[00:01] doesn anybody knows how to configure a lexmark x1250 scanner? it just worked under Arch Linux and Ubuntu. But Xsane doesnt even detect it [00:03] init[1]: that's probably because you don't have /usr/sbin set in your path. [00:08] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] agentc0re: \o/ got cha ,it worked [00:08] agentc0re: thank you :) [00:09] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [00:09] HeadRush (n=HeadRush@bas7-ottawa23-2925037298.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:13] has anyone here tried "PRISM" by mozilla? [00:15] what is it? [00:15] a brand new software by mozilla, that shows like web apps [00:16] "like web apps"? WTF is that? [00:16] check this: http://www.appten.com/wp-content/uploads/image/prism-linux.jpg [00:16] for exmaple [00:16] for example [00:16] you can add a google docs icon to your desktop [00:16] and prism will show it like if it were a local app [00:16] in a window [00:16] ummmm, no thanks. You can have that kind of garbage all to yourself. [00:17] syn2fin (n=ichigo@c-76-104-20-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:17] ive just tried it, but i cant fin where does prism save my stuff [00:17] :( [00:17] I think that is part of what they kiddies are calling "cloud" computing. Stupidity to the max. [00:17] yeah i wanna go back to 300 baud modem days! [00:17] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] heh [00:18] lol [00:18] stupid kiddies and their new technologies! [00:20] mattallmill (n=mattallm@ip98-186-163-10.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:21] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZO150003.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [00:21] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.169.199) left irc: "leaving" [00:23] mercfate: I did google that after reading your post:) looks like an interesting project [00:23] hitest, whats the project about? :P [00:24] running windows apps within linux......wine [00:25] hitest, send me the link... [00:26] just google playonlinux [00:27] cool [00:28] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left ##slackware. [00:28] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] acidfreeze (n=acid@pool-173-71-44-38.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] could someone help me out in getting my sound to work. i have a Creative Labs [SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG.. im using the snd-hda-intel module and i notice that snd_hda_codec_ca0110 is loaded. i can turn the volume up and down but no sound. [00:32] i do see this in dmesg 8.223383] ALSA hda_intel.c:723: hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to single_cmd mode: last cmd=0x107f0d00 [00:32] have you alsaconf'd? [00:32] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:33] and alsamixer'd? [00:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:34] JK3MP (n=JK3MP@173.4.19.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] alsactl store? [00:34] yea i have [00:34] it configures it [00:34] everything fine, but when i play music it doesnt play [00:34] it just sits there [00:34] did you configure it while using the system or while you were in a bash prompt? [00:35] inside x [00:35] bad ideaz [00:35] er idea [00:35] well i have tried this many times [00:35] does your version of alsa support this card? [00:35] yes [00:35] it says close all devices using the sound card [00:35] i build [00:35] (includes sound mixers) [00:36] ok just for you i am going to do it. brb [00:36] acidfreeze (n=acid@pool-173-71-44-38.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:37] I run alsaconf in run level 3 [00:37] how does X impact this exercise? [00:37] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:39] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [00:39] maybe his user is not in the audio group, who knows... [00:40] greetings, folks. does slackware have an automated installation-time package selection tool like Red Hat's kickstart? the menu selection process is killing me! [00:42] acidfreeze (n=acid@pool-173-71-44-38.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] ok no luck ,, still no worky [00:42] would someone paste my previous post about my sound?? [00:43] before i head to #alsa [00:43] procyc, look into tagfiles [00:43] acid, is your user in the audio group? [00:45] mancha: i saw that, but it looks like i'd need to slipstream the selected file into the CD image. is that true? [00:45] (file selections) [00:45] yep i am [00:45] bleeding|edge (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:45] and i was sure to logout all the way [00:45] then relogin after adding [00:45] acidfreeze: you checked that things were not muted in alsamixer? [00:45] HeadRush (n=HeadRush@bas7-ottawa23-2925037298.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [00:45] yep sure did [00:46] i think it is a codec issue [00:46] you're *SURE*? No "MM" at the bottom of sliders? [00:47] no,, the music doesnt really even play [00:47] i cant skip in the songs i play the slider is greyed out [00:47] and then after 10 secs the visual effects on the media play freeze [00:47] that's not a sound problem... is this a CD you're trying to play? [00:47] mp3 [00:47] hmph [00:47] i keep hearing these weird sounds from speakers [00:48] thats why i think it is codec [00:48] procyonlabs, what do you mean? [00:48] i keep getting this weird debugs [00:48] [ 522.340889] __ratelimit: 27 messages suppressed [00:48] [ 540.480870] ALSA hda_codec.c:2683: hda_codec: rates == 0 (nid=0x12, val=0x0, [00:48] acidfreeze: dunno, some of those intel-hda chips are bastards and don't work in Linux. [00:49] this is funny thing,, the sound worked when i installed osx.. [00:49] thats so freaking depressing... [00:49] did you say it worked in Ubuntu? [00:49] no .. osx [00:49] oh [00:49] leopard.. voodoohda kext [00:50] crappy a$$ chipset [00:50] there are various options you can pass to the intel-hda module, don't recall how to do it, but a google will show you. Some of them are vendor-specific [00:52] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZO150003.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [00:54] just read thru http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel [00:54] didnt really give me alot [00:54] http://www.linuxsound.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA [00:54] might help [00:55] actually that looks like a crap document... but the "model" parameter passed to the module may be something you need to do [00:55] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [00:58] i ran the hda-analyzer and it says [00:58] TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for <<: 'NoneType' and 'int' [01:00] procyonlabs your tagfiles can be on a removable thumbdrive, just mount the thumb during install [01:00] hehe, Slackware is at 666 hits per day on http://distrowatch.com [01:01] and that's my contribution for today. [01:02] this is exact same issue i have http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/33405 [01:02] habaneros (n=habanero@97.102.250.123) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:02] we need toi get it to 13013 hits [01:02] rworkman: but "today" just started like 2 minutes ago! [01:02] "per fay" [01:03] Action: init[1] TB 3 source on the frying pan -j6 :D [01:03] maby i need newer kernel i guess [01:03] so presumably some avg over some period...is slackware 14.0 gonna be codenamed, Rosemary's Baby ? [01:04] init[1], \o/, 32 or 64bit? [01:04] bleeding|edge: 32 :( [01:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-141-15.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] init[1], Ah, ok. I tried to build it on 64 bit and it crapped out with cairo font something or other. :/ [01:05] bleeding|edge: when you ran or during the compile ? [01:05] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] init[1], compile [01:06] firebird, did you export USE_ARCH=64 [01:06] bleeding|edge: well lets see if i would have some issues with it on 32 ;) [01:06] init[1], yeah, let me know, please. :) [01:06] mancha, yeah [01:06] bleeding|edge: sure ;) [01:07] 32 bit compiled fine here. what exactly was your error messsage? [01:07] mancha, I can't recall, I can look at the build log and pastebin it though. [01:07] if you do, i'll read it [01:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:08] "If you paste it, they will read" [01:08] oh noes! images of gerbils [01:08] ah, good ol fortune: "Happiness is a hard disk" [01:09] and a slot in which to place it. [01:09] er i mean kevin costner [01:09] No, that's not at all who I had in mind. [01:09] hahaha [01:11] is that a Tiger Woods joke...? [01:12] No, but I suppose it could be. [01:12] I guess it would be hard "drive" in his case [01:13] poor Tiger, a "hole in one" wasn't good enough, so far, iirc, he's up too a "hole in twelve" [01:13] hehee [01:13] What's the difference between a golf ball and a Cadillac Escalade...? [01:13] Q: how are Tiger Woods and Santa Claus different? [01:13] He drives well on the fairway, but he doesn't fare well on the driveway. [01:13] Tiger Woods can drive a golf ball at least 300 yards [01:14] santa only has 3 ho's [01:14] A: Santa stops after 3 ho's [01:14] firedix (n=firedix@host38.200-117-192.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [01:14] some of his conquests actually looked a little skanky... [01:14] he could have done better [01:14] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:15] There's a big elephant in the room that everybody's apparently afraid to mention though. [01:15] Nike wants to continue using Tiger Woods, so they've changed their slogan to "Just Do Me" [01:15] LOL [01:15] haha [01:15] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:15] Lots of folks are asking "Why would he do *those* women when he's got a beautiful wife at home?" [01:15] good question [01:15] She might be a beautiful *woman*, but that does NOT make her a good *wife* [01:15] correctamundo [01:16] 18 > 1 [01:16] doesn't even mean she's a good "lay" [01:16] What he saw in those other women just might very well be something that women don't want to hear. [01:16] danc3: exactly. [01:16] i heard his wife no longer calls him tiger, she now calls him cheetah [01:16] ok, i'll stop :) [01:16] heh [01:17] ehh I just give up in searching of linuxnews.pl. I wanted to find some essay regarding X11 and other graphical subsystems on linux. Is there any site in english which would provide high-quality well written essays, but not exaclty a technical manuals on themas around linux ? [01:17] you looking to plaigerize a homework assignment, or sumpin? [01:18] No, I am just a prodigy child who wants to know everything ... [01:18] http://209.85.135.132/search?q=cache:7EVqD4pW1-gJ:jonsmirl.googlepages.com/graphics.html+linux+graphical+subsystems&cd=2&hl=pl&ct=clnk&gl=pl [01:18] oh, then just use Google. NEXT! [01:18] I'm not making excuses, but... I've dated a "beauty queen" type in the past who had a "don't touch me - I'm too pretty to get dirty" attitude far too often. She got dumped for someone who was less attractive on the surface but who actually wanted to be touched. [01:19] rworkman: +1 [01:19] no but I ask about a portal. [01:22] juice (i=juice@cpe-65-28-100-209.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:23] anyone here know how to use mdadm to enable a fake raid? [01:25] crashdata: you don't use mdadm to enable fake raid. i think it's dmraid. plus i'd recommend not using rakeraid. [01:26] s/rakeraid/fake raid [01:26] rakefaid [01:26] :) [01:28] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: "ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" [01:28] mancha, sorry for the delay, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/zmi5kU58.html [01:28] define "enable" [01:29] 404? [01:30] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:30] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [01:30] doh, sorry. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/zmi5kU58.html [01:30] crashdata: however, here is something that might help you go insane.. errr i mean try to use fake raid. http://bit.ly/6neOcU [01:32] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:33] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.45.122) joined ##slackware. [01:33] this is wrong: --enable-default-toolkit=TK should be cairo-gtk2 or something [01:33] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:33] mancha, I've tried with gtk2, cairo-gtk2, etc. same thing. [01:34] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: No route to host [01:34] you didn't export what i mentioned [01:34] where you MOZILLA_OFFICIAL=1 [01:34] export USE_ARCH=64 [01:35] (add that export too) [01:35] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) left irc: [01:35] what are those enviro's used by? Firefox? [01:35] Sorry I'm late, still angry I still have no charger. [01:36] no charger = no laptop. [01:36] fatalnix, that's a TBird 3.0 build [01:39] brb [01:39] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:40] ic. [01:44] Bobb Dobbs' doobie in his pipe [01:46] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:47] skaro (n=skaro@ip68-11-174-155.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:48] endersending (n=endersen@208.123.33.92) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:49] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:50] SiegeX- (i=219@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] agentc0re, thanks [01:52] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start" [01:54] Torrentow (n=rafalkra@unaffiliated/torrentow) joined ##slackware. [01:56] mancha, ok, I'm trying with --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk2 and export USE_ARCH=64 [01:57] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/sanzilla expired. [01:57] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/sanzilla' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:57] I'll see what happens. Thanks for taking a look at it. [01:58] no problem. report back please. also i notice a lot of obsolete flags (not that it'll bork it) - is this some script you hacked for an older version? [01:59] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [01:59] mancha, no, slackbuild from 64bit-current, it seems as though some of the options have changed for TB 3, I tried to figure them out, I may have missed some things though. [01:59] I'll report back what happens with it. [02:01] oh i see. ok lemme know, we can prolly figure it out together [02:05] SiegeX (i=219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:05] Nick change: SiegeX- -> SiegeX [02:09] sborn (n=stillbor@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) joined ##slackware. [02:09] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left ##slackware. [02:09] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:11] acidfreeze (n=acid@pool-173-71-44-38.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [02:12] giuppy (n=giuppy@host140-168-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:13] hello [02:13] oh boy... i'm never gonna compile any of the mozilla guys on this machine :-/ [02:14] lol [02:14] does slackware has a qt-4.6 in current now [02:14] sborn, no [02:14] I dunno, go check? [02:15] if you have to ask ... [02:15] sborn, www.slackware.org/getslack [02:15] Action: sborn is ircing wit phone [02:15] fire, is it compiling or to be done another time? [02:15] oh [02:15] with* [02:15] why didn't you say so? 8-) [02:15] mancha, it's compiling. [02:15] sborn, current's qt is 4.5.3 [02:16] fire, and it would've borked by now with your other error, right? [02:16] mancha, yeah, so I think it may be working. :) [02:16] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:16] ok, just curious abt it's size [02:16] cool beans [02:16] mopslinux has a package, 24M [02:17] seems quite small [02:17] mopslinux? are they really running out of ideas for names? [02:18] maybe it means something else that u don't know in russia [02:18] alpha_ (n=alpha@host114.190-138-147.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:18] bleeding|edge: is that you ? fire|bird ! [02:18] Swedish chef linux [02:19] Action: init[1] i wish i knew it before :D [02:19] init[1], indeed it is. :) [02:21] and then there was silence! [02:22] Action: ChickenLittle stabs sborn [02:23] Action: sborn does the old duck and kick in thew nuts trick [02:24] Action: init[1] push ChickenLittle into the oven ;) ,we have a slacker chicken cooking ,yummy;P [02:24] with mushed nuts too :D [02:25] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:26] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:28] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [02:28] youtube lags like hell on my machine.. :S high CPU usage and video choppy and i aint even watching HD :( [02:29] welcome to linux flash [02:29] youtube only lags for me in fullscreen, but all my games are super fine [02:29] doesnt help i have ATI and unsupported by fglrx, RV535, so i use OSS driver [02:30] I use radeonHD [02:30] for my x1650 [02:30] X1650 isnt supported by radeonHD [02:30] it seems like firefox isn't directly drawing to the video buffer though. [02:31] Yes, it is. [02:31] no, radeonHD is R600 and up [02:31] you are using R300 driver [02:31] check the lists, [02:31] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] radeonhd is r500 and higher, iirc [02:32] yes. [02:32] for 3D no, < R600 3D is Mesa [02:32] yes it is [02:33] I'll be excited when they port hardware accel to linux flash [02:33] it has full 3d support for the x1650 almost, except for some shaders, and is incomplete for my x1300 [02:33] also, i really really really wish companies releasing hardware like graphics cards and motherboards would use a naming system that made some fucking sense. [02:33] i have problems with radeonhd, full screen video flickers [02:34] I had to cut the virtual screen buffer [02:34] and a few things, but it works fine. as long as I dont turn on something like dynamic lighting then its fast [02:34] if I do its basicly like 1fps [02:34] I want to see an add like "Get the new ATI RADEON 20091211!" [02:34] hahahaha [02:35] instead of "x500 extreme hd" [02:35] which means NOTHING [02:35] to ANYONE [02:35] fuck you, marketers. [02:35] fatalnix: what shows up as GL_RENDERER in glxinfo [02:36] one moment [02:36] I'm actually using my laptop disk in my desktop, and its running differently, my set ups a bit different. [02:37] nothing shows [02:37] yeah that's a bit different [02:38] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [02:38] why the FRIG is it running as 4x agp!? [02:38] odd... [02:38] its an 8x card in an 8x slot [02:38] does linux support 8x agp slots? [02:38] should. [02:38] it has support for my via pt880 [02:39] AND [02:39] I remember this same mobo on 10.2 with agpgart saying it was 8x.. not that it means it used it. [02:40] sborn (n=stillbor@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) left ##slackware. [02:48] mancha, haha, after all this time, it errored out. :P [02:49] mancha, it gave a message of: Makefile:98: *** you need an "--enable-static" build to package a build. Stop. [02:49] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [02:50] hahaha wow [02:50] i guess some things need to be static [02:50] lol [02:50] yup, and this is one of them. :P [02:54] ah yeah, you want that too [02:54] faster build [02:54] Sinner (n=root@c-67-173-21-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:54] Sinner kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [02:55] mancha, I'll probably try that tomorrow, as it's getting late here. I'll be online for around another hour or so. [02:58] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) left irc: "later" [02:58] you should make the edit and let it run while you sleep [02:58] and awaken to some freshly ground colombian coffee beans and t-bird out of the oven [02:59] haha [03:00] lQg8 (n=cBt7e5eN@166-240-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:01] as tempting as that sounds, I shut down my pc's when I go to sleep, in the summer due to storms that may come in the night (I've had bad experiences with those) and in the winter due to ice, etc. that sometimes causes power outages, so I play it safe and just shut things down, [03:02] kinda cautious for a "bleeding edge" kinda fella... :P [03:03] hahaha, well, I've had a storm erase an hdd and blow out an external modem, and my electronics are connected to surge protectors. :P [03:05] ew [03:07] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-431004.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:07] songohan (n=songohan@134.137.202-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] Hello [03:08] songohan: hi [03:08] Where could i find a sb for thunderbird 3 please ? [03:08] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:10] Action: ChickenLittle suspends his machine when it's night time unless he has a compile or handbrake session going [03:10] songohan: what is "sb"? [03:10] slackbuilds [03:11] songohan: I don't know. I prefer to use "mutt" instead of thunderbird. [03:13] Hmm. So that's why youtube is slow fullscreen. [03:13] lQg8, ok i will try it [03:14] songohan: be patient with "mutt"! [03:14] I bet you if flash had a config file to override its autodetection of OpenGL support then it would work fine. [03:15] ok i have a question [03:15] don't ask to ask. [03:15] :) [03:15] how do i add a new user but make it so that this user uses the computer in JAPANESE? [03:15] i'm not asking to ask [03:15] Action: ChickenLittle stabs fatalnix fatally [03:16] 8-) [03:16] LANG? [03:16] lQg8, hum hum, mutt has not a graphic interface ? [03:16] Action: fatalnix dodges it with his slomo [03:16] skaro (n=skaro@ip68-11-174-155.br.br.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:16] songohan, no, it's a cli mail client. [03:16] songohan: of course. it is console MUA [03:16] tiopasin (n=Helljawz@unaffiliated/tiopasin) joined ##slackware. [03:16] tiopasin (n=Helljawz@unaffiliated/tiopasin) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:16] Action: ChickenLittle echo 0 > /sys/fatalnix/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/slowmo/status [03:16] lQg8, so it's not for me [03:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: "just to eat" [03:17] songohan: I'm happy with mutt. [03:18] So, has everyone changed their FF search engine to bing? http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142106/Mozilla_exec_suggests_Firefox_users_move_to_Bing_cites_Google_privacy_stance [03:18] mailx ftw [03:19] Action: bleeding|edge ducks [03:20] bleeding|edge: Try 'nigma.ru' - perfet search engine. [03:20] Action: wollw uses chrome [03:20] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-431004.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [03:20] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-134.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:21] lQg8, for the moment i don't want to use a cli mua :( [03:21] the problem with that statement in that site is that microsoft has been one of the worst "protectors" of privacy due to their poorly designed operating systems [03:21] much less trying to squash freedom (the netscape incident, etc) and their stance against linux (mostly) doesn't seem to go well with their statement [03:21] KB1JWQ_ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. [03:21] only time will tell [03:21] until then, make your own search bots lol [03:22] port scan 80 and look for robots.txt? [03:22] Action: wollw has no clue [03:22] Action: bleeding|edge creates a search bot and titles it "where_the_fsck_is_it" :P [03:23] Action: wollw googles for information on creating own seach bot [03:24] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [03:25] i think you find a whole lot of robots [03:25] wtfii.com [03:25] "wtf is it" [03:25] so am i supposed to believe that google retains everyone's information and bing doesn't? [03:25] brrrrrrr [03:25] or dokudesuka (to use the phoenetic japanese for "where is it") [03:26] s/phoenetic/phonetic [03:26] KB1JWQ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:26] s/dokudesuka/dokudeska [03:28] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.78.30) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431004.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:30] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[05:17] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [05:18] Action: init[1] cra phave been compiling TB 3 since morning , still not complete :-/ [05:19] kitche_ (i=kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [05:20] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) joined ##slackware. [05:22] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:22] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZB170220.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [05:24] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Success [05:26] hai, do i need floppy module for external usb floppy disk ? [05:28] USB is a bus not driver , logically,yes you will need it [05:28] hdparm -z (reread part tbl) says "busy"; is that a fatal (non-dangerous) msg or what? [05:29] no. A reboot should make the OS re-read the partition table. [05:29] the part is umntd [05:29] then why provide -z if it doesnt work? [05:29] (do as prescribed) [05:30] perhaps if it's external storage, it could. Just a guess. [05:30] no,it's internal [05:30] hda5 [05:30] or try to completely unmount all /dev/hda partition. [05:30] again, just a guess. [05:30] reboot seems an unnecesary req [05:30] yea [05:31] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:31] ok; umnt did a trick; no busy msg [05:31] ty; good guess [05:32] thanks for confirming my guess :) [05:32] yw [05:33] change e3 to swap; add 33g swap :) [05:33] heh [05:33] O_o why would you need swap that big ? [05:33] cant have enuf [05:33] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF128C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:33] heh [05:33] i'd rather wait for swap than for OOM to commit murder [05:34] gui bowsers are pigs [05:34] lol [05:34] OOM ? [05:34] :) [05:34] kernel abortion [05:35] ouch [05:35] out-of-memory tasker killer [05:36] ha, i remembered how a gui pdf reader consumed hundreds of mb. [05:36] ew [05:36] xpdf? [05:36] nope. [05:36] seamonkey is starting to annoy me now [05:36] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:37] quirks and features [05:37] why ? [05:37] the tab bar doesnt shift when it's full [05:37] oh. well, on firefox it is. [05:37] and there's no provision for a dropdown btn to see unshown tabs on the bar [05:38] sea* is child of ffox [05:38] in v2+ [05:39] yeah [05:40] so what's your beef to be here? [05:41] huh ? [05:41] you mean, why i am here ? [05:41] did you have a slack prob to visit? [05:42] nah, i am just an unofficial idler here. [05:42] no one is unoffiskal [05:47] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:49] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:52] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-197-247.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:55] morning :) [05:56] day :-) [06:01] a/win 14 [06:01] ezofh [06:01] I hate this internet connection :) [06:01] hi tux [06:01] john_dee (n=id@95-29-145-42.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:01] morning lQg8, morning tripFantastic :) [06:04] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [06:11] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [06:12] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZO150003.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:15] Torrentow (n=rafalkra@unaffiliated/torrentow) left ##slackware. [06:16] Nick change: lQg8 -> lQg8_ru_RU [06:17] Nick change: lQg8_ru_RU -> lQg8-ru_RU [06:20] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) joined ##slackware. [06:27] Camarade_Tux, your browser 'works'. If you hadn't heard :) [06:27] Could use a few more features though ;) [06:30] hiptobecubic: hehe, thanks :P [06:30] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:30] hiptobecubic: yeah, I'm adding them, I made another build with a few more features and I'm working on it right now (just started today) ;-) [06:31] I'm also going to build a newer webkit with a newer gtk... [06:34] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [06:37] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-241.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:40] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-59-255.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [06:40] I use my slackware 13.0 64 as a print server... [06:41] it works perfectly except that about once a day it stops publishing the printer to the local network [06:41] it is allowed at least one rest break daily per int'l labor laws [06:41] restarting cups fixes the issue... but its a pain, and without knowing the problem I do not want to restart cups with a cron job [06:42] mancha: :) [06:42] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:42] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [06:43] publishing how, exactly? [06:43] in the cups web managment --under printer... there is a publish "button" [06:44] I also checked the cups.conf etc... [06:44] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:44] what protocol i mean [06:45] I get no errors or anything [06:45] mancha, i take my test in 5 hours :X [06:45] ipp [06:46] so on the other machine on the network it uses the url [06:46] ipp://machine:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005_USB_1 [06:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:50] gyroscope (n=master@81.215.21.111) joined ##slackware. [06:51] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:54] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [06:58] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZO150003.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:00] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZO150003.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. 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[07:11] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:11] Sikis_ (n=sikis@97.107.142.142) joined ##slackware. [07:11] Sikis (n=sikis@97.107.142.142) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:11] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:12] hello All, tell me please, how do I make program to start at system startup? I have installed Yakuake, and i tried to add in rc.local "/usr/bin/yakuake/bin/yakuake", but there's no effect :( [07:13] seems that path is dubar [07:13] fubar too [07:13] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:14] what is yakuake? [07:14] dfrank: good luck :) check the kde / xfce startup settings [07:14] mancha: a terminal emulator ,similar to quake game [07:15] mancha: yakuake is an quake-style console [07:15] oh, an X app? [07:15] mancha: yes indeeed [07:15] then it can't be started from rc.local as there's no display to use [07:15] you have to start it once an X server is running [07:16] DEs and WMs usually have settings to autostart applications, which one do you use? [07:16] dfrank, There is an "Autostart" Sectioin in systemsettings for KDE4. [07:16] mancha: KDE4 [07:16] urthwrm (n=hooch@203-206-17-151.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:17] then listen to adamk, i am proudly kde ignorant [07:17] adamk: hmm.. what file is it? [07:17] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:18] mancha: which one do you use? [07:18] dfrank, Hmm? It's not a file. systemsettings is the KDE4 control panel. You can find it the KDE menu or by running 'systemsettings'.w [07:18] cli [07:18] mancha: ;) [07:18] mancha: firefox ? [07:18] lynx [07:19] mancha: i should be really hard to see the images ? isn't ? [07:19] /s/i/it/ [07:19] i don't know [07:20] Action: init[1] nvm ,just poked you :) [07:20] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF128C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [07:21] init, sometimes xfce, sometimes fvwm, often alt-function-keys [07:23] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [07:23] adamk: thank u! successful :) [07:27] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:27] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [07:29] mancha, yakuake is cool [07:30] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:35] Intel releasing I9 - 8 core extreem!!! [07:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csRyylQ33yw [07:37] that deserves a kick upside the hairdo [07:38] is there a way to convert mpc to ogg without losing metadata? [07:39] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:06] hiptobecubic: I think you have to extract the metadata and put it in the mpc again [08:07] s/mpc again/ogg/ [08:07] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:07] which makes me ask: is tehre any good transcoder available? [08:08] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:09] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-250-177.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:10] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-250-177.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:10] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) joined ##slackware. [08:13] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-166-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:13] hi there! [08:14] ashish (n=ashish@117.198.245.44) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:15] hey there [08:16] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] i know that init 4 is GUI on slackware [08:17] but is it that way for all distros? [08:17] cause this book is telling me init 5 is GUI [08:17] some use init3 [08:17] theres really no standard in use :-/ [08:17] and im not shure if its just bullshiting me, or if thats the common GUI init for some linux systems [08:18] beatzz: you look at /etc/inittab to see what they use their runlevels for [08:18] obviously [08:18] yeah the book is out to get you [08:18] as noted, it's not a posix standard that defines that [08:19] so if i see this question on the test? [08:19] should i go w/ the books answer GUI = 5? [08:19] <_abc_> has anyone regenerated a slackware 13 bootable iso? [08:19] or stick w/ the TRUTH that init 4 = gui? [08:19] <_abc_> all the howtos are older than that [08:19] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.200.208) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:19] beatzz: what test? [08:19] CompTIA Linux+ [08:19] yea what test haha [08:19] beatzz: book answer [08:19] ahh^ [08:19] <_abc_> beatzz: you should stick with whatever your system comes with because if you change it later you will be very, very sorry [08:20] when in doubt on a test, go with the book answer that the test was written for [08:20] <_abc_> heh. that's called fudging the answer [08:20] indeed alisonken1home [08:20] 2 hours :X [08:20] unless you can absolutely prove that the book answer was incorrect [08:20] starting to feel the burn [08:21] certs make me laugh :P [08:21] _abc_ regenerated? I create my own iso from rsync with 13.0 and -current all of the time [08:21] <_abc_> umm care to explain the process a little? i have the 13.0 dvd [08:21] <_abc_> and i have a pared down system in a vm and i need to burn that [08:22] <_abc_> as live of yourse [08:22] <_abc_> *course [08:22] sure you do. [08:22] <_abc_> so is there a ready made command i can use or do i follow the ancient howtos [08:22] help me generate an initramfs then :P [08:22] <_abc_> ok, what's your problem? you use the initramfs from the dvd? [08:23] <_abc_> the howto says so [08:23] just an initramfs from scratch. i dont use slackware [08:23] <_abc_> but i am not sure i want that [08:23] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:23] but if u can get slack's to work elsewhere, lets do it [08:23] haha [08:23] <_abc_> CcSsNET: -> mkinitrd command [08:23] <_abc_> see the manpage [08:24] doesnt exist on this distro [08:24] <_abc_> CcSsNET: this is #slackware and i use a pared down slackware 13.0 [08:24] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-176-092.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] <_abc_> for what i am doing now [08:24] any other package names it might be called? [08:24] <_abc_> look for mkinitrd [08:24] _abc_: http://pastebin.ca/1712104 <-- what I use to sync -current and create dvd iso [08:24] initrd and initramfs are difrent though [08:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:25] yup its not here [08:25] ^.^ [08:25] initramfs is the memory space faking a drive, initrd is the runtime environment [08:25] meh ill copy the script out of debian later [08:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:25] its fairly automated on that distro somehow [08:26] it's /sbin/mkinitrd [08:26] <_abc_> alisonken1home: ok, we have a little misunderstanding: i need to make my own slackware based bootable iso [08:26] and since it's a script, you can look at it [08:26] aren't the mkinitrd-s (partly) distro-specific [08:26] ? [08:26] yea. like i said i dont use slackware, i just idle/chat here [08:27] ok - if you look at my script, you can take a tree of slackware-based programs and make that tree into a dvd/cdrom [08:27] <_abc_> yes in a way but not too much [08:27] <_abc_> CcSsNET: -> kickban -> Debian ;) [08:27] lol [08:27] i use sourcemage [08:27] <_abc_> you are a strong disruptive influence [08:27] <_abc_> ;) [08:27] Action: CcSsNET takes that as compliment [08:27] basically same way that /sbin/mkinitrd works except it's a bootable iso rather than a ramdisk/initramfs [08:28] ok well send me your mkinitrd ill look at it :D [08:28] <_abc_> CcSsNET: just get the debian mkinitrd package from debian.org [08:29] <_abc_> search for packages->contains mkinitrd [08:29] meh i did plan on that as stated above ^ [08:29] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:31] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [08:31] CcSsNET does not use slackware? infidel! [08:32] <_abc_> alisonken1home: ok, thanks, i got your script, i will analyze it. its just that it does not deal with the boot order and with the initrd.img [08:32] <_abc_> i need to adapt that a little for my purposes [08:33] in other words, you want to unpack the initrd and see how busybox goes through the boot routine? [08:34] or after the initrd when it switches to the local disk services? [08:37] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@114-45-235-129.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:37] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@114-45-235-129.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:40] if you have a slackware disk, you can start by unpacking /usr/share/mkinitrd/initrd-tree.tar.gz and follow the file "init" up to the point where it does a pivot_root to the hard drive [08:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [08:41] once it does a pivot_root and retriggers init, it follows whatever the /etc/inttab states for starting script [08:42] Action: CcSsNET throws a source mage iso @ Pig_Pen [08:44] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.45.122) left irc: "Leaving" [08:44] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [08:45] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:45] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Hello :) [08:47] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit [08:47] Avalloc (n=_@port-91095.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: No route to host [08:50] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [08:51] JK3MP (n=JK3MP@70-13-227-216.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] <_abc_> what is the exact effect of -no-emul-boot in isofs ? if it does not emulate a drive of any kind then ... what is it ? [08:54] <_abc_> alisonken1home: i will take apart the initrd that came with my distro yes [08:56] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:56] -no-emul-boot is one of the options to mkisofs to tell it it's not booting from a floppy disk [08:56] so you can boot from cd/vd [08:56] dvd [08:58] <_abc_> alisonken1home: is that not the hdd emul option that allows it? [08:58] <_abc_> i have to dig in the image. brb [08:58] Axius (n=fim@92.82.88.119) joined ##slackware. [08:58] from what I gather, it's either/or or a combination of options [09:00] -no-emul-boot (according to the man page for mkisofs) means that the cd image is a working disk image, so emulating disk is not required [09:00] used with El Torito bootable CD stuff [09:01] <_abc_> i do not have cdrecord, only wodim, and it has no -dvd-compat option. what does dvd-compat do ? [09:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.225) left irc: [09:03] cdrecord? [09:03] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [09:03] <_abc_> http://www.mail-archive.com/cdwrite@other.debian.org/msg10476.html [09:03] <_abc_> alisonken1home: i need to burn a cd not a dvd [09:04] you can use cdrecord or cdrdao [09:04] <_abc_> http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/hcn.html [09:04] <_abc_> mancha: i don't have cdrecord [09:05] <_abc_> scratch that i have cdrecord [09:05] that has an obvious solution [09:05] <_abc_> ah cdrecord is a link to wodim ... wodim behaves like cdrecord if called as cdrecord [09:05] "i want a turkey sandwich" -> "don;t have turkey" -> "get turkey" would be the algorithm [09:05] <_abc_> don't be clever, read what i just wrote ... [09:06] dvd-compat for growisofs (nothing to do with cdrecord) is an option that is similar to fixing a disk (closed disk - can slightly increase recording size of dvd) [09:06] <_abc_> of course man cdrecord brings up the wodim page which has no such option ... [09:06] so you're not on slackware, clever man [09:06] <_abc_> alisonken1home: sort of like padding ? [09:06] <_abc_> mancha: the taget of my operation is slackware 13.0, whyt i am using now is not slackware [09:07] <_abc_> but will be soon hopefully [09:07] _abc_ : man growisofs [09:07] not cdrecord option [09:07] <_abc_> i am fed up with c**p package managers and dependency hell [09:07] growisofs does cds? [09:07] <_abc_> alisonken1home: yes, sure [09:07] <_abc_> mancha: yes and wodim does both [09:07] growisofs creates the iso image for cdrecord to copy to cd/dvd [09:08] thats mkdisofs [09:08] er, mkisofs [09:08] <_abc_> huh? [09:08] <_abc_> brb [09:08] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] <_abc_> this is interesting to read wrt -dvd-compat & co: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/hcn.html [09:10] <_abc_> so far my policy has been to avoid dvd+r like the plague and only use dvd-rw in pcs, never in a player. i only put dvd-r in a player. never had trouble with that. [09:11] dvd+r works ok for me at the office when I need to burn an image for our servers - but that's cause I'm also using k3b on my desktop to burn to a decent dvd burner :) [09:11] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [09:12] you must be one of the lucky few for whom k3b works. for me it produces lovely coaster sets :> [09:12] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:13] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.45.122) joined ##slackware. [09:13] I use decent dvd media, have a decent dvd burner :) [09:14] at the moment, though, the office computer is still using kde 3.5 on slamd64 - but the home machine is running slackware64 13.0 with no problems and k3b seems to work as well [09:17] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.1-dev" [09:17] mancha: auto burn speed or do you specify burn speed? [09:17] <_abc_> k3b is very picky about the back-ends. on debian k3b looks for cdrecord and finds the link to wodim, looks at the version headers, and concludes that it's not cdrecord ... too much good -> fail [09:17] hi, I'm using Slackware13. Whenever I feel my hard disk is busy a lot, I notice that a process named kded has taken 1.6GB of VM. When I kill the process nothing happens. So why is it doing that? I'm using XFCE. [09:18] <_abc_> lol [09:18] <_abc_> i'd remove the kded package [09:18] _abc_: you can always tell k3b to use wodim directly [09:18] <_abc_> alisonken1home: i can't [09:18] :) [09:19] ? [09:19] <_abc_> i tried and failed [09:19] remove the kded package? [09:19] alisonken1home i tried it once long ago, it fried my dvd i never used it since :) [09:19] alreadygone, do you use kde? :) [09:19] mancha: well, I've found manually specifying a slower speed usually helped :) [09:20] nope [09:20] well, why install it? :> [09:20] but I do use Ktorrent... [09:20] ah [09:20] <_abc_> alisonken1home: under Settings->Programs growisofs appears not found [09:20] <_abc_> but growisofs is in /usr/bin/growisofs [09:20] will Ktorrent depend on kded? [09:20] _abc_: did you specify full path ? [09:22] <_abc_> alisonken1home: i can't, i inly have a search button to click on [09:22] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] <_abc_> the search path is set correctly [09:23] <_abc_> never mind i will have to upgrade this bucket soon [09:23] <_abc_> has been pulling like a mule for 2 years ;) [09:24] better hurry, we only support debian distribs until 9:30am EST on Saturdays [09:24] mancha: that long? hmmmm - need to reread the contract [09:24] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:24] yeah, bottom of page 3, the small print paragraph [09:25] ah - forgot my glasses on that page [09:25] thrice`, my root partition has about 2GB free space. kded takes up all its memory on my root partition. So my root partition gets critically full. Should not kded use the Swap partition? [09:25] it used to say debian/ubuntu but it was edited [09:25] sounds like your partition also holds your /tmp directory :) [09:26] it does :| [09:26] alreadygone, probably /tmp or so [09:26] <_abc_> yes kde is 'user friendly' like that [09:26] Axius (n=fim@92.82.88.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] alreadygone: see if you can link /tmp to a really large partition (on my machine, it's /home) and see if k3b honors /tmp links [09:27] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:27] thanks alisonken1home. what about k3b? [09:28] can I move my home partition from my root partition to an extended partition? [09:29] sorry, my home directory [09:29] alreadygone: there are some programs (an audio one comes to mind) that was hardcoded to use /tmp for files, but I moved /tmp to /home/tmp and symlinked /home/tmp to /tmp - the audio program screwed with the /tmp symlink [09:29] i see [09:30] well, it would not make any difference since my home directory is on my root drive. [09:30] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [09:31] well, the example was to show that some programs won't honor /tmp as a symlink. in those cases, /tmp either needs to stay as /tmp or make /tmp a separate partition/drive [09:32] and mounted separately [09:32] ah ok [09:33] as far as k3b goes, I haven't had any problems with it yet, so I guess it's doing ok [09:33] especially since I told k3b to use a directory on my big partition as it's working directort [09:33] directory [09:34] k3b does not work properly on my pc. When I write a DVD, it gets stuck at 99%... I've wasted 3-4 DVD on it. [09:35] The official announcement says there are reports of k3b having issues [09:35] did you try specifying a slower burn speed? [09:35] I installed slackware 12 on a separate partition to burn dvds :D [09:35] which is bad [09:35] i know [09:35] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-166-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [09:36] it's known as "getting the work done" :) [09:36] but things are gettin messier as we are going forward [09:36] look at kde4... it's a mess [09:36] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-166-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:36] I had to buy a new pc to use slackware13 [09:36] try xfburn, simplecdrx, burncenter, cdw [09:36] I've got 13.0 running on a 10y/o hp laptop - works fine for me [09:37] all these are alternative small, lightweight burners [09:37] alisonken1home, *with* KDE4? [09:37] alreadygone: yep [09:38] HOW [09:38] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] what is the RAM [09:38] ? [09:38] in tour laptop [09:38] mmm brbr [09:38] my 866 P3 with 384 MB ram choked on slackware13 with KDE4 [09:38] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-166-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Client Quit [09:38] 512M or 1G, have to check again (in the car right now) [09:39] 1.2G processor [09:39] hmm... [09:39] i beat you all with my pentium 200mhz with 128mb edo [09:39] C00re has it :) [09:39] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-166-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:39] back [09:40] I give up... you win C00re [09:40] :) [09:40] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:40] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] i blame kde4 ^ [09:40] old good slack 10.2, dunno how good 13 is with it.. [09:40] C00re: I've got you tied on those specs [09:41] :P [09:42] I tested fbsd on it, and the thing was actually really quick [09:42] Just to test it [09:43] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] <_abc_> i once ran slackware on a i386 33MHz SX with 8MB ram and 120MB disk ;) [09:47] <_abc_> i had X11 booting in about 8 minutes [09:47] lol [09:47] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-166-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:47] i ran damn small linux on similiar hardware [09:47] <_abc_> this was in the 1990s [09:47] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-166-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:48] only issue was, u had to enable math co processor emulation in the kernel [09:48] CcSsNET, I'll download the xfburn package and i'll try it... [09:48] k [09:48] i use burncenter myself [09:48] but any will do ^ [09:48] Action: alreadygone googling burncenter [09:49] CcSsNET, may be k3b is not the problem. May be the the backend program for burning cd/dvd needs updating... [09:50] yea [09:50] burncenter gives big support range for backend [09:50] i use dvdrtools [09:50] but theres others [09:52] well, I'll try burncenter too [09:53] no i'm not [09:53] it has easy-to-use text-based interface [09:53] its command line [09:53] :) [09:54] i like simplecdrx [09:54] its gui [09:54] Action: alreadygone googling simplecdrx [09:54] xfburn i think comes from xfce desktop [09:54] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-241.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:55] it *is* for xfce [09:55] recorder is very nice, too [09:55] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/recorder/ [09:55] but it's not installed in slackware13 I think [09:55] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:57] bashburn! [09:57] is my text color really gray for you guys? or is just settings for my local machine? [09:57] xfburn isn't either :> [09:58] it is extremely gray [09:58] h [09:59] damn... that's not easy on eyes [09:59] aaa [10:00] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:00] what irc client are you using? you should be able to adjust the colors of both the font and background [10:01] xchat [10:01] GammelSokk (n=johskar@130.84-48-46.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [10:01] and a'm looking for the option [10:01] GammelSokk (n=johskar@130.84-48-46.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:02] Avalloc (n=_@port-91095.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [10:03] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:03] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [10:06] i use kde4 and file manager : dolphin (integrated) ; question : how can i open a file foo.doc with wine (with MSoffi) ?ce [10:07] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.45.122) left irc: "Leaving" [10:07] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.45.122) joined ##slackware. [10:08] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-166-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [10:10] <_abc_> there is no /linuxrc in the initrd. what does it do, exec the initrd normally for installation ? [10:10] <_abc_> oh this is the setup initrd [10:11] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.45.122) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:11] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.45.122) joined ##slackware. [10:11] <_abc_> dorin: what does it own with now? [10:11] <_abc_> you need to set the file association [10:12] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "Mwahahahahahahaha :)" [10:12] <_abc_> why are you not using openoffice? [10:12] <_abc_> s/own/open/ [10:12] _abc_: it's the "/init" that does it in the slackware makeinitrd [10:12] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.45.122) left irc: Client Quit [10:13] <_abc_> alisonken1home: so the kernel execs /linuxrc, fails and then tries /init ? [10:13] cuz i get my *doc files written in OFFICE and there is a conversion erroe in some characters (math) [10:13] <_abc_> dorin: what is OFFICE [10:13] <_abc_> m$ office ? [10:13] microsoft office 2003 [10:13] yes [10:13] <_abc_> what happens if you do openoffice Open->set file to m$ office 2003 and then open it ? [10:13] i agree with using open-office, what kind of conversion errors? 2003 should be pretty well supported in 3.1.1 [10:14] <_abc_> first he has to solve his problem ... [10:14] <_abc_> alisonken1home: ok, i am looking into it now [10:15] shame on me: i dont have openoffice installed [10:16] the conversin error are on math expresion (the rest it is fine ) [10:16] <_abc_> dorin: ahh, traitor [10:16] <_abc_> dorin: so what opens it? [10:17] <_abc_> now? [10:17] aren't the math expressions either embedded images or else plain extended fonts? [10:17] depending on whether you used equation-editor or not, i guess [10:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] these exresion are written in eq-editro [10:18] what open now: nothing zuc i screw it [10:18] i think koffice opend it [10:19] this command open an empy file : wine "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\WINWORD.EXE" %f [10:19] dTd (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Success [10:19] if it is equation editor then it's just an embedded image, iirc [10:20] egregor_ (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [10:20] so then do: alias opendoc='wine "C:\Program Files\MicrosoftOffice\OFFICE11\WINWORD.EXE"' [10:21] and then try: opendoc myfile.doc [10:21] <_abc_> dorin: what if you open the file with win using wine "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\WINWORD.EXE" path/to/your/file.doc ? [10:21] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:21] <_abc_> dorin: do you have a windows installation and is the unix home directory mapped to a drive letter in windows? [10:22] that alias: where i put it .bashrc ? [10:22] .bash_profile [10:23] er, maybe .bashrc since i assume you use interactive shells [10:23] _abc_ in terminal i have an alias and it work just fine ,but in kde it is the problem [10:23] nono: i want that kde to open those *doc files [10:23] terminal/console work nice [10:24] Rafael (n=UNIX@189.58.5.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:24] dorin for kde to do it you'd have to specify the "helper app" or similar in kde's default file manager [10:24] i am not familiar with kde [10:25] i.e. so you can click the icon on a desktop say and Word from inside Wine starts up [10:26] i have this command in openwith: wine "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\WINWORD.EXE" %f [10:26] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [10:26] but it oppens an empty file [10:26] doc file (but emty) [10:27] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:27] the %f is only used in the kde settings - for a.bashrc you don't use %f, the aias is for the program [10:27] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [10:28] odrin can you right click a .doc file and use open with and then have it remember the association? [10:30] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-225.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:34] linXea__ (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:38] pat does not patch upstream sources except for security updates [10:38] <_abc_> except ram on the host [10:39] <_abc_> well then the manpage for initrd needs patching ... [10:39] pretty much - initr's are supposed to be just enough go get you into your hard drive [10:39] <_abc_> this is not the first time i have to read the kernel sources to find out reality [10:39] What part of the man page is incorrect _abc_ [10:42] \o/ TB 3 compile complete yay ... [10:43] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:44] <_abc_> alienBOB: man 4 initrd BOOT UP OPERATION :: point 5, unless point 4 applies for the install kernels in slackware. does it? [10:44] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:45] _abc_: that man page is from upstream... [10:46] init[1]: PV just updated Thunderbird in -current to 3.0 FYI. [10:46] _abc_: on what version of Slackware are you reading "man initrd" ? 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[10:48] Budd^: i had to disable certain things , main problem with TB compile was that i have to --enable-static , crap ,no idea why it doesn't use sharedlibs [10:48] Dominian: ^ [10:48] hitest: yeah its a bit different [10:48] <_abc_> alienBOB: Dominian i confirmed that the manpage is identical to what i was reading on 13.0 and that's my case [10:49] _abc_: Well, the point is.. those man pages aren't written by Pat [10:49] _abc_: they come from upstream developers etc. [10:49] <_abc_> so is rdev still safe to use on a kernel? and, what do i use to read out the set kernel [10:49] Dominian: gah...typo. sorry for the name mis-spell. okay. going to boot into my -current partition on my other box, give it a try:) [10:50] <_abc_> Dominian: look, if pat does not patch the kernels, and the manpage comes from the people who write it then something's wrong because the initrd process in the kernel does not read /linuxrc at all [10:50] <_abc_> capish ? [10:50] _abc_: You can be an ass all you want, my point stands.. the man pages aren't written by PV.. bitch at the upstream developers [10:50] <_abc_> and the only way all this still can be right is if the root device is set to /dev/ram0 in install kernels on slackware [10:50] <_abc_> because then pt. 4 applies in the initrd manpage [10:51] _abc_: linuxrc is _one_ option - if you read closer, you'[ll see that linuxrc is one file it looks for - not the only file it looks for [10:51] exactly [10:51] <_abc_> so WHAT does one use instead of rdev or whith rdev to read the selected root device in a kernel on slackware ? [10:53] not saying anything is borked in this particular case, but the logic "something is broken in my distrib" -> "bitch to upstream" is fail [10:53] <_abc_> alisonken1home: Dominian yes, but the order it tries things in is important when there are several options. man initrd seems to say that if the root device is /dev/ram0 in the kernel image then it will *not* read /linuxrc (point 4 and 5) [10:53] _abc_: the man page for initrd is correct - a /linuxrc will be executed [10:53] <_abc_> so i am now past that point and looking for a way to look what the selected root device is on slackware install (and non install) kernels [10:54] However, Slackware's initrd.gz is a n initramfs - and there , the file which gets run is called /init [10:54] <_abc_> because i have to select that [10:54] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] <_abc_> alienBOB: yes, it is. is an initramfs handled differently from a normal root device used as an initrd? [10:55] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Connection timed out [10:55] _abc_: that is what I am trying to tell you [10:55] <_abc_> ah [10:55] Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd instead of that man page if you want to know more [10:56] <_abc_> so then /linuxrc will *never* be executed on an initrd of type initramfs (cpio|gz) ? [10:57] _abc_: I fail to see why I should spend time to think about that [10:57] In Slackware, we use an initramfs, and Slackware has a script called init [10:57] Period [10:58] Dominian: TB3 is very sweet indeed. it auto-detected, set-up my IMAP, SMTP settings for gmail. very cool:) [10:58] hitest: aye :) [10:58] Action: init[1] wow i have hitest my TB buddy :p [10:58] hitest: I had to grab a nightly build of lightning and the google calendar extension to get my calendar sync back [11:00] zLh6a0oK (n=cBt7e5eN@242-244-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] <_abc_> alienBOB: so if the init script used in slackware ends, then the kernel will go on and boot another 'real' root device as shown in the man 4 initrd page ? [11:01] is kernel.org delivering kernels as bz2.bz2 (compressed.compressed) or is it something at my end? [11:03] linXea__ (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] <_abc_> is the presence of README_SPLIT.txt in isolinux/ on the Slackware 13.0 dvd a mistake? [11:07] hmmm... download manager added .bz2(x2) instead of temporarily handling the partial as .part [11:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:09] l_n (n=shawn@tuxhacker/lordnothing) joined ##slackware. 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[11:13] <_abc_> alisonken1home: which one are you talking about [11:14] http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1810 [11:14] Action: Camarade_Tux starts loading noobfarm [11:14] _abc_: obviously - if /init in ramfs is a link to /bin/busybox - you need to go to the busybox website and see what busybox does when it's called as "init" [11:14] i'm not the one telling people to go to #lvm, twice while in #lvm.. [11:15] lol [11:15] Action: Camarade_Tux is done loading noobfarm... [11:15] <_abc_> alisonken1home: well i can almost guess what it does, i was reading /etc/inittab ... [11:15] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[11:30] =) [11:30] w00tw00t! [11:30] Camarade_Tux, passing scorse = 675 [11:30] i got 675 [11:30] :O [11:31] xD [11:31] "askfirst" option to the getty program means that the screen is not used until someone hits a key, _then_ it asks for a login [11:31] or whatever it's going to do [11:33] Neit (n=_@port-91095.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [11:33] _abc_ : remember, these options are for the init program that's running - so if you have a question about options, you should be looking at the man page for that program - in this case, the "init" program of busybox is where you'll find those options [11:34] urthwrm (n=hooch@203-206-17-151.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:34] urthwrm (n=hooch@203-206-17-151.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:34] kitche_ (i=kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:35] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-241.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:39] Steaki (n=steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:39] <_abc_> alisonken1home: i know i did the same 14 years ago. now it's V2.0 ;) [11:39] beatzz: but tbh, those certs are worthless, but they help you learn somethings that you might not already know. CCNA/CCNE is probably a good one to get.. maybe a MCSE also. [11:40] beatzz: i got my comptia A+/Net+ and no one cared... Now that it's been a while, i can see why. [11:40] MCDE [11:40] MCSE rather [11:40] _abc_: i'll leave that up to you or someone else :) [11:41] what's the MS beginning one, MPA? MP something... That's worthless too. [11:41] l_n (n=shawn@tuxhacker/lordnothing) left irc: "foo" [11:41] _abc_: boot sequence hasn't changed much since v0.X :) [11:42] <_abc_> MSCE. i think someone frowned at them because the last E is Engineer and that's a regulated profession many places [11:42] Rafael (n=UNIX@189.114.188.184) joined ##slackware. [11:42] l_n (n=user@tuxhacker/lordnothing) joined ##slackware. [11:42] <_abc_> i think it stands for m$ certified engineer [11:42] yep [11:43] <_abc_> which suggests that the bearer might know more than how to reboot a machine (thus possibly misleading the public - now i a just being evil) [11:43] <_abc_> +m [11:43] <_abc_> +m [11:44] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.169.199) joined ##slackware. [11:44] <_abc_> alisonken1home: the boot sequence has changed 'a little' but once upon a time there was no busybox, initrd had ash and all that, and no strange inittab option called askfirst [11:45] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.169.199) left irc: Client Quit [11:45] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF128C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:46] you know, i'll never understand why people get all pissy about using the word engineer. When ever i see someone complaining about it, it always seems petty to me. However i can see how in somethings no one should be called an engineer... [11:46] but a title is just that.. a title.. it doesn't really matter. [11:46] "Sanitation Engineer" <--- garbage truck operator :) [11:46] That's a kick ass title! [11:47] Domestic Engineer.. [11:47] _abc_: "hasn't changed _much_" - the sequence is still about the same, only some of the programs that are used have changed [11:47] somebody listened to Rosanna Barr :) [11:47] although with her it was "Domestic Goddess" [11:47] agentc0re, for shure, i understand that. [11:48] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:48] agentc0re, this certification was more of a personal acomplishment than anything [11:48] zLh6a0oK (n=cBt7e5eN@165-229-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Nick change: zLh6a0oK -> lQg8 [11:49] so chromium on linux has just got a ton better with extensions now. i got some ones that are awesome, instant url to bit.ly conversion that goes straight to your copy cache. [11:49] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-59-255.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:49] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.211.203) joined ##slackware. [11:50] beatzz: Cool man! I'm not ripping on you or anything, not trying to make you feel insignificant or anything either. Hope you didn't take it that way. :D [11:50] nope, its all good :D [11:50] well, "Engineer" to me typically means someone can design something that works well - not someone that knows how to push a button [11:52] alisonken1home: i would translate it the same way. However you get a real engineer in here, ie someone who designs actual components, and he/she will tell you that there is no such thing as a network engineer(ie: someone who figures out the best arrangement of where switches go and how to route. etc. etc.) [11:52] agentc0re: true [11:53] i think what it all boils down to is someone who things they are the shiznit because they went to school for 8-10 years and that their title shouldn't just be given away to someone who only has work experience. [11:53] lQg8-ru_RU (n=cBt7e5eN@242-244-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:53] it started when someone thought that their title was demeaning - like "Garbage Man" for the trash truck driver [11:53] sahk0 (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-129-9.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:54] sanitation engineer [11:55] I think that's half the story. I think it started with someone who wanted to be on the "upper class" because he/she went to school for so long and was better than all of us low lifes. [11:55] NoNyM42 (n=NoNyM42@inguera.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:55] so it started before the garbage man. he just benefited from the idiots that started it. [11:56] You know this all reminds me of a /. story i saw about some noob asking if he should change the titles in his company he was going to start working with from (IT) to Systems engineer or something like that because he had just gotten out of school. [11:56] stand by for link... [11:57] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-166.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [11:58] http://bit.ly/8Lmaa0 [11:59] askhader (n=askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:00] http://bit.ly/6CB1NI LMAO!!! i knew that this was going to be coming, i just knew it!! hahahaha [12:00] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Success [12:01] hah - good one [12:01] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] I still like that the canadian version of the RIAA is getting sued - for $B US [12:03] caixabox_ (n=caixabox@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] i think the next step is to sue the the main DNS holders... aren't some of them hosted by the government? i mean, if they'd just remove their dns entries people would have a hard time finding them... and they could also add entries pointing to a loopback. [12:03] alisonken1home: oh yes, that's a good one for sure! [12:04] actually, the DNS hosters are contract civilian companies for some time now - they just had government oversight [12:04] however i bet they get out of it, which will set the course for anyone else that the riaa tries to go after. [12:04] Ah. i thought that some of the root dns's were government servers. [12:05] regardless, they should still be sued! all of them! :P [12:05] haha [12:05] :) [12:07] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:07] <_abc_> alisonken1home: blackwater is also a civilian company which has some exclusive government contracts ... [12:08] huskell (n=huskell@p5B0EED71.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] <_abc_> alisonken1home: inetresting here is the trick about askfirst ... i don't remember being asked to press enter when running the install dvd ?! http://linuxembedded.blogspot.com/2006/11/understanding-busybox-inittab.html [12:10] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:12] <_abc_> ok i got it, the askfirst is on the ttys the console runs as is [12:12] <_abc_> i.e. with respawn [12:12] _abc_: "askfirst" is about the terminal, not running the install dvd. just like "respawn" means if /sbin/agetty dies due to logout, it tells init to restart /sbin/agetty again on the same terminal [12:12] the askfirst option just means don't initialize the console until an input action has been initiated first [12:12] <_abc_> alisonken1home: sure it's just i did not remember seeing the press enter to continue message, with good reason [12:13] <_abc_> i thus wisely conclude that if init would exit in the initrd then the kernel would continue on and boot the real-root ? [12:13] <_abc_> because that's what i really want [12:14] _abc_: for what you want, follow the initrd created when you run "mkinitrd" for your live system, then you can follow where the root is changed from initramfs to your real root drive and continues from there [12:14] <_abc_> i just need initrd to set the real root device and go on [12:15] <_abc_> alisonken1home: i see [12:15] the install initrd is specialized for an install cd/dvd, not a live system [12:16] I modified the boot initrd because I wanted a system that stayed in the initrd and ran from the initrd rather than going to the hard drive when I was playing with it [12:16] needless to say, it was a specialized initrd I was working on :) [12:16] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:20] <_abc_> very interesting, locate says there is no busybox yet mkinitrd found it and i can't see where from O.o [12:21] <_abc_> running updatedb [12:21] <_abc_> fingers crossed [12:21] _abc_: busybox is included in mkinitrd package iirc [12:21] <_abc_> yes but locate is not shy about finding it anyway?! [12:21] What do you mean? [12:21] _abc_ : it's part of /usr/share/mkinitrd/initrd-tree.tar.gz [12:21] <_abc_> i mean if it's on the disk locate should have found it [12:21] you mean in /usr/doc? [12:21] <_abc_> is it packed somewhere ? [12:22] oh.. no idea [12:22] which is what mkinitrd uses to create a pristine initrd tree for assembling [12:22] <_abc_> Dominian: no i mean likely in wherever lib mkinitrd's dependencies live [12:22] <_abc_> i was surprised mkinitrd worked right [12:22] There is no busybox on an installed Slackware [12:22] _abc_: /usr/share/mkinitrd directory [12:22] <_abc_> i already know that [12:22] It's only inside the initrd [12:23] Dominian: nope - /usr/share/mkinitrd directory [12:23] alisonken1home: yeah.. I have no clue [12:23] :) [12:24] _abc_: the more you talk here, the more I am convinced you have _no_ idea what you are talking about. Do the research _first_ [12:24] <_abc_> yes all of mkinitrd's secrets are in /usr/share/mkinitrd/initrd.tar.gz, well hidden from locate [12:24] stamp (n=stamp@chello089073017116.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:24] _abc_: mkinitrd is a bash script, so it's easy to follow how it creates an initrd [12:24] alienBOB: so I noticed :) [12:25] <_abc_> alienBOB: i am just a stupid guy who usually solves problems without asking. now i'm trying it with dialogue. from the way it works, i think i prefer the silent version [12:25] but I had an itch and had to learn the hard way as well [12:25] Thinking outloud sometimes is a bad thing. [12:25] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:25] <_abc_> no, being answered in a certain way when thinking out loud is what is a bad thing [12:25] <_abc_> especially on a channel which is supposedly on topic and helpful in explorations of this kind [12:26] actually, I like dialog - if you loop mount the iso, you can find the slackware setup scripts to see a good working example of how dialog works [12:26] loop mount ftw [12:26] <_abc_> ;) [12:26] _abc_: it wouldn't be a proper support channel with a little bit of sarcasm [12:26] er.. without [12:26] damn it [12:26] heh [12:26] :) [12:26] <_abc_> the iso is loop mounted and the initrd was extracted from there and dissected. now i am working on the mkinitrd generated one [12:28] JK3MP (n=JK3MP@70-13-227-216.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:29] need an opinion; getting ready to upgrade from 11 (yeah, i'm slow on the uptake -- that's not what i want an opinion on): can those using 13 give a few compelling reasons to choose it over 12.2? [12:29] kde4 [12:29] for whatever reason, i dread KDE4 [12:29] lol [12:29] that alone is a huge reason to update [12:29] nice eviljames [12:29] you like KDE4? [12:29] hahahah all the "horror stories" you read in reviews are pretty much false [12:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [12:30] I've been using kde4 since alpha days off and on, switching between kde3 and [12:30] Once Slackware 13 got released, there was no reason for me to keep building, keep switching. kde4 (imho) is great [12:30] trimmer (n=trimmer@71-213-237-159.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: "Haha, you quit!" [12:30] okay, KDE4 as a plus... anything else? [12:31] xorg [12:31] particularly if you have an intel driver [12:31] updated; noted [12:31] the xorg stack does not usually need an xorg.conf file anymore.. [12:31] and a third reason (just because advice should come in threes)? [12:31] hoobop: try -current rather than 13.0. KDE 4 was upgraded to 4.3 [12:31] better? [12:32] because (version++ > version) [12:32] abnorma| (n=xtreme@77-105-29-102.adsl-3.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. [12:32] from reviews - 4.3 has improvements over 4.2 [12:32] man, i'm really ambivalent about KDE4 [12:32] yeah, -current is definitely worth it [12:32] hoobop: get the hang of it, try some stuff out. don't be a knee-jerk reactionary who says "It isn't kde3 so it sucks!" [12:32] 4.3.4 of KDE fixed some plasma issues [12:32] <_abc_> give me a good reason for 'grep -Rl pivot_root /boot/initrd-tree/' freezing a machine like tuna ? [12:32] I'm runnig -current on a server - without X because gui is not needed on a server - but so far looks good [12:32] thanks Dominian [12:33] i just tried to explain DNS to the wife... wow, that was hard. [12:33] hoobop: no problem [12:33] thanks alisonken1home [12:33] <_abc_> i suspect it has to do with what's under dev/ there but should it ? [12:33] hoobop: I'm running kde 4.3.4 now.. its a big improvement over 4.2 [12:33] eviljames, thanks [12:33] _abc_: good guess [12:33] <_abc_> any way to avoid it ? [12:33] agentc0re: how was that hard? "DNS is like a giant phone book. When your computer wants to talk to somewhere, you give it a name. DNS looks it up, and gets the number. Your computer contacts the number." [12:33] <_abc_> reads should not be destructive but blocking on read might be [12:33] _abc_: find the starting script and grep that one script only [12:33] <_abc_> alisonken1home: ok [12:34] eviljames: she thought that only computers had ip addresses and not websites and all that other stuff too. she just doesn't care about it either so it that makes it harder to understand that stuff. [12:34] _abc_: /dev (even in initrd-tree) still tries to access hardware [12:34] <_abc_> alisonken1home: bah i should loop mount it -nodev ;) [12:34] <_abc_> -o nodev [12:34] agentc0re: my gal prefers slackware to windows. [12:34] eviljames: i face the same thing with my doctors at work. they don't want to learn how to click a button but yet they want it to happen faster than the speed of light. [12:34] doesn't matter - /dev directory is still using device entries [12:35] even if it's in a subdirectory [12:35] <_abc_> alisonken1home: if you mount it with loop ... -o nodev they are just files [12:35] agentc0re: and rubes will be rubes, always. I have to tell someone in my office to connect to the VPN _every_ _day_ without fail. [12:35] anyway - off to do stuff. back later [12:35] eviljames: My wife is an engineer. She designs medical equipment... She has no interest in computer "stuff" at all. I tried to get her to use slackware once... that ended poorly. [12:35] agentc0re: "Why can't I connect to the network drives?" "Are you on the VPN?" ... "It works now." [12:35] Neit (n=_@port-91095.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:35] every day [12:35] lol [12:35] hahaha [12:36] <_abc_> eviljames: can't you automate that ? [12:36] _abc_: I'm sure I _could_, the question is, do I want to? And, even if I wanted to, I work for a software/content company. Shouldn't our staff know how a computer works? [12:36] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:36] <_abc_> agentc0re: in general the public does not want to know about computers. having more than one button and no [Enter] key is already stressing [12:37] <_abc_> my cousin once asked me how to program games (his experience consisted in playing them) [12:37] hah, yeah. that question is always entertaining [12:37] "How do you program games?" "Learn C." "What's C?" [12:38] "C came after A and B." - if you can get away with leaving it at that you're golden. [12:38] <_abc_> where do you start with such things? remember Einstein's jocular explanation about how wireless telegraphy works? pulling a cat's tail makes it meow. wireless is exactly like that, except there is no cat. I loved that one. [12:38] _abc_: well if he's young, that's a great aspiration. I hope he takes it somewhere. It's like wanting to be an astronaut. [12:38] ugh [12:38] agentc0re: why. [12:38] why did you bring up my dream of being an astronaut? [12:38] <_abc_> he went to university that year, CS. 6 months later dropped out, didn't like it. [12:38] I have bad eyes. I need glasses. No space for me. [12:39] eviljames: pfft, that's not your dream. You're dream is.... [12:39] wait for it..... [12:39] wait for IT!!!!! [12:39] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] <_abc_> eviljames: if you play with explosives you could become an astronaut. briefly. [12:39] TIMECUBE BREWERY!! [12:39] That is dream #2. I had to change dreams after realizing that there's no chance of me being an astronaut without heavy explosives. [12:40] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] <_abc_> eviljames: yes, basically a 100kg man flying into space does so on account of about 30,000 kg of explosives going off under his @ss [12:41] where is a good place to buy a home stereo amplifier? [12:41] pi31415: radio shack [12:41] <_abc_> pi31415: how much money have you got? [12:41] eviljames: seriously? I thought radio shack was a front for verizon now [12:41] <_abc_> eviljames: and i mean the real ones [12:41] oh it might be in the states [12:41] it used to be that radio shack in Canada was the place to get Technics gear [12:41] <_abc_> eviljames: not the backyard experimenters, i.e. nasa etc [12:41] eviljames: same here... that changed a long time ago though. [12:42] that's too bad :/ [12:42] pi31415: what's your spending limit on an amp? [12:42] Action: eviljames <- former Radio Shack store manager. [12:42] eviljames: hahah [12:42] I was the guy who could answer well-phrased questions about resistors :P [12:42] <_abc_> eviljames: youre in canada ? [12:42] _abc_: yessir. [12:42] <_abc_> eviljames: i was under the strong impression that rs was taken over by circuit city? [12:42] _abc_ back in 2000 I bought my brother's amplifier before he moved to Japan, a Sony he got in the early 90's.. the left speakers stopped working and I verified with an ohm meter that it is the amplifier. It has big scary capacitors near where the terminals are soldered into the board, I'm afraid to mess with it. <=) [12:42] <_abc_> which is now that other company i forget? [12:43] _abc_: afaik, Radio Shack Canada (aka InterTan for "International Tandy") was bought by Circuit City. which eventually went bankrupt [12:43] lol [12:43] <_abc_> pi31415: take it to service, if it's a good brand it's worth fixing [12:43] _abc_: RS Canada was then sold to Bell Canada. [12:43] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF128C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [12:43] And, oddly, are the primary dealers of Rogers cell phones (Bell's nemesis) [12:43] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:43] eviljames: ehh.. Tandy!? hahaha. uno momento. you reminded me of an awesome song. :D [12:43] <_abc_> eviljames: and right now someone bought cc but i don't know who [12:44] _abc_: I wasn't aware that anyone had bought CC [12:44] Then again, I'm out of the electronics store game :P [12:44] <_abc_> well they still exist. [12:44] I remember when Best Buy bought Future Shop... hoo boy, we got a lot of business because people wouldn't go to FS for the reason: "It's too american now" [12:44] 1 day after BB bought FS [12:44] <_abc_> 5 weeks ago i was in a cc in TO ;) in several in fact. no signs of takedown and good prices [12:45] <_abc_> eviljames: lol that's a canuck thing [12:45] <_abc_> definitely [12:45] hahahah [12:45] eviljames, i got that a.c. slater autograph you wanted [12:45] epic [12:45] eviljames: http://bit.ly/71tiCZ i couldn't just find the song without some video to go along with it. Wait for the tandy part, it's great! :D [12:46] first, it's puff puff (no pass) time [12:46] THEN I watch the video [12:46] maybe I can do all of this at the same time... [12:46] come with me to the balcony, folks. [12:46] eviljames: multitask! :D [12:46] haha [12:46] abnorma| (n=xtreme@77-105-29-102.adsl-3.sezampro.yu) left irc: "E-mail returned to sender: insufficient voltage." [12:47] <_abc_> yes but in it having 4 pairs of hands like that indian deity is not helpful. however, having 7 heads like a dragon could help a bit [12:47] <_abc_> what script do you use to post tinyurls? [12:47] I just pictured a hydra smoking 7 joints. [12:47] <_abc_> agentc0re: [12:47] Action: eviljames is hungover, leave me be [12:48] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.211.203) left irc: "Leaving" [12:48] <_abc_> lol, no i meant *clear* heads, to help with it work [12:48] _abc_: it's not a script, an extension for chromium. [12:48] <_abc_> sorry for the misunderstanding [12:48] <_abc_> agentc0re: ok [12:49] _abc_: do you use chromium? [12:49] <_abc_> there must be a script, i already have the pastebin script for bash [12:49] <_abc_> no i dont [12:49] <_abc_> i prefer it to be cli usually my environment is so cluttered i don't run grphics, besides kde [12:49] abnorma| (n=xtreme@77-105-29-102.adsl-3.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. [12:49] <_abc_> i <3 console [12:49] caixabox_ (n=caixabox@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: "ZzZZZZzzZ" [12:50] Action: eviljames <3 konsole [12:51] Action: agentc0re <3 ( . )( . ) [12:51] <_abc_> hehe [12:51] <_abc_> i didn't know that ascii art, good one [12:51] agentc0re: good call, gonna go squeeze a pair right now [12:51] i'll report back on how that goes [12:52] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [12:52] <_abc_> james -> /.\ ( . ) [12:52] lol [12:53] didn't go well. apparently i'm only allowed to squeeze if i don't wake her up while doing so [12:54] <_abc_> wget -O - http://tinyurl.com/api-create.php?url=thelongandhairyurl [12:54] <_abc_> this does it [12:55] i wish people would get into the habit of using dickensurl [12:55] <_abc_> what is that ? [12:55] turns an ugly url into a dickens quote! magnifique! [12:55] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[12:58] <_abc_> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK [12:58] <_abc_> Length: 26 [text/plain] [12:58] <_abc_> http://tinyurl.com/yz8rfo5 [12:58] <_abc_> 0K 100% 1.14 MB/s [12:58] <_abc_> 19:58:25 (1.14 MB/s) - `-' saved [26/26] [12:58] <_abc_> oops wget -q would be better i think [12:58] failed your test there [12:59] i'm kinda surprised you didn't get kicked [12:59] <_abc_> i'm kinda surprised myself [12:59] <_abc_> god bless the queen and irssi which takes care of floods for me [12:59] whoa... wow. [13:00] eviljames: did you listen to Kompressor? [13:00] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:00] agentc0re: not that i recall [13:00] Action: eviljames is really bad at multi tasking.. [13:00] ok we're on the balcony now [13:00] ah. [13:01] <_abc_> eviljames: on the balcony? in canada? in december? you must be desperate. [13:01] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-166.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [13:01] i live in vancouver [13:01] <_abc_> oh [13:01] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:01] moved here about 3 years ago from EDMONTON <- yes, there on the balcony in december i would be desperate [13:01] <_abc_> so youre chatting on your crackberry? [13:02] laptop [13:02] <_abc_> i use wlirc quite often [13:02] let's check the weather in Edmonton right now [13:02] oh -30C you say? [13:02] <_abc_> is it? [13:02] yep [13:02] <_abc_> barf [13:02] and that's the high for tomorrow [13:02] <_abc_> lol [13:02] brrrr [13:02] -40 or worse for the next week [13:02] suckers [13:02] hitest: aren't you up north somewhere too? [13:03] eviljames: yep. in Prince Rupert. quite close to Alaska [13:03] hitest: lol, can you see Russia? :P [13:03] hah [13:04] hehe.....I'm not sure I'll call Sarah to double check [13:04] <_abc_> Sarah? [13:04] you know what I think is the scariest part of all those bush/palin "misspeaks?" [13:05] <_abc_> eviljames: ? [13:05] the scariest part is that they are reading from a teleprompter the whole time. it's scripted to make you think they're that stupid. [13:05] it has to be. nobody could possibly be as retarded as palin sounds. [13:05] <_abc_> you are joking right? [13:06] <_abc_> i understand that um people of significant standing unfortunately take the liberty to rephrase what's on the teleprompter [13:06] _abc_: vague Sarah Palin reference:) [13:06] <_abc_> with unfortunate consequences (see under Bush) [13:06] Fool me once, shame on ... ? [13:06] eviljames, you know on fox? theres on lady that acts so dumb, but then Jon Stewart did a little investigation, and she is super smart, just acting dumb [13:06] :P\ [13:06] tank-man: that's how the right wing loves their women: blonde, blue, and subserviant. [13:07] <_abc_> right wing? [13:07] <_abc_> what right wing. [13:07] is it wrong to say that fox news is a right wing news organization? [13:07] <_abc_> the only difference i could see between dems and reps was that ones hated churches and the others went to them often [13:08] _abc_: I hope you're only joking [13:08] <_abc_> hitest: no [13:08] <_abc_> i worked in equipment, av studio etc and i know real cases. [13:08] well, I laughed [13:08] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:08] if the dems hated church so much I'd find it easier to get on their side [13:08] <_abc_> i did not write 'much' [13:09] l_n (n=user@tuxhacker/lordnothing) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] <_abc_> and i was quite shocked to see how hard it is to get hold of a bottle of good booze in toronto [13:09] ugh, it sucks outside. 1C with 90+% relative humidity is really cold [13:10] <_abc_> is all of canada like that? hypocritically pretending it's not dry because the lcbos are open a few hours a day? [13:10] really? try going to BC. liquor stores close at 9pm, some bars can do off-sale until 11, only off-sale stores can be open on sunday... [13:10] <_abc_> eviljames: omg [13:10] it's like a bunch of puritans are running the nanny-state [13:10] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:11] we're 26F now [13:11] <_abc_> i'm from europe, everyone drinks like sponges. i bought a bottle of wine just coming home across the street [13:11] there's no 6 pack after the bar.. you have to make sure you're stocked up at home beforehand, otherwise you're screwed [13:11] <_abc_> eviljames: i know. [13:11] agentc0re: n.cal? that's cold for your neighborhood [13:11] <_abc_> i did not realize that when i went there first [13:11] eviljames: utah. [13:12] <_abc_> oh its hot then ;) [13:12] <_abc_> lol [13:12] -3C and feels like, -8C [13:12] <_abc_> and it should be colder, right? [13:12] oh, odd, dunno why i thought that.. [13:12] http://bit.ly/4Flllv [13:12] eviljames: antiwire is in n.cal i think. [13:13] yeah, i'm pretty sure he is.. maybe i just can't keep a-names straight :P [13:13] <_abc_> i just realized pat is in kentucky. i could not suppress certain stereotypes which popped in my mind ... that sort of explains the duct-and-baling wire character of slackware a bit, no ? ;) [13:13] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:14] <_abc_> i can almost imagine pat sitting in a recliner among chickens and rusting cars and hacking away at slackware ;) [13:14] <_abc_> sorry it's just a stereotype [13:16] if that were true it would endear me to slackware more [13:16] i think Pat V. live near Sacramento Calif [13:16] hopefully no chickens were hurt in the construction of that stereotype [13:16] anyone updated xine-lib to 1.1.17? [13:16] <_abc_> well morehead.edu is in KY [13:16] does pat v have a southern drawl? *hopes so* [13:16] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-75-61.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [13:16] <_abc_> http://www.moreheadstate.edu/aboutmsu/ [13:17] oh snap, http://bit.ly/564zIA haha. [13:17] <_abc_> but the term 'morehead' is also interesting, with one o [13:18] Action: hitest wanders outside for a stroll...be back later [13:20] if gnome split from the GNU project it would improve the GNU project, gnome sucks! [13:20] <_abc_> in your opinion, did embedded linux providers base their developments on slackware? it sure looks a lot like it. f.ex. monta vista. [13:20] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [13:20] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF128C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:22] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] slashdot is lagging pretty slow today, that is unusal for slashdot [13:26] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [13:27] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:28] dear All. i adding a module wl.ko to my kernel, blablabla, after all: "depmod && modprobe wl". After it "lsmod | grep wl" returns that module are in the kernel. But after reboot this module disappears :( what should I do for save module? [13:28] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [13:29] damn xine-lib-1.1.17 doesnt build with internal ffmpeg [13:31] dfrank, add it to rc.local, as in "/sbin/insmod /wherever/whatever module" perhaps? [13:31] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Connection timed out [13:32] or /sbin/modprobe or similar [13:32] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [13:32] is anyone here? [13:34] no, never [13:35] nope, like fire|bird says [13:35] When do you sleep ? [13:35] all slack guys [13:35] hoobop: u mean, "modprobe wl" needs to be added every time? [13:35] good point. i see fire|bird all hours haha [13:35] haha [13:35] CcSsNET: I'm online for 17, and sleep 7 :P [13:35] me 2 [13:35] dfrank, no; quite the opposite: put it in rc.local as a way of automating it at startup [13:35] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] No, what's the time to sleep? [13:36] 1:00 night? [13:36] 4am? [13:36] Action: Alt_of_Ctrl Alguem conhece um serviço de put@s ao domicilio? [13:36] I don't go to sleep until 03:00 [13:36] dfrank: adding a line similar to: "/sbin/modprobe wl" should do the trick [13:36] no wait, thats just my usual haha [13:36] you can even add config lines there [13:37] mupi__ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:38] fire|bird: Have you been banned? [13:38] hoobop: yep, i got it :) i just thought that a module adding once, and there's no need to adding it every time system starts ;) [13:38] no [13:38] fire|bird: I have seen "fire|bired" before 2 months or so [13:39] hoobop: "depmod" is not neccessary before "modprobe wl" ? [13:39] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.77.171) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Soul_keeper, how does it feel? lol [13:39] i haven't had to go that route, dfrank [13:39] Kidpunkx, shut up you troll [13:39] try the above first [13:39] Has anyone here set up bind on slackware 14? [13:39] 14 doesn't exist [13:39] has anyone seen slackware 14? [13:39] latest is 13 [13:39] Soul_keeper, huh? [13:39] slackware 13 [13:40] Kidpunkx, stop mass inviting [13:40] ? 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[14:00] donnie (n=DonnieP@166.199.56.182) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] <_abc_> Alt_of_Ctrl: how desperate are you to post that question in this channel ? ;) [14:04] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:04] Action: _abc_ notices that Alt_of_Ctrl does not have a cloak and his full name is on /whois [14:04] stfu [14:04] already [14:04] _abc_, lol [14:04] _abc_, it was /ame in another network [14:05] xchat show on all networks [14:05] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] <_abc_> thought so, but it wasn't really there, it was here [14:05] sorry [14:06] <_abc_> so do you people think that monta vista and other embedded linuxes started life as spinoffs of slackware or another distribution? [14:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:06] _abc_: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeechat [14:06] <_abc_> huh? [14:06] affinity (n=frank@c-67-184-241-100.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] ozan (n=ozan@94.54.76.77) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Alt_of_Ctrl: you'll find that using /ame will get you banned in many channels. [14:08] <_abc_> thumbs: more to the point asking for a callgirl service will get you banned no matter how you send it [14:09] hey [14:09] how do u understand portuguese? [14:09] :P [14:09] I can read Spanish and Portugese [14:09] Alt_of_Ctrl: puto [14:09] /ame? I'll have to look that up [14:09] anyway [14:09] <_abc_> does it matter now? [14:09] or /help ame... [14:10] fatalnix: it's not a irssi command, rest assured [14:10] never did a /ame on xchat before [14:10] using more than 1 on network [14:10] <_abc_> Alt_of_Ctrl: you know statistics: if you shout "you're all idiots" in a large enough assembly you will end up hurt [14:10] <_abc_> no matter what language youuse [14:11] I see, ame is a form of broadcast [14:11] in a way [14:12] for what I know the only thing I'd see it used for is saying afk, and still nobody really even says that. [14:13] <_abc_> fatalnix: with good reason: http://noobfarm.org/?id=1797 [14:13] yes, it's a broadcast. Yes, it'll get you banned in many channels. [14:13] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-36-65.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:13] no admin likes broadcast from users. i know from experience, i almost killed our lab admin [14:14] <_abc_> admins only like broadcasts from admins. one admin. themselves. [14:14] affinity (n=frank@c-67-184-241-100.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:15] Action: Alt_of_Ctrl go sit on a corner [14:15] hahahaha [14:16] I didn't know there was a mode for away [14:16] hey; i can detach my terminal (^a^d) ;how can i reatach them back [14:16] ? [14:17] screen -ls [14:17] screen -r number [14:17] screen -r [14:17] yeah [14:17] ozan (n=ozan@94.54.76.77) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:17] but you need to use screen first [14:17] also if you suspend something with ^z you can get it back not only by using fg but by typing for example, if you suspended emacs, %emacs [14:18] fatalnix: yes, /away [14:18] its cold [14:19] damn it [14:19] nono,i run terminal (and in it mplayer foo.mp3&) [14:19] not THAT cold [14:19] <_abc_> slackware 13.0 has aufs instead of unionfs, right? [14:19] its 24 degrees here. [14:19] and then detach it with ^A^D [14:19] 23, nvm [14:19] how can i reatach back mplayer [14:19] 13 here [14:19] 13 F or C? [14:19] C [14:19] ah, its 23 F here [14:19] dear All, does anybody know how to get list of available wireless networks? [14:19] 28F here [14:20] 15F with windchill [14:20] dear dfrank no [14:20] dfrank, with wicd? [14:20] dear deco, pity [14:20] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:20] Alt_of_Ctrl: no, in console. iwconfig wlan0 .... [14:21] <_abc_> dorin: you are tryin to reattach to mplayer on a terminal ?! are you running mplayer without a gui? [14:21] go gui [14:21] no gui * [14:21] <_abc_> ah [14:21] <_abc_> so use screen as others have told you. did you do this by mistake or on purpose? i mean detach? [14:22] and it seems taht ^A^D work on terminal too [14:22] so,never detach a terminal? [14:22] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:22] <_abc_> any good reason for not using mpg123 or such? [14:22] a wanted mistake [14:22] <_abc_> me no speak yodaspeak [14:22] dfrank: looked at iwlist at all? [14:23] <_abc_> iwlist wlan0 scan|less [14:24] abnorma| (n=xtreme@77-105-29-102.adsl-3.sezampro.yu) left irc: "All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors." [14:24] fire|bird: i've just already looked [14:25] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] iwlist tells "Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down" [14:27] bring it up, then [14:27] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] <_abc_> iwconfig wlan0 up [14:28] dfrank: ifconfig wlan0 up, assuming that your wireless interface is wlan0 [14:28] <_abc_> er yes [14:32] _abc_: SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory. :-/ any idea?.. [14:33] john_dee (n=id@95-29-145-42.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [14:33] _abc_: "iwconfig wlan0 up" doesn't know what is "up". ifconfig knows [14:33] Still, that isn't the error message you get with iwconfig wlan0 up [14:34] I get iwconfig: unknown command "up" [14:35] NaCl: when i do "ifconfig wlan0 up" a get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory" [14:35] ifconfig. not iwconfig [14:36] does iwlist scan work now? [14:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] NaCl: no. network is down [14:39] And what card do you have? [14:39] broadcom [14:39] installed the driver? [14:39] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [14:40] NaCl: yes, by this manual http://blog.uptimebox.ru/2009/04/broadcom-2629.html [14:40] Action: NaCl can't read russian [14:41] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Client Quit [14:42] You may need to check that the driver is loaded correctly. As for what exactly else could be going wrong, I don't have a broadcom card or have ever set up one. [14:42] I can [14:42] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [14:43] how can i see my USB (from linux) ? [14:43] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:43] That changes stuff. [14:43] Oh, whoops. :P [14:43] dorin: lsusb [14:45] lQg8: > I can - what did u mean? [14:45] what coud mean this error from dmesg: usb 2-1.7: usb_submit_urb() failed, error -28 [14:46] dorin: no idea [14:46] i get this only when i connect my webcam on my pc`s back usb [14:46] could be an older USB than is required.\ [14:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:47] But that's just a blind guess [14:47] trying others usbs [14:48] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.77.171) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [14:49] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) left irc: "leaving" [14:49] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [14:49] dfrank: I mean - I can read russian. [14:50] ) [14:50] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:50] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?" [14:50] lQg8: i see. actually, russian is not necessary to read this manual - just look at commands list :) [14:51] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:56] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.77.171) joined ##slackware. [14:59] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F6601.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] paradroid (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:04] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] NaCl: Yo! did you see all the extensions lately added to chromium? [15:06] agentc0re: yep [15:06] I already got adblock and flashblock [15:07] NaCl: same, :D [15:07] NaCl: check out, ChromeMUSE. im totally digging that one. [15:08] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-141-15.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Interesting. [15:08] Good for IRC, I guess. :P [15:10] yup :) [15:11] been using it a lot. plus it's simple where as a few other's opened up a page to whatever tiny type url site you setup, which is annoying. this gives it to me right there and i don't even need to copy it. [15:13] fabulous [15:14] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) joined ##slackware. [15:14] <_abc_> i am looking for the aufs module in slack 13.0 but there is nothing. where could i look? [15:15] <_abc_> it's supposed to be supported [15:17] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:17] agentc0re: I might start pushing up chromium dev build packages somewhere. [15:18] Nick change: egregor_ -> egregor [15:18] <_abc_> really is there neither unionfs (which is deprecated) nor aufs support in slackware from stock? [15:18] check the kernel config [15:19] Action: NaCl does not know offhand [15:20] <_abc_> there is no aufs or unionfs anywhere on the dvd, on the net or in the kernel. only squashfs [15:20] NaCl: i've been thinking of making a SBo that will grab the lastest dev build when ran with an option to add a cronjob to update the build daily/weekly etc... [15:20] <_abc_> yet i just saw somewhere that aufs is supported [15:21] agentc0re: I do all of my builds from source. Which is quite large. [15:21] _abc_: http://bit.ly/66VzKR [15:21] heh [15:21] NaCl: Oh wow. [15:21] NaCl: :D [15:22] y0 agentc0re [15:22] how goes? [15:22] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-137-169.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:22] agentc0re: I don't build everything, though. Just the browser. No nacl stuff. [15:23] fire|bird: good. glad it's the weekend. However my mind is racing about what to do at work and i can't pull myself away from it, so kind of ruins the weekend. :/ /shrug [15:24] <_abc_> agentc0re: i am getting the git from Parana now [15:24] NaCl: whats the linux source link? What is the advantage of building the source versus using their .zip build? [15:24] agentc0re: I pulled it from svn [15:24] NaCl: Ah. [15:25] NaCl: what does building their source require? [15:25] only stuff not already in slack, gconf [15:25] just gconf? [15:25] yeah. [15:25] you dont need mozilla-nss? [15:26] That stuff was in the seamonkey package [15:26] Action: NaCl is running -current [15:26] ah. [15:26] is that new or something that's always been happening? [15:27] no idea. [15:27] It "just worked" [15:27] aiiiiiii (i=petrich@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:28] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] aiiiiiii (i=petrich@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) joined ##slackware. [15:28] agentc0re: and the dev build appears to be chrome, not chromium. [15:29] What's the difference? I thought Chromium was just the Linux version's name.. [15:29] chrome = google-distributed, chromium = the project that chrome comes from [15:31] agentc0re: the source code checkout + binary files that I have is about 3.5 GB. [15:33] Can I use GTK-VNC to remote to Windows computers? [15:34] NaCl: the one thing i hate the most about chromium is that the spell checker sucks... it's pretty much non existent. [15:34] NaCl: holy, wow! wtf? so the whole install is 3.5gb? [15:34] when i executing fwcutter and it successfully exports some files, is this all? [15:34] agentc0re: no, that's the source code too. [15:34] NaCl: Oh, ah! hehe. [15:34] agentc0re: for all other platforms, too. [15:34] dfrank: and you have to install the firmware that it cut [15:35] agentc0re: is there bug report about that? [15:35] agentc0re: you may want to file it. [15:35] I'm watching two bugs that are particularly annoying to me... [15:35] NaCl: We could setup something that would grab a nightly build of the source, build and tar.gz it. The make a SBo that would grab that source and turn it into a slackware package. [15:35] NaCl: does your spell check work for it? [15:36] tuubaaku (n=tuubaaku@h81.60.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] agentc0re: yep [15:36] agentc0re: I don't want to deal with the RLZ in chrome [15:37] agentc0re: and it feels awesome when you know that you made it yourself. :P [15:37] RLZ? [15:37] <_abc_> agentc0re: do you think that that version should work with late kernels? 2.6.29 perhaps ? [15:37] <_abc_> as in slackware 13.0 ? [15:37] since slack does not use bleeding edge, I would say "yes" [15:38] <_abc_> well i was hoping you were going to say that ... [15:38] agentc0re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_chrome#Usage_tracking [15:38] redtricycle: i have installed firmware, now new files are in /lib/firmware [15:38] _abc_: for that aufs? it's jsut a SBo script. you are compiling from source, so whatever you are running it will compile under that and "should" work for your kernel version. [15:38] I just saw this in a Great Dane listing for a local classifieds. "We have a beautiful black Great Dane. She is the best dog. She is friendly; obedient stays in the yard with out being tied up. She even talks to us"..... With out even being tied up... wow.. [15:38] TJohn (i=as@118-160-163-24.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Hello,in case of flood, I use pasebin,can anyone helpme with this? [15:39] <_abc_> agentc0re: i mean the aufs package i got from there. git getting the latest failed, there is something wrong with the git repository, it fails in the middle. or version incompatibilityon my ancient git [15:39] some people should just not be responsible for themselves. [15:39] http://pastebin.com/m19bccd6e [15:39] TJohn: http://pastebin.ca and follow instructions there [15:39] wow [15:39] _abc_: Oh, i have no idea why the git doesn't work. i don't know what could be the problem. [15:40] TJohn, you can just type your text here. This is a chat, after all. [15:40] TJohn: there's several pastebins available - that's just one [15:40] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) joined ##slackware. [15:40] <_abc_> agentc0re: anyone wanting a great dane should watch the youtube movies with danes barking and drooling, and also watch schoobydoo cartoons [15:40] as long as your chat is less than 4 lines [15:40] TJohn, additionally, look at the program bootchart. It's available on SBo [15:40] slackboy has an issue with floods :) [15:40] <_abc_> agentc0re: it's ok i got the binary package [15:40] _abc_: hehe, i own two of them. :D [15:40] scooby-dooby-do! [15:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:40] <_abc_> followed by crash boom bang [15:40] <_abc_> agentc0re: really, i thought they own you [15:40] TJohn: as far as init goes - yo missed the earlier discussion this morning on init :) [15:41] init the father of all process [15:41] _abc_: lol [15:41] <_abc_> it's like that joke about cats and dogs: 'dogs have masters, cats have servants' [15:41] or mother ? [15:41] huh? [15:41] well [15:41] but this looks like a newbies problem [15:41] TJohn: _abc_ was asking about mkinitrd and how it get's init started earlier this morning [15:42] TJohn: a _basic_ sequence is here: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/boot.htm [15:43] it shows approximately in the boot sequence where init is called [15:43] otherwise, you can unpack an initrd and follow the script from there [15:44] <_abc_> if this is for me, thanks, i know the theory, it's the practice that gives me a hard time. i also need to eat and sleep meanwhile that gets in the way [15:44] _abc_ : that was for TJohn [15:44] <_abc_> ok, apologies [15:44] but isn't init a bin? [15:44] I know roughly the boot process [15:44] <_abc_> umm, someone just posted a debian link on #slackware? [15:45] It can be found on many teaching sites [15:45] TJohn: init itself is normally a bin - but it's the startup sequence before you get to the bin started is the setup [15:45] _abc_: any source that has valid information works :) [15:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:45] <_abc_> true [15:46] then how init set variables? [15:46] init of debian should differ from slackware [15:46] GTK-VNC can only be used for Linux->Linux? [15:46] TJohn: nah [15:46] init doesn't set the variables, the shell that get's started sets the variables [15:46] oh! [15:46] <_abc_> now really is there a rdev-like tool that allows me to see what the actual root device is set to in a kernel without booting it? [15:47] So init drive bash or sh to do? [15:47] TJohn: once init kicks in, it's whatever the sequence is that init calls as the equivalent of rcS in /etc/inittab [15:47] init calls whatever /etc/inittab is setup to run [15:48] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] based on runlevel and some other things [15:48] can we use tool like LTT(linux trace tool kit) [15:48] _abc_ rdev is if you need to modify the kernel image for things like floppies [15:48] to trace this behavior? [15:48] because it is so early in stage [15:48] TJohn: if you want. personally, I start with the init label in /etc/inittab and go from there [15:48] <_abc_> alisonken1home: yes, but i need the opposite: look inside a kernel image and see what its root is set to [15:49] auf_wiedersehen (n=tony@212.183.140.100) joined ##slackware. [15:50] hm [15:50] you can probably get rdev to report what root is set as - but like I said, if you're using an initrd, it's already set to the initramfs that initrd is expanded to, then follows whatever is in the initializing sequence there [15:50] TJohn unless you want to start from the initrd first and see how the initial setup goes before getting to the final init setup [15:50] <_abc_> i know but i have a ready made kernel whose data is misplaced [15:50] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:50] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] <_abc_> so i need to peek inside it [15:50] tuubaaku_ (n=tuubaaku@h31.82.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:51] <_abc_> preferrably without using od(1) [15:51] anyway - be back later - back to stuff [15:51] OK alisonken1home,I see [15:51] <_abc_> thanka s alisonken1home [15:51] <_abc_> *thanks [15:51] I'll be back tonight for more lessons :) [15:51] <_abc_> well for me tonight is now [15:51] <_abc_> so i'll be back tomorrow ;) [15:52] <_abc_> time zones being what they are and all that [15:52] it's noon now and I'll be in church tomorrow morning [15:52] <_abc_> ah [15:52] <_abc_> then not tomorrow [15:52] however, I work sunday night 10pm pacific through friday morning 6am pacific (8 hour days, so I do get days off) [15:53] anyway - later [15:53] <_abc_> alisonken1home: well i could be around this time or earlier by monday [15:53] <_abc_> anyway you helped a lot [15:56] anyone tell me why my mp3's wont play on audacious and amorak .....streaming works ok [15:56] nothing wrong with sound [15:56] ive chown .users *mp3 [15:56] <_abc_> auf_wiedersehen: need oss and have alsa? [15:56] for permissions [15:57] <_abc_> oh you mean they don't open the files? [15:57] ive alsaconfig [15:57] do audacious/amarok throw any error messages or warnings in the console? [15:57] ive not opened then with console ill try that now [15:58] <_abc_> ok, i'm out now. bye and thanks [15:58] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) left irc: "leaving" [15:58] sahilsk (n=sonu@59.177.35.136) joined ##slackware. [15:58] ill pastebin it [15:59] i tried to install slackware using unetbootin, but on booting from pend it say, "boot erro". what should i do> [15:59] ? [15:59] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-36-65.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:00] does anyone has installed slackware using unetbootin? [16:01] http://pastebin.com/m1bed3e1f << thats what i get from opening audacious from console [16:01] wild updates in -current [16:01] anyone? :( [16:02] auf_wiedersehen: Did you do a full install? [16:02] yes antiwire [16:02] you think my iso is currupt [16:02] no [16:03] I don't even have that file in my system [16:03] audacious normally plays mp3 [16:03] s [16:03] audacious works fine [16:03] i thought it was a permissions issue [16:03] nimbius (i=nimbius@iceland.freeshell.org) joined ##slackware. [16:03] ive cp music off mem stick [16:03] this is a fresh install [16:03] someone have any ideea why i get this error when i run "make" : $ console/fbtools.c:24:22: error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory [16:04] i cant burn a CD in k3b...it gets 3/4 into the first track and dies with a warning that it has no permission to open the device. [16:04] im sure ive played music with root perms with audacious as user before [16:05] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-36-65.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:05] none of my player will play my mps'3 [16:05] players* [16:06] Did the same install *ever* play mp3's? [16:06] same error like here: http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-August/064885.html [16:06] has in the past antiwire but this is the first time ive install slack on this machine [16:07] ...so this isn't the same install.... [16:07] i tried to install slackware using unetbootin, but on booting from pend it say, "boot erro". what should i do? [16:07] no [16:07] im on the machine that im having probs with [16:07] what version of Slackware? [16:07] 13 [16:07] works fine on my lappy [16:08] Nick change: BP{k}_ -> BP{k} [16:09] i added a pci sound card thinking i had probs with inbuilt card on mobo ...could that be prob [16:09] how to install slackware13 using unetbootin ? [16:09] c'mon guyss.. throw some help [16:09] but reran alsaconf [16:10] sahilsk: If someone watching knew and they felt like helping you they would. Don't beg. [16:10] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:10] dear All, how do i make ifconfig reread its configs? like "/etc/init.d/networking restart" in debian [16:10] antiwire, i passed my exam this morning :D [16:10] dfrank: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [16:10] antiwire: thank u [16:11] dfrank: but ifconfig does not have 'configs". Slackware's networking configuration takes place in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [16:11] antiwire: yeah yeah.. [16:11] beatzz: awesome [16:11] antiwire: what about rc.wireless.conf ? [16:11] dfrank: rc.wireless.conf has nothing to do with ifconfig [16:12] unetbootin? [16:12] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-36-65.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-137-169.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:13] antiwire: ok [16:14] dfrank: These days, rc.wireless.conf isn't even needed. You can do everything you need in rc.inet1.conf and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [16:14] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:14] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [16:16] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.247) left irc: "Leaving." [16:19] antiwire: maybe you know, how do i set up my wireless, when using WEP, and ASCII key "qweqw" ? [16:20] or use wicd. [16:20] in rc.inet1.conf set your interface's section to use wpa_supplicant and then configure a block in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf for your network. [16:20] antiwire: i trying "iwconfig wlan0 key qweqw" but this doesn't work [16:20] kenrlap2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-234-25.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] TJohn (i=as@118-160-163-24.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:20] iwconfig s: ? [16:20] Nick change: kenrlap2 -> kenrlap [16:20] antiwire: is wpa and wep similar ? [16:21] Nick change: kenrlap -> alisonken1lap [16:21] wpa_supplicant handles all wireless encryption modes. [16:21] dfrank: no the one is at least more secure, the other isn't [16:21] dfrank: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [16:21] I did not say use wpa. I said use wpa_supplicant. [16:21] unetbootin? [16:21] auf_wiedersehen: no errors. but don't want to connect [16:22] antiwire: ok, now i'll try, thanks [16:22] ive only used it once dfrank [16:22] 309 people in this room ,and none of them has installed slackware using unetbootin. oh , my gosh.. [16:23] sahilsk: Have you ever considered that you're simply annoying the hell out of anyone who knows, to the point of discouraging them from acknowledging you? [16:23] sahilsk: I've netbooted slackware before, just not with unetbootin [16:24] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.247) joined ##slackware. [16:27] unetbootin's name is misleading. it doesn't have to do with network [16:28] alisonken1: ok, thanks for responding. [16:28] soccerfan (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] soccerfan (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:28] Razec (i=1000@187-27-215-107.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:28] at least the install part. the prep can be network based [16:29] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-141-15.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:29] whats the benefit of unetbooting ? [16:29] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:29] benefit as opposed to what? [16:29] purpose [16:29] bootable usb image. [16:29] ive never heard of it [16:29] oh right [16:30] actually, in INDIA, it is late 2:00am, so i can't go the market to buy a DVD. I am therefor trying to install it with unetbootin. [16:30] buy ? [16:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/459549 [16:31] auf_wiedersehen: blank dvd. [16:31] oh right [16:31] auf_wiedersehen: which kernal should i choose? [16:31] i use default kernel [16:31] and what default kernel name? [16:32] sahilsk: well there are options such as: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/usb-and-pxe-installers/ or which seems you are more looking for: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.0/ [16:32] 2.6.29.6-smp [16:32] and which initrd should i choose? [16:32] the one that boots up - on 13.0 it's 2.6.29.6-smp from the dvd [16:32] very strange... [16:32] what's strange? [16:33] I placed an order on store.slackware.com [16:33] i ordered the polo and the slackbook, it asked me for delivery address and billing address [16:33] then it said "Thanks for shopping" [16:33] it dident ask me for credit card info [16:33] are they gana mail me 85 dollars worth of stuff w/o being paid first? [16:35] auf_wiedersehen (n=tony@212.183.140.100) left irc: "Leaving" [16:36] Nijinski (n=Billy@billywatt.plus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] evo- (n=evo@p4FCF128C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:37] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [16:37] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [16:37] Nijinski (n=Billy@billywatt.plus.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:37] if someone had installed xawtv ,pls tell me,amd help me install it [16:39] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.74.141) joined ##slackware. [16:40] I got it!! Wow! wooooh... Wireless works!.. Thanks all. Very cool. :) [16:40] dfrank, w00t w00t!!! [16:40] Nick change: lQg8 -> lQg8_Zzz [16:40] lQg8_Zzz (n=cBt7e5eN@165-229-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) left ##slackware ("#HQ;."). [16:41] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-244-205.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:43] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-238-101.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:43] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [16:46] LITesterB (n=Bob@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:47] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [16:47] is there any other option for installing slackware beside using unetbootin from a dvd iso image? [16:47] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [16:47] thumbdrive boot and use an nfs mounted diretory from another server [16:48] slightly modified initrd and netboot from a dhcp fileserver [16:49] but i have a dvd image. i don't want to download from a server [16:49] you can use a window/samba share on another system, you can put the packages on a partition on the target disk and boot from the USB boot stick, you can use an http server with the packages in an http served directory [16:49] there are many ways. [16:50] antiwire: i don't have another system. [16:50] then don't use those methods [16:50] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:50] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.96.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:50] sahilsk - it's easy enough to figure out if you know how to loop mount an iso [16:50] put the packages on a partition on your target disk and boot the system with the USB image. then mount the package partition and install [16:51] one of these days pat ought to create a hybrid iso: one that can be used to boot from usb as well as from cd/dvd [16:51] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [16:51] maybe the next release will have it [16:51] antiwire: target disk ? [16:51] sorry, noob here. [16:52] take a wild guess what target disk means... [16:52] xlordt (n=xlordt@24.55.70.98) joined ##slackware. [16:53] a partition containing extracted dvd iso files? [16:53] sahilsk: can you boot the dvd? [16:54] sorry, i don't have any dvd at this moment. [16:54] i only have slackware13 dvd iso image. [16:54] sahilsk: did you ever read this link: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.0/ ? [16:54] and what is already on your computer? [16:55] what operating system is running on your computer? (as If I need to ask ...) [16:55] windox xp sp1 [16:56] as BP{k} noted - read the usb install instructions at the link provided [16:56] k.. [16:56] if you already downloaded the iso - the problem you may have is you don't have a partition other than your XP partition, so you'll have to make room for your linux install anyway [16:56] unless you have a second hard drive you're going to install slackware to [16:57] harls (n=gabba@pool-173-69-205-71.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] alisonken1lap: actually, i had ubuntu studio installed in separate partion. so i was thinking to override those partition for slackware. [16:57] of course I posted that link already about half an hour ago .. [16:57] ok - then make a usb boot thumbdrive and follow the instructions there [16:58] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-244-205.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [16:58] BP{k} alisonken1 sahilsk - also read http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ which is a bit easier than the usbinstall script you linked to earlier [16:58] if you already have ubuntu installed, you can copy (not move, copy) your ISO to your ubuntu partition and loop mount it there, then extract the "slackware" install directory somewhere on your windows partition [16:59] BP{k}: actually, i've just finished uninstalling norton 360, and except this pidgin, i can't open any page in any browser.. i wonder why? But i m trying to figure it out. [16:59] thanks alienBOB [17:00] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-176.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:03] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:03] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Client Quit [17:04] ozan (n=ozan@94.54.76.77) joined ##slackware. [17:04] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-222.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Rafael (n=UNIX@189.114.188.184) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:09] alienBOB sounds good [17:09] time to logout and head home [17:09] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-234-25.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] BP{k}, whats this channels 1 and only rule? [17:10] whops [17:11] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [17:11] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-18-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:12] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-222.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[18:02] the protocol is currently set to Auto [18:02] in the xorg config [18:05] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [18:05] you probably need to fuss with hal's fdi's. read the tips & tricks file, or thereabout [18:05] CHANGES & HINTS [18:06] illovae (n=C-18@druuna.dud-t.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:08] LinuxyErin: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_Input_Hotplugging#Tapping_and_sliding_doesn.27t_work_anymore_with_my_touchpad.21 - does that help you? [18:11] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-217-148.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:23] Nick change: merciful_ -> Guest86156 [18:23] hmm I'll check it out AlienBob [18:24] as for fussing with hal, I don't exactly want it to go rogue on me and try to kill me [18:24] Action: dchmelik likes the name 'Erin' [18:25] Nick change: Guest86156 -> merciful [18:25] hehe thanks [18:25] packeteer (n=zed@li83-175.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-105-183.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:27] http://jenely.deviantart.com/art/Erin-finished-16126076 [18:28] will a "#" in front of "x1:4:respawn:/etc/rc.d/rc.4" in the inittab disable starting of X? [18:29] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.247) left irc: "Leaving." [18:29] one thing i noticed [18:29] it seems that it will work on a usb device [18:30] but not if the usb device was already plugged in [18:30] only after i replug it in [18:30] its like as if hal isn't detecting stuff thats already there [18:30] is there a way to force hal to see it? [18:31] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.247) joined ##slackware. [18:31] merciful you mean booting directly into X? [18:32] mancha: No, disable X (and runlevel 4) [18:34] Action: thrice` still doesn't get what you're trying to do [18:42] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [18:42] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] so, when i do slackpkg upgrade-all, it wants me to do all of that kernel stuff, but I've already patched it manually, is it safe to let slackpkg do its thing with all these kernel packages [18:44] Is slackware 13 compatible with macbook? [18:44] Ive been using guarddog as firewall manager for years but I can't seem to get it to work on slackware 13... I just don't the the patience to configure iptables all the time. [18:44] what can I use instead ? [18:45] why doesn't guarddog work? [18:46] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:47] when building it, it says that kde-config is missing [18:47] a quickk read of the dev's site suggests it needs kde3/qt3, iirc slack13 has a compat package...have you tried with that? [18:47] no support for kde4.. [18:47] mancha, yes installed that and got a little bit further... still not enough [18:48] refugiado: macbook is mac osX - not linux [18:48] kde3 compat from the extras, right? [18:48] and I did install the full compat package [18:48] yes [18:49] have you looked at fw-builder? [18:49] mancha, no... should I ? [18:49] alisonken1home, so what? It's x86 , i just want to know if slackware is 100% compatible [18:50] dunno, i make all my rules by hand, but that's a gui helper i've heard mentioned before [18:50] refugiado: you missed the part about apple locking their systems so they only run mac osx - you have to go to some place like machack in order to run non-apple o/s [18:50] mancha, I usually do all my rules directly in iptables but I change network enviroment quite a lot and gui would help [18:51] I'll have a go with it, thank you [18:51] alisonken1home, o.0 didn't know about that ... [18:51] they're so damm pretty =~~ [18:51] so many beauty locked [18:51] damm you jobs [18:51] lol [18:51] linX http://www.fwbuilder.org/ [18:52] cool, even on slackbuilds ... what else could someone wish for =) [18:54] Hermann (n=Hermannn@m83-178-22-74.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:55] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:55] Nick change: Garak_ -> Garak [18:55] you're probably better off moving away from guarddog, last update was 2007 and it was only a minor maintenance release over a 2006 version [18:56] mancha, Ive been thinking about it for years and now I got a good reason to do it. [18:57] you could try this also: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [18:57] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:58] chopp, looks interesting but release date mid 2005... feels a bit outdated tbh [18:59] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-217-148.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:00] is it possible to get older version of amarok? [19:00] i hate the new version, and i hate JuK [19:01] and all the other GUI audio players [19:01] Amarok 2.* > * [19:01] xmms/xmms2 works rather well without gui.. [19:01] linXea: I don't use it myself because my main box is also my AP, so I have a bridge involved, but the generator a linked you to above works just fine. [19:02] You want an older version of amarok, but you think Amarok 2.x is better than anything else? [19:02] BP{k}, whatsup bro? why do u pick my stuff apart? [19:02] whatever version of amarok came w/ 12.2 [19:02] i dont remember the exact version number. [19:02] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:02] chopp, I'll have a go with it if I don't like fwbuilder =) [19:02] beatzz: because what you say doesn't make any sense at all. [19:03] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:03] ok well excuse me. let me go find out the EXACT vesion numbers of amarok [19:03] and yes i splet version, and spelt [19:03] if it was part of 12.2, then there may be issues because 13.0 changed qt toolkit and programs written for older qt toolkit may have issues with the new toolkit [19:03] linXea: take note of the url. :) [19:03] already done =) [19:03] alisonken1home: nope just need the stuff from the unsupported kde 3.5 directory [19:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:04] thanks alisonken1home for the intuitive answer that worked for me. [19:05] awp (n=xdr3am@151.82.183.112) joined ##slackware. [19:05] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [19:05] hy [19:06] how can i test with "case" if a parrameter contain "/" ? [19:06] bash scrips ** [19:06] -awp:##slackware- please join in the #sexychat [19:06] Last message repeated 5 time(s). [19:06] Channel flood from awp -- kicking [19:06] -awp:##slackware- please join in the #sexychat [19:06] awp kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:06] if it's in a quoted string, it doesn't matter [19:06] :) [19:07] slackboy++ [19:07] heh well well [19:07] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-252.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:07] dorin: if it's in a quoted string the slashes are just part of the string [19:07] why case? [19:07] awp (n=xdr3am@151.82.183.112) joined ##slackware. [19:07] -awp:##slackware- please join in the #sexychat [19:07] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:07] lol [19:07] -awp:##slackware- please join in the #sexychat [19:07] Last message repeated 4 time(s). [19:07] slackboy-- [19:08] wtf ? [19:08] -awp:##slackware- please join in the #sexychat [19:08] Last message repeated 4 time(s). [19:08] BP{k}: permanently ban awp? [19:08] yea [19:08] please [19:08] :D [19:08] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:08] alienBOB rworkman ping [19:08] Dominian: ping [19:08] -awp:##slackware- please join in the #sexychat [19:08] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:08] need a few minutes to find where the hell come the visual bell [19:08] -awp:##slackware- please join in the #sexychat [19:08] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@151.82.183.112' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:08] awp kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [19:08] \o/ [19:08] :) [19:08] Pong [19:08] \o/ [19:08] bad bot [19:08] haha [19:09] function as(){ for i in $*;do case $p in -* ) echo 'am gasit caracter cu -'; case "/"* ) echo seomething [19:09] alienBOB: thanks [19:09] what i do wrong? [19:09] that is fugly [19:09] mug fugly to say the least [19:10] does slackboy autoban spammers? [19:10] No, but I do [19:10] oh, ok [19:10] dorin, that is nonsensical [19:10] slackboy can't detect CTCP spam, can it? [19:11] hmm [19:11] you need breaks, you need an esac, etc. [19:11] among other things [19:11] wheel i am just anoob:P sorry [19:11] also what the hell is $p ? [19:11] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-224-86.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [19:12] so it shows here: http://www.softpanorama.org/Scripting/Shellorama/Control_structures/case_statement.shtml [19:12] mancha, just tried out fwbuilder, exactly what I was looking for, thanks mate [19:12] ths function it is not ended ** [19:13] bobby (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-234-79.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:13] linX, glad it worked out for you [19:13] dorin: so tahe a bash course. 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[20:50] heya,folks [20:50] hey ml4711 [20:50] hey MLanden [20:50] oops [20:51] Action: MLanden gives trimmer an A for effort and shiny gold star...:D [20:51] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:51] careful, folks'll say I'm teachers pet [20:52] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:52] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-236-148.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:52] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:81) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-236-148.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] hi folks. I'm trying to get slackware 8.1 to install on a really old box to turn it into a router. Most of the mirrors (and the main server) don't have any iso for this version, but after googling for "slackware 8.1 iso" I got some hits [20:53] are these legit? [20:54] or do I have to wget the slackware/ and isolinux/ directories recursively to get the files? [20:54] why are you using 8.1? [20:54] ea_suter: how old is your system? [20:54] like I said, its for a really old box [20:55] how old? whay CPU and how much ram? [20:55] Pentium 133 [20:55] whay/what [20:55] 64 mb ram [20:55] should work fine as a router [20:55] ea_sutor: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware has a repository back to v3.5 [20:55] (EE) LoadModule: Module i810 does not have a i810ModuleData data object. [20:56] does anyone knows how to fix that? [20:56] thanks alisonken1home [20:56] Its not a i810 [20:56] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:57] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.77.171) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:58] nothing in the 7.1 directory though [20:59] I really didn't want to go further back than 2.4 kernel because of driver support [21:02] Masterx831: what is your intel? [21:02] Anyone know some sh3 emulator ? [21:05] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:06] it's freaking pouring outside right now [21:07] I just came in from shoveling the walks, it's -37C with the windchill here. :( [21:07] dang [21:07] http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [21:07] Action: chopp heads for cali [21:08] ea_suter_ (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:08] it's raining here in socal [21:09] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@151.82.183.112 expired. [21:09] well all the years on the rigs, I allways said I'd rather work in 40 below than the rain, so... [21:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@151.82.183.112' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:11] company holiday party time.... [21:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [21:12] now *that* I could handle right about now. [21:13] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:15] ea_suter_ (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: "leaving" [21:16] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:18] ea_suter: the "ipcop" distro makes a nice router [21:23] thanks for that pointer! :) definitely what I'm looking for [21:23] If anyone wants to test: http://www.slackpkg.org/beta/slackpkg-2.81beta-noarch-4.tgz / The Changes are listed here http://www.slackpkg.org/beta/ChangeLog [21:26] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [21:27] spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] i need software that does TRIM type, i guess zero out the sectors or some shit [21:29] but my ssd doesn't support TRIM [21:30] trimmer (n=trimmer@71-213-237-159.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: "Haha, you quit!" [21:31] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] hello [21:31] PiterPunk: thanks! :D [21:31] PiterPunk: are you a slackpkg dev? [21:32] thumbs: dude read the slackpkg man [21:32] thumbs: yes. [21:32] oh, oops. [21:33] but most of enhancements of this version are from external patches. [21:35] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: "leaving" [21:35] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) left irc: [21:42] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC310F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:50] MLanden (n=MLanden@141.152.171.167) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [21:50] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-98-149-8-157.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] MLanden (n=MLanden@141.152.171.167) joined ##slackware. [21:59] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [21:59] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30FCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:00] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-166.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:00] what is gpg? in slackware terms? [22:01] I did a man gpg but it wont work [22:01] oops sorry yeah it works no [22:01] GnuPG [22:05] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-166.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [22:07] ahhh :-( i don't see xorg on the list in slackpkg? [22:10] Masterx831: slackpkg install x [22:10] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:11] MLanden (n=MLanden@141.152.171.167) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [22:12] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) joined ##slackware. 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[22:36] anyone knows good free templates for a personal website (hosted on google)? [22:39] Dominian: you're slow, as usual :( [22:39] thumbs: I was 'busy' [22:39] Dominian: lies! [22:39] :) [22:40] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Dominian: oh, I fixed some css (relative positioning) that was causing IE to loop infinitely. [22:40] Dominian: don't you love those? [22:40] ugh yeah [22:41] sometimes a pain to fix [22:41] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.169.199) joined ##slackware. [22:41] and IE still can't calculate the height of my container properly, but that's minor. [22:41] IE and css "sometimes a pain" ? [22:42] alisonken1home: yeah.. 'sometimes' when you actually CARE that IE can render your page :) [22:42] I ended up using a IE css file, and setting negative margins. [22:42] wee [22:42] hehe [22:43] When I wrote noobfarm... [22:43] I had a bunch of people saying "this looks like crap in IE" [22:43] and I'm like "So?" [22:43] did you tell them to get a real browser? [22:43] Dominian: it *still* looks terrible on IE, in my vbox session. [22:44] thumbs: You still see the problem in IE8? IE8 was all over publicity - "moving towards Standards" :) [22:44] isBEKaml: this is an XP image, IE 6 [22:45] netrenderer using ie8 looks fine [22:45] I don't have a vbox image with IE8, sadly. [22:45] Oh, I see. Where I work, people had already put IE6 to death. :) [22:45] most business i kow are still stuck on ie6 [22:45] I tested solely for the sake of annoying Dominian more. [22:46] thumbs: :) [22:47] Dominian: all that's left is to get a public IP on that sucker - then we'll have a slack64 machine to play with [22:48] alisonken1home: sweet [22:49] remember the issues I kept having with the serverworks not wanting to boot? [22:49] kept asking for a valid boot disk [22:50] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.224) joined ##slackware. [22:51] apparently, the bootdisk setup that I saved was the issue [22:51] bios setting [22:51] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] hahaha [22:51] no kidding? [22:52] that was the problem with the server last night that I installed at the noc - did the same thing, and come to find out the boot sequence in bios somehow hosed itself so it didn't want to boot from sda [22:52] reset bios and made sure of the boot sequence and came up fine [22:53] awesome [22:53] plus we have serial consoles on s0, so even if we can't ssh, we still have serial console [22:53] nice [22:54] let's me monitor from home - like right now [22:56] :) [22:57] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.169.199) left irc: "leaving" [22:58] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-59-27-17.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:30] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) joined ##slackware. [23:32] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-118.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:34] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:39] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: ".mirrorS arE morE fuN thaN televisoN" [23:40] diogenes323 (n=diogenes@c-98-212-195-7.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:41] with slackware 13.0 can i remove x packages and run startx? [23:41] huh? [23:41] Masterx831: You don't install de X packages ? [23:43] i did [23:44] after you remove X, what would you like startx to do? [23:46] gar0t0: I'm still getting font issues [23:46] mancha: well i have no choice font issues on 13.0 are pathetic [23:47] Masterx831, the answer is no, because the startx script is most likely part of the x packages. [23:47] Masterx831, you also can't uninstall vim and run vim. [23:48] Masterx831: paste the problem here!! Anyone have "cristal ball" [23:48] crystall* [23:48] we can make up a new startx script though after X removal, the question is what you'd like it to do... [23:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [23:49] gar0t0: at http://pastebin.ca/ <---- you can see my xorg.0.log 0.o [23:49] harksaw (n=sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:49] what the.... [23:50] Masterx831: when you type "startx" and press enter!! what the message error is "showing" for you [23:50] the hunt is on, first one to the actual url wins an ubuntu cd [23:50] and please then mail it to Masterx831 [23:56] gar0t0: every starts up to my desktop but freezes [23:57] and the icons on my desktop is all sqwuares [23:57] so, i bought this book yesterday from my uni's book store http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Pocket-Guide-Daniel-Barrett/dp/0596006284 [23:57] and it's helpful, linux has so many commands I never knew existed [23:59] Masterx831: that link points to a blank pastebin page [00:00] --- Sun Dec 13 2009