[00:00] dartmouth: try the open source drivers? [00:00] so does 9.11, 9.12, and 10.1; all tested on slackware, ubuntu, fedora, et al [00:00] no i didnt [00:00] i wouldn't know how to to be honest [00:01] dartmouth: if you don't install the fglrx ones chances are it's just going to use the open source ones for you :) [00:01] that is not what's happening [00:01] perfect_circle (~skalkoto@ppp079166002070.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:02] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable""). [00:02] i cant even get vesa to be legible [00:02] dartmouth: when does it hardlock btw? when X starts? [00:02] antler: diff -u fileb filea > patchfile; patch -p1 < patchfile (backup yourstuff in case it doesn't give the intended results). [00:02] yes between the time X starts and before its first sync so there is no log [00:03] dartmouth: you sure the card works? try it in windows and it functions? [00:03] yes it works in windows [00:03] antler: http://stephenjungels.com/jungels.net/articles/diff-patch-ten-minutes.html [00:03] k [00:03] flawlessly [00:04] I have a 5750 and it works (well worked) with fglrx just fine.. [00:04] it just died on me recently :) but it's a no video on boot problem not hardlock [00:05] i think the 5750 and the 5770 are more different than the model would suggest if i remember what i read many months ago and didn't retain [00:05] *model number [00:05] possibly.. [00:06] but I think it's a Sapphire chip.. [00:06] as well.. [00:06] Codenamed Juniper, the Radeon HD 5700 series was announced on October 13, 2009. Products included Radeon HD 5750 and Radeon HD 5770. [00:07] mine is a sapphire [00:07] The Radeon HD 5770 has 800 stream cores, while the Radeon HD 5750 has 720 stream cores, as a result of product binning. The 5770 series has a 128-bit bus width, as opposed to the 5800 series, which has a 256-bit bus width. [00:07] agentc0re: it's actually slightly more complex than what i've described. i need to specify for every line L, if L is blank then delete every line before L save the two lines that follow the previous blank line (if any) AND copy the next two lines after L. [00:07] mine's cubiczerconia [00:07] i am gonna junk this sucker in a few weeks i think [00:08] mail it to someone i dont like [00:08] antler: ah, withholding the juicy information are we? ;) [00:08] agentc0re: man if that even makes sense what i want to do :P [00:08] hahaha [00:08] antler: not really. i think i'd need a short example of two files. [00:09] antler: awk '{if(NR==FNR){a[i++]=$0}else{b[j++]=$0}}END{for(n=0;n antler: so write a program to do it [00:09] where int1 and int2 are the two files [00:09] Action: antiwire dies [00:10] antiwire: that works [00:10] Action: chatter humps SiegeX [00:11] agentc0re: line 1 of file A: 1 ; line 1 of file B: 1 ; line 2 of file A: some numerical data ; line 2 of file B: different numerical data ; line 3 of file A: some text ; line 3 of file B: different text. i'd lide to keep lines 1 and 2 of file B and replace line 3 from B's with A's. [00:11] SiegeX: doooood [00:11] i think it works [00:12] expect no less =) [00:12] maniac. [00:12] but if one of the files has blanks like he said, does it still work? [00:12] nope [00:13] gimme two sample files on pastebin [00:13] and ill make it work [00:13] needs a first pass to remove blanks [00:13] *but* line 4 (from A or B) might or might not be blank. if it's blank, then go to the next line in B, copy it, go to the following line in B, copy it. [00:13] SiegeX: heh, that's what i was after. [00:13] antler: sample files. :P [00:13] antler: gimme worst case of two file and what you expect [00:13] someday we'll have AI or some sorta smart text editor/parser where you can just demo what you want it to do and it does it.. I can't wait for that day [00:14] k, one sec [00:14] but if everything from B needs to be in A, why not copy B over A? :D [00:14] Wescotte: it's called #bash #sed and #awk [00:14] SiegeX: heh.. True they are helpful but not quite what I'm looking for :) [00:14] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:15] Action: SiegeX *sings* #bash,#sed, and #awk are the three best friends anybody can have, the three best friends that anybody can have, oh the three best friends that anybody can have, and we'll never ever ever ever ever leave eachother [00:15] does this shit load for anyone? http://www.codemaestro.com/reviews/9 [00:15] Wescotte: we could call the new overlord Skynet. [00:15] does anyone else have the issue with adobe's flash plugin where after having firefox open for several hours (or any browser), the sound stops working properly? [00:15] SiegeX: you are a truly disturbed individual to be that adept with awk/sed/sumaritan [00:15] amazon10x: that's just how it works [00:15] agentc0re: the first AI will no doubt be named skynet :) [00:15] awk is nice [00:16] never used awk [00:16] http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/8/ that works [00:16] i never got around to learning perl, i just stopped with awk [00:16] dartmouth (~dartmouth@pool-72-65-97-196.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:17] SiegeX, agentc0re: http://pastebin.ca/1835038 [00:17] i'd like to get rid of all those chinese characters and replace them with english :) [00:17] antler: and the result? [00:18] ahh, .srt files [00:18] that's the result i want: to replace the chinese with the english :P [00:18] antler: but only that. right? [00:18] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.19.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:19] the timing is right in the chinese srt but the language is all wrong (for me). [00:19] agentc0re: yeah, just that. i started to copy and paste. stopped at line 17. :P [00:19] antiwire: are you serious? it's like this for everyone? [00:20] antler: how many lines? [00:20] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] amazon10x: dont use flash except when neccesarry [00:20] notepad says 5221 [00:20] agentc0re^^ [00:21] oh ya... forgot you mentioned that. sorry. [00:22] chatter (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-fvghvgukyrkqojfe) left irc: Quit: Page closed [00:24] stuart (~stuart@115.135.231.82) joined ##slackware. [00:25] antler: Hey stranger, how's it going? [00:25] y0 Rat409 [00:25] hey fire|bird , how goes it? [00:25] fire|bird! good, man. how you doing? :) [00:25] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:25] Rat409: great, thanks. you? [00:25] good thanks,bored but good :P [00:26] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [00:26] antler: doing great, thanks. :) [00:28] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:28] guys... never buy dvds in chinatown. [00:29] lol [00:30] guys... never buy dvds from antler. [00:30] lmao [00:30] fire|bird: ++ :) [00:30] :) [00:30] hahaha [00:30] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.19.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:30] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:31] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] antler: ok this is super ugly [00:33] awk '{if(NR==FNR){a[i++]=$0}else{b[j++]=$0}}END{n=0;while(n nice :) [00:33] hmm wait [00:33] SiegeX: man, are you even human? [00:33] that doesn't print the blank lines [00:33] hold on =) [00:34] holy shit man [00:34] close though, right? [00:34] SiegeX: that makes as much sense to me as the chinese srt does :P [00:36] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [00:37] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-83.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [00:37] does slackware work with broadcom wifi cards? [00:37] because i wanted to try other distros and they don't seem to work [00:37] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:39] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] mine does using ndiswrapper or the static-hybrid from broadcom.com. imagine the wireless compat pkg from linux wireless might mines a 4311 (rev 02) [00:41] thanks SiegeX agentc0re :) [00:42] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] i'm using 13.0 with stock smp kernel,not --current [00:44] fire|bird: anything new? trying/tried any new distros? [00:45] antler: Not a whole lot new, I used openSUSE for a while, maybe couple months or so, had slack in a VM and on a spare hdd. [00:46] how is opensuse? [00:47] Rat409, so just install normal slackware 13, then ndiswrapper the .inf files? [00:47] that's it? [00:47] cbpye1 (Administr@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:47] dartmouth (~dartmouth@pool-72-65-97-196.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] ugh ndiswrapepr is my :( [00:48] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Quit: 42 [00:48] altho once you get it workign it does work wella ltho first time i tried getting it to work with slack12.2 i had a hallofatime [00:48] i need to do something stupid. i have no money for about a week or so and need to test something. on an AMD Athlon 64 chip running slackware 13 with no X11, how long do I have before something burns out without thermal compound? [00:48] antler: http://codepad.org/QvVeYt5s [00:49] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [00:49] what took me so long was the fact that your file B with chinese letters didnt have a '-' for the 101 text [00:49] this script breaks unless each text you want to replace is prefixed with '-' [00:49] antler: In my experience with it (had it on both the laptop and desktop) it was quite nice, tbh I was very impressed with it, very stable, reliable, well integrated (especially KDE), I liked it a lot. There were things I missed with slack, building anything and everything I want to try, etc. (which granted I could have done on there too, just didn't) etc. but I was quite happy with it, I used it for the entire KDE 4.4 dev cycle and openSU [00:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:51] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:51] any idea on the uptime of an amd athlon 64 cpu without thermal compound before burning out? [00:51] (has fan, does not have thermal compound) [00:51] you do realize what thats for don't you [00:52] yes, and i know, its stupid [00:52] i just need to know how long to have it up before pulling the plug [00:52] who can say [00:52] someone in this channel [00:52] i doubt it [00:52] The answer is 42. [00:52] seconds? [00:52] minutes? [00:52] they all have different thermal tolerances and don't have thermal shutdowns [00:53] No, just 42 [00:53] yeah i know [00:53] i'll say this, the damage isn't reverseable [00:53] yeah my mom said that too about something else a while back lol [00:53] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:54] the whole point is to enable a solid thermal contact between the heatsink and the die [00:54] without it, it will quickly burn up [00:54] is there anything that will serve as a temporary fix for about a week? [00:54] uptime: approx 7 days [00:55] toothpaste? [00:55] Peanut butter [00:55] not that i know of, you need to just go out to the store and grab some [00:55] its only a couple of bucks [00:55] and it won't run for days thats for sure [00:55] i dont have a couple of bucks lol [00:55] you need a couple of bucks [00:55] being poor is a bad time to be foolish too [00:55] there's got to be something to rig this up with [00:55] Indeed. [00:56] maybe i could scrape the thermal compound off something else [00:56] i think thats how i built this machine [00:56] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [00:56] if its dried it won't conform and you'll still have air gaps and hot spots [00:56] i didnt realize it dried [00:57] ive never seen it dry [00:57] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:57] yeah it will get hard and crumbly [00:57] sometimes flake away [00:58] you're gonna have to bum some money or borrow some [00:58] know anyone else who puts together computers, they're bound to have a tube lying around [01:00] I put computers together, but it's been a while and I'd have to stop by the other office to get some compound [01:00] however, I know someone that sells single-use compound tubes :) [01:00] i bet theres one on your desk in the pile somewhere [01:01] not at this office [01:01] and don't tell me there isn't a pile on your desk [01:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:01] didn't say there wasn't a pile - just not compound :) [01:01] hehe [01:02] however, I did get about 11 boxes of drives RMA'ed back to seagate and fujitsu, so the drive pile is down to about 30 drives left to RMS [01:02] RMA [01:02] i've had 2 tubes for about 10 years now and i haven't opened the 2nd one yet [01:03] i tend to build machine in bunches but you can prolly build 100 pcs with a single tube of compound [01:05] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [01:08] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [01:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Hi, Thomas. I'm John. [01:10] fire|bird: you still run it? [01:10] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-79-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:10] Bugz__ (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@75.42.79.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:11] antler: atm, no, but I'd like to get it installed again on something, I do really like it. :P [01:12] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.110) joined ##slackware. [01:13] Action: alreadygone waves [01:15] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [01:16] stuart yes sorry,had to do something was downstairs [01:16] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:16] should i use a swap file or partition? [01:18] stuart: i installed sbopkg,installed ndiswrapper via that,slackbuilds.org [01:18] fire|bird: i think i tried it when it was 9 or 10 or somewhere around there. i remember it being the only distro (i tried at the time) that gave me beryl with my old ati 1600 [01:19] Rat409, and then extract the driver and ndiswraper .inf file that's it seriously? i don't believe it's that easy [01:19] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] LTL2h (~LTL2h_@AToulouse-258-1-60-100.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:21] antler: cool, it's at 11.2 right now, 11.3 due out in July, it's a great distro, I have my own repo with it on the build service, nothing there though, and I also created my own custom live cd with Build Studio, and it has so many repos to get just about anything, which was great for a tinkerer like me. :P [01:21] fire|bird: i always knew you were a tinker fairy :P [01:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:22] haha [01:23] antler: If I had the space and hardware, I would probably have several distros installed. VM's work great for some, but you can run out of space quickly with those. [01:24] fire|bird: have you tried mint? i put it on for my wife a while ago. i really liked it. it was pretty. :D [01:25] lol, yeah, I've gave mint a spin in the past. [01:25] stuart: this is better for my bcm4311 rev02 http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/broadcom-sta/ [01:26] mine is rev01 [01:26] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:27] stuart: the info blurb is here http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [01:27] b43 was fail for me [01:29] ndiswrapper with xp driver works on mine,vista driver fails,or that linux_sta works also. [01:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:31] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:32] fire|bird: i would like a large room with about 10 modern computers [01:32] indeed [01:32] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:33] antler: only 10? ;) [01:33] don't really know what i'd use them all for, but the idea is kinda nice :P [01:33] BP{k}: hahah [01:34] antler: hehe, *IF* we ever win the lottery, kethry has said I can design the computer room in the house to my perfect specifications, only if she gets to do wthe same with the kitchen. :) [01:35] stuart: you'll need the b43 firmware,b43fwcutter from this page,sorry.getting tired and semi-braindead. but its fast painless with sbopkg. [01:37] BP{k}: man i'm all for that. for me, it would be the computer room and the tv/entertainment room. my wife has the same feelings about her kitchen :D [01:38] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:39] BP{k}: would you set up video monitors in the kitchen and in the computer room so you can chat while she cooks? awwwwww......... :P [01:39] the kitchen needs a computer for recipes and the like :) [01:40] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [01:40] of course [01:40] and don't forget to include the linux coffee pot as well [01:40] antler: no. she's deaf so video conferencing like that doesn't quite work ;) [01:41] antler: although I mgiht have to insist on a property like: http://www.green-acres.com/en/properties/34428.htm ;) [01:41] isn't that why we have speech-to-text? [01:41] nice property [01:41] alisonken1noc: have you ever used that? :P [01:41] heck, that's even better for kitchen usage [01:41] i hear john ousterhout uses it [01:41] (tcl) [01:42] BP{k}, only the speech-to-text dictation in OS/2 Warp 4 many moons ago [01:42] (as in late 1990's timeframe) [01:43] although just a normal irc link, combined with one of those: http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ .. could work ;) [01:43] ah yes - I pointed out one of those keyboards to coworkers the other day [01:44] BP{k}: eh small hurdle. i would've though that with your ingenuity, you would make it so that whatever you said would display as text on her screen. and whatever she mouthed would appear on yours :P [01:44] BP{k}: sweet looking property [01:44] antler: bah. my ingenuity stretches to "food and it better be good and edible" .. ;-) [01:45] hahahah [01:45] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:45] Action: alisonken1noc uses "food, and it better be edible" [01:45] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [01:47] food: one of the many advantages of having a wife/live-in girlfriend (or husband or live-in boyfriend that likes to play the missus -- if you happen to be gay) [01:47] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:47] or not even gay - just a husband/male-significant-other that likes the kitchen [01:47] antler: alisonken1noc: http://www.buyahouseinfrance.com/propertydetails.aspx?id=5042 <-- is rather my long time favourite :) [01:47] the downside of food.. having to put aside time to take a dump [01:47] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] is there a tex2txt bin? [01:47] that one's nice too [01:48] alisonken1noc, since you're graveyard, do you not eat greasy foods during the day? :D [01:48] jeev: I eat food - regardless of the fat content dripping down my hands :) [01:48] alisonken1noc: yeah... though only god knows why a man would have any business in the kitchen [01:48] Action: antler runs [01:48] antler: heh [01:48] Bugz__ (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:48] antler: to get more beer. ;) [01:48] i actually enjoy making food [01:49] i make some delish shit [01:49] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] i do, but only when i don't have to cook daily [01:49] BP{k}: are you guys seriously thinking about that place (your last post)? [01:49] yea i dont cook daily [01:49] my girlfriend is an amazing cook, i go to her house once a week [01:49] antler: nah, I can't afford that. [01:50] not if winning [and that is a big if] afformentioned lottery. ... ;) [01:51] is there a tex2txt bin? [01:51] BP{k}: oh man i likes your style :D i can totally see me in that house [01:51] if i win the lottery, i'll buy a 500,000 sq foot datacenter [01:52] why not move into it also? [01:52] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-252-74.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [01:52] so you can play your little games and pretend you run norad? [01:52] tripFantastic, i never said i wouldn't [01:52] unmentioned is unfulfilled [01:52] antler, sure. i'll also house the biggest illegal file sharing on earth and ignore DMCA [01:52] or whatever it is [01:52] just to piss off the industry [01:52] BP{k}: long drive from the netherlands to france? [01:52] cant do that in the states [01:53] antler: I'll take that same room, only make the pc count 20, oh, and you're paying, right? ;) [01:53] tripFantastic, you can if you have sentry guns [01:53] pff [01:53] antler: probably about 10 horus or so? [01:54] fire|bird: the company i work for just threw away more than 20 pentiums. you interested? [01:54] antler: by european stands quite a ride. But all together not too bad and you could even take it easy and drive 5 hours .. stop over in paris for food and drinks and travel down calmly the next day... all very convenient ;) [01:54] I am - what kind of pentiums? the only problem might be getting them to california/usa though :) [01:55] dartmouth (~dartmouth@pool-72-65-97-196.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:55] BP{k}: you guys have it good over there. 10 hours across canada means i might have crossed one, possibly two provinces. [01:55] antler: The thing is, I don't have the room for any more than what I got now, so no. :P [01:56] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [01:56] alisonken1noc: hahah old pentium 4s. 2.8gigs, i think [01:56] fw boxen [01:56] My P4 is 3.2 [01:56] well, they would work as remote projector screen displays and x terminals :) [01:57] i asked them. all are working but none have hds. [01:57] or as streaming media clients for projectors [01:57] antler: hehehe, yeah distances like that are rather 'relative'. Here, 89 miles is almost a reason for making something a day trip. [01:57] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [01:58] http://www.mountainvalleyradio.com/09635640.jpg [01:58] well, in california, I can hit the eastern border in about 3-4 hours, but from l.a. it takes about 10 hours to hit the northern border [01:59] i know people that commute that far (89 miles) ! [01:59] (granted, that's unusual) [01:59] I commute about 45-50 miles one way for work depending on if I'm going to the la office or the lax office [01:59] alisonken1noc: but the drive, i imagine, is nice in cali whether you're going north to south or east to west. in canada (except bc), it's flat. you see cows, grass, more cows, some hay, more grass, etc. ask chopp. he lives in alberta :P [02:00] antler: obviously you haven't seen the stretch between the l.a. mountains and the san francisco area :) [02:00] alisonken1noc: definitely haven't. it's flat? [02:01] yep [02:01] antler: sounds like the netherlands, only bigger :P [02:01] the only hilly part is the eastern border where the sierra madre mountain range is and the hills around l.a. (like hollywood) [02:01] and big bear [02:02] BP{k}: i always imagined the netherlands to be like in that movie Spoorloos [02:02] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.110) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:02] alisonken1noc: no water around those parts? [02:03] antler: maps.google.com and use satellite view, follow the 5 freeway from mexico border to oregon border [02:03] granted, not as bad as midwest - but the north/south ride can be pretty boring [02:04] antler: that sounds familiar but never seen the movie, reading abotu it, it's mostly set in france isn't ? [02:04] you get occasional glimpses of the pacific if you drive on pch 1 or the 101 freeways [02:05] BP{k}: i think they drive to france. but i remember some parts in the netherlands. i could be way off. been a while since i've seen it. yeah, pretty scary movie man. might be a good one to watch with the woman. [02:07] antler: depends - there's water in the mountains like in big-bear, and we are the pacific coast of the usa [02:07] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-252-74.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:11] BP{k}: the americans redid the movie and called it "the vanishing" (jeff bridges) [02:12] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:12] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:12] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [02:12] i'm running two instances of "dzen2" and i just want to kill a particular instance that has a script piping to it - is there a way to "killall" that particular one programatically ? [02:12] antler: yeah just reading about it on wiki :) [02:13] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:13] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [02:14] chemosh (~chemosh@5354A903.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:14] fhobia: lsof shows that process with the pipe open ? [02:15] /proc or lsof output might just do it [02:15] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:15] ah, ok, cool [02:15] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:16] maybe use a named pipe instead of a regular pipe [02:17] gotcha [02:17] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:17] fhobia: you're using xmonad ? [02:17] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:18] yeah [02:18] i'm killing the dzens off when i restart xmonad [02:18] or else they start piling up [02:18] but i found out that i don't want to restart one of them [02:18] alisonken1noc: heh still sounds more interesting than canada, home of the beaver. [02:19] ahh cool :) i used to use ion, and would like to set up xmonad; i just haven't put in the time needed to set it up the way I like it [02:19] antler: at least your beavers are natural :) [02:19] :-D this is my first tiling window manager [02:19] alisonken1noc: and some are bald, which is a definite plus. [02:20] well, it _does_ reduce toothpick budget when shaved :) [02:20] hahahah [02:21] i usually just floss when i'm down there [02:21] another question ...is there a way to run a program but with another name? (besides copying the binary and naming it something else) ? [02:21] like run "dzen2" but as "top_left_dzen" and another "dzen2" as "top_right_dzen" [02:21] symlink avoids copying [02:22] there is probably another way, but that I don't know [02:22] ok [02:22] thanks for all the help, trhodes :-) [02:23] argv[0] is going to be set to the link name (i think it's argv[0]...)(you're welcome) [02:23] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [02:23] tidbit: it's how busybox works [02:25] hmm, neat, i just learned of: http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp/argv0.html [02:26] also the /proc//cmdline will show the name as well [02:27] yes, someone the other day was asking how to tell from within a script what it was called by, and /proc/$PPID/cmdline was the answer [02:27] hello ppl, good morning. Howto see /this/directory/size? [02:28] du -sh /this/directory/ [02:28] if you want human readable [02:29] wow, lightning here again tonight... i see another powerfail in the works. [02:34] trhodes: better get your blue blanket now so that you'll have it when lightening strikes [02:34] haha ;) [02:34] fhobia: i'd make 2 shell scripts each with tho names both like < dzen --params>. chmod +x them put in a folder in your users ~/; make sure its in your path. run it that way [02:34] s/tho/those [02:35] i've only had 20 hours of electricity today :/ [02:35] Gr1nch_ (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [02:35] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:35] Rat409: that sounds the simplest, i'll try it [02:35] then source the diff dzen commands in your wm [02:37] can abbreviate them like dzen-tl for top left,etc. or whatevers convenient [02:37] or simpler dzen1 dzen2 whatever [02:37] i use a ~/bin and also ~/.scripts for custom scripts [02:39] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] hi [02:39] is that 'cause things can break when called by symlinks ? or 'cause he's going to always pass params to those dzen instances ? [02:39] hi [02:39] i installed windows after slackware,., how can I reinstall lilo? =/ [02:40] Im on a live CD, mounted /,., and did a chroot [02:40] boot from cd and pass your slackware partition as root, then reinstall lilo [02:40] but then I dont know what to do [02:41] because symlnks with diff names=same binary shell scripts call the cmd with different parameters or you could alias 2 diff instances with diff params also i spose [02:41] there's a note on how to boot your installed slackware on the boot cd info page (f2 I believe when the boot prompt comes up) [02:41] biker: ^^^ [02:41] Rat409: ok [02:42] do 'formal' servers ever do a full distro install? like for big companies [02:42] biker: once you're in your installed slackware, the as root rerun lilo [02:42] alisonken1noc, ok thank you let me see :) [02:42] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:42] alisonken1noc, uh? [02:42] stuart: since servers don't normally need X, then no [02:43] biker: boot the install cd/dvd, at the "boot:" prompt, hit F2 and read the notes [02:43] it tells you how to emergency boot into your installed partition [02:43] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-131.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] alisonken1noc, okok ill try that,., thanks :) [02:44] okay 1 more stupid question, do any of you play texas hold em poker on facebook [02:44] because i feel like linux's java is kinda slower [02:45] and a lil buggy [02:45] stuart: are on on slack64 ? [02:45] trhodes, 32 [02:45] a little slower than windows java, true. that's because windows allows programs direct access to stuff it shouldn't [02:45] hmm :/ i duno then [02:46] i just feel annoyed i can't manually enter an amount of cash to raise [02:47] alisonken1noc, F2 just gives you a tip of what kernel to use [02:47] F3 ? [02:47] biker: then was there any notes on the boot screen itself? [02:47] without hitting any f-keys? [02:49] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] slackware/slackware-current/isolinux/{message.txt,f2.txt} have no mention of emergency boot stuff [02:51] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-65-97-196.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] alisonken1noc, ok i could enter to my root, but how can I reinstall lilo so I dont neet to do this each time? [02:53] trhodes: In a pinch, you can boot your system from here with a command like: boot: hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda1 rdinit= ro [02:53] ah ;) yeah [02:53] biker: as root "lilo" [02:53] nheco (~nheco@200-102-90-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:53] nheco (~nheco@200-102-90-225.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:53] trhodes: message.txt file [02:54] yeah *sheepish* i see that now :P [02:54] alisonken1noc, it gave me 3 warnings, and then it says: Added Linux * [02:54] biker: ok - try reboot now [02:54] okok :) [02:54] biker: but also read up on lilo.conf on how to add your windows to the boot options [02:55] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:55] alisonken1noc, yea that workED!! =D [02:55] thank you so much [02:55] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:55] np [02:55] yea ill read it :) [02:56] trhodes: a trick I've learned from having hosed many a boot systems in the past :) [02:56] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) joined ##slackware. [02:56] haha :) [02:57] SIGBUS_ (~gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:58] well have a good one guys. later [02:58] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [03:00] Rossonero (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:01] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.240) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:01] SIGBUS_ (~gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:02] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [03:05] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:08] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [03:08] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:10] what's something cool you would buy if you could [03:10] gadget [03:10] sheevaplug [03:10] a pony [03:10] oh yea i do want a sheeva [03:10] surrounder, already got a pony.. slaughtered it and i'm using it to feed my workers [03:10] haha [03:11] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:11] jeev: you do whip your workers around right ? [03:11] Gr1nch_ (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:11] haha, kids just love glue made from ponies [03:11] surrounder, with a pistol [03:11] sheeva is cool but isn't there somethin better? [03:11] oh sure [03:12] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [03:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:17] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [03:17] Morning. [03:24] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [03:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-26-117.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-131.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:28] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:30] g - night [03:30] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:31] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:31] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:32] gutts (~gutts@91.194.96.241) joined ##slackware. [03:32] gutts (~gutts@91.194.96.241) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:33] hasansahin (~c3218136@gateway/web/freenode/x-bnosqghnfeellzxu) joined ##slackware. [03:36] Morn [03:38] Action: riza waves to Zordrak. [03:38] good morning Zordrak [03:39] Better mood this morning [03:42] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 241 seconds [03:45] uva (~uva@114-25-205-150.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] So I just created.. 2 more new gmail accounts. D: [03:46] hmm - I still have 98 invites left :) [03:46] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [03:47] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:47] it still requires invites? [03:47] I wonder how many people are like me, having more than 10 email accounts to manage. [03:47] I'm close [03:47] Ah. [03:47] Action: riza hugs alisonken1home. [03:48] I got a question, you guys know any good way to play swf files? [03:48] riza: flash [03:48] Yeah but.. [03:48] I have it downloaded as a file. [03:48] so? [03:49] just put that directly in the url "bar" ? [03:49] there's also a standalone flash player as well [03:49] trhodes: dude... i was gonna make him earn it [03:49] alisonken1noc: stop treading on my sandwiches :) [03:49] heh [03:49] sorry :P I haven't done that myself [03:50] speaking of sandwiches - good roast beef, cheese, mayo the wife sent with me [03:50] and a touch of mustard [03:50] kill the mayo and sweet [03:50] tread softly because you tread on my sandwiches [03:50] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [03:50] kill the mustard too. :P [03:51] ok - replace mustard with peanut butter, but keep the mayo [03:51] Oh shoot! [03:51] You were right trhodes. [03:51] kill fire|bird [03:51] hell yes kill the mouse turd [03:51] I dunno why but firefox makes me download it. [03:51] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:51] de-antler antler [03:51] because you don't have the plugin installed - in the location bar type "about:plugins" and see if you get swf listed [03:52] or because its not really a flash file [03:52] It's installed. [03:52] or that [03:52] Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 [03:52] It works on seamonkey tho. [03:52] resjudicata (~chatzilla@41.238.180.14) joined ##slackware. [03:52] you may have to install it in the firefox plugin directory - I've had to do that sometimes as well [03:52] Ah. [03:53] or at least a link to the plugin in the firefox plugins directory [03:53] Action: antler feels so vasectomized. [03:53] if ff reporlts it loaded its in the right place [03:53] Action: alisonken1noc is so vasectomized [03:53] seriously? [03:53] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [03:53] yep - after the 4th, I had the snip [03:53] dude, you're a lion without a mane [03:53] :P [03:54] don't bet on it :) the wife will vouch for that [03:54] hahahah [03:54] she still complains I don't leave her alone enough [03:55] snip. that's a scary thought [03:55] lol [03:55] D: [03:55] google news had a say on that recently: http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&topic=m&ncl=d2SFbYb0KX6RgbMcCwgJmyjCk82ZM [03:55] I have two helloworld files that are in zip and rar but neither will open and are about the size of 5-6kb. Makes me wonder why it's so big... [03:56] alisonken1noc: how old is the oldest? [03:56] about 35 [03:56] youngest is 8 [03:57] quite a difference [03:57] 27 year difference [03:57] heh i like that... "about 35" :D [03:57] yep [03:58] figured I better say the difference or antler would still be counting on his fingers. [03:58] hah [03:58] hahaha [03:58] lol [03:59] well, they're spread between 2 wives - 3 with the first and one with the last [04:00] alisonken1noc: probably already asked you, but do you have anchors tatooed on your forearms? [04:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:00] nah - that was my dad - anchor and indonesian lady on arms and birds on chest [04:00] Well, time to sleep, later guys. [04:01] later fire|bird [04:01] see ya antler [04:01] resjudicata (~chatzilla@41.238.180.14) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] [04:01] alisonken1noc: heh parenting doesn't get easier as they get older, does it? :S [04:01] "Research: Men want sex until almost dead" :) [04:02] antler: depends on how you parent and raise them [04:02] alisonken1noc: fail [04:02] men want to die during sex [04:02] haha, yeah, some original research [04:02] Intel[R]VT-x (~IntelR]VT@112.135.15.77) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:02] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] hmmm... so it can get easier [04:04] alisonken1noc^^ :) [04:04] fux [04:04] er, I didn't mean to type fux there... [04:04] fux [04:04] er, or there either [04:04] hah [04:04] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-93.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:04] lol [04:04] That's not noews. 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[04:12] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:13] I gotta admit I wish the computer knew the difference between real and cartoon in a folder. [04:13] keashery (~keashery@117.136.12.66) joined ##slackware. [04:13] That way it makes it easier to separate the two. [04:13] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:14] its a directory not a folder [04:14] this isnt windows [04:14] ouch [04:14] :P [04:14] Bah! Habits. [04:15] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Action: Zordrak runs [04:16] my dad used to get on my case for saying folder instead of directory -- i get on his case for abusing "theoretically" or "in theory" [04:16] The thing is I'm still young so I grew up around people saying folders. [04:16] i finally kicked the habit myself :) [04:16] Now that I am going to college, it doesn't help when everyone, including my professor who teaches computer related topics say folders. [04:17] put him right [04:17] And fail? I think not. D: [04:17] if he fails you for correcting him he should be fired [04:17] you think that would fail you? [04:17] yeah [04:18] I'm not that alpha. [04:18] Plus, he could just give me an unfavorable grade. [04:18] GOOD teachers appreciate students having the chutzpah to correct them [04:18] IF theyre wrong [04:18] i see how that could work against you, though ;) [04:18] "it just depends" :) [04:19] dont shout it out in class.. questin them quietly [04:19] they may have a reason and explain it [04:19] especially on socially accepted terminology [04:19] but they know you were actually listening [04:19] save those fights for something in which is factually wrong [04:19] Hm. [04:19] SiegeX, are you saying you agree with Zordrak? [04:19] Oh quietly, I can do that. [04:19] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:19] then do so [04:19] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [04:19] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:20] hi who can say when will be released the 13th release? [04:20] pick your nose and pick you battles [04:20] *your [04:20] ohh sorry [04:20] 13.1 [04:20] hasansahin: its been out for months [04:20] Pat hasansahin. [04:20] Erm. [04:20] im saying if you intend to tell your teacher that he's "wrong" because he uses the term 'folder' rather than 'directory', well...good luck [04:20] It has? Hm I'm still using 13.1, I should go read the changelog. [04:20] SiegeX, yeah I know, I was thinking the same. Not willing to lower my grades over something I know personally. [04:21] Zordrak : do you have any ideas about 13.1? [04:21] confronting them in class would be wrong.. doing it quietly could improve your grade [04:21] hasansahin: many [04:22] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-223.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Zordrak : do you use current branch? [04:22] yes [04:22] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:22] this would certainly not improve your grade, if anything it would make you look like a pretentious know it all [04:22] Wow 25 pages for the 13.1 changelog!! [04:22] is it stable right now? [04:22] hasansahin: stable for me [04:22] hasansahin: for you.. i dont knowm [04:23] SiegeX, I'm with you here, this is a community college, I'm not doing a Doctorate's or Master's in some studies. :| I'm still a freshman. [04:23] I am using 13 with salixos repos [04:23] what is a salixos? [04:23] get some balls [04:23] but I am sure may I use the current with salixos repos [04:23] pprkut: a linux distro [04:23] salix OS is a slack derivative [04:24] uses no kde [04:24] hasansahin: salixos is not supported here [04:24] salixos does use xfce with default [04:24] hasansahin: are you running slackware or salix? salix is not supported here [04:25] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.208.15) joined ##slackware. [04:26] hi, I just installed Slackware 13 on another PC with XFCE as DM. There is xorg.conf-vesa and I change the default mode there but whenever i restart X it starts with some other screen resolution. [04:26] salix sounds like a headache remedy [04:27] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:27] if I change the resolution XFCE->Settings->Display and restart X, it again starts with the maximum possibel resolution the monitor can support... [04:28] alreadygone, out of curiosity, what video card? [04:28] nVidia TNT2 16 MB [04:28] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:28] Hm. [04:29] Whenever I have a problem I just make sure I installed the drivers correct for it. [04:29] on Windoze probably [04:29] alisonken1home, are you available? [04:29] alreadygone: xorg.conf-vesais an example config that's never picked up [04:30] so what do I do pprkut ? [04:30] Install the driver. [04:30] what do you want to do? [04:30] start x with a lower resolution? [04:30] pprkut, I think he wants to use the best / max resolution the monitor can support but it resets to the smaller one after reboots. [04:30] to set a resolution *I* want [04:30] Yeah. [04:30] yes pprkut [04:30] a lower resolution [04:31] screen flickers at the resolution X is auto selecting [04:31] alisonken1noc : but salixos is not different than slack [04:31] hasansahin: to some extent, yes it is [04:31] hasansahin: if it doesn't come from slackware.com, then it's not slackware [04:31] qt apps may have problems [04:32] alisonken1noc : in normaly you are right [04:32] this is ##slackware - we don't keep track of what other people do when they create a different distribution, even if it's based on slackware [04:32] alreadygone: you can try creating a xorg.conf (without the -vesa part) and see if it's picked up. You can also play with xrandr [04:32] ok cool thanks pprkut [04:32] just like we can't support vectorlinux or slax [04:32] alisonken1noc : but I do not want to get support regarding to salixos [04:32] There should be a support channel for said distribution. [04:33] hasansahin: then check slaixos website and see what they have for support [04:33] salixos rather [04:33] hasansahin: you're just wondering what's in store for 13.1 ? [04:33] lesser (~keashery@117.136.12.70) joined ##slackware. [04:34] yes I would like to prepare my myself for 13.1 [04:34] hasansahin: ok - but at this point it's not known if it's going to be 13.1 or 14.0 [04:34] ok [04:34] we won't know until Pat speaks [04:34] man, -current has been changing daily [04:34] alisonken1noc: except for bob's multilib directory being named 13.1 ;) ) [04:34] alisonken1home, wait wait, isn't 13.1 already out? [04:35] riza: no [04:35] As stable? [04:35] Zordrak: but we know bob's sense of humor :) [04:35] he HAS one?! [04:35] Interesting... interesting.. [04:35] riza: 13.0 is the only stable right now [04:35] I misunderstood above then. [04:36] there's some people who confuse "works for me" with "stable" [04:36] "some" people? :) [04:36] in the past someone were preparing current kde packages for the stable releases [04:36] :) [04:36] so can i found 4.4.1 packages for 13? [04:36] of course, slackware makes it easy to think -current is stable [04:36] kde 4.4.1 [04:37] no [04:37] only 4.4. [04:37] only 4.4.0 [04:37] where? [04:37] keashery (~keashery@117.136.12.66) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:37] hasansahin: not really - there were changes in 4.4.1 that require extra work in slackware [04:37] ok [04:37] polkit ? [04:37] among others :) [04:37] polkit is still an issue for 4.4.0 [04:38] its just been left out which restricts usability [04:38] ok, that's stuff i'm in the dark on [04:38] Zordrak : is polkit issue valid for all distros or only slack? [04:38] SlackNews (nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:38] all distros that dont have polkit [04:39] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-65-97-196.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:39] is polkit dependecy for KDE? [04:39] it depends :P [04:39] polkit replaces hal/dbus [04:40] its a dependency for some components [04:40] yes [04:40] alisonken1noc: erm, no. polkit is something completely different. It manages user priviledges [04:40] I have to admit, slackware folks have a strange sense of versioning. Most software seem to go incremental by minor then major, but slackware? Mostly major. [04:41] hmm - then I read wrong or got confused by my reading [04:41] most folks haven't been around as long as slackware :P [04:41] alisonken1noc: what you mean is devicekit [04:41] ah - that's the confusion [04:41] or whatever it's called nowadays [04:41] both have -kit [04:41] alisonken1noc: It'll be 13.1. [04:41] Nick change: MoZes_ -> MoZes [04:42] MoZes, is that the word from Pat? [04:42] SlackNews (moo@apple.chaosorigin.com) joined ##slackware. [04:42] this is the polkit, we're talking about, right? http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&topic=m&ncl=d2SFbYb0KX6RgbMcCwgJmyjCk82ZM [04:42] alisonken1noc: yep, that's why everybody resorts to saying *kit sucks :P [04:42] whoops [04:42] http://code.google.com/p/polkit/ [04:42] how the f do i set the clock in slackware? [04:42] Azeotrope: however you want [04:42] i spent one hour on this [04:42] ntp is the way to go (hardware clock?) [04:42] same as other linux - are you talking cli or clock applet? [04:42] ntpdate [04:42] cli [04:42] etc etc [04:43] alisonken1noc: Yes. [04:43] ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org for me [04:43] MoZes, unofficially or posted somewhere? [04:43] alisonken1noc: 10x [04:44] alisonken1noc: Unofficially, and when I reminded him during the upgrade (prior to the last huge update) that X had been compiled with "Slackware 13.0",he changed it to 13.1. [04:44] so I think it's safe to say the next release is 13.1. [04:44] that sounds like a good indication :) [04:45] Action: pprkut expects slackware-13.1.1.1.1 :P [04:45] prime versions are the funnest [04:45] just hope he decides to include my drbd-tools slackbuild [04:45] fingers crossed. not holding my breath tho. [04:45] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:46] Hm. [04:47] Zordrak: sounds cool - i've been wantin to mess with network block devices [04:47] (hadn't heard of drbd 'til now) [04:48] trhodes: DRBD's kernel code has been included in the 2.6.33 kernel which will be in 13.1 (or a later kernel) [04:48] but it needs the userland tools to do anything with it [04:48] yeah.. nice [04:48] theyre queued on SBo and ive mailed pat but whether he adds them into slack is up to him [04:49] (there is a drbd build on SBo right now but that includes the kernel module thats no longer needed in -current... in pending its been split into drbd-tools and drbd-kernel) [04:49] maybe it could go in /testing [04:49] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-223.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:50] pat has all the info.. just up to him to do something [04:51] so bash is now bash4 I see (4.1) [04:51] not yet [04:51] (is slackware) [04:51] *in [04:52] hsnith [04:52] er, in -current [04:52] shit.. [04:52] yeah [04:52] haha ;) [04:52] i watch current closely but don't use much of it :) [04:52] i onl/y have one box that is current -current.. my desktop is a few weeks out of date [04:52] dont know haw i missed that [04:53] bash4 isn't much different [04:53] it deprecates seq however :) [04:53] different enough to break a lot of slackware stuff [04:53] (sort of) [04:53] oh really... dang [04:53] obviously theyve ironed it all out now [04:54] ooooo [04:54] coproc is teh awesome [04:54] i use -current on laptops (i had my best one die recently) [04:54] yes [04:55] there's stuff in bash4 that i would even want in zsh [04:55] theres stuff in bash3 i would want in zsh [04:55] and csh [04:55] anh tcsh [04:55] and psh [04:55] ;) [04:55] bash3, really ? [04:55] like what ? [04:55] everything :) [04:55] BrokenCog (~daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [04:55] haha [04:56] i have become dependant on bash.. i cant see how anyone lives without it. Other shells can be kooky and fun.. but if you want to DO something.. bash is your bitch [04:56] htt.http://bashcurescancer.com :) [04:56] bah [04:56] eh, i'm gettin in the zsh fold (for some things.. not enough to chsh) [04:56] yeah, i like that site [04:57] Hello all. So, i'm in the process of migrating the Slack64 from multilib-ready to -enabled via AlienBob's HowTo. I'm having problems with Google Chrome the - libnss versions don't match. Does anyone have a suggestion ? [04:57] why dont i link to it from mine? Well.. thats easily correctedh [04:57] acidchil1 (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [04:57] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.4) joined ##slackware. [04:57] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:57] BrokenCog: you will need to be more clear and potentially pastebin sthg [04:58] hey guys, i've got laptop, on which i will install slackware, and itš got intel WM3945AGB WLAN card, and i also have a spare atheros 5k WLAN card, should i change them, or will intel be ok? [04:59] zux1wrk, give the intel a try, if it dies, then use the atheros [04:59] the 3945AGB shoul work perfectly [04:59] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:59] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:59] thanks for advice [05:00] the 4965 definitely does [05:00] i've only used atheros on linux [05:00] and a ralink, that worked bad [05:00] Zordrak, standby one. posting ... [05:00] will have to be standy two.. ive already linked it :) [05:01] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:01] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [05:01] Zordrak (hello again): http://pastebin.ca/1835206 - basically, it just shows the installpkg and then the lib not found error. [05:02] bah.. wrong person [05:02] BrokenCog: k sec [05:02] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:03] Zordrak: meant to include this also: http://pastebin.ca/1835207 [05:03] yeah seems its finding the 64 libs first [05:03] ottomh i dont recal/l the solution... someone hanging around here should [05:04] buh.. does chrome require 32libs?! [05:04] ill just shut up here. Im no help on this'n [05:05] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/google-chrome-64-bit-on-slack-1364-770480/ mentions your problem [05:06] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-218-134.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] let me look at that page, also, i don't see a 32bit version of libnss and that's what prompt my question was the Googlizer Machine failed to turn one up as well. [05:07] has anyone isntalled slackware (or any linux) on a Dell D620 Laptop? [05:07] woo for &>> in bash4 [05:07] well, I tried a dell laptop about 12 years ago :) [05:07] trhodes: i see the slackbuild link to the mozilla NSS lib. that might do the trick. [05:07] zux1wrk: im using it on a D630 right now [05:07] Zordrak: coproc was in zsh in 1999 :P [05:08] zsh defaults suck, to be fair [05:08] I IRC out of screen on a home server.. but i connect to it on a docked D630 [05:08] trhodes: bash > psh > * :) [05:09] Zordrak, how much different hardware does it have? and generally could it have any hardware not supported by linux? [05:09] its basically exactly the same hardware and it all works 100% perfectly [05:09] that sounds promising :) [05:10] have a llok at th LQ HCL [05:10] does your have a web-cam? [05:10] no [05:10] latitude is a business range [05:10] Zordrak, i don't really now what hardware it has, i have not switched it on yet [05:10] its very very good. [05:11] i think this will be for my wife, and she loves using webcam in skyper [05:11] skype [05:11] precise hardware config depends on what was ordered as dell build to order and offer diffirint spec options [05:11] *different [05:11] got to get that win xp sticker off from it... [05:11] but webcam is uber unlikely [05:11] zux1wrk, did you search for that on google? linux-laptops.net may have a page or two on it [05:12] BrokenCog: ironically, i didn't get around to finding that before you... my firefox is too slow [05:12] as for the webcam, you'd be surprised [05:12] is this a built in webcam? [05:12] Well off I go. [05:12] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [05:12] Delahunt, Zordrak already answered all my questions [05:12] Delahunt: given that every laptop in this company is a dell latitude.. it would take a lot to surprise me :) [05:12] no, this one doesn't have one at all [05:12] trhodes: I think you'd be even more surprised if i told you my net connection situation. [05:12] you can always buy an external webcam [05:13] the ones in the logitech quickcam family do particularly well [05:13] BrokenCog: let me guess - dialup ?! [05:13] thats a definite yes [05:13] (you can search through models on linuxquestions.org) [05:13] currently have a QC 5000 monitoring the car park on a dell dimension PIII [05:13] Delahunt, well i have a logitech usb webcam, i bought it after looking at what's supported [05:13] (12.2) [05:13] Action: Delahunt owns a quickcam pro 9000 and a quickcam pro for laptop, both are well supported in skype and the kernel [05:13] but on laptop, an external web-cam is a pain [05:13] not always [05:13] hmm [05:13] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-218-134.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:13] depends on the model [05:14] tell me more :) [05:14] oh man, i've had nothing but troubles with my logitech webcams (quickcam and qc_messenger) [05:14] both mine work fine on laptops, i only own laptops [05:14] kinell! My LQ HCL post on the lappie has had 19.5k views! [05:14] LOL. almost. sharing a slow net with five users, then point-to-point via wifi about half a mile to a satillte provider to russia thence to the Intertubes. [05:14] BrokenCog: wow :) [05:15] Delahunt, i mean that they just are messing around. an internal camera is just there, but you have to carry around the external as you move with your laptop [05:15] trhodes: it's actually quite reliable except just this week: Solar Activity knocks us out every so often. [05:15] oh yeah, 2011 [05:15] oh [05:15] lesser (~keashery@117.136.12.70) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:15] 2022 is not going to be a good year for satellite internet where you are [05:16] 2022 ? i _REALLY_ hope to be gone by then. [05:16] haha ;) [05:16] BrokenCog: we're on a laser connection atm... snow stuffed it up pretty good :) [05:16] BrokenCog, where do you live? [05:16] hi, when I do ifconfig eth0 up it says "SIOCSIFFLAGS: device or resource busy" what does it mean? [05:16] i dont' really live here. it's more like work sent me here for six months. [05:16] alreadygone: prolly means youre not root [05:16] I am root [05:16] then its busy :) [05:16] Zodrak: snow falling or snow lying on the emitters ? [05:16] BrokenCog, sounds like a prison, where is that? [05:17] zuxlwrk: close enough. it's the Army. [05:17] Zordrak, ifconfig eth0 shows the card is detected and an IP is also assigned to it [05:17] i don't think they have intertubes in prison do they ? [05:17] oh, anyone seen twibright's optical links ? (neat stuff) [05:17] when the snow was heavy it started to cover the lasers' window [05:17] BrokenCog, afghanistan? [05:17] yes. [05:17] BrokenCog, there are all kinds of prisons.... :) [05:17] alreadygone: then its already up.. [05:17] ah. did the actual falling snow affect the link ? [05:17] i would have guessed alaska 'til you said army [05:18] but if I do ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.200 it says device or resource busy [05:18] BrokenCog: difficult to say.. i stayed at home and no-one intelligent went up on the roof :) [05:18] alreadygone: *shrug* [05:18] trhodes, the part about russia sounded more like afghanistan [05:18] don't care? [05:18] zuxlwrk: true dad. this one is really prison. anyway, the provider - IO-Global, does a good job even though they charge ridicules: $100 US for a month of fair DSL speed. [05:18] yeah, bad guess on my part :P [05:18] slow to fair really. [05:19] Zordrak: where is that ? [05:19] alreadygone: easier to troubleshoot locally than remotely [05:19] BrokenCog: central england [05:19] zuxlwkr: this one **isn't** really prison. sorry. [05:19] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:20] Zordrak: i've heard of the snow fall there this year. crazy sounding. [05:20] brainvision (~brainvisi@host66-39-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [05:20] yeah.. the snow isnt the problem its that the road infrastructure isnt set up to handle it [05:20] strap a plow to the front of your car 8-) [05:20] ah. lack of plows and such ? [05:20] they dont plough they grit [05:21] and then run out of gritn [05:21] BrokenCog, well i wasn't exactly hoping that you where in prison.... [05:21] does salt get used there ? or just sand ? [05:21] and when the main HGV route between sheffield an lincoln is a windy, hilly single-carriageway.. it soon becomes unpassable [05:21] salt gets used here [05:21] BrokenCog: salt & grit [05:21] it's giving lot's of trouble [05:21] zuxlwrk: it's kind of unlikely huh ? but, when one can't get out anywhere feels like prison. [05:23] Zordrak: how was "xynthia" (the last bad windstorm) ? [05:23] trhodes: huh? [05:23] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:23] you're in central england ? or am I mistaken ? [05:24] yes.. but ive never known a storm here get named [05:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xynthia_(storm) [05:25] i guess you would have missed the worst [05:26] never touched us [05:28] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [05:28] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-217-242.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] expl0it (~tester@220.163.84.243) joined ##slackware. [05:30] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [05:31] here's a question: is removing seamonkey going to create problems ? since i've got this NSS library as a seperate package doesn't seem like a need for seamonkey. [05:32] give it a try - as long as libnss is a separate package [05:33] wait [05:33] is there git in package repository for slackware ? [05:33] mac-: yes [05:33] /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins is part of the seamonkey package [05:34] I don't have a folder /usr/lib/mozilla. [05:34] git-1.7.0.1-i486-1.txz (-current package list) [05:34] er.. nm theres nothing in it in the pkg so it wont delete it if youve added plugins after [05:34] go ahead and kill seamonkey [05:34] mac-: it's in d/ [05:34] thx [05:34] BrokenCog: s/folder/directory/ [05:34] hm [05:34] heh [05:34] what ? [05:35] someone using it ? [05:35] git I mean [05:35] yes [05:35] yes [05:35] it is difficult to configure ? [05:35] not in my experience [05:35] mac-: are you talking about client or server? [05:35] git :) [05:35] both [05:35] ive never done a git server config [05:36] client i just use as is [05:36] works fine [05:36] I have to install and configure server for my project and then set several clients on Linux machines to work on it from sevral places [05:36] theres many many howtos [05:36] good [05:36] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-217-242.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:36] mac-: http://progit.org/book/ [05:37] ou, nice, thanks trhodes [05:37] :) [05:37] i'm goin thru it myself :) you' [05:37] re welcome [05:38] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [05:38] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:38] shit ... I`ve lost 2 hours on geeqie compilation errors ... [05:39] and now realize that it is in official package repository ... [05:39] live and learn :) [05:39] PACKAGES.TXT file is very nice source of information :D [05:39] typically when something disappears from SBo, check the official packages ;) [05:40] SBo got it, but pixbuf generates an errors during compilation [05:42] chemosh (~chemosh@5354A903.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:45] I think i'm doing something wrong in the way I built the mozilla-nss SBo package. at least, i don't see where it installed the libnss3 file. [05:45] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E733E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] heh.. --enable-gallium-intel removed from mesa [05:46] BrokenCog: read the /var/log/packages/ entry.. if its there its there [05:47] Zordrak: i see the libnss3.so , but google is looking for 3.so.1d - which, actually i'm not sure what that file extension is. [05:47] i'll try just linking to the 3.so file. [05:47] /var/log/scripts/ [05:47] worth a shot [05:47] plus, all it installed are the 64 bit libs -- perhaps i need to run the convert scripts on them to generate 32 bit versions ? [05:48] pat you arse.. you updated -current just after my mirror script finished... ;) [05:48] hah [05:48] haha yeah [05:49] BrokenCog: iff the 32 vers are needed then yeah, makes sense [05:49] now to wait for mirrors.tds.net to catch up [05:49] using osuosl [05:49] forcing remirror [05:49] Zordrak: trying to figure out how to do that conversion. haven't done it except for the initial "massconvert" initially. [05:50] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:51] BrokenCog: set your arch to i{x}86 and run the original build script [05:51] i used x86_64 ... [05:51] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:51] let me try with i686. [05:51] i mean to create a 32bit ver [05:52] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) joined ##slackware. [05:52] otherwise use convertpkg-compat32 [05:52] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [05:52] oh. okay, once as 32 and once as 64 ? installing each version ? [05:52] latter probably the canonical method [05:53] i cant say authoritatively i would poke alienBOB for verification [05:54] convertpkg-compat32 certainly /seems/ designed to handle any 64 pkg [05:55] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:55] i tried that - installing the resulting 32bit package complains about a file not being a sym link when looking at /usr/lib64/libnss3.so which seems a bit odd. [05:55] ive seen that before but cant recall where/why [05:55] how can I change eth1 to eth0 [05:56] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:56] alreadygone: delete 70-persistent-net-rules and reboot [05:56] ok thanks Zordrak [05:57] alreadygone: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/12/03/migrating-slackware-to-new-hardware/ [05:57] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-118.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:57] /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [05:57] grissiom (~grissiom@2001:da8:203:3:219:7dff:fe5b:daae) joined ##slackware. [05:57] thanks a lot Zordrak :) [05:59] note to self: Self, when rebuilding package, remove tmp build files. [05:59] :) [05:59] well, drat. i was overly hopefull. that didn't solve the compile error. 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[06:47] hi all. after updating to current when i double click to jpeg images gqview opens and keeps closing immediately. (xfce4.6.1). if i $gqview mypicture.jpeg it keeps the window opened. [06:47] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-111.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:48] OclkdMan, works fine here [06:48] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:48] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [06:49] is there a way to see some debug output? if i use the shell it works fine so it could be a problem of xfce+gqview [06:49] strace $program-name [06:50] (-o /tmp/whatever.txt) [06:50] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:50] so, sorry to keep harping on this libnss13 build -- i've pasted the sequence of instructions and the resulting error -- if someone were able to spot the trouble I'd be very appreicative. [06:50] strace won't help [06:50] xfce uses command to open images "gqview -r %F" [06:50] is that correct? [06:50] *this command [06:50] http://pastebin.ca/1835281 [06:51] *libnss3 build. [06:51] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:51] the webmaster said in the website : "Each page is meticulously carved and refined by our expert craftsmen using vim, then proofed using Netscape. The site is designed to be viewed with at least a 640x480 display, but it also looks good in Lynx." [06:51] anyway [06:52] haha using vim [06:52] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-177-203.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:53] with "gqview %F" it works [06:54] Rossonero: italiano? [06:54] BrokenCog: the only thing i can tell from zee googles is that this error happens when build should be x86 not x86_64 [06:54] OclkdMan, no a simple big fan of Milan club [06:54] ok. :) [06:55] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [06:55] ananke: that's what I'd been reading also. When using ARCH=i486 i get different errors: http://pastebin.ca/1835285 [06:57] OclkdMan: -current has no gqview anymore [06:57] BrokenCog: so you don't have 32bit sqlite3.a [06:58] pprkut: :O i see now in the changelog. thx a lot. i will use geeqie [06:59] ananke: where do they come from ? i thought they would be converted, since sqlite is in the base install. [06:59] 'they would be converted'? what do you mean by 'they' and 'converted'? [07:03] expl0it (~tester@220.163.84.243) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:06] they: the sqlite3 32bit libs, and converted: by the massconvert32 script during the initial 'migration' to multilib. [07:06] ananke: i had been talking about it earlier, which is why i hadn't restated. [07:07] not sure what that does, but if it removes 32 bit version then that's the problem [07:07] you can't link 32 bit code against 64 bit libs [07:07] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-113.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [07:09] grissiom (~grissiom@2001:da8:203:3:219:7dff:fe5b:daae) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:12] ananke: no it doesn't remove them. [07:13] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [07:14] BrokenCog: well, time to locate it then [07:15] wobbles (huntsman@C-59-101-177-203.mel.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:15] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:16] ananke: right. i hadn't realized sqlite is not in slack13. that might be part of the issue. [07:16] how can i see if the slackware installation left some packages not installed (ex: corrupted archive)? slackpkg cannot do that check. (install-new only looks at the changelog) [07:16] OclkdMan, do a md5sum on the package and compare with the .asc file on the server [07:17] and slackpkg checks the md5sum of every package it d/l's [07:17] slackpkg assumes you've already installed packages you wanted [07:17] i don't know IF some packages were not installed. [07:18] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [07:18] grissiom (~grissiom@2001:da8:203:3:219:7dff:fe5b:daae) joined ##slackware. [07:18] so i cannot check a single package checksum. [07:19] how did you install slackware? [07:19] you installed via the slackware installer's setup script? [07:19] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E733E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:19] full install or selective install? [07:19] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E733E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:22] hmm - could be possible that the samba share was messed up, true [07:23] you may want to try rsyncing the repository and try again [07:23] now i want to check if the slackware-current pkgs folder tree matches with my installed pkgs. (i use current). [07:23] or try installing from dvd [07:23] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:23] does setup have a log somewhere ? [07:23] ....no...only for installed and removed pkgs. [07:23] mac- (~mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:24] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] that could be a missing feature on slack i think. [07:24] that would be nice [07:25] Axius (~fd@92.85.214.168) joined ##slackware. [07:27] i have to agree [07:27] ...but maybe i'm wrong. the question after the installation: "did all the dvd/remote shares pkg go onto my root partition?" how can it be answered? [07:27] another feature would me nice that i could select "everything without X" in the installer [07:27] is there anything in /var/log/setup/tmp ? [07:28] if i put it on server, i never need X [07:28] zux1wrk: it's possible [07:28] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:28] just uncheck X pkgs tree in pkgs selection during installation. [07:29] OclkdMan, how? i tried just deselcting KDE and x series, but got into problems with some graphics package missing, that was under /x that packages was needed by a web service [07:29] x/ - xap/ [07:29] xap was also deselcted [07:30] there's also libs in l/ [07:30] i installed all libs [07:30] zux1wrk: what were you trying to run that needed stuff from X? [07:30] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:30] ber it was at least a year or two ago [07:30] maybe i just disremember [07:31] maybe. [07:31] but i would bet you were trying to run something from xap that needed x libs [07:31] Zordrak, no, that was a webserver [07:31] O_o [07:31] that needed some package, that was in x [07:31] probably some php cd stuff or something [07:31] gnuplot or something ? [07:32] something like that [07:32] I was under the impression that webservers would be in xap/ [07:32] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [07:32] basically if a lib is needed.. install the package that provides it when you discover you need it [07:32] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:32] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [07:32] alisonken1noc: why would a webserver be in xap? [07:32] Zordrak, i spent some time trying to figure out why the damn thing works on my laptop and not on the server :D [07:32] because webserver is not part of basic X [07:33] alisonken1noc: wth? [07:33] alisonken1noc: thats lixe putting bind in xap [07:33] it should be in a or ap i think... [07:33] Zordrak, duh - tired today [07:33] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [07:33] that would be in n/ [07:33] so it would seem :) [07:33] oh yeah [07:34] I'm thinking web client [07:34] *nod* [07:34] the damn antivirus running on xp on a virtual machine and scanning a usb HDD is giving my CPU hard times... :( [07:34] kill it, nuke it, throw the bones into the sun [07:34] heh.. get a better AV [07:34] virtual virus alert [07:35] i wouldn't need for myself... [07:35] (Avast! is my currunt home use recommendation) [07:35] and work use? [07:35] get yer wallet out :) [07:35] or the boss's credit card :) [07:35] it'd out, not mine but works. they have bought kaspersky [07:35] G DATA for a small network that doesnt do complex stuff or ESET NOD32 for one that does [07:36] it's [07:36] and kaspersky is right now the bastard using my cpu.... [07:36] g data is technically the best... but its immature and breaks things [07:36] antivursus usually break things... [07:37] some much much much more than others though [07:37] i bet it's a hard job working on windows problems... [07:37] and g data breaks every bloody thing [07:37] the stuff that needs antivirus is usually what breaks things [07:37] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-113.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:37] but if youre just an XP administrative office selling furniture then its probably the way to go [07:38] if you're running XP, it's time to rethink what the secretary needs [07:38] if youre a proper organisation NOD32 is a good compromise of scan quality vs usability vs efficiency [07:38] Zordrak, and what do you think about kaspersky? [07:39] aaanyways.. time to kick this conversation in the neck :) [07:39] also i usually don't mess with windows on my job [07:39] zux1wrk: good but difficult to justify on political grounds sometimes depending on the org [07:39] Zordrak, correct, but mostly the windows part is done by the other guy.... :D [07:40] and he is the boss also :) [07:40] ie the Ministry of Defence wont work with it [07:40] mine at least [07:40] they forced G DATA to drop it as one of their scan engines for that reason [07:40] nor will american govt afaik [07:40] they forced what? [07:41] MoD use G DATA. G DATA uses 2 3rd party engines. One of those engines WAS kaspersky. [07:41] MoD will not work with Kaspersky. G DATA dropped it and replaced it with Avast! [07:42] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.87.161.20) joined ##slackware. [07:42] (all detail qualified as "to the best of my recollection") [07:44] allend (~allend@CPE-124-180-199-76.lns7.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:46] apple won't let kapersky develop for the iphone or ipad [07:46] for windows, i like using clamav and spybot search and destroy [07:47] they're both compact and easy on resources [07:47] i use clamav on my slackware mailserver [07:47] theres a windows port called clamwin [07:48] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [07:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-26-117.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:51] v4nelle (~van@188.4.229.108.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Skywise, i know [07:51] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.74.180) joined ##slackware. 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[07:55] and scan them [07:55] clamav will still scan them, but you won't get infected from mounting a windows drive [07:56] i think scanning out side of the os is better anyway [07:57] dive (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:59] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:59] Skywise, that's what i do [08:00] i plug it into my laptop as an external drive [08:00] and scan it from virtual machine with kaspersky [08:01] the "windows" guy is on vacation, unfortunately for me [08:02] i'm sure you can find a monkey around there somewhere to take his place [08:03] or maybe get one of those drinking bird toys to press y like homer did [08:03] if you want something light on resources, microsoft's own antivirus/antimalware is quite decent [08:04] i never knew that they had some [08:04] it's fairly new. microsoft security essentials [08:05] yeah, i too always thought that they had some kind of agreement with the antivirus companys, that they would create unsecure OS, while the AV guys pay them.... [08:05] hmm, that doesn't seem comforting [08:05] ohh yeah. conspiracy theory is always required [08:05] Axius (~fd@92.85.214.168) joined ##slackware. [08:05] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.63.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:06] well, fixing the whole virus/malware is pretty simple and yet they moved at a snails pace [08:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] yeah, they want to create a tax or something [08:06] latest idea [08:06] all it ever needed was file level user permissions for the fs and then users could never corrupt the os [08:06] tax? [08:06] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:06] let's tax everyone so that we could fix insecure OS [08:06] (OUR) [08:07] Skywise: generally users couldn't. problem was that users ran as administrators [08:07] zux1wrk: some more FUD? [08:07] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/190581/microsofts_charney_suggests_net_tax_to_clean_computers.html [08:07] WHAT IS fud? [08:07] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:07] uh oh [08:07] yeah, that was a riot [08:08] its an acronym, fear/uncertainty/doubt [08:08] oh [08:08] that tax idea was so stupid [08:08] basically, spreading rumors to cause those feelings in others [08:08] let's create a bad product, then make everyone pay even more to fix it [08:08] Skywise: it's not stupid at all [08:08] the cyberwar is also fud [08:09] sure it was stupid [08:09] taxing everyone isn't gonna fix anything [08:09] why don't we tax microsoft, for making the internet a bad place... [08:09] the people responsible have already been paid [08:09] that's funny, i don't see where it says about taxing everyone [08:09] who would be excluded [08:09] it talks about isps and giving them incentive to do something about infected hosts on their networks [08:10] But an Internet usage tax might be the way to go. "You could say it's a public safety issue and do it with general taxation," he said. [08:10] its not the isp's problem [08:10] so the way i read it is simple: additional line item on the isp bill [08:10] its microsofts [08:10] Skywise: that's the issue. it's nobody's problem by that logic [08:10] ananke, later he says that all that should be funded by a tax [08:10] Skywise: so microsoft is responsible for linux worms? [08:10] oh yeah like thats an issue [08:10] zux1wrk: 'tax' means a lot of things. [08:10] Skywise: check your ssh logs. yes, it's an issue. [08:11] ananke, yeah, mostly it means that everyone is paying [08:11] ms is responsible for 100% of the malware and crap out there [08:11] 'tax' means either uncle sam's hand is in your pocket or something is stressig your computer [08:11] or both [08:11] zux1wrk: that's funny, i don't pay taxes on tobacco [08:11] ananke, why would you think those worms attack from linux? [08:11] i don't open my ssh ports to the general public [08:11] ananke, so you'll just unplug the internet, right? [08:11] so i've never seen such things [08:11] zux1wrk: because that's the attack vector [08:12] it doesn't matter, it has nothing in proportion to do with the trouble on the net [08:12] Skywise: open it up sometimes. you'll see within an hour attempts to brute force your ssh [08:12] why [08:12] Skywise: proportion? until a minute ago you were under the impression that it's only microsoft products that are affected [08:12] the whole reason its blocked is not prevent such irritation [08:12] ananke, that actually have little to do with linux [08:12] The-Croupier_ (~3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-frhxbursofwtyuzh) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Greetings [08:13] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.63.127) joined ##slackware. [08:13] zux1wrk: and they certainly have less to do with microsoft products [08:13] actually, if someone gets into your linux box, they can use it for spam generation [08:13] yeah, my point is that any such issue in linux are an infinitessimal problem compared with the ms issues [08:13] it's brute force attack that try to get remote control on whatever OS [08:13] it's not an exploit [08:13] happened to me many moons ago when I forgot to disable sendmail on a slackware 3.x box [08:13] face it folks, as much as you want to deny it, compromised hosts are not limited to running windows [08:13] zux1wrk: doesn't matter. [08:13] lol [08:13] there aren't linux botnets out there [08:13] so, not to barge into this hash session about where malware originates, but has anyone had any problems using VirtualBxo under Slax64 after the multilib convert ? [08:13] ananke, yeah, it's not, but can you give me %? [08:14] zux1wrk: can you? [08:14] talk about fud [08:14] i can tell you how many linux hosts i've hade copromised and how many windows hosts [08:14] Skywise: it's not FUD. you just refuse to accept the reality, because you've sheltered yourself [08:14] Skywise, sure there are - they use linux boxen to control the windows bots [08:14] ergo fud [08:14] that would be a non linux host and around 30 windows hosts (by having a virus i mean compromised) [08:15] zux1wrk: your anecdotical numbers do not represent internet at large [08:15] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:15] no, i've taken simple common practices in securing a host on the internet [08:15] also possible with windows [08:15] Skywise: so just because nobody broke into your home, it means burglaries are not a problem in your city? [08:15] only expose the minimum [08:15] it's not about the OS, it's about the people behind the buttons [08:15] ananke, ok, have it youre way, you're probably american.... [08:15] thats not the same thing [08:16] if I have the patches directory on the dvd populated with the latest patches, will they get installed by the installer or do I have to run an post-install manual update? [08:16] its more like my os doesn't share the same vulnerabilities as any ms os [08:16] Skywise, the problem is that you're thinking that linux is invincible - sorry, any box can be brute forced and/or vulnerabilities can be found in any network-connected server [08:16] social engineering is the biggest issue [08:16] which are fundamentally insecure [08:16] people are stupid when it comes to computers [08:16] zux1wrk: that's sad. in light of no actual evidence to prove it, you derail discussion into claims that i'm 'american' and dismissing my argument. ad hominem [08:16] doesn't matter if they use linux or windows or macosx [08:16] the only difference is how easy and how often [08:17] let's tax people for walking around the streets, because someone "might" be sick and infect others... [08:17] how can it be brute forced when the port is blocked [08:17] both Skywise and zux1wrk apply the broken logic: it doesn't happen to me, therefore it doesn't happen to others [08:17] lol [08:17] 14:15:11 Skywise : which are fundamentally insecure [08:17] i know why it doesn't happen to my systems [08:17] its not by accident [08:17] you can't block ports on windows? [08:17] Skywise: uuhm, explain? what's so fundemantally insecure about win2k8 ? [08:17] ananke, i do believe that such system maybe should be created, i'm arguing about where the monoey comes from [08:17] isn't rooting a windows box under a 3 minutes now [08:17] zux1wrk: would you also like to incorrectly guess my race, gender and few other things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand? [08:18] you have hidden processes in linux? [08:18] Skywise: unpatched fresh install of windows xp, maybe. try that with w2k8 or win7 [08:18] with the right daemon, that can happen [08:18] (hidden processes) [08:18] you could have a million backdoors on your system and never know [08:18] Skywise: disguisted processes too [08:19] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:19] disguised - although disguisted works too :) [08:19] quite a few rootkits come with kernel modules that can hide processes [08:19] hehe sorry 'bout that [08:19] oh jeeze [08:20] windoze comes that way and you can't undo it [08:20] windows can be secured, it's just not easy. just like linux can be broken, it's just not easy [08:20] ananke: really?! how? [08:20] ms can do steath updates and change your box without your consent or knowlege [08:20] win2k8 is quite secure by default [08:20] so is windows7\ [08:20] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [08:20] pat or linus can't do that [08:20] now i really don't understand the discussion here, is there really someone trying to tell that linux has had nearly as many flaws as windows? [08:21] right [08:21] rather absurd [08:21] The-Croupier_: i can't answer for the gritty details, but those kernel drivers simply take control over procfs/sysfs [08:21] ananke: understood ;) [08:21] since theres no source code for windows anyone can claim whatever he/she wants [08:21] what drivers are you refering to though... like bin drivers? (nvidia)...etc [08:22] SIGBUS_ (~gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:22] you don't need source code to ice [08:22] right. in history of linux there was never a case where distro's repository would be compromised [08:22] sahk0, actually there's evidence on ms for both sides [08:22] when? [08:22] The-Croupier_: from rootkits [08:22] haha true [08:22] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) joined ##slackware. [08:22] heres a fun post: http://elevenislouder.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-could-be-worse.html [08:22] ok, where having flame wars here [08:23] friendly (loud) discussions :) [08:23] BentoPUNK (BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:23] ok - >reasonably< friendly [08:23] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) left irc: Client Quit [08:23] Skywise: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10023565-83.html [08:23] no worse than some of the _discussions_ i've seen on base between navy and marines [08:24] surrounder: yep. and that one was even more scary than usual: they had control over the gpg sigs [08:24] indeed. [08:24] openssl and debian anyone ? [08:25] sounds like there was almost a problem [08:25] and that compares with how many 0 day ms exploits [08:25] acidchil1 (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:25] how many linux rootkits have dominated the newscycle [08:25] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] acidchild (~ash@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:26] not the same as linux is invulnerable [08:26] now, thats exaggerating to the absurd [08:26] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] its a logicall fallacy [08:26] acidchild (ash@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Skywise: so now that we've estabilished that it's a possibility, you resort to arguing about the numbers? [08:26] no one has proclaimed such a thing [08:26] Skywise: blaming MS for everything is also quite absurd [08:26] that's the argument I'm hearing here [08:26] guys, because something is not obvious... doesnt mean it doesnt exist :p [08:26] sheesh [08:27] theres a possibility i'm gonna play in the nba, but i'm not gonna go out and buy a lambo just yet [08:27] Skywise: few minutes ago you weren't aware of the existance of ssh brute force bots [08:27] i'm only blaming things within their control that they haven't dealt with successfully [08:28] no, i wasn't aware of any wide spread issues from such thing [08:28] tell that to my slackware mirror logs :) [08:28] i still believe blaming doesnt help.... fixing does ;) [08:28] you can't fix closed source, but you can open source [08:28] The-Croupier_ fo president [08:28] it's not about blaming microsoft. it never was. it's about the fact that compromised hosts on the internet are no longer limited to running windows [08:28] sure they are [08:28] no they are not. [08:29] how many of these compromised linux hosts are out there [08:29] Skywise: that's false [08:29] i'd like to see some reports [08:29] linux has 2-3x more daily vulns [08:29] lol [08:29] I'm sure my linux box is everything but safe =) [08:29] Skywise: open up your ssh port for 24 hours. i bet you'll get at least a dozen different compromised hosts try to brute force your ssh [08:29] but thats the point [08:29] (the windows install is otoh, but it hasn't been turned on for several months) [08:29] you have to help to corrupt a linux box [08:30] windows will do it all by itself [08:30] That's BS [08:30] 32086 94.76.241.30 <-- first number is attempted ssh logins from one IP alone [08:30] Skywise: yeah..connect online ;) [08:30] A unsecured Linux box is easy to get access to, too [08:30] i'm guessing Skywise doesn't read Secunia [08:30] Skywise: you're dancing around the issue. your claim that no linux boxes out there are compromised is false [08:30] you have to unsecure it [08:30] haha [08:30] heh [08:30] :D [08:31] Skywise: Really? So..I had to unsecure my kernel to make it vulnerable to the ksplice exploit? [08:31] Damn..I must have been an idiot [08:31] straterra: lol [08:31] so someone from the net can just exploit that? [08:31] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-212-93.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:31] Yes [08:31] just throw anything in [08:31] ok [08:31] All you need to do is exploit another running process [08:31] straterra: the kernel is getting bigger and bigger everyday, on the other hand...you can mess with it a little and fix things ;) [08:31] there was an article just recently about older kernels, and I think even 2.6.32+ had 10+ un-fixed security issues [08:31] lol [08:31] morning straterra long time no chat [08:32] So..lets say..an unpatched sendmail...or apache httpd [08:32] so after you've already exploited the machine, then exploiting it again is a vulnerability [08:32] or even a patched, but new vuln found senmail/apache [08:32] more likely unsecured apache running crappy php [08:32] straterra is hot last time ! [08:32] Skywise: No..because exploiting apache or sendmail doesn't give you root [08:32] using ksplice DOES [08:32] did you guys reherase this routine [08:32] Thats the point [08:33] you should take it on the road, cause its hilarious [08:33] Action: surrounder pets Skywise [08:33] Skywise: how attackers gain access was never the issue. [08:33] lol [08:33] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [08:33] yeah, thats trivial too [08:33] alisonken1noc, friday is a tired day :s [08:33] awk '/Invalid user/ {print $NF}' /var/log/messages | sort -u | wc -l [08:34] ColdWired (~thas@c-174-53-2-91.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] What is $NF? [08:34] -.- [08:34] ananke: I only have 2..but I use fail2ban heh [08:34] for anybody who has ssh open to the world, that ought to count the number of unique hosts who have tried to connect to you with invalid users [08:34] Necrosporus: number of fields, so it translates into the last field [08:34] Let me check works firewall [08:35] sort -u never works. [08:35] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:35] straterra: i use netfilter's rate limiting rules, that cuts down big time [08:35] acidchild: huh? it works just fine for this purpose [08:35] sort -u | uniq -u [08:35] It's better to keep ssh on non-22 port, isn't it? [08:35] Necrosporus: or just disable root account and move to using keys [08:36] Necrosporus: its best to use keys. [08:36] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] Necrosporus: there are few ways to deal with those problems. all of them involve certain level of inconvenience [08:36] But I haven't figured out, how [08:36] google knows all [08:36] I'm lazy [08:36] now that we can't help you with [08:37] I have only few ssh accounts [08:37] So? [08:37] a 'few' ? [08:37] Generating SSH keys takes minutes [08:37] yay! bash-completion for txz. i guess someone notified Pat [08:37] If you use a Windows box, use puttygen and pageant [08:37] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1257354/Constance-McMillen-School-bans-prom-lesbian-student-asks-girlfriend--wear-tuxedo.html [08:37] It makes my life MORE convenient than using passwords [08:37] tsk, silly hillbillies. [08:38] Windows is wrong [08:38] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:38] ananke: something in the air today? [08:38] and generating SSH keys is simple [08:38] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [08:38] must be. friday [08:38] straterra, does OpenSSH server work on windows? [08:38] Yes [08:38] via cygwin prolly [08:38] brain rotting toxins. [08:39] It's better to replace windows with something real like free software OS [08:39] why are you talking about winshit :s [08:39] Necrosporus, indeed ! [08:40] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Necrosporus: VXworks? [08:40] i new about getting access to linux boxes was done, years now, but the truth is i have never seen it live...and thus always assumed those guys were just bullshiting :( [08:40] Oh god [08:40] now im not that sure [08:40] Necrosporus: right. because the reality of software is highly dependant on its freeness [08:40] ananke: You'll love this.. ERP/DB guy was saying the ERP software was running slow because of its 70 meg log file [08:40] So..he did cp /dev/null filename [08:40] The-Croupier_, happened to me once back in 1997 :) brute forced into my box. Once. [08:41] heh [08:41] lol! [08:41] hehehe [08:41] ananke: yeah ;) the freer it is, the more you get, the more you get, security gets better :p [08:41] So take comfort in knowing its not just in here, stupidity roams freely [08:41] straterra: you left the gates open [08:41] straterra: haha. well, i just had a vendor tell us that small swap space was the reason his software ran for 30 hours rather than 6. i had to point to him the 0 swap use [08:41] your the problem [08:41] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:41] ananke: lol [08:41] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:41] straterra, human maxim :) [08:42] acidchild: the problem is that he has root -_- [08:42] He uses wildcards for everything too [08:42] cd dir* [08:42] straterra: Necrosporus has root? ;< [08:42] God no [08:42] haha [08:42] http://i.imgur.com/pdpIk.png [08:42] mod his keyboard layout, swap * with tab [08:43] I'd rather steal his laptop and put Windows back on it..and revoke his SSH keys [08:43] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) joined ##slackware. [08:43] good png :) [08:44] off_tr4mp0 (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [08:44] straterra: ;) nice ;) [08:44] I have a laptop that comes with GNU/Linux preinstalled [08:44] Rather bad distro, Red Flag, but anyways [08:44] do you live in China? [08:45] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) left irc: Client Quit [08:45] No. And I can't read chenesse [08:45] on the fun subject of security, we had few new people start, and they brought in lots of servers from their old edu. of course we put up only a few of those, after checking them thoroughly. just last night i noticed that one of them was still authenticating against NIS at their old work. sure enough, i was able to ypcat passwd, and get 50+ accounts, even some passwords in DES format [08:45] sure enough, three accounts out of 50 had passwords identical to the usernames [08:45] I have no idea, why Asus preinstalls chiness distro [08:46] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) joined ##slackware. [08:46] whats punycode? [08:46] hah [08:46] ananke: hehe [08:46] it rhymes with unicode [08:46] ananke: ;) [08:46] some people just dont listen...cannot do anything about it ;) [08:46] ls |grep Shit [08:46] lol [08:47] jsut realized i used Shit to find Shit and lobster vs Lobster when iw as looking for it [08:47] XD [08:47] jsut thought it was funny well bbl [08:47] good song btw Helloween Shit and lobster [08:47] well toodles [08:48] Punycode Name: commodas.com [08:48] Unicode Name: commodas.com [08:48] in here we tell people not to touch anything in the failed attempt of a server room, and a tutor got the plug out of the multiplug thingie, cos it looked cleaner than the one he already had ;) [08:49] 3 servers connected to it ;) [08:49] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-3.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:49] morning nix_chix0r :-] [08:49] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.74.180) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:51] Action: allend still grins about doing an udit of central IT documentation and finding one document with instruction on installing rdp and another document including root password for main production server [08:52] Action: allend all available on intranet for all users [08:52] hmm. i don't suppose anybody here installed linux on apple xserve? [08:54] i got 7 of them, sitting and collecting dust. not bad processors either, two sockets with intel core2duos [08:55] allend: lol [08:56] i got offered one of them last night, he had fedora running on it [08:56] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) joined ##slackware. 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[09:10] acidchild: hmm. i'm wondering how they got fedora on it [09:10] my issue is lack of ability to boot to any kind of linux media [09:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:11] ananke, cd, usb, network? [09:11] oh, the sun servers? [09:12] apple xserve [09:12] can somedy please advise me on mdraid? i'm having a dilemma, setting up mdraid level 1 for the first time.README_RAID recomemds creating a /dev/md* for each set of partitions, like, /, /var, swap, etc. isn't it better to do a /dev/md0 that mirrors whole two disks with all partitions inside? [09:12] slava_dp: i find it easier to put lvm on top of md array [09:12] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:12] slava_dp, i would create /dev/md0 for boot and /dev/md1 for LVm [09:12] that way you can carve it up however you want [09:14] ok, I'll try to finally comprehend README_LVM then :) [09:14] thanks for advising. [09:17] nick4_ (~fffeop@188.4.142.157.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:17] 2010-04-05 16:52 kai stamatato 17:24" ? [09:17] sorry [09:17] I know cron does things in repeat. I want to run a script in 2010-04-05 16:52 and then kill it on 2010-04-05 17:24. Can cron do this? If not, what tool do I need? [09:17] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:17] yes it can [09:18] man crontab [09:18] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) joined ##slackware. [09:18] slava_dp what keyword am I looking for in the help file? [09:19] no keyword. "crontab -e", specify start time + script_name, specify end time + killall script_name [09:19] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) left irc: Client Quit [09:19] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-119.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:19] or pkill... whatever you prefer. or store the pidfile and use that [09:19] oh, okey, let me check that slava_dp_ [09:20] use tab completion for nicknames too [09:20] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) joined ##slackware. [09:20] no, it was intentional [09:21] I didn't want to ping you [09:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-26-117.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.18.131) joined ##slackware. [09:27] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.164) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:28] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.58) joined ##slackware. [09:29] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.58) left irc: Client Quit [09:30] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [09:34] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:34] BrokenCog (~daniel@125.213.207.141) joined ##slackware. [09:34] I'm first trying this as a test: */60 * * * * echo hello > ~/hello.txt but hello.txt doesn't get created [09:35] Crimius (~crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:35] oops, wait [09:35] Crimius (~crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:38] slackandrew (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [09:39] slackandrew (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [09:40] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Rossonero (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [09:40] heya! [09:42] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-119.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:42] Rossonero (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Gulug (proxy@master.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[09:48] niels__horn: afaik */60 * * * * === * */1 * * * [09:48] ffs [09:48] tab completion fail [09:48] Gulug (proxy@master.gulug.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:48] nick4_: afaik */60 * * * * === * */1 * * * [09:48] hmmm [09:49] alreadygone: set your masqurading box as your default gateway on your client machine? :-) [09:49] alreadygone: you need to set up an iptables forwarding rule [09:49] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [09:49] it is set up on my PC. [09:49] Zordrak: ah... :) [09:49] how else do you do masqurading apart from with iproute2 and iptables? [09:49] alreadygone: theres a million guides on basic ICS with iptables [09:49] okie i'll google [09:50] BrokenCog (~daniel@125.213.207.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:50] slava_dp: wrt wdraid [09:51] *mdraid [09:51] yes.. just mirror the whole thing. [09:51] only one you need to look at though [09:51] personally i do it into 3 [09:51] alreadygone: google for "rusty ip masquerade" [09:51] this is my rc.local http://dpaste.com/171191/ for masquerade [09:51] md0 = /boot, md1 = /, md2 = swap [09:52] thanks adaptr :) I'll do that [09:52] slava_dp: raiding the swap isnt necessary, but definietyl recommended in that setup [09:53] Zordrak, i still say that LVm is easier [09:53] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [09:53] if its not necessary its not easier its an added complication [09:54] i even create a mirror raid with one faulty drive when i only have one hdd [09:54] Gulug (proxy@master.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Budd (~daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:54] just in case, i could put another one in [09:54] take that from someone running RAID6 under RAID1 under DRBD under LVM :) [09:54] BrokenCog (~daniel@125.213.207.141) joined ##slackware. [09:54] ehoe [09:55] why eould anyone run that? [09:55] would [09:55] zux1wrk: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/high-availability-storage-with-slackware-drbd-pacemaker/ [09:56] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-87.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:56] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [09:56] i especially refer you to the subtitle: "The Resulting Redundancy" :) [09:56] Action: slackie hi there \o [09:57] Action: zux1wrk off to read the article... [09:57] Zordrak, I have to make / into / and /var (my htdocs and mysql dirs will be big). so I'll try with lvm. [09:57] bah :) [09:58] and I'll put swap inside lvm too, and only have md0 and md1. [09:58] should be sweet. [09:58] just make sure you do double metadata :) [09:58] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-15.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] eh? how is that done? [09:58] youll come across it in the lvm initialisation docs [09:58] ok [10:02] hmm? [10:02] did i miss something in the LVM documents? [10:03] its friday afternoon.. i dont know anymore! [10:03] im sure its lvm where its relevant [10:03] ill try and check without losing my sanity [10:04] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:05] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-189-016.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:05] LTL2h (~LTL2h_@AToulouse-258-1-47-34.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:05] pvcreate --metadatacopies 2 --metadatatype lvm2 -vv /duv/foo [10:05] *dev [10:05] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-189-016.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] \o/ Internet connection sharing working [10:07] 'grats [10:07] allend (~allend@CPE-124-180-199-76.lns7.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:10] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [10:11] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:14] <_RadioHead> hi slava_dp Zordrak [10:15] have you seen this icon before? I think I've seen it somewhere before. I would like to find the original image [10:16] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: i fixed issue on my X with intel :) actualy pat fixed after update , some unresolve symbols resolved :) [10:16] which icon? [10:16] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-221-15.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:17] _RadioHead, kernel 2.6.33? [10:17] sorry, I forgot the link, this icon: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5636/unixsmoke.png [10:17] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: yes [10:17] _RadioHead, I prefer 2.6.32 :) [10:19] Gr1nch (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [10:19] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: i am compiling .33 now , can`t install nvidia drivers , bah and after update -current i can`t access a samba share ( symbolic link folder). trying to see why :) [10:19] What can I use instead of github? [10:24] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [10:25] what would be the best way to monitor actual CPU performance in slackware? [10:26] Axius, gitorious? [10:26] zux1wrk: be more clear what you want to achieve [10:26] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [10:26] thrice`: ok ,thank you. [10:26] something like the windows task manager performance monitor [10:26] htop (SBo) [10:26] Axius (~fd@92.85.214.168) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:27] it could be console based [10:27] oh [10:27] hi guys o/ 8oD [10:27] ok, i'll try [10:27] doesnt graph output [10:27] realtime dada [10:27] *data [10:28] zux1wrk: I'm curious what you think "actual CPU performance" is [10:28] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [10:28] usage [10:28] bad english? :D [10:28] what makes it actual ? is it more real than normal CPU usage ? [10:29] i want to see what processes use the CPU's [10:29] top is provided with slack but isnt as good as htop [10:29] htop it is then [10:29] and about top [10:29] it shows 70% idle [10:29] and 100% on one process [10:29] please.. top is a bitchslapped braindead orphan bastard child of two idiots compared to htop [10:29] indeed [10:29] that means that the one process is using 30% CPU? [10:30] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: l8r [10:30] no, you're reading it wrong. one process cannot consume 100% CPU and have 70% idle left [10:31] that's how it's showing it to me, that why i started thinking that this isn't exactly right [10:31] be aware top is shit when it comes to multiple cores (real or virtual) and htop might make it MUCH clearer [10:31] ahaa [10:31] i have 2x dual core xeon on the box [10:31] sbopkg -i htop [10:32] sbopkg is right now syncing [10:32] Gulug (proxy@master.gulug.com.br) left irc: [10:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:33] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-63.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] while you're at it, install most as well [10:34] it's less squared [10:34] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [10:34] ok [10:34] :) [10:34] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@212.251.108.53.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: the poul......... :) [10:35] most is part of current, no? [10:35] yeah [10:35] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-25-149.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [10:36] hmm [10:36] didn't find a package named most [10:36] zux1wrk: ^ [10:36] this is not current [10:36] but there is a most command... [10:36] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:36] >.< [10:36] so i'll just shut up [10:37] most is not very friendly to me. Shift+G asks for a line num. [10:37] slava_dp: ew [10:37] zux1wrk: good. now set it as PAGER [10:37] i never use more/most [10:37] slava_dp: and you would like it to do - what ? [10:37] less is good imo [10:37] never got any use for them [10:38] slava_dp: colored man pages. nuff said [10:38] adaptr, jump to the end, in vi traditions. [10:38] just as i thought, that bitchy application is using one core... [10:38] less if i need to view, vim if i need to edit [10:38] ah, vi, the hate of my life [10:38] tada [10:38] Zordrak++ [10:38] Action: zux1wrk off [10:38] vi? hate? [10:38] <3 vim [10:38] vi = good [10:38] vim = love [10:38] hence why i hate the POS 32-core sparc processor thats here [10:38] cos gzipping several gig takes FOREVER cos its single threaded [10:38] vi = horrible for somebody who has used DOS boxes for 25 years [10:39] adaptr, adapt :) [10:39] people who have used DOS boxes for 25 years = horrible [10:39] Zordrak: time to install pigz [10:39] :) (which includes my mum ;) ) [10:39] mc, the one thing DOS had before Unix did [10:39] mc is horrible too :) [10:39] and..why ? [10:39] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Action: slava_dp does it all by hand. [10:40] globs, pushd/popd, etc [10:40] ananke: meh.. i prefer deprecating and selling the sparc box and replacing it with xeon slack :) [10:40] don't try to draw me out on mc, I will pound you into the sand of the desert! [10:40] mwahaha [10:40] Zordrak: all it takes is a single compile and you have parallel gzip [10:40] but yeah, ditch that sparc :) [10:40] ananke: yeah.. i still prefer my soln :) [10:42] Action: ananke was pigz'in 10TB of old data last week [10:42] into one file? [10:43] nope. i had about 15mil files. each one was compressed individually [10:43] *nod* [10:43] i wouldn't bother with a single archive. damage that, and everything is useless [10:43] > why i asked [10:46] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:49] effy11 (~d56b3615@gateway/web/freenode/x-ttmgtnnaifhhhcvx) joined ##slackware. [10:50] whover said compiling php the way I did would break it was right [10:50] lol [10:50] shame you didnt listen [10:50] yeah [10:51] caoliver (~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Slackbuild wasn't working so I just "./configure" "make" "make install" 'ed it [10:52] and of course the directory changed [10:53] and I forgot to change the config [10:53] the snlackbuild is just a configure make install with all the options set correctly [10:53] you should have troubleshooted the problem and fixed the build [10:54] ok [10:54] well, surely fixing php is just a case of changing file directories isn't it? [10:55] im not even gonna touch that [10:55] snackbuild! mmm [10:55] once its been mashed and broken.. anything further is just a bodge [10:55] Action: adaptr installs snackware [10:56] ok [10:56] slackware + dropline gnome = snackware? (bloated and fat) [10:56] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-25-149.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:57] TwinkieWM [10:57] nomnomnom [10:57] the Mars Status Bar [10:57] haha [10:57] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:58] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E733E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:01] *burp* [11:01] it seems that the apache config files have dissapeared, unless I have teh wrong directory [11:02] *the [11:02] stuart___ (~stuart@115.135.231.82) joined ##slackware. [11:02] i guys, i'll build an iso snapshot now, for testing purposes only :) [11:03] slackandrew (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [11:03] 8o) [11:04] what's the apache directory, just to check [11:04] Gulug (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:06] snackware hahaa [11:07] slackware + ???? = smackware, xD [11:07] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.18.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:07] brainvision (~brainvisi@host66-39-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [11:09] effy11: find / -name configfiles.. [11:09] source/n/openssh/openssh-5.4p1.tar.gz: extra field of 261 bytes ignored [11:10] eldragon: there is no apache directory [11:10] dman tabfails [11:10] effy11: there is no apache directory [11:11] ok [11:11] effy11: the install prefix is /usr [11:11] ok [11:11] as with everything else in slack [11:11] Zordrak, i'll use nginx or lighttpd instead of apache [11:11] /usr/lib/httpd [11:12] and /var/log/httpd and /etc/httpd etc etc [11:12] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:13] ok [11:14] check this out. googles tentacles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfV6RzE30 [11:14] um. no. [11:15] seriously [11:15] oh seriously check it out? [11:15] well in that case.... um. no. [11:16] its a skit from an aussie comedic current affairs show which bluntly describes googles reach into IT [11:17] better. [11:17] stuart___ (~stuart@115.135.231.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:17] i think it is important - better than i could put into words anyway [11:18] taxpayer channel no less [11:18] making php again, I know it's done for but I might as well try [11:19] Jimmen (~Devilman@host137-61-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [11:21] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Action: phrag celebrates a very good day with a custard donut \o/ [11:24] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:25] check this out. googles tentacles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfV6RzE30 [11:26] 16:21:12 how do I get op status to make this the channel headline? For some reason everyone in FOSS has a soft spot for google - fuck knows why - FOSS search engine methinks [11:26] 1. Dont PM without permission. [11:26] almost as crap a mmicrophage [11:26] 2. You dont get ops in here. Ever. [11:27] git works on port 9418 ? [11:28] you can always make your own channel [11:28] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:29] caoliver (oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [11:31] b_j_x: please stop spamming the channel, thanks [11:34] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn2-212-50-134-151.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] mac-: yes, git-daemon listens on 9418 by default [11:34] mac-: you can change that with --port= [11:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:36] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [11:37] guaxinim (~guax@189.4.99.206) joined ##slackware. [11:37] guaxinim (~guax@189.4.99.206) left irc: Changing host [11:37] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [11:38] phrag: those are tcp or udp packets there ? [11:38] I have to forward it on my home router, thats why asking it [11:40] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:41] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-141-179.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:41] lauNd (~thiago@189.8.84.20) joined ##slackware. [11:42] b_j_x: stop PMing me. [11:43] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [11:44] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] _RadioHead (~slack@217.170.244.6) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:45] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@ip251.216.145.102.nas.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Zordrak, do you know how to automatically ignore all pms? [11:45] i think there are two methods, from your client and server side [11:46] i dont want to ignore all PMs. I use them quite often. Just dont want some tosser randomly leaping on me as his private go-to guy for braindead questions [11:46] you can accept or exempt people from pming [11:46] hm [11:47] if you initiate a pm, it overrides the ignore [11:47] will inv at some point [11:48] you'd type /ignore -p *!*@* [11:48] then when you want to exempt someone type /ignore -x [11:48] when you don't want to exempt that person anymore /ignore -r [11:49] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-141-179.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:49] you never even know if they try to pm you [11:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:53] what exactly does load avarage mean? [11:53] google it [11:53] ehh :( [11:53] in short its the ratio of requested tasks to avaliable processincg time [11:53] its an indicator of how busy the system is [11:53] so if it's more than 1? [11:53] then system is overloaded? [11:53] below 1 is light over 1 is heavier [11:53] more being requested than can be provided [11:54] yeah [11:54] but its over an interval [11:54] hence the Google It [11:55] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:55] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:56] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:59] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:03] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:03] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:10] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-227-90.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-227-90.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [12:10] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [12:11] oh man, my webcam's not supported [12:13] just installed slackware on the dell D620 [12:13] looks good [12:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-57-4.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Shuren (~Devilman@host137-61-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:18] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:19] damn, this is umm.... [12:19] http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/11/142257/Accidental-Wii-Suicide?art_pos=32 [12:19] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:19] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:24] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:24] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:25] strankan (~strankan@c-99cc70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:26] crazy hicks [12:27] the father of the child said while fluffing his mullet, "this er not my fault, git er done" [12:27] they shouldn't let 3 year olds drink and play with guns [12:28] lol [12:28] they definitely shouldn't let them drink, their tolerance sucks :P [12:29] they get sloppy on half a beer [12:29] half? try a sip [12:29] they shouldn't let anyone with a mullet own a child [12:30] It's also called being a responsible parent, not only for the gun part, but for the Wii part. Who lets their three year-old play shooting games on the Wii? <--- i mean really... >.> [12:30] why would anyone have a white plastic rectangular hand gun lying around anyway [12:30] it was a black controller [12:30] Necos, it's also being a responsible person to not have a mullet. [12:30] Necos, they're always blaming it on blacks man [12:31] heh [12:31] man, thats as dumb and the gun club who let an 8year boy shoot an uzi on full auto and it climbed and he shot himself in the head and died [12:32] Skywise, because they're afraid of "terrorism", they think alladin is gonna fly here on a magic carpet and shoot the place up, so they teach their kids to be ignorant [12:32] you let your kid fire a gun when they're mature enough, they can handle it and understand everything about a gun [12:33] you can't teach a kid about recoil with an uzi on full auto [12:33] effy11 (~d56b3615@gateway/web/freenode/x-ttmgtnnaifhhhcvx) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:33] sure you can [12:33] how old were you when you learned about recoil ? [12:33] if you don't mind them getting perforated [12:33] i didn't fire a full auto weapon until i was in the military [12:34] i've still yet to fire a full auto weapon [12:34] the kid was prolly too panicked to release the trigger [12:34] anyway, i never heard of that story [12:34] well even in the military, you start with single and then go to 3 round bursts and full auto is discouraged cause it just wastes ammo [12:35] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] it was just on slashdot too [12:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:35] mikee (~mikee@2a01:270:0:ffff:ffff:90b2:0:2) joined ##slackware. [12:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] cool [12:36] phrag: apologise for my shite and or inarticulate IRC etiquette. Too used to real people [12:36] the original story was in the ny times [12:36] http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/11/us/AP-US-Boy-Uzi-Death.html?_r=2&ref=us [12:36] slackandrew (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:38] Yivz (~yiv@adsl-145-165-107.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [12:45] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:45] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:45] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Axius (~fd@109.97.45.197) joined ##slackware. [12:47] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [12:47] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [12:47] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [12:47] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.23.168.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:51] chroot (~root@122.161.67.66) joined ##slackware. [12:51] np.. we aren't real, just a figment of the ether [12:51] now i know why people facebook, they dont know irc. [12:52] hi [12:52] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] nick4_ (~fffeop@188.4.142.157.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:52] i have to know mandriva is based on slackware ! [12:52] lol what [12:52] lol :o [12:52] why ? [12:53] i hope that's not true [12:53] hmm i confused which is the best distro for me [12:53] can u tell me [12:53] it's redhat based, basic googling would tell you that [12:53] i would never use mandriva [12:53] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:53] No, we can't tell you, you need to try different ones out and decide for yourself. [12:53] liar jeev [12:53] jeev are u from India ? [12:53] \o phrag [12:54] hiya [12:54] chroot, no [12:54] thrice`, stop, i'll the picture of your room i took last time i was over [12:54] hmmm any slackware distribution about 700mb iso ? [12:54] i dread to think o.0 [12:54] ok whatever, http://blogs.trb.com/features/consumer/shopping/blog/br_rm_hannacanopy.jpg ] [12:55] were you the one breathing really loud and stuff? that was creepy :/ [12:55] chroot: the first cd is enough to install slackware base, without kde and extra [12:55] ha ha, nice [12:55] I mean, that's not mine [12:55] should i use slax [12:55] how often does mirrors.usc.edu update [12:55] its based on slackware [12:55] it's always outdated [12:55] for slack [12:56] chroot: what you've just done is the linux equivalent of walking into a meeting of a Ford Mustang Owners' Club and ask "Which car is best for me?" [12:56] lol [12:56] chroot, if you want to use slackware, then use slackware. if you don't, then leave :> [12:56] hey, fib|rider [12:56] er, fir|bride [12:56] hey glint|amounts [12:56] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.23.168.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:56] err, Urchlay [12:56] hmm i don't know why there are so amny distro for linux [12:57] Urchlay: heh [12:57] *many [12:57] chroot: because anybody who wants to make one, can [12:57] why i use slackware or debian [12:57] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [12:57] why indeed [12:57] the software is free and open, you can just grab all the pieces and make your own distro [12:58] as to why, well, some people enjoy doing that sort of thing, you know [12:58] its like asking why there are so many recipes for chicken [12:58] why did the recipe cross the road? [12:58] hmmm so any linux is better for me for learning linux :) [12:58] something to do with chicken [12:59] because Col. Sanders never released his One True Recipe before he died, or else we'd all be using that! [12:59] Is that Kernel Sanders 2.6.33? [12:59] ok debian is better for me its has rich packages [12:59] yes debian is definitely better for you [12:59] O.o [13:00] i think it's better for all of us that debian is better for you [13:00] =D [13:00] chroot: rich packages? [13:00] and for us. since you'll be pestering ##debian and not ##slackware :) [13:00] yup [13:00] mancha: yeah. But the recipe is embedded as a binary blob, you can't just edit & recompile your Colonel... [13:00] chroot: slackware is good for actually 'learning linux', but you will be expected to read and proactively learn, as opposed to being led [13:01] lol [13:01] ha [13:01] phrag, you just put the nail in the coffin ^.^ [13:02] heya Necos [13:02] it was between the nail and my thumb [13:02] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:02] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.23.168.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:03] nick4 (fffeop@188.4.23.168.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. [13:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:04] i bet someone is working on "EnlargeYourPenisLinux" [13:04] heya fire|bird [13:05] phrag, good point :P [13:05] phrag +1 [13:06] ok lets try slackware =D [13:06] Nuked (~Nuked@unaffiliated/nuked) joined ##slackware. [13:08] bye [13:08] :) [13:09] cya [13:11] good luck chroot [13:12] jeev ill get on that now [13:13] heh [13:14] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] jeev: isn't that called gentoo? [13:15] lauNd (~thiago@189.8.84.20) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [13:15] chroot (~root@122.161.67.66) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:16] drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] phrag++ [13:18] couldn't resist =P [13:19] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:20] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Nuked (~Nuked@unaffiliated/nuked) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2-dev [13:20] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-57-4.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [13:22] Skrimpz (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-faxydwoqjnfimayr) joined ##slackware. [13:23] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:23] halo [13:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:24] how many sheevaplugs could one fit in a cabinet [13:25] that'd be fun [13:25] your head on a stick would be fun [13:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] yea [13:28] Axius (~fd@109.97.45.197) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:28] :D [13:29] effy11 (~d56b3615@gateway/web/freenode/x-fyqnybwvmfvfklzy) joined ##slackware. [13:29] mwuahah i just got a yahtzee on my first hand [13:29] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:30] is there any way to convert from slackware 13 32bit to slackware 13 64bit? [13:30] I'm guessing no but it's worth asking [13:30] effy11: no [13:31] theoretically, I think [13:32] but you'd have to boot a 64-bit kernel and do some careful upgradepkg-ing [13:32] ?? 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[13:38] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:38] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [13:38] chee (root@unaffiliated/chee) left ##slackware ("=^.^="). [13:39] ikar_ (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:41] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:43] effy11: dont try to upgrade 32-64...i mean unless you really want a challenge [13:43] ok [13:43] :) [13:44] is there a way to install slackware from a running system [13:44] Skrimpz: network install? [13:44] network install with...a vm? [13:45] Skrimpz: errr dunno about that. like, two physical systems and install on one with files from the other? [13:45] no like run slackware, and install slackware to another partition from slackware [13:46] like installpkg -root [13:46] diabolix (~jsoyke@206.210.81.55) joined ##slackware. [13:46] but less manually :p [13:46] Skrimpz: boot to an installer (like from usb), choose where to install, install from mounted hdd [13:46] can anyone tell me, why someone would do this: tar cf - $d | (cd /usr/gnat; tar xf -); [13:46] mount the install dvd on loop and run it [13:46] I am at a loss. [13:46] diabolix, to back up a whole dir and preserve perms [13:46] mancha: run it......? [13:47] mancha, back up? [13:47] copy [13:47] mancha, so, cp doesn't preserve permissions? [13:47] it is copying ./$d to /usr/gnat/$d [13:48] cp -a $d /usr/gnat/ [13:48] i think we just need an mv --nounlink option [13:48] yeah or cp -a [13:48] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@ip251.216.145.102.nas.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:49] qneo (~knao@adsl-d12.84-47-86.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:51] the installer script for some commercial compiler does that, I was just confuzzled. [13:52] cp -s includes preserve, so permissions, mode etc would be kept [13:53] diabolix, the owner.group is not always preserved [13:54] someone has asked me permission to deposit 20 million british pounds in my bank account... [13:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:55] mancha: I don't think you need permission for that [13:55] mancha: to hold it safely for them and you receive a percentage after? :P [13:55] I once had a bsd user tell me that copying large directories with tar and using -j was better, because it compressed it and had less data to transfer. [13:55] mancha: give me your credit card number and I'll pay your bill! no way could that go wrong [13:55] :) [13:56] diabolix: lol [13:56] diabolix, i can provide intelligent reasons to do things with tar [13:56] tar -j ?? [13:56] you seem fixated on this though, if you like cp, then keep using it. [13:56] no you cant [13:56] I can too, I don't think that either of these situations qualify. [13:56] Axius (~fd@109.97.45.197) joined ##slackware. [13:57] mancha: thats called 419 scam [13:57] niggerian 419 [13:57] Skrimpz: nigerian.. [13:57] maybe the bsd user had a network connection in mind... [13:57] yeah [13:58] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:58] I use it to strip certain files during a copy operation. also, i have found that 'ssh host tar zf - file | tar xf -' is faster than scp on some platforms. [13:58] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:58] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:59] diabolix: hacker [14:00] you're very strange [14:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] interesting, i've not benchmarked scp versus tar/ssh [14:00] also haven't compared to sftp, to be honest. [14:01] https://samanon.com/app/index.php/download [14:01] though if your big bottleneck is bandwidth then sure, end-side compression is your friend [14:02] actually I think its because I was on windows. the tar command was native, but scp was built with cygwin. [14:03] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.239) joined ##slackware. [14:03] windows has native tar? [14:03] native as in, not build with cygwin. [14:03] oh, not running with the cygwin dll you mean? [14:03] right. [14:03] cygwin makes windows useable [14:04] it does. arguably, it is sometimes easier to hack windows into behaving like a unix than it is to get linux to runon crappy hardware. [14:04] Skrimpz: I used cygwin for a few minutes once and hated it, though the person probably had it configured oddly [14:05] its good [14:05] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [14:05] cygwin is configured badly by default. [14:05] you can compile unix source code with it [14:05] cygwin is actually a great development, my hat's off to redhat on that one [14:05] ive compiled squid and privoxy no problem...which is pretty good [14:06] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-57-4.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:06] cygwin is also a nice way to set up services on your win box (httpd, sshd, etc) and not have to rely on closed source (malware?) [14:07] i use rsync and sshd on windows also [14:07] rsyncd/rsync [14:07] then again, some argue the whole OS is closed source malware, so who knows [14:07] I write code that is native on windows, but I love developing with vim in a screen session, so I use cygwin to edit code and get a decent shell. [14:08] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:08] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:08] diabolix: what kind of code? [14:10] c, c++, ada, fortran, whatever kind i'm being paid to develope. [14:10] http://www.quake2live.net/aef/index.php?act=news [14:10] i need a mythril developer [14:11] mythril? why do you need mythril, its like an obscure hacker language. [14:11] can you program in mythril? [14:11] what isnt [14:12] besides VBA/.net [14:12] <|slackin|> GOOOOD Afternoon! How is everyone today? [14:13] zux1wrk (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [14:13] still at work :( [14:14] like any good programmer, the language I use is mostly secondary to the project i'm working on. [14:14] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:14] I'd like to have the kernel use more swap and memory (I want more memory for disk caches), how can I do it? changing /proc/sys/vm/swapiness doesn't seem to help [14:15] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:15] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Nick change: drakevr -> Drakevr [14:16] Nick change: Gulug -> IceW [14:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-57-4.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [14:16] where is the website for mythril? i can't seem to find on the google machine... [14:17] http://mythryl.org/ [14:18] ah, thanks. I was spelling it wrong. [14:19] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:20] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Camarade_Tux: on my system, free reports only 188MB of 1.5GB not committed to processes or cache already (with no tuning) .. is yours not similar? [14:24] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.21.179) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Hi [14:25] hackedhead: 3.5GB for a single process and I'd like to swap out parts of this process [14:25] errr, I mean, more of this process [14:25] aaah. [14:25] ^.^ [14:25] maybe nice cna help you? [14:26] just make that process low priority? [14:26] strankan (~strankan@c-99cc70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:26] i wanna to get louder sound on my laptop is there any way? [14:26] some time ago i read something about, but can't remember where [14:27] acidtripper: buy bigger speakers? [14:27] lol :P [14:27] or bigger ears [14:27] mancha: ++ [14:27] or just headphones [14:27] 3 solutions, quick as that. =] [14:27] but the idea is to play a little bit with speaker limit [14:27] we're good [14:27] Camarade_Tux: /sys/kernel/slab/fs_cache ? [14:27] ;) [14:27] acidtripper: alsamixer? [14:28] yes, but i wanna pass that limits [14:28] Camarade_Tux: set an rlimit? [14:28] i mean a way to "overclock" speaker lol [14:28] fred 65MB of memory and the app I wanted to swap more aggressively now runs *much* faster [14:28] acidtripper: that's getting bigger speakers. [14:29] I need a bigger disk cache =/ [14:29] try google [14:29] Camarade_Tux: it's a tradeoff. have you tried changing the scheduler ? [14:29] acidtripper: short of that, you'd have to do things beyond the scope of this channel, and sound quality would suffer _greatly_ [14:29] adaptr: well, I can't do that on the fly [14:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:29] um, yes you can [14:30] why would you want to overclck your sound card? [14:30] hackedhead: i wanna increase volume out of alsamixer limits [14:31] that jsut seems silly to me meh [14:31] and is not overclock, [14:31] acidtripper: that's impossible without hacking the physical hardware. [14:31] i see [14:31] i was an analogy to explain the idea [14:31] um [14:31] get an exteranl aplifierier [14:31] really the only way i can think of [14:31] SirLinux (~SirLinux@unaffiliated/sirlinux) joined ##slackware. [14:31] toastytoast: that would also require external speakers [14:31] yes, i'll have to but a home theater as soon as i move to apartment [14:31] which he already ruled out, as far as i can tell [14:32] anh you could do some splicing and jimmy rig it [14:32] right now im on a hostel, and did course to get insid [14:32] e [14:32] university [14:32] i need some help : i want to install slackware on hp laptop .. and cfdisk doesn't work ... i get some errors [14:32] buy* [14:32] what errors ? [14:32] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) joined ##slackware. [14:32] have you tried fdisk or parted ? [14:32] FATAL ERROR : bad primary partition 3 [14:32] acidtripper: there is no way to make laptop speakers go louder than alsamixer's max. even if there was, it'd either sound really extremely bad, or permanently damage the speaker cones. [14:32] is the disk ok? [14:33] SirLinux: ah. do you plan on using the whole disk ? [14:33] yea is [14:33] _and_ damage* [14:33] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:33] no adaptr :) [14:33] SirLinux: any data you want to keep ? [14:33] SirLinux: maybe you'r not specifying disk [14:33] never used cfdisk, does fdisk work? [14:33] Skrimpz: no /sys/kernel/slab/fs_cache [14:33] to keep the windows adaptr [14:33] so it wouldn't require external speakers jsut a little bit of wire some wire strippers and duct tape... or electrical tape but duct tape or electric tape would work [14:34] toastytoast: it's possible, i suppose, but you'll still probably damage the cones. [14:34] toastytoast: not to mention how bad it'll sound. [14:34] yes, there is a mono speaker [14:34] and :S it sucks [14:34] so somebody can help me with the fdisk commands ? [14:34] good sound taking into account what is it [14:35] acidtripper: and you want it to sound worse at higher volume? =\ [14:35] cfdisk /dev/sda [14:35] because when i type cfdisk .. i get "FATAL ERROR BAD PRIMARY PARTITION" [14:35] cfdisk /dev/sdb [14:35] lol yeah but possible still [14:35] jsut pick somthign liek this up and mess round abit [14:35] depending on #df [14:35] http://www.amazon.com/Boostaroo-Revolution%C2%AE-Headphone-Amplifier-Enhancer/dp/B0007NIOK8 [14:35] would i recomend it no [14:35] use df to see drives [14:35] toastytoast: not in any meaningful way, afa i'm concerned. [14:35] FATAL ERROR : cannot open disk driver " when i type cfdisk /dev/sdb [14:36] Action: hackedhead goes back to his earbuds. [14:36] SirLinux: fdisk -l [14:36] toastytoast: so i would need that and a home theater [14:37] i type it skalkoto_ .. i get a list [14:37] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp78-4.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:37] line out >amplifier>home [14:37] SirLinux: ok, only the /sd? or /hd? drives exist [14:37] only the ones it shows [14:38] sda or hda must work [14:38] if it's a laptop [14:38] for example cfdisk /dev/sdq on my machine says unable to open disk drive [14:38] with 1 hd [14:38] Skrimpz only sda1, sda2, sda3, sda4 [14:38] because sdq doesnt exist [14:38] SirLinux: ok so cfdisk /dev/sda [14:38] thats all you get [14:39] Skrimpz FATAL ERROR : BAD PRIMARY PARTITION 3 [14:39] pastebin your fdisk -l output [14:39] and df -T -h output [14:41] i get a list [14:41] Camarade_Tux: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/red-hat-31/how-to-increase-disk-cache-and-maximize-ram-usage-593400/ [14:41] SirLinux: PASTEBIN.com [14:41] i go here [14:41] there ? [14:41] i can't paste man [14:41] i'm on the other laptop [14:41] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:42] SirLinux: so type it into pastebin [14:42] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:42] SirLinux: well is there any data you need on that computer? [14:42] or are you trying to wipe the drive? [14:43] i will type into paste bin [14:43] a minute please [14:44] I'll have to leave the process for now, hope it'll be finished by the time I get back [14:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:45] tooly (~theo@e178144022.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:45] http://pastebin.com/tLZr3EZh [14:45] Skrimpz : http://pastebin.com/tLZr3EZh [14:46] LOL [14:46] wow okay....anyway [14:46] what are you trying to do with your drive? [14:46] i'll tell you how to do it [14:46] hmmmm [14:47] the iso snapshot w/ my refined isolinux/iso.sort was created correctly, and booted perfectly :) [14:47] Skrimpz i want to keep windows 7 and slackware ! [14:47] side by side [14:47] :) [14:47] SirLinux: which one is installed [14:47] windows 7 [14:48] is installed .. now i want to install slackware [14:48] do you know which partition it is on? [14:48] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [14:48] i need the fdisk -l information [14:49] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] sda2 is the windows [14:49] sda4 is D partition [14:49] sda1 = ? [14:50] sda3 is what im interested in... [14:50] but really all of them, cellphone a picture of fdisk -l heh [14:50] Device : /dev/sda1 | boot : * | Start : 1 | End : 13 | Block : 102400 | id : 7 | system : HPFS/NTFS | [14:51] ok i will make a photo with the cell phone [14:51] ok ? [14:51] kk [14:52] heh, found a simple way actually: run another program and have it allocate a few hundreds MB of memory :-) [14:52] photo with cell? lol copy by hand to pastebin [14:53] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [14:53] i haev 10 partitions \o/ [14:53] Artio (~a@port-3073.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [14:54] skalkoto_ (~skalkoto@ppp079166050237.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:54] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) joined ##slackware. [14:54] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:54] 3 on hda, 4 on sda, 1 on sdd, 1 on sdc, 1 on sdb [14:54] hehe [14:54] uploading the image right now [14:54] sda1 and sdb1 are swap partitions [14:55] you use lvm Skrimpz ? [14:55] no [14:55] Skrimpz: why so many disks? [14:55] ok, I'll admit I am useless when it comes to linux, and so I've had no luck when it comes to fixing php, would anyone be able to Remotley access my slackware and get php 5.3.2 working for me? [14:55] well i have 4 64 gigs on a 3ware 9xxx, but i dont raid them :P [14:56] effy11: backm ? [14:57] effy11: is backm account still there? [14:57] I removed that account [14:57] I can create a new one [14:57] k, pm me [14:57] ill need to get root too though...to fix php [14:57] Skrimpz : http://sirlinux.net/slackware.jpg [14:57] there is the photo with the fdisk -l [14:57] kk [14:58] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.208.15) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:58] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.21.179) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:58] SirLinux: ok well all your partitions are used up....and there is a problem with one, and im not sure if you know which ones are safe to delete (no data on them) [14:59] hmm [14:59] with one ? [14:59] sda1 or sda4 ? [14:59] SirLinux: cd /mnt/; mkdir test; mount /dev/sda1 test/; ls -l test/ [14:59] ok a second [14:59] sda1 is REALLY small and...broken apparently [14:59] you need to do that for each one (use umount test after each) [15:00] find which ones have no files or such [15:01] hmm [15:01] cd /mnt/; mkdir test; mount /dev/sda1 test/; ls -l test/ [15:01] i need to make u another photo [15:01] hehe [15:02] well were there any files in ls -l test/ ? [15:02] yes [15:02] make a note of which partitions have files in them, then umount test/ and do the next one [15:02] it shows me something [15:02] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:02] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:03] wget is the command to download something via the terminal, correct? [15:03] yes [15:04] http://sirlinux.net/test.jpg [15:04] I suppose I could have man'ed it. [15:04] Skrimpz take a look there [15:04] SirLinux, when you does a photo, please, disable the flahs. [15:04] Skrimpz: Thanks for the answer none the less. [15:05] but you understand the photo right ? [15:05] yes SirLinux, you can take photo w/o flash [15:05] yeah...it means there are files in there [15:05] now you umount test/; and check sda2, then 3 then 4, find an empty partition [15:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:06] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:06] SirLinux, it's my partition for 500GB HD: /boot 256MiB (xen's hypervisors + kernels + fsck.ext4 + badblocks) ; swap 16 GiB ; primary / 8GiB excluding /home, /tmp and /opt ; secondary / 8 GiB excluding /home, /tmp and /opt ; hundreds GiB for /home, /tmp linked to /home/tmp, /opt linked to /home/opt ; 80 GiB for WinXP 32-bit SP2 C: ; 24 GiB D: ; 2 GiB E: for pagefile.sys. The primary and secondary / is for updating slackware OS without updating the cur [15:06] rent status of /home (no need for backup). I'll do my own snapshot backup of C: w/o touching D: . [15:07] sda2 = windows man [15:08] on sda2 i have windows 7 [15:08] so we don't touch sda2 [15:08] sd2 = windows [15:09] sda* [15:09] sda4 = D partition ! [15:09] so what i need to do ? [15:09] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:09] i don't know [15:10] on sda3 i have : "$recycle.bin/ and Hewlett-packard [15:10] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] but is not so much memory there [15:10] i need to reside D partition to create a new on for linux .. [15:10] resize* [15:11] SirLinux: get gpartedlive and use that. back up your data first [15:11] Skrimpz ? [15:11] jonathas (~jonathas@200.160.111.63) joined ##slackware. [15:11] ok [15:11] Nick change: jonathas -> openbash [15:11] I don't have important files on D:/ Partition .. [15:12] and i can resize it without problems [15:12] sda3 must be the hp backup partition [15:12] Skaperen i can resize the D partition to make a new one for linux ? [15:12] you can either use fdisk /dev/sda and delete partition 3 and partition 4 and recreate a big partition 3, or you can just change the type of partition 4 [15:12] do you even need D [15:13] Ok i will change type of partition 4 [15:13] to install there the linux [15:13] so commands :Pp [15:13] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [15:13] what was on sda4 ? [15:13] fdisk /dev/sda3, T 4, change to 83 ? [15:13] D partition [15:14] ok (i saw hpfs in the pic) [15:14] err [15:14] /dev/sda [15:14] .. [15:14] not sda3 lol [15:14] macius (~macius@i209-195-107-111.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:14] so what i need to do Skrimpz ? [15:14] i can delete the sda4 ( D partition ) without problems [15:14] yeah you just fdisk /dev/sda; press T to change Type, choose partition 4, then change type to 83 [15:14] then press w to write [15:15] you dont need to delete, just chnage the type [15:15] Hex Code ( type L to list codes): [15:15] hey randomly wicd is showing my home network as hidden now yet iwlist scan gives me the essid :S doesnt wicd use iwlist? thinking i have an old version but i have no idea how that makes sense [15:15] i chose T and 4 [15:16] now is something with Hex Codes [15:16] 83 is what you want [15:16] (it's hex) [15:16] i type 83 ? [15:16] yes [15:16] macius: upgrade to 1.7.0 [15:17] Changed system type of partition 4 to 83 (Linux) [15:17] Command (m for help ) [15:17] : [15:17] now ? [15:17] w [15:17] to write [15:17] ok [15:17] if you're serious, (!) [15:17] how much ram do you have... [15:17] 4 gb [15:17] done [15:17] k, good, dont need a swap partition i guess [15:17] heh [15:18] now i need to reboot right ? [15:18] otherwise we would need to delete 4 and create 2 more...and you already used 4 primary partitions, so that would be bad [15:18] because : The new table will be used at the next reboot [15:18] you can reboot, i dont think you have to [15:18] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:18] then [15:18] i type Setup [15:18] ? [15:18] cdisk tells linux about the newpartitions on exit [15:19] not found trhodes [15:19] :) [15:19] lowercase ? [15:19] not found :) [15:19] Skrimpz ? :) [15:19] cfdisk ? [15:20] ls usr/lib/setup/setup [15:20] hmmm, anyone using FF 3.6 yet? [15:20] whoops, /usr/lib/setup/setup [15:21] Necos: yes, on my laptop [15:21] any noticeable difference? besides the new persona thing? [15:21] not too much, the session restore is finer grained [15:22] since I crash it so much, that's what I noticed first :) [15:22] lol [15:22] SirLinux: what exactly is "not found" ? [15:23] we have a t?z of it in -current yet? [15:23] done [15:23] yes [15:23] guess i'll upgrade [15:23] :) [15:24] now the instalation is started [15:24] oh, FF 3.6 has nicer widgets (at least I like them better), but I duno about the URL bar [15:24] but i get errors on instalation [15:24] in what part of the installation / what kind of error ? [15:24] Installing packages [15:24] but now works ok [15:25] let's see hows going the instalation [15:25] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:25] WARNING: Package has not been created with "makepkg" [15:26] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:26] weird. [15:27] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:28] using ? [15:28] still hit OK [15:28] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.88.57) joined ##slackware. [15:28] installpkg error 1 [15:28] huh [15:28] may be corrupt [15:28] you are posting just worthless stuff [15:28] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [15:29] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [15:29] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [15:30] did you verify that the iso downloaded correctly [15:30] is downloaded from slackware.com [15:30] ;) [15:30] yes...did. you. verify. it. [15:30] perfectly downloaded [15:30] yes [15:30] also, i've had troubles with used DVD-RW's begin corrupt [15:30] *begin [15:30] *being [15:31] lol [15:31] llo [15:31] one of those days... [15:31] you did md5sum blah.iso [15:31] yup, differenet keyboard atm -- feels funny :) [15:32] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp78-4.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:32] also, can he verify the media itself ? [15:34] synbiose (~synbiose@a89-155-69-32.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:35] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: \o\ /o/ \o/ [15:35] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:40] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:40] openbash (~jonathas@200.160.111.63) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:42] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Quit: 221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.2-dev [15:43] Crimius (crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) left ##slackware. [15:43] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-27-183.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] hello [15:43] I havew a wireless infrared keyboard [15:44] that I want to useon slack on a laptop that has infrared enavbled on vbios [15:44] how to [15:46] ok .. [15:46] Skrimpz [15:47] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.97.225) joined ##slackware. [15:47] i tryed to install and i get a lot of errors on instalation setup (installpkg error #1) [15:47] on all packages [15:50] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:51] Saul__ (501@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] effy11 here, I've forgot who it was who was helping me lol [15:51] Nick change: Saul__ -> Sault [15:51] effy11 (~d56b3615@gateway/web/freenode/x-fyqnybwvmfvfklzy) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:51] Nick change: Sault -> SaulC [15:52] Nick change: SaulC -> effy11 [15:52] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-27-183.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:57] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:57] synbiose (~synbiose@a89-155-69-32.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Quit: gone.. [15:58] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-lcgvwxniovdtagjk) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [16:01] SirLinux (~SirLinux@unaffiliated/sirlinux) left irc: [16:03] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:05] Is is possible to run the setup scripts when the install is done? [16:07] yes, "pkgtool" [16:07] Axius (~fd@109.97.45.197) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:12] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0E152.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:14] thrice`, Yea, I knew about that one, but it doesn't appear to have it all, specifically the keyboard setu. [16:14] s/setu/setup [16:15] ThomasLocke: just run setup again and quit out before installing? or just don't reformat anything and just install y/.. or figure out where the scripts alter [16:19] ThomasLocke: /var/log/setup [16:19] Thanks. :o) [16:24] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [16:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421908.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:26] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:27] OldGringo (amigo@p54B0E152.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Client Exiting"). [16:27] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [16:29] IceW (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) left irc: [16:31] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:32] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [16:32] effy11 (501@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:33] a janitor at the place where i work has been there for 20 years. he was this morning given a certificate of achievement and a $75 walmart gift certificate [16:33] ... [16:34] Saul_ (501@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] Artio (~a@port-3073.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:34] back [16:34] Nick change: Saul_ -> effy11 [16:36] antler: that's not bad. [16:36] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:37] thumbs: seriously? can't really do much with 75 bucks these days. [16:38] well, it's a walmart cert... [16:38] at least he can buy some groceries... [16:38] since you can buy EVERYTHING at walmart these days [16:38] Necos: yeah a walmart superstore just opened up in calgary [16:39] exactly my point >.<; [16:39] well, yeah. i suppose one dollar is better than no dollars. [16:40] but 20 years, though, man. that's a quarter a man's life. [16:40] perhaps [16:40] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.225.185.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] well, just imagine if he was a carmaker in detroit... [16:41] they'd have told him "sorry, we're moving production to mexico", slap him on the ass, and send him home. [16:42] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] the slap on the ass would be if his boss REALLY liked him [16:44] true enough >.> [16:45] i've often wondered, if i were in the president of a company, whether i would buy something like a watch worth a few hundred bucks to give to a person for 20 years of service. [16:45] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:46] our company does that at 20 years [16:46] but it's a "choose from the catalogue" kinda thing, I think [16:46] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4A804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [16:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:47] employees probably really appreciate that kinda thing; they probably feel more appreciated as well [16:47] thrice`^^ [16:47] but these are tough times, i think. [16:48] a couple hundred bucks isn't much, though [16:48] "choose from the catalogue" is still better than nothing :P [16:48] well, I work for a medium-sized company though [16:48] Necos, well, "choose something around $500 from here" [16:48] hell, a company dinner would even be nice [16:49] or a picnic day or somethin... >.> [16:49] adaptr: but you're right -- they don't gotta do shit. [16:49] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [16:50] your company doesn't do stuff like that? [16:50] then again, i work for LAUSD... they're in the news right now [16:50] they're talking about 16% pay cuts >.> [16:51] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [16:51] we get little stuff every so often, like donuts at our company meetings, cookouts for the 4th of july, etc. just little things to keep you happy [16:51] thrice`: the one i work for right now does some stuff. i've never seen anyone get anything over a hundred bucks, though. [16:52] instead they keep asking for money -- money for the red cross, haiti, etc... [16:53] >.> [16:55] Necos: you teach? [16:55] effy11 (501@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:55] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:56] IT staff [16:57] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-170-215-92.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Saul_ (~Saul@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Nick change: Saul_ -> effy11 [17:01] hello [17:02] hello [17:02] effy11: is the video better? [17:02] hi Skrimpz, it doesn't half crash during the loading of KDE, and that part's faster [17:02] and audio is crisper [17:02] niceee [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-87.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] ok, then you are all set [17:03] so... I need to set the root password for mySQL, what is that again... [17:04] mysql -u root -p.....hmm its been a while [17:04] look it up i guess [17:05] ok [17:05] or reset it? [17:05] ugh, gxine's plugins are broken =/ [17:05] yes [17:06] i always remove the gxine plugins so they dont start in my browsers and not work [17:06] gxine is pretty terrible in general [17:06] yeh [17:06] i thought t hey were in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libgxine or something [17:06] maybe i already deleted mine [17:07] v4nelle (~van@188.4.229.108.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:08] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [17:10] BrokenCog (~daniel@125.213.207.141) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:10] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:11] nah, it was something to do with CD [17:12] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [17:12] maybe because the CD drive was open :P [17:12] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [17:13] uva (~uva@114-25-205-150.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:13] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:14] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] hmmm, i wonder if inkscape and gimp installers have options for unintended installs on windows [17:15] unintended, installing without meaning too? [17:15] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos [17:15] *unattended [17:15] lol [17:16] sorry, it was a brianfart :P [17:16] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird back [17:16] :) [17:16] you have brianfarts ? [17:16] lol [17:17] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [17:17] wouldn't that be nihilist [17:17] it was a joke :P [17:18] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:20] i was writing a small batch script to do some installs of geometer's sketchpad, and was wondering if i could do the same with inkscape and gimp [17:22] Action: antler plucks fire|bird's chest feathers [17:23] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] antler: eh, they were already gone, BBQ grill accident, don't ask. :P [17:23] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [17:24] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:24] sure... you were trying to impress someone and did a 40year old virgin syle waxing [17:24] lol [17:25] he escaped certain death by pulling himself off that grill >.> [17:25] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:25] antler: dammit, ya got me.....the BBQ story sounds better. :P [17:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:26] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:27] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-26-117.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:28] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:28] brainvision (~brainvisi@host66-39-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:37] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:39] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:39] zux1wrk (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Hey guys. [17:40] I could use a little help. [17:41] Trying to isntall flash player 10 and it comes in a .tar.gz archive. [17:41] install* [17:42] have you tried unpacking it? [17:42] Did. [17:42] libflashplayer.so [17:42] I' [17:42] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] I'm a bit new to Slackware so excuse my silly questions :]. [17:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-26-117.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] diabolix (~jsoyke@206.210.81.55) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] Where do I put the libflashplayer.so file :\? [17:43] i'm sure there were some instructions with it [17:43] just copy it to $HOME/.mozilla/plugins [17:44] Necos: Copy and move? [17:44] i didn't think the instructions were that hard :) [17:44] it's either copy or move, not copy and move [17:44] I meant or * [17:45] and, Necos stated *copy* ;) [17:45] effy11 (Saul@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:45] niels__horn (bb597f54@gateway/web/freenode/x-alvaaoeywpwyisbq) left ##slackware. [17:45] i have to get back to writing this document for the uniform committee, so bbl [17:45] I don't have a Plugin directory in my Mozilla folder. [17:46] later Necos [17:46] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [17:48] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] CelestialWurm: i think you can simply create one [17:49] indeed [17:51] is /dev/shm portable? can I store temporary files there instead of /tmp, and assume it is mounted on all distros? [17:52] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.225.185.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-26-117.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:54] slava_dp: dont think so [17:55] drwxrwxrwt 45 root root 5096 2010-03-12 17:53 tmp [17:55] whats rwt [17:56] Fentruck (~Fentruck@24-231-177-221.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:56] btw the western digital mybook elite works with linux, the space left on device dont work in linux but after you set the label in windows it displays ok =) [17:57] =D [17:57] :-D [17:57] Skrimpz, sticky bit [17:58] whast that do [17:58] Skrimpz: it means someone jacked off in tmp [17:58] :D [17:58] google will tell you for sure. [17:58] sticky butt? [17:59] Skrimpz: lol [17:59] geez, that's disgusting >.> [17:59] Skrimpz, "man chmod" too. [17:59] Skrimpz: yeah. man chmod =) [17:59] sticky bit means files / directories can only be deleted by their owner or root [18:00] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.107) joined ##slackware. [18:00] sitcky bit is essential for creating "drop boxes" in samba [18:02] Action: Skrimpz rubs his sticky bits all over Necos's boxes [18:02] oh shit [18:02] Skrimpz, you sick bastard... good thing those boxes are laced with poison for just such an occassion [18:02] Necos: well directories owner [18:02] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Quit: ^D [18:03] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-170-215-92.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:03] snL20, true :) [18:03] PathagenX (~pathagenx@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Action: Skrimpz washes poison off his sticky bits [18:04] if you washed them before they wouldn't be so sticky [18:04] PathagenX (~pathagenx@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Client Quit [18:04] lol [18:05] ewww [18:05] Action: Necos walks away [18:05] they haz a flavor [18:06] PathagenX (~pathagenx@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:07] heaumer (~heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:07] sorry script troubles [18:07] PathagenX (~pathagenx@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Client Quit [18:07] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [18:08] Necos: cumback [18:09] heaumer_ (~heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:09] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:11] PathagenX (~pathagenx@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:11] SUCCESS! [18:11] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.107) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:11] Nick change: [OpenSys] -> OpenSys [18:12] hmmm, anyone know if there's a unix2dos-like utility ob sbo? [18:13] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: [18:14] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:16] No, but Slackware has todos. [18:16] qneo (knao@adsl-d12.84-47-86.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [18:17] ah, well, hell... that's perfect! [18:17] And fromdos to go the other way. [18:17] you could always use the classic/traditional unix tool "tr" [18:17] todos fromdos [18:18] NICEEEE [18:18] gm152, just need to write a batch script to run on my windows boxen :) [18:18] ... the arguments for tr to go either way (DOS to unix or vice-versa) are trivial [18:18] Ah. :) [18:19] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [18:20] hey there [18:20] http://cbs4.com/local/arson.fire.mobile.2.1554103.html hahahahahahahaha [18:22] jeev: #slackware-derptards [18:22] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn2-212-50-134-151.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:23] Fentruck (~Fentruck@24-231-177-221.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:24] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.87.161.20) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:26] what the hell is derp [18:26] im tired of this bullshit jargon people use [18:26] jeev: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derp [18:27] thanks, i'm rdped and lazy [18:27] what an unnecessary word [18:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:30] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:33] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: see y'all [18:34] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [18:35] Constantinegggfg (uaconstant@91.202.130.222) joined ##slackware. [18:35] man, I watch SouthPark and still didn't catch on to derp ... [18:35] ... must be getting slow in my old age [18:40] How should I do to give shm rights to a user ? [18:40] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.97.225) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:41] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Tabmow (~terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [18:44] jeev: meep! [18:45] meep meep mofos [18:45] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:45] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Action: Camarade_Tux gropes jeev [18:46] haw haw jeev now has aids [18:47] heh! wait a minute, I'm not done *yet* :-) [18:47] Constantinegggfg (uaconstant@91.202.130.222) left irc: Quit: Constantinegggfg [18:48] grope your own damn self [18:48] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [18:48] too late, I'm done now :-) [18:49] tooly (theo@e178144022.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [18:52] Action: Skrimpz fingers jeev [18:53] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] usr_local (~usr_local@c-24-98-137-201.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] not interested [18:58] :( [18:58] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skrimpz [19:00] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4A804.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.3/20100223140908] [19:01] Skrimpz: he's only interested in me :-) [19:02] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:03] usr_local (~usr_local@c-24-98-137-201.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:03] usr_local (~usr_local@c-24-98-137-201.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [19:07] gnufan (~hardev@76.91.81.190) joined ##slackware. [19:07] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [19:08] lol [19:09] goarilla (~goarilla@91.180.49.203) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:09] i'm trying to install slax 13 (using DVD iso) on a poweredge w/ i686 P3 proc... do i need to pass any parameters to install slax? [19:09] gnubien, this isn't #slax, also, i think you could just use the install option on boot. [19:10] sorry.. replace slax with slackware [19:10] probably not, just push enter [19:10] goarilla (~goarilla@52.180-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [19:11] im getting the following: [19:11] This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for you CPU [19:12] so what don't you understand? [19:12] then you burned slackware64-13.0, and not the 32-bit version [19:12] i didn't see 32bit on any mirror.. unless i overlooked [19:13] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:13] you did [19:13] it won't say 32 [19:13] its just slackware-13.0 [19:13] got direct link? [19:13] i could, but it would take effort, so i won't [19:13] ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ [19:14] thanks all [19:14] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-189-016.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:15] i think i downloaded slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso earlier... isn't the 64bit? [19:15] this* [19:16] hm.. Does it say x86_64 ? [19:17] it just says slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [19:17] and that's the only dvd iso available [19:18] hopefully i don't have to download all the cd iso to get 32bit [19:18] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [19:18] you definitely downloaded 64-bit [19:18] as the (very obvious) error message tells you [19:20] i'll download it again... and will compare the hash... hopefully this time around i'm downloading 32bit [19:20] D3lahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [19:21] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:22] gnufan (hardev@76.91.81.190) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [19:28] An easy zink trout. [19:28] Flowers retain brightness. [19:29] Tree bark does not bite. [19:29] macius (~macius@i209-195-107-111.cia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:30] [19:30] Fuck a fruit basket. [19:30] I install styrofoam nuns. [19:30] Spring backup in CS lab. [19:31] o.O [19:34] Razec (1000@187-27-232-45.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:36] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:57] Nick change: PathagenX -> AFKrden [19:57] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:58] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:58] what kind of person clears ALL the food onto their plate and then says "oh i guess my eyes were bigger than my stomach" [19:59] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [19:59] fat people? [19:59] its like, take your portion....dont take ALL of it [19:59] and then try to pawn your bowl off because you cant eat it all [20:00] everyone else is just like...uh you just took everything, and then didnt want it [20:00] who paid for the food? [20:01] definately not that guy [20:01] lol [20:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:02] apparently everytime you predict a dickmove, and then confirm it, you are "complaining" [20:02] sucks dont it? [20:02] same person, how many fucking times do i need to tell you, YOU CANT RECYCLE STYROFOAM [20:03] how many times does that guy borrow/take something...and you know you will NEVER SEE IT AGAIN [20:03] some can [20:03] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:03] is this guy your friend? [20:03] hell no [20:04] he's a user [20:04] does he do drugs too? [20:04] always asks for favors [20:04] or tires to get your shit and then gets mad when you want your shit [20:04] *tries [20:04] yeah i hate folks like that... [20:04] leeches [20:04] tricking me into giving them a ride, which ends up being more than "just down the street" [20:05] people who expect you to clean up their mess [20:05] slicker (~slicker@cpe-76-171-251-159.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:06] hate that crap [20:08] well see, thats your fault [20:08] when they change up, you let them out [20:09] and then they don't play that game any more [20:09] stop complaining =) [20:09] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:09] well see, i wont be a dick directly. it's not writtin in my persona [20:09] but things that happen once [20:10] frankS2 (frank@188.113.115.119) joined ##slackware. [20:10] i normally stop hanging out with folks that do that [20:10] not letting yourself being taken advantage of isn't being a dick [20:10] one dude called me 100+ times in one day [20:10] Hi guys, is installpkg in the base system of slackware? and does it use precompiled packages? Is there any way of getting something like pkgsrc as netbsd uses? [20:10] yeah, i let people like that go [20:11] frankS2: yes, and yes [20:11] frankS2: man installpkg [20:11] frankS2: look at sbopkg for slackbuilds.org [20:11] also might be worth checking out slackpkg as well [20:11] frankS2: although that is for 3rd party packages, not official oens [20:12] okey, now for the compiling by myself [20:12] and make a package [20:12] is there a system for that? [20:12] to get deps etc [20:12] don't try it [20:12] if you want to compile official packages, then just download the source and run the slackbuild file [20:12] not to get deps, not really [20:12] you could damage something or it could work [20:13] frankS2: official slackware packages do not have any dependancy meta data, no [20:13] hm okey, Im gonna try to get pkgsrc from netbsd into it [20:13] though most source packages come with an automake script (./configure) that checks for dependencies itself (so it will error out and tell you "you need ____") [20:13] okey Delahunt [20:13] frankS2: if you are looking for something slackware like that does do dependancy checking for their packages then you can look at Vectorlinux [20:13] and mixing systems for operating systems (netbsd versus slackware like you mentioned) is probably not a good idea [20:13] I miss the old linuxdays, so i installed ubuntu.. and I really didnt like it. so slackware here i come [20:13] Delahunt: pkgsrc is known to work on plenty of OS*s [20:13] slackware is the polar opposite of ubuntu [20:14] but most of the time if you just install all the libraries, you're going to have all the deps 95% of the time [20:14] Delahunt: even windows [20:14] yes [20:14] frankS2, yes but you would be making a lot of work for yourself [20:14] ubuntu isn't the "old-days" [20:14] it would not be the "silver bullet" that fixed everything, most likely [20:14] ubuntu is more like the alice in wonder land days lol [20:14] faggot wants to "let his food digest" instead of doing dishes [20:14] Delahunt: lol [20:15] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:15] Skrimpz, who? your gay lover? 8-) [20:15] better than doing taxes :| [20:15] Skrimpz: i skate after i eat. it's often my mode of transportation. [20:15] Delahunt: your father [20:15] neonflux (~neonflux@smcvdsl40225.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] frankS2: learn how to make/edit slackbuild scripts to properly compile packages for your system [20:16] Skrimpz, lol i know my father way better than that 8-) [20:16] nice try but insult failed [20:16] frankS2: but first look at slackbuilds.org before you attempt to roll your own slackbuild script because odds are if its a package worth having it's already there. [20:16] insult or comeback? [20:17] whichever one you were attempting [20:17] 8-) [20:17] Cann0n: Okey Ill try that [20:17] frankS2: it's VERY easy. if you want dependency handling, slackware is not the distro for you... however, you can install slapt-get (gslapt is the frontend), but thats like... not the "thing to do" [20:17] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:17] slackers prefer compiling. [20:17] well, checking and downloading deps is a nice feature [20:18] like ports in freebsd [20:18] and pkgsrc in netbsd [20:18] but its not critical [20:18] frankS2: like I said, vectorlinux if it really makes a difference to you [20:18] 01:18:34 < frankS2> but its not critical [20:18] Salix isn't bad either [20:19] Cann0n: that slackware based? [20:19] yeah [20:19] uses slapt-get too? [20:19] yep [20:19] good to know [20:19] it's VERY close to slackware, just comes with different packages [20:20] slackware-13.0-install-d1.iso <= is this one enought to get me running? [20:20] that was my understand of what vector is [20:20] or do i need d2 [20:20] although I don't have first hand exp with it [20:20] and boots in init4 with splashy, uses gdm, comes with xfce only [20:20] frankS2: how bout DVD [20:20] Skrimpz: I dont have any DVD's to burn, and i dont need all the extra software it comes with [20:20] frankS2: you will want to full install [20:20] like in debian i use a netinst @ 30mb [20:20] frankS2: you need d1 and d2 [20:21] the more you install from cd, the less you have to install later [20:21] slicker (~slicker@cpe-76-171-251-159.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [20:21] s/cd/iso [20:21] all I need is X, aterm and a tiling wm [20:21] to get me rolling [20:22] and vim! [20:22] all you need is a broken install [20:22] lol [20:22] SiegeX: ofcorz [20:22] why ask questions if you already know you dont need disk 2? [20:23] you wont know what you need until your shits all fucked up [20:23] dvd... [20:23] how do you install X with only disk1? [20:24] i wonder if pat will ever do a normal netinstall iso [20:24] cross your fingers [20:24] 'ldd' is pretty much your what dep am I missing tool when shit doesn't work [20:24] mplayer requires a shit load [20:24] okey so a small install will break [20:24] remove stuff later [20:24] slicker (~slicker@cpe-76-171-251-159.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] no [20:25] it won't break, but remember, you aren't using auto-dep handling [20:25] serverduck (~serverduc@188.24.221.91) joined ##slackware. [20:25] slicker (~slicker@cpe-76-171-251-159.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:25] true [20:26] put installpkg is there? [20:26] 'break' would imply that it was working in the first place :) [20:26] if you did a basic install and wanted to run k3b, mplayer, or nearly anything with qt4, good luck [20:26] Cann0n: 01:22:07 < frankS2> all I need is X, aterm and a tiling [20:26] WM [20:26] fluxbox [20:27] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:27] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] I forget, does slackware's setup not have a 'minimal' option? [20:27] I have a beginner question, does slackware have problems shuting down hibernate? [20:27] package a [20:27] SiegeX: i think so. i'm imagine it would be just as powerful as the few options you get when you boot the install disk [20:27] serverduck: thats a hardware compatibility issue [20:28] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:28] hibernate has always had issues. sleep mode works most of the time now [20:28] those options let you pick the packages manually....and you can install a broken system that way if you want [20:28] then again, it depends on the hardware [20:29] Cann0n, well i don't really understand, I use ubuntu right now and it doesn't work ... [20:29] i only see "full" "menu" and "expert" install options [20:29] Cann0n, i can not get it to shut down sometimes, only from the terminal...if i hibernate i get a funny message and a tray icon telling me that my display server is broken [20:30] Someone told me that hibernating is a issue in linux is that true? [20:30] laptops are an issues [20:30] :( [20:30] Yes i use a laptop [20:30] serverduck: yeah, i just said that [20:30] Damn..:( [20:30] try sleep [20:31] suspend to ram instead of suspend to harddrive (hibernate) [20:31] http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/08/17/gnome-power-manager-and-blanking-removal-of-bodges/ [20:31] and i get a tray icon pointing me to this link [20:31] you should try to search on the ubuntu forums for that, since you are using ubuntu [20:31] Well no one seems to know and help me [20:32] Tried posting tried irc.. [20:32] :) [20:32] us slackers normally just keep our computings running all the time [20:32] Well I will burn a dvd with slackware. [20:32] I'm curious :) [20:32] Nick change: mikee -> mfreenet [20:32] It's hard to install? [20:32] no [20:33] I'm a beginner that's why I ask. [20:33] I hope it will support my laptop. [20:33] unless you have never seen an ncurses program [20:33] tsccof (~martin@201-89-153-196.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:33] yeah, give it a shot (laptops will have hardware hurdles) [20:34] slackbook.org (it's useful beyond slackware) for good reading [20:34] yep. print it and keep a copy in your bathroom [20:34] i got some old linux manuals laying around too [20:35] good reading [20:35] LPI books aren't bad either :P [20:35] neonflux_ (~neonflux@adsl-76-252-223-236.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Cann0n, i can not get it to shut down sometimes, only from the terminal...if i hibernate i get a funny message and a tray icon telling me that my display server is broken [20:35] sorry [20:35] neonflux (~neonflux@smcvdsl40225.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:35] serverduck: how are you shutting it down? [20:36] Gnome power manager [20:36] click on it then shut down. [20:36] I'm not advanced in the terminal [20:36] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:36] But if I do sudo shutdown -h 0 it works. [20:36] serverduck: try going to #ubuntu [20:36] Funny sometimes it's shutting down from the power manager and sometimes it doesn't. [20:37] slackware doesn't come with gnome [20:37] I went and tried endless timees but no one replies [20:37] yup, we're not going to be much help [20:37] what does it use? [20:37] :D [20:37] Razec (1000@187-27-232-45.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:37] Ehh it's ok slackers, excuse me ...for posting here... [20:37] well, shutdown -h now works [20:37] s/now/0 [20:38] i just hit my power button [20:38] it starts the shutdown scripts and powers down properly [20:38] unless i hold it down of course [20:38] serverduck (~serverduc@188.24.221.91) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [20:39] well, i was gonna suggest it was a group error [20:39] sounds like it could be X or PAM even [20:39] hard tellin' [20:40] yeah, ubuntu != slackware [20:40] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:41] haha my friend is saying slackware slogans [20:41] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:41] "slackware linux - because it works" [20:41] "slackware linux - when you get serious" [20:41] "slackware linux - it pops your cherry" [20:41] lol [20:41] "slackware linux - because everything else sucks" [20:42] slackware, it really is the fucking best. [20:42] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-63.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:42] "slackware linux - No Training Wheels Included" [20:42] niceee [20:42] "slackware linux - not for retards" [20:42] "slackware linux - not for derptards" [20:43] "Slackware Linux, pix for GTFO!" [20:43] "slackware linux - for smokas only, for smokas only, onlaaaaaayyy" [20:43] smoke... [20:44] ^^ false [20:44] i dont smoke [20:44] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] serverduck (~serverduc@188.24.241.151) joined ##slackware. [20:44] i do [20:44] bob does it for you. [20:44] sorry got banned for repeating:) [20:44] it happens [20:44] late night ##slackware. stay classy. [20:45] "Slackware Linux - Thou deservest the classiest." [20:45] lol [20:45] "if you know slackware you know linux" is this true? [20:45] slackware linux - walk softly and carry a big dick [20:45] "If thou proves but to be worth it." [20:45] "##slackware, where you go when you have a real problem" [20:46] "slackware linux - linux for superhuman beings" [20:46] "Slackware Linux - Not for the average Ubuntu tool." [20:46] hi, with the touchpad I can't scroll, I google for it but non solutions worked for me,., any help ? :) [20:46] serverduck: slackware is most like unix [20:46] slackware, version 9.04 :) [20:46] "slackware linux - linux for superhuman beings" < I second that [20:46] biker: what hardware [20:46] biker: even two finger multitouch ? [20:46] :)) [20:46] slackware has very little to do with any unix [20:46] "ubuntu linux - wait is this even linux" [20:46] but it's the distro that is most like unix [20:47] it hasn't changed much [20:47] Sorry guys this is how i started my linux journey [20:47] what would 'most like unix' entitle? [20:47] what does that even mean ? and why is that good ? [20:47] Hey don't get mad:P [20:47] Ubuntu lacks a lot of things... [20:47] Cann0n, mmm hp ? or i think synaptics [20:47] "slackware linux - you've got headers!" [20:47] trhodes, neither that [20:47] Ohh and another thing since you are here, how's slackware getting along with flash? [20:48] Is there a amd 64 version? [20:48] serverduck: fine [20:48] I could enable the tapping, but the scrolling nop [20:48] biker: did you add the right device section in your Xorg.conf? [20:48] trhodes, even the 64 bit version? [20:48] serverduck: 64 bit slackware. [20:48] serverduck: like all other distro's [20:48] "slackware linux - wet, tight, and hot" [20:48] serverduck: that was partially the impetus for 64 bit slack (that, and java) [20:49] I work now on ubuntu 9.10 64 bit and flash is a pain in the a.. [20:49] adobe's shockwave plugin is binary iirc [20:49] Working like helland seems to be a issue for ubuntu...don't know if they will fix it or not. [20:49] "slackware linux - all your base is belong to you" [20:49] yeah, it's not going to be much different on any distro [20:49] And pppoe?it's working fine? [20:50] my distro came with flash installed and this is 64bit [20:50] Cann0n, Identifier "Mouse0" [20:50] Driver "mouse" [20:50] serverduck: pppoe works just fine [20:50] Cann0n, that says on my xorg.conf [20:50] "slackware linux - yes, you can haz cheezburger" [20:50] serverduck: just don't expect a configuration utility for it [20:50] also came with java and mplyaer codecs [20:50] whooot! [20:50] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [20:50] thats my new motd [20:50] I had a endless journey trying to make my pppoe work fine, i had a bug and i started manually trying to make things work.. [20:51] "slackware linux - because everyone hates you anyway" [20:51] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:51] biker: google synaptics again. this time, look for xorg.conf examples [20:51] ananke, ohh so slack is more terminal orientated right? [20:51] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] Cann0n, oo my fault, its vmmouse [20:51] serverduck: not sure how to answer that. slackware simply doesn't have GUI configuration tools specific to slackware [20:52] slackware linux - kill the noob(put the coresponding PID) out of you. [20:52] 11-x11-vmmouse.fdi its the file [20:52] "slackware linux - duuuuuuuuuuuuuude seriously" [20:52] ananke, ok thank you:) [20:52] ananke, must do a lot of reading about it. [20:52] biker: no, you need the correct mouse input there. like, synaptics stuff [20:52] here, let me show you mine. hang on [20:52] Action: Motoko-chan has a PID of 1 [20:52] "Slackware Linux - The original Linux distribution." [20:52] :D [20:53] serverduck: slackbook is a good introduction to slackware [20:53] tsccof, I think SLS could take that name, possibly. [20:53] ananke, it covers networking things too?:) [20:53] yes [20:53] serverduck: yes [20:53] O.o [20:53] serverduck: just try it already [20:53] ananke, thank you [20:53] gentoo - this wet paint wont watch itself [20:54] Motoko-chan: Softlanding? [20:54] Hope i didn't made anyone mad with my questions:P [20:54] tsccof: yes, slack was derived form SLS [20:54] Cann0n, lol [20:54] gentoo - dont shave, tweeze [20:54] Skrimpz: i think at this point that would be better suited for the offtopic channel [20:54] tsccof, yes [20:55] I tried what says here, Cann0n , http://therosiek.com/2010/01/slackware-13-on-lenovo-t61-trackpad-and-scrolling/ [20:55] trhodes Motokochan: yeap, but I heard that phrase once [20:55] yes guys, take SLS talk to offtopic [20:55] so by now I have those 2 files [20:55] ill meat you there [20:55] meat? [20:55] MEAT [20:55] mm, sls should be on-topic :> [20:55] biker: http://pastebin.com/iAHAUDKQ [20:55] You're gonna smack us with steaks? [20:56] one steak [20:56] t-bone [20:56] I-bone [20:56] more slackwar slogans or gtfo! [20:57] The great slackwar of 2010. [20:57] j-bone [20:57] slackware stable vs slackware current [20:57] The earth trembled as the followers of tgz battled the denziens of deb and rpm! [20:57] and GO [20:58] Motoko-chan (maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [20:58] Cann0n, thank you, ill try that :) [20:58] Slackware, it's better than Tightware [20:58] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] slackware can only compete with itself dumbshit [20:58] untrue [20:58] slackware is what chuck norris uses [20:58] true [20:58] :)))) [20:58] slackware gave chuck norris aids [20:59] It's what Bruce Schneiner wants to use. [20:59] hahahaha [20:59] http://www.schneierfacts.com/ [20:59] chuck norris is really a robot that runs slackware [20:59] Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting......Chuck Norris goes killing [20:59] "The birthday referred to in the 'Birthday Attack' is Bruce Schneier's." [20:59] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:59] knuth uses slack. [21:00] Cann0n, so I must add the inputsection of the identifier synaptics mouse right? [21:00] yeah, just change your mouse to mine [21:00] copy the entire thing [21:00] what about cliff stoll [21:00] if you are still having problem,s you gan install gsynaptics [21:00] Cann0n, the entire xorg? or just that section? [21:01] "Erwin Schrödinger had a mere cat; Bruce Schneier has a Bengal tiger." [21:01] just the mouse selection [21:01] oo ok [21:01] well let me restart and tell you the result :) [21:01] just kill X [21:01] "slackware linux - better than all your douchebag friends" [21:01] okok [21:01] control + alt + backspace [21:01] ok :) [21:01] thank you [21:01] np [21:01] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:02] tsccof (~martin@201-89-153-196.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:03] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] tsccof (~martin@201-89-153-196.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:04] "slackware linux - the second virgin birth" [21:04] "Slackware Linux = Legendary" [21:04] Slackware, better than sex, pizza, and indoor plumbing. [21:05] "slackware linux - par with sliced bread" [21:05] "Slackware - if you aren't using it, Fock you." [21:06] idiocracy? [21:06] "Slackware - it's got electrolytes" [21:06] lol [21:06] "Slackware - it's got what plants crave" [21:06] "slackware linux - i liek monay" [21:07] neonflux_ (~neonflux@adsl-76-252-223-236.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [21:07] neonflux_ (~neonflux@adsl-76-252-223-236.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] "slackware linux - you mean like from out the toilet?" [21:08] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [21:08] "Slackware - it's (1x10^12) times better than *" [21:10] nice [21:10] "slackware linux - it pwnz ur faec!1" [21:10] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [21:11] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Cann0n, nop, that didnt work =/ [21:12] dang [21:14] serverduck (~serverduc@188.24.241.151) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:14] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:14] "slackware linux - hng....nrb...zub....guvmint.." [21:15] lol [21:16] heeh [21:16] "pat volkerding - what bill gates could have been" [21:17] true dat [21:18] D3lahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:18] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [21:19] "slackware linux - for those that respect themselves" [21:20] slogans ... for those who need to feel better about themselves 8-) 8-P [21:20] "slogans - for those that cant stop typing bullshit" [21:20] 8-) [21:21] "slackware linux - eat corn and live!" [21:21] Terrorism, so the TSA can make our lives worst. [21:21] "full body scanners - so terrahertz waves can rip your dna apart" [21:21] the new xray devices will be able to see your pecker [21:21] Cann0n, for whats the Option "SHMConfig" "on" ? [21:22] uh....look up DNA breathing mechanics in terrahertz wave fields [21:22] those scanners f'u'up [21:23] biker: so you can control it with gsynaptics [21:23] try SHWConfig off [21:23] Cann0n, I didnt put that on the serverlayout [21:23] LTL2h (~LTL2h_@AToulouse-258-1-47-34.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: ds power is amazing [21:23] now I put it, let me kill x [21:23] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:25] Nick change: fire|bird -> bleeding|edge [21:26] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Cann0n, nop it didnt worked [21:31] biker: how's it workin' ? [21:31] trhodes, bad :( [21:31] n/m :) [21:32] :p [21:32] "slackware linux - still here baby" [21:32] trhodes, I added what Cann0n told me to add on xorg.conf ,., but didnt worked =/ [21:33] hmm, my laptop with a synaptics touchpad is dead :( [21:33] biker: what make / model of laptop are you on ? [21:33] trhodes, hp [21:33] hp pavilion dv5 1017nr trhodes [21:33] biker, whatya doing? [21:33] mancha, Im trying to get scrolling with the touchpad [21:34] vertical scrolliung? what slackware you on [21:34] "slackware linux - `sort -R /usr/share/slogans/slogans.txt | head -n1`" [21:34] mancha, yes vertical, 13.0 [21:34] you need this line: 1 [21:35] in this file: /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi [21:35] good thing mancha helps with HAL :) [21:36] mancha, in that file I have this: http://pastebin.com/RPL3hE8G [21:36] i'm afraid i can't do that trhodes. [21:36] so I must add the line you told me? :) [21:36] haha ;) [21:36] boker, yes add it under the tap button 3 line [21:36] mancha, okok thank you :) [21:37] welcome, save, restart xorg and enjoy your scrollage. [21:37] mancha, ok let me try that =D [21:37] thank you! [21:38] coming back and will tell you the result :) [21:38] thanks also trhodes :) [21:38] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:39] everytime i see someone quit irc when restarting X i think to myself, screen+irssi [21:39] haha yes [21:39] heck, even when my power or internet sputters, I'm still here [21:40] i tend to use ssh+tmux+irssi [21:40] what's tmux ? [21:40] it's like screen [21:40] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:40] ORLY [21:40] cool, dislocate is something else I use [21:40] bash: tmux: command not found [21:40] http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ [21:40] how is that like screen [21:40] how's tmux better than screen? or is it? [21:41] mancha: i think that it is a little simpiler...and it is what i am use to using [21:41] screen could easily do what i use tmux to do [21:41] good thing i read the change log today, had a package or two to remove and a few to install [21:41] aha, ok. does it _need_ libevent or is that optional? [21:42] Delahunt: slackpkg install gentoo [21:42] Action: Delahunt stabs Skrimpz with a USB stick [21:42] screen stable still does not do vertical splits [21:42] mancha: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/tmux/ [21:42] just use that [21:42] biker's talking too long [21:42] screen is amazing yet limited [21:43] limited? (curious what you think) [21:43] well apparently it doesnt split verticle [21:43] :D [21:43] oh, the newest version does [21:43] but it's not "stable" [21:43] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:43] i use like 4 keys of screen....still dont know how to scroll up [21:44] its still amazing even with 4 functions [21:44] i learned screen in spurts [21:44] an ac ad ap ? [21:44] ter [21:44] how do i scroll up [21:44] ctrl+a [ [21:44] you have to enter copy mode [21:45] ohhhhh [21:45] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::aaaa) joined ##slackware. [21:45] scrolling up without a stopped term doesn't make sense anyway [21:45] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] mancha, nop, it didnt work =/ [21:45] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: pew-pew[friggin lasers, mounted on Shark] [21:46] mancha: btw, it looks like libevent is only for 1.2+ [21:46] Robba, i am gonna give you two more lines ok? [21:46] slicker (~slicker@cpe-76-171-251-159.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:46] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/twin/ needs some love [21:46] er biker i mean [21:47] 830 [21:47] (twin sounds promising, but neglected) [21:47] brainvision (~brainvisi@host66-39-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:47] oo mancha , btw, the file in /etc/hal/fdi/polici/ its called 11-x11-vmmouse.fdi [21:47] 20 [21:47] do i rename it to 11-x11-synaptics.fdi ? [21:47] mancha, ? [21:48] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-37.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [21:48] Skrimpz: esc (among other keys) exits copy mode [21:48] biker, where'd that file come from? [21:48] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] slicker (~slicker@cpe-76-171-251-159.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:49] mancha, I think i coppied from /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-vmmouse.fdi [21:49] biker,do you have this /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi ? [21:49] if so, copy it to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi and add the line(s) i gave [21:49] mancha, ooo okokok let me try that [21:50] ang (ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Client exiting"). [21:50] 1093 is a sum of powers of 3 [21:51] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] prime [21:51] mancha, killing x [21:51] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:51] mancha: dont u lie [21:51] Cann0n_ (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:51] sorry, wrong channel [21:51] math nerd [21:51] slicker (~slicker@cpe-76-171-251-159.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:53] what if no one told biker about ctrl+alt+backspace ... ? he'd be frustrated by now [21:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:53] winter (~winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:53] what if you told him ctrl + alt + middle finger? he'd be frustrated by now [21:54] Nick change: Cann0n_ -> Cann0n [21:54] Nick change: winter -> Guest54202 [21:54] slicker (~slicker@cpe-76-171-251-159.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:55] true [21:55] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:05] har (~AndChat@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] mancha, nop it is not working [22:05] mancha, I have it like this: [22:05] mancha, http://pastebin.com/88c40Btz [22:05] pastebin your whole file [22:06] mancha, there is it [22:06] winter__ (~winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:07] winter__ (~winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] you repeat things in there, do you see? [22:08] mancha, the first time I tried adding the options that were in the example there [22:08] and didnt worked [22:08] next I tried adding both and didnt work [22:08] mancha, so now must I try just with your commands? [22:08] clean it up. [22:08] ok [22:09] it's so messy with example, and duplicates, and so forth. who knows why it is failing [22:09] mancha, lol [22:09] ok cleaned [22:10] AFKrden (~pathagenx@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [22:10] brb [22:11] winter__ (~winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:12] okok [22:14] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.222.61) joined ##slackware. [22:14] Zozma (~Winter@97-83-229-2.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:14] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:14] morning [22:15] hi [22:15] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] mancha, tried with just your command and didnt work neither =/ [22:16] straw_hat (~robotics@robo.cs.fiu.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:16] man 4 synaptics # is a big page, dang [22:16] can you image a partition on your hdd as the installation iso? [22:17] Or rather, can you use dd to do that? I've got a partition, recognized as /dev/sdb4, and I want to stick the slackware installation iso on there. [22:17] grep synaptics Xorg.0.log [22:17] I'm wondering if I can just dd if=slackwareblahblah.iso of=/dev/sdb4 or what [22:18] straw_hat: 'not really, file level is better [22:18] so how would that work out [22:18] oh hey trhodes. Same laptop :)\ [22:19] biker, what is the output [22:19] what I have yet to do, but should work, is install grub and tell (legacy) grub to use the initrd from the installation iso [22:19] mancha, amm nothing? what output? =/ [22:19] straw_hat: grub2 actually CAN boot iso's, but I don't know how [22:19] grep synaptics Xorg.0.log [22:20] mancha, grep: Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory [22:20] grep synaptics /var/log/Xorg.0.log [22:20] (sorry) [22:21] mancha, it returns nothing [22:21] so you have more serious problems [22:22] straw_hat: mount -o loop #to get the iso's initrd [22:22] dang =/ [22:22] couldn't biker try an xorg.conf ? [22:22] my knowledge of this stuff is poor :( [22:23] trhodes, but help a lot :) [22:23] i sent him mine [22:23] ahh ok (you're welcome) [22:23] biker: what problem do you have? [22:23] with all these stuff mancha was telling me,., I commented the lines I added on xorg.conf from Cann0n [22:23] do I uncommented? [22:24] tsccof, Im tring to get scrolling with the touchpad [22:24] biker: do you have an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11? [22:24] oh wow, you had an xorg.conf? [22:24] remove that [22:24] tsccof, yeap [22:24] ahh [22:25] dude, you can't mix the advice from 10 different people into a pot, mix it and hope it works :) [22:25] biker: delete that, do you know how to switch run levels? [22:25] lol :p [22:25] tsccof, init? [22:25] remove xorg.conf, start again. [22:25] biker: corret [22:25] biker: correct* [22:25] mancha, ok ill remove it [22:25] biker: rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf && init 3 [22:26] log as root and run Xorg -configure [22:26] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] tsccof, must I kill X ? [22:26] that is a new xorg.conf configured according to Xorg itself [22:26] yes [22:26] hence the 'init 3' there [22:26] oh, biker, you ARE on slack 13, right ? [22:27] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] sorry if I asked before [22:27] this is going to end poorly, now he has yet another set of instructions... [22:27] trhodes, yea [22:27] after running 'Xorg -configure', run 'init 4' and pastebin your new xorg.conf(configured by Xorg itself) [22:27] yes, mancha wants you to do it the HAL way [22:28] mancha: indeed it will. [22:28] tsccof, let me try mancha's suggestion first :) [22:28] trhodes, well i don't care on which way. but i know mixing them isn't gonna work :) [22:28] biker: sure [22:28] thanks,., but hes right,., ill do a mess if a mix many solutions [22:28] :p [22:28] mancha, so lets continue :p [22:28] lol [22:28] so I delete the xorg.conf? [22:29] biker: if that does not work, try what I said, it might fix your issue [22:29] har (~AndChat@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Bye [22:29] tsccof, okok thank you :D [22:30] mancha, so well, I remove the xorg.conf right? [22:30] so trhodes, I've been reading up on it, and apparently the wisdom is putting the initrd and vmlinuz on /boot/ [22:30] yes [22:31] mancha, ? [22:31] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:31] Here's the deal, I've got a boot partition at the front of the hdd, a root partition, where I'm planning on installing the hdd, then the partition where we plan on having the iso and the swap lastly. [22:31] straw_hat: the slack installer initrd is from the iso and has usr/lib/setup/setup on it [22:31] So should we move the initrd and vmlinuz to that boot partition and... what on the iso partition. The extracted iso? [22:32] Aaaand grub's not on that drive [22:32] so far [22:32] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Quit: server change [22:32] Delahunt: how did you get DF working? [22:32] straw_hat (~robotics@robo.cs.fiu.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:32] straw_hat (~robotics@robo.cs.fiu.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:32] dang [22:32] grub might give you more room for errors [22:33] Action: fhobia finds the finch ui very confusing [22:33] grub2, if you want to learn it, will just boot a stinkin' iso [22:33] finch ui? i like it [22:33] hold on repeat anything you just said... I uh... wrote up the wrong command and closed irssi [22:33] tsccof, well mancha isnt answering, so Ill try yours [22:34] i didn't say anything while you were gone [22:34] ah [22:34] trhodes: i can't seem to figure out how to stop resizing a window so that when i press enter on a buddy it will open a window rather than reenter resize mode [22:34] biker, just restart now [22:34] i'm so damn confused how i should set up my serious kvm production machines [22:34] slack host, slack guest. [22:34] trhodes, but before that I remove the xorg.conf right? [22:34] i dont want to run vmware :/ [22:34] biker: yes [22:34] ok restaring [22:34] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:34] jeev: what about virtualbox? [22:35] fhobia: enter is putting you in resize mode ? (confused) [22:35] yeah, haha, exactly [22:35] zaltekk (~zaltekk@74.63.201.243) joined ##slackware. [22:35] i'm confused why it does that [22:35] fhobia: enter is supposed to get it out [22:35] crap, .gntrc ? [22:36] do you have it ? [22:36] yeah [22:36] ahh, it might be there; did you use the one from the man page ? [22:36] no, i just overrode certain key combos [22:36] well the real question I've got is where does the iso go? all the data? should I extract that to the iso-partition? [22:37] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [22:37] straw_hat: you are talking about the slack installation iso, right ? [22:38] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] trhodes, ok i restarted [22:38] does scroll work? [22:38] trhodes, nop [22:38] yep [22:38] hmm, try what tsccof said if you want to [22:39] straw_hat: the install iso has all the packages and scripts (and things so support those scripts) on it [22:39] mmm ok [22:39] tsccof, so I kill x,., remove xorg.conf and then do Xorg -configure ? [22:40] straw_hat: i think loopback mount the iso and tar it to a partition [22:40] biker: yeah [22:40] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.121.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:40] biker: you shouldn't have an xorg.conf ;) [22:40] trhodes: that depends [22:41] oh really? [22:41] yeap i dont have one :p [22:41] something makes it on the fly ? [22:41] ok [22:41] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:41] i meant have one at this time :) [22:41] trhodes: Xorg -configure simply creates an xorg.conf using the same configuration it would use if he did not have an xorg.conf [22:41] yeah :) [22:41] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.93.85) joined ##slackware. [22:42] trhodes: well, i found out that having the line "c-m = start-move" somehow messes up the bindings, but if i remove it, then everything works :-D [22:42] straw_hat: i think loopback mount the iso and tar it's contents to a partition [22:42] fhobia: ha! [22:42] trhodes: so making an xorg.conf using that could tell us what is wrong [22:42] fhobia: ^M is newline [22:42] :P [22:42] err, enter [22:42] !? lol [22:42] no ya know ;) [22:43] tsccof: yes [22:43] *now [22:43] tsccof, hell no! they're servers. i need cli [22:44] kvm is cool, i use it now it's just so many things to it to test [22:44] straw_hat: then put initrd and vmlinuz on /boot and use grub to load them after a reboot [22:45] straw_hat: i'm not sure how you'd install legacy grub though [22:45] trhodes: i'm cool with the finch ui now [22:45] :-D [22:45] pretty impressive :-P [22:45] haha nice, gnt is like its own window manager [22:45] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] you can even have workspaces [22:46] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:46] the manpage is worth learning... too bad more things don't use gnt [22:46] hmm did they do this so they could just write one app [22:46] i guess so ... ?! [22:46] tsccof, I tried that, and then I moved the xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/ and rename it xorg.conf [22:46] cool ;-D [22:46] but I sitll dont have scrolling =/ [22:47] biker: scrolling is supported by your hardware ? [22:47] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [22:47] trhodes, yeap [22:47] I had scrolling on windows, fedora, ubuntu [22:47] hmm, maybe you could scavenge a .conf or HAL settings from there (fedora or *buntu( [22:48] quick 'n' dirty [22:48] lol [22:48] trhodes, but what? the xorg.conf ? [22:48] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:49] well, you might have to generate it like tsccof said, but from another distro [22:49] then see if it works :/ [22:49] now i just need to fix the fact that my foot fell asleep :-/ [22:49] then take the xorg.conf to slackware (although there's probably a HAL way to do it that i'm ignorant of) [22:50] lol damn [22:50] biker: have you restarted X? [22:51] tsccof, yeap [22:51] well [22:51] I did all without the x [22:51] biker: can you pastebin your xorg.conf? [22:51] tsccof, http://pastebin.com/BDGn5iV4 [22:52] inputdevice, mouse0 ? [22:52] trhodes, i dont know :S there says that [22:53] I have also a mouse connected right now [22:53] oh ok [22:53] straterra, what is a good place to eat in bloomington? [22:54] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:55] my manpages for synaptics stuff are all old [22:55] i don't have a 13.0 machine handy [22:56] biker: have you read man 4 synaptics ? (sorry if that's annoying) [22:56] biker: what kernel version are you running? have you compiled it yourself? [22:56] trhodes, nop ;p [22:57] he's on 13.0 [22:57] tsccof, I have 2.6.29.6, and nop, its the newest one in the default repos [22:57] well in slackpkg [22:57] :) [22:57] biker: you could try compiling 2.6.33 and checking if there is any module for your laptop [22:57] biker: or a really deep Google search :P [22:57] well I can try that [22:58] tsccof, I looked many times in google and no solution xD [22:58] biker: remember to back up 2.6.29.6 [22:58] biker: and the system map [22:59] I have never compiled a kernel before, it would be cool :p [22:59] biker: and adding a new entry on /etc/lilo.conf, etc etc etc etc [22:59] tsccof, can you help me with all that? xD [22:59] biker: sure [22:59] I dont know how to backup the old kernel and system map, and dont know how to make the entry for the old kernel in lilo.conf [22:59] biker: but I would prever private talking for that [22:59] biker: loads of messages [22:59] tsccof, sure :) [23:00] how long does it take to compile the kernel? [23:00] what processor do you have? [23:00] biker: i had to create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the synaptics device with the options VertEdgeScroll, HorizEdgeScroll, and TapButton1 all set to 1 [23:00] try what zaltekk just said first [23:01] okok :p [23:01] biker: there is any easier way to test [23:01] biker: man synclient [23:01] zaltekk, can you show me your xorg.conf? :) [23:01] john_dee (~id@93-81-137-50.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [23:02] biker: what do you get from "synclient -l | grep EdgeScroll"? [23:02] (what zaltekk said is in the manpage) [23:02] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:02] zaltekk, Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded? [23:03] straw_hat: i just remembered that you said all you had was a floppy [23:03] biker: are you running 13.0? [23:03] straw_hat: can you not put your (presumably IDE) drive into another machine to do the bulk of the install ? [23:03] he says he's on 13.0 [23:04] zaltekk, yeap [23:04] biker: do you have an xorg.conf? [23:04] zaltekk, yeap [23:04] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] he has one [23:04] made using Xorg -configure [23:04] he was with and without one [23:04] just did it [23:04] biker: have you tried without it? i don't know why X wouldn't load the synaptics driver [23:05] biker: and you are positive it is a synaptics device? [23:05] zaltekk, can you show me your xorg.conf? [23:05] hold on... [23:05] zaltekk, yea, or well,., I think so [23:05] :$ :p [23:06] biker: http://pastebin.com/2aCCYmqX [23:06] zaltekk, thanks, Ill add the synaptics options you have [23:07] biker: my touchpad is automatically recognized, and even the vertical scrolling works out of the box. i just had to add the horizontal and tapping support. then tweaked the speed a little. [23:07] zaltekk, i think when i just installed slack I had scrolling but no tapping [23:08] then I do some things I saw on google and I had tapping [23:08] but I dont remember when I lose the scrolling [23:08] if you made changes with synclient, they aren't persistent [23:09] how can I know if i have a synaptics touchpad, or if the synaptics driver is installed? [23:12] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.139.24) joined ##slackware. [23:12] biker: i would say to delete the xorg.conf(or mv it to a different location/name) and restart X [23:12] see if the synclient can the communicate properly, and test options there [23:12] tsccof (martin@201-89-153-196.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [23:12] we do know that he had scrolling before [23:12] tsccof (~martin@201-89-153-196.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:13] whether synaptics is responsible or not :) [23:13] :p [23:13] good night [23:13] I hope you fix it, biker [23:14] tsccof, thank you :) really thank you so much for the time [23:14] you're leaving, tsccof ? [23:14] yeah [23:14] seeya [23:14] lots of things to do [23:14] haha ;) [23:14] see you, have a good night [23:14] ok cya :D [23:14] you are welcome biker, anytime [23:15] tsccof (~martin@201-89-153-196.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:15] could it be to be like in kde doesnt work and on gnome yea? [23:16] biker: no. the issue is with the driver and X. [23:16] oo okok [23:17] zaltekk, well let me try to rm the xorg.conf [23:17] and see what happens [23:17] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [23:17] coming [23:18] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:19] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] biker: for x in /sys/class/input/mouse*/device/name ; do echo $x ; cat $x ; done [23:20] trhodes, uh? [23:20] see what that says [23:20] zaltekk, well Im here without an xorg.conf [23:20] trhodes, http://pastebin.com/551LDM6K [23:21] zaltekk, and scrolling doesnt works= / [23:21] ok, so mouse2 is the synaptics device [23:21] /dev/input/mouse2 [23:22] trhodes, so may I added to the xorg.conf? [23:23] well, that will tell your X what device to use (it may change over reboots however, i don't know how persistent that is, which is why HAL is (at least in some ways) nice) [23:23] okok [23:23] ill try that [23:23] killing x [23:23] :p [23:23] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:24] Nick change: bleeding|edge -> fire|bird [23:25] |Slacker| (~Cris@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Saindo [23:26] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Action: fhobia wonders if there is a way to have finch set the urgency hint ... [23:27] that would be cool [23:27] fhobia: you want the mnemonic ctrl+m to "m"ove windows ? [23:28] you could maybe shift+modify it or something [23:28] yeah, that is what i wanted [23:28] i made it control v ... [23:28] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:28] hmm [23:28] that's stty for verbatim [23:28] it works ? [23:28] ? [23:28] yeah, it works [23:29] c-v = start-move [23:29] err, lnext actually is what my stty -a says ^V is [23:29] ok cool :) as long as it works [23:29] :-D [23:29] oh, i have urxvt to set urgency hint on console beep, so i just have to make finch ring the bell [23:29] seems possible accordinging to the preferences [23:30] man, everything is going well tonight ;-DDD [23:30] that's something i haven't set up [23:30] but would be awesome [23:30] biker (~biker@201.130.158.55.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] i just find out later that I have IM's (i really need to just try bitlbee) [23:30] nop it didnt work :( [23:30] bitlbee huh ? [23:31] rihaz (~rihaz@117.199.7.111) joined ##slackware. [23:31] bitlbee lets your IRC client do IM stuff [23:31] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] haha, of course, finch is a (crappy) irc client [23:31] well I think thats enough for today =/ [23:31] :p [23:31] ok, you've been at it a while [23:32] yea =/ [23:32] thank you anyway trhodes :) [23:32] and zaltekk [23:32] and all the others who helped me :) [23:32] welcome [23:32] even I havent done it, i learned some things :p [23:32] that's always good ;) [23:32] the manpage will help too [23:33] frankS2 (frank@188.113.115.119) left ##slackware. [23:33] yea ill try that :) [23:33] even tough, i can live without touchpad scrolling :p [23:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:34] fhobia: do you run finch in screen ? [23:34] yeah [23:35] ah! [23:35] this has something to do with c-m? ;-D [23:35] no :( [23:35] i just wondered if the ctrl+g beep makes it to urxvt [23:35] or if screen deals with it [23:35] (these things I don't know) [23:36] i had to put "vbell off" in my screenrc to make the beep bubble up [23:36] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:36] hmm ok [23:36] oh, fwiw: set hardstatus on in your screenrc [23:36] and URxvt.urgentOnBell: true [23:37] if you havent' already [23:37] in my .Xdefaults [23:37] what does hardstatus do ? [23:37] it uses a separate line at the bottom for messages [23:37] so your terminal doesn't stop for bells and screen messages [23:38] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [23:38] interesting [23:38] i have mine alwayslastline and (on a separate line) on [23:38] yeah, without hardstatus on, screen (sometimes?) has to emulate the hardstatus line [23:39] ok, cool [23:39] so bells from other windows will pause your term (as well as looking at the load average or repeating the last message) [23:39] i see [23:40] i found out when my mplayer stopped playback for bells in other windows [23:40] haha i see [23:40] but it affected finch and things like top, too [23:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:41] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] hmm, well i do a "sleep 3 && echo -en "\007"" [23:44] and the other windows don't pause or anything ? [23:45] i know that command does work, since it is triggering an urgency hint [23:46] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] and you don't have hardstatus on ? (what's your $TERM set to in screen?) [23:48] "screen" [23:48] it's likely terminfo stupidity on my part [23:48] but anyways :) at least you don't have that problem [23:49] 8) [23:49] ctrl+a :hardstatus off [23:49] see if that does it :P [23:50] j/k, it was just something I ran into that was an annoyance [23:51] :D [23:52] i love dos games [23:52] Space Quest 4 ftw [23:52] i grew up with keen [23:52] well, ok, i didn't grow up [23:53] lol [23:53] i love flight gear too [23:57] i miss those old adventure games [23:58] slicker (~slicker@166.205.136.86) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Action: fhobia hopes it won't take a miracle for recordmydesktop to work [23:59] Action: fhobia bets it probably will crash and burn due to his xinerama setup [00:00] --- Sat Mar 13 2010