[00:00] Nick change: _RaNdY -> RaNdY [00:01] tino27 (~tino27@cpe-24-93-180-242.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:03] I'm getting ready to reboot into my new 13.1-64 install, trying now to figure out what is the proper way to run a dyndns script from dhcpcd. I used to use /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe, not there now. Do I add a script in this new /lib/dhcpcd directory? [00:06] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-157-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] rob0: what? [00:07] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-235.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] trying to find the new equivalent to /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe [00:09] rob0: I use ddclient, and it's located in /etc [00:09] has it been deprecated rob0? calling dhcpcd.exe (in 5.x)? [00:09] but what triggers it? [00:09] I don't need a dyndns client, I just need to trigger my own script from dhcpcd. [00:09] just a sec I'll look, been a very long time since I touched it. [00:10] All of /etc/dhcpc is gone now. [00:11] don't they use run-hooks now? [00:11] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [00:11] yes, I'm trying to figure out how [00:12] in sysconfdir, you just need an enter and exit hook (latter is optional) [00:12] maybe "dhcpcd.enter-hook" or summits [00:12] lol .exe [00:12] Okay, the way I read that is that the enter and exit hooks run every time regardless of event. [00:13] The /lib/dhcpcd scripts use case loops to decide what to do. [00:14] dunno what you old .exe did then, maybe you can explain it more.the hooks now match things like BIND, FAIL, etc [00:14] (and why is that /lib/dhcpcd and not /lib64/dhcpcd ?) [00:14] when did your dyndns script run? not every time dhcpcd was called? [00:15] every time dhcpcd got a changed IP address [00:15] that would be a "BOUND" event which you can condition your hook on [00:16] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [00:16] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [00:17] hi, I just shared my Internet with a neighbor in our street. How can I limit bandwidth on the ethernet port? [00:17] rob0 not sure i am grok'ing your question though. if not, disregard. [00:18] sbs` (spookz@CPE0012170da58c-CM00080d961284.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] Oak, google traffic shaping [00:18] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/MwreF688.html -- see the last part of the "new" case. I need to run those two commands with a new IP. [00:19] MrTabl3t (~MrTablet@adsl-177-81-251.gsp.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:21] or man tc for a slightly terse document [00:21] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-157-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:21] /etc/dhcpcd.enter-hook does look like what I am looking for [00:21] and I'll need a case loop as you said [00:22] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.23.218.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:23] thanks mancha [00:24] BOUND, REBIND, and REBOOT cases, I think. [00:24] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-75-51-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] Hey all! [00:25] Is there a bit of a problem with the 13.1 torrent? I seem to see some seeds and peers, but I cant get any connections in or out. [00:25] MrTablet (~MrTablet@adsl-177-81-251.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] rob0: I thought you were asking questions to joke around. [00:25] REIND might not mean a new IP but then dyndns can ignore too [00:26] and isn't REBOOT redundant? [00:27] I am able to get other torrents, so I was hoping that someone could explain what's going on with the Slackware torrent. [00:27] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:27] arcfide someone else had problems in thapast few weeks i thinki the tracker he was using muight have been on the fritz, what's your error? [00:29] I'm not really getting any error that's being reported from the two clients I've tried. [00:29] They just sort of sit there. [00:29] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:29] Actually.... [00:29] one of the clients seems to be working. [00:30] Hrmm...must be some sort of fluke. [00:30] mac-_ (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:30] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [00:31] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:32] Oak, no problem :) [00:32] It did appear to take a very long time to work, though. [00:33] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] arcfide: which client did you use? [00:34] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [00:35] i had a hell of a time with bittorrent-curses and then switched to bittornado-curses [00:35] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-235.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:35] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Oh well, I'm just going to try it, and if it fails, I run my firewall & ddns manually. [00:36] btdownloadcurses.py rather [00:36] I was trying with Opera's BitTorrent client, and then I used Tomato on Mac OS X. [00:37] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] have you tried ktorrent or transmission>? [00:37] Can I do an in place upgrade on Slackware? I usually don't do that, but I've got a remote machine that I would like to upgrade like that if it is possible. [00:37] mancha: I'm familiar with Transmission, and I used Ktorrent once, but I don't have those installed right now. [00:38] arcfide, what do you mean? [00:38] arcfide, but probably the answer is "yes" [00:38] hiptobecubic: I have a Slackware machine that I want to upgrade without having to have terminal access to the machine. [00:38] just be careful, doing things remotely can always turn out badly. and require a physical trip. [00:38] Well, I can have them plug in a KVM/IP if I need to, but I would prefer not. [00:39] arcfide, what mancha said. but it can be done, sure. [00:39] Is it a documented, supported procedure? [00:39] arcfide, ssh + slackpkg ? [00:39] yes, people upgrade using slackpkg [00:39] I've only ever successfully done an upgrade like this with an OpenBSD machine, and they have very specific instructions. [00:39] Ack...that's...um, doable? [00:40] arcfide, i've done it many times. just be careful. don't uninstall ssh midsession [00:40] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:40] hiptobecubic: It doesn't remain in memory? [00:41] sure, as long as you don't have any problems or drop your connection [00:42] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:42] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] in what can only be described as irony, Safe.pm is vulnerable to a sploit :) [00:51] mancha: what isn't? :) [00:52] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:52] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Teratogen (~blah@67.40.69.102) left irc: Changing host [00:54] Teratogen (~blah@unaffiliated/teratogen) joined ##slackware. [00:54] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:56] arcfide: what you want is archlinux [00:56] :D [00:56] snL20: Get out of my sight. :-) [00:56] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] arcfide: ;) [00:56] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] snL20: I've just been discussing Suse Linux Enterprise (where I am currently sojourning) in #suse and I've suddenly realized that I want Slackware back. [00:57] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Be excellent to each other. [00:57] arcfide: hehe... yeah.. slackware is nice... I've been using archlinux for some time now though.. for a desktop it just makes sense... :) [00:58] snL20: Eh, not for my Desktop thankyouverymuch. [00:58] I am trying this: tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:10 htb rate 120kbit and getting "RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory" [00:58] arcfide: and its still got /etc/rc.d [00:58] arcfide: I just got tired of handcompiling everything [00:59] snL20: Eh, Slackbuilds are great. :-) [00:59] arcfide: sure... still time consuming though [00:59] mancha [00:59] That's true. [01:00] arcfide: if I really want to compile something using archlinux there is abs and pkgbuilds [01:01] arcfide: but being a rolling release things can break ... =) [01:05] is libcurl part of the more recent slackware? [01:05] nyRednek: hmmm... [01:05] snL20, there's always -current, the worst of both worlds :) [01:06] although -current is markedly more stable than arch's rolling [01:06] so i hear at least, i'm too lazy to test it [01:07] hiptobecubic: well I've had no real trouble with stability currently [01:07] Linux Faye 2.6.33-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 13 12:06:25 CEST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [01:08] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:08] hiptobecubic: the main problems i've had is things not working... [01:08] snL20, such as? [01:09] hiptobecubic: well sylpheed... cause gtkspell was broken I could suddenly not compose messages.. so I had to handcompile it without gtkspell support to get it working again [01:09] :) [01:09] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:10] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] well why was gtkspell broken? that seems like the real issue [01:10] hiptobecubic: I havent had any trouble like that lately though :) [01:10] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] snL20: yeah, it is...i just had to add it to slack 11 [01:11] hiptobecubic: yeah... I'm sure for the archlinux maintainers that's the real issue for me it was about having a working email client =) [01:11] snL20: it's a simple matter of grabbing the stuff from slackware-source and building it [01:11] nyRednek: ;) [01:11] Khratos (~jespinal@66.128.60.148) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:11] hmmm... [01:11] it seems it doesn't like my kernel [01:12] it wants asm/socket.h which doesn't appear to exist [01:13] nyRednek: wut ? [01:14] you dont have teh kernel headers ? [01:14] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.13.70) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [01:15] snL20: i have teh kernel headers [01:15] snL20: but it doesn't like my kernel headers [01:15] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.13.70) joined ##slackware. [01:16] /usr/include/asm/socket.h [01:17] I forgot my root password. [01:17] after 7 months. [01:17] haha. [01:18] sbs`: ok [01:18] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DCBF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] sbs`: boot the slackware install disc mount the root fs under /mnt and do chroot /mnt and passwd root [01:20] Khratos (~jespinal@66.128.60.148) joined ##slackware. [01:20] nader (~nader@85.133.205.32) joined ##slackware. [01:20] yea [01:21] I gotta find my disc again. [01:21] gonna use my bt disc instead [01:22] dumb me, ln -s asm-i386 asm [01:23] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-24-98.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:24] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:26] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:27] nyRednek: hehe [01:28] snL20: didn't work [01:28] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:30] nyRednek: what are you trying to compile ? [01:34] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Oak sounds like you tried to add a class without a qdisc [01:38] ugh,, QoS stuff ... [01:39] yes, mancha, I did it properly [01:39] you have now done it properly or you did and got the error anyways? [01:39] yes, I have done it properly now [01:39] but wait I need to ask a aquestion [01:40] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [01:40] Nick change: MrZhi -> zz_MrZhi [01:40] first I ran this: tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 60 then tc class add dev eth0 parent 1: classid 1:1 htb rate 120kbit then tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:10 htb rate 120kbit [01:41] all commands ran without any error, does that mean it is configured? [01:41] I did not recompiled my kernel to enable QoS or htb or anything [01:41] snL20: ok, got it fixed [01:41] just make sure you have CONFIG_RTNETLINK [01:41] snL20: i was compiling curl, which is a dependency of centerim [01:42] how do I check that? [01:42] sorry, they're showing a game on tv, i wanna watch [01:42] no problem [01:42] zgrep CONFIG_RTNETLINK /proc/config.gz [01:42] that'll tell you if it's in your kenel [01:42] thank you so much [01:42] it returned nothing [01:43] hrmm, maybe i misremember the config flag :( [01:44] nyRednek: curl was in slackware 10 I see [01:44] snL20: but centerim needs the version from 12 [01:45] snL20: rather, the newest centerim [01:45] nyRednek: aaah ok [01:45] snL20: so i updated to the version from 12...using a slackbuild [01:45] Oak thats't not it. i don't recall what the flag is, but i bet you have it [01:46] nyRednek: I use bitlbee [01:46] well, I asked because the speed on eth0 was around 30KB - 50 KB [01:46] snL20: yeah, but i don't like piping too much through irssi [01:46] Nick change: zz_MrZhi -> MrZhi [01:46] incoming speed [01:46] snL20: i'm actually the maintainer of the SBo for centerim [01:47] does sshd come with sshd2? [01:47] nyRednek: heh ok :) [01:47] gh0st: huh? [01:48] snL20: well, the SBo for centerim for 13.0 and 13.1 [01:48] gh0st, So you mean SSH Protocol 2? [01:48] im reading about sshd2 online, but my slackbox only has sshd1 installed i guess [01:48] gh0st: link ? [01:48] flash isn't working :/ [01:48] the ssh daemon [01:48] http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Configuring_SSH_Secure_Shell.html [01:48] dartmouth: I just updated my flash [01:49] Oak, it is stuff like CONFIG_NET_SCH_CBQ and NET_SCH_HTB [01:49] when my sshd starts, theres no 2 anywhere, and i was wondering if im using the wrong daemon [01:49] gotta run now. g'luck. will be on later. [01:49] thank you mancha [01:49] mancha: take care [01:50] snL20, i can't get it to load the controls even after moving libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [01:50] searched config file in text editot, says CONFIG_NET_SCH_CBQ=m CONFIG_NET_SCH_HTB=m [01:50] flashplugin 10.1.53.64-1 [01:51] dartmouth: what browser ? [01:51] firefox [01:51] 3.6 [01:51] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100121 Firefox/3.6 [01:52] gh0st, None of this is applicable for the SSH server used in Slack. Slackware uses OpenSSH [01:52] well then sorry for the noob question [01:52] im setting up a server for the first time [01:53] dartmouth: what does file /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so give you ? [01:53] /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped [01:53] dartmouth: 64-bit? You want to be using the 64-bit Flash beta Macromedia have somewhere on their site, using nswrapper the 32-bit version is more trouble than it's worth [01:53] im 32 bit [01:54] dartmouth: then why is your user agent saying x86_64? o_O [01:54] dartmouth: why didn't you just install flash via the slackbuild? it puts it in right place, and generally works [01:54] LSD`, no idea? [01:55] nyRednek, sbopkg doesn't know flash [01:55] dartmouth: really... [01:55] dartmouth: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html [01:56] dartmouth: it should. [01:56] dartmouth: multimedia/flash-player-plugin [01:56] dartmouth: it's there [01:56] well ill try that then before i mess with the 64b stuff [01:57] http://pastebin.ca/1881540 <-- oh look .. sbopkg finds flash. [01:57] dartmouth: well the 32bit flashplayer will only work in a 32 bit browser [01:57] dude youre gonna have to give me a break its been 7 months since ive used these tools :P [01:57] dartmouth: let me see .... [01:57] .. no. [01:57] BP{k}: i thought it was there...was there last time i looked [01:58] yay i have flash ^_^ [01:58] dartmouth, no breaks, time to RTFM and get familiar with the tools again. ;) [01:58] wtf i have no sound with this motherboard [01:59] dartmouth: I can let you download the 64 bit plugin from me if you want [01:59] annnnd alsamixer shows one dial [01:59] dartmouth: on a more serious note, what does: "ls -l /var/log/packages/aaa*" shows [01:59] dartmouth: should be as simple as copying the .so file in the right place I think [02:00] aaa_base-13.0-x86_64-2, aaa_elflibs-13.013-x86_64-1, aaa_terminfo-5.7-noarch-1 [02:00] BP{k}, ^ [02:00] [05:51] ( dartmouth) im 32 bit [02:00] *sigh* [02:01] dude whatever i installed this a loooong time ago. this must have been a test disk [02:01] BP{k}: hmmmm [02:02] hrm maybe i should reinstall, im having all kinds of issues here [02:02] no sound, nothing [02:02] dartmouth: what do you get if you do uname -m ? [02:03] i get "dead horse" [02:03] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:03] dartmouth: yeah.. you want to install windows 7 I think :D [02:04] snL20, or Ubuntu. ;) [02:04] i've often thought of making the switch. doing the exact same thing with the exact same quality of results and no reading at all would be nice ;) [02:04] Action: dartmouth looks at #ubuntu [02:05] dartmouth: archlinux is what i'm currently using btw [02:05] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:05] thats nice, gtfo lol [02:05] dartmouth: pacman is the stuff :D [02:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:06] (:< o o o o o o o o o o [02:06] well that's the first time I have seen 'uname -m' give that kind of information. [02:07] i cant get this to detect my onboard sound [02:07] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] dartmouth: do you have alsaconf ? [02:07] yeah and it detects it [02:08] dartmouth: no worky ? [02:08] yeah no audio [02:08] dartmouth: alsamixer ? [02:08] and only one slider in alsamixer for 'master' [02:08] dartmouth: weirdness ... maybe you need ossv4 [02:09] dartmouth: did you check the md5sum of the cd ? [02:09] snL20, http://pastebin.ca/1881543 [02:10] and this is my dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1881545 [02:11] hmmm ati ? =) [02:11] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:11] i see all kinds of stuff ive never seen in a dmesg too lol [02:11] (new mobo) [02:11] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:12] snL20: Only real option for AMD systems. Another reason to stick with Intel, heh [02:12] let me guess, this is a driver issue from ati.... [02:13] LSD`: yeah... I dont like amd :) [02:14] dartmouth: Doubtful. I have much the same setup here (although on a different distro) and it all works fine [02:16] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=hwz&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=slackware+SBx00&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= [02:16] seems theres two audio devices, and one isn't being detected, but the one i dont and cant use is [02:17] One should be the normal board codec and the other the one for HDMI audio through the IGP/GPU [02:17] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [02:18] I think the "SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)" is the onboard and the "Device aa58" is the hdmi [02:18] On my board, the former is handled through the snd_had_codec_realtek driver and the latter snd_hda_codec_atihdmi [02:18] and my alsamixer is doing it for the aa58 instead of the sbx00 [02:19] dartmouth: modprobe snd_hda_intel... [02:19] I dont know =) [02:20] i did and it did nothing which is good lol [02:20] dartmouth: heh ok :) [02:20] doing alsaconf again, selecting the SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [02:21] annnd nothin [02:21] hello [02:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:22] how can I check i.e. by bash or perl script that my wifi connection is still active ? [02:22] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [02:22] iwlist? [02:22] I mean as regular user [02:22] dartmouth: try modprobe snd_hda_codec_realtek [02:23] hm but when it won`t I have to change to root to up network again [02:23] LSD`, it shows i have the module [02:23] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:23] but no sound playing on the youtube video [02:23] mac-: what you dont want to do is suid root the iwlist [02:23] :D [02:23] iwlist will show all networks around [02:24] I wish to check that my connection is still active [02:24] mac-: ping !? [02:24] I have situation where my wifi networkis very weak, then it like to crash almost every day [02:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:25] mac-, yeah you could use regexp in perl from the output of iwconfig to get the gateway and then ping it [02:25] and I often lost connection to remote machine [02:25] perl script started by cron for some interval ? :) [02:25] mac-: look into wicd. [02:26] yeah wicd is nice... [02:26] dartmouth: No idea if it helps, but this is what I have loaded here and it all works: http://pastebin.ca/1881547 [02:26] why didnt I think of that immediatly =) [02:26] wish do that with perl to have some excercise with him :D [02:28] like now this f*** wifi is down and I`ve lost connection to remote [02:28] dartmouth: modules being loaded but no sound is what I always got when I hadnt ran alsaconf... =) [02:28] dartmouth: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-570442.html [02:28] dartmouth: on another note [02:29] mac-: you know #perl is a good place for this I guess [02:29] nader (~nader@85.133.205.32) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:29] rwentlol (~rudolf@124-169-84-92.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:30] mac-: also check search.cpan.org [02:31] Axius (~fd@92.82.68.3) joined ##slackware. [02:31] but my question waqs that, if there is any point in Linux where can I check wifi connection activity (/sys ??? /proc ???) instead grepping iwconfig output every time :) [02:31] mac-: well there is prolly a cpan module that does that for you [02:32] :) [02:32] k [02:32] I will ask on [02:32] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:32] #perl [02:32] :) [02:32] thx [02:33] Action: dartmouth uses slackpkg to upgrade alsa [02:34] rwentlol (rudolf@124-169-84-92.dyn.iinet.net.au) left ##slackware. [02:34] mac-: in fact it only took me 2 seconds to find Net::Link [02:36] ok, ok ... don`t beat me :) [02:36] Action: snL20 slaps mac- around a bit with a huge tricycle [02:37] ;p [02:37] ;) [02:40] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:42] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] man I gotta get some usb 3.0 stuff =) [02:43] i have usb3 ports but nothing to use them with lol [02:44] USB 3.0 will good enough only for mobile HDD [02:44] :> [02:45] I thin your mouse will not feel any improvement when change to USB 3.0 :D [02:45] think* [02:46] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:46] mac-: hehe.. yeah.. I was thinkig of an external hd of course [02:46] USB 3.0 shows some impressive speed boosts for hard drives, but nothing I don't think is possible with eSATA as it is [02:46] mac-, i want a usb3 light [02:47] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] usb3 = pci express [02:47] my haqrdware is little old ;p [02:47] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:47] only PCI 2.2 onboard [02:48] usb3 has a bizarre connector. [02:48] they needed to add pins for usb3, but the way they added them is odd. [02:48] then again, there probably was no other way to do it, but still.. [02:48] Azalyn: The USB3 part of the connector is optical I believe, it had to be "bizarre" to add that while still retaining compatibility with USB2 [02:49] it's not optical... [02:49] where did you hear that? [02:49] oh, in one machine have only PCI 2.1 ;p [02:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:50] Azalyn: I thought I read it on a site somewhere. Whatever it is, the 3 pins are seperate from the 2 pins [02:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [02:53] http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/usb301.jpg [02:53] http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/medium/2008/01/usb_3_4.jpg [02:54] that is USB3 [02:54] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:54] and here is the 'B' connector. http://www.3dnews.ru/_imgdata/img/2008/11/17/103141.jpg [02:55] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [02:56] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] ok, so uhhh.... sun dried tomato alfredo sauce, a slice of ham, lettuce, and a dash of mustard between two slices of bread is better than usb 5.0 [02:59] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:00] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [03:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:03] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:06] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:06] crocket1 (~quassel@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [03:11] frankd (1003@cpe-24-161-9-57.hvc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:11] crocket1 (~quassel@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Quitting [03:12] Axius (~fd@92.82.68.3) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:15] edthix (~ed@115.135.182.147) joined ##slackware. [03:20] pejman (~root@188.34.71.111) joined ##slackware. [03:21] did you hear something about machines with Loongsoon CPUs ? [03:21] this china MIPS [03:21] dartmouth: you know you want the usb 3 :D [03:21] not Xburst [03:21] dartmouth: I am so getting a 1tb western digital external with usb 3 when I get my next paycheck [03:21] =) [03:22] Slayer (~slayer@71.16.143.71) left irc: [03:23] rahulrp (~rahul@p57B05514.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] morning all [03:23] moin get [03:24] mac-: that sounds like an asian prostitute [03:24] I have eSATA, so I can live without USB 3 until my next system upgrade :) [03:25] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt2-port-160.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [03:25] LSD`: yeah... you're not gonna see any difference between the 2 untill drives that are faster are cheaper... thinking ssd's [03:25] crocket1 (~quassel@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [03:26] moinsens rahulrp [03:26] LSD`: I have a new computer though.. so usb 3 it is :) [03:27] any one have any idea how to get existing windows installation running in virtualbox, i have tried creating a vhd image and adding it as a new hard disk in virtualbox, however i get a bsod after the win logo, and a reboot [03:27] I also want to wait until it's integrated into south bridges instead of the PCIe implementations in place now [03:28] Does anybody know a good GUI irc client that implements the server-client model? [03:28] rahulrp, the only thing what i should try is, making a vdi img, and then clone the whole "installed" partition to the new vdi.img [03:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:28] Quassel is quite without lots of features that xchat has. [03:29] how do i make a vdi img? [03:29] and how do i clone it to the vdi img? [03:29] vdi image is those what virtualbox does [03:29] clone the hd to vdi image is easy [03:30] as first you have to mount the image [03:30] once mounted, [03:30] clone the partition to the "image" using dd [03:30] wait wait.... how do i create the image? [03:31] rahulrp : Read virtualbox manual. It's there. [03:31] virtualbox manual is one of the most thorough manuals [03:32] VBoxManage createhd --filename NAME --size MB --format vdi --variant fixed [03:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:32] the rest, is all shown using VBoxManage --help [03:32] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:32] get : That's not gonna clone a hard disk [03:33] There is a command that directly clones a harddisk into a vdi image. [03:33] I don't remember exactly. [03:33] And you better unmount the partition you want to clone. [03:33] crocket1, yes! [03:33] i didnt remember [03:34] you're right [03:34] mm [03:34] there was another way [03:34] making with dd a partition img and then convert this .img to .vdi [03:34] rahulrp: Just peruse the table of the contents of virtualbox manual. [03:35] okies... [03:35] get : Clonezilla is better than dd in cloning harddisks. [03:35] or imaging them. [03:36] Unless you're an expert or know what you're doing, dd will destroy your harddisk. [03:37] wait, should i use vboxmanage or dd or both ? [03:37] In this case, VBoxMange only can manage it. [03:37] Don't use dd [03:38] Using dd to copy your disk into a file and converting the image to a vdi is like doing the same thing twice. [03:38] VBoxManage will directly make a vdi image from your unmounted partition or disk. [03:38] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:39] rahulrp: The right place to ask would be #vbox. [03:39] crocket1 (~quassel@121.168.91.143) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:40] crocket (~quassel@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [03:40] crocket (~quassel@121.168.91.143) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:46] pnq (asdf@AC843A51.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:46] get, can you throw some light on the other way you were talking about cause this vboxmanage createhd and then clonehd does not work [03:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [03:50] ahahaha [03:51] i put 3 western digital 120JB/BBs in RAID-0, and holy crap its still abysmal performance [03:51] barely on par with a WD10EADS :( [03:51] and thats with 3x~20GB partitions to try to reduce seek times [03:52] Ah, gigabit ethernet.... [03:52] I love being able to transfer a DVD ISO from one machine to another in under five minutes. [03:53] i think you need 10gbe [03:54] ;) [03:54] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:57] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [03:57] frankd: i've copied about 60gb in 18minutes =) [03:57] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [04:00] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [04:01] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-57.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:02] snL20, yea but think about it.. thatd be 1.8 minutes with 10gbe :) [04:02] frankd: well I'd need a faster hd :D [04:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:03] snL20, not much faster.. thats only 120MB/s.. most new hard drives can get right around that speed :) [04:04] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [04:04] my drive setup reads @ 590MB/S and writes at 100MB/s haha [04:04] ugh i think i need new SSDs :) [04:04] frankd: eh I get about 80 from my western digital black 1tb drive [04:04] though its nice using 3 Intel X25-Vs, since you get a LOT of cache [04:04] helps with write latency with 3 drives having big caches haha [04:04] frankd: ssd's are too expensive [04:04] :) [04:04] like $110 for a 40GB X25-V, granted its terrible for $/GB [04:05] but man, system responsiveness went through the roof [04:05] made a bigger difference doing than than going from an X2 5200+ to an AMD 940 [04:05] frankd: yeah.... mlc gen 2 ? [04:05] yeah [04:05] its an 80GB X25-M G2 with 1/2 as many flash chips, so less throughput [04:05] but it still rocks like 64MB of cache [04:06] frankd: I'm thinking slc drives... but they're expensive as hell and small =) [04:06] i just bought one a month for 3 months so i didnt feel like a dick spending $400 on 120GB of storage [04:06] yeah, well SLC is great cause they can withstand more writes before failure [04:06] but thats not really an issue unless youre doing heavy database work [04:07] frankd: they work fine for linux then ? was thinking log writes would fuck them up [04:07] naitso (~naitso@host205-63-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:07] hi [04:07] they work great [04:08] frankd: ok cool... I might get one to use as a system drive then :D [04:08] and ive had them since they came out in my "daily usage PC" with no issues [04:08] i did them with fakeraid raid0 so i could do Win7 (gaming) + linux dual boot, but i think if you do an md raid instead TRIM would work [04:08] not 100% sure on that, but its more likely to work that way than through dmraid [04:08] frankd: I'm actually using a 120gb ide drive for the os.. I must be crazy =) [04:09] hehe yeah im using 3 WD 120GB IDE drives in RAID0 in this box, i used to use them in EVERYTHING years ago [04:09] so i still had 3 good ones laying around haha [04:09] frankd: lol [04:09] the RAID0 performance is PATHETIC lol [04:09] frankd: yeah this is a wd too [04:10] seek times are like ~10ms even with 20GB partitions on the outer edges, i was trying to cut seek times.... didnt really help much [04:10] and they only push like 40mb/s per drive [04:10] i wouldve been way better off just spending $40 on a 320GB SATA drive haha [04:10] but eh, they were sitting there rotting so i figured id give it a try for fun.. and it was better than the 8.4GB system drive i had beofre [04:10] Liquid-Silence (~Liquid-Si@about/csharp/regular/liquid-silence) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:11] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:12] Hi, one little question, i try to install slackware 13.1 with LUKS+LVM. How many time i must waiting for the command dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdaX on 100Gb partition space? My laptop i recent, it is normally that i am waiting about 2 hour? [04:12] frankd: what ssd do you recommend ? [04:12] Liquid-Silence (~Liquid-Si@196.38.131.20) joined ##slackware. [04:12] pejman (root@188.34.71.111) left ##slackware. [04:13] snl20: i dont know what the new controllers are like, but the intel drives are really good [04:13] avoid the earlier jmicron etc based drives, theyre terrible.. big stuttering problems, and that will make your whole system stutter [04:14] i know OCZ has some halfway decent drives, but the really new stuff.. youd have to look at some reviews on [04:14] i chose the X25-V because they were cheap, had an intel controller and good random performance even if their peak throughput sucks [04:14] The Intel X25-M is still one of the better SSDs on the market. Prices fluctuate wildly though [04:14] 130MB/s, 30-40MB/s write speeds [04:14] yeah, didnt marvell or someone just come out with a good controller though? [04:15] and 2 X25-Vs in RAID-0 will usually outperform a single X25-M.. and at the same cost, the extra cache helps [04:15] not that theres anything wrong with an X25-M at all, just seemed like a better idea to me for the same $$ [04:15] I have no idea, I'm still waiting for prices to get a little better (and I have an SATA controller capable of doing such nice drives justice instead of this shitty AMD one I have now) before I go for an SSD [04:15] well honestly [04:16] i have a shitty AMD770 motherboard [04:16] and i have almost 100% theoretical throughput performance with the onboard SATA controller [04:16] has *0* problems pushing 390mb/s, and ive read the whole RAID with dd iflag=odirect and gotten that number [04:17] and my random performance was pretty good too, but it did some weird stuff with a few block sizes [04:17] i think like if i tried to benchmark with 4/8/16k reads, 8k was LOWER then 4/16 or something [04:17] rahulrp (rahul@p57B05514.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:17] overall, i was happy with the performance for the investment.. though it wouldve been nice to have a real raid card, ive been poor for a while :) [04:18] although i did have to patch dmraid to get it to work :\ [04:18] frankd: i'm looking at this... http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=490463 [04:19] try and find out which flash controller it uses [04:19] and whatever you do, ignore peak throughput numbers.. that says nothing about random performance or stuttering [04:20] ahh its the samsung controller, i dont know much about its characteristics off the top of my head unfortunately :\ [04:20] although samsung claims its "stutter free" [04:21] That's where AMDs controllers fall over, they can't keep up with higher transaction rates. If I had known that when I was trying to decide between keeping my board and buying a Phenom II and trashing the lot and going for a Q9550, then I would have gone for the Q9550 in a heartbeat. To this day I wish I had. [04:21] frankd: well... I havnt had much bad experience with samsung products in the past... [04:21] LSD`, they fall over at 400mb/s? or? [04:22] oh wait no, nevermind, my raid is *570*mb/s, not 400 - my bad [04:22] it was 390 with two drives [04:22] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:22] frankd: well I have an intel pc not amd =) [04:23] although the windows benchmarking software i used ALWAYS shows a sawtooth and big falloff with SSDs+RAID, but i think thats a fault of how the software was written [04:23] as dd showed me good performance, and so did bonnie [04:24] whatever you do, just dont get an indilinx/jmicron based drive [04:25] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:25] im doing some reading now.. the samsung controller doesnt look bad, but not as good as intel's controller [04:26] frankd: the intel ssds dont look to hot for write speed... [04:26] tbh write speed is not that important for most applications [04:27] it depends on what you want to do.. a database server? yeah youd probably want to either raid intel drives or use a samsung controller based drive [04:27] frankd: well.. if I put swap space on it wont it make a difference ? [04:27] but even then youd probably want something better than consumer SSDs [04:27] read speed is more important for swap imo [04:27] frankd: well the corsair drive aint bad right ? =) [04:27] and how much does your system swap? i run 4-8GB of RAM and no swap on my linux boot, never have an issue [04:28] no, i wouldnt say its bad.. just not as good for reads/random performance as intel, which is important [04:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:28] linux likes to use extra ram for file cache, which you dont really need if you have fast SSDs [04:29] so if you were gonna use swap, thats fine, but id set swappiness down to 0 to encourage it to keep important data in RAM and use as little as possible for file cache [04:29] frankd: do you have to tweak that somehow ? [04:29] yeah, you can change your swappiness value in /proc/vm/swappiness [04:29] just echo "0" > /proc/vp/swappiness [04:29] or 10 [04:29] some low value [04:30] that will encourage linux to NOT swap program data out and encourage it to use as little as possible for filecache [04:30] frankd: The AMD controllers can't deliever the same kind of IOP rates as virtually everyone elses. It's not that big a deal on mechanical drives, but I don't feel right putting a drive capable of tends of thousands of IOPS on a controller only able to sustain a relatively small fraction of that, especially when other controllers are able to handle a much larger fraction given the prices I'm paying for the drives [04:30] LSD`, yes thats true AMD fails a little in IOPS, but it depends on your intended usage.. a benchmark doesnt mean a real world improvement [04:30] frankd: eh I dont have a /proc/vm [04:30] i fully admit the ICH controllers are better for iops [04:31] snL20: sorry its /sys/vm/swappiness [04:31] frankd: /proc/sys/vm ? [04:31] frankd: yeah found it :D [04:31] er proc/sys/vm/swappiness :) [04:32] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:32] frankd: heh its like 60 now... I have 4 gb ram though =) [04:32] yeah 60 is the standard setting [04:32] They're better for CPU usage and overall throughput too. It's not just SATA performance they fall behind in too, but PCIe and USB performance isn't as good on AMD chipsets as it is on Intels either [04:32] which is reasonable in many cases [04:33] LSD`, also true - but im not too concerned about USB throughput or CPU usage.. nor am i too worried about PCIe performance [04:33] am i really going to see an improvement in performance with a GTX260 during gaming with better PCIe performance? i dont think so [04:33] frankd: but I should only use it if I get an ssd right ? =) [04:34] snL20: honestly i even set it to a very low value even with crappy spinning disks [04:34] but thats for a desktop system, it gives me improved responsiveness [04:34] and ive never had a problem with reduced filecache watching HD Video etc [04:35] frankd: In low end systems this isn't an issue, but when you're paying the same or not much less for an AMD board as an equivalent Intel board it's hardly worth it [04:35] http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=766&type=expert&pid=4 might want to check that out [04:35] LSD: in my experience "equivalent" AMD boards are MUCH cheaper than their Intel counterparts [04:35] frankd: I'm gonna go with this http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=586431 I think :) [04:35] and AMD CPUs are still much better performance/price at most price levels [04:36] frankd: heh, when was the last time you checked? Core 2/Nehalem pretty much killed AMDs advantage on both those fronts [04:36] and i have no problem with my USB/PCIe performance in a gaming machine even with a "crappy" AMD board [04:36] LSD: what compares to a Propus in the sub $100 price range for multitasking? [04:37] and whats it take to beat my $130 AMD 940 in real world applications? [04:37] a $130 Clarkdale [04:37] and if you were talking about video transcoding... i use a CUDA H264 encoder, which makes the CPU a moot point :) [04:38] sub-$100 is the only area where AMD are still genuinely competitive. Above that though, Intel have them on the ropes. [04:38] any idea? [04:38] when i bought my AMD 940 almost a year ago @ $130, there was nothing Intel had in that price range that was performance competitive in the tasks that i do [04:38] i have a GeForce GTX 470 1280MB PhysX [04:38] an i7 920 was over $200 at that point [04:39] im still rockin my GTX260 for now ;) [04:39] frankd: hehe... I just got a new computer :] [04:39] haha yeah this machine is getting a little dated, but it does everything i need it to do VERY well [04:40] and im poor now, so i probably wont see a machine upgrade for a while [04:40] although i just replaced the 9600GSO 96 core in my linux machine with a GeForce 210 since it has VP4 [04:40] When I bought my 940, the Q9550 was only AUD$50 more expensive. I went for the AMD because even though the Intel was the much better chip, it required spending AUD$180 (only AUD$60 or so more than I paid for the AMD board) on a new mobo which didn't seem worth it. If I'd known the AMD chipsets weren't worth hanging on to at the time then I would havew bought the Q9550 no questions asked. [04:41] doesnt the 9400 beat the 9550 in some areas? [04:41] and then the Intel board was MUCH more expensive [04:41] and i already had an AM2+ motherboard [04:41] er ^ 940 not 9400 [04:41] Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz [04:41] btw [04:41] :) [04:42] The 9550 beat the 940, but at the time of all the 940 reviews it was much more expensive. After those reviews came out though, Intel tanked the price making it a better pick than the 940 [04:42] yea but the 940 went into a $55 motherboard [04:42] whatd you need for a 9550? :P [04:43] and did the 9550 use DDR3? [04:44] If I had bought it all at the same time, it'd only have cost me about AUD$110 extra to go for the 9550 over the 940, which was nothing. Spending AUD$180 after I'd already spent AUD$125 was tough to justify and I umm'ed and ahh'ed over it for two weeks before finally going for the 940. If I'd had all the facts at the time it would have made the decision (to go Intel) a lot easier. [04:45] well if youre on a budget, and you save $100-$150 on mobo/cpu going AMD.. thats a lot of extra $$ to spend on a video card :) [04:46] ...the only reason I bought the $125 mobo was because I thought my Athlon XP was going to melt into its socket. Had I known all it needed was its HSF replaced, I'd never have bought the AMD gear to begin with [04:48] frankd: The money was there to buy the CPU and the new motherboard it required, I just got hung up on the idea that the mobo was worth keeping [04:49] err [04:50] q9550 is currently $278 [04:50] did they go up? :P [04:50] 940 is $125 [04:50] bacal (~si@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:52] I don't think they've gone up as much as they haven't come down. Everything else has come down around them, but since everyone's selling back stock, they haven't had any reason to drop the price. If I was buying now though, I'd be looking at the i5-750 [04:53] Even the i7-860 is cheaper now than what I paid for my 940 [04:53] LSD: yeah, at the time i got my AMD 940 for $130, it was like $20 off on sale [04:54] `Assassin (~blank@71-8-56-51.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:54] <`Assassin> I'm interested in Slackware. How do I know if it's right for me? [04:54] pim_ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:55] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-75-51-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:58] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:59] bacal (~si@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:59] goarilla (~kjp@91.176.123.40) joined ##slackware. [04:59] goarilla (~kjp@91.176.123.40) left irc: Client Quit [05:00] `Assassin: read the book slackware essential, but the only way is to trying [05:10] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [05:10] erkax (~erkax@77.109.112.156) joined ##slackware. [05:10] Hi everybody [05:10] alienBOB: do you still have vlc-1.1.0.rc-i486-2alien.txz on your server? RC2 segfaults on me [05:10] darn I wish I kept a copy of the this rc :( [05:10] LSD`.. yeah, cheaper *now* can only compare at equal points in time :P [05:11] thats like saying an X3 Rana 435 is cheaper than an AMD 4000+ San Diego from years ago :) [05:11] frankd: When I bought the 940 there was only AUD$50 between it and the 9550, well worth the advantages in performance and power efficiency [05:12] power efficiency? the 9950 and 940 are pretty close in power efficiency, especially when you consider theyll both sit idle 90% of the time :D [05:13] 940 has a 125W TDP and is slower than the 9550 at 95W [05:13] anyone using VLC? [05:13] TDP is not really meaningful [05:13] and AMD and Intel rate TDP differently [05:14] True, but even in testing the AMDs tend to be less power efficient than Intel, especially now Intel can fully shut off inactive cores in Nehalem [05:14] yeah but the 9550 wasnt nehalem was it? :P [05:15] bacal (~si@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:15] i j k l ~ The Prodigy - The Fat Of The Land - Smack My Bitch Up [Length: 5:43] ~ l k j i [05:16] ahhh I found a copy of the old version: http://www.kiroff.org/slackware/packages/vlc-1.1.0.rc-i486-1alien.txz [05:16] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-57.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:17] Xgates: eww [05:17] Spotify » Prodigy - Invaders Must Die [05:17] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:17] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [05:18] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:18] frankd: Yeah, but even so performance/watt was still better with Intel [05:19] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [05:23] C00re: ;) [05:25] jimmyz80 (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:25] bacal (~si@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:25] Having trouble making my sound work. [05:27] sloinn (~a@77.93.201.43) joined ##slackware. [05:28] guys where to startup a service at boot time which needs env variables set in rc.profiles/* ? [05:29] I was starting everything from etc/rc.d/rc.local [05:29] there is no rc.profiles [05:29] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] rc.local is the local action-on-start script [05:30] sorry [05:30] etc/profile.d/* [05:30] anybody having regressions with new intel driver? [05:30] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:31] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [05:31] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:31] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-172.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:31] MrZhi, I have my env variable set in there, but apps started from within etc/rc.d/rc.local do not see them yet [05:32] but it seems weird to me, because it is obviously other way around [05:33] for instance this one: sudo -u lisak /opt/atlassian-jira-enterprise-4.1.1-standalone/bin/startup.sh [05:33] doesn't have $JAVA_HOME set when it is started [05:33] from rc.local [05:37] Try that with "su - -c /opt/... " [05:37] Try that with "su - lisak -c /opt/... " [05:38] pipes (~pipes@fsf/member/pipes) joined ##slackware. [05:39] rworkman, thank you, what was the effect of that one ? [05:39] Sourcing /etc/profile [05:40] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.253) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:42] I was kinda used that su is for login session and sudo for interactive shell ... maybe that's why I've always had problems with these things :) [05:47] damn, I had a pretty bad surprise: I recreated a package and installed it and it borked my sytem: I had a umask in effect and /usr, /usr/lib64 and a few others were 750 in the package [05:47] so when I installed it, my /usr turned 750... [05:47] (chmod) [05:48] Changing root's umask is just a bad idea. [05:49] (but I guess you know that now) :) [05:49] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] yeah, but I wasn't root when I created the package, I didn't pay attention and... [05:49] root's umask is still default [05:50] Action: adrien whips himself [05:50] :) [05:50] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.148.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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[07:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:48] and why do you need to control the fans? [07:49] don't use your laptop on your lap [07:50] MrTablet (~MrTablet@adsl-177-81-251.gsp.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:53] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:54] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [07:54] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [07:55] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [07:55] I use slackware64 13.1 and bash 4.1.7, provided with 13.1. [07:55] When I type a long line, bash doesn't wrap lines corretly, and two lines overlap. [07:56] Does it happen to other slackware64 13.1 users? [07:56] It doesn't always happen ,but it happens several times a day. [07:56] also happens for new, fresh and clean terminals? [07:56] I don't know when it happens. [07:56] try 'reset' [07:56] Isn't it only a temporary solution? [07:57] I want it to disappear forever. [07:57] something has polluted your terminal, reset will clean it, but if that thing pollutes your terminal again, it'll happen again [07:57] the solution is to remove the source of pollution [07:58] crocket: is your terminal 80x24 or did you make it bigger? [07:58] hmm? [07:58] The terminal size gets adjusted according to the window size. [07:58] It's a lot bigger than 80x24 since my screen resolution is 1280x1024. [07:59] which terminal emulator? [07:59] Konsole and XFCE terminal [07:59] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:59] It happens in both XFCE and KDE [07:59] just because it looks big, does't mean it's still not 80x24 [08:00] The size is 95x31 right now [08:00] as ang said, when you resize, it can cause problems but I hope these two do it right [08:00] i've seen your issue before when i make the terminal larger sometimes, even on much older versions of bash [08:01] but i always use xterm, never the WM's terminal app [08:02] sloinn (~a@77.93.201.43) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:02] I'll check shopt -s checkwinsize is set next time the problem happens. [08:02] ang : Does xterm support ttf fonts? [08:03] Does it happen to other slackware users? [08:03] It may be related to the distro [08:03] or to the moon phase [08:03] xterm supports ttf fonts, I used to use DejaVuSansMono in xterm [08:04] the moon phase? [08:04] Are you referring to a natural phenomenon? [08:04] it's not really a big deal...typing 'reset' i think should resolve it [08:04] no [08:04] The problem is that it happens. [08:05] reset wouldn't make it go forever. [08:05] my perfectionism doesn't allow it. [08:05] it won't never be flawless [08:05] you can break most terminal with a call to 'echo' anyway [08:06] adrien : Bash never broke in ubuntu. [08:06] I just moved from ubuntu weeks ago [08:06] Now it breaks several times a day. [08:06] bash hasn't broked in slackware for months and I use it a lot [08:06] maybe a dozen. [08:06] for months? [08:07] (actually zsh now but point still stands) [08:07] Did it break before? [08:07] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:07] actually, *that* problem hasn't happened in years [08:07] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:07] it sometimes happens [08:07] I never saw it happen before starting to use slackware although I started using linux mainly since several months ago. [08:08] pay attention to what triggers this and when you've found it, tell us [08:08] I think slackware's bash patches could be a cause. [08:09] slackware bash patches would cause a problem and ubuntu's patches wouldn't? xD [08:09] crocket: IT HAPPENS [08:10] adrien : I told you as I saw. [08:10] crocket: IT HAPPENS TO ALL TERMINALS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, IT'S BOUND TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER [08:10] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:10] not several times a day. [08:11] it's really not worth investing the time in to figuring it out [08:11] It is to me [08:11] johndee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:11] It's an obstacle that I need to concentrate for hours or days. [08:12] howdy [08:12] It does not happen to other users, and that is because you probably echo characters to your terminal at some time that cause it to feel woozy [08:12] crocket: ^^^ [08:13] I don't know if echo xxx caused problems. [08:13] i've had it happen, but i don't consider it a life altering experience :) [08:13] My terminal only starts misbehaving if I do thinga like "cat somebinary" [08:13] It's altering my linux life. [08:13] I feel like a failure when it happens. [08:13] If it disrupts your psyche so much crocket then perhaps ubuntu is better for you [08:14] alienBOB : ubuntu has other problems. [08:14] Its dependencies are tangled too much. [08:14] Indeed. [08:14] I can't control what to install or remove freely and feel like a failure, too. [08:15] alienBOB: greetz [08:15] Maybe I should repackage bash on my machine. [08:16] Repackaging saved some packages. [08:16] crocket: if you want to solve that problem, you need to find out what causes it, what is the last thing that happens before the problem arises [08:17] adrien : It seems to happen randomly. [08:17] nvision (~nvision@217.237.166.206) joined ##slackware. [08:19] mihaylov (~mihaylov@77-85-139-105.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. 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[08:32] hi [08:35] hello [08:36] i emerge [08:36] hiya [08:36] :) [08:36] :) [08:37] tino27 (~tino27@cpe-24-93-180-242.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:37] ang: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/laptop-overheating-813590/ [08:39] no idea [08:39] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:39] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [08:45] pejman (~root@188.34.71.111) joined ##slackware. [08:46] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:46] pejman (root@188.34.71.111) left ##slackware. 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[09:38] GuLdUn, what is after the failed?(i.e. 550 failed to change directory or 550 Failed to open file)....usually,550 refers to user permissions [09:39] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:39] MLanden, i tried to move a folder into another and overwrite some stuff [09:39] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.253) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:41] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:43] GuLdUn (~Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:43] mcury (~mcury@189.24.130.176) joined ##slackware. [09:45] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:46] cypherpunko (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] whew had power failure [09:47] ? [09:49] dude here is 34 degrees, i live on a rooftop , my laptop , ( the poor thing) suffers a lot [09:49] what do you use in linux to recover delted files from a FAT/NTFS SD card? [09:49] power failures have become an week thing [09:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:51] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [09:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:52] ok downloaded .deb package now the question is how to install it [09:53] Azeotrope, wonder if lsof can be used....linux.com had an article http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/58142 [09:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:57] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:58] mcury (~mcury@189.24.130.176) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:58] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [09:59] I repackaged bash 4.1 using slackware's bash slackbuild. [09:59] And reinstalled it. [09:59] I hope it would work fine from now on. [09:59] wicd-client has gone wrong, too. [10:00] When I press connect button, wicd client python script stops responding, and the cpu consumption by it goes to 100%. [10:00] I believe it's caused by new python packages. [10:00] I have to repackage wicd. [10:00] o__O [10:00] Repackaging saved many packages. [10:01] Action: rachael bangs the head into the keyboard over samba [10:01] This time I just need to execute the slackbuild. [10:03] mihaylov, usually,deb packages are compressed with ar...easy is to make a folder and move the deb file to it..cd to the folder and ar x NAME.deb [10:03] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:03] mihaylov you might find item at http://is.gd/cMIhb of some use (re: deb packages) [10:04] mihaylov, try googling for deb2tgz [10:04] nvision (~nvision@217.237.166.206) joined ##slackware. [10:07] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:08] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. 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[10:22] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:24] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] crocket, are you using gtk-kde4? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/desktop/gtk-kde4/ [10:25] yes [10:25] MLanden : no [10:25] I use gtk-qt engine [10:25] gtk-qt engine is a lot better than gtk-kde4 [10:25] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] ok [10:26] as far as I know [10:26] I am not sure about this [10:30] Buuntu (~Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) joined ##slackware. [10:30] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:31] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:31] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421595.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:35] Agiofws, find any good console games for your distro? [10:35] Unbelievable, firefox still has "firefox is still running" bug? [10:36] I have no wonder why firefox has a smaller market share than IE. [10:36] MLanden: console? sure: robots =) [10:36] MLanden, yeah [10:36] because people like my mom doesn't know what firefox is (or internet explorer I guess) [10:36] pacman and donkey king [10:36] kong* [10:37] thrice`: mine calls IE the "blue 'e'" [10:38] donkey kong for console? [10:38] thrice`: "don't know and probably don't care either, right"? [10:39] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:39] BP{k}, only when hotmail.com doesn't resolve, I guess :> [10:39] adrien, good choice..oldie but goodie...;) [10:40] I found out that "shopt -u checkwinsize" is the default. [10:40] It must have been specified somewhere else. [10:40] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Some slackware dev tries to tease us. [10:41] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:41] It's a bad default. [10:41] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Check if you have "shopt -u checkwinsize" by typing "shopt -p". Do any of you have "shopt -u checkwinsize" set and have no problem with bash line wrappings? [10:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:47] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:47] No volunteer? [10:47] Axius (~fd@92.84.7.164) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:47] its not set here. so its pebkac again [10:48] sahko : It's not pebkac. It is slackware default. [10:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:48] no its not [10:48] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [10:48] find the file where this is set since you say so [10:48] sahko : What is the value of checkwinsize when you type "shopt -p"? [10:49] find the file where this is set since you say so [10:49] You don't have to repeat the exact same sentence. [10:49] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:49] excuse me [10:50] It would appreciate if anyone tests it. [10:50] maybe its set by default in bash? [10:51] sahko : I'm searching the harddisk with find. [10:51] sahko : Can I know the value of checkwinsize on your machine? [10:52] shopt -u means its unset. i set it explicitly on my .bashrc [10:52] with -s [10:52] sahko : Was it -u before doing it? [10:52] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [10:52] yes. by thats not "a bad default" made by Slackware [10:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] its a bash default [10:53] what are you doing [10:53] crocket: so... just add one line to your profile? [10:53] sahko : Why would bash people do that? [10:53] It's leading to incorrect line wrappings. [10:53] google chrome have a .deb and .rpm package , but not a tar [10:53] because [10:53] deftones [10:54] v4nelle (~van@79.107.243.180) joined ##slackware. [10:54] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:54] crocket: defaults are intirely subjective. as long as theres an option to change em everyone is happy [10:54] Nobody likes incorrect line wrappings. [10:54] Maybe majochists would [10:55] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:55] send a patch and a letter of complaint upstream [10:55] ok [10:55] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.26) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [10:55] flowers and a box of chocolates too [10:55] and a valentines card [10:55] sahko : Unfortunately, I don't know how to make a patch yet, so I would just have to suggest. [10:55] and a bottle vodka, for demo :/ [10:55] It would be simple for them. [10:56] it is pretty much like drinking [10:56] what program is that [10:57] bash [10:58] Bash people should be a"bash"ed for this mistake. [10:59] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFBCD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:01] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. 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[11:16] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:16] has anyone had issues getting azalia audio working in alsa? [11:17] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [11:17] dartmouth, HD audio,right? [11:19] MLanden, yup [11:19] its the onboard audio on this new mobo [11:20] can't get it to do anything right. :/ [11:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:20] or really do anything at all [11:20] and its been so long since ive troubleshooted audio issues in linux that im now ignorant to it [11:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:21] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.192) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:21] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-165.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [11:21] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.192) joined ##slackware. [11:22] read there was a bug with intel hd,might be a patch to apply with the kernel...any hangs in boot,dartmouth? [11:22] hda* [11:22] MLanden, no hangs in boot [11:23] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] what does dmesg say? [11:24] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-67-102.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] dmesg & lspci: http://pastebin.ca/1881717 [11:25] grazymax (~grazymax@host19-130-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:25] seems like my acpi is also freaking out, but the audio is the big deal for right now lol [11:26] Ureka!!!! [11:26] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=161984 [11:26] Read this [11:26] Debian solved bash line wrapping problem by setting checkwinsize by default in a conf file. [11:26] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:26] I'm going to complain about this to bash mailing list. [11:28] dartmouth, in lsmod,is it modprobin' that soundchip? [11:28] If I knew how to make a patch... [11:29] MLanden, http://pastebin.ca/1881718 (it appears so?) [11:30] Aidar-Nagato (admin@89.189.140.169.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [11:30] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Hi. I noticed there is a "Desktop" folder in my home folder. What's that directory for? [11:31] ._. [11:31] What about: for the Desktop?¿? [11:31] I mean why do I have that folder? D: I didn't create it. [11:31] Without checkwinsize, bash can't receive SIGWINCH signal that adjusts COLUMNS and ROWS while bash is executing "sleep 10" or "make", leading to line wrapping problems. [11:31] And it's empty! [11:31] riza, alot of window managers and de's use that as a default folder for their desktop [11:32] Action: dartmouth slaps his hands [11:32] o.o... But why? [11:32] Action: dartmouth copies and pastes and edits [11:32] riza, alot of window managers and de's use that as a default *directory* for their desktop [11:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:32] riza: man useradd and look at the -m option [11:33] there is a skeleton file for the default layout of your home folder... [11:33] riza, what would you expect them to use? they can't use /home/$user, that's bad practice [11:33] dartmouth .. hopefully,it's not freakin'with a glitch to hda_intel.c and alsa http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel might be something in alsa's bug tracker stated as well [11:33] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Roin, ~/Desktop is not the same as what the -m option does [11:33] I dunno.. I didn't know KDE use ~/Desktop... [11:33] thrice`: uhm... I meant -m creates a /home/username directory with the layout of the skeleton file [11:34] riza, yup, KDE, gnome, xfce... [11:34] on slackware, that doesn't include ~/Desktop [11:34] no? [11:34] Roin, that's why I asked. <:) [11:34] KDE doesnt use a ~/Desktop either [11:34] hm... I still had my /home partition from my old install sorry :( [11:34] when i print to a file (pdf, ps) i can't choose paper format, what can be possible reason? [11:34] at least by default, nowadays [11:34] MLanden, well how do i even troubleshoot it? :/ [11:35] sahko, really? mine seems to create one [11:35] mm, I guess use / create are different [11:35] you probably changed it to be a desktop in settings [11:35] Action: dartmouth (kde really does use a ~/Desktop/) [11:36] the default settins are not to have icons on the desktop in kde4 [11:36] but thats a setting; if you turn it on, it loads ~/Desktop [11:36] thats what i said. so theres no reason for a desktop [11:36] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:36] I think the creation of ~/Desktop is still done by KDe though [11:37] sahko, no that setting is new to KDE4, and its not the preference of alot of users [11:37] so they keep the kde3 way so people can still do it. [11:37] sure, but thats not the default [11:38] too many default talk today. i think im gonna pass out. [11:38] bbl [11:38] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:40] I'm finally at peace. [11:40] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:40] dartmouth: what is your alsa problem? [11:40] Did Slackware 13.1 change to a user private group scheme, or did I miss that the users group is no longer used by default in a previous release? [11:41] gnubien, i have a new mobo (870A-G54) with onboard audio, that doesn't seem to be working [11:42] im on slack 13.0 though still so i wonder if i would benefit from installing 13.1 again and going from there, i haven't done much with this system [11:42] dartmouth: ok, join #alsa and we'll talk [11:43] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:44] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [11:44] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Interesting. It *is* a change with 13.1. The useradd command is a completely different version. [11:44] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-67-102.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:45] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [11:45] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:47] sinuhe, huh? the groups thing was improved in 13.0, but the users group is still the default I think [11:47] Huh. /etc/default/useradd still has GROUP=100. useradd command indicates that a private group is created, and that is indeed the behaviour. [11:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:48] s/command/manual/ [11:50] I put `shopt -s checkwinsize` in /etc/profile for an impromptu solution. [11:51] thrice`: Compare the manuals on 13.0 vs 13.1. Also, note the USERGROUPS_ENAB entry in /etc/login.defs. [11:52] (manuals for useradd) [11:52] sinuhe, sorry, I originally thought you were talking about the portion Pat added for the 'default groups' recommendation [11:52] actually, in 'adduser' too [11:54] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:54] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:55] Interesting. The default umask is still the same. I'm not sure I buy the utility of a private group scheme, (regardless of umask). [11:57] Oh it's exciting to use linux. [11:57] Bash line wrapping problem solved an hours ago [11:58] you re-compiled the bash package, and changed nothing? [11:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.183.183) joined ##slackware. [11:58] thrice` : the problem was bash's default setting. [11:58] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Chet, the main programmer, suggested disabling checkwinsize by default. [11:59] I think checkwinsize shouldn't even be an option but a built-in behavior. [11:59] I filed a complaint in the newsgroup gnu.bash.bug, and put "shopt -s checkwinsize" in /etc/profile. [11:59] The same complaint was filed in 2007 in the same newsgroup. [12:00] I'm resurrecting it. [12:00] Razec (~razec@187.34.20.24) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Debian has a patch that enables checkwinsize by default. [12:00] That's why ubuntu had no bash line wrapping problem. [12:01] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:01] Slackware users who use bash defaults must have the same problem as I did. [12:01] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:02] I'm so excited to solve problems that I could never solve 10 years ago. [12:02] I couldn't even imagine satisfying dependencies manually then. [12:03] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:04] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [12:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] guys rkhunter logs show this:"Warning: The command '/usr/bin/rkhunter' has been replaced and is not a script: /usr/bin/rkhunter" why? [12:06] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [12:06] because it has? =) [12:07] i need to take a slackware iso and add some packages to it, is there a quick howto for this? i didn't see anything straightforward on google [12:07] dartmouth, kernel or alsa need to be updated to enable sound? [12:08] MLanden, no idea, yet [12:08] dartmouth, good luck [12:08] im just adding in my prop drivers lol [12:08] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:09] MLanden, yah if i remember right upgrading alsa is a pain in the rear [12:09] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Razec (~razec@187.34.20.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:11] alienBOB, i just found your slackbook blog-- its looking really nice now in terms of layout, when did you change it? [12:11] UbuN2 (~go@93-97-212-42.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:12] dartmouth, true...hopefully,if resolved...you can test it with the ending to the Beatle's Strawberry Fields Forever song to test it...:() [12:12] alienBOB, also have you fixed the effin' font size in the pdf for slackbook? ;) [12:12] MLanden, so weird you said that i was going to test it with 'help' [12:13] dartmouth, lol...only song I could think of with "spacial" effects [12:13] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:14] MLanden, ive always been ten years behind with audio setups; ive been thinking about buying a PA system if money ever finds its way to the new england economy [12:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:15] ie you trick someone into not reading noobfarm and employing you? [12:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:16] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:16] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-74-115.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] thrice`, nah, ill just use your name and credentials for a couple of months until they realize im not trained in anything but web systems administration; can I have your social security number plz? [12:17] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=837 :O [12:17] i think i remember telling you what to choke on at some point in the last few years ;) [12:18] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [12:18] #542 is good too fwiw [12:18] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [12:18] in any case, email me your resume so i can skim stuff off it [12:19] anyway, haven't you blamed the economy for your unemployment for years? [12:19] ? [12:19] no, its only been bad up here for a couple of years. check our unemployment rates. [12:19] I'm from Michigan, so gladly [12:20] there's also like....10 nixers in our entire state [12:20] everything is windows up here [12:20] and old, decrepid banking systems [12:21] so, you're holding out for the perfect job ? [12:21] no, i abandoned that years ago [12:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:21] i've since taken to floating aimlessly waiting to grow old enough to focus on waiting to die. [12:21] they're tearing down entire blocks in detroit because theres so many abandoned houses [12:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:22] if you must ask [12:22] shywise,regentrification or commercializing? [12:23] dartmouth, read, living in my mom's basement? :) [12:23] they're turning it into grass lots because they can't afford to do anything with it at all [12:23] thrice`, i would love to live in your mom's basement. [12:23] Skywise, I think the first-ever accepted complete city failure :( [12:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.183.183) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:24] it blowed up good [12:24] but the jobs left a while ago [12:24] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.156) joined ##slackware. [12:24] thrice`, its the best of both worlds. I get sammich, and the snot-nosed step-kid comes and fixes the broken electrical stuff in between beer runs. [12:24] is she on plentyoffish? [12:25] but its funny how windsor is doing the opposite of detroit [12:25] UbuN2 (~go@93-97-212-42.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:25] dartmouth, you really think you are in a position to try and poke fun of people? :p [12:25] im not trying to poke fun at people, im trying to poke your mom lol [12:26] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:28] stay classy cpunches, stay classy [12:28] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:28] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:29] v4nelle (~van@79.107.243.180) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:29] classy? pfft. nothing is classy when youre gettin' your snarlin' on! [12:30] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:30] "pphhhhhhwasnarlghfweeek" [12:31] i talk about i386 slackware 13.1 a few days ago and can't find useful answer . i explain again ... [12:31] I buy slackware 13.1 i386 from shopping site(no official site) and check .asc file and all files MD5's that all ok .... i have AMD64 and when install slackware 13.1 i386 in my machine after installation when run 'uname -m' command print 'x86_64' while in installation process when i run 'uname -m' print 'i686' ... what's wrong? [12:31] was ist das? [12:31] v4nelle (~van@79.107.243.180) joined ##slackware. [12:32] ariarat, i've noticed the x86/x86_64 confusion as well too. [12:32] do you know what the "i" in i386 stands for? [12:32] "as well too" criminies i cant even speak my mother tongue anymore [12:32] ariarat, you bought it? the DVD has two sides, no? :) [12:33] rigth side and wrong side? [12:33] ariarat, if you pop that sucker in a microwave for about 4 seconds it should do what's best. [12:34] no, 32-bit and 64-bit side [12:34] no [12:35] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:35] Action: dartmouth just realized the fantastic benefit of just chewing on the coffee grinds, screw the brewer [12:35] all clown ... well [12:36] if i run kprinter from inkscape, it doesn't allow me to choose paper format, is that kprinter problem or inkscape? [12:36] pebcak [12:36] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:38] trying to install i386 on amd64 is pretty stupid [12:38] you gotta admit... [12:38] huh? [12:38] i get this errors when running a win32 app with wine on my multilib system: http://pastebin.org/326346 [12:38] mancha: why would that be ? [12:39] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [12:39] adaptr i let you figure that out on your own. i have confidence in you... [12:39] mmanch : hey ... i installed 64 bit slackware but i need to install i386 [12:39] mancha, installing 32-bit slackware on 64-bit hardware will work fine [12:39] ariarat, flip the DVD around and re-install :) [12:39] you are ... [12:39] you must not know what i mean, you must not know what i mean [12:39] also, slackware 13.1 is i486 [12:39] UbuN2 (~go@93-97-212-42.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:39] i reinstalled [12:39] i could have another root, in a minute. [12:40] you don't even have your own jeev [12:40] they make me use sudo ;( [12:40] namedrisk (~namedrisk@201.80.208.20) joined ##slackware. [12:40] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:40] sudo su ? :> [12:40] no they blocked it ;( [12:40] stuipid nvidia.com is being lame [12:40] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:40] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:41] Heya, how could i mount 2 hds as 1 ? i don't mean RAID just having both hds working as a big directory [12:41] you need a stacking FS [12:41] mm, LVM ? [12:41] mancha thx ;) [12:41] mihaylov (~mihaylov@77-85-139-105.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:42] http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index5.aspx?lang=en-us are the drop downs working for you thrice`? [12:42] i mean accurately [12:42] shadowx (~slack@singularity.darknetx.eu) joined ##slackware. [12:42] jeev on lynx or what ? [12:42] i click search and it does nothing, tried with 4 browsers [12:42] windows ;) [12:43] it works fine for me on firefox, but lynx dont like it [12:43] wondering if it works on slack [12:43] yep on slack 13.1 [12:43] really? it lets you pick and get the list of the drivers? [12:43] wtf [12:43] yep [12:43] works OK in rekonq [12:43] named, there used to be a neat project called unionfs, haven't tracked it recently though [12:43] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-105-74-115.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:43] thrice`, nobody asked you [12:44] 12:39 jeev| http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index5.aspx?lang=en-us are the drop downs working for you thrice`? [12:44] stop forging stuff [12:44] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-106-168-54.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] any idea where can I find libSM.so.6 ? [12:45] UbuN2 (~go@93-97-212-42.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Azeotrope, believe it or not, the libSM package [12:46] jeev, http://omploader.org/vNGw1NA is what I get [12:46] thank you [12:46] grazymax (~grazymax@host130-86-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:46] thrice`, go to the 200 series and pick 285, tell me what's the latest driver for win 7 64bit [12:46] sorry, don't care [12:46] lol dick [12:46] i might get my x25-m 80gig ssd for slack today for my main desktop, im tired of win 7 [12:47] but i love battlefield and stupid cod [12:47] mancha will take a look at it thanks a lot :) [12:47] i don't understand why that lib is missing on my multilib system, though the multilibs were correctly installed, as in alien's guidew [12:47] Azeotrope, you dont' have a libSM-compat32 or so? [12:48] danix (~danix@host77-118-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:48] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:49] thrice`: nope [12:49] jeev, your GF sent me her new headshot, looking really cute too: http://omploader.org/vZmln [12:50] ew [12:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] http://theideagirlsays.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/blake-lively-the-idea-girl-says-sexy-white-dress-gold-high-heels.jpg my girlfriend looks exactly like that but no blonde hair [12:53] R0dRicK (R0dRicK@ip-50-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] mmhmm [12:54] jeev: new album is good? I'll have to get it when I get home :) [12:54] no [12:54] it's out in 10 days but it sucks [12:54] Action: adaptr was hopping for a headshot :( [12:54] oh [12:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:55] folks, get the latest adobe flash 10.1 (stop using 10.0.x) [12:55] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [12:55] the security thing? [12:56] Action: adrien throws a 'uname -m' at mancha [12:56] how is performance on the detested flash thingy [12:56] ?? [12:56] excellent on x86_64 [12:56] have they finally "optimized" it to use all the CPU and any swap laying around? [12:56] it's so light you'd believe flash isn't even running [12:56] :) [12:56] just wondering, when copying files from a ntfs hd to an ext3 fs hd does it convert everything just fine or should i keep an eye at anything in particular such as big directory names or anything else ? [12:56] adrien, seriously? [12:57] shonudo: they dropped x86_64 [12:57] i mean, i was being sarcastic, but flash is traditionally a hog [12:57] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [12:57] namedrisk: from ntfs to ext3, not really, the other way round, yes [12:57] adrien: ah, so you were being sarcastic as well [12:57] they actually dropped 64-bit, or just haven't released it yet? [12:57] fair enough [12:57] lol [12:57] shonudo: well, on x86_64, there is no official flash release, so problem solved [12:58] thrice`: no, they dropped it and announced it [12:58] i detest flash [12:58] for later [12:58] can't wait for it to become obsolete [12:58] mancha, why the urgency -- how bad is the security risk? [12:59] namedrisk, nothing superficial, at a lower level, metadata (as in attribs) aren't directly mapped unless you make it happen [12:59] shonudo, i don't know how to answer that. it is vulnerable and there are active exploits in the wild. [12:59] that's bad [13:00] mmm ok thx... currently i have a ntfs hd holding some data but i wanted to convert it to ext3 and i just got some extra hds to make it happen but dont want anything going wrong with the transfer eheh as i have no backups ;x [13:01] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:01] shonudo, i though so too. so i figured i share with my slack brethren in case any of you use the flash plugin. i don't but meh, i know some here do. [13:01] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:01] *thought [13:02] i do use the plugin... grudgingly [13:02] thrice`: i reinstalled multlib packages, i have a libSM-compat32 installed but still i get that error [13:02] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:02] mancha, thanks for the headsup [13:02] yeah, thanks [13:03] isn't html5 supposed to make flash a thing of the past? [13:03] Azeotrope, sorry, not sure then. I don't use multilib myself [13:03] or is that wrong on my part? [13:03] Action: adrien only felt like complaining about flash =) [13:03] shonudo: flash isn't only about video [13:03] Action: shonudo always comes to that party [13:03] that's the hope many of us have...but other things use flash (aside from video content providers) [13:04] though a major usage of flash is to serve as a container for video. that part is going to die. [13:04] then it seems slackware 13.1 has a big fault. [13:04] R0dRicK (R0dRicK@ip-50-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:04] i wonder if that will be enough to be able to ignore flash for everyday use [13:04] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:05] yeah, you might have issues with flash-laden sites, which i avoid anyways... [13:05] for example, it is next to impossible to find an online bandwidth checker that isn't flash-based. don't ask me why... [13:06] alienBOB: hi. you there? [13:07] mancha, probably habit and the fact that flash is ubiquitous [13:08] yes, and there was a wave of flash programmers (and automated flash application makers) [13:08] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:08] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [13:08] in any event, the video aspect is going to be dead very soon [13:09] apple nixed it, google is in the process of burying it, etc... [13:09] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:09] apple's reason for dropping it is very political [13:09] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:10] there might have been that too, but there is a very important technical aspect too [13:10] i'm all for apple successfully dropping it, don't get me wrong [13:10] i'd love to see an alternative [13:10] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@89.189.140.169.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:11] apple's bread an butter are mobile devices where power consumption is key. people don't wanna charge their iDevices every 15 minutes. flash eats up battery like it's nobody's business. [13:11] G4 and wifi do that pretty well too [13:11] adobe should be ashamed of itself in all seriousness [13:12] they should have done something with it when they purchased macromedia [13:12] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [13:14] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [13:15] amason6 (~amason6@52-203.dsl.data.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:16] mancha most of the bw checker i know are in java LOL ;p [13:16] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:17] hello [13:17] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:17] java, now there's a lightweight environment :P [13:18] oh lol i just found one in ajax nice http://www.bitratespeed.com/ [13:18] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.37.54) left irc: Quit: bye.... [13:18] or should i say with ajax hehe w/e [13:19] Excuse me, but does anyone know how to determine the file system path of a python module? [13:19] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:22] amason6: wouldn't #python be more suitable for that? [13:22] Forgive me. [13:22] You are correct [13:22] Sorry about that [13:23] amason6 (~amason6@52-203.dsl.data.net.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:24] ok. so I followed alien's guide for making a multilib system on more than 3 machines but still 32bit apps complain about that fuckin libSM.so.6. I've exhausted every solution I could find. [13:24] amason6 (~amason6@52-203.dsl.data.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:25] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:25] namedrisk (~namedrisk@201.80.208.20) left irc: Quit: Die another day ! ! ! [13:25] can someone *please* check on this and see if there is any libSM.so.6? I do have that libSM-compat32.tgz but apps like Google Earth or wine still complain on it [13:25] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:25] okay, new flash installed and hogging resources better than ever! [13:27] It's strange you guys are talking about employment. [13:27] I myself can't even find a job at McDonald's! They won't even take free computer work! [13:28] They as in anyone, craigslist, etc. [13:28] of course. why do you think they'd take anything for free? [13:28] Nick change: amason6 -> admasnd [13:28] ohh, i thought you meand mcdonald's [13:29] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [13:29] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] thats cause everyone and their nephew says they can do computer work now [13:29] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@89.189.140.169.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:29] I will do any computer work free! And fast! But most people go "meh our business sucks, you don't have to fix anything cause we haven't even gotten a chance to turn our money computer on". Basically that's the idea of it. [13:29] and most of them have a+ and other useless certs [13:29] Psh. I don't know anyone with A+. [13:29] riza: will you do some computer work for me too? [13:29] heh [13:29] Action: riza looks at Azeotrope then looks around the room suspiciously. [13:29] yeah, that i'd like to see [13:29] i see a burger coming of this at some point [13:30] hmm, burgers [13:30] Action: riza documents in the adventure book of rhisadotcalm, "slave drivers in ##slackware". [13:30] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:31] sounds like a good title for a noir pulp novel [13:31] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:31] riza: welcome to crappy economy. there are plenty of other people, with twice as much experience and skills, looking for jobs. you're competing with them [13:32] nah, theres plenty of work out there [13:32] ananke, I know! :D I am absolutely not worried. [13:32] Skywise, psh I live in NY. [13:32] theres a city up there that tends to be busy, i forget its name [13:32] riza: if you're 'absolutely' not worried, why the complaints? [13:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:33] I'm not complaining, I'm just making a comment after people were talking about employment in Michigan. [13:33] It's strange you guys are talking about employment. [13:33] See? [13:33] you live in buffalo? [13:33] riza: plenty of exlamation marks behind your 'comments' make be wonder [13:33] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:33] s/be/me [13:33] is it still snowing in buffalo? [13:34] Psh, I was making a comment, let's move on. [13:34] it only stops snowing long enough for the mosquito's life cycle [13:34] riza: i see. so you exclaim when you make your comments. i get it now. [13:35] :D! [13:35] There's a number of jobs in this area (NJ) working with Cisco IOS and such [13:35] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [13:35] I probably don't qualify then. Oh well. Anyway curious, something about Slackware. [13:35] you have to have the people you know hire you to work [13:35] Hm actually never mind. Bbl. [13:36] my friends are always asking me for help [13:36] so i charge them and make money [13:36] You charge your friends? [13:36] sure [13:36] I'm not sure I want a friend like that. [13:36] otherwise they'd beg me for everything little thing that goes wrong [13:36] they pay me or best buy [13:37] and best buy could wreck their stuff [13:37] Geek Squad out sources most of their stuff to India now [13:37] i still don't get geek squad or what they do (other than package for shipping) [13:37] The 'Geeks' basically plug it in, phone india, and call it a day [13:37] like RMA middlemen [13:38] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [13:38] so, just because its done with a keyboard doesn't mean its not work [13:38] Actually that's a good question. Can you guys summarize what, say, Intel does in one sentence? [13:38] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [13:38] and i explain you don't pay me to turn a screw, but for knowing which screw to turn [13:40] i find people are more focused and prepared when the meter is running [13:40] riza, Are you referring to the company or the various chipsets? [13:40] otherwise they wanna invite you for dinner or waste your whole evening [13:40] Company. :) In context of Geek Squad, as a company. [13:41] Skywise, so curiosity, how do you know how much to charge? [13:41] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:41] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:41] you can charge however much you want [13:41] the more i don't wanna do it, the more i charge [13:41] I don't want to rip people off, I've bene doing things free for people. [13:42] garme (~garme@187.79.86.196) joined ##slackware. [13:42] :( [13:42] not charging is ripping you off [13:42] Well. [13:42] you think someone would fix your plumbing for free? [13:42] Hm.. so they feel no guilt? Most people do though. So they offer me stuff free in return. [13:42] Well I mean friends. [13:42] I got lots of stuff free. [13:42] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:42] iPod Touch, Shuffle, books, games, etc. [13:43] you could do more with money [13:43] So.. [13:43] Yeah but if I'm repairing a laptop or a PC, I'd need to repair several to pay for say an iPod Touch. [13:43] maybe, but then it would be your choice [13:44] True.. I just need non-friend clients. [13:44] Then I can feel better charging. It's like asking for allowance from family, it's not "real" money. [13:44] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-24-98.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:44] Friends man, I know my friends will be there for me when I need them, no charge, and I will be there for them. :D [13:44] lol [13:44] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-24-98.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:44] you're still young [13:44] I can be in London and say "so.. I am stuck, pay my plane ticket back home" and they'd do it. [13:44] I'm 23, I've known my best friend for 10+ years. :| [13:44] lol [13:44] Action: adrien is *very* happy with his Cowon S9 16GB [13:44] And I HAVE been in life and death situation though, and they were there for me. [13:45] more than 40 hours of battery life \o/ [13:45] thats well and good, but its best to be able to take care of yourself [13:45] you can pick your friends....you can pick your nose...but you can't pick your friend's nose [13:45] adrien, nice, howm uch did it cost you? [13:45] Skywise, but that's what I mean. If I asked for something from you and you charged me, I would not really think of you as a friend, no offense. [13:46] thats ok, if it stops you from asking for freebies [13:46] lol Do your friends really ask for freebies without paying you back in some way? [13:46] riza: depends a lot on where you're buying it: I bought it from the US so I had to add taxes, otherwise, it was ... errr ..µ. 180 USD (on amazon.com right now) [13:46] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [13:46] It shouldn't have to be said, but it could be that I'm Asian. Culture *definitely* plays a role in this. [13:47] We have "face", dunno if you know what that means. [13:47] i'm long past the point where anyone would spend what i spend on things i get [13:47] We would lose face if we just leeched off people. [13:47] adrien, nice, it's hard to believe a video player could have more than 40 hours of life! [13:47] but the cowon is a very good piece of hardware generally speaking, I'm very happy with it [13:47] riza: for video, it is "only" up to 17 hours [13:47] the money i spend on my tools and hardware is more then any consumer would, so theres nothing they can offer me [13:47] music is up to 50 hours [13:48] frankly, i'd appreciate new music more then a gadget [13:48] I dunno Skywise, I don't quantify my friends. :o "You paid for a $20 dinner last time, now I pay for a $20 game, that's it. No mo' no less nigga." [13:48] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.102.40.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:48] I just knowww.... that if I said "help me please" they'd more than help. [13:48] lol [13:49] well theres always the guy who likes go out with a group and then wine and dine and split the cost [13:49] to me thats bs [13:49] adrien, wonder how that model would be with one of those hand dynamo generators [13:49] when i invite someone out for a meal, i pay [13:49] riza : just a second ago you were saying how you'd ask a friend to buy you a plane ticket [13:49] oh, and the cowon plays ogg and flac too =) [13:50] MLanden: well, *you* buy one and *you* try ;-) [13:50] ananke, ya so.... [13:51] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-204914.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:51] It was just an example, I've never been to London. [13:51] garme (~garme@187.79.86.196) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:51] a round trip ticket is about $800 [13:51] speaking of london, the u.s. plays england in about 40 minutes [13:51] riza: then you're talking about not leeching off people. see the disconnect? [13:51] Has anyone here had any luck installing mnemosyne? [13:52] ananke, no because it's real friendship. See, it's not one sided. [13:52] I have done stuff for my best friend and my best friend has done stuff for me. My best friend saved me during an armed robbery. [13:52] adrien, will do...:D [13:52] Azeotrope: what big fault would Slackware 13.1 have, you think? [13:52] you think its fair to put someone in a position where they have to come up with the cash to rescue you on the spot? [13:52] So. My best friend's life > any amount of money. So if my best friend called me, I'd more than happy to send the money. [13:52] quid pro quo, clarice... [13:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:53] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [13:53] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:53] It's not something I intend on doing of course, but I will say this - shit happens, as New Yorkers say. [13:53] yeah it does [13:53] i'd never impose on my friends like that [13:53] So if it comes down to it I will still do what I can to make up for it, as I know it will be reciprocated. [13:53] Yya. [13:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Aidar-Nagato (admin@94.41.102.40.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [13:54] Emergencies, you really have no choice, and it should be understood too, without the need to say. [13:54] sure you do [13:54] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.102.40.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:54] sometimes you have to go without [13:54] If it means life and death, I rather live. :) I'll pay whoever back. [13:54] i've stayed home when i didn't have money to go out rather then mooch [13:54] alienBOB: so, i did *exactly* as in your multilib (i have experience with 13.0 also) but it seems that no 32bit app will run [13:54] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:54] Skywise, yeah family is important too. Very important! [13:54] I am with my parents too. [13:54] alienBOB: google earth, some win32 apps in winbe [13:55] s/winbe/wine [13:55] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Azeotrope: strange, here I can run 32bit apps just fine on 64-bit multilib with wine (did not try google earth) [13:56] I just wanna end it by saying family and friends are good to have you know, that's all I'm saying.. :) Thanks for the talk, bbl. [13:56] And where would be the "fault" in Slackware? Multilib is not part of Slackware, nor is wine, nor is google earth [13:57] lol [13:57] haqe19 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Azeotrope: what does "ldd /usr/lib/libSM.so.6" return? Any "not found" libraries? [13:59] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:00] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [14:00] hello my friends [14:01] alienBOB: it returns this http://pastebin.com/uQ3TD3mS [14:01] just one unfound lib [14:01] eh, "just" ? [14:01] That _is_ your prob [14:01] Your problem, not Slackware's fault [14:02] wirechief-live (~wirechief@unaffiliated/wirechief) joined ##slackware. [14:02] how could I get audio mixing to work on slackware 13? I have a default install, but cannot play 2 things at once, [14:02] Azeotrope: for some reason you did not install libICE-compat32 [14:03] alienBOB: i have installed it! file:///home/ludwig/Downloads/newcompat32libs/libs32redo/x-compat32/libICE-compat32-1.0.6-x86_64-1.txz [14:04] Azeotrope: apparently your system is broken [14:04] i tried this on 3 systems so far. [14:05] admasnd (~amason6@52-203.dsl.data.net.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:05] Azeotrope: this is what I get when I run that "ldd /usr/lib/libSM.so.6" command: http://pastebin.com/EeFeYznk [14:06] hmm [14:07] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt3-port-17.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:09] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [14:10] R0dRicK (R0dRicK@ip-90-194-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:40] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [14:40] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:41] i heard problems with the wireless card in ideapads [14:41] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [14:41] batmayne, they tend to be better than other brands in terms of support, but google the model, atheros and ralink are great, broadcom sucks [14:41] i dont know how well support everything in the thinkpads are though [14:41] but IIRC most of the cards out there can be made to work with some effort [14:41] im on thinkwiki [14:41] batmayne, check thinkwiki on the model..good place on references..what's the model? [14:42] thinking of a t60 [14:43] wertik_rus (~wertik@193.239.129.200) joined ##slackware. [14:46] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[15:00] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.192) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:00] batmayne r61e works well with linux, i expect with slackware too. [15:00] MrTablet (~MrTablet@72-255-21-34.client.stsn.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:01] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:04] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:04] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [15:05] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DCBF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:07] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:08] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:08] Teratogen (~blah@unaffiliated/teratogen) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:10] can slackpkg be used to update to the lastest alsa-* packages? [15:11] bacal (~si@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:12] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [15:13] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:13] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [15:13] R0dRicK (R0dRicK@ip-90-194-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:14] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] wertik_rus (~wertik@193.239.129.200) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:15] bacal (~si@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:16] batmayne (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:16] also i do not see any 13.1 mirros in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors, are the 13.0 mirrors interchangeable or should I be modifying urls when i select a mirror? [15:16] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] are you using 13.0? [15:17] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [15:17] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [15:18] sahko, no im using 13.1, which is why I asked the question. [15:18] ? [15:19] whoa [15:19] your questions dont make sense for 13.1.. [15:19] dartmouth: the mirrors *are* there for 13.1 [15:19] hrm..... [15:20] 13.0, 12.2, -current, nope. [15:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:21] O.o [15:21] what 'latest alsa-* packages'? [15:21] dartmouth how about /etc/slackpkg/mirrors.new ? [15:21] does a file like that exist on your system? [15:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [15:22] http://pastebin.ca/1881827 [15:22] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:22] shadowx, no [15:22] not in /etc/slackpkg/ anyway [15:23] you have even upgraded bash-3.1 [15:23] you're not using 13.1 [15:23] s/have/havent [15:23] uhm, yes, i am, i just installed it off the 13.1 dvd iso, downloaded last night, from utah.edu [15:23] guess again [15:24] which is why sahko asked :) [15:24] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:25] guess again, im looking at the effing dvd iso in my firefox download history, showing it having been downloaded from utah.edu with their filename of http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso/slackware-13.1-install-dvd.iso , so unless utah.edu is using a 13.0 dvd iso and naming it 13.1, its effing 13.1 [15:25] cat /etc/slackware-version [15:25] what does that say ^^ [15:25] wtf [15:25] its 13.0 [15:25] :) [15:25] sahko wins [15:25] that is so, so weird. [15:26] why is utah.edu distributing 13.0 as 13.1? [15:26] read UPGRADE.TXT carefully. easy to botch an upgrade [15:26] i didn't upgrade it was a fresh install [15:26] huh - you're right that's odd. :/ [15:26] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:26] it would be me that discovers this the hard way.... [15:26] Skywise (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Skywise (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Changing host [15:26] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [15:27] did you burn the iso on the same dvd you had 13.0? [15:27] no, it was a blank dvdr [15:27] maybe you chose the 13.0 image on your HD instead of the 13.1 image? [15:28] i dont have the 13.0 image on my hd [15:28] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:28] can someone download the iso from utah.edu and verify that its 13.0 being distributed as 13.1? [15:29] use the 13.1 torrents at slackware.com for 13.1 [15:29] seriously [15:29] seriously [15:29] cpunches vs. a sophisticated mirror [15:29] wonder which is at fault ;) [15:29] hah [15:29] whats the md5sum of your iso? [15:29] dude. http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso/slackware-13.1-install-dvd.iso <-- thats the link I used, as grabbed from my download history. [15:30] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:31] dartmouth: grab the checksum file from slackware.com or something and confirm for yourself [15:31] md5sum your local iso and compare against http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso/slackware-13.1-install-d1.iso.md5 [15:31] i downloaded the iso to /root and wiped everything but /home [15:31] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] on install [15:31] wait no i didn't its on the desktop [15:31] k lemme check [15:32] ... [15:33] sorry compare against (noted the dvd) [15:33] http://pastebin.ca/1881829 [15:34] you downloaded the right iso, but messed up during install [15:34] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:34] either burned to bad media (already with 13.0 on it or something), or didn't format anything [15:34] danix (~danix@host77-118-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:34] communicator (~123@bl14-21-116.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:35] yeah i formatted; i went from ext3 to ext4 with / [15:35] jesus, will you check the iso? [15:35] the iso is right, as your checksum confirms [15:36] pnq (asdf@AC81DBBE.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Razec (~razec@187.34.19.156) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:36] you can boot your DVD to see which kernel version it loads [15:37] ill just burn a new disc and reinstall [15:37] does he have to boot it? can't he just mount it (loop)? [15:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:38] can mount it and check what's on it [15:38] dartmouth you can do an upgrade following the UPGRADE.TXT it's not that bad and you'll get your 13.1 [15:39] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [15:39] lol too late [15:40] dartmouth when you installed did you get your packages from off of the dvd or did you download them from a mirror? [15:41] seriously, do you expect somebody to download the iso to 'check' it? [15:41] haha [15:41] :P [15:41] too funny [15:41] i installed from the cd [15:42] after formatting the root mount [15:42] part i mean [15:42] he asked jesus to check the iso. [15:42] praise the lord [15:42] ok because I was wondering if maybe the mirror chosen by the installer might have been for 13.0 [15:45] dartmouth (dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left ##slackware ("installing 13.1....again.....from that iso on a new disk, reformatting....again...."). 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[16:36] ok, `cat /etc/slackware-version` is now 13.1 lol [16:36] http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=aa2f770afd1c7eeccf409835a838fcd94cf345db [16:37] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.149.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:37] still no audio but at least now alsamixer is showing more than one slider for the device and it looks like it 'should' be playing audio but isn't [16:37] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.149.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:37] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-172.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:39] MrTablet (~MrTablet@72-255-21-34.client.stsn.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:42] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt3-port-17.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [16:43] is there an eviroment varible i could set to make gcc pass the flag to use both cpus? [16:43] so it always does it [16:43] nvision (~nvision@84.22.107.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:43] what? [16:44] it's make, not gcc [16:44] ahh [16:44] ok [16:44] well [16:44] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.185) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:44] nickals, if you find out can you let me know? im also looking for an environment variable to set to use both cpus to compile and also to pass to make automatically to try to get the app itself to use both cpus after build as well [16:45] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [16:45] is it that hard to 'make -j2'? [16:45] adrien: yes. [16:45] e.g. two cpus to compile, 2 cpus at runtime after compile ;) [16:45] $MAKEFLAGS [16:46] not all software compiles nicely in parallel [16:47] edthix (~ed@115.135.182.147) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:47] 'make -jX || make' usually works well [16:47] dangit whats up with this sound card :/ [16:47] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DCBF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:47] plus it gives a more readable output if something fails [16:47] dartmouth, is it allowing you to use aplay? [16:48] MLanden, im testing it with youtube, i dont have any audio files yet :P [16:48] v4nelle (~van@79.107.243.180) joined ##slackware. [16:48] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:49] MLanden, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKXujEphWS8 [16:50] yeah that works [16:50] must be you [16:50] dartmouth, good pick for testing..>:) [16:50] MLanden, no audio though [16:50] alsamixer is now behaving properly though, minus the sound [16:50] and im now on 13.1 [16:51] MLanden, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=aa2f770afd1c7eeccf409835a838fcd94cf345db [16:51] dartmouth echo LSKJDKJSDH > /dev/dsp [16:51] dive, that actualy produced a sound [16:51] then it's alsa [16:52] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:52] so grab a wav and play with aplay and alsamixer [16:52] I'm sure you can find a webpage with a wav on it download [16:55] yeah i just got a successful wav play with aplay [16:56] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [16:56] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:00] mdeanda (1000@cpe-75-84-179-19.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:00] MLanden, yes, the one on irq 16 is the audiojacks, which im having problems with, and i thikn the one on irq 17 is the hdmi, which i wont ever use [17:00] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [17:00] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-24-98.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] alsamixer also is showing the right one, im pretty sure Realtek ALC892 is the audio jacks :/ [17:02] dartmouth, if you have two cards you could set up different aliases for them in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf or (which would be easier) just turn of onboard in the BIOS [17:03] nvision (~nvision@p5799E102.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:03] dive, well, whats most strange about it, is that i get the fuzz throught he speakers if i turn my mic sliders in alsaconf all the way up [17:03] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.107) left irc: Quit: rafu [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-165.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] so i don't think its an issue with detecting the right card :/ [17:03] *alsamixer, not alsaconf [17:04] burshki (~dcash@2002:442f:ac31:0:21e:65ff:fed1:4a6) joined ##slackware. [17:04] right [17:05] so it's the mike you want working - I found mine uses hdmi [17:05] no, its not the mic i want working [17:05] but it's all trial and error [17:05] hopefully,the mic plug doesn't become "live" (getting feedback from around the port) if the settings are increased [17:05] oh? [17:05] i just want audio playback through alsa lol [17:06] ah right, well it comes down to trial and error with switches and sliders [17:06] so good luck [17:06] but what im saying is, in alsamixer, if i turn the mics up on the card i want it to work with, its giving me fuzz; ive now tried every combination and even turned all sliders all the way up [17:06] so alsa is doing 'something' [17:06] with that card i mean [17:09] dive, here are my lspci/lsmod/dmesg/amixer output: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=aa2f770afd1c7eeccf409835a838fcd94cf345db [17:10] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [17:17] nvision (~nvision@84.22.107.1) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFBCD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [17:19] blondie_ (~better_th@212.183.140.57) joined ##slackware. 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[17:49] dartmouth, like the nvida nouveau....if it's guessing,see if blacklisting the realtek module forces the intel hda module to be used [17:53] MLanden, could i check this with modprobe -r snd_hda_codec_realtek first or is that not how it works? [17:55] archceza1 (1000@acwg67.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:55] dartmouth, try and see if it does anything [17:55] Elektro_ (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:56] its telling me the module is in use (lol?) [17:57] CoolDragon (~draco@201.170.166.25.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] dartmouth, is lsmod,is snd-hda-codec-intelhdmi in use? [17:59] snd_hda_codec_atihdmi 2123 1 [17:59] probably,underscored instead of hyphened..:)..love copy and paste..:'() [17:59] lol [18:01] so im just adding the line 'blacklist snd_hda_codec_realtek' to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf? [18:02] (never had to blacklist before) [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421595.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:03] Action: dartmouth built alsa-plugins from source just a moment ago btw [18:03] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [18:05] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [18:06] I've got Slackware 13.1 x86_64 on /dev/sda2, and now I'd like Slackware 13.1 x86 on /dev/sdb2. How should I setup LILO for this to work? [18:06] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [18:07] ThomasLocke, just open lilo.conf, ctrl + k the set of lines for the /dev/sda2 boot, then ctrl + u under it, change the name, change the drive. [18:07] (use nano) [18:08] That would be the lilo.conf file on /dev/sda2 right? [18:09] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt7-port-161.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [18:10] ThomasLocke, whatever youre using to boot the system [18:10] and make sure and reinstall lilo after you edit lilo.conf [18:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:11] I will try. Thanks. [18:12] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:14] or use grub... [18:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:16] bacal (~chatzilla@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:40] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Anyone seen this? I run mkinitrd on 2.6.33.4 after upgrading to 13.1 and it returns "ERROR: No /lib/modules/2.6.29.6 kernel modules tree found for kernel "2.6.29.6". No 2.6.29.6 package stuff left around, all symlinks pointing to 2.6.33.4 stuff... command executed: mkinitrd -c -l 2.6.33.4 -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/cryptvg/root -C /dev/sda2 -L [18:42] tomaw (tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [18:42] pipes: What does uname -a report? [18:42] -l or -k ? [18:42] ah shit [18:42] thanks thrice` [18:43] :) [18:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:44] Action: pipes mutters something about it being Sunday and slinks away [18:45] pipes,where?...still Saturday evening here...:) [18:45] NZ [18:45] Sun Jun 13 10:43:28 NZST 2010 [18:45] Buuntu (~Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:45] he's a time traveller :) [18:46] lol [18:46] Action: pipes wiggles his fingers in a spooky manner [18:47] tell me what the max lotto numbers are. I'll split the $50M(CDN) pot with you [18:47] 2 6 33 4 13 1 [18:48] try those [18:50] 4,8,15,16,23,42 [18:50] alphageek: there's a flaw in a particular version of Cisco's CVP that will cause cached wav files to play.... [18:50] so after GST, PST, income tax, random gov't graft, currency exchange, & whatever taxes you'd deal with at your end.. here's enough to buy a coffee [18:50] MrZhi: that's nice. I need to know this because? [18:51] .... I know this because State of Minnesota had an episode where people called in to check their tickets and it would play the previous day's numbers, but test just fine for from an internal line [18:51] ahh [18:51] Buuntu (~Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) joined ##slackware. [18:51] ...take out the phone line long enough to find/forge the ticket :D [18:52] gmbastos (~gustavo@200.162.200.150) joined ##slackware. [18:52] reminds me of a Robert Silverberg short story I read years'n'years ago. called "Me +N / Me -N" iirc [18:52] most gas stations use dial up to commuicate the tickets sold, so you could probably just setup behind the store and with a bit of work, sniff their traffic [18:52] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:53] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:54] headerhou (headerhou@82-69-43-104.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left ##slackware. [18:56] ahh, the title's "Now + n, Now - n" [18:56] Action: alphageek hugs google [18:56] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [18:57] yappingboy (~stephen@cpe-98-148-253-19.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] anyone here? [18:57] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:57] no [18:57] sssshh [18:58] could I get some help eith a social problem? [18:58] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [18:58] with* [18:58] ._. [18:58] O.o [18:58] is that a perhaps? [18:58] I'm almost afraid to ask [19:00] tis about a person of the female persuasion [19:00] and me being a nerd, I need some advise [19:00] advice* [19:01] and I thought I would come to one place people may understand [19:01] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [19:01] jeez'm! ok. i'll paypal someone 5 bucks to fix my effing sound. [19:01] jeremym (~jeremym@pool-70-106-168-54.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:02] (not kidding) [19:03] dartmouth: have you tried asking in #alsa ? [19:03] yappingboy: in short, asking advice on irc is usually good for one thing. [19:04] refilling /dev/urandom [19:05] alphageek, yes i have [19:07] trolololo [19:08] Action: alphageek blinks [19:09] why are random bits muted & others not? (re your alsa-project link) [19:09] Nick change: CoolDragon[ZzZ] -> CoolDragon [19:09] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:10] me? [19:10] i muted the mics [19:10] i am only interested in audio playback through alsa [19:10] for now [19:10] i need some touchpad autoconfigurator [19:10] if i unmute the mics and turn the sliders up in alsamixer, i do get fuzz through my speakers [19:10] and autoenabler [19:11] and no device found autofixer [19:11] want fries with that? [19:11] yes, please [19:11] :D [19:13] Elektro_ (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro_ [19:13] Action: dartmouth is approaching anger [19:14] release your anger [19:14] cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp <---- this works. why doesn't alsa. [19:15] alsa's not random enough? [19:15] cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio [19:15] ? [19:15] how does it sound like? [19:15] that work? [19:15] sounds like cyndi lauper's last album [19:20] Action: dartmouth opens up the monopoly box and ups the ante to 10 bucks [19:21] what do you use to set up touch pad? i mean mine already works i just want to change it's settings [19:22] yappingboy (~stephen@cpe-98-148-253-19.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:29] mancha, heh [19:29] cr3, tried synclient? [19:29] yes [19:29] no shcmonfig or something [19:30] shm [19:30] or an /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ file? [19:30] it doesnt comprehend what it's supposed to do [19:30] stupid machine [19:30] Action: dartmouth considers the "steel-toe boot" computer repair method [19:30] riiiiiiiiiiiigh, the machine's the problem :) [19:30] stupid synclient then [19:30] doesn't work without shmconfig [19:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:32] have a look at the files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor [19:32] veritos (~koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] cr3, ^ [19:33] gmbastos (~gustavo@200.162.200.150) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:34] Hi---has anyone else encountered a problem where they can use wireless if they run iwconfig, but with wicd the connection drops after about five to ten minutes? (I have had this on 13.0, 13.0-64, and 13.1-64. On 13.0 the connection comes back after a few seconds but on 13.1 it will not.) [19:35] so you're using WEP then. I have no idea, is the signal low? [19:35] dive /etc/hal/fdi/policy contains nothing [19:35] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [19:35] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:35] Signal is nearly perfect [19:35] veritos, the connection doesn't drop at all using ifconfig/dhcpcd/wpa_sup? [19:35] cr3, I know that - you're supposed to put a file there [19:35] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Quit: "Good night all my lovelies.... take care and sweet dreams.... :*" [19:36] ok... [19:36] cr3, look in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/os10vendor then [19:36] currently im experimenting with xorg.conf [19:36] dive: with iwconfig and dhcpcd it's peachy. Haven't tried wpa_supplicant yet, probably should I guess. My guess is that it will be the same, since wicd really uses wpa_supplicant in the background [19:36] must restart x [19:36] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:36] wicd has an option to spit out debug info, right? [19:37] veritos, wicd will only use wpa if you set it up to do so and your AP is using it [19:38] veritos, if you are only using wep then it doesn't come into it [19:38] dive: it just uses iwconfig in that case? [19:38] it uses wpa_supplicant also for wep [19:38] yes with a wep pass [19:39] hmm ok didn't know that [19:39] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:39] jeez [19:39] us [19:39] now i have "properly" working touchpad [19:39] but [19:39] veritos, you should set up wpa anyway [19:39] instead of "device not found" in touchpad settings in kde (idowloaded plugin) [19:40] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] settings window crashes [19:40] i think the debug info would be valuable too :) [19:40] i dont have kdebugs account [19:41] cr3, maybe the plugin is borked? [19:41] and i'm too lazy to click anything without mouse using not properly configured touchpad [19:41] dive, dunno [19:41] maybe... [19:41] you should be able to just set up in xorg.conf and leave it at that [19:41] dive: not an option, it's my roommate's AP (I have permission to use it) and his laptop's card doesn't support WPA at all, so he sticks with WEP. I SSH tunnel everything, though, so it's not too much of a security problem [19:41] hmm [19:42] I'll be right back, though...got to move my IRC session to a different machine so that I can poke around with this one [19:42] i just enabled tap to see if it's working at all [19:42] i dont know what to choose in text mode... what's acceleration 10? or 100? why not 0.2? [19:43] no idea I didn't change acell - I just turned on edge scroll and tapclick [19:43] veritos (~koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:44] cr3, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/iIS61F52.html [19:44] that's what I use [19:44] and mostly just grabbed those settings off the outernet [19:44] gaom (~jim@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:44] seems to work for me [19:45] cr3, oh yeah and notice the shmconfig "on" [19:45] veritos (~karhu@vergil01.u.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:45] Back [19:45] how about "true" [19:46] I think true = on [19:46] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:46] true = on = 1 [19:46] afaik [19:46] sinedrio (~sinedrio@193-126-130-83.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:47] then it shouldn't crash [19:47] so synclient should work now and you can use that to test settings [19:50] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [19:50] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-75-51-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Hmm, now iwconfig doesn't work unless I run it a couple times either. STUPID BROADCOM!!! [19:53] nachox (~Ignacio@28-73-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:54] stupid computers [19:55] their IQ is 0 [19:55] because they aren't even alive [19:56] I'm thinking about just ditching a wireless manager now and just running iwconfig manually [19:56] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:59] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:59] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [19:59] Hi. [20:00] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:02] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Buuntu (~Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:03] Wow it's quiet... [20:04] dunno its middle of the night here [20:04] It's 8Pm here. [20:05] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-173-116-22.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:05] is there any reason why adding 'blacklist snd_seq_oss' 'blacklist snd_pcm_oss' and 'blacklist snd_mixer_oss' would result in those modules still, in fact, loading? [20:05] riza, entertain us... [20:06] (adding those lines to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf) [20:06] Dance Monkey Dance! [20:06] Action: dartmouth is getting a windowsy feel from trying to blacklist modules... [20:06] tehrabbitt-droid (~tehrabbit@253.sub-97-250-218.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [20:06] funkey munkey [20:07] chunky monkey [20:07] Action: dartmouth says 'eff you pat' and removepkg's the oss package [20:07] Action: riza dances for ##slackware by throwing around a huge S sign. [20:07] Hi, having issues with kde freezing up still... the k menu after I open wicd [20:07] Action: nachox bows [20:07] i am also having some issues [20:07] tehrabbitt-droid, what wireless adapter do you have? [20:08] irrelevant to this channel though [20:08] Any ideas I should try [20:08] Atheros [20:08] Because most wireless adapter are shitty and causes problems of all sort. [20:08] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:08] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [20:08] Its a cisco adapter [20:08] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:08] What model specifically? And surprised that the adapter of Cisco brand would do this to you. [20:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:09] My other issue is my trackpad is very very "jumpy" [20:09] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:09] Dirty trackpad [20:09] . [20:09] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [20:09] >:( [20:10] good evening, I need help installing b43-fcutter from slackbuilds, I don't know what/how to work with the .tar.gz file that I downloaded, help please? I read the HOWTO page... but can't get it to work. [20:10] Model:AIR-CB21AG-A-K9 [20:10] CoolDragon, easy. [20:10] Open up a console. [20:11] droid, that should work fine with ath5k [20:11] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Tried cleaning the trackpad... just is wayyy over sensitive.... donno how to slow it down [20:11] Tell me if you downloaded two files. If so, tar zxvf the file without the version name. Then cp the file iwth the version name into the extracted folder. [20:11] Then ./slackbuild. Emergency brb. [20:11] Thanks riza, let me have it. [20:11] Others can pick up. [20:11] ok so i removed the oss package, and im still loading the oss modules. WTF? [20:11] Action: dartmouth even blacklisted all the oss modules to be sure [20:11] Mancha, yea I'm using ath5k but it seems if I open wicd it messes up kde [20:12] and they still loaded [20:12] "messes up" ? [20:13] Action: dartmouth 's face turns white, as he types in cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig [20:13] what would happen if you blacklist everything [20:13] Donno why but my wicd window doesn't have a menu bar either... [20:13] Shoujld I try removing and reinstaLling kde? [20:14] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:15] :( I did a su root and tried ./b43-fwcutter.SlackBuild [20:15] gives me a permission denied [20:16] maybe it is not +x [20:16] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:18] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:20] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] mancha, did a chmod +x on the file, still not workin [20:22] corrupt file? [20:23] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:23] you're sure it's running as root? [20:24] yeah, pics or it didn't happen [20:24] run id first [20:24] does that say you're root? [20:25] guys on amarok why there isnt "MEdia devices" plugin? [20:25] after that and if that shows that you're indeed root run bash -x b43/fwcutter.SlackBuild [20:25] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:25] whoami = root [20:25] crap replace that / for a - [20:25] AH, ok, so THAT is the way to run that... I was trying sh or ./ [20:26] sh and ./ should work [20:26] no, its not, i want to see in what part of the script it returned an error [20:26] so the problem is elsewhere [20:26] it is A way to run it [20:26] sorry i interefered mancha :D [20:26] no way, you're not interfering [20:27] i was just adding to what you said [20:28] please paste the output of that in pastebin [20:28] tar: /home/draco/downloads/b43-fwcutter/b43-fwcutter-012.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory [20:28] well draco, now you know what's missing :) [20:28] CoolDragon, ok. you need more than the slackbuild to build a package [20:29] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:29] you might want to read the instructions from the slackbuild web page [20:29] Action: CoolDragon clenches fists [20:30] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:30] I feel so frustrated, been doing IT for 20 years, thanks to Microsoft I feel like I'm starting over with Linux, and I had to pick Slackware. I was running ubuntu for a while, but needed a better challenge. [20:31] So, here I am. At your mercy. [20:31] Action: nachox wonders whether he should just turn his ps3 on and play some god of war III [20:31] omfgt [20:31] enough rant, what's next ppl? [20:31] alsa works as root but not as a normal user [20:31] do i need to add users to a group to use alsa? [20:31] how's us doing it for you a challenge though? [20:31] dartmouth: add yourself to the audio group [20:31] rworkman, rofl, thankyou [20:31] Action: nachox bows to rworkman. congrats mate [20:32] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-75-51-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:32] riza, you back? [20:32] CoolDragon: Start over. Download the b43-fwcutter.tar.gz tarball from the SBo server, tar xf b43-fwcutter.tar.gz, cd b43-fwcutter, . b43-fwcutter.info ; wget $DOWNLOAD ; sh *Build [20:32] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:33] I showed up just in time to throw out the obvious solution :) [20:33] hehe [20:34] ok... [20:34] rworkman is always obvious [20:34] let me try that, thanks rworkman [20:35] scary there are 5 pages of quotes that contain 'rworkman' [20:35] on noobfarm [20:35] hehe [20:36] hehe [20:37] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.74.80.64) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:37] ha [20:37] WHOA, something happened... [20:38] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:39] i (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:39] i_ (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] nachox_ (~Ignacio@28-73-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:40] /usr/bin/amor [20:40] ok, took a while and another read on the HOWTO page, and what rworkman wrote, that worked, now I gotta get the broadcom package. 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[20:50] or it is and just not on the slackpkg mirror im using [20:50] Action: pipes facepalms [20:51] pipes: slackpkg search cyrus-sasl: [ installed ] - qca-cyrus-sasl-2.0.0_beta3-x86_64-1 [20:51] from slackware-current in februrary [20:52] that didnt provide libsasl2.so.2 for me [20:52] sorry - slackware64-current [20:52] i have it working now [20:52] dep? [20:52] /var/log/packages/cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-x86_64-1:usr/lib64/libsasl2.so.2.0.23\ [20:53] hmm - missing link then? [20:53] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:53] if I dd one harddrive with an OS on it and output to a different harddrive of different size, will the Os still work? [20:53] Reticenti, that is not an easy question [20:53] Reticenti, better to use clonezilla [20:53] ah, ok [20:53] possibly - but dd will overwrite your partitioning, so your new drive will appear like your old drive [20:53] not always the best output [20:53] and doesn't have a single answer, the best is: sometimes depending [20:54] alright, that's what I thought [20:54] it'd probably just easier to reinstall [20:54] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:54] Reticenti, not necessarily [20:54] you can consider partimage [20:54] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Quit: Changing server [20:54] nachox (~Ignacio@28-73-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:54] also tar, cp, and a few others, then rerun lilo [20:55] alright [20:55] I think I'll jsut reinstall anyways, I don't think I want this Os anymore (win 7) [20:55] Reticenti the one restriction is it can't do bigger->smaller [20:55] I'd rather have XP [20:57] mm [20:57] kyeah [20:57] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:57] now to decide between arch or slack for my linux.... [20:58] no contest :) [20:58] :) [20:58] Reticenti, don't, use both [20:58] meh [20:58] then choose, or keep em [20:58] anyone know how to get a finger reply similar to the one at 'finger linux@kernel.org'? [20:58] that doesn't show a load of tty output and stuff? [20:58] I've used both, and tbh, I like slack better because of it's stability and how it just works out of the box [20:59] its* [20:59] well then you have your answer [20:59] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:59] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-75-51-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:59] and I only need XP for vidya games [20:59] because arch isn't about either of those [20:59] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] exactly [21:00] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [21:00] where is compiz-fusion on 13.1? the slackbuilds are for like 12.1 and 12.2, are they still good for 13.1? [21:00] they wrote their own dive [21:00] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] ? [21:01] burshki (~dcash@2002:442f:ac31:0:21e:65ff:fed1:4a6) joined ##slackware. [21:02] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [21:02] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [21:02] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:03] dartmouth, I believe compiz-fusion was replaced in kde v4. compiz-fusion was only needed for 3.x series due to no compositing in the de [21:03] Is this possible: I have one hdd right now for data, can I get another hdd, make it some kind of one drive raid, copy old data to the new hd, and then add the old drive into the raid? [21:03] alisonken1home, who the hell uses kde?! [21:03] i dont -want- kde. [21:03] i want compiz-fusion [21:03] dartmouth, well, Pat V for one, me for another :) [21:04] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] thats the bud of MS thinking in a linux distro. [21:04] dartmouth: iirc, you have to get compiz-fusion from slackbuilds.org and it's in the 12.1 stuff [21:04] no - that's Pat V. making slackware the way he has always made slackware. did you check slackbuilds.org? [21:05] Reticenti, yeah; i was just asking if the 12.1 and 12.2 slackbuilds will still be good for 13.1 [21:05] dartmouth: I used them for 13.0, and they worked beautifully [21:05] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] i mean if pat wants to do the kde thing and nothing else, why not just branch slackware into 'kdeslack' and the rest of us can continue slackware as it was originally set out to do. [21:06] pnq (asdf@ACA516C2.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [21:06] use whatever wm or DE you want [21:06] when someone takes over slackware after pat dies, you can suggest that you take over maintenance of slackware [21:06] lol [21:07] nah im not qualified lol; but i recognize when core values change. [21:09] veritos (karhu@vergil01.u.washington.edu) left ##slackware. [21:09] dartmouth: I think Pat actually uses KDE .. to answer your earlier question. [21:11] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [21:13] alisonken1home, who will continue to do your work when you die? [21:13] gm152_ (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] powtrix: alisonken1home has cloned himself already for that purpose. [21:14] powtrix, what work do I do? I just put in my 0.02 every now and then [21:14] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:15] eh today we have clones :P [21:15] i think i am a clone [21:15] we're all clones of alisonken1home [21:15] actually [21:15] or maybe we're all a part of alisonken1home [21:15] 's imagination [21:15] my life mission is to find the original mancha [21:16] hm mars [21:16] shake his hand or stab him,mancha? [21:16] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:16] MLanden harvest organs! [21:16] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [21:17] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.40.108.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:17] lol...check the source..make sure they're pink and strong....:D [21:18] my luck he'll be a chain-smoking, beer-drinking, whore-chasing, slackware user [21:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d-aWMQuoS4 [21:18] "I think I'm a clone now" Wierd Al Yankovich [21:18] mancha, 1 out 4's not bad...:() [21:19] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] :> [21:20] oh god I fit that description... [21:20] Action: dive hides [21:20] mancha: He'll be a windows user :3 [21:20] aka your evil clone [21:21] Reticenti, lol.....last word from him,with 1000 popups on his monitor....Can you fix this? [21:22] only 1,000 popups? he must have fixed something :) [21:23] pulled the modem cable [21:24] flrichar (~toril@gfp.geexology.org) joined ##slackware. [21:24] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/11/64_bit_flash_for_linux_dead/ <-- El Reg "Flash 64-bit euthanized" [21:25] basically, Adobe halted the 64-bit beta version of flash. Possibly it will re-look at it at a later date [21:25] "We remain committed to delivering 64-bit support in a future release of Flash Player. No further information is available at this time. Please feel free to continue your discussions on the Flash Player 10.1 desktop forums." [21:26] v4nelle (~van@79.107.243.180) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:26] sounds like the beginning of the end [21:27] It was terrible, now I have to figure out how to get 32-bit flash to work on my 64-bit Opera installation, which isn't going so well. [21:27] On the other hand, I'm back here on Slackware after sojourning for a bit in Suse Linux Enterprise land. [21:27] So that's good. [21:28] the funny part is that the Adobe forums say "This is only for the 32-bit version of flash" - and a slashdotter noted that the 64-bit forums are marked read-only :) [21:28] revved the rpms,arcfide? [21:30] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [21:35] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [21:39] slack_fish (~1@221.8.58.194) joined ##slackware. [21:40] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:43] hrmmm [21:43] its telling me bcop is not installed [21:43] but bcop is definitely installed [21:44] i just built it from source and installed it [21:46] dartmouth, compiz or libcompizconfig? [21:46] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:48] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:50] MLanden, now i've used the slackbuild [21:51] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.44) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:51] ya know, i think if the slackbuild folks went out of their way to make installing the compiz fusion suite any more convoluted it would have been an improvement... [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AA32.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] ls [21:53] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.135) joined ##slackware. [21:53] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) left irc: Quit: When all are one and one is all, to be a rock and not to roll. [21:54] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.177) joined ##slackware. [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488F9D5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:55] for someone who contributes next to nothing, you sure do bitch alot [21:55] Isn't that a contribution? :) [21:55] oh, look, a misnamed file, requiring the user to edit the slackbuild. [21:55] noobfarm contribution? :> [21:56] yes, at least intentional convolution would have had a systematic means of correction [21:56] Does the 13.1 fstab still have "devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0"? [21:57] Action: thumbs is surprised to find rob active in here again [21:57] thrice`, my chroot-based install was a horrible crash-and-burn, no agettys [21:57] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [21:57] thumbs, I come in here when I have Slackware issues :) [21:58] hmm :< was /dev mounted in there? [21:58] well that was the burn part ... udevd failed to start [21:59] that might explain it :> [21:59] The best Google suggestion was that it was related to having had udevd in initrd, but I ruled that out by trying a kernel which didn't use an initrd. [22:00] It boots up "okay" other than being headless. I can ssh in from the netbook (on the wire, because hostapd failed too.) [22:00] slack_fish (~1@221.8.58.194) left irc: [22:01] slack_fish (~1@221.8.58.194) joined ##slackware. [22:01] stormtra1knole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] why does this still happen? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/start-compiz-and-plugins-from-command-line-809130/ [22:02] stormtra1knole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [22:03] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:14] slack_fish_ (dd083ac2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.221.8.58.194) left irc: Quit: Page closed [22:16] isntall bcop/ [22:16] johndee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:19] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-173-116-22.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Peace out ;-) [22:19] Reticenti, i did, i built it from source [22:20] i think the issue is that someone went changing installation destinations when compiz was prepackages so if you build anything else from source is screws everything up [22:20] dartmouth, look in /usr/lib/pkgconfig and see if there's a bcop.pc file [22:21] peacenik (didier@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). [22:22] MLanden, i already removed bcop and also removed the compiz package to build it all from source, that was a mistake so im using slackpkg to reinstall compiz and then i'll do that lol [22:23] i did everything in sbopkg, and it just worked :shrug: [22:23] or do you consider sbopkg to be cheating? [22:23] Reticenti, what versions though [22:23] idk, the one on slackbuilds.org [22:23] because the only versions i saw in sbopkg were like.... 0.7.* [22:23] and its on like...0.8.6 now [22:24] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-173-116-22.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] lookin' in compiz release...part of it is,with the rest as 0.8.4 [22:25] MLanden, yeah i noticed that too [22:25] MLanden, it would be safe to assume that the latest package versions in a suite designed to come all together would be fine [22:26] unless of course a distro maintainer only built one of those packages and none of the others and changed the dest paths for the package [22:26] so that nothing could be compiled with it [22:27] but hey tahts just me [22:27] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:28] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-173-116-22.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Peace out ;-) [22:29] oh nice it looks like slacky.eu is on the ball [22:29] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-and-compiz-fusion-752803/ [22:30] sounds like you are mixing pre-built packages and then adding your own source-compile crap [22:31] yeah, i thought it would work out. [22:31] did you have a better idea? [22:32] slack_fish (dd083ac2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.221.8.58.194) joined ##slackware. [22:32] sure, create your own packages from the get-go [22:33] 19:20:57 < Reticenti> i did everything in sbopkg, and it just worked :shrug: [22:33] ./configure && make && makepkg $destination_of_package ? [22:33] just sayin' [22:33] dartmouth, that wont' work at all [22:33] groo (~groo@189.117.112.30) joined ##slackware. [22:34] groo (~groo@189.117.112.30) left irc: Client Quit [22:34] Action: dartmouth bites his tongue and listens [22:34] hehe [22:34] Irio (~iriohitch@200-203-59-209.pltce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:34] makepkg works on a structure of files; your example doesn't install anything [22:35] ok [22:35] with configure,,,,always good to place --prefix=/usr and sometimes after checkin' ./configure --help to make sure nothing you like is disabled then make [22:36] thrice`, so how would you do it? [22:36] Irio (iriohitch@200-203-59-209.pltce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [22:36] do what, install compiz? personally, I wouldn't :) [22:37] start with looking at the slackbuild and go from there? [22:38] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] thrice`, jesus man, to build the packages. [22:38] use a slackbuild script. slackbuilds.org is a great start [22:38] the only packages I use are from alien or robby, usually [22:38] every effing thing is an effing adventure, i dont want to be a 1337 effing sysadmin i just want my effing compiz like you can do easily on any other distro with less crap and more current packages. [22:39] then use any other distro if they are so much better. [22:39] then do us a favor and use another distro :) [22:39] 'learn these 12 distro-specific tools and convolute the hell out of the process until you've totally removed the purpose of the generality of slackware from your system' [22:40] Trying to install slack from samba source... how can I specify username and password? [22:41] tehrabbitt-droid: probably the easiest thing to do there is to mount it manually from the installer (at e.g. /shared) and then tell the installer to use a premounted directory [22:41] I even do that for NFS installs. [22:42] Speaking of package and such from me, the latest gdm update at SBo has some nifty info in README.SLACKWARE :) [22:42] dartmouth, I would suggest another distro rather than complain about slackware here. sympathy for your plight kinda evaporates when you harp on it [22:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:42] alisonken1home, it just seems we're far from home since 10.2 [22:42] Rworkman, how would I go about doing that? [22:43] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:43] dartmouth, since I've been using slackware since a looong time ago - it hasn't changed a bit as far as the packaging tools, other than the addition of slackpkg and sbopkg [22:43] tehrabbitt-droid: I've never done it with cifs, but mkdir /shared ; mount.cifs ... ; ... [22:44] alisonken1home, wooooosh! i'm talking about core values :P the 'purpose' of the distro. its principles. [22:44] dartmouth, and since you're looking for advanced packages rather than basic packages, you seem to be on a tangent [22:44] "tangent" is not the right word. [22:44] Buuntu (~Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) joined ##slackware. [22:44] it's principles have remained the same - you're harping about eye candy which is available with the base desktop environment [22:44] cosine? [22:44] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:44] Action: dartmouth looked for rant and found tangenterines [22:44] cotangent? [22:45] grafzero (~grafzero@unaffiliated/grafzero) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:45] rangent [22:45] Reticenti, groovy waves...:D [22:45] :) [22:45] and several people have already pointed you to the relevant places for adding eye candy to non-kde desktops [22:46] alisonken1home, yeah, ill just bookmark those for five or six years so i can get something close to a newer version [22:46] dartmouth: how the heck have the core values of Slackware changed? [22:47] dartmouth, slackbuilds.org is already noted in slackware as well as being bookmarked since a loong time ago as well [22:47] I'd say you might be a little behind in some things [22:47] alisonken1home, have you actually checked the versions on slackbuilds.org, or did you just assume I didn't? [22:48] What version of Slackware are you running? [22:48] or maybe you just didn't read when I said they're old versions [22:48] Figured it out I think [22:48] tehrabbitt-droid: cool :) [22:48] rworkman, im on 13.1 [22:48] dartmouth: and what versions of these things are offered in our 13.1 repo? [22:48] rworkman, they aren't. [22:48] dartmouth, think about it: slackbuilds uses the sources and make to create a new package - the only thing that slackware version does is note when that package was last verified [22:48] Your honor, I rest my case. [22:49] dartmouth: did you upgrade / reinstall since yesterday? [22:49] BP{k}, yeah [22:49] MLanden, Yep, I revved the RPMs, but I'm glad to be back in SlackBuild land now. :-) [22:49] so you seek support for unsupported packages? [22:49] thumbs, yes because apparently we're all kde4 fanbois now [22:49] dartmouth: no, that was not my point. [22:49] arcfide, lol....remember a post on a blog to cast the yast..:D [22:49] peacenik (~didier@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] thumbs, no it wasn't, and that makes it funny. [22:50] Non sequitur, anyone? [22:50] dartmouth: you still haven't changed, have you. [22:50] MLanden, I just got another SlackBuild for diffuse in my little pocket. [22:50] MLanden, The 13.1 Slackbuilds.org doesn't seem very populated right now. :-) [22:50] thumbs, im sorry. you're right. i should join the crowd and use kde4 instead. im so wrong. thats what slackware is all about. kde4. [22:50] what? [22:51] I've been meaning to submit a lot of my slackbuilds to slackbuilds.org, but I haven't taken the time to do so. [22:51] arcfide, it'll catch up...:) [22:51] yes rworkman, this is becoming very non sequitor [22:51] arcfide: it'll be populated as the 13.0 builds are either tested to work or updated for 13.1 [22:51] arcfide: ah, you should. The submissions are open. [22:51] dartmouth: s/becoming// [22:51] arcfide: there are like over 180 builds in the 13.1 repo [22:51] (re Reticenti's comment) [22:51] :) [22:51] 1800 [22:51] XGizzmo, Not of the software that I use. :-) [22:51] Action: rob0 bangs the gavel and yells, "GUILTY!" [22:52] yay! [22:52] rob0: can I execute the sentence? [22:52] We won, Maw! [22:52] thumbs: right away! [22:52] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:52] can i execute the prisoner? [22:52] you can execute the prisoner [22:52] thumbs down! [22:52] I will say that KDE seems to be quite a bit more snappy with 13.1 than it was on 13.0, which is very good. [22:53] Indeed [22:53] hey, all...brb [22:53] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] yes, kde seems to be faster and faster (albeit I don't use it often) [22:53] well, not yet [22:53] Action: MLanden sees the executioner sharpening up his axe....../F x_x [22:53] Although it still seems to have strange bugs that cause crashes every now and then with programs like Koepete. [22:53] I wonder what is the difference between xfce and kde4 now, in terms od speed. [22:53] "we're not kde4 fanbois." "hey god isn't kde4 nice on 13.1?" [22:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] "lets stop supporting everything else. i mean like...everything...d00d" [22:54] dartmouth: oh, you're supposed to be in jail now. [22:54] dartmouth: are you quite done spitting out your dummy? [22:54] dartmouth: yes, becase an unsupported pkg on slackbuilds.org should be supported by pat [22:54] fuckin' a. [22:54] I wonderwhy Slackware still uses Lesstif though, instead of using OpenMotfi? [22:55] arcfide, i think if openmotif starts integrating better with kde4 that we can see some neat updates with that. [22:55] lol...ok im done. [22:55] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Quit: moving [22:55] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [22:58] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124137.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [22:58] officergris_ (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:58] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.74.80.64) joined ##slackware. [22:59] officergris_ (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:59] officergris (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:59] officergris (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:00] TriniTuX (clayton@cuscon124137.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware. [23:00] officergris_ (~officergr@69.76.129.255) joined ##slackware. [23:01] officergris (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Disconnected by services [23:01] officergris (~officergr@cpe-69-76-129-255.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:01] gmbastos (~gustavo@200.162.200.150) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:02] officergris_ (~officergr@69.76.129.255) left irc: Client Quit [23:02] ahah, I was logged in on my other box [23:03] has anyone else experienced an issue with Audacious2 gtkuis playlist not letting you arrange songs? [23:09] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:09] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] greetings and salutations [23:09] Hey guys, have any of you used the SoftMaker Office suite? [23:09] salutations and greetings,andarius [23:09] salutations MLanden, how goes it ? [23:10] going good,thanks andarius..yourself? [23:10] not sure yet. settling in for the night so I will find out soon I hope [23:11] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:11] andarius, flash updated to 10.1 for 32bit...can use the slackbuild(after edit)...not sure the condition for 64bit [23:12] rworkman, i just changed the version in your 12.2 slackbuild for compiz-bcop to 0.8.4, and it is halting on the build, i must be doing something wrong :/ -- its creating the /tmp/SBo/package-compiz-bcop dir, but its just saying 'nothing to be done' and backing out before it creates the package [23:12] MLanden: adobe just slashed 64 bit for linux [23:12] MLanden: while that sounds interesting, no slackware on my desktop so no slackware flash :) [23:13] andarius, hear ya [23:13] well its not 'your' slackbuild, its david someros but you approved it ^_^ [23:13] thanks,Reticenti [23:14] I've actually been encountering some strange things in 13.1 for my old slackbuilds, where the set -e and sh -e stuff causes certain things to just stop. [23:15] Specifically the parenthesized commands that do things like stripping binaries and gzipping man pages don't run if I have set -e in the file or if I use sh -e in the header. [23:15] It's weird. [23:15] MLanden: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/11/64_bit_flash_for_linux_dead/ [23:15] arcfide: interesting. [23:16] Buuntu (~Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:17] However, the company says it intends to offer 64-bit Linux support in a future release. <-- looks more to me like they are just taking a break, far from dead [23:17] they fired the devs, perhaps. [23:17] dartmouth: yes, there's a reason that shit hasn't been updated for two releases. It steams. [23:17] andarius: jsut like valve is taking a break from releasing HL:ep 3? [23:17] arcfide, I believe it has something to do with the bash upgrade on slack 13.x [23:17] arcfide: bash4 exits the parent process if a subshell exits with nonzero status. [23:17] games are a far smaller user base than flash [23:18] rworkman, how can it compile into a package structure but not create into a package? lol [23:18] at least on the linux front [23:18] arcfide: and the subshell exits !=0 if either of the find(1) lines fails at any part [23:18] erm whatever sentence i was trying to form [23:18] dartmouth, might want to follow the slackbuild and see [23:18] rworkman, Ah. [23:18] might learn something [23:18] arcfide: see our latest templates: http://slackbuilds.org/templates/ [23:18] But why only with the -e options? [23:18] alisonken1home, yes, every linux user wants to pick every little thing apart trying to install something basic and simple on their system. [23:19] arcfide: because "-e" exits on error, and bash4 enforces it a bit more strictly [23:19] sorry - compiz is neither basic nor simple [23:19] nader (~nader@85.133.205.38) joined ##slackware. [23:19] dartmouth: your whining is starting to weight on the channel in a negative fashion. [23:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:19] Aaah. [23:19] if it was simple, I would think you would be able to build it [23:19] Action: andarius wonders how many leave in that block of text :) [23:20] andarius: too many. [23:20] Guess how many of them are rejected with sarcastic messages/ [23:20] lol, I expected as much [23:20] thumbs, I sent you a message in my apache about my feelings on that [23:20] *in #apache [23:20] dartmouth: you can't talk in #apache [23:20] See, my personal goal HAHA [23:21] thumbs, it seems we're in agreement. [23:21] dartmouth: and yes, I know who you are. And what you did. [23:21] er, my personal goal of SlackBuilds.org was to have an educational *and* useful project. If you approach the scripts with a "toaster oven" mentality, you're failing on the educational part. [23:21] what? lol. what did I do? [23:21] where would you like us to start? [23:21] dartmouth: #apache is moderated for a very good reason. Read the /topic [23:21] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] rworkman: welcome to the burger king generation. they want it their way right away, why should they have to learn... [23:22] http://xkcd.com/293/ [23:22] rworkman, what about a poker and a slice of bread to place over the fire kind of mentality...:D [23:22] This ain't fucking Burger King. [23:22] I agree completely [23:22] thumbs, im not really sure what youre getting at. [23:23] one reason I drilled that being unacceptable into the kid :) [23:23] dartmouth: yes, I know that. It's fine. [23:23] andarius: good :) [23:23] thumbs, i remember calling you down for your behaviour towards other users in your channel. thats all. [23:23] dartmouth: oh, and I'll make one exception and allow you to /pm me what you couldn't send me earlier. [23:23] sure. sent. [23:24] dartmouth: didn't receive anything. [23:24] thumbs, i know. 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[23:28] powtrix, heavy on the lettuce,onion and tomato?...:D [23:28] ever [23:29] MLanden, you mentioned something earlier about using the --prefix switch when compiling from source to avoid the issue with pkg_config not finding the dependency? [23:29] dartmouth: unless you add /usr/local/... to your paths. [23:29] dartmouth: the point of the package is to provide a way to remove package files. [23:30] thumbs, well, if it doesn't compile to a package without a crowbar then i can just build it in /usr/src/compiz/compiz-bcop and remove it that way [23:30] (since it builds fine) [23:30] dartmouth: it is *cleaner* to keep things in /usr/bin and /bin, as opposed to dumping everything in /usr/local as well [23:30] i just seriously don't have the patience to play with 7 slackbuild scripts all night [23:31] thumbs, ok, so --prefix=/usr/local is the agreed 'best practice' for that bad practice? ;) [23:31] erm, /usr/bin not /usr/local [23:31] dartmouth: the (new) templates should be followed and used, word-for-word. [23:32] UbuN2 (~go@93-97-212-42.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Closing Ports .... ByE !!! [23:32] dartmouth, yeah,if hand rollin'.... ./configure --prefix=/usr .. see if it doesn't cry for something then if all is well make then make install DESTDIR=/tmp/NAME..cd to /tmp/NAME then makepkg -l y -c n ../NAME.txz(or tgz) [23:32] thanks [23:32] be wary of tarballs that don't honour DESTDIR, too. [23:33] that would just make my night [23:34] true,thumbs...some like that BUILDDIR like scons packages and some qmake packages [23:35] Gah, editing papers is so time consuming. [23:35] garme (~garme@187.79.111.102) joined ##slackware. [23:35] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:35] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] Buuntu (~Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) joined ##slackware. [23:37] pnq_ (asdf@AC83ECA9.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [23:37] pnq (asdf@ACA516C2.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:38] dartmouth, rule of thumb,if you're hand rollin'...is to ./configure --help | less first and read through it to make sure nothing is disabled you may need down the road [23:39] pnq_ (asdf@AC83ECA9.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:40] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] garme (~garme@187.79.111.102) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:42] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] stu_ (~stuart@110.159.19.46) joined ##slackware. [23:46] does anyone have this alt-f2 problem, where the box won't appear [23:47] stu_, which WM/DE are you using? KDE4,XFCE4? [23:47] /quit [23:47] haqe19 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:48] MLanden, kde4 [23:48] stu_: WFM here [23:48] once in a while alt-f2 ceases to work, but alt-f1 n alt-f3 works just fine [23:49] thumbs, what's wfm [23:49] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:50] workd for me [23:50] yeah thats the thing [23:50] freakin doesn't work from time to time and i don't know why [23:50] stu_, using compiz? [23:51] MLanden, nopes [23:51] Action: dartmouth is so happy things are compiling again :) [23:51] Action: dartmouth hugs everyone [23:52] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.74.80.64) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [23:54] novacrust (~Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] novacrust (~Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Changing host [23:54] novacrust (~Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [23:54] thumbs, that's krunner,right? 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