[00:00] not really [00:00] ide isnt obsolete yet [00:01] Alright cool. [00:01] I just don't want things to get bogged down. [00:01] On this brand-spanking-new syste, :D [00:01] system* [00:01] it depends on what you are doing. [00:01] how much ram is on the machine? [00:01] 2 gigs [00:01] Why? [00:01] you dont need swap [00:01] Really? [00:01] yeah really [00:02] See, I always wondered why my swap was never being used [00:02] dont run bloated apps and you will notice a big difference [00:02] So technically I could have one big root partition? [00:02] you could [00:02] why is that technically? [00:03] Becuase [00:03] what i would do is make the / partition about 5-15 gb and devote the rest to /home [00:03] I am thinking 10 gigs swap and 30 gigs root [00:03] Err [00:03] 10 gigs root [00:03] 30 gigs home [00:03] or you could split it up. depends on the user. i like 1 root partition, but thats me [00:04] Alright [00:04] Cooleo [00:04] Thanks for the insight [00:04] Cann0n: if youre never going to reinstall a new system, sure [00:04] You could also try making a file and loopback mounting it as swap. [00:04] ccfreak2k: you can do that? [00:04] Yep. [00:04] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:04] ooh ooh. link plz. [00:04] You guys all use ext3? [00:04] ccfreak2k: that's cool :P [00:04] cylux, i use it [00:05] http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/s1-swap-adding.html [00:05] i use ext3, but i'd like to figure out a way to upgrade to ext4 [00:05] dartmouth: Why? [00:05] Oh also, does my root parition need to be marked as bootable? [00:05] dartmouth, i wont upgrade ever again. normally what i wil do is back everything up on a few dvd's and fresh install... sounds stupid but it give me shit to do lol [00:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:05] figure out? its all over every ext4 article i've seen [00:06] my recomendation, bin/(1G) boot/(1G) dev/(1G) etc/(1G) home/(24G) lib/(1G) media/(1G) mnt/(1G) opt/(1G) proc/(1G) root/(1G) sbin/(1G) srv/(1G) sys/(1G) tmp/(1G) usr/(1G) var/(1g) swap(640k) [00:06] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-58-220.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Lol [00:06] nooper: oh. haha. you read the docs. lol. [00:06] wtf [00:06] Leff that [00:06] lol hba [00:06] lay off the drugs [00:06] Hah [00:07] thats such a bad idea lol [00:07] So does my root partition need to be toggled as bootable? [00:07] hba: hahah [00:07] ... [00:07] only if you have a single partition... [00:07] the bootable toggle is more for you than for the machine dude [00:07] Oh [00:07] True [00:08] do you ever reply with just a "false" ? [00:08] Hehe [00:08] nil [00:08] no, but we have farse and arse replies. [00:08] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] i'm just curious, when someone goes "true" i always wonder if they think i need them to tell me something is true [00:09] so true. [00:09] I'm just affirming [00:10] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-78.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:10] nille (i=1000@c-2163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:10] chopp: i think i'm going to have to wait until kernel 3.0 [00:10] i used to make pictures using scan tron forms during the SAT [00:11] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [00:12] hey, just wondering. if i get a bad fps on an openGL game, and every option doesnt help, and my xorg is set up correctly, should i scrap that game? [00:12] wow... [00:13] nullboy: thats sucks. I understand you're frustration. [00:17] Action: dartmouth wonders when good WoW style games for linux will start coming out [00:18] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-56-44.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] i've never played it, but only because i cant afford it [00:18] i wanna install wc3. heard it works great. [00:18] dartmouth: its like being addicted to heroin, stay *away* [00:18] lol [00:19] i will never 'buy' entertainment (with the exception of body shots and tanning lotion) [00:19] lol [00:20] my gf thing jello wrestled [00:20] dartmouth, Eve Online got a Linux client or something close to it. [00:20] However, it was discontinued because of a lack of users. [00:20] ccfreak2k: don't you have to pay to have fun on that though? [00:20] oh [00:20] you know it seems like there was one [00:20] dartmouth, you pay for WoW. It's the same idea. [00:20] what was it [00:21] it was totally free [00:22] planeshift [00:22] Last time I tried it, it was basically just a glorified tech demo. [00:23] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:23] . [00:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:25] firebird619: thanks man :-) [00:25] i think i got VirtualBox running with USB support now. [00:25] hehe i deleted my windows ISO though *redownloads* [00:26] acidchild: np [00:26] it looks well ghetto :-P [00:27] acidchild: yeah, its that 'legit' copy you have on a buddy's server, right? ;) [00:27] haha, well i have alot of legit windows CD [00:27] cd's i can't be arsed going and getting one. [00:29] so whatever happened to mwalling? [00:29] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:29] i dunno? [00:29] raped by hand banana? [00:31] hba (n=hba@189.188.143.143) left irc: "leaving" [00:32] how come Virtual box looks so crap now? [00:32] you mean the new splash? [00:32] yep [00:32] yeah, i just noticed that... just upgraded like 2 mins ago [00:33] acidchild: I caught my neighbors, who are supposed to be paying me for wireless access, surfing porn! hehe [00:33] haha. [00:34] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.7.104) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:34] acidchild: So I enabled the content filter :D [00:34] getting ready to test it now.. [00:34] searching through the logs to find out what site it was they were at [00:34] is this the LPCF? [00:34] Dominian: dont do that, make it where everything's upside down and blurry [00:34] Dominian: install 'urlsnarf' part of dsniff. [00:34] dartmouth: hah [00:34] then do 'ether $mac' [00:34] or you could make it where any jpg file is now a picture of your empty wallet [00:34] Lemon Party Content Filter [00:34] they'll get the message [00:35] and then you can build a list of all there websites. [00:35] acidchild: thi sis on endian firewall [00:35] i see. [00:35] acidchild: I already have logging enabled on the firewall :) [00:35] that's how I found it [00:35] Dansguardian [00:35] bigpaws: that's what its already using [00:35] I like it [00:37] load of crap :| [00:37] Action: acidchild loves raw iptables [00:38] bam.. banned [00:39] acidchild: they don't pay on time.. and supposedly just refinanced the house.. have two older kids living there that work plus the boyfriend of the mother who is in the Army making good money.. and she works.. they can afford their own internet now is my view [00:40] wasteful people. [00:40] Dominian, throttle 'em [00:40] no, ban them [00:40] ccfreak2k: no reason to [00:40] Lose a few packets here and there. [00:40] acidchild: actually I'm lookin' at enabling chilispot on my router :D [00:40] :) [00:40] drink their milkshake [00:40] acidchild: Force them to pay up front before being granted access [00:40] yep [00:40] Action: Dominian is such a dick [00:40] :D [00:41] that's not being a dick [00:41] how much is your internet connection a month? [00:41] this is bullshit [00:41] people agree to pay and don't. [00:41] fsck that [00:41] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] acidchild: like 18bucks. [00:41] acidchild: I get it through work hehe [00:42] so charge, 32$/month for them to access it. [00:42] via chili spot or w/e [00:42] Dominian, do they pay for it? [00:42] pays your bill and network hardware access cost. [00:42] well I need to research it [00:42] ccfreak2k: oh yes.. but usually 3 or 4 months later after the last payment [00:42] so no matter what they are behind [00:42] What I meant was, does your employer pay for it? [00:45] No, I can attest to that. He's a dick. [00:45] ccfreak2k: No.. employer doesn't pay for my internet.. comes right out of my check [00:46] i think thats bs. [00:46] this has been one big BS day [00:46] why? [00:46] i just feel like everything today is BS [00:47] why? [00:47] me too [00:48] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:49] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.7.104) joined ##slackware. [00:51] redtricycle1 (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-160-131.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:55] firebird619: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12630 [00:55] anyone know why i get that error regarding my USB on Virtual Box? [00:55] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [00:55] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [00:55] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:56] acidchild: I didn't think to mention this, but after adding the line to fstab, did you do "mount none" ? [00:57] nope :-P [00:57] Ok, do that and restart Vbox, then it should work. Sorry about that. [00:57] [root@cid ~]# mount none [00:57] mount: none already mounted or /dev/pts busy [00:57] bwahahahahahaha [00:57] Hmm. [00:57] http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5671946761/m/5070028171001 [00:57] oh no worries firebird619 :-/ [00:57] found another leecher hah [00:58] for some reason my fstab file got reverted back :| [00:58] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] a dark seed of evil is grown ..." [00:58] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [00:58] acidchild: are you running off an old snapshot or something? [01:00] nar. i need to find the fstab string again heh [01:00] none /proc/bus/usb usbfs auto,busgid=108,busmode=0775,devgid=108,devmode=0664 0 0 [01:00] reposto (n=unknown@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [01:01] nullboy: He pulled the jalopy out of the closet :P [01:02] floppy jalopy.. [01:02] hey Dominian [01:02] FixED! =] [01:02] hey Urchlay [01:02] got around to building k9copy 1.2.4 on slamd64, works beautifully, but crashes on exit [01:03] yeah I saw your comments from earlier [01:03] you got a slamd64 12.2 or -current to try it on? (possibly one with kde4?) [01:03] Urchlay: even the latest version on -current is a mess [01:03] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:05] _Cloud_ (n=cloud@adsl-233-134-158.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:05] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] or should I go ahead & submit what I have to builds.slamd64.com? It's useful as-is, I just find it unprofessional to have the crash dialog on exit [01:07] that was fixed in svn a long time ago [01:07] wait [01:07] it wasn't an issue in k9copy, it was kde iirc [01:07] Urchlay: I wouldn' tsubmit it with a crash bug [01:07] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:07] yeah crashing = bad no matter when it happens [01:07] Urchlay: and right now don't have time to test it.. getting ready to hit the sack [01:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:08] back later.. night time! [01:08] nullboy: an issue in KDE that's maybe fixed in a later 3.5.x version, or do I need 4.x? [01:08] night Dominian [01:09] Urchlay: k3b had that same type of exit crash issue [01:09] i was confused when i commented earlier; the exit crash i had was k3b [01:09] but k9copy is unstable too [01:09] might be a similar cause [01:10] the really annoying thing is that it does what it's supposed to do (rips/reencodes DVDs) gorgeously [01:11] Hey guys, I installed Slackware succsessfully and just booted it up for the second time. The first time it booted I had a nice framebuffer and the tux at the top left of the screen. Now, the second time the framebuffer is gone and so is tux! [01:11] I made no changes to the kernel [01:11] Any ideas on why this has happened? [01:11] you made no changes t the kernel but what else did you change? [01:12] cylux: did you do a hard reboot (power cycle), or just run the reboot command (or hit ctrl-alt-del)? [01:12] Uhh [01:12] I did reboot -n [01:12] and the only thing I changed was I installed ndiswrapper [01:12] why would you use -n? [01:12] Was that what caused it? [01:13] Force of habit, I suppose. [01:13] not necessarily, but in general it's not a good idea to use [01:13] umm..did you reboot a third time to test it? [01:13] Oh [01:13] What's good practice? [01:13] plain ol' "reboot" [01:13] Okay [01:13] Let me try that [01:13] shutdown -r now [01:13] but if you're having hardware driver issues, an actual power cycle would be a good idea [01:13] nullboy, i second that one [01:13] Rebooting now, (I'm logged into irc from my lappy) [01:13] whatever, but did you reboot a third time or did you come straight in here after only the 2nd boot? [01:13] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [01:13] A third time [01:14] ok [01:14] And I was already in here. [01:14] ndiswrapper... :( [01:14] Shhh [01:14] as in, I've seen video and other cards that don't "recover" from a soft reboot (though generally these were old ISA cards) [01:14] b43xx? [01:14] I guess taht was it [01:14] Cann0n: Yes [01:14] Thanks guys :D [01:14] what was it, ndiswrapper? [01:14] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=b43&sv=12.2 [01:15] cylux, check that link out [01:15] Thanks [01:15] But I'll stick with ndiswrapper until it gives me major issues [01:15] i gt nearly double signal strength with the firmware [01:15] Stella_Caeli (i=Stella@78-20-190-43.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [01:16] sigh... dont listen to me. [01:16] Lol. [01:16] i wasnt being funny. you will learn soon enough. [01:18] Okay [01:18] cylux: so what do you currently think is causing your problem? [01:22] Urchlay: I took the advice on the reboot command and that solved my issue [01:22] cool. I didn't really think that was the cause, guess I'm wrong [01:23] Hehe [01:23] I'd just expect the -n to cause filesystem problems (at minimum, a fsck on next boot) [01:24] Hi all, just want to know the basis on which new versions in slack are released. e.g- 12.1 to 12.2. Is it about new versions of kernel/kde/etc. New to slack. Just need a little clarity. [01:24] pebkac [01:25] reposto, it's just more up-to-date apps and such... [01:25] things get fixed, new versions come out... etc [01:25] reposto: Changelog.txt [01:26] i see. What are keys apps/categories which are candidates for watching out? bijit, will do that thanks [01:27] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [01:27] reposto: usually kernel/xorg/glibc/kde/xfce are the big ones that come to mind. [01:27] ok changelog has all the answers. thanks [01:27] ok [01:28] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-66-214.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [01:28] reposto: one thing you might not know... older Slackware versions do keep getting security-related patches for many years [01:29] so if you installed 12.1, don't feel you need to upgrade to 12.2 *just* for security reasons [01:30] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:30] Urchlay, yes indeed. i am still on 12.1. But what do you experienced folks do? switch as soon as a new version comes? [01:31] and is 12.1 considered 'older' [01:31] no [01:31] 12.1 is "older than the newest release" anyway [01:32] are the packages updated for 12.1 when bugs come up? [01:32] I generally update to new versions on my laptop pretty soon after each release, but wait a while for desktop and media boxes [01:32] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:32] in the official repo [01:32] i see [01:33] reposto: yeah, they are... though the iso images don't get updated (the patches are in a patches/ directory, you can automagically upgrade with slackpkg) [01:33] reposto: usually at some point I switch to -current (the development branch). [01:33] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] Urchlay, Good thing i'm using slackpkg already then. :) [01:33] well there ya go [01:34] BP{k}, current is not for the fickle-hearted is it? [01:34] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-170-151-178.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:35] most people shouldn't run current... the general advice is "If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces" [01:36] i'm holding on to about 6 pieces right now [01:36] (on the other hand, it can be a lot of fun to mess with it... just be aware that it's mandatory fun :) [01:36] :) [01:37] thanks for the insight everyone [01:37] Wireless always seems to be a pain in the ass in Linux. [01:38] s/in Linux//; [01:38] More so in Linux. [01:39] yes & no. I have a friend who's got a Mac, and when his wireless fails, it just fails, with no log file or error output anywhere for him to use for troubleshooting... [01:40] I've got a network that seems to magically appear and disappear from the wireless list with 66/100 signal quality. [01:41] ccfreak2k: keep an eye on it [01:41] they are after your gibson [01:41] It's my own network, actually. [01:42] ...you can't even trust yourself! [01:43] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] And now wicd won't even run. [01:45] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:46] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:46] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [01:47] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] Fuck, got it working again. [01:48] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) left irc: "Leaving" [01:49] Hey guys, following a guide for setting up my wifi card (http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Setting_up_Broadcom_wireless_networking_under_Slackware_11) and a line is instructing me to edit my rc.inet1 file. It says to look for the first line that says IFNAME[4] [01:49] However I have no such line, may I just add it? [01:49] no [01:49] read closer [01:49] rc.inet1 is not rc.inet1.conf [01:50] Woopsies [01:51] morning. [01:51] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:53] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:56] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [01:56] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [01:57] Do I need to install my nvidia driver before I can use a resolution like 1920x1080? [01:57] ummm no? [01:58] No. [01:58] just add proper modeline into /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:58] Hmm, odd, xorg doesn't like that resolution. [01:58] Yeah I did, I get a Weight given inconsistent with depth error [01:59] do we have some snmp masters around here? [02:00] one will be enough :p [02:01] depends on what you want to know. [02:01] saying ones self is a master of anything is a little big headed. [02:01] ;) [02:01] =P [02:01] sup stybla? [02:01] acidchild: i'm just having small issue with mrtg's cfgmaker ;( [02:02] ok? [02:02] acidchild: it claims that ath1 has more than one ip -> it's unable to do --ifref=ip [02:02] does it have more than one IP? [02:03] hell no! :( i can't see any other IPs there - not in snmp browser, not on the system itself. [02:03] whats your config look like? [02:03] snmpd.conf? [02:03] no mrtg.conf [02:03] oh [02:04] acidchild: http://www.turnovfree.net/~stybla/tmp/foo.cfg [02:04] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [02:04] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [02:05] why don't you remove --ifref [02:05] :) [02:05] seems to be the same IP on ath0 as in eth1 [02:05] :| [02:06] acidchild: refresh [02:06] whats mrtg's error? [02:06] did you run it 3 times? [02:06] now, i don't know what you mean. [02:07] mib_hzqt67 (i=180ae58e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-31f957326cea19e2) joined ##slackware. [02:07] when you run mrtg /etc/mrtg.conf or w/e [02:07] what happens? [02:07] i'm trying to find a bluetooth enabled light switch, and or plug. anyone know of one or a channel on here that i could ask [02:07] cylux: the default xorg.conf uses the framebuffer driver, which likely can't do 1920x1080 on any hardware. You don't have to install the proprietary nvidia driver, but you do have to use the xorg nv driver (just find the line that says 'Driver "vesa"' and change to 'Driver "nv"') [02:07] mib_hzqt67: hehe nice project. [02:07] mib_hzqt67: tried looking for a diagram? [02:08] eh, or it might originally say 'Driver "fbdev"', I can't remember which is the default now [02:08] Urchlay: Awesome, thanks [02:08] anyway, make it say nv and you should be OK [02:08] acidchild: rateup and missing logs [02:08] Urchlay: That did it :d [02:08] groovy [02:08] Awesomeee [02:08] stybla: run it again [02:09] Damnit man. This Slackware experience has been the best of any Linux I've ever had. [02:09] No issues whatsoever. [02:09] you still won't get decent (or maybe any at all) 3d performance though. Proprietary driver needed for that [02:09] Yeah I figured. [02:09] That'll come later. [02:09] acidchild: i did three times. no errors after that point (which is obvious) ... and now? [02:09] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:09] stybla: it should have made graphs =) [02:09] stybla: add Daemon: 5 [02:09] to the end of your config [02:09] acidchild: but that's not the problem, is it? [02:09] and run it again [02:09] Anyone here use a tiling window manager? [02:10] acidchild: i want to monitor all interfaces on that router :) [02:10] and boom, it should work. [02:10] :-) [02:10] hm. Is there a name for a drink that's vodka + sweet tea? [02:10] acidchild: i have no problem with mrtg, just their cfgmaker/foobared snmp info ;) [02:10] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:10] stybla: ahhh......... [02:12] stybla: good luck :-( [02:12] i'm too tired to work though this with you. [02:12] e64 (n=e@202-89-161-163.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:12] i use ntop and bandwidthd for my bandwidth checking [02:13] on my routers. [02:13] hi, does anyone here know much about g++, .so's and RTTI? [02:13] noobish (n=efu@c-76-127-78-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] stybla: http://208.92.235.204:81 [02:13] is a example [02:14] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [02:15] e64: well, I seem to recall that a .so built with -fno-rtti won't link with anything built without it... can't recall whether it works the other way around or not (assuming it does, or else libstdc++ wouldn't link, making -fno-rtti useless...) [02:15] redtricycle1 (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-160-131.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] bear in mind, my information is probably 3-4 years out of date, haven't done much C++ lately [02:16] the problem i'm having is that when i used dynamic_cast it's returning 0 (failing) when i use my code from a .so [02:16] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:17] does g++ enable RTTI by default? (i assume so?) [02:17] acidchild: it works everywhere +/-, except there. [02:18] the versions of g++ I'm familiar with, enable RTTI by default [02:18] mib_hzqt67 (i=180ae58e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-31f957326cea19e2) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [02:18] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:18] stybla: mrtg is abit shit don't you think? =P [02:18] eh, which are 2.x and 3.x versions, you might want to find some docs for 4.x but I can't imagine that would change [02:19] Urchlay's brain is in versiou 2.x atm [02:19] who knows when they will release a patch for all the issues. [02:19] =P [02:19] Action: acidchild runs [02:19] acidchild: i'm just using it to collect data into rrd. graphs are done by cgi [02:19] I used to patch my brain regularly... with little patches of paper, with chemicals on them. Apply by catting to /dev/tongue [02:20] haha. [02:20] lsd-$(date +%F).diff ? [02:20] :) [02:20] acidchild: but you can point me to better solution. i'm open-minded at this point ;) [02:20] acidchild: i mean, whatever works. [02:21] stybla: i use ntop to make RRD files.. [02:21] yeah, it seems to still be included by default.. [02:21] this person seems to have had the same problem, but i'm not sure i understand his solution: [02:21] http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:Mn4J5mA3hhoJ:webui.sourcelabs.com/gcc/mail/user/threads/g%25252B%25252B_and_dynamic_cast.meta+g%2B%2B+shared+dynamic_cast&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk [02:21] e64: sadly, I can't even remember now how to make a .so library, or I'd write a little test program [02:21] stybla: i run a small datacenter and ntop is what we use to provide bandwidth statistics to customers. [02:21] ah, you're loading your .so with dlopen()? [02:22] yeah i am... is that bad? [02:22] acidchild: okay. [02:22] If you want to look at the exact problem i'm working with, you can see it here: [02:22] http://pal.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pal/pal/extras/framework_tests/ [02:22] no, but the link you pasted basically says "that won't work"... [02:23] did you try the 'class __attribute__((visibility("default"))) Foo' stuff? [02:23] oh really?... bummer. no i didn't i didn't understand really what that did [02:24] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:24] eh, your directory doesn't seem to have a Makefile, just MS VC++ project stuff... be warned that I'm worse than useless for VC++ answers :) [02:25] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [02:25] yeah thats coz i'm trying to make the makefile now for linux... and it's not working :) [02:25] cool [02:25] you can rea dthe macosx .go_macosx file for reference [02:26] g++ main.cpp -o main -DINTERNAL_DEBUG -Bdynamic -ldl [02:26] g++ shared_single.cpp -o shared_single.so -DINTERNAL_DEBUG -D DLL_IMPLEMENTATION -fPIC -shared -Bdynamic [02:26] is what i'm using now [02:27] oh gods, it's trying to include stuff outside that directory... I was gonna test-compile it [02:28] oh yeah sorry. you'll need to grab the whole pal tree :) but it's only 5meg or so [02:28] (get pal/pal, otherwise youll grab all the branches too ..) [02:29] Nick change: yht -> yht|afc [02:29] hm. Out of curiosity, what is this pal thing [02:29] ? [02:29] its a 'Physics Abstraction Layer' .. it's like opengl but for physics i guess.. so you can write your program once and it will work with all the different physics engines [02:30] oh, neat [02:30] Uhh. [02:30] Wouldn't that make it a "physics API"? [02:30] Unless you really call OpenGL a "graphics abstraction layer". [02:30] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Urchlay: i don't think you had your patch friday this week. [02:30] interesting error to see on Linux: Could not cast to AbstractHello! - bad registry entry! [02:31] i'll have to send you to the office techies for a repatch/reboot [02:31] yes, i guess? and i guess that opengl does abstract away the grpahics hardware for you so to me either term sounds good? [02:31] Urchlay: heh, yeah thats refering to the programs internal registry, not the windows registry :) [02:31] yeah, I figured it out :) [02:32] I see a typo in main.cpp, but it isn't the problem [02:32] AbstractGoodbye *pag = dynamic_cast(pmfo2); [02:32] if (!pah) { // should be if (!pag), shouldn't it? [02:33] Stella_Caeli (i=Stella@78-20-190-43.access.telenet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:33] Stella_Caeli (i=Stella@78-20-190-43.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [02:34] oh yeah! :) good spot . :) [02:34] hm. Adding the __attribute__((visibility("default"))) junk to shared_single.cpp didn't change anything [02:35] yeah, fvisible didn't seem to do much for me either [02:35] have you tried linking main with shared_single.so and *not* calling it with dlopen(), just to see what happens? [02:36] (I'm aware that's not what you're trying to actually do...) [02:37] yeah i have a mode that just staticly links everything, and that does work. (or at least used to, so i assume it still would) [02:39] cylux (n=user@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [02:42] hm. Tried adding -Wl,export-dynamic to the .so compile command, no go [02:43] nm shared_single.so |grep -i rtti <--- no output from that. Can that be right? [02:44] maybe so. /usr/lib/libstdc++.so does the same. [02:44] yeah your right, no idea... .. :( [02:45] there's a -Wl,export-all-symbols, but it's only valid for i386 PE targets (Windows or DOS in other words) [02:45] plus I ain't sure it'd help anyway [02:46] yeah, i'm just reading up on the visibility stuff and it sez if one thing thinks that something should be invisible it makes everything invisible, but i'm still not sure how it figures out by default what is visible and what not [02:47] it may be something horrid, like you have to add the __attribute stuff to all the ancestor classes for your hello class... ugh [02:48] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:48] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:49] reading up on what seems to be happening here: [02:49] http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20080920.013757.16f67b17.ja.html [02:50] but they say all you need to do is make everything RTLD_GLOBAL, which i've already done... [02:50] i'll try making everything __atribute default like you suggested [02:50] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [02:51] ugh. It'll be ugly as sin... [02:51] I tried getting rid of the RTLD_LAZY from the dlopen() call, no change [02:52] i just tried the attibute default everywhere, no joy. [02:52] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-151.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-151.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] yeah, not with -fvisibility=default either (which I think does the same thing) [02:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-151.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:54] I think at this point, you might need to talk to someone who knows what they're doing :) [02:54] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-151.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [02:55] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [02:55] hehe, well thanks heaps for all your help so far. [02:56] http://www.cpptalk.net/rtti-performance-vt10474.html <--- interesting reading [02:56] it won't solve your problem but it'll give you some ideas for directions to proceed maybe [03:00] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:02] the RTLD_GLOBAL stuff seems to be solving a different problem [03:02] if you have two .so libraries, and you want them to be able to see each others' symbols... [03:03] which is not quite what you have here, is it? [03:04] acidchild: i've found something quite interesting along the way. i'll check it out. it's not the ntop, but - ;) [03:05] reposto (n=unknown@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:05] that is an interesting read. [03:05] welll i'm not sure, according to what i read the issue is that the symbols relating to the RTTI are not shared, which is what causes the problems? [03:05] that's what it looks like to me, too [03:06] hold on a sec [03:07] I just got AbstractHello to show up [03:07] that's with RTLD_GLOBAL in the dlopen() call, and changing the compile command for main.cpp to: [03:08] g++ main.cpp -o main -DINTERNAL_DEBUG -fvisibility=default -rdynamic -fPIC -Bdynamic -ldl [03:10] ...could the goodbye stuff be failing because you don't actually define a SingleConcreteGoodbye class in shared_single.cpp? [03:11] wow! it worked!!! AWESOME! [03:12] yes yes it would be [03:12] in fact all the __attribute and -fvisibility= stuff is unnecessary [03:13] ah its the rdynamic which exports all the symbols right? [03:13] it's the "-rdynamic -fPIC" that makes the difference [03:13] yeah. Counter-intuitively or not, main has to be compiled with -rdynamic too [03:14] redtricycle1 (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-160-131.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [03:14] very counter intuitive. but still thats awesome that you found that! thank you so much! [03:14] not bad considering I was just guessing :) [03:15] er, I mean... of course it works! I am the awesomest!!!11one [03:15] sweeeet! the whole things works [03:15] Stella_Caeli (i=Stella@78-20-190-43.access.telenet.be) left irc: Connection timed out [03:15] yeah quality guess work [03:15] lol [03:15] Stella_Caeli (i=Stella@78-20-190-43.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [03:15] g++ shared_group.cpp -o shared_group.so -DINTERNAL_DEBUG -D DLL_GROUP_IMPLEMENTATION -fPIC -shared -rdynamic [03:16] will get goodbye to work too :) [03:17] so Urchlay, do you have a real name for credit purposes, or is Urchlay good enough? :) [03:17] I usually go by "B. Watson" for 'serious' stuff [03:18] you do realise that makes the whole 'guess work' detective style jokes work on a whole nother level. :) [03:18] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [03:19] hehheh. Every once in a while, Watson would guess right, and Holmes would deduce a perfectly plausible but wrong answer :) [03:20] but good ol' Dr. Watson was too polite to ever call him on it... [03:21] yeah i never watched much of the show. which country are you in? i'm in australia, perth. [03:22] USA, in the boonies outside Atlanta [03:22] ah, guess i wont be buying you a beer then. ;) isn't it like midnight over there? [03:25] 3:30AM [03:25] yes, all the sane people have gone to bed... [03:26] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:26] It's 2:25 AM here. I guess I'm not one of the sane. :P [03:27] and actually it's about time for a beer even though you didn't buy it for me (it's the thought that counts) [03:27] "sane" is another word for "boring" :) [03:28] :) [03:28] How are you Urchlay? [03:29] would be OK, if I hadn't managed to sleep from 6PM to midnight on saturday [03:31] it's sorta thrown my biological clock into overtime [03:31] you work night shifts? [03:31] well, I work remotely, doesn't really matter when I do my stuff as long as I meet the due dates [03:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:32] (PHP/mysql website backends, someone else does the shiny frontend bits) [03:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:32] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.221.134) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:33] OTOH, the reason for sleeping weird hours was because this girl kept me awake all night Friday night... I didn't mind at all [03:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:34] (there was vodka and a hot tub involved, and that's all the detail I'll go into) [03:34] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:35] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:36] Panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:36] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [03:39] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] Well I have to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [03:42] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:43] g'nite [03:44] I'm probly going to watch mind-numbing TV shows for a couple hours, which will hopefully make me sleepy [03:44] Good Night Urchlay. Hope you get your biological clock back on track. :P [03:46] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [03:47] i was up until 4am last night too [03:47] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [03:47] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-43-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [03:47] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:48] nargon (n=mike@202.174.145.186) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Stella_Caeli (i=Stella@78-20-190-43.access.telenet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:53] Stella_Caeli (i=Stella@78-20-190-43.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. 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[04:21] SDL_Pango-0.1.2-i486-1wlv [inst=no]: SDL_Pango - Pango bindings for SDL [04:21] pango-1.12.4-i486-1 [inst=no]: pango [04:21] pango-1.16.1-i486-1wlv [inst=no]: pango [04:21] Channel flood from n3lab -- kicking [04:21] pango-1.17.0-i486-4wlv [inst=yes]: pango (library for layout and rendering of text) [04:21] pango-1.22.4-i486-2 [inst=yes]: pango (library for layout and rendering of text) [04:21] n3lab kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:21] I give up, can we? [04:21] n3lab (n=mielofon@shellium/member/n3lab) joined ##slackware. [04:22] how can i remove only pango-1.22.4-i486-2 and pango-1.17.0-i486-4wlv must working [04:22] n3lab~ use PASTEBIN [04:22] ok [04:23] Someone please tell me again how to see my fan speed? [04:23] Which module do I need? [04:23] I have coretemp and fan both loaded, but no fan speed shows up. [04:24] nullboy: ok lets break our shit in half together, 3..2..1.... [04:24] Action: nullboy breaks it all and throws it [04:25] Action: n3lab is crying [04:25] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [04:25] Action: n3lab is stuped newbie(( [04:26] nullboy: one of you're atheros will do ath5k/AP right? [04:27] nope i'm stuck [04:27] i'm building 2.6.30-rc1 right now on my AP [04:27] 2.6.29.1 seems ot require the master mode patches still. do you know if 2.6.30 needs patching? [04:28] yeah after it was released I did a git pull on that wireless-testing tree and there was a shitload of changes. [04:29] Hunk #1 succeeded at 517 (offset 20 lines). [04:29] the AP patch I take it [04:29] the 2.6.29.1 patch worked...but that could just mean they did it in a different place? [04:30] should be the same place I think. [04:30] building now [04:30] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host106-13-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:31] now i'm using a celeron 500 with Atheros Communications Inc. AR5413 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) [04:31] this is one of the ABG cards [04:31] Stella_Caeli (i=Stella@78-20-190-43.access.telenet.be) left irc: Client Quit [04:31] I never looked into the commits because I had the AP working and hadn't started messing with this EAP-TLS yet. [04:31] n3lab: run : removepkg /var/log/packages/pango-1.22.4-i486-2 and the same for that other package you want to get rid of [04:32] alienBOB i allready reinstall older version [04:32] but now i wants to run latest gimp [04:32] and he wants pango 1.17 and later [04:32] n3lab: I hope you start using upgradepkg instead of installpkg to upgrade a package [04:32] ( [04:33] mm [04:33] i have not slear slackware [04:33] fork of slackware called wolvix [04:33] slear=clear [04:33] i ll try it. sorry i am newbie( [04:34] That's why. I can not help you with Wolvix [04:34] Action: nullboy screams [04:34] Action: alienBOB offers nullboy a straightjacket [04:35] alienBOB it's look like slackware. i hope i ll build gimp:) [04:35] alienBOB: whilst you're giving out jackets... [04:35] all them linuxes look the same :D [04:36] nullboy: whats shakin? [04:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426051.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:37] chopp: i'm going to try 2.6.20-rc1 on a system with that AR5413 [04:37] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:37] after that i should be fully qualified for the straight jacket [04:38] comp__ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:38] the scream was a delayed reaction from previous events? [04:39] the scream was about Wolvix [04:39] ahh [04:41] :)) [04:41] my situation I THINK has to be a screwup somehow with the keys. It works so well with EAP-PSK [04:42] or my wpa_supplicant.conf [04:45] nullboy: I assume you're hostapd you compiled yourself due to SBo's only being at 0.5.11 [04:46] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:47] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:48] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Success [04:50] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [04:51] chopp: yeah [04:51] i use git [04:59] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [05:05] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:08] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-147-9.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [05:11] Heya,folks..What's up? [05:14] 'make targz-pkg' FTW [05:15] that makes it really easy to build a kernel for a slow system, on a fast system [05:15] How slow a system,nullboy? [05:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:16] i built a kernel for a celeron 500 on my laptop which is a core duo 1.83 [05:16] cool [05:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:17] on the 500 it would take 3 hours [05:17] it's a really slow system [05:19] Yeah,they were slow....had the freebsd build its kernel on one and think it was on par of 5 hours completing [05:20] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [05:23] chopp: wlan0: IEEE 802.11 Fetching hardware channel/rate support not supported. [05:23] ... [05:23] this is making me crazy [05:24] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:24] not good [05:25] that's from 2.6.30-rc1 [05:25] 2.6.29.1 doesn't do that [05:25] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [05:25] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [05:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-152-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [05:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-152-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:28] the shit I don't understand is the 5413abg is listed as a supported chipset [05:28] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [05:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-152-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] 168c:001b ? [05:30] that table they have is wrong [05:30] it hasn't changed for ages [05:30] i have two different cards that are 5413's and they both do the same thing [05:31] but some doughnut hole must have reported the 5413 to be working at some point. [05:31] it probably worked before [05:32] they probably reported 'working' as in client mode [05:32] client mode is fine [05:32] oh sorry. I thought you were having problems with client mode as well. [05:33] client mode works most of the time, 99% [05:33] sometimes it starts doing this latency ramping thing [05:33] for no reason it just starts getting slower and slower until it just crashes [05:36] you didn't happen to come across any other docs on the certs/wpa_supplicant.conf? [05:38] not really, but i did find a lot of "examples" that use invalid parameters... [05:39] how can that happen? how does someone post an example that has options that aren't even valid and cause a runtime error? [05:40] I don't get it myself. I've tried so many different example now I'm not sure WHAT the real parameters should be. 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[08:02] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [08:02] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [08:03] greetings [08:04] what time is it at your place now? ;) [08:04] can anyone help me use a file as swap ? [08:05] (I don't want to start firefox : I need ram ;p ) [08:05] The-Croupier, 2pm :) [08:05] n3lab (n=mielofon@shellium/member/n3lab) left irc: "Leaving" [08:06] Camarade_Tux : uhmm, create a file, then mkswap/swapon it [08:07] Camarade_Tux: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=1048576 (actual size is your preference) [08:07] mkswap/swapon it is the same with normal hdd isnt it? thats what you do if hdd/swap is not working right? [08:08] The-Croupier : the answer to your first question is yes. the second question makes no sense [08:08] mkswap /swapfile [08:08] [08:08] (fstab entry) [08:08] Channel flood from alisonken1home -- kicking [08:08] /swapfile none swap sw 0 0 [08:08] [08:08] alisonken1home kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:08] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] . [08:09] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:09] go slackboy, go [08:09] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-166-75.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:09] oh, I had forgotten mkswap =) [08:10] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:10] ananke, my bad... the second question is the same as the first just stupidly put... sorry :( [08:10] one lousy extra blank line - and slackboy kicks in [08:10] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl11-181-52.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:10] slackboy is the boy ;) [08:12] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:13] alisonken1homwell, two blank linese, [08:13] Action: Camarade_Tux types without seeing anything, his computer is slooooooooooooooooow [08:13] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:13] I need to free some ram : I need 1.9GB of memory [08:14] ttyX (n=Irssi@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Camarade_Tux, go get yourself a ram stick :) [08:15] ttyX (n=Irssi@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware. [08:15] slava_dp, laptop =/ [08:15] brb [08:15] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-62-103.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [08:15] besides, what's the actual advantage of having a swap partition? disk access times will not differ compared to a swap file. [08:16] thus using more ram you actually save battery power :D [08:17] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-62-103.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:17] slava_dp : less overhead. [08:17] well, I don't have enough memory, simple [08:17] personally, i use logical volumes for that. less overhead than filesystem, yet more flexible than stupid partitions [08:18] but I was testing my own code so I can try to reduce the memory usage [08:18] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:18] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.0.128.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.7.104) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:19] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:20] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:23] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [08:23] ananke: you don't by chance have experiance with EAP-TLS do you? [08:25] imarambiocatan__ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:25] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[08:31] Urchlay_ (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:32] my problem is that it uses more memory than I have and it absolutely suffers from swapping [08:33] Camarade_Tux, i would think that you should find a way for it not to use that much memory then... thinking of it logicaly very few people would be able to use it [08:33] if it uses that much memmory [08:33] memory* [08:34] why does it use that much memory.. what does it do.. out of interest [08:35] has anyone managed to actually use vdpau output on slack? because it doesn't work while xinerama extesion is loaded and i can't find a way to disable it :[ [08:35] Nick change: myrick[off] -> myrick[on] [08:39] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] chopp : not intentionally, no [08:40] ananke: allright, I'll keep digging. [08:40] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [08:40] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [08:42] The-Croupier, this is preprocessing, that's why it can use a lot of memory [08:42] the program should then be able to run on embedded ;p [08:42] but I'll spend some time optimizing it, right now I have to work though [08:42] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [08:44] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:46] Camarade_Tux, good luck [08:47] Gatto (n=hearl@host39-65-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:48] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:48] nille (i=1000@c-e062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[09:13] gwc (n=gwc@221.8.12.142) left irc: Client Quit [09:14] and I'm on 64bits btw (I had forgotten that when I asked for somebody with more ram to test) [09:14] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Camarade_Tux, :( well too complicated... [09:16] playing with bits and bytes...is that assembly you are programming in? [09:19] nille (i=1000@c-e062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:19] nille (i=1000@c-e062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:20] The-Croupier, no, not at all : it's a higher-level language (but it is compiled) [09:21] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166037021.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:22] nille (i=1000@c-e062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:23] Fiyawerkin (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] nille_ (i=1000@c-e062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:24] i seee... [09:28] and I wouldn't write it in asm : it's already more than 1000 lines :) [09:31] http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/04/six-best-portable-operating-systems/ [09:31] slax is second... ;) how good is that... [09:32] Action: The-Croupier feels so happy :) [09:34] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176095103.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:34] giuppy (n=giuppy@host157-173-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:36] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:36] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.36) joined ##slackware. [09:36] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:39] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:48] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [09:49] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [09:49] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176090202.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:50] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [09:51] asaf (n=chatzill@84.95.116.66.cable.012.net.il) joined ##slackware. [09:51] why is the wiki empty at http://slackwiki.org/ [09:53] hmm i just checked and it is in fact empty O_o [09:53] I think someone screwed up the update [09:53] http://slackwiki.org/Category:Security [09:53] Mediawiki needs to update the indexes [09:53] Action: slava_dp thinks of vandalism on wikipedia [09:54] ? [09:55] NetrixTa1dis (n=leoem@stealth3.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:55] I just did a search my (one and only) article and it's sill there. [09:55] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: it is all ok here [09:56] Action: slava_dp rubs his eyes [09:56] me_ (n=me_@92.24.60.189) joined ##slackware. [09:57] <_RadioHead> http://slackwiki.org/Main_Page [09:57] no, really, guys, are you playing a practical joke? the content is missing. [09:57] what exactly is up with the wiki. It's empty from my end too. [09:58] when you say empty - you don't even get from welcome page or what? [09:58] s/from/sfront [09:58] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] "Welcome to slackwiki! Feel free to Create an account or log in and edit any" [09:59] welcome page is fine, but NO content. [09:59] etc etc [10:00] oh [10:01] slackboy joined ##slackware. [10:01] guys..its empty here too [10:01] itsn not empty [10:01] The categories don't work [10:01] http://slackwiki.org/Special:AllPages [10:01] homepage is fine..links are not working [10:01] the actual pages work [10:01] Things like random pages do [10:01] hitting random page brings up anything? [10:01] the categories index is messed [10:01] use that link to go to the page you want [10:01] theres database errors, relax and wait for it to be sorted [10:01] who's the wiki maintainer? [10:02] _RadioHead, sorry for yelling at you :-) [10:02] clamiax (n=clamiax@unaffiliated/clamiax) joined ##slackware. [10:02] hi [10:02] erik [10:02] Don't envy whoever it is, mediawiki is not a fun piece of software to work with. [10:02] but he is not up [10:03] It doesn't really push ease of use much ;) [10:03] fred: [10:03] fred: also seems to be oen of the maintainers [10:03] it looks like its not that bad guys.. only a couple of links dont work [10:03] i'm trying to fix a problem about libssl. If i build a software which uses libssl it works properly but if i run the same program installed as slackware package then i get an error about unreferenced routines [10:03] the rest looks ok.. the main section links, and not even all of them just a couple [10:04] i tried to build OpenSSL by hand and to install the latest slackware package but without results [10:04] does anyone can point me to the right URI/doc/man/whatever? [10:04] Action: The-Croupier is out....time is up...have a nice day ;) [10:04] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Java user signed off" [10:04] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176095103.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:04] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: :) any time man [10:05] I also noted that if i install openssl-solib then everything works properly but after the reboot the problem is back again! [10:05] It's about 2 days i'm googling about, search lists and forums but without any results. This problem is driving me crazy :-( [10:06] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [10:06] there's apparently a broken table [10:06] Action: fred wonders which machine that's hosted on :| [10:07] asaf (n=chatzill@84.95.116.66.cable.012.net.il) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:07] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Success [10:10] DsGb (n=root@71.54.34.230) joined ##slackware. [10:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] fred: I think there is a rebuild table command in media wiki [10:10] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [10:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:12] DsGb (n=root@71.54.34.230) left irc: Client Quit [10:16] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Leaving" [10:16] fred: what did you break? [10:17] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [10:17] clamiax (n=clamiax@unaffiliated/clamiax) left ##slackware ("See you around"). [10:19] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:19] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:20] does the slackwiki have a tutorial on how to fix the slackwiki? [10:20] Dominian: I did nothing :p [10:20] heh [10:20] lol me_ [10:20] me_: what do you mean "fix" it... its a wiki [10:20] anyone can make changes as long as they have an account [10:20] me_, lol [10:21] Just make sure that you understand the syntax and that the changes you're going to make are indeed the proper changes. [10:21] I think it was a joke, Dominian O.o [10:21] Action: Dominian shrugs [10:22] interesting... [10:22] I can't fix it; I don't have access to the machine, and it's saying my username doesn't exist :p [10:22] apparently my account doesn't exist on slackwiki any longer... wtf [10:22] Dominian: there's a mysql problem [10:22] that's what's meant by "fix" [10:22] argh [10:22] fred: who runs the site? [10:23] myrick[on] (n=admin@78.46.76.138) left ##slackware. [10:23] Dominian: not me :p [10:23] well duh [10:25] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.29) joined ##slackware. [10:25] how to install kde 4 ? [10:26] use -current [10:26] hey :) [10:26] Fzza3a, you will have to upgrade to -current [10:26] which, if you aren't famaliar with it... I don't recommend. [10:26] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166037021.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:27] Action: slava_dp still has packages for 12.2 though -- kde 4.2.0 as far as i can remember. [10:27] just woke up and can't think yet, how do i grab the file from http://forum.slackware.se/download/file.php?id=1 from the command line? [10:27] giuppy (n=giuppy@host80-54-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:28] SM177Y (n=sm177y@rvr22nbar129.nmu.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:28] wget? [10:28] wget, links, lynx [10:28] yes wget or links but i need it to follow the link [10:28] wget should follow the link just fie [10:29] but i want to use it in a script [10:29] wget "http://forum.slackware.se/download/file.php?id=1" [10:29] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] well i didn't find an working line [10:29] it does follow the link. file file.php\?id\=1 file.php?id=1: gzip compressed data, was "mozilla-firefox-mimeTypes-fix.d", from Unix, last modified: Wed Feb 18 03:25:43 2009, max compression [10:29] wget doesn't appear to follow the link [10:29] it just doesn't know the real filename. [10:30] well i know i done it with links before but can't think this early [10:30] hmmmm - wget is only getting a 648 byte file [10:31] | bat when type : slackpkg install-new , tell me : http://up2.m5zn.com/photo/2009/4/13/07/371bp3a3a.jpg/jpg [10:31] the downloaded file should be mozilla-firefox-mimeTypes-fix.diff.gz [10:32] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [10:32] uh. dunno. try curl. [10:33] asdaddd (n=neuro_sy@88.236.70.64) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Fzza3a, RTFM. ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ [10:34] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:34] Nick change: asdaddd -> neuro_sys [10:34] ok - wget appeared to ge tthe file. looks like a mozilla mime file diff [10:35] Fzza3a, CURRENT.WARNING UPGRADE.TXT CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT are required. [10:35] Gatto (n=hearl@host41-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:97) joined ##slackware. [10:36] it's a modified patch mozilla-firefox-mimeTypes-fix.diff.gz needed to build swedish version of firefox [10:37] nille_, are you building FF from source? why would you? [10:38] Action: frullet is so sick of FF crashing [10:38] Action: slava_dp agrees with frullet [10:38] swedish version [10:38] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host225-197-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:39] patch is needed for the binaire version to work ok on slackware [10:39] i wouldn't build the hole firefox from source [10:39] char00les (n=char00le@141.216.161.100) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Action: piroko doesn't have any FF crashing problems... [10:42] piroko, have you numerous tabs open? it happens. [10:42] slava_dp: Sometimes. Usually no more than 10 though [10:42] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:43] ho is best mirror's use to update my S 12.2 ? [10:43] slava_dp: What's killing it? The kernel? Is it taking too much memory or something? [10:43] Fzza3a: The one that's fastest for you? [10:43] i was to tired :) wget "http://forum.slackware.se/download/file.php?id=1" -O mozilla-firefox-mimeTypes-fix.diff.gz [10:43] lol [10:43] nille_, well well well :) [10:44] SM177Y (n=sm177y@rvr22nbar129.nmu.edu) left irc: "[BX] Everybody was Kung Fu fighting!" [10:45] what if this mirror is old ? how I know if it now ? [10:46] Fzza3a, come on. http://slackware.com/getslack/ [10:47] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:50] me_ (n=me_@92.24.60.189) left irc: "me_em" [10:50] me_ (n=me_@92.24.60.189) joined ##slackware. [10:51] me_ (n=me_@92.24.60.189) left irc: Client Quit [10:51] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.171) left irc: "‚»" [10:51] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [10:51] me_ (n=me_@92.24.60.189) joined ##slackware. [10:57] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:58] me_ (n=me_@92.24.60.189) left irc: "me_em" [10:58] uva (i=bno@118-160-174-15.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] plz , help me to install kde 4 step by step :( [11:03] upgrade to -current [11:03] read UPGRADE.txt in the root of your favorite mirror [11:04] char00les (n=char00le@141.216.161.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] where's that damn Dominian filter =p [11:04] char00les (n=char00le@crob4-65.flint.umich.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:04] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Necos: Sorry, hand-holding isn't one of my forte's [11:05] lol [11:05] , wish right way to upgrade ? [11:05] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.80) joined ##slackware. [11:05] he told ya [11:05] Fzza3a: what version of Slackware are you on right now? [11:05] prolly 12.2 [11:06] I in slackware 12.2 full [11:06] install [11:06] Then you need to read UPGRADE.txt in the root of a -current mirror.. that will explain to you how to go about it [11:07] http://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/Slackware/slackware-current/UPGRADE.TXT [11:07] and read CURRENT.WARNING as well [11:07] With me, I rsync a local copy of the tree to my local box.. and build my own iso right out of the -current working tree [11:07] Action: Dominian shrugs [11:08] I will read it , ok next time , thanks [11:08] Fzza3a: the "slackpkg" script would be the easiest method to upgrade to slackware-current [11:08] othermindszine (n=othermin@240.sub-75-216-139.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:08] no problem [11:08] But, I would not advice new users to switch to Slackware-current [11:08] alienBOB: is that noted in UPGRADE.txt.. serious question.. I haven't glanced at UPGRADE.txt in a while. [11:09] What [11:09] the use of slackpkg to upgrade to -current [11:09] Is that noted in the UPGRADE.txt? [11:09] Guess it is not mentioned there as far as I know [11:09] k [11:10] The UPGRADE.TXT only covers upgrading from one stable release to the other. [11:10] If you want to upgrade to -current you should already know what to do IMO [11:10] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] Fzza3a: you could always compare the mirror against the changelog on slackware.com [11:10] good point [11:11] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.36) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] Fzza3a: You have to keep in mind that -current is a development branch and *will* break things. [11:11] Action: BP{k} notes he should check time/scroll back before typing. [11:11] Most people upgrade to -current than want to complain that something is "broken" well.. no duh.. its development hehe [11:11] BP{k}: yes you should [11:12] still, if you want kde4, -current is probably the easiest way to go [11:12] Dominian: if [[ $coffee -lt 5 ]]; then echo "whatever excuse is valid" ; fi ;) [11:12] haha [11:13] Fzza3a: You may be able to find a mirror out there that has -current isos [11:13] which reminds me.. I need to start creating -current isos for Slamd64.. unofficial ones that is [11:13] slackware.no should make them at some point today I believe. [11:13] BP{k}: well I think at one point I'm going to end up creating a Slackware mirror with acidchild's help [11:13] witht hat.. we'll probably offer -current isos.. but not sure yet [11:15] are a mirror include -current isos ? [11:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] There are no official ISO images for -current Fzza3a [11:16] ho is no official ISO image for -current ? [11:16] where is it ? [11:16] there aren't any [11:16] NO official ISO Fzza3a [11:17] You can make one [11:17] as mentioned, slackware.no makes one every monday [11:17] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:18] this is -current ISO ?-> ftp://ftp.uio.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/ [11:18] probably better off using slackpkg and reading the appropriate docs imo [11:19] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:19] well, that's if he wants to keep up with -current beyond just a first install [11:19] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [11:20] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [11:20] and there is no guarentee that an unofficial iso will work - or do they stringently test everything before releasing it? [11:21] I doubt it. [11:21] they probably just run the script to generate it. [11:21] probably just a script [11:21] nah, it's probably an automatic thing [11:21] muh BP{k} [11:21] though, people usually report positive results [11:21] BP{k}, you type too fast ;p [11:22] NetrixTardis (n=leoem@stealth3.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] I love fortune : "White dwarf seeks red giant for binary relationship." =) [11:25] >.> [11:25] Camarade_Tux, haven't come across that one yet [11:26] I use a random fortune for email sig, just to annoy people [11:26] he :p [11:26] dive: fortune -o? ;) [11:26] nah I'm that evil [11:27] not* [11:27] rofl [11:27] I don't put a fortune to convert people to linux (fortune is one of the reason you need a unix/unix-like system) [11:27] moar coffee needed [11:27] fortune -o is not very offensive (or is it that I'm not American ?) [11:28] it good -> ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/Linux/slackware/slackware-current [11:28] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:28] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] not really - it's more risqué [11:28] if that's the spelling [11:28] Camarade_Tux, -o means offensive only [11:28] heh [11:29] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [11:29] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-202447.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:29] martian67, I understand some people may be offended but I've absolutely never been [11:29] ugh [11:29] this is really bad lol [11:29] Camarade_Tux, you have been around the internet too long heh [11:30] UPS was supposed to ship my comp parts yesterday? [11:30] Necos, easter sunday? [11:30] do they do that? [11:30] Shipped/Billed On: 04/12/2009 [11:30] Panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] lawless (n=lawless@125.27.163.152.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Action: dive goes on a caffeine hunt [11:31] Necos, I'm sorry to inform you your neighbor stole your parts ;) [11:31] martian67, maybe :p [11:32] >.<;;; [11:33] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [11:38] monstro (i=monstro@201-43-251-178.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:42] lawless (n=lawless@125.27.163.152.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:42] i run kd4.2.2 on 12.2 and it works good [11:43] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-196099.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:43] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204033.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:44] AzalynX_ (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:45] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:49] cylux (n=user@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Hey guys, trying to install libedit but I get this error when running installpkg "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" [11:50] Does that mean i'm missing a core glibc or g++ package? [11:51] monstro (i=monstro@201-43-251-178.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:52] it means you're missing headers [11:52] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [11:52] echo Hello, world! [11:53] Hello, world! [11:54] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:54] >.> [11:54] Necos: Ah.... [11:54] cylux: It means that the ghosts of a thousand male nudists will haunt you in the night [11:54] Perhaps you could show me a link on the subject becasue I'm not certain what that means? [11:55] install the kernel headers package [11:55] cylux: installpkg should never show "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" [11:56] Actually it's sbopkg I was running [11:56] unless you call gcc from inside doinst.sh ;) [11:56] Usually this message means you are on sa 64bit distro and try to compile with 32bits CFLAGS or vice versa [11:56] Ahhh [11:56] See that may be it [11:56] I'm on slamd64 [11:56] oh >.> [11:56] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] =] [11:56] Looser [11:56] yeah it's amazing what happens when you explain what you're situatioin is , than a 6 word one liner [11:57] NExt time start by telling what you are doing instead of letting us make assumptions [11:57] Apologies. [11:58] So perhaps I need to look for a 64-bit package repository? [11:59] Ah. builds.slamd64.org [11:59] Found it. Heh. [11:59] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Action: fred points cylux towards #slamd64 [11:59] Thanks [12:00] darn multi-libbers :) [12:00] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.110) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:01] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:02] slamd64 != slackware (apparently) [12:02] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-202447.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] Necos: the SlackBuilds at slackbuilds.org do not support 64bit by default [12:04] But it is easy to add support [12:05] Old_Fogie: how do you build GNOME on your system(s)? [12:05] alienBOB: Really? [12:05] cylux: yes [12:05] NaCl, not sure what you mean? [12:05] ... How? o.o [12:05] cylux: read & learn [12:05] Perhaps you could direct me towards a document or a man? [12:05] by man I mean mapage [12:05] Check the ARCH="..." bits in a SlackBuild [12:05] Ah. [12:06] Compare a Slackware SlackBuild with a slamd64 SlackBuild [12:06] Old_Fogie: What do you use to build GNOME? I mean something like GSB. [12:06] basically, changing arch, adding --libdir=/usr/lib64 to configure [12:06] You'll see that you need to add just a few lines [12:06] alienBOB: This is kindof a noobie question but does that mean I need to extract the .tgz archive? [12:06] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-2f7ab44e78987d16) left irc: [12:06] Look at any of my own SlackBuilds, they are all ready for slamd64 - http://slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [12:07] cylux: read http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [12:07] NaCl, no I actually wrote my own slackbuilds for each app I use, pretty much their a combo of slackbuilds.org/alienbob style scripts, but in a buildsystem much like what rworkman did in the xfce slackbuild (which is like for FOO in $FOO do FOO.SlackBuild). I dont build "all" of gnome, I don't build the mono cancer, or some of the redundant stuff. [12:07] alienBOB: Sweet thanks [12:08] Old_Fogie: Ah. I see. [12:08] NaCl, like I dont build the games, or some of the system stuff that's redundant ot what's in slackware, I substitue wicd for the vpn/networking stuff. [12:08] NaCl, so it's a nice clean and light gnome. [12:08] if I do say so myself :) [12:09] Gotcha. :) [12:09] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Do you guys use one "build" directory to keep everything clean while editting builds and the like? [12:09] I do. [12:09] NaCl, I'd probably use gware if I didn't do my own, but they don't offer a 'build system' (too bad) . I prefer their style of doing things, it's more similar to Slackware 'proper' imo [12:09] very cool, Old_Fogie:) [12:10] Old_Fogie: Just curious and all. [12:10] Also curious: what do you not like about KDE? [12:11] NaCl, I could probably put together a build system for gware if they (a) wanted one (b) gave me a list of their build order. As there's many things I don't build, I'd yet to cross the bridge for figuring out the games, or some of the system stuff. but I'm sure they got that on file, but I've no idea where it is. [12:11] Rokula (n=aki@c-76-112-198-29.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-152-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:12] NaCl, I like kde app's, but not the DE, it's too feature rich , in the way I think. My wife prefers the gnome totally, she's lost in KDE. So I build the gnome primarily for her, and many of the apps I wind up using in XFCe (but lately I've been using icewm more and really liking it once I figured out you can use gradients and antialiasing if ./conifugre is told to) [12:12] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:12] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [12:13] NaCl, I'm not very happy with the way xfce is going, so I'm probably switching to icewm with kde apps and gnome apps and just rip xfce-new out of the box's once next slackware comes out. [12:14] Ah. I see. [12:15] yea, kde is just too busy for me/us (family and friends too - no one likes it) to do what we gotta do for a DE [12:15] Rokula, what's up the ctcp? [12:16] to what people are using [12:17] Old_Fogie: I've considered switching to something a little more lightweight, but haven't gotten around to doing so yet [12:17] (I'm using KDE right now) [12:17] ttyX (n=Haider@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [12:17] tryed KDE 4.2 yet? [12:18] it blew me away [12:18] I'm running -current on all of my systems. [12:18] is this true that you should use generic kernel instead of huge? [12:18] ttyX: yes [12:18] I am about to wipe Ubuntu off my main laptop and put slack on there just for 4.2 [12:18] so generic is the 'recommended' kernel [12:19] Yes. [12:19] NaCl, the lightweights all seem to be missing 'something' that let me just get in and start using them. icewm for example has horrible menu setups. I grabbed a menu setup from debian and tweaked away on that. that said, its' just really nice, only 55 mb ram when I'm in X, and it just flies. small panel, good keybinding, and and I can chagned wallpapers, fast, boom done. I really dont need all the things in a kde, for ex [12:19] ample, cups is done by localhost:631, xorg takes care of video, so on and so forth, it's just too much. [12:19] I usr huge until i can compile my own [12:19] use [12:20] Old_Fogie: hm. You do have a point. [12:20] Rokula, that's essentiallly what I do, take huge's .config and tweak a few things and done. [12:20] I actually don't use all of the stuff in KDE. [12:20] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] NaCl, yeah I mean kde is nice for a first time user who needs their hand held, but once you get used to linux and such, its' really pointless. Your desktop is mainly hidden all the time anyhow. widgets flying around to me now, just take away from getting work done. [12:21] alienBOB: Hey man, that worked! Awesome. That was much easier than I thought it would be. [12:21] Is anyone using -current experiencing this problem in stuff that uses xine? http://bugs.xine-project.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225 [12:21] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:22] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] LifeForce4 (n=LifeForc@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Old_Fogie: I've tried to use fluxbox before, it generally works well. [12:22] cylux: you did well :-) [12:23] Now I just have to see about organizing these builds nicely, I imagine I'm going to have quite a few. [12:23] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] cylux what work? [12:23] NaCl, I noticed that before. The problem for me goes away if I install realplayer (from realplayers site) then rebuild amarok right, but using the --enable-helix option (i believe that's what it's called). [12:24] pekwm seems to the soup du jour when it comes to light window managers these days [12:24] NaCl, then flac's work great, and I can even go back/forth in songs. Oh in amarok I tell it to use helix engine, and not xine. [12:24] Old_Fogie: hm. I'm using KDE 4, so it would probably require messing with phonon. [12:24] filiberto: I needed to get a 32-bit build to install on my 64-bit system so I editted the build script for my architecture and that did the trick [12:25] NaCl, oh, yeah I'm not on that. [12:25] Why did they have to rush on KDE4 [12:25] So they could get people working on apps for it [12:26] Old_Fogie: I would try to recompile the old amarok, but IIRC it's not possible on -current. :( [12:26] It's painfully slow on my hardware atleast [12:26] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [12:26] NaCl, I've never tried , so dunno. [12:27] with kde4 stuff [12:27] The thing is that this works perfectly fine on my laptop, which is running the same software. [12:27] I was going to start trying to backport it to slack 12.1 as a learning experience, but I might wait til' next slack comes out before I do that. [12:28] Except I upgraded it from a 12.2 install, as opposed to my desktop box, which was a direct netinstall from -current [12:28] NaCl, maybe there is some setting in xine itself that you have to play with. since amarok just uses xine as it's enginee? [12:28] like buffer size, or what not. [12:28] <_chess_> cylux: and FWIW, we are planning to include git support inside sbopkg which should make it work with the slamd64 builds project [12:29] _chess_: is there anything that can be done for sbopkg failing on downloads b/c of certificate errors? [12:29] Besides installing the certs ourselves. [12:29] <_chess_> yes, this was discussed on sbopkg ML. there is a wget flag you can add to sbopkg.conf [12:29] wget has a --no-check-certificates flag [12:30] _chess_: Ok. Wasn't sure. Thanks. [12:30] <_chess_> there ya go. add that to WGETFLAGS in sbopkg.conf and you'll be all set [12:30] 12:29 < _chess_> there ya go. add that to WGETFLAGS in sbopkg.conf and you'll be all set [12:30] whoops. [12:31] fAu (n=fAu@82.193.26.75) left irc: "42" [12:31] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] maginot (n=maginot@proxy.inmetro-sc.gov.br) joined ##slackware. [12:34] alienBOB, is this yours? http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/index.php [12:35] asdaddd (n=neuro_sy@88.236.70.64) joined ##slackware. [12:35] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:36] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "bbiab" [12:36] Doesn't useradd create a directory in /home/"username" automatically when the user logs in for the first time? [12:37] adduser [12:37] useradd you have to specify the homedir, last i remember [12:38] blah haha thanks Necos your right. [12:38] lol [12:38] i just used that firewall creating website and implemented it and edited my dhcpd.conf file so right now this box im on is running off another slackware system configured as a router and irc and msn seem ok but http and pinging and traceroute all dont work.... [12:38] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [12:39] <_RadioHead> time to go ~ :) [12:39] insan3 (n=icefusio@r249-pr-lajeadogrande.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:39] <_RadioHead> later [12:39] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [12:39] insan3 (n=icefusio@r249-pr-lajeadogrande.ibys.com.br) left ##slackware ("fui"). [12:39] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: "Leaving" [12:40] i_is_cat: Yes, that is him [12:40] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:40] well thats cool because that page is quite nice, esp for people like me who dont know much at all about routing and firewalls etc [12:40] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [12:41] im like half up right now i need to get http access and pinging etc going [12:41] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-773196ae0512dcee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:41] but i dont have a clue what needs to be done [12:41] Rokula (n=aki@c-76-112-198-29.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:42] even my torrents are still downloading.. i dont get it [12:43] ttyX (n=Haider@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware. [12:43] i_is_cat, it's probably because your torrents were already established connections? [12:44] yep they were.. [12:44] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:44] so new connections are being blocked while established still work [12:45] i dunno.. i killed ktorrent and reopened it and it still looks good.. [12:45] hmm [12:45] othermindszine (n=othermin@240.sub-75-216-139.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:45] well usually you need to shut everything network related down, stop network, then restart net and firewall [12:45] I think [12:46] alienBOB: What process do you go through to generate your slackbuilds and all the nice little files in your pkg/ directories for them? [12:46] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:46] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:46] ive tried killing off eth0 and eth1 and then running dhcpcd again on eth1 which brings me back up but the end result is half of it works and half of it doesnt.. [12:47] Action: piroko sighs [12:47] alienBOB is an experienced user [12:47] That is apparent [12:48] piroko, iirc he has a nice tool for newcomer's to writing slackbuilds at his site that will gen a buildscript for you. dig around a lil' at his site, you'll find it. [12:48] piroko, there is also a tutorial on SBo with SB templates etc [12:49] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [12:49] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176090202.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [12:51] piroko: there are a lot of resources for building slackbuilds (some more trustworthy than others), but it's actually not that hard [12:51] They look so intimidating O_o [12:51] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: "~" [12:51] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [12:51] piroko, learn a bit of bash perhaps first so you understand what they are doing [12:52] dive: I know bash :) [12:52] It's just figuring out what exactly needs to get installed etc that I would've know what to do [12:53] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:53] the general procedure is untar > cd into directory (usually in /tmp) > ./configure > make > make install to /tmp/package- > makepkg [12:53] try compiling it first in source folder, read the README and INSTALL files for example [12:53] I like the minimalism of slackbuilds.. there is very little there to debug [12:53] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Necos: Oh right. They usually use DESTDIR. So DESTDIR would be set to /tmp/package- and --prefix would still be /usr, correct? [12:54] hmm not sure what exactly i did but it seems to be working ok now.. except torrents are pretty well uploading only and barely downloading now [12:54] yep [12:54] Well that's not bad at all. It's just that the slackbuilds usually do much much more than that [12:54] gota run to a couple of classrooms, so bbl [12:54] piroko: i said "general procedure" =p [12:54] Hehe. Yeah [12:55] but thats not a problem.. everything seems ok now [12:55] Action: piroko reads http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script [12:55] it depends on the install - seems like everyone I've made so far has some obscure method of installing [12:55] Blah [12:55] This is why I like src2pkg [12:55] I usually end up compiling and then cp'ing stuff to pkg dir [12:55] Yeah [12:56] src2pkg is good [12:56] is there any good tutorial or howto on setting qos limits on a linux gateway/firewall? [12:56] I use it for quick builds [12:56] It isn't very good at haskell stuff though. [12:56] and yes im googling ;) just thought someone might know of anything offhand... [12:56] At least I can't get it to work [12:56] when I want to just try out something I use src2pkg and then if I like it - make a SB and submit it [12:57] So have slackbuilds been around for a long time? I don't remember using them back when I was running slack 10 [12:58] piroko, since the 11 days [12:58] Ah ok. Jeez. How was patrick doing all this stuff before? O_o [12:58] er but haven't included packages always been created with slackbuilds? [12:58] piroko, he used LP :) [12:58] lol [12:58] hahaha [12:59] Sorry, I'm not familiar with that acronym :-/ [12:59] linuxpackages.net [12:59] and DONT go there [12:59] dive, ++ [12:59] Oh right. I used to back with 10 :-/ [13:00] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [13:00] or we will find out where you live and dump rotten fish in your garden [13:00] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:00] What's wrong with it? Just asking! [13:00] Hey, good fertilizer [13:00] linuxpackages.net == the equivalent of running an 'optimized kernel from some random russian porn site' [13:00] no quality control, strange depencies (usually not listed) for 2 [13:00] Ah so slackbuilds has quality control. This is good to know [13:01] Old_Fogie, hey you mean that kernel I got is no good? [13:01] damn [13:01] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] piroko, yes they do have good QC. and no rootkits like linuxpackages...which I *did* get from them once [13:01] Oh shit. That's crazy [13:01] yes, as have many others [13:01] piroko, also most of the submitters are know either from here, mailing list etc [13:01] or so I've read here, and there [13:01] I never run stuff from linuxpackages.net, their stuff is shit [13:02] Haha. I probably had a million rootkits then. Good thing I had no net access :P [13:02] I probably stopped using it before that happened [13:02] dive, just read what you wrote about the kernel above, lol :) [13:03] :) [13:03] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: No route to host [13:03] yeah, I don't need a dog to bite me in the arss twice to know it hurts, so I stay the heck away from LP now. [13:05] i dont know if it matters or why it happens but just so alienBOB is aware, that easy firewall page he has does not work with opera 9.64.. at least not on my computer but then again i havent changed any settings like masking as firefox etc. [13:05] i_is_cat, don't know what to tell you, I use it here, as do many others in the family/friends slackware network we got up over here in these parts. [13:05] can you ping your dns server? [13:06] Old_Fogie: my reason for going away from LP was mainly that they didn't have the stuff I wanted. So I started writing SlackBuilds.... [13:06] Old_Fogie, the page comes up fine its just when i click the generate firewall button in opera it just refreshes the page [13:06] when i tried with firefox it worked ok [13:07] Nick change: _makerc -> makerc [13:07] pprkut, ah ok. Yes the package that had the rootkit, was gone from their site in a few days from when I got it. they pulled the package, and never said boo about in even on their forums when I even asked. very very sketchy admin's there. [13:07] another reason to ditch Opera imo :> [13:07] well i should say the generate firewall button gets to a certain point but wont actually bring up the finished script [13:07] and ya opera has been going downhill for a long time [13:07] i_is_cat, oh you cant use the page with opera? you mean? oh, hmmm, it works here. [13:07] Old_Fogie, did you change any settings like masking it as IE or firefox or anything? [13:08] Old_Fogie: I see. Well good thing it's nearly dead now ;) [13:08] are you on 9.63 or 9.64? opera i_is_cat ? [13:08] pprkut, agreed. [13:08] 9.64 [13:08] hmmm, and you're sure that javascript works? [13:08] elinks works well too [13:09] you can just save the whole page as rc.firewall... [13:09] it should work.. i use opera for pretty much everything [13:09] altho with all the stupid issues its been giving me lately ill probably stop using it [13:09] I had a few bugs/annoyances when I tried it [13:09] but at the time it looked better than FF [13:09] buttons and so forth [13:09] i_is_cat, oh wait, it isn't working you're right. [13:09] hmmm, odd [13:10] I use opera all the time, I wonder when it/stopped. [13:10] ya its weird.. opera has been doing stupid things like that for a while and its really irritating [13:10] no it's working now.. [13:10] I got it here [13:11] lol weird what did you do? just keep trying? [13:11] I dumped my cache, reloaded opera, made sure enable sound/java/js/plugins/cookies were all allowed, and I do have "identify as opera' on. [13:11] hmm interesting [13:11] I'm using jre 6u11, opera 9.64 from Sbo [13:11] Shuren (n=Devilman@host62-170-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [13:12] Shuren (n=Devilman@host62-170-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:12] maybe since I'm using latest compiz-fusion ? [13:12] rofl :) [13:13] lol i have compiz fusion on here but i only turn it on when i want to show off some bling to non linux users [13:13] i would leave it on all the time if i had a dedicated vid card [13:13] I use it when in gnome, since metacity as itself is useless, has no tile windows, shading, etc. [13:13] i really dont like gnome :| [13:13] i'm in gnome now, was testing the 0.8.2 compiz and new avant-window nav [13:14] 0.8 series of compiz available? [13:14] ie: compiz++ ? [13:14] eviljames, yup [13:14] :D [13:14] Interesting. [13:14] running it here on Old_Fogie --unstable [13:14] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.7.104) joined ##slackware. [13:14] app's launch *really* fast [13:14] Have you been following the progress? Do you know if they've started those big architectural changes that were planned? [13:14] there's not 1 second pause, even if using xfce's compiz I find, this is a God send. [13:14] even faster than without compiz? [13:14] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:97) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:15] i_is_cat, I'd say running the compiz or compiz-fusion is equally the same, I feel no difference here on this box at all. [13:15] with this 0.8.2 now [13:15] good to know.. i cant wait until i have money to add a video card to my system [13:15] the 0.7.8 I was running, yeah, that had a 1 to 2 second pause , like to restore a window, or even launch an app. [13:16] grazymax (n=grazymax@host242-157-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:16] that's why I stopped using it [13:16] even apps menus took a sec to open [13:16] What about resizing? I find that kde3 apps have some delays when resizing the window under compiz-fusion 0.7.8 ? [13:16] annoying [13:16] this add's a new depend called 'protobuf' made by google, that's needed to be installed before libcompizconfig, it's an easy build, standard slackware config/buildscript options, and boom done. [13:16] I didn't have a problem w/ apps / menus opening though. [13:16] dywanik (n=dywanik@2001:6b0:27:ff:20a:e4ff:fefa:72b4) joined ##slackware. [13:16] hi [13:17] Old_Fogie, any chance of a howto on the wiki for getting it up and running? [13:17] eviljames, the resize is still a tad slow, so I use the 'rectangle' option so it hides the windows contents, if using that then it's fast. but yes, stock compiz config to show the windows contents are still slow. [13:17] dive, isn't there one? [13:17] dunno haven't looked :P [13:17] I use the fusion icon to be honest, SBo has a build script. [13:18] fusion-icon = awesome. [13:18] I launch it from a term so I can see it's ooutput, for errors and such. [13:18] the fusion icon at SBo still works as is, even tho the sources are from CVS from a while ago. so that's good, no breakage there. [13:18] Old_Fogie, looks like there's a wiki for the old compiz [13:19] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.171.157) joined ##slackware. [13:19] http://slackwiki.org/Compiz [13:19] they did change the names of the plugins tho, it's no longer 'compiz-fusion-plugins-main' for example, it's just 'compiz-plugins-main' which means changing the slackbuilds, and the slack-desc files that SBo has, but it's only 3 apps so no big deal really there. [13:19] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [13:20] dive, which video card are you using? [13:20] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] nv 6800gt on desktop, radeon something on lappy [13:21] you poor bastard [13:21] well, the nv will work, need more info for the radeon. [13:21] Intel is the only gfx chip that works easily w/ compiz :D [13:21] Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] [13:21] Nick change: asdaddd -> neuro_sys [13:21] dive, does it get dri? I beleive they do. [13:21] mobility sounds like it should be in a wheelchair [13:21] yes [13:21] you may need in Section "Device" Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" [13:22] for your radeon [13:22] after I fixed a symlink, which I later forgot about and should have mailed pat about.. [13:22] Old_Fogie, yeah I've had that for a while [13:22] black images in FF [13:22] I've never tried compiz on here though [13:23] only on the desktop [13:24] dive, then other than that, if you got DRI, you'll also need: Section "Extensions" (new line) Option "Composite" "Enable" (new line) EndSection ..and.. Section "ServerFlags" (new line) Option "AIGLX" "on" EndSection in /etc/X11/xorg.conf; and the packages build from SBo, that's really about it. then just launch 'fusion-icon' from a terminal, and start playing fiddle futsing away :) [13:24] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl11-181-52.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Connection timed out [13:24] right [13:24] dive, they have a fix for the black screen at the FAQ at their site iirc [13:24] with nvidia's [13:25] never had a black screen problem [13:25] just found it slow.. [13:26] Yeah, you gotta luv Slackware, where an old foo like me can build latest compiz on Slack 12.1 :) [13:26] so what about this protobuf dep - that in the README on SB? [13:26] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [13:27] dive, no the protobuf is for 0.8.2 compiz, not the one at SBo. And you wont see 0.8.2 hit SBo, since the 0.8.2 requires changing packages from stock slackware. [13:27] ok [13:27] the package compiz in Slack 12.2 is for 0.7.8 ; so SBo has a policy not to upgrade stock packages. [13:27] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.110) left irc: Success [13:27] but the 0.7.8 works, but 0.8.2 is well worth the upgrade risk :) [13:28] at least for what I'm seeing here on intel driver [13:28] the radeon driver in Xorg is faster as well [13:28] when using it [13:28] I will have a look then when I've got a spare moment [13:30] bbl [13:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Bye, Slackers:)" [13:30] Nick change: Gatto -> Gatto|GP [13:30] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [13:33] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Old_Fogie, yeah when I said a wiki I meant a wiki for the 0.8.2 version - with which packages to upgrade/install etc [13:34] no matter though since I live in the console mainly [13:34] would be nice to test though [13:35] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:38] wamty (n=ktebit@94.187.93.10) joined ##slackware. [13:38] I'm trying to change my login password using the psswd command. when I push enter for the last time to commit the changes it says "Cannot commit password file changes". any idea anyone? [13:38] im using slack 12.0 [13:39] Anyone? [13:39] what was the last thing you did before changing your password? [13:40] ? [13:40] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] What, if anything, did you do to your system right before the password changing issue [13:40] are you root ? [13:41] updates.. did you build a new kernel did you change anything directories around [13:41] thrice`: why need root for a password change? [13:41] dunno, it'd make a good test though [13:41] heh [13:41] I'm going to assume something was installed or upgraded [13:41] that fudged perms [13:41] and someone tried to fix them.. and probably made it worse :P [13:42] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:43] Nick change: i_is_cat_ -> i_is_cat [13:43] can change user passes with passwd as root though, but that doesn't fix the problem.. [13:44] But it does narrow it down [13:44] wamty, which command are you using with passwd? [13:44] just 'passwd' on its own, or 'passwd username'? [13:44] why jump ahead? [13:45] He stil lhasn't answered the question of what he did prior to this issue starting... [13:45] I do that [13:45] not sure what I did. Have been awat during easter. But dmesg complains about troble with the disk. [13:45] doh [13:45] hmm [13:45] "massd username" in a terminal [13:45] "passd username" in a terminal [13:46] try just 'passwd' [13:46] without username [13:46] that's *if* you are doing it as the user [13:46] passwd is proper [13:46] 'passwd username' is for root [13:47] afaik [13:47] tried [13:47] same [13:47] wamty: its passwd your missing the w [13:48] wamty: ls -al /etc/passwd [13:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:48] perms should be 644 owned root.root [13:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1889 2009-04-08 12:20 /etc/passwd [13:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:48] interestng [13:49] someone updated /etc/passwd on 4/8/09 [13:49] er is that a+r??? [13:49] nille_ (i=1000@c-e062e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:49] or is that norm? yes i guess it is [13:49] lol [13:49] Yes [13:49] :P [13:49] What about /usr/bin/passwd? Is it sticky? [13:49] you know someone pwn'd /etc/passwd [13:50] it's prolly setuid [13:50] But if it isn't, he wouldn't be able to update /etc/passwd as a user... [13:50] it's setuid [13:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Necos: I'm saying what if it's not on his system [13:51] it better be lol [13:51] or his machine got pwned ^_^ [13:51] perhaps he should go back and fix those disk errors first [13:51] True [13:52] useradd: cannot lock shadow password file [13:52] - Error running useradd command -- account not created! [13:52] (cmd: /usr/sbin/useradd -d /home/jaja -m -g users -s /bin/bash jaja) [13:52] wamty: Type 'mount' [13:52] I'll bet your disk is mounted read-only :P [13:52] ls -al /etc/shadow gives: -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1295 2008-10-09 16:26 /etc/shadow [13:53] it is rw [13:53] mount | grep / [13:53] wamty: You can touch a file? [13:54] found the prob! [13:55] no space left on device when I tryed to copy /etc/shadow [13:55] and? [13:56] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] hahahaha [13:56] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [13:56] df -h ? [13:56] hence the disk errors [13:57] not necessarily [13:57] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] but possible [13:57] now where it the delete button...? :) [13:57] it may be the disk errors are causing the drive to report it's out of space [13:57] yes [13:58] or vice versa [13:58] where is the delete button now? :))))))) [13:58] Action: Necos slaps wamty for being a general dumbass [13:59] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Nick change: sitwon_ -> sitwon [13:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:00] so? [14:00] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:10] What's a good example of a --build line and a --hostline for a slackbuild in the .configure block? [14:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:11] ? [14:12] afternoon, slackers [14:12] --built=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux [14:12] is that what you're talkin about? [14:12] *--build [14:12] Yeah [14:12] Thanks [14:12] ./configure will actually read that from gcc [14:13] older configure scripts didn't, that's why it's usually there [14:13] will any of you try running `locate iomanip.h` for me? I don't seem to have it somehow. [14:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [14:14] Necos: Thanks [14:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:15] = [14:15] =^.^= [14:16] [tessai@tessai:~ #]> locate iomanip.h [14:16] /usr/include/c++/4.2.3/backward/iomanip.h [14:16] Necos, hmmm. why don't I have that? I only have the c++ lib. [14:16] i'm trying to install id3lib and it's failing without it. [14:17] Necos, can you pastebin that for me please? [14:20] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:20] that's the only file that comes up [14:20] it's part of gcc apparently... [14:21] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [14:21] [tessai@tessai:/var/log/packages #]> grep -i 'iomanip.h' -r . [14:21] ./gcc-g++-4.2.3-i486-1:usr/include/c++/4.2.3/backward/iomanip.h [14:22] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:22] i know i have gcc :D Why on earth wouldn't i have that header? [14:23] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [14:23] i'll be back in a few minutes. I need to get to class. [14:23] Action: Necos points up [14:24] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [14:24] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. 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[14:50] filiberto (n=filibert@189.174.139.177) left irc: "HEY! Must be the BitchX!" [14:53] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:55] has anyone here tried to build x11-Haskell? [14:55] cylux: Yes [14:55] Could some one explain why my panel is messed up like this? [14:55] I built it on my system. Running xmonad right now [14:55] http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8015/snapshot1.png [14:56] piroko: When I run the build script I get an error "Setuphs: Run the 'configure' command first. [14:56] After a haskell warning [14:56] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:56] what does haskell do? [14:56] cylux: do 'runhaskell Setup.lhs configure' [14:56] cylux: Then 'runhaskell Setup.lhs build' [14:57] cylux: Then 'sudo runhaskell Setup.lhs install' [14:57] Within the source directory the build directory? [14:57] or* [14:57] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.29) joined ##slackware. [14:57] char00les (n=char00le@crob4-65.flint.umich.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:57] cylux: Source directory. Are you trying a slackbuild or doing it by hand? [14:58] Slackbuild [14:58] Huh. Mine worked fine [14:58] lf4: hmm that's weird :) [14:58] But the commands you gave me are working just fine [14:59] cylux: You get the latest 1.4.5 one from SBo for slack 12.2? [14:59] Yep [14:59] BP{k}: I know I have tried to move things around but it still has all the blank space. [14:59] piroko: So those commands, they installed X11-haskell? [14:59] cylux: Yep [14:59] Alright [14:59] cylux: I'm curious as to why it failed for you but worked for me :-/ [14:59] Any way for me to check to make sure it all went smoothly? [15:00] piroko: I tinkered a bit, slamd64 over here. [15:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-177-55.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:00] cylux: Ah ok. Yeah, check /usr/lib/ghc-6.10.1/X11-1.4.5 [15:00] If it exists, you're good [15:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-84-127.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:01] lf4: and you can't move the icons to the left? [15:01] cylux: Alternatively, ghc-pkg list will show it if you have it [15:01] (Probably better to use the latter as this will make sure it is registered with your version of ghvc [15:01] *ghc [15:02] ghc-pkg list shows x11-1.4.5 [15:02] Is that it? [15:02] Cabal as well, actually. [15:02] Yep [15:02] Sweeet [15:02] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [15:02] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:03] BP{k}: Yeah I can I was just wondering why it might do that it was vary strange. Hopefully it wont reset when I reboot the system this is a fresh install of 12.2. [15:05] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [15:05] lf4: hmm if you turn on the "applet handlers", does it show what the empty space is on the left? (and can you move icons there?) [15:05] piroko: Odd, xmonad is giving me the same error. [15:06] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Is there anyone running -current that gets a result from `locate iomanip.h` ? I think i may have broken this box during upgrade [15:06] that should be part of gcc-g++ package [15:06] cylux: That isn't right... [15:06] It didn't have anything there, best way to create that would be moving the applet handlers over to the far right and then moving each icon to the right. It was just a blank space in the panel. [15:07] I'm going to reboot and see if it comes back or stays the way I set it now. [15:07] hiptobecubic^: try reinstalling the gcc-g++ package.. [15:07] cylux: All the script is doing is what you did :-/ [15:07] piroko: Hmm [15:08] Meh I did it by hand [15:08] Whatever works. That is really odd though... [15:08] This is why I don't like 64bit :P [15:08] Lol [15:08] piroko: So I just installed it but it's not coming up in xwmconfig menu [15:08] LifeForce4 (n=LifeForc@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [15:08] upgradepkg --reinstall gcc-g++ [15:09] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) left irc: "testing" [15:09] cylux: That's because there's no supplied script for it [15:09] Oh.. [15:09] cylux: Just edit your .xinitrc to run xmonad instead of whatever wm you're currently running [15:09] cylux: Or if you want to be really cool, make your own and put it in /etc/X11/xinit ;) [15:09] djshotglass (n=dextro@d216-232-234-123.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] how does one tcpdump all taffic but their current ssh session so it doesnt just go ape shit printing stuff [15:10] piroko: By default, is xmomand just a blank screen? :P [15:10] Yeah it is [15:10] Alt+shift+enter brought up xterm :p [15:10] Sweet, got it working [15:10] >.> [15:11] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:11] cylux: http://pohl.ececs.uc.edu/~jeremy/xmonad.hs << my config if you want some inspiration [15:11] Hehe thanlks [15:11] thanks* [15:13] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [15:14] cylux: np. Feel free to ask in pm if you have any questions. I'm also in #xmonad [15:14] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] piroko: Will do [15:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.29) left irc: "Leaving" [15:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-84-127.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:18] xmonad eh? [15:19] Necos: Yes. It is the world's best window manager (r) [15:20] heh, I just noticed a process running called "glock_workqueue" [15:20] Nick change: wamty -> elops [15:21] wondering if there's also a "smithnwesson_workqueue" :) [15:21] haha [15:22] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Darn it lol dont you love when you forget to create a dir but edit fstab lol [15:24] how do i tell irssi to hilight the word 'descartes' when it appears in the message, not when it appears in the mask [15:24] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl11-181-52.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:24] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) left irc: "rebooting xP" [15:25] /q filter "descartes" hilight [15:25] :( [15:25] heh [15:25] frankly.. I don't know nooper [15:25] I haven't configured any filters like that [15:27] anyone knows if slackware makes dns cache ? [15:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:28] nooper: /hilight -word descartes ? [15:28] DeeeeP: Slackware comes with dnsmasq installed, but not enabled.. it will do caching [15:29] dnsmasq do cache then [15:29] piroko: that is what i have. it hilights the word 'descartes' as it appears in the guy's nick [15:29] ok [15:29] thanks [15:29] nooper: Ah right. Hmm... [15:29] test piroko [15:30] Hmm... I tried with +mask. No good [15:30] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [15:30] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:32] nooper: There's trigger.pl [15:32] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:33] i'll try that [15:34] thanks [15:35] -line will highlight the whole line... [15:36] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [15:36] sergio__ (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: "..." [15:42] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:43] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [15:44] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.36) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:44] oh crap... what's the thing for OOo that lets you open pdfs? [15:44] elops (n=ktebit@94.187.93.10) left ##slackware. [15:45] File -> Open [15:45] ;) [15:45] . [15:45] Does slackware have a built in VNC deamon? [15:46] LifeForce4, if I'm not mistaken, I think kde has something for that. [15:46] I think it's more for the user account itself tho [15:46] Yea, I don't know that kde's is a machine-centric offering [15:46] fortunately, Xorg has all the facilities you need already built in. [15:47] Alternatively, tightvnc and such work [15:47] Nick change: heri0n -> joomin [15:47] tried that and it asked me about ascii filters ; ; [15:47] I was checking out the xorg files and settings and saw port 5900 thats why I asked. [15:47] 5900 is for remote X servers [15:48] Nick change: joomin -> heri0n [15:48] 5900 is for vnc as well... [15:49] ^^^ yep 5800 and 5900 are VNC standard ports. [15:49] i'm laggin bad >.<; [15:50] and yes, they are standard vnc ports too [15:50] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:50] and i made a typo... it's 6000 for remote X [15:50] I dont know about remote X servers but it sounds pretty much the same as like VNC/RDP [15:50] x116000/tcp #6000-6063 are assigned to X Window System [15:50] oh [15:51] ls /var/log/packages | grep libvncserver [15:51] If you'rerunning -current.. I believe that libvncserver is tied to KDE4 [15:51] and quite possibly X [15:51] interesting indeed [15:51] However, I didn't confirm that [15:52] Humm that is interesting. [15:52] Anyone try KDE4 with the new stable 12.2? [15:53] Necos, http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport [15:53] haven't tried it yet so ymmv [15:54] / [15:54] "Native PDF forms are not yet imported." huh? [15:55] wtf is a native pdf? [15:55] no idea lol [15:55] Action: fred assumes that native binds to , not [15:56] aren't they all? [15:56] djshotglass (n=dextro@d216-232-234-123.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: [15:56] hmm and it only works with beta [15:56] as in a form in a PDF that in the pdf is described as form, not just a row of underscores, saying "fill in the blank, print it out, and sent it to us" [15:56] eg in html the difference between "________________" and "" [15:57] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [15:57] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] lawless (n=lawless@125.27.163.152.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] hi [15:58] ah, that makes sense fred [15:58] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:58] it's a pity that pdf2* packges I've come across are so basic [15:58] MrDusty (n=dusty@217.155.141.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] ok for grabbing unformatted text but that's about it - or so I've found [15:59] MrDusty (n=dusty@217.155.141.46) joined ##slackware. [16:00] clear [16:00] lawless, hi [16:00] god this is pissing me off [16:00] dive hi [16:00] Necos, what exactly are you trying to do with it? [16:01] hsoj (i=josh@im.a.lushie.org) joined ##slackware. [16:01] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl4-245-65.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:02] dive: how to enable many windows in Bx? [16:02] is there any way within rc.inet1.conf to add aliased interfaces (e.g, eth0:1)? I looked at the rc.inet1 script, and it does not appear to transverse the IPADDR further than the first level [16:02] lawless, no idea [16:02] <-- irssi [16:02] hello happy slackers [16:02] cool [16:02] just modify the pdf lol [16:02] well, if i could export everything, then it's not a problem [16:03] rki (n=rki@unaffiliated/rki) joined ##slackware. [16:03] pdf2txt will grab text. kpdf allows saving images and copying text [16:03] LnxSlck: Hello there! [16:03] hello piroko [16:03] hmm pdf2ps maybe [16:04] and just my luck it's a goddamn image :( [16:04] i'm guessing with the lack of any answer, that the answer is no =/ [16:04] kpdf should allow you to save images [16:04] hsoj: yes aliases are supported [16:04] kpdf hmmm [16:04] There's even an example in the default .conf file [16:04] alienBOB: what's the syntax? i'm not seeing it anywhere [16:05] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Success [16:05] IPADDR[0] IPADDR[1] are multiple actual interfaces (e.g, eth0 eth1) [16:05] hsoj: look at this copy: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/rc_scripts/other_rc_scripts/slackware-12.2/rc.inet1.conf [16:05] Search for "Set up an IP alias" [16:05] Shuren (n=Devilman@host62-170-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] ahhh, using the ifname [16:06] ty for the eye opener ;) [16:06] i'm a moron :) [16:06] Does the ATI 8.593 driver have any issues with slackware? [16:07] alienBOB: you wouldn't happen to have a similar trick for wrapping around the nicer "ip addr add" would you? :p [16:07] how can i find wich package brings libmcrypt.so.4 ? [16:07] all the sudden it got removed from my system [16:08] that would be the 'libmcrypt' package [16:08] LnxSlck, grep libmcrypt.so.4 /var/log/packages/* [16:08] only recently added to -current [16:08] libmcrypt.. php stuff? [16:08] good day all, ty for the help alienBOB [16:08] teach a man to fish Fred ;p [16:08] hsoj (i=josh@im.a.lushie.org) left ##slackware. [16:08] dive, thanks [16:08] Dominian, yep [16:08] dive, nothing there.. [16:09] dive: that only hits installed packages anyway :p [16:09] well he didn't say it wasn't installed :P [16:09] i just realized that i could actually just copy the image from AR... [16:09] He didn't say it was :p [16:09] LnxSlck, package browser [16:09] and paste it in to gimp [16:09] thanks guys [16:09] fred: as long as Pat does not use ip tools the rc.inet1 will not change much I guess [16:09] i got it working [16:10] fred, thanks [16:10] LnxSlck: bout time! hehe [16:10] ;) [16:10] slackware network init ftl [16:10] LnxSlck, http://packages.slackware.it/ search by filename [16:10] straterra fttroll [16:10] dive, thanks [16:11] does slackware support ipv6 in the init scripts yet? [16:11] don't think so [16:11] or wait [16:11] nakhle (n=nakhle@94.187.93.10) joined ##slackware. [16:11] my brain isn't working due to the heat in the office >.> [16:11] my first linux was slackware 3.0... [16:11] what kernel was that btw ? [16:12] straterr1: if your network is setup properly, it will autoconfigure anyway. [16:12] dunno...check a mirror? [16:12] fred: fttroll = pretty great. I may steal that off you as well :D [16:12] that's so long ago it didn't have a kernel [16:12] fred, only if you use RA [16:12] if you use dhcpv6 it wont..or want to use static... [16:12] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-84-220-163-188.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [16:14] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Action: Dominian prepares to get slammed by storms [16:14] Already have client T1s bouncing due to power flux [16:15] That sounds like a lot of fun! [16:15] oh yes [16:15] ? [16:15] Dominian: loves it. [16:15] if it works he's sad. [16:15] Dominian: for some reason I thought you were canuck? What kind of storms are you looking out for? [16:16] thunderstorms [16:16] win is picking up [16:16] d [16:16] had a weird power cutoff earlier - like for a few millisecs - reboot cable tv box but didnt affect anything puter related thankfully [16:16] acidchild: bah.. I had it when something doesn't work :P [16:16] :P [16:16] er.. [16:16] Action: eviljames misses thunderstorms [16:16] hate [16:16] anyone upgraded kernel through slackpkg ? [16:16] eviljames: at thist ime of year.. I don't mind rain.. I had the cells that come through.. produce tornados and straight-line winds. [16:16] LnxSlck: I never do that [16:16] LnxSlck, yes [16:16] I always yank it down and installpkg it.. not upgradepkg it [16:16] dive, after that, you need to change lilo? [16:16] on my -current test box [16:17] whoa... I just found an old slackware .tgz package someone made, where everything's owned by a user called "wizard" (including /, /usr/, /usr/bin/...) [16:17] Urchlay: haha [16:17] Urchlay: probably from linuxpackages.net is my guess [16:17] Action: fred assumes "wizard" was '1000' on the person's system [16:17] LnxSlck, no because that box didn't use a custom kernel - but you do need run lilo after [16:17] dive, you use the huge kernel there? [16:18] nah, a site full of little Linux games, that normally doesn't have slackbuilds or packages, just this one game does have a (very bad) tgz package [16:18] LnxSlck, if I had a custom kernel on that box I would have checked lilo and symlinks in /boot [16:18] ok [16:18] LnxSlck, yeah I think its the huge one [16:18] bleah, and I just noticed, the binaries are installed in /usr/local/bin too [16:18] ok [16:18] LnxSlck, just remember to run lilo [16:19] but slackpkg will tell you that [16:19] Dominian: actully really digging archlinux =P [16:19] dive, yes.. but i think i need to change the files inside lilo [16:19] lawless (n=lawless@125.27.163.152.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: "BitchX: the ONLY bug-free client" [16:19] acidchild: hehe [16:19] acidchild, it's pretty great [16:19] acidchild: I'm still working with openSUSE [16:19] :) [16:19] mainly because of the Factory repo for KDE [16:19] LnxSlck, if you have a custom kernel? [16:19] same with arch :-) [16:19] Action: fred wonders why slackpkg install-new isn't working for him :| [16:19] dive, i'm not sure wich kernel i'm running [16:19] arch is based off of crux.. what is crux based off of? [16:20] uname -r ? [16:20] LnxSlck, -name -r [16:20] Dominian: mr hanky [16:20] =] [16:20] hehe [16:20] dive, 2.6.28.8-smp [16:20] dive, is that the generic? or the huge? [16:20] arch is a little strange [16:20] I think that's the huge kernel [16:20] LnxSlck, you have just updated with slackpkg and have not yet rebooted? [16:21] LnxSlck: ls -al /boot/vmlinuz [16:21] Dominian: crux isn't based on anything. it was built from the ground up [16:21] dive, i haven't installed through slackpkg [16:21] ok [16:21] and it appears the crux linux page is dead [16:21] Dominian, /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.29.1-smp [16:21] fred: for a Slackware install? Or slamd64? [16:21] LnxSlck: there's your answer :) [16:22] nakhle (n=nakhle@94.187.93.10) left ##slackware. [16:22] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-84-220-163-188.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [16:22] Dominian, but that was changed by me when i upgraded from 12.2 to current [16:22] fred: did you run "slackpkg update" before? [16:22] LnxSlck, then check lilo, run lilo, reboot [16:22] Dominian, so i'll have to do it again after slackpkg installs :) [16:22] Dominian: i doubt the project died, but the website appears down, yes [16:22] LnxSlck, er check lilo.conf I mean ofc [16:22] yep [16:23] LnxSlck, best bet if you use a custom kernel is keep in as vmlinuz-xxxx-custom or so and have that in lilo.conf, then upgrading with slackpkg won't touch it [16:23] maginot (n=maginot@proxy.inmetro-sc.gov.br) left irc: "guts" [16:24] dive, that's a great idea [16:24] LnxSlck, but then you probably wouldn't be upgrading kernel if you have a custom ;) [16:24] right [16:24] i have the custom kernel [16:24] that came with the install of slack [16:24] er than that's not custom [16:25] by custom I mean you downloaded kernel from kernel.org and installed it yourself from source [16:25] oh [16:25] no [16:25] i have the kernel from the install [16:26] right that's not custom then [16:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:26] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:26] so run lilo and reboot after install/upgrade should be all you need to do [16:26] ok [16:26] thanks [16:27] i'm upgrading my kernel to see if it will fix my atheros wireless card [16:27] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] LnxSlck, I found some success with ath5k and -current kernel [16:28] no longer need madwifi, but I've heard there are problems using it as AP [16:28] alienBOB: slamd64-current not-yet-uploaded, and yes [16:28] Action: fred does it the old-fashioned way first then will look into it on his laptop [16:29] granted he doesn't forget packages this time around [16:29] dive, i have a AR242x atheros card [16:29] Dominian: hmmmm? [16:29] hehe [16:29] dive, it shows up, i can change essid and so.. but it won't see my AP [16:29] LnxSlck, mine is some netgear that I forget the model of [16:30] LnxSlck, well the ath5k in 12.2 kernel didn't work at all for me [16:30] but in -current it's fine [16:30] dive, with me was the other way around [16:30] i mean [16:30] no [16:30] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [16:30] i had it wrking with ndiswrapper [16:30] LnxSlck, it's still in development though so it's like 'try it and see' [16:31] LnxSlck, you didn't use madwifi? [16:31] madwifi for atheros [16:31] dive, no.. not back then [16:31] dive, i used the ath5k [16:31] from the kernel.. no luck.. [16:31] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.29) joined ##slackware. [16:31] then i used ndiswrapper and got it working [16:31] now with current, not even ndiswrapper works [16:31] or madwifi [16:31] thank god I no longer have to use ndiswrapper [16:31] LnxSlck, modprobe ath5k? [16:32] dive, it's already loaded ;) [16:32] dive, the thing is, i do iwlist wlan0 scan and it can't see my AP [16:32] hmm well there is a wireless kernel mailing list - you might get help there [16:32] where ? [16:33] LnxSlck: ifconfig wlan0 up and then iwlist wlan0 scan ... does that make a difference? [16:33] nope [16:33] AzalynX_ (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:33] iwlist only works with the interface up [16:33] hr. Anyone know, is there a wget option that will make it print only the filename(s) it saves file(s) to? [16:33] but i keep getting the wlano link is not ready [16:34] like if I wget http://whatever/blah.php?foo=bar, it may redirect me to /foobar.pdf, wget will save to foobar.pdf (or foobar.pdf.1 if it already existed) [16:35] in a script, I need to know exactly what file(s) wget actually created (in a directory that probably has other files in it already) [16:36] (and yes, I know I can say -O whatever to force the output filename... but that's not useful for this purpose) [16:36] --dry-run [16:36] i think [16:36] LnxSlck, majordomo@vger.kernel.org - send 'subscribe linux-wireless' as subject and body [16:36] Necos: no such option [16:37] i want my hostname to be kfc.kernel.org [16:37] LnxSlck, hopefully that will work. If not the link should be up on madwifi homepage [16:37] dive, thanks [16:37] LnxSlck, might need to be 'subscribe linux-wireless ' [16:38] ok, i have to see if i can get this card working [16:38] hm, "wget -nv" almost does what I want... still have to parse its output though [16:38] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] damn, i guess not Urchlay [16:41] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.171.157) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Urchlay, I didn't read all of what you were talking about, but can curl do what you need ? [16:43] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.110) joined ##slackware. [16:43] web server using custon 404 page, I try to wget a nonexistent file, and wget gets redirected to 404.html and downloads/saves that [16:43] Soul_keeper: perhaps. I don't know curl all that well... [16:44] http://imagebin.org/45356 lol! [16:44] I can tell wget not to follow redirects, but the same script needs to be able to be redirected e.g. downloads.sourceforge.net/whatever will redirect to one of the mirrors, this is normal [16:44] holy crap [16:45] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.166) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Pig_Pen: I think I know that kid's dad.... he's the guy who got fired from the grocery store because he got caught screwing a watermelon [16:46] LnxSlck, do you have any modprobe options for ath5k? [16:46] loool [16:46] dive, ath5k gets "inserted" at boot time [16:46] LnxSlck, yeah but you can still have options in /etc/modprobe.d/ [16:46] (not joking, this really happened, when I had a job putting up stock... this guy disappeared one night, he had snuck into the produce dept, made a hole in a watermelon, and was caught in the act...) [16:47] LOL [16:47] LnxSlck, might be worth doing 'modinfo ath5k' and seeing if there are any you can change [16:47] dive, not sure what i would be looking for.. the card seems ok [16:47] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:47] LnxSlck, is it loaded as a module or built-in? [16:48] dive, haven't checked.. i'll boot into my new kernel.. and be right back [16:48] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: [16:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:49] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.118) joined ##slackware. [16:49] testing, am i Pig_Pen ? [16:49] no [16:49] my darn internet keeps breaking [16:49] i r breaking it [16:50] who is that guy? keeps coming in here calling himself Pig_Pen? [16:50] that nerd at my ISP keeps taking his finger off the button [16:50] rki_ (n=rki@145.100.193.232) joined ##slackware. [16:50] nix_chix0r, iz in your puterz breaking your internetz [16:50] yesh [16:50] god what a load of zzzz [16:51] OH FUNNY ... so my internet after 3weeks is now working. and it's super cloudy [16:51] they said my internet wasnt working because of the weather hahahaha twats [16:51] cloudy? [16:51] i have satelite [16:51] sounds like Wales [16:51] there is goes again [16:51] testing [16:51] Nick change: cylux -> cylux-laptop [16:52] testing 123 [16:52] rki (n=rki@unaffiliated/rki) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:52] THEJACKAL (n=THEJACKA@88.254.237.197) joined ##slackware. [16:52] in Wales in the lowlands they bury the cables, and in the highlands they put them on pole. Makes sense? [16:52] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@189.31.239.236) joined ##slackware. [16:52] eg flood in lowlands, high winds up hills [16:53] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:53] pointless [16:54] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl4-245-65.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] luckily I don't live in Wales but I have a friend who does, and moans whenever the weather isn't sunny and cloudless skies [16:54] winter is fun [16:54] so wales is like minnesota [16:54] no idea [16:54] weather wise [16:54] that's what happens here [16:55] is minnesota full of sheep-shagging hillbillies? [16:55] southern minnesota yeah [16:55] cos that's Wales [16:55] plus the snow and fucked up random weather [16:56] hi all [16:56] Hi Bruce Willis [16:56] Your movie was on last night, I changed the channel. [16:56] can i ask a question? [16:56] You only get one. [16:56] And that one counts. [16:56] Sorry. [16:56] is it anything to do with sniping? [16:56] if the highlands has rocks & hard rocky soil it does [16:56] winds too [16:56] testing [16:56] http://imagebin.org/45356 nix_chix0r did you see this [16:56] it is the latest in baby fashion [16:56] woah Pig_Pen major lag out [16:57] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [16:57] Would anyone happen to have a slackbuild for xmobar? [16:57] damn, my brain is drawing a blank as to how to install plugins in openoffice... [16:57] yeah [16:57] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl4-245-65.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:57] anybody can help me? [16:57] Necos, that plugin was only for 3.0.2 beta anyway [16:57] http://imagebin.org/45356 nix_chix0r did you see this, it is the latest in baby fashion, all the cool babys wear this [16:58] Pig_Pen, its your baby ? [16:58] no [16:58] THEJACKAL: as long as you do not ask your question we will not reply [16:58] well some of us will ;) [16:58] lol [16:58] my two boys are teenagers, one graduates high school soon [16:58] geez the baby is squirmin around in his bassinet. that kid is gona be walkin at an early age he was already trying to crawl and he's a month old next week [16:58] allright then here is the question i have usb slax whic is really useful but i have a problem with it it just breaks down so easily what should i do about it? [16:59] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [16:59] kerchung [16:59] THEJACKAL: we do not support SLAX here [16:59] THEJACKAL, I think if your question was actually about slackware we might help [17:00] aha ^_^ [17:00] If SLAX is unstable you should ask your question in the SLAX forun on slaxk.org [17:00] one thing, Slax runs as root and in a fat32 filesystem, theres your answer [17:00] nix_chix0r, been a month already?? [17:00] i figured it out [17:00] are they different? slax and slacware [17:00] dive, wednesday marks a month:D [17:00] Of course [17:00] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:00] nix_chix0r, wow it seems like yesterday.. [17:01] i know and i look back at his pics from the hospital at how tiny he was now he's plumped up and ready to start running marathons it seems [17:01] yay [17:01] ok guys thnx ... [17:01] i now get about 5hrs between feedings so at night i get a little more sleep [17:01] nothing worng with healthy kids [17:01] THEJACKAL (n=THEJACKA@88.254.237.197) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:02] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Connection timed out [17:02] Linus (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.166) left irc: Client Quit [17:02] slax is ok in a pinch for rescue and maintenence, but not as a main working OS to do your daily work & play in [17:03] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [17:03] slax is still slackware based ? [17:04] Pig_Pen: I beg to differ [17:04] I've managed to get by with slack install cd and gparted [17:04] Pig_Pen: For 6 months I used a laptop that the hard drive was non-existant in.. Slax as the cd.. usb for configuration.. worked a charm [17:05] Dominian: pushing the boundaries ;) [17:05] a live CD is not writable so you dont have to worry about it getting cracked reboot it and you have a fresh install, a usb for config is ok (sort of like /home) [17:05] I have cygwin on usn stick - need to get a howto about that one of these days [17:05] s/usn/sub [17:05] usb [17:05] jees [17:06] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] dive: it worked wonderfully actually [17:06] no reason why it shoidn't [17:06] NetrixTardis (n=leoem@stealth3.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:07] Nick change: rki_ -> rki [17:08] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [17:10] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] othermindszine (n=othermin@194.sub-75-216-187.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] hmmm inksacape [17:10] *inkscape [17:15] tis be good stuff [17:16] something very sexy about graph paper though [17:16] mmm I liked it [17:16] been a while though [17:17] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Shuren (n=Devilman@host62-170-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Hey I have heard people in here say it is bad to rsync to slackware current. Is this true? If so what is a better way? [17:21] Really? [17:21] Who says rsync is a bad thing? [17:21] braj (n=braj@vil35-1-82-67-119-5.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] adrenaline: maybe your question should be typed a bit differently [17:28] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:28] good evening ladies and gentlemen :-) [17:29] hi macavity [17:29] hello, gentle man. [17:29] hello guys [17:29] hey LnxSlck :) [17:29] hey antler [17:29] antler: i think you should get a seccond oppinion on that one from my GF ;-) [17:30] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:31] macavity: um, what you two do behind closed doors is none of my business! ;-) [17:31] who says the doors are closed?!? [17:31] is he playing with the pickle slicer again? [17:31] just broadcast it to internet , ok ? [17:31] :D [17:32] DeeeeP: any particular requests? :P [17:32] nullboy: nope.. the leather crane ;-) [17:32] nah [17:33] missionary, boring. crane style, quite fun. [17:34] yeah right [17:34] Sorry AlienBob. I was told a while back that if I rsync to slackware current and upgraded packages from there that was bad. No real reason was given. [17:34] i'll take it how i can get it [17:34] if you are good with it I am good with it [17:34] nullboy: haha [17:34] adrenaline: i highly doubt someone said that was bad [17:34] I think the person who told me that said I should upgrade only the stuff that is needed [17:34] i rsync to a mirror and then set slackpkg to use my local pull... [17:35] adrenaline: who told you that? no one here said that [17:35] adrenaline: if you upgrade you upgrade it all [17:35] I am pretty sure it was here [17:35] adrenaline: there is nothing wrong with keeping a rsync mirror of Slackware-current [17:35] adrenaline: then i must have been some misunderstanding [17:35] i/it [17:35] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) joined ##slackware. [17:35] This would be the only place I ask slackware questions [17:35] nullboy, could be [17:35] But installing individual -current packages onto Slackware 12.2 system is bad practice [17:36] oh maybe I got that backwards.That is why I am double checking thanks for the advice [17:36] well going the other way is bad too [17:37] Wait I remember I mean not who it was, but why it came up. I wanted someones rsync script [17:37] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] They said don't use that [17:37] don't use what [17:37] an rsync script [17:37] Nick change: panzer -> Panzer [17:37] adrenaline: the smart and knowing people are not always the ones talking here [17:37] true [17:38] Using an rsync script is never bad. It matters what you want to do with the results [17:38] wait would be wrong with pulling off a mirror using rsync and then using your local copy for upgrades? that actually one of the best ways to do it [17:38] cool [17:38] That is what I will do [17:38] are you sure you weren't on dalnet or something? [17:39] Mirroring slackware-current is only relevant if you want to _install_ slackware-current or upgrade _all the way_ to slackware-current [17:39] and it makes it easy to play with the sources and scripts too [17:39] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [17:39] ... [17:39] individual package upgrades may lead to problems though [17:39] s/may/will/ [17:39] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:40] Cool I feel better [17:40] i need to do a full 12.1 -> 12.2 upgrade at some point [17:40] Necos: consider install-from-scratch [17:40] is it really that bad? [17:40] Not at all [17:40] But it will clean up your system [17:41] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [17:42] i was gonna slackpkg --clean-system then upgrade, and reinstall [17:42] reinstall as needed [17:42] don't forget --install-new then [17:42] Philadelphia (i=bno@118-168-237-106.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] it's not -- [17:43] true [17:43] heh. Anyone use netbsd pkgsrc? funniest command ever: "make clean-depends" [17:44] lol [17:44] nullboy, you know what i mean =p [17:44] That is hilarious [17:44] install-new then [17:44] lol, to those that dont know, "depends" are also the name of adult diapers for the incontent [17:44] ah [17:44] lulz [17:45] i see [17:45] Necos: well yeah but people new it might try it [17:45] and then come back here and say 'omgz you told me bunk that doesn't work" [17:45] lol [17:45] fair enogh [17:46] it was conceptual talk... [17:46] adrenaline, to be honest - and this is only my imo - I would use slackpkg and not worry about keeping an rsync mirror [17:47] i need to put a disclaimer on stuff like that i guess... [17:47] How do you use slackpkg to upgrade? [17:47] start by reading the config files for it, and the man page [17:48] then when you have a problem ask a real question in here [17:48] ok [17:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] uncomment a mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors then slackpkg update, slackpkg upgrade-all, slackpkg install-new, slackpkg clean-system (the last command WILL wipe out all your custom/non-stock packages) [17:49] it will not automatically do anything [17:49] no it will ask [17:49] slackpkg clean-system will ASK you [17:49] gotta hack it up to only print the package list, as opposed to removing everything (for my purpose at least) [17:50] That's sweet. I didn't know slackpkg had a clean-system feature. I was about to code one of my own! [17:50] man pages are handy [17:50] the clean-system argument is good for getting any 'removed' packages out of an upgraded system [17:51] dive, haha. I've never even used slackpkg [17:51] . [17:52] I prefer to read the upgrade docs and do it manually tbh [17:52] but in preparing a system for an upgrade, it's usefull [17:52] saves having to reinstall a load of packages [17:54] should be a app to check all packages , all files in -current [17:56] j0z (n=UNIX@189-11-88-99.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:56] isn't that what we are talking about though? [17:56] slackpkg does just that [17:56] how would it know which are yours and which you are old slack version? [17:56] DeeeeP, I see where you're going [17:56] because if you install your own packages you should differentiate the package names from stock packages [17:56] slackpkg doesnt do that [17:57] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [17:57] you don't need to do it on both ends....if you know what is stock then you know what is not [17:57] check md5 for example, to each file on each package [17:57] and the chances are that when you upgrade you may need to recompile/install your own packages anyway [17:58] uva (i=bno@118-160-174-15.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] if i add FOO to my stock slackware install i make the package name foo-1.2.3-i686-1_RAS.tgz [17:58] if you keep the slackbuilds.. [17:58] then i can clearly see what is added and what is stock [17:58] SBo uses SBo [17:58] nullboy, yes but still if you do a major upgrade you *might* need reinstall your own pkgs anyway [17:59] or not [17:59] some will work but not all [17:59] nullboy has no package, he's a she. [17:59] i understand that but slackpkg handles this [17:59] exactly [17:59] braj (n=braj@vil35-1-82-67-119-5.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [18:00] anyone who follows current and keeps up to date with that tree saw this exact issue with kde4 update [18:00] slapt-get and swaret aren't used anymore? :| [18:00] Azalyn: are those on the install media? [18:01] no comment nullboy ? :O [18:01] Action: dive explodes [18:01] must be true :P [18:01] Nick change: nullboy -> nullgirl [18:01] i didn't know that any package management was on the install media. [18:01] hey baby [18:01] hehe [18:01] Nick change: nullgirl -> nullboy [18:01] omfg, so hawt [18:01] wtf [18:01] Azalyn: slackpkg and all of the pkgtools come on the media... [18:01] Azalyn: ?? [18:01] detactable penis! [18:01] i missed that one [18:01] of course there is package management [18:01] Slackware has it's own package management tools [18:02] nullboy: yeah, i knew of pkgtool [18:02] not slackpkg though [18:02] slackpkg does dependencies? [18:03] no, you do [18:03] orly? [18:03] oh lawd i'm going to explode! [18:03] nullboy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55_WEK8X8Yo [18:03] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Azalyn: package management != dependency checking [18:04] apparently slackpkg was in extras in 9.1 and starting with 12.2 it's in the main tree. [18:04] we know ;) [18:04] alienBOB: yeah, i know the difference, but many would argue that dependency resolution is an important feature of modern package management, hence it's usually implied. :| [18:04] especially with ones that install from online repos. [18:04] IMO it is not an important feature [18:04] here we go [18:05] so i just naturally assumed. [18:05] yes, and slackware exists for those of us who disslike such crap :) [18:05] the downward spiral [18:05] "took it back home, washed it off, and PUT IT BACK ON!" [18:05] lol [18:05] Well this is Slackware channel where we like to check on dependencies ourselves [18:05] TurboBee (i=pdb@animounted.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:05] acidchild: lol [18:05] detachable peennnisss [18:05] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@189.31.239.236) left irc: Success [18:05] thrice`: Yeah, I thought it was dislike of anything other than pkgtools though, not specifically dislike against dependency resolution. [18:05] :P [18:05] Well, that too [18:06] Azalyn: actually, slackpkg calls pkgtools functions [18:06] yeah, i know it does. [18:06] Azalyn: 'ldd' is slackwares dependency resolution. [18:06] OK :) [18:06] most dependency-resolving package managers usually call a more basic tool. [18:06] like yum using rpm. [18:06] acidchild: except when 'ldd' isn't enough, then it's 'lsd' [18:06] yeah LSD works great. [18:07] The Slackware package format does not have dependency information, so any tool trying to implement dependency checks is only a crude hack [18:07] Azalyn: you can't get much more low level than 'ldd' [18:07] =P [18:07] i imagine some epic long list of programs and their deps that some script has to parse at Mach 17 [18:07] apart from maybe LSD, where you use your minds eye. [18:07] alienBOB: aren't there multiple, mutually incompatible hacks that try to add dependency stuff? [18:08] if ldd was run automatically, that wouldn't necessarily have to be a *crude* hack! :P [18:08] seen some packages with "install/slack-requires", which looks like such a hack to me... [18:08] we could just call it a clever one. [18:08] Action: acidchild doesn't understand Azalyn [18:08] wait a second...how does ldd help you with prebuild deps? [18:08] ... [18:08] it doesn't. [18:08] nope [18:08] who said anything about building deps? [18:08] I don't know, someone else mentioned ldd. [18:08] :| [18:09] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host106-13-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao!" [18:09] ./configure tend to check for deps. [18:09] but pkgs tend to be pre-built, no? =P [18:09] make does too [18:09] wel... when it fails? [18:09] rofl [18:09] lol [18:09] can someone please come up with a virus that only pwns BT leechers who "forget" to seed when done? [18:10] why not just pwn BT? [18:10] i want their files corrupted, kkthxbai [18:10] with a massive 4TBps Syn/ACK flood? [18:10] ACK/SYN (sorry) [18:10] but the problem with "dependency management" is that sometimes becomes too convoluted [18:10] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:10] *sometimes it [18:10] configure a tracker so their download does not finish until they seed 100% of what they downloaded [18:11] Azalyn, first of all anything that is in stock slack packages will have deps there also, 2nd if you go to slackbuilds.org most people list deps and they should also be found on slackbuilds.org, third - you have a pkg that isn't in those then you make a slackbuild and submit it :) [18:11] yeah, especially with something that has lots of optional libraries it can use, but doesn't have to [18:11] I never had problems using just source code building. [18:11] Necos: Linux is just a epic failure, lets go back to installing all deps over and over... for every program like windows? [18:11] so we always have to download 40MB programs [18:11] I never used slackware's packages back in the day. :| [18:11] the problem with dependency management is that people dont use dlopen() nearly as much as they should... [18:11] I always just built from source. [18:11] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426051.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] or something like that would probably have to be built in to the BT client itself [18:12] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] Pig_Pen: good idea.. [18:12] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.118) left irc: "Leaving." [18:12] the redhat solution is to build something like sendmail with every possible optional library under the sun (kerberos, sasl, ldap, etc etc), meaning you need all that stuff installed, whether you plan to use it or not [18:12] dive: I wasn't making a criticism. heh [18:12] Urchlay: opening up 100 posible avenues for a security breach. [18:12] =] [18:12] yeah [18:12] Azalyn, I didn't think your were [18:12] Urchlay: that is exactly why i hate package managers with automatic dependency resolution [18:12] Pig_Pen: i'm really liking pacman as part of archlinux. [18:13] Urchlay: as i said.. the source should be written to use dlopen() [18:13] pkgsrc pwnz too :-) [18:13] I was just curious, I had been under the impression that pkgtools was all there was. [18:13] dlopen(macavity); [18:13] Azalyn: strictly speaking they are... slackpkg is just a wrapper around them [18:13] awe, my kernel just epic failed and layed a coredump poop on my lawn :-( [18:14] i like Crux, nice minimal distro with just bare bones dependency resolution [18:14] lol [18:14] Pig_Pen: indeed. [18:14] acidchild, nice [18:14] Azalyn: anything like slapt-get, swaret, etc should be killed to death... repeatedly! :P [18:14] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:14] acidchild, now get out and scrape up the mac [18:15] haha, seen ATFH? where carl's poop are radio active and burn though the ground? [18:15] slapt-get is not all that bad, just use with an authorized/official slackware mirror [18:15] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@201.35.46.32) joined ##slackware. [18:15] pkgsrc on Slackware is nice, so long as you don't follow that silly set of directions that tells you to overwrite your base packages with pkgsrc versions [18:15] but the thing with prebuilt packages like sendmail, etc... is that if you remove the package, the PM wants to run in reverse... [18:15] and all the dead animals they have killed over the years come back as humping zombies? [18:15] <3 ATHF [18:15] macavity: as i mentioned before, technically all the tools are wrappers... although it's true that the packages have metadata, but feh. whatever. [18:15] i think it was nullboy that pointed out what happens if you try to uninstall python on a fedora 10 system lol [18:16] is that the one with the talking meatball, french fries & soda cup? [18:16] yep [18:16] acidchild: whats ATHF ? [18:16] Necos: it uninstalls everything that uses python, include the package manager itself? [18:16] Aqua Teen Hunger Force. [18:16] a Adult Swim thing... [18:16] something like that Urchlay... it's retarded... good thing it asks you _BEFORE_ it runs amok [18:16] robot chicken is so gnarly [18:16] the only thing i really like on adult swim is Robot Chicken, the Oblongs was good too but they discontinued it [18:17] Robot Chicken rocks [18:17] oblongs was awesome [18:17] I loved the robot chicken FF7 parody [18:17] Have you seen The Mighty Boosh? [18:17] thats going on Canadian Adult swim soon... fucking awesome (well worth downloading) [18:17] acidchild: yeah sucks [18:17] one episode of it... truly weird show [18:18] lns40: you just don't get the 'in homor' [18:18] they even parodied one of the glitches in the game [18:18] its very cultural. [18:18] lol [18:18] i can barely stay awake to catch an hour of adult swim, i get sleepy and go to bed by 10:00 or 10:30, rarely do i make it past 11:00 [18:18] humour* [18:18] more like in tumor [18:19] what do you not like about it? [18:19] and where in the world are you? [18:20] is there a way to browse the repository that slackpkg uses online? [18:20] ftp.slackware.com ? [18:20] different strokes for different folks or something like that... you know, the show with the midget version of gary coleman... [18:20] haha. [18:20] there's a full-sized version of gary coleman? [18:20] Urchlay: lol [18:20] i don't know :) [18:20] Philadelphia (i=bno@118-168-237-106.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:21] Azalyn: you tell it where you want to pull packages from [18:22] Azalyn: man slackpkg and also look in /etc/slackpkg/ [18:22] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp132159.salley.fsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:24] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Connection timed out [18:25] j0z (n=UNIX@189.31.236.165) joined ##slackware. [18:29] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:29] anyone know any good applications for ebay? [18:31] like making RSS from a search term? [18:31] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.5) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Action: lns40 gets the it crowd season 3 [18:34] i wish they had more episodes. 6 episodes per season is a bit low [18:35] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@201.35.46.32) left irc: Connection timed out [18:35] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@189-11-95-133.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:35] ananke: I agree, [18:36] ananke: yeah :| [18:37] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [18:38] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7395.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7395.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:45] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:45] j0z (n=UNIX@189.73.30.141) joined ##slackware. [18:45] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:46] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [18:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] lns40, good choice [18:47] lns40, waiting for season 4 [18:47] dive: hehe yeah should be nice :) [18:48] if there is one.. [18:48] filiberto (n=filibert@189.174.139.177) joined ##slackware. [18:54] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:54] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@189-11-95-133.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:55] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@201-66-109-43.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:55] I've been trying to get the ATI 8.593 drivers installed but keep having a problem and its annoying because there is no readme that I can refer to even though it says. Any tips on getting the driver working? [18:55] http://www.pastebin.ca/1391122 [18:55] bigeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:55] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:55] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] I saw that show on hulu the other day, but didn't watch it...might have to now :) [18:56] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Floops (n=baihu@ipv6.floops.info) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:57] LifeForce4: looks like lines 15 & 16 in your pastebin have the answer for you [18:57] thrice`, hulu? [18:57] honolu;lu tv? [18:59] XAVIER (i=440e41d4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-24f857ba254476d7) joined ##slackware. [18:59] Pig_Pen: I tried and it gives me an error about inserting it. [18:59] http://www.pastebin.ca/1391126 [19:00] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:00] hm, an error about inserting it. did you blow it up first? :P [19:00] monstro (i=monstro@187.10.66.87) joined ##slackware. [19:00] here is what dmesg gave me. http://www.pastebin.ca/1391128 [19:01] hahaha antler yeah but it popped. [19:01] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:01] bigeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:02] LifeForce4: did you build a custom kernel? and do you have your kernel source available? i know nvidia's module wont build unless the kernel source is available for it and ATI might be the same [19:03] cylux-laptop (n=user@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:03] maybe the soldiers in Iraq will make a stop in Somalia and kill a few pirates on the way home soon [19:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:04] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:04] No I have not built my own kernal yet just running the 2.6.27.7-smp that comes with 12.2 [19:04] NetrixTardis (n=leoem@stealth3.com) joined ##slackware. [19:04] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Connection timed out [19:05] maybe try this LifeForce4, install the kernel source from the slackware CD, then try installing your ATI thing [19:05] j0z (n=UNIX@201-89-242-15.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:05] Alright, :) did that change with 12.2 that the kernel source was not installed with a full install? [19:05] Pig_Pen, with some luck they will decide to manage ship lanes again in every area [19:06] Pig_Pen, used to be up to us and USA but who knows now - cruch crash... [19:06] s/cruch/crunch [19:07] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl4-245-65.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] if you ask me i think it should be a requrement for mariners to be able to handle weapons like machine guns & rpgs [19:08] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:08] ed___ (n=ed@92.23.12.20) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Hey [19:08] Yea, we better not let the Somalis defend their waters from illegal fisherman, or toxic dumping from the Eastern European block! [19:08] cargo ships should be able to defend themselves & prevent piracy [19:08] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Pig_Pen, for most merchant seaman that would be nigh impossible to enforce - but of course they could employ personel [19:09] lol, what's all this business about pirates lately? Is this one of those things where we go and take military action on the weakest anemy possible? [19:09] that's a very hard thing to enforce [19:09] if i was a mariner i would not get on a ship and sail international waters without being on a well defended ship, (machineguns & rocket launchers) [19:09] And by the way, I don't have a clue of what I'm on about [19:09] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-7aae87dc6c451fec) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-8e45b8daabb1de58) joined ##slackware. [19:09] why can't the pirates and defenders all agree to use old fashioned pirate weapons like cutlasses? [19:09] grazymax (n=grazymax@host242-157-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:10] would make much better entertainment for the rest of the world... [19:10] Urchlay: YES that is a good idea [19:10] Pig_Pen, are you kidding??! [19:10] if they use guns, they have to be brass cannons [19:10] What keymap do I give xorgconfig for an ancient laptop with 64 mb RAM sold to a school by a silly company whose slogan is 'We only make computers for education' ? [19:10] hell no! [19:10] I want to see some cannons firing at ships. [19:10] Haha [19:11] i am not afraid of a bunch of dirtbags on a small boat with AKs & RPGs if i can shoot back with good weapons like a M50 machinegun, & RPGs [19:11] ed___: what are you trying to accomplish? just get normal typing and such to work, or trying to get some fancy "media keys" to work? [19:11] Pig_Pen, my father was in the merchant navy during WWII and even they din't have that sort of firepower [19:11] I didn't even know about all this pirate stuff until I went to fill out papers for my new job. [19:11] Urchlay: Normal typing [19:11] No worthless fancy crap [19:12] Also, I don't have a clue what the horizsync of this thing is [19:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] grazymax (n=grazymax@host102-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:12] nor vertsync [19:12] ed___: not sure, did you try xorgconfig ? [19:12] That's what I'm using [19:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:13] hmm, could be some oddball proprietary hardware [19:13] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [19:13] ed___, the pirate thing is quite simple, their gov collapsed a while ago, people have been taking advantage of them, so now they have lots of vigilantes that we call pirates, and the "pirates" are not exactly as selective on their targets as we may like [19:13] well most all hardware is [19:13] Pig_Pen, but the thing they *did* have was royal navy ships patrolling the trouble areas - and thats the thing that i slacking imo [19:14] edman007: That's a really decent summary. [19:14] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@201-66-109-43.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [19:14] :) [19:14] well thanks edman [19:14] I've given up with politics these days [19:15] ed___: the default keymap doesn't let you type? [19:15] You may want to mention that in Somalia the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the populace, as they're the only way that the coastal waters are defended at all.. [19:15] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Dunno yet Urchlay, I can't start X yet because I haven't been able to make it use my DE with xwmconfig :( [19:15] not having an effective government is no excuse to start pirating other nation's ships, fuck somalia's pirates i hope they all go to davy jones locker soon [19:15] Interesting. My tempfs is full. [19:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@201-89-14-240.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:15] And it doesn't like being given TWM because I don't have xterm and probably a whole lot of stuff [19:15] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:15] Pig_Pen: What about the much more serious violations of dumping nuclear waste into another country's sovereign waters? [19:15] I manually did a core install of zenwalk you see [19:16] From a standard CD >< [19:16] Pig_Pen, same here but pirates have been a problem for centuries - it's not just suddenly starting [19:16] ed___: ugh, how can you live without xterm?! [19:16] Pig_Pen: No worry about that, eh? [19:16] yeah.........right eviljames that makes it ok to be a pirate [19:16] Will my monitor explode if I give it a bad vetsync or horizsyn c? i'ts from around 198 [19:16] Pirates have not been a problem for centuries, that was entirely manufactured by the crown in England [19:16] grr [19:16] 1998 [19:16] Doesn't anybody read history? [19:16] yes i know about GBs privateers [19:17] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [19:17] if you're running X via startx, try "echo 'exec my_wm' > ~/.xinitrc" (replace my_wm as appropriate...) [19:17] Thanks [19:17] . [19:17] they pirated Spain's gold ships that stole gold from the incas and other native people's they made slaves out of [19:17] if it's kde you're wanting to run, I think the command you need is 'exec startkde' [19:17] What about exploding monitors? [19:17] Nah lxde :) [19:18] monitors haven't exploded in years [19:18] How many years? [19:18] lol [19:18] THis one's from 1998? [19:18] it's a laptop anyway, only CRTs were ever capable of exploding [19:18] Yay! [19:18] Pig_Pen, the issue is that due to a collapsed government they have no way to make official complaints in an international forum, so they have resorted to a navy by the people, and they have no one to control their navy [19:18] I love IRC... [19:18] xwmconfig works too [19:18] I feel human again [19:19] the last monitor I saw that could be damaged by bad sync rates was made in like 1988 or so (most anything newer, has smarts to shut down the CRT and/or display "bad sync rate" on screen) [19:19] Ah, well not for me on my custom zenwalk install [19:19] Pig_Pen: Right, so Spain enslaves a nation and robs them of their riches. Yet the complaints are about the pirates... [19:19] Never seemed to work on Zenwalk anyway >< [19:19] not my concern (about somalia;s problems) if they start pirating other nation's ships eventually they will have to suffer the consecquences [19:19] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] kill what you want me to, take what's left and eat it" [19:19] That's sad. [19:19] they will [19:19] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [19:19] "I just want to whine about what CNN is reporting at the moment, not the actual issue.." [19:19] eventually someone will take action [19:20] eviljames, and what are you doing about the issue? [19:20] the world is just too damn big for me to care about everything that's going on in it [19:20] if i lost everything and ended up homeless would it be ok if i steal food and clothes? [19:20] hiptobecubic: What little bit I can, but I simply don't have the resources to be of much help. [19:20] my brain would self-destruct if I let myself feel bad for everyone who's in a bad situation [19:21] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:21] Pig_Pen, you might di that whether you think it's right or not [19:21] Yeah same here Urchlay [19:21] s/di/do [19:21] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:21] I troll people about terrorist attacks IRL [19:21] at least for food [19:22] why doesnt the UN babysit Somalia until they pull their collective heads out of their ass and form a strong effective government & police the criminals that have taken over? [19:22] When I upgrade to -current and see that changes_and_hints.txt is talking about some new users/groups. Do I just create them myself, or is there another step to it? [19:22] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [19:22] hiptobecubic: I think just creating them should be enough [19:22] Pig_Pen, if the police were gone and i stole your stuff, would you fight me when i came into your house? because i'll just claim i was mugged [19:22] And I get this holier-than-thou cow to get hissey pissey in History because I'm incompassionate, obnoxious, offensive, blah, buzzword, nonsense concept, *lol* [19:22] I like to remind people that, to the English crown, the American founding fathers & such were "terrorists"... not that I'm in favor of suicide bombers or hijackers, but I don't like the way the word "terrorist" seems to short-circuit most peoples' critical faculties [19:22] Pig_Pen: The UN won't babysit Somalia because the USA isn't interested. [19:23] if you came in to my house? do to what? [19:23] Pig_Pen, i like your computer, i'm going to take it [19:23] XAVIER (i=440e41d4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-24f857ba254476d7) left irc: Client Quit [19:23] you wont get that far, if the wife or my oldest son does not put a bullet through you i would [19:23] Murderer [19:23] you belong in jail [19:23] lol [19:24] self-defense != murder [19:24] Pig_Pen, so then its ok to attack people? [19:24] besides, he might just shoot you in the kneecap and you'd live [19:24] Pig_Pen, because thats exactly what the "pirates: are doing [19:24] Urchlay: He wasn't defending himself, he was defending a machine. :D [19:24] self defense in my state, oklahoma has a law that i can kill anyone that enters my house unauthorized [19:24] hiptobecubic: you can just create them yourself; make sure the uid/gid match up [19:24] bs [19:24] defending his property and possibly his and his family's life (you break into his house, how does he know you're not a serial killer instead of a thief?) [19:25] Pig_Pen, well i claim that its not your house, because your local government is gone [19:25] If I "defend my home" from the police SWAT team raid, do I get away on 'self-defense' ? [19:25] and as such you attacked me unprovoked [19:25] Oh! Right. [19:25] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Connection timed out [19:25] if there's no government or laws, it's anarchy, and he can shoot you and there are no legal consequences [19:25] well if there is no government then the police wont do anything eiter [19:25] either* [19:25] (of course, your surviving friends/family can hunt him down and shoot him, too...) [19:25] Pig_Pen, i got a military on my side, you don't [19:26] j0z (n=UNIX@200-96-5-32.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:26] a military? [19:26] Yea [19:26] In edman007's parallel, it's a country with a military vs. a country w/o a government [19:26] lol! bring it on badboy [19:26] :D [19:26] And no serious advocates on the international stage, outside of a few protest groups [19:26] rworkman, ok thanks. Let's give it a shot. You wouldn't also happen to know why gcc-g++ no longer includes backward/iomanip.h would you? [19:27] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.5) left irc: "leaving" [19:27] hiptobecubic: no idea on that. [19:27] Is it needed? [19:27] monstro (i=monstro@187.10.66.87) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] i am going to be quiet for a while and let people solve their PC/Linux/Slackware problems :D [19:28] heh [19:28] this is stupid - the world is under the foot of the IMF, TWO and the WORLD bank, who stamp their authority on the so-called 'free market'. It's bullshit and you are arguimg about nothing [19:28] monstro (i=monstro@189.111.21.13) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Nah I find this fun [19:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:28] hm, does anyone have anything they recommend for USB sniffing? (about to try to reverse-engineer a USB device that only has windows drivers) [19:28] dive: I've given up on politics [19:28] dive is mostly right [19:28] Urchlay: If you find resources on that, please pm me, I'd be interested as well. [19:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:29] It's not a bad thing to be a turnip farmer, but to be a turnip farmer pretending to be a King is bad. [19:29] there's one in libusb [19:29] eviljames: the only thing I know is that the closed-source version of virtualbox has full guest USB support... so I guess I'd use that + windows + some windows USB snooping software [19:29] Necos: for windows? [19:29] for linux [19:30] unfortunately my device only works in windows (which is why I'm even talking about this, want it to work in Linux) [19:30] there is no 'free market' - it's a finite world with finite resources [19:30] rworkman, i'm trying to build id3lib from sbopkg and it can't find it. `locate iomanip.h` confirms it's not there, but Necos has it in an older version of gcc [19:30] Urchlay: iPod touch, right :D [19:30] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:30] nix_chix0r, after winrar told me some .rar wasn't really one, I tried file and saw it was a movie, so I tried mplayer and dogs really have a knot :D [19:30] rworkman, is user oprofile supposed to be in group oprofile? [19:30] yes [19:31] eviljames: nope. This: http://atarimax.com/sio2pc/documentation/ (the USB version; the RS232 one works great already) [19:31] hiptobecubic: based on the amount of stuff I've built with -current's gcc, I suspect that it's a bug in id3lib [19:32] hiptobecubic: have you just tried commenting out the #include line in whichever source file(s)? [19:32] rworkman, i've also had no problem with other builds... [19:32] is possible the functions that used to be declared in are declared elsewhere now [19:32] Urchlay, wouldn't that alter functionality? [19:33] no... unless it fails to compile without that line, of course :) [19:33] also it isn't it's "iomanip.h". it's in c and i _do_ have iomanip for c++ [19:33] urchlay, look at perl's Device::USB [19:33] ah. I missed the first bits... [19:34] bluejeans (n=bluejean@63.150.132.130) left irc: Connection timed out [19:34] Necos: that looks like it'll be good for prototyping my driver... but will it help with snooping the traffic from a windows driver? [19:34] acidchild: i have that song stuck in my head now [19:35] i would suspect so :) [19:35] it allows you to read directly off the port [19:36] eh, hmmm. So install the windows version of perl + Device::USB, plus the windows driver for the device, and write a perl script to read the raw port I/O? [19:36] exactly [19:37] wonder if that'll work with virtualbox [19:37] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@201-89-14-240.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:38] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [19:38] remember you can also write back to it [19:38] yeah, but I won't have any clue what to write, until I've observed what the windows driver writes... [19:39] I might be better off with the regular C libusb, probably it's better documented [19:39] well, Device::USB links to libusb (which is why i mentioned it in the first place) [19:40] but either way, you can just MITM all the transactions, since it's going over USB [19:40] rworkman there is a conflicting package between sbo and -current. The mediaplayer Goggles Media Manager (gmm) and then c++ generic matrix template (gmm). [19:40] right [19:40] of course none of this can happen for real, until the thing actually gets here :( [19:41] Urchlay, what are we hacking? [19:42] weird little serial device, one end has a USB port and the other end has an Atari 800 SIO port, in the middle is an FPGA under a blob of epoxy I think [19:43] I just want to passively observe the raw USB traffic between it and a PC running the windows drivers/software for it. Knowing what I know about the Atari SIO protocol, I can probably figure out what's going on [19:44] so I guess what I'm looking for is the USB equivalent of tcpdump :) [19:44] ah [19:44] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7395.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] usb-momitor? [19:44] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:44] kernel mod [19:45] dive: could that work, if I'm running the windows driver in virtualbox? [19:46] mm dunno - I would think you would something that works in windows then [19:46] What is the standard practice when two packages have the same name? How do you determine what's what? [19:46] *would need [19:46] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:47] dive: right. The guy who makes the device originally claimed he was going to release sources to a libusb-based driver, but he never got around to it [19:47] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE7395.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] (cause he also sells the windows software... his profit margin is way higher on the software than on the hardware, so he doesn't want us Linux/Atari folks buying just the hardware... or anyway that's my interpretation) [19:49] if was were selling anything i wouldn't care who buys what [19:49] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [19:49] Floops (n=baihu@ipv6.floops.info) joined ##slackware. [19:49] sQuEE` (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:50] it's the razor-and-blades business model [19:50] er, well, not exactly [19:50] (you only buy the software once, it doesn't wear out like razorblades do, but upgrades do cost money too, if you want new features...) [19:51] I just read that Linus uses fedora and likes gui installs, has he ever run slackware, why wouldn't he like slackware, isn't it more pure? He says he likes dependancy checking and pre-compiled packages, I thought he would compile from source...and Fedora really, I guess a while ago he used SUSE. RMS uses a vanilla kernel with emacs, thats it!!! [19:51] because it's a personal preference and opinion? [19:51] ... [19:51] monstro (i=monstro@189.111.21.13) left irc: "Leaving" [19:52] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:52] well, he wrote linux, so I just think Fedora kinda blows, I ran it since FC1, I haven't used it lately, what are they up to 10? [19:52] pirving: who cares? he writes the damn kernel [19:52] dependency checking is great when it works. If you knew it was going to work, i'd use it too. [19:52] eh, when you've accomplished the things Linus Torvalds has accomplished, you can consider criticizing his choices... [19:52] pirving: you just demonstrated exactly what i said [19:52] you think Fedora blows, whatever. Linus likes it [19:53] grazymax (n=grazymax@host102-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:53] until then, you probably should assume he has good reasons for whatever he does [19:53] stop trolling and find something better to do, kthxbye [19:53] the starter of a revolution can be blown away by progression.. [19:53] Necos: HEX, HEX I'm just asking a question douche bag [19:53] MrDusty (n=dusty@217.155.141.46) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:53] grazymax (n=grazymax@host58-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:54] dive: I wish Ben Franklin had been cryogenically frozen in the early 1800s, would like to thaw him out, let him see how the government works now, and hear what he says... [19:54] we run slackware... the question isn't relevant [19:54] obvious troll is obvious [19:54] pirving: Linus invented Linux, he can run what ever distro he wants with my blessings. [19:54] email linus if you wanna know [19:54] pirving: eh, normally when you're trying to avoid getting into an argument, you don't call people a douchebag... [19:54] again, stop trolling, kthxbye [19:54] Necos, that's the right answer right there. [19:55] Urchlay, maybe but I'm not that up on american political history [19:55] pirving, Just ask him. [19:55] Urchlay, so will atke your word for it [19:55] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [19:55] dive: neither are the politicians who get elected in this country [19:55] lol [19:55] word [19:55] up [19:56] bluejeans (n=bluejean@63.150.132.130) joined ##slackware. [19:56] in any case, i'm out for the rest of the day... laters folks [19:56] bye [19:56] I don't trust ay politician so ... [19:56] Necos, bb [19:57] aesonn (n=aesonn@c-66-177-4-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE7395.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [20:01] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7395.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:04] i was so stoked to hear about the navy getting that cpt out of the pirates hostage situation [20:06] heck yeah [20:06] operating operators saved the day [20:06] ;) [20:06] eh? operating oprators? [20:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.98.188) joined ##slackware. [20:08] operating operators on operative operations [20:08] here's an idea from the old Dr. Who series [20:08] oh right [20:08] lol [20:08] there was this planet, they'd elect a president... every couple weeks, he'd give a speech saying what he planned to do [20:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [20:09] at the end, everyone on the planet would vote (they had "yes" and "no" buttons under the TV) [20:09] the president's chair was actually an electric chair [20:09] if the majority voted "no", he'd get fried right then & there on national TV [20:10] kinda barbaric, but it would certainly cut down on the bullshit quotient [20:10] that's prety dumb cos most people would vote 'no' just to see him frie :> [20:10] or fry even [20:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [20:11] well yeah [20:11] Urchlay, actually, yes, but the reason it works is because you can't become corrupt in a week, and thats what we really need for goverment, very high turnover and very short terms will basically eliminate corruption [20:11] also I think the elections turned out to be rigged by slug-looking aliens [20:11] and what episode was that? i don't think i saw it :( [20:11] usual dr who then [20:12] edman007: on the other hand, if the terms were too short, the new president doesn't have time to learn to do the job well [20:12] edman007: "Vengeance on Varos" I think it was called [20:12] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.80) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:12] with Peter Davison as the Doctor [20:13] Urchlay, yea..you are right, IMHO i think 2 years max for any gov position would be good...what we really need to do is get rid of the senators and such that keep getting reelected for a lifetime [20:13] yeah, maybe limit all elected officials to 2 terms, like the president [20:13] yea [20:13] 2 terms of 2 years each [20:13] though i think 8 years is still a bit long [20:14] also, abolish the concept of lobbyists [20:14] 4 years max for pres and congress would be great [20:14] pay reps and senators well enough that they don't need bribes [20:15] and strict rules with mandatory impeachment if they do take bribes [20:15] yea [20:15] but at the end of the day it's still big corporations control the gov so it matters not much [20:15] Action: edman007 dreams [20:15] when have you ever had a president did well and saved your country? [20:15] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:16] dive: they ought to be honest. Senators should just refer to each other as "the distinguished gentleman from Disney" or whatever [20:16] i woke up at 9am today, drank a bottle of water and went back to sleep until 2pm [20:16] it's juts all f u c k i n g b s [20:16] dive: all politics is bullshit, in every country. We're not unique in that respect... [20:16] it's bucking fullshit [20:16] ed___ (n=ed@92.23.12.20) left irc: "leaving" [20:16] grazymax (n=grazymax@host58-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [20:17] at the end of the day: imf, wto, world bank... controls all [20:17] and I'd rather have our current system than the old european style of having a king and a state religion [20:17] dive, see the thing is power corrupts, the key to preventing it is to just limit it, if the terms are short enough it wouldn't be feasible for the big corporations to bribe people, they wouldn't have enough time to follow anything through [20:17] or an emperor [20:17] and under them are the oil industries et all [20:17] grazymax (n=grazymax@host233-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:17] s/all/al [20:17] dive: yeah man, just wait until the *real* world bank gets going [20:18] when the world has a single currency [20:18] haha ok [20:18] and if you put very low limits on time, they won't care about themselves, because they won't be around long enough to vote on stuff that effects them directly (like they wouldn't care about next election, because they can't have two) [20:18] oh yeah, a single currency... because "one size fits all" always works out so well [20:18] dive: the lizard people man. the lizard people. [20:19] nullboy, no maynard keynes [20:19] Illuminati [20:19] in 1948 [20:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] we're all dead already! don't worry about running [20:19] doomed [20:19] we need a common trade currency - ok let's let use the gold [20:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:19] which is owned by usa [20:20] and changed to the dollar [20:20] who gets the benfit? let me guess [20:20] the US dollar hasn't been based on gold in almost 100 years [20:20] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Urchlay, more like 50 IIRC [20:20] er no I'm not saying that [20:20] currently, US dollars are money because the government says they are (fiat money) [20:20] greetings and salutations [20:20] hi andarius [20:20] salutations dive [20:21] Urchlay, the worlds trade currency was set as the gold standard in 1948 [20:21] Urchlay, and usa owned most of the gold [20:21] the bigger problem with politics is issues of policy are so complex most people dont use logic when voting [20:21] cos of WW2 [20:22] but rather emotions [20:22] and emotions are easily swayed [20:22] dive: and you're implying "the US gets the benefit", but really it's "bankers and fat cat CEOs in the US"... the rest of us americans are being ripped off just as much as your country is [20:22] Urchlay, I'm not blaming normal us people [20:22] fair enough [20:23] It's always the big corporations [20:23] and I bet the UK and Euro banks have a lot to do with it [20:23] martian67: sometimes emotional responses are important. e.g. the world's shock, horror, and outrage when the nazi concentration camps were discovered. No amount of logic can "fix" that situation [20:24] nod__ (n=nod@err50.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:24] but over the banks exists the imf, two and world bank [20:25] I look to look at national debts - it is strange that all these countries have national debts - who do they owe? [20:25] martian67: also don't forget the influence of religion (for better or worse)... which maybe falls under the category of "emotion" too [20:25] Urchlay, not saying its not important or irrelivant [20:25] but logical thought should be the primary mover of decisions [20:25] rather than greatly secondary [20:25] heh, the US national debt is such a huge number that it doesn't even seem real. It's like Dr. Evil's "million zillion dollars" [20:26] watch the zeitgeist movie, especially the last part about the "Debter nation" [20:26] As of April 7, 2009, the total U.S. federal debt was $11,152,772,833,835.89 [20:26] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:26] wow. why bother keeping track at that point :P [20:26] dive, mostly private corporations [20:26] and china [20:26] martian67: unfortunately the vast majority of people don't think that way, and don't even have the basic education or common sense to understand your point of view [20:26] each other [20:26] the most powerful country on the planet.. owes it to who? [20:28] martian67: you can only convince an idiot with a carrot and/or a stick... and if you have ethics at all, you're at a disadvantage (your opponents will lie, promise the impossible, blame everything on terrorists, etc etc, and if you're relying on actual facts and logic, you never get a chance to be heard for all the noise) [20:28] dive: it owes a few men [20:28] Urchlay, idioitc elitist viewpoint [20:28] *idiotic [20:29] martian67: what, my viewpoint? I'm not being elitist... an elitist would consider himself part of the elite, and above the common masses. I want the whole world to be educated well enough to be part of the "elite" [20:29] if you really think the common person is that much 'dumber' than you [20:29] you need to take a look at things you dont understand [20:29] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:30] no, I didn't say I was any smarter or better [20:30] you implied it [20:30] Action: andarius owes himself a cookie :P [20:30] very strongly [20:30] well I didn't mean to [20:30] irrelivant [20:30] I'm fully aware that I don't understand the world [20:30] its apparent in either case [20:30] my cookie is not irrelevant [20:30] andarius: i made you a cookie, but i eated it [20:30] booo on nullboy [20:31] the only people that really understand the world are the ones up top [20:31] http://www.infobarrel.com/media/image/911.jpg [20:31] humans in large groups act with a kind of lowest-common-denominator herd instinct. Look at how lynch mobs work: almost none of the people in a lynch mob would ever commit murder on their own [20:31] Action: andarius tazes zee cat [20:31] Urchlay, overly simplistic [20:31] Urchlay: safety in numbers [20:31] nice kitty [20:32] and I fully believe the educational system in this country has been manipulated (by accident or design) to produce illiterate people who can't think critically [20:32] crowd/herd dynamics in human groups is really complex [20:32] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Action: antler agrees w/ Urchlay [20:32] it's hard to say since we weren't there at the start [20:33] I mean for crowd/herd [20:33] I don't say I'm somehow better or smarter than the unwashed masses who watch reality TV and vote for their leaders based on how good they look on TV... [20:33] it's as plain as the nose on your face: people are generally dumb [20:33] Urchlay, but again, you imply it [20:33] as you just did now [20:34] I'm just aware of my own stupidity (or potential to act stupidly), and I try to avoid acting that way whenever I can [20:34] Urchlay, we can work out irc [20:34] unfortunately that's not as often as I'd like [20:34] what more proof do you need? ;p [20:34] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:35] when I say "people are generally dumb" I include myself (by definition, I'm a person too) [20:35] Urchlay, you have to define maybe [20:35] (unless you think I'm an IRC bot... to which I could only reply "I wasn't, last time I checked") [20:35] there is a difference between awareness and apathey [20:35] is it like socrates cave? [20:35] do not call people stupid because they do not value what you value [20:36] thats a grave mistake [20:36] and if you havent read that then read it [20:36] gm151 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] dive: yeah, the bit about the shadows on the wall? [20:36] Urchlay, and the rest [20:36] but yeah [20:36] martian67: "stupid" isn't a good word for what I mean... "ignorant" and maybe "uneducated" [20:36] aesonn (n=aesonn@c-66-177-4-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [20:36] although not too uncommon among nerdy types [20:37] yeah 'stupid' is too broad. they are infidels [20:37] plenty of traditionally "smart" people get suckered into really stupid things (like communism) [20:37] a lot of different ways of being smart aswell [20:37] plenty of brilliant people basicly have no idea how to take care of themselves or deal with the real world [20:37] yeah [20:37] in an effective productive way [20:38] sadly, our society encourages people to be that way [20:38] (by accident or design, I really dunno which) [20:38] stupid is as stupid does. --forrest gump [20:38] define society [20:38] ill agree with you there [20:38] lol gnubien [20:38] grazymax (n=grazymax@host233-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [20:39] still think idocracy is one of the best films ever [20:39] antler: ice melted and spring arriving there yet? [20:39] "society" as in the common attitudes of the people in this country (or perhaps, the perceived attitudes: what do I know about anybody I haven't met, except what I see on TV? do I trust CNN/Fox/etc to tell me the truth, then?) [20:39] dive, i though it was over-presumptious, pretentious, and condecending [20:39] yeah, Idiocracy was great [20:39] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:39] not what i would call one of the best films ever [20:39] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:39] gnubien: yeah, sorta. it got warmer the last few days, but was quite cold today [20:40] martian67: it's a comedy and a piece of social satire, not meant to be realistic. I loved it [20:40] antler: which province do you live in? [20:40] martian67, it was one of the comedies I could actaully enjoy [20:40] Urchlay : i'd be interested in how you figure out what the 'common attitudes of the people in this country' is. based on what data? [20:40] uva (i=bno@118-168-233-55.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] martian67: no offense, but you seem quite detached from society and the common man [20:41] ananke: read the 2nd part of what I said. "The media" figures into it heavily [20:41] gnubien: alberta beef [20:41] mooo [20:41] when i was up in canada last month i had my fair share of Alberta beef [20:41] grazymax (n=grazymax@host68-157-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:41] some attitudes like "murder is bad" aren't really held by everyone in society, but they're coded into the laws... [20:42] (of course, everyone, even the hardest hardcore thugs, thinks murder is bad if they're the victim...) [20:42] Urchlay: sounds like this is moving to the age old debate of where did our cultural morals come from [20:42] Urchlay : i don't think that the population in general is any more dumb than it was in the past, which is what you seem to be implying [20:42] 'society' is a given. can't talk about anything related if we have to start defining it. [20:42] there is a difference between murder and kill [20:43] ananke: depends how far back in the past you go, and who you include in the general population [20:43] Urchlay : what, are we going to exclude women and colored people from that now? :) [20:43] oh man lol [20:43] is this statement true? it's the blind leading the blind in this world. [20:44] no [20:44] no, we're not... but our ancestors used to deliberately not educate them, to keep them from having any sort of rational opinions or power of their own [20:44] we have leaders ? :P [20:44] there is not correct answer to that question, it's a metaphor [20:44] well statement [20:44] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] it's a metaphorical statement about society [20:45] gnubien: where are you again? [20:45] I contend that "the general public" is the target of the same thing now. They don't teach people anything real in public schools (no critical thinking skills), so everyone who goes there is in the same position as slaves were in before the civil war [20:45] antler: florida [20:45] Urchlay : bingo. as a society on average, we are more educated than we were in the past. at the same time, we have the ability to see more of said 'dumb' people than ever before [20:45] antler: lets winter in florida and summer in alberta :) [20:45] gnubien: oh right. you back up cars with both hands on the steering wheel while looking straight ahead. [20:46] Urchlay : i have to disagree. how is physics or math not 'real'? [20:46] some of us may be more educated - more teenage births, lower results in exams [20:46] dude! the proper nomenclature is "less clue-full people" ;) [20:46] antler: many here do, i dont drive a car [20:46] this is not nam. we have rules [20:46] ananke: public schools in the US don't actually emphasize things like physics or math, these days [20:46] Urchlay: I teach critical thinking skills, problem solving as part of my mathematics program in my grade 4/5 classroom [20:46] gnubien: hahah WTF are you doing down there?! :) [20:46] hitest: good! More teachers should be doing that [20:47] :) [20:47] antler: a bicycle ;) [20:47] http://i30.tinypic.com/2cfzloy.jpg [20:47] Urchlay : and why should they emphasise those subjects, and not try to provide an even education? [20:47] nullboy: omfg. i was just thinking about walter... [20:47] sadly, there's too much of the "we must crush all original thought, lest they defy our authority and make us look like idiots" attitude in school administrators [20:48] nullboy: seriously freaky dude [20:48] the other kids don't help either. If you're different from the herd, you get ostracized and/or your ass kicked regularly. If you fight back, you become a "problem child"... [20:48] Urchlay : that sentiment is not limited to USA. you haven't experienced any education in eastern europe during socialism, have you? [20:49] so guys at this point in our discussion can we come to at one preliminary conclusion; Schools: we're doing it wrong [20:49] does that work for now? [20:49] ananke: no I haven't. [20:49] at least* [20:49] dummy down america, you're easier to defraud that way [20:49] nullboy: yeah, I can go with that [20:49] the problem is not with usa, or in education. problem is with _cheap_ education [20:49] ah [20:50] our system is capable but there is an external force at work that applies back pressure to the potentially good system [20:50] problem started when the reagonites nixed usa's conversion to metric ;) [20:50] when you have low paid teachers, overcrowded schools, not enough money for materials, facilities, etc - you end up in said piss poor situation. it's the same around the world. [20:50] it's layers 8 and 9 [20:50] problem is with applying assembly-line or "one size fits all" techniques to education... treating everyone the same, forcing the slower kids to scramble to keep up, holding back the faster kids so they're perpetually bored... [20:51] ananke: yeah. I wish I knew how to actually fix it [20:51] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:51] so maybe over-population is the probem? [20:51] that's why private schools are a valid option, if you want to provide a better education for your children. that money makes big difference [20:52] too many people in low class schools [20:52] unchecked corruption always leads to bankruptsy [20:52] sure, but I have no proposed solutions for the overpopulation problem either :( [20:52] there is no soultion [20:52] well there is one solution, the space rock [20:52] I mean, we could build a big spaceship (call it "the B ark") and launch all the useless people on a long journey to a nonexistent planet (call it "Earth"...) [20:53] kill lots of people :o [20:53] what's the difference between md5sum and md5pass? [20:53] it's a finite planet with finite resources [20:53] kamaji : look at their man pages? :) [20:53] it was going to happen sooner or later [20:53] oh yeah >_> [20:53] md5pass doesn't have one, wtf :| [20:53] then read it [20:53] dive: yah. Which is why I've always believed we need to go make use of other planets (or at least, we need to make a serious effort to start doing so) [20:53] it's a script... [20:53] kamaji: it's a script...read it [20:54] just pass a law that it is illegal to have a baby unless you have a license to breed with strict requirements = high IQ, education, financially capable & etc... [20:54] Pig_Pen : and how exactly would you enforce it? [20:54] Pig_Pen, or 1 child per couple like in china? [20:54] lol, good question ananke [20:54] there are actually people in the world who oppose mining the moon for minerals because it'll "destroy the moon's natural environment"... it's an airless, lifeless ball of rock and dust... [20:55] dive : yeah. they're beginning to feel the effects of that. their male population is getting larger than their female one [20:55] china is turning gay, they need more chinese women [20:55] lol [20:55] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [20:55] Urchlay, mining the moon != expanding onto othe rplanets - it smacks of lets find some way to make more $ out of it [20:56] *shrug* [20:56] was an example [20:56] right [20:56] well as a whole we don't maximize the usage of our own planet's resources yet. [20:56] I know what you mean [20:56] anyway, if we find useful stuff on the moon, or in the asteroids, or in saturn's rings, whatever... we're going to need that stuff sooner or later, cause (as you rightly said) this planet has finite resources [20:57] yes [20:58] nullboy: we could maximize ourselves right out of resources... then we can't make it to other planets because we used all conceivable rocket fuels to generate electric power or whatever... [20:58] but this can also come down to the idiotic way that we have been using this supposedly 'free market' [20:58] Urchlay: that is at least thousands of years away [20:58] we NEED keanu reeves and that bigass robot to come and scare the shit out of us [20:58] at least [20:58] on this planet [21:02] The big fish eat the little fish [21:02] Action: andarius eats a cookie [21:02] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp132159.salley.fsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] Action: dive steals andarius' cookies [21:03] onnomnom [21:03] grazymax (n=grazymax@host68-157-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [21:03] belch [21:04] grazymax (n=grazymax@host63-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [21:04] if the worlds leaders are so competent then how did we get into this financial and ecological mess? [21:05] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:05] cos the worlds leaders are the one's that get off scott free with the dosh and not the ones you read about in the papers/tv? [21:05] aplogies for grammar [21:06] what is dosh? [21:06] money [21:06] cash [21:06] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:06] ah, ok, follow the money [21:06] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:07] Action: antler is glad it won't be in his lifetime when the shit really hits the fan :D [21:07] can you be sure of that? [21:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:07] i'm praying, friend. [21:07] :P [21:07] antler, when do you propose it hapens? [21:07] i just hope the rock hits us while i can still stand under it [21:08] dive: as long as i'm not around, i don't really care :P [21:08] juice (i=1000@67.48.17.171) joined ##slackware. [21:08] it will happen tomorrow, cause some one stole and eated my cookies :( [21:08] great legacy for the kids [21:08] lol [21:09] andarius, don't feel bad - they were nice cookies - want one? [21:10] you mean those uncontrollable medium-sized things that shank for fun and rape the land? [21:10] can i has one :( [21:10] gnubien: ^^ [21:10] you can haz one [21:10] i shall make more and hide while i eated them :P [21:10] okays [21:11] antler: the club of rome decided in 1970 that population control was futile so they decided to let the population expand until it collapses of its own accord [21:11] gnubien, what, you mean no more free condoms? [21:12] damn [21:12] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.171.157) joined ##slackware. [21:12] not that I've used on since 1999 though... [21:12] lol [21:12] a short dry spell? [21:13] er yeah [21:13] only 10 years [21:13] lol [21:13] bleah [21:13] haha [21:13] dive: the bright side is that relative to geologic time, 10 years is unremarkable. [21:13] i need some nan too [21:13] some tang [21:13] nan? [21:14] tang? [21:14] these are words I do not kno [21:14] w [21:14] dive: you putting the pussy on a pedestal? [21:14] sheltered buy [21:14] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:14] boy* [21:14] the only pedestal i put pussy on is my pedestal [21:14] no I just hate everyone [21:15] dive: yeah that happens after a while [21:15] it's called "jaded" [21:15] hahah [21:15] i've known a few jaded people. wow. [21:15] or it could be 'go away you thick pos' [21:16] jaded: Worn out, wearied, or lacking enthusiasm; exhausted; Cynically insensitive; made callous by experience [21:16] sounds like it [21:16] hehe [21:16] I should probbly try harder to er interact [21:17] dive: you sound like an interovert, that is how i am too [21:17] intro* [21:17] loser [21:17] I mean no [21:17] not calling you a loser [21:17] i know [21:18] more people are extroverts than introverts and it's not even that perfectly cut and dry. I like social things but not a lot of it. I like being with 2 close friends, but not a lot of it. [21:19] Nick change: nod__ -> nod_ [21:19] i think we're all bozo's on this bus --firesign theater :) [21:19] lol [21:19] toot toot [21:19] I use to exhibit paintings, play lead guitar, photography... all the extrovert things [21:19] dude! [21:19] a nd then so,ething changed [21:20] those are all introverted activities, expect for the exhibiting [21:20] also so did my typing [21:20] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] hmmm [21:20] well dunno [21:20] but the acts, painting, playing music yourself, photography..those are very self-inspecting activities [21:21] I thought getting up on stage and playing guitar was extro but nvm [21:21] Nick change: nod_ -> nod [21:21] stage yes, but a lot of musicians are introverted. they will do on stage stuff [21:21] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-235-80.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] it's a outlet, it goes back to those little 'doses' of people that introverts enjoy. [21:23] well been a while since I done any of those except put some photos up on net [21:23] nullboy: dive : i realize it's personal, so tell me to 'fuck off' if you want to, but : do you not like to socialize with people? or are you just not good at it? [21:23] antler, fuck off ;p [21:23] rofl [21:23] there's nothing wrong with being introverted. the reason that introversion and antisocial get equated is because from an extrovert's point of view, introverts are being antisocial. [21:23] antler: no it doesn't upset me at all [21:23] antler, can I noobfarm that? [21:23] antisocial and introversion are two different beasts that extroverts easily confuse [21:24] dive: hahah of course :P [21:24] nah cba [21:25] i take that back, extroverts easily confuse --> people easily confuse [21:25] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [21:25] I socialise at times [21:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:26] dive: most introverts do. we just like to do it on different terms [21:26] but I have some friends that like to go out to the middle of town on a staurday night [21:26] danger [21:26] dive: yes, that's not me at all either. [21:26] nullboy: oh ok. so by choice. cool. [21:27] nullboy, it was a beer fest though ;'( [21:27] see i'd go to that [21:27] and i'd get drunk too and walk around and not talk to many people but i would interact with people who talk to me [21:27] it's not antisocial, it's just different than the extrovert approach [21:27] the sort of thing I'd go to normally, until mate said well it will be in such and such pub in town on saturday night// [21:28] grazymax (n=grazymax@host63-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [21:28] i like going to social events but i tend to be a wallflower [21:28] nullboy, this pub is packed out in the week... at weekends forget it [21:29] yeah [21:29] lots of places like that here [21:31] hey all, i'm wondering why i'm having some issues on startup [21:31] we don't know either ;) [21:31] i edited rc.S (after backing it up) so that instead of searching for all LVM and LUKS automatically, i actually specified the commands and partitions [21:32] like when it goes to unlock all LUKS, i specified the one command instead (substituting for the whole script in that section) etc [21:32] why are you doing this? [21:32] i don't have any issues with LUKS [21:32] my expectations are not living up the reality of life; so whats the problem, my expectations or reality? [21:32] because there's only one LVM or LUKS to add, and it makes no sense to run scripts and find them when i can specify them [21:33] gnubien: expectations are the problem. a skewed view of reality [21:33] exactly [21:33] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] nullboy: you cant change the world but you can change yourself --jiddu krishnamurti [21:33] boy howdy [21:33] gnubien: sounds as if you need a new pair of spectacles :P [21:34] and to change yourself you must first learn yourself [21:34] indeed [21:34] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:34] if you do not know yourself, you cannot know your enemy [21:34] so it wouldn't find my stuff automatically, but after cryptsetup, LVM won't "see" the LVM riding on the crypt partition [21:34] but it works fine from rc.local and has been [21:34] enemy lol [21:34] sun tzu [21:34] gnubien, I am trying to be myself, but if I call people to revolt is that bad? [21:34] antler: you got it [21:34] so it's sort of frustrating because it's the same commands but inserted into rc.S instead of the large scripts to auto-find [21:34] observe and you will learn which of your thoughts are false; once seen as false they loose their significance [21:35] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] dive: revolt is ineffective; transformation is [21:35] i'm wondering, is there any specific thing that LVM and/or cryptsetup need that they aren't working in rc.S in the same place that the original slackware commands for such existed? [21:35] antler: the art of war should be required reading material in all computer and business related courses [21:36] TwinReverb: i'm still trying to figure out why you need to do this in the first place [21:36] nullboy: definitely. i find it good reading in general. [21:36] gnubien, I have heard this [21:36] nullboy, i just wanted /home to be mounted as early as possible [21:36] gnubien, since need to work it out better [21:36] nod (n=nod@err50.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] dive: revolt is just the opposite of acceptance, both are ineffective [21:37] gnubien, interesting [21:37] dive: change your mind and you change the world [21:37] gnubien: i didn't know you were into this :) [21:37] the world you live in anyway [21:37] gnubien, right this is the thing I'm trying to get a handle on [21:38] and i'm wondering why i have to mount /home and swap from rc.local in the first place [21:38] dive: read this book? the first and last freedom by jiddu krishnamurti [21:38] gnubien, not yet - I will amazin it [21:39] oh btw anyone use personas in their firefox? i made a slackare linux persona [21:39] antler: irc is one dimensional, not 3d :) [21:39] gnubien: definitely [21:41] antler: my comments usually bring the discussion to a screeching halt :) [21:42] that's ok too [21:42] Humm... after reading so much it seems like the ATI driver 9.3 does not work with the new SMP kernel of 12.2 anyone know how I might get the fglrx module to work? [21:42] give's people some thinking time ;) [21:42] dive: yea, dont worry, be happy :) [21:42] each of our individual realities are rendered based on your own perception of the same external reality. after each of us perceive something in the world we each have a different rendering of the act or scene. if you can allow yourself to perceive reality with a different perspective you can change reality for yourself. the big trick is to help others experience reality with your perception. [21:42] gnubien: i'm still thinking about your comment about expectations. i like it because (for me) it extends to the history of science and kant [21:43] antler: useful techniques for home and office are good [21:43] we do not have individual realities. we have what's in our brain, but there is one reality [21:43] why do I keep putting apostrophes wberywhere now? [21:43] gnubien: not a comment, but your question [21:43] TwinReverb: that's what i just typed..re read it [21:43] dive: just bad grammar :) [21:44] no, i was pointing out that it's not individual realities. there is one reality, everything else is individual interpretation/perception [21:44] i said {individual|external} realities [21:44] yes it is [21:44] TwinReverb: nullboy : it is a fact that there is no objective standard by which to judge that. we can't step outside of ourselves to see how things really are. [21:44] but I know better grammar - I just keep doing it even though/.. [21:44] antler: right but we can try. that is the exercise [21:44] ah yes maybe the wine [21:45] antler, yes there is. we can choose to see things how they are rather than how we perceive them [21:45] TwinReverb: you are confused [21:45] but not all of us are seeking that [21:45] i'm not confused at all [21:45] antler: that 'step outside' is the exercise that people should practice. just like practicing for sports [21:45] antler: scientific observation is observing without naming or suppositions [21:45] I think it is beyond most people to see outside [21:45] gnubien: the student of science brings all those things with him to his field of study [21:46] gnubien: study is not possible otherwise [21:46] it's not beyond people to see outside, it's just that they have not made an effort to do so [21:46] dive: that's why we all should try it and practice seeing things from different perspectives. it's like mental gym [21:46] 2+2=4 regardless of my perception of it [21:47] no, thats 3 :P [21:47] that's not exactly correct though. numbers are an abstracted concept that we overlay to our physical world [21:47] q.e.d. thanks andarius [21:47] :D [21:47] people either choose to go learn / discover what reality is, or they stick to their perception [21:47] antler: if you observe silently without naming or supposition you are outside yourself, the self that is thought, then you can see clearly and maybe discover anew [21:47] the problem with 2+2=5 is that it's not enough just to admit it, you have to believe it [21:48] this is why people can be classified in the Jung personality type model as either sensing (tend to see the world how it is) or intuitive (tend to see the world how it could be / etc) [21:48] and that's getting into the realms of fantasy so... [21:48] gnubien: let me grant that that is possible. even if that were the case, you could never know. [21:48] dive, but you can believe 2+2=5 all day long and that doesn't make it reality [21:48] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:49] TwinReverb, no but the whole point of it was to enforce that belief on people, or at least show how peoples opinion could be changed [21:49] antler: insight occurs when you observe silently without naming or supposition; the insigt is translated by thought into words [21:49] dive, because those people chose to let it be changed. [21:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:49] TwinReverb, don't take it out of the novel [21:51] example: reality is that we exist right now. we may believe that God created the world, or that there was a Big Bang, but in either of those two cases, we were not there to witness it, so we cannot begin to even assume we know which one occurred. hence either is belief: faith. however, one of those may be reality, or may not, but we do not have the ability to truly determine. [21:51] gnubien: too metaphysical. take something concrete such as science. one does not observe (simpliciter), rather one observes through newtonian or einsteinian spectacles or whatever. it is not possible to do otherwise. when anomaly does not fit the paradigm, a number of different things could happen. [21:51] much less even if we did witness it, we must be careful that we do not let our minds read into it (perception) [21:51] brb. gotta hit the feeder. [21:53] antler: how did ppl make new discoverys before newton,einstein or plato? but they did [21:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Bye, Slackers:)" [21:53] but in that example they were making discoveries that slowly led them to a belief that is more in line with reality [21:54] Nick change: alice_c -> alicephilippa [21:55] gnubien, they looked at the world and thought [21:55] am I right? [21:55] but they were trying to figure out how the world (i.e. reality) worked [21:56] dive: observe and discover is insight, they you translate what you discover into words [21:56] s/they/then/ [21:56] I think they were trying to work out what they were experiencing [21:57] you learned words before you could think, didnt you? thought is only words [21:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "shleeple" [21:58] gnubien, I think you learn to discover and think before you learn language [21:58] so my point is our minds have the ability to observe,discover and learn without words [21:58] come on [21:58] what is thought other than words? [21:58] is it - I missed that [21:59] I can't remember that far back [21:59] for example, it's funny how religious people are stereotyped so quickly into being non-scientific when Newton had said before that his goal was to figure out how God made the universe [21:59] dive: nevetheless, you did learn words before you could think [21:59] gnubien, if fire burns, do we need to know thoe words for fire, hot, pain? [22:00] gnubien, that's an assumption [22:00] never heard of babys first word? its usually da-da or ma-ma [22:01] I thought it was usual to cry [22:01] hehe [22:02] but does word precurse thought.. can't say and I would think not [22:02] TwinReverb: words,images,symbols are all memory, thought is the memory words,images,symbols [22:03] gnubien, but you're assuming because you cannot read the thoughts of children too young to talk [22:03] you're assuming you can? [22:03] for example, i had a friend who was japanese, an exchange student. as he started learning english, he said that about 2 years into college he started thinking in english [22:04] right, thought is words [22:04] images and symbols too [22:04] it may be that children before that age have their own "language" in their mind, and then as they learn to speak english or whatever, it changes in their mind [22:04] no. that just means that learning a new language may result in being able to think in that language too [22:04] i'm not assuming i know, i'm hypothesizing [22:04] TwinReverb: what language would that be? [22:04] i dunno [22:05] i think that babies have the framework for language but start with a clean slate [22:05] right, silent mind [22:05] what language is there if a baby touches a flame and find it hurts? [22:05] some language made of gibberish that their mind created? i have no clue. i'm just hypothesizing [22:05] its experience yes but words, no [22:05] but you can't assume they don't any more than i can assume they do :) [22:05] babys have a silent mind so they can observer,discover and learn so quickly [22:05] my point was that we don't know [22:06] dive: that language is pain nerve impulses that tell their brain to move their finger away from the heat. they don't scream ouch, they cry in pain [22:06] nullboy, yes but it *isn't* language [22:06] it's encoded nerve impulses [22:06] right, you react to pull your finger from the flame instead of thinking you must move the finger [22:06] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.98.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.98.188) joined ##slackware. [22:07] gnubien, you react firts maybe, then after that do it with intuition [22:07] or memory [22:07] yes [22:07] but it's not *words* [22:07] it's not language [22:07] words,symbols,images are all memory [22:08] yes it's memory [22:08] let me scroll up [22:08] the human brain has a memory capacity of 5K terrabytes some scientist say [22:09] i really don't think they know wtf they are talking about when they start labeling brain capacity in computing units [22:09] indeed [22:09] so what would you propose, the 'library of congress' unit instead? :) [22:10] gnubien, you are saying that we have the capacity to think without words? [22:10] at least 5PB gives you some kind of rough idea [22:10] nullboy: human brain stores memory in a holographic matrix so its really unknown what the memory capacity is [22:11] dive: no, thought is words,symbols,images from memory; we can observe silently without thought [22:11] gnubien, I think a word is an image the same as any other symbol, but to experience (example) pain through fire will teach us without words [22:12] or that's my belief - not that I've though about it much though [22:12] dive: socrates challenged us to: know thy self [22:13] gnubien, right I'm re-reading [22:13] gnubien: how are discoveries possible? simple. by accident most of the time. no one set out to discover x-rays, for example. when an observable phenomenon cannot be accounted for by an existing theory, then either a new theory is born or the existing one is modified. [22:13] observe [22:13] observe and learn [22:13] yes [22:14] I think I've been misreading [22:14] or misobserving [22:14] ;p [22:14] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [22:15] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:15] thought is the problem and the answer to the problem is in the understanding of the problem --jiddu krishnamurti [22:16] but it seems to me we wouldn't get far without thought - but then on the other hand we are where we are [22:17] right, observe,discover and learn; we translate what we learn into thought so we can communicate what we've learned with others [22:18] so teaching what we observe [22:18] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [22:18] I just write down what I observe if one sense [22:19] teach others to observe and discover for themselves; repeating the experiment and confirming its validity [22:19] and tell others if I feel they need to know [22:19] yes I do that [22:19] or try to do [22:20] dive: if you intend to understand you probably will --jiddu krishnamurti [22:20] "and thus delusions were born" --antler [22:22] What should I set for the "root (x,x)" in the grub menu.lst if I want to have a selection for booting from a CD? [22:22] intent is an attitude, not a goal,image, etc [22:22] better to teach a man to fish? [22:22] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:22] right [22:23] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] LifeForce4: you don't need to edit menu.lst if a boot device selection menu is what you're after. [22:24] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:24] antler: What would you suggest? I am dual booting Slackware 12.2 and Windows XP and would like the option to select to boot a CD as well. [22:25] usually hitting a certain key when the computer starts will take you to that menu, Esc on mine. [22:25] Mines F8 lol [22:25] depends on the bios [22:25] F1 here, F8 on desktop [22:26] give a man fire, you keep him warm for a while. Set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life. [22:26] (^_^) [22:26] LifeForce4, usually if the bios has been set to boot from CD first then just inserting the CD will do [22:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "Leaving." [22:26] Urchlay: punny :) [22:27] LifeForce4, you shouldn't need anythiung in grub or lilo to boot from CD [22:27] dive: My bios is set to boot from CD which is annoying me haha I keep forgetting to take the blasted CD's out. [22:27] . [22:27] gnubien: yup, that's me, a regular pundit [22:27] Action: dive sets fire to Urchlay [22:27] LifeForce4 : you can change the boot order :P [22:27] It was just a nice feature I thought I might add instead of having to watch to press a key and then select from a menu just let it boot to my grub and select there. [22:27] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.29) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Urchlay: while in africa i shot an elephant in my pajamas; how it got in my pajamas i'll never know --groucho marx [22:28] antler: I plan on disabling booting from CD after this. [22:29] LifeForce4: did you get your ATI problem solved? [22:29] :) [22:29] Action: Urchlay rolls a natural 20 and only takes half damage from being set on fire [22:29] Pig_Pen: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/enable-fglrx-module-703590/?highlight=ATI+driver+slackware [22:29] ow! [22:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:29] Urchlay: time flys like an arrow; fruit flys like a banana --groucho marx [22:29] bah [22:29] All the things I have been reading no one has been able to get the ATI 9.3 drivers working on Slackware 12.2 with the new kernel [22:30] gnubien: I did not know banana's could fly. [22:30] you will need to build a kernel then? [22:30] gnubien: you sure that's Groucho? [22:30] mostly [22:30] LifeForce4: "fruit flies like a banana"... as in, the insects calles fruit flies [22:30] flys as well as a banaana does? [22:30] Pig_Pen: Pretty much haha I'll do that in the future now is not the time :) [22:30] s/es/ed/ [22:31] Urchlay: he knows. he was equivocating. [22:31] :P [22:31] lol [22:31] (it's less funny if you gotta explain) [22:31] lots of puns in groucho quotes [22:31] of course [22:31] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [22:31] If I was a fruit fly I would go for pears [22:31] hehe [22:32] plumbs would be mine fruit. [22:32] wth is a plumb? [22:32] it's the thing a plumber installs [22:32] lol [22:32] antler: its what plumbers have for lunch ;) [22:32] computer (n=computer@unaffiliated/computer) joined ##slackware. [22:33] hehe [22:33] lol [22:33] ppl on irc can read thru typos and misspelling very well imho [22:34] is LifeForce synonomous w/ semen? [22:34] y cn prbbly rd ths wtht vwls [22:34] ovum [22:34] antler: Why do you ask that question? [22:34] rchly, np [22:35] LifeForce4: don't be concerned with why [22:35] ;-) [22:35] No haha its not but your the first to try and link that to my name. [22:36] if I was a fruit fly I might go for pears of plumbs [22:36] LifeForce4: eh nothing new. i try to link everything to sex. that's how i remember things. [22:37] Urchlay: I got for the mangos or watermellons ;) [22:37] antler: Ahh I see haha makes sense. :) [22:38] biologic imperative rules! ;) [22:39] so do fly squatters [22:41] hey wasn't that creature that flew around and owned anakin a gnubien ? [22:42] antler: I believe so. [22:42] hahah that guy kills me [22:42] use the farce luke, use the farce ;) [22:42] splat [22:44] gnubien: is that how you were christened? [22:44] gnu bien [22:44] ah hahaha [22:45] since you're sharing.... i originally wanted 'ant' but it was registered. :P [22:46] ants are strong. ants are our friends. [22:46] gm151 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.98.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] yep, unless they get in our pants ;) [22:56] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.182.89.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:05] nati (n=nati@host69.201-252-198.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:05] hi [23:05] can i install slackware 12.1 only using cd 1 ? [23:05] and get a basic system [23:05] yes [23:06] great :) [23:06] im trying to read/copy a file and konqurer says read error and something like md5sum myfile gives "input/output error" [23:06] is this a bad harddrive [23:06] ? [23:12] tank-man : possibly. check what dmesg says [23:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:14] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:17] I have an rsync script here and for some reason EVERY TIME it runs it deletes and recopies a particular group of files, regardless of whether or not they have changed. I can run it, sync everything fine, and immediately run it again and it will recopy those particular files and not the others. Any ideas? http://rafb.net/p/DFiwRd84.html There is the script i'm running. "Andrew W. K./" is the name of the directory that is constantly recop [23:17] ied. [23:19] yea, some kind of error in dmesg. I can't decypher it [23:19] you'd have to show us the output of ls -la, on both source and destination [23:19] tank-man : we can't read your mind [23:19] :) [23:20] going to sort it out after im finished burning a dvd [23:26] computer (n=computer@unaffiliated/computer) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.16.29) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] Haha yes I got it to work :) GRUB boot menu has CDROM now ;) [23:27] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.195.117) joined ##slackware. [23:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:32] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:32] can someone help me decypher this output I have from /var/log/messages after I try to access a inaccessable file http://rafb.net/p/gok8Qn59.html [23:32] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "i have learned many things and grown in many ways, yet i am still 5 ;)" [23:33] Sergio_ (n=Sergio@201009142222.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:33] jayd512 (n=chatzill@96-28-95-153.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] ananke, the source is ntfs and the target is fat32. http://rafb.net/p/IV0x4419.html [23:35] hba (n=hba@189.188.198.98) joined ##slackware. [23:36] ananke, the obvious difference are the owners and perms, but i can't seem to change them and that still doesn't explain why these files are the only ones recopied does it? [23:36] jayd512 (n=chatzill@96-28-95-153.dhcp.insightbb.com) left ##slackware. [23:39] ananke: ever had to deal with a device on a LVM with spurious bad sectors? [23:39] ananke: I had to delete the VG to make everything work [23:39] hba de donde eres ? [23:40] bugger. Why do people keep going "windows is so easy to use, linux is so hard"? I just spent an hour trying to set up a frigging shared printer between an XP and a vista box, complete waste of time [23:40] macavity: ping [23:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.7.104) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:43] Nick change: lee555J5 -> macavity__ [23:43] rworkman: yes? [23:45] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:45] macavity__: pm please :) [23:45] is there a way to set up ide hotplugging? [23:45] .tlz packages? What is this world coming to? [23:45] yeah, where is xorg!!!11 [23:45] Nick change: macavity__ -> lee555J5 [23:46] Action: dartmouth wonders wtf a .tlz extension means [23:46] dartmouth: tar with lzma compression [23:46] tender lovin' zaire packages. what's wrong w/ that? [23:46] lee555J5: ha [23:46] nice [23:46] I'm so not paying attention :D [23:46] oh. but yeah. I want to be able to randomly plug in IDE hard drives and have them detected/mounted. Can this be done? [23:46] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 272K 2009-04-13 22:43 /tmp/wicd-r352-noarch-1_rlw.tgz [23:46] with the system powered on [23:47] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 215K 2009-04-13 22:44 /tmp/wicd-r352-noarch-1_rlw.txz [23:47] NaCl: that ^ :) [23:47] If anyone else can throw me a bone that would be fine too :) After correctly syncing, rsync keeps recopying this and only this directory tree. Script and ls -aRl for source and destination: http://rafb.net/p/wxF45H21.html [23:47] dartmouth: IDE hardware generally can't cope with that. Nothing you could do in software would make it work... [23:47] really? [23:47] really [23:47] rworkman: /me will upgrade after upgrade is complete [23:47] wtf [23:47] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:47] you mean like really really or as far as you know? [23:48] hehe [23:48] dartmouth: technical limitations. As in, square pegs don't go in round holes. [23:48] wtf [23:48] I thought the bios detected and made assignments... at boot [23:48] That being said, I've seen it work. :) [23:48] really really. The only thing I don't know for sure is whether anyone ever made IDE interfaces with extra hardware to allow them to be hotplugged (in theory it's possible to design such a thing, but I dunno if you can actually buy one) [23:48] rworkman: do tell [23:49] Is like everyone pulling from osuosl.org right now? [23:49] dartmouth, why don't you buy a usb enclosure? [23:49] yeah, it may occasionally work, but it's a desperation measure [23:49] rworkman: yes they do. You just need a large enough hammer and a sufficient amount of force ;) [23:49] hiptobecubic: because i think open cpu cases are sexy? [23:49] rworkman: with ide? I've seen it work with linux, but don't try it with windows. :) [23:49] lee555J5: I got KMS working on my laptop :) [23:49] dartmouth, fair enough [23:49] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:50] :) [23:50] ok so how did these people do the hotplugging when you saw it work? [23:50] kernel module for this? [23:50] Re wicd, http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/ <- r352 (1.6.0-to-be) [23:50] or just ripping shit out and praying? [23:50] that. [23:50] they probably waited until the proper phase of the moon, muttered an unspeakable vile incantation, and sacrificed a goat... [23:50] or that. [23:50] In my case, it was an accident. [23:50] mine too [23:51] mmmmmgoat [23:51] lee555J5: and, newer pm-utils fixes suspend on new intel drivers :) [23:51] Urchlay: well seeing that all of this and us will gone in about...3 years and 7 months..... [23:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] thrice`: what are you talking about? [23:51] eh? I plan to still be around long past then... what happens in 3 years + 7 months? [23:51] the 32-bit time_t's don't run out until 2038 [23:51] rworkman: so after great consideration, I've decided I just can't go to SELF [23:52] much as I want to, I'm already stretched tight on funds for school [23:52] thrice`: works fine here. [23:52] Urchlay: well, apparently that 'time' thing is a finite plane. Shit will just stop I guess. [23:52] lee555J5: I was mentioning that I got KMS working on my lappy :) [23:52] CaptObviousman: bah. Understandable though. [23:52] rworkman: not using KMS + pm-utils 1.2.4 it doesn't [23:52] after school though, I'm going to do some road trips. Turns out I know lots of people in the south [23:52] well, any GEM intel driver anyway [23:52] Urchlay: god's hard drive will fill up [23:52] thrice`: what's the magic to "use KMS" ? [23:52] NaCl, why bleeding-edge wicd? [23:52] dartmouth: you sure it's not curved back on itself in a higher dimension? maybe it's a hyper-klein-bottle kind of thing... [23:53] rworkman: new xorg [23:53] hiptobecubic: It's not really bleeding anymore. [23:53] thrice`: what else? [23:53] BAHHHHHH RSYNC! I HATE YOU [23:53] Action: hiptobecubic kills himself. [23:53] rworkman: that should be it (and an intel card + updated video-driver, at least 2.6.1) [23:53] Urchlay: maybe. if it is, it's taking all of this with it. i think it's some kind of polar shift that's supposed to go down. I'm convinced, if only humourously. [23:54] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [23:54] hiptobecubic: the wicd in question will (eventually, depends on when the main dev gets around to releasing it) be 1.6 [23:54] NaCl, it's not yet released is it? [23:54] people have been predicting the end of the world since long before writing was invented (or maybe even before speech was invented), and they've all been wrong so far... [23:54] thrice`: 1.6.0 and 2.6.99.3 here on a test box with intel hardware. [23:54] hiptobecubic: No. It more or less works, except for a small bug in my part of the code that I will fix when I have more time. [23:55] NaCl, oh you're a dev. I see what's going on here. :) [23:55] unless you subscribe to the Douglas Adams theory that the universe really has ended, and been replaced by something far stranger [23:55] rworkman: suspend didn't break for oyu before 1.2.5 was released? chvt locked xorg pretty hard for me [23:55] Urchlay: yeah, this dude with a scythe and a white robe that was covered in blood was floating over my bed telling me all of that and I basically just told him what you told me. He didn't take it so well. [23:55] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:55] Well im not sure if i'm ready to update anyway. I'm already connected wirelessly at 108% :D [23:55] thrice`: I just now got all this built and working a few days ago, but no. [23:56] strange :\ I think it was specific to 965 cards, but not 100% on that [23:56] At last! I can read the package description all on once! [23:56] Okay, that might be the case 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04) [23:57] Either way, I've got pm-utils-1.2.5 on my TODO list [23:59] !!!! a bug?! rsync copies "Andrew W.K." from the source to "Andrew W.K" on the dest. Why does it drop the last '.' char? [00:00] --- Tue Apr 14 2009