[00:00] https://launchpad.net/usb-creator [00:00] agentc0re: thanks [00:02] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8fcf.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:03] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [00:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:04] good night slackers [00:04] gnight [00:04] morning [00:05] gnight twolf:) [00:05] night hitest [00:05] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1518 [00:05] Wow. [00:05] cya chowabunga, firebird619:) [00:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:05] paissad (n=paissad@5.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:08] Crap! I missed hitest. [00:08] agentc0re, you can certainly say wow. pretty cool. I wonder if he got the job? [00:09] ouch [00:09] ouchy for sure. how ironic is that? [00:09] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.3.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] chopp: My setup is nearing completion, i.e. screenshot forthcoming. :) [00:09] just life doing its job sir! [00:09] lol [00:10] omg, screen shots :o [00:10] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Client Quit [00:10] andarius: haha [00:10] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:11] andarius: He and slackmagic both want a screenshot of my desktop. I've been working on flux all day. [00:11] ahh. i am lazy, and i like xfce :) [00:11] andarius++ [00:11] xfce is great, but yesterday I switched to flux and am customizing, etc. on it. [00:12] http://67.191.164.127:34224/~andarius/images/screenshots/desktop-03-14-2009.jpg [00:13] OMG...that chick is hot! [00:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:14] andarius: xmms on top? 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[00:17] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) returned to ##slackware. [00:17] hello welcome to freesplit, hang on, and have a nice day. [00:17] If it starts bouncing like crazy.. I'd say another DDoS [00:18] Awww ya'll came back to quick and ruined the netsplit party. [00:18] chopp: it's been splitting every day for the last four days now [00:18] you know what takes a while [00:18] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] filling a 4gb partion with random data [00:19] Probably because your computer is working to generate entropy. [00:19] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-8.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:19] you know what takes longer? Trying to recover that from a crashed disk because you tihnk it's your picture collection. [00:19] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-8.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] toastytoast: What speed is your processor? [00:19] eviljames: heh. [00:19] well i was borit's on my older dell laptop 600Mhz [00:20] i was bored figured why not set it up completly encrypted [00:20] toastytoast: http://securitytube.net/Ten-Cool-Things-You-Did-Not-Know-About-Your-Hard-Drive-video.aspx [00:20] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "one day i would like to be smart. till then i will be happy" [00:21] firebird619: I'm waaaaiting. ;) [00:21] toastytoast: I think it's part 4 or 5. there is a built on function for drives since 2001 (i think) that you can run that will securely wipe the data in a fraction of the time it does to send random to it. [00:21] chopp: the wait won't be much longer. [00:22] well i'm doing it acvcording to the cryptsetup readme [00:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:22] hmm [00:22] i said that the first step that i'm doing right now dd of=/dev/urandom if =/dev/hda4 [00:22] i could have skipped [00:23] backwards [00:23] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda4 [00:23] oh yeah [00:23] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:23] hahahah "damn!! *typing*..." [00:23] the sad ting is i'm lokoing right at it on my screen [00:23] rworkman, thrice` welp, python2.6 and no kdebindings with python, kde 3.5.10 seems just fine. I can't see/anything diff, so I'm gonna run with it. [00:23] just out of curiosity I checked... /dev/zero is 120 times as fast as /dev/urandom on my machine [00:23] here is that secure erase command - http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml [00:23] (that's dd'ing it to /dev/null, not to a disk) [00:24] Urchlay, dev/urandom is really slow. now here's the question I have, why is it super fast on debian lenny? [00:24] for secure erase i jsut use shred [00:24] "SUPPORT: Our sponsor, the National Security Agency, has ended their support of our program, and consequently we have no support staff to respond to problems. " [00:24] I use a screwdriver, hammer and/or blowtorch depending on what the situation requires, and what's at hand. [00:24] (for secure erase that is) [00:24] beantmt (n=bean@opensuse/member/bgmerrell) joined ##slackware. [00:25] toastytoast: why would you wanna dd /dev/urandom to a device? Just to somewhat erase what was previously on there? I am sure you don't need 4gb of random data just lying around to do secure encryption [00:25] for secure erase use hdparm's security erase ability. [00:25] heh. If you're really paranoid, you have to wonder whether the NSA mandated that the secure erase function isn't really secure... [00:25] eviljames: Heh, i'm going to secure erase all my hd's for work with my .45 when i go up to my friends cabin. [00:25] it does it proper. [00:25] liek i tolfd you i' following this ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/README_CRYPT.TXT [00:25] just use 'shred' to wipe [00:25] agentc0re: perfect! That's almost 100% security! [00:25] if you want to do it right use ATA security erase. [00:25] 'shred -n1 -v -z /dev/whichever' tweak as desired obvioulsy [00:25] bottmline [00:25] o [00:26] the readme on setting up encrypted system [00:26] antiwire: thats what i just posted. [00:26] ah [00:26] i've encountered a really crappy problem.. i recently switched one of my older (not too old) servers over from openSUSE to Slack 12.2 to give it a try. It's a fileserver on which I rsync several gigs and hundreds of files from a local sata drive to a local pata drive [00:26] remove disk platters, grind magnetic coating off with a dremel... or melt with sulfuric acid [00:26] antiwire: and we've been discussing things that are more secure than that. [00:26] you think shred is more secure than security erase? [00:26] problem is that the machine hangs part-way through the rsync [00:27] antiwire: we're talking about blowtorches and .45s.. [00:27] or build a big bonfire, chuck the drive in there, let it roast for a few hours (what's the melting point of the magnetic oxide coating, you think?) [00:27] does shred offset writes from track center to "smear" the writes an prevent magnetic scope reading while leaving the disk intact? [00:27] beantmt, is it now two slack boxes rsyncing to each other [00:27] eviljames: almost 100% because some asshole could maybe put some of the pieces back and then maybe read them or look at them through a powerful telescope. however, it would take decades to pull off any of the socials that may or may not be in the data. [00:27] well you can tell shred to write over the data as many time as you want [00:27] hmm, even if the FBI agents find which data is encrypted it would take them fair amount of time to brute force it [00:27] agentc0re: exactly, same as my techniques... [00:27] DBAN ftw [00:27] Old_Fogie: no, it's just a local machine syncing two local hard drives (SATA to PATA, if that matters) [00:28] then if you use scrub and shred the file scrub makes than thats just extremly paraniod [00:28] ATA security erase is superior to DBAN [00:28] toastytoast: yeah but... shred writes normally, as in, all the data for each track always gets written to the same physical location on the disk [00:28] Dominian, yup dban is very nice [00:28] antiwire: oh? [00:28] DBAN doesn't offset writes though [00:28] antiwire: link? [00:28] thats why i said scrub the shred the massive file scrub makes [00:28] back, ugh!! I HATE MY LIFE!!! /wrists! [00:28] someone posted it up there [00:28] dban = 1+ days, .45 = 1+ bullets. Do the math on which one is quicker. :P [00:28] toastytoast: what he's talking about is writing data offset from the normal track locations [00:29] w/e right now i'm tired and jsut want to veg out and prolly end up watching some anime [00:29] Dominian: my two last links. [00:29] untill i decide it's time to sleep [00:29] 10 things about hard drives you didn't know [00:29] agentc0re: I'm drinking [00:29] http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/CmrrSecureEraseProtocols.pdf [00:29] I don't see any links from you. [00:29] have at it [00:29] Dominian: http://securitytube.net/Ten-Cool-Things-You-Did-Not-Know-About-Your-Hard-Drive-video.aspx [00:30] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [00:30] ...knew a guy who kept a giant electromagnet hanging over his PC (the kind that they use to pick up cars at junkyards), idea being he'd power it on if the feds came banging at his door [00:30] watch them all. [00:30] hahaha [00:30] never knew whether that'd really work all that well [00:30] An rsync --dry-run doesn't hang, btw, but that's probably expected [00:30] Urchlay: not so good actually [00:30] Urchlay, hahah, yea it's all pie in the sky. next week someone else will have some cock-a-maymee new app to wipe drives [00:30] so it must be something to do with the actual copying of the files.. I don't see anything weird in /var/log/messages, though. [00:30] the magnetic field is not as consistent as you'd expect [00:31] antiwire: he maybe got the idea from the book "Cryptonomicon"... as a fictional plot device it sounds pretty neat, but I dunno if it'd work IRL [00:31] the gross assumption of most people using these apps, claiming these apps even work is, that all drives are even built the same. as if one size fits all. [00:31] combined with a steel case and well....you basically aren't doing much [00:31] i've placed some powerful neodymium magnets on a harddrive and was still able to read it. [00:31] So, just for curiosity's sake, has anyone actually managed to recover data from dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda ? [00:31] eviljames: it's not us that you worry about [00:31] eviljames: you'd worry about the labs with a magnetic scope [00:32] The guy i replaced at work, mind you please take in that i work for a medical clinic, that he erased all the data with magnets. [00:32] Action: lf4 has a pile of thermite on the top of his harddrive. :) [00:32] With pacemaker magnets. [00:32] wonder if it's possible to use a magnet strong enough that it yanks the heads right through the platters... do that while the drive's spinning and you make a pretty good mess [00:32] eviljames, the dd is fine for purposes of regular people not being able to find anything. it's not good for those who have very expensive equipemnt to recover data. [00:32] pacemaker magnets = not very strong though, right? [00:32] not only did he not erase a single piece of data, he gave it to some 3rd party junker who probably just resold everything. [00:32] Urchlay: data would still be left over and the people you should worry about don't need heads to read the data [00:32] Anyone know about the SDD drives that are out now? [00:32] Urchlay: Exactly. [00:33] my data isn't worth chasing after with an electron microscope [00:33] eviljames: most of us have nothing worth that feat [00:33] antiwire: eh, if the heads actually grind off the magnetic coating, it'd be hard-to-impossible to recostruct it from the remaining dust though [00:33] but I dunno if that'd work [00:33] Urchlay: you think a head scrape will kill all the data? that's false [00:33] http://16systems.com/zero.php <- that's what I was referring to. [00:33] no, not a simple head scrape [00:33] in fact the heads won't be able to read it but the magnetic signature is still there [00:34] just because you destroy the heads and mangle part of the surface doesn't ensure jack [00:34] heh, if they scrape the coating off completely (at least on the track that's under the head) [00:34] fire is the only sure way to remove it... melt the disk platters. [00:34] wouldn't work for the entire drive though [00:34] lf4: proving that the blowtorch IS the secure erase. [00:35] lol more power eviljames thermite then you dont have to worry about time no one would want to get near that to try and save the drive. [00:35] So what software is recommeneded over dban? [00:35] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:35] Dominian: if you are paranoid, use hdparm [00:35] er.. what? [00:36] Dominian, they offer a written guarantee if you follow dban's links (for pay) [00:36] Dominian: hdparam --security-help you'll see [00:36] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] hdparm* [00:36] lf4: then what happens if the case alarm goes off by mistake? :D [00:36] unless you're paranoid enough that you don't trust the drive's firmware to actually implement the ATA secure erase command correctly [00:36] Dominian, that's what the author of dban does for a living [00:36] --security-erase [00:36] eviljames: you run for your life ;) [00:36] Action: eviljames is EASILY more paranoid than that.. [00:36] use --security-help to see the options [00:37] antiwire: I'm not that paranoid [00:37] haha [00:37] ;) [00:37] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] just need something that's good at wiping out data ;) [00:37] dban or even dev zero are usually sufficient [00:37] Urchlay: the nWo just want you to THINK that the hard drive is securely erased. they're searching through your trash right now man. Can't you hear their walkie talkies? Maybe you need to tune your fillings, man... they're actually pretty good at intercepting CIA/NSA radio frequencies [00:37] Dominian, dban's fine here [00:37] keep the data encrypted with PGP then dban the drive while you light the thermite and no worries ;) [00:37] but when we all start talking paranoid.. you know [00:37] as I understand it, hdparm sends the drive a secure-erase command, and the drive reports back "ok, I did it"... who's to know if the firmware lies (either on purpose or due to buggy code)? [00:38] Well, if it did it immediately, you'd be sure. Secure erase should be on the order of hours, not seconds. [00:38] eviljames: if they're searching through my trash, I feel sorry for 'em. Nothing in there but coffee grounds and rotten leftovers... [00:38] Dominian, we tried many recovery apps to test dban at the office. none of them we tried got anything. we also found that like many people state the 35 passes means nothing. [00:38] yeah it would take about 3hrs for us to dban some drives at work. [00:39] eviljames: well sure. I meant, if it waited the correct amount of time before reporting that it's done [00:39] we found 3-5 was fine for passes [00:39] Old_Fogie: yeah.. [00:39] We did 7 passes. [00:39] send them to ibas in norway. They can recover data from most things the buggers [00:39] goverment... gee they are so paranoid lol [00:40] Old_Fogie: I promise you, the FBI/CIA/NSA/KGB/Illuminati would have better recovery tools than a plain PC running a commercial recovery utility... [00:40] depending on the data, the gov't is supposed to tag, move the drive with chain of custody, and incinerate; well if you read the half assed spec that's mentioned [00:40] Urchlay, oh ofcourse they do. [00:41] just spooge on the disk and they won't wanna touch it [00:41] Urchlay, and I would hope and expect them to , to be honest [00:41] of course there's the fatalistic point of view: if you're in a position where the government will invest that much time/effort in getting you, you pretty much have to consider yourself screwed [00:41] Dominian: they'll say "ohhh no, DNA is scary!" [00:41] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.27.138) joined ##slackware. [00:41] Has anyone gotten to play with a SDD drive before? [00:41] they can just point a gun at your head and say "gimme your passphrase" [00:41] Then they'll call it an act of bioterroism [00:42] lf4: sdd or ssd ? [00:42] "under the Patriot Act.. we now have to remove your sack..." [00:42] lol eviljames SSD haha [00:42] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:42] fingers got a little lazy I guess. [00:42] what is the app called for wifi connection [00:43] ? [00:43] chopp: any idea what 15: config file error, 16: config file error, etc. for conky? [00:43] skibur: wicd [00:43] it uses python [00:43] ok [00:43] thanks [00:43] np [00:43] from the link with the videos i posted earlier the guy mentions something about the two different tables that get written for harddrives. I think they were called the M and P tables, which dban or dd doesn't touch the m tables. the M tables are all the sectors marked as bad and the p tables are where those were moved to. so technically any data that was on there, has a potential of being recovered. [00:43] lf4: I had to choose between getting 2x of those or 2x 15k disks for a RAID1 not long ago. I chose the spindles :/ [00:44] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:44] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:44] eviljames: how come lol and 15k is a fast speed but thats not the reason for SSD in my case. [00:44] This drive will be in a car so less moving parts the better. [00:44] agentc0re, I personally question the ability of some program, to over-write a sector marked bad by the hard drive to be honest [00:45] lf4: depending on the size you need, ssd is probably less good than just using a 16GB flash drive [00:45] eviljames: your reasoning for that? [00:46] ssd is a relatively expensive, somewhat unproven technology. [00:46] Old_Fogie: Did you watch those video's i posted earlier? I found them to be very informational. Weather or not they are true is up in the air, but i believed it. The question is would you ever really need to go as far as that to make sure no one could get your data? no. [00:46] agentc0re, especially when, drives made by diff manufacturer's, diff firmware, etc [00:46] usb jump drives are cheap and ubiquitous [00:46] firebird619: no sorry, I haven't seen that one. [00:46] eviljames: true I'll look in to that but having many USB devices might cause a power issue for a carputer. [00:47] chopp: Ok, thanks. I'm getting those yet stuff functions, but the calendar part is messed up and doesn't display completely. [00:47] agentc0re, yeah, if you really have to go to such extreme's, it's simply not cost effective the time it would take to do so, you're just better off having the drive incinerated for a few bux. [00:47] Hey firebird619 :) How is everything? [00:48] i'm going to build a carputer myself.. out of this http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9832 [00:48] lf4: doing very well, trying to figure this conky issue out, but doing very well. :) [00:48] Old_Fogie: Or shooting it with your .45 :P [00:48] firebird619: Thats good to hear... hope you figure it out. :) [00:48] here guys, when you run hdparm -I /dev/XXX it will tell you if the disk supports security erase and how long it should take: 66min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 66min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT. [00:48] lf4: yeah, me too. [00:49] depends on disk you know [00:49] agentc0re, yea. the only people that those 'discoveries' benefit is law enforcement, who will pay to develop technology to read the data there. other than that, it's almost wasted web space, just my 0.02 [00:49] eviljames: any suggestions for flash drives? [00:50] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.29.19) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:50] yea see , 66 min to erase the drive. at that point, you can take it out to your work shop, and grind it with a 10$ grinder from walmart, and *know* it's really scrapped [00:50] not even the drive, the firmware [00:50] the safest thing is to use a bunch of pwned window boxes out there and store your stuff on them [00:50] heh 162min to erase. [00:51] agentc0re, right, 162 min, that's not even the drive [00:51] Action: Old_Fogie fires up the grinders :) [00:51] done! [00:51] heh [00:51] lol [00:51] Action: agentc0re loads the .45 [00:51] done! [00:51] exactly [00:51] well yeah, truly killing the disk physically is a sure shot method [00:51] lf4: you could house custom software in this http://www.logicsupply.com/products/sfm20i_4g [00:52] lf4: interface with it with http://www.logicsupply.com/products/70atpc_of [00:52] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] antiwire, that's my point, is , for governements, or agencies that really wish to eradicate, time vs energy, killing the drive physically, is still most cost effective in my book. [00:52] lf4: then attach a usb hub, and use a thumb drive for the media collection [00:53] so since we're talking about physically destroying the disk the only "cool" way to do that is with thermite [00:53] duh [00:53] uh, +1 thermite [00:53] yeah, just dont do it in your living room [00:53] :) [00:53] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:53] lol [00:53] eviljames: here is the display I was going to use. https://www.xenarcdirect.com/product.php?productid=16189&cat=0&page=1 [00:53] make sure you borrow your /parents'/ living room because it is bigger. [00:53] no no no, be cool and do it on your lap, i'll give you $500 if you can! [00:53] but for someone selling a pooter on ebay, a dban, or shred is more than suffice. [00:54] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:54] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151064087.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Old_Fogie: I dont think it would matter where you do it if the feds are after you lol lighting your computer on fire would be a dead give away that you wont be in your living room for a while. [00:54] Old_Fogie: what about craigslist? :P [00:54] tecky, :) [00:54] lf4, yup [00:55] lf4: i like it, has the amp and all built right in.. a little pricey? [00:55] the thing about encrypted filesystems though... [00:55] Yeah it is a little but its nice I've been waiting for that over a year now. [00:56] In total if I get the 60GB SSD this carputer would be about $1,200 [00:56] if you fill the disk with zeroes (or it comes that way from the factory), then you set up the cryptoloop stuff and mkfs... until the disk starts getting full, the vast majority of the data on it is the encrypted form of tons & tons of zeroes [00:56] here ya go. Thermite ftw! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-ckechIqW0 [00:56] kinda informative http://www.techthrob.com/2009/03/02/howto-delete-files-permanently-and-securely-in-linux/ [00:56] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [00:56] can't vouch for it tho. [00:57] an attacker would be able to safely assume that the last few megs of the partition are crypted zeroes, which basically gives him a chosen plaintext for his analysis [00:57] What's the command to (un)bz2 a file? [00:57] lol thats a nice idea Urchlay :) [00:57] tar -xjf? [00:57] ccfreak2k, tar -xf ? [00:57] writing random garbage first, even if it's not "securely random", would make an attack harder [00:58] you have to add the j for old old tar, but slack dont need it anymore [00:58] oh cool [00:58] it'll automagically ID the tar type [00:58] eviljames: What about two of these? lol think that might work? :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220370 [00:58] Rat409, yup [00:59] Rat409, in fact it seems to work for the new slackware package type too [00:59] lf4: hahah yea, those'll do. [00:59] with just tar -xf [00:59] nice :) [00:59] lf4: I must just be cheap ;) [00:59] I just started playing with this lzma stuff, I'm still baffled , but it works, heh [00:59] Never heard of Patriot flash drives ;) [00:59] patriot flash drive... fully compliant with the patriot act? [00:59] Old_Fogie: Don't you have to pipe it to zip it as a xz ? [01:00] lf4, "Patriot flash drives" ... <--part of "patriot act" ... "all your 0000 are belong to us?" :) [01:00] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-025-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Patriot makes decent memory products [01:00] hahaha Old_Fogie nice :) [01:00] agentc0re, let me double check one more time [01:00] they usually have life time warranties for their RAM too [01:00] file python-2.6.2-docs-text.tar.xz ---> python-2.6.2-docs-text.tar.xz: data [01:01] or just go with Luxio drives that have 256bit AES encryption lol [01:01] mmm...nope it works fine tar -xf on that worked [01:01] $150 for 64GB flash dirve ouch lol [01:01] so file on my pc, which is 12.1 has no idea what an .xz is, but my tar does [01:01] Old_Fogie: Oh no, i ment on creating them. Sorry, that's what i thought you meant at first. [01:01] maybe --current the 'file' app knows, [01:01] ? [01:02] Rat409, Old_Fogie, not tar'd. [01:02] agentc0re, well yea you have to tell tar which compress algo you need [01:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:02] but for extract, tar just understards. [01:02] http://www.meritline.com/16gb-usb-flash-drive-and-up---c-7667.aspx [01:02] ccfreak2k: you mean you have some file.bz2 that isn't a tarball? "bunzip2 file.bz2" [01:02] meritline is pretty nice [01:02] Humm... 64GB flash drive or 60GB SSD... they are the same price haha :P [01:02] bunzip2, that's it. [01:03] bzip a file, that's odd [01:03] antiwire: never heard of them before. [01:03] or, not common [01:03] lf4: i've ordered from them and they are trustworthy [01:03] but of course...YMMV [01:03] Old_Fogie, makes sense if you're only compressing one file. [01:03] hi :) [01:04] ccfreak2k, yup true, just not something I certainly see often [01:04] antiwire: I'll check it out :) maybe they have a pretty good deal. [01:04] ccfreak2k, I dont think I'd even do it really, as most people I might even send it to, would even know what to do with it either. [01:04] actually that's what you're doing always. bzipping a .tar file... it's just that the tools do a little extra work to save you the step of manually tarring and bzipping separately [01:05] Or I could always get a cheep drive and when it dies from all the bumps buy a new one :P [01:06] Hi Camarade_Tux. How are you? [01:06] hey Camarade_Tux :) [01:07] hi firebird619, hi lf4 :) [01:07] doing fine, thanks, and you ? [01:07] hows it going? [01:07] Action: Camarade_Tux will be on time today ! [01:08] Camarade_Tux: Thats not good... your going to be setting expectations now.. ;) [01:08] Camarade_Tux: doing very well, thanks. [01:08] i need suggestions on where i put my password for my server's iLO 2 system [01:08] lf4: lol [01:08] jeev: how about on my computer :) [01:08] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [01:09] I vote for sticky note on monitor [01:09] :) [01:09] (just kidding dont do that either) [01:09] :< [01:09] i cant find it [01:09] i cant find it anywhere [01:09] the monitor? it's the thing infront of you [01:09] and my server is off at the datacenter, i could turn it on with ilo :/ [01:09] no! the password lol [01:09] tattoo the password on your forehead [01:09] i've been trying to guess it for 2 months now [01:09] i even went to the datacenter and forgot to reset it!! [01:09] backwards, so you can read it in the mirror [01:10] is there a way I could diff between two essid. on a dhcp request..so I know what ips to assign? [01:10] I use ********** as my password so in case masking is off, or on, is of no concern to me, it's very safe :) [01:10] Action: lf4 needs to appologize in advance I'm probably not in the right mind to talk sanely [01:10] I just have to remember how many * I used [01:10] bijit: can you describe the setup first? [01:10] :) [01:10] haha Old_Fogie Thats awesome!!! [01:10] bijit: i have a couple ideas but it depends on your setup [01:10] lf4, :) [01:10] you can always do an ascii hard return for a password :P [01:10] <: [01:11] length of a password is much more secure then complexity. [01:11] lf4: so AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA is more secure than 987654esdbvfsear3(*&^%$#@Wgfdfgdqwewet ? [01:11] orly? [01:11] here we go, the size matters debate, no matter where I go... [01:11] ... [01:11] lol antiwire did you count how long each one of those are? [01:11] http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1554 [01:11] lf4: you get the idea [01:11] Old_Fogie: lol [01:11] haha someone got my pun :) [01:12] I use this at work, copied the source and host it internally. http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/pass_phrase.html [01:12] I have two essid WNEX01, WNAD01, ...It WNEX01 request ip.. It should go to a dhcp server on linux,,,else go to another dhcp [01:12] Yep its mathmatically proven. [01:12] Teh most secure password is pi ! [01:12] I have a phrase i enter into the seed to generate the same set of "phrases" eachtime i need a new one. [01:12] bijit: does each ESSID have its own subnet? [01:12] figure that one out hackers! [01:12] Old_Fogie: NO NOT AT ALL ;) will i get kicked for caps? lol [01:13] I use pi for my password, it's been 4 years, I still ain't logged in yet either [01:13] rofl [01:13] lol [01:13] I'm still typing it in [01:13] :D [01:13] haha [01:13] wtf passwords are those [01:13] antiwire: no they are on the same subnet..that is why I want to figure out which essid is requesting to assign a diff subnet [01:13] lf4 has been kicked. ("You start to shout, I kick you out") [01:13] jeev: geek passwords [01:13] too sexy for me [01:13] jeev: That indeed. [01:14] bijit: the problem is that (as far as i know) the ESSID is not a valid DHCP service identifier [01:14] i must locate thy password. [01:14] isn't this a good password? :) 2) its fig nympho sheet roe ranchman [01:14] heh [01:14] bijit: i'm thinking about this for a minute, one sec [01:15] antiwire: I am using ruckus wireless Zone Director 1000 [01:15] I wonder how many windows users , put the password in the password hint field when they (if they ever even do) setup a win password [01:15] Action: lf4 [n=lf4@/student/lf4] has been kicked [Watch the CAPS! (Connection timed out)] [01:15] lf4, are you drunk? how'd you get kicked and connection timed out at the same time? [01:15] bijit: i have no idea what that is. if it is supposed to be able to deal with this then consult the documentation or the manufacturer [01:15] Old_Fogie: you a paranoid either way...how many ips have you memorized? [01:15] i know you didnt get .. i mean why would you fake that? [01:15] ;D [01:15] lf4, nah, I'm *always* later, they can't be expecting anything ;) [01:15] lol i'm special [01:15] bijit, a ton! still working on ipv6 tho :) [01:16] Camarade_Tux: Ahh good one :) then you're still safe. [01:16] by the way, it doesn't help that i forgot the username too. [01:16] antiwire: it doesn't that is why I am trying to figure out [01:16] lf4: And that's news to, who? ;) [01:16] Old_Fogie: lol [01:16] agentc0re: oh... its not new news I know :) [01:16] lol : http://www.aplusbi.com/?page_id=9 ;p [01:17] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.55) joined ##slackware. [01:17] bijit: Do you know all of the clients who will be using the various ESSIDs or will they be random? [01:17] Actually I've kinda had a bad day so I came in here for relief [01:17] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1187 [01:17] antiwire: WNEX01 is for students and its more than 3000 [01:17] ok [01:17] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [01:18] lf4, check out that noobfarm quote [01:18] Old_Fogie: LOL [01:18] :) [01:18] Old_Fogie: lol [01:18] 1.2.3.4.5.6 [01:19] I'm still not smiling haha [01:19] aha, I love that one : http://noobfarm.org/?id=1518 ;p [01:19] lol [01:20] yea that's great [01:20] hahaha wow [01:20] *doh* (in homer simpson voice) [01:20] Camarade_Tux: Ya, that's great. [01:21] hahahahaha at noobfarm [01:21] Camarade_Tux: Thats cool does it really do that? it seems to good to be true. [01:22] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] fireman freakout fail, http://failblog.org/2009/05/11/fireman-fail-2/ [01:26] omfg [01:27] lol liquid fire everywhere! [01:28] agentc0re: thats crazy [01:28] failblog.org has some good ones today on the first few pages. [01:28] tfmm (n=tfmm1983@tu152043.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) joined ##slackware. [01:31] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [01:31] BP{k}: http://failblog.org/2009/05/05/breathalyzer-fail-2/ you can look forward to those days later on in life :P [01:31] http://failblog.org/page/3/ is good :) [01:32] that breathalyzer one is awesome [01:32] lf4, no idea, we'd have to ask them ;) [01:33] time to test it lol he gives the source code :) [01:33] Now here's a depressing website. http://whythefuckdoyouhaveakid.com/ [01:33] agentc0re: Yeah that site was really messed up [01:35] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:35] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:36] lf4, misunderstood your last question, and yes, it does :) [01:37] chopp: You around? [01:37] Thats cool :) [01:38] firebird619: I am so. [01:38] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-98-192-82-158.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:38] chopp: Ok, here's what I got: http://imagebin.org/48735 [01:38] lf4, just tested :) [01:38] For whatever reason, the calendar is messed up, haven't figured it out yet. [01:39] cool lol [01:39] slackmagic: you around? see above link. [01:39] firebird619: What?!? No uber hot chicks? [01:39] agentc0re: Nope. [01:39] I have to test it some time as well just have to much on my mind right now. [01:39] agentc0re: Where's your desktop? [01:39] 1 star, for effort. :P [01:39] :( [01:39] firebird619: filled with porn, can't find the printscreen button. [01:39] firebird619: hey that looks great, except like you said the cal. :) [01:40] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:40] agentc0re: :D [01:40] chopp: yeah, any ideas on the calendar? [01:40] agentc0re: you shouldn't judge based on what the wallpaper is. [01:40] firebird619: I'm giving you a hard time. [01:40] agentc0re: I know. [01:40] BP{k}: I thought you'd like that :) [01:41] ye gods [01:41] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] firebird619: I've never tried that in conky, but I'll mess with it and see. [01:41] way too much crap visible there, how can you concentrate on what you're trying to actually do? [01:41] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.55) joined ##slackware. [01:41] chopp: Also, as you may have noticed, I got weather working in conky. :) [01:41] Urchlay: too much crap? What's yours look like? [01:41] empty? [01:42] Also, if anyone is interested, here's the arch forums for conky screenshots/configs: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=39906&p=1 [01:43] Urchlay, I'll take a screenshot of my desktop for you, sure you'll love it ;) [01:43] Action: Camarade_Tux maybe on time [01:43] see you all :) [01:43] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:43] yuh sens is best i've seen :) [01:43] Hey Rat409 [01:44] very nice desktop, btw [01:44] Rat409: thanks. :) [01:44] I'm sure I'll keep tweaking it here and there, who know's maybe even get a way different conky, there's so many possiblities. [01:45] well, I have 4 virtual desktops... you really wanna see my 1980s-looking stuff, I'll show you [01:45] soon's I remember how... thought it was "import -root blah.png" but apparently not [01:45] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:45] Urchlay: Yeah [01:45] yup gotta love f/oss and mix n match:) [01:45] Urchlay: I just used ksnapshot. [01:45] Rat409: agreed, [01:45] s/,/. [01:46] Urchlay: window-root i think. but i use scrot mostly [01:46] well 5-6 years ago when I cared about having a l33t-looking desktop, I knew how to take screenshots :) [01:46] Urchlay: import -w root filename [01:46] This is some conky alright: http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2558/screenshotvf4.png [01:46] Hey slackmagic, you get my link? [01:46] firebird619: nice desktop indeed [01:46] slackmagic: thanks. :) [01:46] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] yeah, -window root is it (-root doesn't work) [01:47] alien_bob (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:47] wow firebird619 is that your desktop? lol [01:48] lf4: Not that link I just posted with all the colors, that thing is crazy. [01:48] Yeah I know lol that was to busy and hard to read. [01:48] no kidding [01:49] i thought mine was a little hard to read but that is jsut ow [01:49] br0din (n=vector@125.161.146.85) joined ##slackware. [01:49] I found this to be interesting: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/echo3bravo/Screenshot-2-1.png [01:49] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Client Quit [01:49] hmm [01:50] br0din (n=vector@125.161.146.85) left irc: Client Quit [01:50] firebird619: Yeah that one is interesting kinda a cool idea. :) [01:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:50] in deed it is [01:50] firebird619: your conky is not set in the background? or with some kind of transparency? [01:50] http://sen7.deviantart.com/art/Conky-Mira-100078939 is best i've found so far [01:51] best pre-made conky anyways [01:51] slackmagic: no, plus see how the calendar is messed up? [01:51] Rat409: Yeah that does look nice and clean. [01:51] ok, using imagebin, so there have to be 4 of them... #1 here: http://imagebin.org/48736 [01:52] firebird619: cal messed up most likely due to font is my guess, I had that issue too when I played around with cal and torsmo actually [01:52] #2 here: http://imagebin.org/48737 and #3 http://imagebin.org/48738 [01:52] #4: http://imagebin.org/48739 [01:53] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) left irc: "Leaving" [01:53] wmaker? [01:53] notice the xterm on the right-hand side is the same terminal, it's always there on all 4 desktops [01:53] (what you can't see is that there's another xterm underneath that, same size/shape, that does the same thing) [01:53] ouch, my eyes. you can read that really good? [01:53] yeah [01:53] Urchlay: nice system :) [01:53] why ouch? font too small? [01:54] Well the font is not to small, but just not as nice and smooth as I like, and on some, the colors. But that's me, I don't care much for black backround in terms, etc. [01:54] lf4: last week was going to go back to using fvwm2, but ehhh, I lost my old config files for it [01:55] This is cool: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4120/desktopwc7.jpg [01:55] ah. I *only* like black backgrounds... [01:55] Urchlay: as long as you know where stuff is and how to work it, I'm sure its a great desktop ;) [01:55] Urchlay: Same with me :) [01:55] firebird619: hm, that looks like "Movie OS"... like something you'd see in a movie I mean [01:56] Urchlay: Yeah, the description for that one says he went with a space theme, too much Halo and Mass Effect. :) [01:56] my desktop.. http://yfrog.com/0jimagesblack1j [01:57] Hey chopp, recognize the wallpaper: http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4924/200903061405531440x900s.png [01:57] slackmagic: well, 60% of what I do, I do inside an xterm (all desktops have 'em), and 30% is in the browser (always alt-3 to get to that desktop)... the remaining 10% all show up on desktop #4 (alt-4) [01:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("mIRC"). [01:58] lf4: that's a really nice background image... your own creation? [01:58] my fluxbox -> is very nice http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/xerodill/backgroundsandstuff/sc1.jpg [01:58] Urchlay: fvwm forum has tons of nice configs,which you probly already know. and fvwm-crystal is instant on fvwm. [01:58] http://buhkit.net/~michiel/screenies/hades-20080812-1.png [01:58] (the hand with colorful fire I mean, if I haven't got my URLs mixed up) [01:58] Urchlay: Yeah it was really difficlt to get the #000000 coloring correctly ;) [01:58] toastytoast: nice. [01:58] lol [01:59] toastytoast: thats a nice setup. [01:59] Urchlay: I know what you mean, I'm on fluxbox, but don't use a taskbar; I switch between my deskspaces back and forth depending on what I want to work on or see. It's amazing stuff [01:59] ty very much [01:59] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-025-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.27.138) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:00] OK, this was my desktop from 1980 to about 1990: http://imagebin.org/48740 [02:00] yes [02:00] lol Urchlay [02:00] best ever [02:01] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [02:01] Urchlay: hehe [02:02] and this was my desktop from like 1991 to 1994 or so: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/ST_Desktop.png [02:02] (except I didn't really use it much, was too busy trying to become a rock star) [02:04] wish I had screenshots of my "so 1337" phase, transparency with naked anime chick backgrounds, specifically chosen to annoy my boss and make the PC unusable by anyone but me :) [02:04] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host215-19-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:04] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Connection timed out [02:04] lol funny Urchlay I'll have to remember that. [02:04] firebird619: if you happen to crave some females on your desktop, feel free to have a look at http://walls.slackmagic.com Haven't updated in a long time there, but there should be something you might want to use [02:05] Urchlay: oh, like this is usable: http://imagebin.org/48740 ?? [02:06] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] 10 PRINT "y0usux0rzzz!!!@#" [02:06] 20 GOTO 10 [02:07] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [02:07] if i had that for a desktop and my chest were a cannon, i'd rip it open and blast it with my heart [02:07] eviljames: just lost it.. [02:07] slackmagic: Do you have tar balls of those images? [02:08] Ekc (n=iskar@90-154-132-39.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [02:09] antler: well, yeah [02:09] back then if you had a computer at home, you had some variation of that [02:09] Atari2600! :) [02:11] slackmagic: nice NSFW section [02:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [02:12] indeed!! [02:13] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:13] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Client Quit [02:13] slackmagic: thanks, but I think I'll stick with what I got. :) [02:14] agentc0re: you'd like that link of slackmagic's [02:14] firebird619: what is the snapshot of your desktops link? [02:14] lf4: http://imagebin.org/48735 [02:17] yay, the CPU i wrote works with the assembler i wrote [02:17] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:17] edman007: YAY [02:18] now i can go to bed...tomorrow night i shall implement AES on it [02:18] night firebird619 [02:18] night edman007 [02:18] night edman007 [02:18] firebird619: calendar http://chopp.homelinux.com/pub/cal.png [02:18] firebird619: Oh I did not know that was yours [02:18] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] well time to crash,be well! all. [02:19] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:20] esom (n=enigma@222.172.214.238) joined ##slackware. [02:20] chopp: sweet, you got it going. Did you use a script or how did you make it? [02:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat079.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Success [02:20] hi all [02:21] hi esom [02:21] hm [02:21] firebird619: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13642 [02:21] so almost finished with setting up the old dell laptop i have [02:22] chopp: Thank you. [02:22] hopefully if i did everything right it shoudl be completly ecrypted except /boot [02:22] tfmm (n=tfmm1983@tu152043.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:22] I'm gonna try that right now. :) [02:23] firebird619: you're welcome. It's basic, but a start anyway. [02:24] anyone running virtualbox 2.2.2 with guest additions? [02:24] that's really all I need for a calendar so that's perfect. [02:24] anyone running virtualbox 2.2.2 with guest additions in slack 12.1 ? [02:25] firebird619: the current day is not highlighted, but that should be easy. [02:26] chopp: That didn't help the weird dates though, slackmagic mentioned the font used, I'm looking into that now. [02:27] briareus_: nop sorry just checked and mines 2.2.0 [02:27] thanks [02:27] firebird619: yes I'd say it has to be your font [02:27] lf4: thanks for checking I think I just sorted it out :) [02:28] chopp: Where is the font specified for that, I don't see anything in the .conkyrc_calendar file. [02:29] lf4: http://slackmagic.com/beaches_and_islands.tar.gz http://slackmagic.com/miscellaneous.tar.gz http://slackmagic.com/japanese-models.tar.gz have fun [02:30] cool thanks a lot slackmagic :) [02:31] slackmagic: looks like it is my font with the calendar. [02:31] firebird619: told ya :) [02:31] haha [02:31] slackmagic: I just am trying to figure out where it's defined for that so I can fix it. [02:32] Does anyone know what's going on with the slackwiki? [02:32] all of the tutorials are gone [02:33] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [02:33] need expert advice for a media system which would be better? lol http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220370 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227373 [02:34] antiwire: alien_bob is aware of it. http://slackwiki.org/Special:AllPages [02:34] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:34] chopp: phew! [02:34] thanks [02:35] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.62.215) joined ##slackware. [02:35] antiwire: messed me up too. :) [02:35] lf4, meadia system? what do you mean? those url links you provided are usb flash drives [02:36] anybody have a list of common modules to disable when compiling a custom kernel? [02:36] tank-man: Yeah I am trying to decide which would be best for storing my files and OS. [02:36] redtricycle: there is no such list it is completely user and system dependent [02:37] redtricycle: though one of the easier places to start disabling modules is in the network drivers section [02:38] lf4, I would think using a solid state drive is overkill for that purpose [02:38] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Use solid state drives if: you are in a high vibration environment [02:38] i'd like that SSD for my laptop though [02:38] heh, you probly can get by without any of the proprietary CD-ROM interfaces, or F-tape, or IBM XT hard disk support... [02:38] that would be nice for using googleearth in the truck out on trails [02:38] 2. you subject your storage device to 1000+ G's [02:38] =/ [02:38] or those stoopid old parallel port zip/jaz/etc drives [02:39] i've destroyed many standard HDDs in my truck [02:39] redtricycle: lol yep its for a carputer. [02:39] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-8.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Fare thee well, Sir's" [02:39] MicroChannel can go [02:40] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.224.123) left irc: "leaving" [02:40] tank-man: this is for a carputer which is why I was going with SSD drives instead of normal ones. [02:41] damn i think i broke it its been sitting at preparing to configure your new Linux system for about 20 mins [02:41] lf4: dang man you're making me want to buy one now [02:41] firebird619: most .conkyrc's I've seen the font size is configured for each section. I only need it configured once for the whole thing. (line 11) [02:41] toastytoast: no thats now long it takes ;) [02:41] right [02:41] "preparing to configure your new...", are you sure it doesn't say Windows? [02:42] antiwire: lol [02:42] it didn't take that long to do it on me 233mhz toshiba [02:42] pretty sure i broke it [02:42] and i have an adiea on fixing it [02:42] idea* [02:42] big hammer? [02:42] darn, nullboy's kernel compiling tips/steps got deleted [02:42] use to be at http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11928 [02:42] lol [02:43] hey i fixed it [02:43] yay me [02:43] and no [02:43] i did not use a hammer [02:43] lastmansitting (n=19kuban4@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:43] starting to think about possibly getting ready to prepare to configure your... nah, not ready to take such a drastic step. [02:44] maybe [02:44] but i think it had soemthign to do with the cd drive comeing out [02:45] its one fo the cool dells [02:45] antiwire: I hear the gears turning. ;) [02:45] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:45] let me see [02:45] chopp: yeah, i needed the slackwiki for the sql info ;) [02:45] muhahaha [02:45] Ok lol I just ordered it time to see if SSD drives are all they are cracked up to be. [02:45] lastmansitting (n=19kuban4@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left ##slackware. [02:46] antiwire, you still online??!!! [02:46] http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/in-Action/wennmach-daemon-1.jpg [02:46] ? [02:46] greetings * [02:46] the latch where the cd drive goes in on mine is missing so it is a little loose [02:46] toastytoast: that a purple laptop? lol [02:46] antiwire, well, here in greece the day changed and i remember you where here..lets say 7 to 8 hours ago ;) [02:46] mines black [02:47] altho a purple one would have been cool as hell [02:47] esom (n=enigma@222.172.214.238) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:47] toastytoast, mine gets the job done :p [02:48] The-Croupier: ah [02:48] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:48] redtricycle: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13646 [02:48] well i ahve a sony vaio 1.6ghz sinlge core but i mean this one was laying in it and the parts it was missing cost under $100 [02:48] so i figured why not [02:49] is that a box of floppy disks lol [02:49] behind the purple laptop [02:49] toastytoast: yeah a pruple one would be cool. [02:49] chopp: sweet, you helped repaste it in? [02:49] I better save it this time... [02:50] and its late think I'll call it a night. [02:50] night all. [02:50] I'm saving that one too dang [02:50] redtricycle: yes for god sakes save it..yes I had a copy. [02:50] lastmansitting (n=19kuban4@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:51] upgrading from 12.2 to -current, and slackpkg docu says to run install-new before upgrade-all, why? [02:51] oh and btw i bought a box of floppies recently [02:51] toastytoast: Nostalgic! Nice! [02:52] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "sleeping" [02:52] i'm not sure why i got 100 of them i sjut wanted to try out soeome of the floppy distros [02:52] chopp: ok, thanks. [02:52] haha, do they even sell them by anything less than 100? =P [02:52] lastmansitting: it is a precaution to take in the event that there could be packages that have been added that the pkgtools might need (i think) [02:52] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-178-108-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] morning all [02:52] morning nille. [02:52] thank you [02:53] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:53] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:53] morning goodnight it's all the same [02:53] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-0-111.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] now it's all of you thats up to late [02:53] its only 3 in the morning [02:53] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] is it necessary to run clean-system after upgrading to -current? [02:54] 9am here [02:54] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [02:54] lastmansitting: you should [02:54] lastmansitting yes [02:54] lastmansitting: consult the changelog though [02:54] ok [02:54] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [02:55] thanks, have a good night/morning [02:55] things might have been removed or turned into other packages [02:55] lastmansitting: the changelog will list packages that have been removed, you do not have to remove packages you have added but it is ok to remove the the ones that the changelog says have been removed. [02:55] yeah, like pine got replaced by alpine in 12.2 [02:55] BitchX is now gone too [02:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [02:55] lol [02:55] i was wondering what would happen if i didn't type yes in all caps [02:56] do I have to do the upgrade from single-user mode? [02:56] on the other hand. There's no reason you *have* to remove bitchx (it didn't get replaced with anything that conflicts with it) [02:56] lastmansitting: that is the best practice [02:56] chopp: Mine didn't have a font set, I used what you had and it works great now. [02:56] if you leave pine installed and install alpine on top of it, it makes a bit of a mess [02:56] firebird619: awsome [02:56] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:56] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left ##slackware ("2+2=5. You better believe it."). [02:56] lastmansitting i often use init3 when i upgrade [02:56] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429003.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:57] but 99.9% of you people will never notice if pine/alpine is broken, because you're not likely to actually use it [02:57] what if there was a kernel update? [02:57] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [02:57] chopp: I'll re-do a screenshot here in a bit. [02:57] lastmansitting: doesn't matter since the only time the kernel is actually executed is during boot [02:57] greeting firebird619 [02:57] how are you today..;) [02:58] Hi The-Croupier. Doing great, how are you? [02:58] does slackpkg change lilo's config file to the latest kernel or do I have to do this manually? [02:58] lastmansitting then you would be upgradeing version and not the install you have [02:58] how did that qt go for you?? i finished it last night at 4.30 or something [02:58] The-Croupier: It is finished, took about 3.5-4 hours. :) [02:58] im at work..waiting for students..they were online gaming again...so not so many ppl ;) [02:58] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [02:58] lastmansitting: it will put the new kernel in place and ask you if you want it to run lilo but you should check lilo.conf yourself anyway [02:58] I'm going for current, 12.2 atm [02:59] will do [02:59] firebird619, damn..i wish i new that before starting that one ;) [02:59] greetings dive [02:59] hi [02:59] The-Croupier: haha. [02:59] take care guys [02:59] good luck [02:59] Hey dive, how are you? [02:59] lastmansitting: you too. :) [02:59] lastmansitting (n=19kuban4@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: [02:59] lastmansitting: just take your time ;) [02:59] hungover :( [02:59] party? [02:59] lol [02:59] hows are you? [02:59] great, thanks. [03:00] firebird619, we cannot use the jedi power today...its really quiet ;) [03:00] dive: i find hangovers are hilarious, even if it's my own hangover. We are humans so we know exactly what will happen yet we do it anyway. that is comical [03:00] The-Croupier: lol, I guess not. [03:00] antiwire, yep [03:01] Drink plenty of water before you get drunk [03:01] but there's always the hope that we won't get one _this_ time ;-) [03:01] booze dehydrates you [03:01] i got so messed up with my best friend during his birthday party...the next day we were all hating life [03:01] hence the hangover [03:01] antiwire: I find hangovers comical because I don't get them :) [03:02] yes something to do with brain shrinkage or something [03:02] i don't drink [03:02] Urchlay: i get epic hangovers [03:02] Action: superGear is too old to drink [03:02] feels like the flu, then i'm fine [03:02] too old? [03:02] shhhhhhhh [03:02] drinkin for you youngins [03:02] I get epically drunk sometimes, but I'm physically incapable of falling asleep while drunk [03:02] dive, not safe convo talking about age ;;;) [03:02] Action: dive is 46 next month [03:02] http://79.131.227.201/copy.com [03:03] damn ... i feeel like a child [03:03] old enough to know better [03:03] lol [03:03] who's older dive or fogie? [03:03] but too old to care [03:03] dive, im yourAge/2 [03:03] so by the time I do pass out I'm mostly sober and had plenty of water to rehydrate myself, and maybe some food... [03:03] superGear lend me a whisky from your youth [03:03] talking of water... brb [03:04] water and bananas baby [03:04] hangover food [03:04] Bananas kill my stomach :| [03:04] but they are so high in potassium [03:04] I like bananas but they hate me [03:04] helps get your electrolytes back in order [03:05] dunno what's worse a headache or a stomach ache [03:05] heh. Gatorade + vodka... does horrid things to your electrolytes [03:05] Urchlay: hahaha [03:05] gets you drunk in a hurry tho [03:06] i haven't gotten drunk in like years [03:06] Urchlay: it's like mixing caffeine with Quaalude [03:06] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [03:06] drugs are bad [03:06] if you do drugs you are bad because drugs are bad mmmkkkaaay [03:07] but i like drugs :( [03:07] hmm. To me, 'ludes are this mysterious drug from elder days... apparently they quit making them in the 1970s, but people still talk about 'em [03:07] that's ok [03:07] Urchlay: yeah it's called valium now ;) [03:07] yea tylenol is bad [03:07] same chemical? [03:07] Urchlay: not the same but has similar effects [03:08] depends on dosage [03:08] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:08] tank-man: tylenol, the hard stuff! [03:09] i'm nearly weened off caffeine now [03:09] Tylenol is bad for the liver [03:09] hum [03:09] brb [03:09] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:09] down to just one cup of tea in the morning now [03:09] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-178-108-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:09] hey nobody on here would be interested in like 20 gb of free music? [03:09] whoa whoa! RIAA omgz [03:10] is that a maybe? [03:10] lol [03:10] most of us here either aren't interested, or else we go "20 gigs? pffft, I already got a terabyte biotch!" [03:10] warez ain't allowed on freenode! [03:10] i see [03:10] chopp: http://imagebin.org/48744 [03:10] he said "free music", maybe it's open content/public domain? [03:10] meh [03:10] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] toastytoast: you're freaking us out man [03:11] i'm sorry [03:11] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [03:11] i set up a spare amchine as an ftp server i backupa ll my usic on it [03:11] someone say something witty so I can make a screenshot for the slackware gallery [03:11] Action: superGear calls the RIAA [03:11] hey i own the music [03:11] something witty [03:11] i think [03:11] abby: CHEESE [03:12] click-wirrr [03:12] cookies then? [03:12] thanks :) [03:12] POOOOO [03:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] I got a job as a scare cat [03:12] http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/f/f7/14c91bf9.gif [03:13] second cat I scared away from blackbirds nest [03:13] prolly jsut becasue i'm tired and need soem caffine of some sort [03:14] and my secondary laptop has decided to ahte me all of a sudden [03:14] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [03:15] hi Lex i don't know you but hi [03:15] hi:) [03:15] my laptop just said "bebobobezeebooclicklickblinky" [03:15] neat [03:15] i don't think that is supose to happen tho [03:16] buys i'm srry if i scareded you [03:16] mine just said "Holy Batmobile, Batman!" moaned the ear licking waitress as the tripe-fondling paraplegic pothead masturbated with her rosebud protuberances and reamed his steaming tool into her mouse nibbled cockpit. [03:16] guys* [03:16] joannis (n=joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [03:16] I hate when people set up prank cron jobs :( [03:17] abby: that's insane [03:17] your laptop is kinky [03:17] in Soviet Russia prank cron jobs set up YOU! [03:17] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [03:18] Where is PAM under the kernel settings? [03:18] to allow 4GB+ ramp? [03:18] you mean PAE [03:18] ...yes [03:18] thanks! [03:18] where is it under? [03:18] hardware?.. [03:18] ramp? [03:19] http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/tag/pae [03:19] nvm [03:19] that link is useless [03:19] Is it ok to disable ACPI?.. [03:19] or does that disable even my monitor being able to shut off [03:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429003.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429003.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:20] On a desktop, do I need ACPI? [03:21] oh no [03:21] slackware gallery is gonna die [03:21] redtricycle: for PAE: Processor Type and Features > High Memory Support [03:21] my baby!! [03:21] redtricycle: you want ACPI [03:22] lastmansitting (n=19kuban4@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:24] any good mirrors you recommend for using with slackpkg? I live in Canada on the east coast [03:25] i live in maine i'm useing oregonstate [03:25] I just need a reliable mirror [03:25] its been pretty reilable whenever i use and pretty fast [03:25] drijen (n=quassel@pool-71-96-1-8.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/ [03:25] for 12.2 [03:26] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] using osuosl from the east coast isn't all that efficient, almost to the point of being mean to the internet [03:26] I just ran slackpkg install-new (after uncommenting a mirror under current) and there was only one new package (seems impossible) [03:26] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:27] yeh i used to use asuol but i kept getting incomplete package errors from there so i stopped useing it [03:27] considering I'm upgrading to current from 12.2 release [03:27] Wow, I forgot what CPU I have in this computer... [03:27] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [03:27] how do I check.. [03:27] lssomething? [03:27] what cpu is that? [03:28] cat /proc/cpuinfo [03:28] Thanks antiwire ! [03:28] oh i was typeing slow i thought you were saying like i forgot as in you had fogoten but then you remebered and you were shocked mb [03:29] What does mean? I know it means "modularize" but does it mean, "have the functionality, but let the end user decide whether to enable the module or not."? [03:30] I was gonna tell him to open the computer up [03:30] i haven't forgotten what i had in my old compaq [03:30] redtricycle: M means you get a module. Y means it's linked into the kernel and you cannot modprobe -r it [03:30] let alone this [03:30] it is always in there [03:31] my compaq ran an 800mhz amd duron proccessor with 786mb of ram a 20gb hdd a 30gb hdd and a 40gb hdd [03:31] this runs an amd athlon x2 dual core 2.3ghz 2gb ram 500gb hdd [03:32] http://slackwaregallery.org/albums/userpics/10001/2009-05-12-114203_1920x1080_scrot.jpg [03:32] we all look so happy [03:32] group photo [03:33] is that your girlfriend? [03:34] going to bed, ciao [03:34] (with your girlfriend) [03:34] lastmansitting (n=19kuban4@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: [03:35] hmm is it a good thing i got a cp error whiel isntall slackware on the dell then it continued to install after the cp eror occured? [03:35] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.55) left irc: "Leaving" [03:35] How can I tell if I have PCI Express? [03:35] I dont think I do... [03:35] i wish she was my girlfriend [03:36] she's hot [03:36] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] nice baby:) [03:36] that my firend [03:36] you can open the case to find out [03:36] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [03:36] alhto lspci might tell you that as well [03:37] ehhh...I dont think I do [03:37] trying for a minimalistic kernel? [03:37] I usually just enable everything and let God sort it out [03:37] Hal, let HAL sort it out [03:37] sorry, typo [03:38] lol [03:41] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left ##slackware. [03:43] hoi abby [03:44] yello chum [03:44] completely missed you when I was in Europe [03:44] maybe next time :) [03:46] abby: I...just want my computer to boot up faster =P [03:47] If I disable all the wireless lan modules... [03:47] I can always install madwifi, right? [03:47] since I have an atheros card? [03:48] what is your bootup time goal ? [03:48] Uh. a minute? [03:48] Right now, it hangs because it searches for a network...so I turned that off [03:49] are you doing any benchmarking? [03:49] I better download the rndis module that I had before otherwise I wouldnt be able to connect online! [03:49] abby: no, what's a benchmarking software for boot time? [03:49] http://www.bootchart.org/ [03:49] redtricycle: you don't need to disable them in the kernel, you just blacklist them [03:49] redtricycle, follow the link [03:50] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:50] bootchart will give you a graphical representation of the boot process [03:50] redtricycle: leave them as modules and use /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [03:50] abby: oohh...fancy [03:50] also, abby & redtricycle http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/bootchart/ [03:50] I never use to care [03:51] because I would leave my computer on for months at a time.. [03:51] nowadays, I have to shutdown every day [03:52] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:52] i had to blacklist the atisound modules becasue my hd4650 interfeared with the sound card i had already [03:53] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [03:56] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [03:58] what do you guys think is better existing or not existing [03:59] abby: whats the panel at the bottom of that SS you took? [03:59] the 'app launcher' i presume [03:59] tecky, Avant Window Navigator [03:59] agh ty [03:59] i was trying to remember the name :X [04:00] yip [04:01] toastytoast, I like to do both. [04:01] toastytoast, is why I locked myself in a box with a vile of poison. [04:01] and she's hot... share w/ me? [04:02] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host215-19-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "reboot" [04:02] Now I'm alive and dead at the same time [04:02] abby: and she's hot... share w/ me? [04:02] tecky, my wallpaper? [04:02] firebird619, yoyo [04:02] nix_chix0r: Hey, how's it going? [04:02] abby: the girl on the wallpaper? [04:02] : ) [04:02] or the girl? lol [04:03] firebird619, work was great [04:03] nix_chix0r: good to hear. :) [04:03] If you can convince her to go out with us, I'll share :) [04:03] abby: i'm going to hold you to that! [04:04] xrated in here tonight [04:04] nix_chix0r: today your first day? [04:04] right-o [04:04] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-163-226-165.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:04] nix_chix0r: in here? no never! [04:04] >.> [04:04] firebird619, yeah, and it went by quickly [04:04] ight, its night night time i think [04:04] xrated is how i like it lol [04:04] nix_chix0r: that's what seems to happen if your doing something you really like, time flies. [04:05] wooo [04:05] compiling a kernel [04:05] WOOOOOO [04:05] did a bunch of work on conky, ugh stupid script!!! I HATES YOU! [04:05] firebird619, first job ever where i didn't feel guilty going to the bathroom when i needed to and not be micromanaged [04:05] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [04:05] redtricycle: that's always fun. [04:05] nix_chix0r: new job? [04:05] nix_chix0r: Sounds like you found a great job then. :) [04:05] tecky, need to level up on your conky skillz [04:06] abby: .... i just started today >.< [04:06] tecky: So did I, I got a nice setup now. :) [04:06] just, well, took the time today to set it up :\ [04:06] tecky, yeah i was an IT at northwest airlines and i got fired while i was pregnant and i went to my 6week checkup and ended up getting hired on where huby works [04:06] firebird619: I'm excited...I should've done this on the weekend [04:06] now I cant sleep [04:06] i'm having a problem with it tomorrow, and i'll fix it tomorrow [04:06] redtricycle, wow [04:07] tecky, disability company [04:07] redtricycle: 2.6.29.3? [04:07] Action: toastytoast is hopeing he didn't break it this time [04:07] nix_chix0r: nice! [04:07] firebird619: no, no [04:07] just default slackware 12.2 kernel [04:07] go grab the newest -rc [04:07] wher eis the fun in that? [04:07] redtricycle: Ah, I'm on 2.6.29.2. I haven't done 2.6.29.3 because there's no real-time patch yet. [04:07] It comes with a hug from Linus [04:07] abby: is there any reason why when conky runs, it leaves a semi shadow around the "window" [04:07] i think thats rc5 [04:08] tecky: that all has to do with your .conkyrc file. [04:08] tecky: there are options to run conky in its own window [04:08] toastytoast: it is. [04:08] git fetch huggles [04:08] ya i set all that [04:08] m [04:08] abby: so how long does a typical kernel compilation take? [04:08] mmm i should post it to the web and maybe someone can look ats it [04:08] :( [04:08] Should I sit here and watch it?...or just go to bed? [04:08] redtricycle, for me? about 10 minutes. [04:08] redtricycle: decent machine? under an hour. [04:08] depends on the proccessotr and such [04:08] darn [04:08] ;) [04:08] my copmuter is 6+ years old [04:08] I better go to bed.. [04:09] haha [04:09] redtricycle: gl [04:09] lol [04:09] ya [04:09] good night guys! [04:09] thank you all [04:09] go to bed, wake up, get coffee and you should be done with making mods :P [04:09] tecky: here's mine now. http://imagebin.org/48744 [04:09] tecky, you need to set own_window_hints [04:09] what it looks like anyway. [04:09] tecky, you must be using a compositing window manager [04:09] abby: hmm lemme peeks at it [04:10] own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager [04:10] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:10] thats what i have set abby [04:10] sleepy time for me [04:10] Well, time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [04:10] nix_chix0r: me too. [04:10] nini firebird619 [04:10] night you 2 [04:10] nix_chix0r: good night. Take care. [04:10] bye ppl [04:11] night everyone! [04:11] ...who is leaving [04:11] I am. :) [04:11] and nix_chix0r is. :) [04:11] abby: own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager [04:11] thats what i'm running right now [04:11] yeah i have to get the baby the second round [04:11] nix_chix0r: you two take turns? [04:11] oh, where you two going huh [04:11] oh nice [04:12] firebird619, yep [04:12] cool [04:12] I always end up with the baby lol [04:12] no point both of us getting him [04:12] lets all be sleep deprived and cranky [04:12] mmm no thnx [04:12] :P [04:12] lol [04:13] tecky, own_window_hints undecorate,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager [04:13] Well, later guys. [04:13] and gal. :) [04:13] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:13] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.29.19) joined ##slackware. [04:13] but hes sleeping 6hrs at a time now so i can get more. [04:13] tecky, own_window yes [04:13] undecorate or undecorated ? [04:13] tecky, dunno lol [04:13] hrmph [04:14] nix_chix0r: 6 hours, nice. [04:14] leme post this to the web, take a look at the conf [04:14] brb [04:14] tecky, I did mine strait from the man page [04:14] nix_chix0r, I'd freak out and wake the kid up [04:14] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:14] Ok, for sure now, Good bye and good night. It's 03:09. [04:14] cause mine never slept that long [04:15] it's 12pm here [04:15] sun is shining [04:15] about to grab some lunch :) [04:15] it ain't shining here. :) [04:15] It's dark out. :P [04:15] bye abby :) [04:15] bye [04:15] bye nix_chix0r [04:16] bye tecky [04:16] I hate coming here when I do cause everyone in the US is sleeping hah [04:16] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:17] alright, I'm seriously starving. Getting some grub, brb [04:17] Mornun [04:19] abby: http://www.pwned.net/.conkyrc [04:19] I think it's getting on time i upgraded my -current again [04:19] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:20] Kernel version bump and kde version bump [04:20] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:25] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [04:27] accoding to wedev tool bar you css isn't valid [04:27] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:28] pigsss innnnn spaaaaaace [04:29] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:29] you're missing an F in #FFFFFF [04:29] well whoever runs pwned.net [04:30] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [04:30] toastytoast: fixed? [04:31] toastytoast: its more of a junk site, never really had any inspiration to do anything w/ it :\ [04:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:31] i see [04:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:32] tthat measn you're lieng tho [04:32] tecky, you can give it to me [04:32] it says you has valid css i demand perfection :p jk [04:32] tecky, k thx [04:33] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:34] toastytoast: both are fixed xhtml + css [04:34] abby: bagh nagh, i just need something to do w/ the site [04:34] : [04:34] :X [04:34] Anyone yet running an up to date -current since 09/05/09? [04:34] me [04:34] all well? [04:35] all is well with the cosmos [04:35] no [04:35] btw, this is absolutely brutal http://trac.metasploit.com/wiki/Karmetasploit [04:35] there is a rouge sith lord mascarading around the outer fringe [04:35] toastytoast: no? [04:36] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [04:36] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-163-226-165.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Action: Zordrak makes sure to remember to grab the latest nVidia installer before upgrading the kernel [04:40] toastytoast: ROGUE NOT ROUGE [04:41] i was close enough [04:41] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.108) joined ##slackware. [04:41] no [04:41] its a pet peve [04:41] dont do it again :) [04:41] what if id o? [04:42] i do* [04:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouge [04:42] anyone running nVidia180.51 on 2.6.29.2? [04:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue [04:42] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] i should say [04:43] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cookies [04:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouge :VS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue [04:43] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [04:44] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:46] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-178-109-150.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:46] what package do i need for libgtk-x11-2.0 [04:46] what package do i need for libgtk-x11-2.0.so? [04:48] var/log/packages/gtk+2-2.14.7-i486-2:usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1400.7 [04:48] masterx831: next time do this first: grep libgtk-x11-2.0 /var/log/packages/* [04:50] btw, i'm on -current so it might be different for you [04:51] _NaCl___ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-17-229.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:51] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:51] antiwire: whats your GPU? [04:51] Zordrak: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] (rev a1) [04:52] it's actually the Quadro in my case [04:53] huh [04:53] no driver from nvidia [04:53] nice of them(!) [04:53] NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.51-pkg1.run [04:53] that one works [04:53] antiwire: its the same packages but i removepkg cause i was getting it upgrade from source by doing gtk and glib but had trouble with it [04:53] works really well actually [04:53] thats all i wanted to know :) [04:54] been a while since a release.. wanted to be sure it was working with 29.2 [04:54] will slackbuild have it? [04:54] it worked with 2.6.29.2 and it's working for me on 2.6.29.3 too [04:55] kcool [04:55] Now crossing fingers that i dont break any kde appss with the update [04:56] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [04:56] lol [04:56] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:56] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [04:56] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:58] antiwire: can i get the slackbuild for libgtk? [04:58] it's part of slackware for me [04:59] you can always get the slackbuilds for slackware itself from ftp.slackware.com [05:00] but, eh, unless you're just curious how they work, or actually know how and why you'd modify them, what are you going to do with it? [05:00] Action: Zordrak just hit Go [05:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Urchlay: mod a config directive to include support for something [05:00] masterx831: are you using 12.2? [05:00] s/g/g?/ [05:00] Action: Urchlay watches smoke come out Zordrak's vents [05:00] Zordrak: right, that falls under "know how and why..." [05:00] orite [05:01] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [05:01] is only 10am i'll wake up soon [05:01] pretty sure masterx831 is new at this, still learning the basics [05:01] masterx831: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/slackware/l/gtk+2-2.12.12-i486-1.tgz [05:01] coffee still cooling [05:01] drink it hot [05:01] it will be hot [05:01] but this is a double-walled cafetiere mug... takes 45 mins to drop to drinkable [05:02] ah [05:02] and it's just about there now [05:02] lol thank you i was searching on slackbuilds.org [05:02] might grab a couple ice cubes [05:02] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:02] Ooooo it's GORGEOUS [05:02] Fresh grounh french roast [05:02] *ground [05:02] think today if I can't get to sleep before 7am, I'll start back drinking coffee and try to stay up until 7pm [05:02] Urchlay: no i was doing it code source i removepkg libgtk [05:03] but i had trouble with glib and gtk that i cant figure it out so i need the package [05:03] sick of sleeping until 7pm and being wide awake when the damn birds start chirping [05:03] drink some whiskey [05:03] can't sleep when drunk [05:03] lol me too i fell asleep at 7pm [05:03] Urchlay: Solution A: Kill the birds [05:04] lol [05:04] should go back to sleep [05:04] oddly, I've found I can read while drunk [05:05] so these people took four groups of children; two were fed pretzels with no water until they couldn't take it anymore and the other two weren't given any pretzels at all. then they ask the pretzel groups what they thought and they said they didn't want anymore pretzels at all. the non pretzel group of kids wanted pretzels anytime though. [05:05] (not that I usually want to, but if the party ends and I'm left awake, gotta do something...) [05:05] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-178-109-150.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:06] they said this study helped them understand how children think about the present and future tenses [05:06] here it is http://www.scientificblogging.com/small_world/living_in_the_moment [05:07] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [05:07] i don't know about you but if someone made me eat pretzels with no water until i started getting crazy.. i probably wouldn't want anymore pretzels either. [05:07] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [05:07] ermmm [05:07] they had to do a study to figure that out? [05:08] exactly! [05:08] wtf [05:08] antiwire: you know you have ##slackware open, right? [05:08] Zordrak: yeah totally [05:08] lol [05:08] jus' checkin' [05:08] _NaCl___ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-17-229.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:08] i have occasinally started talking slack at the #lopsa people before [05:09] not realising im in the wrong window [05:09] I'd probably have stopped eating the damn pretzels [05:09] hahaha [05:09] and gotten violent if they tried force-feeding [05:09] lol [05:09] or started eating the other kids [05:09] "hey little boy, want some more pretzels" "omg no please can i have the water now?!?!?! PLEASE???" [05:10] what a messed up study that must have been [05:10] I mean, how come none of the kids in group A did that? "Hey, screw you, I'm leavin' and goin' to get some water" [05:10] pretzels suck unless theyre dipped in white chocolate anyway [05:10] id rather have kettle chips [05:10] and they really suck without water [05:10] nah, soft pretzels with gooey melted cheese and hot mustard [05:11] ...and yeah, water (or maybe something like coca cola) [05:11] s/pretzels/nachoes/ s/gooey/NON-american/ s/hot mustard//g [05:12] oh and [05:12] eh, you've just substituted the entire thing, better call and reactivate windows [05:12] s/soft/crunchy/ [05:12] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.62.215) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:12] LOL [05:13] Ma kawfee wuz gooooood [05:14] I just found out a neat trick [05:14] does it involve toiletary multi-tasking? [05:14] instead of typing "mkdir something" then "cd something"... "mkdir something", then "cd !*" [05:14] or !$ [05:14] yeah [05:15] lezedepeze_ (n=lezedepe@p4FCBEDED.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:15] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [05:15] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [05:15] been using bash for like 13 years and never knew that :) [05:15] or for i in dirname; do mkdir $i;cd $i;done [05:15] yeah, but usually that's more typing, not less [05:15] lezedepeze_: what's that all about? [05:15] yeah.. but it's WAY cooler :p [05:15] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-18-72.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:15] don't paste click spam in here [05:16] antiwire: spam [05:16] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [05:16] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [05:16] Channel flood from lezedepeze_ -- kicking [05:16] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [05:16] lezedepeze_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:16] oh great [05:16] tgf slackboy [05:17] in interactive use, fewer keystrokes = better [05:17] Urchlay: im actually the same, only found out about $$ and $! a few months back... i have no idea how the slipped by me for so long [05:17] you'll agree with me when you get old and your fingers start to hurt :( [05:17] same as pushd and popd.. only found them a couple of years ago [05:17] but then i dont bother to use them [05:17] Urchlay: Dvorak! :) [05:18] pushd and popd are in the category of stuff I read about long ago and never found a use for [05:18] Action: Zordrak is on dvorak right now [05:18] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.108) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:18] bleah. dvorak IIRC sucked pretty bad for C/perl/bash coding (the punctuation was even harder to type) [05:19] been years since I looked at it [05:19] Urchlay: you just gotta get used to it is all [05:19] im learning to be keyboard bilingual [05:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "mIRC" [05:19] my primary bok is qwerty.. and my irc terminal box is dvorak [05:20] well I did teach myself to touch type on qwerty by using a keyboard with removable keycaps (separate pieces from the keys) [05:20] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [05:20] best way to learn dvorak apparantly... but i havent had the time and spare brainpower... so im learning with labels [05:21] for about a month I typed on a keyboard with no symbols at all on the key tops. Took 2 weeks to be able to type "hello world" reliably :) [05:21] the real twat with dvorak is M and W [05:21] theyre next to each other [05:21] ergh. Used to work with a guy who used dvorak, but left the key caps in qwerty layout [05:21] and when going fast.. they look the same to your brain [05:22] he'd call me over to look at his code, I'd grab the keyboard, which *looks* like I ought to be able to use it... [05:22] to train better i have two identical keyboards for the bokes.. just one is rearranged [05:22] Urchlay: it's a good security measure :) [05:23] Urchlay: the REAL problem is kdm [05:23] yeah, switching his keymap back to qwerty was also a good security measure (he couldn't type his password any more) [05:23] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:23] one day when he was at lunch I created an "abcde" keymap (letters in alphabetical order), set that as his default map, and rearranged all the key caps to match it [05:24] the irc terminal box has kde3.5 via kdm.. i barely use it... but if i do.. i have to login with password with qwerty layout but DV keyb... but then KDE has the right layout... pass is 15 chars with symbols!! [05:24] have fun with that [05:25] is there no way to make kdm use dvorak? [05:25] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.44.71) joined ##slackware. [05:26] wow...compiling the kernel really does speed it up [05:26] o_o [05:26] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:28] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [05:31] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.44.71) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:33] Urchlay: there might be.. but i havent been bothered to find out cos 99% of the time this box is on tty1 [05:33] well.. tty2 [05:34] and i have a qwerty on the other box for camparison if i need it [05:34] comparison [05:39] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-18-72.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:40] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:40] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [05:43] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:49] joannis (n=joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:50] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host197-49-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:52] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:54] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [05:57] headbrake (n=headbrak@78.134.15.75) joined ##slackware. [05:59] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.55) joined ##slackware. [06:02] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:03] hi all. i've added a remote mount point in my fstab, a smbfs. this smb server is protected by password and i have to write it to fstab. is there a way to crypt that password in fstab? [06:06] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [06:06] for example: //192.168.0.32/folder /home/user/share smbfs username=user,password=password 0 0 [06:06] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:06] this is the line [06:07] nat that i know of [06:07] *not [06:07] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:07] noauto,user && mount -a ? [06:08] dont know if that would help [06:08] not tested it, but that might prompt for pass [06:09] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) joined ##slackware. [06:09] i mount that at boot [06:09] hello [06:09] and make fstab not readable from limited user [06:09] thats another option [06:09] or readble but with crypted passowrd [06:09] i can only recommend googling around to see what other people do [06:10] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-673c2cf82fdd4c8f) joined ##slackware. [06:10] ok [06:10] i'll search a detailed fstab guide [06:11] does anyone know why slacks uses elvis as default vi editor? [06:11] cause it's slim and simple but functional and can be easily included into even the most tiny installation [06:12] I see [06:12] but it's only a symlink so if you prefer vim, just change the link [06:12] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-20-190.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] I've changed the symlink [06:13] so it's a matter of memory footprint mainly? [06:13] vim just isnt right for the absolute minimum install [06:13] and anything thats in the base must be suitable for that purpose [06:13] right [06:13] other options are then available via the extra package sets [06:14] s/extra/othel/ [06:14] the vim default install in slackware seems to backup file with ~ by default [06:14] s/othel/other/ [06:14] e.g. vim thisfile [06:14] yeah.. i dont like that.. but i guess it's an upstream thing [06:14] thisfile~ also exists now :) [06:14] just mod /usr/share/vim/vimrc [06:15] i also change mouse from a to r [06:15] okay thx [06:15] also.. [06:15] you need to add something to make it work with crontab [06:17] mne is: [06:17] set backupcopy=yes [06:17] set nobackup [06:17] (removing the if has vms conditional struct) [06:17] _NaCl___ (n=NaCl@pool-71-163-233-98.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:18] you can pastebin me your vimrc here if you wish =) [06:18] http://pastebin.com/ [06:18] pastebin.ca ftw [06:18] .com sucks [06:18] good to know [06:18] but thats literally all i do.. not worth pasting [06:19] okay [06:19] s/mouse=a/mouse=r/ [06:19] s/{~if has vms}// [06:19] s/fi// [06:19] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-20-190.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:19] add set backupcopy=yes [06:20] nuthen else [06:20] well theres an else line in the if as well that i kill [06:20] i think [06:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[06:41] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:42] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:42] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-23-66.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [06:44] I assume someone is aware of this? [06:48] Zordrak, maybe the mirror you are using has an md5sum mismatch for package rmp2tgz .. as in corrupted [06:49] possible, but id consider it unlikely as every other package has been fine and there have recently been problems with md5sums in -current [06:49] i will check against fthp.slackware.com shortly [06:50] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [06:52] _NaCl___ (n=NaCl@pool-71-178-101-6.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:21] godddddddd my / keeps filling up [07:21] then stop filling it with crap [07:21] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "leaving" [07:22] _NaCl___ (n=NaCl@pool-71-178-101-6.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:23] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [07:27] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:28] guess i overuse /tmp [07:29] nille__ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:29] chowabunga: s/\/tmp/\// [07:29] some of these people just drop their connections and reconnect every 3 minutes [07:29] Nick change: alien_bob -> alienBOB [07:29] no shit, sherlock [07:30] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host153-98-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:30] yo bob.. you seen an md5 issue with rpm2tgz? [07:30] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.55) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:30] headbrake (n=headbrak@78.134.15.75) left irc: "Leaving" [07:31] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89C65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:32] greetings brief mortals [07:32] kama (n=kama@87.19.132.31) joined ##slackware. [07:32] greetings beef vittles [07:32] brief? [07:33] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [07:33] kama (n=kama@87.19.132.31) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:34] yeah, brief as in short lived [07:34] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:34] time is only a frame of reference...universe dont care about no stinking time [07:35] omg this compile is taking forever! [07:38] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-96-231-66-94.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] to procrastinate is common, to slack is divine [07:38] can i haz a hell yea [07:39] chowabunga: silence is divine [07:39] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:39] prostatinate? [07:39] you perv [07:39] shiat. 27m46.440s for a do it for health? [07:41] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] time to boot the new kernel.............. [07:42] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [07:44] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:45] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [07:45] nvision (n=nvision@g229125221.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:46] woo.. all good.. now just for the vbox and nvidia kernel modules [07:49] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:51] does make -j3 work for everything [07:51] pretty much [07:51] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:51] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [07:51] chowabunga: sometimes it b0rks the build. [07:52] i always forget to do it anyway [07:52] :) [07:52] compiling openarena [07:52] alias make='make -j5' [07:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:54] what is safe to strip from binaries in /usr/bin/ [07:54] hitest: I got your message yesterday. I read it after I woke up. And last night, you disappeared before I could chat with you. [07:55] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) joined ##slackware. [07:55] hi Shingoshi:) [07:55] hi [07:55] hitest> [07:55] Glad you got src2pkg working! [07:56] yeah that was cool [07:56] Gilbert found a bug in the way src2pkg upgrades. he fixed it:) [07:56] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [07:57] hi chowabunga:) [07:57] Glad to hear that. I too was having trouble. But it was uncertain if it was because of my configuration. [07:58] woot it worked [07:58] yeah it was in the way that the libraries were installed, an incorrect pathway [07:59] That means you have a later version than mine! ;-) [07:59] Have you built any packages yet with it? [08:00] not yet, will try today [08:00] I won't be doing much today. Except waiting on my new cooling system to be delivered. [08:01] nice. for your pc? [08:01] Yes, my pc. I really hope I can get my clock speeds higher than they are now. [08:02] I'm craving more speed! [08:02] buy a faster box [08:02] _NaCl___ (n=NaCl@pool-71-163-237-166.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] or make a smaller kernel :) [08:03] cool. more speed is a good thing. I'm going to take another stab at freebsd 7.2 tonight. fun:) [08:03] I have a Q9400. Not spending any more than that. But I want my speed closer to 3.4GHz or higher. [08:03] there is a free bsd live cd now [08:03] or its openbsd i guess [08:03] Wooo.. I'm all up and running on the most current -current [08:04] yeah I've got 2.6.29.3 running on one of my slack boxes, haven't upgraded the other ones yet [08:04] It's been a very long time since I've run FreeBSD. [08:04] hitest: im not going to 29.3 till Pat does [08:04] I think it was 4.4! [08:04] freebsd is fun. something to do. I like ports. [08:04] never do [08:05] Zordrak: I understand. just taking the newest kernel for a test drive on my testing box. [08:07] hitest: It was back in 2000 that I ran FreeBSD. [08:07] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Still use the book from time to time, just for reference. [08:08] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-96-231-66-94.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:08] Shingoshi: will let you know how the freebsd install goes tonight:) I've run FreeBSD from 5.x------> 7.1 [08:09] When I ran BSD, I was just learning, and found the curve too high after using SuSE Linux. [08:09] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:10] FreeBSD 7.2 has KDE 4.2.2. Yes. when I started with FreeBSD I also found it very difficult after using Red Hat. [08:10] I think I might like to try QNX or Solaris. But my preference would be a real-time kernel. [08:11] haven't tried solaris yet. it looks very good indeed [08:11] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:11] I want to install something that's intended to run on clusters. [08:12] Solaris is the worst OS in existence [08:12] I have four new identical motherboards, which I have yet to build into systems. [08:13] I would rather use OS/2 [08:13] Zordrak: thanks for the heads-up. slow OS? [08:13] not slow per-se just massively overengineered [08:13] okay [08:13] like Java.. pointlessly complex [08:14] Over-engineered == Professional. [08:14] caio (n=caio@190.244.36.137) joined ##slackware. [08:14] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [08:14] it's like using a standard GNU linux system exkcept everything is just slightly different an a way dosigned to confuse you [08:14] Consider how many large companies use it. And then consider why they do so. [08:14] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:15] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:16] back in a bit [08:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:17] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] Shingoshi> you need procs and ram and powersupply for each, a gigabit switch, and a network storage over NFS hosted by a master node [08:20] then you install ganglia and other crap mpc [08:20] then you write code [08:20] or you could just use clusterknoppix or such [08:21] None of that is new to me. But thanks for info I already know. [08:21] wellcum [08:21] o.O [08:22] I build computers regularly, and have run openMosix in the past. I'll be looking into another option in the future. [08:22] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.99.187) joined ##slackware. [08:22] yeah i build clusters regularly ;P [08:23] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:23] scary [08:24] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-673c2cf82fdd4c8f) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:24] Shingoshi: They use it because Sun sold them a whole solution based on SPARC and momentum and corporate fear of change has prevented them from ever leaving [08:25] Shingoshi: im still only 70% of the way through removing SPARC and Solaris from this network [08:27] Shingoshi: it's the same thing with Oracle.. Oracle want Sun so they can sell companies a complete Oracle On Solaris On SPARC solution, bill them through the teeth for maintenance and support and make it so they can never ever leave [08:28] That may be true. Which is why I don [08:28] That may be true. Which is why I don't like running anything but opensource. [08:28] *nod* [08:28] am converting this whole network to Slack [08:28] slowly but surely [08:28] nice [08:29] That discouraged me from installing QNX too. [08:29] I've been looking for a real-time kernel. Linux is supposed to be going there. But it's taking a while. [08:30] Do you remember the old Tandem Computers? [08:30] tandy? [08:31] No. Tandem was a major computer company. They made minicomputers in the '70's. [08:31] well there are realtime linux kernels [08:31] IBM brought them out. [08:31] For transaction processing? [08:31] i had a tandy from radio shack...it couldnt run quake1 cuz no math co processor [08:32] I want something like IBM's Transaction Processing Facility. [08:35] Action: Shingoshi needs to go back to bed! [08:35] Bye guys! [08:36] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-91957056b8d4aab0) left irc: [08:36] IBM? or was it rather Compaq who bought Tandem? [08:36] see you Shingoshi:) [08:36] ok [08:37] Compaq brought out DEC. HP brought out Compaq. [08:37] tandem were funky machines [08:37] and Tandem by Compaq, hence HP Nonstop servers [08:38] mshade (n=mshade@68.100.212.163) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:38] Banking industry machines. 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[09:23] :) [09:23] good morning [09:25] morning:) [09:25] souljas (n=souljas@mail.callthepcguy.com) left ##slackware. [09:25] eep [09:27] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [09:28] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: "leaving" [09:28] slackytude2 (n=hotline@p4FD89C65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:32] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [09:34] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [09:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:34] sometimes i would like to send this song to some of my users. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhyVIluOwKg [09:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:35] Does that make me a bad person? ;) [09:35] slackytude3 (n=hotline@p4FD89C65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:35] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89C65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:36] yes, yes it does [09:36] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [09:36] good morning [09:37] Action: agentc0re gets down with his bad self. [09:37] hrm, thats odd [09:37] browsing a smb share freezes my slack [09:37] * 70's porno music * [09:37] lol wow maybe its to early for me to be in here [09:37] slackytude2> with cd and ls? [09:37] _NaCl___ (n=NaCl@pool-96-231-73-116.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] _NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-22-219.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:38] What's funny is the intro to the song use to be my schools TV intro music. [09:38] god NaCL get a freaking connection [09:38] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [09:38] how do i ignore join and part messages [09:38] chowabunga: by not reading them ;) [09:38] depends on each client. [09:39] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] anyone know if the sshd standard configuration is set to be a socks5 proxy? [09:41] should be [09:41] #AllowTcpForwarding yes [09:41] chowabunga, with Thunar [09:41] #TCPKeepAlive yes [09:41] PermitTunnel yes [09:41] lf4, yes [09:41] if you use the -D option [09:42] slackytude2> how many files? [09:42] -D is for ssh not sshd [09:42] ssh -D host port or something [09:42] no, but it will act as socks5 then [09:42] how would you do it instead [09:42] chowabunga, not enough, roughly 20MB of pics [09:43] well try mounting it from xterm and going through it that way [09:43] to see if it works [09:43] Action: slackytude3 shrugs [09:43] everything else works [09:43] for months now [09:43] then its thunar? [09:44] it worked with thunar for months as well [09:44] then scandisk the ntfs volume i guess? [09:44] just the image folder of some php faq, which is in the htdocs folder of a windows apache [09:44] as a start [09:44] hrm [09:44] that would be bad [09:44] why [09:44] slackytude3: So if I run putty this way from a windows machine it should connect as a socks5? "C:\Program Files\PuTTY\putty.exe" -ssh -C -N -D 8080 [USER]@[HOST] [09:44] coz its the server O_o [09:45] uhm okay [09:45] lf4, not sure if that works under win/putty, but in a linux you could point any socks client to host port [09:45] it works in windows fine [09:45] altho Im not sure whats -C and -N is of the top of me head [09:45] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:45] -C is compression...dunno -N [09:46] oh noexec [09:46] -C compression and -N no command will be sent. [09:46] yep :) [09:46] chowabunga, funny enough, the dir above the image folder works fine [09:46] all dirs except that one [09:46] Action: slackytude3 shrugs [09:47] is thunar tryign to generate thumbnails? [09:47] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5AA0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] like i said, go into the directory with xterm and do ls or tar up the files to make sure file access works. if it does, then its thunar doing something [09:47] if it doesnt, do a scandisk [09:48] slackytude2 (n=hotline@p4FD89C65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:48] or check dmesg or your logs [09:48] ahh, thumbnail generation [09:48] good idea [09:48] that could be it [09:48] thats why i said it :P [09:50] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:50] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [09:50] argg.. half a pizza + 2 hard ciders, + coffee this morning = heart burn [09:50] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:16] should there be any problems installing latest fglrx drivers on slack? [10:17] I mean as it has kinda old xorg packages [10:17] boot (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) left irc: "Saindo" [10:17] boot (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) joined ##slackware. [10:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.99) joined ##slackware. [10:18] zimmermann_ (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) joined ##slackware. [10:18] zimmermann_ (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:18] boot (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) left irc: Client Quit [10:18] i think the kernel may need rebuilding for msi crap [10:18] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:18] msi crap? [10:18] Anyone know Anyone think blue-ray disc are here to stay for a while or will they be replaced soon like HD was? [10:18] boot (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) joined ##slackware. [10:19] probably will stay for a while [10:19] it has quite solid grounding now so next media should be considerable better to overthrow blu-ray [10:20] boot (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) left irc: Client Quit [10:20] booteco (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) joined ##slackware. [10:20] zmyrgel: thats what I was thinking as well but new media always makes me question now-a-days. [10:20] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [10:20] at least sony media lol [10:20] hah, yeah. I wish they would have gone with HD [10:21] I never really checked out the difference between HD and Blue-ray. :D [10:21] Sony's initial attitude was that porn was not to be distributed with blu-ray... HD didn't pose such limitations :) [10:21] lf4> blu-ray is dead [10:21] IIRC :) [10:21] lol [10:22] RedrumDog: whats next then? ;) [10:22] DVD [10:22] is blu-ray actually a standard? [10:22] no [10:22] its patented [10:22] A new standard DVD? [10:23] sony gets royalties if they could sell any [10:23] and if hollywood could make movies people would buy [10:23] I'm just wondering what would be best to get all 22 007 movies on :) [10:23] and if enough people thought dvd was bad quality [10:23] lf4> bittorrent [10:24] Bluray isn't dead [10:24] RedrumDog: I'd like orignals lol not try-to-buy ;) [10:24] straterra: how about VHS :D [10:24] VHS is [10:25] dvd yo [10:25] yo? [10:25] dvd plays anywhere, bluray plays nowhere, hd-dvd plays nowhere [10:26] That's a gross oversimplification [10:26] RedrumDog: that is true, which is why I worry about buying blue-ray or HD-dvd's its not as common to be able to play them. [10:27] they are failed formats [10:27] Uh..no they aren't [10:27] HD-DVD is [10:27] BluRay is not [10:27] Except of course in blu-ray players, the PS3 and blu-ray drives now being found in highish-end laptops/desktops. Less of those than DVD players, yes, but there's not an inconsequential number [10:27] yeah right [10:27] New movies are coming out in BluRay..it's not "failed" [10:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:27] how many people do you know what bs3 or bluray that wants to watch bluray ont heir laptop...so you could buy in blu-ray and take it to -0 friends houses [10:28] I know tons of people who buy BluRay [10:28] I could take it to a fair few actually [10:28] Same here [10:28] and kill their battery life watching HD on a screen thats 7"x10" [10:28] Because they of course..don't have electricity in their homes? [10:29] See I don't know anyone that has blue-ray players which is why I questioned if that would be sticking around for a while or a new format would be coming out. [10:29] Nah, electricity is dead. :p [10:29] Or anywhere else for that matter [10:29] lf4: BluRay will be around for a while [10:29] blue ray rocks [10:29] er.. blu-ray [10:29] whatever it is [10:29] maybe if they had bluray on their laptop with hdmi out and a 56" plasma [10:30] elson (n=elsons20@gatea.thls.bbc.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:30] I just want it for the storage capacity :) [10:30] haha so far the count is 3/1 [10:30] mornin [10:30] morning nix_chix0r [10:30] lf4> its a dead format, go read about it [10:30] If they have blu-ray on a laptop, they typically do have an HDMI out. But that's just one way of watching it. [10:30] and anymore laptops can play HD just fine [10:31] RedrumDog: I like your argument "It's dead because I say its dead..I won't provide any information why. Go read about it" [10:31] my yuppy friends have blu-ray...and they dont use it at all [10:31] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] *yuppie [10:31] elson (n=elsons20@gatea.thls.bbc.co.uk) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [10:31] Now if you said "laser discs" are dead.. I'd back you up. [10:32] I wouldn't [10:32] straterra: i hates you! [10:32] Dominian: laser discs? I haven't even heard of that lol [10:32] why? [10:32] straterra: Ummm laser discs are dead.. the huge things that NEVER took off [10:32] you're supposed to raise your hands in quote marks and say "laser" [10:32] laser discs? [10:32] lf4: Gigantic pizza looking thing.. my god [10:32] straterra: yeah.. they were a waste of technology [10:32] ie, something different than optical? [10:32] elson (n=elsons20@gatea.thls.bbc.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:32] "LAZER" ? [10:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc [10:32] straterra, imagine a DVD the size of a record [10:32] Ok, I thought you were referring to optical media [10:33] straterra: uhh no [10:33] PEW PEW LASER BEAMS [10:33] Action: BP{k} remembers laserdiscs [10:33] hahah WOW I want laser discs to make a comeback! [10:33] I worked at a video store for a few years... they had laser discs... the entire time I was there.. only two people ever rented one [10:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:33] betamax = bluray [10:33] Uh..no [10:33] eh.. [10:33] technically better, but cant get market share [10:33] lf4: thats like saying you want 8tracks to make a come back, aint going to happen [10:33] Betamax != bluray [10:33] laser discs took off more than blu-ray. [10:33] Betamax == Betamax [10:33] nothing will stop dvd for at least 10 more years [10:33] BluRay == BluRay [10:34] tecky: awww I can wish cant i... :D [10:34] maybe not in the west, but they still sell even today in various regions [10:34] AzalynX: uhh no [10:34] I know of no where that sells laser discs [10:34] lf4: sure? cept you gotta pray really really hard! [10:34] yes. you are very america-centric if you think otherwise. :| [10:34] and I doubt anyone even still owns a player for them, NO ONE manufactures them anymore [10:34] AzalynX: WEll, I live in America, so my view is going to be centered on here. [10:35] they only *recently* announced that they would be stopping manufacturing. heh [10:35] Dominian: then stop talking about things you know nothing about. [10:35] AzalynX: They don't sell here at all in america and never really did. They never took off.. they were bulky pieces of crap [10:35] how is PS3 doing? [10:35] is sony dead yet [10:36] AzalynX: I know nothing about? What are you talkinga bout? You assume that I give two shits about what is sold where you live.. frankly I don't. If you're still using laser discs.. that's fine, but I frankly don't give a rat's ass [10:36] RedrumDog: you are a terrible troll [10:36] Dominian: It's not about where I live. [10:36] It's about you being wrong, and thus misinforming others. [10:37] phillips should buy sony if asians were bound to honor, tradition, and some xenophobia [10:37] werent [10:37] Some of us care about facts. Not personal opinions. heh [10:37] Dominian: lets argue about archaic technology k? [10:37] Dominian: my 8track can beat out your betamax! [10:37] Dominian: kk now you go [10:38] my trs-80 can hack your gibson [10:38] AzalynX: WRong about what? [10:38] tecky: yeah well I still use casette tapes beeotch [10:38] I still use tapes and LP's, 45's here [10:38] http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/14/pioneer-finally-kills-production-of-its-remaining-laserdisc-play/ [10:38] AzalynX: They discontinued laser disc formats when I was about 18 years old. [10:39] 2009. [10:39] AzalynX: Laserdisc player you dolt [10:39] AzalynX: seriously ... argue more about it [10:39] The format itself is dead and has been for a long time [10:39] jackass [10:39] vinyl is best. [10:39] lf4, ++ [10:39] Laserdisc not taking off in the US is not an opinion, its fact [10:40] player != format [10:40] I have about 50 of my dad's old LPs :) good music. [10:40] AzalynX: So recheck your facts chief. [10:40] Dominian: I didn't say anything about the format. [10:40] AzalynX: the discussion was about the format [10:40] jackass chief! [10:40] not the freakin' player [10:40] rk4n3: what are you talking about, i threw away all my dvd's for the same movies on Laserdisk, its such a improvement!! [10:40] tecky: haha [10:40] tecky: you had to cut half your wall out to store them all didn't you! [10:40] lol tecky [10:40] tecky: Psh..I use reels and a projector [10:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-195.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:40] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [10:40] techy: wow - that's... interesting to say the least :) [10:40] analog ftw [10:40] i just typed jackass chief then my dog named chief comes running in [10:41] actually, laserdisc's sold quite well, but the video on them - still looked equal to a vhs, and the increase in video stores (blockbuster and the like) with lower up fron cost hardware, and the price of the movies themselves did the laserdisc in. [10:41] he is psychic [10:41] RedrumDog: thats cuz your playin redrocket with him isn't it??!? [10:41] Old_Fogie: jesus, thank god. some reason. [10:41] tecky> nope, feeding him chocolate [10:41] No one said anything about quality. But the notion that it simply tanked and was never heard from again is simply *wrong* [10:41] Old_Fogie: Telling you.. it depended on what geographical location you were.. they didn't sell worth shit around here.. over priced and clunky [10:42] AzalynX: I never said it was neve rheard from again.. you're making assumptions to prove your bullshit now. [10:42] and in terms of success, there have probably been more releases, and more return-on-investment up until now from laserdisc than from blu-ray. [10:42] RedrumDog: good.. keep up the good work, soon you will assist me in cleaning out the gene pool, it needs a little chlorine [10:42] since blu-ray is still new. [10:42] tecky> im a rockefeller eugenicist! [10:43] AzalynX: so your saying all these lazerdisk movies you made me buy are now due to be replaced with blue-ray? [10:43] "sold quite well" is debatable, and subject to interpretation. I'm quite sure that if someone did a "seven degrees of laserdisc", it would be to sparse to rate much beyond early-adopters-only [10:43] AzalynX: WTF, pick a format, i just spent thousands throwing away my dvd collection and replacing them with Laserdisks cuz you said they were going to take off and I didn't want to fall behind the times! [10:44] lol [10:44] 10 million bd players in 3 years is not good [10:44] ... or more simply, it "sold quite well" to early-adopters, and that's about it [10:44] RedrumDog: god, now your saying to not buy blueray [10:44] you guys are costing me millions! [10:44] says its better than dvd's sales, but it cant compete with established dvd market and people who dont have any money to upgrade [10:44] tecky: I don't know what you're talking about. [10:44] Enjoy your fail though. [10:44] me__ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:45] rk4n3, that's pretty fair to say. when it came out, honestly, laserdisc sold like hot cakes. but in a *very* short time, it clobbered by the video store/blockbuster scene. [10:45] straterra: your telling me you dont use digital ? [10:45] it got clobbered [10:45] I mean [10:45] Well it seems that the movie industry has accepted blue-ray as a standard even though its only been 2-3 years. [10:45] Old_Fogie: indeed [10:45] I know a lot of people that bought em. Hell, I bought stocks in em (made some money on that ) :) [10:45] Old_Fogie: Blockbuster tried carrying laserdisc.. it lasted about a month.. They actually lost money because no one was renting them. VHS players were still the cheapest form of home entertainment. [10:45] sony pictures [10:45] but vhs _killed_ laserdics [10:45] AzalynX: fail? how am i failing? you keep telling me to buy laserdisks! [10:46] and don't forget laserot [10:46] it seems to me that the movie industry don't mean crap as far as "accepting" the format ... its gotta make it past the consumer/commodity barrier - only then will it really be "here to stay" [10:46] Maybe you're thinking of someone else. [10:46] AzalynX: hmm, your hopeless [10:47] Now, if the laserdisc has better video quality, then what was on the VHS, maybe, and this is a stretch, the laserdics could've held out. But that's a stretch at best. [10:47] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "reboot" [10:47] rk4n3: That is true so whos the best predictor of media factors in here? lol I've just seen so many of Sony's formats fail (mini-disk, memory stick, there was another I think?) that it makes me wonder about blue-ray [10:47] pioneer just stopped making laserdisc players 1Jan09 [10:47] I think the innovations in digital format may be partially driven by a quest for planned obselescence and to avoid any sort of real industry standards. [10:48] RedrumDog: is that 10 million dedicated players? Also, 21.3 million PS3 sales up until the end of last year. Some of those might be duplicates, so you can't really be sure how many homes have a blu-ray player, but it's probably more than 10 million. [10:48] VHS guys wised up, and put multi-channel sound outputs on the second era VHS players, and that put the nail on the coffin oflaserdiscs. Cuz at first, laserdisc had a hifi sound system, and vhs couldnt keep up. once vhs got the multi track audio, laserdisc were done. [10:48] AlexElliott> well sony said there were 10 million "blu-ray households" dunno what date the article was from [10:48] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] lf4: good question - I think inevitably it will come down to how easy it is to get the costs lowered [10:48] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [10:48] lf4: ... and who will take the initiative to make it happen [10:48] blu-ray diodes are hard to manufacture.... [10:49] lf4: Memory Stick didn't fail [10:49] lf4: sony locks their stuff up so tight that its a barrier to getting the costs down [10:49] If you have an early model DVD player, it may not play some of the modern DVD movies, just because of a newer type of video format. [10:49] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] rk4n3: yeah I agree with you. [10:49] Seems low for the current sales figures, but I don't really know [10:49] straterra: why do you say that? [10:49] lf4: because it didn't.. [10:49] And none of the modern DVD players will play blue-ray so.... [10:49] I still see new devices using memory stick [10:50] straterra: thats because sony sticks with it. but more people use SD and such. [10:50] /agree with lf4 [10:50] sony is all about proprietary formats and royalties [10:50] SD is also newer..and a lot smaller [10:50] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:51] and their documentation/apis always suck [10:51] "panzer> pioneer just stopped making laserdisc players 1Jan09" <--- that makes sense, because most consumer devices back then "honored" the mantra of 20 year lifetime support mentaility for consumer devices (it was the law..dont see many companies doing it now a days sadly :( [10:51] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:51] I'm just waiting for them to crack open BD+ [10:51] heh [10:51] straterra: ok what about flashdisks? those are older and they were more populer then memory sticks. [10:51] CF? [10:51] yeah [10:51] Blu-ray isn't owned by Sony entirely, they're just one of the bigger members of the blu-ray disc association [10:51] see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_rot [10:52] cf has a different target [10:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:52] AlexElliott: Thats what I was getting as I read about it. I was thinking it was a full sony product. [10:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:53] there's no denying the vendor-lock-in factor for memory stick [10:53] lf4: people prefer to think that, makes for a more interesting story :p [10:53] the CF guys are apparently working on a new variant based on SATA instead of IDE. heh [10:53] CFast or whatever. [10:53] Sony being one of 18 companies on the board makes it more boring [10:54] AlexElliott: I hate when people do that and not state the full facts. [10:54] I think in the future, that discs such as bluray, dvd... will be obsolete.. if they stick with hardware-type media formats.. it'll move to USB-type stuff at one point.. but I really think that streaming video like Netflix is going to be the future. [10:54] Dominian: That is so true [10:54] it probably will end up happening like that. [10:54] aye [10:54] But not the immediate future at least, the infrastructure isn't there in most places [10:55] AlexElliott: aye [10:55] I think piracy will be the future. [10:55] however, I have Netflix.. I have an xbox360.. :) [10:55] Dominian, 'netflix' I see that too. But I see a huge uphill battle for the near foreseeable future due to bandwith, licensing, and fud of filesharing. [10:55] streaming video ftw [10:55] Thats a 10-15 years away if I had to guess [10:55] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Old_Fogie: True, however, Netflix works deals out with the movie guys etc.. that allows them to do what they do :) [10:55] Dominian, the cable companies do not like the idea of a user getting video over their wire, and them not getting the full $ for it. [10:55] About 9 years ago, I bought one of the best consumer model digital camera's thinking that it would certainly harbor industry standard technology - I got a card reader to go with it and one extra "SmartMedia" memory chip. Now there are about 30+ types of media and "SmartMedia" is obsolete. The camera still works great, (3.2Megapixel), but can't get any more memory chips for it. [10:56] piracy continues to grow, and there's no reason to assume anyone will be able to stop it, ever. [10:56] Action: lf4 has netflix but I never use it lol its more for my family [10:56] AzalynX: lol no one will be able to stop it :D [10:56] there are certain demographics that are not familiar with how to use bittorrent and so on, but the young crowd is going to grow up one day, you know? heh [10:56] lf4: I love Netflix. [10:56] lf4: I used to hate it..but I love it now [10:56] and they'll still be using this technology [10:57] lf4: like.. with TiVO.. long ago I thought tha twas a FAD until I started using it... [10:57] peer-to-peer is just going to take over the earth. [10:57] Dominian, like, my cable company is time warner, and they really dont want to lose the digital tv subscription / movie channels from millions of people. I see the time warners of the world really fighting this for time to come, eventually , they'll lose, but yea I see it boiling to a head a soon. [10:57] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [10:57] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:57] I dont hate it or love it lol I just dont watch enough tv to make it worth the money in my opinion. [10:57] I hear those Netflix boxes are selling very well. (They connect via your wired or wireless LAN.) [10:57] Old_Fogie: well, take a look at the net neutraility stuff going on :) [10:57] Dominian, yeah let's hope [10:57] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:57] usr13: yeah, but I have an xbo360.. pay 50/year for a gold membership.. free streaming :) [10:58] Dominian: True DVR's are great lol I wanted a TiVO when they first came out because I knew that was going to take off. [10:58] streaming might be successful at first, but when independents get involved, (like how you have many shoutcast radio streams now that don't license their content) [10:58] Dominian: Proof that what is most popular is not always best choice. [10:58] it's going to get pretty insane. [10:58] http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/images/eugenics/normal/501-550/501-Harriman-philanthropy-to-have-a-board-of-scientific-directors-The-New-York-Times.jpg [10:59] RedrumDog: tl;dr [10:59] whats tl;dr [10:59] Correction, it wasn't 9 years ago it was only 7 years ago that I bought that $350 Olympus Camera. [10:59] too long; didnt read [10:59] 4 letters and a semi colon [10:59] :P [10:59] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Azalyn> it says rockefeller funded the movement lol [11:00] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [11:00] and morgan and harriman if you look...but typical crime families are in cahoots on all kinds of "movements" [11:01] elson (n=elsons20@gatea.thls.bbc.co.uk) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [11:02] This part of the programme will include the study of America's most effective blood lines and the methods of obtaining the preponderance and relative increase of the best strains; the study of the origin of and the best methods of restricting the strains that produce the defective and delinquent classes of the community; [11:02] lool [11:02] poverty is genetic! [11:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:05] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:05] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:06] RedrumDog: It's all darwins fault [11:06] amiriteorwat? [11:06] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] galton and mendel [11:06] How are LG or Lite-On optical drives? [11:07] rworkman, ok found an app here that doesnt like python 2.6, scribus. [11:07] lf4> lg's are pretty good, lite-ons last about 2 years [11:07] ayone got any good burning software suggestions BESIDES xfburn, k3b, or xcdroast? [11:08] bashburn [11:08] RedrumDog: thanks. :) [11:08] mybashburn is nice [11:08] cdrecord [11:08] Dominian: bash$ recorder ;) [11:08] This is for my wife... [11:08] oh [11:08] so it needs to be GUI unfortunately [11:08] gnome-baker :) [11:08] or brasero [11:08] write a script for her :) [11:08] Old_Fogie: Ok.. and NOT gnome :P [11:08] Dominian, ahahah [11:08] :) [11:08] but my wife can use them, and well take from that what you will :) [11:09] Dominian: Use GUI terminal. :) [11:09] yeah I'm not explaing this to my wife over IM [11:09] :) [11:09] Dominian: There's something like gnometoaster or...??? [11:10] why don't you want to use k3b, xfburn or xcdroast? [11:10] What the heck is DVD-RAM? [11:10] Dominian: http://gnometoaster.rulez.org/ [11:10] xfburn has some issues for some reason.. no time to troubleshoot.. xcdroast failed miserably and the version of k3b in kde 4.2.2 on slamd64 is fscked .. doesn't burn music properly [11:11] wow has anyone ever used DVD-RAM before with burning stuff and rewriting it? [11:11] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:11] lf4, dvd ram was a bad move, took *forever* to burn something [11:12] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:12] Old_Fogie: I never even heard of it until just now :P I thought there was only DVD-RW and DVD+RW lol now DVD-RAM thats so weird. [11:13] There's also DVD-R DVD+R ;P [11:13] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Dominian: yeah but those are not rewritable :) [11:13] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:13] Nick change: _NaCl_ -> NaCl [11:14] slackytude3 (n=hotline@p4FD89C65.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:15] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-195.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [11:16] nacl doing his thing...now i need to ignore renames lol [11:17] The ISP is acting up. :/ [11:17] Action: NaCl disables reconnects [11:18] NaCl: Call your service provider and bitch-em-out. :) [11:18] call the isp [11:18] NaCl: your OC48 connection going down? [11:18] The ISP is changing my IP address. Repeatedly. [11:18] NaCl: With a name like that, it ought to go down! [11:18] lf4: It's a DSL line [11:19] oh well there is your problem [11:19] DSL :{ [11:19] http://lab.andre-michelle.com/tonematrix [11:19] NaCl: Yea, but is it pppoe or... dhcp or....??? [11:19] dhcp [11:20] NaCl: Yes, well they may have their dhcp server set to short leases and to refresh often to keep you hoppin... [11:20] Action: nix_chix0r loves her new job! [11:21] nix_chix0r: what is it? [11:21] nix_chix0r: So what does she do??? [11:22] as of yesterday i'm an intake clerk for a independent disability company. they basically are the ones you hire to help you when you try to get social security and disability benefits and get denied [11:22] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Lectus (n=lectus@189.105.79.158) left irc: "Leaving." [11:22] NaCl: They may also have just made changes to your local dhcp server and rebooted it. [11:22] cool nix_chix0r :) [11:22] or maybe your isp hates you NaCl [11:23] <_NaCl_> Who knows. :/ [11:23] its such an awesome job. and i can pee when ever i want with out some one breathing down my neck sayin it aint ok. i say that alot because i worked at northwest and when i was pregnant that was aproblem [11:23] I wish someone would breth down my neck while i pee [11:23] lol [11:23] me__: Thats distrubing [11:23] haha [11:24] <_NaCl_> usr13: the modem logs say something like "PPP disconnected on ... : PPP commanded down" [11:24] Action: Old_Fogie wonders how many pm's volunteering to do that are hitting me__ right now! [11:24] sidmario (i=sidmario@189-18-172-208.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Old_Fogie: count me out of that list. [11:24] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest83194 [11:25] but i think the best thing other than the pay is my own office, and a shared music server employees use to listen to music at their desks so i'm going to throw some on a thumbdrive today and bring in some music to liven up the place [11:25] lol nix_chix0r yeah that is a nice job :) [11:25] ever heard of shoutcast.com [11:26] I'm taking a book to work with me... hopefully nothing happens to the servers and I can just read for the 9hrs I'm there. [11:26] last.fm is a nice site for listening to music. [11:27] Hows this "lightscribe" technology? I would think that might wear the drive down a lot faster. [11:27] It's a different laser [11:28] "laser" [11:28] straterra: Ahh now that would make sense. :) and nothing in my world makes sense. [11:28] lf4: it doesn't look very good, either [11:28] I have a lightscribe drive [11:29] oh and the discs are way more expensive [11:29] kamaji: yeah I've seen the disks but never did any reading in to it because I just thought its a fad lol [11:29] thanks for the info :) [11:29] np :P [11:29] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] to be fair though if you write the same image multiple times the contrast gets a bit better... still sucks tho [11:30] Guest83194 (i=sidmario@189-18-172-208.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:31] kamaji: I see... lol I have a CD stamping kit and I think I used it all of once I just write with a sharpie :D [11:32] sharpies: what CAN'T they do [11:32] A_666_A (n=sidmario@189-18-173-48.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:32] kamaji: nothing... if you breath them in enough anything can happen :D [11:33] hee hee [11:35] Guest83194 (n=sidmario@201-95-73-4.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:35] nix_chix0r, i just got a job too, yay [11:36] yayyyyyyy [11:36] and you are working already? [11:37] bit of a random question why is the default ttyX baud rate 38400? [11:38] merp (n=merp@188.sub-75-216-55.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [11:38] because it is a sane default? 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[11:57] <_RadioHead> hi all [11:58] hey _RadioHead [11:58] Awesome music [11:58] ;) [11:59] <_RadioHead> elderK: :) hello [11:59] <_RadioHead> yah i like radiohead music :) [12:00] I like, listened to them exclusively for a year, back when I was in highschool. [12:00] :) [12:00] Now, I'm rediscovering GNR. [12:00] LLiiiiveee and let dieeeeeee [12:00] live and let die! [12:00] Action: elderK lights lighters [12:00] I DO NOT EVER WANT TO ADMINISTRATE ANY DEBIAN-BASED COMPUTER OR SET OF COMPUTERS ! [12:00] now that I've said that, I'm happy :) [12:00] oh and KMFDM, I may have that wrong [12:00] :) Hey Tux! [12:00] And hey, I hear you man [12:00] :P [12:00] Down with Debian, hard. [12:00] I never got why so many people dig debian so much [12:01] <_RadioHead> Camarade_Tux: when i introduce slackware then no other distro sweet to em :) only sometimes ubuntu for family use :) [12:02] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] a friend of mine wanted better sound support on his ubuntu and that basically meant a more recent kernel, once I had upgraded his kernel to 2.6.29, I changed the nvidia driver but didn't have enought time to set everything so I booted him on the old kernel, fine, except for the nvidia drivers [12:03] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [12:03] and I spent 45 minutes trying to get an ubuntu kernel driver, and install it [12:03] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:03] that would have taken less than 5 minutes if the kernel sources corresponding to the system were available, of course they weren't [12:04] heh, ubuntu [12:05] ubuntu is a bad dream [12:05] nightmare [12:05] Aye. [12:05] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [12:05] <_RadioHead> Camarade_Tux: thats why i like slackware, you do all by yourself and thigns are clean :) exclude update kde3.5.x to kde4.x :) [12:06] the problem wasn't ubuntu at all, it was the debian foundations [12:06] I don't care what anyone says about Slackware, the fact that it is /vanilla/ is a god send. [12:06] globalist takeover of the linux movement [12:06] MAYBE hehe [12:06] what's vanilla [12:06] like untouched stuff? [12:06] yeah. [12:06] i hate anything that requires an RPM [12:06] vanilla is the reason i use it [12:06] FREEEEEEDOM [12:06] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: [12:06] I dont think RPMs themselves are shit, I think how Redhat Linux was always seriously patched the fuck up, was shit. [12:06] As for 'binary package mangers' [12:06] dude [12:06] I dont get it [12:06] freedom from groupthink [12:06] I compile most things from scratch [12:06] except for the base system [12:06] Its not hard [12:06] yea, i used it because back in the day when i was a script kiddie.. slackware seemed the one to be less effected by exploits. [12:07] No where near hard. [12:07] updating everything except kde will definitely not work [12:07] elderK> what about the Slackbuild groupthink [12:07] and i'm being honest [12:07] you just can't do anything on a debian-based system : you need to upgrade anything ? make a package for it ! (and it's certainly not as easy as grabbing the slackbuild) [12:07] Ive used debian three times [12:07] each time [12:07] it wasnt installed longer than an hour. [12:07] heheh [12:07] In the 9ish years Ive used Linux [12:07] The last time, it fucked my computer slightly badly. [12:08] because, even though I told it to use the MBR :P [12:08] it decided to try and be smart, [12:08] i installed it once years ago...and the mount command couldnt do anything right....so i rm -rf / [12:08] and it fucked my GPT. [12:08] on top of that, under a VM, I saw nothing I liked there. [12:08] Oh GEE [12:08] to compile a kernel [12:08] you have to get allk inds of stupid crap. [12:08] btw, mount on debian = mount on slackware [12:08] instead of just the source.... etc. [12:08] thrice`> thats what i assumed [12:08] I thikn Slackware is one of the last bastions of like, UNIXlike goodness. [12:09] The rest of Llinux landsacpe at least, seems to be pussifying. [12:09] No o ffense meant to anyone here. [12:09] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:09] :) [12:09] you just like control and value education [12:09] they...dont [12:10] and respect standards and freedom from proprietary hoop jumping [12:10] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:10] or community driven brainwash that gives you more layers of complexity to fail [12:11] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] i just dont understand redhat users [12:12] ubuntu is the linux tower of babel [12:12] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:14] I dont know, [12:14] Redhat is an odd thing. [12:14] I mean, again, I dont thikn RPM in and of itself is satan. [12:14] I think a RPM based source system would be decent, maybe. [12:14] But then [12:14] that isnt redhat. [12:14] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [12:14] :p; [12:14] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:14] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Fedora, Redhat, I dislike. [12:14] rpm just makes you go DURrr when the rpm doesnt work and you never learned how to use a terminal [12:14] shit, for a second.. i thought that was me being kicked [12:15] eheh [12:15] haha [12:15] I get kicked a lot, it seems [12:15] lol [12:15] me too [12:15] :P [12:15] man there are millions of rpm's.. [12:15] Well, yes. But, I see RPM as roughly analogous to TGZ. [12:15] Just, with more metacrap. [12:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429003.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:15] :P [12:15] 70% are outdated garbage on dead repos that hang onto *repo based distros* like a crusty turdnugget [12:16] yea and you have to find people willing to mirror it [12:16] and after a few months, everything went straight to the garbage [12:16] aye [12:16] I prefer source systems. [12:16] and you have to trust the mirrors [12:16] I think Slackware strikes a good balance between Source and Binary. [12:16] :) [12:17] how? it's completely binary [12:17] use binary when it makes it easier, otherwise source [12:17] Administ1ator (n=Administ@92.82.73.11) joined ##slackware. [12:17] exactly. [12:17] thrice`: I install the minimum I need from the distribution's CDs. [12:17] then I build the rest from scratch. [12:17] with "completely binary" package managers, the dev headers are in seperate packages that you have to find to compile anything [12:17] yup [12:17] then you run into dependency hell an outdated repos with custom patches [12:17] RedrumDog: well said sir [12:17] Debian is bad for that. [12:18] and hey, anyone know a nicer way I can write ps.symbols - (scopes + 1) [12:18] :P I cant post increment [12:18] because scope is used before. [12:18] :P [12:18] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [12:18] in the same statement. [12:18] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:18] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Cheers slackboy . [12:18] ;) [12:18] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.249) left irc: "Leaving" [12:18] Action: drijen kicks slackboy in the junk [12:18] push enter less [12:18] elderK: is not a punctuation mark [12:18] ps.symbols - scopes + 1 ? [12:19] lol [12:19] lol... [12:19] it needs the parans, precedence. [12:19] It's okay, Ill do something else :) [12:19] if you say so [12:19] It's merely a style question [12:19] :) [12:19] http://www.difranco.net/cop2220/op-prec.htm [12:19] ? [12:20] oh yeah my bad lolll [12:20] :P [12:20] my iphone gave me braincancer ;/ [12:21] just be glad it wasn't testicular cancer [12:21] RedrumDog: can't give what you already had ^_~ [12:21] Administ1ator (n=Administ@92.82.73.11) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:21] losing a nut could improve brain function [12:21] HAHAHAAHAHA [12:21] :P [12:21] less testosterone [12:21] awesome [12:21] lol [12:21] Action: amazon10x just realized he said brain cancer is better than testicular cancer... [12:22] amazon10x> time for an mri [12:22] more radiation surely wont hurt [12:24] why does this coconut juice say "Sulphur Dioxide" is an allergy alert [12:24] lol [12:24] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] >.> [12:26] Samy1 (n=Administ@92.82.73.11) joined ##slackware. [12:28] because you shouldn't have been near any volcanoes lately? [12:30] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-025-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:31] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [12:41] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [12:44] hey [12:44] what's up [12:44] not much - yourself? [12:45] chillin out [12:45] nice nice [12:45] chillfest [12:46] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:46] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:46] "danny can't talk right now, mrs. torrence." --tony, the shining [12:47] haha [12:47] TAK ALA, TAK! [12:47] has package format changed from 12.2 to -current, and is that why I had to run slackpkg update, install-new, upgrade-all *twice*? [12:47] yes [12:47] thank you [12:47] you had to run it twice? [12:48] even from a March -current twice is required [12:48] yes, I guess, once to update package management tools and then again to upgrade dist [12:48] the pkgtools have to be updated before txz packages can be processed [12:48] inahurry: guess what .. that is why there is a ChangeLog.txt. does help if you read it. [12:48] thank you very much, I thought I had screwed up something [12:49] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:49] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-253-76.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [12:49] you have. You didn't read the changelog. :) [12:49] lol [12:50] thanks, I'll make a note on that and rtfm in the future [12:50] inahurry: in fact i think the info on that is right at the head of the changelog right now [12:51] you are right [12:51] Zordrak: second entry ;) [12:51] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.111) joined ##slackware. [12:51] oyah [12:52] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-253-76.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] if I do the dist upgrade from run level 1, I won't have to restart to take into account the kernel update, right? [12:53] O_o [12:53] ...... [12:53] D; [12:53] i dont even know where to start correcting that sentence [12:53] dist upgrade? [12:53] What tool are you using? [12:54] inahurry: if you run -current, those are question you shouldn't even *need* to ask. [12:54] Action: SlackLnx hi o/ [12:54] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:54] hey SlackLnx [12:55] Zordrak: probably with a lot of booze and headdesking? ;) [12:55] I can provide the booze and desk [12:55] hahah PC Magazine says "Wubi Ubuntu Installer" is a BestBet....because it has no installation pain [12:55] Action: RedrumDog chokes on blood [12:55] Wubi is very impressive [12:55] inahurry: only booze and desk? you can't provide everyone here with head? [12:56] .... heh. [12:56] head? [12:56] antler, wait, what? where? when? [12:56] inahurry: Pull a copy of each of UPGRADE.TXT CURRENT.WARNING FAQ.TXT README.TXT RELEASE_NOTES ChangeLog.txt and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [12:56] edman007: heheh [12:56] inahurry: and dont come back until you have read AND UNDERSTOOD every sentence [12:57] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Action: edman007 punches firebird619 [12:57] thanks Zordrak, but are they available in other than english language? [12:57] why did you leave?!?!?!?! [12:57] -current is not rocket science [12:57] inahurry: they aren't. [12:57] *hd* [12:57] Hey edman007, How are you? [12:57] good [12:57] thrice`: I always wonder what Nasa engineers would say in that case ;) [12:57] i got a job today, yay [12:57] slackware 13 will b e very interesting [12:57] get google to translate them for you [12:57] edman007: seriously? Sweet. Where at? [12:57] ok, thanks [12:57] :) [12:58] Necos_: it already is [12:58] nvision (n=nvision@g229125221.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:58] "aah! what's a kerenl!!1" [12:58] How is it frustrating? im getting on fine with it [12:58] Hello compl3x. How are you? [12:58] hey firebird619 good man yourself? [12:58] doing great, thanks. [12:58] compl3x: interesting, not frustrating [12:58] firebird619, working with the gov, really close to the city too [12:58] Zordrak, ah right fair enough [12:59] gm gang [12:59] and it starts in the fall, so i get lots of time off [12:59] edman007: awesome. Congrats on getting a job. :) [12:59] i mean the whole txz format [12:59] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [12:59] Action: edman007 waves to VampirePenguin [12:59] edman007> the government? [12:59] 1.9->1.4 gigs [13:00] Necos_: makes no difference other than you will spend less time domnloading and a little more time decompressing [13:00] RedrumDog, yea, branch of the federal gov [13:00] if you are a good cog with some backhanded deals eventually you will get to work for the shadow government! [13:00] RedrumDog, hahahaha [13:00] >.<; [13:00] RedrumDog, they share a building with the contractors they work with [13:01] Zordrak: i mean the amount of compression they were able to get... might actually be able to get the install back down to 2 cds [13:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] engineering what [13:01] ive changed the v4l libs, the gpsca libs, i have the preloader for skype, ive upgraded skype to aliens i686 vs the 486 compile and i still cant figure out why im gettin a green screen and others that i chat with are getting a black one... the preloader is supposed to fix the green screen issue but its not in this case at all [13:01] how going edman007 [13:01] VampirePenguin, good [13:01] cool [13:02] edman007: NOBODY works FOR the government. understand dat. [13:02] shit happens over time the compression is increased and the number of packages are increased in equal measure [13:02] *with, i mean [13:02] you are supposed to work for the people if you work IN the government [13:02] yo antler. How goes it? [13:02] but the government owns us all [13:02] now i just got to finish my finals and such... [13:02] firebird619: hey firebird619 . terrific! you? [13:02] antler, RedrumDog, lol, whatever [13:02] antler: doing great, thanks. :) [13:03] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] edman007> enjoy the compartmentalization 1000 times worse than your big inept corporate jobs [13:03] edman007: admit it, you'll be part of the mib division, wearing a black suit and have the ability to zap all our brains. :P [13:03] RedrumDog: but at least he'll do it for fat paychecks every month :D [13:03] firebird619, lol [13:04] RedrumDog, hahaha [13:04] yuea, i'd work for the dmv or something that helps people [13:04] except when they start taking dna to get a license [13:04] or chipping the licenses or iris scans, thumb prints w/e [13:05] RedrumDog, ...i got to go down and get fingerprinted now... [13:05] edman007> 2 people and thin wax + superglu [13:05] lol [13:05] is it working for the dmv if i pound license plates all day? [13:06] Nick change: Necos_ -> Necos [13:06] dont they get prisoners to do that [13:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:06] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] they give you internet access?! [13:06] yeah [13:06] RedrumDog, same thing right? [13:07] firebird619: then i work for the dmv. i have a uniform and everything. [13:07] its a jumpsuit [13:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:07] antler: sweet, black and white stripes or orange jumpsuit? [13:07] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] :P [13:08] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [13:08] i need to see some fat paychecks. all i ever get are ones with a little gristle on them [13:08] lol [13:08] haha [13:08] Action: edman007 gives antler a heaping serving of gristle [13:08] edman007: you can afford to now, mister. [13:09] Lumisore (n=XSE@61.247.22.127) left irc: [13:09] lol [13:09] edman007: welcome to the matrix. [13:09] My *name* is Neo. :P [13:10] edman007's soon-to-be institutionalized. [13:10] ehh, lol [13:10] immunized [13:11] Action: antler wonders why he can't be like that janitor who solved math problems in 'good will hunting' [13:11] haha [13:12] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.99) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] antler> how do you know you arent like that [13:12] you have the janitor job at least [13:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:13] well, well, well, what have we here? a regular letterman? :P [13:14] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-192-126.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "BitchX: use only under adult supervision" [13:14] heheh [13:14] only funny [13:14] oh, ellen, then. [13:14] im not that manly [13:14] heh she's actually pretty good :D [13:15] i know but why couldnt a hot lesbian be promoted by the establishment [13:15] manish smart blondes are not on my list [13:15] like her ex? she's pretty hot in an obscure kinda way [13:16] damn what's her name.... [13:16] http://pastebin.com/m328a49cb this is correct to a share folder and guest printing from windows ?? [13:16] rosa parks? [13:16] i meant madeline albright [13:16] RedrumDog: you've been listening to too much outkast [13:17] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@125.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [13:17] gotta love outkast [13:17] andre 3000 is cool, but i dont listen to the other half [13:17] ah, anne heche. that's it [13:17] i've encountered a really crappy problem.. i recently switched one of my older (not too old) servers over from openSUSE to Slack 12.2 to give it a try. It's a fileserver on which I rsync several gigs and hundreds of files from a local sata drive to a local pata drive [13:17] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] problem is that the machine hangs part-way through the rsync, every time [13:18] Actress Anne Heche (pronounced haytch) has a reputation for being a little crazy, fueled by her autobiography, Call Me Crazy. She has said that she was sexually abused by her father until she was 12 years old, and that the experience drove her insane and gave her genital herpes. By her mid-20s, Heche says she had two personalities, herself and "Celestia", an alien from another planet who could talk to dead people, see into t [13:18] he future, and was a half-sister of Jesus Christ. [13:18] edman007, what did you get a job at [13:18] beantmt, same place every time? [13:18] Hi nix_chix0r. How are you today? [13:18] firebird619, great, you? [13:18] RedrumDog: that's some fscked up stuff [13:18] nix_chix0r: doing great, Thank you. :) [13:19] compl3x: no, i don't think so, because when i rerun the rsync it picks up where it left off and goes for a while [13:19] antler> and nndb never lies...nndb.com check it out [13:19] RedrumDog: oh cool site [13:19] compl3x: the machine just hangs dead, i can't do anything but kill the power [13:20] run by the scroogle gang and wikipedia watch people [13:20] hmm weird - beantmt clean install? [13:20] and namebase [13:20] compl3x: yeah, a clean 12.2 full install [13:20] err...their newpapers clipping archive [13:20] don't know how rsync handles certain files- but do you have any really long path names? [13:20] compl3x: i replaced an opensuse 11.0 install, where i never had the problem. [13:21] beantmt, did you rsync on suse? [13:21] compl3x: yeah, same exact command [13:21] firebird619, we managed to capture a smiling photo http://i41.tinypic.com/256xlxs.jpg [13:21] i did change one thing [13:21] i'm backing up from SATA -> PATA now instead of vice versa [13:21] whast the command [13:21] beantmt, maybe its an issue with that then.. - could you not try a PATA to SATA? [13:21] sec [13:22] compl3x: i won't be able to until this weekend [13:22] nix_chix0r, he looks like he is going to blow up [13:22] noo [13:22] did you feed him hot sauce or something? [13:22] smeegle gained some weight [13:22] compl3x: i'd have to get them synced up, before i could switch again though. [13:22] well sorry beantmt only things i can think of is a hardware issue [13:22] hahah hot sauce [13:22] edman007, meany [13:22] it's a non gassy smile one of many [13:23] lol [13:23] he just looks so red [13:23] nix_chix0r: Awww, that's really cute. The smile of a baby is very elusive and hard to capture. :) [13:23] maybe he is celtic [13:23] beantmt, just ask around again in a bit - someone bound to notice - someone with more rsync experience than myself.. [13:23] beantmt> whats your rsync command [13:24] RedrumDog: heh that sucks.... no synopses of the bibliographies [13:25] RedrumDog: /usr/bin/rsync -zav --exclude="*.mp3" --exclude="*.mp4" --exclude="*.wma" --exclude="*.m4b" /var/fileserv/drawings/ /var/fileserv/backup/drawings/ [13:25] i've run --dry-run several times and it never hangs, fwiw [13:25] antler> better to look up the powerful elite and make conenctions between their organizations [13:25] heya nix_chix0r :) [13:26] hiya [13:26] RedrumDog: dude. the key to life, i think. [13:26] well you can disable compression for local first of all [13:26] oh, right. [13:26] -z is only during the transfer [13:27] what filesystem is backup [13:27] both ext3 [13:28] i use this /usr/local/bin/rsync -rLkti --progress --stats --delete [13:28] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:28] and it never hangs for over 100,000 files [13:29] did you disable logging in the rsyncd.conf? [13:31] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [13:31] hello [13:31] http://www.nndb.com/people/606/000022540/ <---- oh robin williams is straight?! always thought he was gay [13:31] RedrumDog: i didn't change anything there [13:32] antler> cokes a hell of a drug [13:32] hahah [13:32] antler: he marrieda stripper :) [13:32] left his hot ass wife for a stripper, rather >.> [13:33] haha [13:33] i thought his boyfriend was that irritating guy with the loud voice in at least one of the 'problem child' movies [13:34] this guy -----> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0331906/ [13:34] beantmt> maybe its lagging because its skipping all your mp3s and stuff? so it just looks like its doing nothing and the rest of the new delay is because pata is slower reciever? [13:34] damn annoying [13:34] hes not gay, just jewish [13:35] hahaha [13:35] RedrumDog: the problem is that i can issue a ctrl+c and/or ctrl+alt+del and nothing happens. [13:35] i don't see the connection, but that sounded funny [13:35] well he has the jewish woman voice thing going on at least [13:35] Executive summary: Loudmouth Jewish comic [13:37] beantmt> your entire system freezes? [13:37] RedrumDog: yeah [13:37] and you have an okay swap file right? [13:39] RedrumDog: such a cool site, man. thanks for the link. another misconception i had that don knotts was gay. i'm being schooled today. [13:39] RedrumDog: yeah http://rafb.net/p/Sazerr71.html [13:40] is that 4gigs or 400mb [13:40] meh gues it shouldnt matter [13:40] all i can think of is drive has bad sectors [13:41] or cpu is overheating... [13:41] try updating rsync [13:42] that was actually another question of mine, how does slack do updates? is there just some URL to get the newest official packages from? or should I just build a new version from source? [13:42] beantmt> you can start rsync from inetd.conf if you want after updating rsync stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/bin/rsync rsyncd --daemon [13:43] (that's 4 gig btw) [13:43] beantmt> just look for the latest security patches on slackware.com...compile rest by hand, at least thats whats easiest for me [13:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:43] antler, maybe it just that your are gay... [13:44] i mean if you are upgrading a package that slackware provides, i usually just remove the original package [13:44] or install it somewhere else and use absolute paths [13:44] edman007: hahah could very well be. speaking of which ellen's wife is Portia de Rossi. omfg she's hot. [13:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:45] beantmt> try doing watch -n1 dmesg -c and starting the rsync...maybe you will get to see an error [13:45] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] before i t locks up...also monitor watch -n1 free -m and top [13:46] yeah, i've been watching top, rsync gets up to about 80% CPU (nothing else is going on when i update) but the memory usage is pretty minimal [13:47] UPDATE people SET sexual_orientation ='straight' WHERE name='Portia de Rossi' [13:47] is that 80% iowait or what [13:47] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:47] RedrumDog: i'm not sure [13:48] how would i know? [13:48] top will say iowait at the top [13:49] i'd do dmesg -c in a watch and try again...something is choking [13:49] top gives you the %wait CPU, that is IO wait [13:49] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [13:49] sup slackers ;) [13:49] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:49] edman007: so the x.x%wa field? [13:50] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:50] yea [13:50] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host153-98-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:50] cool [13:50] if its high, that means lots of IO Wait [13:50] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] indicating the drive(s) is having trouble, right? [13:51] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [13:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host153-98-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:51] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@125.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:51] mr. t : Executive summary: Long track record of pitying fools rofl [13:52] alright, i will try some more when i can, thanks for the pointers guys. 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[13:53] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] beantmt, no....indicating that data can't get in or out of the system, usually it just means that you are doing too much stuff [13:56] edman007: oh.. well, rsync is really all that is going on when i do the backups, and the machine should definitely be able to handle it unless there is a some flakey hardware [13:56] basically you can bring it way up by just trying to open every file on the drive at the same time and reading everything, the CPU does not have much of a problem reading a few GB of random data from a few hundred thousand files in a short period of time, but the drive just can't do that, so you get very high IO wait as the CPU can tell the drive to do 10,000 things and the drive can only do one at a time (and that would knock your load aver [13:56] age up to 10,000) [13:57] replace your pata cable [13:57] of course, if the drive is bad, it might respond slow, and that would result in unusually high IO wait for simple tasks [13:57] dmesg would report issues [13:58] or smartd/smartctl if you know how to read it [13:58] it also helps to hdparm -d1 -c3 the pata drive [13:58] things like rsync though are threaded though and will just give the drive a whole lot of things to do, and it can knock your load average up to 10-20 by doing that, and it helps because it lets the drive pick through the dozen things to do and sort them to minimize head movement [13:58] and set the multisect to the limit said by hdparm -Ii [13:59] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Leaving" [14:00] mounting the file system with noatime may help under certain circumstances, too ... [14:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:01] atime is like useless when you have mtime [14:01] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:02] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-72-47-14-178.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] indeed, which is why mounting with noatime can save the mess of instructions wasted in updating atime on reads [14:04] all good advice [14:04] i'm just mounting with defaults [14:04] Man. When FreeBSD gets into dependency hell, they don't fsck around! ughggghhh... [14:05] Action: thrice` uses relatime [14:05] eviljames> dll hell wasnt even that bad in windows [14:05] RedrumDog: hahah, everything's that bad in Windows :D [14:05] Action: eviljames is a little bit zealotous lately [14:05] relatime will be the default in 2.6.30 iirc [14:06] a little bit zealotous is an xoymoron [14:06] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Client Quit [14:06] are you calling me dumb? [14:06] for windows, there are several incompatibles version of msvcrt.dll (their names weren't versionned) and the same applies to zlib1.dll (and cygwin1.dll) [14:06] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:06] hahaha [14:06] Camarade_Tux: ohgodwhy?! [14:06] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.224.123) joined ##slackware. [14:06] eviljames, becauseithadtobedoneonceatleast? =) [14:07] new cygwin will fix that [14:07] someone had to fsck everything up once at least, now we know the result ;) [14:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] Camarade_Tux: I did that this morning... while updating some stuff on the BSD server, I changed openldap around [14:08] i remember mesagl running isntead of opengl [14:08] haha [14:08] little did I know that samba depended on it to _RUN_ [14:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:08] eviljames, lol ;p [14:08] I had to mess with ubuntu ! [14:08] I WILL NEVER DO THAT AGAIN ! [14:08] (today is the first day I use all caps on this channel) [14:09] heh [14:10] urgggh [14:10] applet.c:35:28: error: dbus/dbus-glib.h: No such file or directory [14:11] I've installed dbus, glib, dbus-glib and what do I get? bullcrap! [14:11] dbus-dev glib-dev dbus-glib-dev ? [14:11] Wrong os :D [14:11] lol ;p [14:12] wrong channel [14:12] hahah [14:12] definitely :D [14:12] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:12] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:12] I think I'll go with netbsd for my first BSD experience, freebsd smells like it has too much bureaucracy [14:12] Action: RedrumDog casts eviljames into the fiery pit of ubunturds [14:12] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:12] RedrumDog: This is on bsd. [14:12] does it matter? [14:12] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Well, if you're going to be casting me into a pit of ubuntards (aka the Sarlacc pit) [14:13] Then yes, it matters :D [14:13] I don't need my soul eaten by n00bs [14:13] its dependency hell and you cant compile...sounds like ubuntu [14:13] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:13] we definitely need to register boobuntu.org [14:13] and lubuntu.* too :) [14:14] and choochoobuntu [14:14] and chocobuntu? [14:14] I wish we had chocobos in real life :( [14:14] doodoobuntu [14:14] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Then I wouldn't ride my bike everywhere, I'd ride my bird everywhere! [14:15] you can ride ostriches [14:15] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Camarade_Tux, freenas is bitchin when it comes to settin up a server [14:17] Hey Camarade_Tux. How are you? [14:17] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:18] why [14:18] why does my evil twin keep following me [14:18] one sec [14:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] breadybread? [14:19] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] haha [14:19] ha ha [14:19] ssh + kill = win [14:19] yarr [14:19] hey firebird619, doing nice, what about you ? =) [14:20] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thank you. :) [14:20] you can ride ostriches [14:20] I'm putting that on my "things to do before I die" list. [14:21] ssh -X -Y = win [14:21] ccfreak2k: good luck fulfilling your list. :) [14:21] maybe -X can be ignored, though. [14:21] Australia has ostriches right? [14:21] ccfreak2k: It's already on mine, for sure. Now to find me an ostrich farmer. [14:22] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.214.139) joined ##slackware. [14:22] eviljames: http://www.ostrich.ca/manual/product.htm [14:23] http://cgi.ebay.com/Ozark-Saddle-King-Lime-Green-Ostrich-15-Barrel-Saddle_W0QQitemZ350161165150QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item51873b5b5e&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 [14:23] whoa, is that url long enough? :P [14:23] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-025-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:24] its ebays tracking [14:24] trkparms= [14:24] Here, better one: [14:24] http://dickensurl.com/a8e2/I_am_the_only_child_of_parents_who_weighed_measured_and_priced_everything_for_whom_what_could_not_be_weighed_measured_and_priced_had_no_existence [14:24] wow, descriptive. [14:25] firebird619: dickensurl.com ftw :D Convert ugly long url into a quote from Charles Dickens [14:25] confusing [14:25] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [14:25] eviljames: sweet [14:25] i like ur1.ca [14:25] Samy1 (n=Administ@92.82.73.11) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:26] hey [14:27] firebird619, have a try at dickensurl.com ;) [14:27] hey firebird619 [14:27] compl3x: yo dude. [14:27] sup eviljames [14:27] Hey compl3x [14:27] HELLO FRIENDS! [14:27] :p [14:28] Action: compl3x needs smoke [14:28] hey compl3x :) [14:28] smoking is bad ! [14:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] hey Camarade_Tux - yeah I know it is :/ [14:28] Camarade_Tux: http://dickensurl.com/a8e3/It_is_a_melancholy_truth_that_even_great_men_have_their_poor_relations [14:28] eviljames, haha, didn't see you linked to dickensurl too ;) [14:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:29] firebird619, that's a short one, I'm sure you can do much better ;) [14:29] firebird619, you ever get adesklets working? [14:29] compl3x: yup, sure did. Had to recompile with the --without-fontconfig option. [14:29] yeah, I had to do a screenshot for Urchlay :) [14:29] Camarade_Tux: that's my desktop [14:29] firebird619, haha always the "simple" things :p [14:30] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:30] compl3x: that link I just posted is my desktop, I got weather working in conky too. [14:30] firebird619, what fluxbox theme? I want ! :p [14:31] compl3x: The theme is tar from tenr.de [14:31] wallpaper from Vlad studio. [14:31] hmmm, /me had some really nice screenshots : http://pers.yaxm.org/screenshots/ [14:31] conky's theme I got from Arch forums. [14:31] (don't miss http://pers.yaxm.org/screenshots/03-09-07/kuisss.png nnsfw) [14:32] Camarade_Tux: flux? http://pers.yaxm.org/screenshots/youp.png [14:32] What's that think on the left side? [14:33] firebird619, no, that's windows ;) [14:33] :( [14:33] it's litestep, a shell based on *box (blackbox iirc) [14:33] firebird619, cheers for the link - some lush styles in there [14:33] Ah, yeah, I've heard of litestep [14:33] I bet you could emulate that look somehow in slackware, get to work. :P [14:33] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] litestep is terribly powerful, really really powerful [14:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host153-98-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [14:34] this looks interesting: http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/linux-wallpaper-application-based-on.html [14:34] what's that website already imgomp ? [14:35] there's imagebin.org, imgur.com [14:35] tinypic.com [14:35] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [14:35] yup, that's a decent one too. [14:35] there was a nice one, ad-less, that I've first seen a few days ago [14:36] they are all adless to me [14:36] gosh, I have so many conky themes now it's crazy. [14:36] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [14:36] now get fluxbox and widgets for your slit [14:36] Action: toastytoast got an old gateway 2000 case today [14:36] Camarade_Tux> yawoot.com ? [14:36] kill it!!! [14:36] RedrumDog: me? I'm using fluxbox + conky [14:36] and yes i think it's awsome it comes up apst my knees while i'm stadnin i'm over 6ft tall [14:36] toastytoast: a tower of doom? [14:37] you can run quake 1 in a widget on fluxbox [14:37] i actually wanna do my next buils in it [14:37] I got rid of a gateway 2000 tower recently [14:37] fluxbox sucks [14:37] use openbox :> [14:38] troll! [14:38] you would build a rlly nice machine it then if some broke into your house they prolly wouldn't look twice at it [14:38] thrice`: fluxbox does not suck, why do you think that? [14:38] and no fluxbox does not suck i love my fluxbox [14:38] I kept the combo 5.25/3.5 floppy drive though [14:38] pi31415> packrat? [14:38] i'm also useing flouxbox + conky [14:39] pi31415: I wish I'd've kept such a thing. [14:39] you never know when you will want to read a 5.25 floppy [14:39] 1973 [14:39] toastytoast: what's your conky look like? [14:39] *87 [14:39] It's true. I Could get my old rot13-crypt assembler program! [14:39] If I could read 5 1/4" floppy [14:39] uh i could write you one in 5 minutes [14:39] http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/xerodill/backgroundsandstuff/sc1.jpg [14:40] Slackware - Powered by Linux [14:40] edman007: RedrumDog: looks like iowait is between 45-50% while backing up [14:40] i upgraded rsync and i am trying again [14:40] it's too bad openssl doesn't support rot13 [14:40] the one on my laptop looks almost the same [14:40] beantmt> hdparm -d1 -c3 /dev/PATA [14:40] toastytoast: very nice. [14:40] pi31415> lol [14:40] ty [14:40] RedrumDog: What I'm referring to was my first assembler program, written in 1992. [14:40] beantmt, that is normal [14:41] eviljames> my first assembler was on punchcards [14:41] i learned asm around 92 myself, for no other reason than to write evil DOS TSR programs [14:41] but what i plan to do with the gateway 200 case is prolly like i did with my pionex case and try and find soemwhere i can drill a hole for a 120mm fan [14:41] Slackware: The baby can wait; -current just got updated. [14:41] RedrumDog: You fricken' dinosaur! [14:42] dang.. well it finished this time, but it didn't have very much left to do [14:42] ada was a hottie btw [14:42] after having failed three times [14:42] omg so many fluxbox styles .. [14:42] http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/xerodill/computer/100_0070.jpg [14:43] compl3x: there's a ton at that site I gave, I downloaded them all. :) [14:43] beantmt> get a new pata cable and run the hdparm at boot in /etc/rc.d/rc.local [14:43] and hopefully no more problems [14:43] http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/xerodill/computer/100_0071.jpg [14:43] firebird619, same - and i copied them all to styles :D :p [14:43] compl3x: same here. [14:43] i'd put rsyncd in inetd.conf too...cuz its easy [14:43] :) [14:43] something maybe liek that but i'm not sure yet [14:43] firebird619, changing style from the menu takes up all my monitor space haha [14:44] firebird619, check out miro haha [14:44] aither that or i'll throw a liquid cooling stem in the gatewaycase it has enough room for it [14:44] haha [14:44] the establishment is really pushing twitter [14:44] compl3x: WHAT, miro, are you serious. :P It's friggen pink. [14:44] eventually i'll hopefully be able to do a paint jsod the the poinex case and thegateway [14:44] firebird619, haha i quite like it [14:45] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-168.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:45] I, on the other hand, do not. [14:45] :P [14:45] http://omploader.org/vMW56Nw <- my desktop [14:45] I just switched to bora_black. There's so many to choose from. [14:45] (I just killed and revived conky, that's why the bars are empty) [14:45] firebird619, centurion_color's are quite nice ones [14:46] nvision (n=nvision@g229125221.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:46] firebird619, hope you're not under shock ;) [14:47] Camarade_Tux: haha, just a bit. That's very plain. You just use the right-click menu? [14:47] looks like you're running conky from your .xinitrc file only [14:47] jsut what it looks likes not syeing you are [14:48] Here's the conky screenshots, configs, on arch forums: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=39906&p=1 [14:48] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] firebird619, my right-click menu has (in order) : XTerm, Firefox, XChat, System [Reconfigure Openbox, Exit Openbox] [14:49] Camarade_Tux: That's it? wow [14:49] yes inded wow [14:50] firebird619, toastytoast, http://omploader.org/vMW56YQ [14:50] my right click has a bunch of stuff...but i never use it...maybe i should instead of going to the lower left for the menu [14:50] Step inside the OpenBox. :) [14:50] im an idiot [14:50] Camarade_Tux: wow, just wow. [14:50] i wish xfce could attack tabs like fluxbox [14:50] did I mention the rest ? [14:50] I have no window decorations [14:51] firebird619, so many themes ]= [14:51] WHAT, are you insane man. [14:51] i found i liked the ps3 one the best [14:51] not sure why [14:51] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [14:51] compl3x: try blackhole. [14:52] RedrumDog: I love flux's transparency stuff too. Flux is just awesome [14:52] i'd rather something be at least as functional as windows wm [14:52] Action: thrice` is with Camarade_Tux [14:52] firebird619, not bad. im liking ash tho [14:52] win95 explorer /window manager [14:53] compl3x: yes, ash is very nice. [14:53] rest is just a bonus [14:53] all, http://omploader.org/vMW56Yg <- actual desk 1 [14:53] or bloat [14:53] might have to write a random style script if there isnt one [14:53] compl3x: I don't like black background in the terminals, but I like dark themes, like ash, blackhole, etc. [14:53] firebird619, yeah same here [= [14:54] firebird619, how sakura? [14:54] compl3x: sakura is very, very, nice. I have it fullscreen and transparent. :)] [14:54] my friend used twm for a while [14:54] Camarade_Tux: good grief. [14:54] firebird619, nice .. easy config? [14:54] compl3x: very [14:55] Camarade_Tux: That's your desktop? [14:55] eviljames, yeah, desktop 1 (out of 4 usually), the lower-left term is usually not there [14:55] eviljames: and you said I was a minimalist bastard just for using flux. What do you think of his desktop? :P [14:55] firebird619, nice might give it a bash < -- get it ;);) [14:55] Camarade_Tux: I hate your desktop. [14:55] compl3x: haha, yeah. I use zsh. [14:55] zsh ftw [14:56] btw, you should see it when I have nine gvims or xterms opened with ocaml code :) [14:56] eviljames, thanks :) [14:56] I don't want to see it under those circumstances [14:56] I'd stab my eyes out. [14:56] Wait, scratch that s/my/your/ [14:56] eviljames: zsh is awesome, except for that theme issue. [14:56] That theme issue I'm certain has to do with unicode. [14:56] eviljames, have a look at http://pers.yaxm.org/screenshots , it should fit you better ;) [14:56] i don't think he cares to much bout what you think his windows manger looks like [14:57] and #zsh is seemingly dead to the world most of the time. [14:57] toastytoast: WHAT?! SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET DOESN'T CARE WHAT MY OPINION IS? BLASPHEMY!! [14:57] i know right? [14:57] how can I verify the the logins for the last 3 days [14:57] it's crazy [14:57] Camarade_Tux: why not just drop x why don't ya. :P [14:57] last only shows me 3 log in attempts [14:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:57] look at you /var/logs/security? [14:58] ok [14:58] The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. [14:58] no such file [14:58] firebird619, because the graphic card drivers aren't loaded and the computer heats more and uses more battery power :) [14:58] vim /var/log/secure [14:58] (I'm sure you didn't expect an answer like that ;) ) [14:59] nothing there [14:59] Camarade_Tux: haha [14:59] you need to be root or sudo it [14:59] bijit (n=benji@190.10.122.14) joined ##slackware. [14:59] you might also wanna look at secure.1 secure.2 secure.3 secure.4 [14:59] in /var/log/ [15:00] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.146.163) joined ##slackware. [15:00] I am having problem setting up a slack as gateway and vlan dhcp server... [15:00] if you have those anyway [15:00] I get the dhcp serve right..but can't figure out how to send the vlan traffic to the main ip. [15:00] that i do not know but lets see what google can find shall we bbiab [15:01] eviljames, found Miss Rose in my screenshots ? =) [15:02] Camarade_Tux: Just looking right now... I'd better not find Miss Swan in there... [15:03] I'm guessing 3-9-7 is the one you're referring to heh [15:04] Camarade_Tux: and I like the kde3 ones better than the rest :D [15:04] Well, ouech3.png is nice [15:05] Seeing build flags like this: -DWNCK_I_KNOW_THIS_IS_UNSTABLE [15:05] that does not inspire confidence. [15:05] because the other ones are windows ones ? ;) [15:05] this might help i'mnot sure tho http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-12.2-and-vlans-717962/ [15:05] (note they have a shell that is not explorer.exe ;) [15:05] ) [15:05] for bijit [15:06] as for the kde one, it was hurting my eyes unfortunately =/ [15:06] you can run fluxbox with xfce4 im sure [15:06] get the panels and filemanager and such [15:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:06] need to go now, beer to drink and computer games to play =) [15:06] jeev3 (n=email@24-180-16-19.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:06] later Camarade_Tux :) [15:07] unfortunately we won't have girls stripping =/ [15:07] haha [15:07] buy Camarade_Tux [15:07] Lame. [15:07] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.214.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:07] What kind of party doesn't have strippers? [15:07] Gay one. [15:07] Ahh, that's right, a sausage party. [15:07] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:07] Nick change: jeev3 -> jeev [15:07] gay parties probably have a lot of strippers [15:07] eviljames, that's only because we don't have the pole (the 2m one, not the other one...) [15:07] Thanks compl3x for the clarification. [15:07] and cocaine [15:07] eviljames, *nods* [15:08] RedrumDog: you might be right... those guys have all the fun :/ [15:08] rofl [15:08] s/guys/gays/ [15:08] and the sex-shop next door (I mean _really_ next door) is closed now =/ [15:08] oh this is way off topic btw but you know an advatae to useing older cases [15:08] urr -have fun? [15:08] Camarade_Tux: That's unfortunate. Where will you find an inflatable water buffalo now? [15:08] eviljames, he, _that_, I have already ;p [15:08] the badgers feel the best...trust me [15:08] toastytoast: We're pretty well way off topic at present. Please do tell. [15:08] currently riding it :) [15:08] lol @ compl3x accidentally being sexist [15:08] they are heavy enough empty i don't think any one wants to run off with it full of studd [15:09] (that's why I type a bit slow today) [15:09] Action: Camarade_Tux afk ;p [15:09] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:09] toastytoast: hahah true. [15:09] ur full of studd [15:09] Jean (n=jean@93-36-227-221.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:10] re-reading it [15:10] That becomes a HUGE typo [15:10] hye any of you know wht type of paint i should use if i want to paint my old cases? [15:10] because maybe he was referring to the inflatable water buffalo being "full of studd" [15:10] thats steed [15:10] toastytoast: for the plastics, use vinyl dye. not paint. [15:10] eviljames: I asked in #zsh and I got the response of, you should report that to one of the mailing lists. :) [15:10] for the metals, uh, any paint that is good for metal i guess. [15:10] the hardware store should know [15:11] ok so vinyle dye for the fronts but what bout the metal outside? [15:11] AzalynX: That's a good tip, I'm going to write it down [15:11] get the textured paint [15:11] rustoleum textured [15:11] toastytoast: krylon is ghetto. if you have a steel case and want to do it right you get it powder coated [15:11] oh cases with plastic...f-me, vinyl [15:11] by the way, vinyl dye emits toxic fumes, you have to have a mask, and do it outdoors. heh [15:12] yes vinyl dye [15:12] um ok i'll have my friend do it [15:12] some friend [15:13] not sure whihc friend will do it but i'm sure i can fond one that will [15:13] try an enemy [15:13] it basically softens the plastic, and the dye seeps in. so you can use it on cd-rom drive bezels too, and the buttons and everything will work just fine. [15:13] eviljames: #zsh said could be something with the multibyte encoded character. [15:13] firebird619: ahh, that's pretty likely. [15:13] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:14] you have to do it in spurts, like one pass, like a mist, then wait five minutes, then another pass. etc. until it's all covered. if you do it all in one shot without the pauses, the plastic will get all warped [15:14] eviljames: He said also include output from locale on the mailing list. [15:14] firebird619: Like I said it works well in osol, which has sorted out all this stuff. [15:14] eviljames: yeah, too bad it's not working in slack without some fix. [15:14] like that one episode of startrek voyager with the liquid memetic clones or whatever. where the ship was all melting apart. [15:14] firebird619: According to what I've been hearing lately, they claim that 32/64bit "nonsense" was sorted out "a decade ago"... [15:15] firebird619: Which is unrelated to zsh [15:15] firebird619: but it's an example of why they believe their os to be so far ahead of the pack. (everyone believes their os is great for xyz reason, right?) [15:16] heh, yeah. [15:16] http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/modding/46 ? [15:16] rg31 (n=deckard@62.32.133.64) joined ##slackware. [15:16] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-65-95.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:19] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [15:19] looks like this is gonna be fun [15:21] firebird619, where can i configure sakura? :p [15:22] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: "changing servers" [15:22] compl3x: If you got it installed. right click and look at the options, etc. [15:22] firebird619, yeah I have - but was wondering how you removed your titlebar in your screenshot [15:22] eviljames: who claims they had the 32/64bit nonsense sorted out a decade ago? [15:23] pi31415: Sun. [15:23] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] compl3x: Oh, sorry, that isn't sakura, that's eterm. [15:23] firebird619, ah right - i also run eterm.. how have you done it? :p [15:24] compl3x: Eterm --borderless --buttonbar 0 --trans --scrollbar false & [15:24] eviljames: netbsd had decent 64bit support in 2000 [15:24] firebird619, cheers buddy [= [15:25] compl3x: With that eterm command, you can change it too and make the text red, etc. [15:25] i should alo get a slackware case badge [15:25] i have a slackware background [15:25] pi31415: There is no distinction between a 32bit or a 64bit NetBSD system? [15:25] firebird619, ah nice [= [15:25] firebird619, you say you use zsh.. any good from opinion? [15:25] eviljames: I am not sure what you mean by that question [15:26] toastytoast: here's the kinds of results you can expect on the plastics: http://case-mods.linear1.org/im-high-on-vinyl-dye/ [15:26] compl3x: very good imo. eviljames' has been using it far longer then me, he mentioned it one day and I switched to it, I had forgotten about it. [15:26] Action: VampirePenguin does the happy pengy dance........ my skype is working now...... [15:26] pi31415: Well, there is a single iso, and afaik a single kernel for 32 and/or 64bit on SunOS. Is this true for NetBSD? (it could also be false for Solaris and I just mis-read) [15:27] No, by default netbsd only supports a single architecture per install media. [15:27] indeed. [15:27] or per kernel binary [15:27] supporting multi-archs on one install medium is just silly [15:27] not my bg but heres a cool one [15:27] YerbaMate (n=YerbaMat@abno22.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:27] that looks very nice [15:27] http://technology.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/8191/ [15:28] http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5323/bessesntialbeingdesktop.jpg [15:28] eviljames: Well, I'll subscribe to zsh's mailing list and make a post, I'll keep you posted. :) [15:29] is the only way to change to zsh in /etc/passwd? [15:29] so vinyl dye the front and poweder coat the steel shell? [15:29] compl3x: use chsh [15:29] chsh -s /bin/zsh [15:29] aight cheers thrice` [15:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:29] :) [15:30] watch your symlink of /bin/sh > /bin/bash [15:30] Shingoshi: very nice. What is one the left, gkrellm? [15:30] if its there [15:30] okay [15:30] toastytoast: like i said, for the steel, i'm not sure. but it seems that it's probably easy to find a paint that's good on metal. heh [15:30] hello [15:30] firebird619: k, let me know. i'll wager money that it has to do with a) LANG/LOCALE from /etc/profile (or .bashrc) or b) Locale settings in our terminal programs [15:31] firebird619: Yes! Gkrellm. [15:31] i want to put soemthing liekt he slackware lilo screen on the sides [15:31] my friend says to make it look like an old NES [15:31] which would still be cool [15:31] eviljames: haha, I got mail back from subscribe, I was blocked by SpamAssasin. [15:32] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201-95-72-69.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Shingoshi: Ok, very nice desktop. [15:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:32] ty! [15:33] here [15:33] eviljames: hahaha, I fixed it. I was blocked because of the signature I have in my e-mails. :P [15:33] i had to upload it [15:33] there [15:33] http://i39.tinypic.com/2djdy68.png [15:33] firebird619: You must be a decepticon, become an autobot and SpamAsssassin will let you through [15:33] got fluxbox code in it lolll [15:33] firebird619: I decided I better get a before pic, before I change my heatsink and fan today. [15:33] err blackbox [15:33] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.146.163) left irc: Connection timed out [15:34] firebird619: I wanted to be able to compare my temps, and post the pics on overclocking sites. [15:34] Shingoshi: yeah, good idea. :) [15:34] or you are Shia Lebeouf, in which case kill yourself and SpamAssassin will let you through [15:34] i have a fan in a new pc i built [15:34] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:34] god I hate that "actor" [15:34] which makes this noise [15:34] man it's annoying [15:35] silly question - how can I tell what shell im using? [15:35] maybe open it and see if there's something touching the fan when it's running? [15:35] compl3x: echo $SHELL [15:35] hmm eterms still using bash [15:35] compl3x: you may have to log out and back in. [15:36] okay ill give it a go [15:36] brb [15:36] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [15:36] i think it's a psu fan. might need to be lubed or something [15:36] I want to reduce the boot time of Slackware. So, can I safely add to crontab things like "Updating shared library links", "Updating X font indexes", "Updating MIME database", "Updating icon-theme.cache"... and remove from /etc/rc.d ? [15:36] AzalynX: take it apart, throw out old fan, put in new fan. Total cost $5 [15:36] AzalynX: lubing works, but might as well upgrade. [15:37] firebird619: This is my heatsink. It's bigger than it looks! http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3489/thermalrightaxp140img34.jpg [15:37] YerbaMate: Alternatively you could try putting & at the end of some of those commands, though the results could be slightly unexpected. I would strongly advise against doing so for "updating shared library links" [15:38] Shingoshi: wow, nice. :) That's the one you're going to replace the old one with? [15:38] i think the bad one might be in the PSU. :| [15:38] AzalynX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139003&Tpk=vx450 replace with this. [15:39] AzalynX: So much bang for your buck! [15:39] i have plenty of fans. i have more spare hardware than i can count just sitting around doing nothing. that isn't the point. [15:39] i just think it's a waste. [15:39] when it can just be lubed. [15:40] eviljames: so, "updating shared library links" must be in /etc/rc.d ? [15:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:40] i also have plenty of spare PSUs. [15:40] what i wanna do wiht the gateway2000 case is build an am3 machine 12gb ram 6 1tb hdd [15:40] like i said, not the issue. [15:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:40] although i was planning to switch the PSU anyways, since 450 watts is a bit much for that machine, doesn't pull anywhere close to that much power. [15:40] eviljames: but what about the rest? [15:40] and never will [15:40] YerbaMate: actually, scratch that. It looks like that one is already moved to background in my rc.M [15:41] YerbaMate: check /etc/rc.d/rc.M to see if /sbin/ldconfig has an & afterwards [15:41] firebird619: Yes! I absolutely needed a downdraft heatsink. My board gets too warm for my comfort. [15:42] Shingoshi: yeah, don't want it to overheat. :) [15:42] YerbaMate: As for the rest, putting them into a cron job might make them run more times than necessary. [15:42] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [15:42] eviljames: yes. it have, but adding "&" does not help much [15:42] YerbaMate: It puts the process in background and moves on to the next task. Ensure rc.pcmcia is -x (unless you use pcmcia) [15:42] eviljames: just other scripts runs more slowly [15:42] I found out that the Lancelot KDE plamoid was overheating my system. I shut it down, and my temps dropped 10C. [15:42] firebird619, cheers for the help [= [15:43] compl3x: i like your hostname ;) [15:43] so basic. [15:43] It has a known bug [15:43] acidchild, what is it? [15:43] eviljames: i know about it. very thanks for help ;-) [15:43] (15:39) -!- compl3x [n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa] [15:43] Guest83194 (n=sidmario@201-92-128-21.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Success [15:43] YerbaMate: ldconfig -a should run relatively fast if there are no changes (iirc..) [15:43] acidchild, what do you like about it ? [15:43] thanks [15:43] firebird619: I'm like a boy on Christmas, waiting for my presents to arrive! [15:44] YerbaMate: How fast are you booting at present? Have you used bootchart to try and sort out what are the slow points? [15:44] compl3x: oh, its just simple. [15:44] wow Macau has 100% urban population and longest life expectancy [15:44] acidchild, just like you ;) [15:44] Shingoshi: haha, I'm like that too when I order something. :) [15:44] yo acidchild. How goes it? [15:44] compl3x: people dont really set the PTR to the same as the ARPA [15:45] good thanks. [15:45] firebird619: It's been almost a week of waitning! [15:45] Damn waitning [15:45] acidchild, ah right - i no nothing of hostnames :p [15:45] haha [15:45] eviljames: now about 20 seconds (runlevel 3 ofc). i'll try bootchart in future ;-) [15:45] waiting! [15:46] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:46] Shingoshi: wow, a week. [15:46] YerbaMate: I found that bootchart was really handy in slimming down the boot time, but there is a theoretical limit to how fast it can start up :D [15:46] waitning? That's if you eat too much of whatever you like to eat the most! [15:46] Shingoshi: Did you get a tracking number so you at least know where it's at? [15:47] eviljames: Have you trimmed it down at all? I'm still at 28 seconds. [15:47] firebird619: Yeah. I found only one location online that had both the heatsink and fan in stock. [15:47] AzalynX: I'm reading up on vinyl dye, it seems to say that you can do so with acrylics as well. Ever tried? [15:47] It's to be delivered today! [15:47] Shingoshi: YAY [15:47] YAY for real!! [15:48] In route to my home now! On the truck. [15:49] eviljames: http://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2009/msg00486.html [15:49] eviljames: yes, but i can do a symlink from /sbin/init to /bin/bash and check how long starting the same kernel [15:49] oh look, Shingoshi isn't going to get his package today..or ever http://thinkorthwim.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/ups_vs_fedex.jpg [15:50] bijit (n=benji@190.10.122.14) left irc: "leaving" [15:50] antiwire: haha, I guess not. [15:50] Funny! [15:50] Shingoshi: maybe tomorrow. :) If the package isn't smashed. [15:50] I hope not!! [15:51] lol [15:51] YerbaMate: as opposed to bootchart, which provides you with a nice little graph and showing you latencies? [15:51] The deck of that heatsink is over 5.5" square. Closer in fact to 5.75" [15:52] eviljames: I think not :) [15:52] I've got a 140mm fan to go with it. Scythe Kaze Maru. [15:52] acidchild: something going on with spy? [15:52] OMG!! It's HUGE!! [15:53] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:53] I could just hear a woman saying, "What do you expect me to do with that thing!! [15:53] firebird619: ^^ [15:53] hahaha [15:54] I worked at a place that shipped thousands of units per day and one time I get a call from someone who lived down the street from the warehouse. They said they had one of our packages and they wanted me to come and get it. I checked the tracking info and 4 out of 5 packages had status so I called UPS and asked them why #5 was MIA. They said they didn't know so I told them I knew why "I found my #5 package in the middle of the street because y [15:54] lol [15:54] "ldconfig -a" isn't working [15:55] YerbaMate: /sbin/ldconfig [15:55] YerbaMate: maybe becuase ldconfig doesn't have a -a option? [15:55] eviljames: yes, dont have :P [15:55] ... [15:55] uh [15:55] you don't have /sbin/ldconfig (forget -a I was drunk at the time) [15:55] Action: eviljames blames his bad advice on drunknness from now on [15:56] ha [15:56] :D [15:57] firebird619: It's a shame a fan this large a mouth, can't give blow jobs! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185080 [15:57] UnionPivo (n=union@clj8-137.dial-up.arnes.si) joined ##slackware. [15:57] I just can't help but ask [15:58] Why the hell would you want a blowjob from a fan? [15:58] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.121.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:58] It's a joke! [15:58] hahaha [15:58] fan = groupie? or ... a electrical device? [15:58] don't get it caught in the blades. OUCH. [15:58] acidchild: Must have been my groupies, because I almost immediately said 'both' [15:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvaCV6uQp8&NR=1 [15:58] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]" [15:58] ^^ rofl [15:58] that was so meta i didn't even get it [15:58] Shut up!! [15:58] also, don't catch the herpies. OUCH. [15:58] LOL [15:59] eviljames: the fan will scrape the crust off [15:59] jesus [15:59] hahaha [15:59] acidchild: Those are scabs.. it's nice when they do that, makes for better lube. [15:59] hey dive^ [15:59] I'm trying to eat here [15:59] hi [15:59] dive^: It's only going downhill from here. [15:59] oh yeah, it sure is. [16:00] Troken (i=Troken@dynamic-78-8-86-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:00] eviljames: You may know how, etc. but this is a nice short page for prompt styling in zsh: http://lucentbeing.com/prompt-styling-in-zsh/ [16:01] firebird619: *bookmarked* thanks! [16:01] from what i found for the steel scrub it down with steel wool spray on primer when the primer drys spray on a color coat wait for that to dry then spray on a second coa [16:01] eviljames: yw [16:01] eviljames: ew [16:01] hello [16:01] "this isn't seaworld it's as real as it gets" [16:01] lmao [16:01] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html [16:01] I'm sorry. It's all my fault. I started it. [16:02] Shingoshi: You sure did. What were you thinking. :P [16:02] RedrumDog: That page better rank me as the #1 vomit inducer in ##slackware [16:02] how to realize matrix in java ? [16:02] Java SE [16:02] Troken: No one can be told what The Matrix is... [16:02] Troken: there is no jar [16:02] Take the red pill [16:02] Action: Shingoshi dreams of an automated woman with a big mouth!! [16:02] hahaha [16:02] Is there ever a day here without a matrix convo? :p [16:02] compl3x: not many without one. :P [16:03] :p [16:03] Shingoshi: Robowoman? [16:03] eviljames> yeap [16:03] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:03] YAY!! [16:03] there is no spoon... there is no #slackware.. [16:03] there is no sanity. [16:03] dive^: That's right, but there IS a ##slackware [16:03] shhh [16:03] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201-95-72-69.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] 10,118,218 views [16:04] and i was thinking fr the front of the case get it black then do a slackware penguin above the gateway2000 logo [16:04] DAMN [16:04] :| [16:04] Poor Troken, came here to ask a reasonable question and gets nothing but nonsense in reply. [16:04] Are any of you besides me overclocking their computers?? [16:04] no, because overclocking indicates a lack of a life. [16:04] =P [16:04] i've overclocked my video card [16:05] Shingoshi: my dell won't allow overclocking, they disabled it in BIOS. I have overclocked the video card in the past though. [16:05] a few time to play nexuiz with everything maxd [16:05] i just buy the proper cpu and then i don't need to worry about breaking it [16:05] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] merp (n=merp@135.sub-75-216-46.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] antiwire: +1 [16:05] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [16:05] antiwire: indeed :P [16:05] but my video card can handle nexuiz somewhere between high and ultra [16:06] firebird619: That's why I only build my computers! I don't want someone else telling me what I can't do. [16:06] firebird619: flash the bios [16:06] Shingoshi: what about what you should or shouldn't do? [16:06] Shingoshi: Yeah, but I won this pc in a sweepstakes, I won't complain to much. I wonder if my acer allows it. [16:06] antiwire: I was referring to Dell. [16:06] eviljames: with what? [16:06] Dell hasn't updated since 2004 [16:06] Building vs. Buying computers. [16:07] Shingoshi: interesting, can your system bios or backplane be updated from within linux? because dell systems support that [16:07] can you do that? [16:07] Shingoshi: I would like to build my own one day. I think I would enjoy doing that. [16:07] YerbaMate (n=YerbaMat@abno22.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Operation timed out [16:07] It's easy to do, and you could easily handle it. [16:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:07] building your own computers is overrated [16:08] eviljames: Are you talking some unoffical firmware or something? :P [16:08] Action: compl3x has always built his own pc's - and loves most of it [16:08] it's cheaper than buyong one already built [16:08] Hey ananke. How are you? [16:08] firebird619: I have a liquid-cooled FOUR-SOCKET server!! [16:08] :O [16:08] however i hate mounting cpu fans and applyign thermal paste -speciall arctic silver [16:08] firebird619 : just finished unloading a truck load of mulch [16:08] toastytoast: you think you can build a comparable system cheaper than I can do buy one from dell? [16:08] Shingoshi: and a very small penis? [16:08] ;/ [16:08] do/go [16:08] yes i do [16:08] specially since its a dell [16:09] 'specially since its a dell'? that's so wrong on many levels [16:09] lol [16:09] no dells are cheap there for when you buy cheap thing you cheap shit [16:09] firebird619: This is my computer. http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=6058167&postcount=1692 [16:10] toastytoast: i don't think you know what you're talking about [16:10] with all due respect [16:10] toastytoast : good god. please, for the love of god, learn how to punctuate. it will do you a lot of good [16:10] Shingoshi: nice. [16:10] ananke: lol [16:10] i think i do [16:10] "In addition, I met with several CIA and Intelligence Community (IC) managers, DI technical security staffs, and program managers at In-Q-Tel, the CIA?s experiment in venture capital and commercial information technology." they begat faeccrook! [16:10] and punctuation is over rated [16:10] i was thinking of buying a new computer. [16:11] firebird619: Yeah. I felt very proud of myself. That was my very first LC build! [16:11] atleast a new case anyways heh [16:11] toastytoast : 'overrated' [16:11] and non-punctuation is HARD to READ. [16:11] i don't care [16:11] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.224.123) left irc: "penis" [16:11] toastytoast : yes, you've made it clear already [16:11] I do, I have to read what you wrote. :P [16:11] jeez dont go searching on cia.gov be there for hours lol [16:12] well I'm sorry [16:12] RedrumDog: You know they have all your information now, where you live, etc. even what clothes you're wearing right now. :P They've hacked you. :P [16:12] frullet: https://cx1.cray.com/ConfigureBOM.aspx?opt=234&state=165 [16:12] firebird619* ^ [16:12] acidchild: tab completion fail? :P [16:12] firebird619> and i them [16:12] just the type of person i am i supose we all have to live in the same world nobody is going to be perfect so just go with the flow [16:13] firebird619: :) [16:13] RedrumDog: That world fact book is interesting but I always have to keep myself tempered by chanting "propaganda propaganda". ;) [16:13] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.36.137) joined ##slackware. [16:13] acidchild: very nice. [16:13] Troken (i=Troken@dynamic-78-8-86-101.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [16:13] RedrumDog: that rank order table you posted is hilarious [16:13] think it would make a nice desktop? [16:13] rofl [16:13] or really only has a use as a server [16:13] if i offend in any way i apologize [16:13] acidchild: haha, sure why not a desktop. [16:14] toastytoast: guilt trips don't work on jedis [16:14] firebird619: looking at getting something made up by HP [16:14] acidchild: cool [16:14] Action: eviljames likes hp [16:14] firebird619: with 256GB of ram, their 3ed generation servers [16:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] :O [16:14] Action: eviljames likes 256GB of ram [16:14] no i'm serios [16:15] for virtual server related stuff [16:15] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-71-248-64-168.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] eh [16:15] i offend some ppl more often then others it isn't really on purpose [16:15] Dominian: for Plex. [16:15] Dominian: not us ;) [16:15] it just is [16:15] no.. I was "ehing' at 256GB of ram [16:15] that's nearly not enough ;) [16:15] it was something like that, i never saw the spec sheets.. [16:15] maybe more then [16:16] they where talking about 500 clients.. [16:16] needs like 1TB of RAM i guess [16:16] holy shit lol [16:16] wow [16:17] acidchild: I could run the mailserver in ram on something like that [16:17] lol [16:17] its for oursourcing IT departments.. [16:17] out* [16:17] Action: Dominian nods. [16:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:17] firebird619: My board will take 128GBs with 8GB DIMMs. [16:17] The CIA had to offer Silicon Valley something of value, a business model that the Valley understood; a model that provides those who joined hands with In-Q-Tel the opportunity to commercialize their innovations. [16:17] Hi all. I was on the emacs channel and they had no advice, so I came here. I want to find a way to load "color-theme" in emacs without it taking forever, byte compiling hasn't helped ... oh I use SW12.2 [16:17] I know what you're talkinga bout.. its what you were telling me about a few months ago [16:17] Not that I could afford it. [16:17] firebird619, could i possibly borrow your conky config please? [16:17] Shingoshi: wow. [16:17] Dominian: nar that box was bs [16:17] the one they made up [16:17] compl3x: Well, seeing as how you asked nicely. [16:17] like 8GB of ram... quad core cpu thing. [16:17] In-Q-Tel?s founder, Norm Augustine, established it as an independent nonprofit corporation. quoting the cia [16:18] rofl this is rich [16:18] firebird619, thankyou [= [16:18] compl3x: just a sec. It's a combination of 4-5 conkyrc's and scripts. [16:18] firebird619: 16 slots @ 4/cpu [16:18] Dominian: HP will make pretty good deals, payment installment arragements for large buyers. [16:20] firebird619: This would be a good buy, if you could find a case for it. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151085 [16:20] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [16:20] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) left irc: Client Quit [16:20] Shingoshi: hahaha [16:20] thats awesome [16:20] i'd just build a case. [16:21] I think I know of a case for it though. [16:21] 1U? [16:21] That board used to cost over $1000 [16:22] Shingoshi: wow, very nice. [16:22] No. It's an eight processor board. They have a daugtherboard for it. Adds another four processors. [16:22] >.> [16:22] acidchild: yeah I know [16:22] i want a sparc server [16:22] tyan makes nice boards [16:22] that's a nice board... [16:23] sparcs are nice [16:23] god, how much i hate home made 'servers' :) [16:23] Dude [16:23] I turned my iPod in to a server [16:23] oh my god lol, [16:23] it runs DNS, Apache HTTP.. [16:23] i'll sell you a V120 with 2x73GB an extra cold spare 73GB disk [16:23] SSH [16:23] it has debian on it right now [16:23] And it fits in my pocket [16:23] Eat it [16:24] firebird619: I think this is Tyans best board yet! http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=631 [16:24] 60USD and you pay shipping [16:24] this is it http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v120/ [16:24] Shingoshi: You'd be wrong. It's an Opteron board. [16:24] compl3x: btw, this is the one I used: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=422795#p422795 The last one on that page. [16:25] antiwire: How much? [16:25] cheers firebird619[= [16:25] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] antiwire: Wait, really? [16:25] eviljames: 60USD bucks you pay shipping [16:25] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-71-248-64-168.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: "[BX] That's Miss BitchX to you" [16:25] it's fully working. i installed debian onto it via pxe [16:25] how much is shipping tho? [16:26] dunno look at the spec sheet there [16:26] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:26] it's ~20LBS [16:26] 1U [16:26] compl3x: There's different colors to choose from. Basically that's all I used except changing in each one the font and the directory of the scripts. [16:26] and adding the calendar. [16:26] firebird619, cool [16:27] eviljames: Think Istanbul!! 6-cores of heavenly happiness! [16:27] antiwire: I think I'll take it. Friday via Paypal ? [16:27] eviljames: sure, i'll get a shipping price for you tomorrow [16:27] compl3x: Here's my calendar one. .conkyrc_calendar. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13665 [16:27] cheers firebird619 [= [16:27] antiwire: thx dude. check pm [16:27] k [16:28] has anybody had problems starting Akonadi after a clean install of KDE 4.2.3? [16:28] kde reports that Akonadi is not registered at dbus [16:28] but dbus is running [16:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:29] inahurry: I used to have problems with it on KDE-4.2.2. But that's because I built my own mysql-5.1.30 [16:29] couldn't be more han $50 i would think for standard shipping [16:29] I didn't touch mysql, just finished upgrading to -current [16:30] umm wait [16:30] compl3x: You need this also, you make it a script and that's how you start conky so it starts all the individual conkyrc files. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13666 [16:30] is it possible that I need to run mysql_install_db ? [16:30] firebird619, cheers again [= [16:30] compl3x: :) [16:30] i would but right now i have likr $50 my friend might tho [16:30] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [16:31] or are the mysql tables created already [16:32] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:32] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429003.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[16:48] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: [16:48] ok [16:48] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0EDA5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [16:48] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] Are any of you running Gnome SlackBuild, GSB? [16:49] not I. :) [16:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:49] don't walk like an egyptian [16:50] They have a big update. First time in months. Now up to gnome-2.26 [16:50] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:50] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Hey guys, [16:51] Anyone here know whether online, for domains, if the two required nameservers must have different IPs? :P [16:51] it would help [16:51] dyndns.com requires that [16:51] I only have one IP :( [16:52] and I only have one server anyway, [16:52] :/ I dont want to pay lots of money for another IP :( [16:55] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] slackware is the best! [16:56] It is indeed. [16:56] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7B36.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] CONKY- DIE! [16:58] why must you taunt me [16:58] Yea. gkrellm - live! [16:58] conky is cool, but i don't really have my desktop showing >.> [16:58] Necos: Same but i still want some info showing :p [17:00] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-168.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] firebird619, you know that minimalist screenshot you found the other day with one strip of conky at the top - did they have a rc file for that [17:02] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] I don't think they did at all. [17:04] compl3x: Do you have the link for it still? [17:04] firebird619, no i dont :/ [17:05] compl3x: Also, there's plenty of conky setups like that on http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=39906&p=1 and on Ubuntu forums also. [17:05] I can picture in my head the one you mean, I just don't think I have the link. :P [17:05] cheers firebird - man running twinview sucks.... i choose bottom_left and its in the middle of my first monitor :/ [17:05] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] The central belief in the Church is the pursuit of Slack, which generally stands for the sense of freedom, independence, and original thinking that comes when you achieve your personal goals. [17:06] compl3x: haha, that's to bad. [17:06] The Church states that we are all born with Original Slack, but that Slack has been stolen from us by a worldwide conspiracy of normal people, or "pinks". [17:06] ahh, the ol' church of subgenius. [17:06] RedrumDog: One might wonder how many people remember such a thing. [17:06] i think it could clear up a few things if they did [17:06] lack is also about doing nothing and getting what you want anyway. [17:07] *slack [17:07] aka beinga banker [17:07] s/beinga/being a/ [17:08] compl3x: Here's a sort of nice one: http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6010/conky2xi8.jpg [17:09] firebird619, cheers - already seen that one [= [17:09] k [17:09] firebird619, im customizing one of conkys website [= [17:09] compl3x: cool, have fun. [17:09] thats kinda how wolvix does conky [17:09] firebird619, my only problem is when i choose bottom_left - it puts it in the middle of my first monitor :/ [17:09] compl3x: I'm sure there's a way to specify that, I'm not sure though. [17:10] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-6-39.dsl.elltel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] compl3x: also, remember, share the screenshot [17:10] firebird619, okay [17:10] heh: highest mem: firefox 4.12 - x is 1.25 [17:10] thats crazy [17:10] haha [17:11] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] $voffset and $offset maybe? [17:11] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:11] lol [17:11] A psychological study by Festinger, Riecken, and Schachter found that individuals only turned to a cataclysmic world view after they had repeatedly failed to find meaning in mainstream movements. [17:11] I'm also guessing there's a way, like I've seen with some arch ones, to run slackpkg update or something and get a list of the updates. [17:11] toastytoast, ill give it a go [= [17:12] also mady maby changeing your gap [17:12] toastytoast, okay cheers :) [17:12] gap_x and gap_y might work * [17:12] haha gap_x 450 :p [17:13] On one monitor, gap_x 0 gap_y 0 is top left. [17:13] slackware updates just pushed it appears.. about 2 hours ago [17:13] gap_x 0 is about 2 inches in on my monitor :p [17:13] Dominian: 12.2 or -current? [17:13] or both? [17:13] compl3x: haha [17:13] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-86-107.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:13] -current [17:13] Im into the minus numbers - thats working haha [17:14] compl3x: That will possibly be my next feat if I can figure it out, add to conky so it shows slackware updates. :) [17:14] firebird619, oooh nice idea =] [17:14] unless you set it alignment bottom_left or w/e [17:14] Dominian: -current updates are sure churning away. :P [17:14] toastytoast, alignment is set before gap [17:15] compl3x: I've seen it done in arch with pacman, I would assume it can be done with slackpkg [17:15] firebird619, simple script to pull down the latest updates.. [17:15] like i have mine set to align top_right then gap_x 0 and gap_y to 15 [17:15] compl3x: Yeah, at least list what updates are there. When I figure it out, I will share. :) [17:15] firebird619, cool :) [17:17] well you would need some one makeing new .tgz files and have them on a mirror [17:17] then tell slackpkg to pul from that mirror [17:17] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [17:18] compl3x: I shall figure it out, I shall conquer conky. :P [17:18] just diff the changelog [17:18] haha tried placement middle_left - dont know if its valid ... - gap_x -230 and gap_y 70 - man twinview is going to be the death of me [17:18] i'm thinking about what i am currently runing for ftp as a slackware mirror only problem is it would be terribly slow [17:19] like 60KBs max [17:19] dive^: that would work. I know the arch examples I've seen use pacman, but that system works different. [17:19] eviljames: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13667 [17:19] People still use ftp? [17:19] fun fun fun [17:19] So with slack, changelog might be a better option. [17:19] Nick change: dive^ -> dive [17:20] yes i still use ftp and that dell has saved me several times [17:20] hmm im gonna setup irssi again brb guys [17:20] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [17:21] antiwire: I'm stoked, I've been coveting Sun hardware for a while, but never had any motivation to seek it out. Now it falls in my lap! :D [17:21] hehe [17:21] I really like this sakura + F11 [17:21] Timing O_DIRECT cached reads: 316 MB in 2.00 seconds = 157.83 MB/sec [17:21] Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 180 MB in 3.02 seconds = 59.52 MB/sec [17:21] rg31 (n=deckard@62.32.133.64) left irc: "Leaving." [17:21] it's not too bad either [17:21] dive: Would I use something like wget to get the changelog and then diff them or is there another way? [17:21] for it's age i mean [17:21] its** [17:22] firebird619, mv ChangeLog.txt ChangeLog.old; wget ChangeLog.txt; diff ChangeLog.txt ChangeLog.old [17:22] ish [17:23] antiwire: it is having OpenSolaris installed on it immediately upon receipt :D [17:23] I used to use a script that did that and popped up a term with the diff in it [17:23] scott\ (n=scott@82.132.136.194) joined ##slackware. [17:23] eviljames: Yay, osol. :P [17:23] eviljames: i don't know much about Sun gear myself. I figured out enough to build a serial cable for it and install Debian SPARC64 on it. Beyond that I don't know much. It has this LOM console which seems pretty cool but i don't know anything about it beyond what the help command tells me [17:23] dive: ok, thank you. [17:23] ran at 5 am and so I had somethng to read over breakfast [17:23] you only have so many keystrokes in life use them wisely [17:24] dive: nothing like cereal and a changelog to start the day. :P [17:24] dunno about cereal [17:24] bosse_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-214.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] s/cereal/your_breakfast_choice_here/ [17:24] prefer bacon, eggs, toast.. [17:25] Mmmmm, that sounds good. [17:25] damn stop, you're makng me hunfry [17:25] so hungry you can't even type [17:25] antiwire: heh, no worries.. I'm not worried about it at all. [17:25] Nick change: bosse_ -> nille_ [17:25] yep [17:25] scott\ (n=scott@82.132.136.194) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] I'm hungry too, dang, that sounds good. [17:25] I like scrambled eggs the best. :) [17:26] i prefer pancakes [17:26] toastytoast: they're good to. [17:26] too [17:26] how about two pancakes with a fried egg in the middle [17:26] Mmmm, pancakes and eggs [17:26] what setting is it in vimrc to make pasted stuff keep it's formating [17:26] once again wasteing keystroks altho technicly i am right now as well to tell you this [17:26] and hi all [17:26] hi nille_ [17:27] ello [17:27] Pig_Pen: That sounds great. [17:27] nille_, it's :set paste, but it doesn't work too well in vimrc [17:27] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [17:27] hi firebird619 toastytoast [17:27] hi pprkut [17:27] nille_, boind ctrl-c to it, cos it loses it's setting and you have to use it repeatedly [17:27] s/boind/bound [17:27] hi nille_ [17:28] bind even [17:28] ok thanks [17:29] dive: Well, I'm gonna try getting that changelog thing working. I'll let you know how it works. [17:29] scott\ (n=scott@82.132.136.194) joined ##slackware. [17:29] sure [17:29] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-214.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:30] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [17:30] and if it functions, I'll share. :) [17:30] caio__ (n=caio@190.244.36.137) joined ##slackware. [17:30] I have a cron jo do it now and use flite to say there's a new changelog [17:31] flite? never heard of it. [17:31] festival lite [17:31] speech prog [17:31] who knows, maybe someone out there's done what I'm trying to do now. [17:31] dive: Oh, festival, I've heard of that before. [17:31] did you google first? [17:32] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:32] nope [17:32] I prefer the learning experience first, then I'll look when I fail. [17:33] quit [17:33] oops haha - not used to irssi [17:33] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] haha [17:34] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:34] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [17:34] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] scott\ (n=scott@82.132.136.194) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:36] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:37] if irssi would build a custom x terminal window to go with it i bet they could add some features like a spell check [17:37] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [17:37] i know i need one sometimes [17:37] that would be a very nice feature to have. [17:38] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:38] who neds spelcheck aneyway? [17:38] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [17:39] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:39] you apparently. :P [17:39] I would rather have 'windows'--even on the console--than spell-checking. [17:39] wat? me fail english? Thats unpossible! [17:39] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [17:39] not that I like windows that are too variable-sized... [17:39] anything is possible. [17:39] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:40] wow that was a pain [17:40] irssi is being stupid ]= [17:41] cathectic (n=cathecti@slamd64/cathectic) joined ##slackware. [17:41] irssi is decent but very bare bones [17:41] there are some perl modules that can be loaded in to it [17:41] Pig_Pen: I like it , but some of the info on their site for configuring contradicts other parts [17:41] there are a lot of perl scripts [17:42] ie: the way you set auto ident - didn't work so had to use a method from another site [17:42] http://scripts.irssi.org/ [17:42] irssi is fast, unobtrusive and simple. A role-model for applications. Who needs more? [17:42] cmk_zzz: fair enough :) [17:42] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:42] wow freedom toaster lets you download slackware [17:42] /set indent ? [17:42] http://www.freedomtoaster.co.za/node/95 [17:42] i like the perl scripts, that way you can get what you want, no kitchen sink bundling :) [17:43] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.36.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/spell.pl Requires Lingua::Ispell and Ispell [17:44] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left ##slackware. [17:44] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:44] ispell isnt a problem, but i think i tried to get lingua working and it was a NoGo [17:45] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.15.10) joined ##slackware. [17:45] How can I remove this annoying blue bar above the input box - ive tried status window off but tis doing nout. [17:45] compl3x: edit the current theme or use a different one [17:46] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-147.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] compl3x: look in ~/.irssi/config [17:46] aight ill give it a shot. [17:46] does anyone know a irc client that has a vi-mode, or at leasts support vi key bindings? [17:46] 'don't edit the config by hand!!!' [17:46] hey firebird619 - where do you launch conky with fluxbox - I used to launch gkrellm and stuff from the init script but took like 10 minutes before they would load .. [17:47] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:48] compl3x: I launch it from ~/.fluxbox/startup [17:48] firebird619: okay [17:48] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [17:49] compl3x: You just put the command in there, i.e. "conky &" should do it. [17:49] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:49] sidmario (n=sidmario@189.111.72.144) joined ##slackware. [17:49] firebird619: yeah thats what I had before- it wasn't init lol - maybe it was gkrellm lagging before [17:49] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest89832 [17:50] Nick change: Guest89832 -> sidmario_ [17:50] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [17:51] compl3x: that could be. :P [17:52] caio__ (n=caio@190.244.36.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:52] dive: It's partly working. :P [17:52] good [17:52] What will the Perl modules do in irssi? Not force you to type /window for every server and channel and have it look funny? [17:53] firebird619: I looked into eterms help and havent found much -have you adjusted your brightness contrast of your eterm windwow - or can it be done via switches? [17:53] d4vidc, there are many perl scripts that do all sorts of things [17:53] d4vidc: they are scripts to do various things. Each one in irssi.org has a description of what it does. [17:53] It is okay for up to about 4 channels, but ig you are onl like 10 then tabs are better. [17:53] not modules btw [17:53] I mean 'if you are on like 10...' [17:53] I have 10 windows [17:53] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "leaving" [17:53] 9 channels + status [17:54] compl3x: I've never adjusted brigthness/contrast, I'm not sure if that can be done. [17:54] advanced window list script is useful [17:54] firebird619: you can do it by the gui - but hmm [17:54] how can you tolerate have 10 windows separated by '---------------- ...'? [17:54] they aren't [17:54] ('having 10 windows') [17:54] they are not all on screen together if that's what you mean [17:55] with a big enough screen :D [17:55] I forgot how you know then in irssi when someone speaks in a channel [17:55] i am using a 26 inch LCD HDTV for a monitor :D [17:55] compl3x: if you can do it via gui, then you should be able to do it from cli starting it. [17:55] Pig_Pen: nice [17:56] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:56] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:56] it seems I had to have them all on screen or keep checking back [17:56] cos the activity list in the status bar shows it - same as adv window list [17:56] Nick change: acidkill_ -> acidkill [17:56] I should switch back then. [17:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:57] Do you use anything like micq, vicq, climm in irssi? [17:57] d4vidc, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/shot.png [17:57] dive: Hmm, looks like it is doing the wget part, just not showing the output of diff. [17:57] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "restarting x woop woop" [17:57] not me - I use finch for icq/msn etc [17:57] wow, orange, and lots of it. [17:58] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:58] dive: Is that your ear? :P [17:58] no its van goghs [17:58] ah, ok. [17:58] I stole it [17:58] and nailed it up [17:58] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:58] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [17:58] nice [17:58] :) [17:59] Are those tabs below the input box? [17:59] you stole an ear?! [17:59] they are screen tabs [17:59] channel tabs are top [17:59] did you bite the ear off? or cut it off? [18:00] I know of finch but i did not read anywhere you can use it in irssi. [18:00] how can anyone bite their own ear off? [18:00] d4vidc, it's not in irssi [18:00] Hmmm, I've never used tabs in irssi, now I gotta figure that out to do, gosh I'm busy. :P [18:00] I run it in another screen tab [18:00] Pig_Pen: He said he took van goghs ear. [18:00] firebird619, grab the advanced window list script from irssi.org [18:00] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:01] hey [18:01] dive's screen shot makes my irssi look so boring. [18:01] ;/ [18:01] dive: sweet, thank you [18:01] Whoa, Cann0n. Long time no see. How's it going? [18:01] hi Cann0n [18:01] long time indeed [18:01] yeah, i know who Vincent Van Gogh is, he is that crazy painter that did Starry Night, and he liked irises [18:01] lol nothing much guys. doing that traveling thing again [18:02] Cann0n: where you off to now? [18:02] i finally met a true love, but she is in the army right now :( [18:02] Cann0n: "You're a travelin man, made alot of stops." :P [18:02] acidchild, Port St. Lucie Florida [18:03] I have only 3 more cites on the list for Florida until there is no more for me to go too [18:03] firebird619: - dont show eviljames :p http://tinypic.com/r/34dosqm/5 [18:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:04] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.121.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] RedrumDog (n=chowabun@c-98-230-190-106.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:04] firebird619: oops link may not work [18:05] No, it isn't working. [18:05] i missed dvorak and slackware so much... i finally made a trip back home to get my laptop [18:05] http://tinypic.com/r/34dosgm/5 [18:06] compl3x: wow, that's really nice. [18:07] firebird619: didn't sc the other monitor - nothing on it , but using a dark background for the moment till i sort out opacity [18:07] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:08] firebird619: you can change it - ie: cyan tint --cmod-red 128 [18:09] firebird619: ie contrast - --cmod "256 298" [18:09] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:09] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:09] cool [18:10] firebird619: - --cmomd 200 [= sets the brightness to 200 [= awesome [18:11] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] grr [18:12] dive: Is advanced window list the name if it, I'm not seeing it. I did find window_switcher, but of course that isn't it. [18:12] http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/jts051686/snapshot2.jpg [18:12] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-65-95.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:12] heh! some moron on craigslist is trying to get 150 bucks out of a used 500 gig sata drive, i wonder if he knows you can get those for just under 100 bucks new [18:12] firebird619, ah I think they changed the name or maybe it's hosted external [18:12] crap i removepkg libgtk and libglib can i install libglib.tgz first then gtk? [18:12] let me look - one sec [18:12] what is window switcher? that sounds cool. [18:12] dive: ok, thanks. [18:12] d4vidc, it switches windows :P [18:13] d4vidc: a irssi script, instead of having to type /window, you just use /ws [18:13] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [18:13] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:13] oh, I guess I have used that. [18:13] haha [18:13] why not /alias that in irssi? [18:13] lol [18:13] Cann0n: that'd be easier. :P [18:13] or make it just /w [18:13] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] yeah lil [18:14] masterx831: did you try installing the libs that way? [18:14] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:14] you can type /win [18:14] compl3x: When you were looking at the arch forums for conky stuff, did you come across one that used pacman to display updates? [18:15] thumbs: yeah, but /w is shorter? [18:15] err s/?/. [18:15] did you checkout my snapshot? [18:15] https://anti.teamidiot.de/static/nei/*/Code/Irssi/adv_windowlist.pl [18:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] that's all I could find [18:15] nix_chix0r!! [18:15] Ok, thanks dive [18:15] firebird619: No sorry [18:15] Floops (n=baihu@2001:470:a073:0:0:0:0:200) joined ##slackware. [18:16] I've just installed the newest nvidia drivers from script for my radeon and I cannot swithc to 1024x768 res, it always switches to 1600x1200 don;t know what to do ......... [18:16] paul424: where does it switch? console or X? [18:16] X env ....... [18:16] next few months gonna be hard as hell.... my woman went in the army. i dont get to see her until next year! :X [18:17] Cann0n: that sucks [18:17] it seems like the other resolutions should be in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but did you check? [18:17] yeah... and i might be getting a job at a gym... oh the temptations! [18:17] Cann0n: haha [18:17] yes I did ......... [18:18] compl3x: I'm close with that updates in conky, it gets the changelog, just doesn't show the diff. [18:18] firebird619: awesome [= lookfoward to testing it [18:19] d4vidc: sorry and not yet i did try installing gtk but it owuldnt let me [18:19] that is really odd... I do not know why it would do that... and it should not depend on whatever mode the console is in [18:19] firebird619, updates display in conky? [18:19] It doesn't give me any errors either, not sure what's going on. [18:19] masterx831: what did it say? [18:19] Cann0n: you better go to the gym and start getting buffed up with a workout or you army girl is going to be wearing the pants in the family :D [18:19] firebird619, there's also http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/wlstat.pl [18:19] somethin something let me try again brb [18:19] Cann0n: yeah [18:19] dive: Ok, thank you. [18:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:20] Cann0n: Has it been done? [18:20] Pig_Pen, lol. i know right! she is black/latin so.... she might cut me if i touch another girl and she find out! [18:20] firebird619, dont think so. using slackpkg right? [18:20] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Cann0n: right now, no. I have it wgetting the changelog and then diffing it. It isn't showing the output of diff though. [18:21] d4vidc: Cannot load module /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-xim.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-xim.so: undefined symbol: g_assertion_message_expr theres more... [18:21] oh thats cool. [18:21] d4vidc: and others here;s my xorg.conf : http://pastebin.com/m7341e07 [18:21] Cann0n: even cooler once it works. :) [18:22] i tried running slackpkg upgrade-all and it didnt catch the 12 updates i got when i just checked my mail [18:22] Cann0n: What's worse, it doesn't give any errors, so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. [18:22] rm way too lazy [18:22] Cann0n: you run slackpkg update first? [18:22] firebird619, pastebin script [18:22] firebird619, lol sucks. yeah i ran that first [18:23] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:23] dive: will do. I have this stuff in a conkyrc file. Would it be better to put it in a script and have conky call it? [18:23] maybe [18:23] I'm sure it's some stupid mistake I've made. [18:24] I did a diff x y > diff-file [18:24] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13671 [18:24] hi, what is the preferred way of installing apache tomcat on slackware-current? [18:24] paul424: did you try linuxquestions.org or linuxforums.org, or could anyone say whether there is also a slackwarequestions site or help Paul? [18:25] dive: I suppose I could do that, > diff-file and then cat diff-file maybe? [18:25] yeah [18:25] brb [18:25] hmm I pararelly google, but maybe someone encountered the same problem here ....... [18:26] I guess if there were a slackwarequestions or slackwareforum it would be listed in the topic. [18:27] d4vidc: a common forum is linuxquestions.org [18:27] d4vidc: at least a lot of slackware regulars help there [18:27] I just mentioned it recently; I help & ask there myself... [18:28] im off - cya firebird619 good luck with the script [= [18:28] later compl3x [18:28] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:28] well, that didn't work. :P [18:28] I guess I'll have it call a script. [18:29] I'm not familiar with preexec - is it sposed to output something? [18:29] d4vidc: oh, yes, sorry [18:29] i hate love. [18:29] http://pastebin.com/d5da634d3 paul424 look at lines 69 thru 75 that might help you [18:30] dive: Not sure. I'm just going by chopp helped me get the calendar in conky working and he used preexec cal. [18:30] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@190.149.49.254) joined ##slackware. [18:30] looking at the X's logs it prints (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1024x768" and at the same time the resolution is 1600x1200 [18:30] hey, what slackpkg repo would find these updates it dont find? [18:30] firebird619, my conky script uses "${alignc}Changelog: ${execi 1 lynx -dump http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.1/ChangeLog.txt | head -1}" [18:30] but that's just the date/time [18:31] np thumbs; it is good to know some regulars here use linuxquestions... I am in the Slackware social group there. [18:31] dive: Ok, thanks. [18:32] I'm gonna try making a script here now and have conky call the script. [18:32] execi 1 = exec at intervals iirc [18:32] don't recall if the 1 is 1 sec or minute though [18:32] ivan__ (n=ivan8013@190.149.49.254) joined ##slackware. [18:33] ivan__ (n=ivan8013@190.149.49.254) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:33] I prefer nntp://comp.os.linux.slackware, but the traffic may still be high... that is good... but high enough I have not managed to answer a question yet. [18:33] firebird619, of course you won't actually see any output from diff unless you change the old changelog so it's different [18:34] dive: I did. :) [18:34] and take out the 'mv' to test [18:34] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:34] dive: I just made a script, and I ran that and it stops after wgetting the changelog, it doesn't even attempt diff. [18:35] weird [18:36] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:36] U-Neeks (n=hell@200.193.251.81) joined ##slackware. [18:37] yeah, very weird. [18:37] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:38] pastebin? [18:38] dive: Oh man, I'm an idiot. [18:38] :P [18:39] dive: How do you specify wget to download to a certain directory? [18:39] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] why? [18:39] just cd into it [18:39] but isn't there an option to do it as well? [18:39] you don't need to tell wget where [18:39] maybe [18:40] I think there is an option, but you can also let it make a folder as the name of the site you download. [18:40] dive: Ok, I think I have it now, gonna try something. [18:41] bosse_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-214.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [18:41] dive: I misread the wget help and was using the -o option, thus all that was in the changelog was the output of wget getting the file. :P [18:41] Nick change: bosse_ -> nille_ [18:41] you should need any options if you cd into the working directory first [18:42] which you should anyway for diff [18:42] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("mIRC"). [18:42] dive: yeah, I will, I just made a mistake. :P [18:42] s/should/shouldn't/ [18:42] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89-180-97-242.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:43] brb [18:43] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [18:44] heh, slackpkgs default mirror is out of date or something.... total suckage [18:44] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:44] grr i can't get the touchpad scroll to work on my fathers laptop dell d630 it won't load synaptics [18:44] http://nille.pastebin.com/m4382b69d [18:45] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:45] PenPerk: ok helped thanks very much [18:45] UnionPivo (n=union@clj8-137.dial-up.arnes.si) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:46] nille_, are you sure its a synaptics mouse? [18:46] nope it won't print name [18:47] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:47] nille_: not even in dmesg? [18:47] i forgot how i got mine working.... try finding firmware for it and trying gsynaptics to edit it. i could paste my xorg to help you out. mines all tweaked up [18:48] dmesg input: PS/2 Generic Mouse as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input5 [18:48] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:48] dive: It's working. I just need to figure out how to change the height of the little window for it. [18:48] i tried like i done with other touchpads but no luck [18:49] but google shows that it works in ubuntu [18:49] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@190.149.49.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:51] PenPerk? is there a PenPerk in here? [18:51] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]" [18:52] heh conky just segfaulted on me when I tried it [18:52] giuppy (n=giuppy@host247-163-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:54] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] greetings and salutations [18:54] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-205-228.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:54] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:55] greets [18:55] dive: haha [18:56] greetings andarius. How are you? [18:56] firebird619: i am well. how are you? [18:56] conkt doesn't like a lot of text [18:57] andarius: very well, thank you. [18:57] maybe root-tail would be better suited [18:57] dive: Do you know how to adjust the height a conky window? [18:57] s/a/of a/ [18:57] minimum_size? [18:58] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7B36.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [18:58] before TEXT [18:58] tried it, no luck [19:00] I'm using minimun_size 200 700 [19:00] I even tried a maximum_height X, but it didn't work. [19:00] and text_buffer_size 8192 stops it segging [19:01] Bobbiee_ (i=popopopo@41.236.13.148) joined ##slackware. [19:03] Oh cool, I didn't know there was an mboxscan to show e-mail messages from an mbox file. [19:07] dive: Ugh, I figured it out. It was minimum_size. That uses two numbers width height. :P [19:07] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [19:07] drijen (n=quassel@pool-71-96-1-8.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [19:07] yea [19:08] Now, the only issue is, it's not showing everything that's changed, it's only showing the first thing. [19:08] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:10] yet if I run cat changes.txt (diff's output) it shows everything. [19:10] from a terminal [19:12] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-214.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:13] razel_ (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:14] firebird619, try changing the text buffer size [19:14] text_buffer_size 8192 [19:15] SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET, it works, it really works. Thanks dive. [19:16] np [19:16] only problem I've got is that it doesn't draw on the screen properly when started from a cron job [19:17] just flickers an empty box [19:19] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:21] bosse_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-214.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [19:22] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] i found an fedora bug so i'm not alone https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473894 [19:26] should have seen the bug i found last week. shit was big! flew into my car while i was driving. bout wrecked [19:30] heh. You know what was the last thing to go through that bug's mind, right? [19:30] lol, the windshield [19:31] alienBOB, rworkman thanks in part to your builds for uvc, gpsca and skype for 686 i know have picture in skype ... ty [19:31] mauahahhaha [19:31] i everybody, i need an advice, i am making my partitions in order to make a server, i wanted to know if it's really necessary to make own partitions for /etc and /usr (knowing that there won't a lack of disk space ) .... i will create partitions for /var and /home [19:31] Cann0n: its asshole... [19:31] thanks in advance [19:31] paissad: /etc can't be a separate partition [19:31] ok, didn't know [19:32] depending on what you're planning to do, it might not be useful to make /home a partition on a server [19:32] / /var /tmp /usr /home is usually the breakdown [19:32] and on a server it helps for many reasons [19:32] if it's a web hosting server with lots of users, it does make sense to have /home be a big partition with each user's stuff stored in /home/user (his home directory) [19:33] Nick change: bosse_ -> nille_ [19:33] Urchlay, yes, i litte web hosting server, not lot of users , but a few .... [19:33] and if you really want to do it good.... get your base with the breakdown above and set up your website in a vm [19:33] dive: double_buffer yes? Suppose to reduce flicker. [19:33] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:34] yeah using that but it's doing wierd things [19:34] like running 100 instances [19:34] dive: oh wow, somethings not right. [19:34] backups ;) [19:34] and when I specify a config file it asks for pass?! [19:34] /tmp and /var as separate partitions is even semi-useful for security purposes (mount them nosuid,nodev and maybe noexec as well) [19:35] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] dive: if you start it without the cron job, does it do the same thing? [19:35] though noexec doesn't really stop people executing stuff (just makes them add an extra step) [19:35] thanks for all [19:35] firebird619, no it's fine out of cron [19:36] Hmm, that's strange. You wouldn't think cron would be doing anything weird. [19:36] almost got it i'am goign to upgrade to kernel 2.6.29. After we save the .config file on make menu, whats the next step? [19:36] masterx831, why r u compiling that kernel? [19:37] masterx831: alienBOB has a guide for building the kernel. You really should read it and learn what to do. [19:37] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding&s%5B%5D=kernel&s%5B%5D=compile [19:37] yeah. first step of compiling a kernel is understanding WHY you need to [19:37] Cann0n: exactly [19:37] yeah, i agree with the previous comments, you better really know what your doing or you will totally bork it up [19:38] as long as you make a NEW entry in lilo.conf instead of replacing, you can't really mess anything up [19:38] but you need to know how to do that too. :) [19:38] exactly [19:38] grr you guys are so complicated [19:38] not really, it's how you learn [19:39] masterx831, them linux isnt for you. better stick with stock [19:39] there are no fail save settings, you can compile and install a kernel and update lilo, but if it was not built right your system wont boot [19:39] s/them/then [19:39] seriously, compiling a kernel is not hard at all. the first time just requires alot of reading [19:39] if you add a lilo entry as thrice` noted it will still boot the original kernel [19:39] thrice`: It's very easy once you've done if a few times. [19:40] were not complicated, were just wanting you to know the caveats and gotchas [19:40] hahah firebird619 I think I recall telling you that not long ago! [19:40] and get the hang of it and what this that and the other thing is for. [19:40] eviljames: Yeah, and look at me now. :P [19:40] no, it's very easy once you get the kernel down, and save it :) [19:40] er, save the config * [19:40] Cann0n: eww... No i want to learn but how can i learn if i dont get the proper instructions, everything i read in google is so old! [19:40] it's not hard, but if you dont know what you need and not need, and dont have the know-how as to why what you picked is good, it's best to read as much as possible or just not attempt it [19:41] masterx831: I just gave you a link, go read it. [19:41] masterx831, you wont get instructions on what you need and not need in the .config [19:41] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: [19:41] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:41] masterx831: that's because the process for 2.6 hasn't changed in 3 years or so ;) [19:41] haha [19:41] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] masterx831: do you have an extra disk partition so you can dual boot another install of slackware? if so then do a second minimal install of slackware to testing things on then when you know for sure it is going to work you can do it to your main working install without worrieing about screwing it up [19:41] teh kernel is a fat ugly thing [19:42] ive probably compiled 200+ kernels in my 10 years experience [19:43] im not telling you to stop what you are doing... just take the tips from the guys who have been around [19:45] you can read the instructions in the slackbook for compiling a new kernel.. although it doesn't discuss any options you may need to toggle inside the kernel. But it discusses all the steps before and after you need to do [19:45] masterx831: just think if we said the opposite, and we sais "sure thing, building kernels is as easy as a walk in the park" then you try it and find your system does not boot, then you would be mad at us [19:45] Pig_Pen, agreed [19:45] also don't overwrite your existing kernel.. so use that as a failsafe [19:45] sure thing, building kernels is as easy as a walk in the park! [19:46] :D [19:46] lol. its one command for me [19:46] i wrote a script that does it all for me... all i gotta do is save and exit xconfig [19:46] masterx841 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] brb [19:48] I've been locked inside your Heart Shaped box, for weeks. I've been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap, I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn black [19:49] Hey! Wait! I got a new complaint [19:49] hey who sings that? [19:49] hes dead jim [19:49] kurt cobain [19:50] why dont you let him handle it KTHX [19:50] *rimshot* [19:50] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Action: ag3ntugly returns to his hole [19:51] Pig_Pen: forever in debt to your priceless advice ? [19:51] what happen? [19:51] my advice? [19:51] ah [19:52] Pig_Pen: thats how the song goes :D [19:52] yeah [19:54] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) joined ##slackware. [19:55] whats you goin' to do, times caught up with you, now you wait your turn, you know theres no return [19:55] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] i'am following alienBOB instruction is this ok? root@darkstar:/usr/src/linux# make oldconfig [19:56] thats a safe place to start [19:56] oldconfig is such a hoe [19:56] firebird619: I GOT MY PACKAGE!! [19:56] building a really nice custom kernel is as much an art as it is a science [19:57] This thing is REALLY HUGE!! [19:57] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:57] Shingoshi: Sweeet. [19:57] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-192-126.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Action: lns40 grabs Shingoshi's package [19:57] that didn't sound good. :P [19:57] The pictures don't really do it justice. [19:58] lol [19:58] picture!? i wanna see! [19:58] lns40: Keep your hands off my package!! [19:58] hahaha [19:58] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.111) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429003.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:59] Pig_Pen: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3489/thermalrightaxp140img34.jpg [19:59] thats for some heavy duty cpu cooling [20:00] 4.75"x5.75" on the cooling deck!! [20:01] I'm hoping to raise my cpu clock higher than it is now. [20:01] 3d games? some super duper compile jobs? [20:01] ah, overcloer! [20:01] overclocker* [20:01] Action: Shingoshi wil shut down soon, and start the rebuild. [20:01] Shingoshi: have fun. :) [20:02] ge0rge007 (n=ge0rge@f69-65.fdsl.aegean.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:02] I will post a pic of my temps without anything changed. [20:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:02] yeah, you need some "before" and "after" stats [20:02] Then I will start raising the clock speeds to see what I can get from this thing. [20:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:03] ge0rge007 (n=ge0rge@f69-65.fdsl.aegean.gr) left ##slackware. [20:03] Look this pic over carefully and see what my current stats are: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5323/bessesntialbeingdesktop.jpg [20:03] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.111) left irc: Client Quit [20:04] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.111) joined ##slackware. [20:04] I hear that if you pee on your CPU it lowers it 10 degrees. [20:04] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.111) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:04] i saved it as Shingoshi-before.jpg, then post another one and i will name it Shingoshi-after.jpg [20:04] Pig_Pen: Ok! [20:04] agentc0re: don't get to close, it may be an electrifying experience. :P [20:04] Action: Shingoshi is gone now. Check in later. [20:05] That's funny! [20:05] agentc0re: just dont try that on an electric fense [20:05] fence [20:05] Action: Shingoshi is gone now. Check in later. [20:05] or has that myth been busted [20:06] Heh, mythbusters busted that one. [20:06] agentc0re: How? [20:06] agentc0re, he did get zapped at close range... [20:06] no the stream isn't fast enough for the current to travel up. [20:07] I sure wouldn't be the one to volunteer for that experiment. [20:07] it is the amps that kill, voltages only thrill :D [20:07] lol [20:07] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [20:07] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2004/06/return_of_mythbusters.html [20:08] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.111) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:08] oh this is interesting. just found that they revisited it and pee'd on a fence instead of the 3rd train rail. [20:08] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.111) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Action: SlackLnx hi all o/ [20:09] had he been well grounded i bet it would have hit him more [20:09] salutations SlackLnx [20:09] :) [20:09] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.99.26) joined ##slackware. [20:10] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:10] andarius, i hate the mythbusters with those 3 new queers [20:11] i dont have a tv so i have no idea what you are refering to [20:11] err... they are old now... but the just dick around all day and you have to wait until the end of the show for any entertainment [20:11] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) joined ##slackware. [20:11] 3 new what? [20:11] on make menuconfig when it says select, there are two choice theres a * and M which one [20:12] people on that show [20:12] masterx841, google it... [20:12] my samba+cups dont let me print in windows... i can add printer but dont print... dont have error..when i send print test page show status spooling and printing but dont print any one help me?? [20:12] masterx841, try xconfig... might be better for the less skilled [20:13] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:13] or make gconfig for the gtk version [20:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:15] yeah... if you dont know what the M means (module), i suggest doing more research... otherwise your kernel will be big... and some cases redundant or too big to work [20:16] beer + wifi hotspot... [20:16] how good is that [20:16] very good [20:17] my battery will last long than my beer too, i'm so set [20:17] longer* [20:18] Cann0n: shiat youre right let me try xconfig lol [20:20] :) [20:20] xconfig is worse man [20:21] it's like an endless clicky clicky game [20:21] menuconfig is as good as it gets [20:21] xconfig is like wack-a-mole [20:22] i keep a good custom .config and just import it when kernel build time comes along [20:24] xdoctor_ (n=avs@201.78.233.147) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] any one??? i think it's problem of owner that is send the print [20:28] SlackLnx: Did you check your logs? [20:29] no samba & no windows here, i am not ignoring you SlackLnx [20:29] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.15.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] i just never used samba so i dont have a clue [20:31] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:34] Unable to get jobs for ipp://localhost/printers//usr/bin/lpq -PHP_C3100 - client-error-not-found [20:34] <--- i have this error [20:35] well that don't sound like the right url [20:35] .../usr/bin/lpq? [20:36] should that be pointing at the device instead /dev/lp0 ? [20:36] I think mine is like ipp://10.0.0.10/LP1 or something [20:36] i'm pushing the bar owner to let me help him setup a captive portal now [20:36] lol [20:36] maybe i can get some free beer [20:37] dive it strange but i dont know... :P [20:37] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] if it is localhost you don't even need ipp:// [20:37] esom (n=enigma@222.172.214.3) joined ##slackware. [20:37] http://pastebin.com/m19857e72 [20:38] just go through add printer and make it local [20:38] my smb.conf [20:38] but to connect from othwr machines you need it [20:38] http://pastebin.com/m1b03a5b8 [20:38] antiwire: you're sitting at a bar, and yammering on IRC? [20:39] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] Urchlay: totally [20:39] boring bar then? [20:39] not just a bar though, a microbrew place [20:39] yeah it's dead [20:39] nice [20:39] but they have good beer [20:39] and freaking wifi [20:40] I know of one bar around here with free wireless, but they haven't really got good beer [20:40] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [20:40] this place brews it on site and they create their own recipes so it rocks [20:40] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left ##slackware. [20:40] this place I'm talking about, the best you can do is a bottle of newcastle [20:41] which ain't undrinkable, but it's overpriced [20:41] eh, not too bad but certainly not micro [20:41] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] yah [20:41] oddly, the food there is really good (better than most bar food, better than some restaurants) [20:41] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:42] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:42] yeah the food here works but not so great. it's like a sick joke trade off. you get rockin beer but the food is soso and down the street the beer sucks but the food is awesome [20:43] weekends, they have live music, but it's generally crappy cover bands [20:43] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:43] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.99.26) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:43] Action: Old_Fogie taps taps his toes and says "there's no beer like home, there's no beer like home" [20:43] Hi Old_Fogie. How are you? [20:43] somehow it ends up being standing-room-only on friday/saturday, even though the bands are never good, and beer is so-so [20:43] firebird619, hidee ho :) [20:44] mr hanky? [20:44] the christmas poo! he loves me "I LOVE YOU!!" [20:46] hope i don't get banned for that one [20:47] well I don't know how well scatology goes down here... [20:47] lol [20:47] always wondered about that word [20:47] or scatophilia [20:47] "scatology" makes it sound like a serious field of study, like psychology or geology [20:47] oh it is [20:47] for some [20:48] i had a girlfriend who was a park ranger and she would take kids on hikes. they would, of course, come across poo on the trails and she would have to act all scientific about it and teach the kids to call it "scat". i always thought that was waaay worse [20:48] you can't just call it crap? [20:48] lol [20:48] make bzImage modules or make bzImage vmlinux is the same right? [20:48] qualified maybe... "moose crap" or "deer crap" [20:48] droppings? [20:49] masterx841: what are you trying to do? just build a normal kernel and install it? [20:49] masterx841, just do 'make' and 'make modules_install' [20:49] make && make modules_install && cp arch/x86/bzImage /boot/mynewcoolimage [20:50] back to the ranger thing, she would teach them scat and i can just imagine them going home and typing that into google [20:50] "OMG moooommm" [20:50] shoo scat! [20:51] I guess you can learn a lot from studying animal droppings [20:51] yeah [20:51] like where to set rabbit snares [20:51] she would collect them sometimes and take them back to the ranger station lab [20:51] ugh. [20:52] she was a crazy park ranger [20:53] antiwire, so did you stop dating her because you found out the path she takes with the students, and sneak over there in the middle of night, and drop a turd for her and the class to find...only for her to look foolish in front of the Park Ranger when she took it in for inspection? [20:53] lmao [20:53] omfg [20:53] ...that's what I'd have done :) [20:53] dude. you are one stick Old_Fogie [20:53] "umm kids stay back, this one look human" [20:54] so she is a turd wrangler for the park dept.? [20:54] lol [20:54] well, I'd have thrown it at trees, and small creatures to give it the natural effect of course, gotta keem em guessing [20:54] lol [20:55] maybe let out a bear scream when I did it for the full effect, or better yet, a wolfman howl..."yowwwllllll" [20:55] ah the image [20:55] dive, yea now you see what I'm talking bout [20:55] Old_Fogie in the woods with the bears and wolves going 'au naturale' [20:55] :) [20:56] that's not an image I want in my mind too long [20:56] yeah, but my luck, I'd have wiped my tucus with poison ivy and it'd be a dead give away [20:56] lol [20:56] haha [20:56] you would have a bug red ichy rump like a monkey [20:56] s/bug/big [20:57] Action: Old_Fogie scratches head and wonders if that job at National Geo is still hiring "Turd Dropper for hire, must bring own poison ivy.." [20:57] lol [20:58] Old_Fogie, UCLA gives me monies to fart in a bottle once a week.. [20:58] jeev, you kidding? and to think I'd been doing it all these years for free :) [20:58] they say it causes temporary blindness, so skunkworks is trying to get me to produce for them [20:58] Ugh, I'd hate to be the one to open that bottle after a few months of sitting there. [20:59] so they could drop it with leaflets [20:59] what's 'skunkworks' ? [20:59] lockheed martin skunkworks! [21:00] the skunkworks dude! [21:00] the secret lab [21:00] they made the SR71 [21:00] "Hey Johnny, what do you do for a living" "Oh man I have an amazing job, I fart in a bottle once a week" [21:00] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_works [21:00] Jean (n=jean@93-36-227-221.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:01] hiking a trail you see this sign: watch for bears, carry pepper spray and wear jingle bells; next sign says: look for signs of bears, bear scat smells like pepper spray and contains jingle bells ;) [21:01] lol [21:01] the last sign says, "look out for angry bear wearing jinglebells and carrying pepper spray" [21:02] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/F-35_at_Edwards_(Cropped).jpg [21:02] beautiful. [21:02] the joint strike? [21:03] antiwire: arch/x86/bzImage /boot/mynewcoolimage <-- just make up a name? [21:03] masterx841: yeah, as long as you use the same name in lilo.conf [21:03] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] masterx841, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [21:04] ok kool thank you [21:04] Old_Fogie: thank you i'm using that as well its just my first time doing kernel and i'am experincing [21:04] antiwire: yeah, F-35 is joint strike. [21:04] and i dont want to mess it up [21:05] yea [21:05] firebird619: it's supposed to take the place of the finished but never deployed F-22 Raptor right? [21:05] but F22 owns [21:05] the F22 is awesome but they never deployed it [21:05] antiwire: I believe so yes. I think they stopped production of the F-22 [21:06] I saw the F-22 at an airshow, i shot some film of it [21:06] i'm up to system.map :P [21:06] antiwire: There's going to be an airshow this coming July about 50 miles from where I'm at and there's going to be an F-22 Demo. :) [21:06] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.217.128) joined ##slackware. [21:06] SWEET [21:07] f22 is still in production [21:07] firebird619: you better go, it's an awesome sight in real life [21:07] oh wait, i think theyd id cut it [21:07] I haven't been to an airshow since I was maybe 8 years old, I'd like to find another [21:07] antiwire: Last time they had the show the special demo was a B-2 [21:07] we had the blue birds (? american stunt/fighter jet team?) do a demo. [21:07] never had to go to the airshow when I was a kid, I could see it from my house [21:07] Blue Angels [21:07] firebird619: ahh, those are the ones. [21:07] at the show i saw they were doing chases with the F-22 and an F-18 [21:07] They're going to be there too. [21:07] it was fscking cool [21:07] antiwire: neat! [21:08] antiwire: I LOVE airshows. [21:08] antiwire: My uncle went to Oshkosk, WI to the airshow last year. [21:08] err, Oshkosh [21:08] [fglrx:firegl_find_any_map] *ERROR* Invalid map handle!<3>[fglrx:drm_vm_close] *ERROR* map not found -> inconsistent kernel data!!! vma_start <-- anyone seen this before like 800 times in their dmesg? I see lots of people complaining but no solutions [21:08] I saw it a Pt. Mugu [21:09] lol [21:09] eviljames: The one near me they have every few years. I've seen the B-2, Thunderbirds, and Blue Angels. [21:09] yeah, and it was supposed be "of yeah AMD + ATI will fix it all"...yeah right [21:09] It's put on the the Air National Guard [21:10] s/on/on by [21:10] dartmouth: if that a custom kernel or the stock kernel? [21:10] is* [21:10] ut oh, the beer is kicking in [21:10] antiwire: cusom [21:10] antiwire: The alcohol is taking over. :) [21:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:11] damn, f22 crashed in march, i heard of smoething.. test pilot died [21:11] dartmouth: did you copy the new System.map into place? [21:11] haha [21:11] no [21:11] i dont even know what that thing is [21:11] i just delete them when i see them [21:11] dartmouth: i don't think it should matter but it might be worth a try [21:11] ok, is that just a copy of the .config file I used to build that kernel? [21:11] the System.map tracks the internal symbols [21:12] since they change for each build [21:12] names as /boot/System.map [21:12] yes [21:12] Bobbiee_ (i=popopopo@41.236.13.148) left irc: No route to host [21:12] dartmouth: the new one would be in the top level of the configured and compiled new kernel source. [21:12] antiwire: F35 vertical takeoff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm7_PPE-8nk [21:13] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.29.19) joined ##slackware. [21:13] ok im confused then; i've got a config file AND a system.map for each kernel in /boot [21:13] dartmouth: that's right [21:13] souljas (n=souljas@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] so if System.map is the .config from that kernel build what's config? [21:13] System.map is not the config [21:13] no [21:13] System.map != config [21:13] they are two different things [21:14] ok because thats what you just said [21:14] here http://dirac.org/linux/system.map/ [21:14] i even confirmed it lol [21:14] no that's nto what i said [21:14] re read it [21:14] where did he say that? [21:14] (2009-05-12 18:12:38) antiwire: the System.map tracks the internal symbols [21:14] (2009-05-12 18:12:43) antiwire: since they change for each build [21:14] .. [21:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[21:21] masterx841: make a new entry using the name you used for your new kernel, leave the old entry in tact [21:21] intact* [21:21] masterx841, make a new section [21:21] this way, when your new kernel explodes you can select the old one [21:22] masterx841: when in doubt, pastebin us a copy so we can gawk at it and laugh at you [21:22] Razec (n=razec@187-26-139-1.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [21:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.29.19) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:28] well beer is running out. time to leave back in 60mins [21:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("mIRC"). [21:29] 1 day to find a line that fu** my work [21:29] :P [21:29] dive: where should i paste it http://pastebin.ca? [21:30] yeah [21:30] signal11 (i=esteban@wsip-68-110-131-118.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: "Reconnecting" [21:30] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [21:30] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] sup all .. got slackware installed on virtualbox [21:30] :P [21:30] Nick change: masterx841 -> Masterx831 [21:30] atta-boy? [21:31] dive must uncoment the application/octet-stream application/vnd.cups-raw 0 - line in mime.convs [21:31] :/ [21:31] ok i will before i boot [21:31] SlackLnx, what? It's working then? [21:31] yes [21:32] hey guys .. how come a normal user can't startx but root can [21:32] Masterx831, you did run lilo right? [21:32] macman_ : normal user can. [21:32] not on a hosed system [21:32] ananke: well its not [21:33] macman_ : it's not what? [21:33] step 1 for all xorg problems: grep "EE" /var/log/Xorg.0.log [21:33] so .. i did a adduser macman [21:33] step #1 for all debugging: tell us the whole damn story [21:33] then i typed startx [21:33] nothing [21:33] macman_ : define 'nothing' [21:34] ananke: one sec im rebooting [21:34] -sh: startx: not found [21:34] . [21:34] did you install x/ ? [21:34] macman_ : 'sh'? what shell are you using? 'echo $SHELL' [21:35] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [21:35] im using sh eviljames [21:35] why are you using sh, and not bash? [21:35] ananke: when i first restarted after i installed i logged into root and it worked [21:35] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) joined ##slackware. [21:35] ananke: cause im using the defualt install .. i just installed it 2 secs ago [21:35] i just typed startx and it gives me an error [21:35] that was ananke, but he's on the right track. check to see which shell is being loaded for your user (should be /bin/bash) [21:36] macman_ : that doesn't answer the question why you're using 'sh' [21:36] ananke: because i just installed slackware and typed sh [21:36] o0 [21:36] err [21:36] macman_ : typed it when? [21:36] not sh startx [21:36] ananke: 2 seconds ago [21:36] probably because adduser sets that as the default and he didn't set -s [21:36] macman_ : why? [21:36] eviljames : i'm almost positive default shell is set to /bin/bash in adduser [21:37] it isn't [21:37] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.83.106) joined ##slackware. [21:37] ananke: let me paste one sec [21:37] I'd bet it goes with the safest possible default, /bin/sh .. though why that wouldn't be symlinked to bash is another question. [21:37] ananke: lets fine out :) [21:37] Action: Dominian turns on adduser [21:37] defshell=/bin/bash [21:37] eviljames : i'm not sure which adduser you're looking at [21:37] has that changed due to something like coreutils version? [21:37] Shell [ /bin/bash ] [21:37] actually can't pastehow do i change to bash ? [21:38] Oh, I wasn't looking at adduser, I was guessing :D [21:38] it is bash unless you changed it [21:38] eviljames : quit guessing then [21:38] didn't change it .. all i did was adduser macman_ and now i can't go to startx [21:38] i never did chsh -s anything [21:38] macman_ : 'finger macman', tell us what shell is set [21:39] macman_, you sure you did 'adduser' and not 'useradd'? [21:39] j0z (n=JESUS@200-101-177-37.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:39] dive it was one of them .. i think it was adduser [21:39] 'one of them' doesn't really narrow it down [21:40] 'history' ? [21:40] history dosne't work [21:40] useradd will give you sh [21:40] anyways im reinstalling [21:40] and it also will not make home directory [21:40] no don't reinstall yet [21:40] ok [21:40] http://pastebin.ca/1421150 [21:40] is it right? [21:41] deluser you used and start again as root do 'adduser' [21:41] macman_ : just answer the questions you've been asked. 'finger macman' [21:41] ananke: apologies, useradd sets the default shell to /bin/sh, not adduser [21:41] ananke: finger dosen't work [21:41] macman_ : define 'doesn't work' [21:41] omg [21:41] i better not be booting from the dvd [21:41] macman_ : you really need to work on your problem reporting skills [21:41] one sec [21:42] Masterx831, yeah that looks good, and you ran 'lilo'? [21:42] I bet he was in the dvd, saying 'history' doesn't work is completely "out there" [21:42] lmfao .. i fill stupid [21:42] macman_ : 'feel' [21:42] thanks ananke irssi has no spell check [21:43] let's hope he types command in cli better then he types in iirc :) [21:43] dive: how [21:43] well it wouldn't catch 'fill' even if it did [21:43] macman_ : it's not spelling, but grammar. [21:43] i havwent restart yet [21:43] ananke: i was booted from the cd .. im running slackware in virtualbox and i forgot to unmount it from the virtualbox option [21:43] lol i'm scared would liek to double check [21:43] dive: I just found on xfce-look.org a conky setup that at the top just shows the last the changelog was changed. [21:43] Masterx831, in a terminal, su to root and run 'lilo' [21:43] ok [21:43] yea my slackware is up .. sorry guys .. thanks for the support though :D [21:43] thanks [21:43] firebird619, yeah I have one does that too [21:43] yea lilo is fine [21:43] macman_ : sure thing. just be sure to be more descriptive next time. 'doesn't work' is very vague [21:44] dive: Here's mine now: http://imagebin.org/48845 [21:44] ananke: if history worked i would have given you the exact command i typed [21:44] Now I'm working on getting transparency. [21:44] if I wasn't feeling nice, I'd noobfarm you booting the dvd :) [21:44] paissad (n=paissad@5.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:44] in conky. [21:45] macman_ : i wasn't asking for that command [21:45] Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed Added Linux * Added newkernel One warning was issued. [21:45] what does that warning mean? [21:45] shoujld i use useradd or adduser ? [21:45] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [21:45] macman_ : use 'adduser' [21:45] macman_: it's up to you. [21:45] Masterx831, add the 'lba32' near the top of lilo.conf [21:45] oh ok thanks [21:45] macman_: one is for beginners, one is for experienced users. [21:45] once you're comfortable with adduser, you can move onto useradd [21:45] then run lilo again [21:45] dive: how do you know this? [21:46] dunno I guess I read up on it [21:46] Masterx831: google would have told you in two minutes. [21:46] thumbs: thanks .. im coming from ubuntu .. most of this stuff is done [21:46] growl growl [21:47] heh [21:47] :) [21:48] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:49] guys right out of the box my wirelss card isn't recognized .. i have a broadcom driver .. in ubuntu the driver is b43-fwcutter [21:49] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] any ideas on how to get it recognized [21:49] if you say ubunut one more time I'm gonna boot ya in the Arse :) [21:49] lol [21:50] ok my bad [21:51] macman_, search slackbuilds for b43-fwcutter [21:51] on it [21:51] http://slackwiki.org/Category:Hardware <--- woh something wrong with our slackwiki site [21:52] Old_Fogie: hahah that's no way to get him on the right track.. [21:52] eviljames, ? [21:52] the growling about ubuntu [21:52] that's right, I said it... UBUNTU [21:52] heh [21:52] sure it is, there's a reason he's turning to the Slack [21:52] :) [21:53] the slackwiki.org's database is a bit.. fooked right now [21:53] dive under this line? #message = /boot/boot_message.txt [21:53] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.54.22) joined ##slackware. [21:53] yea had it on two pages so far [21:53] Old_Fogie: its more than that [21:53] Dominian, ok [21:53] anyways i will do this later .. got to fold clothes and stuff .. plus i needed to be connected to a hard line [21:53] Masterx831, it can be anywhere above the two kernel sections to be honest [21:53] bbs [21:54] macman_, ok cya soon macman_ [21:54] esom (n=enigma@222.172.214.3) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:54] im gonna have to compile a lot in slack right ? [21:54] Old_Fogie: Unfortunately, can't raise the admin of the box... its an easy fix.. just have to recover some crashed sql tables is my guess.. [21:54] macman_, mmm it depends on your needs really, it's hard to say. [21:54] macman_, have a look at sbopkg - sbopkg.org [21:54] yea .. anything but gentoo [21:54] macman_, but the wireless will be quick, and many people here are *very* good at how to do it and such. [21:54] i heard the stories [21:54] macman_, so you'll be up and running on that in no time. [21:55] it will search/download/install/create packages [21:55] Dominian, ah I see, let's hope they back it up [21:55] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:55] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: "leaving" [21:55] Old_Fogie: hehe [21:56] Dominian, I take that as a 'no' :) [21:56] thanks [21:56] Old_Fogie: no idea [21:56] I don't run the server [21:57] Masterx831, anyway you can usually ignore that warning [21:57] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] ok it worked i run lilo [21:58] Dominian: the wiki seemed to shit the bed right around the time of the last update. That sound about right? [21:58] brb i'm going to restart [21:58] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.111) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [21:59] dive: it should be fine right? [21:59] Masterx831, well, if you compiled the right things into the kernel like root filesystem support then yes [21:59] reboot and see, and if it fails reset and boot with old kernel [22:00] yeah your right thanks brb [22:00] noobs are paranoid lol [22:00] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:00] chopp: its been that way for a while acdtually [22:01] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:01] yes I know [22:01] <`v'> [22:02] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.116.40) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:02] chopp: http://imagebin.org/48847 [22:03] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] firebird619: hey looking good. I like this wallpaper better too actually. [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] firebird619, what terminal is that on the right with no borders etc? [22:04] eterm [22:04] chopp: yeah, me too. [22:04] It just fits better [22:04] and the transparent conky I really like [22:05] dive: Eterm --borderless --buttonbar 0 --trans --scrollbar false & [22:05] firebird619, I managed to get mine to work with root-tail but I probably won't use it [22:05] since I get updates by email [22:06] seems a bit pointless having both [22:06] yeah, I get the updates by e-mail too, this was more proof of concept for me and having fun figuring it out. [22:06] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-47.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:06] :-( kernel panic [22:06] haha [22:06] lol [22:06] congratulations for first borked kernel. [22:06] hmm, we warned you [22:06] firebird619, you know you could also pipe that diff to | sed "s/^ dive: What would that do? [22:07] that would get rid of the < at start of line [22:07] masterx831: well, did you compile in your filesystem and hardware controller ? [22:07] firebird619: have it ever happen to you [22:07] masterx831: once [22:07] i followed alienBOB proceedures :S [22:08] not sure how that answers my questoin ;) [22:08] masterx831, why do you need to compile the kernel anyway? Whay did you add/remove from it? [22:08] dive: Ah ok. So I would just add | sed "s/^ did you build disk IDE/PATA/SATA and/or filesystem support as modules? then an initrd might save the day [22:09] firebird619, yeah although I use 'diff -ur xxx yyy | sed "s/^+//g"' either shoudl work [22:09] dive: Ok, thanks. [22:09] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-214.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [22:10] but dont ask me since i avoid initrd like the plague [22:10] firebird619, you are redirecting diff output to a file with '>'? [22:11] then it would be 'diff xxx yyy | sed "s/^ filename' [22:11] Pig_Pen, same here, tho 'lshal' is a true blessing, if hal is available on that box. [22:11] dive: I wasn't right now now. I just have diff ~/changelogs/ChangeLog.txt ~/changelogs/ChangeLog.old [22:11] because i need to set the HT on [22:11] firebird619, ok [22:11] s/now// [22:11] he could use the CDrom #1 to boot his installed system and fix it [22:12] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:12] he has the old kernel in lilo - just need to boot into that and try compiling again [22:13] dive: That didn't work for removing the <. They're still there. Do I need to use > file for it to work? [22:13] no try sed "s/^\ still there. :P [22:15] nope try this one: sed 's/^ Ah ha, that did it. :) [22:19] quotes in sed are a law unto themselves [22:20] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Heya, folks ... How's everyone? [22:21] j0z (n=JESUS@201.89.208.79) joined ##slackware. [22:21] hi MLanden [22:21] heya,twolf [22:21] Hey MLanden. How are you? [22:21] I'm great [22:21] fine thanks firebird619 [22:22] dive: http://imagebin.org/48849 [22:22] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:22] looking good [22:23] firebird619: nice fluxbox screen [22:23] twolf: thanks [22:23] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:23] dive: I seen on the arch forums someone did updates by viewing arch's rss update feed in conky [22:24] firebird619: very nice display [22:24] MLanden: thanks. [22:25] firebird619: arch's forum have a lot of good examples for conky [22:25] sleepytime. laters [22:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:25] MLanden: yeah, a lot of nice ones. That's where I got mine from, and then modified it a bit [22:26] dive: could this somehow be loaded in conky with lynx -dump or something? http://www.slackware.com/security/list.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009 [22:27] firebird619, yeah lynx -dump should do it [22:27] dive: Ok, I may try that next. :P [22:27] This is fun [22:31] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [22:32] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] lol..Conky 1.7.0 "Hungry Hobo" [22:32] firebird619, you know, if you build/install imlib2, then rebuild fluxbox to link to imlib2, you'll then get a png/icon next to items in your fluxbox menu right? [22:33] Old_Fogie: Yeah, chopp had mentioned that. I do have imlib2 installed already, but haven't rebuilt fluxbox. I tried adding an icon for firefox in the menu, but it doesn't show up. [22:33] firebird619, I find no speed sacrifice either, for whichever speed pc :) [22:34] yea it wont, ti'll you rebuild flux to see imlib2 [22:34] Old_Fogie: how long does flux take to rebuild? I could use slackware's slackbuild right? [22:35] it is small, not long [22:35] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] which is fluxbox under in source, f, d, e, what? [22:36] http://pastebin.com/d7657ff89 <-- firebird619 [22:36] xap [22:36] firebird619, you obviously dont' need gnome tho :) [22:36] k, thanks. [22:36] but you get the idea, you can diff that vs slack's you'll see [22:37] Old_Fogie: more like --disable-gnome. :P [22:37] yea probably [22:37] lol [22:37] I can rebuild flux while I'm on flux? [22:37] tho, I have no idea why it links to it , as to which reason. [22:38] firebird619, probably [22:38] I'd yank it just to play it safe , but I'm paranoid [22:38] ok, I shall do that then. thanks. I could log in to xfce. :P [22:39] firebird619, I think the kde is so that flux will see and handle kde tray icons stuff [22:39] yank it as in log out of it, right? [22:39] ehhh [22:39] ahhh [22:39] :) [22:39] building it will not cause a problem [22:39] you should log out before you install your new fluxbox .tgz package [22:40] bump the BUILD number so you can use upgadepkg [22:40] to anything? [22:41] anything higher than the old package's build number [22:42] ok [22:42] might want to add a _local tag as well, so you won't forget it's your build [22:42] personally, and it's a preference thing, I'd keep the revision the same as slack official, but add your initials to the package...fluxbox-1.0-i486-1fb.tgz and use 'upgradepkg --reinstall'. My reasoning is, you know the revision, is the same as slackware's, so if they come out with a sec fix, you have a still working revision in place to accept the upgrade right away. [22:42] yeah, that makes sense too [22:42] ok, I shall start rebuilding. :) [22:43] but the local tag, for sure yeah that's big , you should always do that. and always use the 'same' tag for yourself too. so you can do a quick "ls /var/log/packages |grep firebird" and see only your stuff right away quickly. [22:44] yeah [22:44] what's with people grepping the output of ls? 3rd or 4th time I've seen that this week [22:44] ls /var/log/packages/*firebird* [22:44] tho I use 1_OF.tgz I use an underscore, I've been told it's wrong, but don't see why in the book here, had no issues either, but oh well [22:44] I usually use grep, anything wrong with it? [22:45] nothing exactly wrong with it, it's just an extra step that involves extra typing [22:45] I type about 70 words per minute, that half second is alright with me. :P [22:45] sorta like the difference between "cat phonelist.txt | grep name" vs. "grep name phonelist.txt" [22:46] well there's many times I'll use ls but need some reg exp so it's just a routine, keep things same, keep things consistent type of thing [22:46] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] find /var/log/packages -regex 'fo[oO]' [22:46] :) [22:47] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:47] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-134-62.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:47] yeah but find is horrid for passing on info too. yeah just a creature of habbit I guess [22:49] you should've seen how long it took me to stop typing 'pico' and use 'nano' [22:49] you know, it'd be really nice if my cable modem would stop dying every two days [22:50] firebird619, diff -n will also suppress > and < [22:50] night all:) [22:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.27.160) joined ##slackware. [22:50] heh. My habit is to type "vi" when I want to run vim, on Slackware I ( cd /usr/bin; rm -f vi; ln -s vim vi ) [22:51] oh I have that symlinked to notepad.exe [22:51] :) [22:51] :D [22:51] dive: ok, thanks. [22:52] I still think it's hilarious to set up binfmt_misc so it runs windows .exe files through wine automagically [22:52] but at least you learned what sed does ;) [22:52] Old_Fogie: alright, flux is rebuilding. :) [22:53] dive: yeah, sure did. [22:53] echo ':Windows:M::MZ::/usr/bin/wine' > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register ; chmod 755 notepad.exe ; ./notepad.exe [22:54] and wine processes show up as the windows .exe name in "ps" output too, which always makes me smile [22:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:55] hahaha [22:55] http://www.419eater.com/images/trophy_room/luthman2(t).jpg [22:55] freakin' hiliarious [22:55] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] Action: Shingoshi is back up! [22:56] Shingoshi: YAY. [22:56] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Dominian: what am I looking at there? [22:57] I found out something about my motherboard (EVGA) that really pisses me off! [22:57] I was almost unable to mount the heatsink. [22:57] Dominian, says page not found [22:57] guy sitting in chair holding sign, but what's the sign say? (not enough resolution) [22:58] Urchlay: hang on [22:58] "Yes We Can" ? [22:58] Dominian: gotta love Phil [22:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:58] http://www.419eater.com/images/trophy_room/luthman2(t).jpg [22:58] argh.. hang on [22:58] firebird619: Without any changes, my temps on the board is 10C lower than before. [22:59] wow, nice. [22:59] http://www.419eater.com/images/luthman2.jpg [22:59] These are pictures of those Nigerian scammers.. that these scam baiters actually got them to take lol [22:59] Dominian: hahahaha [22:59] I''m going to let it do a burn in first before changing the clock speeds. [22:59] yeah, I found the actual page [22:59] I think I've found a new calling.. [22:59] haha [23:00] dude... [23:00] killer idea [23:00] whoever designed that website has brillantly used javascript to reimplement tags [23:00] Shingoshi: you need to lap the dies and the heatsinks duh [23:00] sweet, flux is done rebuilding. brb [23:00] slacker [23:00] Get one of them to take a picture that says "Church of the Sub-genius" [23:00] Due to excessive network traffic this domain will be unavailable for a short while [23:01] ... [23:01] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] Dominian: good 'ole Bob..:D [23:02] MLanden: aye [23:02] That.. would be something to stick in the archives... get a scammer.. to take a picture.. and to actually send it [23:02] Dominian: that would be epic noobfarm [23:02] gold star style [23:03] Anybody on --current? Just wondering, do you have this file onboard ? --> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/libxml2.pyc [23:03] maybe it's my --unstable has a bug, but maybe not. [23:03] antiwire: ohhhh yes :) [23:03] that would like.. win trophy of the century on the noobfarm site [23:03] Old_Fogie: root@YYYYY:~# ls -alh /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/libxml2.pyc [23:03] /bin/ls: cannot access /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/libxml2.pyc: No such file or directory [23:04] Ok.. Noobfarm followers! You have a mission :D [23:04] heh [23:04] lol [23:04] interesting... ok ty antiwire [23:04] on 12.2 I have /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/libxml2.pyc [23:04] (probably not helpful to you) [23:05] Urchlay, yeah I'm thinking something is installing on / and shouldnt be [23:05] on mine, can't tell if it will in --current yet, that I'm working on now [23:05] like DESTDIR is getting ignored? [23:05] yea. [23:05] yuck [23:05] there was that one guy got a tattoo made [23:05] i've seen a few of those and nearly borked my system...partially broken DESTDIR [23:05] not cool at all [23:05] that was pretty funny [23:05] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) left irc: "Leaving" [23:06] baited by shiver...:D [23:06] i had to manually track down every sprayed file by diff'ing against a backup of my / fs [23:07] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:07] thank god for rsync [23:07] MLanden: hehe [23:07] I'm going to hav eto go through my spam filter and fin done now [23:07] there ought to be a way to do an LD_PRELOAD or such, that bails out if it's trying to write outside $PKG [23:07] maybe something like checkinstall has it as an option [23:08] installwatch? [23:08] From then on, if i question a Makefile even slightly I rsync with verbose first and then test it [23:08] possibly. I can't remember which is which now... [23:08] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [23:08] or just a vm with snapshots [23:08] ok [23:08] antiwire: most stuff you can "make -n install" and see what commands it'll run, without actually running them [23:08] time to plug this bad boy into a lan line [23:09] Urchlay: awesome! [23:09] macman_: don't stare directly at the beam [23:09] sometimes that doesn't help: it only runs one command, "./install_package.sh" or something [23:09] make -n install 1>log 2>&1 [23:10] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:10] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-134-62.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] Old_Fogie: Ok, I got that done now. [23:10] lol [23:10] another neat but dumb trick: install bash-completion, then you can go "make in" and it'll complete to "install" and/or "install-strip", whatever's supported by the Makefile [23:11] macman__ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [23:11] ok guys since i have the slackware dvd/3.9gb .. why isn't b43-fwcutter on there ? [23:11] i found one like that a few months ago that i never knew about; tab completion against $ [23:12] yeah usefull [23:12] yeah, very handy [23:12] Ok I"m really confused, where is this file even coming from. I build with *full* logging. And not one of my logs shows where the heck it's coming from. [23:12] OH YES! [23:12] libxml2.pyc [23:12] macman__: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=b43&sv=12.2 [23:12] firebird619: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5323/bessesntialbeingdesktop.jpg [23:12] My wife's spam box is FULL of these nigerian scams :D [23:12] it's not part of libxml2 package I know that [23:12] so what are very useful sites like day to dy for slack [23:12] slackbuids and what else [23:12] macman__: read the example first http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [23:12] Dominian: Better than it being Nigerian scum. [23:13] Shingoshi: :) [23:13] Shingoshi: oh you don't understand [23:13] Action: Dominian is about to have some fun [23:13] antiwire: for what .. how to install b43-fwcutter ? [23:13] :D [23:13] success - its in the spam box isn't it :) [23:13] rk4n3: ohhh no.. that's not the fun part :) [23:13] Dominian: It was a lousy joke. Bad sense of humor! [23:13] Action: Dominian is about to waste these scammer's time [23:13] Shingoshi: aye [23:13] Old_Fogie: from what little I know of Python: .pyc are compiled python files, I think if you search for the source (libxml2.py) you'll find it in /var/log/packages somewhere [23:13] macman__: i just pasted a build script site for you and an example on how to use it [23:14] Old_Fogie: Awesome, the icons work too now. that looks nice. [23:14] http://pastebin.com/m51a845ef <--- one of these apps built, causes that file to be made [23:14] antiwire: ok .. thanks for that im not usted to building stuff .. is this for typical packages that aren't on the cd antiwire ? [23:14] Dominian: whatcha got planned ? [23:14] it might be that, if you ever use libxml2.py, running as root, it'll automagically save the compiled version to save having to compile it again? [23:15] Urchlay, oh so building as root, with this python, maybe writing to /usr/lib/python2.6 then ? [23:15] (I know at least some python apps do that, dunno if that's built into the python interpreter or if the app contains code for it) [23:15] rk4n3: going to bait the scammer [23:15] rk4n3: Going to try and get them to create a banner that says "Churc of the Sub-genius" on it [23:15] and mail me a picture of it :D [23:15] cause on 12.2, I have /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/libxml2.py in a package... and /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/libxml2.pyc exists but is not listed anywhere in /var/log/package/* [23:16] Yeah whenever I build new things, I do a full log from removing new things, on purpose to see what get's left over with Skip and WARN. [23:16] Dominian: haha ! That'll be awesome :) [23:16] he he [23:16] Urchlay, right, it's not show in the log of packages [23:16] I think I'll just use my normal email for this [23:16] macman__: slackbuilds.org is the first place to look for package build scripts that aren't officially part of Slackware [23:16] Urchlay, it's not in the 'doinst.sh' either [23:16] ok [23:16] firebird619: Compare this against the earlier shot: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5323/bessesntialbeingdesktop.jpg [23:17] bash: file libxml2.pyc: data [23:17] macman__: alienBOB also has a good repo http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [23:18] Shingoshi: that's the same one? [23:18] s/?/. [23:18] haha [23:18] Urchlay, going by timestamps, the file date/time is same as the package creation time [23:18] my name is "Mr. Doob McCrackin" [23:18] see if I get a real response [23:18] lol [23:18] Dominian: http://blog.hyptyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/truedobbsheadbitmap72dpi.gif :D [23:18] MLanden: hehe [23:18] little bullpup action in that screen shot [23:18] I sent it a second time. I didn't hear from you the first. [23:19] Urchlay, well, he didn't ship this file in 12.2, and it's not in his --current package. so it must be left over gibberish I suppose from the build. So I should venture to guess I shouldnt bother Mr. V with this. [23:19] Old_Fogie: package creation time, not package installation? [23:19] creation [23:19] hmmm [23:19] then why's my 12.2 system have it? I never built a python package on it [23:19] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-148.dial.telus.net) left irc: No route to host [23:20] well, that you know of [23:20] I just did a search [23:20] Shingoshi: Ah, ok. Do you still have the earlier shot link? I had logged out and back in, I was rebuilding flux? [23:20] http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=current&t=2&q=libxml2.pyc <--- ti's not there [23:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat079.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:20] Old_Fogie: no really, I never recompiled the libxml2 package, nor the python package [23:20] email is off [23:20] Action: Dominian now waits :D [23:21] http://pastie.org/476434 [23:21] Urchlay, yea I dont know. its' not shipped by slackware tho I know that [23:21] but should it be? I dont know. [23:21] firebird619: This is before I changed the heatsink. Look close at the temps. http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5323/bessesntialbeingdesktop.jpg [23:22] python and libxml packages both have a timestamp older than the .pyc file [23:22] I'll keep you guys posted [23:22] Shingoshi: alright, done. :) [23:22] firebird619: The board temps are slowly creeping back up. [23:23] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "it is interesting to think life can get better or worse" [23:23] But I think it's low enough to give me room to raise my clock. [23:23] yeah, hopefully. :) [23:24] The cpu temps are definitely lower. [23:24] Hopefully I can increase the clock without raising the temps. [23:24] well, that's the main thing, get the lower temps. [23:25] Urchlay, yea I'm googling this bugger, and it's something with byte compiling [23:25] ya [23:25] Old_Fogie: wow, that really dresses up the flux menu. really nice. [23:25] Urchlay, on libxml2 [23:25] firebird619, yup :) [23:25] Old_Fogie: I'm just going through now and adding the icons by hand. :) [23:26] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:26] libxml2.py is in the MANIFEST.bz2 file underneath the libxml2-2.7.3-i486-2.txz header. [23:26] gm152, 'pyc' at end [23:26] Urchlay, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_activity.cgi?id=251550 [23:26] top line there [23:26] it does break the sandbox [23:27] e.g. not honor DESTDIR [23:27] That one is not in the manifest file. [23:27] gm152, correct [23:27] but if you build libxml2, you miraculously get that file in /usr/lib/python2.5 or 2.6 whichever you run. [23:27] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:28] rworkman, got your ears on? [23:29] "very strong winds will create hazards in the mountains and deserts through tonight. Additionally the winds will create hazardous areas of quarter mile visibilities in blowing sand and dust. Strong and damaging winds are expected. Dangerous wind gusts to near 60 miles per hour will be possible at times in the mountains" [23:29] wonderful [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] california wind storm time of year [23:30] ivan_ (n=ivan8013@190.149.49.254) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Old_Fogie: yuck [23:32] roger that [23:33] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:33] wonder how come I have it on my 12.2 box though, I really & truly have never built libxml2 on it [23:33] maybe building something anything that hooks to xml stuff, or python makes it? [23:33] on the fly? [23:33] probably the latter [23:33] kind of like a pango module, or gtk immodule or something? [23:34] if I ever ran any python script as root, that uses libxml2.py... [23:34] there's so much in linux world, that uses python, or xml2man so on and so forth, who the heck knows [23:34] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:34] and xml stuff, dunno. [23:35] goes to show why you build on a dev box [23:35] interesting. the atime on the .pyc file is 25 minutes newer than on the .py file. Meaning whatever it was, I ran it once, then ran it again 25 minutes later for the last time [23:35] Old_Fogie: what's the actual problem there? [23:35] oh not a problem, just dont know what this file is about. [23:36] there's a file called /usr/lib/python$VERS/libxml2.pyc [23:36] that's not part of the package when you build the package. [23:36] it apparenlty, for years, breaks DESTDIR, and many bugs filed with other distro's for it. [23:37] not sure if it's an oversight, or on purpose that Slack doesnt have it. it doesnt ship with debian, or gentoo either, so I'm inclined to think, it's not supposed to be shipped by the distro, just didnt know if you had any idea on it off top of your head [23:38] Shouldn't need it - it's the compiled libxml2.py file, which should be generated if/when it's needed. [23:38] The downside is that *if* it's generated, then a package upgrade won't clear it, and the old one will still be used [23:38] rworkman, aha ok, kind of (for lack of better terms on my part) like gtk-imodules type of thing? [23:39] rworkman, re: upgrade, yes, whenever I build new versions, I install, then remove it with logging and grep for Skip and WARN and this showed right away, which raised the Old_Fogie sky falling :) [23:39] ...learn something every day [23:39] I'll look into how/if we should handle it; thanks [23:40] so any time I run any libxml2.py-using script as root, I'll get that... [23:40] Urchlay, it would appear that way [23:40] If an icon isn't in /usr/share/pixmaps, where would be the next place to look. I'm trying to find claws-mails icon? [23:40] if I ain't root, do I get a ~/.pythonjunk/*.pyc cache or something? [23:42] Urchlay, I'm gonna try and comment out the chown lines, and run it as normal user, and see after this build finishes [23:43] as a side note, this is why I feel strongly about build systems. you have the same results each time, and change one thing...and if not the same results..you know where/when how it came from. [23:43] firebird619: When you look in pkgtool and view claws-mail, where does it list the icon? [23:43] build system/vm [23:43] MLanden: I hadn't looked there yet so I don't know. I'll check. :) [23:44] antiwire, yea man, or a good set of notes. [23:44] firebird619: OK [23:45] MLanden: /usr/share/icons. :P, Thanks. :) [23:45] firebird619: np [23:45] "McDonalds Free Wi-Fi Users Soak Up Seating" [23:45] antiwire: you there .. ok so that example you gave me .. im doing that example but im using b43-fwcutter .. i don't see a b43-.slackbuild or am i suppose to ? [23:46] evening fellas & abby / nix_chix0r [23:46] and me [23:46] evenin',tecky [23:46] you sir fail, so no, not you! [23:46] oh yeah? [23:46] iirc , abby is guy [23:46] straterra: where do you live sir? [23:46] go to utah! [23:46] hi tecky [23:46] I live not far from dom [23:46] hi straterra [23:47] straterra: do you now? [23:47] go to utah? is that like telling someone to go to hell, only worse? [23:47] i do [23:47] i told dom i was going to visit him one day! [23:47] Urchlay: exactly [23:47] well [23:47] my work has an open bar friday [23:47] and food [23:47] do you work for a bunch of prudes though? [23:47] just old catholic drunks [23:47] last job I had where the boss bought us drinks, it was frowned upon to have more than one drink... [23:48] prudes/homosexuals/** [23:48] ask straterra, he's "special" [23:48] (this wasn't during working hours either, was on a friday night...) [23:48] that isn't some "secret sauce" your tasting >.> [23:48] yes it is [23:48] strats home grown pube salad [23:49] thats kinda, not cool [23:49] i'm gonna go vomit now [23:49] kk [23:49] lo-wang gonna vomit now... [23:49] straterra: i seriously can count on you for some sick disgusting story's [23:49] indeed [23:50] so when you gonna come visit me? [23:50] cuz you know you want to! [23:50] >.< [23:50] rworkman, ok, here's what I find, so you can duplicate, remove that file if exists. install libxml2 so /usr/lib/python..is clean of it right. then build a new libxslt-1.1.24 (which is in --current) and that file magically appears then in /usr/lib/python2.6 [23:53] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:56] rworkman, Urchlay if I comment out the chown lines, in the buildscript, and run that buildscript as a reg user not allowed to wrigth to /usr/lib/python then the package builds fine, same exact file list, my bite size of my bash -x build log of it is same, so it appears...that file get's put there for I have no idea why :) [23:56] I don't see any little ~/.python or what have you in my home. [23:56] so ..I dunno [23:57] maybe it goes to ram then? [23:57] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Wed May 13 2009