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[00:19] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:19] yoddles (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] hi [00:19] I can't get sound working with unreal tournament [00:19] open /dev/[sound/]dsp: Device or resource busy [00:21] fhobia: 2.6.5 source was out 8 jan fwiw http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pidgin/pidgin-2.6.5.tar.bz2 [00:24] hahahahhaha [00:24] antivirus 2000 [00:25] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-167-16.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [00:27] grazymax (n=grazymax@host214-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-170-198.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] There is no /dev/[sound/]dsp [00:28] WallRat007 (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:29] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [00:29] why is ut2004 saying ---> open /dev/[sound/]dsp: Device or resource busy [00:29] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] spectre (n=kyle@pool-173-54-182-142.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] yoddles: it wants to use OSS, you're on a modern system that uses ALSA. Try "modprobe snd_pcm_oss". If that works, add that line to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules or somethign [00:30] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Client Quit [00:31] wait. Device or resource busy, or no such file, or no such device? [00:31] see if you have /dev/dsp, and if so, "lsof /dev/dsp" to find out what process is using it already [00:32] there is no file ---> /dev/[sound/]dsp [00:32] whats [sound/] ? [00:32] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [00:32] yoddles, you can also try running it as ~$ aoss command [00:32] AND ut2004 says its busy [00:32] it's shorthand for "either /dev/dsp or /dev/sound/dsp, whichever your system has" [00:32] yoddles, it's saying that /dev/sound/dsp and /dev/dsp are both missing [00:32] do you have /dev/dsp? [00:33] I have /dev/dsp I don't have /dev/sound/dsp I can play youtube and mp3s btw. [00:33] just no sound in game [00:33] you don't need /dev/sound/dsp, slackware uses /dev/dsp [00:33] eh, OK, try "lsof /dev/dsp" and see what it says [00:33] nothing [00:34] and I have the oss modules running. modprobe snd_pcm_oss didn't fix it [00:34] you already had that loaded, if you already had /dev/dsp [00:35] try the "lsof /dev/dsp" as root, if you didn't already [00:35] yoddles: try what hiptobecubic said. aoss command, IE: aoss ut2004 [00:35] I'm waiting for my ath9k mini pcie card to show up now [00:36] aoss shouldn't be needed though, he really has snd_pcm_oss loaded [00:36] yoddles: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-games-33/no-sound-in-ut2004-237788/ another link in there too. [00:37] OMFG aoss worked! [00:37] Urchlay: /shrug.. i've played ut2004 on linux before but don't remember having any sound issues. it's been a while since i last played. above link suggested the same thing as well [00:37] I never heard of that [00:37] where do you guys come up with this stuff [00:37] yoddles: google, it works wonders [00:38] I was googling --> no sound & unreal tournament 2004 & linux [00:38] didn't encounter aoss [00:38] it's cool now thanx [00:38] aoss worked? I still say it shouldn't be needed, but *shrug* [00:39] well it worked for ut2004 but not doom3 [00:39] i'll read that link [00:41] yoddles: doom3 sound isn't working either? [00:41] i've played that more recent and hadn't had a problem. hrm. are you using the huge or generic kernel? [00:41] aoss worked on ut but not doom3 [00:42] slackware 12.2 32bit [00:42] WallRat007 (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30DA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [00:42] yoddles: http://urlg.in/1l1 [00:43] grrr. I gotta take this machine apart for the first time in over a year, and can't find any cans of compressed air to blow it out with [00:43] s/air/butane or whatever that stuff really is/ [00:43] take it to a body shop [00:43] ask them to use their compressor [00:43] it's not butane [00:43] butane is extremely flammable [00:44] use/reuse a balloon [00:45] *shrug*, I dunno what it is. I do know that 20 years ago you could buy compressed stuff in a can that would (a) ignite, and (b) get you high (and/or send you to the hospital) [00:45] save the environment [00:45] "inhalant abuse can be fatal" [00:45] definitely [00:46] I say, people dumb enough to kill themselves that way, let 'em weed themselves out of the gene pool. Evolution in action. [00:46] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:46] when i first read that, i was like ... i didnt know you can get high on this, thanks [00:46] Urchlay: All that fun stuff has been replaced by near inert, no fun, stuff now [00:46] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] well anyway, it'd be nice to eradicate the dust bunnies inside the case, since I have to take it apart anyway [00:46] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:46] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] They are already getting rid of the sand in the sand boxes. [00:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:47] hey, when you were a kid, how did you keep cats from crapping in your sandbox? [00:47] looker_ (i=looker@tornado.ktu.lt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:47] (seriously, I quit playing in sandboxes at like age 4 due to finding a cat turd in there) [00:50] doom3 +set s_driver oss # Doesn't work [00:50] sandbox --no-crap [00:50] Urchlay: "mooom! there [00:50] #why are you talking like this [00:51] Urchlay: "mooom! there's a cat turd in my sand box!" [00:51] that usually took care of the problem for me :) [00:51] the part you didn't know was that it was your mom's turd and not the cats :-( [00:51] lol [00:51] oh snap [00:51] looker (i=looker@tornado.ktu.lt) joined ##slackware. [00:52] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:55] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:55] blarg. Time to take the behemoth apart... BBL [00:55] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [00:55] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [00:55] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [01:02] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@94.159.224.163) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [01:05] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.78.45.92) joined ##slackware. [01:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:10] kde isn't saving any of my settings. From keyboard rates to kde sound settings. nothing is saved [01:12] kde sucks man, i use gnome with ubuntu [01:12] if you're on *buntu, why are you here? [01:12] just curious [01:12] :P [01:13] because there is good chat here [01:13] ah [01:13] #ubuntu is too big to have any chat [01:13] and they are all noobs asking for the most basic help [01:13] well, I have my own opinion of what I've seen in #ubuntu [01:14] I am not an expert but I know the basics, and I did use slackware... my first slackware installation wa in 1997 [01:14] yep - fun days [01:14] my first experience with linux, so i love slackware [01:15] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] now using ubuntu, dios_mio ? [01:15] sQuEE (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [01:15] so why on an ubuntu now? [01:15] probably easier to get it all setup [01:16] i know its basics [01:16] how old are you alison? [01:16] you sound old too :P [01:16] Channel flood from dios_mio -- kicking [01:16] I am 31 [01:16] yes.. now ubuntu... because it is much easier [01:16] dios_mio kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:16] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.179.40) joined ##slackware. [01:16] i like GNOME too.. ubuntu comes with it [01:16] gotta watch slackboy [01:16] sorry man.. i must have been lagged [01:17] I used to like gnome, but didn't like the way it was going [01:17] and to be 31 again ..... [01:17] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.76.7.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] alison heh :D [01:18] when i used slackware in recent times i wouldnt download the KDE disc... so I would have to use XFCE.. and I find it quite ugly [01:18] really? [01:18] yeah... you always get the KDE disc? [01:19] Action: fhobia somehow only likes the look of ncurses apps :-D [01:19] I mean I don't like xfce or KDE [01:19] but I don't find xfce ugly, especially not compared to the default KDE4 theme [01:20] I used windows for some years and I now want some basic features like a functional clipboard, some similiar keyboard shortcuts... [01:20] my suspicions are true, everybody in ##slackware is double my age [01:20] i find them all ugly so i use a tiling window manager now :-P [01:20] I get the dvd - so kde comes with it [01:20] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.147.57) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:20] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:20] Hello People. [01:21] yo slackwarebob [01:21] hola. [01:21] anybody using KDE? [01:21] me [01:21] slackwarebob, lol [01:21] slackware64-current atm [01:22] I am using kde on current [01:22] alisonken1noc: do you have to add the user to a certain group, for kde to suspend properly? [01:22] and it's not saving my keyboard rate settings [01:22] power group I believe [01:22] DrStrangeNix: ^ [01:23] slackwarebob: is your user a member of the power group? [01:23] some people like to modify and customize their OS, but I dont like doing that because when I do a new install I feel sorry for losing all my customizations.. so I try to stick with the defaults as much as possible [01:23] hmmm, my user is a member of power. [01:23] which version of slackware [01:23] did you listen to adduser when it said to hit the up arrow key to populate default groups? [01:24] dios_mio: a lot of that stuff is done in your home directory, you know you can make /home a partition and re-use it across installs, right? [01:24] Urchlay, well sure that can be done [01:24] 13.0 [01:25] dios_mio: I _know_ it can be done :) [01:25] DrStrangeNix: I probably did. groups shows bunch of groups. [01:25] should be done, I'd say, since it contains all your other data [01:25] (actual stuff you use as your user, as opposed to bits of the OS that should be replaced on reinstall) [01:25] slackwarebob: hmm - don't have my laptop with me atm, but I seem to recall it worked fine as a user [01:26] and both my laptops are on 13.0 [01:26] it works fine for me too as a user [01:26] alisonken1noc: mine has been working just great on the KDE side. But the /etc/rc. restart commands always crap out, and the suspend is not working as expected. [01:26] the downside of doing that: I have ancient files from 1993 in /home/urchlay that I can't even remember what they're for :) [01:26] sometimes, doesn't do anything. [01:27] sometimes, suspends to ram, and sometimes suspends to disk. sometimes, hangs and then requires a reboot. [01:29] doom 3's sound works on Debian but not slackware. [01:29] slackwarebob: did you see the link i posted to the 12.2 build of suspend? [01:29] i actually just rebuilt this laptop and used the 12.2 sbo to build on 13 [01:29] suspend to disk and ram work fine [01:31] mag0o: I remember that link. I don't know if I still have it. [01:32] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/suspend/ [01:32] bookmarked! [01:32] only config is /etc/suspend.conf to set your resume device, the snapshot device is created by the sbo [01:33] I guess, I had setup acpi scripts first. But then I just moved it all to KDE power management. [01:33] I set it to just suspend to disk. [01:33] but sometimes, it does. sometimes, it just craps. [01:34] sometimes, suspends to ram, and sometimes suspends to disk. sometimes, hangs and then requires a reboot. [01:34] i am using the suspend tools with acpi events/scripts [01:35] mag0o: suspends tools seem ok too. I guess since my KDE is crapping out, I'll use those. [01:35] CarlFr (n=CarlFr@59.92.107.214) joined ##slackware. [01:35] what's your DE? [01:35] DrStrangeNix (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:35] fluxbox [01:38] oh fluxbox really rocks. [01:40] :) xfce4-power-manager makes for a good battery monitor too in fluxbox [01:40] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.120.107) left irc: Success [01:43] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:44] I just like KDE on one laptop. [01:44] it's eyecandy. [01:46] this old thinkpad t43 struggles with eyecandy [01:46] i can't wait to replace my t43 :-P [01:48] i love mine, work offered a c2d dell d630 w 4x the ram and 3x the hdd i have on this thing, and i turned it down [01:49] i got a lemon model where the fan is on all the time [01:50] ahh, not a lemon, a challenge [01:50] theres a script on thinkwiki that gives you back control of the fan [01:50] bbits (n=dev@adsl-99-144-169-164.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.1-dev" [01:51] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:51] yep, thats what i've been using [01:51] its still noisy [01:52] but bearable ! [01:52] this dualcore laptop is pretty ok with eyecandy [01:52] just rip out the fan. [01:52] you don't need it. [01:53] lol [01:56] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.75.181) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:04] Anyone ever rebuilt Slackware's KDE to include debugging support? [02:06] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [02:07] Not I. Building KDE without debugging is a daunting task the way it is. :P [02:07] not yet, it should increase package size singificantly though [02:07] but you cant make proper bug reports otherwise, thats true [02:09] CarlFr (n=CarlFr@59.92.107.214) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:09] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.75.174) left irc: "Leaving" [02:10] seeing chakra split packages konqueror is 1.5 mb while konqueror-debug is 8.6mb [02:12] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.107.214) joined ##slackware. [02:12] I wonder if it would bog the whole operation down too much [02:15] bulding the whole thing? most likely.. [02:25] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." 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[03:03] yoou cant even trust the weather forecast nowadays. i checked the prediction at 7 in the morning and it said its was gonna snow at 8. but the sky is crystal clear and the sun is shining [03:06] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:08] sahk0: I just found out that work is closed (I work as Tech Support at a secondary school) literally 2 minutes before I left to go to work. [03:10] cause of snow? [03:12] Hmm [03:12] I don't think lspci is listing my wireless card. [03:12] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:12] sahk0 yes [03:13] lucky you, and most of all cause you found out before leaving home:) [03:13] sahk0: i hope you didnt check the weather forecast from "Petroula" ;) [03:14] LOL [03:14] no, meteo.gr [03:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [03:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlP-uw4t-aI&feature=related greek weather forecast "Petroula" ftw [03:15] john_dee (n=id@95-29-15-252.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:15] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-157.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:15] sahk0: its greece man...how can it be snow ;) [03:16] yeah i havent seen much snow since i was in the army [03:16] i miss it tbh [03:18] need to go in some mountain or something ;) up north there is lots of snow ;) tbh ;) [03:18] but the neighbours wireless seems to be working more reliably under decent weather :D [03:18] so i guess its ok [03:18] The-Croupier: that's just awesome. [03:19] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:24] thats not in the forecast [03:24] it was a news special [03:24] sahk0: if you can find it that would be fun to see ;) [03:25] ill try [03:26] Rebooted, and now my wireless hardware appears. [03:26] sahk0: you going to patra? [03:26] Axius (n=gi@92.84.31.186) joined ##slackware. [03:26] As well as a "missing" PCI-E slot. [03:26] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:26] ccfreak2k: is that a problem? [03:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XI-7xYr2DU but this one is from "radio arvyla" [03:27] Missing hardware? Yes. [03:29] The-Croupier: no im not going to patra, we have a carnival here too, though i rarely attend that too [03:29] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("="). [03:31] krillz_ (n=mos@home.rubicon.cx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:31] krillz (n=mos@home.rubicon.cx) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [03:32] sahk0: pm? [03:32] What is the command used to open the current directory in terminal to open using a X file manager like Dolphin? [03:32] lechiffre: cd [03:32] ? [03:32] no. I meant using dolphin. [03:33] lechiffre: xdg-open $(pwd) [03:33] thanks fred [03:33] alternatively, "dolphin ." [03:33] The-Croupier: sure, but i dont know how reliable the connection is so i might "drop" anytime [03:33] if you want it to always use dolphin, as opposed to your DE default [03:33] thanks a lot. [03:34] sahk0: did you get that? pm back, i need to ask something... [03:40] Mefached (n=jonathan@c-75-64-148-127.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Ephedrax (i=1000@AReims-152-1-18-173.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Does anybody know: When installing a slackbuild, the .info lists both the 32 bit flavor and 64 bit flavor. I have the 64 bit 13.0 installed. When I install the slackbuild, am I supposed to comment or take out the 32 bit one in the .info file? If there is only a 32 bit flavor listed, then I shouldn't install it at all? [03:51] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: "Leaving." [03:51] techwonder: i think 32bit work on 64bit, but on the other hand, you are supposed to not mix them for efficiency reasons i guess [03:51] techwonder: no read http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64, if there is only 32bit source listed, it will compile on both (only if DOWNLOAD_x86_64 is listed as UNSUPPORTED it wont build [03:52] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] if both the 32 and 64 bit downloads are mentioned, use the 64bit source. [03:54] techwonder: listen to BP{k} ;) ^^ [03:55] I read that faq earlier and I use the ARCH line but if there is a 64 bit listed, would it work to just not waste the space to download the 32 bit flavor and comment out the line? [03:56] techwonder: uhm YDIW. [03:56] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:56] source $PRGNAM.info && wget -c $DOWNLOAD_x86_64 [03:57] so in short: "yes it would work" but you're creating a lot of extra work. [03:58] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [03:58] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [03:58] where would you use that line? [03:58] hmm geez, let me think .. on the shell? [03:59] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-157.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:00] is there another place to use commands? [04:00] Action: The-Croupier never seen one...so is wondering [04:00] BP{k}: forgive my noobiness ;) [04:01] techwonder: the info file is written in such a way that you can easily source the file, and then everything in the info file becomes a variable, which you then can use for further processing [04:02] argus1 (i=axius@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@server1.bshellz.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:02] argus1 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Stop wasting my oxygen. [04:02] Mefached (n=jonathan@c-75-64-148-127.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:02] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:02] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [04:02] I was thinking of maybe inside a script or the .info file itself...ok got the command line. When I just downloaded the 64 bit flavor, it wouldn't work without the 32 bit one in the directory as well So looking at the source command, it just looked like your downloading the 64 and not the 32 to it will crash. [04:02] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [04:03] You haven't led me astray in anything you have said, I'm just trying to understand it better I guess. [04:04] techwonder: it won't crash, if it does: 1) you're doing it wrong 2) show me the output. [04:04] dtanner_ (n=dtanner@adsl-76-240-77-29.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:04] Ephedrax_ (i=1000@AReims-152-1-155-212.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:06] k, we'll give it a shot...doing open office now. [04:09] Axius (n=gi@92.84.31.186) left irc: "leaving" [04:10] Nick change: _vhargon_ -> vhargon [04:10] this may seem stupid but what should I substitute in that source line you gave me? [04:11] slackboy [04:11] says no such file or directory so I know I'm doing something wrong [04:11] techwonder: the variables starting with $ [04:12] techwonder: are you even in the openoffice directory? [04:12] yes I am in the dir. [04:12] techwonder: pastebin the output of "ls -l" [04:13] Nick change: Reticent1 -> Reticenti [04:13] bash-3.1$ ll [04:13] total 24 [04:13] -rw-r--r-- 1 kerryb users 608 2009-05-10 17:29 README [04:13] Channel flood from techwonder -- kicking [04:13] -rw-r--r-- 1 kerryb users 472 2009-05-10 17:29 doinst.sh [04:13] -rwxr-xr-x 1 kerryb users 6125 2009-09-07 22:30 openoffice.org.SlackBuild [04:13] techwonder kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:13] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] techwonder forgot to read "pastebin" in that sentence :) [04:14] I just *knew* that would happen... ;) [04:14] lol [04:14] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-244-78-56.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] techwonder (n=techwond@c-76-25-159-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] Action: BP{k} applauds techwonder ... [04:15] techwonder (n=techwond@c-76-25-159-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:15] hahaha [04:15] lol [04:15] he's too ashamed [04:15] I guess he didn't like the 'applause' :) [04:15] lol [04:16] satan take creative labs [04:16] just calling a piece of shit a soundblaster doesn't make it less of a piece of shit :( [04:16] techwonder (n=techwond@c-76-25-159-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:17] guess that wasn't too bright [04:17] Urchlay: does this means we have to install all creative labs cards backwards? [04:17] techwonder: that's the reason why pastebin was suggested - slackboy doesn't like posts more than 3 lines long [04:17] and no compromising with slackboy - [s]he's a bot [04:17] something else I don't know how to use yet [04:18] BP{k}: it means I want my old sblive value card back [04:18] techwonder: go to http://pastebin.slackadelic.com .. paste the output, press the pastebutton and give us the url of that paste. [04:18] http://pastebin.ca <-- paste your relevant text in the box and click on 'submit'. not hard at all [04:18] unlike the brand new audigy I just got, it uses the emu10k1 driver, which is mature & works well [04:18] or use BP{k}'s pastebin - lots to choose from [04:19] just get wgetpaste [04:20] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:20] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/TQk2ms48.html [04:22] may I suggest visiting http://sbopkg.org ? [04:22] techwonder: let me guess, you did a direct "source $PRGNAM.info" right? [04:23] yes, with the openoffice*.Sl*.info [04:24] techwonder: now .. lets looks again at your directory .. what do you think might have possibly gone wrong? [04:25] Axius (n=gi@92.84.31.186) joined ##slackware. [04:26] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:26] hmmm [04:27] sorry, I typed $openoffice.org.info [04:27] don't see anything else [04:28] bash-3.1# source $openoffice.org.info && wget -c $Download_x86_64 [04:28] bash: .org.info: No such file or directory [04:29] if I'm in the dir where the file is located, do I still need to put in an absolute path? [04:29] techwonder: DOWNLOAD_x86_64 .. FFS [04:29] NOT $Download_x86_64 or whatever botchjob you make of it. [04:29] case sensitivity is not a windows strength, but a requirement for linux/unix [04:30] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:31] bash-3.1# source $openoffice.org.info && wget -c $DOWNLOAD_x86_64 [04:31] bash: .org.info: No such file or directory [04:31] Action: BP{k} gives up [04:31] techwonder - opeonffice.org.info is not a variable - it's a file. drop the $ in front of openoffice.org.info [04:32] source openoffice.org.info && ... [04:32] Duh, that worked [04:33] unlike some other things, in bash (which is the command line you're using) the $ indicates the following text is a variable [04:33] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [04:33] and since openoffice isn't defined .. bash tries to souce ".org.info" and can't find that file. [04:34] techwonder is now putting on the Dunce Cap and sitting in the corner... [04:34] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:34] Nick change: dtanner_ -> dtanner [04:34] BP{k} have you had a look at my script yet for mirroring tds.net slackware repository? [04:35] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [04:35] not sure if I asked you about it yet [04:35] alisonken1noc: I haven't seen that no, I might have that missed that. [04:36] one problem with pastebin.slackadelic.com is it doesn't have a 'bash language' option :) [04:36] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/GLhxmE21.html [04:37] alisonken1noc: I had a look at writing one but gave up .. ;) [04:38] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [04:38] this one rsync's mirrors.tds.net for versions 8.1 through -current and makes a dvd iso if there's any changes or the iso is missing [04:39] just thought of another minor change to the script, though, but that's the basics [04:39] codepad.org is nice wrt syntax highlighting. [04:40] looks nice :) [04:40] although personally I always run my -current syncs with a --backup option :) [04:42] hmm - may think about that one since I have a 1T drive to play with [04:43] and should be easy enough to write a cleanup functio nfor that as well. [04:43] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [04:44] thx all I know I was trying ur patients...the install worked [04:44] john_dee (n=id@95-29-15-252.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [04:45] s/patients/patience/ ;) [04:46] what software uses dbus apart from desktop environments? shoud I keep it enabled on a lamp server? [04:50] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [04:50] slava_dp: notifications use it [04:50] what kind of notifications? [04:50] popups [04:51] to hell with them :) does apache, mysql, php, etc. use dbus? [04:51] and what are popups doing on a lamp server? [04:51] but it also allows apps to talk to each other [04:51] i guess they pop up :) [04:51] on our servers the only time we have a monitor plugged in is mainly for bios configurations - everything else is either ssh or serial console [04:52] kk, so i disable it. [04:53] best way to find out if something uses it :) [04:53] sure :) [04:54] Action: slava_dp got to log out and back in to apply vboxusers group membership.... [04:54] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [04:55] When I launch screen while using X, I can use notify-send/libnotify, but if I kill X and restart it, screen can no longer notify-send/libnotify, does anyone know how to fix this? [04:56] which i think is a result of screen trying to use the old libnotify daemon, which dies when X dies [04:57] so absically i need to know if it's possible to unlink the old libnotify daemon and restart it with the new one [04:57] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:58] damn... how do I enable usb passthrough in vbox [04:59] http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualbox-2-how-to-pass-through-usb-devices-to-guests-on-an-ubuntu-8.10-host <-- ubuntu slant, but give it a read and see if it helps [05:00] thanks :) [05:01] slava_dp: are you using the open source or closedsource version of vbox? [05:01] the closed one [05:02] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: "leaving" [05:02] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [05:03] my usb devices are greyed out in vbox as if i lack the rights to use them [05:03] i figured it out, I had to export DISPLAY=:0 [05:03] in my zshrc [05:04] that helps :) [05:05] BP{k}: ello :> [05:05] slava_dp, hi, got the new kernel running [05:05] zux, how is it? [05:05] great [05:05] fixed some of my small problems [05:10] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:11] what I did is I installed the closed virtualbox, added myself to vboxusers group, logged out and back. but I can't access the devices. maybe I should try to reboot? [05:11] vbox has udev rules for usb devices, dunno if they take effect on the fly. [05:12] eh. if I restart udev, will it redo my /dev? [05:12] or will i screw everything up totally? :) [05:14] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:14] yoddles (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:14] i would say log out and log back in, no reboot [05:15] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:15] hmm, /etc/rc.d/rc.udev force-reload didn't help.... [05:15] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-63-134.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:15] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:16] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [05:16] rebooting... bye bye all [05:16] any ideas why my pc loose the DNS information once a day or so? [05:16] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [05:16] the router is fine and anything that doesn't need lookup works fine [05:17] dhcp is the only thing changing your resolve.conf [05:17] so its gotta be something to do with that. [05:17] Paragone (n=shane@rrcs-97-77-49-112.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:17] lease time is 24hrs? [05:17] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] mm [05:18] chmod 000 your resolve :-P [05:18] Paragone (n=shane@rrcs-97-77-49-112.sw.biz.rr.com) left ##slackware. [05:18] Paragone (n=shane@rrcs-97-77-49-112.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:18] oh, not 000 but read only [05:18] leaves the name server as the router [05:18] or change it to 4.2.2.2 :p or opendns [05:18] lol yea i was thinking of doing that [05:19] 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 are google's public ones [05:19] or at least runnung though a caching DNS [05:19] unlike opendns, they surprisingly don't redirect you to search pages on NXDOMAIN [05:19] ty fred that was pissing me off. [05:19] 8.8.8.8 niceee [05:19] thats a pimp ip [05:19] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:20] New TV show: pimp your resolv.conf. [05:20] hah [05:21] so, i'm going to attempt to write my very first slackbuild script tonight [05:22] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Axius (n=gi@92.84.31.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:23] Reticenti: nice. [05:24] dam the google DNS is faster than my ISPs [05:24] delt0r_: opendns is faster than googDNS for me [05:24] I know - that's why I've been using it [05:24] (google dns) [05:26] only privacy could be a concern... they could tie every lookup to my gmail account [05:26] lol [05:26] yeah [05:26] oh noes, they want to advertise tampons to me [05:26] they already get all your searches [05:27] wrok out my fav porn^W web sites.... [05:27] more like "oh noes, they are advertising goat porn to me" [05:27] :3 [05:27] since i assume that my ISP do the same... I won't worru [05:28] otherwise i would use tor... but still .... something to think about [05:31] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:34] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:34] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:35] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [05:37] So for openDNS i have to be signed in? [05:38] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [05:41] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [05:41] delt0r_: http://septic.ziwall.net/~ash/fixresolve.pl [05:43] kr_eten (n=quick@ip-161-16.powernet.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:44] Nick change: kr_eten -> kreten [05:45] delt0r: ? [05:45] Nick change: kreten -> kr_eten [05:45] kr_eten (n=quick@ip-161-16.powernet.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [05:45] anybody using splashy? [05:45] acidchild: I can just trun of DHCP and put the ips in manually --nothing should keep rewriting the resolv.conf right? [05:45] i was bored [05:46] its 5:50AM [05:46] lol [05:46] right [05:46] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-210-71.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:48] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) joined ##slackware. [05:49] zux, i wanted to use it, but i didn't bother enough. [05:49] quick poll: who's skipping installation of portmap here? [05:49] me [05:49] not me. [05:49] wtf is portmap? like, nfs? [05:49] ok, thanks, poll over ;-) [05:49] slava_dp: a dep for rpc which is a dep for nfs [05:49] then again, I just click "install all" and go for coffee [05:49] well, it's not strictly a dep for rpc but it's used quite a lot [05:50] Action: slava_dp hasn't ever used nfs [05:50] Action: Camarade_Tux is setting it up right now [05:50] Action: slava_dp hits himself: "You should learn how to operate nfs!" [05:52] Action: Camarade_Tux hits slava_dp: "You should learn how to operate nfs!" ;-) [05:52] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:52] Action: slava_dp lols [05:52] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [05:53] slava_dp: man portmap [05:53] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.199.13) joined ##slackware. [05:53] BP{k}: you have to go for coffee? it's not next to the keyboard (which should be waterproof btw)? [05:53] slava_dp, http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ [05:54] Action: slava_dp shuts up and reads [05:54] thanks for the links [05:54] basically, my browser uses RPC (don't worry, it's light use and it doesn't slow anything down) and I was wondering if I should use portmap or not [05:54] s/use portmap/rely on portmap/ [05:54] alisonken1noc: when I say go for coffee, I mean .. "poke kethry to get me coffee" [05:56] ah - that works as well :) [05:56] (now if I could get allison to do that ..... ) [05:58] damnit [05:58] the internet is broken [05:58] now, if I could get anyone that could maybe do that... ='( [05:58] tewmten: you can only access IRC? [06:00] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [06:00] wait for it ... wait for it ... [06:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.22) joined ##slackware. [06:00] Action: Delahunt awaits tewmten ping timeout [06:01] hmmm, is there a /etc/rc.d/rc.statd on slackware? [06:02] only if you installed the package [06:03] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@server1.bshellz.net expired. [06:03] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@server1.bshellz.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:03] on a default 13.0/-current I see rc.sysstat but don't know if it's the same [06:03] its not [06:03] so, the slackbuild i was making [06:03] statd is inside rc.rpc [06:03] i jsut realized slackware already comes installed with it [06:03] :3 [06:03] Action: Zordrak golf claps [06:03] after i finished it ofcourse [06:04] ohwell, it was a learning experience :) [06:04] Reticenti: what was it for? :P [06:04] mailx [06:04] >.< [06:04] i thought that mailx and mailx-heirloom were two different programs [06:05] i've made usb to work in virtualbox. the hack is to unload the driver that is using the device on the host then it becomes available on the guest. in my case -- modprobe -r uvcvideo. [06:05] damn, it took long. [06:08] ahhhhhh shiiiiiiiiet [06:08] i jsut made my computer text my phone [06:08] ...and? [06:08] that's cool [06:08] oh. [06:08] using gammu? [06:08] i'm going to have rtorrent text me when my torrents are done [06:08] using mailx [06:09] its less cool when you start dreading the next SMS cause nagios is telling you everythings broken [06:09] what sms service are you using? [06:09] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-176-115.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:09] slava_dp: @vtext.com [06:09] hcfd (n=fed@host86-173-108-105.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:09] thats not cool [06:09] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:09] cool is hooking up a mobile via bluetooth to send them [06:10] it's really emailing it [06:10] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [06:10] lol [06:11] osiro (n=osiro@189.111.254.251) joined ##slackware. [06:12] must be some conf error [06:13] @vtext.com. i wish we had such a service in ukraine. [06:13] slava_dp: it's just the carriers own email, you might have one [06:13] hmmm, what else should i have my computer text me for.. [06:14] Can anybody help me... I re-compile kernel with an initrd inside it, and when I reboot with this new bzImage I can't found ethernet interfaces... [06:14] nay, our cellular operators are very greedy. they charge for nearly everything. and they don't have any other sms service except for "send from our webpage, up to this limit of messages per day" [06:14] osiro: find out what module your interfaces need and load them [06:14] so, no chance for an e-mail2sms [06:14] carrier costs are mostly paying other carriers, so as long as it stays on verizon's network, it costs them nothing [06:15] osiro: ifconfig -a doesnt show an ethX port? [06:15] not a port... a device.... [06:15] right [06:15] sorry, it's late here [06:16] "terminating fee" required by the bells back in the early days before cell phones, so the end-point telephone service had to pay the initiating ma bell a connection fee [06:16] Zordrak: if I boot just with my custom initrd and using vmlinuz-huge I can found all the interfaces... but if I put this same initrd inside bzImage I can't, so I think modules are not the problem... [06:16] one of those monopoly law things that's coming back to bite them [06:17] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [06:17] osiro: then you creally dont know what youre doing [06:17] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [06:17] Reticenti: I tried it, but I can't see the interfaces... [06:17] there are no interfaces? [06:17] you have to include the driver for your network in the initrd [06:18] you did make the initrd to match your system didn't you? [06:18] alisonken1noc: i dont think thats necessary.. he shouldnt need the interfaces until after the kernel is loaded so it would suffice to add them to rc.modules [06:18] true [06:19] Reticenti: I can see the interfaces when I boot using some default kernel image and my custom initrd... [06:20] osiro: find the module. `modprobe $modulename` [06:21] Guys, don't you think that this is something about udev instead of modules? [06:21] no [06:22] Cause the initrd works well when I use it to boot... the problem is just when I out it inside bzImage... [06:22] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] *put [06:22] you cant put an initrd *inside* a "bzImage" [06:22] I can, when I recompile kernel there are an option initrdramfs... [06:23] Last time: find the module. modprobe the module. IFF it doesnt work then.. then we'll go from there [06:23] okay... lemme try [06:25] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ggoayawyurlducvf) joined ##slackware. [06:27] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.53.234) joined ##slackware. [06:30] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:30] anyway, nfs up and running, along with kernel 2.6.33-rc3 on the client* [06:31] s/\*$// [06:31] i hate it when my / is getting full and i can't figure out why exactly [06:31] Camarade_Tux: is there any good reason to move to 2.6.3x+ other than just keeping a -current up to date.. or are people just doing it for something to do.. [06:32] last time i looked at the changelogs i didnt really see anything worth upgrading for [06:32] Zordrak: nouveau [06:33] Camarade_Tux: no the routing between one of our datacenters and the office is fubar [06:33] Zordrak, bug fixes, which may include stability improvements for certain things [06:33] Camarade_Tux: hein? [06:33] Zordrak, do you believe in evolution? [06:33] see, I recompiled my kernel and did not have to hack the source of the nvidia driver /or/ copy nvidia.ko to lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc (only works between minors kernel version changes, and not alway) /or/ run nv or vesa for now /or/sacrifice a goat [06:34] Zordrak: the nouveau driver for nvidia cards [06:34] Delahunt: i believe in "if it 'aint broke don't fix it" for production systems [06:34] Camarade_Tux: oic [06:34] Zordrak, ah production system [06:34] so downtime is a no-no, eh? [06:34] I consider my system has been broken ever since I installed the nvidia driver on it ;-) [06:34] plus I don't like that it changes my libs [06:35] tewmten: well, also means you can't work xD [06:35] Delahunt: not necessarily... but a kernel update just for the sake of doing it isnt usually very productive. I woulrd usually wait until i upgrade the whole system unless theres something specific (such as a new driver) that is worth upgrading for [06:36] Zordrak, but it's worth it for the bug fixes [06:37] for minor versions yes.. but a major version jump introduces as many as it fixes [06:37] that's relative. if no bugs were affecting previous kernel, then it's not worth the risk [06:37] and the fact that sometimes security problems get fixed with bugs (it's happened before, someone finds an exploit, only machines maybe 1 distro release backwards are affected, etc) [06:37] Delahunt: security updates to the kernel are released by pat as patches [06:37] there is no such thing as software that is free of bugs 8-) [06:38] Delahunt: and vice versa. there have been security bugs that affect only last couple versions of the kernel [06:38] anyway.. i dont want this turning into a philosophical discussion.. was just wondering if theres anything past 29.6 that people *really* think its worth the effort of upgrading for [06:38] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.199.24) joined ##slackware. [06:38] but in my example (say for instance 2.6.30.1 had an expoit discovered after the release of 2.6.30.3. if you already upgraded to 2.6.30.3 you are covered, everyone else is now forced to upgrade or patch, etc [06:39] obviously the nouveau driver is one [06:39] what is not taken into account is zero day 8-) [06:39] Delahunt: uh.. isnt it more likely that .3 has a bug that .1 hasnt than .1 has a bug .3 hasnt? [06:40] depends on how much faith you have in the kernel maintainers 8-) [06:40] given that .3 has the same code as .1 but with extra additions and changes [06:40] Action: Delahunt shrugs [06:40] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:40] Zordrak, i've been using 29.6, 30.9, and now 32.3 on one of my desktops. out of them, .32.3 works fastest. [06:41] plus fixed some quirks for that pentium 4 system. [06:41] hello [06:41] fastest by fractions or truly honestly noticable? [06:41] I have a question [06:41] goarilla (n=goarilla@142.171-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:41] fwiw i upgrade with every kernel release because i use ext4 and i imagine that they are busy fixing the minor bugs [06:41] Patero-ng, go ahead and ask 8-) [06:41] I want to know how to know when my HD is having activility and I ave no idea what is causing it [06:41] truly noticeable. i did not do any benchmarks, it just feels snappier. [06:41] cool [06:41] Action: slava_dp uses ext4 too [06:42] Patero-ng, at what time does it happen? if it's 4AM it's updatedb (slocate database updater) [06:42] Patero-ng, iotop [06:42] Zordrak: past .29.6? well, I upgrade more than strictly required but I like some of the new features: the "perf" part (counters for cache misses and several low-level things) in .32 (I think), nouveau in .33, and for .30 and .31 which I upgraded to, I don't know [06:42] or just "top" and look [06:42] Patero-ng: iotop [06:42] as for my other computer, improved support (it's brand new) [06:42] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:42] what about it [06:42] use it [06:42] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] if the kernel maintainers work every day to make the next release better, with more features and fewer bugs, and better in every other way you can think of, it makes sense at least to me to upgrade with it [06:43] Patero-ng, ok, when does it happen? [06:43] Patero-ng, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/iotop/ [06:43] Delahunt: yeah.. thats totally sensible for minor releases.. but when new features are added in bulk, such as for major releases.. it doesnt quite work the same [06:43] because suddently my HD started blicking [06:43] you may need a kernel recompile for iotop though [06:44] is a good idea to keep this on checklits to do agaisnt hackers when running a server especially [06:44] Delahunt: your logic is flawed. you equate 'work' with 'more features and fewer bugs'. one doesn't necessarily follow the other [06:44] you have caught a virus, i can sense it [06:44] requires kernel i/o accounting support [06:44] Zordrak, works on 13.0 [06:44] ananke, true but that is at least their intent i would gather [06:44] "sense it" heh [06:44] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [06:44] i doubt they go to work with the goal of creating more bugs 8-) [06:44] kk [06:44] Delahunt: intent doesn't change the reality. [06:45] I don't ahve iptop installed [06:45] Patero-ng: slackbuilds.org [06:45] ffs [06:45] 11:43:24 < slava_dp> Patero-ng, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/iotop/ [06:45] ananke, yes but this is where the unmeasurable meats the measurable [06:45] i.e. faith in their work [06:45] but hey this is just how i think of it, my philosophy and preference [06:45] feel free to have your own 8-) [06:45] faith is ignorance [06:46] Delahunt: indeed. it may work for you. for others, in production environments, experience dictates the opposite. [06:46] to paraphrase a famous quote about swappiness, i'm going to cover my ears and say "la la la la" and stay with the current stable version 8-) [06:46] yep, and i realize that [06:46] http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs180.snc3/20748_221028167117_747932117_3125005_4555433_n.jpg [06:46] goarilla (n=goarilla@122.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [06:46] urthwrm, not all faith is [06:46] hehehe [06:46] tewmten: HAHAHA [06:46] Zordrak: oh, and the pleasure to report a new OOPS for my wifi card ;-) [06:47] so today we got 14 inches of snow and the think we're going to get more [06:47] lol [06:47] i already love Japan 8-) [06:47] tewmten: thanks. i forgot what 2004 was like :) [06:47] ananke: it's a blast from the past :) [06:47] OH NO IT DOESN"T [06:47] tewmten: tinyurl? [06:47] Zordrak: enlarge your terminal! [06:47] hmm. what made me think it does. [06:48] tewmten: irc is- on a dedicated box in tty2 [06:48] probably on 32.3 it does. [06:48] no c&p [06:48] my God has thousands of people worldwide willing to travel worldwide in austere conditions to suffer die for Him, yours has a hand full of geeks behind computer screens. any questions? 8-) [06:48] Zordrak: oh i c [06:48] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [06:48] i dont even have physical access to the box where my irc is running [06:49] usually i retype links... but im not retyping that :) [06:49] Apparently, when installing Slackware in a VM, I screwed up a boot configuration option... And I also apparently set LILO to boot instantly (without a wait period) which means I can't edit the boot command before it boots. Is there any way I can reinstall LILO from the install CD? [06:49] Delahunt: a handfull of geeks behind computer screens? man that's Thor [06:49] tewmten: IRC is actually running on my home server inside screen.. but at work i hook up to it in tty2 in a separate machine to the one i work on [06:49] not some made up anime chick with cutsie eyes and big boobs [06:49] :D [06:49] Paragone, yes there is [06:50] boot your system from the install cd [06:50] so [06:50] I have to complile it into the kernel? [06:50] I have to get a copy of my current config first right [06:50] I only done thsi once and failed about downgrading kernel [06:50] there are instructions how to boot your system with the isntall cd on the boot screen [06:50] Oh [06:51] Paragone: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/29/re-installing-lilo-from-a-slackware-boot-cd/ [06:51] Well, I feel dumb. Thank you. :) [06:51] they are somthing like this: huge.s root= /dev/*d** ro [06:51] don't remember the syntax [06:52] that will boot you into the system [06:52] if sda1 is your root partition, then 'huge root=/dev/sda1 ro' comes to mind [06:52] Zordrak, thanks. That's more in line with what I was looking for. :) [06:53] however, it looks like you are working with slackware install in a vm?> [06:53] ? [06:53] Yeah, it's hda [06:53] (@alisonken1noc) [06:53] hda is not a vm [06:54] No, I mean the nomenclature for the system... It's hda, not sda. [06:55] ok [06:55] Uses IDE emulation, not SATA [06:55] o.O [06:55] garme (n=garme@201009106017.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:55] ok - your earlier comment made me thing you were having problems with slackware in a vm [06:56] No, no - sorry. I'm tired, not quite sure why I added that bit. :) [06:56] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [06:57] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [06:57] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:00] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.199.13) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:00] I have to complile it into the kernel? [07:01] why can I just install it as a module [07:01] Patero-ng: what? [07:01] I can patch or recompile the whole kernel and why so because is this about security? [07:03] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Patero-ng: it's simple. The kernel needs to be looking at the IO data in order for an application to read that data. If your kernel does NOT track that data, you have to make a new one that does. [07:04] is this more low lvl then [07:06] Nick change: zecafig -> zecasmoke [07:07] mario (n=mario@213.147.122.31) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:07] jg71_ (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [07:07] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. 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I put the module r8169 in my initrd and it works, but when I re-compile kernel with this initrd the module is loaded but the interface is not loaded [07:12] which characters are you looking for? arabic? hebrew? japanese? thai? greek? cyrilic? [07:13] Zordrak: Any other idea? [07:14] well i use layout lv and with the default variant it gives me special characters if I press the alt key and hold [07:14]  [07:14] like this [07:14] osiro, the question is, why do you want to have your initrd inside the kernel? (i hear about this first time, tbh) [07:15] osiro, specify it to lilo, and be done with it [07:16] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:16] as much as i know, there are 2 choices [07:16] osiro, other consideration, you don't have to put the module for your network card into the initrd. do you need networking on the kernel loading stage? no you don't. just let it be loaded by udev. [07:16] one is to compile modules into the kernel [07:16] or compile them as modules, and use initrd [07:17] that is about modules needed for booting [07:17] zux, fail. you only need to provide storage and fs modules on bootup. the peripherals will get loaded by udev. [07:17] slava_dp: cause I put a binary inside initrd to decrypt some partitions... [07:17] osiro, over the network? [07:18] output of lsdev & lshal showing device(s)? [07:18] well that's what i do, i have the sata controllers modules and fs modules in initrd [07:20] Action: slava_dp hath no initrd. use Zordrak's guide ;) [07:20] Zordrak: no [07:21] osiro, ok, so you have a binary that decrypts based on your hardware. that explains it [07:22] Action: slava_dp wants such a binary [07:22] slava_dp: yes, and I wanna put it inside the initrd... [07:22] osiro, is it free, or a custom one? [07:23] slava_dp: custum one, our team of developers created it [07:23] is there a command like on ubuntun called aptget [07:23] that you can install most things fast [07:23] from te internet [07:23] Patero-ng: sbopkg [07:23] Patero-ng, http://sbopkg.org [07:24] the official unofficial manager for the unofficial official slackbuild repository. [07:24] slava_dp: the binary works well, and we could decrypt, only the interfaces are my problem... [07:26] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] slava_dp: fyi i use "semifficial" [07:26] osiro, and you can't use a separate initrd, only have to get it inside the kernel? [07:27] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:27] slava_dp: I thought sbo was officially unofficial :P [07:27] ... for the official semifficial .... etc [07:28] osiro: i cannot think of a reason why the interface would be unavailable so long as the correct module is definitely loaded. if you rmmod the module and then modprobe it again, what appears in dmesg? [07:29] s/rmmod/modprobe -r/ [07:30] slava_dp: I think I'm gonna use a separate initrd.... I got r8169: PCI INT A disabled [07:31] Zordral: r8169: pci int a disabled [07:32] I tried to restart udev too... but the problem persists [07:34] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:36] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:37] iirc you can have this message without it being a problem for network [07:37] Nick change: zecasmoke -> zecafig [07:37] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-63-134.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:38] _juan (i=500@190.204.142.118) joined ##slackware. [07:38] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] Axius (n=oijhif@92.85.214.182) joined ##slackware. [07:39] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-63-134.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Axius (n=oijhif@92.85.214.182) left irc: Client Quit [07:41] <_juan> i cannot connect with knetattach with an ip adress with 12 digits [07:42] 123456789.0.1.2? [07:42] osiro: the "PCI INT A" message is on remove, right? if so.. what messages appear during insert? [07:43] <_juan> take mine for example 200.109.137.211 [07:44] that's ok, I have one of my own thank you :) [07:45] _juan: you're trying to connect to a LAN ip? [07:46] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [07:47] <_juan> there is no router, just a modem connected to a switch that feeds 3 computers [07:47] are you sure these computers are actually reachable for the required ports? [07:48] Zordrak: no.. when I insert I receive this message... after modprobe... [07:50] garme_ (n=garme@201008113150.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:50] <_juan> Camarade_Tux will have to check that...brb [07:50] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:51] osiro: then im really not sure. there is a certain amount of discussion about bugs with the r8169 driver.. but if you're talking about a difference between different compiles of the same kernel, it doesnt make a whole lot of sense. [07:51] unless its not the r8169 driver.. 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[08:09] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222373 [08:10] I filed a "polkit sucks" bug, because there wasn't one on there yet :) [08:11] alienBOB: the gentoo people know about the polkit patch [08:11] alienBOB, have Pat drop kde for a week or something publically, maybe that'll light a fire :> [08:11] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [08:12] polkit sounds like something people in russia would strike you with [08:12] alienBOB: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291116 [08:12] thats vodka [08:12] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:13] theres also http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core/63047 [08:13] irrelevant to kit [08:15] slava_dp, I use 3g modem, ppp connection is on. but ping to google or other sites is off. [08:15] would > b) Fix polkit to work with a shadow backend (no idea how difficult this is) [08:15] solve the problem? [08:15] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-159-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:15] Camarade_Tux: read the rest of that bug. [08:16] Xeliaa (i=Hyena@lain.mystydragon.com) left irc: "WTS 1 Hyena to the lowest bidder!" [08:17] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-159-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:17] NaCl: I mean, would PolKit be integrated into slackware then, effectively removing the problem for kde? [08:17] youd never get the upstream to take it [08:17] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:17] GooseGOne: David Zeuthen said that he'd accept patches [08:18] Nick change: GooseGOne -> GooseYArd [08:18] no joke [08:18] huh [08:18] well thats encouraging [08:18] Camarade_Tux: not likely. That patch is for polkit-1, not PolicyKit. [08:18] And looking at my patch, it seems I need to clean it up a little bit. :P [08:19] how far along are you? [08:19] what would be a good method to have virtualized XP a top of slack? [08:19] GooseYArd: The attached patch (AFAICT) works. [08:19] NaCl: ok, polkit isn't policykit, gasp, can't they find better names? >< [08:19] i had win2k running with virtualbox good [08:20] GooseYArd: I just need to strip my debugging stuff before I submit it to davidz [08:20] guax (n=guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [08:20] and make sure that I didn't drop some stuff. [08:20] ok, gotta try virtualbox then [08:20] in fvwm i had win2k running in fullscreen so good that if you did not know it you would not even know it was virtualized [08:21] I have tried qemu before but it crashed randomly [08:21] was easy to make my school assignments with it... [08:21] Camarade_Tux: ask davidz about that one. [08:21] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:22] NewManInSlackwar (n=opera@195.22.110.35) left irc: [08:22] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:22] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:22] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.199.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:22] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:22] NaCl, that's quite the patch :) [08:23] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:23] It would be much smaller if I didn't transplant a file. [08:23] zmyrgel, virtualbox [08:24] zmyrgel, i've got xp installed just two days ago, works awesome. [08:24] ScreamerX (n=screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [08:24] ok, good to know [08:24] omg its gonna be freakin hell [08:24] mm... does the virtualbox work with slack64? [08:25] zmyrgel: yes [08:25] sahk0: eh? [08:25] yeah! [08:25] zmyrgel, of course it does. it can do even 64 on 32. [08:25] really, my vote is to omit it all. [08:25] ok, gotta see if I have time to install it tonight [08:26] slava_dp: that would be really slow. :P [08:26] virtualbox works pretty well, I have to say :&) [08:26] NaCl, as long as your cpu is vt-x or amd-v capable, it's not so slow. [08:26] although my boxen tend to run vmware workstation [08:26] 64 on 32? [08:26] when was the last version of fvwm released? [08:26] You better mean 32 on 64. :P [08:27] in 1864 [08:27] you can do 64 on 32, not sure you want though ;-) [08:27] lol [08:27] actually, 64 on 32 might be possible [08:27] but you'd need to have a 64-bit proc [08:27] It is. [08:27] slava_dp it almost look like it :P [08:27] NaCl: I'm not complaining too loudly about naming issues, I suck quite a lot at naming my own software ;-) [08:27] cause the hypervisor doesn't actually virtualize the proc [08:27] cause in the site i only see older screenshots [08:28] *full* virt [08:28] Camarade_Tux: I didn't really even name mine. :P [08:28] from 2k3 2k4 [08:28] Axius (n=gi@92.85.214.182) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:28] NaCl: hehe :P [08:28] thrice`: when's HAL going to die and be replaced with DeviceKit? [08:29] DeviceKit+udev, anyway. [08:30] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:30] redtricycle (n=redtricy@web75.webfaction.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:31] HAL is already deprecated, and DeviceKit requires PK and CK, IIRC. [08:32] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:35] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:35] techwonder (n=techwond@c-76-25-159-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:38] I have reached a personal stage of principle-apathy on this stuff. We can fight all we like but the truth is not implementing pam, pk, dk etc is just going to make life harder for us. We can choose the hard route.. and sometimes its the right thing to do.. but some times you just need to say fuck it and move on.. and after years of pushing in the opposite direction i reckon its time to just suck it up and move with it.. starting with pam [08:38] thats certain [08:38] i have expressed this to Pat, so have some others, along with specific reasoning.. but ultimately, it's his ship and all we can do is suck it and see [08:39] the is just going to make life harder part* [08:40] reading thrices bug it sounds like the kde problem can be resolved with some bug reports and a kauth hack [08:40] if you put PAM in slackware then slackware is having sex with every other distro PAM had sex with [08:40] ahah [08:40] i had pam [08:41] well, in my younger days ....... [08:41] ahah [08:41] back in your experimental phase [08:41] I'm not using gnome or kde or xfce, I'm pretty happy without pam [08:42] actually, I was thinking of a slender blonde in San Diego [08:42] same here, fvwm, openbox will do fine for me [08:42] the same as hal, introducing it is going to be a pain in the arse.. but if its gonna happen sooner or later, sooner will make life easier in the long run [08:42] Camarade_Tux: if *kits gets implemented you wont have a choice either :P [08:42] before computers [08:43] huh [08:43] Camarade_Tux: pam isnt so much about DEs.. there are more and more things turning up in the wilrd that wont even compile without pam [08:43] are the bsd guys having the same problem with policykit [08:43] Camarade_Tux: and native LDAP auth is a three way clusterfuck that pam would solve [08:43] etc [08:43] sahk0: well, I haven't really read about *kit and I'd be happier if I didn't have in order to use my computer ;-) [08:43] Zordrak: PAM solves other problems too. [08:43] zord: yah it would be nice to do pkcs#11 logins [08:44] GooseYArd: like that and biometrics [08:44] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [08:44] Zordrak: hmmm, I had forgotten about ldap (I don't use it), I had kde, gnome, vmware in mind but yes... =/ [08:44] those biometric fingerprint readers on laptops use PAM [08:44] indeed. There was a time when I would push against PAM and try to work other ways to prevent pam coming in... but theres a point where you have to cut your losses and accept when the battle is lost.. and we're just about there [08:44] huge fan of the fingerprint reader [08:45] or fork everything [08:45] people [08:45] hi Patero-ng [08:45] I have a doubt since you all use linux [08:45] I wonder if you support the war against microsoft [08:46] and fight google influence on our communication [08:46] no I'd like to work there [08:46] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:46] because I am worry about the NwO taht can see what we do [08:46] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:46] our goverments and secret police [08:47] I go to the shooting range and shoot at microsoft logos or pictures of microsoft executives -_- [08:47] Action: BP{k} shoots at pictures of kittens. [08:47] to fight insurgencies not necessearly violent but thurt filosofies and ideas [08:47] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:47] for example you probably already know [08:47] jg71_ (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:47] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [08:47] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:48] if someone is going to tv discuss an issue on certain controversiality they check the persons logs [08:48] Patero-ng: Mostly, those who care, dont discuss it in ##slackware [08:48] the us federal govt. can barely read their own email, let alone yours [08:48] see what sites he visits and use it agaisnt him if was anything ilegal [08:48] GooseYArd, I see you been infected by misinformation [08:48] Patero-ng: Yeah.. you can stop now. [08:48] no im a contractor [08:48] Patero-ng and GooseYArd: that's a discussion for ##slackware-offtopic [08:49] i havent got energy for that [08:49] im exhausted at one comment [08:50] paterno careful dont get bong water on the rug btw [08:50] theblackerbox (n=sammo@78.146.154.195) joined ##slackware. [08:50] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:51] zord I presume somebody has rolled up some pam packages and submitted them as candidates at least a few times? [08:51] itd be interesting to see what level of pain-in-assery wed be talking about [08:52] GooseYArd: people have made their own inroads into pam for their own systems (and it is a song road) but i dont know that anyone has submitted anything to Pat for some time as his position on PAM has been reasonably clear. [08:52] GooseYArd: try very high. [08:52] whats his objection btw [08:52] If he makes the decision to go with it, I definitely think it is something he would want the core team to implement from scratch anyway [08:53] Zordrak: yes, it would have to be. [08:53] GooseYArd: primarily that it is/was unnecessary overcomplication that violates KISS [08:53] techwonder (n=techwond@c-76-25-159-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] yah [08:53] Zirdrak: reasonably? [08:53] as in "reasonably clear"? :) [08:53] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B1381A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Zordrak: ^^^^ [08:54] GooseYArd: lots of stuff will need recom[iling [08:54] alisonken1noc: well.. it was general but vague and sometimes changing.. recently he has provided much more clarity on his position [08:54] I want to know if slackware can get infected with viruses [08:54] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:54] on a pc [08:54] hang on i need to switch clients, I can't remember how to ignore on this one [08:54] GooseYArd (n=bailey9@topquark.roadkill.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:54] Patero-ng: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+viruses [08:55] Patero-ng: any computer can get infected - just some are easier than others (like MS) [08:55] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:56] If you are interested, the following is direct quotation from Pat: [08:56] Patero-ng: Also if you want to write a virus, would you bother with linux? [08:56] "I know a lot of people seem to think that I'm totally anti-PAM, but that's really not the case. I am, however, against making things more complex without very good reason, especially where security is concerned. I'm aware that more and more things are pretty much expecting PAM on the system, and we've been taking a careful look at it. If we do decide to move to using it, we won't be rushing into it, and I don't foresee using it in the ne [08:56] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:56] using it in the ne [08:56] ar future [08:56] hah [08:56] yozzer (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] GooseYArd (n=GooseYAr@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] rest was cut off [08:57] sahk0: did my message get truncated? [08:57] yes [08:57] ahh [08:57] I don't foresee using it in the next Slackware release, but it's possible in the next major overhaul (Slackware 14). It all depends on how testing goes, and to what extent we'd be forgoing useful functionality if we don't start to base things on it." [08:57] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:57] Nick change: theblackerbox -> theblackbox [08:57] Action: NaCl was wrong. :P [08:58] For context that was 23/11/2009 [08:58] although, I can understand his position, pam does add another layer of complexity [08:58] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.199.13) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:58] If the two polkit-related problems are resolved, then PAM can more likely be avoided. [08:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] s/two/two technical [08:59] oh heh, the bsd people did start using it [09:00] FreeBSD [09:00] dlant (n=dlant@245.89.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:00] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.53.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:00] presumably not mr. de raadt [09:00] fbsd even has the kits for almost a year [09:01] maybe even more [09:01] NaCl, devicekit is obsolete now, for udisk, havent' you heard? :) [09:02] heheh [09:02] what?! [09:02] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/devkit-devel/2009-December/000567.html [09:02] it sounds like if you just wait long enough, these things will take care of themselves [09:02] another fucktard.., I mean, brilliant redhat move :> [09:02] really... [09:03] unix disks is my interpetation [09:04] It's probably the same as the u un udev [09:04] linux != unix [09:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:06] i liked it better when unix was maintained by heavyset bearded men in research labs [09:06] so far, we have policykit -> polkit (not compatable with each other), then hal -> devicekit -> devicekit-{disk,power} -> u{disk,power} [09:06] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:07] guys, i'm setting the kbdrate on the console, but it sets itself back [09:07] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [09:07] i'putting a delay like 1 ms and it gets back to 250ms and 30.3 hits [09:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:08] thrice`: PK and CK should be merged together and called ukit [09:08] plutonium (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:08] plutonium (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [09:08] lol. NOBODY gets em right [09:10] john_dee (n=chatzill@95-29-15-252.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Mp3: if you are in X you should use xset i think [09:10] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:10] not in x, just the console for now [09:10] i'm trying to figure it out [09:10] john_dee (n=chatzill@95-29-15-252.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [09:10] i cant decide how I feel about rxvt-unicode [09:12] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:13] guax (n=guax@201.47.74.147) joined ##slackware. [09:13] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:13] GooseYArd: have you tried mrxvt? [09:14] Axius (n=oijhif@92.85.214.182) joined ##slackware. [09:15] nope [09:15] whats its claim to fame [09:15] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-190-182.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] it takes about a second or more to start repeating [09:16] xmonad people kept remarking that my terminals would never resize properly unless I used urxvt, but I can't tell any difference [09:17] i'm using kbdrate -r 30 -d 250 [09:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.22) left irc: [09:17] GooseYArd: greetings :) [09:17] oh hey hows it going man? [09:18] It's still early :/ [09:18] ssl connections! [09:18] im trying to focus my telekinetic powers to make the coffee pot float down the hall [09:18] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.206.49) joined ##slackware. [09:18] alienBOB: actualy you are using KeePass ? [09:18] GooseYArd: sounds like many people I know. :P [09:18] hehe. I had a Coca-Cola, but it doesn't seem to be helping. [09:18] alienBOB: are you using KeePass actualy? [09:20] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.27) joined ##slackware. [09:20] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:20] no one can help? [09:22] allend (n=allend@glpp-p-144-139-39-54.prem.tmns.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:22] you tried xset? [09:22] in the console? [09:23] nope, gonna try it [09:25] xset is for window managers, i'm trying to set it in the console, not using X right now [09:26] oh duh i thought you just meant a terminal [09:26] :) [09:26] nope [09:26] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [09:26] i tried using kbdrate but isn't changing anything [09:26] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:27] man its been a long time since I tried to set that [09:27] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.29.148) joined ##slackware. [09:27] gar0t0: I used to... nowadays I just use a truecrypt container [09:27] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [09:28] ah, that's ok [09:28] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [09:28] thanks [09:29] Mp3, i have only seen keyboard rate in the kernel configuration. [09:29] alienBOB: hmm!! ok :) [09:29] alienBOB: thank you [09:29] :D [09:29] KeePass is a good software [09:30] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-159.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:32] on my old machine, the bios tried to do key repeat for you [09:32] and if it was set lower than the terminal drivers threshold, it won [09:33] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-omlfvgewmopscssm) joined ##slackware. [09:34] hmmm [09:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] maybe vmwaere bios is setting it [09:34] oh hah if youre in vmware who the hell knows [09:36] sorry i didn't inform earlier [09:36] vbox > vmware [09:36] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:38] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] _juan (i=500@190.204.142.118) left irc: "Leaving" [09:41] why does slackware ship mans in /usr/man when the standard location is /usr/share/man? i've got another to-be-made package that does not respect --mandir here. [09:44] ScreamerX (n=screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: "bye" [09:45] /usr/man is more unix-ish [09:46] /usr/share/man is a symlink to /usr/man so i just ignore that [09:46] same with /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/info [09:46] Axius (n=oijhif@92.85.214.182) left irc: "Leaving" [09:46] all pointing to /usr/doc & /usr/info [09:48] they aren't suppoesd to go there. [09:48] i dont care, the symlinks will redirect them to the proper location [09:50] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:50] allend (n=allend@glpp-p-144-139-39-54.prem.tmns.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [09:50] SBo admins don't approve builds with /usr/share/man. [09:50] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:50] I have a question [09:51] can slackware get viruses [09:51] lol [09:51] if you run them with wine, sure it can. [09:51] lol [09:51] Patero-ng: sure :) it depends on how careless you are. [09:51] Patero-ng, just use your brain. [09:52] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:52] with wine? you mean when am drunk [09:53] ok I'll tell my friends thanks [09:53] tell your friends in highschool linux is harder to get infected [09:53] most of them who haven't try linux will do [09:54] anyone here uses xmms [09:54] k [09:54] is a really fast media player [09:54] for mp3 at least [09:54] it uses only 1% of my cpu a p3 850mhz [09:55] what about mpg123? :P [09:55] don't know [09:55] Doesn't gave a UI. [09:55] mpg123 some_file.mp3 [09:56] can it do visualizations [09:56] i need those [09:56] xine can [09:56] well, some of the, [09:56] vhargon (n=geno@125-237-32-88.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [09:56] i need something to be flashing or squiggling, so I can get my groove on [09:57] audacious it my fav ;) [09:57] GooseYArd: yea you can do that with audacious. [09:58] I just loaded audiacias but is taking soo long to show upo [09:58] it didn't [09:58] .... how come [09:59] Patero-ng: disable the plugins etc that you don't want. [09:59] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] how am I going to disablewit if I can't load it [09:59] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.206.49) left irc: "Leaving" [09:59] Patero-ng: well once it loads i meant. [10:00] is audacios open source? [10:00] Patero-ng: ofcourse not. [10:00] Action: init[1] :D [10:00] why not [10:00] is it or not else I dont' wanna use it [10:00] i like xmms [10:00] tewmten (i=tew@78.40.39.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:00] yea [10:01] it has good eqaulizer I feel the change in the equalizer when broadcasting over teamspeak music [10:02] so [10:02] what software is not open source on linux [10:02] it can act agaisnt you [10:02] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [10:02] so that's my next question then [10:02] what software is not open source in bt3 [10:03] Patero-ng: why do you want it to be oss ? [10:03] waht? [10:03] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.214.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:03] open sound system [10:04] tuvok302Lappy (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-54.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:04] why do I want it to be open source? [10:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.199.13) joined ##slackware. [10:04] gify :) first result :) good luck. [10:04] because else we may have microsoft software insdie [10:04] without out knowlege [10:05] the only popular thing I use in my life is firefox [10:05] what gify means? [10:05] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.214.149) joined ##slackware. [10:05] :) [10:05] I stopped it using it for being so popular and started using opera [10:05] but went back to firefox even tou is popular cuz is open [10:05] you stopped using just because it is popular? [10:05] what about clothes, they're popular [10:05] 0_0 [10:06] because if is popular is designed and supported by the elite [10:06] to manipulate us [10:06] Patero-ng: oh sorry ;) giyf [10:06] but firefox is open so there is nothing to hide [10:06] sound's like kids stoping listening to their favorite bands because somebody else likes it [10:06] I like Godsmack [10:06] they're the best and they're not popular anymore [10:07] who's more popular Daddy J? [10:07] hip hop metnally ill people [10:07] i don't like hip hop :P [10:07] u got it [10:07] just because it sux [10:07] not because it's popular [10:08] Action: init[1] thinks Patero-ng has split personality ;) [10:08] .win 8 [10:08] I dont' dislike popul;ar because most people use it [10:08] init[1] what's gify? :) [10:08] I dislike it cuz I find it suspicious [10:09] after all if most people agree there is something wrong because most people are stupid [10:09] 0_0 [10:09] that's a direct quote from me [10:09] Mp3: well i corrected it check back few lines ;) [10:10] ah [10:10] giyf [10:10] goolgeing it [10:10] googleing* [10:10] Patero-ng, reconsider your attitude. go read some papers on http://www.gnu.org please. [10:10] ah [10:10] :P [10:10] google is your friend [10:10] :P [10:10] is not [10:10] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:11] why in a channlelike this all about security and slackware [10:11] have to mention that word [10:11] Action: slava_dp 's day is over. bye bye everyone. [10:11] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:11] Patero-ng: please /join #fsf [10:11] ech (n=me@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [10:11] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-74-212-19-103-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] for what [10:12] gonna take a shower, too damn hot in here [10:12] you take a shower because is hot? [10:12] you probably don't have nothing to do then shower [10:13] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui embora" [10:16] is Patero-ng still blathering his drivel? [10:16] I still haven't hear [10:16] anyone that shows supports for my cause [10:16] no idea [10:17] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [10:18] slacker? nice name [10:18] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-159-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [10:18] :) [10:18] Patero-ng about 40ºC in here [10:19] wow [10:19] where do u libe in australia [10:19] brazil [10:20] mentira [10:20] hahaha [10:20] serio [10:20] :P [10:20] pura falsedad [10:20] no shit :P [10:20] brazil has banned most of the internet [10:21] ? [10:21] same as china but obama hypocract says china has the right to censor information that can hurt the knowledge or some shit after using the internert as the emblem of freedom [10:21] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [10:21] brqzil banned nothing [10:21] cuz now america plans to censor the internet [10:22] you use vnc [10:22] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:22] are u in brazil right now? [10:22] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.130.213) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:22] all those muslim countries have censored internet too [10:23] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@2001:7a8:34d5:0:0:0:e:667) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:23] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@2001:7a8:34d5:0:0:0:e:667) joined ##slackware. [10:23] yes i am [10:23] tell me if you can visit this site [10:23] http://hellfireclub.viviti.com [10:23] is my website [10:23] Patero-ng: you should ban IRC and log out of here, were all undercover FBI agents and were going to be visiting you soon [10:24] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [10:24] noob [10:24] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] the fbi doens't publicly anounce they are @ some place [10:24] I know they're watching me [10:25] my day would go a lot faster if I remembered to type -j4 more often [10:25] so if u mr smith is watching this let me tell you the warisnt' over until I say is over [10:25] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:25] GooseYArd does it split the instances between the cores? [10:25] or just run paralel in 1 core [10:25] hey brazilian [10:26] did u watch my websiter [10:26] i don't speak spanish [10:26] :) [10:26] you can? [10:26] but i can understand most of it [10:26] whatever the scheduler does but they wind up on their own cpus most of the time [10:27] brazil = portuguese [10:27] brazil = brazilian [10:27] brazil is not the same as portugal they dont' have that many blacks [10:27] man i love brazil [10:27] never been though [10:28] lol george bush didn't know brazil had black people [10:28] it's good in here [10:28] i rate it [10:28] =~ [10:28] hate* [10:28] but i don't like the heat :( [10:28] no man brazil is depressing [10:28] shutup patero [10:28] you're crazy [10:28] real whites account for 3-5% [10:28] i lived in a brazilian neighborhood near boston [10:28] i'm white [10:28] :) [10:28] so we had the rodizia [10:29] rodizio rlz [10:29] is depresive because I know people that went to brazil and came back before they were told [10:29] when on a mission or something [10:29] and hundreds of beautiful brazilian girls [10:29] yea hundreds [10:29] GooseYArd best bbq is brazilian :) [10:29] but america has millions [10:29] Patero-ng: do you live in europe? [10:29] so you know what i mean [10:29] I am peruvian [10:29] but I ate so much food i became fat and the brazilian women had no interest in me [10:29] i blame it all on the bbq [10:29] hehehe [10:29] is ur own stupidity [10:29] toytoy (n=dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Mp3: Patero-ng please move your topic to ##slackware-offtopic :) [10:30] Patero-ng: so i think you have a lot of mestizos too? [10:30] meh [10:30] no one is talking about anything in here [10:30] lol, did nt see it is slackware =P [10:30] if there was anything else [10:30] Mp3: its better idle. [10:30] sorry [10:30] americans dont' knoow how to eat nor cook [10:30] better idle? [10:30] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:31] ok then [10:31] iddle it is [10:31] mp3 your idle [10:31] idle* [10:31] mp3 you use slackware in english or portugues [10:31] Mp3: please its like people here have notification on for particular channel so when off topic is on the go. its kinda irritating. [10:32] 2.6.33-rc4 is supposed to have some nouveau fixes, but I still havent found any bugs in it yet [10:32] in english [10:32] all my OS is in english [10:32] I have spanish xp [10:32] Axius (n=fd@92.85.214.182) joined ##slackware. [10:32] but office like tools are in portuguese [10:32] but I can understnad english but not my dad [10:33] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:33] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Patero-ng go to offtopic channel too [10:34] so people don't complain [10:34] Axius (n=fd@92.85.214.182) left irc: Client Quit [10:37] Axius (n=fd@92.85.214.182) joined ##slackware. [10:40] sirslack1r (n=sirslack@p54B1381A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. 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[10:53] Axius_ (n=fd@92.84.7.230) left irc: Client Quit [10:53] Axius_ (n=fd@92.84.7.230) joined ##slackware. [10:56] What is the permanent way to set environment variables like PATH?. Using PATH= command in a terminal has only a temporary effect as I don't get it on new instance of a terminal. [10:56] Axius (n=fd@92.85.214.182) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:56] add it to your shell init file [10:56] try setting it on the init script [10:57] for bash what would that be?. I found .bashrc but I don't have it here. [10:57] if you want it permanent for that session, use set or export [10:58] or declare or whatever [10:58] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:59] .bashrc or sorry forgot the other file have not used bash in a while but you can just make .bashrc [10:59] GooseYArd I would like it to remain even after reboot. [10:59] what kitche said [10:59] .bash_profile maybe [11:00] ok thanks. [11:00] sometimes .bash_login, you need a cheat sheet to remember which one is which [11:00] that would make a great tattoo actually [11:00] lechiffre: man bash [11:00] GooseYard lol Is there a cheat sheet actually? [11:01] init[1] thanks. [11:01] the manpage, if you can remember what uppercase thing to check for [11:01] Hmmm.. okay. [11:02] ah yeah search for "INVOCATION" [11:02] it explains why so many dotfiles, and what each one is for [11:03] actually not to sound like a unix snob, but the bash faq is freaking awesome [11:03] i learned all kinds of tricks from it [11:03] bash faq? [11:04] yah just google bash faq, its the first hit [11:04] ok thanks GooseYard [11:04] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "A little boy who had a big hallucination..." 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[11:24] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [11:28] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:28] Axius (n=fd@92.84.7.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:31] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:31] hacfed (n=fed@host86-173-108-105.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:36] I see someone is working on their bash-fu [11:36] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:36] fu [11:36] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] tooly (n=tooly@e178140036.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:38] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Nick change: linXea-Desktop -> linXea [11:41] Mkman (n=tiago@bl6-37-109.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:41] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left ##slackware. [11:41] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [11:41] Hi [11:45] jeev (n=email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [11:46] hcfd (n=fed@host86-173-108-105.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] hello [11:48] can linux do games [11:48] Patero-ng: try google: 'linux games' [11:48] what you dont' know? [11:49] what, besides being a troll, you're also retarded? [11:49] am a troll? [11:49] why ur instulting me [11:49] because you're a retard [11:49] for waht [11:50] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:50] Patero-ng: before asking simplistic questions, please do some research. That includes googling. [11:50] he just calle mde stupid [11:50] Patero-ng: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [11:50] I want to know what has misinformators [11:50] have said about me [11:51] Patero-ng: please read the URL I just gave you. [11:51] I know I can yahoo it [11:51] Patero-ng: yes, i did. based on your input in this channel for the past couple of hours [11:51] Patero-ng: then stop asking stupid questions, please. [11:51] did you ever ask me a question ananke about my speech [11:52] you just don't belive in wahtever you heard me speak [11:52] Patero-ng: arguing with the regulars will not get you anywhere, either. [11:52] tell him to remove my label [11:52] he calle dme a troll and I found it offensve when I'm just trying to wake people up regarding os security [11:53] Patero-ng: I won't do anything. You will behave, and read the link I gave you. [11:53] ok I will behave after I say this: ananke you troll [11:53] .. [11:53] sigh. [11:54] Action: init[1] searhing for Patero-ng feeding bottle .. :D [11:54] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] feed urself init [11:55] Patero-ng: kindly use [tab] key complete my nick ... ;-) and so you prooved your self to be someone. [11:56] jickjick (n=gio@120.164.10.25) joined ##slackware. [11:57] mrunderstood (n=mrunders@69.63.23.156) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [11:59] jickjick (n=gio@120.164.10.25) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:00] Patero-ng: I never authorized you to send me a private message. [12:01] Patero-ng: keep going like this, and I'll file a complaint with the ops. [12:01] sorry i'll be the lat time I swear [12:01] I only sent you one msg [12:01] Patero-ng: I don't care. I never said it was OK to begin with. [12:01] I want u to ban init1 [12:01] rworkman: ping? [12:03] thumbs, ur acting like a small child [12:03] I would have not send you shit if I knew you can't do it [12:04] Patero-ng: for what should i be banned ? do specify your reason. [12:04] Patero-ng: ##slackware: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [12:04] init1 stop sending me red msgs [12:04] o_O [12:04] ur not my king ok [12:04] red messages ? [12:04] I tried to give valid points earlier [12:05] Patero-ng: you're well on your way to get banned, must I remind you. [12:05] I need respect [12:05] am not getting it [12:05] just for argueing it is not a fault [12:06] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:06] Patero-ng: this really isn't the channel for this [12:07] for waht? [12:07] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.115.185) joined ##slackware. [12:07] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Action: init[1] pings slackboy [12:07] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ggoayawyurlducvf) left irc: [12:08] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-94-75.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:08] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [12:11] why hasnt an ops banned/kicked Patero-ng out of here yet? [12:11] because I use slackware [12:11] andI have issues with it [12:12] Patero-ng: ask specific questions then. [12:12] you have issues allright [12:12] I did a while ago [12:13] Patero-ng: care to repeat it? [12:13] I got solved most of them [12:13] but other questions were left unanswered like my usb2.0 card not getting installed from boot [12:14] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] check lsmod for ehci, lsmod | grep ehci [12:14] Patero-ng: define "not getting installed" [12:14] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-67-75.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [12:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:14] I did dmesg | usb [12:15] Patero-ng: respect in this channel is earned, not demanded [12:15] and it gives me the status of the installtion [12:15] Patero-ng: define "not getting installed" [12:15] it gets irq11 conflict [12:16] for no reason cuz when I load slack without pcmcias then insert nic card then usbcab first connecting the usb1 to port for power it does [12:16] but if I load it with both plugged it doens'tr work [12:17] Nick change: zecafig -> zecasmoke [12:18] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-123-76-81.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] I also want to know what can i do to connect to my sata HD from usb with a longer usb cable [12:20] usb maximum length between endpoints is 14 feet - if you want longer you need an active self-powered repeater, and even then there's timing issues [12:20] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] loongsday (n=hub@g229052185.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:23] no 14 feet there is only 4 or 5 feet of distance [12:23] my mistake - direct connection usb is 16 feet max, although the newer high speed usb may be shorter [12:23] but the cable I got has 2 feet and seems can't do longer [12:24] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] you just asked about making it longer, didn't specify how long [12:24] and I know of at least 2 stores locally to my house that sell usb cables up to 16 feet [12:24] you seem to know quite bit [12:24] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.115.185) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:24] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [12:25] I've been into computers since the early 80's and have also worked in the computer field and an electronics store [12:25] I used usb1 earlier same issue apprently is either my extension that's bad ormy sata to usb converto [12:25] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-86-16.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [12:25] hi there folks, i "rm -rf *'ed" as root on / accidentally (one arrow up too much in the console.. arg), but recognized the mistake in an sec or so(lots of can't access /proc/foo)... can i recover the deleted directories, as far as I can see only /bin, /lib64 and /lib64 are deleted [12:25] its ext3 [12:26] loongsday: you can try, but it's not worth your time. Was /etc and /home preserved? [12:27] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:27] loongsday: you can try "slackpkg update && slackpkg reinstall slackware". [12:27] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:27] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:27] is ther ea dif betweem a usb1 and 2 cable? [12:28] Maphiosomirin (n=xoW@189.70.139.52) left irc: Client Quit [12:28] and if I connect a usb1 extension connection to a usb2 willthat cause problems [12:28] no - usb1 and usb2 are electrical/packet standards not cable standards [12:28] home is still there ... etc not unfortunately.. thanks for pointing that out ;) .. but of /etc i have an update from 2 months ago or so... not so much should have change since then.. [12:29] what are you calling usb1 and usb2? the cable connectors? [12:29] yes [12:29] loongsday: ok, then. Reinstall, either with XGizzmo's method, or from the DVD. [12:29] the name for those is usb-a and usb-b connectors [12:29] one extension came with my usb1 nic [12:30] they have extensions for the flat rectangular connector side, but not the squarish connector [12:31] the same problem with using usb1 or 2 connector [12:31] hm kay... should slap me for not having a full system backup [12:31] gets disconnection when using the extension [12:31] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-67-75.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:32] but without using the extension I have to move my sitted laptop very near the HD inside the CAse and I look like a fool [12:32] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78.134.121.157) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Nick change: ness1d0rma -> nessundorma [12:32] and is tidious cuz my laptop is sit with all cables connected to it for the monitor keybard network external floppy popwer [12:32] and audio [12:33] even knowing your statements about wikipedia - have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb - since it's non-political, it 's a useful page to look at for usb [12:34] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [12:35] sdrv (n=notRoot@e176076158.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:36] sdrv (n=notRoot@e176076158.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:36] Nick change: raph0x88 -> raph0x88_tcha_na [12:38] _guitarman_ (n=steve@s207-6-28-60.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78.134.104.195) joined ##slackware. [12:39] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.121.157) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:39] Nick change: ness1d0rma -> nessundorma [12:41] tooly (n=tooly@e178140036.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [12:42] I was reading the usb article [12:43] it says the usb2.0 was released on april 2000 but my laptop is nov 2001 yet it has 1 usb1 [12:43] and is a dell [12:43] intel [12:43] :/ [12:45] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.84) joined ##slackware. [12:45] <_theradar> Anybody have a good method of documenting customisations (installed slackbuilds, third party libraries etc.) before a re-install? [12:45] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:46] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78.134.99.79) joined ##slackware. [12:48] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-86-16.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:48] you have to remember that the companies are usually selling stock when the standards are ratified [12:49] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.104.195) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:49] Nick change: ness1d0rma -> nessundorma [12:49] _theradar: kate? OO.o? pencil and paper? [12:49] or copy customizations to another drive/machine/thumbdrive? [12:49] <_theradar> alisonken1home: yeah a txt file is what I was thinking didn't know if there were any other bright ideas [12:49] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-63-134.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:49] _theradar: or in simple terms you may also use svn . [12:50] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:50] well, there's creating your own man page if you know tex or latex [12:50] <_theradar> init[1]: you mean just keep track of what I have and re-download source when I re-install? [12:50] or git :) [12:50] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-150-28.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [12:50] or copy to another spot [12:51] _theradar: svn docs never said its only meant for source code ;) [12:51] Nick change: zecasmoke -> zecafig [12:51] you can create your own slackbuilds.org server for that as well [12:51] pireau_ (i=1000@208.92.18.115) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Action: init[1] omg alisonken1home is really creative when is comes to slackware ;P [12:51] s/is/it/ [12:51] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-69-137-66-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:52] <_theradar> Hm my own slackbuilds server that is actually a really good idea. [12:52] <_theradar> thanks! [12:52] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] Nick change: raph0x88_tcha_na -> raph0x88 [12:52] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30DA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[13:00] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.99.79) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:00] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [13:00] hello everybody! [13:00] nv4Phil: start off by running 'lssci' [13:01] and make sure your /dev/sdsomething is indeed your pda [13:01] all 'lsscsi' lists is the main laptop hard drive [13:02] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E35E7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [13:02] [2:0:0:0] disk ATA TOSHIBA MK1246GS LB21 /dev/sda [13:02] that's the laptop drive [13:03] dont' post personal information [13:03] _guitarman_ (n=steve@s207-6-28-60.bc.hsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:03] nv4Phil: is there anything else other than /dev/sda listed? [13:04] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] under that command, no. [13:05] alisonken1home, I read it most but can't find the limitation of cable lenght for usb2 and 1 [13:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [13:05] nv4Phil: then it's not available on the scsi bus. i'm not sure what you saw in /var/log/messages, but it's not there now [if it ever was] [13:06] Patero-ng - it was listed there, but not as a hard-rule. it was listed as calculated lengths [13:06] 3 meters for usb1 nand 5 meters for usb2 [13:07] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: "Leaving." [13:08] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Slightly OT. Anyone know how to recover username and password information in website's from firefox's configuration files? [13:10] saved username and password? [13:10] yeah [13:11] It's inside a sqlite database. [13:11] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.44) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:12] hmm - firefox I have on 13.0 v3.5.7 go to preferences->security->saved passwords->click show passwords and look for the website [13:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-123-76-81.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:12] Firefox crashed hard and the only way I've been able to restart it was with a fresh ~/.mozilla/firefox [13:12] alisonken1home: That won't work, since firefox won't start. [13:13] is it trying to load the last page that caused it to crash? [13:13] Alan_Hicks: Try just moving the database only from the crashed one? [13:13] yeah, except that it really wasn't the page that caused it to crash; it just crashed when I tried to close. [13:13] XGizzmo: That's a thought I had, but I wanted to check here first to see if there was a known solution. googling didn't help. [13:13] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] alan can you open the db with the sqlite command line? [13:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-177-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] GooseYArd: yeah, but I got no idea how to proceed from there. [13:16] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [13:16] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [13:16] im not sure if theres a consistency checker for them- if you say ".tables", do you get "moz_disabledHosts" and "moz_logins" ? [13:16] yeah [13:17] hm [13:18] be nice if you could get it to log what it was up to as it crashed, did it dump core? [13:18] brb coffee [13:18] no [13:18] I think it was trying, but I wound up just killing it before it completed as it was taking forever. [13:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [13:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Client Quit [13:18] adamk__ (n=adamk@c-68-45-22-62.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] ah sux [13:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.27) left irc: [13:20] Alan_Hicks: May com in handy http://www.ghidinelli.com/2009/04/15/recover-corrupted-firefox-cookies-sqlite [13:20] those are frustrating- its probably faster just to recreate the profile but man do I hate losing those login sessions [13:20] it could be just a single funky record in one of those tables crashign it [13:21] Actually you may have helped me enough. [13:21] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.7) joined ##slackware. [13:21] I was able to dump the moz_logins table and located the entry. It's encoded, but google might tell me what encoding is used. [13:21] oh nice [13:21] GooseYArd: Right. [13:22] Alan_Hicks: just curious ,would this help you out firefox -ProfileManager [13:22] init[1]: no [13:22] I need to edit my alsa options to try and get my lappy soundcard working, where would I find these? I got an /etc/modprobe.d/sound file that looks promising [13:23] Alan_Hicks: ok , i was thinking creating a dummy profile .. i think that is not the problem any way :) [13:24] alan ah is one of the hashed fields empty or what? [13:24] theblackbox, you tried using alsaconf and it didn't work? [13:24] yeah, just doesn't seem to cut it.... been looking around and seems to be an issue with this lappy in particular [13:25] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [13:27] I am trying to use virtual manager and at the end of creating my new guest and clicking finish i get this error, http://pastebin.org/75629 anyone know why? [13:30] GooseYArd: no [13:34] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:34] did yuo try just dropping the sketchy entry? [13:34] Alan_Hicks: Howdy :D [13:35] GooseYArd: Actually, I have re-created a new profile, a good profile, just minus those signons. I've tried importing the one signon I need, but to no avail so far. Firefox doesn't seem to recognize it. I can view my saved passwords in Preferences, and it doesn't even list it there. [13:35] gar0t0: howdy. [13:35] :) [13:36] Alan_Hicks: you know one institute for exchange ? [13:36] gar0t0: You mean like a College that has foreign echange students? [13:36] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:37] Alan_Hicks: hmm I'm thinking to travel for learn english and work [13:37] college is a good idea [13:37] :D [13:37] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:37] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:37] I need to search about work when I study on college [13:37] gar0t0: Many (most?) major colleges have some sort of foriegn exchange program, but it is expensive. [13:37] I don't know if it's legal [13:39] hello, i was going to upgrade my slackware current and found that most of the packages where duplicated on /var/log/packages o_O [13:39] Alan_Hicks: hmmm!! Good idea :D I need to finish my college [13:39] someone have this problem? i dont know if is a slackpkg issue or pkgtool [13:39] I have [13:39] but don t know who s the problem too [13:39] guax: you might want to be a bit more descriptive, whats duplicated, when, and what did you do? [13:40] Got it! [13:40] w00t [13:40] The solution was to delete signons.sqlite in my new profile, then copy signons3.txt and key.db from the old profile to the new. [13:40] On restart, firefox found not just this signon, but all my old ones going back... years. [13:41] spook: most of the packages are duplicated, and i just did slackpkg upgrades since current to current (after 13.0) example: ntp-4.2.4p7-i486-1 ntp-4.2.4p8-i486-1 [13:41] oh nice [13:41] i'm trying to rebuild the MPlayer package so i can use libdvdcss, but I get this error when running the slackbuild http://pastebin.ca/1749712 [13:42] guax: that just sounds like you broke something. [13:42] i and zecafig [13:42] spook, i have the same problem .. I ll list u the packages [13:42] n I didn't broke anything :) [13:42] yes, you did. [13:42] lol [13:42] There's apparently some other file that interacts with signons.sqlite that must be modified as well. [13:43] spook: nice, now you can stop blaming and we can find what went wrong and mainly, how to fix it [13:43] well tell us about how you broke it [13:43] Basically, I dumped moz_logins on the old profile, found the one line I needed "INSERT $foo" and ran that sql script in the new profile, but that didn't help; firefox didn't seem to recognize it at all. [13:43] that'll make the diagnosis easier [13:44] not blaming, just saying that it is broken. that isnt the way things are meant to be. [13:44] GooseYArd: Difficult, since I broke it a few weeks ago. :^) [13:44] Alan_Hicks: thanks man :) I search about this!! [13:44] i'm not you, so i can't tell you what you've done wrong. [13:44] alan: oh sorry, I meant guax :) [13:44] CarlFr (n=lechiffr@59.92.114.126) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Action: GooseYArd was being mean [13:44] gar0t0: I know the local college here (Mercer University) has a foreign exchange program, but it is very expensive. [13:44] GooseYArd: slackware installed normaly from current using boot usb and http for packages. Then just periodicaly slackpkg upgrade-all's [13:45] Alan_Hicks: hmm [13:45] guax hmm [13:45] me too .. n the packages are thunar-volman-0.2 and 0.3 [13:45] Alan_Hicks: and work ? I need to work too for pay my costs!! :D [13:45] guax: if they both didnt say i486, I'd think you made the same error Idid [13:45] when I run slackpkg upgrade-all [13:45] Anyone care to recommend a good, cheap PoE switch. No more than 4 ports PoE is necessary. [13:46] which was top accidentally change my mirrors file to use i386 instead of x86_64 [13:46] talk about a spectacular disaster [13:46] gar0t0: That I don't know, and Mercer is too expensive to work and pay the costs. [13:46] all of them i486, just different builds or version on normal updates [13:46] Alan_Hicks: i asked my dad, you can get them, but they wont be good AND cheap [13:46] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.179.40) left irc: "Leaving" [13:46] spook: reasonable is ok. [13:46] guax: the only way i can see that happening is using installpkg instead of upgradepkg [13:47] I ll blacklist the older version .. lets try [13:47] Alan_Hicks: sux!! My mother should have married a rich guy!! not my father :~ [13:47] and how would i do that on most of the system packages? 3 times? [13:47] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:47] gar0t0: hahaha [13:47] blacklists apply to all packages by that name, not version specific, iirc [13:47] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.224.163) joined ##slackware. [13:47] gar0t0: then you woudnt have birth [13:47] guax: you tell me. [13:49] guax: :~ [13:50] Vince_ (n=quassel@94-193-185-234.zone7.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:50] saymoo (n=saymooo@unaffiliated/saymoo) joined ##slackware. [13:51] spook: $119. [13:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [13:53] Alan_Hicks: you know who mush money is necessary for study in Mercer University ? [13:53] per month [13:53] +- [13:53] gar0t0: Too much. :-) [13:53] hmm :( [13:54] I'll discuss with my mother again today!! [13:54] :D [13:54] About $10,000 per semester. Figure $2,500 per month. [13:54] O_o [13:54] That's for US residents. No idea what foreigners would pay. [13:55] And yes, I can't afford to go to it either. :^) [13:55] :) [13:55] Most schools are not that expensive. [13:56] i wonder what my school costs now [13:56] gar0t0: http://www.uga.edu/admissions/international.html [13:56] hello there [13:56] _juan (i=500@190.204.142.118) joined ##slackware. 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[14:04] is permited drink on sundays ? or only buy ? [14:05] Only buying is prohibited. [14:05] hmmm!! strange law [14:05] Yes. Nearly all Southern States have such laws. [14:05] hi I have a problem with my slack [14:06] Alan_Hicks: lol [14:06] Eddojh: What's up? [14:06] Alan_Hicks: drink on the streets is permited? [14:06] gar0t0: No. [14:06] if anybody can help me here: http://pastebin.com/m8abc399 [14:07] Alan_Hicks: same in Paulista avenue [14:08] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E35E7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:08] Alan_Hicks: oh sorry here is the problem http://pastebin.com/m8abc399 [14:11] lines 23 & 24 look fatal to X running, the QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine looks like it will just flub up gtk apps in kde [14:11] Eddojh: I'm not sure. I don't diagnose X problems often. [14:11] psy (n=psy@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [14:12] i think fbdev has been discontinued in slack 13, unless you added it [14:12] Eddojh: Is this the first time you are setting up X on this computer? [14:12] Alan_Hicks: yes it is [14:12] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT check out package removals since 12.2 [14:13] Eddojh: We really need to see the full /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. [14:13] Eddojh: Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? [14:13] He doesn't. [14:13] I don't have idea [14:14] Wir3n (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Nick change: Wir3n -> Wiren [14:14] The sleeper wakes [14:15] Alan_Hicks: oh I have a xorg.conf-vesa filein that dir [14:15] Eddojh: That doesn't matter. [14:17] Alan_Hicks: uhm so bad for me, in #xorg is nodoby [14:17] you could try a X -configure, but that wont solve the QGtkStyle/GTK_Qt conflict [14:17] Eddojh: As I said, we really need to see the full /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. [14:17] how can i do that? [14:17] guys, who do I solve libpixman-1.so.0 lib loading error? [14:18] Eddojh: Copy the failed /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere, start X as root only long enough to upload the log file to one of the pastebin services. [14:18] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:19] Eddojh: Or, actually, I think you can specify a file to upload on http://pastebin.ca/ and, iirc, it's navigatable via links [14:19] Alan_Hicks: ok I'm on it [14:19] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left ##slackware. [14:20] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:20] It's possible that the loog file won't tell us anything new, but it's hard to say definitively without seeing it. [14:20] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.118.97) joined ##slackware. [14:20] adamk__ (n=adamk@c-68-45-22-62.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] Alan_Hicks: there is a Xorg.0.log.old too, is that important? [14:21] I'm adamk, not Alan_Hicks. [14:21] And no, just /var/log/Xorg.0.log [14:21] Immundus (n=obi@e179141058.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Anyone know StoneGate ? [14:21] adamk: sorry man [14:24] Vince_ (n=quassel@94-193-185-234.zone7.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [14:24] Nick change: paissad_ -> paissad [14:25] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:27] adamk: here is the thing http://pastebin.com/m2898ff60 [14:28] CarlFr (n=lechiffr@59.92.114.126) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:29] And that's from when 'startx' fails to work as a normal user? There's no indication that X is crashing in there. [14:30] uhm so sorry, that is for root [14:31] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Well now I'm heading out. I'll be back later. [14:32] ok man [14:32] thankz [14:35] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.14.74) joined ##slackware. [14:35] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [14:38] adamk: do you still here? this is my file http://pastebin.com/m41264faa [14:38] this is the real one [14:39] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-70-75.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [14:41] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-78-208.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [14:43] yys (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [14:43] yys (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [14:48] sirslack1r (n=sirslack@p54B1381A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:53] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.67.12) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:53] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.67.12) joined ##slackware. [14:56] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-159-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:56] hi there [14:57] hi [15:00] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-190-182.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:02] interesting [15:02] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.88.15.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-190-182.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] anybody who was here this morning talking about policykit still around? [15:03] Why [15:03] i was curious about what the bsd people were using for pam [15:03] hey can anybody help me with this? http://pastebin.com/m8abc399 [15:03] it turns out, theirs, openpam, includes a shadow backend [15:03] and I can get policykit to build against it [15:04] and here is te Xorg.0.log file http://pastebin.com/m41264faa [15:04] it needs a glib update and a couple of new libs from the polkit guy [15:04] GooseYArd: indeed [15:05] i made up quick slackbuilds for all the dependencies [15:06] Eddojh: will you create a new temp user and try to startx as that user? [15:07] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:07] GooseYArd: but that "openpam, includes a shadow backend" sounds a bit contradictory [15:08] Pam uses the shadow utils to store user password information, but PAM is about authentication. The user & password info can just as well be stored in a SQL database [15:09] hmm [15:09] im going to read the doc [15:10] agentc0re: I have not done that [15:11] ahah disregard [15:11] i have to try [15:11] im a jackass, i was looking at polkits configure --help output [15:11] this is 0.9.4 [15:12] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Eddojh: ya, that's what i am saying. try that, please. :D [15:12] That is still "PolicyKit" GooseYArd... the git snapshots are "polkit-1" [15:13] yep [15:13] _juan (i=500@190.204.142.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "A little boy who had a big hallucination..." [15:15] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: "leaving" [15:17] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-69-137-66-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:17] nv4Phil (n=phil@adsl-179-55-6.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] alienBOB: is --with-authf=shadow busted in polkit-1? [15:18] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:20] or gone altogether i guess [15:21] gone altogether [15:21] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-150-28.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:21] The option is there but only --with-authf=pam is functional [15:21] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-48-156.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:22] ah [15:22] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] man these redhat projects are a mess [15:22] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: "Leaving" [15:23] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:23] See you ppl [15:23] :) [15:23] How do I convert or mount a .nrg image? [15:23] agentc0re: are you still here? [15:24] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [15:24] Eddojh: i am. [15:24] Eddojh: did that work? [15:24] alicephilippa (n=alice@5ac1bb48.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [15:24] agentc0re: ok it works [15:24] agentc0re: so what's next? [15:27] Eddojh: okay, there's something in that user's directory screwing it up. there are hidden directories in your home directory 3 that could be causing this, .cache, .local, .kde. First try renaming one at a time and starting X. [15:27] Eddojh: if renaming one doesn't fix it, rename it back and try another until it works or does work. [15:28] agentc0re: ya, i'm on it [15:30] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/aovpw/i_just_got_raped_i_have_no_idea_what_to_do_please/ [15:32] couldn't resist to share it [15:33] yay. another imbecile [15:35] how do i convert bin image files to iso? [15:36] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:37] Azeotrope: you can use bchunk [15:38] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.165.43) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] I think he asked that question yesterday [15:40] Or very recently. [15:40] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:40] he did. he also got the same answer [15:41] Just checked the logs [15:41] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] agentc0re: ok, it's done .kde is the bad one [15:42] agentc0re: X is working now, but it looks diferent [15:43] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Eddojh: there ya go! :D might lose some KDE settings because of that. [15:43] hi, does anyone here uses Awesome windows manager ? [15:43] slava_dp (n=slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Eddojh: you can look in there and copy stuff over, but i'd just recommend reconfiguring everything again. [15:43] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [15:44] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) left irc: "Leaving" [15:44] agentc0re: ok i think is done for today i will back to work, a lot of thanks [15:45] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.141.31) joined ##slackware. [15:45] agentc0re: its better reconfiguring everything again, it does'nt? [15:45] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:46] agentc0re: because i can copy a bad file [15:46] Eddojh: No problem. Well it's easier to reconfigure everything than try to figure out what was in the .kde folder that was causing X not to start up. it's up to you on how much you want to try and figure it out though. [15:47] agentc0re: ok [15:47] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.29.148) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [16:01] adaptr_ (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:03] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [16:06] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [16:06] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.130.213) joined ##slackware. [16:08] saymoo (n=saymooo@unaffiliated/saymoo) left irc: "byeby" [16:10] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [16:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [16:11] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [16:12] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:22] Immundus (n=obi@e179141058.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout" [16:28] out of interest, anyone ever came to test LUKS on a ssd? [16:29] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Eddojh: you finally get everything ironed out? [16:29] i need to buy a ssd for my desktop [16:30] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:30] hows everyone?!? [16:31] groovy gravy! [16:32] so when your on runlevel 3 and you startx does that put you at runlevel 4 or just start x on level 3? [16:32] random thought... [16:32] that sounds pretty good! [16:32] i would guess it just runs X and your default window manager within init 3 [16:32] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left irc: "=" [16:32] that makes sense [16:33] i leave it at 3, i get the best of both worlds, a CLI and X is just a startx away, and ctrl-alt-backspace puts me back in the console [16:33] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:34] is there a reason just a term wont work for that? [16:34] in 4? [16:35] what do you mean? just X and xterm? no window manager? [16:35] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:35] no i mean when your in 4 and open up terminal or whatever [16:35] xterm -bg black -fg white -n '"X Console"' -T '"X Console"' this is basically that safemode X with xterm (very bare bones) [16:36] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:36] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [16:36] so being in plain ol init 3 is more powerful than a console? [16:37] init 3 is everything without X [16:37] yeah [16:38] i just had never really thought about it haha [16:38] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [16:38] im in 4 by default so basically i was wondering if there would be a benefit by defaulting to 3 [16:39] or if just a console would cover it [16:39] just the one i said earlier, you get a true console with X just a startx away [16:39] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-190-182.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:40] true story... [16:40] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:40] good thinking [16:41] most of those distros that have X on by default when you do ALT F1 it does not kill X, it just suspends it but it is still running and can get in the way when you really need X to be out of the picture [16:42] yeah, i just migrated from ubuntu if you cant tell :p [16:42] on to some real linux haha [16:42] thats cool, everybody makes mistakes :p [16:42] lol [16:42] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [16:42] hey distrowatch told me it was most used! :p [16:43] can you say microsoft in here? or will you be banner? haha jk [16:43] ubuntu gets a lot of publicity, and because of that it has an army of muppets for followers [16:43] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [16:43] at least i managed to dumb M$ and get on the right path! [16:45] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-73-147.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [16:45] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. 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[17:07] hmmmm [17:08] Eddojh (n=User@200.23.135.195) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:09] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [17:09] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Client Quit [17:10] mrunderstood (n=mrunders@69.63.23.156) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] alicephilippa (n=alice@5ac1bb48.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:11] techwonder (n=techwond@c-76-25-159-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:11] chuck56 (n=chuck56@unaffiliated/chuck56) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:14] i keep forgetting that i need to update slackpkg's file list every so often >.> [17:15] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos [17:15] Action: Necos laughs and dies [17:15] lol [17:15] lol [17:15] finally, how many times did I have to stab you? :P [17:16] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.198.170) joined ##slackware. [17:16] lol [17:16] what can i say, i have thick skin :P [17:16] loongsday (n=hub@g229052185.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [17:16] haha [17:16] goarilla: ctrl + alt + bs kills x, but ctrl + alt + FX goes to virtual terminal [17:16] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: "http://clicanimaux.com svp cliquez sur le bouton au millieu de la page pour nourir un animal abandonné, please click on the b [17:17] and X is on virtual console 7 (usually ) so you can come back to X with ctrl + alt + F7 [17:18] Anyone in here younger about 17-18? [17:18] upgrade to TB 3.0 [17:18] weee! [17:19] Necos: Lightning works with TB 3 now too, a beta is out now for it. [17:21] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:21] i2c_core: exports duplicate symbol i2c_smbus_xfer (owned by kernel) i2c_algo_bit: exports duplicate symbol i2c_bit_add_numbered_bus (owned by kernel) <-- Can anyone tell me what these messages mean? [17:22] sweets! [17:25] and it downloaded it right when i started it [17:27] omfg <3 TB 3.0 [17:27] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-170.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:27] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.130.213) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:27] psy (n=psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: "leaving" [17:27] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.130.213) joined ##slackware. [17:27] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] garme_ (n=garme@201008240068.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:27] this is good stuffs [17:30] I get a missing perl module when trying to load one of the default irssi scripts - is anybody aware of additional requirements ? [17:30] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:31] what is the module? [17:31] it says Can't locate LWP/UserAgent.pm in @INC [17:32] perl -MCPAN -e install Bundle::LWP [17:32] great! [17:32] as root [17:32] Wescotte: yes, it means you're trying to load a module that's already built into the kernel. That's why we recommend using the generic kernel. [17:32] Necos: always :) [17:32] tmkd (i=user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) joined ##slackware. [17:32] hi, how can i list installed packages? [17:32] rworkman: ah thanks [17:32] tmkd: by reading the slackbook's section on package management [17:32] Wescotte: yw [17:33] tmkd, (or look in /var/log/packages) [17:34] rworkman: one follow up.. if I insmod something that is already built into the kernel will it still show up in lsmod? [17:34] graut [17:34] great [17:34] :) [17:34] thanks [17:34] Wescotte: no [17:34] you can't do that. [17:34] As in, you *cannot* load a module that's built into the kernel. [17:35] rworkman: so if it's listing in lsmod it can't be in the kernel? or is it possible some dep of the mod is in the kernel? [17:35] Yeah, probably a dep is built in [17:35] and modprobe tries to load the deps too [17:36] rworkman: okay makes sense now. Thanks [17:36] See, the kernel-modules package contains modules for the generic kernel, and depmod generates the dependencies. So yea :) [17:36] fire|bird, you liking TB3? [17:36] rworkman: :* [17:37] Action: Wescotte still has so much to learn about linux :) [17:37] Don't kiss me. [17:37] :) [17:37] ;_; [17:37] 8========) Now you can though. [17:37] ;-) [17:37] Action: agentc0re makes out with rworkman [17:37] ewww [17:37] :D [17:37] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [17:37] Necos: yeah, it's quite nice, I've still been using claws quite a bit, but TB3 is a very nice improvement over TB 2.x [17:37] agentc0re: bad timing. :) [17:37] i see that now. hehe. [17:37] Does TB3 support maildir? [17:38] rworkman: Can you recommend any books (preferably free) on linux that go in more detail than say slackbook? [17:38] Nick change: emma_ -> emma [17:38] rworkman: unfortunately, no. :( still just mbox as far as I've discovered so far. [17:38] Wescotte: App specific ones, yes. [17:38] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-82-244.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [17:38] fire|bird: bah. Claws is where I stay then. [17:38] Wescotte: pick up an O'Reilly book on System Administration in general, and go from there. [17:39] rworkman: more like one that would have helped me identify/understand that message without asking on irc :) [17:39] rworkman: claws supports maildir? I thought it just supported mbox or MH? [17:39] Wescotte: oh, probably not. :) [17:40] wish my damn university had linux classes that went in more detail than how to boot a Ubuntu disc :) [17:40] what more is there to know? [17:40] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-73-147.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [17:40] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [17:40] lol [17:40] thrice`, you need to die :P [17:40] fire|bird: well, yeah, it's MH. Close enough :) [17:41] thrice`: How to make the disc is really the only thing else I guess [17:41] :p [17:41] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-170.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] Necos: still no luck :( I can't find any LWP modules after the CPAN install [17:43] That's libwww-perl, right? [17:43] yeah, my irssi script wants UserAgent.pm [17:43] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/libwww-perl/ [17:44] cool thanks [17:46] garme__ (n=garme@201009144186.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:47] garme (n=garme@201009120193.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] rworkman: maybe if enough people showed a want for maildir on TBird's bugzilla, something would happen. [17:47] Nick change: garme__ -> garme [17:47] heh, I wish [17:48] me too. :) [17:48] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:48] I'm researching about it now, it'd sure be nice. [17:50] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-85-24.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [17:50] tediosu (n=lahlahal@217.146.88.13) left ##slackware (".."). [17:51] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [17:51] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:52] garme_ (n=garme@201008240068.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@93.195.13.168) joined ##slackware. [17:53] rworkman: it works fine ;) thank yuo [17:53] youou [17:54] garme (n=garme@201009144186.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [17:56] xsamurai (n=munki@75.85.171.222) joined ##slackware. [17:57] cpan2tgz might do the job for your perl modules [17:57] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] Ephedrax_ (i=1000@AReims-152-1-57-107.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:58] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30DA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:00] nv4Phil (n=phil@adsl-179-55-6.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:01] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. 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[18:36] is it possible to set up a LAN through cable ? [18:37] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] tv cable that is [18:40] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.115.148) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:41] razel: how are you planning to connect pcs with tv cabel? [18:42] umm i have no clue i have a spare modem around :P [18:42] maybe i could get 1 more [18:42] so i can hook up 2 "Gateways" [18:42] razel: I am not known with TV cable LAN ;) sorry :) [18:42] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] but theoretically would you think its possible ? theres ways to do it with phone line and power source [18:44] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.49.155) joined ##slackware. [18:44] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@80-123-58-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. 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I have an ivtv (v4l module) patch I'm attempting to apply but it still thinks the modules are in 2.6.29.6-smp/ any ideas how/why it still looking there instead of /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/? [18:49] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) left irc: "leaving" [18:49] Wescotte: look in /extra directory of the Slackware DVD [18:49] Like here: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/extra/linux-2.6.29.6-nosmp-sdk/ [18:50] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "A little boy who had a big hallucination..." [18:50] alienBOB: aha. thank you [18:50] yozzer (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] alienBOB: one last thing.. is there any reason not to use smp? Is there significant overhead? It's a single cpu P4 w/o hyperthreading [18:53] alienBOB: and the huge-smp works.. [18:53] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:55] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [18:55] I guess what I'm asking is there any harm to leaving it as -smp on a single cpu w/o hyperthreading.. [18:56] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [19:01] Wescotte, http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.0/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [19:03] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:03] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@190.192.219.199) left ##slackware ("I'm a happy Miranda IM user! Get it here: http://miranda-im.org"). [19:06] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [19:07] Pixar (n=Pixar@84.247.21.20) joined ##slackware. [19:08] hi, which IM client has the get info thing pinging the user who i'm chatting so i can grab his ip? I think it came on instalation in the past on one of these 3 distros: debian, slackware or fedora. please help [19:11] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] What is minimal upload speed for web server that would not contain more then 20 - 50 users a day? [19:12] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:13] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] whoami [19:19] zaemis (n=zaemis@pool-71-176-79-207.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] snax (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] hi [19:20] I can only get sound to work in unreal tournament 2004 via aoss. when I use aoss on doom 3 I still get no sound. [19:21] How do I get sound to work for Doom 3 ? [19:22] I've made a usb bootable thumb drive with usbimg2disk.sh, and I'm trying to install slackware 13.0 to a headles NAS. Will the installer show the boot splash on the serial console? [19:22] s/headles/headless [19:23] doom 3 outputs no errors regardin /dev/dsp [19:23] it looks like it can open it. [19:23] so why no sound. [19:24] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.141.31) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [19:27] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.198.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] Doom 3 works for Debian but not on slackware. [19:27] shouldn't it be the other way around ? [19:29] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:30] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [19:31] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:25] fire|bird, my friend :) [20:26] lol [20:26] its a wireless receiver for pc [20:26] then any wireless device can connect via it [20:26] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.219.111.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:26] powtrix: Ah yeah, I've seen those. Good luck with it, hope you get it working. [20:26] fire|bird: I heard you like challenges! :) [20:26] pprkut: Well, I'm intrigued enough to ask what this challenge is. :P [20:27] haha [20:27] http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080227155016.htm [20:27] hahahaha [20:27] Action: powtrix is a voluntary [20:27] fire|bird: I'm trying to solve a disk write performance issue [20:28] JMicro? mine does it [20:28] JMicron* [20:28] Nick change: pireau_ -> pireau [20:28] fire|bird: more exactly, every "flush" that writes data with more than 10MB/s freezes my system [20:30] is power supply ok? [20:31] well, the thing is, read performance works fine with up to 110MB/s [20:31] so I guess power supply is not an issue [20:33] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:34] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] I'm trying to get slackware64 on a box with no video card (NAS box.) I finally got to the boot screen on the usb installer, and gave the paramater console=ttyS0. After loading initrd.img, it apparently hangs. Anybody have an ideas on how to get Slackware on this thing? [20:35] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] one time i got problems writing cd/dvds, the problem was: alot of hardwares were killing the power supply. then I changed it to a Seventeam 450W. solved [20:37] but if your reads ok, i dont thinnk it's the PS [20:37] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [20:37] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:38] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:41] is http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/xboxdrv/ offline? [20:41] come to think of it, I didn't have those issues when the device used vfat. Hmm.. [20:42] Action: pprkut eyes ext4 [20:42] no dmesg error? [20:44] nope [20:44] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:44] pprkut: Anything important on it? Could try ext3 or something. [20:46] nothing important, just /usr ;) [20:46] xsamurai (n=munki@75.85.171.222) left irc: "Leaving." [20:46] wipe it clean and try something else. ;) [20:47] but I have multiple partitions, and setting up xfs on one [20:47] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.78.18.158) joined ##slackware. [20:48] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:52] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] greetings and salutations [20:54] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:55] How much RAM should the slackware64 installer need to boot? [20:56] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:56] i'd guess 64mb min [20:56] 5 gigs :o [20:56] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:58] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:58] hi, i am using slackware 13.0, 64 bit + alienBob's multilib support. i tried to reformat my ipod with gparted (from slackbuilds) so that i can rebuild it with amaraok. but gparted crashes when i try to reformat my ipod. is there any way i can format my 30G 5th gen ipod video with slackware 13 ? [20:59] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.214.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:01] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:07] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:07] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [21:07] is there any tricks to getting nvidia's driver installed in slack64? [21:08] no [21:08] Pig_Pen: what trick? just install it [21:09] and one more question, in a 64 bit kernel build, in menuconfig > device drivers > graphics > /dev/agpgart < does not show a nvidia graphics chip? [21:09] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:09] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] Pig_Pen: Have you tried to install nvidia-installer-sh ? [21:10] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-196.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:10] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-36.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] it installed but did not run correctly, my screen was tiled like i had three screens where there should be one [21:12] thanks anyhow [21:12] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:12] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] Woohoo... Gotta love closed source drivers :-) [21:14] there is no nvidia chip driver in /dev/agpgart sooo it isnt the nvidia driver, i got to solve a kernel build, or it is just not available [21:15] It may just not be available. But the nvidia driver includes it's own AGP support, last time I checked. [21:15] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.92.37) joined ##slackware. [21:15] i even loaded the stock kernel config from 13 and it is still not there, it might not be available at all [21:16] i wonder if anything in framebuffer needs changed [21:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:17] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-110-38-142.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:17] normally on a 32 bit slackware install you cant build nvidiafb because it conflicts with nvidia's driver, might not be the case with 64 bit [21:18] w001 [21:18] needed console=ttyS0,115200n8 [21:18] Now I'm installing Slackware64 :-D [21:19] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [21:22] >> http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/download/file.php?id=221&mode=view [21:22] ;-) [21:22] real smileys :p [21:22] \o/ yay! i need a smile! [21:23] lol [21:25] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:30] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:31] macavity (n=macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:33] anyone has a good idea for a sane permission setup for a USB GSM modem? [21:33] it turns into /dev/ttyUSB0 [21:34] and i am not really keen on setting it 666 to allow ordinary users to make a connection [21:35] (this is my first time since the 90s with a modem, so i might be missing something totally obvious here) [21:37] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:37] a 56k modem? for normal desktop useage? 666 should be fine, unless you plan on letting everyone in the ghetto use it [21:39] macavity: have it set for uucp group [21:39] then add uucp to the users you want to be able to use it. [21:39] macavity: set up /etc/ppp/peers/$provider{,.chat} with the relevant bits, and then make a wrapper script that calls "pppd call $provider" (an rc.pppd type script with 'start' and 'stop' calls is probably best), and then configure sudo to allow a certain group to run that script with root perms [21:39] Pig_Pen: nope, a GSM modem [21:40] rworkman++ [21:40] XGizzmo: dialout group, fwiw, in 13.0 :) [21:40] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.226.207) joined ##slackware. [21:40] macavity: and there's the group to use :) [21:40] cool [21:40] damn! my networking skills are back in the 1990's (shame on me) [21:40] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-135.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:41] no dailout in /etc/group [21:41] tile blitting? [21:41] macavity: then you didn't merge the configs when upgrading. [21:41] but yes, thats the group the /dev/ttyUSB* files are getting [21:41] or you're still on <13.0 [21:41] rworkman: i did a clean re-install for 13.0 [21:41] macavity: you overlooked it then :) [21:42] unless i cant spell... [21:42] gid=16 [21:42] ah, fuck [21:42] dialout:x:16:uucp [21:42] me and grep when i mean fgrep [21:42] yup [21:42] grep dial /etc/group will work fine :> [21:42] grep dailout /etc/group does not work as adverticed :P [21:43] aaah [21:43] i cant spell "dial" [21:43] dail >_< [21:43] lol [21:43] Action: macavity slaps fire|bird around with a CHAP file [21:44] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:44] hmm.. perhaps i should make udev rules to automatically just set the link up when the thingie is inserted [21:45] i mean, i have no use for the read-only storage with windows drivers on it... so the only time i insert it is when i want internet :P [21:45] macavity, present >> http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38 :p [21:46] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30AE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[22:06] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:07] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] Nick change: Bugz__ -> Bugz_ [22:08] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.204.57) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Guest41847 (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Guest41847 (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left ##slackware. [22:10] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:10] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Hello People. [22:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [22:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:10] finally after much abuse from KDE, I have moved to xfce. [22:10] heya,slackwarebob [22:11] :) [22:11] slackwarebob, how ya likin' it? [22:11] How do i get OTR in kopete with slackware 13? Do i need to recompile kopete with libotr installed or how is it done? [22:11] oh I've used it before. It was my first preferred DE. :) I just liked the shiny eye candy of kde. [22:12] slackwarebob, slap compiz on it and way ya go...:) [22:12] nille_: what is OTR? [22:12] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [22:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging [22:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [22:13] Encrypted chat [22:14] nille_: compile & install otr from SBo & then compile & install kdenetwork. it will pick it up [22:14] MLanden: but compiz breaks every other day too. [22:15] MLanden: it works ok. [22:15] I like the "windows" feel of kde. [22:15] ah [22:16] slackwarebob, understood...:) [22:16] sahk0 i installed libotr already. So i will need to recompile kdenetwork for it to work? [22:16] MLanden: but I'll probably stick with xfce and configure all my acpi stuff via it and it use it. I don't have patience for KDE reboots everytime after resume from disk [22:17] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.226.207) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:17] nille_: yeah, i think so. thats what kopete is part of. but i dont know what exactly kopete-cryptography does so you might wanna look at that first [22:17] only have used KDE4 couple of times...so am not familiar with some of the glitches [22:17] maybe thats what it needs to be recompiled [22:18] it's cool. helps us learn new things. :) [22:18] and I've just located a black theme for xfce. now it rocks. [22:19] slackwarebob, onyx? [22:19] sahk0 well all my friends use OTR so i need that one and i already use it in pidgin but i wanted to try kopete for some time since it looks better in KDE4 [22:19] xfce-dusk, another one was one I downloaded while ago. [22:20] cool...personally like the blueheart and greenheart themes as well [22:20] on default install? [22:21] nille_: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Requirements#Software_Requirements.2C_by_Module its like i told you in my first reply. scroll to kdenetwork [22:21] programmers should really use dlopen() more... [22:22] no..over on http://gnome-look.org/ bunches of cool gtk2 themes [22:22] it would make a lot of things that are "must have" to one guy but utter "crupt" to another runtime options rather than compiletime options [22:22] yeah, I spend hours there looking thru themes and downloading. and then someone only uploads half the stuff shown in the picture, lol. [22:23] tna822 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Nick change: tna822 -> pug711 [22:23] lol....happens [22:24] anyhoo, break time brb. :) [22:24] righty-o [22:25] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-177-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:25] sahk0 thanks but that makes the use of "plugins" rather useless if it needs an recompile. ;) but atleast i know how to make it work now :) [22:28] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30AE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] well, thats the way it works in pidgin too.. [22:32] no in pidgin you only install libotr and then compile the plugin pidgin-otr. So thats an real plugin. Since plugins for me are extra things that you can installe latter to add functions and not needed at compile time of the main program. [22:34] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.37) joined ##slackware. [22:37] If it's compiled with the main program with an optional dependency then it's an optional function of the main program and not an plugin. That was my point, but still thank you for the link and help. [22:38] nille_: in this case both kopete and the standard keopete plugins are in kdenetwork [22:38] well, the fact that in pidgin its an external plugin is both an advantage and a disadvantage. the former in your case [22:39] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) left irc: [22:39] nille_: if this had been debian all the individual components would have been split up into a kazillion packages, so you would be able to just download the srcdep for the plugin itself [22:40] night all [22:41] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.49.155) left irc: "Leaving" [22:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] heya,hitest [22:43] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:44] how useable is a cheap ati rage xl card on slack? [22:46] user2438 (n=user4592@adsl-99-54-4-157.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] iirc ati rage is based on mach64 which is fairly well supported in 2D land [22:46] it may even have a bit of video decode acceleration [22:46] Well in kopete it's called an plugin and also in the man/help pages but actually if you ask me it's not. Thats what bugged my mind ;) But i guess i'm only such a crank. [22:46] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] nille_: no, you are strictly speaking right.. but that doesnt change the fact that kopete ships as one huge tarball with its own plugins and the rest of the KDE networking apps/gadgets [22:48] macavity: cool...this card was shown to work with centOS and ubuntu, so i didn't forsee any issue [22:48] nille_: if you know what you are doing you can probably just run ./configure, and then cd to the right dir (say, src/kopete/plugins/otr) and run make install there [22:48] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [22:49] nyRednek: other than it is probably only 8MB so you can do like 1024x786@24 max it should cover your needs as a desktop card [22:50] I can try that be recompile kednetwork might be easier, and when you are tired then go for then it's best to go with the easiest solution :) [22:50] macavity: that's what i intended to use it for [22:50] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. 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[23:13] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "leaving" [23:15] \o [23:15] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] antiwire: hello :-) [23:16] /o/ [23:16] I'm feening a new episode of house on hulu [23:16] ~o~ [23:16] (o) [23:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-36.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-3-119.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] feening? [23:17] ok, so one needs to set up identd to watch hulu outside of the US?!? [23:18] proxies boy! [23:18] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.141.31) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [23:18] btw, I want to deploy these at work http://www.rap4.com/paintball/os/pressure-activated-training-landmine-p-1883.html [23:19] lol [23:20] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.37) left irc: Connection timed out [23:22] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [23:22] looks fairly weak in the video [23:22] talking of video sites [23:22] has anyone gotten stagevu to work with xine-plugin? [23:23] it just says "buffering 0%" for ever [23:23] antiwire: hehe, awesome. But i thought it was going to spit paint everywhere. [23:23] well i'm not trying to blow someone's leg off you know [23:23] at least not in the server room [23:23] lol [23:24] agentc0re, same here.._\|/_ [23:25] remember that most of us in here aren't "normal". "Normal" people *will* flip out [23:25] antiwire: http://rap4.com/paintball/os/less-lethal-live-rounds-p-3720.html dude! awesome. [23:25] we can't have that in CA [23:25] lol,antiwire [23:26] well, it it is a pain gun round that's ok [23:26] we can't have non-lethal shotgun rounds here [23:27] if you shoot someone with a non-lethal shotgun round you'll be forced to answer to a judge in court "why did you shoot them with a gun if you didn't need to kill them?" [23:27] gg California [23:27] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:27] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-7-251.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [23:27] hahaha, http://www.rap4.com/paintball/os/m68-thunder-grenade [23:27] i think this site became my new friend. thanks antiwire. [23:27] lol [23:27] macavity: hulu is working here with a proxy. [23:28] agentc0re: Say allo to my little fren? [23:28] chopp: free proxy? [23:28] what up chopp [23:29] I have an ath9k minicpci-e card on the way. Can't wait to mess with it [23:29] antiwire: chillin, you. :) [23:29] :-/ [23:29] no mplayer-plugin on sbo [23:29] macavity: yes, just grabbed one here: http://www.samair.ru/proxy/type-01.htm [23:29] chillin like the a villain too [23:30] macavity: it's in extra/ [23:30] chopp: nice [23:30] fire|bird: thanks :-) [23:30] antiwire: well give me a progress report on the ath9k after you get it. :P [23:30] indeed [23:31] hey, i just started on slackware, what can i put on my resume to reflect this :p [23:31] that would make me sound desirable [23:31] ComputerNoobie: nothing [23:31] :o [23:32] I started working for a place that just happened to have a Slackware email server and I let them know that I'm fluent. [23:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:32] They asked me to change some network settings on it so I showed them my Slack [23:32] :p [23:33] msot industry uses redhat though doesnt it? [23:33] but knowing slackware should carry over well to redhat i assume [23:33] do you know Redhat? [23:33] Our Hell and whatever enterprise thingy SUSE hawks. [23:33] antiwire: now they be baffled? [23:33] antiwire, i dotn k now redhat [23:33] then Slackware won't carry over at all. You need to know Redhat to know Redhat. [23:34] antiwire, i keep hearing that "if u learn slackware, u learn linux" [23:34] "if u learn redhat, u learn redhat" [23:34] You'll be able to navigate the FS but you won't know anything about RPM [23:34] Knowing UNIX, doesn't mean knowing Our Hell's particular warts. [23:34] ah, sweet [23:34] macavity: What's that? [23:35] antiwire, rpm is just a package manager right? [23:35] Certainly not my paltry rendition of RHEL I hope. [23:36] ComputerNoobie: RPM is a package format and package manager. Why don't you fire up a Redhat or CentOS VM and see? [23:36] I dare you to put "Slackware" on your resume. [23:36] You're best of to make it generic until they know you. [23:36] of/off [23:37] caoliver: what's what? [23:37] Agree. [23:37] macavity: What's "ah, sweet" [23:37] caoliver: mplayerplugin just solved my problem [23:37] Ah! [23:38] but why Pat chose to call it "mplayerplug-in" and not "mplayer-plugin" is beyond me :P [23:38] Dunno. I rolled my own from the svn snapshot. [23:38] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: K-lined [23:38] francog (i=francog@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: K-lined [23:38] maybe because http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ [23:38] fire|bird: thx for the tip :-) [23:38] Slackware can be a turn off for some because people look at us as tinkerer's, and that might not be a good thing. [23:38] it *is* called mplayerplug-in [23:39] macavity: you're welcome [23:39] antiwire: ok, that might explain it :P [23:39] lol [23:39] however, i hired my current employee because he mentioned he knew slackware. Turns out, he doesn't know shit. [23:39] Sad but true. Tinkerers aren't bad folk, but the scare PHBs. [23:39] s/the/they/ [23:39] and tends to play the "which distro should i use now" game. [23:39] agentc0re: probably some dude who managed to make it through the installer? [23:40] heh [23:40] agentc0re: That too is sad. How many years experience had he with any flavor of UNIX? [23:41] antiwire: a bit more than that. but since i hired him, i don't think he's used slackware once at home. He also knew nothing of Slackbuilds.... i found that out after i hired him... [23:41] antiwire: He's the first person i've ever interviewed or hired... i know have a much better idea on what to ask than what i did ask. [23:41] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) joined ##slackware. [23:42] l [23:42] can you fetch a beer? [23:42] I'd really tend to want I guy to give me a guided tour of something he set up as evidence he knew what he was doing. [23:42] If I'm ever asked to hire someone I would certainly have a sit down with the person but most important would be taking them into the lab or server room and having them execute tasks on the spot. [23:43] caoliver: not sure. He's experienced but in a different era. He's 50+, i'm 28. He went to school and learned how to make circuit boards and got a degree in elecro something or other. [23:43] simple things, like adding dhcp options to a scope or changing interface options [23:43] he's go from that to supporting desktops. [23:43] ok... i just found a bug in mplayerplug-in :P [23:43] He's probably not a bad fellow, but he seems in a bad place. [23:43] when in full screen it does *not* like when i pull yakuake down over it like with xine [23:43] It's rather like a COBOL guy in a python shop. [23:44] caoliver: haha, are you that feelow? [23:44] s/feelow/fellow [23:44] agentc0re to hire the right man for the job isn't easy. [23:44] One time, I was at a place that hired a new person who claimed they were a Windows Server Family admin. He tried to remove a P4 CPU from the socket with a flat blade screw driver [23:44] I had one COBOL class. No sir! Didn't like it. [23:44] nille_: this is very true. [23:44] antiwire: Ouch! [23:45] antiwire: lol [23:45] antiwire: was it a xeon p4? socket or slot? [23:46] dErFz (n=derf@unaffiliated/derfz) left irc: Excess Flood [23:47] i did that once at the company i used to work at, and it was real hard. [23:47] macavity: correction, hulu now busted me with the proxy. :P [23:47] dErFz (n=derf@pwnflakes.lobbyzffs.com) joined ##slackware. [23:47] It was a socket [23:47] not a xeon [23:48] antiwire: i can't remember were the xeon p4 types slot or was it all sockets from p4's and beyond? [23:48] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] chopp: oh well.. since i now whave stagevu working with mplayerplug-in i pretty much dont care about hulu ;-) [23:48] the P4's are sockets [23:49] chopp: i like their selection a lot better :P [23:49] If there was a P4 slot cpu, I've never seen one [23:49] macavity: never been, checking now. [23:50] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [23:50] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [23:51] iirc, the reason for the slot cartridge was the closely coupled cache which died when the fab processes got small enough to fit it all on die [23:51] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [23:51] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:52] antiwire: im glad.. heavy coolers tended to snap the board if the cartridges were vertical [23:52] yep [23:52] I never saw the insides of one of those. I went more or less from P133 (what ever socket that was) to LGA755 machines. [23:53] caoliver: that must have been on drag of a period in between :P [23:53] anyone who missed out on the Celeron 300A wont know what true fun is :P [23:54] I went from a socketed Pentium Pro to a flip chip" [23:54] macavity, are you refering to overclocking? [23:54] "flip chip" P3 550, one of the first P3's which were sockets [23:54] MLanden: yup [23:54] Well there was a k6-2 and a PPro, but I didn't get under the hood save to add some memory. [23:55] the PPro was rad for its time [23:55] i have a PPro 200mhz [23:55] i went from a sx66 to a cyrix 166(turbo) to amd something, something, something...... e6750 core2duo. :P [23:55] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [23:55] i snapped off all the pins and polished the gold plating [23:55] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [23:55] i think it will make a nice belt buckle [23:55] It was a souped up Classic Pentium; high clock speed and close coupled cache but in a socket form. really weird looking chip [23:56] though big cowboy style buckles like that isnt usually my thing [23:56] i have an old dell 2300 that has dual p3500 slot cpu's. :P hehe, that's why i asked. [23:56] http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/intel_s8_pentium_pro.jpg [23:56] antiwire: wasnt the PPro an i686?!? [23:56] That was a winnar of a CPU [23:56] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:57] I think I've given away all the old boxes save for the IBM p4. I don't know who to victimize with that. [23:57] me [23:57] caoliver: the room heater CPU? lol [23:57] p4 preshot? :P [23:57] commonly known as The Pentium Teacooker [23:57] Yeah. The old 2.0GHz. [23:57] hahaha [23:58] Better than my P133 when the fan died. Nickname ::=skillet. [23:58] fuck.. kwin is doing that crapping out at 100% cpu load again [23:59] i havent seen this since 4.1 :-/ [00:00] --- Thu Jan 14 2010