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[00:29] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:29] Action: sinuhe disappears [00:29] ooh ... thats a very big time [00:30] i always used fedora ... since 2007 ..lol :D [00:31] thanx for the info guys ... going to try slackware right away [00:31] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] i don't like any of those distros that have the package manager/updater stuff telling me i need to update 300 things when the GUI is started [00:32] you prefer zero days? [00:32] jgeboski , you will hate fedora then [00:32] i've ran fedora [00:32] whats your feedback [00:33] never really used for a long enough peroid of time to give any feedback [00:34] is it recommended to read the slackbook before i start using slackware ? [00:34] read it after you've become an expert. [00:34] hah [00:34] then you can say things like "geez, wish i'd have read this back when i was a noob" [00:34] lol [00:35] one thing get me away from this distro [00:35] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:35] is the website [00:36] looks too dull [00:36] or maybe scary :D [00:36] Hasn't your mother ever told you not to judge a book by its cover? [00:36] :D [00:37] it's the way grant wood would have designed a website were he alive today [00:41] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:42] Absenth (~lars@75-30-81-143.lightspeed.nbvlin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] twoshot_ (~stephen@rrcs-97-77-55-31.sw.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [00:43] superGear (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:43] superGear (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] twoshot_ (~stephen@rrcs-97-77-55-31.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:52] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [00:56] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-184-111.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:57] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:57] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [01:00] hd (~jd@rocket.vel.lv) joined ##slackware. [01:00] hd (~jd@rocket.vel.lv) left irc: Changing host [01:00] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [01:01] trying to use pidgin slackbuild from -current on 13.0 [01:02] is their even a pidgin slackbuild? [01:02] there* [01:03] jgeboski: of course there is. [01:03] echelon: out of curiosity .. why? [01:03] BP{k}, because of the security advisory? [01:04] echelon: uhm so? [01:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:04] anyway, what package contains the headers for nspr and nss? [01:04] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Changing host [01:04] SkyTV (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [01:04] echelon: okay let me rephrase this: .. what do you think you will gain by using the slackbuild from -current, versus the slackbuild from 13.0 or the package of 13.0. [01:05] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:05] so the pidgin in 13.0 has the security fix? [01:05] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:06] i wonder if the slackbuilds are different at all besides the version number [01:06] echelon: both 13.0 and -current have 2.6.6. [01:07] cobra-the-joker (cobra@62.135.86.181) left ##slackware. [01:07] oh. [01:07] as *PER* the slackware security advisor. [01:07] ::gulp:: in that case no difference probably [01:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:07] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:07] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:08] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:08] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:08] echelon: if you are only /now/ getting the idea of a pidgin security advisor ... that one was released in march. .. about two months ago. ;) [01:08] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [01:08] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [01:08] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:08] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:09] i just remember seeing it in the topic [01:09] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [01:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:10] yeah probably was put there just shy of 2 months. ;) [01:10] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [01:11] :3 [01:11] heh [01:12] i subscribe to the security mailing list [01:12] i get all excited when i get the updates ;-D and rush home to patch my box [01:12] wa ha ha [01:12] well if it's the same sb, i still need to find out which pkg has nss and nspr :/ [01:13] seaminkey? [01:13] yeah, seamonkey [01:13] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:14] oh hmm [01:14] funny thing was a seamonkey update started causing eclipse to crash for me [01:14] XD [01:15] i'll just have it use gnutls [01:17] Kyril__ (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645754.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:18] seamokey-solibs should have the headers instead -_- [01:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:22] superGear (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:28] Guest10956 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:28] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:28] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [01:28] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest24751 [01:29] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:29] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:30] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:30] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [01:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:47] SkyTIME (~SkyB0x@212.235.177.25) joined ##slackware. [01:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:47] can i install slackware wint only cd1 and then download from network all others things ? [01:48] with* [01:48] SkyTIME: sure [01:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:51] echelon: still having trouble ? [01:51] meh, i just installed the pkg [01:51] i didn't want to bother with installing seamonkey [01:52] :) so all is well ? [01:52] yup ^_^ [01:54] pfaffian (~mark@CPE00044b162033-CM00111ae61918.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:59] sec0nd (second@confusion.ironsunrise.com) joined ##slackware. [01:59] coolkehon (second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:00] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [02:00] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488EE21.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.82.191) joined ##slackware. [02:04] goj (~goj@p4FE6AD6C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:04] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [02:05] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.28.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:06] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. 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[02:22] ? :3 [02:22] the wiki article got deleted for vandalism :D [02:25] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:26] http://funroll-loops.info/poser.jpg [02:26] gent00 f0n [02:26] -O5000 [02:26] wo00o0o0o [02:26] vincen_ (~chatzilla@222.70.22.7) joined ##slackware. [02:27] vincen (~chatzilla@222.70.18.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:27] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:27] Nick change: vincen_ -> vincen [02:28] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [02:31] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:31] raha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:31] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [02:31] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:34] rahaha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:09] maybe there is a package for it on SlackBuilds.org [03:10] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:10] indeed.. SBo [03:11] <3 [03:12] mac-, get sbopkg [03:12] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:13] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-80-52.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:16] heya MLanden [03:16] heya,fire|bird [03:16] :) [03:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:16] MLanden, How's it going? [03:17] goin' good thanks fire|bird...yourself? [03:17] MLanden, going good, thank you. [03:19] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] came across 'nother foobar-like clone.. http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/ prety promising [03:20] pretty* [03:22] Action: slava_dp is a deadbeef user and <3 it [03:22] best player around [03:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:23] slava_dp, cyrillic support? [03:24] yes, all the fcking koi8 and cp1251 tags are supported. as well as utf8 and everything. [03:24] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [03:24] and it plays flac+cue albums (!) [03:25] slava_dp, how's it on a netbook or on a memory-restricted arch? [03:25] I dunno, but it's pretty lightweight and fast. [03:26] cool [03:26] i'm on 0.3.3, haven't come round to building 0.4 yet [03:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:29] kr_eten (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:29] hi, what is up with all those new packages to install in current? [03:29] new RC? [03:30] kr_eten: what do you mean? [03:30] which? [03:30] foobar's best trait is its conversion/filter capability [03:30] Zordrak, sorry :) i just mean that they are many [03:30] well.. yeah. it's a new version of an operating system [03:31] just about the only thing I can think of that makes going from a 6ch AAC to 6 mono WAV (to then combine to 5.1 DTS) an almost trival task [03:31] i saw no release announcement for new release [03:31] kr_eten: Do you know what slackware-current is? [03:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:32] well... i think so :) [03:32] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. 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[03:35] for complete new versions of slack there are invariable large changes. [03:35] that is why i was asking, out of curiosity, is it a new RC :) [03:35] you either upgrade or you don't. -current is -current. [03:35] since -current is now at 13.1 Beta 1.. it makes perfect sense [03:36] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:36] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-208.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:36] well, that is what i asked (I did not know), i can not understand why is that sharp behavior :) [03:37] -current development looks like the graph of a capacitor discharging with time on the x-axis and 'changes' on the y-axis. stable is basically just a snapshot of -current at the time where the graph is very close to 0. After that the cycle repeats [03:38] somebody should come up with an equation to solve for the Slackware development time constant [03:38] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Capacitor_Discharge_Graph.jpg [03:38] since not everybody here is an EE =) [03:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [03:38] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [03:39] SiegeX, that timeconstant is not constant for Slackware :) [03:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:39] you would have to be able to graph Pat's mind [03:39] kr_eten: go read the ChangeLog.. here's a snippet: "...we're calling this Slackware 13.1 BETA1. A stable release [03:40] should be just around the corner... [03:40] and that would cause the universe to collapse in on itself [03:40] so it's not a release candidate [03:41] Action: Urchlay considers running -current for a while [03:42] Urchlay, wonder if that will coincide with xfce 4.8 when that gets released? [03:42] and we have another example of why security vulnerabilities shoudl _not_ be kept private... [03:43] 13.1,I mean [03:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:43] well, I am lazy user :) now I start thinking for the existence of changelog in the current tree :) [03:44] i think the big hint is a kde overhaul which had been put on hold pending an upstream review which never happened [03:44] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [03:44] the "we got tired of waiting" thing signals a new release [03:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:45] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:45] running current is good thing, just sometimes you have to "patch" the things to be able to start the system after update :) [03:47] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [03:47] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [03:48] and lots of SBo stuff does not build cleanly on -current, so manual labour is required. otherwise, it's fine. [03:48] until SBo is ported to 13.1 [03:51] MLanden: dunneaux. Not really an xfce user (I use it to test .desktop files, make sure icons show up in the start menu, etc, but don't run it otherwise) [03:51] slava_dp: ive yet to find anything that fails on -current [03:51] Urchlay, hear ya [03:51] theyve done a good job of updating for bash4 [03:52] later on I'll go read the bash releasenotes/changelog/etc... can someone tell me in a couple of sentences what bash4 does that bash3 didn't? [03:52] Zordrak, i mean not the scripts themselves, but the sources failing to build. [03:52] (lazy and only mildly curious) [03:52] Urchlay, associative arrays for example [03:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:52] handy [03:53] Urchlay: tbh there are some pretty good "heres the changes in summary" docs available [03:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:53] its mostly little things that are hard to reel off from memory [03:53] yeah, that's kinda how bash2 to bash3 was [03:54] like theres a new shortening for 2>&1 1>> foo [03:54] think the big thing that made me want bash3 might have been bash_completion [03:54] but i cant remember what it is [03:54] Urchlay, here's a summary http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/NEWS [03:54] Zordrak, it's &> [03:54] slava_dp: it 404's :) [03:54] ty= [03:54] wait, bash has had &> forever [03:55] has it got &>> now too? [03:55] tsccof (~tsccof@187.5.237.85) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:55] yes, &>> too [03:55] http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/bash4 [03:55] andrew__ (~andrew@pool-74-102-77-74.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:56] http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/NEWS does not 404 for me [03:56] Urchlay, listened to anything good lately? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87njVizFGgM came across this one one of the sabbath blogs..;) [03:56] 2nd one...on* [03:57] slava_dp: ah, I have a broken url-grabber irssi script, it saw 2 URLs in what you said (one beginning "http://" and the other "www.") [03:57] heh, I can bitch about it, it's my own creation [03:59] MLanden: hey, that's cool! [03:59] wonder if the guitar isn't supposed to be louder in the mix (seems like the whole thing's clipped/compressed) [04:00] slava_dp: that was exactly the list o' changes I was lookin for [04:00] heya schoolyard's|Harrold [04:00] err Urchlay [04:01] Urchlay, poor recordings 'round the web...somethin' on limited recordin' capability in that area at the time [04:01] MLanden, I've heard of deadbeef, never tried it though, I've been using mpd + Ario lately. [04:03] fire|bird, ario's works nicely with mpd [04:04] hey, fixers|innovation [04:04] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-98.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [04:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:04] MLanden, yeah, it's a very nice app. [04:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:05] we had to throw out some deadbeef today, it had been in the fridge too long :( [04:05] yeah, i hate when beef is dead [04:05] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:07] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [04:07] fhobia, so, instead of fried and on a plate, you prefer it still part of the cow? :P [04:07] I got 0xDEADBEEF at a 0xBADDCAFE once [04:07] XD [04:07] lol [04:07] lol [04:07] ...that was valid hex [04:08] was it brought to you by a 0xCAFEBABE? [04:08] lol [04:08] did you send it back because it was 0xBADF00D? [04:08] 0xB00B5 ? [04:08] Urchlay, SiegeX said 0xBADDCAFE, so it was probably brought by 0xCHUBBYDUDE [04:08] bwhaha [04:09] 0xCAFEBABEs tend to have 0xB00B135, yes [04:09] Urchlay: no, because the waitress was a 0xBABE [04:09] fire|bird, hex fail - at least SiegeX kept it in range :) [04:09] alisonken1noc, haha, oh well. [04:09] 0xDDB00B5 [04:09] 0xD00D works, I can't think of a synonym for chubby that works [04:10] damn it, you already said the babe one [04:10] fire|bird, to keep in range....0xC4661D00D..:) [04:10] caggidood? [04:10] alisonken1noc, for that, I'm going to start making AgentAnderson convert everything said into hex. :) [04:10] 1101 1110 1010 1101 1011 1110 1110 1111 [04:11] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:11] the odd part was I think she was into some crazy skat fetish because she 0xDEFEC8ED on my plate [04:11] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.86) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:11] if I were drinking milk, I would have just spewed it out my nose... [04:11] hah [04:11] hex is for pussies. binary bitches. [04:11] I am in fact drinking vodka, I think my nosehairs just melted [04:11] hah [04:11] uh thats "Binary, bitches!" [04:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:12] rsyncing directories with >1,000,000 files is *not* fun. [04:13] nobody uses octal anymore, thats more hardcore [04:13] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.22) joined ##slackware. [04:13] SiegeX: Fuck it.. lets all change to base 7 and confuse the shit out of everyone [04:13] back in my day, we didn't have yer fancy rsync! we had to chisel our data on stone tablets... but first we had to quarry the stone! [04:13] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:13] ah yes, the good old days [04:13] chips in your hair and dust in your teeth [04:15] you could actually move data around pretty well on stone tablets, the Rocs hadn't gone mythical yet [04:16] latency was awful but lots of bandwidth (assuming the roc didn't get eaten by a dragon. Today's mission-critical data is tomorrow's dragon shit...) [04:16] just don't be underneath while they're flying :) [04:17] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [04:17] alisonken1noc, or in front in case the data wasn't compiled nicely in the belly [04:18] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:19] bleah, whoever said base 7, do you remember how to get bc to display stuff in weird bases? [04:19] Action: SiegeX put his stone tablets in his bag of holding for easier transport [04:19] or is it dc? supports ibase and obase [04:20] don't try to put your portable hole inside your bag of holding... [04:21] talso (~talso@S01060005692ce3b5.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:21] echo "ibase=10; obase=7; 7" | bc [04:22] talso (~talso@S01060005692ce3b5.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:22] actually, you don't need the ibase as it defaults to base 10 [04:25] Action: SiegeX creates the bag of holding universe theory [04:27] now why doesn't that work if I run bc interactively... [04:27] oh, because I can't type [04:28] haha [04:28] awww, it won't let me have ibase/obase over 16 [04:29] Urchlay: sure it will [04:29] 22 seems to get converted to binary though [04:29] ibase=36 [04:29] Runtime warning (func=(main), adr=6): ibase too large, set to 16 [04:29] hmm.. maybe just the obaso [04:29] hmm.. maybe just the obase [04:29] morning lads o/ [04:30] seems the bases are programmed rather than derived [04:30] phrag: morning [04:30] heya phrag [04:30] phrag: happy one it is too [04:30] mornin' [04:30] yah, what I wanted was to enter a message consisting of [0-9a-z], treated as a base 36 number, and convert it to base 35 or so [04:30] Zordrak: \o/ how so? [04:30] phrag: 13 years of fascist totalitarianism is over. [04:31] Action: Urchlay awaits the punch line [04:31] Urchlay: no punchline.. change in UK government [04:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:32] ah [04:32] ahh..Brown's ground? [04:32] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:32] who's out and who's in, for those of us not paying attention? (I can't even keep track of politics in my own country...) [04:33] Labour (Socialist Left) Out. Conservative & Liberal Democrat Coalition In. [04:33] Primarily conservative [04:34] Liberal Democrats brought in to push them over the winning line (uk has First Past The Post not Proportional Representation) [04:34] http://news.bbc.co.uk/ [04:35] Zordrak, greetings. ukrainian politics sucks donkey balls at the moment. although, it always did 8-( [04:35] hm. People in the US who go by the names "liberal" and "conservative" don't even seem to be able to acknowledge each others' humanity, so I guess congratulations are in order [04:36] slava_dp: i feel you. For 13 years we've been being trodden on by people who pretend they are liberal but govern like the USSR. Finally we have freedom. [04:36] Urchlay: indeed, thanks. [04:36] conservatives think liberals are communists, and liberals think conservatives are fascists, and I think they're all crooked (you can tell a politician is lying because his lips are moving) [04:36] hmm, well bit sick of Labour tbh, something fresh might be nice [04:38] What we have now is absolutely the best we could have hoped for. A conservative government to sort out all the problems Labour caused and not worrying about being unpopular when hard decisions need to be made, but with a sprinkling of Liberal Democrat policy to keep the Conservatives on track with regard to certain important basic liberal principles. [04:39] the US hasn't had anything like what you could call a coalition government in... 150 years? (before the civil war anyway?) [04:40] We,ve not had a *stable* coalition government in about as long. [04:40] We had one in '74 but it didnt last long. [04:40] used to be, our president was the guy who won the election, and the vice president was the guy who lost [04:40] This one is set to go the distance. [04:40] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:40] pouet [04:40] pwhat? [04:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [04:41] http://www.pouet.net/index.php ? [04:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:41] I remember that site [04:42] Ongavezerke (~d5dea7f9@gateway/web/freenode/x-pefcanbzfkkvqzqt) joined ##slackware. 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[05:21] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [05:22] afaic, they are all as corrupt as each other, and the Prime Minister is only the public facing puppet of the shadowy controllers [05:25] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:32] WildWizard (michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:84ea:543d:94d0:142) left ##slackware. [05:32] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [05:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:35] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [05:35] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [05:36] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:2c6a:4571:1c1b:f9d0) joined ##slackware. [05:44] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [05:44] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. 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[05:57] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [05:58] guys i see on twitter that and other slack users have something like this....why? http://twitpic.com/1n3xp2 [05:59] lol, must kde for windows [05:59] s/must/must be/ [06:00] lol [06:01] no,its a fake website.....but why happends on slack? [06:01] a fake website? [06:01] Zordrak: i trust your view point.. to be honest, i didnt really knwo what any of them stood for anyway [06:01] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.195) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:01] looks more like a remote session (vnc) in browser [06:01] v4nelle: its all just pop-up ads made to look like Windows windows [06:01] what does this have to do with slackware? [06:02] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:02] he is running gslapt [06:02] and the kde3 theme for firefox :-/ [06:02] omg, wtf is gslapt [06:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:02] slapt-get gui? [06:02] phrag: basically yes [06:02] phrag: a fail on a fail [06:02] gslapt: Gnome Slapped Troll (probably) [06:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slapt-get [06:02] phrag, after fresh installation,and 5minute of use it epears to me [06:03] and without gslapt :p [06:03] Nick change: SkyTV -> Skywise [06:03] v4nelle: no one here would recommend slapt-get or gslapt [06:03] i dont use gslapt....i find this photo on twitter :) [06:03] i suggest staying away from the malicious url that is trying to serve you the malware [06:03] and use links for browsing :-) [06:04] :) [06:04] also, why does it say, you have chosen to open packupdate.exe.. are you executing malware with wine under slack? [06:04] nope [06:04] wine viruses ftw! [06:04] i dont have wine [06:04] native exe support in the linux kernel ftw! :-) [06:05] so all that windows crap on the screen is just web based? [06:05] iframes and what not [06:05] yeap phrag [06:05] n37w01k3r (~netwolker@151.53.32.192) joined ##slackware. [06:05] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-132.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:05] thats.. worrying [06:05] vincen (~chatzilla@222.70.22.7) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.4/20100503122926] [06:06] also, realsafe-23.net doesnt sound.. real safe =P [06:06] lol [06:07] the links expired after 1 hour,i think... [06:07] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-132.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:07] andrew_ (~andrew@pool-96-234-49-201.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] Nick change: andrew_ -> Guest92591 [06:08] juice (1000@67.48.16.165) joined ##slackware. [06:12] so hungry, i could eat that malware [06:13] i'm also hungry. [06:13] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:13] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) joined ##slackware. [06:13] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:23] Does anyone else find that nfs mounts in fstab very rarely get mounted because nfs mounts are being attempted before the network is fully available? [06:24] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [06:25] Zordrak: no but I have the other way around when shutting down [06:25] the network is taken down before nfs mounts aren't umounted [06:25] Odd, I've never had either problem. [06:31] hmm [06:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:32] tbh i think our switches are slow to update their arp tables [06:32] plus with the speed slack boots on fast hardware its just overtaking itself [06:32] i may have to introduce a wait [06:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Zordrak: I have seen that problem on red hat but not slackware [06:37] can you add netdev or something to the fstab entry ? [06:37] I can't remember if this will help but check it out -- it's definitley useful in some occasions [06:37] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:39] netdev? [06:41] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] What is the VNC server port? [06:44] default [06:44] 5900? [06:44] 5900 + the DISPLAY. So if you're running vnc as :1 it's 5901. [06:44] adamk_: tnx [06:47] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:48] zarock: man mount [06:48] it explains it in there [06:48] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:50] MoZes: ? [06:51] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:51] MoZes: uh ok you mean Zordrak :) [06:53] oh yeah [06:53] Action: MoZes wouldn't have notived [06:53] noticed [06:53] kkta [06:54] wil/l look into it, but not sure if it will help as i think its at the point the net has been activated, but routing to server is not yet availbale [06:55] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [07:00] ayaz (~ayaz@linuxpakistan/ayaz) joined ##slackware. [07:00] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. 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[08:48] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:49] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:50] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-80.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:54] I want to be in zone5 [08:54] I want more RAM! [08:54] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] that problem I don't think I have. [08:55] total used free shared buffers cached [08:55] Mem: 12293484 6961396 5332088 0 269896 6042736 [08:55] -/+ buffers/cache: 648764 11644720 [08:55] Channel flood from Absenth -- kicking [08:55] Swap: 94590712 0 94590712 [08:55] Absenth kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:55] Absenth (~lars@75-30-81-143.lightspeed.nbvlin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] oops [08:58] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:01] I currnetly have 4GB, I want 2*4GB more [09:01] but too expensive [09:01] liek 240 EUR [09:01] 640K is all you need [09:01] git disagrees with you /o\ [09:04] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:06] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:07] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:08] well, gonna give arch a try on my spare hard drive [09:08] oops. wrong channel [09:09] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:10] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] does anyone else miss http://google.com/ie page? [09:10] nope [09:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.239.116) joined ##slackware. [09:10] well i do [09:11] Nick change: guax -> SOUL_OF_GUAX [09:11] never knew about it. [09:11] ah [09:11] what was it? [09:11] Kyril__ (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645754.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:11] brief google frontpage, no bells [09:11] try it [09:11] Nick change: SOUL_OF_GUAX -> guax [09:12] try what? heh [09:12] http://google.com/ie [09:12] yeah, i went there and it asks me to install ie8 . :) [09:13] same for me. what's the point? [09:13] yea, that's new since yesterday [09:13] they changed it [09:13] explorer optimized for google? wtf? don't they support firefox anymore? [09:13] Kyril__ (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645754.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:14] or chrome, whatever [09:14] it's supposed to be a simpple search page [09:14] but surely not explorer [09:14] no bells, nor whistles [09:14] when search returns, no descriptions; just links [09:14] I search from firefox search bar, accessed by F6 + Tab [09:14] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:15] SunTzu: ah, you can still accomplish that with http://www.google.com/custom?q= [09:15] it's the custom command that does it. :) [09:15] OutBound ty butbutbut (you know?) [09:16] ? [09:16] the stark no bells page [09:16] this sucks [09:16] gmailfail [09:16] www.google.com/custom ? [09:16] google.com/ie?q=query [09:16] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:17] It gives that message even when using IE8. [09:17] adamk, yea, changed yesterday [09:17] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:17] and i used it exclusively [09:18] too bad they didnt check the usage apparently [09:18] usage meter for the page. [09:18] heh, i hope i wasnt the only user [09:18] Action: slava_dp points at adamk_. <-- "he is using windows!" :-) [09:18] hehe [09:19] SunTzu: how was it different than custom? i'm a little confused, i never used the ie page. [09:19] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [09:19] OutBound not sure yet but /ie page has nothing on it but search field, then returns only anchor list, no descriptions, no ads. [09:21] SunTzu: okay, i understand. yeah. custom does show the descriptions. just removes the pictures and video links. I use adblock so not sure about ads. [09:21] yeah, it shows ads. :D [09:21] ah hah! found another plaint by someone els [09:22] lol he wrote almost the same thing as I did, but mine was terser [09:22] he got an answer too [09:23] let me guess. microsoft paid them [09:23] http://google.com/search?output=ie [09:23] fucking longer too [09:23] haha [09:23] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:25] ok; there's funi stuff readable from my /s/, http://google.com/search?output=ie for "google.com/ie" [09:25] se the "strange links on google" anchor 4th [09:25] se/see [09:27] rob0 (rob0@tuxaloosa.org) left ##slackware ("afk a few days"). [09:28] http://tinyurl.com/ieieieie XD [09:28] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-226.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] heh is that an actual url? [09:28] yep. [09:29] kool [09:29] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:29] >google: ya bastards! gime back my ie page [09:30] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Kyril__ (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645754.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:30] i hate this verbosity; terrible in console [09:31] http://tinyurl.com/iiiie [09:31] only 4 chars longer than original [09:32] Kyril__ (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645754.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Guest92591 (~andrew@pool-96-234-49-201.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:32] but the wrong page is shown; it aint brief anymore [09:33] Action: slava_dp doesn't care. even have search preview extension to show pretty pictures. [09:33] and the alledgedly context-sensitive ads on the side are just plain wrong [09:33] slava_dp yea, that's kool; which app is that? [09:34] firefox + search preview.... [09:34] it's not a distinct js tool? [09:37] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. 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[09:54] guaxinim (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [09:54] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:55] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Disconnected by services [09:55] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [09:56] adamk_ (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:56] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:58] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [09:59] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:00] niels__horn (~bb596203@gateway/web/freenode/x-xaboqcgvhwrbvzxu) joined ##slackware. [10:02] sheytan (~sheytan@aejv181.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:02] hi there [10:02] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@92.250.52.70) joined ##slackware. [10:02] i need to install/compile docbook. Can't find any sources and slackware packages. any ideas [10:02] ? [10:03] still having problems to install fontforge [10:03] =( [10:05] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:06] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:07] yuravk (~yura@194.44.160.178) joined ##slackware. [10:08] sheytan: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/linuxdoc-tools/ [10:09] Hi. Does anybody have an experience with installing Slackware 13.0 64-bit as paravirtualized Xen DomU ? [10:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.239.116) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:10] gtludwig: SBO .. [10:10] *SBo [10:10] yeah! trying that [10:10] ah, fixed that Terminal issue [10:11] Kaapa: go on.. [10:11] andrew_ (~andrew@pool-96-234-49-201.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Nick change: andrew_ -> Guest1747 [10:12] I followed alienBOB's multilib how to, but can't get fontforge to install... [10:12] edit ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc and on the "Term=" line, just add "linux" [10:12] Nick change: xchg_chrape -> xchg [10:12] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Kaapa: why isnt it pulling it from the shell env? [10:12] must be some new property that they store there and for some reason didn't get a sane default [10:13] Zordrak: well, it's the shell itself [10:13] but should come with a decent value [10:13] hm [10:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:17] eightyeight (~88@oalug/member/pdpc.supporter.monthlybronze.eightyeight) joined ##slackware. [10:17] i do not have an install of slack available to me, but i'm curious what the default umask is for the latest release? [10:18] i think niels__horn had some kind of problem with that the other day too. iirc the TERM value always changed to linux every time he visited the terminal settings [10:18] eightyeight: 022 as always [10:18] sahko: thx [10:19] sahko: does slackware use user private groups, or put all newly added users in the 'users' group? [10:19] you have to use adduser [10:19] fail to that [10:19] adduser asks you if you want to use users as the default group [10:20] sahko: or useradd [10:20] right, but does the newly added user get a private group of which he is the only member after his name, or added to the general 'users' group [10:20] sinuhe: not a fan of useradd tbh [10:20] managing the passwd file is so ridiculousnly easy i can neven understand people bothering with adduser/useradd [10:20] sinuhe: ! :) [10:20] eightyeight! [10:20] eightyeight: general usergroup. [10:20] BP{k}: thx [10:20] blue 42 [10:20] put in an entry and run pwconv. Simple as. [10:20] eightyeight: although it's pretty easy to just make your own usergroup and such. [10:20] if youre scared about boning it.. use vipw [10:21] BP{k}: understood. just curious [10:21] eightyeight: Default is no private group. Use the same modifications we've done with SUSE for adding the private group scheme. (Or use adduser as previously indicated.) [10:21] sinuhe: perfect. thx [10:21] bah [10:22] sinuhe: although adduser calls useradd it works much better [10:22] vipw [10:22] vigr [10:25] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:25] Zordrak it doesn't help. I'm trying to compile KDE from trunk [10:26] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:26] sheytan: manually or with the SlackBuild? [10:27] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Zordrak, i installed that package. But already got something from a dude, that made it to work :D [10:28] O_o [10:28] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:30] Kaapa: sahko: The best way is to edit the terminalrc and set the terminal type to "xterm" or "xterm-color". [10:31] Leaving it as "linux" can cause some strange side-effects like "less" or "vim" hanging, [10:31] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:31] btw, sorry for the delay, I'm sort of "off-line", using the web interface... [10:39] niels__horn: so you managed to solve the problem? [10:40] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-80.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:41] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] sahko: no, only by editing the terminalrc file manually... I'm not at home this week, so I can't investigate more. [10:41] something has changed recently, because this problem started after the last XFce update [10:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [10:54] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) joined ##slackware. [10:54] bon jovi mon slackers [10:59] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:01] sheytan (~sheytan@aejv181.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:02] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@92.250.52.70) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:04] niels__horn: any fun with the qt package ? [11:07] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:07] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [11:07] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:07] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [11:08] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [11:10] MoZes: yeah... The "open-file-dialog" problem disappeared after a while. No idea why :) [11:10] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.42.137) joined ##slackware. [11:11] ok goodo [11:11] MoZes: I built two programs (one small, one larger) that worked fine with the qt3 package. Both are working fine [11:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:12] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:12] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:13] ok thanks. I'll call that one good then. [11:14] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) left ##slackware. [11:15] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-lypgqnncehomszut) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:18] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.150) joined ##slackware. [11:19] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:19] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:19] |Slacker| (~cris@189.64.167.230) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:20] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [11:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [11:21] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-138-150.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:21] /sni tenyear [11:22] SigmaVirus24 (WhoAmI@host-studentw-138-150.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) left ##slackware. [11:25] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] guys, anyone here uses / used dimdim? [11:27] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:33] niels__horn (~bb596203@gateway/web/freenode/x-xaboqcgvhwrbvzxu) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:40] killahsmurf (~killahsmu@c-68-46-126-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] good morning all [11:40] yuravk (yura@194.44.160.178) left ##slackware. [11:40] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-80.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: ] [11:40] stupid question ofcourse, please tell me what i might be missing... [11:42] i just installed slack64-current a couple hours ago, and wanted to upgradepkg amarok-2.3.0.90... the only thing is, after that pkg is upgraded (from /testing), when i go to run the command i get an error saying that file or directory does not exist [11:43] so, ok fine, i go back to amarok 2.3.0 (after removing the latest pkg i just installed, and still the same thing! [11:44] the part im confused about is that the /usr/bin/amarok does indeed exist [11:44] ive hit up linuxquestions.org/google and found nothing relating to this issue [11:45] mind you, it doesnt apply to just amarok, its with pkgs in general [11:46] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:46] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@89.214.57.118) joined ##slackware. [11:49] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:49] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [11:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:53] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:54] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:56] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] neuro_sys (~neuro@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. 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[12:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:11] killahsmurf: no [12:11] :( [12:12] i am [12:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:12] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:12] though i'm probably going to kill you too now. [12:13] OutBound: were you able to read any of my last question? [12:13] oh noes, i dont like death [12:13] i read up until you said stupid question then figured it was probably one so I quit [12:14] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:14] k, thanks for the attempted help then [12:14] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] nah, just joking. i do not have experience with amarok or slack64 though, what file did it say wasn't found? [12:15] a lib or amarok itself? [12:15] amarok itself [12:15] the problem isnt just with amarok [12:16] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] it applies to any package i remove/reinstall [12:16] you ran from terminal? [12:16] maybe you install 32-bit packages for your 64-bit system? [12:16] absolutely [12:16] adrien (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:16] yeah, you need multilib for that killahsmurf [12:16] 64 != 32 [12:17] hrmmmm [12:17] if you overwrite a 64-bit package with a 32-bit package, and you don't have multilib, you will not be able to start the executables [12:17] ill brb then [12:17] you'll just get "file not found" [12:18] you might be right,i may have dled from the wrong directory [12:18] ill have at it now [12:18] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:18] killahsmurf: i've made the same mistake on an upgrade once. not pretty [12:18] blerg (~5c8c40d1@gateway/web/freenode/x-vpivhexksbaefoqd) joined ##slackware. [12:18] yeah, me too :) [12:18] yeah. pain in the bash. ;) [12:19] hah [12:19] ukh (~ukh@brisbane.svansen.se) joined ##slackware. [12:21] well, hot dog man. that was it [12:21] lol [12:21] good call gentlemen [12:21] if i wasnt already bald, i wouldve pulled my hair out [12:21] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:23] note to self: keep in mind we now rock the 64bit version -_- [12:24] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:24] killahsmurf: note to self to pay attention. [12:24] rock the casbah [12:25] killahsmurf: with all due respect. :) [12:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [12:26] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:26] as even the great OutBound (master of the universe) hast fell victum to ones own deceit. Damn you Skelator! [12:26] hehe [12:26] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:26] brb, gentlemen, thanks again [12:26] killahsmurf (~killahsmu@c-68-46-126-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:27] hi, for a SlackBuild package, can I use a patch file, that will be applied before the compilation? [12:27] xMDKx: sure [12:27] OutBound: nice! thanks [12:28] should I update to GPG v.2? [12:28] v2. [12:30] what's the difference? [12:30] dunnp [12:30] dunno [12:31] GnuPG 2.0 is the new modularized version of GnuPG supporting OpenPGP and S/MIME [12:31] gpg1 also suport opnpgp and smime [12:32] the issue is how the crypto stuff is linked or not [12:32] The Version: line in my pubkey can be changed by editing the file? [12:33] I don't like it because it discloses my os [12:33] my point was before wondering if you should change, you should investigate the differences. [12:33] ok [12:33] who cares if they know you use linux [12:34] i care' [12:34] Azeotrope: travel to any website and they can detect your OS [12:34] i know, but i'm changing daily my user agent [12:35] um.. it's only the internet [12:35] don't be so damned paranoid [12:36] adrien (~adrien@ns.armedbsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:37] blerg (5c8c40d1@gateway/web/freenode/x-vpivhexksbaefoqd) left ##slackware. [12:37] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.42.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:37] adrien: armedbsd? You mean someone gave those crazies WEAPONS?! WE'RE DOOMED [12:38] eviljames: I'm gonna kill you =) [12:38] oh wait, I don't need to [12:38] you're gonna die in shame after losing once again tonight =) [12:38] s/in/of/ [12:38] NO. Les Habitants cannot lose tonight [12:38] both maybe? in and of? [12:39] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.41.108) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Probably. I guess there's really no shame in losing to the defending champions. But it sure would be great to whoop their arse [12:39] I also use trackmenot, Tor, I2P, 4096 bit keys for my virtual machines, irssi + ssl, pidgin and OTR, /home encryption, long, different, random pass for every account, different GPG keys for all my e-mails and I do not store anything personal on my pc. I even save irssi archive to know what I have said [12:39] I'm pretty sure they're safe ;-) [12:42] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:45] and i found an anonymous way of paying for hosting, ssl, and dns. all anonymous [12:45] Does it require a tinfoil hat to make sure no one knows you intend to pay for things? [12:46] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:47] Azeotrope: still stupid if you ask me [12:47] why? [12:47] why would you need to do all that? [12:47] privacy [12:48] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] er [12:48] have at it [12:48] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-165-191.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:48] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:49] i just doubt anything you do is worth much to anyone. [12:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:49] overkill to say the least [12:49] That's my answer, too... nobody is really looking at my transactions, they're boring. [12:50] Not that I think anyone should have any *right* to look at my action/transactions. [12:50] So I applaud your privacy stance.. [12:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] oh, i don't use banking, or e banking, don't have a credit card [12:50] never had, never will [12:50] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [12:51] just that no one cares. just don't piss people off. because no matter how much security/privacy you think you have they will just use a software exploit to harrass you box. [12:51] Azeotrope: do you have a beard? [12:51] haha [12:51] no. why? [12:51] damn! [12:51] no, nothing =/ [12:52] OutBound: i hope not [12:53] im really curious, how do you pay for all that anonymously with no bank or cards? do you cut out ransom-style notes and pay in cash with unmarked bills under a pseudonym? [12:53] Azeotrope: anyway. To each their own though. Those things do not make you safer per say because someone "after you" will probably know all that info anyway. [12:54] lo, i'm not on fbi's wanted list [12:54] rahaha: bitcoins [12:55] just slows down your normal network travels heh [12:55] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:56] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-37.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Hello, all! [12:57] hi [12:58] well, when America turns into a police state in 5 years when the economy finally dies [12:58] thats really interesting azeotrope [12:59] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:59] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:00] well, the value of the dollar is going to drop [13:00] all the crazies will come out, then it might be good to be private [13:00] it's inevitible [13:01] I'm fleeing to Greenland anyway, and starting my own Internet. [13:01] hahah I'll go out on a limb and say it: "Never gonna happen." [13:01] mtkoan: your own internet? with blackjack? and hookers? [13:01] yea :) [13:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.239.116) joined ##slackware. [13:01] not sci fi. it's fact that when money is created to pay loans though have higher interest added to pay off the loans of the loans.. etc.. it will fail. [13:02] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:02] a weak dollar is good for america [13:02] how's that? [13:02] it makes exports cheaper and imports more expensive [13:02] Skywise: when Americas economy is bad.. the whole worlds economy is bad. [13:02] you can have a weak dollar and a good economy [13:03] example? [13:03] china goes thru great lengths to artificially depress the value of the yen so that its attractive to manufacture in china [13:03] though they are also an oppressive society [13:04] peterss (~gaz@212.183.140.18) joined ##slackware. [13:04] and people work for 2$/day [13:04] a strong dollar is only good for tourists abroad which is bad for the domestic economy [13:04] a tourist gets things for cheap, but they're spending money overseas instead of domestically [13:04] Skywise: you are showing signs of life though no examples which make sense. [13:05] china didn't seal the deal? [13:05] Skywise: a lower dollar value only helps those with stock in physical goods [13:05] its basic economics [13:05] azeotrope: how do you browse on the tor network anyway, its awfully slow. using lynx? [13:05] when the dollar is cheap it becomes cheaper to buy domesic rather then import [13:05] Skywise: the conversation has surpassed basic economics.. [13:06] Skywise: if it were basic economics we wouldn't have the problem. [13:06] can any tell me ive install virtualbox and my external ip is 192.168.1* and i setup vbox ip as 172.16.56.* will they work if i route from VM's to eth0 192.168.1.10 <-external interface ? [13:06] the value of the dollar doesnt mean too much in everyday life as long as it changes at a rate with which your (everyone's) income can adjust to [13:06] but i'm saying a weak dollar isn't bad [13:06] we want a weak dollar, then more foreign money will come to the country because its a bargain [13:06] mtkoan: I don't use it for every website. it's very slow but that's the price... [13:07] the cost of living doesn't change too much in relation to the value of a dollar [13:07] peterss: your external ip is not 192.xxx.xxx.x [13:07] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [13:07] well im going through a router OutBound [13:07] Skywise: it's the broader point you are missing. [13:07] OutBound, Skywise: crazy economics belongs in ##slackware-offtopic when there are on-topic q's :D [13:07] eviljames: i agree. thanks [13:07] but when a pair of domestic socks cost less then imported socks, then people will tend to buy domestic socks [13:08] peterss: VBox is pretty good at giving compatible ips for network interpolarity [13:08] and the domestic sock maker gets more orders and produces more product and because the weak dollar won't buy much foreign cotton, they buy domestic cotton and the benefit gets passed along [13:09] peterss: 172.16.56.* looks like the external ip [13:09] well my router uses 192.168.1.0/24 so i had to change VBox ip [13:09] Skywise: take it to off-topic. :) [13:09] OutBound, what would you use ? [13:09] i will never go there, but i'll drop the topic [13:09] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:10] lol Skywise, why not? [13:10] peterss: there was a lot of chatter.. i don't understand the problem you are facing. What's the problem? [13:10] theres no one there but tumbleweeds and i can't i care enough to hang out there [13:11] i can't say i care.. [13:11] lol [13:11] tumbleweeds [13:11] anyone running Zimbra on a slackware box? [13:11] it's amusing [13:11] mtkoan: i do. but rarely [13:11] azeotrope: really, it compiled ok and all? [13:12] basically my host wont let VM's out im using firehol and tried the small script in /etc/rc.d/modules ..ip-masquerade basically [13:12] yea, but i don't like it, it's like an web-interface and all [13:12] wasnt sure it was ip i was using for VMs or my firewall config [13:12] I don't care for it much either, but my company needs an open-source groupware/mailserver solution [13:13] peterss: hmm. did you open your router up to the ports? [13:13] peterss: i haven't much experience with vbox networking though when i have i had no problem with the default ip getting through. then again I wasn't using firehol [13:14] well im going through my desktop ..im using a 3g modem ...so my desktop is gateway ...that works fine with my laptop i have VBox install [13:14] but my VM can get out on net [13:14] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [13:15] i tried same firehol config i used to desktop but no luck [13:16] i wish i could help more though have no experience with firehol.. you sure that the correct ip addresses are forwarded? moreso that the correct subnets are used because VBox uses 255.255.0.0 if i remember and maybe firehol is using 255.255.255.0 ? [13:17] yeah ill have another look normally i use nat [13:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.239.116) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:18] hope you get it solved. let me know when you do. [13:18] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:19] i'm sure someone has had the same issue in here if you ask again later when more active. [13:19] kind of early for slackers anyway. ;) [13:19] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] have you checked that its using the right interfaces? [13:20] try swapping the ethernet port [13:20] yeah Skywise i can ping host from VM and hosts can get out on net [13:20] host* [13:21] have you looked at iptables -vnL to see what rules the packets are hitting? [13:22] no im not tried that [13:22] ill will [13:22] on VM yeah [13:22] how are you checking the vm's net? is it a dns problem? [13:22] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@89.214.57.118) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:22] rahaha, i tried using bind just same [13:24] are you accepting packets from localhost? [13:24] i just booting VM up ......how to test that Skywise ping localhost [13:25] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [13:25] or try to connect to localhost with telnet or something similar [13:25] ok will try that [13:25] host is slackware and guest is slackware [13:27] i can telnet localhost [13:27] must be my firewall on host [13:27] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:27] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:27] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:28] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:29] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:29] peterss: you will get it. :) [13:30] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [13:30] yeah bit of head scratching before :) [13:31] have you done a tracert from the vm? [13:31] no [13:31] just that command [13:32] er, no its traceroute in linux [13:32] traceroute [13:33] k [13:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:33] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [13:33] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [13:34] has anybody here installed Koha on Slackware 13? [13:34] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:35] garme (~garme@189-93-187-120.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-165-24.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-80.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:37] guys does somebody knows a minimal installation? What are the needed packs? [13:38] diskset a [13:38] diskset n [13:39] garme: define "minimal installation" [13:39] you prolly need ap for basic applications, and you need d if you wanna compile software [13:39] but a is the minimal install [13:39] n is for networking [13:39] You can get _really_ small installs with Slackware, but they won't do much. [13:39] you can use a menu to pick and choose what to install [13:40] You can even avoid installing all of the a series and still have a working system. [13:40] no glibc? [13:40] Skywise: I mean you don't have to install the entire a series. [13:40] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [13:40] oh ok [13:41] Skywise, you can use 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.56.0.* for each interface ? ...thats not my problem ? [13:41] Sajmon (~simon@85.134.53.101) joined ##slackware. [13:41] Hi all! [13:41] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [13:41] peterss the 2nd example won't work at all, it should look like the first [13:42] 172.16.0.* [13:42] for vboxnet0 [13:42] 192.168.56.0/24 [13:42] I have a problem with starting x. Slackware freezes when i "startx". The desktop displays, but then nothing else is happening. [13:42] for vboxnet0 ? [13:43] I just installed Slackware 13 in virtualbox. [13:43] Sajmon: Probably need the virtualbox gfx driver [13:43] or to set it to vesa [13:43] What eviljames said. [13:44] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:44] fools seldom differ, QED [13:44] ok, i had the 64-bit version installed before and it worked perfectly, but this time i installed the 32-bit version [13:45] my question is Skywise my dhcpd server gives my VBox host 192.168.1.0/24 ..can i use 192.168.56.1 for my vboxnet0 ? [13:45] peterss, i'd keep all your virtual interfaces on the same subnet [13:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Sajmon, You can always enable ssh on on the guest and ssh in to see what's showing up in /var/log/Xorg.0.log [13:46] your dhcp server prolly has a range of ips it will allocate from, usually like from .100 - .200 [13:47] ok, i'll try something out. i have no experience with ssh, but i'll figure something out. thanks [13:47] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [13:47] but using vboxnet0 192.168.56.1 will work with 192.168.1.0/24 [13:47] you can use another address from that subnet but outside of that range [13:47] no, [13:47] 192.168.56.1 isn't in 192.168.1.0/24 [13:47] It's in /16 [13:47] yes [13:47] what would you use ? [13:47] ah, nerdversations. [13:47] But the whole class is /16 [13:48] like 192.168.1.20 [13:48] or why not assign your vbox ip with dhcp too [13:49] then you don't have to mess around so much [13:49] but my external host interface uses 192.168.1.0/24 ...can i use 192.168.1.20 for vboxnet ? [13:49] Well anywho, I'm thinking of joining the Church of Subgenius. [13:49] loser [13:49] ? [13:49] why? [13:49] peterss: Can you explain exactly what it is you're trying to do? [13:49] anyone who would join a church is lame [13:49] my external host gets ip from my desktop(dhcpd server) [13:49] a real believer has a schism and forms their own church in protest [13:50] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-197426.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Alan_Hicks, i want a seperate subnet for my VM's (a lan) my host external interface gets 192.168.1.0/24 [13:51] with virtualbox [13:51] Gotcha. [13:51] oh i wasn't clear on that [13:51] YOu need to use another subnet unless you want to do something like ARP routing, and that's gonna be beyond your abilities. [13:51] i though you were saying your vbox was blocked from going out on the net [13:51] You can use 192.168.2.0/24 if you want. [13:51] garme (~garme@189-93-187-120.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:52] But you will have to configure netfilter to forward packets from the internal virtual interface to the real NIC. [13:52] Alan_Hicks, i tried 192.168.56.0/24 ? [13:52] slava_dp (~slava_dp@109.162.120.163) joined ##slackware. [13:52] peterss: That's sufficient. [13:52] i could get out to net ...must be my firewall [13:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-165-24.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:52] couldnt* [13:53] "anyone who would join a church is lame"<----This is a different kind of Church. [13:53] I'm too lazy to form a schism. [13:53] sheep [13:53] Have one, rather. [13:53] no [13:53] peterss: Possibly. You also have to enable packet forwarding in the kernel. echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwarding or something like that. [13:53] I don't have a car, for one. [13:53] Skywise: yeah, and takes their list of problems with the original church and nails it to the door. [13:54] eviljames understands [13:54] I would need that to form my own church. [13:54] Now THAT is some fervor! [13:54] I could do that. [13:54] Alan_Hicks, i tried the small script in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules that didnt work either [13:54] But as I said, I need a car for that. [13:54] i first used firehol [13:54] peterss: What does iptables -L show? Pastebin that. [13:55] ok [13:55] you should pilgrimage or at least take the bus [13:55] [13:52:41] eviljames understands<---So do I, but I don't have the means to form one. [13:55] slava_dp (~slava_dp@109.162.120.163) left irc: Changing host [13:55] slava_dp (~slava_dp@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Alan_Hicks, shall i paste my firehol script ? aswell [13:56] The bus system sucks where I live. [13:56] i was slackin before i even knew there was a church and when i found out they were copying me, i was insulted [13:56] LMAO [13:56] dbus sucks everywhere [13:56] lol [13:56] not dbus [13:56] haw [13:56] The bus that is a form of transportation. [13:57] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Of course, you could make a bus line called "dbus." [13:57] Or Slack. :P [13:57] is there a quicker pastebin than pastebin.ca ? [13:57] yes, peterss [13:57] pastebin.com [13:57] peterss: pastebin.com is pretty quick [13:58] codepad.org [13:58] rahaha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: what a beautiful day to be alive [13:58] http://localhost/ works too :) [13:59] eviljames: -1 [13:59] ok ty [13:59] SlackerD: +1 [13:59] Thanks, xsmurai! [13:59] *xsamurai [14:00] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.41.108) left irc: Quit: Going to Bed...... [14:00] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:01] comhack (~comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:01] Action: slava_dp is ircing from the cellphone - great fun :-) [14:02] Action: xsamurai pfff im irc'ing in my underware [14:03] xsamurai: +1 [14:03] Let's stop this discussion before it esculates. [14:03] lol [14:04] j0z (~j0z@189.58.130.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:04] Too bad it can not multitask. At least T9 works =} [14:04] nik0 (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [14:05] "esculates" [14:05] sweet 4.4.3! when did this happen? crap turn off irc for a few days and 13.1 goes beta. [14:06] SlackerD: I never said I could spell werth shit. [14:07] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Ping timeout: 624 seconds [14:07] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] I suspect Linus wrote basic I/O naked [14:08] *shudder* I didn't need that ghastly image in my head this morning. [14:08] thanks a lot, dick. [14:09] Sajmon (~simon@85.134.53.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:09] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Nick change: nik0 -> niko [14:09] Alan_Hicks http://pastebin.com/hqcPyPk2, [14:13] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:13] peterss: WTF man?! [14:14] This is just a workstation?! [14:14] well it's my laptop ...which uses my Desktop as GW [14:15] cmair (~cmair@host238-107-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Why in tarnation do you have such a complicated firewall on your laptop? [14:15] wow... that's one of the best sets of iptables I've seen in a while [14:15] s/best/worst/ [14:15] firehol created it [14:15] jokes aside, i usually come up with answers to any problems i have with code or setup in the bathroom [14:16] i guess its the whole mind at ease thing [14:16] niels__horn (~bd00ca05@gateway/web/freenode/x-oscgbtgsfqiuojse) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Alan_Hicks, i used the script in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules and that was no better [14:19] Axius (~fd@109.97.63.37) joined ##slackware. [14:19] hello [14:20] raha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] i was going to restart VM to use nat but host can get out on net ..so thats pointless [14:22] slava_dp (~slava_dp@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: used jmIrc [14:22] peterss: I can't even begin to debug this netfilter ruleset. [14:22] I won't even try [14:22] lol [14:22] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [14:22] damn, that's one hell of a firewall o_O [14:23] Alan_Hicks, the script in rc.modules should work ? [14:23] peterss: It's not enough. [14:23] ok [14:23] You need to start with something much, MUCH simpler. [14:24] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:24] If you can't write your own iptables rules, Eric has a generator that builds an rc.firewall for you complete with lots of comments. [14:24] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [14:24] try this one [14:24] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:25] thanks ill try that [14:25] peterss: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [14:26] Action: slava_dp wins [14:26] o/ [14:26] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-197426.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: ZzzZ [14:27] just ...i cant understand why i used the same firehol.conf file on my desktop ..and my laptop can get out on net [14:27] similar ...diff interfaces [14:29] peterss: without reading up.. any progress? [14:29] cmair (~cmair@host238-107-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:29] no yet OutBound [14:29] okay [14:29] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:30] j0z (~j0z@189.115.87.222) joined ##slackware. [14:31] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-myinyfqcyxjqfurx) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:32] interesting fact... there is no mention of the word "linux" on the front page of ubuntu.com. [14:33] Action: thrice` shrugs [14:34] Technically speaking, Linux is only the kernel. And as they are trying to maintain brand awareness without out dilution, the abscence is understandable [14:34] er absence [14:37] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:41] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:42] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] Ubuntu fails so hard. [14:42] It's become a big joke. [14:42] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [14:44] I love people who thinking ubuntu bringing linux to the masses is such a bad thing [14:45] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:45] nachox_ (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [14:45] ubuntu is fine for it's purpose. [14:45] but as a linux platform it's pretty much a joke. [14:45] thrice`: Indeed. I don't care for the distro myself, but they have done a great deal towards making Linux more accessible and accessible to more of the general computer using public [14:46] ditto. some need to get off their high horse and see the bigger picture :> [14:46] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B13D79.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] my grandparents have no problems with their ubuntu install, so to me it's a 'safe choice linux' [14:48] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:48] but I can't see myself using it. For any purpose I have, there are better options out there. [14:48] my mum didn't had issues with ubuntu either, she loves win7 more though [14:48] and I don't blame her [14:48] eviljames: it is what lindows wanted to be [14:49] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:49] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] slava_dp, what do you think its so wrong with it? [14:50] ubuntu has it's place.. although it's obvious cutting edge approach introduces bugs to the public that contribute to their opinion on Desktop Linux [14:51] i agree [14:51] nachox_, too many layers of complexity inside. too hard to fix problems when they arise (and they inevitably do). [14:51] It has serious dependency issues, though. [14:52] it has no more complexity layers than for example red hat [14:52] althouht I can apply the same to fedora. [14:52] I wouldn't know. [14:52] I've never used red hat. [14:52] nvision (~nvision@g231185240.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:52] I didn't like Debian, Fedora, or OpenSuse. [14:53] I don't like the package managers with automatic dependency handling. [14:53] and I've seen how some software is packaged for debian and ubuntu, and I didn't like what I saw. [14:53] I find them restrictive. [14:53] I mean the packaging quality. [14:54] SlackerD, but new people to linux, and the grandparents of the world, it makes sense [14:54] They add a bunch of useless dependencies to their packages, and makes the whole system bloated. [14:54] agreed [14:54] However, thrice, I would send them to OpenSuse, not Ubuntu. [14:54] Yast is a much better package manager imo. [14:55] ubuntu is uncustomisable, and even if you start from scratch with an alternate cd, software is heavily patched in order to work with gnome. thats why all other 'flavours' fail [14:55] It asks you if you want to break the package by ignoring the dependencies, but after you choose that, it leaves you alone. [14:55] it absolutely makes sense for those non computer-savvy types. but when it breaks, there are no gui tools to fix the problem (cause it's linux) and the user never opened the shell once. [14:56] Unlike apt, ehich freaks out and says, "You have n-amount of broken packages on your system!" [14:56] Indeed, salva-dp. [14:57] If they use Slackware, Arch, or Gentoo, they actually learn Linux. [14:57] to illustrate, there are no tools do check a disk for errors. so how will the user do it? he won't ever figure out. [14:57] Most people that use computers have no interest in "learning" their OS. they justb want to do thigns and have it work like their TV or VCR [14:57] I tossed a total noob on arch the other day - ie: non computer user, hated windows, never heard of linux before. [14:57] His response: "I'll never boot windows again. Thanks!" [14:58] Indeed [14:58] Arch is pretty good, except for the Package Maintainers. [14:58] They are idiots. [14:59] Good thing it's open source and you can go help maintain packages for them. [14:59] Considering you're in such a position to criticize. :D [15:00] really, my mom needs something that can start up and get to firefox [15:00] and pop up a nice display when she plugs her camera in [15:00] I could. [15:01] You have to mess with Arch Linux for several years, though. [15:02] 14:58:32] Considering you're in such a position to criticize. :D<---I've made slackware packages. [15:04] my whole family uses slackware, but i installed/configured... kde4.4 is in a nice state, much closer to what a desktop environment should be [15:04] thrice`: my mom needs a machine to play pysol and the retards from debian removed it without replacing it with pysolfc first. so it was removed from ubuntu too. so she cant use either. another use case [15:04] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:05] how do i disable vim's internal paste buffer? [15:05] rockslinux (~rockslinu@213.87.194.92) joined ##slackware. [15:06] SlackerD: he always is [15:06] nvision_ (~nvision@e179135070.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:06] echelon, why would you? [15:07] SlackerD: ignor his disposition [15:07] sahko, nice :> [15:07] SlackerD: heheh awesome. Contributed to SBo yet? [15:07] because for example, when i'm trying to paste something from another terminal, it pastes something from before [15:07] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [15:08] seriously pysolfc has 1162 card games iirc, nothing comes close [15:09] s/1162/1061 [15:09] nvision (~nvision@g231185240.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:11] i'm not sure whether that is possible or not echelon, sorry [15:11] DOgL (~DOgL@189.5.250.149) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Hi all [15:12] alema0 (~alema0@merlin.syncer.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:15] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B13D79.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:16] DOgL: allo [15:17] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:18] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] eviljames, is so quiet right now.... [15:19] lol [15:19] it was rocking & rolling in here until you arrived. must've scared everyone away [15:20] the evil one here is you... not me.. ;) [15:20] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:20] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] evil.. you should be called pussyJames instead... lil pussyJames.. lol [15:21] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.35.243) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Well, aren't we starting off on a friendly note. [15:22] blaines (~blaines@64.134.230.146) joined ##slackware. [15:23] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [15:23] phoenix-2 (~Miranda@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust213.lei3.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:23] I guess not.. ;)! But I don't really care... I am just passing trough, no offense! [15:24] hi. sorry to bother you, but I'm trying to find somewhere to help me with setting up my new slackware system. can anyone point me in the right direction please? [15:25] phoenix-2, what exactly do u want done? [15:25] what kind of direction are you looking for, be more specific! [15:26] Have u got you system installed, what is / is not working and you need assistance... [15:26] Action: slava_dp points phoenix-2 in the right direction. [15:26] crashdata: : I've installed, and got a user setup, but the screen is all messy - not fitting to my monitor. once I have that sorted, i can begin stumbling around on my own :) I tried to run xorgconfig, but it says no such command [15:27] cause there is no xorgconfig, just run startx [15:27] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:27] the screen messy -- what does that mean? [15:27] this might sound really dumb. but if you are using a vga cable to an lcd screen have you tried pressing auto [15:27] the 80x20 console? [15:28] after using slackware for about a year, it seems much easier to manage than other distros [15:28] slava_dp: , i have run startx, and the screen does not fit my monitor properly. i think i am in 1024x768, and it is too wide. I was trying to set it to 800x600, but can't find the settigns [15:28] but I don't know if I'm just myopic [15:28] what kind of monitor do you have? [15:28] crashdata: , yes, i tried AUTO, but it makes it worse! moves screen too far to the left [15:28] mtkoan, +100500 [15:29] what kind of monitor are u using? is that a TV lcd? [15:29] i am using a dell LCD 17". it works ok with my windows system [15:29] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [15:29] do u have an option to use a dvi-d cable? [15:29] or dvi [15:30] vga cables suck :> [15:30] nvision_ (~nvision@e179135070.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:30] crashdata: , unfortunatley, no, no DVI available [15:30] it's an old PC and an old monitor [15:30] can u movve the screen manually? the size i mean [15:30] i can move the screen, but not resize it, [15:31] try resizing using xrandr from X [15:31] so i was going to try changing the resolution, see if that helps [15:31] you can run X -configure as root, it'll drop an xorg.conf to /root, use that to set the resolution. [15:31] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:32] X -configure ? ok, can try that. the Slackware Project says I should have xorgconfig, but i don't:( [15:32] xorgconfig is deprecated. [15:32] or try renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf to org.conf.backup and do startx again.. [15:33] crashdata, he has no xorg.conf now. [15:33] ahhh [15:33] /s/has/shouldn't have :\/ [15:34] i don't have etc/X11 I have etc/xfce ? [15:34] phoenix-2, you can tune your console resolution by passing vga= stanza in /etc/lilo.conf. [15:34] mario____ (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [15:35] phoenix-2, you don't have /etc/X11 ? [15:35] phoenix-2, You really don't have /etc/X11/ ? [15:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:35] sorry, yes I do - dut it didn't show up, my bad [15:35] linux is case-sensitive. [15:35] do u have xorg.conf in that folder? [15:35] i have etc/X11/xorg.conf [15:36] you have an xorg.conf? where did you get it? [15:36] do mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup [15:36] remove it [15:36] slackware does not ship an xorg.conf by default [15:36] then do startx [15:36] ok, did mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup [15:37] try startx [15:37] ok, one moemnt pls [15:37] how can I direct an ip address to local host? [15:38] Eh? [15:38] /etc/hosts [15:38] what? [15:38] put an entry there [15:38] slava_dp, thats for hosts, not ips [15:38] jonsmith1982, route? [15:38] not a domain name but ip address. [15:38] OK, GUI has started up, and the screen is a little too wide for my monitor. [15:38] jonsmith1982: Add an ip to the lo interface? [15:38] man ip [15:38] thanks. [15:39] straterra, that's a nice suggestion [15:39] as you can tell, i'm pretty novice to linux/slackware. i tried before, years back [15:39] phoenix-2, define "a little too wide" and press the auto button [15:40] lol [15:40] slava_dp : - if I press auto, it makes it worse, move the screen further left. The screen is about 10% bigger than my monitor, widthwise [15:41] just try again [15:41] phoenix-2, [15:41] phoenix-2, ok, start a terminal and pastebin the output of "xrandr" [15:42] ok, have started Konsole, and run randr. not sure how to pastebin, but the 1st line seems to say i am 960x600? [15:43] open a browser, go to pastebin.com and paste the xrandr output :) [15:43] reason being i've setup port forwarding on my router and need to access localhost:80 through my wan ip web proxy works but any other way sends me to my admin interface on the router. [15:43] slava_dp : - ok, one moment [15:44] jonsmith1982, once a machine is connected to a netwrok if its setup as DHCP it should recieve a local ip [15:44] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [15:44] nvision_ (~nvision@e179135070.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:44] jonsmith1982, so once it is connected to your router type ifconfig [15:45] ok, pastebined that. as phoenix-2 randr [15:45] you should give us a link [15:45] lol [15:45] that would h]elp\ [15:45] I'm using a KVM, this is from my windows pc [15:45] infact i dont need to use wan ip, because it redirects and doesnt need access, so i can just redirect to localhost :) [15:45] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:46] thats what i shall do. [15:46] there is a simple way to create a xorg.conf... X can detect most of your basics conf and generate a xorg.conf ready to use...! Just try X -configure [15:47] The new xorg.conf is stored in the root directory.. just move it to /etc/X11 and give a try [15:47] ;o) [15:47] http://pastebin.com/kjjydwwx [15:47] don't forget to rename the file 'cause it comes like xorg.conf.new.. so you need to remove that .new! [15:48] phoenix-2, try "xrandr --size 800x600" [15:49] slava_dp : - that seems to have worked! still not quite exact, but close! [15:49] AUTO has now put it right! :) [15:49] hmm... is your computer so old that it can't do 1024x768? [15:49] don't know how I was on 960x600? odd [15:50] yah a 17" default should be 1024x768 [15:50] it shoudl do 1024x768, but i jsut tried xrandr --size 1024x768 and it said "not found in available modes" [15:50] its a ASROCk motherboard with integrated graphics (intel, i think) [15:51] pentium3 [15:51] does windows run at 1024x768? [15:51] Xorg tries to detected the monitors EDID, but the monitor could be buggy. [15:51] i am currently runing windows at 1280x1024 [15:51] then you are relatively unlucky, you'll have to provide a modeline for the monitor. [15:52] If you want a higher resolution than 1280x1024, create an xorg.conf with just a Monitor section and the modeline you want to add. [15:52] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [15:52] i won't be able to help you with that. [15:52] modeline? that is the hsync and stuff? think i recall from last time (different PC, differnt monitor) [15:52] peterss (~gaz@212.183.140.18) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] I wonder why xrandr isn't showing the output name.. Very odd. [15:53] integrated pentium3 graphics wasn't very spectacular. [15:54] slava_dp : - true. :( but i should get 1024x768? [15:54] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-184-111.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:54] phoenix-2, You'll want something like this as your xorg.conf file: [15:54] http://pastebin.com/GkCq8fBp [15:54] you definitely should get the same that you get on windows. [15:54] The modeline in there was generated by cvt. [15:54] You run 'cvt X Y refreshrate' and it will generate a modeline that you can put in that section. [15:55] phoenix i was so convinced you were my friend down the hall that i walked down to his room [15:55] windows is running on a diff. PC, with much better spec (Pentium 4, integrated nvidia) [15:55] twoshot_ : LOL! :) you in central UK? [15:55] nvision_ (~nvision@e179135070.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:55] lol no im in texas [15:56] LOL [15:56] piccardTE20 (~j@143.Red-88-25-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] twoshot_, u in dorm? [15:56] yea [15:56] lolz [15:56] miss college life hahaha [15:56] phoenix-2, no matter, if the monitor does 1280, you card should be able to do that too. [15:57] OK, now I have a screen I can actually work with, and see all of, i thnk I can muddle through the rest. thanks, all for the help. [15:57] it's great, but I got a final in 2 hours I'm going to fail though and my parents are unloading my mess of a room :/ [15:57] lol [15:58] Not necessarily. Video cards can have different limitations from the monitor. [15:58] but surely not 800x600 [15:58] that's so pentium 1 [15:58] Yes, seriously. Maybe there isn't enough video ram to run more than 800x600 at 24bit depth. [15:59] adamk: , ok i just ran cvt X Y refresh, and it gave me a modeline ... that goes in xorg.conf somewhere? [15:59] I'm not saying that's the case, or even likely, but there are definitely situations where the video card might have smaller limits. [15:59] phoenix-2, Did you see what I pastebin'ed above? [16:00] adamk : - yes, got that pastebin. thanks. couple of questions about it: [16:00] adamk : - does it matter where it goes? do i have to replace existing? [16:00] It has to be in that Section. It does not matter where in that Section. [16:00] ok, cool, thnks [16:01] It does not have to replace the one that's currently there. You can use the "PreferredMode" option I put in there to specify which resolution you want Xorg to use by default. [16:01] hi,I have a script in rc.local that emails via "/usr/local/bin/mutt -s nowOn mail@mail.com" but is not working, btw in a interactive shell it works perfectly, it could be sth about the user associated with the script? [16:01] phoenix-2, you can have an xorg.conf with just one section, i.e. not a full one. the other stuff gets autodetected by X. [16:02] piccardTE20, first, why the /usr/local/bin/ ? [16:02] slava_dp : - ok. I just looked, and have etc/X11/xorg.conf -vesa now [16:02] does that matter? [16:02] phoenix-2, That was installed with the system. You can ignore that. [16:03] slava_dp: cose i use mutt to send mais [16:03] mails [16:03] mutt is in /usr/bin in slackware. [16:03] "which mutt" [16:03] let me check it ot :) [16:04] or "type -a mutt" [16:04] |Emeau| (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-18-31.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:04] which mutt # in /usr/local/bin [16:04] thanks again for the help. I now I have a workign screen, and a method of restoring it, I can get on with breaking the rest of the system! :) [16:05] Action: slava_dp was happy to help [16:05] _slax0r_ (~fire@89.142.52.210) joined ##slackware. [16:06] rockslinux (~rockslinu@213.87.194.92) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:06] bye all. may be back with more silly questions later, if thats OK? [16:07] bye [16:07] phoenix-2, come anytime :) [16:07] bye [16:07] bring cookies [16:07] hahaha [16:07] :) [16:07] and 8 gigs of DDR2 for adrien [16:07] he really needs them [16:08] Noble (~stefan@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:08] don't we all? ;) [16:08] is mwalling still banned from here? [16:08] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-106-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Action: phoenix-2 waves, and shuffles off [16:09] phoenix-2 (~Miranda@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust213.lei3.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [16:10] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:10] BsdNeo_ (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [16:10] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:15] echelon: i wasnt aware he was? [16:18] mwalling's never been banned here. He chose not to come back. [16:18] Oh? Why? Some controversy that I had missed? [16:19] ego + too small of channel? :. [16:20] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [16:20] eviljames: Controversy isn't the only reason to not be here - I was gone for 1 1/2 years due to health... [16:20] ah true. [16:20] thrice`: I only recognize the name, don't really know anything else [16:20] hey guys, i've got an lvm2 VG with one LV.. i want to add a new LV and mount them together.. do i just mount both LV's to the same directory once part of the VG? [16:20] Some personalities don't agree with other personalities. It happens. [16:21] jkwood: I disagree with you about that. ... ... :-) [16:21] Action: slava_dp always misses interesting discussions during the american day [16:21] jkwood: I'm certain my own personality grates on the nerves of others, so I can understand that. [16:22] <_slax0r_> err...hi...yeah...where does mysqld log it's errors? [16:22] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] does it even log? [16:22] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] _slax0r_, [16:22] i thing you should enable logging in the configuration. [16:22] what is your problem with mysql [16:23] <_slax0r_> foundz it [16:23] <_slax0r_> /var/lib/mysql/yourhost.err [16:23] <_slax0r_> it's not starting :) [16:23] read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [16:24] Action: jkwood sets fire to NightTiger [16:24] <_slax0r_> solved...I copied some DBs over from a previous install and forgot to chmod [16:25] After diabetes, heart surgery, and my third bout with cancer, I don't even notice jkwood's paltry attempt... [16:25] (Yeah, I had a bad year and a half.) [16:26] Nick change: mario____ -> mario [16:26] I wonder what ever happened to dtanner [16:27] anyone heard hide or hair of that cat? [16:28] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: ^D [16:29] Axius (~fd@109.97.63.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:29] http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/d7bf/ [16:33] pi31415 (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] pim_ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:42] hello [16:43] hi [16:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-184-111.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:44] what would be a good way to get security updates via command line? [16:44] pim_, slackpkg updates [16:44] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:45] i use wget [16:45] ok both methods seem interesting [16:45] pi and then you copy/paste the url? [16:46] then to install slackpkg upgrade-all if u want [16:46] yes, wget url, and then upgradepkg filename [16:47] which ftpd would you guys say is best? [16:47] wget --no-parent -nd -A *.t?z if more than one file download and direcctory [16:47] wget --no-parent -nd -r -A *.t?z if more than one file download and direcctory [16:47] missing -r recursive on the first command [16:47] 22:42 < pim_> what would be a good way to get security updates via command line? [16:47] 22:43 < crashdata> pim_, slackpkg updates [16:47] 22:43 -!- knnk [~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] [16:47] sec0nd: i am not very picky, but vsftpd works for me [16:48] and I'd also like to have the option of ftps if possible. [16:48] yeah I was looking at that and proftpd [16:48] i do not use ftp if i can help it [16:48] scp is good enough [16:48] eddie_grey (~e@187.23.103.202) joined ##slackware. [16:48] is ftp unsecure? [16:48] usually [16:49] i guess how unsecure is it? [16:49] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:49] passwords are normally send in cleartext [16:49] sent [16:49] crashdata, I don't think ftps would be to bad [16:49] ahhh, [16:49] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrape [16:50] crashdata: 15:45 < linbot> Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp [16:50] i'm thnking of creating an ftp server [16:51] good to know [16:51] me too [16:51] actually creating one atm :) [16:51] so does slackpkg automate the installation of packages, but does not check dependencies? [16:51] crashdata, what for? [16:52] pi31415, as a backup for system for my parents and uncle [16:52] imho the only justification for ftp is firmware dependency [16:53] What is this channel's stance on swearing? [16:53] pim_, it tells u if your missing a dependencies if thats what you mean...but if you want it to automatically download dep for you, it wont. [16:53] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] slackerd, only swear if you mean it [16:53] ah [16:54] what about quotes? [16:54] do you swear to tell the truth, ... [16:54] We will hold you to any oaths you swear. [16:54] anybody running xen on slackware 13 in a production environment with kernel 2.6.24+ [16:54] I mean cussing. [16:54] quotes should include a proposal [16:54] lol [16:55] Or at least reference an RFQ [16:55] ok [16:55] did you guys know that KO was OK backwards 0.o [16:55] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-jgtjjfgbpoujqplk) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:55] "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?" [16:55] Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, Tits [16:55] "Huh?" [16:55] thre [16:55] piccardTE20 (j@143.Red-88-25-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware. [16:55] there, even [16:55] ? [16:55] Wow [16:55] hahaha [16:55] noooooooooo [16:55] shotgun approach [16:56] oohh alphageek said a bad word [16:56] slackboy, attack [16:56] sec0nd: what, "thre"? [16:56] typo [16:56] "Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke!" [16:56] lol [16:56] yeah, which makes it a bad word [16:56] joke or fuk? [16:56] lol [16:56] you did forget "barbara streisand" though [16:56] "Do you have to swear so much, dude?" [16:56] hey.. if George Carlin can get away with it, so can I [16:56] Indeed [16:56] Ubuntu licker [16:57] George Carlin was a fucking legend. [16:57] indeed [16:57] -_- [16:57] he made is life off of trashing someone elses religion [16:57] thats like me making a living off just trashing atheist [16:57] isn't that like beating up on retarded people? [16:57] Action: sec0nd points at evangilist [16:57] eddie_grey (~e@187.23.103.202) left irc: [16:58] he made fun of everyone. no one was safe [16:58] "He made his life off of trashing everyone's religion." [16:58] Fixed that for you. [16:58] I loved him for that [16:58] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [16:58] including his own [16:58] did you guys know that evangilist has a list in it [16:58] Indeed [16:58] show me youtube of george carlin trashing atheist plz [16:58] Did you know that Slack has lack in it? [16:58] atheist isn't a religion [16:58] or anyway, it shouldn't be (though some people make it into one) [16:58] Did you know SlackerD has a dick in him [16:59] Urchlay: Fits the definition pretty well. [16:59] Urchlay, mhm [16:59] wait [16:59] jkwood, mhm [16:59] LMAO [16:59] That was a good one, sec0nd. [16:59] blaines (~blaines@64.134.230.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:00] i saw a usenet post the other day that said "if you believe what so-and-so says then you are incapable of thinking for yourself" [17:00] to me that smacks of the emperor's clothes [17:00] what about science? [17:00] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:00] woah, we've gone from swearing to religion now? neato [17:00] pi31415: jkwood always tells me im pretty, what about that ? [17:01] xsamurai: jkwood must consume a lot of beer [17:01] xsamurai, so does the old man on the corner [17:01] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: home [17:01] daimyo (~daimyo@c-71-199-10-216.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] xsamurai is pretty funny, but looks aren't everything. [17:02] Action: xsamurai u tell em! [17:02] lol [17:04] pim_ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:05] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-226.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [17:06] [17:00:24] xsamurai is pretty funny, but looks aren't everything.<---Cool story, Sharon. [17:07] I think you have me confused with some other but obviously ridiculously good looking person. [17:07] Sharon Osbourne is good looking? [17:08] niels__horn (~bd00ca05@gateway/web/freenode/x-oscgbtgsfqiuojse) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:08] SlackerD: uh, no [17:08] exactly, daimyo. [17:08] It was a joke. [17:09] Action: daimyo nods affirmatively [17:10] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:11] hd (jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left ##slackware ("©"). [17:12] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:12] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] QUICK! HIDE THE CHILDREN! [17:14] hey jkwood =) [17:14] Hi, nix_chix0r [17:14] -.- [17:14] hi jkwood [17:14] hi al [17:14] watcha up to? [17:14] hi alphageek [17:14] hi nix_chix0r [17:14] hi MrJackson [17:15] sec0nd, hi,hi,hi,hi [17:15] MrJackson, I can see your ips [17:15] 173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net [17:15] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@52.sub-97-27-195.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] see ^ [17:15] -.- [17:15] and? [17:15] nothing [17:15] just pointed it out :P [17:15] Just chilling out at work, trying to motivate myself to write some more code. [17:15] jkwood, where you work? [17:15] I need a job [17:15] Nick change: BsdNeo_ -> BsdNeo [17:15] well your epidermis is showing! [17:15] In college still and no one will hire me [17:16] MrJackson, indeed it is [17:16] sec0nd: We barely have room for one coder, sorry. [17:17] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:17] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:18] pim__ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:18] mcury (~mcury@189.24.151.1) joined ##slackware. [17:18] i'm seeing no colors in irssi, why could that be? [17:18] twoshot_ (~stephen@rrcs-97-77-55-31.sw.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:21] pim__: 'echo $TERM' is is set to xterm-color? [17:22] it is set to vt100 [17:22] which is a dial up modem i suppose [17:23] should i modify /etc/inittab? [17:23] pim__: i'd just try setting it manually first [17:23] pim__: export TERM=xterm-color [17:24] pim__: then irssi and see if there's color [17:25] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:25] it works [17:25] pim__: cool - now make it permanent ;) [17:26] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:26] mcury (~mcury@189.24.151.1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:27] is that supposed to go in /etc/inittab? [17:28] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [17:29] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [17:29] i mean to make it permanent? [17:29] pim__: you could just put it in your user's profile or bashrc [17:30] pim__: (bashrc if you're using bash) [17:32] is that supposed to be found in ~/.bashrc? [17:34] pim__: just do this: echo 'export TERM=xterm-color >> ~/.profile' [17:34] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:35] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:36] pim_ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:36] oops, i made a bad move in irssi there [17:36] what i did was put export TERM="xterm-color" at the end of /etc/profile [17:36] so it should work now [17:38] well thanks for the help, i'll be off now [17:38] bye [17:38] pim__ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:38] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:38] pim_ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Client Quit [17:38] wow [17:40] blatun (~blatun@p4FDD6A79.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [17:41] how to useradd a "system account" (arch linux has a -r or --system switch opposed to slackware), i guess i have to manually select a uid? [17:41] adduser.8 [17:41] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:42] blatun: Yes. [17:45] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] iptables rules wont self update depending on the status of the interface [18:03] <_slax0r_> then is rp-pppoe flushing iptables on connection by default? [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] blatun (blatun@p4FDD6A79.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [18:04] dunno the setup of rp-pppoe [18:05] but you can test the fw state iptables -L -v [18:05] after a connection is established or destroyed [18:06] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Quit: life is but a dream [18:06] you can always check the scripts for the exact details of whats happening [18:07] blaines (~blaines@172.sub-75-243-100.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. 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[18:19] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:20] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:22] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [18:24] I need some help sorting out my multilib situation. Anyone here that understands it thoroughly? Some slackbuilds build properly. Some don't. Some always build 64bit... skype segfaults immediately... no idea what's going on [18:27] wow [18:28] it was explained to me once. [18:28] its something to do with compiler pcing the right files [18:29] right build file [18:29] eycel (~eycel@67-61-15-122.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:30] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.35.243) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:31] hiptobecubic: the only thing i can say about that is i had a similar issue and i don't do multilib now.. /shrug. seemed like if i wanted multilib that i'd also have keep a 64 and 32bit version for a quite a few SBo's to have it work for various [18:31] programs that were 32bit only and 64/32bit and it got quite messy and confusing quickly. [18:31] agentc0re, ugh... not what i wanted to hear [18:32] hiptobecubic: highly possible i was doing something wrong... /shrug. it's been a while since i last tried multilib. [18:33] niels__horn (~bd00bfb2@gateway/web/freenode/x-dbdbwxkeaeptrvhc) joined ##slackware. [18:33] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.18.100.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Action: BP{k} usually keeps some vm's and chroots around to build stuff in. [18:34] eycel (~eycel@67-61-15-122.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] i think wine is what threw me over. I started needed some other packages i already had built for 64 but now needed their 32lib and iirc, that's where/when it started to get messy. [18:39] i still run multilib on my desktop [18:40] I just learned to accept it that some of the program wont run properlyy on it [18:40] but very trivial [18:44] OWnaDOr (~OWnaDOr@195.234.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:44] We just had a bad storm where I live. [18:44] Windy as hell [18:44] Lightning was crazy [18:45] I haven't had a thunderstorm here in forever [18:47] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:48] SlackerD, where about are u? [18:48] VA [18:48] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.185) joined ##slackware. [18:49] thats virginia right? [18:50] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.185) left irc: Client Quit [18:51] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:54] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [18:55] gartt: Thunderstorms are the main thing I miss about the prairies.. [18:55] Winter, on the other hand, I do not miss at all. [18:56] eviljames: I miss them about VT and NH. I'm sure not as common as where you from, but it's a joke here in Rhode Island [19:02] in vancity, we had some strong winds last month but no thunder storm [19:02] vancouver* [19:03] crashdata: you're in vancity? [19:03] yup :) [19:04] u, to? [19:04] indeed [19:04] ever been to vanlug meetings? [19:04] no [19:04] I went to 1, and it ended up being a lecture on fltk [19:04] I should've walked out and grabbed beer instead, what a waste of time [19:05] lol [19:07] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:07] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:07] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-80.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: \ [19:08] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [19:17] OWnaDOr (~OWnaDOr@195.234.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:17] eviljames i tried to organise a lug in a town, two uni's, no one answered. [19:18] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:20] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-23.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] OWnaDOr1 (~OWnaDOr@195.234.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:23] ok, i think kde development could be tightened a little [19:24] how so? [19:24] SunTzu: that's kinda sad.. but I think lugs are largely dying [19:24] well the integration with qt is not as smooth as it should be, for one. [19:24] SunTzu: Linux just doesn't seem to be the smart-ass, young upstart that it was 10 years ago. [19:25] eviljames yea; '98 i did that [19:25] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [19:25] VanLUG just had their annual general meeting (where votes & stuff happens to determine who is the head of the org. etc) and had a troubling time. [19:25] have ppl gone cyber? [19:25] Nobody was willing to pay membership dues, even to get voting rights it seemed. I think they ended up selling temporary memberships at the meetings, and refunded folks afterwards. [19:25] it's spoed to be a social group [19:25] i mean, virtual groups etc taking over live physical ones [19:25] everything else is 2nd [19:26] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: [19:29] gnome, otoh while tightly integrated, releases shit at amazing speeds [19:30] shit being the operative word there. [19:30] kde is on 6-month cycles too [19:30] mancha hehe; pick one; you like or you hate it :) [19:30] so you're constantly upgrading libs to use the latest stuff (the reqs keep getting bumped up) [19:31] evil, you think it;s shit? i am very impressed with stuff gnome's putting out, i just wish they didn't upgrade as if they were high on speed [19:31] well, both gnome AND kde are on 6-month cycles [19:32] fire|bird: ;) [19:32] thrice maybe on their majors. but gtk+2 is bumped every few weeks and if you wanna use their latest userland stuff you need the latest gtk, etc [19:32] eviljames [smartass] there is a maturity, both in users and the sw (not just kernel) [19:33] fire|bird: for having a brain of all things.. [19:33] but i still want a deGNUded dist [19:34] mancha, MAJOR gtk releases are every 6 months too; they do minor bug-fixes between, and also an un-stable branch (odd-numbered) leading up to the release [19:34] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [19:35] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [19:35] mancha: I'm a known kde fanboy, unfortunately deriding gnome is in my blood I guess :P [19:36] anyhow, I'm definitely out for a while. [19:36] go habs go! [19:36] eviljames i recently saw the org list of a uni i'm going to attend, no conservative nor linux clubs [19:37] eviljames i smell two presidencies :) [19:38] fire|bird: for having abrain bigger than a pea of all things [19:38] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:38] OutBound, fire|bird isn't even talking in here, is he? or am I losing it? [19:38] ViN86 (ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-THREE-O-TWO.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [19:39] he's not [19:39] thrice`: misstell [19:39] i chkd my /ig list [19:39] ok, I think you're losing it then :p [19:39] ok [19:39] not you :p [19:39] ViN86 what's with all the yeling of your dn? [19:39] thrice` i'm inclusive [19:39] thrice`, He's upset because I banned him in another channel so he brought his comments here. [19:39] SunTzu: no idea [19:40] ok [19:40] it's very loud [19:40] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] heh [19:40] what does it say? [19:40] IT SAYS YOUR DOMAIN NAME [19:40] heh [19:40] heh [19:40] ViN86 it says [19:40] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:40] I'M AN OZZIE [19:40] people are obsessed with caps here, don't know why [19:40] it's harder to read [19:40] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-23.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [19:41] fire|bird: not appropriate to bring up here ay? [19:41] even all the email addresses and everything default to all caps, it's strange [19:41] fire|bird: ;) [19:41] thrice` fire|bird is lurking [19:41] SunTzu: lol oh you saw Sidney? that's the building i live in haha [19:42] sydney in your dn [19:42] Action: fire|bird is now known as lurking|bird [19:42] yea [19:42] :P [19:42] fire|bird: because you used my poilital opinion to ban me [19:42] should say sidney [19:42] its the street i live on, not the city lol [19:42] ok [19:45] for those that haven't seen this yet... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1 [19:45] it's awesome news IMO. [19:46] good news [19:46] it's less awesome to read their article about how linux has shitballs graphics [19:46] I knew someone saw a script in the mac client. It looks like steam confirmed it finally though [19:47] sloin (~a@78-136-162-32.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. 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[19:51] if you're on slackware 13, the latest firefox should be in patches/ [19:51] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon129335.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [19:52] update to current entirely ? [19:52] 4.2.3 [19:52] you haven't yet said what you're trying to do [19:52] "what should I do?" find a version that exists and go with that one. :P [19:52] hiptobecubic, dude, there is no firefox 4 at all [19:52] I have the 13.0, no updates at all [19:52] sloin, you should update your system :) you are missing security patches [19:53] u mean slackpkg upgrade-all ? [19:53] fire|bird: thanks a lot for that [19:53] thrice`, since when? [19:53] sloin, after setting up slackpkg, yes [19:53] hiptobecubic, dude, are you losing it? where do you see firefox4 ? [19:53] 3.6.3 is the latest, with some 3.7 alphas or something [19:54] it's all set, I just don't have bandwidth for that, cdma with fup [19:54] fire|bird: kind of a dickhead move. because i don't agree with communism. [19:54] OutBound, seriously, we don't care, take your crap elsewhere please? [19:55] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] thrice`, and 3.7 is actually going to become 3.6.4, and then go for 4.0 [19:55] thrice`: no need to [19:55] point made [19:55] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:55] theres always offtopic [19:55] OutBound, No, I banned you because you asked the bots 8ball several times if I was a douche, so I kickbanned you, to the delight of several other people in the channel. [19:56] Skywise, that's where I banned him from. :) [19:56] lol [19:56] ##slackware-notwelcomed [19:56] fire|bird: is it not okay to aska question? [19:56] either way, it's a bit ridiculous to take your comments here, you're banned, too bad, get over it. [19:56] fire|bird: it's not [19:57] some other friends have been rediculed lately also and have left on their own free will [19:57] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Your just a scripted bot anyways, you said so yourself. [19:58] thrice`, if I can't do upgrade-all, is there an alternative ? something to upgrade together with gtk for it to be happy ? [19:59] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon129335.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Quit: bleh! [19:59] sloin: you can use /etc/slackpkg/blacklist [19:59] sloin, you have enough bandwidth to get firefox and all of GTK and its deps, but not patches ? [19:59] as a possiblilty perhaps [20:00] also, we will have a new FF tomorrow [20:00] how big could the upgrade-all be from 13.0 to current ? [20:00] sloin: no, it's not possible unless you know otherwise. Since you don't, it's not. [20:00] You either run a -stable release (e.g. 13.0) or you run the development release (-current). Pick one. [20:00] sloin, huge. just use the -13.0 mirror and get the patches [20:01] ok, I need to check what the patched are about [20:01] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:01] *s [20:01] i don't think gnome's a pain to package anymore (as a DE) [20:01] Pat should jump on that bandwagon again [20:02] actually, i don;t know about a new FF tomorrow (was just joking but it's been about a month since 3.6.3) [20:02] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:03] mancha, 3.6.4 will be what was going to be 3.7, so maybe will have more major changes than just a bugfix type release, so maybe it will be a bit longer. [20:04] Your guess is as good as mine though. [20:04] j0z (~j0z@189.26.45.192.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:04] they are supposed to do the per-tab process killing, I think [20:04] thrice`, is this for patches :) slackpkg upgrade slackware [20:04] I updated to current [20:04] you're a moron [20:04] thrice`, that and per-plugin process killing too, so one plugin *cough*flash*cough* doesn't take out the whole browser. [20:05] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.12.94) joined ##slackware. [20:05] I seriously cannot believe how slow some people are :\ [20:05] f'bird dunno about the numbering you mentioned but ff 3.6.4 will include the oopp stuff [20:05] fire|bird, right :> [20:05] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:05] thrice`, look, I'm a java guy, we are slow [20:06] sloin, man slackpkg :) [20:06] there was a porting process on the 3.6.x branch 3.6.3-something had some of the oopp stuff [20:06] sloin: I thought that bug was fixed?! :P [20:06] 3.6.4 will have it all. [20:07] i guess it was 3.6.3-lorenz or something like that [20:08] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [20:08] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Action: rworkman has submitted a request to PiterPunk to removed the damned -current mirrors from /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [20:09] eviljames, what bug [20:09] 17:06 < rworkman> I'm tired of dealing with fuckwits who uncomment a -current mirror to "get the latest packages" and then come into ##slackware whining about it. [20:09] 17:07 < rworkman> Anyone qualified to run -current should damned well be able to figure out the proper mirror line. [20:10] Note that I'm not referring to anyone specifically with that "fuckwit" comment - sloin, it particularly wasn't directed at you -- you haven't whined about it. [20:10] (yet?) [20:10] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] rworkman channel that energy into adding gnome and pam to slackware [20:11] I'd prefer to do something else, but thanks :) [20:11] lol [20:12] but firefox is getting ungodly innit. they need to start trimming i think [20:12] rworkman: amen [20:12] and the sooner flash gets dumped on its sorry ass, the better. [20:14] are the rumors of a new release xfce suite (4.6.2) true? [20:14] did the email i get that said tomorrow lie? [20:14] sloin: "java is slow" [20:14] You know that homely girl at the pub at 0200? You know, the one who's a bit pudgy acts kinda weird? You know, the one you'd never look at twice if she's standing next to an even moderately attractive lady? [20:14] Well, flash is that girl. [20:14] She's the only one left, so you go home with her. [20:15] haha [20:15] you know how good that girl looks after a night of drinking and a week of no sex? [20:15] mancha: I saw that too (re xfce) - here's hoping. [20:15] mancha: yes - that was my point :) [20:15] flash goggles [20:15] Someone better noobfarm that :D [20:16] and add an "and" between "bit" and "pudgy" [20:17] then someone better remove that and and ad one between pudgy and acts [20:17] Action: mancha ducks [20:17] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [20:17] :P [20:18] er, that's what I meant :/ [20:18] Sheesh, I'm slow today too. Go away, javaboy - it's contagious. [20:18] hahaha [20:18] did i miss javaboy? [20:19] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:19] 17:04 < sloin> thrice`, look, I'm a java guy, we are slow [20:19] oh man, who in their right mind boasts about that [20:20] brb [20:20] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:22] reading stuff [20:22] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] is there a way to use slackpkg for a branch between 13.0 and current :) ? [20:23] like 13.rrent ? [20:24] like if there are repos stuck in between, I guess they're not [20:25] I have a snapshot of current on drive, I could rsync it [20:25] is there a system (i am thinking along the lines of git) to keep a cummulative -current? [20:26] but whenever I use rsync it takes me xx minutes to make it :) [20:26] the straight build stuff can be git'd easily enough but not the upstream source, right? [20:27] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.61) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:38] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:39] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:47] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. 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[20:55] who likes ^^ [20:55] strace looks kind of helpful... but it also looks kind of like $(cat /dev/urandom) [20:55] powtrix, it's the only way to play Kingdom of Kroz these days [20:56] i like to play my Nascar2 and Indycar Racing ;) [20:56] old Actua Soccer too [20:56] fire|bird: heh [20:58] sloin (~a@78-136-162-32.client.ufon.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:59] hiptobecubic: if the shared libs in question aren't built with debugging symbols (the ones in slack aren't), you're kinda limited on what information you can get [20:59] blaines (~blaines@64-130-243-194.sparkplugbb.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] hiptobecubic: try "ulimit -c unlimited", then let it segfault and create a core dump, then "gdb -c core" and once in gdb, "bt" [21:00] will give you a backtrace, the hex addresses aren't real useful, but at least you'll know which shared lib was executing at the time [21:03] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:04] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [21:06] hehe [21:06] ignorance is bliss [21:06] niels__horn (~bd00bfb2@gateway/web/freenode/x-dbdbwxkeaeptrvhc) left irc: Quit: Page closed [21:07] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:08] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. 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You may have to su -, then "ulimit -c unlimited", then "su youruser" to raise the ulimit [21:16] or not [21:16] "ulimit -c unlimited" seems to work OK for a pleb user [21:16] Urchlay, yes it's working, i must have made a typo [21:16] curiously, it worked for me once, not a 2nd time [21:17] fire|bird: heh, eay when you have a caree in being a dick ay. hehe. gues it means private eye. would be an honor to most i suppose [21:18] Urchlay, so how does this hex tell me what lib was causing problems? [21:18] forgot part of it, sorry [21:18] "gdb -c core /path/to/skype" [21:18] then run "bt" [21:19] #0 0x08055f70 in ?? () [21:19] result of me doing that by running "sleep 10", then killing it with kill -11, says: #0 0x00007f2c61937850 in __nanosleep_nocancel () from /lib64/libc.so.6 [21:19] did you leave off the path to skype? [21:19] i did not [21:19] it has to be the binary btw (not sure whether the skype executable itself is a real binary or a shell script) [21:19] binary [21:20] ok, either skype itself is crashing (not one of the shared libs it load), or else something I don't understand is going on (entirely possible, I failed rocket science) [21:20] Urchlay, http://vpaste.net/UCBtE [21:21] i'm inclined to think that this executable does, in fact, run. Millions and millions are using it [21:21] doesn't mean it runs correctly in your environment... but you're probably right [21:22] hm, you think there really are millions of people using skype on 64-bit linux? I'd have estimated it lower, it'd be cool if you're right tho [21:22] darkrho: 'type' iirc [21:22] does strace show it loading any shared libs? [21:22] Urchlay, billions even [21:23] (for that matter, can you maybe pastebin the strace output?) [21:23] Urchlay, sure... please hold [21:23] billions? of x86_64 linux users that run skype? [21:23] just strace /usr/bin/skype? [21:23] yeah [21:23] Urchlay, trillions even [21:23] heh [21:23] hiptobecubic: are you using the latest skype or the one on SBo? [21:23] in some other galaxy maybe [21:23] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.18.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:24] neonflux, latest. the one on sbo loads the main window but crashes if anything happens [21:24] Urchlay, http://vpaste.net/W1I9c [21:24] Action: Urchlay puts on his goggles [21:24] :D [21:25] hiptobecubic: sorry to hear that...I know that the new version(s) of skype segfault if the binary is stripped [21:25] but that doesn't sound like your problem [21:25] neonflux, hmmm [21:26] hm, it's definitely using threads, and gdb definitely doesn't deal well with threads. I suppose that might be why the backtrace is useless [21:26] it's loading the shared libs OK (I didn't expect otherwise, or you'd get a runtime link error) [21:26] hiptobecubic: the version on SBo works fine as is, but I had to delete the strip lines to get a newer version of skype to work [21:27] neonflux, you might be on to something here..... [21:27] the version in sbo crashed when i tried to open a chat window [21:27] every time [21:27] I thought it might be trying to dlopen() some shared lib and failing, then trying to call a function in that lib through an unitialized pointer or something [21:27] but that doesn't seem to be the case... [21:27] hot damn! [21:27] neonflux, it was the stripping [21:28] stripping made it fail? [21:28] Urchlay, a valiant effort but it's some kind of magic voodoo in the binary [21:28] cat clothes >> /usr/bin/skype # unstrip [21:28] :) [21:28] *shrug*, can't win 'em all [21:28] rworkman, thanks. But I tried: `type unknown_func` and got "not found". I was looking something like if [ -x unknown_method ]; then unknown_method; fi [21:29] Well that problem is solved, but that doesn't solve the other strange happenings [21:29] vincen (~chatzilla@222.70.22.7) joined ##slackware. [21:29] i'll give it a rest for now [21:29] thanks guys [21:29] hiptobecubic: which problem? [21:29] neonflux, gst-python doesn't build now. it did last week [21:30] ah [21:30] i changed to alien's multilib stuff [21:30] but strangely.... it doesn't even build in 64bit [21:30] which should be the same as before [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AD4B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] darkrho: perhaps I'm missing something, but: [21:32] 0[rworkman@liberty 13.0 (rworkman)]$ type which 1>/dev/null 2>&1 ; echo $? [21:32] 0 [21:32] [rworkman@liberty 13.0 (rworkman)]$ type thisnotexist 1>/dev/null 2>&1 ; echo $? [21:32] 1 [21:32] what? The links in the /topic changed [21:32] darkrho: ergo: if type unknown_method 1>/dev/null 2>&1 ; then unknown_method ; fi [21:33] is.gd? [21:34] goj (~goj@p5488EE21.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:34] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:35] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:35] NaCl: no idea [21:36] hm [21:36] Still go to the same place - just shorter links [21:36] phoenix-2 (~Miranda@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust213.lei3.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [21:37] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:37] sinuhe (~sinuhe@64.0.193.17) joined ##slackware. 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I know of a certain IT Director who would get an email from it. [21:44] haha [21:44] ^5 [21:44] :D [21:44] that the guy with a thin grasp of rdns? [21:44] Yes. [21:45] I miss the days when it was trivial to forge email headers [21:45] sent a friend an email from "bgates@microsoft.com" telling him "we know you're running a pirated copy of windows 95"... he freaked out & formatted his drive [21:47] hm. ireland doesn't allow 2-letter 2nd level domains... ms.ie is disallowed [21:47] Urchlay: hahahahha [21:47] epic. [21:47] microsoft.ie exists [21:48] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [21:48] agentc0re: wish I had the email text to show you. Anyone with any wit would have seen it was a joke... [21:48] there is way to read pdf files on console ? [21:48] this guy is smart, but slow... if that makes sense [21:48] is there* [21:49] arenics: there's a "pdftotext" command, no idea how well it works. If the pdf doesn't contain any text (or if the text is stored pre-rendered as an image) then it'll fail [21:49] Urchlay: it doesnt work good [21:49] I try it [21:49] tryed* [21:49] alternatively you could try to use OCR (tesseract is a pretty good engine, look on SBo) [21:50] sbo ? [21:50] slackbuilds.org [21:50] oh [21:50] thanks [21:50] :) [21:51] what are you actually trying to accomplish? just be able to read a pdf without X, or is this a piece of a bigger puzzle? [21:51] be able to read pdf without X [21:52] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Quit: Menea y hornea... [21:52] you probly have to render the pdf to one image file per page (with pdfimages) [21:52] then OCR each one. Which will take a good long while. [21:53] no matter, i got some books and I'd like read it without X [21:54] pdfimages is part of the poppler package, if that helps [21:54] i dont know poppler [21:54] there's also a pdftohtml that probably isn't worth the trouble to even try [21:54] poppler's where pdftotext comes from, too [21:54] oh [21:54] so I guess you already have it installed [21:55] Is poppler's API supposed to be "stable"? [21:55] yes i do [21:55] i'm gonna try pdftohtml first [21:55] NaCl: good question, I dunno the answer [21:55] rworkman, that works. thanks! I forgot about output redirection [21:55] did poppler even exist 5 years ago? I really could have used it, if I'd known of it back then [21:56] Urchlay: I doubt it, considering that is has broken a bunch of other stuff [21:56] yeah... [21:57] I might be about to find out, thinking on upgrading the laptop to -current [21:57] wheeee [21:57] since it's more-or-less 13.1beta1 now [21:57] I remember inkscape needing it [21:57] complete with 63 threads of console-kit-daemon [21:57] laptop has inkscape, I haven't actually used it in a couple years tho, won't cry if it breaks [21:58] eh, do you need consolekit or polkit if you don't plan to run KDE? [21:58] pdftohmtl works better than totxt, but it still keep some a lot of "dirty" codes on the converted document, do you know what I mean ? [21:58] meant* [21:58] Urchlay: or xfce [21:59] unless wou want to hack the xinitrc file [21:59] which isn't hard [21:59] NaCl: OK, I run windowmaker... and I'm pretty handy at hacking xinitrc if needed [21:59] you aren't going to have problems [21:59] only time I ever fire up KDE or XFCE is when I'm about to submit a build to SBo that has a .desktop file (to make sure it shows up in the right place in the app menu, with the right icon, etc) [22:00] It may become more important once udisk/upower [22:00] Where u is "u*" [22:00] u*power? guessing that whatever it is, it won't work on my ancient and terrible laptop from 2002 [22:01] it barely supports enough acpi to tell me the CPU temp, turn off the backlight, and spin down the drive [22:01] xD [22:01] anyway the damn thing doesn't have a battery any more, so power saving isn't a real issue [22:02] (if you can avoid doing so, never move more than once per year) [22:03] the laptop battery is either at one of the 3 houses I lived in last year, or else it's at my storage space, or else it's in Lubbock, TX if my ex-roommates ended up grabbing it by mistake [22:05] wonderful [22:06] new battery runs about $150 for that model... for $150 I could buy a used (but much newer) laptop in decent shape [22:06] hey NaCl, can I send a pm? 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[22:18] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:25] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:28] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Quit: felipe [22:35] |Slacker| (~cris@187.47.73.56) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Double Clicking on my trackpad doesn't seem to be working. Could someone help? [22:41] ViN86 (ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-THREE-O-TWO.MIT.EDU) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:42] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [22:43] CelestialWurm: man synclient [22:43] assuming it is a synaptics touchpad [22:43] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:43] alright, later! [22:44] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [22:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] why is it, every time I upgrade to a new slackware release on my laptop, tap-to-click always works perfectly? (I *hate* it, always have to figure out how to disable it again) [22:49] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:49] yet everyone else in here has the opposite problem... [22:49] yeah, I lost tap-to-click when I went to 13.0 [22:49] I gained it (without actually wanting it) [22:49] and in fact, my tap-to-click is now subpar.. it isn't instant. has a second lag that drives me nuts [22:50] Urchlay: some 90% (iirc) of touchpads are made by synaptic, and the current hal/fdi file defaults tap-to-click off (iirc) [22:50] Urchlay: you might be part of the 10% that are by whatever that other company is [22:50] some 97% of all statistics are made up on the spot :) [22:50] possible [22:50] including that one [22:50] it was meant to imply "overwhelming majority" [22:51] all generalizations are false, including this one... [22:51] end result: Urchlay, I want your touchpad :/ [22:51] just use synclient [22:51] raela: I bet you don't want to trade laptops with me [22:51] I'm gonna have to fix hal with every upgrade? [22:51] Urchlay: oh, my one laptop is a total work of art [22:52] oh slick [22:52] Urchlay: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4779/feb2010h.jpg [22:52] Check out syndaemon(1) [22:52] it's a 2001 model vaio I bought new in 2002 and is now falling apart, has no battery, drive reports "failed due to old age" when I run smartctl (though it actually still works) [22:52] Action: alphageek hugs CircularScrolling (re synaptics) [22:52] whoa, some kinda candy-striped desktop theme? [22:53] Urchlay: I have several cracks in the case.. and nope, lcd is trying its hardest to die [22:53] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:53] yeah, I know [22:53] it has over 150 lines :D [22:53] loose/broken hinge [22:53] amazing that you can get any use out of it at all [22:53] nope. I think it's just bad with age, not the connector [22:53] alphageek: i had turned it off, but that's a super neato feature. [22:54] hooh (~nnscript@190.166.188.20) joined ##slackware. [22:54] given how much stuff I do in urxvtc, circularscrolling is pretty much a requirement [22:54] I could have made $50 resoldering someone's power connector on an old laptop the other day, if I'd but known he needed it [22:54] Urchlay: I look past them with no trouble.. drives everyone else crazy when I try to show them something :) I get so confused when they say they can't see whatever due to lines.. [22:54] (could have made $100 except he's a friend) [22:54] I wish my desktop's keyboard had a trackpad in front of it :) [22:54] alphageek: I like the multi touch stuff [22:55] 2 finger scroll [22:55] but instead, someone else did it for him for free [22:55] and uhh... can't remember the other ones offhand [22:55] *nod* [22:55] but I have 'em turned on my laptop [22:55] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] why would you go poking a soldering iron into a laptop if not to get paid? it's not *fun* to some people is it? [22:55] yeah it is [22:55] nah [22:55] but only because they play slot machines [22:56] and do auto-erotic asphyxiation. [22:56] gamblers, you see. [22:56] soldering inside an early 1980s machine like an Atari 2600 or a Commodore 64, can be fun [22:56] lessee.. I have circular scrolling, left click as 1 finger, right click as 2 fingers, horiz & vert scrolling (hold 2 fingers & slide in appropriate direction) [22:56] that's about it [22:56] but the new stuff, ugh [22:56] Urchlay: In the early 80s I was born! [22:56] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [22:56] with a tin/lead alloy spoon in your mouth? [22:56] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [22:57] Urchlay: what else. Those were considered 'responsible parent tools' back in the 80s [22:57] ughhh that was another thing.. upgraded to 13.0 and vert scroll on the right was enabled. drove me nuts until I figured out how to kill it [22:57] now of course we know they cause brain damage [22:57] Action: eviljames <- case in point [22:57] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [22:57] I saw a t-shirt once that said "I ate paint chips when I was a kid, what's your excuse?" [22:59] hm. I think I just figured out why I hate tap-to-click and mouse gestures and such... there's no equivalent of pressing backspace, or any kind of "change it before I hit enter" analog [22:59] nah, it's because you're antiquated and outmoded. it's time to move onto a newer model. :P [22:59] but.. it's like moving/clicking with a mouse.. [23:00] I mean, sometimes my touchpad does glitch and click when I don't tap (which annoys the hell out of me).. but.. I like tapping [23:00] I don't use mouse gestures [23:00] raela: yes and no. tap-to-click causes me to accidentally click about once every 2 or 3 minutes when I was just wanting to move the pointer [23:00] leads to a lot of cussing and the urge to throw the laptop on the floor and stomp on it [23:01] and there are 2 perfectly good hardware buttons right there under my thumbs, might as well use them [23:02] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-208-111-227-160-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] Urchlay: my shitfit is when it clicks+drags on a window and resizes or moves it.. I get -pissed- when my windows are moved [23:04] i prefer tap click usually [23:04] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:06] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:06] while we're discussing usability issues, here's a little something I've been googling for & coming up empty [23:07] I recently switched from an ancient version of aterm to rxvt-unicode. pretty damned spiffy, but for a couple things [23:07] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:07] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [23:08] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [23:08] when I view a text file with 'less' then quit, what used to happen is the contents of said text file stayed in the terminal. now it clears on exit of less [23:08] (less is merely an example. happens with vi, nano, few other apps) [23:09] ideas on how to get my favoured old behaviour back? [23:09] raela: yeah, I hate it when my windows move too [23:09] yeah.. I've noticed (and been annoyed) by that as well.. switched from rxvt recently [23:09] especially xterms and maximized apps (like firefox) [23:10] Urchlay: I have a very specific layout I keep on my laptops.. ugh. and I'm mildly ocpd so.. :P [23:10] alphageek: probably can diddle the TERM environment variable... try setting it to xterm if it isn't already, or set it to xterm-256color or something [23:11] I've already tried a few variations, though I missed xterm-256color [23:11] raela: what I especially hate is when I'm say, sshed into some box, then sshed from there to somewhere else, and running an ftp client or something there... and I forget how many times I should hit ctrl-D to get back to my local shell [23:11] one too many and *blam*, no more xterm [23:11] SBo upload form is disabled? :( [23:11] nope, no change [23:11] echelon: pending the release of slack 13.1, yah [23:11] when is it planned to come back up? [23:12] sometime after 13.1 is release, which isn't much of an answer since that hasn't been announced [23:12] Urchlay: hahaha.. I keep the same root pass/prompts on my two laptops and ssh to the one for irssi, but turn that laptop off every day.. I'm afraid that one day I'm gonna accidentally shut off the wrong laptop :P [23:13] raela: I use a multicolored prompt with a different set of colors for every machine I regularly ssh to, somehow the colors help a lot more than just putting the hostname in the prompt [23:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:13] Urchlay: oh right, they do have different host names.. yeah, I should do the colors.. but.. then they'd be wrong, y'know? I guess if I just did it for root.. [23:13] only ever once did a "shutdown -h now" on a shell server used by a whole team of devs when I thought I was shutting down my workstation... but the embarrassment stuck with me a long time [23:14] export PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007"' [23:14] ^ put that in your environment somewhere [23:14] Urchlay: eeek.. luckily I don't really use any multiuser machines.. geez [23:15] how's that better than using PS1='\033]0;\u@\h:\w$' or whatever? [23:15] alphageek: for what, making foot more obvious? I have a prompt I like :P [23:15] http://omegageek.dyndns.org/temp/screenshots/root.png < extremely dated screenshot showing that. look at the titlebars of each aterm [23:15] oh [23:15] PROMPT_COMMAND != PS1 [23:15] yes I know [23:16] I didn't know that was the escape code for setting the titlebar string though [23:16] ahh [23:16] I don't remember where I picked that up, but I've been using it for several years [23:17] alphageek: honestly, I'd look past that as well.. heh [23:17] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [23:17] but I hate ssh'ing into something that changes the titlebar, then logging out and the titlebar is still showing user@remotehost when it's not any more... your PROMPT_COMMAND would work around that [23:17] I need bright, different colors in my face to make me see it's something different [23:17] $ grep PROMPT ~/.screenrc [23:17] setenv PROMPT_COMMAND 'echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD} (${STY})\007"' [23:17] :) [23:17] OTOH, I used to use xterms with no titlebar and no resize handles or borders, and probably will do again in the future (when I get un-lazy enough to figure out how, in windowmaker) [23:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:21] this is the prompt I use on everything http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1640/promptu.png [23:21] you actually use csh, or just like the % prompt? [23:21] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] it's zsh [23:22] ah [23:22] is anyone here from new mexico? [23:22] kind of a wide prompt [23:22] Urchlay: yeah.. I probably don't need the full date/time (and probably ignore it mostly).. but.. I've used it for years, so I don't want to change [23:22] if you must have the date, why not squish it a little? 0512 instead of May 12 [23:22] kinda handy if you have gobs of scrollback to wade through, though [23:23] yeah [23:23] used to do just the time in the prompt, not the date [23:23] eh, I prefer how it looks written out [23:23] I think I first started using it when I broke x completely [23:24] and wanted the date in my prompt instead of having to check it via command [23:24] your preferences I can tell are already different than mine, the background on that terminal would drive me mad [23:24] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:24] hehe. I have false transparency on my terms [23:24] I gotta have while (or maybe yellow or bright green) on black, for anything I'm going to stare at for hours [23:24] "+%F %T" would go nice [23:24] s/while/white/ [23:25] aka YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS [23:25] it's why I have it dark.. light wallpapers hurt my eyes, but I like some color [23:25] mancha, are you around? [23:25] you might consider changing your blue color (the parens around the date/time) to something lighter, like CornflowerBlue [23:26] alphageek: I don't put the year :P but.. I'm pretty bad about change. thanks for the suggestion :) [23:26] which is apparently #6495ed [23:26] Urchlay: why would I do that? seems like a fine color to me [23:26] eh, hard to see [23:26] I don't want something that really pops out [23:26] vim shows comments in that color, I got really annoyed at not being able to read the comments (since that was the point of writing them in the first place) [23:26] and with cornflower blue you get that "fight club" effect [23:27] sinuhe (~sinuhe@64.0.193.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:27] hrm, vim shows comments in a teal type color for me [23:27] which fight club effect? I develop an alternate personality? I show up for work with lots of bruises? [23:27] that's the New Mexico effect? [23:28] I start a cult? Have considered it before, it seems like a lotta work... [23:28] no, it must be tuesday because you're wearing your cornflower blue tie [23:28] oh right, I had totally forgot about that. I probably picked cornflowerblue in the first place because of that line in that movie :) [23:28] lol [23:29] also, I used rxvt for quite awhile.. didn't have the additional colors :P [23:30] I think vim on my system labors under the impression that its terminal has a white background [23:30] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.85.217) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:30] oh! that could be why.. yes, I did set that on all of my boxen [23:30] er, and I'm using the elflord theme.. durrr [23:30] is there an elwood theme? (or a joliet jake theme?) [23:31] themes are in /usr/share/vim/vim72/colors/ [23:31] yeah... nevermind [23:32] more to the point, is there a fight club theme? [23:32] somehow I mis-read "elflord" as "elwood blues" [23:32] or you could download more :P [23:32] ah, okay [23:32] also, if you want to fix that.. edit /usr/share/vim/vimrc and add "set background=dark" [23:32] yeah, I used to to that [23:32] s/to to/to do/ [23:33] other helpful additions: set mouse="psmouse" makes visual mode go away, set paste gets rid of additional tabs/spaces when you try to paste [23:33] these days I flatten /usr/share/vim/vimrc and rely on my own ~/.vimrc [23:33] ah. well, again, it helps that I don't really use multiuser machines [23:34] the lab box is linux, but everyone else is afraid to use it, except for one girl - and I don't think she uses vim. she's just using it remotely to analyze data faster than her laptop [23:34] ryan186 (~ryan@99.72.178.183) joined ##slackware. [23:34] "set paste" I use regularly (have a macro that does "set paste", then calls xsel to do a paste from X's selection buffer, then does a "set nopaste" [23:34] took her laptop 10 hours to run one set.. lab comp is 2.5 hours or so and has multiple cores [23:34] is there a downside to having set paste always up? [23:35] yeah, auto-indent stops working [23:35] have you tried the "less" color scheme? [23:35] int main() { [23:35] int foo; [23:35] the 2nd line gets autoindented with paste off [23:35] ohh.. so auto ident isn't working due to that? whoops. I just assumed it didn't indent R code (which is all I've been writing) [23:35] with it on I gotta press Tab, and I'm so used to autoindent after 30 years of exposure to it, that I'd pull all my hair out... [23:35] mancha, good to see you: the laptop problem you helped me with -- turned out to be a bad memory stick (i think that's one of the first things you pointed to) [23:36] then again, latex ignores tabs even in verbatim blocks for me, so I've had to use spaces anyway [23:36] I am running Slackware 13 64 bit. I am trying to install Nvidia drivers. I get this error: ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. It said it couldn't find a kernel or compile one. [23:36] can make vim insert x number of spaces when you hit Tab [23:36] hoobop aha, then i am glad you diagnosed successfully though it sucks about the faulty ram (though that's gotten cheaper to fix lately) [23:36] glad i helped :) [23:36] it's dirt cheap [23:36] and you did help [23:36] thanks [23:37] Urchlay: well.. I'll go with the simple way :) I am horribly lazy, unfortunately [23:37] ryan186: are you using the nvidia-kernel.SlackBuild from slackbuilds.org? If not, try it [23:37] raela: I'm so lazy, I can't be bothered to press Tab :) [23:37] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:37] yea I knew I should of looked on slackbuilds... [23:38] Urchlay: neither can I.. and then I start removing newlines.. adding semicolons.. and then the grader gets -very- mad at me when I turn in my code.. :P [23:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:39] I remember in high school, wrote an evil pascal program that would modify pascal source, change capitalization and spacing, and strip comments, to make it look like someone else had written it [23:39] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-132.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:39] that was actually a lot more challenging than any of the actual class assignments [23:39] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:40] and it let me churn out homework answers for the girl I was trying to impress (ultimately she wasn't impressed...) [23:40] Urchlay: haha, nice. man, I wish I was able to do programming in high school.. oh well. also wanted to do some for fun courses in undergrad, but they required intro to computing.. bah [23:41] wasn't impressed? she clearly wasn't worth it [23:41] cteg_ (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-103-254.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [23:41] hoobop not sure what ram you use but there is a difference in quality control between companies. also if your ram type supports ecc that's better. [23:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:43] redxj (~root@112.84.28.231) joined ##slackware. [23:44] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-202-125.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:44] mancha: it's an old toshiba m15-s405 (great laptop -- first gen centrino)... i opted for a pair of corsair sticks pc2100/266, iirc (the box can handle only 1gb max) [23:45] at the moment it's running on a single 512 [23:45] the other is defective [23:45] and it just presented symptoms i'd never seen before [23:45] |Slacker| (~cris@187.47.73.56) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:46] corsair is usually good. especially their higher end stuff. maybe you just were the unlucky 1 out of a hundred thousand... [23:46] i'm replacing some no-name brand [23:46] I own two toshiba satellites.. newer one is a bit more finicky, but my older one is coming on 5 years and is great [23:47] raela, yeah, my old toshiba is great [23:47] i'll hate to see that go [23:47] /server irc.enterthegame.com [23:47] hoobop: screen is on its last legs on mine and it has several case cracks.. but I'm worried that the hardware is going as well. might cry when it goes [23:48] nice advertisement [23:48] ? [23:48] yeah, no kidding [23:48] raela, i really don't know what i'd replace mine with [23:48] ou havent' said anything in like.. an hour [23:48] the first thing you say is that [23:48] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:49] hoobop: I got the newer toshiba about 2 years ago when the screen first started going downhil.. it's not as great, but it's still a nice laptop [23:49] raela: she wasn't [23:49] but at the age of 15 I didn't know any better [23:49] ah.. well, young love :P [23:50] raela, that's the thing; i've looked at the newer toshibas and i'm not all that impressed [23:50] s/love/pointless lust/ [23:50] pointless cause she was playing me anyway (probly got a better grade in the class than I did) [23:51] hoobop: specs-wise, it's great. I haven't needed a desktop because it performs well. however, I have had some overheating issues (needs regular compressed air treatments, maybe every 6 months) and there are some minor issues I have that don't matter [23:51] like the volume wheel. I have many gripes about that design.. [23:51] are you running slackware on it? [23:51] Urchlay: well, girls are awful, especially at that age [23:51] yep. slack 13.0 on both laptops [23:51] ugh, I let mine go without cleaning out the vents for a couple years, finally did last week. Looked like motor oil with ground up cockroaches in it [23:52] _wtF_ [23:52] hey eviljames [23:52] it used to sit in a smoking environment and run 24/7 [23:52] Urchlay: I really enjoy your stories, for boring reasons... [23:52] when i logining system, the keyboard doesn't work, run level 4, so i need to go to single mode and turn to 4 [23:52] my old laptop went 3.5-4 years without me cleaning the fan.. and then I only cleaned it because I had to clean the other one [23:53] nah, it actually would crash after 10-15 minutes of running any openGL game (turns out the video chip doesn't even have a heatsink) [23:53] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] raela, i haven't tried 13 yet (not crazy about the version of KDE) but i'm looking forward to 13.1 [23:53] btw, how long to 13.1? [23:53] redxj: that's odd, do you have any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [23:54] hoobop: 13.1BETA1 has arrived, but don't whine if it doesn't work. [23:54] when this one got really bad, it was turning itself off 30 seconds after I'd load up any video.. but sometimes made it longer. took me awhile to think to blow it out [23:54] i'd predict days hoobop [23:54] that would be great [23:54] hoobop: yeah, I don't like kde on 13.0. I've used fluxbox for years, though [23:54] some time for people to field test the kde stuffs and then boom [23:54] hoobop: somewhere on ftp.slackware.com & mirrors, there are KDE 3.5.x packages for 13.0 [23:54] pasture/ maybe [23:55] Urch, compat i think [23:55] raela: i think i'm the last remaining blackbox user [23:55] Urchlay, that would suit me fine [23:55] in /extra [23:55] kde 4.4 (iirc) looks great; that would be fine too [23:55] mancha: there's that, but it's just libs and such. There's also somewhere er another a full environment (which is basically the ones from 12.2 repackaged I think) [23:55] ang: I've never tried it. I used kde a bit, then switched to flux and found it wonderful, so I haven't wanted to explore beyond that [23:56] Urch, ah ok, dunno about that. yeah what i mentioned were just support libs. [23:56] raela, i've got old boxes running flux; intuitive and lightweight [23:57] hoobop: yeah, simplicity is awesome :D [23:57] always brings DSL to mind when i think of simplicity [23:58] still impressive [23:58] you can run DSL on a toothbrush [23:58] and have room left over for toothpaste [23:58] I'm not that awesome :) I've enjoyed slack, so again.. no desire to branch out from there [23:58] for those who brew their own, config_memtest is a nice option [23:59] mancha: what ever happened to the badram patch? [23:59] i just could see "(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) Unknown" "(EE) Failed to laod mode "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)" [23:59] it ever make it into main kernel tree? [23:59] redxj: that error is fine [23:59] Urch, i don't know. [23:59] raela, agreed; i've become so used to slack that i'm really not interested in branching out [23:59] unless there's a need [23:59] redxj: I get it on both of my boxen with no problems [23:59] badram was slick: you run memtest86, write down the addresses, then stick them in an append= in lilo.conf [00:00] --- Thu May 13 2010