[00:01] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:04] gm145 (n=gm145@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Quitting!" [00:05] Dominian: I have not seen that behaviour on my imps2 [00:05] have you checked all the buttons? No hidden ones? [00:05] At least, not that has been readily apparent... I don't go mucking about with hal unless I have to :P [00:06] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "holy what the... yup" [00:06] sopas (n=souphead@112.198.132.111) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:06] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.184.194) joined ##slackware. [00:09] eviljames: hrm [00:09] eviljames: You using hal or xorg.conf settings? [00:09] i have created a host at no-ip.com pointing at my public ip adress, what need i to do now into slackware to make all work [00:09] paissad: make "all" what "work" ? [00:10] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [00:10] frk (n=frk@189.58.213.251.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:10] eviljames: Do you mind putting your mouse section of xorg.conf on a pastebin.. if that's what you're using. [00:10] Dominian: you can create a custom fdi file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy for it (theoretically). See http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint for an example. [00:10] rworkman: already tried [00:10] for example, when i use ssh, i would like to write login@domain ... not login@ip_adress [00:10] i created a domain pointing at my ip adress [00:10] rworkman: Num_buttons is 32 [00:11] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@114.243.235.148) left ##slackware (""rebooting""). [00:11] that's what xinput list shows for my mouse :) [00:11] Dominian: oh, and that's wrong, I take it? [00:11] rworkman: and that's totally freakin' wrong [00:11] hrm [00:11] haha [00:11] rworkman: yeah its a microsoft intellimouse explorer 3... 5 button mouse.. which X detects as 7.. usually because of the scroll wheel [00:11] its really weird [00:12] paissad: just do ssh yourhostname.no-ip.com [00:12] Dominian, ok [00:12] rworkman: and I'd rather use hal for this rather than xorg.conf, mainly because that's the way just about every distro is heading.. might as well get used to it [00:12] or set up ~/.ssh/config [00:13] Dominian: where is this Num_buttons showing up at? [00:13] when I run: xinput list [00:13] hang on.. let me pastebin [00:13] rworkman: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14774 [00:13] check that weird output out [00:14] note the Macintosh emulation that's loading [00:14] Hrm, I see that too, but all is fine here. [00:14] frk (n=frk@189.58.213.251.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [00:14] what is yoru Num_buttons showing? [00:14] xorg@freedesktop.org [00:14] huh? [00:15] http://rlworkman.net/xinput_list [00:15] The xorg@ address is the xorg mail list. I think this problem belongs there :) [00:15] I'm subscribed, so I'll see it. [00:16] Well, another kicker.. [00:16] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:16] it detects my side buttons as 8 9 [00:16] can anyone recommend a good, decent priced, dedicated server vendor? [00:17] mshade: I've heard good things about corenetworks.net [00:17] (and we're considering them to replace colo'd cardinal) [00:18] frk (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [00:18] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [00:20] rworkman: mail sent [00:20] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:21] cool [00:21] Good luck :) [00:21] shonudo (n=user@c-76-113-6-156.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] rworkman: yeah.. well just subscribed to the list.. [00:22] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.242) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:22] Just sucks.. cause I can't have my mouse buttons I need in Enemy Territory :P [00:24] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@114.243.235.148) joined ##slackware. [00:24] slack-o (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [00:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] slack-o (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: Client Quit [00:26] how to re-configure the xorg.conf ? I upgraded slackware-current today, and can't start the x server now, there was an error " can not load i810, freetype modules " [00:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:37] shonudo, yea, somewhat, and they just work [00:40] holy crap [00:40] look at this from ifconfig: [00:40] RX packets:22769534 errors:0 dropped:23176607571956 overruns:0 frame:0 [00:40] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:40] heh [00:40] anyone think of any possible causes for dropped packets off the charts like that? [00:40] hopefully that's an error... [00:40] Looks like someone is ping flooding you [00:40] can't be accurate [00:41] bryanlharris: that wouldn't make sense... [00:41] Does dropped imply that you sent the packets or that someone sent the packets to you? [00:41] a UDP flood would make sense. [00:41] mshade: tcpdump [00:41] Dominian: apologies, was afk. Resolved? [00:41] how can you tcpdump and ignore ssh traffic? [00:41] this is a dedicated box [00:41] im trying to troubleshoot packet loss [00:41] ;) [00:42] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.159.195.91) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:42] Dominian: the z-axis/hal/xorg thing, that is. [00:42] eviljames: nah.. sent an email to the freedesktop.org mailing list... [00:42] mshade: tcpdump -ni not port 22 [00:42] er [00:42] tcpdump -ni eth0 not port 22 [00:43] Dominian: I'm not using hal, afaict, everything looks stock. [00:43] eviljames: Can you pastebin your mouse section in xorg.conf? [00:43] yep, sec. [00:44] thanks [00:44] WOW [00:44] could be I just need to chagne the driver or something [00:44] mshade: amazing what you see in tcpdump ;) [00:44] this is insane [00:44] Is it coming from one IP? [00:44] or does it appear to be multiple? [00:45] Dominian: http://pastebin.ca/1457429 [00:45] it's multiple [00:45] it's a frigging flood of arp requests [00:45] like [00:45] eviljames: how many buttons does yo9ur mouse have? [00:45] holy crap i've never seen anything like this before [00:45] Dominian: 4 + wheel [00:45] mshade: are they IPs on the same subnet as you? [00:46] eviljames: left, right, two side buttons than the scroll? [00:46] Dominian: yup. [00:46] hrm [00:46] mshade: you can log with -o file.cap iirc [00:46] er.. -w [00:46] Dominian: I'm totally basic about the way I use it though, I only use left, right & wheel. [00:46] some of them are not even close [00:46] eviljames: k [00:46] thanks [00:46] no [00:46] np [00:47] one in a blue moon is the same subnet [00:47] most are not [00:47] not even in the same a class [00:47] ddos? [00:47] mshade: pastebin some of the output [00:49] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:49] http://pastebin.ca/1457434 [00:49] this is from a less than 5 second capture [00:49] and only an excerpt at that [00:50] Yep.. DDoS [00:50] that's 3 seconds of output [00:50] is this on your home box? [00:50] no [00:50] colo box? [00:50] this is a box that went up only 2 days ago [00:50] it's a dedicated server @ hivelocity.net [00:50] the IP appears to be forged [00:51] mshade: You need to contact their support.. [00:51] let them know a DDoS is taking place [00:51] their upstream provider should be able to blackhole it [00:51] or they may be able to.. never know [00:51] the arp requests wouldn't bother me [00:51] unless the arp requests are continuous [00:52] the UDP hits on your box would though [00:52] well the arp stuff looks to be coming from their network... [00:52] my guess is they have one massive router or layer 3 switching connecting everything in their dedicated co-location.. [00:52] zgq (n=zhouguoq@124.207.144.194) joined ##slackware. [00:53] hmm - netbios-ns :) [00:53] edman007, thanks. [00:53] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) joined ##slackware. [00:53] mshade, i got lots of network errors, tcp: 2143295 bytes retransmitted, 95133 ack-only packets delayed, 9689 completely duplicate packets (6008119 bytes), 604583 out-of-order packets [00:53] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] its wifi, and its just that bad, rofl [00:54] this is not wifi, edman007 :) [00:54] and no errors other than the mass of droppe dpackets [00:54] http://pastebin.ca/1457437 [00:56] frk (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: [00:59] edman007: you said "it [the wacom] just works" -- nothing to do other than set up the kernel? [01:00] any tips interfacing with The GIMP, etc? [01:05] I don't know why... I just can't resist laughing hysterically at Ali G [01:06] Dominian: i updated support about the situation (had a ticket in already about the packet loss) [01:06] we'll see what they say [01:07] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:08] "In U S and A, very rich people like to drink wine. it is like khazaki wine but not made from fermented horse's urine." [01:08] bahahah [01:08] yo [01:08] I must not have watched enough of this, Cohen's schtick is still humourous to me. [01:10] Camarade_Tux: Did you figure out your Qt thing? [01:13] eviljames, no, haven't had time yet [01:13] I should try to figure it out tonight, not sure I'll be very effective though since I've planned to be drunken :) [01:14] code drunk; debug sober. [01:14] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.184.194) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] Action: eviljames <- has the churchill gene :P [01:14] but the law of debugging [01:14] sopas (n=souphead@112.198.138.132) joined ##slackware. [01:15] antiwire: which law? [01:15] eviljames, actually the reason we want to be drunk is that we have to write the documentation :) [01:15] because debugging is twice as hard as writing code, writing code as clever as you can means you will never be able to debug it ;) [01:15] ah, yes. [01:15] Camarade_Tux: Documentation drives me to drink, too. [01:16] but i guess if you write it drunk you'll be able to debug it [01:16] Camarade_Tux: I suppose this explains many of linux' man pages :P [01:16] eviljames, hehe :p [01:16] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.175) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:17] antiwire, hopefully it shouldn't be possible to create bugs, what is left is really really trivial [01:17] and in doubt, git is our friend :) [01:17] lol [01:17] time for beer [01:17] it's *always* possible to create more bugs! [01:17] see ya! [01:18] hahahahah good god Ali g is giving me a bad case of the chuckles [01:18] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [01:18] interviewing an officer: "So, whu duz ATF stan' for?" "Alochol, tobacco, firearms and explosives" "k, an wut else duz you guys sell?" [01:19] lol [01:19] antiwire, well, one of the three things to do is make a widget taller, I hope I can't fail that one ;) [01:19] eviljames, lol :p [01:19] "k, i dun know if yous knows this, but dolphins aint fishes. they be like us, they're mammaries" [01:21] I must get my vengeance on nature. I'm on the 4th floor, and in the alley behind my house a skunk just dropped a BOMB [01:21] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:23] wait, WHAT ? [01:23] comp__ (n=comp_@89.137.6.138) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:24] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Success [01:27] Camarade_Tux: Skunk. Pepe le peu. [01:27] s/peu/pew/ [01:28] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] Camarade_Tux: Something must have startled it (there are 2 or 3 that live in my neighborhood) and the damn skunk just stank up the whole block [01:28] eviljames, yeah, I had "squirrel" in mind [01:28] HAHAHA ! :D [01:29] That may be funny to you, but it's cookin' (even this late at night) and closing my balcony door really isn't an option [01:29] as I have no other windows. [01:29] ^^ [01:29] how long does that usually last ? [01:30] hopefully the wind picks up and starts blowing it away [01:30] I want to get a skunk that has its stink balls removed and make it a pet [01:32] Good plan. Then put it on a leash and take it for a walk. [01:32] heck yeah [01:32] chicks would dig that [01:32] should be perfect to get girls [01:32] go down to a crowded beach: "attn swimmers: GTFO" [01:32] "it's my skunk, wanna pet him?" [01:32] Shoot the skunk. [01:33] I think chicks would totally love a dude with a pet skunk [01:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_skunk [01:34] that would be so cool [01:34] I wonder if they still do their ass standing deal even if they don't have the stinker [01:35] morning [01:36] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:36] antiwire: the chicks or the skunk? [01:36] haha [01:36] lmao [01:37] antiwire: they do, according to that article. [01:37] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-087-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] rworkman: that pretty much made my day. [01:39] hi [01:40] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.70.26) joined ##slackware. [01:41] eviljames: :) [01:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:49] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [01:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:53] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [01:54] wow it's 08:53 and i'm already at work. it's' a miracle [01:55] this change is startling. you're fired. [01:56] at one place I worked, the last time someone, who was always late, came in early...they stole $60k wroth of product. [01:57] he came in early so he could pad a "scrap" pallet with good product and sell it his special scrap guy, they were close friends. [01:58] but we had a hunch of the whole operation and had setup an extra 15 pin hole wireless cameras around the place. we caught it all. [01:59] superb. [01:59] jail time? [01:59] here's the catch...on a technicality, he didn't break any laws. [01:59] hahah wtf [02:00] Action: eviljames NEEDS to know how :P [02:00] his was actually invoicing the scrap pallets, with one line "LOT" [02:00] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [02:00] LOT XXXXX Descrip: scrap parts [02:00] so on technicality, the whole pallet was really being invoiced [02:01] That simply can't be right.. [02:01] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:02] slKIvs (n=ivan@72.252.50.96) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:02] Becuase what was on the pallet was not scrap parts. [02:02] due to the vagueness of the invoice and the lack of any auditing of assumed scrap pallets he had defense [02:03] hrm [02:03] there was no explicitly clear definition of scrap, for all it matter any product that was not going to sell for a profitable amount could have been sold as scrap [02:04] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:04] crazy [02:04] firebird619: y0 [02:05] y0 dude, how goes it? [02:05] so he was finding inventory in the system that was old, to the point of being on the shelf for so long that it couldn't possibly sell at a price that would have covered its own space use and injecting it into the scrap "LOTS" [02:05] but on the street it was still valuable [02:05] Hey antiwire [02:05] yo [02:06] antiwire: I got that current vm straightened out by removing and adding the packages. It works great now. Thanks alot for the help. [02:07] antiwire: that's a clever enough scam [02:07] eviljames: so basically the way to prevent that, from an inventory and invoicing point of view, is simple; audit all scrap "LOTS" prior to invoicing and absolutely do not allow an invoice to be processed with a description of only "scrap lot" [02:08] eviljames: yeah. in the end we all admitted that the guy was pretty smart about it, but ultimately careless in execution [02:08] I'm glad I don't have to deal with any of that crap. [02:08] I learned so much about inventory management at that job [02:09] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-201-109.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:10] firebird619: nice, so it was a corrupted /var/log/packages ? [02:10] I wonder how that actually happened though [02:11] antiwire: No, it wasn't corrupted I don't think. I did that export ROOT=/mnt/vbox1/ that Urchlay suggested, removed the packages that had been removed, installed the ones that I didn't have that had been added, restarted and it worked great. [02:12] ah [02:12] it was a root path issue caused by the boot disk [02:12] I upgraded my hdd install to -current tonight, went smooth as silk. I LOVE KDE4. :D [02:12] and just think. kde4 is still under heavy development. what's it going to look like by kde4.5? [02:12] yeah, once I fixed the path to look at the right place, all was good. [02:13] I noticed that my home server that uses i915 graphics no longer as a resolution setting issue with X after upgrading the Xorg [02:13] eviljames: yeah, I know. Just look at the vast improvements they've made so far. [02:13] I'm stoked about that fix [02:13] nice. [02:15] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:19] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [02:22] shonudo (n=user@c-76-113-6-156.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:22] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-087-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:24] Good, the skunk is gone. [02:26] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [02:27] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] well this is interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choline#Choline_as_a_supplement [02:31] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Client Quit [02:31] "Choline is a chemical precursor or "building block" needed to produce the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, and research suggests that memory, intelligence and mood are mediated at least in part by acetylcholine metabolism in the brain" [02:32] except for the possible fish odor syndrome it sounds like an interesting vitamin [02:34] So, it should be a neuro enhancer? [02:35] yeah, at least a precursor to [02:36] It's often used alongside other designer drugs for brain function enhancement [02:36] since those types of drugs (nootropics) sometimes use up acetylcholine faster when taken [02:37] it's like adding more air to an engine so you can add more fuel [02:38] I don't think I'd take it. [02:38] My brain is already like a beehive. I smoke pot to slow it down and consider things [02:38] I totally relate to that [02:39] Unfortunately, that occasionally backfires as the pot enhances my "find things humourous" circuits, and causes me to engage teh "eat copius amounts of doritos" function [02:39] That's actually why I'm researching this category of supplements and drugs [02:39] Zplay (n=POSTE_DA@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-158.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:39] if you're interested in this type of thing just read about nootropics [02:40] It's a category often used by PhD level students, they use them to supposedly crank up brain function in cognition [02:41] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) joined ##slackware. [02:41] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:42] antiwire: googled. [02:43] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [02:44] hmm, heart failure is a risk, eh? [02:44] That seems worthwhile.. [02:49] lol [02:49] yeah some of them are pretty crazy [02:54] Well, at least one recent study shows that pot has a net positive effect on the hippocampus [02:54] So perhaps I'll just continue with my current strategy. :P [02:55] hehe [02:56] it sure couldn't hurt your well-being ;) [02:57] http://www.yorktownhistory.org/homepages/1900_predictions.htm [02:57] predictions from 1900 about what y2k would look like. [02:57] some are surprisingly accurate, considering what tech existed at the time [02:58] others are laughable... prediction 16 seems to be coming true due to SMS. [02:58] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:06] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-a2038c773bcac300) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:06] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:09] firebird619, on the way home from work on a country rode 4 cars were parked in the road and i didnt realise till i was really close. anyway 5 guys were out there beating some kid to death with a tree branch and some girls were watching [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] did you call the hwy patrol? [03:11] i called in yeah and i guess some people were on the way but they didnt know how many guys were out there so they had to send more troops [03:11] i slowed down and told them to get the fuck off the road though [03:12] not condoning it but if they are going to do some stupid shit they should do it on the shoulder [03:12] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:12] 4cars no lights, yeah i almost fucking hit them i was so pissed [03:13] yeah. i would have used my fire extinguisher and foldable shovel on them [03:13] 5vs1 is not fair [03:13] had my kid not been in the car i would have stopped and like pull out the 10mm or something cause i'm gangster [03:13] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:14] colt 10mm gold cup [03:14] never been shot [03:15] something similar happened to me once. I was driving and saw two people kicking another person while he was down on the ground. so i stopped and got out, pulled out my survival knife and hold them to fight me. [03:15] they stopped [03:15] hubbys dad gave it to him for his bday [03:15] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:16] i told them to back away from the guy on the ground and I let him get up and start walking away. then i told the two attackers to not move while both of us walked away from them [03:16] damn assholes [03:17] they were fine kicking a guy while he was down but the two jerk offs wouldn't take on one guy with a knife [03:18] gahhh i need to move [03:18] if it gets any worse around here [03:19] fucking meth heads busting up labs [03:19] burning down apartments [03:19] that's the worse [03:19] when i worked at a music store as a book keeper well it was a head shop sorta but this woman brought her 4 year old in and bought a damn crack pipe with crumbled bills [03:19] if i was the owner i would have refused sale [03:19] i caught some tweaker in my garage once and when I asked wtf they were doing the tweaker asked if they could borrow my mountain bike... [03:19] wtf is that. [03:20] zgq (n=zhouguoq@124.207.144.194) left ##slackware. [03:20] nix_chix0r: wow, that's horrible. [03:21] tweakers man [03:21] out of control. [03:22] time to leave minnesota heh or move to edina [03:22] live in some gated community [03:22] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-201-109.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:22] heya frullet, how are you? [03:22] firebird619: doing well, yourself? [03:22] doing excellent, thank you. [03:26] heh, konsole won't open now, I just had it open a few minutes again. now it complains about libphonon.so.4 :P [03:26] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-80-49-150.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:30] update you tree...7 changes [03:30] your* [03:31] woodoomagic1 (n=woodooma@93.86.165.206) joined ##slackware. [03:31] k, will do. thank you. [03:33] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [03:36] not the x86_64 package issue [03:37] slackpkg won't catch that so you'll need to do it manually using the % option with upgradepkg [03:37] not/note [03:37] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.185.199) joined ##slackware. [03:37] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [03:38] hello [03:38] hi christian [03:38] antiwire: ok, thanks. I was just looking at the changelog as you said that. [03:40] hello,can someone explain to me what means : "$10-$15/hr W2" ?in a job offer ? thank you [03:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:42] it means you'll be on a W2 tax set up and working for 10-15 dollars per hour [03:42] skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] alright I want the hell out of gnome. which WM do I try this time? [03:42] aka: an employee, not a contractor...which would be a 1099 [03:42] reallove: means they pay you $10-$15/hr, plus you have to take care of your own taxes [03:42] sorry - antiwire is correct [03:46] thank you [03:46] dusty_ (n=dusty@www.linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:46] skapning: I still like kde [03:47] alisonken1noc: should I install 4.2 and give 'er a whirl, or am I going to be unhappy in doing so? [03:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:47] alisonken1noc: mind you I prefer to use the terminal for most things, hence WM question :D [03:48] skapning: depends on your expectations. If you're going to install anyway, might as well give 4.2 a whirl [03:48] *rubs chin* would you recommend 3.5 in favor of that though? [03:48] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:48] since I haven't played with 4.x yet, I won't give an opinion on it [03:48] sopas (n=souphead@112.198.138.132) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:49] skapning: I am using KDE 4.2 right now and love it. [03:49] now really...http://www.divinecaroline.com/70421/72498-pushy-shower-curtain-forces-green [03:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:49] what a crappy idea [03:49] firebird619: something to think about. [03:49] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-203.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [03:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:50] all that would do is piss me off which would mean i'd start cutting that thing up just so i could get the damn soap off me [03:50] antiwire: what the heck kind of crap ideas are those. :P [03:50] lol [03:51] Here's an idea geniuses, you want to cut down shower time? Set a friggen timer/alarm clock. DING, problem solved. :P [03:51] those aren't shower curtains, they are RAGE curtains [03:51] lol, yeah. [03:51] Zplay (n=POSTE_DA@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-158.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [03:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:52] what's to say that first one wouldn't malfunction or some darn thing and suffocate someone. [03:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:52] yeah [03:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:52] firebird619: I don't remember liking konsole a huge chunk though. [03:52] Action: skapning rubs chin [03:53] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [03:53] skapning: Well, there's others you can use, rxvt, sakura, xterm, aterm, eterm, etc. [03:54] firebird619: 'course. just thinking of the native environment presently. [03:54] yeah [03:55] firebird619: I just remember hating/despising KDE 4.1, that's my primary hesitation. [03:55] Anyone know how to adjust what default dir a terminal opens too. Since installing KDE4, it defaults to Documents. [03:55] skapning: imo, there have been many changes/improvements since the 4.1 series. [03:55] It's very nice looking, very responsive. I really like it. [03:55] firebird619: the interface itself remains the same, if the screenshots don't lie. [03:56] firebird619: but, since you're giving it such a rousing endorsement, I'll install it. [03:56] yeah, but that can be changed around as well, the interface that is, themes, etc. [03:56] firebird619: this'll be KDE's last chance with me for half a decade :P [03:56] haha [03:56] firebird619: the theme means nothing, it just didn't flow well. [03:56] firebird619: the start menu/bottom-left-launcher thing infuriated me, for example. [03:57] Well, to me it does, but of course each person has different tastes. [03:57] well, my general ethos ends up being in most cases: either be a really good GUI, or stay out of my way so that I can dive into the term. [03:57] If you do love it as much as I do, you'll be using it for the next half decade. :P [03:57] firebird619: we shall see. I remain a devotee of ze console regardless. [03:57] ever tried fluxbox? [03:58] firebird619: of course. [03:58] ion3? [03:58] no. [03:58] pekwm? openbox? [03:58] :D [03:58] pek no, OB yes. [03:58] firebird619: s/gui/cli/g; Happy times [03:58] ever tried awesome? ion3 is similar, but imo much better. It's very nice. It's a tiling window manager. [03:59] frullet: What are you using right now, just cli? [03:59] no I haven't, I've avoided tiling WMs up to this point. [03:59] but ion3 use non free code ? [03:59] ion3 is quite nice, it does have one quirt that I hate. [03:59] quirk? [03:59] err. quirk. :P [03:59] firebird619: fluxbox because im browsing but otherwise only cli [03:59] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/session) joined ##slackware. [04:00] hi [04:00] Thom1: I don't think so. It's on slackbuilds.org, you can go check it out. [04:00] frullet: :) [04:00] frullet: know of any console replacements for pidgin? I really do despise that damn app. [04:00] I don't hate cli, I just like using a gui. [04:00] frullet: still need GUI browsing, but nevertheless. [04:00] skapning: cant say i do [04:00] I'm on pidgin right now. :) [04:00] firebird619, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_%28window_manager%29 [04:01] LGPL with non-free clauses [04:01] skapning: pidgin as far as for IM's also, or just irc? [04:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [04:01] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:02] Mornun [04:02] firebird619: I already use irssi for IRC, I want to kill pidgin and use the terminal for AIM/Yahoo/MSN/GChat [04:02] Zordrak: hola. [04:02] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:02] salutations Zordrak [04:03] skapning: I can't think of the name right now, but there are at least a couple cli-based IM programs out there. [04:03] ctrl-alt-backspacing, brb [04:03] skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:05] I like pekwm because he's between tiling manager and openbox/flubox [04:05] I don't really know openbox [04:07] s/he/it :/ [04:07] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [04:11] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:11] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:13] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.192) joined ##slackware. [04:15] suggest finch to skapning when he returns. finch is the terminal-based pidgin. [04:15] Well, time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. [04:15] have a good one firebird619 [04:15] slava_dp: good idea. I also found centerim (on slackbuilds.org) I've never used it, but he may like that as well. [04:15] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [04:16] mornin [04:16] Hi and bye compl3x, I'm just going. [04:16] firebird619: noooo [04:16] slava_dp: thanks, you too. [04:16] I just goosed my xserver haha [04:16] compl3x: It's 03:16 here. I must go. Gotta sleep sometime. :) [04:16] haha laters [04:16] later man, take care. [04:17] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:17] Did the latest upgrades - realised it created a new xorg.conf - went to use my old one, didn't back up the one that worked, now I can't get into X because it "can't find display" [04:18] Any pointers? [04:22] skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] alisonken1noc: okay, I've been won over. [04:22] alisonken1noc: the customizability + dolphin = I'm a KDE user now. [04:23] skapning: everyone will follow suit eventually [04:24] Zordrak: I sincerely hope so, I've been preaching for (mainstream) Linux desktop homogeneity for years now. [04:24] everyone, me included has been rightfully skeptical... but bottom sine is it is fantastic [04:24] Zordrak: I emphasize mainstream, because up until now, I stuck with WMs. [04:24] *line [04:24] Zordrak: it really is quite nice. [04:24] Zordrak: oh oh oh, and ktorrent! [04:24] Zordrak: ktorrent is great! [04:25] Zordrak: it manages my desktop backgrounds properly unlike Gnome/Compiz as well. [04:25] Zordrak: any info on that ^ pretty stuck here atm [04:25] skapning: meh... still doesnt beat azureus [04:25] Zordrak: I'm java-phobic. [04:25] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Zordrak: highly so, in fact. [04:25] skapning: same [04:25] Zordrak: me too.. thoroughly... but it works and works well .. so i deal with it [04:26] compl3x: on what? [04:26] Did the latest upgrades - realised it created a new xorg.conf - went to use my old one, didn't back up the one that worked, now I can't get into X because it "can't find display" [04:26] backup? [04:26] orite [04:27] X -configeru [04:27] and make sure hal is on [04:27] hald [04:27] okay [04:27] tbh you shit hit up the channel logs for mid afternoon yesterday.. it's all covored in great detail [04:27] *SHOULD [04:28] Zordrak: I'm hesitant to fiddle with Amarok though. [04:28] skapning: eh? [04:28] Zordrak: for my music playing. [04:28] How make wordnet work on slackware? [04:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:29] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:29] skapning: what fiddling? [04:29] Zordrak: well, I'm hesitant to bother adding my music collection into it. [04:29] Zordrak: du'ing the music folder, one moment. [04:30] Zordrak: 261 GB of music. [04:30] Zordrak: hence why I'm hesitant. [04:31] skapning: back [04:31] skapning: up [04:31] ?? [04:31] skapning: back up the music then sleep soundly [04:31] Zordrak: I can't afford the additional hard drives. [04:31] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:32] to be honest how can you run -current on something that matters but you dont have a backup for? [04:33] Zordrak: the OS drive and backup drive are separate. [04:33] my god man.. £36 will now get you a 320GD WD Caviar [04:33] *GB [04:34] skapning: yeah.. but you're letting the OS access it arent you? its mounted... [04:34] £33.50 for a Samsung HD322HJ [04:34] bryanlharris (n=bharris@xob.neospire.net) left ##slackware. [04:35] buy less drugs, buy more HDDs [04:35] Zordrak: I don't do drugs, I'm unemployed. [04:35] Zordrak: don't make rude assumptions. [04:35] it was a joke not an assumption [04:36] Zordrak: nevertheless, I'm unemployed with no benefits, so I do well to eat while I look for work. [04:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:37] skapning: then i seriously recommend not running -current or not mounting your store disk in current [04:38] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.70.26) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:39] compl3x_ (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [04:39] Zordrak: nothing related to the OS is going to touch the storage drive. [04:39] fail. [04:39] Zordrak: When I run X -configure - screen goes blank and I have to physically restart, grr [04:39] skapning: all it needs is sthg like amarok to have an auto-discover and a data write [04:39] compl3x_: O_o [04:40] Zordrak: which is why I haven't run it. [04:40] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:40] "sthg like" [04:40] compl3x_: thats some serious fail [04:40] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:40] ATI card=? [04:40] Zordrak: Im hungover and I can't get into kde- the console isn't helping my beer eyes [04:40] Nvidia gtx260 [04:40] hmmm [04:41] woodoomagic1 (n=woodooma@93.86.165.206) left ##slackware. [04:41] even ran nvidia-xconfigure etc and nada [04:41] i really dont know dude,,, havent even updated -current on mine yot cause im waiting for everything to sett/le [04:41] I want Bin Laden's wrist watch. [04:41] Zordrak: hmm okay : [04:42] im fsked [04:42] compl3x_: im using a nvdia card , what happened ? [04:43] init[1]: ran the current upgrades - used my old config file, now x wont start [04:43] init[1]: "no screens found" [04:43] shall i give my config ? [04:43] init[1]: um yeah - but even vesa wont config wont work [04:44] compl3x_: hald definitely running? [04:44] compl3x_: you will have to recompile to bind the nvidia binary driver [04:44] compl3x_: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you [04:44] i mean if you have upgraded to currents the kernel must be a new one [04:45] s/currents/current [04:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:45] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.24.77) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [04:45] Um failed to load freetype1 etc then goesthrough all the nvidia stuff - then say no device detected [04:45] compl3x_: did you recompile the driver? [04:46] init[1]: nvidia? [04:46] yes aren't you using new kernel now? [04:46] compl3x_: can you put that in a pastebin [04:46] usually i have this problem after kernel upgrades [04:46] init[1]: um there was no new kernel upgrade in this update was there? [04:47] still on 2.6.29.4 [04:47] xdan779: I can try - not used to using just a console tho haha [04:47] and Zordrak yes it is running [04:47] hey try recompiling it again [04:47] i mean not kernel [04:47] is slackware installer use ext4 by default ? [04:48] compl3x_: did it overwrite you /usr/bin/modules* [04:48] Thom1: new one may [04:48] compl3x_: try links for posting a pastebin from the terminal [04:48] I think I know the problem [04:48] compl3x_: what is it? [04:48] in my rc.d folder I still have rc.hald.orig and stuff [04:48] perhaps that is my issue [04:49] Hermann (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:49] hmm .o_0 [04:49] to pastebin from terminal : curl -F file=@votre_fichier nopaste.com/a [04:49] s/votre_fichier/your_file [04:49] compl3x_: I cannot imagine how hal could prevent X from starting [04:50] or : dmesg | curl -F file=@- nopaste.com/a <= for dmesg [04:50] Hmm I'll give this a shot - be back in a bit, then ill pastebin [04:50] Thom1: cool thanks for the tip [04:50] compl3x_ (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [04:50] xdan779: because the new xorg uses hald for input assignments [04:51] and if hald breaks it might break X [04:51] unless your xorg.conf has auta assignment disabled [04:51] Zordrak: ahh is this in the upcoming slackware [04:51] this is what hes using [04:53] Zordrak: I was not aware [04:55] Zordrak: is there any plans for kernel 2.6.30 ? 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[05:01] i usually face this problem [05:01] init[1]: I did that before I came on IRC earlier :p [05:01] init[1]: hes not changed his kernel or driver [05:01] oh ok ok . . [05:02] right im off- cheers for the help guys [05:02] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [05:02] Bop__ (n=ngomes@bl8-67-42.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:04] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:04] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.185.199) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Bop__ (n=ngomes@bl8-151-18.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:05] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:06] heya The-Croupier [05:07] Zordrak, are you sure slack-13.0 will use 2.6.29 kernel ? do you know when it'll be out ? [05:07] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Thom1: as sure as i can be and not precisely but soon [05:09] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Zordrak, ok thanks [05:10] Zordrak: i have made slacbuild for gyachi (clone of windows yahoo client ),can you test it ? [05:11] why me? [05:11] Zordrak: currently you're active here so just asked , any one is welcome [05:12] Zordrak, 'cause you're a pretty and very nice guy ? :D [05:12] tbh i dont have the time or inclination [05:12] or a test box for that matter [05:12] Hermann (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:12] ok,thank you :) [05:12] Thom1: what about you ? [05:13] init[1], you think I'm prettier ? :D (I like joking) [05:14] did your Sb works only with root init[1] ? [05:14] yes [05:14] skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [05:14] Hermann (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [05:15] paste me you Sb (or send) [05:15] ok [05:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:16] skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Thom1: there it is [05:18] hiya guys ;) [05:19] hiya init[1] [05:19] hi The-Croupier ! [05:19] morning [05:19] init[1], I got it [05:19] Thom1: :) [05:20] Thom1: pulseaudio have quite good amount of dependency [05:20] windows yahoo client?! why do you need such a thing? [05:20] Thom1: if you're bucy you can drop it ;) [05:20] yout Sb need pulseaudio ? [05:20] The-Croupier: yes [05:20] Thom1: yes [05:20] I haven't [05:20] Thom1: its ok then [05:21] init[1], i would do it for you but i am at work.. im really sorry man [05:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:21] The-Croupier:it provides more features than pidgin's yahoo features [05:22] init[1], your Sb doesn't download source of the software ? [05:22] Oh ok, it's in the info file [05:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:22] Thom1: no.. if you want i have already compile the dependency's [05:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Thom1: do you want those compiled packs [05:23] init[1], why don't you try it on a vm ? [05:24] yes, i have tried it ! [05:24] i mean not on vm [05:25] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [05:26] I don't really want to install dependencies [05:26] sorry [05:26] Thom1: its ok . [05:27] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [05:27] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [05:29] Thom1: dependencies are problem right ! [05:30] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-179-111.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:30] init[1], I don't want to build dependency and don't trust non-official packages I've not make [05:30] Thom1: got it :) [05:31] init[1]: test it yourself [05:31] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [05:31] if it works it works [05:31] then submit it and the guys will check its in the right format [05:31] Zordrak: yep just gona do that [05:33] when you try a Sb who need root, you use fakeroot or something else, or you use the real root ? [05:33] Thom1: i use real root [05:34] ok [05:34] Action: init[1] this is my first Slackbuild submission [05:34] init[1], you never had some bad surprises ? [05:34] Thom1: well not uptill now [05:34] :P [05:35] init[1], you want me to send you a bad surprise? [05:35] ill send you a copy of windows98 install cd :P [05:35] they guys is there any standard way to use Slackbuilds ?? i use direct root ! [05:36] init[1], I suggest you to use fakeroot [05:36] if init[1] dcc== accept do rsync http://microsoft.com/windows98/ done [05:36] The-Croupier: my hardisk was never touched my Microsoft binary :P [05:37] well VM was :P [05:37] Thom1: im gona try that :) [05:37] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [05:37] init[1], well, mine came with windows...havent changed the hdd yet, but on the other hand dd does quite a good job if used like 6times in a row [05:38] greetings edman007 [05:38] The-Croupier: what is this bad surprises actually ? [05:38] i mean any easter egg? [05:39] could be a xmas/new year sock ;) [05:39] lol:P [05:39] Axius (n=samyw@92.84.8.216) joined ##slackware. [05:40] could be a slackbuild, rm -rf somewhere after creating the pkg ;) [05:40] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.184.196) joined ##slackware. [05:40] could be a link to a video in redtube of somebody you know [05:40] now take your pick...what you think is worst [05:40] Since the slackbuilds guys test it i never bothered :) [05:42] Well that is smthing bad , i mean we Linux users don't do such kinda stuff,like hidden script action [05:42] The-Croupier: have you faced some problem ? [05:42] init[1], personally, never.. on the other hand: i do read the scripts everytime [05:42] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:43] i like reading them, some of them have different style... [05:43] ;) [05:43] hmm.. well gyachi required some modification in the script [05:43] init[1], we linux guys are not ALL the same :P [05:44] im looking for a backup network hdd software... :( can anyone suggest something? [05:44] apart from rsync? [05:45] netvault [05:45] i havn't tried thoug i usually see the add im open source magazine [05:46] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.185.199) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:46] why 'apart from rsync'? [05:46] The-Croupier: rsync or bacula [05:46] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:47] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:52] I see bacula in pending at SBo. I built it once just to check out. Now I just use cron/rsync [05:53] rsync is the dogs bollocks... little point using anything else [05:53] unlses windows is involved [05:53] I agree [05:54] Zordrak, windows is involved in this case [05:55] then bacula [05:55] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-135-8.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:55] Zordrak, yep.. just checking it as we speak [05:55] is it like the dogs bollocks ;) like rsync [05:55] no [05:55] but it works [05:55] damn [05:56] Zordrak, there are alot of stuff that are the dogs bollocks in linux that you can hardly(or sometimes NEVER) get in windows [05:56] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-201-109.dyn.iinet.net.au) left ##slackware. [05:57] The-Croupier: I'm guessing you'll want to use the slackbuild after it's approved. If I remember right, bacula was somewhat complicated to setup. [05:57] dios_mio (n=test@88.243.1.160) joined ##slackware. [05:57] been awhile [05:57] i am in slackware [05:58] chopp, i will see how it goes in this windows thingie [05:59] i guess there is no need to use bacula if rsync is so easy and quick as well ;) [05:59] damn, never an update costed me so much [05:59] Kaapa, greetings [05:59] what are you updating? [05:59] had to stay up till 4am to get everything running well [05:59] The-Croupier: did you check nevault it seems to have windows as well as linux support [05:59] that's what you get for using -current in the work laptop [06:00] -current ftw [06:00] but, in the end, it's worth it [06:00] you get to learn so much [06:00] Kaapa: as soon as i saw the Xorg updates i new i would be freezing updates on my work box for a while [06:00] Kaapa: just made sense [06:01] Axius (n=samyw@92.84.8.216) left irc: "Leaving" [06:01] yeah, I usually do the same [06:01] but I'm having some weird firefox 3.5 issue and I wanted to see if it solved it [06:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:01] Kaapa: O_o [06:01] wtf are you doing runnic 3.5? [06:02] what 3.5? [06:02] latest version is 3.0.8 [06:02] well, I work for them and it's close to final. There have been a series of tests for QA [06:02] 3.0.11 [06:02] dios_mio: 3.0.11 [06:02] oh [06:02] dios_mio: fail [06:03] well I dont use firefox... google chrome ftw :P [06:03] ... [06:03] Kaapa: for who? Mozilla? [06:03] and for some very weird reason, firefox doesn't start [06:03] :D [06:03] dios_mio: *blasphemy* [06:03] lol [06:05] Zordrak: yep [06:05] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Kaapa: nice to know theres someone in there running Slack [06:06] heh, it's an apple infection in there [06:06] ew [06:06] crazy guys... [06:06] :) [06:06] I wish apple hadnt gone unix :( [06:06] morons who might have moved to linux are using it as an excuse [06:07] "its linux but with a working GUI" [06:07] NO [06:07] ITS NOT! [06:07] Action: Zordrak chills [06:07] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.72) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:07] Zordrak: get a large relevant textbook to beat sense into them [06:07] like i have my HCI textbook which i use to beat sense into people who make shitty websites. [06:08] theres always that doorstop with an unbroken spine called Software Engineering by Sommerville (the twat) [06:09] it has to be a good textbook. [06:09] why do pricks who spend ALL their lives at a university think they have the right to dictate to the world what Good Practice is? [06:10] because they spent $KK bucks to be able to say that :) [06:10] Zordrak: one's gotta admit that they have an excellent UI, very user friendly [06:10] well actually, i'm one of those prats, at least so far. [06:10] I wished there was some DM for linux that got close to that [06:10] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:10] ... though I'd still use my good'old fvwm (-crystal) [06:10] Kaapa: if all you wanna do is create a text document or edit a wovie fine... but for actual WORK...... [06:11] Zordrak: for me, the biggest advantage of a mac is that they have total control for the hardware [06:11] Zordrak: wovie? [06:12] and don't have to stay up - like I did yesterday - trying to figure out why my keyboard wasn't configured or why the stupid dri didn't work [06:12] in osx, to do the same as chmod a+rwx a file you own, you need 'root' in the gui to do. [06:12] but still, I use it... ;) [06:12] *movie [06:12] :) [06:13] Kaapa: actually a lot of stuff isnt done by the os, but buy a sorta firmware level. [06:13] spook: as a user, I don't care, as long as it works [06:14] still - I produce more in linux [06:14] Kaapa, is there a company policy , you can use whatever you like? [06:15] also, i read about ff3.5 some time ago..its been going on for a while hasnt it? [06:15] nah, there are no policies :p [06:15] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:15] The-Croupier: you kidding? 3.6 is going on for a while [06:15] 3.5 is nearly ready [06:15] ;) [06:15] great stuff in there [06:15] is there any move away from tab based browsing? [06:15] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-229-217.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Kaapa, how long till its released? [06:16] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:16] any time soon? or more then 4months [06:16] (I'm not on the development side) I'm amazed that despite being used by 100 million users daily that team still has a lot of innovative ideas [06:16] The-Croupier: same approach as pat's - when it's ready [06:17] oh, much less than 4 months, I'd say [06:17] ;) [06:17] spook: I don't think so - you think it should? [06:17] if you guys wanna test some stuff, check ubiquity (absolutely amazing) and jetpack [06:17] Kaapa: i read something about like tab groups. [06:17] you can install it in the current version [06:18] spook: I can't tell you much more as the 3.5 DOESN'T RUN ON MY MACHINE :D [06:18] *gaah* [06:18] heh [06:18] I still blame the ati card...\ [06:18] lol [06:18] I blame ati for everything that's wrong on my computer [06:18] Kaapa: ++ [06:18] poor tradesman blames his what? [06:19] moole [06:19] even when I loose 4 hours because pat forgot to include dri on mesa, I blame ati [06:19] Kaapa: http://www.loseloose.com [06:20] oh, thanks! :) [06:20] Zordrak,lol..do you get paid to post that site or something? [06:20] lol [06:21] http://www.woviemovie.com :P [06:22] typos are different to mistakes [06:22] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-229-217.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:22] ./chkrootkit -x lkm [06:22] err sorry [06:23] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [06:24] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.192) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:24] i make a lot of typos cause im still getting to grips with dvorak... typos are typos... but stuff like lose/loose is just bad. I dont blame people for not knowing.. but theres no reason not to point it out so they can learn for the future [06:24] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.100) joined ##slackware. [06:25] people who are resistant to learning should be burned :) [06:25] sopas (n=souphead@120.28.188.96) joined ##slackware. [06:25] dvorak heh [06:25] what is dvorak for? [06:25] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [06:26] supposably its about 20% more efficient than qwerty [06:26] dvorak keyb for IRC machine, qwerty for main machine.. learning to be kefboard bilingual [06:26] Zordrak: for what it's worth, I appreciate every correction of that kind. English is not my mother language [06:26] Kaapa: mother tongue is the expression :) [06:26] Kaapa : 'native language' :) [06:26] lol [06:26] efficiency and reduction of wrist/hand strain [06:26] ok! [06:26] Kaapa: ++ [06:26] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-229-217.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [06:27] The problem with dvorak is that when you get your hands on one of the other 99% keyboards, you're 80% slower [06:27] Kaapa: this is why im learning to be proficient with both [06:27] dvorak is great for english typing, etc [06:27] i type about 50% on one, 50% on the other [06:28] what does that matter when the chars we type the most are / () * {} [] , etc? [06:28] Action: slava_dp is officially a touch-typer on qwerty for a liitle more than half a year :\ [06:28] not so great for japanese [06:28] face it, we're geeks, none of those studies are for us [06:29] and i suppose the layout for dvorak is english-only, isn't it? [06:29] I *think* the studies apply for english words, yes, but I'm not sure [06:29] yes, english. [06:29] technically its US english... but you can vary it for whatever language you want [06:30] i use a UK variant [06:30] no, i mean, there is no dvorak for cyrillic, is there? lol [06:30] slava_dp: no [06:30] thought so :) [06:30] slava_dp: you can map however you want [06:30] slava_dp: its a rearrangement of the qwerty keys, not an entire new input method. [06:30] dvorak for me is more a principle than a layout [06:31] common keys on the home row with vowels and consenants split apart for alternation [06:31] much less hand travel.. no matter what your language or alphabet [06:32] asdf = aioe or something right? [06:32] Action: Zordrak runs his hand down his home row: [06:32] aoeuidhtns [06:32] i remember seeing a guide where they suggested aliasing the home row asdf and aoeu to switch the layout [06:33] so asdf sets it into dvorak, aoeu sets it to qwerty [06:33] seems reasonable [06:33] i thought it was cool. [06:33] but then theres always loadkeys :) [06:37] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Zordrak: I have 10 big fingers, my hands don't fly at all :) [06:38] Hey what's your opinion about Claw Email Client , seem light weight [06:38] souphead (n=souphead@222.127.184.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] its better than tbird but worst than mutt [06:41] worst than mutt ! [06:41] theres no MUA better than mutt [06:41] claw seem really nice , better than tbird in the sense of user interface [06:43] inspiron630 (n=Administ@c-69-140-226-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [06:45] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:48] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [06:50] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [06:59] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-179-111.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:00] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:01] sopas (n=souphead@120.28.188.96) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:03] too bad you can't switch on your home pc from work :( [07:04] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:05] slava_dp, who said you cannot ;) [07:05] Foke (n=root@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:05] The-Croupier: ! hey have you gone through the netvault ? [07:05] Hello! I am now running irssi on slackware :) [07:06] Action: sajes hands Foke a cookie. [07:07] So now i have to configure X. [07:07] woodoomagic1 (n=woodooma@93.86.165.206) joined ##slackware. [07:08] Is there any script or kindofwizard thing in slackware that goes through the steps? [07:08] The-Croupier, did you just say i can? :) [07:08] Foke: http://www.slackware.com/config/x.php [07:09] So i will need to get my laptop? [07:09] there is a wizard embedded into that url. [07:09] he is old and wise [07:09] Hmm [07:09] dtanner: Gandalf? [07:09] yes [07:10] dtanner: The gray or the wise? [07:11] Foke, links [07:11] FFoke (n=root@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:12] sajes: the gray and all wise & powerful one with the fireworks [07:12] Could you type me that address again please. [07:12] Foke: http://www.slackware.com/config/x.php [07:12] Foke (n=root@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:13] Foke (n=root@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:13] dtanner: That's the one that got owned twice in the whole series. Why would anyone want to listen to him? :p. [07:13] =0 [07:13] could you give me it ONCE more lol [07:14] FFoke: ... pgup works good. [07:14] lol [07:14] Foke: you know you can have TWO terminals right ? [07:14] Foke: http://www.slackware.com/config/x.php [07:14] Well, i forgot to quit the other irssi before i started x [07:14] ok [07:14] FFoke: are you running a root? [07:14] Yes, i know i need to change that [07:16] FFoke (n=root@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "brb" [07:16] Foke (n=root@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:17] Ehm.. I wonder if he knows about screen. [07:17] hi [07:17] dtanner: hello :) [07:17] sup tewmten =) [07:18] dtanner: im good, but injured, broke my collar bone like two weeks ago [07:18] living in the land of the liberals you! [07:18] ouch [07:18] yeah.. [07:18] that is no good [07:18] well its heraling in its right place so im positive [07:18] tewmten: Why'd you do that? [07:18] hash with your morning java sir? [07:19] sajes: it was an accident, someone put a tree in front of me when i was bicycling [07:19] dtanner: damn sure! hehe [07:19] damn them. a tree ? that is crazy [07:20] i will cut it down when i have healed [07:20] dios_mio (n=test@88.243.1.160) left irc: "leaving" [07:20] tewmten: I would've gotten off my bike and showed that tree who's boss. [07:20] confrey (n=dario@94.162.173.188) joined ##slackware. [07:20] i am waiting [07:20] hi everybody [07:20] revenge is a dish best served cold.. with a chainsaw! [07:20] hi confrey [07:20] tewmten: nah - thermite [07:21] Newsflash! sajes attacking a tree! [07:21] lol [07:21] im thinking of getting some illegal fireworks from belgium an blow that tree to smitherines [07:21] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:21] slava_dp: I did a few years back, on a quad. Going 30mph. Didn't break anything though. :p [07:21] lucky [07:21] i cant wait to get a better ADSL service [07:22] or be able to afford colo [07:22] I've aproblem, I innstalled OO3.1 from binaries, converting rpms to tgz, but i don-t start, a libuno_sal.so.3 is missing [07:22] Zordrak: get a vps? [07:22] i have one, very nice [07:22] Foke (n=root@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] tewmten: running? [07:22] im chatting from it right now :) [07:22] confrey: installed 003.1 what? [07:22] www.tagadab.com is my provider [07:22] confrey, there is a ready-made package [07:22] openoffice [07:23] tewmten: s/running/OS/ [07:23] oh [07:23] How do i check my horizontal and vertical refresh rate? I am at that step on xorgconfig atm [07:23] Zordrak: this one has ubuntu, im gonna get one with centos tho [07:23] slava_dp, where? [07:23] hackeron (n=hackeron@78.33.200.139) left irc: Connection timed out [07:23] ew and ew [07:23] Zordrak: im sure there are providers that will let you have whatever you want tho [07:23] confrey, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [07:23] tewmten: thats the main issue [07:23] or even better, colo a vmware host, that'd be sweet [07:23] tewmten: i want slack and only slack [07:23] confrey, enjoy :) [07:23] oki [07:23] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Computer has gone to sleep" [07:24] slava_dp, thanks [07:24] tbh colo is what i want... but cost is prohibitive [07:24] oh man i wouldnt mind having a PE2950 with ESXi and have it in colo and a couple of public ip adresses [07:24] hehe [07:24] tru [07:24] confrey, there is also http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [07:24] very useful repo too [07:24] I could hijack the company's as it runs slack and only I have access to it [07:24] but id always be looking over my shoulder [07:25] Zordrak: my mate has a VPS hosting company, i can check what OS he can do [07:25] i need a new vps anyway [07:25] the only real question is can he do slack 13 [07:25] How do i know my vertical sync rate? [07:25] yes = good, no = bad [07:25] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [07:25] hi guys [07:26] Zordrak: i just asked him, i let you know what he answers :) [07:26] I've another problem, xorg don-t recogniye my 'ch' keyboard. I modified this file : 10-keymap.fdi, changing 'us' in 'ch', but xorg don-t recognize it [07:26] linode/slack..great combination [07:26] tewmten: :) [07:26] confrey, did you restart hald ? [07:26] confrey: since last update it happens [07:27] Thom1, I restarted all the PC [07:27] Is there anyway to calculate my Vertical Sync rate? [07:27] Foke: find your monitor specs [07:27] I have them [07:27] I-d like to allw to xorg configuring itself atomatically, like it do in other distributions [07:27] or use "xorgsetup" instead [07:28] Byt they dont say anything about my vertical sync rate [07:28] what about keyboard map in current?? [07:29] Foke: ffs just hit the info button on your monitor [07:29] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:29] Foke: ANY reasonable monitor will tell you the corrent resolution and RR [07:29] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [07:31] I am not competent enough to see what RR is and i cant pull up google. [07:31] understand rather* [07:31] >.< [07:32] Foke: refresh Rate [07:32] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-2.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:33] init[1], so you're sb works ? [07:33] your [07:33] Thom1: it works for me , just wanted to test with others [07:33] i have uploaded it [07:34] Thom1: any plans yet :) [07:34] Well, it can tell me the resolution 1280x1024, and i suppose 60Hz is my RR? [07:36] Where would i find my vertical sync range? [07:36] Foke: Mon It Or Specs! [07:36] Action: Zordrak reminds self to try to igner red-tagged nicks [07:36] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: "testing keyboard map" [07:36] will get used to it eventually [07:37] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [07:37] I will just pick some randomly then. [07:37] Foke: what that product code of your moniter [07:38] like AL1916w [07:38] for acer [07:38] you can find it on some coiners of your moniter [07:38] Foke: you'd save yourself all this grief, if you'd just use "xorgsetup" instead. [07:38] *Conner [07:38] or "X -configure" [07:39] chopp, i am using xorgsetup atm... [07:39] I am not stupid, i am just used to windows. [07:39] This a LG Flatron 1950B [07:39] err xorgconfig [07:41] confrey: did you install the latest updates? [07:41] kuckuck (n=kuckuck@kobz-590f9b8b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [07:41] and kbd stopped working, that's it? [07:42] Whatever happened to opening up your drawer and looking at the manual? [07:42] Foke: http://www.retrevo.com/support/LG-L1950B-Monitors-manual/id/440bh351/t/2/ [07:42] hello slackers [07:42] Foke: digg the manual [07:42] i mean the link above [07:42] hi kuckuck [07:45] i want to create a slackware-based distribution with LXDE, how shall i go on with files like /boot/slack.bmp [07:46] Action: chopp decides to install wu-nickcolor.pl too [07:46] chopp: ++ [07:46] :) [07:47] Action: Zordrak adds chopp to the green list [07:48] Hahahaha, Driver cant support depth 25, screens found but none has usable configuration. [07:48] This brings back memories >_> [07:48] Foke: 25?? or 24? [07:48] 24* sorry -_- [07:49] hehe [07:49] lol [07:49] Into manual hell i go! [07:49] xorg.conf keyboard configs are being overwrited by hal configs [07:49] :( [07:49] well DUH! [07:50] Action: init[1] feels SW13 hal is gona teach something interesting [07:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:54] anyone in here going to HAR2009? :) [07:54] https://wiki.har2009.org/page/Main_Page [07:55] tewmten: address not found [07:55] lols [07:55] tewmten: if you're buying the plane ticket [07:55] your dns i bork then [07:55] Zordrak: nop :/ [07:56] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-2.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [07:57] Loaded fine for me. Not going though. [07:58] brixtoncalling (n=ben@207.176.9.24) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:02] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:03] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [08:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:45] it's only a flesh wound [08:45] :1 [08:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmz_FD-YxUo [08:45] this the video where spam is believed to be derived from [08:45] ;) [08:45] awsome [08:46] The-Croupier: hah! [08:46] s/awsome/awesome/ [08:47] anyone know anything about dcraw? [08:47] wikipedia believes thats where we got that word from ;) and we use it everywhere ;) [08:47] ie. still maintained? I can't get access to their site [08:47] Action: The-Croupier wonders where troll came from [08:47] or the SBo [08:47] Action: The-Croupier hides [08:47] Action: theblackbox too [08:47] oh wait.... I'm the troll? [08:47] Action: theblackbox stomps! [08:48] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-175-173.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:49] lol [08:49] Zordrak: hmm wu_nickcolor doesn't play well with openurl :( [08:53] Foke (n=root@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:56] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:58] how do i enable pasting with the mouse in vim? [08:58] compile vim with --with-x parameter ;) [08:59] yuck [08:59] nay.... there was some :set option [08:59] :set paste [08:59] then do your paste [08:59] then :set nopaste [08:59] Urchlay, thanks a bunch [09:00] if you have xclip installed, you can bind a macro to do all 3 at one keystroke [09:03] Urchlay, is it supposed to work over ssh? cause it apparently doesn't. [09:03] ehm, by "do your paste" I meant middle-click the mouse. That should work if X works... [09:04] i did middle-click, it said the buffer " is empty. [09:04] ah. In that case, vim is trying to be clever and integrate with the X clipboard [09:05] shall i try it in vi? [09:05] vi is too dumb [09:05] I added "set clipboard=" to my .vimrc to stop that cold [09:05] vi = elvis, no fun to use [09:06] you could also start vim with 'DISPLAY= vim' [09:06] which would stop it being able to talk to the X server [09:06] honestly when I compile vim myself it's --without-x (but haven't been doing that lately) [09:10] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:10] eh, I suppose it's possible the box you're ssh'ed into has a vim compiled without the :set paste command (vim-minimal on redhat might do that) [09:12] or nvi [09:13] Urchlay, i'm ssh'ed to slackware-current :-/ [09:14] nm, i just use echo "" >> and it's fine. [09:16] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [09:17] just thinking, if i do ssh -X will vim be able to talk to my mouse buffer on this (client) machine? 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[09:24] ubugtu [09:24] :-D [09:24] pretty much [09:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:25] Bop__ (n=ngomes@bl8-151-18.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [09:25] last time I paid attention to ubuntu it seemed to do its job OK (installed it on a girl's laptop for browsing and mail, she was a mac fangirl before that, completely non-techincal) [09:25] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.229.191) left irc: "Leaving" [09:32] manpages in current are in .gz or .xz ? [09:32] /bin/ls: cannot access /usr/man/man1/*.xz: No such file or directory [09:32] so, they're still .gz [09:32] thanks [09:35] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) got netsplit. [09:35] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) got netsplit. [09:35] mkeil (i=marcel@juniper.main.us-dialin.net) got netsplit. [09:35] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) got netsplit. 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Nothing ever gives Dilbert a reason to smile [09:44] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-175-173.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:44] sbopgkg <3 [09:44] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-215-123.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-215-123.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:47] Urchlay: qoop [09:47] lol i just mad it few hrs ago [09:47] Action: slava_dp loves sbopkg too. great innovation for slackware :) [09:48] Nick change: init[1] -> buffer [09:48] Nick change: buffer -> init[1] [09:48] snowdonkey (i=1000@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:50] slack-o (n=tanis@189.101.99.15) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Nick change: slack-o -> |Slacker| [09:51] Greetings. I used sensors-detect to monitor CPU core temperature, and its readings are 20C higher than what BIOS shows. Is there a way to 'calibrate' lm_sensors? [09:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:51] what is "qoop"? [09:52] (for a minute I read it as "poop", but that's my depraved mind being depraved again) [09:52] _juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) joined ##slackware. [09:52] tooly (n=theo@e178166134.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:53] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [09:53] <_juan> hi, does anyone know how to install qt3 in slackware 64? [09:53] it's in extra/kde3-compat [09:53] (on the DVD or on the FTP server) [09:53] Urchlay: that is dilberts head [09:54] init[1]: ahhh, OK [09:54] omg ! i think we need imagination [09:54] <_juan> thanks Urchlay [09:55] snowdonkey: there is a way to knock 20 degrees off what it reports, see the lmsensors config file, it's in /etc somewhere [09:55] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.182.36) joined ##slackware. [09:56] KernelPanic (n=zlo@77.66.214.92) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Urchlay: Ok, thank you. [09:56] Hi all [09:57] help! My kernel is panicking! [09:59] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.101.99.15) left irc: "Leaving" [09:59] Yo, peaples! Who making slackware in sources?? [09:59] ehhh. You mean Pat V.? [10:01] Are more?? [10:02] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-108-95.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:03] sorry, I don't understand your question [10:04] time to go guys, goodnight [10:05] take care, The-Croupier [10:05] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [10:05] ohh and please add some more stuff to noobfarm ;) [10:05] ;) its so lmao all the time [10:05] bb [10:06] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [10:06] Excuse me, I badly know English. I'am from Russia... [10:06] shonudo (n=user@c-76-113-6-156.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] I simply testing pidgin [10:07] shonudo (n=user@c-76-113-6-156.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [10:07] KernelPanic: it's OK, try a different way of saying it [10:07] or, talk to slava_dp, I think he's from .ru also [10:08] Urchlay, .ua actually, but still :) [10:09] It is interesting, whether it is popular in your country slackware? [10:10] it's not even popular in my office and you're talking about a country..... [10:12] zgq (n=zhouguoq@114.249.208.135) left ##slackware. [10:13] I sympathise, but at us it is the most well-known distribution kit linux. And not a demon of the reasons. [10:13] zgq (n=zhouguoq@114.249.208.135) joined ##slackware. [10:13] zgq (n=zhouguoq@114.249.208.135) left ##slackware. [10:15] gabriel (n=gabriel@200.1.19.140) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [10:17] heret|c (n=heretic@c-24-30-117-194.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:18] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [10:21] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [10:21] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:23] fedora must perform really badly, it's worse than ubuntu >< [10:24] last time i tried fedora i almost threw up (and it was F10) [10:24] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:25] it's very interesting that both fedora and ubuntu emphasize jet startup times, while usability sucks big time :-/ [10:25] _juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) left irc: "Leaving" [10:25] or rather, bugability [10:26] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [10:26] I quickly go through phoronix' benchmarks and I'd really like to see ubuntu benchmarked against slackware but I won't do it myself as that would imply installing ubuntu >< [10:27] slava_dp: only on an OS that needs frequent reboots could startup time really matter [10:27] i heard that arch is the snappiest of them all. did not use it myself though. [10:27] (and on a laptop, but all of them support hibernate/resume now, so you still don't actually boot much) [10:27] Urchlay, that's right. absolutely. [10:28] yeah. the uptime of my lappy usually nears a month :) [10:29] just no need to reboot or halt. pm-hibernate does it all. [10:29] I halt pretty often, my uptime doesn't exceed a few days [10:30] only thing I hate is when an OS decides "oh, user closed the lid, I must go to sleep now" [10:30] Urchlay, yeah [10:30] (yes I know you can change that setting, I just wish it wasn't on by default) [10:30] i did that to mine a while ago. got pissed off with it in less than two days though. [10:30] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.52.211) joined ##slackware. [10:30] and vista, or some version of windows : the user told me to shut down and closed the lid, so I'll start to shutdown, and suspend to ram at the same time [10:30] got pissed off with it sleeping, or not sleeping? [10:31] and since suspend to ram is faster, I'll suspend to ram the computer stopping >< [10:31] with sleeping. [10:31] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [10:31] Camarade_Tux, hahaha [10:31] yah. My laptop's the only thing hooked up right now that runs 12.2, so I do a lot of "ssh in and make sure $whatever works" with it [10:31] no need for the lid to be open though [10:33] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Urchlay, no, like, it's good when it saves energy etc. but i often close it accidentally. and it falls asleep :/ [10:35] dusty_ (n=dusty@www.linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: "leaving" [10:37] slava_dp: well, this laptop doesn't even have a battery any more, it stays on AC power all the time [10:37] a slim server? :) [10:38] yeppers [10:38] slava_dp: yeah, tried F10 awhile ago in a VM. completely unusable, KDE 4.x crashed all the time. what a POS. [10:38] if only I had the battery, it could be a slim server with a built-in UPS [10:39] actually the backlight is about to die, so it'll become a permanent headless server :( [10:39] _juan (n=juan@200.84.101.113) joined ##slackware. [10:39] too bad [10:40] <_juan> are the packages in slackbuilds only for 32bit or can they be built for 64bit? [10:40] well, I've got plenty of use out of it over the years [10:40] _juan, both [10:40] well guys, gotta go, laterz =) [10:40] _juan, depends, all can't [10:40] Camarade_Tux, best of luck [10:41] <_juan> how do i know which can before i try? [10:41] well, it's quite easy to check : open it and see if there is an x86_64 entry for $ARCH [10:41] _juan: they are in the process of being updated for 64-bit. Some are 32-bit only, some will compile on 64-bit but need to be updated to put libraries in /usr/lib64, and some have already had that done [10:41] Camarade_Tux: fail! [10:41] and check if it obbeys libprefix [10:41] Urchlay, what ? [10:41] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] Camarade_Tux: many, many of those scripts have the boilerplate code for x86_64 but were never once tested on 64-bit (the author just put that there because it's in the template) [10:42] Urchlay, yeah, many, but not all [10:42] many [10:42] snowdonkey (i=1000@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:42] I've already ported some slackbuilds for slamd64 l;) [10:42] not as many now that slackware64 exists though [10:42] yeah, you and me know how to do that, it's easy... but I'm guessing _juan doesn't know how yet. [10:43] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:43] better check ;) [10:43] necropre1to (n=necropre@189-69-51-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[10:57] zgq (n=zhouguoq@114.249.208.135) left ##slackware. [11:00] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:00] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [11:01] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: Client Quit [11:02] <_juan> i need speex for 64 bit, how do i port it from 32 to 64? [11:03] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [11:03] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-130-74.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:04] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-136-41.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:06] LFjob (n=comingun@unaffiliated/lfjob) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Hello. [11:06] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:12] LFjob, hi [11:13] How are you? [11:13] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.101.99.15) joined ##slackware. [11:13] good, you? [11:13] hello happy slackers [11:13] Coughing my head off trying to figure out a few things. [11:15] weeee :) Just ordered pc components for approx 3500 :) [11:15] What the hell did you order? [11:17] Must be packed with the best of the best. :( [11:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:17] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) joined ##slackware. [11:18] yay the best of the best for ... gaming on Linux? 8-P [11:18] That works. [11:18] I game on Slackware. [11:19] heh [11:19] I could never game on Slackware again.. [11:20] ditto [11:20] Why not? [11:20] Because I play in tournaments.. [11:20] O. [11:20] I'm not going to risk the anti-cheat software to wine [11:20] I see. [11:20] It's just easier to game in Windows..better performance too [11:21] an htpc in parts, an 37" lcd-tv, a 24" lcd, a file-server in parts and a lot of parts for upgrading and repairing pc's :) [11:21] Not for me. With OpenGL I get more fps than ever than with DirectX. [11:21] Do you have a TV tuner? [11:22] Not all games are OpenGL [11:22] Infact, I'd say more games are DX than OpenGL [11:22] I have a tuner-card and a card reader, so that I can set it up as a tv-tuner [11:22] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [11:23] That's because most of the market share belong to Microsoft. [11:23] :( [11:23] Plee, very very nice! That PC will last you many years of fun. [11:23] This PC I have is treating me very very well so I'm ok with that. [11:23] yeah :) [11:23] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] I may purchase a new sound card and TV tuner. Would be my first TV tuner too. [11:25] kuckuck (n=kuckuck@kobz-590f9b8b.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [11:25] I'm really looking forward to get it up and running with linux :) [11:25] woodoomagic1 (n=woodooma@93.86.165.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] Hehe. I'm jealous! [11:27] It would be even cooler if it was running on slackware :) [11:27] It could easily. [11:27] There are very little I can't do with Slackware. [11:27] Action: hiptobecubic botched his kernel upgrade :D [11:27] bbl [11:27] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:28] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@93.86.46.107) joined ##slackware. [11:29] yeah, a little work, but that's ok :) I just need to figure out, what to use.. xbmc or mythtv.. or something else.. not sure yet [11:30] Can someone explain to me the significance of the -smp tag on a kernel build? I know it has to do with multithreading or something to that effect. Is it an option specified in the config or is it detected or what? [11:30] it is an option in the config [11:30] Seems to me it's detected hiptobecubic. [11:30] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) joined ##slackware. [11:30] both smp as multiple cpu's, cores and hyper-threading is options in the config [11:31] -both [11:31] Guys, has anyone had trouble installing a usb mouse onto 12.2? [11:31] jplcrd, no [11:32] LnxSlck: Out of the box? Or did you install drivers? [11:32] jplcrd, out of the box [11:32] zgq (n=zhouguoq@114.249.208.135) joined ##slackware. [11:32] jplcrd, i didn't have to config anything [11:32] LnxSlck: Strange, I have a logitech G5 and I can't properly use the scroll wheel or the side buttons... [11:33] Hm.. there is only one thing that doesn't work for me on a G5 but everything else work. [11:33] jplcrd, scroll whell should be pretty easy [11:34] zgq (n=zhouguoq@114.249.208.135) left ##slackware. [11:34] LnxSlck: If it helps, I'm using xfce... [11:34] LnxSlck: Haven't gotten it to work properly, only while in a browser. [11:34] jplcrd, witch protocol are you using ? [11:34] imps/2 ? [11:35] I believe I just set the protocol to auto. [11:35] jplcrd, try imps/2 [11:35] Hermann (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] it works for me [11:36] LnxSlck: How would I go about changing that? [11:36] jplcrd, edit xorg.conf [11:36] in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [11:36] LnxSlck: Thank you! [11:36] _juan (n=juan@200.84.101.113) left irc: "Leaving" [11:36] np [11:36] see if it works [11:37] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:39] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:40] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A77068.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] greetings [11:40] zgq (n=zhouguoq@114.249.208.135) joined ##slackware. [11:41] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] hi [11:42] Hello slackytude. [11:42] LnxSlck: Done, and working. Thanks a bunch. [11:42] y0 Plee, LFjob [11:42] jplcrd, no problem [11:42] lio_013 (n=ahmed@217.52.110.235) joined ##slackware. [11:43] hello [11:43] i ahve a question [11:43] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-191-231.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:43] o'rly? [11:44] :) [11:44] thank you for declaring you have a question. you may proceed with asking [11:45] nah, his question quota is used up [11:45] insert $0.25 for another question [11:45] lol [11:45] ok [11:45] i just wanna know if any body listening [11:45] how can i install tlz package? [11:45] someone is _always_ listening. even when you're not here. [11:45] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [11:46] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:47] if you are asking a question and nobody listens, did you really ask it? [11:47] tooly (n=theo@e178166134.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [11:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [11:48] now im waiting an answer [11:48] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.101.99.15) left irc: "Leaving" [11:48] lio_013: tlz? [11:49] yes [11:49] where did you find a tlz package ? [11:49] i get it from zenwalk web site [11:49] why would you want a zenwalk package ? [11:49] lio_013 (n=ahmed@217.52.110.235) left ##slackware. [11:49] aaw :< [11:50] well, issue solved [11:50] Action: LFjob gives lio_013 a candy. [11:50] grazymax (n=grazymax@host204-154-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:51] Ah well. [11:51] Action: LFjob eats the candy. 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[11:59] y0 Camarade_Tux [11:59] <_juan> i just ran into a problem, i tried to change the theme from oxygen to cleanlooks and now my session won't start, where is the config file in order to edit it? [11:59] should I uninstall the 2.6.29-smp kernel ? [12:00] y0y0 slackytude :) [12:00] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] ali0t4, is it the one you are using? or are there another kernel installed that you use? [12:00] Camarade_Tux, all fine with yer? [12:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:01] slackytude, yeah, you ? [12:02] Camarade_Tux, yeah, except the fact that I should be learning and dont want to [12:02] Plee: yes, I'm using the kernel 2.6.29-smp [12:02] slackytude, haha :P [12:02] but I have only the Celeron(R) M CPU [12:03] ali0t4, you worried about the SMP part? [12:03] I have the 2.6.29-normal kernel installed. [12:03] Camarade_Tux, no fun :( [12:03] grazymax (n=grazymax@host93-156-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:03] slackytude: I don't know the smp-kernel. [12:04] ali0t4, well, you dont have to uninstall it [12:04] slackytude: :) thanks . [12:04] zgq (n=zhouguoq@114.249.208.135) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:04] slackytude, sorry :D [12:07] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:07] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [12:08] LFjob (n=comingun@unaffiliated/lfjob) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [12:08] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.45.192) joined ##slackware. [12:09] LFjob (n=siyavi@unaffiliated/lfjob) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Ok. [12:11] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. 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[12:23] howdy all [12:23] hey hiptobecubic [12:23] Hey Camarade_Tux, going great, thank you. yourself? [12:23] Hey hiptobecubic, how are you? [12:24] not too shabby. I updated -current.... breaking everything i had :D [12:24] nice [12:24] wow, good work. :) [12:24] ;) [12:24] so then i figured eh, I might as well figure out all of those things i've been meaning to do [12:24] Honest question. After installing Slackware, does anyone actually bother updating most of the packages? [12:24] I upgraded to -current from 12.2 last night. KDE4 is amazing. I love it. :D [12:24] LFjob, well, yeah [12:24] LFjob, absolutely [12:24] I feel like, when I do updates, it suddenly turns my Slackware into Gentoo. [12:25] LFjob: that depends ! [12:25] I have 0 problems when I update [12:25] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:25] I'm not sure... it just feels like Gentoo. How do you guys update anyway? [12:26] <|Slacker|> I use slackpkg [12:26] firebird619, I have kubuntu in a vbox. I could do without kde. Perhaps because i started on gnome. I just didn't like the interface. I don't like to use the mouse much. [12:26] LFjob: if sticking to 12.2 you don't have to update many packages, only secufixes [12:26] gentoo is source based. in what way does slackware feel like gentoo??? [12:26] slackpkg [12:26] LFjob, slackpkg usually [12:26] I'm still using 12.1 haha. [12:26] I'll wait for 13. [12:26] on some machines I rsync the patches dir, tho [12:27] slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all [12:27] LFjob: if you want to stick to -current yeah this represents much more work [12:27] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: "Leaving" [12:28] Hm... [12:28] Where does it stick all the packages? In /tmp? [12:29] like today, for example. When i caught up to -current and had to reinstall my video drivers, which required recompiling the kernel because glibc had been updated (i'm not using slackware-generic) [12:29] LFjob thinking of building or just installing? [12:29] <|Slacker|> i think it's in /var/slackpkg/packages [12:29] But it's a good thing, because before today i didn't understand how those were related [12:29] grazymax (n=grazymax@host53-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Updating all the packages on my system. [12:31] Sigh. So lazy on doing that. [12:31] It works, why bother? :) [12:31] slackbuild packages end up in /tmp [12:31] only if you dont change your config [12:31] Ya. [12:32] which you should, imho [12:32] err wait, I was thinking sbopkg [12:32] firebird619, fine and you? [12:32] grazymax (n=grazymax@host53-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:33] LnxSlck: doing great, thanks. :) [12:33] :) [12:33] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] i see i will have a lot of work when updating my pc's [12:33] lol [12:33] I will just do a reinstall [12:33] Action: slackytude is lazy [12:34] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:35] Is there a daily Slackware? [12:35] huh? [12:35] daily slackware? [12:35] what do you mean?! [12:35] kjalil (n=kjalil@kerneljack.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] current version? [12:35] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.101.99.15) left irc: "Leaving" [12:35] Haha, um.. [12:36] kjalil (n=kjalil@kerneljack.com) left ##slackware. [12:36] Daily version, some distro doe sthat. [12:36] :-) [12:36] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [12:36] well, -current sees almost daily changes [12:36] Like that. [12:36] there's a -current version. packages are added there daily [12:36] Wow is there a changelog for that? [12:36] skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:36] should be [12:36] of course [12:37] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [12:37] I should be ashamed of myself. [12:37] This is amazing. [12:37] ? [12:38] I'm a Slackware fan, been using it for a while and never bothered with this part of Slackware. [12:38] well, its not compulsory [12:38] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.101.99.15) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Hehe, indeed. [12:41] I have the perfect system for me. [12:42] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [12:42] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:43] Camarade_Tux__ (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] at least keeping up with patches should be considered necessity though [12:43] yeah [12:44] unless you like getting owned [12:46] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@125.33.141.7) left irc: "leaving" [12:47] woo [12:47] I got this facebook connect junk working finally [12:49] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [12:50] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] But the chance of getting hacked seems to be rare for most knowledgeable users though. [12:52] it seems much less likely someone would get hacked on slackware than on windows [12:52] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] granted, lack of diligence in that area makes it much more likely in the first place [12:53] KernelPanic (n=zlo@77.66.214.92) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] :) Ditto TwinReverb. [13:02] y0 TwinReverb [13:03] just download the stable 12.2 changelof and grep for CVE [13:04] CVE? [13:04] not all are going to be exploitable in a practical sense but that's the list [13:05] anything in the 12.2 changelog should be updated [13:06] about 95% of them will be security related, with a couple for bug-fixes [13:07] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:08] Speaking of patches, anybody here actually buy a firewall? [13:08] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [13:08] I mean one of these baby: http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=529&name=Firewalls [13:08] LFjob: Why buy a firewall? [13:08] One for the house. [13:09] I have a fisher price linky dinky retail router but it runs linux [13:09] but that's only for home [13:09] For those too lazy to setup an iptables for each PC. [13:09] One firewall, stick all the plug through that. [13:09] Meh I don't consider router a firewall. [13:10] You could use linux or BSD..or anything on a box and have it do nat + firewall [13:10] The thing is, all of my old pc are too old to be a firewall. Despite what people think, not enough available resource to handle all of the traffic. [13:11] Uhm.. [13:11] how old? [13:11] Depends, I have a range. [13:11] slackytude, yo 8-) [13:11] From P1 to P4. [13:11] ^-^ [13:11] ok..all of those would be fine unless you were doing deep packet inspection [13:11] But even with P4, I doubt it can handle large traffic available today. [13:11] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-177-6.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Well that's why you buy a firewall, to do stuff like that. :D [13:11] uhm..you doubt wrong [13:11] yeah [13:11] wtf? [13:11] You should see how much data I can push through a Geode with 64 megs of memory [13:12] So why do people buy firewall then? [13:12] you don't consider a router a firewall? do you consider a firewall a router? [13:12] Because most people don't know HOW to configure one [13:12] antiwire, are we playing semantics here? [13:12] Or they want a certain feature set..or prefer vendor support [13:12] do you really need to buy a firewall? [13:13] If you have a tinfoil hat on, sure why not. It's not expensive. [13:13] it's not symantics. a router routes traffic. NAT is classified as a "firewall" but i don't because to me it's simply how that router does its job [13:13] but anyways, no, a router is not a firewall [13:14] two different roles / jobs [13:14] A router merely forward packets, sometime it doesn't do that very well. A firewall is a set of rules that filters packets. [13:16] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Connection timed out [13:16] a router can be compared to a place in water plumbing where one source of water is sent more than one direction [13:16] Not that concrete. :) [13:16] a firewall can be compared to the brita filter at your faucet [13:16] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] Oh never mind, I see now. That's what I meant. [13:17] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.182.36) left irc: "Saindo" [13:18] frk (n=frk@189.58.217.118) joined ##slackware. [13:18] The good thing it seems about purchasing the firewall is that they work on all layers. [13:18] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] darkcmd (i=kdx-user@adsl-69-209-126-106.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] wow. [13:19] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:19] ugh. woke up from dreams about sql [13:20] Rofl. [13:20] Nothing bad about that. [13:20] ouch [13:20] antiwire, iptables only work on application layer. [13:20] they work on all layers except layer 8 [13:20] nooper: haha [13:20] wtf [13:20] LFjob: yeah, you're clearly talking from a position of knowledge [13:20] layer 8 problems are the worst [13:20] The "wtf", "wow", etc really aren't helping the discussion. [13:20] thats because there is no discussion [13:21] http://www.webstepbook.com/supplements/slides/images/osi_model.png [13:21] LFjob, and neither is telling people what they cannot say [13:21] TwinReverb, spamming? [13:21] this is hilarious [13:21] LFjob: you think iptables operates on the application level? [13:21] The "wtf", "wow", etc really aren't helping the discussion. [13:22] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-148-217.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Yea, I'm asking him to say something, not just those things. [13:22] Nick change: darkcmd -> zGhost [13:22] then answer my question [13:22] You can say "wow, that's not true" and I would understand. [13:22] LFjob: you think iptables operates on the application level? [13:22] antiwire, yes. I consider kernel / user space level to be application level. [13:22] iptables does not act at the application level [13:22] well, who is going to do the noobfarm [13:22] kernel is not application level [13:22] see, i'm done with one [13:22] So what layer does it act on? [13:22] iptables exists (iirc) at the routing level, in the kernel [13:22] LFjob: you're confused. [13:23] which is why (iirc) root is required to change the rules of it [13:23] LFjob: iptables is operating at layer 3 for the most part, the network layer [13:23] yep [13:23] zGhost (i=kdx-user@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: Client Quit [13:23] there are other tools like ebtables that operate on layer 2 [13:23] Does it? It filters packets? [13:23] yes, thats the point [13:24] ... [13:24] I thought it filtered applications. :| [13:24] Haha. [13:24] uhh, how? [13:24] Like, "prevent firefox from running, any port with firefox stuff dropped". [13:24] KernelPanic (n=zlo@77.66.214.92) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Sort of like Zonealarm. [13:24] this is why i said "wow"... [13:24] That's why I wanted to buy a firewall, it filters almost all layers except physical. [13:25] LFjob, congratulations, windows has brainwashed you :P [13:25] i blame microsoft for that btw [13:25] LFjob, please stop talking, you are hurting me brainz [13:25] No. [13:25] LFjob: seriously, you're talking out of your ass. [13:25] I'll see what other misconceptions I have. [13:25] but (correct me if i'm wrong) zone alarm is only saying "hey i see this executable and due to our database of how these applications ought to act, here are the rules that go with it", right? [13:25] That's the idea. [13:25] i.e. it was voluntarily tying rules to applications / executables [13:25] well, I shall do a noobfarm [13:26] slackytude: please do ;) [13:26] slackytude, I honestly don't think anyone will find what I believe to be funny but ok. [13:26] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:26] oh they will...yes... they will [13:26] however, i used to use norton personal firewall, and it had application mode, but it also had a more simple mode where you simply told it what traffic (regardless of application) was allowed or not [13:26] Because 90% of population have never even heard of iptables. [13:26] hahaha [13:26] noobfarm isnt aimed at 90% of the population [13:26] don't confuse the interface of zone alarm with filtering for applications, per se [13:26] and that other 10% is the target audience of noobfarm [13:26] TwinReverb, that was the thing. [13:26] slackytude, so its' a circle jerk? :) [13:27] LFjob, joke fail [13:27] TwinReverb, no, if it's a very small group of ppl, it's a circle jerk. [13:27] Sort of like being hazed in college when joining a group. [13:27] Some group in college require that you jerk other guys off. [13:27] LFjob, double joke fail [13:27] It's not a joke dude. [13:28] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:28] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [13:28] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-16-78.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Quote submitted for approval [13:29] KernelPanic (n=zlo@77.66.214.92) left ##slackware. [13:29] I did a bit of editing [13:32] Well I'm glad you guys are having fun. :) [13:32] LFjob: Also, just to clarify, what you are calling a firewall is just a specialized embedded board and they are usually running VxWorks or a specialized Linux distribution, sometimes a modified BSD. [13:32] hang around here long enough and you end up on noobfarm. its a law [13:32] it's not some voodoo magic [13:34] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429505.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:34] and the stuff zonealarm does is known as Mandatory Access Control or Role bassed Access control [13:34] not that it is pretty good at it [13:34] All of these linksys/dlink/netgear/buffalo/EnGenius/etc routers are really just embedded systems using a flash chip to hold the OS and then loading it into ram when you power them on. In fact, many of them actually use iptables [13:35] antiwire, I never said it was voodoo magic. [13:35] Fair enough. [13:35] I still consider it mostly misunderstanding due to being around different people that use interchangeable terms. [13:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [13:36] LFjob, or your own lack of understanding [13:36] while that is true, it still shows a lack of heh, what TwinReverb said [13:36] Possible but when someone say router and firewall are the same thing, I doubt that. [13:36] It's not like I don't understand the OSI layers, it's networking basics. [13:36] well you can watch where you get your information from [13:37] But I don't write iptables often enough and haven't read the man indepth. [13:37] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] not trying to be rude, just trying to help you because i think a lot like you [13:37] LFjob: in the context that you setup by posting a link to a bunch of retail router/firewalls...yes...they are the same thing. [13:37] It just seems like it works on application level like Zonealarm. [13:37] if you say that iptables works on application layer, you clearly dont understand OSI or networking [13:37] newegg has an entire section dedicated to router then another to firewall. [13:37] All the devices in that link you posted are routers that do firewalling/filtering. [13:38] slackytude, iptables is OS specific, it's an application/builtin with kernel. They don't teach about iptables in CCNA or network+. [13:38] Fair enough antiwire. [13:38] LFjob, marketing != reality 8-) [13:38] Perception is reality.. [13:38] they're just trying to advertise that their product is better than other products so that they can sell their products [13:38] no, perception is not reality [13:38] it's perception [13:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:39] your perception could be totally off from what reality is [13:39] not saying it is, just saying it could be [13:39] LFjob, do you facebook? [13:39] Yes. [13:39] It's deactivated now though. [13:39] LFjob: you are really confused about these layers. the iptables binary sits in userspace and uses kernel modules to manipulate the traffic flow on the syste, but iptables it operating on the 3rd layer. [13:39] Why? [13:41] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.86.44) joined ##slackware. [13:41] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:42] LFjob, do you facebook? <--- Why do you ask? [13:42] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:45] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [13:46] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:46] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:48] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:48] LFjob, MyType [13:48] personality test [13:48] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left ##slackware. [13:48] Do I have to reactive to take it:/ [13:48] Do I have to reactivate to take it? [13:49] There is a word for it, I forget what. But it basically that we always hear what we want to hear. [13:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429505.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:49] "You are strong, you are smart, etc". We always find that to be accurate even if they aren't. [13:49] not in this case [13:50] How is this different from any other personality test? [13:50] Nick change: Camarade_Tux__ -> Camarade_Tux [13:51] "Isabel Briggs Myers", oh. I forget but I got IJTN or something like that, I can't remember. [13:51] According to that, I'm the top 1% of the world, I'm a leader, always willing to take risks, etc. [13:51] Either E or I. [13:51] why does this not surprise me? [13:52] Action: init[1] Feels LFjob is quite interesting ! [13:52] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.28.187.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] antiwire, if you mean that isn't true, don't ask me. I am merely telling you what result I remember. [13:53] If it's the personality test that is famous and from Briggs Meyer, I took it when I wanted to join the military. [13:54] Quite frankly, it doesn't matter if it's true or not, heh. I'm still going to keep doing what I do. :p [13:55] http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes1.htm This is one of the test I took. [13:57] INTJ [13:57] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:58] but are you sure you're an INTJ? sometimes people only think they are [13:58] No, I don't remember. I do know it was something along those line, I'd have to check for you. [13:58] Actually I'll check now, brb. [13:59] ENTJ. [13:59] That's what I got. [14:00] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.86.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:00] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.28.187.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "hmmm bllx" [14:00] There we go, "natural born leader". [14:00] "ENTJs are very career-focused, and fit into the corporate world quite naturally.", maybe I might be a pointy haired boss where you are all bitter employees. And make quote sites about me. [14:00] :p [14:01] suppose I did the test, how to intrepret the result? [14:01] the point of those is to figure out what you are naturally, so that you can move towards balance, not "well i'm just this way" [14:01] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:01] you interpret the result based on your life history. does it line up or not? [14:01] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.101.99.15) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] yeah, but I mean, where did LFjob this ENTJS stuff [14:02] *get [14:02] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.28.187.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] the internet [14:02] actually, I think Im an INFJ [14:03] heh, Im a Counselor [14:03] the MyType on Facebook seems to be the best (imo) [14:03] slackytude, I got ENTJ from my past result. [14:03] I can't find my ASVAB practice result. Lame. [14:03] Because I make a lot of mistakes as a result of my risk, so I'm callous. [14:03] i think i got like a 96 on the ASVAB [14:03] If that's the right word. [14:04] I had this dream of becoming an officer. [14:04] And I am very critical of people not having team oriented or goal oriented. [14:04] I guess it somewhat does, the thing is, the test doesnt' assume people change. [14:04] Are you by chance, Arnold Rimmer? [14:04] Dunno who he is, haha. [14:05] Personally? I think I'm ENTJ, I've never had anyone tell me any different. What did you get TwinReverb? [14:06] ENTP [14:06] Whats that? [14:06] but my T/F and P/J are very balanced so i can end up coming across in strange ways [14:06] "Dislike routine, detail-oriented tasks " Hey, ENTJ don't like details and tasks that require details. Now I have an excuse for why I don't know iptables. [14:07] no, the meyers-briggs is not an excuse for not knowing something [14:07] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] Haha, it is now. [14:07] :) [14:07] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] but it can explain why you assumed you did 8-) [14:07] INTP anyone ? [14:07] But not knowing something, for me, is ok, because people will correct me. [14:07] I love criticism. They tell you where you are not ok at and you just work toward that. [14:08] People laughing at me? Shoot, I do presentations and get laughs. I could stutter then suddenly everything becomes funny. [14:08] I could be doing a lab, when nobody in the group doesn't know what to do, I could take lead from there. [14:08] The only thing that doesn't match up is the natural part, I don't usually lead unless I see the need to. [14:09] ENTP, the Visionary [14:09] TwinReverb, heh, that fits, imho [14:09] TwinReverb, it might be that we are both extrovert in the sense we like military. We can work with people and we aren't afraid to confront people, etc. [14:09] Right? Is that a good way of putting it? Have I been saying it right? [14:10] slackytude, who is Arnold Rimmer? [14:10] DeeeeP, the Thinker [14:10] anyone can do a good job in the military. you are forced to adapt to it. our current commander is an introvert which sounds almost impossible [14:10] That's possible. [14:10] Introvert tend to make better leaders than extrovert. [14:10] not always [14:10] there are natural leadership tendencies but leadership is something that can be taught and learned from experience as well [14:10] Well, you have the need to inspire and motivate people but introvert tend to make great tacticians and strategists. [14:11] Which branch are you in btw? [14:11] USAF [14:11] You're really lucky, I wish I was in the military. [14:11] TwinReverb, not disagreeing with that, they have leadership and officer school for that. [14:11] LFjob, someone who dreams of being an officer and dislikes people who arent team/goal oriented [14:11] Wait I dislike people? [14:12] Oh I misread that sorry slackytude. [14:12] slackytude, ok cool, sounds like a funny guy. :) [14:12] I doubt leadershipt can be taught, it surely can be learned, tho [14:12] Uh, doesn't that statement contradict? [14:12] no, why should it? [14:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer [14:13] Ooh, a fictional character. [14:13] because there are many ways to learn [14:13] Yeah you can make any fictional characters to be anything you want. [14:13] TwinReverb, well, ok you can always create an environment that simulate that type of learning. [14:13] maybe [14:14] Maybe? :p To make you not afraid of guns or bullets or loud sounds, they simulate that in the military with live fire. [14:14] And you crawl around the field while hearing bullets, guns, and loud sounds. [14:14] Eventually you learn to not be afraid of it and then it becomes second nature. [14:14] are you suggesting thats the same than actual enemy fire? [14:14] As for military, I'm not sure, the washout rate for Marines is like 30%. Not everyone can make the cut. [14:14] s/than/as [14:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [14:15] slackytude, no because actual enemy fire can kill you, but someone who isn't afraid of bullets or loud sound can more likely survive than someone who is panicking [14:15] . [14:16] yeah, but you can still be panicking when you are shoot at. I doubt you can simulate that [14:16] u can freak out with the possibility of being killed , althought u can take gun shots sounds quite nice [14:17] For first time folks, they'll panick at the sound of the bullet. [14:17] I've seen it, it happened to me. [14:17] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [14:17] DeeeeP, yeah [14:17] Now I can detect where the bullet is most likely coming from. [14:17] yeah , its quite a loud sound [14:17] Yep, I won't panick. [14:17] i've fired a few rounds [14:17] I might nto survive but at least I won't run around screaming like an idiot "THE MOON IS LANDING". [14:18] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:18] "ENTJs are decisive. They see what needs to be done, and frequently assign roles to their fellows." Ok this really describes me, I just noticed this. I have to see what needs to be done first. If there is a system in place, then ok. I cbf. [14:19] Anyway let's talk about iptables more. [14:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] LFjob, do you still think ping is evil? [14:21] TwinReverb, haha, when did I say anything about ping? [14:21] I don't even drop ping on my iptables.. [14:21] you said let's talk about iptables some more, so i wanted to ask you a question to understand where you're coming from [14:22] O. [14:22] do you filter ping? [14:22] I don't even drop ping on my iptables.. [14:22] I don't remember. Let me check. [14:22] huh? you just said you dont [14:22] I don't think filtering is the same as dropping. [14:23] a filter rule could be iptables -A INPUT -i icmp --icmp-type 8 (or whatever) ! -f -m limit --limit 1/s -j ACCEPT [14:23] that's an "accept", not "drop" rule, but it puts conditions on the ping, hence it's really a "filtering" rule [14:23] So speaking of which, don't use the word stealth? :p [14:23] in that rule, if it is fragmented or more than one per second, it's dropped [14:24] stealth is merely -j DROP (i.e. do nothing) rather than -j REJECT (send "no thanks" packet, depending on what is appropriate) [14:24] No it seems I only drop based on malformed broadcast packets. [14:24] dchmelik (i=1000@dynamic-66-243-234-92.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] i would highly recommend filtering ping [14:24] Oh so there's drop, filter, and reject? [14:24] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] I only knew of drop and reject. [14:24] also, consider filtering by size too (forgot how to do that but it makes sense that the packet size shouldn't exceed a certain size [14:24] there's no filter [14:25] mainly to prevent old-school "ping of death" [14:25] if someone is sending you either fragmented ICMP or rather large ICMP, or is sending a lot of ICMP, it's probably an attack imho [14:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Ping of death, you can use sooomething in ipv4 like echo "1" > /stuffhereicantremember/tcp_syncookies? [14:25] iirc they now have a "port scan" detect packet too [14:25] er rule [14:26] syn cookies deals with TCP [14:27] I know but I mean somewhere in that folder, I can't remember which one unfortunately. :| [14:28] Isnt' ping of death a type of dos? 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[14:32] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@93.86.46.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] honestly a very simple way to set up iptables would be to accept all states other than new incoming, and everything outgoing. [14:32] uh 255.255.255.255 is broadcast (iirc), i think some windows-based garbage, i mean services, use broadcast [14:32] lol [14:32] like netbios over tcp/ip [14:33] also, whatever you are but with 255 on the end is also broadcast iirc [14:33] Ok w hat about 0.0.0.0? [14:33] now it's easier just to specify you don't want broadcast type packets, but that would result in some weirdness [14:33] Or 224.0.0.0/8? [14:34] 224.* is broadcast, specifically mutlicast. i usually shut that off [14:34] Where would be the broadcast (255.255.255.255) be coming from? [14:34] Yea I have it on drop too. [14:34] the internet? [14:34] netbios on local LAN ? [14:34] Haha, so I dropped it. [14:34] Nah I don't have netBIOS setup. [14:34] i just allow states "established" and "related" coming in [14:35] it seems to work best for me [14:35] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/rc.firewall [14:35] you can play with that if you want, but i no longer maintain it [14:35] Why don't you use that? [14:36] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@93.86.223.114) joined ##slackware. [14:36] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:36] usually i do, i just set it to "simple" mode [14:36] Or just set everything to DROP. [14:36] And.. only accept what you know to be good. [14:36] :| Can't get anymore simple than that. [14:37] Or just buy a firewall that has it all setup for you. Anytime you plug in, voila. :| [14:37] i guess it depends on how much your time is worth to you [14:38] Hmm.... well I spend more of my time programming so. :D [14:38] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) joined ##slackware. [14:38] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) left irc: Client Quit [14:38] I'd love to get into making kernels or building iptables scripts. [14:38] I spend most of my time de-programming my brain from western soceity proaganda, [14:39] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Psh, see you commie! [14:39] =0 [14:39] lol [14:40] Ok, what else.. [14:40] what commie? no one is accusing me, are they? [14:40] What else should I know about Slackware that I don't know? [14:40] aliens use it [14:40] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:41] dchmelik, are you or hve you ever been a member of a communist organisation [14:41] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [14:41] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] no, though some people call the FSF commie and I am a member [14:41] Aliens use it? Old news, what else? [14:42] you get more Slack if you use it [14:42] I'm already a member of the Slack church. Next? [14:43] Fedora and Ubuntu do not give the user enough slack [14:43] Ew to Ubuntu, next. [14:43] use slackware and you're a member of the "slack church" [14:43] just stay away from church of the subgenius [14:43] Hail BOB [14:43] What?! [14:43] I'm a member, how dare you TwinReverb? [14:43] that would make me a grand master magnificat [14:44] praise "Bob" [14:44] and i would back-hand you with my slack hand [14:44] Too lazy. [14:44] hi dtanner, TwinReverb [14:44] :) [14:44] sup tewmten [14:44] 8-) [14:44] chillin' [14:44] tewmten, dtanner we really need to add each other on facebook [14:44] yes [14:44] there's a huge slackware group on there, don't know if you are aware ... [14:44] I knew that, next. [14:44] hm no [14:44] i don't have an account. wasn't aware of that. [14:44] No, gimme ins and outs. [14:45] i didnt know [14:45] LFjob, [14:45] LFjob, read on the internet [14:45] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Like, what the difference is between Slack's iptables and other distro's iptables. [14:45] telinit 1 [14:45] nothing [14:45] dtanner, quick-draw 8-P [14:46] also if you use Slackware now you have slackpkg and probably sbopkg [14:46] :'( [14:46] sbopkg will have to be ported to 64-bit [14:46] it just has extra packages [14:46] TwinReverb: what is your facebook? [14:46] TwinReverb: me -> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=609247494&ref=profile [14:47] fart dropper [14:47] gabriel (n=gabriel@200.1.19.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:47] dtanner, its "Bob" [14:48] I think BOB means 'bundles of bhaga' [14:49] which is also called bhang [14:49] fred, you need to accept my request 8-P [14:50] slackytude: may i pm you [14:50] init[1], yesah [14:50] Damn, it's interesting how this channel doesn't get a lot of people asking questions,. [14:50] I am yesah [14:51] hmmmmm [14:51] slackpkg update && slackpkg install-new && slackpkg upgrade-all && slackpkg clean-system [14:51] Anything wrong with that? [14:51] LFjob, because people tend to ask Google first [14:51] that sounds more like what you have to do on BSD [14:52] clean-system will remove all non-offical packages [14:52] brb [14:53] tooly (n=tooly@f053077117.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:53] You're right, clean-system is very bad. [14:54] depends [14:54] I don't remember all of the third party stuff that I installed. [14:55] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC017B5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] ghetto (n=ghetto@88.231.206.47) joined ##slackware. [14:57] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.117) joined ##slackware. [14:57] hi all [14:57] Hi ghetto. [14:57] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [14:57] help pls [14:58] With what? [14:58] Can I install and boot to the slackware 12.2 usb memory? [14:58] boot from or install to? [14:59] boot [14:59] I'm sure you can, why not? [14:59] sure [15:00] there's always Slax too [15:00] I do not know English well [15:00] I can not tell :) [15:00] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.162.94) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Instead of using cd usb memory I want to install slackware [15:01] That works too. [15:03] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [15:03] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@93.86.223.114) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:03] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:04] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [15:04] then install slackware [15:05] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] türkçe bilen yokmu yahu ? [15:06] You know, I feel kind of bad for people who can't speak English. [15:07] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:07] sorry LFjob [15:07] I can not explain my problem [15:08] Hm.. [15:08] ghetto, Use this - http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ [15:08] ghetto, see the usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT file [15:08] it has all the details (in english though) [15:09] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Nick change: Guest45007 -> pragma_ [15:09] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [15:09] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@79.101.89.245) joined ##slackware. [15:10] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:10] Guest83583 (n=init[1]@116.68.99.108) joined ##slackware. [15:10] LFjob thansk [15:10] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Guest83583 (n=init[1]@116.68.99.108) left irc: Client Quit [15:11] Camarade_Tux im see [15:11] thanks all [15:11] init (n=init[1]@116.68.99.108) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Nick change: topgun21 -> gun21 [15:11] Nick change: init -> Guest86233 [15:12] Hadopi censurée, le web est mort de rire [15:12] Guest86233 (n=init[1]@116.68.99.108) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [15:12] slackytude, what ? link ? [15:12] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/france-govt-goes-into-spin-mode-to-salvage-three-strikes-law.ars [15:13] slackytude, thanks [15:13] np [15:13] heri0n (n=heri0n@70.31.102.148) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Nick change: gun21 -> topgun21 [15:13] btw, "le web est mort de rire" should translate to "the web LOLZ" XP [15:13] thought that would spark you interest [15:13] if you say so [15:13] I read an article somewhere about unpopular laws being easier to pass when proposed as a 3 strikes law [15:13] I surely wwouldnt trust me with translating [15:14] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [15:14] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [15:14] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [15:14] slackytude, well, your quote was ok but ars's translation wasn't ;) [15:15] pi31415, likely [15:15] so mort de rire = lol ? [15:15] I see mort there and that should mean death [15:16] slackytude, 'mdr' is the idiomatic translation imho [15:16] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [15:16] I see [15:16] (and "mdr" means "mort de rire" of course) [15:16] Action: slackytude mdr [15:16] ^^ [15:18] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.242) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:19] maddslacker (n=cmaddock@64.251.10.106) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] comrad left [15:24] WHO HERE! [15:25] http://trial.p2p-next.org/ [15:25] nice project [15:25] p2p sucks [15:25] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] comrad. [15:25] tooly (n=tooly@f053077117.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [15:25] Nick change: pragma_ -> zxcbert [15:25] jeev :) [15:26] Video on demand p2p? Sounds nice but not sure how that would play out. [15:26] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-225-130.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [15:26] LFjob, good I hope [15:26] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [15:26] http://torrentfreak.com/p2p-next-introduces-live-bittorrent-streaming-080718/ [15:27] Nick change: zxcbert -> pragma_ [15:27] Sounds great but seems like it would take an awesome amount of resource. [15:27] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:28] To participate in the test you need a broadband connection that can download at least 600 Kbits per second. [15:30] I get 15+Mbps...will that do? :D [15:30] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [15:31] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.191.231) joined ##slackware. [15:31] ugh, blew dust out of computer fans == cough hack cough [15:32] how often do you have to do that? [15:32] once a month would be ideal [15:33] but we're slackers, so once a year [15:33] heh [15:33] More like never. [15:33] I have the greatest PC. [15:33] No dust in the PC. [15:33] =p [15:33] we go to slackbuilds.org and build a package to periodically spin up the fans and reverse their direction to do it for us [15:33] I normally use a vacuum cleaner, but today I stepped outside and used canned air [15:33] however, i also used canned air to blow out parts of a laptop in the office [15:34] LFjob: pleasant fairy tale [15:34] Psh no. [15:35] I just spent a lot on my case and positioned the fans correct. [15:35] I can open it up right now, I don't see nay dust. [15:36] I thought it is dangerous to electronics to use a vaccum cleaner. Also some fans should probably be sucking air (with dust) in... [15:36] LFjob: pics or it didn't happen [15:36] dchmelik: vacuuming a pc is fine if you'reasonably careful [15:36] maddslacker, famous last words [15:36] what if you touch some of the electronics with mini-brushes? [15:37] ok [15:37] someone told me I should not do even that [15:37] I work in a data center, have for years, i've yet to have an issue with vacuum vs pc/server/printer..etc [15:37] I mean unless your vacuum wand is metal and wired to a car battery or something [15:38] well even plastic conducts a small amount of electricity [15:38] Hmm that inspires me to take some pictures... [15:38] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:38] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024 This is the case I have. [15:38] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [15:40] and for cheap we have the.. antec crapbox [15:41] :'( [15:41] (Just joking. The last PC I built used a similar antec case, and I am completely satisfied.) [15:41] It's not crap. It's amazing. [15:42] "A built-in, washable air filter helps to keep your system free of dust. " [15:42] It's why I have no dust even now. [15:42] good idea [15:42] I have a build script [15:42] wait it is an alias [15:42] yeah, those antec cases are really nice actually [15:43] smica (n=smica@94-21-80-75.pool.digikabel.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:43] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] my build alias is './configure && make && make install'. [15:45] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [15:47] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [15:47] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [15:49] heri0n (n=heri0n@70.31.102.148) left irc: "leaving" [15:51] heh, i bought a KVM from ebay and the names inside the list are like hotsexmuffins4 [15:51] and stuff like that lol [15:52] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-148-217.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:54] confrey (n=dario@94.162.173.188) joined ##slackware. [15:55] hi everybody [15:55] hi confrey [15:55] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [15:55] what canI use in xfce for browsing samba shares? I need something like smb4k [15:55] <|Slacker|> gigolo [15:56] gigolo? [15:56] american? [15:56] <|Slacker|> lol [15:56] <|Slacker|> wairt [15:56] <|Slacker|> wait [15:57] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] <|Slacker|> http://www.uvena.de/gigolo/ [15:58] nice [15:58] thx [15:59] Meh. This'll take a while. Have to make a list of packages I need to install to make xorg work. :p [16:01] i have another system which freebsd hates the sata controller. i'm gonna pop in 2x500gb sata's.. [16:01] wee, cant wait [16:02] |Slacker|, well, is there a .tgz of 'Gigoolo' ? [16:03] <|Slacker|> nope...but it requires no deps...just build it and be happy [16:03] <|Slacker|> or there is? [16:03] <|Slacker|> let me check [16:03] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) joined ##slackware. [16:03] GLib is mentioned [16:04] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:04] |Slacker|, not in its site [16:04] Nick change: seejay_ -> seejay [16:05] <|Slacker|> slackfind.net also doesn't [16:05] Action: |Slacker| checking slacky.eu [16:05] It only requires a recent GLib version and a properly setup DBus system. [16:05] <|Slacker|> http://www.slacky.eu/aadm/pkgs/index.php?sear=gigolo&ver=6 [16:05] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:05] <|Slacker|> here [16:05] <|Slacker|> *there [16:05] Hi all hey there b0y :p [16:06] |Slacker|: hehe hi :) [16:07] LFjob (n=siyavi@unaffiliated/lfjob) left irc: [16:07] <|Slacker|> gar0t0, wassup dude? [16:08] |Slacker|, nope, package not avalaible; and that page says about gnome dependencies [16:08] I'll try to buold it [16:08] wop [16:08] build [16:08] <|Slacker|> yeah [16:08] <|Slacker|> I've built it here without problems [16:08] <|Slacker|> on slack 12.2 [16:09] so you 'have' a .tgz of it... :) [16:10] <|Slacker|> nope [16:10] <|Slacker|> I just compiled it [16:10] Action: |Slacker| doesn't know how to build tgz's [16:11] |Slacker|, I've build something, but I don't remeber the correct method well [16:11] <|Slacker|> confrey, in fact now, I'm testing fedora 11 [16:11] |Slacker|, got bad reviews [16:12] <|Slacker|> so far so good here...I'm not using fedora core, I'm using Fedora XFCE spin...looks nice and it's a bit faster than slack [16:13] I am surprised to hear that it is faster [16:13] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] <|Slacker|> pi31415, I believe because in this distro XFCE has a better support from some gnome libs [16:14] possible I guess. comes with 2.6.30 and that has lots of optimisations over slacks 12.2 default [16:14] pretty sure slack 13 will stomp it into the ground tho [16:14] |Slacker|, is there some support for eeepc? [16:14] It also has extra stuff such as SELinux [16:14] <|Slacker|> slackytude, I hope so [16:14] <|Slacker|> yeah [16:15] <|Slacker|> I wish XFCE was the standard desktop for slack instead of KDE [16:15] |Slacker|, is your 'yeah' for me? [16:15] <|Slacker|> confrey, no, it was for pi31415 [16:15] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-207.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Hmm. xorg won't listen to my ctrl+alt+f# commands. [16:15] |Slacker|, well, xfce is in slackware [16:15] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:15] "standard" desktop? [16:16] <|Slacker|> slackytude, yeah, but it lacks some support... [16:16] I didn't realize Slackware had a standard desktop [16:16] |Slacker|, like what? [16:16] I don't have a strong preference between xfce or kde.. I've run into plenty of bugs on both [16:16] Action: slackytude runs xfce [16:16] <|Slacker|> straterra, see...KDE comes complete, but XFCE lacks some support due to some lack of gnome libs I guess [16:16] |Slacker|, what are you talking about? [16:17] What's it missing? [16:17] <|Slacker|> for example, thunar on xfce 4.4 on slack doesn't do the same stuff as in zenwalk for example [16:18] <|Slacker|> brb my wolves need feedoing [16:19] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-16-78.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [16:22] <|Slacker|> back [16:22] <|Slacker|> don't get me wrong [16:22] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:23] just curious whats missing [16:23] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC017B5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:23] because I thin the xfce on slack is complete except the goodies package [16:24] <|Slacker|> slackytude, except that xfce 4.4 doesn't come with thunar-volman installed by default and I've tried to install it more than once and it didn't work at all [16:25] <|Slacker|> and applications they run faster inside kde than in xfce [16:25] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/thunar-volman/ [16:25] as I said the goodies arent in slack but avaible at slackbuilds..org [16:26] and that running faster sounds like a myth / subjective impression [16:26] <|Slacker|> yeah...it is in fact...I was just wondering 'cuz xfce claims to be faster [16:26] it claims to be lightweight [16:26] <|Slacker|> and I've only noticed it on a crappy laptop I had [16:26] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Leaving" [16:27] and Ive got thunar volman [16:27] easy with slackbuilds [16:27] <|Slacker|> by the other hand though...there isn't an easiest installer than slack's [16:28] |Slacker| : that's debatable :) [16:29] <|Slacker|> ananke, I think I got too used to that...I had a headache here with fedora's installer :p [16:29] <|Slacker|> too much graphics I guess, lol [16:30] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-10-83.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[17:24] i have been reading text messages from http://textfromlastnight.com there are some funny comments of an adult nature, sorry no porn - just text [17:24] though questiion [17:26] smica (n=smica@94-21-80-75.pool.digikabel.hu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:26] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] if you go somewhere with live music, and the singer from the first band sits there and texts somebody the whole time the 2nd band is playing... is that considered rude? [17:27] werehyena (n=werehyen@unaffiliated/werehyena) joined ##slackware. [17:27] (I mean, it made me want to punch the guy, and I'm not in either of the bands...) [17:27] heh [17:28] dunno [17:28] but I guess its rude [17:28] if it was truly important, he could have gone out to the main part of the bar, where nobody could see him [17:28] (or he could have left, assuming he was sober enough to drive) [17:30] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] y0 slava_dp [17:31] y0 slackytude! [17:32] hows it going [17:33] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:34] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@12.165.71-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] ye gods [17:39] http://www.princeton.edu/~adam/R1/r1rpt.html [17:39] people talk about making toast or frying eggs with computers [17:40] that one was made of thousands of vacuum tubes, you could cook enough food to feed an entire campus while it calculated digits of pi :) [17:42] Action: pi31415 grins [17:43] :) [17:44] "The large hydraulically-actuated Bryant disk (which had mammoth 39-inch platters) was added in 1967 or 1968, but was even less reliable than the tape drives and was generally felt to be more trouble than it was worth" [17:45] I spend too much time thinking about programming language advocacy [17:45] 39 inch hydraulic hard drives. In those days, giants walked the earth... [17:45] hydrolics, servos, big diff? [17:46] yes [17:46] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [17:47] imagine having to RMA your drive because it sprung a leak... [17:47] hehe [17:47] ufoczek (n=krystian@emo253.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:47] yeah, having hydraulic parts inside a computer scares me [17:47] ufoczek (n=krystian@emo253.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [17:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Hard drive manufacturers would sell drivagra [17:48] but then vacuum tubes could probably handle it better than todays stuff [17:48] slackytude, everything's fine, thanks [17:49] epic lag ^-^ [17:49] I'm raping this free wifi hotspot and i think it's QoS'ing me [17:49] :-) went away for a moment [17:50] hi [17:50] y0 hi [17:50] found out how to do 1280x800 framebuffer today. [17:50] doh [17:50] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] I meant y0 juice [17:50] heh [17:50] lol [17:50] 64 bytes from b1.www.vip.re3.yahoo.com (69.147.114.224): icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=1555 ms [17:50] that was stupid [17:50] *that's* lag. [17:51] i've seen worse [17:51] slava_dp, how? [17:51] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:51] (on satellite internet) [17:51] slava_dp, on my laptop i do 16x1200 framebiffer [17:51] errr [17:51] vga=0x361 [17:51] 1600x1200 [17:51] used opensuse as a hint ;) [17:51] hmm [17:51] does you happen to know that the vga= is for 1440x900? [17:51] does/do [17:52] gah s/framebiffer/framebuffer [17:52] antiwire, get an opensuse livecd, boot it and do cat /proc/cmdline :-) [17:52] antiwire, google [17:52] hey now guys WHOA [17:52] there is a site with all the codes [17:52] antiwire: there might not be a VESA mode for that [17:52] k [17:52] i will see if I can find the site again [17:52] google did not help me previously. [17:52] Urchlay: Yeah I don't know if that's a standard vesa mode [17:53] eh, I googled for "1440x900" vesa mode, the first hit says 867 :) [17:53] maddslacker (n=cmaddock@64.251.10.106) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:53] juice, you must have a big lappy for that resolution. [17:53] Urchlay, lucky [17:53] google skillz [17:53] brb I want to try it [17:53] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/vga-boot-modes-to-set-screen-resolution/ [17:53] here is one chart [17:54] juice: doesn't have 1440x900 though ( [17:54] sec [17:54] finding the better one [17:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions [17:55] enter vga=0x348 [17:55] that is 1400x1050 [17:55] so lets see [17:55] heh, wpedia has a completely different number listed for 1440x900 [17:55] anyone tried http://goosh.org ? a shell interface to google. i was impressed. [17:55] brb [17:55] Urchlay, color plays a role as well [17:56] Urchlay: scroll down [17:56] nheco_ (n=nheco@189.73.188.130) joined ##slackware. [17:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers [17:56] 867 is for 24bit [17:56] I'll try that one [17:56] brb [17:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [17:57] hmm to bad we didn't have the hwinfo commad [17:57] slava_dp, nice! [17:57] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "leaving" [17:58] slava_dp: haha, that goosh site is hilarious [17:58] and pretty fast, i should say. [17:58] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [17:59] slava_dp: lol! where I can download the goosh package for slackware? [18:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:00] heh. I tried to delete the whole web with "rm -rf /" :) [18:00] Urchlay, oh noes! [18:00] invalid. I guess the vesa driver doesn't support that mode [18:00] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Hey, does it require a kernel rebuild to select a different FB driver? [18:01] upyr, lol. it's javascript so you have to use it in a browser [18:01] hm, the goosh main page says it's open source and gives a link, but there's no source there to download [18:01] how does one select different vesa drivers at boot? [18:01] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] antiwire: agggh, I used to *know* this [18:02] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:02] nheco (n=nheco@200-203-64-101.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:02] Urchlay, http://code.google.com/p/goosh/source/checkout [18:03] ah, I was just looking under Downlaods [18:03] slava_dp: I understand. But I want it for the console [18:03] upyr, there is a cmdline interface for google actually [18:03] it is poorly formed javascript too [18:03] slackytude: thanks [18:04] upyr, i'm afraid you will have to rewrite it in another language for it to work as a standalone program. [18:04] goosh.gui.el = function(id){return document.getElementById(id);} [18:04] pi31415: you mean such a thing as well-formed javascript actually exists? :) [18:04] There should have been a semicolon at the end of that statement. [18:04] antiwire, what do you want to do [18:04] Urchlay: well, some javascript can pass jslint [18:04] at boot [18:05] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-177-6.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:05] the question is not what, it is how [18:05] antiwire, try vga=ask [18:05] anyone able to help or have any experience with acpi/PowerManagement in 12.2 [18:05] maybe it will list the mode [18:05] http://goose-search.sourceforge.net/ [18:05] juice: no. I'm figuring it out myself [18:05] i said driver, not mode [18:05] ok [18:05] yeah i know [18:05] append = "video=vesa:XXX" [18:05] you said the other mode was invalid [18:06] looks like the way [18:06] I said that mode was invalid because the vesa driver doesn't support it but the specific driver for my chipset might [18:06] okay [18:06] so I asked how to choose the driver at boot [18:06] got ya [18:07] antiwire: the only thing I remember about it is that the ATI driver used to be called "atyfb" for some reason (maybe still is) [18:07] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:07] One is the loneliest number that you'll ever know - Thee Dog Night [18:07] I think this will do it for me append="video=offb:off video=nvidiafb [18:07] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@79.101.89.245) left ##slackware. [18:07] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] see if you can add ypan or ywrap [18:08] /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt [18:08] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [18:09] that's the vesafb driver [18:09] yeah, but the nvidia one might take (some of) the same parameters [18:09] I'm going to force it into nvidiafb first, it might just work [18:09] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.159.208.149) joined ##slackware. [18:10] I see no nvidiafb.txt in there :( [18:10] i tried that with the ati mobility atyfb and my monitor freaked out and turned white, i had to reboot the hard way and chroot, remove and run lilo [18:11] NukeDukem: ehmm, why did you hard-code it into your lilo.conf before trying it manually? [18:11] over confidence [18:11] :) [18:11] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [18:11] hm, uvesafb looks interesting [18:12] that mistake ruined armies and nations [18:12] what mistake? [18:13] over confidence [18:13] runs the card's vesa bios code in a sandbox with a userspace daemon, which (theoretically) could be an x86 cpu emulator (so you could use the card's vesa bios even on a PPC mac or Sparc) [18:13] Urchlay, eh? thats voodoo [18:13] balck magic [18:13] black even [18:14] well, the docs don't mention the specifics of the chicken-sacrifice ritual, but you're probably right [18:15] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "^D" [18:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429505.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] at the boot prompt, is this the valid syntax? lilo: kernelname video=XXX ? [18:15] i was going suggest uvesafb, but I haven't tried it [18:15] or do I actually need the append [18:16] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [18:16] antiwire, afaik yes [18:16] k, brb testing [18:16] i forget I don't think append is needed [18:16] unless in lilo.conf [18:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [18:17] I thought he was asking aboutl ilo [18:19] he means when booting lilo [18:19] adding after the kernel name [18:20] yeah no append needed at the prompt [18:20] I should upgrade to 2.6.30 here [18:20] I did at work seems nice [18:21] 2.6.29 is still too new for me [18:22] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.83.247) joined ##slackware. [18:26] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:26] on 2.6.29.{1,2} wrong /proc/uptime :( [18:27] heret|c (n=heretic@c-24-30-117-194.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:27] well. [18:27] any luck ananke ? [18:27] err antiwire [18:27] lilo: kernelname video=nvidiafb:1440x900 works great....but conflicts with installing the nvidia driver [18:27] the prop. driver for X that is [18:27] d'oh! [18:28] I'm stuck with normal vesa for now then [18:28] yup, fb drivers and X drivers dont always get along [18:28] antiwire, I was going to tell you that before you left I never had luck with nvidia fb and the driver [18:28] lol [18:28] that's ok [18:28] I want 3d accel more than 1440x900 vesa [18:28] but I thought maybe it was only in older cards [18:28] Your request for http://noobfarm.org/ could not be fulfilled, because the connection to noobfarm.org (65.124.105.254) could not be established. [18:29] noobfarm, its gone! [18:29] confirmed [18:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:29] oh noes! [18:29] great this place just filled up with 40 people and i'm freaking out [18:29] damn it. [18:29] Dominian, noobfarm is down [18:29] ignore joins parts nicks and you wont freak out [18:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:30] yeah ignore join parts in a coffee shop.. [18:30] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] hahah [18:30] screw this have to go freaking out [18:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [18:30] oh, you are in a coffee shop and a bunch of people walked in the door, not this irc channel [18:31] as long as nobody is wearing a pinstipe suit & fedora carrying a violin case with a tommy gun [18:31] slackos (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. 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[18:40] greetings and salutations [18:42] whoa [18:42] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.159.208.149) left irc: Client Quit [18:42] greetings andarius, how are you? [18:42] http://catb.org/jargon/html/G/grind-crank.html [18:43] salutations firebird619, i am well. You ? [18:44] Urchlay: COOL. Now I can honestly say I crank out code! :P [18:44] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:44] andarius: doing excellent, thank you. :) [18:45] Everyone has already had a chuckle over the redhat logo/t-rex punching a triceratops image yea? http://imgur.com/Y5wgF.jpg [18:45] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) joined ##slackware. [18:46] eviljames: that seems like it might be LSD-influenced... [18:47] heh, what computer-related jargon isn't? [18:47] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:47] There's always been a strange connection between in-dorm chemistry and the comp.sci students... [18:47] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] isr (n=isr@194.219.217.68) joined ##slackware. [18:51] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] isr (n=isr@194.219.217.68) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:55] what's that old quote about Berkeley... [18:55] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:55] "The only 2 things of significance to come from Berkeley were BSD and LSD. We think this is not a coincidence..." [18:56] something like that [18:57] hahahah yea [18:57] I had the same vibe, but couldn't recall the quote [18:57] finally got a game to run now to get the sound to work [18:57] ut2003 [18:57] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] just load oss compat modules [18:57] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:58] see if that solves (it might) [18:58] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [18:58] installing smpeg [18:58] you might have to do something else for that... there's a /proc file into which you echo the name of the executable. One sec. [18:59] http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/ALSA_PCM_proc_commands <--- there [19:00] eviljames, yeah have the oss mod loaded [19:00] looking Urchlay [19:00] hrm, i was hoping for a quick/easy fix [19:01] juice: you may not need it, I recall it was required for some older games, but not all [19:01] i might need it [19:01] (2003 is I guess pretty old these days) [19:01] yeah [19:02] well, if compatibility was maintained this issue could be avoided. [19:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [19:02] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:03] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [19:03] hrm, that link is pretty informative [19:04] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.178.148) joined ##slackware. [19:04] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [19:04] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [19:04] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@79.101.89.245) joined ##slackware. [19:05] unfortunately it doesn't look like you can replace the executable name with * meaning "Allow all" (which would be acceptable to me on a single-user machine) [19:05] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@79.101.89.245) left ##slackware. [19:07] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.86.44) left irc: "Leaving" [19:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Action: Urchlay sings [19:09] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:09] "We don't need no... eggs and bacon!" [19:10] "We don't need no... grits and toast!" [19:10] (that's the Waffle House version of the famous Pink Floyd song...) [19:10] "No breakfast foods... in the kitchen" [19:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] there ya go [19:10] oh, hahah [19:10] "Hey! Waitress! Leave that food alone!" [19:11] "All in all, you're just a..." [19:11] something, I dunno what goes there [19:11] another chump in a booth? [19:11] dunno :P [19:11] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] Oh gosh, Urchlay was singing. [19:11] :P [19:11] well I'm trying to work out the intro to that song [19:11] bbl [19:12] *everyone* knows how to play the song, but almost nobody bothers to learn the first bit ("When we grew up and went to school, there were certain teachers..." etc) [19:12] isn't the whole thing just a simple musing in Dm ? [19:12] the whole thing except that intro part, yes [19:13] like.. I III VII I [19:13] for the intro, and then I II III II for teh chorus bit. [19:13] basically, yeah [19:13] (the bass stays in Dm for the whole thing, booorinnng, but sounds good) [19:14] eh, well, except a couple spots it goes to G, and F to C (easy to remember, if you're listening to the vocals) [19:15] sGun (n=s@ppp184-132.static.internode.on.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [19:15] werehyena (n=werehyen@unaffiliated/werehyena) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:16] I cheat: I don't drop-tune my E string to D (that's how the recorded version is) [19:17] gah [19:18] seriously why can't older games just work [19:18] i have to go buy some new game and then it still won't work [19:18] "When they got home at night, their fat and psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives"... misogynist much, Roger? [19:18] stuff is either too outdated or too new [19:19] is anybody experiencing music skipping with 2.6.30? [19:19] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.162.94) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:19] is there any way I can ssh into someones computer without them having to set up port forwarding? [19:19] this is a connection from outside the LAN [19:20] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Success [19:20] stealth: no [19:21] buut you can ssh to the host that has a valid ip [19:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.154) joined ##slackware. [19:21] ssh to the host that has a valid ip? [19:21] what do you mean? [19:21] e then connect to another machine [19:22] do you have a machine connected to the internet, right? [19:22] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "feed me, feed me now!!" [19:23] yes [19:23] Im trying to ssh from my machine into my friends machine without teaching him how to port forward [19:23] heh [19:23] you cannot do that if his machine does not have an valid ip [19:24] get admin access to his router, do the port forwarding yourself [19:24] that's an option... [19:25] Urchlay: but wouldnt that require me to get him to go into the router and enable the web interface for connections outside LAN? [19:25] Canhoto (n=leandro@189.34.164.126) joined ##slackware. [19:25] but probably his friend's router does not allow connection from outside [19:26] I think i'll just *try* to walk him through port forwarding over the phone :/ [19:26] most of them do, but it's disabled by default (assuming we're talking about a shittly little thing like a consumer-grade linksys/netgear) [19:26] well... [19:27] correct me if im wrong, but isnt this a case for ssh tunnel? [19:27] or put his machine in the dmz [19:27] ask him to connect his machine directly :P [19:27] if it were a real cisco or a linux box with iptables, this wouldn't be an issue :) [19:27] Canhoto (n=leandro@189.34.164.126) left irc: Client Quit [19:27] You could do reverse VNC [19:28] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:28] how would that work? [19:28] madbear: the remote guy isn't technical enough to set up port forwarding in a web GUI, what makes you think he'll get ssh tunelling or VNC working? :) [19:28] You run one part of the vnc..he connects to you..you get VNC on his machine [19:28] k, I think i can get him to do port forwarding over phone. Thanks anyways, guys [19:29] You could have him put his machine in the dmz.. [19:29] and thatd work too [19:30] Urchlay: hehe .. no [19:33] whats a command to capture network packets? [19:34] tcpdump [19:34] thanks [19:34] gotta catch em all :P [19:34] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] Action: straterra throws a pokeball [19:35] your only good one? [19:35] har har har [19:35] :) [19:36] hm, was gonna say "ethereal" but apparently it's now called "wireshark" [19:36] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:36] Anyone know why alt+ctrl+F# doesn't work in xorg? [19:36] sajes: it doesn't do anything at all, or it causes corrupted junk on screen? [19:36] Eh, I should reword that. It doesn't work for me. Is there an option in xorg.conf to make it work or something? [19:37] Urchlay: Doesn't do anything at all. [19:37] What runlevel are you in? [19:37] straterra: rc.M [19:37] uhm..what? [19:37] there's an xorg.conf option to disable it, possibly something generated you a config file and "helpfully" disabled that for you [19:37] straterra: Problem? [19:37] # Option "DontVTSwitch" [19:37] What run level are you in? [19:37] rc.M is not a runlevel [19:38] (that's commented out in the default xorg.conf, see if you have it uncommented) [19:38] Urchlay: It's commented out. [19:38] "Big Bird, Q is not a number" [19:38] "I'm so baked..." [19:38] straterra: Whatever slackware is defaulted to. [19:39] sajes: in that case, I dunno. Weird keymap? Alt key mapped to "compose character" or something? [19:39] 3 [19:39] normally you use the left alt and ctrl, are you trying to use the ones on the right? [19:40] sajes: what is the output of "who -r" [19:40] BP{k}: run-level 3 and some other non-important crap. [19:40] BP{k}: hey, nifty, I didn't know "who" could do that [19:41] Urchlay: Nope. I use my left hand and none of my right hand to do alt+ctrl+f1-4. [19:41] Action: BP{k} doesn't want to know what you do with your right hand :P [19:42] BP{k}: Drink my doctor pepper. [19:42] sajes: no clue then. You might run "xev" and press the ctrl and alt keys by themselves, see if they actually produce Control_L and Alt_L keysyms [19:42] (though if you didn't change anything, I don't see why they wouldn't... and if you did change something, you'd know you did it) [19:43] noobfarm aint down per se [19:43] I'm moving it back to where it needs to be :P [19:43] "Get back to where you once belonged" [19:43] Urchlay: It has to. ctrl+alt+backspace gets me out of xorg. [19:43] Dominian: Hm? [19:43] sajes: the only thing I can think of, then, is that maybe your window manager or desktop env is disabling them somehow [19:44] Urchlay: I'm using fluxbox (for now). I don't think fluxbox would do that. :\ [19:44] when you say "they don't do anything" you literally mean nothing happens, right? (It's not switching to a blank screen or anything, it's as though you hadn't pressed the keys at all?) [19:44] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [19:45] Urchlay: Literally nothing happens. It just stays on fluxbox with my terminals opened and whatnot. Not even a flicker of a different color. [19:45] see if you can switch with "chvt 1" [19:45] NoZap [19:45] Pig_Pen: that's ctrl-alt-backspace though, not tty switching (unless that's changed lately too) [19:46] Urchlay: Heh, we're getting somewhere. chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: Operation not permitted. [19:46] sudo chvt 1 [19:46] or anyway do it as root, see if it does anything at all [19:46] i swear my connection is crap [19:46] Urchlay: Changed it to VT1. [19:46] so I run a bandwidth test [19:46] http://www.speedtest.net/result/494631583.png [19:46] juice: Want to trade? I have hughesnet. [19:46] and it shows fine [19:47] OK, so the VTs exist and can be used, that's something at least [19:47] but yet my d/l's from kernel.org are rather slow [19:47] cadmium-sulfide (n=root@202.174.145.186) joined ##slackware. [19:47] and they are never slow [19:47] dang juice thats worse than dialup [19:47] hehe [19:47] Urchlay: I knew they existed. I can use them when I kill X. [19:47] and chvt not working for pleb users is normal (it doesn't work for me without sudo, even though ctrl-alt-F1 does work) [19:47] hi, i want to take a look at the ping source code, could someone tell me where on the slackware disks i would find the source for the ping command ? [19:47] i dunno I was grabbing a file from idsoftware at only 50KB/sec down to 8KB [19:48] so something is going on with my traffic [19:48] some drunk probably ran his car in to a telephone pole in your home town juice, or someone with a backhoe dug up a line [19:48] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:48] a workaround: use fluxbox's keybinds to bind the keystrokes to "sudo chvt " and set up /etc/sudoers to allow you to run chvt with no password (but. This *really* shouldn't be necessary!) [19:49] Urchlay: Ehm. I'd rather fix it right. Because then if I switch window managers, I'm screwed. :p [19:49] where do you find source to compile programs in slackware? what cd ? [19:49] juice: 50KB/sec is over 10x as fast as a dialup, why are you bitching? :) [19:49] cadmium-sulfide: CDs 4 through 6 IIRC [19:50] cadmium-sulfide: the iso images, when you download them, actually have the word "source" in the names [19:50] because I should be getting 2.2MB down [19:50] or faster [19:50] juice: nice speed for download :) [19:50] and I get used to fast internet from work [19:50] sajes: agreed. I'm just out of ideas at this point... [19:50] where I have a true 1gbps to the internet [19:51] Slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] that would be nice, download a DVD iso in about 5 seconds [19:51] change is tough [19:51] Pig_Pen, yeah if I find the right mirrors linux isos are breeze [19:52] i see 2 devils with a penguin mask on the slackware64 [19:52] i like slow downloads.. i have an excuse to do something else but i feel like i'm multitasking... [19:52] cadmium-sulfide: eh, note that you don't need to compile any of that stuff yourself unless you need custom versions of it (e.g. compiled with different options) [19:53] Urchlay.. i want to look into the -S option on ping to find out how to make the ping client bind to a specific ip when the system is multi-homed [19:53] ugh. My first-ever downloading was done on a 300 baud modem with a single-tasking computer. My definition of multitasking was "go read a book or something while you wait" [19:53] Slaxxer: yeah..tuz [19:53] I once downloaded the game Marithon over the course of 1 week.. [19:53] I'm having an issue with NFS; it's probably something very simple but I can't seem to find the culprit. NFS is set up, my client system has access to NFS, plays it and actually outputs the media file (movie) to my tv in my living room. Everything works great and fine, except that every 2-4 minutes it lags for a split second or two (that's when bandwidth spikes up every single time when it lags). What's the reason? TCP socket buffer? [19:53] over 14.4 [19:54] slackmagic: movie files over NFS? [19:54] cadmium-sulfide: "man ping" says that's not what the -S option does. You want -I instead, and I doubt that needs a recompile [19:54] Also..is it over wireless? [19:54] cadmium-sulfide: -I works fine for me, btw [19:54] anyone with experience installing webcams? [19:54] sorry that is on a freebsd system... yeah your right on slack its -I [19:54] straterra: yep, I don't have any more slots for hdd expansion on my old system that is hooked up to the tv [19:55] cadmium-sulfide: I didn't actually know that, I just read fast :) [19:55] slackmagic: Wireless or wired? [19:55] Urchlay.. I want to modify an ftp client to do the same thing.. yeah i figured you man'ed it :) [19:55] straterra: wired of course [19:55] 100 mbit? [19:55] nfs + wireless = truly crappy performance for media. My workaround was to enable a giant cache in mplayer :( [19:55] straterra: 10mbit [19:55] 10? [19:55] erhm [19:56] That in of itself may be your issue [19:56] Mb = Mega-bit [19:56] Depending on the bitrate [19:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:56] anyway to get it to 100mbit? [19:56] 100mbit switches are cheap [19:57] cadmium-sulfide: hm. I would have guessed lftp or ncftp would already do that, but apparently I'm wrong [19:57] Also..with a link that like, you will likely want to play the file with a HUGE cache [19:57] mbit? millibit? :) [19:57] Urchlay.. yeah i'm wanting to modify the ncftp client [19:57] It'll have a longer time from load to play..but should help [19:58] straterra: yeah just tested again, it's definitely around the 10mbit, sending files at around 11.08MB/s between systems. I'll see if I can set it up for 100Mbit. Strangely enough, as it plays the movie it never really uses any bandwidth, but every 2-3 minutes it spikes and seems to be sending all the data in 1 go or something [19:58] 11MB/s? that's 100mbit [19:59] Theoretical maximum is roughly 12 megabytes per second for 100mbit [19:59] somwhere around 88Mb i guess [19:59] cadmium-sulfide: OK, in slackware, the basic idea is there's a directory on the CD or the FTP site with the source + a .SlackBuild script, plus support files (patches or whatever). You want to develop your mod to the client, make a diff, copy the diff to the dir with the SlackBuild, then add a line to it in the appropriate place that looks like "patch -p1 < $CWD/your_patch.diff" [19:59] straterra: opps, it's late! Give me a break! :D [19:59] hehe [19:59] still..increase the cache size [19:59] Also..you can give samba a shot [20:00] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.154) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] souphead (n=souphead@120.28.176.131) joined ##slackware. [20:00] cadmium-sulfide: while you're at it, change the BUILD=1 to something like "BUILD=1_cs", so later on when you look at the list of packages, you can see that that package isn't the stock slackware one [20:00] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] (don't use a - in the BUILD=, afaik that confuses pkgtools) [20:01] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] straterra: i'll play around with the cache, if it still doesn't work I'll give samba a try, thanks [20:01] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.178.148) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:02] how can I find my ip on my LAN through commmand line? [20:02] np [20:02] stealth-: ifconfig [20:03] Urlchay.. i got the slack dvd in i did cd /cdrom/source now i have a bunch of directors labled a ap f k etc... [20:03] sajes: so I'm out of ideas on your problem... [20:03] sajes: thx [20:04] Urchlay: Meh. So is google. [20:04] cadmium-sulfide: yeah, those are categories (a = applications, etc). I believe ncftp is in n/ [20:04] (n for network of course) [20:04] ic [20:04] tx [20:04] thnx [20:05] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.50) joined ##slackware. [20:05] apparently the directory e is just for emacs.. [20:05] or editors and only emacs is in there... [20:05] thats odd that vim is not there [20:05] emacs is so bloated it needs its own dir [20:06] heh.. [20:06] nah, e is emacs only [20:06] i guess e for emacs is better than e for explorer ;p [20:06] vim is in ap directory.. whats dif between a and ap ? [20:07] port forwarding for ssh uses tcp, right? [20:07] NukeDukem true.. [20:07] a is "essential packages", ap is "applications that don't need X" [20:07] then there's an xap (X apps that don't require KDE) and kde (obvious) [20:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:08] it made a lot more sense when each directory's contents would fit on a floppy (insert the XAP disk, press Enter) [20:08] stealth- : no, it uses icmp. of course it uses tcp :) [20:08] ananke: well for all I knew it could have been udp [20:09] ananke: whats the difference and how can I tell, if you know [20:09] ?? [20:09] i think l needs to be split up in to categories, one for kde/qt stuff, one for gtk stuff, and one for for neither one of the previous two [20:09] stealth- : what's the problem? [20:09] i guess you could forward ports for tcp/udp or icmp.... [20:09] NukeDukem: I like the way the ports/pkgsrc stuff is organized in *BSD [20:09] ananke: I was just wondering how you knew weather a program uses tcp or udp. Im helping a friend configure port forwarding [20:10] ssh is tcp... [20:10] pkgsrc/shells/bash <--- easy to find [20:10] stealth- : you can sniff the traffic. or read the manual for a given software [20:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] ananke: okay. I was just wondering if udp was for a specific type of program. thanks [20:10] a linux distro that has a nice ports system is Crux [20:10] stealth- : you can also deduce from the type of software. if you need to guarantee that the data gets there - you use tcp. if you want to blast data, and _hope_ it gets there - udp is for you [20:11] UDP is for when you don't particularly care if all the data makes it there [20:11] tcp uses datagrams only udp uses packets "technically speaking" [20:11] NukeDukem: plain netbsd pkgsrc works wonderfully on slackware (used to use it on slamd64 too) [20:11] hmm, that gives me ideas [20:11] Video games and media streaming are common uses for udp [20:11] kunal (n=kunala05@ppp-124-121-210-25.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [20:11] hello. [20:12] hey what is the longest uptime have you had on a laptop? [20:12] ananke: ah [20:12] NukeDukem: although if you google for pkgsrc on slackware you end up looking at a horribly bad set of directions that tell you to replace the slackware cvs, ssh, etc. binaries with the pkgsrc ones. It kinda gives pkgsrc a bad name within the slack community... [20:12] Whats the point of uptime on a laptop? [20:12] straterra: uptime- how long have you had your machine on? [20:12] just to see how much it can withstand. [20:12] kunal : why do you want to know? [20:12] how much can what withstand? [20:12] ananke: so that i can estimate how much my machine can withstand. [20:12] thanks for the info [20:12] 20:12:55 up 132 days, 7:47, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 [20:12] Action: ananke 's current laptop has uptime of 43 days [20:13] kunal : withstand what exactly? [20:13] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ananke: time..duh :P [20:13] ananke: thats not possible [20:13] I had a laptop running on AC power only with an uptime of about a year... and the battery died from being left charging for so long :( [20:13] i had a server crash after 300+ days today.. thats good for the country i am in with the power situation... [20:13] kunal: its very possible with hibernate/suspend and such [20:13] if i dont hibernate or suspend. [20:13] i just have it running [20:13] kunal: it's very possible. even then. [20:13] kunal : uhmm, what's not possible? 43 days of uptime. like hell it isn't. [20:13] Still possible..keep it plugged in. [20:14] kunal: if you keep charging the battery? easily possible [20:14] Plug it in, close the lid, stick it in a closet [20:14] well i dont have batt. i am connected to power [20:14] Come back in a few months [20:14] straterra: or under the bed, which is where mine's currently sitting [20:14] kunal: the problem is this: *you* have no clue what you want to know, hence your question gets answers which are well in the realm of possibilities. Not our prolbem if you don't like the answers :) [20:14] I like to think of it as a "slimline server" [20:14] Put a railkit on it.. [20:14] kunal : i've had laptops run for years. literally, YEARS. [20:14] It's a server + UPS [20:15] well i just wnated to know how would it be if i had it running for hours. [20:15] i mean days. [20:15] using it for days without hibernation [20:15] It'd be fine.. [20:15] kunal : it would be running. [20:15] straterra: was, but the battery died (and the replacement battery got disappeared when I was moving) [20:15] i heard you could put laptop batteries in the fridge to keep them longer.. [20:15] Being laptop hardware doesn't really make it any different in that regard [20:15] so i can just have it running for a month without having problems? [20:15] yes [20:15] "yes" [20:15] leave it on without hibernation or anything [20:15] ok thanks :) [20:15] kunal : sure, if you don't abuse it [20:16] ok. thanks alot :) [20:16] kunal.. you should put your laptop in the refrigerator and see how much uptime you get.. [20:16] if you're going to leave it on AC power for a long time, remove the battery [20:16] sorry to disturb. [20:16] seriously [20:16] yeeah [20:16] kunal : you definitely scored the 'weirdest question of the day' award [20:16] already did. [20:16] ananke: thanks [20:16] Hmm [20:16] I want to drop a x346 off of the roof [20:16] cadmium-sulfide: hey, I had a job where the server "racks" were old restaurant refrigerators (like the ones they use for dessert displays) [20:16] Urchlay, that's a good tip [20:17] Urchlay: yeah right?! [20:17] what kind of restaurent was htat? [20:17] bkUp: it's a tip someone should have given me, I had to find out the hard way :( [20:17] Urlchay.. Nice... [20:17] kunal: wasn't a restaurant. The boss got those old fridges from a restaurant surplus sale or something [20:17] ah i see. [20:18] How did that work out with the humidity ? [20:18] he left them running, but cut holes in the top for cables to go through [20:18] i thought referigerators were often damp... [20:18] cadmium-sulfide: during winter, not bad. When summer came we had problems [20:18] Urchlay : i'm wondering, why bother? your heat is evacuated right there, so what's the point of a fridge? [20:18] the big hole in the top helped some [20:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-10-83.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] ananke: the boss was an idiot, there was no point :) [20:19] ah, time for beer. :) [20:19] yeah kindof sounds like he was smoking dope... [20:19] snorting coke actually [20:19] BP{k}: I want beer too! Guiness if possible [20:19] there you have it.. [20:20] he started talking about sticking a dehumidifier inside the refrigerator... [20:20] kunal: Guiness is all right, not overly spectacular. :) [20:20] there are solutions for cooling inside the rack, or right outside of it. but all of them involve evacuating heat further away [20:20] wow.. thats fucking brilliant...! [20:20] Urchlay : what? like that's needed [20:20] "I know! Let's put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in the same room and let them fight it out!" [20:20] BP{k}: what is your choice of beer? [20:20] ananke: I repeat: coke-snorting idiot [20:21] nothing inherently wrong with coke :) [20:21] yeah, but if you're an idiot to start with, it's not going to make you *smarter* [20:21] Urchlay : amen [20:21] when i took over at my company i traced a wire from the ups through a wall to a small referigerator [20:21] i was like who the fuck plugs a refergerator into the NOC UPS system.. [20:22] cadmium-sulfide : a sysadmin who values his cold beverage :) [20:22] eventually we persuaded him to let us unplug the refrigerators and remove the doors, so they just became cabinets [20:22] hehe yeah you have to have your priorities... [20:22] bbl [20:22] kunal: depends, I have several beers I really like; at the moment I am drinking a Wychwood Hobgoblin. http://wychwood.co.uk/beers_hobgoblin.htm [20:23] ah [20:23] never heard of it [20:23] let me see [20:23] british beer? [20:23] yep. [20:23] Urchlay.. sounds like the design of the systems were refrigerator centric.. [20:24] your boss specialized in refigerator centric system analysis and design... [20:24] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.70.151) joined ##slackware. [20:24] with a minor in snorting coke.. [20:25] cadmium-sulfide: an amusing story about that same guy: he had an old trailer behind the shop, where he stored old equipment... it got broken into one night [20:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:25] he couldn't figure out whether or not anything was missing [20:25] decided to call the cops anyway. They took down the details, got ready to leave, he's like "Aren't you gonna dust for prints?" [20:26] detective rolls eyes, then goes "OK" [20:26] end result: all the stuff in there that didn't get stolen (which was probably all of it) ended up covered in massive amounts of carbon dust [20:26] not unlike printer toner [20:27] had to throw away a bunch of it... [20:27] leave it to a drug user to request the dusting [20:27] so what kind of business was he running anyway ? [20:28] slackos (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:30] just think if they found some dope in that trailor [20:30] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] thats what i would be afraid of [20:31] them finding some old bag of weed or somthing that was kidden durring a stoned midnight session [20:31] *hidden [20:31] Urchlay thanks for the help [20:31] i'm out.. [20:31] be seein ya [20:31] l8ters.. [20:31] the business was combination retail store, embedded systems development, [20:32] web hosting [20:32] linux consulting... [20:32] I think it could have survived the dot-com crash if he'd picked one area to specialize in... 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[21:03] is there a way to allow access for SSH in hosts.allow? for example I have sendmail:all so that I can use sendmail while having ALL:ALL in my hosts.deny [21:05] hm, pretty sure sshd can be compiled with support for tcpwrapper, I've no idea whether the one in slackware actually is though [21:05] tcpwrappers [21:06] yes it is: $ grep wrappers n/openssh/openssh.SlackBuild [21:06] --with-tcp-wrappers \ [21:07] the sshd man page doesn't say much about it (just refers you to the hosts_access page) [21:07] Thanks [21:08] Dominian (n=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: "bbiab" [21:08] nheco_ (n=nheco@189.73.188.130) left irc: "Saindo" [21:11] lolwut: sshd:all or something similar (ie it just follows the rule of: : [: