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(unrealircd etc) [01:26] irssi [01:26] because it's very versatile [01:27] and perl scriptable [01:27] haha wait. isnt irssi an irc client? [01:27] weechat some like, though they don't use it for most of what they claim to like it for. [01:27] asdfjkl: yes it is. [01:28] im looking for a server. [01:28] you asked how irssi is better than others. [01:29] i do not know what unrealircd is, my fault? [01:29] lol. no. my brain didnt immediately register irssi as a client [01:29] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-21.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] sorry about the confusion [01:30] okay [01:31] i imagine a world where mario golf will put a quick end to frivolous desputes. 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[02:28] It's working for me here. [02:28] yep - back up now [02:28] was down..now it's up...yup,just taking a nap [02:29] it's ok here [02:30] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:30] hba (~hba@189.188.115.79) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:31] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [02:33] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:35] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:38] http://www.marketwatch.com/story/oracle-sues-google-for-patent-infringement-2010-08-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp [02:39] here they come [02:39] roccity_ (~fataltech@202-154-137-249.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:45] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.114.249) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:46] dip: i can just tell by the url it's not good [02:47] jgeboski: http://www.osnews.com/comments/23681 [02:47] oracle is so damn money and power hungruy [02:48] hi [02:48] jgeboski: let's see what happens [02:48] any one turned on WOL ? [02:48] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:49] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-147.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:50] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.145) joined ##slackware. [02:50] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.59.46) joined ##slackware. [02:50] dip: that's all you can do. I was really 'sickened' when Sun got bought out by of all companies Oracle. [02:51] jgeboski: yeah, me too. [02:52] jgeboski: and it gets worse and worse [02:52] stunix (1000@85.19.141.252) left irc: Quit: When all are one and one is all, to be a rock and not to roll. [02:52] that's for damn sure [02:53] morning [02:53] morn [02:53] dip: the future of OpenOffice.org, Java, VirtualBox, and MySQL (which now has a sister replacement) are all in the balance [02:54] staroffice [02:54] open source won't die [02:54] opensolaris [02:54] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:54] gone [02:54] just a damn shame [02:54] we know better than that. :) [02:55] we are the cancer steve balmer spoke of. XD [02:55] roccity_ (~fataltech@202-154-137-249.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:55] morn [02:55] Larry Ellison > bill gates [02:55] in evil [02:55] ? [02:56] ? [02:56] forget evil [02:56] normal people will stand by open source and linux [02:56] madness [02:57] maybe [02:57] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:57] ? [02:57] none at all [02:57] =) [02:57] opensource will be our friedn longer than those reps have time to talk. [02:57] all i can say is i hope google goes in the court room and pisses on Oravle [02:57] s/Oravle/Oracle [02:58] no [02:58] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [02:58] me too [02:58] oracle can become like sun [02:58] give them a chance [02:58] althought i don't like what Google/Verizon are doing [02:58] stinky, they had their chance [02:58] no [02:59] they will again [02:59] it is comming time [02:59] linux is gonna have a revival so to speak soon [02:59] and i'm not speaking dim-wittingly [02:59] stinky, i sure hope you're right don't get me wrong but, I know how Oracle has been. [03:00] jgeboski: well, it soon won't be a question of oracle [03:00] it will be, hey.. [03:00] we have been promised this for 20 years. [03:00] 95-2008 Windows [03:01] we want something that works [03:01] and the true admins will find themselves in linux. [03:01] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-21.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:02] i just don't know [03:02] everything is uncertain at this point [03:02] there is simply nothing they can do to bypass the ease of use for admins that *nix systems appeals to. [03:02] give it a year or two and we'll know for sure what path they want to follow [03:03] either way.. also it is my opinion that the net will help us survive the economics troubles we are having now. [03:04] jgeboski: in a year or tow the *nix user will be a competent admin, whereas the Windows user will still be adept. [03:05] s/tow/two [03:05] well I'd have to say there aren't very many windoze ones anyways [03:05] I'm not into that stuff professionally so fill me in if i am wrong [03:05] no, you are right on [03:06] just remember that OSS isn't going anywhere [03:06] I support OS and free softwware [03:06] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [03:06] I'd hope since you're in ##slackware [03:06] ;) [03:07] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] well, i mean that I support source code and the right to not have to reveal the source [03:07] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:08] I'd say that in moderation [03:08] nah [03:08] there are certain times when it's appropriate [03:09] Yes [03:09] a lot of the time it's hidden it's not necessary [03:10] but there is always more than one way to look at things [03:10] I'd tend to look at the open source view and be thick headed [03:10] though [03:10] if you concise your thoughts [03:11] maybe we are able to think of it on different planes. :)| [03:11] yes [03:12] stinky, nice chat. Have to cut you short and catch some sleep before my head hits the keyboard. [03:13] jhell_ (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [03:13] good night [03:13] lafille (~lafille@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. 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I have no problem with lilo myself, it is rather simple... make install (of kernel) even runs it automatically [04:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:14] I just do make install, and make modules_install for installing my kernel... that is sufficient right? [04:14] Zordrak: how many people run windows and don't know what they're talking about? [04:14] infinity is a pretty big number [04:15] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [04:17] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [04:18] foobarz: yeah, if you only update your kernel once in a while, I'd make a package (and there is a tutorial somewhere on the internet :-) ) [04:18] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.225) joined ##slackware. [04:19] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.80.225) joined ##slackware. [04:21] put xorg.conf with nouveau back and now X works again, better :-) [04:21] rworkman: hi, do you intend to update your xorg packages? (and continue updating them) [04:22] (I'm only a bit lazy because I definitely have the cpu time to do it myself) [04:28] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:28] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:28] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.60) joined ##slackware. [04:28] Mowah (1000@c-d788e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:36] hahawut (~ahawut@122.162.7.2) joined ##slackware. [04:40] finally got a nice, wireless-enabled, superfast laptop built using slack 13.1 and using only 50 MB of RAM [04:40] feels good man [04:40] hahawut: 50MB? What a bloated fudge factory! ;) [04:40] Aim for at least 42MB :) [04:41] hehe yeah. pretty good results though considering that i wasnt even trying ;) [04:42] will tinker with the kernel next time [04:43] how much space are you taking up on your HD? [04:44] hmmm i've installed lots of apps and personal data now, but i'll still check [04:44] ignore that.. HDD space use for an installation isnt a measure of anything [04:44] it shoulrd be 4-5GB and that aint no thang [04:46] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-11-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:46] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:46] total size : 5.0 GB; size on disk : 3.8 GB [04:46] not sure whats the difference [04:47] hahawut: its about block size [04:47] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:47] go on [04:47] but id expect the figures to be the other way around [04:47] Default block size is 4096 bytes [04:47] this means that a 2byte file will use 4096 bytes on disk [04:48] a 4097 byte file will use 8192 bytes [04:48] "ignore that"? [04:48] cheeky [04:48] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.60) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:48] oh [04:48] I was actually curious, Zordrak, so stuff it. :P [04:48] popl: i just didnt want to go into the whole argument again.. im tird of it,.. had it too many times [04:48] I didn't say it was a measure of anything. [04:48] you're the one being contentious [04:48] no 'fence [04:49] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:49] lol chill guys [04:50] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.89.239) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:50] I just don't like being minimized, is all, especially flippantly. That was rude. :P [04:50] but it's not important [04:51] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:54] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [04:54] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] If he thinks that was rude.. I should be sure to store up a surprise for him.. [04:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.89.239) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Nick change: Aldaron_ -> Aldaron [05:00] What kernel version uses slack 13.1? [05:01] or maybe "What kernel does slackware 13.1 use?" [05:01] D1ver (~chatzilla@ppp121-44-211-162.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:01] 2.6.33.4 [05:01] alisonken1lap: thanks [05:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:02] is it? i thought it was 2 crap crappy crap point crap..? [05:02] ok im biased [05:03] well, you're somthing [05:03] :) [05:03] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:09] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:10] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:21] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:23] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d0000d9.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] How can I enable drm for X on slackware? [05:26] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [05:26] get a working video card? [05:29] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] alisonken1lap: I have via chipset. [05:30] kde? [05:33] EthanG (~ethan@sourcemage/guru/eekee) joined ##slackware. [05:35] MoZes_ (3355@connie.slackware.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:41] panda_ (panda@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Axius: are you using kde desktop? [05:41] panda_ (panda@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu) left ##slackware. [05:41] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.80.225) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:44] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 247 seconds [05:45] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:46] morning lads o/ [05:46] (and possible lasses) [05:47] morning [05:47] y0 phrag [05:49] hallo [05:51] ov3rmind (~2010@unaffiliated/ov3rmind) joined ##slackware. [05:51] good morning sll #! [05:52] mornang [05:55] Morning all. [05:59] stunix (1000@85.19.141.252) joined ##slackware. [06:00] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [06:02] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:04] hey guys i've thought about mysql in slackware. Is it free software and will it be developed actively now. Because Orcal has bought it couple of days ago. Now will there be postgree sql in any further release of slackware? [06:04] stephen_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [06:05] s/Orcal.Oracle [06:05] s/Orcal/Oracle [06:05] oh xD [06:05] Its' still free software. [06:07] stephen__ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 247 seconds [06:10] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.225) joined ##slackware. [06:12] oracle bought it ages ago? [06:13] it bought sun, who owned mysql [06:17] Could anyone help me word thie better? "I currently undertake a lot of little projects and I am still available. So barring projects that I worked on in the past that have NDA, private ones, intranets, etc, what you see in the next section is what I worked on." [06:19] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:20] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:21] Axius (~fd@109.97.59.74) joined ##slackware. [06:24] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Axius (~fd@109.97.59.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:27] Axius (~fd@92.82.71.76) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Action: Zordrak is mounting the charge behind postgres [06:29] technically better and GPL [06:30] grazymax (~grazymax@host18-96-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Axius (~fd@92.82.71.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:31] suuuure :D [06:32] sorry, I'm a cynic. I was enjoying reading your RAID61 blog post last night, Zordrak [06:33] vinic (~konversat@p5B3D51F5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:33] EthanG, Zordrak is a good writer. [06:34] EthanG: ty [06:34] yeah, been a while since I spent that long reading a blog [06:34] postgres IS technically a better system than MySQL.. its just not as popular because MySQL beat it to the punch so people got used to MySQL. [06:35] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Zordrak, so you mean betamaxed. [06:35] When you consider that in addition postgres is GPL AND doesnt rely on a third party's IP for basic functionality (re InnoDB) its clearly worth migrating to [06:35] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:36] risah: I understand why you would say that but its a false analogy as in software things change around a lot because you dont get put out of business because everyone's using the competitor [06:36] Zordrak, link to this writeup? [06:36] nm, found it [06:37] Strykar: heh [06:37] not a lot of people are using RAID61 yet :) [06:37] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:37] i dont even know whats 61 [06:37] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:37] you better post now the link to it! [06:38] Zordrak, ooh.. yay! Alright I understand now. [06:38] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/high-availability-storage-with-slackware-drbd-pacemaker/ [06:38] thanks :) [06:39] "Armageddon / The Rapture / Alien Invasion: Pray (Yes, Complete, Yes)" Ahaha! [06:39] mashed (~hamanspam@cpc3-nmal14-0-0-cust629.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:39] It doesn't help that I am religious, I would've been praying anyway. [06:39] :) [06:40] On first glance though it looks expensive to setup. [06:40] hell no. 7,000 GBP [06:41] For business-level super-redundant 3TB storage thats nothing [06:41] mashed (~hamanspam@cpc3-nmal14-0-0-cust629.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:41] for HALF the space and nowhere NEARL the redundancy NetApp want Ł12,000 GBP [06:41] That's 10,000 USD. Definitely not for home usage. [06:41] mashed (~hamanspam@cpc3-nmal14-0-0-cust629.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:41] No. It's not for home use. Howere, the technology is. [06:42] If you already have a bunch of disks and a RAID6 card you could do something similar at home with the same tech [06:42] but this is a proper professinal installation write-up [06:42] Axius (~fd@92.82.82.233) joined ##slackware. [06:44] test [06:45] Test failed. [06:47] Has anyone successfully configureted the openchrome driver on slack? I have problems with that driver. [06:48] result failed. [06:48] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-vnwuqticqkcfwtni) joined ##slackware. [06:50] pupit is probably crying. :'( [06:51] nah [06:51] \o/ [06:52] AkiraYB_ (~FarSeer@201-92-76-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [06:53] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-76-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:58] blacklinux (~blacklinu@121.54.29.50) joined ##slackware. [06:59] ov3rmind (~2010@unaffiliated/ov3rmind) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:59] Yay! [06:59] Action: risah hugs pupit [06:59] Sorry for being mean. [07:00] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Action: pupit hugs risah [07:02] sorry for not taking stuff too personally :P [07:02] lol :o [07:03] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [07:03] how can i upgrade my gcc compiler version? [07:04] i got 4.4.4 [07:04] and i downloaded 4.5.1 [07:10] blacklinux: i dont know if thats wise, but you should use gcc slackbuild from source if its there [07:11] s/if thats/is that [07:11] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:11] blacklinux: dont [07:11] blacklinux: install a new gcc version as a local install separate to the main system [07:12] blacklinux: otherwise you will almost certainly regret it later on [07:14] hmm [07:14] rsb_ (~rsb@gateway.irrsinn.de) joined ##slackware. [07:14] what should i do? [07:14] i mean i got gcc 4.4.4 and i want to upgrade to 4.5.1 [07:14] hey all! [07:14] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:14] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Does anybody knows a kiosk browser for slax? [07:15] that works with flash? [07:15] blacklinux: Zordrak just said it, and he IS a wise here... [07:16] rsb_: Slackware != Slax. We don't know. We don't care. [07:16] okay thanks [07:17] blacklinux: Use the slackware source's GCC SlackBuild, but modify the install path from /usr to /usr/local [07:17] anavel (~shandy@fm-ip-118.136.212.178.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [07:17] anavel (~shandy@fm-ip-118.136.212.178.fast.net.id) left irc: Changing host [07:17] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [07:17] blacklinux: if all you want the latest gcc for is optimizations then I _really_ wouldn't bother, unless you're doing something supremely compute-intensive and if you were then a local gcc as Zordrak suggests will be enough. [07:17] rsb_: I know its always dead, but there is a #slax channel [07:17] i hope i can find a solution there [07:17] ahh [07:18] blacklinux: I used source-based linux distros for years and failed to notice any speed improvements from upgrading gcc [07:19] so its ok if i use the 4.4.4 ? [07:19] I was using core 2 arch before gcc had specific optimizations for it. The only difference when the optimizations came out was longer compile times [07:19] yeah should be fine [07:19] well im just going to use it for simple programming and simple things [07:19] ahh [07:19] well im just going to use it for school things [07:19] my main language i want to use is python :) [07:20] oh yeah it'll be fine. granted there's always a slight possibility you'll run into a bug, but you run that risk with any version :) [07:20] python inthesky.py [07:20] is there a way to build a kiosk browser system with slackware? [07:20] wtf is a kiosk browser system? [07:20] lol phrag [07:20] a public computer terminal ? [07:21] rsb_: I'm sure there is, the old kiosk browser mini-HOWTO may be usable if you substitute seamonkey for netscape [07:21] oh, ignore me then, i've no idea what that even is =P [07:22] risah: do you happen to be the same guy as riza and miss_rizz? [07:22] rsb_: failing that, you could search for kiosk browsers based on gecko or webkit and see if there's a slackbuild for them [07:22] seamonkey is something like firefox? Important: The browser must work tih flash [07:23] Action: pupit slaps rsb_ [07:23] lol, seamonkey used to be mozilla which used to be netscape, comes from the same place as firefox. [07:23] ah okay [07:25] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:25] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.89.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:25] seamonkey is lazy the bastard stepchild of netscape that lives on a government welfare scheme and also happens to have aids [07:26] bwahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha [07:26] Axius (~fd@92.82.82.233) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:26] Action: EthanG can't stop laughing [07:26] Axius (~fd@92.85.222.42) joined ##slackware. [07:26] A software application can have AIDS? Amazing. [07:26] phrag: a kiosk browser system is a system for providing only browser functionality. can be used in libraries, etc [07:27] firefox is the one on welfare, and it hasn't got aids, that's a wasting disease. [07:27] s/on welfare/with tons of undeserved support/ [07:27] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) joined ##slackware. [07:28] rsb_: there are projects for ltsp based on various distros. no need to reinvent the wheel with another distro [07:28] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Client Quit [07:28] dude, seamonkey is worse because it lives off welware money from another project that gets undeserved support [07:29] firefox is sick. it started out with the express intention of being smaller and lighter than the rather complicated mozilla. Within a couple of years it was much larger while still providing much less functionality [07:29] hahaha well ok then [07:29] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) joined ##slackware. [07:29] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Client Quit [07:29] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) joined ##slackware. [07:29] not that there have been alternatives, webkit is just maturing now, as far as I can tell [07:29] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: gh [07:30] dillo [07:30] ananke: i don't want to invent. :-) What I am looking for, when I want to realize a kiosk system? [07:30] hahawut: Do you dillo? [07:31] hahawut: Do you use dillo? [07:31] rsb_: will you have only one system, or multiple ones? [07:31] heyyyyy doesn't konqueror have a kiosk mode? [07:31] EthanG: KDE in general supports kiosk [07:31] ooh, well then [07:31] only one system [07:31] foldy (~foldy@mail.foldy.org) joined ##slackware. [07:31] i smell some weird perverted pun in Axius' question [07:32] XD; [07:32] rsb_: ahh. then nevermind, otherwise you'd be looking at something like LTSP. as mentioned already, KDE supports kiosk mode. what's the goal behind that kiosk? [07:32] but yeah, i use dillo browser. its awesome [07:33] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Here I have a touchscreen. I only want that a browser starts to play flash games [07:35] rsb_: and what's the audience for this? [07:35] jhw (~jhw@p548D6E24.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] how do i open the gcc? [07:36] kids [07:36] blacklinux: what? [07:37] the compiler [07:37] gcc compiler [07:37] rsb_: i wonder if edubuntu has anything for that [07:37] blacklinux: open it? you don't open gcc, you run it? [07:37] blacklinux: what exactly do you want to do? [07:37] yea [07:37] blacklinux: gcc [07:37] is it gui? [07:37] no [07:37] ohh. [07:37] gcc is not a gui lol [07:37] blacklinux: find me one gui compiler [07:38] sorry [07:38] i dont know [07:38] :) [07:38] exactly [07:38] that's why im asking [07:38] blacklinux: i suggest you read something about what a compiler is and what it does before playing with it [07:38] i mean how do i programming in C in slack [07:38] http://gcc.gnu.org/ [07:39] vinegaroon (~sam@203-184-20-213.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:39] blacklinux: you write C code and compile that code into machine code with gcc [07:39] perhaps not machine code, but a compiled program [07:39] blacklinux: uhmm, if you have to ask, then you're not cut out for it. you should be researching on your own at this stage [07:39] wow(!) [07:40] ok sorry anake [07:40] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.53) joined ##slackware. [07:40] ananke* [07:40] Zordrak: yeh, you're not seeing things [07:40] vinegaroon (~sam@203-184-20-213.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:41] blacklinux, try http://www.learncpp.com/ [07:42] ok thanks :) [07:43] blacklinux: have you done any kind of programming at all? [07:44] blacklinux, start with the basics. [07:44] C++ != C [07:44] you run the compiler in the same way though [07:45] mwalling, i used that link because it provides some nice info on programming in general [07:45] Action: EthanG resolves to write a series of pages on real programming basics [07:45] personally, i think you should go java -> c -> * [07:45] or rather real computer basics [07:45] javac is friendly [07:45] c is fun [07:46] ruby requires vast quantities of alcohol [07:46] heheh [07:47] I believe in languages for programmers; i.e. different languages suit different people. I get on well with Plan 9 shell script and the tools behind it, quite a different environment to POSIX shell [07:47] i haven't touched c in a decade, and this week i was learning about openMP and MPI. now those are fun [07:47] ananke: mpi is better when you have to deal with it in f90 [07:47] ananke, I'd think you use C everyday. [07:48] ooh, MPI.. i nearly got a job for TNT doing that =P [07:48] risah: not at all. system administration in general doesn't require much use of c [07:48] EthanG: yeah, but java for the basics (ifs, fors, whiles,e tc), c to understand pointers, then what ever you what [07:48] s/what$/want/ [07:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:48] it didnt interest me enough though so i didnt take the offer.. looks like there's a bit to learn though [07:48] mwalling: ah that makes sense [07:49] mwalling: yeah, we've gone over f77 & f90 syntax and approach to those too. now fortran is something i haven't touched in 15+ years [07:49] java was my first language at university (although had already learned basic BASH scripting) [07:49] ananke: i havent touched it in .... 15 hours [07:49] D1ver (~chatzilla@ppp121-44-211-162.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.6/20100721141910] [07:49] I would say java doesn't supply better basics than C, but C error reporting is a bit harsh [07:49] i found java to be a good steppign stone to OOP [07:49] I hate OOP :) [07:49] EthanG: < mwalling> javac is friendly [07:49] yeah [07:50] all this chat and blacklinux isn't even listening =P [07:50] hehe [07:50] :D [07:50] ruhro, am i going to get trolled to death by them for mentioning java? [07:50] Action: phrag has a poorly hangover =/ [07:50] also, oracle sucks [07:50] he hasn't replied to the basic question: programming experience [07:50] oh, he was the original asker [07:50] maybe he's reading that link [07:51] probably [07:51] maybe you scared him off [07:51] rsb_ (rsb@gateway.irrsinn.de) left ##slackware ("Leaving..."). [07:54] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:55] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [07:55] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:55] groo (~groo@201-1-74-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:55] is it home time yet [07:55] been on call 8 days... sick as fsck =/ [07:55] groo (~groo@201-1-74-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [07:55] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Action: raela gives phrag a hug [07:56] Action: phrag slips his on call phone into raela's pocket [07:56] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [07:56] hehe [07:57] hahaha.. that might just get you in trouble.. "hey, something really bad is going down, how do we do this?!!?!" "umm I dunno.. kick the box a few times" [07:57] raela: that's my standard methodology =P [07:57] though I refuse to answer any phone except my cell phone [07:57] sitting in the lab alone, phone rings? ignore it [07:57] raela: haha, me too [07:58] then the tech comes back and asks when the person called (cause the message light is flashing) and I've totally forgotten the phone even rang :/ [07:58] what if it's the nigerian president and he has some extra money that he wants to give you... all he needs is your bank details! [07:58] tell him cash only :P [07:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.12.113) joined ##slackware. [07:59] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:59] at least i can go home for lunch =) [07:59] fAu (~fAu@78.134.6.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:59] that is the awesome... just moved nice and local [07:59] ohh, cool. congrats [08:00] fAu (~fAu@78.134.6.96) joined ##slackware. [08:01] =) [08:01] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:03] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:09] Unga (d5dea7f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.167.249) joined ##slackware. [08:09] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.167.249' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:09] Unga kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: trolling [08:09] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:11] hahawut (~ahawut@122.162.7.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:11] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Hm... [08:14] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [08:14] dudu (~dudu@unaffiliated/dudu) joined ##slackware. [08:14] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:14] Show me your legals! [08:14] Legals are in process! [08:15] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("take care..."). [08:16] dudu (dudu@unaffiliated/dudu) left ##slackware. [08:16] o.o... [08:16] I think... I think that's the first time I've ever seen a staffer make jokes!!! o.o [08:17] cr4ck (~cauank@189.73.239.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:17] How do you tell who are the staffers here? [08:18] Right click on their name if you have xchat. [08:19] Hm I gotta ask how to setup samba later on in the day.. [08:19] I share this IP with other people but I want to be able to share data too, not just internet connection. [08:19] oh the hostmask. that's not a slackware hostmask [08:19] Nope. [08:20] risah: I'm not a staffer [08:20] at least not anymore [08:20] You're not?... It says staff. [08:20] What happened? [08:20] So is there a rule that says staffers have to have no humor? D: [08:20] Dominian: what's your hostmask from? I've never seen /about/linux/ before [08:20] EthanG: ##linux [08:21] risah: nah.. you'd be surprised how funny some of the staff are [08:21] EthanG: I'm an OP in ##linux [08:21] ahh ok [08:21] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:22] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:22] Dominian, cause I dunno why they are mean to me. [08:22] Okay. [08:23] ah [08:26] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [08:26] I wanna dance. [08:27] blacklinux (~blacklinu@121.54.29.50) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:27] Action: EthanG smiles [08:28] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.216) joined ##slackware. [08:28] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) joined ##slackware. [08:31] :) May I PM you EthanG? [08:31] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-3-119.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:32] sure [08:34] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-3-119.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [08:36] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [08:41] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:43] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-223-29.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:47] j0z (unix@200.146.5.134.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:47] j0z (unix@200.146.5.134.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [08:47] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:51] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:53] in default slackware setup user's umask is 022 and primary group is users... can anyone see any problems being introduced by changing umask to 002 and using a group named as the user as the user's primary group? [08:53] a bit more like red hat i guess? [08:54] i thing it's red hat [08:59] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [08:59] Axius (~fd@92.85.222.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:59] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:01] Axius (~fd@92.82.69.238) joined ##slackware. [09:01] wont hurt anything [09:02] those things are designed to be changed to suit your needs [09:03] thought so... but thought i'd check [09:03] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:03] vinegaroon (~sam@203-184-20-213.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:04] vinegaroon (~sam@203-184-20-213.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:04] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Guest36902 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: #shellium | muillehs# [09:08] zoran119: I do that myself to be honest.. not th eumask, but I usually will setup users with a group like their username [09:08] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:09] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:10] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [09:12] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Guest58348 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Date anyone? [09:14] they are really good! [09:14] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:14] whaaat? ^^; [09:16] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Action: phrag throws up [09:18] Btw.. If someone ever threatens you with legal action, make them provide you a summons. [09:18] If they don't, they are blowing smoke and full of shit :) [09:19] Dominian, you got threatened? [09:19] *nods* :) [09:19] risah: People always threaten me :) [09:19] Because they fail to realize, I'm smarter than than think I am ;) [09:19] Hm. [09:19] Why though? [09:19] Action: thumbs sues Dominian for stepping on his lawn [09:19] *snrk* [09:19] thumbs: I'll sue you for sueing me! [09:19] Counter-sue! [09:21] j0z_ (unix@189.58.135.94) joined ##slackware. [09:21] j0z_ (unix@189.58.135.94) left irc: Changing host [09:21] j0z_ (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [09:21] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-194.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:22] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] 14:16:10 < Dominian> Because they fail to realize, I'm smarter than than think I am ;) [09:24] noobfarm ^ =) [09:24] :) [09:24] hehe, hows it going dom [09:24] do it yourself [09:24] lazy [09:24] phrag: its going [09:25] mwalling: sorry ? [09:25] Just watching some idiot trying to make claims to legal issues that he has no grounds for :) [09:25] noobfarm it yourself! [09:25] and of which no lawyer would take considering the idiot is poor, has no real job, no real friends, and lives ina basement of his parents' house. [09:25] Nick change: risah -> risarisarisa [09:25] phrag: did you want sware iron as a browser? [09:25] mwalling: erm, yeh that's what i've done... i was informing the channel i had [09:25] mwalling: why did you think i was asking someone *else* to post it to noobfarm? that makes no sense [09:26] cause youre lazy! [09:26] :) [09:26] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] hey, anyone use ext4 on daily basis ? how's the reliability and speed ? [09:27] i'm an SA on 24/7 call... if i was that lazy, i would not have a job =P [09:27] anavel: works fine here [09:28] anavel: i do on all my slackware machines, have done for around a year now iirc [09:28] anavel: use it on my laptop and desktop both.. works great [09:28] Now, I'd use btrfs if it was a bit more stable :) [09:28] but I'll give it another couple of years [09:28] Mowah (1000@c-d788e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:28] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-138-150.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [09:29] Dominian, phrag : better speed ? [09:29] anavel: no issue's here... it does seem faster actually (and it should be) [09:30] ok. thanks [09:32] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-138-150.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:32] yeah I notice a speed increase [09:33] then again I'm on a quad-core AMD.. everything seems fast ;) [09:34] I try to compile config.h for dwm and I get some error. [09:34] this is the file:http://paste.pocoo.org/show/249770/ [09:34] I've used ext4 for a few days, had a 5-10 second stall yesterday [09:35] Axius: Can you tell us the command you are running and pastebin the error messages you get [09:35] Dominian: ok [09:35] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:35] I'd be unsurprised if e4 is faster than e3, but surprised if it's faster than e2 [09:35] If you remove journaling.. of course it'll be faster [09:36] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:37] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Dominian: what's your gpu ? [09:37] mmhmm >_> [09:37] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.16.70) joined ##slackware. [09:38] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT] (rev a2) [09:38] Dominian: This is the error I get: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/249773/ [09:38] Dominian: do you run mplayer with that va-api ? [09:38] I don't mess with mplayer much.. and not sure what va-api is [09:39] Axius_: what's the full command you are running [09:39] Dominian: something that divide the decoding process to the gpu. yours should be supported. [09:39] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [09:39] makepkg -i [09:40] Axius (~fd@92.82.69.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:40] anavel: I've never tested it [09:40] interesting [09:40] my gpu gets put under more stress than my cpu, lol [09:41] lamah (ghost@78.90.113.108) left ##slackware. [09:42] Dominian: more info on mplayerhq.hu. ;) [09:42] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.16.70) left irc: Client Quit [09:42] your 1080p playback should be more smooth [09:42] Axius (~fd@92.84.16.70) joined ##slackware. [09:43] So wait guys, once youd elete your gmail account it's permanently deleted? [09:43] do you know any freeware equivalent for Altova XMLSpy and MapForce ? [09:44] risarisarisa: i am not 100% sure 'till i ssh google mail server :P [09:44] Damnit... Damnit. [09:44] anavel: That wouldn't do it either [09:44] Biggest mistake today. [09:44] same with facebook, twitter and such. [09:44] there's no guarantee your data is not backed up [09:45] I deleted it to delete adsense. [09:45] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:45] Wasn't aware they don't recycle names. [09:45] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [09:46] what's posted on the net (usually) stays on the net. [09:46] EthanG: same =) [09:47] ^^; [09:47] although i did get all 4 cores (8 HT) running flat out and my CPU up to 85C which my cooling turned down [09:47] i won't say what i was doing =P [09:47] porn! [09:48] yeh, enough porn to consume 4 x 3.8GHz lol [09:48] i loaded up a 128node partition on a bluegene [09:48] XD porn in hd [09:48] XD [09:48] 1080p bd-rip pr0n ? O_o [09:48] hahaha [09:48] Hopefully I qualify for adsense again. [09:49] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:49] high-resolution 1920x1080 sperm ? :S [09:49] *snerk* [09:50] rainbow table pr0n [09:50] o.o [09:50] Ewww. [09:50] no sperm talk. [09:50] Action: anavel points at EthanG [09:50] it's him and his gpu... [09:50] gup? [09:51] jhw (~jhw@p548D6E24.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:51] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:51] jhw (~jhw@p548D6E24.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Don't look at me, I don't watch porn video. [09:51] Prefer to write me own. [09:52] you "write" pron with vi ? no wonder your gpu loaded :S [09:52] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:53] remind me to never to go one of anavel's book clubs [09:53] hahahaha, noooo not vi! [09:54] jhw (~jhw@p548D6E24.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:54] btw, do you guys think linux getting bloated ? [09:55] ananke, no. [09:56] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [09:56] jhw (~jhw@p548D6E24.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] risarisarisa: wrong person [09:58] Whoops. [09:58] anavel, no. [09:58] Heh. [09:58] anavel: considering the kernel maintainer has said the kernel's too bloated? and that gnu libc is vastly harder to hack than any BSD libc (and they're more complex than they could be)? and that xfce requires more resources for doing less than Windows 98? Heck yeah [09:58] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:58] I'd say it's "necessary" than bloated. [09:59] Nick change: risarisarisa -> miss_riss [09:59] yeah, that's always the excuse [09:59] :3 [09:59] here we go http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/ [10:00] Aw.. :( [10:00] EthanG: reason why i use custom kernel and fluxbox on core 2 duo ;) [10:01] let's not confuse xfce with linux. xfce is no longer the 'lightweight' DE [10:01] if you want a lighter DE, go with lxde [10:01] yeah, xfce not so light anymore. [10:03] it still provides less than Win98. How about lxde? [10:03] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:04] ananke, i settled with splunk and dumped the php-syslog-ng crap for my syslog needs [10:04] EthanG: it's actually quite nice [10:04] ah ok :) [10:04] nachox: cool. i may do that too [10:04] ananke, i have one further recommendation, have you ever heard of zenoss? [10:05] nachox: splunk is interesting for headless, nice. thanks :) [10:05] nachox: yes. have been meaning to try it [10:05] nachox: i was trying to get logzilla going, and i have it running, but i'd prefer something nicer [10:05] ananke, in suse? [10:05] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:06] nachox: yes [10:06] Action: ananke doesn't deploy much of anything else these days [10:06] odd, i was not able to get it running properly in SLES, old version of mysql, old version of clients, broken pipes and everything [10:07] logzilla? [10:07] yep [10:07] i was doing it on opensuse 11.3 [10:07] maybe its has a newer version of mysql? [10:07] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:07] very likely [10:08] i even had to patch the perl code to get it to do something other than exploding [10:08] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:08] ouch. i had it working with no issues, other than trying to get rsyslog to log in the format they expected [10:08] mysql-community-server-client-5.1.46-2.18.i586 [10:08] so you like zenoss? [10:08] JiMMyJaKAzz (~waazzaabb@206.162.161.156) joined ##slackware. [10:09] lo all [10:10] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.167.249 expired. [10:10] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.167.249' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:10] ananke, very much. its was really easy to install. My only problem with it was that the autodiscovery feature was useless [10:10] cool, they have both sles and opensuse installers [10:11] yeah, i'm on my way of abandoning individual small tools and going for bigger all-in-one solutions [10:11] question... curious in 13.1 or probably recent.. I notice postfix is not default or installed. I am assuming sendmail is the route taken? [10:11] JiMMyJaKAzz: correct. slackware has only sendmail [10:11] ananke, cool [10:12] ananke, well zenos is more like an snmp and syslog tool alone [10:12] ananke, any reason why? [10:12] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:12] kickback (~kickback@122.161.88.226) joined ##slackware. [10:13] JiMMyJaKAzz: because pat said so [10:13] lol [10:13] JiMMyJaKAzz: i'm serious. [10:13] ananke, yes, but he must have a reason no? [10:14] postfix is available from slackbuilds.org [10:14] mwalling, I did install postfix, just curious why is all. [10:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Action: JiMMyJaKAzz but I am going back to sendmail.. more stable for 13.1 or recent. [10:15] friday fail [10:15] JiMMyJaKAzz: what is your reason for ? [10:16] ananke, huh? [10:16] speaking of mail, is anyone using a mail app that pulls mail off gmail, but also marks those messages as viewed on gmail.com? [10:16] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [10:16] ananke, the last think i heard from the logzilla devel started with something like "Well...I think I'm about out of ideas, there has to be something funky going on here." [10:16] JiMMyJaKAzz: your approach seems to be odd. you expect a reason for something that's not happening. as if there had to always be a reason for something not happening [10:17] right now, I am using seamonkey mail, it grabs gmail messages, but if I login to the gmail server with my browser, it shows all those messages were never viewd [10:17] ananke,no no.. I think you miss read this... I am just curious... I rather support sendmail than postfix... just curious is all.. [10:17] Destructo (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) joined ##slackware. [10:17] hey hey all. [10:18] JiMMyJaKAzz: slackware doesn't have postfix for the same reason why it doesn't have XYZ: because pat didn't include postfix [10:18] ananke, thats good enough answer for me. [10:18] i downloads some files to my usb stick. now when i try to untar i get an error saying i dont have the right permision. [10:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [10:20] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:20] ananke, you have to wonder how Pat came across that decision. [10:21] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Destructo: your user does not own the folder your usb stick is mounted to [10:21] either chown that folder, or copy the files to ~/ and untar [10:22] JiMMyJaKAzz: what decision? [10:23] JiMMyJaKAzz: you assume there was a decision. by that logic, how did you come to a decision of not becoming a monk? [10:23] Kamii ive never had that happen. weird [10:23] JiMMyJaKAzz: it doesn't have gnome because gnome became a pain to build. I dont' know if that applies to postfix, I suspect not, but considering it's hard for a novice to set up and a small mistake can make a postfix box a spam haven... [10:23] or what ananke said :D [10:24] Axius (~fd@92.84.16.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:24] EthanG, ok... than its starting to come to light with that reason. [10:25] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:25] KaMii (~nebulae@unaffiliated/kamii) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:25] Axius (~fd@92.84.10.60) joined ##slackware. [10:26] ananke, the reason EthanG is understanable.. but to say 'cause he did not want it' is somewhat hard to understand. [10:26] JiMMyJaKAzz: i _never_ said he didn't want it [10:26] i need to parse a list of ip and hostnames, listed one below each other.. so it goes IP, next line hostname, IP, hostname etc. [10:27] what's best way to parse this file into IP HOSTNAME [10:27] JiMMyJaKAzz: i did say he said so, but what i really meant is: slackware doesn't have postfix, because pat didn't put it in slackware [10:27] PCmanFM is always asking for root permission when I try to mount a drive. Is there a way I can fix this? [10:27] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:28] ananke, you are correct he did not say that but said 'pat said so' [10:28] anyways, lets move on. [10:28] for i in hosts.mer; do awk '{ print $1 }'; echo -n; done [10:28] something like that [10:28] but not that =P [10:28] phrag: I guess I'd use awk; maintain a var for ip line or hostname line and use the var in the pattern to determine which action is run [10:29] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-162-77-70.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:29] while read [10:29] phrag: actually forget the var, just se a regexp expression, retain the ip in a variable and print it when you get the hostname [10:30] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:30] phrag, use sed [10:30] or paste [10:31] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-161-200-67.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:33] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:34] paste? hehe [10:34] phrag, nacho@pentest:~$ echo -e "127.0.0.1\nlocalhost" | paste - - [10:34] 127.0.0.1 localhost [10:34] ooh, not heard of paste! [10:34] confrey (~dario@178-83-153-90.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:34] thanks nachox, will play around with that =) [10:34] no problem mate [10:34] i thought you meant cut and paste =P [10:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.12.113) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:37] phrag, much easier than nacho@pentest:~$ echo -e "127.0.0.1\nlocalhost" | sed -n 'N;s/\n/ /;p' [10:37] 127.0.0.1 localhost [10:37] i see how that works, nice =) [10:37] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:37] more portable too, that doesnt work in anything but gnu sed [10:37] sed is the mess =P [10:37] hey i can use .txz with installpkg right .. ? [10:38] Destructo: yes [10:38] so long as it's a slackware package =P [10:38] and you didnt just mv bleh.avi{,.txz} [10:38] =P [10:39] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [10:39] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [10:39] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:39] phrag thank you. [10:40] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl13-212-66.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:40] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:40] anyone here have experience with fwcutter or anything related to broadcom [10:42] Axius (~fd@92.84.10.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:42] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:43] destructo: yes, a bit [10:44] kcikback what did you use . exactly. [10:44] kickback i have a pcmcia wireless adapter. on another slackware based distro. i used ndiswrapper to get the card going. im trying ndiswrapper on slackware at the moment, but i get FATAL: ndiswrapper not found after i run modprobe ndiswrapper. so now i want to try fwcutter and/or anything else to get the card going [10:44] which card is it anyway? [10:44] its a,linksys wpc54g pcmcia wireless adapter [10:44] with broadcom chiptset [10:45] ..oops [10:45] i mean, the number of the card [10:45] like bcm 4312, 4315, etc [10:45] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:46] kickback i beleibve its 4306 [10:46] tantan_ (tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Destructo, I believe its supported by b43 legacy driver [10:47] ok. im not familiar with fwcutter. how do i use it. [10:48] Destructo, you dont need fwcuter for that [10:48] oh. ok.. [10:48] download the wl***** and go from there ..? [10:48] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.12.236.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:49] from here ---> #bcm-users [10:49] ooops [10:49] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [10:49] ah yes thanks you [10:49] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [10:49] opps [10:49] im late [10:51] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-161-200-67.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:52] ok times up thank you all [10:53] Destructo (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:53] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-146-79.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:56] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:56] kickback (~kickback@122.161.88.226) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:57] kickback (~kickback@122.161.88.226) joined ##slackware. [10:57] ok, so apparently, HAL and FUSE are not loading at startup [10:57] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.12.236.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.12.113) joined ##slackware. [10:59] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:00] how do i make hal and fuse modules tart up at boot? [11:00] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [11:00] s/tart/start [11:01] what about rc.local? [11:01] m3tti (~user@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] jg71, so i just add hal and fuse to the list, right? [11:03] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [11:04] what list? i didnt read up. [11:04] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:05] i mean, the rc.local file. i just add hal and fuse to it, or is there some specific syntax to follow? [11:05] iew. nope. i thought you knew what rc.local can do for you... forget my reply. [11:06] :/ [11:06] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:09] m3tti (~user@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:12] allend (~allend@CPE-121-220-2-205.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@89.189.159.138.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Aidar-Nagato (admin@89.189.159.138.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [11:14] kickback (~kickback@122.161.88.226) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:14] kickack (~kickback@122.161.88.226) joined ##slackware. [11:16] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:17] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:19] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:19] m3tti (~user@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.147) joined ##slackware. [11:19] hey how could i delete a whole categorie in slackware like kdei ??? [11:19] removepkg kdei [11:20] thats it [11:20] ? [11:20] try it =) [11:20] ok now i understand the kiss principle XD [11:20] oh nice [11:20] kiss? o.0 [11:20] hm doesn't work [11:20] ok, so to enable hal at startup, i have to add /etc/rc.d/rc.hald to /etc/rc.local, right? right? [11:21] keep it simple stupid phrag [11:21] haha, nice [11:21] shame on me for not getting that =P [11:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [11:21] kickack: no, just mark it executable (chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.hald to /etc/rc.local, right? right? [11:21] 16:17:51 < m3tti> keep it simple stupid phrag [11:21] bleh [11:21] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [11:22] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [11:22] oh ok [11:22] thanks [11:22] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC660.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:22] /etc/rc.d/rc.S calls it if marked executable [11:22] ok [11:22] that applies for most rc.* scripts in /etc/rc.d/ [11:23] i learn new stuff everyday :) [11:23] arfon (~arfon@adsl-75-54-81-16.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Hi guys.... [11:23] so to disable, chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.bleh [11:23] =) [11:23] hello arfon o/ [11:23] kickack: i love learning new linux stuff everyday [11:23] Hi phrag \o [11:23] kickack: i make a point of it, work is great for that [11:23] always need to learn new things =) [11:24] yeah [11:24] brb. reboot time [11:25] kickack (~kickback@122.161.88.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:26] slackpkg remove kdei [11:26] thats it [11:26] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:27] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:28] kickack (~kickback@122.161.88.226) joined ##slackware. [11:28] you should be able to do the same with removepkg [11:28] perhaps you needed removepkg kdei/ [11:28] or pkgtool [11:28] but yeh, slackpkg is nice [11:28] ok so i made it executable but i run modprobe hal and it says "FATAL: Module hal not found." [11:30] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:30] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:30] s/it/rc.hald [11:31] /etc/rc.d/rc.hald start [11:33] ok this works [11:33] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:33] phrag: have tried the removepkg kde/ [11:33] ah maybe kde* [11:33] ok hal started but i cant still mount drives. here is the error pcmanfm gives http://pastebin.ca/1916442 [11:34] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] hello? [11:34] hmmm [11:36] is this thing on? [11:36] hellooooooo [11:36] cooeeee [11:36] Dominian, you are evil! Jim will take you out Emperor Mengsk!!! [11:37] kickack: maybe /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus start [11:38] hehe [11:38] allend, still doesn't budge :( [11:39] /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload .. and then make sure you are completely logged out of everything. [11:39] ok i'll reboot [11:39] brb [11:39] kickack (~kickback@122.161.88.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:40] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:40] For people's entertainment, scroll down a bit to rhisa.com, thanks to folks in #startups, I now have an genius way of getting work! [11:41] kickack (~kickback@122.161.88.226) joined ##slackware. [11:41] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) joined ##slackware. [11:41] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [11:42] kickack (~kickback@122.161.88.226) left irc: Client Quit [11:42] kickack (~kickback@122.161.88.226) joined ##slackware. [11:42] braqoon (~bdebski@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:43] still the same error :/ [11:43] rhisa.com safe for work? [11:43] phrag, 100% [11:43] hi, can some one advise which (32 or 64bit) version installed on home PC ? is there any advantage for home user on 64bit distro ? [11:44] braqoon, only use 64 if you have more than 3gb, imo. [11:44] to install* [11:44] Other than that stick to 32. [11:44] I haven't seen any reason to switch to 64 yet. [11:44] miss_riss, thanks [11:46] Risa, No LOLcats? [11:46] I was hoping for LoLcats [11:46] allend (~allend@CPE-121-220-2-205.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:48] Zordrak: ping [11:49] arfon, lolcats? D: [11:49] braqoon: If you machine is 64bit, you MAY have driver problems... Awhile back I put 32bit Slackware on my old 64bit laptop and the nVidia (official) driever didn't like it. [11:50] It's probably not an issue not but, just FYI [11:50] thanks [11:50] damn this hal thing is becoming a headache now :/ [11:50] i got running 64bit at work Workstation and Servers [11:50] HAL has the utmost enthusiam for your mission kickack [11:50] 64bit gives you double the registers. [11:50] but just want to upgrade at home to 13.1 [11:51] and at work no problems so far with hardware, etc. [11:51] braqoon: of course, you have to evaluate this decision not only in context of 32bit vs 64bit, but also from slackware perspective [11:51] Try it, if it doesn't work switch to the other braqoon [11:51] i dont want enthusiasm, i just want to mount a drive :/ [11:51] apart from HP ilo being shit and not working with java 64bit properly [11:51] personally, if hardware supports 64 bit, i use 64 bit linux these days. [11:52] can you mount it manually? [11:52] ok now i'm running my slackware with xfce4 runs greate haven't realized that evince has no dependencies which has to build [11:52] but this is hardly a home use issue :D [11:53] arfon: as root, yes [11:53] as root, i just click the device on pcmanfm and it mounts [11:53] braqoon: One other thing to consider, it's getting rarer but, some sources aren't made 64bit friendly. [11:53] but as user, this message http://pastebin.ca/1916442 [11:53] and having at home 13 64bit , not really makes a difference , so thinking about coming back to 32bit on 13.1 [11:54] kickack: Then why not cheat and just a fstab entry and tell HAL to f-off [11:54] and says "directory doesn't exist" when I click OK [11:54] arfon, sure but so far there was no problem for me. by home use i mean a day to day computing not hacking after work :D [11:55] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:55] but anyway, thanks for chat. [11:55] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [11:55] braqoon (~bdebski@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) left irc: Quit: bye bye [11:56] braqoon: NP :) [11:57] cr4ck (~cauank@189.73.239.140) joined ##slackware. [11:58] m3tti (~user@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:58] hobin (~hobin___@94.125.216.34) joined ##slackware. [11:59] ok i'll check now [12:00] kickack: If you use my fstab suggestion, make sure you set the USER(s) option [12:00] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [12:00] (Can't remember if it's 'user' or 'users') [12:00] arfon, so i should use USER instead of 'defaults'? [12:00] Ya, users lets anyone mount/unmout etc [12:01] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.147) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:01] user lets anyone mount, but only the mounter can unmount [12:01] users lets anyone unmount [12:02] it's 'user' [12:02] DID NOT know that EthanG , TY! [12:02] welcome! [12:03] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] YEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! [12:04] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [12:04] mission successful! [12:04] thanks arfon, ethang :D [12:05] welkom! [12:05] Action: phrag is inside your computer stealing all your kittenz [12:05] sweet my .xsession.erros had only 12.5 G [12:05] Action: miss_riss stabs prhag. [12:05] :P [12:05] is this bug? [12:06] no, just bloat :P [12:06] candinho: erm, it would suggest so [12:06] :P [12:06] i just delete that file, wont bother me anymore [12:06] anyway, i have /dev/hda, but i don't use the old ATA driver (i use libata). Any idea ? [12:07] YAY! I'm useful again! [12:07] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [12:07] feels good man [12:07] this is like the happies day of my life [12:08] i understand that udev give kernel the freedom to create its node now. But still, where does /dev/hda comes from ? [12:08] Any one know how to save server passwords in Alpine? [12:08] slackware makes me happy [12:09] phrag, me too. [12:09] anyone ? [12:10] anavel: IDE kernel module? [12:10] arfon: nope, disabled it. [12:10] Action: anavel uses libata [12:11] Wait, you have IDE support compiled as a module and not integrally part of the kernel? [12:12] errr.... i use libata, not the old ata driver... [12:12] my GF decribed me the other day as the "most user friendly linux distribution" [12:12] ..which made my day =P [12:12] miss_riss, do you happen to be the same girl who was having problems with your KDE wallpaper a few days ago? [12:12] Don't know then, that was my guess. [12:12] at #kde [12:12] corretico (~laguilar@190.241.113.34) joined ##slackware. [12:12] i don't think miss_riss is a girl :S [12:13] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:13] anyone names miss* on the internet usually isnt =P [12:13] phrag: You know she called you Ubuntu :( [12:13] oops :P [12:13] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-146-79.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:13] I'm very, very manly. [12:13] its okay with me even if shes a tranny [12:13] see ? [12:13] D: [12:13] arfon: well, i was describing ubuntu... i prefer her view =) [12:13] Action: miss_riss flexes large muscles. [12:14] XD [12:14] which muscles :S [12:14] kickack, yeah that was me, but it wasn't a problem, just didn't know the features. [12:14] tranny with muscles :S [12:14] :) Her heart was in the right place [12:14] miss_riss: would those be your thigh muscles *ducks* [12:14] and using slackware. deadly. [12:14] miss_riss, your wallpaper was moving around when you grab it :/ [12:14] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-57-5.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:14] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:14] kickack, yep. I found the solution but it's a quick hack, do you have a better one? [12:14] my name was lolwut then [12:15] Oh that was you? [12:15] nah, not much progress [12:15] How come you changed it? [12:15] yeah :) [12:15] ummm... /nick kickack :P [12:15] I mean why? [12:15] no particular reason... i always choose different nicks [12:16] you know, the new world order would be spying on me n shit :P [12:17] lol :3 [12:17] Nick change: miss_riss -> rizabawt [12:17] kickack: you can count rizabawt's muscles to protect you... [12:18] anavel, yeah, i always had a thing for chun-li from street fighter [12:19] cen___ (~cen@pool-96-246-3-39.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] lol [12:19] Action: rizabawt facepalms. [12:19] lol [12:19] Action: EthanG doesn't say he did too XD [12:19] who didnt =P [12:19] I think I like my job now. [12:19] Hi cen. [12:19] It would appear I am FULLY SANCTIONED TO DRINK AT WORK. [12:20] cen___: same.. it's beer friday [12:20] ... [12:20] I need a jawb. [12:20] mmm >.> [12:20] I can haz beer Fridae? [12:20] I need to win the lottery. [12:20] he change the nick because he is noob and dont wanna be recogneize, [12:20] Let's trade. [12:20] im noob and i dont care... [12:21] cen___, lottery huh. [12:21] Or NP vs P. [12:21] I need to be self-sufficient and not depend on a job for money. [12:21] Well I tried solving that. [12:21] If given a million dollars and total isolation I would be able to solve any problem. [12:22] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:22] That's not how it works. [12:22] only a million? [12:22] You got it reversed. [12:22] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:23] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-138-150.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [12:23] I can't work well when I'm expected to produce results. [12:23] Without expectations, without requirements I am fairly limitless. [12:23] fuck gambling/lottery.. mugs game [12:23] oh not the 'necessity is the mother of invention' tripe please. People invent when they have free time and resources to do so. necessity means being unable to afford risking waste, which is a situation which kills all invention hard [12:23] cen___: you're not the only one [12:24] Huh [12:24] I do not like having a budget. [12:24] I invent ways to procrastinate.... [12:24] I do not like having things. [12:24] I want to live in the woods. [12:24] Can I have your computer? [12:24] gtfo and burn your computer then [12:24] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [12:24] cen___: i think you need chuck norris. [12:24] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d0000d9.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:25] phrag, what did you need paste for btw? [12:25] arfon: alpine has to be built with '--with-passfile=.pine-passfile' and http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/pc/#passfile [12:25] TY chopp, I was wondering why my .pine-passfile didn't work.... [12:25] cen___, http://possumliving.net/ [12:25] My fear is if I won the lottery I would probably burn all of it (with actual fire). [12:26] nachox: sorry, just working atm [12:26] a cool place? [12:27] hobin (~hobin___@94.125.216.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:27] All I need now is a vaporizer at work and I'll be set.. [12:27] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [12:28] cen___, for weed? [12:28] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:28] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Weed, Salvia, lots of things. [12:28] I'm into the pyschedelic sort of category. [12:28] i smell hippy [12:28] Not hippy. Technomancer is more like it. [12:29] Technoslacker ? [12:29] Wouldn't techno-head be closer? [12:29] arfon: I guess that is true. [12:29] Be proud man! [12:29] My first real trip consisted of me trying to use a computer and getting stuck on theonion.com for like four hours [12:29] And reading about super police cars that can read your mind [12:30] With me believing every word. [12:30] cen___, dude, you dont need a vaporiser. just carry bhang to work and nobody will even know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhang [12:30] thats what i did anyway [12:30] Basically everybody knows I trip balls. [12:30] And do not care. [12:31] Even y our boss? [12:31] Yep. [12:31] Wow... [12:31] What do you do for work? [12:31] Medical Imaging. [12:31] ... Hm. [12:32] Wow [12:33] marienz_ (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [12:34] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-57-5.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:35] Mowah (1000@c-d788e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:35] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 619 seconds [12:35] My boss is actually subscribed to my YouTube. [12:35] Where I talk about how LSD causes massive hair growth. [12:35] What does your boss say about it? [12:35] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-180-92.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:36] Action: BP{k} yawns [12:36] what the fuck is there chatter about drugs [12:36] not drugs, just weed [12:37] Drugs are just a concept man. [12:37] jeev: same kind of stupid rambling that went on yesterday, same person. [12:37] They don't even exist. [12:37] talk about politics at least, not stupid shit [12:38] Let us not engage in conversation about human heritage, this that have been done for thousands of years up until about a hundred years ago! [12:38] nobody gives a shit about drugs [12:38] Because you're above the influence, man. [12:38] I'm proud of you; but there is an ironic twist of bad and sedated humour there. [12:38] perhaps you should try to convince yourself to start enjoying your life without drugs no matter what situation you're in [12:38] yay! trolls trolling trolls! [12:38] I don't do drugs -- I take entheogens. [12:39] YOU call them drugs. [12:39] my friend uncle did drugs on his youth. Now his mind literally cripple. [12:39] Did the wrong shit, man. [12:40] according to my friend, he did various and lots of things. [12:40] You've gotta be careful because you're just a hamster running through a maze of killer robots. [12:40] phrag: nachox: ping ^^ [12:40] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:40] seeing some real life evidence is enough for me. [12:40] :D [12:40] yea, we're hamsters but i aint stupid enough to take shit to alter anything [12:40] whats up? [12:40] We need to take back the slack that was taken from us. [12:41] nachox: apart from the multiday rant about drugs which really is not slackware related? [12:41] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:41] ah well, anyone play tennis here :) [12:41] Nick change: marienz_ -> marienz [12:41] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:41] Action: john_dee gets the popcorn [12:41] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.nycmny.east.verizon.net' by nachox!~imarambio@200.68.83.121 [12:41] cen___ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [12:41] cen___, you're in the wrong channel [12:41] go to ubuntuo [12:41] this is slackware, only politics by me is allowed [12:41] nachox: thank you. [12:41] 0_o [12:41] no problem [12:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:42] i am around if you guys need anything else, but working [12:42] i'd love some pizza. [12:42] lol [12:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:43] jeev: not for you. Sorry. [12:43] expect the b&hammer, jeev :P [12:43] BP{k}: pong [12:43] i dont expect anything other than intercourse [12:43] ah, nachox on the ball =) [12:43] off home, limited internet, catch you guys later.. have a great weekend =) [12:44] phrag: later :) [12:46] artvdroid (~androirc@213.sub-97-53-126.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [12:50] i like this guy http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ [12:52] artvdroid (~androirc@213.sub-97-53-126.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Well, guys, lunch time... bbl [13:01] arfon (~arfon@adsl-75-54-81-16.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:06] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:06] mashed (~hamanspam@cpc3-nmal14-0-0-cust629.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [13:06] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. 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[13:46] oh >.< [13:46] that's going to be launched from a menu [13:46] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-223-29.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] make a script, set the vars in a script, and get the menu to run the script? [13:47] :/ [13:47] was just wondering if there was a standard way of doing it [13:47] ok [13:47] artvdroid (~androirc@213.sub-97-53-126.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [13:48] considering it's hard enough to get the profile scripts sourced when you start X... >.< [13:49] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:52] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:52] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:52] hmm I wonder if echelon meant "/etc/profile.d/" instead of /etc/profile [13:57] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:23] hahaha [14:23] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:24] KaMii (~nebulae@unaffiliated/kamii) joined ##slackware. [14:25] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:26] arfon: fingers on the home row, not moving, press keys from left to right, delete semicolon. (with qwerty) [14:26] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:28] INSERT HOME 7 PAGE UP is what I get... [14:28] [looks around] [14:28] dude, you have the wierdest keyboard EVAR XD [14:29] Baudot FTW! [14:29] :D [14:32] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.147) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:32] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.150) joined ##slackware. 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[14:48] k [14:48] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [14:48] morse code? [14:48] .... . .-. . .----. ... .- -.-. --- --- -.- .. . [14:48] nom nom [14:49] but probably best not to spam morse in here ;) [14:49] -- ... .- -. -.- -.-- --- ..- [14:49] np [14:49] <-- WAS BORED AND FRUSTRATED [14:49] ##slackware-offtopic might be a better place ;) [14:49] Action: arfon hates caps lock too [14:50] wasn't there a capslock day [14:50] Do you know how hard it is to find an ASR33 for sale. :( [14:50] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Man, I messed up that reply BTW [14:52] arfon: [14:52] i got a new router!!!!! [14:52] KaMii: [14:52] linksys WRT54GL [14:52] YAY! Are all you troubles gone? [14:52] yesh [14:53] the guy at the store knows me and said he would upgrade me to the linksys because he knows im always having troubles with the dlink [14:53] flashed it with OpenWRT? [14:53] Action: arfon still didn't look into the Linksys firmware update [14:53] no I have not flashed it with dd-wrt [14:53] thought about it... but i know my bad luck [14:53] Seriously, did it solve your problems? [14:54] Or is you ISP still sux-ing? [14:54] Pfft "is you" [14:56] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:01] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:04] wertik_ (~wertik@95-24-194-145.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:08] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-184-35.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:09] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:09] wertik_ (~wertik@95-24-194-145.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:10] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-194-145.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:10] arfon: no it wasnt my isp it was my router [15:11] Well, congrats on fixing the problem... I assume your palm-pilot syncs now too.? :)) [15:13] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:14] Axelpalm (alch@78-28-93-104.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [15:16] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:17] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:17] Axius (~fd@92.82.72.117) joined ##slackware. [15:20] YuGiOhJCJ (~yugiohjcj@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-209-13.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] YuGiOhJCJ (~yugiohjcj@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-209-13.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:20] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-184-187.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:20] YuGiOhJCJ (~yugiohjcj@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-209-13.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-194-145.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: No route to host [15:21] hello where I can report bugs please? [15:21] you can ask about it here to begin with [15:22] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [15:22] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:23] wertik__ (~wertik@95-26-134-41.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:23] It is a bug I found in Slackware 13.1 packages imlib, aalib and audiofile [15:24] and it is... [15:24] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-184-187.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:25] YuGiOhJCJ: volkerdi@slackware.com if confirmed [15:25] the /usr/share/aclocal/*.m4 files should replace "AC_DEFUN(SOMETHING," line to "AC_DEFUN([SOMETHING]," to avoid a warning when we call "autoreconf --install" [15:25] Snakkah (~phil@99.175.75.190) joined ##slackware. [15:26] wertik_ (~wertik@93-80-192-213.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:26] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:26] ok so there is no bugzilla or others things like this for Slackware? [15:27] Hello. I'm curious, what is the best version of Slackware out there that uses GNOME? Since Slackware apparently dropped Gnome support, I've noticed a few DIFFERENT Gnome versions popping up. Which would you recommend? [15:28] wertik_rus (~wertik@93-80-192-23.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:29] wertik__ (~wertik@95-26-134-41.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:29] question... anyone have dovecot running on 13.1? [15:30] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Snakkah: GSB gnomeslackbuild.org [15:31] wertik__ (~wertik@95-26-103-238.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:31] wertik_ (~wertik@93-80-192-213.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:33] wertik_rus (~wertik@93-80-192-23.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:33] wertik__ (~wertik@95-26-103-238.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.197.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:34] wertik__ (~wertik@95-26-3-175.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:34] Snakkah: slackware 13.1 with GSB [15:34] Ah ok. [15:34] Thanks. [15:35] sinedrio_ (~sinedrio@bl5-207-129.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[16:30] Don' trun it [16:30] stupid [16:30] my boss just ran that on a production server [16:30] cause he is an idiot [16:30] I'm beginning to wonder [16:30] run it on a virtual machine and see what happens [16:30] :o [16:31] haha [16:32] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:34] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:34] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:35] I get :(){ :|:& };: Command not found... [16:35] :) [16:36] haha did you not translate the emoticons properly? :p [16:37] Yeah... it translates to :(( [16:37] : () [16:37] not : (( [16:37] :(()) [16:37] (I'm yanking your chain) [16:37] haha [16:37] dork [16:37] I know I am but what are you? [16:38] lol [16:38] wait... [16:38] its a good non destructive lesson for n00bs "always know what you are running before you do it" [16:38] If I followed that philosophy, I'd still be spelling with alphabet-blocks [16:39] this is a warning, paste that again and you get a ban [16:39] there are new users here who might try to run that [16:39] its not destructive by any means [16:40] cobra-the-joker (~cobra@62.135.86.30) joined ##slackware. [16:40] i know what it does and it would mean your machine will crawl slowly to death [16:40] Sure itis.. locks you up.. have to reboot [16:40] that's 'destructive' [16:40] i once ran a cmd fork bomb on an XP machine for kicks... and it did not fare well [16:40] destructive means its not recoverable, and you lose data& its a minor inconvenience for those who don't research [16:41] Sooo, you ran Norton Anti-virus trhodes ? [16:41] Hey guys ... what DE comes with slackware on default ? [16:41] what the hell is this drama [16:41] kde [16:41] nachox , KDE 4.x ? [16:41] i dont care about your definition of destructive [16:42] gniks: You still miss the point. [16:42] nachox: are you the creator of this channel [16:42] nope [16:42] no i get the point& you however miss the point of a lesson as well [16:42] Action: ananke recommends a non-destructive lesson for n00bs: ban gniks [16:43] nachox: why are you op? [16:43] cause i pissed him off and he wants to ban me [16:43] :o [16:43] You didn't piss me off. You're being an idiot. [16:43] other ops thought i was a fair person for this job [16:43] plain and simple. [16:44] off-topic [16:44] what version of KDE comes with slackware ^_^" [16:44] i think it's only fair to follow the lesson mantra: if gniks thinks this was a 'lesson', he should also be taught one [16:44] yes, 4.x cobra-the-joker [16:44] ananke: +1 [16:44] 4.4.3, cobra-the-joker [16:44] (with 13.1) [16:44] :D ...ok [16:44] do most people use slackware for home use, or would you use slackware to host a busy website ? [16:44] he will if he continues with this nonsense [16:45] it will host a busy website fine dustybin [16:45] the only thing im worried about is security [16:45] im not continuing with any nonsense& [16:45] is slackware as good as any other distro when it comes to security [16:45] updates [16:45] dustybin: yes, as long as you keep up with the patches [16:45] ace [16:45] dustybin: slackware is as secure as its admin makes it [16:45] security depends on the root, cho! [16:46] gniks: admins dont make security updates? [16:46] who are the slackware security team? [16:46] well, if you chmod 777 your doc root [16:46] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [16:46] then thats a problem and is not secure [16:46] that old tired argument of security being limited to the admin [16:46] its not limited completely on the admin, however, the admin has a lot of power to make something secure or not [16:47] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:47] is there a slackware guy sitting 24.7 at his desk on the look out for new updates etc ? [16:47] I simply setuid+chown root everything and I don't care about security anymore /o\ [16:47] and you people say im being an idiot [16:47] dustybin: there's only one person: slackware's maintainer [16:47] pat? [16:47] dustybin: correct [16:47] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:a16:9c30:cbcc:cc38:7708) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:47] dustybin: actually Patrick meditates all day long and he gets a vision when a security alert is about to be raised [16:47] so pat is in charge of patches / security updates etc? [16:48] heh [16:48] dustybin: yes. along with the rest of the slackware. [16:48] ace :D [16:48] Action: dustybin feels secure [16:48] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] but how one man could handle all this ? [16:48] that's the first step to get compromised :-) [16:49] that means if everything goes wrong, we can blame pat? :D [16:49] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:49] lol [16:49] dustybin: of course, there are two sides to any issue. while having a knowledgable person, like pat, doing those is a good thing. at the same time, those updates are limited by his availability [16:49] yup, good luck on that though :P [16:49] cobra-the-joker: well, take a look at the advisories, there aren't that many [16:49] is slackware the only distro out there maintained by 1 person? [16:50] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:a16:9c30:cbcc:cc38:7708) joined ##slackware. [16:50] you could make your own and maintain it :) [16:50] I was actually reading http://pwnies.com/ [16:50] dustybin: there are probably a few others, but not as well known as slackware [16:50] Slax [16:50] how many people maintain debian? [16:50] more specifically : http://pwnies.com/nominations/ , list of failures in the field of security [16:50] dustybin: ask in #debian. a lot. [16:50] SMS [16:50] a thousand [16:50] heh [16:50] tekzilla (~jon@d130093.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:50] a thousand? [16:50] jeeeeeze [16:51] iirc, from 500 to 1000 debian developpers, their number vary [16:51] (There's alot of small distros) [16:51] so whats the point in having 1000 people doing it if 1 person can do it? [16:51] They like to vote [16:51] sounds messy having too many people [16:51] tekzilla (~jon@d166218.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:51] debian != slackware [16:52] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:52] the kernel is controlled by linus torvalds, slackware is controlled by pat [16:52] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:52] perfect :D [16:52] less apps and each developper doing more work [16:52] and making a debian package isn't that easy [16:52] dustybin: uhmm, take note of how many packages debian has, then compare it to slackware. then try to make the argument that one person can do it [16:52] not about ease, more about simplicity/complexity [16:52] aye ok [16:53] they could have less people but not that many less [16:53] i think slackbuilds are much nicer to deal with [16:53] you're comparing a mom&shop store to a national chain store [16:53] slackbuilds are easier to deal with, because you have to take care of only a few things, unlike most package systems [16:53] yep [16:53] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] debian has a lot of self-inflicted pain though ;-) [16:54] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] i read somewhere that redhat has contributed the most amount of code to the kernel and gnome [16:54] they also write manpages and do things that a small distro can't [16:54] dustybin: that's true [16:55] dustybin: also, one key difference between slackware and those big distros: those big distros provide maintenance patches. slackware does only security uodates. [16:55] s/uodates/updates [16:55] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [16:55] redhat is corporate and has employees, that's why [16:55] what does maintenance mean? [16:55] once you take that into account, the amount of work grows like crazy [16:55] ok [16:55] dustybin: bug fixes. [16:55] right i see [16:56] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.150) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:56] what about gentoo? that is a strange one [16:57] what about it? [16:57] gentoo uses a bsd package system? [16:57] a slackbuild is easy enough that I don't mind patching and making a new package myself, but I don't have thousands of computer to administer (would there be any difference?) and I can program [16:57] there is no such thing as 'bsd package system' [16:57] ok [16:57] adrien: yes, there would be a huge difference. [16:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:58] if you have 1000 slackware boxes and 1000 centos boxes, what would be easier to administer ? [16:58] adrien: that's why you won't find slackware deployed on a large scale anywhere [16:58] dustybin: centos. by far. [16:58] ok [16:59] ananke: ah, that's not what I meant: I wasn't referring to how packages are distributed but the impact of making a package yourself instead of using distributed ones [16:59] s/distributed/distro-distributed/ [17:00] i wonder how many things are similar to the file hierachy of slackware and centos [17:00] is centos pretty vanilla [17:00] no [17:00] adrien: i'm not sure what you're talking about [17:00] I'd say one slackware box is easier to administer than one centos though :P [17:00] raela: that's subjective and relative to the level of experience and familiarity [17:00] how about gentoo and slackware, are the layouts quite similar? [17:01] ananke: well yeah.. and we all know how crazy I am [17:01] dustybin: depends on your definition of similarity. large number of files are very similar, then som earen't [17:01] dustybin: what do you mean by "layout" [17:01] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:01] dustybin: of course, there' LFS [17:01] file hierachy [17:01] haha i tried LFS once [17:02] that was a mission [17:02] schenkel (~schenkel@187.5.224.253) joined ##slackware. [17:02] dustybin: sorry, got my acronyms mixed up. i meant LSB [17:02] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-194.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] ananke: as long as you have a good way to distribute the package, it's not harder to use your own packages [17:04] guys, i have a repository in my pc, are any why i can make a 32/64bits dual-side dvd, like the same selled in store.slackware.com? [17:04] i like the way i can edit a slackbuild, choose what version of source code i want to use , etc very nice [17:04] i like the slackware package creation [17:04] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC660.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [17:04] nophis__ (~nophis@187.102.98.113) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:05] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:05] adrien: it is harder if you have to worry about dependencies [17:05] ananke: true true [17:05] if you install every single slackware package, you dont need to hardly worry about deps :D [17:05] (sold*) sorry my bad english [17:05] dustybin: you have to worry about dependencies if you have 1000 machines, and each one may be slightly different [17:05] yes true [17:06] chomping (~chomping@unaffiliated/chomping) joined ##slackware. [17:06] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-76-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:07] ananke: for a security patch, not so much [17:07] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.13.226) joined ##slackware. [17:07] frankly, i'd rather be doing rpms these days than anything else. with enough work, they can be used for multiple distros [17:07] I wanted to use a perl script, it depended on 5 CPAN packages not included in 13.1 & one of them wouldn't build >.< [17:07] adrien: same principles apply, be it security patch or not [17:08] security changes don't add/impact deps [17:08] nophis__ (~nophis@187.102.98.140) joined ##slackware. [17:08] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [17:08] adrien: you keep forgetting about the criteria you set: 1000 machines [17:09] now, if you have a way of assuring that each one will be identical and using only what slackware provided, then sure. chances are, some of them would be off. [17:10] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-8-242.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:10] something like 20 or 30% of security deps are buffer overflows, for that, no matter the machine, deps do nothing [17:10] Does anyone know how make a slackware dvd with both 32 and 64bits? [17:10] schenkel: dual-boot DVDs [17:10] yeah, [17:10] argh, my network connection is fumbling [17:11] must be a logger infestation [17:11] [looks at trhodes ] [17:11] googling for 'multiboot dvd' leads to http://flyakite.msfn.org/ (first result), good but old, will get the idea however [17:11] adrien: deps matter when you have a large number of machines, and some of them may be off. 'machine x123 needed newer php, so one was installed' now push your older php update across all 1000 [17:12] kk, ty adrien, i will check [17:12] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-115-220.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:18] http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-0840 -> "Unspecified vulnerability in the Java Runtime Environment component in Oracle Java SE and Java for Business 6 Update 18, 5.0 Update 23, and 1.4.2_25 allows remote attackers to affect confidentiality, integrity, and availability via unknown vectors." [17:18] that's a nice description... [17:19] unknowably nice [17:19] arfon: hehe, no the palmpilot does not sync [17:19] qemu rocks - for having used both, it's much more flexible than xen :) [17:20] (qemu-kvm, that is) [17:20] WOW KaMii, That's some lag you got there. Are you sure it's not your ISP? [17:20] xen predates qemu-kvm and I think it has more features [17:20] no, I was on the phone [17:20] adrien: 'more features' ? gotta tell me which :P [17:20] a 5 hour phone call? [17:21] but yeah, it's older. not in the kernel either, which is a real downside imo [17:21] admin-side ones [17:21] it wasnt 5 hours [17:21] only 4 and a half [17:21] Sorry, I stand corrected [17:21] hehe [17:21] :P [17:21] something got merged in the kernel quite recently and there has to be less patching now, but I think it still requires some [17:21] adrien: yeah, as I said, tell me which :P [17:21] Nice tongue... Catch many flies? [17:21] virtio stuff is not xen-specific [17:22] stil need all the patchs it used to [17:22] So my list is Linode and EC2... that's it? [17:22] do you guys use your own set of terminal colours? [17:22] Action: Asmadeus shrugs and poofs [17:23] I do dusty.... Black and white [17:23] half (most?) of which are on http://et.redhat.com/page/Main_Page which is as its title implies... "emerging" and quite recent [17:23] LOL [17:23] it's catching up but xen has more [17:23] i like either blue on grey or tan [17:24] im fiddling with .Xresources [17:24] Mine looks like a DOS prompt, complete with a D:> [17:24] what do all the .x files do [17:24] .xinitrc bypasses what xorg loads [17:25] what does .Xauthority do? [17:25] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:25] adrien: be more specific. i think most of these are compatible with both kvm and xen [17:26] in the kernel: CONFIG_XEN (Paravirtualized guest support), CONFIG_XEN_PVHVM, CONFIG_XEN_MAX_DOMAIN_MEMORY (Paravirtualized guest support -> Xen guest support), CONFIG_XEN_COMPAT_XENFS (Xen driver support -> Xen filesystem) [17:26] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Asmadeus: inspecting virtual machines: kvm is getting everything but it's much more recent [17:28] like, when I look at that a few months ago... [17:28] some stuff are about a month old yeah :p [17:28] qemu-kvm is flippin quick [17:28] well, not so sure abotu the display being quick [17:28] the display stilll sucks yeah, but who needs a display anyway [17:28] arfon: wow is still broken, I got it to work once, now I keep getting that same kernel error, but my kernel is patched [17:28] What I want is network vhost drivers working soon \o/ [17:29] TTYs FTW [17:29] KaMii: maybe a reinstall? [17:29] and, well, kvm support in qemu isn't that old either [17:29] why is everything always breaking for me? [17:29] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [17:29] reinstall wow???? that takes 4 hours [17:29] I still want it going on my box [17:30] plus it was pretty hard to follow until they removed kqemu [17:30] it was working fine, then I lost that hdd [17:30] 4 hour then play > no play [17:30] You did get your data off that drive right? [17:30] nope [17:30] Testdrive was a dud? [17:31] lost all my sims 3 remember? [17:31] my arfon sims 3 character got deleted [17:31] Action: dustybin wonders if anybody here uses a green screen monitor [17:31] Like I said before, I have NEVER recovered dta from a corrupted ext fs... [17:31] dustybin, dot matrix hardcopy [17:31] heh [17:31] :P [17:31] I heard he was a loser anyway KaMii [17:32] You can remake him... even better [17:32] now why did wow work once, but never again? [17:32] Why did your palm sync once and never again? [17:32] I see a pattern [17:33] computers hate me? [17:33] I don't know..... [17:33] jech (user@184-96-187-6.hlrn.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [17:33] maybe [17:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:33] my lord [17:33] what have i found here [17:33] http://www.xorz.nl/order.html [17:34] Note: ALL servers have at least a FULL 2400 BAUD connection! [17:34] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:35] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-115-220.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:35] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [17:35] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [17:36] hahahaha sweet [17:36] alislack (~chatzilla@203-211-66-251.ue.woosh.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:36] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:37] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-145-73.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:38] schenkel (~schenkel@187.5.224.253) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:40] arfon: as requested, you are being reincarnated [17:41] hope you like being a middle aged man living his moms basement [17:41] does slackware come with a nice simple image viewer? [17:41] what last name should I give arfon? [17:42] dustybin: xv works... [17:42] don't know if you'd call the panel that appears on right-click simple [17:43] thanks [17:43] cobra-the-joker (~cobra@62.135.86.30) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:44] xv is nice :D [17:44] adrenaline (~repsol@ip70-171-220-6.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] Middle aged man living in mom's basement? Have you been spting on me? [17:44] spying even [17:45] Make sure he as a good comicbook collection [17:45] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:45] ok ^^ [17:45] Good last name- Isawesome [17:46] (I also go by FreakinRoolz) [17:46] adrenaline (~repsol@ip70-171-220-6.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [17:46] adrenaline (~repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) joined ##slackware. [17:48] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-167-8.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:50] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:00] No KaMii is evil.... named poor Arfon Arfon Ubuntu [18:00] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.13.226) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [18:01] should have been a comma in there... poor Arfon, Arfon Ubuntu [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [18:05] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [18:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[18:18] adaptr: huh they both claim to do that in each own way :P [18:19] ok , what the etc shortage stands fort ? [18:19] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] ok , what the etc shortage stands for ? etcetera ? huh not good name for that directory [18:19] paul424: no, they don't. [18:20] inet1 handles actual network interfaces. inet2 handles network *services* [18:20] inet1 has to run before 2 [18:20] and it is [18:20] uhh aha [18:20] adaptr: what does the etc stands for ? [18:20] arfon (~arfon@adsl-75-54-81-16.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:20] so they certainly don't "claim" any such thing. you need to read moar better. [18:21] it stands for etc [18:21] and rc ? [18:21] none of the current standard unix dirs are named well [18:21] my IT english is shitty, network service is everything for me having to do with network [18:21] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:21] /usr used to be the dir for users homes [18:22] EthanG: so its for historical reasons, right ? [18:22] paul424: something like that [18:24] habaneros (~habaneros@23.252.102.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:24] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d0000d9.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] ok, how to trace the DNS quering ? [18:25] while doing a query ? [18:26] ok how the process of getting url into ip address with DNS is named ? [18:27] I suggest you do your homework in a more appropriate place, or read some good resources about networking perhaps [18:27] uhh sorry I read why , not while ... [18:27] yes while ... [18:27] and no , I don;t do the homework now :) [18:29] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [18:29] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:29] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-73-24-226.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:30] looks like I have lost the limit of not-smart quesions today ... [18:30] Action: paul424 flips a coin [18:30] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Action: paul424 pushes start [18:30] paul424: restarting your inet services you do '/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart' Or if you'd rather only restart one eth device you can change restart to 'restart_eth0' [18:32] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:33] So, I just downgraded to 2.6.29.6... I was curious if there was any reason why my video drivers are insanely slow now. [18:33] should I recompile them? [18:33] agentc0re: ok thanks [18:33] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:34] rizabawt (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rizabawt [18:34] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625222733] [18:35] it's too bad I got a page fault with 2.6.25 lol [18:35] er [18:35] not 25 [18:35] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [18:35] 35* [18:35] Hey gniks [18:36] hello [18:37] crunchpotato (~cold@193-126-149-49.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:37] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [18:37] how are you fatalnix_? [18:38] Not bad, just found this crazy problem with the radeon OSS driver [18:38] well [18:38] it's not the drivers fault [18:38] w00t [18:38] yeah, i really dislike ATI [18:39] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.12.42) joined ##slackware. [18:39] I downgraded to 2.6.29.6 to fix that WoW/ Wine problem, because 2.6.35 page faults and I can't find out why (no place to dump that I know of) and my video drivers go from 1000 to 100 fgs with GLXgears and WoW won't even load. [18:39] well it loads just not.. pretty. [18:39] :) [18:40] Meh, I dislike ATI and nVidia [18:41] But back in the old days, if you couldn't afford a voodoo5 then you had a diamond often, which was an amazing card [18:41] it would play thief 2 flawlessly [18:41] yeah [18:41] and Duke nukem 3D [18:41] :D [18:42] in the "old days" ? voodoo 5 is so new I never had one. I had a TNT2 then. [18:42] yeah [18:42] diamonds were rad when the voodoo 2 dualcard was hot [18:42] voodoo5 had SLI [18:42] after that, they sucked [18:42] no, voodoo *2* had that. [18:42] they did? [18:42] wow [18:42] voodoo 5, pretty much useless when compared to geforce [18:42] you should see the motherboard I want [18:43] http://www.directron.com/z8nad6c.html [18:43] I can buy it if I save [18:43] but I neede 600 bucks for the processors [18:43] it would make an awesome workstation [18:43] cheap for what it can doo as well [18:47] hmm [18:48] I don't know, I might just have to downgrade to 12.2 like I wanted to a while ago [18:48] unless it's something really obvious, I was thinking recompile the video drivers but that shouldn't do anything [18:48] radeonHD might work better [18:49] 600 bucks for the cpu? [18:49] 600 bucks for two of them [18:49] that's a dual socket [18:49] xeon 5500's [18:49] unohu62 (~unohu62@bas22-toronto12-2925003547.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:49] ah, two, ok [18:50] fatalnix_: I still play duke nukem 3d (eduke32 ;-) ) [18:50] but the motherboard is atx and it has a pxi x16 and a serial pport (YAY - cause I need them) and holds up to 48 GB of ram [18:50] lol [18:51] 2.6.29.6 was 13.0 right? [18:51] iirc, yes [18:51] alright [18:51] I will try compiling radeonHD [18:51] hello, I have an older laptop with only a cdrom drive in order to install slackware can I get a functional desktop downloading the first 2 cds in the set? [18:52] I remmeber one trouble with wine because of something in the kernel but there was a patch to the kernel iirc [18:52] well World of Warcraft won't log on because of it. Free servers work, live doesn't [18:52] it's f***ed up [18:52] with 33 [18:53] they fixed it in 35 bit git 35 from linus's tree page faults [18:53] but* [18:54] page faults? [18:55] segfaults or something else? [18:56] page faults. I probably wouldn't see page_fault all over the messages [18:56] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.12.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:57] but I'm not sure why, or what's causing it [18:57] no way to really dump it and theres no scroll buffer, and this laptop doesn't have a serial port [18:57] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7B078.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:57] which sucks because thinkpads are supposed to be business laptops and all business laptops should have a serial port :) [18:57] the kernel dies? [18:58] serial connection is so 20th century [18:58] unohu62 (~unohu62@bas22-toronto12-2925003547.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:58] yeah, I fixed the root mount with an initrd and just around there it just starts scrolling the fault information [18:58] network is up? [18:59] serial is perfectly fine, it is standardized, unlike NIC's [18:59] fatalnix_: netconsole works perfectly [18:59] I've even used it over the internet [18:59] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:00] serial is better in the fact that it is standardly initialized sooner [19:00] and I even used it to debug a problem in my NIC [19:00] and you can get lots of output you wouldn't normally see from VGA output once the PPU warms up [19:01] was pretty funny to see as much as possible written, basically the kernel would send the "NIC has failed" message through the nic and the internet [19:01] whereas I would require to somehow load the NIC driver as early as possible in kernel initialization [19:01] lol [19:01] if network is up, it's definitely worth a try ;-) [19:01] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.239.52) joined ##slackware. [19:01] it never gets that far [19:01] fatalnix_: you can load the nic drivers in an initrd, and be fine [19:02] you're using 2.6.35? (exactly this version?) [19:02] Like I said, it just mounts root and then starts to go down from there. [19:02] yeah, but from the git tree, so what I might do is I might look at the git logs and reqind to 2.6.35.1 [19:02] rewind [19:02] * [19:02] dinner. [19:03] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:03] any more specific error message? [19:03] it's too fast to notice [19:03] that's why I wish I had a serial port [19:03] it outputs "page_fault", exactly, with the underscore? [19:04] yeah [19:04] once it spits out a bazillion messages at lightning speed so I can't read them [19:05] enable local kernel dumps [19:05] terry_ (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [19:05] http://lkcd.sourceforge.net/ [19:07] no: kdump [19:07] lkcd is deprecated [19:07] Getting error "libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libstdc++.la' or unhandled argument `/usr/lib/libstdc++.la'" when trying to configure imagination-2.1.tar.gz [19:07] well, you have that file? [19:08] oh :p, ive never actually needed to do such things& i just did a quick google seach [19:08] google fails in that search [19:09] yeah, unfortunately, once things are merged in the kernel and don't get an "official" and separate webpage they get less publicity [19:09] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@cm67.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:09] gniks: run: grep -r libstdc++.la /var/log/packages/ [19:10] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@cm67.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [19:11] file doesn't exist [19:14] solution: use slackware? [19:15] errrr, mixes nicknames [19:15] cat /etc/*versi* [19:15] I need sleep [19:16] gniks, cat /etc/*versi* [19:16] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:16] im slackware64-13.1 [19:16] I fail... [19:16] terry_: grep -r libstdc++.la /var/log/packages/ [19:16] not gniks >< [19:17] they have the same color nicks for me :P [19:17] lol [19:17] trhodes, same here, both green. [19:18] different here.. terry_ is brown [19:20] with only 16 colours available on my screen, most people are the same colour -_- [19:21] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:22] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) joined ##slackware. [19:22] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] what happened to slackware-live project? [19:26] the scripts disappeared [19:28] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:31] risah (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [19:38] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:39] adrenaline (~repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:41] D1ver (~chatzilla@ppp121-44-188-32.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:46] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:49] Back [19:50] gniks: I can't be certain it's successfully mounting / in the first place, but lol I know. [19:51] if the kernel isn't initializing then its not [19:51] well, I know it gets as far as mounting [19:52] holy shit [19:52] so the kernel is loading and handing off to init [19:52] within the past hours stable has chanegd from 35.1 to 35.2 [19:52] ^^ [19:53] and yeah [19:53] :p [19:55] 8 minutes left my butt [19:55] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:55] got my bill in the mail for school [19:55] I already looked at it anyways [19:55] it's 1500 something, cheap [19:55] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [19:55] haha that is cheap [19:56] school is free in Sweden [19:56] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] it is? [19:57] no tuition? [19:57] yes [19:57] no tuition [19:57] cool. [19:57] but you have to be swedish [19:57] so, they got any good engineering schools? [19:57] no idea, but you have to be swedish, if your not, then you have to pay [19:57] and well, school is in Swedish, so you need to know the language [19:58] ah I see [19:58] so, you just have to get accepted and go to school [19:58] ya, you even get money to go to school [19:58] but i think you have to pay it back, idk, im not old enough for university [19:59] ic. [19:59] sounds like a loan :p [19:59] crunchpotato (~cold@193-126-149-49.net.novis.pt) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:59] roccity_ (~fataltech@202-154-137-85.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:59] yeah I'm not big on loans [19:59] I'm paying up front [19:59] but i think you have until you are 50 years old to pay it back or something [19:59] well, my mother is [19:59] and step father [19:59] here you have I think 6 months or so [20:00] to start paying [20:00] blah, i got a new router and now i cant dcc with my bot [20:00] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.239.52) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:00] but I think I can dcc with people [20:00] I'd like to go to school in like, england [20:00] here you have years and year, you get 6mo after you drop below half time to start paying [20:00] great brittain, maybe even wales :) [20:00] learn welsh [20:01] KaMii: you should not use residential routers [20:01] huh? [20:01] get a low cost via system and put M0n0wall on it [20:01] i have my own [20:01] monowall is old and crappy [20:01] no it's not [20:02] that's like saying Slackware is old and crappy [20:02] haha [20:02] slackware is old, but up with the times [20:02] monowall isn't that great [20:02] m0n0wal is pretty recent [20:02] i just love how everyone has a differnt expert opinion and no two are alike [20:02] I use it myself [20:02] works amazing for ipsec and all [20:02] WINDOWS ME IS THE BEST FIREWALL! [20:02] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [20:02] everyone has an opinion yes [20:02] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:03] well i have a linksys WRT54GL and ya dont like it, feel free to buy me somthing better [20:03] hi [20:03] does slackware 13 64bit work fine? [20:03] WRT54? put Linux on that KaMii [20:03] yeah 64bit is fine [20:03] I think you can on the WRT54's [20:03] fatalnix_: it came with linux on it [20:03] I see. [20:03] then take it off and put it on yourself [20:03] put windows me on it [20:03] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [20:03] fatalnix_: quit trolling me [20:04] Action: fatalnix_ sighs [20:04] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Hey now, I'm not trolling, I'm just kidding. [20:04] :P [20:04] I don't troll, that's for Trollz man. [20:04] noobquestion: is 64bit good for this proc? Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz [20:04] why is being negative the new cool? [20:04] meh. [20:05] Neuromancer_: how much ram do you have? [20:05] 2gb [20:05] windows me is an amazing firewall is a good quote, honestly. [20:05] Neuromancer_: then no use 32 bit [20:05] ok thanks [20:05] Action: KaMii does not own anything micr$oft [20:05] I don't think it matters what you have for RAM for 32 / 64 bit [20:05] the N64 was 64 bit. [20:06] it didn't have 2 GB of ram. [20:06] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:06] your not going to get any benefit from 64 bit if you have less than 4 gigs of ram [20:06] there is more to consider than RAM [20:06] lies KaMii [20:06] not true at all! [20:06] instead he will be in here asking later on why his 32 bit programs dont work [20:06] gniks: thats what I was told in here [20:06] by more than one person [20:06] 64 bit means new extended extended accumulator regiars [20:06] :D [20:06] registers* [20:06] there are performance benefits to running 64bit [20:07] not in every case however, but in MANY [20:07] i was told if I have less that 4 gigs of ram 64 bit is pointless [20:07] and I would never notice a difference [20:07] not entirely [20:07] depends on what you are doing [20:07] which is kind of funny gnicks, because when you think of it, you'd think unless you were doing arbitraruily massive numbered calculations, it wouldn't be any improvement [20:07] see what I mean... everyone is an expert... but then they are not [20:07] but it is [20:08] you may not personally notice one, but if you run time you definitely will [20:08] also, on x86-64 sse2 (or is it sse3) is mandatory [20:08] kamii, i work in the linux enterprise world every day with firewalls, and linux in 32 and 64bit forms in high performance computing clusters [20:08] i think i know a bit about linux performance on 64bit machines [20:08] so the compiler automatically emits those instructions as appropriate.. where on 32bit the programmers create special support for it (if you have it, and is luckey) [20:09] then gniks you can help me with this dcc issue... I set irssi to a specific port range for dcc, I then port forwared those ports on my router, but no one is able to dcc with me [20:09] what did I miss? [20:09] I reallt like PowerPC because it has the ability to switch between 32 and 64 bit natively on demand. [20:09] really* [20:09] kamii, there could be a bunch of issues there [20:10] but it has poor performance per watt rates. [20:10] your ISP could be blocking teh ports, or your software could not be listening, or you coudl have setup port forwarding wrong [20:10] dcc was working, then I changed routers [20:10] hmm. I suggest setting up your port forwarding then. [20:10] what port does dcc run on? [20:10] its simple, its because your firewall isn't masquerading the dcc packets correctly [20:10] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:11] 1024 usually [20:11] but i did, i put the port numbers in, and told it to forward them on the ip this computer is using [20:11] ah [20:11] and the dcc has your internal ip as the address rather then your external ip [20:11] the router is supposed to masq that inside the packet [20:11] and how do I turn that on? [20:12] technically its already on if you are using PAT and passing traffic successfully [20:12] i think in the kernel options theres an mod_irc or similar you can use [20:12] in the router? [20:13] i don't know if your router supports it, but dd-wrt or tomato should [20:13] the .config that comes with the source package is set up for the generic slackware smp kernel right? [20:13] or is it left alone [20:13] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [20:14] think i figured it out [20:14] port forwarding was not enabled [20:14] fatalnix_: i *think* so [20:14] fatalnix_: but you can just copy the configs from /boot/ [20:14] to make sure [20:15] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:15] hrm... nope still nothing [20:16] sinedrio_ (~sinedrio@bl5-207-129.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:17] hmm [20:17] KaMii: make sure you don't have the inside/outside reversed either [20:18] I really have no idea what im doing [20:18] but its not working [20:18] maybe try reading the manual for your router? [20:18] at least I know the router is doing its job and blocking things [20:18] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:18] thats actually a firewall function [20:19] i did, the manual is very much non-informational [20:19] ah, try generically researching PAT and port forwarding [20:19] my step father was complaining because I wouldn't take care of a yellow jacket nest even with a bee suit. [20:19] might shed some light [20:19] he doesn't understand I've never done it before, now that I've seen him do it I'd do it [20:19] yellow jackets are mean& i wouldn't either [20:19] well if one of them finds a way in they'll communicate and tell the others how [20:20] so now you have 1000 bees in your suit [20:20] + [20:20] yeah, bees are smart [20:20] I mean, I was more confident [20:20] talking about which.. there is a story on slashdot right now about ant colony theory applied to scheduling and routing problems [20:20] until I looked up how to remove them and saw they all said don't do it this time of year, etc and many articles of "man dies" from yellow jacket nest [20:21] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-145-73.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:21] lol? [20:21] fatalnix_: chemical bombs [20:21] nah [20:21] he just did it with RAID [20:21] cr4ck (~cauank@189.73.239.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:21] the little fuckers will die from chloric acid + zink too ;-) [20:21] I say put raid in the pressure washer. :) [20:22] gotta be careful though, they some times will chase you [20:23] take a bottle, fill it halfway with chloric acid, take a deep breath, throw in a handfull of zink pieces, throw bottom first somewhere closeish under the nest [20:23] walk away.. or run like hell if the wind is in your direction [20:23] haha, thats quite a dangerous thing to do [20:26] ok i have no idea what to do.... [20:26] my last router, getting dcc to work was easy [20:27] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:27] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:29] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-73-24-226.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] ok, i got my friend to send me a dcc request and I got it, but irssi did not open up a new window [20:30] so, is irssi just being dumb? [20:30] did you 'accept' the dcc request? [20:31] i couldnt [20:31] i dont know how [20:31] it just put the dcc request in window 1 and I thought it would open up a new window like a pvt chat [20:32] now it says: cant conenct to 'ip.address' 'port.number' [20:32] was this a dcc chat or file transfer? [20:33] ooh! [20:33] infiniband! [20:33] chat i think [20:33] yes, it was a chat [20:33] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] to accept the chat, its /dcc chat [20:34] thats to initiate one [20:34] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@cm67.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:34] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:34] "Sends a chat connection request to remote client or ACCEPTS a chat connection" according to /dcc help [20:35] well, nevermind.. turns out the guy I was testing with, he just found out his dcc isnt working either [20:36] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.180.59) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:36] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-114-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [20:36] we can both see dcc requests, but unable to get it to work [20:38] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.243.110) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Nick change: hackeron_ -> hackeron [20:39] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Changing host [20:39] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) joined ##slackware. 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[21:41] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Quit: "And I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man she is to keep silent" - 1 Timothy 2:12 [21:42] Is there a pdf reader that can handle embedded javascript that can works on 64-bit linux and doesn't require compat libs to be installed, which make it impossible to ever update my system with slackpkg ever again? [21:43] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.3) joined ##slackware. [21:45] unohu62 (~unohu62@bas22-toronto12-2925003547.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:45] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:46] hello, if I use the first 2 cd discs to install slackware will it give me a fully functional desktop? [21:46] garme (~garme@187.79.78.11) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:46] unohu62: you want kde or xfce ? [21:47] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [21:47] xfce [21:47] unohu62: okay you just get the first cd iso and later install the rest with slackpkg [21:47] isn't all the X stuff on disc 2? [21:48] unohu62: basically after installing slackware with the first cd , slackpkg install x and xap < --- to get xfce [21:48] unohu62: dunno check on the site [21:50] I'm looking at it now deco. The reason I ask is that I have an old p3 laptop and only a cdrom drive and I want Xorg and all. Just wondering if I dl'ed these 2 discs wether I'd be up and running [21:51] risah (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: risah [21:52] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.12.236.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:52] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488F7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] unohu62: yup [21:53] hi macavity [21:54] geeze... slackware is mulitple CD's now? [21:54] unohu62: disk 3 is kde, kde-i18n and extra [21:54] MarkT-: obviously [21:54] I remember when the thing came on, like, maybe a dozen floppies. [21:54] MarkT-: what is considered a fully functional system changes gradually :P [21:54] have a p3 800m 256 ram need to go the xfce route [21:55] unohu62: CD1 and 2 should cover your needs [21:55] hey deco :-) [21:55] thx macavity and deco [21:55] unohu62: np [21:56] goj (~goj@p5488F467.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:56] macavity: finally built my pc :P [21:57] like 7 months ago [21:57] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.12.236.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:57] does it fit on a single DVD at least? [21:58] Or has it outpaced even that? [21:58] i'll give it a whirl. I have slackware 13 on a dvd. Is there a way of extracting only what I need out of that to fit on a cd? [21:58] MarkT-: just one dvd [21:58] yeah out of Linux Format mag [21:58] unohu62: mount it, like mount -o loop slackware.iso /mnt [21:58] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:58] unohu62: and then cp stuff from it and make your own iso [21:59] I only have a cdrom in this machine [22:00] deco: lol.. have i been absent that long? [22:00] unohu62: well it's dvd .... [22:00] a CDRom is a big addition [22:00] macavity: oh lol don't know i just started visiting here again a couple day ago [22:00] you mean you have no hard disk or anything? [22:01] deco: lol, likewise :-) [22:01] Oh, so you want to make a liveCD I think. [22:01] macavity: haha :D [22:01] though a bit complex, you CAN, make a liveCD. [22:01] or liveDVD [22:01] fatalnix_: i think he just wants a working desktop with one cd [22:02] well he said he only had a cd drive [22:02] brb [22:02] fatalnix_: he meant that he didn't have a dvd drive [22:02] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:02] fatalnix_: he wanted to know what cds would get him a working desktop [22:02] because he can't use the dvd iso [22:02] but besides that, if deco is right, then i will let you know that I always use CD 1 and find a way to transfer the rest... eitehr via network or serial or parrallel port or something [22:03] either* [22:03] fatalnix_: yeah i told him to use cd1 and slackpkg the rest [22:03] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:03] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.3) left irc: Quit: Quit Message [22:04] does slapkpkg come with 13.1 now? I wasn't aware it did [22:04] macavity: i got an amd phenom II dualcore 3.1ghz , 6m L3 cache but i unlocked 2 cores now it's a quad-core :) [22:04] cost me $100 [22:04] I'm thinking slaptget sorry [22:04] no [22:04] unohu62: yeah slackpkg comes with cd1 [22:04] and if it ever does I'm going back to slackware 10.2 [22:04] lol [22:05] slackware doesn't neet slapt-get or swaret [22:05] lol [22:05] years as a debian user, forgive me lol [22:05] it needs no user name / password login mode for alzheimer slackware users though. [22:07] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:07] deco: wow.. how did you do that again? [22:07] rheault (~rheault@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [22:08] macavity: well the phenom i got was the black edition so they are locked , in the bios settings on my asus mobo there are options to unlock the cores [22:08] macavity: i was lucking in picking the right mobo and cpu [22:08] :P [22:08] s/lucking/lucky [22:08] deco: exact model and versions of both? [22:08] what did you get for a cpu, a SPARC? [22:08] macavity: k just a sec [22:08] phenoms rock [22:09] meh [22:09] phenoms are x86 though [22:09] ? [22:09] x86_64 [22:09] fatalnix_: phenoms II are x86_X64 now [22:09] I've using Zenwalk 6.4 as we speak, have also tried Vector Linux 6.0 , liked slackware 13 when I had a faster machine [22:09] I would really like a POWER7 workstation [22:09] most powerful processor in the world. [22:09] macavity: k mobo is M4A785T-M/CSM ASUS [22:10] Vector Linux really really sucks [22:10] IBM has the best CPU's in the work right now. [22:10] macavity: the /CSM part means long term support [22:10] roger [22:10] I think POWER7's are also up to 4.14 Ghz as well [22:10] 8 4.14 Ghz cores sounds dandy [22:10] macavity: cpu is amd phenom II black edition x2 550 [22:10] fatalnix_: do you have power7's? [22:10] No [22:11] however [22:11] I was looking at a nice POWER4 intellistation on ebay [22:11] for 200 bucks [22:11] good for cad / programming, graphics design. [22:11] we have phenoms you dream about power7's = pigeons and the little ones in hand. [22:12] deco: crossfire works for you, or are you just using the onboard GPU? [22:12] macavity: i got an nvidia geforce gts 250 for it too :p , i needed it for gaming on linux and the proprietary ati driver as you know is horrible but the opensource one is great for desktop use [22:13] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:13] macavity: oh never tried crossfire [22:13] nvidia .. [22:13] devil worshiper! ;-P [22:13] anyhow.. time to hit the sack [22:13] thx for the tip though [22:13] macavity: haha yeah :P but the ati opensource driver would be enough if i didn't game :P [22:13] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:14] heh [22:14] you can play WoW nicely with the OSS drivers [22:14] I d [22:14] do* [22:14] fatalnix_: what's your screen resolution ? [22:14] dl'ing cd's 1 and 2 thx again for the help, take care. [22:15] indubitableness (~indubitab@99.109.208.120) joined ##slackware. [22:15] as high as the monitor goes [22:15] havin' trouble with fuseiso [22:15] well on the laptop its 1024x768. [22:15] won't mount mdf files [22:15] thats as high as it goes [22:15] fatalnix_: ah that's why [22:15] and this ones 1280x1024 [22:15] anyone familiar with it? [22:16] fatalnix_: i have a 1920 x 1080 screen [22:16] and it also works on my 2048x1536 monitor [22:16] fatalnix_: so fps suck [22:16] unless i use the nvidia card [22:16] and I get good fps with RadeonHD with that [22:16] the problem deco [22:16] is shaders [22:16] fatalnix_: oh wait is that onboard gpu ? [22:16] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] radeonhd doesn't have the opengl shader support done yet [22:16] ah [22:16] fatalnix_: but radeonhd is dead [22:16] last time I ran fuseiso it just worked [22:17] deco radeonhd is updated like every week [22:17] As soon as it was installed I could mount any image format I had using mount -o loop [22:17] at last last semester it was [22:17] this time it's being a big ol' pain in my ass [22:17] fatalnix_: didn't novell stop development of radeonhd ? [22:17] and google is proving useless in solving the problem [22:17] the radeonhd drivers? [22:17] fatalnix_: yeah [22:17] doesnt mean other people haven't picked it up [22:17] I don't know how it's going right now [22:18] fatalnix_: there's the ati one [22:18] I require assistence [22:18] i use it [22:18] but it fixes issues with the standard drivers [22:18] assistance? [22:18] however [22:18] it also has some of the same issues [22:18] such as teh shaders issue [22:18] you get low fps if you use any shaders [22:18] like super low [22:18] fatalnix_: oh well , like when i play urbanterror i get 30 fps [22:18] well, not any but many [22:18] heh [22:19] ai can haz mounted mdf filez? [22:19] 30 is decent though, 30 is right around where you don't really notice it but it's also at a point where it can be easily altered from an explosion or something and decreased significantly [22:19] fatalnix_: nvidia card gets more than 90 fps [22:19] meh [22:19] fatalnix_: yeah but for this shooter it's like meh [22:20] lags [22:20] at 30 [22:20] fatalnix_: what i do miss when using the nvidia card is a nice a frame buffer :p [22:20] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] y'all using wine? [22:21] I played WoW at 35 was it and it was flawless unless I went in a huge city and someone was using giant spells [22:21] heh [22:21] once you hit the 30's it doesnt lag so bad, but it's less stable [22:21] indubitableness: for wow yeah but for ubranterror no there's a native port to linux [22:21] fatalnix_: yup [22:22] I'd rather be at 200 fps and lose 20 fps in an explision than 30 [22:22] lol [22:22] but yeah it was definately playable [22:22] unohu62 (~unohu62@bas22-toronto12-2925003547.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:23] I'd like an XGI card [22:23] this fuseiso problem is driving me nuts [22:23] lol [22:23] fatalnix_: yeah [22:23] trying to install beyond good and evil [22:23] never played it [22:23] want to see if it'll run in wine for me [22:23] can't mount these images [22:24] fatalnix_: ever tried running xbmc ? , with the opensource ati driver it's really slow :/ [22:24] I've never seen this problem when I was running 13.0 [22:24] it would be slow now because of 2.6.29.6 [22:24] I've only heard of xbmc though I think [22:24] it's really familiar [22:24] fatalnix_: it's a media center app [22:25] alright I need to reboot into 2.6.35 :D [22:25] So I'm just going to assume you guys don't use fuseiso [22:25] k see ya fatalnix_ [22:25] since no one's acknowledged my plea yet [22:26] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:28] I'm seeing all sorts of weird shit [22:29] fusermount insists "fusermount: extra arguments after the mountpoint [22:29] " [22:29] which is a lie [22:29] big fat lie [22:29] fuseiso says "only 0 bytes read from position 32768, 2048 required; is it really supported file?" [22:29] it's supposed to be a supported file [22:33] WORKS [22:33] :d [22:33] :D* [22:33] congrats fatalnix_ [22:33] :D [22:34] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.12.236.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:34] yeah. for some reason running WoW in directX is very bad. it never used to be except a long time ago but it doesnt work with -opengl with the OSS [22:34] which stinks [22:34] iirc once in game it works fine though [22:35] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [22:35] heh [22:36] fatalnix_: do you use kde/xfce or a wm ? [22:36] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Quit: Sir_Konrad [22:39] I actually prefer wmii [22:39] I set up gnome and compiz on some machines just to do some benchmark like stuff [22:40] but if I'm down and serious I need something like fluxbox or wmii [22:40] fatalnix_: cool , i'm jusing kde atm [22:41] s/jusing/using [22:41] fatalnix_: i can't really enjoy tiling wm's on a big res :/ but i really like them when i have to use a small res [22:41] dang it [22:41] I was just able to mount ONE of my mdf files [22:41] heh [22:41] which means these ones that won't mount might be corrupt [22:41] they're brand new! [22:42] eeek [22:42] linuxgoob (linuxgoob@adsl-99-73-24-226.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [22:43] no [22:43] there's no way all these files are corrupt [22:43] I refuse to believe it [22:44] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-249.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:45] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.12.236.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:45] what files? [22:45] Image files [22:46] I've got mdf/mds images for Black and White, Black and White 2, and Beyond Good and Evil [22:46] none of which are mounting [22:46] but I have an mdf/mds file for an old game called Pyst that does mount [22:47] I just wish people would use bin/cue [22:47] or iso [22:48] try mounting it on the loop with mount -o loop /iso/file.iso [22:48] I have [22:48] what happens when you do that? [22:48] see I need to use fuseiso [22:48] fuse is just user space FS drivers [22:49] yes [22:49] and fuseiso is a plugin that lets you mount proprietary file images [22:49] like mdf/mds, nrg [22:49] and it lets you mount bin/cue easily [22:49] when it's friggen working right [22:49] but it doesn't seem to be [22:49] mount -o loop says "specify filetype" [22:49] using -t 9660 gives an error [22:50] fuse usually doesn't work right anyway :p [22:50] dngr (~dngr@n11649134009.netvigator.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:50] "wrong filetype or something else blah dah blah" [22:50] are those files formatted as iso6990s? [22:50] I wouldn't even know how to check [22:50] they should be [22:50] they're disc images [22:50] use -t iso6990 [22:51] iso9660? [22:51] yeah, thats the real fs name [22:51] I have been [22:51] that was early in the process of being pissed off at this machine [22:52] check it. You can see the errors and stuff here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/fuseiso-not-mounting-mdf-files-826124/ [22:52] sorry im also a bit tired9660 is correct :p [22:54] like it says [22:54] did you rebuild the fuseiso package from slackbuild.org? [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:54] in the past as soon as fuseiso was installed I could mount all my disc files just using mount -o loop [22:54] The first one I tried was built with slackbuilds [22:54] hmm [22:54] then I tried a package from a repository [22:55] you're on 13 or 13.1? [22:55] they're both giving me the same errors [22:55] 13.1 [22:55] on 13.0 I never had any trouble with fuseiso [22:55] I built it from slackbuilds and bam [22:55] everything worked [22:56] hmm [22:56] so what happened to cause problems? ( i think i missed that part) [22:56] of course I ran the huge kernel the entire time I was on 13.0 [22:56] and now I'm running the generic kernel [22:56] but the fuse module is loaded [22:56] I don't know what happened [22:56] it loats at boot with the rc.fuse script [22:57] try switching to the huge kernel for kicks [22:57] this is the first time I've tried to run fuseiso on this release [22:57] okay [22:57] if it works, we know you need to either load a module that isn't getting loaded, [22:57] or you may need an initrd file [22:57] I'm not ready to reboot just yet but that's a good idea [22:57] depending on when you decide to mount stuff [22:57] thats where id go next anyway :) [22:58] When I reboot I'll let you know if it works [22:58] thanks [22:58] ok np [22:59] indubitableness (~indubitab@99.109.208.120) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:00] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [23:06] pupiteee (~p@109.93.232.197) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:06] m1ck3y (~mickey@68-188-128-163.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:07] Well wtf [23:07] I can't get wmii working [23:07] no keys work, so i'm stuck with fluxbox [23:07] I tried 3 or so different versions too [23:07] indubitableness (~Indubitab@adsl-99-109-208-120.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] didn't work [23:07] same errors [23:07] I'm in windows [23:07] and I just realized I can't access these files from here [23:08] SHIT [23:08] I might as well fix retarded windows sound problem while I'm here [23:08] meh [23:08] I don't need X right now [23:08] and I should probably install cygwin I've been wanting to test something [23:08] I friggen hate using windows [23:09] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-21.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] heya folks [23:09] howdy [23:10] heya, indubitableness [23:10] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [23:10] hi [23:10] heya m1ck3y [23:11] How are you MLanden? [23:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:11] relaxin' for the night thanks m1ck3y...yourself? [23:12] friggen sound driver is 72 megabytes [23:12] I hate this operating system [23:12] relaxing as well.. :) [23:12] indubitableness: which operating system is that? vista? [23:12] indubitableness: sound driver for what? [23:13] Yeah [23:13] Reltek audio drivers [23:13] real [23:13] I'm just trying to see if it will handle these mdf files [23:13] if windows won't mount them then I can confirm they're corrupt [23:14] There's an application I like called ultraiso for converting and modifying various image files [23:14] driver package come with samples,indubitableness? [23:14] possibly [23:14] j0z__ (unix@201.47.31.226.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:14] I haven't needed to use windows for anything in months [23:14] and this is essentially a fresh install [23:15] which means the sound is broken for whatever stupid reason [23:15] j0z_ (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:15] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] indubitableness: hopefully,it's not bad BIOS firmware [23:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:15] It shouldn't be [23:16] this computer is a tough sucker [23:16] It's been reliable [23:16] I can't say the same for windows [23:16] it's just some Vista bug [23:16] sound works in slackware [23:16] hello all [23:16] hey MLanden [23:16] heya shonudo [23:16] hello indubitableness [23:16] howdy [23:17] Tried to install windows 7 a while back [23:17] I've got two keys that I own [23:17] gives me a bogus error about failing drives [23:18] I'm convinced it detected non NTFS partitions and errored out because of that [23:18] what gives you the warning? win7 or SMART on bios? [23:18] the windows 7 install disc [23:18] ignore it [23:18] well you can't [23:18] it won't let you go any further [23:18] it says "Not gonna do it" [23:18] a windows warning isn't worth the blue background it appears on [23:18] "Wouldn't be prudent" [23:18] lol [23:19] it just restarts and restarts [23:19] giving the same error each time [23:19] So I said screw it [23:19] it's not like I'm going to use the operating system for more than a couple hours every few months [23:19] might as well stick with vista [23:19] indubitableness: lol....good Dana Carvey ref [23:20] hah [23:20] "A thousand points of light" [23:21] Gotta restart again [23:21] indubitableness (Indubitab@adsl-99-109-208-120.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [23:22] lol [23:22] stunix (1000@85.19.141.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:23] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:24] stunix (1000@85.19.141.252) joined ##slackware. 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[23:43] 3 reboots later [23:43] I got sound [23:44] yup [23:44] looks like these mdf files are in tact [23:44] screw it I'm converting them to iso [23:44] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Guii (slackware@187.101.3.13) left irc: Quit: it´s all [www.fulltscript.com] [23:47] j0z__ (unix@201.47.31.226.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. [23:55] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] greetings and salutations [23:56] sup [23:58] cheers and jeers, andarius [23:59] musqadines and pomegranates [00:00] --- Sat Aug 14 2010