[00:01] haiku will be hopefully a wake up call to the linux desktop [00:01] or else Linux will just be an awesome server OS [00:01] hasn't haiku been trying to release for like 10 years? [00:02] thrice`, just take a look at haiku now [00:02] alpha1? no thanks [00:03] thrice`, apparently the alpha1 is very stable for those who have the right hardware, I don't unfortunately [00:03] ah, they made alpha1 with gcc 2.95. such cutting edge! [00:03] thrice`, yes that's required to be able to be compatible with BeOS apps, but you can use gcc4 also with it [00:04] I don't understand why they went so far out of the way to support BeOS apps [00:04] thrice, because there are some really good multimedia BeOS apps [00:05] Action: hitest will take a pass on haiku [00:05] witukind, multimedia? I think multimedia i think codecs. Software you pass data to and it chucks it to the video card driver. [00:06] I mean, did BeOS have a killer h264 decoder or something? [00:07] ps: I saw you use audacious. I suggest anyone who's never heard of it check out gmusicbrowser. [00:07] rhys, it had some professional audio recording software that can rival with Steinberg's software and is much easier to use. [00:08] had = 10 years ago? [00:08] surely things have evolved [00:09] witukind: I wasn't aware the BeOS was very mature driver-wise for multi-channel audio hardware [00:09] I remember using BeOS a # of years ago, it didn't like my modem though, so I couldn't get online. [00:09] rk4n3, BeOS supports fully Echo sound cards [00:09] witukind, beos is still being made? [00:10] nyRednek, no it's dead, but Haiku replaces it [00:10] witukind: that's one brand ... there's hundreds of them [00:10] witukind, as far as steinberg's software, i use rosegarden for sequencing, ardour for recording, synching it with jack [00:10] Qtractor is great too [00:10] speaking of audio, I've almost been thinking of buying a Mac. but I just-hate-them-so-freaking-much. [00:11] and I hate OSX as well. I just like the OSX apps. [00:12] nyRednek, all these apps are nice, except when you don't want to spend 10 years learning all that stuff. Personnally I only use Adobe Audition/Cool Edit Pro to record because I'm too dumb to use Steinberg's stuff. [00:12] linux audio seems superior to windows just about every day of he week [00:12] Can't the OS get out of my way, and just give me the apps? [00:12] the only thing I like about osx is package management [00:12] my sound engineer uses Cubase but he's been at it for years [00:12] nyRednek: +++ [00:12] thrice`, -what- package management? [00:12] self-contained blobs :) [00:12] witukind: I use Cool Edit Pro too - simple, and I just out-board mix everything on studio board with effects [00:13] ugh. Its amusing, better than windows, but its not package management. [00:13] witukind, learn? you want the short bus method, just do audacity [00:13] nyRednek, Audacity sucks [00:13] nyRednek, Cool Edit Pro all the way [00:13] regretfully, so does adobe's software [00:14] nyRednek: I think he's more referring to "professional recording", i.e. multi-track [00:14] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:14] at least I can use Cool Edit Pro on a shitty P200 with 64 megs of RAM and record my stuff [00:14] (was done) [00:14] <_guitarman_> u guys are crazy - ardour ftw [00:14] rk4n3, so was i was ardour [00:14] <_guitarman_> ok, u not crazy... that's mean. [00:14] <_guitarman_> but whats wrong with ardour [00:14] y0 _guitarman_ [00:14] then he complained about learning curve [00:14] <_guitarman_> hey fire|bird whuts da word [00:14] I've never gotten ardour to build/run [00:14] <_guitarman_> any daw has a learning curve [00:14] s/i was/i with [00:14] <_guitarman_> rk4n3: sbopkg ftw [00:15] ... the few times I've tried - admittedly years ago [00:15] <_guitarman_> rk4n3: get jack and all its deps in there and then ardour ... its worth it. [00:15] Action: _guitarman_ loves hydrogen + ardour + rakarrack [00:15] mesa_booger (n=mesa_boo@unaffiliated/mesa-booger/x-2567591) left irc: [00:15] <_guitarman_> and ninjam is fun 2. [00:15] _guitarman_: well, I'm certainly game to try [00:15] hm. Long as you're talking about audio stuff... what do you guys use for a drum machine? general-purpose sequencer + drum samples? midi? [00:16] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:16] jack just needs libsndfile [00:16] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:16] _guitarman_, yes, jack+rosegarden+ardour+hydrogen+zynaddsubfx+amsynth ftw [00:16] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: hydrogen is an awesome drum machine [00:16] Urchlay: drums = hydrogen [00:16] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [00:16] <_guitarman_> nyRednek: u bet [00:16] Urchlay: I bought this $49 pc drum machine software - its pretty cool, the best thing is its easy to just substitute my own sounds for drum kit samples [00:16] <_guitarman_> nyRednek: all great stuff [00:16] hydrogen also works as a great sound board if you take the time to make your own 'drumkits' [00:16] z3r0 (n=z3r0@74.195.114.70) joined ##slackware. [00:17] hydrogen... comes with samples? any of them sound remotely like a real acoustic drum kit, or is it all synth/techno/electronic "drums"? [00:17] Urchlay: No, they sound real [00:18] what I want to do is sound as much like a real drummer as possible, without actually having to own a drum kit + a bunch of mics + learn to play the damn thing... [00:18] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: some sound real and in the latest hydrogen you can download a bunch straight from the software [00:18] Urchlay, unless you want the electronica kits...you can install those in the program as well [00:18] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: you used to have to go to sourceforge and download them yourself [00:18] Urchlay: http://www.pcdrummer.com that's the one I bought - the included samples were pretty good, but I really loved putting my own mic'd drum sounds in [00:18] Urchlay, it will be really hard to learn how to program a drum machine if you don't know how to drum [00:18] rk4n3, toontrack sucks, dude...the big bull [00:19] nyRednek: toontrack ? [00:19] rk4n3, the leading maker of a software drum machine for winblows [00:19] witukind: eh, I know enough about drums to program a drum machine, I just don't have the whole-body coordination + stamina + hours of practice needed to actually play drums well enough for people to listen to [00:19] that one looks like a half assed toontrack clone [00:19] i installed the creative driver for my sound card. when i log in as root my sound works, but when i log in as a normal user i get null sound. can anyone help? [00:20] nyRednek: oh yeah, I looked at that one and passed on it - I went for this cheap-looking program, but I found out its just written by one guy, and he's pretty cool and a fairly talented programmer - I like his work :) [00:20] looks exactly what came with my korg [00:20] Urchlay, but still you should try drumming because you would then see what to do or not to do to make it sound natural with a drum machine [00:21] Urchlay, few people actually manage to program drum machines to fool people it's real drums [00:21] witukind: yeah, I used to play drums some, back when I shared a house with someone who had a kit. I just never really got good enough at it to want to call myself a drummer, you know? [00:21] getting a drum kit to learn on is kind of a big leap - I did it, and I loved learning to play, but not sure the cost was worth it in the long run (I'm a guitar player primarily) [00:21] instead of programming, i record drumming from my pads into a sequencer [00:22] urbank, I "used" to as well, live in an apartment now, so no way to play drums anymore [00:22] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [00:22] it meant practice for at least 1 hour a day [00:22] nyRedneck: I suppose that's a good way to go [00:22] rk4n3: right, I'm a bass & guitar player, I know just enough drums to be able to (hopefully) talk intelligently with a real drummer [00:23] I started with guitar too [00:23] Urchlay: haha - and our joke around here is that a drummer is just a guy that hangs out with musicians :) [00:23] :) [00:23] how do you tell when the stage is level ? [00:23] the drummer drools out of both sides of his mouth [00:23] :) [00:23] haha [00:23] also, what does a woman do with her asshole before she goes to work? ...she drops him off at band practice [00:24] LOL [00:24] (applies to all of us, not just drummers) [00:24] hahaha [00:24] what do you call a musician without a girlfriend ? Homeless [00:24] :D [00:25] man, that "drops him off at band practice" one is good - have to remember that :) [00:25] <_guitarman_> 2 men were walking down the road. 1 was a desititue andthe other was a guitarist as well. [00:25] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] rk4n3: Well, by show of hands (o/) who in here is homeless? :P [00:25] hm. So track the drums with hydrogen, render to a wav file or something, import as a track in ardour? [00:26] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: nope - u can patch hydrogen right into ardour [00:26] <_guitarman_> in fact, you link the 2. [00:26] urchlay, that's the way to go [00:26] do the drums first and then record guitar, bass etc.. after [00:26] <_guitarman_> set ardour time master to jack ,and hydrogen to jack, set tempo in hydrogen, make your beat hit play in ardour or hydrogen and they will be joined [00:27] how much of these nice programs require gnome or kde or some such bloaty GUI ? [00:27] <_guitarman_> rk4n3: i run fluxbox [00:27] <_guitarman_> and run those apps. [00:27] <_guitarman_> u will need the deps of course [00:27] _guitarman_: ah, sweet [00:27] hmmm, OK [00:28] rk4n3: There are some audio apps that need qt4, but not many, many of the audio apps out there have the same deps, libsndfile, libsamplerate, fftw, etc. [00:28] witukind: right, like I used to do with a 4-track tape deck + standalone drum machine, aeons ago... [00:28] Urchlay, still the best method [00:29] Urchlay, wanna hear what I did with Cool Edit Pro and a P200/64megs of RAM alone? [00:29] I've been interested in ecasound, but haven't spent the time to really dig into it [00:30] witukind: sure [00:30] z3r0 (n=z3r0@74.195.114.70) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:30] Urchlay, wait a moment, uploading somewhere [00:31] silly question maybe... is there any point even bothering to install any of this software if all I have is the shitty onboard sound on my motherboard? [00:31] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: do you want to be creative or not [00:31] Urchlay: sure [00:31] Urchlay: yeah, there sure is. [00:31] _guitarman_: sure. But, eh, if it won't work with onboard sound, I can't afford anything else any time soon... [00:31] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: if u do, then its worth it whether u have a 4 track from 1985 or a firepod [00:32] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: if you get sound on linux in alsa, you are gold [00:32] Urchlay: you can do alot with unlimited tracks at your disposal - recording only two at a time isn't too big of an obstacle [00:32] <_guitarman_> ohhhh thats what he meant [00:32] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [00:32] <_guitarman_> sorry [00:32] you all should try out this young linux distro called "slackware" [00:32] its supposed to be pretty good [00:32] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] <_guitarman_> lol [00:32] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:32] rk4n3: well I only have 2 hands, so that ought to be OK. I was worried more about things like latency, or noise coming from unshielded computer innards [00:33] define what it means for a distro to be "young" [00:33] young at heart ? [00:33] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:33] Urchlay: I wouldn't worry too much about that [00:33] (a little noise would be OK though, this would be for my own messing around with, not trying to produce a gold record here...) [00:33] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] Urchlay: Nah, you should be just fine with what you have. Things like jack can take care of latency issues (if there are any) and a custom kernel (Preemptive, or RT) [00:34] Urchlay: your most noticeable deficiency should be signal-to-noise ratio ... which means your mix-downs may not have the "spatial dimension" and crispness of really good audio hardware, but for casual recording its fine [00:34] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:34] "young" as in "hasn't been in the wild long"? [00:35] lowspeed (n=jh@cpe-075-183-106-088.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Urchlay: of course, I suppose hardware crappiness could introduce latency/glitches, as a bad driver would as well [00:35] Only way to find out is give it a try. :) [00:36] Urchlay: you'll probably notice more of a difference from the mic you use than the recording hardware, unless you get into the pro stuff [00:38] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.77.19) joined ##slackware. [00:39] hashed__ (n=iforgot@ip70-178-151-98.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] actually have some decent mics here [00:40] whiskas (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:40] Hi [00:40] not mine, they belong to the singer in my band, but I could use them [00:41] I have second hand mics bought from a professional recording studio [00:42] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.16) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:43] they're pretty good, but still I want some Shure stuff [00:43] these are Shures [00:43] older ones though [00:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:44] how'd you do the drums on this track? [00:44] I need a few SM-57 and those other ones more fitted for singing [00:44] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Urchlay, I had only 4 mics, actually two of those mics I bought second hand from the recording studio, I used these for the bass drum and the snare, and use the two other "consumer level" mics for the cymbals. [00:46] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] hashed__ (n=iforgot@ip70-178-151-98.ks.ks.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:46] they're sort of buried in the mix... [00:46] but they don't sound bad [00:46] yes [00:47] there can be some improvement on that of course [00:48] some wizardry with Cubase might help, but that's beyond my knowledge, so I'll leave that to the sound engineer [00:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:49] http://www.myspace.com/redtouchyellow [00:50] so when you record electric guitar & bass, is there any point using outboard effects and/or pulling the signal from the line out jack on the amp? or do you just plug the instrument straight in and use ardour (or whatever's) built-in effects and such? [00:50] ... check out the drums on those demo songs, I did those in my office [00:50] (I don't have a mic capable of being used to mic my bass cabinet) [00:51] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [00:51] record bass direct for studio stuff [00:51] Urchlay, for the guy I used the studio mics directly on the amp (the older variety of Marshalls 100 watts) [00:52] ugh. I've never been able to plug a bass direct into a board and get anything like the sound I hear out of my amp [00:52] lowspeed (n=jh@cpe-075-183-106-088.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:52] Base Fisching. [00:52] (or a guitar either) [00:52] Urchlay: not direct from guitar into board - from amp into board [00:52] ok, that makes sense [00:52] Urchlay: most amps have a line out, or pre-out [00:52] yah, mine does [00:53] Urchlay: you can get a really sweet bass sound through a guitar amp, too [00:53] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: "Leaving" [00:53] Urchlay, I once plugged a guitar directly in a shitty SB16 through a Metal Zone pedal and it had a "great sound", totally sounded like Burzum with the gigantic noise hahaha [00:53] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:54] normally, the bass is plugged into an alesis nanocompressor, then from there into the amp... and at live shows, the line-out from the amp goes to the board (my amp is just acting as my stage monitor) [00:54] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-180-168.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] indeed [00:54] don't know about that [00:55] that's beyond me [00:55] witukind: you don't play live ? [00:55] y0 MLanden, how's it going? [00:55] heya,slackers....How's everybody? [00:55] slackin [00:55] :) [00:55] I am fucking fabulous now that I managed to download a 16-bit linker for masm, MLanden [00:55] you? [00:56] rk4n3, I was to once, but unfortunately the show was cancelled at the last minute (I was to drum), so mostly my experience is not live :) [00:56] Awesome,godling..just awesome...:D [00:56] witukind: ah :) [00:57] rk4n3, but anyway for the kind of music I do, there's no sense to play it live [00:57] witukind: I'm the other way around. I've always been a live player, very rarely do anything in a studio (or if I do, someone else is recording us, we just play the songs like we would in practice) [00:58] witukind: eh? That track I just listened to would be perfect for a live show, get a serious mosh pit started [00:58] doin' good,fire|bird.....just had a burner finally "burn-out"...just replaced it [00:58] unless all of a sudden the fans of this kind of music began to be smart ;) [00:58] when I say that I speak of it "as a whole"... but nevertheless... [00:59] anything remotely resembling rock these days has a tough live scene - everyone wants to bump-n-grind to a DJ playing urban/hip-hop [00:59] Urchlay, I consider this track as the most "commercial" sounding track I did [01:00] I got the idea, and recorded it in a hurry with the other tracks at the time, but it sounds relatively catchy [01:01] did I miss a URL somewhere in there ? what track are you guys talking about ? [01:01] rk4n3, wait I'll give you link [01:02] ah, cool - I have to wait a few seconds... [01:02] rhys (n=rhys@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:02] it's just too bad that it's too hard to do a "real band" these days with several people. I had to learn all the fucking instruments myself over the years to suit myself [01:02] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:03] godling: what are you assembling at 16bit? [01:03] yeah, I tend to stick with 3-piece or 4-piece [01:03] godling: they are coming well [01:04] one problem I've had with the "real band" thing... there are a lot of really talented but completely uneducated musicians. They learn to play guitar by ear, but have no vocabulary to describe it, so you can't talk about it with them... [01:04] "I don't know WTF this chord is, I just put my fingers like *this* and it sounds awesome!" [01:04] Urchlay: yeah, they rely on the "jam" for communication, but I find such "jams" very painful [01:04] EKayFive (n=Paz@70.233.135.117) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [01:04] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] Urchlay, I'm basically a total guitar by ear person, but apparently according to my prof quite talented at it... [01:05] nah, I don't find them painful, I love jamming, I just don't want that to be the only form of communication [01:05] spook: nice! [01:05] godling: still doesnt compile [01:05] godling: LOTS of bugs [01:05] Urchlay, I see what you mean, it's hard to tell people like us, can you do a A chord etc... we don't know [01:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:05] witukind: yeah, that would drive me mad [01:05] eh, does drive me mad, in one of the bands I play with [01:06] Urchlay: I have spent so many hours in dead-end jams over the years, my patience is worn out on it [01:06] Urchlay, I'd be willing to learn, but then I have no people who are willing to help, so I just do my band alone :) [01:06] rk4n3: right, you can't *just* jam (unless you're all musicians of deity-like caliber) and expect to get anywhere [01:06] and learn every instrument [01:06] Urchlay: I pretty much insist that we have recordings of what we're doing at rehearsal, so we can all come with concrete ideas, if not fully-learned songs [01:07] jam sessions are great , they are just that , but even when i am in a jam session i am following some sort of pattern in my head at the very least as far as chord changed and lead parts in the key of BLAH in the MODE of blah. at least that i shappeneing in my head when in a jam session. [01:07] dtanner: right, it gives you a framework to hang everything from [01:07] Some for me I have an idea in my head but I can't express it except by chanting it :D [01:08] but the problem lays deep when you find a groove in a jam session adn need to tighten it up in a few places and you can't communicate with the other "play by ear only" musicians as to like "lets do this AFlAT here then got to a Bmajor next" stuff like that [01:09] dtanner: yeah, especially if you're the bass player (if I just play the root note, they can't hear whether it's major or minor... if I play a scale or whatever, they don't ever even go "show me that lick you're playing there"...) [01:09] then you get questions like "exactly how do i make an A_FLAT ? [01:09] then i go BAH HUMBUG [01:09] Middle C# F# F# ...repeat....... cool for Halloween...:D [01:09] MLanden: and Halloween isn't far away. :P [01:11] true,fire|bird....'specially with a gothic orchestra playing the follow up chords to that [01:11] ##slack-music [01:11] I've found that I so much prefer the "virtual jam", where we all independently put down a hoard of our own ideas into short snippets of recordings, and send copies to each other, then we all see what we can make of the other guys' ideas, and record results and share again, etc... [01:11] MLanden: haha, yeah. :) [01:12] well slackwares I went through surgery am ad am slive t tell about it. it was a fiasco. I think I am going to be an avodcate for improving hospitals and docotrs relationships with their patients here in the US. it has gotten to be grossly incompetent and NOT beacuse of the doctors education but more because they are arrogant, self-worshiooing, little shits. and the nurses just want to go home aw soon s their shift is finished, anything in bet [01:12] My guitar teacher said about me I was talented to find out easily which chord to play etc... but he said I was a lazy ass about learning the technical stuff... In fact I only went to the guitar lessons to learn the technical stuff to play what I wanted to play [01:12] but burses are in such high demand that the credentials to bcome a nurse are much less stringent now [01:13] dtanner: you think its bad now, just wait until they're all on the government payroll [01:13] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [01:16] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:16] witukind: thanks for the song - it was interesting - not my preferred kind of music, but I could find things to appreciate in there :) [01:16] rk4n3: that sounds intersting, maybe it will make it better? under at least some kind of supervision? just thinking out louf here. cananda doesn't seem to have a problem with it [01:16] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [01:16] 'morning world [01:17] morning g4tt0 [01:17] rk4n3, I did all the instruments in that, not the vocals, that was added later by a friend. But still I think it's a guite good result for a recording with Cool Edit Pro on a P200/64 megs of RAM :) [01:17] Morning, g4tt0 [01:17] rk4n3, it's demo worthy [01:17] ^^ [01:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@209.19.58.106) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:17] MLanden: maybe you should make a Halloween album. :P get an orchestra together. :P [01:18] dtanner: first thing to do about the hospital situation: let the nurses work 8 hour shifts instead of 12 [01:18] BucketHead rules the Haloween theme song [01:18] +l [01:18] lol...fire|bird....got the orchestra in a box..:D [01:18] haha [01:18] Urchlay: point taken and that is 2 POINTS for Urchlay [01:19] witukind: cool - pretty good for a mostly one-man-band :) [01:19] MLanden: and be sure to use ALL Linux audio tools for production, etc. ;) [01:19] No Windows, or other tools allowed. :P [01:20] hmmm, speaking of ausio and linux I wonder how ZINF is coming along nowadays? [01:20] Urchlay: that will only work if the pay for 8 hours of work is market-worthy [01:20] audio* [01:20] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [01:20] rk4n3, I did vocals too, but my vocals suck very much, though for most people that listen to this kind of music they don't see the difference. What genre of music do you like? [01:21] witukind: I like probably what we'd call melodic heavy rock - Alice In Chains, Breaking Benjamin, Godsmack, Disturbed, etc... [01:21] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:21] witukind: is Cool Edit Pro a linux based audio software ap? recrding/editing etc? [01:22] witukind: I also have a few "tandems" off the path - I love The Cult, and also a bunch of stuff from the 70's in the folk/pop genre [01:22] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [01:22] rk4n3: yeah, I don't actually know, but I bet nurses are underpaid too... [01:22] rk4n3, don't know any of the bands you mention except Alice In Chains just because of the name. I used to like Nirvana, Soundgarden and so forth [01:22] The Cult is a bad ass group [01:22] indeed [01:23] dtanner, no it's not, it's Windows app, it's called Adobe Audition these days, and linux apps can't really compete with it resource-wise and usability wise [01:23] Urchlay: nurses get pad pretty damn good money frolm what I have seen [01:23] witukind: yeah, Nirvana and Soundgarden are grouped into the "Seattle Grunge" thing with Alice In Chains [01:23] how do you run a program by ssh so it is executed on the remote host? example pidgin [01:23] witukind: send e a link please (search lazy right now =) [01:24] i get it forwarded [01:24] rk4n3, the band that like got me started off on music was Metallica ^^ [01:24] Keiffer: ssh -X you@remotehost pidgin [01:24] witukind: oh yeah, I love Metallica :) [01:24] Keiffer: I haven't tried it yet, but there's an option in ssh to pass x-protocol stuff [01:24] ... that's the "-X" :) [01:25] thank you guys! [01:25] ... but the remote host has to be configured to allow it, too [01:25] heh [01:25] fire|bird: some of the folks over at dyne::bolic http://dynebolic.org/ might have some good input on that [01:25] witukind: I was pulled into rock guitar in the late 70's by Van Halen [01:26] rk4n3, that's a band I never listened although these days I'm all into listening to old stuff I wouldn't have listened to when I was younger [01:26] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:27] witukind: check out the first two albums in particular [01:27] witukind: ... then move on to the other [01:27] (s) [01:27] someone left a "best of van halen" CD in my car, been listening to it while driving [01:27] I like "Rocka'Rolla" of Judas Priest... [01:27] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:28] witukind: yeah, Priest was good in their day [01:28] fire|bird: see me in #studios please? [01:28] I like everything of Priest [01:28] I've over at a friend's house and we just found an IBM Thinkpad 770Z that has been in a box since 2005. it powered up fine and gnome is configured [01:28] I got to see Priest in about 1989 or 1990, they were rockin [01:28] whiskas (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [01:28] Hot Rockin' :D [01:28] oriest fskin rules... Sad wings of destiny" is my all time favorite album. hell bent for leather is 100% jamming goodness too. [01:29] witukind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm7u1_7Jbnk [01:29] Action: witukind is listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm7u1_7Jbnk [01:29] I saw priest with scorpins decades ago .. it wss great [01:30] good find,antiwire..what I'd like to find is one of IBM's Workpad Z50 [01:30] another back that I LOVED live was THin Lizzy.. they never got the credit they deserved IMHO. [01:30] s/back/band/ [01:30] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [01:31] last time I saw Priest was in Balingen in Germany last year, they kicked ass [01:31] dtanner: sure [01:31] the one tie I saw boston live it was a horrifc experience.. they could not reproduce their studio recording to the point you could hardly tell which song they were playing live until it wa slamost over. so, all the gizmoa and gadgets used in their recordings were very hard to mimick in a live situaion [01:32] dtanner: good song from Phil Lynott is the one he did with Mark Knopfler..."King's Call" [01:33] are Slackware uses Heavy Metal fans? :D [01:33] *users [01:34] witukind: here's kind of the definitive guitar work of Eddie [01:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_lwocmL9dQ [01:34] Loud....wanna hear it loud...right between the eyes...:D [01:35] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [01:35] rk4n3, listening [01:37] rk4n3, how may hours did he spend learning this solo... it's unbelievable [01:37] he made it all up [01:37] guitar hero :) [01:37] alot of it is pieces that pop up in their music, too [01:37] AEnima15771 (n=clbarnob@h80ad23ce.async.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [01:37] adeodatus (n=rm@92.82.73.95) joined ##slackware. [01:38] newbieslacker (n=luis@host172.190-225-148.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [01:38] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:38] rk4n3, im learning php.. it's not that much to actually learn [01:39] ... like that strange piece where he's muting with his left hand down by the headstock, and then hammering with his thumb and palm up by the pickups ... that's the intro for "Mean Street" [01:39] jeev: yeah, its a language with a bunch of library support - learn the syntax, learn the library functions available, and then use good programming practices, and you're there :) [01:40] i just need to learn css [01:40] PHP, really good [01:40] i think css and the use of it is more serious heh [01:41] in all my "programmer career", PHP was my best friend [01:41] yeah, that's more in the html/http realm than php [01:41] must learn [01:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:43] jeev, PHP is used to alter (X)HTML, and then CSS/JavaScript is used for presentation. a website should as much as possible work with with bare (X)HTML [01:44] rk4n3, the solo is just godly [01:44] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:45] witukind: yeah, I was an Eddie fan most of my teen years - if you want to see truly godly though, check this one out... [01:45] so with slackpkg do I actually have to download the package first to do slackpkg info on it? [01:45] rk4n3, I'm still an "old Metallica" fan. [01:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvKqxNea9iA [01:46] lolol http://idle.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=09/09/17/1421258 [01:46] then someone posted saying he knows him: http://periluna.livejournal.com/35935.html [01:46] haha [01:46] it's got Slackware 8.1 [01:47] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [01:48] I left a router at my parents that was running Slackware 7.1... forgot all about it... it was running on a pentium 166 with 48 megs of RAM... it was still working good, but they decided to use a stupid "Livebox" with WIFI after my departure... [01:50] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:54] who works on slackpkg? [01:54] I found some strange behavior [01:54] http://pastebin.com/d78bea89b [01:55] godling: PiterPunk is [01:55] Slackware ought to have a decept C programmed package manager by this year [01:55] well you just pinged him so hopefully he'll see the paste [01:55] witukind: whats wrong with the shell script that is slackpkg [01:55] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.192.198) joined ##slackware. [01:55] spook: speed and robustness [01:56] godling: dont depend on that [01:56] witukind: in what way is it slower? [01:56] shouldnt it be slackpkg info $PRGNAME ? without version? [01:57] although i havent used slackpkg, and it seems to works with kdelibs [01:57] spook, it's obviously slower cause it's programmed in shell don't you agree? [01:58] witukind: nice circular argument we have going here. [01:58] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:58] witukind: lead the way [01:58] sahko: i dont know what it can match on [01:58] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [01:58] sahko: the point is that it works with kdelibs-versioninfostring but not with lprng-versioninfostring [01:59] one day maybe I'll be using Haiku and Linux will be forgotten even after over 10 years ofuse [01:59] sahko: so I think the script might be having problems matching it still (since both of those packages came up with a search for lprng) [01:59] Nick change: Wescotte_ -> Wescotte [02:00] honestly, Slackware lacks manpower [02:00] I'm enough manpower for anyone. [02:00] <- manly man [02:00] god I hate autotools [02:01] the KISS ideology is good, but the "keep packages as pristine as possible to hide the lack of manpower" is a total joke [02:01] what [02:01] why would anyone want to modify the packages? [02:02] aceofspades19, because programmer are not gods [02:02] I'm not following you [02:02] they do mistakes all the time [02:02] so we should fool around with the code from upstream because people aren't perfect? [02:03] do you work for debian by chance? [02:03] lol [02:03] we should force people from upstream to conform [02:03] I want cake. [02:03] We should totally mess with the randomizer in openssh [02:03] that always works out good [02:04] then you shall have cake [02:04] aceofspades19, debian is cool, but they suck cause they aren't unable to decide [02:04] just make it produce a stream of 108111108111108111... [02:04] debian wants to offer every possible thing [02:05] int random_number(){return 4;//garunteed to be random, choosen by dice roll} [02:05] I like mine better! [02:05] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] what about the packages is there to modify, though? can someone give me an example? [02:06] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:06] openssh obviously [02:07] what everyone wants is a killer Linux distro that uses less RAM and CPU cycles than every other Linux distro and does the same thing [02:07] isn't that slackware? [02:08] aceofspades19, mostly [02:08] and so your point is? [02:08] althought right now I'm light choking myself [02:08] what about the people who use Ubuntu? [02:08] they can go die ina fire [02:08] They're not interested in using less RAM or CPU cycles. [02:08] sahko: Hi [02:09] My point is that different people want different things from Linux. [02:09] Ubuntu is for people that are concerned that black people aren't able to sell drugs through ethernet [02:10] PiterPunk: Hi! sahko told me that you maintain slackpkg. I found some strange behavior with slackpkg. The output is pasted here: http://pastebin.com/d78bea89b [02:10] witukind: so what packages do you suggest we change in slackware? [02:10] witukind: what the hell? [02:11] godling: Hi, i saw it. Are you running slackware64, correct? [02:11] aceofspades19, a few ones, if you are interrested I've got slackware scripts to build quite a few packages in a more "descent" wat [02:11] PiterPunk: Yes sir! [02:11] godling: Seems to me that you have an stale pasture-filelist.gz in your /var/lib/slackpkg [02:11] (that was a joke) [02:12] what [02:12] that was to make fun of Ubuntu's pseudo-socialist stance to make big bucks [02:12] PiterPunk: Oh great, that seems like it might be it (I can't find lprng in it). [02:13] one second [02:13] witukind: so what packages are these [02:13] godling: go to /var/lib/slackpkg and remove ChangeLog.txt and *.gz. Than re-run slackpkg update. I hope this can fix the files there -:) [02:14] aceofspades19, wait a sec [02:15] yeah, now it's not showing lprng at all :) [02:15] all good [02:15] I wonder how it got stale [02:16] godling: if you run slackpkg update against an slackware 32 mirror this can happen [02:16] OH I did that exactly once before I switched it to slackware 64, that's probably why. [02:16] *to a slackware 64 mirro [02:16] *mirror [02:16] damnit [02:16] :) [02:17] I managed to mung my bash installation that way. School of Hard Knocks, I guess. [02:17] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@p5DC30D94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [02:18] godling: maybe I want to make slackpkg a bit clever and remove all .gz files on update [02:19] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:20] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD885C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:21] y0 slackytude [02:23] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:23] hi peoples, how is it going? [02:23] firedix (n=firedix@host195.201-252-177.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:23] hey slava_dp [02:26] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:27] PiterPunk: hey, how about making slackpkg check the current arch vs. the package list, and at least warn the user if he's about to try to install a bunch of i486 packages on x86_64? [02:28] morning ppl [02:28] y0 fire|bird Urchlay [02:28] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) joined ##slackware. [02:28] y0 slava_dp, how did your update go? [02:29] slackytude, did not do it yet :-) [02:29] PiterPunk: also you could distribute a default /etc/slackpkg/mirrors for x86_64, that doesn't even list the 32-bit mirrors (I bet 99.9% of the time someone makes that mistake, it's sheer carelessness, not because they don't know better...) [02:29] Urchlay: well... if user wants to brick his machine... [02:29] PiterPunk: now that you are here, i had sent you a couple of links from Greek Slackware mirrors a couple of months back. are you going to include them in future versions? just curious:) [02:29] sahko: Yes, i'll -:) [02:29] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:30] this is why we can't have nice things guys. [02:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:30] great thanks [02:30] yeah, but consider the case where someone's been using slackpkg on 32-bit slackware for a year or 2, then they upgrade to slackware64... out of habit, they might edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors to point to the slackware/ directory instead of slackware64/ [02:31] and there's nothing wrong with warning the user "you are about to brick your machine", as long as you don't actually force them not to... [02:31] Urchlay: i prefer to have only one package for all ports. But maybe I can do something more smart about mirror files [02:35] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.77.19) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [02:35] PiterPunk, did you get the buildscripts? [02:35] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.19) joined ##slackware. [02:36] maybe just stick a large block comment at the top of the file, warning the user that "selecting a 32-bit mirror on a slackware64 machine, or a 64-bit mirror on a 32-bit slackware machine, will render your system unusable!"... just that little bit of a reminder might be all that's needed [02:37] This Dell PC will never be the same :P http://imgur.com/KMAKg.jpg [02:37] that, or split the mirrors file into separate mirrors.i486 and mirrors.x86_64, and have your doinst.sh create the appropriate symlink [02:37] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:38] lol,fire|bird...way to accessorize...:P [02:38] haha [02:39] stig_ (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] fire|bird, nice girl though ;-) [02:39] fire|bird: where'd you find the link to that image? [02:39] MLanden: There's a whole roll of tape and all in there. I'm sure that thing will run like a dream now. :P [02:39] godling: digg [02:39] ah ha [02:40] slava_dp: yeah, just don't let her near your computer. :P [02:40] for the record, if a lovely young lady did that to my machine I would have a serious dilemma. [02:40] godling: to scream, or not to scream? :P [02:40] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-136.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:41] The mobo is even unseated. :P [02:43] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:43] why should a lovely young lady be so dumm as to not understand... that sounds like and american/marxist ideology... women don't want to have to with so called "geeks" because it's 1) unpopular according to the capitalist ideology, and 2) because the "geeks" are behaving like homos [02:44] slava_dp: She has nice blue eyes. :P [02:45] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:46] fire|bird: nice picture [02:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "just to eat" [02:48] dngr (n=dngr@n11649135131.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [02:48] http://www.gendershouldntmatter.org/ [02:48] How's it going slackytude? [02:48] read that [02:49] fire|bird: still alive. been a year older now [02:49] fire|bird: how about you [02:49] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.192.198) left irc: Connection timed out [02:49] slackytude: doing great, thanks. New opera snapshot this past Friday. :) [02:50] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-12-214.w90-34.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:50] fire|bird: anything funky? [02:50] slackytude: nah, nothing much done with this one. [02:50] I've been running it since Friday, no quirks or anything, running solid as ever. [02:51] same old then [02:51] yeah [02:52] stig (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] slackytude: My Opera has reached 3,000,000 users. Once it reaches 3,500,000, everyone gets an upgrade to 2G storage space. [02:53] cool [02:54] I spent some time reading about the Danger / Sidekick debacle [02:54] that looks like an epic fail [02:54] looks like all customer data got lost, while upgrading the SAN's [02:55] pretty embarrasing. run by MS too ^-^ [02:55] slackytude: They also have a message (and video) on my opera to encourage everyone to blog on 10.15.09 about Climate Change for Blog Action Day. [02:55] blog about climate change? [02:56] that sounds pretty stupid [02:56] slackytude: yeah, write about climate change on your My Opera blog (those that have one anyway) [02:56] a bit like the red nose day crap [02:56] meh [02:56] I read a letter from the CEO of T-Mobile in which he apologized for that. [02:57] godling: really? got a link [02:57] poor t-mobile got screwed pretty badly [02:59] slackytude: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/57476/massive-data-outage-hits-sidekick-users-over-the-weekend/ [02:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:59] Oh, it was the COO [02:59] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:00] oh it's 12 already [03:00] how absurd [03:01] lol [03:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [03:01] godling: eh, in that post they claim there is a chance of restoring from backups [03:01] rumor was the data was lost completly [03:02] yes but note the promise of a month's worth of credit [03:02] that will put a huge hurt on them [03:04] adeodatus (n=rm@92.82.73.95) left irc: Client Quit [03:04] yeah, they got screwed [03:04] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30D94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Imagine you run a successfull service of a slim device, which needs to access servers for basically all data [03:05] then MS buys the backend server stuff [03:05] then everything goes puff [03:05] night,folks..talk with all later [03:06] see ya MLanden [03:06] the way they (sometimes) screw their customers, they deserve it [03:06] good night MLanden, take care. [03:06] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-180-168.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [03:06] quasar: heh, I guess so [03:06] oh, I wanted to try new kde [03:06] didnt finish the upgrade on friday [03:09] nice uptodate slackbuilds for virtualbox-ose. [03:12] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-171.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:13] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-ltmfdcsboblvqiud) joined ##slackware. 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[03:17] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:19] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:20] newbieslacker (n=luis@host172.190-225-148.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware. [03:20] apparently the default vim package does not include compiled support for xterm_clipboard. how do you guys copy from vim and paste elsewhere? [03:21] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:21] godling: middle click of the mouse? [03:21] The-Croupier: doesn't work for me :/ [03:21] godling: both left and right clicks? [03:22] nope [03:22] godling: 1.select text, 2.goto other app, 3.click both left and right clicks [03:22] yes, The-Croupier [03:22] I just tried that :) [03:22] it doesn't work [03:23] it works for you? [03:23] yep [03:23] both the above [03:23] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:23] vim right? [03:23] did you check man vim for cp option? [03:24] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:24] godling: :he yank [03:25] dude [03:25] I will look again. [03:26] already looked? sorry i wasnt following [03:26] no sahko I didn't state that I had. [03:26] it's ok [03:27] cpoptions seems to cover compatible vs. nocompatible [03:27] I've always had nocompatible set [03:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.255.212) joined ##slackware. [03:27] I also have problems with copying test with vim + putty. in putty [03:28] see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3279687#post3279687 it sums up everything you need to know about c/p in vim afaict [03:28] I've always used the + register before [03:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.255.212) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:28] or * [03:28] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:29] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [03:29] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:30] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:31] The-Croupier: can you type vim --version |grep clipboard and tell me if it is - or + in front of xterm_clipboard for you? [03:32] sidh (n=tinom@intellitec2.net) joined ##slackware. [03:34] greetings gentlemen [03:34] stargate universes anyone [03:35] ? [03:35] spider1010: is it worth trying to watch, or is it more recycled dreck like the last season of sg-1? [03:36] If they can keep the tone and pace of the pilot up into the series then it'll be awesome [03:36] the first episode was cool the second was not the best but still good [03:36] spider1010: It's all teh same episode [03:37] I liked about the first 4 or 5 seasons of SG-1 and maybe about half of atlantis [03:37] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] they had a new one where they were on the planet [03:37] spider1010: That's part 3 of the pilot [03:37] i'm not gothic anymore http://omploader.org/vMmoxeg [03:37] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:37] yea after a while they a go downhill [03:37] i'm used to use bsd system , but for a laptop dev platform i need to have a Linux system, so I'm interesting in slackware. But while i'm reading the doc on the official website , i can not see how to manage apps from source, on several websites i can see you have to retrive the source tar.gz of the apps and make install clean it , but is there a slackware ports tree (for patching the sources in order to install cleanly on slackware )? [03:38] what the hell is deco's problem? :P [03:38] a 3 part pilot? well i didn;t know that [03:38] samyf (n=adeodatu@92.84.15.139) joined ##slackware. [03:38] sidh: there's sbopkg [03:39] alrite [03:39] kde 4.3.1 [03:39] sidh: that's for stuff not included in the default packagesets though [03:39] or was it 4.3.2 [03:39] is there any problem right now with gmail imap ? [03:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [03:39] great, szstem settings window hangs [03:39] thurderbird times out connecting gmail [03:39] init[1]: ask google [03:39] init[1]: ping the server [03:40] spider1010: Yeah, parts 1 and 2 aired on the second in a 2 hour presentation and the other week was part 3. I liked part 3 actually, if they can keep that up it'll remain worth watching [03:40] init[1]: do any number of things to determine the status of the service :P [03:40] godling: i can ping google, but imap isn't working [03:40] true [03:40] spider1010: Parts 1 and 2 were mostly scene setting, part 3 is what I hope sets the tone for the rest of the series [03:40] gawd I hate kde [03:40] godling: i thought any here would be using imap with thunderbird so just asked ! [03:41] s/any/any one/ [03:41] gtg everyone [03:41] later [03:41] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:41] godling: so there is slapkg for packages and sbopkg for ports , is that right ? [03:42] mm [03:42] sidh: slackpkg [03:42] yes [03:42] so is there a way to strip the installed kde out and install gnome instead? [03:42] and all the pkgs that go along iwth it? [03:43] init[1]: thunderbird is notoriously retarded [03:43] init[1]: but then Google never discloses when it actually has problems, so who knows? [03:43] godling: i never feel that unless it fails for what i ask it to do :) [03:43] med\weed: there are 3rd partz package sets for gnome on slack [03:44] godling: aah ok :) [03:44] Action: med\weed sighs [03:44] med\weed: cant recall a name tho [03:44] well [03:44] how about at least some compiz scripts [03:44] i need the rest of it - fusion-icon/ccsm/cube-rotate/put/grid [03:44] med\weed: aptitude remove --purge ubuntu-desktop && aptitude install ubuntu-desktop [03:44] why the change to .txz anyways? [03:44] :P [03:44] med\weed: aptitude remove --purge kubuntu-desktop && aptitude install ubuntu-desktop [03:45] sidh: i've howtos for compiz+ubu [03:45] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.128.36) joined ##slackware. [03:45] :P [03:45] [that i wronte] [03:45] s/wronte/wrote [03:45] ttyX (n=archer@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [03:45] Can someone tell me why do I get this message whenever I try to create a dir in my home folder [03:45] mkdir: cannot create directory [03:46] ttyX: free space_ [03:46] the error is pretty straightforward. what are you typing to create the directory? [03:46] eh, you somehow removed write permission for your user, and/or changed the owner? [03:46] ls -ld . [03:46] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:47] usually you get a more specific error ("no space left on device" for disk full, or "permission denied" for bad permission/ownership) [03:47] drwxrwxr-x 34 slacker slacker 4096 2009-10-12 12:17 [03:47] and slacker is your user, right? [03:48] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-171.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:48] yes [03:48] does it say *anything* else besides "cannot create directory"? [03:49] mkdir: cannot create directory `/dir1': Permission denied [03:49] just this [03:49] eh, /dir1 would be you trying to create a directory in someplace that isn't your home directory [03:49] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [03:49] and yah, there's the expected error message: your user hasn't got write permission to the root directory, aka / [03:50] no it's my home folder only [03:50] /home/slacker [03:50] /dir1 is NOT in your home dir, unless you edited /etc/passwd to make / your home dir [03:51] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) joined ##slackware. [03:51] can you possibly copy and paste exactly what you typed and exactly what it said, into www.pastebin.ca or such? [03:51] ok now I get it [03:51] I'll have to give full path is that it? [03:52] not really [03:52] got it [03:52] now it works [03:52] if you typed "mkdir /dir1", that's a full path (to a place where you don't have write permission) [03:52] with full path [03:52] you already used a full path [03:52] but I wa sin my home folder [03:53] is the path "/home/slacker/dir1"? [03:53] hi. Im having problem with ipv6.. http://ipv6.pastebin.com/m7dedef12 the top lines is from dmesg and the bottom is from the tunnelbroker.net site. what am I doing wrong? [03:53] it doesn't matter where you are, if you type a / in front, that means "start at the root" [03:53] yes godling [03:53] slackware 13 in vmware though. but I had the samep problem on my laptop [03:53] if you wanted a relative path, that would be "mkdir dir1" to create dir1 in the current directory (which may or may not be your home directory, look at your prompt or type "pwd" to find out where you are) [03:54] ok that was so stupid of me [03:54] ttyX: that's fine, then. as long as you don't try to write where you don't have permission to write, you will not get an error [03:54] thanks for heads up Urchlay [03:54] ttyX: not stupid, you're still learning, right? [03:54] everyone's new once [03:54] yep [03:55] thanks again ;) [03:55] can anyone help me with ipv6?:) [04:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:02] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:03] ttyX (n=archer@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware. [04:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [04:05] Kowalczyk: yeah me [04:08] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@81.57.177.108) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [04:09] ok, I'm building vim with x support and see if that's any better :P [04:09] godling: you mean gvim? [04:09] no [04:10] oh got cha! :) [04:10] spook: ok.. I have to fix something. I msg you soon :D [04:10] init[1]: so I can use the X11 stuff [04:10] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [04:10] init[1]: like the clipboard namely [04:10] aah! [04:10] Kowalczyk: okay :) [04:11] Action: init[1] spoooooooooooook [04:11] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] init[1]: do you have vim installed? [04:12] yes, both of them [04:12] init[1]: type vim --version|grep clipboard [04:13] init[1]: do you see a - or do you see a + in front of xterm_clipboard? [04:13] -xterm_clipboard [04:13] init[1]: yeah? [04:14] godling: +xterm_clipboard for gvim --version|grep c.. [04:14] spook: ;) [04:14] init[1]: okay... [04:14] yes, it's supported in gvim init[1] [04:15] sweet, it worked. <3 [04:15] :) [04:15] init[1]: if it's supported you can highlight something in vim, yank it into register *, then paste it somewhere outside of vim [04:16] 1 [04:16] godling: yea indeed i was wondering,why it never worked [04:16] that's why [04:16] i usually do that from browser to vim but never worked at all! [04:17] gvim should work for that init[1] [04:17] godling: aah thats nice trick ;) thank you [04:17] but there's no decent shell with gvim so that's why I don't like gvim [04:18] godling: i don't use gvim usually,but undercertain situations i may! for faster use i go with mousepad [04:19] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:21] Action: init[1] \o/ gmail imap back to normal ! [04:22] ugh. this code my professor gave us has an if statement -> while statement -> two nested if statements [04:23] eh, does it need that, to get its job done? [04:23] Action: init[1] [OT] http://www.wikihow.com/Make-OpenCola [04:23] just maybe Urchlay [04:23] I don't know for certain yet [04:23] the methods are adding and removing from a BST [04:23] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [04:23] binary [something] tree? [04:23] binary search tree [04:24] right [04:24] knew you weren't talking about British Standard Time at least... [04:25] just a binary tree (a tree with no more than two children) with the left child having a key less than the key of the right child [04:25] er, s/tree/node/ [04:25] right [04:25] next is self-balancing bst [04:26] this is in the same class where you needed masm? [04:26] no, this is for a data structures class [04:26] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-139-213.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:27] the asm class meets at 8 in the morning. I should be sleeping but meh. [04:28] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.19) joined ##slackware. [04:28] asm at 8am [04:28] fun [04:28] intel asm [04:28] bleah, 8am is the worst time to try to think about anything as complex as assembly & machine architecture [04:28] slackytude: 8088 [04:29] then the data structures class isn't until 4PM [04:29] weee [04:29] I'll probably come home and take a nap in between [04:30] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [04:30] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:30] slackytude: could be worse [04:30] slackytude: could be mips [04:31] "jump and link" seemed weird to me when I was reading about mips asm [04:31] can't remember how it actually works now though [04:33] what can be a prerequisite to cron dying on slack 12.2? it happened to my box several times already. [04:33] slava_dp: nuclear war? [04:33] slava_dp: energy spike? [04:33] vslava_dp: what's the log say? [04:33] ;P [04:34] I guess those aren't prerequisites, though [04:34] the logs are empty. even if i set cron to log (-l8), no errors there, it just dies. [04:34] that's strange [04:35] isn't the default 8? [04:35] it did that when i was editing a bash script cron was supposed to launch. i closed the editor, ps ax and cron was not there any more. [04:35] eh, does it always die after the same amount of time? or at the same time every day maybe? [04:35] (just grasping at straws here) [04:36] i'm just thinking if it is supposed to die if the app it launched can not be executed or something... [04:36] or maybe a bad exit status [04:38] nah [04:38] nothing's ever supposed to kill the cron daemon [04:39] the only problem I've found with huludesktop is it doesn't run on slamd64 12.2 (something about glib mismatch :) ) [04:39] slava_dp: eh, the loglevel for -l seems to be, lower numbers = log more stuff [04:40] Urchlay, yep. -l10 is the default iirc. should i set it to -l1? [04:40] the manpage said the default was 8 [04:40] you might try running "crond -d" to run it in debugging mode (which sets -f and -l0, per "man crond") [04:41] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-123.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] grep cron /etc/rc.d/rc.M [04:41] kk, will do cron -d, thanks for suggesting. [04:41] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-237-223.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [04:43] but seriously, crond is supposed to be bullet-proof, runs forever & ever amen [04:43] still awake Urchlay ? [04:43] morning :) [04:44] yeah [04:44] slackytude: unless he's talking in his sleep [04:44] morning Camarade_Tux [04:44] s/talking/typing/ ;-) [04:44] already awake? its hardly 11am [04:44] yoyo slackytude :) [04:44] slackytude: yeah :P [04:44] bastard ^-^ [04:44] slackytude: I have german at 1:30pm [04:44] good luck with that [04:44] Action: init[1] [OT] http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/01/nvidia-fakes-fermi-boards-gtc/ [04:45] Im too tired to do anything useful today [04:45] slackytude: we are a group of 11, 3 are bilingual and 1 very good, 4 are pretty bad ='( [04:45] Camarade_Tux: were are you in that group? [04:46] bilingual of course :P [04:46] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:50] godling: slackpkg isn't more slower thatn slapkg ? [04:51] sidh: ? did you mean slapt-get rather than slapkg? [04:51] sidh, there is no slapkg. [04:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_%28drink%29 <- headdesk imho [04:53] http://code.google.com/p/slapkg/ [04:53] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:53] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-123.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:54] well, seems slapkg main's goal is to replace pkgtool [04:54] woot, it's in python \o/ [04:54] [04:56] ahem. what for? for the sake of some speed? i'm sticking with pat and the native pkgtools. [04:57] Camarade_Tux: why do you say slackpkg's main goal is to replace pkgtool? [04:58] Oh, I didn't read sidh's post. [04:59] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@87.1.168.214) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:00] he [05:00] I see he/she/it says: I happen to like slackpkg, but it's dog slow [05:00] There is a patch a fellow here in China put on LQ that speeds up slackpkg amazingly. [05:00] Just a fyi if anyone's interested. [05:01] Action: init[1] Final [OT] for the day http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/video-nokias-product-testing-labs-in-3-minutes-42-seconds/ [05:01] Action: slava_dp looks curiously at init[1], who keeps posting irrelevant links to the channel. [05:01] and the reason I don't want python in any sytem tool: it may not be there/working/anything [05:02] Camarade_Tux, that's right. [05:02] bash is 614K compressed, python is 11-32K [05:03] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vhdcbltmupqtcjkf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:03] s/-/6/ which makes it 11632K [05:03] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FD855.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] Action: init[1] i'm done no more of this ;) [05:04] sorry for annoying with my questions but waht is the difference betwween http://packages.slackware.it/ and http://slackbuilds.org/ (that means much rich of apps) ? [05:05] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:05] much rich of apps? [05:06] what does that mean in English? [05:06] godling: emm to be much more apps in slackbuilds [05:06] sorry godling [05:06] the first is supposed to be official Slackware packages, but isn't updated. The second is a third party source for Slackware build scripts. [05:06] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-jccsyugwxbwtkxpl) joined ##slackware. [05:06] s/emm/seems [05:07] yaaawn....morning all...*sipps sum more black coffee* [05:07] mingdao: which one would you recommend ? [05:07] well, packages.slackware.it is up-to-date :o [05:07] sidh: Slackbuilds.org is a project (not officially Slackware) that maintains Slackbuild scripts, but not the source. [05:07] sidh: they have different uses [05:07] sidh: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [05:08] sidh: packages.slackware.it *only* shows the packages precompiled in slackware, slackbuilds.org and other website lets you compile new packages easily [05:09] packages.slackware.it is The Slackware Package Browser, but iirc it is not really kept up-to-date. Or, when I last looked maybe a couple of years ago, it wasn't. [05:09] Camarade_Tux: correct? [05:09] no it doesn't seem to be [05:09] you can't find slackware64 stuff there [05:10] I think it was a somewhat good idea that didn't quite get implemented. [05:10] ok thank you , as it is for a laptop that get very quickly warm (old or broken fan), maybe the package option should be a good way [05:10] Or maybe it was Andreas? Perhaps when alienBOB has time he can clarify that. [05:11] Nick change: samyf -> aigon [05:11] sidh: have you tried to use compressed air to blow the dust out of the fan? [05:11] mingdao: right now, it shows packages for slackware13 [05:11] mingdao: yes several time [05:11] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [05:11] samyf > aigon > adeatous somesuch? [05:11] didn't make it solved [05:11] although I've had troubles with it not showing slackware64-* packages [05:12] sidh: that sucks [05:12] sidh: Those are easily replaced ... take it to someone if you can't do it before you burn something up. ;) [05:12] sidh: *if you can't replace it yourself* [05:12] hello mingdao [05:13] aigon: I'm gonna change your nick to schizo, if I figure out how to spell it. ;) [05:13] godling: i noticed compiling make things worth, (i used to compile ports with freebsd)) [05:13] you can't do that! [05:14] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-139-213.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:14] pssst [05:14] not so loud [05:14] Im hunting wabbits [05:14] Action: godling clucks like a chicken [05:14] High_Priest (n=MMF@195.212.29.187) joined ##slackware. [05:14] sidh: of course compiling is going to use your CPU more, which requires a working fan to keep it cool [05:15] hi [05:15] hi [05:15] sidh: When I first starting using Linux years ago, I did not realize something in software should control the fan. [05:15] slackytude: then you should probably forget to make that left turn at Albuquerque. [05:15] sidh: ACPI wasn't working properly, and overheating burned the southbridge chip of that laptop. [05:15] godling: :) [05:16] I always kept the fan on high on my laptops because of that possibility [05:16] loud [05:16] mingdao: How are you? [05:16] busy, and you? [05:17] maybe linux kernels has better acpi that freebsd for this laptop, once installed , i will try to play with it under slackware [05:17] I'm working too. [05:18] sidh: I also run a system monitor -- GKrellM -- so I always see what's going on with fans, voltages, temps, etc. [05:18] ok i will try that apps (if it is not too bloated) [05:19] mingdao: `watch -n1 sensors` ftw [05:19] hehehe [05:19] conversely you can install cpufrequtils to query/set your cpu frequency, and lm_sensors for temperature stuff [05:19] Zordrak: gkrellm shows more [05:19] ;) [05:19] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] and it's handy over there >>>> [05:20] and it has pretty colors to show status graphs [05:20] http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/Linux_images/gkrellm-irssi.png [05:21] mingdao: fine :) conky ftw [05:21] Action: slava_dp never sees his desktop under all those windows. he uses xfce panel plugins instead ;-) [05:22] slava_dp: I use one of those for my battery info [05:23] My screen res is high enough so all windows open a few pixels narrower than full to keep GKrellM visible [05:23] omg, the colours! my eyes! [05:23] mingdao: are you running inside screen? [05:23] yes [05:23] irssi in screen on the server [05:24] thus the new|1|2| [05:24] that is urxvt ... not screen [05:24] that's my terminal [05:24] tabs? [05:24] yes [05:24] mingdao: you timed out! [05:24] it's a perl extension to urxvt [05:24] tmux ftw [05:24] I know urxvt has them, but I never had use for them [05:25] I prefer one terminal with tabs to a lot of terms [05:25] I just have meta-T mapped to open a new terminal :) [05:25] http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6808/slavasdtop.png [05:25] I like to have terminals next to each other [05:25] xchat ew [05:26] mingdao: i prefer to have a multiplexed terminal [05:26] what's that? [05:26] thats it [05:27] screen or better tmux are one of those [05:27] that is my desktop. i'm just showing off my xfce panel plugins. [05:27] i am finally totally hacked off with en-US firefox [05:27] im rebuilding an en-GB [05:27] slava_dp: is that the xfce dict plugin? [05:27] slava_dp: http://ssh.shellium.org/~buffer/images/Screenshot.png [05:27] Zordrak: why? [05:27] Action: init[1] xfce guy ;) [05:27] god damn Letter format.. what IS that anyway?! theres a reason everyone else on the planet uses A4 [05:28] I take it Alan_Hicks doesn't like winter even a little bit. ;) [05:28] tiny terminal init[1] [05:28] Zordrak: you must hate America .... [05:28] Zordrak: have a deep-fried twinkie [05:28] godling: :) yea i use xtem and xfce terminal [05:29] mingdao: No.. i hate Americans using a different standard to *everyone else in the world* for no obviously good reason [05:29] s/xtem/xterm/ [05:29] godling, yep, that's the dict, set to fire up a browser pointed to a translating website. [05:29] even frigging NASA [05:29] just like the british [05:29] Zordrak: so don't interact with America ... simple [05:29] Zordrak: white people. go figure. [05:29] mingdao: yeah.. thatd be simple in my job.. sure [05:29] then quit bitching [05:29] ;) [05:30] See, you need American's for the money ... so don't complain. ;) [05:30] mingdao: you're the communist sympathizer in the channel. [05:30] You're in the same boat with the rest of the world Zordrak [05:30] ircnet has a ##slackware? [05:31] godling: that is my config file from irssi [05:31] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:31] i have named it ircnet! [05:31] ah [05:32] godling: btw you wont find any blurred image :D [05:32] hope you got what i meant ! [05:32] init[1]: You know there is an irc network called ircnet? [05:32] yes [05:33] that's why I was confused. [05:33] what is that icon to hte left of thunderbird, init[1]? [05:33] yea i know ! just liked that name so i named it :) [05:33] thunderbird+firefox+irssi+pwrmgr [05:34] Action: init[1] all-tray tricks ;) [05:34] oh kde why do you hate me so [05:34] to the left of TB is a power indicator? [05:34] OH [05:35] yeah I just made out the plug [05:35] tells you plugged in or not maybe [05:35] it looks like a crying chibi girl [05:35] at first glance [05:36] init[1]: Enough people still using Minix to maintain an IRC channel? [05:36] yes i use it for my monitor (power saving) and power button(behaviour)! [05:36] hokay so.. im off to find the firefox slackbuild [05:36] mingdao: people are idle atimes you can see life ;) [05:36] I thought Minix basically died. [05:37] Minix is still alive. [05:37] mingdao: no way, it went through a redesign to mirokernel ! and still developed [05:38] minix2->minix3 [05:38] for embedded? [05:38] i can be used for any purpose ,but right now it isn't mature enough to run X as robust a linux [05:38] it^ [05:39] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:39] hmm [05:39] mingdao: http://equinox-project.org/sitemedia/screenshots/th_minix3.png [05:40] Zordrak, i'm going to make a russian firefox package in the coming days. also openoffice.org. my parents do not understand them in english. [05:40] init[1]: I hear the same thing about Windows. [05:40] windows ! [05:40] Who is developing Minix right now? [05:40] slava_dp: there is a website where you can just give the language code and build OOo quite nicely [05:40] aigon: Tanenbaum still? [05:41] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.128.36) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:41] or his students? [05:41] init[1]: your screenshot is too small ... haven't found my magnifying glass since the renovation and moving back into the office [05:41] mingdao, link please? :) i thought i'd adapt rworkma_'s slackbuild to it. [05:41] Linus Torvalds iirc ;) [05:41] yeah alisonken1noc, that too [05:41] aigon: students and others from out side the http://www.vu.nl [05:41] slava_dp: I [05:41] mingdao, language fail [05:41] mingdao: that is not my screenshot its from EDE project [05:42] is that something naughty in mandarin? [05:42] ok - students _other_ than linus :) [05:42] please wait a minute [05:42] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.128.142) joined ##slackware. [05:42] mingdao: you can zoom that in firefox! [05:42] How does Minix runs on a pc? [05:43] aigon: yes, on 32bit machines we use Qemu for development [05:45] aigon: decent I've heard - rather lacking in apps, though [05:45] even more than linux [05:45] Budd_ (n=budd@76.247.205.255) left irc: Operation timed out [05:45] alisonken1noc: it has python php apache and more , well i would say good for a student ! [05:45] btw even perl^ [05:45] perl runs on everything :) [05:46] slava_dp: http://submax.altervista.org/index.php?link=slackware/openoffice-autobuilder-multilang.php [05:46] :) [05:46] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:46] how does the microkernel runs in comparation with monoliyckernel of linux? [05:46] mingdao: ahem, do we have a english version of it? [05:47] aigon: http://ssh.shellium.org/~buffer/pdf/Redesigning-Unix-for-Reliability.pdf.bz2 [05:47] that will answer you questions ;) [05:48] init[1]: zooming that image > th_minix3.png: PNG image, 160 x 120, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced < just makes it pixelated and unreadable [05:48] init[1]: you change the OOLANG variable to suit your language [05:49] mingdao, nice, will try that. [05:49] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] or maybe it's ISOCODE you change [05:49] It makes a nice OOo Slack package [05:50] init[1], http://tinyurl.com/yzkdmeg [05:50] aah knew that but usually sites have [en] or smthing that was missing in mingdao's link! [05:51] init[1]: sorry, you can't read the Italian? [05:52] init[1]: just d/l http://submax.altervista.org/getfile.php?file=slackware/openoffice-autobuilder-multilang-3.1.1-noarch-22sm.tgz and untar it ... easy from there iirc [05:52] mingdao: no ! now way! [05:52] no^ [05:52] init[1]: what is your native language? [05:52] gobbledegook.. [05:52] ;) [05:52] I resemble that remark. ;) [05:52] How did I time out? [05:53] well i would prefer what rworkma_ did to a slacky.eu build obviously. but i will look into that. [05:53] Zordrak: gobblegook? [05:53] Nick change: AlexElliott_ -> AlexElliott [05:54] init[1]: No.. that would be a Vietnam War epic [05:54] about a poor vietnamese prostitute trying to save her village [05:54] slava_dp: that guy used Robby's SlackBuild ... he just added special sauce to d/l source and fix it up for other languages. Something Robby's script doesn't do. [05:55] slava_dp: it still uses the rpms like Robby's script ... just read the script, it does a wee little bit different, but nice [05:55] mingdao, well, in that case it's pretty nice. [05:55] ;) [05:55] name recognition [05:55] v4nelle (n=van@adsl77-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:55] untar the source in ~/build/openoffice/ and read it. ;) [05:56] Zordrak: J.K. Rowling makes "Gobbledegook" the language of goblins in the Harry Potter novels! any way;) [05:57] Action: Zordrak stabs init[1] for referring to that ridiculous shitpile of an excuse for literature [05:58] Zordrak needs a hug. [06:00] I think Zordrak wanted to go to Hogwart's. [06:07] aigon (n=adeodatu@92.84.15.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:10] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.128.142) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:10] Darko (n=MMF@195.212.29.171) joined ##slackware. [06:10] High_Priest (n=MMF@195.212.29.187) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [06:11] Nick change: Darko -> Guest58437 [06:12] slackytude: I had homework for my german course but didn't know it, it was written on the back of a shit of paper and I hadn't seen it ='( [06:13] (I'm really tempted not to go =/ ) [06:13] Camarade_Tux: how do you say "tough shit" in german...:p [06:14] Action: Zordrak is back from the shop with brand new coffee [06:14] ground only 5 mins ago [06:14] its gonna be goooooooooooooood [06:15] Srbo (n=Srbo@p4FE9239D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:15] t [06:15] Srbo (n=Srbo@p4FE9239D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [06:15] Zordrak: so what house in Hogwart's did you want to be in? [06:16] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:17] The-Croupier: dunno, ask slackytude! :D [06:17] and I can't read what the teacher wrote [06:18] Camarade_Tux: a shit of paper, eh [06:18] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-26-43.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:18] The-Croupier: schade means "too bad" [06:18] The-Croupier: verdammtes pech [06:18] Zordrak for Hufflepuff! :-D [06:18] The-Croupier: would be a good translation [06:18] slackytude: does it mean the same thing conceptually though? [06:19] slackytude: the other side of the paper had Kreuxworträtsel but I didn't see the back ='( [06:19] godling: yes, literal translation would be harte scheisse, but that makes no sense [06:19] is schade similar though? [06:19] like schadenfreude I guess [06:19] godling: yeah, schade is too bad [06:19] yup [06:20] leave it to the Germans to come up with that one :P [06:20] think I'll be skipping (it's very exceptional for me) [06:20] heh [06:20] Camarade_Tux: missed your homework? [06:20] slackytude: do germans use "schade" or is it unused [06:20] Camarade_Tux: sure, its used [06:20] slackytude: yeah, completely =/ [06:20] someone here posted a line for creating window-aliases /1 - /70 or so for irssi. anybody still has it? [06:20] Camarade_Tux: why shouldnt it [06:20] Camarade_Tux: heh, shit happens [06:21] slackytude: ok, the way I learnt it, it sounded like it wasn't actively used [06:21] Camarade_Tux: eh [06:21] Camarade_Tux: schade [06:21] what would be a literal translation of verdammtes pech into English? [06:21] it was in one of those stupid made-up conversation and one said "ach schade" and that sounded completely artificial [06:21] godling: damn bad luck [06:21] bad luck? [06:22] thanks slackytude [06:22] or something with luck I think :D [06:22] aww man.. if i could digitise the smell of this coffee... [06:22] \o/ [06:22] slackytude: I got the German genetics but not the language. :) [06:22] one of the funny things. there is no word for "pech" in english. Its the opposite of luck, so you say bad luck [06:22] Zordrak: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/news/Childrens-toys---gadgets/17249439/Japanese-scientists-make-breakthrough-with-smell-device ? [06:23] so in German the word "luck" implies good luck? [06:23] "it it wasn't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all" [06:23] tinyurl... [06:23] godling: yep [06:23] slackytude: how fortuitous [06:23] in french, pech translates to "malchance" which is "badluck" (in one word) [06:23] mal for bad [06:23] Zordrak: hehe :P [06:23] conversely there are hundreds of english words with multiple synonym for which the germans have but one [06:23] malpractice [06:24] pech should be normalement [06:24] or at least it seems that way [06:24] normalement? [06:25] if there is ever digital scent I'm tearing off my nose [06:25] bad luck = normal every day [06:25] just use IPtables for the bad smell [06:25] haha [06:25] good luck = bizarre consequence of brownian motion [06:25] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-214-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:27] slackytude: could you imagine computer viruses with digital scent? [06:27] "hahaha, I farted" [06:27] that'd be awful [06:27] godling: -> straterror [06:27] Zordrak: what? [06:27] t0f (i=1000@4.238.249.41) joined ##slackware. [06:27] hmmmmm, ads with beer smell... [06:28] straterror: n/ 1. A computer virus with a digital scent [06:28] haha [06:28] although I don't know exactly what that means [06:28] but it's 03:28 so I'll laugh at nearly anything. [06:28] Action: Camarade_Tux pours beer in godling's glass [06:28] feeling better? :) [06:29] university started [06:29] No, I just read that ICANN is going to have international membership. [06:29] and Im still at work [06:29] mo and tuesday are workdays [06:29] slackytude: don't skip classes, it's bad! :o [06:29] rest of the week is uni [06:29] slackytude: I "wake up" for my class in an hour and a half [06:29] Camarade_Tux: not working is bad too [06:29] yes it is [06:30] I need a job, desperately. [06:30] 20h a week Im at work [06:30] rest is for study [06:30] where do you work? [06:30] I need a job too [06:30] slackytude: how well does it pay? [06:30] software house [06:30] Camarade_Tux: good enough [06:31] you all need a job.. i need an assisstant.. [06:31] just pretty busy. and I guess I have to add a semester, wont make it in the regular time [06:31] how far along in University are you? [06:31] but im not the one holding the purse strings- [06:31] I need a job to pay for the computer I'm going to buy [06:31] this semester and next and Id have my bachlor [06:31] I need a job to pay for my dental work. [06:31] but Id probably have to add another one [06:31] Zordrak: hahaha :P [06:32] slackytude: they keep cancelling classes out here because of the budget crisis [06:32] slackytude: Schwarzenegger thinks that Cal State funding is expendable. [06:32] slackytude: could you imagine that sinfest stops? that'd be horrible :o [06:32] ha, see what you get for voting an austrian [06:33] I didn't vote him in. [06:33] yeah, europeans suck [06:33] Especially Austrians. [06:33] well, someone did [06:33] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:33] godling: that sucks [06:33] not the same here, as of yet [06:33] slackytude: People who liked Terminator. [06:34] He was on the Republican ticket. [06:34] here they ive you loans to pay the tuition fees.. and another loan to pay for somewhere to live.. but they dont pay you on time.. if at all.. leaving you unable to pay for the course and unable to buy food or semwhere to live.. but they still start charging you £30 a month interest which will be there until 20 years after you die [06:34] but to tell the truth I dont expect any budget problems at the uni I am. Its pretty big and one with the best ratings. [06:35] So he was catering to the gun-toting and cheez-whiz guzzling population [06:35] 9% of every penny I earn over £15,000 in a year goes to pay my student loan [06:35] eh [06:35] Action: slackytude smok break [06:35] if i had gone to uni five years later therced be twice as much to pay off [06:35] Zordrak: I have over £18,922 in student loans atm [06:36] aye [06:36] and I still have at least a year left [06:36] the missus is just starting her first year as a mature student [06:36] more if they keep cancelling classes [06:36] heh [06:36] the missus [06:36] :) [06:37] i have no better name [06:37] aw man slackytude [06:37] I want a cigarette. [06:37] I haven't had one in over two months though. [06:37] don't smoke, it costs too much -_- [06:37] godling: good ;) [06:37] I know Camarade_Tux [06:37] and it stinks -_- [06:37] That's one of the biggest reasons I quit. [06:37] i used to until i got out of working for an ISP.. not smoked isnceu [06:37] *since [06:37] smoking is great when you're drinking [06:37] I haven't been doing that lately either. [06:39] I'm almost alcoholic >< [06:39] (I'm 21) [06:39] pff [06:39] Camarade_Tux < spook [06:40] Zordrak: ? [06:41] if you are alcoholic then spook is the Angel of Booze [06:41] slackie (n=x@87-196-217-192.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:41] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-hhstdoooruuucszs) left irc: "Page closed" [06:41] Action: slackie hi there \o [06:42] my university is still using LEAP for their wireless network [06:42] I can't bring myself to connect to the wireless network [06:42] mine uses a wep key of "s:12345" and a pptp vpn [06:43] [5~[5~[6~w/win 4 [06:43] Camarade_Tux: \o/ [06:43] he :P [06:43] Zordrak: lol thanks :) [06:43] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [06:43] internet off and I wanted to know when ssh would "resume" [06:43] Action: Zordrak has no WLAN at work and remote access only throug OpenVPN [06:43] eh [06:43] have less than 10.000 [06:44] around 8.000 or so [06:44] Zordrak: I'm not alcoholic but I have a strong tendency [06:44] hi slackie [06:44] slackytude: 10 to three decimal places, huh? [06:44] I was drinking more before I turned 21 than I was when I turned 21 [06:44] eh, 10.000,00 [06:44] Zordrak: porto at 4pm while noone else is drinking? [06:44] slackytude: 10,000.00 [06:44] 10,000.00 you mean? [06:44] well, not in my locale [06:45] screw your locale :) [06:45] heh [06:45] my locale matters [06:45] then, yeah, what you said [06:45] ;) [06:45] thats the plus side of working [06:45] its your kind that caused the mars probe to asplode :) [06:45] Im actually already paying it back [06:45] you're my kind, nerdboy :P [06:45] needed it for the first 3 semesters or so, then I got this job [06:46] not you nutbar.. slackytude [06:46] Zordrak: no, you imperialistics -_- [06:46] Camarade_Tux: i'm more alcoholic, sorry. [06:46] ah [06:46] Zordrak: nutbar? [06:46] heh [06:46] spook: probably, are you currently trying to drink less? [06:46] slackytude: I had a job at the University but I got fired 'cause of budget cutbacks. :P [06:46] ouch [06:46] Camarade_Tux: no, this morning i would still blow over the legal limit from friday night [06:46] yeah [06:47] lame [06:47] so instead I had to ask my parents to help me with my rent over this summer when I didn't get financial aid. :/ [06:47] I hate asking parents for money. [06:47] eh, embarassing [06:47] aye [06:47] spook: hahaha :P [06:47] godling: hey.. be glad you cat [06:47] *can [06:47] it wont last [06:47] the way it is now, my parents come to ask me -_- [06:48] im better off than my parents are right now.. if i have trouble im just fucked [06:48] Zordrak: Why not just say "You know they're going to die eventually, right?" :P [06:48] ouch [06:48] Camarade_Tux: and i spent all of saturday kernel programming, sunday and today too [06:48] I helped my mother over the winter. paid for wood and oil [06:48] this year too [06:48] josemanuel (n=josemanu@38.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:48] Zordrak: My dad gets paid from the VA every month. [06:48] Zordrak: well, yeah, Im fucked too [06:48] and my only sibling is worse off than them.. went bankrupt last year [06:48] spook: what is your mail address or actual name so I can specifically avoid your patches? :P [06:48] We should all get together and rob a bank. [06:48] ;P [06:49] hack a bank [06:49] and her husband has most of his pay taken by the CSA [06:49] CSA? [06:49] Camarade_Tux: just avoid linuxpmi for a bit. at least until i get the 64bit part compiling. [06:49] that outland revenue? [06:49] Child Support Agency [06:49] how about one of those Australian banks that uses OS/2 Warp? ;P [06:49] aka immoral bastards [06:49] oh, right [06:49] dont mess with the child support guys, their are badass [06:49] heh NatWest uses WinNT still [06:49] spook: is there any reviewer for your code? :D [06:50] *they are [06:50] haha Zordrak [06:50] Zordrak: I've seen ATM machines on my campus with a Javascript error dialog popped up. [06:50] heh [06:50] Camarade_Tux: well, it wasnt compiling beforehand, but now i understand the code much better, and there are less warnings and no errors while compiling [06:50] they look like they're either using NT or XP [06:50] spook: you're doing parallel stuff while drunk? hmmmm [06:51] you're like a drunk Jackie Chan? [06:51] heh [06:51] Camarade_Tux: as for reviewer of my code, not right now, but there are people documenting the code that existed before i started fixing things [06:51] spook: did you disable the warnings and errors? [06:51] Not to mention every self-service supermarket till in the land from Sainsbury's to Tesco uses WinX> [06:51] :P [06:51] godling: no, i didnt. [06:51] *XP [06:51] Camarade_Tux: i'm a drunken master. this is a proven phenomenon [06:51] teach me, oh mighty one [06:51] all i need is an exposed USB port for free shopping forever [06:52] Zordrak: yeppers [06:52] Tesco is in the US. [06:52] Here they call themselves "Fresh & Easy". [06:52] They have unmanned checkstands. [06:52] kjalil (n=kjalil@kerneljack.com) joined ##slackware. [06:52] followed by a 40 year jail spell in the US because i hacked a supermarket in my own country [06:52] im sure theyd find a way to have me extradited to the US for that [06:52] Zordrak: yeah, hack one in canada [06:52] bastards [06:53] Zordrak: you wouldn't have to worry about meals or clothing [06:53] Camarade_Tux: bear in mind im in the UK and that was a pro-McKinnon statement [06:53] *bare [06:53] heard about that [06:53] Zordrak: You could learn how to make a knife out of a roll of toothpaste [06:53] Zordrak: hack something in France, they'll encourage you -_- [06:54] oh come on [06:54] McKinnon hacked US machines [06:54] of course they're going to want to extradite him [06:54] kjalil (n=kjalil@kerneljack.com) left ##slackware. [06:54] you want to extradite somoene for no cause whatsover so you can kill them.. sure.. we'll just bend over so you can stick your red, white and blue penis up our ass and have the Alien in your jap's eye grab hold of him... [06:54] Isn't he a bit of a nutter anyways? [06:55] wow, that's not nationalistic at all Zordrak :P [06:55] slackytude: one cannot teach this skill, it can only be learned. [06:55] more than anything its a jab at the Home Office [06:56] Zordrak: Until recently I had a Netflix account and I watched Yes, Minister. [06:56] Yes minister was awesome [06:56] yeah pretty good [06:56] also Waiting for God, and all the mystery shows (except for Miss Marple) [06:56] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:56] i tell you, the british do good comedy [06:57] I really didn't like hte introduction to Yes, Minister. [06:57] mesa_booger (n=mesa_boo@unaffiliated/mesa-booger/x-2567591) joined ##slackware. [06:57] The opening credits, I mean, with the big-nosed people. [06:58] spook: It's hit or miss. [06:58] spook: I've seen some horrible British comedy shows. [06:58] english comedy hit its peak when the oxford footlights alumni owned BBC comedy [06:58] black books. [06:58] I've never seen Black Books. [06:58] godling: fail [06:58] It wasn't on Netflix. [06:59] I know, I like Bill Bailey. [06:59] yeah.. but it was on Demonoid [06:59] screw you and your tempting ways, British demon [06:59] Not forgetting Red Dwarf too [06:59] Yeah I saw Red Dwarf [06:59] but Netflix only had what seemed like select episodes. [07:00] >.< -- i was referring to its resplendant awesomeness [07:00] So I have no idea for instance how Holly went from being the guy to the blonde girl [07:00] Head Sex Change Operation [07:01] its like a 10second text blurb at the start of that season [07:01] it was just par of the Star Wars-esque entry to S3 [07:02] I like British mysteries, although they are almost always Agatha Christie stuff :P [07:02] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-iqkrtlzegjwaxfvq) joined ##slackware. [07:02] W00T!! http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/10/1818249/Windows-Server-Trusts-Samba4-Active-Directory [07:02] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-26-43.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:02] godling: screw that [07:03] godling: Columbo pwns the mystery/crime genre [07:03] Zordrak: oh, fuck, yes. [07:03] hi, where is the hostname loaded from, except of /etc/HOSTNAME....cause aplications behaves not according to $HOSTNAME [07:03] Zordrak: Poirot? [07:03] hrad: /etc/hosts [07:03] Columbo is OK. [07:03] Columbo is the nuts [07:04] If you're going for American detectives, Nero Wolfe is probably the best. [07:04] Columbo > Airwolf [07:04] Zordrak: I mean where is it loaded from...if I have /etc/hosts emtpy (localhost only) it is still getting some hostname from somewhere [07:04] hrad: netconfig sets up the hostname etc [07:04] * > Airwolf [07:04] The Little Mermaid > Airwolf [07:04] godling: fail [07:04] hrad: grep -Ri (your hostname) /etc [07:04] spook: and do you know where is the script / config where netconfig stores it to [07:05] Airwolf > Your Mum [07:05] Check and mate [07:05] hrad: shrug. [07:05] /etc/HOSTNAME [07:05] My mum > Your mum [07:05] THEREFORE [07:05] from experience, huh? [07:05] Airwolf > Your mum [07:05] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:05] airwolf? heh, oldschool [07:06] I used to watch Airwolf and A-Team all the time. [07:06] back when you still had hair? [07:06] I can hear the theme in my head right now. [07:06] ok,thank you [07:06] why does everyone here think I am fat and/or bald? [07:07] oh boy [07:07] because of your nic? [07:07] Airwolf > bananaman > godling's mum > superted :) [07:07] godling: cos you watched A-Team [07:07] haha whatever :P [07:08] i watched bewitched and i am not fat or bald, yet [07:08] I guess I'm not to be trusted anyways, according to Abbie Hoffman. [07:08] bewitched > Family Ties [07:08] bewitched is not as old as a-team, no? [07:08] go to hell Zordrak [07:08] Tina Yothers > * [07:08] lawl [07:08] older [07:08] I had such a mad crush. [07:08] slackytude: bewitched was in my high school days [07:08] oh? [07:09] much earlier than a-team [07:09] oh [07:09] then you must be bald [07:09] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:09] yes, it was 60s-early 70s [07:09] and yes - I had a crush on elizabeth montgomery then as well [07:09] alisonken1noc: who didn't? [07:09] my dog? [07:09] Bigfoot & The Hendersons > Tina Yothers [07:09] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:09] Harry & The Hendersons [07:10] idiot :P [07:10] the film not the TV series [07:10] suck it :) [07:10] dude [07:10] look it up on IMDB [07:10] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [07:11] here it was always Harry & the Hendersons [07:11] godling: what do you study again? [07:11] slackytude: CS [07:11] aww, verdammtes pech [07:11] although not again, 'cause nobody ever asked [07:11] slackytude: why do you say that? :P [07:11] godling: `Also Known As "Bigfoot and the Hendersons (UK)"` [07:11] who wants to study CS anyway? all you get is a job as a cab driver [07:12] Zordrak: yeah, I read that. But that doesn't matter. [07:12] Zordrak: There is no Hollywood in the UK. [07:12] So get your Union Jack out of my face and put it back in your pants. ;P [07:13] slackytude: That's what philosophy majors do. :) [07:13] err.. /me flies tha Naval Ensign [07:13] godling: eh, ask me what I study [07:13] the union jack can burn [07:14] slackytude: Was studieren Sie in der Hochschulschule? [07:14] slackytude: so what kind of a job do you have? [07:15] earlier he intimated that he was a code monkey [07:15] man I'm going to be tired. [07:15] I'm too old to be staying up so late. [07:18] jorge_ (n=jorge@ppp-94-64-165-151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:18] hi [07:18] godling: CS, heh [07:18] ananke: monkey boy [07:18] hey - that's balmer's title [07:19] developers developers developers! [07:19] i install slackware 13 x86_64 [07:19] ananke: phone/email support for customers, db maintance, maintance of CRM software, admin the network and lot of other stuff [07:19] and i m new in slackware [07:19] jorge_: hello [07:19] jorge_: new to Linux or just to Slackware? [07:19] where i can find pkg for ccsm [07:20] and ather compiz addons [07:20] for 13? nowhere. try to use the 12.2 stuff [07:20] to slackware [07:20] at slackbuilds.org [07:20] ananke: and drinking coffee [07:20] but is for 32 bit [07:20] for fucks fucking sake [07:20] that my main task, actually [07:20] i think [07:21] the missus's machine has just gone into an XP reboot-deatnh-spiral [07:21] jorge_: check slackbuilds.org and choose version 12.2 [07:21] yes [07:21] jorge_: if you supply ARCH=x86_64 before your slackbuild you can compile it for your architecture [07:21] Zordrak: not at work? [07:21] she called me about it [07:21] ah [07:21] so im gonna probably spend my evening debugcging and then probably reinstalling [07:21] bah [07:21] fuckin yay [07:22] Zordrak: Ubuntu? [07:22] Zordrak: better than XP [07:22] barely [07:22] her main use of it is iTunes and Office2003 [07:22] just not worth it right now [07:22] soffice [07:22] gtkpod [07:22] still [07:23] have it run inside a VM, heh [07:23] yeah dude [07:23] VM [07:23] it's what I do [07:23] and have only the apps be shown in linux via seamless rdp [07:23] hr hr [07:23] That's how I watched all that crap on Netflix. [07:23] its a simple box for a simple purpose and other than it dying) does the job it needs to [07:24] I dont want to work anymore [07:24] still close to 4 hours to go [07:24] You must not like your missus because you make her use Windows. [07:24] and then close to an hour drive [07:24] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.73.115) joined ##slackware. [07:24] *sniff* [07:24] poor little slackytude [07:24] slackytude: It could be worse. [07:24] godling: i dont make her do anything [07:24] godling: yeah? [07:24] slackytude: You could not have a job. [07:24] godling: her box has always been XP [07:24] godling: oh, yeah, obviously [07:24] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.93.192) joined ##slackware. [07:24] making her change would be more painful right now [07:25] damn, phone [07:25] slackytude: You could have to resort to going into business in the red light district. :P [07:26] I wouldn't make her change. If XP is what she likes, then that's cool. [07:26] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Action: Zordrak wonders if theres anything more irritating than a "Search" process that, when asked to stop searching, has to think about it for 15 seconds before it will just stop [07:27] it says to me./chemtool.SlackBuild: No such file or directory [07:27] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:28] jorge_: is that the correct capitalization? [07:29] did you type it out or tab-complete it? [07:29] godling: a+x .. [07:29] sory wrong [07:29] Zordrak: that would give a permission denied error [07:30] ii try to install compiz-bcop [07:30] O_o [07:30] oot@jorgexgen:/home/jorge/Downloads/compiz-bcop# ./compiz-bcop.SlackBuild [07:30] tar: /home/jorge/Downloads/compiz-bcop/compiz-bcop-0.7.8.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory [07:30] tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now [07:30] Channel flood from jorge_ -- kicking [07:30] You have mail in /var/mail/root [07:30] jorge_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:30] gotta love slackboy [07:30] no I don't [07:31] see, he didn't download the source [07:31] yes. you do. [07:31] jorge_ (n=jorge@ppp-94-64-165-151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:31] failure to love slackboy is punishable by ubuntu [07:31] jorge_: you need to download the source file [07:31] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) joined ##slackware. [07:31] thanks [07:32] i will try [07:32] jorge_: then put it in the same directory as the slackbuild file [07:32] jorge_: it will work then [07:32] bah [07:32] jorge_: http://sbopkg.org [07:32] Darko (n=MMF@195.212.29.163) joined ##slackware. [07:32] Nick change: Darko -> Guest398 [07:34] Action: Zordrak hates scanpst.exe [07:34] Action: Zordrak hates that there are still a few members of staff still on outlook [07:35] Guest58437 (n=MMF@195.212.29.171) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [07:36] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] godling: red light district? eh, Id probably starve. I could be a pimp, tho [07:38] gah, outlook [07:40] Action: init[1] \o/ finally got spell checking work on open office ! [07:41] Zordrak: drbd is supposed to be in the 2.6.33 kernel [07:41] slackytude: mmk [07:41] Budd_ (n=budd@adsl-75-54-117-105.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] slackytude: its already in my 2.6.29.6 kernel :) [07:42] evil patchery! [07:42] patchery is only evil if it fails [07:42] uh [07:44] What kind of moron decided that an outlook 2000 pst cannot exceed 2GB.. but the program wont stop it.. so instead of an out of space error it will just corrupt the god damn file? [07:44] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [07:45] i put the mto the same folder [07:45] into [07:45] the source and slackbuild [07:46] jorge_: read http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [07:46] jorge_, and get sbopkg... [07:46] i take sbopkg [07:47] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.191.45) joined ##slackware. [07:47] hi there! [07:47] Action: slava_dp announces sbopkg to be taken since now :) [07:47] hey, anyone else tried the 4.3.2 kde packages from vbatts, i tried them the other day from 4.3.1 but got the white screen of death, anyone else experienced this? [07:48] rogersman: ha, yes, I did [07:48] rogersman: are you on -current? [07:48] prob not competely...been maybe 2 weeks since last update...totally critical ? [07:49] rogersman: -current is one batch from 13.0 [07:49] (iirc) [07:49] rogersman: meaning youre oither on 13.0 or -currenth [07:49] s/o/e/ [07:49] s/h// [07:49] rogersman: 4.3.2 needs current 4.3.1 is for 13.0 [07:50] huh...just out of curiosity, what packages is it using that's been updated since 13? theres not THAT much there... [07:50] see the latest update it was KDE related [07:50] rogersman: check the changelog [07:50] its not much [07:50] qt redland mysql [07:50] uva (i=bno@118.168.235.242) joined ##slackware. [07:51] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-paabcxujojeupxdm) joined ##slackware. [07:51] hmm..okay cheers ill " slapt-get --upgrade " as soon as i get home ;-) [07:51] Action: Zordrak stabs rogersman 23 times [07:51] Action: slackytude slaps rogersman [07:51] slackytude: ooo a slap.. scary [07:51] ;) [07:51] slackpg update && slackpkg upgrade-aöö [07:51] you guys are too easy [07:51] err, all [07:52] Zordrak: my slap is like kryptonite, y0! [07:52] err.. you have to be superman for that to matter :) [07:52] im more bizarro anyway...just makes me stronger haha! [07:53] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-kvnyxvfgqukzlxzl) joined ##slackware. [07:54] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:55] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-235-242.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:55] jorge_ (n=jorge@ppp-94-64-165-151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:56] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [07:56] samyf (n=adeodatu@92.84.22.97) joined ##slackware. [08:00] hats off to vbatts tho...good lad [08:03] Nick change: samyf -> aigon [08:03] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:07] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:13] good morning slacksters [08:14] the proper plural noun is slackers [08:14] Action: Camarade_Tux gets his dragsters [08:14] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:14] but good morning too ;) [08:15] hi Camarade_Tux, slackytude, spook [08:15] y0 haldir, metrofox [08:16] metrofox: why metrofox? [08:16] slackie (n=x@87-196-217-192.net.novis.pt) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [08:16] hes a fox, and hes metrosexual [08:16] whats not clear? [08:16] hey metrofox [08:16] nono, I took from my brother and my father's nicks... [08:16] slackytude: hahaha, I had completely forgotten about that :D [08:16] slackytude: see, it's sex-related -_- [08:17] that's got a subliminal message... [08:17] hmmm. i thought the whole metrosexual thing was over [08:17] so, your brother is metro and your father is a fox? [08:17] no [08:17] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:18] I said, their nicks, not their names [08:18] right enuff [08:18] yep [08:18] josemanuel (n=josemanu@38.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [08:18] maybe post a pic of your Da and we can see if he is (or your Ma) [08:18] slackytude: it's the other way round: his brother believes he's a fox and his father is metrosexual [08:19] we're going to scare metrofox :P [08:19] tz... [08:19] tgz? txz? [08:19] ah, got it, timezone! :) [08:20] i thought it was something about teasing [08:20] mmm... you've to get better, that joke wasn't funny enough :P [08:20] nah, I'm eating, that's why [08:20] (actually that's because I'm coding) [08:21] yeah, are you eating timezone, tgz or txz? :P [08:21] Camarade_Tux: told you it wasnt sexual [08:21] that was awful too... [08:21] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [08:21] hmmm, I made a .tar.gz earlier today. does that count? [08:21] man, Im getting old [08:21] Camarade_Tux, no [08:21] slackytude: you still can't see it is? :o [08:21] Camarade_Tux: its just in your mind [08:22] slackboy, you got old yesterday... [08:22] Camarade_Tux: its the frustration coz your dont get along with your shroom friend [08:22] metrofox: ok, I'm going to swallow an usb thumb drive loaded with .txz packages (including one of timezone infos) then -_- [08:22] metrofox: tab fail! [08:22] hi all [08:22] slackytude: hahahaha! [08:22] slackytude, -.-" [08:22] hi grazymax [08:22] my tab always fails... [08:22] hi [08:23] metrofox: almost everybody tab-completes him to slackboy ;) [08:23] sad, but true [08:23] Camarade_Tux, mine is special [08:23] (you can speak, I finished) [08:24] we should vote to rename slackboy to boyslack or something [08:25] slacktoy? [08:25] hey, waitasec [08:25] alisonken1hom2, will not help :) [08:25] yeah.. Our tabs will always fail so... [08:25] tab fail - alisonken1noc right now :) [08:25] Im not sure I like the idea of being called "toy" [08:25] Action: slava_dp even tab failed [08:25] unless she is hot [08:26] slackytude: don't you wanna be my toy? [08:27] not as such, no. not at all [08:27] Guest398 (n=MMF@195.212.29.163) left irc: "Bye" [08:27] Action: slackytude does the smoke break [08:28] slackytude: ='( [08:28] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.191.45) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:29] hmm [08:29] mmh [08:32] gotta call a customer [08:33] sometimes, my boss expects me to work [08:33] tell him to f$ck himself [08:33] needz the monies! [08:34] there is that unfortunately [08:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.43.176) joined ##slackware. [08:37] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.230) joined ##slackware. [08:37] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.73.115) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:37] slackytude: let's build a porn website and become rich! [08:38] Camarade_Tux, you won't be the first [08:38] i don't think pics of your self is going to be that popular [08:39] gnubien (n=e@58.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:40] now if you can get slava_dp to join slackytude and Camarade_Tux, you might get it to work [08:40] haldir: see that glass in your bathroom? =) [08:40] slava_dp: it haz to work! [08:40] anyone use openbsd? any idea which vi clone is the default editor? [08:41] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [08:41] maybe they have the original one? :D [08:41] yeah and the original UNIX [08:42] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:42] FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD all use the nex/nvi versions of the ex/vi text editors, these are bug-for-bug compatible replacements for the original Fourth Berkeley Software Distribution (4BSD) ex and vi programs. [08:42] google search] [08:42] does wonders [08:43] but still doesnt answer the question [08:43] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.53.126.118) joined ##slackware. [08:43] uva (i=bno@118.168.235.242) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:44] hello metrofox [08:44] °/° [08:44] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left ##slackware ("Have to go now"). [08:45] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Raven\ (n=Dark@122.144.109.212) joined ##slackware. [08:49] how can i install scripts into my bitchx? [08:49] Raven\: dont bother [08:49] Zordrak why? [08:49] Raven\: since BitchX is no longer in Slackware [08:49] yeah i know that. im using other shell provider. [08:49] having been removed for persistent unpatched flaws [08:49] yeah i know that. im using other shell provider. [08:49] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:49] Use irssi is better. [08:50] and it doesnt have irssi? [08:50] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.250) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:50] have, but i more comfortable with bitchx [08:50] bitchx isnt in slackware [08:50] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [08:50] google for #bitchx [08:50] Slackware doesnt have bitchx! [08:50] s/for/or/ [08:50] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Client Quit [08:51] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [08:51] Raven\: if you want support in ##slackware.. use software thats in Slackware [08:51] how can i run scripts in irssi, that i dont have a folder,/scripts [08:51] make it? [08:52] the irssi is already install into the system of the provider [08:52] t0f (i=1000@4.238.249.41) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:52] make the directory [08:53] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:53] i've downlaoded a file, but the fileformat is .txt, how can i convert it that can automatic can be use in irssi? [08:53] .tcl ? [08:53] Read the install instructions for the script [08:53] you can compile bitchx from source if you want! [08:54] Raven\: yeah.. um.. rtfm [08:54] Zordrak: I already said that [08:55] mv filename tgx [08:55] aigon: WTF are you on about? [08:55] aigon: txz uses a different compression algorithm than tgz [08:56] change file extension to txz. [08:56] For..what? [08:56] aigon: You are giving terrible advice..just stop [08:58] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-83-94.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [08:58] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [08:58] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Client Quit [08:58] directory didnt exist [08:58] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [08:58] i created a directory, but cant detect it [08:58] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [08:59] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Client Quit [08:59] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [09:03] How to install putty on slack? [09:03] aigon: what the f? [09:04] hey, Zordrak how are man? [09:04] aigon: sbopkg -> search -> putty -> build -> install [09:04] lol. i though im the dumbest here. but you proved me wrong aigon lol [09:04] br00tal (n=Jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [09:05] don't forget to review the readme for putty as well - conflicts with pssh package in n/ [09:05] Raven\: I can't believe you say that shit! [09:05] National Dumbass Day today [09:06] openbsd seems to have nvi [09:06] why would you want putty on slack? [09:06] Zordrak: LOL [09:07] It was just a stupid qt! [09:07] lol [09:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:07] sahko, i think that was what i posted to you a long time ago [09:07] sahko, he mentioned that when you asked originally [09:08] but you said that wasn't the answer you wanted [09:08] I noticed that too, but hoped he missed it and was searching himself ;) [09:09] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [09:09] i guess he did [09:09] Action: haldir shakes head [09:09] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [09:09] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-paabcxujojeupxdm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:09] haldir: Do want try openbsd to most secure os in World?! [09:10] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] aigon, i tried it about 8 years ago and found it to be a pita [09:11] haldir: oh, i thought your paste said that those OSes used either nvi or ex/vi. sorry my bad [09:11] while it says they use the nvi versions of vi [09:11] I tried it 3 day ago and is aw! [09:11] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.53.126.118) left ##slackware. [09:11] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.53.126.118) joined ##slackware. [09:11] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Any tried Openbsd in here? [09:13] hello, hows it going in the hood today? [09:13] The-Croupier: hi [09:13] aigon what system are you running? [09:14] The-Croupier, heya [09:14] Slack!! [09:14] you are not answering my question :p...anybody...?! [09:14] alisonken1noc: yo [09:14] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD885C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:14] Raven\ (n=Dark@122.144.109.212) left ##slackware. [09:15] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left ##slackware. [09:16] Kowalczyk: hey [09:16] good timing, just getting ready to logout and head home [09:16] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:17] alisonken1noc: eheh [09:17] slackytude (n=icke@79.216.161.56) joined ##slackware. [09:18] alisonken1noc: any clue about ipv6?:D [09:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] laterz dudez and dudettez [09:18] laterz [09:18] Kowalczyk: we're working on it - but it's not completely up yet [09:18] I'm having problem getting ipv6 up and running :P hehe [09:19] yeah - helps to have routers that can talk ipv6 :) [09:19] anyway - I'm heading home [09:19] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:19] Action: The-Croupier lmao [09:19] High_Priest (n=MMF@195.212.29.171) joined ##slackware. [09:20] The-Croupier: :P [09:22] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:23] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:24] im so sick of getting "i got an xslx file.. what do i do with it" questions [09:25] Zordrak, by the way, i have an xslx file, what do i do with it :P [09:26] trall [09:26] i prefer troll :-) [09:26] :P [09:30] Zordrak: im sick of ppl talking about random stuff all the time.. with no actual goal [09:30] Zordrak, put a notice on the wall, if you have an xslx file, it's your fault that you do :-) [09:31] How to use this command man -k? [09:31] no its the fault of the douchebag from company X who mailed it in [09:32] aigon, you have to type man -k to use this command. [09:33] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-239.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:33] What manual page do you want? [09:34] aigon, now type the name of the manpage that you want [09:35] Ok , thanks! [09:35] eh? 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[10:05] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:06] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-kvnyxvfgqukzlxzl) left ##slackware. [10:07] good day [10:08] how to add an user to sudoers list, if sudo group does not exists [10:09] adding it to 'root' group? [10:09] wheel [10:09] * is the group you are after [10:10] and then "visudo" as root and uncomment the appropriate line [10:10] and then :wq to save and exit ;) [10:10] and then log in as the user [10:11] and then use sudo !! yippee!! [10:11] confrey (n=dario@151.59.24.83) joined ##slackware. [10:11] aw, i hate vi [10:11] myeggo, vimtutor ;-) [10:11] ok, i remembered now it is :i [10:11] hi everybody [10:12] myeggo, and you're going to love it in a few hours. [10:12] i always used jed [10:12] anybody playing chess and using chess' softwares? [10:12] nah, just scroll down to the commented lin and push "x" :) [10:12] myeggo, the other option being "EDITOR=jed visudo" [10:12] confrey: i used the freechess clients much time [10:12] thanks for the tip slackboy [10:12] myeggo, ok, weel [10:12] well [10:13] myeggo, I use it too [10:13] slackboy: myeggo: you're welcome [10:13] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:14] :) [10:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-436182.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:14] myeggo, do know something about scid, chess databases, and how to import Chess Informant games? [10:14] |ib (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] i have read the fcis protocol long time ago, it is similar an IRC protocol [10:15] i did not tried the file formats though [10:15] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@173-86-3-34.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:18] myeggo, oh, I didn't mean about fics, I'd like to use scid with their databases, and for importing other databases [10:19] then no, did not went so far [10:19] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:21] hax0r1337 (n=fenston@c-76-103-146-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:22] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [10:25] makerc (n=makerc@189-18-57-81.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:26] uva_ (n=bno@114-45-233-82.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.93.192) left irc: "Leaving." [10:29] dolphin is the best thing ever, every operative systems should have one [10:30] snL20 (n=irssi@90.149.160.214) left irc: "leaving" [10:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] myeggo, dolphin + okular is what rocks. [10:31] rogersman: qt was updated to 4.5 in -current [10:31] oh, i dont know that okular, there i go [10:31] jorge_ (n=jorge@ppp-94-64-143-149.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:33] @vbatts - okay, cheers mate...great job btw! [10:34] your welcome [10:34] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:35] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FD855.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:36] evo- (n=evo@91.47.216.85) joined ##slackware. [10:36] uva (i=bno@220-136-224-84.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:39] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [10:43] uva (i=bno@114-45-231-186.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] another question that i dont find, slackware comes with a standard package manager like apt-get or aptitude? [10:43] or i should install it manually [10:43] I consider konqueror much better [10:44] why do you prefer dolphin ? [10:44] F3 in dolphin is just great [10:44] myeggo: it comes with pkgtool and additionally slackpkg [10:47] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:48] i'm going to install compiz-bcop i take it from slackbuilds and i don't know who i install it [10:48] hi [10:49] i take and source and slackbuild packages [10:50] and now?? [10:51] uva_ (n=bno@114-45-233-82.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:52] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [10:52] jorge_: did you read the howto? [10:52] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [10:53] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [10:54] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:54] yes first i write chmod +x compiz-bcop.SlackBuild [10:54] and next /compiz-bcop.SlackBuild [10:55] ./ not / [10:55] i say's to me [10:55] Cannot open: No such file or directory [10:55] ar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now [10:56] tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now [10:56] yes [10:56] i write it like you say to me [10:57] and it was the same [10:57] Did the chmod command return an error? [10:57] no [10:57] Is the compiz-bcop source tarball in the build directory? [10:57] tty3 (n=tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) joined ##slackware. [10:57] hello all [10:57] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:58] How i update the slackware system? Can help me, please? [10:58] man slackpkg [10:58] i dont know [10:58] jorge_: what do you mean you don't know? [10:58] jorge_: is this your first attempt at building with a slackbuild? [10:58] yes [10:58] upgradepkg [10:59] It's not hard to see if the source tarball is in that directory. [10:59] it's my first time [10:59] A simple 'ls' will let you know. [11:00] tty3: http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/168-slackware/1427-slackware-package-management [11:00] Thanks, I'm updating now [11:00] its in Downloads/ [11:00] i make a file compiz [11:01] and i extract them to thiw file [11:01] this [11:02] pkg i mean [11:02] The compiz-bcop source tarball needs to be in the same directory as compiz-bcop.SlackBuild [11:02] IF it's not, move it there. [11:02] aa [11:02] ok [11:02] and thn [11:02] then [11:02] thanks, Dominian , haldir , sahko [11:03] isnt compiz in Slackware btw? i thought it was in x/ [11:04] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.19) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:05] Action: tty3 go to bed, any time [11:05] good bye [11:06] if any of u lot get compiz working with kde4 window decorations, let us know, havent checked latest versions for a while :-p [11:06] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-iqkrtlzegjwaxfvq) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [11:06] martinus (n=martinus@117.103.52.217) joined ##slackware. [11:06] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-174-125.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] cya [11:07] why would you use compiz in kde4? [11:07] not enough eye candy [11:08] it cant do the cube thing [11:08] it's more biautifull and without compiz it;s remember my windows [11:08] kde4.2 in default slack does the cube thing if your video chip can do it. both my laptops do the cube thing [11:08] it's not the same. linux is the best [11:08] @thrice ... coz it's cool :-) [11:08] and one of them is 6+ years old [11:09] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:09] alisonken1hom2: does that need compiz? [11:09] the point is that kde4 built all that stuff in, so replacing kwin would something (crappy) like compiz is kinda silly [11:09] sahko - stock slack12.0 [11:09] sorry - stock slack13.0 [11:09] with something * [11:09] |ib (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] High_Priest (n=MMF@195.212.29.171) left irc: "Bye" [11:10] kwin IS cool, but how can u call compiz crappy? [11:10] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-otvassftqyjpitin) joined ##slackware. [11:10] excusme, any body here have experience grabbing (capturing) desktop using ffmpeg ??? [11:10] is xrdp to connect to linux X from windows machine, or even connect from linux to windows machine [11:10] lagann_ (i=hex@24.62.142.190) joined ##slackware. [11:10] i use this command ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1366x768 -r 23.976 -i :0.0 /tmp/out.mpg, but i got poor result :( [11:11] for use KPackage, it says that i need SMART tool, i try to find it via spackpkg search but does not appears, should i download it manually? [11:11] in smart webpage i saw an iso of 332mb for slackware, that i am not sure if that is what i need [11:11] but i could experiment [11:11] myeggo: that doesnt work in Slackware [11:11] use pkgtools & slackpkg [11:12] myeggo, : and use slackbuild script :) [11:12] its good for me :D [11:13] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.2) joined ##slackware. [11:13] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-otvassftqyjpitin) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [11:14] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] slackbuild? [11:15] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:15] myeggo, : yups [11:15] slackbuild.org :) [11:15] then search your package [11:16] lagann_ (i=hex@24.62.142.190) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:16] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:17] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] uva (i=bno@114-45-231-186.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:19] is slackbuild > slackpkg? [11:20] slackbuild is just a script for creating binary file for slackware [11:20] slackbuild -> source compile, slackpkg -> update slackware from current slackware repository [11:21] slackpkg is Automated tool for managing Slackware Linux packages [11:21] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521a3b.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:21] ah [11:21] (not necessarily the -current branch of slackware) [11:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-436182.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:22] besides this, i am trying to install the guest additions of virtualbox to slackware, it is already installed, but i still cant modify the resolution [11:22] shall i need something special? [11:22] evo- (n=evo@91.47.216.85) left irc: Connection timed out [11:22] after 2 hours all forums i read they only says install the guest additions [11:23] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FD855.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] _guitarm1n_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:25] is excessive eye rolling bad for one's health? [11:25] lib (i=hex@24.62.142.190) joined ##slackware. [11:26] slackytude (n=icke@79.216.161.56) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:27] i have Arch:x86_64 if i install first from other arch 32 bit [11:27] You know we don't support arch..right? [11:28] can i modify after install to x86_64 [11:28] We don't support arch [11:28] Ask them [11:28] myeggo (n=ElSofist@unaffiliated/gogomyeggo) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:28] samyf (n=adeodatu@92.84.2.211) joined ##slackware. [11:29] architecture [11:29] sorry [11:29] Why don't you just install 64-bit from the get go? [11:30] if i don't found the pkg [11:30] What package? [11:30] and i don't know how i can use slackbuild [11:30] either the general level of english has plummeted or someones being stirring crack in my coffee again... [11:30] jorge_, slackbuilds.org fully supports both 32-bit and 64-bit [11:31] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:31] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] compiz don't supports for slackware 13 [11:32] jorge_, : slackbuild is very simple, u just need type in the shell like this ./pkg.SlackBuild with pkg source code in your current directory. Then voila, you can get binary packages for your slackware :) [11:32] even easier - use sbopkg [11:33] note: if u provide all dependencies needed by your packages too of course :) [11:33] or u can use slapt-get :) [11:33] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [11:33] its easy to use too like apt-get in debian world :) [11:33] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Nick change: samyf -> aigon [11:34] ok i download source and slackbuild pkg [11:34] i extract them to a folder [11:34] [Nobody] (n=Nope@user-54464f96.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:34] martinus USED THE S-G WORD!!! [11:35] i was unaware that s-g did dependency checking. how could it do that? i wasn't aware slack packages contained that information [11:35] is anyone from greece [11:35] ?? [11:35] they don't [11:36] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [11:37] haldir - the package info file has to be modified to work with dependencies for slapt-get - which is unsupported [11:37] @jorge ... oxi re! [11:38] jorge_, : if u confuse how to use slackbuild script, u can read at here -> http://www.slackwiki.org/SlackBuild_Scripts [11:39] thanks [11:39] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:42] oahong (n=user@218.83.159.15) joined ##slackware. [11:42] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Success [11:42] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:42] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [11:42] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.118.125) joined ##slackware. [11:46] IrquiM (n=irquim@80.202.41.176) joined ##slackware. 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[11:59] ***looks at coffee [11:59] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [11:59] ok [11:59] @spook lol [12:00] calopteryx: inotify seems to be the latest trend [12:01] can I go secure for inotify? [12:01] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [12:01] I reinstall all system for this [12:01] calopteryx: i have no clue what that means in english [12:02] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.149) joined ##slackware. [12:02] calopteryx: what language do you speak ? [12:02] spanish [12:02] calopteryx: ok pm ? [12:02] ) [12:03] both spanish) good) [12:03] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:03] O_O [12:03] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-174-125.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] I live just in the border whit france [12:04] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] 3 languages [12:04] hard_ [12:04] ) [12:04] calopteryx: catalunia or barcelona ? [12:04] baske [12:04] ¿no hay un sitio para los slackers de españa? ¡eso es la ostia! [12:04] calopteryx: oh ok [12:05] aigon (n=adeodatu@92.84.2.211) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:05] @calopteryx... aoor! [12:05] adeodatus (n=rm@92.85.18.98) joined ##slackware. [12:05] thanks I only read [12:05] donosti is sooo gorgeous [12:06] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [12:08] lib (i=hex@24.62.142.190) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [12:09] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-142-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:11] zsakr (n=marcty@77.42.225.248) joined ##slackware. [12:11] is there a slackware dev channel? [12:12] theres rumours [12:12] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [12:12] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.149) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [12:12] seriously pls? [12:13] zsakr: not really. [12:14] ) [12:14] Nick change: Guest64449 -> PancakeStaffer [12:14] where can I ask a question about a makefile thing? [12:15] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.118.125) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Well you can always ask here. [12:15] There's no guarantee anyone can answer, but you can always ask. [12:15] for a second I was going to ask if init[1] changed his nic again (and again and again ...) [12:17] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] i asked in #slackbuild [12:18] i replied [12:19] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:20] zsakr (n=marcty@77.42.225.248) left ##slackware. [12:21] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. 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[12:52] Action: deco is listening to girl pop [12:52] girly* [12:53] Nick change: _guitarm1n_ -> _guitarman_ [12:54] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [12:54] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [12:56] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:57] ok, i stepped out of fvwm to run afterstep for first time in a while [12:57] so you're slowly making your way through the mid 90s and now late 90s? [12:58] mancha, i don't like kde 4 in the least [12:58] uva (i=bno@118-160-168-188.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:58] nyRednek, amen brother [12:58] and xfce looks like a cross between gnome and kde [12:58] so i'm not a fan of that either [12:59] calopteryx (n=calopter@82.213.181.30.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:59] thse last three you mentioned were DEs (versus WMs you were talking about before) [12:59] nyRednek: go for xfce ! [12:59] if all you want is something to do your windowing then fvwm is certainly a solid choice [13:00] mancha, but, in the practical sense, they are used as window managers were used at one time [13:00] grazymax (n=grazymax@host3-153-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [13:00] http://omploader.org/vMmo1Zw [13:00] has the look and feel of twm but it patched twm's massive memory leaks and added in virtual desktops [13:00] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] mancha, i've been using fvwm on and off for 12 years [13:01] mancha, wait, it's '09? 15 years [13:01] not sure what you mean by "used as" but never mind. i never liked afterstep tbh [13:01] o_O [13:01] grazymax (n=grazymax@host232-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:01] deco: is that the actual place where you live? [13:02] init[1]: nah :) [13:02] the next interface(afterstep/windowmaker) is a nice alternative to "looks like mac" or "looks like windoze" [13:02] i mean the wallpaper [13:02] init[1]: nope [13:02] deco: i can understand *nah* :) [13:03] good :) [13:03] fvwm is of course "looks like motif" [13:03] it is different if you're running it in a sleek black cube! [13:03] uva (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] init[1]: that's france [13:04] and afterstep, "looks like NeXt" [13:04] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.204.146) joined ##slackware. [13:04] looking back to kde 1, it used to be "looks like cde" [13:04] nyRednek: it still has that theme :P [13:04] deco: ha yes! [13:05] deco, that it does, but it really doesn't function like cde anymore [13:05] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [13:05] nyRednek: yup [13:07] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] my c and n keys are fading :( [13:08] what game uses 'c' and 'n' a lot? [13:08] esoteric: i don't play games.... [13:09] deco: uhu [13:09] i have no idea wh they are fading.... [13:09] why* [13:09] * uhuh [13:09] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:09] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-168-188.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:10] i was thinking the same thing... couldn't figure out why 'c' and 'n' would be fading unless it was there was a game that required you to hit them a lot. [13:10] yeah [13:10] esoteric: most games? [13:10] slacking_bob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-229-126.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Hello People. [13:11] the n is suffering the most, it doesn't look like an N anymore ;( [13:11] BP{k}: seems like FPS's would have 'w', 'a', 's', and 's' fading first [13:11] esoteric: well in FPS, 'c' is often used as the default for crouch. [13:11] who here has read the slackware guide all the way thru? [13:11] which guide? [13:11] book ? [13:11] BP{k}: ah. deco must be a crouching camper [13:12] lol [13:12] esoteric: :) [13:12] deco: who needs letters on keys anyway? ;) [13:12] BP{k}: true ;-) [13:12] slackbook [13:12] slacking_bob: some of us have. Did you have a question regarding it? [13:13] slacking_bob: most of it [13:13] deco: http://michielvwessem.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/daskeyboard.jpg [13:13] BP{k}: lol :P [13:14] BP{k}: it would be funny just to see the look on someone's face when they sat down to use your computer. [13:14] esoteric: they look often *very* confused. [13:14] lol [13:15] no, no questions. Just curious how much of it to read. It has some really good info. Helped me learn new stuff. But I was curious how many slack users really read it all the way thru. [13:15] slacking_bob: I have. [13:15] slacking_bob: i did [13:15] Alan_Hicks: :P [13:15] Alan_Hicks: well duh. ;) [13:15] hehe [13:15] cool. :) reading it thru.... of course I skipped wifi parts and such that don't apply. [13:15] slacking_bob, I did [13:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [13:15] ciao deco [13:16] metrofox: ciao :) [13:16] I notice a few spelling mistakes. I don't think it's worth creating a bug.... [13:16] esoteric: I had once some engineers come look at my computer. And desperately wanted access. Somehow "login: " and an all black keyboard .. kinda scared them. :) [13:16] *noticed. [13:16] By default, does Slackware 13 install Java development environment (JDK)? [13:16] slacking_bob: shhhhhhhhh [13:16] kleanchap, no [13:16] slacking_bob: Any spelling mistakes are 100% intentional. [13:16] kleanchap: no, but it is in extra/ for you to install. [13:16] BP{k}: that's awesome [13:16] They are there just to see if you notice them. [13:17] metrofox: thnx [13:17] Alan_Hicks: that's solves that problem. [13:17] :) [13:17] BP{k}: I will check the extra repository. Thnx. [13:17] kleanchap, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/extra/jdk-6/ [13:17] Alan_Hicks: to check if people really read them.... [13:17] lol. [13:17] ah, I was linking you that page ;) [13:17] To check to see how many people are spelling nazis. [13:18] mh? [13:18] no, doesn't bother me. but it reflects on the doc. So if someone wants to be notified, it's nice of readers to help out. [13:18] BP{k}: is this your blog ?http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com [13:19] init[1]: well, tell you what, do a whois on me, and compare. :P [13:19] slacking_bob: You can notify if you want, but since the book is currently going through a complete rewrite (I'm working on Chapter 13 as we speak), the old book won't be fixed. [13:19] Howdy BP{k} [13:19] BP{k}: k;) [13:19] fire|bird: howdy, how do? [13:19] metrofox: Does a complete install selection, install the JDK environment? [13:19] BP{k}: excellent, thanks. you? [13:19] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [13:19] kleanchap, no [13:20] darn [13:20] :-) [13:20] fire|bird: not too bad :) about to take furrface out for a walk :) then sit down and do some work :) [13:20] Alan_Hicks: updated books are good. :) good luck with chapter 13. [13:20] :) [13:20] kleanchap, just download it from extra/ and install it with installpkg ;) [13:20] I guess I will have to install it the old fashioned way. [13:20] there's no better way [13:20] greetings [13:20] hi The-Croupier [13:20] kleanchap: old fashioned, you mean punchcards? or moving inodes with magnets? [13:21] metrofox: or, slackpkg install jdk ;) [13:21] hiya metrofox [13:21] fire|bird, ;) [13:21] It is amazing, beer and sports can bring down the productivity 100% while the fun of the game to 1000%. [13:21] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving." [13:22] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] up by 1000% [13:22] my typo mistake [13:22] kleanchap, yes... I'm gonna buy the bread... [13:22] see ya later ;) [13:22] lol [13:22] BP{k}:my all senses say that it is you! but just curious why you didn't use *odf* for the purpose ! [13:23] Action: init[1] ;) [13:23] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [13:23] esoteric: oh i think i know why, hitting n too many times to skip songs [13:23] BP{k}: I believe he means clay tablets. [13:24] init[1]: odf for *what*? [13:24] deco: music snob [13:24] esoteric: pixie lover [13:24] Alan_Hicks: hehe [13:25] sEcToR_ (n=thijywd@200.243.30.5) joined ##slackware. [13:27] hi * [13:27] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [13:27] deco: pixies liker... get it right. ;) [13:28] pffft [13:28] Action: esoteric rolls eyes [13:28] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.72.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:30] Action: esoteric making a Five Guys run [13:30] mmm [13:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:34] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.2) left irc: No route to host [13:36] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:37] ok ! now don't start a flame war and nor this is an Off Topic ! [13:37] Why is Slackware as per not called Slackware GNU/Linux [13:38] Action: metrofox is back [13:38] lol [13:38] init[1]: ..... [13:38] deco: ! now what! [13:38] init[1]: because pat doesn't care ? [13:38] I don't know this, --> http://pastebin.com/m380f7711 [13:38] init[1]: :) [13:38] Pat doesn't care ? o_O [13:38] nope [13:39] init[1]: if you didn't know, pat is your dictator [13:39] our* [13:39] :) [13:39] yea i know ! but just curious [13:40] as Debian -> Debian GNU/Linux [13:40] init[1]: they care , pat doesn't .... nuff said [13:40] aah,but pat does care about the GPL thingY [13:40] isn't it? [13:40] about not needing an xorg config...if you want particular keyboard layouts, etc, you do [13:40] init[1], all linux are GNU/Linux [13:41] most part of them... [13:41] metrofox: linux as such we refer to kernel when it comes to slackware its GNU/Linux [13:41] as OS completes with GNU [13:41] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [13:42] init[1], yes I know [13:42] Action: init[1] afaik :) [13:42] as Linux -> GNU/Linux [13:42] nooper_, that was not funny [13:42] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:42] os calling slackware Slackware GNU/Linux make sense , but as deco said pat doesn't care :( [13:42] wtf [13:42] my tab always FAILS!!!!!! [13:43] and my finger too! [13:43] lol [13:43] nooper_? [13:43] pooper ? [13:43] metrofox: do what I do, blame the keyboard. ;) [13:43] s/os/so/ [13:43] nooper_, he was not invited [13:43] -.- [13:43] fire|bird: yo! [13:43] metrofox, are you talking to me, instead? [13:43] y0 init[1], how goes? [13:43] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [13:43] nyRednek, uh? [13:43] nyRednek: I believe he is. :) [13:44] or to himself [13:44] himself [13:44] fire|bird: aa just curious over a question :) [13:44] myself I mea [13:44] *mean [13:44] hahaha [13:44] fire|bird, that makes sense... :) [13:44] my brain looks like windows right now... Please gimme time... [13:44] OHGOD [13:44] well, found issues with astep, going back to fvwm [13:45] Action: metrofox is back better(worse) than first [13:45] you mean your brain is red, blue, yellow, and green? [13:45] Action: init[1] walks away . .. [13:45] brb [13:45] fire|bird: may be BSOD [13:45] fire|bird, that's my blood [13:45] hahaha [13:45] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] init[1]: lol, that could be. [13:45] :) [13:46] well... Rewriting my phrase again: no, that was not funny! [13:46] I finally did!!!! [13:46] I thought it was. :) [13:47] fire|bird, I was talking about uhmm the situation at half past hour ago... [13:48] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] (if you don't understand what I say, just say "yes" that's the best way to face my problems, LOL) [13:48] haha [13:48] bbiab [13:49] fire|bird, bbiab? [13:49] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-173.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] metrofox: be back in a bit [13:49] be back in a bit? [13:49] ah well... [13:50] all we're waiting you here fire|bird [13:50] we (won't)miss you! ;( [13:51] Action: init[1] twitter is down ! [13:51] metrofox: luara non c'e, laura no esta lol :P [13:51] deco, stop NEK! [13:52] he kills you! stay away from him! [13:52] :P [13:52] However, yes... Laura non c'è [13:52] metrofox: :P [13:52] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-172-195.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:52] metrofox: fire|bird non c'e [13:52] è andato via... e non è più cosa mia :P [13:52] evo_ (n=evo@p5B2FDACB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] metrofox: hahah you know it! :P [13:52] metrofox: secret fan :P [13:53] Action: slackie hi there \o [13:53] (he's gone... he's not stuff of mine anymore) [13:53] heh [13:53] deco, I must know that... I heard it for years and years [13:53] metrofox: yeah very popular [13:54] yeah, very dangerous [13:56] giuppy (n=giuppy@87.15.38.237) joined ##slackware. [13:58] however... any news? [13:58] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-239.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:58] metrofox: not really.... [13:59] metrofox: have you tried freebsd yet ? [13:59] mmm... here nobody is fighting right now, street is quiet... [13:59] deco, no.. not yet... [13:59] oh hehe [14:00] I need time, I haven't school requests too much of it and so... [14:00] oh [14:00] I gotta read the handbook first and not ever I fell reading... [14:00] yeah [14:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:01] so I'm waiting for the right moment, I've to read a C book too, so, situation is more complex as I imagined [14:01] rogersman1 (n=root@78.144.106.124) joined ##slackware. [14:01] oh yeah , I'm just learning php atm :P [14:01] deco, php will be my other goal(when finished C and freebsd) [14:01] cool [14:02] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) joined ##slackware. [14:02] I really hope to learn php, it's very useful... [14:02] metrofox: make you sure you learn sql too [14:02] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-173.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:03] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.118.125) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] deco, yeah SQL is good to learn too for one reasons: -It's good to implement with C [14:03] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-91-161.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [14:05] nessundorma, italian? [14:05] Nick change: nooper_ -> nooper [14:05] jinjii (n=fabio@host25-127-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:05] thanks for the wake up call metrofox [14:05] nooper, you're welcome [14:05] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FD855.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:06] nooper, I'm sorry, just I always push "tab" at the beginning of a phrase :( [14:06] np :) [14:06] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [14:08] martinus (n=martinus@117.103.52.217) left irc: "Leaving" [14:08] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30D94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] help! Is anyone else here getting their sound totally shagged by running ktorrent? [14:09] metrofox: SQL is more than just something to use from C, its the foundational language for accessing and manipulating relational databases ... its value is more intrisincally related to the value of RDBMS, not C [14:09] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] rogersman1: no [14:09] rogersman, no [14:09] awesome [14:10] rk4n3, yes I just wrote another of good things why "I should learn SQL" [14:10] metrofox: indeed :) [14:10] >.> [14:10] okay, off stracing we go... laterz [14:10] collaboration with C is a reasonable reason to reason on =) [14:11] metrofox, yes [14:11] well, I'm gonna have dinner now... See ya later(30 min max) [14:11] nessundorma, allora non sparire :D [14:11] ok [14:11] (so, don't disappear) [14:11] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] hehe [14:12] i gotta get used to this whole backlog thing in epic5 [14:12] Necos: you use epic? :P why? [14:12] rogersman1 (n=root@78.144.106.124) left ##slackware. [14:12] jinjii (n=fabio@host25-127-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [14:12] because i can bish ^.~ [14:13] lol [14:14] that sure was a descriptive answer. [14:14] the script i use is pretty simple too... just adds some color with a few stats [14:14] good evening :) [14:14] y0 Camarade_Tux [14:14] yo Camarade_Tux [14:15] yoyo fire|bird, yoyo Necos :) [14:15] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders what he's gonna it [14:15] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [14:16] what your gonna it? [14:16] Camarade_Tux: yes [14:17] Action: Camarade_Tux wants selinux http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/32759.html [14:17] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521117.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [14:17] s/it/eat/ >< [14:17] lol, what a typo [14:17] see, I'm so starving I can't type/think properly [14:18] fire|bird: well, not a typo, just that my mind is somewhere else and my hand aching [14:18] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:19] your mind is elsewhere and your hand hurts....I don't want to know. [14:19] fire|bird: hahaha! :P [14:19] lol [14:21] lus (i=lus@sdf-eu.org) joined ##slackware. [14:21] quit [14:21] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] clear [14:21] lus (i=lus@sdf-eu.org) left irc: Client Quit [14:21] fail [14:22] tty3 (n=tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) left irc: "leaving" [14:22] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:23] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:23] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:24] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:24] :) [14:24] "sdf-eu public access unix system .. est. 1987" [14:24] and i'm back in fvwm [14:25] Camarade_Tux: je suis desole pour le chat [14:26] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Operation timed out [14:27] wb nyRednek [14:27] deco: what? what happpened to the cat? you ate it? :O [14:27] Camarade_Tux: :( [14:27] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [14:27] deco: you had sex with it? :o [14:27] nah [14:27] Camarade_Tux: well i saw that you were hungry... [14:28] grrrrr....xclock not popping up, brb [14:28] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] Camarade_Tux: You're eating cats to satisfy your starvation? :P [14:28] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [14:29] deco: ah, good :) [14:29] anyone here been able to install vmware workstation on slackware 13? [14:29] dhw: you tried and had problems? [14:29] Camarade_Tux: :) [14:29] correct [14:29] I have a copy of it with a .run [14:29] just would run that [14:29] it would install [14:30] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:30] but when I try to run vmware vvmom vmnet vmblock vmci could not be found [14:31] dhw: you mean the command is not found? doesn't vmware install in another path? [14:31] sEcToR_ (n=thijywd@200.243.30.5) left irc: "CyberScript - President Bush uses CyberScript. Shouldn't you? (www.cyberscript.org)" [14:31] fire|bird: actually I'm eating saucisson [14:31] Camarade_Tux: and your typings getting better, it's working. :P [14:32] typing is* [14:32] http://pastebin.com/m49fe39d2 [14:32] http://media.photobucket.com/image/saucisson/regalauvergnat/panieracceuil009.jpg / http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Saucisson_04.JPG / http://organicham.org/images/Saucisson_02.JPG [14:33] poor cat [14:33] fire|bird: it seems yours not, I'll mail you some saucisson [14:33] I would just use virtualbox but I need directx support [14:33] vmware is the only option I have [14:33] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@198.82.16.162) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Camarade_Tux: haha [14:33] dhw: try 'modprobe --list | grep vmmon' and 'lsmod | grep vmmon', what do they return? [14:34] fire|bird: I bet you've never eaten any [14:34] Camarade_Tux: nope, can't say that I have. [14:34] like brioche, poor you [14:36] nothing returns [14:36] no (real) bread, no good beer, no actual cakes, nothing, poor americans (I mean, without paying them 20$) [14:37] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:37] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201008195084.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:37] when I run vmware they want to compile those things [14:37] but it fails to compile them [14:37] jescis (n=Administ@adsl-93-66-190.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:37] dhw: do you have the kernel-headers package installer? [14:37] s/installer/installed/ [14:37] and now i'm back up [14:38] wb nyRednek [14:38] fire|bird, thanks [14:38] fire|bird, i hadn't really set up fvwm since moving back to slack [14:38] do you just mean the kernel source? or something releated to vmware? [14:38] dhw: no, kernel-headers [14:38] (there's a package named like that, right?) [14:38] fire|bird, had been lazy and committed a typo in the config [14:39] http://pastebin.com/m10d8e045 [14:39] let me check [14:39] nyRednek: I just upgraded fvwm to the latest unstable, haven't tried it yet, but I was looking at fvwm screenshots, and I like this one, aside from window borders: http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/screenshot.jpg [14:39] nyRednek: haha, yeah, typo's can sure through things off, I've done that with flux before. [14:39] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:39] s/through/throw/ [14:39] /var/log/packages/kernel-headers-2.6.29.6_smp-x86-2 [14:39] /var/log/scripts/kernel-headers-2.6.29.6_smp-x86-2 [14:39] good grief, Camarade_Tux get that food sent quick. :P [14:39] it does not look like I have them for my current kernel [14:40] fire|bird, mine is the default that came with slack [14:40] nyRednek: cool. I'm going to log into it in a bit and mess around. I'm just listening to Dead By Sunrise - End of the World [14:40] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.201.85) joined ##slackware. [14:40] fire|bird, let me get juk going and i'll send you a screenshot of mine [14:41] ok [14:41] fire|bird, pretty simple, but beautiful [14:41] Camarade_Tux: where can I get them from? [14:41] dhw: doesn't vmware ask for a specific kernel version? [14:41] rather, how did you get your current kernel? [14:41] you recompiled it? [14:41] grabed it from from kernel.org [14:41] followed a guide [14:42] argh, I still need to eat more, it's not the kernel headers you need, it's the kernel *SOURCES* [14:42] http://pdg86.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/howto-compile-2-6-31-kernel-in-slackware-13-0/ [14:42] oh okay [14:42] then yes, I have those [14:42] Action: Dominian shakes his head [14:42] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [14:42] slackwiki.org has a tutorial on building a kernel hehe [14:42] Hey Dominian, how are you? [14:42] dhw: can you pastebin the log of the vmware install (or at least the part where it says the module compilation failed) [14:43] busy.. you? [14:43] :) [14:43] I did [14:43] http://pastebin.com/m10d8e045 [14:43] Dominian: lol, doing great, thanks. I'm just listening to Dead by Sunrise. [14:43] vmware requires pam which is not in slackware [14:43] fire|bird: sorry, no food for you, I'm eating it [14:43] dang [14:43] dhw: he, I actually have that page open in my browser >< [14:43] oh [14:43] Dominian: ran without pam for me iirc [14:44] Camarade_Tux: vmware 2.0 won't [14:44] I have seen people use it befor ein slackware [14:44] It'll "run" but you need pam to be able to auth to the web interface to create VMs etc [14:44] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:44] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:44] at this stage, the problem is that vmware doesn't support that kernel, it (vmware) needs an update or an older kernel [14:45] Dominian: I take it depends on the version and how you use it, there are non-web interfaces [14:45] Action: Camarade_Tux had a gtk one [14:45] Action: Dominian shrugs [14:45] I'm just telling you what I've had to do with vmware 2.0 in Slackware [14:46] I'm trying to understand how I managed to have it running >< [14:46] this is a log for it [14:46] http://pastebin.com/m15fc15e8 [14:46] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:46] but that does not have much info at all [14:46] juk no wanna work, xmms is quicker [14:46] adeodatus (n=rm@92.84.24.141) joined ##slackware. [14:46] dhw: Do you need this for "hosting" or just testing VM environments for yourself? [14:47] testing [14:47] I do a lot of work with windows video games [14:47] You could always use VirtualBox [14:47] I tried using virtual box [14:47] ah [14:47] but I had an issue with it not supporting directx [14:47] enabled the 3d and everything? [14:47] ahhh [14:47] yeah [14:47] causing the game to never load all the way [14:47] or wine? maybe [14:48] I have normally just used vmware [14:48] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:48] vmware is a bit slow for gaming, no? [14:48] nah, they use a anti-cheat ring0 rootkit type thing [14:49] windows in its entirety is a rootkit [14:50] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/vmware-and-slackware-11-494886/?highlight=install+vmware [14:50] I was looking at that [14:50] have not tried that yet [14:52] `marc_ (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [14:52] fire|bird, http://imagebin.org/67524 [14:52] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:52] Nick change: `marc_ -> _marc` [14:52] dhw: that's for an older version of vmware as well iirc [14:52] okay [14:53] dhw: the directories mentioned in that LQ article existin Slackware 13 [14:53] iirc they've existed since 12.0 [14:53] i've used just that combination; it works (installs, runs, etc) but it is a bit slow [14:53] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-51-254.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [14:53] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Camarade_Tux: Quand je reve c'est des chats, et je ne sais pas pourquoi :( [14:55] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-50-123-97.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/32759.html says selinux prevents chrome-sandbox from reading /etc/shadow [14:56] ls -oh /etc/shadow [14:56] -rw-r----- 1 root 650 2009-09-20 00:23 /etc/shadow [14:56] ... [14:57] deco: that's reallllllllly weird :P [14:57] I quote! [14:58] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [14:58] stig (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Camarade_Tux: :P [14:58] rever? what verb is that? [14:58] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Necos: dream [14:59] reve* [14:59] a related english word is: reverie [14:59] hmmm, good beer :) [15:00] oh [15:00] je reve <----- means that the verb is rever :P [15:01] yup [15:01] well, rêver actually ;p [15:01] sush :P [15:01] shush [15:01] lol [15:01] .... [15:01] .. [15:01] . [15:01] je reve d'une femme [15:02] ewwwww [15:02] if the girl aint real, i dont want her [15:02] pffft [15:02] nothing wrong with plastic [15:03] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] it chaffs :P [15:03] ..... [15:03] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:04] je reve de plastique [15:05] http://altporn.net/news/wp-content/uploads/rf_panties011.jpg ^^ [15:05] hope there's no referer thingy [15:05] which could also be something a materialistic french girl would say [15:05] Camarade_Tux: lol [15:05] Camarade_Tux: that you ? [15:05] Camarade_Tux: oh btw i booked it for friday [15:06] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] deco: it's me taking the pic -_- [15:06] yeah that girl is really sex drug and rock n' roll(and alcohol too) [15:07] however I see a little mm... [15:07] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:07] ..... [15:07] projection around panties [15:07] is she a man? [15:07] O.O [15:07] run, its a trap [15:07] HAHAHA! [15:08] metrofox: ok, let's say you haven't seen this :) [15:08] WTF [15:08] let's say... [15:08] it's all fun and games until she tell you in a deep baritone voice....um i'll not go there [15:08] heh [15:08] what was seen cant be unseen [15:08] hahahah [15:08] anything will disappear now... :P [15:08] (me comprised) [15:08] not really but I'll have to talk to metrofox about this in a couple years ;-) [15:09] lol [15:09] stig_ (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] Camarade_Tux, thank you, I really need of a good talk [15:09] I really don't know how human begin works... [15:10] and another acolyte is converted to the faith of a fast virtual window manager [15:10] :P [15:10] nyRednek, no, that's a man instead [15:10] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:10] rotfl [15:10] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:10] metrofox: if you want to see if someone is travestite, check the cheeks ;-) [15:10] Action: deco checks Camarade_Tux's cheeks [15:10] mmm... [15:11] whats with the cheeks? [15:11] Camarade_Tux, does it work? [15:11] deco: wide enough :) [15:11] metrofox: yup [15:11] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:11] uh... And why? [15:11] men cheeks are really different from women's [15:11] Camarade_Tux: hmmmm they are kinda mmmm soft [15:11] they're much stronger [15:11] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-26-43.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Action: Camarade_Tux trying to get a pic [15:11] metrofox, ? [15:11] Camarade_Tux, men face is different than women's [15:12] winter (i=q3@game.satkol.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:12] but didn't know about that... [15:12] thank you :P I got more experienced [15:12] nyRednek, we're joking ;) Just don't worry [15:12] hey everyone [15:12] :) [15:12] hey gar0t0 [15:12] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.163) joined ##slackware. [15:13] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:13] talking about homos, there is gar0t0 [15:13] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] guax, you're scaring gar0t0 [15:13] well, it's rather the cheekbone you have to check [15:13] metrofox, dont go only on cheeks, you can get in trouble [15:13] lmao2k (n=nothere@82.34.242.225) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:14] the cheek may be like a woman's but the cheekbone usually won't so you'll have a clear contrast between the cheeks and the cheekbones [15:14] is there another trick about identifying a travestite? [15:14] guax: yeah, it's only a heuristic, it might raise false positives and true negatives :P [15:14] butt cheeks or cheeks cheeks ? [15:14] cheeks cheeks [15:15] Camarade_Tux: ok wrong place [15:15] sorry for that Camarade_Tux [15:15] I wan't aware of the other meaning until I googled... [15:15] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.201.85) left irc: Operation timed out [15:15] deco: hahaha :P [15:15] check the name in documents and if it have the wrong slot for your card [15:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Camarade_Tux: :P [15:16] Quick question, how do you compile libmp4v2 support into faac, the default in slackbuilds.org doesn't seem to work [15:17] guax: RAh!! little bitch :) [15:17] Camarade_Tux: :) how are you man ? [15:17] oh God... I read, are you a man? [15:18] LOL [15:18] metrofox: he checked the cheeks... [15:18] lol [15:18] ahahahahaha [15:18] [16:20] [Quem é] Camarade_Tux é n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr (Adrien Nader) [15:18] the whois never lies [15:18] gar0t0: fine, and you [15:19] Action: Camarade_Tux has almost no more beer though [15:19] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.163) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:19] silent: have you tried configure switches for faac? [15:19] silent, I'm taking a look to it [15:19] guax: he ;p [15:20] notice how I'm putting my real name now -_- [15:20] Camarade_Tux, I've used the option recommended in the slackbuild [15:20] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-0-204.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [15:20] silent, what slackbuild are you talking about? :) [15:20] Camarade_Tux: I'm fine... sorry!! I'm thinking you are a men :D [15:20] man* [15:20] metrofox, I'm talk about faac on slackbuilds.org for 13.0 [15:20] Rainly (n=Rainly@114-42-187-131.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Nick change: Rainly -> Rainly_ [15:21] well Camarade_Tux you passed cheeks test [15:21] ok, let's make it clear, I'm a man ;p [15:21] Camarade_Tux: are you sure? [15:21] metrofox: ya know, there is another test I can pass... [15:21] Camarade_Tux, no, there'll be no need to do that [15:21] fire|bird: yeah, remember last night? it was me :) [15:21] ROTFL [15:21] lol [15:22] Camarade_Tux, metrofox, the exact flag is --without-libmp4v2. Somehow that is suppose to work according the comments [15:22] ... [15:22] that all doesnt seem like a slackware channel talk to me [15:22] silent: I take you've installed libmp4v2 [15:22] qneo: are you new ? [15:22] silent, add that variable(ucomment that is that's commented) [15:22] Camarade_Tux, yes I have [15:22] i ment guax * [15:22] *if that is already commented... [15:22] metrofox, I've add it to the configure line [15:22] Rainly_ (n=Rainly@114-42-187-131.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:23] deco, slackware channel dont mean this slackware channel, but a slackware talk channel in the utopic way =P [15:23] Camarade_Tux: You're this |-| close to being added to my /shitlist like deco. :P [15:23] silent: you have a file named config.log in the build directory, can you pastebin it? [15:23] http://www.facebook.com/people/Adrien-Nader/666043294 <-- Camarade_Tux is you ? [15:23] fire|bird: I haven't eaten enough before I started to drink :) [15:23] Camarade_Tux, sure [15:23] O_o [15:23] lol [15:23] fire|bird: lol [15:23] fire|bird: you are a bad person [15:23] naaa, cheeks say something else [15:23] 65cl, 6.3% [15:23] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird [15:23] gar0t0: definitely not, you'll never see me on facebook [15:23] you just reminded me :) [15:23] Necos: you weren't here the other day when I did that. :P [15:23] fire|bird: it greate power comes great responsibility ;-) [15:24] It was awesome [15:24] with great* [15:24] there are two Adrien Nader living in France btw [15:24] (at least) [15:24] Camarade_Tux, have to rebuild, one sec [15:24] ;d [15:24] :D [15:24] you started stabbing people? [15:24] lol [15:24] Necos: I added deco to /shitlist, it notified the entire channel. deco's response was awesome [15:25] Max-T (n=Max@5ac7a6a0.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] hahaha [15:25] gar0t0, this is him http://www.acemprol.com/download/file.php?id=5703 [15:25] damn, i gotta see the logs from that :P [15:25] fire|bird: lol did you save it ? [15:25] Necos: It showed, deco has been added to fire|bird's shitlist :_ [15:25] :) [15:25] guax: no... its me :D [15:25] with great mustache comes great responsability [15:25] does the shitlist smeel? [15:25] Action: nyRednek grabs three throwing knives and throws them randomly into crowd [15:26] Camarade_Tux: that's not your real lastname [15:26] you can't fool me [15:26] maybe I drank it a bit too quickly... [15:26] *smell [15:26] Necos: and then after, any time deco said anything, it showed deco > [shitlisted] [15:26] LOL [15:26] <-- just decided to take the plunge and download slackware and install it on my desktop instead of win xp wish me luck xD [15:26] Action: nyRednek hands fire|bird a sword [15:26] that's awesome [15:26] \o/ [15:26] deco: Adrien Nader is my real name, as written on my passport, my French ID card, my Lebanese ID card and every other official and unofficial paper [15:26] Camarade_Tux: lies [15:26] Max-T \o/ welcome to the dark side [15:26] all lies [15:26] Necos: It was the day before yesterday if you want to grep the logs. [15:26] Camarade_Tux, here it is: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/lT6H2f94.html [15:27] Man_of_Wax: oh yeah, it's saved. :) [15:27] argh [15:27] lol thanks Necos. [15:27] there that goes again. [15:27] silent: love your hostname ;p [15:27] Camarade_Tux, vou parlevou francé? [15:27] Camarade_Tux, but in the streets you say you're another persona, are you ling us? [15:27] Camarade_Tux, I know [15:27] ok, that was the worst... [15:27] I can't say "deco" and tab complete, it changes to Man_of_Wax. [15:27] wtf [15:27] LOL [15:27] lol [15:27] ...... [15:27] ... [15:27] it's the /shitlist [15:27] Necos: evidently. :P [15:27] Camarade_Tux, my other comp is "nothing" [15:27] silent: it says libmp4v2 should be used... [15:28] Necos: I can give you the url to how to set that up in irssi if you want. :P [15:28] guax: well, it's my native language ;-) [15:28] i don't use irssi :P [15:28] Camarade_Tux, I studied Freanch for 3 years... [15:28] Necos: your no fun. :P [15:28] un deux trois... quatre cinq... [15:28] guax: btw, you said "you do you speak french", the correct form is "parlez-vous français ?" [15:28] Camarade_Tux: that's like first grade stuff :P [15:28] humm [15:28] metrofox: nah, that's in the streets that I'm lying -_- [15:29] je sui fatige [15:29] fail [15:29] lol [15:29] guax: take some more classes [15:29] "je suis fatigue" or something :P [15:29] Camarade_Tux, I thought so to, but when I run faac with metatags it gives an error [15:29] Necos: yup [15:29] metrofox: french shouldn't be too hard for an italian [15:29] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Necos, cmon, i speak english and portuguese [15:29] silent: does faac produce any binary? [15:29] Camarade_Tux, that has got too accents... [15:29] I mean binary you can run [15:29] Action: byteframe can't get quest addons slackbuild for vbox to build [15:29] I always get confused [15:29] i speak english, french, and japanese :P [15:29] guax: oi [15:30] qneo: como vai voce ? :P [15:30] altho, my french is pretty rusty [15:30] deco, viu, não preciso adicionar mais francês agora =P a linguas mais legais [15:30] Necos: so you're prtobably japanese [15:30] Necos, I sicilian(in the streets), English(a little bit), Italian, French(no, it's not true) [15:30] há linguas* [15:30] I'm British, when I go abroad I just speak English slowly and loudly ;) [15:30] Camarade_Tux, I don't understand. As in a file? No, it'll give me unknown command --artist for example [15:30] no, i'm black ya dingdong [15:31] AlexElliott: haha ;) [15:31] english is my first language [15:31] silent: like windows's .exe files [15:31] I didn't want to study french because I want to study english, I like that language a lot [15:31] Action: winter burps [15:31] congrats [15:31] Alex, do you try to smile very little too? [15:31] Necos: Also, there's an alias for /unshit, to take people off the shitlist. :P [15:31] hahahahahaha [15:32] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:32] hi winter [15:32] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:32] alicephilippa (i=alice@88.128.94.254) joined ##slackware. [15:32] fire|bird: let's say you need a dinner but have nothing at home, what are you going to buy beside a pizza or a hamburger? [15:32] Action: Camarade_Tux eating bread+cheese+ham [15:32] hai [15:32] Camarade_Tux, I don't think so. I don't see any *.bin files, What am I suppose to look for (extension please?) [15:32] Action: winter afk [15:32] french... I pronounce "Parlez vous Francais?" so it rhymes with "Charles mouse crankcase", is that wrong? [15:32] lol [15:32] metrofox: you had to chose between french and english? [15:32] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Camarade_Tux, no... I had to study both, but I didn't study french [15:33] garkcon, garckon! [15:33] mancha, garçon [15:33] silent: no, not bin, but they'd be added to /usr/bin, they have no suffix [15:33] my problem these days is that if i'm speaking french, i'll randomly start thinking in japanese... [15:33] metrofox: he :P [15:33] Camarade_Tux, ahhhh. Got you. One sec [15:33] Hey undecidable|audaciously [15:33] metrofox: I should have learnt german actively, I learnt german... passively... [15:33] er, Urchlay [15:33] lol [15:33] Necos: hahah :P [15:33] yay, my phone ran out of minutes...the guy who annoys me with random linux q's on phone can't call [15:34] manipulations|nonzero [15:34] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-62.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:34] Camarade_Tux, same situation for me... french instead of german... I just study what I want... [15:34] >.> [15:34] Camarade_Tux, I've got faac and numerous other mp4* [15:34] i once heard a cat speak french... [15:35] lol [15:35] le' meow? [15:35] he was really a skunk :P [15:35] freedom meos [15:35] le pew! [15:35] deco, was the cat drunk or were you? [15:35] :P [15:35] metrofox: deco was [15:35] or both? [15:35] metrofox: hmmmm i don't drink so i don't really know... :P [15:35] It's unusual hearing a cat speaking Freanch... [15:35] run ldd on the mp4* ones, does it give any reference to libmp4v2? like 'file mp4$something |grep libmp4v2' ? [15:35] deco, so that was LSD ;) [15:35] Necos: I know, he was watching Garfield. [15:35] did the cat not wear deoderant? [15:35] don't worry... Everybody wrongs... [15:36] fire|bird, Garfield speaks English and eats Italian food... [15:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [15:36] Camarade_Tux, I do have a reference [15:36] and punches odie in the face [15:36] mancha: no just harry armpits [15:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] so it was a female cat? [15:36] silent: what is the exact error the tool spits? [15:36] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:36] i guess so.... [15:37] hm I have heard a mouse speaking french, but that was Tom and Jerry :P [15:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:37] maybe he seen Camarade_Tux in a cat suit. [15:37] fire|bird: role playing ;-) [15:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] lol BP{k} [15:37] deco, O.O do you watch animals' ass? [15:37] Man_of_Wax, I don't want to know. [15:37] argh [15:37] wft [15:37] Channel flood from fire|bird -- kicking [15:37] wtf [15:37] fire|bird kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:37] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn64.91-127-209.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [15:37] BP{k}: is that the one where the mouse is a musketeer, using a sewing needle for a sword? [15:37] yeah! [15:37] ^^ [15:37] * slackboy ha espulso fire|bird da ##slackware (flood) [15:37] hahahaha i remember that ep [15:37] he had to ban him [15:38] rotfl [15:38] fredoslack: damn it I'm not Man_of_Wax !!!!!! [15:38] grrr sorry fredoslack not you [15:38] lol [15:38] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:38] wrong nick , because fire|bird got kicked out [15:38] whoops [15:38] fire|bird: you haven't put the pics of me in a mouse suit on the internet, have you? [15:38] fire|bird is back in the ashes [15:38] deco, hi )à [15:38] en garde, monsieur poosycat! [15:38] fire|bird, what happened?(uhuh) [15:38] =) [15:38] poor fire|bird [15:38] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.204.146) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:38] fredoslack: :) [15:38] Urchlay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm6MvkO6zdY .. a classic :) [15:38] oh, hay fredoslack btw :) [15:38] metrofox: typed too much [15:38] fire|bird, yes I know... [15:38] Camarade_Tux, error is "faac: unrecognized option '--artist'" etc [15:39] silent, fuck faac! [15:39] :P [15:39] Why would it be that I can't tab complete "deco" it keeps changing to Man_of_Wax? [15:39] fack faac :P [15:39] fire|bird: you love me but you hate me ? [15:39] silent: I don't think it's related to mp4v2 [15:39] metrofox, I just might second it :-) [15:39] hi fire|bird Camarade_Tux =) [15:39] deco, love is strange [15:39] metrofox: indeed [15:40] hmmmm, zsh accepts to tab-complete apt-get :D [15:40] Action: fire|bird starts typing /shitlist deco [15:40] :D [15:40] nnooooooooOOO [15:40] the horror [15:40] stickyboy (n=hugo@196.202.207.19) left irc: "leaving" [15:40] Camarade_Tux, I was think I compiled faac wrong. but you just said it read it. Should I try using the internal libmp4v2? [15:40] silent: are you sure the problem isn't with your command-line [15:40] "deco" I laughed so hard from that the other day. It was great. [15:40] fire|bird: did you eve save it ? [15:41] that was exciting... [15:41] even* [15:41] BP{k}: yes! [15:41] silent: /me doesn't think faac's command-line options change depending on whether mp4v2 is used [15:41] Necos: faac is just a faad just like gst-plugins-bad (Sorry, couldn't resist.) [15:41] Camarade_Tux, I'm using abcde to be exact. Encoding to m4a and flac. The flac is fine, m4a is not. [15:41] hm, the native 64-bit flash plugin works a lot better for fullscreen video [15:41] fire|bird, what's the time in you country? [15:41] Urchlay: and don't forget the other classic .. "the Two Mouseketeers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0FrseBT4ro [15:41] silent: also, if compilation succeeded, your libmp4v2 is probably ok for faac [15:41] metrofox: 14:41 [15:42] uh... [15:42] you don't know service time? :P 2:41 [15:42] so you've a full day to spend... lucky you... [15:42] silent: it's hard to say but I'm almost sure your faac and libmp4v2 are installed properly, check your command-line, it could be something really simple and even invisible [15:42] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:42] (retype everything) [15:43] like ' ' and ' ' are two different characters but you can't see the difference... [15:43] Camarade_Tux, I've checked. And it's run through abcde (I'm not typing anything, lazy me) [15:43] i was helping metrofox with his faac pun :P [15:43] Necos, mm, we've to get it better [15:43] silent: but was is abcde? [15:44] sorenp, fuck faac is not good... but fack faac yes [15:44] Necos, [15:44] why does my tab always fail? [15:44] i wake up to the sound of roosters and turkeys ... :( sometimes.. [15:44] nobdy can tab complete right. [15:44] someone from telephony here? [15:44] Camarade_Tux, checked and it's good [15:45] i need some feedback on this: http://www.guax.net/2009/10/call-flow-diagram/ [15:45] "deco" nah, that's just Camarade_Tux's nature sounds alarm clock. [15:45] fire|bird: can't tab my nick still ? [15:45] no [15:45] fire|bird: ..... [15:45] silent: but are you sure *this* version supports --artist? have you checked its --help? [15:46] fire|bird: I can tab-complete :P [15:46] Camarade_Tux, yes. It said if I have libmp4v2 install it should support [15:46] Camarade_Tux: I CAN'T [15:46] just set everything to use last-spoken order rather than alphabetical one ;) [15:46] ugh [15:46] Camarade_Tux: There's an option for that in irssi? [15:46] Action: Camarade_Tux gonna take a look at faac [15:47] just needs the alcohol to go away a bit [15:47] wait... it's going to get worse [15:47] like those GPSes that list search results in order by how close they are to where you happen to be at the time you make the search... drives me mad [15:47] ewww [15:48] Urchlay: the route you want your gps to find has to be the easiest one :P [15:48] Urchlay: otoh, it may be the fastest to compute ;) [15:48] Action: Camarade_Tux wakes up with the sun [15:48] no rooster here [15:48] aka deco [15:49] Camarade_Tux: i live across the zoo.... [15:49] it's fun sometimes.. [15:49] guax: what's a PBX? [15:49] deco: haha :P [15:49] welll... [15:50] a question [15:50] Camarade_Tux: they have a little train that takes the kids aroudn the zoo :P [15:50] had a few roosters wake me up during last holidays, works too ;) [15:50] around* [15:50] there will be a real change the 21st December 2012? [15:50] metrofox: yes! [15:50] Camarade_Tux: what I'm talking about also applies to "favorites" [15:50] metrofox: jesus will come [15:50] (I'm not talking about new U.S. election :P) [15:50] Camarade_Tux, a private phone switch, aggregator, or what you wanna call [15:51] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] deco, and...? [15:51] metrofox: will kill the non belivers [15:51] Urchlay: it was half ironical: you want your gps to try to give you the route to the baker/butcher/grocery store you go to everyday ;) [15:51] deco, are you saying I'm gonna die? [15:51] well, I still can't word it properly I think ;p [15:52] metrofox: dunno i've never been to church [15:52] Camarade_Tux: like, I put 30 destinations in as "favorites", now I want to go to one of them... I hit "favorites" and they come up in order by how far they are from where I am, with maybe 3 of them displayed on screen at once, so I have to scroll through what's basically a randomly ordered list... [15:52] are you killing me through IRC? [15:52] LOL [15:52] hmmm, "gps are trying to be as useless as possible"? [15:52] metrofox: jesus will come and see all the horror and leave probably [15:52] Camarade_Tux, gps are old... Now phones include a anything [15:52] I got vmware workstation 6.5 working [15:52] this particular GPS also has an on-screen "keyboard" where you type, which is fine, except it's not QWERTY or even Dvorak, it's ABCDE.... [15:52] thanks for the help [15:53] dhw: you're welcome [15:53] np anytime [15:53] lol uch [15:53] * Urchlay [15:53] damn ssh lag [15:53] fortunately I was only borrowing the annoying gps, now I know not to buy this model (it's a garmin) [15:53] Urchlay: haha, get used to id like me to belgian keyboards [15:53] abcde is also how it's done on the TI calculators [15:53] metrofox: and suck at everything at once? [15:53] Urchlay: HAHAHA! :P [15:54] dhw: now you get to say what you did :) [15:54] Wiren (n=aad@80.13.211.241) joined ##slackware. [15:54] ran vmware.bundle [15:55] and this time it worked [15:55] don't ask me how [15:55] or why [15:55] it just did [15:55] Necos: I once wrote an ABCDE keymap and made it the default, on a co-worker's Debian box... took him forever to figure out WTF happened [15:55] lol [15:55] evil! [15:55] samuelig (n=samuelig@3.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:55] Urchlay: nice one :P [15:56] this guy used a Dvorak layout, but physically his keyboard was qwerty, and he would ask me to help with something... [15:56] >.> [15:56] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-50-123-97.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] fire|bird: you still have to tell me what you'd eat if your fridge was empty and weren't allowed fast food (sandwiches not included in fast food) and pastas [15:57] if he'd had dvorak keycaps I could have done hunt-and-peck, instead it was "10 press a random key. 20 Is it the one I wanted? No. Press backspace. GOTO 10" [15:58] Wiren (n=aad@80.13.211.241) left irc: Client Quit [15:58] Lie to me begun, see ya later! [15:58] metrofox: what? :o [15:58] metrofox: ciao :) [15:58] show ? [15:58] silent: still having problems with faac? [15:59] Camarade_Tux, yep [15:59] Camarade_Tux: I don't really eat fast food anyway. [15:59] fire|bird: chicken ? [15:59] silent: ok, I'm going to have a look at it, I just need a few minutes for the beer to completely wear off [15:59] oh waite that thing looks too much like a bird [15:59] hahaha [15:59] Camarade_Tux, haha. Sounds good [16:00] exxkexx (n=exxkexx@123.243.115.92) joined ##slackware. [16:00] fire|bird: say my name [16:00] no way [16:00] say it [16:01] nope [16:01] ..... [16:01] ok, beer over :P [16:01] hwat are you drinking ? [16:01] anyone helps? i have just recompiled kernel with HIGHMEM64G, but memory is still recognized as 3gb (it should have been 4gb) [16:01] what you're drinking? [16:01] exxkexx: 32bit or 64bit ? [16:01] Urchlay: btw, he didn't use vim, did he? [16:02] fire|bird, i'd buy a stick of crisco vegetable shortning, cut up some potatoes, and slow fry them [16:02] winter: beer? :P [16:02] can taste it now [16:02] deco: 32bit (slackware 13.0) [16:02] :O, fried potatoes, that's good. [16:02] trimmer (n=trimmer@63-228-162-182.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [16:02] i mean, what's itrs name? [16:02] trimmer (n=trimmer@63-228-162-240.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] http://www.flickr.com/photos/optionthis/241324195/ [16:03] deco: i think 32bit can only have 3gb dunno ask someone else [16:03] let the upper ones steam soft in grease [16:03] oh shit [16:03] wtf [16:03] i'm talking to myself again [16:03] pozican (n=drusepth@61.135.179.52) joined ##slackware. [16:03] someone say shit......shitlist perhaps? :P [16:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-26-43.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:04] Camarade_Tux: http://www.humpdayhappiness.com/beer/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/hdh39_okocim.jpg [16:04] alicephilippa (i=alice@88.128.94.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:04] exxkexx (n=exxkexx@123.243.115.92) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:04] CTCP DCC: SEND irc.hackerthreads.org#hackerthreads 0 0 0 from pozican (pozican!n=drusepth@61.135.179.52) to ##slackware [16:04] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] bolide (i=1000@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] Dinithio1 (n=thomas@242.80-203-59.nextgentel.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:04] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.43.176) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] alienBOB: you use Citrix PN too ? 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[16:05] argh [16:05] fire|bird: lol fail [16:05] Why is that happening [16:05] DCC SEND from pozican [0.0.0.0 port 0]: [16:05] pozican (n=drusepth@61.135.179.52) left irc: K-lined [16:05] Camarade_Tux: the ABCDE keyboard guy was a die-hard emacs addict [16:05] fire|bird: you borked your system like always [16:05] programa neighborhood [16:05] My system isn't borked. [16:06] fire|bird: say my name then [16:06] lol, someone also got the dcc request from pozican? [16:06] no way [16:06] fire|bird: say it [16:06] you're annoying. [16:06] deco is now on ignore [16:06] Urchlay: even funnier for vimmers ;) [16:06] atleast i can say fire|bird [16:06] alienBOB: program neighborhood [16:06] alienBOB: tiny typing mistake in your Qemu documentation , you have typed 2xto for "This enables you to to run an unmodified operating system in QEMU" [16:07] Camarade_Tux: http://www.humpdayhappiness.com/beer/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/hdh39_okocim.jpg [16:07] winter: never drank polish beer [16:07] Camarade_Tux: the guy didn't even know his own password. In qwerty, it would have been azsxdcfv (but he used dvorak, so it was whatever keys are in those positions) [16:07] init[0]: I do that to see who actually *reads* the documentation ;-) [16:07] silent: what was the error with --artist? unrecognized/unknown option? [16:07] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [16:07] apoca: I did. :( [16:08] I learnt that from my german language teacher 30+ years ago [16:08] Camarade_Tux: weell, and i'm rarely drinking american [16:08] scowcron (i=1000@emcnair-79-88.resnet.mtu.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:08] alienBOB: :) ,yea i was preparing a report on Qemu yours seem to be nice ,:) [16:08] gar0t0: ah.. no I do not use program neighborhood [16:08] chopp: I saw this the last time about 2 years ago [16:08] winter: I don't know of any american beer actually [16:08] Camarade_Tux, the error is: "faac: unrecognized option '--artist'" and then for all the other metatags. [16:08] I can't believe there still are some of these "hacker kiddies" out there [16:08] bosse_ (i=1000@c-94-255-241-138.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] apoca, there always will be [16:09] Nick change: bosse_ -> nille [16:09] what's all this dcc send stuff? i got what C00re got. [16:09] alienBOB: I going to read you wiki for "make openmotif compatibilitie"!! I need only the libXm.so.4 [16:09] Necos: sending out dcc requests with faked ports? [16:09] Camarade_Tux: so where is your spot? [16:10] lol all sorts of fun stuff [16:10] there was a bug in mIRC 6 years ago, which killed a clients connection after a wrong dcc request, but nowadays? [16:10] pozican... [16:10] he got klined [16:10] We are working on it. [16:10] address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall) [16:10] ehm not good hehe [16:10] alienBOB: if I make this lib in 32bits and copy for the /usr/lib directory will it work [16:10] :~ [16:10] It causes some firewalls/routers to freak out [16:11] old bug [16:11] it came from 0.0.0.0. hai guys is that the center of the interwebs? [16:11] hehehe [16:11] i really can't believe what's the intention for these guys for being so destructive [16:11] Dominian: Old_Fogie would be twisting off about now. :) [16:11] silent: argh, I'm suspecting a bug upstream actually, can you compile with the following CFLAG: CFLAGS="-DHAVE_LIBMP4V2=1" (dunno where you'd write that though: configure or make) [16:11] that's like sooo damn stupid [16:11] (which means editing the slackbuild) [16:11] oh, france. [16:12] :) [16:12] apoca: to show their power i expect. [16:12] oh, france. [16:12] show what power? [16:12] oh, france. [16:12] its a known bug [16:12] winter: my spot? g-spot? :D [16:12] anone have any idea why this might be happening: # slackpkg search xserver The list below shows all packages with the selected pattern. [uninstalled] - arts-1.5.10-i486-opt1 [16:12] means nothing more than "hey I can read a freakin' web page" [16:12] .. [16:12] FAIL [16:12] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:12] `marc_ (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [16:12] adeodatus (n=rm@92.84.24.141) left irc: Client Quit [16:12] Nick change: `marc_ -> _marc` [16:12] there power to disconnect people, to use their supposedly superior knowledge to affect others. [16:13] people do it all the time, generally. [16:13] hmmm, Black Sabbath discography, sounds good :) [16:13] Sepultura discograpy sounds now [16:14] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.93.192) joined ##slackware. [16:14] ezr (n=jpb@97-80-124-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] so, I'm going to bed now [16:14] who the fuck is pozican [16:14] night! [16:14] good night, good fight (with your boxes ;) [16:14] apoca, C00re, madbear, got a dcc request from pozican too [16:15] winter: Sepultura was a few days ago ;) [16:15] Camarade_Tux, I stuck it in the slackbuild script and got make errors. Something about undefined references. [16:15] yeah me too [16:15] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-235.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] silent: can you pastebin thse? [16:15] *these? [16:15] Camarade_Tux, I'll try [16:15] ah, I hadn't seen pozican had been k-lined [16:16] :O i got the dcc too [16:16] we got his ip right? :P [16:16] everyone got it, it was sent to channel [16:16] k [16:16] ah [16:16] good [16:16] hahaha, I did a /whois on pozican and got: 22:14 freenode | End of WHOWAS [16:17] "whowas" ^^ [16:17] hehe [16:17] Camarade_Tux, any way for me to copy from the terminal? [16:18] silent: terminal in X, or wihout anything graphical? [16:18] Camarade_Tux, terminal in X [16:19] silent: just select it and paste with your middle clikc (mouse wheel) [16:20] Camarade_Tux, thanks never figured that one out. Here it is: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/vBsQ0E18.html [16:20] has anyone ever been able to reliably center-click on a scroll mouse without also turning the scroll wheel at the same time? [16:20] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.93.192) left irc: "Leaving." [16:21] Urchlay: yeah :) [16:21] Urchlay: I do, I also middle-click on my touchpad without problem ;) [16:22] Urchlay: but I can't on a friend's computer/mouse [16:22] Urchlay, I just did ;) [16:22] Action: Camarade_Tux just did [16:22] instant noodles are really instant :O [16:23] silent: ok, let's completely sidestep configure, it's hard for me to say what is happening: add: LDFLAGS="-lmp4v2" [16:23] never used a scroll mouse where I could do *just* a center click (sometimes it'll work, but about half the time I also scroll) [16:23] it's kinda barbarian but it should work [16:23] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Network is unreachable [16:23] trimmer (n=trimmer@63-228-162-240.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [16:23] (next to CFLAGS) [16:24] trimmer (n=trimmer@71-213-232-173.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] or Shift+Inser [16:24] t [16:24] Urchlay: Well, call it scroll n' click and bind an action to it. [16:24] fire|bird: it's sorta random which direction the scroll wheel will go, when that happens [16:24] yeah [16:25] anyway not really important, am using an ancient kensington trakball that's been around since before the scroll wheel was invented [16:25] Urchlay: most probably a problem with your mouse then [16:25] Camarade_Tux, scratch the other tag too? [16:25] ah, I get why... [16:25] silent: have both CFLAGS and LDFLAGS [16:25] Camarade_Tux: a problem with every scroll mouse I've ever tried to use, you mean? [16:25] \o/ [16:26] have you expected the spanish inquisitionm? [16:26] Urchlay: no, just yours [16:26] Camarade_Tux, ok. um I'm not following [16:26] Camarade_Tux: I don't even have one, dude [16:26] brb [16:26] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "EPIC5-1.0[1581] - amnesiac : I'm outta here..." [16:27] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:27] hmmm, adrien.nader@linux.com :P [16:27] Camarade_Tux: don't be a whore :P [16:27] silent: try and see if it works ;-) [16:28] there we go [16:28] scrote (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] hi [16:28] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [16:28] deco: you know I'm one already ;) [16:28] is it safe to remove the contents of /tmp ? [16:28] Camarade_Tux, so like: CFLAGS="..." LDFLAGS="-lmp4v2"? [16:28] it's starting to consume over 5 gigs [16:28] pomysl (n=bolek@63-goc-13.acn.waw.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:28] scrote, typically, yes [16:28] scrote: better close almost everything first but yes, you can 'rm -r /tmp/*' [16:28] silent: exactly [16:28] alicephilippa (n=alice@80.187.147.185) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:28] thanx [16:29] scrote, some desktop environments need some stuff (like /tmp/kde-crap) , so don't kill that if you're running kde [16:29] Camarade_Tux, just got: "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" [16:29] pomysl (n=bolek@63-goc-13.acn.waw.pl) left ##slackware. [16:29] I'll do a ctrl-f6 [16:29] alicephilippa (i=alice@80.187.147.185) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Camarade_Tux, oh one sec [16:29] :) [16:30] Camarade_Tux, typo. Waiting for it to finish [16:30] Camarade_Tux, finished packaging. Install? [16:30] yet again this stupidcompile hangs [16:32] silent: well, you can try, remove the older package first [16:32] OK. Why is every system at system76.com Ubuntu and Ubuntu certified. [16:32] Camarade_Tux, it's good. [16:32] can someone add gdmflexiserver without adding pam? [16:32] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:32] nyRednek: what the hell is that? [16:32] (no, not pam, the other one) [16:32] silent: :) [16:33] Camarade_Tux, kudos to you, sir. Might want to send slackbuild a message. Or is it just my end? [16:33] Camarade_Tux, the program xscreensaver needs to enable a switch user button when locked [16:33] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@98.14.234.253) joined ##slackware. [16:34] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] Camarade_Tux, so what exactly was going on? [16:35] silent: absolutely no idea, it's just bypassing the configure script in a pretty direct way and non-portable way, there might have been a better (tm) solution, I might see on tomorrow [16:35] (absolutely no idea about whether I should notify the slackbuild author) [16:36] silent: it seems configure managed to find libmp4v2 but that something wasn't enabled after [16:37] Don't know either, but it was a real pain. [16:37] scowcron (i=1000@emcnair-79-88.resnet.mtu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:37] might be the --without-mp4v2 which meaning's unclear: does it disable the built-in libmp4v2 or the system-wide one? does it do both? does --with-mp4v2 enable the system one or the built-in one? etc... [16:37] Camarade_Tux, I read else where that libmpeg4* had issued, but not my case. [16:38] Camarade_Tux, I used --with-mp4v2 a moment ago. But --without-mp4v2 should work too according the comments. [16:38] well, libmpeg4 or libmp4v2? they might be very different libs [16:38] gui_ap (n=guilherm@201-92-77-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:38] hmmmm, /me has friends at a Cannibal Corpse live performance [16:38] silent: well, I know nothing about that [16:38] ;) [16:39] Camarade_Tux: ewww Cannibal Corpse [16:39] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:39] Zhahahahha [16:39] Camarade_Tux, I would send something in, but I have no idea the magic you just worked. And it was your work. Kudos again. [16:39] silent: book thursday for that [16:39] i got friday already [16:39] Action: deco hides [16:40] deco: yep [16:40] deco, book what? [16:40] silent: dinner for us both :D [16:40] (kidding ;) ) [16:40] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@98.14.234.253) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:40] Camarade_Tux, haha. Sadly I can't afford a plane ticket [16:40] Camarade_Tux, to France I believe? [16:41] silent: it would need to check in the auto* files which is not something you want to do at night, unless you enjoy nightmares :P [16:41] (no, autotools isn't very hard, only a bit annoying) [16:41] silent: yeah, France :) [16:41] Camarade_Tux, you're scaring a noob. I have no idea about autotools. [16:42] spectre1 (n=kyle@pool-173-54-180-207.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [16:42] silent: a build system that is pretty hard to use but that is the only one that works reliably on (almost) every system and configuration ever made (think old unices, windows, apple...) [16:43] autotools... it scares linux vets all the same :P [16:43] Camarade_Tux, oh. I think I'll keep my noobness away then. [16:43] Camarade_Tux: you're gonna get a kick out of this lol [16:43] Camarade_Tux: http://omploader.org/vMmo3MQ [16:43] brb, switching to gdm [16:43] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:44] deco: hahaha :P [16:44] deco: interfacelift? [16:45] Camarade_Tux: nah 4walled.com [16:45] their wallpapers are really nice but you have to keep in mind they (ab)use HDR [16:46] deco: doesn't load here [16:46] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-12-214.w90-34.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:46] Camarade_Tux: ooops .org [16:46] :P [16:47] http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/downloads/date/any/?promo=disabled [16:47] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:47] Camarade_Tux: pretteh [16:49] Spammer is here. [16:49] Does dcc with some spam links. [16:49] Camarade_Tux: fire|bird got banned once from there for downloading too much [16:50] Platyna: already taken care of [16:50] Platyna: he was klined about 30mins ago [16:50] Dominian: she spammed the offtopic channel [16:50] see you ppl [16:50] deco: Well I'm not in that channel [16:50] I need to finesh my plan [16:50] Dominian: oh nvm someone else was an accident lol [16:50] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "RAH" [16:50] deco: That user hit more than just that that channel.. trust me ;) [16:51] Dominian: OK. [16:52] damn these bastards and their expensive EOS equipment :P [16:52] Necos: start saving up. :) [16:52] deco: hehe :P [16:52] Camarade_Tux: :P [16:52] i shoot nikon you insensitive clod [16:52] Necos: I know, you told be before. [16:52] me [16:53] there are no accidents [16:53] Necos: I shoot Samsung point and shoot :P [16:53] Action: Necos shoots fire|bird [16:53] :) there, fixed that for ya [16:53] Necos: AHHH, the flash, it's blinding. [16:53] Camarade_Tux: i think dark themes are hurting my eyes [16:54] Necos: Just curious, why Nikon over Canon? [16:54] deco: they are [16:54] Camarade_Tux: you too ? [16:54] deco: almost everybody [16:54] deco: I use gray/grey for backgrounds [16:54] because i started with nikon, and the camera controls on canon are the ONLY non-standard ones... [16:54] (I only have terms) [16:54] you have M / A / S / P, on canon they have some other retarded dial settings [16:55] Necos: Ah, ok. I've never had neither a Canon or Nikon camera. [16:55] Camarade_Tux: yeah me too, just need to lighten my panels , borders etc... [16:55] if you shoot with any other SLR, the controls are the same [16:55] only canon changed it.. lo [16:55] lol [16:56] Necos: The most expensive camera I've had is a Pentax Option S40, retailed for around $400, I hit a good deal one time for $100. :P [16:56] argh, Optio [16:56] wait [16:56] oh, nvm, wrong channel [16:56] winter: lets go back [16:57] where [16:57] Action: metrofox is back [16:57] nice fire|bird :) [16:57] winter: to our laire [16:58] Necos: It's only 4MP, but it shoots great pictures and has some cool color effects, so I keep it around. [16:58] and, it's a solid aluminum body to it too, not some cheap plastic crap. :P [16:58] mp4 [16:59] i shoot with a 6.1MP, so whatever :) [16:59] paissad-hp (n=paissad@89.87.195.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:59] yeah, it's not so much about MP as much as a quality lens. [17:00] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-235.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] The Samsung I use now is 10MP, it's nice because it has AEB to mess with HDR shots. [17:01] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.124.6) joined ##slackware. [17:02] in-camera? [17:02] Well, in-camera as far as taking the 3 shots @ different exposures, but as far as combining them, that'd need software on the PC. [17:03] i'm looking to buy a Nikon D200 when i get some spare cash :) [17:03] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-91-161.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:03] need more dials lol [17:03] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] i have a cannon powershot [17:03] Necos: haha, yeah, more dials, regardless of function, just makes things better, don't they? :P [17:03] /c [17:03] bah [17:03] fail [17:04] >.> [17:04] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "leaving" [17:04] well, i don't like to go into menus to change camera settings (always shoot in M) [17:04] Necos: yeah, having to go through menu after menu is a pain in the rear. [17:05] so having more at my fingertips make shooting a hell of a lot easier [17:05] yeah, agreed. [17:05] and now that we have better raw processing options for linux, i'm seriously thinking about doing more work [17:05] lmao2k (n=nothere@82.34.242.225) joined ##slackware. [17:06] D3x looks cool. :P [17:06] http://jcornuz.wordpress.com/ [17:06] Necos: can i borrow your camara for friday night ? [17:07] no bish [17:07] :) [17:07] :( [17:07] Camarade_Tux: no pics then [17:07] lol [17:07] ask fire|bird [17:07] nah he can't even say my name [17:08] Necos: D200 looks great. [17:08] deco: ? [17:08] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Camarade_Tux: rein, mon cheri :) [17:09] Necos: It's fastest shutter speed (1/8,000) leaves mine in the dust. :P [17:09] yeah, 1/8000 great for sports work [17:09] k. it's time for bladerunner. [17:10] 1/500 - 1/800 can freeze frame a humming bird. [17:10] Necos: mine can go to 1/2,000 so it's plenty good for what I do. [17:10] yeah, but ya know, it's still fun :) [17:11] Necos: i need one of those speedy ones for soccer [17:11] Necos: definitely. :) [17:11] Another thing I like about mine is burst goes as long as you hold down the shutter, some only allow 3-5, etc. [17:12] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) joined ##slackware. [17:12] OOo packages? [17:12] troy: http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [17:13] fire|bird: that's cool. [17:13] fire|bird: what camera is that ? [17:13] deco: thanks [17:13] troy: np :) [17:13] "deco" The one I have that does that is Samsung BL103 [17:14] fire|bird: that's a cool feature perfect for soccer :D [17:14] well, time to go to bed, I'm trying to get saner schedules [17:14] yeah, just keep a steady hand and fast shutter, or you'll have nothing but blur. [17:14] night Camarade_Tux [17:14] *or* I can finish a mail and code [17:14] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [17:14] Camarade_Tux: bon nuit [17:15] fire|bird: it's hard to keep a steady hand for me :( [17:16] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:16] fire|bird, i can actually burst 7-9 on my D50 ^.^ [17:16] fire|bird: this it ? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10727357 [17:17] hmmm, anyone have gutenprint installed in slack13? [17:17] guys, I go to bed now =) [17:17] see ya [17:18] ciao deco; bye Necos; see ya fire|bird [17:18] night metrofox [17:18] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.53.126.118) left irc: "+-||\-" [17:18] Necos: almost everybody? [17:19] Necos: what camera do you recommend for taking shots of soccer games ? [17:19] the one i have sucks for long distance [17:19] it's not about the camera, it's about the lens :) [17:20] Necos: ok :P , what lens then [17:20] Camarade_Tux (i forgot that i'm running 13) :) [17:20] ok, to add the new login button to xscreensaver, one must install gdm and then recompile xscreensaver with the --enable-login-manager option [17:20] ezr (n=jpb@97-80-124-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:20] for soccer, it's usually outdoors, right? [17:21] then edit .xscreensaver files [17:21] Necos: yeah [17:21] Necos: bright sun etc... [17:21] 200mm f4 lens will be great for that (light and long range) [17:21] or 300 f4 if you can afford it [17:21] Necos: ok thanks, ill look in to that :) [17:21] ezr (n=jpb@97-80-124-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:22] stop it down to f8, f11 [17:22] and then fire away :) [17:22] :) [17:22] if you're doing f4 lenses, canon is a better choice (thye have a whole line of f4 lenses) [17:23] Necos: :P [17:23] i'm a landscape shooter, so i go for ultra wide angle :) [17:24] and now i'm pissed 'cause i realize the epson printer that i need is in the goddamn gutenprint 5.2.4 which i can't get to compile on my 10.2 cups server >.> [17:24] ouch :( [17:25] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [17:25] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [17:25] gonna have to play with versions until i get it to build lol [17:26] one of the teachers bought this epson workforce printer, but i don't have the cups driver for it [17:26] Necos: are you a student too ? [17:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-436182.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:28] sirmacik (n=bolek@63-goc-13.acn.waw.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:28] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:28] no, lol [17:28] Necos: k :P [17:28] i've been working here for 12 yrs :) [17:28] Necos: man those cameras are expensive :( [17:28] oh :P [17:29] the lenses are expensive, but you keep those things for DECADES [17:29] yeah [17:30] sirmacik (n=bolek@63-goc-13.acn.waw.pl) left ##slackware. [17:31] brb [17:34] "deco" yup [17:35] "fire|bird" ok [17:37] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [17:38] deco, Necos : I'll second the Canon recommendation [17:38] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:38] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-214-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:38] xhttp (n=aspid@94.100.90.30) joined ##slackware. [17:38] damn wirless phones [17:38] we hates you [17:38] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-172-195.netvisao.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:38] xhttp (n=aspid@94.100.90.30) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [17:38] slackie_ (n=x@cb-217-129-172-195.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:39] vcampos (n=vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) joined ##slackware. [17:39] don't we precious, we hates them wireless phones [17:45] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) joined ##slackware. [17:46] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:55] ezr (n=jpb@97-80-124-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:55] uva_ (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] night all [17:56] :) [17:56] night Camarade_Tux [17:57] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [17:58] what's the name of the crap that is managing sound on ubuntu [17:59] ah, pulseaudio [17:59] br00tal (n=Jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:00] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@173.86.41.3) joined ##slackware. [18:00] night fire|bird [18:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:02] my xchat is weird tonight [18:03] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@76.109.186.164) joined ##slackware. [18:04] oh, well. as long as I've an xterm I'll be fine [18:04] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:05] gui_ap (n=guilherm@201-92-77-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. 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[18:11] uva (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:12] hmmm, wtf? it's running -O6 >.> [18:12] -O6 sounds ludicrous [18:12] stick ot something sane like -O2 [18:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-436182.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] TenoRio (n=ramon@187.65.34.51) left ##slackware. [18:15] yeah, i think that's why it's hanging [18:18] mayhaps, test and see [18:19] mayhaps hmm maybe+perhaps=mayhaps. I never heard that one before [18:19] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:20] yeah, just modified hehehe [18:20] lol oops [18:20] just modified the slackbuild, but it's still using -O6, wtf... [18:20] your modifying-fu is weak, grashopper [18:20] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-162-151.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] since this is a 10.2 box, i can't just use the slack13 slackbuild >.> [18:22] use the power of sed and the force will be strong with you. [18:22] slackware_bob (n=bobby@76.249.229.126) joined ##slackware. [18:22] i sed a disturbance in the force.. [18:22] Hey Slackjawed People. [18:23] lol sed the makefile? [18:23] ok I have a slackbook related questions.... [18:23] Necos, what are you building? [18:23] the answer is who knows, 2011 maybe [18:23] gutenprint? [18:23] yeah [18:23] if anyone understands the system startup initialization stuff.... [18:23] i bet some does [18:24] its very simple, i've not read nor do i care to dl the slackbook, but as and we'll answer about the slac rc setup [18:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [18:24] but i didn't see any real question [18:24] *ask [18:24] and what do you mean by, "it's running -06" ? [18:24] well, I thought I'd mention the topic first then type the question.... [18:24] the question is: the startup system is called sysvinit? [18:24] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:24] just ask, enough preludes! [18:25] http://www.pastebin.ca/1616701 [18:25] slackware_bob: use but we also use a bsd style [18:25] yes but* [18:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@80.187.147.185) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:25] slackware_bob: finish reading the book first [18:25] Necos, does it die there? [18:26] slackware's init is systemv [18:26] hangs [18:26] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.198.185) joined ##slackware. [18:26] slackware bob, yes it is a sysvinit boot process [18:26] Necos, are you on gcc 4.4 by chance? [18:27] deco: ok, I see that is says it uses BSD-style layout for it's intiialize files as opposed to system v init scripts. [18:27] no, i'm updating my gutenprint on 10.2 (just don't have the capacity to upgrade it) [18:27] but despite the different he system used is sysmtem v, right [18:27] slackie (n=x@87-196-217-192.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:27] that's unfortunate wording and probably confuses people who more than anything else [18:27] gcc 3.3.6 [18:27] and then the different runlevels are all identified by rc.#? [18:27] the boot process is sysv, that's it [18:28] uva (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.185.44) joined ##slackware. [18:28] slackware_bob, kinda; /etc/rc3.d/ is empty on my machine, eg. [18:28] brb [18:28] so, not the upstart-type linking, if you are thinking that [18:29] the runlevel rc's are not dirs if that is what you mean [18:29] mancha: ok, but rc.# are scripts that contains complete set of programs to run for that runleve, rigth? So some levels might have the same programs.... [18:30] yes, there is duplication of what is run [18:30] *some* [18:30] mancha: ok, then I understand it correctly. :) [18:30] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:31] also all the number runlevels are after the system inits correct? [18:31] yes, system wide stuff gets run by init before the runlevel stuff [18:31] mancha: cool. :) [18:32] thanks. this book is written pretty alright. easy to understand... [18:32] like mounting fs's loading modules, setting up logs [18:32] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [18:32] haven't gotten to logs part yet. :) [18:32] and any traditional sysv init scripts (placed in the right place) [18:33] you can glance at rc.S for this [18:33] slackware_bob to bad not many ppl reads it before they asks. so you get an golden star from me [18:33] rc.S lol that's one longfile. [18:33] nille: I didn't want to read it but was told to read it. So hey.... [18:34] . :) [18:34] It helps me understand how the OS is put together. [18:34] not that long, 300 or so lines, half being comments [18:34] slackware isn't the quickest to boot ;) [18:34] Action: nille grabs slackware_bob golden star before he can reach it [18:34] don't worry kubuntu is the slowesst. [18:35] nope [18:35] slackware_bob: Many are asked/told to read, but don't do it anyway, so good for you for taking the time to read. :) [18:35] Action: slackware_bob wants that star. [18:35] fedora is lightning fast [18:35] yup [18:35] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ufxsnowgdqnerrwr) joined ##slackware. [18:35] mancha: If only Fedora's updates were lightning fast. :P [18:35] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@76.109.186.164) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [18:35] my previous experience with fedora left stuff to be desired. [18:35] quick boot for a workstation is overrated [18:35] Action: nille sends it after you read the hole book and understands most of it [18:35] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.20.230) joined ##slackware. [18:35] they've improved a lot. i think fedora is very solid [18:35] esoteric: only if you dual boot a lot but hehe [18:36] deco: yeah, but in most cases you could just VM [18:36] my main issue was with gnome. On a slow machine it would just bring the comptuer down. [18:36] esoteric: yup [18:36] hello happy slackers [18:36] im not happy [18:36] mancha: yeah, indeed it is, I had installed it on my laptop, there were 425 updates, after about an hour, they 1/4 of the way done. Have they fully implemented presto on the repo's do you know? [18:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:36] slackware_bob: don't use gnome [18:37] bah, he left. :P [18:37] greetings LnxSlck [18:37] slackware_bob yeah i hate the gnomes to and why are they talking to me? [18:37] fire|bird: fail [18:37] esoteric: I don't either anymore. :) [18:37] hello fire|bird [18:37] slackware_bob: cool [18:37] slackie_ (n=x@cb-217-129-172-195.netvisao.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] esoteric: playing with fluxbox. Might just use KDE4 as is. [18:38] and like clockwork, the compile hangs at escp2.o >.<; [18:38] slackware_bob: you can get 4.3.1 too if you are interested :) [18:38] slackware_bob: fluxbox is what I use... it's great [18:38] deco: well if it improves then it would be good.... [18:38] esoteric: right. The other day I mentioned dwm on openbsd and someone just went nuts saying openbsd shouldn't use X. lol. [18:39] slackware_bob: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/ [18:39] ah, i think i have this figured out... the CFLAGS are hardcoded in the Makefile [18:39] slackware_bob: that's funny. [18:40] deco: thanks. :) [18:40] slackware_bob: np :) [18:40] esoteric: the guys said you haven't really tried openbsd if you use X. lol. [18:40] lol [18:41] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Necos. use the power of sed and the force will be strong with you. lol sed the makefile? [18:41] and funny thing is openbsd encourages it's use as a desktop OS if you desire security and aren't big on hardware based acceleration. [18:41] kuitang (n=kuitang@173-30-220-7.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:41] rather use freebsd [18:41] slackware_bob: yeah... i'd probably use freebsd over openbsd for a desktop, but openbsd would make for a pretty tight server [18:42] the slackware gods musta killed my irc connection...i was about to say fedora has improved a lot and is very very solid [18:42] you did say it [18:42] mancha: yeah, indeed it is, I had installed it on my laptop, there were 425 updates, after about an hour, they 1/4 of the way done. Have they fully implemented presto on the repo's do you know? [18:42] I found freenas when I was researching RAID server. And that was on openbsd. I thought to check it out. [18:42] oh then they kied it after they read it :) [18:42] now I use gentoo for raid server.... [18:42] mancha: waite dunno anymor elol let me check [18:42] anymore* [18:42] mancha: i'd agree with that, but it's still cluttered [18:43] mancha: you just said fedora is lightning fast [18:43] fire, no idea, but lots of updates means vulnerabilities are getting patched, i ilike that concept [18:43] :P [18:43] i enjoy tinkering and playing so i very much like slackware which is also why i don't mind doing 90% of he security updates [18:44] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [18:44] Hey, anyone know how to type accents with deadkeys in a wine program? [18:44] mancha: When I used it on my desktop, there was an unofficial presto repo to use that REALLY sped things up. [18:44] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving." [18:44] if i wanted to be hands off on security i'd want a distrib that vomitted security updates [18:44] uva_ (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:45] fire, keep in mind, fedora is a bleeding edge test outfit to feedback into redhat [18:45] mancha: such as Ubuntu? [18:45] heck ubuntu will eat disk space overtime probably.... [18:45] so bleeding edge is what bleeding edge is [18:45] uva_ (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] mancha: not necessarliy ;) -- a ton of security updates could also indicate more vulnerabilities [18:46] mancha: yeah, I used it for quite a while and it is a great distro. I'm glad there are distros like that that keep on the bleeding edge of things. [18:46] esoteric, yeah i'll recuse myself from that philosophical discussion i've grown bored of it :) [18:46] lol [18:46] mancha, ok ? [18:47] fire, the one thing which gives me a bit of awe is the % contribution to the kernel that redhat makes [18:47] so while i am not a redhat groupie by any means (i often kid them like we all do), my (red)hat's off to them for that [18:47] mancha: Yeah, definitely, largest kernel contributor the last I seen. [18:47] no small feat [18:48] they've done a lot to make linux more well-known, that's for sure [18:48] mancha: and, there's nothing wrong with keeping up with other distros. I'd have fedora in a VM, but it just doesn't like VM's for some reason, it'll never boot in a VM for me. [18:48] sounds like Arch. [18:48] It would never boot in qemu. [18:48] i've gotten both to boot in vmware :P [18:48] weird, i've not had problems with that fire, but its been a while, did you use qemu or somethig else? [18:48] slackware_bob: I have arch in a VM. :) [18:49] and used them for classes no less [18:49] fire|bird: vmware or qemu? [18:49] mancha: I tried VBox and qemu [18:49] weird.. [18:49] it installed in vmware. but not in qemu. would complete but wouldn't boot. [18:49] like i said, its been a while, i saw the boot time on a friend's box though. that's how i know it's lightning fast now [18:49] mancha: I think I could probably get it installed with the install dvd, I tried with the live cd. [18:50] mancha: yeah, they've really done alot to make it fast at boot. [18:50] you guys fail :P [18:50] mancha: I have to run a "red-hat" at work, but fedora is my "red-hat" of choice and centos my "redhat" of choice for the server [18:50] oh yeh, i "installed" fedora when i did it via vm fire, never did a live cd thing [18:50] centos is rhel, but free [18:51] uva (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Success [18:51] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [18:51] aside from fedora and rhel, what other redhat is there? :) [18:51] mancha: I don't know if this is still happening, but for a little while anyway, they had fedora-classroom sessions, various topics, to learn about fedora, gimp, you name it. I thought that was really cool. [18:51] mancha: uhuh -- "redhat" enterprise linux. [18:51] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:52] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.124.6) left irc: "Leaving" [18:52] RHEL isnt that bad of a product [18:52] oh ok, centos is quite indistinguishable from rhel, in fact their raison d'etre is to achieve 100% binary compat. so you must like the pricetag $0 :) [18:52] mancha: mancha: no kidding [18:52] or the boot logo [18:52] there is also whitebox [18:53] never tried whitebox [18:53] how's it? [18:53] it was really good before centos came along [18:53] who can tell me what's wrong with this sed line? [18:53] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [18:53] cat Makefile | sed -e s|CFLAGS = -Disfinite=finite -O6|CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i486 -mtune=i686| >Makefile [18:53] Is't compatible with RHEL3? [18:53] Uh..no thanks [18:54] straterra: yeah [18:54] Necos: use '' for the sed expression... [18:54] it doesn't like the sed delimiter? [18:54] scrote (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:54] poop >.> [18:55] higuita: \o/ [18:55] pipe (|) is a special bash character, you know! the shell is "executing" it [18:55] ' as the delim? [18:55] higuita: how many penalties did you stop today ? :P [18:55] i was using / before, and that was a disaster :) [18:55] it's also not going to like it i don't think [18:55] just 2, but of course, scorpion style! [18:56] higuita: good! \o/ [18:56] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Necos: no, ppl are saying you to use sed -e 's|CFLAGS = -Disfinite=finite -O6|CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i486 -mtune=i686| [18:56] ' [18:56] but i score 1 and miss another! [18:56] steiger_ (n=steiger@20150128117.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Well, this last ' needs to be just after the last | [18:56] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:56] Necos: or use % instead of | [18:56] it'll fail [18:57] oh durp, brainfart [18:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] god i hate ms access [18:58] lol poor guy [18:58] spider1010: dont use it then! [18:58] my work uses it so i don;t have a choice [18:58] there is no reason to use it, really! [18:58] fire, didn't know about the classes - sounds like a good thing. one knowledgebase i am also in awe of is gentoo's. i think it was horrible luck that it got nuked [18:58] yes, the quotes worked [18:58] i have to maintain our databases [18:58] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:58] it sucks [18:58] Don't hate access..hate the idiot programmer/engineers that use it for large scale projects. It wasn't meant for that [18:59] migrate that thing to a real database [18:59] manage them using ODBC :P [18:59] access itself isn't a bad product. Abuse of it is [18:59] yup [18:59] i had this doctor telling me that he "HAD" to use Access... i told him to learn ODBC so it didn't matter what the database was [18:59] mancha: why did that nuke it? it was always a great resource no matter which distro you were using [18:59] can't they only want it in access. believe me i've tried [18:59] even MS gives a SQL for free.. its limited, but if you are using access, you already have too much limits! [18:59] the only downside of access is it has a dependency which is a trojan [19:00] mancha: yeah, when I used Fedora they were offering those classes, I got in on alot of them, but missed some due to the time's they were, but it was great that they were doing that. and yes, it's quite unfortunate what happened with gentoo. [19:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:01] spider1010: did they explain WHY they want access? or just say they want, because its the only DB name they know? [19:01] fire|bird: what happened to gentoo ? [19:02] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] mancha: I wonder if they don't still do that, there's a mailing list anyway for discussing what they're going to do for the classroom, so.... [19:02] in find, where does the name of the "found" file get stored? i need to apply that "patch" to multiple makefiles [19:02] zErOaCid (i=gnu@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [19:03] in {}~ [19:03] {} even [19:03] mancha: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom [19:04] thanks fire. [19:04] time to switch gears now [19:04] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [19:04] uva (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:13] Necos: good god, no [19:13] lol [19:13] steiger (n=steiger@20150128117.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:13] twolf, kvm is the qemu package i was using is slamd64, i KNOW that slamd64 included it, but find -iname '*kvm*' gives me nothing [19:14] Necos: actually, try it. it will teach you a better lesson than i could by explaining it [19:14] edman007: there is no kvm package, but the kernel modules are available [19:14] Necos: no, but you can do find -name Makefile -exec echo "sed -e ' ' <{} >{}.new && mv {}.new {} " [19:14] hrm, ok [19:14] but even better find -name Makefile -exec sed -i -e ' ' {} [19:14] you folks need to learn about -i [19:14] yeah, i was reminding myself that there's an -i [19:15] although on earlier versions of slack [10.x, maybe even 11.x] sed -i had a nasty habit of changing owner [19:15] and i'm doing this on 10.2, hmmm [19:15] opps i forgot to execute the echo: find -name Makefile -exec echo "sed -e ' ' <{} >{}.new && mv {}.new {} " | bash [19:16] if you're doing it as root, the files will be owned as root, regardless of previous owner. [with sed -i that is] [19:16] oh, which is fine in this case [19:17] so the hyperspace comm-link protocol isn't support linux kernel? [19:17] gnubien (n=e@58.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] wtf hmmm... [19:18] find -name Makefile -exec sed -i -e 's|CFLAGS = -Disfinite=finite -O6|CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i486 -mtune=i686|' {} <--- produces "find: missing argument to `-exec'"... [19:19] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] i've always found the -exec in find to be someone retarded... usually i pipe it to xargs and it works properly [19:20] ohh... finish the line with \; [19:20] find . -exec ls -ld {} \; [19:20] oh? [19:20] find need to know where its command ends [19:21] hmmm [19:21] interesting kernel 2.8 will support the hyperspace protocol. [19:21] Necos: blame your lack of rtfm on the tool :) [19:21] well, like i said, i "make" it work with xargs :P [19:22] uva_ (n=bno@118-168-233-130.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:22] Necos: say something in romanji [19:22] such as? and why are you asking me? [19:22] my name is nacos [19:23] he's just curious... [19:23] there we go! [19:24] now it's using -O2 [19:24] hopefully this'll fix the compiling erro [19:24] *error [19:24] yep! it sure did [19:24] WATASHI WA NACOS!!!! [19:24] even i know that. [19:24] no ya dork... if you want to say it properly, it's "watashi no namae wa nacos desu" [19:25] ok ya chuj! [19:25] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] now japanese lol [19:25] and now, i've gotten past that dreaded hanging [19:25] it was the optimization flag it was using [19:27] trimmer (n=trimmer@71-213-232-173.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: "Haha, you quit!" [19:28] now i can get this teacher's printer to work with cups :) [19:28] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] i's a happy slacker now [19:29] \o/ [19:29] Necos: congrats [19:30] my find/sed fu is still weak... i will have to develop it [19:30] thanks deco :) [19:30] :) [19:31] now i just need to install... hopefully this works as advertised lol [19:32] kuitang (n=kuitang@173-30-220-7.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:32] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.198.185) left irc: Connection timed out [19:34] i have noticed that with gutenprint installed, cups responsiveness has dropped significantly (the web interface) [19:38] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] good evening everyone [19:41] hi [19:41] ge [19:41] If anyone is interested I have created an early slackbuild script for huludesktop and it seems to run quite well [19:42] hmmm i just rpm2tgz :P [19:42] YES! finally [19:42] it's updated [19:42] \o/ [19:42] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:43] deco: actaully I added the proper files to make it a complete slackbuild, the only thing that is holding me back from suibmitting it is that I want to have Lirc built because it is an optional component [19:43] damn cups web interface is getting slower... might be time to scrap it [19:43] Necos: oh cool [19:43] lirc is kinda not important to building it :P [19:44] Necos: it is a binary package, that is just needed for remote control support [19:44] greetings mfillpot, how are you? [19:44] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:45] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:45] confrey (n=dario@151.59.24.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:45] fire|bird: I am doing good, trying to be productive [19:46] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:47] hmmm.... [19:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [19:47] you mean no source package? :( [19:47] steiger (n=steiger@20150128117.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:48] how do i get this thing to do mulitple keyboard layouts now that the xorg driver is ignoring xorg.conf? [19:48] Necos: would you really think that they would actually want us to be able to know exactly how they stream the content? [19:50] if you want a clean build package for huludesktop, then just msg me your email address and I will send the package [19:51] oh wait, huludesktop is to stream for hulu (tv stuffs)? i'm sorry i wasn't really paying attention [19:52] Necos: yes [19:52] the quality is quite good [19:52] mfillpot: yeah, I have it installed here, I was surprised with the quality. [19:52] flrichar (n=toril@tor.ipv6.geexology.org) joined ##slackware. [19:53] fire|bird: how fast is your Internet connection? [19:53] mfillpot: 12Mbps [19:54] nice [19:54] hey hitest, how are you? [19:55] fire|bird: that is more than sufficient [19:55] I am well, fire|bird, ty. you? [19:55] hitest: I'm great, thanks. I'm just installing Fedora 11 in a VM atm. :) [19:55] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] cool. I've got a test box and I'm trying to overcome inertia and install arch or gentoo. [19:57] I had arch install issues with luks + lvm, but just an install without those went fine and arch is really cool. [19:57] yeah, it looks cool [19:57] hitest: they have an awesome wiki [19:58] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] pacman is interesting [19:58] as far as gentoo, an awesome gentoo-based distro is Sabayon [19:59] I've got the minimal install gentoo CD....just looking at it:) [19:59] deco: yes the wiki is excellent [19:59] well, that's what's great about VMs [19:59] yes [19:59] try out all sorts of gnarly shit without consequence [20:00] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:01] OT: where do you guys find xterm themes...? [20:01] xterm-look.org? [20:01] there's more than grey on black? [20:01] ;oD [20:01] never! [20:02] mlterm has been pissing me off.. i can't get it to be the same 80x25 as my urxvt (and i want to switch to play with i8n) [20:02] there's no xterm-look.org [20:02] hitest: I downloaded the gentoo 10 live dvd, tried it in a VM, but I kept getting No space left on device errors. :P [20:02] someone is a liar. [20:02] gentoo rocks. my server runs gentoo. [20:03] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] all my servers run various flavors of slack :) [20:03] s/flavors/versions/; [20:03] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [20:03] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-62.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] Necos: slackware has flavors? grape, orange, lime, cherry? :P [20:04] he runs the diet ones. [20:04] oreange! [20:04] haha [20:04] vcampos (n=vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) left irc: "reboot" [20:04] ok I don't see xterm-look. [20:04] I run the traditional trifecta... redhat-like, debian-like and slackware [20:04] there isn't such a site as xterm-look [20:05] my brain is in durp mode... i gotta do all this numerical analysis and i don't wanna :( [20:05] no? damn dos users. [20:05] hcfd (n=fed@host86-140-255-134.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] well don't know where to find good xterm color schemes. making ones take too long. [20:06] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.20.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:06] try PS1 [20:06] steiger_ (n=steiger@20150128117.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:07] and man [20:07] it's not like there is so much to pick from: foreground color, and a background color [20:09] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] hcfd (n=fed@host86-140-255-134.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:09] just go look up an HTML color table [20:09] rigth. sorry I was really lookng rxvt themes. [20:09] css color table [20:09] hex [20:09] http://www.pagetutor.com/common/bgcolors1536.png [20:09] look at the sky [20:10] nice color combos make irssi and such easier. making one takes a while. [20:10] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:10] it's falling [20:10] hoobop (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] irssi has its own themes. [20:10] ok, i figured it out [20:10] what's the purpose odf xterm themes if you're blind/ [20:10] maybe I could get irssi themes.... [20:11] you know the site, [20:11] afk. [20:11] lol [20:11] <<<< [20:11] i once had a color blind person ask for help on choosing colors for his site [20:12] lol but that's fine deco [20:12] he can't see it, but his customers can [20:12] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] Necos: yup good thing he wasn't a web designer just a developer [20:13] it's color-challenged you insensitive crowd! [20:13] ..... [20:13] j/k [20:13] ..... [20:13] i had a teacher in high school that was blue-green colorblind... yes, me and my classmates always asked him if the book was blue or green :) [20:14] that's just so clever [20:14] Necos: ever tried writting your homework in green ? [20:15] I tried doing it with a white pen once [20:15] or was that rainbow [20:15] back in middle school. [20:17] i remember doing my homework in lemon juice [20:17] deco, oh yes, we did it as a class (some in green, some in blue) [20:17] just to fuck with him [20:17] lol [20:17] molinero (n=molinero@189.162.114.25) joined ##slackware. [20:17] molinero (n=molinero@189.162.114.25) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [20:18] uhmm, that's just so clever, it fails to accomplish anything [20:18] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: "senate/irc:0.1b -- by cyberpunk.." [20:18] yep, but it was fun as a teenager :) [20:19] Necos: indeed :) [20:19] ananke, it actually did accomplish something [20:19] fire|bird: just stepped out to get my kid. back. I'm starting an install of arch in a VM. don't want to screw with a perfectly good slack box:) [20:19] hitest: awesome. :) [20:19] the instructor smelled a hint of lemon on it and heated it [20:19] ntRednek: That is amazing [20:19] heated it? [20:20] nyRednek: i'm talking about Necos' comment about writing in blue and green, not yours [20:20] fire|bird; yeah:) should be fun. [20:20] fatalnix1995: yeah, heating dry lemon juice on paper will reveal its trace [20:20] ananke, ah... [20:20] it all looked the same to him, but yeah, it was fun to see if he could tell the difference in any respect [20:22] what do you mean, it makes it show? [20:23] fatalnix1995, yeah, it makes a faint visible impression upon heating [20:23] ic. [20:23] What I like to do is what startropics did [20:24] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] turned a writing assignment in once that was one calligraphed line that looked like a drawing until you used a magnifying glass [20:25] you take two pieces of paper, you soak the one on bottom and put it against something like a mirror or something, just for a nice solid surface with little impurities, and then you put the dry paper on it and write something. you put the wet paper in a place it will dry without wrinkling, and trhen when you wet it again later it reveals all of the words clearly. [20:25] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.174.76.241) joined ##slackware. [20:25] lol [20:25] friggin, startropics had a small note attached to a random letter, if you dipped it in water, it revealed the password to get by a part of the game. [20:26] back then, we didnt have gamefaqs... [20:26] this was for the NES [20:26] lol oldschol [20:26] *oldschool [20:26] how did people know to look at the note? [20:27] there werent any hints in the game about it [20:27] except that at the beginning of the game you get a note [20:27] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.174.76.241) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [20:27] from your uncle or so [20:27] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:28] and it made you read it ingame, or something, so it was like, a short explanation of this long letter attached by staple to the game manual. It just boggles me how my father beat the game and knew all of this crap. [20:28] fatalnix1995, the problem with that method, only works when a precise amount of water is sprayed onto the paper(dipping destroys the message) [20:28] you sure? I always drenched it [20:28] and it worked fine. [20:28] I made a few in middle school [20:29] fatalnix1995, it never worked for me [20:29] but, the paper out of my fathers printer was always the really bright white expensive stuff. [20:29] you cant even see the particles or whatever they are [20:29] fatalnix1995, but 2d ciphers and other means of concealment always worked well [20:29] heh [20:30] one friend's dad had us give him a coded message to his new car in a 'unique' way [20:31] I see. [20:31] he was graduating, and getting a new car for graduation [20:31] Oh man, my mother broke her key so my dad built and installed a keypad to start the car, this was years ago [20:31] just reminded me [20:32] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [20:32] she broke the keyhole not the key.. [20:32] we scratched the coded message into the hood of his old one, then cut the fuel and brake lines for good measure [20:32] lol [20:32] >.> [20:32] lol [20:33] and made the scratched message look roughly arabic [20:33] which really pissed him off [20:33] Anybody uses git in here? [20:33] who doesn't [20:34] A lot of people don't, but what history visualizer do you use? [20:34] For some reason Slack's git doesn't come with gitk [20:34] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] just use the web-git thingy... most projects haveo ne [20:34] *have one [20:34] alkos333: it does [20:35] alkos333: just ran it right now [20:35] alkos333: what version of slackware are you using ? [20:35] Tnavi (n=navi@200.76.196.182) joined ##slackware. [20:35] ..... [20:36] fail [20:36] lol [20:36] deco: 13.0 [20:36] deco: which shows that it resides in /usr/bin/gitk [20:36] alkos333: me too, cli , type gtk [20:36] gitk* [20:36] I'm in a git repo as a current dir. [20:36] /usr/bin/gitk: line 3: exec: wish: not found [20:37] you don't just use git-clone? >.> [20:37] dunno i just type gitk and it appears... [20:37] Necos: What does cloning have to do with this? [20:38] I'm missing some dep possibly. Let me try googling this [20:38] alkos333: did you install the whole dvd ? [20:38] alkos333, did you install the tcl series? [20:38] just ldd `which gitk` [20:38] wish == tk's shell [20:38] i'm asking what's the big hoopla about gitk [20:39] deco: No, I didn't do a full install. I have my set of tag files and I've updated adding most of the new packages [20:39] alkos333: install the whole dvd just to avoid any problems [20:39] that's what i do... [20:39] alkos333, you need to install the tcl series...it's missing the tk package [20:40] nyRednek: I just installed the tk package and it seems to work. [20:40] Thanks a lot! [20:40] \o/ [20:40] Action: Necos prods deco "you're not supposed to help" [20:40] :P [20:41] deco: nyRednek Thank you guys! [20:41] Necos: yeah felt weird :P [20:41] what is wrong with television in america? i have 400 channels of? cable is wrong [20:41] alkos333, not a problem [20:41] alkos333: np :) [20:41] nyRednek: By the way, ldd $(which gitk) returned something like no dynamic executables or something [20:41] vastina: i don't watch tv anymore... nuff said [20:42] only for movies etc.. [20:42] i only watch a couple of shows on tv :P [20:42] deco: probably wise [20:42] so adduser is not present in the system. But the doc talks about it. [20:42] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:42] deco: same here [20:42] deco: Saves a lot of time. [20:42] :) [20:42] not that tv back home was any better [20:42] alkos333: yup [20:42] alkos333, not sure, when it calls for wish, that generally means it's a tk script [20:42] vastina: where was back at home ? [20:42] england [20:42] nyRednek: Sure thing, I was just wondering as to what you got when you ran ldd /usr/bin/gitk [20:42] vastina: ok, i like the IT crowd [20:43] ah, i guess gitk is just a script of sorts [20:43] alkos333, i didn't run it...just recognized the call [20:43] nyRednek: Got ya. [20:43] deco: "IT crowd" the show? [20:43] heh, surely enough, it is a tcl script [20:43] Necos: yeah :P [20:43] haha likewise, just blurted an unwelcome comment when i turned the box on and wished i hadn't, reality tv is really horrid [20:43] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-162-151.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:44] neonflux: welcome to the show [20:44] Necos, yeah, wish is the tk(gui for tcl) shell [20:44] Necos, which means it needs both to work properly [20:44] it seemed really lame at first but then i got hooked on it :P [20:44] i've never used it, so... [20:44] Necos, i used to write call homes in tk [20:45] damn [20:45] someone would have a problem with their pc, and hit a panic button that emailed and sms'ed me [20:45] my first run in with tcl was epic i think, or bitchx [20:45] Action: vastina is too cli for tcl/tk [20:45] :) [20:45] well, mIRC script was simmilar to tcl too [20:46] and when i learned perl, i had to learn tk [20:46] kick/ban scripts on msn ircx anyone? [20:46] i thought mirc used an embedded perl scriptiong language? [20:47] the old ones didnt [20:47] Action: hitest smiles.....downloading arch core files on vm ftp install [20:47] hitest: doing the same here [20:47] :) [20:48] this will take forever....my Internet connection blows [20:48] lol [20:48] hmmm [20:48] :0 [20:48] lol [20:48] lol [20:48] not-lol [20:48] gitk doesn't seem nearly as nice as using the git-web browser (but that's just my opinion) [20:49] hitest: Fedora's still installing in the VM here. :P [20:49] grg (n=grg@150.101.58.177) joined ##slackware. [20:49] fire|bird; I'll be curious to hear what 11 is like [20:49] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-162-151.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] hitest: I had it on my laptop for about a day. :P Aside from the updates being slow, it was great. :P [20:50] sounds interesting [20:51] hitest: hence why I'm tossing it in a VM, to check some things with yum and getting it faster and see if they've got presto-enabled repos now yet or not. [20:52] sysctl fs.file-max shows 101091 on my slack 12.2 system. I know that the linux kernel's default is 8092. I've grepped for 101091 in /etc but can't find it. Anyone know where this is being set? [20:53] fire|bird: yeah that's why I also like the vm. if it gets borked who cares? [20:53] :) [20:54] the last time I tried fedora was 10 I think [20:54] hitest: yeah, exactly. It was blazing fast on the laptop, but the update speed (download & install) was aweful. [20:54] It was slower than I remember it being when I last used it, but then the last time, I had it configured for fastestmirror, presto, etc. which makes a HUGE difference [20:55] just get an iso from i forget the name it's a project that makes up to date isos [20:57] yeah, fedora unity [20:57] yeah [20:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [20:59] niels_horn (n=niels@189.106.89.249) joined ##slackware. [20:59] "deco" I would if they had any for 11, but they don't, that I see. :P [20:59] the only thing i don't like about them is that they make installing the nvidia propriety drivers hard [21:00] I've never had issues with that, enable RPMFusion repo and install. [21:00] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.178) joined ##slackware. [21:00] hmmm i had [21:00] old nvidia card [21:01] maybe easier for the newer ones [21:01] on 11 [21:02] 10 was just like you said [21:02] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:22] packeteer: hm perhaps it needs pointing to the php headers in /usr/include/ [21:29] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:32] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "leaving" [21:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:34] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:36] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.185.44) left irc: "Leaving" [21:39] ok, seems to work when i compile by hand (not using pecl) [21:40] stygian (i=1000@ppp-70-254-194-186.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:41] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:47] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:51] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:52] urbank (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:53] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:54] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:54] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxj2ilsUI6w&feature=related [21:55] lol [21:57] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:57] nothing like a constructive piece of art [21:58] Cindy^_ (i=takisah@41.236.14.107) joined ##slackware. [22:01] quit [22:01] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [22:03] .... [22:04] ..... [22:04] ..... [22:04] fail [22:04] ..... [22:05] edman007: who are you [22:06] I am the Walrus [22:06] coo coo cachoo? [22:06] expert textpert choking smoker [22:06] then i am the eggman [22:07] lol, got this invite while i was away at work. this makes me laugh.. http://imagebin.org/67580 [22:07] whiten0ise (n=someone@24.179.91.224) joined ##slackware. [22:08] agentc0re, HACKER!!!! [22:08] y0 agentc0re, how's it going? Pretty much everyone here got that. [22:08] so? [22:08] Action: edman007 reports agentc0re [22:08] what's wrong with hackers? [22:08] but in pidgin ? [22:08] agentc0re: I got one of those a few hours ago [22:08] agentc0re: how did he get your account ? [22:08] info [22:08] Action: edman007 does not get popups for those and thus is never notified of such things... [22:08] or you use irc in pidgin ? [22:08] deco: it was a DCC [22:08] NaCl: oh [22:08] same guy ? [22:09] fatalnix1995: pozican is the only hacker. [22:09] lol, thats funny. [22:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:11] pidgin's irc is severely crippled [22:12] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] Action: edman007 agrees [22:15] get a real irc client and use empathy or something thats not full of holes. [22:15] .... [22:17] Show me the holes please. [22:17] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:17] O [22:17] no links then GTFO. [22:18] lol [22:18] non-dedicated IRC clients universally suck. Pidgin is no exception. [22:18] +1 [22:18] http://goatse.cx/ [22:18] contain your elitism please, and just simply google "pidgin exploits" and look at all the links, also, one was released for just the last version, it's still up on milw0rm. [22:18] pidgin is shoddy. [22:19] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-241-138.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [22:19] whiten0ise: i'm sorry that you are confusing my "elitism" with wanting to know facts. but if you are going to say something like that about it, prove it. [22:19] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.185.44) joined ##slackware. [22:19] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) got netsplit. [22:19] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) got netsplit. [22:19] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) got netsplit. [22:19] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. [22:19] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [22:19] the devs work hard on it and you have to respect their work, but they need a couple of overhauls on a few areas. [22:19] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) returned to ##slackware. [22:20] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) returned to ##slackware. [22:20] what? [22:20] well, it was simply the "no links then GTFO" that just makes you sound like some kind of e-tough guy. [22:20] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [22:20] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [22:20] wtf are you talking about whiten0ise [22:20] whiten0ise: Or is it you with your leet comment of my irc is better than yours? "(08:13:21 PM) whiten0ise: get a real irc client and use empathy or something thats not full of holes." [22:21] oh my , a fight :O [22:21] nah, any dedicated irc client is better than something like pidgin's [22:21] as LSD said [22:21] Action: ViN86 takes his shirt off [22:21] whiten0ise, then you are missing the point of having something like pidgin [22:21] wait, im not fighting [22:21] Action: ViN86 puts shirt back on [22:21] i'm using mIRC on this box, on another I use bitchx, and on my slack box i use irssi [22:21] again with your opinion. i have my opinion about other irc clients but it's just that. An opinion. So please, pull up some bug reports or something of the such and educate me. [22:21] no i'm not missing it, i understand that you want the all-in-one and it's not dedicated to anything. [22:22] but thats how you end up with it's problems as well. [22:22] i <3 xchat [22:22] no, because pidgin's irc client works just fine [22:22] empathy is better constructed for messaging, though less user-friendly. [22:22] BX also has hols [22:22] *holes [22:22] ViN86: ew ;P [22:22] yes it does, as does irssi. [22:22] godling: lol i know [22:22] Wasn't bitchX dropped from 13.0, or was that another client? [22:22] agentc0re: correct [22:22] yeah [22:22] it was bitchx [22:22] 13.0 uses irssi i think [22:22] or xchat [22:22] Action: ViN86 takes his shirt off again for fun [22:22] ahhh [22:22] well at least my client wasn't dropped. :P [22:23] Action: godling wonders what he walked into. [22:23] Action: ViN86 throws a salmon at godling [22:23] Action: NaCl leaves before he gets caught up in this [22:23] bitchx is old, it's not longer supported. [22:23] no* [22:23] Action: godling covers up ViN86 [22:23] godling: nothing worth knowing really. :P [22:23] the machine i use that in is a server in canada, i have no control over what irc client its using [22:23] godling: just idiots telling me how many "holes" are in pidgin with no proof but just their "opinion". [22:23] so, any holes in bitchx will not be fixed :P [22:23] Action: agentc0re is talking to whiten0ise and LSD` [22:23] i gave you plenty of proof...and LSD didn't say anything about holes... [22:23] Action: ViN86 also throws some fresh halibut at godling [22:24] anyway, i'm out... don't feed the troll agentc0re :) [22:24] whiten0ise: wow, still no links. just your opinion. kthxbai [22:24] laters folks [22:24] Necos: correct. bitchx holes will not be fixed [22:24] today I made a really ugly BST on paper because my instructor gave me a list of numbers but she did not specify in which order to add them to the tree. [22:24] adios Necos. [22:24] see ya [22:24] bai Necos [22:24] unless you personally patch them [22:24] rhys (n=rhys@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] agentc0re: i gave you links dumbass you just didn't go to them. or do you want me to actually type out the urls [22:24] whiten0ise: please see http://timecube.com [22:24] i can paste the 100s of links [22:25] chopp (n=chopp@d204-191-88-5.abhsia.telus.net) got lost in the net-split. [22:25] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) got lost in the net-split. [22:25] so the root had a left subtree with a few right and left children, then a right subtree that had nothing but righ children. it was awesome. [22:25] *right [22:25] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:25] in any case, you're not obeying the don't feed the trolls rule, and at the same time looking increasingly militantly ignorant. [22:25] lol [22:25] nothing like a penis fight over a fucking irc client. Pathetic. [22:25] i saw a cat [22:25] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] riddlebox (n=james@75.132.225.75) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:25] lol [22:25] but then i woke up [22:25] danc3: pidgin is not an irc client per se [22:25] you can use two adverbs in a row [22:25] ? [22:25] yes [22:25] danc3: but she said it was bigger!! /footstomp [22:26] whiten0ise: I agree, FWIW [22:26] adverbs are meant to be put into long strings, they get lonely [22:26] I see your cat and raise you some bunnies [22:26] http://images.google.com/images?q=bunny+pancake [22:26] increasingly militantly sadly oppressively lonely [22:26] ViN86: now you're speaking my language [22:26] Action: ViN86 's head explodes into skittles [22:27] godling: thanks [22:27] deco: I've never seen the image search report so many of the same photo. [22:27] godling: im reporting that bunny to PETA [22:27] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [22:27] godling: i didn't see either [22:27] whiten0ise: So i must be blind, i looked back in my log since we started talking about thise and didn't see a single link. If you are referring to your "google" link of "pidgin exploits" then no thanks but thanks. [22:27] you guys are so funny lol [22:28] fighting over an irc client [22:28] :) [22:28] nerdrage! [22:28] hehe [22:28] lol [22:28] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:28] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [22:28] deco: eye-R-see R srius bizniss! [22:28] i mean cats i could understand [22:28] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28] like if you like a white cat more then a black cat [22:28] i prefer calico [22:28] persian cats are fluffy [22:28] oh no you didnt [22:28] deco: i'm not fighting dude. i'm not even upset. i just want him to show me where he read what he believes. i don't know why this is being treated as if i am "ignorant". [22:28] I like barbecued. [22:28] i like a white deco [22:28] godling: lolz [22:29] Action: godling stabs ViN86 [22:29] winter: thank you :) [22:29] Action: ViN86 buckles [22:29] troll is tastier bbq'd than cat is [22:29] i cat that has no color... [22:29] how would it look like [22:29] clear cat? [22:29] if you want to know something dumb, it's paying $60 to be tazered, that's what i'm doing this month hopefully. [22:29] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.178) left irc: "Leaving" [22:29] hitest: but it's hard to imagin [22:29] I'm sure nobody cares whiten0ise. [22:29] i care. [22:29] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [22:29] i saw a kitty on the highway today [22:29] and my friends care. [22:30] deco: true [22:30] he was flat [22:30] ViN86: cute ? [22:30] Who said you're anybody? [22:30] my girlfriend tried to convince me not to do it. [22:30] deco: dead [22:30] but i was like [22:30] ViN86: :O [22:30] ezr (n=jpb@97-80-124-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] "no, i must be tazed, bro." [22:30] not that my girlfriend is a guy. [22:30] :O [22:30] yea he was pretty much unrecognizable except for the little paws :( [22:30] The girlfriend is a lie. [22:30] i was just following the viral video quoting of "don't taze me bro" [22:30] ViN86: aww :( [22:30] that is what he said [22:30] deco: i know, it ruined my afternoon [22:30] whiten0ise: If you have to explain the joke, your sense of humor sucks. [22:30] i was just explaining it for good measure. [22:30] or at least the 5 min til i got to McDonald's [22:31] ViN86: yeah :/ especially if you were gonna eat right after [22:31] my sense of humor rocks [22:31] deco: lol i was... [22:31] I am sure that's what your mother told you. [22:31] it isn't. [22:31] i have a very dry sense of humor [22:31] she prefers wetter ones. [22:31] ViN86: lol [22:31] relativity [22:31] whiten0ise: paying to get tazered sounds a bit retarded to me...I'm just sayin [22:31] thanks for the setup whiten0ise, but i respectfully decline to comment about how your mother likes wet things.... [22:32] try yours somewhere else [22:32] hitest: i am getting certified to carry a 950,000V air tazer, i have to take a course to get licensed. [22:32] and part of the course is to be tazered [22:32] ah [22:32] Can everyone stop with the verbal diarrhea? [22:32] sysctl fs.file-max shows 101091 on my slack 12.2 system. I know that the linux kernel's default is 8092. I've grepped for 101091 in /etc but can't find it. Anyone know where this is being set? [22:32] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:33] whiten0ise: are there real risks in this? [22:33] heart attack? [22:33] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:34] grg: grep for file-max instead [22:34] i love cat but do they love me back ? [22:34] cats* [22:34] hitest: no, no risk. they taze your legs, for one thing. and its a 50,000 volt shock for 5 seconds. not enough time to kill you. if they just left it on it might. [22:34] Action: hitest is an older gentleman [22:34] but ampage is also what kills you, not voltage. [22:34] google fight: http://tinyurl.com/yfw6wc6 :P [22:34] godling, no results for that either [22:35] .... [22:35] i want to get tazed [22:35] agentc0re: haha, nice. [22:35] archiebenedict: once i'm certified i'll come shoot with my air tazer. [22:35] sweet [22:35] /etc/init.d/tazed [22:35] heh [22:35] fire|bird: :D [22:36] hitest: This Fedora vm install isn't even half done. :P How's arch going? [22:36] agentc0re: that fight simply shows that i'm more original than you [22:37] whiten0ise: everything in google that lists that name is me and no one else. [22:37] grg /sbin/initscript [22:37] then it also shows i am more hidden from public eye. [22:37] because i have plenty of work out [22:37] fire|bird: still chugging away. finshed commenting all of my system files, just finshing up the install then the GRUB loader next [22:37] but it's all stashed in a warehouse downtown on private servers. [22:38] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [22:38] godling, does not exist on my system. and /sbin/initscript.sample does not set it either [22:38] hitest: nice. I found out that Fedora 11 does have presto enabled repos, I wished I'd have known that when I had it installed on the laptop. :P [22:38] :) [22:38] if a cat stands on two legs , is it still a cat ? [22:38] fire|bird: have you tried opensuse? [22:39] yup [22:39] i usually enjoy it for a server more than fedora, but if you have tried it then it is apparent you do not share the view. [22:39] Action: agentc0re hands whiten0ise a new tinfoil suit [22:39] fire|bird: I had one or two odd errors during the vm install. hopefully it'll boot-up:P [22:39] although for hacking i hate suse to no end. [22:40] whiten0ise: why ? [22:40] you try to tweak stuff and it's like "i do not accept low-level alterations." [22:40] hitest: haha, hopefully it goes alright. Good luck. :) [22:40] ty [22:40] winter: yeah [22:40] lol [22:40] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) joined ##slackware. [22:40] it's got kind of a high-level thing over it [22:40] i ment whiten0ise * [22:40] it just borks if you start messing with stuff [22:40] winter: sorry wrong nick [22:40] hey guys - if I have a binary that needs to link to libpam, what do I do? can I fake this somehow on slack? [22:41] not really [22:41] damn - can I install pam? [22:41] are you asking if one can in general, or if you can personally? :) [22:41] Action: troy realizes that pat doesn't like pam [22:42] thrice`: well, is there a known way for doing it on slack, or do I have to be a trailblazer :P [22:42] You can install PAM in slackware just fine.. its gettin gthe apps to work with it that'll be the "real" work [22:43] waluyo (n=lrenyah@222.124.207.250) joined ##slackware. [22:43] Dominian: not sure it really needs to work - just needs to have something to link to. I downloaded nasa's ISIS3 software, which they use for image processing, and I'd rather not have to recompile that thing - it's huge [22:44] Action: troy goes off to slackbuilds.org [22:44] i just put in a gentoo cd [22:44] i wipe my harddrive daily [22:44] poor harddrive. [22:44] why are you stil here? :( [22:44] why would i not be, is the question [22:45] ahh.. the "troll" I heard about [22:45] awww yeah, apc cache is rockin [22:45] are you even a slackware user? [22:45] no ops? [22:45] yes i am, slackware is installed on my machine [22:45] and i use it. [22:45] Hit Rate 46.96 cache requests/second [22:45] packeteer: cache on? [22:46] grg: if you create /etc/sysctl.conf and set the variable in it, you can make it whatever you'd like [22:46] apc = php caching [22:46] packeteer: right.. [22:46] running a heavy site on a linode 360 [22:46] godling, yes i know. But my curiosity has been poked. [22:46] packeteer: ahhh [22:47] packeteer: I just cache mysql.. seems to have helped me hehe [22:47] grg: have you asked Google? [22:47] godling, it should be set to the default value, unless its been changed somewhere. And this system is pretty stock. I have asked google. [22:47] packeteer: then again its not getting hit that hard [22:47] packeteer: Linode 360 I have is my mail server [22:47] need every ounce of performance i can get... apache was chewing ram before [22:47] spook: FYI, the DNS update is complete.. that site should be working now [22:47] packeteer: Hrm.. got a link to some documentation? [22:48] or maybe an example? I might be able to put that to use [22:48] combine it with SQL caching.. might speed things way up [22:48] Dominian: http://www.php.net/apc/ <- crap docs [22:49] i did find a good doc via google that was slackware related [22:50] think i've closed the page tho [22:50] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:50] packeteer: doh [22:50] Dominian: http://www.razvan.ws/linux-slackware-apache2-php-fastcgi/ <- thats it [22:51] packeteer: I may have to email the author and port that to my wiki [22:51] with a link back to th eorigianl site of course [22:51] i'm not using fastcgi atm, think it'll break to much [22:51] aye [22:51] but apc has really helped [22:52] not intrusive and very easy to config [22:52] packeteer: seems simple enough [22:52] packeteer: how'd you get the "Hit Rate" counts? [22:52] are there any types of porn filers for slackware? [22:53] there's an included php file, throw it in your root and browse to it [22:53] (and don't forget about security) [22:53] seventeen: proxy [22:53] packeteer: hehe never. [22:53] and iptables [22:54] ? [22:54] ! [22:54] anyone know how to get rid of a heavy tan ? [22:55] seventeen]: use a proxy server such as squid with something like dans guardian [22:55] stay indoors? [22:55] lolz deco, stay indoors [22:55] ok [22:55] you can go out at night [22:55] deco: muriatic acid [22:55] Action: deco is trying to be gothic [22:55] packeteer: gonna test it on slackadelic where noobfarm et al is hosted [22:55] mmk [22:55] packeteer: already have mysql caching going on [22:56] yes and take vitamin d [22:56] Dominian: using memcached? [22:56] winter: k thanks [22:56] packeteer: I don't recall actually... [22:56] packeteer: I know I had to turn some crap on in my.cnf [22:56] Dominian: mysql is using very few resources, i basically just used the my-medium.cnf [22:56] grg: how much ram do you have? [22:56] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:57] packeteer: aye.. however, it stil worked [22:57] grg: read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt and search for file-max [22:57] 25.2 MiB + 856.0 KiB = 26.0 MiB mysqld 36.7 MiB + 19.3 MiB = 56.0 MiB httpd (6) [22:57] grg: it says the kernel sets it to 10% of your max RAM in KB [22:57] got this great little python script that list process and ram usage [22:58] grg: I hope this answers your question. [22:58] godling, absolutely! cheers! [22:58] Dominian: google for ps_mem.py [22:59] grg: if something is not set in any configuration file then check the kernel documentation, it is likely set dynamically [22:59] :) [22:59] packeteer: nice [22:59] Action: Dominian adds that to his arsenal [23:00] apache-top is another, but it requires extended-status [23:00] which is a bit heavy [23:00] aye [23:01] eelriver (n=eelriver@24.130.112.52) joined ##slackware. [23:01] I need to recompile my kernel to enable CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING so I can use iotop [23:01] tho it is better than apachetop [23:01] godling, i looked in /usr/src/include/linux/fs.h and saw #define NR_FILE 8192 ... thus ended my search in the kernel [23:01] packeteer: damn I just initilized apc.. [23:01] packeteer: already getting hits [23:02] nice [23:02] This is awesome [23:03] can I see disk write statistics without enabling CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING in the kernel? [23:04] something was seriously writing to my disk earlier (probably pdflush but I want to know for sure). [23:04] Nick change: Tnavi -> NAavi [23:06] well, made myself a pam slackbuild - we'll see how this goes :) [23:06] troy: good luck :) [23:06] so long, it's been good to know you [23:06] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:06] don't forget to grab some coins for the ferryman [23:06] put them on your eyes [23:07] just like the ancients [23:07] so you can't see the mess you made of your slackware installation [23:07] ;P [23:07] lol [23:09] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) joined ##slackware. [23:10] \o/ [23:10] Action: hitest is updating his new arch system with pacman in a vm [23:11] and you'll update it again tomorrow [23:11] and the day after that [23:11] thanks for the update [23:11] lol [23:11] arch is good, but it breaks too often for my liking [23:11] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@71.203.84.103) joined ##slackware. [23:11] thrice`: you're welcome [23:12] packeteer: yeah, I know [23:13] Anyone read this: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/NVIDIA-Suspends-Chipset-Development [23:13] I was using Arch for a bit then I migrated back to Slackware. [23:14] godling: the updates are a horror [23:15] mingdao: chipset development has been "on hold" at nVidia for 3 years, lol [23:15] fire|bird: http://pastebin.com/d3df2b837 [23:15] deco: I just hated how packages would arbitrarily be changed (wodim instead of cdrkit, stuff like that) [23:15] fire|bird: The kinds of things that make you go, Hrm... did what happen earlier seriously happen? [23:15] deco: wodim is a pos [23:16] agentc0re: yeah then they would move them around [23:16] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.132.83.142) left irc: "leaving" [23:16] agentc0re: they recently did that with vim [23:16] godling: * [23:16] hey - how do you add a path to the library search path permanently? (I need /usr/local/lib64 added) [23:16] agentc0re: sorry wrong nick [23:17] /etc/ld.so.conf is where I want to edit, but I can't recall if that's correct [23:18] mingdao: the last "major" chipset effort from nVidia was the 600-series, everything since then has been variations on those. Even before that though, chipset development at nV has been sliding downhill since nForce2. [23:19] aah, poor whiten0ise :) [23:19] fire|bird, can one install fedora to jfs yet? [23:20] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [23:21] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.185.44) left irc: Client Quit [23:21] thrice`: I'm not sure. I want to say yes, but I can't recall for sure. [23:21] IrquiM (n=irquim@80.202.41.176) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:21] just upgraded KDE4 4.3.1 to 4.3.2 and the kernel in an Arch VM and it broke...DOH [23:21] what is poor me? [23:21] agentc0re: hahahahahaha [23:22] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [23:23] neonflux: not there yet. my internet connection is slow, still updating my entire system [23:23] oh sweet [23:23] dstat is tits [23:24] hitest: updating from a base install is ok...but doing a complete system upgrade to a newer one isn't so easy [23:24] yeah [23:25] I'm glad this is in a vm [23:25] somehow the startup process said that my filesystem was mounted sometime in the future and so I had to force it to mount [23:25] yeah, I'm glad it is in a VM as well [23:25] thrice`, fire|bird :D.. it's amazing some of the things you find sometimes. [23:25] hehe [23:25] agentc0re: indeed. :) [23:25] damn, have to build kerberos5 too [23:25] wouldn't want it to tough my hard drive...too much much breakage [23:25] neonflux:mis-confugured your time set-up? [23:26] configured [23:26] hitest: I didn't even touch it on the upgrade [23:26] hitest: but somehow it was changed by the upgrade [23:27] oh, that link [23:27] is agentc0re still trying to save face [23:27] oh, well a couple forced mounts, a new time correction, and then a couple more forced mounts then I was up and running :) [23:27] well, that's when i was an ubuntu dev, and i had to go along with their production direction. [23:27] it does not reflect my personal feelings towards anything. [23:27] it merely shows that agentc0re is desperate for satisfaction after looking like an idiot. [23:29] whiten0ise: let it go [23:29] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] i did like an hour ago, i'm not the one searching pastebin for old logs. [23:29] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] idiot is a very serious social role. [23:29] a ubuntu dev! it gets better [23:29] winter: indeed. it's intellectual profiling. [23:29] if you let it go why are you still on about it? stfu already [23:29] i'm all about profiling people [23:30] and by profiling people, i mean drawing the outlines of their faces. [23:31] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:32] thrice`: going by distrowatch, jfs isn't supported anymore, even with passing an option to the installer, but I thought I had seen it in the partitioner as an option, so I'm going to check. [23:32] fire|bird, I know it's related to selinux not supporting it [23:33] mudsplatter (n=mudsplat@unaffiliated/mudsplatter) joined ##slackware. [23:34] ist slackware gone? [23:34] huh? [23:34] slackware got deleted, dude [23:34] fire|bird, ps, how does one pass an option to the installer, if the installer is double clicking on an "install me" icon? ;) [23:34] dint deb take every thing over [23:34] troll! [23:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:35] Action: deco takes out his sword [23:35] Action: deco stabs mudsplatter [23:35] .... [23:35] deco, is white [23:35] sinura (n=sulton@203.201.172.171) joined ##slackware. [23:35] small sword [23:35] deco is roleplaying [23:35] fag [23:35] Slackware wird nie weg sein? [23:35] ... [23:35] deco: better be a firebrand, or he'll just recover :) [23:35] i put on my wizard hat [23:35] and robe [23:35] Action: deco casts spell on mudsplatter [23:35] winter: zie dich aus und komm in Der Whirlpool [23:35] winter: ich liebe der kassekuchen [23:35] stop talking nazi [23:35] ...... [23:35] whiten0ise: guten tag [23:36] ill tell hitler on u [23:36] bonjour mudsplatter, comment allez-vous? [23:36] mudsplatter: stfu and gtfo [23:36] mudsplatter: i speak like 5 different languages [23:36] french... [23:36] i speak 3 [23:36] im dumb [23:36] compared to u [23:36] most people are. [23:36] wait [23:36] i use slackware, which means everyone is beneath me [23:36] is it all euro [23:36] lang? [23:36] cash box cake [23:36] no [23:36] i love that too [23:36] can u speak any thing asian [23:37] i also speak brazilian portuguese, which is a south american dialect of a european language. [23:37] i can speak a little japanese. [23:37] weeaboo [23:37] esoteric (n=esoteric@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware (""be back later""). [23:37] anata wa baka, desu ka? [23:37] so can i [23:37] toyota [23:37] mitsubishi [23:37] nissan [23:37] datsun [23:37] Action: troy wonders how weird this channel just got [23:37] lol [23:37] honda [23:37] acura [23:37] Action: winter is retarding off winter: what is retarding off [23:38] winter: what's new? [23:38] so [23:38] ya [23:38] why slackware [23:38] im scared of change [23:38] mudsplatter: Dude, it's all because of http://timecube.com [23:38] then don't change [23:38] mudsplatter: Would you please try hitting the enter key less? [23:38] no [23:38] u [23:39] you cannot dictate his typing habits, have some manners [23:39] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) left irc: "Leaving" [23:39] what makes slackware better then deb? [23:39] your elitism does not stretch to such demands. [23:39] It's not elitism, it's for the sake of my channel logs whiten0ise [23:39] mudsplatter: show us how well you can count on each line then. [23:39] ? [23:39] It's just a matter of respecting other people, which you two clearly don't. [23:39] i respect other people [23:39] why respect [23:39] i dont [23:39] i hate alot of people [23:39] this is infantile [23:40] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [23:40] thrice`: The option would be before the actually live cd, or install dvd started, linux selinux=0 jfs [23:40] infantile he says, yet his quit message has the word "poop" in it [23:40] ya [23:40] fire|bird, is a horriable car [23:40] pontiac is out of bussiness [23:40] killed [23:40] fire|bird, ah, ok. maybe I'll give it a whirl :) [23:40] mudsplatter: your point? [23:40] mudsplatter: the pontiac skyy is pretty badass. [23:41] wtf [23:41] no [23:41] the red line saturn [23:41] was better [23:41] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] no, whats good is [23:41] hot wings. [23:41] no [23:41] oh [23:41] steak [23:41] i must be mistaken [23:41] u peta [23:41] what about steak with an appetizer of hot wings? [23:41] thrice`: I've had the dvd installer in a VM going for a while now. :P I'm contemplating if I should put it on the laptop again to mess with, especially now that I know 11 repos support presto. [23:42] do u have packages? [23:42] and a package manager? [23:42] why do i get the feeling that those two are the same "person", and "they're" just feeding off each other? [23:42] i have A package, and a package manager, indeed. [23:42] not u whiten0ise [23:42] agentc0re: because you're stupid, as we've already establishd. [23:42] im talking about slackware [23:42] i srs dont know any thing [23:42] about slack ware [23:42] agentc0re: i warned everyone :( [23:43] other then back track 3 used it [23:43] deco: hah ha ha. [23:43] i dont know linux thatwel [23:43] later folks [23:43] if i could get educated [23:43] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [23:43] on slack ware [23:43] backtrack3 is the best linux. [23:43] because linux is only for hacking WEP [23:43] i could not install it [23:44] i use ubuntu [23:44] whiten0ise: you're a hacker. [23:44] mudsplatter: You are incapable of running Slackware. Stick with idiot-untu. [23:44] a pidgin hacker [23:44] winter: i am? oh. [23:44] mingdao, why [23:44] mingdao: ++ [23:44] i want to try out diffrent kinds [23:44] he's a hacker. [23:44] mudsplatter: Lack of intelligence, reading comprehension, etc. [23:44] who [23:44] mingdao: you know nothing he says is true. He's just trying to pluck your E string. :P [23:44] He's a script kiddie from Pluto. [23:44] He's nothing ... [23:44] agentc0re: you mean used-to-be or wannabe? ;) [23:44] mingdao, cuz of that i cant use slackware? [23:45] At least he's not trying to pluck my g-string. [23:45] I'm about to go shower. ;) [23:45] lol [23:45] fire|bird: all of the above is a always a good option. [23:45] mingdao: aha, a good zing, sir [23:45] mingdao, are u asain? [23:45] agentc0re: indeed it is. :) [23:45] waluyo (n=lrenyah@222.124.207.250) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:45] winter: you are right, sir, i am. if you would like to know about some of my projects, i would be glad to talk to you in PM like a sensible person. [23:45] mudsplatter: no, he just plays one on irc. wtf. [23:45] im asian [23:45] ..... [23:45] i hate asians [23:45] are you for reals? [23:46] do you have low self esteem, then? [23:46] i think i am [23:46] i take pills for that [23:46] oh i see [23:46] mudsplatter: The more you type, the more you prove you have no ability to comprehend the English languate, nor to read and comprehend documents/man pages well enough to run Slackware. [23:46] mingdao, fu [23:46] ill run what ever [23:46] actually, mingdao, i assure you mudsplatter can run slackware [23:47] he invented it. [23:47] mudsplatter: No, you won't be able to run Slackware. It is far above your intelligence level kiddie. ;) [23:47] whiten0ise: You're in the same boat with the other kiddie. [23:47] mingdao: quit making this a serious conversation [23:47] You're both dumber than dirt. [23:47] elitist! [23:47] lmao! [23:47] elitist! [23:47] mingdao, [23:47] You were the stars of Dumber and Dumbest, eh? [23:47] what os uses slackware [23:47] what intelligence level? you need a brain first. [23:47] mingdao++ [23:47] ill get it [23:48] and install it [23:48] ill show u [23:48] Yes, I am an elite Slacker. Get used to it kiddies. :D [23:48] mingdao: Confucius say, you are a correct! [23:48] fire|bird: if a brain was not present we wouldn't have the motor skills to type, as we would lack nerve control and a cerebellum [23:48] :P [23:48] slackware sucks [23:48] look at ur selfs [23:48] whiten0ise: stop making this a serious conversation. ;) [23:48] ill stick with ubuntu [23:48] u guys are ass holes [23:48] mudsplatter: IF you install Slackware, which is akin to Barack Obamah figuring out who his father is, you will amaze us! [23:49] mudsplatter: talk to whiten0ise about ubuntu, he use to be a Dev for them. [23:49] what operating system uses slackware [23:49] mudsplatter: We are ... and the fact that it took you so long to figure this out proves your IQ of maybe 32. [23:49] obama knows his father, he just doesn't tell the public so they will get in a tizzy and vote him in for changing things [23:49] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [23:49] i hope u guys fall down stairs [23:49] noobfarm marathon ! [23:49] mudsplatter: Windows 7 runs Slackware. [23:49] u made fun of a asain [23:49] long staircases. [23:49] windows 7 is better than slackware [23:50] redtricycle (n=redtricy@68.124.184.136) joined ##slackware. [23:50] apt-get install slackware [23:50] slackboy: i need you ! [23:50] that command dint work [23:50] i need to be root [23:50] i forgot [23:50] uh oh [23:50] mudsplatter: You can't make racial slurs in this channel ... they will +b you. [23:50] you better use race conditions so you can root the IRC server. [23:50] Soon, I hope. ') [23:50] mingdao: +b on irc is completely useless [23:50] mingdao: very soon, hopefully. [23:50] mudsplatter: First, you need to _get_ a root. P: [23:50] sinura (n=sulton@203.201.172.171) left ##slackware ("Iplik coy"). [23:50] slackboy: we you need your help [23:51] how do i log in is rot [23:51] root [23:51] su [23:51] CitizenLane (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] irc is such an open protocol it has nothing but an IP address, which there is an infinite amount of. you can even have us banned at ISP level and we'll just change modem MACs [23:51] and shazam [23:51] IRC can't ban anything [23:51] mudsplatter: But on idiot-buntu, probably sudo. ;) [23:51] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] Action: deco wakes up slackboy [23:51] ubuntu [23:51] there's not an infinite number of IP addresses... [23:51] will take over the world [23:51] CitizenLane: define hyperbole [23:51] whiten0ise: You _really_ should stop smoking crack. ;) [23:51] its the best os [23:52] so far [23:52] where are the default xpm's for fvwm? [23:52] i'm a newb [23:52] whoa.. there's another one? [23:52] xpm? [23:52] Wait, we must get back on topic ... there is a Slackware question in the channel. [23:52] is tat like rpm? [23:52] wtf is up with this monday? [23:52] monday is the worst day of the week [23:52] Tuesday agentc0re [23:52] i think i got swine flu [23:53] mingdao: for you maybe. :P [23:53] me, too [23:53] agentc0re: Apparently Ubuntu opened up the troll gates and gave them directions to ##slackware. [23:53] i hope you washed your hands before typing to all of us! [23:53] :( [23:53] ubuntu > slackware [23:53] Slackware wannabes have infiltrated this channel for at least 3 years. [23:53] LIES! [23:53] slackware > ubuntu [23:53] fire|bird: probably because one of their dev's came here. [23:53] mudsplatter: You got it bud. [23:53] ya [23:53] Their just tyring to learn how to get root, so they can pawn Obama's Momma. [23:54] i know how to get root [23:54] agentc0re: yeah, probably even made a nice gui with one button, god forbid, /join #channel is WAY to hard. ;) [23:54] you do this: [23:54] blah [23:54] su - [23:54] Open your mouth ... [23:54] ROOTPASSWORD [23:54] u guys dont know [23:54] ubuntu is so easy [23:54] Now you get root idiot. [23:54] i lve it [23:54] ubunut is to easy [23:54] mudsplatter (n=mudsplat@unaffiliated/mudsplatter) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:54] grg (n=grg@150.101.58.177) left ##slackware ("gone bye bye"). [23:54] wow [23:54] i'm glad that troll is gone. [23:54] mudsplatter (n=mudsplat@unaffiliated/mudsplatter) joined ##slackware. [23:55] now for my question, maybe? [23:55] ..... [23:55] whiten0ise: follow him down the rabbit hole ... you can't do it .... I dare you! [23:55] mingdao: what the heck ? [23:55] that was incredibly stupid? [23:55] nyRednek: what is your question? [23:55] nyRednek: I have never used fvwm, so can't help. [23:55] stop trying to hack me [23:55] mudsplatter: we don't go into #ubuntu to bitch about it i espect you to show the same respect while in #slackware [23:55] mingdao, started it [23:55] ill stop [23:55] .... [23:55] whiten0ise, where can i find X's default xpm icons? [23:55] (09:49:45 PM) nyRednek: where are the default xpm's for fvwm? [23:56] i wanted to learn about slackware [23:56] i want to try new os's [23:56] agentc0re: fix your clock ;) [23:56] slackware is great. [23:56] agentc0re, same question, different words [23:56] mingdao: http://timecube.com fix yours. :P [23:56] slackware's good. let us thank it for our food. [23:56] mudsplatter: http://slackware.com/getslack [23:56] nyRednek: i know, i tried to post it before you retyped. [23:56] nyRednek: however i don't know the answer, sorry. [23:56] agentc0re: I gotta funny feeling about that link ... mind if mudsplatter tries it first? [23:57] what [23:57] agentc0re, it's ok [23:57] im on the slackware.com [23:57] mudsplatter: wrong website, http://timecube.com [23:57] i'm trying to make better use of my fvwm config, including a custom button bar [23:57] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [23:57] but i'd like icons instead of just text tags [23:57] why slackware vs the others? [23:57] what can u do [23:57] in slackware [23:57] im asking [23:57] mudsplatter: Install it and see ... it is addictive. [23:58] with compiz [23:58] i pimped out my desktop [23:58] mudsplatter: Cause it's just so groovy kewl and we're leet hax0rs. [23:58] if you don't want to jump right into it then simply install in a vm [23:58] toastytoast: he's a troll, don't mind him. [23:58] where [23:58] mingdao, by what standard? [23:58] toastytoast, [23:58] im srs [23:58] nyRednek: no idea. all the google searches are feeding back just variables, which is annoying. only path I found was usr/X11R6/something something something [23:58] where can i get the vm [23:58] Uh ... pimped out my desktop is NOT exactly a Slackware thang. ;) [23:59] dl virtual box [23:59] mingdao: i'm not and china is awake. [23:59] ? [23:59] nyRednek: looks like /usr/include/X11/pixmaps is where it installs what it includes by default. [23:59] ! [23:59] Cindy^_ (i=takisah@41.236.14.107) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:59] fire|bird, thanks [23:59] wow.... [23:59] ok [23:59] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:59] later [23:59] going bck to ubuntu [00:00] --- Tue Oct 13 2009