[00:00] Reticenti, http://www.slackbook.org/html/package-management-making-tags-and-tagfiles.html for a bit of a readup if you're interested [00:00] v3gard: you could always write a scipt for it... [00:00] i'm thinking for i in *; do takescreenshot [some input]; done; [00:00] v3gard browse freshmeat [00:00] thanks veritos [00:01] Quiznos: not to be rude or anything, but I read you the first time :) I wanted to know if someone here might have used something similar earlier so I wouldn't have to waste several hours checking freshmeat or slackbuilds or what not [00:01] just use at [00:02] k [00:02] v3gard: "watch --interval=10s scrot" ;) [00:03] BP{k}: but I [00:03] although that would mean you to have the movie running all the time I suppose. [00:03] BP{k}: that's what hiptobecubic suggested :P [00:03] BP{k}: but I'd still have to watch the movie in 1x [00:03] movie marathon time then [00:03] BP{k}: what about the option of having mutliple xsessions running each with a different movie and script? [00:04] mfillpot: that seems like a waste of resources ;-) [00:04] v3gard repeating is not limited to stuttering; it's also emphasis. [00:05] godling: I know ;) [00:05] I've used something similar before with mplayer. what I did then was to take regular screenshots from a webcam located at /dev/video [00:05] v3gard: not really any idea then, seems you need two things 1) something that fastforward the movie for $INTERVAL, followed by a screenshot. if software supports it, it should be relatively easily to script. [00:06] BP{k}: Do you know how I could change the desktop behavior (like dragging stuff from the desktop to thunar) from copy to move? [00:07] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [00:08] fire|bird: hold the shift key? [00:08] booteco (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) joined ##slackware. [00:09] BP{k}: \o/, thanks. :) [00:10] Action: godling smells Windows [00:11] I guess I can't think of a better way to change behavior like that, though. [00:11] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [00:11] Does anyone know if anyone has ported lxde to slackware yet in a slackbuild? [00:11] if what's been ported? [00:11] mfillpot: alienBOB's repo has lxde [00:11] too many 'anyone's [00:11] fire|bird: thanks, I was thinking of taking that on, but if alienbob has it then I can't do betters [00:12] Quiznos: I know I was thinking about that before I pressed send [00:12] booteco (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) left irc: Client Quit [00:12] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:13] isn't LXDE qt based? [00:13] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Dominian: GTK [00:13] It looks like an old build, I may jump on it to test if it ready for 13.0 [00:14] deco: ah [00:14] Dominian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lxde :P [00:14] yeah reading now ;) [00:14] Dominian: yes you are too lazy :P [00:14] lxde ---> http://imagebin.org/63107 [00:14] nah.. just don't care ;) [00:14] omgwtfgtfobbq [00:15] lol [00:15] sup guys [00:15] fire|bird: where is your pink one ? :P [00:15] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:16] i have 11 windows open, after 2 days away, its like this, 1 is grey, 2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 3 is ##slackware where i leave it open [00:16] deco: Ugh, don't remind me: http://imagebin.org/63103 <---How they think that is red I have no idea. :/ [00:16] another thing I have been thinking about the testing microxwin, has anyone given it a test run yet? [00:16] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-147-167.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:17] spook: only 11? ha [00:17] Dominian: yeah :( [00:20] my XFCE volume manager plugin doesnt control the sound when I scroll the mousewheel up and down [00:20] It doesnt affect the master sound at all [00:20] redtricycle: you can change what it controls [00:20] ah, how? [00:21] redtricycle: right click on it and select properties [00:21] :P [00:21] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:21] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:21] you can also do it from the configuration file [00:21] Mixer track says Master. [00:21] and it doesnt do it [00:22] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:22] What is the variable $ARCH referring to in a Slackbuild? [00:22] Okay, I moved it away from Master and to PCM [00:22] an dit works [00:22] thanks godling; it pointed me in the right direction [00:22] the cpu family [00:22] yeah whatever :P [00:22] I know it's architecture, but is it x86_64 or x86_64-pc-linux-gnu? [00:23] It's on master on my desktop, and manipulates the master volume control swimmingly [00:23] nod [00:23] it use to do that for me on 32-bit [00:23] latest update to Slackware all sorts of stuff breaking... [00:23] by breaking, I mean not working out of the box -_- [00:23] kevin01123, it should be x86_64. It's typically given a default value in official SlackBuilds [00:23] Hardware drivers probably... [00:24] veritos: It's not defined in the one I'm looking at. Is it safe to replace $ARCH with x86_64 then? [00:25] kevin01123: can you point us to the slackbuild you are referring to? [00:25] mfillpot, beat me to the punch [00:25] quit [00:25] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:28] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [00:28] veritos: whoops, I'm wrong on that, local.options is just version, it is KDE.options [00:28] kevin01123: local.options in the amarok src dir on that site you gave and KDE.options in the kde dir on that site. [00:28] does anyone use Schilly's Smake? [00:29] I use my schilly smake all the time [00:29] orly? [00:30] yup [00:30] what's your opine of it? [00:30] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:31] it's hard at first, but after awhile, it's a lot softer [00:31] have you replaced any pkg makefiles with Smakefile? [00:31] i was making a penis joke :3 [00:31] woosh [00:32] that's what she said [00:32] indeed [00:32] i knew you were decieving me [00:32] thanks for wasting my time [00:32] D: [00:33] gth [00:33] You're on IRC. Weren't you already wasting your own time? [00:33] lol [00:33] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [00:34] i expect truth in certain situations; this is one, and to my questions here i expect it also. [00:34] i have to be mean to you Quiznos, I work at one of your competitors [00:34] but i knew he was decievingme when he first answered. [00:34] godling, I'm sorry, sir, please don't fire me! [00:35] Quiznos: Well if you knew he was deceiving you and you let it continue then again you've got nobody but yourself to blame. :P [00:35] dfhhjf (n=none@83-223-181-40.cpe.netmadeira.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] pcallycat (n=dad@97.121.8.82) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:35] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:35] Oh man, I'm installing Steam and TF2 [00:35] Reticenti: haha, you work at Subway? :P [00:35] I hope it works. [00:35] nope [00:36] Last year, it didnt work and I gave up [00:36] I have high hopes now [00:36] *excited* [00:36] fire|bird: a localish sandwich shop [00:36] Reticenti: where at? drive Quiznos out of business so he can't afford the Internet. :P [00:36] veritos: as long as you start working immediately on those TPS reports... [00:36] Reticenti: ah, a local plae [00:36] place [00:36] fire|bird: port of subs [00:36] cool [00:36] it's a west coast chain [00:37] What's west coast? [00:37] west coast usa biatches [00:37] I think that's where the lizard people live. [00:37] nope, just lots of mexicans [00:37] Someone's been reading Terry Brooks!? [00:38] oh some unnamed company, I thought you were saying that Quiznos or Subway was west coast. [00:38] oh no [00:38] who? [00:38] the sub shop i work at is west coast only [00:38] togos [00:39] I've never been to Togos. [00:39] capriotties ? :D [00:39] that's in vegas [00:39] CA, OR, WA, NV, UT, ID, and AR [00:39] *Togo's [00:39] capriotties [00:39] scroll up, i told you the place lol [00:39] AZ* [00:39] penissubs [00:39] how'd you know? [00:40] port of subs eh [00:40] yup [00:40] and i work at the one on campus at my uni, so it's pretty good [00:40] ahaha [00:40] campus food places suck [00:40] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-147-167.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] Action: veritos is happy that Jimmy John's delivers to his office [00:41] uhh [00:41] not really jeev [00:41] makes working on R-HEL boxes slightly more enjoyable sometimes [00:41] what h-rel? [00:42] Red Hat Enterprise Linux [00:42] redhat enterprise [00:42] RHEL [00:42] Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Pronounced "r hell" by some of us [00:42] yeah [00:42] ah [00:42] red carp expensive linux [00:42] how is r-hel different from your various other distros/ [00:43] Reticenti, We use a version that is still supported but everything's old, so very little compiles straightaway. [00:43] ah [00:43] Add a finicky backup system and it makes my job interesting, to say the least [00:44] do you have a college degree? [00:44] Reticenti, in school now. My job is actually for my uni though [00:44] ah, ok [00:45] what major? [00:45] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:45] CS [00:45] me too :) [00:45] what're the odds? ;P [00:45] lol [00:46] are you learning programming stuff, or more networking stuff? [00:46] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Software [00:46] ah [00:47] the cs program here is programming in c++ [00:47] I can't wait to take the secure communications class at my uni. I really like the professor who teaches it. [00:47] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-15-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] i can't wait to take compilers [00:47] lol. [00:47] We're a Java school on the CS front :( [00:47] :( [00:47] i dislike java [00:47] veritos: us too :/ [00:47] haa [00:48] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:48] Reticenti, amen to that. Also, our compilers instructor has a beard that hasn't been shaved in 34 years [00:48] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:48] today i got to learn about pointers [00:48] damn [00:48] thats crazy [00:48] We refer to the class as being taught by "$name's beard" [00:48] we're a java initially, then whatever you want to use 2nd year onwards [00:48] Reticenti: what year are you? [00:48] 3rd year in school 1st year in cs major :P [00:48] sounds like first year [00:48] yeah [00:49] i'm a 4th year in a 3 year degree lol [00:49] its the second semester of cs [00:49] heh [00:49] i'm going to be a super-super senior i think [00:49] doesnt help that I've changed my major twice... [00:50] has anyone setup MS AD with BIND9 DNS? [00:50] Reticenti, bah, i wasted two years trying to get into the major then they let me in on the last possible attempt before i was required to declare [00:50] veritos: that sucks, i'm technically a chem major atm, but they dont care what classes I take, so I'm jsut taking the CS load atm [00:51] knoxville: I know AD is heavily dependent on DNS, but I couldn't tell you if it matter how DNS is provided within the AD environment... [00:51] Ah. We're not allowed to take the CSE classes intended for majors until we're in, which served as a fairly effective spanner in the works [00:52] LSD`, I know it is possible to run AD with the support of BIND9 only, just looking for some good docs [00:52] firedix (n=firedix@host126.201-252-136.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] veritos: as long as you have the pre-reqs, you can take any class at my uni. We also have a seperate program for CS and CSE [00:54] we have a degree program for computer science, then a major under the engineering degree program for software engineering [00:55] ah [00:55] all the computer stuff at my uni is under the college of engineering [00:56] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) left irc: "leaving" [00:56] Ours is weird, it's the CSE department with CS under the college of arts and sciences and CompE (both software and hardware) under engineering [00:56] That way they get MORE money! [00:57] (Not complaining, though) [00:59] thats crazy [00:59] well, anyways, i gtg [00:59] fare thee well, then [00:59] i have to rad Galileo [00:59] read* [00:59] what fun! [00:59] indeed [00:59] what is better MS DNS or BIND9 DNS? [00:59] gotta love core humanities [01:00] djbdns! [01:00] haha [01:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] haha my ass [01:00] Action: jeev punches rob0 [01:00] djb as in qmail djb? [01:00] LSD`, the very same [01:00] yea [01:00] djbdns = 31337 [01:00] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Yeah, it's an incomplete DNS implementation. [01:01] also works perfectly and doesn't have it's days in bugtraq [01:01] can you get djbdns to work with MS AD? [01:01] rob0: I bet you can't convince him of that, heh [01:01] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:01] knoxville, i think you're in the wrong chan! [01:01] but you guys are the smartest ones! [01:02] Call MS Support for questions about Windows. [01:02] The thing is, I'd have to charge you money to answer stuff like that. [01:02] if you can get AD to work with DJBDNS, then you get nerd cred among us. [01:02] User117 (n=User@203-219-131-38.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:02] veritos, that is more than money to me [01:02] knoxville: but some of us (like me) despise windows and stay away from it because of undocumented problems like yours [01:02] hey if you guys are bored try facebook zombies game:D - http://apps.facebook.com/zombies/links.php?r=719927515&nref=st [01:02] User117 (n=User@203-219-131-38.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [01:03] You'd have to patch djbdns, because it doesn't have native LDAP support. [01:03] someone kline that fag [01:03] or gline [01:03] or gayline [01:03] mfillpot, this is true but the majority of the world uses MS [01:03] Still, your questions do not belong here. [01:03] can i switch the kernel in the slackware install setup? or is it better to just switch it after i've installed it? [01:03] knoxville: you're in the part of the world with the minority that doesn't. [01:03] This channel is not for the majority of the world. [01:04] knoxville: also the majority of the world are braindead consumers trained by advertising rather than knowledge [01:04] i_is_cat, switch it after [01:04] jw because i will be installing slack 13 on sat and am limited on time.. [01:04] and need the 2.6.31 kernel apparently [01:04] rob0: fetchez la vache! [01:04] mooOOOOoooooooooooooo BOING! [01:04] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:04] veritos, alrighty i guess i'll have to do that then good thing its a core2duo heh shouldnt take tooooo long [01:05] i_is_cat, or you could run the install as usual, `chroot /mnt`, build the 2.6.31 kernel, and then set up LILO for the new kernel. [01:05] knoxville: MS has it's place, but it's place in not in my heart. Too many problems without enough information to adequately resolve them. If you can get it done you deserve credit, but some like me don't touch AD with a ten foot pole. [01:05] although i'd still leave an option for LILO to get the slackware-provided kernel just in case bad things happen [01:05] mmm ya well its good to play it safe [01:05] mfillpot. LMAO [01:06] are there any docs on how to optimize boot times in slackware ? [01:06] r/win 31 [01:06] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:06] i_is_cat, be sure to set 'compact' in lilo.conf if possible, that is the main timesink [01:07] that's the only thing that i can think of, though [01:07] hmmmmmm alright i'll check that out thanks veritos [01:07] no sweat. good luck [01:09] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc652109b.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [01:10] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [01:10] knoxville: do you have any questions that we would want to answer? [01:10] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:11] which would you prefer if given the option djbDNs or BIND9? [01:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:11] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.151) joined ##slackware. [01:12] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Well that's a fair question I suppose. [01:12] (Assuming you mean to run djbdns or BIND on Slackware.) [01:13] of course, is there really any other OS? [01:13] sure [01:14] i think you qualify for windows millenium edition [01:14] it's the latest and greatest. [01:14] I strongly dislike DJB's "extras", like his daemontools package. If you install daemontools according to instructions, you can have big troubles, such as in runlevel 1. [01:14] I persoally prefer win 3.1 over ME [01:14] jeev, are we really cruel enough to suggest that even in jest? [01:15] veritos, ABSOLUTELY! [01:15] Action: veritos runs like hell [01:15] djbdns works for most purposes, but again, it's not a complete implementation, so if you need things like notifies, it won't work. [01:15] rob0, yeah the documnetation looked pretty shotty too IMO [01:17] djbdns for life!!!!!!! [01:17] Master/slave works very well in BIND. You should keep your eyes open for security problems, but for the most part it's safe. [01:17] man, back in my sexy days [01:17] djbdns is probably less vetted for bugs. [01:17] i haxored so many people through bind! [01:18] Action: veritos is amused that Pat posted updates to BIND all the way back to version 8 of Slackware [01:18] used to be such a fat fuck too [01:19] jeev: are you suggesting a correlation? [01:19] no, only that if you sit behind the computer like i did.. [01:19] you'd be a fatso too [01:19] but i grew out of it [01:20] user9399 (n=user5306@76.250.190.56) left irc: "Leaving" [01:21] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:21] I did run djbdns awhile, and I thought it was cool, but it held me back from learning about DNS. With BIND, you learn. But maybe that's not your goal ... [01:22] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [01:22] what is there to learn? [01:23] I'm learning new stuff all the time, what do you mean by that? [01:23] with bind ? [01:23] jeev: perhaps he means "new to him" [01:23] If you don't already know how DNS works, bind is better for learning it. I don't see how that's unclear. [01:23] Well, sometimes I stumble onto something I didn't already know about BIND and DNS, sure. [01:24] hey! maybe i'm out of date! [01:24] i've used bind, i still use it elsewhere [01:24] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:24] but i dont see what you learn, like new features? :) [01:24] crappy thing with djbdns is [01:24] jeev: man, I learn old stuff all the time - just because its been around for a while doesn't mean everyone gets around to learning it right away [01:24] it's really difficult to add new things like [01:24] Like what different RR types do ... what the SOA means ... how resolution works ... [01:25] yea i guess [01:25] i thought you meant new stuffs [01:25] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:25] Here is a question for the group, for what tasks would an implementation of IEEE Std 802.15.4 (Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Network) be useful? [01:25] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:26] BTW it's quite possible to run djbdns without the daemontools monstrosity, but at the time I tried it, I didn't know, I just followed the instructions. [01:26] daemontools doesn't bother me on bsd [01:26] mfillpot: as I understand it, it sounded like something a research facility might use, or something a utility company doing testing of remote monitoring devices might use [01:27] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [01:28] rworkman: yeah it seems a bit fuzz, I was thinking it may be used to send updated rules to network hardware via a secondary low bandwidth network so the security and config info isn't transmitted with the standard data. But that is on;y my guess of a useful implementation. [01:31] xiws13 (n=xiws13@119.4.32.90) joined ##slackware. [01:33] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.8) joined ##slackware. [01:35] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.8) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:35] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.169) joined ##slackware. [01:36] can't believe simpsons movie sucked that much [01:36] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:37] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [01:37] xiws (n=xiws13@119.4.34.36) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:40] wow, no one else has any ideas about WPAN uses? [01:42] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:42] sensor networks? [01:43] spook: please elaborate [01:43] no? [01:43] hi people [01:43] hi Thom1 [01:48] personal area networks are useful if you want to invade another planet and set up an outpost. [01:48] lol [01:49] godling: lol... these only have a 10 meter transmission range, so I can see definate limitations. [01:49] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:51] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-94.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:53] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:54] wpans are great for spy movies [01:55] s/are/would be/ [01:55] you wouldn't even have to see who's sending you information. [01:56] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-67-127-57-193.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-127-52-207.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:57] it's too quiet in here [01:57] dioz_mio (i=test@88.242.160.15) left irc: [01:58] mfillpot, when i get it loud.. i get kicked [01:58] embrace the silence [01:58] jeev: I know, I've seen it a couple times [01:58] 0_o [01:58] it's never my fault [01:59] jeev: you just type way toooo fast [01:59] at least the one with the windows Ad question is gone, but he was fun to taunt [02:00] lol [02:00] yea, he will be back [02:00] of course, but we gave him some good knocks before he found the door [02:01] it is funny, in numerous books and tutorials about distros I see the line "if all else fails go to the slackware IRC, just do you r research first" at least people understand that we know our stuff, but I never expected a windows questions to arrise here. [02:02] heh, it happens all the time [02:02] i bitch about my windows vista system all the tmie [02:02] time [02:02] ew :P [02:02] I have to use MS all day long at work and script in Vb, the last thing I want is that crap to come up outside of work. [02:02] user51 (n=hr@117.200.54.89) joined ##slackware. [02:03] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [02:03] with my work and the system repair I do there is no question why I don't use it at home [02:04] it's not that bad. [02:04] i dunno, i just love the thought of using it on my personal computer but i cant [02:04] i can put it on laptops and office computers but [02:04] i dont use them often [02:04] my greatest issues are the corruption issue when using SMB over low bandwidth connections, and those damn updates that don't tell you they are disabling features you use [02:04] smb is gay [02:05] smb is dumb as hell, whenever possible I try to force http or ftp communications instead [02:06] for most of the crap issues I get my only response is "yeah windows does that" [02:06] what do you do mfillpot? [02:07] godling, he's the head fry cook at mcdonalds [02:07] sweet [02:07] i bet you get all the bitches [02:07] :P [02:08] I do database and document interopperability development along with psuedo automation (because in windows aull automation is not really possible) [02:08] heh [02:08] s/aull/full/ [02:08] mail_ (n=chatzill@74.002.hdsl.mel.iprimus.net.au) left ##slackware. [02:09] when something on the network dies or data is corrupted or the computers magically reboot automation is fried [02:10] woo [02:10] hey, the computer reboots itself for you - isn't that automation ? [02:10] haha [02:10] lol, I know my bosses are tired of hearing me say that if they give me a slackware box with bash and mysql installed most of my issues would disappear [02:11] yeah, that wouldn't make their MS stock go up very well [02:11] rk4n3: the computer reboots because it received pushed updates in the middle of the night that require a reboot, it is still triggered by and ID10T [02:12] mfillpot: ah, bummer - just trying to find the silver lining :) [02:12] mostly I hate standard users, the greatest point of aggrivation is hearing "Can you highlight and bold this for me", damn it they should accept csv files and customize them themselves [02:13] grazymax (n=grazymax@host234-25-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:13] I honestly think I am on the upper echelon of MS haters [02:13] grazymax (n=grazymax@host11-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:14] mfillpot: seriously dude ... [02:14] the only silver lining is that my favorite server runs on unix and never has issues, but getting to it can be a problem [02:14] Bassist (n=bass@mnch-5d8557b0.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Hey all, anyone know a good foo2zjs slackbuild? [02:14] mfillpot: you're in a channel that occaisionally shows contempt for ubuntu users - I don't think you'll find much MS love here [02:14] I've found one but it's a bit bunk [02:15] can i haz moar whine? [02:15] how can i force a something to open an X program on my computer over ssh? [02:15] fix it and make it not suck :) [02:15] I go off on ubuntu users also, they are nearly as lazy and their distro is almost as glitchy [02:15] godling: I tried :) [02:16] Ret, you need to run an X server on your local and use X-forwarding with your ssh connection [02:16] oh [02:16] Reticenti: google dood [02:16] "tunnel X over SSH" :) [02:16] redtricy1le: You start by allowing the ssh server to foward x11 [02:17] so it has to be enabld on the computer I'm ssh to? [02:17] yes [02:17] ok [02:17] Reticenti: it has to be on the computer that will run the app, not the one that will be displaying the app [02:17] the server, yes [02:17] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:17] well, looks like i have to do some convoluted stuff to get some files off of a server [02:18] haha [02:18] sshd (the ssh server you connect to) has to allow X11 forwarding [02:18] it's really not that hard :P [02:18] http://people.csail.mit.edu/wentzlaf//faq/ssh_X.html [02:18] i dont think they allow that [02:18] i'm sshing into my uni's linux lab for some files i need [02:18] try it with "ssh -X user@host" [02:18] th [02:18] they may allow it [02:18] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [02:18] hi [02:19] ok guys, thank for listening to my rants [02:19] something like the line: X11Forwarding yes [02:19] taking off mfillpot ? [02:19] stupid space [02:19] quick question, my uptime is around 8 days, when i leave my computer on IN kde, it slows down considerably after a while, like opening files, etc, why is that? i have to exit kde and start it again (after a hour) and then it will be fast again [02:19] they dont allow it [02:19] godling: I should go to bed soon, but wil lstay up for a few more minutes, I and just feeling better after unloading [02:19] so i have to ssh into it, then scp from the ssh to get it on my computer lol [02:20] surrealgirl: quantum tunnelling? [02:20] surreal, it has probably gotten tired. give it some RedBull(tm) [02:20] surrealgirl: No idea my computer has been running kds for 48 days with no problems. [02:20] kde [02:20] Reticenti: does your school have a vpn? [02:20] mine does [02:20] Reticenti: why do you eant to run a program on the other computer instead of just running scp to get the files? [02:20] nope [02:20] Reti what exactly do you want to achieve? [02:20] godling, whats quantum tunneling? [02:21] mancha, ok where would i pour red bull in? :D [02:21] mfillpot: the way their system is setup, i cant run scp from my computer [02:21] i just need files on their server [02:21] XGizzmo, really? hitting uptime in console tells you you have 48 dyas? [02:21] do you really want have firefox (for example) run on the remote and display on your local (via ssh) ? [02:21] i need to edit an odt file [02:21] you don't need to tunnel X to get files from a remote [02:21] 02:21:51 up 7 days, 9:02, 13 users, load average: 0.16, 0.47, 0.45 [02:21] Reticenti: just scp from their server to your box [02:21] Reticenti: no need to ssh first [02:22] Reticenti: if the files are open your your account and they have ssh enabled you an use filezilla for a gui based download [02:22] i cant rk4n3 becuase of how they have their linux lab setup [02:22] odd [02:22] if you already have an ssh account: scp user@remote:/path/to/file /path/on/localbox [02:22] Reticenti: if you can ssh to the box, you can scp from it [02:22] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-15-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:22] haha wrong server [02:22] basically, how it works is that i first log into a temp computer, and then i log in again and get assigned to a specific computer [02:22] surrealgirl: I don't think kde is the issue a program running KDE may have some memory handling issues, do you leave firefox open when you are away? [02:22] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-73-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] gizzmo@slacker:~$ uptime [02:22] 02:21:44 up 48 days, 6:26, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.12 [02:23] mfillpot, yes! [02:23] Reticenti: ah, jumpstation [02:23] Reticenti: is there a reason you can't vi the files on the remote machine ? [02:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:23] but i jsut sshed into their computer, and scped thefiles to my computer [02:23] surrealgirl: we all know firefox still needs to work on their memory handling, the longer it runs, the more memory it consumes [02:23] surrealgirl: you want me to explain quantum tunnelling to you? :P [02:24] godling, sure [02:24] mfillpot, okie dokie that is new to me, ty [02:24] surrealgirl: Are you sure? :P [02:24] don't provoke godling, he is in a mood today [02:24] surrealgirl: Lots of slick Physics coming up [02:24] Reticenti: yeah, I get the deal there now [02:24] Bassist, sue i dont mind [02:24] i am? [02:24] sure [02:24] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:24] Reticenti: so can you just vi the files on the remote server ? [02:24] i love special physics [02:24] pm me [02:25] rk4n3: i need to edit an odt file, so not really [02:25] ah [02:25] at some point can you ssh to the final destination? [02:25] its fine guys, i got it figured out [02:25] if yes, at that point use scp not ssh [02:25] i jsut did the ssh backwards [02:25] yeah, that works [02:25] hss? [02:25] yes :P [02:26] surrealgirl: Ok so picture an electron that's shielded by some barrier (simpler: Electron in a box). Usually a classical particle could not escape from the box, but a quantum mechanical particle still has a probability of appearing outside the space it should be in [02:26] Bassist, ah, thats it? [02:26] surrealgirl: It's basically why nuclear decay works [02:27] Reticenti: given the jumpstation approach your access has, that's probably the best you're going to get. If its alot of files, use rsync instead of scp [02:27] its just a few files [02:27] jumpstation is an auth firewall, so it becomes a 2-step process to get to the final place right? [02:27] yeah [02:27] surrealgirl: Yeah, that's basically it, in the simplest possible words, without any mathematics :P [02:27] xiws13 (n=xiws13@119.4.32.90) left irc: Connection timed out [02:27] Bassist, hm?! nuclear decay? what does that have to do with quantum tunneling? i thought nuclear particles were big enough to be ruled by the laws of physics and not quantum physics [02:27] but once you auth with jumpstation you can ssh to the final place right? [02:28] xiws13 (n=xiws13@119.4.33.184) joined ##slackware. [02:28] surrealgirl: Nope. No nucleus is that large [02:28] once i do the jumpstation, i have to do my pw again to get to a specific compy [02:28] surrealgirl: Besides, it's the tunneling of the nucleus' building blocks that causes it to decay [02:28] Bassist: it just jumps to a different dimension with out a barrier. :P [02:29] in the same jumpstation connection or a separate connection? [02:29] XGizzmo: No extra dimensions involved, sorry :P [02:29] and then from there i can scp upload to my home compy [02:29] same jump, mancha [02:30] i think, i dont need to do anymore commands, mancha, just enter in my pw again [02:30] ViN86 (i=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-FOUR-THIRTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [02:30] any php gurus [02:31] whoa interesting.. [02:31] jeev: what do you need ? [02:31] i have a php script that i guess is: $sql = "select * from tblusers WHERE username = '.$username.'"; but how do i make it select * from tblusers WHERE username = 'username' in php ? [02:31] ah okay. sounds like a pita where the admin has to provide you with file space on the jumpstation and you would have to do the transfer in 2 steps (or upload as you did) [02:31] I'm out.. Got foo2zjs to work. See ya [02:31] Bassist (n=bass@mnch-5d8557b0.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] mancha: once i got into the real rmeote system, scp upload worked flawlessly [02:32] jeev: you have to set up your database connection, set up your statement object, call it with your query string, and then use the results object to get the data from... is that the kind of info you're looking for ? [02:32] no [02:32] ;) [02:32] OK, be more specific then :) [02:32] surrealgirl: hi jane [02:33] ... or rather, ask a more specific question... [02:33] hi spook [02:33] sec [02:33] surrealgirl: hows things? [02:33] good spook :) learned two new things today, quantum tunneling and firefox sucks as usual [02:34] got it rk4n3, i had to remove the dots. [02:35] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:35] surrealgirl: tehehe. [02:36] jeev: why did you put the dots in the query statement anyway? [02:36] jeev: ah, or you could have added quotes: "select * from tblusers where username = '".$username."'" [02:37] whats this? php? [02:37] ... the dots were to append the variable after the first string and before the last, but instead you just embedded the variable in the string [02:37] spook: indeed :) [02:38] . is the concatenation operator in PHP. however it doesn't work inside strings. you however in " delimited strings just directly use $variables. in ' delimited strings you cannot. [02:38] surrealgirl: a good rule of thumb is to turn off any apps you are not running, leaving them open just increased the potential of someone or something taking advantage of a vulnerability and a webbrowser usually has many. you can just do that I do and tell KDE to restore your session on next login. so when you log out the memory is cleared, but when you log back in the apps open up in the same state as they previously wer [02:38] e. [02:39] mfillpot, hm.. shit i didnt think of that [02:39] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] heh [02:39] spook: thanks for the explanation [02:39] can i just say that kword is pretty terrible [02:40] Nick change: oahong -> samigarus [02:40] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [02:40] Action: spook used to hang out in a php channel. [02:40] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-218-222.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:41] why? [02:41] :P [02:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSqhpnRNyK4 [02:41] i did a lot of php programming when i was younger, and i liked the people in there. [02:42] I've never been a fan of PHP. [02:42] i got banned for 'trolling' by one of the less 'stable' ops about 2+ years ago [02:42] were you trolling? [02:42] lol, my friend just msgs me and asks what copy in vim is, i tell him, and he says it doesnt work. then he msgs me a few minutes later and says, "oh, I thought it was :yy" [02:42] lmao [02:43] godling: probally? i dont remember [02:43] hahahaha if everytime a man i hired to my house is like that, id hire them again and again and again [02:44] surrealgirl: lol, that was creepy [02:44] o_O [02:45] that was HILARIOUS [02:45] lol [02:45] "UGH HARD PIPE UGH!!!!" [02:45] Channel flood from surrealgirl -- kicking [02:45] xD [02:45] surrealgirl kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:45] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [02:45] die slackboy [02:45] lol [02:45] lol, I love watching that happen [02:46] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [02:47] greets [02:47] hola [02:47] yo [02:47] neonflux (n=mrjones@ip67-152-80-228.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:47] and i always read your name milfpot [02:48] Reticenti: at least I know what kind of thoughts are dominate in your mind [02:48] indeed [02:49] how many freudians does it take to screw in the peni~ i mean lightbulb [02:49] sometimes a penis is just a cigar [02:49] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.166) joined ##slackware. [02:49] sex? [02:49] i mean six [02:50] ##slackofftopic is another good place to hang out :) [02:50] its too early for me for this kind of conv, havent had coffe yet [02:50] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.166) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:50] alisonken1noc: I'm there. :P [02:51] really? [02:51] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] The-Croupier: actually I'm here. [02:51] no im here [02:51] where [02:51] right here [02:51] ;) [02:51] Action: godling points [02:51] my ip address is 127.0.0.1 [02:51] ohhh there you are [02:51] lulz [02:51] :) [02:51] :P [02:52] Reticenti, omg.. so is mine [02:52] oh noes [02:52] ARE YOU ME??? [02:52] are you me too?! [02:52] maybe you're just a spam bot running on my computer [02:52] Reticenti: no your ip address can be gotten from this: reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com [02:52] :p [02:52] heh [02:52] i need to proxy that [02:53] Action: spook is 2002:ca59:a790::1 [02:53] #freenode [02:53] Action: godling dies a little inside [02:53] godling: yo [02:53] Reticenti: just get a cloak. :P [02:53] godling: why man [02:53] how do i cloak in irssi? [02:53] Reticenti: you go to #freenode and ask for one. [02:53] ah [02:53] there was a manual of that somewhere ...its been so long though [02:53] Action: alisonken1noc is ::1/128 [02:53] i should setup ipv6 permanently on my network. [02:53] alisonken1noc: lol. [02:54] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-188.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:54] alisonken1noc: noooooo really [02:54] ;) [02:54] :) [02:54] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] from ca59:a790 you can get my ipv4 address [02:54] Reticenti: you begin your request to the server lords with the phrase "oh great and mighty masters of the network" [02:54] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:54] they like that [02:55] dood [02:55] godling: lol, let me guess, you are one of those ;) [02:55] ok - an alternate is fe80::214:6cff:fec1:9cfd/64 [02:55] I was just out on a mountain bike ride with four people and a cops stopped us [02:55] no [02:55] but if I were [02:55] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:55] godling: yeah..you would like that phrase right? [02:55] antiwire: did you put a cap in his ass [02:55] he said that our head lights draw attention to us at night.... [02:55] uhhh [02:56] orly? our light draw attention to us? [02:56] antiwire: did you tell him that is kind of the point? [02:56] kpr (n=kpr@unaffiliated/kpr) joined ##slackware. [02:56] no shit [02:56] antiwire: lol [02:56] isnt that the point of head lights [02:56] that is indeed the point of lights [02:56] echoes [02:56] no guys, thats not the point of the lights [02:56] Action: surrealgirl loves kalarm and korganizer [02:56] in australia, it is against the law to ride at night without lights at both the front and back of the bike [02:57] the point of the lights is that you can see the road.. thats it.. who do you think you are,,, you show off...blah blah blah :p [02:57] was someone actually looking for their external ip address? [02:57] antiwire: was he an ugly cap [02:57] mfillpot: no. [02:57] mfillpot: I hope not. [02:57] not really but it was hilarious [02:57] mfillpot: definately not [02:57] he let us go without taking names or anything. it was awesome [02:57] did you say "no shit" to the officer? [02:58] so will my cloak be active anytime i signed onto freenode? [02:58] They don't like it when you talk that way to them. I know. [02:58] He exact words were " are you some sort of bike gang?" [02:58] no joke [02:58] haha [02:58] antiwire: you should have said... "really? ohhh man sorry ill turn them off right away..." [02:58] wtf [02:58] antiwire: you should have all started snapping your fingers [02:58] you are basically registering your account here Reticenti [02:58] totally serious; our head lights draw attention and are we a bike gang [02:58] ... [02:59] antiwire: how many of you? [02:59] four [02:59] 4 [02:59] was he drunk? maybe he was seeing it double [02:59] lol [02:59] that was awesome [02:59] the est pull over evar [02:59] b*] [02:59] wait [02:59] he was in a car? [02:59] yeah [02:59] lol [02:59] bicycle gang? [03:00] he was in a cruiser and for of us were on mountain bikes [03:00] with head lights [03:00] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] it was awesome [03:00] you should have said... your lights draw attention too, y dont you turn them off [03:00] for/four* [03:00] antiwire is now known as angelwire [03:00] I wonder if you could get a copy of the video from the cruiser [03:00] hahaha [03:00] that would be awesome [03:00] damn bikers anyway [03:00] antiwire: you see that why i got confused you said for instead of four....greek guy here remember? :p [03:00] y0 slackers...How's everyone? [03:01] MLanden: you man, great [03:01] destitute [03:01] hey MLanden, doing great, you? [03:01] great thanks,The-Croupier [03:01] antiwire: yeah, usually all the hardcore really dangerous gangs go around with mountain bikes, and they have lights on, and they go just past the police [03:01] where's the sshrc file located? [03:02] antiwire: where were you at when you got pulled over? [03:02] awesome..fire|bird thanks..Using pidgin 2.5.3? [03:02] we were riding on the proper side of the street, inline and not side by side [03:02] MLanden: pidgin 2.6.2 here. :) [03:02] everything was perfect [03:02] freaking awesome [03:02] I want to make a note that cops in that area are dumbasses. :P [03:02] lol [03:02] fire|bird..How's it workin'? [03:02] MLanden: great [03:03] all he could say was "be careful" [03:03] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-188.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:03] ~/.ssh/rc [03:03] antiwire: yeah..be careful, no drugs ,,, stay in school [03:04] lol [03:04] lol [03:04] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.44) left irc: Connection timed out [03:04] Reticenti: man ssh :P [03:04] hear ya,The-Croupier....'nuff jibba-jabba..lol [03:04] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] antiwire: i would have done this though, " ohhh sorry sir, very stupid of me, we will turn the lights off, and fucking drive in the middle of the night with no lights...is that ok?" [03:05] hahaha [03:05] Police blotter...9.10.09...4 hoodlums on bicycles, with head lights, were pulled over...........(Turn to page 15A to see rest of story) [03:05] fire|bird: lol [03:06] or for more information, stay in the channel....the rest is to come [03:06] battery dying brb [03:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [03:06] the bikes battery? :p [03:06] yeah, the head light's fading. :P [03:07] damn, call the police :p [03:07] haha [03:07] Special_K (n=root@91.148.95.127) joined ##slackware. [03:07] i wonder if they know how to change one..or they call the electrician :p (considering the above story) [03:08] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:09] The-Croupier: what for, they'll just say, good, you're not attracting attention to yourself, now be careful. :) [03:09] lol [03:09] The-Croupier: nah, they call the Swat team for that. :) [03:09] lol [03:09] I wonder how long it will be until RFCs are illustrated. [03:10] fire|bird: imagine that...no i dont what this team...damn..i want the one with collin farrell in it [03:10] godling: ? [03:10] The-Croupier: and, the bomb squad is called in for tire changes. :) [03:10] The-Croupier: like a dummies guide :P [03:12] whats up [03:12] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:12] ok, I'm out goodnight all [03:12] later [03:12] godling: why would rfcs be illustrated,,, i like the old nice teext style they got [03:12] mfillpot: bb [03:12] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:13] fire|bird: forensics to check if you have gas in ..;) [03:13] Well, not on a bicycle, but otherwise yeah. :P [03:14] otherside (n=othersid@adsl-76-234-165-186.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: [03:15] i dont understand,,, is it like a requirement in the police force? " Are you STUPID?, nooo?? ohh sorry than you are not hired..seeya" [03:15] that can't be true [03:16] There are smart cops all over television. [03:16] godling: lol [03:16] the-croupier,kinda like that test in the movie "Idiocracy" [03:16] Are you implying that my television is lying to me? [03:16] godling: and we know what you see on tv is true, always. :) [03:17] MLanden: lol [03:18] in screen, how do I add a program to a current window? [03:18] godling: definately not...your tv never lies... your tv is special [03:18] and santa is real [03:19] user51 (n=hr@117.200.54.89) left irc: "Leaving" [03:24] wow, it got quiet. [03:24] lol [03:24] so, i have a current screen, how do i put another window in it? [03:24] **chirp** **chirp**...lol [03:24] nevermind [03:24] c-a c [03:24] wow, it's Lubuntu http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7520 [03:25] i run ubuntu satan version [03:25] I thought ubuntu = satan? :P [03:25] nop [03:25] version 666? [03:25] not quite :P [03:26] http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/screenshots/ [03:26] Reticenti: well, darn close. :P [03:26] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:26] seen it,fire|bird...too bloated for LXDE [03:26] wb antiwire [03:26] welp, i gotta go to bed [03:26] nn peeps [03:26] night Reticenti [03:28] considering its sooo crap... there are lots of ppl using ubuntu... now thinking of it..the same goes for windows [03:29] i like how they run wmconfig and release it as a new ubuntu variant [03:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-73-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:29] I like Ubuntu. It works great as long as you want the system to behave like it was decided on Ubuntu team [03:29] If you want to make lot of changes Ubuntu isn't anymore your friend :) [03:30] but your computer still will be...:D [03:30] btw, does anynone else have 'syntax errors' when trying to build the fgrlx driver? [03:31] zmyrgel: is that in ubuntu? [03:32] I thought ATI/AMD were supposed to deliver the goods a while ago? [03:32] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-33-48.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:32] they haven't yet? [03:32] antiwire: which ones? [03:32] The-Croupier: Slackware64 [03:32] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:32] Here's the precise output: http://pastebin.com/d41504c0 [03:33] I've tried to re-download the package but it didn't help [03:33] Well, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [03:34] Later,fire|bird [03:34] does --listpkg show Slackware as a possible target? [03:34] see ya MLanden [03:34] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [03:34] ./packages/Slackware/ati-packager.sh: line 56: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `]' [03:34] ./packages/Slackware/ati-packager.sh: line 407: syntax error: unexpected end of file [03:35] Other distros seem to be presented just right but slackware has errors :/ [03:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] awesome [03:35] fascists [03:38] who,godling? [03:38] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:38] microxwin is too buggy. [03:39] ATI, MLanden [03:39] Hmm, If I just install the fglrx without the package, can I remove it later? [03:42] Yop all. [03:43] spook, looks interesting. hacky. [03:43] can be quite a PITA,godling [03:43] byteframe: its fucked and doesnt work anywhere as well as a full xorg [03:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:44] http://xkcd.com/272/ [03:45] mancha, I don't get it. [03:45] byteframe, you suck [03:45] lol [03:45] ahah mancha :) [03:45] surrealgirl, you suck. [03:46] byteframe, ok :D i suck hard [03:46] mmm.. tasty [03:46] i love xkcd [03:46] Nick change: surrealgirl -> i-give-bj-mmm [03:46] byte, missed the leaked "training" msft gives best buy? [03:46] Nick change: i-give-bj-mmm -> surrealgirl [03:47] surrealgirl: tehehe [03:47] mancha: their heads would explode if I asked what their netbooks really offer [03:47] does the linux stick fiqure flip over the bike, or is he killed? [03:47] best buy is evil. [03:47] hit-and-run [03:47] byteframe, he really flips over [03:47] any experience with the latest slackware on an asus eeepc? [03:48] MLanden, yes, you have to really feed your Q's in small sized bites [03:48] i would like to try but i'm not sure on how to install it since it has not the dvd :) [03:48] Lalloso: works good. [03:48] Lalloso: use a usb boot stick, then however you want to get the packages [03:49] spook: does the wifi work? [03:49] Lalloso: what size is your main drive? [03:49] 120gb [03:49] Lalloso: yup [03:49] Lalloso: what wireless chipset do you have [03:49] atheros [03:49] true,mancha..with pictures...:D [03:50] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [03:50] always take a set of crayons with you [03:51] mancha: problem with that..all that training they get goes out the window [03:51] what should i put on the usbstick? [03:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtTnizEnC1U [03:55] Lalloso: easy then. [03:55] Lalloso: on the dvd image, or any slackware mirror, look in usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [03:57] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:57] ah good thx you! [03:59] Lalloso: np :) [04:01] http://xkcd.com/53/ [04:01] haaaahaa [04:02] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:03] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:04] byteframe: grats on finding xkcd. [04:05] x what? [04:05] window manager? [04:05] Ahhhhh k3b drives me crazy (why my fucking sister doesn't want to use cdrecord?) [04:05] byteframe: xkcd is a comic [04:05] Ephedrax, xfburn [04:06] byteframe: xkcd is the comic you are linking to. most of the people in here have read it. [04:06] byteframe: I'll see that. [04:06] I know. [04:06] I was being sarcastic [04:08] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [04:08] xkcd is a comic [04:08] right? [04:08] wrong. [04:08] sabat (n=sabat@c-71-236-244-94.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Ephedrax: what does she hate about cdrecord? [04:08] she needs a gui. [04:08] =/ [04:08] fatalnix, I'm a princess, not a policeman [04:09] Ephedrax, I think xfburn needs xfce installed for deps. [04:09] Action: MLanden lights a candle for Ephedrax [04:10] and k3b is crazy on her computer. Start k3b => no device. Start k3bsetup => find device, and all ok. and at reboot => no device :) [04:10] MLanden: thx dude :) [04:10] a princess [04:10] only use k3b if you are missing a coaster set [04:10] girls use slackware!? [04:10] write her a gui :P [04:10] what are girls using slackware for!? [04:11] godling: rofl ! [04:11] a gui? [04:11] for girls in slackware: [04:11] fatalnix: shut up. [04:11] lol. [04:11] use tcl :P [04:11] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] or pygtk :D [04:12] I don't know how many front-ends there are already for cdrecord [04:12] I've been running ubuntu for about a week now... all started when a friend posted a link that said "install ubuntu in 25 minutes without affecting your windows install" so I tried it... and it impressed me. Thing is, many years ago, I ran slackware 3.3, and still have the disk even, ran it on and off up until they made 8.1. I've run into a few small issues with ubuntu, my gf likes it, I like it, but... I was considering slack again... [04:12] I just use the cli. [04:13] sabat youll love 13 [04:13] x1user (i=1000@212.75.8.69) joined ##slackware. [04:13] i guarantee it or ill be your gf for a day [04:13] I 'prefer' cli. [04:13] I loved 3.3 [04:13] sabat, if you're not currently running slackware, I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to leave. [04:13] 13 is better [04:13] sabat: why did you make me read all that? do you have a question? :P [04:13] I loved 8.1 even... [04:14] I say dual boot with ubuntu and share files. So that she can use it her way and you can yours. [04:14] 13 is the best i have ever seen mostly the kde put together is so perfect [04:14] Byteframe, I am not currently running it, and really don't appreciate you piggish attitude. [04:14] we kung fu fight! [04:14] Byteframe's just joking [04:14] surrealgirl: other than being used to 3.5 :) it's rather interesting in it's differences [04:15] i'll put $50 on the slack user [04:15] so 13 is kde based? ya, that was one thing I didn't like about ubuntu, the whole gnome thing was annoying. [04:15] anyone wanna match my bet by putting $50 on the ubuntu dummy? [04:15] mancha: USD? [04:15] theres kubuntu which runs kde [04:15] sabat: slackware has been kde based for several versions now [04:15] slackware has NO defined look [04:15] fatalnix, well it was long stupid thing. my xchat window isnt that big. [04:15] it is not based on anything [04:15] I think he should bounce. [04:15] if this kdes default look on all install [04:15] then kudos to kde [04:15] Hi, how to add user in netdev group? wicd require it ? [04:15] sabat: you can choose which desktop environment you want [04:15] alisonken1home, they werent kidding when they said they rewrote the whole thing [04:15] sabat: the only difference is 13 is kde4.2 based rather than 3.x based [04:16] it has been for a long time if you install KDE [04:16] gpasswd xluser [04:16] implement kde 4 on a slack 12.2 or current...I prefer the 13 =) [04:16] i.e gpasswd -a xluser netdev (or summit) [04:16] which slackware had CDE (KDE's predecessor)? [04:16] I kinda grew to like slack more and more over many years. I tried debian, mandrake, Solaris[got a used solaris server from a local used computers shop, frankly, they never sold systems with sw still on them, but they didn't know unix/linux well enough to wipe this one, so they gave it to me with all the stuff still on it], Stampede[I loved that one] and gentoo. [04:17] if you want kde3, use 12.2 if you want kde4 use 13.0 [04:17] end of story. none of this upgrading or downgrading kde shit [04:17] =) [04:17] spook yep [04:17] but the more distro's I tried, the more I kept going back to slack, and not because it "knew" it more, I am really not that "familiar" with any distro. [04:17] or gnomeslackbuild. [04:17] I have always like slackware because it comes with everything I need and doesnt bug me to start throwing a system down to run without X at all [04:17] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425673.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Back when 3.3 came out, I bought it for 5bux at a local Software Pipeline ONLY because it said I could multi-task dos. [04:18] how exactly yo see the user group,uid ? [04:18] sabat: what were your specs then? [04:18] nevermind [04:18] uid is user id, gid is group id [04:18] i have winscp installed in a windows machine..and needed some kind of terminal..local with no need of a linux shell somewhere else... does enyone know a way? [04:18] I was running a 4 phone line BBS using Renegade at the time, using 4 networked 386's. [04:18] I managed to boot SLS linux (pre slackware) with linux 1.0 on KVM a while back, that was fun. [04:19] you couldnt install it, but it worked off the floppies. [04:19] sabat: sweet [04:19] but my main system was a AMD 486-X5/133 with a whopping 48mb ram [04:19] and a 80mb hd [04:19] pimpin I know... [04:20] name (n=name@c-24-10-164-213.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:20] hear ya,sabat [04:20] I had a 6 pc home network running 10mbit BNC. [04:20] there's a terminal messaging command that i use to use [04:20] i forgot the name of it. it isn't 'talk' [04:20] Nick change: name -> Guest81069 [04:20] But gpasswd just change the password for a group, this doesnot helps me. I need to add user in netdev group? [04:20] one was a computer with 4 50mb hd's in it, running a fileserver for the bbs [04:20] chat I believe I installed slackware to my old amd K6 66 mhz quite a while ago. [04:20] anyone know of different messaging commands in linux [04:21] that was fun too. [04:21] xluser, don't argue until you purchase Clue [04:21] sabat: did it run "hot"? [04:21] that's one but it was something else [04:21] oh ya [04:21] i'm looking for the one that our school has installed. i forget which one it was [04:21] it was just a 386/33, not even a dx [04:21] something like tak [04:21] it was years after the bbs went down I put a coprocessor in it [04:21] i mean yak [04:21] yelp [04:22] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.171.34) joined ##slackware. [04:22] mancha: i dont understand? [04:22] and "upgraded" to 12 mb ram [04:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:22] xluyser, i gave you the command you wanted, stop arguing if you're clueless [04:22] good morning :) [04:22] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:22] I was running on 128 mb of EDO [04:22] I started with a kaypro CP/M.... I'm only 30, started in computers really young tho [04:22] chat it was amazing back then [04:22] sabat: a luggable? [04:23] my dad was a WANG server programmer with fortran. so I had a good "I got a question...." guy. [04:23] ya [04:23] like a 8-10" screen, monochrome [04:23] 2 8.25" floppy drives [04:23] no hd [04:23] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-230-48.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:23] built in 9600 baud modem [04:23] hear ya,sabat....Wargames..:D [04:23] I honestly have no idea what processor it had [04:24] Think it was slower than my atari tho [04:24] lol [04:24] sabat, hahaha nice to hear that. :> [04:24] ya, my first "computer" was that kaypro, it was being thrown out by my dads work. and he got tired of me screwing up his 8086. [04:24] ok, i understand what you tells me and added the user, should i log in again for the chnages to take effect [04:24] i'm jealous. [04:25] could imagine,sabat [04:25] omg it's crazy. xfbrun found the device, not k3b =°) [04:25] so my dad put dos, I think 3 something, on it. made a batch menu with ascii. [04:25] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:25] write [04:25] how old are you sabat/ [04:25] I could hit 1 to play hangman, 2 to play Sopwith, don't rememebr the rest lol [04:25] thats what it was [04:25] 30 [04:25] oh ok [04:26] Guest81069 (n=name@c-24-10-164-213.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:26] if i add user in a group, should i reboot for the changes to take affect? [04:26] I got into computers when I was like 5-6, not really USING them, but playing around... my dad would load pong, hand me the controller and let me goto town [04:26] no, just logging out is enough [04:26] yes i mean that, thanks [04:27] whict atari did you have,sabat? [04:27] I remember when Doom came out, I went and bought a soundblaster that day. [04:27] lol [04:27] think the sound card cost me like 150bux, the game cost 15? [04:27] ok time to go do stuff take care :D [04:27] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [04:28] I don' [04:28] I don't remember what atari [04:28] it was the "spaceship" looking one [04:28] not he boxy one [04:28] ran some version of basic, had an external floppy disk drive and a modem. [04:29] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:29] someone has installed slackware 13.0 on a PowerEdge R710? [04:29] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [04:29] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] it was weird tho, my dad showed me it later when he thought I understood computers... You couldn't "save" programs.... [04:29] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:30] you had to copy them raw to the floppy, there was not a real "format" for storing data on floppy's at the time [04:30] everthing was pretty proprietary [04:30] you basically wrote your program, key by key, to the floppy. god forbid you mistype something [04:30] right...same with other 6502-based computers as Z80's [04:31] but once you had it on a floppy, you could "copy/paste" it, so to speak, to the memory of the atari and run it [04:31] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.182) left irc: "Leaving" [04:32] as long as the power stayed on,sabat [04:32] ya... [04:32] I can remember one night, dad was writing some code when we got a brown out [04:32] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [04:32] my dad is 67 now, and this is one of 2 times I saw him drink at home. [04:33] he went and bought a coors. one. the second time I saw him drink at home, was when HIS dad died... so that's how 'severe' he felt about this. [04:33] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:33] guess fortran was serious business back then [04:34] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:34] hear ya,sabat...knew it was intense [04:34] alzheimer's is coming, stick with ubuntu. [04:35] altho, he did get the kaypro I ended up with, like a week or 2 after that :D [04:35] so he got something out of losing his data. [04:35] sweet deal,sabat [04:36] I think the first pc I bought, was my 386/33. up until then it was all hand me downs from my dad's work[Public Utility Comission for our state] [04:36] Kaypro's were awesome with CP/M...with the home computers,they were indeed limited [04:38] ya, that kaypro opened many doors for me-so to speak-int he computer world, my first *nix was AT&T unix, running off 3 floppys. [04:38] on that kaypro [04:38] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.236) joined ##slackware. [04:38] sabat: think you will love Slackware now...lot of good features that've been added since 12.0 [04:38] it was just a VTT system to connect it to the wang mainframe at my dads work tho, then everything you did was actually being done there. [04:39] but at 7, having full access to a wang mainframe was pretty dam cool [04:39] err, 8. [04:39] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-175-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:40] think the first unix for me was with Amiga and 486's [04:40] I didn't know fortran, but it ran at&t unix on one of the systems connected to it, and that was the one I first experienced *nix on. [04:40] So what you're saying is that when you were 8 you had access to your dad's Wang? [04:40] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [04:40] ya... I really don't like how u put it... but that's un-arguably correct. [04:40] lol,godling [04:41] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:41] lmao [04:41] mpd is cool. [04:42] spook: how you got it arranged? [04:42] Special_K (n=root@91.148.95.127) left irc: "Leaving" [04:42] iphone app mpod, connected to my machine with lots of music [04:42] hmm, well, I jus tput this 500gb drive in my system, then installed ubuntu... booted up, got my network all working and shit like that... then immediately thought "hmm, maybe I should go back to slackware" and now I am thinkg I will [04:42] LawnJart (n=LawnJart@99.19.41.238) joined ##slackware. [04:42] one of us [04:42] awesome,spook...rock on [04:42] one of us [04:43] gooba gabba [04:43] nice big speakers [04:44] l4d time! [04:44] well, think I am gonna boot my old windows and play some games tonight, and first thing tomorrow I am installing slackware, again. [04:44] good luck,sabat [04:45] oh, and MLanden, the last version of slack I ran was 8.1 [04:45] I dug up my old cd case... [04:45] believe me,sabat...you'll love it [04:46] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:46] I have a gentoo unmarked version disk, slackware 3.3, 4.3, 7.1, 8.1, mandrake unmarked version, suse unmarked version, redhat 4.x and 7.x cd, and Stampede unmarked version. [04:47] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:47] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:47] and a os/2 40 3.5" disk install kit, and os/2 warp install disk, and on top of all that, ms dos 1.1 install 8.25" floppy's [04:48] helluva collection,sabat [04:48] I got some old shit here :D [04:48] ooh, windows 3.1, with the .11 upgrade disk! woo [04:50] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:50] omg, I just found my Chips Challenge 3.5" disk from like 95, admittadly not the oldest thing I found in that box, but the coolest of the old things :D [04:50] oldest distro i've ever seen was on a tape drive that a buddy's dad had [04:51] oh ya, I remember TBU's... my dad ALWAYS had one at home, that's how he brought stuff home from work [04:51] in the later years [04:52] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.171.34) left irc: "Leaving" [04:52] I should install slackware 3.3... lol [04:52] wonder what kernel it has [04:53] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] cd's all old and scratched... wonder if it'll load [04:54] Wed Jul 3 14:48:46 PDT 1996 [04:54] Slackware96 (v. 3.1.0) is released. New features include the 2.0.0 Linux [04:54] kernel, gcc-2.7.2, and the 5.3.12 C library. Lots of packages were upgraded [04:54] Channel flood from sabat -- kicking [04:54] to work correctly with the new kernel. [04:54] sabat kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:54] sabat (n=sabat@c-71-236-244-94.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] oops [04:55] guess I shoulda made that one line before pasting it [04:55] lot of patches were placed on that kernel [04:56] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Sun Oct 5 16:50:34 CDT 1997 was the LAST entry in the changelog of the 3.3 distro [04:56] most of the files were corrupt, I can't get to them but the changelog was fine [04:57] amazingly still floating around of the web now [04:57] s/of/on [04:57] wow, the entire slacktest copied just fine tho [04:57] I might be able to boot it into test mode [04:58] it'll prolly have a heart attack when it sees my processor speed [04:58] won't know what to do [04:58] I bet it panics [04:58] it'll be quick,i'll tell ya...:P [04:58] and I am gurantee'n it doesn't support my onboard giggabit lan [04:58] lol [04:59] lol [05:01] think the only one that distro could support were the 3com's..could be wrong [05:03] 3coms were nice back than. [05:03] quite reliable i might say.. every version supported them [05:04] man there was a stampede linux...was it nice? [05:07] still got a 3com 8bit isa card..just in case...:D [05:10] sabat (n=sabat@c-71-236-244-94.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:11] when we drop pci for isa and gigabit for 10bt, you'll be laughing at all of us [05:11] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:11] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:12] taleon (i=cruesch@2001:4d88:ffff:ffff:2:b31f:b7c5:2) joined ##slackware. [05:12] hi [05:12] nah,mancha [05:16] y0 taleon [05:20] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:24] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.25.106) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:25] brb [05:25] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:25] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. 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[05:50] they dont reply [05:50] ahh, yeah can be dead in there sometimes [05:51] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [05:51] maybe your coresize is 0 [05:51] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:52] ulimit -a | grep core [05:52] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:52] samigaru` (n=user@218.22.80.151) joined ##slackware. [05:53] oddly quiet [05:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Better? [05:55] jamess, run that as your http user, of course. [05:55] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [05:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:56] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:57] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [05:58] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:59] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:59] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:00] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [06:00] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:00] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [06:05] hi [06:06] mancha: I get the core file [06:06] what now [06:06] i tried gdb /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd /tmp/core [06:06] then it says cannot access memory at address 0xb8038654 [06:07] so you set a positive coresize value (or unlimited) ? [06:07] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:07] yes set a positive [06:07] what must i do with the core file [06:08] to trace it, run gdb [06:08] i tried gdb /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd /tmp/core [06:08] here kitty kitty [06:09] and it says [06:09] cannot access memory at address 0xb8038654 [06:09] doesn't it print a lot of lines? [06:10] nope [06:10] Nick change: LifeForce4 -> LF4 [06:10] that is all it says [06:11] try gdb httpd -c core [06:11] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:11] gdb /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -c /tmp/core [06:11] gives the same [06:11] or gdb httpd -c /tmp/core, des that give you gdb cli? [06:12] dfhhjf (n=none@83-223-181-40.cpe.netmadeira.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:12] gives the same [06:12] as before [06:12] cannot access memory at [06:12] are you sure that corefile name is right? its not core.1234 or summit? [06:14] yes [06:14] just core [06:15] why dont stuff work in linux :( [06:15] frenkien (n=sixxsdad@212.183.134.65) joined ##slackware. [06:15] hehe, to err is human [06:15] now i restart apache [06:15] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:15] and in logs i see tons of child pid exit signal segmentation fault [06:16] but now it dont make any core files [06:16] james, there's something very wrong in this setup [06:16] but i need to finish up some work now, good luck [06:17] james, maybe you didnt give your core enough size [06:17] yeah but now it dont even make a core file [06:17] ulimit -c unlimited [06:18] and shutdown apache, rm those stale core files and restarts apache [06:19] i did the ulimit +c unlimited [06:19] ulimit -c [06:19] -c not +c [06:19] i get this problem on slackware 13.0 only [06:19] is there enough space in /tmp ? [06:19] on slackware 12.2 it was fine [06:20] don't tell me /tmp is on a separate part with little space.... [06:20] nono there is like 100 gig free [06:20] on this drive [06:20] i stop apache [06:20] start apache [06:21] and nothing in the core dir [06:21] and you only have one partition for / ? [06:21] even though tons of errors in the error log [06:21] i.e. no limits on /tmp [06:21] yes [06:21] no limits [06:21] i httpd.conf i have CoreDumpDirectory /tmp [06:22] ok, it'll take more time to help you with this and i need to get back to $other_things now.... [06:22] sorry [06:22] good luck [06:22] ok now i see something [06:22] it says: [06:23] it says /lib/libc.so.6 as problem [06:23] uber failage [06:30] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:32] frenkien (n=sixxsdad@212.183.134.65) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:32] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-175-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [06:32] jamess__ (n=benjsh@195.198.145.140) left irc: [06:33] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [06:39] samigaru` (n=user@218.22.80.151) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:40] frenkien (n=sixxsdad@212.183.136.195) joined ##slackware. [06:45] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.71.238) joined ##slackware. [06:49] kukibl (n=kuki@dynamic-171-134-241-92.broadband.blic.net) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Nick change: xwodahs -> shadowx [06:55] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-gkldmyeawaqodeng) joined ##slackware. [06:57] hey, I have really interesting error, there is an "Memory:d0600000-d0620000" row in ifconfig output, and the connection is really bad, any idea ? [06:57] it started yesterday [06:57] and since then the adapter is working like 50/50 [06:58] hrad: hehehe [07:01] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-gkldmyeawaqodeng) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [07:03] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-svgpfkiullnjzhug) joined ##slackware. [07:04] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:04] sorry if I'm writing this twice [07:04] hey, I have really interesting error, there is an "Memory:d0600000-d0620000" row in ifconfig output, and the connection is really bad, any idea ? [07:04] the adapter is working like 50/50 [07:06] I have the RC1 release [07:08] what card is this [07:10] frenkien (n=sixxsdad@212.183.136.195) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:11] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [07:13] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [07:13] kukibl (n=kuki@dynamic-171-134-241-92.broadband.blic.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:14] anyone else find that on yahoo profiles and connections pages the javascript is leaking CPU on firefox? it keeps getting slower and slower and firefox cpu usage gets higher and stays constant the more pages you click [07:15] caio (n=caio@200.2.124.206) joined ##slackware. [07:16] siimo: maybe [07:16] siimo: what are you wearing? [07:17] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.71.238) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:20] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-svgpfkiullnjzhug) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [07:27] kpr (n=kpr@unaffiliated/kpr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:27] o.O [07:29] When switching between the framebuffer console and X, the screen is not centered the same way, anyone know how to fix that? [07:29] huh? [07:29] witukind: explain what you mean [07:32] spook, hum well whenever I switch from X to the framebuffer console, I have to use the controls on my monitor to change the h-position and v-position. [07:32] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-degxfuufosgydhel) joined ##slackware. [07:32] spook: it is Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [07:32] ou sry [07:32] Intel Corporation 82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection [07:33] witukind: you're changing resolution probably, and have a shitty monitor that doesnt save settings [07:33] but I'm sure that yesterday there was no memory message [07:33] CRTs are bad for your eyes [07:33] witukind: maybe, but is there a way to work around that? [07:34] the resolution isn't the same I think, the framebuffer console is 1024x768 probably and X is 1280x1024. [07:37] I liked my NEC MultiSync [07:37] actually I just looked at fbset and the resolution of the framebuffer is 1280x1024 [07:38] newer monitors will allow separate adjustments for each mode setting [07:38] witukind: so use the same res in both. [07:38] even though it was a CRT [07:38] alisonken1noc: that's useful [07:38] spook, in fact both use the same resolution [07:38] same sync rate? [07:38] and lcd's typically don't need that adjustment [07:39] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-degxfuufosgydhel) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [07:39] hum let me find out the sync rate of X [07:39] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.217.233.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [07:40] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [07:40] otherside (n=othersid@adsl-76-232-154-123.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:40] witukind: try using the monitor's info screen or whatever to find out [07:41] phillu (n=bnguyen@118.71.144.53) joined ##slackware. [07:41] 1280x1024x60hz on X and 1280x1024x60hz on the framebuffer console [07:41] shrug, i blame the screen [07:42] how to send files from laptop to phone using bluetooth with slackware 13? [07:43] I blame the patriarchal caucasian hegemony, spook. [07:43] phillu: obex? [07:44] hum that sucks, I'm hoping KMS will fix that... [07:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Action: theblackbox blames it on the boogie [07:46] hum looks like xrandr may be able to shift the stuff... [07:46] 60hz make my eyes fall out [07:48] luckily I don't use CRTs anymore [07:48] even at school all the monitors are LCD [07:49] spook: can you be more specific? for example what is the command to send *test.txt* to my phone? [07:49] Action: t0f hugs his 19 inch crt [07:50] I have a 19" LCD :P [07:50] changing to 70hz the framebuffer console looks horrible [07:50] then don't use 70hz [07:50] !next [07:50] ;P [07:50] 75hz and X looks horrible [07:51] phillu: use hcitool to pair the devices, then use like obexpush or obexftp etc to transfer [07:51] witukind: if you continue to experiment there's a possibility that you might destroy your monitor :P [07:51] good, he needs a new one [07:52] man satellites are cool [07:54] spook: ok, i use *hcitool scan* to get my phone address, but how to pair? do i have to edit some conf files? [07:54] phillu: theres a lot of documentation out there [07:54] try man hcitool [07:54] godling, I'm only trying out the values that X reports as possible [07:55] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-233-133.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [07:57] phillu: i remember having to set a pin for the pc by making a file in /var/lib or something [07:57] witukind (n=witukind@213.49.233.133) joined ##slackware. [08:00] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [08:01] spook: i've set a pin in /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/default like /etc/bluetooth/README.SLACKWARE said, but still dont know how to pair, the man page for hci is somewhat complex for me [08:02] # [08:02] oahong (n=user@61.152.248.18) joined ##slackware. [08:02] # Iiii'm Saiiliiiing Awaaaayy [08:03] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [08:03] bon voyage! [08:04] phillu: i cant remember how i did it. it was a while ago. [08:04] phillu: google is your friend [08:04] Google is nobody's friend, spook. [08:05] godling: are you going to be helpful or just make retorts? [08:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:05] spook: can't I do both? [08:05] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [08:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [08:08] godling: apparently not [08:09] someone is using a webcam logitech express? [08:10] spook: I think reminding someone that a megacorp isn't their friend is helpful. :P [08:10] for the record, the command to fix this is fbset -move [08:11] spook: also you were providing a fine level of assistance and I did not want to encroach upon your space [08:12] godling: i see [08:12] madnex: what problem are you having? [08:13] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:14] otherside (n=othersid@adsl-76-232-154-123.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "bye" [08:15] spook, its not working, and the qc_usb do not compile. also i didnt find the kcompact.patch for 2.6.29 [08:15] kpr (n=kpr@unaffiliated/kpr) joined ##slackware. [08:15] *kcompat [08:16] madnex: is it a uvc camera? [08:18] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [08:20] i'm checking that [08:20] theres a pdf on logitech's website that lists them [08:21] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [08:21] kpr (n=kpr@unaffiliated/kpr) left irc: "leaving" [08:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425673.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [08:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425673.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:24] phillu (n=bnguyen@118.71.144.53) left irc: "leaving" [08:24] spook, no, its not uvc :-/ [08:24] So in fact to fix it for good, add "fbset -all -move [direction] -step [number of pixels to shift in the direction]" in /etc/rc.d/rc.local and you're done [08:25] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-hujdereyozokxngc) left irc: "Page closed" [08:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:25] madnex: then you're not going to have an easy time. the qc modules are old and shit [08:26] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: No route to host [08:27] spook, well, thanks anyway. [08:28] good luck [08:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425673.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [08:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.214.199) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.214.199) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:29] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-60-108-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425673.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:31] I used to use a Quickcam Messenger but it was with 2.4.sometihng [08:31] *something [08:32] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425673.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:32] personally i'd just fork out the $50 for a uvc logitech camera [08:34] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [08:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425673.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:38] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [08:39] fork it out to me? [08:41] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-168-78-251.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:41] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nurahnbsxdeznpmb) joined ##slackware. [08:41] no lol [08:45] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] just discovered thunderbird is misbehaving.. and hard-truncating some attachments :/ [08:47] theyre fine on the server and can be d/led with a webmail client fine... but saving them from TB they are missing data [08:47] I'm not surprised. Thunderbird was pretty buggy the last time I used it. [08:48] first time ive ever had such an issue in many many years of hard usage [08:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:50] I think my biggest annoyance with Thunderbird was that the header window wouldn't encapsulate the header text in its entirety when you selected a full headers display. [08:50] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-60-108-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [08:50] did they fix that yet? [08:51] not sure exactly what you mean [08:51] but i use a headers extension anyway [08:51] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Quitting" [08:52] Emanon (n=Emanon@c-67-183-42-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] east (n=kvirc@80.252.157.71) joined ##slackware. [08:54] east (n=kvirc@80.252.157.71) left ##slackware ("Bye"). [08:55] nibel (n=nibel@i59F62737.versanet.de) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:3c3) joined ##slackware. [08:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Zordrak: when you would look at a message in thunderbird and click the little plus mark next to the subject heading, the header text would spill down the rest of the screen and there was no scrollbar to view it all. [08:59] yeah.. i have an extension for that too [08:59] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [09:00] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) left irc: Client Quit [09:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:06] dolohov (n=dolohov@unaffiliated/dolohov) joined ##slackware. [09:06] is http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-d1.iso enough to run slackware off of [09:06] to have a functional system [09:07] without the need for additional kde like fag packs? [09:07] lol. [09:07] yes, but you will only have a commandline system [09:07] you need disk 1+2 for x windows [09:08] disk 3 has kde so you wont need that. [09:08] i dont need no gay x [09:09] dolohov: methinks the lady doth protest too much [09:09] dolohov: then disk 1 is all you need. all you need is to install /a/, /ap/ /l/ /n/ [09:09] you can isntall disk one plus slapt-get and this http://stabellini.net/depslack.html then you dont have to worry about disks... [09:09] that should give you plenty of stuff. [09:09] spook, word [09:09] nibel: no. [09:09] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:09] Zordrak, Oh please do not imply he's gay... I might get offended at the thought of being lumped in the same group as that moron. [09:10] nibel: please do not give people bad advice. [09:10] Zordrak I have found the same problem with Thunderbird myself [09:10] spook: just because your idealogy says dpes are bad? [09:11] adamk_: why would you be? [09:11] nibel: no, because of the idealogy of this ENTIRE distrobution [09:11] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [09:11] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:11] spook: nevertheless, it works [09:11] nibel: He's right, however unfortunate that realisation may be. Don't recommend slapt-get to people in here. [09:12] nibel: slackpkg is the official supported package manager UI [09:12] nibel: you are more than welcome to ask people's permission to talk to them in a pm, and suggest it there. [09:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] nibel: SlackBuilds.org (and consequently sbopkg) are the officially unofficially supported external repo handlers [09:13] spook: dont give him ideas [09:13] Zordrak, It was just a joke... Apparently a bad one :-) [09:13] heh [09:13] Zordrak: he'll quickly get tired of pm'ing people. [09:14] nibel: the reality is that slapt-get + 3rd party repos = a quickly broken system [09:15] agreed [09:15] Action: hitest prefers using slackpkg and SBo [09:15] spook: the problem with slackpkg is that you are running dead when you try to install a pkg with a lot of deps, so you can either stick to the collections or use handtuned tagfiles, but if you use handtuned tagfiles why not using handtunied deps? [09:15] LOL.. fisichella qualified P1 in a Force India.. now hes at Ferrari, he's barely in the top 10 and Sutil is P1 in practice 2 in the Force India [09:16] nibel: and since slapt-get only provides a framework for dependency resolution, and the slackware package format is not built from the ground up with dependencies in mind, unlike .deb or .rpm which has been, things will break. [09:16] spook: i dont use 3rd party repos, most of them are indeed messed up [09:16] nibel: what exactly are you installing in slack that has a lot of deps that slack doesnt provide? [09:17] or slackbuilds.org doesnt provide? [09:17] Zordrak: i never install the whole system just a base system with the packages that i need [09:17] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.217.233.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Zordrak: and this guy provides a deps for the official slackware mirrors http://stabellini.net/depslack.html [09:18] nibel: if that works for you, sure. but thats fraught with danger approach for users new to slackware [09:18] nibel: i still dont see the difficulty in checking and installing the deps you need.. [09:18] so no need for third party repos [09:19] nibel: as spook says.. if thats your bag, then wear it.. but dont recommend it to others in here [09:19] spook: in the first place it is lazieness XD [09:19] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl15-170.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:19] nibel: if you want deps, you are muuuch better off using a distro that does it PROPERLY, not extremely unofficial, unsupported and largely untrustworthy [09:20] hello guys [09:21] hello Lord_Khelben [09:21] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [09:21] dolohov (n=dolohov@unaffiliated/dolohov) left irc: "Leaving" [09:22] spook: yeh im using frugalware and zenwalk too, but i always come back to slackware. It's kiss is just too beutiefull XD, I just dont like to install the complete sets, bloating my system with things i dont need [09:23] mornin all [09:23] nibel: see above. [09:23] hello agentc0re [09:23] morning agentc0re [09:23] nibel: FWIW i disagree with that philosophy. I love to have a minimal system in that I only run the daemons that need to be run etc, and i trim the kernel down so that it runs very lean... but I always do a FULL install because 4GB disk space is nothing to me [09:23] hello Lord_Khelben, hitest. [09:23] its not bloat because its not in the way.. [09:24] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [09:24] tgif!! [09:24] but if i need something.. its there [09:24] agentc0re: ++ [09:24] slack doesn't install 10,000 packages so even a full install isn't bloated [09:24] Zordrak, ; agreed. I always do a full install [09:24] with other distros.. if its installed, its *on* by default [09:24] Zordrak: dude... i cannot express to you the fsckery of shit happening at work for the past two weeks.. [09:24] in slack its just there if you need it.. but not bloating your runtime environment in the slightest [09:24] hi agentc0re [09:25] yes, it is friday. woo. [09:25] should only matter if disk space is at a premium [09:25] if you don't know much about each package's deps you can do a full install and removing packages you don't want one at a time to see if it breaks something [09:25] Zordrak: yup [09:25] Action: godling does the wave [09:25] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [09:25] Lord_Khelben: no thats horrible [09:25] agentc0re: Im afraid i have to disagree. I would believe it. All to well :) [09:25] *too [09:25] agentc0re: we have an ex-CEO trying to sell company assets to himself in order to start a new company, including contacting GoDaddy with unauthorized credentials to steal our domains [09:26] lol [09:26] whoa [09:27] agentc0re: we had to change locks because he thought since *he* owned the company previously that he also owned the routing and switch gear. So he came in to "move" it to his car [09:27] Zordrak: Yeah, probably. But the ironic thing is how all these things decided to happen all at the same time and be all the worst of things to happen at those times. [09:27] that was a fun day [09:27] haha [09:27] fuzzbawl: LOL, that's actually amusing though. Not fun to deal with but laughable. [09:27] I sense prison in that guy's future. [09:27] agentc0re: yep. that sounds about right.. [09:27] fuzzbawl: why did you have a person like him for CEO ? [09:28] Lord_Khelben: it's not usually the IT guy's choice... [09:28] Lord_Khelben: he started the company, then was removed from power later [09:28] yes i didn't mean it was fuzzbawl's choice. i said it in a general way [09:29] your company is led by a junta now? [09:29] godling: at least it isn't a bounty hunter [09:30] Zordrak: Put in a new phone system. No managers participate in how they want it configured preinstallation. MASS amounts of complaints the day after installation. LD T1 takes a dump twice after install. PRI takes a dump after install. Remote site that this New system can hook up to, their PRI took a dump after hooking it up. Their programing got screwed up in the mix.. [09:30] agentc0re: sounds like you guys have either AT&T or MCI. Neither one can keep a PRI up to save their lives [09:31] fuzzbawl: no, all services are through Qwest. [09:31] niiiice [09:31] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:31] agentc0re: i don't have a response for that. but i did feel shivers in my spine [09:31] fuzzbawl: the last LD T1 dump actually was our fault. CSU died. [09:31] lol [09:32] agentc0re: i came in this morning to find the ISDN30 that hooks up the PABK dead.. took them till 30mins ago to get phones working again [09:32] I don't consider equipment failure as a fault of anyone, it just happens =) [09:32] fuggiung telewest [09:33] CSU, agentc0re? [09:33] fuzzbawl: Oh, well telcom is another story. Prior IT guy never canceled services when he moved from XO to Echelon(Integra now). So when i moved to qwest and tried canceling all of them... THEY WOULDN"T!?! XO's bill is up around 25k right now. :P and they keep threatening to terminate our nonexistent services. [09:34] agentc0re: predecessors are a PITA [09:34] fuzzbawl: Ya, try telling that to 80+ people who are already aggravated from the new phones they just got. :P [09:36] Zordrak: Ya, he was a POS. Honestly i'd probably get looked at the same way though if i was to leave today and they still had this mess. But seriously though, that last IT and the one before were dumber than rocks. Kids in high school could have done better. [09:36] aldcor (i=500@ip-127-221.zb.lv) joined ##slackware. [09:36] hello =] [09:37] agentc0re: preaching to the choir man [09:37] Zordrak: Ya, i figured as much. I'm just trying to get it all out of my system. I'm looking for a new job too, this one is seriously killing me. [09:38] aye [09:38] I really feel the pain in the core of my chest when people come up to me now... it just hurts to hear them talk.. that = need a new job. [09:38] neonflux (n=mrjones@ip67-152-80-226.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] i lock the office door when it comes to that [09:38] or hide in the basement server room [09:39] really? [09:40] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) joined ##slackware. [09:40] I think it's time for me to change my extension [09:41] you mean you dont have it changing on the hour? [09:41] somehow our business clients have found my extension. and no, I'm not listed in the directory [09:41] spook: no, but I should :D [09:41] exactly why my email sig contains reception's number not mine [09:42] fuzzbawl: for shame, your bofh teacher should be ashamed for not teaching you that [09:42] spook: I learned by reading Simon's stuff directly [09:42] fuzzbawl: ah, self-taught [09:42] however laziness kicks in at some point [09:43] trust me, employee's here know better than to ask me something before they google [09:43] hey, guys I have a little problem. I added applet to my panel and then suddenly all gone wrong... my minimized mirrors are so close to right side http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3245/desk8.png :( [09:43] omg, i am so confused and don't know what to do! [09:43] aldcor: kde? sledgehammer solution is to delete ~/.kde [09:44] spook: insufficient [09:44] http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3245/desk8.png look at that [09:44] Zordrak: oh? [09:44] ~/.* [09:44] :) [09:44] theres othelr crap in there too [09:44] spook: I modified Squid one time to redirect our accounts receivable machine to google for every request. the lady is just annoying about asking me how to "make the 'my documents' thing bigger" [09:45] fuzzbawl: lol. nice. [09:45] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:45] why nobody answers me? [09:45] :(( [09:45] aldcor: we did [09:45] spook, i like kde [09:45] my personal favorite is when I used the upside-down-ternet script on squid after everyone pissed me off saying that our "IT department doesn't do much" [09:46] what should i do with panel? [09:46] fuzzbawl: hehehe [09:46] fuzzbawl: I love that script :D [09:46] aldcor: deleting the .kde directory doesn't delete KDE, it only deletes your personal settings for KDE [09:47] hmn.. [09:47] aldcor: you will have to set all your preferences again, such as colors, fonts, etc. [09:47] ok, i'll try [09:47] damn [09:47] waste of time [09:47] fuzzbawl: hehehe, nice. [09:47] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: "Leaving." [09:48] fuzzbawl: I rock untangle at work for webfiltering. I've been meaning to try to figure out how i could do that on untangle. [09:48] aldcor: one method I tend to use is to save a backup copy of the .kde folder before I make major changes like adding widgets. That way if something bad happens I can just revert to the backup [09:49] thx, i'll try later [09:49] Admin before me, didn't filter one bit. [09:49] agentc0re: I'm slightly biased with filtering. I prefer DansGuardian [09:49] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [09:50] they spent $800 a Month(i think) for this checkpoint FW that the only thing it did was block ports. It couldn't even forward them. It just blocked them.. [09:50] wtf?! [09:50] fuzzbawl: i used that before i had removed that checkpoint BS.. [09:51] fuzzbawl: first day of implementation i get a call, "I can't surf Myspace" [09:51] hehe [09:52] our accounts lady, who can't google, complains when her "coupons don't show up" [09:52] Untangle is great because it's a easy way for me to have web filtering link with AD. I block by user. And when users get viruses, i take all internet away. [09:52] Since we started doing that, people have really learned to be careful when surfing. [09:52] fuzzbawl: lol [09:53] fuzzbawl: Ohh speaking of coupon's. Do you remember when Opera had some link on her site about Free KFC? All my users went nuts about it trying to print the couple off..... at work non the less. But this coupon offer was one of those that require you to install a "coupon printer".. [09:54] Whatever the hell that is... but it was blocked from moment one. So many people were pissed.. [09:54] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:54] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Had to be brought up in managers meeting because i even had other managers asking me to unblock it and i said, "Hell no". [09:55] Not that they'd even have rights on the pc to install this printer.. But whatever. [09:55] mini-ITX is so sexy [09:56] agentc0re: was that at your current job? [09:56] godling: yup. [09:56] fuzzbawl: Totally! I have two at home right now. One of which i've retired but plan on using it later and a newer one running my FW. [09:56] agentc0re: what a bunch of idiots. :) [09:57] godling: You've just complimented them all. I am going to have to ask you to do better next time. :P [09:58] There are meteorites floating in space that are smarter than most of the people where i work. [09:58] Action: agentc0re notes he works at a medical facility. [09:58] meteorites don't float in space, agentc0re [09:58] godling: bah, you mean what i know. [09:58] :) [09:59] hehe [09:59] agentc0re: you do IT work from some medical facility? [10:00] for someplace that needs BRI [10:01] gnubien: yes. [10:01] that's depressing [10:02] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:03] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-23.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:03] oh snap, you said PRI [10:04] that makes a lot more sense :P [10:05] lol [10:05] yea, BRI's are more radio/tv industry still [10:05] ancient tech [10:07] fuzzbawl: I didn't know that. [10:08] yep. good old ISDN [10:08] most traditional audio transmission gear still uses ISDN. There are newer units that will do IP but they aren't cheap [10:09] firedix (n=firedix@host245.201-252-162.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:10] xover (n=rich@host86-152-49-116.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:11] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:12] xover (n=rich@host86-152-49-116.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:12] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) joined ##slackware. [10:12] xover (n=rich@host86-152-49-116.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:20] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [10:21] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.87.216) joined ##slackware. [10:22] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:25] hi, i'm trying to verify a slackbuild. but i get can't check signature:public key not found [10:28] saivin: not to be unhelpful.. but --> #slackbuilds [10:28] saivin: the checksums are able to be downloaded, just underneath the build itself [10:28] saivin: how do you verify it ? [10:30] i tried gpg --verify openoffice.org.tar.gz.asc [10:30] both .asc and the build script in the same directory [10:30] it seems correct [10:30] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:30] have you imported the gpg key before you ran this command ? [10:30] gpg key of sbo? [10:30] yes [10:30] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:31] no. i just downloaded the GPG-KEY file in the same directory [10:31] any command? [10:31] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:31] gpg --import i think [10:31] yes [10:32] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:32] gpg --import url_of_sbo? [10:32] gpg --import key.file [10:32] no, url_of_key [10:32] ok will try and get back to you [10:32] it will also work if you pipe it in (I tried it once) [10:33] how [10:33] you can pipe it with cat GPG-KEY |gpg --import [10:33] or gpg --import GPG-KEY its the same [10:34] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [10:34] muhaimin (n=muhaimin@202.152.172.4) joined ##slackware. [10:34] i tried gpg --import http://slackbuilds.org/GPG-KEY, but it says No such file.. [10:34] the url is correct [10:35] try with the local file [10:35] ok [10:35] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:35] how can I list only custom packages that I have installed? [10:36] sorry, you have to use wget. i used wget. :/ [10:36] oahong (n=user@210.51.60.117) joined ##slackware. [10:36] gpg(1) does not directly do http, but it does use keyservers. [10:36] marchhare: /var/log/packages/ contains a list of all packages [10:36] godling: to me? [10:36] DHarry (n=DHarry@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [10:36] yes, sorry I bungled you up saivin [10:36] do your packages have a tag ? [10:36] yes rob0 [10:37] np. i got it done with local file. [10:37] oahong` (n=user@114.28.192.165) joined ##slackware. [10:37] saivin: now --verify should work [10:37] verify worked. but the verify output does not make sense [10:37] you can do wget url_to_remote_key_file -O - |gpg --import [10:37] saivin: what does it say ? [10:38] i mean it gives WARNING: there is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner... [10:38] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:38] Lord_Khelben: I know but there was a way to list only custom installed packages... I just forgot how to do it [10:38] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [10:39] If you're going to use gpg much, it's really handy to configure a keyserver in your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf [10:39] Lord_Khelben: It has the same type of interface as pkgtool [10:40] slackpkg has a dialog interface but i don't know if it shows custom installed packages [10:42] when you compile programs you can use a tag like sbo and alienbob uses. the package name would be foo-1.0.2-i486-1mh for example [10:42] that way you can do ls /var/log/packages/*mh [10:42] it doesn't help you this time but i say it for future use [10:43] Lord_Khelben: Yeah I know I can do that but there was something that I used before that listed all my custom installs like skype etc. and no base packages [10:43] Lord_Khelben: from slackbuilds [10:44] Lord_Khelben: http://pastebin.com/m4c3f343c is that normal? [10:45] marchhare: sbopkg ? [10:46] saivin: yes. see where it says "Good signature from ..."? [10:47] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-67-127-57-193.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] oh..so the line "Good signature..." is the one we should be concerned with [10:47] thank you. [10:47] Lord_Khelben: nope, hmm ill ask in dropline because thats where I last used it [10:47] marchhare: ok [10:48] saivin: it looks like ok, but i don't know for sure [10:48] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-23.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] Lord_Khelben: wanted to learn sig verification. otherwise i trust robby ;-) [10:53] saivin: from what i see in google you can run gpg --edit-key "id of key" (you can see it with gpg --list-keys) and then type trust in the prompt [10:53] this way you won't see the warning again. ofcourse do this only if you trust some key [10:54] Woo!! About 3 years since the inception of the concept, the CEOs calendar is now being handled by Kronolith! Woo!! [10:54] Running on a Slackware box! [10:54] saivin: the only thing you know at this instant is that the signature in openoffice.org.tar.gz.asc was generated by that key you imported. The warning is because you haven't marked the key as actually belonging to them. [10:54] (them == Slackbuilds dev team) [10:56] aank_crom (n=aan@202.62.22.197) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Action: hitest is heading off to work. [10:56] gtg [10:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:56] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [10:57] indhi (n=loby@125.167.126.62) joined ##slackware. [10:58] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:58] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) joined ##slackware. [10:58] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-60-108-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:01] muhaimin (n=muhaimin@202.152.172.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:02] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:02] oh hai :-) [11:02] hello macavity [11:02] Plurk your re [11:02] hello [11:02] indhi (n=loby@125.167.126.62) left ##slackware. [11:02] manako ucu [11:03] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.210.144.107) joined ##slackware. [11:03] 2.6.31 up and running nicely. [11:03] why havent any of you low life secrecy mongeres told my about failblog.org yet?!? [11:04] http://failblog.org/2009/07/24/educational-software-ad-fail/ [11:05] aank_crom (n=aan@202.62.22.197) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:06] heh [11:07] guess who should have taken his own products home and spent some time with them.... [11:07] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:07] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [11:08] wtf, youtube restricting videos based on user's country [11:08] more fail for failblog [11:08] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. 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I was referring to doing slackpkg clean-system which will list all the non base backages you have installed [11:13] its an acer aspire 3000 it has an sis video card [11:13] Perfec7 (n=Linux@201009250222.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Lord_Khelben: it is a good way for me to make a list if I want to upgrade to 13 [11:13] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-xejjeonklsydmaoi) joined ##slackware. [11:13] toastytoast, did you try ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+f6 ? [11:13] marchhare: nice you found it :) [11:14] yeah when i do that it sill jsut a black screen [11:14] toastytoast: Intel Graphics? [11:14] sis [11:14] toastytoast, after the black screen, can you press alt+f7 to go back to gui? [11:15] yeah when i ctrl+alt+f* [11:15] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-23.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:15] cktiger (n=cktiger@81.193.135.207) joined ##slackware. [11:15] but if i ctrl+alt+backspace then no [11:15] cktiger (n=cktiger@81.193.135.207) left irc: Client Quit [11:15] isnt that for X restart? [11:16] i had that with Intel [11:16] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.135.207) joined ##slackware. [11:16] kernel .30 and above fixed it [11:16] Action: pupit must cut my toenails.. [11:17] and i guess that is why Pat has thrown a "more recent" kernel into extra/ [11:17] you may want to test that one out [11:17] pupit: s/my/his/ to be IRC actions compliant :P [11:18] pupit: thanks for reminding me. [11:18] Grinch (n=Gr1nch@74-42-113-123.dr01.atmr.al.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:18] :) hahah [11:19] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:19] macavity: im not complaining rather enjoying.. :p [11:20] toastyto1st (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [11:21] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:21] Nick change: toastyto1st -> toastytoast [11:22] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] If pat is enabled in the Kernel is it safe to disable MTRR? [11:26] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-115-183.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] well the weird thing about it is that i used to be bale to go to konsole from x with out any problems [11:27] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [11:27] i changed somethings in my fluxboix configureation and it stopped workign [11:27] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:28] what si MTRR? [11:28] rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:28] s/si/is [11:28] muhaimin (n=muhaimin@202.152.172.4) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Memory Type Range Registers i think [11:29] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.87.216) left ##slackware. [11:29] macavity: chick i slept with last night was a full-on machoist. 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[11:48] Action: spook kisses slackboy [11:50] sidmario (n=xxx@201-43-54-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:50] firedix (n=firedix@host245.201-252-162.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [11:50] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest64672 [11:51] paissad-hp (n=paissad@130.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:55] spook: nice :-) [11:56] She was macho? [11:56] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:3c3) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:56] mocha [11:56] anyhow, see you later [11:56] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [11:57] o/ [11:58] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:59] mr_patterson: it means she gets sexual pleasure for pain. [11:59] from [11:59] No it doesn't. It means you used the wrong word. [12:00] This may seem like a silly question though can a laptop actually use pcmcia cardbus internally and not actually have the pcmcia slot available such as in a netbook? [12:00] rob0: i've been drinking, i cant speall complicated words like that [12:00] mrselfpwn,not that i know of [12:01] persilon (n=ariel@190.55.191.194) joined ##slackware. [12:02] hi everybody [12:02] okay, thank you. [12:03] I didn't know if the knew ExpressCard slot uses any pcmcia technology. [12:04] it should be a chipset-specific thing (like windows won't even detect that there is one) [12:04] Though i think ExpressCard slot is actually PCI Express mini [12:05] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [12:05] mrselfpwn yep, so far as i know [12:05] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] hi, is anybody having performance issues with slack 13.0 and the X intel driver ? [12:09] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [12:09] johndee (n=id@93-81-138-23.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:09] hi. is it possible with fluxbox to have two monitors connected and show workspace X on monitor A and workspace Y on monitor B? [12:10] josteint: I don't know about that, but there are easier alternatives. [12:11] how? [12:11] josteint im interested in this also ^ ill be reading [12:12] persilon (n=ariel@190.55.191.194) left irc: "Leaving" [12:12] josteint: Use one work space spread across two displays? [12:12] no [12:12] josteint: Start a different X session? [12:12] he wants seperate workspaces per display i beleive probably with all the usual fluxbox usability [12:13] yes. not one wiiide workspace, but workspace 1 for mon1 and workspace 2 for mon2 [12:14] josteint: Your question is probably this: How do I use two (or more) workspaces at the same time? [12:15] mr_patterson: yes :) [12:16] Nick change: g4tt0 -> G`Bs32smAam [12:18] josteint: I might be pleasantly surprised, but I can't see a way to do that :) [12:19] i think its possible :P [12:20] to lazy to go google it though [12:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425673.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] >.> [12:21] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:23] It seems to be default behavior with xmonad so it is possible in theary. [12:23] s/theary/theory [12:23] rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:23] If I read correctly. [12:25] http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70433 Read veek's entry. [12:26] mrselfpwn: That is interesting. [12:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:33] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [12:33] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:33] Nick change: G`Bs32smAam -> G`Blues [12:33] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:34] So, aside from not having to manually switch between workspaces, what is the advantage of having two workspaces in the same X session on two different displays? [12:34] there isn't? [12:34] That's my thought. [12:35] neonflux (n=mrjones@ip67-152-80-226.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:35] it'd only be nice if you had multiple monitors, IMO [12:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:36] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [12:36] huh [12:37] DrPepper (n=123@213.167.198.39) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Necos: Given two monitors, I still don't see any advantage (yet). [12:37] lol ^ [12:38] it might be nice for document or pdf reading while coding [12:38] or other forms of documentation [12:38] Action: CcSsNET points at google [12:38] CcSsNET: Then how is that different from having one large workspace spread across two displays? [12:38] yea [12:38] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:38] Oh I used it extensively when I was doing land title research, reading deeds in PDF, making notes in a spreadsheet, each full-screen. [12:38] good point i guess [12:39] shit man i cant build otrproxy on anything [12:39] lol, so noob [12:39] oh, maybe I don't get what you're saying. [12:39] Yeah, but you can do that with one screen stretched over two monitors. No need for separate workspaces. [12:39] lol, i just thought of something... what if both displays were the same (2 seperate connectors on the same monitor) [12:39] that could prove very interesting [12:39] but having seperate workspaces is a cool concept [12:39] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:39] thrice`, build it bitch [12:39] sorry, at work [12:40] thought so! noob [12:40] do you have wx crap installed? [12:40] yea, tried 2.6 [12:40] and 2.8 [12:40] using it on non-gtk shit though, tried on debian [12:41] i'll try on slack when i get to the try office [12:41] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] No, I guess mine was a single workspace, in that I could drag a window from one monitor to the other. That's how I would want it. [12:41] jeev is evil [12:41] jeevil [12:42] / [12:44] Have any of you guys tried using e4defrag? [12:45] nope [12:47] fsck off [12:47] sry, wrong chan [12:47] winter: ? 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[12:50] this is of course the compat32 package of openal [12:51] mrselfpwn: Is e4defrag needed in order to go from ext3 to ext4? [12:51] I remember seeing something about how ext4 doesn't fragment easily. [12:52] alkos333: I do not know. [12:53] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.210.144.107) left ##slackware. [12:53] mrselfpwn: I was trying to clarify your question there. [12:53] i'd leave ext4 alone personally [12:53] out-of-order file writes aren't fun [12:53] It's just that I have heard defragging some filesystems can actually be bad for them. Though I don't know how the userspace tool does it. [12:54] Necos: I've had my /home in ext4 every since 2.6.30 was released and haven't had any problems. [12:54] i've had all my -current machines on ext4 since just before 13RC1 [12:54] The newer kernels have improved ext4 greatly. [12:56] mrselfpwn: agreed [12:56] i was reading the thread back in july about the out of order file writes... [12:56] 13 has 2.6.29? [12:56] didn't sound like the most fun [12:56] I didn't start using it until after 2.6.30 because of instability issues. [12:56] mr_patterson yep [12:57] Action: alkos333 is running a custom 2.6.31 [12:57] yeah, i think .30 was still in rc at the time [12:57] you patched 2.6.31? what patches? [12:57] Action: alkos333 has 48 tabs open in FF 3.5.3 and it's still running very smoothly [12:58] mancha: I didn't patch. [12:58] so what does custom mean? [12:58] mancha: I went from 2.6.30 to 2.6.31 [12:58] mancha: Means that you don't use the stock Slack kernel, but configure/compile your own. [12:58] alkos333: me too. what type pc are you on? [12:58] mrselfpwn: ThinkPad T60 E7U 1953 [12:59] ok, it is stock kernel source then, not custom. you mean you configured it yourself :) [12:59] mancha: When people say custom kernel, they imply configuration, not source code :) [12:59] i'm on lenovoS10 [13:00] haha [13:00] mrselfpwn: Congrats. They are very slim. How do you like it? [13:00] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:00] we were thinking about buying S10s for the school here, but i think they're quoted too high to be useful [13:00] Nick change: Guest64672 -> sidmario [13:00] alkos333: it has worked great for me. [13:01] hmmm... [13:01] I changed the broadcom wireless card to one supported natively in the kernel. [13:01] this is ass lol [13:01] mew mew drunk [13:01] the default wireless cards are a pain and the drivers need a different patch with each kernel release. [13:01] i really like the look of KDE4 apps, but kontact is now useless [13:01] to be honest, the benefits from ext4 do not seem to justify the potential for data loss [13:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [13:02] mancha, it's because of ext3 in ordered-write mode [13:02] online defrag? sure sounds nice but does ext3 really frag that much? [13:02] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] so app devs didn't write in flushes [13:02] Necos, what is because? [13:03] the data loss [13:03] the point is the same delayed write that helps keep frag to a minimum and perf up is what increases the chance for data loss [13:04] basically, any time you do file operations (e.g., change a config file via gui), the file is modified / old deleted / new file written [13:04] yeah, so app devs were expected to write flushes so that the activities happened in the right order [13:05] LKML has the whole thing where Linus was shitting on folks about it [13:05] not sure i follow, i am comparing ext3 to ext4 [13:06] mancha, we're talking about the same thing :) [13:06] the issue is the frequency of fsync calls, isn't it? [13:07] yep [13:07] Yiv (n=yiv@adsl-152-222-246.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] ok, so you're saying the devs have been lazy about the fsync's? [13:07] in ext3, you were promised to have atomic file changes happen in the right order [13:07] I will admit, i've been using ext4 for a while now and did have data loss once, though it was only after I dropped my laptop on the floor. [13:07] How can I load the setup program used on DVD installation? [13:07] because the default mode was --data-ordered or somesuch [13:08] in ext4, they undid that (which is why ext3 was so slow), but the problem is that app devs didn't catch on [13:08] in ext3 the fs has either file.old or file.new after a crash [13:08] in ext4 this might not happen [13:08] since you have rm file.old -> crash -> zippo [13:08] because of the out of order file operations [13:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nurahnbsxdeznpmb) left irc: [13:09] or, you might get files of 0 size [13:10] not sure why you blame the devs [13:10] it is the fs that has to handle the filesstem [13:10] it's a double-fault actually [13:10] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:10] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-24.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:11] app devs should have been warned of the change _BEFORE_ ext4 hit mainline [13:11] Anyone? [13:11] Yiv: I don't recall the command. [13:12] you are talking about after slack has been installed right? [13:12] Correct. [13:12] pkgtool ? [13:13] yes, it's under pkgtool [13:13] Before the installation, the user simply runs "setup" as root and the system installation menu pops up. [13:13] under pkgtool there is a setup choice [13:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Necos i am not familiar enough with this to speak too intelligently about it, i'll read more before discussing further with you :) [13:14] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Uhh, found it. [13:14] mancha, Thank you. [13:14] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] no prob Yiv [13:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] mancha, i just read the LKML article way back when lol [13:17] heh, i've not done that even. i will try to dig up the thread. [13:18] in my experience, performance wise, ext3 treats me well. so before i switch i want there to be a really good reason (cautious that way) [13:19] hehe [13:19] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:19] there isn't [13:22] martinus (n=martinus@202.93.37.92) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] brb >.<; [13:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.23.139) joined ##slackware. [13:28] what exactly is amateur radio support? [13:28] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [13:29] mrselfpwn, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio [13:30] PurpleSmurf (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] something i don't need then. 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[14:09] that just means you need to improve your people skills :P [14:09] He refuses to improve. [14:10] mr_patterson: what are you talking about? I am the improvement [14:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:10] That's what I mean :P [14:12] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) left irc: "leaving" [14:13] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) joined ##slackware. [14:13] heh... [14:15] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:19] PurpleSmurf (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "[BX] iT's bEttEr tO bUrN oUt tHaN tO fAdE aWaY" [14:20] Atrickit (n=Atrickit@200-158-179-248.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:20] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [14:22] nheco (n=nheco@200.203.105.183) joined ##slackware. [14:23] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:23] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "leaving" [14:28] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:5a1) joined ##slackware. [14:31] trying to build otrproxy and again, error [14:31] too bad i cant coded [14:31] code [14:31] wxmainframe.h:56: error: extra qualification 'wxMainFrame::' on member 'OnTreeItemSelect' [14:31] wxmainframe.h:57: error: extra qualification 'wxMainFrame::' on member 'OnCollapseAttempt' [14:31] son of a filthy whore [14:32] jeev: look at the compile commands. See if there's -Werror somewhere in the the gcc and/or g++ commands [14:33] rapid_ (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [14:34] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/Dominian) joined ##slackware. [14:34] if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../src -I/usr/lib/wx/include/gtk2-unicode-release-2.8 -I/usr/include/wx-2.8 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGE_FILES -D__WXGTK__ -pthread -g -O2 -MT wxotrproxy.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/wxotrproxy.Tpo" -c -o wxotrproxy.o wxotrproxy.cpp; \ [14:34] then mv -f ".deps/wxotrproxy.Tpo" ".deps/wxotrproxy.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/wxotrproxy.Tpo"; exit 1; fi [14:34] that's what borks [14:35] OK, so it's not just a warning that got promoted to an error. Bummer. [14:36] :< [14:37] is wxmainframe.h part of otrproxy, or part of wxwindows/wxgtk/whatever [14:37] ? [14:37] the wx stuff i built with sbopkg [14:38] yes. Look in /var/log/packages/wxwhatever, see if wxmainframe.h is part of that package [14:38] or, look in the otrproxy source directory, see if it contains wxmainframe.h [14:39] hi could someone with the working nvidia 6600 card could paset his xorg.conf file here ? [14:39] I don't have wx installed, and it takes a while to build, so I can't easily just look for myself [14:39] Emeaudroide (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-86-162.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:39] wxGTK-2.8.9 [14:39] sec [14:40] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Reconnecting" [14:40] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:40] the gui for p7zip requires either wxGTK or wxPython. Which is preffered? [14:40] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:40] ./wxui/wxmainframe.h [14:41] comes with otrproxy [14:41] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:41] preferred* [14:41] mrselfpwn: IIRC, wxPyton actually contains wxGTK, so probably wxPython is better [14:41] ah okay. thank you. [14:41] jeev: OK, simple and probably wrong way to try to fix it: edit ./wxui/wxmainframe.h, remove the "wxMainFrame::" from lines 56 and 57 [14:42] doubtful that it'll work, but at least it's easy to try [14:44] already tried that last night [14:44] and i got (which i just did again) [14:44] wxmainframe.cpp:167: error: no 'void wxMainFrame::OnTreeItemSelect(wxTreeEvent&)' member function declared in class 'wxMainFrame' [14:44] wxmainframe.cpp:215: error: no 'void wxMainFrame::OnCollapseAttempt(wxTreeEvent&)' member function declared in class 'wxMainFrame' [14:44] use a fucking pastebin [14:45] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:45] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:45] practor (n=franz@170.85.81-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] it's two lines you dick [14:46] hi guys [14:46] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [14:46] anyone here managed to use xfce's out of the box hibernate capability? [14:46] yep [14:46] jeev: its 6 lines you dick [14:46] I nad to add myself to a group [14:46] Good morrow, lads and lasses. How goes the battle? [14:46] Kaapa: groovy, which group? [14:47] "power" [14:47] the power [14:47] it's 6 lines in like 5 minutes yo uyturd [14:47] ah yeah, i'm in that group already [14:47] suspend works like a charm [14:47] Urchlay, anything? :d [14:47] 80 character width [14:47] hibernate just gives me a blank screen [14:47] hi could someone with the working nvidia 6600 card could paset his xorg.conf file here ? [14:48] paul424: are you trying to use the nvidia binary driver? [14:48] anyone have a slackbuild for giFTcurs? I wish I knew how to code an update for that program, or to find some other curses-based gnutella or something [14:48] practor: so whats the problem? [14:48] jeev: Your unchecked agression will not stand, man. [14:48] practor: yes [14:48] lol [14:48] sahko: hibernate doesn't work, but suspend does [14:48] I'm still trying to suss out the meaning of the word "uyturd". [14:49] paul424: i had some problems using the binary driver, i had to use the 2.6.30.5 kernel to make it work [14:50] maybe the wxgtk i'm using is too new [14:50] practor: works here. are you sure you waited long enough? hibernating and then waking up doesnt happen instantly [14:50] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "peace" [14:50] paul: Not the same card, but I had trouble getting it to even build on Slack 12.2. The Slackbuilds script, though, worked like a charm. It was a real "I can see! I can see!" sort of moment. [14:50] practor: great, but it was working for me on 2.4.x until I changed the xorg.conf by mistake .... anyway could you paste your xorg.conf ? [14:51] sahko: ok i'll give it a try later. [14:51] paul424: what errors do you see in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [14:51] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [14:52] ya know... building kde3.5 apps with 4 installed is quite a pain in the ass [14:52] heres my xorg.conf http://paste.linuxassist.net/215025. look a the lines 62 - 74 there were options set which I have screwed .... [14:52] Serves you right for not using what you're given in 4 :P [14:52] jeev: blah. The easy fix doesn't fix it. If I'm going to help with this, I'll have to build wxGTK first [14:53] once I got the proper xorg.conf file from here from a person who made it working [14:53] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-245-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:53] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:53] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:54] if you're using the binary driver from Nvidia, then your driver line (76) should be nvidia instead of nv [14:54] nv is the native x.org driver [14:54] want me to send you the sbopkg i built [14:54] no [14:55] And it was my understanding that the nv driver conflicts with the binary nvidia module. [14:55] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-47-245-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:55] it does [14:55] it rewries mesa libs [14:55] I'm on 64-bit here, and actually it's not quite 13.0 (I haven't updated it from old -current yet) [14:55] ahh [14:56] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-71-217.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] in fact I ought to update this box to 13.0 today, it's just laziness that I haven't yet [14:56] ... a slacking slacker! [14:56] Maybe it's my growing familiarity with the system, but I swear upgrading gets easier every time. [14:57] (well, and the fact that right now it works fine... after updating xorg, I'll have to fight with the nvidia proprietary crap and with HAL to get xorg to do what I want) [14:57] it does [14:57] building 2.5.5 now [14:57] from experience, i add less stuff and customize less with each upgrade [14:57] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:58] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) joined ##slackware. [14:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:59] _bruno__ (n=bruno@189-47-245-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:59] practor: some stuff I do, will always have to be done... I always rm /usr/share/vim/vimXX/vimrc because my ~/.vimrc does everything I want it to, for instance [14:59] (and the stock vimrc turns on stuff that I don't know how to turn off from ~/.vimrc, too) [15:00] i always thought for things that already exist in ~/, the prgram looks there first [15:00] Urchlay: that's unusual, i though the home dir configs took precedence [15:00] most programs [15:00] not vim apparently [15:00] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:00] so vim is an exception [15:00] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] It's too cool to go home. The bar's are open somewhere, after all. [15:00] i use emacs, so never had that problem [15:00] I mean vim does look at both files [15:01] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [15:01] xemacs is just ugly [15:01] the one in /usr/share, as shipped, turns on the option that saves the cursor position in each file, across editing sessions [15:01] and turning that option back off in ~/.vimrc doesn't work [15:02] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [15:02] when I go "vi somefile", I do NOT want it to remember the cursor position from the last time I edited that file, especially if it was last week or even last year [15:02] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:03] true... [15:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] also with the stock vimrc, if I'm editing C or C++ code, and I type a line "// this is a comment" and press Enter, it "helpfully" automatically inserts "//" on the next line as soon as I hit Enter. I couldn't figure out how to turn that off in ~/.vimrc [15:04] (dammit, if I wanted to type a block comment, I'd use /* */, not //) [15:04] ugh [15:04] hehe true [15:04] brb [15:05] bleah, I thought I'd fixed the space bar on this keyboard, it's bouncing again :( [15:05] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Client Quit [15:06] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. 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[15:12] good weekend everyone :-) [15:12] quasar: That's a harsh way to fix both problems, that's like shooting a mosquito with a bazooka. :/ [15:12] ivenkys: you can use any login manager with any DE/WM [15:12] greetings macavity, how are you? [15:12] fire|bird: it works, dont it? [15:13] ivenkys: there isn't one. I use slim. [15:13] quasar: yeah, true. I guess you could say, "The keys would hit the fan" :/ [15:13] sitwon: yup i know - i dont want to do exec <> in .xinitrc [15:13] macavity: so... [15:13] macavity: will be good if the terrorist trap car in the front of my house wont explede [15:13] fire|bird: i have a foot long sandwich with double tunar-$COUSINETERM, so have a guess at how i am doing ;-) [15:13] if your favorite keyboard got coffee spilled in it, you'd at least *try* to fix it, wouldn't you? [15:14] winter: if it is a terrorist trap car, isnt it *supposed* to explode?!? [15:14] macavity: I would say doing very well. :) [15:14] the're waiting. [15:14] Urchlay: I'd take the keys off and toss it in the dishwasher then let it dry out for about a week [15:14] Action: macavity lubs tunarfish [15:14] quasar: I've had mixed results washing these keyboards in the dishwasher [15:14] Slim is nice. Very lightweight, no nonsense, small footprint. Use that on my netbook. [15:15] ThinkPad keyboards are wonderful, coffee-spill-proof and easy to clean [15:15] Action: winter 's not using any login manager [15:15] yes MrHales, me too [15:15] mrselfpwn: hmm - i think it is xfwm well at least according to wikipedia [15:15] they also feel like you're typing on overcooked spaghetti [15:15] mrselfpwn: long day - brain not working [15:15] I've only had problems with it once, first time I did it I didnt' let it dry out long enough [15:15] IBM made the perfect keyboard back in the late 80s, the model M [15:15] no login manager = 30 fps more in q3a in my case [15:15] ivenkys: i'm thinking of login manager [15:15] winter: single user mode? [15:15] ivenkys: that sounds like a window manager, not a login manager [15:15] multi lol [15:15] yes for window manager it is xfwm [15:15] then you are using a login manager [15:16] ivenkys: that's xfce's window manager. [15:16] mrselfpwn: sitwon : gents i will now go and hit my head on the desk - you are of course right - its the window manager [15:16] anyway, i'm switching to lenny [15:16] Urchlay: most of my friends have Model M's but none of them will share with me :( [15:16] probably [15:16] either agetty or [X/K/G]DM [15:16] Action: ivenkys its in the name dummy [15:16] macavity: what do you think, am i lucky? [15:16] Still using my Micro$oft keyboard. The only bit I've yet to ditch... it's comfortable though and the keys are all smoothed out nicely. [15:17] spook: maybe :P [15:17] I like Dell keyboards, sadly [15:17] sitwon: if you can find a computer salvage yard, or a used computer shop with lots of old stuff in the back, you can usually find a stash of model Ms cheap [15:17] spook: if it works out between you, then yes.. otherwise, no ;-) [15:17] probably noty [15:17] MrHales: Microsoft and Dell put their names on some really nice quality keyboards [15:17] I'm not a fan of Logitech [15:17] hm, the only dell keyboards I ever used were crap $2 throwaways [15:18] Hardware may well be the thing Micro$oft does right. [15:18] lol [15:18] microsoft makes the money [15:18] Yeah. [15:18] They do the same with software. [15:18] does that mean if there is no login manager - you have to use .xinitrc to start Xrfce [15:18] MrHales: that is, have everything but the logo done out of house :P [15:18] Urchlay: even Dells worst keyboards are 100x better than a Gateway/HP/Compaq/Acer/other-crappy-manufacturer keyboard [15:18] Like the original Windows! [15:18] we just got a batch of new dell pro keyboards. they're awesome. low profile, similar to laptop ones [15:18] :-D [15:19] sadly they havent learned to outsource windows 100% yet [15:19] 3.11? [15:19] I wish I knew what was going on with microsoft's "media transport protocol", why'd they even bother to invent a replacement for the filesystem, for devices like mp3 players? [15:19] ivenkys: you can start it from [GKX]DM [15:19] macavity: oh its already finished lol [15:19] Slackware's default is KDM, I believe, and it will start Xfce just fine [15:19] Urchlay: lol, did you get any farther with that mp3 player? [15:19] sitwon: sorry where is that to be configured ..? [15:20] Micro$oft motto: Embrace, Extend, Eliminate [15:20] fire|bird: yeah. I can mount and read it just fine with mtpfs, but writing only semi-works [15:20] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-47-245-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:20] They make a proprietary fs for media players that only works with M$ file types and OS... [15:20] fire|bird: and on my good machine that actually has USB 2.0 ports, it's not too slow [15:20] spook fsck! [15:20] ivenkys: when you login you select the "session type" and it remebers your last selection the next time you log in [15:20] MrHales: yah, except it's been reverse-engineered enough that I can at least read it in Linux [15:21] I only use mechanical keyboards. my new Filco keyboard with cherry brown mx switches is *nice*. [15:21] Speaking of syncing ... utility for playing around inside a mobile phone? [15:21] I found one... and then lost it. [15:21] DasKeyboard looks pretty sexy [15:21] Urchlay: Were you able to get the music off to be able to use the other mode and not have to mess with MTP again? [15:21] winter: what? [15:21] fsck! [15:21] It's prolly still installed, but I have no idea what it was called. [15:21] what, what? in da butt! [15:22] Marno (n=DrPepper@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:22] fire|bird: if I mount the device (say, on /mnt/mtp), then "mkdir /mnt/mtp/foo", then "cp ~/something.mp3 /mnt/mtp/foo", it appears to work, but the file actually ends up in /mnt/mtp/something.mp3, not /mnt/mtp/foo/something.mp3 [15:22] there is a filco with cherry blues, which is same switch in das. [15:22] No, no, in da phone! [15:22] sitwon: i havent really used xdm before , and i didnt want to bring in half of gnome or kde for the login manager - many thanks [15:22] slava_dp (n=family@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Urchlay: haha, well, at least it does something. :P [15:22] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] fire|bird: and trying to write anything to /mnt/mtp/Playlists causes the thing to disconnect, so I have to umount/remount it [15:22] MrHales: Depending on which phone you have BitPim is what I use. [15:22] winter: its a me-a, mario [15:22] spook: good old contract based negotiation of a hit-and-run affair? [15:23] ivenkys: the login manager doesn't load gnome or kde, it really has nothing to do with them at all (other than the first letter in the name) [15:23] Mebbe that was it... [15:23] macavity: no just some inexperienced chick who i charmed into bed twice [15:23] fire|bird: if I actually owned this mp3 player, I'd just switch it to MCS (regular USB storage device) mode, but it isn't mine [15:23] Yes, i use it to load ringtones and pics without having to use verizons overpriced "get it now" [15:23] well if she's still inexperienced after 2 times you failes [15:23] spook: i hope you prepped her well for her venture into the dark relm [15:24] Urchlay: yeah, that'd certainly be easier to do. :P [15:24] anybody knows why openvpn bogs down my systems to a crawl? like, symbols transfer over ssh over a lan connection like it's a 14.4 modem. [15:24] Woot! Thanks, mrselfpwn! [15:24] np :) [15:24] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.214.199) joined ##slackware. [15:24] ivenkys: see xdm(1) and xinit(1) if you want to know who all that connects [15:24] Urchlay: what would it take to switch that mp3 player to MCS? hardware mod? [15:24] practor (n=franz@170.85.81-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:25] macavity: her neck is pretty much all red/purple from bites [15:25] and her nipples will be sore for a month [15:25] Pig_Pen: just a setting in the player. [15:25] Pig_Pen: nah, I'd have to copy all the files off it, use its built-in menu to switch to MCS mode, then format it, then copy everything back to it [15:25] spook: let us keep the detail level down.. this is after all a public channel [15:25] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [15:25] spook: feel free to PM me with all the juicy stuff though ;-) [15:26] lol [15:26] My nipples explode with delight! [15:26] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-33-48.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:26] msg macavity then she swallowed the whole thing! [15:26] hmm, sounds like a better mp3 player than an ipod, at least it offers that feature [15:26] pics or it never happened ! [15:26] lol [15:26] epicfail :P [15:26] hahaha [15:26] macavity: thanks [15:26] intentionalfail [15:26] Pig_Pen: Sansa Clip v2, 2GB model, I think they're currently on sale at Wal-mart for $20 [15:27] so, now that you have been properly laid, go hack up some kernel patches ;-) [15:27] i gotta get one of those, only 20 bucks! [15:27] screw the kernel [15:27] i can play music and use it as a storage device [15:27] ivenkys: see the /etc/X11/xinit/* files too [15:28] Pig_Pen: $29.88 for 1G $39.88 for 2G [15:28] ah, not as cheap as I thought [15:28] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-33-48.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:28] hmm... my music don't show up in BitPim [15:28] walmart has *some* kind of mp3 player for $20 though [15:29] MrHales: look at the log on bitpim to make sure it is actually connecting to the device. [15:30] It's connected. Gets phonebook, logs, texts, yadda... there's just no music heading under media [15:30] if it does you should be able to click on "FileSystem" to access entire file tree in the phone. [15:30] and find your music [15:31] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] lets see what newegg has for mp3players [15:31] heh, I'm just reading that tick saliva could hold key to cancer cure. [15:32] Pig_Pen: The sansa clip is really nice, doesn't support a card though (in case that matters) and charges by USB. [15:32] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855507008 20 bucks [15:33] Man up and get an iPod. [15:33] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.230.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] mr_patterson: I'll stick with my ogg/flac supporting Sansa. :) [15:33] Action: deco slaps mr_patterson [15:33] Pig_Pen: from that page: "Cons: #1. USB 2.0 FULL-SPEED device -- not Hi-speed! (Check out mfg. product page) The manual states the speed erroneously in 2 places. You'll get 1.5 MB/s max (12mbps) upload to the player." [15:33] hey deco [15:33] hey fire|bird [15:34] fire|bird: Rockbox will give you that support (and more). [15:34] yeah, i was just getting to the specs [15:34] that would annoy me a lot, if I were wanting to use it also as a normal storage device [15:34] always check the specs before buying [15:34] mr_patterson: I know, I have that on my other sansa. :) [15:34] Action: mr_patterson says, "Slap me more and harder!" [15:34] :O [15:34] Action: macavity slaps mr_patterson more and harder [15:34] "And call me Becky" [15:35] BECKY! [15:35] wait what? :P [15:35] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [15:35] CUPCAKES! [15:35] mr_patterson is now known as mrs_patterson [15:35] Tag teamed. Was that good for everyone? [15:35] Action: deco spanks mr_patterson you like that ? [15:35] becky patterson [15:35] msg macavity then she told me to call her becky [15:35] Pig_Pen: And Bingo was his name-0. [15:35] MrHales: what kind of slackbuild did you used >.... didn't know that thery are build for drivers ......... [15:36] lol [15:36] For nvidia? [15:36] yes [15:36] My card required the legacy drivers [15:36] deco: LoL [15:36] I just went to SBo and searched Slack 13 for "nvidia" [15:36] Whammo, there they be. [15:36] there were at least .SlackBuilds of nvidia-bin for 12.1 [15:36] mr_patterson: you should cry not laugh :P lol [15:37] exactly [15:37] and it is a good idea to use them [15:37] that way mesa does not get clubbered [15:37] A very very good idea. [15:37] one kinda annoying thing about the sansa, you have to drill down 2 or 3 levels of menu to turn shuffle on/off (there really ought to just be a separate button for that) [15:37] Especially since (and it was probably my fault) I could not, for the life of me, get the kernel module to build. [15:38] deco: Pain arouses [15:38] Action: deco is waiting for a check to buy a slackware shirt [15:38] The SBo script, however, worked like a charm... nicer thing is that it makes upgrading to the next release (if there is one) that much simpler. [15:38] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:38] yup [15:39] Good Night World [15:39] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [15:39] you wouldnt happen to be running a nonsmp kernel? [15:39] that is the most frequent reason why the nvidia drivers fail [15:39] I'm not. [15:39] goodski [15:39] Dual core. [15:40] even if you were on a single core you should still run an smp kernel [15:40] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.72.248) left ##slackware. [15:40] Yeah, that's what I'd read. [15:40] you should only ever run a nonsmp kernel if it refuses to boot an smp one [15:40] msg macavity then i smp'ed her kernel, if you know what i mean [15:42] Okay, so, there's the file system... cool... wtf are my pictures? [15:43] Found music... no pics [15:43] ntfs? [15:44] I have smp kernel , also it builds the kernel module well .... Also I have the slacware 12.0 , and the newest script is wriottten for the slackware 13.0 ? can I run it without pain on slac 12.0 ? [15:44] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:45] paul424: you can try [15:45] witukind (n=witukind@213.49.233.133) left irc: "Leaving" [15:45] paul424: you can always remove the packages again [15:45] There is no try, paul424 . [15:45] mr_patterson: ??? [15:46] paul424: do or do not. [15:46] i have one PC with a non SMP cpu with a custom built kernel for it and nvidia runs just fine on it, i guess it is the stock kernel is where that "nvidia driver on non-smp kernels" comes up [15:46] MrHales: I think my pictures were in an obscure place on the filesystem. There was a folder called pictures and they weren't even located there. [15:47] Pig_Pen: non-smp cpu != non-smp kernel [15:47] Yep, that's where I'm at now... brew... [15:47] Pig_Pen: the vanilla case is because of the kernel header mismatch [15:47] hmm, you have a good point macavity [15:48] Action: macavity usually does [15:48] :P [15:48] macavity usually does Dallas? [15:48] except when i am totally barking up the wrong tree... in the wrong forrest! [15:48] s/usually/always/ :P [15:48] fire|bird: i wish :P [15:48] msg macavity then i reused this joke too many times [15:49] spook: we noticed :P [15:49] I think I just saw the most ridiculous "free gift" commercial.. it was for All American Gym.. you get a "free gift membership" for three years.. you just pay a $99 "maintenance fee" every year [15:49] that's straight bullshit, isn't it. [15:49] lol. [15:49] Hey, what does "birds of a feather" mean? [15:49] mr_patterson: it means, call you zoey [15:50] /brew/mod/10888 [15:50] mr_patterson: like when you see a drunkard who finds his way to hanging out with a bunch of other drunks. Birds of a feather flock together. [15:50] That's where I found my pictures. [15:50] Such logical organization!! [15:50] heheh [15:50] yes! [15:50] Marno (n=DrPepper@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:50] MrHales: What model phone is it? [15:50] briareus: Ah, same kind. [15:50] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:5a1) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] enV2 [15:51] LG [15:51] oh [15:51] Action: deco is thinking of trying arch linux [15:51] i know an excersize program that pays you, its call a job that involves manual labor [15:52] LoL! [15:52] making tater tots? [15:52] deco: get out [15:52] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [15:52] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-245-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:52] construction type trades jeev [15:52] deco: it used to be a nice distro [15:52] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-245-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:52] jeev: you still here? [15:53] deco: now they have seven and a half different official package managers that try to solve what cannot be solved [15:53] omfg, I'm going to have to manually save every file individually?! [15:53] macavity: isn't it just pacman ? [15:53] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: Client Quit [15:53] Urchlay: you sound like a gun turret from Portal :P [15:53] huh? [15:53] if the error is : (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) ? what does it means ... I mean the gl libraries are where that should be ... cause the installtion logs are fine ... so whats the possible error ? [15:53] deco: yaout i think the hip thing is called now [15:53] macavity: that's the only one [15:54] paul424: that means that you should remove the line that loads GLX from xorg.conf [15:54] paul424: the nvidia driver has its own built in [15:54] MrHales: idk, try ctrl+a to select all or use the ctrl key to select multiples? [15:54] No go... blarg. [15:54] deco: i just saw my buddy bug with it yesterday.. it is completely rediculous [15:54] deco: not to mention an order of magintude slower than slackpkg [15:55] be right back [15:55] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [15:55] Ah, backup directory... let's see what that does. [15:55] macavity: well it's a rolling release... [15:55] I know there is an option to at least back up your contacts. [15:55] deco: and i dont see any tangible benefit, unless you are so die hard pressed for diskspace that you dont have room for all of l/ [15:55] deco: i know... Arch is the distro i know the seccond best these days [15:55] 3/64 Getting files - Reading brew/mod/10888/nnnnnnnnnn.jpg [15:55] yeesh. [15:55] cool [15:56] this may take a minute. [15:56] macavity: i just want to try something differen't right now... :P [15:56] deco: It's a good distribution in that it forces you to examine yourself, your dreams and fears. [15:56] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [15:56] deco: go for DesktopBSD then ;-) [15:56] I was curious about placing brew games on to the phone using bitpim though I ran into a dead end with it. [15:56] macavity: wireless :( [15:56] deal with it ;-) [15:56] macavity: broadcom i can't :P [15:56] wow, I like ncdu [15:57] rip it out [15:57] Me: "I want Linux. What distro should I use?" Guru: "Installing Slackware is good for the soul." Me: "Okay!" [15:57] macavity: ok just disabled all the modules and it still not work ... any clue which one should be on ? [15:57] I've never looked back. [15:57] paul424: try the nvidia-config tool thingie [15:57] i openly abuse people who dont use slackware [15:57] paul424: you can see the contents of the package in /var/log/nvidia* [15:58] spook: And nobody has beaten you up yet? [15:58] paul424: i dont remember its name.. as i dont do proprietary software [15:58] mr_patterson: i'm 6" with a blackbelt in two martial arts :P [15:58] spook: you spit on people in wheel chairs too?!? [15:58] :P [15:58] paul424: You're trying to generate xorg.conf? [15:58] The other night I saw somebody make use of a term with which I was not yet familiar: Ubuntards That is still making me giggle. [15:58] according to distrowatch, incognito distrib has had 0 hits/day in the last 12 months. i wanna try that one [15:58] macavity: if i wanted to sure [15:58] stupid wheelchair people [15:58] spook: you're 6 inches tall? No wonder you needed to learn self-defense! [15:58] spook: im 5,11 you wan't a match ? :P [15:58] hahaha [15:59] want* [15:59] mancha: lol [15:59] deco: match? is that meant to be a fight with rules? [15:59] that's pretty incognito [15:59] Urchlay: LoL [15:59] spook: hmmmmm nah forget that lets do it on the streets :P [15:59] spook: abusing people for not using slackware is the equivalent of abusing people in wheelchairs for not running a marathon ;-) [15:59] /usr/bin/nvidia-settings [15:59] macavity: reminds me of ubuntards :P [15:59] that one [16:00] macavity: well i fix their ubuntu problems [16:00] then show them that slackware is better [16:00] slackware is not better.. it is just easier if you already knew how ;-) [16:00] I had to look it up. [16:00] Action: mrselfpwn seeks enlightenment. [16:00] I generally don't need to use it. [16:00] What exactly is GPIO and do I need it? [16:01] yes [16:01] deco: what arts have you studied? [16:01] mrselfpwn: Then you need to sit your ass down by a Bodhi tree. [16:01] if you are ever in doubt, then you ned it [16:01] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-180-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] it says if unsure say no >> [16:01] mrselfpwn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPIO [16:01] firedix (n=firedix@host245.201-252-162.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:02] spook: non i was just messing with ya :P [16:02] deco: oh. [16:02] I need support for my petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, a caustic agent present in our air, our bodies and all our water supplies. [16:02] i have a yellow belt in judo :P [16:02] who wants to fight? [16:03] Action: spook takes starts grapling with macavity [16:03] fight fight! [16:03] Action: macavity bites spook in the nose [16:03] unsportsman like conduct. :P [16:03] i have a leather belt [16:03] dihydrogen = H2 monoxide = o [16:03] I'm 6'4", 275 lbs. with a platinum belt in "I kill you" [16:03] spook: I started BJJ when I was 13 (now 51)... been dabbling in Judo for the last 10 years.... just stared Thai boxing last New Year's. [16:03] fire|bird: the stuff i learned in the army is a heck of a lot more effective than that sportsmanship crap you talk of :P [16:04] haha [16:04] macavity: I'm sure it is. :P [16:04] Action: spook kicks dirt in macavity's face [16:04] now we have a real mans fight going on [16:04] big talkers always land on the ground that much faster...macavity is talking big right now :) [16:04] Action: spook throws garbage at macavity [16:05] Action: macavity digs through it for tunarfish [16:05] YAY! [16:05] stop everyone [16:05] lunch break [16:05] I have a black belt... holster for my 9. Tha's right, dance beeyotchaz! [16:05] MrHales: can you shoot my can of tunar fish open? [16:05] spook: What have you studied? [16:05] i forgot my can opener.. and i am NOT going to try with my teeth again! [16:06] Yes, yes I can. [16:06] Action: MrHales perforates das tunaz. *pop*pop*pop* [16:06] mr_patterson: your mum [16:06] O_O [16:06] macavity: Don't you know a can opener is the first thing you should bring to a fight? you know, open a can of whoop @$$ :P [16:06] Hmm, brb, gotta fetch me spawn. [16:06] the thing you shouldnt bring to a fight is yourself. [16:07] spook++ [16:07] everything you do should be able escaping. [16:07] about [16:07] and if that is not an option: "never bring a knife to a fist fight if you happen to have an axe or a bat handy" [16:07] for those wondering, incognito is a light gentoo-based live cd that does all its intartubes through tor. it is the creation of someone in ireland and has 1.2 users in the entire world [16:08] any weapon, run. [16:09] best defense against a knife is a set of legs and a heart beat [16:10] fire|bird: lol [16:10] the only time you should even think about not running away from someone with a weapon, is if you've got someone with you that cant run fast enough [16:10] spook: Oh, you're a Sunday warrior. I've seen many in my day. :D [16:10] even then, i wouldnt risk it. [16:11] mr_patterson: actually, i studied tae kwon do for about 6 years and ninjitsu for 4 [16:11] ok.. later folks [16:12] later macavity [16:12] GF want my attention ^_^ [16:12] Action: macavity is a happy camper [16:12] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [16:12] spook: Do you have smoke bombs that you use at the grocery store? [16:12] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:12] mr_patterson: wtf? [16:12] "Excuse me, buddy, where's the celery?" *poof* [16:13] who the fuck eats celery [16:13] spook: mr_patterson [16:13] I do.... dipped in yolk. [16:13] slava_dp (n=family@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:13] mr_patterson: you are a sick person :P [16:14] deco: You must try it [16:14] i had celery with peanutbutter filled in the groove [16:15] mr_patterson: everything in the hands of a ninja, is a deadly weapon [16:15] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:15] even a stalk of celery is like a ninja sword in the hands of a ninja [16:15] lol [16:15] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:15] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-164-197.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:16] CmdLnKid_ (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Pig_Pen: no, you could poke someone in the eye with it [16:16] Pig_Pen: or make them eat it [16:16] then tell a funny joke and make them choke [16:16] spook: BJJ would be good for you. You are tall and need BJJ. [16:17] LawnJart616 (n=LawnJart@adsl-99-35-13-130.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] wtf is bjj [16:17] a blind enemy is a defeated enemy, never underestimate the effectiveness of an eyejab with a stalk of celery [16:18] Hey uh, what happened to BitchX? I use that! [16:18] We removed it from Slackware [16:18] fatalnix: its really old and unmaintained? [16:18] true but its a nice client [16:18] so is irssi [16:18] they made a replacement for it, called pork or something [16:19] There are other nice clients too [16:19] yes I'm using irssi but I use bitchsx too lol, was just curious [16:19] DrPepper (n=123@213.167.198.39) left irc: Client Quit [16:19] kshh [16:19] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [16:19] irssi will do everything you want [16:19] mr_patterson: looks like a load of shit to me [16:19] All the cool kids use erc in emacs. [16:19] lol [16:20] Action: winter 's watching underground by custurica [16:20] does slackware even come with ERC? [16:20] Probably not. [16:20] nvm, it comes with current emacs now [16:21] s/custurica/kusturica/ [16:21] Oh, I didn't realize that. Cool. [16:21] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [16:21] I'm not a big emacs person but its easier to use gpm with it than vim often [16:22] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: No route to host [16:22] mr_patterson: its just yet another flavour of jujitsu. awesome at grapling. competition/sparing however just trains you not to take every advantage. the art itself isnt a well rounded martial art education. [16:24] spook: It just seems to me that Tae Kwon Do and that ninja voodoo stuff doesn't prepare you for close up encounters. [16:24] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:24] mr_patterson: tae kwon do is a shitty martial art. [16:24] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [16:24] ninja teaches you everything, so you can use what you like and what works for you [16:25] spook: Not necessarily; it's a bone-breaking, face pounding art. BUT all at a distance. [16:25] now everything works fine ... why you didn;t told me that 'end current session' does NOT restarts the X server arghhh ·.......... [16:25] ninja is less about 1 on 1, and more about the fact that there is no such thing as a fair fight, and how to even the odds as quickly as possible [16:25] spook: I know very little about that art. [16:26] I know that I cannot fight what I cannot see or catch. [16:26] mr_patterson: ah, well then you will get hurt. [16:26] we used to do exercises blindfolded [16:26] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [16:27] kick spook [16:27] only some. [16:27] his threating people [16:27] winter: you're the troll, stfu. [16:27] :O [16:27] spook thats impressive but can you catch a fly by its nuts using chopsticks? [16:27] mancha: why would i want to? [16:27] trying to figure out how to get ERC started [16:28] spook: Trust me, son. Learn to fight close up, if you're gonna learn to fight at all. Real fights rarely happen at a distance. I speak with 40 years of experience. [16:29] spook: You've got the icing, it seems. Now you just need the cake. [16:29] mr_patterson: i know how to fight close up. [16:30] but if you have to fight close up, somethings very very wrong so i don't hesistate. just break as many bones and mash up all their faces as much as possible. [16:30] psychopate [16:32] spook: Sometimes you don't have a choice. I was cornered once in my life and jumped by two guys when I was in Europe. [16:32] LawnJart (n=LawnJart@99.19.41.238) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:32] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:32] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [16:32] mr_patterson: were you a tourist ? [16:33] spook: That's just the nature of the beast. [16:33] mr_patterson: lol, thats something i got taught, don't go into seedy places unless you want a fight. [16:33] ok i got it [16:33] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:33] deco: I was a visiting student in France. [16:33] uva (i=bno@118-160-173-80.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] University student. [16:33] mr_patterson: ah, why did they want to fight you ? [16:34] and why didn't you seize the flow of the fight and run before it started. [16:34] 4:35am [16:34] deco: Maybe they thought I looked at them wrong. [16:35] mr_patterson: oh :P thugs ? [16:35] lol, probably not [16:35] and the conversation is getting retarded [16:35] And we're back on the air! [16:35] winter: you are getting retarded [16:35] i cant [16:36] jekkt (n=jekkt@2001:6f8:1c4f:0:230:18ff:fea8:6c49) left irc: Client Quit [16:36] spook: It was an opportunity for me. I had never been in a situation quite like that one before. [16:36] deco: No idea what they were :D [16:36] mr_patterson: in a fight, there is almost always a moment where they will pause and wait for one of them to make the first move, if you sense the flow you can seize that moment to run. [16:36] done it so many times its not funny. [16:37] mr_patterson: so what happened ? they got their ass kicked ?? :P [16:37] Action: MrHales is a fscking psycho. Never been in a "real" fight but strangled three people. [16:37] Not to death, though. [16:37] deco: They grabbed me, but I talked my way out of a fight. For me, it was about controlling my reactions. :D [16:37] Not sure if that's a good or bad thing. [16:38] if you want proper psycho, i hospitalised 3 people who tried to mug me lol. [16:38] udevd (i=udevd@host-89-229-70-199.szczecin.mm.pl) left irc: "leaving" [16:38] spook: nice lol [16:38] Never been mugged. [16:38] mr_patterson: good :) [16:38] nice ... [16:38] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) left irc: "Leaving" [16:38] ......................................... [16:39] stop using linux and buy vista then [16:39] I think maybe I'm sad about that. It would be fun to experiment with the bounds of "justifiable homicide". [16:40] MrHales: the exact wording numerous martial arts instructors have said to use is "yes officer i feared for my life" [16:40] hehehe [16:40] deco: lol I asked them not to beat me up because I was on my way to my girlfriend's house, and that we were going to out to celebrate our 1year anniversary. [16:41] No, officer, I wasn't scared; I was "temporarily insane", right? *nudge* Right? *nudge*nudge* [16:41] mr_patterson: what lol [16:41] mr_patterson: you sound like a pansy, i'd definately have beaten you up [16:41] mr_patterson: you spoke french to them right ? [16:41] spook: I don't mean to sound Yodaish, but never judge by action alone. [16:42] deco: English. I don't speak French. :P [16:42] mr_patterson: ah no wonder they had pity for you :P [16:42] One year anniversary? Hell, I wouldn't have beaten you up, I'd have offered you a blindfold and a cigarette. [16:43] deco: Whatever the case, it worked and I was happy :) [16:43] mr_patterson: and france never welcomed you back again right? lol [16:43] deco: lol [16:44] we can dance, we can dance, everybody look at your PANTS [16:45] Action: MrHales does. "That's odd. I don't remember eating any sort of alfredo..." [16:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.23.139) joined ##slackware. [16:46] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: [16:48] Action: MrHales guts the conversation and stores the meat in his freezer. Where he comes from, you eat what you kill. [16:49] Zal (n=zal@unaffiliated/zalamander) joined ##slackware. [16:49] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/zalamander' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:49] Zal kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: at some time, everyone needs to learn when to go hands-off...see unixfool when you're less confrontational [16:49] nheco (n=nheco@200.203.105.183) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [16:49] autobahn [16:49] :p [16:49] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.230.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:52] EgoX (i=Old_Scho@78.59.112.79) joined ##slackware. [16:53] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:56] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:57] oh, we're talking about fights? [16:57] I once avoided getting my ass kicked by a guy who just got out of the marines and hated all long-haired men [16:57] Me too. I shot him. [16:57] ;-) [16:57] (that's a joke) :D [16:57] did you shoot the deputy? [16:58] :) [16:58] no he shot the sherif :D [16:58] by telling him "it turns me on to get beaten up by big strong men" [16:58] EgoX (i=Old_Scho@78.59.112.79) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] he was at a complete loss for how to react to that, so he just went away [16:58] and i shot the deputy :P [16:59] only fight I've ever been in was when a kid turned off my comuter while I was formatting a floppy disc in computer class.. was like 7th grade.. he pissed me off :( [16:59] Urchlay... wow... [16:59] computer* [17:00] Urchlay: That's my style. hahahah [17:00] Action: MrHales reacts in obligatory horror as the conversation rises from the dead, escapes from his freezer and proceeds to terrorize the countryside. [17:00] braaaaiinnnzzz [17:00] Urchlay: Indeed. [17:00] oh waaait, wrong chaaaannelll [17:01] (brain-eaters would starve to death in here, most days) [17:01] heh, why use brains when brute force is so much fun? [17:01] x1user (i=1000@212.75.8.69) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [17:01] why i can't hear my midi files? [17:01] aldcor: turn on your speakers ? [17:01] wash your ears [17:02] good idea [17:02] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-14.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] that only works if he has ears >.> [17:03] some media could not be played - amarok says [17:03] why that? [17:03] does it say why? [17:03] Get better music. If even amarok is refusing to play it, it must be rap or something. [17:03] haha [17:03] LoL [17:04] I know amarok plays rock very well. :D [17:04] play some sonata arctica! :D [17:04] EgoX (i=Old_Scho@78-59-112-79.static.zebra.lt) joined ##slackware. [17:04] you probly need to install timidity (or at least some patches in /etc/timidity) to get midi to play [17:04] some media could not be loaded (not playable) [17:04] eh, for that matter. Does amarok even support playing midi? [17:04] fire|bird: im thinking of upgrading to kde 4.3.1 :P [17:05] i can't open midi with Kmidi and Audacious too [17:05] deco: \o/ WOOOOOOT!!!!! :) [17:05] fire|bird: any advice before i start ? [17:05] Urchlay: Is that a true story? I seek out opportunities to talk myself out of fights, so I'll probably use it in the future. [17:05] aldcor: Well, either it's timidity or your midi's are just, well, crap. :P [17:05] timidity... ok... i'll try [17:06] deco: Well, if you have a slow machine, be prepared to go have some coffee and a meal, and even then, don't expect it to be done when you get back. :P Also, upgrade strigi, akonadi, and soprano (I don't believe there are any more than that for 4.3.1 from 4.3.0) [17:06] Action: Necos prods rworkman "old rap was actually cool" [17:06] deco: 32bit I'm guessing? [17:06] heya Necos [17:07] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-113-118.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:07] fire|bird: yes oh....... having second thoughts now lol [17:07] haha [17:07] deco: Don't have second thoughts, it's not THAT bad. [17:07] fire|bird: 1.6 single core cpu :P [17:07] ghz [17:07] User337 (n=User@ool-4355ebb6.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] Oh really? Not 1.6 Mhz? [17:08] mr_patterson: shut up or ill bring some frenchies to beat you up [17:08] deco: just ask Necos if you want a story about it, it took him a friggen week. :P [17:08] Can I have a Photoshop CS4 Key [17:08] Action: MrHales does the Happy Dance of Not Having the Slowest CPU in the channel. [17:08] not because of slow machine though. :P [17:08] fire|bird: oh lol [17:08] deco: hehe [17:08] User337: Yes. [17:08] User337: forget photoshop, learn the ways of the GIMP :) [17:08] hey guys, how much time do you spend with PC? [17:08] I don't have one to give. [17:09] aldcor: too much? :) [17:09] mr_patterson: :P [17:09] But you can have one. [17:09] I want Photoshop [17:09] User337 (n=User@ool-4355ebb6.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] haha [17:09] and there he goes [17:09] I want a million dollars. [17:09] i want a cat [17:09] Cody901 (n=Cody@ool-4355ebb6.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] I need a photoshop CS4 Key pls [17:09] fire|bird shaddap :P [17:09] Cody901: You're not fooling anybody User337 :) [17:09] it took me a week because i was being anal about how much of kde4 i had to compile [17:09] Necos: haha, no way. [17:09] i know [17:09] Need? Need it like others might need air or food or water? [17:10] here foudn it Cody901: 45664shut544the444fuck45544up33 [17:10] What strange breed of creature are you?! [17:10] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@ool-4355ebb6.dyn.optonline.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:10] Cody901 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: -ENOWAREZ here - go away. [17:10] Necos: I even published that story in the local newspaper. :) [17:10] deco: lmao [17:10] \o/ [17:10] mr_patterson: that is a true story. The really funny thing about it is that I'm a big hairy straight guy [17:10] slackboy ftw!!! [17:10] fire|bird. i'm actually gonna try a micro-compile of KDE4 just to install kontact ^.^ [17:10] fire|bird: :P [17:10] Necos: good luck :) [17:11] Action: mr_patterson bows to Urchlay. You are a master strategist. [17:12] "You don't know where I've been, Lou! You don't know where I've been!" [17:12] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird as part of his daily quota [17:12] Necos: Your unchecked agression will not stand, man. [17:12] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-163-158.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] unchecked? i checked my agression meter when i woke up this morning [17:13] :D [17:13] fire|bird: looking at the size of the source packagse.. i think ill pass:P ill just waite for pat or arch linux:P [17:13] it was pretty damn high... so lots of random stabbings will take place [17:14] what's that deco? [17:14] Necos: talking about building kde 4.3.1 [17:14] it's easy actually [17:14] i installed timidity... where is he ? :D [17:14] just for me, it was hard because i went with a minimal set of compiling [17:15] Necos: hmmmm but how long do you think it will take for a 1.6 ghz single core cpu ? [17:15] hm. That's interesting: ftp://download.tuxfamily.org/irssiotr/irc-otr-0.3.tar.gz [17:15] a while, probably (it's a lot of compiling) [17:15] Necos: hmmm maybe ill let the big packages compiling at night [17:15] but all you really have to do is edit the slackbuild that goes with 4.2.4 [17:16] This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, [17:16] but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of [17:16] MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the [17:16] Channel flood from aldcor -- kicking [17:16] GNU General Public License for more details. [17:16] aldcor kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:16] aldcor (i=500@ip-127-221.zb.lv) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Action: Necos chuckles [17:16] Necos: ok than ill give it a shot :P [17:16] where is my dimidity? [17:16] timidity& [17:16] god damn bear makes it worse [17:16] >.> [17:16] aldcor: try slackbuilds.org [17:17] i downloaded it [17:17] and installed [17:17] and i got it [17:17] but it just is somewhere i can't see [17:17] ya know, crystal method is a pretty badassed group [17:17] fire|bird: i decided im going to do it ! :D [17:17] timidity doesn't come with any MIDI patches (the actual sound samples), try installing freepats or eawpats [17:17] EgoX (i=Old_Scho@78-59-112-79.static.zebra.lt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:20] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [17:20] freepats is installed [17:20] what now, Urchlay [17:20] deco: good :) [17:21] try playing a midi file from the console. I can't remember whether the timidity command is TiMidity or TiMiDity or what, look at the timidity package you installed to find out [17:21] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:22] I seriously hate when binaries have StUpidMiXedCaSe like that [17:22] Urchlay: just timidity [17:22] fire|bird: how do i upgrade soprano etc... i don't see any scripts in the repository ? [17:22] Atrickit (n=Atrickit@200-158-179-248.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:22] fire|bird: OK, in the past it's been partly uppercase too, I guess they finally got tired of typing it [17:22] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [17:23] deco, ah, about that :) [17:23] deco: look in l/ [17:23] soprano, akonadi, and there's one more package that needs to be upgraded [17:23] Urchlay: yeah, evidently. :P [17:23] Necos: yeah, strigi :) [17:23] there you go :) [17:23] i found out all that the hard way lol [17:23] strigi ftl. [17:24] Action: fire|bird stabs quasar with Necos' knife [17:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Action: Necos chuckles [17:24] you can't stab me... knives don't work :) [17:24] fire|bird: thanks :D [17:24] Necos: There's two stabs now, what's your quota these days? :P [17:25] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird again [17:25] that's 2! [17:25] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Action: Necos stabs deco for good measure [17:25] :) [17:25] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@220-136-226-101.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:25] It was 2 when I stabbed quasar because it was your knife. :P [17:25] anyone can to use flash player (youtube fullscreen) with graphic card????? my fullscreen is very slow.... [17:25] holy crap he's on a rampage now. :P [17:25] ^.~ [17:26] fire|bird: Well you started it, you poo head. [17:26] Necos: one eye shut? :P [17:26] winking lol [17:26] mr_patterson: hey now, no need for name calling. :P [17:26] ;) [17:26] Atrickit: Browser? [17:26] ;) [17:26] argh. Does someone remember how to make cmake actually display the $^%@$%& compile commands when you're building? [17:26] Action: deco starts his journey [17:26] use ccmake (interactive mode) [17:27] and you can turn on the verbosity [17:27] eh, this is for a .SlackBuild script, it needs to be non-interactive [17:27] deco: good luck, may the source be with you. :) [17:27] well, at least look at ccmake to find the option [17:27] :P [17:27] Firefox has issues with flash, in my experience. [17:27] caio (n=caio@200.2.124.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] deco: if the source should fail you, may your googles be prosperous. [17:28] MrHales: flash has issues with flash. :P [17:28] fire|bird: quasar thank you masters [17:28] damn [17:28] Konqueror, though, has not had the same problems.... in other words: I fullscreen a youtube vid in firefox, ff dies hard. I fullscreen same vid konqueror = no problemns [17:28] timidity is still without any visible interface [17:28] MrHales: I've experienced the same, konqueror + flash works a lot smoother. [17:29] You can turn off the hardware acceleration to avoid ff dying spasmodically, but the vid plays terribly [17:29] Necos: OK, so I'm sitting in ccmake, pressed "c" for configure, I don't see a verbosity option. Does that mean the author was supposed to include it in CMakeLists.txt and failed to do so? [17:29] my browse is firefox 3.0.11 but i dont get accelered graphics in full scren flash.... [17:30] I have ati 9550 card... and the proprietary software [17:30] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Urchlay. probably [17:30] it really seems like verbose mode ought to be a global thing, not dependent on the CMakeLists.txt at all [17:30] I just heard some actor talking about his first son being born.. he said "Michael (his son) was on the set a lot.. he was probably on the set more than most kids were." ... [17:30] so.. how many of you got to be on a set when you were a child? [17:31] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] cmake -D CMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE:BOOLEAN=on <--- that's it [17:31] Right click the video, Atrickit. [17:31] ah! [17:32] and yes, as I suspected, it's not using my CFLAGS [17:32] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.99.194.198) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Select "Settings..." from the lil menu that pops up. [17:32] PVFarm (n=pineview@c-69-248-163-86.hsd1.de.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] There's a checkbox for enabling hw acceleration [17:33] PVFarm (n=pineview@c-69-248-163-86.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [17:33] it doesn't honor them, it seems Urchlay [17:33] well, there's supposed to be a -D option to set them [17:33] MrHales, its ok...my flash player work nice.....but for HD videos.... is better in windows....because flash play work better in there... [17:33] Though, again, your mileage may vary. My experience with accelerated flash vids in firefox = browser death. To the point I have to xkill the window and then kill -9 the related processes before I can open a new one [17:33] I gods damned hate cmake [17:34] He said the "W-word!" [17:34] Action: MrHales releases the Hounds (of Tindalos). [17:34] I mean, it was invented because autoconf/automake is such a pain... yet cmake itself is also a pain [17:34] Action: deco started his journey by building akonadi [17:34] MrHales: oh noes, not, not, the W word. [17:34] alvarogmj (n=amartine@200.124.194.190) joined ##slackware. [17:34] deco: \o/ [17:34] autoconf is actually better it seems :P [17:34] fire|bird: this is looking good and fun :D [17:35] yeah, autoconf at least doesn't prefix every damn variable with CMAKE_ [17:35] lol [17:35] deco: haha, don't tell Necos that. :P [17:35] fire|bird: poor guy : [17:35] :P* [17:35] indeed [17:35] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:36] deco: He'd be better with like fluxbox, one package to build and install. :P [17:36] artv61eee (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 105 (No buffer space available) [17:36] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:36] LawnJart616 (n=LawnJart@adsl-99-35-13-130.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:36] CmdLnKid_ (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [17:36] hot the hell Linus Torvalds made this kernel in 19 ??? [17:36] fire|bird: i have never seen percentages when building O_O [17:36] wtf? [17:36] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [17:36] how* [17:36] deco: that's Cmake for ya. :) [17:36] no bother about that...... I hate adobe because that... adobe is aways trying to make better windows software and poor linux software.....this is the true [17:36] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:37] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) joined ##slackware. [17:37] fire|bird: yes it's super nice :P [17:37] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:38] Action: Necos <3 openbox [17:38] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:38] Necos: step inside the openbox, then watch me close the lid. :P [17:38] hahaha [17:38] Necos: Hey, do you have a good config? [17:38] wamty (n=tomoty@94.187.123.8) joined ##slackware. [17:38] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-113-118.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:38] why archlinux is better of slackware??? [17:39] it isn't [17:39] is their snmp built with support for lmsensors3? [17:39] hey thrice`, how's it going? [17:39] good, you ? [17:39] excellent, thanks. [17:39] debian has it [17:39] Atrickit: ask that in #archlinux [17:39] waiting for deco to get kde 4.3.1 build underway. :) [17:40] libsnmp15 -- Depends: libsnmp-base (>= 5.4.1~dfsg-12), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.0), libsensors3 (>= 1:2.10.3-1), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~) [17:40] is it in slackware? [17:40] wow, that's retarded ^.^ [17:40] nb` (n=user@75-163-200-112.clsp.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] wamty, most of those are in slack already [17:40] LawnJart (n=LawnJart@adsl-99-19-40-28.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] fire|bird: akonadi is done :D [17:40] \o/ [17:40] Necos: is their snmp built with support for lmsensors3? [17:40] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:40] how can I check? [17:40] it's done on my slack box [17:41] I tossed it [17:41] fire|bird: did you leave all the packages in /tmp or did you move them to a special folder for safe keeping ? [17:41] alvarogmj (n=amartine@200.124.194.190) left ##slackware. [17:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:41] deco: I moved them for safe keeping. Also note that when you build it, it automatically installs them, so it may be best not to be in kde while you build it. :P [17:41] anyone??? [17:42] fire|bird: oh now you tell me lol [17:42] Hey, does anyone know where the "file type" information is stored? Under KDE and xfce you can right click a file and choose properties and it will show the file type. Where does it get that information? [17:42] deco: haha, if you looked at the scripts, etc. you'd know this. :P [17:42] I dont want to take that from debian website [17:42] wamty, you can look at the slackbuild script [17:42] is it in slackre? [17:42] fire|bird: i just looked at the version :P [17:42] lol [17:42] I couldnt find a way to know it, is their snmp built with support for lmsensors3? [17:43] wamty: you don't need to keep repeating your question, we know what it is, if nobody knows the answer, then nobody knows the answer. :) [17:43] wamty, you need to look at the slackbuild script for snmp [17:43] Necos: ugh. cmake -D CMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE:BOOLEAN=on -D CMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE:STRING="-O2 -fPIC" -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:STRING="release" .. [17:43] i f you guys dont know.. noone knows [17:44] that appears to work, at least for this bit of source [17:44] Necos: i tried.. didnt have the chance [17:44] or im too retarded [17:44] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [17:44] Urchlay god that's ugly [17:44] yes [17:45] wamty, is this what you're talking about? http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/n/net-snmp/slack-desc [17:45] root@nets:~# kedit /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg [17:45] kedit: cannot connect to X server [17:45] hahaha [17:46] I want to install lmsensors3 [17:46] lol [17:46] Action: deco reads the scripts carefully and belives fire|bird [17:46] :P [17:46] \o/ [17:47] Necos: my goal is to have lmsensors3.. [17:47] it's already part of the slackware package tree [17:47] http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=13.0&t=1&q=sensors [17:48] how to open this cfg file ? [17:48] vim? [17:49] hey fire|bird my next project is to rebuild kde3.5 LOL [17:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-113-118.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Necos: hahahahahahahaha [17:49] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] WHY? WHY? WHY? [17:49] y0 MLanden_lap, how's it going? [17:49] so i can sync my damn blackberry :P [17:50] Necos: sad, sad, sad. :P [17:50] Goin' good fire|bird and yourself? [17:50] sad? it's kde's fault ^.^ [17:50] MLanden_lap: excellent, thanks. [17:50] y0 slackers...how's everyone? [17:50] heya mlanden [17:50] Necos: so you CAN sync it in 3.5 but can't in 4.2.x or 4.3.x? [17:50] MLanden_lap: fine , building kde 4.3.1 :D [17:50] it's because opensync doesn't work with akonadi [17:51] Necos: disable akonadi. :O [17:51] well, maybe you can't [17:51] you can't ya dip :) [17:51] Necos: yes BUT slackware doesnt build snmpd with lmsensors3 [17:51] wow, let me explain this to you wamty... [17:51] 'bout to rebuild lxde and see how it works with Slackware 13..:D [17:51] install lm_sensors [17:52] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [17:52] download the net-snmp source tree from a slackware mirror [17:52] and then modify it to add lmsensor support [17:52] run slackbuild, drink a few beers, isntall and be happy [17:52] and then modify it to add lmsensor support [17:52] in that order [17:52] Necos: I just mentioned that and then thought about it. :P I know in System Settings there's akonadi configuration :) [17:53] Necos: thats the first thing I tried [17:53] MLanden_lap: Don't opt for their red wallpaper, it's actually pink. :/ [17:53] I've spent 2-3 days on this :) [17:53] yeah,I know...X_(@) [17:53] did you already install lmsensors? [17:53] I also tried fedoras patch against the src tree too [17:54] MLanden_lap: apparently the devs are color blind. :P [17:54] been all over snmp ml [17:54] Necos: yes [17:54] :( [17:55] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] ive been on this for 2 days [17:55] really pleased with the upgrade [17:56] What do you advise I do please? [17:57] hmmm net-snmp doesn't have a lm_sensors configure option [17:57] the KDE 4.2's nice package..but for this lappie's just too much [17:58] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:58] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] fire|bird: Have you gotten 'round to messin' with the XMPP in Pidgin yet? [17:58] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [17:58] yeah, it's not in there [17:59] oh, it has to do with ucd [17:59] camden (n=camden@ancnat2.apto.aptalaska.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] What do you suggest I do? [17:59] MLanden_lap: No, I haven't done anything with it, but some others here (antiwire, dive, hiptobecubic, and agentc0re) have messed with it. [17:59] hi folks [17:59] crazymentos (n=niet@host-70-45-90-69.onelinkpr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] what have i done? [17:59] oh [17:59] lol [17:59] Necos: http://marc.info/?l=net-snmp-users&m=124858869028010&w=2 [17:59] I just installed slackware13, and I have a wierd little problem: I can't change icons for programs [17:59] MLanden_lap, it 'works' [18:00] Necos: thats the error I get trying to build [18:00] camden, that's a Desktop issue. Which are you using? [18:00] after making a change in the gui, the dialog tells me it's changing setting, but the icon never gets changes [18:00] kde4 [18:00] hiptobecubic: shoulda mentioned that in the first place << [18:00] Action: deco finished building soprano [18:00] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:00] Necos: --with-modules="ucd/lmSensors" or "ucd/lmsensorsMib" [18:00] camden, yeah, that's something #kde would know more about. People in here use all kinds of different WM/DE setups [18:00] Nick change: crazymentos -> mentr [18:01] hiptobecubic: aye, I was hoping someone here had seen anything similar. [18:01] ebw (n=user@dslb-084-056-199-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Can someone explain to me, why my calls to xmodmap in .xinitrc are effectless in slackware 13 ? [18:02] wamty, you know something? [18:02] going to fluxbox before kde locks me out [18:02] yes sir? [18:02] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:02] cool to hear,hiptobecubic [18:02] i'm trying a little experiment... [18:02] because i believe that you have it enabled [18:03] ebw: what are you using for a desktop environment? [18:03] Necos: the slackware build script does not enable it.... correct me if im wrong [18:04] the slackbuild doesn't have to [18:04] it's already enabled [18:04] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] MLanden_lap: I use ion. I have a plain .xinitrc with a few calls to xrdb and xmodmap, nothing complicated, only my xmodmap calls in .xinitrc are ignored ... [18:04] Necos: can you show me please? [18:04] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] in other words wamty, you don't have to rebuild it [18:05] MLanden_lap: I checked that they take place, but X overrides them afterwards somehow ... [18:05] Nick change: wamty -> elops [18:05] are you on slack13? [18:05] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:05] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-xejjeonklsydmaoi) left irc: "Page closed" [18:05] Yes [18:06] then your net-snmp should already be built with lmsensor support [18:06] hm. Anyone want to help me mess with irssi-otr? [18:07] Necos: how can I check? [18:07] Urchlay: can I help you mess everything up? :) [18:07] I figured out that I have to do the AllowEmptyInput off thingies in the xorg.conf to get the configuration file working, but now this! These guys at xorg are really funny .... [18:08] Why have a configuration file if the important parts of it are ignored by default? [18:08] 1 sec [18:08] ok [18:09] 'cause some of the other DE's use it..while others don't....you're right,ebw..xorg can be funny [18:09] Necos: not according to snpd, its not in the configure args as reported by snmpd [18:09] What are DE's ? [18:09] http://pastebin.com/d4248678d ebw in the ServerLayout section [18:10] desktop environments ( i.e fluxbox,xfce,kde etc. etc.) [18:11] thoerically, fluxbox is a window manager. [18:11] howto open /etc/rc.d/rc.local ?[ [18:11] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-113-118.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:11] fire|bird i belive stringi is the latest version already o_O [18:11] these are my build args: http://www.pastebin.ca/1562585 [18:11] camden (n=camden@ancnat2.apto.aptalaska.net) left irc: "later" [18:11] deco: What version do you have? [18:11] you'll see lmsensors is not there, it has to be explicitly enabled at build time. slackware has never built lmsensors into snmpd [18:12] fire|bird: 0.6.4 [18:12] aldcor, emacs /etc/rc.d/rc.local [18:12] you need 0.7.0 [18:12] Necos: http://www.pastebin.ca/1562585 -- you'll see lmsensors is not there, it has to be explicitly enabled at build time. slackware has never built lmsensors into snmpd [18:12] deco: http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/strigi-0.7.0.tar.bz2 [18:12] at the last! dive BIG THANKS!!! [18:12] Necos: I've always had to rebuild snmpd on slackware to enable lmsensors, but the latest slackware now uses sensors3 [18:12] Pig_Pen: My manpages told me to place this under ServerFlags ... and it worked (After AllowEmptyInput off, AutoAddDevices off and AutoEnabledDevices off my keyboard is working next to normal ...) [18:12] where did you get those options from? [18:12] fire|bird: ah ok thanks! it wasn't in the sourceforge site [18:12] at the last! divenBIG THANKS!!! [18:12] aldcor, anytime man, anytime [18:13] still my .Xmodmap isn't loaded ... [18:13] ctl+x+c to save and close [18:13] Necos: snmp query [18:13] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) left irc: "<3" [18:14] OID .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.100.6.0 [18:15] Camarade_Tux: heh [18:15] i'm going to look in to this a little closer, brb [18:15] dammit, there needs to be a tarballbin site [18:15] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-113-118.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Necos: thank you so much Necos [18:16] Urchlay: :) [18:16] I'll be waiting sir [18:16] Urchlay: rapidshare-like, [18:16] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] Camarade_Tux: slackbuild: http://dpaste.com/92489/ and slack-desc: http://dpaste.com/92490/ and source ftp://download.tuxfamily.org/irssiotr/irssi-otr-0.3.tar.gz [18:17] what does otr stand for already? [18:18] "off the record" [18:18] Over the road [18:18] rather, what does "off the record" mean? ;p [18:18] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [18:18] Only the ronery? [18:18] it's supposed to encrypt our private messages, so anyone who snoops the traffic isn't supposed to be able to read it [18:18] I dunno how secure it really is though [18:19] Necos: I enable the .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.100.6.0 oid with --with-modules="ucd/lmSensors" for sensors2, ucd/lmsensorsMib for sensors3 (allegedy) [18:19] oh [18:19] ucd itself is default [18:19] Camarade_Tux: off the record means no one can log it :P [18:19] and SOMEW parts of ucd-experimental are default [18:19] funny slackpkg was pointing to a x86-64 mirror on a 32bit machine, that can screw things up a bit [18:19] (for one thing, I think it has to exchange keys over the regular IRC network, so anyone who captures the key exchange should be able to decrypt the conversation) [18:19] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] hmmmm, I see [18:20] rachael: we just had a guy in here yesterday who did the opposite (running slackware64, slackpkg was pointing at 32-bit) [18:20] ssh basically [18:20] snmpget -c public -v1 devlan .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.16.2.1.3.1 [18:20] UCD-SNMP-MIB::ucdExperimental.16.2.1.3.1 = Gauge32: 49000 [18:20] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-20-222.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:20] Camarade_Tux: eh, not really. I think the messages still get passed over the public IRC network (but they're encrypted) [18:21] Necos: i had to add view system included .iso to my snmpd.conf file. by default, it was limiting to mib-2.system [18:21] Urchlay, was only the seamonkey that had change, but that broke the pidgin package there, as the encryption needs nss3 from that package [18:21] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-33-48.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:22] rachael: you got off easy. The other way around, it installed a 32-bit /bin/bash on that guy's system, broke everything [18:22] Necos:: --with-mib-modules=host smux ucd-snmp/dlmod ucd-snmp/diskio ucd-snmp/lmSensors [18:22] elops: quotes [18:22] that's Debian's (so ignor that last command) [18:22] surely that should be --with-mib-modules="host smux ucd-snmp/dlmod ucd-snmp/diskio ucd-snmp/lmSensors" [18:23] Urchlay: I meant: same weaknesses as ssh [18:23] Urchlay, hehe someone did that to one of the nfs root here, nuked /bin on it what was interessting also [18:23] Necos: no doubt debian has a sensors3 patch as fedora does [18:24] Necos: mind you, fedora calls the module ucd-snmp/lmsensorsMib [18:24] Camarade_Tux: eh, ssh doesn't have that as a weakness [18:24] necos: I query the sensors by doing snmpget -c public -v1 devlan .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.13.16.2.1.3.1 [18:24] you need to ucd-snmp/lmSensors [18:24] I know that [18:25] I've built this a few times, enabling sesnors [18:25] but, i believe there's an "all" option somewhere in these docs [18:25] the problem is sensors3 [18:25] Urchlay: I haven't looked at otr thoroughly, I imagined it used asymetric cryptography [18:26] and looks like net-snmp hasn't yet integrated it [18:26] s/imageined/assumed/ [18:26] bbiab [18:26] fire|bird: akonadi soprano stringi are done! on to the real packages \o/ [18:26] Necos: so fedora/debian/etc hack it to make it work [18:26] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:26] except for Diffie-Ican'trememberwho [18:26] fire|bird: \o/ [18:26] deco: \o/ [18:26] y0 Camarade_Tux [18:26] slackware has never had sensors support in snmpd, so its a nomn issue for slackware [18:26] faaaaaaaaak [18:27] going to bed, good night :) [18:27] night Camarade_Tux :P [18:27] night Camarade_Tux [18:27] timidity doesn't work!] [18:27] i see that now... [18:27] fire|bird: so now i should just go down the list right ?:P [18:28] night Necos, night fire|bird :) [18:28] deco: Well, I ran KDE.SlackBuild, which builds everything in the proper order [18:28] deco: "akonadi soprano stringi are done! on to the real packages [18:28] Necos: wierd right? [18:29] deco: so what does that get you ? [18:29] deco: be sure to change the *.options files to reflect the proper versions of things. [18:29] nb`: He's building KDE 4.3.1 and those are deps of that that needed to be upgraded first. [18:29] and the patch is huge [18:30] how to ceate a rc.local file in /etc/rc.d and set it as executable [18:30] ? [18:30] I guess my question is, what does akonadi and strigi get you? [18:30] fire|bird the nice thing about having done 4.3.0, is 4.3.1 is gonna be a cakewalk [18:30] what do you use them for? [18:30] Necos: yea [18:30] Necos: yeah, for sure. :) [18:30] fire|bird: will do :) [18:30] akonadi has something to do with passing data around, and stringi has something to do with indexing files [18:30] Necos: what do you advise me to do? [18:31] heh heh... that clears it right up [18:31] strigi indexes files and nepomuk is desktop search [18:31] ? [18:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:31] how to ceate a rc.local file in /etc/rc.d and set it as executable [18:31] fire|bird: did you actually build the oxygen icons packages? it's a huge one :P [18:31] no, I know what supposedly do...... [18:31] akonadi manages pim stuff, therefore including kontact, etc. [18:31] what would you do? [18:31] basically, i'd try getting it off cvs/svn/git [18:31] maybe use debian's patch [18:31] what would you use it for?? [18:31] how to ceate a rc.local file in /etc/rc.d and set it as executable? [18:31] deco, oyu have to :) [18:31] or you'll have no icons lol [18:31] Necos: damn :P [18:32] I tossed akonadi [18:32] deco: It's ALL the icons in kde. You want icons right? [18:32] fire|bird: ok ok ok [18:32] :P [18:32] Necos: hahaha [18:32] looked like a 3rd party data harvesting engine, to me [18:32] screw that [18:32] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [18:32] necos: how come slack didnt have a patch? [18:32] there's also another runtime package that has to be built [18:33] I'm still researching the menudo strigi thingie [18:33] i'm not pat, so i have no idea [18:33] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-245-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] but i'll guess that pat didn't want to apply a patch unless it was security related [18:33] diven [18:33] damn [18:34] pats never had sensors support [18:34] ummm, that's not pat's decision really [18:34] it's net-snmp that doesn't have sensor support [18:34] who's then? [18:35] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: [18:35] pat's not going to compromise a package to add support for something not put in by the development team [18:35] in other words, if the net-snmp team didn't add it, it was for a reason, and pat usually doesn't stomp on toes unless he has to [18:36] ok, debian patch applied [18:36] hey, the fedora patch applied too, and still failed to build [18:36] nb` (n=user@75-163-200-112.clsp.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [18:36] aldcor (i=500@ip-127-221.zb.lv) left irc: "Pat divkosiigaakaas divdomiibas briizhos mana seerskaabaa vakuola pienjem simbiotisku varbuutiibu" [18:36] I used: near the bottom of http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/i386/net-snmp is the original source that Debian uses, and the patch they apply (80kb gzipped patch) [18:36] look at this for reference: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1533212 [18:37] this was caused by debian patching ssl (old, but still relevant) [18:37] I applied the patch [18:37] still its not working! [18:38] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [18:38] if you're going to apply a patch to source, make sure you get the source from the same location [18:39] I did [18:39] I'm using debians src and patch [18:39] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-29-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [18:40] hmmmm [18:40] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] ? [18:42] going to try a test here [18:42] PVFarm (n=pineview@c-69-248-163-86.hsd1.de.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] does this command work: cat /dev/slackbook >> /dev/brain ? [18:43] fire|bird: a very kde noob question lol where are the .option files i can't seem to find them ? [18:43] Necos: to do what? [18:43] there's only one KDE.options file [18:43] Necos: home directory right ? [18:43] it's in the main build dir of KDE4 [18:43] deco: lol, KDE.options is in the kde directory. [18:43] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Necos: what test? [18:44] fire|bird: Necos ok lol i was looking for it in my /home/deco [18:44] Necos: There's also a few local.options files, amarok for one. [18:44] Action: fire|bird hits deco with a clue bat. :P [18:44] Action: deco crys [18:44] i'm building it without the patch, using the slackbuild (everything up to make install) [18:44] lol [18:44] fire|bird but those are optional, so to speak :P [18:45] necos: why do you think it'll work? [18:45] it wont :( [18:45] i'm looking for warnings, etc... [18:45] Necos: yeah, but just mentioning it in case. :P [18:46] ok, it compiled fine... which means that we're missing something :) [18:46] and i think i know what it is [18:47] can you pastebin your configure and make commands? [18:47] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:47] PVFarm (n=pineview@c-69-248-163-86.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left irc: [18:49] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:50] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/zalamander expired. [18:50] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/zalamander' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:50] Necos: http://www.pastebin.ca/1562616 [18:50] now for the make [18:51] because they both run many more processes than slackware does [18:52] and given I'm not as familiar with those two, I stick with slackware for servers because I know what unnecessary processes I can disable [18:52] Necos: was it what you thought it was? =) [18:54] where's the make stuff? :P [18:55] still building [18:55] ? [18:55] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [18:55] what did you type after make? [18:55] I get same error [18:55] pastebin :P [18:56] nothing [18:56] I didnt type nothing after make [18:56] ah [18:56] the build fails [18:56] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "make quit" [18:57] make INSTALLDIRS=vendor [18:57] http://www.pastebin.ca/1562622 [18:58] fail [18:58] that's exactly the same error i got [18:58] :/ [18:58] before i tried the slackbuild [18:59] leh-nerd skin-nerd [18:59] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:00] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] lmao [19:00] too many american shitheads here [19:00] winter (i=q3@game.satkol.pl) left ##slackware. [19:01] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:01] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [19:01] briareus2 (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [19:01] elops... [19:02] yes? [19:02] fire|bird: Necos i can't find the file T_T [19:02] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.135.207) left irc: "Leaving" [19:02] were there any errors in the patching? [19:02] Atrickit (n=Atrickit@200-158-179-248.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [19:02] no [19:02] Nick change: briareus2 -> briareus [19:02] linky to patch? [19:03] but I can try again if you'd like [19:04] ok, I didnt pay attn first time patching [19:04] every patched file is in debian/ [19:05] ebw (n=user@dslb-084-056-199-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] Action: deco swears he can't find the KDE.options file [19:06] in the KDE folder [19:06] look in source/kde/ [19:06] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:07] ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/kde/KDE.options [19:07] Necos: you ment all along the ftp site ? [19:08] quasar: thanks [19:08] Necos: Sir? [19:08] np [19:08] elops can you link me to the patch you used? [19:09] yes deco LOL [19:09] Necos: OMFG [19:10] Necos: im here like an idiot trying to find the file on my pc LOL [19:10] what part of "you just modify the build of 4.2.4" didn't make sense? [19:10] :P [19:10] Necos: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/net-snmp/net-snmp_5.4.1~dfsg-12.diff.gz [19:10] deco: Welcome to the Fail train, en route to Failsville, NC. Enjoy the ride. :) [19:10] Necos: no fire|bird kinda confused made me think i had to change version numbers on my pc :P [19:11] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@ool-4355ebb6.dyn.optonline.net expired. [19:11] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@ool-4355ebb6.dyn.optonline.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:11] thinking* [19:11] sure, blame the bird. :/ [19:11] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [19:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:11] fire|bird: of course that's what birds are for :P [19:11] lol [19:12] wow, hey elops :) [19:12] you do realize that this is for 5.4.1? [19:12] yes [19:13] there's no garauntee that 5.4.1 patches will work with 5.4.2.x [19:13] thats what debian ships [19:13] http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/net-snmp/net-snmp_5.4.1~dfsg.orig.tar.gz [19:13] Necos: where do i place the kde options file in my pc ? [19:14] ... [19:14] LawnJart (n=LawnJart@adsl-99-19-40-28.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:14] deco: Alright, you're heading down the tracks the wrong way. Download the kde source directory from a slack mirror first. :) [19:14] wherever you have your KDE source files and KDE.SlackBuild [19:14] deco: you mimic the structure of the source/kde/ directory [19:14] thats the corresponding src I'm trying to patch/build [19:14] greetings, again, macavity [19:14] Necos: I'm thinking he doesn't have any, yet. :) [19:15] deco: but you replace the source files with the new versions, and edit the .SlackBuild and/or the .options file accordingly..... [19:15] lol [19:15] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] greetings andarius, how are you? [19:15] greetings and salutations [19:15] hello fire|bird [19:15] salutations fire|bird, i am well. you ? [19:15] macavity: fire|bird Necos i was just download one directory at a time -_- [19:15] andarius: excellent, thank you. :) [19:15] downloading* [19:16] deco: I reiterate my fail train statement from above. :) [19:16] Necos: tried it? [19:16] fire|bird: yep -_- [19:16] you're using 5.4.1? [19:16] Apple Claims New iPhone Only Visible To Most Loyal Of Customers http://www.theonion.com/content/news/apple_claims_new_iphone_only [19:17] Necos: yes [19:17] fire|bird: grrrrr gotta learn from the masters :P [19:17] Necos: thats what debian ships [19:17] lol [19:17] i've been using the 5.4.2.1 from slack :) [19:18] Necos: I dont even see a sensors pacth [19:18] what do you think the problem is? [19:18] Action: deco is on the right tracks now [19:19] the problem seems to be that the patch is borked :P [19:19] I just got one of these for my laptop http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=482 [19:19] but i'm going to try something, yet again [19:20] ok :( [19:21] anyone have an idea how to troubleshoot a slackware 13 video issue? Ever since this install, my laptops intel gma3100 video has been really dodgy, like when I mouse or tab between terminals, everything on the desktop momentarily flashes. Sometimes also while typing... [19:21] ...I see no errors in the Xorg log [19:22] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:22] my xorg.conf doesn't appear to be the problem. I did try a new kernel to make sure the drivers were newer [19:22] Necos: pk found one patch that seems to have sensors [19:22] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Necos: applied it, here's hoping [19:22] fire|bird: Necos i assume i leave amarok as it is ? [19:23] deco: yeah [19:23] you can [19:23] ok thanks :D [19:23] there are 2 new packages tho [19:23] necos: worked? [19:23] it is really really nice that Oracle has desided that they will spend a shit load of money on SPARC if they get to aqure Sun [19:23] Necos: amarok ? [19:23] kdepim-runtime (i think) and oxygen-icons [19:24] nono, in the whole 4.3 tree [19:24] elops, it's compiling... but i'll know for sure soon [19:24] Necos: He's building the latest stable, 4.3.1 [19:24] Necos: oh im upgrading to 4.3.1 [19:24] from 4.2? [19:24] fire|bird: :) [19:24] or 4.3? [19:24] Necos: 4.2 [19:24] good luck [19:24] then there are 2 new packages :P [19:24] Action: elops crosses his fingers for necoos [19:25] quasar: thanks [19:25] fire|bird should have warned you already [19:25] grazymax (n=grazymax@host11-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:25] Necos: lol [19:25] Necos: all the packages are new to me -_- [19:25] odd... it's on to compiling perl modules now ^.^ [19:25] Necos: warned about what? He's upgrading from 4.2.4 to 4.3.1, there's more than 2 new packages, they are all new. :P [19:25] oh, it's done... [19:25] deco: I'd recomend finding an install script that works for 4.3* before diving into it.. and yes, they do exist out there [19:25] fire|bird for the slackbuild ya dingdong [19:26] quasar: im gonna do the fire|bird way :P [19:26] remember some packages were split from the main tarballs [19:26] quasar: I used all of slackware's slackbuild scripts, it went fine. :) [19:27] fire|bird: really? where'd you find one that upgraded soprano/strigi/akonadi first? [19:27] Necos: worked? :) [19:27] hmmm, something just dawned on me elops [19:27] fire|bird: Necos will there be any problems if i leave the amarok directory empty ? i mean not put amaroks sources [19:27] quasar: I got the strigi, soprano, and akonadi slackbuilds from slackware and got the latest stable sources and built them. :) [19:27] Necos: what did you find? [19:27] deco: No, but then remove amarok from KDE.SlackBuild so it doesn't try and build it. [19:28] fire|bird: ok thanks [19:28] this patch does nothing [19:28] :P [19:28] Catoptro1ancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] what? [19:28] I'd just grab the one that does do those first, and like Necos said, some of the packages were split from the main tarballs [19:28] it patches the debian patches in the debian/ dir [19:28] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:29] yea I know [19:29] ie: knotification [19:29] or knotify, whatever its called [19:29] so you actually need to run all of the patches from the debian dir [19:29] Action: deco takes a break to make hotdogs [19:29] anyone have X flicker when moving between windows on the desktop? [19:29] deco: haha [19:30] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] and? [19:30] fire|bird: i would give you one but birds can't eat em :P [19:30] brb [19:30] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Client Quit [19:31] did that wamty guy ever figure out his snmp + lmsensors issue? [19:31] wow.. ieee802.11n is finaly a reality :P [19:31] Necos: ^^ [19:32] antiwire, i'm trying to fix it :P [19:32] elops, you need to do this in the source dir: [19:33] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [19:33] crazymentos (n=niet@66-50-185-106.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] patch -p1 but be warned... [19:34] http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2009-07/msg07167.html [19:34] Necos: It won't build with the lmsensors option enabled, for me [19:34] I only applied 03 patch [19:34] Action: Necos points up [19:34] ah [19:34] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:34] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [19:35] brb [19:35] time to test kernel .31 [19:35] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Let's hope it doesnt blow up" [19:35] Necos: why do i have to apply them all? [19:35] doesnt make snece sir [19:36] Necos: -bash: debian/patches/*.patch: ambiguous redirect [19:40] I should do cat debian/patches/*.patch | patch -p1 [19:40] YeOldeFarte (i=500@66.162.228.129) joined ##slackware. [19:40] mentr (n=niet@host-70-45-90-69.onelinkpr.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:41] that can work... but you do need to apply them all [19:41] but why? [19:42] some fail [19:43] err, at the very least, 03 and 08 [19:43] thanks for trying [19:43] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:44] I'll give that a whirl [19:44] Catoptro1ancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] i gotta get to my physics lab.. take care folks [19:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [19:45] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:47] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:48] wowsas! [19:48] macavity: did it blow up? [19:48] .31 really *does* speed up the graphics [19:48] Really? I haven't notice a whole lot of difference. [19:48] YeOldeFarte (i=500@66.162.228.129) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] the TTM engine that now exports the GEM API must be on speed :P [19:49] orly? [19:49] I'm on Nvidia though. FX5200 [19:49] i jumped from ~500fps to 1140fps in glxgears [19:49] bah.. then you dont count ;-) [19:49] gee, thanks [19:49] macavity: What about ati Xpress 200M on the laptop? Does that count? :P [19:50] yes it does [19:50] manymore (n=manymore@ip68-231-121-128.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:50] very much endeed [19:50] *indeed [19:50] Action: macavity cant spell [19:50] really? [19:50] yes [19:50] I know [19:50] fire|bird: you dont count cause you have graphics power ;) [19:50] lol [19:50] the Xpress 200M is r300 no? [19:50] macavity: I believe so, yes. [19:51] macavity: you mean the kms that .31 has now for ati? [19:51] then yes, the .31 kernel should give you a major boost in performance [19:51] that too [19:51] or cause your system to essplode :o [19:52] andarius may be right though.. it is still considered a staging driver [19:52] macavity: ok, I had added radeon.modeset=1 (I seen that on a sight where I was reading about it) Is that what/all I need to do? I haven't noticed a difference. :/ [19:52] though mostly because the API is not fixed yet, so it may break useland things later [19:52] added that in lilo.conf append line [19:52] macavity: KMS in 2.6.31 works here! :) [19:52] rworkman: congrats :-) [19:53] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] it worked for me on .30.1 and onwards [19:53] Works very *well* too - suspend and wakeup times are noticably better [19:53] yup [19:53] and VT switch is instant [19:53] indeed [19:54] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:54] fire|bird: i havent tried with ATI yet [19:54] macavity: ok [19:54] fire|bird: but i just got a laptop for the GF with an Xpress 200M, so as soon as i get it soldered i will hack on it [19:54] cool [19:55] though from the docs this particular r300 based chip has seen little testing, so dont hold your breath [19:55] I've just went by what I've read for enabling it, but I haven't seen really any difference. [19:55] so I figured there was something else I had to do. :P [19:55] hi fire|bird [19:56] Kamel (n=1@173.132.68.21) joined ##slackware. [19:56] hi [19:57] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [19:57] fire|bird: i compiled all the relevant stuff in, and specifically left out "VESA VGA text console" [19:57] fire|bird: and simply selected "enable KMS by default" [19:57] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:58] macavity: Hmm, maybe that's what I missed, I'll look into it some more. Thanks. [19:58] fire|bird: i boot straight to 1280x800@24bpp/8bac without any vga= lines in lilo.conf [19:58] fire|bird: well.. *eventually* i should be possible to get all of this going without compiling it in [19:58] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left ##slackware. [19:59] fire|bird: should i build oxgen-icons seperatly ? i guess because it's not in the kdescript [19:59] my lilo.conf is whatever it was from installing slackware on the laptop, aside from now adding that radeon line and a couple kernels. [19:59] deco: you can, yeah, just be sure to build it or you'll have no icons [19:59] fire|bird: you may want to try removing the vga= line [19:59] fire|bird: ok thanks :) [19:59] fire|bird: as that is probably passed to vesafb pretty early on [20:00] macavity: ok, I'll give that a try and see what happens. At least it doesn't say that the radeon line I added is invalid or something. :P [20:00] fire|bird: and if vesafb graps the device you are back to good old non-KMS [20:00] fire|bird: whats the native resolution on the LVDS? [20:01] xover (n=rich@host86-152-49-116.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:01] vga = 773 is in lilo.conf [20:01] comment it out [20:01] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:02] alright, that's commented out. :) [20:03] lilo && reboot [20:03] The desktop's native resolution, with the radeon driver, is 1280x800 [20:03] ok, will do. :) [20:03] fatalnix (n=user@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [20:03] ok, that should be good looking :-) [20:04] I'm using emacs on IRC XD [20:04] mentr (n=niet@host-70-45-90-69.onelinkpr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] I took the time to read the tutorial and all. [20:04] macavity: It is. At least kde4 sure looks great. :) and handles all kde4 effects very nicely. :) [20:05] pssshh, emacs [20:06] fire|bird: looks like there's a couple of pacakages like oxgen hope i remember :P [20:06] fatalnix: emacs is a really nice operating system [20:06] fatalnix: it just sucks that it is shipped without a proper text editor ;-) [20:06] lol [20:07] fire|bird: are you using an initrd? [20:07] macavity: that's what vi is for :D [20:08] Reticenti: re-write vi in elisp and you've got yourself a deal! ;-) [20:08] macavity: eh, yeah. luks + lvm :) [20:08] lol [20:08] fire|bird: ok, then i am not 100% sure that the KMS'ed console will fly without mods [20:09] ok [20:09] fire|bird: maybe you need to add the agp/drm/radeon/ modules too for it to work [20:10] i am *almost* certain that once text has been printed to the console, then it is locked down to whatever driver was active [20:11] Kamel (n=1@173.132.68.21) left irc: [20:11] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] ok, .31 really speeds up composite [20:12] oh? [20:13] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:13] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [20:13] greetings NyteOwl [20:13] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] hi fire|bird, what's shakin? [20:14] fire|bird: can't i just add the missing folders in the kdescript ? [20:14] deco: missing folders? which ones. [20:14] Dominian: everything else is stock Slackware32 13.0 [20:14] mentrr (n=niet@66-50-185-106.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] fire|bird: i mean like oxygen etc.. [20:14] NyteOwl: not much here. :P you? [20:14] fire|bird: they're not listed in the kde script [20:15] nothing much. crappy Friday [20:15] Action: andarius shakes fire|bird [20:15] deco: you can, but then you need to add them to that script, then make a folder for them, with slackbuild, slack-desc, etc. and then put the source in src in the kde directory. :) [20:15] more shaking now huh :P [20:15] Dominian: glxgears went from ~500fps to 1160fps, composite went from just-noticable-stutter to completely smooth and 100% responsive (on cube spin with movie playing) [20:15] andarius: hahaha, indeed. [20:15] macavity: hrm.. I may have to give it a try [20:15] macavity: You doing an initrd? [20:16] fire|bird: ok they will make things faster :) [20:16] Dominian: nope.. everything graphical compiled in (lazy, dont bother to debug) and Intel 945GM [20:16] that* [20:16] hehe [20:16] macavity: I don't do initrd either [20:16] macavity: I added agp, drm, and radeon and that had no affect. :P More will have to be done apparently. :P [20:17] fire|bird: you are missing the radeon specific agp driver [20:17] fire|bird: mine is called intel-agp [20:17] fire|bird: sorry, the $CHIPSET specific driver [20:17] macavity: ok, I shall track that down. :) [20:17] fire|bird: VIA? [20:18] you may also need agpgart [20:18] macavity: not sure, I'll have to check to be sure. [20:18] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: [20:19] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:19] Kamel (n=1@173.132.68.21) joined ##slackware. [20:19] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [20:20] fire|bird: agpgart.ko and via-agp.ko are there too [20:20] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [20:20] fire|bird: but there is also ati-agp [20:20] fire|bird: dunno about that... [20:20] how can I find out what I need to use? :P [20:20] has ati made any chipsets?!? [20:20] lspci? [20:21] macavity: Well, looking at lspci, I have a TON of ATI Technologies for darn near everything. :P [20:21] do you have any VIA anything? [20:21] except the south bridge? [20:21] ati/amd have made several chipsets [20:22] macavity: no, only non-ati things are Texas Instruments, Realtek, and Broadcom. [20:22] lspci > pastebin :P [20:22] fire|bird: then it is probably ati-agp and agpgart [20:22] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:23] i compiled all that stuff in [20:23] that is, my intel counterparts [20:23] macavity: ok (this is fire|bird, just on the laptop) :P http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Y2kwea60.html [20:24] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [20:24] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:24] smoking|gull: just a sec [20:24] haha, ok :) [20:25] ati-agp [20:25] and agpgart is always needed [20:25] ok [20:25] but again, if it wont fly, just compile all the graphical stuff in [20:26] crazymentos (n=niet@66-50-185-106.prtc.net) left irc: Success [20:26] macavity: ok, thanks. :) [20:26] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl72-46.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 105 (No buffer space available) [20:27] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [20:27] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.29) joined ##slackware. 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[20:36] mentr (n=niet@host-70-45-90-69.onelinkpr.net) left irc: Success [20:37] mentr (n=niet@host-70-45-90-69.onelinkpr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] mentr (n=niet@host-70-45-90-69.onelinkpr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:37] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:38] i make a kernel package with my current running kernel just before i build a new one, just in case something goes wrong, but once the new kernel is booted and shows to be good i delete the old one [20:39] firedix (n=firedix@host245.201-252-162.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [20:39] space is cheap, atways a good ideer to keep the old one around just in case [20:40] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-168-78-251.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:41] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:42] i like to live dangerously, i run with sissors in my hand too [20:42] i always keep at least an extra Pat V. blessed kernel around [20:42] and i dont bother with kernel packages, as i only have the bzimage in /boot and the modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ [20:43] ... so its more trouble building the package than just cp/rm the components [20:43] :) [20:44] just copy /boot & /lib/modules/ to /tmp/pkg and go in to /tmp/pkg and run makepkg on it [20:44] doesnt most peopel actual just cp the kernel and modules there, fearing the automatical script somehow will screw up ? [20:44] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] maybe firmware too if you build that [20:45] i manually copy System.map .config & bzImage to /boot then run make modules_install update lilo and reboot [20:45] it looks like nouveau is actually moving now [20:46] macavity: yeah, I had read about nouveau in maybe .32 or .33 [20:46] fire|bird: i am talking about the Mesa side of things [20:47] :P [20:47] Action: fire|bird goes back to what he was doing. :) [20:47] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [20:47] once nouveau matures where will it get included to? maybe the kernel? or xorg? [20:47] fire|bird: but yes, having KMS working out of the box for nvidia cards would be very nice [20:48] Pig_Pen: the kernel part will get into the kernel, the 2D driver gets included in xorg, and the 3D driver gets included in Mesa [20:48] macavity: yeah, then I could use that on the desktop. Hopefully anyway. :P [20:48] looking forward to take nvidia card OUT of the box , seems I can do that soon [20:49] m00p (n=topcat@client-82-26-66-182.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: [20:49] rachael: dont throw it away.. a famous free software project may benefit from you having such a card handy in the future ;-) [20:50] yey today is over. Beer time! :D [20:50] we need to get rid of the proprietary nvidia driver, and the propietary flash blob [20:50] macavity: alright, this kernel, with all the stuff compiled in (I hope I got it all) is building. So, here goes nothing, or everything. :P [20:50] hey agentc0re [20:50] whos'a gonna join me? [20:50] y0! [20:50] fire|bird: may the source be with you [20:50] macavity: is this where we're all supposed to pull out our sabers and point them at fire|bird? ;) [20:51] haha [20:51] macavity, hehe, I rarely throw out things, have been bitten too many times by doing that [20:51] agentc0re: no obscene behaviour in ##slackware please.. so just put that "saber" back inside ;-) [20:51] lol [20:51] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] afk [20:52] Action: rachael pads the vaxserver, yeah you are a good box [20:52] What wrong with the proprietary nvidia drivers besides them being closed source? [20:52] rachael: i used to be the same way until one day i look in the disk partition where i store all my old files & packages and it was a cluttered mess with many versions of each package and deleted gigs of old stuff (except for the newest version) [20:52] y0 slackers... how's everyone? [20:53] shooosh! [20:53] O_(O)--m shoosh? [20:53] be very, very quiet, we huntin quasar's [20:53] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Pig_Pen, rsync my homedir between the different machine here, it usual amounts to 100gb as I am notorous bad a cleaning up [20:54] so now whenever i build something new i keep the next older version around just long enough so when the new version proves itself worthy of keeping i delete the old one [20:54] morning folks [20:54] greetings dive, how are you? [20:54] evening, dive. :) [20:54] ^_^.... fine thanks fire|bird, how's yourself [20:54] you'll never see me! [20:54] evening godling [20:55] dive: excellent, thanks. [20:55] quasar, you just given out your location :> [20:55] quasar: 3.5 miles North into the forest, 1 mile east, under the car shaped rock. [20:56] doesnt' mean you see me! I only exist in the infrared ! [20:56] agentc0re, well for ones nvidia removes older cards from the new drivers, and the old drivers might not compile against a new kernel , that is an annoyance, and they can be slow at times to cache up to current kernel [20:56] quasar: I'm in a helicopter with thermal imaging and all that fancy stuff. :) [20:56] Action: dive puts on his night specs [20:56] coffee's ready to go [20:57] mentrr (n=niet@66-50-185-106.prtc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:57] Quiznos: y0 [20:57] quasar it's the littel black chopper with the big FLEAR ball on the top, just aim about 2 metres below the ball :) [20:57] hi [20:57] Houston we have a problem. I'm goin down. :P [20:58] some idiot behind a rock shot at me. :/ [20:58] ok black|hawk [20:58] Steven Tyler ! [20:58] peregrine|falcon :D [20:58] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:58] fire|bird, you never seen the film Black Hawk Down? [20:58] yeah :P [20:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:59] 'seen it' ? I shot the damn thing down ! [20:59] lol [20:59] haha [20:59] wild|turkey ? : [20:59] Colt/SA/Sig/BHP/Beretta/Wilson/Norinco - decisions decisions :) [20:59] :D [20:59] that's got a double meaning and everything [21:00] double entendre? [21:00] ah, yeah. for a minute I thought double entendre referred specifically to sexual comments. guess not. :) [21:01] NyteOwl, Kimber [21:01] diven: no thanks. [21:01] D: [21:02] Ok, Wilson then [21:02] I like Wilson but my wallet doesn't :p [21:02] Are buying a 1911? [21:02] Most likely, though I'm fond of BHP's too [21:02] NyteOwl: Use somebody else's wallet. [21:03] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [21:03] :D [21:03] godling: you volunteering? :) [21:03] rachael: Oh, i thought that was an ati problem not nvidia. Never really heard of anyone having problems with old nvidia drivers compiling against the newer kernels... but i am not saying it doesn't happen either. [21:03] Well fwiw I love my Kimber Pro-Carry [21:03] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:03] sure. I live in California; we give out IOUs here. Is that OK? [21:03] ;P [21:03] godling: nope :) [21:04] anyone ever watch one of those haunting shows, like the one on Investigation Discovery right now (A Haunting) and the person is sitting there talking in a darkened room with a light on behind them so that you can't see their face? ... I often wonder "wtf are they hiding from? a ghost?" [21:04] I have a Springer XD too that is OK [21:04] rachael: I mean, at some point they have to stop supporting old equipment. At that time, those drivers should be made open source for sure. [21:04] 1/2 the price though [21:04] diven re XD: I don't like plastic pistols :) [21:04] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:04] :D [21:05] as for the Pro-Carry, the barrel is too short to be legal here [21:05] i do not believe in god or the supernatural, its all a sham for profit$ [21:05] quasar: the room is dark so you can't see the idiot hiding behind them and making ghost noises [21:05] I don't mind them provided they dont start with a G [21:05] NyteOwl, where are you? [21:05] Pig_Pen not always [21:05] Canada [21:05] yes always [21:05] http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/s5nToYLNOpm4y_-7Bx2SZg?feat=directlink [21:05] Pro-carry [21:06] Whats the limit? 5" [21:06] I'm also old fashioned inthat I prefer steel frames [21:06] 106mm [21:06] 4.173" [21:06] I see [21:06] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] do you like Walther NyteOwl? [21:07] My next purchase will likely be a Springer GI model [21:07] P88 didn't look bad but the only Walther I have any experience with is the old P38 [21:08] diven: I was looking at the Mil-Spec. I liek the lowered ejection port [21:08] Thats a fine pistol [21:08] diven: I'm currently using a 1943 Colt 1911A1 :) [21:08] Nice [21:08] agentc0re, well its a problem with any closed source driver, sure ati have done it too their firegl driver, but for the older card they atleast had some info available so there where some oss drivers for those, nvidia didnt do that, and the oss drivers for nvidia wherent usable for a long time, not sure how it is today [21:08] time to give the old gal a rest though [21:10] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-113-118.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [21:10] something wrong with it NyteOwl? [21:11] godling: no but at it's age (and unknown round count, you never know when you could crack the slide and that would ruin the pistol. I'd rather just retire it nand keep it as a collectible. [21:13] I just missed out on a Novak Custom Commander :( [21:14] neonflux (n=mrjones@ip67-152-80-247.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] I suppose we should take this to ##slackofftopic heh [21:15] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [21:18] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:18] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:19] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] ivandi (n=ivandi69@bas5-quebec14-1177724501.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:20] ivandi (n=ivandi69@bas5-quebec14-1177724501.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware. [21:20] this movie is really disturbing [21:20] Which movie,Quiznos? [21:20] and i remember it being a big hit when released [21:20] _bill and ted's excellent adventure_ [21:21] oh yes [21:21] the physicist in me is crying [21:21] 100% wacky movie [21:21] yeah,it is [21:22] Quiznos, [21:22] WILD STALLION!!!! [21:22] hi; that's me; dont wear out the nick [21:22] lee555J5 (n=lee@71.91.2.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:22] Action: BP{k} thought this is why they invented an "off" button on tv's and such. [21:23] yep [21:23] napolean pushed down a water slide [21:24] I use the quote when they pick up Socrates in tense meetings sometimes [21:24] helps to break the tension [21:24] what line? [21:24] "All we are is dust in the wind, dude" [21:24] lol [21:24] yea [21:25] i saw that; the better one is what Socrates says [21:25] the Soap theme [21:25] "Like sand in the hour glass, so are the days of our lives" [21:27] Heh heh... Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. I liked that movie. And I love the hap tip to Doctor Who. [21:27] yea [21:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.214.199) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:29] Action: hitest loves fluxbox.....it works quite well on this POS Plll 667 unit:) [21:31] hear ya,hitest...upgrade go well? [21:31] yep, very well. running 2/4 boxes now on 13.0......2 more boxes to go:) [21:32] yeah,just updated my POS VIA laptop earlier today [21:32] awesome [21:32] hitest: Ya, i need to update a few servers at work. [21:32] lol; Joan of Arc doing jazzzercise [21:33] agentc0re: 13.0 rocks, I'm really happy with it:) [21:33] I am considering a new build and am leaning in the direction of an AMD phenom II 945 [21:34] the best actress to portray Joan of Arc IMO was Leelee Sobieski [21:35] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] no way, Lucy Liu, they will never expect a sexy asian chic [21:36] she is but she dint portray Joan [21:37] Do you know what Joan of Arc's last meal was? [21:37] call hollywood, get them on it right away! [21:37] nop [21:37] stake and ail [21:37] Lucy Liu as.... Joan the Destroyer [21:37] ew [21:37] lol [21:37] godling heh [21:37] "God told me to KILL YOU ALL" [21:38] hardcore metal soundtrack [21:38] hitest: totally.. just need to update. I need to finish my SBo of bacula so i can do it though.. [21:38] hell yeah [21:38] she was a christian peasant girl with a calling. [21:38] nothing like a jew nailed to a piece of wood to motivate people [21:39] Pig_Pen: LOL [21:39] a tree actually [21:39] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] Pig_Pen: Speaking of him.. that reminds me of two of the best songs known to man made about him. prepare yourself for the links!! (go get a beer) :P [21:40] hey it's friday [21:40] yea; i'm gonna get some bee-ah tomorrow [21:40] I think I have a few in the fridge [21:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwxOhOtNfHU AND http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPdFrW076R0 [21:41] diven: Yes it is. cheers! [21:41] Cheers! [21:41] Action: agentc0re raises his glass [21:41] Action: diven toasts [21:41] mozel tov [21:41] http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/howtos/flash_cookies.htm priceless [21:41] Quiznos: you're a day late a dollar short at that point. [21:41] when? [21:42] Quiznos: if you get beer tomorrow. [21:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKBI7DOLHA [21:42] eya well, walmart doesnt have what i want [21:42] gotta visit the gas statin [21:42] Action: hitest sips his wine [21:42] they have wine too [21:43] sahko: originally I tried to just redirect .macromedia to /dev/null [21:43] but walmart doesnt have single unit beer in glass [21:43] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] Quiznos: but walmart sells glasses [21:43] in packs only [21:44] how does Craige feel about being fucked by Stephen Lynch? o.O [21:44] -e [21:44] what with the skimask? [21:44] briareus (n=briareus@ip70-176-28-69.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] didn't say.. just kept repeating "I'm fucking Craig" [21:46] is it worse than http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWNr6bgEmc ? [21:47] pcallycat (n=dad@97-121-8-82.bois.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] what's the /msg name to get chanlist from? [21:50] i need the spanish linux chan [21:51] #slackware-es [21:51] general linux [21:51] lol, Craig is cool [21:51] quasar: search here for irc channels: http://irc.netsplit.de/channels [21:51] /list works also [21:51] no one in -es or -sp [21:51] not here [21:51] "heavy load" [21:51] ivandi (n=ivandi69@bas5-quebec14-1177724501.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:51] sometimes the progress bar in firefox is grey and sometimes it is blue [21:51] try a different server [21:52] gnubien: I'm not searching for channels, but thanks [21:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:52] Quiznos: search here for irc channels: http://irc.netsplit.de/channels [21:52] anyone speak/write spanish? [21:53] lol [21:53] Quiznos: google translate does alittle [21:53] chmod 555 ~/.macromedia [21:53] ^^ has some funny side effects :P [21:53] i need someone; not something [21:53] omg got i get SOMEONE; if i wanted something i'd have asked for it [21:54] macavity: a soft link for ~/.macromedia to /dev/null has worked ok for me for 5 months now [21:54] like taking down firefox hard [21:54] gnubien: nice [21:54] macavity: read an article at justlinux.com about it [21:55] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:55] yup.. that works [21:56] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [21:56] macavity: no problems with that symlink for me so far [21:57] gnubien: whats the point of doing that? [21:58] agentc0re: reduces file clutter in home dir [21:59] agentc0re: no Adobe Flash Cookies if you use that [21:59] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:59] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] agentc0re: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6711/2/ [22:03] http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=5056014&vk=2yZ/QidCJNqonYv4tFFx8PIR1wBhlZQF9EMMWQ0E8esxkC7LQ4Q3/cPg2b6nsReX [22:03] damn.. i spelled "awsum" wrong.. i am such a poor lolkitteh :-/ [22:03] wow i didn't know about the whole jail thing. [22:04] freakyfractal (n=freakyfr@248.Red-79-152-158.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] illusion: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/08/squarecirclespiral.jpg [22:06] gnubien: argh.. those things drive me nuts [22:06] macavity: yea, gives me a headache [22:07] http://imagebin.org/63548 i like this one macavity [22:07] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] hi [22:07] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:07] gnubien: did you know that people with a high IQ is more suseptile to visual illusions? [22:08] what's a good audio editing app ? [22:08] Pig_Pen: lol [22:08] lol Pig_Pen [22:08] snL20: a wave editor? [22:08] gnubien: that is a weird image, i cant focus on it [22:09] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-163-158.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:09] macavity: sure, I'd prefer an mp3 editor, but I can convert :) [22:09] Pig_Pen: no one can, circles look like spirals [22:10] ivandi (n=ivandi69@bas5-quebec14-1177724501.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware. [22:11] pcallycat (n=dad@97-121-8-82.bois.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:11] snL20: mhwaveedit works good imho [22:11] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:12] http://www.themonkeycage.org/monkey.JPG [22:12] gnubien: ok, thanks [22:13] snL20: mhwaveedit has some nice features [22:15] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [22:15] /c [22:15] bah [22:16] rworkman: dang leading space ;) [22:17] rhys (n=Rhys_Rha@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] rworkman: nice! you really do average that about once a month. [22:17] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:18] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [22:18] As fast as the phoenix enters the world he turns to ash to be reborn. [22:19] macavity: alright, this kernel builds done, no really noticeable difference, but even with the vga lines commented out, this time I still got the same resolution as when I had the vga line uncommented. [22:19] briareus (n=briareus@ip70-176-28-69.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] agentc0re: hahaha [22:19] agentc0re: he needs fire insurance ;) [22:19] pcallycat (n=dad@97-121-8-82.bois.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:20] pcallycat (n=dad@97-121-8-82.bois.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:20] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:20] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [22:20] Pig_Pen: i've now created a radio station for that song. :D http://broadcaster.pandora.com/t?r=927&c=0&l=37961&ctl=179593A:3EFE133CB7B8BD74049189AF5157BE27& [22:21] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:21] pcallycat (n=dad@97.121.8.82) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Unr3a1 (n=root@cpe-72-226-127-174.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:21] hey all [22:22] rbjt (n=rbjt@189.163.206.30) joined ##slackware. [22:22] I am having some problems installing the broadcom "hybrid" drivers for my BCM4312 broadcom card. [22:22] coolbeans [22:23] reference this post for what I have done so far, and where I am stuck now: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/broadcom-drivers.-754512/ [22:23] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-164-197.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:23] Pig_Pen: are you of Scottish decent? [22:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:23] fatalnix (n=user@70.16.70.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] I just cloned my laptop install over to the new disk: [22:24] Timing buffered disk reads: 232 MB in 3.01 seconds = 77.14 MB/sec [22:24] freaking awesome [22:24] i am not sure what all i am, my family name originated from the northwest part of England, there is a fishing boat from that area with the same name [22:24] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:24] I went from a 160GB 8MB cache 5400RPM to a 320GB 16MB cache 7200RPM [22:24] insanity [22:25] antiwire: pfft.. i get over 200Mb/sec :P [22:25] was your mind blown at the speed? [22:25] antiwire: such a loooser!! [22:25] on a laptop? [22:25] wtf! [22:25] hehe [22:25] j/k w/ya [22:25] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-198-135.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:25] 77MB/s is pretty good for a laptop [22:25] does anyone know what would cause that error? [22:25] well, i really do get 200mb/sec. just on my desktop. [22:25] lol [22:27] antiwire: Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.03 seconds = 43.51 MB/sec I just got that during use. Listening to the radio and having several tabs open on the netbook with FF. [22:27] oh plus a torrent seeding and pidgin. [22:28] This new disk should help out a lot with my rootfs luks [22:28] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [22:28] The disk IO has always been my bottleneck [22:28] nice. [22:28] probably will help out with gigabit network transfers too [22:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] hello everyone [22:28] :) [22:28] brb, time to mess up my partition table [22:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [22:29] antiwire: yo, can i pm you when you get... fuck. [22:29] s/fuck/free time [22:29] i dunno how i messed that one up. :P [22:29] no pm-ing during fucking, kthxbai ;) [22:29] haha [22:29] i wanna get back into using pgp [22:30] Unr3a1 (n=root@cpe-72-226-127-174.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:30] toast (i=1000@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] Nick change: toast -> toastytoast [22:31] if you do, then minus geek points for you [22:31] why [22:31] (pming note) [22:31] oh [22:34] alisonken1home: x2 since they're both dudes ! [22:34] quasar: :) [22:36] but who loses more points? agentc0re for asking or antiwire for agreeing to it? [22:36] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-233-86.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:36] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [22:37] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:2d1) joined ##slackware. [22:37] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] those .adobe & .macromedia 0 byte files crash firefox [22:38] gsan (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.207) joined ##slackware. [22:38] too good to be true [22:38] what is you and antiwire's song agentc0re? Crazy Bitch by Buckcherry. [22:39] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:39] I thhought their song was "Prison Bitch" [22:39] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:39] anybody knows how to enable kms modesetting in the kernel? I looked online and couldn't find anything to help. [22:40] gsan: One second; let me get that link. [22:40] nrselfpwm: thanks [22:41] quasar: agreeing to what? he left. [22:41] we're talking hypothetical here [22:42] mrselfpwn: No, if you must ask. It's coin operated boy. :P [22:42] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:42] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.145.214) joined ##slackware. [22:43] gsan: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_Graphics#KMS_.28Kernel_Mode_Setting.29 [22:44] mrselfpwn: thanks, I'll give it a go [22:44] leave Michael alone. [22:44] np gsan [22:45] gsan: look under the KMS section of course. [22:45] gsan: also; http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Intel_GMA [22:46] gsan: The second one shows the actual kernel tree where you enable it [22:47] The second is actually a better guide as well. [22:48] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:48] mrselfpwn: thanks so much. [22:48] yw bud [22:49] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [22:50] mrselfpwn: Who said anything about Michael? [22:50] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:50] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [22:50] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:50] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:51] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Client Quit [22:51] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:52] test34: I'd say your join/quit script is working quite well :) [22:52] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:53] quasar, sorry [22:53] installed a new client [22:53] wind up boy toys agentc0re [22:54] you like v13 so far? [22:55] just a joke [22:56] mrselfpwn: I don't think you've ever seen coin operated boy's then? wtf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilB8DOVx6W0 [22:56] mrselfpwn: i know it's all fun in games. :D [22:58] so, firefox is using too much of my ram, is there a better browser i could use that has small ram usage/ [22:58] lynx [22:58] elinks [22:58] wget ftw. [22:58] lol [22:58] fun and games? [22:59] i was thinking more of something that ran in X [22:59] midori, arora [22:59] all of 'em run fine in X [22:59] Reticenti, do you need flash and images? [22:59] Action: quasar uses them all the time :) [22:59] images would be nice [23:00] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-163-236-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] we dont support porn here... except fire|bird and his virgin goat porn [23:00] Reticenti, how about css and javascript [23:00] its just that FF is taking 50% of my ram [23:00] probably, test34 [23:00] agentc0re: thank you. i am now enlightened. [23:00] Reticenti, get 50% more ram and you'll be ok [23:00] Reticenti: check out midori or arora, they are on slackbuilds.org :P [23:01] or, use konqueror. :D [23:01] thakns [23:01] does konq use less ram than ff/ [23:01] Reticenti: in my experiences, yes. [23:01] agentc0re: now I am scared for antiwire's safety. [23:01] Reticenti: and, it seems to run flash stuff smoother too. [23:01] mmk, i'll give it try [23:02] Reticenti: cool. :) [23:02] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:03] konq uses about 10% less ram [23:03] than ff [23:03] because i also have to load all the kde stuff for it [23:03] (using xfce) [23:04] mrselfpwn: you should tell him that when he returns.. [23:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Action: agentc0re continues to make his coin operated boy look alike of antiwire [23:05] lol [23:05] foureyes779 (n=Theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [23:05] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:05] ould you suggest midori or arora, test34 ? [23:06] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:08] Reticenti, maybe take a look at http://celettu.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/qt-vs-gtk-konqueror-arora-firefox-midori-epiphany/ [23:08] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:09] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [23:10] pcallycat (n=dad@97.121.8.82) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] evilazeee (n=joliclou@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] does xfce ust qt or gtk, or something else? [23:13] gtk [23:13] Reticenti, ^ [23:13] thanks [23:13] so midora would be best for me [23:14] BP{k}: is this true? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1j31AnF1zs :D because it's funny as all hell. [23:14] IceW (n=sartori@189-18-159-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:14] Reticenti, what is midora? [23:14] pcallycat (n=dad@97-121-8-82.bois.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] a lightweight browser, diabolix [23:15] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/midori/ [23:15] ff was using 50% of my ram [23:15] (256mb ram) [23:15] Reticenti, I used to use dillo. [23:15] eh [23:15] i like pictures [23:16] Reticenti, dillo is a gui. [23:16] oh [23:16] Uzbl [23:16] based on webkit [23:16] (kind of) [23:16] i'll try it out if midora doesnt work [23:17] Reticenti, another good choice is compile links2 with x11 support. that is probably the lightest-weight option available. It doen't support stylesheets, but it displays most content fine, with pictures. [23:17] foureyes779 (n=Theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:17] i like css [23:17] Reticenti, have you tried opera? [23:17] not on this machine [23:17] Uzbl does css, and javascript, and flash, etc [23:18] the desire to use vi-like key-combos for an inheritly graphical application befuddles me. [23:18] lol [23:19] theres a ff extention that lets you use vi commands [23:19] fwiw midori had a new release 0.1.10 yesterday [23:19] altho, I guess I use the key-combos for photoshop. [23:19] oh [23:19] thanks sahko [23:19] toastytoast (i=1000@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] agentc0re: are you asking if there was an attack of glasgow airport? yes there was. [23:22] Action: hiptobecubic is using vimperator right now [23:22] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.145.214) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:23] It's pretty nice really, considering the mouse still works fine when you need it. [23:23] agentc0re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_International_Airport_attack (and yes Michael McIntyre is good ) [23:23] Action: godling integrates hiptobecubic [23:24] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:2d1) left irc: "Fui embora" [23:25] For the record, there is NO evidence implicating BP{k} in this incident. [23:25] oh wow [23:25] Another man exited the car and ran into the terminal building while he was on fire and began writhing on the ground, before being kicked in his burning testicles by a member of the public, John Smeaton,[24] who was awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal for his heroism. [23:25] haha [23:25] hiptobecubic: that's the scots for you ;) [23:25] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:25] I wish I could get a medal for kicking someone in the junk. [23:25] 'the junk' [23:26] The giblets [23:26] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:26] happends here all the time ;) ---> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8248471.stm [23:26] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [23:26] laters, sleepytime [23:26] he got a Gallantry Medal for kicking a man who was burning to death in the nuts? that's just whack [23:26] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:26] of course the Uk is going slowly insane anyway [23:27] going?? [23:27] What's the big deal? HRH likes roasted nuts. [23:27] LOL [23:28] "We are not amused." [23:28] will someone try this and tell me what time they get for it? `time python -c "import gtk; c = gtk.clipboard_get(); c.set_text(''); c.store()"` [23:28] rbjt (n=rbjt@189.163.206.30) left irc: "Saliendo" [23:28] Ewww! It reformatted my hard drive and installed Windows 7! [23:29] rob0, but how LONG did it take? [23:29] And now it's playing Rick Astley! Of all the NERVE! [23:29] pygtk is always slow. [23:29] it shouldn't be THIS slow. That scripts takes my laptop 11 seconds. [23:30] script* [23:30] dog seconds? [23:30] ... [23:30] :D [23:30] :) [23:31] really though, how long [23:31] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:31] "Never gonna give you up," it's singing [23:32] i'm getting "real 0m10.574s user 0m0.220s sys 0m0.060s", which makes no sense at all to me. [23:32] All MY base are belong to it. [23:33] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:34] hiptobecubic: try using /usr/bin/time [23:34] godling, ... that's what that is [23:34] oh [23:34] :D [23:35] hi people [23:35] cool. I already had to deal with the built-in time vs. /usr/bin/time issue :) [23:35] midori has a few dependencies [23:35] hiptobecubic: what kind of processor are you using? [23:35] how can i check to see if i have dependency? [23:35] it really has nothing to do with proc speed. it shouldn't take 10 seconds to store '' to the clipboard. [23:36] I get an error when I try to set the text [23:36] but not when I import gtk or get the clipboard instance [23:37] whats the command to see if i ahve libsoup installed? [23:37] have* [23:37] actually no, that looks like bash(1)'s time command. [23:37] Reticenti: ls /var/log/packages/*libsoup* [23:37] rob0: if it starts singing "achy breaky heart" you'll know you're in trouble [23:37] thansk fire|bird [23:38] Reticenti: and, you can do that with other things too, just replace libsoup with another package name. [23:39] rob0: it does if you used -p :) [23:39] yeah [23:39] good night slackers :-) [23:39] i should make that an alias lol [23:39] rhys (n=Rhys_Rha@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [23:39] night macavity [23:40] see ya [23:40] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "..And remember kids: if it aint broke - hit it again!!!" [23:40] webkit takes a while to install [23:40] does anyone who use midori have problems displaying sites with japanese characters? eg, http://www.humanhighwayrecords.com/release/hhr48.html [23:41] usus12jari: i let you know, i'm in the middloe of compiling midori [23:41] midle* [23:41] middle* :| [23:41] lol [23:41] Reticenti: :) [23:42] actually, i don't think i have japanese locale files installed [23:42] usus12jari: are you suing the newest version of libsoup? [23:42] using* [23:43] i'm pretty sure that is the dependency that handles unicode [23:44] libsoup 2.26.0 here, i'll try to upgrade it [23:44] freakyfractal (n=freakyfr@248.Red-79-152-158.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:45] 2.26.3 is the newest according to slackbuilds [23:46] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.142.91) joined ##slackware. [23:47] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.142.91) left irc: Client Quit [23:47] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.142.91) joined ##slackware. [23:47] can one upragde from 12.2 to 13? [23:48] Did you read the UPGRADE.txt on one of the mirrors? [23:48] usus12jari: also see if you have the latest icu4c (4.2.1) [23:48] Dominian: that was a rhetorical question, right? ;-) [23:49] rworkman: yes [23:49] :) [23:49] Dominian: im concerned about having to reinstall and reconfigure stuff [23:49] lee555J5 (n=lee@71.91.2.18) joined ##slackware. [23:49] dartmouth: a few peeps have gone from 12.2 to 13.0 with little to no issue [23:49] Dominian: what? since when do we have to read stuff? preposterous! [23:49] dartmouth: once you've done it a few times, you won't be concerned. [23:49] Experience - that thing you get right after you need it. [23:50] can one upgrade from the internet? [23:50] Viscious cycle. [23:50] dartmouth: what about moving /home to its own partition? [23:50] BP{k}: crap! edumacation ftw! [23:50] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [23:50] Dominian: have you ever considered perhaps reading "man slackpkg"? {short answer: yes, but please be kind to the mirrors} [23:50] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-93-72-179.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:50] haha [23:50] BP{k}: tabFail. [23:50] bah :( [23:51] dios_mio: ^^ [23:51] i'm seeding the slack 13 dvd iso, that's always a choice too [23:51] in camelCase nonetheless ;P [23:51] rworkman: well Dominian can do with reading man slackpkg ;) [23:51] hehe [23:51] godling: I wondered if anyone would comment on that :D [23:52] slackpkg bah [23:52] bah: Unknown option. [23:52] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.142.91) left irc: "leaving" [23:52] heh [23:53] hrm [23:53] works for me [23:53] im still using a -current from like...january or february [23:53] slackpkg bah outputs: openSUSE ftw [23:53] wth... [23:53] rworkman: hehe [23:53] That nick has basically become synonymous in my book with "needs to be spoonfed" [23:53] (so I wasn't going to answer his second question - he got a free one from me) [23:54] :) [23:55] Reticenti: you're doing good. just keep at it, and keep asking questions. dont be discouraged by some of the older members of the community, someone will help you if you need it bad enough. i've been there, and it'll be worth it, the more you learn about how to administer your linux system. [23:55] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:55] huh? [23:56] Reticenti, it's always good to have a /home partition [23:56] what was i asking? [23:56] Reticenti: yes you can move /home to its own partition; that's best done during setup, but if you really need it, you can just copy it all over after you mount it, then plug it all into your fstab [23:56] oh [23:56] no, [23:56] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:56] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] i was suggesting you move /home to a different partition so you dont have to mess with all your settings in the upgrade... [23:56] lol [23:56] ohh [23:56] =D [23:56] haha im fine. [23:57] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:57] you can even try different linux distributions while keeping the same /home if you want [23:57] dios_mio (n=freelove@88.241.142.91) joined ##slackware. [23:57] how do you see your X log? [23:58] LOL [23:58] not @dios [23:58] yeah, test34 i've odne that [23:58] done* [23:58] dios_mio: "cat" "less" "more" "most" "vi" "vim" "joe "jed" <-- take care your pic. [23:58] dios_mio, /var/log/ [23:58] pico ! [23:58] s/care//. [23:58] thanks [23:58] obviously I can't type tonight. [23:58] emacs! :) [23:59] :| [23:59] BP{k}, what about tail [23:59] vim [23:59] test34: could work ;) [23:59] dartmouth: you can remove your foot now; it's okay. [23:59] google got its buttons bigger for stoopid people [00:00] --- Sat Sep 12 2009