[00:03] veritos (~koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[00:04] <veritos> Anyone know how I would get find the PID of the parent of an arbitrary PID?
[00:04] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[00:04] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware.
[00:08] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware.
[00:09] <veritos> Answer: /proc/$pid/status
[00:11] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.63.201.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware.
[00:15] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-182-10.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[00:17] dbyte (~eduardo@190.42.39.251) joined ##slackware.
[00:17] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[00:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[00:18] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[00:19] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.50.217) joined ##slackware.
[00:20] <stuart__> hm, i can't 'sudo shutdown -h now' even though i've visudo'd and added my username to the list?
[00:20] <mancha> pics or it didn't happen
[00:20] <rob0> That is correct, shutdown is not allowed.
[00:20] Action: Dominian shakes his head
[00:21] Nick change: mach_kernel -> dormant_kernel
[00:22] <mancha> i wanna see this famous sudoers file
[00:22] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.50.217) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[00:23] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.55.137) joined ##slackware.
[00:23] <rob0> oops, maybe it worked afer all
[00:23] <rob0> that was a fast reboot
[00:23] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware.
[00:23] <fhobia> pics or it didn't happen
[00:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.63.201.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[00:28] <veritos> rob0: did you run `uptime` to see whether it happened?
[00:28] <mancha> i can haz /etc/sudoers?
[00:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[00:32] <fhobia> lol mancha :3
[00:33] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware.
[00:34] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[00:35] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.55.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[00:36] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.88.116) joined ##slackware.
[00:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[00:40] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-68.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[00:40] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[00:40] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[00:40] veritos (~koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving
[00:43] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: run for your lives, the tribbles are coming!
[00:44] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.88.116) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[00:44] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.52.163) joined ##slackware.
[00:45] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.126.107) joined ##slackware.
[00:45] <alreadygone> \o
[00:46] <bleeding|edge> o/
[00:46] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[00:46] <alreadygone> :)
[00:48] <stuart__> omg wth is wrong with my connection today
[00:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[00:49] <stuart__> r u guys winnuke me
[00:49] <antiwire> make your time.
[00:51] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) joined ##slackware.
[00:52] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-180-102.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[00:54] Nick change: NaCl -> Na
[00:59] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[00:59] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) joined ##slackware.
[01:01] <Dolp> hm, I'm going to install slackware on a 70gb partion, does this look right, http://img192.imageshack.us/i/lllkt.png/ ?
[01:02] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[01:03] stuart__ (~stuart@124.13.52.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[01:04] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.225.82) joined ##slackware.
[01:04] <Dolp> ^anyone?
[01:06] <shonudo> Dolp, you may want to throw in a swap partition
[01:06] <BP{k}> Dolp: what are you going to install on the other partitions?
[01:06] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[01:07] <shonudo> Dolp: and why such a large partition for slackware?
[01:07] <Dolp> BP {K} i dunno
[01:07] <dbyte> Dolp: of course u r missing swap partition
[01:07] <Dolp> shonudo i dunno (lol)
[01:07] <shonudo> half of that will do
[01:07] <shonudo> easily
[01:07] <BP{k}> dbyte: you mean the one that is marked "/dev/sda6 .. linux-swap"?
[01:08] <Dolp> dbyte, I'm using g-parted (fdisk and fcdisk are out of date)...I have something as /dev/sda6/linux-swap
[01:09] <dbyte> ohhh yea!!!.. coulnd see cuz it was lighted on
[01:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware.
[01:09] <Dolp> ;p
[01:09] <stuart__> does slackware 13 have gstreamer because there's nothing on it on google and pidgin won't make any sounds if i don't have gstreamer
[01:10] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware.
[01:10] <shonudo> i didn't see that swap partition either
[01:10] <shonudo> Dolp, you're set
[01:10] <dbyte> its on another phisical disk
[01:10] <Dolp> shonudo sweet
[01:10] <BP{k}> stuart__: yes.
[01:10] <Dolp> SOON I WILL BE DONE WITH DEBIAN AND MOVE UP! :d
[01:10] <shonudo> lol
[01:10] <shonudo> good deal
[01:10] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware.
[01:10] <BP{k}> Dolp: just my personal opinion. but that partition is fugly.
[01:11] <shonudo> agreed
[01:11] <stuart__> BP{k}, any idea why pidgin won't sound alert me to messages in slack?
[01:11] <shonudo> but fugly will fwork
[01:11] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[01:11] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start
[01:11] <BP{k}> shonudo: not if you're ocpd. ;)
[01:11] <shonudo> lmao
[01:12] <dbyte> on big systems... admin use to install dirs in diferents disks: /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 => /, /dev/cciss/c0d0p5 => /usr, /dev/cciss/c0d0p3 => /var, /dev/cciss/c0d0p2 => /home
[01:12] Ratrophy (~Burninato@75.133.172.233) joined ##slackware.
[01:12] <Dolp> BP{K} now my partion is gonna cru ;-;
[01:12] <Dolp> cry*
[01:12] <BP{k}> dbyte: I still actually adhere that kind of partitioning scheme. ;)
[01:13] <Ratrophy> darn emotional partitions!
[01:13] <shonudo> damn, and i was trying to figure out what "cru" meant
[01:13] <dbyte> me2
[01:13] <dbyte> =)
[01:13] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-41.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[01:14] <BP{k}> 	
[01:14] <BP{k}> buy cru mugs, tshirts and magnets
[01:14] <BP{k}> A mytholgical creature that dwells in the deep cornors of the forest, but, a "cru" may enter into the real world on every second tuesday of every third month, or when gerbils and parakeets are on sale at petco
[01:14] <BP{k}> bah. fail paste.
[01:14] <shonudo> LOL
[01:14] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-68.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[01:14] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[01:14] <Ratrophy> or when partitions are involved
[01:14] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet.
[01:14] <shonudo> partitions and gophers
[01:15] <Ratrophy> gopherchucks are what you need
[01:15] <jewbacca> Ratrophy: gopherchucks? why not the squirrel shield?
[01:15] <BP{k}> not to be mistaken with a "grue"
[01:15] <Ratrophy> jewbacca, didn't see squirrel shield in Kung Pow
[01:16] <jewbacca> iirc, that's how betty was defeated
[01:16] <jewbacca> Ratrophy: look again
[01:16] stuartDAMN (~stuart@115.135.226.251) joined ##slackware.
[01:16] <stuartDAMN> JESUS
[01:16] <stuartDAMN> wth is wrong with my connection
[01:16] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware.
[01:16] <Ratrophy> I guess, still, I suggested gopherchucks
[01:16] <Ratrophy> don't care about betty
[01:16] <stuartDAMN> anyway, is there a command for changing a bunch of blablabla.JPG to samefilename.jpg in one command?
[01:16] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.225.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[01:16] <Dolp> I'm going to burn slackware to a cd. I'm too damned tired to remember what people use to burn stuff to cds....err what do i use?
[01:17] <shonudo> k3b?
[01:17] <jewbacca> wodim
[01:17] <Dolp> I'm thinking CD/DVD creator or k3b
[01:17] <shonudo> the latter
[01:17] <Ratrophy> cdrecord
[01:17] <Dolp> k3b it is
[01:17] <mancha> rename .JPG .jpg *.JPG
[01:18] <Dolp> png>jpg
[01:18] <Dolp> ^tru fax
[01:19] ascman (1000@89.214.83.93) joined ##slackware.
[01:19] <straterra> What's a 'tru fax' ?
[01:19] <stuartDAMN> okay i don't really understand the rename manual page, as short as it is
[01:19] <ascman> quick question: by default, when you start konsole it shows if you have mail?
[01:19] <stuartDAMN> why 3 variables? .JPG .jpg *.JPG
[01:20] <Ratrophy> need man pages 101
[01:20] <bleeding|edge> straterra, probably an attempt at leet speak for "true facts"
[01:20] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: zZz/
[01:21] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[01:21] <straterra> Oh, I see.
[01:21] <shonudo> either that or a facsimile that passes for the real thing
[01:21] <agentc0re> stuartDAMN: because you are renaming anything .JPG to .jpg
[01:21] <stuartDAMN> oh wait i get it now. takes a while to digest, these technical writings
[01:22] <agentc0re> stuartDAMN: case sensitive.
[01:23] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware.
[01:23] raymondmendoza (~raymondme@cpe-67-246-67-240.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware.
[01:25] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[01:26] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[01:26] <jewbacca> it's 0130 and another idiot falls for eliza's spell
[01:26] stuartDAMN (~stuart@115.135.226.251) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[01:27] <Dolp> mageek
[01:27] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware.
[01:27] <jewbacca> Dolp: ?
[01:28] <Dolp> notin'
[01:29] <straterra> English, do you speak it?
[01:29] <Ratrophy> what?
[01:29] <Dolp> Yes. I do
[01:30] <Dolp> But he said "spell" I though of magic.
[01:30] <Ratrophy> say what again!
[01:30] <Dolp> what? *coolface*
[01:30] <mancha> speak engrish prease
[01:31] <Ratrophy> hehe watch Pulp Fiction
[01:31] <ascman> Ratrophy: when you reach the speech... plz nudge me.
[01:31] <Dolp> oh herro welcom to chirese resteraunt may i take yor order?
[01:31] <ascman> xD
[01:31] <Ratrophy> ascman, ooookay
[01:33] <ascman> pulp fiction rox. :)
[01:33] <Ratrophy> you don't
[01:34] <Dolp> pulp fiction is meh
[01:34] <Dolp> D.O.A. = best movie ever
[01:34] <mancha> what do they call a quarter pounder in paris?
[01:34] <Ratrophy> you missed the reference anyway, so it doesn't matter if it sucks or not
[01:34] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) got netsplit.
[01:34] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) got netsplit.
[01:34] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) got netsplit.
[01:34] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) got netsplit.
[01:34] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) got netsplit.
[01:34] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit.
[01:34] rk4n3 (~rk4n3@71.39.203.106) got netsplit.
[01:34] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) got netsplit.
[01:34] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) got netsplit.
[01:34] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got netsplit.
[01:34] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) got netsplit.
[01:34] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) got netsplit.
[01:34] sitwon (~adam@pool-173-79-69-200.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) got netsplit.
[01:34] packeteer (~packeteer@203.36.227.227) got netsplit.
[01:34] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.87) got netsplit.
[01:34] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) got netsplit.
[01:34] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) got netsplit.
[01:34] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit.
[01:34] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) got netsplit.
[01:34] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-48-218.dslgb.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) got netsplit.
[01:34] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] zounds (~zounds@80.85.119.158) got netsplit.
[01:34] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) got netsplit.
[01:34] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-wbyfexnvmnoizhqi) got netsplit.
[01:34] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) got netsplit.
[01:34] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.126.107) got netsplit.
[01:34] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) got netsplit.
[01:34] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) got netsplit.
[01:34] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) got netsplit.
[01:34] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) got netsplit.
[01:34] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) got netsplit.
[01:34] Xires (~Xires@66.190.79.122) got netsplit.
[01:34] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] deus|-| (deus@simula.gunkies.org) got netsplit.
[01:34] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) got netsplit.
[01:34] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) got netsplit.
[01:34] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit.
[01:34] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) got netsplit.
[01:34] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) got netsplit.
[01:34] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) got netsplit.
[01:34] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit.
[01:34] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) got netsplit.
[01:34] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] juice (1000@67.48.16.231) got netsplit.
[01:34] mirmillo (2032@friedman.ivoltaire.org) got netsplit.
[01:34] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] vastina (jaird@64.215.163.99) got netsplit.
[01:34] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) got netsplit.
[01:34] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) got netsplit.
[01:34] mmlj4 (~jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) got netsplit.
[01:34] konus (~konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) got netsplit.
[01:34] ascman (1000@89.214.83.93) got netsplit.
[01:34] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) got netsplit.
[01:34] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) got netsplit.
[01:34] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) got netsplit.
[01:34] mtkoan_ (~mtkoan@www.snowpine.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) got netsplit.
[01:34] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) got netsplit.
[01:34] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) got netsplit.
[01:34] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) got netsplit.
[01:34] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) got netsplit.
[01:34] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) got netsplit.
[01:34] jeagone (jef@173.172.195.32) got netsplit.
[01:34] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) got netsplit.
[01:34] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) got netsplit.
[01:34] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) got netsplit.
[01:34] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) got netsplit.
[01:34] dngr (~dngr@n11649137153.netvigator.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) got netsplit.
[01:34] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) got netsplit.
[01:34] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.32.132) got netsplit.
[01:34] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) got netsplit.
[01:34] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) got netsplit.
[01:34] dtanner (~dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) got netsplit.
[01:34] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) got netsplit.
[01:34] Wiseguy (wiseguy@infinite.evilness.ca) got netsplit.
[01:34] CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@about/windows/regular/CodeBlock) got netsplit.
[01:34] amazon10x (captain@liberstation.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] alienBlurb (3351@connie.slackware.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] dbyte (~eduardo@190.42.39.251) got netsplit.
[01:34] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) got netsplit.
[01:34] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit.
[01:34] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) got netsplit.
[01:34] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) got netsplit.
[01:34] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) got netsplit.
[01:34] fred (~fred@slamd64/fred) got netsplit.
[01:34] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) got netsplit.
[01:34] mint (mint@pool-71-186-161-247.bflony.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit.
[01:34] rworkman (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) got netsplit.
[01:34] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) got netsplit.
[01:34] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) got netsplit.
[01:34] <shonudo> geeze
[01:34] <Dolp> mancha what?
[01:35] <shonudo> that is one HUGE netsplit
[01:35] <Ratrophy> only cause a bunch of morons were here
[01:35] <LSD`> shonudo: heh, welcome to freenode
[01:35] <Dolp> wait, you don't call it anything in paris, paris uses the metric system, so a 1/4 pounder is a 2/9 kilo'r
[01:35] <Ratrophy> when did slackware turn into a hell hole for morons?
[01:35] <shonudo> LSD`, agreed
[01:35] <shonudo> another day in freenode
[01:35] <Dolp> shonudo freenode is run by morons
[01:36] <Dolp> Anyone remember when some dumbass learned to spam crap over the ports for OS browsers?
[01:36] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] ascman (1000@89.214.83.93) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.126.107) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] dbyte (~eduardo@190.42.39.251) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] packeteer (~packeteer@203.36.227.227) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.87) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-48-218.dslgb.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jeagone (jef@173.172.195.32) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] deus|-| (deus@simula.gunkies.org) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] dngr (~dngr@n11649137153.netvigator.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.32.132) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] fred (~fred@slamd64/fred) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] juice (1000@67.48.16.231) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] rk4n3 (~rk4n3@71.39.203.106) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Xires (~Xires@66.190.79.122) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] mirmillo (2032@friedman.ivoltaire.org) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] mint (mint@pool-71-186-161-247.bflony.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] rworkman (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] mtkoan_ (~mtkoan@www.snowpine.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] dtanner (~dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] zounds (~zounds@80.85.119.158) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] vastina (jaird@64.215.163.99) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-wbyfexnvmnoizhqi) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] mmlj4 (~jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] sitwon (~adam@pool-173-79-69-200.washdc.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] alienBlurb (3351@connie.slackware.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] amazon10x (captain@liberstation.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@about/windows/regular/CodeBlock) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Wiseguy (wiseguy@infinite.evilness.ca) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] konus (~konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) returned to ##slackware.
[01:36] <shonudo> wb *.*
[01:36] <shonudo> lol
[01:36] <LSD`> I don't know if it was a just a coincidence or not, but the reliability of the netowrk has been in a downward spiral since lilo died
[01:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) got netsplit.
[01:37] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) got netsplit.
[01:37] goj (~goj@p4FE6E685.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) got netsplit.
[01:37] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got netsplit.
[01:37] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) got netsplit.
[01:37] acidchild (ash@septic.ziwall.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) got netsplit.
[01:37] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got netsplit.
[01:37] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) got netsplit.
[01:37] shemp (~shemp@66.226.201.54) got netsplit.
[01:37] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) got netsplit.
[01:37] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit.
[01:37] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) got netsplit.
[01:37] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) got netsplit.
[01:37] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) got netsplit.
[01:37] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) got netsplit.
[01:37] pprkut (hwiesinger@slackbuilds.org) got netsplit.
[01:37] zarock (zarock@82.230.37.22) got netsplit.
[01:37] _theradar (yamabushi@72.20.19.104) got netsplit.
[01:37] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) got netsplit.
[01:37] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) got netsplit.
[01:37] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) got netsplit.
[01:37] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) got netsplit.
[01:37] raela (~raela@cpe-67-241-19-148.twcny.res.rr.com) got netsplit.
[01:37] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) got netsplit.
[01:37] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) got netsplit.
[01:37] MoZes (3355@connie.slackware.com) got netsplit.
[01:37] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) got netsplit.
[01:37] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit.
[01:37] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) got netsplit.
[01:37] ienh (~ienh@silent.noctechant.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) got netsplit.
[01:37] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) got netsplit.
[01:37] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) got netsplit.
[01:37] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) got netsplit.
[01:37] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.22.31) got netsplit.
[01:37] fuzzix_ (~fuzzix@93.107.30.168) got netsplit.
[01:37] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) got netsplit.
[01:37] lokken (~chris@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) got netsplit.
[01:37] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) got netsplit.
[01:37] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit.
[01:37] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) got netsplit.
[01:37] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) got netsplit.
[01:37] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) got netsplit.
[01:37] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) got netsplit.
[01:37] jgor (~jgor@loki.indiecom.org) got netsplit.
[01:37] snihf (~snihf@legendary.xserve.fr) got netsplit.
[01:37] <shonudo> iirc, lilo lost the keys to the store at one point
[01:37] <Dolp> http://mateusz.loskot.net/2010/01/30/firefox-based-attacks-on-irc-freenode-net/
[01:37] <shonudo> so i don't know
[01:37] <Dolp> lilo faked his own death...
[01:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.22.31) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] fuzzix_ (~fuzzix@93.107.30.168) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] goj (~goj@p4FE6E685.dip.t-dialin.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] raela (~raela@cpe-67-241-19-148.twcny.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] lokken (~chris@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] shemp (~shemp@66.226.201.54) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] MoZes (3355@connie.slackware.com) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] ienh (~ienh@silent.noctechant.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] jgor (~jgor@loki.indiecom.org) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] pprkut (hwiesinger@slackbuilds.org) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] acidchild (ash@septic.ziwall.net) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] zarock (zarock@82.230.37.22) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] _theradar (yamabushi@72.20.19.104) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] snihf (~snihf@legendary.xserve.fr) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) returned to ##slackware.
[01:38] <Ratrophy> just on the wrong server!
[01:38] <shonudo> there we go
[01:38] <shonudo> we were light on conspiracy
[01:38] <shonudo> we needed that
[01:38] <LSD`> shonudo: as I said, it might just be a coincidence or my memory not being exactly clear, but I don't recall netsplits and other network issues being this bad on his watch
[01:38] <Ratrophy> might as well throw silo in there, too
[01:39] <shonudo> well, that last DDoS attack set a new standard
[01:39] <Ratrophy> since grub 1.97.2 is working great with sparc, I've scrubbed silo
[01:39] <shonudo> that was weird
[01:39] <Dolp> shonudo http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Full-Disclosure/2006-06/msg00842.html
[01:40] <shonudo> hmmm...
[01:40] <shonudo> it's on wikipedia as well, iirc
[01:40] <shonudo> wiki "freenode"
[01:40] <Dolp> lilo was syphoning off funds
[01:40] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[01:41] <Ratrophy> all hail wikipedia... the authoritative source!
[01:41] <Dolp> faked death, new identity, continues to do it, DDoS could of been stopped if money was not stolen and would of better been on servers
[01:41] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[01:42] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware.
[01:42] <Dolp>    o           __/   |____  ---
[01:42] <Dolp>   /L,         |__________|  ---
[01:42] <Dolp> (o)/(o)        o       o    ---
[01:42] <Dolp> ^lilo
[01:43] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[01:43] <Ratrophy> well at least we know you compare lilo to a truck with no headliner
[01:43] <Dolp> yep.
[01:44] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware.
[01:45] <Dolp> Anyway k3b is still burning slackware
[01:45] <Ratrophy> might take your lifetime
[01:45] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[01:45] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-41.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[01:46] <Dolp> Oh well
[01:46] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[01:46] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) left irc: Quit: leaving
[01:48] raymondmendoza (raymondme@cpe-67-246-67-240.twcny.res.rr.com) left ##slackware.
[01:50] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[01:50] <mancha> when it hangs at 99% done you know your coaster's ready
[01:51] <jeev> when is the damn guruplug coming out
[01:51] <Ratrophy> never
[01:52] <Ratrophy> the world is in a depression, nothing is gonna happen after this summer
[01:52] <Dolp> wow what a downer rat
[01:52] <Ratrophy> people gotta work 24 hours a day to stay afloat now!
[01:52] ascman (1000@89.214.83.93) left ##slackware.
[01:53] Action: tsccof kills himself.
[01:53] <Ratrophy> yeah insane on the amount of suicide calls going on this year
[01:53] <Ratrophy> been increasing crazy since 2004
[01:54] <tsccof> +1
[01:54] <Ratrophy> -666
[01:55] <Dolp> men kill themselves the most, even though women attempt it morer
[01:55] <Dolp> so men are better at it.
[01:55] <jeev> morer ?
[01:55] <brokedown> guns
[01:55] <Dolp> jeev, morer is an awesome word i just made up
[01:56] <jeev> that's wonderfuler
[01:56] <Ratrophy> hehe bbiab
[01:56] Ratrophy (~Burninato@75.133.172.233) left irc: Quit: Bite my shiny metal ass.
[01:56] <Dolp> jeev, it's super-rific
[01:56] <jeev> newculuar
[01:56] <jeev> newculuer
[01:56] <mancha> pinko
[01:57] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[01:57] <jeev> strategery
[01:58] <Dolp> awesometastic
[01:58] <mancha> is 2.6.33 a lot more aggressive in caching stuff in memory?
[01:58] <jeev> mancha killed it with a kernel question
[01:59] <tsccof> kernelic
[02:00] <jeev> kernelatory
[02:00] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.87) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[02:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[02:01] Ratrophy (~Burninato@75.133.172.233) joined ##slackware.
[02:01] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.234.220) joined ##slackware.
[02:02] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware.
[02:02] <stuart__> if i want my username to be able to access my second HD anytime, will adding my username to group disk solve the problem?
[02:03] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[02:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[02:07] xispirito (~xispirito@unaffiliated/doutor) joined ##slackware.
[02:07] xispirito (xispirito@unaffiliated/doutor) left ##slackware.
[02:09] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware.
[02:11] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware.
[02:13] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[02:13] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware.
[02:15] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[02:15] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Quit: sleep
[02:16] <Ratrophy> stuart__, does group disk have the permissions you require for the device?
[02:17] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[02:17] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[02:17] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[02:17] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[02:18] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.134) joined ##slackware.
[02:18] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[02:18] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[02:19] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware.
[02:20] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[02:20] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware.
[02:21] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware.
[02:22] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware.
[02:22] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[02:22] <Dolp> I have a slackware live CD and  this 70GB partion
[02:22] <Dolp> is everything good http://img697.imageshack.us/i/llluc.png/ ?
[02:24] <stuart__> do i need to restart anything after adding users to groups for them to access their new privelleges?
[02:25] <amazon10x> stuart__: i've heard that's the case
[02:25] <Ratrophy> gotta relogin the user if they were logged in during the change
[02:26] <amazon10x> Dolp: slackware live cd? i didn't think we had live CDs
[02:26] <Dolp> well it's a cd with slackware burned on it
[02:26] <Dolp> listen, I'm tired
[02:26] <amazon10x> haha
[02:26] <Dolp> I just wanna know if I'ts right.
[02:26] <amazon10x> you should be set though
[02:26] <Dolp> THANK GOD.
[02:26] <Dolp> Okay, next...I gotta install it
[02:26] <amazon10x> is that 100G partition at the front for windows?
[02:27] <Dolp> pffffffffffffft no
[02:27] <Dolp> Debian
[02:27] <amazon10x> ah ok
[02:27] <Dolp> windows? Open source> Closed source
[02:27] <Ratrophy> all hail open source, that's why it is 2010 and we still have issues!
[02:28] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[02:28] <amazon10x> Ratrophy: yeah, all the windows and osx support forums have entirely shut down now
[02:28] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.234.220) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[02:28] <Ratrophy> not as long as people breathe
[02:29] <Dolp> Ratrophy http://www.techsupportforum.com/microsoft-support/internet-explorer-forum/
[02:29] <amazon10x> Ratrophy: what about when the machines start breathing...
[02:30] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[02:30] <Ratrophy> I guess go find a new planet to live on since this one will no longer be under control
[02:30] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-180-102.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[02:31] <Ratrophy> not sure about Dolp's link. Have no clue why that was posted.
[02:31] <Dolp> Ratrophy it's the internet explorer forums
[02:31] <Ratrophy> So...
[02:31] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[02:31] <Dolp> It's good for a laugh
[02:32] <amazon10x> who goes to an IE support forum? i feel like if you're enterprising enough to go out searching google to fix a problem on IE, you'd be kind of set to get an alternative browser
[02:32] <Ratrophy> well apparently the ones that post there
[02:33] <Dolp> ^this
[02:33] <Dolp> Furthermore I'd like to point out that in 2010 everything has issues
[02:33] <Ratrophy> expecially since the last 100 years were hell!
[02:33] <Dolp> *BSD, GNU/linux has less issues than MS and MAC.
[02:34] <Dolp> two world wars and 15 major wars? good point that was hell
[02:34] <Dolp> and the influenza plauge
[02:34] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[02:34] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware.
[02:36] <Ratrophy> amazon10x can say all the windows and OS X support forums have entirely shutdown and this morning you'll see 10000 blogs about it!
[02:36] dbyte (~eduardo@190.42.39.251) left irc: Quit: Saliendo
[02:37] <Ratrophy> Dolp, especially since the two world wars weren't major, just the 15 ones?
[02:37] <amazon10x> perhaps he was using "world" as an adjective just as "major"
[02:37] <amazon10x> but of a greater intensity, obviously
[02:38] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware.
[02:39] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.234.220) joined ##slackware.
[02:39] <Dolp> okay brb installing slackware
[02:39] <amazon10x> hmm, so google is going to give us VP8 video codec
[02:39] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457]
[02:39] <amazon10x> this sounds nice
[02:39] <Ratrophy> until vp8 eats your lunch you have for work each day
[02:40] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[02:40] <stuart__> okay, security issues aside, i want some users to have full access to my slave HD under group (disk), do i chown root:disk to /dev/sda1 or /mnt/mountpoint?
[02:40] <Ratrophy> Dolp, one supafly install
[02:40] <slava_dp> stuart__, what filesystem?
[02:40] <stuart__> slava_dp, ext3
[02:41] <Ratrophy> group disk should have rw to that device
[02:41] <slava_dp> you chown the mountpoint and the files inside.
[02:41] <Ratrophy> you want filesystem permissions
[02:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[02:42] <stuart__> slava_dp, so if i mount to a different dir the next time, i gotta change permissions too right?
[02:42] <slava_dp> yes, on the mountpoint.
[02:43] <slava_dp> and the users don't need to be in the disk group, that group is for accessing the device in /dev, not filesystem contents.
[02:43] <slava_dp> i.e. for partitioning, etc.
[02:43] <Ratrophy> mostly destroying
[02:43] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[02:43] <slava_dp> true
[02:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware.
[02:45] Ongacska (~d5dea7f9@gateway/web/freenode/x-tlhsfrhllnmtkcql) joined ##slackware.
[02:45] <stuart__> slava_dp, but if i don't set those users to disk group, can they have 'destroyer' access to that HD? i mean if it's owned by root:root, user (foo) under group (disk) won't be able to read and write right?
[02:46] <stuart__> ah wtf am i asking
[02:46] <Ongacska> Aloha bruderz!
[02:46] <slava_dp> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 2010-04-13 12:33 /dev/sda
[02:46] <Ongacska> Hozsanna nektek dicsoseges tesvereim!
[02:47] <Dolp> Ratrophy I forgot to ask
[02:47] <Dolp> any slackware install guides?
[02:47] <slava_dp> Dolp, slackbook, see /topic
[02:47] <stuart__> slava_dp, i tried just adding my user foo to group disks, and he didn't have access to /dev/sda, but changing root:root to root:disk on mountpoint did give him full access
[02:48] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[02:48] <slava_dp> stuart__, you don't get it it seems
[02:48] <slava_dp> stuart__, the device and the fs are two different things
[02:48] <Dolp> slava_dp I can't find it
[02:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte
[02:48] <Dolp> http://slackbook.org/#book <---shows nusing
[02:48] <slava_dp> Dolp, write /topic
[02:49] <Dolp> oh rite
[02:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[02:49] <Dolp> Slava_dp it's http://slackbook.org/topic ?
[02:49] <stuart__> slava_dp, okay, so what privelleges does a user get if i put him in group disk?
[02:49] Ongacska (~d5dea7f9@gateway/web/freenode/x-tlhsfrhllnmtkcql) left irc: Client Quit
[02:49] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-208.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware.
[02:50] <slava_dp> stuart__, if you are in group disk, you can do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx" and erase your block device with all partitions fs's and everything.
[02:50] <slava_dp> so don't.
[02:50] <stuart__> slava_dp, but you won't be able to mount it, or mkdir, etc. because it's not fs right?
[02:51] <stuart__> unless i change the group permissions in the mountpoint, right? if i'm understanding this correctly
[02:52] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.34.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[02:52] <Dolp> Slava_dp it's http://slackbook.org/topic ?
[02:52] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[02:52] <slava_dp> Dolp, slackbook.org
[02:52] Action: slava_dp wanders off, gotta work.
[02:54] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457]
[02:55] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware.
[02:55] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware.
[02:55] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[02:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[02:56] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[02:58] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.234.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[03:00] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night
[03:01] visco (~visco@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware.
[03:01] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.90.128) joined ##slackware.
[03:01] <stuart__> do you guys get a bunch of gibberish after exiting KDE? is there anything wrong with that?
[03:02] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[03:03] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/
[03:03] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware.
[03:04] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: 
[03:06] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware.
[03:08] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware.
[03:09] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[03:09] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-6-69.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware.
[03:10] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware.
[03:10] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[03:11] <Dolp> I failed in under 10 minuites!
[03:11] <Dolp> hoorah, new low
[03:13] <slava_dp> failed what?
[03:14] <Dolp> to install slackware
[03:14] <Dolp> I failed at the first step.
[03:15] <slava_dp> hmm. it shouldn't be so hard. did you fail to partition your drive correctly?
[03:15] <Dolp> I got my drive partioned perfectly
[03:15] <Dolp> I'll find a youtube vid of slackware installing
[03:16] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[03:16] <slava_dp> k, whatever
[03:17] <ut> first step as in, burning a dvd?
[03:17] <Dolp> no
[03:17] <Dolp> selecting what partion to install it onto
[03:17] <ut> heheh
[03:18] <Dolp> :(
[03:18] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving
[03:18] <ut> try again. there can't be that many partitions.
[03:18] <slava_dp> Dolp, RTFM http://slackbook.org/html/book.html
[03:19] <surrounder> slava_dp: READING!? that's soooooo 2008..isn't there an audiobook or podcast instead!?
[03:19] Action: surrounder runs
[03:19] <ut> an audiobook of a podcast.
[03:19] <slava_dp> a youtube video of an audiobook of a podcast.
[03:20] <surrounder> haha
[03:20] <ut> there you are.
[03:20] <stuart__> haha, start at ADDSWAP?
[03:20] <Dolp> http://img695.imageshack.us/i/slacky.png/ <---those are my aprtions, the one highlited is what i want slackware on
[03:21] <Dolp> so it'd be "/dev/sda1" ?
[03:21] <surrounder> ...
[03:21] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) joined ##slackware.
[03:21] Action: ut blinks 
[03:21] <surrounder> Dolp: read the link slava_dp send you, you should learn a lot from it
[03:21] <ut> i'm hopped up ... or down, i guess, on benadryl, so maybe i shouldn't answer...
[03:22] <Dolp> surrounder, okay...but err.. does anything change if I'm using gparted instead of fdisk?
[03:23] <ut> but the answer is, /dev/sda5
[03:23] <ut> beacuse the highlighted partition is /dev/sda5
[03:23] <ut> why would it be 1?
[03:23] <slava_dp> no, he highlighted /dev/sda1 actually.
[03:23] <Dolp> ^ is right
[03:23] <surrounder> Dolp: are you running another linux distro on sda5 and sda6?
[03:23] <Dolp> surrounder yes, debian
[03:24] <slava_dp> s/debian/ubuntu/ :D
[03:24] <surrounder> Dolp: you if you know that...how hard is it to figure out where your new install will go ?
[03:24] <righteous> ok.  i've got a wg311v3 that i will require for connectivity in a couple weeks.  the system will need to provide connectivity for an xp machine that will be on the network.  i cant seem to get ndiswrapper fro wg311v3 kick into promisc. mode.  is there a better way i could be doing this?  need the slack box to use the wg311v3 to find the network and then need that to provide the network to the wired network.
[03:24] <ut> i didn't even see it in the list.
[03:24] <stuart__> yeah actually he isn't even in slack install yet
[03:25] <Dolp> surrounder I haven't slept in 2 days, please cut me a break.
[03:25] <SiegeX> just make sure you write lilo to the root partition and not the MBR, unless you want to take out whatever boot loader debian installed (grub?)
[03:25] <surrounder> Dolp: nightynight then :)
[03:25] <Dolp> no sleep.
[03:25] <Dolp> Must. strive
[03:26] <ut> why's parted put a glowing rectangle around /dev/sda5 when it's not highlighted?
[03:26] <surrounder> yeahyeah, you're really hardcore Dolp
[03:26] <ut> gparted*
[03:26] <Dolp> surrounder I had a list for my newyears resolutions, the last thing is this
[03:27] <surrounder> Dolp: 2011 isn't really around the corner or anything
[03:27] <Dolp> uhh it was my 2010..
[03:27] <surrounder> ...
[03:27] <slava_dp> LOL
[03:27] <surrounder> righty, I should get some work done
[03:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[03:28] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[03:28] <Dolp> ;-; you are so mean
[03:28] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[03:28] <surrounder> Dolp: I'm like a fluffy little bunny, just can't stand people who don't go and figure out their own problems
[03:29] <Dolp> ^lies, nothing but lies
[03:29] Action: wario is watching the history of cocaine on the History channel.
[03:29] <ut> Dolp: I might be blind, but I know I'm capable of installing slackware. what's the next step you're having trouble with?
[03:29] <Dolp> ut I'm reading the guide now. But you can't be blind, blind peoplce can't read off moniters
[03:30] <ut> you just blew my mind, man. i'm going to bed.
[03:30] <stuart__> haha braille monitors ftw
[03:30] <Dolp> ^DOES NOT EXIST
[03:30] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware.
[03:31] <surrounder> Dolp: http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/computer-aids-visually-impaired.htm - enjoy!
[03:32] <SiegeX> didn't you see the movie 'sneakers' ?
[03:32] <Dolp> Surrounder, mind=blown
[03:32] <stuart__> okay i've added myself to sudo but why can't i do some commands like shutdown
[03:32] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[03:33] <surrounder> stuart__: how did you add yourself to sudo ?
[03:33] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[03:33] <stuart__> surrounder, visudo, added my username all=(all) all
[03:33] <slava_dp> sudo -l
[03:34] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-208.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[03:34] <stuart__> slava_dp, user root may run the following commands on this host (ALL) ALL?
[03:35] <slava_dp> meh. as a user.
[03:35] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[03:36] <stuart__> slava_dp, user foo may run the following
[03:36] <stuart__> (ALL) ALL
[03:36] <slava_dp> then you must be fine :)
[03:36] <stuart__> but when i do a sudo shutdown it says sudo: shutdown: command not found
[03:36] <surrounder> stuart__: sudo /sbin/shutdown
[03:37] <alisonken1noc> stuart__, shutdown is in /sbin - your user does not have /sbin in it's path
[03:37] <wario> stuart__: it's because sbin is not in your path
[03:37] <stuart__> no wonder, damn.
[03:37] <wario> it's better that way
[03:37] <stuart__> wario, but why
[03:37] <wario> just run it /sbin/shutdown
[03:37] <alisonken1noc> first rule of thumb: if the command is normally a root/admin command, you would probably need to specify full path
[03:38] <slava_dp> stuart__, it will be very helpful if you supply the error message from the start, and not after a 10-minute talk.
[03:38] <alisonken1noc> because /sbin, /usr/sbin should not be in normal user path since they contain commands that can hose your system
[03:38] <wario> stuart__: security reasons.  helps prevent script exploits
[03:38] <wario> etc
[03:38] <stuart__> alright thanks
[03:39] <slava_dp> more like it's a traditional separation.
[03:45] <stuart__> can i just comment out all the .bmp images, table color, text color etc in lilo.conf?
[03:45] <alreadygone> not sure stuart__ can you?
[03:45] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[03:46] <Dolp> uh-oh,I forgot who was pming me
[03:46] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.90.128) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[03:47] <wario> slava_dp: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Path.html#toc12
[03:48] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[03:48] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware.
[03:49] <slava_dp> wario, it's really about the '.' path. to this, i agree. but /bin and /sbin separation is really out of convenience, so that the binaries are not mixed together.
[03:50] <wario> true ..
[03:50] <slava_dp> if i want to run /sbin/ifconfig, I'll run it. but I won't be able to change settings, only to view.
[03:51] Dolp_ (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[03:52] <Dolp> can anyone pm me and help me with a step by step instillation of slackware?
[03:52] <wario> doubtful
[03:52] <wario> no one reads slackbook anymore?
[03:53] <Dolp> it's confusing
[03:53] <Dolp> really, it's also viciously vague
[03:54] <wario> i always use my search engine of choice to help with confusing stuff
[03:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[03:55] <Dolp> well can u link me?
[03:55] <surrounder> Dolp: http://tinyurl.com/yyzrslf
[03:55] <surrounder> gawd I love that site
[03:55] <slava_dp> s/it's confusing/i'm lazy/
[03:56] <slava_dp> hahaha
[03:56] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.126.107) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye...
[03:56] <wario> lol
[03:56] <slava_dp> surrounder++
[03:56] <wario> oooh surrounder, screenshots..
[03:56] Dolp_ (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[03:57] <wario> lol
[03:57] stu (~stuart@115.135.90.128) joined ##slackware.
[03:57] <wario> really, slackware has speech recognition now, you just say Install Damnit and it goes to work.
[03:57] <stu> how do i know if i have openssl installed or not on my slack
[03:58] <wario> look in /var/log/packages
[03:58] <slava_dp> stu, ls /var/log/packages/openssl*
[03:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[03:59] <stu> okay thanks, found em
[03:59] <Dolp> surrounder I've got a small issue that the tutorials don't cover. I'm up to the part where it asks you what partion you want to installs slackware on
[04:00] <Dolp> I already have one setup, how do i access that particular partion?
[04:00] <surrounder> select it and hit enter? :-/
[04:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[04:01] <Dolp> how do i select it?
[04:01] <slava_dp> using your cursor keys?
[04:02] <Dolp> e-e I haven't put in any commands, what do I do put in "fdisk" or  "setup"?
[04:02] Action: slava_dp whistles
[04:02] Action: surrounder cries a little
[04:03] <Dolp> I just logged in as 'root' so It's given me options...
[04:03] <Dolp> e-e
[04:03] <surrounder> Dolp: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/install_slackware_2.html
[04:03] <slava_dp> i'm not even laughing any more
[04:03] <stu> Dolp, type setup ?
[04:03] <surrounder> Dolp: http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers/slackware_setup_start.png
[04:03] <surrounder> Dolp: there are bloody pictures on that page covering EVERYTHING, why don't you just read??
[04:03] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[04:03] <Dolp> surrounder thats where I'm up to.
[04:03] <Dolp> Okay surrounder, jesus
[04:04] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[04:05] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware.
[04:05] <slava_dp> Dolp, when you complete this new year's resolution, you'll erase the partition you installed slackware on, as you won't be able to use it really. so why bother installiing?
[04:06] <Dolp> ^I won't
[04:06] <Dolp>  I'm up to this step http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/install_slackware_2.html I made a partion using debian it's dev/sda1/ but the only partion showing is dev/sda6 which is a swap partion I am dual booting debian and trying to get slackware will using the swap partion cause any issues or do I need to format the normal partion to be a swap partian?
[04:08] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[04:09] <surrounder> Dolp: you're probably in ADDSWAP aren't ya ? and it's only showing you your swap partition? what a surprise
[04:09] <Dolp> so I gotta reformat /dev/sda1 to be a swap partion so i can install slackware on it, no?
[04:10] <surrounder> indeed, no
[04:10] <slava_dp> Dolp, quit. now.
[04:10] <slava_dp> i mean, quit installing.
[04:10] <slava_dp> read a couple of books on linux. and then start again.
[04:10] <wario> Dolp: after you install slackware are you going to come here and ask how to do something that has been covered 10,000 times before, everytime you don't want to do the research yourself?
[04:11] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[04:12] <slava_dp> really, any book will do. even on redhat/fedora. you just need to understand how linux works.
[04:12] <wario> Dolp: gentoo has pretty good extensive documentation about partition schemes
[04:13] <Dolp> wario no
[04:14] <wario> wario has slackware installed.. Dolp doesn't..
[04:14] <Dolp> did you just reffer to yourself in 3rd person?
[04:15] <Dolp> og got it
[04:15] <Dolp> oh*
[04:15] Dolp (chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware.
[04:15] <surrounder> \o/
[04:15] <wario> ^>^
[04:15] <slava_dp> finally
[04:15] <surrounder> hey the sun finally shines, and rainbows and unicorns everywhere!
[04:15] <wario> well, ubuntu has another user on the way.
[04:16] <stu> okay now i'm running screen with elinks and rtorrent. anyone have any idea how i can copy elinks .torrent location to rtorrent using keyboard?
[04:16] <stu> just asking cos i wanna control my downloads thru ssh away from home
[04:17] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.134) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[04:17] <wario> can you download them somewhere with elinks then load them into rtorrent?
[04:18] <stu> wario, hmm.. sec
[04:18] <Zordrak>  Morn
[04:18] <wario> idk the specific commands
[04:18] <wario> morning Zordrak
[04:18] <slava_dp> stu, use screen's copy mode?
[04:22] <stu> slava_dp, copy mode is fine, but i can't seem to copy from the link
[04:23] <stu> as in _link_ <--i can copy this but..  (www.torrent.com) <-- i want this
[04:23] <surrounder> stu: just download the .torrents, put it somewhere - C-a C-c to create a new window and fire up rtorrent there
[04:23] <surrounder> stu: you can use C-a C-a to switch between the windows, in case you didn't know
[04:25] <stu> surrounder, oh, C-a C-a is a neat trick
[04:26] <surrounder> stu: it certainly is :) screen is a nice tool
[04:26] <trhodes> (can be typed ctrl-a-a)
[04:28] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[04:28] <Dolp> One last question
[04:28] <surrounder> Dolpy!
[04:28] <Dolp> How big should I make my linux swap partion be, for slackware, I'm doing 5gigs.
[04:28] <slava_dp> how much ram do you have
[04:29] <Dolp> slava_dp I have no idea.
[04:29] <slava_dp> you can also reuse your other swap partition for slackware.
[04:29] <slava_dp> free -m
[04:29] <slava_dp> cat /proc/meminfo
[04:29] <Dolp> I have 512 ram free
[04:30] <surrounder> look under total
[04:30] <Dolp> 1002
[04:30] <slava_dp> make a 2 gig swap.
[04:30] <slava_dp> that'll cover over your head.
[04:30] <surrounder> Dolp: you already have a swap partition, /dev/sda6
[04:31] <Dolp> surrounder, I know, but that was 70gigs..
[04:31] <slava_dp> uhh, 70 gigs of swap?
[04:31] <stu> !
[04:31] <Dolp> i accidently formatted it wrong, but i got it now
[04:31] <Dolp> yes, i didn't notice it was 70 gigs, once again I have not slept in 2 days
[04:32] <surrounder> Dolp: 2.86 GB in the screenshot you pasted
[04:32] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[04:32] <Dolp> that was the swap partion I used for debian
[04:32] <Dolp> Can that be re-used?
[04:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[04:33] <slava_dp> OF COURSE IT CAN
[04:33] <stu> wait, so /proc/meminfo's MemTotal is my RAMsize.. i think i've allocated too little for me swap then..
[04:33] <Dolp> HOORAY.
[04:33] <stu> it's x2 RAM, roughly right?
[04:33] <Dolp> so if i dual boot...using the swap won't cause any problems, surrounder?
[04:33] <surrounder> stu: yeah
[04:33] <SiegeX> 2x ram is outdated
[04:33] <alisonken1noc> depends on your ram and how you plan on using your system
[04:33] <surrounder> Dolp: no
[04:33] <SiegeX> was a good rule of thumb when people had memory counted in megs
[04:34] <stu> SiegeX, how much is it now then
[04:34] <SiegeX> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-swap-space.html
[04:34] <alisonken1noc> Dolp, it would only be an issue if you have multiple linux systems running at the same time
[04:34] <alisonken1noc> using the same swap
[04:34] <Dolp> okay
[04:34] <Dolp> so 2.8gigs is enough swap for slackware?
[04:34] <surrounder> more than enough
[04:35] <Dolp> awesome
[04:35] <SiegeX> set your swapiness down too
[04:35] <SiegeX> if you have enough mem
[04:35] <SiegeX> and not alot of workload
[04:35] <Dolp> Okay, well here I go
[04:39] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Bye.....
[04:40] <stu> how do i send an alert to all users connected to my server?
[04:41] <surrounder> stu: man wall
[04:42] <SiegeX> I like to do: echo "Do you wan't to play a game?" > /dev/pts/1
[04:42] <SiegeX> or whatever their term is
[04:43] <stu> ahhh
[04:43] <slava_dp> and it wonderfully pops in the middle of their vim editing session :)
[04:43] <SiegeX> or "I'm sorry, I can't do that Dave"
[04:43] <SiegeX> heh, tis what it is
[04:43] <surrounder> haha
[04:44] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving
[04:44] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[04:44] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) joined ##slackware.
[04:44] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware.
[04:45] visco (~visco@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[04:45] toor_ (1000@f051054177.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware.
[04:45] <Dolp> hmm, ext2 or ext3 filestystem?
[04:45] <stu> does .bash_history only update after logout?
[04:45] <Dolp> I'm gonna go with ext2
[04:45] <slava_dp> ext4
[04:45] <Dolp> slava the guide says 2 is the best
[04:46] <slava_dp> stu, yes, unless you tell it to update after each command
[04:46] <slava_dp> Dolp, the guide is very datd.
[04:46] <slava_dp> dated.
[04:46] <Dolp> oh, so ext4?
[04:46] <slava_dp> yes.
[04:46] <Dolp> I've got a 50gb partion, so ext4=the best idea
[04:46] <surrounder> that doesn't have anything todo with each other
[04:47] <toor_> hello
[04:47] <surrounder> hey toor_
[04:48] <toor_> I installed slackware 13.0 yesterday and I m running fluxbox startet with xdm, and my keyboard layout drives me crazy :P
[04:48] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.93.61) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[04:49] <slava_dp> toor_, /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi
[04:49] <slava_dp> read it carefully, and copy to /etc. don't edit it in-place.
[04:50] <toor_> thx >(
[04:50] <toor_> hrr hrr
[04:50] <toor_> :)
[04:51] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware.
[04:54] toor_ (1000@f051054177.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal
[04:56] toor_ (1000@f051054177.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware.
[04:56] <toor_> damn, that didn't help :P
[04:56] <toor_> I copied to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and edited, restartet hal, restarted X
[04:56] <stu> how do i confine the command 'su' to a set number of users only?
[04:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware.
[04:57] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware.
[04:57] <slava_dp> stu, man suauth
[04:57] <toor_> still the us layout :(
[04:58] <trhodes> toor_: are you using an xorg.conf ?
[04:59] <toor_> yes
[04:59] <toor_> evdev driver
[04:59] <slava_dp> then specify layouts in xorg.conf
[04:59] <toor_> hmm
[04:59] <Dolp> okay it asks my package series selection.
[04:59] <Dolp> what do i get?
[04:59] <slava_dp> Dolp, do a full install
[05:00] <Dolp> what one is that?
[05:00] <Dolp> A- base linux system?
[05:00] <trhodes> all
[05:00] <slava_dp> install everything, but kdei
[05:00] <slava_dp> kdei is kde translations, you might also not need emacs.
[05:01] <Dolp> uhh, it has no full install, only a series of letters that tell me what I get from them
[05:01] <Dolp> so KDEI? (Internation language support for KDE)
[05:01] <slava_dp> so check everything, but kdei, and go on
[05:02] <toor_> do I have to use the Option "Xkbfoo" directives with the evdev driver too?
[05:03] <slava_dp> toor_, i don't have an example xorg.conf to show, but you specify layouts in the Keyboard section.
[05:04] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[05:04] <Dolp> so..
[05:04] <Dolp> uh, the screen before full install..]
[05:04] <toor_> I thinked that XkbLayout stuff is just for the kbd driver
[05:04] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[05:04] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[05:04] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.106.96) joined ##slackware.
[05:04] <Dolp> the one with lots of lettars...
[05:05] <Dolp> oh i see it now
[05:05] <Dolp> okay, installing
[05:05] <toor_> hehe
[05:05] <toor_> still us layout :/
[05:06] <trhodes> toor_: what are you usign if not kbd ?
[05:06] <trhodes> *ugin
[05:06] <trhodes> *using
[05:06] <slava_dp> well I was using kbd
[05:07] <Dolp> uhh does a [*] mean It's selected?
[05:07] <toor_> trhodes: I'm using the evdev
[05:07] <toor_> and I already modprobed it :P
[05:07] <trhodes> ok
[05:07] stu (~stuart@115.135.90.128) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[05:08] <toor_> so I thinked that hal stuff would fix it, but not :((
[05:08] <trhodes> Option "XkbLayout" "layoutname" # from the evdev manpage
[05:08] <trhodes> (defaults to us)
[05:10] <toor_> that's already inside my xorg.conf with "de"
[05:12] visco (~visco@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware.
[05:13] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.90.128) joined ##slackware.
[05:13] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware.
[05:14] <toor_> if I search the evdev manpage for Xkb I get no hits
[05:14] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[05:14] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.34.152) joined ##slackware.
[05:14] <stuart__> how do i choose what programs start at boot?
[05:14] <heaumer_> stuart__: /etc/rc.d/rc.*
[05:15] <The-Croupier> greetings
[05:15] <stuart__> so i just delete rc.whatever i don't want?
[05:15] <alreadygone> greetings The-Croupier ... you sound like a bot
[05:15] <The-Croupier> stuart__: or make them NOT executable
[05:15] <The-Croupier> alreadygone: lol ;)
[05:16] <alreadygone> :)
[05:16] <stuart__> The-Croupier, how, with permissions?
[05:16] <slava_dp> stuart__, chmod +x rc.foo, or chmod -x
[05:16] <stuart__> ok cool
[05:16] <toor_> stuart__: read man init :)
[05:16] <Dolp> doootdootodoot, installing takes forever.
[05:17] <surrounder> Dolp: quit whining
[05:17] <slava_dp> yeah, man init is a good piece of info.
[05:17] <Dolp> :-|
[05:17] <The-Croupier> hiya  slava_dp ;) how are you doing bro??
[05:17] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[05:17] <slava_dp> The-Croupier, i'm just fine, thanks :) what about you?
[05:18] <toor_> I have to continue searching on that layout thing =))
[05:18] <Zordrak> stuart__: to be fair this is all very well covered in the slackbook
[05:18] <The-Croupier> ohh great, just sorting out some  last minute things
[05:18] <Dolp> surrounder, do i skip making a usb boot stick?
[05:18] <Zordrak> Dolp: thats your choice
[05:18] <Zordrak> Dolp: make it
[05:19] <alienBOB> Skip it
[05:19] <Dolp> I asked surrounder:/
[05:19] <Dolp> well i skipped it
[05:19] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: i corrected your name in the script ;) ( i  think)
[05:19] <surrounder> but surrounder needs to earn a living so surrounder can't answer instantly
[05:19] <alienBOB> No idea what you are talking about The-Croupier ;-)
[05:20] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: sorry my mistake, in my  website ;) i corrected your name on the link ;)
[05:20] <Dolp> I'm dual booting debian and slackware, will LILO interfer with GRUB?
[05:20] <surrounder> Dolp: don't PM me without asking
[05:20] <Zordrak> Dolp: use one or the other
[05:20] <Dolp> oh sorry surrounder.
[05:20] <trhodes> indeed, it's bad etiquette to target individuals in a channel where your question is not specific
[05:20] <Dolp> surrounder, do I install LILO or do I use grub?
[05:21] <surrounder> whatever floats your boat
[05:21] <Zordrak> Dolp: we are here to help.. not to spoon feed. If you want surrounder to install it for you, pay him.
[05:21] <Dolp> ...
[05:21] <slava_dp> toss a coin
[05:21] <Dolp> Will LILO interfere with GRUB?
[05:21] <Zordrak> 10:19:32 < Zordrak> Dolp: use one or the other
[05:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood
[05:21] <Dolp> ugh. w/e I'll use GRUB
[05:22] <Dolp> will GRUB show slackware on it?
[05:22] <The-Croupier> Dolp: wy not?
[05:22] <Zordrak> Dolp: If you add it to the grub config
[05:22] <surrounder> not without configuring it Dolp
[05:22] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware.
[05:22] <Dolp> surrounder, I doubt configuring it is hard, right?
[05:23] <Zordrak> Dolp: For us, no. For you.... probablyp
[05:23] <Dolp> Zordak, when I sleep I can do it with eese
[05:23] <alienBOB> Dolp: I would not install LILO to the MBR, but instead to the root partition, and then configure GRUB to chainload LILO
[05:23] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0
[05:23] <Dolp> alienBOB, what, can you show me a guide to do that?
[05:24] <alienBOB> No, it's your grub not mine
[05:24] <Zordrak> alienBOB: Really? Would seem to fail kiss.
[05:24] <alienBOB> Zordrak: really what?
[05:24] <Dolp> aleinBOB, that idea seems stupid. no offense
[05:24] <toor_> even without an xorg.conf it does not work :(
[05:24] <Zordrak> alienBOB: the recommendation to run both with chainload
[05:24] <Dolp> I'm going to configuire my mouse now, it's a USB one, so I'll pick the USB option :P
[05:24] <toor_> xdm has english layout, fluxbox too
[05:25] <surrounder> Dolp: actually it might save you hosing your bootloader, be glad with his advice
[05:25] <surrounder> +from
[05:25] <Dolp> surrounder, I have no idea what he said.
[05:25] <toor_> I m trying to fix this for hours now =)
[05:25] <surrounder> Dolp: but you think his idea is stupid? righty...
[05:25] <Dolp> surrounder, well it sounds it
[05:25] <Dolp> hold up I'll llook
[05:26] <Dolp> ...so you want me to not put LILO into the master boot record, but instead put LILO into the root partion, then make grub recognise LILO?
[05:26] <Dolp> eh/
[05:26] <The-Croupier> hey guys, if i have some port in the router that i dont know but it is open...is there a way to close it? i cannot do anything in the web-interface of the router...but i think i can telnet in it...;)
[05:26] toor_ (1000@f051054177.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: leaving
[05:28] <surrounder> Dolp: don't care how you do it, but the questions you've asked so far don't really show any skill or willingness to learn so yeah, that advice is quite alright...even save
[05:28] <Dolp> surrounder is there a guide to this?
[05:28] <alienBOB> Dolp: grub does not need to know about lilo. All you do is tell it to chainload whatever bootloader is present on the SLackware partition. Exactly as you would do it with a Windows partition
[05:29] <stuart__> installing LILO over GRUB is quite sucky, imho
[05:29] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: if its a standard ADSL router then im pretty sure you cant close off ports because the ports are just an unmanaged switch fed into the rest of the system
[05:29] <stuart__> unless you start off with a clean MBR
[05:29] <Dolp> alien BOB, any guide to that/
[05:29] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: that sucks....:(
[05:29] <surrounder> Dolp: http://tinyurl.com/y8xq6as
[05:30] <trhodes> knew that was comin' :)
[05:30] <The-Croupier> there are some telnet, ssh,and one unknown port that i need  to close  :(
[05:30] <surrounder> trhodes: :D
[05:30] <surrounder> trhodes: would rather use hugeurl though :P
[05:30] <The-Croupier> i dont use telnet, i dont ssh to the box  ever, and i definately dont want something unknown port running
[05:30] <alienBOB> Dolp: a google search (which you could have done just as well) shows http://www.brunolinux.com/05-Configuring_Your_System/Multiboot_grub.html among a 1000 others
[05:30] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: ohth TCP ports?
[05:31] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: i thought you meant actual switch ports
[05:31] <trhodes> The-Croupier: what is your router ?
[05:31] <Zordrak> yeh most ADSL routers i know just use iptables
[05:31] <The-Croupier> its a stupid airties 130, its not supported anymore... :( my brother bought it
[05:31] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: not a switch
[05:32] <trhodes> well, those are also often switches
[05:32] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: no i know.. but 4 port adsl routers are a modem hooked up to an unmanaged switch
[05:33] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: ohh  i see...
[05:33] <The-Croupier> that sucks again :(
[05:34] <The-Croupier> i hate not being able to manage the ports of the stupid router
[05:34] <Zordrak> yes but.. if you can telnet in.. then you should have access to modify iptables rules as they are useally running linux
[05:34] <The-Croupier> from telneting to it, its a busybox, with built in shell (ash)
[05:34] <Zordrak> but that will only let you handle what goes modem->switch or switch->modem
[05:35] <trhodes> you're off to a good start, since you have a shell
[05:35] <Zordrak> you cant turn individual switch ports on and off and you cant manage communication from one switch port to another
[05:35] <Zordrak> for that you need a proper managed switch
[05:35] <Zordrak> and *SOME* ADSL routers have proper managed switches but they are muy espensivo
[05:35] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: i do have another switch connected to that router thing..
[05:36] <trhodes> what does busybox have to show what's listening ? netstat ?
[05:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[05:36] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[05:36] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[05:36] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware.
[05:36] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host
[05:36] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware.
[05:36] <Zordrak> trhodes: busybox has nathing.. it depends on the router as to what tools have been provided.. usually there is VERY little
[05:36] <trhodes> indeed
[05:37] <The-Croupier> that is not very nice...  :( so the only way is to actually  create some iptables in the router... and have it manage the ports that way
[05:38] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: you need to clarify what you mean by "manage ports"
[05:38] <trhodes> (probably tcp / udp)
[05:38] <trhodes> The-Croupier: you should explore what's already on your router, assuming you have a shell
[05:38] <The-Croupier> yep, tcp/udp,
[05:39] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: then anthing the web interface wont let you do should be dable with iptablesn
[05:39] <Zordrak> run iptables -L to see the curent state
[05:39] <The-Croupier> ok , definately
[05:39] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[05:39] <The-Croupier> i just run netstat -a like 5mins ago...and it still hasnt responded...this router  sucks
[05:39] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: tbh id be surprised if it HAS netstat
[05:40] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: well, i tried... i typed help  and it has like 25commands altogether... :(
[05:40] <Zordrak> indeed.
[05:40] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[05:40] <Zordrak> router environments suck
[05:40] <The-Croupier> netstat is not there :(
[05:41] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-51.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[05:41] <trhodes> haha, things like that are why i use a small computer instead of embedded devices
[05:41] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[05:41] <Zordrak> youre never supposed to use them except for debugging
[05:41] <Zordrak> the fact that you can use them is a miracle
[05:41] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[05:42] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware.
[05:42] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host
[05:42] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware.
[05:44] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[05:44] <Dolp> so i use a USB mouse, the option I pick is usb?
[05:45] <Dolp> right i do, sorry, my...err..can't think
[05:45] <Zordrak> Dolp: no.. use the option for a touchscreen instead...(!)
[05:45] <Dolp> hahahahha, anyway moving on
[05:46] <stuart__> even for a fairly fast computer i still find the basicness of fluxbox very appealing
[05:46] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware.
[05:46] <Zordrak> stuart__: yes.. fluxbox is very good
[05:46] <surrounder> stuart__: the *boxes are nice wms indeed
[05:46] <surrounder> use openbox atm here at work
[05:46] <Dolp> http://images.maketecheasier.com/2010/01/slackware13-services.jpg I'm up to here, what do I pick?
[05:47] <Zordrak> Dolp: whatever you want to pick
[05:47] <trhodes> probably going to switch to a *box, myself, at least for a while
[05:47] <Zordrak> Dolp: go ask your mummy
[05:47] <stuart__> very good indeed. i don't know if i'll ever go to 'eye candy WMs' even when the day comes that our RAMs are the same size as our harddisks now
[05:47] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[05:48] <Dolp> Zordak, I'll ask you to ignore me now
[05:48] <Dolp> Stuart__ Do you know what I need at this step http://images.maketecheasier.com/2010/01/slackware13-services.jpg
[05:48] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.52.245) joined ##slackware.
[05:48] <Zordrak> stuart__: fwiw kde4 might seem like useless eye candy, but you soon roalise that its actually a very well integrated suite of applications that work very well together and can greatly help productivity... it just happens to be pretty too
[05:48] <surrounder> Dolp: how can we know something like that ?
[05:48] <Dolp> okay, surrounder, what do YOU suggest?
[05:49] <Dolp> I don't want to do anything outside of Perl and python...
[05:49] <trhodes> Dolp: http://slash7.com/pages/vampires
[05:49] <Dolp> so servers and etc don't matter?
[05:49] <surrounder> hold on, let me look into your mind first
[05:49] <stuart__> Dolp: i don't know man i usually just press enter when that menu comes up
[05:49] <Zordrak> Dolp: So.. your plan is to whine and cry at each and every person individually until every single person is ignoring you because you cant handle the simple truth than we are not here to spoon feed you and that you should be finding these answers out for yourself..
[05:50] <surrounder> trhodes: lol @ link
[05:50] <Dolp> throdes, Just confused.
[05:50] <stuart__> Zordrak: it feels quite 'bloated' though
[05:50] <Dolp> Zordak, you are indeed mad, possibley butthurt.
[05:50] <trhodes> if you can set up ssh, it's nice to have
[05:51] <trhodes> if you don't know what it is, you probably don't need it
[05:51] <Zordrak> stuart__: i agree.. that was my initial impression too.. but i wouldnt decide not to use it without giving it a trial for a week... it works so well as an integrated productivity system
[05:51] <trhodes> and you can change it later
[05:51] <trhodes> Zordrak: yeah, i'm lovin' KDE as it is
[05:51] <jhw> Dolp: just klick OK without changing anything ...
[05:51] <Zordrak> stuart__: its not even as resource hungry as it would seem
[05:51] <Dolp> Okayh i got the rest down
[05:52] <trhodes> i don't have accelerated graphics on one machine, and it's probably a better *box candidate simply because of that
[05:52] <Zordrak> stuart__: with absolutely everything running.. all my standard apps all kde widgets and graphical extras and window compositing, its STILL using less ram than windowsXP
[05:52] <stuart__> i mean i've been on KDE since forever and xfce whenever i feel i want simplicity, but *box makes me feel so fresh n clean
[05:53] <stuart__> Zordrak: yeah well it's windows lol
[05:53] <Zordrak> stuart__: It's totally your choice and you should use what feels comfortable. All I can say is that you shouldn't dismiss KDE4 without trying it out for a short while
[05:53] <Dolp> stuart__ KDE? Isn't that bloated? I'm going with fluxbox
[05:54] <Zordrak> Dolp: Are you frigging stoned?
[05:54] <stuart__> i think this OCD with keeping things organized and only running ABSOLUTELY necessary stuff and having spartan desktop comes from the fact i used a p100 most of my life
[05:54] <trhodes> KDE has really cut back on the bloat... it does more than other WM/DE's
[05:54] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware.
[05:54] <Dolp> Zordrack, sorry,  I meant KDE a while ago
[05:54] <Dolp> trhodes, so KDE is finally better than GNOME or xorg?
[05:54] <surrounder> ...
[05:54] <Zordrak> ...
[05:55] <surrounder> yeah it's far better than xorg!
[05:55] <wario> ...
[05:55] Action: surrounder cries a little
[05:55] <trhodes> Dolp: IMO, yes KDE is better than GNOME
[05:55] <Dolp> throdes. thought so
[05:55] <stuart__> if only my room was as neat as my home directory
[05:55] <surrounder> hehe
[05:56] <trhodes> the only GNOME i've used as of late is on a *buntu machine, though
[05:57] <stuart__> wth is a help vampire
[05:57] <Dolp> stuart
[05:57] <Dolp> oops
[05:57] <surrounder> stuart__: maybe you should read the link ?
[05:57] <Zordrak> stuart__: Dolp is a help vampire
[05:57] <stuart__> oh nvm i didn't scroll down
[05:57] <stuart__> hahahaha
[05:57] <Dolp> stuart___ help vampire is a name given to someone that asks simple questions but peoplewho barely help (Zordrak) get butthurt and mad, thus they make these articles to make themselves feel better
[05:57] <Dolp> :)
[05:58] <trhodes> http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[05:58] <trhodes> self-sufficiency is a good thing (tm)
[05:58] <Dolp> well thats done
[05:59] <wario> Dolp: They're people who fill channels with questions that have been answered 100s of times before and can be easily found with a little effor.
[05:59] <Zordrak> phrags: Need some exercise? We've got an inflatable douchebag for you to pound on..
[05:59] <Dolp> I need sleep. Then I can figuire out what I'm doing; rather than just having my vision blur every ten seconds
[05:59] <trhodes> coffee ftw
[05:59] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[05:59] <Dolp> wario, lets count up the amount of times you answered any help questions from anyone in the last 4 hours---....making the total, 0. 0 help given. oh u mad.
[05:59] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.52.245) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[06:00] <trhodes> how many did he need to answer ?
[06:00] <surrounder> Dolp: how difficult is it to search for information yourself ?
[06:00] <Dolp> surrounder, I did
[06:00] <Dolp> Anyway last thing is putting slackware into GRUB, thats the last bit
[06:00] <surrounder> Dolp: after I send you 2 links explaining the working of google
[06:01] <Dolp> surrounder, I doubt that, anyway I can't read as my vision blurs constantly
[06:01] <Dolp> really I need bed
[06:01] <lw0x15> Dolp: fuck off to bed then
[06:01] <lw0x15> fucking hell
[06:01] <lw0x15> you been whining here all day now
[06:01] <stuart__> somehow i find ctrl+alt+left/right arrow easier to press than ctrl+f1+f2+f3 though, that's the only thing i prefer in gnome
[06:01] <Dolp> have  not
[06:01] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware.
[06:01] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host
[06:01] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware.
[06:01] <surrounder> stuart__: change it then :)
[06:01] <Zordrak> stuart__: if you dont like the defaults.. change them
[06:01] <Zordrak> stuart__: its easy
[06:02] <stuart__> eh there is? hahahaha
[06:02] <Dolp> meanwhile lw0x15 has done nothing, thanks for doing nothing lw0x15. Open source communities need people like you...who do nothing...ever.
[06:02] Dolp (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431]
[06:02] <lw0x15> yeah
[06:02] Lap_64 (~Lap_64@unaffiliated/lap64) joined ##slackware.
[06:02] <Lap_64> hi there
[06:02] <Lap_64> just want to know
[06:03] <Lap_64> if  slackware  has any utility to update the system and other packages
[06:03] <stuart__> i'll bet he's gonna come back and ask why lilo's screwed up on his previously grubbed machine
[06:03] <lw0x15> lmao stuart__
[06:03] <Lap_64> like  in fedora it is  yum and gentoo its  emerge
[06:03] <trhodes> Lap_64: slackpkg for the base packages
[06:03] <Zordrak> Lap_64: slackpkgf
[06:03] <Zordrak> Lap_64: slackpkg
[06:03] <surrounder> stuart__: really curious about where he installed lilo indeed
[06:03] <wario> some people don't get it
[06:03] <Lap_64> so it works like it takes care of  depnedencies as well ?
[06:03] <trhodes> w00t ! he's gone !
[06:04] <trhodes> Lap_64: no
[06:04] <trhodes> Lap_64: nothing official (or recommended here) does
[06:04] <Lap_64> cant we port something like emerge on slackware ?
[06:04] <lw0x15> lol
[06:04] <trhodes> Lap_64: yes, but it's not very slack, then
[06:04] <Lap_64> i remember there was a utility called  emerde
[06:05] <Lap_64> trhodes,  ok so whats the bst practice to keep you slackware update ?
[06:05] <LSD`> Lap_64: using another distro :P
[06:05] <Lap_64> LSD`,  NO CHANCE
[06:05] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[06:05] <alisonken1noc> Lap_64, there's 3rd party stuff for that - but it's not supported here
[06:05] <trhodes> Lap_64: like has been said, slackpkg, or just following what's in UPGRADE.TXT at releases
[06:05] <Lap_64> LSD`,   my firat ever  distro was slackware
[06:06] <alreadygone> trhodes, thank you for the link.... http://slash7.com/pages/vampires
[06:06] <Lap_64> LSD`,  then i moved to gentoo
[06:06] <trhodes> alreadygone: yw :)
[06:06] <Lap_64> LSD`,  now coming back to slack again
[06:06] <LSD`> Lap_64: "put up or shut up" is the best answer you're going to get to your query here. I don't agree with it, but it's been the slackware way for over 15 years.
[06:06] <Zordrak> Lap_64: Go to the links in the /topic. They will answer your questions clearly and succinctly.
[06:06] <alisonken1noc> official slackware packages are handled by slackpkg and unofficial package build scripts at slackbuilds.org (with sbopkg)
[06:06] <Lap_64> ok
[06:06] <Lap_64> thanks  a lot  guys for your  help
[06:07] <surrounder> Lap_64: your spacebar is broken
[06:07] <Lap_64> surrounder,  might be
[06:07] <lw0x15> lol
[06:07] <Lap_64> anyways will be back
[06:07] <Lap_64> with more  questions
[06:07] <Lap_64> i guess
[06:07] <lw0x15> =[
[06:07] <Lap_64> thanks
[06:07] <Lap_64> for your help folks
[06:08] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[06:08] j0z (~SPH@201.22.44.209) joined ##slackware.
[06:08] j0z (~SPH@201.22.44.209) left irc: Changing host
[06:08] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware.
[06:08] <wario> trhodes: that vampires links is funny yet scary at the same time
[06:09] <trhodes> wario: garlic
[06:09] <trhodes> you mean the design is scary ?
[06:10] <trhodes> ie, pink'n'pastels ?
[06:10] <Zordrak> To use autofs or not to use autofs.. THAT is the question :/
[06:10] <wario> the truism
[06:11] <trhodes> oh, ok
[06:12] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[06:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-51.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[06:12] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[06:15] Lap_64 (~Lap_64@unaffiliated/lap64) left irc: Quit: .....Beer is the cure !!!!!
[06:17] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware.
[06:17] <stuart__> does anyone else have problems with pidgin not having sound alerts?
[06:18] <trhodes> i did
[06:18] <trhodes> what sound method is it using ?
[06:18] <stuart__> trhodes: what did you do about it?
[06:18] <stuart__> alsa..
[06:18] <trhodes> (actually, I use finch)
[06:18] <trhodes> i eventually went the path of least resistance and set it to use an external command
[06:18] <trhodes> aplay -q # iirc
[06:18] <stuart__> i mean it can't use alsa or whatever. i got aMSN and it sucked
[06:19] <stuart__> okay i'm gonna reinstall it and see
[06:19] <trhodes> just change the sound method
[06:19] <trhodes> you probably wont even need the -q option unless you use finch
[06:21] <stuart__> eh finch is terminal based? you mean i can ssh it too?
[06:21] <Delahunt> pidgin on my machine never properly sends sounds unless i tell it to use aplay
[06:22] <Zordrak> stuart__: the problem is that 13.0 didnt ship with gst-plugins-good
[06:22] <trhodes> play -q -t wav %s
[06:22] <surrounder> stuart__: cli apps you can just use in screen indeed
[06:22] <trhodes> that's actually what I'm using with pulseaudio
[06:22] <Zordrak> stuart__: if you install it it will work fine
[06:22] <surrounder> stuart__: I use irssi with bitlbee in a screen on my home machine
[06:22] <surrounder> stuart__: works great
[06:22] <trhodes> yeah, i'm gonan do that
[06:22] <trhodes> *going to
[06:23] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware.
[06:23] <trhodes> does bitlbee do file transfers ? (oscar in particular)
[06:23] <stuart__> hm okay first things first gotta get gst-plugins
[06:23] <surrounder> trhodes: oscar I don't know, think there is a patch for MSN but I never tried it
[06:23] <surrounder> trhodes: it can do facebook chat too nowadays though :)
[06:24] <trhodes> nice
[06:24] <trhodes> i just need to get my friends that do AIM files transfers to do something else :/
[06:24] <trhodes> it's awful to begin with
[06:25] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[06:25] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[06:25] <surrounder> trhodes: just give them an account on your ftp server (here, put this into your adres bar in IE or whatever and drag your file too it)
[06:25] <surrounder> *to it
[06:26] <trhodes> i actually did that with one time passwords in debian
[06:27] <trhodes> but... it's debian :(
[06:27] <surrounder> what's wrong with debian?
[06:27] <trhodes> besides packaging philosophy, not much. i did enjoy PAM
[06:28] <stuart__> is there a significant difference in PC strain, heat, and electricity usage between just running off console and GUI?
[06:28] <Zordrak> stuart__: depends what youre doing
[06:29] <trhodes> my dad actually gets significantly better battery life with an eeepc with no GUI, but yeah - it depends, try it and see
[06:29] <stuart__> Zordrak: nothing fancy, just gonna be turned on as long as it can, controlled remotely to do normal stuff, and bittorrent
[06:29] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware.
[06:30] <trhodes> you can skip a GUI then
[06:30] <surrounder> stuart__: like...a server? :P
[06:30] <stuart__> surrounder: hahaha yea damn.
[06:30] Moat (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[06:30] <surrounder> no need for X then
[06:31] <stuart__> hm.. i think i need to let same laptops idle and see how much juice i can actually save with console vs. gui
[06:31] <Zordrak> i have a server that doesnt run in runlevel 4, but i run fluxbox in a vnc only session for azureus
[06:32] <surrounder> considered rtorrent? or does azureus provide features not found in rtorrent ?
[06:32] <trhodes> heh, they call it vuze now
[06:33] <Zordrak> i know.. but i still call it azureus
[06:33] <Zordrak> it does what i want from it
[06:35] <trhodes> i'm like that with my email client... i could get mutt living entirely within screen, but so far have continued to use kmail
[06:36] <trhodes> email in cli would be hard to adjust to
[06:36] <surrounder> kmail is sweet indeed
[06:36] ph33r (~inferno@195.112.221.105) joined ##slackware.
[06:36] <surrounder> trhodes: can it talk with exchange servers already ?
[06:36] <surrounder> MAPI that is
[06:37] <trhodes> i don't know :P yuck
[06:37] <ph33r> hello, i installed Slackware 13 with win 7, after some time i had to format the win7 part, now i cant chosse what os to load from the lilo screen
[06:37] <ph33r> can u please help me to grup it am a new in linux
[06:37] <surrounder> trhodes: I know, need it at work though...no I'm running SLED with Evolution but SLED itself has it's issues.. :(
[06:38] <trhodes> ahh
[06:38] <trhodes> maybe fetchexc would be helpful
[06:39] <surrounder> trhodes: that's only for mail right? would nice to be have calender stuff and so..
[06:40] Moat (chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware.
[06:40] <surrounder> even my phone has exchange integration, grr :P
[06:41] <surrounder> time for lunch, brb
[06:41] <trhodes> ph33r: what partition did you install slackware on ?
[06:41] <ph33r> i forgot :\
[06:41] <trhodes> (or disk)
[06:41] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware.
[06:41] <ananke> surrounder: yeah, i don't think kontact integrates with exchange as nicely as it ought to. my phone does it better too
[06:42] <ph33r> trhodes, i already runned a live cd to save time :\
[06:43] <trhodes> so, there is no win7 ?
[06:43] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[06:43] <ph33r> yes tehre is
[06:43] <alisonken1noc> not on my machnies
[06:43] <trhodes> lol
[06:43] <trhodes> (same here)
[06:44] <The-Croupier> something is wrong with my whole network...:(
[06:44] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-251.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[06:45] <ananke> ph33r: you'd have to reinstall lilo. easiest way to do it is by booting to a live cd, mounting your root/boot filesystems, chrooting into them and running 'lilo'
[06:45] <ph33r> ananke thats what they tould me to do
[06:46] <stuart__> do i need to restart anything after installing gst-plugins ?
[06:46] <ph33r> but am a new in linux i dont know the cmd's x(
[06:46] <Delahunt> ph33r, it would go something like this:
[06:46] <Delahunt> (insert cd, boot, etc)
[06:46] <ananke> ph33r: time to work on your google skills :) 'slackware windows restore lilo'
[06:46] <ph33r> done
[06:46] <The-Croupier> what is a quick command to clear iptables? via telnet?
[06:47] <ananke> The-Croupier: iptables -F will flush the rules
[06:47] <Delahunt> um, ok, then, ph33r , are you using LUKS or LVM? or is this a plain install?
[06:47] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[06:47] <alisonken1noc> but it won't flush any user-created chains
[06:47] <The-Croupier> ananke: thanks, so  it doenst matter if it is via anything ;)
[06:47] <Delahunt> The-Croupier, just be warned, if you are using policy of DENY that will cut you off from it
[06:47] <ananke> yep
[06:47] <ph33r> aaa? :|
[06:47] <Delahunt> ph33r, you just used the setup program to install, right?
[06:48] <The-Croupier> alisonken1noc: what do you  mean?
[06:48] <The-Croupier> i was just thinking of flushing everything  from the crappy router that i got...;)
[06:48] <alisonken1noc> The-Croupier, the last time I checked, it won't flush the rules in user-created chains
[06:48] <The-Croupier> than start to create something more reliable myself :(
[06:49] <ananke> The-Croupier: are you sure you can create something more reliable yourself, if you don't know how to flush rules/etc? :)
[06:50] <The-Croupier> ananke: yep, i am reading the man, and there are some examples  online ;) just wasnt sure if it would work via telnet ;)
[06:51] <The-Croupier> ananke: the only way  to find out, is to try
[06:51] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-73-155.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte
[06:53] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware.
[06:53] <ananke> The-Croupier: of course. good news is that sounds like that device is within reach, and you're not saving anything. if things go wrong, simply reboot
[06:53] <The-Croupier> ananke: ;) yep,
[06:54] <The-Croupier> nothing to loose apart from  some little time ;)
[06:54] <alisonken1noc> The-Croupier, my mistake - iptables -F will flush all the rules, but it won't delete user created chains
[06:54] <alisonken1noc> so the rules in the chains are flushed, but the chains are retained
[06:55] <The-Croupier> alisonken1noc: np ;) thanks
[06:55] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware.
[06:55] <The-Croupier> time to go and mes with my router ;) crappy thingie... i hate shitty routers...:(
[06:56] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[06:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[06:56] <alisonken1noc> just don't lock yourself out while creating the rules :)
[06:57] <Delahunt> usually it's iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F; iptables -X; iptables -Z
[07:01] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip
[07:01] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware.
[07:04] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Imma outta here
[07:10] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-165-23.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[07:11] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[07:11] The-Croupier (ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware.
[07:13] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[07:13] ph33r (~inferno@195.112.221.105) left irc: Quit: ¤{Wi§e} §ç®îpt¤ ßÿ {Wi§e} - §y§-error
[07:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[07:15] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[07:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-251.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[07:15] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[07:15] Moat (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[07:17] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-165-23.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware.
[07:20] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6E763.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware.
[07:21] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Quit: leaving
[07:21] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-21.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[07:22] Moat (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457]
[07:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[07:22] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[07:24] goj (~goj@p4FE6E685.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[07:24] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj
[07:24] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware.
[07:25] Moat (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[07:28] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[07:29] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[07:29] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[07:32] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[07:33] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Disconnected by services
[07:33] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-22-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[07:34] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Client Quit
[07:34] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[07:34] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Client Quit
[07:34] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-21.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[07:34] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[07:35] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[07:38] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[07:40] j0z (~SPH@200.146.8.225) joined ##slackware.
[07:40] j0z (~SPH@200.146.8.225) left irc: Changing host
[07:40] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware.
[07:47] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware.
[07:51] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-whougbbxvmcahiod) joined ##slackware.
[07:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware.
[07:55] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[07:57] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) joined ##slackware.
[07:57] <Moat> i wana add slakware entry to my ubuntu grub2  any guides? I can't find any for some reason
[07:58] geekphreak (~user@unaffiliated/geekphreak) joined ##slackware.
[07:58] <geekphreak> Moat:  good luck :)
[07:58] geekphreak (user@unaffiliated/geekphreak) left ##slackware ("Leaving.").
[07:59] <Zordrak> Moat: same as any other entry
[07:59] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware.
[07:59] <Zordrak> Moat: point it at the right device (hdx,y), tell it where the kernel is
[07:59] <Zordrak> tel it where the initrd is (IF you use one) and boot
[08:00] <trhodes> iirc, grub2 does a lot of automagic - you may not need to do anything besides update-grub
[08:01] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[08:01] <trhodes> oh, n/m
[08:01] <trhodes> that was the distro doing all the automation
[08:01] geekphreak (~user@unaffiliated/geekphreak) joined ##slackware.
[08:01] <trhodes> Moat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#User-defined%20Entries
[08:01] <adamk> You can also configure grub2 to just chainload the partition you installed lilo to when you installed slackware.
[08:02] <Moat> didn't install lilo...
[08:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware.
[08:03] <geekphreak> ok
[08:07] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-76.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[08:08] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[08:08] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[08:09] <stuart__> i hate update-grub, the last time i did it it gave me 6 options for ubuntu and 6 for slack
[08:10] <stuart__> i hate grub2
[08:10] <trhodes> yeah, it's wacky
[08:10] <madbear> just edit the file!
[08:10] <sahk0> use lilo dawg
[08:10] <stuart__> if it was grub i'd willingly edit, but grub2? yucks
[08:10] <stuart__> told u he'd be back bout the lilo
[08:11] <adamk> Yeah, I have the Lucid beta  installed on my machine (simply for testing purposes), and the first thing I did was replace grub2 with grub.
[08:12] <sahk0> who's back?
[08:12] dguitar (~dguitar@cpe-76-178-242-76.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware.
[08:12] Nick change: stuart__ -> stuartd
[08:12] <Zordrak> Dolp
[08:12] <Zordrak> ( == Moat)
[08:13] Nick change: stuartd -> stu
[08:13] <Moat> Excuse me what?
[08:13] <trhodes> CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au
[08:13] Nick change: stu -> stu_
[08:13] <Moat> riiight...
[08:13] Moat (chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware.
[08:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-76.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[08:13] <Zordrak> lets see what his next nick isn
[08:15] <stu_> lol
[08:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-88.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[08:17] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[08:17] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[08:18] <geekphreak> u know him?
[08:19] <geekphreak> havent used slackware in a while :(
[08:20] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) joined ##slackware.
[08:20] geekphreak (user@unaffiliated/geekphreak) left ##slackware ("Leaving.").
[08:20] Moat (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware.
[08:20] Moat (chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware.
[08:21] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[08:22] <Zordrak> ^ lol, whoops.. forgot to change name
[08:23] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware.
[08:24] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[08:29] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[08:30] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware.
[08:33] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware.
[08:36] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware.
[08:36] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host
[08:36] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware.
[08:36] shadowkllr (~shadowkll@166.137.11.4) joined ##slackware.
[08:36] <stu_> which laptop network card is the most slackware friendly?
[08:36] <stu_> or linux friendly, cos my last dell laptop sucked with linux
[08:36] <phrag> ipw* works well
[08:36] <phrag> ipw2200 works well
[08:37] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[08:37] <stu_> neat. i'm not too familiar with laptops, do you guys send it in or is changing the network card doable on your own?
[08:37] <thrice`> most intel drivers will work great
[08:37] <Zordrak> stu_: mhat mas it? i have a lot of professional experience with linux on dell laptops and so far it has een a very good experience
[08:38] <Zordrak> stu_: I've never had to change a laptop nic
[08:38] <stu_> Zordrak: that stupid bcom thing
[08:38] <Zordrak> broadcom?
[08:38] <Zordrak> tigon3?
[08:38] <stu_> yeah that's it. broadcom
[08:38] <Zordrak> yeah, they work well
[08:38] <stu_> they do? i couldn't get it to work at all damn
[08:38] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-whougbbxvmcahiod) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[08:39] <Zordrak> Im literally talking to you from one right now on Slackware 13.0
[08:39] <Zordrak> 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5755M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
[08:39] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[08:39] <stu_> Zordrak: on wireless?
[08:40] <Zordrak> No, thats wired.. the wireless is intel
[08:40] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware.
[08:40] <Zordrak> 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
[08:40] <stu_> hm.. i think my wireless was broadcom as well
[08:40] <stu_> iirc
[08:40] <Zordrak> couldnt agree or disagree
[08:42] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware.
[08:43] <stu_> any USB wireless cards work well with slackware?
[08:44] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3989, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-02-20 03:59:56 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/
[08:45] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware.
[08:45] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[08:46] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[08:46] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds
[08:47] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware.
[08:47] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-132.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[08:47] alphad (~alphad@41.207.31.98) joined ##slackware.
[08:48] <Zordrak> stu_: http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless
[08:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-88.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[08:48] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[08:49] alphad_ (~quassel@41.207.31.98) joined ##slackware.
[08:50] <stu_> Zordrak: cool thanks
[08:53] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware.
[08:54] <stu_> be back laaterse, dinner
[08:54] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.90.128) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[08:54] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[08:55] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[08:55] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware.
[08:57] shadowkllr (~shadowkll@166.137.11.4) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
[09:00] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware.
[09:04] caixabox (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-wrhumromihxlnibj) joined ##slackware.
[09:04] <pi31415> http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/04/man-from-the-future-arrested-at-cerns-lhc-escaped-custody-true-identity-discovered.html
[09:05] <trhodes> oh good, that really had me worried :P
[09:05] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-132.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[09:07] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[09:11] <Ephedrax> Hi all :)
[09:13] <sitwon> pi31415: did they not understand that 4/1 jokes are supposed to be published on 4/1?
[09:14] Nick change: gartt_ -> gartt
[09:14] <Ephedrax> it's me, or the last current fucked up my cups ? I can't access any page, except the home :°)
[09:15] <mancha> cups?
[09:15] <Ephedrax> yep
[09:15] <Ephedrax> I've got only blank page in the admin interface :/
[09:15] <slava_dp> my cups works ok
[09:16] <Ephedrax> you're in current ?
[09:16] <slava_dp> yep
[09:16] <Ephedrax> rah.
[09:16] <Ephedrax> http://localhost:631/admin <- blank page.
[09:16] <mancha> are you sure you aren't blocking it?
[09:17] <Ephedrax> yep I'm sure, yesterday, my printer print well. But today: nooo :)
[09:17] <mancha> and the only change between yesterday and today is some upgrades? what did you upgrade?
[09:17] <slava_dp> reinstall cups perhaps?
[09:18] <Ephedrax> slava_dp: I take this solution if I can't find anythign else.
[09:18] <Ephedrax> mancha: no, just a reboot.
[09:18] <slava_dp> why, slackpkg reinstall cups won't hurt anyway
[09:18] <mancha> are you sure cups is running?
[09:18] <Ephedrax> When I said current slava_dp its just to be sure that answers could be on the same system.
[09:19] <Ephedrax> and yes mancha it's running, I tried to restart, and no prob with it.
[09:19] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware.
[09:19] <mancha> maybe a force reload of the webpage?  (cache issues?)
[09:20] <Ephedrax> I tried too.
[09:20] <slava_dp> ps ax | grep cups
[09:21] <Ephedrax>  2642 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[09:21] <slava_dp> restart it, if doesn't help, reinstall it.
[09:22] <slava_dp> it won't touch your configs.
[09:22] <trhodes> lsof -i :631
[09:22] <Ephedrax> well, I've got nothing very important in this conf.
[09:22] <Euthanatos> how can I install a second same program/different version?
[09:22] <Zordrak> anyone familiar with using heimdal for samba domain membership in slack?
[09:22] <Ephedrax> cupsd   2642 root    4u  IPv6  14484      0t0  TCP localhost:ipp (LISTEN)
[09:22] <Ephedrax> cupsd   2642 root    5u  IPv4  14485      0t0  TCP localhost:ipp (LISTEN)
[09:22] <Ephedrax> cupsd   2642 root    7u  IPv4  14488      0t0  UDP *:ipp
[09:22] <Ephedrax> for trhodes .
[09:23] <slava_dp> Euthanatos, installpkg sameprog-otherversion.tgz :)
[09:23] <Ephedrax> I'll try to reinstall it.
[09:23] <Ephedrax> brb
[09:23] <slava_dp> try to reload it first
[09:23] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[09:24] <Euthanatos> slava_dp, huh?  reload?
[09:24] <slava_dp> ^ was for Ephedrax
[09:24] <Euthanatos> but I mean....how do i differentiate between versions?
[09:24] <slava_dp> Euthanatos, what exactly are you trying to do?
[09:25] <Euthanatos> I have wesnoth 1.6.5 already compiled and installed.  I'd like to install 1.8 to test the new (not-so) 'stable' release.
[09:25] <Euthanatos> but i don't want to lose 1.6.5
[09:26] <slava_dp> it's best to upgradepkg, then reinstall 1.6.5 back when you are done
[09:26] <slava_dp> can't have two /usr/bin/wesnoth 's :)
[09:27] <Euthanatos> that's rediculous
[09:27] <slava_dp> and backup your ~/.wesnoth (or whatever it's called), cause the new version may update it and make it useless to the old wesnoth.
[09:27] <Euthanatos> I know theres a way to install two versions of the same program
[09:27] visco (~visco@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[09:28] <Euthanatos> I was reading about it but I don't remember where and I can't find fucking shit on google.  Everything I hit is something retardedly unrelated
[09:28] <mancha> Euth, i hate to say it but if you run -current and want to do more advanced things like have parallel app versions, your slackware fu is expected to be good enough to figure this out on your own
[09:28] <slava_dp> well, technically, there is installpkg --root /newroot, but you'll have to set library paths yourself :)
[09:28] <Euthanatos> mancha current?
[09:28] <Euthanatos> I'm on 13
[09:28] <slava_dp> mancha, confused Euthanatos and Ephedrax? lol
[09:29] <mancha> oh wow.
[09:29] <Euthanatos> lol
[09:29] <slava_dp> yeah, tough nicks today
[09:29] <mancha> totally thought i was talking toone person
[09:29] <Euthanatos> Yeah I don't mess with developmental shit very often.
[09:29] <mancha> *to one
[09:30] <mancha> Euth, the best way is to build the 2nd instance locally and changing the --prefix flag
[09:30] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-222.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware.
[09:30] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware.
[09:30] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[09:31] <Euthanatos> thanks mancha
[09:31] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware.
[09:31] <Euthanatos> I found something I'm reading now about ti
[09:31] <Ephedrax> Anyway, reinstall is always a good solution.
[09:31] <Ephedrax> it works now.
[09:31] <Ephedrax> thx :)
[09:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.105.186) joined ##slackware.
[09:32] <Zordrak> ok, ill backtrack.. does anyone have *any* experience of krb5 or heimdal on slack
[09:33] <slava_dp> Ephedrax, the cause of it is not clear. what is your root filesystem?
[09:33] <Ephedrax> reiserfs
[09:33] <slava_dp> Zordrak, the package maintainers? :)
[09:33] <Ephedrax> I looked if I've got some errors in messages, but no .
[09:33] <mancha> if you use krb5 use 1.6.4 or higher
[09:33] <Zordrak> mancha: sbo is 1.7 so no probs there
[09:34] <slava_dp> Ephedrax, if've had data corruption with ext4, but never with reiserfs, although it might have been one. do you have a UPS?
[09:34] <Zordrak> mancha: what have you used krb5 for in slack?
[09:34] <Ephedrax> UPS ?
[09:35] <slava_dp> battery backup
[09:35] <Ephedrax> yep
[09:35] <slava_dp> should have been fine then. so whatever, it works now.
[09:35] <Ephedrax> yep =)
[09:36] <slava_dp> mancha, although ./configure --prefix and installpkg --root give pretty much the same effect.
[09:37] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware.
[09:37] blackorca (~b@173-142-6-13.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware.
[09:37] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.106.96) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye...
[09:38] <mancha> for random gssapi auths
[09:39] <sitwon> sometimes, when the temperature gets up to 108F, it's not the humidity...
[09:39] <mancha> slava, in many cases probably so...sometimes configure macros are used by source code in #IF blocks though
[09:40] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[09:40] <Euthanatos> Uninterrupted Power Supply
[09:40] <sitwon> I need to learn to look at the screen when I type :-/
[09:40] <Euthanatos> He thought you were gonna ask him for his home address
[09:40] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[09:40] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[09:40] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[09:41] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[09:41] <slava_dp> Ephedrax, by the way, what's your home address? :D
[09:41] <Euthanatos> lol
[09:41] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[09:41] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[09:42] <Zordrak> No. Frigging. Way.
[09:42] <Ephedrax> slava_dp: why ?
[09:42] <slava_dp> was just kidding, never mind.
[09:42] <Skywise> he wants to mail you a clock
[09:42] <Ephedrax> you want some ephedrine ? :)
[09:42] <Zordrak> samba comes with the necessary libnss libraries to authenticate slackware DIRECTLY off an AD server!!
[09:42] <Skywise> do not be alarmed by the ticking package
[09:43] <slava_dp> hahaha
[09:43] <Skywise> yeah, samba without ad isn't of much use to a window shop
[09:43] <slava_dp> what's the use of authenticating samba off AD?
[09:43] <alisonken1noc> maintaining compatibility with your existing ms crap
[09:43] <ananke> slava_dp: ability to use samba in a windows shop
[09:44] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[09:44] <alisonken1noc> sorry - "your existing ms servers"
[09:44] <Zordrak> Skywise: not truee its been all we've used here for windows client acces-s to file storage for 10 years
[09:44] <Ephedrax> Okkk Euthanatos & slava_dp :) I just read your conversation ^^
[09:44] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[09:44] <Ephedrax> UPS sux, TNT is better btw xD
[09:45] <Zordrak> Skywise: but thats just basic password server setup
[09:45] <slava_dp> like to access shares on a windows server with the right privileges?
[09:45] <ananke> slava_dp: access to samba servers from windows clients, using their AD credentials
[09:45] <Zordrak> samba provides the ability to actually do slack local user accounts off AD
[09:45] <Zordrak> without PAM
[09:45] <Skywise> you can use ldap too
[09:46] <Zordrak> Skywise: yes.. but in a useless and insecure way
[09:46] <ananke> sure. you can use nis, ldap, local, or go for all out and use AD for all of it
[09:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.105.186) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[09:46] <Zordrak> ananke: yes, but its not exactly that simple in slack. for AD you have to add kerberos and recompile samba, for ldap you cant do proper ldap bind auth, only crypt lookp auth
[09:47] <Zordrak> nis is the only one that works exactly as its supposed to right out of the box
[09:47] <mancha> why aren't you in 1.8.x by the way?
[09:47] <Zordrak> (except local of course)
[09:47] <ananke> Zordrak: certainly, in slack doing all AD is not easy at all.
[09:47] <Zordrak> mancha: havent done anything with krb yet.. but SBo is 1.7.. i suppose i could mwanually make it 1.8
[09:48] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad26ee.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware.
[09:48] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[09:49] <Zordrak> ananke: thankfully for now i just want samba auth.. not local account ad auth.. i just never knew you could
[09:49] <mancha> 1.8 has lots of performance upgrades and removes backfuck encyrption
[09:49] <Zordrak> mancha: kk. should poke the maintainer
[09:49] <ananke> i'm still doing the nis/AD combo, switching to ldap/AD in a near future
[09:49] <Zordrak> ananke: same here
[09:50] Action: ananke can't wait to kill nis
[09:51] <gar0t0> Hello ppl :)
[09:51] <Zordrak> ananke: i hear that. I had to fudge and recompile my own yppwconv because the path to passwd and shadow is hardcoded in the C
[09:51] bill2 (~one@bas4-unionville55-1176016189.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware.
[09:51] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?
[09:52] <Zordrak> mancha: so you definitely recommend mit over heimdal then?
[09:52] <Zordrak> ive not used either so far.. except for once using heimdal to satisfy a link dependency
[09:53] <mancha> i am not very familiar with heimdal....but a rule of thumb i have always used with encryption is: the longer they've been around the better.
[09:54] <Zordrak> true...
[09:54] <Zordrak> im not even entirely sure why heimdal exists.. i should find out
[09:55] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[09:55] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-23-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[09:55] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[09:55] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[09:57] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware.
[09:58] <slava_dp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerberos_%28protocol%29
[09:58] <slava_dp> us crypto export restrictions
[09:58] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware.
[09:58] <Zordrak> right
[09:58] qwebirc53722 (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-arimktlqmlupvewb) joined ##slackware.
[09:59] <Zordrak> just looking at some 2005 mailing list stuff talking about samba being designed more around heimdal than mit
[09:59] <Zordrak> ahhh  .. samba4 developer saying that he's working on heimdal and making it work on mit would take a lot
[10:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-27-71.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware.
[10:01] qwebirc53722 (bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-arimktlqmlupvewb) left ##slackware.
[10:01] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-arimktlqmlupvewb) joined ##slackware.
[10:02] <mancha> ah samba4 apparently includes the heimdal kdc in its spaghetti...wonder why they are in bed like that
[10:02] <Zordrak> also heimdal seems to have historically been the faster implementation.. but i dont know if that still holds
[10:02] <mancha> but on the bright side, people are already hacking the crap out of samba4 to make it work with mit
[10:02] <Zordrak> indeed
[10:03] <mancha> samba4 sounds like a development shitstorm
[10:03] <Zordrak> but since my intended use of kerberos revolves entirely around using it for samba auth and later moving to samba4, heimdal would seem to be a no brainer for me
[10:04] <Zordrak> mancha: i just wish theyd provide some kind of roadmap.. its been alpha for what, 5 years?
[10:04] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host
[10:04] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware.
[10:05] <Zordrak> Also looks like FreeBSD picked heimdal
[10:05] Khratos (~khratos@190.80.226.201) joined ##slackware.
[10:06] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware.
[10:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-27-71.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[10:08] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.226) joined ##slackware.
[10:09] <Zordrak> i tell you ill be pissed if pat suddenly decides to provide kerberos and picks mit :)
[10:11] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware.
[10:13] Nick change: xchg_spi -> xchg
[10:13] Axius (~hi@92.85.220.37) joined ##slackware.
[10:14] alphad_ (~quassel@41.207.31.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[10:15] alphad (~alphad@41.207.31.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[10:16] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later
[10:18] alphad (~quassel@41.207.31.98) joined ##slackware.
[10:18] alphad_ (~alphad@41.207.31.98) joined ##slackware.
[10:19] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[10:21] Nick change: Na -> NaCl
[10:21] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware.
[10:22] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[10:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving
[10:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[10:26] blackorca (~b@173-142-6-13.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[10:26] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware.
[10:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[10:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[10:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[10:32] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware.
[10:33] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.226) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[10:34] <Azeotrope> what's that utility that can help me make httpd autostart?
[10:34] <Azeotrope> the one with the servers
[10:35] <Zordrak> huh?
[10:35] <Zordrak> httpd autostarts when you make its start script executable
[10:36] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[10:36] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[10:37] Axius (~hi@92.85.220.37) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[10:37] Nick change: gartt_ -> gartt
[10:38] <Azeotrope> Zordrak: thanks. I was talking about that utility from install that asks you what servers do you want to autostart
[10:38] <Azeotrope> but it seems all it does is a chmod +x
[10:38] <Zordrak> its part of the installer as far as i know
[10:39] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.178) joined ##slackware.
[10:49] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) joined ##slackware.
[10:49] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) left irc: Client Quit
[10:50] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) joined ##slackware.
[10:52] <OclkdMan> hi all. my wlan0 is up and running. with iwlist scan it can't find my AP. i'm using ath5k drivers for atheros cards. anyone can help me? thx
[10:52] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[10:53] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[10:53] <OclkdMan> i would like to set the wlan0 connection using #iwconfig each time i connect and be albe to see all Wireless Network using iwlist
[10:54] <Dominian> Does your wireless network broadcast its SSID?
[10:54] <guax> OclkdMan, what you get in return of iwlist?
[10:54] <guax> do you get at least one other network?
[10:55] <OclkdMan> for wlan0 after #iwlist scan :  "No scan results"
[10:55] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[10:55] <OclkdMan> yes the AP it's broadcasting its SSID
[10:55] <OclkdMan> and i know it
[10:56] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[10:56] <OclkdMan> my rc.inet1.conf is untouched
[10:56] <guax> it should be working
[10:56] <guax> dmesg say you something interesting?
[10:57] bill2 (~one@bas4-unionville55-1176016189.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1
[10:57] <OclkdMan> no other networks.......and i know there would be more than one
[10:58] <OclkdMan> i write dmesg output now
[10:59] <OclkdMan> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
[10:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[10:59] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[11:00] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware.
[11:00] <OclkdMan> this is the only entries about it
[11:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-85.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[11:01] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware.
[11:01] <OclkdMan> do i have to change something in wlan0 section in rc.inet1.conf?
[11:02] <OclkdMan> .....the card is an atheros AR2413
[11:04] <OclkdMan> with ifconfig i can see that wlan0 is "up"
[11:04] alphad32 (~quassel@41.207.31.27) joined ##slackware.
[11:06] alphad_ (~alphad@41.207.31.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[11:06] alphad (~quassel@41.207.31.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[11:09] toor_ (1000@f051054177.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware.
[11:09] <toor_> still that keymap thing, lol
[11:09] <trhodes> toor_: have you tried a setxkbmap in your .xinit ?
[11:10] <toor_> I wrote it in .Xmodmap a few minutes ago )(
[11:10] <toor_> =)
[11:11] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware.
[11:12] <toor_> if I write it in .xinit my xdm will be still be in us layout? :P
[11:14] shadowkllr (~shadowkll@166.137.11.4) joined ##slackware.
[11:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal
[11:16] <toor_> I already got it changed with the setxkbmap yesterday, but my "entf" key is still wrong
[11:16] <toor_> it writes a ~
[11:19] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[11:20] <toor_> instead of removing the symbols that follows the cursor
[11:21] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[11:21] <toor_> same happens in kde if I change the layout there in system settings
[11:22] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.24) joined ##slackware.
[11:26] Nick change: gartt_ -> gartt
[11:26] caixabox (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-wrhumromihxlnibj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[11:27] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@82.sub-97-27-68.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware.
[11:27] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[11:28] toor_ (1000@f051054177.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal
[11:28] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[11:28] alphad (~alphad@41.207.31.27) joined ##slackware.
[11:30] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: BitchX has bite! (Just ask Mike Tyson!)
[11:32] shadowkllr (~shadowkll@166.137.11.4) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
[11:34] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-27-59.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[11:34] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-85.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[11:34] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[11:34] <Zordrak> looks like i hit a horrible bug with samba 3.5.1 and heimdal-1.3.1
[11:34] <Zordrak> updating both
[11:36] <Zordrak> ack.. now a compile error
[11:36] <eviljames> oooph.  Looks like it's time to update KDM: CVE-2010-0436
[11:36] <Zordrak> >.<
[11:36] <Zordrak> its a software shitstorm today
[11:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware.
[11:37] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[11:37] <Skywise> Zordrak, you're just a glutton for punishment
[11:40] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum
[11:41] <Zordrak> Having trouble getting a working combination of samba3 and heimdal. started with /13
[11:41] <Zordrak> damnnit
[11:41] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving
[11:44] dios_mio (mirc@88.236.183.237) joined ##slackware.
[11:51] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[11:52] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-48-218.dslgb.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[11:52] <Skywise> have you guys heard about clamav for windows using cloud computing for virus checking
[11:53] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CE81.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware.
[11:53] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[11:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[11:54] <Skywise> i think only sending your files to the nsa for checking could be worse
[11:54] <Zordrak> mancha: seems new heimdal and krb5s are in /pending
[11:56] <Camarade_Tux> where is /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 ?
[11:56] <Camarade_Tux> I mean, which package?
[11:56] <Camarade_Tux> slacpkg tells me syslinux which is installed but I don't have the file (-current)
[11:57] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[11:57] alphad (~alphad@41.207.31.27) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[11:57] alphad32 (~quassel@41.207.31.27) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[11:58] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[11:59] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware.
[11:59] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-42-198.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware.
[12:00] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:01] <Camarade_Tux> ah
[12:01] <Camarade_Tux> it's in /usr/share, not /usr/lib
[12:01] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:01] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB: cp /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 /tftpboot/slackware-13.0/
[12:01] <Camarade_Tux> blarg
[12:01] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB: README_PXE.TXT says "/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0" but the file is in "/usr/share/syslinux/pxelinux.0"
[12:04] julm (~julm@commune-des.alpes.fr.eu.org) joined ##slackware.
[12:04] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[12:04] Nick change: gartt_ -> gartt
[12:04] <Skywise> off with whoever did that's head
[12:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-59.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[12:06] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-22-58.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[12:06] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[12:06] Nick change: gartt -> gart
[12:06] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-wyxzjjaeclcwuujt) left irc: Changing host
[12:06] mtkoan (mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware.
[12:06] mtkoan (mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Changing host
[12:06] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-wyxzjjaeclcwuujt) joined ##slackware.
[12:07] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[12:07] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware.
[12:10] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[12:10] <phrag> hey guys! what a day! =P
[12:11] <Skywise> you had a day, i just saw on the news where this house stank so bad from cat pee that the police thought it was a meth lab
[12:11] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) joined ##slackware.
[12:15] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:19] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-42-198.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte
[12:22] <Zordrak> phrag: why do you run two instead of screen'ing one?
[12:23] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware.
[12:25] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware.
[12:25] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host
[12:25] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware.
[12:25] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[12:26] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_
[12:27] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.24) left irc: Quit: leaving
[12:28] <eviljames> Skywise: hahahahahahahahahahahah
[12:28] Elektro_ (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware.
[12:28] <eviljames> Skywise: I probably shouldn't have called social services on my neighbors :(
[12:28] <Skywise> heh
[12:28] <Skywise> when you can smell it outside of the house, its time to call
[12:29] <Azeotrope> how do i change my mac for wlan0? i need it to test my AP's mac allow list
[12:30] <Skywise> google mac spoofing
[12:31] <Zordrak> Wooo! Successfully joined slackware to a 2003 domain
[12:31] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) joined ##slackware.
[12:33] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-bnfdtebxzsxgvcsd) joined ##slackware.
[12:34] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-42-198.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware.
[12:34] gart_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:34] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware.
[12:35] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:35] <Camarade_Tux> blerg, can't boot from pxe
[12:37] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-28-92.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[12:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-58.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[12:37] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[12:37] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.65) joined ##slackware.
[12:38] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[12:38] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez
[12:38] gart (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[12:38] <Zordrak> except windows cant talk to it properly.. gr
[12:39] <Camarade_Tux> ok, giving up pxe boot for today
[12:39] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware.
[12:39] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host
[12:39] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware.
[12:39] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:43] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[12:43] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.119.79) joined ##slackware.
[12:45] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0FC38.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:46] fonseg (~bnguyen@113.23.41.233) joined ##slackware.
[12:46] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[12:46] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-243.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[12:47] visc0 (~visco@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-28-92.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[12:47] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[12:47] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[12:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[12:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:49] sluckxz_ (sluckxz@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:49] <mishehu> so what's a good program to use that performs similar functions to norton ghost, and can handle ntfs partitions?
[12:50] <Zordrak> clonezilla or acronis
[12:50] <Zordrak> free / not free
[12:50] <mishehu> alright, I'll check out clonezirra
[12:51] <Zordrak> no thats the chinese version
[12:51] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware.
[12:51] <mishehu> no no that's the engrish translation you mean :-)
[12:51] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: got to go! Gone!
[12:52] sluckxz_ (sluckxz@anapnea.net) left irc: Quit: leaving
[12:52] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_
[12:53] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware.
[12:53] visc0 (~visco@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[12:53] <stu_> hm, irssi won't let me alt+1 or ctrl+n to change windows? what do you guys use? right now i'm using /join #whichever-channel-i-wanna-chat-in
[12:54] <Zordrak> alt+5
[12:54] <jkwood>  /win numberofwindow
[12:54] <stu_> nothing works, alt+5, esc+n.. can it be because of konsole?
[12:55] <stu_> jkwood: doesn't work either
[12:55] <jkwood> Then irssi is broken.
[12:55] visc0 (~visc0@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware.
[12:56] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) left irc: Quit: sec..
[12:56] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[12:56] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_
[12:57] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0FC38.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Client Exiting
[12:57] <Skywise> hey did you guys hear apache.org was attacked?
[12:58] <Skywise> they used xss with a tinyurl redirect to steal passwords
[12:59] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) joined ##slackware.
[12:59] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[13:03] <Zordrak> The first rule of kerberos clock is SYNC YOUR TIME
[13:03] <Zordrak> too tired to bo funny
[13:04] <Zordrak> The first rule of kerberos club is SYNC YOUR TIME
[13:04] <mishehu> the first rule of running a system is SYNC YOUR TIME
[13:04] <eviljames> The 2nd rule of kerberos club is DONT TALK ABOUT KERBEROS CLUB
[13:04] <eviljames> The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club!
[13:04] <Zordrak> eviljames: shit yeah, sorlry bout that
[13:04] <Skywise> yeah, i turned my nose up at kerberos cause it was too arcane
[13:04] Action: mishehu pours lye on eviljames's kerberos
[13:04] <eviljames> eep
[13:06] visc0 (~visc0@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[13:07] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) left irc: Quit: leaving
[13:08] gart (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[13:08] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware.
[13:10] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[13:10] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware.
[13:11] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware.
[13:11] tsccof (~tsccof@201-15-188-225.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[13:11] gart_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[13:12] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[13:12] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_
[13:12] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[13:13] <stu_> damnit i hate how you forget vi's commands if you don't repeat it enough
[13:13] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware.
[13:15] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) left irc: Client Quit
[13:15] <tsccof> http://blog.ncsa.uiuc.edu/aashish/files/2009/03/security_debian_random_bug.jpg
[13:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[13:17] <antiwire> oh now that was just uncalled for!
[13:17] <antiwire> muhahaha
[13:18] <tsccof> lol
[13:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-243.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[13:18] <tsccof> http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/how_debian_changes_people.jpg
[13:18] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-28-194.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[13:18] <tsccof> bad marketing
[13:18] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[13:19] <tsccof> I see 5 men in "after using debian"
[13:19] <sluckxz> im wondering about screenrc.  when i irssi through screen on my blackberry the layout gets broken/to large.  if i just irssi without screen the layout looks fine. can i force layout sizes in screenrc for my blackberry?
[13:21] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[13:22] fonseg (bnguyen@113.23.41.233) left ##slackware.
[13:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware.
[13:23] <jgor> sluckxz: are you creating the screen from the blackberry? i think the screen session keeps the size of whatever terminal you created it in
[13:23] <sluckxz> hhmm good point i just reattached one running from putty.  thanks for the tip.
[13:24] <jkwood> It keeps the size of the first terminal that is currently attached to it.
[13:24] <jkwood> So, if you're attached from two locations, it will display at the resolution you first attached to it form.
[13:24] <jkwood> *from
[13:24] <sluckxz> well then,  im gonna go for a bit.  cheers.
[13:24] <jgor> isn't there also a hotkey to resize it to the current terminal?
[13:24] <jkwood> Assuming you detach from one place and reattach from another, it will resize to the proper resolution.
[13:25] <sluckxz> exit
[13:25] <sluckxz> haha
[13:25] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) left irc: Quit: leaving
[13:25] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[13:26] <stu_> do you guys use irssi out of the box in slackware and have alt+1, alt+2 working?
[13:26] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-12.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[13:26] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware.
[13:26] Action: deathof1 does
[13:26] <BP{k}> stu_: yes.
[13:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-28-194.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[13:26] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[13:26] <BP{k}> although this irssi isn't quite out of the box.
[13:26] <deathof1> im not using irssi
[13:27] <stu_> damnit mine doesn't work and the documentation doesn't cover this topic
[13:27] <mishehu> I use irssi out of hte box.  the alt-1/2/3 etc. work when I'm in konsole ssh'ing into a box and doing screen -r.
[13:27] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: You make your own luck in life.
[13:27] <mishehu> I don't know about from the standard text console though
[13:27] <pprkut> wasn't there something with it not working in xfce some time ago?
[13:27] sluckxz (sluckxz@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware.
[13:28] <BP{k}> pprkut: Well there is the point that Terminal, uses ALT+{1,2,3,4} etc to address the tabs in Terminal.
[13:28] <sluckxz> hhmm.  test.
[13:29] <BP{k}> so if you use a Terminal with 4 tabs, alt-[1-4] in irssi will not respond, as Terminal trumps irssi.
[13:29] <BP{k}> Although you can easily bypass that by using ESC+{1,2,3,4} or changing Terminals keybindings. Or just use a singletab window for irssi ;)
[13:29] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware.
[13:29] <pprkut> right, thanks for the info. I thought it would be something like that :)
[13:29] <tsccof> mine works in xterm
[13:30] <tsccof> though I do not use it very often
[13:30] <stu_> cd ##linux
[13:30] <stu_> oops
[13:30] sluckxz (sluckxz@anapnea.net) left irc: Client Quit
[13:30] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn-128.95-102-94.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware.
[13:31] <BP{k}> stu_: have you tried creating a new user, and trying irssi there? Just to see if it is possible a problem with your config either way?
[13:32] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware.
[13:32] <stu_> BP{k}: good idea
[13:33] stu2 (~stu@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[13:34] <stu_> eh it works!
[13:34] tsccof (~tsccof@201-15-188-225.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[13:34] <stu_> i think it might be because i accidentally followed instructions and typed /manual-windows in the beginning?
[13:34] <stu_> how do i delete irssi's config files and start over?
[13:34] <deathof1>  ~/.irssi
[13:35] <stu2> neat thanks
[13:35] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) left irc: Client Quit
[13:35] stu2 (~stu@124.13.58.195) left irc: Client Quit
[13:35] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) left irc: Quit: me too
[13:35] <deathof1> would be nice to have direct rendering on slackware
[13:36] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[13:36] <stuart_> now that's much better
[13:36] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_
[13:37] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware.
[13:37] <stu_> time to install bitlbee now
[13:37] <BP{k}> stu_: slackbuilds.org.
[13:39] <deathof1> theres also slapt-get
[13:39] <BP{k}> no there isn't.
[13:39] <BP{k}> ;)
[13:39] <deathof1> lol
[13:39] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.119.79) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye...
[13:40] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[13:40] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[13:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[13:42] gart (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[13:42] gart (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[13:43] sluckxz (sluckxz@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware.
[13:44] sluckxz (sluckxz@anapnea.net) left irc: Changing host
[13:44] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware.
[13:47] <phrags> lol, people *still* use slapt-get?
[13:47] <phrags> i thought that was banished years ago =P
[13:47] <mtkoan> I use slapt-get for certain things, its helpful
[13:47] <jkwood> Bloody warlocks and necromancers keep bringing it back.
[13:47] <mtkoan> particularly slapt-get --filelist
[13:48] <thrice`> which does?
[13:49] <mtkoan> lists all files installed in a slackpkg
[13:49] <thrice`> o_O
[13:50] <mtkoan> Is that strange to you?
[13:50] <jkwood> Does it list it for local files or network files?
[13:50] <jkwood> s/network/remote/
[13:50] <Azeotrope> sbopkg rules
[13:50] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware.
[13:50] <jkwood> If it doesn't display package contents for packages that aren't installed, then it's useless.
[13:51] <thrice`> mtkoan, what does it do that slackpkg search (network) or simply cat /var/log/packages/blah   doesn't do?
[13:51] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) left irc: Quit: leaving
[13:52] <eviljames> thrice`: took the words out of my mouth, man...
[13:52] <mtkoan> thrice`:you're right, nothing
[13:52] <thrice`> ok, then my answer is yes, that is strange to me :>
[13:53] <jkwood> mtkoan: Our problem is not with you, mind, its with a tool that we've historically seen do Bad Things (TM).
[13:53] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware.
[13:53] <mtkoan> yea, it seems strange to me too now actually
[13:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[13:54] <mtkoan> I never issued cat /var/lock/packages/blah until 2 minutes ago :)
[13:54] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.225.170) joined ##slackware.
[13:54] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[13:55] <jkwood> grep -i filename /var/log/packages/* is nice too.
[13:55] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[13:55] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1
[13:56] <jkwood> ls /var/log/packages | grep packagename as well.
[13:56] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[13:57] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_
[13:57] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[13:57] <Tusk> echo /var/log/*packagebit*
[13:57] <mtkoan> Yea, that's pretty much the same thing
[13:57] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[13:57] <Tusk> i'm sure we can find some more :D
[13:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-12.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[13:57] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded
[13:58] <mtkoan> so why does slapt-get exist?
[13:58] <mtkoan> or maybe thats a dumb question, like asking why does bad pizza exist
[13:59] <eviljames> mtkoan: pretty much the same as why does bad pizza exist.
[13:59] <eviljames> mtkoan: because someone makes it :P
[13:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[13:59] <mtkoan> thankfully I near the pizza capital of US
[14:01] <stu_> quick q, how do i take a screenshot of my terminal?
[14:01] _mario (mario@213.147.122.31) joined ##slackware.
[14:03] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:04] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded
[14:06] <thrice`> if you're in X, you can use the gimp, or 'import'
[14:06] <mtkoan> anyone know offhand a good ntfs file recovery tool?
[14:07] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[14:07] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware.
[14:08] <stu_> where do i put .html files for samba by default?
[14:08] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware.
[14:09] <stu_> stupid me, i mean apache
[14:09] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware.
[14:09] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[14:10] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.34.152) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building
[14:11] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware.
[14:11] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[14:12] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[14:12] <mtkoan> stu_: I think its /var/www/htdocs
[14:14] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.34.152) joined ##slackware.
[14:15] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[14:16] gart_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:16] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:19] gart (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[14:20] gart_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit
[14:23] <stu_> mtkoan: thanks
[14:24] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:25] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.225.170) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[14:27] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[14:27] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:28] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded
[14:28] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[14:29] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:29] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware.
[14:31] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-71-183.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware.
[14:32] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware.
[14:33] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware.
[14:34] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware.
[14:36] <stu_> is there any reason why elinks would not load 'cleanly'? the pages are kinda messy
[14:36] Kosty (~john@c-98-219-58-113.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:36] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.29.143) joined ##slackware.
[14:37] <eviljames> stu_: term settings perhaps?
[14:37] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-207.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[14:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[14:37] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[14:39] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Quit: leaving
[14:40] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Changing host
[14:40] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) joined ##slackware.
[14:40] <stu_> whoa, Moat/Dolp returns, to ##linux, lol
[14:41] dguitar (~dguitar@cpe-76-178-242-76.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[14:43] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: 
[14:46] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz
[14:48] <sahk0> wow a kde security advisory
[14:48] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@82.sub-97-27-68.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[14:50] <vastina> sahk0: surprised the elephant has issues with all her code?
[14:50] <vastina> :)
[14:51] <sahk0> not the way you put it. i just dont think it happens that often. its the first one i see in my 1/2 year relationship with it
[14:52] <thrice`> that's because only a few poor souls use it to find such things
[14:53] <eviljames> hahah
[14:53] <eviljames> I'm not at all surprised that there's issues in that massive amount of code.
[14:54] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware.
[14:55] <jkwood> It's impossible to make your code small enough to be without issues.
[14:55] <vastina> jkwood: wrong.
[14:56] <jkwood> vastina: I'd like to see you disprove what computer scientists have agreed on for 50 years.
[14:56] dios_mio (mirc@88.236.183.237) left irc: 
[14:57] <thrice`> aaw shit
[14:57] <eviljames> ++ jkwood ;
[14:57] titopoquito (~tito@p508EC0EF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:57] <vastina> jkwood: it's called elegant code, and elegant code progresses through stages of maturity; a wise programmer that's perceptive via tenure disproves "what computer scientists have agreed on for 50 years."
[14:58] <vastina> elegant code is secure code
[14:58] <eviljames> I find that assertion somewhat laughable.
[14:58] <Dominian> I find that assumption assinine
[14:59] <vastina> glad you two find debate :)
[15:00] <eviljames> I've read some things written by a stellar coder/problem solver.  To preserve his anonymity we'll call him "L. Torvolds" hmm.. no that's too obvious, perhaps "Linus T." - I'd bet with some quote mining I could at least provide some appeal to authority arguments against "elegant code is secure code"
[15:01] <eviljames> Probably with some code mining I could find examples written by the above anonymous coder that were elegant and insecure.
[15:01] <vastina> there's nothing in nature that can get any better without scrutiny and criticism; well written code that's well maintained is secure code; and the longer we waste time speaking about it is the same time auditors will tend to require to poke holes in good code forcing it's further progression
[15:01] <vastina> all code is a process
[15:01] <vastina> imho
[15:01] <vastina> s/all code/all good code/g
[15:02] <eviljames> So by virtue of the KDM vulnerability, KDE code is neither well written nor secure?
[15:02] <eviljames> Hold on.
[15:02] Action: vastina avoids KDE like the plague...
[15:02] <eviljames> Let's leave aside that it's written in C++ for a minute
[15:02] <eviljames> ;)
[15:02] <vastina> so i can't make good comments of it
[15:03] <vastina> i like lean/get the job done/window managers
[15:03] <vastina> less is more in many cases
[15:03] <vastina> especially sysadmin work
[15:03] wertik_ (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)
[15:03] <alienBOB> Fortunate that Slackware offers multiple choice then
[15:03] <vastina> where the wm will mostly not do
[15:04] <vastina> alienBOB: that is fortunate indeed
[15:04] Action: vastina will tie point back to slackware or shut up, point taken alienBOB
[15:04] <alienBOB> Because I do not agree at all with you vastina... yet we are both finding something we like in Slackware
[15:04] <alienBOB> vastina: no need to shut up
[15:05] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware.
[15:05] <alienBOB> Being derogative not nice though
[15:05] <KaMii> its amazing what a new soundcard will do.... all those sound issues I was having was hardware... not software
[15:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[15:06] <alienBOB> Yes, that happens
[15:06] <KaMii> built-in sound = headaches
[15:06] <eviljames> KaMii: Were you on an intel hda?
[15:06] <KaMii> nope
[15:06] <KaMii> sadly
[15:06] <alienBOB> Still can be a sound driver issue KaMii
[15:06] <eviljames> oh, because when I disabled my intel onboard sound performance in jack improved significantly.
[15:07] <KaMii> well from all the forums i read, it was hardware, the builtin sound was a hardware defect
[15:07] <eviljames> I am now able to run jack without xruns and without a realtime kernel
[15:07] <KaMii> and i even tested it on windoze
[15:07] <KaMii> it was broke on there also
[15:07] <KaMii> the jack was busted also, and I only got sound out of one ear....
[15:07] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit
[15:08] <vastina> alienBOB: where do we disagree? my sentiments on KDE? or on the security of elegant-written, maintained code?
[15:08] <KaMii> and when I put in the new soundcard, my system is now idling at 0% instead of 2 - 5 %
[15:09] <KaMii> vastina: do you program at all?  like your own window environment, just asking cuz it seems you do a lot of complaing.....
[15:09] <eviljames> hahahah
[15:09] <vastina> KaMii: i do, have anything more interesting than a jab at me to bring up?
[15:10] <vastina> actually...
[15:10] Action: vastina doesn't care... bbiab, meeting
[15:10] <eviljames> vastina: have fun, man
[15:10] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware.
[15:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware.
[15:10] <KaMii> i was just asking because everytime im in here, it seems your complaining about something else.... and well, ya...
[15:10] Action: vastina isn't complaining, i just prefer lean window managers and tend to over-elaborate
[15:11] <vastina> excuse me :)
[15:11] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad26ee.async.vt.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[15:11] <KaMii> :D
[15:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-207.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[15:11] <alienBOB> You should really stick to the WM you like and stop bashing other software that you don't like vastina...
[15:12] <stu_> hm, in slackware, what is the usual cause for fetchmail's SMTP error?
[15:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-194.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[15:12] titopoquito (~tito@p508EC0EF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend
[15:12] Elektro_ (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[15:13] <xsamurai> yeah! , I hate a lot of things , you see me complaining about them here ?! , like the fact eviljames is Canadian it drives me mad! mad I tell you
[15:13] <jkwood> When did eviljames become Canadian?
[15:13] <KaMii> please bash only windoze and ubuntu in here, but not official slackware software sets....  The Slack team does such a good job to keep slack great!  and ya they deserve hugs not slugs
[15:14] <sahk0> heh
[15:15] <eviljames> jkwood: hahahah born & raised :P
[15:15] <eviljames> jkwood: I know, most people think I just congealed together in a 3rd world outhouse.
[15:15] <KaMii> :S trying to decide if I should go and upgrade to slack 13 from 12.2........
[15:16] <eviljames> KaMii: You should, then migrate to -current and help test stuff
[15:16] <KaMii> lolz im not that good eviljames
[15:16] <alienBOB> KaMii: there are definite advantages to 13.0 over 12.2
[15:16] <sahk0> there might also be disadvantages :)
[15:16] <alienBOB> If only the software that refuses to compile on the "old 12.2 release"...
[15:16] <KaMii> ya i had it before, but had soo many issues with the sound card... now thats over idk
[15:16] <alienBOB> sahk0: sure
[15:16] <KaMii> but then i have to spend all that time getting KDE the way i want it.... blah
[15:17] Pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@adsl-64-219-108-112.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware.
[15:17] <sahk0> for me the only valid reasons are kde4 and most importantly 64bit
[15:17] <Zosma> alienBOB: but upgrading would require me to make a backup of my HD which still contains backups from backups from backups from old installs ;-)
[15:17] Action: KaMii cant do 64 bit
[15:17] <sahk0> 64bit gives another meaning to the term Slackware
[15:18] <guax> 64 bits Slackware. Just like Slackware, but 64
[15:18] <KaMii> i just wasnt that happy with kde 4+... idk yet
[15:18] <sahk0> mostly cause all the software was compiled very recently
[15:18] <alienBOB> Zosma: buy a 2TB external USB hard drive and use that for backups... and store it in a locker when you don't need it. Your backups will last much longer
[15:18] <KaMii> lolz
[15:18] <Zosma> It's not a bad idea...
[15:18] <alienBOB> KaMii: KDE 4.4.x is really a notch better than 4.3
[15:19] <KaMii> i hope so, I had 4.2.2 and it was.... really more like beta
[15:19] <KaMii> seemed everything had a bug in it
[15:19] Goliath (mail@unaffiliated/goliath) joined ##slackware.
[15:19] <Goliath>  i just bought a power adapter for my laptop. the specs of it are the same as those of my laptop. When i plug it in the adapter makes a funny insect-like noise at a stable rate. Is this good?
[15:19] <KaMii> hrm.... would i need to recompile all my third-party stuff like wine?
[15:19] Nick change: derfz -> dErFz
[15:20] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware.
[15:20] <KaMii> Goliath: i would hurry and unplug it
[15:20] <KaMii> before your house blows up
[15:20] <stu_> how do i allow port 25 on this pc so i can fetchmail?
[15:20] <xsamurai> Goliath: not cool , sounds like a bad adapter
[15:20] <KaMii> stu_ usualyl port 25 is blocked by your isp not your computer
[15:20] <xsamurai> my lenovo adapter did that alot
[15:20] <xsamurai> till it burned out
[15:20] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware.
[15:21] <stu_> KaMii: hm okay that sucks
[15:21] <Goliath> xsamurai is the laptop in trouble?
[15:21] <KaMii> i accidentally plugged in an american adapter here in Sweden.  and... well it wasnt the same voltage...
[15:21] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware.
[15:21] <Goliath> i will replace it tomorrow propably
[15:21] <xsamurai> Goliath: nothing happened to my laptop but I wouldnt risk it
[15:21] <KaMii> i blew the fuses in the house
[15:21] <KaMii> hahah
[15:21] <KaMii> my pappa was soooo mad at me
[15:22] <jkwood> martinhex: Depends on what you update.  Wine is pretty happy as long as you still have some version of what it depends on.
[15:22] <KaMii> when it popped, I thought i was gonna die, i was so scared
[15:22] <KaMii> and it smelled sooo bad
[15:22] <Zosma> Mad? You're only a man when you had 220 through your body several times...
[15:22] <KaMii> jkwood: did you mean to say that to me?
[15:22] <jkwood> ERmm.... sorry martinhex, i have no idea how that happened.
[15:22] <jkwood> KaMii: Yes.
[15:23] <KaMii> Zosma: I will never become a man, i have the wrong hardware
[15:23] <Zosma> Hehe
[15:23] <KaMii> hrm..... then maybd i should do the slackpkg clean script?
[15:23] <KaMii> but idk.....
[15:24] <KaMii> that might remove stuff that i need
[15:24] <KaMii> can slackpkg give me a list of all packages that are installed that are not part of the official set?
[15:25] <xsamurai> Zosma: been there done that and a friendly taser to the arm as well , felt warm and fuzzy inside
[15:25] <jkwood> KaMii: slackpkg clean-system will give a list before it does anything.
[15:26] <jkwood> ls /var/log/packages | grep PACKAGETAG will do better, though.
[15:26] <KaMii> can i have it just export that list to a log file and not run?
[15:26] <KaMii> ya i know that command but it wont tell me which ones are official
[15:26] <Zosma> xsamurai: :-)
[15:26] <KaMii> oh PACKAGETAG ? whats that do?
[15:27] <jkwood> gcc-g++-4.4.3_multilib-x86_64-2alien
[15:27] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-42-198.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte
[15:27] <jkwood> "alien" would be the package tag in that case, and tells me it came from alienBOB.
[15:27] <sluckxz> my laptop adapters work fine on 110 or 240 volts and a simple plug adapter is all that is needed if you dont want to get the leatherman out and yank on them.  thats why input lists 100-240V.   ymmv
[15:27] <jkwood> libdc1394-2.1.2-x86_64-1_SBo <- "SBo", from SlackBuilds.org
[15:28] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[15:28] <KaMii> and if i compiled it myself?
[15:28] <KaMii> what would it look like then?
[15:28] <alienBOB> Like nothing
[15:28] <KaMii> :S
[15:28] <jkwood> freedroidrpg-r2506jkw-x86_64-1_SBo <- "jkw", means I built it myself.
[15:28] <KaMii> see thats gonna give me a headache
[15:28] <KaMii> cuz some stuff i compiled from source
[15:28] <alienBOB> slackpkg only works with the package database (/var/log/packages) and then only knows about official packages
[15:28] <KaMii> other stuff installed from packages
[15:29] <KaMii> and i dont know what dependencies are required by which
[15:29] dios_mio (1000@88.236.183.237) joined ##slackware.
[15:29] <dios_mio> i just installeth slackware yay!
[15:29] Nick change: _mario -> mario
[15:29] <eviljames> dios_mio: \o/ congrats!
[15:29] <alienBOB> dios_mio: well done
[15:29] <dios_mio> thanks man :)
[15:29] Action: KaMii needs to start taking notes on what i install
[15:30] <phrags> 1. slackware
[15:30] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware.
[15:31] <jkwood> KaMii: Whenever you build something from source, write a SlackBuild to do it for you, or at least make install to a certain location and use makepkg from there - and tag it with your own personal tag.
[15:32] <jkwood> I would almost never install third-party packages, but reputable sources should have A) sources available B) a tag they use.
[15:32] <jkwood> So, alien for alienBOB and rlw for rworkman.
[15:32] <KaMii> ya.... i should start doing makepkg.... but i only compiled a few things notmuch at all
[15:33] dios_mio (1000@88.236.183.237) left irc: Client Quit
[15:33] qneo (knao@adsl-dyn-128.95-102-94.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night").
[15:33] <jkwood> You can use http://slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb to generate starter SlackBuilds for you.
[15:34] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware.
[15:34] <jkwood> It will almost never produce a perfect one, but it will usually produce a working one.
[15:34] <KaMii> mkay cool
[15:34] <KaMii> ruby.... blah
[15:34] <KaMii> is it good to use ruby?
[15:35] <alienBOB> Heh... I have one in bash for you
[15:35] <KaMii> i try to avoid it
[15:35] <jkwood> I started out writing one in bash, but ruby was faster for me to get done.
[15:35] <stu_> gee weird, rtorrent is slow as hell but transmission rocks
[15:35] <alienBOB> I really like qbittorrent
[15:35] <KaMii> i like ktorrent
[15:35] <KaMii> lolz
[15:36] <KaMii> transmission is great on mac
[15:36] <alienBOB> http://alien.slackbook.org/AST/ for you KaMii
[15:36] <lw0x15> rtorrent ftw
[15:36] <KaMii> but its missing a lot of security options on linux :S
[15:36] <alienBOB> ctorrent too, on the console ;-)
[15:36] <lw0x15> is qbittorent gui
[15:36] <mancha> bittorrent has died, innit
[15:36] <lw0x15> mancha: londoner? lol
[15:36] <sahk0> i like azureus cause it adheres to the unix philosophy
[15:37] <stu_> i expected rtorrent to perform better, with the 'leanness' and all, but it's just not cutting it
[15:37] <stu_> the connection somehow is worse
[15:37] <KaMii> that is sooo kewl alienBOB !!!!!!  nyce
[15:37] <KaMii> me likey
[15:37] <eviljames> stu_: could be settings, could be ISP-level throttling, could be a number of things..
[15:37] <xsamurai> i dont think you can encrypt traffic on the *torrent clients , qbittorrent is the only one i know so far
[15:38] <mancha> the old one doesn't play nice with new gtk and the new one simply doesn't play nice
[15:38] <eviljames> xsamurai: what?
[15:38] <sahk0> torrents are only useful for free stuff like sharing linux distros anyway
[15:38] <eviljames> xsamurai: ktorrent has the option to accept encrypted or not, and you can force only crypted connections.
[15:39] <eviljames> sahk0: of course.
[15:39] <lw0x15> sahk0: yeah:>
[15:39] <xsamurai> eviljames: didnt know that thanks
[15:39] <lw0x15> eviljames: we surely do need the encryptions while downloading some distros
[15:39] <stu_> and i somehow had this fetish for running everything on console.. but i think i gotta keep that on hold for now
[15:39] <lw0x15> *wink*
[15:40] <xsamurai> lw0x15: well isps are gay and block torrent traffic
[15:40] <eviljames> lw0x15: I had a feeling that my ISP was throttling, so I turned on crypto - I saw a 50% increase in torrent traffic within minutes.
[15:40] <lw0x15> ;-0
[15:40] dios_mio (1000@88.236.183.237) joined ##slackware.
[15:41] <eviljames> I wanted to make sure the distros I was seeding got all the traffic they deserved!
[15:41] <dios_mio> guyz... when you do a new slackware install, do you like, need to upgrade stuff you use like, firefox, pidgin, and etc?
[15:41] <mancha> you should at least upgrade the official security patches
[15:41] <eviljames> dios_mio: Did you do a full install?
[15:41] Goliath (mail@unaffiliated/goliath) left irc: Changing host
[15:41] Goliath (mail@193.92.58.86.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware.
[15:41] <vastina> alright read up...
[15:41] Goliath (mail@193.92.58.86.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: K-Lined
[15:41] Action: vastina bows to KDE people...
[15:42] <vastina> please accept my apology for your great software i bashed
[15:42] <vastina> :)
[15:42] <jkwood> Apology accepted.  Now make kbluetooth stop crashing.
[15:42] <xsamurai> no
[15:42] <xsamurai> make flash work
[15:42] <dios_mio> eviljames, well, I didnt install KDE
[15:42] <alienBOB> You do not have to find it great, in fact I don't care, but try to stay polite
[15:42] <eviljames> Mistake #1 :P
[15:43] <eviljames> dios_mio: ^
[15:43] <dios_mio> eviljames, KDE is good?
[15:43] <eviljames> dios_mio: I use it exclusively.
[15:43] <mancha> dios_mio you have made the wisest decision ever
[15:43] <xsamurai> haha
[15:43] <dios_mio> mancha lol thanks
[15:43] <eviljames> alienBOB: Was there some issue that I saw you mention about setting the time in kde4.4.2?
[15:44] <mancha> go to the patches dir of your favorite mirror, dl those packages, and upgradepk them
[15:44] <KaMii> . . . . . . about 5 seconds away from saying forget it and upgrade to slack 13
[15:44] <mancha> that'll have updates for pidgin, firefox, and many other goodies since the slack 13 release date
[15:44] <KaMii> doesnt slackpkg grab the updates from the patches folder?
[15:46] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-194.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[15:46] <sahk0> if you tell it to
[15:46] <KaMii> k i thought it did
[15:46] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-50.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[15:46] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[15:46] <KaMii> you got me scared there for a second
[15:47] Nick change: guax -> soul_of_guax
[15:48] Nick change: soul_of_guax -> guax
[15:48] <jkwood> By default, the patches directory should have higher priority than anything else.
[15:48] dios_mio (1000@88.236.183.237) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[15:49] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) left irc: Quit: leaving
[15:49] <KaMii> blahhhh why is my conky crashing lately?
[15:49] <mancha> have you all heard of the latest windows malware/virusware?
[15:50] vt13013 (~vt@3-33.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[15:50] <KaMii> windoze is a malware/virus
[15:50] <KaMii> you just pay a lot of $$$ for it
[15:50] <KaMii> and physically install it
[15:50] <mancha> it pops up a window apparently and informs you that  pirated or copyrighted material has been found and threatens legal action unless (you got it) a button is pressed or some personal info is sent...
[15:50] tsccof (~tsccof@200-96-90-143.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[15:51] <tsccof> http://peter.fedorapeople.org/alsa_advicedog.png
[15:51] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) joined ##slackware.
[15:51] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: weeeeeechat
[15:51] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-189-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware.
[15:51] <mancha> apparently one famous one proposes an out-of-court settlement where you agree to pay $400
[15:51] <tsccof> http://peter.fedorapeople.org/alsa_advicedog.png
[15:52] <akira42> mornin' slackers
[15:52] <mancha> i think tsccof is on auto-loop
[15:52] <KaMii> evening akira42
[15:52] <pprkut> anyone played with qtwebkit lately? I'm trying to find some documentation on QTWEBKIT_PLUGIN_PATH
[15:52] dios_mio (1000@88.236.183.237) joined ##slackware.
[15:53] <dios_mio> do we use the NVIDIA's own xorg.conf? or do we just modify our own existing one to accomodate the new driver?
[15:53] <tsccof> mancha: why auto-loop?
[15:53] <akira42> KaMii: you are probably on the american double continent, or? in europe it is night and in asia it should be early morning
[15:53] <KaMii> Sweden
[15:53] Pingfloyd (~pingfloyd@adsl-64-219-108-112.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[15:54] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[15:54] <akira42> KaMii: hm ... but sweden is in the european middle time zone, I thought
[15:54] <KaMii> european middle time zone?  never heard of that one
[15:54] <lw0x15> lol
[15:54] <KaMii> gmt + 1
[15:54] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-29-146.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[15:54] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-50.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[15:54] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[15:54] <KaMii> or 2 idk
[15:54] <KaMii> daylight savings
[15:54] <KaMii> i never know
[15:55] dios_mio (1000@88.236.183.237) left irc: Client Quit
[15:55] <KaMii> blah why am i sooo terrified to upgrade to slack 13?
[15:55] <KaMii> im just scared the sound will break
[15:55] <tsccof> it won't
[15:55] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CE81.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal
[15:55] <lw0x15> KaMii: tell me your time
[15:56] <lw0x15> ill tell you what gmt your in
[15:56] <lw0x15> lol
[15:56] <KaMii> it did when I was using the onboard audio drivers
[15:56] <KaMii>  /hardware
[15:56] <KaMii> its almost 22.00
[15:56] <KaMii> 5 minutes till
[15:56] <lw0x15> gmt +1
[15:56] <akira42> KaMii: then we are in the same timezone
[15:56] <akira42> CEST or such thing
[15:56] <lw0x15> its 9pm gmt +0
[15:56] <KaMii> oh then its UTC +2
[15:57] <akira42> gmt, UTC ....
[15:57] Action: akira42 is confused
[15:57] <rob0> 19:56 UTC, not quite 8
[15:57] <KaMii> seriously why do we have sooo many different time formats?
[15:57] <KaMii> GMT, UTC, CEST
[15:57] <tsccof> gmt should be the default and only one
[15:57] <KaMii> pick one world!
[15:57] <phrags> ++
[15:57] <lw0x15> KaMii: you forgot PST
[15:57] <KaMii> blah
[15:57] <KaMii> lolz
[15:57] <rob0> I think it's because the world is spherical.
[15:57] <lw0x15> rob0: you think too much
[15:57] <lw0x15> :P
[15:57] <akira42> hehe
[15:58] <rob0> But I could be wrong about that!
[15:58] <KaMii> ya but here in Sweden there is 3 ways to say what timezone you are in
[15:58] <tsccof> we should have SlackTime and use that
[15:58] <KaMii> and i always get cornfused
[15:58] <KaMii> cuz some adjust for daylight savings and somedont
[15:58] <KaMii> so i never know anything
[15:58] <tsccof> slacktime = morning, noon, afternoon, night, evening
[15:58] <KaMii> and then in the summer thesun never goes down
[15:58] <tsccof> what do you think?
[15:58] <KaMii> and in the winter it never come up
[15:59] <KaMii>  think time does not exist
[15:59] <tsccof> true
[16:00] <KaMii> and why is 60 seconds a minute?
[16:00] <KaMii> why 60?
[16:00] <KaMii> thats such a dumb number
[16:00] <KaMii> why not 100?
[16:00] dios_mio (1000@88.236.183.237) joined ##slackware.
[16:00] <lw0x15> KaMii: call the scientistis
[16:00] <tsccof> well, if you want to create another timing system, go ahead
[16:00] <tsccof> lmao
[16:00] <dios_mio> erm where do we copy the flashplugin.so?
[16:00] <tsccof> I am fine with 60 seconds
[16:00] <KaMii> 60, 60, 24
[16:00] <mancha> blame the babylonians
[16:00] <KaMii> im not good with math
[16:01] <tsccof> dios_mio: ~/.mozilla/plugins
[16:01] <akira42> KaMii: in the winter the sun doesn't go down? sounds great
[16:01] <KaMii> so if I created a timezone... everyone would always be late
[16:01] <dios_mio> tsccof, , thanks man
[16:01] <KaMii> no in the winter, the sun never comes up
[16:01] <KaMii> in the summer it never goes down
[16:01] <KaMii> and it sux in summer
[16:01] <akira42> err, that's what i ment
[16:02] Action: akira42 doesn't like sunlight
[16:02] <akira42> it's to bright
[16:02] <KaMii> me too, im like part vamire or something
[16:02] <sahk0> arghh. its madness i tell ya
[16:02] <KaMii> lolz
[16:03] <tsccof> dios_mio: np ;)
[16:03] <lw0x15> so ive installed phpmyadmin, when i try to load it up, the directory (list of files) just pops up, and if i try to open up index.php, it just opens the source code
[16:03] <lw0x15> if im not wrong, i need to set the right permissions? or what
[16:03] <lw0x15> or to enable something
[16:04] tsccof (~tsccof@200-96-90-143.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: leaving!
[16:04] <KaMii> so after I upgrade from12.2 to 13.0... if I need to uninstall a package i installed in 12.2 i can do that with pkgtool right?
[16:04] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[16:05] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving
[16:05] <thumbs> KaMii: of course.
[16:05] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-bnfdtebxzsxgvcsd) left irc: Quit: Page closed
[16:06] <KaMii> mkay good.... blah i think imna do the upgrade
[16:06] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware.
[16:06] Action: KaMii feels like crying
[16:06] <alienBOB> removepkg would be a better tool even
[16:06] <KaMii> ya i use that one usually
[16:07] <KaMii> but it was faster to type pkgtool, lolz
[16:07] <KaMii> and i like saying tool
[16:07] <alienBOB> Like this: "removepkg /var/log/packages/foo-1.1-i486-1.tgz will remove that package
[16:07] <akira42> I usually use "removepkg `basename /var/log/package/$PACKAGENAME`" with bash tab completion, found that pretty neat
[16:07] <alienBOB> And "removepkg foo" will do exactly the same
[16:08] <KaMii> or if you wanna break your system removepkg k*
[16:08] <KaMii> bye bye kernel
[16:08] <alienBOB> YEs that would be unwise
[16:08] <KaMii> but sorta funny
[16:08] <akira42> alienBOB: didn't know one can specifiy the package with /var/log etc in the argument
[16:09] <akira42> KaMii: I once have done "rm -rf /*" on a system, was kinda funny
[16:09] <sahk0> bash-completion works for pkgtools utilities too
[16:09] <sahk0> well maybe not on 13.0 with .txz packages though
[16:09] <rob0> Why is a .tgz package in /var/log/packages ? :)
[16:09] <KaMii> why did you do that akira42 ?
[16:09] <akira42> everything is gone, only a blue background and the mouse remained
[16:09] <akira42> KaMii: just to try it; was about to install a different OS
[16:09] <KaMii> because its a package rob0
[16:09] <akira42> can't remember which one
[16:10] <KaMii> oh, hehe
[16:10] <Azeotrope> if i connect to eth0 and then wlan0 how can I control the traffic that flows thru each iface? ie firefox thru wlan0 and pidgin thru eth0
[16:10] <rob0> (My /var/log/packages files are name-version-arch-build without the .t?z)
[16:10] <KaMii> if someone has windoze 95 just edit their autoexec.bat and at the top put del *.* then reboot
[16:10] <KaMii> lolz
[16:11] <akira42> rob0: what says "tar -t *.tgz" on the file?
[16:11] <akira42> uhm
[16:11] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[16:12] <akira42> shouldn work; you would need do decompress it first
[16:12] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum
[16:13] <rob0> /bin/ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/*.t?z: No such file or directory
[16:14] <sahk0> wouldnt have guessed
[16:14] <rob0> never mind, I was just being a smart aleck
[16:15] <mancha> w00t, 34's on rc4
[16:17] <KaMii> my mirrors list for slackpkg does not have anything for 13.0
[16:17] <KaMii> only 12.2
[16:17] <KaMii> do i just manually add one?
[16:18] <KaMii> or is that gonna be a big nono
[16:19] <sahk0> did you read the documentation on how to upgrade included in the slackware-$VERSION directory?
[16:19] <KaMii> ya
[16:19] <KaMii> it said select a mirror
[16:19] <KaMii> and there isnt one
[16:19] <KaMii> ive upgraded many times b4 with slackpkg
[16:19] <sahk0> im not really talking about slackpkg
[16:19] <KaMii> but never had a bunch of mirrors missing
[16:20] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware.
[16:20] <KaMii> yes i have sahk0
[16:20] <sahk0> Slackware provides documentation on how to do it. and changes and hints
[16:20] <KaMii> but that wasnt my question
[16:21] <sahk0> id just edit $VERSION then
[16:21] <sahk0> but i dont know what the recommended way is..
[16:21] <alienBOB> KaMii: first step: upgrade slackpkg itself
[16:21] <alienBOB> Then follow all other steps
[16:22] <KaMii> ya i know i have to upgrade slackpkg
[16:22] <KaMii> but i needed to select a 13 mirror
[16:22] <KaMii> and there wasnt any in my mirrors file
[16:22] <KaMii> so i just manually added one
[16:22] <sahk0> KaMii: when you say 'ive upgraded many times b4 with slackpkg' do you mean all of Slackware, or just selected packages?
[16:22] <lw0x15> why my PHP isn't loading up php files? it only loads up the source
[16:22] <alienBOB> That is why you have to download the slackpkg package yourself and run upgradepkg on it
[16:22] <KaMii> all of slackware sahk0
[16:23] <sahk0> then i dont see why you're asking
[16:23] <KaMii> what version is the current for slackpkg
[16:23] <KaMii> because i have the current version for slack 12.2
[16:23] <kslen> :D
[16:23] <nessundorma> lw0x15: edit /etc/httpd/httpd.conf
[16:23] <alienBOB> You also need to upgradepkg the tar and pkgtools packages manually KaMii, and install the new xz package, before you go any further
[16:24] <nessundorma> lw0x15: search for php and follow the instructions
[16:24] <sahk0> and thats all explained in the Slackware documentation btw
[16:24] <KaMii> i didnt do any of that last time alienBOB
[16:24] <KaMii> i just selected a mirror and let slackpkg upgrade
[16:24] <KaMii> and last time I was also upgrading from slack 12.2 to slack 13
[16:25] <alienBOB> So, slackpkg is intelligent... but I don't trust automation tools all that much ;-)
[16:25] <KaMii> oh i think i know why all those slack 13 mirrors are not there... i deleted them
[16:25] <KaMii> i didnt want to accidentally upgrade to 13
[16:25] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal
[16:26] <lw0x15> nessundorma: thnx, i didnt even knew php wasn't enabled by default
[16:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-146.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[16:28] <KaMii> oh slackpkg is smart
[16:28] <KaMii> its grabbing those three first
[16:28] <KaMii> then i will have to run it again i assume
[16:29] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[16:29] <KaMii> uh.oh..... one or more errors occurred while slackpkg was running
[16:29] <KaMii> gpg
[16:29] <KaMii> whats that mean?
[16:29] <KaMii> what broke?
[16:30] <lw0x15> nessundorma: uh oh, it's still loading up only source codes
[16:31] <nessundorma> lw0x15: rc.httpd restart ?
[16:32] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[16:33] <KaMii> is that because it installed pkgtool, slackpkg and xz for slack 13?
[16:35] <nessundorma> KaMii: gpg is the package signature. You may try to download again, or try another server.
[16:35] <lw0x15> nessundorma: nothing happens
[16:35] <lw0x15> :|
[16:35] <nessundorma> lw0x15: :/
[16:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[16:35] <lw0x15> OH it does! lmao sorry
[16:35] <lw0x15> nessundorma: thnx <3
[16:35] <nessundorma> :^)
[16:36] <KaMii> mkay
[16:36] <lw0x15> nessundorma: i opened it up, it just loaded the source
[16:36] <lw0x15> refreshed, and it loaded!
[16:36] <lw0x15> yay
[16:36] <nessundorma> browser cache
[16:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[16:37] <KaMii> goodbye 12.2
[16:37] <KaMii> :S
[16:37] <KaMii> sooo scared
[16:38] <lw0x15> dont poop your pants
[16:38] oscillator (~oscillato@81.35.181.35) joined ##slackware.
[16:39] Action: KaMii ish wondering if i should slackpkg clean-system
[16:39] <KaMii> hrm.....
[16:39] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware.
[16:40] <sahk0> didnt you say you ve 'done it many times b4' ?
[16:40] <KaMii> never ran clean-system
[16:40] <sahk0> ah
[16:40] dios_mio (1000@88.236.183.237) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[16:41] <KaMii> didnt wanna lose all my stuffs
[16:41] <KaMii> but maybe i will this time
[16:41] <jkwood> It's a menu from which you can pick, like upgrade-all or install-new.
[16:41] <KaMii> and just take a note on what i wanna reinstall
[16:42] <phrags> so make a list of installed, dist clean then diff your new list and install with sbopkg or from source
[16:42] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_spi
[16:42] <KaMii> ya
[16:42] <KaMii> good idea phrag
[16:42] Action: KaMii ish not sleeping tonite
[16:42] <KaMii> lolz
[16:42] <phrags> why do you have an irc lisp?
[16:43] <KaMii> habbit
[16:43] <phrags> talk properly please, this isn't #msn =P
[16:43] <KaMii> :S
[16:43] Action: KaMii does not do msn
[16:43] <KaMii> its micro$oft
[16:43] <oscillator> hello good night,  I use slackware64-current, why the whois program return ' Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program.'
[16:43] <oscillator> any know this?
[16:44] <phrags> no, works fine here
[16:44] <phrags> what domain are you trying to resolve?
[16:44] <phrags> try specifying a dns server
[16:44] <phrags> erm, whois server*
[16:44] <oscillator> an ip,   whois 109.61.63.12
[16:45] <KaMii> hackers attack!
[16:45] <KaMii> lolz
[16:45] <oscillator> lol
[16:45] <KaMii> wait let me load up metasploit
[16:45] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[16:46] <akira42> gn8 slackers
[16:46] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-189-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving
[16:47] <KaMii> awww i didnt get a chance to say goodbye to akira42
[16:47] <mancha> oscillator, that is not a whoisable block
[16:47] <KaMii> oh.. am i going to have to reinable all that vlc stuff again to play dvd's?
[16:48] <KaMii> cuz i totally forgot what I did last time to get it to work
[16:48] <lw0x15> can always do it again
[16:48] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware.
[16:48] <lw0x15> three more times, and you'll know it on the back of your hand
[16:49] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood
[16:49] <oscillator> mancha,  thanks...
[16:49] blaines (~blaines@64.16.22.201) joined ##slackware.
[16:49] <KaMii> ya but i just remember it took me ages to find the package becuase no one wants to host it
[16:49] <KaMii> something about breaking some US law or something
[16:49] <KaMii> blah
[16:49] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware.
[16:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[16:49] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-30-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[16:49] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[16:49] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[16:49] <KaMii> but im not in the USA and I wanna watch a dvd on my linux box
[16:49] <phrags> no one wants to host it.. on the internet!?
[16:50] <KaMii> so if hollywood dont like it they need to just write me a package and then stop crying cuz they have too much money
[16:50] <KaMii> ya, thats the problem i had last time phrags
[16:50] <KaMii> becuause the package unlocks all regional codes
[16:50] <KaMii> and i guess its illegal or something
[16:50] <KaMii> idk
[16:50] <sahk0> KaMii: seriously, are you more than 12 years old?
[16:51] <KaMii> 14
[16:51] <KaMii> why?
[16:51] <lw0x15> lmao
[16:51] <sahk0> you sound to immature even for 14
[16:51] <sahk0> too*
[16:51] <KaMii> at least i can spell
[16:51] <KaMii> :P
[16:52] <phrags> KaMii: no.. no you can't
[16:52] <lw0x15> haha
[16:52] <sahk0> ...
[16:52] <KaMii> you dont have to be mean sahk0
[16:52] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Deuces.
[16:52] <mancha> or maybe it can, it is assigned to RIP
[16:52] <KaMii> you should encourge the youth, not step on us
[16:52] <lw0x15> KaMii: this is internet, what do you expect
[16:52] <lw0x15> fairyland?
[16:52] <sahk0> i wonder if anyone bothers to host an irc netiquette on those bloody tubes
[16:53] <KaMii> dancing fat ppl in hippo costumes actually
[16:53] <lw0x15> sahk0: there is
[16:53] <lw0x15> i have one in my bookmarks somewhere
[16:53] <mancha> oscillator i was mistaken, i thought that was one of those govt level non-whoisable blocks, but it is indeed whoisable
[16:53] <mancha> this is a bug
[16:53] <KaMii> so sorry sahk0 for not being overly technical and boring...  if its too much for you to have youth and color then i will be black and white for you
[16:55] <nessundorma> KaMii: maybe you'll need to upgrade the vlc package from alienBOB.
[16:55] <KaMii> i think i got it from him last time
[16:55] <KaMii> hes my favorite alien
[16:56] <oscillator> mancha, I read now http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=+109.61.63.12+&submit.x=7&submit.y=4
[16:56] <lw0x15> he's my favourite bob
[16:56] <KaMii> ^^
[16:56] <mancha> oscillator, Dravanet ADSL dynamic pool
[16:56] <oscillator> ?
[16:57] <oscillator> What is IT
[16:57] <KaMii> is he one of the official slackware team guys?
[16:57] <mancha> thats the owner of 109.61.32.0-109.61.63.255
[16:57] <oscillator> mancha,  and?
[16:58] <oscillator> I'm not understand you
[16:58] <sahk0> lol
[16:58] <lw0x15> @_@
[16:59] <phrags> KaMii: > input; < output; =)
[16:59] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-6-69.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net
[17:00] <KaMii> i hope that wasnt a sexual remark
[17:00] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[17:00] <phrags> no it wasn't, it means more listening, less talking might prove usefull in a channel with much knowledge to share =)
[17:00] <oscillator> mancha,  I undertand now... sorry
[17:01] <mancha> ok
[17:01] <KaMii> why does everone hate me?
[17:01] <alienBOB> KaMii: you can get all that stuff which I cannot host in the US (like lame, libdvdcss) here: ftp://ftp.slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/
[17:02] <phrags> i was actually trying to help you, seeing as you are complaining
[17:02] <KaMii> thanks alienBOB
[17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-222.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[17:03] Action: phrag cheers for uk
[17:03] <jkwood> KaMii: It's a pretty safe bet nobody here hates you.
[17:03] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_
[17:03] <phrag> ..or you would know =P
[17:03] <mancha> slackware devs: slackware's delegation policies on whois need updating
[17:04] <lw0x15> lol phrag
[17:04] <KaMii> lolz you really want me to upgrade to -current?  ... i think thats too advanced for me
[17:04] <KaMii> i dont even know how to write a script let alone debug
[17:04] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[17:05] blaines (~blaines@64.16.22.201) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[17:05] <lw0x15> KaMii: who's "you"?
[17:05] <lw0x15> it's your choice if you want to do it or not
[17:05] <lw0x15> :|
[17:06] <KaMii> i forget who said i should do that
[17:06] <phrag> i'd stick with 13.0 until you find yoru feet.. it's nice
[17:06] <KaMii> me feet are connected to my legs... yaya i found them
[17:06] <KaMii> lolz
[17:06] <dive> *cough*
[17:07] <phrag> KaMii: you would get a better reception in here if you didn't use the phrase 'lolz' ...IMHO
[17:07] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[17:07] <KaMii> but im not a 57 year old guy
[17:07] <KaMii> and its habbit
[17:07] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[17:07] <KaMii> it just happens i dont think about it
[17:08] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware.
[17:08] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host
[17:08] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware.
[17:08] <ezrafree> you don't have to wait until your 57 to start acting more mature ;)
[17:08] <ezrafree> *you're
[17:08] <KaMii> does it really bother you that much?  and I'm immature?
[17:08] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving
[17:09] <alienBOB> Yes, this channel is pure written speech. If your texts show immaturity we will treat you as such
[17:09] <ezrafree> nothing really bothers me, but yes saying "lolz" is a symbol of immaturity any way you cut it
[17:09] <ezrafree> not that i don't use "lol" sometimes, just not on irc ;)
[17:09] <KaMii> well i am only 14
[17:09] <alienBOB> You will mature in time
[17:09] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[17:09] <KaMii> so... like what do you expect?  by definition i guess i am where i should be
[17:09] <alienBOB> Yep ;-)
[17:10] <alienBOB> We have had worse 14 year-olds here
[17:10] <KaMii> and my parents always say to enjoy my youth, cuz when i get older i will miss it
[17:10] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware.
[17:10] <KaMii> so i try to do that, then ppl tell me to grow up... blah, make up your minds
[17:10] <lw0x15> KaMii: well, hacking away on slackware isnt enjoying your youth
[17:10] <lw0x15> is it
[17:10] <alienBOB> O?
[17:10] <ezrafree> lol, it's not?
[17:10] <lw0x15> lol
[17:10] <alienBOB> I wish there had been computers when I was young
[17:10] <KaMii> haha, ummm, touche
[17:10] <ezrafree> my i have sure wasted my youth then
[17:10] <rob0> We have had worse 3 times that age. Like me for example! :)
[17:11] <lw0x15> I've lived on IRC since i was 12 or 10, cant remember
[17:11] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[17:11] <KaMii> that just means your social and that = good
[17:11] <lw0x15> lol
[17:11] <lw0x15> yep, real social i was
[17:12] Khratos (~khratos@190.80.226.201) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[17:12] <phrag> KaMii: age has nothing to do with it.. your complaining why you attract hostility, i'm pointing it out.. if you acted normally, like the other 1000's of people from all walks of life, and *all* ages that come here, then no one would even know your age, or even care.. so stop going on about it so much as to attract attention to yourself and enjoy the support of the channel, as it is and always will be a *support* channel for slackware. =)
[17:12] <jkwood> lw0x15: If you're suggesting that hacking away on Slackware is somehow less valuable than running around drinking illegally and smashing mailboxes or chasing boys, I suggest you rethink your position on life.
[17:12] <rob0> jkwood++
[17:13] <lw0x15> jkwood: im not suggesting anything, geez, you old fart calm down
[17:13] <rob0> haha
[17:13] <lw0x15> i dont care how you spend your youth
[17:13] <KaMii> blah boys are annoying
[17:13] <lw0x15> by any means, you can do fuck all
[17:13] <phrag> and yeah, most of us have grown up with IRC since dialup modems/other networked medium
[17:13] shadowkllr (~shadowkll@64.206.143.1) joined ##slackware.
[17:14] <KaMii> how did you live back then seriously?
[17:14] <KaMii> i would die with dialup
[17:14] <ezrafree> lmao
[17:14] <ezrafree> when you didn't know any better, dialup was like lightning
[17:14] Action: vastina laughs
[17:14] Action: jkwood gently pats rworkman
[17:14] <phrag> especially *free* dialup ><
[17:14] <KaMii> thats some slow lightning
[17:15] <ezrafree> bahahaha those were the best
[17:15] Action: vastina remembers when 28K was FAST
[17:15] <ezrafree> Netspeed
[17:15] <jkwood> Well, KaMii, in those days, we didn't have Youtube, or flash games, or massive clumps of javascript posing as social networking sites.
[17:15] <rob0> rworkman has 3g now, considerably better than dialup, but way limited on how much you can use it.
[17:15] <ezrafree> oops, netzero even
[17:15] <vastina> 56K was good for a bit, then you'd get jealous of anyone with a cable modem connection
[17:16] <KaMii> jkwood: just mentiond the three evils I hate more than anything
[17:16] <jkwood> Or World of Warcraft.  There were some online games, but most of them weren't anything special.
[17:16] <KaMii> hey WoW is my favorite things
[17:17] <shadowkllr> Quake on dialup *shudder*
[17:17] <phrag> *ghost*
[17:17] <KaMii> im a gnome Warlock
[17:17] <KaMii> hehe
[17:17] <rob0> I never had 56K. Best I could get out in the country was ~26K. I went from that to pretty decent cable.
[17:17] <vastina> rob0: which country?
[17:17] <shadowkllr> Say that around the wrong people, kamii, and they might lock you away for a long time
[17:17] <KaMii> im on firewire
[17:18] <KaMii> errrr i mean fiber opitcs
[17:18] <rob0> Shocked the heck out of me when I saw the Comcast truck in my driveway. (Rural USA, vastina.)
[17:18] <shadowkllr> Luck rob0
[17:18] <phrag> still beat the uk! =P
[17:18] <jkwood> The road grader kept tearing our phone line in half, so after a while we couldn't get any more thank 24.6k.
[17:18] <KaMii> what state is Rural in?
[17:18] <rob0> "country" meaning rural, not urban.
[17:18] <rob0> haha
[17:18] <vastina> oh
[17:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[17:18] <rob0> it's Alabama FWIW
[17:18] <KaMii> oh, hahaha
[17:19] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[17:19] <KaMii> rural i thought that was a town
[17:19] <jkwood> Alabama's not worth nuch.
[17:19] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:19] <shadowkllr> Alabama has one good thing... Alabama slamma
[17:19] <shadowkllr> Mmmm booze
[17:19] <jkwood> But, at the very least it's not Georgia.  I hope I NEVER have to drive through Georgia again.
[17:19] <KaMii> whats Alabama Slamma?
[17:19] <shadowkllr> KaMii: Booze
[17:19] fuzzix_ (~fuzzix@93.107.30.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[17:19] <KaMii> oh
[17:20] Action: KaMii just likes beer
[17:20] <vastina> @ 14?
[17:20] <KaMii> mhm
[17:20] <xsamurai> i thought it was Alabama snake  ?
[17:20] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-36.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[17:20] <KaMii> lolz but shhhhh dont tell anyone
[17:20] <vastina> i don't know you, so no worries
[17:20] <shadowkllr> I'm tellin your mommy
[17:21] <KaMii> she already knows
[17:21] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-arimktlqmlupvewb) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[17:21] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.199.77) joined ##slackware.
[17:21] <shadowkllr> Oh ok.... Well in that case ...
[17:21] <jkwood> Depending on where she lives, that doesn't matter anyhow.
[17:21] <shadowkllr> ><
[17:22] <KaMii> i think everyone my age here drinks
[17:22] <shadowkllr> So let's tAlk network topography
[17:22] <KaMii> ok
[17:22] <phrag> non-blocking ftw
[17:22] <KaMii> but first tell me what the means
[17:22] <phrag> CLOS!
[17:22] <ezrafree> shadowkllr haha
[17:22] <ezrafree> mmm network topography
[17:23] <shadowkllr> I have a cable modem/gateway router setup then a non wired router behind that
[17:23] <phrag> makes me want cake
[17:23] <KaMii> wait i thought you said kde was at 4.4.2
[17:23] <jkwood> I believe round-robin to make the most sense.
[17:23] <KaMii> but it just installed 4.2.4
[17:23] <KaMii> im cornfused
[17:24] <KaMii> i have a garbage D-link router, the wifi loves to drop ip address like crazy
[17:24] <shadowkllr> All my wired clients can talk up to clients on the gateway, but those wireless clients can't talk down
[17:24] <KaMii> i think i have all my stuff can freely communicate
[17:24] <phrag> anyone noticed fps drop in kde 4.4.2 ?
[17:24] <KaMii> i didnt know what all that LP2 or whatever it was called was about
[17:24] <KaMii> so i left it on
[17:25] <KaMii> so why is slackpkg only installing 4.2.4 how do I get 4.4.2?
[17:25] <KaMii> or is 4.4.2 only in -current?
[17:26] <sahk0> its not even in current
[17:26] <nessundorma> KaMii: kde 4.2.4 -> slack 13.0
[17:26] <sahk0> its in current++
[17:26] <KaMii> no mames
[17:27] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[17:27] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[17:27] <BP{k}> -current has KDE 4.3.3. alienBOB provides packages for KDE 4.4.2 build against -current.
[17:27] <KaMii> what about 4.4.2 in 13?
[17:27] <KaMii> possible?
[17:27] <KaMii> worth it?
[17:27] <lw0x15> kde makes me puke, how bloated it is
[17:28] Action: lw0x15 looks at his screen full of consoles *smug*
[17:28] <KaMii> maybe i will just use fluxbox instead
[17:28] <lw0x15> do it
[17:28] <KaMii> if kde 4+ annoys me too much
[17:28] <lw0x15> fluxbox ftw
[17:28] <KaMii> i use fluxbox on this system
[17:28] <KaMii> i like it
[17:29] <KaMii> but can i play wow in wine with fluxbox?
[17:29] <shadowkllr> How do you switch what you chose for your. X window server? Xorgconfig?
[17:29] <xsamurai> KaMii: how would i a wm affect usage of wine ?
[17:29] <BP{k}> shadowkllr: xwmconfig
[17:29] <xsamurai> s/i a/ a /
[17:29] <KaMii> idk at all
[17:29] <KaMii> its why i asked
[17:30] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:30] <xsamurai> well the answer is it wont, i run wine in flux works fine
[17:30] <xsamurai> its fluxtastic
[17:30] <KaMii> oh ya... is there a way to get/write a lilo type chooser for when I type startx
[17:30] <KaMii> so it would give me choices like kde, fluxbox, blackbox, etc...
[17:30] <lw0x15> KaMii: 21:28:39 < BP{k}> shadowkllr: xwmconfig
[17:30] <KaMii> oh thats the same thing?
[17:30] <lw0x15> yes
[17:30] <KaMii> nice
[17:31] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[17:31] <raela> KaMii: set up kdm?
[17:32] <KaMii> i will probably do that once its done upgrading
[17:32] <KaMii> im going to have to change my kernel again after this is done
[17:32] <jkwood> KaMii: Worth it yes, but possible no.
[17:33] <jkwood> (And no, I don't know specifically why.)
[17:33] <KaMii> that confused me jkwood
[17:33] shadowkllr (~shadowkll@64.206.143.1) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
[17:33] <jkwood> I guess "Worth it" is useless if it's not possible, but that doesn't mean much.
[17:33] <KaMii> everytime i apply the nvidia driver/module slackpkg always wants to upgrade my kernel again... why?
[17:34] <jkwood> Karma?
[17:35] <KaMii> and whats the best/easiest way to turn off kernel modules (like pcmcia) that system is not a laptop
[17:35] <jkwood> (Unless you're not being ironic, in which case it sounds like a bug.)
[17:35] <mancha> blacklist them
[17:35] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:35] <KaMii> it must be a bug then, because slackpkg always tries to upgrade the kernel
[17:35] <KaMii> i have to blacklist it
[17:36] <nessundorma> KaMii: chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia ?
[17:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:37] <KaMii> i wasnt sure if that was the best/recommended way
[17:37] <KaMii> i mean its still going to pull a line somewhere right, to try and execute rc.pcmcia?
[17:39] <paul424> uyhhh , someone write to pat to install all possible languages ... uhh erlang , haskell , prolog etc.
[17:39] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:39] <jkwood> Only if it's executable.  It won't affect performance noticably.
[17:39] <lw0x15> paul424: why?
[17:39] <lw0x15> haskell is centuries old, and only bsd bearded guys use it
[17:39] <lw0x15> :|
[17:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[17:40] <lw0x15> and it would take up so much extra space
[17:40] <KaMii> well slack13 installs gfortran, isnt that centuries old also?
[17:40] <paul424> no, all programing languages on default distro ... that would be cool.
[17:41] <paul424> a few interpreters and compilers ? don;'t be funny
[17:41] <lw0x15> paul424: i installed ghc yesterday
[17:41] <lw0x15> it was like 100mb if not more
[17:41] <lw0x15> something silly like that
[17:41] <KaMii> cant you compile them yourself paul424 ?
[17:41] <sahk0> theres not enough languages to fit a signle dvd. the linux kernel would have to be left out
[17:42] <KaMii> i really hope i dont have to redo my xorg when this is done
[17:42] <sahk0> i really hope you actually read the documentation
[17:43] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[17:43] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware.
[17:43] <sahk0> although i seriously doubt youll be able to boot afterwards
[17:43] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.17) joined ##slackware.
[17:43] <paul424> sahk0: ??? not enough or enough .... ?
[17:43] <KaMii> of course i read sahk0
[17:43] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ...
[17:43] gartt_ (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[17:43] <KaMii> or were you talking to paul424
[17:44] <sahk0> paul424: right
[17:44] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware.
[17:44] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host
[17:44] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware.
[17:44] <sahk0> KaMii: no that went to you
[17:44] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds
[17:44] <KaMii> im not a windoze person, i actaully read things before i install/upgrade
[17:45] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[17:45] <sahk0> did you read about xorg.conf in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT then?
[17:46] <KaMii> ya i did yesterday
[17:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-36.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[17:48] <KaMii> cuz i was wondering why they removed bitchx from 13
[17:48] <KaMii> i thought everyone loved that
[17:49] <mancha> it's unmaintained so any new exploits will go unpatched
[17:49] <paul424> sahk0: anyway the most used , the most famous languages ... like top 50 could be put :P... how many languages are on default install ?
[17:49] <KaMii> :O i didnt know that
[17:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[17:49] <BP{k}> from the ChankgeLog.txt: BitchX has several known security flaws for which there are no known  workarounds, and upstream progress seems to have stalled.  Users should   switch to a supported IRC client such as irssi.
[17:49] <sahk0> paul424: too many if you ask me
[17:50] <lw0x15> irssi ftw
[17:50] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:50] <KaMii> i like xchat
[17:50] <lw0x15> BP{k}: <3 bitlbee
[17:50] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware.
[17:51] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware.
[17:52] <KaMii> ok there is something that has been bugging me bigtime and i think its a bios issue but not sure....
[17:52] <KaMii> when I have my external usb hd plugged in at boot-up, i always get the message that i entered the wrong video parameters in lilo
[17:53] <KaMii> but that message is not there if I boot up with the usb unplugged then plug it in at the lilo screen
[17:53] <KaMii> so, thats why i think its bios
[17:53] <KaMii> but i dont know why it would do that
[17:53] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[17:54] <paul424> ok anyone have package for swi-prolog ?
[17:55] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:56] <sahk0> paul424: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=prolog&sv=
[17:57] <paul424> swi prolog fails to build ...
[17:57] <thrice`> !google 'how to ask intelligent questions'
[17:57] <mancha> can i has more intelligent reports?
[17:57] <stu_> bitlbee for the win
[17:57] <lw0x15> stu_: indeed
[17:58] blaines (~blaines@75-171-125-14.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:58] <KaMii> i think this HAL and fstab thing is going to annoy me
[17:58] <stu_> do any of you guys use higher resolutions for terminal? like 1024,760
[17:59] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) joined ##slackware.
[17:59] <lw0x15> stu_: you mean tty?
[17:59] <stu_> lw0x15: yup
[17:59] <lw0x15> nah i just use default
[17:59] <KaMii> i never tried it
[17:59] <lw0x15> i dont even go to tty that much
[17:59] <mtkoan> Yes, I use 1440x900, 1600x1200
[17:59] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) left irc: Changing host
[17:59] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware.
[18:00] blaines (~blaines@75-171-125-14.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[18:00] blaines (~blaines@75-171-125-14.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware.
[18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0
[18:01] <mtkoan> kind of nice in a pinch, rarely use it though
[18:01] <KaMii> i seriously dont know if I am going to like HAL it seems like he is going to control my computer
[18:01] <KaMii> like in 2001:a space oddessy
[18:01] <vastina> witty
[18:01] <KaMii> the best movie ever.  Stanley Kubrick is my hero
[18:01] suid0__ (~suid0@c951b964.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware.
[18:01] <lw0x15> heh stu_, thanks for reminding, i forgot i had irssi running in tty
[18:02] <lw0x15> :-X
[18:02] <stu_> lw0x15: screen ftw
[18:02] Nick change: suid0__ -> suid0
[18:02] suid0 (~suid0@c951b964.virtua.com.br) left irc: Changing host
[18:02] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware.
[18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware.
[18:03] <stu_> k bedtime
[18:03] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.58.195) left irc: Quit: moo
[18:03] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware.
[18:04] blaines (~blaines@75-171-125-14.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[18:05] blaines (~blaines@75-171-125-14.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware.
[18:08] <paul424> when I was very young, I didn't know nothing about HAL, but I read some parody text in PC magazine , and my friend asked WTF is HAL and I answered just shift the letters to IBM ... seems to be an allussion to it computers ...
[18:09] <paul424> this year I watched video review: It took a cryptographer visiting cinema to deciphrate HAL as IBM for audiance >_<
[18:09] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware.
[18:11] <paul424> yeap , although I am so smart I cannot write slackbuilds on my own :/.
[18:12] <KaMii> u dont need to paul424
[18:12] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
[18:13] <BP{k}>  /win 30
[18:13] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1
[18:13] <BP{k}> bah.
[18:16] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left ##slackware.
[18:16] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware.
[18:16] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood
[18:19] jdberkeley (~jd@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[18:19] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware.
[18:19] <paul424> but Pat does not seem to have the police of extending slackware repo, does he ?
[18:19] nic (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[18:20] <mancha> does /win 30 mean you have at least 30 windows to cycle through?
[18:20] <KaMii> the reopositories are not official packages
[18:20] <xsamurai> 30 more minutes till freedom
[18:20] <mancha> there's only one official suppository.
[18:21] <KaMii> take the wrapper off before inserting mancha
[18:21] <mancha> all the other suppositories are 3rd party, unsanctioned, and unofficial. if you're brought down behind enemy lines, Pat will deny all knowledge of you and your repo.
[18:21] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving
[18:21] <paul424> ok extending orginal suppository, then
[18:21] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware.
[18:22] <KaMii> i doubt Pat would even talk to you at that point
[18:23] <sahk0> KaMii: is that what your crystal ball tells you? :)
[18:24] <KaMii> how did you know about my crystal ball?
[18:24] Nick change: nic -> deathof1
[18:25] Dominus (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware.
[18:25] <paul424> Is Pat sometimes here ?
[18:25] <sahk0> i have one of my own right here :)
[18:25] Nick change: Dominus -> Guest66700
[18:25] <mancha> repository or suppository?
[18:26] <KaMii> then you can see me making faces at you
[18:26] <KaMii> lolz
[18:26] <xsamurai> suppositories are special pkgs
[18:26] <mancha> you use insertpkg vs installpkg
[18:26] <KaMii> take the wrapper off before inserting
[18:28] <phrag> paul424: sometimes
[18:28] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving
[18:28] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-29-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[18:28] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware.
[18:28] <paul424> uhh anyway official suppository > then slackware cd ?
[18:28] <KaMii> lmao
[18:29] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[18:29] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[18:29] <thrice`> is "suppository" supposed to be a joke?
[18:29] <KaMii> bash.org
[18:29] <mancha> only the unofficial ones
[18:31] <KaMii> if Pat was in here, do you think he would tell me to shut up?
[18:31] <paul424> I feel stupid .,,.. someone tries to make fun on my cost ... grrr I just use the word suppository because you use it
[18:31] shadowkllr (~shadowkll@64.206.143.1) joined ##slackware.
[18:31] <KaMii> lmao
[18:32] <paul424> uhh what a fail : "a small plug of medication designed for insertion into the rectum or vagina where it melts "
[18:32] <KaMii> its why i said to take the wrapper off
[18:32] <KaMii> that was the hint
[18:32] <shadowkllr> Wow fail entrance came in on the wrong end of that convo
[18:32] <KaMii> but apparently only i laugh at my jokes :S
[18:32] <shadowkllr> No pun intended
[18:33] <KaMii> wrong end, lmao
[18:33] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit
[18:33] <shadowkllr> Shucks
[18:34] <snL20> does runnig ntpdate in cron.hourly screw with the scheduling ?
[18:35] oscillator (~oscillato@81.35.181.35) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[18:35] <snL20> I'm also running an automated email script but I'm only getting one 1 email pr 2 hours and not one every 1 hour =)
[18:35] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[18:36] <snL20> paul424: you know you want it ! :P
[18:36] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[18:37] <KaMii> suppository and whiskey?
[18:38] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-15-176.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[18:39] <mancha> snL20 why not run an ntpd instance
[18:39] <snL20> mancha: does ntpd just shift the time still or does it set it ?
[18:39] <mancha> is your system clock so f*cked that you need to sync to a cesium atom every hour?
[18:40] <snL20> mancha: naah... but if I can why not =)
[18:40] <paul424> but how in hell suppository means what it means suppository == a place of something what accumulates something superb ...
[18:40] <mancha> becuase it is network pollution
[18:40] <KaMii> paul424: a suppository is a butt pill
[18:40] <mancha> your udp packaets every hour
[18:40] <snL20> paul424: just think getting that heroin in a suppository =)
[18:41] <mancha> ntpd is smarter, it figures out how much your clock "drifts"
[18:41] <snL20> mancha: aah but does it take care of dst ?
[18:41] <KaMii> i thought we already agreed that time does not exist?
[18:41] <mancha> and every time it polls the cesium-133 it fine tunes your drift
[18:43] <KaMii> isnt cesium a radioactive element?
[18:44] <mancha> not 133 which is the only stable isotope and which is the oneused
[18:44] <KaMii> ohhhh, thats... intersting
[18:44] <mancha> cesium 137 on the other hand is what made the folks in chernobyl grow third arms and stuff
[18:44] <KaMii> but 133 is odd
[18:45] <KaMii> i thought it needed to be even to be stable
[18:45] <KaMii> no one grew three arms.... instead sadly a lot of children had bad heart defects
[18:45] Action: xsamurai thinks of all the things he can do with a third arm 
[18:47] <mancha> don't know why you thought about odd/even. take carbon (used in dating). carbon-14 is radioactive while carbon-12 and carbon-13 are both stable
[18:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez
[18:51] <shadowkllr> It has to do with the pairing of electrons in the outer valence. Carbon 14 would mean you have to have one additional energy level that a single electron resides in and since it's not paired it is easily "given up"
[18:51] robby80211x (~robby8021@rps1637.ovh.net) joined ##slackware.
[18:52] <shadowkllr> Making it unstable as he'll
[18:52] <shadowkllr> Damn iPhone autocorrect!
[18:52] <shadowkllr> Hell!
[18:52] <robby80211x> hello e1
[18:52] <robby80211x> anyone good with external hard disks ? :P
[18:52] <KaMii> ya i thought the last shell was always even when full
[18:54] Guest66700 (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[18:54] <shadowkllr> False KaMii
[18:55] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.22.31) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[18:55] Guest66700 (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware.
[18:56] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.3) joined ##slackware.
[18:56] strato_ (~strato@f048203134.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware.
[18:58] <KaMii> learn somthing new everyday
[18:58] <KaMii> :D
[18:59] <KaMii> about to see if HAL is going to takeover my computer
[18:59] <Skywise> the electron shells of isotopes are always the same
[18:59] <mancha> yes, it is the neutron/proton ratio that's of interest generally
[18:59] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware.
[19:00] <Skywise> different isotopes have the same number of protons, which determines the charge of the nucleus, but they have different neutrons which changes their atomic weight
[19:00] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-71-183.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: leaving
[19:00] <KaMii> errr i think im to blame for turning this to the physics room
[19:01] <Skywise> understanding is at the heart of slackware
[19:01] <mancha> how the protons and neutrons arrange themselves in the nucleus gives rise to the so-called "magic numbers"
[19:01] Action: KaMii doesnt have an atomic processor
[19:02] <Skywise> you have a processor that runs on physics tho
[19:02] <KaMii> do does every part of life
[19:02] <mancha> different ratios (proton to neutron) aside from helping classify between stable and unstable atoms, gives information regarding what kind of decay you';ll have
[19:03] blaines (~blaines@75-171-125-14.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[19:03] <mancha> and now that i've put everyone to sleep i'll go back to replying to this email...
[19:04] <KaMii> is that how mancha puts his kids to sleep? pulls out a physics book and starts reading from chapter 5?
[19:05] <mancha> Once upon a time there was a carbon atom with 6 protons (see the protons?)....
[19:05] <KaMii> hahaha is it a pop out book with cartoon pictures?
[19:05] <mancha> scratch 'n sniff
[19:05] <mancha> get's fun when you get to sulphur
[19:06] <KaMii> ewww
[19:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[19:06] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-27-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[19:06] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[19:07] <shadowkllr> Mmm rotten eggs
[19:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[19:08] shadowkllr (~shadowkll@64.206.143.1) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi
[19:09] <KaMii> triggering udev events: /sbin/udevadm trigger --type=failed
[19:09] <KaMii> whats that mean? it happened on bootup
[19:10] <XGizzmo> It is to retry stuff that could not start with the root file system not mounted
[19:10] <KaMii> oh ok
[19:10] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[19:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[19:11] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[19:11] <KaMii> well i do have a hardware failure with one of my usb ports, been like that ever since i got the computer, it always cries about port 6 on my usb hub and it says the cable must be broken
[19:11] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[19:12] <XGizzmo> The udev thing has nothing to do with broken hardware.
[19:13] <KaMii> ok
[19:13] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[19:14] <strato_> guys do you know if Patrik reads here some times?
[19:15] <XGizzmo> He does not.
[19:16] <XGizzmo> But he does visit on rare occasions.
[19:18] <KaMii> ok so KDE booted up and the first thing I got was some akondi error, but it left the screen before I could finish reading it
[19:18] <strato_> use gnome
[19:18] <strato_> :D
[19:19] <strato_> it is ugly
[19:19] <strato_> but it works
[19:19] <KaMii> never
[19:19] <KaMii> and gnome is not official slack
[19:20] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware.
[19:20] <sluckxz> i dont think akondi is fixed unless using current and aliens builds.
[19:20] <strato_> it is your choice
[19:20] <strato_> go the slack way if you want to
[19:20] <strato_> :D
[19:20] <sluckxz> could definitely be wrong about that.
[19:20] <sahk0> KaMii: did you upgrade patches/ as well?
[19:20] <KaMii> and strato_ if someone asks a quesion how to fix something, if you dont know the answer then you obviously cant help
[19:20] <strato_> good observation
[19:20] <strato_> :D
[19:20] <XGizzmo> KaMii: don't run KDE as root\
[19:21] <KaMii> yes, they should have all upgraded when I ran the slackpkg again after update
[19:21] <strato_> Logic for Beginners first lecture??
[19:21] <KaMii> im not running as root
[19:21] <sahk0> ok, just checking
[19:21] <sahk0> KaMii: there are packages for kde-4.3.1 for 13.0 if you are interested
[19:21] <KaMii> how do I get that message back again and to get it to stay so I can read it
[19:21] <KaMii> really?
[19:21] <KaMii> where?
[19:21] <sahk0> search for vbatts kde-4.3.1
[19:22] <KaMii> vbatts?
[19:22] <sahk0> yeah
[19:22] <KaMii> whats that?
[19:22] <phoenix^> vbatts is the one who created those packages.
[19:22] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0
[19:22] <KaMii> is it safe?
[19:22] <KaMii> or full of backdoors?
[19:22] <phoenix^> It is safe
[19:22] <sahk0> i wouldnt have proposed it otherwise..
[19:22] <strato_> how can you be shure
[19:22] <KaMii> because sahk0 is like almost god in here
[19:23] <jkwood> Fairly certain he provides the build scripts.
[19:23] <phoenix^> jkwood, indeed he does
[19:23] <KaMii> so do I just grab it and run upgradepkg?
[19:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-155-116.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware.
[19:23] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[19:23] <sahk0> KaMii: i just like to point people to the right direction
[19:23] <XGizzmo> Okay the only time I have seen akondi errors at login was when someone was logging in as root.
[19:23] <strato_> I don't run thing done by strangers
[19:23] <strato_> :D
[19:23] <sahk0> when theyre not acting like complete asswipes that is
[19:23] <KaMii> im logd in as my user
[19:24] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[19:24] <strato_> how can be shure there are no backdoors in slackware
[19:24] <strato_> did you read and understand the whole code
[19:24] <KaMii> because you didnt write it strato_
[19:24] <strato_> by your self and verified this?
[19:24] <strato_> :D
[19:25] <strato_> If I have written it it will be a bit unstable
[19:25] <strato_> and almoust usable
[19:25] <strato_> :D
[19:26] <Skywise> this place is too inane for pat to hang out here
[19:26] <KaMii> i wish ppl wouldnt pm me their questins
[19:27] <Skywise> the way you deal with that is to ignore all pms by default
[19:27] <strato_> this sux
[19:27] <strato_> pm is fine
[19:27] <strato_> why to talk only on public
[19:27] <Skywise> how you do that depends on your client, but generally its /ignore -p *!*@*
[19:27] <sahk0> freenode isnt a social network
[19:27] <Skywise> then you /ignore -x nickname to allow someone to pm
[19:28] <Skywise> or you pm them first
[19:28] <strato_> so if even if someone wants to pay you for Personal suport
[19:28] <strato_> you will decline?
[19:28] <KaMii> where did they hide the terminal in kde 4.2?
[19:29] <KaMii> i cant find it
[19:29] <sahk0> KaMii: did you delete or backup the ~/.kde directory from kde3?
[19:30] <KaMii> yes
[19:30] <strato_> you answer to this with yes
[19:30] <strato_> :D:D
[19:30] <strato_> lol
[19:30] <sahk0> then it should be in the system menu i guess
[19:30] <strato_> did you X or Y
[19:30] <strato_> yes
[19:30] <strato_> :D
[19:30] <KaMii> i backed it up then deleted it
[19:30] <strato_> yes X or Y
[19:30] <strato_> :D
[19:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[19:32] <KaMii> oh, hahah i backed it up but forgot to delete it
[19:32] <KaMii> fixed the acondai error
[19:32] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[19:33] <strato_> :D haha
[19:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-155-116.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[19:34] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[19:34] <KaMii> eww this konsole is ugly
[19:34] <eviljames> Get yourself some yakuake
[19:34] <XGizzmo> KaMii: change the color scheme to linux colors
[19:38] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[19:40] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â))
[19:40] j0z (~SPH@200.146.8.225) joined ##slackware.
[19:40] j0z (~SPH@200.146.8.225) left irc: Changing host
[19:40] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware.
[19:42] robby80211x (~robby8021@rps1637.ovh.net) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off
[19:44] OpenSys (~vasco@213.63.2.51) joined ##slackware.
[19:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-51-71.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware.
[19:46] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[19:49] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[19:50] Nick change: dormant_kernel -> mach_kernel
[19:53] jdberkeley (jd@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware.
[19:57] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[19:59] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) joined ##slackware.
[19:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-51-71.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[20:00] mach_kernel (~david@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: init 0
[20:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving
[20:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware.
[20:04] Shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-69-253-22-90.hsd1.de.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[20:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-206-2.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware.
[20:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[20:12] dios_mio (mirc@88.236.183.237) joined ##slackware.
[20:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-133.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[20:16] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving
[20:16] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[20:16] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
[20:16] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[20:16] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware.
[20:17] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware.
[20:18] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) joined ##slackware.
[20:23] <NaCl> XGizzmo: why do all the terminals default to something other than "Linux Colors"?
[20:24] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-133.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[20:24] <eviljames> NaCl: In an attempt to be "prettier than linux colours"
[20:24] <eviljames> NaCl: Who wants terminal gray on black?  We all want taupe on eggshell!
[20:24] <NaCl> Or white on black
[20:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[20:24] <NaCl> Or black on white
[20:24] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-78.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[20:25] <antiwire> I prefer purple on grey
[20:25] <eviljames> antiwire: I believe those are the defaults on gentoo now
[20:25] <antiwire> I mean "violet"
[20:26] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware.
[20:27] <XGizzmo> NaCl: I have know idea.
[20:28] <NaCl> I thought konsole in KDE 3 defaulted to that.
[20:28] <NaCl> I think I'll ask in #kde
[20:31] <strato_> black on white is ok
[20:31] <NaCl> black on white with green cursor is the deault for Terminal
[20:32] <strato_> or black on light yellow
[20:32] <strato_> :)
[20:32] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving
[20:37] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-206-2.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[20:37] <NaCl> XGizzmo: it doesn't default to that in 4.4.2
[20:37] <NaCl> Just checked
[20:38] <XGizzmo> haha
[20:38] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware.
[20:40] <NaCl> XGizzmo: however, the default *is* dark pastels in 4.3.5
[20:41] VitorBRz (kvirc@189.104.135.120) joined ##slackware.
[20:41] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[20:43] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
[20:43] <pi31415> my first computer had an amber monitor, but i prefer white on black
[20:44] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[20:45] <pi31415> i remember when dos was white on black and the mac was black on white, it seemed like dos was easier to read
[20:45] blaines (~blaines@120.sub-75-242-114.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware.
[20:45] <blaines> Anyone setup asterisk on slackware - any problems? good experience?
[20:47] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware.
[20:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-105-91.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware.
[20:50] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.18.83) joined ##slackware.
[20:51] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[20:54] dios_mio (mirc@88.236.183.237) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[20:54] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware.
[20:54] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-78.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[20:57] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-30-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[20:57] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[20:57] <niels_horn> blaines: No, but I'm interested to know if it works... :) I worked with Asterisk some time ago, but it was not on Slackware and not installed by me
[20:58] <niels_horn> blaines: there is a slackbuild for it: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/asterisk/
[20:59] <blaines> niels_horn: cool thanks man!
[20:59] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.142.227) joined ##slackware.
[20:59] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.18.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[21:00] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[21:00] <niels_horn> blaines: you're welcome. Do tell me your experience afterwards :)
[21:02] <blaines> will do!
[21:05] <NaCl> So, I have a vm that runs -current,and all the icons in KDE are *gone*
[21:05] <neonflux> is asterisk x86_64 compatible?
[21:05] Action: NaCl facepalms
[21:06] <KaMii> kwin is using too much cpu on kde 4.2 :S
[21:06] <KaMii> can i somehow get that to stop hogging my resources?
[21:07] XandriX (~xandrix@dsl-150-174.aei.ca) joined ##slackware.
[21:07] <KaMii> seriously 10% of my CPU just for kwin? :O
[21:07] <trhodes> neonflux: yes
[21:07] <KaMii> thats worse than Windoze
[21:07] <pi31415> but better than gnome
[21:07] <trhodes> not to mention, does more than windows
[21:07] <KaMii> well on kde 3.5.10 i was idling at 0%
[21:08] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware.
[21:08] <KaMii> upgraded to 4.2 now i idle over 10%
[21:08] <KaMii> and ppl in here told me 4+ was light on resources
[21:08] <KaMii> pft....
[21:08] <trhodes> you can use a different wm
[21:08] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.34.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[21:08] <trhodes> kde honors a KDEWM variable
[21:09] <KaMii> ya i can, but i dont like it when ppl say its lighter than 3.5.10 and its not
[21:09] <jewbacca> KaMii: since when?
[21:09] <KaMii> unless there is somthing i can turn off?
[21:09] <jkwood> It *is* all around lighter.
[21:09] <KaMii> not presently for me
[21:09] <jkwood> I've tested this on a livecd.  KDE 4 on a livecd was lighter than 3.5 native.
[21:10] <KaMii> maybe kwin will cool off after nekupukweaeoweaweguhaewgu is done with whatever its doing
[21:10] <jkwood> I disabled nepomuk first thing.  I don't really care to search every file I own, thanks.
[21:10] <pi31415> there's always twm/rox-filer/rxvt
[21:11] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-15-176.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[21:11] <KaMii> oh is that what that thing is doing?
[21:12] <KaMii> i mean whats with the name, seriously, nepomukserversomthinglong
[21:12] <KaMii> hehe its kinda funny but ya
[21:12] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware.
[21:13] khratos (~khratos@190.166.134.1) joined ##slackware.
[21:14] <packeteer> i tried the lastest beta of ubunutu last night. it was surprisingly good
[21:15] <Shadowkllr> i dunno whether it's just me
[21:15] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware.
[21:15] <Shadowkllr> but i still don't know how to install packages without a package manager
[21:15] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[21:15] <packeteer> on slack?
[21:15] <Shadowkllr> yep
[21:16] <Shadowkllr> i.e. trying to install noip2
[21:16] <packeteer> installpkg blah.tgz
[21:16] <packeteer> installpkg blah.txz
[21:16] <Ratrophy> eh
[21:16] <Shadowkllr> but where do i get those files form?
[21:16] <Shadowkllr> from
[21:16] <Ratrophy> did you read the README of the source?
[21:16] <Ratrophy> or the INSTALL?
[21:16] <packeteer> cd / ftp.slackware.com
[21:16] <packeteer> cdrom that is
[21:16] <packeteer> or a slackware mirror
[21:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[21:16] <packeteer> for official packages
[21:17] <Shadowkllr> http://slackbuilds.com/repository/13.0/network/noip2/
[21:17] <Shadowkllr> it's giving me a .gz file
[21:17] <packeteer> or slackbuilds :)
[21:17] <packeteer> slackbuilds are script to build a package
[21:17] <packeteer> scripts
[21:17] <packeteer> ie. compile from source code
[21:17] <Ratrophy> yeah
[21:17] blaines (~blaines@120.sub-75-242-114.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds
[21:18] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware.
[21:18] <packeteer> so your system needs build tools installed, u need the source "package" and the build script
[21:18] <Shadowkllr> i have both of them
[21:18] <packeteer> extract build script, copy source 'package' to that dir and run the script
[21:18] <Shadowkllr> i have the source download and the slack build
[21:19] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[21:19] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-61.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[21:20] <khratos> Shadowkllr: http://slackbuild.org/howto/
[21:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-105-91.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[21:20] <packeteer> or read that :)
[21:20] <Shadowkllr> ive read that till im blue in the face khratos, but i don't UNDERSTAND what i'm doing
[21:21] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving
[21:21] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware.
[21:21] <khratos> mmm... have you compiled something from source before?
[21:22] <Shadowkllr> never, that's why i'm frustrated...im not quite sure where everything goes
[21:22] blaines (~blaines@44.sub-75-242-150.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware.
[21:23] <khratos> ough!...
[21:23] <packeteer> only way to learn is break things :)
[21:23] <Shadowkllr> yep
[21:25] <khratos> Shadowkllr, what exactly you do not understand in the howto? what have you done so far?
[21:25] estranho (~diogo@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware.
[21:27] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware.
[21:28] <eviljames> Shadowkllr: there are various package management tools.  Have you tried pkgtool(8)
[21:28] <eviljames> ?
[21:28] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: peace
[21:32] <paul424> uhh I don't know what to do ... the swi prolog version I builded and installed DOES NOT do the backtracking ... epic time waste ...
[21:32] <paul424> how thats ever possible ?
[21:39] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware.
[21:40] <BP{k}> paul424: you were so smart as proclaimed earlier. I am sure you figure it otu.
[21:41] <KaMii> why is it that every plasmoid is failing to install
[21:42] <KaMii> even if I try to maually compile and install one?
[21:44] <Shadowkllr> wow that was alot easier than i made it out to be
[21:45] <jkwood> paul424: Did you check the options in the SlackBuild to see if it was specifically disabled?
[21:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[21:45] <jkwood> Usually that kind of thing will be a compile-time option.
[21:45] <paul424> no I didn't ... I just put the src2pkg to work
[21:46] <paul424> I suppose that prolog machine should do tbhe backtracing out of the box
[21:46] <paul424> yeah ... I would have to look over the config scripts
[21:46] <KaMii> i just want a plasmoid that will kill that ugly cashew
[21:46] <KaMii> i found one but it failed to install
[21:46] <KaMii> and then i tried to just grab one from the online menu within plasma
[21:46] <KaMii> phale
[21:47] VitorBRz (kvirc@189.104.135.120) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net
[21:48] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.24) joined ##slackware.
[21:48] <jkwood> You won't notice it after a while.
[21:49] <KaMii> but i want to get rid of this plasma problem
[21:49] <KaMii> why cant any of them install?
[21:49] blaines (~blaines@44.sub-75-242-150.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[21:49] <jkwood> After all, unless you spend most of your time playing with plasma widgets, you'll hardly ever see it.
[21:49] <jkwood> Any of what?
[21:50] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware.
[21:50] <KaMii> all plasmas i try to install phale
[21:50] <Ratrophy> plasma usually destroys things
[21:50] <KaMii> i just started randomly tyring to get one to install
[21:50] <KaMii> they all phale
[21:50] <jkwood> "fail"
[21:50] <KaMii> i just want the cashew gone
[21:50] <KaMii> thats it
[21:50] <Ratrophy> no more ordering cashew chicken!
[21:52] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware.
[21:52] blaines (~blaines@17.sub-75-245-206.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware.
[21:52] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware.
[21:52] <paul424> Readme does not mentions anything
[21:54] beelinda (banned@41.236.13.57) joined ##slackware.
[21:54] <jkwood> ./configure --help
[21:56] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit
[21:56] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-22-252.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[21:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-61.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[21:56] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[21:57] <paul424> uhh I have no time right now, bye :\
[21:58] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306]
[21:58] <XGizzmo> damn jkwood you should ahve done that hours ago.
[21:59] <Fatalnix> So I'm doing something really freaking nuts :D
[21:59] <Fatalnix> a seperate /etc partition. I know, even though its only like 12 megs in /etc
[22:00] <Fatalnix> Trying to get the initrd to use it, I got it mounting ity
[22:00] <Fatalnix> :D
[22:00] <XGizzmo> I don't think that is going to work.
[22:00] <Fatalnix> why not
[22:00] <XGizzmo> fstab
[22:00] <Fatalnix> as soon as the initrd mounts /, you can mount any partitions you want. if you mount /etc by device to /etc then it should theoreticly work
[22:01] <jkwood> XGizzmo: hehe
[22:01] <Fatalnix> you dont need fstab for crap
[22:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[22:01] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.65) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[22:02] <XGizzmo> Fatalnix: I guess you could hack up he initrd to do it, but why?
[22:02] <Fatalnix> because I can
[22:02] <Fatalnix> for some reason it isnt finding inittab but I'm working on it
[22:02] <mancha> so "because i can't" is more accurate?
[22:02] <XGizzmo> yeah you can pour gas on your ass and set it on fire, that don't mean you should.
[22:02] <danc3> hehe
[22:02] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware.
[22:03] <MLanden> 'eya,peeps
[22:03] <Fatalnix> well the good news is I can see it mounting right before init goes O_O
[22:03] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[22:04] blaines (~blaines@17.sub-75-245-206.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[22:06] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
[22:07] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware.
[22:07] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[22:08] blaines (~blaines@48.sub-75-245-87.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware.
[22:11] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving
[22:11] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[22:12] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving
[22:14] blaines (~blaines@48.sub-75-245-87.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
[22:15] estranho (~diogo@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving
[22:16] <Fatalnix> HA!
[22:16] <Fatalnix> works
[22:16] <Fatalnix> all it takes is a line such as mount -t ext4 /dev/vg0/etc /mnt/etc in your initrd
[22:17] <MLanden> Fatalnix, what're you workin' on?
[22:18] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-zopypywlzsifbscl) joined ##slackware.
[22:18] <Fatalnix> I am running my machine with encryption + lvm on the entire disk cept for /boot, and uses /etc on a seperate partition without copying over inittab and fstab, and the like to whatever was in /etc before its mounted on /
[22:19] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware.
[22:19] <Fatalnix> I can only think of one situation where sperate /etc is usefu
[22:19] <Fatalnix> useful*
[22:21] <MLanden> Fatalnix, cool...how's the speed?
[22:23] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware.
[22:24] Shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-69-253-22-90.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]
[22:24] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[22:25] <pi31415> just switched back to twm, and the first thing I noticed was that unlike konsole, rxvt doesn't seem to use freetype
[22:26] <mancha> i think it does
[22:29] <mancha> though i think you are right...
[22:29] <pi31415> ldd /usr/bin/rxvt|grep ft|wc -l # 0
[22:30] <mancha> yep, it doesn't use freetype by my analysis here
[22:30] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss
[22:30] <pi31415> back to xterm for me =)
[22:31] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: pqp!
[22:32] <mancha> lots of memory holes in twm, btw. you'd be much better off using fvwm with a config that keeps it bare bones (a twm clone)
[22:35] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[22:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-252.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[22:36] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[22:39] <pi31415> fvwm was good advice
[22:40] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[22:40] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[22:40] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[22:44] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back!
[22:45] <KaMii> i think i know why its not working i dont have a .kde4 folder
[22:45] <KaMii> instaed its .kde
[22:45] <KaMii> if i rename it to .kde4 will that be bad?
[22:46] khratos (~khratos@190.166.134.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[22:49] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[22:52] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware.
[22:53] <rob0> KaMii, see the /etc/profile.d/kde.* files. Those set the environment variables which control where KDE looks for its junk.
[22:54] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[22:54] <KaMii> ok, well im not gonna worry about it, i still wanna get rid of that annoying cashew
[22:55] <KaMii> its ugly
[22:55] <rob0> You can change that if you want, or better yet, just override it in your own .bashrc startup file (create it if you don't have it.)
[22:55] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-zopypywlzsifbscl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
[22:57] <KaMii> weird, rebooted and now kde4 is idling at the same percentage as it was in 3.5
[22:57] <KaMii> it works, me happy
[22:59] <eviljames> are your desktop effects enabled?  gotta have eye candy!
[23:00] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-190.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware.
[23:00] khratos (~khratos@190.166.134.1) joined ##slackware.
[23:00] <eviljames> most useful ones: set top left corner to Desktop Grid, set top right corner to Show Windows (This Desktop)
[23:00] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[23:01] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.128.100) joined ##slackware.
[23:01] <alreadygone> \o
[23:01] <KaMii> never i dont do that junk
[23:02] <jkwood> Wobbly Windows is the most useful one, in my opinion.
[23:04] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[23:05] beelinda (banned@41.236.13.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
[23:07] <antiwire> I find "snow" extremely motivating
[23:13] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[23:14] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-96.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[23:14] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[23:15] khratos (~khratos@190.166.134.1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[23:19] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-22.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[23:20] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[23:20] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[23:21] <KaMii> how do I enable utf8 inside kde4?
[23:28] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
[23:28] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal
[23:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
[23:33] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware.
[23:33] <eviljames> Why won't they implement a compositing version of xeyes
[23:35] lokken (~chris@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Quit: Changing server
[23:37] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
[23:37] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet.
[23:37] <Ratrophy> no clue, I didn't ask the xeyes author!
[23:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
[23:44] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
[23:46] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
[23:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[23:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware.
[23:48] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware.
[23:49] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware.
[23:51] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware.
[23:52] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.95.44) joined ##slackware.
[23:52] <stuart_> what's wrong with firefox security?
[23:52] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_
[23:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-22.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[23:53] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware.
[23:53] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[23:54] <MLanden> stu_, might be referring to the change from 3.6.2 to 3.6.3
[23:55] <stu_> MLanden: oh okay
[23:56] lokken (~chris@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware.
[23:59] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­
[23:59] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-190.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited
[23:59] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware.
[00:00] --- Wed Apr 14 2010