[00:00] xtrender: i use xwmconfig [00:00] amen girlfriend. this is the best [00:00] oops session manager [00:01] :) startx [00:01] experimenting is where it's at. chmod as i suggested and you'll boot with xdm [00:01] when i had archlinux i was using slim.. [00:02] you can add slim to slack easily enough [00:02] Action: wario loves slim. [00:02] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/slim [00:03] do you know sbopkg? [00:03] i know of it, i do not use it. [00:03] hmmm ok. [00:05] sbopkg <3 [00:05] anyways, you never said anything, did my help get you with an X listening on 6000? [00:05] not yet. [00:05] i must comment that out and restart X right? [00:06] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:06] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: judge more. it's only irc. [00:07] yep [00:07] brb [00:07] xtrender (1000@95.69.93.200) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:07] :) next lession should be screen [00:07] s/lession/lesson/ [00:07] lesion [00:08] :o [00:08] heh [00:08] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [00:10] xtrender (1000@95.69.93.200) joined ##slackware. [00:10] 6000/tcp open X11 [00:10] :) [00:12] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-218.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:14] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-218.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] but it will deny all hosts execept those i allow with xhost+ right? [00:14] now you need to read some docs on X forwarding [00:14] yeah. [00:14] i will do that. [00:14] thank you guys. [00:15] its 05.am here.. [00:15] but yes, xhost is your freidn [00:15] run xhost to see the list. "xhost -" alone sets access control, with all deny. "xhost +" alone unsets access control, all allowed. [00:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-120.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:15] xtrender: wow, awesome, you have all day to keep tinkering! :3 [00:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-90.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:16] no.. i have to go to bed now. [00:16] i have classes at 11am. [00:16] sleep is for ubuntu users [00:17] yes i know. [00:17] and arch users [00:17] :3 [00:17] im here right? at 5:15 [00:17] xD [00:17] arch is not that bad. [00:17] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.239.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:17] xtrender: wuss. [00:17] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [00:17] if you aren't on a 48 hour jolt cola binge, the problem isn't hard enough. [00:17] xtrender: I dare you to make it past 0700 [00:17] it is my second favorited distro [00:18] eviljames: try being awake after 75 hours :) IRC becomes wholly surreal ;) [00:18] my highscore is about to 48h awake. [00:19] xD [00:19] BP{k}: sounds like when I IRC after 7 days of meth [00:19] err... [00:19] Action: eviljames has reached the Ballmer peak [00:19] eviljames: i told you to stop hanging out with my mom... god damn it! [00:19] TriniTuX_ (~clayton@cuscon123536.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [00:22] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon152881.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:22] 75 hours awake sounds like torture [00:24] wtf, i've only gone 3 days on meth. you got me beat [00:25] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [00:25] o_o [00:25] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:26] yeah, i had to stop. I thought my heart was gonna explode. [00:26] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:27] j/k :0) [00:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.239.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:28] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] n0w0nd3r__ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:30] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:31] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [00:31] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:32] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:33] I'm having an issue, I was goning to install slackware. but as it is I'm not sure what package I want (http://www.slackware.com/install/softwaresets.php) [00:33] can anyone help [00:33] ? [00:33] Dolp: why not just download an iso? [00:35] Dolp, hmm - that's an old listing - the GNOME package set was dropped a long time ago [00:35] Yeah, raela I'll do that [00:35] The info on that page is very outdated [00:35] Heh, they need to work on it more. [00:36] XGizzmo, it's a php script, so it must be listing something else [00:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:36] Dolp: depends on your system needs though it's usually okay to install the full dvd for a desktop machine. [00:37] One more question, I'm using a computer that is an AMD64 so..I have and always be confused about the intel vs amd thing, so any ideas what one I need? [00:37] currently, a full desktop setup would be all of the packages on that list EXCEPT gnome [00:37] you can slim down by using xfce instead of kde though, or even fluxbox [00:37] Dolp, they both do 64-bit and slackware works fine with both. the one you want is Slackware64-13.0 [00:38] alisonken1noc where can that be found? [00:38] Dolp: just know that to install certain programs only available as 32bit you will need multilib which is not included in slackware64 [00:38] Dolp, I'm going to pm you [00:38] okay. [00:38] "a/s/l" [00:38] wario, how bad is the compatability loss? [00:38] better yet - try http://slackware.dreamhost.com/ [00:39] 45/m/mushroom kingdom [00:39] never mind the pm [00:39] wario: heh :) [00:39] look under slackware/iso [00:39] k [00:39] the one you want is slackware/iso/slackware64-13.0-dvd.iso [00:39] i'm actually 27. heheh [00:40] alisonken1noc, that was shameless :P [00:40] heh [00:40] Dolp: you will find out. ;) [00:40] well, time to get it out I guess, it's been working ok for a while now [00:40] wario okay [00:41] wario, thats like sending a man into a feild and telling him there are mines, but not where [00:41] :p but i guess you beleive in tough love [00:41] send your dogs in first [00:41] Dolp, once you install it, get http://www.sbopkg.org/ [00:43] if there is a gcc compiler for it, there is probably a g++ compiler for it [00:43] ack, wrong window [00:43] ^hah [00:44] and perhapsget http://www.slackpkg.org/ [00:44] =) [00:44] xtrender, slackpkg is part of base slackware now [00:44] no need to d/l it [00:44] okee dokee [00:45] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:45] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [00:45] rly ? great. [00:46] slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.80.2-noarch-3.tgz [00:46] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-90.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:46] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-81.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:51] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:53] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:56] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:58] xtrender (1000@95.69.93.200) left ##slackware. [01:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:04] Okay, I'm dling slackware now. I'm going to get http://www.sbopkg.org/ anything else i need? [01:04] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:04] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Changing host [01:04] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:05] depends on your video card, but that should be a start [01:06] video card? thats the same as a graphics card, right? [01:06] newslacker (kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [01:06] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:11] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Dolp: yes, video card == graphics card [01:13] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [01:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:15] actually, it would be the video chipset - a lot of video cards from different mfgr's use the same chipset - like nvidia chips [01:19] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-187.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:20] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-81.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:20] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:20] FSF (~darwin@75.Red-88-17-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] FSF (darwin@75.Red-88-17-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware. [01:21] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-182-10.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:21] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-182-10.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] jeagone (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [01:25] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-182-10.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:25] any of you guys use rsnapshot with weekly intervals? [01:27] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:28] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [01:29] not me...forgot about that program [01:29] Action: fhobia uses rsync...is that related ? [01:30] it uses rsync [01:31] yea, it uses rsync with hardlinks to preserve space [01:31] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:33] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.92) joined ##slackware. [01:33] what's the program that helps handle slackbuilds dependencies again? [01:33] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:33] slapt-get? [01:34] umm, your brain? :) [01:34] it's called stuart_ [01:34] haha [01:34] sometimes it gets called brian [01:35] i really forgot the name, it helps with the dependencies whenever you select it from a text menu [01:35] sbopkg is a tool to help interact with slackbuilds [01:36] i was going to say sbopkg but I don't think it does any dep resolution or the like [01:36] no, but you can order your builds [01:36] keep things straightened out with it [01:36] oh yeah sbopkg [01:36] thats it [01:37] whois [01:37] grr... whoami [01:37] who mom likes [01:38] Action: jkwood decides that it's past his bedtime [01:42] no officially sanctioned slackware programs handle dependencies - that's what the admin is supposed to have a brain for [01:46] slapt-get brain [01:52] daidoji (~daidoji70@adsl-99-157-72-189.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: [01:52] which package does the clear command come in? [01:53] ncurses [01:53] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-4.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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D: [02:47] my guess would be that it would if you don't have anything hardcoded in an xorg.conf or something [02:47] if that failed then i'd try to use xrandr to set it [02:47] Yeah I meant that, do I have to reconf xorg? D: [02:48] I want to get this monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005150 [02:48] What do you think fhobia? [02:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [02:48] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:48] :) i guess you just need to check whether your card will support the resolution that that monitor wants [02:49] rhisa, if you don't have a hardcoded display resolution in xorg.conf, X will pick up whatever you feed to him. [02:49] s/him/it/ :) [02:49] i thought X was a woman :( [02:49] 8))) [02:49] s/it/she/ [02:49] s/she/her/ damn [02:50] Oh. [02:50] lol [02:50] <3 Alright guys. [02:50] I have a 9600 GT X I believe. [02:51] Alright alright. [02:53] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:53] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] mornin [02:54] I love your books, Mr Tzu. [02:54] so i just learned that seamonkey is written in javascript? [02:54] tyvm [02:54] i don't think so... [02:54] because? [02:54] ... [02:55] i'm pretty sure its written in C or C++ ? [02:55] seamonkey = mozilla browser ? [02:55] well, i'm sure that there is some glue but it's predom.ly js [02:55] yes moz [02:55] moz family member [02:55] i have an old laptop i wanna screw around with installing from source, so i'm trying pidgin, but where do i find pidgin's dependencies? can't seem to google em [02:55] SunTzu, pride. [02:56] just like emacs is writ in lisp and there's some glue. [02:56] SunTzu, I am Chinese too. :) [02:56] Is there any krb5 implementation packaged for slack? [02:56] SunTzu, SeaMonkey is written in C. [02:56] rhisa external only pls [02:56] External? [02:56] yeah, i really don't think its written in JS, but i've never looked at the source code :P [02:56] rhisa pride that focuses on what your child accomplishes instead of what you acomplush [02:56] fhobia ok [02:56] stuart_, like a lot of things, start compiling and see where it complains [02:56] peek it [02:56] stuart_: when you try to build it the compiler will complain about the exact shared objects it fails to link to [02:57] alisonken1home, Coke, k thanks [02:58] Slackware had MIT kerberos in previous versions, but I cannot find any package named *kerb* or *krb* or anything like it [02:58] rhisa (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:59] http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/chrome/src/ [02:59] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/krb5/ [02:59] there is some C++ [02:59] lol [02:59] slava_dp: weird, I mirrored the repos and don't have the network dir [03:00] also http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/heimdal/ [03:00] hmm. I'm on 64-bits here. [03:00] Perhaps that packages has not yet been ported. [03:00] Action: slava_dp too [03:00] Whats that "repository" dir then? Some community non-verified ? [03:00] Coke, slackbuilds (with _very_ few exceptions) are usually fine [03:00] Coke, visit the link, will you?\ [03:01] Ooooh! [03:01] That's nice. [03:02] gstreamer dependency = gst-python? [03:02] I take it that most slackware users (and contributors) are as pedantic as they seem. :) Should fit me good. [03:02] Coke, if you aren't yet into SBo, read the howto and get sbopkg too. [03:02] stuart_: what is "gstreamer dependency". how do you know it's a dep? [03:02] http://www.sbopkg.org [03:03] stuart_: if the linker complains about not finding libgst.so no Python package will work [03:03] Coke, because i was ./config'ing and it said install gstreamer and farsight dependencies first [03:03] stuart_: if your python program says "ImportError: module not found 'gstreamer'" you need the python package [03:03] stuart_: is it a python project? [03:03] Coke, pidgin [03:03] stuart_: is it a python project? [03:03] pidgin is not a python project that I know of [03:04] Coke, i don't think so [03:04] Ok, so there's no need for the Python bindings of gststreamer [03:04] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:04] gstreamer on slackware ? [03:04] so does that mean it's referring to gst-plugins then? cos there seems to be no gstreamer in slackbuilds [03:04] trhodes, i think its for video/sound on pidgin [03:04] stuart_, ./configure --help, see --disable-* flags [03:04] yeah, there is no gstreamer on slack [03:04] or --without-* [03:04] Just build it from source. [03:05] oic, disable then.. k gimme a sec [03:05] *at least, not without gnome) [03:05] gstreamer *is* in slack in fact. [03:05] It should be. The new Qt multimedia stuff uses it [03:05] Coke, yup i am building from source on my old machine just to learn [03:05] well hell, I dunno what's going on here. I'll be back tomorrow to grind away at this [03:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:06] stuart_, you might want to grab the pidgin.SlackBuild from the slackware source and adapt that to your needs. [03:06] Anyway, gstreamer is pretty awesome actually, I can totally dig why Qt (and consequently KDE) would use it as a default backend. [03:06] rebuilding pidgin for some reason? [03:06] slava_dp: ahh ok, good to know [03:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:06] alisonken1noc, nah just installing the newer version [03:06] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:07] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [03:07] Is sbopkg part of slack 13? [03:07] slava_dp, trying to get used to the most basic form of compiling before i go to reading slackbuild scripts lol [03:07] i don't care if i screw up that machien anyways [03:07] Hm. Guess not. [03:07] Coke, not yet [03:07] alisonken1noc: looks good enough to be there fo shizzle [03:08] stuart_, the dev version of pidgin? the main page shows that the one in slackware is current [03:08] Coke, it's semificial, in the same way as slackbuilds.org is. [03:08] Coke, that's up to pat :) [03:08] heh, i thought phonon was the kde analog to gstreamer :P [03:08] alisonken1noc, mine is 2.5.9 default, 2.6.6 is on pidgin.im [03:08] trhodes: phonon uses gstreamer [03:09] not so much about pidgin than just learning compiling though [03:09] well, on linux anyway [03:09] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] stuart_, ok - wonder if it's because I'm playing with 64-current, but slackpkg pidgin shows 2.6.6 is available [03:10] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [03:11] bash-3.1$ pidgin --version => Pidgin 2.6.6 (libpurple 2.6.6) [03:12] [ installed ] - pidgin-2.6.6-i486-1_slack13.0 [03:12] thats on 13.0 [03:12] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457] [03:13] stuart_, which version of slackware are you using? [03:13] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [03:14] Pat had slackpkg in extra/ for several releases before moving it to the main tree. he's pretty careful wrt to his own developers :) [03:14] I'm using installpkg [03:14] and just browsing the mirrored directories locally to search for packages [03:14] (or reading the packages file) [03:14] Coke, slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all && slackpkg install-new [03:15] fast and furious [03:15] alisonken1noc, 13 [03:15] 32-current [03:15] stuart_, install the patches [03:15] slava_dp: that sounds pretty harsh [03:15] either via slackpkg or manually from the patches/ dir on a mirror [03:15] latemus (~m@209.90.93.98) joined ##slackware. [03:16] What I'd like to have is a proper way to search not only package names, but also descriptions [03:16] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [03:16] I grep PACKAGES.TXT right now [03:16] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:17] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] ok so here's a problem: [03:18] Lindsay Lohan isn't hot anymore. [03:18] We know... [03:18] i have a remote shell that i can use for website but i'm having difficulty figering out how to populate the public_html/ from my files. [03:18] slava_dp: what is "populate" ? [03:19] You mean like copying files from a skeleton dir? [03:19] Coke i watched a Selma Hayek movie last night; i fell in love with her all over again. [03:19] slava_dp, do i install the patches with the commands you gave Coke? [03:19] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:19] Coke to populate; to POPULATE :) [03:19] stuart_, yes, precisely. [03:19] dont ask me to define it [03:19] it's too early [03:19] SunTzu: well, if you don't even know how what it's supposed to do it'll be difficult to answer your question [03:19] SunTzu, man scp, man sftp [03:20] ok slava [03:20] SunTzu: search:homepage at sf.net and freshmeat.net? [03:20] tha'ts what i neede [03:20] +d [03:20] ok gnubien [03:20] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-241.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:20] good hints [03:20] SunTzu, if you're on kde, dolphin can also do fish:// [03:20] console mostly [03:20] ok [03:20] SunTzu: you need a index.html file as the main page then other html pages linked to index.html [03:20] oldskool [03:21] gnubien that i know; i'm just not a ssh'er [03:21] So, here's a question: how come this sbopkg isn't adapted to also include prebuilt packages from the main repos? Or maybe it is? [03:21] lftp can also do fish:// [03:21] ok [03:21] gnubien i'm setting up a wikiW [03:21] It's definately closer to the convenient package management I'm used to with archlinux and debian, but without being a dick about it, if you know what I mean. :) [03:21] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:21] Coke, slackpkg is for the official tree, sbopkg is for SBo. [03:21] SunTzu: maybe ask in #ssh how to upload the .html files [03:22] gnubien nah, these hints from y'all are good. [03:22] "/usr/sbin/sbopkg: line 4307: clear: command not found" [03:22] ./bin/clear [03:22] or comment it out [03:22] SunTzu: ok, netsearch for ssh cheatsheet [03:22] clear is from ncurses, which is in a/ [03:22] ok [03:23] /var/log/packages/ncurses-5.7-x86_64-2:usr/bin/clear [03:23] john_bristol (~john@host-84-9-48-218.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [03:23] pkgtools is afaik the only reason ncurses is in a/ [03:23] trhodes: and, of course, setup [03:23] trhodes: but I wouldnt be able to see the UI unless ncurses was installed [03:23] night all [03:24] i think aaa_base has a shared ncurses lib for that [03:25] mayhaps [03:25] trhodes: Ok, installing ncurses now anyway [03:25] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-49-146.dslgb.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:25] what's the porpose of ssh-keygen asking for a passphrase? [03:26] if you want your public key to have a passphrase in order to verify it's you using it [03:26] ah [03:26] or private key, not sure which [03:27] heh ranmdom art in ascii [03:27] that's funi [03:27] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:28] Is there an easy way to install all packages in d ? [03:28] you have the mirror ? [03:28] Coke installpkg *.xz [03:28] trhodes: rsynced just this morning [03:28] Coke, cd d/; ./install_packages [03:28] for 13 [03:28] I only have txz files [03:29] there is a script for every category [03:29] ok, cirrect the extens [03:29] cor* [03:29] Hmm. pkgtool can install from the dir [03:30] yes [03:30] yah. you can also untar them to / lol. slackware has many ways. [03:30] Coke, slackware 13 changed the compression from gzip to something else, that's why the txz extension [03:30] a few are still gzip though [03:31] i think i'll stay on 12.2 for that reason alone :) [03:31] slava_dp: that script worked like a charm [03:31] why? the txz compression actually does smaller packages [03:31] SunTzu, xz is awesome. [03:31] to be arbortrary [03:31] xz is solid [03:31] ok ty. [03:31] Slackware is mystical. Scripts there and there, hehe [03:31] script schmipt; use mc. [03:32] I thought the t was for tar, x for some archive and z for gzip? [03:32] t idicates tar [03:32] like tgz and tbz2 [03:32] bz gz xz are all compression [03:32] CodeBlock, t=tar xz=xz [03:32] whoops, Coke ^ [03:33] t=tar archive, xz=xz compression gz=gzip compression [03:33] I just installed all packages in d and it still complains there's no gcc? Wtf [03:34] gcc is in the path [03:34] Coke, what slackware version (32-bit/64-bit) did you install, and what repository (slackware/slackware64) are you installing packages from [03:36] where's the config.log file ? [03:36] network/krb5 [03:36] The configure script fails on gcc test [03:36] /tmp/SBo//config.log for SBo packages [03:37] /usr/libexec/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/cc1: error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [03:38] Nick change: e01|sleep -> e01 [03:38] Coke, that's the penalty for not doing a full install. [03:38] what's a full install? [03:38] a full install of slackware. [03:38] i could wish that sbopkg has a -tmp path option [03:38] yeah, but surely you're not suggesting I install everything in the slack repos? [03:38] or confile option [03:39] Coke, it is only 4.5 gigs. [03:39] bc /tmp is a usually highly limited location [03:39] like every package, even the 95% that I don't need [03:39] install mpfr [03:39] slava_dp: that's absolutely insane [03:39] yeah [03:39] Coke, it's the way it is done here. [03:39] SunTzu, actually, look in /etc/sbopkg/sbopkg.conf - I use that already to point sbopkg and sbopkg temp directory to somewhere else [03:39] ok [03:39] s/here/in the slack land/ [03:39] slava_dp: still insane [03:39] this isn't a distro that has stuff like -dev packages [03:39] has sbo/12.2 changed in the last 3mon? [03:39] trhodes: neither does archlinux [03:40] SunTzu, sbo 12.2 will never change [03:40] k [03:40] trhodes: but that's besides the point, why should I spend even one second or 1k on package I will never ever use? [03:40] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:40] SunTzu, check the changelog - it would say if there's changes [03:40] ok [03:40] Coke, because if you don't you'll run into unsatisfied deps all the time :) [03:41] Coke, until you check dependencies on programs you want, how will you know you never use them? [03:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:41] slava_dp: enter proper package management :) [03:41] enter a one man distro [03:41] alisonken1noc: I'd rather go through the deps manually [03:42] that's really what it is [03:42] Coke, then you may want to either roll your own or use a distro that does things for you - including breakage [03:42] alisonken1noc: I bought the walnut creek cd's a couple of times back in the 90's [03:42] I d/l the 22 floppies needed for sls :) [03:43] Q: cam multiple *.mpg clips be concated together and still be playable? [03:43] I don't mind the manual work [03:43] I'd rather do it myself and know it's right [03:43] SunTzu: sort of [03:43] SunTzu, not that I'm aware of - you have to run a program that will combine them [03:43] omg Coke is a meerkin! :) [03:43] SunTzu, not really. grab a video editor and stitch them together. [03:43] ty [03:43] do any of you guys use checkinstall? [03:43] testing :) [03:43] SunTzu: it's not the correct way to do it, but some players will accept your erronous mpg streams [03:43] stuart_: src2pkg [03:43] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:43] stuart_, there is slacktrack in extra [03:44] that too [03:44] although I don't use any of these tools [03:44] SunTzu: ffmpeg and similar tools should cover your needs [03:44] ok; test succeded successfulllttt [03:44] s/[t]+/y/g [03:45] mmm, i like how src2pkg sounds [03:46] omgztoolmakesaslackwarepackageforyouautomagicallywith0configuration ? :) [03:46] lol [03:46] haha [03:46] not sure about it :) [03:46] no, but it helps [03:46] i hate autotools [03:46] i like autotools. let's fight. [03:47] ok [03:47] if you don't know how to package software, then src2pkg is another layer of confusion and breakage [03:47] they suck [03:47] (obligatory ad hom response) [03:47] lol [03:47] you suck (also obligatory) [03:47] go kill yourself [03:47] 1. the setup code contaminates pristine source. [03:47] the macros [03:47] meh :) lol [03:47] heh [03:48] it's not actually portable across plats [03:48] that's 2. * [03:48] bc of include file diffeences [03:48] s/ee/ere/ [03:49] awaiting your response [03:49] autotools = autoconf automake? [03:49] yep [03:49] yes and more [03:49] Well, I wouldn't use those with pliars [03:50] 3. i think it's lazy for coders to use auto* instead of just writing good code [03:50] As with many original GNU-tools, they some to thrive on making stuff as complex as possible [03:50] slava_dp do you resign? :) [03:50] I ain't gonna bother with this. I don't actually care what build system an app uses. [03:50] lol [03:50] coward! :) [03:50] YES! [03:50] To this day I have found absolutely NO consistancy or coherency in how automake, latex or emacs works. [03:50] as long as I can script it [03:50] heh [03:50] ok [03:51] SunTzu: I've found that cmake, while a bit heavy in starting up, is a great replacement for autocrap [03:51] i'mnot tryin to be an apologist for non-autotooling, i just wish there were an deautoconf script available. [03:51] Coke ok [03:52] slava_dp would you critique my 3 points above pls? what do you think of them? [03:52] SunTzu: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake#Converters_from_other_buildsystems_to_CMake [03:52] ty [03:53] cmake was not made by one bearded man who's english is as incoherent as his designs and idioms [03:53] Action: Coke slam! [03:53] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: "When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable" [03:55] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.126.166) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:56] Does KDM kinit and kauth properly for a TGT? [03:58] ? [03:58] I could use klogin, but for some reason I want a fancy schmancy login for the terminal users [03:58] something better than fortune? :) [03:59] actually, i want kinit only [03:59] Coke, http://qingy.sourceforge.net/ [03:59] slava_dp: no good, X will start anyway [04:00] what do you want? [04:00] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426763.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:00] well, kinit is the initializing service for the K-desktop environment :) [04:00] john_dee (~id@93-81-2-31.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426763.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:01] greetings :) [04:04] hi [04:06] Weird, I just installed krb5 using sbopkg, but no kerberos commands are installed in /usr/bin [04:06] alisonken1noc: no, kinit is for kerberos :) [04:06] tar tf krb5* to see the pathnames [04:07] Coke, well, learn something new everyday [04:08] typically if it's not part of kde then k* without something expanding on it means kde [04:08] like kerbinit [04:08] SunTzu: is it the gz or the txz? [04:08] alisonken1noc: no, it's kinit and kauth since forver [04:08] anyone here uses/used tiling wm? [04:08] KDE is like ten years younger [04:08] Coke, if you have 13, then it doesn't matter, tar will autodetect [04:08] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.71) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:08] alisonken1noc: I can't find the damn package [04:08] lw0x15: I did use most of them [04:08] all I find is krb5.tar.gz and it contains no binaries and no source code [04:09] that's not a slackware package [04:09] surrounder: you liked it? [04:09] Coke, less /var/log/packages/krb5* [04:09] anything with tar.* is probably from somewhere else [04:09] lw0x15: love it [04:09] it's found under /var/lib/sbopkg/SBo/13.0/network/ [04:09] surrounder: what do you use now [04:09] where else would I look? [04:09] lw0x15: windows 7 at home and openbox at work [04:09] ok - sbopkg is the slackbuilds for the sources to slackware package [04:09] lw0x15: want to give dwm a try @ work though (dual monitor) [04:10] Coke, and the package is in /tmp [04:10] Coke i think that's a src pkg [04:10] surrounder: been using fluxbox for a while now, was looking to switch to tiling [04:10] Hm, maybe the build went wrong and sbopkg doesnt tell me about it [04:10] ./usr/src [04:10] or tar tf krb5.tar.gz |less [04:10] lw0x15: well, you can always give it a shot of course, get's a little used to but it's really nice to work with [04:10] SunTzu: it contains no sources and no binaries [04:11] to see paths, then find files broken out [04:11] what's in it? [04:11] surrounder: is it hard to set up [04:11] just some scripts [04:11] lw0x15: no [04:11] lw0x15: I'm happy with the defaults on at least xmonad, awesome and dwm [04:12] coke then that's wrong pkg; [04:12] How many packages is involved just to get krb5 installed? [04:12] lw0x15: configuration is different on each of them of course (dwm you configure by just editting the source file in C), xmonad can be configured through haskell and awesome I dunno anymore since they like to throw stuff around [04:12] I thought it was just one package [04:12] 1 [04:12] should be 1 [04:12] Yeah. [04:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:12] or find source tarball and make it [04:12] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-112.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:12] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [04:13] Morn [04:13] moan [04:13] bbs [04:14] It says krb5 is installed, still no binaries [04:14] Package krb5-1.7-x86_64-2_SBo upgraded with new package /tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/krb5-1.7-x86_64-2_SBo.tgz [04:14] Only, there is no /tmp/sbopkg/* [04:15] it's empty [04:15] Ahhh! [04:15] Weird. It puts it all in /usr/kerberos/bin [04:16] Coke, less /var/log/packages/krb5* [04:16] I still cannot find that tgz file anywhere, but I found /tmp/SBo/package-krb5/ which seems to contain the dir structure [04:17] hmm - that may indicate an issue with the slackbuild or the kerberos config since BINDIR=/usr should be set [04:17] This file /tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/krb5-1.7-x86_64-2_SBo.tgz does not exist [04:17] coke - the *.txz file? [04:17] I find no package file at all. It's MIA [04:17] 12.2 was the last version that created tgz files [04:17] ok, whatever they are called [04:18] There's no package file, but the package is installed [04:18] If one is signed into gmail, on classic home, are my search queries associated, you think, by google with that gmail account? [04:18] ok - try "cat /var/log/packages/krb501.7*" and see what it shows [04:18] alisonken1noc: btw, many people DO put kerberos binaries up like that [04:19] "cat /var/log/packages/krb5-1.7*" [04:19] alisonken1noc: it's using the tgz file that does not exist any more [04:19] PACKAGE LOCATION: /tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/krb5-1.7-x86_64-2_SBo.tgz [04:19] non-existing [04:19] surrounder: awesome looked like a hassle to get working on slack, and xmonad seems nice, but i know 0 haskell lol [04:20] morning guys o/ [04:20] Coke, hmmm - and you used krb5-1.7* ? [04:20] yeah [04:20] alisonken1noc: I dont see any other versions [04:21] Well, kerberos installed properly anyway. [04:22] It also adds profile.d/kerberos.sh which neetly adds the path if you're patient enough to relog your shell [04:22] phrag: morn [04:22] phreak_ (~user@pool-71-249-19-19.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] But the missing and highly mystical way sbopkg handles stuff makes me doubt I'll continue to use it [04:22] Coke: theF? Mystical? [04:22] Coke: its a frigging bash script with ncurses [04:22] I have two directories in /tmp [04:23] and it works perfectly [04:23] Whatever. [04:23] If *you* can't work it, that's not its fault. [04:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-112.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:23] I've never had any problems with sbopkg [04:23] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-183.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:23] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [04:23] What is the purpose of /tmp/SBo and /tmp/sbopkg ? [04:24] And where does my final package end up? [04:24] Coke, them's build space. they end up in /tmp [04:24] Coke: your package ends up in wherever you set the output dir.. by default thats /tmp [04:24] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:24] None of those reponses answer my questions [04:24] /tmp/SBo is where the actual building takes place [04:24] /tmp/sbopkg is for sbopkg itself to have temporary space while doing its thing [04:25] 2/3. :) Where does the package finally end up then? [04:25] /tmp [04:25] 09:23:32 < Zordrak> Coke: your package ends up in wherever you set the output dir.. by default thats /tmp [04:25] in /var/log/packages [04:25] phreak_: no [04:25] phreak_: no [04:26] It points to a different file [04:26] That's what made the problem for me. [04:26] Zordrak: thank you! [04:26] Coke: np. [04:26] lol I told you the package is in /tmp two times. [04:26] Someone told me to look at the FAULTY logs [04:26] that threw me off [04:27] all my installed packages end up in /var/log/packages once installed [04:27] phreak_: no [04:27] phreak_: no. they dont [04:27] phreak_: thats a LOG of the installed packages [04:27] phreak_, these are only install logs [04:27] thats what i thought he was referring to [04:27] my fault [04:27] no [04:27] Zordrak: perhaps you can answer a final question, how do I change the default destination for the packages? [04:28] /etc/sbopkg/sbopkg.conf [04:28] Thanks a bunch! [04:28] like any other application [04:29] So, change export OUTPUT=${OUTPUT:-/tmp} to something like export OUTPUT=${OUTPUT:-/my_packages} ? [04:30] ah, nevermind [04:30] yes.. or alternatively run sbopkg like this: # OUTPUT=/my_foo sbopkg [04:30] Zordrak: found the man file [04:30] indeed [04:31] Coke: Dare i suggest now my previous comments about sbopkg working perfectly were spot on. [04:31] Zordrak: "perfectly" does not apply here for me, personally [04:31] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:32] sbopkg == cuprinol [04:32] But yes, just like a nutshot is crude, it does work [04:32] I'm off to lunch, thanks a bunch again for the help! [04:33] ugh. No matter how many times I wash my hands, they still feel nasty [04:33] why ? [04:33] just cleaned 8+ years worth of dust and gunk out of the vents of my laptop [04:33] runs much cooler now, but I had to *touch* that disgusting crap [04:34] phreak_ (~user@pool-71-249-19-19.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: phreak_ [04:35] obviously you haven't dealt with baby diapers :) [04:35] nope [04:36] once you have, you won't complain about a little crud puppy in computers [04:36] but babies are alive, nothing that comes out of them can be as poisonous as this stuff (which was at least partly nicotine/tar from when I used to smoke in the same room as the computers) [04:37] heh, that stuff is mostly dead skin, much of it yours [04:37] yeah, that too [04:37] trust me - baby diapers can be a _lot_ more than you think [04:37] the cigarette gunk was acting like glue, holding it all together, plugging the vent [04:38] eh, well, I'm apparently too old & creepy for anyone to trust me with their baby [04:38] baby diapers: its not just the look, its also the smell ;) [04:38] stuart_ (stuart@124.13.49.92) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:38] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.92) joined ##slackware. [04:38] too bad you didnt smoke weed, that sounds like a pretty sick nug [04:39] eww [04:39] hm, smoking resin + dead skin + dust... not that desperate to get high [04:40] Dead skin aint bad. [04:40] for smoking? [04:40] Yes,. [04:41] guess I can be glad I never got in the habit of using the laptop outdoors, or I'd be cleaning bright yellow pine-pollen out of it too [04:41] my car's so covered in that crap, some girl saw it and went "that car looks like it has leprosy" [04:41] Seasonal? [04:42] yeah [04:42] started a week ago, will be gone in another week or 2 [04:43] meanwhile I'd have to spend $4/day on a car wash to keep it from looking leprous [04:43] (thankfully I don't care what it looks like) [04:44] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Urchlay, what did the Zen-Buddhist say to the hotdog vendor? [04:46] http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/7260.htm ? [04:46] sorry :P [04:46] byteframe: "make me one with everything" probably [04:47] video killed the radio star like google killed irc jokes [04:47] nah, I didn't follow your link, I remember that joke [04:47] I didnt know there was an expanded one, so it's all good. [04:48] hm, I didn't know the rest of it either [04:49] ok, somewhat slack-related thing... is there a way to make "top" show the CPU temp? (or a way to make it run any arbitrary command and display the results, every time it refreshes?) [04:49] watch [04:50] yeah, I know how to use watch [04:50] watch cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/[st]* # is what I do [04:50] I wanted actual top... as in, I want to see all the info top provides, plus the CPU temp [04:51] what I'm actually running right now: watch "uptime ; acpitool -t | grep -i therm" [04:51] Urchlay, a split-screen screen perhaps? :) [04:51] which at least shows the load average [04:51] slava_dp: bleah [04:51] yeah, that correlation would be nice to see [04:52] I was just thinking top ought to have a way for the admin to define some external command to be run, and its result displayed [04:53] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:53] you could do this maybe: watch "acpitool -t ; top -bn1 | head -20" [04:54] replace the -20 with your terminal height minus a few lines [04:55] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-183.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:56] now for a further question... why is my load average above 2, while top reports 10% idle CPU time? [04:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-135.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:56] do you have any processes with stale NFS handles ? [04:56] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:56] (an opengl-using game is running, I dunno how/if hardware 3d accel affects load avg) [04:57] no, there's a mounted NFS share but no processes using it [04:57] eh, or maybe something *is* using it: umount.nfs: /mnt/monolith: device is busy [04:58] but "fuser -m /mnt/monolith" finds no processes... hm. [04:58] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:58] i've gotten EBUSY before, trying to umount shares that had been used previously [04:59] this box was just booted 40 minutes ago, I logged in, ran startx, and fired up a game [04:59] then ssh'ed in from another machine to watch the CPU temp [05:00] processes waiting for I/O should show as type "D" in ps [05:00] yeah, I know... but there aren't any [05:01] nothing I've done since booting would cause anything to use the nfs mount anyway (unless some stray cronjob does something I forgot about) [05:01] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [05:02] hm. updatedb is running. Wonder if I've misconfigured it so it operates on nfs mounts. Ugh. [05:04] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] eh, /etc/updatedb.conf lists /mnt in PRUNEPATHS [05:04] (which IIRC is the default anyway) [05:04] yep [05:04] so WTF's going on here... [05:04] devnix (~devriza@host-58-65-245-87.isat.net.id) joined ##slackware. [05:05] i've had this exact problem... recently [05:05] and thumbs said he might have had some more about this in his notes [05:05] i forgot to follow up on it [05:06] at least i think it's similar, you get ebusy at umount and can't find out what's actually happening [05:06] devnix (devriza@host-58-65-245-87.isat.net.id) left ##slackware. [05:06] hm, symptoms: (1) fuser can't find anything using the mount point, (2) umount refuses to umount it... and possibly (3), the load average is higher than expected (not sure what to expect with a game running, I rarely watch uptime/top/whatever while playing) [05:07] yeah, i'm not too sure what to make of the load average without a process with status D [05:07] right, I have no D-state procs [05:07] and you're not in the mount point when you try to umount it? [05:07] eh, no [05:07] fuser says no [05:07] load can go up while waiting for io - try 'iostat -x' and see what you get [05:08] I never even touched the mount point until trhodes mentioned it (and even then only by trying to umount it) [05:08] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:09] hm, not real familiar with iostat's output, it's showing 2% for iowait though [05:09] and 8% for idle [05:09] hmm, mine's 90% idle [05:09] look at device stats and correlate to iowait states [05:09] Urchlay: you are hitting hard your disks [05:10] trhodes: I still have an opengl game running (the purpose here is to see whether the game will overheat the video chip and lock the machine up again, like it did before I cleaned the vents) [05:10] Do you know where I can find 3d drivers for nvidia? [05:10] but with 2% iowait, you arent slowing down much the apps, you are still widthin limits [05:10] nvidia? [05:11] I'd suggesting using a slackbuild for the drivers: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/nvidia-driver/ [05:11] Azeotrope: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?s=nvidia [05:11] higuita: well, the only app that's actually consuming CPU is the game (which presumably isn't loading anything from disk, it's just running a demo loop)... and updatedb is running, it seems to be what's doing all the disk I/O [05:12] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:13] killing off updatedb doesn't help (still can't umount the nfs share) [05:13] I didn't really think it was causing the problem anyway [05:14] oh *wait*, I'm being a *moron* [05:15] I have "monolith:/export/public on /mnt/monolith" and also "monolith:/export/public/.public2 on /mnt/monolith/.public2" [05:15] >.< [05:15] of course I can't umount /mnt/monolith unless I umount /mnt/monolith/.public2 [05:15] have you tried lsof? [05:15] yeah, it showed naught [05:16] no *process* was using the mount point (another mount point was). Chalk it up to PEBKAC. [05:17] Action: Zordrak limestones it up to PEBCAK [05:17] it's the result of me filling up the /export/public partition, so I added a disk, mounted it on .public2, moved some junk to it, and replaced it with symlinks in the old public share [05:18] cmk_zzz (~karlsson@222-153-124-172.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:18] so my clients now have to mount both shares, but if they do, everything appears in the the same place as it did when there was only one share [05:19] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] Man, installing these packages is fast. [05:20] theyd be faster if you increased the simultaneous makejobs [05:20] if and only if you actually have multiple cores/CPUs [05:20] Zordrak: hm. maybe. got a single core cpu and slow disk [05:20] kthen [05:21] How far of is slackware 13.1 from release? [05:21] cmk_zzz: twice as long as half the time left [05:21] when it's ready [05:21] (tm) [05:21] bought an old proliant server for peanuts [05:21] cmk_zzz: you might as well consult a crystal ball, or slaughter some chickens and peer at the entrails [05:22] read changelogs, too [05:22] Urchlay: cool, I call that 3 months then;) [05:22] Oh, it does have two cores. [05:22] Two whopping 1.8ghz cores, yay! [05:22] Coke: then you want 3 to 5 jobs [05:22] Coke: nice [05:22] compared to my old clunker, I mean [05:22] with slow disks id go for 5 to overcome iowait [05:22] Urchlay: my homebox has 4 i7 cores @ 3.5ghz [05:22] Urchlay: I could probably run this slack install in virtualbox and still get better performance [05:23] yeah, my old clunker used to be considered pretty nice, but it's getting long in the tooth [05:23] Urchlay: ain't that the deal every 3-4 years? [05:23] amd64, 1.8GHz, 2G of RAM. It's closer to 5 years old [05:23] Urchlay: turion? [05:23] I have the same in my workstation. [05:24] Bought it in 2004 I think [05:24] not sure which one's the turion. I quit trying to keep track of all the arbitrary weird names and stuff, once I got to where I couldn't afford any of them anyway :( [05:25] $ grep name /proc/cpuinfo [05:25] model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ [05:25] eh, i don't feel so bad :P [05:25] AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ [05:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-135.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:26] I dunno what's the difference between Athlon, Turion, Sempron, Enron, or L. Ron... [05:26] dont suppose anyone knows how to pass runtime variables to the spec file [05:27] at least L. Ron knew he was writing fiction? [05:27] phrag: what, the .spec file in a source RPM? [05:27] alisonken1noc: his followers apparently don't seem to know it... [05:27] did he? [05:27] well, not saying anything about the followers [05:27] sorry, wrong channel, but right question, want to pass runtime variable to the RPM spec file, to be evaluated on the host it's installed on [05:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:28] phrag: sorry, no clue, but at least I sort-of knew what you were talking about :) [05:28] =) [05:30] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:30] phrag, rpmbuild accepts parameters [05:31] ooh, that'll be a good place to start, thanks alienBOB =) [05:31] basically just need it to evaluation $HOSTNAME on each box [05:32] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:33] umislack (1000@58.64.91.91) joined ##slackware. [05:33] What runlevel is considered X? [05:33] 4 in Slackware Coke [05:33] 4 [05:33] sometimes 5 is also mapped [05:34] I haven't seen 5 mapped since I started using slack [05:34] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-188-5.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:35] no, other distro's [05:35] latemus (~m@209.90.93.98) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:36] Another question: is slack based on Xorg's new HAL crap? [05:36] hal is not crap. [05:36] Or do I have to disable all the auto stuff and add a proper xorg.conf, as per upstream distribution? [05:36] slava_dp: no, but Xorg's use of it is [05:36] no xorg.conf is sufficient xorg.conf. [05:37] slava_dp: well, the new xorg supposedly just starts without an xorg [05:37] that's what I was trying to communicate :) [05:37] slava_dp: what they don't tell you is that should any of the automagic fail you are stuck with either rebooting or networking your way in to kill xorg [05:37] unless you need something like nvidia binary driver and the built-in drivers work fine, then /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not needed [05:37] and I just hate automagic anyway [05:37] Coke, google reisub [05:38] the only other thing might be the udev/hal ruleset for those touch mouse thingies [05:38] If I wanted to reboot I'd use winblows [05:38] Coke: linux is tomorrows windows [05:38] alisonken1noc: I just disable that stuff as fast as possible and make sure that ctrl+alt+backspace is enabled [05:39] Coke, you only need R, then switch to a tty and kill X. it's all that easy. [05:39] cmk_zzz: yeah, it looks like it from the development I've seen over the past years in Xorg and the kernel, but I hope they come to their senses [05:39] slava_dp: yeah, every time I've done that the graphics aren't reseted properly and I have to type blind [05:39] and ctrl+alt+backspace is enabled, as long as your keyboard is recognized (as long as hal is running) [05:39] It was a problem on both my laptop and home box [05:40] slava_dp: no, the default in Xorg is to disable it [05:40] the default in slackware is to enable it. [05:41] omgosh, going against the upstream developers and their rants in the mailing list? :) [05:41] That alone makes slack MY dist [05:42] Coke, see /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi [05:44] hm. Guess if it can run an openGL app for an hour and a half, it can run it indefinitely [05:44] Urchlay: I don't see that conclusion from your tests. [05:44] Urchlay: what you testing? [05:44] Urchlay: please don't ask me to hire you as my QA guy [05:45] jfsw (shadow warrior), just because this laptop crashed last time we attempted to play a deathmatch [05:45] cmk_zzz: eh, well, it's a personal laptop, piece of junk. I'm not going to go all process-ey [05:45] Coke: It would be useful in trying to get help here to not call anything you dont like or understand "crap" [05:46] Zordrak: I absolutely think the new Xorg defaults are crap. [05:46] Coke: the nfs stuff was a total red herring, there was nothing wrong with it. The only mildly confusing thing to me, now, is that the CPU usage never got above 90% [05:47] Coke: so far, you have had a mini diatribe against sbopkg, hal and xorg.. and thats in the space of a couple of hours. Mayhaps to be a little more measured? [05:47] Urchlay: hmm, you suspect opengl? [05:47] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [05:47] yeah [05:48] Zordrak: I don't use HAL on any of my other systems for X at all [05:48] like, maybe the CPU's saying "OK, render all these polygons", and waiting for the GPU to acknowledge the command, and while it's waiting, the process is blocked [05:48] Zordrak: and I explicitly write xorg.conf's to redo the upstream defaults [05:48] Coke: Good for you(!) [05:48] so it never does reach 100% CPU because the openGL stuff counts as I/O [05:49] Zordrak: the reason I do it is because I find them both sub par for my standards. [05:49] and yes, I'm aware that's not a very complete or correct description of what's really going on [05:49] sorry for leading you astray, Urchlay :P [05:49] $ !! [05:50] Urchlay: hm. Without getting another crash it will be very difficult to say what's really wrong. [05:50] right [05:50] Coke: it used to crash like clockwork after 20 minutes of playing. This time, it ran for 90 minutes [05:50] Urchlay: typical huh :) [05:50] was still running when I exited it, no crashing [05:50] It always works when you're debugging and always fails when you're demoing. [05:51] eh, no, I actually took it apart & cleaned the clogged-up vents, so I expected different results this time [05:51] Urchlay: btw, when it comes to CPU usage it has a lot to do with how the program use OpenGL [05:51] umislack (1000@58.64.91.91) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:51] Urchlay: oh, haha! you know, I had the same problem with my 8600 and 7800 [05:51] Urchlay: I vacuumed the GPU fans and then the machien stopped crashing [05:52] you mean, opengl uses more CPU when the program calls functions that aren't hardware-accelerated on the card, so have to be emulated in software? [05:52] (my small cat liked sleeping inside the computer chassi when I had the dual GPU heat producing setup) [05:52] Urchlay: no [05:52] kitty likes to stay warm... [05:52] Urchlay: there are several different methods to use the hardware through opengl [05:52] .... but the wife keeps turning the thermostat down [05:52] While most of the CPU-hogging stuff has been deprecated for 3.0, older games still use them [05:53] hm, I ain't an opengl programmer at all. I did once figure out enough about it to add a fullscreen mode to an app that was written to be windowed-only [05:54] Urchlay: that's handled by glut [05:54] (or another toolkit for windowing) [05:54] Urchlay: another big cause for crashing is that the program assumes some extension exists [05:54] it involved a bunch of xlib calls [05:54] evilazzz (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:54] yeah, I've run into the missing extension stuff before [05:54] (as a user I mean) [05:55] Wish I could help you more, but I guess you have to just play and pray [05:55] but this was definitely a hardware issue [05:55] the GPU, if you can even call it that, doesn't even have its own heatsink [05:55] it's an "ati rage mobility", which is to say, a mach64 [05:57] the mesa driver for it isn't in the regular mesa releases because it's considered insecure (also because it's a pretty crappy chip even with a perfect driver) [05:58] anyway it'll do for running 1990s stuff, which is about all the gaming I do these days (quake 1, doom 2, shadow warrior, duke nukem 3d...) [05:59] nukem looks awesome with the high res pack on 1600x1200 [05:59] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-110.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:59] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [06:00] oh yeah [06:00] sadly, the laptop won't run it at a usable framerate with the hires pack, in any resolution :( [06:00] Zordrak: those are provided by some random fan of duke, right? [06:00] yep [06:01] is there a way to install lilo over a previously GRUB'd MBR with slackware directly? [06:01] I always wondered about the copyright issues of those. [06:01] it probably falls in the "turn a blind eye" category [06:02] stuart_: yeh.. by issuing "lilo" [06:02] I mean, none of those hi-res packs for any of the games are usable without the legit data files from the original game, and most of those games, the publishers are modder-friendly (provide level editors & such) [06:03] ...and eventually, source code to the game engine [06:03] Zordrak, yea about that.. i didn't install lilo since i was gonna use GRUB to boot between both distros.. so now it says can't read lilo.conf [06:03] stuart_: then you need to make one [06:03] liloconfig can help with that [06:05] Urchlay: yeh, id does that sometimes. generally speaking though, it doesn't happen. [06:05] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:05] Still waiting for Bioware to release NWN sources. [06:06] first person shooters seem to have a better track record of having their sources released, maybe because each generation of games used to pretty much all be based on the same engine [06:07] Urchlay: afaik only Q1, Q2 and Q3 have been released. [06:08] far as the hires packs go, I don't see how they take any revenue from the game publishers (if anything, it makes them a little money: I bought a copy of duke3d last year specifically so I could play it with the HRP) [06:08] And by the looks of it, ID will never ever release anything again unless they get out of the deal with EA and bethesda. [06:08] also wolf3d and doom 1/2, if you want to look at old stuff [06:08] Urchlay: it's not about sanity or fairness. [06:09] I have no idea what the software industry is doing, but the best products out there are not the most used anyway. [06:09] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.92) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:09] well, no, it's about the bottom line. Bottom line is, they aren't losing any money, and it would cost them money to sic lawyers on the guys making the high res packs (and once they've won their lawsuit, they haven't gained anything material, because those guys aren't rich or anything) [06:10] So far I have seen nobody offer to sell me Slackware machines and after only a few days of active use I wouldn't want to run anything else. [06:10] :) [06:10] Urchlay: bioware would lose ZERO money from open sourcing NWN. nobody buys it these days, but they won't. it's just not in anybodys nature to give stuff away [06:10] yeah, I mnow [06:10] er, know [06:12] part of the problem with commercial software though, they'll outsource some of the code to some 3rd party, who would have to be involved in any attempt to open source the whole codebase [06:12] Urchlay: my government is explicitly paid by ACTA and MPAA to make sure you don't improve or change anything [06:12] the only improvement they want is in royalty payments - but not to the artists [06:12] something I was messing with not long ago was like that... quake3 punkbuster is closed source and impossible to use with open source ioquake3 [06:12] They already get that. [06:13] The problem is that they require consumers to use highly outdated technologies for distribution. [06:13] I'm still wondering if they still get the CD tax [06:13] I don't use CD's or DVD's. If I want to travel back to the 90's I'll run my SNES emulator [06:13] hehe [06:14] the tax is the cd tax that they received for the purchase of _blank_ cd's for the _possibility_ of pirating [06:14] DVDs are great for backups, if you're on a budget (well, not *great* but at least affordable and better than no backups at all) [06:14] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.92) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Urchlay: hell no. [06:14] alisonken1noc: not sure. who use CD's these day anyway? my car has USB port and bluetooth [06:14] think even a eur 10 4 GB usb stick is a better solution [06:14] Urchlay: i had SO many problems with DVD backups and CRC errors and the like [06:14] Coke, think about it though [06:14] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-177-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [06:14] I download my music directly to my phone and/or USB stick [06:15] Urchlay: i dont trust my backups to anything but disk or tape [06:15] Zordrak & Urchlay: same here. and if someone sneezes at your unprotected DVD it may be broken [06:15] what is slackware's currently official kernel version after updating thru slackpkg? [06:15] stuart_: current or 13? [06:16] disk, as in what? buy an extra hard drive, stick in external enclosure? I've been known to do that too [06:16] Zordrak, 13.. [06:16] stuart_, -current ? [06:16] stuart_: 2.6.29.6 iirc [06:16] yes [06:16] Urchlay: or backup to another location [06:16] dd your internal drive to the external, then unplug the external & store it somewhere safe [06:16] Urchlay: i have two machines with identical disks.. one backs up the other [06:16] Urchlay: ddfail [06:16] Urchlay: dd takes forever.. rsync is much more appropriate [06:17] surrounder: I bought 4 16Gb sticks for $30 each [06:17] Coke: that's nice [06:17] that's like a stack of DVD's neetly packaged, rewritable and not easily damaged [06:17] Coke: and i bet it takes 2 hours to fully write to either [06:17] actually dd doesn't take all that horribly long, if you set the blocksize to something higher than the default [06:17] kay.. [06:17] Zordrak: you are quite an optimist, I hear [06:17] Zordrak: but it is indeed faster than the 8x burner I have [06:17] Coke: not at all.. im am a mixture of a pessimist and a real/ist [06:18] I'm just a straight up cynic, hence all the bitching and whining [06:18] cynicism is fine.. but it can be done without the all-out bitching [06:19] A pessimist feels that anything that can go wrong will go wrong. A true cynic WANTS stuff to go wrong just to prove his pessimistic point of view :) [06:19] hm, wonder if the current crop of usb sticks can survive going through the washer & dryer, like my old 512MB one did once? [06:19] stuart_, 13.0 kernel is 2.6.29.6, and -current kernel is 2.6.33.1 [06:19] and therefore has no right to bitch when it doues [06:19] Urchlay: i had one that came out in pieces [06:20] Zordrak: it's a calling [06:20] had a friend who did that, it came out in pieces (but the pieces were 2 case halves + the actual device, which still worked) [06:21] mine appeared undamaged and still worked, I got all my data off it and tossed it in the junk drawer so I dunno if maybe it would have died soon after... [06:21] Urchlay: same here :) [06:21] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [06:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:24] anyway, these days, for me, backups (and everything else) have to be cheap... meaning I know there are better and more reliable solutions [06:25] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [06:25] I just have a second drive in a machine, works good enough for my own use [06:25] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:25] surrounder: awesome looked like a hassle to get working on slack, and xmonad seems nice, but i know 0 haskell lol [06:25] lw0x15: yeah you already said that [06:26] lw0x15: wmii if you like vim, functional programming is good (or god even) learn it and prosper! [06:26] surrounder: i know, thought you didnt see [06:26] ;-P [06:26] upon starting X: (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null) [06:27] lw0x15: like I also already said; I liked the defaults of all of them so for me it was no problem I didn't know haskell [06:27] the few things I wanted to change were easy anyhow [06:27] oh, didnt see that one [06:27] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:28] hm. Maybe I'm just failing to understand what the "id" CPU percentage means in top... [06:28] Cpu(s): 59.5%us, 5.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 33.4%id, 1.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st [06:28] and lower down, my process: 8298 urchlay 20 0 1636 268 220 R 94.7 0.1 1:20.50 eatcpu [06:28] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:28] idle [06:28] yeah [06:28] what about it? [06:29] but how do I have 33.4% CPU idle, if I have a process consuming 94.7% of CPU? [06:29] Urchlay: how many cpu's, how many cores? [06:29] one cpu, one core, old piece of crap [06:29] tried irix mode? [06:30] irix mode should have zero effect, according to the docs, it only applies to SMP [06:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-110.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:31] oh, I see what's going on here. I was running "watch -bn1 top"... which runs top in one-shot mode... and top's statistics are never 100% accurate when you first start it up [06:32] I was starting a new top instance every 2 seconds, which would exit after printing the initial stats (which are wrong, I knew this and forgot it) [06:33] that would be the 2nd time tonight I've done something "clever" and ended up with ID ten T error... [06:35] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:35] harjar (~oddharjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:35] harjar (~oddharjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [06:43] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:44] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-177-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Read error: No route to host [06:45] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Seems my X startup fails to load every module I specify, are they built-in to X? [06:47] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [06:47] Some are, some are not. Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. [06:50] adamk: http://pastebin.com/DDeavsYW [06:50] Heh... That's just a broken installation. [06:50] Yeah. [06:50] But why? I did . install-packages in x [06:51] That should be everything [06:51] # [06:51] (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" [06:51] ah [06:51] do you have that directory? if so, does it contain anything that looks like the modules that are failing? [06:52] Nah. I just used the xorg.conf-vesa that came with [06:52] (are you on slackware64? then it should be /usr/lib64/xorg/modules, I dunno where it's getting the wrong path from in that case) [06:52] Coke: You most likely don't even need an xorg.conf file... Assuming X is installed properly. [06:52] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [06:52] adamk: I do [06:53] adamk: running without it leaves me without keyboard and mouse [06:53] eh, you don't have /usr/lib/xorg/modules? [06:53] Are you running slackware64? [06:54] Coke: see all this trouble you are having? If you let hal give your hardware info to xorg you wouldnt be hawing the trouble [06:54] that would be a broken installation, if you're on 32-bit (the xorg-server package should have put a bunch of stuff in there) [06:54] anyway I'm too tired to make sense right now [06:54] Zordrak: Im guessing running without an xorg.conf is using HAL? [06:55] Coke: .... you said you explicitly disabled it on all your boxes... [06:55] Zordrak: it's on this box [06:55] Coke: Either you're running slackware64 and need to change your xorg.conf file to use the right ModulePath, or your Xorg installation is hosed. [06:55] Just installed everything as suggested, I need to continue working with the real installation i [06:55] That pretty much sums up the situation. [06:55] so enable it, start it, kill the xorg.conf and startx [06:56] Zordrak: that's what failing the mouse and keyboard [06:56] As HAL has always done for me on all my boxes [06:56] leaving me with no other choice than reboot [06:56] but now I've got other boxes in the network so I can kill it over ssh [06:56] Coke: then it sounds like you have a hosed installation missing the input modules you need [06:57] It's more than just input modules, based on his log file. [06:57] adamk: meh.. novor read it.. still/ my vote is 'hosed' [06:58] The modules load properly when I run without xorg.conf [06:58] it was the provided -vesa conf that used the wrong path for the modules [06:58] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.18.119) joined ##slackware. [06:58] Coke: Is this a 64-bit installation? [06:58] that has been corrected [06:58] adamk: yes [06:58] Ugh.. [06:59] Then why not just say that earlier when I asked ? :-) [06:59] adamk: because I already got pointed to the error and was busy editing [07:00] All working dandy now [07:00] I'm guessing devicekit won't be default on Slack for a while ;) [07:02] Wow. KDE had a facelift since I used it last time. [07:03] >.< [07:04] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:05] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.87.215) joined ##slackware. [07:06] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-22.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:07] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:08] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:09] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:08] and where should be the battery info file, i searched in proc but i couldnot find it [08:08] powersaving [08:08] *shrug* [08:14] one ping pls? [08:19] ? [08:20] jhw (~jhw@p579823A3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] ok tcp is dead here; cant connect to web via tcp [08:21] but i can IRC [08:21] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:21] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [08:21] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [08:23] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-23-208.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-180.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:23] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:25] how is is supposed to look when you hit the comcast 250g limit? [08:25] and how am i online here but cant web surf? elinks cant either [08:25] dns? [08:25] how is this relevant to slackware? [08:26] what's the error when you try to hit a website? [08:26] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [08:26] i'm asking smart people [08:26] no such site; and ping and traceroute both fail [08:26] SunTzu: elinks 74.125.79.106 (== google.com) [08:26] k [08:27] ok tcp is dead. dns not responding [08:27] you might have hit the limit and they now discard your new connections, but the old ones persist, like this irc one. try reconnecting :) [08:27] no names from traceroute [08:27] i'm sqeered to discon from irc [08:27] heh [08:27] no way, Jose! [08:27] hehehe [08:28] or [08:28] get oot, you hoser! [08:28] lol [08:28] this is very interesting [08:28] and my net snoopers are still only reporting upd and icmp msgs [08:28] Nick change: xchg_spi -> xchg [08:29] with a rare tcp pkt [08:29] on the same port; could this be a DoS? [08:29] ty [08:30] time? [08:30] oops [08:30] well irc pings are arriving fastly [08:31] Comcast shut me off for non-/late-payment once. 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[09:31] net yet.. just putting it in [09:32] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-28.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:32] also.. i dont think i can reasonably increase the allocsize as im dealing with millions of tiny files [09:32] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:34] no, I would probably leave the allocsize like it is, especially if you have small files, afaik it's per file so 32KB per file would be a bit bad I guess [09:34] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:34] indeed... talking millions of <1k files [09:34] I'm tempted to tell you to use reiserfs :P [09:34] source code repo? :) [09:35] Camarade_Tux: not a chance [09:35] of course, I'm not going to ;-) [09:35] heheh :-) [09:35] slava_dp: nope.. silicon chip design and simulation data [09:35] I should have checked how long some git operations take =/ [09:35] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.29.233) joined ##slackware. [09:35] reiserfs would perform awesome. but not in real life now :) [09:35] but I'm quite clearly noticing an improvement (hope it's not only placebo ;-) ) [09:36] my biggest problem with reiserfs is that reiser4 is going nowhere I can see and reiserfs seems to be abandonned now [09:36] the small files packing was interesting sadly =/ [09:36] _plasmic_ (~sibb@c-d69672d5.023-88-73746f3.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:36] Camarade_Tux, true, I regret reiserfs fate badly. [09:37] Camarade_Tux: your examples dont mention relatime [09:37] its been highly recommended to me [09:38] Zordrak: it had no impact on my benchmark but actually my benchmark never triggered access time update >< [09:38] going to benchmark it a bit, I still have a free partition available hopefully =) [09:38] indeed [09:38] tbh my biggest concern isnt the mount options as they can be changed very easily later.. my bigger concern is the fs options themselves [09:39] not much to change there [09:39] currently setting -b size=1024 -l size=128m [09:39] log size and _maybe_ external log if you have several disks [09:39] bigger logs improve perf but can also make fsck longer [09:40] Camarade_Tux: indeed.. but fsck shouldnt be too much of a concern in this setup [09:40] I was told 30k file creations per second would take 500MB/s on the log, or something like that [09:40] Camarade_Tux: its all lvm2 on drbd on hw raid6.. so the pv is basically one 3tb device [09:41] yeah, 30k creates/s -> 500MB/s in the log (not perfect measurement but shows the order of magnitude) [09:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:42] yeah.. i think im happy with a 128m log and 8 logbufs [09:43] well, I have a raid1 with an xfs partition and another disk, I put the log of the partition on raid1 on the other disk and got a pretty nice perf improvement, *HOWEVER* I had to disable write cache on the disks (not that it hurt perf that much but don't forget to do it), *OR* if you have battery-backed raid, you don't need to disable the write cache [09:43] i *could* drop the log to 64m.. but i cant quite make the leap [09:43] I'd actually maybe use a bigger log [09:43] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Camarade_Tux: i think the limit on xfs is 128m [09:45] mine is 1GB I think [09:45] allend (~allend@CPE-121-220-123-28.lnse3.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:45] whoa [09:45] heh.. for 1024 bsize, the maximum log size is 64m [09:45] log =external bsize=4096 blocks=262144, version=2 [09:47] eviljames: about xfs log sizes, know when the limit was changed? what it currently is? [09:47] oh and re: inode64, its not relevant here as the biggest fs will be no bigger than 1tb anyway [09:47] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] whats up peoples [09:48] Zordrak: I use it on my 600GB partition even there's no clear advantage: doesn't seem to be any disadvantage and maybe a small perf improvement (I don't like my stuff to be constrained anyway) [09:48] also, I think it *may* end up being a default [09:49] hi subvhome [09:49] Camarade_Tux: afaik its just about how high up the fs inodes can be stored and you need 64bit to store them past 1tb [09:50] I'm having trouble with this machine and slackware. The problem is with the xorg server. I have it configured to max resolution but when i jump in xfce4 i only get 1024x768. here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/r5VG4H87 im using Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ (intergrated) [09:51] subvhome: Have you tried adjust the resolution in xfce4's display configuration utility? [09:51] Zordrak: I was under the impression there was a bit more than that, but as I said, I also enable it because I see no disadvantage to it (a free 0.001% perf improvement may not be much but if it's free...) [09:52] adamk: yup.. max 1024x768 [09:52] im using a monitor thats capable of 1280x... [09:52] which kind of screen is it? [09:52] subvhome: Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. [09:52] samsung syncmaster 910t [09:53] It's possible that the intel driver isn't able to read the EDID from the monitor and so it's limiting your resolution to 1024x768. [09:53] adamk: http://pastebin.com/kkgGdfgp [09:53] it's not crt, weird it doesn't want to go up [09:53] adamk: ok... [09:54] adamk: i noticed in xfce it shows the resolution for screen 1 [09:54] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:54] i will be right back. im going to screen irssi [09:55] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:55] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Zordrak: think 'tar cf /dev/null folder_with_lots_of_files' is a good benchmark for {a,rela,noa}time? [09:55] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] im back [09:55] Well the X server is clearly selecting 1024x768. And it says it's "Using fuzzy aspect match for initial modes", whatever that means. [09:56] subvhome: pastebin the ouput of 'xrandr' [09:56] In any case, you can specify a modeline you want to add to the monitor and use the PreferredMode option to force the monitor to use it. [09:56] subvhome: Try this: http://pastebin.com/TGxWHgW6 [09:56] Camarade_Tux: any thoughts on relationship of log size and log buffer size? [09:57] Zordrak: don't think there's anything special [09:57] xrandr: http://pastebin.com/4ktGZhmS [09:58] Mind you, you should only force a modeline if you know it won't damage the monitor, so don't yell at me if something blows up. [09:58] hopefully, now, monitors usually refuse to try bad modelines ;-) [10:00] True. But you know never :-) [10:00] never know, rather. [10:01] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [10:01] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:02] that worked [10:03] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Yay. [10:03] i really appreciate it thanks. [10:03] You can use 'cvt' to generate other modelines, if you know of other resolutions/frequencies you'd like to add. [10:04] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:04] max is fine.. thanks [10:04] everything looks better [10:05] i really wished netflix would run under linux [10:06] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:07] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:07] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:07] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [10:10] john_dee (~id@93-81-2-31.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:11] [ (~cfdev@AMarseille-553-1-222-196.w92-153.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:13] [ (~cfdev@AMarseille-553-1-222-196.w92-153.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [10:15] mornin' slackers [10:16] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:18] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Zordrak: http://pastebin.com/UzGfmWv5 , doesn't seem to make a difference [10:19] hi akira42 [10:19] Camarade_Tux: kk [10:20] hi Camarade_Tux [10:20] Please help me get inkscape built/running. [10:20] Zordrak: have to try a few other options though [10:21] Mel-nix: do you use the SlackBuild? [10:21] allend (~allend@CPE-121-220-123-28.lnse3.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:23] Zordrak: relatime/noatime/atime/nodiratime/diratime: all the same times (< 1% diff) [10:24] akira42: Yes. [10:25] What error message do you get? [10:25] perlsyntax (~perlsynta@adsl-68-248-237-150.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] If i got 4 cpu on my pc should i go with 32bit or 64 bit? [10:26] number of cpu's does not necessarily equate to 32bit v. 64bit [10:26] akira42: I don't remember. I will have to try building it again. [10:26] don't matter i take it. [10:26] :) [10:26] Mel-nix: kk [10:26] if it's a 3-bit chip and you try to install a 64-bit o/s on it, it matters :) [10:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:26] 32-bit [10:27] however, most 64bit chips will allow a 32-bit o/s to run on it [10:27] Camarade_Tux: fnuff [10:27] i didn't know that. [10:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-90.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:27] perlsyntax: what does `cat /proc/cpuinfo` output? [10:27] for a quad-core, I'd say 64bit, would be a waste of power and I guess there's more than 1GB of ram there [10:28] where do i paste it? [10:28] pasebin ? [10:28] *pastebin [10:28] everywhere but on the channel ^ ^ [10:29] anywhere* [10:29] Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU [10:29] perlsyntax: pastebin.com [10:29] perlsyntax: what does the `clflush size` line say? [10:29] Zordrak: made a few other measurements and I see no impact on this benchmark (about 150k-200k files, takes 11s to 12s to run) [10:30] 64 [10:30] Camarade_Tux: k [10:30] so i go with 64 then:D [10:31] Camarade_Tux: i will stick with relatime for now as i think in some circumstances it can make a reasonable difference and theres no drawback to keeping it i can see [10:31] akira42,I hope i like it. [10:31] Zordrak: yeah, makes the most sense [10:31] akira42: Any ideas, suggestions? [10:32] Mel-nix: you have to tell us what the error was [10:32] Mel-nix: uhm ... did you make sure that you have installed all dependencies? [10:32] perlsyntax: 64-bit is not sooo much different than 32-bit [10:32] so 32 bit better then i take it.. [10:32] akira42: Yes, I installed all the dependencies which are mentioned in the README. [10:32] perlsyntax: but I heard asm-programming on an 64-bit machine should be fun, with all the extra registers [10:33] perlsyntax, if you install slackware, the only difference between slack and slack64 is some possible 32-bit proprietary apps*cough*skype*cough* that need extra work to get 32-bit compatibility in [10:33] i see [10:33] Mel-nix: you will have to try to recompile it and post the errormessage, otherwise I and others won't be able to help you [10:34] 64bit is faster for several workloads, you can easily get a 30% perf improvement for cpu-intensive tasks [10:34] skype is one of those nice companies that say they have a 32-bit and a 64-bit package, but if you follow it, the 64-bit package is nothing more than the 32-bit binary with 32-bit compatibility packages as dependencies [10:34] maybe i go with the 64 bit. [10:35] akira42: All right. It's being built. [10:35] 64-bit is faster, but uses more memory. [10:35] jkwood: but it can also access more memory [10:35] with 32-bit the line is drawn on 4 GB [10:36] i got 2 gb of ram on this pc. [10:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-90.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:36] on a quad-core? [10:36] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-26-181.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [10:36] akira42: Yes, but who has more than 4 gigs and doesn't know the difference between 64 bit and 32 bit? [10:36] hm .. gamer kiddies? [10:37] Doubtful. [10:37] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Is java easy to install on slackware? [10:37] actually, they know they have more than 3GB and can't really use the last one [10:37] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:37] perlsyntax: afaik java is pre-installed [10:37] perlsyntax: jre is installed [10:37] jdk is in extra/ [10:37] jkwood: maybe if someone won a computer, or someone else bought + set up :P [10:37] cool [10:37] i think i going to like slackware. [10:38] Running $ ldd /usr/bin/inkscape # shows `libMagick++.so.2' and `libMagickCore.so.2' not found. [10:38] i got a 500 hard drive [10:38] Isn't Java a dead language? From what I red on the interwebs it's more common to use a different language which runs one the JVM [10:38] I maybe have to install everything. [10:39] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: rebooting [10:39] akira42,I hear java 7 come out in sept. [10:39] raendeer: I suppose it's possible, but in general it comes down to a question of "Do you have enough memory to reap performance benefits?" 2 gigs is where I draw the line, but there's an absolute line at 4 gigs. [10:40] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:40] akira42: Not a chance. [10:40] Mel-nix: did you install Magick++? or ImageMagick [10:40] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:41] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Mel-nix: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/download.php [10:41] woot [10:42] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-181.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:43] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:44] akira42: ImageMagick [10:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:46] wycked (~wycked@68-190-131-243.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:46] imagemagick? it's in xap... [10:47] usus12jari (1000@114.58.228.149) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:47] akira42: What to download from that link? [10:47] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:48] usus12jari (1000@114.58.228.149) joined ##slackware. [10:48] Nick change: usus12jari -> Guest95514 [10:48] Mel-nix: go to an ftp server in the near form you country [10:49] Mel-nix: from there download something like ImageMagick-6.3.2-9.tar.bz2 [10:49] Or just install the package that comes with Slackware. [10:49] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [10:50] jkwood: the package is included? He got some ld error message telling him it is missing [10:50] Well, if you don't install it, you won't have it, but it's definitely in xap. [10:51] so who's using dwm here [10:51] hm ... what means xap? [10:51] The xap/ package set. [10:51] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:52] lw0x15: i tried it but wound up switching to xmonad [10:52] omg, my home client timed out! [10:53] GooseYArd: why? what xmonad had that dwm didnt [10:53] lw0x15: can't remember actually [10:53] i think i went from dwm to ion3 then xmonad actually [10:53] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:53] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-27-16.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:54] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [10:54] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [10:54] i liked them all pretty well [10:54] lw0x15: I am, sometimes :P [10:54] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:55] xmonad seems to have more people online @ irc lol [10:56] I think ubuntu also has more people online @ irc than slackware, what's the point ? [10:56] hmmm, if I pipe the output of one command to another, what is the global exit status? of the first command or of the second one? [10:56] surrounder: more support [10:56] bigger community? [10:56] lots of points [10:56] more support != better support [10:56] bigger dick too >< [10:57] surrounder: i'd rather get some support, than none at all [10:57] subvhome: you'd rather get instant support than wait a few hours you mean [10:57] uh [10:57] sorry subvhome [10:57] meant lw0x15 [10:57] surrounder: more users online != greater support [10:58] quality not quantity =) [10:58] indeed [10:58] surrounder: and what do you mean, what's the point? [10:58] xmonad also needs the support since you have to write a haskell program to configure it [10:58] i thought the point of slackware was to figure it out on your own, finding support is just there to stop you from switching to UBUNTU! [10:59] Action: jkwood submits phrag to a PH test [10:59] gooseyard: but its sooo worth it [10:59] yep [10:59] huge fan [10:59] phrag: read from just after Desideriu quit [10:59] i'm all nuetral! [10:59] GooseYArd, what's the benefit to something like dwm? [11:00] the only bad thing about the good tiling window managers is that I have a hard time using a non tiling one now [11:00] xmonad, multi monitor, and dzen2 is just amazing [11:00] Action: phrag broke the office coffee machine this morning (before everyone got there morning cup) [11:00] dwm can do multi monitor too [11:00] needless to say i was popular =P [11:00] phrag: haha evil [11:00] thrice`: it becomes so much faster to work with a bunch of windows [11:00] yeh, but i stung myself too =P [11:00] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [11:00] I never used dwm [11:00] our machine was in a cleaning loop this morning [11:00] also quite annoying :P [11:00] GooseYArd, because or haskell? [11:00] Wait a minute... this isn't litmus paper, it's acidchild's rolling papers! [11:01] thrice`: oh you mean whats good about xmonad over dwm? [11:01] how does one manage to break a coffee maker? [11:01] did you try to pour up or something? [11:01] telperion (Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [11:01] i dont know enough about dwm to say anything meaningful, it looks fine too [11:01] they're all quite ok, even default [11:01] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-odmgsahrfrsrvbvt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:01] I just liked the feel of xmonad so I kind of got stuck on it [11:02] xmonad is configurable to the extreme [11:02] dwm too [11:02] akira42: ImageMagick v 6.5.9.6 already installed. [11:03] phrag: hrm, that's why it's nice to have one at home.. no sharing :P although if you'd break your own.. [11:03] GooseYArd, ok, I thought you meant that xmonad was quicker than dwm in that sense, and I was curious why :> [11:03] (since I"m clueless about not only haskell, but tabbed-WM's generally) [11:03] Mel-nix: hm ... what says the log of the package (regarding these libs which are missing?) [11:03] nah i think theyre all very speedy [11:04] xmonad forced me to learn some haskell, and I'm glad I did, its helped me think differently [11:04] Mel-nix: should be under /var/log/pges/[$NAME] [11:04] babb0 (~babb0@2a02:9a0:a101:0:21d:7dff:fe0d:5e2e) joined ##slackware. [11:04] thrice`: i'd try a few of them to see which one feels most comfortable [11:05] Mel-nix: /var/log/packages/[$NAME] [11:05] i liked ion3 a lot but the guy who maintains it is unstable [11:05] I think he's tried all of them. [11:05] i had trouble getting awesome to work at all [11:05] ratpoison i didnt like the defaults much [11:05] Guest95514 (1000@114.58.228.149) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:05] dwm I think liked [11:06] Action: akira42 uses ratpoison :> [11:06] thrice has tried window managers and desktop environments that haven't been written yet. [11:06] Here's the error while building inkscape: http://pastebin.org/148314 [11:06] from jkwood's ~/secret_projects list [11:06] babb0 (babb0@2a02:9a0:a101:0:21d:7dff:fe0d:5e2e) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:06] I got pretty behind recently switching to xmonad, I can't afford to learn a new wm now ;) [11:07] Mel-nix: 13.0 or -current? [11:07] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] jkwood: -current [11:08] ion3 works perfectly here [11:08] following -current [11:09] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:10] Mel-nix: Have you built newer versions of all the deps? They're needed to build Inkscape on -current. [11:10] Mel-nix: you should try the SlackBuild-package for fftw, I suppose [11:11] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:19] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [11:19] don't move the beginning of the partition however [11:19] if it's a system system partition that is [11:20] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [11:20] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [11:20] eh, I just want to clear more space for my linux. [11:20] usus12ja1i (1000@114.58.228.149) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:20] apparently, I need more than a 10 GB / [11:20] you can delete, too :> [11:20] eh, I might need it later [11:22] NaCl: ah, that's really small, [11:22] ack. Need some NFS help. Do i need to specify something special during mount or nfsd instantiation to allow crossing mountpoints? [11:22] server:/mnt/store/files/sales mounts logical volume, /mnt/store/files is experted via nfs [11:23] but an nfs client gets as far as sales and sees nothing under it [11:23] NaCl: Any space for extra drives? You could get a new one cheap and mount /home or whatnot on that. [11:24] ACK! Looks like doing this is anti-nfs! [11:24] 4 [11:25] jkwood: it's a lappy [11:26] NaCl: Then buy a bigger drive, clone it over, profit. [11:26] why isn't 10GB enough? [11:26] multilib stuff, prolly [11:26] For what it's worth, I believe I had success the last time I used Gparted on NTFS. [11:26] jkwood: eh, tooo cheap for that right now [11:26] Even on a Windows drive. [11:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-16.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:28] Action: thumbs pours H2O on NaCl [11:28] Action: NaCl dodges [11:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-131.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:29] I'm looking at installing GHC on here [11:29] NaCl: there is a slackbuild package [11:29] did it today, pretty straight forward [11:29] I am aware of that [11:30] lw0x15: last I recall, you need more than 300 MB of free space [11:30] NaCl: Spare packages and source directories in /tmp? [11:31] NaCl: yeah, that haskell bastard is fat [11:31] lw0x15: dont swear! [11:31] lw0x15: (haskell not bastard) ;) [11:31] jkwood: not enough [11:32] Zordrak: ghc = fat [11:32] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:33] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [11:33] lw0x15: is hugs smaller or something? [11:33] Mel-nix: http://p.linode.com/3709 [11:33] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:33] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.47.113) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Camarade_Tux: 2GB [11:34] Camarade_Tux: and the limit was apparently changed ~06 [11:34] Camarade_Tux: according to the source, there is a ratio: total capacity:log size :: 2048:1 [11:35] 512MB for a 1TB drive, I'm not that far away from that with 1GB for 600GB [11:36] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [11:36] and yeah, info on filesystems is almost always outdated =/ [11:38] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:38] Camarade_Tux: 1GB : 2TB [11:38] Camarade_Tux: err, flip that :P [11:39] Camarade_Tux: on my 500G drive, I'm going 256MB internal log [11:39] perlsyntax (~perlsynta@adsl-68-248-237-150.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:39] Camarade_Tux: and dchinner gave me some advice about AGs, beacuse all the google-fu in the world reported a bunch of conflicting info. You did agcount=8 right? [11:40] eviljames: yeah [11:40] had tried 64 at first but it seemed to decrease perf [11:41] Camarade_Tux: Should be good. Apparently increasing past there can offer improvements for multiple devices [11:41] yeah, saw #xfs, I'm on raid1 however ;-) [11:41] hw or sw? [11:42] software [11:42] noone advised me to try hardware anyway, everyone was like "go software, at least it won't die" ^^ [11:42] (and moneys) [11:43] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:43] eep, gotta run to work. bbiab [11:43] fredoslack: salut, et au revoir! :P [11:43] eviljames, ioo [11:43] jkwood: I have all those, except that `gtkmm' is old: gtkmm-2.14.3-i486-1_SBo [11:43] :-) [11:43] comment ça va les states [11:43] =) [11:45] gparted won't voluntarily shrink my windows partition. :( [11:45] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:45] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] he's actually canadian ;-) [11:46] What Win OS? [11:47] straterra: vista [11:47] Mel-nix: You'll want the newer gtkmm, then. [11:47] NaCl: Windows partition is unmounted? [11:47] ys [11:47] plankton (~peretto@187-17-17-100.wln.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:47] NaCl: Vista can resize its own partitions [11:47] Dont use gparted, use Windows [11:48] last I checked, it wouldn't let me shrink it to less than 70 GB [11:48] Then you have a fragmented page file [11:48] Disable the page file completely, reboot, resize [11:48] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] roger, will go [11:48] Action: NaCl reboots [11:52] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [11:54] akira42: Yippee! It worked. [11:56] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[12:00] and then I rebooted [12:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-131.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:00] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [12:00] Did you delete the page file? [12:00] akira42: SlackBuilds. [12:00] that I did not [12:00] akira42: Is it available with Slackware? [12:00] Mel-nix: huh? [12:00] It will be... [12:01] eigenpath (~eigenpath@pool-71-126-168-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] akira42: I meant: Is it available with Slackware (not SlackBuilds)? [12:02] straterra: apparently setting it to "no paging file" deletes it after rebooting (which I did) [12:03] fftw is available in -current. [12:03] Mel-nix: hm .. don't know [12:04] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:05] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [12:06] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[12:10] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:10] Which means that sometimes, you have to do silly things like build newer versions of libraries. [12:11] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:12] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:12] jkwood: Right. [12:15] hi/bye jkwood [12:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [12:17] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:17] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-xpfdibzomzqsatll) joined ##slackware. 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[12:32] howdy [12:33] got myself a usb bluetooth dongle, but IK can't insert the rfcomm module [12:33] Error inserting rfcomm (/lib/modules/2.6.33.1/kernel/net/bluetooth/rfcomm/rfcomm.ko): Invalid module format [12:33] I recall that there was a similar error a while back with the display drivers, but I didn't jott down the fix :( [12:34] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:35] julien__ (~julien@ip-174.net-82-216-206.lyon.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:35] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-28-210.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[12:54] guys on boot i get 2010-04-11 05:06:14 slackos kernel EXT3-fs (sda1): error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240) but i have ext4 file system...why? [12:55] what is your drive geometry like? [12:56] is the ext4 module in the kernel ? [12:56] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:56] it seems to want to moint an ext4 partition with ext3 [12:56] how did you set this up? [12:57] v4nelle, what does your fstab say ? [12:59] thrice`, http://pastebin.com/mvVj13xk [12:59] eigenpath (~eigenpath@pool-71-126-168-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] eigenpath (~eigenpath@pool-71-126-168-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:00] eigenpath (~eigenpath@pool-71-126-168-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] and, "file -s /dev/sda1" ? [13:01] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:02] uhh how to set my crt to work in 100hz under kde ? [13:02] modeline is deprecated right ? I use nvidia properiatry drivers ~190.x [13:02] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-28-210.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:02] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [13:03] telperion (Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [13:04] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:04] paul424: Can you adjust it in nvidia-settings? [13:05] adamk: no it just shows 70hz at max ... [13:05] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:08] paul424: I thought CRTs were deprecated ;) [13:08] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:08] jawsh569 (~jawsh569@adsl-75-23-67-69.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] dude I bought today one ... so help me :) [13:09] smash it on youtube! [13:09] then get a decent LCD [13:09] because they are nicer then lcd 's ... lcd's are to bright for my precious eyes :P ... so gimme detailed instructions [13:10] paul424: look up the monitor specs and fill in the right refresh values. restart X. they should now be selectable in the X config. [13:10] lcd monitors don't bathe you in radiation [13:10] however, comment out "DPMS" or "EDID" if it is set and it does not work, since those values are often bogus [13:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:11] hmmmmm [13:11] anyone have a promise sx6000 card, by chance? [13:12] Ibrb [13:12] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [13:13] wycked (~wycked@68-190-131-243.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:13] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.92) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:14] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:14] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:15] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-27-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:16] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [13:17] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.49.92) joined ##slackware. [13:17] why does it say my association helper is not working for .torrent files when i always make transmission my default BT client? [13:17] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:20] why would the fact that X is your default Y client have any impact on file associations ? [13:21] are you using KDE ? [13:21] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] harjar (~oddharjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:21] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:22] harjar (~oddharjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [13:22] both KDE and xfce have the same prob. i click on the .torrent file, and it says /tmp/distro.torrent could not be opened, because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences [13:22] and ? [13:25] thrice`, file -s says /dev/sda1: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (extents) (large files) (huge files) [13:27] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:27] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [13:28] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:30] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.123.198) joined ##slackware. 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[13:50] okay, it's not in vanilla kernel [13:51] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [13:51] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:51] whats wrong ? [13:53] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:53] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:54] paul424: I seriously thought that you were compiling an xorg.conf. :P [13:54] paul424: it is explicit. # is not a valid comment character in xorg.conf [13:54] use ; [13:54] adaptr: since when? [13:54] Oo [13:54] O_o [13:55] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [13:55] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [13:55] oh wait, you're an utter idiot [13:55] paul424: don't use a C code pastebin that actually evaluates code to paste A FRIGGIN TEXT FILE [13:55] I am not going to interpret and correct your idiocy [13:55] paul424: that ocnfig has no errors, and you're not showing any [13:56] Greetings Programs! [13:56] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Hello cross-eyed poulty [13:56] +r [13:57] http://codepad.org/1uYi1WMe ok better, yeah if you were listening you would know I have problem with refreshrate [13:58] excuse me [13:58] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [13:58] "if" I was listening ? I told you what to fix [13:58] still a lame excuse for using a totally unsuited pastebin [13:58] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [13:58] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Client Quit [13:59] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. 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[14:03] it shold tell you exactly what was detected and why not [14:03] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-209-204.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:03] uhh ok [14:03] it's large, but very detailed [14:04] perhaps xorg.0.log, it's been a while [14:04] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:05] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:05] mhym that does not show any erros whatsover, anyway I finally get the 85hz mode ... [14:05] now time to switch to 100 hz ... [14:06] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:06] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:10] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. 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[14:13] you can insert a specific modeline yourself, but you will have to calculate the values [14:13] why not use 118 [14:14] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [14:14] to be honest ... previous one was exactly exploited at it edges ... and some electronic parts gone after a few years dude to overheat [14:15] so no :) [14:16] sluckxz (~sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware. [14:17] yozzer (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:22] thrice`, i fixed my problem with rootfstype=ext4 on lilo.conf [14:23] I got this insane idea for a perl packey handler and a POE filter to handler. sweet [14:23] packet* [14:23] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.107.41) joined ##slackware. [14:23] \o [14:24] Action: Fatalnix loves it when he discoveres new things that he can possibly do [14:24] have you tried picking your nose? 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[14:33] harjar (~oddharjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:33] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:33] harjar (~oddharjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [14:36] may I ask a few paul's questions ? [14:39] is this a trick question? [14:39] bno some boring stuff about X11 an so forth [14:39] who is paul? [14:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:40] me [14:40] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] ok go ahead [14:41] No! Paul is dead! I know it because I saw him on the cover of Abbey Road with no pants. [14:41] I give you permission [14:42] rob0, this is his clone, let him ask a few questions [14:42] Okay. Speak, Sir Paul. [14:42] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware. [14:42] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [14:42] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:44] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: class [14:44] Does the xorg.conf settings affect what modes the nvidia-settings driver can offer ? [14:44] it should be [14:44] What is higher in the system the X11 or the nvidia-settings .. which depends on which ? [14:46] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:46] um [14:46] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-27-192.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [14:46] nvidia-settings merely sets nvidia-specific options in xorg.conf [14:48] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [14:48] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:49] hmm and when I do change refresh or resolution everything is done through X11 ? [14:49] wycked (~wycked@68-190-131-243.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:49] wycked (~wycked@68-190-131-243.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:52] I can't see why it would ever be otherwise [14:52] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:52] the modelines tell xorg what to do, just because you're not seeing any of the dozens of built-in defaults doesn't mean there are none [14:53] ok, so why kde and nvidia settings have diffrent list of modes ? [14:53] because one will use the modelines (KDE) and the other will actually read the monitor [14:54] also, there's noth EDID and DPMS, both can deliver info [14:54] nvidia-settings most likely uses EDID, as it has an option to download that [14:54] Nicce (1000@ip-90-194-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:53] if it goes in rc.local -- that doesn't seem to affect kdm/xdm which I thought would base it's keymap off of what the console keymap is. [16:53] and since there is nor more xorg.conf ... [16:54] BrokenCog: under InputDevice in your xorg.conf, Option "XkbLayout" "us(dvorak)" [16:54] Nick change: mach_kernel -> giant|cock [16:54] I thought Slack13 doesn't use xorg.conf [16:54] at least, ther eis none on my system. [16:54] ... [16:54] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:54] except for -vesa mode. [16:54] Action: Cann0n slaps BrokenCog [16:55] /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi # might be worth lookin' at [16:55] specifically us [16:56] trhodes -- i have that. [16:56] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [16:56] thanks rob0 [16:57] wait ... [16:57] i take that back. [16:58] i edited the wrong file. damn it that's annonying. [16:58] There's nothing to stop someone from using an xorg.conf file. 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[17:02] BrokenCog: read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT on the dvd or any mirror [17:02] look for hal [17:03] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.87.215) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:03] Nick change: giant|cock -> mach_kernel [17:04] where is that file -- i don't see it in docs ... [17:04] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-25-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:04] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [17:05] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-1.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:05] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [17:05] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:05] the difference is that upgrading hal, the file in /usr will be overwritted [17:05] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] and /etc/hal takes precedence over /usr/share/hal [17:07] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:09] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:10] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [17:10] okay -- let me reboot and see what happens (considering the key's are already popped off and re-arranged it's tedious not being able to switch *:) ). 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I've connected my new camera... dmesg shows it being picked up, but I don't seem to get a device node for it.... is there a particular app I should be using? (running slackware -current) [17:41] john_dee (~id@93-81-2-31.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:42] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:42] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-15.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:44] it might not abide by usb mass storage. try libgphoto2 [17:46] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:46] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4219, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-26 04:04:08 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [17:47] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] welcome [17:51] biker (~biker@201.170.98.38.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:09] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:10] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:10] i don't know the details but iirc bluefish doesn't get much love here... [19:12] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:12] hah, sorry was thinking of bluewhite64 [19:13] haha [19:13] haha, I was wondering about the trouble with bluefish. [19:13] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:14] I took your word for it though! [19:14] fatherx, I use Bluefish a bit. [19:15] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] wolven, have you used the remote feature? I trying to get it to work but it just dont go anywhere [19:15] bluefish/bluewhite...after the day i've had rob0 it's a miracle i can type at all [19:15] fatherx: I also use it, but not too often... [19:15] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:27] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:27] if it is 2.0 then you'd need gvfs (not gnome-vfs) [19:28] blaines (~blaines@174-17-165-196.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:36] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [19:38] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:38] harjar (~oddharjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:40] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-251.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:41] greetings and salutations [19:41] salutations and greetings [19:42] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:42] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-70.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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I just said denied to save you the hassle of losing and then being counter sued, for suing them [19:52] gabba_ (~gabba@pool-96-244-128-12.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] jawsh569 (~jawsh569@adsl-75-23-67-69.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:52] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:54] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:55] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:58] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [20:01] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:03] alphad (~alphad@41.207.31.152) joined ##slackware. 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[20:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-92.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:54] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [20:54] wycked (~wycked@68-190-131-243.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:54] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:54] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] seems distribs just don't get it: do not fuxorz wih encryptions stuff [21:01] What now? Debian again? [21:02] close, ubuntu [21:02] they patched up some nss stuff meanwhile upstream fixed it proper [21:02] oh my [21:02] link? [21:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nss/+bug/559881 [21:04] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.123.198) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:04] gotta love that stuff :) [21:05] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:07] gotta give em credit though, they went from 0 to 60 real quick and had things fixed [21:08] they can have no credit for that. such nonsense is uncalled for :P [21:09] "don't mess with code you don't understand" [21:11] if it starts with "enc" and ends with "ion", don't fuxorz with it [21:11] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [21:12] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:14] anyone here prefer opera over ff? [21:18] Cann0n: Some sites work better w/ opera than with ff [21:18] sites built for IE :( [21:18] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [21:19] i'm on dial-up. FF2 had better cache options. [21:19] anyone here build LFS? [21:19] wycked: I have done one in the past [21:20] but opera seems to be geared toward a range of network speeds, unlike FF, which seems to be geared for higher speeds [21:20] In fact, LFS should be the final exam for any linux 101 course [21:20] Cann0n: in general, I prefer ff, although it is heavy... [21:20] antiwire: is there any better way to really know everything about a system? [21:20] i'm looking into chrome [21:20] ew.. it's beta. [21:21] Action: Cann0n steps away [21:21] wycked: I have built my own LFS in the past. Should be an obligation :) [21:21] wycked: Depends on what you want to know. Programming daemons and kernels would give you a lower level point of view. [21:21] If you want to learn how a generic Linux based distribution goes together, do an LFS install [21:21] Cann0n: haven't had time to check Chrome yet... Too lazy to build it... [21:22] antiwire: second that :) [21:22] it's beta. i'm gonna wait. lol. i don't care for beta software unless the only alternative(s) are worst [21:23] wycked: To answer your question clearly; If you plan on hanging around Linux systems you can't go wrong with doing an LFS from start to finish at least once. [21:23] wycked: after LFS, there is BLFS if you want to continue to use it. It is a good learning experience. [21:24] wycked: It's even better to do it twice, since the first time you might not understand everything you're doing if you're not too experienced with linux [21:24] antiwire: i just keep reading up on what my machine can do but really, its just telling me what has been done that i can use, i have no real idea how its done, thats why i feel i need to build my own [21:25] niels_horn: first awesome name!, second, is it the most practical way to get to know a system, i cannot think of any better way to know open source and Linux then just building my own [21:25] Just go do it [21:26] now! [21:26] it's a little bit harder than waking up and saying, "i'm gonna build linux from scratch" [21:26] ok, sounds good, swift kick in the ass works [21:26] especially if you are on dial-up [21:26] yeah but no better way to learn [21:26] Action: Cann0n looks down at his dirty feet [21:26] how r u on dial-up [21:27] haha [21:27] r u in a remote area, like above the arctic circle [21:27] you don't have to be above the arctic circle to need dial up [21:27] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-26-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:27] i'm 15 miles from the nearest pack of cigarettes [21:27] more like in the bayou or the desert or the mountains [21:28] F THAT [21:28] or farmland [21:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:28] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [21:28] i live in the middle of northern wisconsin and i still get broadband from an antenna of doom [21:29] wycked: not to be an ass, but thu first step to building LFS, learn to use complete words. :) [21:29] lol [21:29] ouch [21:30] they haven't ran highspeed lines out here yet. we have a petition out for it. chances are it will be another 2 years before they consider the idea [21:30] 2.5 miles of dirt road. it happens. [21:31] wycked: what kind of antennae are you using? [21:32] i thought about constructing a 30' yagi [21:33] my phone company is testing it on my house, picks up a broadcast from the companies building 18 mi south of where i am. i'm afraid to touch it, had to sign a waver, its $65k [21:33] not too shabby though, works well without a sat dish [21:34] think wifi on super steroids [21:34] nice. [21:35] it was their idea, i almost got dial-up [21:35] i woudl have just used sat then [21:35] we have a 8' dish we play with. we need money to convert it to a SDR [21:36] vcampos (~vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:36] it's a used dish. the bands to transponder are designed for won't pick up the 29.7ghz or what ever satelite is now-a-days [21:37] you can use it to pick up signal with a regular hotspot [21:37] if you werent against leeching [21:37] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:37] i hate sat. the latency is crazy. we used WildBlue, and the max bandwidth they'd let a family of 4 have was 14GB/mo [21:38] i'm not against long range wardriving, but i like on FL in a place it's flat as a table. thick woods makes it hard to get anything [21:39] with an 8' you can jsut aim it up into the air [21:40] I blam the anik2 satelite. it sits in the geosync slot 111.something. i site in one of the very small gaps in which signal is not up to par [21:40] those little dishes from DishNetwork you have to aim [21:40] wycked: but we'd need to aim it. pointing it up in the air will only pick up meteorites, passing satelites, and other SDR signals [21:41] i thought that too. i've seen internet articles about just aiming skyward [21:42] got an old tv antenna tower? [21:42] wycked: http://www.websdr.org/ [21:42] thats the stuff we are working on. i have to re-install all the sdr software since i'm on 64bit now. i'll have to setup a vbox with winders [21:43] not to mention i don't have a parallel port on this laptop :( [21:43] that is a tough one, I have been looking myself [21:44] bahh [21:44] yeah, but we turned it into a meteorite alert system [21:45] it's cool. you can hear them when they come into the atmosphere [21:45] it also picks up cheap cordless phones [21:46] i have some wireless headphones that pick 900MHz phones [21:46] *pick up [21:46] nice [21:46] i used to have a radio that picked up cordless phones back in the early 90s when that was the rage [21:47] i wrapped wire around a 4 foot tube and mounted it on a parabolic salad bowl. i'd camp out in the back of my dads truck and aim it around the area [21:47] Take a 12v socket dc-ac adapter and drive around with a 900mhz or 2.4ghz wireless video receiver. [21:48] tell you what, the neighbor once found the boy next door in her doughters closet. [21:49] i wish my room looked like this http://www.cubesat.it/iz4fvw/images/stn_2459.JPG [21:50] This is my room http://tinyurl.com/y4km78h [21:50] mach_kernel (~david@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: init 0 [21:51] dude, you need a main [21:51] antiwire: nice. can I spend the night? [21:51] maid* [21:51] also, that looks exactly like the stove I have [21:51] antiwire: looks like rats won't even live there [21:54] mach_kernel (~david@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:54] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-182-10.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] Heya,folks [21:55] hey MLanden [21:55] heya,Cann0n [21:59] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-9.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[23:47] If I install slackware via CD will it try to save over my debian partion or will it give me an option for me to choose how much space i wanna allocate to it? [23:48] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:49] Dolp: slackware's installer doesn't create partitions for you. [23:49] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:49] so i gotta make my own partion then install slackware on it? [23:49] ugh [23:50] yes. using fdisk or cfdisk [23:50] anake, g-parted is awesome.. [23:50] it's alright. cfdisk is more than enough for me [23:50] yeah...cfdisk it is [23:51] 'ananke', 'gparted'. and i wasn't debating its awesomeness, regardless of how true or untrue it is [23:51] ^kay [23:51] &sure [23:53] hm, why cfdisk though...wasn't that dropped some time ago? [23:53] dropped from where? [23:53] from development [23:54] so have been a lot of things. doesn't mean they're obsolete [23:54] What development has taken place in disk partitioning? "Partitions is partitions." [23:55] rob0: GPT [23:55] which none of the *disk utils can deal with properly, such as fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk [23:56] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [00:00] --- Tue Apr 13 2010