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[00:04] <Guest98732> hello can someone tell me how to find my orinoco pcmcia wireless card in slackware
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[00:05] <Guest98732> i tried lspci but it doesnt find it
[00:05] <antiwire> does it show in lspcmcia
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[00:12] <deco> who here thinks  gmail's webmail interface is bloated?
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[00:12] <BP{k}> you?
[00:12] <deco> BP{k}: i don't know
[00:13] <nooper> feels pretty snappy to me
[00:13] <fire|bird> deco: you say that about everything, this is bloated, that is bloated. :P
[00:13] <deco> fire|bird: :D
[00:13] <mancha> google is giving free wifi through 1/15/10 at airports - can't bash that
[00:14] <nooper> mancha: they're just want to sniff your internet some more
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[00:14] <deco> fire|bird: well it is imo too much javascript
[00:14] <mancha> by the time they crack my encryption i'll be dead
[00:14] <MLanden> deco: then IMAP it...:D
[00:14] <BP{k}> fire|bird: perhaps deco is bloated ;)
[00:14] <deco> MLanden: i will :D
[00:15] <deco> BP{k}: .....
[00:15] <deco> ...
[00:15] <fire|bird> BP{k}: I was thinking the same thing. ;)
[00:15] <fire|bird> MLanden: that's what I've done, not due to bloat, just easier access. Google is suppose to be bringing a google wave-esque style to gmail, at some point.
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[00:15] <spook> no, they are adding email support to wave.
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[00:16] <fire|bird> spook: I mean that the look of gmail will mimic the layout wave has.
[00:16] <fire|bird> I don't mean functionality, I mean look, and look alone.
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[00:17] <MLanden> fire|bird: it is easier...'specially thunderbird or claws or even mutt
[00:17] <fire|bird> MLanden: yeah, I use claws here, but TBird 3 is looking great. RC is due this week.
[00:18] <Rat409> spook: google g4l (ghost for linux),think its sourceforge
[00:18] <MLanden> fire|bird: so I've seen
[00:18] <Rat409> or clonezilla
[00:18] <lordkelmain> Speaking of google... has anyone seen a slackware package for chrome on linux?
[00:19] <spook> lordkelmain: its on the pending list on slackbuilds.org
[00:19] <lordkelmain> Ah.
[00:19] <wollw> yay
[00:19] <lordkelmain> Is that for chromium itself or chrome by google?
[00:20] <spook> chromium IS chrome
[00:20] Action: wollw hopes it doesn't require checking out the huge source tree
[00:20] <spook> chrome is the windows program.
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[00:20] <spook> chromium is the opensource code behind it
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[00:23] <deco> thunderbird that's like firefox's bloat for email
[00:23] Action: deco hides
[00:23] Action: fire|bird sends spook after deco, with specific orders to recover, not hurt. :)
[00:23] <eddoj> hi everybody
[00:25] <BP{k}> fire|bird: what's the fun in that ;)
[00:26] <fire|bird> BP{k}: torture ;)
[00:26] <fire|bird> once caught, torture commences.
[00:26] <BP{k}> why delay ;)
[00:26] <fire|bird> BP{k}: to make him think he'll be alright, and nothing will happen. ;)
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[00:28] <iluminator101> Hey, I am having trouble loading jdownloader as a user
[00:28] <iluminator101> it runs fine as root though
[00:28] <eddoj> can anybody recomended to me a site to start with slack, please
[00:29] <fire|bird> eddoj: slackbook.org Also, read the /topic for other sites.
[00:29] <acidtripper> X is not activated for root?
[00:29] <BP{k}> eddoj: slackbook.org and slackbasics.org
[00:29] <acidtripper> couse im trying to configure kernel via xconfig but No protocol specified
[00:29] <acidtripper> qconf: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[00:29] <eddoj> ok
[00:30] <eddoj> thanks
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[00:31] <eddoj> and i can't install opera in slack 13, 64 bits, do i need to do something before?
[00:31] <eddoj> or can you tell me where found info about?
[00:32] <fire|bird> eddoj: Did you get the 64bit version of opera?
[00:32] <BP{k}> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/opera/
[00:32] <fire|bird> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/opera/
[00:32] <fire|bird> dangit BP{k} :P
[00:32] <eddoj> yeah
[00:32] <BP{k}> eddoj: but also read first: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ and http://slackbuilds.org/faq/
[00:32] <eddoj> ah ok
[00:32] <fire|bird> http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64
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[00:34] <lordkelmain> heh, that last link would've saved me a lot of trouble yesterday.
[00:34] <eddoj> yeah i need start reading, thankz
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[00:36] <Guest1901> antiwire: no it doesnt show in lspci
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[00:36] <fire|bird> he said lspcmcia, not lspci
[00:37] <acidtripper> guys i have a doubt, doing make modules_install is not necessary to recompile kernel and that will install new modules i selected on kernel?
[00:37] <acidtripper> without updating kernel file?
[00:37] <antiwire> Guest1901: I did not type lspci
[00:37] <antiwire> Guest1901: Re-read what I typed.
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[00:38] <Guest1901> thankyou
[00:38] <antiwire> for what?
[00:38] <Guest1901> for the tip man i was stressing over that
[00:39] <acidtripper> nobody will answear?
[00:39] <Guest1901> no i couldnt figure it out till i got onto irc
[00:39] <antiwire> acidtripper: you didn't ask a coherent question.
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[00:39] <acidtripper> why?
[00:40] <BP{k}> acidtripper: that's what we would like to know as well.
[00:40] <antiwire> ...
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[00:40] <acidtripper> i tried and module wasn't added, so i deduce i have to recompile kernel and replace it
[00:40] <mancha> orinoco has an atheros chipset no?
[00:40] <mancha> which means you need either ath5k or madwifi to get sugar
[00:41] <acidtripper> what i meant was: when adding some modules to kernel, for example: uvc i have to recompile and reinstall kernel or only doing make modules_install that modules will be added and doing modprobe uvc must load it?
[00:42] <spook> i like how in kde 4.3 the removable devices widget turns into a big tick when its finished removing devices
[00:42] <fire|bird> spook: 4.2.4 did that too.
[00:43] <spook> fire|bird: no, pretty sure it didnt.
[00:43] <fire|bird> spook: Well, it sure did here.
[00:43] <spook> i'd have noticed.
[00:44] <spook> hmm odd
[00:45] <veritos> Do we have a clue what is causing the notifications that the file indexer is suspended, and whether I can make it work without resorting to disabling Strigi?
[00:45] <spook> veritos: doing stuff suspends it.
[00:45] <spook> veritos: configure it to not suspend, iirc
[00:47] <acidtripper> but as i see i have to rebuild it first
[00:47] <spook> i think its fixed in -current
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[00:47] <spook> acidtripper: uvc should already be in stock slackware kernels
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[00:48] <veritos> spook is right. udev autoloads it, even.
[00:48] <spook> :)
[00:48] <spook> i'm usually right.
[00:48] <acidtripper> it isn't :S
[00:48] <fire|bird> except about kde removable devices.
[00:49] Action: fire|bird hides
[00:49] <spook> except when i say i'm not right, and i'm still right then.
[00:49] <acidtripper> i built my kernel with pat config
[00:49] <acidtripper> and it wasn't i have just added manually
[00:49] <fire|bird> spook: well yeah, you're right about not being right.
[00:49] <spook> fire|bird: therefore, i'm right.
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[00:49] <fire|bird> yup
[00:49] <acidtripper> someone there using webcam?
[00:49] <acidtripper> any recommended front end?
[00:50] <spook> for what.
[00:50] <veritos> 1. I am always right. 2. I can always change my mind. Got that? I'm always right, even when I *was* wrong.
[00:50] <spook> lot of different uses for a webcam.
[00:50] <fire|bird> spook: yeah, he just wants to see what he looks like on camera.
[00:50] <redtricycle> acidtripper: you mean a program that uses the webcam?  Try skype
[00:50] <spook> acidtripper: wxcam
[00:50] <BP{k}> kopete.
[00:50] <deco> bloat
[00:51] <deco> that's all bloat
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[00:51] <spook> wxcam is not bloat.
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[00:51] <deco> k
[00:51] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux
[00:51] <fire|bird> deco prefers web cam software that's cli based and shows him in ascii
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[00:52] <deco> fire|bird: you bet :)
[00:52] <fire|bird> so as to avoid bloat
[00:52] <MLanden> lol.....caca...:P
[00:52] <deco> lol
[00:52] <deco> for extracting images from a camera , gtkam is great
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[00:52] <deco> very simple
[00:53] <fire|bird> that's why he uses wget to browse, he downloads it all, then opens the files in vim to view them. see, no bloat there.
[00:53] <Rat409>  my kernel is slack stock,uvcvideo is in lsmod
[00:53] <deco> fire|bird: you can't use wget to browse , i have to look before i know what to download and i use lynx
[00:53] <deco> for that
[00:53] <fire|bird> deco: that's horrible.
[00:54] <deco> fire|bird: i'm just kidding!!!!
[00:54] <BP{k}> deco: lynx is bloat.
[00:54] <deco> i have to use ff T_T
[00:54] <redtricycle> Lynx?
[00:54] <redtricycle> I just telnet to websites
[00:54] <fire|bird> redtricycle: cli browser
[00:54] <redtricycle> and use GET
[00:54] <redtricycle> Port 80!
[00:54] <fire|bird> deco: why do you HAVE to, you complain it's bloat.
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[00:54] <deco> fire|bird: web development
[00:54] <mancha> telnet is bloat
[00:54] <deco> gotta check em all
[00:55] <thumbs> I use cout from C++ to request the content
[00:55] <deco> X is bloat
[00:56] <deco> god i had to install super bloated openoffice
[00:57] <deco> feel dirty now
[00:57] <veritos> Please tell me that you didn't compile it from source.
[00:57] <deco> veritos: why would i ?
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[00:57] <veritos> deco, [[ -e a package ]]
[00:57] <veritos> ! -e*
[00:58] <deco> ...
[00:58] <veritos> Well, I suppose that they make it much easier to find a tarball to dump in /opt than the actual sources, anyway
[00:58] <deco> o_O
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[00:59] <BP{k}> veritos: OOo buildscript at SBo. ;)
[00:59] <deco> i always get ronnies package from his site
[01:00] <veritos> BP{k}, dear jesus, why would I do that?
[01:00] <deco> veritos: binary
[01:00] <veritos> oh
[01:00] <veritos> that's much better.
[01:00] <Rat409> yup easy is good deco ++ :)
[01:00] <fire|bird> deco: ronnies?
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[01:01] <Rat409> rworkman's repo fire|bird
[01:01] <deco> fire|bird: oopes robbys lol
[01:01] <fire|bird> Rat409: yeah, I know that, but it's Robby, not Ronnie
[01:01] <fire|bird> ;)
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[01:01] <Rat409> oh duh,missed it
[01:01] <fire|bird> lol
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[01:01] <g4tt0> hi*
[01:02] <deco> Rat409: indeed
[01:02] <fire|bird> hi g4tt0
[01:02] <deco> gatto the cat
[01:02] <deco> g4tt0: why do you change nicks ?
[01:02] <deco> just curious
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[01:08] <MLanden> deco: maybe to cut down on the bloat...no one likes a bloated cat (*)..:P
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[01:12] <rworkman> Speaking of my packages, I just pushed a TeXLive package for i486 (x86_64 will arrive by the end of the week): http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/ChangeLog.rss
[01:12] <rworkman> (that's TeXLive 2009, btw)
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[01:14] <deco> MLanden: :P
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[01:14] <deco> rworkman: thanks!
[01:14] <deco> :)
[01:14] <rworkman> :)
[01:15] <veritos> :)
[01:15] <eddoj> ok i have another problem installing opera, once installed in the console appears "cannot execute binary file"
[01:16] <eddoj> can you help me with this?
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[01:16] <veritos> eddoj, run `which $(ldd opera) | grep 'not found'`
[01:16] <veritos> er, `file $(ldd opera)`
[01:16] <veritos> you might have the wrong architecture
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[01:16] <rworkman> s/might/
[01:16] <rworkman>  /
[01:16] <eddoj> but i put arch 64 bits
[01:17] <rworkman> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/opera/
[01:17] <rworkman> http://slackbuilds.org/howto/
[01:18] <eddoj> i think that i follow all these steps
[01:18] <eddoj> in both sites
[01:18] <rworkman> http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64
[01:18] <eddoj> that too
[01:18] <eddoj> :(
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[01:20] <rworkman> eddoj: file /usr/lib64/opera/opera   <-- show me output from that
[01:20] <eddoj> ok wait
[01:21] <rworkman> BP{k}: nice fonts. ;-)
[01:22] <eddoj> <rworkman> ok no such file or directory
[01:22] <veritos> well that is interesting
[01:22] <eddoj> i need to read more
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[01:24] <siimo> does xine-lib has matroska disable on slack?
[01:26] <nnyby> i'm getting an 'rsync usage error (code 1)' when using alienBob's mirror script. here's how it fails: http://pastebin.com/m4adb51b3
[01:26] <nnyby> this is a fresh slack13 install btw
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[01:28] <rworkman> http://www.threadless.com/product/2088/I_Be_Au_Sm  <-- new addition to my tee shirt collection in about a week :)
[01:28] <rworkman> See the "Zoom" view to get the full effect
[01:29] <fire|bird> nice!
[01:30] <fire|bird> I Be Au Sm
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[01:31] <rworkman> If he dies, barium.
[01:32] <acidtripper> rworkman, are you using compat32?
[01:32] <rworkman> acidtripper: nope
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[01:32] <rworkman> No need for it here.  The only thing that troubled me early on was Adobe Reader.  I found evince to be more than capable as a replacement.
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[01:33] <fire|bird> I'd use evince, but I can never get it to print right, always cuts off the bottom of the page.
[01:34] <rworkman> Hrm, I don't print a lot of pdfs - my main need is for presentations.  The others don't do fullscreen presentation mode right
[01:34] <rworkman> (I use LaTeX beamer and then pdflatex to make my presentations)
[01:35] <fire|bird> I print quite a few pdfs and adobe is the only one that doesn't cut the page off, I've tried page size settings, margins, etc. all with the same result.
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[01:36] <rworkman> ick
[01:36] <deco> fire|bird: have you tried epdfview ?
[01:37] <fire|bird> deco: yup
[01:37] <deco> fire|bird: doesn't print nicely ?
[01:37] <fire|bird> rworkman: yeah, odd issue that I never have quite figured out.
[01:37] <fire|bird> deco: no
[01:37] <deco> hmmm
[01:37] <fire|bird> deco: it's a nice pdf viewer, but for printing, it won't work.
[01:37] <fire|bird> nor will okular
[01:37] <deco> oh
[01:37] <deco> i think opera is not as bloated as firefox
[01:38] <deco> much faster
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[01:38] <fire|bird> deco: It takes a fair share of ram up though.
[01:38] <deco> hmmmm
[01:38] <fire|bird> deco: however, the latest snapshot has resolved the issue with qt 4.5.3 and 100% cpu usage.
[01:38] <eddoj> anybody knows if a processor i686 is 64-bits in slackware 13?
[01:38] <BP{k}> eddoj: no.
[01:39] <fire|bird> i686 != 64bit
[01:39] <eddoj> oh
[01:39] <eddoj> f**k
[01:39] <deco> lol
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[01:40] <fire|bird> deco: More recently, I've noticed opera using more ram than Firefox, I think they've gotten worse, but also have become faster.
[01:40] <mancha> i686 is p2 or summit
[01:40] <eddoj> is 32-bits?
[01:40] <BP{k}> eddoj: yes
[01:40] <eddoj> mmm i have problems
[01:40] <fire|bird> lol
[01:40] <deco> fire|bird: yeah they life a fast life
[01:40] <eddoj> thank you
[01:40] <deco> live*
[01:40] <fire|bird> deco: indeed.
[01:40] <mancha> or p-pro. forgets
[01:40] <fire|bird> deco: If only they would go open source. :o
[01:40] <BP{k}> eddoj: did you install 32bits or 64bits?
[01:41] <deco> fire|bird: yeah it would be so awesome
[01:41] <fire|bird> deco: agreed
[01:41] <fire|bird> probably will never happen though.
[01:41] <deco> fire|bird: i would switch :P
[01:41] <eddoj> BP{k}: 64-bits
[01:41] <fire|bird> deco: I have firefox working quite well with a few tweaks, etc. I've been using SeaMonkey 2.0 though since it's release.
[01:41] <deco> yeah
[01:41] <BP{k}> eddoj: uhm .. interesting ...
[01:42] <fire|bird> wouldn't the installer have through some red flags somewhere if installing 64bit on a 32bit system?
[01:42] <veritos> oh, people *do* use seamonkey!
[01:42] <BP{k}> eddoj: as far as I know the kernel on the installed barfs if you try to boot a 64bit kernel on a 32bit system .. ie .. it won't wven work
[01:42] <veritos> BP{k}, in general, things should work that way
[01:42] <fire|bird> veritos: yep, I do anyway, since 2.0. It's not quite as ugly anymore, the theme has changed and a lot of work has been done.
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[01:43] <veritos> Not sure about Slack in particular, but that's how Debian's first 64-bit attempt worked
[01:43] <eddoj> then i need install i386 software?
[01:43] <fire|bird> eddoj: you need to install 32bit slackware
[01:43] <BP{k}> eddoj: ls -lart /var/log/packages/aalib_base*
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[01:43] <mancha> not to be confused with ls -fart /var/log/gas
[01:43] Action: fire|bird almost read that as ls -lard :/
[01:44] <fire|bird> mancha: Is it safe to rm -rg /var/log/gas? or will all heck break loose. :P
[01:44] <fire|bird> err, rm -rf
[01:44] <fire|bird> :P
[01:44] <BP{k}> lart ... (l)user attitude recorrection tool
[01:45] <mancha> take cover first
[01:45] <fire|bird> BP{k}: deco needs that.
[01:45] <fire|bird> mancha: maybe slackpkg install gas-be-gone ? ;)
[01:45] <deco> i need many things...
[01:45] <veritos> BP{k}, are you a sysadmin by day?
[01:45] <mancha> slackpkg install bean-oh
[01:45] <fire|bird> haha
[01:46] <BP{k}> veritos: what makes you think that. ;)
[01:46] <veritos> oh, nothing... ;)
[01:47] <Axius> how to change shell?
[01:47] <mancha> chsh
[01:48] <BP{k}> eddoj: well?
[01:48] <Axius> mancha: thanks
[01:48] <mancha> welcome
[01:48] <eddoj> mmm
[01:49] <Axius> How to see what shell I have installed?
[01:49] <mancha> cat /etc/shells
[01:49] <mancha> er ls even
[01:50] <eddoj> BP{k}: i could not do that (sorry for my english)
[01:50] <BP{k}> eddoj: why not?
[01:50] <BP{k}> Axius: echo $SHELL  .. grep $USER /etc/passwd | awk -F: '{ print $NF }'
[01:50] <Axius> ok
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[01:51] <mancha> oh, i thought you wanted your possible shells to chsh to, thats /etc/shells
[01:51] <eddoj> it says that ls can't access
[01:52] <Axius> thanks
[01:52] <BP{k}> ....
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[01:53] <BP{k}> eddoj: are there any files in /var/log/packages/?
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[01:54] <eddoj> yeah there are
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[01:55] <mancha> i think bpk might have meant aaa_base... ?
[01:55] <eddoj> BP{k}: yeah there are files but not opera
[01:56] <eddoj> BP{k}: what does it mean?
[01:56] <mancha> never mind, we're talking aa_lib*; me sulks
[01:56] <Axius> I try to download a file to /usr/src and I get this msg:Cannot write to `download_script.php?src_id=9701' (Permission denied)
[01:57] <Rat409> eddoj: look in /tmp for slackbuild pkgs
[01:57] <mancha> Axius, non-root doesn't have write privs on /usr/src
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[01:58] <Axius> mancha: What should I do?
[01:58] <mancha> download it to ~ then have root mv it over
[01:59] <BP{k}> eddoj: wait .. my bad actually .. mancha was right .. let's try this again
[01:59] <Axius> mancha: ok, thank.
[01:59] <eddoj> BP{k}: yes there is a file opera-10.01-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz
[01:59] <BP{k}> eddoj: output of "ls -l /var/log/packages/aaa_base*" please
[02:00] <eddoj>  BP{k}: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2163 2009-11-08 15:36 /var/log/packages/aaa_base-13.0-i486-2
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[02:00] <BP{k}> eddoj: heh. that's 32bit salckware you have installed there .. not 64bit
[02:00] <cryptic0> any LaTeX enthusiasts?
[02:00] <mancha> i luff latex
[02:00] <BP{k}> cryptic0: deco but only on weekends when he getrs to wear the gimpsuit ;)
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[02:01] <eddoj> uhm
[02:01] <cryptic0> BP{k}: thanks. I will ask away.
[02:01] <BP{k}> eddoj: yes?
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[02:01] <cryptic0> what graphicx driver do I need in order to use a EPS file using \includegraphics{}?
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[02:02] <eddoj> BP{k}: so what i need to do now?
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[02:02] <mancha> thats postscript, it'll just include it
[02:03] <BP{k}> eddoj: well 1) you have a 32bits processor 2) you have slackware-13.0 installed (which is 32bits). So all you need to do is removepkg(8) the 64bit opera .. and build a 32bits opera and install it.
[02:03] <eddoj> BP{k}: and what about my win system, it works like a 64 bits?
[02:03] <MLanden> cryptic0: talkin' 'bout LaTex...rworkman just announced TexLive 2009 for slackware
[02:04] <cryptic0> mancha, \usepackage[]{graphicx}  waht goes in the []
[02:04] <mancha> just put "\usepackage{graphicx}
[02:04] <mancha> "\usepackage{graphicx}" towards the top
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[02:05] <cryptic0> mancha: if I dont specify a driver for graphicx, it will not recognize the eps file
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[02:05] <eddoj> BP{k}: i have win7 too and it works like a 64 bits
[02:05] <BP{k}> eddoj: what do you mean "it works like a 64bits".
[02:05] <cryptic0> I have tried \usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx} but that only uses png file, eps is ignored. if I delete png file, it will not find eps to include
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[02:05] <BP{k}> eddoj: you can't run 64bits software on a 32bits CPU .. end of bloody story.
[02:06] <mako-dono> ...
[02:06] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama
[02:06] <eddoj> yeah the software installed like iexplorer is 64 bits edition
[02:06] <mancha> ??
[02:06] <eddoj> and more programs too
[02:06] <deco> just stop
[02:06] <deco> stop
[02:07] <mancha> i  just do \usepackage{graphicx}
[02:07] <cryptic0> deco: any ideas?
[02:07] <BP{k}> eddoj: well let's approach this logically shall we?
[02:08] <deco> cryptic0: no idea ...
[02:08] <cryptic0> hmmmm ok. thanks anyways
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[02:08] <BP{k}> eddoj: considering that you can't even deduct what kind of process is 32 or 64bits, we shall take any comments about your knowledge in forementioned area, wether it pertains to hardware or software, with an impersial arseload of salt, okay?
[02:09] <eddoj> ok
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[02:15] <Axius> Does oneone use perl-support.vim?
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[02:23] <Rat409>  /cl
[02:23] <fire|bird> fail
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[02:23] <MLanden> lol
[02:23] <init[1]> fire|bird: yo !
[02:23] <Rat409> i know,i knew it'd be fire|bird  too :(
[02:23] <fire|bird> hey init[1]
[02:23] <fire|bird> haha
[02:23] Nick change: hy -> silver
[02:23] <Rat409> :P
[02:24] <fire|bird> Rat409: If at first you don't succeed, fire|bird will catch your failure? :P
[02:24] <Rat409> indeed!
[02:25] <Rat409> icecat 3.5.5 is out btw
[02:25] <init[1]> Rat409: see fire|bird's epic fail http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1710
[02:25] <fire|bird> cool
[02:25] <init[1]> :D
[02:25] <fire|bird> init[1]: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo
[02:25] <init[1]> lol
[02:25] <MLanden> lol
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[02:25] <fire|bird> init[1]: you insensitive clod. :(
[02:26] <init[1]> :D
[02:26] <fire|bird> :P
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[02:27] <MLanden> thanks,Rat409....on the update..:D
[02:27] <Rat409> init[1]: thanks,bookmarked :)
[02:27] <fire|bird> oh no
[02:27] <init[1]> Rat409: yw :)
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[02:27] <fire|bird> bookmarked, that can't be good for me. :9
[02:27] <fire|bird> :(
[02:28] <jeev> init[1], Rat409, what was funnier is the password that was removed.. "i love extra hairy cock + smell"
[02:28] <init[1]> oh!
[02:28] <init[1]> o_O
[02:28] <init[1]> thats news!
[02:28] <jeev> scary
[02:28] <fire|bird> jeev: no, that was init[1]'s, get it right.
[02:29] <init[1]> wtf my password is not that ,my password is password :)
[02:29] <fire|bird> init[1]: now that makes sense.
[02:29] <init[1]> :D
[02:30] <veritos> mine is hunter2 ;)
[02:30] <fire|bird> veritos: thanks, good to know. :)
[02:31] <veritos> fire|bird, ref to http://www.bash.org/?244321
[02:31] <fire|bird> hahahaha
[02:32] <veritos> and change the combination on my luggage!
[02:32] <init[1]> lol
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[02:35] <TwinReverb> anyone know what the preferred way to backup/restore ext4 filesystems is?
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[02:57] <Rat409> sorry, not me. night guys,ya'll be well!
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[03:01] <The-Croupier> greetings
[03:01] <slava_dp> mornin
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[03:13] <The-Croupier> slava_dp: how are you today?
[03:14] <slava_dp> The-Croupier, tired. gotta work, lots of stuff to do.
[03:14] <The-Croupier> join the club...
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[03:16] <MLanden> take care,folks...talk to y'all later..:D
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[04:06] <mrselfpwn> anyone have success with mumble in slackware 13?
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[04:15] <Camarade_Tux> morning :)
[04:15] <Zordrak> morn
[04:15] <frullet> morning
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[04:17] <The_Seeker> morning all
[04:18] <The_Seeker> quite happy with myself - compiled my first kernel last night :)
[04:18] <The_Seeker> since I've switched to Slackware, I've gained the desire to tinker like I never did with Debian
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[04:20] <The_Seeker> and if he's around, thanks heaps to alienBOB for the great tutorial
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[04:24] <Zordrak> awffs.. thanks google.. thats *really* what we needed.. another fscking programming language
[04:24] <alienBOB> Good to hear that it helped you The_Seeker
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[04:27] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: you dont have to learn it..do you? ;)
[04:28] <Camarade_Tux> and what's wrong with it? plus I hope we don't start trying to make new things
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[04:38] <lordkelmain> The_Seeker, first kernel in slackware or first ever?
[04:41] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: first ever believe it or not
[04:41] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: and I've been using Linux since 2004
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[04:41] <lordkelmain> Well, congrats on getting a bootable system =)
[04:41] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: thanks :)
[04:42] <The_Seeker> was a lot easier than I thought it would be
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[04:42] <lordkelmain> Yeah, I was quite surprised my first time too.
[04:42] <lordkelmain> The_Seeker, by debian did you mean ubuntu or debian proper?
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[04:42] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: well, Libranet to start with, then Debian proper
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[04:43] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: Kanotix and sidux for a while too
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[04:43] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: never could get used to Ubuntu - felt as if I was having my hand held
[04:43] <lordkelmain> Yeah....
[04:44] <lordkelmain> I find it quite glitchy, but maybe that's just me.
[04:44] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: the main attraction for me using Linux was to learn and tinker
[04:44] <lordkelmain> I see. I wanted to use slackware to get more familiar with the BSD's.
[04:44] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: me too - I put Ubuntu on my stepson's computer but it shit itself eventually
[04:45] <lordkelmain> The_Seeker, hahah, yeah, I've seen that happen myself.
[04:45] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: it's now running sidux, although I can see Slackware going on there soon
[04:45] <lordkelmain> Nice. I will miss synaptic, though.
[04:46] <mako-sama> I got used to ubuntu quickly.  and I like it as much as I hate it
[04:46] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: I never warmed to the GUI package managers, I liked apt too much
[04:47] <The_Seeker> lordkelmain: apt makes things very simple - hence my never having compiled a kernel till I started using Slack
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[04:48] <The_Seeker> brb
[04:48] <lordkelmain> The_Seeker, see you.
[04:52] <Ephedrax> Yop all.
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[05:00] <lordkelmain> Is it just me or is the tar.gz download of Flash missing the installer? http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[05:00] <lordkelmain> Re: instructions on the site: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/#section-3
[05:03] <frullet> lordkelmain: Use the slackbuild, its available on SBo
[05:04] <lordkelmain> frullet, it's the plugin that I'd need, right?
[05:04] <jescis> what is the way to mark away silently? /nick <new nick> or /away?
[05:05] <frullet> lordkelmain: Yep
[05:05] <lordkelmain> jescis, the latter I think.
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[05:16] <cteg> i'm looking for an app but cant remember the name. maybe someone can help me. basically its an ascii panel, without icons and systray and all that
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[05:29] <lordkelmain> frullet, it seems like not looking at SBo before installing something is always a terrible idea =)
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[05:30] <slava_dp> duplicate work sucks
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[05:37] <lordkelmain> slava_dp, too true.
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[05:43] <lordkelmain> frullet, flash through SBo certainly works better than what I saw in ubuntu. Impressive.
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[05:46] <slava_dp> lordkelmain, how's ubuntu's flash different?
[05:47] <lordkelmain> slava_dp, what I had installed on there was remarkably buggy.
[05:48] <lordkelmain> Flash objects would often stop responding to mouse prods... usually the keyboard could still control them though.
[05:48] <slava_dp> hmm. it's a binary blob. it can't be any different :-)
[05:50] <lordkelmain> slava_dp, that is what surprises me.
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[05:50] <slava_dp> it's the slack spirit that fixes the flash player on slackware. i can feel it.
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[05:51] <lordkelmain> heh, perhaps spending a lot more time getting things to work makes one more appreciative.
[05:52] <lordkelmain> This lists a few of the things I ran into: http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/fix_flash_problems_on_ubuntu/
[05:53] <lordkelmain> Of course now I get to see ads all over again.
[05:53] <lordkelmain> I'm out.
[05:54] <slava_dp> adblock plus will save you.
[05:54] <wollw> or noscript
[05:54] <slava_dp> flashblock too, used to use it for some time.
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[06:00] <Camarade_Tux> ubuntu has a terrible thing: PPA, package repositories made by random guys and which are external to ubuntu
[06:00] <Camarade_Tux> like a "zomg-make-my-computer-boot-fast ppa"
[06:00] <Camarade_Tux> yes, that exists, and I certainly don't trust that...
[06:01] <lordkelmain> slava_dp, wollw, I typically use this: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt
[06:01] <lordkelmain> Not the best solution, but it works across all browsers and platforms.
[06:01] <Camarade_Tux> lordkelmain: another thing to block flash is "tools -> add-ons -> plugins", select flash, click disable, and reenable when you need it (which really doesn't happen often)
[06:01] <wollw> not sure if that's  the same hosts file i use
[06:01] <Camarade_Tux> takes a page refresh to take effect btw
[06:01] Action: wollw checks
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[06:02] <Camarade_Tux> I think privoxy is available on windows too
[06:02] <lordkelmain> Camarade_Tux, does that not require the browser to be restarted?
[06:02] <wollw> nope, but my hosts is out of date
[06:03] <Camarade_Tux> lordkelmain: no, only the page to be refreshed/reloaded, I use that all the time
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[06:03] <lordkelmain> wollw, that one's one of the few that updates semi-regularly.
[06:03] <Camarade_Tux> disabling flash that way disables it in the whole browser at once, that's pretty funny to see your cpu usage drop sometimes ;p
[06:03] <lordkelmain> Previously I used everythingisnt.com's... this is a lot bigger (and thus slower).
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[06:04] <wollw> the one i was using was from someonethatcares.org or something like that
[06:04] <slava_dp> just use ff+abp.
[06:04] <wollw> http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
[06:04] <Camarade_Tux> hosts in such files are scanned linearly, which is only fit for smaller files
[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> with a good system, for 10000 entries, you could have a 100x speedup
[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> (yes, really)
[06:05] <wollw> can't say i noticed any difference
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[06:07] <lordkelmain> slava_dp, I tend to avoid ff when possible... slackware's on my work laptop, and I'm ashamed to say it, there's only 1 GB of RAM on this one.
[06:07] <Camarade_Tux> 1GB is already nice :)
[06:07] <slava_dp> lordkelmain, been using ff with 1 gig of ram on my laptop for a year. works great.
[06:07] <Camarade_Tux> what do you use instead?
[06:07] <mako-sama> ashamed? I have 512
[06:08] <lordkelmain> I use opera in linux and chrome or opera in windows.
[06:08] <Camarade_Tux> ok, thanks :
[06:08] <Camarade_Tux> :)
[06:10] <lordkelmain> mako-sama, I'm an admin, which would theoretically mean I would have access to better equipment =/
[06:10] <lordkelmain> mako-sama, what desktop environment are you running?
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[06:10] <Camarade_Tux> DE? what's that? :D
[06:11] <mako-sama> oh.. so am I.. and I do have access to better equipment, I just like this old laptop
[06:12] <mako-sama> lordkelmain: usually I use GNUStep/Windowmaker. I use KDE from time to time as well
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[06:12] <ananke> Camarade_Tux: something the rest of the civilised world uses :)
[06:13] <winter> Camarade_Tux: that's DE
[06:13] <lordkelmain> Camarade_Tux, no use talking about memory hogging browsers without seeing what DE's are in use.
[06:13] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: oh, I see :P
[06:13] <Camarade_Tux> lordkelmain: yeah, was referring to my horrible desktop :P
[06:13] <lordkelmain> Btw anyone tried amazon's video on demand?
[06:13] <Camarade_Tux> I show it to children to scare them :)
[06:13] <mako-sama> lordkelmain: firefox works nicely when I'm using KDE
[06:13] <Camarade_Tux> (and ubuntu users too :) )
[06:13] <mako-sama> I use ffox 3.7alpha
[06:14] <Camarade_Tux> lordkelmain: http://omploader.org/vMjZuNA :)
[06:14] <mako-sama> nice and stable.  albeit a little bit sluggish when compared to 3.5 nightly builds where I was using before
[06:14] <winter> Camarade_Tux: twm?
[06:14] <Camarade_Tux> winter: openbox
[06:15] <Camarade_Tux> with borderless windows
[06:15] Action: winter gnome
[06:15] Action: Camarade_Tux steps back
[06:15] <winter> gnome = profit
[06:15] <Camarade_Tux> vade retro satanas!
[06:15] <lordkelmain> Camarade_Tux, that looks pretty slick.
[06:15] <winter> ]:>
[06:15] <mako-sama> Camarade_Tux: I'd get a second monitor if I were you
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> lordkelmain: simple, nothing to get in my way and saves screen space
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: you're buying me a double-screen laptop? \o/
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux>  ;-)
[06:16] <mako-sama> oh.. you have that many xterms open on a laptop?
[06:16] <ananke> yep. you know, those extra 3 pixels for each window is such a life saver :)
[06:16] <mako-sama> that looks like hell
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: ^^
[06:17] <mako-sama> I work at least 1m away from my monitos
[06:17] <mako-sama> I have two, and I want two more :P
[06:17] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: bars/panels (>50px), removed borders (saved 3*10px)
[06:17] <Camarade_Tux> that's already more than 80px, 10% of my screen vertical resolution...
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[06:18] <mako-sama> work
[06:18] <mako-sama> I value my eyes
[06:18] <ananke> the way i take care of it: better resolution
[06:18] <mako-sama> $180 for a 22" monitor is cheap
[06:18] <winter> mako-sama: how much?
[06:18] <mako-sama> relatively
[06:19] <ananke> mako-sama: yep. hell, you could get 24" wide screen for almost that much
[06:19] Action: ananke was browsing dell outlet's refurbs
[06:19] <mako-sama> yeah.. but that was the price when I got my dualscreen setup two years ago
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> I can't get a 24" monitor in the train -_-
[06:20] <mako-sama> Camarade_Tux: can you work comfortably with that desktop?
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: sure
[06:20] <tmkd> hello, i need to link liblavjpeg.so.0 to my compilation, how can i do it? by - llavjpeg ?
[06:20] <lordkelmain> If you're in the US, dell has some 24" for sale around US $180.
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: I am, right now
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[06:21] <mako-sama> you're crazy
[06:21] <Camarade_Tux> tmkd: yes
[06:21] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: ^^
[06:21] <mako-sama> just looking at that desktop makes me feel dizzy
[06:21] <lordkelmain> http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/26211/Dell-S2409W-24-1080p-Wide-Screen-LCD-Monitor-179-or-174
[06:21] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: ^^
[06:21] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: I told you, I use that to scare children :P
[06:21] <tmkd> Camarade_Tux, for example when in usr/lib is libsomthing i will do -lsomthing ?
[06:21] <ananke> Camarade_Tux: not to mention, your blacks are not black
[06:21] <mako-sama> that too
[06:22] <Camarade_Tux> tmkd: to link against libsomething.a, you use -lsomething
[06:22] <ananke> washed out pastels on washed out black, that's just so hard on the eyes
[06:22] <mako-sama> and... wtf.. irssi's window is larger than your code's window?
[06:22] <Camarade_Tux> tmkd: tmkd as long as it's in one of the default search folder (/usr/lib*, /usr/local/lib*) or one given with -Lfolder
[06:22] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: you mean the terms? they're not black *at* *all*
[06:23] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: that hurts far too much
[06:23] <Camarade_Tux> I mean, that hurts the eyes
[06:23] <lordkelmain> Sleep time. Nice to make your acquaintance everyone.
[06:23] <lordkelmain> Morning.
[06:23] <mako-sama> ahh.. imagine four 22" screens lined up in portrait position
[06:23] <mako-sama> heaven
[06:23] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: that's desk1, I usually have one term for alsamixer, one for mplayer (playing music) and one for irssi, I usually code on desk3 and desk4
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[06:24] <tmkd> yes but i try to rebuild some project , and have a problem with decode_jpeg_raw which is in  liblavjpeg
[06:24] <ananke> Camarade_Tux: i guess our eyes work differently
[06:24] <mako-sama> but seriously.. get a desktop pc and few monitors if you can afford them
[06:24] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: ^^
[06:24] <tmkd> Camarade_Tux, i found it on google
[06:24] <mako-sama> your eyes will be thankful
[06:25] <ananke> and if you can, get ones with LED backlight
[06:25] <mako-sama> LED is expensive
[06:25] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: hahah, it's ok, and my have have no problem with that, also, I just got a desktop pc but it's going to stay headless
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[06:25] <jg71> but it's worth it from what i read
[06:26] <Camarade_Tux> tmkd: hmmmm, are you sure the source was reliable? and what problem do you have?
[06:26] <mako-sama> jg71: how so?
[06:26] <ananke> i was looking at 24" wide screen refurbs from dell for ~$220
[06:26] <mako-sama> jg71: LED lasts longer.  that's the only thing I can think of
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[06:26] <jg71> lifespan of LED is large
[06:26] <ananke> LED makes it for a much brighter image
[06:26] <mako-sama> not really
[06:26] <ananke> yes, really
[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> I don't want bright screens, they hurt the eyes ><
[06:27] <mako-sama> well.. yes if you work in sunlight
[06:27] <ananke> take two of the same monitors, one with lcd and one with led backlight. put them next to each other
[06:27] <jg71> ok, i need to go to the shop anyway .... care to share some links so i can check real soon? :)
[06:27] <ananke> jg71: links for what?
[06:27] <mako-sama> otherwise, CFL-lit screens are bright enough
[06:27] <jg71> Camarade_Tux, what are you, a vampire?
[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> jg71: ^^
[06:28] <ananke> now, i give you that, on a laptop it makes more sense
[06:28] <jg71> ananke, of led/ordinary lit screens.
[06:28] <Camarade_Tux> jg71: high brightness and high contrast are definitely what is hardest on my eyes
[06:29] <mako-sama> ananke: my screens' brightness is set at 10/100
[06:29] <ananke> jg71: i tend to buy dell, mostly because of the price for decent quality, and considering i get discounts in certain dell sections
[06:29] <mako-sama> and it's bright enough
[06:29] <mako-sama> it's too bright at 100. not comfortable
[06:29] <jg71> 100 is for blind people ;)
[06:30] <ananke> jg71: i usually suggest checking dell's outlet [they sell refurbs], then home/small business sections, and if you have access: educational
[06:30] <mako-sama> so.. LED's excess of brightness is useless :P
[06:30] <jg71> ah k. will check eventually
[06:30] <ananke> jg71: outlet.dell.com is the link. i just bought a laptop from there [with led backlight]
[06:31] <mako-sama> how much?
[06:31] <jg71> mako-sama, sunbathers might need it ;)
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[06:32] <ananke> $712, including taxes and s&h. it's a studio15 laptop, with 1920xsomething resolution, intel core2duo 2.1ghz, 4gb ram, 250gb 7.2k rpm disk with free-fall sensor, bluetooth, a/b/g/n, etc
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[06:32] <jg71> nice
[06:32] <ananke> s&h was free
[06:32] <mako-sama> jg71: sunbathers should get transflective screens
[06:33] <mako-sama> ananke: that's a very good deal
[06:33] <jg71> i guess we will see nerd tan-lines soon
[06:33] <ananke> mako-sama: yep
[06:33] <mako-sama> refurb?
[06:34] <ananke> yep. what made it cheaper was also the 'scratch & dent' condition. a tiny scratch on the cover, barely noticable
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[06:34] <sfergut> hi i got a problem installing slackware  from dvd or usb
[06:34] <mako-sama> ah... still a good deal
[06:35] <ananke> http://pastebin.com/d723af15a
[06:35] <mako-sama> sfergut: what is the problem?
[06:35] <sfergut> when i go at select Target partitions and choose the ext4 then click on Format
[06:35] <sfergut> it does not format the partition
[06:35] <sfergut> then if i continue to installt
[06:35] <ananke> they have three resolutions for those laptops: 720p, 900p, and 1080p. [yeah, that's how they specify them]. this one happened to be 1080p
[06:35] <sfergut> it install everything in RAM
[06:36] <sfergut> so i see the installer does not mount the / partition and it does not format the hard disk  as ext4 how i told it
[06:36] <sfergut> then after the RAM is full i got an killed error
[06:37] <sfergut> i should mention that i have other partitions on this disk  .. but this should not matter
[06:37] <sfergut> is nothing in dmesg or messages
[06:38] <jg71> what does that mean <sfergut> it install everything in RAM
[06:38] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: they only have 16:9 resolutions?
[06:38] <mako-sama> ananke: dell studio has a nice design.  but sometimes the 'touch' keys don't function as expected
[06:38] <sfergut> jg71, it means that the installer is starting but everything is installed in /mnt
[06:38] <mako-sama> sfergut: are you sure you're selecting the correct partition?
[06:38] <Camarade_Tux> sfergut: in ram
[06:38] <ananke> Camarade_Tux: yep, since that's the aspect ratio for those laptops [and large number of laptops these days are wide screens]
[06:38] <sfergut> if /mnt is not mounted since i booted with the CD it writes practically in the memory
[06:39] <sfergut> mako-sama, yes positive
[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> we agree on that
[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> sfergut: what error do you get when formatting the partition?
[06:39] <ananke> mako-sama: it's for a family member, he wanted studio15, so that's what i got him :)
[06:39] <sfergut> installer tels after that that the partition is  IN USE
[06:39] <sfergut> no error is nothing in logs
[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: I meant, they do 16:9, not 16:10? (I know 4:3 is very rate)
[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> *rare
[06:40] <Camarade_Tux> sfergut: I already had that actually, hmmmm
[06:40] <Camarade_Tux> sfergut: how many times have you tried? have you rebooted meanwhile?
[06:40] <ananke> Camarade_Tux: that i don't know, i honestly never bother figuring out whether it's 16:9 or 16:10
[06:40] <mako-sama> I've never had such a problem
[06:40] <sfergut> Camarade_Tux,  yes tried 6 times already then using the usb installer too
[06:41] <sfergut> nothing worked
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[06:42] <sfergut> it does not mount the /  partition to format
[06:42] <jg71> sfergut, plan b? use another machine to install slack on that drive your are using in the current one
[06:42] <Camarade_Tux> sfergut: tried formatting by yourself?
[06:42] <sfergut> it is using /mnt but without any mount
[06:42] <jg71> that sounds -very- strange sfergut
[06:42] <sfergut> jg71, i used the slacwkare64 cd  on my laptop and worked fine
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[06:43] <jg71> not what i meant, but good to know :)
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[06:43] <Camarade_Tux> sfergut: have you tried to format the partition by yourself and skip the formatting step in "setup"?
[06:43] <sfergut> Camarade_Tux, yes that partition is already ext4
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[06:44] <sfergut> yes i tried too the Skip  Format  options is the same
[06:45] <sfergut> maybe it needs the partition to not be formatted at all
[06:45] <sfergut> that i did not tried
[06:46] <Camarade_Tux> it _should_ work though
[06:46] <sfergut> the partition was formatted ext4 from another OS  --- OpenSUSE
[06:46] <sfergut> i know it should .. but because i dont have nothing in logs dont know why is that
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[06:47] <sfergut> there are some logs from the setup installer beside /tmp/Set* files ?
[06:48] <slava_dp> sfergut, the output of helper programs is on tty3 iirc.
[06:48] <mrselfpwn> sfergut: is the partition table of non-standard (other than dos) type?
[06:48] <slava_dp> after you format to ext4, switch to tty3 and look at the mke2fs output.
[06:48] <sfergut> mrselfpwn, fdisk -l show  it`s  fine,  so is a  DOS type partition table
[06:49] <sfergut> slava_dp, ok i will try that
[06:49] <mrselfpwn> sfergut: just out of curiosity what is the size of the hard drive?
[06:49] <slava_dp> or execute mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/yourpartition before running setup
[06:50] <slava_dp> from the install media directly
[06:50] <sfergut> 320GB
[06:50] <mrselfpwn> ok
[06:50] <Camarade_Tux> sfergut: as a last resort, there is a solution: install by hand (we can guide you through that), it'd be nice to have this sorted out though
[06:51] <sfergut> Camarade_Tux, yes i can do that too .. but i wanted to know why is this install problem .. thought it had happen before to someone else
[06:51] <mrselfpwn> installs everything to ram... that is strange
[06:51] <sfergut> maybe is a problem that the partition was formatted ext4 before
[06:52] <mrselfpwn> I always format my partitions using the parted magic boot usb then install slackware.
[06:52] <Camarade_Tux> sfergut: happened to me, but I wasn't installing on my computer so I had no time to solve it
[06:52] <sfergut> current partition table http://dpaste.org/Vw0Z/
[06:52] <slava_dp> sfergut, try to reformat it as i've suggested.
[06:53] <mrselfpwn> sfergut: it's a raid setup?
[06:53] <sfergut> sfergut, yes with another disk  but i disabled it before setup run
[06:54] <sfergut> stopped it i mean , with mdamd -S /dev/md0
[06:54] <Camarade_Tux> happened to me without any raid
[06:54] <sfergut> anyway i did not install on the raid partition
[06:54] <mrselfpwn> maybe you should disconnect it or disable it in the bios.
[06:54] <sfergut> is software raid not bios raid
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[06:54] <mrselfpwn> i see
[06:55] <sfergut> ok i will try as slava_dp suggested for now
[06:55] <sfergut> thanks all for the help
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[06:56] <slava_dp> strange. if the cause is found we should report to Pat perhaps
[06:57] <Camarade_Tux> first, we need a check for the "IN USE" string
[06:58] <Camarade_Tux> when I had this problem, I had "(IN USE)" as the mountpoint or as the partition in fstab
[06:59] <slava_dp> woo. nice installer bug :)
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[07:00] <Camarade_Tux> and when you boot, it wouldn't mount /, it would then try to fsck it, but / is a folder and it'd failed, telling you your ext2 partition can't be checked
[07:00] <Camarade_Tux> ... but it's an xfs partition
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[07:01] <Camarade_Tux> I don't know what could generate a string like "IN USE" in the installer, grep returned nothing
[07:02] <Camarade_Tux> oh, it's probably compressed
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[07:04] <sfergut> ok i found out why is not formatting .. the /dev/sda* devices  are not there
[07:04] <winter> ¬
[07:05] <sfergut> fdisk -l  shows fine but there are any /dev/sda* nodes .. maybe if i manually create them with mknod will work
[07:05] <slava_dp> hmm. does udev run?
[07:05] <sfergut> there  aren`t
[07:06] <sfergut> need to look again but why it should not run ?
[07:06] <slava_dp> i dunno. udev is responsible for device nodes.]
[07:07] <sfergut> yes but there is also old /dev,   the huge.s kernel does not create  some of those  at least the disk /dev/sd files ?
[07:08] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: no udev in the installer
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[07:08] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, how does it make nodes then?
[07:08] <Camarade_Tux> there's a script but I can't remember its name
[07:08] <Camarade_Tux> mkdevnodes.sh or something like that
[07:08] <slava_dp> ouch
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[07:12] <sfergut> ok i will try to find that mkdev* file and rerun maybe i will see more output
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[07:13] <mako-sama> how would fdisk show the partitions if there are no nodes on /dev ?
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[07:14] <mako-sama> could
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[07:14] <Camarade_Tux> it can probably show the partitions with only the /dev/sda node, I think it doesn't care about /dev/sdaX
[07:16] <slava_dp> /proc/partitions
[07:16] <slava_dp> the kernel knows everything
[07:17] <mako-sama> ah.. so /dev/sda exists
[07:17] <mako-sama> I thought it didn't exist
[07:18] <Camarade_Tux> I don't know, maybe it exists, maybe not, no idea here
[07:18] <slava_dp> i don't think it exists.
[07:19] <mako-sama> and I don't think fdisk pulls hdd info from the kernel. afaik, it uses /dev
[07:19] <slava_dp> apparently, it does :D
[07:19] <slava_dp> i mean, work with the kernel.
[07:20] <frullet> "If no devices are given, those mentioned in /proc/partitions ( if that exists are used " - Quoted from the fdisk man page
[07:20] <mako-sama> ah
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[07:21] <Camarade_Tux> but "fdisk /dev/sda" would not rely on the kernel I guess
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[07:22] <mako-sama> i've never used fdisk without specifying a device name
[07:22] <mako-sama> not even when I was using dos
[07:23] <Camarade_Tux> I use "fdisk -l", without device name
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[07:32] <Camarade_Tux> I reverted wikipedia vandalism on a nearly random page, 14 hours after it happened, not bad for randomness
[07:32] <Camarade_Tux> wikipedia's UI really suck though
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[07:34] <rogersman> hey, is anyone aware of 3rd party software that works like NFS but will support hotplugging?  I have an ext HDD that (after poweron) needs to be mounted on host etc, then client after...
[07:34] <Camarade_Tux> not sure, but have you looked at automounting?
[07:35] <rogersman> Camarade_Tux: you mean like automount notifier widget?
[07:35] <Camarade_Tux> no, automount in the kernel not hal/desktop
[07:35] <rogersman> Camarade_Tux: fstab?
[07:37] <rogersman> tho i suppose a script on the client that checks for directory occupacion on the host might not be too painful....tho still would need to automount after plugged in...I think *that* would require desktop application...
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[07:37] <Camarade_Tux> I'll find a description, one day...
[07:37] <sfergut> Camarade_Tux,  slackware64 is running udev
[07:38] <sfergut> with the installer
[07:38] <slava_dp> lol
[07:38] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux fail :)
[07:38] <Camarade_Tux>  :o
[07:38] <Camarade_Tux> good to know!
[07:39] <Camarade_Tux> rogersman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Automounter#Conventions for instance
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[07:40] <Camarade_Tux> win 17
[07:40] <Camarade_Tux> bah
[07:40] <rogersman> Camarade_Tux: sweet, thanks :-D
[07:41] <Camarade_Tux> I'm really failing often these days...
[07:41] <winter>  /win 7
[07:41] <winter> sneaky bastards
[07:41] <rogersman> 10 more versions of windows to come? Im not sure she's got that kind of lifetime left....
[07:42] <Camarade_Tux> rogersman: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/rc_scripts/other_rc_scripts/rc.autofs among others
[07:42] <sfergut> slava_dp, i see the slackware-13 huge.s cant boot with raid=noautodetect do you know some way to avoid raid autodection ?
[07:43] <Camarade_Tux> I could /win 21 too
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[07:43] <sfergut> i am thinking that might be a problem  .. i am trying not to use mknod
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[07:45] <slava_dp> sfergut, hugesmp.s does not work for you?
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[07:46] <sfergut> on slackware64 installation cd i have huge.s and speakup.s only both dont work with raid=noautodetect
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[07:47] <slava_dp> there surely must be hugesmp.s
[07:47] <sfergut> i see it is only for  slackware but not in slackware64
[07:49] <sfergut> even stopping raid device with mdadm -S  /dev/md0 .. then rerun udev does not make those /dev/sda* devices
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[07:52] <slava_dp> aww, right. slackware64 has huge.s which is smp, since all x86_64 cpus support smp.
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[07:52] <sfergut> right
[07:54] <ananke> slava_dp: did you perhaps mean 'all x86_64 architectures' support smp?
[07:56] <sfergut> can i boot with old dev some way ?
[07:56] <Camarade_Tux> same, cpu is more correct I think since you can have an x86_64 cpu in 32bit mode </nitpicking>
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[08:05] <slava_dp> ananke, i was understood, and that is the point :)
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[08:06] <metrofox> hi there
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[08:18] <dissociative> anyone knows if symlinking /etc/ppp/firewall-standalone to /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall works when using pppoe
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[09:12] <elliot98> does maatkit ship with Slackware?
[09:12] <thumbs> elliot98: no
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[09:13] <Dominian> elliot98: what thumbs said
[09:14] <elliot98> ok...is there a slackbuild or other information regarding using it in slackware?
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[09:15] <thumbs> elliot98: perhaps, but I doubt it
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[09:15] <thumbs> elliot98: sbopkg -s maatkit
[09:16] <thumbs> elliot98: now, havign said that, I could make one easily - it's a simple piece of software
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[09:17] <elliot98> ok...same make it :)
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[09:44] <thumbs> elliot98: same make it?
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[09:47] <tmkd> hello, where slack store  paths to headers?
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[09:50] <fonseg> anyone has this firefox error like me (v3.5.5/slack13/xfce): http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6015/screenshot1gz.png this is very regular on firefox shutdown
[09:50] <init[1]> tmkd: which path?
[09:51] <tmkd> init[1], i installe OpenCV , it is set in /usr/local/include/opencv
[09:52] <tmkd> but my program doesnot see this
[09:52] <tmkd> i need that is compiler option -I
[09:52] <init[1]> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=opencv ^ tmkd
[09:52] <init[1]> that should help ya out,
[09:53] <tmkd> i installed opencv
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[09:54] <init[1]> tmkd: better you follow the slackbuild,it will save time for both of us
[09:54] <tmkd> init[1],  problem appears when i include cv.h
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[09:55] <slava_dp> tmkd, so uninstall it and build it again using the slackbuild.
[09:56] <tmkd> slava_dp, i need show to compiler that files exist, i can do it by -L and -I
[09:56] <tmkd> but maybe is more gentle method
[09:57] <init[1]> tmkd: i think you should do <opencv/cv.h>
[09:58] Action: slava_dp too
[09:58] <init[1]> gcc by default serarch /usr/local/include/ first
[09:58] <init[1]> s/search
[09:58] <tmkd> init[1], and next?
[09:59] <init[1]> /usr/include
[09:59] <tmkd> ok,
[09:59] <init[1]> try out that in your source
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[10:03] <LinuxSir> hi
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[10:03] <LinuxSir> hi all
[10:03] <init[1]> hello Linuxexpert :)
[10:04] <LinuxSir> how did you know me ?
[10:04] <slava_dp> lol
[10:04] <slava_dp> LinuxSir, you are obvious
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[10:04] <init[1]> LinuxSir: we are slackers
[10:05] <init[1]> LinuxSir: and you seems to use chatzilla and never ident to freenode :)
[10:05] <LinuxSir> chatzilla sucks
[10:07] <init[1]> btw thats one way to identify you :)
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[10:43] <tmkd> anyone of you compile program with OpenCV?
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[10:51] <init[1]> tmkd: did you install the slackbuild ?
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[10:52] <tmkd> init[1], it works, for this time is ok
[10:52] <init[1]> tmkd: what is your trouble then ?
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[10:53] <tmkd> while i was writing i had a problem. now it is ok
[10:53] <tmkd> bye
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[10:54] <init[1]> o_O
[10:54] <nicolas> Dans l'article du blog: se sont succédé
[10:54] <nicolas> C'est, de mémoire, un verbe essentiellement pronominal...
[10:54] <init[1]> nicolas: english ?
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[10:55] <Camarade_Tux> I think he paste-failed ;-)
[10:55] <init[1]> irc is kinda funny ! totally unexpected :P
[10:55] <nicolas> http://home.ican.net/~galandor/grammair/partici3.htm
[10:56] <nicolas> Non, pas vraiment english, simplement attaché à ma langue...
[10:56] <Camarade_Tux> but why are you mentionning that?
[10:56] <init[1]> Camarade_Tux: did you understand him?
[10:56] <Camarade_Tux> init[1]: errr, yeah
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[10:57] <init[1]> Camarade_Tux: isn't that french ?
[10:57] <Camarade_Tux> I don't see how I would have managed not to ^^
[10:57] <nicolas> Sorry guys
[10:58] <nicolas> My son switched the channel.
[10:58] <nicolas> :-)
[10:58] <init[1]> o_O
[10:58] <init[1]> nicolas: you and your son use the same nick ?
[10:58] <init[1]> :D
[10:59] <Camarade_Tux> nicolas: hahaha ;p
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[10:59] <Camarade_Tux> more than 10% more \o/
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[11:02] <Camarade_Tux> bon
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[11:02] <Camarade_Tux> argh, wrong channel :)
[11:03] <nicolas> My is just a 2 years old funny typist.
[11:03] <init[1]> just like father :P
[11:03] <nicolas> Perhaps :-)
[11:03] <nicolas> The father is an old funny typist.
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[11:16] <theblackbox> anyone got an recommendations for a screen capture package?
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[11:17] <Camarade_Tux> a net ^^
[11:17] <winter> scrot
[11:17] <Camarade_Tux> then, convert + optipng -_-
[11:18] <delt0r___> theblackbox: you mean a screen shot style or video type?
[11:18] <Camarade_Tux> what
[11:18] <Camarade_Tux> bleh
[11:18] <theblackbox> vid
[11:18] <Camarade_Tux> and what's special about scrot?
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[11:18] <theblackbox> Camarade_Tux, it sounds funny?
[11:18] <winter>  recordmydesktop, istanbul
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[11:19] <Camarade_Tux> winter: byzanz?
[11:19] <Camarade_Tux> theblackbox: he ;p
[11:19] <winter> it does it's job + allows for some tricks
[11:20] <winter> Camarade_Tux: what?
[11:20] <alienBOB> theblackbox: look for recordmydesktop it's in slackware64's /extra directorty
[11:21] <alienBOB> You should be able to compile it for 32bit too using the provided SlackBuild script
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[11:22] <Camarade_Tux> oh, good to kno :)
[11:22] <Camarade_Tux> winter: it's byzanz, not istanbul I guess
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[11:23] <theblackbox> alienBOB, nice one
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[11:23] <winter> that's the name of a desktop recording app i have installed
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[11:28] <Camarade_Tux> well, then there are two of them named after the same city :P
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[11:41] <theblackbox> okay.... erm.... embarrassing confession of the day <ahem> I'm still on 12.2 </ahem> .... will this pose any significant difficulties to building and installing the aforementioned recordmydesktop?
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[11:42] <Camarade_Tux> try and see? :D
[11:43] Action: theblackbox knew *someone* would say that
[11:43] <theblackbox> ;)
[11:43] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
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[11:44] <hitest> greetings from northern Canada:)
[11:44] <sahk0> probably not. since its not a package. my only guess would be qtrecordmydesktop *might* need a newer qt which i doubt
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[11:45] <AlexElliott_> You can always have Qt4 alongside an older Qt3 setup anyway
[11:45] <Camarade_Tux> I'd rather upgrade to slackware13 than start recompiling qt :P
[11:45] <theblackbox> yeah
[11:46] <theblackbox> been meaning to for a while, but suits me to match my work system with my vps
[11:46] <theblackbox> guess I could always upgrade /that/ too
[11:46] <AlexElliott_> Well, yeah, they'd probably take about the same amount of time. :p
[11:46] <guax> i have my qt4 compiled somewhere in this year. dont remember when, my slackware is anything between 12.2 and 13
[11:46] <guax> =P
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[11:48] <sahk0> oh right the 0.3.8 version does require newer qt
[11:48] <sahk0> v4
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[11:49] <AlexElliott_> It's getting to the point where Qt3 apps are getting few and far between, which don't get me wrong is a good thing.
[11:49] <AlexElliott_> Qt4 is very nice
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[11:49] <guax> thats evolution baby
[11:50] <Zordrak> i dont suppose anyone knows how i go about "installing" java libraries such as Xerces-J so theyre available to javac (and therefore ant) do you?
[11:51] <guax> classpath? or something like that?
[11:52] <Zordrak> well.. i tried setting CLASSPATH to the location of the jars on the line i used to run ant but it made no diff
[11:54] <Camarade_Tux> /usr/share/java?
[11:54] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: where is ant.jar on the system?
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[11:55] <Camarade_Tux> and Pilsner Urquell is pretty nice :)
[11:55] <Zordrak>  /usr/share/ant/lib/ant.jar (slackbuilt)
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[11:58] <Camarade_Tux> and what did your CLASSPATH looked like?
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[11:58] <The_Seeker> does anyone know of a good tutorial for installing Slackware from an iso file?
[11:59] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: that got it.. i put the xerces jars in ant's lib dir
[11:59] <The_Seeker> I have no blank DVDs left
[11:59] <thumbs> The_Seeker: mount -o loop, then install from local disk
[11:59] <Zordrak> The_Seeker: mount -o loop iso mountpoint
[11:59] <Camarade_Tux> does that really do it?
[11:59] <Zordrak> bien sur
[11:59] <The_Seeker> seems easy enough - thanks
[12:00] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: but what do you run afterwards?
[12:01] <Zordrak> setup
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[12:01] <Camarade_Tux> which means you still need to have booted with something first
[12:01] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: this of course being *in* the install env after PXE or USB or CD booting
[12:02] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: I'll have a distro running
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[12:02] <tecky> Is it wrong of me that I demand my college professor to open up his class instructions to include Gcc aswell instead of only MS VStudio
[12:03] <sahk0> only if he flunks you
[12:03] <init[1]> not at all :)
[12:03] <Camarade_Tux> tecky: no, but be warned mingw (gcc on windows) has some flaws
[12:03] <tecky> Camarade_Tux: not on windows, on *nix
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[12:03] <Camarade_Tux> esp. regarding headers, they're completely incomplete
[12:03] <thrice`> demanding anything of a professor is silly
[12:03] <Camarade_Tux> tecky: oh ;-)
[12:03] <Camarade_Tux> The_Seeker: have an usb key?
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[12:04] <tecky> Camarade_Tux: i refuse to use that operating system made by that 'other' company
[12:04] <sahk0> canonical?
[12:04] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: a very old one - only 256MB
[12:04] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: I do have a 1TB external HDD however
[12:04] <Camarade_Tux> The_Seeker: do you think your computer can boot from usb? (256 is enough)
[12:05] <sahk0> The_Seeker: use the usb installer in usb-and-pxe-installers and point it to the mounted iso
[12:05] <sahk0> (install from hd)
[12:05] <Camarade_Tux> tecky: sometimes you're not given the choice
[12:05] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: I'm pretty sure it can
[12:06] <tecky> Camarade_Tux: so bend over and ..... ?
[12:07] <Camarade_Tux> tecky: then have a look at usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT :)
[12:07] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: looking at that file now
[12:07] <tecky> wtf do i want that for?
[12:07] <Camarade_Tux> tecky: well, if your teacher wants programs that compile on his machine...
[12:07] <Camarade_Tux> tecky: it's even not a matter of windows/linux but of IDE
[12:08] <Camarade_Tux> tecky: tab-fail, was for The_Seeker ;)
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[12:08] <tecky> Camarade_Tux: its a matter of 'he takes your folder' cops it to his local machine, and it needs to be in a VStudio project file type
[12:08] <tecky> its ... sad
[12:08] <tecky> he litterally does 'half' a job
[12:10] <Zordrak> that is unacceptable to me
[12:10] <Zordrak> you cant demand that someone use a particular DE
[12:10] <Zordrak> *IDE
[12:10] <Camarade_Tux> actually, you can
[12:11] <Camarade_Tux> or rather, you can ask the what he hands is in a particular format
[12:11] <tecky> he doesn't ask
[12:11] <Zordrak> when i did java.. they recommended some BlueJ shit.. but everyone with any sanity used eclipse
[12:11] <tecky> its stated, if it doesn't compile / run in MS VStudio. even if its right, its a 0%
[12:11] <tecky> not compile
[12:12] <tecky> if its not in VStudio project format****
[12:12] <Zordrak> tecky: letter of complaint to the head of department.
[12:12] <tecky> ha, they <3 ms at this school
[12:12] <Zordrak> thats all you can do
[12:12] <Zordrak> vice-chancellor / dean wouldnt care
[12:12] <tecky> tru story, i kno more about windows networking and server administration than the CTO + Network admin at the college
[12:12] <tecky> its sad
[12:12] <tecky> :\
[12:12] <Zordrak> if the head of dept doesnt care.. you either deal with it or go to a better school
[12:13] <tecky> Zordrak: ha
[12:13] <Camarade_Tux> or you find a tool that produce .dsw/.dsp/.whatever files suitable for visual studio and work outside of that
[12:14] <thrice`> generally speaking, dictating what you think professors should do is a bad idea
[12:14] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`++
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[12:15] <init[1]> tecky: i think atmost you can forward a request ,isnt it?
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[12:19] <Zordrak> night all
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[12:20] <init[1]> Zordrak: gn :)
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[12:21] <init[1]> any idea how slackbuild search came into my firefox search list ?
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[12:21] <john_dee> someone is getting lazy. latest updates are not in security advisory on the site :\
[12:22] <sahk0> which ones?
[12:22] <john_dee> firebug and seamonkey
[12:22] <init[1]> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10179 wow, i din't knew this !
[12:22] <sahk0> they arent security updates from what i read
[12:23] <john_dee> that's just the opposite of what i read ^)
[12:23] <sahk0> firefox says This fixes some stability bugs
[12:23] <sahk0> seamonkey just upgraded
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[12:24] <Camarade_Tux> "Downloads    778 " ^^
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[12:24] <thrice`> the FF wasn't security related, it was "stability"
[12:24] <init[1]> Camarade_Tux: i have noidea how it got listed in my firefox search engine list
[12:25] <sahk0> those addons are useless imo. just make a custom keyword for the search and youre done
[12:25] <init[1]> Camarade_Tux: do you haave that?
[12:25] <init[1]> sahk0: i didn't install it but there is an option firefox atm
[12:25] <init[1]> no idea how it came there
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[12:25] <jeev> google spied on you
[12:25] <Camarade_Tux> init[1]: no
[12:26] <init[1]> hm,
[12:29] <init[1]> http://imagebin.org/71330 <-
[12:29] <init[1]> check that out
[12:29] <tecky> if; if then; if then else; else; else if; else if then; else if else
[12:32] <sahk0> are you learning basic?
[12:32] <init[1]> basic language?
[12:32] <init[1]> no
[12:33] <tecky> sahk0: no, actually just bored while sitting at sbux
[12:33] <sahk0> whats a sbux?
[12:33] <tecky> starbucks
[12:33] Action: init[1] :D nvm
[12:33] <tecky> or starsmucks
[12:34] <sahk0> oh *$s
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[12:34] <tecky> or ' the place where you can go and buy a cup of overly expensive water with some caffine added
[12:35] <Camarade_Tux> starbucks doesn't sell coffe, it sells a place ;-)
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[12:36] <tmkd> init[1], hello
[12:36] <tmkd> init[1], are you using opencv?
[12:36] <init[1]> oh you are back
[12:36] <init[1]> no not at all :)
[12:37] <Camarade_Tux> tmkd: just ask your question
[12:37] <tmkd> i want to grab image in grayscale from my camera, using OpenCV
[12:37] <init[1]> tmkd: did your ever try #opencv ?
[12:38] <init[1]>  /join #opencv
[12:38] <tmkd> init[1], yes but there all users  sleeps:)
[12:38] <init[1]> hm,
[12:38] <john_dee> init[1]: what is that DE/WM you're using?
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[12:38] <tmkd> de/wm? what is it?
[12:38] <init[1]> john_dee: Xfce :)
[12:39] <john_dee> nice
[12:39] <Camarade_Tux> tmkd: desktop environment, window manager
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[12:39] <dissociative> anyone knows how to set a breakpoint on gdb whenever a data value is referenced?
[12:39] <init[1]> john_dee: ah,well that is a special theme with custom DPI
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[12:40] <init[1]> dissociative: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/gccintro/gccintro_40.html
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[12:41] <dissociative> no
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[12:42] <john_dee> init[1]: is that just xfce's font settings (aa/hinting) used?
[12:42] <dissociative> I need to set a breakpoint when a variable is accessed but I dont know the address of the varible in memory the only thing that I can have is the value of the variable
[12:43] <john_dee> i guess, it is :)
[12:43] <dissociative> it should reside somewhere in memory but I dont even know is a feature in gdb for searching in memory
[12:43] <init[1]> john_dee: no hinting
[12:44] <init[1]> 96 dpi Sans Bold 8
[12:45] <dissociative> if there is...
[12:46] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: once I boot from the usb stick, will I still need to issue the mount loop command for the iso?
[12:46] <john_dee> hm
[12:47] <init[1]> john_dee: if you liked the theme http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/LightGreyV2-GUIKit?content=102190
[12:47] <Camarade_Tux> The_Seeker: yes
[12:47] <init[1]> http://www.xfce-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/102190-2.jpg
[12:48] <Camarade_Tux> The_Seeker: also, put the files needed for the slackware install on your 1tb drive, mount it and point the slackware installer to that
[12:48] <john_dee> firefux fonts look too good to be just aa. maybe it's just my monitor :]
[12:48] <john_dee> init[1]: looking good. thanks
[12:48] <init[1]> np:)
[12:49] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: so it's "mount -o loop"
[12:49] <The_Seeker> "mount -o loop file.iso"
[12:49] <thumbs> The_Seeker: the same as any mount, but add -o loop
[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> so you need a mountpoint too
[12:50] <thumbs> of course you do.
[12:50] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: when you say "files needed" I assume you mean the DVD iso?
[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> The_Seeker: do you have the files of the .iso?
[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> The_Seeker: forget what I said there
[12:50] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: I can always extract the iso
[12:50] <Camarade_Tux> I mean, extract the contents of the iso somewhere on your external drive
[12:50] <The_Seeker> ;)
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[12:51] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: I got it now
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[12:52] <The_Seeker> "
[12:52] <The_Seeker> in case you copied the content of the Slackware CDROMs/DVD
[12:52] <The_Seeker> there already, that is also an option.
[12:53] <The_Seeker> I wasn't sure whether that mean a bunch of files OR an iso
[12:53] <The_Seeker> meant*
[12:53] <The_Seeker> copied from the README_USB.TXT
[12:54] <jeev> http://www.abajournal.com/news/web_commenter_to_be_unmasked_to_mom_of_criticized_teen/ lol read the first 3 comments
[12:54] <powtrix> vbox 3.1.0beta1
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[12:56] <Wescotte> I'm not really familiar with ldconfig/pkg-config.. However ldconfig -v | grep packagename produces a result but ldconfig --list-all | grep packagename doesn't produce a result. How can this be? I thought pkg-config used ldconfig to locate where packages are? Or am I wrong?
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[12:59] <asarch> How can I close a DVD?
[12:59] <asarch> :-[ CLOSE DISC failed with SK=5h/CANNOT WRITE MEDIUM - INCOMPATIBLE FORMAT]: Wrong medium type
[12:59] <asarch> Using growisofs: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/sr0=/home/asarch/brasero.iso
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[12:59] <Camarade_Tux> "close"?
[12:59] <Camarade_Tux> /* hmmm, brasero... */
[13:00] <Camarade_Tux> Wescotte: pkg-config uses .pc files, not ldconfig at all
[13:00] <Camarade_Tux> pkg-config works on windows actually
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[13:01] <Wescotte> Camarade_Tux: ah just found that out.. my .pc files were in /usr/lib/pkg-config and not /usr/lib64/pkg-config
[13:02] <Camarade_Tux> Wescotte: broken installation :)
[13:02] <Camarade_Tux> Wescotte: what library? how did you install it?
[13:03] <Wescotte> Camarade_Tux: I'm installing mlt and I forgot to pass -libdir=/usr/lib64 :)
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[13:03] <Wescotte> er -prefix=/usr -libdir=lib64/
[13:03] <Camarade_Tux> yeah ;-)
[13:04] <Wescotte> first time using a different libdir :)
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[13:06] <Wescotte> I don't suppose anyone has tried the NLE openshot?
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[13:30] <Linux-IRC> ?
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[13:30] <john_dee> !
[13:31] <mugwort13> Hi all, quick question.  If I ssh into an ubuntu server from slackware, midnight commander (mc) and emacs get all scramled.  Is this a font encoding issue?  If I ssh from an debian box it isn't an issue.
[13:31] <john_dee> mugwort13: most likely, because slack uses en_US encoding by default
[13:32] <john_dee> and debian, afair, uses utf-8
[13:32] <john_dee> as does bubuntu
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[13:32] <Camarade_Tux> wtf?
[13:32] <Camarade_Tux> 19:32 ~/i/e [127] % ls /usr/bin/wine
[13:32] <Camarade_Tux> /usr/bin/wine*
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[13:32] <Camarade_Tux> 19:32 ~/i/e % /usr/bin/wine
[13:32] <Camarade_Tux> zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/bin/wine
[13:32] <Camarade_Tux> ?
[13:33] <mugwort13> john_dee: thanks, I'll look at the ubuntu server to see if I can change that.
[13:33] <john_dee> i'd say "oh, joy" instead of "wtf" ^)
[13:33] <Camarade_Tux> john_dee: I need it for a second ><
[13:33] <john_dee> mugwort13: i'd change it in slack better
[13:33] <john_dee> mugwort13: /etc/profile.d/lang.sh is the one you're looking for
[13:34] <adamk> Camarade_Tux: Different architectures?
[13:35] <Camarade_Tux> adamk: hmmm, it's 32bit but it should work unless I broke something
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[13:35] <Camarade_Tux> I maybe broke it in the kernel
[13:35] <Camarade_Tux> oh and yeah, it's 32bit and I'm on slackware64
[13:36] <adamk> Could be.  If you compiled your own kernel, you need to enable some option to enable 32-bit compatability.
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[13:37] <mancha> if you only want it for that ssh session to the ubuntu, you have do "LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ssh luser@nubuntu.box.com"
[13:37] <mancha> s/you have do/you could do/
[13:37] <ebw> How can I enable the use of control+alt+backspace? (I tryed option dontzap in xorg.conf, but it seems to be ignored ..)
[13:37] <Camarade_Tux> I should be able to run 32bit programs...
[13:37] <Camarade_Tux> adamk: checked, it's in and iirc I ran 32bit apps
[13:37] <Camarade_Tux> (not so long ago)
[13:38] <adamk> Then I don't know.
[13:38] <Camarade_Tux> oh, or the mmap_min_addr thing?
[13:38] <adamk> Did you update any packages after making your system multilib?
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[13:38] <Camarade_Tux> seems that error should be different
[13:38] <Camarade_Tux> adamk: got it from alien's
[13:39] <Camarade_Tux> but why does it say "no such file or directory"?
[13:39] <adamk> No idea.
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[13:41] <adamk> Camarade_Tux: Well, maybe some sort of filesystem corruption?  Seems unlikely, but I guess it's possible.
[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> I *just* installed it
[13:42] <Camarade_Tux> but something's really broken
[13:43] <Camarade_Tux> ok, seems to be with all 32bit elf files, at least from this package
[13:43] <Camarade_Tux> but I can't look at that right now =/
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[14:00] <alienBOB> Camarade_Tux: check the output of `ldd /usr/bin/wine` - then do the same for the libraries that were installed aloong with the wine package
[14:00] <fredoslack> toc toc
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[14:02] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB: ldd tells me "not a dynamic executable"
[14:02] Action: Camarade_Tux starts wondering .......
[14:03] <alienBOB> And "file" instead of "ldd" Camarade_Tux?
[14:04] <Camarade_Tux> /usr/bin/wine: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
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[14:05] <Camarade_Tux> win 14
[14:05] <Camarade_Tux> bah
[14:05] <thumbs> Camarade_Tux: alt+r
[14:05] <Camarade_Tux> thumbs: ;p
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[14:06] <Camarade_Tux> and I just tried the same package on the machine I installed last week-end, same error
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[14:06] <Camarade_Tux> 32bit apps on slackware64 don't require anything special besides kernel support, right?
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[14:08] <Camarade_Tux> ok, the "no such file or directory" is probably a bug in the shells (bash and zsh), I guess they misinterpret an error
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[14:11] <metrofox> hi there!
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[14:12] <Camarade_Tux> metrofox: you killed them all!
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[14:20] <The_Seeker> back later - thanks for the help Camarade_Tux
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[14:21] <thrice`> 32-bit glibc too
[14:23] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic
[14:23] <hiptobecubic> Have any of you looked at / used "Go" yet?
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[14:23] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: I'll check
[14:23] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: a bit
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[14:24] <Camarade_Tux> lol, the iphone worms rickrolls peoples ^^
[14:25] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, and? How did it stand up to.. oh... say..... ocaml?
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[14:29] <Camarade_Tux> well, ocaml has that terrific feature that you don't need to specify the types, that's really great, it lets you write less and better code
[14:31] <Camarade_Tux> what it seems to lack is advanced features (and that's basically the only way to get something to compile fast)
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[14:48] <winter> SPLAT!
[14:48] <fire|bird> and they're back.
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[14:53] <dissocia1ive> does the slackware iso images are updated to contain the lastest security patches?
[14:53] <Camarade_Tux> friends! \o/
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[14:54] <rg3> dissocia1ive: no
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[14:54] <rg3> (as far as i know) :)
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[14:54] <dissocia1ive> I need to download slackware-13.0 again but I am deciding to choose between bittorrent or just mirror the directory from an ftp mirror
[14:55] <dissocia1ive> and then build or burn the iso
[14:55] <rg3> bittorrent will probably be faster
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[14:55] <deco> yes bittorrent is much faster
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[14:55] <dissocia1ive> but mirroring will give me the lastest security patches
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[14:55] <macavity> 'ello :-)
[14:55] <dissocia1ive> to build or burn the image
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[14:55] <deco> dissocia1ive: you can upgrade them later
[14:56] <rg3> i'd simply download the iso, the security patches, install the distribution and then install the patches
[14:56] <deco> dissocia1ive: slackpkg upgrad-all
[14:56] <deco> upgrade*
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[14:56] <rg3> then you can safely plug the network cable in :P
[14:56] <dissocia1ive> mmm does slackware-13.0 includes transmission?
[14:56] <dissocia1ive> yet
[14:56] <deco> dissocia1ive: no
[14:57] <deco> dissocia1ive: slackbuilds.org does
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[14:58] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, doesn't Go have type-inference?
[14:58] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: not that I can see
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[14:58] <hiptobecubic> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/go-new-open-source-programming-language-from-google.ars
[14:58] <hiptobecubic> the sample there, line 2
[14:58] <sahk0> wb macavity :)
[14:58] <Camarade_Tux> var s string = "";
[14:59] <fire|bird> greetings macavity, how are you?
[14:59] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, ? Are you looking at the same example? It's a func to sum an array... no strings
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[14:59] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: hmm, seems it maybe have some but it must be quite limited and only work because the right-side of the "=" is well-known
[14:59] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: I took that from the tutorial
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[15:00] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, hm. Not sure. Just saw it today. Gotta head out. I'll bbl
[15:00] <macavity> oh, nice to see the phonon fix in changelog :-)
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[15:02] <Camarade_Tux> I'll have to go soon too ;-)
[15:02] <deco> nooOO!!
[15:03] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[15:03] <fredoslack> deco,  ann tii sooo cialll
[15:03] <fredoslack> Groupe Trust,
[15:03] <fredoslack> do you know ? :)
[15:04] <fredoslack> ree hello Camarade_Tux
[15:04] <fredoslack> =)
[15:04] <deco> fredoslack: oh the song ? i only heard that song from anthrax
[15:04] <fredoslack> ok
[15:04] <deco> the metal band
[15:04] <fredoslack> what is antrax ?
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[15:05] Action: BP{k} sends some to fredoslack in an envelope. ;)
[15:05] <fredoslack> iooo BP{k}
[15:05] <deco> fredoslack: it's a metal band
[15:05] <fredoslack> =)
[15:05] <fredoslack> ok
[15:05] <fredoslack> loool BP{k}
[15:08] <macavity> fire|bird: oh, didn't see you. I'm all good.. except i have the flu.. you?
[15:08] <fire|bird> macavity: I'm doing great, weather is crappy today though. Hope you get better soon. :)
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[15:08] <macavity> i have a strong imune defence, so i only get mildly hit
[15:09] <TheProselytizer> === DO NOT INTERCEPT, THIS IS A DIVINE MESSAGE FROM THE POPE. ANYONE WHO INTERFERES WILL BE CONDEMNED BY THE MATER DEI ====
[15:09] <macavity> some painkillers took the worst of it
[15:09] <TheProselytizer> I, Pope Benedict XVI, have been given an Immaculate vision for the future of man's economic systems.
[15:09] <deco> TheProselytizer: hi
[15:09] <deco> TheProselytizer: i love jesus
[15:09] <TheProselytizer> Hello.
[15:09] <macavity> TheProselytizer: consider this an official interferance....
[15:09] <TheProselytizer> I love Madonna.
[15:09] <deco> TheProselytizer: i love your mom
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[15:10] <mancha> some flus (like spanish flu 1918, and the current swine flu) hit harder the folks who have strong immunse systems. google "cytokine storm"
[15:10] <TheProselytizer> I, Pope Benedict XVI, am a Madonna fan.
[15:10] <macavity> and for the future of man's economic system: as long as it is based on the fractional reserve system controlled by private bankers it will always be a tool "of the devil"
[15:11] <macavity> p-e-r-i-o-d
[15:11] <TheProselytizer> macavity: Fractional reserve is fine as long as the economy grows to pay off the interest on the principal.
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[15:11] <macavity> i think you should re-do the math on that part...
[15:12] <macavity> you can only pay off the interest to the current dept by creating more dept...
[15:13] <macavity> and, obviously, dept is not growth
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[15:14] <ratiane> Hi all!!!
[15:14] <deco> hi
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[15:14] <hitest> hi
[15:14] <fire|bird> hey hitest
[15:15] <hitest> hi fire|bird
[15:15] <mancha> the pope ping timedout? the vatican's lan manager needs to be changed.
[15:15] <hitest> fire|bird:how are, man?
[15:15] <macavity> i so love it when people tries to argue rationally when they only know half of the facts :P
[15:15] <fire|bird> hitest: great, thanks. you?
[15:15] <hitest> fire|bird: I am excellent, ty:)
[15:16] <fire|bird> macavity: http://omploader.org/vMnA4eA ;)
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[15:16] <fire|bird> hitest: the weather could be better, but, eh, can't complain much about that. :)
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[15:16] <hitest> agreed:)
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[15:17] <macavity> fire|bird: ditch the Vista looking clock, and you approach something really cool there :-)
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[15:17] <fire|bird> macavity: Hmm, good idea.
[15:17] <hitest> fire|bird: installed freebsd 7.2 with guh-nome in a vm yesterday....I was bored:)
[15:18] <macavity> fire|bird: is that csh?
[15:18] <fire|bird> hitest: haha, nice.
[15:18] <fire|bird> macavity: zsh
[15:19] <hitest> fire|bird: :-)
[15:19] <macavity> k
[15:19] <fire|bird> hitest: Is guh-nome guh-ood ? :P
[15:19] <hitest> vewy good indeed
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[15:20] <hitest> fire|bird: but I don't like freebsd enough to run it on my HD anymore. slackware ftw
[15:20] <fire|bird> hitest: freebsd 8 is suppose to be scheduled to release this month sometime.
[15:20] <hitest> yeah
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[15:25] <fire|bird> macavity: http://imagebin.org/71340 ? :P
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[15:26] <nimbius> oi slack.  where do i find an iso of 13?
[15:26] <fire|bird> many of the slackware mirrors have them
[15:26] <fire|bird> such as: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/
[15:27] <fire|bird> and more specifically, http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso
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[15:27] <fire|bird> nimbius: ^^^
[15:27] <mancha> i humbly suggest a torrent...chances are it'll be faster and it helps others while you help yourself
[15:27] <fire|bird> mancha: agreed
[15:27] <deco> nimbius: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php
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[15:28] <nimbius> torrents only? im behind a corporate firewall.
[15:29] <deco> nimbius: get the iso from an http or ftp mirror then
[15:29] <fire|bird> nimbius: no, torrents are just an option, not the only method, I gave you a direct link to a slackware 13 dvd iso above.
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[15:30] <mancha> today is 11/11 is there any y2k-ish thing i need to worry about?
[15:30] <alienBOB> nimbius: find ISOs here: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml
[15:31] <macavity> fire|bird: now you just need some really cool matrix looking plasmoid instead ;-)
[15:31] <deco> mancha: hmmmmm nope.. maybe till 2012
[15:31] <fire|bird> mancha: normally, yes, but you're running slackware, so you're covered. ;)
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[15:31] <macavity> fire|bird: something that makes windows users go "dude.. this guy *must* be a 1337 h4x0r"
[15:31] <mancha> i have /etc/rc.d/rc.11-11 set to +x
[15:31] <mancha> just in case
[15:31] <fire|bird> macavity: Hmm, good idea, I'll have to search around now.
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[15:32] <fire|bird> mancha: never hurts to play it safe. ;)
[15:32] <macavity> mancha: 11/11 doesnt become dangerous untill 2011
[15:32] <fire|bird> then it's 11.11.11
[15:32] <macavity> mancha: this year it was 09/09 you needed to worry wabout
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[15:33] <mancha> at 9:09 am on 9/9/09 my microwave oven began broadcasting voice of america programs from the 60s
[15:33] <deco> :o
[15:33] <fire|bird> macavity: I wish the Install more widgets option would show more to download and install, instead of just showing the most popular, newest added, etc. :P
[15:34] <fire|bird> mancha: but did it stop being able to cook stuff?
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[15:34] <mancha> i don't want to sound to critical, but migrating to a new ircd is *not* that big a deal. freenode is taking way too long to transition.
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[15:35] <mako-sama> testing is a big deal
[15:35] <mancha> they've been running testbed for months now
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[15:38] <mancha> anyone know why they went with -seven and not -ratbox?
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[15:47] <macavity> mancha: i think the freenode staffers were listening to you.. and crated a netsplit just to show you that ircd matters are not trivial per se ;-)
[15:47] <mancha> yep, they listened and grew angry!  :)
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[15:48] <macavity> but in all honnesty, i think its good that they dont go MS-style on this one
[15:48] <macavity> a lot of important development work is aided by IRC
[15:48] <mancha> if anything should happen to me, a "car accident" or the next time i take flight my plane crashes etc, you know who to blame
[15:48] <macavity> i know that the KDE team use IRC extensively
[15:48] <macavity> hehe
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[15:53] <lordkelmain> Anyone running slackware on a lenovo y550 ?
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[16:03] <macavity> lordkelmain: giving a brand model number is of little use.. pastebin the output of lspci is much better
[16:03] <mancha> also more specificity in the challenge and/or issue you're having would help
[16:04] <lordkelmain> macavity and mancha, no challenges and no issues, I just saw a deal for one and was wondering if anyone here was running it.
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[16:05] <thrice`> the things to check are video card, and wireless chipset.  the rest shouldn't be much trouble :)
[16:05] <mancha> lord, there's a site (forget which one now) that had lists of linux-friendly hw
[16:05] <macavity> Intel GMA X4500MHD integrated
[16:05] <macavity> i cant find the WiFi
[16:05] Action: thrice` plans to never buy intel again
[16:06] <macavity> (as you rarely can without downloading the windows drivers and checking the .inf files)
[16:06] <thrice`> intel for gpu, that is
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[16:07] <macavity> Intel Wireless Wi-Fi Link 5100
[16:07] <lordkelmain> How is bluetooth support, generally?
[16:07] <macavity> however, this source says nVidia
[16:08] <thrice`> not that great in slackware
[16:08] <lordkelmain> macavity, they offer nvidia graphics for it, but generally intel elsewhere.
[16:08] <macavity> Bluetooth Version 2.1 + EDR
[16:09] <macavity> i know jack shit about bluetooth in general
[16:09] <macavity> i dont even think we have a bluetooth enabled gadget in the house
[16:09] <macavity> (maybe the toaster?)
[16:09] <lordkelmain> Your mobile phone might have it.
[16:09] <thrice`> slackware still has bluez3, and just about everything needs bluez4
[16:10] <macavity> Nokia 1208 :P
[16:10] <macavity> that means NO
[16:10] <lordkelmain> hahah
[16:10] <mako-sama> good phone
[16:10] <macavity> it has a small flashlight though
[16:10] <mako-sama> yeah
[16:10] <lordkelmain> That is a very good phone.
[16:10] <mako-sama> long battery life
[16:10] <macavity> yes.. and dirt cheep
[16:11] <mako-sama> I use one of those as well. I have another one in my car for emergencies :P
[16:11] <macavity> i bought it for the price of 3.5 pizzas, not SIM locked
[16:13] <macavity> i am still waiting for something like the Nokia N900 to become affordable
[16:13] <macavity> i want a real portable computer with a phone in it before i bother... and i need Samba4 to get stable
[16:13] <mancha> get an 810 they'r e prolly cheap now
[16:14] <macavity> i pretty much need it to be Armed Slack compatible :P
[16:14] <mancha> oh why is the 900 slack compat and not the 810?
[16:14] <mancha> btw, debian runs perfectly well on the 810
[16:15] <thrice`> debian doesn't run perfectly well on anything
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[16:15] <mancha> heh. i like debian.
[16:15] <thrice`> I was joking, I've never actually used plain debian :)
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[16:17] <mako-sama> hmm.. iirc, I used debian potato
[16:17] <mako-sama> or was that woody
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[16:20] <lordkelmain> Was that 3.0?
[16:20] <Wescotte> Anyone know any decent tools for building/testing context free grammars? Say, I give it a CFG and then ask if certain strings are in the grammar. etc
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[16:21] <delt0r___> Wescotte: is google borken?
[16:21] <delt0r___> broken
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[16:21] <Wescotte> delt0r___: can't seem to find one on Google.. or maybe I'm searching for the wrong terms..
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[16:21] <winter> delt0r___: you broke it
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[16:22] <delt0r___> Wescotte: Well there is all those compiler compilers out there
[16:22] <delt0r___> most are for BNF gramms iirc
[16:22] <macavity> mancha: the 810 doesnt have a regular phone in it.. its just an internet tablet
[16:23] <mancha> mac, yes, it does have wimax though and also working skype
[16:23] <mancha> but you're right, not a regular phone.
[16:23] <macavity> and i need both
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[16:24] <mancha> fair enough, just providing a cost-effective alternative
[16:24] <macavity> i need the home server to be able to dial it up and sync its calender.. even if it is out of 3G interenet coverage
[16:26] <macavity> true.. but carrying two devices is a nuisance
[16:26] <macavity> and the N900 will probably sky dive in price as soon as the next gen ARMs come out and they release its successor
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[16:29] <Dominian> heh
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[16:35] <Urchlay> Wescotte: the standard unix-flavored tools for BNF grammars are lex and yacc (aka flex and bison)
[16:35] <Urchlay> morning people
[16:36] <hitest> morning
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[16:37] <Urchlay> Wescotte: http://ds9a.nl/lex-yacc/cvs/lex-yacc-howto.html looks like a decent intro
[16:37] <Urchlay> even better would be to buy the "Lex & Yacc" book from O'Reilly
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[16:46] <Wescotte> Urchlay: thank you
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[16:47] <beatzz> how would I go about getting a module to load at boot?
[16:47] <beatzz> Im being told by my Linux+ book its by editing /etc/init.d/rc.local
[16:48] <beatzz> but that file has nothing in there related to anything that looks like stuff starting at boot.
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[16:50] <bigpaws> beatzz: /etc/rc.d/rc.local
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[16:51] <Wescotte> beatzz: also /etc/modprobe.d/
[16:51] <adamk> To get to it to load at boot, you'd really need to add it to your initrd.  You could add 'modprobe module.ko' to /etc/rc.d/rc.local, but but doesn't get loaded till after all the other services start up.
[16:52] <beatzz> well see thats he problem
[16:53] <beatzz> this paticular laptop im working on I have Kubuntu
[16:53] <macavity> beatzz: if you describe the real problem to us we might be able to tell you how early in the process you need the module loaded
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[16:53] <beatzz> Ethernet controler
[16:53] <beatzz> macavity: ethernet controler
[16:53] <bigpaws> The truth shows
[16:53] <adamk> So why not ask on #ubuntu?
[16:53] <beatzz> because they dont know @%!#@
[16:53] <macavity> then /etc/modprobe.d/ or /etc/modprobe.conf
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[16:53] <macavity> depending on who *buntu is rigged
[16:54] <adamk> Then why not install Slackware? :-)
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[16:54] <beatzz> I could
[16:54] <macavity> -current has KDE 4.3.3
[16:54] <macavity> and it is nice :-)
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[16:54] <beatzz> perhaps
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[16:55] <macavity> beatzz: on kubunty, is /etc/modprobe.conf a symlink to /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf ?
[16:56] <beatzz> there actualy is no /etc/modprobe.conf
[16:56] <beatzz> there is a /etc/modprobe.d/
[16:56] <thrice`> modprobe.conf is obsolete in newer module-init-tools
[16:56] <macavity> ok, then you just create a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/
[16:56] <macavity> thrice`: i was worried about their patch-everything-for-backwards-compatibility-for-all-eternety-syndrome
[16:57] <beatzz> macavity: everything in /etc/modprobe.d/ is a *.conf
[16:57] <thrice`> is that them, or debian?
[16:57] <beatzz> most of them being blacklist-*.conf
[16:57] <beatzz> i could install slack
[16:58] <beatzz> but then I gata do this "vga=normal" for Lilo
[16:58] <thrice`> we'd be happy to help if so.  otherwise, GTFO, etc
[16:58] <beatzz> otherwise i get a blackscreen after Lilo
[16:58] <beatzz> :/ and all I have is 12.2
[16:58] <robinetd> beatzz: So install grub on slackware. Not that hard.
[16:59] <beatzz> that brings up a question Ive had for some time
[16:59] <beatzz> /etc/ is basicaly a configuration directory
[16:59] <beatzz> so what dose etc stand for?
[16:59] <macavity> etcetera
[16:59] <beatzz> what dose that have to do w/ configuration?
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[16:59] <macavity> it also contains scripts
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[17:00] <beatzz> well I guess I dont have anything else going on right now
[17:00] <beatzz> might as well do a Slack install.
[17:00] <macavity> "binaries, libraries, auxiliry files and etcetera"
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[17:02] <macavity> you also find a few things in /etc that would have been in /usr/share/ if it wasnt for the fact that the corresponding bins/libs lives in /bin and /lib rather than /usr/bin and /usr/lib
[17:02] <macavity> but naturally you cant stick stuff like that in /usr/share/ if /usr doesnt get mounted untill late in the boot process (eg, if it is mounted via NFS)
[17:03] <macavity> but really, consider downloading 13.0
[17:03] <beatzz> anyone here use reiserfs?
[17:03] <macavity> not any more
[17:03] <macavity> it is largely unmaintained
[17:03] <macavity> and i find jfs just as fast
[17:03] <beatzz> ext4 is out now aint it?
[17:03] <beatzz> w/ slack13?
[17:03] <macavity> at least for the things i use it for
[17:04] <macavity> yes
[17:04] <beatzz> sweet
[17:04] <beatzz> I've been reluctant to upgrade
[17:04] <macavity> in my messurements jfs is a little faster for compiling stuff (which i do a lot, so that is alway my main concern)
[17:04] <beatzz> this laptop ive been working on for years
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[17:05] <beatzz> and it is 99% exactly the way I want it to be.
[17:05] <beatzz> dont wana mess it up by upgrading
[17:05] <beatzz> not too shure about KDE 4.*
[17:05] <Urchlay> beatzz: I still have a large reiserfs partition, mostly because there's no easy way to upgrade it to anything else in-place
[17:05] <macavity> you can just follow the changes-and-hints.txt + upgrade.txt in the slackware-13.0/ dir if you arent keen on a wipe
[17:06] <beatzz> cant I use slackpkg to upgrade?
[17:06] <beatzz> w/o wiping everything
[17:06] <Urchlay> it's got something like 900GB of data, I'd have to burn it to 200+ DVDs, reformat the partition, and copy those 200+ DVDs back... ugh
[17:06] <macavity> i wouldn't bet my life on it..
[17:06] <beatzz> says so in 'man slackpkg'
[17:07] <macavity> there is some manual trickery involved this time because of the change of package format
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[17:07] <Urchlay> you can always follow the upgrade.txt instructions on the DVD
[17:07] <Urchlay> (assuming you're upgrading from 12.2 to 13.0 anyway)
[17:08] <macavity> you can do it on a live system
[17:08] <beatzz> call me old fashioned, but 12.2 dose verything I need it to do, and I'm kinda used to it.
[17:08] <macavity> so you just download all the packages, and follow the document
[17:08] <macavity> well.. 13.0 is a lot different.. mostly because of KDE
[17:09] <Urchlay> well, don't upgrade your 12.2 box, if you don't need to...
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[17:09] <macavity> but for me the upgrade in intel drivers was a must
[17:09] <beatzz> word, altho there is a problem w/ my laptop
[17:09] <macavity> and the new xorg is a *lot* faster here
[17:09] <beatzz> it seems ever since I compiled my own kernel
[17:09] <beatzz> for bootsplash
[17:09] <macavity> especially since i upgrade my kernel
[17:10] <beatzz> I cant Ctrl+Alt+F1-6 anymore
[17:10] <beatzz> to a login shell
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[17:10] <Urchlay> for me, I had to upgrade to 13.0 because before that, I wasn't even running true slackware (was running slamd64). 13.0 is the first 64-bit release of slack
[17:10] <macavity> KMS is probably going to clear that right up
[17:10] <macavity> that is, if you have Intel
[17:11] <Urchlay> argh. Where does irssi get the number that goes in the Lag indicator on the status line?
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[17:11] <Urchlay> (sorry, kinda OT, it's killing me though)
[17:12] <beatzz> anyone ever herd of someone not being able to access a login shell (CLI) by Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6
[17:12] <macavity> it messures the ping time to freenode
[17:12] <macavity> beatzz: it is probably because bootsplash graps the framebuffer or something
[17:12] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: why?
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[17:13] <beatzz> I know it has something to do w/ bootsplash
[17:13] <beatzz> because I used to be able to do it
[17:13] <beatzz> prior to bootsplash
[17:13] <beatzz> now Ctrl+Alt+F1 takes me to my bootsplash screen
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[17:14] <beatzz> and Ctrl+Alt+(F2-F6) take me to a blank screen with a simple "_" prompt
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[17:14] <beatzz> no login prompt at all, pressing 'Return' dose nothing either
[17:14] <jonsmith1982> you feel better for having a bootsplash?
[17:15] <beatzz> I feel like acomplishing that task helped me compile my first kernel
[17:15] <beatzz> so yea.
[17:15] <beatzz> ;)
[17:15] <Urchlay> macavity: hm. I didn't know the IRC protocol had a way for the client to ping the server... or is it using ICMP?
[17:16] <metrofox> see ya ^
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[17:18] <nooper> not icmp
[17:18] <NthDegree> Urchlay, uses IRC to do the ping
[17:18] <NthDegree> The PING command is an implemented way to test servers for lag
[17:19] <Urchlay> there's a lot I don't know about the IRC protocol, even though I wrote an IRC client once...
[17:20] <macavity> ctcp
[17:20] <pazof> failed
[17:20] <NthDegree> macavity, PING is a server command too, doesn't need CTCP
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[17:20] <Urchlay> (for a tiny little machine with 48K of RAM, so I couldn't implement the full protocol anyway)
[17:20] <NthDegree> << PING ass.ass.ass
[17:20] <NthDegree> >> :kubrick.freenode.net PONG kubrick.freenode.net :ass.ass.ass
[17:20] <NthDegree> :P
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[17:21] <macavity> but anything that runs on a UNIX tcp socket pretty much have PING build in
[17:22] <beatzz> man this CompTIA Linux+ book dose me no good.
[17:22] <beatzz> I think I should just got for A+, and study the slackbook for linux.
[17:23] <Urchlay> from what I've seen of them, certification study guides don't even try to actually teach you anything... they're just meant for you to memorize, so you can spit out the answers when you go to take the test
[17:23] <Urchlay> (maybe not all study guides are created equal though)
[17:23] <beatzz> yea but how am I ever to get a decent job?
[17:24] <beatzz> say yea, I work loading and unloading a truck
[17:24] <beatzz> and I know a lil bit about linux, and administration thereof?
[17:24] <beatzz> :/
[17:24] <Urchlay> not saying "don't get certs", I'm saying the books are only good for getting certs, not actually learning useful things
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[17:24] <beatzz> word
[17:25] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: /win 13
[17:25] <Camarade_Tux> bleh ^^
[17:25] <Urchlay> it's entirely possible to be certified in something, yet remain clueless about the subject (I've had the displeasure of trying to work with a few...)
[17:26] <winter> Urchlay: yes but you've better chances of finding a job then
[17:26] <beatzz> ok, so when im in Lilo's <Tab> menu
[17:26] <beatzz> it gives me a prompt
[17:26] <beatzz> boot:
[17:27] <beatzz> i put in vga=normal
[17:27] <winter> even if one pay only for a pass
[17:27] <Camarade_Tux> nope
[17:27] <beatzz> No such image. [Tab] shows a list.
[17:27] <macavity> just type the name of the label followed by options
[17:27] <macavity> Linux vga=normal
[17:27] <beatzz> gracisas
[17:27] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: you put the *name* of an entry in the lilo.conf
[17:27] <macavity> gesundheit
[17:27] <beatzz> moment of truth!
[17:27] <beatzz> :O
[17:27] <beatzz> It worked!!!
[17:28] <macavity> of course :P
[17:28] <beatzz> i have dmesg!
[17:28] <Urchlay> winter: sure. And the industry is full of cretinous uneducated types, like the cisco-certified "network engineer" I had to work with, who had no idea how to troubleshoot any kind of network problem...
[17:28] <macavity> no.. you have kernel boot
[17:28] <beatzz> w/o vga=normal it go's black
[17:28] <delt0r___> beatzz: http://sandersfrom.nl/image.axd?picture=dilbertstepasideimcertified_thumb.jpg
[17:28] <macavity> dmesg is a program that cats daemon messages
[17:28] <Urchlay> me: "OK, I'm running tcpdump and I see no packets coming from you"... him: "What the heck does that mean?"
[17:28] <beatzz> delt0r___: rofl
[17:28] <macavity> Daemon MESsaGes
[17:29] <macavity> beatzz: i think you need to read up on how bootsplash really works
[17:30] <macavity> beatzz: OR you just have fucked hardware that doesnt understand VESA video modes
[17:30] <delt0r___> mmm I think i was supose to give that link to winter
[17:30] <macavity> beatzz: my advice: remove bootsplash to see if you fucked up something else first ;-)
[17:31] <winter> Urchlay: so as i, but at least i have no certificates
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[17:31] <macavity> beatzz: if it still goes black, but the default kernel doesnt, then you accedently removed VESA VGA text console and/or VESA framebuffer
[17:32] <macavity> beatzz: however, if you have an Intel graphics chip, with 13.0 you just set it up to use kernel mode setting (KMS) and everything becomes magic ferries flying on winged unicorns
[17:33] <beatzz> so on this new laptop, will I have to [Tab] > boot: Linux vga=normal everytime i boot?
[17:33] <macavity> .. unless it completly blows up because your particular chipset hasn't been proparly testet (ask thrice` how that feels)
[17:33] <Scuzz> lol
[17:33] <macavity> beatzz: no.. you edit /etc/lilo.conf and rerun lilo
[17:33] <macavity> or fix the problem for real
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[17:34] <macavity> i reccomend the later.. you might even learn a thing or two about grapchics hardware and drivers from it
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[17:42] <fire|bird> macavity: I'm not finding any matrix-ish plasmoids to add to the desktop. Any ideas? :P
[17:43] <macavity> not really, no
[17:43] <fire|bird> that answer is unacceptable. ;)
[17:44] <fire|bird> :P
[17:44] <macavity> but you know that i have the most boring desktop in the world...
[17:44] <fire|bird> yeah.....default. :P
[17:46] <macavity> http://imagebin.org/71358
[17:46] <nooper> fancy wallpaper
[17:46] <macavity> i do most my work in yakuake
[17:47] <macavity> nooper: it is part of the KDE artwork package
[17:47] Action: fire|bird yawns
[17:47] <fire|bird> :P
[17:48] <macavity> but having a CPU'o'meter on the desktop is nice :P
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[17:48] <macavity> it reminds me when i forget -j for make ;-)
[17:48] <fire|bird> macavity: that's sort of boring, non-visually appealing. :P
[17:48] <fire|bird> haha
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[17:48] <macavity> the important thing is that it doesnt interfere with the text in my semi transparent yakauke
[17:49] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: your meter is not a good meter as it changes what it meters!
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[17:49] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: that is a law of physics that no-one has been able to change yet
[17:49] <nooper> lol
[17:50] <macavity> when ever you messure something you alter it
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[17:50] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: it changes it a lot ;-)
[17:50] <macavity> that is why you cant do to messuerments in the same go
[17:50] <macavity> thus cant determing speed and location at the same time
[17:50] Action: macavity teaches physics 101 to ##slackware
[17:51] <Alan_Hicks> Actually that's quatum physics 301.
[17:51] <macavity> lol
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[17:51] <Alan_Hicks> Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle.
[17:51] <macavity> exactly
[17:52] <fire|bird> macavity: http://imagebin.org/71361
[17:52] <Alan_Hicks> Roughly stated: "A particle's velocity and location cannot be measured at the same time. The more precise your measurement of one, the more imprecise you're measurement of the other."
[17:53] <lordkelmain> You are measurement, eh?
[17:53] <Alan_Hicks> Yeah, I screwed that up.
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[17:53] <Alan_Hicks> s/you're/your/
[17:53] <fire|bird> All your measurements are belong to me.
[17:53] <lordkelmain> That's a good pick up line.
[17:53] <Alan_Hicks> Maybe at a geek convention.
[17:53] <fire|bird> lordkelmain: yes, but will it work?
[17:54] <Alan_Hicks> Even there I think it'd get you slapped.
[17:54] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: Well, *a* reaction is better than no reaction, right? :P
[17:54] <macavity> :P
[17:54] <lordkelmain> fire|bird, agreed.
[17:54] <Alan_Hicks> fire|bird: Not always.
[17:54] <fire|bird> at least you'd have a red mark to show for it. :P
[17:54] <lordkelmain> First contact =)
[17:54] <macavity> fire|bird: if she is Irish you will get a nuclear reaction ;-)
[17:54] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: yeah, I guess that depends on what the reaction is.
[17:54] <fire|bird> bbiab
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[17:55] <Alan_Hicks> Right.
[17:55] <Alan_Hicks> A slap on the face might not be so bad, but a chemical burn is.
[17:59] <Urchlay> "If she slaps me, hey, at least she'll be touching me!"
[18:00] <lordkelmain> Urchlay, that's the spirit.
[18:00] <Camarade_Tux> I'm never going to get any kind of decent I/O performance with qemu+win7 ='(
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[18:04] <macavity> i dont think qemu is the limiting factor there ;-)
[18:05] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, that means you're throwing out KVM and Xen too then :(
[18:05] <NthDegree> (they both use QEMU as the underlying powar!)
[18:06] <macavity> huh
[18:06] <NthDegree> Win7 has double the system requirements of Vista anyway
[18:06] <macavity> i thought qemu used kvm
[18:06] <Camarade_Tux> perf is really lame, it's awful
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[18:06] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: not always
[18:06] <NthDegree> macavity, KVM uses QEMU to emulate all the extra components :P
[18:06] <straterra> nthdegress, err not
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[18:06] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: runs without problem, it really has to do with I/O
[18:06] <straterra> its the same requirements
[18:06] <NthDegree> straterra, no.. it's not
[18:06] <straterra> yes it is
[18:06] <macavity> NthDegree: uhm, no.. i *hate* it, but windows 7 is much faster than vista
[18:07] <NthDegree> straterra, Vista had a 512MB minimum, 7 has 1GB minimum
[18:07] <Camarade_Tux> in practice it is
[18:07] <lordkelmain> NthDegree, macavity is right.
[18:07] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: that's because vista's was too low ;-)
[18:07] <NthDegree> lordkelmain, not according to an MS webpage he isn't
[18:07] <straterra> marketing speak
[18:07] <macavity> it runs decent on a Celeron 1.7GHz with 1GB ram
[18:07] <lordkelmain> This vaio I'm on is unusable in vista. On win7 it's more responsive than slackware.
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[18:07] <NthDegree> Windows Vista minimum supported system requirements - Home Basic / Home Premium / Business / Ultimate
[18:07] <NthDegree> 800 MHz processor and 512 MB of system memory
[18:07] <straterra> vista ran fine on all of my hardware...so..
[18:08] <macavity> lordkelmain: switch to BFS if you want slackware to be responsible
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[18:08] <lordkelmain> macavity, really? I'm on xfs right now.
[18:08] <NthDegree> Courtesy of:  http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/get/system-requirements.aspx (scroll down a bit)
[18:08] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, the problem is maybe that windows installation is trying direct/unbuffered i/o and that doesn't play well with qemu and xfs
[18:08] <macavity> lordkelmain: BFS is a scheduler
[18:08] <macavity> lordkelmain: Brain Fuck Scheduler
[18:08] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: tried it?
[18:08] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: yes
[18:08] <NthDegree> BFS is for CPU not I/O?
[18:09] <NthDegree> BFQ is for I/O
[18:09] <macavity> BFQ?
[18:09] Action: macavity googles
[18:10] <NthDegree> BFQ is an I/O scheduler that OOTB claims to be a bit better than CFQ
[18:10] <macavity> right
[18:10] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: so, how was it?
[18:10] <macavity> s/was/is/
[18:10] <NthDegree> it's unrelated to BFS.. which is.. err... experimental (even though it is good)
[18:10] <macavity> its stable here
[18:11] <macavity> and it makes my machine much much more responsive
[18:11] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: any sort of objective measure?
[18:11] <NthDegree> Was stable for 14 days when I was using it, I don't know about responsiveness though :|
[18:11] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: things happen when i click on them right away.. even if i am doing a make -j 8 on the kernel at the same time
[18:11] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, if you call some graphs that CK has objective.. perhaps
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[18:12] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/2632rc3v2631bfs303-kbuild.png
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[18:13] <lordkelmain> macavity, system specs?
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[18:14] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: that bootimg works a treat
[18:15] <Camarade_Tux> The_Seeker: :)
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[18:15] <The_Seeker> Camarade_Tux: alienBOB is responsible for the bootimg, no?
[18:16] <The_Seeker> if so, he's a bloody legend
[18:16] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha, and yes, afaik, it's from him
[18:16] <The_Seeker> my 256MB usb pen hasn't been useful since 2000
[18:17] <beatzz> # insmod /lib/modules/2.6.27.7/kernel/drivers/net/atl1e/atl1e.ko
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[18:18] <beatzz> insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.27.7/kernel/drivers/net/atl1e/atl1e.ko': -1 Invalid module format
[18:18] <beatzz> ?
[18:18] <macavity> lordkelmain: T7400
[18:18] <macavity> lordkelmain: 2GB ram, intel 945 chipset
[18:18] <deco> anyone here use pekwm ? it seems it doesn't wanna use my .Xdefaults any way to make it ?
[18:19] <macavity> beatzz: did you recompile the kernel image without recompiling the modules?
[18:19] <beatzz> ?
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[18:19] <lordkelmain> macavity, that is a hell of a lot better than what I have slack on, heh. I will try the patch tonight or tomorrow.
[18:19] <beatzz> i did a $ make
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: 2.6.27.7
[18:19] <beatzz> # make install
[18:19] <beatzz> # insmod /lib/modules/2.6.27.7/kernel/drivers/net/atl1e/atl1e.ko
[18:20] <macavity> so you havent even booted the new kernel yet?
[18:20] <beatzz> I wasent aware I had to?
[18:20] <macavity> and blindly doing make install on a kernel is idiotic if you dont know what exactly it does
[18:20] <macavity> i think you are way in over your head here..
[18:20] <beatzz> thats what got my ethernet working when i had kubuntu on it like, an hour ago
[18:21] <macavity> now you have a /vmlinuz that lilo.conf doesnt point to
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[18:21] <macavity> so, you should probably first move/copy that kernel image to /boot, and then make a lilo entry for it
[18:21] <macavity> then rerun lilo
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[18:22] <macavity> then reboot and test it
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[18:22] <macavity> why does my memory tell me that i have walked you over a kernel compilation before?
[18:23] <beatzz> i did a while back
[18:23] <macavity> s/over/through/
[18:23] <beatzz> but I took a few months off linux
[18:23] <beatzz> and now i just feel retarted
[18:23] <beatzz> i lost it all..
[18:24] <macavity> next time, use make moduels_install instead, and copy the kernel image by hand :P
[18:24] <beatzz> i quit smoking pot as well
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[18:24] <macavity> but for now, just mv /vmlinuz /boot/my-own-kernel-image
[18:24] <beatzz> and at that point in time i was smoking heavly
[18:24] <beatzz> which i honestly think helps my computing skillz
[18:24] <macavity> then edit /etc/lilo.conf, add a new label = test-kernel
[18:25] <macavity> image = /boot/my-own-kernel-image
[18:25] <macavity> etc etc
[18:25] <macavity> then run lilo
[18:25] <beatzz> wait a sec
[18:25] <beatzz> ur thinkin I compiled the kernel w/ make / make install
[18:25] <beatzz> ?
[18:25] <Scuzz> beatzz, here is a kernel config howto i used. http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding
[18:25] <macavity> that is what you just said to me that you did
[18:25] <macavity> so yes, i think you did as you said you did
[18:25] <beatzz> I untared the module
[18:25] <beatzz> the atl1e moduel
[18:26] <macavity> ahh.. this is an out of tree module?
[18:26] <The_Seeker> Scuzz: I too recommend that howto
[18:26] <beatzz> went into its /src directory
[18:26] <beatzz> yea, I been over that one
[18:26] <beatzz> did it all
[18:26] <beatzz> have it bookmarked, completly forgot all of it.
[18:26] <beatzz> macavity: I did the make / make install inside of the untared modules /src directory
[18:27] <macavity> you forgot to mention that this wasnt a kernel recompile.. you cant expect me to remember the name and trickery of well in excess of 10000 kernel modules
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[18:27] <macavity> do you have the kernel sources installed?
[18:27] <alkos333> so I downloaded the dvd iso for slackware64
[18:27] <macavity> and are you running an smp kernel?
[18:27] <alkos333> and the weird thing is that slackware64/PACKAGES.TXT  is 0KB
[18:27] <macavity> alkos333: -current?
[18:28] <alkos333> no  slackware64-13.0
[18:28] <macavity> official mirror?
[18:28] <Camarade_Tux> anyone have a nice tool to convert music to ogg? possibly not one with 20 command-line parameters to type each time :)
[18:28] <alkos333> i got the torrent off of slackware.com
[18:28] <macavity> ok.. then we must assume it is the right one :P
[18:28] <macavity> yes, that is rather odd
[18:30] <beatzz> macavity: brand new laptop, brand new slackware 12.2 install, trying to get the Ethernet port to work
[18:30] <macavity> do you have the kernel sources installed?
[18:30] <macavity> and are you running an smp kernel?
[18:30] <beatzz> macavity: I downloaded the module that made it work on Kubuntu less than an hour ago
[18:30] <beatzz> macavity: followed the same steps, and it dosent work
[18:30] <macavity> just answer the questions...
[18:30] <beatzz> i dont think so
[18:31] <macavity> since this is not Kubuntu
[18:31] <beatzz> I havent done anything except install slackware
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[18:31] <macavity> uname -a
[18:31] <macavity> paste output here
[18:31] <beatzz> yes its SMP
[18:31] <macavity> paste output here
[18:31] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: which card?
[18:32] <beatzz> I cant paste it because its on a seperate laptop
[18:32] <Camarade_Tux> oh, atl1e, right
[18:32] <beatzz> that cannot connect to the net
[18:32] <macavity> uname -r
[18:32] <macavity> type output here
[18:32] <beatzz> 2.6.27.7-smp
[18:32] <macavity> so far so good
[18:32] <macavity> are you sure the kernel module you got for kubuntu is smp capable?
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[18:33] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: huh?
[18:33] <macavity> i dont know *shit* about kubuntu
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[18:33] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: why not slackware13?
[18:33] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: it says invalid module format when he tries, so i wonder why it wont link right on 12.2
[18:33] <Camarade_Tux> but where does this module come from?
[18:34] <macavity> since it is out of tree i asume this is some proprietary crap?
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> no, it's staging
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> (if it's atlansic 1E
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> )
[18:34] <beatzz> http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?product=1&SLanguage=us-en&type=map&model=P5KPL-CM
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> it's in regular drivers now
[18:34] <Anatol> macavity, I just checked the md5 and that matches as well.
[18:34] <beatzz> i dont have slackware 13 because....I just dont have it
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> that's why I'm asking why he's not on 13, it'd work ootb I think
[18:35] <beatzz> I downloaded it the other day
[18:35] <beatzz> but when i tryed to burn it and install it i get nothing
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[18:35] <beatzz> BIOS passes up my dvdrom like nothings there
[18:35] <beatzz> so im stuck w/ my 12.2 disk
[18:35] <macavity> lol
[18:36] <alkos333> beatzz, why don't you get 13.0 again?
[18:36] <macavity> did you burn it on slackware?
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[18:36] <beatzz> macavity: yes
[18:36] <macavity> cdrecord -dev=/dev/sr0 /path/to/friggin/file.iso ?
[18:36] <beatzz> growisofs -speed=2 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso
[18:36] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, when you get the modprobe error (don't use insmod), what does dmesg say?
[18:36] <beatzz> is what i used to burn it
[18:38] <robinetd> macavity: Are you going to put lasers on its friggin head?
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[18:39] <macavity> robinetd: sorry, you lost me :P
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[18:39] <beatzz> ok im burning slackware 13
[18:39] <robinetd> macavity: It's doctor evil from Austin Powers. He wants sharks with friggin lasers attached to their friggin heads.
[18:39] <beatzz> the correct way, thanks macavity
[18:39] <beatzz> I will just start over with 13 tomorrow on this new laptop
[18:40] <beatzz> too frustrating on me and the wifes 2 year annv
[18:40] <Camarade_Tux> just to know it: what does dmesg say?
[18:40] <beatzz> me?
[18:40] <macavity> this whole thing is much easier with recent kernels
[18:40] <fire|bird> no, the guy sitting next to you.
[18:40] <fire|bird> :P
[18:40] <beatzz> well I'd have to dmesg > file.txt right?
[18:41] <beatzz> then transfer it to this laptop via flash drive
[18:41] <macavity> beatzz: dmesg | tail
[18:41] <Camarade_Tux> crotte...
[18:41] <beatzz> then post it on pastebin
[18:41] <macavity> its just the error message from the insmod/modprobe
[18:41] <macavity> but i can already guess what it says: nothing
[18:41] <macavity> .. since insmod refused to insert it
[18:41] <macavity> because of the wrong module format
[18:42] <beatzz> thanks for the help all
[18:42] <beatzz> gana try a fresh crack at it tomorrow w/ slackware 13
[18:42] <beatzz> gana go try and spend the evening w/ the wife
[18:42] <macavity> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.27.7/kernel/drivers/net/atl1e/atl1e.ko
[18:42] <macavity> ah, fuck
[18:42] <macavity> that is what was bothering me
[18:43] <macavity> either that file is not there, or you did something wrong
[18:43] <beatzz> i proly did something wronge.
[18:43] <macavity> it should be insmod /lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/drivers/net/atl1e/atl1e.ko
[18:43] <macavity> but "modprobe atl1e" should do the trick
[18:44] <beatzz> both of those commands complet successfuly
[18:44] <macavity> lol
[18:44] <beatzz> but nothing changes
[18:44] <beatzz> i still see no ethernet card in wicd or ifconfig
[18:44] <macavity> yes.. now ifconfig -a will show you it
[18:44] <macavity> ifconfig eth0 up
[18:44] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: it'd say what is wrong
[18:44] <beatzz> no such device
[18:45] <macavity> dmesg?
[18:45] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: huh?
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[18:45] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: iirc it gives more details on what is wrong
[18:45] <Camarade_Tux> and 'modprobe -v atl1e' too
[18:46] <beatzz> macavity: "version magic '2.6.27.7 mod_unload 486 should be 2.6.27.7-smp SMP mod_unload 686' "
[18:46] <Camarade_Tux>  \o/
[18:46] <Camarade_Tux> not compiled for *your* kernel
[18:46] <Camarade_Tux> and now, good night :)
[18:47] <macavity> beatzz: ok, so i was right right from the beginning :P
[18:47] <macavity> brb.. need to restart KDE after the update
[18:47] <beatzz> go figure -_o
[18:47] <Camarade_Tux> and where did this module come?
[18:47] <Urchlay> you just compiled this module?
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[18:47] <beatzz> i downloaded it from the site, which isent EXACTLY the same as it was when I downloaded the module that worked for kubuntu
[18:48] <Camarade_Tux> *that* was the error
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[18:48] <Urchlay> downloaded what? the source for the module, or the compiled module?
[18:48] <beatzz> src i belive
[18:48] <beatzz> i had to untar it
[18:48] <beatzz> go into its /src
[18:48] <beatzz> make / make install
[18:48] <Urchlay> ok
[18:48] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: you have the kernel sources installed on slackware?
[18:49] <beatzz> how would I know?
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[18:49] <Urchlay> what you shoulda done: install the slackware kernel-source package (if you hadn't already), then: cd /usr/src/linux ; zcat /proc/config.gz > .config ; make prepare
[18:49] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: anything in /usr/src?
[18:49] <beatzz> thank god this is on a test laptop
[18:49] <Camarade_Tux> (a folder named "linux"?)
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[18:49] <Urchlay> that'll set up your kernel source so it matches your running kernel
[18:49] <beatzz> and not the one i use daily
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[18:50] <macavity> so, are we playing with non-smp-sdk?
[18:50] <Alba[onga> hello!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:50] <hitest> hi
[18:50] <macavity> spare us the enthusiasm...
[18:50] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: don't :D
[18:51] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: so, does /usr/src/linux exists?
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[18:55] <beatzz> Camarade_Tux: no
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[18:55] <beatzz> but my slackware 13 disk is finished
[18:56] <beatzz> looks good
[18:56] <beatzz> gana just install that and go from there
[18:56] <macavity> i asked you if you had the kernel sources installed just before.......
[18:56] <beatzz> and i had no idea if i did or not
[18:56] <Alba[onga> anybody use irssi
[18:57] <Alba[onga> ?
[18:57] <macavity> next time, check
[18:57] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz: and did the tar you extract had any .o or .ko file in it?
[18:57] <macavity> i do
[18:57] <beatzz> but if having a directory 'linux' in /usr/src/ means you have it
[18:57] <beatzz> i dont
[18:57] <beatzz> yes Camarade_Tux
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[18:57] <beatzz> it did
[18:57] <Camarade_Tux> basically, I think you had a semi-precompiled driver
[18:57] <Camarade_Tux> so, just a word
[18:57] <Camarade_Tux> DIE UBUNTU!
[18:57] <Camarade_Tux> thanks :)
[18:57] <macavity> beatzz: /var/log/packages/ has a file for each package you have installed
[18:58] <Camarade_Tux> (yeah, broadcom did that too at some point for their newer drivers [4312 for instance], they're merged in the kernel now hopefully)
[18:58] <macavity> beatzz: so you check if you have kernel source installed by: ls /var/log/packages/kernel*
[18:58] <macavity> and one of them should say something that suggest that you have kernel source
[18:59] <Alba[onga> soon or late UBUBUNTU will be sell...
[18:59] <beatzz> ok, i got slackware 13 installing
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[18:59] <macavity> make sure you do a full install....
[18:59] <beatzz> gana start from the top, fuk that module i downloaded earler
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[18:59] <beatzz> gana do a lspci and go from there again
[18:59] <macavity> sounds like a good idea
[18:59] <macavity> you wont need to
[18:59] <Camarade_Tux> going to bed
[19:00] <beatzz> gn Camarade_Tux
[19:00] <macavity> 13.0 supports you card
[19:00] <macavity> *your
[19:00] <macavity> good night Tux
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[19:00] <beatzz> sweet, looking forward to seeing 13 in action for the first time
[19:01] <macavity> as soon as you get it up and running i reccomend that you upgrade to -current
[19:01] <macavity> KDE 4.2.4 is missing a few key features that are in the 4.3 series.. and -current is up to 4.3.3
[19:02] <macavity> (notably in 4.2.x you cant select which previews you want.. it is either all or nothing)
[19:02] <beatzz> thanks all of you for your patience and help, especialy macavity, and Camarade_Tux
[19:02] <beatzz> and antiwire, for some reason i cant get your name on autofill
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[19:02] <beatzz> Urchlay, you as well
[19:03] <beatzz> thank you for your patience with me
[19:03] <macavity> beatzz: you *really* need to study slackbook a little.. especially the section on how package mangement work
[19:03] <beatzz> i need to read that whole thing
[19:03] <beatzz> cover to cover
[19:03] <macavity> then we will have you up to speed in no time
[19:03] <beatzz> just to get back into the saddle
[19:03] <macavity> yup
[19:04] <macavity> thats the spirit :-)
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[19:04] <Urchlay> beatzz: eh, did you give up on getting that module to work in 12?
[19:04] <beatzz> i wana buy a hard copy
[19:04] <macavity> cover to cover seems like a good plan :P
[19:04] <beatzz> Urchlay: yea, it supossedly works w/ 13
[19:04] <macavity> Urchlay: it was pre compiled for *buntu :P
[19:04] <beatzz> and i think the module was semi-prebuilt for ubunutu
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[19:05] <Urchlay> hm, on 13, I have this: /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/kernel/drivers/net/atl1e/atl1e.ko
[19:05] <macavity> Alba[onga: /FAIL :P
[19:05] <macavity> Urchlay: exactly
[19:05] <Urchlay> (and no, I didn't install a separate atl1e driver myself, I never even heard of it before...)
[19:05] <beatzz> sweet
[19:05] <beatzz> <3 slackware
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[19:06] <Urchlay> these days I'm way to lazy & apathetic to build custom kernels, unless I run into something that absolutely won't work without one (not had to do it lately)
[19:07] <caoliver> Lazy!
[19:07] <Urchlay> yeah, so lazy I can't even press the O key twice (so it's "to lazy")
[19:07] <caoliver> to lazy with love.
[19:08] <Urchlay> wasn't Lazy one of the seven dwarves?
[19:08] <caoliver> Memtesting new box here.
[19:08] <Urchlay> doc, sleepy, dopey, lazy, inky, pinky, blinky, and clyde?
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[19:09] <Urchlay> wait, I forgot groucho and harpo...
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[19:09] <acidtripper> alienBOB, Are you there?
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[19:15] <beatzz> ahh what the heck did they do to Tux!?
[19:15] <macavity> he went to bed
[19:15] <beatzz> he looks like some neo-Tux
[19:15] <macavity> no, that is Taz
[19:16] <macavity> he fills in for Tux while he is on vacation
[19:16] <macavity> Tux got a vacation for the entire .29 series
[19:16] <beatzz> are u BSing me?
[19:16] <macavity> .. and honnestly, he has been at work constantly since 2.4.something
[19:16] <macavity> no
[19:16] <fire|bird> much needed too, look how long tux has been around, working hard.
[19:16] <beatzz> or is that the serious explination
[19:16] <macavity> that is Linus being funny
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[19:17] <Urchlay> macavity: out of sympathy for the poor penguins, I run without framebuffer (vga=normal)
[19:17] <fire|bird> heya hitest
[19:17] <beatzz> rofl...
[19:17] <hitest> hi fire|bird:)
[19:17] <macavity> Urchlay: being a GNU Zealot(TM) can you guess what i do to my kernel builds? ;-)
[19:17] <Urchlay> (actually I do that cause I spend 99.9% of my time in X anyway)
[19:17] <beatzz> fire|bird: thank you for all your help man, I seriously appreciate it
[19:18] <Urchlay> you replaced tux with the gnu logo? (which is an actual gnu?)
[19:18] <fire|bird> hey haunting|penalty
[19:18] <beatzz> i only hope to be able to repay you all with help one day as well
[19:18] <fire|bird> err Urchlay
[19:18] <Urchlay> hey, despotic|burglaries
[19:18] <Urchlay> eh, fire|bird
[19:18] <fire|bird> lol
[19:18] <macavity> Urchlay: actually i am too lazy to do that.. i just uncheck the boot logo option :P
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[19:19] <Urchlay> macavity: I was afraid you were going to say, you replace tux/tuz with a picture of RMS... now *that* is zealotry
[19:19] <beatzz> sweet
[19:19] <macavity> i was contemplating a hottie with big tits... but RMS?!?
[19:19] <beatzz> eth0 is recognized!!!
[19:19] <beatzz> but now wlan0 is not
[19:19] <beatzz> :x
[19:19] <macavity> lol
[19:19] <macavity> what wifi card is that?
[19:20] <beatzz> Atheros
[19:20] <beatzz> AR928X
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[19:20] <macavity> ok, that *should* be supported out of the box
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[19:20] <beatzz> ifconfig wlan0 up?
[19:20] <beatzz> or should I install wicd?
[19:20] <macavity> ifconfig -a
[19:20] <beatzz> :D
[19:20] <macavity> does it show wlan0 on the list?
[19:20] <beatzz> ;)
[19:21] <macavity> ok
[19:21] <beatzz> ur the man
[19:21] <macavity> so, wicd is probably a good idea
[19:21] <macavity> unless you want to mock about with wpa_supplicant.conf
[19:21] <beatzz> :x
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[19:21] <macavity> thats what i thought...
[19:21] <Urchlay> ye can have my wpa_supplicant.conf when ye pry it from me cold, dead hands!
[19:21] <macavity> on 13.0 you regular user need to be a member of netdev
[19:21] <macavity> to use wicd
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[19:22] <macavity> but adduser will instruct you to use *arrow up* to get the right default groups
[19:22] <beatzz> i did adduser
[19:22] <macavity> please please do so.. or we will have to unspaghetti your system 20 times over :P
[19:22] <beatzz> got me beatzz user made him a member of all special groups
[19:22] <Urchlay> mostly I like using a conf file because I can just "cp /mnt/oldroot/etc/whatever.conf /etc/whatever.conf" after a new install (rather than remembering the sequence of actions I did in some GUI tool, to produce the same result)
[19:23] <beatzz> ok to mount Slackware dvd....
[19:23] <beatzz> mount /dev/sd0 ?
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[19:23] <macavity> beatzz: when you log in as beatzz and type groups do you get as a bare minimum these: users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev power netdev
[19:23] <beatzz> yes mac
[19:24] <macavity> mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom/
[19:24] <macavity> there is no sd0
[19:24] <beatzz> roger
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[19:24] <macavity> there is sg0, but that is an entirely different beast
[19:25] <beatzz> :o
[19:25] <beatzz> *.txz
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[19:25] <beatzz> i herd of the new tar format
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[19:25] <Urchlay> is not a new "tar format". It's a new compression method
[19:26] <Alba[onga> lzma algo...
[19:26] <macavity> screw that.. installpkg /media/cdrom/extra/packages/wicd/wicd*txz
[19:26] <beatzz> i did so
[19:26] <macavity> or what the path is.. i can never remember
[19:26] <beatzz> just /extra/wicd/
[19:26] <Urchlay> the tar archive is the same as it ever was, it's just compressed differently
[19:27] <macavity> ok, chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd
[19:27] <Urchlay> xzcat blah.txz > blah.tar ; gzip -c blah.tar > blah.tgz
[19:27] <macavity> and /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start
[19:27] <macavity> then startx and you should be good
[19:28] <beatzz> here we go :>
[19:29] <caoliver> Anyone here bumped his kernel to 2.6.31.6?  Are there any particular pains I should expect?
[19:30] <beatzz> HOLY COWS!!!
[19:30] <lordkelmain> caoliver, I just upgraded to .5 a few days ago.
[19:30] <Urchlay> moooo?
[19:30] <beatzz> this is pimp!
[19:30] <macavity> i am still on .31
[19:30] <macavity> so .31.6 should be pretty easy
[19:30] <Scuzz> caoliver, im using 2.6.32-rc6 with no issues
[19:30] <lordkelmain> No issues for me.
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[19:31] <mancha> xzcat blah.txz | gzip > blah.tgz
[19:31] <fire|bird> haha
[19:31] <Urchlay> mancha: sure
[19:31] <Urchlay> mancha: my point was that blah.txz, blah.tar, and blah.tgz were all the same thing
[19:32] <beatzz> i wonder why my older laptops wireless card is stronger than this one in a brand new laptop
[19:32] <Urchlay> people moving from the windows world probably aren't used to the idea that archiving (tar) and compression (xz, gzip, etc) are separate operations... since zip does both
[19:33] <caoliver> Thanks.  New box needs later kernel for some drivers (e.g. recent attansic gig-E)
[19:33] <macavity> caoliver: i usually go zcat /proc/config.gz > .config && make oldconfig
[19:34] <mancha> i sort of with kernel patches were diff'd against the version immediately preceding it
[19:34] <mancha> s/with/wish
[19:34] <mancha> (not sure what happened, i blame the booze)
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[19:34] <macavity> mancha: i have thought that a few times too
[19:34] <caoliver> Ah!  I tend to make config, and use diff to see what's changed in case I need to fix stuff.
[19:35] <caoliver> I.e. diff -u .config .config.old.
[19:35] <macavity> caoliver: the above method lets you carry as many old settings over as possible
[19:35] <caoliver> I figured as much.
[19:35] <macavity> caoliver: if you carry something over that has no meaning in the new kernel, make oldconfig will just obliterate it
[19:36] <caoliver> maccavity: I'm more concerned with getting new options right.
[19:36] <mancha> it'll prompt for the new options assuming it can parse the difference
[19:36] <caoliver> Ok.
[19:36] <mancha> i.e. not a huge jump in majors
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[19:37] <caoliver> Most of my boxen are 2.6.27.38 at the moment, so big jump in majors.  :-/
[19:37] <mancha> itmight be imperfect then
[19:38] <caoliver> I'm trying to throw my one lonely 32 bit system at  a friend, so I've fewer maintenance headaches.
[19:39] <beatzz> you guys
[19:39] <beatzz> thanks to all of your 1337 help
[19:39] <beatzz> I can sell  this laptop back to its original owner
[19:40] <macavity> 27.38?
[19:40] <beatzz> i had to buy it off him because i put linux on it, and couldent get it working properly
[19:40] <caoliver> Amiga no hablas UNIX, so I'm installing Pokemon err... Ubuntu on that.
[19:40] <macavity> geez.. i wonder how much crap has been shoehorned into that
[19:40] <macavity> lol
[19:40] <beatzz> but now that slack13 has everything working, i can sell it back to him
[19:40] <beatzz> and get my 350 bucks back
[19:41] <beatzz> and buy immediatly a copy of slackbook
[19:41] <jg71> and we get ... ?
[19:41] <beatzz> you get the satisfaction of knowing im donating $ to slackware, and learning from the book i recieve so i dont have to ask stupid questions all the time on the irc channel
[19:41] <beatzz> :D
[19:41] <macavity> jg71: we get a more cluefull user in this community
[19:41] <beatzz> *ding ding ding*
[19:41] <mancha> does pat get any money from slackbook sales?
[19:41] <mancha> and does hicks?
[19:42] <macavity> if it is bought from store.slackware.com he/they probably do :P
[19:42] <beatzz> which is where im buying from
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[19:42] <macavity> then all is good with me
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[19:43] <beatzz> hey check this out
[19:43] <beatzz> wait for it...
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[19:43] <macavity> and since i didnt see jg71 opt in much on the problem fixing, i dont think he should get a slice of the pie anyhow :P
[19:43] <beatzz_> booyah!!!
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[19:44] <macavity> now get it updated to -current and phonon/strigi/akanodi works as advertized
[19:44] <beatzz> yea whats w/ that akanodi it poped up at startx
[19:44] <macavity> its a little confused about its new home...
[19:44] <tecky> fill macavity?
[19:44] <macavity> fill?
[19:44] <tecky> or phil macavity?
[19:45] <macavity> what?
[19:45] <tecky> just a bad bad joke .....
[19:45] Action: macavity has the conf00s
[19:45] <mancha> cool
[19:45] <jg71> good one, tecky
[19:45] <tecky> >.>
[19:45] <tecky> back to trolling... /wave
[19:45] <fire|bird> tecky: that joke was horrible.
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[19:45] <fire|bird> it was a joke that wasn't a joke at all.
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[19:46] <mancha> i kinda laughed
[19:46] <jg71> it was a cloaked joke
[19:46] <mancha> fill my cavity  :)
[19:46] <fire|bird> tecky: doh, I just got it.
[19:46] <macavity> ha..... ha..... ha.....
[19:46] <jg71> :-)
[19:46] <fire|bird> mancha: yup, got that now, re-looked.
[19:46] <mancha> in the tradition of the all-too-classic: seymour butts
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[19:46] <fire|bird> or, phil macrackin.
[19:46] <beatzz> ok so to get to current?
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[19:47] <macavity> lol
[19:47] <fire|bird> beatzz: If you don't know how, don't try.
[19:47] <beatzz> i will google that one first
[19:47] <beatzz> gana go relax
[19:47] <beatzz> thanks all, good times
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[19:47] <beatzz_> what he said
[19:47] <macavity> lol
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[19:48] <macavity> funny fella.. i remember him from last time where he thought he wanted to become an expert
[19:48] <lotec> what up slackers>?????
[19:48] <fire|bird> lol
[19:48] <macavity> however, if he actually buy the slackbook and starts reading it, there may be hope
[19:48] <fire|bird> lotec: the sky, clouds....
[19:48] <macavity> the rest of the milky way
[19:48] <lotec> fire|bird: what up Home Girl?
[19:48] <fire|bird> macavity: or, maybe his wife can read it to him.
[19:48] <fire|bird> Girl? wtf.....
[19:48] <macavity> my willie
[19:49] <mancha> "once upon a time...."
[19:49] <fire|bird> macavity: yeah, but AFTER you take the blue pill.
[19:49] <macavity> "there was a lotec with a broken nose..."
[19:49] <macavity> fire|bird: you continue the tale
[19:49] <lotec> fire|bird: i forgot you like to be called Lady
[19:49] <mancha> slacklibs
[19:50] <macavity> why is pr0n torrents always so bloody slow?
[19:50] <fire|bird> macavity: because lotec isn't seeding.
[19:50] <jg71> too many tissues clogging the tubes
[19:50] <lotec> macavity: use youporn/redtube
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[19:50] <macavity> lotec: they suck.. i have, ehem, "particular taste"
[19:50] <lotec> fire|bird: i keep my pron private, plus trust me you dont want to see it
[19:51] <lotec> macavity: let me know there is a site for it. :D
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[19:51] <nooper> 2lotec1cup?
[19:51] <mancha> pr0n is the single most important factor in web developent: j-script, flash, etc
[19:51] <fire|bird> nooper: yeah, but he wishes it was 2girls1lotec :o
[19:51] <lotec> i hate waiting for torrent pr0n,  takes forever by then something is getting it, and i dont care who or what
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[19:51] <deco> lotec: check out spankwire
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[19:52] <lotec> deco: will do
[19:52] <jg71> see you next year, lotec
[19:52] <deco> lol
[19:52] <lotec> you can also check out LemonParty
[19:52] <deco> hmmm
[19:52] <deco> 4chan is good too
[19:53] <deco> for pics
[19:53] <lotec> or oneguyonecup.com
[19:53] <jg71> thong7 ... awesome
[19:53] <mancha> we're the only species that values pr0n. ever see monkeys go ape (sorry) over magazines suchg as Big Banana or Hair
[19:53] <lotec> if you like that freeky shit
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[19:53] <deco> mancha: yes
[19:53] <deco> ive seen pandas go ape for panda porn
[19:53] <lotec> mancha: they also pick and eat poop
[19:53] <deco> yup
[19:53] <deco> and toss it around
[19:53] <jg71> guys...
[19:54] <deco> dudes....
[19:54] <caoliver> deco: That's not useful; I don't think apes are endangered.
[19:54] <mancha> they do that in zoos just to watch the onlookers get disgusted
[19:54] <mancha> it's carefully calculated
[19:54] <deco> yeah
[19:54] <caoliver> deco: You want apes to go panda.
[19:54] <lotec> caoliver: depens where you live
[19:54] <deco> i've seen cats touch them selfs
[19:55] <deco> on youtube that is
[19:55] <lotec> lol,  now i am starting to think of that episode of south park with PITA
[19:55] <caoliver> s/PITA/PETA/
[19:55] <caoliver> ?
[19:55] <jg71> pain in the ape?
[19:55] <deco> PITA indeed
[19:55] <caoliver> Ha!
[19:55] <lotec> http://decibel.org/~decibel/stuff/kitten_porn.jpg
[19:56] <deco> hmmm
[19:56] <deco> no
[19:56] <lotec> it is not that bad
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[19:57] <lotec> i want to be this guy http://www.stitthappens.com/images/random/gasprice-lemonparty.jpg
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[19:58] <jg71> rofl, kitten talk and what do we get? a small goat.
[19:58] <fire|bird> lol
[19:58] <fire|bird> jg71: what are the odds, eh?
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[19:59] <jg71> all good things ... oh hai antiwire
[19:59] <smallgoat> whats wrong with a small goat?
[20:00] <lotec> jesus christ.  that is just sick
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[20:00] <lotec> macavity: tub girl right?
[20:01] <macavity> huh?
[20:01] <macavity> no, man.. that sort of thing is not in my collection :P
[20:01] <lotec> that is it huh? "particular taste" ?
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[20:01] <macavity> thetrainingofo.com
[20:02] <lotec> O Hot.   that is hard to find..  just watch 9mm :D
[20:02] <john_dee> ahaha
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[20:02] <john_dee> smallgoat
[20:02] <lotec> erm damn 8mm
[20:02] <john_dee> wicked
[20:02] <jg71> lol
[20:04] <macavity> anyhow.. time to take my goat magazine and got to bed
[20:04] <macavity> gn everyone
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[20:04] <tecky> thats somewhat disturbing
[20:04] <lotec> macavity is hard core.
[20:04] <tecky> someone w/ the name of ma-cavity... and they are talking about a goat mag.
[20:04] <antiwire> The live feed is way more disturbing
[20:04] <tecky> ..... sure
[20:04] <lotec> i have jerked to some dirty shit, but Goat Pr0n jesus christ
[20:04] <john_dee> gotta ask him that thing to read too
[20:04] <tecky> farm animals ftw?
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[20:05] <tecky> 'every time you masturbate, god kills a farm animal... please, think of the goats '
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[20:05] <john_dee> :)
[20:06] <lotec> goats? or Gotsy
[20:06] <jg71> http://pics.cheggit.nl/pics/2007/08/18/456-sheepjimgay2cd490dc802tw.jpg
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[20:06] <lotec> bahahahahhaa
[20:06] <lotec> bhahahahaha
[20:06] <john_dee> :DDDD
[20:07] <antiwire> that is the gnarliest GD cartoon ever
[20:07] <tecky> jg, thats right, on, almost, distubring my dear young chap
[20:07] <john_dee> jg71: that one is good :)
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[20:07] <john_dee> now i don't need macavity's magazine
[20:07] <john_dee> this'll do
[20:08] <tecky> ha
[20:08] Action: john_dee looks around
[20:08] <tecky> john_dee: "brb fapping away"
[20:08] <john_dee> shit. i give myself out. lol
[20:08] <john_dee> )))
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[20:09] <tecky> well anyway
[20:09] <lotec> i bookmarked that one,
[20:09] <tecky> thats almost as disturbing as john's comment lotec
[20:09] <tecky> just a fyi
[20:09] <lotec> what ever, i got's to get mine
[20:09] <lotec> fbmm
[20:10] <lotec> or in this case   fgmm
[20:10] <john_dee> haha, yeah
[20:11] <lotec> john_dee  http://www.woot.com/  pick that up it helps to hold there legs
[20:12] <john_dee> now that is disturbing. any experience with this thing, lotec? :D
[20:12] Action: john_dee bookmarked anyway
[20:12] <lotec> what can i say, i'm a Pimp
[20:13] <fire|bird> john_dee: experience? he designed it.
[20:14] <john_dee> oh. that explains it
[20:14] <john_dee> pimp-designer
[20:14] <john_dee> whata combination ^)
[20:15] <lotec> the more i look at peopleofwalmart the more i want to burn that place to the ground.  my god
[20:15] <fire|bird> john_dee: He designed it when he was lonely and bored, and, true to his nick, it works, but is *lo*tec.
[20:15] <john_dee> pimps and goats. i thought i entered ##slackware. now wtf? :))
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[20:15] <john_dee> hahaha
[20:15] <yermandu> hy guys
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[20:16] <john_dee> i don't even wanna know what lo stands for
[20:16] <lotec> bah ##slackware and ##wtf are the same
[20:16] <john_dee> :))
[20:16] <fire|bird> john_dee: that makes two of us. :P
[20:16] <lotec> no serious  wtf is this http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/517.jpg
[20:16] <tecky> <3 fire|bird
[20:16] <yermandu> im try compare bzip2 and xz, how i can create a .xz extension?
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[20:18] <jg71> yermandu, try `xz --help' for more information
[20:19] <john_dee> :D
[20:20] <yermandu> lol
[20:20] <yermandu> i was using the like the tar file
[20:20] <yermandu> ok now :p
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[20:21] <fire|bird> john_dee: Well look at that, now it's pimps, goats, and toys. :P
[20:22] <john_dee> and bootstraps. they took over the channel. no extensions talk here since today
[20:22] <tecky> fire|bird: ha
[20:22] <john_dee> %)
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[20:23] <lotec> john_dee  is this you  http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/385.jpg
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[20:24] <john_dee> lotec: so that's what your previous link was. advertising your merchndise, eh? :p
[20:25] <fire|bird> lol
[20:25] <lotec> :D
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[20:31] <john_dee> ahaha, nice
[20:32] <john_dee> nah, i'm the fat kid with a cake ^)
[20:32] <john_dee> so the site is called people of walmart. so where are the..uh..people? :p
[20:33] <fire|bird> haha
[20:33] <lotec> go to peopleofwalmart
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[20:33] <lotec> you will see,  jesus christ that site is bad.  Big Fatties on there
[20:33] <lotec> i have to pace myself
[20:33] <john_dee> http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/532.jpg
[20:35] <lotec> http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/18.jpg bahahahahhaa
[20:35] <lotec> ]bhahahahahhahahahaha
[20:35] <jg71> :)
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[20:38] <fire|bird> lotec: laugh much harder, you'll have to change your depends.
[20:38] <lotec> http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/116.jpg
[20:39] <lotec> i dont wear those when i am home,  i just shit in my chair
[20:39] <plutonium> hehehe
[20:39] <fire|bird> I figured as much. ;)
[20:40] <thrice`> lol
[20:40] <lotec> wtf is Nyredneck
[20:40] <lotec> i found his car on here
[20:40] <john_dee> lotec: gotcha http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/406.jpg
[20:40] <john_dee> mr.pimp
[20:41] <lotec> pimpin
[20:41] <john_dee> %)
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[20:42] <lotec> nyRedneck car  http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/102.jpg
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[20:46] <lotec> john_dee i found your car on here also  http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/223.jpg
[20:46] <plutonium> :)
[20:47] <fire|bird> lotec: you insensitive clod, thats my hunting lodge on wheels, park it in the woods and I'm good to go. :P
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[20:49] <nachox> evening slackers
[20:49] <john_dee> ahahhaaha. u insensitive clod, you're the second with the 'deer' joke :p
[20:49] <lotec> lol
[20:50] <fire|bird> evening nachox
[20:50] <lotec> what up x
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[20:51] <john_dee> lotec: oh, man. i found your pimp ride. http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/3111.jpg
[20:51] <john_dee> somhow it has a deer too ^)))
[20:52] <lotec> hehehe this site is great
[20:52] <fire|bird> john_dee: Now THAT's a hunting lodge on wheels, probably even has a firing range in the back. :P
[20:53] <john_dee> fire|bird: of course it has. it's obama's secret service :p
[20:53] <fire|bird> haha
[20:53] <john_dee> two from each side
[20:53] <lotec> http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/425.jpg
[20:53] <lotec> look at all that meat
[20:53] <fire|bird> john_dee: the compartments on top must be where they toss the bad guys they catch.
[20:54] <fire|bird> lotec: Aww, you and your girl, how sweet.
[20:54] <lotec> fire|bird that is half of her
[20:54] <lotec> there are 4 more sides
[20:55] <john_dee> fire|bird: 5..no..10 doors and firing range. that's what i call a limo
[20:55] <fire|bird> that's alot of loving there lotec
[20:55] <lotec> fire|bird: i know hot huh?????
[20:55] <fire|bird> john_dee: probably has mounted machine guns somewhere.
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[20:55] <fire|bird> lotec: yeah, I bet she does get hot in the summer time. ;)
[20:55] <john_dee> more cushie for the pushy
[20:55] <john_dee> cushy
[20:55] <jeev> peopleofwalmart.com is a collection of firebird's family members photo's
[20:56] <lotec> fire|bird: you have no idea my friend no idea
[20:56] <lotec> jeev: lol ahhaahhahahaa
[20:56] <john_dee> and a rocket launcher. nuclear ^)
[20:56] <thrice`> that's a lie jeev, I've seen your girlfriend on there too
[20:56] <fire|bird> lotec: the air conditioning bill must be horendous.
[20:56] <jeev> thrice`, she's the camera girl
[20:56] <lotec> we just put the windows up
[20:56] <thrice`> true, she couldn't fit in a frame
[20:57] <jeev> uh huh
[20:58] <lotec> ok, i got to go,  Fatty needs more ice
[20:59] <john_dee> now one must feel really cool getting out of this vehicle
[20:59] <john_dee> http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/258.jpg
[20:59] <lotec> http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/3361.jpg
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[21:01] <john_dee> i guess i better go to sleep before i finish this site. gotta save some laugh for later
[21:01] <jeev> hahahahahahah lotec
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[21:02] <jeev> that goes a) does not get ANY money b) does not fuck ANY bitches
[21:02] <john_dee> have a good one, folks
[21:02] <jeev> you too
[21:02] <fire|bird> thrice`: Well, if you stand far enough back, you can get the top half: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=5963 She's holding their love child. ;)
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[21:03] <thrice`> aah, nice :)
[21:03] <thrice`> she's cute jeev
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[21:08] <emma> I was thinking about dual booting slackware. But slackware uses lilo I think. Is it possible to install it so that grub sees it instead?
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[21:09] <jeev> who
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[21:12] <deco> emma: just don't install lilo if you already have grub installed
[21:12] <deco> emma: add slackware to grub
[21:14] <deco> ................
[21:14] <deco> ....
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[21:20] <lotec> so on a serious note,  has anyone seen any instability problems with 13?
[21:20] <fire|bird> nope, not here.
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[21:22] <lotec> using it at work to cross compile a T1 driver, and 12.2 does not have a problem with the compile but 13 kp
[21:23] <caoliver> kp ::= kaput?
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[21:23] <lotec> kernel panic?
[21:23] <caoliver> Yeech!
[21:24] <lotec> like i said 12.2 stock works fine
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[21:25] <caoliver> Any idea where it's panicing?
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[21:25] <hitest> night all
[21:25] <lordkelmain> macavity... is not here. But I'm running with the BFS patch now.
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[21:25] <lotec> later hitest
[21:25] <hitest> later lotec
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[21:26] <thrice`> fire|bird, still messing with fedora ?
[21:26] <caoliver> Wait a sec.  Is this a driver you're trying in the resident kernel that's panicking?
[21:26] <lotec> caoliver, not sure have not checked that far,  just rebotted into 12.2 and worked fine so just kind of let it go,  just 13 seams a little unstable at times
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[21:27] <lotec> caoliver, trying to build the module for the t1 driver
[21:27] <lordkelmain> Time to head home, later all.
[21:27] <lotec> marvel based T1 card
[21:27] <caoliver> And it's dying during the make.
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[21:27] <lotec> lordkelmain, drive safe
[21:28] <lotec> during make yes, and during loading and unloading
[21:28] <caoliver> Not good.  How new is the hardware?
[21:28] <lotec> been out for years,
[21:28] <lotec> 2 maybe 3 now
[21:29] <caoliver> I mean the particular box that's failing.
[21:29] <lotec> crazy part is it works fine in 12.2 no problems at all
[21:29] <lotec> o
[21:29] <lotec> well that is a different stoyr
[21:29] <lotec> story
[21:29] <caoliver> I know.  I'm still thinking about hardware stability.
[21:29] <lotec> box is pretty new, actually one of our production boxes we will be installing at sites soon
[21:30] <caoliver> I few kernels back I had a spurious panics relating to the 4965agn card in my laptop.
[21:30] <lotec> what card is that?
[21:30] <caoliver> But that and a Realtek 8169 driver bug are the only panics I've seen.
[21:31] <caoliver> Intel wireless.
[21:31] <lotec> ok
[21:31] <caoliver> Panics that haven't been about flaky hardware that is.
[21:32] <caoliver> You've seen this panic on more than one box of the given type?
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[21:32] <lotec> caoliver, yeppers tried it on a few different ones,
[21:32] <lotec> only think i did not try and ill have to is, use one of the old hardware boxes see what happens
[21:33] <caoliver> Ok.  That points to the kernel i think.
[21:33] <caoliver> That's a good idea.
[21:34] <caoliver> I'm having to try out 2.6.31.6 'cos the kernel with 13 (and 12.2 for that matter) doesn't support the Attansic Gig-E card that Toshi used.
[21:34] <lotec>  well there is a big difference in them.  hardware is completley different
[21:34] <caoliver> So you're probably looking at kernel driver issues.  Fun.... not!
[21:35] <lotec> that is a pretty new kernel,  just not built in?
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[21:35] <caoliver> That's the head of kernel.org's stable series.
[21:36] <caoliver> I usually update the kernel in my distro during initial install 'cos something or other important is missing from the kernel as shipped.
[21:36] <caoliver> Also, I like to trim stuff down a bit.
[21:36] <caoliver> But I'm weird that way.
[21:36] <lotec> caoliver, yea i know how that goes,  allways something missing
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[21:38] <lotec> my other problem is, i have not installed slackware 13 on a regular computer,  i have it in vmware so not sure how it runs.  i just know 12.2 was solid
[21:38] <caoliver> I think part of it is that my recent purchases were prebuilt boxes (mainly laptops), and there's usually a fly in them thar ointment.
[21:38] <caoliver> Oh.  It's crashing in the VM?
[21:38] <lotec> no not in my vm
[21:38] <lotec> this is on a production box
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[21:38] <caoliver> Ok.   I was thinking that was pretty bad.
[21:39] <lotec> usually running RH5
[21:39] <lotec> on a 4gb compact flash
[21:40] <caoliver> If it's not NDA, what do these boxes do?
[21:40] <lotec> but building in rh is like trying to build in minix,
[21:40] <lotec> networking/phone systems
[21:40] <caoliver> I've not used RH since Redhat 4.1 which I nursed along until 2005.
[21:41] <lotec> well it has not got any better,  still on 2.6.18
[21:41] <caoliver> And part of the project is to try porting to Slack?
[21:42] <lotec> no our old boxes used slackware
[21:42] <lotec> we just cross compile on slack
[21:43] <caoliver> Where does RH5 enter the picture?
[21:43] <lotec> slack was our main OS until we got these governement contracts
[21:43] <caoliver> Ah!
[21:43] <lotec> lol yep
[21:43] <caoliver> Uncle Sam's friendly dept of coercion.
[21:43] <lotec> still use the slack boxes for other places, but this new stuff is all government
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[21:44] <deco> smallgoat_: where's big goat ?
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[21:44] <lotec> o you have no idea,  i just went threw hell for a month getting an ap up and runnin on RH
[21:44] <lotec> tried a USB based one to save space and time,  but with that old kernel just would not work
[21:44] <caoliver> Oh I have an inkling in the small.
[21:45] <deco> lotec: isn't like a rh version supported for like 5-7 years ? lol
[21:45] <lotec> so had to move over to a mini-pci card,  still a pain to get working with the requirements that card had to meet
[21:45] <caoliver> I ran the tech end of a small ISP back in the paleozoic, and after a merger, I got the put out the assinine CEO's fires all the time.
[21:46] <lotec> deco, el5 is the worst os i have ever tried to move threw,
[21:46] <caoliver> So I can sympathize in a small way.
[21:46] <deco> lotec: i bet :/
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[21:46] <deco> lotec: makes debian look new :P
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[21:46] <lotec> stuff is moved around, nothing in the normal places
[21:46] <caoliver> RHEL pronounced "our Hell"
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[21:47] <lotec> using a 2.6.18 kernel with some modules updated to 2.6.26
[21:47] <deco> cocky guy ^
[21:47] <deco> heh
[21:47] <lotec> so when you go to use something, like the USB wifi adpater i was like o this should be easy if it is updated that far,
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[21:49] <lotec> missing libnl 1.1 and so much stuff
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[21:50] <lyrae_girl> hello
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[21:51] <lotec> O a girl
[21:51] <lotec> lyran_girl Hello
[21:52] <lyrae_girl> @_@
[21:52] <lyrae_girl> lotec, hello
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[21:53] <lotec> caoliver, ill try tommorow on the old box, see what happens,  then ill move to the new box again if all goes well  try a new kernel
[21:55] <lyrae_girl> lotec, new kernel?
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[21:55] <caoliver> I think the most annoying thing about a KP is that scrollback doesn't work.
[21:56] <lotec> have to try to do a save to text when i try to build, load and unload see what happens
[21:56] <caoliver> So unless you've set your VGA mode in mucho lines mode, you've lost much of what you needed to see.
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[21:57] <lotec> lyrae_girl: yep that is what it looks like have to build a new kernel
[21:58] <caoliver> lyrae_girl: kernel building builds character.  ;-)
[21:58] <caoliver> ... puts hair on your eyeballs.
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[21:59] <lotec> also gets you deeper into the system, so you can see what is needed and not needed,  also give you a good way to learn linux cmds,  haveing to see what modules you need what you dont need,
[22:00] <mrselfpwn> ping
[22:00] <nooper> pong
[22:00] <caoliver> As I've lamented plenty of times already, it's sad the kernel is so bloody big these days, as it used to be a good study companion when learning to write system applications.
[22:01] <caoliver> Drip!
[22:01] <jg71> have you tried farting instead, caoliver ?
[22:01] <jg71> just a thought
[22:01] <caoliver> Drip!
[22:02] <lotec> caoliver, yea these bzimages are huge but if you look at it, still smaller then what you can get doze or some other os down to
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[22:04] <caoliver> Not so much the bzimages, but when I read Stevens APUE, whenever I got confused, I wound up reading the kernel source relating to the topic at hand.  I'd hate to recommend that now.
[22:06] <antiwire> people whine and complain about lacking hardware support and then when the support finally shows up they whine and complain about bloat?
[22:06] <caoliver> Much of that's in file systems and drivers, but it's still a hell of a lot more complicated than it was a decade back.
[22:06] <lotec> i started playing with linux at the end of 2.2
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[22:07] <caoliver> I like the support, but the complexity makes it harder to study.
[22:07] <deco> .....
[22:07] <deco> ....
[22:07] <antiwire> welcome to a modern system
[22:07] <deco> indeed
[22:07] <antiwire> enjoy your stay
[22:07] <mrselfpwn> sup slackers
[22:07] <caoliver> I started with Linux (slack specifically) back in 1994.
[22:07] <mrselfpwn> muhahahahh
[22:07] <nooper> caoliver: 4.0?
[22:07] <mrselfpwn> hello deco
[22:08] <antiwire> background meant diddly in here. we see that crap far too often
[22:08] <mrselfpwn> g'day antiwire
[22:08] <deco> mrselfpwn: hey
[22:08] <lotec> yea not alot you can do about that,  with bloat comes new features
[22:08] <caoliver> I think it was 0.95 or something like that.  It was from an Infomagic CD set.
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[22:08] <antiwire> here comes nostalgia lane once again
[22:08] <mrselfpwn> caoliver: what complexity?
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[22:09] <caoliver> Hey!  I have the streaks of grey.  I can get nostalgic if I like.   Pbthththt!
[22:09] <lotec> goat what up
[22:09] <deco> i got some grey and i'm 21
[22:09] <mrselfpwn> heh
[22:09] <mrselfpwn> nvm haha
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[22:10] <caoliver> There's a hell of a lot more to the kernel than when I began.  It makes it better from the end user perspective, but there's far more to get your head around if you're studying to kernel source.
[22:10] <mrselfpwn> caoliver: well, glad to have you back around
[22:10] <mrselfpwn> caoliver: yes i agree
[22:10] <mrselfpwn> caoliver: and it's inherant
[22:11] <lotec> i got to get off of here,  i need sleep  talk to you guy slater
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[22:11] <caoliver> Software seems like flypaper.  The bits and bobs get stuck on.
[22:11] <deco> you could say the same thing about video games. wah wah all this 3d stuff is diffcult to study etc..
[22:11] <deco> 2d was easier
[22:11] <deco> ....
[22:12] <caoliver> Actually, Foley and van Dam has most of that stuff.  It's just the hdw APIs that are headachy.
[22:12] <antiwire> I, for one, welcome our new bloat overlords.
[22:13] <mrselfpwn> I'd like to see a Slackware lite distro released and available for one CD.
[22:14] <antiwire> CD1 is 'lite'
[22:14] <mrselfpwn> which includes ncurses and ssh
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[22:14] <mrselfpwn> antiwire: what pkg are included on cd1?
[22:14] <acidtripper> hi guys im making wxcam package via slackbuild and i got this error
[22:14] <acidtripper> configure: WARNING: Cache variable ac_cv_build contains a newline.
[22:14] <antiwire> look at the list that is up at slackware.com
[22:15] <mrselfpwn> antiwire: (I haven't tried) can you install a disk one?
[22:15] <caoliver> mrselfpwn: Is that even possible assuming xz compression?
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[22:15] <acidtripper> someone know to what that error would be related?
[22:16] <mrselfpwn> xz is more compressed from what i understand.
[22:16] <caoliver> Yup.  My understanding is it's basically lzma.
[22:17] <mrselfpwn> yes right right
[22:17] <acidtripper> ?
[22:17] <deco> mrselfpwn: it's just missin gX
[22:17] <deco> missing*
[22:17] <acidtripper> nobody can give me a hand?
[22:17] <caoliver> Nice thing it that it seems at least as good as bz2 and a hell of a lot less resource hungry.
[22:17] <deco> acidtripper: no
[22:18] <acidtripper> deco: why?
[22:18] <deco> mrselfpwn: cd1 even has apache,php and mysql
[22:18] <caoliver> Are we looking at slack cd set here?
[22:18] <mrselfpwn> oh
[22:18] <mrselfpwn> well
[22:19] <deco> mrselfpwn: you can get a working system with no X , with just the first cd
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[22:19] <acidtripper> hey?
[22:19] <mrselfpwn> i've never examined it though probably something that is worth doing.
[22:19] <acidtripper> what's the problem deco?
[22:19] <caoliver> I usually just grab the DVD iso anyhow.
[22:20] <deco> mrselfpwn: i juse cd1 to install slackware and just slackpkg x and any wm i need
[22:20] <deco> i just use*
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[22:20] <mrselfpwn> hm,
[22:20] <XGizzmo> antiwire: That is a warning not an error/
[22:20] <mrselfpwn> that gives me a new aspect
[22:20] <caoliver> deco: nice portmonteau word there, bloke!
[22:20] <fire|bird> XGizzmo: tab completion fail. :)
[22:20] <XGizzmo> yup :)
[22:20] <acidtripper> nobody can help me with that erro?
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[22:21] <mrselfpwn> that is news to me and I will try it deco .
[22:21] <acidtripper> Cache variable ac_cv_build contains a newline.
[22:21] <deco> mrselfpwn: yeah give it a try
[22:21] <XGizzmo> acidtripper: That is a warning not an error/
[22:21] <fire|bird> acidtripper: look at what XGizzmo said, it's NOT an error, it's a warning.
[22:21] <mrselfpwn> :) thanks bud.
[22:21] <acidtripper> fire|bird: but configure stops anyway
[22:21] <mrselfpwn> fire|bird: y0
[22:22] <fire|bird> y0 mrselfpwn
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[22:22] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: how's it going?
[22:23] <acidtripper> maybe is related to arch-slackware-linux on slackbuild
[22:23] <XGizzmo> no, there is nothing wrong with the slackbuild
[22:23] <mrselfpwn> fire|bird: i wish you were here this time of year.  why do you always leave me cold and lonely?
[22:23] <deco> lol
[22:24] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I sent you a snuggie, what more do you want. :P
[22:24] <mrselfpwn> an E-card?
[22:24] <fire|bird> hahaha
[22:24] <XGizzmo> proflowers
[22:24] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: You have to pay for all the good ones these days.
[22:25] <mrselfpwn> yeah, i know. I still owe netscape from last year.
[22:25] <acidtripper> there wouldn't be any problem if a delete that line?
[22:25] <fire|bird> lol
[22:25] <acidtripper> --build=Arch-slackware-linux?
[22:25] <deco> XD
[22:25] <acidtripper> ?
[22:26] <acidtripper> or i must change it with slackware64?
[22:26] <XGizzmo> --build=$ARCH-slackware-linux
[22:27] <mrselfpwn> delete anything in /var and /tmp.  works for me
[22:27] <XGizzmo> acidtripper: did yo read the readme an install all the required builds?
[22:27] <mrselfpwn> as root of course.
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[22:27] <mrselfpwn> ;)
[22:28] <mrselfpwn> don't do that.
[22:28] <mrselfpwn> <filler>
[22:28] <acidtripper> yes i read it, and mjpegtools is the only missing and im compilling it
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[22:28] <acidtripper> again the same error compiling mjpegtools
[22:29] <acidtripper> why?
[22:29] <acidtripper> --build=$ARCH-slackware-linux? to other? i have just installed compat32 libs
[22:29] <acidtripper> maybe related?
[22:30] <antiwire> what?
[22:30] <acidtripper> to that error when compilling?
[22:30] <acidtripper> maybe i have to change build=line
[22:30] <XGizzmo> http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64
[22:31] <acidtripper> lol, only specifing that :D
[22:31] <acidtripper> and now is running make :D
[22:32] <acidtripper> but didn't found libasound
[22:32] <acidtripper> .la
[22:34] <paissad-hp> hi all
[22:34] <paissad-hp> how to set the font of the ttys .. when i do ctrl alt f1 for example for tty1 ?
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[22:39] <XGizzmo> paissad-hp: setconsolefont
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[22:42] <acidtripper> and this libtool: link: `/usr/lib64/libasound.la' is not a valid libtool archive
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[22:55] <acidtripper> i finally compilled gtkam but is for digital cameras
[22:55] <acidtripper> :S
[22:55] <fire|bird> you didn't know it was *before* you compiled it?
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[22:58] <BP{k}> oh come on fire|bird ...
[22:58] <BP{k}> I mean .. the README only specifies this: Gtkam (GTK2 graphical front-end to libgphoto2). libgphoto2 is a portable library which gives access to literally
[22:58] <BP{k}> hundreds of digital cameras.
[22:59] <fire|bird> hahahaha
[22:59] <BP{k}> fire|bird: you have to admit that is a high level of encryption for someone to work through.
[22:59] <fire|bird> BP{k}: indeed ;)
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[23:07] <jeev> justwent 76 kills and 16 deaths i think, last 5 deaths were a rush.. could've avoided. :> i'm so godo
[23:07] <jeev> gewd
[23:07] <jeev> where is straterra
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[23:13] <lordkelmain> Yay, back from first slackware lockup since formatting last weekend.
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[23:14] <acidtripper> someone there know what could i do to solve probelm libasound.la not found?
[23:15] <acidtripper> libtool: link: `/usr/lib64/libasound.la' is not a valid libtool archive
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[23:16] <acidtripper> !topic
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[23:20] <lordkelmain> Yay, back from second lockup.
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[23:21] <BP{k}> acidtripper: when do you get this error?
[23:21] <acidtripper> when compilling mjpegtools
[23:21] <acidtripper> via slackbuild taken from slackbuilds org
[23:24] <acidtripper> :S
[23:25] <powtrix> www.slackbuilds.org
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[23:27] <acidtripper> powtrix, im taking it from there
[23:27] Action: BP{k} starts building mjpegtools
[23:28] <acidtripper> for x86_64?
[23:28] <acidtripper> BP{k}, ?
[23:29] <BP{k}> acidtripper: yes.
[23:29] <acidtripper> ok, lets see how it goes, there's a file missing on lib64, is called libasound.la
[23:29] <veritos> libtool files can burn in hell.
[23:30] <BP{k}> acidtripper: really?
[23:30] <veritos> I have an appreciation for Gentoo's policy of 'TAKE THEM OUT AT ALL COSTS'
[23:30] <BP{k}> acidtripper: well .. lets see shall we... :)
[23:30] <BP{k}> Slackware package /tmp/mjpegtools-1.9.0-x86_64-3_SBo.tgz created.
[23:31] <BP{k}> grep usr/lib64/libasound.la /var/log/packages/*
[23:31] <BP{k}> /var/log/packages/alsa-lib-1.0.18-x86_64-2:usr/lib64/libasound.la
[23:31] <powtrix> $ grep libasound.la /var/log/packages/*
[23:31] <powtrix> /var/log/packages/alsa-lib-1.0.21a-x86_64-1:usr/lib64/libasound.la
[23:31] <powtrix> /var/log/packages/alsa-lib-compat32-1.0.18-x86_64-2:usr/lib/libasound.la
[23:31] Channel flood from powtrix -- kicking
[23:31] <powtrix> /var/log/packages/alsa-lib-compat32-1.0.21a-x86_64-1:usr/lib/libasound.la
[23:31] powtrix kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
[23:31] <veritos> Fail
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[23:32] <powtrix> and Slackware package created.
[23:33] <BP{k}> acidtripper: are you really working on slackware64 .. or are you just trying to get things to work on kwort and trying to get some free support?
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[23:33] <acidtripper> veritos, got same error?
[23:33] <acidtripper> im working on slackware
[23:34] <acidtripper> i use slack as my distro, i do that kwort things to have fun
[23:34] <acidtripper> but i can send you a screenshot if you want ;)
[23:34] <veritos> acidtripper, not specifically here, but it made upgrading X11 to >=1.5 a PITA
[23:35] <acidtripper> http://gonzalo.dnsalias.org/instant%e1nea1.png
[23:36] <BP{k}> acidtripper: and ls -l /usr/lib64/libasound.la doesn't show anything
[23:36] <acidtripper> BP{k}: Can you pass me that package?
[23:36] <acidtripper> i don't know whats failing :S
[23:36] <acidtripper> take a look to the screenshot i sent ;)
[23:37] <acidtripper> maybe is becouse i upgraded to current, really i don't know why i cant compile it
[23:38] <BP{k}> powtrix: you run -current, right (based on your alsa-lib package)?
[23:39] <acidtripper> i run current too
[23:39] <velusip> poor internet, pngs in place of txts
[23:39] <acidtripper> BP{k}, can you send me mjpegtools package or upload it to any place?
[23:39] <acidtripper> couse i need it to use my webcam :(
[23:39] <powtrix> yes
[23:40] <powtrix> acidtripper, install alsa-lib from http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/slackware64/l/
[23:40] <BP{k}> acidtripper: well there is another problem on your box. since powtrix runs -current and could compile mjpegtools ..
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[23:40] <fire|bird> mjpegtools compiled fine on -current here too.
[23:40] <acidtripper> its funny couse i ahve compat32 alsalib but not x86_64 :P
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[23:41] <powtrix> time to get 64-current/ and upgrade your slack :)
[23:41] <acidtripper> im using current !
[23:42] <powtrix> 32-bit?
[23:42] <acidtripper> nope
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[23:42] <acidtripper> 64 with compat32
[23:42] <powtrix> so install alsa-lib
[23:42] <acidtripper> that's what i did
[23:42] <acidtripper> now compilling
[23:43] <BP{k}> acidtripper: by the way, you really need to pay more attention to the error messages. Your libtool error doesn't seem to indicate that the file is actually missing, but rather not in a format that libtool expects.
[23:45] <powtrix> i think to reinstall all compat32 libs :s 2 versions installed
[23:45] <acidtripper> lol, i finished installing them yesterday and now i can use google earth :P
[23:45] <powtrix> ya i was earthing few minutes ago
[23:46] <powtrix> looking Foz do Iguaçu fools :D
[23:46] <acidtripper> i've changed main home pc OS, was windows xp but my brother was bothering couse errors, and i installed ubuntu, i will make it my server, installing lighttpd and php there... in another room so from room to room :P
[23:47] <BP{k}> hm good point I should upgrade the googleearth buildscript to the latest version.
[23:47] <acidtripper> take a look to my city: Neuquen, Argentina
[23:47] <acidtripper> where do you live?
[23:47] <powtrix> Sao Paulo
[23:47] <powtrix> BR
[23:47] <acidtripper> ohh Paulista
[23:47] <acidtripper> im doing to Floripa this summer
[23:47] <powtrix> paulistano*
[23:47] <acidtripper> going*
[23:48] <acidtripper> but there brasilian people call paulista
[23:48] <acidtripper> Slackware package /tmp/mjpegtools-1.9.0-x86_64-3_SBo.tgz created.
[23:48] <powtrix> paulistano = mora na cidade, paulista = mora no interior
[23:48] <acidtripper> thank guys!
[23:48] <acidtripper> ahh
[23:48] <acidtripper> paulistano?
[23:49] <powtrix> live in the city = paulistano, else paulista
[23:49] <acidtripper> voce e uma persoa poco querida
[23:49] <acidtripper> em brasil
[23:49] <acidtripper> i don't remember portuguese
[23:49] <powtrix> all we are
[23:49] <powtrix> heh
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[23:50] <acidtripper> as pesoas do interior critican
[23:50] <acidtripper> i hate them when soccer world cup :P
[23:50] <powtrix> conversa, aqui nao tem frescura ;)
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[23:51] <acidtripper> where are you going on holidays? or just stay there?
[23:51] <powtrix> conhece o inferno? é aqui :)
[23:51] Nick change: si -> Guest7921
[23:51] <acidtripper> naahh fala muito voce
[23:51] <acidtripper> culo roto :P
[23:52] <acidtripper> mm now i get an error in wxcam, frame.h:32:18: error: CImg.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio
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[23:52] <powtrix> vá, los cocos :P
[23:53] <BP{k}> acidtripper: have you got CImg installed?
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[23:53] <acidtripper> nope, looking for it now
[23:53] <BP{k}> acidtripper: why the fuck do you think we provide each slackbuild with a README?
[23:54] <BP{k}> or do you like to purposely waste everybodies time?
[23:54] <acidtripper> for suckers to ask on irc :P sorry
[23:54] <caoliver> Temper!
[23:55] <BP{k}> caoliver: tempers would be tempered if certain persons in this channel stopped being dumb fucking numbnuts and actually actively developped that what is commonly know as a clue. :)
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[23:57] <acidtripper> BP{k}, im a bit sleepy here 02:00 dont be rude with me :P
[23:57] <acidtripper> i built CImg and now Xvidcore
[23:58] <caoliver> BP{k}: That's never acceptable beh.
[23:58] <caoliver> Unloess you wish to be though a boor.
[23:58] <caoliver> Unless... thought...
[23:58] <powtrix> hm i would like to see massconvert32.sh -i slackware/ -o compat32/ --- with '-o'
[23:58] <BP{k}> acidtripper: it's 04:58AM ... your point was exactly what? :)
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[23:59] <EuroTrash> 5:58 I win
[23:59] <caoliver> Then go to sleep!
[23:59] <acidtripper> :P nothing i wanna drink some beer
[23:59] <powtrix> Qui Nov 12 02:48:23 BRST 2009
[23:59] <powtrix> -_-
[23:59] <BP{k}> EuroTrash: hehe .. dam you continentals ;)
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