[00:00] PS, i used my monitor for my own TV, and he didnt know how to do it, so i was set [00:00] my room only had 3/4 of a wall between it & the living room [00:00] (like, the ceiling was 10ft, but my wall only went up maybe 7ft) [00:00] lol [00:00] that sucks [00:00] impossible to shut out the noise [00:01] so you sabotaged the cable:) [00:01] should have locked your door, and started screaming like you were dying [00:01] the people who actually lived there with me were cool, they would keep it down while I was trying to sleep [00:01] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [00:01] heres a funny idea [00:01] but this one friend of one of them, would NOT turn down the TV no matter how politely I asked [00:02] I ended up disconnecting the cable, rolling up all the coax between the street & the house, and stashing it under my bed [00:02] heh-heh [00:03] wire a coax cable to an AC power cable. that should shut off the TV. plug into the coax wall jack and an AC wall jack. Poof, no more noise. [00:03] bryjen (n=bryjen@cpe-75-81-243-228.we.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:03] but it backfired on me. She started screaming and making even more noise than the damn jerry springer show she was originally watching... [00:03] lol [00:03] sheeple [00:03] Cotowar: eh, it was my TV, I didn't want to destroy it permanently... [00:03] lol [00:03] they aren't people anymore, they are sheeple [00:03] oh, nvm that idea them [00:03] I really should have just punched her lights out [00:03] i would like to see the result of that though, a cable with one coaxial end and one AC end [00:03] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) left irc: "Saindo" [00:03] Urchlay: I was going to make a much more crude suggestion, but that works. [00:04] eviljames: me too but didnt want to get booted [00:04] heh [00:04] it had to do with her mouth specifically... [00:04] I mean, I don't like hitting people, especially not female people, but what else do you do when someone's screaming at you at the top of their lungs? [00:04] and how to stop the noise... [00:04] fill the void. [00:04] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:04] think about it. [00:04] exactly [00:04] Action: eviljames high fives Cotowar [00:04] knowing this bitch, she would have tried to bite it off... [00:05] Action: Cotowar high fives eviljames [00:05] and knowing her boyfriend, I wouldn't have wanted to touch her... [00:05] cant bite if you break her teeth out with a hockey stick [00:05] :) [00:05] Urchlay: Therein lies the rub, so to speak. [00:05] nice and gummy then [00:05] Cotowar: As a Canadian, I cannot allow a hockey stick to be abused in such a fashion. [00:06] this woman also heard voices in her head, which she was convinced were the spirits of various dead people [00:06] one night she had a seance or something (while I was at work, thankfully) [00:06] i picked hockey stick because its tough. i ran mine over with my moms van once, not a crack was in it [00:06] but she didn't clean up the pentagram made of salt, after she was done [00:06] PS, im from minnesota. [00:07] install in-wall speakers and play whisper voices [00:07] YES [00:07] and I don't know who or what it came from, but there was what looked an awful lot like bloodstains on the floor the next day [00:07] That's a great idea. [00:07] just for fun [00:07] lol [00:07] (I checked, the dog wasn't dead, none of the neighbors were missing, so I dunno...) [00:07] hmmm [00:07] Dont they usually kill goats, chickens etc? [00:07] hav eyou ever put a slug in a salt maze? [00:07] s/kill/sacrifice/ [00:07] and yes, goats are good to kill [00:08] The make process for libmimedir-0.5.1 runs ranlib [00:08] I dunno where she would have found a goat in that neighborhood [00:08] and I get the error "ranlib: unable to copy file ...: Permission denied" [00:08] run as root? [00:08] redtricycle: as root? [00:08] and if she had killed a goat, I'm sure she would have left the rotting corpse on the living room floor, along with all the other crap [00:08] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [00:08] lol [00:09] eviljames: Okay, I'll try that [00:09] YOU should have killed a goat. to scare her away [00:09] it's just that I wanted to test as a normal user [00:09] candles burned all the way down with wax all over the carpet... [00:09] to make my slackbuild [00:09] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:09] redtricycle: good thinking [00:09] Urchlay, you should have run yarn all over the house in random lines, all tight, so when she comes home you can tell her you are prototyping a laser security system [00:10] heh [00:10] okay, runnign as root as the problem [00:10] -_- [00:10] redtricycle: This is particularly worrisome in that who knows if the make process is copying files somewhere it shouldn't be [00:10] redtricycle: make install should be putting files places, but not make I don't think. [00:10] think outside the box man. irritate her until she leaves. [00:10] fixes* the problem [00:10] I *should* have been able to just say "Get the fuck out of my house, you psychopathic whore" [00:10] i made my room mate move out in one semester [00:10] eviljames: nod, oh well...slackbuilds were meant to be run as root anyway [00:10] I was paying rent, and she was not [00:11] there you go. thats the way to think [00:11] should have told her gas grass or ass. [00:11] or just some money [00:11] cant get her pregs if you blind her with it... [00:11] :P [00:11] eventually I moved out of that house because I gave one of the roommates $400 to pay the 2-month-overdue power bill... [00:11] lol [00:12] I came home 12 hours later, the house was dark, and he's sitting there splitting up an ounce of weed into quarterbags [00:12] by candle light [00:12] lmao [00:12] thats awesome [00:12] kat williams did a skit on that [00:12] WTF 400 / oz? [00:12] well, this was about 2 years after I quit smoking it [00:12] What a rip off. [00:13] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [00:13] depends on what kind you get [00:13] eviljames: I dunno whether he spent all of it on weed [00:13] back in HS i used to sell white widow [00:13] those buds went for about $600 a piece [00:13] he was talking about how "I like the idea of going without electricity for a while, it's like roughing it" [00:13] lmao [00:14] I had to either pack up my shit and leave, or kill him where he stood [00:14] wow you lived with trash [00:14] Cotowar: Come to Vancouver one day. $150/o and it'll floor you. [00:14] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [00:14] well, I kinda was trash back then I suppose [00:14] Man, this channel can get WAY off topic [00:14] didn't think of myself that way... [00:14] dude, you have no idea how much i wish to live in that very place [00:14] Action: eviljames does [00:14] i know many many women there, all fine as dimes [00:15] Marry one. Become a Canadian. [00:15] and yet here i am, a yankee behind enemy lines in the rebel south [00:15] i want to man, you dont even know [00:16] bleah. My aunt married a "yankee", took a bunch of crap from the family for it... [00:16] back in my MMORPG days i knew a lot of canadians. now not so many [00:16] now the "yankee" is a bigger bigot than any of 'em [00:16] lol [00:16] im from minnesota, grew up near chicago, now im in charlotte. this place is full of ignorance and stupidity [00:17] I'm from atlanta, still in atlanta... and this place is also full of ignorance and stupidity [00:17] people who think the civil war never happened, or that their side didn't get their asses kicked [00:18] like, today i was in my macroeconomics class, and this one guy says, in a hick southern accent mind you, "we ain't nevuh gon youse nonna this neways, why we gota lurn it" [00:18] a cab driver I rode with not long ago who seemed like a pretty nice guy until he started talking about how all people from India should die... WTF? [00:18] lol [00:18] everyone knows that [00:18] Must have been pakistani or kashmiri [00:18] :) [00:18] who, the cab driver? white guy [00:18] oh WTF [00:19] did he have the chevrolet logo tattooed on his neck? there is a guy in my N carolina town with that [00:19] it has flames on it [00:19] nah [00:19] hes cool. i want to be him [00:19] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.141.72) left irc: "leaving" [00:19] he was driving a Lincoln town car as a cab... this was while gas prices were over $4/gallon. No idea how he made a living [00:19] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [00:19] Urchlay, im like 2 hours away from you. [00:20] Cotowar: charlotte is 2hrs from atlanta? [00:20] Yep [00:20] I did not know that... [00:20] cause S Carolina is so small right there [00:20] i can fly to atl in like 40 mins [00:20] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [00:20] man your arms must get tired! [00:20] Action: eviljames slaps a knee [00:20] ok, now I'm off to have a little puff. [00:20] lucky... [00:21] i bet our tobacco is cheaper than yours... [00:21] I know it's not much more than an hour to the alabama border... but the only good thing to come out of alabama is I-20 [00:21] lol [00:21] and NFL players... [00:21] Cotowar: haha it is. Fortunately I quit that bad habit recently. [00:21] Action: eviljames has no intention of quitting any others [00:21] good [00:21] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) joined ##slackware. [00:22] coach always said never quit [00:22] bleah, smoking is the only nasty habit I have left [00:22] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] where would I be without it? [00:22] i smoke cigars [00:22] MadKento (n=kento@tutts.ost.sgsnet.se) joined ##slackware. [00:22] if I didn't do *something* bad/evil/wrong, I'd be boring as hell... [00:22] and i smoke cigs before work because my boss is insane [00:22] Urchlay: there is one more - life itself :P [00:22] i cant drink anymore, and im 20 [00:22] agris: too young to die [00:23] lol [00:23] it's never too late [00:23] of course I'll be saying that even if I live to be 300 [00:23] :P [00:23] oh, hi [00:23] man, only the good die young, and at my rate, ill live forever [00:23] hey [00:23] hola [00:23] howdy [00:23] salve [00:23] just installed slack on virtual pc [00:23] telnet 130.126.156.50 443 [00:24] top o the mornin to ya [00:24] and decided to check out how it's going round here [00:24] 443 is not the telnet port... [00:24] its HTTPS... [00:24] I bet he knows that [00:24] does he?! [00:24] ^_^ [00:24] i bet he checks connection :) [00:24] there's only one way to find out [00:24] not sure whether he knows he typed that in his IRC window though :) [00:24] lol [00:24] :D [00:25] ive done that [00:25] it could be worse [00:25] su - [00:25] hahaha [00:25] [00:25] I did that once, but didn't press enter after the password [00:25] pft, i was trying to get you guys to telnet to that address. didn't work at all [00:25] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [00:25] i like the launchpad helps where people do the rtfm fix [00:25] and no i will not [00:26] its that easy to telnet though? ive never tried it. ive only done ssh [00:26] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:26] well, the telnet client is useful for debugging any text-based service [00:27] like, telnet to a web server on port 80 and type an HTTP request [00:27] okay, can you web browse from CLI? [00:27] just wondering [00:27] or port 25 on a mail server and manually speak SMTP to it [00:27] sure [00:27] will it show anything, or will it show everything? [00:27] everything being all source code [00:27] Cotowar: are you asking about links2? [00:28] i google from 'links' sometimes [00:28] like how would i go to google.com on the CLI [00:28] just http://www.google.com [00:28] links http://gooogle.com [00:28] normally you use a text-only browser, which will format the HTML into something resembling what a graphical browser would do, minus the images [00:28] ;D [00:28] oh [00:28] okay [00:28] anyone hear from nixchixor? [00:29] links, lynx, w3m... [00:29] spook_: good quetsion [00:29] it even shows cyrrilic by latin letters :D [00:29] neat [00:29] how about rsh, isnt that just a root shell? [00:29] actually links gets confused when I run it in a UTF8/unicode enabled xterm (its line drawing characters come out as weird stuff) [00:30] rsh = remote shell, now considered obsolete, replaced by ssh [00:30] offtopic: anyone knows some casual channel here, not those like openbsd and slackware :) [00:30] i only had to ssh for one class in college, it was my aero 160 class, and we had to do fortran programming on the linux server [00:30] oh, okay [00:30] ubuntu-offtopic [00:30] thats mainly anime though [00:30] think "insecure shell" :) [00:30] i suggest you avoid [00:30] oh, alright [00:30] anime fantatics fail at life [00:31] lol [00:31] Urchlay: i doubt it's links's fault... [00:31] about that utf8 [00:31] agris: probly not [00:31] anyone follow the mobile phone market? [00:31] globally that is? [00:31] for many years I didn't bother to deal with wtf8 or unicode [00:31] then someone talked me into it [00:32] but I still can't read or pronounce any of the new set of weird characters I can display [00:32] time for some Arrogant Bastard Ale [00:32] do you guys use palms? [00:32] or blackberries? [00:32] (someone's talking in Russian, what difference does it make to me whether it shows up in cyrillic or ascii garbage? I still can't read it...) [00:32] lol [00:32] cyrillic is cooler though [00:32] Cotowar: I have a blackberry pearl, worst phone ever. [00:32] Cotowar: crackberries [00:32] lol [00:32] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-205-80.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:33] othermindszine (n=othermin@118.sub-70-192-105.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:33] superGear (i=1000@c-67-177-202-93.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:33] i got a curve, i like it quite a bit [00:33] almost got the pearl, but it was too skinny [00:33] been drinking with a bunch of Bulgarians lately [00:33] I heard they fixed a lotof the pearl problems with the pearl. but juts like perl the pearl sucks. [00:33] curve is ok, anyways... i preffer nokia 1020 to it [00:33] they get drunk and forget I can't speak Bulgarian... [00:33] hahahaha [00:33] Action: eviljames just reread his statement. [00:33] but I stay entertained anyway [00:33] i wanted the palm pre, but its sprint exclusive [00:33] Cotowar: for that last one, the 2nd pearl = curve [00:34] yea, its pretty nice [00:34] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:34] the storm only has one feature on it that i like, and thats full HTML support. [00:34] hm. Not really a PDA, but... anyone got a eeepc? [00:34] oh, and did you know blackberries have the real estate Supra key in them? [00:35] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:35] aspire one here... um :) with broken display [00:35] nope, i was looking at getting a netbook though for network administration at home, and possibly war driving [00:35] Action: Old_Fogie waves hi to the channel [00:35] hi Old_Fogie [00:35] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [00:35] was also thinking of getting a monolith for war driving [00:36] Action: firebird619 waves hi to Old_Fogie. [00:36] :D :D [00:36] hey agris, I have a bunch of aspire one's what happened to yours? [00:36] i puched display accidentaly [00:36] *pushed [00:37] linux based phone with every wireless communication you can imagine. perfect for uClinux and network sniffing software [00:37] agris, ah I see :( [00:37] nothing big ;) [00:37] anyone check out the palm pre? [00:37] that was curse for buying it with windows xp :D [00:37] haha [00:38] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] anyways, btw, slackware 12.2 runs greatly on it [00:38] i need an IBM netbook [00:38] how about x40 12.1 :) [00:38] *12.1 inches [00:39] was thinking of the S series actually [00:39] agris, yeah I had to buy the 10 I got with XP home on them too, all have linux now tho :) but the windows stinks on it for sure. the mcafee they gave in the windows just rots on the vine, even on a pc that only booted into windows once. had to restore it from an image , and remvoe mcafee on all of them on first boot in. [00:39] or the SL series...basically a macbook air with a blu-ray burner [00:39] hm? monolith? [00:39] right now all my xterm prompts say: $ [00:39] yea, its an israeli made phone [00:39] lol [00:40] but I named this box monolith because it's too big (like the monolith thingy in the movie 2001) [00:40] mine say Cotowar@Thor [00:40] Old_Fogie: I checked on small partition, found out it's ok, and wiped out that xp for my /home/user dir :D [00:40] you guys see the W700DS from Lenovo? [00:40] 17 inch laptop with a second 10.1 inch screen [00:40] hmz [00:40] pretty wicked IMO [00:40] yeah, heard of that [00:41] what, you carry an extra screen around? [00:41] or it folds out? [00:41] nope, it slides out the side of the monitor [00:41] agris, ah. what I did for mine was boot into windows, resized the winodws partition to really small, left the xp on there so if I needed to do bios updates, it should at least (in theory) just work). rest is slack/debain and home. [00:41] like a CD tray [00:41] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:41] it's just one for thing to snap off [00:41] agris, which there are bios updates out there for the aspire ones [00:41] and you can do split screen, spread, or disable altogether [00:41] for/more [00:41] it sounds like something that would break [00:42] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] Old_Fogie: well, it's possible to update fw even without windows. there was some key combination i found out at aspireone forums [00:42] oh, nullboy beat me to it [00:42] agris, yeah I saw that too. I'm just to paranoide :) [00:42] only if you play football with it. you shouldn't have problems if you just set it on a desk [00:42] agris, afraid of "bricking" it ya know. [00:42] Old_Fogie: it's working, i checked :D [00:42] oh, heres something ive been meaning to try [00:43] agris, did you get the ssd or sata? I got all sata drives on mine. [00:43] sata 120 [00:43] agris, yea same here. smart move I think. [00:43] is it possible to turn a USB flash drive into a dongle for my laptop with slackware? [00:43] ? [00:43] don't know.. actually i'd be happy with 8gb ssd [00:43] I have SCSI in mine... [00:43] what exactly do you want to do with the usb stick? [00:43] i hate it [00:43] + less weight [00:43] Cotowar: I expect mechanical stuff like that to be built really cheaply, and wear out long before they would if they were made 25 years ago [00:44] sad fact is, our culture knows how to make good stuff, but has decided it's better to make crap [00:44] i want it to be a security dongle, so you cant boot without having the stick plugged in [00:44] you need luks for that [00:44] and yes you can [00:44] agris, when the get to,,,,mmmm about 20 or 30 gig I'll go SSD. but til' then I feel kind of cramped. I like to just rsync over the home folder, not pay attention to copy/paste etc. I like almost settings to follow. [00:44] README_CRYPT.txt [00:44] okay [00:44] cause with ubuntu i can only make a bootable flash drive, i cant make a security dongle [00:44] Urchlay: No, decided it's better to *buy* crap, thus putting workers making good products out of a job. [00:45] eviljames: same result anyway [00:45] agreed ^^ [00:45] its actually better to make crap, then pay the good workers to re-make it, then sell it [00:45] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "the bird on my desktop, he crapped on my taskbar. guess i know what is for chow tomorrow..." [00:45] Urchlay: No, because if they wanted to make crap the workers would still have jobs, just crappier ones. [00:45] Old_Fogie: probably it depends on why do we need that kind of stuff (netbook). for me it's fast access to wifi at studies and some checks at work [00:45] agris, heh, just laziness I suppose :) [00:45] eviljames: unless the crap you want is so crappy you go to china to get it [00:46] Cotowar: Then you're f'd. [00:46] lol [00:46] agris, I hate opening a file one day, and it's the older one..then I have two updated copies of stuff, heh [00:46] :)) [00:46] china is good at making cell phones and math [00:46] the other day I was in a wal-mart and started wondering whether *anything* there was made by anything other than slave labor [00:46] yes [00:46] well, sort of [00:47] see, my dads company makes window cranks and hinges [00:47] they ordered 10 mil from china [00:47] the dumb chinese didnt realize there was a left and a right, so they just threw parts together. they got here and had to hire back all the laid off employees to re-work the parts [00:47] hm, not automotive window cranks? [00:47] so technically made in USA [00:47] house [00:48] not automotive [00:48] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [00:48] I had to repair the window crank in my old saturn, apparently it's made of unobtainium so I couldn't just replace it [00:48] I would have [00:48] haha [00:48] stainless steel can do it [00:49] or just make some wooden cogs and design it yourself [00:49] I call unobtainium "monkey metal" [00:49] :) [00:49] of course about 3 days after I had the window fixed so I could roll it up & down without using both hands, and without the crank coming off in my hand, I totalled the damn car [00:49] good investment if you ask me [00:49] LOLOL [00:49] Urchlay, that'll teach you to NOT crank and drive [00:49] heh [00:50] i bet that window looked DAMN nice when you crashed [00:50] what it taught me is that I'm too old to be a pizza delivery driver [00:50] lol [00:50] I txt on my blackberry and drive [00:50] and dick with my ipod and light cigarettes, and have sex and all sorts of other things [00:50] the sex one is tricky [00:51] yeah need a girl for that [00:51] especially if you drive a stick [00:51] Action: Old_Fogie hides [00:51] lol [00:51] at one time I drove a cab for a living. Caught myself juggling about 7 different things while driving... [00:51] i went to college at Iowa State. there is a whole lot of nothing out there. got on US 20, and she hopped on. i did the pedals, she did the wheel [00:52] vdv (n=vdv@62.217.159.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] amateurs. [00:52] sometimes i let go of the wheel completely, drive with my knees, and do things with both hands. [00:52] I do all of that while driving down a windy mountain highway at -40C [00:52] steering wheel, gear shift, radio handset, pen, logbook, coffee, road map [00:52] AND following a hockey game on a portable TV! [00:52] lol, eviljames, facebook is a powerful distraction when driving. [00:52] (crappy old car was an automatic, but I had to shift it into neutral when stopped, or else it'd cough and die) [00:52] radio, pen, logbook and roadmap are all blackberry now [00:53] and everyone knows canadians drive slow [00:53] you use km/h...lol [00:53] silly heads [00:53] Cotowar: Someone just got pulled over on the 400 doing 300 [00:53] eviljames: canucks ftw! ;) [00:53] nooper: well I'd make a crappy cab driver anyway [00:53] taquito (i=0@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] chopp: fo sho. [00:53] only had that job for a week [00:53] american [00:53] lol [00:54] and I probably couldn't use a blackberry to save my life [00:54] did you see the canadian that tried to jump a '72 buick across lake erie's channel to the US with a rocket and some fiberglass wings on the doors? [00:54] he had a plywood ramp [00:54] how blackberry saves your life? you throw it to bandit hoping it explodes touching ones head? [00:54] Cotowar: canada's that bad of a place to live that he'd go to that much trouble to escape? [00:55] the taxes [00:55] here it is. :) [00:55] waste of a good car it sounds like [00:55] Action: Urchlay would drive a '72 buick [00:55] it was the st. lawerence river, and a lincoln...my bad [00:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLsVWFGO7aQ [00:55] well, some Canadian guy (I think he is?) went over the falls today, he's still alive last I heard. [00:56] rather drive a '72 monte carlo supersport though [00:56] only 3 people done that and lived [00:56] hahahahaha!!! spent over a million dollars to jump a lincoln over a mile!! [00:56] this guy is just an idiot [00:56] Old_Fogie: what, in a barrel, like bugs bunny? [00:56] nope, just swam himself over the falls [00:56] are you watching the video i posted? [00:56] suicide attempt? [00:56] Old_Fogie: Our highest tax bracket is virtually the same as yours, goof. :D [00:57] 38% [00:57] Urchlay, that's what they think, he didn't really answer them by the time the chopper literally blew him to safer spot, he wouldnt reach for the help ropes or nothing [00:57] president carter had the highest bracket to almost 90% [00:57] Cotowar: Oddly, it coincided with the most productive times in America, before Reagan really blew everything up! [00:58] Action: eviljames likes to annoy reaganites [00:58] speaking of daredevils, I ran into evil knievel at a gas station in Butte, MN on the way back from sturgis a few years ago. [00:58] it takes time to see the effects of a policy [00:58] SWEET [00:58] chopp: That's awesome. [00:58] it was [00:58] we are just beginning to see the effects of bushes economic policies [00:58] chopp: But I think it's Butte MT, MN = minnesota [00:58] Cotowar: heh, don't get me started, I don't have the time for this right now :D [00:59] lol, agreed. BTW, i vote for a revolution and restructuring of the whole government [00:59] im not a neo-con just so everyone knows [00:59] what's wrong with neo-cons? [01:00] umm, religion? [01:00] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.47.219) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] that and abortion are the issues i go liberal on. [01:00] everything else is conservative for me [01:00] i vote for NASA ignoring a huge space rock and not giving us any notice of the impending doom. [01:00] lol [01:00] that would be cool [01:00] taquito (i=0@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [01:01] i vote for legalization of all drugs so i can eat some shrooms at work [01:01] nullboy: I thought they gave us 2 days notice. :) [01:01] if the space rock is coming i'll eat all the drugs [01:01] PS, my political beliefs are actually closer to singularitarianism than anything else [01:01] but in the traditional party system, im a moderate [01:01] i'm a lunatic [01:02] i like my guns [01:02] heh [01:02] brb gotta take a HUGE ubuntu [01:02] Cotowar, well you can be a conservative, and not be a religous person. look at rush limbaugh for example. [01:02] lol [01:02] so. I suppose it shows foresight, the guy had parachutes in the car [01:02] i dont necessarily agree with conservative policies though, im just more that way than liberal [01:02] but how could they have miscalculated the angle that badly? [01:02] canadian [01:03] looks like it went straight up [01:03] Cotowar: the conservative policies are: know nothing that isn't written in the bible, or the failed economic theories of Arthur Laffer. [01:03] hey no more political puppet talk [01:03] yeah [01:03] save that for #slackware-social [01:03] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.47.219) joined ##slackware. [01:03] what happened is this, as someone who was formerly an aerospace engineer student [01:03] (spamming the channel) [01:04] evil: i just dont believe in getting stuff you dont work for. and i think you should get to keep what you earn. [01:04] Cotowar, ++ [01:04] basically that was the most un-aerodynamic car ever [01:04] the wings were sails [01:04] Cotowar: haha come on. That's not conservative or liberalk, it's obvious. [01:04] yah, and I can't imagine those stubby little wings had any real effect [01:04] liberals want to give free hand outs. look at welfare. [01:05] HAHAHA [01:05] ok, I'm done. [01:05] Urchlay: they flipped the car upside down [01:05] the road was bumpy, so he couldnt get the speed he needed [01:05] not to mention the car was steel and heavy as shit [01:06] not to mention..it's a car and not an airplane... [01:06] that too [01:06] eviljames: http://www.casebliss.com/tmp/evil.jpg [01:06] yeah, I remember those things were like tanks [01:06] yea, my mom had an olds, and i was in it when she wrecked it. dented at 35 head on with a buick. [01:06] chopp: You're a rad dude, eh? [01:07] todays cars would basically explode into toothpicks [01:07] chopp: I assume that's you in the vets [01:07] vest [01:07] Action: Urchlay had a '76 Gran Torino station wagon. A yacht on wheels... [01:07] eviljames: that it is. [01:07] Action: Cotowar had a '96 grand am GT and a '96 Cutlass Supreme [01:07] Action: Cotowar wants to do this to his cutlass [01:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDqsJG6W6iI [01:08] chopp: It's funny, it's like looking into my future I guess. [01:08] chopp: Because I dress/look sorta similar ;) [01:09] except you don't have enough pierced to be me. [01:09] that old wagon once went fully ballistic [01:09] k, gone. [01:09] drove up a hill in winter, the other side of the hill was iced over [01:09] I might as well have been flying through the air, no effect at all from steering or brakes [01:09] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.47.219) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:10] lol [01:10] plowed into this poor girl at the bottom of the hill in an escort [01:10] she had just slid down the hill herself, and was sitting there freaking out, and *blam* [01:11] lol. i guess you antlantians arent used to ice huh [01:11] only happens like once every 10 years [01:11] if she'd had any common sense at all it would have occurred to her that other cars might be coming down the hill pretty soon, so she ought to get the hell out of the way... [01:12] lol [01:13] eviljames: I've got a shitload of tattoo work on my carcus, but just a tad too old for the piercing's. :P [01:13] so how about a 427 big block in a VW bug? [01:13] there were something like 20 collisions within 5 minutes [01:13] compiling qt4 is gnarly [01:13] silly southerners [01:14] chains, salt, sand, and low gears [01:14] sounds like an S&M clip [01:14] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:14] well if I'd known the roads were going to ice over I could have just stayed home [01:14] we got no warning [01:14] true [01:14] im in it with you man [01:15] the weather people in the QC are like "we are getting snow maybe, but we dont know when, where, or how much" [01:15] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.47.219) joined ##slackware. [01:15] If i leave my laptop in suspend for an extended period time, i'm not sure how long that is it could be anywhere between 2min to X amount of hours, and try to resume the screen flashes and i can see a glimps of what was up before i suspended but then it goes back into suspend mode. I've checked my syslog and i have [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *error* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0, right before i had to shut i [01:15] meanwhile, back where my family is in detroit, weather people do that in their sleep [01:15] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:15] the real problem was, I had this one particular girl in the car with me [01:15] every time I drove anywhere with her in the car, something fucked up would happen [01:15] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [01:16] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Should i try putting my video module in the "suspend_modules" section in /etc/pm/config.d/defaults ? [01:17] should have made her walk [01:17] in fact I think between the ages of 20 and 30, I never once got pulled over by the cops when she *wasn't* riding with me [01:17] eventually I did ban her from my car [01:17] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.47.219) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] i got nailed by the CHP in the middle of the california desert [01:18] first I told her "you're not allowed to bring drugs in my car" [01:18] on a road that is straight for 25 miles [01:18] i was doing 85 in a 55 [01:19] which pretty much equates to "you are not allowed to ride in my car at all" for this chick [01:19] lol [01:19] agentc0re: it would be great if you name your slack version etc :) [01:19] druggy chicks [01:19] mmmhmmmm [01:20] well I quit talking to her at all when I met her new boyfriend and he offered me a hit off his glass pipe [01:20] uva (i=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:20] crack I guess, or ice, I dunno [01:21] or weed [01:21] no, not weed [01:21] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] some kinda little white thingies [01:21] or just some tylenol smashed up [01:21] smelled nothing like weed [01:21] you know what else i stopped you for? [01:22] anyway I had the urge to kill her boyfriend, had to leave, haven't seen either one since then [01:24] agris: Dur.. :P I guess that would help. ;) I am running 12.2 but right now I am on 2.6.29-rc7. Only because i am troubleshooting another bug (maybe they might be releated??) with the kernel guys because i kept getting a kernel message on resume about how it disabled an irq. [01:25] been pulled over doing 85 in a 55 way out in the sticks and told to "just keep it down below about 80, OK?" [01:25] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.162.247) joined ##slackware. [01:25] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:25] not by the state patrol though... when you say CHP all I can think of are Ponch and John [01:25] I'm trying to tether my phone to my computer for internet. when I type "dhcpcd rndis0", I get a message that says [01:26] "broadcastAddr optionis missing in DHCP server response. Assuming 192.168.0.255" [01:26] I dont know if that's the cause of my not being able to log online [01:26] eh, that's normally not a fatal error [01:26] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:27] I mean, if the response is missing the broadcast address, it still means you *got* a response [01:27] Hrm, I dont know how else to debug it [01:27] em, broadcast is assumed correctly, if you're in 192.168.0.0/24 [01:27] :D [01:27] check route and resolv.conf [01:27] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] "route -n", see what your default gateway is, ping the gateway... [01:28] Okay, one sec [01:28] I have to disconnect to do that [01:28] fun [01:28] why? [01:28] b/c this is on another computer, and I'm tethered onto my laptop [01:28] I cant make my desktop tether at the moment [01:28] brb [01:29] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: "Leaving" [01:29] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left irc: Connection timed out [01:29] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [01:29] so you disconnect, go try to find out whatever we asked you, then you reconnect and tell us what you found out... [01:29] this might take a long time [01:30] yeah.. ) [01:30] well I don't feel too bad about the fact that I'm going to get a sandwich... [01:30] face recognition is scarry stuff. [01:30] sudo make me a sandwich [01:31] :) [01:31] I want a t-shirt with that xkcd comic on it [01:31] unfortunately nobody'd get the joke, so there's no point [01:32] nullboy: mind having a look at my gateway firewall script to see if you can spot where I went wrong? [01:32] testing [01:32] Okay, back onto my laptop [01:32] I can't ping the 192.168.0.1 which is in resolv.conf [01:32] bono (i=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Channel flood from redtricycle -- kicking [01:32] the gateway is 0.0.0.0 [01:32] redtricycle kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:32] ehhh [01:32] good night guys [01:32] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:32] chopp: if you pastebin it we can aaallll look! YAY [01:32] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:32] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10979 [01:33] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.162.247) joined ##slackware. [01:33] redtricycle: well, try to put ifconfig manually [01:33] redtricycle: are you sure the gateway is 0.0.0.0? or was that the destination? [01:33] Destination: 169.254.2.0 [01:34] Gateway: 0.0.0.0 [01:34] that's fine [01:34] Oh, okay, hrm [01:34] what about the line whose destination says 0.0.0.0? [01:34] e.g. 0.0.0.0 192.168.88.1 0.0.0.0 UG 1 0 0 ra0 [01:34] ifconfig dnis0 netmask && route add default gw [01:34] I dont have one [01:34] ah, that would be a problem [01:34] my system is way laged right now [01:34] soon [01:34] g [01:34] cs [01:35] volkerding: http://webdemo.pittpatt.com/recognition_demo/view.php?id=2EHRVSMGQL710 [01:36] hmm... [01:37] so you're getting a DHCP response that doesn't in fact give you a default gateway [01:37] ehm, you sure the DHCP server is set up correctly? [01:37] hmmm. foomatic is unhappy with the last update on current... anyone else see this? [01:37] what would be the dhcp server? [01:37] would that be the phone? [01:37] either the phone, or whatever the phone connects to [01:38] hm, okay, then I'll check synce [01:38] which is the software I'm using [01:38] I really don't know anything about cel phones [01:38] odccm is what detects the phone [01:38] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:38] I laugh at how slammed allan hicks appears to be in that pic everytime I see it. [01:39] lol [01:39] last time I did anything like that, it was treating the cel phone as a modem, doing PPP (I actually had to dial a fake phone number) [01:39] chopp i'll look soon, my system is so lagged that ff won't even open up right now [01:40] qt4 compile + 40GB disk to disk cp [01:41] nullboy: ok thanks, I'd appreciate any help with it. I have it up and running with an arno-iptables-firewall script, but want to use rworkman's modified rc.firewall.alamo. [01:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:42] diabolix: who's who in the pic? [01:43] agentc0re, patrick volkerding, that thing recognized it was him in both pics. [01:43] fred, allan hicks, rworkman, dunno, patrick [01:43] diabolix: I knew the one is pat, but i meant everyone else. Sorry for not being clearer. [01:43] chopp: AH, cool. Thanks. [01:44] np [01:44] and who's that girl deep in left? [01:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:44] just a hoe [01:44] lol [01:44] you go here: http://webdemo.pittpatt.com/recognition_demo/index.php, give it two urls, and it finds the people who are the same. [01:45] whats the general time that dd takes to zero out a 120g external? [01:45] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [01:45] I better shut the hell up, might be someones wife for all I know. :P [01:45] hehe [01:45] frullet, I'd say use the shred command, it has a verbose option. 'man shred' it's pretty straight forward. [01:45] that pic...from left to right girl not included, IIRC: Fred, Alan_Hicks, Mr. Workman, some dude i don't know, Pat, Armit [01:46] nullboy: yup [01:46] Old_Fogie, Alright, ill check it out [01:46] agentc0re: ^^ [01:48] othermindszine (n=othermin@159.sub-75-216-74.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:48] nullboy: some dude you don't know looks like he's getting fresh with pat and grabbin some ass :P [01:48] lol [01:48] lmao [01:49] that would explain the look on the girl's face [01:50] Hahah, DUI suspect freed after cop's facebook status was reveled for that day. http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/67taz8khN5U/article.pl [01:51] omfg [01:51] that's awesome [01:52] Maybe if i created a work facebook profile and gave it to everyone and then always had a status of, removing web access to anyone that calls me... Maybe i wont be bothered. ;) [01:53] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:53] so if i set my status to "I did not do it" i can get away with murder? [01:55] "but your honor, my myspace mood was set to 'not murderous' during the time of the murder!" [01:55] HAH HAH [01:56] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.162.247) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:58] HAH Cotowar, not even a slackware user for more than a day and already on noobfarm. That's not a good sign. [01:58] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.162.247) joined ##slackware. [01:58] gentoo? lol [01:59] omg, ryan said UT3 is still comming to linux?!?! '...since I imagine that the notice of mailing list software change will spark a (well deserved) round of complaints--after all, I have been largely absent from this list despite the cries for updates--I just wanted to drop a note and say that the UT3 linux and mac work is still ongoing. Largely we're just optimizing and fixing annoying bugs at the moment.' [01:59] gentoo? [01:59] edman007: wow cool [02:00] yea, and 'No release date at the moment. Yes, I know we're already 16 months late. I'm sorry, we'll get you the game as soon as we can. ' [02:00] edman007: better work with nvidia driver ;) [02:00] 16 months late and no release data in site :( [02:00] edman007: Ya, did you see the PIC's of the client? I found them just a few days ago myself. [02:00] Action: edman007 has an ATI [02:00] edman007, I'll beleive it when I see it. Plus the unreal engine has a bad sec flaw in it, let's hope they include the fix for it if they do [02:00] edman007: i know i like poking that nerve haha [02:00] Action: edman007 slaps nullboy [02:00] i'm like the dentist after you tell him *this tooth hurts* [02:01] *STAB* [02:01] othermindszine (n=othermin@159.sub-75-216-74.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [02:01] Old_Fogie, well i actually already gave up on UT3, but ryan is the one hired to port it to mac and linux, so i expect some truth to what he says [02:01] othermindszine (n=othermin@159.sub-75-216-74.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [02:01] qt4 has been building for the last 3 hours [02:01] wtf [02:01] nullboy, well maybe if you had a faster system... [02:02] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.28 | Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz MHz (8 cores) | Mem: 2777/8166M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 1026G Free: 267G | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 279 | Up: 02:01:56 up 9 days, 3:46, 13 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.12 [02:02] like that ^ [02:02] Linux neutrino 2.6.28.7-RAS #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Mar 11 18:41:39 PDT 2009 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [02:02] haha [02:02] i can has gigahertz? you haz? [02:02] sucks [02:02] Hah, they said Willy in the news paper. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1733177.ece [02:02] agentc0re, lol [02:02] willy chopped?!? [02:03] i think i would do more than sue [02:03] http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2289073.ece HAHA dog munches manhood! [02:04] wait....a grown man gets a circumsicision and thats when they find out he has dick cancer? what are the odds of that? [02:04] Action: edman007 gets his probability book [02:04] lol [02:04] dick cancer? [02:04] wtf is right [02:05] It's the probability his life sucks, thats for sure. [02:05] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-176-63.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:05] I can only imagine waking up and telling the doc, "It hurts more than i would have expected" doc: "Ya, thats cuz we cut the whole thing off". [02:06] its like a haircut - "I told em to just take off a half inch, but they took alot more !" [02:06] ORLY? *insert owl face here [02:06] if they cut of my dick i'd expect tits in return [02:06] lol [02:07] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [02:07] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:07] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) joined ##slackware. [02:07] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:07] they wake you up "well the bad news is your penis has been removed, the good news is we gave you a pair of 36D's [02:07] end quote [02:09] girl in my class just got a breast reduction from a G, yes a G to a C cup [02:09] that's brutal [02:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:09] its like slapping god in the face [02:10] to quote superbad. [02:10] only the best movie of all time [02:10] frullet: Dude, G's would be like haven't elephantiasis. You'd want a reduction as well. [02:10] i've never even heard of G [02:10] that's out of control [02:11] yeh, if i had the chronic hunch back she had from them i would want them gone to. [02:11] clerks, directors cut, best movie of all time. truly the worst day anyone could ever have. [02:11] she wouldn't have a back hunch laying down, so who cares? [02:11] lol [02:11] omfg [02:12] i think a little bit of my soul died just from reading that one [02:12] I imagine one under each armpit [02:12] I remember reading an article about a women who wanted to get some huge implants but she couldn't get it done by any doc's in the US so she flew to brazil to have it done. [02:12] I think it was like 36 double K or something. [02:13] If i can't even cup one with both hands what's the point? [02:13] whats is wrong with people, dead set [02:13] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] i think they actually become a suffocation hazard at any size beyond F and then require proper safety labeling [02:15] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-245-89.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:15] when she's 50, what do they call the hair between them? [02:15] sorry 38KKK, http://www.phillyd.tv/2009/02/05/how-big-is-too-big-for-breasts/ [02:15] OMFG! [02:15] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:16] agentc0re, not as bad as i thought they would be.. [02:17] whats the largest sized disk anyone has zero'd out with dd? [02:17] 1tb [02:17] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:17] over usb [02:17] how long did it take? [02:17] 5 days. [02:18] i've zeroed out 750s and it took about a day and a half [02:18] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.162.247) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:18] ok, my situation doesnt seem so bad now [02:18] but that was with fast disks and sata150 [02:18] then again, i did it from /dev/urandom [02:18] im zeroing out a 120gig external over usb [02:18] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [02:18] yeah i used /dev/zero in my case [02:19] frullet: if it's working a decent usb2 speeds i'd give it a long time, probably min 5hrs [02:19] while i doubt the random number generator was the the holdup in my case, i think the disk would take longer to do error checking on data that isn't constant zeros. [02:20] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:20] dev zero is nice for the speed but it's too clear that the disk has been wiped after dev zero [02:20] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) joined ##slackware. [02:21] eross (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:21] i've fdisked my harddrive, how do i format it? mk2fse? [02:21] the only times i'd zero a disk with unrandom are if it is changing owners or if it is going to be encrypted. for tests i'd just use dev zero [02:22] /sbin/mk* [02:22] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.162.247) joined ##slackware. [02:22] its also kind of clear when its purely random. i've done it because I was contractually obligated to after finishing work for a customer. [02:22] Hey, have you guys seen "I'm on a boat" from Lonely Island? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU [02:23] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.162.247) left ##slackware. [02:23] diabolix: anytime it's contract or client related i use urandom [02:23] roccity_ (n=roccity@ip-118-90-120-233.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:23] but just zero if i'd testing a disk [02:24] hey guys im having trouble using koffice [02:24] you can make badblocks write patterns too if you want [02:24] it keeps saying that im missing libs like liblmath.so [02:24] im using slack current [02:24] roccity_: let me check one sec [02:24] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:24] how are you causing that error? [02:25] nullboy: I installed cureent today then install kde 4.2 [02:25] nullboy: not sure [02:25] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-247-92.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:25] bed time for me... [02:25] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:26] nullboy: I didn't have kde installed before just fluxbox [02:26] roccity_: ....what are you doing when that error happens? [02:27] null trying to start kword, I get them with all koffice but all lib errors [02:27] nullboy: doesn't matter if it's koffice or kspread [02:27] roccity_: is kdelibs installed? [02:28] nullboy: yeah im using kde now [02:28] is all of kde installed now? [02:28] i'm not having any issues with kword and i just did a clean full install of -current [02:28] nullboy: yeah except like kdetoys [02:29] nullboy: hold on I get the error [02:29] roccity_: was this an upgrade from 12.2? [02:29] nullboy: yes [02:29] roccity_: what version koffice is installed right now? [02:29] you might need kde3 compat libs [02:29] nullboy: how do I get that [02:29] roccity_: it's in the current mirrors in extra [02:29] but wait [02:29] nullboy: I was using slackpkg [02:30] roccity_: ok, did you use slackpkg install-new ? [02:31] nullboy: i did before installing current [02:31] you should do it again [02:31] so that it installed all of the new stuff in -current [02:31] installs* [02:31] nullboy: im feel stupid thanks ill try that now [02:32] nullboy: ok there seems to be heaps [02:32] OH ya, nullboy that reminds me. Did you figure out wth happened with you updated to -current and your keyboard layout got all messed up? [02:32] roccity_: some packages have been removed too, check the changelog [02:32] I thought that it would have done that already [02:32] agentc0re: i did a clean install and everything works perfect [02:32] eross (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:33] roccity_: it does do it correctly...you need to tell it what to do [02:33] nullboy: I tried looking for robby's changelog but couldn't find it kept getting 404's [02:33] agentc0re: i have no idea what was causing the mess though, probably never will know [02:33] roccity_: there a lots of mirrors.... [02:34] nullboy: Well it's good that it's working now, but a pain that it happened like that. [02:34] nullboy: do I have to change mirrors? [02:34] agentc0re: that system has been running and upgrading through the various current developments for ~2 years [02:35] it was beautiful and ugly all at the same time [02:35] lol [02:38] bryson (n=bryson@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [02:39] ay [02:40] anyone there [02:40] where [02:40] nope, just bots [02:40] what?!? who's there? [02:40] Welcome to ##Slackware, bryson [02:40] isn't there just here with a t? [02:40] hey could help me out geting dri to work [02:41] Welcome to ##Slackware, bryson [02:41] Action: nooper debugs nullboy [02:42] nullboy: you a genius thanks bro [02:42] Action: panzer steals nullboy's lunch money [02:42] roccity_: cool! [02:42] nullboy: I thought I had everything [02:43] nullboy: I thought that it might be something with linking [02:43] every once in a while linux hands us our own butts [02:43] so... [02:43] i try to install the dri snapshots but when It do i gives me an error saying i need the latest modules installed [02:43] what... [02:44] nullboy: cheers mate [02:44] roccity_: see ya [02:44] i recompiled my kernel but it still does the same error [02:45] bryson: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Setup click the link to which ever driver you are using. NVIDIA doesn't use DRI btw. [02:45] thx i will check that out [02:45] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:45] bryson: what version of slackware and kernel? [02:46] 12.2 and kernel 2.6.27.7 [02:46] bryson: which kernel are you using? smp or non-smp? [02:47] can you show us uname -a ? [02:47] smp i belive [02:47] ya it is [02:48] Linux bird 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [02:48] hmm [02:48] < Cotowar_> idk though. i tried changing the image to gentoo, and it seems to work fine. gentoo is slackware based right? hahaha [02:49] :) [02:49] lol [02:50] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [02:50] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.154.182) joined ##slackware. [02:50] Okay, in route -n [02:50] if I'm missing Destination 0.0.0.0, What's the problem? [02:50] taquito (i=1000@75.22.56.2) joined ##slackware. [02:51] your gateway [02:51] roccity_ (n=roccity@ip-118-90-120-233.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left ##slackware. [02:52] how do I point it to the gateway? [02:52] by network managment GUI :) [02:52] route add default gw gateway_ip_here interface_here [02:53] agris told you that earlier. [02:53] I might have been disconnected when he said it [02:53] Sorry about that [02:53] my network connectivity is sketchy atm by switching back and forth from my laptop to desktop [02:53] true, sorry. [02:53] bryson: are you sure dri ment kernel modules, not X's? [02:54] And, can I assum ethe gateway ip is 192.168.0.1? [02:54] I dont know how to check the IP of the device [02:54] redtricycle: usually a safe guess is the first or last ip in the subnet [02:54] *usually* [02:54] Okay, I will be right back [02:54] Disconnecting! [02:55] Using Linux and he doesn't even know what his gateway is. [02:56] probably, if it is the same line, then try to ifconfig your current config [02:56] :) [02:59] agris: i'm not sure in the dri log it says: /home/bryson/Desktop/Snapshots/radeon-20060316-linux.i386/drm/linux-core/drmP.h:44:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory [03:00] bryson, do you have the kernel headers installed? [03:00] yeah thats another thing ive been trying out, idk how lol [03:01] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.154.182) left ##slackware. [03:03] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:05] where would i go about finding out how to install the kernel headers? [03:05] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.154.182) joined ##slackware. [03:06] you need the stock kernel headers package installed. never change those [03:06] the only time you change the system headers is when you rebuild glibc against new kernel sources [03:07] So, when I did the route add default thing [03:07] it gave me a "SIOCADDRT: No such device" error [03:07] Should I be able to ping the gateway when it's connected? [03:07] yes [03:07] bryson: http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.2&t=1&q=kernel-headers [03:08] lee555J5 (n=lee@68.113.105.106) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:08] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/slackware/d/kernel-headers-2.6.27.7_smp-x86-1.tgz [03:08] redtricycle, yes...and route should have little effect on that [03:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [03:09] (unless you have route configured to send all traffic away from the nic with access to the router, but that won't happen unless you do something) [03:09] Is there a way to find the gateway IP? [03:09] thx chopp and nullboy [03:09] ls /var/log/packages/ | grep kernel-headers [03:09] it's faster :) [03:09] And, how is it related to the BroadcastAddr? [03:11] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [03:12] redtricycle, the protocol to find it id DHCP, and that does the broadcast addr as well ;) [03:13] nod, I'm just confused what my laptop is doing differently than my desktop [03:13] redtricycle, so if you have dhcp on your network, `dhcpcd eth0` will configure the interface [03:14] `ifconfig`, does that show the interface with an IP? [03:14] yes [03:14] and do you have a computer on the same network that you can access? [03:14] I dont [03:14] I can give the output of dhcpcd rndis0 [03:15] I'll type it out into a pastebin [03:15] ok [03:15] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-110-129.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: "-_-" [03:15] redtricycle, sometimes you may need to do `ifconfig rndis0 up` before running dhcpcd [03:15] taquito (i=1000@75.22.56.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:16] nod, i tried that too [03:16] does it give a message? [03:16] no [03:16] http://pastebin.ca/1358832 [03:17] but i have had problems with dhcpcd not working on some devices because if it fails the interface goes down [03:17] and it can't send data with the interface down [03:18] redtricycle, looks like that worked... [03:18] you can't ping 192.168.0.1? [03:18] Really? [03:18] I can't [03:18] What would be the problem? [03:18] And, to confirm, /etc/resolv.conf has 192.168.0.1 [03:19] Okay, let me brb to confirm the ifconfig rndis0 up thing [03:19] I'm going to disconnect for a little bit [03:19] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.154.182) left irc: "Leaving." [03:19] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:20] can your pastebin the output of route -n [03:20] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:20] rworkman, and what type of interface is rndis0? is that wifi or something? because it may have something to do with it [03:20] err... running away [03:21] nathanbw, its your problem people are having bad internets [03:21] s/problem/fault/ [03:21] autocomplete ftl [03:21] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.23.108) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Okay, same problem [03:22] it's dialup? :) [03:22] cat /etc/resolv.conf shows [03:22] nameserver 192.168.0.1 [03:22] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-128af5ec466656f1) joined ##slackware. [03:22] and, I can't ping 192.168.0.1 [03:22] redtricycle, ignore the resolv.conf [03:22] okay [03:22] redtricycle, if you are dealing with IPs only its never read [03:22] can your pastebin the output of route -n [03:22] and what type of interface is rndis0? is that wifi or something? because it may have something to do with it [03:23] rndis0 is a tethered internet connection [03:23] from my phone [03:23] PPPoE? [03:23] redtricycle: write down your workstation's eth config and rewrite it on notebook [03:23] doesn't it need wvdial? [03:24] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:24] edman007: I use odccm [03:24] synce software [03:24] to detect it [03:25] it works wonderfully on my laptop [03:25] which I'm using right now [03:25] alright...if you say so :P [03:25] if you get a dhcp response i believe you ;) [03:25] http://pastebin.ca/1358835 my route -n [03:25] anyways, let me see the output of route -n [03:26] bittin (i=bittin@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-33b65c5519ab0593) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:27] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-139-77.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [03:27] redtricycle, route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 192.168.0.255 dev rndis0; route add default gw 192.168.0.1 [03:27] try that [03:27] you don't have any route or gateway configured [03:27] and make sure `ifconfig rndis0` shows some IP in 192.168.0.0/24 range [03:28] Okay, ill be back [03:28] assuming the dhcp response you showed was correct [03:28] disconnecting [03:28] 192.168.0.0/24 is weird for internet... [03:28] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.23.108) left irc: "Leaving." [03:29] ISP provides its local network for clients :) [03:30] giuppy (n=giuppy@host66-39-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:30] yea, some do...but the 192.168.0.0/24 is very small (even 192.168.0.0/16 is pretty small) [03:30] if that was the case i would expect 10.0.0.0 or something.. 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[03:33] though, I dont know why [03:33] because the command you gave me didnt work [03:33] it said "bogus netmask" [03:33] but I ran dhcpcd again, and it connects [03:33] but...Im afraid I wont be able to do it again it something tricky happens [03:33] *pray* [03:33] I think my problem was this: [03:34] dhcpcd registered 192.168.0.102 [03:34] dhcpcd is suppose to add those route commands [03:34] Though, my ip showed 169.smethng.seomthing [03:34] Okay, I hope it works tomorrow after I get off work [03:34] redtricycle, 169 is the "i don't have an IP" network [03:34] My computer tricked me because they're all an hour behind -_- [03:34] if you see that it usually means its broken [03:34] edman007: ohh... [03:35] it's good having internet again! [03:35] now...hopefully my gf wont be as angry, because I wanted to fix my computer instead of talk to her [03:35] -_- [03:36] haha [03:36] thanks edman007! [03:36] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-159-73.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:36] :) [03:36] boo! [03:36] now I can't sleepy, I'm all excited [03:36] bryson (n=bryson@96.240.45.172) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [03:36] 'kin hell. Ok, foomatic-filters-4.0.0 in -current is broken. Use 3.0 from 12.2, or upgrade to the latest from source: http://www.openprinting.org/download/foomatic/foomatic-filters-4.0-20090312.tar.gz [03:36] Okay, typos...maybe I can sleep [03:36] o_o [03:36] you're crazy [03:36] at least on my Brother HL-2040 printer [03:37] and on other printers, judging from the cross-distro bugtrack chatter. [03:37] BRB in a little while :) [03:37] tecky (n=tecky@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [03:39] I like my Brother HL-2070N [03:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit. [03:40] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) got netsplit. [03:40] hba (n=hba@189.188.150.236) got netsplit. [03:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. 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[04:00] bah, 4am and i didn't even start looking at my homeworks :/ [04:00] you're done for [04:00] Action: edman007 gives his assignment to nullboy [04:00] i'll freaking ace it [04:00] then i'll ace the quiz [04:01] then i'll ace the midterm and finals [04:01] nullboy, actually i think its pretty easy...calculate the output of a low pass filter with a square wave input..exactly [04:01] Action: edman007 gets to work [04:01] I've been unable to voice on Skype, is it a common problem or is it just me? sound output is ok but I cannot speak! [04:02] skype sucks [04:02] Action: edman007 ducks [04:02] edman007, o well, but i need it sometimes [04:02] ...actually, any communication method that does not allow for large buffers suck [04:03] thats why i hate skype and phones [04:03] irc and IM let me leave while you talk [04:03] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [04:03] IntangibleLiquid, and maybe you have stuff muted...check alsamixer [04:04] or maybe something is using your sound card and it can't connect [04:04] ***and now everybody we can watch as edman007 defines the condition we refer to as 'narcissistic' [04:05] ... [04:05] i just can't multi tack when on phones/skype since the computer can't buffer their input [04:05] lol [04:05] s/tack/task/ [04:05] i hate phones too [04:05] :) [04:05] they just force you to make poor decisions sometimes [04:06] hexoroid (n=hex@173-29-231-198.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:06] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:06] yea, because people want immediate responses, and its difficult to copy/paste from the web to an audio channel [04:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:06] dudes! it's not time for philosophy lolz [04:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:07] IntangibleLiquid, well we ran out of material [04:07] care you add your opinion? [04:07] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:07] edman007, no thanks :) [04:07] fine, i'll try homework [04:08] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [04:09] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:09] perhaps I should test audio input with a recording app, what's the stock one? [04:09] i wonder how many brain cells i lose smoking weed from dusk till dawn... [04:10] IntangibleLiquid, cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp [04:10] i think that works... [04:10] lol [04:11] i don't have a mic over here... [04:11] antler: none [04:11] antler, you can't lose what you don't have [04:11] edman007: har har har [04:11] :P [04:11] lol [04:11] edman007, there's some noise running in my ears [04:12] IntangibleLiquid: that means you're thinking [04:12] IntangibleLiquid, good, does it seem related to the input? [04:12] edman007, it's not. it's like a wrecked audio wave when the player breaks [04:12] kinda [04:13] IntangibleLiquid, yea, don't expect the stuff to sound right, but if you tap the mic you should get some type of pulse in the speakers [04:13] if that works then your audio stuff is working [04:14] actually, arecord is the right way to test it [04:16] hmm, can't find it in SBO or with slackpkg [04:16] its part of alsalib or whatever [04:16] should be included in slack [04:17] edman007, got it, but the last cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp caused the resource to be busy, anyway to kill that process? [04:17] hmm firefox update... [04:17] yes [04:18] antler, update? [04:18] Action: edman007 hates recompiling FF [04:18] edman007: i think so, i'm running rsync right now... ff3.07 [04:18] does that mean i have to patch and recompile FF again? what if i don't want to? then what?!?! [04:19] hmm, I only use the packaged FF in /patch [04:19] yea, well the FF people are stupid and won't fix a bug that i need, so i made a hack patch to get it done [04:20] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:20] weird though, recently it hasnt displayed anything of my google docs presentation, it's a total blank screen :( 3.1b3 works ok [04:21] nullboy: hmm, appears like I need "-m physdev --physdev-is-bridged" in my firewall rules. [04:23] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:23] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) joined ##slackware. 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It's only been two day. :P [05:03] /s/day/days [05:06] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [05:09] I start talking to myself after 24hrs or so... [05:10] higuitas (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:12] ubuntu__ (n=ubuntu@189-47-241-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:14] hing (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [05:14] ubuntu__ (n=ubuntu@189-47-241-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:21] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [05:21] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:22] Makaveli4life_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [05:22] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:23] blogbasti (n=blogbast@calypso.planet-ic.de) joined ##slackware. [05:24] blogbasti (n=blogbast@calypso.planet-ic.de) left ##slackware. 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[05:46] hi alienBOB [05:46] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: "Leaving" [05:46] Action: The-Croupier waves at the channel :) how are you guys/girls/women/men? [05:51] WELL! [05:51] Action: stybla has flu *cough* *cough* [05:52] I was waken up brutally by my upstair neighbours so decided to play a porn movie at max volume in return. [05:52] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8989F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:52] stybla, where do you live? [05:53] Zosma: yeah, but (i guess) they're having pr0n live! [05:53] Zosma: you can't beat that by a movie [05:53] No they're just noisy :-) [05:53] No sex involved there. [05:53] ccfreak2k: banana republic [05:53] Zosma: ah :) [05:54] stybla, which one? [05:56] ccfreak2k: haha. isn't there the only one? well, heart of europe - czech rep. [05:56] "It is most commonly used for countries in Central America such as El Salvador, Belize, Grenada, Nicaragua, Honduras, and Guatemala, as well as countries in Eastern Europe." [05:56] :) [05:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@avx72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:58] dusty (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Nick change: ryht|afk -> ryht|mulih [05:59] Zosma: does that mean that first thing you did in the morning was watch pron? [06:02] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [06:03] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:04] how can i convert/mount .mds/.mdf ? [06:05] i'd google, but my connection is crappy atm :s [06:08] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [06:09] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [06:11] and we are back on-line -> got it. [06:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [06:15] root__ (n=nukedclx@afgl106.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:15] root__ (n=nukedclx@azr252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:18] http://www.h-online.com/open/Possible-data-loss-in-Ext4--/news/112821 [06:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:18] btw there is utility called mdf2iso, if somebody is wondering how [06:19] slackytude: :\ [06:19] kind of - bad news. [06:19] Action: slackytude nods [06:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:19] i was looking forward for ext4 [06:19] also, butterFS (?) [06:20] they say a fix will be ready for 2.6.30 [06:20] Btrfs? [06:22] yes [06:22] i've read it and i don't think it's critical for servers. [06:22] or, i don't feel. [06:23] depends on application [06:23] Action: slackytude shrugs [06:23] not as bad as it could be but still not good [06:26] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE70EE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@avx72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:26] too bad they didn't say what kind of crash was that. [06:26] still - even if it was kernel panic, that hardly happens on servers. [06:26] at least ours. [06:26] Hey guys, I bought a new motherboard as the one I orginally got was DOA. I got the gforce 7050M/M when I bootup, it has no POST screen it just goes into grub straight away. I have gone through the BIOS options which I can get to by hitting the [del] key repeatedly, quick post thing is not enabled, and everything else in there that provides fast boot and no text is turned off. Yet when I bootup I get no post screen, then it loads grub and boots my Oper [06:27] I meant lilo not grub ;-] [06:27] I know its not slackware related but I guess you guys are good with hardware. [06:30] and what is the problem? [06:30] it's linux, you're not supposed to boot anyway [06:33] dusty: bios update? [06:34] I'm with Kaapa. Where IS the problem? [06:36] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:37] root__ (n=nukedclx@azr252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:37] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@azr252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:38] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [06:38] erbi_ (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [06:39] that's the least coherent question, if there is an actual question in there, that i've seen all day [06:42] erbi_ (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Client Quit [06:44] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:45] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:45] what's the default mysql conf file, anyone knows? [06:46] /etc/my.cnf [06:47] giuppy (n=giuppy@host66-39-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:48] tkx [06:49] obnauticus_ (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:50] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:51] stybla, the article describes it [06:52] stybla, kde4 crashed due to truncated config files [06:52] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [06:53] stybla, and they get truncated cos the ext4 handles read/write differently than ext3, while kde was expecting ext3s behaviour [06:54] obnauticus_ (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:54] if i wanna setup a vpn for use when i'm out and about, with most compatibility, what should i go with [06:55] slackytude: aha. i had to skip that part, or i just didn't get it :s [06:55] ^-^ [06:55] spook_: openvpn ? [06:55] spook_, openvpn is quite good [06:55] spook_: runs on Linux and Windows just fine. [06:55] spook_, what exactly does it need to be compatible with? [06:55] yeah but stuff like iphones/ipod touches dont do openvpn yet. [06:55] among other things. [06:56] not my area [06:56] never had one of those [06:56] they do pptp and two other things. [06:56] neither is mine. [06:56] yuck [06:56] Action: stybla still has n6310i [06:57] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [06:58] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@58.186.41.141) joined ##slackware. [07:00] m0nik3r5 (n=sluttySu@c-67-183-212-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Action: frullet still rocks the nokia 3315 [07:00] m0nik3r5 (n=sluttySu@c-67-183-212-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:01] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [07:02] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1288 << does that load for anyone"? [07:04] load, as in what, the web page? [07:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ba802bd5358b8f65) joined ##slackware. [07:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ba802bd5358b8f65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:04] my dns appears to have fallen over :( [07:04] spook_: yes the web page loads here [07:05] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ecfedeb937ac6345) joined ##slackware. [07:05] where does bind log to... [07:05] spook_: it's sssllllooowww, but it works. [07:07] hmmm, restarted bind, all working again. [07:07] cant see anything in my logs [07:07] i'd say something, but ... i'm in no mood for flame :p [07:07] oh, i can - i do agree with you, spook_ [07:08] iphone/ipod touch does l2tp/ipsec, pptp, cisco ipsec VPN [07:10] so, looks like pptp is probally the best way to go. [07:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-112-133.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:11] G'Mornin'(or aft'noon or perhaps evenin'),folks [07:11] 6310i is currently what's hooked up to nagios sending me alerts :) [07:11] Anyone got any ideas about my hardware issue? [07:11] Zordrak: :p [07:11] dusty: update your bios. [07:12] dusty: give us more info [07:12] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:17] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@58.186.41.141) left irc: "Leaving" [07:22] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@189.81.24.141) joined ##slackware. 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[07:31] nille__ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:31] stybla: I am going to update my bios as soon as I get back tonight, but I can't see that being the issue, it should still show memory checks and cpu type on boot.. the normal POST screen.. [07:32] dusty: after i saw many things that *should* work in bios ... [07:32] you need to speak to the board manufacturer or rtfm for the board [07:32] dusty: have you turned off all logos in bios? [07:33] dont bios flash asus boards [07:33] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.9) joined ##slackware. [07:33] <_RadioHead> hello ppl [07:34] stybla: i have tried with them enabled and disabled no difference [07:34] Zordrak: Do you not think I have consulted the manual before asking here? I will speak to the manufacturer as a last resort. [07:34] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [07:34] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:35] stybla: There was one option in the bios that lets me see the last part of the POST process (the 2nd screen). [07:35] dusty: you have to understand the difficulty in answering "My random motherboard that probably none of you have ever used doesnt do what i expect.. why?" [07:35] by the time anything comes on the screen POST is already over. [07:36] It's like asking "Why does my DG834 router drop packets" in #solaris [07:37] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Client Quit [07:37] Zordrak: but how does a polar bear know what applez is? [07:37] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: [07:38] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:38] Zordrak: Now your being silly. [07:38] dusty: take it easy :) [07:38] not in the slightest.. the analogy is perfectly apt [07:39] Action: dusty sighs [07:40] dusty: try to reset bios to defaults. if it doesn't help, contact manufacturer, or try your luck with updating bios. [07:40] slackware users tend to know a fair bit about hardware - I am not a hardware person, so wouldn't know if this is specific to the board or to the hardware in general. [07:40] stybla: Ok thanks. [07:40] dusty: i heard you're a mechanic, would you like to service my car? [07:41] spook_: :D [07:41] <_RadioHead> stybla: mine also i have problem with ABS :) [07:41] lol [07:41] _RadioHead: ghe? :D [07:41] spook_: thats completly different, im not asking for anyone here to fix my problem. [07:41] dusty: that is using the same logic. [07:42] I am asking for advice, ideas, opinions. [07:42] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] If you don't wish to give them, shutup and don't answer. [07:42] simple? [07:42] Instead of being a dick about it. [07:42] dusty: so should i take a look at the fuel injection or the head gasket? [07:42] <_RadioHead> dusty: i just entered chat do no what is a problem , but since you are mechanic :) fix my abs lol [07:42] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:42] It's kinda sad to see grown up people acting like such children on a medium so unimportant as IRC. [07:42] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.229.251.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] I guess its how geeks gets kicks! [07:42] <_RadioHead> dusty: ? what motherboard and what problem? [07:42] _RadioHead: i'm not a automechanic, but you can try your luck with me. i like to poke in *unknown* :p [07:43] lol [07:43] s/a/an/ [07:44] <_RadioHead> stybla: :) well any help is wellcomed [07:44] _RadioHead: he is being very vague. and is complaining that no one is helping him. [07:44] dusty: Understand that this is a slackware channel.. if you don't like the responses, either ignore them or leave. Being abusive will not solve anything [07:45] <_RadioHead> spook_: aha , well first nbodoy can push nobody to help :) and second depend IF ppl can help each other. that is not always uptopersons who LIKE to help [07:45] <_RadioHead> dusty: try #hardware [07:45] <_RadioHead> or google [07:46] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204467.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still, the whol [07:47] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8989F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [07:47] _RadioHead: bring it overhere and i'll give it a look :p [07:47] <_RadioHead> stybla: just one thing to be clear , dont ask me for money :) [07:47] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8822A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Zordrak: that goes for both ways imho. [07:48] _RadioHead: i'll be glad to do it in my free time [07:48] *freetime [07:48] <_RadioHead> stybla: thx :) [07:49] free time was correct *sigh* [07:49] <_RadioHead> i must admit kde 4.2.1 roloz :) [07:50] roloz = rulz? [07:50] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: yes [07:50] rulz = rules? [07:50] alienBOB: no [07:50] rulz = interplanetary politicans [07:51] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: hello nice 2 see you :) [07:51] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:51] :) [07:51] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:51] I can not read kiddie talk so I had to check [07:51] <_RadioHead> :) [07:58] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:59] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@203.193.152.226) left irc: "leaving" [08:00] dusty (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:00] dusty (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:00] dusty (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:03] got a problem. i installed a minimal system for embedded use (running flash player movies). flash player 9 worked fine. today i upgraded the machine to flash 10 and when i launch it it throws "3449 Segmentation Fault" at me. what am i missing? [08:03] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.137.50) joined ##slackware. [08:03] nille__ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:04] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:04] hi [08:04] moonhead (n=trip@ip72-200-201-93.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:05] Slava_dp: what are you using to play back the flash files? [08:05] flashplayer-standalone v. 10.0.22.87 [08:05] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left irc: "Leaving" [08:09] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] blogbasti (n=blogbast@calypso.planet-ic.de) joined ##slackware. [08:09] blogbasti (n=blogbast@calypso.planet-ic.de) left ##slackware. [08:14] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-128-236.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:15] hba (n=hba@189.188.150.236) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-83.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-209.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:31] blogbasti (n=blogbast@calypso.planet-ic.de) joined ##slackware. [08:31] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:31] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) joined ##slackware. [08:31] blogbasti (n=blogbast@calypso.planet-ic.de) left ##slackware. [08:32] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:33] i get "Locate not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale"". What does that mean? [08:34] and the program crashes after the message. [08:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:35] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:35] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) joined ##slackware. [08:35] i could use some help on the topic, i'm completely out of ideas atm. [08:39] slava_dp, do you have the glibc-i18n package installed? [08:40] wolven, no, but i did not change the system locale. it is en_US. [08:40] wolven, or, is the i18n package required? [08:41] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn37.91-127-57.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [08:41] I get you, but I've gotten this error too, while missing that package. It also includes some en_US locale files if I'm not mistaking [08:41] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.229.251.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: "I'm Gone" [08:42] Not 100% sure if it what that package or glibc I was missing when I saw this error [08:42] bad news, since i'm very space-constrained. and glibc-i18n weighs 90 MB installed :( [08:42] You can strip it of all the other locales [08:43] little do you know, they are mostly already installed [08:44] i only have glibc-solibs-2.7-i486-17 and glibc-zoneinfo-2.7-noarch-17 installed now. [08:44] should i try glibc-i18n? [08:45] etigo (n=etigo@212.202.24.21) joined ##slackware. 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[08:50] ok, no change, i have set it to en_US.utf8 and still get "Locale not supported." [08:51] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-112-133.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [08:52] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:55] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:56] what environment variables control locale? [08:56] % locale; [08:57] i only get $LANG set [08:57] ok, wait [08:57] /usr/bin/locale is provided in glibc-2.7-i486-17, i don't have that as it's a development package (?) [08:57] http://pastebin.com/d6e5bc7f9 [08:57] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) joined ##slackware. [08:58] what don't you have? [08:58] glibc is not a development pkg [08:58] glibc: You'll need this package to compile programs. [08:59] lol yeah [08:59] as far as i understand all i need is glibc-solibs [08:59] ... [08:59] just install /c/ [08:59] or is it /d/ ? [09:00] Action: stybla shrugs [09:00] spook_, i'm heavily space-constrained. can't do that, the drive is 800 MB. [09:00] 800mb wtf [09:01] no usb ports? [09:01] glibc weighs 112 MB uncompressed. i don't have that space. [09:01] spook_, no, it's a 1 gb ssd i'm afraid. [09:02] try using uclibc? [09:02] use the right tool for the job. [09:04] or distro. damn, i just recalled i've said i won't use voyage anymore. [09:04] :( [09:04] "Porting applications from glibc to uClibc typically involves just recompiling the source code". haha. recompile flash player. nice try. [09:04] tough titty [09:04] lol [09:05] slava_dp: just ask Adobe for source, or port :) [09:05] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "[BX] If idiots could fly, IRC would be an airport" [09:05] stybla, i did :) [09:05] :D [09:05] slava_dp: and the answer was - no? [09:06] or better one - no aswer at all. [09:06] glibc-solibs is enough slava_dp [09:06] brightwebworks (n=brightwe@216.189.209.126) joined ##slackware. [09:06] stybla, no answer. it's all over their site -- we do not disclose our sources. [09:06] But you will not be able to compile programs then [09:07] alienBOB, that's what i thought. why the locale problem then? [09:07] alienBOB, i just need to be able to run programs [09:07] how about strace it? [09:07] because lolale problem didn't give me segfault [09:08] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [09:08] stybla, yeah, the segfault is what worries me. will try strace now... [09:08] as it says "falling back to 'C' locale" [09:08] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:09] well maybe adobe flash is dumb enough to not check if it has all the symbols it needs. [09:09] slava_dp: "Locate not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale" is no serious error. It should not be the cause of crashes [09:09] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.146) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Try starting flash from the commandline with LANG=C typed right in front of it [09:10] same thing, it segfaults. alienBOB, thanks for the info. then i'll be trying something else then. [09:11] (maybe it'll be easier to just reinstall) [09:11] slava_dp: but have you inspected strace ? [09:12] stybla, not installed :( i don't have anything of d/ [09:12] ldd says all the libs are there [09:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] slava_dp: ok. [09:13] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [09:15] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Laundry (n=Laundry@c-68-60-117-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Success [09:19] is this normal: "ldd /usr/bin/flashplayer" --> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb79d0000) libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb794e000) [09:19] i.e. two identical libs [09:22] for pre-compiled, crappy binaries? who knows :) [09:22] http://pastebin.com/m758efa2b --> complete ldd output [09:24] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.137.50) left irc: "Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC." [09:31] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Greetings from the North Coast of BC, Canada:) It is a cold, wet morning here. [09:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-144-192.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [09:33] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn37.91-127-57.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:33] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn84.78-99-193.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [09:33] anyone knows how to get seamonkey to work with windows live hotmail? [09:35] faffi_ (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:35] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [09:36] installing glibc-i18n got me rid of the locale message. but the segfault persists. [09:38] hey u all... hw can i get the journaling percent reserved to my ext3 fs? [09:39] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.cwru.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:40] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [09:40] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] lucasagomes, tune2fs [09:41] thank u going to check out [09:42] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn84.78-99-193.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:42] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn225.91-127-87.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [09:43] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:44] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. 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[10:37] just thought i'd throw that in there [10:37] tank-man: it is easy [10:37] Spiko (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Odhajam" [10:38] i'd assume it is easy for technically inclined person [10:38] bbs :) [10:38] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:38] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@wlan.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [10:38] actually, irc networks are quite robust against botnets these days [10:39] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: "Changing server" [10:39] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [10:39] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [10:40] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-128-236.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:06] dmesg says a lot about raid stuff, yet there's no raid controller in that machine [11:07] look at /proc/partitions [11:08] ALVAN (n=uyjkgh@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [11:08] its empty, too [11:08] perhaps describe your setup a little more? just a standard harddrive / controller, or? [11:09] yep, two 80gb ide-drives, nforce chipset, 1gb of ram if I'm not mistaken.. nothing really special in that machine [11:09] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-163-156.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [11:09] got gentoo running like a charm [11:09] are you using slackware 12.2? [11:09] yep, just downloaded it this morning [11:10] strange, since the slackware installation kernel has support for almost everything the kernel suports, and uses a very recent kernel [11:11] you've tried fdisk -l /dev/hdX (whatever your X is) ? [11:11] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-144-192.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] yup. only works on /dev/hdc, the first cdrom-drive [11:12] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Success [11:12] trying it on any other /dev/hdX tells me "unable to open /dev/hdX" [11:13] are there partitions on there already? [11:13] there's also no sign of the partition which should be found on /dev/hda, after all there's gentoo on that disc [11:13] maybe it shows up as /dev/sdX [11:13] yep, at least on /dev/hda, /dev/hdb might be partitioned already but I wanted to clean it anyway [11:14] no /dev/sdX at all, that's what I looked for first [11:14] Hugin84, just do fdisk -l it will show you all the hard drives if there are or if they are detected [11:14] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] thanks, but this has been suggested already and I even did it before joining the channel - it shows no drives at all [11:15] do you have an IDE hard drive or an SATA one [11:15] two ide drives [11:15] lspci -vv |grep ATA [11:15] shows ok [11:15] ? [11:16] its empty, too [11:16] lspci -vv | grep RAID .. or lspci -vv |grep SCSI [11:16] do you know which kernel you used to install gentoo (that successfully detected the chipset) > [11:16] I'll shut the machine down and have a look if I accidently unplugged a drive.. unlikely yet possible [11:17] it should see the motherboard IDE chip [11:17] 12.2 ships 2.6.27.x, so unless your chipset only got supported in the last month or so (pretty unlikely) [11:17] erm... it was gentoo2008.0, if I'm not mistaken, right now I'm running 2.6.25-rX and 2.6.28, both are working fine [11:17] Hugin84: well, can you reboot into gentoo successfully ? [11:17] even if you unplugged on drive [11:18] I'll just try rebooting to gentoo [11:18] yeah, 2008.0's kernel is much older than 12.2's, so I'm guessing possibly a loose connection [11:19] p431i7o (n=NObodyHa@adsl-131-109.click.com.py) joined ##slackware. [11:19] damn, looks like I messed smthn up... [11:19] :> [11:21] p431i7o (n=NObodyHa@adsl-131-109.click.com.py) left irc: Client Quit [11:24] looks like it was a power problem.. or is... I can now find /dev/hda1 through 4 but /dev/hdb still cannot be opened by fdisk [11:27] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-163-156.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [11:28] xXCiDaOXx (n=xxcidaox@189.27.64.114.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [11:29] w1ll (n=w1ll@wsip-24-234-172-29.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-207-20.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. 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[12:02] no slackware for this machine in the near future :-/ tested 3 hard drives, all of them seem to be broken [12:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [12:03] tested on the same cable? [12:04] tested them on both... the second cable works fine for two cdroms so I really guess the drives are broken [12:06] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-765b27526092f1ba) left irc: [12:06] renew_02 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] bittin` (n=bittin@62.212.66.69) left irc: Client Quit [12:07] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:08] Nick change: renew_02 -> renew [12:09] ah well, wanted to do a fresh installation on my laptop anytime soon... guess I'll try slackware on my laptop then [12:10] tamara` (i=817db666@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-891a6aa1dbaa570d) joined ##slackware. [12:10] is ion3 supported by slackware? on gentoo its quite a pain to get it working [12:11] not installed by default, but it can be afterwards: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/ion/ [12:15] oh damn, this is too good to be true! on gentoo I had to use an overlay which only gave me quite an old version and after an update it cannot be emerged at all because some files are missing... just when I started to really like it [12:16] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8822A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:16] slackbuilds.org is a good resource for post-installation packages. they let you build slackware packages from source and install [12:16] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) left irc: "Leaving" [12:16] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:16] y2k (i=y2k@94.Red-83-57-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] is there a command line spell checker with native language support in slackware? [12:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:21] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:24] aspell ? [12:26] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:28] yes [12:29] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-139-158.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:29] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-207-20.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [12:30] Did you go to the aspell website to download your native language?? Will aspell work for you? [12:31] y2k (i=y2k@94.Red-83-57-53.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: [12:32] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:35] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.149.132) joined ##slackware. [12:36] hi all [12:36] hello [12:36] whats up [12:36] nothing much. How about you? [12:37] feels like i hav lost something [12:38] whats new in slackware? [12:38] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:38] tons [12:39] say one [12:39] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Hermaniette (i=1000@dhcp2-guest011111.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:39] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [12:39] there's about 200 [12:39] kernel, gcc, kde4.*, etc [12:40] slackware focuzes everything about a command line? [12:40] no [12:41] there aren't graphical tools that hold your hand, if that's what you mean [12:41] command line is the only thing that can be used successfully [12:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:42] Every others crashing now or tmrw [12:42] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [12:43] but doing everything through shell feels like still in ancient times [12:44] there is hardly command-line tweaking involved for a desktop, on any distro [12:44] u/win 26 [12:45] ThoriuM (n=mileandr@86.121.195.164) joined ##slackware. [12:45] hello [12:45] I don't feel like I'm in ancient times when I use the shell. [12:45] does anyone knows a virtual fax/modem device driver ? [12:45] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@222.105.16.242) joined ##slackware. [12:49] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [12:51] ThoriuM: What are you trying to accomplish? [12:52] I'm trying to make a hylafax client [12:52] mirash: doing everything in the shell allows you to have full control, and does precisely what you ask it to do. [12:52] but I can't install the hylafax server on my machine because I don't have a fax/modem [12:52] ThoriuM: I thought hylafax must be involved somehow. :^) [12:52] so I need a virtual driver to simulate it's existance [12:52] Action: TwinReverb thought the idea behind computers was better, more perfect products with less work [12:52] :) [12:53] Alan, do you know one ? or a way to trick this ? [12:53] i don't know about the rest of you but i am absolutely loving wicd. i'm only going back to iwconfig/ifconfig/dhcpcd when/if i need to [12:54] ThoriuM: Unfortunately I don't. You may need to ask hylafax-users. I'm sure there's some way to convince hylafax that you actually do have a modem installed though. [12:54] ok [12:54] thanks [12:54] faxsetup or something like that. [12:54] And then just enter bogus manual settings. [12:55] I could also just tar up /var/spool/hylafax on my box and send it to you if you prefer. [12:55] That's got a (sort of) working modem config. Probably easier to just give you that single config file though. [12:55] isn't there a dummy modem module? [12:55] TwinReverb: Not that I can find. [12:56] TwinReverb: I think I'll have to google wicd, I haven't been paying attention. I guess it's an auto-eth/wifi config tool? [12:56] eviljames: Yes, GUI tool. [12:56] Alan_Hicks, do you use the hylafax server ? [12:56] eviljames: builds.slamd64.com plz [12:56] I'd love to tell you that fred put it in 12.2, but he didn't. [12:57] I absolutely still prefer ifconfig wpa_supplicant dhcpcd instead of wicd :D [12:57] ThoriuM: Yes, but it's an ancient deployment and only half works. [12:57] thrice`: for wicd? [12:57] thrice`: Or for my other various scripts? [12:57] what client are you using with it ? [12:57] wicd :) [12:57] thrice`: Because the other ones were today's project actually. [12:57] thrice`: Ok, I'll make that my first actual contrib :D [12:57] eviljames: no, it's already one there :) [12:57] oh [12:58] hah [12:58] ThoriuM: Windows workstations, so I'm using WinprintHylafax. [12:58] thrice`: Well, that makes it a little too easy. I'm not interested anymore. ;) [12:58] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.193.66) joined ##slackware. [13:00] how do I make a program run during startup or boot up of slackware..what is the best start script i should but it to? [13:00] rc.local [13:01] Now RTFM. http://www.slackbook.org/ [13:04] this is a java program, requireing X [13:04] mirash1 (n=mirash@117.196.147.120) joined ##slackware. [13:04] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.94) joined ##slackware. [13:05] .xinitrc is the best place [13:06] which wm / de do you use? [13:06] fluxbox [13:07] I think fluxbox uses ~/.fluxbox/startup [13:07] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.111.2) joined ##slackware. [13:08] eviljames, well basically a GUI tool, a front-end to iwconfig/ifconfig/dhcpcd [13:08] TwinReverb: As long as it's not NetworkManager-aware :D [13:08] just because you have more control in the shell does not mean it's necessarily better [13:08] and maybe call "session.screen0.rootCommand: sh /home/$USER/.fluxbox/autostart" in .fluxbox/init [13:08] 99% of the time, all i want to do is connect to the internet, and wicd does this very well [13:08] TwinReverb: 'better' is subjective, of course. I spend more time on my systems via ssh than actually sitting at them. CLI is 'better' for my purposes, I think. [13:09] i'm impressed with wicd more than any other networking interface i've tried thus far, from DOS 5 to Windows Vista and from Red Hat 9 to Mandriva 2009.0 [13:10] rc.inet1.conf is pretty easy [13:10] complex, but easy [13:10] er, from corel linux in 2000 to mandriva 2009.0 [13:10] TwinReverb: Sweet, I'll run it through my own QA process (aka making the gf use it) to see just how 'easy' it is. :D [13:10] but its disadvantage is if you make dhcp=yes at boot for, say, eth0, and you're somewhere roaming on wireless, you wait 10 seconds or more at boot for dhcpcd to figure out you aren't plugged in [13:11] mirash1 (n=mirash@117.196.147.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:11] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "School would be great if it weren't for all the classes" [13:11] sigh [13:11] which, like i said before, 99% of the time i only want to connect, and on this laptop, going right into X, logging in, clicking wicd and clicking the network i want is pathetically easy [13:11] wicd can manage the wired. [13:11] although you have got to realize that everything ELSE on my machine is scripted via shell scripts [13:12] spideryummy (n=guest@120.28.193.66) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:12] spook_, yes. i wasn't trying to say it couldn't. [13:12] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.129.38) joined ##slackware. [13:12] wicd also doesnt respect /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [13:12] cuba (n=cubicka@193.1.184.254) joined ##slackware. [13:12] i'd prefer that it didn't [13:13] but i guess you're saying that because you wish it did [13:13] no more the, wicd will actually still dhcp for wired connections [13:13] can be a good or bad thing [13:14] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:14] hi, please what tool should I use for resizing primary/extended partitions ? [13:14] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] cuba: cfdisk [13:14] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B084CAC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:14] cuba, a gparted live cd [13:14] cuba: or gparted [13:14] cuba: depending on your level of experience, I suppose [13:14] cuba: a calculator. [13:14] and fdisk [13:14] well he didn't specify if he wanted to save the information ON those partitions :D [13:15] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B084CAC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] TwinReverb, I want :) [13:15] FYI.. just been playing with PCLinuxOS 2009.1 on a Dell Latitude D630 and I can happily report it is fucking fantastic as a LiveCD [13:16] cuba, then gparted live cd [13:16] the *only* SysV linux I would trust [13:16] I made 4 partitions and left 80GBs of free space, now I can't add any partition [13:16] Slackware is SysV o.O [13:16] straterra: whosajighgawhu? [13:17] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:17] any distro that uses a year for a version, or is called pclinuxos, or is a fork of a fork of a fork, is horrible [13:17] either you're insane or my definition of SysV linux is wrong [13:17] What init do you THINK Slackware uses? [13:17] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:17] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] spook_: If you want to run a LiveCD and have everything work straight off and have everything you need available.. PCLinuxOS is better than Slax and miles better than that brown african crap [13:18] LiveCD? [13:18] straterra: thinking carefully before i respond [13:18] WTF is a live cd, don't people use USB drives these days? [13:18] not everyone has a system capable of bootable USB [13:18] eviljames: whichever [13:18] and is there any way to add a new partition If I already have 3 and 1 extended ? [13:19] not everyone has a USB stick big enough [13:19] Zordrak: but i dont ever want to run a livecd [13:19] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.149.132) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] fdisk says no free sectors available, because 4 primary partitions is a maximum [13:19] yeah need to use extended [13:20] spook_: fine.. I have the need to quite often [13:20] cuba, then you can't. figure out how to fix it [13:20] a gparted Live CD should be able to move partitions around and add the space to something [13:20] Zordrak: i have pxe setup on my eeepc + slackware package tree, so ummmm [13:20] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [13:21] straterra: Please educate me if im wrong.. but I was of the understanding that Slack was BSD-style (using rc.d/rc.foo) wheras RH/Mandr[ake/iva]/SuSE etc were SysV (using init.d/foo) [13:21] agoickeepas (n=root@210.211.129.87) joined ##slackware. [13:21] BSD-style..but its still SysV [13:21] Zordrak, slackware has sysV capabilities [13:21] spook_: Whereas I maintain a large network with a mic=xed bag of OSes on a mixed bag of hardware and no pxe [13:21] TwinReverb, I hope it is safe, cause I have no space for backup [13:21] Zordrak: usb boot works too :) [13:21] TwinReverb: indeed... but is not true Sysv.. right? [13:21] Yes, it is SysV [13:21] spook_: and PCLinuxOS can be USBed [13:22] straterra: elucidate please.. [13:22] usb her? i 'ardly know her! [13:22] I'm not quite sure what to educate on..Slackware is SysV with BSD styled scripts [13:22] oic [13:22] It's not like its using BSD init [13:22] Action: Zordrak knows too little about BSD [13:23] cuba, you should always try to have space for backup [13:23] ah. the init conversation again. havent seen it long time [13:23] cuba, go buy an external hard drive [13:23] seems like Time warner fails big time [13:24] TwinReverb, I had the 80GBs for backup...till I find out 4 partitions is max [13:24] seems? [13:24] Well. regardless of init base.. just wanted to say for review purposes.. if you need a Live environment I personally would recommend PCLinuxOS's latest incarnation.. it is at least VERY good on this laptop [13:24] cuba, well use gparted. i've had good results but there are no guarantees [13:24] TwinReverb: well ok it does I m picking up the digitial channels [13:24] Zordrak: advertising another distro here is only going to make one thing happen [13:24] Action: spook_ fires the orbital ion/frozen eel cannons at Zordrak [13:24] spook_: do me a lemon would you and take it at face value... [13:25] TwinReverb, I will resize /tmp and see what it does [13:25] I need to go buy a long power surge protector though [13:25] Zordrak: Give Slax a try then. Fast and furious. [13:25] Zordrak: i watched someone use 2009.1 and it crapped out constantly [13:25] kitche, they suck in a good way then :) [13:25] TwinReverb: if they come ask me about it I'll just say I hooked my new tv up and got them :) [13:26] Especially try the "Build Slax" thing. Add KDE 4 to it... I didn't think it could be that fast. [13:27] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-128af5ec466656f1) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009012111]" [13:28] Dudu (n=dudu@200.171.57.54) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [13:28] jkwood: Slax was my previous live environment of choice.. but i always had issues with little things here and there [13:28] i know of someone who was making their own slackware live distro, i think their name started with strankan [13:28] er straterra [13:29] I was thinking about it myself at one point.. but it was troo much work for the available time [13:29] yea ask straterra [13:30] I keep saying that I'm going to build a 64-bit version of Slax one of these days. [13:30] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] What I want to see from Slax is one with all the packages of a full Slack install on it by default without having to piss around going to get and convert all the modules myself [13:32] do you have any idea how hard that is to do? [13:32] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:32] the reason why ubuntu and pcgayos are shittier than slackware, even though they have more devs? they waste all their time getting the livecd to work perfect [13:33] spook_: the point, I think, is that a Live env and an installed env are totally different animals [13:33] Something thats perfect as an installed os is likely to suck a bit as a live OS and vice-versa [13:33] except slackware. [13:33] it can do no wrong [13:34] Action: spook_ hopes to have pleased the ##slackware gods [13:34] Except that there ISN'T a full-install live equivalent [13:34] night [13:34] cuba (n=cubicka@193.1.184.254) left irc: "Leaving" [13:35] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] in the absence of one, and with Slax being the closest thing.. i like this one better [13:35] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got netsplit. [13:35] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.cwru.edu) got netsplit. [13:35] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) got netsplit. [13:35] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) got netsplit. [13:35] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) got netsplit. [13:35] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [13:35] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) got netsplit. [13:35] in ALL other cases.. Slackware is the only way. Ever. [13:36] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) returned to ##slackware. [13:36] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.cwru.edu) returned to ##slackware. [13:36] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [13:36] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) returned to ##slackware. [13:36] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) returned to ##slackware. [13:36] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) returned to ##slackware. [13:36] Hey, how goes it Zordrak? Get Bacula up and going? [13:36] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:36] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] yep [13:37] bacula ftw :) [13:37] Hah hah. [13:37] cool. [13:37] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:37] theres one windows host thats blowing chunks and wont respond to the daemon, but i havent been arsed to fix it yet [13:37] ]most likely a win problem [13:37] you got RT working yet? [13:37] Zordrak: You need to take off, and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. [13:37] Zordrak: Ya, been using it for a couple weeks now. [13:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@222.105.16.242) left irc: "Leaving" [13:38] It's the shizzle isn't it :D [13:38] Zordrak: Still going through and configuring it and adding all of our stuff to it. [13:38] Zordrak: the RTFM is nice, but the wiki part of it needs to be fixed. [13:38] not used rtfm myself [13:39] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [13:39] giuppy (n=giuppy@host38-165-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:40] oh FFS!!! Im on 20% battery and my missus took the charger out of the bag and didnt put it back [13:40] [i [13:40] Zordrak: Your auth add on is a big help though. Is there a way to have it update the database with what it polls from ldap though? Right now it only adds the user once they interact with RT. [13:41] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) got lost in the net-split. [13:41] yeah it's been a bit of a drawback, but not something ive worked on yet [13:41] you could script jibsheet's LDAP import script if it would help [13:41] (i think) [13:41] never tried it [13:42] Zordrak: I'll have to take a look at that. [13:42] it's all stuff that will make it into future versions, but it's troo low on my entire-life-priorities-list at the moment [13:42] it think jibsheet made it anyway [13:42] it might have been someone else [13:42] neobug (n=neobug@88.118.83.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] should be on the wiki in any caser [13:42] neobug (n=neobug@88.118.83.68) joined ##slackware. [13:43] id have a quick look but it will kill my battery even quicker :p [13:43] heh, no worries. [13:43] Zordrak: OH are you glad you built bacula with bat? [13:43] meh [13:43] makes no real diff to me [13:43] lol [13:44] it's kinda nice to have something to look at.. but had no reason to actually use it [13:44] Eh, i guess when you get to have as much as I do it just makes things a bit easier. [13:44] if it were capable of modifying schedules and stuff, maybe.. but all it really lets you do other than monitor is to label volumes, but since i use auto labelling, it doesnt help [13:45] all i really use to interface with bacula is the email reports.. cause once the config's done it's done [13:45] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:45] oh hey.. i have fantastic news I want to pass on.. [13:45] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [13:46] (not that anyone but me truly cares) [13:46] the stone finally passed? [13:46] Good news, everyone! [13:46] Creative finally released linux drivers for my main desktop's sound card at home, and ATI are finally supporting linux on my GFX card.. so I finally get to install Slack on my desktop!! Woo!!!# [13:47] Hmm... validation error. [13:47] [13:47] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [13:47] Failarama. [13:48] i just cant believe it took creative THREE FUCKING YEARS to release a basic driver for the fatal1ty series..... [13:48] what makes it unbearable is the driver is TINY.. it's just 68k worth of C that makes a kernel module [13:48] i feel utterly betrayed by those bastards [13:48] people still buy creative sound cards? [13:48] LSD`: I bought it in 2005 [13:49] Zordrak: free-software, write it yourself [13:49] Last Creative card I bought was back in 1998 or somwething [13:49] thrice`: their hardware though... how would i even begin to know how to write a driver for it, even if i knew how to write hardware drivers? [13:49] LSD`: Why wouldn't you buy one? [13:49] it's all closed proprietary stuff... or it was [13:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:50] agentc0re|work: the drivers were shite, the hardware wasn't much better (Creative took a massive dump when they went PCI) and onboard has been good enough for me these last 5 years or so so I've had no need to really bother with sound cards [13:50] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] it just totally sucked ASS that without sound.. my desktop would be pretty useless so ive always had to run XP on it.. but now FINALLY.. FINALLY!!! I get to run Slack on it!! Woooooo!! [13:51] jfs does not support shrinking ... that sucks [13:51] 5 mins left on batt :( [13:51] alkos333_2: Ya.. it's a fall back. [13:52] agentc0re: kind of defeats the phone purpose of LVM in my case.. [13:52] I guess I'm gonna make a switch to ext4 since it's easy when you have LVM :) [13:52] alkos333_2: I think JFS2 does, but it's not released to the public i think. [13:52] uva (n=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Well I'm off.. the orange batt light is now flashing in my face so I guess the time has come [13:53] catch y'all in the morning [13:53] and it's gonna be officially supported in the installer starting with Slack 13 [13:53] Zordrak: Laterz. [13:53] agentc0re: Yes, I love JFS - it's very reliable and quick on recovery, but I want to be able to resize my partitions freely .. [13:53] I like the flexibility [13:53] So ext4 supports shrinking, correct? [13:54] Not sure, i haven't looked up anything on ext4 at all. [13:54] Yes, it does... just has to be unmounted :) [13:54] I'm read up on it more though [13:58] ext4 looks somewhat dangerous to me... after all data isn't guaranteed to be stored on the drive until 60 seconds after commiting the store command... that way you might have less fragmentation but 60 seconds can mean quite some loss of data in case of a crash or an autage.. just my 2 cents on ext4 [13:58] Woo.. just found a use for a use for a Quad 3.6GHz Xeon machine with 4GB RAM. IRC! [13:58] lol [13:58] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:58] *facepalm* [13:58] a use for a use? [13:58] isn't that suppose to be use for a used [13:59] s/use for a// [13:59] hey everytime i fire up my system and enter kde4 i get a Kresource migration tool window [13:59] is there a way to make that stop? [14:00] kitche: also using it to test 802.15.4 chips :) [14:00] Zordrak: whoopy do :) I just wish I could compile what I m trying to but I been having power outages today [14:00] ThoriuM (n=mileandr@86.121.195.164) left ##slackware. [14:00] maybe I'll go watch some free digital tv [14:01] hey it's not MINE.. :) I dont happen to have have a million lying around for that kinda shit [14:01] Action: kitche does not care what happens to this computer since the cmos is gone in it [14:01] s/have/half/ [14:02] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] 802.15.4..isn't that ZigBee? [14:02] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.cwru.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:03] nullboy: 1000 points.. well done :) [14:03] \o/ [14:03] theyre not quite te same thing, but ZigBee is an 802.15.4 thing [14:04] Wanna place an order for about $500,000.. would really help us this quarter :) [14:04] hehe [14:04] zigbee is like the nicely packaged 802.15.4 setups right? [14:04] they come with breakout boards and stuff [14:05] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:05] Well.. our ZigBee chips are even more than that because we provide a whole module and the Application sofwtare on top so companies dont have to do the work themselves [14:05] it's like an A-I-O solution [14:05] not to mention the 6LoWPAN stuff (IPv6) [14:06] Shuren (n=Devilman@host150-124-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [14:07] IIRC ZigBee is like a ratified communication standard that lives on 802.15.4.. [14:07] but i dont know precisely.. im not an engnieer, im a SysAdmin.. I just get paid overtime to be a chip handler for the tester [14:07] nice [14:08] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:08] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:08] hai' [14:09] I learn what I can about the technology when appropriate.. but mostly im concerned with making sure the networks up and replacing the mailserver, and providing testing environments.. that kinda thing [14:09] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:09] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] agh just got slack setup on this eeepc [14:09] its ... different [14:10] Good different.. or @someone just shat on my neck@ different [14:10] ummm [14:11] So i setup cacti to monitor postfix today. This should turn out some interesting results. My firewall also does smtp filtering. I received 28,543 emails total. 27,650 instantly rejected using DNSBLs, 192 were quarantined spam from Spamassassin and 701 were passed. I've had the cacti monitoring post fix for only 30 min or so and already it's rejected 50 emails. [14:11] its a 900a ... and i'm still trying to get reused to the keyboard ;P [14:11] agentc0re|work: remind me what cacti does... havent got around to it yet [14:11] So i'm going to laugh when i can say that we actually only receive 100 legit emails out of our 28,000 we receive daily on an average. [14:11] still havent got around to reconfig mrtg [14:11] Zordrak: It's an SNMP RDD graphing tool. [14:12] RRD [14:12] what.. like a combined mailgraph/dnsgraph kinda thing? [14:12] but for any snmp data? [14:12] agent i worked for a fortune 1000 company .. and on avg each day we recieved a estimated 1 - 2 million emails ... 95% of which were spam [14:13] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.94) left irc: ":wq" [14:13] hmm [14:13] Maybe i should swap out my combined SystemGraph/MailGraph/DNSGraph stuff for Cacti at home... [14:14] ummm ya ? [14:14] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [14:14] this eee is kinda nice running beryl [14:14] look at me.. giving myself MORE work I dont have time to do :)( [14:14] weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [14:14] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [14:16] sidmario_ (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:16] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] bono (i=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:17] what tool is there to unpack 7-zip archives? [14:17] slava_dp, p7zip ? [14:17] omg [14:17] http://www.7-zip.org/download.html [14:17] ... [14:17] i think i could completely replace mrtg with this shit [14:17] i mean included in slackware :) [14:18] slava_dp, none [14:18] ... [14:18] you make slackware do what you want [14:18] uhh i thought so, thanks [14:18] agentc0re|work: why didnt you tell me about this before :) [14:18] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] 7zip is actually not that stabilized (and liblzma and libzx not much more, well, liblzma actually is) [14:19] Camarade_Tux, will go get p7zip, thank you. [14:19] it haz a slackbuild :) [14:19] yeah, sbopkg rules as usual [14:19] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/p7zip/ [14:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] RLuft (n=root@200.188.174.223) left irc: "Reconnecting" [14:21] RLuft (n=root@200.188.174.223) joined ##slackware. [14:21] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[14:30] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't understand how slava_dp can complain, he's compiling qt4.3 [14:30] Hugin84 (n=hugin@pacman.unixag-zw.fh-kl.de) left irc: "press alt+F4 to follow me" [14:31] slava_dp, make -jX could have speeded the build process ;) plus the p7zip slackbuild builds *everything* [14:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Shuren (n=Devilman@host150-124-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Makaveli4life_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]" [14:31] hmmmmmmmmmmmm [14:31] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:32] dell is terrible at helping me get to the open source pc's [14:32] ugh [14:32] Greetings all. [14:32] Greetings MrHales. [14:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:44] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:47] Hello people :> [14:48] edxs (n=kcandrew@24-247-42-127.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B084CAC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:51] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [14:52] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B084CAC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] i experienced a weird problem today, whilst ssh-in' from a mac to linux, was trying to write a £ sign to a file in the cgi-bin with nano and vim. It wouldn't let me. [14:54] Hello acidchild. How are you? [14:54] nano sent me to the end of the file and added a question mark and vim put some other jibberish infront of it. [14:55] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:56] nano does the same as vim, from my slackware laptop. [14:56] what could be causing this? [14:56] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-205169.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever [14:57] filipe_xD (n=filipe@ENVIEM-DOCES-PROS-OPS-DO-CANAL-SLACKWARE.inrede.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:57] ThoriuM (n=mileandr@86.121.195.164) joined ##slackware. [14:57] ThoriuM (n=mileandr@86.121.195.164) left ##slackware. [14:57] vncsnvs, [14:57] ThoriuM (n=mileandr@86.121.195.164) joined ##slackware. [14:57] ThoriuM (n=mileandr@86.121.195.164) left ##slackware. [14:57] filipe_xD, =D [14:57] aquele fallen é maior cusão [14:58] só podia ser gordo o filho da puta [14:58] filipe_xD, haueiaeuhae, pq? [14:58] filipe_xD, te ban tB? [14:58] sim [14:58] olha meu WHOIS [14:58] só por causa disso [14:58] uhauha [14:59] filipe_xD, lol! enviem doces! [14:59] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-208-72.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:59] filipe_xD, eu tb tava apelando lah no canal. tava tirando os bixo [14:59] vncsnvs, pois eu nao [14:59] tava diboa [14:59] he [15:00] English only [15:00] filipe_xD, me baniram permanentemente [15:00] ok [15:00] strankan, ok [15:00] straterra, ok [15:01] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-162-196-84.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:01] TiberiusXXIXV (n=Tiberius@41.208.50.160) joined ##slackware. [15:02] filipe_xD, they'll kick us here too [15:02] filipe_xD, lol [15:03] !ops [15:07] you guys can private message each other [15:08] agoickeepas (n=root@210.211.129.87) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] sidmario (n=sidmario@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:11] edxs (n=kcandrew@24-247-42-127.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "C'est la vie" [15:13] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] Hey guys, I have a weird problem with slackpkg. I just installed slackware, uncommented one line out of the mirrors list, then run slackpkg update, slackpkg-upgrade-all it errored about gpg, so I did what it said then redone slackpkg upgrade-all and it errored with the same error: http://rafb.net/p/1Tj05U10.html <-- what am I missing here ? [15:17] dusty_: Should it be looking for GPG-KEY somewhere? [15:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:19] vncsnvs kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: vncsvs_asshat, go away. [15:19] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] dude_ (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:22] eviljames, How do you mean ? [15:22] Zomg...slackboy speaks. [15:22] Nick change: dude_ -> madbear [15:22] dusty_: slackpkg update gpg [15:22] Then, slackpkg update. [15:22] jkwood: He did that alreayd [15:22] oh [15:23] Then, slackpkg upgrade-all. [15:23] Action: eviljames writes that down [15:23] Thank you. [15:24] No problem. :) [15:24] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "reboot" [15:24] oh god [15:25] It's still doing it. [15:25] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:25] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Hmm... [15:26] Action: jkwood reads more carefully [15:26] dusty_: Do you have gnupg? [15:26] I would imagine so I did a full install, all 4.8gb's worth ;-] [15:27] Well, then, that's odd. [15:27] hrm saying that.. [15:27] which: no gnupg in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin) [15:28] dusty_: ls /var/log/packages/gnupg* [15:28] gnupg-1.4.9-i486-1 gnupg2-2.0.9-i486-1 [15:29] if I can't find it with which, that means the system won't be able to find it as its not in the path, perhaps locate it and add it to the path ? [15:29] Well, that's not the binary. [15:29] oh right [15:29] so am I missing files then ? [15:29] It's actually gpg. [15:29] I don't think so. [15:29] hmm [15:29] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] Shuren (n=Devilman@host150-124-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Unless there's something wrong with the gpg key from slackware.org.uk... but that should give a different error. [15:31] i had the same problem after a dodgy shutdown on ext2 [15:31] hrm [15:31] it might be that, as I have been replacing the motherboard etc.. [15:32] How did you resolve, fs check? [15:32] nope, reinstalled. [15:32] oh crap [15:32] ok [15:32] I guess you could wipe the temp files. [15:32] thats doable, its a new install anyways. [15:32] lol [15:33] I am tempted to try slamd64 instead [15:33] downloading it now. [15:33] Not bothered running a 64bit OS before, and i've had a 64bit processor for ages. [15:33] It's sexay. [15:33] :> [15:33] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:34] twice as sexy, to be accurate [15:34] You could do rm -rf /tmp/slackpkg* and try again. [15:34] Although... that doesn't appear to be where the gpg key goes. [15:36] its just dropped in tmp/ [15:36] bah, i've decided slamd64 it is =] [15:36] Gotta wait for the ISO to finish. [15:36] rg3 (n=rg3@62.32.128.34) joined ##slackware. [15:36] hi [15:37] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] you have 64bit CD/DVD media right? [15:40] XD [15:40] Action: nullboy runs around flailing arms in the air [15:44] Is anyone running Zimbra on a slackware host? [15:44] sidmario (n=sidmario@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:45] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:46] heh [15:46] Zimbra is a PITA [15:48] tamara` (i=817db666@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-891a6aa1dbaa570d) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [15:49] but it's purdy. [15:49] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:52] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] p431i7o_py1 (n=p431i7o@adsl-134-205.click.com.py) joined ##slackware. [15:55] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. 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I am downloading slamd64 iso's if that's what you mean ? [15:59] lol [16:00] =] [16:00] anyone knows if there's a freebsd based livecd or dvd somewhere [16:00] there is a freebsd livecd on the mirrors. [16:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:00] which mirrors [16:01] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Let me look for you. [16:01] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] lol [16:02] ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.1/7.1-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso [16:02] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.71.71) joined ##slackware. [16:02] I am guessing livefs == livecd. I have never installed freebsd from livecd before. I just downloaded the install iso's and noticed that one the other day. [16:02] I hadnt used freebsd since a long time. can I bring up X11 with that and install software from ports? [16:02] livefs may not be a live cd, check the handbook. [16:02] freebsd.org/handbook [16:02] what about freesbie? [16:03] dissociative, yes. [16:03] freesbie is a bit old [16:03] dissociative, why are you talking about freebsd in slackware. I usually get flamed, for going off-topic. [16:03] Action: dusty_ looks around.. [16:03] Action: dusty_ tuts.. [16:03] =] [16:03] &BSD is a gray area [16:03] * [16:04] SlacKLnX (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) joined ##slackware. [16:04] dissociative: read the handbook, not related to slackware [16:04] nullboy, Why is that? BSD Is awesome! [16:04] hmmm.. AlianBob's tagfile generator sets iputils to SKP even though it's installed on the current system, that's weird.. [16:04] dusty_: i didn't say it was bad or good [16:05] define "gray area" ? [16:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:05] a lot of people in here use slackware as well as *BSD [16:06] I see that my necessities arent still satisfaced completely with the linux kernel until now with my current setup [16:06] dusty_: typically going off-topic is ok, provided that you stfu when people are asking questions that are on-topic :D [16:08] but questions like "how do I install xorg on freebsd" are lame [16:09] thrice`: That's somewhat what I usually disclaim to new folks: "Asking questions is fine, but expect rtfm if you ask about something that is well-documented." [16:09] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:14] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:14] eviljames, that is fair enough :) [16:14] _Elric_ (n=elric_@87.13.194.107) joined ##slackware. [16:14] p431i7o_py1 (n=p431i7o@adsl-134-205.click.com.py) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:15] <_Elric_> hello there =) [16:15] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] <_Elric_> i'm looking for a nice and light wiki software for my local home server, which app would you suggest ? [16:17] the wikipedia software ? [16:17] dissociative: with freebsd I usually use the install CDs and then install a minimal system. After I'm up and running I'll update ports. Then I'll either use pkg_add, or compile from source kde and xorg. Yeah you can get X going in FreeBSD. [16:17] _Elric_: there are a few wikis out there that don't need a database installed [16:18] I just install the base, then pkg_add -r xorg && pkg_add -r gnome2 ;-] I only use KDE In slackware =] [16:19] yeah I only use kde in FreeBSD......once in awhile XFce [16:19] _Elric_: i think dokuwiki is one of those, but search google first [16:20] _Elric_: I use dokuwiki, uses flat files for storage (no SQL server needed) [16:21] This is what dokuwiki can look like (using a Mediawiki-alike template): http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/ [16:21] gtg, bye:) [16:22] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] does anyone know if i need to add the kde3 compat packages in -current for k3b to work? [16:22] The k3b in -current is a Qt4 based one [16:22] ok thanks [16:23] alienBOB: xorg is handled by other teams now ? [16:23] _Elric_: also, moinmoin is popular [16:23] <_Elric_> uhm.. [16:23] <_Elric_> i would like somethink simple and light [16:23] <_Elric_> i don't want any mysql server [16:23] <_Elric_> so mediawiki is not ok for me [16:23] <_Elric_> i've seen oddmuse [16:23] <_Elric_> ikiwiki [16:24] aperturefever: explain your question please [16:24] <_Elric_> but now i'll google for dokuwiki [16:24] _Elric_: be sure to check moinmoin too, i have seen its look in many places, and it's run by a lot of important websites, apparently [16:25] <_Elric_> which apps does dokuwiki relies on ? [16:25] PHP and apache [16:25] <_Elric_> anyway, my server is just a pentium-3 @ 450 Mhz, so i'd like something really like and simple [16:25] I use mediawiki at work, but like dokuwiki lots more. It is *so* powerful [16:26] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [16:27] alienBOB, what makes it *so* powerful ? [16:27] alienBOB: i was referring to macavity's gallium project. Is it part of slackware ? I mean xorg is still maintained by pat, correct? [16:27] <_Elric_> which apps does moinmoin relies on ? [16:27] _Elric_: i think it needs apache and python [16:28] <_Elric_> uhm.. [16:28] <_Elric_> that's not good :-\ [16:28] aperturefever: you make no sense. [16:28] X.Org is not maintained by Pat of Slackware at all [16:28] lol [16:29] The X.Org consortium does that [16:29] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:29] i have messed up everything.. nevermind checking macavity's page now [16:30] dusty_: the dokuwiki has better syntax and more language constructs. Additionally it supports ACLs which make it ideal for group-based Wiki documentation projects [16:30] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [16:30] what macavity is doing is not related to slackware's xorg at all [16:30] since gallium only recently went into mesa, and drivers aren't using it, I wouldn't even try it yet [16:30] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [16:30] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.58.235) joined ##slackware. [16:31] <_Elric_> i think i'll try them all, starting from oddmuse or ikiwiki [16:31] alienBOB, ah cool. [16:31] alienBOB: For some reason iputils is not being set to ADD when I run your tagfile_generator script. It's still set to SKP even though it's installed [16:31] The current xorg-server/mesa/libdrm are too hot to handle. It is utterly unstable and perhaps only works reasonably well for intel graphic hardware (because that is where the development push comes from) [16:32] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [16:32] alkos333: I can look at that, don't hold your breath though [16:32] Sure, just wanted to let you know. [16:33] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-198627.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:34] alkos333: yes I see why it does that [16:34] What is it? [16:35] paissad (n=paissad@140.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:35] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] paissad (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] well i feel all nice and clean now that i did a fresh install [16:37] after 2 years of -current updates [16:38] hahaha [16:38] alkos333: not so easy to fix. I have to think it over [16:38] nullboy: :) [16:39] nullboy: That's how I felt yesterday after I ported my system to LUKS+LVM [16:39] However, I used jfs and it's not shrinkable, so I'm gonna have to switch to ext4 here :) [16:39] alkos333: i'm using luks on my laptop with -current [16:39] but no LVM [16:40] I like LVM because of snapshots and flexibility [16:40] nullboy: LUKS is awesome :) [16:41] yeah luks gives me at least some sense of security over border agents [16:41] 0_o [16:41] you guys will hear about it on the news...if they take my laptop [16:42] methinks they'd just take your whole laptop if the encryption boggled/bothered them... [16:42] that's the point [16:42] they can have the laptop and disk i don't care about the hardware [16:43] unfortunately i doubt if it would end for you there. [16:43] yeah it wouldn't [16:43] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:43] =\ [16:43] It would probably end in Gitmo [16:43] they'd try to waterboard me stuff [16:43] and stuff* [16:44] http://xkcd.com/538/ [16:44] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:357) joined ##slackware. [16:44] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] lol [16:44] s/evil plan/"homeland security" [16:45] http://cgi.4chan.org/s/src/1236890573202.jpg [16:45] lulz [16:48] I was going to follow the update pathe in the readme from 12.1 to 12.2. One machien ehre has software raid setup. Is there any special precautions I need to watch for in doing the update? [16:48] hackedhead1 (n=hackedhe@pool-96-240-167-175.ronkva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] hackedhead1 (n=hackedhe@pool-96-240-167-175.ronkva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.5" [16:50] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:51] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [16:52] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:55] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] alkos333: do you backup the system to a separated disk that is unencrypted? [16:57] TiberiusXXIXV (n=Tiberius@41.208.50.160) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:57] what do you do for data security with backups in the event that the main encrypted system gets corrupted? [16:58] i have a script that rsync's my whole system to an external drive that i keep in a fire safe [16:58] nullboy: No, I have a RAID1 external enclosure with LUKS+LVM as well [16:58] i'm just worried about data corruption in an encrypted volume [16:58] nullboy: I use rsnapshot for backups. Just updated to 1.3.1, so I'm looking into LVM snapshots for backup, but that's only after I switch from jfs to ext4 [16:59] ALVAN (n=uyjkgh@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] nullboy: I'm not :) [16:59] nullboy: thatt risk is in my opinion the biggest single drawback to encrypted drives [16:59] NyteOwl: yeah, i know that plaintext backups sort of negate the encryption on a global scale but i really just need the encryption on the portable device, backups are secured in a safe [17:00] i encrypt / for the possibility of my laptop being stolen [17:00] alkos333: you know about the ext4 / powerloss issues right? [17:01] alkos333: it's not exactly an ext4 issue but ext4 makes the issue worse right now [17:01] nullboy: no, haven't heard of it [17:01] nullboy: yes, same here. The laptop has truecrypt (windows) at the moment. I want to set p encryption over this software raid setup just to protect the content s from any arsehole that might break in and steal it [17:02] nullboy: I don't have a safe, so I encrypt my external as well [17:02] steal the data or just the drive? [17:02] nooper: either [17:02] well.. the laptop is what he meant I think :) [17:03] nooper: if the system is powered off the data is safe with luks [17:03] I'd just grab the whole laptop if I were that arsehole :P [17:03] Rodrigo_Lopes (n=wiegraf7@201-92-231-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:03] but if they're gonna break in they're likely to take the whole computer [17:03] well encrypting it isin't going to stop him from the laptop [17:03] :) [17:03] nooper: who cares about hardware [17:03] exactly [17:03] it's the data, that's what encryption is for [17:03] hardware can be repalced [17:03] i care about my hardware [17:03] haha [17:03] i don't [17:03] it's expendable [17:03] its expensive [17:04] oh I care about it, but if some jerk steals it, well - that's what my insurance is for :) [17:04] Let's combine the two and just call hardware "expensable" [17:04] lol [17:04] Make the company pay for it! [17:04] lol eviljames [17:04] eviljames: lol [17:04] i dont really care if someone steals my movie collection as long as i have my backups [17:04] NyteOwl: you've got the right idea! [17:04] Mind you this system is only 6months old so I'd be REALLY pissed off if that happened ;) [17:04] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) joined ##slackware. [17:04] eviljames: By the way, the reason liloconfig didn't work because I didn't have any kernel packages installed since I was using my tagfiles and I run my custom kernel, so those were set to SKP [17:05] _arc_ (n=arc@85.17.65.14) joined ##slackware. [17:05] eviljames: Thanks for helping out though! [17:05] alkos333: Ahhh, gotcha. [17:05] alkos333: I do what I can. [17:05] anyway, about ext3/ext4 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/2031231 [17:05] hi [17:05] Oh ext4 finally made it to Slashdot a week later, eh? [17:05] nullboy: what fs do you use? [17:05] ext3 for now [17:05] new disc of OpenSolaris arrived today. I wonder if this one will boot? heh [17:06] NyteOwl: Good luck! [17:06] alkos333: the ext family will provide me with the highest possibility of finding someone who really knows the FS in the event of a catastrophic situation. [17:06] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-159-73.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:07] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] NyteOwl: If you have some osol q's, you can PM me (I just started Vancouver's OSUG) [17:07] nullboy: I've heard about the data loss thing, [17:07] alkos333: since i'm on a laptop i'm going to have to wait and see before i move to ext4 [17:07] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:07] nullboy: what about the powerloss? [17:08] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [17:08] that article talks about KDE4 incident [17:08] i can't take a chance with data loss, let alone data loss from powerloss with ext4 on an encrypted volume [17:08] Hello. I'm having trouble getting unicode symbols to show up in urxvt... I know I have support for unicode, because I can see them in emacs and firefox. [17:08] that would be mayhem [17:08] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] eviljames: Ok, I may in future, if I can get this to boot. [17:08] i've never had any issues with ext3 on a luks / and i've used it for a year like that [17:09] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] nullboy: Nice, it's shrinkable, right? [17:09] gparted will shrink it [17:09] nullboy: resize2fs is all I'm concerned with :) [17:09] I've never used gparted really.. once.. a long time ago [17:09] yeah [17:10] Sweet, ext3 it is [17:10] yep [17:10] I suppose I'll wait out on ext4 .. [17:10] just in case, especially for use with encrypted vols [17:11] what is the difference betwee | and &&? [17:11] | is a pipe and && means run this && then run this && then run this [17:11] nullboy: You know if the powerloss is gonna be address in 2.6.29? [17:11] do you mean || vs && ? [17:11] alkos333: no idea yet [17:11] like should i do make | make install, or make && make install [17:11] or should i do one at a time? [17:11] && [17:12] yea [17:12] what do pipes do? [17:12] mefisto` (n=mefisto@zelli-kojas.lanet.lv) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Pipe is to use to commmands at once usally [17:12] hi , all [17:12] they direct data streams [17:12] like history | grep word [17:12] oh, okay [17:12] to=two [17:12] that would pipe the output of history to grep [17:12] yep [17:12] that clears that up [17:13] Cotowar: || is different though [17:13] where could i find the list of "default fonts"in linux (default xorg installation) ? [17:13] iirc || is like run this || or run this [17:13] oh [17:13] yea i wanted && [17:13] im getting gambas [17:14] rizitis (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [17:14] that sounds funny [17:14] and || wors more like , "if this one fails, try next one" [17:14] ah yeah [17:14] hmmm [17:14] what does it mean if i get errors when i "make" something? [17:14] you're probably missing deps [17:14] damn [17:15] okay [17:15] 1 sec [17:15] don't worry i'm not waiting for you [17:15] i'm doing a 120GB rsync right now [17:15] nullboy: I think $1 || $2 = "Run $1, if it fails run $2" [17:15] eviljames: yeah mefisto` just schooled me [17:15] nullboy: As opposed to $1 && $2 = "Run $1, if it succeeds run $2" [17:15] oh, hah [17:15] Action: eviljames can't read backlogs [17:16] lol [17:16] Now it's time for some McFrickenDonalds. Wish my bowels luck! [17:16] I will. [17:16] That would will hit anyone hard [17:16] it tells me what im missing right? [17:16] should [17:17] anyway , does anyone know anything about my font thing ? [17:18] mefisto`: xfontsel? [17:18] mefisto`: ls /usr/X11/share/fonts/ [17:18] i have windows on my web-dev box [17:18] nullboy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781 [17:19] maybe someone could dump his list somewhere ? [17:19] nullboy: Will definitely be fixed with 2.6.29 [17:19] alkos333: sweet [17:19] how do i find out what dependencies i need for the "make" to work? [17:19] does it list them in the terminal jargon? [17:19] what font thing? [17:19] So they say. [17:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br expired. [17:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:20] This power loss appears to be addressed in 2.6.28.7 [17:20] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] alkos333: do you know where in the vanilla kernel changelog? i see them talking about ubuntu kernels in that list [17:24] I see references to a patch in 2.6.30. [17:24] if you have a HD dedicated to the OS, and a second for data, you can run EXT3 on one and EXT4 on the other right? [17:24] nvm [17:25] didnt think that one through [17:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/45 [17:26] nullboy: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.28.7 [17:26] (c) it's not yet in mainline, and as far as I know, not in an Ubuntu Kernel, but it is queued for integration at the next merge window, after 2.6.29 releases, and (d) this is really more of an application design problem more than any thing else. [17:26] from Theo [17:26] alkos333: it's not there i looked [17:27] so i guess theo means it will be in 2.6.29 or it will be in after 2.6.29? [17:27] Well, if it takes 60 seconds to completely commit the data to the hard drive, I can totally see how a power loss could cause such an issue [17:27] alkos333: big time [17:27] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.188.112) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:27] 60 seconds is ages in computer work time [17:27] Yes [17:27] I don't know why they thought it was acceptable [17:30] i was all jazzed yesterday about my clean install with ext4..then someone told me about this and i reformatted [17:30] Cotowar: If you lose power (as I do almost constantly), then you don't want to lose anything in either. [17:30] i'm running -current on a laptop...i expect to see some hardlocks and power issues at some point you know [17:30] Hello nullboy :) [17:30] hey! [17:31] alkos333: that someone who told me was jkwood. he ruined my party [17:31] at least the after party party was good though [17:31] how did that Wifi patch thing you where doing go nullboy ? [17:31] acidchild: it exploded and sent flames all over my room [17:32] Epic Failure. [17:32] haha [17:32] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-4-246.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:32] just kidding about the fire but the wifi stack became so unstable that i couldn't do sh!t [17:32] i could associate as a client and that was it. anything else would cause OOPs [17:32] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:33] nullboy: Yes, I was psyched over my jfs set up with LUKS and LVM [17:33] nullboy: ah, well it was a fun experiment. [17:33] nullboy: Until I found out I can shrink jfs filesystems, so I didn't have a true flexibility I was looking for [17:33] s/can/can't/ [17:33] '?' [17:34] *have true flexibility [17:34] acidchild: it will be better as soon as all the userspace stuff catches up to the kernel and all the floating patches get a real home [17:36] Action: acidchild nods. [17:38] Action: acidchild twiddles his fingers. [17:38] Not really sure what to do now.. [17:39] lol [17:39] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.58.235) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] upgrade to -current that will give you a pile of stuff [17:40] i need to do a backup and a reinstall [17:40] :| [17:40] nullboy: What wifi patch were you working on? [17:41] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [17:41] alkos333: Master mode for ath5k in 2.6.29-rc7 [17:42] 2.6.27.7-grsec-smp [17:42] i should upgrade :| [17:42] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] alkos333: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11007 [17:42] i didn't write that though [17:42] neobug (n=neobug@88.118.83.68) left irc: "leaving" [17:43] grsecurity-2.1.12-2.6.27.10-200812271347.patch.gz December 27 2008 13:55:59 [17:43] i guess .10 is the max kernel version i can upgrade too :-( [17:45] I see [17:46] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: "leaving" [17:46] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] alkos333: currently there are aptches all over the internet, half disabled userspace tools and constant changes to nl80211 [17:46] sidmario (n=sidmario@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:46] lol [17:46] so it's going to be messy until 2.6.29 is actually stable released [17:46] Glad I don't have that card [17:47] That's gonna be soon though [17:47] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] i did have it working with hostapd, randomly though [17:47] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:47] hi, how to install driver ati hd3650 on sl12.2, after install and startx X my display is blank e system crash [17:47] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] nullboy: Linux is crap. [17:48] why do you use it? [17:48] =P [17:48] but but [17:49] no buttz foo [17:49] i'm not cool enough for BSD [17:49] rofl [17:49] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.58.235) joined ##slackware. [17:49] i have a bad-ass netbsd box =P [17:49] so nice outside.. +7 and the sun is shining! That walk to McD's wasn't half bad [17:49] what you get from mcfattys? [17:50] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Weather for Toronto, ON - -3°C - [17:50] :(( [17:50] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [17:50] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui embora" [17:50] acidchild: Double QP [17:50] acidchild: My toilet is in for a treat later! [17:50] haha wicked. [17:51] yeah i had salad, bacon and egg sandwich. [17:51] and the toilet ate it 15minutes later. [17:51] You don't make friends with salad! [17:51] Action: acidchild is sooo excited for tomorrow [17:51] looking at this _NICE_ loft [17:52] acidchild: Just had a random snowfall in Van on Monday, it's been cold ever since so +7 is great. [17:52] acidchild: They have nice things in Tdot? I thought it was all pavement and parking lots? [17:52] :( we had a lil bit of snow last night, it didn't settle. [17:52] eviljames: rofl. [17:52] http://viewit.ca/vwExpandView.aspx?ViT=19833 [17:52] It seems that I seldom get responses when I ask for help on usenet, in forums, or on irc. [17:52] pi31415: Is it a well documented issue? [17:52] pi31415: you didn't even ask a question. [17:53] Sometimes I wonder if I should ask easier questions. [17:53] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] acidchild: did you want me to ask a question? [17:53] well i'd prefer it over bitching [17:53] Oh, acidchild and I both assumed you had not gotten a response to something.. [17:53] next time i will talk about toilets and the weather [17:53] eviljames: i did /lastlog and saw nothing. [17:53] pi31415: stfu [17:53] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:53] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left ##slackware. [17:54] kthxbye [17:54] evening :-) [17:54] what's crackalackingmackalackin? [17:54] hello macavit =) [17:54] eviljames: seems nice, 18" ceilings =] [17:54] acidchild: that is a nice looking place. [17:54] HAH WTF [17:54] St. Fu, patron saint of ninjas and http://projectstfu.com [17:54] chopp: :D [17:54] 18" ceilings, dude what kind of midget are you? [17:54] 19" ceilings? must be a doll house :) [17:55] NyteOwl: good catch :D [17:55] jkwood: lulz! :P [17:55] SORRY [17:55] I MENT ' [17:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] I think he meant meant instead of ment [17:55] heh [17:55] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] :( [17:55] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:55] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [17:56] i did metric in school! [17:56] What? Someone needs a mint? [17:57] no... [17:57] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [17:58] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:58] acidchild: Whereabouts? [17:59] lee555J5 (n=lee@68.113.105.106) joined ##slackware. [17:59] acidchild: I have an uncle who lives on Queen's Quay and has vaulted ceilings in his condo like that.. [17:59] Queen's quay is not downtown. [18:00] It's around the corner from the needle thing / ball park [18:00] queen and parliament is like err... 3 blocks from the 'center' [18:00] it has a center? [18:00] :) [18:00] black holes don't have 'center's per se [18:01] yeah queen/dundas and yonge is pretty much the ceneral point of toronto. [18:01] goes from Bathurst on the far West and Broadview on the far east. [18:01] http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Yonge+St+%26+Queen+St+W,+Toronto,+Toronto+Division,+Ontario,+Canada&daddr=QUEEN+at+PARLIAMENT+TORONTO+ON+CA&hl=en&geocode=&mra=pe&mrcr=0&rtol=1&sll=43.654013,-79.371855&sspn=0.012824,0.042572&ie=UTF8&ll=43.652426,-79.379246&spn=0.006412,0.021286&z=16 [18:02] I though TO was just that "fuzzy" area around Younge ST :p [18:03] that makes no sence :| [18:03] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] It's just us Canadians hating on Toronto. [18:03] :( [18:03] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.10) left irc: [18:04] woha [18:04] tinyurl? [18:04] bigurl [18:04] :> [18:04] That isn't a tiny url. It's huge! [18:04] no.. its just plain phat [18:04] phat is a good thing. [18:04] man [18:04] ive seen 4k char urls.. [18:04] I just had mcdonalds, I'm a little sensitive about that :( [18:05] awe eviljames :( [18:05] go poop [18:05] McDonald's will make anyone feel "sensitive" down there. [18:05] if you are sensitive about phatness, then perhaps McD unfood is not the right thing to inhale? [18:06] macavity: your worse than the us goverment! [18:06] stop telling us what to do! [18:06] it was not a command.. merely a question [of sanity] :P [18:06] DO I LOOOK SANE TO YOU?! [18:07] Action: NyteOwl had CHinese for supper [18:07] acidchild: i have never seen you... [18:07] rg3 (n=rg3@62.32.128.34) left irc: "Quit" [18:07] LOL [18:09] i don't even wana post a picture :-( [18:09] you guys will dis me :-( [18:09] Shingoshi_ (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] Dis... own? [18:10] your my daddy! OMG! [18:10] ;o [18:10] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-162-196-84.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:11] You had to find out somehow [18:11] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [18:11] ... acidchild is half SMURF?!? [18:11] totally [18:11] i look 13 in my company photo :| [18:11] Zak_ (n=Zak@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) joined ##slackware. [18:13] sidmario (n=sidmario@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:13] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] Anyone willing to help a slackware noob get kde4.2 running on slackware 12.2? Just dl'd and installed today (KDE 4.2 is now in the current distro - no longer in testing) but I can't get KDE as a valid choice in xwmconfig. [18:13] acidchild: That's not bad, I look 40 and I'm only 26 :( [18:13] _ohm (n=nava@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:14] alkos333: try the updated version of my tagfile_generator if you want... [18:14] eviljames: some dude i know, actully told me to stop lieing when i told him i was 20th birthday [18:14] Zak_: are you running 12.2 or -current? [18:14] eviljames: he thought i was 32 [18:14] :| [18:14] Zak_: look in /etc/X11/xinit/ [18:14] current [18:14] Zak_: it should just work [18:14] Zak_: xinitrc is a symlink that points to something or other [18:15] Zak_: we compiled the KDE 4.2.1 packages using a new compiler and new glibc... fat chance that the packages will not be useable in 12.2 [18:15] ah, alienBOB beat me to it :P [18:15] ;-) [18:15] i think he's running current though [18:15] Zak_: your first line was confusing [18:15] HE said " running on slackware 12.2? " [18:15] are you running -current from and upgrade or what? [18:16] i was just about to say "uhm, but the last kde4 build was presumably the last one that works with 12.2" [18:16] no .kde choice in xinit - I currently have it using xfce just so I could have something working. [18:16] 2009-03-12 15:14:27) nullboy: Zak_: are you running 12.2 or -current? [18:16] (2009-03-12 15:14:46) Zak_: current [18:16] running current - updated everything with slapt-get [18:16] ... [18:16] eeek [18:17] clearer? [18:18] Zak_: we do not support systems that has been killed to death by slapt-get.. go complain to them for negleting to mention on the project page that "the official slackware community hates us, please dont bother them if you use this software" [18:18] How can something be killed to death? [18:18] you keep stabbing it [18:18] I think it is by definition. [18:18] over and over [18:18] Xeus_22 (n=javier@190.51.236.184) joined ##slackware. [18:19] hi [18:19] ccfreak2k: how can something *not* be killed to *death*? [18:19] Ok, then it's redundant. [18:19] ok - so use slackpkg instead? [18:19] use pkgtools [18:19] and rsync [18:19] Zak_: yes! [18:19] problem solved. [18:20] Zak_: slackpkg even has direct instructions in the manpage on how to upgrade to current [18:20] I'll give that a shot - thx! [18:20] i not speak in english [18:20] you just did [18:20] Zak_: consider a fresh install if it is not too much of a hassle [18:21] anyone have UPS's in their house? [18:21] me [18:21] Xeus_22: You know a little, obviously :D [18:21] I have one. [18:21] eviljames, jijiji [18:21] It's old, but it works. [18:21] one question [18:21] i need something for about 5 machines... [18:21] you need a big one then [18:21] yeah [18:21] Xeus_22: please ask :-) [18:21] 500$ or so i'm willing to fork out [18:21] maybe i should just get a generator [18:21] i not find packages for kde4 support kde3 in repository's [18:22] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:22] they were moved? [18:22] nullboy: that depends.. if he just need to jump up and change the fuse (and can do it in 3 minutes flat), it doesnt need to be *that* big? [18:22] Xeus_22: look in /extra [18:22] macavity: looking at the latest ext4 + powerloss issues...yeah it's a big deal [18:22] or at least can be a big deal [18:22] in slackware-current? [18:23] o in slackware 12.2? [18:23] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:23] Xeus_22: are you running KDE4 on slackware 12.2? [18:23] acidchild: http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm [18:23] price is too high though [18:24] macavity, yes [18:24] cat /etc/slackware-version ****** Slackware 12.2.0 ******** [18:24] acidchild: 670watt http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm [18:24] acidchild, why not just get one for each machine? [18:24] Qt: 4.4.3 --- KDE: 4.2.00 (KDE 4.2.0) [18:25] ccfreak2k: because i don't want to have to monior 5 diffrent UPS [18:25] and its probly cheaper to buy a big one than 5 bigish ones [18:25] this is how dirty my freaking power is: ASTXFER : Input frequency out of range [18:25] it's all over, voltage, freq [18:25] nullboy: System Error [18:25] on that Link :| 404 [18:25] obvious I cannot compile packages for kde3 in kde4 [18:25] acidchild: what the hell [18:26] Xeus_22: with the compat libs you might be able to [18:26] I have these old UPS i wonder if i could just modify them [18:26] because batterys might be cheaper.. [18:26] alienBOB, not to find it in extra [18:26] acidchild: you can get credit with APC for any UPS units [18:27] even competitor units [18:27] OOh! i have a nice rackmounted UPS! [18:27] forgot about that :P [18:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:28] Xeus_22: when you install KDE4 and the KDE3-compatibility packages, you can not compile KDE3 code. The compatibility packages are only for _running_ KDE3 apps [18:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:28] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.74.98) joined ##slackware. [18:29] Xeus_22: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/extra/kde3-compat/ is what we have available. [18:29] there is no form to compile packages of kde3 in kde4? [18:29] alienBOB: erm... but it worked for me :) [18:29] thanks alienBOB. [18:29] mefisto` (n=mefisto@zelli-kojas.lanet.lv) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:30] i find in other mirror... [18:31] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] pprkut: well good for you :-) Other people complained they could not compile stuff. Possibly because that software needed more than just kdelibs [18:33] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] alienBOB: possible. plus, the pkgconfig files are not in $PKG_CONFIG_PATH. [18:34] that is an issue for some apps as well [18:37] josemanuel (n=josemanu@35.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:39] i'm really starting ti like kde4 more now [18:39] to [18:40] at first i think i went through GUI shock [18:40] i'm sorry [18:40] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:42] nullboy, that reminds me, how does kde4 organizes applications in the taskbar? what is its criterion? [18:42] category [18:43] it's the same organization, just shaped differently [18:43] the taskbar, not the menu [18:43] Shingoshi_ (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:43] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]" [18:43] i don't see a differenceon that [18:43] very thanks [18:43] bye! [18:43] it works the same, you can set it up how you like [18:44] i'm probably not making myself clear [18:44] Xeus_22 (n=javier@190.51.236.184) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:44] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-139-158.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [18:44] do you mean task grouping? [18:44] apps in the taskbar, the apps you have open and are using [18:44] yeah what about them? [18:45] how do they get organized there? [18:45] it's the same thing as kde3, it groups them if you want them grouped [18:45] nullboy: I've got a 1500W UPS upstairs. [18:45] its a CyberPower Rackmounted UPS. [18:45] acidchild: ah nice [18:46] i've used cyberpower units before [18:46] Serial Console port? [18:46] its HEAVY :| [18:46] i really wish i knew the proper terminology here [18:46] lol [18:46] josemanuel: running tasks can be grouped [18:46] how many machines would that support? [18:46] acidchild: it's hard to tell but usually go by total watt usage of all machines at peak [18:47] which ones do you mean? the ones at the right corner, or the ones you have open windows for? [18:47] like...if you power on everything at the same time [18:47] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] josemanuel: whatever i'm done [18:47] do you know that the technical name for the units that mesure power usage are called? [18:47] load meters? [18:47] you can do it with a wattkiller [18:48] like this thing http://store.komando.com/p-360-watt-killer-electricity-usage-monitor.aspx [18:48] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] http://store.komando.com/p-360-watt-killer-electricity-usage-monitor.aspx ? [18:48] hahah [18:48] lol! [18:49] really they are only 50$?! [18:49] they are cool little units too [18:49] alpha (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:49] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] ATT just sent flyers out in my neighborhood...dsl is finally available now [18:50] i'm bringing 4 2U servers [18:50] before all i could get was cable [18:50] the cable is still faster but if charter takes a crap i'll switch [18:50] and a rack and that 1500wV UPS [18:50] nullboy: ATT = the devvil. And not that nice devil that BSD has hawking their wares. The eeevil one. [18:50] nullboy: Trust me, I know. [18:51] eviljames: yeah but charter is the devil too [18:51] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-208-72.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [18:51] they called me a "hacker" because i packet dumped them injecting RSTs [18:51] nullboy: As I understand, most of the USA telecoms/cablecos are. [18:51] nullboy: call them a newbie :P [18:51] ie: "we'd rather throttle and oversell our service than invest in infrastucture made in the last 10 years" [18:52] they were RSTing DNS queries because their crappy DNS redirection infrastructure couldn't handle the loads [18:52] eviljames: ha exactly ^^ [18:52] nullboy: 4.2.2.2 :> [18:52] bastard [18:52] lol [18:52] josemanuel (n=josemanu@35.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [18:52] nullboy: Not to brag (but I will because I can! ;) ), my cableco is in the process of rolling out docsis3.0 [18:52] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] acidchild: i woudln;t work [18:53] they were catching all DNS [18:53] nullboy: i can give you a VPN :P [18:53] with NAT [18:53] it's ok now [18:53] nullboy: In theory it'll be 'throttled' to 100mb duplex. [18:53] haha. [18:53] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) joined ##slackware. [18:53] charter's gear in my area is held together with duct tape [18:54] wicked :-P [18:54] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:357) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:54] acidchild: Can you get shaw in TO/ [18:54] acidchild: Or is it all Rogers/Bell? [18:54] nope. [18:54] you unfortunate soul. [18:54] telus? [18:54] Rogers and Bell, but i think i'm going to get Teksavvy [18:55] isn't telus your ATT? [18:55] yeah Telus does 100mbit fiber to some of the condos downtown for 99$/month [18:55] no, allstream is our ATT [18:55] ah [18:55] Telus used to be BCTel way back in the day [18:55] evening guys [18:56] eviljames: evne though ATT was ma bell and then not ma bell and then ma bell again, i just get a warm fuzzy feeling working with them...you know, like that warm fuzzy feeling of your data being culled [18:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:56] nullboy: hahaha so true. [18:56] nullboy: the conspiracy theory sites were churning with "AT&T is copying the internet!" not long ago [18:56] lol [18:56] OMGZ leet fibre trunk splitter! [18:56] "All data going through AT&T's network is going to secret black room owned by the NSA via fibreoptic prism splitters" [18:56] eh [18:57] straterra: don't taze me bro [18:57] bro [18:57] It's a MANZIER! [18:57] B AS15290 ALLST-15290 MTS Allstream 200 Wellington Street West, 16th Floor Toronto, Ontario M5G 2K8 Canada Backbone Technology [18:57] i like tutles [18:57] lol [18:58] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] acidchild: is that like our sprint-link? [18:58] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:58] or is that your NOC? [18:58] nullboy: mmmm...? [18:59] yeah, we have THT, Allstream and now Bell on our ASN [18:59] you know one of the main US fiber links [18:59] the sprint link is one of them that goes across the whole country [18:59] allstream comes for TORIX [18:59] acidchild: are those peers or do they/you pay ? [19:00] both. [19:00] cool [19:00] Bell is a peer the other two are just upstreams [19:01] i'm thinking of just spending some money on building a wireless link from the NOC to my new place :-P [19:01] i like being able to control the big iron routers of my own internet connection [19:02] lol i bet [19:02] root@r1:~# ip route |wc -l [19:02] 278688 [19:02] geez [19:02] holy crap [19:02] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [19:02] >:) [19:03] 06:37:37 up 112 days, 6:10, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.00 [19:03] pretty low load [19:04] Cryp71c (n=robert@c-68-52-184-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] https://miroguide.com/items/1760628 [19:04] Cryp71c (n=robert@c-68-52-184-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:05] the good old defcon ASN hack [19:06] https://media.defcon.org/dc-16/video/Defcon16-Kapela-Pilosov-Stealing_the_Internet.m4v [19:06] hehe [19:06] makes me want areal job in a NOC [19:07] Come to toronto, i could probly get you mine :P [19:07] lol! [19:07] i'll be in edmonton next week for a wedding [19:07] close but not close enough [19:08] I wouldn't say Edmonton is quite close to TO. But acidchild, I may take you up on that :P [19:08] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] closer than i am right now down here in California [19:09] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:10] nullboy: It looks like over the next 14 days it should be pretty nice, hovering around -5C [19:10] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:10] nullboy: And that is spectacular for Edmonton (I lived there for 20 years) [19:10] yeah last week my uncle said it was brutal [19:10] like -25F [19:10] that's insane [19:10] -25C [19:11] And that's not 'brutal' by Edmonton standards. 'brutal' = -35 or -40 for 3 weeks straight. [19:11] that's -13F [19:11] omfg. [19:11] -13F is out of hand man [19:11] chopp knows that I'm not goofing on that. [19:11] wtf i'm in beach town cali [19:11] By chance, have you experienced -40? [19:11] http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [19:11] eviljames: yeah right [19:12] Action: eviljames = jealous. [19:12] That's an awesome forecast, it won't be like that here (Van) for a month or two :( [19:12] -3 here tonight [19:12] there's no such thing as -40 here [19:12] as nice and sunny today - I can see lawn again at last [19:12] there's not such thing as +30F here for crying out loud [19:13] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:13] we will get a cold snap that brings 40F temps, that's about as bad as it gets here. my parents house will freeze because they are in the desert though [19:14] the desert gets cold, cold in california terms [19:14] user26902 (n=user9237@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] nille__ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:14] My estimated wait time for Viewsonic is 15 minutes or less. How precise. [19:15] so it could be one sec omgz [19:15] nullboy: There are 2 great times to visit Edmonton. January (COLD) and August (HOT). [19:15] eviljames: yeah i've been in edmonton when it is 85F [19:15] In the summer, Edmonton gets +25, +30 heatwaves [19:15] hehe [19:15] Once October rolls around, it falls off a cliff [19:15] a heat wave here is 110F [19:16] That's how hot it was last time I was in Vegas. At least it was dry, though. Florida was torture for me for the first couple of days. [19:16] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.146) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [19:16] that's what kills me in canada..the air is damn dry [19:16] Not on the coast it isn't. [19:16] alpha (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:17] eye drops and chapstick are must haves in edmonton though. i'm used to living 1 mile from the beach [19:17] But in Edmonton, absolutely. [19:17] nullboy: I'm more like 1/4 mile form the sea (harbour) [19:18] NyteOwl: I probably asked this once before, but whereabouts? [19:18] Nova Scotia - Cape Breton Island actually [19:18] _ohm (n=nava@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [19:19] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] NyteOwl: Sweet! As a curiosity, I'm (distantly) related to Angus McAskill. [19:22] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:22] heh SO am I - hi cousin lol [19:22] Hey cuz! [19:22] Xeus_22 (n=javier@190.51.236.184) joined ##slackware. [19:22] That is incredibly coincidental, who would've thought you'd find a distant relation on irc some 6,000 km away? [19:23] I have returned [19:23] what a long day sheesh, i spent the last half of my workday unloading two 18 wheelers [19:23] eviljames: heh I have cousins in Uist (Outer Hebrides) and even in Fresnom California [19:23] heh [19:23] Probably some in Sweden too [19:24] solved the problem to compile applications kde3 in kde4 [19:24] Rodrigo_Lopes (n=wiegraf7@201-92-231-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:24] NyteOwl: Do they frequent ##slackware? [19:24] the problem now is that kpackage does not find the packages tgz [19:24] :( [19:24] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:24] eviljames: not that I know of :) [19:24] heh [19:25] alienBOB, nullboy help me! :S [19:25] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-205-80.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:25] why do you need kpackage ? [19:25] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [19:25] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:26] thrice`, by custom [19:26] that doesn't make any sense [19:26] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:26] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] for my if it has sense [19:28] I do not understand because in kde3 it was and now in kde4 they did not consider it. There is some other application replaces that it? [19:28] Action: Xeus_22 thank you very much translator! [19:29] what do you need kpackage for ? [19:29] again they excuse my English [19:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] perhaps there is a better way to do what you want [19:29] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-63-43.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:30] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [19:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:31] because it shows to the archives and packages of a graphic way and ordinate to me. He is fast I see and it useful. Because to have to use the console when I have a form to see the same but fast and pleasant? [19:31] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:32] I do not know one better way to do it graphically. You if? [19:32] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Bart_Y (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [19:32] I don't believe there is graphically, just /var/log/packages/* [19:32] Bart_Y (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:33] pkgtool is graphicalish. [19:33] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [19:34] then the possibility has cleared us of doing it graphically, before it was and now no. It is not a bad complaint, I want that it is a constructive complaint. [19:34] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:35] is it common to see a ton of md5sum errors when running slackpkg upgrade-all ? [19:35] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.36) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.36) joined ##slackware. [19:36] Zak_: no [19:36] do not understand because I must use pkgtool that is not so detailed when kde brings an application in which invirtio time and effort and that surely I am not the only one used that it and sees that it is a good and useful application [19:36] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:37] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Xeus_22: type short sentenses. translators get confused very easy. what you say comes out a little wrong in english. [19:38] Xeus_22: are you saying that you no longer have kpackage? Or do you mean that you can start kpackage but it does not show your packages? [19:38] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:38] Because kpackage is part of kdeadmin-4.2.1 [19:38] ok [19:39] macavity, sorry [19:39] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:39] alienBOB, i start kpackage [19:39] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:39] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] not show packeges tgz [19:40] macavity, I translate the previous thing in parts therefore it is understood [19:41] I do not understand because I must use pkgtool that is not as detailed as kpackage [19:41] Well, given that it doesn't show your packages, it sounds like pkgtool is more detailed at this point. [19:42] :P [19:42] int203 (n=adam@c-24-21-196-196.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] kde contains an application in which I spend to time and effort [19:43] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [19:43] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:43] I do not create to be the only one uses that it, is a good and useful application [19:44] SlacKLnX (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [19:45] one of the differences that encounter (beyond which she is but graphic) [19:47] it is that I can see the archives that the package with its state in my system contains. (if they are or or they are bad) [19:48] I do not want to bore, to inconvenience or to fight. I came in search of an advice and I was with excuses. Sorry [19:49] i have a system that is multi-homed. It is connected to 10.0.0.0/24 via wifi and then later on i connected it to 10.0.0.0/24 via hardline and used dhcpcd -R -L -G eth0 to get an address. I'd like to use the hardline for scp connection but using scp -o BindAddress=IP_OF_HARDLINE doesn't work; it still uses the wifi instead. [19:49] anyone know of a way to keep both cards connected but use the hardline for specific operations? [19:49] i_is_cat (n=kittytv@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] hi [19:50] hey what do you think the reason could be 2 hosts using the same lynx.cfg file DISPLAY sites content in different locale setting in bash ? [19:50] kpakcage requires "smart pakcage manager" now. I've got a build of an old version, but nothing more recent. I'll get a newer one done and put somewhere. [19:50] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.160.25) joined ##slackware. [19:51] good evening rworkman. [19:51] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:51] nullboy, i think 2 nics in the same machine have to use dif. subnets else bridge them [19:51] ...that's not what i'm asking [19:51] mutlihomed machines on the same subnet is not unheard of [19:52] it's perfectly acceptable and before the new dhcpcd, this same method worked before [19:52] rworkman: I saw the same error just now.. [19:52] i could connect the hardline later and use it while still keeping the wifi connected [19:52] XGizzmo_:yep [19:53] nullboy: with the new dhcpcd try to set a different metric for the wireless [19:53] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] alienBOB: k trying now [19:53] G'evenin'(afternoon/mornin'),folks [19:53] -m 5 for instance for wireless [19:54] rworkman, I already have installed SMART but even so it does not work [19:54] Xeus_22: then: you will have to open a bug report on kde.org. We have nothing to do with kpackage [19:55] Xeus_22: I just checked here and it works fine. [19:55] what happens when you guys run "phantasia" as a normal user? [19:56] I get aroused macavity [19:56] I do not believe that the intention has been to clear kpackage, rather I believe that I escape to him. [19:56] i get: [19:56] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [19:56] An unrecoverable error has occurred reading /var/lib/bsdgames/phantasia/characs. (errno = 13) [19:56] Please run 'setup' to determine the problem. [19:56] Segmentation fault [19:57] the "setup" message is obviously BSD-centric.. [19:57] it works as root [19:57] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:57] alienBOB: bingo! [19:57] alienBOB: that might be a good new option to have in rc.inet1.conf [19:57] ok thank you very much [19:57] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] nullboy: it is already on the TODO [19:58] awesome, thanks [19:58] higuitas (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.2.7-dev" [19:58] that's actually really cool [19:58] bye bye [19:58] "un saludo grande desde Argentina" [19:58] Xeus_22 (n=javier@190.51.236.184) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:59] hi [19:59] macavity: it spits out that error on my Slackware 10.0 box too... [19:59] is bashrc used in SSH logins ? [19:59] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] alienBOB: the file is there and world readable.. [20:00] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:00] alienBOB: but it doesnt segfault for root... i think thats kinda funny/flakey [20:01] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:01] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:01] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:01] bryson (n=bryson@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [20:01] oh well.. its probably unrealistic to assume the BSD games have seen even sporatic maintanence for the past 10 years... [20:03] rizitis (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: "KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:04] are you kidding? fortune quotes have to be updated regularly ;) [20:04] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:04] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] oxiredo (n=mmd@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [20:05] hallo [20:05] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:06] some help with firefox/opera sound output [20:06] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.129.38) left irc: "Leaving" [20:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] oxiredo: 12.2? [20:09] no ,vectorlinux,but i have 2 sound cards and i want to put opera`s sound output to card 1 [20:10] ? [20:10] i think you're in the wrong channel [20:10] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:10] but vectorlinux is based on slackware! [20:10] ies [20:10] this is ##slackware ;) [20:10] yes [20:10] on vectorlinux i get no answer:D [20:10] same for here too [20:11] one of the reasons i ditched vector in about five minutes is because it enables esd by default [20:11] esd?!? this is beyond the year 2000... [20:11] alsa [20:11] Action: NyteOwl listens as radio plays Sweet Home Alabama [20:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [20:12] Seven Bridges Road FTW [20:12] oxiredo: really, you should ask the vector people what they changed.. on slackware sound works out of the box if your soundcard is supported [20:12] other_rafa (i=rafa@host193-123-47-78-dhcp.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:13] it work, card 1 and card 2 (mplayer -ao alsa:device=dmix=x,0) x=0;1 [20:13] oxiredo: ask #vectorlinux [20:14] k [20:14] oxiredo (n=mmd@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:14] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:14] I suppose we can make fun of oxiredo until he leaves [20:15] awww, he left already [20:15] you can hunt him down and make fun of him. [20:15] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:16] no, it's not worth the trouble. [20:16] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:16] what do you guys suggest i use to get dri working on my radeon card? [20:16] bryson: prayers? [20:16] lol [20:16] seriously, it's a PITA. [20:16] A big hammer [20:16] I made it work on my x300 [20:17] the binary driver was slower than molasses, and the OS driver a bit better [20:17] its not one of those supported by drivers they supply at ati.com [20:17] really was vesa better [20:18] I have a card like that... the open source driver is at least better than vesa [20:18] Yes, prayers. [20:18] set 'Driver "radeon"' in xorg.conf [20:19] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Client Quit [20:19] how good was glxgears,urchlay? [20:19] MLanden: not so good [20:19] OUCH [20:19] but the card itself is pretty lame [20:19] does x already have the radeon driver installed? [20:19] _arc_ (n=arc@85.17.65.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] radeon 9200SE, AGP [20:20] I pretty much only want 2D and TV output, which both work fine and decently fast [20:20] 3D works, but don't ask too much of it [20:20] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] damn...no electricsheep...:C [20:21] no compiz :( [20:21] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-170-028.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] no use for compiz for me anyway [20:21] I don't care much for compiz [20:21] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] electricsheep might be fun to play with (this is a media PC driving a TV) [20:22] greetings and salutations [20:22] salutations and greetings,andarius [20:22] _arc_ (n=arc@85.17.165.5) joined ##slackware. [20:23] actually, hm. glxgears starts out saying 663fps, but if I let it run a while it starts saying 6239fps [20:24] the first count or two is not accurate. then again glxgears is not very accurate to begin with [20:27] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:28] my glx gears is at 250... wat did you use? [20:28] hm. That was over ssh [20:28] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] if I walk downstairs and run glxgears from a console, it's steady around 830fps [20:29] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:29] probably running 'DISPLAY=:0 glxgears' in an ssh session, doesn't really use direct rendering [20:29] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-207-20.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:29] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:30] 4140 frames in 5.0 seconds = 827.959 FPS [20:30] bryson: what card have you actually got? [20:30] its a 345m igp ati [20:31] igp? [20:31] ya its one of those built into the motherboard [20:31] ah [20:32] i've tried using the dri snapshots but i keep getting an error saying that i need the latest kernel modules [20:32] here's the relevant section of my xorg.conf. Ignore the TV-related junk. [20:32] http://pastie.org/414784 [20:33] also see "man radeon"... unlike in the past, X video drivers actually have manpages now [20:33] X has the radeon driver already? [20:33] yeah [20:34] not sure whether it'd do you any good to use a later snapshot than what's in slack 12.2 [20:34] Action: NyteOwl scrunches his glx gears down real tiny and gets a gaillion fps :) [20:34] er gazillion [20:34] hmm the man pages says my cards supported [20:34] NyteOwl: I bet if you resize the window to one pixel it'll be blazing fast [20:35] 5850 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1169.854 FPS [20:35] Oh yeah :) [20:35] thumbs: what card/driver/etc is that from? [20:35] Urchlay: 8600MGT latest nvidia blob [20:35] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:36] brb [20:36] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:37] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:37] my other box has an nvidia card, but it's pretty old [20:38] @macavity thanks for your help. I got KDE 4.2 running under slackware-current now. [20:39] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [20:39] user26902 (n=user9237@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:39] superGear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Urchlay: RIVA? [20:40] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433194.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:41] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [20:41] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] Urchlay, you use that xorgconfig file in the graphics device section? [20:44] *yawn* [20:47] heres a crazy one i have for you linux gurus [20:47] Zak_ (n=Zak@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [20:47] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:47] i installed blender a while back, and drew some funky shapes in it, then deleted it. [20:48] changed some preferences in it too i might add [20:48] *yawn* [20:48] i added it again on the same os, and it was the same as i left it, meaning i had config files from the original [20:48] i just did a clean install and installed blender again, and still, its the same as it was the first time i screwed around in it [20:49] how is that possible? [20:49] did you recycle /home ? [20:49] becasue you didn't deletet the local config files in the suer directory [20:49] but i reformatted and installed the OS again. it should be a completely new system shouldn't it? [20:50] did you re-use the same /home ? [20:50] don't think i did. [20:50] i just popped in the live CD and re-installed [20:50] so everything should be completely new [20:50] Cotowar: you don't "think" you did? [20:51] so you're not even on slackware ? [20:51] no, im not [20:51] then who cares [20:51] Cotowar: what are you using? [20:51] lol [20:51] ubuntu 8.10 [20:51] unfortunately [20:51] Cotowar: ask #ubuntu [20:52] if you re-used your /home partition, the nof course the settings are saved. of course, using ubuntu, you really have no idea what you did, so it's tough to help you [20:52] i was in there, but they are rather rude. i prefer it here. its not a big deal as that was the only app to keep the old config file, and i never use it. [20:52] Cotowar: s/rude/idiots/ [20:53] bryson: yah [20:53] (sorry, was off getting coffee) [20:53] PS, i would be trying out slackware, but my freaking router is being homosexual and resets my connection every couple of minutes so i cant get the .iso [20:53] wget resume ftw [20:53] Cotowar: get the torrent, then? [20:53] Cotowar: take care - no offending statements allowed [20:53] oh, didnt even think of that [20:53] _arc_ (n=arc@85.17.165.5) left irc: Client Quit [20:53] my bad [20:54] ill get the torrent, thats a great idea [20:54] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-63-43.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [20:56] urchlay, for identifier i specify my card? [20:56] identifier is just a human-readable string that gets printed in the logs [20:56] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-170-028.mycingular.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:56] so you can make it your card, or "My Card", or "Mango Chutney" even... [20:57] ah, alright. I edit my xconfig, so now i just restart x and pray? [20:57] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-63-43.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] is the torrent on a mirror? or do i hav eto go to tpb? [20:58] Cotowar: there is no need for a mirror hen you use a torrent [20:58] bryson: or sacrifice a goat, whatever your belief is :) [20:58] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] slackware.com/torrents iirc [20:59] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [20:59] yea already got tit [20:59] alright thanks lol, let hope this works [20:59] bryson (n=bryson@96.240.45.172) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [20:59] does anyone know if ATT does bandwidth throttling? [20:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] for legal torrents? I hope not. [21:00] all my downloads are incredibly slow, i have a 100Mbit connection, and i'm getting 100kbit speeds max [21:00] if they throttle it would be everything as it's done by protocol not content [21:00] right [21:01] all my downloads are slow as crap regardless of protocol [21:01] that's soemthing else again heh [21:01] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-074-153.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Nick change: jiffypop -> frehleyfreak [21:01] dammit man [21:02] yea. ^ [21:03] offtopic: how does one make the hardware convert from assembly to binary? like i understand there are instruction sets that do this, but what are they written in? [21:03] It's callled an assembler. [21:04] See, no two machines use identical machine code. [21:04] right, but what is the assembler written in? it can't be assembly, otherwise it would need itself to understand itself. you know what i mean? [21:04] So, you have to run it through an assembler to get a runnable file. [21:04] And what's wrong with that? [21:05] it would have to already understand the conversion in order to do the conversion. its an infinite loop, like the chicken and the egg. [21:06] As an architecture is developed, the assembler for that architecture gets designed. [21:06] Everything else is bootstrapped off of that. [21:07] right, but that assembler has to be binary doesnt it? in order for the computer to understand it and thus be able to understand the code you throw at it [21:07] Not after the first bootstrap. [21:08] but that first one, how do they do it. thats what im getting at [21:08] did they use data cards? [21:08] Ask IBM. [21:08] lol [21:08] Ask Intel, or AMD, or Via. [21:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_(compilers) [21:09] They publish complete assembly manuals. [21:09] i was just thinking about that today. how do these letters get converted to electrical signals so that your computer may re-convert them to letters? [21:09] are you high? [21:09] nooper: haha [21:10] nah, just bored and lonely [21:10] ah [21:10] heres my situation. i moved from Chicago to the middle of nowhere NC, and i have no friends or entertainment here. i went from being busy all day to living on the internet all day. all i do is think [21:10] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.5.2) joined ##slackware. [21:11] what are your thoughts on porn [21:12] heh, well ive seen pretty much every vid aside from dudes going at it. i think its lost its luster. [21:12] Cotowar, if you have some extra cash set up a CB Radio Base station, i am sure you will find someone to talk to [21:12] lol [21:12] i do live by an interstate [21:12] man, forgive me but i had visions of spongebob and squidward following this conversation [21:12] hahaha [21:13] perfect! you can listen to the truckers tell dirty jokes and stuff like that [21:13] lol [21:13] string cans across the interstate. [21:14] what i want to do is save enough money to buy a computer that i can dedicate to programming. i know a few languages, but dont use it aside from classes i've taken. [21:14] if i had a computer like that with nothing but compilers/interpreters on it, im sure i could find things to do [21:15] Get involved in an open source project. [21:15] hey Cotowar, i'm moving this woman tomorrow from chicago to indiana...anyone ya want me to honk at while i'm down on illinois street ? [21:15] blah! computers are cool, but there is more to life than a damn PC [21:15] jkwood: wikipedia says they wrote the first ones for language X in language Y [21:15] http://imagebin.org/41181 some of my radios [21:16] You can do that, yes. [21:16] frehleyfreak: nah, im good. [21:16] most of the people i knew up there dont know me anymore [21:16] k, when i roll by nowhere NC, i'll toot the horn [21:16] Cotowar: What kind of programming interests you? [21:16] everything [21:17] i love everything about electronics. [21:17] Play any games? [21:17] i was thinking of building an automatic humidifier for my humidor today [21:17] not really, i used to do my PS2 a bit, but i beat all the games i have for it, and now im a poor college student [21:18] night folks [21:18] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:18] PS, i went to Iowa State, so i know what a real school is and what real work is. now im at community college. [21:18] How would you like to work on one? [21:18] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-71-168-139-251.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] hmm, depends, how complex is it? i cant do anything like crysis, but i could do something simple like solitare [21:18] bryson (n=bryson@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [21:19] I'm doing the dialog for a game called FreedroidRPG. It's an Isometric RPG similar to Diablo. [21:19] sooo... you're in North Carolina now, the east end of the bible belt, i hope you like redneck jesus freaks because you are surrounded by them [21:19] The engine is in C with Lua functions handling most of the content interaction. [21:19] bbiab [21:19] Pig_Pen: i noticed... [21:19] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Leaving" [21:19] We're looking for people who can help out. :) [21:20] i am smack dab in the middle of the bible belt, i am probably the only atheist in oklahoma [21:20] jkwood, i can't really help you. i dont know C or Lua sadly. I know Java, a little Fortran, VB.net, a little HTML, and I have a book on Ruby I've been meaning to tackle [21:20] Oh, Ruby is great. [21:21] Pig_Pen, thats how i feel. I'm like the only person who doesn't go to church every sunday. [21:21] Well, the Lua is dead simple, and C is pretty similar to Java, syntax-wise. [21:21] bryson (n=bryson@96.240.45.172) left irc: Client Quit [21:22] jkwood, how do i set up a ruby interpreter? the only reason i haven't done it is i dont know how to set up the libraries and crap like that. [21:22] Well, Slackware comes with Ruby in d/. [21:22] There's not a lot to it otherwise. [21:23] yea, still getting the torrent. i want an OS where there is nothing except what I absolutely need. [21:23] jkwood: do you have a webpage about freeroid? [21:23] Nick change: frehleyfreak -> jiffypop [21:23] man, i'm slow [21:23] http://freedroid.org [21:23] sounds like you would enjoy an Operating Systems class at a university [21:23] ubuntu has become WAY too bloated IMO. i've never tried any slackware based distros [21:23] nooper, i would [21:24] http://slaxer.com/chucks/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby.pdf [21:24] jkwood: thanks i'll take a look [21:24] ^^ Good stuff. Funny and pretty easy to follow. :) [21:24] once you get beyond the ubuntu thing and start learning other distros you will find out what Linux really is [21:24] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B084CAC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] and i would like to try writing my own kernel one day, but i dont know near enough about anything to attempt that yet. [21:25] speaking of the carolinas, i used to live in greenville, sc and took my daughters to see Kiss at the bi-lo center. the local pastor and his posse swore the earth would open and swallow us all [21:25] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] Pig_Pen, i've been on fedora and RHEL, and they were harder for me. fedora pissed me off because i couldnt use restricted codecs. [21:25] i would suggest you learn to build your own kernel from the existing source code at kernel.org and build other software then learn C and other computer languages then start writing your own source code [21:26] you gotta learn to walk before you can run, just dont give up and you will go far grasshopper [21:26] yea, im planning on doing it after i finish college. im in computer engineering, and once i get out of comm college and back to a real school i'll be set [21:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] partying screwed my life...lol [21:27] but yea, im getting there. i do a lot of reading on my own, random crap mostly. do you know of a prolog compiler for slackware? [21:27] Hey, don't let lack of formal instruction stop you. There's hundreds of good resources out there on the internet, and the best way to learn is to play with it. [21:27] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [21:28] Prolog... One second, here. [21:28] no, i am doing good just to build my own custom kernel & selected apps from source code [21:28] We're doing soemthing with that in one of my classes. [21:28] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) joined ##slackware. [21:28] id really like to do AI, OSes, and all manner of stuff. prolog is really interesting to me. i like the idea that you can make a computer make an interpretation of something [21:29] http://www.swi-prolog.org/ <-- That's what we're going to be using. [21:29] one of my business courses was business intelligence. it was about AI and databases [21:30] Not really a compiler, per se, but I don't know if one exists. [21:30] the thing is, im confident enough to attack the problems with linux, and would eventually like to fix them, get it more widespread, and f-ing crush M$ [21:30] Ah, I guess Prolog *is* compilable. http://www.gnu.org/software/gprolog/ [21:30] not gonna happen.. [21:31] The only thing right now that can crush MS is the EU and the US DoJ. [21:31] And really, it'd be more like ripping it to pieces. [21:31] But I digress. [21:31] and even that will only be maiming it [21:31] IDK, microsoft has lost a lot of people because of their policies [21:31] Cotowar: not really [21:32] go into any small business/ mom and pop place/strip mall store front and ask them if they run windows [21:32] Microsoft/Windows isnt going anywhere.. [21:32] i bet 99% do [21:32] same with coporate workstations [21:32] yep [21:32] bleah, didn't this topic get played to death last night? [21:32] Yes [21:32] i don't have a single client who uses linux [21:33] i know of a lot of linux servers. the thing is, its not that great of a desktop because you have to dick with everything to get it working right [21:33] they do indirectly though, i store backups on linux fileservers [21:33] god..id hate to run AD using Linux [21:33] lol [21:33] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.160.25) left irc: "leaving" [21:33] that was why Ubuntu went the direction they did. make it easier for people to use linux [21:34] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:35] I'd hate to run AD. But that's just me. [21:35] IDK, basically i just want to make a bunch of my ideas a reality, and improve the computing experience for the average person [21:36] also want to build a robot, but thats a side project that involves more than just computing. [21:36] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] jkwood: what exactly did you link me to with the SWI-Prolog? [21:37] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.74.98) left irc: "Leaving" [21:37] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-187-111.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:38] It's a complete Prolog development environment. [21:38] I'll probably have a SlackBuild available for it before long. I should look into that. [21:38] But for now, I have a meeting to get ready for, so it'll have to wait. [21:38] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.5.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:39] slackware doesnt use RPM's or Deb's does it. [21:40] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.111.2) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:40] no [21:40] so is it source only? [21:40] We use .tgz packages. [21:40] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] You're not likely to find many prebuilt for you, though. [21:40] its not source only [21:40] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.163.61) joined ##slackware. [21:41] youtube just keeps going down hill [21:41] juice: lol [21:41] and facebook for that matter [21:41] We use SlackBuilds (http://slackbuilds.org) which make it easy to create a Slackware package from a source archive. [21:41] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:42] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.58.235) left irc: "Leaving" [21:43] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:43] so basically the slackbuild is a package that someone made and uploaded to a repos? [21:43] hi Old_Fogie [21:43] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the channel. [21:43] :) [21:43] Action: MLanden waves back to Old_Fogie [21:44] Well, now, how about that... http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/swi-prolog-lite/ [21:44] Not quite. [21:44] Action: firebird619 waves hi to Old_Fogie [21:44] no, thats wrong. is it just a script that makes a package from source for you? [21:44] Yep. [21:44] I'm loading up slack --current into the vm (let's hope all's well :) [21:44] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) joined ##slackware. [21:44] okay [21:44] (Or from a binary tarball, or even an RPM every so often.) [21:44] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:45] I apparently don't need to write a SlackBuild after all, just modify one. [21:45] If it works well, gonna put it on one of my netbooks. [21:45] Oooo [21:45] How do you guys get so many computers? [21:45] Cotowar: yard sales (no joke really) [21:45] like seriously. I have my T61, and a 400MHz P2 in the closet [21:45] Action: nooper inherits old computers from family members [21:46] Vista antiquated alot of good computer's for me to play with :) [21:46] my T61 is nice and everything, but i wish i would have gotten a desktop [21:46] I have three computers at the moment. My dev lappy, my older lappy, and some P1 that I keep meaning to get going. [21:46] At my house, hmmm, got 9? not including netbooks :) [21:46] i was thinking of going to the recycling center and getting broken units to scrounge for parts [21:47] I accept donations of machines, but I don't get a lot of offers. [21:47] my biggest problem is getting the old BIOSes to recognize new hard drives [21:47] yea [21:47] I have have like 10 right her [21:47] e [21:47] only have one on though [21:47] Cotowar: yea that's the way to do it. Anything over 1ghz is *highly* every day computer user worthy so long as it's decent video card and hard drive performance. [21:48] And, ironically enough, KDE 4.2 runs on them darn skippily. [21:48] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [21:48] other_rafa (i=rafa@host193-123-47-78-dhcp.bshellz.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:48] yea, i want to get a few, maybe try building a cluster for giggles. [21:48] nooper: get an "ata 133/pci expansion card" from "Promise Technologies", Maxtor or Western Digital. I ?think? the chipsets are made by Promise, and maxtor and WD just license/resell them, but they are *incredible* performance boosters for old boxes. [21:48] right now im looking at buying one of these to play with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135100 [21:49] nooper: the ata/133 is backward compliant too, so if you only got ata 100 drive, you're ok. they cost only about 30 bux or so. [21:49] intel needs to make an adapter for LGA 775 to SECC [21:49] ah cool [21:49] lol [21:49] take care,folks...good luck in all life's endeavors..:D [21:49] i have a promise card [21:50] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:50] see ya [21:50] it works good [21:50] nooper: they're well beyond the worth of 30bux I find. [21:50] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) joined ##slackware. [21:50] I got mine for 20 off ebay about 4 years ago [21:50] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:50] never used a pci ide card. can it boot off of those? [21:50] that is what I need to figure out [21:50] nooper: most of the times yes. linux will typically see them as /dev/hde (in lieu of /dev/hda) for example. [21:50] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:51] if you have the card, you should just try it [21:51] I never got mine to see the drives in the bios, but the card might hav one [21:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Linux can boot off a can of peaches, given the right conditions. [21:51] I was trying to use just a single drive on the ide controller to install nix with no luck on my setup [21:51] but I forgot to look at the card bios to see if there was a setting I missed [21:52] some bioses see the ata cards as 'scsi/raid' ; I dont know why, they're not scsi raid, maybe the chips do that to trick the old bioses? I dont know. But I can vouch that these cards work on pc's as old as a p266 from dell. [21:52] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [21:52] nice [21:52] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] my dell here, a 266 has 2 of them cards, and four, 250 gig drives on them. [21:52] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:52] pacman87 (n=pacman87@resnet-46-40.dorm.utexas.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:52] no 8g barrier, no driver overlay crap, and they're running according to 'hdparm' at ata 133 speeds, they're very fast [21:54] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) left irc: "Leaving" [21:54] only thing that stinks is, that old dell, has a proprietary connector, so I dont get any 'blinken' lights to show HD activity. I havent had a chance to circuit trace it, and wire it up (on the todo list that'll never happen heh) [21:54] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:55] dremel and wire to the cards direct !! :) [21:55] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:55] elric_ (n=elric_@host101-184-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [21:55] :) [21:56] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [21:56] yeah, the wires for that dell, got darn near (15-20) 22 Ga. wires in that bundle, what a pain [21:56] yikes [21:56] lo [21:56] are they color coded at least? [21:57] nope, all white [21:57] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE5C32.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [21:57] ouch...lol [21:57] now you know why I been putting it off [21:57] that reminds me I need to figure out led wiring on a 2u box [21:57] _Elric_ (n=elric_@87.13.194.107) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:58] do you realize that ata/133 is almost as fast as sata in real life performance? [21:59] For optical drives maybe..and depends on if you have 2 drives on the IDE chain [21:59] sata 2 has a theoretical max throughput if 3GB/s, but doesnt run anywhere near that fast. [21:59] I know them ata/133 breathed new life into all my old boxes for sure [22:00] same goes for USB 2.0 [22:00] yeah, usb 2 is nice [22:00] wish i could say the same for web 2.0 [22:00] lol [22:00] semantic based searching in web 3.0 [22:01] i have yet to see a speed different from sata to sata2 [22:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0#Criticism [22:01] different= difference [22:01] a benchmark? or 'feel' it yourself you mean juice ? [22:01] I remember hearing about the semantic web BEFORE I heard of web 2.0 [22:01] its not, because they both run under the same principle [22:01] well with Bonnie++ [22:02] "semantic web" <-- Anything that sounds like it comes from the Norton people can't be good :) [22:02] the write speed seems to be the same with or without the jumper [22:02] sata 1 and 2 are going to look the same because the transfer speed is under sata 1 max throughput [22:02] making it 1.5 or 3.0 [22:02] juice: aha ok [22:02] I always wondered what the big deal about sata 2 speed was [22:02] however when there on a raid card versus on board they seem much faster [22:03] same goes for USB 2.0. max throughput is like 480MB/s, but actual performance is hardly that fast [22:03] maybe esata link to external raid would shine [22:03] heh [22:03] thats because you are not retrieving the same amount on a raid controller. it can run slower and appear faster [22:04] Cotowar: I have an external case for that fits an ata 133 hard drive in it, 7200 rpm; I dont know how to measure it with linux, but it's *so* fast for me to transfer partimage images which are 2 gig files, etc etc. [22:04] the USB 2 that is ^^ [22:04] you measure it in linux with a benchmark, such as bonnie++ [22:04] ah ok [22:04] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) joined ##slackware. [22:04] its faster than 1.1 for sure, but its not much compared to what its theoretical max is [22:05] ekat (i=ekat@timendi.causa.est.nescire.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Yeah Im really happy with linux's USB speeds, and reliability for copy/paste etc. I've yet to ever have a USB issue, device conflict like I'd get in widnows [22:05] ekat (i=ekat@timendi.causa.est.nescire.net) left ##slackware. [22:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:05] fastest ive ever seen over USB 2.0 hi-speed (read type B) is like 15MB/s but it should be 480 MB/s [22:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [22:06] I want to know why I cant get the max throughput on my devices [22:06] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:06] Well assuming midnight commander is correct, going from teh pc to drive I have, it says 25 mb. not sure if that's true or not tho. [22:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:07] hmmm.... [22:07] that's for a 2 gig file made by partimage. the drive in the external case is ata 166/7200 rpm. the external drive enclosure is a netdisk [22:07] i thought usb 2.0 was 480 megabits or is it megabytes? [22:07] cant think of company who makes it, but the brand is netdisk [22:07] bytes [22:08] cause Sata 2 is 3 GB, not Gb. [22:08] they measure it differently than networking connection speeds. [22:09] i was thinking of trying to build a microSD raid array for use as an OS drive. [22:10] I swear usb speed was bits making it about 60 MB max but going to see more like 40MB [22:10] a sec [22:10] even still, 25MB old_fogie just got and the 15MB i get is terrible [22:10] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:11] yeah but that is with nothing else sharing the bus either [22:11] its like my fricking downloads....im getting 100kB, when i have a 100Mb connection [22:11] heh [22:11] Cotowar: do you have fiber? [22:11] wireless is 54Mb, so it should be a little slower, but even on ethernet its slow as crap [22:11] yeah I cant get over 20-25 mbs on the lan here from one pc to another [22:12] Old_Fogie: SMB traffic? [22:12] IDK if its fiber or copper. just moved here and it was already in [22:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] all my cables are copper [22:12] at work I have 1Gbit it's nice [22:12] Cotowar: then I very much doubt you have a 100 mbit connection to your ISP. [22:12] I do, its DSL. [22:13] even less likely. [22:13] most copper pairs can only dream of running at 20 mbit. [22:13] unless your in N korea [22:13] thumbs: nfs seems twice as fast as samba, so I use nfs [22:13] Vdsl 52Mbit [22:13] Old_Fogie: good call. [22:13] 100mbit is not uncommon for dsl. i have ethernet in the house yea, but like i said, IDK what comes to the door. [22:13] "netdev" group what's this? [22:14] off to read C&H [22:14] Old_Fogie, tried samba with cifs? [22:14] Cotowar: I can tell you that your so called 100mbit is most likely 20mbit at its peak [22:14] Cotowar: run a bandwidth test one day [22:14] juice: yes still slow comparitively to nfs I find [22:14] k [22:14] Old_Fogie: what about scp? [22:14] int203 (n=adam@c-24-21-196-196.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:15] i will. all my computers say "connected at 100Mbit/s" when i connect [22:15] that's your connection to your... router. [22:15] =) [22:15] at work I have gotten up to 92000KB/sec on downloads from the internet [22:15] outside your router, you're MUCH slower. [22:15] yea, i know that. but the router is on the phone line [22:15] thats what DSL is... [22:16] it is like the external modems that would say they were connected at 115k [22:16] makes my 15mbit cable seems slow here at home [22:16] lol [22:16] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:16] they talked that on the serial port, but not over the phone line [22:16] Cotowar: so do yourself a favour, and run a speed test [22:16] my router is connected to a modem, which goes to an RJ-11 jcak in the wall [22:16] speedtest.net [22:16] 1 sec [22:19] hovering at 60kbps [22:19] shitty [22:19] haha. [22:19] up or down? [22:19] its going up to 110, and thats download [22:19] i know its terrible [22:19] you should upgrade to dialup. [22:20] but i am on a DSL connection, and my connection information says 54MB wireless, just like every other one [22:20] Cotowar: in case you didn't notice, it was a sarcastic response. [22:21] i know [22:21] im just saying, all my computers say that the connection speed is fast as hell, but its not. IDK. [22:21] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] is that speed to the router? [22:21] Anyone know what this 'oprofile' and 'netdev' group are? are they necessary, or it depends? [22:21] speedtest told you it was close to dialup speeds. There you go. [22:21] no [22:21] Nothing in C&H or upgrade.txt file as to why they're on board now [22:21] Old_Fogie: oprofile is for system profiling [22:22] the kernel supports all that [22:22] one can only move as fast as the slowest leg ;) [22:22] ok so no users in that [22:22] ? [22:22] is that from the router to their server? because then its the line outside my house, and i should call the ISP [22:22] Cotowar: yes, you should. [22:22] my intranet connection is fast, no doubt. but my internet is slow as shit [22:22] giuppy (n=giuppy@host38-165-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:23] and its super irritating [22:23] cotowar: do you live in the country? [22:23] yea [22:23] you might be on idsl [22:23] omzine (n=othermin@200.sub-70-193-248.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] ugh [22:23] space tubes :o [22:23] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:23] i should tell them i have a business and need T3 lines [22:23] every home dsl connection i've worked on in the country has been slow [22:24] Old_Fogie: i'm pretty sure you'll know when or if those groups are needed, if you need them ever [22:24] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] you might consider satellite [22:24] noooo [22:24] Old_Fogie: i left my user out of those groups for now [22:24] eww [22:24] satellite bad, mkay ? [22:24] yea ill never do sattelite [22:24] satellite is sooooooo slow [22:24] i know two people on satellite who get much better throughput than dsl [22:24] Old_Fogie: you jumped into -current did you? [22:24] nullboy: I suppose, I'd like it if comments were made about them tho. avoid any confusen [22:24] uber slow with insane latency [22:24] better than dialup but not worth the price [22:24] gah, confusion [22:24] though i could do it and use my DSL simultaneously, as Ubuntu supports that [22:24] Old_Fogie: after a clean install my system is working perfect [22:24] i mean downloads can be fast at times [22:24] nullboy: have it running in a vm now. if it's ok, I'm gonna put it on the acer [22:25] but webpage browsing is like dialup [22:25] from my experience with sat. [22:25] both of the people who have it have no other option [22:25] yea, its also based on the weather [22:25] Old_Fogie: stay away from ext4 for now even though it's in the installer [22:25] like andarius said latency is a pain [22:25] one of them could use dialup, the other is too remote even for a land line [22:25] Old_Fogie: there is a combined problem with ext4 nd powerloss/hardlocks + massive data loss [22:25] i spent 6 months on sat. ill tazer my nutts before i do that again [22:25] i read about a nasty bug in ext4 [22:25] nullboy: I used jfs. Af fist I was thinking of it, but then, I realized that this is vmware, so it might not support that [22:25] yea, i want to live in Japan, where they get optical to the door. [22:26] no matter how fast your line is the server you connect also has to be as fast or faster to see it :) [22:26] it's not entirely ext4's fault though [22:26] if not your back to fast connection but still access time [22:27] yea [22:27] slow access [22:27] what do they use inifiniband for? [22:27] is that just interconnect cable? [22:27] things like kde keep a 1.21 million little files open and ext4 defaults to a "push out to disk" setting of 60 seconds [22:27] hehe [22:28] oh good, windows styles work in this, I cant stand that default mac look [22:29] lol [22:29] i like the OG Win 95 gray and green [22:29] Old_Fogie: i'm forcing myself to use it in a more or less default setting, except i enabled shading with a double click on the title bar [22:29] nullboy: I still am siding against Ts'o on that one. [22:29] eviljames: really? [22:29] he takes some fault but not a lot [22:29] as least that's how i take his report [22:30] Oh the default widget style and border are just plain ugly to me. the kicker is nice lookign, but the window design, the combo/check boxes, just ugly to me. [22:30] nullboy: Well, kde, gnome etc. do push a lot of updates to tiny files. But that's the nature of the system. [22:30] eviljames: yeah [22:30] and there *still* is no left handed mouse cursor... what gives! [22:30] nullboy: Look at /etc, it is full of tiny text files. so are all system logs. [22:30] nullboy: That is, system logs are full of tiny writes. [22:30] eviljames: deep down i want to say think that the fs should never become apparent to the user [22:30] Left handers are weird republican types [22:30] othermindszine (n=othermin@159.sub-75-216-74.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] eviljames: i can see your point [22:31] MrHales: my dad's a south paw, I don't think he's a republican. [22:31] MrHales: I'm not republican, they're too liberal for me :) [22:31] Mine is and is [22:31] hahaha [22:31] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) joined ##slackware. [22:31] i'd ambi [22:31] hahaha [22:31] total mix [22:31] Old_Fogie: I felt the other day that I'd spent too much time knocking your guys [22:31] Old_Fogie: And that a day should be spent mocking my guys. [22:31] One cannot swap the mouse buttons? [22:31] lol [22:31] Old_Fogie: Do you know much of the Canadian Liberal party? [22:31] nope [22:31] I've never tried. [22:32] nullboy: It seems to me that he assessed the problem correctly for a certain domain, and doesn't want to rethink it. [22:32] nullboy: I don't want to knock the guy's work though. afaict he's a genius and an amazing contributor. [22:33] eviljames: well he looks at it from the standpoint of the filesystem itself and the performance hit that ext3 takes with the often out to disk writes [22:33] the other side is the fact that somethings write out a lot and keep a lot of little things open [22:33] like your logging example [22:34] nullboy: I gotta tell ya tho, xfce is more my style. I truly doubt I'll use this KDE4 tho. It's just way to involved for me. hopefully I can dumb it down enuff for my wife to use to do her photos, and browse the lan on nfs and not complain (as she did in kde 3.5.X) and I wont need to build _all_ of gnome. But really this kde just aint my thing tho. [22:35] The rub is the /home folder. It is a mixture of tiny files (.folders) and in some cases relatively large files (your porn collction) [22:35] nullboy: How do you write a file system for both? [22:35] eviljames: that's the holy grail [22:35] (aka ZFS) [22:35] ;) [22:35] eviljames: i am sure ntfs does the trick for many people [22:35] pi31415: I'd bet it does, but I don't imagine they're Theodore Ts'o's target market. [22:35] anyone has multiple wesnoth versions installed at the same time? [22:36] that's what they strive for in a desktop FS, balance performance against stability under all conditions, including powerloss [22:36] it's tough [22:36] nullboy: The power loss seems very simple to me: transactional. [22:36] like sql [22:36] nullboy: It either commits 100% or 0%. Binary, man. [22:37] as long as you have some sort of advanced journal that can work [22:37] what happens when the system looses power before the transaction completes 100% and before at least the journal is writte? [22:37] n [22:38] then nothing was done to begin with [22:38] so you're not out [22:38] Cotowar: precisely. [22:38] you hope it works that way or you get an orphan [22:38] 100 or 0. The transaction doesn't close with the journal in the process of being written. [22:38] exactly [22:38] If the transaction doesn't close before power loss, it never happened in the first place. [22:38] i don't know the names but wasn't there a few FS's that work like a transaction systrem? [22:38] ZFS [22:39] we don't get zfs do we? [22:39] the whole idea is to write a journal so that the actual file transfer doesnt take place without a backup [22:39] Well, I do. [22:39] You can have it too. [22:39] Just not on Linux because they don't want to accept CDDL code. [22:39] damn. [22:39] will you give it to me eviljames? :) [22:39] Licenses are the problem in this case. [22:39] Cotowar: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/ [22:39] haha [22:39] ouch [22:39] cddl her? i 'ardly know her! [22:40] Cotowar: alternatively http://www.freebsd.org/ [22:40] lol [22:40] spook_: i'll cuddle strangers [22:40] Cotowar: but FreeBSD's implementation (while good) is 8 versions behind OpenSolaris' [22:40] never even looked at solaris [22:40] as long as she smells nice [22:40] haha [22:40] Action: eviljames high fives nullboy on that one. [22:40] so long as i dont get daemons from it [22:40] Nope, svcs instead. [22:41] Action: eviljames goes unix on your ass.. [22:41] k, I'll stop with the spam on that one though. [22:41] theres no cure once you get that right? [22:41] haha, NONE. [22:41] hey spook...nice to see ya. i gotta reboot but i'll be back shortly should you have any homicidal thoughts [22:41] does it itch? [22:41] Action: spook_ arms the orbital ion cannon network [22:41] jiffypop: I don't know why but that gave me a good chuckle. [22:41] lol [22:42] lol [22:42] lol [22:42] Nick change: spook_ -> spook [22:42] ccccombobreaker [22:42] you broke the chain you fail! [22:42] what are the rules for nicks? [22:42] i want to see 272 lol's in a row [22:42] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol [22:43] lol\ [22:43] lo [22:43] .... [22:43] fail [22:43] lol! [22:43] lol [22:43] CCCCCOMBOBREAK [22:43] ER [22:43] oh crap it's an op [22:43] what the hell is wrong with you? [22:43] spook: I was just going there. [22:43] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-074-153.mycingular.net) left irc: "lol" [22:43] nachox: Just doin' it for the lulz [22:43] lol? [22:43] fun [22:43] Action: jkwood whistles innocently [22:44] nachox: we loooove you. [22:44] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.71.71) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:44] anyone have any experience with this board under linux? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121342 [22:45] Old_Fogie: no? Don't want to share a laugh with me about the incompetant liberals in Canada? It's fun, we chose a hilarious frenchie goofball who got eaten alive by the Conservatives! [22:45] nachox: better question is what is right with them ... ;) [22:45] andarius, probably shorter, yes [22:45] andarius: In my case, lots on both counts! [22:45] eviljames: I actually gotta run, bbiab [22:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:45] aww, too bad. [22:45] Cotowar: yes, i have, it works exactly 93% of the time, usually causes a kernel panic the 3rd thursday of every month [22:46] Spook: crap, thats the biggest workload day for me. [22:46] Cotowar: did you not get my sarcasm [22:46] Wee (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] spook: yes i did. i want a media PC [22:47] Nick change: Cotowar -> flesh_boiler [22:47] that's cute, atom motherboards [22:47] :) [22:47] just get normal stuff [22:47] no space [22:47] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.71.71) joined ##slackware. [22:48] for a media pc, probally go with microatx. [22:48] decent price too [22:48] phenom would be a good price [22:48] well, i have space, but the only mATX case I've found to fit is a Lian Li, and I dont have that kind of money [22:49] the dimensions are wrong for computer cases... ): [22:49] silverstone have very good mATX cases [22:49] have a look at... [22:49] have to be under 15 inches deep [22:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] which is a good filesystem for /tmp ? [22:50] i was a dumb dumb when i built my entertainment center, and didn't ever think i would put a computer in it. [22:50] GoodFS [22:50] Nick change: flesh_boiler -> your_mom [22:50] Action: your_mom wants a booty call [22:51] Nick change: your_mom -> Cotowar [22:51] okay, enough with that [22:51] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:52] http://spooksoftware.com/photos [22:52] thats a silverstone case. [22:52] mATX [22:53] dude wtf [22:53] 2048x1530 [22:53] ? [22:53] AND IT WAS A PICTURE OF THE BOX OF THE CASE?! [22:53] you shouldn't have shrank the image. [22:53] ... still downloading ... [22:54] I mean, give us the original resolution, please [22:54] Cotowar, ? [22:54] yeah, no doubt. [22:54] 2048x1530? i can see it fine... [22:54] its not that big for me... [22:54] uh, you mean despite it being auto-scaled in firefox? [22:55] it needs to be 4096x3060, clearly. [22:55] lol [22:55] Well, at least. [22:55] i prefer 48x48 so I can make it an icon [22:55] But what's that like, using an 8MP camera? Can we go to a 12? [22:55] those are the raw photos [22:56] i'm planning to make a forum post for which i'll downscale them [22:56] spook, that site is omg slow [22:56] What's the make & model, I'll google it. [22:56] they got anything LP? [22:56] edman007: its my home connection, 1mbit up. [22:56] spook, well i'm going to make your modem fry [22:56] I can see the speckle on the motherboard. There is a tiny chip there. [22:56] check the metadata in the photo [22:56] edman007: If I help does it qualify as a DDoS? [22:57] wow, I can even see a spot of dust. [22:57] im looking for something to blend in with my stereo, but it cant be standard sized [22:57] considering that the link will be saturated long before you can take down my firewall box [22:57] and the modem is in passthrough mode. [22:57] eviljames, we can hope [22:57] what is everyone's screen res? just curious? [22:58] I'll never tell, I was just griping about it in another channel. [22:58] lol [22:58] 1280x1024x2 [22:58] spook, nonsense, the mention my name makes modems sweat, i have to have a watercooled modem because people use my name so much when i use it [22:58] Action: eviljames has small resolution syndrome [22:58] 01:00 Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 2720 x [22:58] without a watercooled modem it will catch fire [22:58] edman007: heh, its a netcomm modem. they are pretty damn good [22:59] go all out, get a vapor cooler [22:59] yea, but they all get hot when i use em [22:59] 1440 x 900 [22:59] im at 1680 x 1050 atm [22:59] --- Ping reply from spook : 0.95 second(s) [22:59] you are lagging pretty good right now [22:59] hahaha [23:00] my external goes to 1280 x 1024 but its my TV too [23:00] i was at 4480x1050 last summer [23:00] Hopefully I can actually see a picture of this darned case. [23:00] Why does this site keep slowing down for me? [23:00] pacman87, so...wanna swap? [23:00] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] edman007: yeah i'd rather you not flood my link thanks :) [23:00] eviljames, because we have maxed his connection [23:00] i'm perfectly capable of doing that myself. [23:01] spook, i'm just downloading all pics [23:01] edman007: lol, one LCD center and two flanking CRTs [23:01] still waiting... [23:01] edman007: I probably shouldn't have opened each pic in a separate tab then, eh? [23:01] they are pretty big [23:01] eviljames: hah [23:01] eviljames, thats what i did [23:01] and its why he is lagging, two people did that [23:01] so did I [23:01] maybe more [23:01] i should do it too [23:01] :P [23:01] gogogo [23:02] going going going~ [23:02] lol, his page wont even open [23:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:02] thats it, no more http for you [23:03] noooooo [23:03] haha [23:03] I stopped a second ago. [23:03] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:03] :( [23:03] spook, you put an off board rtl81389 in that?!? [23:03] huh? [23:03] the rtl8139 failed two weeks ago. [23:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "Looks around for terminal..." [23:03] haha [23:04] well its and old chip [23:04] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:04] that machine wasnt for me :) [23:04] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] funny to see pics with it in a new system, since they all have onboard gigE now [23:04] Nick change: Raphael_S -> sadsd [23:04] Nick change: sadsd -> Raphael_S [23:04] did you notice the extra gige card? [23:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] I don't really see the need for gigabit ethernet. I mean, I've only got a gig of ram anyway1 [23:05] lol [23:05] i can't identify with what has loaded right now [23:05] well you wont be loading anything for a while [23:05] get cat6a 10Gb ethernet [23:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Maybe I will. Will it duplex my QPI? [23:06] dont know [23:06] my laptop even has gigabit now [23:06] never seen anything that can handle cat6a [23:06] Action: eviljames feels like such a luddite [23:06] does cat6a even exist? [23:06] btw, whats the difference between cat 5 and cat 6 cable? [23:06] my home server has a dual port intel server card too [23:06] or is the nsa keeping it secret [23:06] Cotowar: The category. [23:06] yea, but it has to be really short [23:06] i think a few sell what they call cat7 [23:06] right, but you can use a cat 5 cable in a gigabit connection? [23:06] spook, i got a whole spool of cat6 [23:07] cat6 has more shielding [23:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_7_cable [23:07] Cotowar: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cat+6+cable [23:07] Cotowar: well, the pairs are twisted at different rates, and theres a plastic "+" core going down the middle seperating the 4 pairs [23:07] cat5e supports some gig links [23:07] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-129-200.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] theres a real answer [23:07] cat5 will do gigabit [23:07] thank you [23:07] you just might get more interference [23:07] andarius, 5e is ok for gigE, 5 is no, 6 will do 10gig iirc [23:07] thats what i thought [23:08] Action: andarius said 5e ... :P [23:08] my place it wired with vertical and horizontal cat5e and it does gigabit fine [23:08] Action: andarius slaps edman007 [23:08] Action: edman007 bites andarius [23:08] the biggest issue is operating systems that don't support jumbo frames properly [23:08] 5e is plenty for most gig links. [23:08] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) left irc: "bbl" [23:08] edman007, how can 5 not handle gigabit? its the same wiring as 5e and 6 [23:08] the way to go is 10K-BaseFX, with multiplexing [23:09] 5 != 5e [23:09] shielding is the only difference i think [23:09] Cotowar, different ratings [23:09] i know its not [23:09] or people buy a piece of crap switch that claims gigabit but doesn't do jumbo frames [23:09] then the switch ruins the deal [23:09] aye [23:09] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [23:09] jumbo frames are overrated. [23:09] but if all end nodes support it why let the switch = fail [23:09] so are you saying the copper is lesser quality or something? all i can see is shielding being the factor [23:09] Jumbo shrimp, on the other hand, are delectable. [23:10] sheilding and cross channel is very important at high rates [23:10] Cotowar: it's the shielding [23:10] yea, so i could technically cut open a 5 cable, twist it differently, and wrap brass mesh over it and make my own cat 6? [23:10] Cotowar: more materials new production processes blah blah [23:10] jumbo frames doesnt let you replicated an oracle database any faster. [23:10] Cotowar: no. [23:11] you'll almost certainly ruin the cable lol [23:11] Cotowar: shielding is different, need a plastic core down the middle to seperate the pairs, and need machine precision twisting on the pairs [23:11] Cotowar: also, each pair is twisted slightly differently in cat6 [23:12] shielding is metal. its a faraday cage basically [23:12] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Cat7.jpg [23:12] sigh [23:12] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:12] Cotowar, Cat5/5e/6 is a reference to the attenuation you will see on it when you pass a high frequency signal through it [23:12] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] just use 10000Base-FX with multiplexing and be done [23:12] i understand what youre saying about the twisting though [23:12] the higher the number the more MHz you can put in one and and read it on the other end [23:12] i prefer fiber channel though [23:13] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:13] :) then i dont get interference, and cant be vampire tapped [23:13] the they differ in how they are constructed, since a high freq requires better construction [23:13] 64 channel multiplexing! [23:13] Cotowar, they can be tapped [23:13] though its very difficult [23:13] i tapped your mum [23:13] true. [23:14] shes dead. [23:14] ccccooombobbreaker [23:14] spook, and your mom won't be able to come home tonight (can't walk, lol), so she said you have to do your own laundry [23:14] spook: lolz, JK [23:14] s/tapped/capped/ [23:14] edman007: irony that she has MS [23:15] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] thats how i like em [23:15] neurotic and nagging? [23:15] hahahaha! [23:15] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [23:15] lol [23:15] wow, whos mom are we talking about here? [23:15] spook just described mine, thts for sure [23:16] thats mine too [23:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:50] slackboy joined ##slackware. [23:50] free time [23:50] Cotowar: that's the right way to do it.. learn work sucks early.. fail at school cuz work sucks.. work another shitty job until you realize you need school just to stay sane.. [23:50] slackboy: O rly? [23:50] Cotowar: At 22 I moved into a new house with some friends who all work out in the oil patch. [23:50] nah, id rather be successful. i have free time but no friends, and im in community college, which is lower level than my high school [23:51] Cotowar: so you go back to school at 25+ get your degree and then just stick around for a masters and maybe a PHD cuz you really don't want another job :) [23:51] Cotowar: One of them got hurt and got a year of worker's compensation. He told me we were goin to spend that entire year drunk as he got his 80g's for "healing". It was awesome. [23:51] Wescotte: That's right where I'm at, going back to school at 25+ ;) [23:51] you guys can read me like a book <3 [23:51] Man, I want the PHD just so I can Learn [23:51] eviljames: how many pages is it? [23:51] I returned to school at 27 and should be done in another year.. getting my CS degree and a MFA in Film [23:51] I want to know everything there is to know about this stuff [23:51] Action: jkwood is technically still going to school at 25 [23:52] schooling in the mid-twenties is the new black. [23:52] Action: Wescotte feels hip :) [23:52] i'll be in school until at least 30 [23:52] it kinda sucks how we spend almost half our lifes in school [23:52] i have another year and a half at comm college, and then i go to the Uni for 3 years, then 2 more for a masters [23:52] Cotowar: Me too. I'm about 50% of the way through a math/compsci double major already, but I'm working towards going back for the M.Sc Math... gonna be a while 'till I'm out. [23:53] yea man, i hear that [23:53] eh I'd stay in school my entire life vs work at some stupid job that makes worthless crap [23:53] Wescotte: I work at a stupid job that makes worthless crap. Truly. That's how I pay for school. [23:53] i tried a double major of computer and software engineering with a minor in history and business as a freshman [23:53] I'd love to take more math but I fucking suck at it [23:53] Wescotte: except for the part where you don't get paid [23:53] 19 credit hours of programming, calculus, and physics [23:53] eviljames: nope.. you live at home and get loans/grants [23:54] aceofspades19: government aid [23:54] im in community college, which is lower level than my high school <-- don't know what you're talking about, and why this notion exists that community colleges are somehow just "inferior" - as someone said, to get laid and smoke pot, you attend a univ,. to get serious education, you go to community college. I personally like comm. colleges because of small class sizes, as opposed to, you know, 500-student lecture halls [23:54] I did the work+school and I just never could handle it.. I sucked it up and moved back in w/ the folks.. no rent.. grants/loans and I can live pretty comfortable [23:54] placee: My gf's in the local community college, I think you're pretty well right about most of that. [23:54] they are. i have learned nothing in my classes thus far. i learned more in my high school to be completely honest [23:55] community colleges are key units. [23:55] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve19-2-0-cust712.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:55] Heh... you said "unit". [23:55] placee: But the community college is more specialized/application than general theory that a university education provides. [23:55] i was looking forward to a challenge, right now im full time and have yet to have homework all years [23:55] young slackers rule......jeez you guys make me feel ancient. I'll be retiring in 6-7 years. [23:55] haha [23:55] lol [23:55] hitest: Congrats man. [23:55] hitest: can I have your old job? [23:55] :) [23:55] sure [23:55] I think I'll be ready to work in 6-7 years [23:55] hitest: careful on the stairs. hips are fragile [23:55] lol [23:56] oh, and the gas pedal is the one on the right [23:56] although you might not be able to retire in 6-7 :) [23:56] work for what? what area? [23:56] eviljames, if sparse theory knocks your pants off, there's courseware.. and many more lectures from ivy league universities just floating all around the web these days. [23:57] placee: I know I spend altogether too much time watching them :S [23:57] hitest, i'll be graduating in 2 months [23:57] Wee (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:57] yeah......true enough. I may not be able to retire.....gotta pay for my kids college education [23:57] no you dont [23:57] make them do it [23:57] placee: Getting lectures from the profs at MIT, Harvard, Berkley, etc. for FREE? Why am I spending all this money on getting a dumb piece of paper? [23:57] thats what my mommy and daddy did [23:57] yeah [23:57] s/make/help/ [23:57] lol [23:57] W|GGL|T (n=all@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [23:57] W|GGL|T (n=all@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] You pay some, they pay some. Make them take ownership or they'll just jerk around like I did my first time in University.\ [23:58] well, my parents paid for freshman year, after i blew that, i owe them $35k, and have to do the rest myself [23:58] eviljames: i wish my parents did that [23:58] oh snap, I forgot how expensive higher education was in the states. [23:58] lol [23:58] yea [23:59] i get $95 a week stocking shelves [23:59] eviljames, that dumb piece of paper is a proof that you have the patience/mind/rigor to endure 4 years of bs/slavework/etc. ;) [23:59] W|GGL|T (n=all@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [23:59] higher education in the states isn't toooo bad, if you're smart about it. :) [23:59] I went through business school and minored in information tech. [23:59] lol [23:59] yes......true enough. I'll try my best to pay for their education. I can't afford this shit [23:59] I'll be able to get my degree under 10g's from a world renowned university [23:59] aha [23:59] the bot went down [23:59] ##slackware: mode change '+o W|GGL|T' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:59] hitest: sell drugs [23:59] LOL [23:59] oh wow. [00:00] --- Fri Mar 13 2009