[00:01] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.95) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [00:01] I'm trying to download and install mplayer and on their website there are links to source code & binaries ... which shall I go to? [00:02] newbie2010: for which version of slackware? [00:02] slackware 13 has mplayer [00:02] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] i am using v12.1 [00:02] besides all the LILO problems I got when I tried v13.0 [00:04] hye folks. is there any RDP server implementation for linux? no browser here, so i can't google atm [00:04] the binaries are two for windows, one for x os, one rpm and experimental one [00:04] newbie2010, what lilo problems? [00:04] newbie2010: tahts funny slackware 12.1 and 13 have the same lilo more or less [00:05] XGiszzmo: see? I also have the same brain and PC [00:05] WHAT? [00:06] the only difference here is the two dvd copies of slackware version [00:06] s [00:06] back to the question ... which mplayer file shall I download for v12.1 [00:07] newbie2010, i wouldn't bother using 12.1 [00:07] use 13.0, it includes mplayer [00:07] however, if you want, you can check out alienbob's repo, i think he might have it for 12.1, not sure [00:07] expl0it (loch@58.47.112.61) left ##slackware. [00:07] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [00:07] expl0it (~loch@58.47.112.61) joined ##slackware. [00:09] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [00:10] is this an installation file "mplayer-checkout-snapshot.tar.bz2"? [00:10] no [00:10] it's going to end in .tgz [00:11] the closest one he has for something other than 13.0 is 12.2, here: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/MPlayer/pkg/12.2/MPlayer-r29301-i486-1alien.tgz [00:12] john_dee (~id@95-29-145-248.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [00:12] Delahunt: can you explain to me what is the exact difference between .tgz & .tar.bz2/tar.gz? I know the last two are compressed archives [00:13] what are .tgz compiled source code files? [00:13] .tgz is usually a slackware package but may be a short version of .tar.gz [00:13] .tar.bz2 is almost always a package full of source code [00:13] what are the packages? they are compiled sources... right? [00:13] .tgz, .txz are slackware packages (almost always) and contain compiled stuff (binaries, because when you compile source code you get binaries etc) [00:14] yes, packages are "ready to go" [00:14] tarballs (.tar.bz2, .tar.gz) contain source code and must be compiled before use [00:14] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [00:14] so that I can download any general linux source code and compile on slackware to make a slackware package from it ... right? [00:14] anyways, i can't find the web address but here's the rsync i have that ought to work to get restricted slackware packages by alienbob for 12.1 if there are any [00:15] rsync -rlptv --delete --force --exclude build --exclude 12.2 \ [00:15] rsync://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/*/pkg*/12.1/* . [00:15] i have no clue if the normal address is ftp or http, give me a second to check [00:16] nope, nevermind, i found it (ftp://slackware.org/uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/) the only one is 12.2 this link ftp://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/MPlayer/pkg/12.2/MPlayer-r29301-i486-1alien.tgz [00:16] so i would highly recommend installing slackware 13 [00:16] butterball (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:17] not sure that I can copy this link from irssi (tty1) to kde (tty2) [00:17] I'm gonna write it down [00:17] well it's 12.2, it won't work on 12.1 (normally) [00:17] but his restricted repo is worth remembering the link to [00:18] who is alienBoB? [00:18] I keep seeing this name a lot these days [00:18] make that .org.uk not .org/uk [00:18] newbie2010, eric hameleers [00:18] I have no clue ... is he patrick volderking? [00:18] nope [00:19] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:19] http://slackware.com/~alien/ <-- alienBOB [00:20] And it's "Volkerding" rather than "Volderking" [00:20] does everyone trust his packages? do you programs go through his code? [00:20] or let's say compiled code [00:20] newbie2010, i trust his packages and have for a while [00:20] newbie2010: Yes, he's trustworthy. Much of Slackware for x86_64 was built on his machine. [00:20] between alienBOB and rworkman their packages get incorporated into slackware and slackware64 [00:20] If he's got a place on slackware.com, then he's trusty. [00:20] yes rworkman ... i have a short term memory when it comes to alien names [00:21] rworkman did a lot of work for the intel and xfce stuff in slackware 13 to name a few things [00:21] Action: rworkman does a little here and there. :) [00:22] rworkman, man to be honest i think i'm going to give up the attempted recompile of slackware to -mtune=core2 -Os [00:22] is it the case? well, I think slackware is an italian mafia distro "and that is why i like it" lol [00:22] first, slack 13 is a bit grey in the teeth for me (it's not -current) and second the space saved isn't enough to justify it [00:22] Delahunt: it took longer than I thought it would. [00:22] spare the minute and forget everything about trust [00:23] rworkman, recompiling say xfce for -Os made a difference but otherwise i just went and ordered a 16gb mini PCIe ssd tonight so it's basically no big deal any more [00:23] newbie2010: Slackware is what it is. That's about the only way I know to describe it. [00:23] rworkman, but hey at least i learned some stuff during the experiment lol [00:23] Delahunt: wow, nice. Someday I'll be able to plop down money for an SSD for my T400. [00:24] In the meantime, my SheevaPlug is enroute :) [00:24] hehe [00:24] and yes, the learning was worthwhile for you. [00:24] rworkman: they look like fun things to play with. :) [00:24] yeah the sheevaplug is very tempting to play with armed slack with (it's ARM, right? i forget) [00:24] Delahunt: yes. [00:24] BP{k}: Niels, XGizzmo, and I will let you know :) [00:24] BP{k}, damn you're quick 8-) [00:24] i'm on vacation in the states right now [00:24] i'll be back in japan in a bit [00:25] rworkman: I looked at getting one, but the cost is slightly to high especially as I am about to rebuild all computers here :) [00:25] Delahunt: R&R leave? [00:25] yep 8-) [00:25] rworkman, what state do you live in again? [00:25] BP{k}: understandable. If you don't have a need for it, then it's just a toy and you should probably wait :) [00:25] confusion [00:25] Delahunt: Alabama [00:25] and that. [00:25] XGizzmo, that's given 8-) [00:25] rworkman, hmm i'm in florida ... what city if you don't mind? (or shall i take this to facebook?) [00:26] Here is fine. I'm in Tuscaloosa [00:26] ardya (ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:26] hmm that's not far from fort walton beach [00:26] (or is it? /me checks google maps) [00:26] It's not; about 5 hrs iirc [00:27] I make that drive once a year usually :) [00:27] bah 6 hrs [00:27] to fort walton beach? [00:27] guys I keep seeing PXE here and there but I'm not aware what is that, yesterday only I saw on HP x6800 [00:27] Okay, yeah, maybe 6 then. [00:27] why do you come down here? [00:27] Yeah, we take a beach trip at least once a year, usually to Ft Walton [00:27] ah beach [00:27] Sometimes Destin, sometimes PCB [00:27] destin ain't so bad [00:27] is there a major airport near you? [00:27] Action: Delahunt checks [00:27] None of them are bad :) [00:28] Delahunt: BHM [00:28] about an hour from here [00:28] there's also tuscaloosa regional apprently [00:28] s/apprently/apparently [00:28] If you're considering a trip, I don't want to discourage you, but: we're supposed to get 2-4 inches of snow tonight, and if we don't, we're off to Meridian on Saturday [00:28] / [00:28] TCL is closed basically [00:28] pfft japan gets 6 inches per week [00:29] ah [00:29] dangit all this time we've been 6 hrs apart 8-S [00:29] oh well [00:29] TCL is open, but only to private plans and high roller types :) e.g. the UA Football team flew in there on Delta from the BCS game [00:29] Delahunt: you live in FL? [00:29] did, fort walton beach [00:29] visiting wife and kids, they will be flying over to japan soon [00:30] I didn't know that - I was thinking you were up north [00:30] why would you think that? 8-) [00:30] No idea really; I just did [00:30] lol [00:30] can anyone please give me an easy to understand url to what dd is? the man pages didn't make any sense !!!!!! [00:31] newbie2010, dd is basically a way to raw copy stuff from one thing to another [00:31] raw copy ... laud and clear now [00:31] thanks [00:31] you can use it to write all zeros to a drive (usb or ide) for example (DO NOT do that, it will destroy the data on it) among other thins [00:31] things [00:32] like backing up a MBR before installing/removing LILO/windows-mbr [00:32] yea i got that on my own when some loser from #linux tried to walk me through formating my usb [00:32] rworkman, the picture i took of that store btw was in japan [00:32] HAHAHA [00:32] he wanted to wipe my entire sda1 [00:33] newbie2010, you don't use dd to format a drive, you use it to back up stuff and/or clean stuff (the permanent cleaning type) [00:33] (although using the filesystem tools for backing stuff up, if available, is superior) [00:33] (imho) [00:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [00:34] well i've used dd to wipe USB sticks before but it's not recommended if you care about available write cycles (i.e. how long they last) [00:34] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-157-24.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Delahunt: Depends, I've seen people decommending fs utilities for backup [00:35] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:35] heya,folks [00:35] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [00:35] decommending? (i.e. not recommending?) [00:35] Delahunt: yeah, that word doesn't exist in English? [00:35] Delahunt: what is the best place i can read everything about the the bootable pratitions and how assign flags and everthing possible thing related to make a fair awareness of filesystems [00:35] i have never had an experience where the FS tools (mainly ntfs) didn't work right [00:36] Delahunt: http://www.coredumps.de/doc/dump/zwicky/testdump.doc.html [00:36] newbie2010, not sure, this is basically some of the basics [00:36] Delahunt: that was very informative ... i never knew that they have writting cycles [00:36] thought are writable forever [00:36] well technically their "half life" is probably 70 years down the road if they're made recently but it's worth noting [00:37] newbie2010, do you have any specific filesystem / partition questions? [00:37] newbie2010, read this: [00:37] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html [00:37] Action: Delahunt goes to get his jar of kimchi [00:37] yea i have that one in pdf format and doing a slow reading on it [00:37] The SlackBook is the one thing every single GNU/Linux user should read [00:37] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:38] that or slackware linux unleashed [00:38] I can't believe no one told me about 'apropos' before the SlackBook [00:38] my favorite but no longer for sale [00:38] still have a copy of that [00:38] went into awk and sed stuff, it was awesome [00:38] great book [00:39] B1ST (1000@d51A57D1D.access.telenet.be) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:39] came with slackware 3.0 (iirc) [00:39] Delahunt: I have slackware unleashed opened on my desk right now ... but it's worth nothing [00:39] newbie2010, why? too steep? [00:40] I would give it away for free .... an screwed up egyption trasnlation [00:40] you are egyptian? [00:40] nope ... Libyan [00:40] thank god [00:40] ah [00:40] I would commit suicide otherwise [00:40] lol [00:40] Action: Delahunt is american but is multi-cultural. been to kuwait, south korea multiple times, japan .... [00:40] binay (candyman@124.41.243.162) joined ##slackware. [00:41] I'm multi-cultural even though I've never been out from my city [00:42] does not take much traveling to know the world nowawadays [00:42] newbie2010, so, any specific filesystem / partition questions? [00:43] well, I'm windows slave who's trying to move to linux [00:43] so we're talking fat/ntfs/ext# here i guess [00:44] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:44] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-157-24.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:44] well first if the machine has a copy of windows on it and you want to keep that windows on there in case it is needed, you will need to probably shrink the partition (and/or possibly clean up what's on it; i would recommend a good defragmentation before you resize it as well) [00:44] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:44] i don't know if slackware has ntfs/fat shrinking tools on the installer yet so i would recommend a copy of gparted live [00:46] I thought gparted is a partitioning tool [00:46] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-139-214.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [00:46] it is [00:46] however i never run for me!!! [00:46] that's just a live cd with gparted on it [00:46] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:46] D3lahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] parted / gparted [00:47] yes [00:48] don't they come installed by default on linux? [00:48] it depends on the distribution man [00:48] or shall move to some specific directory first to be able to run them? [00:48] Shuckton. [00:48] oic [00:48] um they have to be installed [00:49] but I assume they were out long enough to be founded on my v12.1 [00:49] i have no clue [00:49] okay [00:51] i think now i'm going to start missing with an infected with virus usb memory stick using dd [00:51] i tried all possible formating tools on widows but nothing happend [00:51] one last question for you please ... [00:52] no prolem [00:52] er problem [00:52] ask [00:52] in DMS OS we were thought that the minimum required files to boot up the system is MSDOS.SYS / IO.SYS / COMMAND.COM [00:52] what is the case for linux [00:53] a kernel and a shell [00:53] I wan to make the smallest possible bootable linux usb [00:53] linux isn't windows [00:53] they already have those (slax) [00:53] and from there i want to live the CLI commands only until i memorzie most of what I need for the basic usages [00:53] slax is too big [00:53] um you my not want to do that lol [00:54] well you can make a custom slax [00:54] you may want to live in graphical and learn shell as you go [00:54] ok kernel and shell.... but there must be a special away to write them to bootble filesystem [00:54] not just a copy paste style [00:56] that is a very slow pace ... I've into the graphical interface long enough with ms windows and got nothing out from it [00:56] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Quit: Changing server [00:56] i think CLI is what makes you understand what is going on [00:57] true but it can also be less than satisfying if you simply want to (for example) browse the web [00:57] binay (candyman@124.41.243.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:57] ran through alsaconfig to try and configure my sound, seemed to run ok, is there a program to run a beep or something to test it out ? [00:58] aplay somewavfile.wa [00:58] v [00:58] sound files available at /usr/share/sounds (iirc) [00:59] for surffing the web there is lynx but no problem with using the GUI for the surffing and reading propuses only :D [00:59] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.194.135) joined ##slackware. [01:00] thanks [01:00] so ... where i can read about the kernel & shell on the a bootble file system? Delahunt [01:00] binay (candyman@124.41.244.250) joined ##slackware. [01:00] are those only two files or more? [01:01] ardya (ardy@rdb.ardynet.com) joined ##slackware. [01:01] um i was over-simplifying [01:01] hold on i'll get a good URL [01:01] ok [01:02] lancel00t_ (~lancel00t@68-117-27-242.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:02] http://www.bglug.ca/articles/linux_boot_process.html [01:03] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] fukin 1500 worthless pages of this Linux Unleashed which cost me fortune [01:03] i'm experimenting tonight with running slackware 13 inside slackware64-13 in order to have skype run in the virtualbox [01:04] lancel00t_ (~lancel00t@68-117-27-242.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:04] binay (candyman@124.41.244.250) left irc: Client Quit [01:05] k need a bit of help, alsaconf finds two drivers probing my system , hda-intel Intel Corporation 8280 1I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller & legacy Probe legacy ISA (non PnP) * hda-intel, configures fine, but no sound. Legacy won't even bother installing. As far as I know this laptop has NVIDIA HD Audio , where should i start lookin ? [01:05] good luck with whatever you're doing d3lahunt ... you're the man [01:06] and thanks for the talk (help) [01:08] no problem [01:09] xorsurgeon, don't use the isa legacy [01:09] xorsurgeon, did you check alsamixer? 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[01:52] except you brokedown :D [01:52] i'm v12.1 [01:53] pidgin is pretty old on this one so i'm updgrading now [01:53] why don't you walk me through the installation process instead ;-) [01:53] hard unless you pastebin an error message [01:53] newbie2010: you could try to use the slackbuild from a newer version of slackware to get a newer version of pigdin [01:55] The-Croupier (~agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [01:55] Configure error : GtkSpell development headers not found [01:55] Why don't you use a newer version of Slackware? [01:55] so install GtkSpell [01:55] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:56] Greetings guys ;) [01:56] hi The-Croupier [01:56] hiya rworkman long time no see, [01:56] hiya hiya dive [01:56] rworkman: i told you that already .... v13.0 LiLo is not working on this laptop while v12.1 does [01:56] The-Croupier: ola :) [01:57] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [01:57] newbie2010: you didn't tell *me* - and besides, that makes no sense [01:57] you were not reading then ... scroll up [01:57] Action: The-Croupier gets popcorn and wanders how much patience rworkman has...;) :p [01:58] Sorry, you don't get to decide how much I read while trying to help. [01:58] The- Coupier: you forgot the kissing ass role you're palying [01:59] Or you don't know either of us and you're just making a misguided assumption. [01:59] newbie2010: hhahahahah, i was just going to help you... you got me before i could press enter... [01:59] you see return and backspace are just next to eachother in my laptop... i get confused... [01:59] rworkman: I'm not deciding anything here, i'm stating the fact that I've told you that when Delahunt asked the same question. [01:59] ohh and lilo is working fine here :p [02:00] newbie2010: so what does it have to do with me :( [02:00] lol [02:00] The-Croupier: I seek help but I never beg for anyting ;-) [02:00] newbie2010: i see that [02:00] that is why I'm moving the linux [02:00] Action: The-Croupier hides [02:00] I have a new laptop with intel gma hd graphics, does anyone know how well the drivers will work with Linux at this time? [02:01] newbie2010: what do you mean by "moving" ... [02:01] otherwise ... I would enjoy my lazy popcorn habbitual life with windows xp [02:01] hope it means to ubuntu [02:01] newbie2010: that's fine, but here's the deal: I'm not sitting here reading the channel constantly. I switch to this window, and if there's something on the screen that looks interesting, I might respond. I *rarely* will go back and read all of the associated chatter. [02:01] Do I sometimes miss stuff because of that? Yes. Is that going to change? No. [02:02] brokedown: what exact graphics chipset? [02:02] rworkman: that makes sense ... np [02:02] newbie2010: thats what we all do ... most of the time ;) [02:02] I've stated many times in this very channel that v13.0 LiLo is crashing on the same system [02:02] Nick change: pragma_ -> umopepisdn` [02:02] newbie2010: also, there are filters you can put even in irssi ;) that would highlight your important words of interest... ;) [02:03] Lilo doesn't "crash" - you'd need to get us a better error than that. [02:03] couldn't boot up directly form the linux parition .. the only way i could make it to v13.0 is through the installation dvd boot [02:04] will it does during the configuration process of the installation [02:04] umop ap!sdn [02:04] rworkman: it is the newest one that is built in on the newest intel chips, the chip is Core i7-620M that had the graphics built in, all I know is the model is called gma hd, I haven't tried to install Linux yet on it [02:04] umopepisdn`: ^ [02:04] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Action: fhobia tries to decipher "umopepisdn`: ^" [02:05] hmm... [02:05] brokedown: As long as it's not that crazy chipset in some of the netbooks or some such (I don't recall the name - Poulsbo maybe?), then it should be fine. [02:05] Action: The-Croupier wonders how did he get the ass-liking version by saying hi? :( [02:05] rworkman: thanks [02:05] brokedown: I've got a fairly new Thinkpad T400, but the i7 chipsets are newer than that, so... [02:06] fhobia: upside down --> umop ap!sdn [02:06] rworkman: this is a Thinkpad T410, but the intel graphics is brand new, so I wondered [02:06] (which is what it seems umopepisdn` is shooting for) :) [02:06] hahaha ! man [02:06] lol [02:06] haha [02:07] brokedown: oh, nice. I saw the 410's were out, and they look tempting :) [02:09] rworkman: I just got it today so I haven't got to play with it much, but the new mobile i7 really seams to be smokin chip [02:10] hmmm... so anybody know what needs to be done with the kopete in slack13.0 so that it can connect to facebook jabber/xmpp? [02:10] I get an error about kopete not supporting xmpp 1.0 [02:11] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:11] i hate facebook :( sorry [02:12] jeev_ (~email@71-83-171-195.static.lsan.ca.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [02:12] jeev_ (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [02:12] no wondering, you hate all the wining and winners ;-) [02:12] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:13] jeev_ (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Quit: poof [02:14] i rest my case...;) [02:14] I hate all the spelling [02:15] nothing is so enteresting to memorize the rediculas spelling of English language but you bet on other real stuff [02:16] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] English = To0ol not a language [02:23] k need a bit of help, alsaconf finds two drivers probing my system , hda-intel Intel Corporation 8280 1I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller & legacy Probe legacy ISA (non PnP) * hda-intel, configures fine, but no sound. Legacy won't even bother installing. As far as I know this laptop has NVIDIA HD Audio , where should i start lookin ? [02:24] xorsurgeon: after you configured with alsaconf did you check alsamixer to adjust the settings? [02:25] yes [02:26] all the levels were at max [02:26] aplay any of the wav files in /usr/share/sounds doesnt actually play anything [02:26] but i will get : Playing WAVE 'pop.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono [02:27] that suggests it is a setting in the mixer then, or maybe hardware levels [02:27] maybe a switch [02:28] I have had a setting in mixer maxed out but mutted giving me trouble before [02:28] unmute pcm and master in alsamixer. [02:28] you know that you have to press 'm' to unmute the sliders in alsamixer right? [02:31] just tried toying with that, not helping. [02:32] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [02:33] davi` (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:33] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:38] if it totally doesn't work, upgrade your kernel. [02:39] doomey1 (~doomey@188.24.77.61) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:40] im using the latest stable slack 13 64 bit release [02:40] xorsurgeon, does 'alsamixer -c 1' bring up the other soundcard? [02:40] dive, there is only one souncard. [02:40] wrong c argument 1 [02:41] aplay -l [02:41] 3 entries [02:41] card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 3: NVIDIA HDMI [NVIDIA HDMI] [02:41] is the third [02:41] the two above looking identical one being Analog the other Digital [02:42] oh. so you've misordered sound outputs. [02:42] sometimes newer video cards have some sound built in for hdmi that can cause problem configuring alsa [02:42] gotta make an .asoundrc :) [02:43] per home directory ? [02:43] xorsurgeon, http://home.roadrunner.com/~infofiles/asoundrc/usb-default [02:44] xorsurgeon, use this one as an example and put it either to /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc. [02:44] ttyX (~haider@59.178.197.196) joined ##slackware. [02:44] /etc/asound.conf being globally defined , ~/.asoundrc being specific to the user im guessing ? [02:44] correct [02:45] appreciate it, ill take a look [02:46] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:46] xorsurgeon, this page has usage info: http://home.roadrunner.com/~infofiles/asoundrc.examples.html [02:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [02:49] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: [02:50] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.194.135) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:51] ty [02:53] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [02:53] hi, are there any xfce fans here? [02:55] well, xfce users??? [02:58] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:00] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:00] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:00] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:02] iniusman (~iniusman@202.93.37.89) joined ##slackware. [03:03] i reinstalled to slackware-current, alll good. but after i put my /home back, my desktop looks like this: [03:03] http://bildites.lv/viewer.php?file=sanb2ri16wshn4glo972.png [03:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] this must be the xfce settings at my home folder, right? but there seem to be no changes to xfce in the changelog [03:04] ttyX (~haider@59.178.197.196) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:07] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/upgrade-of-shared-mime-info-current-all-icons-missing-762746/ > zux [03:08] seems to be my problem... [03:09] i tryed but failed at asking the right question to google... [03:09] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [03:09] iniusman (~iniusman@202.93.37.89) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-165.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:15] hmm, strange but it seems not to help me [03:16] the comman to update my users mime databes gives this error: [03:16] Directory '.local/share/mime/packages' does not exist! [03:16] 'morning [03:16] zux, this issue came upfront some time ago. you should update your local mime database as per the latest post in the thread. [03:16] zux, try removing a couple of dirs with "mime" in the names :) [03:16] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:17] slava_dp, from where? my home? [03:17] yup. [03:17] .local/share/mime? [03:17] find ~ -name "*mime*" [03:18] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:19] slava_dp, do you mean all of them? [03:19] .wine has a lot of files with *mime* [03:19] directories or files with *mime* in the name [03:19] find ~ -name "*mime*" -exec rm -R {} \; [03:19] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-70-131-115-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] :-) [03:20] I take it that includes thunderbird and akonadi files with *mime* in the name :) [03:20] and seamonkey [03:21] ok, i'll try to log off now [03:21] alisonken1home, was it you who also had the bug in current with the intel driver? [03:23] alisonken1noc, [03:23] i meant... [03:23] yes [03:23] my laptop [03:24] wel i have the same bug [03:24] only init 3 & init 4 helps [03:24] zux, /extra has a couple of drivers for you. [03:25] ok - might want to email pat and let him know your setup. you can refer to me so he can remember an earlier post alisonken1 (Ken Roberts) [03:27] I fixed it by using the extra/xf86-video-intel-alternative/xf86-video-intel-2.7.1-i486-2.txz [03:27] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:27] the 2.8.x drivers didn't work for me [03:27] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [03:28] at least in -current [03:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[03:49] how i can use bluetooth in Slackware [03:51] Blue_Slacker86, bluetooth is a pita in slackware 13.0 due to bluez stack being 3.0 instead of 4.0 which every gui supports now. no luck as far as I know. wait for Pat to add bluez 4 or add it yourself. [03:51] you won't be able to find a gui for bluez 3 now. [03:51] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:51] http://lysender.co.cc/2010/01/slackware-13-and-bluetooth/ <-- see if this helps as well [03:52] You don't need a GUI to configure bluetooth [03:52] bluez 4 were a pita in general, at least earlier versions. havent heard anyone complaining too loudly lately [03:53] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-165.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:53] damnit.. [03:53] load average: 29.29, 26.94, 22.45 [03:53] :((( [03:54] on a 2.5GHz 8-core, 32GB RAM system [03:54] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [03:54] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@93.37.157.116) left irc: Changing host [03:54] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:54] http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/browse_thread/thread/a9b8abe2ab73ff3e?pli=1 <-- someone fixed his bluetooth with bluez 4.56 and slackware 13 [03:55] one commenter said he fixed it by using slapt-get and adding some gnome stuff [03:55] I miss my plug & play windows box [03:56] another guy said reinstalled libnl from l/ and recompiled bluez [03:56] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:58] so far that last link everyone removed official slackware packages and used slapt-get to upgrade/install from gsb repository for bluetooth [03:59] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [03:59] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [03:59] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. 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[04:00] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:00] indeed [04:00] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Excess Flood [04:00] s/kick/ban/ [04:00] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. [04:00] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) left irc: Changing host [04:00] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:00] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:00] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [04:00] slava_dp: I believe wicd is being written by a couple of other guys here besides alienBOB :) [04:00] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. [04:00] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) left irc: Changing host [04:00] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:00] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:01] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. 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[04:06] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) left irc: Changing host [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:06] alienBOB: ping toytoy ^^ [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) left irc: Changing host [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:06] pprkut, ain't you an op too? [04:06] nope [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:06] auto-reconnect + autorejoin sucks. [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) left irc: Changing host [04:06] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:07] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:07] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. 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[04:08] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:08] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. [04:08] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) left irc: Changing host [04:08] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:08] alisonken1noc, i'm somehow afraid to use such big man's time with my little problems.... :) [04:08] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:08] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [04:08] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) left irc: Changing host [04:08] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:09] k4ne (~k4ne@unaffiliated/k4ne) joined ##slackware. [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) left irc: Changing host [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@112.202.49.93) left irc: Changing host [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:09] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:09] zux: it's not wasting his time when there's a stability issue. besides, emails are easy to work with [04:10] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [04:10] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) left irc: Changing host [04:10] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:10] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:10] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Excess Flood [04:10] he replied to mine with a request for some extra info so they could verify on their end, but he's easy to work with on problems [04:10] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [04:10] toytoy (~dindin@222.127.248.89) left irc: Changing host [04:10] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:10] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*dindin@*unaffiliated/toytoy' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [04:10] toytoy kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: toytoy [04:10] jiihaaa [04:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:10] ok, i'll write to him [04:10] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [04:11] ok - #freenode had an issue with toytoy on several channels and klined him or redirected him to #fix_your_connection [04:11] so we weren't the only channel affected [04:12] alienBOB: thanks :) [04:13] alisonken1noc, but it looks like the default on current is 2.8.0 [04:13] /var/log/packages/xf86-video-intel-2.8.0-i486-1 [04:13] did you try the 2.8.1 also? [04:14] yep - and ended up going to the 2.7 version in extra/ [04:14] ok, i'll try that too, before i write [04:14] once you do, let him know which versions you tried and which one worked [04:14] mhm [04:15] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:17] Chogan (~Chogan@odnb-4db72869.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:17] Chogan Hermann k4ne Desiderius agentc0re CtrlAltCa Wiren darkwurm Agiofws Blue_Slacker86 timahvo1 ga_bash fAu functionoverform tiny alisonken1noc alkos333 jareth_ cybErpunk mbohun [04:17] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:17] hahaha [04:17] tltstc slava_dp RaNdY fs_ dive ThomasLocke ardya eviljames matu expl0it ilj thumbs militant mario corretico Richlv Wescotte pattwo dchmelik lyminsk phrak jailbox jg71 nobuddy usus12jari [04:17] bgeddy test34 pupit foobarz Kaapa AlexElliott dTd ph|ber fatalnix mac- alicephilippa mshade wolven fadein Steaki Xires adaptr lmao2k euzao Necos Aldaron dhabyx edman007 SiegeX velusip [04:17] Chogan, kiss kiss [04:17] fuzzix byteframe kaifan plutonium Lafy jd theblackerbox feinom zaltekk snL20 goarilla dtanner newbie2010 e01 GooseYArd sinkigobopo init[1] Plasmastar nyRednek vbatts Alan_Hicks PiterPunk [04:17] XGizzmo thrice` chess epoch ArTourter grazymax oobe phrag eldragon errordeveloper haqe17 stillborn kloeri frimer Bugz heaumer Skaperen anavel Reticenti glarb merciful dtzWill fire|bird [04:17] lf4 bigpaws IceChant BP{k} pseudonymous pprkut boojit PenPerkInc simplex Scuzz NaCl usr13 brokedown mishehu sid77 PeanutHorst Ephedrax_ StevenR rapid F15ch3r panzer nooper xorsurgeon [04:17] giuppy ienh ang hayaka CygnusX1 danklesman icarus vhann_ TheTrash Euthanatos raela ananke tank-man alisonken1home TheGroove fallen higuita Deiz jafnhar SIGBUS_ MrJackson ZMR mirmillo [04:17] alienBOB, one more for the ban [04:17] Greyhound- hackeron yarvin alienBOB powtrix ut Stx chopp dErFz Zosma straterra mrpwnage stybla petaflot Kamel _theradar bjqrn Azalyn janemba Kowalczyk Weird0ne sitwon plee cyb3r3li0g [04:17] Bugz_ gnrp slackboy Camarade_Tux Asmadeus IrquiM redtricycle Rint__ invictus rworkman pireau SlackNews Joker_-_ Skywise chuck56 RJz0r Budd^ toast10101 engrxyz C00re mindbendr looker [04:17] jumperboy OpenSys v3gard JJJunkk slackmagic rk4n3 MOVNTDQA umopepisdn` jaskorpe spook SpacePlod hackedhead zarock dermoth gregsparc Urchlay tmm1 ikonia Politics kitche rachael tewmten [04:17] marra XGizzmo_ laj gartt erk Dominian KB1JWQ Zordrak LSD` jdetring hoobop kslen Shuren Tabmow evilaz stunix kethry askhader wahooooo Matt tmkd crn_ konus felipe mag0o dngr MoZes mmlj4 [04:17] amazon10x alienBlurb NetrixTardis packeteer acidchild signal11 Fleurety jgor jeev sadsfae CaptObviousman [04:17] yeah - I believe it was the same guy did the same thing in #freenode with the name crap [04:18] what exactly is he trying to accomplish? [04:18] besides being annoying [04:18] Only that I think. [04:18] Chogan (~Chogan@odnb-4db72869.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: K-Lined [04:18] lol [04:19] k-lined, boom! [04:19] I saw someone do that in #php when he thought the ops abused their power [04:19] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [04:19] hey I'm chmod +x filename.SlackBuild then run ./filename.SlackBuild but I keep getting an error:connot open:No such file or directory [04:20] it was toytoy in disguise according to #freenode [04:20] jiihaa, my icons are back :) [04:20] who was toytoy? [04:20] newbie2010: the slackbuild requires that you d/l the package also - it doesn't retrieve the source for you [04:20] try using sbopkg or slackbuilds.org and read up on slackbuilds [04:20] newbie2010, use sbopkg [04:20] zux: the guy that was flooding the channel earlier with join/part messages [04:21] zux, what did you do to bring icons back? [04:21] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:21] deleted thos mime folders [04:21] then after logout they where back [04:21] zux: from an upgrade I take it? [04:21] well yes [04:22] i copied my home folder [04:22] the system is a clean install [04:22] yep - there are some things in a home folder that are best not reused after a major upgrade [04:22] i'm just so happy about the speed of my system on encrypted partition [04:23] Bacta (~USER@unaffiliated/bacta) joined ##slackware. [04:23] Denisha (~Denisha@65.48.177.184) joined ##slackware. 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[04:23] usus12jari bgeddy test34 pupit foobarz Kaapa AlexElliott dTd ph|ber fatalnix mac- alicephilippa mshade wolven fadein Steaki Xires adaptr lmao2k euzao Necos Aldaron dhabyx edman007 [04:23] SiegeX velusip fuzzix byteframe kaifan plutonium Lafy jd theblackerbox feinom zaltekk snL20 goarilla dtanner newbie2010 e01 GooseYArd sinkigobopo init[1] Plasmastar nyRednek vbatts [04:23] Alan_Hicks PiterPunk XGizzmo thrice` chess epoch ArTourter grazymax oobe phrag eldragon errordeveloper haqe17 stillborn kloeri frimer Bugz heaumer Skaperen anavel Reticenti glarb [04:23] Denisha (~Denisha@65.48.177.184) left irc: K-Lined [04:24] Spaim. [04:24] that was quick. [04:24] wth is up with that freak [04:24] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:24] somebody wakes up alone a little too frequently ;) [04:24] k-line his hole subnet is what i say. [04:24] omg why my name :-/ [04:24] You can't [04:24] Dave2 (~Dave2@freenode/staff/dave2) joined ##slackware. [04:24] He's on a new host each time [04:24] evilmquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [04:24] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [04:24] czajkowski (~cypher@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.czajkowski) joined ##slackware. [04:24] ignore him ...that is what happened when he has no bf [04:25] wow [04:25] lol [04:25] staff seem interested [04:25] Hi staff! [04:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430739.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430739.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:25] staff is apparently monitoring him due to his spamming multiple channels [04:26] i'm wondering where is alienbob and slackboy who kept kicking me for decades for coming to the channel with root account [04:26] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:26] slackboy is a bot [04:26] newbie2010: still here [04:26] even though I didn't/don't care [04:26] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:26] good to hear to BOB [04:26] everybody get's slackboy's attention at one point or another [04:26] And only the bot kicks users for logging in as root, not I [04:26] I only kick assholes [04:27] RichiH (~richih@freenode/staff/richih) joined ##slackware. [04:27] or not using a pastebin :) [04:27] Hi RichiH :D [04:27] matter of I can be an asshole at some point specially when i'm dealing with rutton dogs [04:27] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [04:28] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) joined ##slackware. [04:28] alienBOB, have you ever been a newbie in anything? [04:28] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [04:28] nop, he went right to college at age 2 days [04:29] newbie2010: certainly! [04:29] But I did my own research and tried not to ask newbie questions too soon [04:30] you must tolerate newbie faults then ... specially if someone is brand newest newbie who doesn't even know how to create an account other than the default root and seek your or anyone's else help [04:30] alisonken1noc, do you use an external monitor on your laptop? with the 2.7.1 driver I have an even worse bug.... [04:30] newbie2010, you should have just read the install instructions [04:31] well, that is a good point but do you believe that everyone has the same tools and luxury you had? [04:31] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:31] zux: I've used an external projector and monitor both [04:31] i have not seen one without an instruction of how to create a user [04:31] alisonken1noc, i'll make a screenshot and show you how it looks now for me.... [04:32] firefox is almost unusable... [04:33] zux: That's nothing new or unusual :P [04:33] well not in that kind of point [04:33] http://bildites.lv/images/8bsjmj1t1hdgtzhzjpo.png [04:34] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:34] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [04:34] looks fine for me [04:34] what seems to be the problem? [04:34] look at the top [04:35] are you using an xorg.conf file? [04:35] can you see the doubling buttons, those meant to close the window [04:35] no, i'm not [04:35] newbie2010: I am pretty tolerant to newbie questions... more so than the average channel resident. But I am allergic to stupidity. [04:35] czajkowski (cypher@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.czajkowski) left ##slackware. [04:35] is that with an external monitor? [04:35] yes [04:36] all good if i switch to the laptops display [04:36] might need to look up on xrandr then, or see if krandr will help [04:36] need to validate the settings on the second monitor [04:36] it took me a few tries as well to find the right settings between laptop widescreen and external stadnard projector/monitor [04:37] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:37] well i just switch of the laptops display when using the external one [04:38] might also want to see if you can extend the desktop to the external monitor rather than mirroring the desktop to the monitor [04:38] Morn [04:38] http://pastebin.com/m1ab90e94 [04:41] mirroring was also ok, just that the external monitor was also on 1024x768 [04:42] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-70-131-115-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:43] alisonken1noc, intel has this issue with the virtual screen larger than 2048x2048, so i cannot use extended monitor [04:43] Bacta (~USER@unaffiliated/bacta) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:44] i'll try again the newer drivers, maybe it'll work with those [04:44] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:45] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:45] suspecting aleinBOB intelligence now :there no stupid questions: :there are stupid answers: [04:46] newbie2010: you are mostly correct there [04:47] RMS GNU/Linux-Libre: rms is mostly slax [04:47] newbie2010: the problem with a lot of people here is that there is an excellent tutorial on basic linux administration at the slackbook wiki that covers a _lot_ of the questions we get asked here [04:48] and the book is also for sale at the slackware store, so you have the option of free online study or purchase a dead-tree version for other times [04:49] well, I totally agree with the boredom of the repeatitive questions ... but this is what an open to public chat for! [04:50] matter of fact I don't deny the help I got from this channel many times [04:50] newbie2010: Yes but it does help if you do "some" research before. [04:50] and to be more honnest ... it's better than all the crappy reading I did [04:50] have you ever done work at a tech support center? :) [04:50] alison: story of my life [04:51] if you have, then you should know the feeling about answering the same questions over and over when they're covered by the wiki and/or book that's prominently set up and pointed to [04:51] lol [04:51] shit you got me there [04:51] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [04:52] well that was a sad expierience.... [04:52] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:52] thankfully, I work in the noc so don't have to deal with the customer questions, but I monitor the tech support jabber and am continually glad that I'm a hardware guy [04:52] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [04:53] damn, this time when trying to switch to the external monitor it just restarted X.... [04:53] aliosn: noc is stand for? [04:53] network operations center - the server rooms [04:53] stands for what you should have done before entering [04:53] HAH [04:53] xorsurgeon (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:54] ++ Zordrak [04:54] we have electronic door locks- - either your badge works or you have to noc [04:54] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [04:54] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [04:55] Zordrak:before entering what? can you make a complete statment? don't answer I'm just wondering :) [04:55] alrighty folks [04:55] time to kick some ass [04:55] newbie2010: wonder quietly [04:55] cheers [04:55] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.43.70) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:55] newbie2010: noc noc - who's there? - get it? [04:56] too late :) [04:57] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:00] What's up with the thing printing all users in the channel(refering to 1hr ago), Why do people do that? [05:01] because their bot went postal and it doesn't have a gun [05:01] Blue-Slacker86 (~blue@2002:5f8f:c090::2525) joined ##slackware. [05:02] or it's the closest to a gun that the bot has rather [05:02] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:02] I see [05:02] Blue-Slacker86 (~blue@2002:5f8f:c090::2525) left irc: Client Quit [05:03] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [05:03] alisonken1noc, well i can now say that 2.8.0 works best for me [05:03] does it still do the logout issue? [05:03] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [05:07] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:07] probably, but the external monitor works at least... [05:07] that is more important to me [05:08] xorsurgeon (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:09] as long as you can work with it [05:09] so, i won't write to pat, if all of the drivers have bugs, i'll better stick with the one that works best for me... [05:10] having a hell of a time getting sound configured on this laptop, slack 13 64 bit. ran alsaconf, chose the Intel HD Driver it detected versus the Legacy one, alsamixer opens up fine, nothing is muted, yet I'm getting no sound from aplay on any wav files in /usr/share/sounds [05:12] xorsurgeon, try aplay -D hw0:1 /usr/share/sounds/*.wav [05:13] ALSA lib pcm.c:2202:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw0:1 [05:13] aplay: main:590: audio open error: No such file or directory [05:13] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [05:13] what device numbers does aplay -l list? [05:14] try specifying a different output with -D [05:14] 0, 1 & 3 [05:14] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [05:14] ok, aplay -D hw1:0 [05:15] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) joined ##slackware. [05:15] same error [05:15] i failed the syntax. it's -Dhw:0,0 [05:16] so try -D hw:1,0 or -D hw:0,1 [05:16] Action: Zordrak just realised OOo v3.2 is out.... and proceeds to start poking rworkman in the ribs till it hits SBo :) [05:16] having go-oo 3.2 would be nice too. [05:16] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:17] meh [05:18] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [05:18] aplay -D hw:0,0 & -D hw:0,1 & -D hw:0,3 * hang, need to CTRL-C to kill the process, hear nothing. [05:18] what is that go-oo thing anyway? [05:18] usus12jari (~ashe@114.59.19.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:20] http://go-oo.org/ [05:21] sorry, that's wrong, doesn't hang, i didn't specify the /usr/share/sounds/*.wav :P either way it runs through them, stating their Endian, bit rate, etc. but no sound is heard [05:21] at the very end came this : aplay: set_params:961: Sample format non available [05:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:23] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:26] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:27] xorsurgeon, and you are sure that there is some device connected at the output jack? [05:28] and the mixer is ok? [05:28] christel (~christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel) joined ##slackware. [05:28] and if powered speakers, volume turned up? [05:29] laptop speakers [05:29] mixer appears fine [05:29] (may be simple questions, but you'd be surprised how many people don't check some of the simple things) [05:29] ok [05:30] you now the old joke [05:30] i just did cat vmlinuz > /dev/dsp and i think i heard GOD.... [05:30] Master/Headphone/PCM and Speaker are adjustable via alsamixer [05:30] none of those 4 are muted (MM) [05:30] on laptops [05:30] k4ne (k4ne@unaffiliated/k4ne) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:31] is there a key to tune volume? [05:31] it might be hardware tuning it.... [05:31] xorsurgeon, i'd recommend you to /join #alsa [05:31] on the laptop itself ? there is, turning it up, Xwindows displays 100% [05:31] ok [05:31] do you have just /dev/dsp or more? [05:32] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:33] zux, /dev/dsp is oss compat device. alsa devices live in /dev/snd/* [05:33] yeah, but if there are more than one [05:34] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:34] euzao (~pedro@189.38.156.252) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:35] Action: slava_dp lunchtime! [05:35] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:36] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [05:36] xorsurgeon, i think i can't help you [05:36] zux, when you ask wether or not i have more than just /dev/dsp , how would i figure that out ? [05:36] well if there is /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp2 [05:36] if it's just /dev/dsp then that's just that [05:37] i had a problem when i connected my webcam [05:37] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [05:37] it was just a webcam, but my linux thought it was also a usb-audio card... [05:37] and made it default.. [05:37] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.60) left irc: Quit: velusip [05:37] only blacklisting the usb-audio module helped [05:38] this laptop does have a built in webcam + hdmi connection [05:38] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [05:39] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [05:39] lsmod | grep usb-audio [05:39] try this [05:39] also it's just a wild guess, that the problem could be the same [05:39] nothing [05:40] well then you probably don't have my problem... [05:40] what does lspci say about audio cards? [05:40] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [05:41] which is the same driver, alsaconf finds (hda-intel) [05:41] mine is: [05:41] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) [05:41] and works fine [05:42] try #alsa [05:43] maybe they can help you [05:45] hello friend ! [05:46] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:46] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [05:47] thanks [05:47] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [05:54] slava_dp: you got a mo? [05:59] what is the correct way in the new X.org to set the keyboard layout automatically [06:00] i right now write setxkbmap lv -variant apostrophe [06:03] RLa (~rla@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [06:03] how are packages update, do i have to remove old package and then install new one? [06:03] updated* [06:04] upgradepkg [06:04] RLa: upgradepkg [06:04] or slackpkg [06:05] zux: looks about right... put it in your .xinitrc [06:05] zux: http://blog.tpa.me.uk [06:05] alisonken1noc, thanks [06:05] zux: searh it for xorg [06:06] zux: its instructions for telling hal what to give to X [06:06] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.2.96) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:11] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*dindin@*unaffiliated/toytoy expired. [06:11] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*dindin@*unaffiliated/toytoy' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:11] I think slackboy needs a permanent ban on toytoy [06:11] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:11] anyone with a bit of knowledge on gcc and ada compilation in general ? I have an ada example program that I wish to cross compile. The basic compile sequence is ( gcc -c hello.adb; gnatbind hello; gnatlink hello ) [06:13] If I supply gcc with the -m32 option for making a 32bit object file, it works, gnatbind also continues to work (it seems), but gnatlink throws some errors about the input not being the right arch. And I can't seem to figure out how to tell gnatbind that I'm trying to make 32bit binaries [06:13] alisonken1noc: Ive added it to chanserv [06:13] pseudonymouis: man gnatbind and see what options are available for cross compile? [06:13] Stx: thanks [06:14] alisonken1noc: that's the annoying part, there's no man page [06:15] http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gnatbind.html [06:17] --RTS= looks promising [06:19] alisonken1noc, yea, going to try and see if it works [06:21] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) joined ##slackware. [06:22] oo.. vbox now doing ICH6 ide controllers [06:28] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.169) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Zordrak, ask [06:29] slava_dp: does your box have nagios-plugins installed on it? [06:29] Zordrak, no, but I can install them if needed. i haven't tried nagios still. [06:30] I'm working on installing nagios on my slackware box for testing [06:30] slava_dp: can you install it from SBo? then tell me if it changes ownership of /usr to nagios? [06:30] Wierd, gnatlink stubbornly insists on looking in the same directory even though I specified another using the --RTS switch [06:30] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [06:30] Menno dropped me an email saying it had on his... but it never has on mine... looking for a sanity check [06:31] Zordrak, i'll try now. [06:31] pseudonymous: try passing the other option about not looking in default lib path as well [06:31] slava_dp: ta. youll need a nagios user/group [06:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:32] -nostdlib --RTS=.... [06:32] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.139.37) joined ##slackware. [06:33] vbox work fine on slack? [06:33] several people here use it from what I've seen [06:33] PsYkHe: Works for me [06:33] PsYkHe, works great [06:34] file the install is a .run? [06:34] any how to? to install. [06:34] PsYkHe, you can have the open version from slackbuilds.org or the closed one from sun. [06:34] PsYkHe: I use PUEL from slackbuilds.org script [06:34] I believe that's a standard convention, not enforced, but I haven't played with vbox yet [06:34] snap [06:35] okay, thankz.... [06:35] Action: andrew_46 meant the OSE version [06:35] I go now, put in slackbuilds, the script and binary file. [06:36] PsYkHe, http://sbopkg.org [06:36] i love that the binary ver knows about slack.. it even modifies rc.local for you [06:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:37] sbopkg? [06:38] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [06:38] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) left irc: Changing host [06:38] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [06:38] is there a special tool for generating pre shared keys ? [06:38] wpa type preshared keys? or ssh keys? [06:38] /dev/random ? [06:39] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [06:39] virtualbox-kernel System 3.1.2 13.0 [06:39] /usr/sbin/wpa_passphrase [06:39] virtualbox-ose System 3.1.2 13.0 [06:39] /usr/bin/ssh-keygen [06:39] are it two scripts? [06:40] PsYkHe: read the READMEs [06:40] I need modify my kernel? [06:40] alisonken1noc, no vpn one [06:40] vpn would be ssh keys [06:40] ok thanks [06:41] akseya (~bd0b3ec2@gateway/web/freenode/x-wcurjxowfsapuqbg) joined ##slackware. [06:41] Zordrak, it's building [06:41] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [06:41] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [06:41] alisonken1noc, ssh-keygen is for RSA keys as I see ? [06:41] slava_dp: ta [06:42] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [06:42] Zordrak, hahaha, yes, /usr, /usr/libexec, /usr/share etc. are all "nagios nagios" [06:43] aw fudge [06:43] F15ch3r: I believe so [06:43] wpa_passphrase has did the job [06:43] thank you [06:43] i'm going to check what causes it [06:44] F15ch3r: wpa_passphrase is typically used for wpa/wpa2 wireless [06:44] yes but It gave a strong psk key [06:45] hey guys.. i'm doing a PXE boot server here.. my problem is, there is already a DHCP server on my network.. is there a way to configure my server to answer to dhcpdiscovers/dhcprequests only if they came from a client trying to boot from PXE? [06:46] Zordrak, good that I did it in a vm :) [06:46] akseya: you'll still run into a race condition with that other dhcp server, even if you respond to a subset of clients [06:46] virtualbox-kernel-3.1.2.tar.xz what file is this? [06:46] askeya: yes - read up on dhcp [06:47] SOUL_OF_R00T (l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:47] i added allow bootp and deny unknown-clients on my server.. but then it does not respond to anyone... [06:47] GAH, gnatbind accepts the RTS switch, gnatlink doesn't. The only thing i can find for gnatlink of interest is "-b target" where this apparently refers to the -b switch of gcc. But I can't see where these target configuration strings are [06:47] that's because clients are unknown until they get setup [06:48] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [06:48] unless you specifically setup dhcp.conf and pxeboot with their mac addresses [06:48] Zordrak, man, what the heck. chown -R nagios.nagios $PKG/* [06:48] Zordrak, it's in the SlackBuild [06:48] slava_dp: i know i know [06:49] Now I can agree that Slackware philosophy is the most successful one between all the other distro ! especially about packages managements [06:49] i didnt know at the time this would overwrite the existing permissions [06:50] when you use a package like debian for example you are limited about the version outdated.. and many bugs [06:50] alisonken1noc: is there a way to do that without setting up the clients?! [06:51] but when you compile from source you are sure you have the best and the most stable version of programs [06:51] akseya: http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX [06:51] F15ch3r: uhmm, nothing stops you from compiling your own software on debian [06:51] alisonken1noc: thanks... i'll go for some reading.. [06:51] ananke, but the packaging process is so much hassle both in dpkg and rpm world. [06:51] F15ch3r: and 'source' does not automatically mean 'best and most stable' [06:51] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:51] ananke, then what is the importance of packages ? if I gonna use the source ? [06:52] F15ch3r: to get a working base. [06:52] ananke, it come from the original authors.. what can the team of package management do ? [06:52] slava_dp: i don't think he's arguing about that. he says that compiling from source on slackware is somehow better [06:53] Nick change: oobe -> onfoeaf [06:53] Nick change: onfoeaf -> oobe [06:53] ananke, you can whip up a slackbuild pretty fast :) [06:53] F15ch3r: again, just because code is from original authors, doesn't mean it's 'best' or 'most stable'. [06:53] slava_dp: certainly, but i don't think he's doing those :) [06:54] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:54] ananke, I am using ubuntu server (derivate of debian server) and until now most of programs I have installed was with source compiled ! [06:55] expl0it (~loch@58.47.112.61) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:55] F15ch3r: what distribution maintainers have to do, regardless of distribution, is to pick software that works together. this means selecting specific versions, and even in certain cases patching it to make it work on a given platform. they simply compile for you [06:56] nvm :) Found it, to cross-compile the ada program to 32bit you do: ( gcc -m32 -c hello.adb; gnatbind --RTS=/link/to/32/bit/{adalib, adainclude} hello; gnatlink hello -m32 ) [06:56] ananke, generally specking the team who control database packages CAN DO NOTHING about fixing bug [06:56] F15ch3r: and that's fine that you compiled it. i fail to see where ability to compile your own software is 'most successful one between all the other distros' [06:56] pseudonymous, still struggling to rebuild alien's compat packages? [06:57] aha - RTS is in there somewhere, but NOT on gnatlink [06:57] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:57] whoever needs ada? [06:58] slava_dp: oh no, I did complete that, although I think there was some bugs 'cause I had to go back and change the buildscript for the static compiler. Also the patch supplied wouldn't apply the first hunk (guess it became outdated) so I had to remake that. [06:58] slava_dp: because it's there? :) [06:58] ananke, by experience, for me I am convinced about using the source instead of the package ! [06:59] goarilla (~goarilla@97.85-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [06:59] slava_dp, I need ada :P Well no.. I'm making a small script to see that my gcc compile is *sane* so I'm asking it to roll out some 32bit and 64bit versions of hello world in the languages: c++, c, ada, fortran(90) and java [06:59] cool [06:59] F15ch3r: again, that's your prerogative. doesn't change the fact that slackware is not the only distro you can compile software on [06:59] and I am thinking about migrating every server that I have in my net to slackware [07:00] if you were really that concerned about compiling everything, why not use LFS? [07:00] ananke, I compile software in 80% so why choosing other distro.. it's a lost of time and energy [07:00] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-rlsdmiwpygdidlei) joined ##slackware. [07:01] ananke, I am not very experienced [07:01] F15ch3r, slackware boxen galore! i've got 5 of them in proximity and one in a vm :) [07:01] but Slackware is a good way to LFS [07:02] F15ch3r: you have an interesting approach [07:02] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:02] slava_dp, yeah :D [07:03] Zordrak, my vm is still running if you want me to test another release of the plugins =) [07:04] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:04] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.169) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Zordrak, what is the order to install virtualbox by slackbuilds? first ose, second ose-addon, thirty kernel? [07:06] PsYkHe: you only need two, ose and kernel [07:06] either order it doesnt matter [07:06] slava_dp: ta.. will advise [07:08] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:08] slava_dp: email? [07:09] asamoah (~caio@200.2.127.149) joined ##slackware. [07:11] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:14] I'm correct in assuming that a I can find a slackware package tree on the install cd right ? I'm guessing what's meant is a directory with a bunch of subdirectories matching the package catergories of slackware (a, ap, d, l and all those) [07:14] correct [07:14] there are several directories, but the official tree is under the slackware/ or slackware64/ directories [07:15] the other directories like extra/ have other stuff that's not part of the official tree [07:15] gtludwig (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) joined ##slackware. [07:15] time to get me a 32bit install cd then ^^ [07:16] hey, how comes alt+F2 doesn't work any more on current [07:16] kjalil (~kjalil@kerneljack.com) joined ##slackware. [07:17] kjalil (kjalil@kerneljack.com) left ##slackware. [07:17] alt-f2 console mode? are you running kde? [07:17] how do I make a vbox vm part of the real host network? [07:19] woo. i just did. i thought some manual intervention was to be needed, but it just works. [07:19] nop. i'm running xfce [07:19] and want to run program with alt+F2 [07:20] i'm so used to running programs with alt+f@ [07:20] 2 [07:22] zux, run "xfrun4 --daemon" [07:23] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:23] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:25] slava_dp, from root or user? [07:25] user [07:26] didn't help [07:26] zux, then dig in the xfce configuration. [07:26] zux, also, "ps aux | grep xfrun" [07:26] just wondering, is it possible to move the root partition somewhere else and continue from there ? [07:27] rephrasing.. move the contents of the root partition. [07:27] slava_dp, it's running [07:27] pseudonymous, it's possible to move, but what do you want to do? [07:27] pseudonymous, of course it's possible. cp -a, or tar will let you do it. [07:27] pseudonymous, don't forget to rerun lilo [07:28] zux, then kill it. [07:28] ok, I'm thinking about moving my slackware install.. turns out 20gigs was too little.. And well, there's a unused Windows 7 install sitting on a nice fat 78gig partition ... ;) [07:28] gm152 (~quassel@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] pseudonymous, easy to do. [07:29] slava_dp, killed it [07:29] just don't move it while running it [07:29] what now? [07:29] alisonken1noc: of course not ! I have a feeling I would end up crying if I tried :P [07:29] zux, run "xfrun4", it should pop up. then try rerunning it in daemon mode [07:30] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:30] i need to hsfmodem in slackware 13 are there any body to help me [07:30] alisonken1noc, perfectly safe to do. [07:30] alisonken1noc, startup scripts will clean up the junk afterwards [07:30] as long as you don't try to copy /sys or /proc while you're running it :) [07:30] makes for an interesting copy to say the least [07:31] no /sys/ /proc /dev. [07:31] slava_dp, running xfrun works, it pop up, but not in daemon mode [07:32] no more clues then :) [07:32] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] zux, /join #xfce [07:32] reeve (~reeve@p5B13AB4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:32] hi [07:32] seems like the keys don't get to the daemon... [07:33] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:33] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Zordrak, the new build looks perfectly sane to me. [07:34] i'm new witch slackware. if i installed a program from source, how can i remove it? [07:35] reeve: if you still have the directory in which it was compiled, then "make uninstall" usually works [07:35] hey all, I'm running a linode with a 12.2 and I constantly get mysqld/httpd killed due to an out of memory issue... just wondering if anyone has any hints, because I'm failing miserably at tracking it down [07:36] did you ask linode staff to monitor memory usage and verify config files to conserve ram? [07:36] pseudonymous, does this mean, that i should keep all source files in a specific directory so i will be able to uninstall it later? or can i just download the source again and do make uninstall then [07:37] alisonken1home, haven't taken it that far yet... I assume my own stupidity first, as it's usually the weakest link =/ [07:38] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [07:38] reeve, try using slackbuilds.org in future. [07:38] reeve, then you will be able to just uninstall/upgrade/whatever the resulting tgz package. [07:38] SBo! [07:38] theblackbox: try reviewing your /etc/mysqld.conf and make sure it's using the settings from mysqld.conf.small and also the number of http servers being setup in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [07:39] reeve, there is a nice frontend to the repo: http://sbopkg.org [07:39] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:39] slava_dp, thanks [07:39] if i compile a package myself, the program is faster than i use a precompiled one isnt it? [07:40] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:40] reeve: not necessarily [07:40] alisonken1home, yeah, mysqld is not using small, so that's a good place to start, I guess, but I've tried calming the httpd.conf down as much as I can with MaxClients and KeepAlives turned off, but no difference [07:40] reeve, slackbuilds.org is about compiling yourself. read the howto. [07:40] plus, sbopkg actually builds the package from source (with a few minor exceptions, like OOo) [07:40] OOo from source rocks my world! [07:41] thanks [07:41] theblackerbox has a 128-cpu cluster for the sole purpose of building OOo from source. [07:42] OOo only builds with one job. So multiple cpus or cores won't matter ;) [07:42] actually I use the latent potential of a NNN .... that's a _Natural_ Neural Network.... essentially I run the source code through a Dolphins brain, I find it less controversial than clusters [07:43] pprkut, what a shitty build system [07:43] heh [07:45] bah [07:45] Nick change: theblackerbox -> theblackbox [07:45] slava_dp: so true :) [07:45] theblackbox (~sammo@92.25.71.168) left irc: Changing host [07:45] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:47] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [07:48] two other questions: where can i find the source of linux programs like "uname", "who" and so on. and do you know some nice papers where i can start learning about linux? [07:49] reeve: since they're part of basic slackware, you can find them on the dvd under src/ [07:49] inlcuding the slackbuild to build them [07:49] reeve: you can use your own slackware install to figure out which packages carry a binary/file and from that figure out which source package they're from. ( cd /var/log/packages; grep /usr/bin/uname * ) [07:50] morning all [07:50] or just "grep uname /var/log/packages/*" will do it as well [07:51] reeve: and about the source installs. Yes, unless you make a slackware package out of it, you'll have to keep the directory from which you compiled it. This is because when you run configure you may specify where to place various types of files as well as some packages allowing you to enable and disable specific features [07:51] kaifan (Kai@201.148.43.226) left irc: Quit: Gone! [07:52] reeve: meaning, you really need the original directory from where you issued "make install" to issue "make uninstall", a newly extracted directory has no clue what was made and where it was placed :) [07:52] alisonken1noc: nice, less typing :) [07:53] all right, thank you [07:53] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [07:53] reeve, although if you did not pass any ./configure options, a newly extracted directory will work too. you'll have to "./configure; make; make install; make uninstall" for the desired effect. [07:53] gm152 (~quassel@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:53] reeve, but if you configured with all the defaults, another extracted source folder should do [07:53] there new gfx card, time to see if I mplayer-vaapi actual works with it [07:53] okay [07:54] slava_dp, got me [07:54] zux, heh [07:54] and you even wrote more words [07:55] gtludwig (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:55] zux, i type blindly [07:55] me too, i just probably started later [07:56] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:56] slava_dp: thx [07:56] Zordrak, welcome :) [07:57] zux, wanna race? :) [07:57] zux, http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=trslava [07:57] is ti in english? [07:57] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [07:57] i'll defenetly lose in english [07:58] yup, it's english [07:58] wanna try latvian? :D [07:58] zux, wanna russian? :D [07:58] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:58] well i'd lose, but at least i could write somethink [07:59] it's just fun to race. I like doing it. [07:59] akseya (~bd0b3ec2@gateway/web/freenode/x-wcurjxowfsapuqbg) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:00] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:00] if you like to win, i can race with you :) [08:01] zux, heh, no. [08:05] reeve (~reeve@p5B13AB4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:05] slava_dp: submitted to pending [08:05] Zordrak, cool [08:05] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:05] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [08:06] makerc (~godzila@201-42-170-93.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:06] makerc (~godzila@201-42-170-93.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Changing host [08:06] makerc (~godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [08:07] is there any way i can run a graphical program from root terminal? [08:08] tb i'm logged in as user [08:08] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.27) joined ##slackware. [08:08] su - to root [08:08] and run graphical program from there? [08:08] vga console? [08:08] eem [08:08] no [08:09] i'm logged in on graphical interface [08:09] just want to run the same program i can, just with root privileges [08:09] if you're talking about running like kde as a user then run a program as root, then you would have to "kdesu " [08:09] otherwise root will not have access to X [08:09] but i get Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 [08:09] what de are you using? [08:10] zux, xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority; export DISPLAY=:0.0 [08:10] zux, then run your program. [08:10] if you're running gnome, then "gnomesu " shuld dwork [08:10] this is xfce [08:11] alisonken1noc, this generic method works even on twm :) [08:12] yep, this works [08:12] do i have to do it every time, after every reboot? [08:12] for root programs, probably [08:12] zux, can put it into /root/.bash_profile [08:12] ok [08:13] makerc (~godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [08:13] i can't remember, but i think i could run them all the time [08:13] but that was some time ago [08:14] if you log into X as root, of course [08:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:17] zux, on other distros, you can. not on slack. [08:17] no no [08:17] that was on slack [08:18] alice_c (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:18] and i wasn't logging in as root [08:18] :) [08:18] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:18] i needed some file in /root/ [08:18] or somthing like that [08:18] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:19] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [08:19] unless you setup a user with root permissions or setup sudo [08:19] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:20] zux: after you use xauth , you can run them with sudo with no problem [08:20] or xauth + (to let any one create windows on your X) [08:22] xhost + then on root console export DISPLAY=:0 then just open the prog [08:22] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [08:23] guax, xhost + exposes your X to the world. don't do that. [08:23] slava_dp, i like to live dangerously [08:23] you can use xhost + localhost [08:24] vpn? :) [08:26] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [08:26] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-191-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] hello [08:29] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:29] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [08:29] bah: my remote computer has almost no entropy available =/ (for /dev/random) [08:29] where can I set utf-8 as default text encoding for kde apps? [08:30] SOUL_OF_R00T (l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:30] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:32] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:32] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:34] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:35] gtludwig, set LANG to en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [08:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] and your whole system will be unicodized. almost. [08:37] anyone know of a regexp generator? [08:37] slava_dp, i did that, I forgot to comment out LC_COLLATE, though [08:37] something i can supply a set of strings too and it will produce a matching regexp? [08:37] Skywise: "generator"? [08:37] gtludwig, leave LC_COLLATE alone [08:37] Skywise: no =) [08:37] Skywise: .* will always work [08:37] i hate trying to figure it out manually [08:37] lol [08:37] you'd think but it don't [08:37] I mean: I don't think it's possible [08:38] Skywise, #regex [08:38] and "azedf" will match "azedf" [08:38] you can't make a good generator I suppose [08:38] why shouldn't those match? [08:38] Is there a way to use SSH not from a VT, but from a web page? In something like a java applet? Or is that too much of a PITA or not possible b/c SSL couldn't do enough? [08:39] gartt: anyterm [08:39] Camarade_Tux: Thanks, I'll check it out [08:39] Skywise: there is an infinite number of regexp that will match [08:40] gartt, there is Ajaxterm [08:40] anyterm works better =) [08:41] RLa: I think I've heard of it- but doesn't it require that you ssh through their servers, then to yours, so it's like a man-in-the-middle thing? [08:41] horde has a ssh window [08:42] gartt, it's just terminal emulator [08:43] slava_dp, kde apps still have problems displaying hyphenized characters and cedilla [08:43] RLa: Ok, thanks [08:45] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.139.37) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:46] Greyhound_ (Greyhound@79.114.26.141) joined ##slackware. [08:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-174.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:48] where do idiots get off doing a "made you look"? [08:50] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.26.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:50] can anyone grep /var/log/packages/* libxklavier.so.12 [08:50] gtludwig, no problems displaying russian and ukrainian filenames here. [08:51] "made you look you dirty crook, stole your mother's pocketbook, you turned it in you turned it out, you made it smell like sourkrout" -unknown author [08:51] slava_dp, can you pastebin your /etc/profile.d/lang.sh, please? [08:51] anyone know of a nedit slackbuild [08:52] anyone know what a nedit is? [08:52] i built the latest development source of nedit after removing lesstif and building openmotif and it works great [08:53] gtludwig, are you sure you are not using vfat as your filesystem? it has a problem with encodings, but it's fixable. [08:53] and the spellcheck in nedit works if you have tcsh installed [08:53] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] gtludwig, or, if you converted from windose, your filenames are probably in your local charset. i remember using convmv to sort that out. [08:54] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:54] gtludwig, my lang.sh is "export LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8" [08:55] slacks (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [08:55] or, should I clarify, "ru_UA.UTF-8" [08:55] slava_dp, i try to type "ç" on konsole and it comes out as "" [08:55] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/openmotif/ Zordrak build this, then build http://www.nedit.org/ftp/snapshot/nedit-latest-sources-HEAD.tar.gz [08:55] filesystem is ext4 [08:56] Pig_Pen: thanks [08:56] gtludwig, oh, so you are just having weird program behaviour, not filesystem-related. can you try xfce? [08:57] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:57] Pig_Pen: you not made a slackbuild? :) [08:57] you will have to tweak the Makefile.linux with something like -DBUILD_BROKEN_NEDIT but dont worry because nedit will build and run just fine [08:57] in the CFLAGS line [08:58] no sideeffects of killing lesstif? [08:58] Nick change: slacks -> |Slacker| [08:58] Zordrak, Pig_Pen never makes slackbuilds :) [08:58] the only package i had to rebuild was xpdf, [08:58] slava_dp, sure can, just a sec, please [08:59] gtludwig, can use xwmconfig to switch [08:59] can I?? [08:59] i mean, if you're in runlevel 3. [08:59] too lazy to make slackbuilds, by the time i wrote a slackbuild i could have the package built & installed [08:59] Pig_Pen, think of the community. [09:00] it would be a good education for them to learn to roll their own [09:00] slava_dp, silly me, for a sec i understood other thing... never mind [09:00] openmotif failed to build [09:00] shutting down X [09:00] Pig_Pen, you're just lazy, admit it. [09:00] yeah, im lazy [09:00] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:01] failed to build? [09:01] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:01] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [09:01] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [09:01] you must removepkg lesstif before building openmotif, not sure if that would have any effect on openmotif's build but you want lesstif out of the way [09:03] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:03] looks from the slackbuild openmotif is i486 so it may not build on a x86_64 system [09:04] nope, my bad, it should build on 64 bit [09:04] Pig_Pen: ive pulled a binary 32bit ver from 12.1 slacky.eu :) [09:04] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@212.251.110.71.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:04] all i want is a vaguely functional copy for an engineer :) [09:05] lazy contest: Zordrak wins [09:05] slava_dp, on XFCE now... though it is (way!) faster than KDE. Thunar (FileManager) still shows the same problem [09:06] gtludwig, are you sure you are using the proper keyboard map? [09:07] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] slava_dp, yes, I'm using a en_US keyboard [09:08] ç ain't on a us keyboard [09:08] nope [09:10] what if both LANG=en_US and LANG=en_US.UTF-8 are set? [09:10] on /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [09:11] the last one will get used [09:11] they are just environment variables [09:11] you have a problem with keyboard maps, not with locales. [09:11] slava_dp: bluetooth support in wicd? what you say? :P [09:11] hold on, switching back to kde [09:12] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:12] salt: that's what he said :) [09:12] Action: NaCl needs to tell irssi to hilight salt too [09:13] mmm salt [09:14] hitest_ (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] :) [09:14] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [09:15] i get this error when i want to make lazarus pkg , how i can repair it [09:15] i get this http://pastebin.com/m68d9cf11 error when i want to make lazarus pkg , how i can repair it [09:16] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [09:16] NaCl, bluetooth is a network too :) got to support it :) [09:16] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:17] slava_dp: If at all, wicd will support bt in the way that NM does [09:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:17] ...when we get around to implementing it. :P [09:18] hitest_ (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:18] NaCl, actually, I was kidding. please don't support bluetooth, it'll be a mess :-) [09:19] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:19] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:20] There will be a rewrite of wicd eventually. [09:20] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:20] That rewrite will be able to support more features less messily. [09:20] We'll see. [09:20] It's probably going to be low priority (mobile broadband is higher, IIRC) [09:21] NaCl: mobile broadband support would be cool for wicd [09:21] Yeah. I can't put an ETA on it, though. [09:22] chmod: cannot operate on dangling symlink [09:22] NaCl, mobile broadband is high priority. [09:22] slava_dp: ethernet and 802.11 are higher. :P [09:23] xover (~xover@host86-160-171-236.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:24] GooseYArd: do you know when a primary DNS server offloads its requests to a slave, i dont see a configuration for load balancing [09:24] slava_dp: to top it off, none of the wicd developers use mobile broadband. [09:25] the wicd developers should have several laptops with as many various wifi protocols as possible to work with for development [09:26] xover (~xover@host86-160-171-236.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:28] that would be very nice. [09:30] Pig_Pen: how kind of you to send NaCl a bunch of shiny new machines =) [09:30] if i win the lottery (millions of dollars) i would do all sorts of contributions to the linux community such as free hardware donations and cash injections [09:32] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:33] http://imagebin.org/84514 [09:34] i picked up a signal from Tokyo Japan earlier this morning [09:34] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.156.244.81) joined ##slackware. [09:35] well, I'd start with buying booze and heroin but I guess different people have different priorities -_- [09:35] lulz! you know how to party Camarade_Tux :D [09:35] i get this http://pastebin.com/m68d9cf11 error when i want to make lazarus pkg , how i can repair it [09:36] Pig_Pen: and no, I'm not going to share it with you! :P [09:36] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:37] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:37] Blue_Slacker86: line 815: chmod: cannot operate on dangling symlink (is a clue) read it then look in your source for a broken symlink or try to find out why it wants to build for MacOS ./lazarus.app/Contents/Resources/startlazarus.app/Contents/MacOS/startlazarus [09:38] macavity (~macavity@212088073004.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:39] and: http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/development/lazarus/README [09:40] have you installed fpc ? [Free pascal] [09:41] if the required dependencies are not installed it could make lazarus think it should build for some other OS (just a half-educated guess since i never built lazarus) [09:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:41] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [09:42] and more importantly "his won't build on non-i386 platforms" so it wont build on x86_64 most likely either [09:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-39-239.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [09:49] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.139.37) joined ##slackware. [09:51] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [09:51] hl ? 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[10:09] RLa (~rla@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:11] incognitus (~neam@212.233.209.134) joined ##slackware. [10:11] hi all [10:11] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:13] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:14] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:15] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:16] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-244.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] someone kernel guru here? [10:16] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:17] incognitus, just ask [10:18] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [10:18] i upgraded the kernel in current. my pc is old IDE mashine, and i think the new libata kernel is slower the the old one [10:18] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:20] so downgrade or build a custom kernel [10:20] you can also check with the guys at ##kernel [10:20] nothing says you must use libata on older hardware [10:20] Blue_Slacker86 (mfuyibx@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:21] well, if i downgrade, shoul i downgrade the kernel headers too. i am running slackware current, wuth glibc in current [10:21] except udev, who has dropped all IDE rules recently [10:21] I'd be more curious as to what makes you think it's slower [10:21] only in -current I believe. 13 still uses the hdX format [10:22] i am with current [10:23] well [10:23] hdparm parameters tell me that [10:24] do you feel it to be slower? [10:24] yes [10:24] the progress goes on. you can stay on slack 13 and kernel .29 or .30 forever if you wish. [10:25] incognitus, rebuild your kernel for your architecture, you'll like the difference. [10:25] well, what is ur observation about the new kernel [10:26] i love .32. use it on a Pentium 4 3.0 machine, works well. [10:26] slava_dp, i did it with every new kernel before, but now it is too long time :) [10:28] O_o [10:29] o_O [10:30] ovo [10:32] I get this http://pastebin.com/m4eec6c97 error when I want to install lazarus , how I can repair it [10:33] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:42] zux, if a newer vwdial release is available, use that and edit the slackbuild for it [10:42] aa ok [10:43] Blue_Slacker86: or try a different version. [10:43] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:44] slava_dp, no, looks like this is the latest version [10:44] zux, if you have a slack 13.0 box, you can build vwdial there and install the resulting package in -current. [10:44] that seems like a goog idea :) [10:44] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@212.251.110.71.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:44] wvwvwvwdial x_x [10:47] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:47] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:48] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.178.129.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:48] slava_dp, do you use ppp to connect to 3G? [10:49] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:49] slip is better then ppp [10:49] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [10:49] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] and better than wvdial? [10:50] slip is a protocol [10:50] not an app [10:51] oh [10:51] but wvdial uses ppp i gues [10:51] it should have the option to choose [10:52] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] and if my provider supports only ppp, then im stuck right? [10:53] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1855 [10:54] Dominian: nice. [10:54] Dominian: what's rm? [10:54] heh [10:54] yeah, but don't sweat it [10:55] i'm pretty sure by now most only support ppp, but slip has lower overhead and faster transfer speeds [10:55] raela|alt (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Camarade_Tux, HÁ, bazinga! 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[11:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:17] dissociative (~alejandro@190.71.49.250) joined ##slackware. [11:18] is there a log file in slackware of the upgraded packages? [11:18] I upgraded samba in 12.1 and It doesnt seems to work as it did before [11:19] and mount.cifs segfaults... [11:20] dissociative: look at /var/log/removed_packages all those in there are what were either upgraded or removed [11:21] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [11:22] pupiteee (~p@93.87.110.17) joined ##slackware. [11:23] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:24] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:24] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:208:21a:80ff:fee1:9f75) joined ##slackware. [11:26] does intel driver for 965+ have the 2048x2048 max size for hardware accell? 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[11:37] what is the reason of sudden creation of a rule in udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules for changing network interface name of network adapter ? [11:37] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-130-177.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:38] haven't looked yet but some systems (such as Debian) come with a udev script which gives names to interfaces based on the mac address. I'd venture a guess and say that it's to ensure a certain nic gets the same name all the time [11:39] to accomodate scripts which may be written to use a certain nic. [11:39] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:208:21a:80ff:fee1:9f75) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:39] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] pseudonymous: you mean like: "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules" [11:40] well, it happened to me on slackware many times...if I were noob I would hardly figure this out... [11:41] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [11:41] BP{k}, *whoops* was kinda an off-hand answer. Yea... :/ [11:41] hrad: good thing you aren't a noob then. right? ;-) [11:41] dang broken ident on undernet [11:41] iproute shows them, but infonfig doesn't so it might be problem to figure what is going on [11:42] i tried to compile the gnu coreutils, after the make i got an error wich i do not understand: http://nopaste.info/cb793ec91a.html [11:42] anyone had any issues with using alsa in virtualbox, etc? i'm trying to use skype in a slackware 13 install environment within a virtual box on slackware64 and it's giving me problems [11:42] theblackerbox (~sammo@92.27.215.59) joined ##slackware. [11:42] virtualbox gripes about audio permissions when run as a user and told to use alsa but alsa works fine on the machine [11:42] core-utils .. 5.0? seems kinda oldd [11:43] BP{k}, I'm more of a Java guy :-) but I remember that it happened to me like 2 years ago and spent almost entire day to figure it out....my guess is that it might be caused by using ifconfig & iproute togethr [11:43] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:43] Nick change: theblackerbox -> theblackbox [11:44] theblackbox (~sammo@92.27.215.59) left irc: Changing host [11:44] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [11:44] hrad: the file basically get created so your interfaces get consistent names every time. you can edit the f ile and set what mac-address will get what ifname :) [11:44] reeve, what flags did you specify for ARCH and such? [11:45] BP{k}, yes, but I'm talking about that it gets modified by who knows why [11:45] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [11:45] allend (~allend@CPE-121-219-107-33.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:45] Delahunt, i just did configure and make, without any flags. sorry, i'm quite new to all of this [11:45] Delahunt: I have that same problem with vbox [11:45] Delahunt: I am more curious why he chooses to build something that is about ... 7 years out of date. :) <-- reeve e [11:46] eviljames, thanx [11:46] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-29-164.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:46] reeve, maybe you should try the coreutils in slackware 13 (at least) [11:46] Delahunt: Do you have amaroK or other perhaps firefox (w/ some flash player) going on when you start? [11:46] reeve, why are you compiling coreutils? [11:46] eviljames, like absolutely nothing is running in the vbox except xfce and skype [11:46] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Delahunt: Because I'm *pretty* sure vbox tries to grab exclusive control of /dev/dsp but only for the first few seconds of VM start up. [11:46] put apache+php+mysql on slack in chroot, or no? this is question.. is better? [11:46] Delahunt: Skype will do it. [11:47] eviljames, hmm well maybe i should try running as root eh? [11:47] That is, block exclusive control over audio. [11:47] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:47] BP{k}, you are right, i download the new version [11:47] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:47] .... [11:47] I know I am right, I am asking you *why* [11:47] Delahunt: an alternative is to swing by http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ and install his multilib packages followed by building the 32bit libraries required to execute skype. It might be some work though [11:47] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [11:47] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:47] eviljames, so does yours just give you the error "can't grab audio"? on my host nothing was running either [11:48] pseudonymous, every time i try that i hose my box, no thanks [11:48] not saying they suck, just every time they don't work for me [11:48] Delahunt: seriously ? Wow [11:48] Delahunt: it gives the same warning "AudioDeviceNotResponding" or some such equivalent. But often (though not every time) it will work anyway [11:48] yeah it may be my bad luck [11:48] eviljames, ah i'll try it again, brb [11:48] toytoy (~toytoy@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Delahunt, just want to read the code and change it, to get familier with all the new stuff [11:49] toytoy (~toytoy@222.127.248.89) left irc: Changing host [11:49] toytoy (~toytoy@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [11:49] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:49] toytoy kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [11:49] Delahunt: try starting it before Skype, and if need be use lsof to track down what else might have a handle on /dev/dsp or whatever it actually goes looking for. [11:49] hahahahahahah [11:49] banned through ChanServ, that's pretty severe :P [11:49] that's like right before kline right? [11:49] Delahunt: tried another virtual OS to see if VBox is completely incapable of outputting sound ? [11:49] Delahunt: yeah, kline is a server ban. [11:50] pseudonymous, i'll try it, thanks [11:50] reeve: rrrright. wouldn't you be better off then using the latest of coreutils or perhaps test versions. [11:50] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E6DC1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] there are test versions of coreutils? [11:51] gogie (~standardk@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Delahunt: yes. [11:52] BP{k}, i downloaded it via a link, and didnt checked which is the newest version. it was a mistake, not intention [11:53] it is possible to recreate a package that is already installed? [11:53] dissociative: what package? [11:53] samba [11:54] in short "yes" [11:54] what are you missing from samba that you need to rebuild it? [11:54] removepkg prooobably has something about it in its man page [11:54] no, I need to downgrade the version because I seem to have problems [11:55] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:55] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] I cant access to my samba file server anymore [11:56] what I could do [11:56] swat fail [11:56] dissociative: what troubleshooting steps have you undertaken? [11:56] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E6DC1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-76-44.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] pupiteee (~p@93.87.110.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:57] since I upgraded to lastest samba in 12.1 I cant seem to access my files ffrom a windows box [11:57] how did you upgrade? [11:58] the smb server looks running I did upgrade with slackpkg [11:58] Guys I know this is the slackware support channel, but may I ask questions regarding C/C++ here? [11:59] sure, just don't expect anyone to answer [11:59] when I try to connect and authenticate to a share the samba logs drops the mensaje of read failure for 4 bytes [11:59] dissociative: and how did you deal with the configureation files? [11:59] I kept the old [11:59] ones [12:00] and testparm says that the config is ok [12:01] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:02] looks like I should set a ftp server instead [12:02] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] /c/c [12:05] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:06] freebse (~freebse@ip-109-41-5-212.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:08] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.78.84) joined ##slackware. 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[12:33] hey folks [12:33] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [12:34] dissociative, telnet always tells you what it is. [12:34] hrad (~a@94.241.74.144) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:34] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [12:34] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-76-44.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] anybody, help me with crond? I put one script in /etc/cron.hourly and crontab -e -> 1 * * * * /usr/bin/run-parts /etc/cron.hourly 1> /dev/null [12:35] but not run my script. [12:35] why? [12:35] crontab -e [12:35] how can I fix this issue: " [12:35] yes, crontab -e... [12:35] configuration error - unknown item 'DIALUPS_CHECK_ENAB' (notify administrator) [12:35] configuration error - unknown item 'NOLOGIN_STR' (notify administrator) [12:36] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [12:36] I got it upgrading for -current [12:36] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:37] I got it upgrading to* current -current [12:37] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:37] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:39] reeve (~reeve@p5B13AB4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [12:39] can someone help me ? [12:41] AbsTradELic: what have you done with the .new files? [12:41] huM [12:41] forgive [12:41] xD [12:42] just a moment [12:42] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [12:42] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:45] Camarade_Tux: May I have a word with you in private? [12:45] kimjeng (~me@196.201.218.215) joined ##slackware. [12:45] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-224-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [12:46] why me? do I know you? [12:46] gogie (~standardk@112.202.49.93) left irc: Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. [12:47] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:47] Camarade_Tux: he must think you are seckzi [12:47] \o/ [12:47] No, you don't know me, but you've helped me lots of times and I am kinda stuck in a situation and I really don't know what to do... :S [12:47] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:47] (don't tell him how wrong he is) [12:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.141.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Camarade_Tux: maybe it was that Friday night a few weeks back - you know the one you can't remember when you oke up wearing a hawian shirt and speedos in the middle of the fountain? [12:48] Axtroz: Why not post the question to the channel and see what comes of it/ [12:48] oh, btw, who was pinging me in here? [12:48] something about radeon drivers? [12:48] now, hows the channel gonna help with pregnancy [12:48] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.2.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:48] lol [12:48] because it's not related to slackware and i was cut off a bit earlier for trying to ask things like that... [12:49] Skywise: gutpunches. repeated gutpunches. [12:49] NyteOwl: ;-) [12:49] Axtroz: oh, maybe you can word the question generic enough that nobody notices it isn't for Slackware? [12:49] With my crappy English, this will be a challenge but I'll try... [12:50] eh [12:50] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:52] google languages must be slow today [12:52] I'm a newbie at C programming ( just started learning it in the University ) and I wrote a piece of code that I know is valid but after compiling with GCC ( no warnings,errors or whatever) the program just exits in the middle of the work. No crash, no segfault... It just exits as if I haven't wrote any code at all... GCC version 4.4.3 [12:53] can't you trace the execution? [12:53] um.. how? [12:53] gdb? strace? [12:53] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:53] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:54] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:54] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:54] you can't program without being able to debug [12:55] does samba has to have a firewall rule for allowing 127.0.01 connections? [12:55] as a matter of fact, debugging is the biggest half of programming [12:55] dissociative: are you forewalling on 127.0.0.1? [12:56] I'm not sure [12:57] the firewall script looks big [12:57] type iptables -vnL to see a table of your rules [12:57] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.175) joined ##slackware. [12:58] no [12:58] there's a rule that allows all protocols for localhost input/output [12:58] there's your answer :) [12:58] that rule got any packets on it? [12:59] in hosts.allow I only have nmbd and smbd set to listen on lan addresses [12:59] but I dont know If the localhost address is needed to be set explicitely [12:59] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [12:59] it would need to use localhost for swat and i think for status tracking [12:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:01] gtludwig (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Action: NyteOwl may end up replacing his new Slack 13 laptop install with Windows XP :( [13:01] is it possible to add different subnets in the same line? [13:01] NyteOwl: whyyyyyyy? [13:01] NaCl: I can't get the modem to work [13:01] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.78.84) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:01] modem? [13:02] NaCl: yes modem :p [13:02] dial-up? Inside the computer or external? [13:02] NaCl: yes dial-up. Internal. Xircom Lucent based [13:03] NyteOwl: check scanModem [13:03] gtludwig (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) left irc: Client Quit [13:03] It worked fine under Slack 10.2 which was on the lappy before. But with the drive crash I put 13 on and now can't seem to get the modem working :( [13:04] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.27) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [13:04] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:05] hi all. i want to enable and configure with an ipaddress my eth1. with slackware isn't doing it for me like eth0? [13:05] *why [13:05] OclkdMan: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [13:05] you have to configure it [13:05] yeah, there [13:05] Blue_Slacker86 (xgfpcpp@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [13:05] then run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start [13:06] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.28) joined ##slackware. [13:06] thx! [13:06] vhann_: Haven't gotten to that yet as I didn't need it for 10.2 [13:07] I need the dial-up modem working for the cottage (and travelling from palce to lace) [13:07] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:09] if i #ifconfig eth1 mtu 1500 >> OK but if i #ifconfig eth1 mtu 9694 >> SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument. why? [13:09] my eht1 supports jumbo frames [13:10] does the driver? [13:10] it's an intel Pci-ex ethernet card. 'e1000' is driver [13:10] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Quit: volto a noite - se eu pudesse eu matava mil [13:11] Skywise: re: debugging earlier. I always follow the adage: 'code drunk, debug sober' and wouldn't you know it, usually I exceed the ballmer curve :P [13:11] OclkdMan: try 7000 instead [13:11] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-82-180.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:12] same output "SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument". also with "2000" [13:12] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:13] dmesg say anything ? [13:13] i remember the driver was compiled builtin. how can i see what driver the kernel use (i can't use lsmod) [13:13] OclkdMan: have you checked dmesg to make sure that Pci-ex is eth1 ? [13:14] lspci -v [13:14] yes. i can reach clients in eht1 network. [13:14] ok the driver is Kernel driver in use: e1000e [13:15] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-191-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:15] it's look like the drive does not support it anymore [13:15] thx u all. [13:15] byez [13:16] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.175) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:16] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-191-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] what about resolv.conf, i have had rc.inet1.conf fix up but forgot to add nameservers to resolv.conf and could not get online until i added nameservers [13:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:17] dissociative (~alejandro@190.71.49.250) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:17] pupiteee (~p@93.87.110.17) joined ##slackware. [13:20] i was trying to dial a phone modem thru bluetooth and it seemed to connect but browsers cant connect to the net what would be the issue? [13:20] Pig_Pen, isn't the syntax nameserver ? [13:20] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:20] kimjeng, show us your ifconfig -a [13:20] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-191-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:21] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-191-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] don't paste it here tho =P [13:21] oh and slack and the phone could not pair :( , sorry zux i m on xp the bt connection is my lifeline and slack cant connect [13:21] ya [13:22] what would cause slack to reject pairing? [13:22] well it's hard to find the problem if youre not on the box [13:23] you say it "seems to connect", what does that mean? [13:23] my cellphone's bluetooth wont do anything other than use one of those borg style cordless ear thingys [13:24] i've never used bluetooth [13:24] Pig_Pen: mine either. telco has the thing so locked down I can't even access it's file system via USB [13:24] and I can't find ANY programming info on line [13:24] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:24] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:24] NyteOwl, what's your phone? [13:25] Sanyo Pro 700 [13:25] dtzWill (~will@unaffiliated/dtzwill) joined ##slackware. [13:25] they dont want you to unlock it and switch carriers or something, all the telcos like to treat their customers like cattle [13:25] Pig_Pen: can't switch carriers - they're the only CDMA network here :/ [13:25] well i'v only used nokias [13:25] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [13:26] the phoen won't work on anyone else's network they're all GSM [13:26] but they dont know the specifics, they just want locked down cellphones that cant be cracked & hacked [13:26] all of them can be cracked..... [13:26] just need the right tools [13:27] I can't even download new wallpapers or ringtones except from their site (where I have to pay). [13:27] they are not makeing it easy [13:27] down here, i can get a cell phone, for just taking their card [13:27] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Quit: :~ [13:27] and i have to use it for like 2 years [13:27] "pay" is the keyword here [13:27] That annoys me but isn't a big deal since I don't care much about such [13:27] and i have taken a phone after those 2 years to the operator [13:27] and they unlocked it [13:28] Pig_Pen: what can one expect from Bell [13:28] also, had to argue with them for a while [13:28] Bell is the operator? [13:28] yes [13:29] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.96.132) joined ##slackware. [13:29] are there no other operators? [13:30] There are. this was a decent deal (except for their draconian technology approach [13:30] i live in a small country and we have 3 operators, and they tend to fight for each client roght now [13:30] so, that's mostly good for me [13:30] dracula technology approach, like a vampire [13:31] I get a broadband unlimited traffic account for 20 ls, that is somewhere around 30-35$ [13:31] and in most territory there is 3G [13:31] every time i hear or read the word draconian i think of dracula [13:32] that would be nice [13:32] everytime i read about 7200 rpm, i laugh. cause my main desktop now has ssd! [13:32] unlimited data? on a cell phone? I'm not as wealthy as Midas :) [13:33] NyteOwl, jup, at least they say it's unlimited [13:33] and I have never reached any limit [13:33] download a 4 gig DVD iso with it and put em to the test [13:33] I have 1GB on my plan but my phone is near wifi so often that I've hardly used any of it [13:34] Pig_Pen, my i have downloaded ~6G and it's all good [13:34] they say, that around 10GB they start to put limits to speed, but i have not reached that [13:35] .lv is...? [13:35] europe [13:35] now just think if you could use that cellphone like a mass storage device, plug it in to USB, mount it and cp files to & from it [13:36] if you mean the domain, Latvia [13:36] Pig_Pen, i use it directly on the laptop [13:36] huawei e230 [13:36] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-rlsdmiwpygdidlei) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [13:36] works well under slackware [13:36] yes, that is Latvi [13:36] a [13:36] Pig_Pen: I've never had the need for that so I'm not really missing the lack of it on my current phone :P [13:37] Pig_Pen, i have used a phone like that [13:37] only it had to have a microsd card [13:37] as big as you can get [13:37] couple of gigs [13:37] and plugged in a computer it showed the card as a storage device... [13:38] or maybe it was a mmc card [13:38] Action: zux off [13:42] Trying to use a Generic kernel on this machine, being weird on me [13:42] This machine has an adaptec 7899 so I'm playing around with aic7xxx, since that kind of messed up I'll attempt using aic7xxx_old... [13:43] anyone know if apt-cache is usable on slackware? I guess it itsn't but I prefer to ask [13:43] apparently that doesnt work either. [13:43] isn't that part of apt-get? [13:43] or the apt suite [13:44] seems so [13:46] I only wanted to make a package cache for debian installs inside virtual machines on my computer [13:46] MReimer_ (~chatzilla@p4FD4A92D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Camarade_Tux: i don't see why not, providing all deps are present [13:48] might be worth a try [13:49] I've started a debian mirror with debmirror but I've already downloaded 12GB and I'm only at "e" >< [13:50] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy expired. [13:50] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:50] I've having a weird issue with SSHD on one of my systems. If I leave the shell open and idle, it will lock up. I have to kill the SSH client locally and kill the login remotely. Has anyone seen this happen before? [13:50] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [13:50] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [13:50] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Normally I can leave an SSH connection open for however long I am reading something without worrying about it freezing. [13:51] otoh, it means I'd have to deal with apt and I'm not sure I want to [13:52] zaltekk: for me it means my isp changed my IP in the middle of the session [13:52] alisonken1home: i have a static ip [13:52] zaltekk: use screen [13:53] Camarade_Tux: well, the problem is that the local client freezes and so does the remote. I have to manually kill them both. [13:53] And it is a real pain because it _always_ happen when I connect to that server. [13:53] you can "attach" and "detach" sessions with it, it'll keep everything alive [13:53] Camarade_Tux: right, but that doesn't fix the problem of having to kill the old processes each time/ [13:54] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.60) joined ##slackware. [13:54] why kill anything? just rattach [13:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-76-44.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [13:54] Camarade_Tux: because the local SSH client will not exit. [13:54] Camarade_Tux: And SSHD still things I am connected, so it keeps an extra process open for that connection. [13:55] k3b under 64-current seems to have an issue with creating an enhanced audio multisession cd [13:55] zaltekk: well, have you tried screen? [13:56] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:56] Camarade_Tux: yes. i know all about screen, dtach, and tmux. [13:57] zaltekk: ok, had to check [13:57] zaltekk: maybe you have an inactivity timeout [13:57] ovnicraft (1000@190.154.246.169) joined ##slackware. [13:57] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Camarade_Tux: it isn't set to disconnect for inactivity. and anyway, a timeout should freeze the local ssh client. [13:58] Camarade_Tux: and it shouldn't keep the daemon process acting like it has a client. [13:59] i cannot type at the prompt, I can't use ^C or anything of the like. [14:00] i have to do ps aux and then kill the process ssh
[14:00] then ssh back to the remote machine, run ps aux, and kill the process sshd: @ttyp<#> [14:04] pupiteee (~p@93.87.110.17) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:04] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [14:06] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:07] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:08] xorsurgeon (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: brb [14:09] asarch (~asarch@189.188.150.188) joined ##slackware. [14:14] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:14] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:17] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:19] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:20] happyslacker (~happyslac@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Hello!!! Anyone have squid + ntlm authentication ? [14:24] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.173) joined ##slackware. [14:24] MReimer_ (~chatzilla@p4FD4A92D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.1/20091218133539] [14:24] GREAT [14:24] now something is segfaulting XD. [14:25] in the initrd [14:25] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Fantastic. [14:25] I don't know, I have an hour to get this generic kernel to work or I'm just using hugesmp and ignoring the kernel update in slackpkg [14:26] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:26] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:26] Do you have to run lilo every time you remake an initrd? I can't believe you would have to. [14:27] Could be wrong [14:27] I would like to show to my friend how to install Slackware [14:27] Is there any way to record a video of what I'm doing in the desktop with a virtual machine? [14:28] i dont use an initrd, but if i did and had to remake an initrd i would run lilo again, rather be safe than sorry [14:28] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [14:29] ovnicraft (1000@190.154.246.169) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:29] ovnicraft (1000@190.154.246.169) joined ##slackware. [14:30] yeah I just did, i'm rebooting now. It should fix the segfault. But I'm sort of blind because the mkinitrd script in /usr/share/mkinitrd doesn't give me proper results, and ust loading the aic7xxx driver for the Adaptec SCSI disks starts to work, but It bails, says /dev/sda3 doesn't exist, and if I try to mount it which it does exist in /dev mount reports invalid argument. [14:31] Runs perfectly fine on hugesmp.s though. [14:31] obviously [14:32] maybe rebuild your kernel and embed aic7xxx in the kernel image instead of building it as a module [14:32] it seems to be finding sda sdb sdc sdd sde and sdf as well (sdg is removed)... Unsure what I'm missing. [14:33] I could but I don't have a whole lot of time, I wont be around these machines for a good few weeks and I'd rather make an attempt for the initrd at this time. [14:34] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [14:34] happyslacker (~happyslac@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:35] razel (1000@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:35] I remember with kernel 2.4 in slackware, I used to have to load adaptec.s [14:35] instead of bare.i [14:35] pin tests my tcp connction [14:35] how do i test for udp [14:36] for packetloss and latency..apart from playing a video game [14:36] pin? [14:36] ping [14:36] ping isnt tcp. [14:36] it isnt ? [14:37] err [14:37] ICMP [14:37] no. it isnt [14:38] well [14:38] why would you want to? [14:38] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Quit: Error: Out of bits [14:40] the fact that TCP is reliable and UDP is unreliable has nothing to do with packetloss, because you will get more packetloss with UDP but unless you have poorly terminated link cables ... I guess I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at, [14:40] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.96.132) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I'm not sure how without programing it on your own but there might be some good tcp ones out there. UDP is unreliable so you should expect some packetloss [14:41] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [14:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] when i ping something it shows no packetloss but then when i go play a video game i get packetloss [14:41] traceroute -U uses udp [14:42] cool [14:43] razel, did you try changing the packet size? [14:44] im running out of laptop batteries :( [14:45] yeah [14:45] but not to much to google [14:45] lol [14:45] just to my wireless router [14:46] when wireless conections say 60%...what does that mean ? 60% packets go through or ? [14:46] how do they get this percentage [14:48] probably signal strength [14:48] yes [14:48] how do they calculate signal strength [14:49] no idea, its not a slackware question :) [14:49] lol [14:49] wireless is signal strength based on dBm [14:49] percentage is signal strength based on how strong (in dBm) the signal is compared to how strong the maximum allowable signal strength is [14:50] when a signal strength is weaker..does that mean more packet loss ? [14:50] not necessarily, but it is more likely [14:50] not necessarily - depends on how much interference from electromagnetic interference and other stations in the area [14:50] have you ever seen an S meter on a radio? 60% is fairly decent [14:51] very [14:51] a radio is not an emitter ;-) [14:51] hah [14:52] but it's like brakes on a car - they measure braking strength in btu's - go figure [14:52] radio signal strength is measured in dBm [14:52] I discovered that unit on yesterday >< [14:52] which I'm used to in audio, not electronic, measurements [14:52] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [14:53] lulz! a radio can do both TX & RX [14:53] however, I have seen the rationale for using btu in brake measurements, so it's not too far fetched [14:53] depends on the radio though [14:53] thats a tranceiver :D [14:53] and how many antenna's or how much reflected energy the output electronics can take [14:54] your cellphone is a full duplex radio, your television is a radio, wifi is a radio, you are surrounded by more radios than you realise, [14:54] ovnicraft (1000@190.154.246.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:54] how many antennas :D ... a buttload please [14:54] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.237) joined ##slackware. [14:54] you are a radio [14:54] microwave oven is a radio [14:54] GeneralTso (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] yup, even your microwave [14:55] your key fob is a radio [14:55] true i get very bad wifi near cause the PC equipped with wifi is 4 metres removed from the microwave [14:55] older (rf, not ir) remotes are radios [14:55] doh [14:55] electric motors (like in a refrigerator) are also stupid radios [14:56] they only know how to squeal [14:56] yeah every house hold appliance fuck with wifi [14:56] or my hw just sucks [14:56] plastic cases dont shield. [14:57] can you hook up another antenna? get rid of the rubber ducky and get something a step up or two better [14:57] reminds me of van eckman phreaking [14:57] von* [14:57] i have my tv using wireless and since i switched to wifi for internet the signals get confused and i get snow in tv. any idea how to solve this? [14:57] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.26.156) joined ##slackware. [14:57] watch tv via network [14:57] yeah connect a cable [14:57] web tv [14:58] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [14:58] the microwave is in the kitchen [14:58] wrap it in aluminimum [14:58] maybe a highpass filter for the television = if it will filter out the higher (out of band freqs too [14:58] i get like 500 K down on my wifi from a network share [14:58] Nick change: KB1JWQ -> PancakeStaffer [14:58] sahk0: are the channel spectrums in use separated enough ? [14:59] well actually i get tv signal from the tv in the living room [15:00] do a site survey, try to keep the tv on a channel at least 3 from another in use if possible [15:00] also, turn off a/b/g support if you only use G [15:01] there are also isolation options in open firmware can provide [15:01] k3b-1.70.0beta1 not building because of missing polkit-qt [15:02] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:02] dive (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:02] goarilla (~goarilla@97.85-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Changing host [15:02] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:02] razel (1000@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:03] i have a microwave in the next room, but we're on wired. there is wifi, but i only use it when i'm on a laptop or something. thus far, being on a laptop while also microwaving something hasn't happened.. [15:03] they really should shield those things better though.. [15:04] slackaholic (1000@187-24-216-99.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Intel_BG (intel@95.43.26.156) left ##slackware. [15:04] during online gaming, i used to get cut off half way through every time i used the microwave, which was a lot makign coffee =) [15:05] yeh, it's scary to think how much radiation spews out of microwave ovens, especially the cheap ones [15:05] the government should be more strict on regulations... [15:05] especially now that wireless communication is becoming more important. [15:06] phrag: and cheap PSUs too ;-) [15:06] Dave2 (Dave2@freenode/staff/dave2) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:07] nvision (~nvision@g225049110.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:07] you know, i usually think that the government regulating everything is bad, but if they didnt, people would end up buying products even if their skin gets melted off. just to save a few bucks. hehe [15:10] phrag: seriously though, gaming on wifi? come on :P [15:10] without some sort of control there would be anarchy? [15:10] Azalyn: i was in a house without internet... i aquired internet =P [15:11] http://xkcd.com/654/ [15:11] :P [15:11] i agree with the mouseover text. [15:11] hey chess [15:11] kimjeng (~me@196.201.218.215) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:12] nvision_ (~nvision@g225049110.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:13] nvision (~nvision@g225049110.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:16] slackaholic: hello there [15:17] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:18] ahh [15:18] chess i'm in #sbopkg [15:18] bruno (1000@92.250.32.247) joined ##slackware. [15:19] slackaholic: k, hold on one sec [15:19] Nick change: bruno -> Guest31188 [15:19] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:19] look at all the crap from China lately that has been found harmful, lead paint on children's toys, cheap jewelry made from cadmium, poisonous pet food, heck they even sold their own people infant fourmula that was poisonous [15:20] LnxSlck (1000@92.250.32.247) joined ##slackware. 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[15:39] china isnt ready to be an industrialised nation; they lack all the required "infra"; they were decieved into joining the world markets only for the money (nee debt) [15:39] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:40] Pig_Pen during the 1950s, Russian scientists determined that microwave energy changes food chemistry to carcinogens. [15:41] Chairman Mao did it in the late 1940's early 1950's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_Mao [15:42] of course he did [15:42] GeneralTso: you have anything to back up that claim? [15:42] Google's vast memory. [15:42] about microwaves [15:42] yea [15:43] do you recall one of the anecdotals about the scientist with the candy bar in his coat pocket? [15:43] asarch (~asarch@189.188.150.188) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [15:43] isnt that how they found that microwaves can heat things up? [15:44] correct [15:44] the bar melted when he walked by an active signal [15:44] 1940s [15:45] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:46] yesterday, CSPAN was doing interview vignettes of their office staff about the storm and they spoke to one of engineers who told about having to go outside to clean of the microwave dish bc snow absorbed the energy and degraded the sig [15:47] damn [15:47] is there a hotkey on mac os x that inserts a page up page down sequence [15:47] its water, thats what it does [15:47] yep [15:48] you gotta clean off home dishes too [15:48] sure; the point is accidental wisdom to the public. [15:49] Intel_BG (intel@95.43.26.156) left ##slackware. [15:50] goarilla cant you amend a loadkeys file? [15:50] not on the X server [15:50] X has its own file for that i think [15:51] ssh into slack box [15:51] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [15:51] screen only [15:51] yeah [15:51] Xmodmap [15:51] yea [15:51] but im not in X or forwarded X [15:52] ok simpler question [15:52] then why mention X? [15:52] ok [15:52] is there a way to scroll in irssi pgup pgdown via commands [15:52] an automatic scrolling? [15:52] no idea [15:52] i mentionned the system i was using to login to my slack box [15:53] i need to scroll to the top like pg up does in irssi [15:53] tsolox (~guest@120.28.192.51) joined ##slackware. [15:53] i use bx [15:53] bx [15:53] tsolox (guest@120.28.192.51) left ##slackware. [15:53] bitchx [15:53] slackaholic (1000@187-24-216-99.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] aaah [15:53] k [15:53] goarilla: /help scrollback [15:56] thank you nooper thats exactually what i needed [15:56] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.212.114) joined ##slackware. [15:57] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:58] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.212.114) left irc: Client Quit [15:58] np. you can also type /sb instead of /scrollback [15:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:59] mikl0 (~User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:02] mikl0 (~User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:04] macavity (~macavity@212088073004.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:08] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [16:10] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:11] GeneralTso (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [16:15] Nick change: raela|alt -> raendeer [16:17] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [16:19] asamoah (~caio@200.2.127.149) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:21] great - just as my bank has been touting their new chip/pin system as "more" secure - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/susanwatts/2010/02/new_flaws_in_chip_and_pin_syst.html [16:23] hrad (~a@94.241.74.144) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Read error: No route to host [16:23] haha [16:24] lol [16:24] yeah, the bbc - THE place for in-depth and technologically accurate computer news [16:24] having money in banks these days is not secure in the first place but then one can argue having any type of fiat based currency has no long term financial security [16:24] you prefer this one http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/man-in-the-midd_1.html [16:24] smartcards can be scary weak security wise. [16:25] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.28.78) joined ##slackware. [16:25] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-82-180.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [16:26] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:27] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:27] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.28.78) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] NyteOwl: at least Burce has earned his spurs :) [16:29] adaptr: yes, but as the researchers were in the UK I don't see why having it reported in the BBC should diminish it's reliability. Ther certainly aren't any worse than the CBC , CNN or Fox :) [16:29] NyteOwl: it wasn't aimed specifically at the BBC. it's true of any mass medium [16:30] yes true enough. [16:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.54.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:31] and I must admit didn't click it, but I will read the schneier link ;) [16:31] i think this bbc story is a bit more shocking http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8508077.stm [16:32] more typical, at least [16:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.98.4) joined ##slackware. [16:34] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:35] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [16:36] what a messed up system, would you marry some woman you only met a couple of times and both times she was wearing a hijab completely hiding her face? [16:38] no, but then again I wasn't raised in a culture where that is the norm [16:38] NyteOwl: How can you compare CBC, CNN, BBC and Fox?! :P [16:38] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:38] Action: eviljames starts singing "one of these things is not like the other..." [16:39] that's singing? sounds like nails on a chalkboard. [16:41] akSeya (~bd0b3ec2@gateway/web/freenode/x-zuobndfdrskockpg) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:42] eviljames: i'd say their all crap [16:43] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [16:44] exit [16:44] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:46] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:50] xsamurai: Well, I'd say they're all crap... tomato tomahto I guess :P [16:50] ahhh typo typo [16:50] I've been using iftop from time to time and its rate calculation seems completely wrong: it tells me I'm downloading at 350KB/s but the amount of data received increases by about 2MB per second (my line's max) [16:50] also, I have two programs running and they state their rate too: 400KB/s and 1.5MB/s [16:50] anyone else complaining about iftop? [16:51] im dealing with ghosts file changes right now, brain no worky [16:51] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.237) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:52] hrad (~a@94.241.74.144) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:54] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [17:00] sh0ne (~sh0ne@77.46.193.33) joined ##slackware. [17:01] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:01] middleman (~middleman@66.49.179.95) joined ##slackware. [17:02] svinoba (~svinoba@122.166.165.241) joined ##slackware. [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-208.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] Hi, can anyone point me to a tutorial on how to create a bootable USB stick that carries the full Slackware install? I'm aware there's one (at alien.slackbook.org) that explains how the latter is done from Linux, but I need to do it from Windows XP or Vista. [17:08] middleman, search for unebootin [17:09] anyone here using xfce and have gotten the "open containing folder" button to work with firefox 3.x? [17:09] excellent, that's what I was looking for, thank you raph0x88 [17:10] middleman, you're welcome [17:10] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:10] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] v3gard: I tried that, for a bit, heh. [17:13] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [17:13] middleman (~middleman@66.49.179.95) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:14] middleman (~middleman@66.49.179.95) joined ##slackware. [17:14] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] pseudonymous (~root@79.142.229.158.static.knet.bolignet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:15] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:15] pseudonymous kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [17:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:16] pseudonymous (~icarus@79.142.229.158.static.knet.bolignet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:16] hrad (~a@94.241.74.144) joined ##slackware. [17:16] meh, I don't always check which terminal I'm at :/ Anyway.. anyone ever tried having a VPN connection over PPPD that's insanely slow ? It seems locked around 18kbps [17:20] Action: NyteOwl back from supper [17:20] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:22] v3gard: I have never gotten "open containing folder" to work with Firefox. ever. [17:24] File doesn't exist, or I can't access it: file:///home/anyuser/Downloads/ [17:25] let me look at userPrefs.js to see if i can tweak that [17:27] this howto "http://rubylution.ping.de/articles/2007/09/11/open-containing-folder-in-firefox-under-linux" worked for firefox 2.x, but unfortunately not 3.x [17:27] pseudonymous, if your vpn can, you could even use compression [17:27] that could make the connection even faster [17:27] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [17:30] zux: the biggest problem right now is that the VPN connection I'm using should normally handle from 20-30 mbps whereas this one machine can only do 18kbps while on it, it's really wierd [17:30] v3gard: good find, going to test it soon! [17:31] nope, did not fix it for me [17:32] Pig_Pen: no, it doesn't work for firefox 3.x [17:33] pseudonymous, well on those speeds the cpu power probably doesn't matter any more [17:34] File doesn't exist, or I can't access it: file:///home/anyuser/Downloads/ [17:34] darn all the bad luck! [17:35] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] yht (~Yudha_HT@114.121.206.90) joined ##slackware. [17:37] soo, i guess mozilla's developers know they broke this [17:37] middleman (~middleman@66.49.179.95) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:37] middleman (~middleman@66.49.179.95) joined ##slackware. [17:37] managed to figure it out Pig_Pen. just removed my ~/.mozilla folder, and then I got a dialog window when I pressed the "open containing folder" button. entered /usr/bin/thunar and it magically worked :) [17:38] I have no idea why what didn't work earlier [17:38] whenever I pressed the button, nothing happened [17:38] svinoba (~svinoba@122.166.165.241) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:39] i am not removing ~/.mozilla for that, but if i do remove ~/.mozilla it will be because i abandoned that product [17:39] svinoba (~svinoba@122.166.165.241) joined ##slackware. [17:39] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:41] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:43] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [17:45] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[18:13] middleman (~middleman@66.49.179.95) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Nick change: mrpwnage -> mrselfpwn [18:18] What do I need to export as path if i'm getting configure: error: Unable to find X11 libraries [18:18] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.28) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:19] export PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH [18:19] did not work :/ [18:19] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: . [18:19] PATH is for programs, not libraries [18:20] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Quit: life is but a dream [18:20] look in /etc/ld.so.conf [18:20] mrselfpwn: try to see if that configure script accepts an option to specify that path, and try /usr/lib [18:20] maybe the configure script is trying to find them in /usr/X11R6/lib or something like that [18:20] ... or this could be related to running Slackware64 [18:21] thank you both. i'll look into those. [18:21] it's 32 bit as well as the slackbuild [18:21] I may need to tune my slackbuild. [18:21] is this build relying on pkg-config? [18:22] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:24] pseudony1ous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:25] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [18:25] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-224-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:27] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] kevin01123 (~chatzilla@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Do you need the kde-guidance-powermanager package in Slackware? Isn't it redundant considering the already available KDE power manager included? [18:29] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:30] code: if test "x${x_includes-}" = x; then { { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: Unable to find X11 libraries" > [18:30] and x_includes=NONE is set above in the script [18:30] that is the configure file [18:31] as well as x_libraries=NONE so i guess that woulbe what I want to change [18:31] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:32] or pass to my slackbuid [18:36] and it works :D [18:36] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] any idea how to pass that in the Slackbuild so that the configure file will read it? [18:42] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] ./configure --help [18:43] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [18:44] mrselfpwn: what did you change to cause it to build? [18:46] pseudony1ous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [18:46] where it said x_includes=NONE i changed it to say x_includes=/usr/lib [18:46] in the configure file [18:47] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:49] nvision_ (~nvision@g225049110.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:51] which seems a little dumb for them to have that set to none and not specify to change it on the build instructions [18:51] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:51] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:51] it's fore this program http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger.html [18:52] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:53] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [18:56] yht (~Yudha_HT@114.121.206.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:56] sopas (~souphead@120.28.191.63) joined ##slackware. [18:57] ah [18:57] pseudony1ous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:57] mrselfpwn: normally for include paths like that, there's either a flag to ./configure, or there's an env variable you can se [18:57] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [18:57] hang on ill look at it [18:58] yum --x-includes=DIR X include files are in DIR [19:03] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [19:03] yeah, i found that [19:03] thanks [19:06] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:09] works like a charm [19:10] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:11] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31383.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[19:46] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:46] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:50] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:51] kevin01123 (~chatzilla@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:51] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-105.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Part of why I like slackware is that the IRC is friendly (at least as IRC goes). #debian is a load of cunts at times :/ [19:53] i know it's nice solely cause of me [19:54] I don't even think I know you yet :P [19:54] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] jeev is a legend in his own mind [19:55] kevin01123 (~chatzilla@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] kevin01123 (~chatzilla@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:56] Pig_Pen, aren't we all ? [19:56] not me, i am a nobody [19:57] I'm a level 20 wizard [19:57] fd0 (~laulhep@190.220.20.154) joined ##slackware. [19:58] i like playing solitare [19:58] and listening to HF/shortwave radio, especially pirate stations [19:58] pseudony1ous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [19:59] Pig_Pen, what's pirate stations, exactly. Stations broadcasting without proper music licenses ? [19:59] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-105.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:59] no licences whatsoever of any kind, clandestine style [20:02] Pig_Pen, the US ? Do you know what happens to pirate stations (legally) if they're discovered ? [20:04] their good at evading capture, probably have a station in a vehicle and they go part on a mountain top somewhere, setup & broadcast for 30 minutes to an hour and pack up & leave [20:09] fd0 (~laulhep@190.220.20.154) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:09] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:12] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:12] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [20:12] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [20:13] pseudony1ous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Pig_Pen, homer had a pirate station and the FCC went after him.. or was that family guy [20:13] Pig_Pen, what do they talk bout [20:14] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:14] jeev, they're organizing the resistance in advance of the combine assault [20:15] grazymax (~grazymax@host9-207-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:16] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-6.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] Action: pseudonymous refuses to believe there's a girl using slackware [20:18] tell my wife that...oh wait, she's a woman, not a girl [20:18] Ok, rephrase, I refuse to believe there's a girl/woman using slackware who set it up herself :P [20:18] ignoirance is bliss [20:19] pseudonymous: I am a female using slackware [20:19] I've set it up on all 3 of my computers, several times [20:19] been a slackware user for about 6 years now [20:19] next up is santa, then christ. Moving up the ladder [20:19] my wife and I have been using it since 3.0 [20:20] built a new workstation for the lab I'm in.. put it together today :P put centos on it, and man.. I so prefer slackware, and I've only been using it for about an hour, haha [20:20] LnxSlck (1000@92.250.32.247) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:21] raendeer: tell me about it, dealing with a particularly troublesome debian machine atm :/ [20:21] it didn't ask me what packages/groups of packages I wanted to install, and then decided to not install any development packages [20:22] who needs gcc? I mean really [20:23] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:24] I'd love to see a survey about slackware users sometime... Specifically I'd love to know the average age [20:25] I tried to do a survey before with 5 questions.. I know there was age, gender, major in school (if applicable) and how many hours were people on the comp per week or so [20:25] and one more [20:25] I think I only got 20 responses in the week I was asking :P [20:25] and one I swear was a lie [20:26] or ##slackware has a resident 80 year old fisherman [20:26] hahah :P [20:26] Well, if it'd be anywhere, it'd be slackware [20:27] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [20:28] anyway.. what year do YOU live in? girls can't use slackware, what? :P [20:29] I'm probably the youngest here.. Everyone else I discuss with knows punch-card programming and such :P [20:30] how old? [20:30] raendeer: it's basically bad gamer humor. When you play a game and see a female character you always call the "she" a "he" - because it usually is. So when I see someone with a name indicating their gender, I cry wolf (21 yrs) [20:32] nah, it's internet in general. 21 isn't youngest, so don't worry about that [20:32] though average is probably 30's [20:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:33] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [20:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] moores law is the only "XYZ's law" that I truly believe in ... :/ Why must everything prove difficult at *every* turn. I actually have an interface capable of "remembering" a name that udev assigned it several reboots ago - even when the udev rule is removed it remembers the bloody name. But it won't let me rename it, god no.. [20:42] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:42] bah, I wish I could just go home and ssh into this box to get things done :P that would be too easy [20:44] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [20:44] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:50] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:51] was that the fisher ? [20:55] moore's law... what about murphy's law? [20:55] (hello people, anything interesting going on?) [20:55] pseudonymous: no. I don't remember who it was, but I did the survey over a year ago [20:55] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [20:56] Urch. damn.. sorry Might have confused the two.. all the M's yea... Moore's law no longer fits with reality [20:56] the 80 year old fisherman might have been Old_Fogie (pulling your leg a bit maybe) [20:58] I believe it may have been.. sadly, I also believe it only existed as a paper copy, so I most likely cannot look it up [20:58] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:58] I do remember my professor (was for a class) commenting that she did not believe that data point [20:58] it was a year ago in this channel? there are public logs [20:59] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:59] yep. go ahead and look it up if you'd like, though I'm not quite up for that [20:59] I would also have my own personal logs of it.. but.. again, would take a little bit of digging [21:01] eh, not really that interested. Also, lazy. [21:02] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:02] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:03] yeah. I have other things to do right now :/ [21:04] Anyone who might know how come an interface keeps getting a name that I wrote a udev rule to give it, but it's retained past reboots and shutdowns long after the udev rule itself has been deleted ? [21:04] apparently I'm snowed in... it snows like once every 3 years here, so there's no infrastructure for dealing with it (snowplows, tons of rock salt, etc) [21:04] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Urchlay: at least you have an internet connection ;) What else do you really need ? [21:04] pseudonymous: do you have /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? [21:05] Urchlay: I have, and it's blanked out now, no rules in it. [21:05] Urchlay: md area? [21:05] nothing right this minute. In about 8 hours, if I'm still awake, I will need more cigarettes... [21:05] nah. Atlanta. It really doesn't snow much in GA... [21:05] didn't realize the snow hit you guys, too [21:06] most likely it'll be melted by tomorrow afternoon [21:07] pseudonymous: hm. Well, you could grep -r eth0 /etc, maybe? (or whatever interface name you're looking at) [21:07] also check /var [21:08] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] Urchlay: also done, and that's where it gets funny, there's no references.. I have even shut down the damn pc and pulled out the battery for a while. (Me being desperate). What should remember interface names in var ? A grep in var will yield thousands of responses, because of the log files [21:10] yeah... I dunno anything in /var that would be relevant, but then I don't know what's causing your problem anyway (you already did what I'd have done, to start out with) [21:10] what about /lib/udev ? [21:10] a bunch of default rule sets in /lib/udev [21:10] rewrote the rule to be more aggressive and that seems to mask whatever wierdness is causing it. [21:10] Do you guys know of Are there any CLI calculator program [21:10] vhann_: bc is a cli calculator [21:10] vhann_: "echo $((2+2))" will print "4" [21:11] no floating point in the shell though [21:11] *Do you guys know of any CLI calculator program better than bc (one that can handle "4!" for example) [21:11] I am getting bored of having to type 9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2 [21:11] and such [21:12] write a perl (or whatever) script to do it for you, stick in ~/bin, stick ~/bin in your $PATH if it's not already [21:12] googled for any programs capable of handling factorials (n!) ? [21:13] don't even have to write the code yourself, you can probably find tons of factorial implementations in any language you like, it's a standard algorithm [21:13] pseudonymous: some programming languages can (with added tools perhaps) [21:13] Urchlay: Sure, I'll probably get bc sources and modify it or write a C program if there are none [21:13] Pike and Python are definitely among them [21:14] I just wanted it now (having to code a tool to help you code is somewhat funny) [21:14] Skaperen: probably all languages, all you need to do is to define a recursive function [21:15] do you just want the factorials themselves? or using them inside the equations? [21:15] eh, coding tools to help you code, is the kind of thing you end up doing a *lot* in real world coding jobs [21:15] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.67) joined ##slackware. [21:16] and if you already know C, you could probably have written your factorial program in less time than it took to come in here and ask about it :) [21:16] Action: Skaperen just write a 1 line command to run a small piece of code in Pike to generate a sequence of factorials [21:16] Lol, I should have just searched it [21:16] freshmeat.net [21:16] it turns out bc is actually a language [21:17] yah [21:17] So you can simply implement a recursive function to do it... [21:17] yermandu (~Y@unaffiliated/yermandu) joined ##slackware. [21:18] vhann_: yup, it's as they say.. to iterate is human, to recurse is divine [21:19] ehhh [21:19] hmmm ... 99! and 100! have the same leading digits ... oh wait [21:19] Hey, who's up for some OT? Your boss has implemented a "database" without ever having heard of Codd, normalisation or even redundancy... To discard his model means getting fired. Which tool would you rather it was implemented in, Microsoft Excel (with lots of formulae and macros implementing the "clever" stuff) or Microsoft Access (with dozens of queries, forms and other miscellanous obscured icons implementing "core" functionality)? [21:20] I'd fire the boss for using Microsoft [21:20] fuzzix: can I just quit the job, instead of picking between two crappy choices? [21:20] Urchlay: Job market's a bit cruddy at the mo.. You can try [21:20] fuzzix: you can't subtly suggest a flurry of changes to the schema over several rounds and make him feel like he was part of the change ? [21:21] fired vs. quit ... which one leaves you in control? [21:21] that's like asking me if I'd rather die by being shot in the head with either a .45 or .50 cal... either way is going to be the same result [21:21] pseudonymous: You could if you had more than four days to bend the model to requirements [21:21] you devise an excellent replacement in secrecy, present it to his superiors, then profit [21:22] tell the boss you've decided to use MySQL on Slackware Linux [21:22] if you're stuck with MS stuff, why not MS SQL server? A lot saner than using Access [21:23] btw what the hell is codd [21:23] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Urchlay: actually not.. The worst project I've heard a company do was to use a DB where they made ONE record of ONE attribute (varchar) where they stuffed the ENTIRE contents of an XML document in, whenever the data had to change they pulled out the entire XML, parsed it, altered a given piece of data and saved it back into the database.. Now *that* is horrible, yet it's actually sitting out there in a production system [21:23] at least MY boss specifically said in our last meeting "I really do not want to buy anything more from Microsoft" [21:24] GooseYArd: probably referring to DB normal forms. Like the Boyce-Codd normal form. The different forms have different properties which sometimes turns out to be desirable [21:24] Urchlay: Tru dat, costs money though! Justify it. My argument is that MS told me Access is a database. What's the problem if I need 1500 users to use it, I read elsehwere that databases have these properties: blah blah and blah blah [21:24] pseudonymous: it could be worse ... they could store the XML in rows, one character per row [21:24] jeev: arent you armenian? [21:25] Skaperen: I guess, but they just tossed the entire reason for even dealing with a database out the window :) [21:25] pseudonymous: oh hah i only knew of them by number [21:25] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] Skaperen: I work for a gold partner! Which means when our customers stop paying the bills there is at least a month's notice before thumbs are broken. [21:25] pseudonymous: many places have used databases as filesystems [21:25] Action: fuzzix /may/ be venting right now [21:25] fuzzix: CYA. Make damn sure your objections are officially noted, so that when the system eventually collapses under its own weight, you have documented proof that it's not your fault [21:26] the necessity of having to think like that, is why I left the industry a couple years ago [21:26] you could also just do it [21:26] that would be cool [21:26] Urchlay: Well, that's a given :) [21:27] fuzzix: then you have some chance at finding another job ... if you are experienced in coding Java, Python, on Linux ... send me a resume [21:27] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:28] Skaperen: Yeah, you said the magic words... but most of what I've delivered this year was C, Perl and PHP and not an object among 'em so I'm not cut out for strict OO. [21:28] Skaperen: why ? I would think the entire reason for stuffing things in a RDB is that you can work with the relational properties to construct interesting queries on your data, note constraints etc.. Why use it as a glorified file-system in one single record ? [21:28] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] pseudonymous: that SHOULD be the reason ... I've seen some awful use of DBs ... including in my DB class in college [21:29] fuzzix: some C will help ... some PHP will help ... any Java at all? [21:31] go read thedailywtc.com, plenty of examples of database abuse there [21:31] er, thedailywtf.com [21:31] yermandu (~Y@unaffiliated/yermandu) left irc: Quit: letter [21:31] Skaperen: Lots, but despise it. Also, the fact that you said resume leads me to believe you are > 3000 miles away... and I try not to apply for jobs after more that, oh, 6 beers ;) [21:32] I have these nightmares about going for PHP coding tests pre-interview [21:32] "This is our markup object" [21:32] "Create an instance for each tag you need" [21:32] fuzzix: I might well be over 3000 miles from you :-( [21:32] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [21:33] Time to reveal to eachother where you're at ;) [21:33] And I get escorted off the premises for screaming JESUS YOU NEVER HEAR OF TOP-DOWN AND A HEREDOC?! [21:33] fuzzix: I thought most dumb bosses were in USA [21:33] Action: Skaperen is near Pittsburgh, PA, USA [21:34] Skaperen: I've been in public and private sector in .ie - still making up my mind about which is more clueless. Definitely clearer on which is better to work for [21:35] fuzzix: try this C code and tell me why it gives the wrong answer ... http://phil.ipal.org/c/intdiv.c [21:35] do download and compile it [21:35] It's always depressing hearing about IT professionals saying that their industry leaders suck.. Doesn't make you look forward to getting a job [21:36] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:36] pseudonymous: there are industry leaders and there are a LOT of wannabes that have no clue, but do have the pointy hair [21:37] pseudonymous: like the one that I once worked for that insisted that DNS was unreliable because it uses UDP [21:37] ok, rephrase.. Pointy-haired bosses (like the boss from dilbert) :) [21:37] espreto (~bb02319b@gateway/web/freenode/x-bscmxqqmmhrnmtyr) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Skaperen: Interesting [21:38] even more depressing: I used to help a lot of Ga. Tech students with their homework, 99% of them were completely clueless about what they were doing (even after 2 or 3 years of getting good grades in CS classes) [21:39] fuzzix: this is one of my interview tests [21:39] guys, ##slackware-offtopic [21:39] fuzzix: note that solving it is NOT the requirement ... I evaluate the analysis effort [21:39] spook: OK [21:40] silence is better than interesting-but-offtopic conversation? [21:40] bleah [21:40] Skaperen: Well, it's to do with the value of -2000000000 unsigned [21:40] OMG STAY ON TOPIC [21:40] fuzzix: ##slackware-offtopic [21:41] huh, I wasn't even aware of an offtopic chan. too used to that sort of thing going on in here [21:42] kinda sad we have one [21:42] agreed [21:42] maybe it should be renamed ##slackware-cafe ? [21:42] no [21:42] cafe god no [21:42] espreto (bb02319b@gateway/web/freenode/x-bscmxqqmmhrnmtyr) left ##slackware. [21:43] why is it sad? its there to avoid offtopic conversation drowning out people talking about slackware. [21:43] pseudonymous: A lot of channels have an offtopic channel. [21:43] even #freenode has #defocus [21:43] I know - my point being, offtopic usually peaks here when the channel is otherwise dead [21:43] but nobody's been talking about slackware, except pseudonymous's interface-naming issue, and he stopped talking about that [21:44] #slackware-cafe [21:44] i like that [21:44] not to mention this is the channel people go to when they can't figure out what they are doing figuring the smart slackers will know. [21:44] Urchlay: i wasnt making an objection to your guys convo, just letting you know the channel exists [21:45] darkwurm: it has long been this way =) [21:45] \o phrag [21:46] spook: so we needed to be ready to move or be quiet as soon as someone had something to talk about related to slackware (like a newbie having trouble installing) [21:46] you dont need to do anything [21:47] Action: Skaperen would more likely switch to the on-topic conversation [21:47] its really just a suggestion. [21:47] phrag: hehe yeah I know, maybe if other distros didn't make their users so stupid... Now I'm in danger of going too far off topic. [21:47] hey, i personally don't object to technical off-topic conversations, as long as they are tech relevant and it does not detract from the channel's support or general well being.. bar political and/or religious topics.. which are neither technical nor constructive =P [21:48] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:49] phrag: unless of course you worship your slackware install [21:49] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-6.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:50] subgenious religion is partly permitted =P [21:50] http://pastebin.com/m23e33d39 [21:50] haha as it should be [21:50] \o Pig_Pen [21:51] o/ fire|bird [21:51] what's all the \o o/ stuff ? [21:51] hello ? [21:52] its a wave [21:52] the o is the four fingers, the / is the thumb [21:52] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [21:52] or its a dude's head, and his arm up in the air [21:52] lol [21:53] spook: the latter, o = persons head, \ or / denotes a person's arm waving. [21:53] shrug, people who i played eve with for 9 months disagree, which is where i learnt about it :P [21:53] lol [21:54] either way, it's someone waving hello :) [21:54] Isn't that really all internet language ? People also disagree over the origin/meaning of qq and similar lingo [21:54] For some reason I thought that practice died along with BBSs [21:55] pseudonymous: most of it predates internet as we know it today [21:56] SlackNews (nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:57] hobos that rode the rails during the depression of the 1930s communicated with iconic symbols too [21:57] I think the first time I saw a :) was on some WWIV board in 1986 [21:57] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:57] oh c... it's 4am again [21:57] almost 9PM CST here [21:58] timezones are sneaky. They trick you into thinking it's normal to be up, there's other people on it says.. [22:00] Pig_Pen: hahaha [22:01] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:02] i dont know what to do about a routing pc damnit [22:02] this stupid celeron crap i have is too loud [22:02] i could throttle the cpu fan and the PSU, i want to swap out the 3.5 inch with a lappy drive. hmm [22:04] Action: Skaperen used to have an ARM board that could do routing ... CPU ran so cool no heat sink was needed ... but had to build a custom distro for it [22:04] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] for an arm? [22:04] what could freeze KMess in Kde4.4? [22:04] to get it the way I wanted, sure :) [22:05] why not armedslack? :> [22:05] I almost used that ... still would have stripped it down [22:05] sluttyduck (~slut@74.215.29.198) joined ##slackware. [22:05] everything ran out of the initramfs for what I needed to do [22:07] nv4Phil (~phil@c-76-114-88-146.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] Good evening. What's an alternative to use for wifi/networking? I'm using "wicd" at the moment, and the interface is rather buggy on my system. It keeps trying to pull up the wrong wifi network, as many times as I tell it which one to use!!! [22:09] nv4Phil: what version of wicd are you using? [22:09] do you move around quite a bit, or only 1 network? [22:10] Pig_Pen: what's different about pirate stations than normal ones? more genre specific? [22:10] you could try wifi-radar it is a python app, i have not used it since slack-12.1 or sometime way back so i am not even sure it will build/run on slack 13 [22:10] or is it talk [22:10] spook: 1.5.9 ... thrice`: I move from network to network frequently as I go between locations. [22:10] try updating, first - your version is pretty old [22:10] nv4Phil: thats quite old an buggy. try 1.6.2.2 or 1.7 [22:11] mrselfpwn: no commercialism, and they can possibly say anything contraversial or critical of the government or corporatism [22:11] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:12] ah, would i find that? just to check it out [22:12] where* [22:15] _Slesh_ (~ALIVE@189.104.182.83) joined ##slackware. [22:15] that's cool.. you can select 'Slackware-current' as an operating system at opera.com =) [22:16] phrag: current? really. It used to just be slackware. [22:16] Action: fire|bird looks [22:16] ok... I ran the install for wicd 1.7... rebooting [22:16] nv4Phil: you dont need to reboot.... [22:16] before i leave, it really irks me that a lot of binary release and stuff out there doesn't list slackware [22:16] spook: why not? [22:16] i blame that solely on thrice`. [22:16] http://www.opera.com/browser/download/ [22:16] nice try [22:16] nv4Phil: /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd restart killall wicd-client wicd-client [22:17] Slackware 13.0 and Slackware Current =) [22:17] Pig_Pen: or is that secret. ;) [22:17] phrag: that's awesome. :) [22:17] not in pkg format i may add, but nice format for slackbuild =) [22:17] i'm going to give opera a go just for that =P [22:18] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.202) joined ##slackware. [22:18] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:18] especially as i just read about them 'beating chrome' with their latest release, although not sure that's made it to nix yet [22:18] phrag: That is 10.5, not a final release yet, but getting close, it is very fast and beat chrome and the other browsers in js tests. [22:18] mrselfpwn: you would not a good shortwave reveiver with SSB and a heck of a good outdoor antenna or even a decently good sized piece of copper wire strung up in the trees as high as you can get it [22:19] /s/not/need [22:19] nv4Phil (~phil@c-76-114-88-146.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Quebec Uniform India Tango [22:19] phrag: Also, with 10.5, it will no longer be dependent on qt. [22:19] nv4Phil (~phil@c-76-114-88-146.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] macius (~root@i209-195-79-136.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:19] macius kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [22:19] Pig_Pen: ah okay. [22:20] Pig_Pen: when i was in high school a friend and i bought a small fm transmitter [22:20] I'm still having the same issue with connecting to wireless networks... I tried to connect to one wireless network, and it says I'm trying a totally different network [22:20] macius (~macius@i209-195-79-136.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:20] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] never got it to work right though. [22:21] i just listen, i dont have a transmitter or transeiver [22:21] i see, that's kind of cool. [22:22] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [22:22] i have had my ear to the airwaves for a long long time [22:22] ah, nice. kind of makes me wish I would have stuck with it though am preoccupied with other projects now. :) [22:23] equally nefarious though ;) [22:23] nv4Phil-2 (~phil@c-76-114-88-146.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] nv4Phil (~phil@c-76-114-88-146.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:24] Nick change: nv4Phil-2 -> nv4phil [22:24] ok... I think this may work, for now... I had to clear out /etc/wicd/wireless-settings.conf after I upgraded wicd [22:25] http://imagebin.org/84616 here is some software i just started messing around with, it decodes digital transmissions this is some PSK31 from near Tokyo Japan i picked them up on a piece of wire in oklahoma usa [22:25] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [22:25] If wicd gives me any further issues, I'll come back looking for a different interface...but for now, this one works. [22:26] ah cool. i like to listen to the morse on some sites i've found [22:26] up in the higher ranged channels [22:26] there isn't anything else, really; network-manager needs policykit stuff, otherwise wpa_supplicant has a qt4 based tool, which should be on your system already [22:26] or lower, which ever it is. :D [22:27] i'll check that prog out though [22:27] or, just a thorough wpa_supplicant.conf [22:27] that software says it can decode CW (morse code) but i have not tried that yet, i only got this working yesterday evening, and captured that screenshot early this morning [22:27] ah, wow that sounds really awesome. [22:28] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [22:28] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:30] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:18] ardya: ext3 [23:18] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:18] Nick change: weirfghliewugfh -> weirf [23:21] ext3 needs to be mounted with the acl options for setfacl to work [23:21] the fstab options for home partition have 'defaults,acl', but even after mount -a, mount -l only shows rw [23:21] how do i remount home without rebooting? [23:21] mount -a doesn't seem to do it [23:22] oh... by the way... home is on lvm [23:22] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:22] mount -o remount,acl /dev/whatever [23:23] nooper: awesome! that worked! [23:24] you didn't google before asking [23:25] nooper: i had no idea about mount -o .... i only knew about mount -a... sorry [23:25] And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to not google before asking! [23:25] ah, no problem [23:27] nooper: do you know if there is any way of enforcing permission inheritance with acl? [23:27] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] nooper: so if a user creates a file or directory in a particular directory, their umask will be ignored and the permissions of the parent will be used? [23:28] veritos (~4c68f9a7@gateway/web/freenode/x-ytqhamltpmfmqput) joined ##slackware. [23:32] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:32] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:35] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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