[00:01] tank-man, tune2fs --help and tune2fs --usage should give you a tip ;) [00:01] Dominian: pong [00:01] I was just looking for comments on if you guys also think it is too much :) the partition is for data, not / [00:02] tank-man, i use 0% for superuser on my data partition ( 450G ) [00:02] found an extension called "it's all text" that purports to be a replacement for the textarea editing of mozex, but it doesn't work right :( [00:03] acidchild: hows the work going? [00:04] tank-man: you can change the reserved amount with "tune2fs" too, no need to reformat if you change your mind later [00:05] alisonken1church: good thanks, exhausted and its monda tomorrow. [00:05] acidchild: if it's any help, I've been on watch since 6pm, then go in to the noc at midnight until 6am tonight :) [00:05] sorry - 6am tomorrow [00:06] acidchild: working on the project from earilier? [00:06] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.250) joined ##slackware. [00:06] thanks for the comments guys ... now to wait for mkfs+badblock check to finish [00:07] yes, i'm still working on the Wireless AP/Video related stuff [00:07] ah - even more fun stuff [00:07] :) i've not slept much this weekend, been busy.. [00:09] what are you watching btw? [00:10] acidchild: Are you using atheros radios? if so, which kernel/driver did you go with? [00:11] i use madwifi, ath5. [00:11] 00:14.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [00:12] i'm not sure if i'm using madwifi now, i just rebooted my test device.. mmm [00:12] You don't use the kernel tree driver yet though right (ath5k module)? You use the external madwifi-ng code? [00:12] i was using madwifi-ng code, but recently did a kernel upgrade, so i'm just looking. [00:12] wlan 231760 4 wlan_scan_sta,ath_rate_sample,ath_pci [00:12] is that the one in the kernel tree? [00:13] I'm waiting for 2.6.31 to go to release, I've had very minimal success with the ath5k in the kernel [00:13] nope [00:13] that's madwifi [00:13] okey. [00:13] cool thanks man [00:13] :) [00:13] it seems to work fine for me... [00:13] acidchild: tv or other? [00:13] uggh. So this is useless as hell. Search for "mozex firefox 3.5" and you get a ton of pages like http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2003/09/mozilla-links-newsletter-3-september-30-2003/ (apparently dynamically generated because it was written in 2003 but says "firefox 3.5 is released" [00:14] acidchild: madwif-ng should work fine for most people. I happen to be one of the lucky few with hardware setups that cause the beacons to get "stuck" and crash the system [00:14] alisonken1church: http://eomax.net/ [00:14] antiwire: what setup is that? [00:15] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [00:15] acidchild: cool [00:15] crappy website, i get the feeling this stuff is sold more face2face than anything else. [00:15] acidchild: I have an EnGenius EMP-8602+S which is an ABG mini-pci card [00:16] i see. [00:16] Which version of the kernel are you running? I haven't had any problems with the ath5k module. [00:16] version 2.6.30 [00:16] support broadcom wl? [00:16] gm152: are you using it in AP mode? [00:16] because under 2.6.30 AP mode is not enabled yet for ath5k [00:16] No, not in AP mode. [00:17] antiwire: are you using a wrapper on AP like hostap? or ...? [00:17] acidchild: Yeah, I was using a git pull of hostapd during mytests [00:18] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-80-142.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] I'm just waiting to continue until 2.6.31 is released and I had been meaning to ask you what you were using for your wifi stack [00:18] i've not benched mine yet, i get the feeling i'll experiance stability issues under load that will need to be resolved. [00:19] but until i have the routing protocols and encryption running over them, i'll not know the true extent of the issue. [00:19] using super glue for the female SMA? or w/e connector on the card to the pigtail, which is probly more problems than anything else :-P [00:20] lol [00:20] gotta love prototype setups right [00:20] yup [00:22] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.250) left irc: [00:22] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] evening aall [00:23] all [00:23] hi [00:24] parachutes (n=parachut@189.188.211.228) joined ##slackware. [00:28] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:31] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [00:31] hello [00:32] antiwire: ofcourse, there is millions of diffrent look-alike connectors out there. [00:32] that have slightly diffrent clip placings etc. [00:32] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:36] heh. Mozex turned out to be easy to fix. Inside the .xpi file is an install.pdf XML file, which tells it the maximum version of firefox it's allowed to run on. Change that from 3.0 to 3.5, re-zip, install, and it works. [00:38] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.148.227) left irc: "Auribus teneos lupus: I hold the wolf by the ears" [00:39] haha. :-) [00:39] whats mozex? [00:40] firefox extension, among other things let you edit textareas and/or view HTML source in an external editor [00:40] yes, I really do edit textareas with vim, when using gmail or posting to a forum [00:42] sounds epic boring. [00:42] I've decided that I would go batshit crazy without the "external editor" feature of claws-mail. [00:42] indeed. [00:43] I find that otherwise, my mails have lots of strange vi-like chars in them :D [00:44] I've never used an external editor in claws. Now I'm curious, I have to try it out. :P [00:44] acidchild: it's all in what you're used to. I get really annoyed with the limited editing abilities of the browser's textarea widget (plus, like rworkman, I keep trying to use vi commands...) [00:45] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:45] i'm sure. [00:46] acidchild: where you been? [00:46] :P [00:47] Dominian: hey [00:48] er hi [00:48] axtroz_ (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) joined ##slackware. [00:48] axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.47.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:48] Nick change: axtroz_ -> axtroz [00:49] fire|bird: gvim '%s' ftw :) [00:50] I guess "xterm -rv -e vi '%s'" would do just as well, but since X is already up, may as well use gvim [00:50] rworkman: :) going to try it now, thanks. :) [00:50] In vim, say I'm at some arbitrary location in a document and I do 9999k which takes me back to the top. What is the stroke to undo what I just did and take the cursor back to my previous, random position? [00:51] I'm not sure there is one - you didn't actually *do* anything. [00:52] undo is going to un*do* something. :) [00:52] rworkman: oh that is nice. I never thought to use gvim for editing e-mail in claws. :) [00:52] That's what I was afraid someone would say. I guess I'm looking for "last/previous position" [00:52] rather than undo [00:52] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Ooh, is it taking everything that's changed and making a package of it?? [00:53] er, oops. Wrong window. :/ [00:53] antiwire: '' [00:54] antiwire: the ' command means "jump to mark", and the next keystroke is which mark you want to jump to... the special mark ' means "last position" [00:54] hi i was here a few hours ago getting advice for creating subtitles in slackware. i used slackbuilds and i built subtitleeditor, and i make my first subtitles. do i sent the .mov and the subtitle file to the intended viewer? [00:55] Urchlay: awesome thanks [00:55] m sets a normal mark, and ' jumps to it (I use this a good bit if I'm editing a source code file with lots of functions in it and I want to flip back & forth between 2 or 3 functions) [00:55] blkdg, not sure I haven't actually used it :P [00:56] me too.. [00:56] so I could mark a function using mx and then use 'x to jump back or forward to it, which ever direction it is from my relative position? [00:56] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:56] the wiki got me started, and i can see the titles in mplayer, but not in vlc. [00:56] hmm [00:57] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [00:57] Urchlay: that's awesome. [00:57] but both mplayer and vlc have load subtitle buttons in their menu [00:57] thanks for that [00:57] acidchild: ping [00:57] looks like you open edit [00:57] and then save [00:57] and the folks i'm sending this to will just hit play, [00:57] from the wiki [00:57] Urchlay: Do you know how do I clear a marker I have set? [00:59] In gvim, how can I set a theme, so it stays that way, instead of only being set for the current session? Is that something I'd set in ~/.vimrc? [01:00] haha you guys got fire|bird and me all over this now [01:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:01] i guess these are more video questions than slack questions. thanks again [01:01] don't worry, I think I saw Urchlay 's quit msg was ":wq!", he dreams of text editors probably :) [01:02] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:02] tank-man: not just any text editor - that's vi specific :) [01:03] antiwire: ehmm, you know, I've never even thought about clearing marks before [01:03] I'm looking too [01:03] Hmm, I wonder if there's a way in opera to use vim/gvim for editing like Mozex in FF, or in other browsers, etc. [01:03] http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=61146 [01:03] try ":help marks" [01:03] ever tried that? [01:03] tank-man: that's for a crappy text editor [01:04] Urchlay: delm [01:04] ^c^x FTW [01:04] lol [01:04] fire|bird, for editing the source of a web page? yes you can specify the editor of your choice [01:05] tank-man: I mean like Urchlay mentioned for editing text areas, etc. [01:05] oh [01:05] The majority of the time, I use vim/gvim for editing html, etc. It works excellent for that. [01:05] here is what I was seaching for [01:05] http://www.petersblog.org/node/466 [01:06] whoa, what has opera done to their error pages. :( [01:07] ? [01:07] that was ^x^c [01:07] i hate when i pwn myself [01:08] juice: http://imagebin.org/55761 [01:08] fire|bird: ouch! [01:08] hmm [01:08] Urchlay: what the.......were they thinking. [01:08] other than the obnoxious background color, it wouldn't be so bad [01:09] they made opera:config really nice, but those error pages. [01:09] which version of opera is that? [01:09] Urchlay: no, that's my thought too, it's the background that made it horrible. [01:09] tank-man: Opera 10 snapshot 4478 [01:09] josefig (i=1000@201.164.81.24) joined ##slackware. [01:10] at least it isnt flashing [01:10] haha [01:10] heh, I wonder if they call those "user friendly error pages" the way IE does [01:10] If it started flashing, I'd send hate mail. :) [01:11] I'd removepkg opera (or rm -rf it or whatever) [01:11] Urchlay: or, New and Improved. :) [01:11] is opera truly better than firefox or seamonkey? [01:11] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:12] AnonymousRednek: are ford pickup trucks truly better than chevy or dodge? [01:12] the past week or so, I had been using Konq, but tonight I opened opera, went to go to opera:config but mistyped, and got that abomination of an error page. [01:12] Hello, i've got a problem when i'm trying to install lilo, i had grub installed this is the error msg: http://pastebin.com/m3a162524 [01:12] Urchlay: i don't think you're using a valid analogy [01:12] im installing slackware [01:13] sure I am. Different people are going to have different opinions, partly based on the different needs & expectations they have [01:13] browsers (and pickup trucks) are complex enough that it's hard to objectively assign a single "goodness" value and directly compare those [01:14] Urchlay: ok, i concede the point [01:14] There, just edited opera to use gvim for viewing source. :) [01:14] josefig, maybe dd the mbr to zeros [01:14] and try again [01:14] how? [01:14] fire|bird: does it let you do the same for textareas? [01:15] axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) left irc: "Leaving" [01:15] Urchlay: not that I'm seeing atm, no. [01:15] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdzz bs=446 count=1 [01:15] err [01:15] sdxx or hdxx [01:15] josefig: the first two warnings, you can ignore (they won't prevent lilo from installing or booting) [01:15] Urchlay: one thing you can do with opera (and maybe FF) is get a js file for it that allows you to resize the textareas. [01:15] 446 should zero only the mbr and leave the partitions alone [01:16] josefig: the fatal error is "First sector of /dev/sda3 doesn't have a valid boot signature"... can you pastebin your lilo.conf? [01:16] yes, wait [01:16] I wouldn't go dd'ing zeroes into anything as a first step in recovery... [01:16] Urchlay: There is a way to set different applications for things, but you need to know the name of the, as they call it, protocol, i.e. mailto, etc. [01:17] it's a new install [01:17] and it had grub before [01:17] generally, textareas are handled internally by browser [01:17] I would zero it to get rid of all traces of grub [01:17] AnonymousRednek: yeah, and I hate the lame little editor the browser has [01:17] Urchlay: then, afaik, write your own browser [01:17] Urchlay: or use emacs's w3m [01:17] eww [01:18] eh, no, use firefox and install the mozex extension [01:18] Urchlay, http://pastebin.com/m3534a3ba [01:18] the lilo.conf [01:18] other = /dev/sda3 <--- you actually have windows on there? [01:19] not yet [01:19] i gonna install it there [01:19] eh, that's what it's bitching about [01:19] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-44.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] speaking of which, i need to add the emacs web browser and a few more missing tools to the default emacs for slack [01:19] "not yet" lol [01:20] Urchlay: Also, there is an FF addon that allows you to have any addon bypass the checkversion thing. It's the Mr Tech Toolkit [01:20] there's no boot signature in /dev/sda3 because you haven't installed windows to that partition... comment out lines 63-65 [01:20] fire|bird: nice! [01:20] ooops, you're right [01:20] :s [01:21] http://imgur.com/Nw1AS.jpg [01:21] Urchlay, do it now? [01:21] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:21] lol, incredible shrinking pain. :) [01:22] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Added Linux * [01:22] :) [01:25] antiwire: haha, those are awesome [01:25] antiwire: have you tried any of them? they seem a little un-believable [01:25] josefig: you're good to go [01:25] stealth-: I haven't tried any on myself yet but I know they are valid [01:26] josefig: be aware that, when you install windows, it's going to blow your bootloader away [01:26] the rubber hand situation was figured out a while ago and made some headlines in the virtual reality fields [01:26] yes i know, but i going to install windows first and then i re-install the lilo in mbr [01:26] (you'll need to boot the install CD, mount your partition(s), chroot, and rerun lilo, this time with the windows stuff active in lilo.conf) [01:26] ahh!!, i see the changelog ever 5 minutes! when slackware 13 will be released, i will have a heart attack! [01:26] :P [01:26] antiwire: I want to try the laying down one. [01:26] Urchlay: Where did you get the mozex addon from, addons.mozilla.org has it but says "This addon is for older versions of firefox" so then I tried mozex.mozdev.org, but that one won't install. [01:27] stealth-: the ping pong balls? [01:27] antiwire: yeah :) [01:27] hehe [01:27] Urchlay, lilo -M /dev/sda1 mbr is it ok? [01:27] fire|bird: whichever one has the mozex-1.9.9.xpi, I used wget to download that (it's just a zip file with a funny name) [01:27] ok, I'll search for that, thanks. [01:28] just 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' [01:28] muhahaha [01:28] "omg i can hear the universe!!!" [01:28] josefig: ehmm, I am not so sure what -M does that's different from running lilo without it [01:28] :o [01:28] makes sure it writes to the mbr [01:29] josefig: normally I just run lilo with no arguments, everything's in the config file [01:29] boot = /dev/sda <--- that already tells it to write to the MBR [01:29] try catting a wmv into dsp [01:29] antiwire: the universe sounds angry. [01:29] you can you the aliens talking [01:29] hear [01:29] alisonken1church, yes does it write to the mbr_ [01:29] ? [01:30] especially with my volume at 100% :/ [01:30] lol [01:30] cat your kernel into too, just to make sure it sounds right [01:30] I dont have any wmv's otherwise I would try it [01:30] I've never tried any files, just /dev/urandom [01:30] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] /bin/bash is really high pitched XD [01:31] user05439 (n=dsgjkls@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:32] hey [01:32] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] Hi [01:34] hm, on old slack versions, you used to be able to "tcpdump > /dev/dsp" and hear network traffic in real time. It doesn't really work any more (seems to buffer up a lot of input, then bzzzzzt it all at once, then go silent while it waits some more) [01:34] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:35] alice_ (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:35] axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) left irc: Client Quit [01:35] neat trick [01:36] it used to be, anyway [01:36] thats cool. wonder if it will work on my ubuntu box [01:36] stealth-: probably not [01:36] probably last time I tried it, I wasn't yet using ALSA. Might have something to do with it (/dev/dsp is the OSS compatibility device...) [01:37] haha, nope [01:37] man, I dont like ubuntu, but I have my box set up perfectly. [01:37] :( [01:37] for what definition of perfect? [01:37] (it'll be different for everyone...) [01:38] for me, part of "perfect" would include "runs Slackware", but eh, I'm kinda set in my ways... [01:39] it's working for me [01:39] looks nice, has a working backup system, correct ssh keys, etc [01:39] test [01:39] lol [01:39] it sounds like an angry wombat [01:39] axtroz_ (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) joined ##slackware. [01:39] Action: stealth- wonders what an angry wombat sounds like [01:40] like tcpdump going into /dev/dsp [01:40] /exec -o yes <-- like that. [01:40] Action: aceofspades19 wonders what a wombat is [01:40] they sound like this. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [01:40] sudo tcpdump -i wlan0 > /dev/dsp [01:40] then open up ff [01:40] test [01:41] lol I love this sound [01:41] everytime i type a msg here I got sound [01:41] haha [01:41] thats crazy [01:41] tank-man: now I gotta test it... [01:42] start downloading something http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/kernels/hugesmp.s/bzImage [01:42] Device or resource busy [01:43] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [01:43] sorry [01:43] only meant to paste once [01:43] what's the alsa device? [01:43] /dev/dsp works for me, try closing anything using sound like flash in a browser or mp3players [01:44] but i don't wanna close the browser... [01:44] Urchlay: Looks like the "It's All Text" addon will the the same thing. [01:45] fire|bird: yes, except when I actually tried it, it would sit there for a few seconds, then spawn about 15 or 20 xterms, each with vim running (one of which would be editing the file, the others were at the "an edit session is already in progress" message) [01:46] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [01:46] haha, that one doesn't work well then. :P [01:46] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] There, got mozex installed. [01:47] you modified install.rdf to let it install on 3.5? [01:47] or used the whatever-it's-called that bypasses the version check? [01:48] I used Mr Tech Toolkit to bypass the check. [01:48] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:48] hello [01:48] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [01:48] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:48] test test [01:49] :) [01:49] not working yet [01:49] AnonymousRednek: we can't read a word you're saying, try spitting out your gum before speaking into the microphone [01:49] Action: AnonymousRednek spit [01:49] Urchlay: what did you use for textarea, just vim (or gvim), or xterm -e vim, or what. [01:49] xterm -e vim [01:50] ok, thanks. [01:50] xterm -e vim %t [01:50] not putting out anything [01:50] at all [01:50] ok [01:50] (sorry, the %t is necessary) [01:50] no sound [01:50] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [01:50] oh...i got Urchlay's effect [01:50] it buffers it [01:50] yeah [01:50] wish I knew how to avoid that [01:50] Urchlay: when you know, let me know [01:50] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:1cb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:51] Urchlay: know what I'd use to make e-mail stuff go to claws? [01:51] it sounds like someone trashed the pickups of a guitar then tried to play it [01:51] doesn't mozex do the URL type handlers, like mailto: or whatever? [01:51] yeah, it can intercept mailto clicks [01:52] that ought to work then... might not be the only/best way in ff 3.5, I haven't really checked [01:52] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-44.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:52] man, the other night I woke up having a panic attack. that had never happen before [01:52] let's see if it does it on alsa devices [01:52] or just the compat ones [01:52] Urchlay: yeah, I think there's a way to just set claws as default mailer, period, but I'm not sure how. [01:53] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [01:53] trying on /dev/snd/(whatever) [01:53] and it doesn't really seem to be doing anything [01:54] I doubt the /dev/snd/whatever stuff will work, I think with ALSA you have to do a little more than open the device for writing [01:54] yeah, i noticed [01:54] pretty sure you can't just cat a file into /dev/snd/anything the way you can with /dev/dsp [01:54] Urchlay: just found that out [01:55] well, i want to listen to little wing, so the tcpdump must go [01:55] eh, catting wav files into /dev/dsp only sort-of works anyway. [01:55] AnonymousRednek: Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, or somebody else's cover? [01:55] Urchlay: Jimi [01:56] (Concrete Blonde did a decent cover, Skid Row did a horrifically bad one) [01:56] Action: Urchlay has been jamming out to some Jimi today too [01:56] would love to hear jimi redone on a cigar box [01:56] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:57] antiwire: what's a panic attack actually? [01:57] morning all [01:58] Hey dive, how's it going? [01:59] fire|bird, I'm still alseep, yourself? [01:59] dive: doing excellent, thank you. :) [02:01] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:02] user05439 (n=dsgjkls@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:02] hey fire|bird [02:03] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.5.88.188) joined ##slackware. [02:03] y0 Cann0n, how are you? [02:03] good. [02:03] you? [02:04] doing excellent, thanks. [02:04] dive: that flux style is looking excellent. :) [02:05] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:05] thanks :) [02:05] antiwire1 (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [02:05] nice buttons help :) [02:05] antiwire1, is that like air force one? :P [02:05] dive: yeah, it sure come together nicely. [02:07] heh, my eduke32 package didn't need to be rebuilt to work on 13.0rc1 [02:09] On my windows box today, I was messing with Kubuntu (which I have installed alongside windows with wubi), and a batch of updates completely borked it. :P Wallpaper isn't there, panel is messed up, window borders are gone, it's a mess. [02:09] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.21) joined ##slackware. [02:09] apt-get install self-destruct? [02:10] haha, pretty much, yeah. [02:10] fire|bird: its an unstable distro, what did you expect? [02:10] I was just gonna mess with kde 4.3 rc2 on there, but eh, fail. [02:11] aceofspades19: fireworks darn it, not just a miserable fail. :) [02:11] heh [02:11] I put it in a VM now and am gonna try again. [02:11] :) [02:11] I never understood why a lot of people want ubuntu to represent linux when its so unstable [02:12] aceofspades19: agreed, but it seems to have become, to most, that Ubuntu == Linux, which of course it does not. [02:12] the one thing ubuntu seems to be good for, when it's working, is giving to completely nontechnical people and saying "here, you can use my old laptop, enjoy" [02:13] these would be the people who don't ever update the OS anyway [02:13] hey people, does someone know where can i get the sources for polkit-dbus ? [02:13] ubuntu: its good if you never update it [02:13] Ubuntu, it's not just for humans anymore. :P [02:13] Action: fire|bird runs. [02:14] even arch linux doesn't break as much as ubuntu and its supposed to be unstable [02:14] slackware -current is supposed to be unstable, I haven't had a lick of trouble with it [02:14] I've never tried arch. I found slackware first. :D [02:14] One thing Ubuntu is good for is acting as a bridge from the Windows world/mindset to the reality that Linux is the future. Many converts including myself started with Ubuntu. [02:15] I started with RH 7.3 [02:15] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:15] fire|bird: its pretty close to slackware, except you have a package manager like apt-get but its a lot better [02:15] DenNOLA: yeah, but that backfires if it does something like what happened to fire|bird. If it destroys itself when you try to update it, eh, your first-time user will just go "How is this different from windows?" [02:15] I almost started with red hat [02:16] didn't know about centos at the time (maybe it didn't exist then) [02:16] dive: you were going to start with red hat enterprise? [02:16] aceofspades19: Ah, ok. might be nice to toss in a vm. [02:16] bbiab [02:17] Urch: true. Unless you actual care to read and learn about blaoted versus streamilined Os's. But if you can READ then you are already Slackware material. [02:17] redhat 7.3 IIRC didn't come in separate enterprise and community versions, it was still just "red hat linux" [02:17] aceofspades19, well that was the first Linux that I found when I started looking, and this was way back before there were so many distros [02:17] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] oh man... i had a 1/3 a tube of peach yogurt and a glass of chocalate milf with double the suggested spoons of what makes it good! [02:17] so good! [02:17] chocolate milf? [02:17] Urchlay, yeah I think this was before RHEL cae about [02:17] Action: Urchlay blinks [02:17] dive: so centos wouldn't have existed at all [02:18] probably not [02:18] eh, by the time of RH 7.3 though, there were probably 50 or 100 Linux distros in existence (including dead old ones like yggdrasil or SLS) [02:18] Urchlay: yes, at 7.3 and 9.0, there was simply just Red Hat Linux. [02:19] then after 9, it branched off to RHEL and Fedora, and then CentOS off from that. [02:19] Anyway, I stop in from time to time to scream "I love Slackware!" then bail. This is one of those times. See you peoples. [02:19] bb [02:19] fire|bird: during the redhat 6.x time period I decided I really hated redhat, so I barely ever touched 7 and up :) [02:19] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.5.88.188) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:20] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-128-128.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:20] Action: aceofspades19 is watching V for Vendetta [02:20] aceofspades19: like it so far? [02:20] Urchlay: just started [02:20] ah, cool [02:21] liked that one a lot, saw it in theater [02:21] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:22] my friend gave it to me the other day [02:24] aceofspades19: thats a great movie [02:24] is it right to set multiple values like this? [02:24] us,ru [02:25] or use another ? [02:26] with a single value for the same option [02:27] neo8848 (n=standard@203.177.172.188) joined ##slackware. [02:28] hmm dirty work is on hulu [02:28] i guess it is %) [02:28] Action: juice watches [02:32] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:32] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:32] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [02:33] docx98 (n=d@adsl-71-150-66-124.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] Urchlay: lol. I started with 7.3 and then 9.0, then went to Ubuntu, then Fedora, then Debian, and now Slackware. I remember on 7.3 (which used KDE), I compiled all of xfce (plugins and everything) from source. :) [02:39] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@205.172.16.96) joined ##slackware. [02:40] axtroz_ (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) left irc: "Leaving" [02:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:42] i started with 3.2, i win :p [02:42] Lord Slackware Messiah, Son of GNU/Linux, teach me, a hacker. [02:43] 3.2, I'm not sure I was even born then. [02:43] eh, my first slackware ever was 3.3, but I think 3.4 was already out (I just couldn't find a copy, and lacked patience to download one on my crappy modem) [02:43] <== 3.5 zipslack [02:44] i still have the 3.2 CDs [02:44] all four of them [02:44] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:44] in the volkerding signed set from walnut creek cd-rom [02:44] i also have a 3.6 set, likewise [02:44] nice [02:44] I keep getting the same message (slocate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old) [02:44] I have a 3.5 set, from walnut creek [02:44] Hear O Hackerdom, the Source is One! [02:44] Hi, can I run a .sh file every time I connect a usb device. Is one of the files in /etc/rc.d/ run or how can I run something everytime I connect a new usb device? [02:45] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:45] can anyone tell me why this is happening...I thought updatedb ran every day [02:45] Urchlay: bah, I got Kubuntu in a VM now and the repo with kde 4.3 rc2 enabled, and it complains about gpg. :P [02:45] LongeFlucht: I do not think it runs unless you put it in rc.local or something [02:45] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [02:45] y0 init[1] [02:46] LongeFlucht: apparently it's either not being run, or failing. Check root's email (cron jobs' error messages get sent there) [02:46] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:46] or anyway cron jobs that are run by root, as updatedb is. You might also try running updatedb from the command line, see what it does (or doesn't do) [02:46] jamess__: how do you connect the usb device? [02:46] yo fire|bird :) [02:46] jamess__: with a command or in X? [02:46] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:46] fire|bird: im still in that firewall issue :( [02:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.139) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:47] fire|bird: unable to dcc / send files using jabber [02:47] init[1]: gosh, that's sure been haunting you lately. :P [02:47] fire|bird: btw, do you have that problem ? [02:47] I don't have any issues dcc'ing anything, not on irc anyway. I don't use jabber at all. [02:49] Urchlay: If I download a PUBLIC KEY BLOCK (in this Kubuntu VM), I would give it an extension of gpg? or what? [02:49] dchmelik: No I just plug it in, so I want a script to run every time it sees new usb being plugged in [02:49] huh? fire|bird, what do you want to do with this key? [02:50] eh, that's a good guess... if you're just going to use gpg --import on it, the filename won't matter [02:50] is it rc.S [02:50] jamess__: I am not sure what connects them in that case; an expert will have to tell you [02:50] Extensions are meaningless. [02:50] jamess__: if you know it is rc.S, just type the script in there where you want it [02:50] jamess__: I mean the script name [02:50] I suppose if you need KDE to recognize it so you can click on it and have it fire up some KDE-based key manager, the filename would matter [02:50] rob0: I have Kubuntu in a vm, going to install kde 4.3 rc2 on it, and the repo needs the key before it will look at the repo and update. [02:50] I wouldn't even "download" it, just copy/paste to gpg --import [02:51] i think udev loads the usb [02:51] jamess__: that is a good idea [02:51] I think I will have to do that too [02:51] but can I run a new script every time a usb device is connectged? [02:51] ? [02:51] Urchlay: rob0: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2836CB0A8AC93F7A [02:51] if you find where it does that in rc.S [02:51] Urchlay: nothing in there but the initial messages to root after install (LinuxCounter, Packages, etc) [02:52] right, you ought to be able to paste the key into gpg --import like rob0 said [02:52] Urchlay: ok, thank you. [02:52] rob0: thanks [02:52] unless there's some special apt-magic you have to do to make apt recognize it, in which case don't ask in ##slackware cause we dunno :) [02:52] Urchlay: yeah, I know. This doesn't need any apt-magic though. [02:54] LongeFlucht: try running updatedb from the command line, see if it spits out errors instead of doing its job [02:54] Urchlay: I am fine there...it runs without error [02:54] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left ##slackware. [02:54] and I am then good for 8ish days [02:54] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] ok. Make sure cron is actually running? [02:55] Urchlay: heh, I get No Such file or Directory errors. :P [02:56] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:56] slocate is in /etc/cron.daily/ [02:56] then run "crontab -e" as root, make sure the "40 4 * * * /usr/bin/run-parts /etc/cron.daily 1> /dev/null" line is present... if so, check /etc/cron.daily, make sure the file slocate is present, executable, and looks right (should contain "/usr/bin/updatedb -c /etc/updatedb.conf") [02:57] parachutes (n=parachut@189.188.211.228) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:57] if it all looks good, try adding a cron job, "crontab -e" as root, add "* * * * * touch /tmp/cron_works" [02:57] wait a minute or two, see if the file /tmp/cron_works appears [02:58] if it doesn't, cron's not running, or is somehow messed up [02:59] hm, do you have /etc/updatedb.conf? cron.daily/slocate specifically references it on my 13.0rc1 box, dunno about 12.2 [03:00] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@118.173.224.152.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] my cron.daily/slocate only has "/usr/bin/updatedb -c /etc/updatedb.conf" [03:01] right. So check & see if /etc/updatedb.conf exists. [03:01] it does [03:01] what if you run "/etc/cron.daily/slocate" from a prompt? (I bet it works, but try it...) [03:02] Is the machine left running all night? [03:02] it did work (no error message), but went fast as hell [03:03] though I did just updatedb less than 5 min ago [03:03] the speed probably comes from the fact that it just ran a minute ago, all the inodes are still cached [03:03] let me ask this, in reference to rob0's question: [03:04] the daily crons are set to run at 4:40 or something like that daily [03:04] if the machine is not on at 4:40, does the job not get run [03:04] correct [03:04] it does not run [03:05] or will it recognize that and run it upon next boot despite time [03:05] slKIvs (n=ivan@216.96.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:05] if you want to turn it off, look into anacron, I think it's on SBo [03:05] just a question....today, it was definitely on at that time [03:05] so still not sure why not running [03:05] I've had it run on me when I don't go to sleep and briefly freaked out wondering wtf was going on [03:06] well, we're getting into long-shot guesses now, but could there be something like a hung NFS share? [03:06] heh. For me, updatedb running while I'm still up is a sign that I should go to bed already... [03:07] I am tempted to just add it to rc.local [03:07] and remove it from cron.daily [03:07] updatedb won't complete if it runs into a hung NFS share. I've had that happen before, get the 8-day warning and then see 8 or more hung updatedb processes. [03:08] kind of ghetto, but it is a laptop [03:08] anacron was made for laptops [03:08] l0ve (n=lovve_@94.196.197.149.threembb.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:09] IIUC it checks to see what cron jobs were missed while sleeping or powered off. It replaces the Slackware crond. [03:10] haha, redneck houseboat: http://thereifixedit.com/2009/06/01/epic-kludge-photo-redneck-houseboat/ [03:11] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:11] does the use of anacron jack up crond [03:12] I see there is an SBo [03:12] I think it replaced crond entirely [03:12] s/ed/es/ [03:13] but crontabs are probably backward-compatible. You can add anacron-specific features, but the ones we have will work. [03:14] um, I should add, I'm not an anacron user, so this might not be accurate info. I read about it once, long ago. [03:14] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:14] ha...nice [03:15] I think I am just going to go with the rc.local option [03:15] background it ... that will be an annoyingly slow boot [03:17] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@118.173.224.152.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left ##slackware. [03:20] rob0, SLEEP [03:21] Action: rob0 snores [03:21] damn, the snore woke me up [03:21] smores you say? [03:21] lekker! [03:22] liquor? [03:22] yes please [03:22] Lick who? [03:23] reading SlackBuild's page for anacron: it suggests that you add anacron to cron.daily [03:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] so it shouldn't be completely replacing crond [03:24] oh hmmm, sorry, I didn't know [03:26] Hey tewmten [03:26] hoi fire|bird [03:26] tewmten: How's it going? [03:28] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:28] slacking [03:30] playing around with our new IDS in the production DC [03:30] =) [03:30] :O http://imgur.com/uIcbU.gif [03:31] cmair (n=cmair@host39-108-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:31] just installed anacron [03:32] How does the crond that is started from rc.M know about a user setup cron job? [03:32] nice piece about it is that the actual "jobs" it is preconfigured to run are the cron.daily/weekly/monthly [03:33] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [03:35] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [03:36] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:40] docx98 (n=d@adsl-71-150-66-124.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: [03:42] forklift driving fail: http://www.failgif.com/2009/03/031209-forklift-collapse.html [03:43] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] do all distros and systems use the same module for firewire? if so, whats it called? [03:44] that whole warehouse is a safety fail [03:44] fire|bird, epic destruction. i wonder how long he's going to fix that %) [03:44] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:44] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@205.172.16.96) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:44] the operations manager should have been fired [03:45] john_dee: yeah, and I love comment # 4: I accidentally the whole warehouse... [03:45] lol [03:45] Action: john_dee lolz @ him running away from his ride :D [03:46] He's lucky he got out of there. [03:46] this is funny I watched these videos last night and then today digg and people in irc keep posting links to them [03:46] that one and serveral others [03:46] yeah, that looks heavy [03:46] he ran fast, it looked like he expected that to happen [03:46] I would have froze up in a "awww shit" moment [03:46] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@205.172.16.96) joined ##slackware. [03:47] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [03:47] he must not have been paying attention, the crate or whatever he has there was clearly going to clip the shelves, but then, he maybe didn't think the crate would take all the shelving out. [03:47] http://www.tooshocking.com/ [03:49] juice: WOW, that crane one. [03:49] those warehouse workers moved fast [03:49] hah yeah [03:49] http://www.tooshocking.com/videos/7165/Hilarious_Elaborate_Nutshot_Prank [03:50] that is just cruel [03:51] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.21) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:51] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-8d38f3a21662d86d) joined ##slackware. [03:52] hi [03:52] juice: hahahahahahahaha [03:52] wtf... [03:52] this is from the crontab(1) man page on Slackware...http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/4sSAE884.html [03:52] so which one is correct? [03:52] i have meetings today in the afternoon from 5pm to 7:30pm [03:52] ffs [03:52] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:52] Channel flood from tewmten -- kicking [03:52] its monday?! [03:52] tewmten kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:53] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [03:53] wb tewmten ;) [03:53] cheers [03:54] rob0: nice suggestion [03:54] installed anacron, put it in rc.local as well [03:54] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-93.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:54] dorin_ro (n=dorin@89.123.167.64) joined ##slackware. [03:54] hy [03:54] ran "slocate anacron" before a reboot and nada [03:54] ran it immediately after reboot and nada [03:55] Redinger|off (i=Redinger@haut.dir.gleich.nen.paar.drauf.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:55] about 5 min after reboot and I get my list [03:57] http://failblog.org/2009/07/12/casino-marquee-fail/ \o/ windows strikes again. [03:57] can i assign to a keyboard buton (for example buton a comand (terminal comand)?;how? [03:59] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-114.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:00] guys http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/n0HIkH37.html [04:00] any help there? [04:00] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-146.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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Y . ) .,--O=====8 [04:18] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [04:18] zaltekk: if I use 1280x800 in console aand need to display lots of text, I sometimes switch vt for a second, the text will have been displayed ;) [04:19] How can I change my crontab editor away from this elvis bullshit? [04:20] vim is fine [04:20] antiwire: cd /usr/bin; rm vi; ln -s vim vi [04:21] Zordrak: it's only that symlink? not some env var? [04:21] vi is always a symlink in slack [04:21] by default to elvis [04:22] I see that part but crontab doesn't use some env var? [04:22] uhh yeah... EDITOR [04:22] I saw that in a google search but env | grep EDITOR comes up empty for my user [04:23] but since you referred to elvis as /bullshit/ i thought you might prefer to simply default to vim [04:23] yeah [04:23] it is bullshit and I'm going to change that symlink but I'm also wondering now why $EDITOR is empty for me [04:23] its not set unless its set [04:24] there is another way : if you don't install elvis, when you install vim, the vi symlink will point to vi :) [04:25] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:25] elvis makes me want to throw things [04:25] Action: Camarade_Tux has been browsing his spun down hard drive for ten seconds now, still not woken up, cache is coooool :) [04:26] antiwire: restrict yourself to the alphanumeric part of you keyboard, no "special" key and it'll be fine ;p [04:26] (well, alphanumeric + a few keys) [04:26] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.214) joined ##slackware. [04:26] oh, starting up [04:26] Camarade_Tux, vbox 3.0.2 fixes the issues [04:26] up :) [04:26] juice: ok, good :) [04:27] (god, they're already at .2, two versions...) [04:27] yeah made me happy [04:27] they didn't have a .1 i know of [04:27] antiwire: I've just checked : next time, don't install elvis and when you install vim, the doinst will ( cd usr/bin ; ln -sf vim vi ) ;) [04:28] he, "APIC: fixed high idle load for certain Linux guests (3.0 regression)" [04:28] or: .bash_profile:1:export VISUAL=/usr/bin/vim [04:29] all good. [04:30] josefig (i=1000@201.164.81.24) joined ##slackware. [04:30] lol, im back with a new problem. [04:30] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:31] how can i make aumix use defaut card given by ~/.asoundrc [04:31] some one has an atheros wireless card? [04:32] josefig: what is the actual problem? [04:34] josefig, one of my cards is atheros. what's the issue? [04:35] antiwire: ok, i've got a atheros wireless card and i installed the madwifi correctly, it's loaded the module and it appears everything is ok, actually i can scan the networks but when i tried to connect to my home network i can't i used the assistant and in console mode and nothing :/ [04:35] josefig, using slackware 12.2? [04:35] yep [04:35] why? [04:35] josefig: first, are you using encryption and if so, what type? [04:35] WEP [04:35] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [04:36] get yourself a .29 kernel and try ath5k instead of madwifi. works like a charm. (and i never managed to bring madwifi up). [04:36] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:36] josefig: you can setup /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf to use wpa_supplicant and then configure a network block in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf for your network [04:37] antiwire: lemme check [04:38] or even a .30 kernel (did not test that one though) [04:40] h3nry (n=h3nry@unaffiliated/h3nry) joined ##slackware. [04:41] josefig: here are two examples for each of those files I mentioned. Just keep an eye on the section number for the rc.inet1.conf example. you might need to change the interface name, hostname and section numbers to match your setup: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/nhYAKV63.html [04:41] in that example the section number is 4 [04:42] antiwire, i got it [04:42] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/nhYAKV63.html [04:42] uhm, sorry. [04:43] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:44] after you make those changes you can try this to restart networking, as root: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [04:46] do it! [04:46] restart that shit [04:46] show your ethernet who is boss! [04:48] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:50] Madwifi was excellent in pre-ath5k kernel days. Still the only solid way to have an access point. [04:51] But ath5k is coming along, might work in master mode soon. [04:51] maybe even in .30 [04:51] it's enabled in 2.6.31rc2 already [04:51] i think it will be in the final 2.6.31 but not 2.6.30* [04:52] I enabled it in my .29.5 and found that it was buggy and useless. [04:52] yeah [04:52] Can someone tell me if im missing a step for getting my wireless drivers up on my netbook, i installed madwifi and madwifi-tools then wicd but it still doesnt see my card and I dont remember how I did it on my other box [04:52] right now I have a machine running 27.7 with madwifi, as the access point [04:53] lolwut, what Slackware and kernel version is this? [04:53] rob0, whatever ships with 12.2 [04:53] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [04:53] 12.2 has ath5k, which should work fine. [04:54] (you should not have messed with madwifi) [04:54] there's a reason why it's called MAD wifi! [04:54] it's loco! QOHWOWEHOHF!@#$ [04:54] lol [04:54] yes i think i drank too many espressos.. [04:54] Multiband Atheros Driver! [04:54] well thats what I remembered having to do for the computer I'm on now [04:54] i'm hyper like the fucken road-runner [04:54] meep meep! [04:54] Action: tewmten runs away [04:54] but even before it I couldnt get wicd to see the card on my netbook [04:55] does the system even show the card? [04:55] no [04:55] The netbook has an atheros WNIC in it? What chipset? [04:55] however - the ath5k still had some problems in ap/bridge mode (although the later versions of madwifi had bridge problems as well) [04:55] forget about wicd until you can see the card in the system, with iwconfig at least [04:55] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [04:55] I dont know, its the 1000he eeepc and google told me it was atheros [04:56] lolwut: well did you check for yourself? [04:56] lspci is your friend [04:56] what does lspci show you? [04:56] is it built-in? if so, lspci -v is helpful [04:56] My Eeepc 900 has atheros. [04:56] i'll laugh hard if it's realtek [04:58] its uuuh RaLink RT2860...so im guessing realtek lol [04:58] i feel dumb [04:58] that's not realtek it's RaLink... [04:59] oh [04:59] Ralink [04:59] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@ip-118-90-125-89.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:00] it should work out-of-the-box with a stock Slackware kernel. [05:00] is there a madwifi equivilant for RaLink? [05:00] what's happening guys [05:00] how do I get it working then because it wasnt lol [05:00] I don't see support for 28XX in 2.6.29.5 even [05:01] FSF recommends Ralink, so I figured it was pretty well supported. [05:01] can I use ndiswrapper? [05:01] this might be useful http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html [05:02] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.82.87.42) joined ##slackware. [05:02] and http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/ReleaseNote-RT2860.txt [05:02] ralink.rapla.net IIRC [05:03] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.211.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:06] antiwire nope, i gues i gonna get the new kernel [05:07] antiwire, if i just installpkg on the one for my card do you think it will work? [05:07] ...that's not a package [05:07] you need to build it [05:08] oh.. [05:08] someone needs a little slackbook alone time [05:08] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:08] Im umm..new lol [05:08] thats the point [05:08] then you better start reading some manuals :P [05:08] btw, it built fine for me under -current [05:09] I can't test it and I also didn't download the firmware for it but it does at least build [05:09] I read the manuals when I know which ones to read lol [05:10] what is rubbing you the wrong way? [05:10] lolwut: http://www.slackbook.org/ [05:11] well I thought the driver for my netbook was atheros based because every other model is but it turns out mine isnt and now I have to figure out how to get it to work [05:11] if you would have read that book you would have known how to use lspci and never went through all of that [05:12] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.214) left irc: "Auribus teneos lupus: I hold the wolf by the ears" [05:12] lolwut: You will probably need this http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/RT2860_Firmware_V11.zip. Unzip and put the .bin into /lib/firmware and then build that other tarball [05:12] it might work [05:12] wait wait wait [05:13] if it is an ralink it has kernel support [05:13] oh i forgot, macavity is here now so he'll go ahead and take over every conversation [05:13] and no, there isn't a 2860 driver in 2.6.29.5 even [05:13] lol [05:13] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:13] this is probably a really dumb question but how do I build it.. :/ [05:14] yup, antiwire is right [05:14] i was about to suggest the wireless-compat package, which has backports of all the wireless drivers from .30, but no 2860 yet [05:15] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:17] antiwire, it wont let me unzip because it says its using back slashes for something [05:17] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:17] It unzipped fine for me [05:17] What did you do to the file name? [05:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:17] 7zip and arc wont do it [05:17] wtf? [05:18] LOL [05:18] lolwut: try "unzip" :P [05:18] :x [05:18] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.214) joined ##slackware. [05:18] lol now i really feel dumb [05:19] http://tinyurl.com/ysqz6t [05:19] don't feel too bad.. unzip RT-whatever gave me the same errors when i unzipped it but it unzipped it anyways [05:19] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.87.42) joined ##slackware. [05:19] antiwire: there is a rt2860sta driver in the 2.6.29.5 kernel [05:20] alienBOB: what is the CONFIG_* for it? [05:20] It is in Slackware too [05:20] Look at our .config [05:20] 3905:CONFIG_RT2860=m [05:22] antiwire: you will have to also enable "staging drivers": CONFIG_STAGING=y or you will not see this rt2860sta driver as an option in the kernel configuration [05:22] alienBOB: I see it in the config but I don't see it in my menuconfig [05:22] can i use alsamixer instead of aumixer -v 10 ? how? [05:23] alienBOB: That's why I didn't see it in menuconfig, thanks. [05:23] lolwut: my eeepc 1000h also has the rt2860 chip and Slackware-current supports it right out of the box. [05:23] alienBOB: does it need that external firmware? [05:24] legendulo (n=rpj@92.85.221.20) joined ##slackware. [05:26] antiwire: no [05:26] alienBOB, do I need to switch to -current to make use of it? [05:26] Yes [05:26] Or install a new kernel [05:27] how annoying that they dont provide that staging drivers in the wireless-compat package :-/ [05:27] *the [05:27] alienBOB, will the build script for making a bootable flashdrive work with -currnt? [05:28] The rt2860sta may be "staging" but it is a very solid driver (I use it for the full battery charge time and it never fails) [05:28] lolwut: what script [05:29] alienBOB, I think its one you wrote, i used it and it created a fat partition and a ntfs on on my jumpdrive so I could boot off of it [05:31] alienBOB: all the more reason that it should be included in the wireless-compat package [05:31] alienBOB, its called create_multipartboot.sh [05:33] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.82.87.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@ip-118-90-125-89.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [05:34] is there a way to just like update or something from 12.2 to -current or should I just fresh install [05:34] fresh install [05:34] well technically you can update ;) [05:35] slava_dp: do you happen to know the update path? [05:35] So on a netbook w/o a cddrive how would I go about doing that lol [05:35] macavity, Bob knows [05:35] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.212) joined ##slackware. [05:35] ech0s7 (n=ech0s7@217.203.5.248) joined ##slackware. [05:35] hi [05:35] slava_dp: then give him Bob's email adress so he can get help from him :P [05:36] i have a file with this permission: drwxrwx--T, what T stay for ? [05:37] slava_dp: seriously, the only way to upgrade from 12.2 to -current is to [re]compile some packages before you begin [05:37] oh noes [05:38] ech0s7: i belive it means "sticky" [05:38] ech0s7, T is the sticky bit. [05:38] has no effect on files. [05:38] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.214) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [05:39] ech0s7, google for "linux advanced file permissions" [05:40] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.87.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:40] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.250) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:40] i recall it's lowercase when the last execute permission is set, and uppercase when otherwise. [05:41] macavity: why is re-compiling some packages needed to upgrade from 12.2 to -current? [05:41] hoi dtanner [05:42] sup tewmten =) [05:42] chillin [05:42] sup with you? :) [05:42] you ##slackware ol timer =) [05:43] dtanner: you xz, new tar and new pkgtools, but the problem is that the new tar gets hickups without the new glibc-solibs package... which is in .txz format [05:43] *you need xz [05:43] anyone have an idea as to how to install -current w/o a cd drive or network connection [05:43] lolwut: can you down load to a USB connectable HDD from another computer? [05:43] tewmten: there are still a few of us left. i have noticed that the other ol timers from this #... some are still here but never need to ask questions anymore and.or they got tired of answering quetsion and idle 24/7 forever [05:44] tewmten: not much here. just waking up [05:44] lolwut, /usb_and_pxe_installers/ in the slackware tree. [05:44] slava_dp++ [05:44] slava_dp thanks [05:45] dtanner: yeah im just here for the chatting )( [05:45] :) [05:46] macavity: 12.2 here and I installed pkgtools and xz from -current but i haven't trid upgrading tar yet but I wouldn't think i would have to recompile it. just go to telinit 1 and start the upgrade ( including glibc-solibs of course ) [05:47] dtanner: you need the new tar or pkgtools will bomb out when you try a .txz package [05:47] ech0s7 (n=ech0s7@217.203.5.248) left irc: "Sto andando via" [05:47] i would think that after installing -currents pkgtools and xz that you could just continue on a normal UPGRADE.TXT [05:47] dtanner: it would be nice if you proved me wrong [05:48] i will [05:48] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.221.20) joined ##slackware. [05:48] slava_dp, is that image just the slackware loader? [05:49] lolwut, yes. you will need to copy the package tree by hand to the same usb medium. [05:50] how do I boot from that and have the tree on there? Do i make two partitions one with the loader and one with the tree? [05:50] lolwut: make sure it starts with the slackware dir in / so the installer can find them automatically [05:51] hm, about cloning filesystems with dd.. does that play nice with NTFS? [05:51] Action: dtanner smashes NTFS with a WAR HAMMER [05:51] lolwut: hey.. [05:52] lolwut: as soon as you have the -current installer booted you should have support for you wifi [05:53] will it have the wpasupplicant support or w/e for encryption? [05:53] tewmten, there is fsarchiver, supposed to work better (and supports compression too!) [05:53] lolwut: that is a very good question [05:53] alienBOB: you still around? [05:54] i don't suppose the installer has wpa_supplicant :P but wep seems to be built-in, so you could just specify the key to iwconfig. [05:54] oh wait [05:54] ntfsclone might do the trick [05:54] roelof (i=0@cc1215646-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:54] lets try this.. [05:55] macavity, do i just copy the image onto the disk into / with the tree? ive never done it before lol [05:55] dtanner: =) [05:55] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-45.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:55] hello, i have a little questoin : for a theme engine I need kdelibs 4.2.95 [05:56] can i download that and install it or do i have to install another version of kde [05:56] lolwut: you should read the text document [05:57] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [05:57] macavity, what text document? [05:57] sloinn (n=a@78-136-169-47.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [05:58] lolwut: usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [05:58] macivity, its not there..in either the 12.2 or -current [05:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:59] hey, is it possible to set routes in rc.inet1.conf automatically or I have to put it into rc.inet1 ? [05:59] cause I don't use dhcp and I need to set it manually [06:00] macavity: the Slackware installer does not support wireless network installs [06:00] dorin_ro (n=dorin@89.123.167.64) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:00] lolwut, you should *always* read the provided documentation. like here: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [06:00] I would but i couldnt find it [06:01] thanks [06:01] alienBOB: i just found out :P [06:02] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-114.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:02] and now i just found out that "cat file | cpio -i" does not work like tar :P [06:03] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:03] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:04] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:04] anyone who can help me ? [06:05] legendulo (n=rpj@92.85.221.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:05] macavity, what's the use of cpio? [06:05] roelof: what version of slacwkare are you on? [06:05] current [06:05] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:05] and current has version 4.2.4 of kdelibs [06:05] roelof, that's kde 3.0 alpha libraries. [06:06] s/3.0/4.3/ [06:06] roelof, you will not get them in slack till 4.3 comes out. [06:06] macavity, thanks :P [06:06] roelof: you will probably have to re-compile all of KDE then [06:07] roelof: i dont know if kdebase-4.2.4 is happy running on kdelibs-something-else-than-4.2.4 [06:07] oke, then i have to search for another glass - theme [06:07] roelof: patience is probably your best freind [06:07] that must be a "helluva" theme [06:07] roelof: or, if you can live with things being constantly semi broken, try Arch linux.. they probably have 4.3 packages by now [06:08] josefig (i=1000@201.164.81.24) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [06:08] Redinger|off (i=Redinger@haut.dir.gleich.nen.paar.drauf.org) joined ##slackware. [06:08] i use the daisy plasmoid and look for a theme which looks good with it [06:08] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.221.20) left irc: Connection timed out [06:08] slava_dp: unside usbboot.img there is a gzipped cpio archive called initrd.img :P [06:09] has anyone attempted to install postfix 2.6.x using the SBo script with a version bump? Hoping it's that simple [06:10] dtanner, where can I find that helluva theme [06:10] it's not on kde-look.org [06:10] haha [06:10] slava_dp: so zcat initrd.img | cpio -i spams it contents over $PWD (and not initrd/ like the swiss cheese that is my brain told me) [06:10] sloinn (n=a@78-136-169-47.client.ufon.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [06:10] thats a classic [06:11] oke, i know enough to stop with this. macavity [06:11] :-) [06:11] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:11] roelof: i was reffering to the theme you want that you are willing to try and change out libs for. [06:12] how do I just download from one of the mirrors? wget just gets me the .html of the page, I really just feel retarded today [06:12] lolwut: your hand-holding time is about to expire... 3,2,1 [06:12] maxote (n=||||||||@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:13] sorry :/ [06:13] bah.. /me shoulda looked closer [06:13] dtanner, that's a road I'm willing to walk [06:13] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:13] lolwut: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/ [06:13] im learning slackware [06:13] stealth- (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) joined ##slackware. [06:13] roelof: http://slackbook.org [06:14] lulz!! http://www.vagabondish.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/wenger-85-swiss-army-knife.jpg [06:14] dtanner, thats where I am but i want to grab the whole -current dir at once [06:14] they now managede to pack so much crap into one tool that you possitively cant use a single one of them :P [06:14] maxote (n=||||||||@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [06:14] im going for a lunch now, everybody thanks for the help [06:15] yw [06:15] lolwut: just use alienBOBs mirror script if you are not familar with rsync. [06:15] lolwut: open the ftp address in konqueror, right click, pick copy, go to appropriate place, right click, pick paste [06:15] lolwut, http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/tools/rsync_current.sh [06:16] macavity, wrong [06:16] :P [06:16] slava_dp: first rule of magic: there is no point in waving your hands and *hoping*... when a club or stone will do! :P [06:17] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-14-223-65.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.21.150) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:17] macavity, then i suggest grabbing a usb hdd and going to one of the mirror servers, plugging it in and cp'ing -current o_o [06:18] oh yes.. that would be great [06:18] .. my local mirror is in Norway [06:18] im goin back to bed. later [06:18] later dtanner [06:18] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [06:18] that is only like a 50km hike, then a 250km swim, then another 80km hike :P [06:18] ill be there in no time! [06:18] Hello! [06:19] !olleH [06:19] macavity, well you are doing it for a noble cause -- to get Slackware! so must be worth it :) [06:19] slava_dp, thanks, I was trying to figure out what I was missing there for ever didnt know about rsync [06:20] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-51e751d702501d05) joined ##slackware. [06:20] hi [06:20] lolwut, just put the right mirror in the script and run it. you can then stop and resume whenever you wish. [06:21] slava_dp: i just see two problems with it: a) my usb enclosure is not water proof, and b) i swim about as well as boulder [06:21] slava_dp: so, the consequence would be that i "drowned slackware" :-/ [06:21] that could be used to scare even not-so-small kids [06:25] roelof (i=0@cc1215646-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [06:25] slava_dp macavity, thanks for all the help [06:27] so you have a USB HDD up and running? [06:28] waiting for the rsync to finish [06:28] I have a 12.2 one up and running [06:28] macavity: a) put your hdd in a plastic bag ;) [06:29] Action: Camarade_Tux could be hugging a local mirror in fifteen minutes [06:29] paissad (n=paissad@137.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:30] macavity: using slackware.no? [06:31] Camarade_Tux: yes [06:31] lolwut: did you say slackware-current/slackware/ or just slackware-current/ ? [06:32] macavity: actually I'm using slackware.no too since my lolca mirror doesn't offer rsync ='( [06:32] I'm sure I wrote lolcal instead of local because of lolcats :) [06:32] s/lolcal/lolca/ [06:32] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.36.163) joined ##slackware. [06:33] Camarade_Tux: it just gave me 690KB/s on usbboot.img :P [06:33] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:33] macavity, i just ran the script as is [06:34] macavity, using norwegian mirror? [06:34] macavity, are you from norway? [06:34] macavity: I usually get _more_ than 400KB/s so I'm happy :) [06:34] macivity, which i think downloads just slackware-current/ [06:35] lolwut: in that case you will be downloading all the sources too :P [06:35] I'd like to try but everything is up-to-date here ;p [06:35] plee: nope, i am Danish [06:35] macavity, i want the sources though, i think.. [06:35] ok :) I'm norwegian :) [06:36] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks it's always better to get the sources [06:36] Action: slava_dp never gets sources. [06:37] are they needed? [06:37] i so rarely need them that i just cherry pick them when i do [06:37] lolwut: you should your question to yourself really.. [06:37] lolwut: only if you want to remake a package in another way [06:37] Action: plee is going outside to get some sun :) Strawberries ftw :) [06:38] for the most part and to most people, they are not needed [06:38] i have only ever used the Mesa and the xorg build scripts/sources [06:39] Hi. Why does after any use of pkgtool freetype is turns off? (in current) [06:39] and that is because i have Intel graphics :P [06:39] i build a dnsutils package from bind. but stopped syncing the sources a while ago [06:39] i have used the xorg slackbuild just once too. but for a different reason. [06:39] Starchaser: "freetype"? [06:41] yes exactly freetype [06:41] source/ lets you check the slackbuilds too ad for me it's really useful :) [06:42] lolwut: if you dont want the sources you can just stop the script and exchange --exclude "pasture/*" with --exclude "pasture/* source/*" [06:43] Starchaser: as in, true type fonts stop working in X? [06:43] don't know, if i make upgradepkg --reinstall freetype-...tgz it becomes fine [06:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [06:44] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:44] that IS strange [06:45] how is pkgtool related to freetype? :x [06:45] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [06:45] the freetype package only contains one interesting thing: /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.3.20 [06:46] so it is not like there is any service start or anything [06:46] slava_dp, it's very ogg, all is well, but freetype [06:46] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Does anybody run nagios in Slackware? I could find nagios-plugins at SBo, but not nagios itself. What's the trick, or I've just overlooked something? [06:47] Starchaser, what exactly do you see on the screen? corrupt fonts or no fonts at all? [06:47] slava_dp, yeah, it fixes when i make upgradepkg --reinstall for freetype [06:47] evanton, Zordrak does, bug him :-) [06:48] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-194004.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:49] hello ppl [06:49] he is the submitter of nagios-plugins Slackbuild IIRC, yes [06:50] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:50] 5 minutes idle, let's hope he'll notice the highlight [06:50] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.21) left ##slackware. [06:51] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [06:52] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [06:56] any good OCR that doesn't need kde? [06:57] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:57] cmair (n=cmair@host39-108-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:00] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [07:00] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Camarade_Tux, what [07:00] what's the one that needs kde? ^) [07:01] bah, OCR isn't english [07:01] a software to recognize characters on a file from a scanner [07:02] slava_dp: can't remember :) [07:02] Action: slava_dp knows what ocr is, just pressed enter at the wrong time [07:03] the kde thing is called sane IIRC [07:04] fail [07:04] nah, sane is just to get the image, not to get text from an image [07:04] sane == Scanner Access Now Easy [07:04] scanner access nevar egain :-) [07:05] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [07:05] there was the openocr project, they started not so long ago, might want to check out their progress [07:07] aperturefever1 (n=george@athedsl-199461.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:07] http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/ [07:07] that is the google sponsored one [07:08] I'll test both =) [07:09] ok.. ocropus does not look user freindly.. [07:10] and openocr might not even work =) [07:11] oh, i think that the ocropus will work as advertized.. i just dont think it is easy to work with [07:12] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:12] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [07:14] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:14] anyhows.. time hit the shower [07:14] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Camarade_Tux: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&K=ocr&do_Search=Go [07:22] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:22] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [07:23] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [07:28] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-194004.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:31] french people rock :) [07:32] s/rock/smell/ :) [07:32] a french journalist wants to make a journey around the world in 80 days, but ... only with his bike (except for oceans of course) :o [07:32] Zordrak: pfff -_- [07:33] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.211.227) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Zordrak: you're the nagios guy? :-) [07:35] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.211.227) left irc: Client Quit [07:36] evanton: uh [07:36] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [07:36] evanton: maybe - depending on what that actually means [07:36] welanx2 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:37] Zordrak: I was looking at SBo for nagios, found slackbuild for nagios-plugins only [07:37] welanx1 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:37] hi ya'll [07:37] Zordrak: I've asked about it here, so these nice guys told me to bug you :) [07:38] yes.. i only have one installation oy the server and it hasnt been touched in a while.. so i didnt get around to making a slackbuild for it.. the plugins and nrpe daemon however need installing on every single slack machine on the network.. so it was a no brainer to make and submit the builds [07:38] aha [07:38] so there is no SlackBuild for nagios at SBo? [07:39] no [07:39] ok, thanks [07:39] aperturefever1 (n=george@athedsl-199461.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving." [07:41] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [07:43] evanton: use checkinstall if you can't find a SlackBuild on SBo and/or you can't/don't-want-to write your own. [07:43] evanton: get the cvs/git version though. a bug was fixed. [07:46] there we go [07:46] revoking user access [07:46] my favorite task of the day! [07:49] s/checkinstall/src2pkg/ [07:50] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:51] never tried src2pkg... checkinstall works fine for me. i might check it out though. [07:51] if something works i don't fsck with it usually [07:53] i remember my first job at a central office ( AT&T 5e switch with a 3b20 running UNIX for the main brain ) ... my boss told me "A good rule of thumb about computing is to move around the system 'gracefully'" [07:53] i have never forgotten that. [07:54] that just popped into my head for some reason [07:56] in other words don't just start screwing with sh&t like most of the noobs have already done that come in here with an emergency. =) [07:56] sure ;) [07:56] dtanner: do you know if you guys might do a gsb64 for 13? :) [07:57] dtanner is from gware team, not gsb [07:57] i have considered it. as soon as I get this new 1tb drive installed I might install slackware64 and start on gware64. [07:57] and yes, what alienBOB said =) [07:57] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:58] sorry, I was looking at gsb's site, but thinking of gware :) [07:59] ok, good to hear :) [07:59] I have been spending a lot of time working out the ConsoleKit/PolicyKit/hal crap lately. [07:59] there is a bug with ConsoleKit having to be re-started when booting into run level 4 with gdm. [08:00] not sure where the problem is yet but restarting console-kit-daemon corrects it. I have been looking through logs and docs for days... [08:00] I read at one time it used to spawn a lot of processes [08:00] it doesn't do that here [08:00] or, threads, maybe [08:01] i have read about that issue on some distros though [08:01] Thom1 (n=Thom1@79.84.233.51) joined ##slackware. [08:01] hi [08:02] is it true that KDE 4.3 will make the use of policykit & consolekit mandatory? [08:02] consolekit is the one that spawns 100 processes [08:02] it affects kdm also so I am assuming it is not gdm. and the fact that restarting console-kit-daemon corrects it points the finger pretty hard [08:03] sahko: not for me it doesn't, but like I said , i have read about that problem. [08:04] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:04] l0ve (n=lovve_@94.196.197.149.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:04] not sure what version of kde but I am pretty sure that future versions will need polkit and consolekit [08:04] 4.3 will indeed [08:04] sahko: afaik (and as rworkma* said), yes [08:05] at this point gnome 2.24.3 doesn't "require" it but it will use it. [08:05] you have to recompile hal also [08:05] bad news. ill consider staying with 13 for a while if thats the case [08:05] if you want to use pk and ck [08:06] sahko: it is not that bad... i only have one issue with it right now. at least pam is not specifically required. [08:06] the thing is those technologies dont work reliably yet. and their usefulness is questionable [08:06] those + devicekit are supposed to kill hal, I think [08:07] in fact, it gives you greater control of what user(s) can access/do [08:07] thrice`: eventually maybe. not any time soon. and devicekit is only introduced in gnome [08:07] afaik [08:07] I wouldn't be so sure. ubuntu is slated to not rely on hal in its next release: [08:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy [08:07] what about the xorg server though? [08:08] that's being moved to libgudev from udev [08:08] ah, libudev [08:08] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) joined ##slackware. [08:12] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-220.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:14] i wonder what kind of files will you have to edit with libudev eg to get an extra keyboard layout [08:14] that's the stuff that isn't in xorg yet. having to write udev rules would be much worse than hal's fdi files :> [08:15] /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.vdi? [08:15] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) left irc: "Leaving" [08:15] so when will linux achieve world dominance? [08:16] hi all [08:16] hello gtl [08:17] how's it going, dtanner ? [08:17] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:18] good, going for a ride this morning while it is still below 10000 degrees [08:18] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:19] gtl: i found out something interesting... leaving all the config files untouched and killing/restarting console-kit-daemon fixes the automount problem. you can test this for me when you get a chance i would appreciate it. [08:19] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [08:19] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:20] I'll only be able to test this tonight, 12 hours from now [08:20] np [08:21] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:22] atm I'm using kde on -current [08:22] will install gware's packages to test this later ;) [08:23] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:23] dtanner: do you start gnome with "ck-launch-session gnome-session", or just "exec" ? [08:24] exec $GNOME_SESSION_SETTINGS $CK_SESSION gnome-session [08:24] but that is .xinitrc which gdm does not use [08:24] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:24] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:f) joined ##slackware. [08:24] according to all the docs i have read gdm is console-kit "aware" [08:25] thrice`: starting gware/gnome form run level 3 everything works as it should. it is only in runlevel 4 ( gdm) where i have to restart console-kit-daemon [08:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-149-117.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:25] sup dtanner [08:26] hey nix_chix0r. not much here but having coffee and a cigar. [08:26] how about you? [08:27] meh woke up at 5am to feed baby and i can't get back to sleep. waiting on the hospital to call me to see if i can come in today. chainsmoking debating food [08:27] wow, looking at other distros, alot seem to stick with gdm 2.20.x still [08:27] thrice`: to be more precise $CK_SESSION is running /usr/bin/ck-launch-session in .xinitrc [08:29] dtanner@seventakeone:~$ checkpkg gdm [08:29] gdm-2.20.9-i486-1gwK [08:29] you'd think if you call to make an appointment because you're concerned you'll have a nervous breakdown that they wont put you on hold for 20minutes and then say call back monday to see if we can overbook you [08:29] and for those interested that "checkpkg" is an alias =) [08:30] nix_chix0r: yeah, doctors/hospitals can be that way. I have learned that the heard way [08:31] s/heard/hard/ [08:32] Action: slava_dp has /usr/bin/chkpkg too. a one line script that does the same. [08:32] alias checkpkg='ls /var/adm/packages/ | grep -i --color=auto $1' [08:32] my friend shouldn't have given me books on bipolar disorder [08:32] i read too much into things [08:33] don't fall for that crap and let them put you on all kinds of dangerous meds. [08:33] things make a lot of sense to me in that book and i'm wondering if it's all in my head because i want it there [08:33] more so for diagnosing purposes to figure out things [08:33] just because you like to stay up all hours and sleep odd hours don't mean anything. and "moodiness" is human nature. [08:34] well exactly and i'm sure when i get the referral from the dr and see a therapist the will be knowlegable about what is just human nature and what really is a chemical imbalance and what needs to be done [08:34] they love to hand uot those damn meds [08:35] crap [08:35] my mom calls it postpartum but i've had those feelings prior [08:35] kinda just want to talk to some one who wont try to one up me on their problems before i go nuts [08:36] see a therapist and don't take the meds is my advice. or talk to a good friend. [08:36] Oh yeah?! I have AIDS! [08:36] tooly (n=tooly@e178157001.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:36] straterra, every one has aids [08:36] sheesh [08:36] get something cool [08:37] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [08:37] i was watching a pen and teller episode last night on circumsision and ron jeremy was on it. and i was told he died of aids didnt think to google it though [08:38] l0ve (n=lovve_@94.197.128.157.threembb.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:40] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:40] http://thehealthyskeptic.org/the-chemical-imbalance-myth/ [08:40] hello slackers [08:41] hihi [08:43] dtanner, interesting read [08:43] what do I use to check the asc file on the slackware packages? [08:46] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dfa79e5eaec46f00) joined ##slackware. [08:47] axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) joined ##slackware. [08:48] tooly (n=tooly@e178157001.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [08:51] plee : gpg [08:52] ananke, thanks :) [08:52] mornin' ananke [08:53] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:54] morning [08:54] have any good home brew lately? [08:55] actually, just this morning i found a couple bottles on my desk. i need to ask what they are [08:55] =) [08:55] http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/07/100-basic-geek-skills-for-geeks/ [08:57] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Thom1 (n=Thom1@79.84.233.51) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [09:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] ppl, I'm having problems building vmmon-only for vmware... [09:02] does anyone else got errors building this? [09:02] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dfa79e5eaec46f00) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:03] yuck vmware [09:03] qemu! 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[09:34] :noh [09:35] ah, cool, thx [09:35] h3nry (n=h3nry@unaffiliated/h3nry) left irc: "Leaving" [09:40] spook, qemu build failed [09:41] qemu-sparc32plus [09:41] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] is this intended for building sparc vms? [09:41] lol dont build for sparc32 then? [09:42] what gcc version are you using? [09:42] 4.3.3 [09:42] what version of qemu? [09:42] hitest (i=hitest@h24-207-29-70.dlt.dccnet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:43] from sbo, 1.4.0pre1-1 [09:43] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Just compiled FF 3.5 in 12.2 and this baby flies. It's so snappy... [09:43] i would suggest using the svn tree [09:44] alkos333: compare it to something like opera [09:44] kk, going to qemu site [09:46] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [09:46] spook, rms will kick you for using opera. [09:46] neo8848 (n=standard@203.177.172.188) joined ##slackware. [09:47] slava_dp: why is opera not rms certified? [09:47] closed source, isn't it? [09:48] it is [09:48] slava_dp: yes iirc [09:48] here goes your reason [09:48] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.2) joined ##slackware. [09:49] slava_dp: it was more about the speed. [09:49] google either bought opera a few years ago or provides major funding for it [09:51] l0ve (n=lovve_@94.197.128.157.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:52] spook: Why? [09:52] opera gets money by selling the browser from embedded use. [09:52] spook, {./configure && make && #make install} on qemu-0.10.5 [09:53] alkos333: because i've tried both and ff3.5 is still slower. [09:53] spook: That's cool, but I never liked Opera. [09:54] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a05153422baeb2cf) left irc: [09:55] gtl: yes? [09:55] l0ve (n=lovve_@94.196.225.135.threembb.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:56] the package I was installing before was an accelerator, I guess... but I'm not familiar to qemu [09:57] accelerator, is kqemu. [09:58] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:59] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] axtroz_ (n=axtroz@212.25.47.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:00] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:01] network has stopped working on my htpc. cant ping other machines, cant be pinged. iptables is empty, accept on all chains. tcpdump on the machine picks up spanning tree stuff from my switch plus other arp noise [10:01] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:02] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dc38a9ef3d404d62) joined ##slackware. [10:03] spook, try a different switch port? [10:03] done [10:04] try kicking the switch [10:04] when all else fails, get a bigger hammer [10:04] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-14-223-65.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [10:06] grah that'll teach me not to label [10:06] drol_ (n=andrew@144.38.70.31) joined ##slackware. [10:10] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:11] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) joined ##slackware. [10:12] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [10:12] tried numerous ports, different cables [10:12] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.72.199.2) left irc: "Leaving" [10:13] Risperidon (n=risperid@189.115.208.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:14] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.222.133) joined ##slackware. [10:14] wachbirn (n=wachbirn@pc117.ben.tuwien.ac.at) joined ##slackware. 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Mail can auth off mailaddr which the code can translate to uid for auth purposes [10:40] or should it [10:40] argh this is too much brainfartage [10:41] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] giant81_ (n=me@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] neo8848 (n=standard@203.177.172.188) left irc: Connection timed out [10:43] hmmm, rc for xf86-video-intel-2.8 :) [10:49] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.244) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:54] cmair (n=cmair@host39-108-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:01] l0ve (n=lovve_@94.196.225.135.threembb.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] Nick change: DirtyHarry -> DirtyHarry_ [11:02] Nick change: DirtyHarry_ -> DirtyHarry [11:04] 1;2c/win 2 [11:04] bah [11:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:05] I hate this channel : my mother just told me something and I wanted to change something she said and wanted to say s/something// =/ [11:05] this channel is giving us bad habits :D [11:06] lol [11:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) joined ##slackware. [11:06] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.215.22) joined ##slackware. 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[11:15] wachbirn (n=wachbirn@pc117.ben.tuwien.ac.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] hi, I accidentally deleted some log files while syslog was running.. this resulted in the files being deleted but still taking up space on the drive, does anyone know how to fix that (especially without rebooting into single user mode) ? [11:16] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:17] jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:213) left irc: "Leaving" [11:17] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:213) joined ##slackware. [11:17] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [11:18] nachox_ (i=c8445379@gateway/web/freenode/x-0efd871907a50392) joined ##slackware. [11:19] nachox (i=bed81ad2@gateway/web/freenode/x-9e7679809b4c87e8) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [11:22] debugfs ? [11:23] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:23] tooly (n=tooly@e178169251.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:26] cadmium_, try restarting syslogd? [11:26] HUP it [11:42] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] i have put wicd on my laptop and from what i can tell it is up and running okay. should i go back to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and comment it out the lines I had put in to get my wireless running [11:45] it'll make your startup faster, sure [11:45] i just don't want them interfering if i go to a strange wap [11:46] or just chmod -x ? [11:47] well, just comment them out then, so it'll be clear what you did :) [11:48] octothorpe r00lz! [11:48] cadmium_ (n=mike@58.65.159.65) left ##slackware. [11:49] /c [11:49] BAH [11:50] bah [11:51] i had to put in my wap's essid to get it to connect for some reason, prior to wicd. of course i haven't removed it to see if wicd connects without it.. hmmm probably should test that... [11:51] Is there a stronger WAP within range? [11:52] no, no other waps. period [11:52] odd, "any" should have worked. [11:54] you would have thought, but it didn't. it did connect after i put it in. [11:54] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [11:56] does wicd clear rc.inet1.conf [11:56] what do you mean by clear? [11:56] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] make it a blank text file [11:56] yo [11:56] no [11:57] sup thrice` [11:57] hi [11:57] somehow the perm got change. user does not have read priv now [11:58] usually on linux, "somehow" means you did it :) [11:58] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] of course i edited it and saved it as root. i never noticed that altering the perms on a file before [12:00] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:01] brb [12:01] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:02] Action: Wizard yawns [12:05] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.133) joined ##slackware. [12:07] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "leaving" [12:07] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [12:07] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.133) left irc: Client Quit [12:08] glad i tried that as I was still being connected prior to wicd starting I believe as i had to manually start it (marked it for automatic in the future) [12:09] and yest boot up was quicked considerably. thanks [12:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dc38a9ef3d404d62) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fbd5d01ba225bd49) joined ##slackware. [12:11] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:11] hitest (n=George@s207-6-221-135.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] vor (n=s@bzq-79-177-69-98.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:18] -i [12:18] jefferson said the tree of liberty is fertilized by the blood of patriots and tyrants [12:19] eviljames: they fear the polls [12:19] he believed we should have a new revolution periodically to get rid of the ruling class [12:19] unfortunately the tyrants these days have weapons they can use on the patriots that doesn't leave much blood behind... [12:19] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.2) left irc: "Leaving." [12:20] google oathkeepers [12:20] Jefferson was speaking metaphorically when he said that, most certainly. [12:20] guys, anyone good with openshh tunnels? [12:20] why have there to be a ruling class? the more I think the more I want to live in an anarchistic society .. [12:21] DirtyHarry (n=Dirty@78.41.103.43) left irc: [12:21] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:21] He didn't mean have a civil war once per generation, he just meant to dispose of the aristocracy. Currently, it is too late for that, and American democracy has been subverted. It's a plutocracy now. [12:21] nachox_: certainly not I, but if you find good docs, plz link :D [12:21] hahah [12:21] DirtyHarry (n=Dirty@78.41.103.43) joined ##slackware. [12:22] akira42: The way we organize our civilization naturally tends to create an aristocracy. [12:23] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Success [12:23] it may be too late to change, but i seem more anger at both parties now than I have ever seen in my life [12:23] Urchlay: Yeah, like warrantless wiretaps, secret prisons and a full rendition program. All of which were most recently enshrined by G.W. Bush - which America elected TWICE. [12:26] eviljames: yah, that was the stuff I was thinking of... in general, fear used as a weapon (fear of being made to disappear, or fear of being made to appear "anti-american") [12:26] haldir: I certainly don't see that. My perspective as an outsider is that there is a large number of progressives in America looking to make appropriate changes for a new generation. [12:26] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:27] However, the faux backlash is heralded as "tea parties" and other such nonsense by the Media, all very obviously controlled by high-ranking Conservatives. [12:27] akira42: you wouldn't really want to live in an anarchy... people are violent animals by nature. If there's no restraint at all, the most ruthless will become the king, possibly leaving a trail of corpses all the way to the throne room. [12:27] Ultimately, if you look at video footage from the tea parties, there really isn't much anger against Democrats OR the progressive changes that they are allegedly fighting for. [12:27] The only thing people are mad at the Dems for is not being progressive enough. [12:28] E1ephant (n=E1ephant@nat-interf2.telesystems.ua) joined ##slackware. [12:28] just keep in mind that america's left wing is france's right wing [12:29] i live in the middle of the US. Not one of the big cities or on the coast. we want our government to leave us alone, stop taking our money, stop getting involved overseas with things that are not our business. [12:29] init[1]_ (n=init[1]@116.68.96.114) joined ##slackware. [12:29] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [12:29] akira42: also, don't underestimate organized religion (including what you might think of as cults). If there were no law to stop them, the Inquisitors might kick in your door and burn you at the stake for not believing in their deity, or believing different things about the same deity. [12:30] E1ephant (n=E1ephant@nat-interf2.telesystems.ua) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [12:30] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.65.70) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:32] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Urchlay: If there would be a King, it would not be anarchy [12:32] if there is any person, who says what i _have_ to do, then theres no anarchy [12:33] akira42: yes, I know. But if you have actual anarchy, there *will* be those take it upon themselves to say what you have to do [12:33] anarchy is probably the most undoable government form [12:33] anarchy wouldn't persist for very long, in other words [12:33] I'm not living in anarchy, I have parents [12:34] just because *you* are willing to leave others alone to live their lives, doesn't mean everyone else will feel the same way (more's the pity) [12:34] but there would be enough to start a new society [12:34] people naturally organize themselves, anarchy and its ideals are outright foolish for a society larger than 1. [12:35] eviljames: I wish I didn't agree with you (I want people to be better than they are)... [12:35] futher, the idea of limited government is primarily (imho, of course): Education, Healthcare, Infrastructure and Defense. Those things which do not fall under one (or more) of those categories are not the domain of the government. [12:35] the US tried more anarchy first and it failed. (see articles of confederation). they then changed to the COnsitution but now we ignore it [12:36] eviljameses [12:37] hitest (n=George@s207-6-221-135.bc.hsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:37] the dems need to hire me to be their main advisor [12:37] i'd do it for free and turn this country around [12:37] crazyhors (n=dirk@75.159.75.103) joined ##slackware. [12:37] lol, the horror [12:37] eviljames: unfortunately all kinds of stuff will get shoehorned into those categories that doesn't belong there (e.g. laws that protect peoples' "morals" masquerading as Education or Healthcare) [12:37] jeev: You'd do a piss poor job, at best. [12:37] Urchlay: Yeah, 'morality' is not the domain of the government. [12:38] yea yea thrice`, bite me [12:38] "As my first act as advisor, I advise to nuke Israel!" [12:38] eviljames, i'd do a great job, i'd stop all the fraud by the rich, stop hospital fraud. change the way the pharmaceutical/medical industry [12:38] no, you drown israel by stoping the rich people fraud [12:38] since most fraud (if you bother watching masterminds) is done by israeli's [12:38] they ponzi scheme, buy insurance companies, liquidate assets and get into bondage [12:39] i'm tired of watching americans get defrauded, im sick of it [12:39] eviljames: It still pisses me off that I live in a state with silly religion-based laws about alcohol... can't buy it at the store to take home, on sunday... but you *can* go to a bar & drink there on sunday. Completely ridiculous. [12:39] "Gay Boys In Bondage", a play by William Shakespeare [12:39] rob0, you'd have season tickets to that show [12:39] ++rob0; [12:39] crazyhors (n=dirk@75.159.75.103) left ##slackware. [12:39] Urchlay, unfortunately it's unbelievably difficult to separate religion from politics in america [12:40] init[1]_ (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [12:40] jeev: the sunday law ought to only apply to people who believe in it (christians, probably not even all of them, who else has sunday as a holy day?) [12:41] wow i didnt really read what you said [12:41] that's pretty lame [12:41] although i think alcohol is a serious drug when compared to weed [12:41] and i've done neither [12:41] weed ought to be legal, IMO, and I don't even smoke it (and I wouldn't start, if it became legal tomorrow) [12:41] yea, they need to find a way to tax it [12:42] they tax it now: you get caught, you pay a fine [12:42] that's the only reason why it's illegal, it's too difficult to control.. if you say otherwise then you're dumb [12:42] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.133) joined ##slackware. [12:42] alcohol is a serious issue [12:43] weed <3 [12:43] got a free 20 bag, had 5 joints on my last day of school [12:43] was fucked for hours lol [12:43] heh [12:43] cmair (n=cmair@host39-108-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:43] don't think I could have smoked 5 joints in one day even at the height of my wildest days [12:43] from like, 9am til 3pm, then 9pm till midnight [12:44] they were only single skins [12:44] after 2 I'd zone out and/or fall asleep [12:44] haven't the americans a big christian population? [12:44] akira42: yes. We also have the concept of separation of church and state, written into our constitution [12:44] akira42: relatively within their population, Christianity is well-represented, though splintered and factious. [12:45] It isn't really supposed to be part of their government(s), though. Church & State are separate for a reason [12:45] yeah, go to a pentecostal church and ask them whether catholics count as christians, they'll likely say no [12:45] (the reason, imho, is that Church is just a looney bin where you're allowed to check yourself out from at will) [12:45] "Separation of Church and Skate" ^^ [12:45] Alex009 (n=alex@217.30.17.6) joined ##slackware. [12:45] hi [12:45] Urchlay: I heard on some shools, you teach the theorie of creationism, beside the theory of evolution ... how can that be, if the church is seperated from the state? [12:46] akira42, some places are different [12:46] akira42: because creationism is another "theory" [12:46] NO. [12:46] eviljames: another reason is that churches tend to get huge & powerful, and lean on the rulers of the land (think mandatory tithing in the middle ages. Hell, the king couldn't even become king until the pope said so) [12:46] and all theories can be taught (that's what has been advocated) [12:46] They are cherry picking the word 'theory' to mean hypothesis. DO NOT fall into that trap! [12:46] any expert here use diff and patch ? [12:46] Alex009: define expert :P [12:46] creationism is a religious motivated theory ... if you teach that, why not the theory from scientology? [12:46] akira42: yes, because this country is full of undereducated religious people [12:47] Alex009: refine your question ;) [12:47] Urchlay got it right [12:47] lo0ol anyone know how to use this 2 cmd [12:47] :) [12:47] akira42: I'd vote for not teaching creationism [12:47] akira42: Creationism is a religiously motivated hypothesis NOT theory, and one that comes to forethought conclusion (rather than gathering conclusion by evidence) and thus is NOT science. [12:47] eviljames: I know, I was using their own works and used quotation marks on purpose ;) [12:47] eviljames: it's not a theory because it can't be falsified [12:47] it's just a bunch of morons in the country, people are afraid to be told that bad things unfold in front of their own eyes, american's think they're all smart. [12:48] Urchlay: No, that's the wrong way of using Theory. Theory is a higher order of truth than fact, in scientific terms. [12:48] i have 2 file radius.conf and raidus.orig so radius.conf after the configuration i want to make patch so i don't every time i make the same config manually [12:48] o_O [12:48] Urchlay: Facts lead to theory, hypothesis is the word you're looking for. [12:48] so the patch do it for me [12:48] that's all [12:49] Alex009: create folders a/ and b/, mv radius.orig a/radius.conf, mv radius.conf b/radius.conf [12:49] eviljames: what I meant is, a proper theory can be disproved, if new evidence comes to light that contradicts it. No amount of evidence will change the beliefs of believers... [12:49] Alex009: diff -Nru file1 file2 [12:49] Alex009: diff a/radius.conf b/radius.conf > radius.patch patch -Np1 radius.orig < radius.patch [12:49] Camarade_Tux yep maybe this [12:49] tu parle le francais mon amis ? [12:50] nan, pas du tout :) [12:50] but this channel is english only ;) [12:50] hehe pas du tout nespa [12:50] y0 Camarade_Tux [12:50] vous etes de kel pay ? [12:50] France ;) [12:51] yo tomato|sky :D [12:51] facts lead to theory, but you find out one of your facts was wrong... *blam*, there goes your theory (maybe it can be modified to take into account the newly discovered facts, maybe it has to be junked, but churches "know the truth" and can never have their minds changed) [12:51] france c'est bien [12:51] parlezz vowse frankcase? [12:51] moi je vive au congo maintenant [12:51] English? [12:52] yeah, Alex009, again, you *have* to speak english here ;) [12:52] Camarade_Tux: :P, How's it going? [12:52] ok no problem [12:52] Urchlay: I don't like the path that goes down particularly. It leads to the 'black swan' argument too quickly. [12:52] fire|bird: fine, thanks, and you? =) [12:52] Camarade_Tux: doing excellent, thanks. :) [12:52] Urchlay: Being that just because YOU'VE never seen a Black Swan doesn't mean that black swans don't exist. (just because YOU'VE never seen God, ...) [12:53] eviljames: eh, you find a black swan, therefore your theory that all swans are white is incorrect. [12:53] Urchlay: Right, but that argument gets pulled out of context WAY too much in the creation "debate" [12:53] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:54] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:54] how many creation myths are there? (maybe only counting the ones people still believe today, there's still more than one, right?) [12:54] they can't *all* be right... [12:54] Urchlay: maybe it's like physics and we can unite at least some of them :D [12:54] In reality *none* of them are right. [12:54] I'd agree with that [12:55] Along with all the other mythology (Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Vishnu..) [12:55] bleah. I kinda wish they'd bring back Thor and Odin... modernized versions that ride motorcycles and play in a Metal Band of the Gods [12:56] Loki! I like Loki [12:56] Loki would probably be the drummer [12:56] yay [12:56] pastafarism! [12:57] all heil the flying spaghetti monster! [12:57] Pastafarianism was proved last year, guys. [12:57] I mean, if we go with the idea that all gods are created by humans' belief in them, why can't we create some gods that are fun to party with? (The Greeks did that, a bit, but theirs were a bunch of aristocratic snobs, too) [12:58] Nick change: init[1] -> group [12:58] group (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [12:58] You guys know BObby Henderson's stance on Pirates vs. Global Warming, right? [12:59] (B. Henderson being the first person to be touched by FSM's noodly appendage, of course) [13:00] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Well, if not: There's an obvious correlation between the increase of earth's temperature and the decrease of the number of pirates in the world - and it has held for nearly 200 years. [13:01] http://lbrandy.com/blog/2009/02/the-most-important-data-point-ever/ [13:02] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] heh. That might explain why I've been feeling like talking like a pirate a lot lately [13:06] hurr [13:07] Action: akira42 thought nowadays there are more pirates than for 200 years [13:09] especially around september 19th [13:10] winter_ (n=winter@75-121-155-252.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Heya BP{k}, how are you? [13:12] fire|bird: I am good, yourslef? [13:12] BP{k}: doing excellent, thanks. :) [13:12] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [13:13] BP{k}: hum? What will happen on my birth day? [13:14] really bad things? [13:14] Kaapa: For crying out loud, don't you know, it's a SURPRISE. :) [13:14] y0 Necos [13:14] bollocks! [13:14] Kaapa: You'll just have to {in}patiently wait. :) [13:15] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.215) joined ##slackware. [13:17] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [13:17] Alex009 (n=alex@217.30.17.6) left irc: [13:21] heya fire|bird [13:21] hm, anyone built virtualbox 3.x OSE? [13:21] one of my students just told me about this chick falling into an open manhole while texting... [13:21] i'm still fuckin laughing [13:21] LOL [13:22] Urchlay: slacky.eu [13:22] winter_ (n=winter@75-121-155-252.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:22] upyr[emacs]: they have a build script, or just binary packages? (can't use binary packages, slacky doesn't have 64-bit stuff last I looked) [13:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [13:23] necos, how's the weather there [13:24] Urchlay: it's have a slackbuild script http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/utilities/virtualbox-ose/3.0.0/src/ [13:24] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:24] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-155-252.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Necos: That made me laugh for hours, possibly days. [13:24] Necos: Is there no end to human stupidity? [13:25] what I was really asking, I guess, is "does the slackbuilds.org virtualbox SlackBuild work for virtualbox 3.0, possibly with a few modifications?" [13:25] yes, it's called the barrel of my gun ^_^ [13:25] hi all [13:25] eviljames that could happen to anybody [13:26] eh, that, and maybe "is 3.0 worth upgrading to if you already have 2.2 working fine?" [13:26] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:26] jeev, the point is... she's a dumbass for not looking [13:26] Necos, a) all women are dumbasses [13:26] and her parents are bigger dumbasses for saying that someone should pay [13:26] note that i'm not denying that jeev >.> [13:26] b) you live in _____town.. i'm sure most people dont look [13:26] if 2.2 was good enough, they wouldn't have put out 3.0 [13:27] i think too [13:27] DirtyHarry (n=Dirty@78.41.103.43) left irc: [13:27] staten island... LOL [13:28] Necos: Wait, wtf? Her parents think someone should /pay/?! That is, other than them? [13:28] tinel (i=oh@86.121.135.25) joined ##slackware. [13:28] they're suing the state or somethin [13:28] http://gizmodo.com/5312623/teenager-falls-into-open-manhole-while-texting [13:28] hahahah, that'll go far. [13:29] texting should be outlawed. so should talking on cell phones while driving. some people are so obsessed with texting they look at nothing else all day long but the stupid fscking phone/blackberry/whatever. what can be *that* damn important? [13:29] dtanner: Texting is all part of the great dumbing-down of the world. [13:29] nod [13:29] Humans are losing their capacity for reflection, everything is being shot at us in 140 character blips - sound bytes. [13:29] it's fascinating... [13:30] talking on cel phones *is* outlawed in at least one city/county around here, it doesn't stop anybody though [13:30] It's like being bukkake'd with stupid all day long. [13:30] Facebook statuses, Twitter messages, Ticker headlines on CNN - the news itself. [13:30] it's now california state law... [13:30] and i still see people doing it all the time [13:30] There's no depth, just content. That's why I'm starting to hate reddit now - the articles are becoming precisely that. [13:30] I had my cable disconnected and have not missed it one single bit. and my g/f only misses the news. [13:31] That can be supplemented elsewhere: cbc.ca [13:31] :P [13:31] lol [13:31] it even bothers me if I go into a bar and there's a TV there showing news or some kinda talk-TV crap [13:32] if all they aired was looney-tunes it would be OK [13:32] (eh, or a restaurant. At bars, the TVs tend to at least be muted, or anyway there's enough noise that you can ignore it) [13:32] All the news is these days are Looney Tunes. [13:32] not really. Looney Tunes are funny [13:32] Well, the media's version of news. [13:32] don't believe the religion, believe yourself [13:32] >.> [13:32] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:33] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] I got tired of being bombarded by commercials/censored-news/etc [13:33] You don't think the news has been pretty hilarious lately? Everything that's going on in the world and we get 3 weeks of round-the-clock Michael Jackson. It's practically a cartoon already. [13:33] dtanner: yep [13:33] fp__ (n=chatzill@76.201.153.234) joined ##slackware. [13:33] dtanner: I haven't watched TV in years (unless you count DVDs of TV series and such) [13:34] tvtorrents ftw [13:34] at one time I really liked the Discovery channel and it went to crap too [13:34] I don't even like the constant stream of advertising that spews over the speaker system at places like the grocery store or the gas station [13:34] seriously, people, no need to advertise to me while I'm there, I'm already your customer, you've *got* my damn money, so STFU already [13:35] for every 10 minutes of good stuff on discovery you had 50 minutes of shit [13:35] Urchlay: =) [13:35] 3 words to confirm what dtanner is saying: [13:35] ICE ROAD TRUCKERS. [13:35] dtanner: that's actually pretty good, taking Sturgeon's Law into account [13:35] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-167-160.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:35] lol [13:36] How much junk DNA do humans carry? [13:36] most of it? [13:37] all of it? [13:37] I mean humans, not Americans.. [13:37] :P [13:37] Sorry, but that joke was just too easy. [13:37] I'm an American Neanderthal, not smart enough to be offended by that anyway. [13:38] Sturgeon's Revelation seems to hold all across the board.. [13:38] I'm an American Drunk... I'll be offended by it if I ever sober up [13:38] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [13:38] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:38] Dominian: I like your style. Come to Canada, we'll tie one on :D [13:38] hahahaha [13:38] yeah... I am half English and half Cherokee Indian so I don't care. half of me was here first and the other half came later. I fucked myself actually. [13:39] dtanner: and there's so much porn of it... >.> [13:39] heh [13:39] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:40] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.124.12) left irc: Connection timed out [13:40] the girl who fell in the manhole article: "Her mother noted that she was also mentally injured" [13:40] I wish I was full blooded Indian nad we were still in teepee's and killing bufallo. but noooo they had to take it all away. [13:41] well, yeah, but I think she was that way long before she fell into the hole... [13:41] The state of native culture is in such decline, it's tragic. [13:41] eviljames: hah [13:42] dtanner: I wouldn't want to live in a stone age culture. I lack the part of the brain that's responsible for tribalism, I'd end up stoned to death or exiled. [13:42] Urchlay: lol [13:42] we could learn a lot from the native americans. fuck, kill wild animals for survival, play and eat. [13:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.36.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] Potluck would be a lot more interesting if we had preserved it appropriately. [13:43] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.189) joined ##slackware. [13:43] yeah, until you've killed off all the animals (I've read that, long before whites/europeans came to America, the Indians had hunted the American version of the horse into extinction, which is why they didn't have cavalry of their own to fight back with...) [13:43] LOL Urchlay that's what makes it great [13:44] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.73.228) joined ##slackware. [13:44] usr (n=usr@189.115.232.242.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] Urchlay: That's a lie. Horses were extinct on the Americas in ~10,000BCE [13:45] *shrug*, so it was the people who were here before the original indians who did it? [13:45] Urchlay: Well, maybe a lie is the wrong word. But whatever you read, it sounds incorrect. [13:45] skepsi (n=kvirc@gprs6.vodafone.cz) joined ##slackware. [13:45] As I read, it was the ice age that did it. [13:45] not only might it be incorrect to start with, I might be remembering it incorrectly too... [13:46] usr (n=usr@189.115.232.242.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Considering the native traditions, it makes precisely zero sense for them to hunt something into extinction - especially something useful. [13:46] I suppose it's fair to tell me that I have no idea what the native traditions were 10,000 years ago :P [13:46] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] I do have to wonder whether the Incas/Mayans/Aztecs/etc. would have ever developed into anything we'd consider modern. Was there enough iron around for them to have an Iron Age? [13:47] Well, when you look at their relatively high knowledge of mathematics, and relatively high independent technology tree (irrigation, anyone?) I'd say they'd have developed just fine. [13:47] well, they did have metal tools, so i'd assume so [13:48] nachox_ (i=c8445379@gateway/web/freenode/x-0efd871907a50392) left irc: "Page closed" [13:49] lunch time [13:49] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] i'm still amazed by that tho... [13:50] even northern american indians were not simple hunter/gatherers... there are signs that early XIV century european explorers brought with them new diseases causing fall of city-like agrarian cultures. [13:51] s/XIV/XVI/ [13:52] perheps no stone cities... but larger wooden, long term settlements. [13:52] Action: sladegen anywayz. [13:52] Action: Necos chuckles [13:52] Vancouver is a pretty stoned city. [13:52] Some 60+% of the residents smoke at least once / week. [13:53] sounds fun [13:53] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.220) joined ##slackware. [13:53] provided you got the hookup [13:53] Indeed I do. Not quite as cheap as I'd like, but the quality is beyond excellent. [13:53] (yeah, I get white guy prices :P) [13:54] ah, poor white guy [13:54] lol [13:54] go get a tan [13:54] Well, that depends on what you call white guy prices. $160/O I usually consider cheap, over $180 and I usually don't buy. [13:55] >.> [13:55] if i smoked, i'd just go to the source >.> [13:56] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fbd5d01ba225bd49) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:56] but good thing i don't... i can save my money :) [13:57] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a4924f1223158ee3) joined ##slackware. [13:57] What makes the most sense: legalize the growth of up to 3 plants for personal use. That breaks the user/organized crime link - the money stops flowing and the gangs have to resort to crimes worth policing to make money. [13:58] Simultaneously we'd take away their #1 source of funding, plus we'd have a better reason to go after them (extortion, prostitution, something other than a silly plant) [14:03] eviljames: there's on small problem with that... [14:03] there are quite a few politicians that make their livelyhood off of pay-offs from organized crime [14:03] overconsumption? [14:03] seriously, you can't let people get drugs easily [14:03] no, because ease of access means lower prices [14:04] lower prices means less profit [14:04] etc, etc... [14:04] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-167-160.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [14:04] like i said, there are a lot of politicians that make their living off corruption [14:04] growing cannabis plants would be too easy and you'd end up with more people more stoned [14:05] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:05] i'm not worried about them, so long as they get stoned in their home and stay there until they're sober :P [14:05] but they won't... [14:05] I don't think so, there's already lots of drugs available, and not everyone is stoned. Finding pot is pretty well easy in most places. [14:06] my buddy lives in canada too... he's always smokin pot, he lives in quebec [14:06] There will always be a certain segment of the population looking to intoxicate themselves. That's a fact. Some use booze, others crack. The trick is to make the (relatively) harmless stuff (booze, pot, caffeine) readily available [14:06] and the harmful stuff is a disease that warrants treatment. Key to all of this is breaking the organized crime link. [14:07] but that would assume a non-corrupted gov't... and that just doesn't exist these days [14:07] Well, it could if people would VOTE appropriately. [14:07] hahaha, you're expecting people to have common sense? [14:07] making alcohol at home is forbidden (at least in France), two reasons : money and health, but health is a real concern [14:08] and they can't collect taxes on it if you do... [14:08] wtf, making alcohol is forbidden? What kind of totalitarian fascist police state do you live in?! [14:09] I can brew my own beer and make my own wine and distill my own spirits if I so desire. It's also my risk to drink them, though :P [14:09] yeah, eviljames will be deadjames at that point... [14:09] mmmm, caffiene [14:10] eviljames: iirc distilling is forbidden, have to check [14:10] maybe because it lets you make much stronger alcohol [14:10] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:10] wtf, apple is advertising copy-paste on the iphone >< [14:11] s/iphone/new iphong [14:11] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:213) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:11] s/iphong/iphone\// [14:11] >< [14:11] iThong... >.> [14:12] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [14:14] eviljames: if you produce fruits or grapes, you can distill your alcohol, otherwise you're allowed [14:15] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.189) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [14:15] skepsi (n=kvirc@gprs6.vodafone.cz) left irc: Client Quit [14:16] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:183) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Hi, I got a kernel: <0>general protection fault: 8610 [#2] any idea where can I find what 8610 is? [14:20] aggh. Each successive version of virtualbox seems to be slower than the one before it. [14:20] Urchlay: really? I've noticed the opposite.. [14:20] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a4924f1223158ee3) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.63) joined ##slackware. [14:21] eh, I should clarify that: each version of vbox seems to be slower at running the one & only windows game I play on it (Age of Empires) [14:21] for all I know, overall performance might be better [14:22] Why wouldn't you just wine-ifiy that badboy? [14:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&feature=related [14:22] because it's unplayable slow in wine, plus there's display corruption (all in-game text shows up as black, makes it hard to play) [14:22] stupid sucking unreliable firefox with erratic behaviour [14:23] Matrix runs on Windows XP! [14:23] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:23] also because supposedly, multiplayer over tcp/ip works in vbox (though I never got it working), where it absolutely doesn't in wine [14:24] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:25] btw, if anyone has an old windows game that needs the IPX protocol, it's possible to make it use UDP instead (works for any application), the fix is a dll to put in the application folder, just ask me for it :) [14:26] Urchlay: AoE 1,2,3? [14:26] 1, with the "rise of rome" expansion [14:27] I don't really care much about multiplayer, the only other person I know who might want to play, never has to time to [14:27] winehq says that it runs relatively well, but has to be in windowed mode.. [14:27] affected by bug # 421 [14:27] eh, I can't help what winehq says, but it's too damn slow to play [14:28] Urchlay: Maybe you're just too fast? [14:28] ;) [14:28] depress your turbo button! [14:28] dude, it ran better on a pentium-166 than it does on my athlon64 under wine [14:29] That game ran on P166? [14:29] ran on a P90 tolerably well, and on a 486 with noticeable slowdown [14:29] I got it to load up on a 386 once, but it was unplayably slow [14:30] (part of that might have been lack of RAM on the 386 making it swap) [14:31] what game? [14:31] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] "Age of Empires" 1, with "rise of rome" expansion [14:35] it's a bastard child of windows gaming: uses directx, but 2d and only 256 colors (that right there slows it down, since my X server runs in 24-bit color) [14:37] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.213.120) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I maybe ought to try qemu, it can hardly perform worse than vbox 2.2.4. Either that, or hack up vbox 2.0 or 2.1 so it'll compile on 13.0rc1 and see if the older versions really are faster (I ran them on slamd64 12.1 mostly) [14:41] he, vbox3 works on 13rc1 [14:42] 3.0 is supposed to have much better GL support [14:42] and such. [14:42] OSE or closed source? [14:42] better GL support won't help this non-GL game [14:42] is not vbox for games? [14:42] vbox3 will eat all your cpu and may kidnap your granma's dead body for ransom [14:42] Urchlay: that was closed I think [14:42] mohaa: 2.2.4 is already doing that [14:42] Urchlay: you mean it didn't compile because of some library, the kernel part worked fine? [14:42] Action: rob0 misses granny [14:42] http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog <- 3D support has come a long way. [14:43] mohaa: fixed in 3.0.2, was fixable with a kernel recompile [14:43] mohaa: It is using a mASSIVE 3.1% on my system. [14:43] eviljames: there was a bug [14:43] ha ok [14:43] Camarade_Tux: the 2.1.4 kernel part compiles fine on 13rc1, the userspace has macros it defines that conflict with ones defined in the newer kernel headers (which I should be able to fix with a few minutes cussing and banging on the keyboard) [14:44] noticed that cpu was hardly recovering from vbox3 load :/ [14:44] I haven't tried 2.0.x on slackware64 at all, I sorta expect to run into trouble though [14:44] looks like a rapist [14:48] mohaa: the bug I was refering to was with a linux guest, as soon as acpi modules were loaded, the cpu use jumped to 100% [14:48] double acpi loading ftl? [14:48] "ftl"? [14:48] for the loss :P [14:48] he :P [14:49] ftl is already taken, it means "faster than light" [14:49] hi [14:49] the cool kids will have to find a new abbreviation [14:49] I travel at tachyon speeds. [14:49] no no no :) [14:50] What's the ftw and ftl all about anyway? Where did that meme get birthed? [14:50] i want to say WoW, but i know that's wrong lol [14:50] 'cause i heard it before that [14:50] eviljames: yay, I need you : my ping to China is too high, I need you to transfer some data :D [14:51] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-225-230.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] "for the win" sounds sports-related [14:51] What kind of data? What's the chinese IP addr? [14:51] eviljames: video, and I don't know :) [14:52] eviljames: think you can do at least 2MB/s? [14:52] upstream? Nope. [14:52] ='( [14:52] My upstream is throttled hard down to 1-1.5 [14:52] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] if you have excess servers at the datacenter, unused.. should you leave it on or shut it down ? [14:52] eviljames: if you give me a computer powerful enough, I can compress it a bit further :D [14:53] shut it down and cut down on power costs [14:53] what if you're already paying flat rate for power [14:53] jeev: down : costs, heat [14:53] jeev, use it for backups [14:53] jeev: heat, and it wears the hardware [14:53] jeev, there is no such thing as unused [14:53] Turn it into a redundant hotswap backup, try to get 5 9's. [14:53] i agrea backups ^ [14:53] lol [14:53] i have back up servers [14:53] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:183) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:53] plus if you have fans, dust will get faster on the hardware [14:53] theres never enough haha [14:54] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1ff) joined ##slackware. [14:54] jeev, OpenVZ and sell as a VPS? :P [14:54] you could always use it as the compile system or various tests [14:54] NthDegree: hahaha :P [14:55] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: "Leaving" [14:55] jeev: you have a spare server, I'd like a server, I think we can be both happy :) [14:55] In theory to get 5 9's of uptime you can be down less than 3 seconds per year. [14:55] Camarade_Tux, i'm sure "it's my spare dedi, so i'm selling to help cover costs" is a lot better than the 'tards who sell en-masse and oversell :P [14:55] >.> [14:57] or even better, be one of the few people who offer free slack to the masses (free shells would be fun to maintain, wouldn't they?) :P [14:57] NthDegree++ :) [14:57] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:57] turn it into a slackware mirror :D [14:58] lol [14:59] heh i have many [14:59] they're already freebsd [15:00] doesn't prevent you from mirroring the files :) [15:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:00] VPS heh [15:00] jeev: where are your servers? [15:00] jeev: /me wants a vps! [15:00] my biggest network is in the east [15:01] i have servers 2 servers at that switch and data in NJ, it used to be NY next to WTC.. and when the inside job happened, my servers were still online [15:01] jeev: latency should be ok, you can go on and set me up an account :) [15:01] got some in los angeles and orange county too [15:01] no thanks, I have a > 200ms ping to LA [15:02] still online! bullshit jeev [15:02] they pwned you [15:02] no, as i recall.. when that inside job happened, my servers were still online [15:02] it wasn't at WTC, it was a block away or something [15:02] "that inside job" bahahahah [15:02] i dunno, surprisingly.. it should've randomly fell like WTC 7 but i guess it didn't have enough gold/SEC paperwork in it [15:02] eviljames, you know it's true ;) [15:02] WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [15:03] Action: jeev slaps butts with eviljames [15:03] woah, woah [15:03] "My servers in WTC7 stayed online so obviously its an inside job!!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!one!!!!!!!" [15:03] exclamatory overloadification [15:04] I'm just really excited, that's all. [15:04] jeev: you can give me the "adrien" or "tux" or "camaradetux" username on your server :) [15:04] Action: eviljames tones down his caffeine input [15:04] jeev: You can give me the username "root" on your server [15:04] and uid 0 plz. [15:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] heh [15:05] dood the servers were at AboveNet [15:05] not WTC 7, WTC 7 randomly fell.. dont you remember? [15:05] belowhell [15:05] eviljames, as i recall.. canadian gold went missing thereafter [15:05] WTC 7? Windows Technological Crash 7? [15:05] Yeah, that's the codename for Vista++ - WTC7 [15:06] tooly (n=tooly@e178169251.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [15:06] hahahaha [15:06] jeev: Canadian gold went missing thereafter? What are you referencing here? [15:07] jeev, my vps, my vps, my vps :) [15:07] brb [15:07] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:08] eviljames: hahaha : http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/90r6l/recruiter_fail_yet_again_candidates_should/ [15:09] hahah yea I saw that. [15:09] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] "Must have 8 years experience in a language only 4 years old. kthxbai" [15:09] ^^ [15:09] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:09] dngr (n=dngr@119.237.151.70) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:11] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:11] vor (n=s@bzq-79-177-69-98.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: [15:12] jeev: The gold that is missing from Canada was in 2008, unless you have some evidence otherwise.. [15:12] And how the hell do you rob the Mint anwyay?! [15:12] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: "leaving" [15:16] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [15:18] eviljames, maybe not canada but......... [15:18] oh cannnnnnnnnnada [15:19] not until i find some hot chick [15:19] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-64-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:19] hello [15:20] lol : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tits_group ^^ [15:20] fredoslack: hi [15:21] hello fredoslack [15:21] hi Camarade_Tux and fire|bird [15:21] LOL Camarade_Tux [15:21] that's great [15:23] the tits group is derived from the "twisted group" ;p [15:24] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:24] unfortunately the tits group is finite ='( [15:25] yeah, wtf... [15:25] Camarade_Tux: maybe them two groups should merge.....twisted tits. :P [15:26] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.144) joined ##slackware. [15:26] fire|bird: no need : the tits group derives from the twisted one so the tits group is already twisted :) [15:26] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [15:26] hahaha, true. [15:27] ion_ (n=ion@pure.noffle.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:27] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] Action: Camarade_Tux is starting to forget the definition of a group =/ [15:28] a set, a law from and to inside the group and a neutral element? [15:29] Camarade_Tux: group: any collection or assemblage of persons or things; cluster; aggregation [15:30] fire|bird: nah, I prefer the mathematical definition : it means you can add several tits and get other tits :) [15:30] s/add/"add"/ [15:30] haha [15:30] with an algebra instead, we could multiply them ^^ [15:31] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:31] does anyone know why i cant access the wicd preferences menu? is that why a graphical sudo client is needed? [15:31] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [15:33] try to close wicd-client, run it from a terminal, and then click [15:34] Yesterday it was kmail, today it's konqueror. My ~/.kde is hosed. [15:35] did you try kde3 -> kde4? [15:35] no, no idea what caused this [15:35] did you have a backup [15:35] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] Jeanne-Kamikaze (n=Jeanne-K@225.Red-212-170-16.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] I did, probably not very recent, it at least should have my mail accounts [15:37] tsk tsk rob [15:37] jeev: have you set up my vps? =) [15:38] thrice`: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ajr3jv84.html [15:38] yea, i dedicated 512 kb disk space and ram [15:38] so it's still trying to boot up [15:38] ouch, I tried dcopserver_shutdown ; kdeinit ... now even konsole died [15:38] sahko: did you add yourself to the netdev group? [15:38] back to console for me [15:38] alienBOB: yes of course. [15:38] I never assume "of course" [15:39] sahko: are you suuure? [15:39] users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev power netdev [15:39] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [15:39] wd (n=wd@71.156.64.13) joined ##slackware. [15:39] grep netdev /etc/group [15:40] i am in that group [15:40] are you on slackware64, or slamd64? [15:40] the first [15:41] t0f (i=1000@wlbr-208-103-146-209.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] t0f (i=1000@wlbr-208-103-146-209.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:41] running dillo,wrong geom,kill pid not working or killall dillo,how do i killit? [15:41] ok, I don't know sahko, sorry [15:42] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-5.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] wd: pkill -9 dillo [15:42] thrice`: ty. [15:42] thrice`: "p"kill? [15:42] maybe i hosed the conf files, cause they changed quite a bit with the 1.6.1 update [15:42] process ? [15:42] yes, process kill [15:43] pkill [pgrep] (1) - look up or signal processes based on name and other attributes [15:43] thrice`: ah. ok. [15:43] rob0: ok [15:44] guys i'm pleased with 10.2. really impressive. i'm taking a break from gentoo and slack is just as snappy without USE flags. lol [15:44] 10.2 is quite old wd ! [15:44] vi [15:44] it's very old :( [15:44] Slackware 10.2 ?!? [15:44] the current is the best :p [15:44] thrice`: i'm testing on a toshiba laptop.. p 75mhz 2g hd.. see. [15:45] rob0: ^^ [15:45] wow, gentoo would not be fun on that [15:45] 10.2 isn't much smaller than 12.2 [15:45] thrice`: exactly [15:45] 2.6 might need more ram [15:45] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.157.6.159) joined ##slackware. [15:45] rob0: some reason the 2.6 kernel isn't playing nice [15:45] thrice`: lol [15:45] sahko: looks more like a wicd bug, this [15:46] on 40meg ram.. [15:47] I haven't tried 2.6 on anything that old. Heck, I don't even mess with stuff that old, now. My oldest computer is ~PII era. [15:47] slack64 on 40mb ram? [15:47] alienBOB: great, i ll report a bug then. thanks [15:47] thrice`: i really want to be a true slacker.....is slapt-get cheating? lol i like installpkg and all but man depends are important. [15:47] yes, it's cheating! [15:47] maybe i should try 1.6.2 which is out first [15:47] thrice`: read on emerde but heck i might as well stay with gentoo then. [15:48] thrice`: ok [15:48] "emerde" ? [15:48] wd, check out slackpkg, it is now (slackware-current, soon to be 13.0) part of the main distro. [15:48] or is it just a typo for emerge? [15:48] rob0: it's in 12.2 too, no? [15:48] rob0: yeah but i read for "true" dep checking use slapt-get [15:48] no, google it, and I know what emerde means en francais ;) [15:49] I was wondering if that was on purpose ;) [15:49] oh yes I guess slackpkg is in 12.2 [15:49] in extra/ maybe [15:49] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [15:49] nope, ap/ [15:49] in 12.2 already? [15:50] thrice`: ok how often do you install from source? and what dir do you untar sources in /opt? [15:50] sigh [15:50] wd: nope, I use slackbuilds.org for most of the non-slackware stuff [15:50] Camarade_Tux: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1.tgz [15:51] thrice`: ok i'll go check it out.. i'm really trying guys. [15:51] _FlyBacK_[Safe_V (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:51] thrice`: ok ;) [15:51] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:51] _FlyBacK_[Safe_V (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [15:52] thrice`: i'm going for it.. jus can't shake emerge and the file dir's are diff.. :) but i'm learning quick. [15:53] thrice`: what command list all files installed? i got slapt-get for this and depend checking the i realized darnit installpkg is just better and simpler. [15:53] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-225-230.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] wd: you can list everything installed with ls /var/log/packages. [15:54] all of them installed? packages are in /var/log/packages/ [15:54] fire|bird: ty [15:54] so, you can use "cat" with any of those [15:54] thrice`: ty [15:54] wd: dependencies are important. SO important to the Slacker that we leave it up to you to resolve them and not have some program figure them out for you [15:55] Action: wd can't believe how snappy slackware really darn is. lol [15:55] wd: you can run 'pkgtool' too, it will take your hand for a little bit [15:55] Camarade_Tux: ty. [15:55] alienBOB: yeah i've been reading that.. i'm almost sold. [15:56] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [15:56] alienBOB: i'm jus afraid to install an app to see it cry for something. [15:56] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:56] wd: well, if it crys, you get what it wants and wipe the tears. :) [15:56] fire|bird: love it. lol [15:56] wd: A number of people that I recommend slack to say the same thing, they notice a 30% increase in "snappiness" on their computer. A totally useless and anecdotal measurement, but interesting nonetheless :P [15:57] wd: yes, that's only a problem if you use packages you find around teh internet :) that's why alot of people use slackbuilds.org stuff [15:57] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] oh guys i'm tempted to fdisk gentoo... damn you all. lol [15:57] thrice`: ok [15:57] thrice`: now slackbuilds stuff...have the app or source been modified? [15:58] thrice`: or just precompiled for me? [15:58] Generally, the apps are built from source and NOT patched. [15:58] Slackware tries to be as close to upstream as possible. [15:58] wd: slackbuilds.org gives you the source and a slackbuild, you run the slackbuild and it makes a package for you. http://www.slackbuilds.org/howto [15:58] oh and jus for the record i'm testing on this old lappy before the main boxes..sorry. gotta learn it first. [15:59] no need to apologize, everyone starts somewhere :D [15:59] fire|bird: ok [15:59] wd: perfect, you can be taught the true slackware way :) [15:59] I always find it terrible how easy it is to update a package on slackware compared to other distros :) [15:59] thrice`: exactly. [15:59] I'm on somebody's ubuntu and just say "use the slackbuild" :D [16:00] hahahaha [16:00] slack seems so pure.. omg. [16:00] wd: there is a tool called "sbopkg" which lets you just click on an app, and it downloads the slackbuilds.org script, the source, and compiles a package for you [16:00] More and more I find that Slackware is the only GNU/Linux that is usable. [16:00] (that's right, I said it. GNU/Linux! wanna fight about it?) [16:00] http://www.sbopkg.org/ [16:01] thrice`: ty [16:01] eviljames: yeah! BSD/X/GNU/Linux [16:01] honestly, between sbopkg and slackpkg, slackware's package management is quite easy these days :) [16:01] thrice`: why ruin the fun :D [16:01] thrice`: so i should take off slapt-get and install slackpkg and test it [16:01] thrice`: i'm still impressed with installpkg. [16:01] /bin/sh: slapt-get: command not found [16:02] well, slackpkg is just a wrapper for installpkg/upgradepkg wd [16:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] so, if you tell slackpkg to update your system, it will download the packages from a mirror, and use "upgradepkg" on them by itself [16:03] thrice`: oh yeah it's not a "true" depend handler like slapt-get huh? [16:03] nope, it only works with official slackware packages [16:03] thrice`: which i'm finding all the libs and stuff are already installed. [16:03] it doesn't do depends [16:03] Camarade_Tux: k [16:03] exactly, by default in slackware, everything included has its depends already handled [16:03] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] thrice`: oh my really [16:04] of course :) [16:04] thrice`: so what's the problem then? lol [16:04] lol [16:04] why havn't i switched yet.. darnit [16:04] hm, wd efnet ? [16:04] jeev: no [16:04] ok [16:05] slapt-get does not do dependencies, it is a stipped down debian apt thing, but all that was stripped out, all it is really good for is updating a system from an official mirror [16:05] the main problem is when people try to remove some package, slackware won't tell you "don't do that, it'll break something!!!" [16:05] thrice`: oh [16:05] i think whenever someone attempts to remove a program, slackware should call thrice`, wake him up whenever and ask him to verbally warn [16:06] no, ask jeev [16:06] thrice`: so what should i do or get to maintain my packages? [16:06] wd: alackpkg [16:06] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.157.6.159) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:06] thumbs: ok [16:06] with slackware YOU are the package manager [16:06] Pig_Pen: yeah i read that too. lol [16:06] i love it [16:07] Pig_Pen: right, and all package managers suck :D [16:07] just do a complete install until you know what you can live without wd [16:07] omg I broke firefox, lol [16:07] Camarade_Tux: all package mangers suck except me [16:07] I told it to use firefox to open .php files, hoping it would display them as html, and it just started opening a ton of tabs at the same time [16:07] Camarade_Tux: yeah but if you install something and it cries for a lib or depend app you what search the internet for source and install right and wala? [16:07] its not responding [16:07] :( [16:08] Kill the process [16:08] yeah, im gonna have to. [16:08] stealth-: open xterm and type in firefox hit enter and look what errors it spits back [16:08] wd: packages.slackware.it has a search by filename (broken if you select slackware64-current afaict) [16:09] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.144) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:09] Pig_Pen: you don't suck? ='( [16:09] Pig_Pen: well, whats happening is firefox is opening a untitled window to ask me what to do with it, like it would normally pop up the download dialogue, but I told it to use firefox so it uses firefox to open it, causing another tab to open and so on [16:10] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.36) joined ##slackware. [16:10] i seen both firefox, mozilla and seamonkey crash in such as a way that the app was still running in the background but the window was gone, you have to kill it with top or the killall command then it will work again [16:10] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-157-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] how often do you guys jus download a source and install that way? original way like way back when? lol [16:10] wd: never. [16:10] thumbs: wow [16:10] wd: we use slackbuilds [16:10] thumbs: ok [16:10] shit, I killed it, and it opened another window [16:11] not sure what to do with that stealth- [16:11] haha, ill fix it [16:11] im sure there is a way [16:11] i smell food cooking i am going in the kitchen to see, it smells great!!! [16:11] Pig_Pen, maybe you have to peel potato's [16:11] dont risk it [16:11] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:12] i can't believe slack is powering this old laptop. lol. debian sarge crawled on it with flux and i have xfce4 and fluxbox with slack. [16:12] no tater peeling today, onion burgers, i love hamburgers with fried onions [16:13] ok i'm sold.. if i can just hit enter to fdisk gentoo.. lol [16:13] DO IT [16:14] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] LIKE A SLACK MAN [16:14] Action: fire|bird hit's wd's enter key. Weeeeeeeeee, look at it go. [16:14] LOL, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/13/1727218/Wells-Fargo-Bank-Sues-Itself?from=rss [16:14] DeeeeP: lol [16:14] Haha [16:14] wd, slackware is like that, it will run great on old hardware, i have an ancient laptop with just a 700 meg P3 and 512 megs ram and slack runs great on it [16:14] y0 agentc0re|work [16:14] $HELLO [16:14] world [16:14] agentc0re|work: haha, I had read that yesterday. :P [16:15] fire|bird: lol... wtf script has been called. [16:15] haha [16:15] agentc0re|work: woot! :P [16:15] Pig_Pen: what about codecs for movies and flash for mozilla and stuff like that..gentoo was great for that? [16:16] wd: slackware is as well. There's alot of stuff included. As for flash, etc. slackbuilds.org has what you need. [16:16] movies u got mplayer installed [16:16] u need to install flash plugin [16:16] last week I had 96KB left on my /, I didn't notice if during several hours and only noticed it because it was displayed in conky [16:16] none of that, i run slackware without X on that old laptop. i do have a couple of nice modern desktops for multimedia stuff [16:16] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:16] DeeeeP: ok [16:16] DeeeeP: in 13rc1, yes. I don't think it's installed by default in 12.2 [16:16] im talking about current [16:16] DeeeeP: yes, current, atm, = 13rc1 [16:16] yes [16:17] well, i do have mplayer running with the framebuffer driver, but it dont have the gl acceleration X does [16:17] mplayer was introduced somewhere between [16:17] wd: If you're using slack 12.2, mplayer isn't installed, but is available from slackbuilds.org [16:17] Pig_Pen: how is that working out? u run mplayer without x right like at a console and u can see the movie? [16:17] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:17] fire|bird: ok [16:18] fire|bird: 10.2... to test slackware. [16:18] yeah, i can play movies without x on that old laptop, it does ok [16:18] wd: It may seem like alot, and different, to begin with, but once you get slack installed and going, you won't look back at any other distro again. :) [16:19] fire|bird: i'm starting to see this a little jus i under 12 hours. [16:19] How can large company's like that be allowed to be so stupid? [16:19] all that time USE flags and emerging.. damn it! however it was "specially" made to my arch. :) [16:19] just build mplayer with framebuffer support, and run mplayer -zoom -xy 1024 -fs [16:19] wd: I started by trying Slackware in VirtualBox, I installed it to the hard drive the next day. :) [16:20] the WTF script crashed and then rm -rf my computer. [16:20] gentoo's portage is a damn mess, Crux linux has a better ports system than gentoo [16:20] fire|bird: pussy! I installed it directly without trying :D [16:21] Pig_Pen: that's cos portage isn't really ports. [16:21] s/trying/trying first/ [16:21] Pig_Pen: no really [16:21] Pig_Pen: it was trying to fix ports (not that ports was broken to begin with) [16:21] Camarade_Tux: Well aren't you Mr. Fancy, eh Frenchy. :P [16:21] StevenR_: ports is cool. [16:21] wd: yup. exactly. [16:22] fire|bird: I think some os was dead, or the computer was new ;) [16:22] i.e. there was nothing to lose ;p [16:22] ports is a great method of installing software, but gentoo screwed their ports system with too much fusterclucking [16:22] ok guys gotta go to slackbuilds and read on it and see if i can get some courage to press enter and wipe out gentoo. lol [16:22] wd: it doesn't take courage. just wisdom. ;-) [16:22] Camarade_Tux: yeah, in that case, go for it. [16:23] BP{k}: ooouch. lol [16:23] haha [16:23] :) [16:23] Pig_Pen: Please, enlighten me on this "fusterclucking" :P [16:23] ok, bbiaf, time for vittles :) [16:23] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.213.120) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] wd: Where there's a will, there's a way. Now hit that enter key. :) [16:23] all these damn years USE flaging.. damn it. i feel like i wasted my life the last 6 years [16:23] :( [16:23] just backup anything you need first, or you'll be doomed. :P [16:23] Action: BP{k} presses enter for wd and goes back to doing slackbuilds [16:24] Action: fire|bird high fives BP{k} [16:24] wd: Denial is the first step to recovery. [16:24] wd: it's even worse. You didn't even waste you life. You got a machine to waste your life for you! [16:24] BP{k}: lol [16:24] Urchlay: ok really ouch. [16:24] haha [16:24] eh, it's probly not as bad as all that [16:24] Urchlay: Yah, probably worse. :P [16:24] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:25] vi (n=vi@122.163.198.219) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Action: wd cries and he has new partitions gentoo gone... [16:25] \o/ [16:25] Nick change: vi -> Guest77839 [16:25] \0/ [16:25] Action: witz hands wd tissue [16:25] omg [16:25] hip hip horray. hip hip horray. \o/ [16:25] lol [16:25] Action: agentc0re|work hands wd lotion [16:25] witz: lol [16:25] you guys [16:26] now i really have to read these slackbuild books i made at kinkos.. lol [16:26] wd: indeed. :) [16:26] Action: Camarade_Tux brings champagne and foie-gras, and keeps everything for himself :) [16:26] wd: Also, check /topic. There's some great links there to for reading. [16:26] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] jus gotta use to /usr/bin whenever i want to do commands. [16:27] Camarade_Tux: yeah, you would do that, wouldn't you. :) [16:27] *get [16:27] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:27] this 2.4 kernel isn't bad at all. [16:27] fire|bird: anytime you want ;) [16:28] fire|bird, hi [16:28] Hey dive, how are you? [16:28] i guess i'll put 12 on my main boxes. [16:28] cmair (n=cmair@host39-108-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:28] fine thanks - yourself? [16:28] ehm, what are you running that has the 2.4 kernel? [16:28] wd: \o/ 12.2 :) [16:28] 13! [16:28] Urchlay: he's testing his laptop with 10.2 [16:28] no, 13 arsey1 [16:28] dive: doing great, thank you. :) [16:28] Urchlay: 10.2 on laptop pentium 75mhz 2g hd. [16:29] I'm on 13rc1 right now. :) [16:29] 10.2 is a nice vintage, I'd still use it on a slower machine [16:29] Action: Camarade_Tux nots 10.2 runs on absolutely anything [16:29] Guest77839 (n=vi@122.163.198.219) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:29] wd: how old is your laptop? [16:29] fire|bird, I have yet again updated the theme because I noticed that on flux startup the buttons were scaled wrong [16:29] Urchlay: all with xfce and flux... man oh man. :) [16:29] Guest77839 (n=vi@122.163.198.219) joined ##slackware. [16:29] dive: Ah, ok. I'll get the update in a bit. [16:29] ok [16:29] BP{k}: well it's a toshiba 400cs with win95.. lo [16:29] lol [16:29] Guest77839 (n=vi@122.163.198.219) left irc: "Leaving" [16:29] heh, in fact, 6 months ago I was still running slamd64 10.2 on my "big box" [16:30] wd: okay, I am impressed... [16:30] I dunno, 12.2 is pretty zippy on my 300MHz Geode. [16:30] dive: update has been gotten. :) [16:30] great [16:30] I didn't think people used laptops older than my thoshiba tecra 780dvd [16:30] Insists on 64MB RAM though. [16:30] BP{k}: i installed slack using a laptop to hd adapter and popped it in the lap.. and zoom. lol [16:31] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] SuN: hey, I have a whole stack of set-top style boxes with Geodes in 'em, 300 or 333MHz or so :) [16:31] wd: smart thinking [16:31] Urchlay: nice [16:31] They make awesome routers / access points. [16:31] Mine's a thin client. [16:31] Fanless, 8GB compactflash. [16:31] Action: BP{k} reinstalls 12.2 on his tecra [16:32] BP{k}: yeah i had debian sarge on it and it crawled. [16:32] SuN: I can't think of a useful use for them though, they're mostly either missing their drives, or have bad compact flash where disks ought to be [16:32] brb [16:32] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [16:32] Urchlay: can't find anything to replace those disks with? [16:32] Mine came with a DiskOnChip but has a genuine IDE port as well. [16:32] SuN: I maybe could, if I could find a good use for them... [16:32] Router / access point :) [16:33] SuN: do you get a good throughput from the CF? and what about the latency? [16:33] But you can only have so many of those... [16:33] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [16:33] I only need one router/accesspoint right now, and I already have one :) [16:33] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:33] Camarade_Tux: I haven't measured it but it's fine for daily use and the box boots in less than a minute. [16:33] It's obviously not top of the bill. [16:33] these were in fact custom netbsd-based wireless routers/APs that were taken out of service [16:34] But for what I'm using there's not a lot of disk activity going on anyway. [16:34] originally picked them up for free (the guy said "No, you can't have one. But you can have *all of them*") [16:34] SuN: ok, nice :) [16:34] dive: alright, I'm using the update now. :) [16:34] fire|bird, ok :-) [16:35] SuN: just another question : can such a setup sustain a constant throughput for a long time? (I mean, no sudden lag or slowdown) [16:35] Camarade_Tux: I've been using CF cards in a lot of my machines... a few function as routers, others are dumb media terminals that stream movies to my TV from the network. [16:35] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [16:35] usr (n=usr@189.115.232.242.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [16:35] n0b00t (n=n0b0dy@110.137.194.2) joined ##slackware. [16:36] SuN: I'm interested in the movies part, I don't want a sudden lag ;) (but I need a >2MB/s constant throughput) [16:36] Classical (n=Classica@94-43-120-67.dsl.utg.ge) joined ##slackware. [16:36] hey all [16:36] Classical: hello [16:36] n0b00t (n=n0b0dy@110.137.194.2) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:36] Camarade_Tux: well, my media boxes can perfectly play movies that are over 2 hours... there's not a lot of disk activity involved in that sort of streaming anyway. [16:36] hi Classical [16:36] :-) [16:37] my slackware grub is dameged [16:37] Let's put it this way, the CPU is the bottleneck, e.g. for HD purposes. [16:37] SuN: yeah, I was just wondering if there was a "surprise" pitfall ;) [16:37] i install windows so [16:37] i wnat to reinstall grub [16:37] can u help me ? [16:37] The way I have it set up, I have a few nfs mounts in my network mapped to the media machine, it runs Freevo on those dirs and uses mplayer to play content. [16:38] Classical: you can boot on the install cd/dvd to restore it [16:38] SuN: we found out the hard way, generating ssh keys took *forever* on those old CPUs [16:38] Urchlay: hm I think it took a minute, maybe 2 on mine... but it only had to do it once anyway. [16:38] thankz bro [16:38] i will try [16:38] Classical: and maybe chroot to your system with grub or installpkg the grub package from extra and work from the live system [16:39] ok thank u i will try [16:39] SuN: this was more like 6-8 hours, I dunno what caused that (slow floating point? does ssh key generation even use FP?) [16:39] Classical (n=Classica@94-43-120-67.dsl.utg.ge) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] Camarade_Tux: if you do it the way I did, there's nothing going on that requires disk access, apart from maybe some cached icons, some caching and logging, but I've never noticed a delay. [16:39] Urchlay: hm that's weird. [16:39] SuN: ok, nice :) [16:41] crumb (n=crumb@174.36.23.173-static.reverse.softlayer.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] !register [16:43] crumb: fail. :) [16:43] oops :D [16:43] wrong chan [16:43] :) [16:44] !beer [16:44] one day I'll /nick NikcServ and get half of the password [16:44] s [16:44] Camarade_Tux: someone already done that once ;) [16:45] he :) [16:45] people who use server auth would be immune [16:47] oh dear - I thought nikcserv was the right place to register? [16:47] I probably should've been suspicious when it asked for my e-mail AND facebook logins to verify who I was :( [16:47] SuN: this was in the 2.0 kernel days, I think using original (now proprietary) ssh. Might be that a newer OS would perform a lot better on that hardware, assuming it's stripped down so it doesn't need a ton of disk and RAM [16:48] i have everyone's password from when i ddos'd nickserv [16:48] eviljames, if u try inckserv , it only askes you for VIsa number, its quite a fast process :) [16:48] eviljames's password = p3n1s4m3 [16:48] jeev: What's that password? It only showed up as ******** for me? [16:49] haha [16:49] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] your password is p3n1s4m3 [16:49] hahahah [16:49] I'm pretty sure that my password is hunter2, but it doesn't show up as all * s fro me... [16:50] jeev: oh, so you have mine too then? [16:50] The all famous http://bash.org/?244321 lol [16:50] I hope that showed up as all *s for you guys! [16:50] yea fire|bird but it's embarassing for you [16:50] eviljames: yup, sure it did. ;) [16:50] i dont want to tell them [16:50] Urchlay: a normal Slackware 12.2 install runs fairly well but it requires at least 64MB RAM to boot. [16:50] jeev: It is, I could have swore my pass (18 characters) is just random #'s letters, etc. :P [16:51] witz: Anytime someone mentions passwords, that's immediately what comes to mind. [16:51] With a custom kernel and some smart ramdisk settings (for sysfs) you can get that down to less than 32MB, but that requires some fiddling. [16:51] lol witz [16:51] fire|bird / bigboysdontcry [16:51] jeev: you fail. that isn't 18 characters. [16:51] you're faking 18 char [16:51] As far as disk space is concerned, well, 8GB CF is like $10 nowadays :) [16:51] dive: http://imagebin.org/55826 [16:52] jeev: nope, I'm not at all. Seriously, my freenode pass is 18 characters. [16:52] /msg nickserv identify artefdhsuci42 [16:52] oops... [16:52] MidnightDevil (n=Dreamer@85.139.229.170) joined ##slackware. [16:52] heya [16:52] Ouch [16:52] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] hahahaha [16:52] /msg nickserv identify comrad-kgb-militia [16:52] woops [16:52] -NickServ- Invalid password for Camarade_Tux. [16:52] anyone tried it? :D [16:53] yeah, it's not my password at all ;) [16:53] fire|bird, looking good :-) [16:54] where does xchat stores pw's ? [16:54] wd (n=wd@71.156.64.13) left irc: "leaving" [16:54] dive: I finally got urxvt's fonts real nice too. :) and the wallpaper is one that I took on 7.10.09 [16:55] cause mine is *** , and i cant remember [16:55] DeeeeP: probably in ~/.xchat2 [16:55] i've checked [16:55] DeeeeP: It's probably love, sex, or god. [16:55] fire|bird: What font you using? [16:55] DeeeeP: or just sniff packets sent by xchat :D [16:55] lol :x [16:55] ~/.xchat2/servlist_.conf [16:56] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:56] yeah , thanks [16:56] witz: [16:56] argh [16:56] paste fail [16:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:57] witz: -lfp-gamow-medium-r-normail-*-*-90-*-*-c-*-iso8859-5 [16:57] s/normail/normal [16:58] Invertigo (n=Invertig@pool-71-115-170-223.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Urchlay: do your set tops have video capabilities? [16:58] fire|bird, which font is that in urxvt? [16:58] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [16:58] they have s-video and/or composite video outputs [16:58] Any hardware decoding chips? [16:59] dive: -lfp-gamow-medium-r-normal-*-*-90-*-*-c-*-iso8859-5 <---in ~/.Xdefaults [16:59] ok thanks [16:59] probly not, but I don't have any here to look at (they're in storage) [16:59] I should have looked up a line :P [17:00] Would be nice to fiddle around with VLC and turn them into media streamers, I guess. [17:00] dive: in that ss, it doesn't look quite as nice as what it actually is. It's the best font I've found for urxvt so far. [17:00] I used one for a firewall/bridge at my old job, was headless (ran a getty on the serial port, so I guess that means they do have serial ports...) [17:00] If they do hardware MPEG2 or something. [17:00] that would be very cool [17:00] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:01] fire|bird, I tried but the only font that worked with utf8 is the default font and it looked too small on my desktop box (haven't tried on this laptop) [17:01] So far I've let my clients do all the decoding, MPEG2, divx/xvid, but if you let the server re-encode to a format that the box can decode in hardware, it could make a nice streaming client. [17:01] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-220.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:01] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [17:01] dive: yeah, that was my gripe with it too, the default font looked bad and way to small. I haven't had any utf8 issues with this font, that I recall anyway. [17:01] Because so far, my clients have been SFF boxes but are still quite large and use about 50W idle. [17:01] Gah, froze off irssi [17:02] fire|bird, can you read this: ¹²³"ðe???? [17:02] whoa [17:02] hey wtf [17:02] i see boxes [17:02] dive: yeah. [17:02] And they're all < 2GHz which very occasionally causes them to choke on badly encoded files. [17:02] i can't even read all those characters [17:03] but I can see them input box [17:03] I can *see* the characters, but that doesn't mean I can read whatever they say :) [17:03] lol irssi messup [17:03] dive: yeah, I can see and read what they say. :) [17:03] character encoding and font support for said characters [17:03] One of them is not in my character set, the 5th one. [17:03] i cant see only one char , with IRC charset , at xchat [17:03] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:03] fire|bird: I use xft:MonteCarlo:pixelsize=8 Nice and small, just right. [17:04] witz: cool [17:04] subscripted 1 2 3, ae, curly quote-mark, cents, eth (or is it a thorn?), lowercase e, 4 question marks. Is that right? [17:04] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-5.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] I use the "Fixed" font that comes with Konsole if you do "install bitmap fonts" [17:05] Very pleasant. [17:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:05] fire|bird: Couldn't load your font, custom font? [17:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:05] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [17:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:05] witz: no, not custom at all. [17:05] Urchlay, there is only one ? at the end [17:05] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:06] basically I did + 123abcdefgh [17:06] oh and ? [17:06] Strange.. [17:06] dive: alt-gr? right alt? [17:06] yes [17:07] heh. My right alt key acts just like the left one, and either one with numbers means "switch to desktop #" [17:07] dive: Hmm, that doesn't seem to work here. [17:07] it should be named AltGr to work [17:07] crumb (n=crumb@174.36.23.173-static.reverse.softlayer.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:07] alt won't work [17:07] áâãäåæçè <--- that's what I get when I type alt + abcdefgh (either alt key) [17:08] If I hit right alt and then any numbers, it switches irssi windows. :P [17:08] alt+a changes channel for me in irssi [17:08] Urchlay: do you remember the make/model of your set tops? I'd like to see if I can get one somewhere to play with. [17:08] the only one I can ever remember is alt-q is the spanish ñ (enye) [17:08] SuN: eh, I'll have to look next time I go spelunking in the storage unit. Which ought to be pretty soon. Remind me in about a week? [17:09] Urchlay: ok, remind me to remind you in about a week? ;) [17:09] SuN: if I remember to :) [17:09] :D [17:10] I've got the irssi alt key stuff disabled (can't remember how I did it, but I have to use escape, then a number, to change channels/windows) [17:10] mostly because it was conflicting with the alt-numbers desktop switching (I used that for 7-8 years before I ever used irssi, wasn't about to give it up) [17:11] Urchlay, I have alt_Fn for desktop switching which I think is flux default [17:12] and alt+n for irssi [17:12] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] now I'm wondering why those characters show input box but now in scrollback [17:12] s/now/not/ [17:12] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:14] my alt + F-keys don't do much (not even alt-F4 for "close window"). I can't remember what it was, but I used to use some app that used them... [17:14] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] mancha (i=damancha@unaffiliated/damancha) joined ##slackware. [17:14] mancha (i=damancha@unaffiliated/damancha) left ##slackware. [17:15] ctrl q will quit an app (gui mode) [17:15] Urchlay: hmm esc # works here as well, but I can't remember configuring it to do so. [17:16] ctrl w will close a tab in firefox, seamonkey, (probably opera too) [17:16] ctrl-Q? No thank you, I use ctrl-W for "delete word" and ctrl-A for "go to beginning of line" in more than one app (including terminals). I damn sure don't want to accidentally murder my app... [17:17] BP{k}: I think it Just Works by default, in case someone's keymap is screwed up or they're already using alt+numbers like I was [17:17] Urchlay: wouldn't suprise me. [17:18] MidnightDevil (n=Dreamer@85.139.229.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] heh, firefox does use ctrl-Q for "quit app", Q is right next to the Tab key (ctrl-Tab = switch tabs)... I have to set FF up to warn when trying to quit with multiple tabs open, or else typos kill my session :( [17:18] RipVanWinkle: ctrl-F4 is what I use to close tabs in firefox [17:18] fp__ (n=chatzill@76.201.153.234) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]" [17:19] ctrl-W would be easier to type (but then it'd be easier to hit by accident...) [17:20] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [17:20] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] I heard they have F20 keys now. [17:20] I have an F16 fighterjet. [17:20] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:20] personne ne cause un brin de français svp ? [17:20] :( [17:21] I mean F13 - F20 keys [17:21] fredoslack: well, I do but this is meant to be an english channel [17:21] Camarade_Tux, je galère lol [17:21] fixed: /recode_out_default_charset = utf-8 [17:21] Indeed, I think fredoslack and I got in to some trouble over that last week :P [17:21] or set thereof [17:21] yes [17:22] you remember lol [17:22] æ¢ðeK'’j8B [17:22] Well, THAT was horrible. dive, what was that supposed to be? [17:22] unicide spam sorry [17:22] fredoslack: what is the problem? [17:22] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [17:22] Camarade_Tux, i speek bad the english [17:22] eviljames, are you being evil? [17:22] hey, I understood that [17:22] fredoslack: we all speek bad the english here :) [17:23] Yes. [17:23] dive: He's always evil. :) [17:23] What do you guys think about including the actual "Slackware" distribution name in a resume? [17:23] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.27.99) joined ##slackware. [17:23] Urchlay, check out that setting in irssi - I had it set to recode into cp1252 for some reason [17:23] dive: what was that, altGr + abcdefghjkl? [17:23] /set recode_out_default_charset = utf-8 [17:23] fredoslack: vas-y en français [17:23] It probably won't mean anything to people who are just hiring, would it? [17:23] antiwire: in what sense? [17:23] Urchlay, yes something like that [17:24] dive: mine was blank. Try sending that again? [17:24] Camarade_Tux, bah j'ai du mal à suivre lol [17:24] fredoslack: English [17:24] BP{k}: In a section that defines some Linux backgroun [17:24] antiwire: depends on where you're applying, I guess. [17:24] anyway [17:24] æ¢ðeK'’j8Bµnøþ@¶ßg“B»« [17:24] Camarade_Tux, pourtant ce salon me plait lol [17:24] thats a-z [17:24] ok thumbs sorry [17:24] fredoslack: hahaha :P [17:24] dive: one sec... [17:24] fredoslack: perhaps I should speak Spanish all the time too, then you'll see how we feel. [17:24] If it's a Linux shop and a Linux-related position, then it would earn you some respect, I guess. [17:25] well [17:25] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.72.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] :( [17:25] must throw some chicken on the fire [17:25] Action: dive is starvings [17:25] dive: throw some firebird619 on the fire too. [17:25] Camarade_Tux, méchant lol [17:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [17:25] dive: http://imagebin.org/55832 <--- look about 6 lines from the bottom [17:26] fredoslack: :) [17:27] :( [17:27] am guessing the @ character is wrong, and maybe the lowercase j also? [17:27] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:28] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:28] Urchlay, no it shows as @ here [17:28] whichever key that was [17:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [17:28] altgr+q [17:29] áâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùú <--- that's alt + a thru z (either alt key = same result) [17:29] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.27.99) left irc: "Leaving" [17:29] what charset is that? [17:30] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:30] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [17:30] and which client? [17:30] eh, right now it ought to be utf-8/unicode, if that's what you're asking [17:30] hmm [17:30] the client is irssi, running inside screen, running in a utf-enabled xterm [17:31] /set term_charset? [17:31] what do those characters look like to you? garbled, or variants of lowercase a, etc.? [17:31] /set recode_out_default_charset ? [17:31] it's "utf-8" already [17:31] also utf-8 [17:32] are those characters garbage, or are they valid (mostly accented vowels)? [17:32] they are accented a's an ae c accented e's i'e o n more o's... [17:32] right, that's what they look like here [17:32] perhaps your lang is different to mine [17:33] cmair (n=cmair@host39-108-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:33] am going to say it's an X11 keyboard mapping issue. LANG is set to en_US.UTF-8 in my environment, don't think it's that [17:33] same here [17:33] try it in Terminal [17:33] perhaps its the term [17:34] what the heck is "Terminal"? [17:34] ah also the font [17:34] Mac OS calls theirs that... [17:34] well I mean xcfe terminal :P [17:34] hm, do I even have that installed? (running windowmaker...) [17:34] I know it plain linux console I could only get one font to display unicode chars correctly [17:35] Urchlay, xterm [17:35] if you have xfce then you should [17:35] Urchlay: do you have xfce installed [17:35] xfce's terminal is ignoring alt+letters entirely [17:35] Urchlay: rly ? [17:35] DeeeeP: xterm is what I am using for this IRC session (and everything else) [17:35] windowmaker discontinue desarrollo? [17:35] ;p [17:35] what's the switch for unicode xterm -u ? [17:35] yeah , xfce terminal ignores alt letters [17:35] dive: I dunno the CLI switch, I set it in my .Xdefaults [17:36] hmm not all [17:36] XTerm*utf8: 1 [17:36] XTerm*locale: UTF-8 [17:36] right let me have a look [17:36] don't forget to "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults" after editing it [17:36] (I mention that only because I usually forget...) [17:37] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1ff) left irc: Client Quit [17:37] oh and BTW: I've got utf8 enabled in .vimrc, and vim gives me the same key map (accented vowels mostly for alt+letters) [17:37] Urchlay: I love you ! [17:38] Camarade_Tux: eh? I love me too, but what's your reason? :) [17:38] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] I was having problems with utf8 encodings and noticed your xterm settings, utf8 is now fixed in irssi through screen+ssh :) [17:38] ah, rockin' [17:38] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:40] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip72-198-122-202.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] sadly, all this nice unicode stuff doesn't actually make me even slightly better at *reading* those languages that use the extra characters :( [17:40] in french, 'ç' reads as 'ss' [17:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-4-230.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:41] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip72-198-122-202.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-70-171.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] 'é', 'è', 'ê' *roughly* correspond to "he" or ... (/me still searching) [17:43] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:43] æ¢ðeK'’j [17:43] thats in xterm [17:43] god my eyes [17:43] dive: everything displays correctly here :) [17:44] I got the same in xterm as terminal [17:44] ‚ [17:44] yay, that works [17:44] gn every [17:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-64-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:45] that is roman numeral ten thousand [17:45] that was strange - I almost got sucked into the cosmos [17:45] fire|bird: doesn't display here, can't you just use the letters? :D [17:45] started xterm from screen, connected to screen session o0 [17:45] hi [17:46] Camarade_Tux: but even knowing how they're pronounced isn't going to help me understand WTF you're saying :( [17:46] josefig (i=1000@201.164.97.177) joined ##slackware. [17:46] it's a pity there's no fullscreen mode for xterm though [17:46] Urchlay: he, right ;p [17:46] hello dudes :) [17:46] but it's a first step :D [17:46] yo VanRoy, yo josefig [17:46] ‚ <--- that looks like a shield (a round buckler type), is that correct? [17:46] [] [17:46] yes [17:47] it looks like a viagra pill :p [17:47] Urchlay: which font are you using? [17:47] didn't know the Romans could count that high... [17:47] Camarade_Tux: uni-vga (aka bolkhov-vga) [17:47] & [17:47] Urchlay: don't know [17:47] that one [17:48] dive: sort of a capital H, with the tops being arrowheads [17:48] Action: Camarade_Tux using DejaVuSansMono\ 6 [17:48] 6 points? what are you, using a magnifying glass? [17:48] lol [17:49] Invertigo (n=Invertig@pool-71-115-170-223.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:49] or 6 pixels on a 42" display? That might be readable... [17:49] Urchlay: 15" :) [17:50] eh, if it's really 6 points (where 1 point = 1/72 inch), you can't be seriously using that, you'll go blind [17:50] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.72.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:50] josefig: dadada [17:50] hahaha [17:50] :P [17:50] Urchlay: I'm using that everywhere ;) [17:50] you will go blind [17:50] want a screenshot? =) [17:50] fire|bird, yes? =P [17:51] eh, sure, but your screenshot won't have the same impact as the real thing cause my monitor's a good bit bigger than 15" [17:51] josefig: lol, I forgot I am on dvorak, so that come out wrong the first time. :) [17:52] hehe np [17:52] Urchlay: http://omploader.org/vMXl6NQ/IloveUrchlay.png :) [17:52] Camarade_Tux: nice file name [17:52] Action: Camarade_Tux blushes [17:53] Urchlay: well, you know how he feels about you. :) [17:53] agh, I'd really get eyestrain if I looked at that all day long. I can read it, but it's *tiny*. Can only imagine it's worse on a 15" [17:53] hahaha [17:54] fire|bird: I'm sure it's the manly kind of love that doesn't involve anything poofy [17:54] Urchlay: well, I hope so. [17:54] Camarade_Tux: ouch ... my eyes can't handle that :) [17:54] Camarade_Tux: what terminal is that? [17:54] anyone with current cant try to lauch ktorrent ? [17:54] fire|bird: xterm [17:54] BP{k}: I'm sorry for your eyes ;) [17:55] DeeeeP: it works great here [17:55] hmm [17:55] here it doesnt [17:55] but this font displays just nicely :) [17:55] no error on terminal [17:55] My urxvt has quit working [17:55] he prolly has pop bottoms for eye glasses ... [17:56] Action: InspectorCluseau pop bottle [17:56] vAd0r (n=IceChat7@216-201-139-51.res.logixcom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] ktorrent appears to fire up just fine here, on 64-bit 13rc1 [17:57] DeeeeP: It's not just minimized to the tray, is it. [17:57] Action: Camarade_Tux readies a better screenshot [17:57] ktorrent works fine since kde 4.2.2 here [17:57] Wagner (n=Wagner@201.78.82.1) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Camarade_Tux: what will this one be called? [17:57] fire|bird, -.- [17:57] it appears to contain a web browser, too (searching on isohunt gave me a normal web page, except I'd never seen it without the benefit of adblock before) [17:58] hi [17:58] hi [17:58] good evening [17:58] oi [17:58] now, ktorrent won't *die* when I try to close it [17:58] lol [17:58] http://omploader.org/vMXl6Ng/ohdomefirebird.png [17:58] hahahaha [17:58] the lower-left part is conky's fault, didn't happen before [17:58] fire|bird: :) [17:58] i m having problem in my system [17:59] Urchlay, killall -9 ktorrent doesnt solve ? [17:59] fire|bird: greetings :) and is that adesklet working for you now? [17:59] fire|bird, ok , i was as root, with normal user , it works [17:59] Camarade_Tux: WHOA, ocaml coding? [17:59] to start my system it has a kernel panic message [17:59] Urchlay: Ahh.. isohunt.. another great Canadian export :P [17:59] O.o [17:59] chopp: indeed it is [17:59] Wagner: are you on a custom kernel? [17:59] fire|bird: right on [17:59] just plain "killall ktorrent" killed it, but it augurs poorly for a "user friendly" desktop application to fail to respond to the simplest possible user interface control (the close button) [17:59] DeeeeP: :) [18:00] fire|bird: ocaml in middle left and middle lower :) [18:00] Camarade_Tux: :D [18:00] no i dont a custom kernel [18:00] and the check shows that error lilo warning / proc / partitions does not exist disk scan passed by [18:00] Action: Urchlay was going to consider trying ktorrent instead of transmission for a while, but such a massive case of fail in the 10 second period I ran it for, convinces me it sucks [18:01] Wagner: which kernel are you trying to boot - generic, or huge? [18:01] Urchlay: ever used deluge? [18:01] huge [18:01] chopp: no... does it exit when I tell it to? :) [18:01] Wagner: did the install go OK? [18:02] Urchlay: ever tried qbittorrent [18:02] Urchlay: works for me, but I also like transmission. [18:02] chopp: is deluge GUI or run in a terminal? [18:02] Urchlay: see, on my last screenshot, I can have 9 80x25 windows on the screen in a 3x3 layout, that's why I have that [18:02] fire|bird: no... any good? [18:02] Urchlay: gui [18:02] other thing that anoys me , is the download window in FF ... when i right click on finished download and choose "open containing Folder" it just wont work [18:03] Urchlay: yes, very good in my opinion [18:03] can anyone verify it please ? [18:03] Camarade_Tux: well I could crank my font size down to 2 pixels and have 20 or 30 80x25 windows, but they'd be as useless as your tiny font window is to me [18:03] the system was installed two weeks was today when I start it has this problem [18:03] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Urchlay: if I use a 5px instead, anti-aliasing "fills" the letters and they get unreable (for example, an 'o' has no hole) [18:04] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [18:05] Action: chopp can't imagine life without a hole [18:05] Camarade_Tux: if I really needed that many visible terminals at once, I'd go dual head (again) [18:05] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:06] Urchlay: I'm on a laptop =/ [18:07] chopp: I can make all holes open again in a second :) [18:07] thrice? [18:07] sorry, i'm sick of asking the questions. SOMETHING changed [18:07] Wagner: what is the kernel panic message? [18:08] "vfs: unable to mount..."? [18:08] you need to be a little more descriptive than "it quit working" [18:09] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.205) joined ##slackware. [18:10] vAd0r (n=IceChat7@216-201-139-51.res.logixcom.net) left irc: "On the other hand, you have different fingers." [18:10] Camarade_Tux: on a laptop, I wouldn't try to do serious development work that would require a layout like that... actually nothing I do requires more than 5 or 6 terminals, and usually only 2 are visible at once [18:10] or maybe 3 [18:10] i dont remember [18:12] I know that the error has to do with lilo [18:12] then we can't really help you Wagner [18:12] Urchlay: I only have a laptop [18:13] ok [18:13] Wagner (n=Wagner@201.78.82.1) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:13] Has anyone ever ordered from chinavasion.com ? [18:14] Urchlay: that project generates code so I need to 1- have my code, 2- a terminal in the dir for that code, 3- a terminal in the dir for the generated code (to make it), 4- show the generated code, 5- show what I'm using to generate the code [18:14] 5 is really my minimum [18:15] Camarade_Tux: weird. If I could only have one machine, it wouldn't be a laptop... compared to a well-built desktop, they're kinda fragile (and I know my limitations: I'm just not capable of being as gentle & careful as a laptop requires, if I'm using it all day every day) [18:15] josefig (i=1000@201.164.97.177) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] Urchlay: last friday I took the train and had my laptop with me, in 20 hours I'll take the train back, and have my laptop too [18:17] and I also use my laptop for school, I actually use my laptop as a... laptop ;) [18:18] I use my laptop _everywhere_ [18:18] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:18] eviljames: in bed too? :o [18:19] eviljames: that site looks kinda shady :> [18:19] Not often, the webcam on it is shitty. I've got a good camera for that. [18:19] err. [18:19] i know several people that use the laptop while taking a shit; should i add you to the list? :) [18:19] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.36) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [18:19] [ in bed ] [18:19] lol [18:19] thrice`: I can't remember who recommended me there, but I want some of the products :P [18:19] rg3: Definitely. [18:20] Not presently, but often. [18:20] heh. Having a laptop gives you zero time to be idle, that kinda sucks [18:21] screw smelling the flowers, you're far too busy with TPS reports :) [18:21] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Jeanne-Kamikaze (n=Jeanne-K@225.Red-212-170-16.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Did you hear that ?" [18:22] "flowers" is the new euphemism for "turds", in this case [18:22] huh? [18:22] eviljames: mind sharing the videos? :D [18:23] just because he's in France, doesn't mean the streets are lined with human feces (that's more likely in India...) [18:23] w t f [18:23] Urchlay: nevermind, a joke on the using-the-laptop-while-crapping stuff [18:23] and probably only the crappy underdeveloped parts of India [18:23] Urchlay: guess you missed an earlier message from rg3 ;) [18:23] apparently so.. [18:23] Camarade_Tux: Oh, that sounds like something I'd be really keen on doing, how did you know?! [18:24] Camarade_Tux: Besides, I didn't realize you wanted to see me nude that bad. [18:24] ohhh, right, using a laptop while taking a dump. That's obsessive-compulsive behaviour I think [18:24] now, sales dudes talking on the cel phone, closing deals, while taking a dump... that's just sick [18:24] "must... refresh... facebook..." *plop* [18:24] no, that's talent [18:24] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.202.78.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:24] counting flowers on the wall, doesnt bother me at all [18:24] eviljames: I developped a program that can remove the ugly guys from porn videos, it should prove useful :) [18:24] Playin solitaire till dawn, with the deck of 51... [18:25] eviljames: and when using twitter : "what are you doing?" -> "taking a dump" [18:26] smoking cigarettes and watching captain kangeroo [18:26] thrice`: if I were the client, and I could tell the sales guy was taking a shit, I would hang up and never do business with that company again. The sound of turds plopping in the water, and toilet paper being used, those are dealbreakers to me [18:26] RipVanWinkle: dammit, now who sings that song? (I used to know, can't remember...) [18:26] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.215) left irc: [18:27] yeah, he should have taken care of that business before he went to work in the morning [18:27] Urchlay: why, what service that is! [18:27] trying to think of his name [18:27] hm. wpedia says Statler Brothers [18:28] heh, and here are the chords, in case you want to learn it on guitar: http://chordie.com/chord.pere/www.guitaretab.com/s/statler-brothers/18282.html [18:29] that one guy that wears sunglasses everywhere is the singer in the statler brothers that made it famous [18:30] think I only know that song at all because it was in the movie Pulp Fiction [18:30] no idea what the singer might look like [18:30] anyway I must be out of here, ere I run late [18:31] adios all [18:31] later Urchlay [18:31] josefig (i=1000@201.164.80.155) joined ##slackware. [18:31] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeep" [18:31] Camarade_Tux, yep now my wireless card is working properly with 2.6.30 :) [18:32] josefig (i=1000@201.164.80.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:35] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.236) joined ##slackware. [18:36] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:43] Urchlay ran away eh? >.> [18:43] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] fire|bird, guess what? [18:43] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [18:43] another update [18:44] Sometimes for me Krdc will hang at "Establishing connection...". strace shows it polling with select() and getting EAGAIN on read(). [18:44] I've put the same pixmap on the toolbar because there was a border I couldn't get rid of [18:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [18:45] pi31415: what version of krdc/kde? [18:46] slackmag1c (n=magician@pool-173-57-58-121.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-166-254.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:48] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-91-78.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] dive: alright. :) What's changed? [18:49] fire|bird, did you get it yet? cos I've uploaded again like 10 secs ago [18:50] the problem was a border around the workspace name that I couldn't get rid of [18:50] but using the same image as in the window title bar I fixed it [18:50] so now the toolbar matches the windows [18:51] dive: no, hadn't got it yet. [18:51] I hope I don't have any more fixes lol [18:51] haha [18:51] well, if you do, you do. :) [18:52] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:52] the only thing hat bothers me right now is when you switch to workspace 3 the word 'three' is too close to the left of the bar [18:52] don't know how to change that [18:53] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [18:53] oh yeah, I see what you mean. Hmm, I think there is a way to adjust that, but can't think of it atm. [18:54] If I find how or figure out how, I'll let you know. [18:54] easy solution is number them 1 2 3 4 [18:54] true, imo, I think the written out version looks nicer in the styles. [18:54] in fact I notice now that they are all too close [18:55] hi all [18:55] hi gtl [18:55] hello gtl [18:55] heya gtl [18:55] no the others look ok now [18:55] sup, guys? [18:55] fire|bird: what WM are you talkin about? [18:55] they don't all look to close to me, just three. [18:55] Necos: fluxbox [18:56] Necos, I've been making a style [18:56] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/fluxbox [18:56] Necos: dive's made a really nice style for it. [18:56] theres a screenie and a background that fits it [18:56] fire|bird made the buttons [18:57] interesting [18:57] I forget where the background came from though [18:57] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:57] had it some time now [18:58] dive: yeah, it looks nice without that little border around the workspaces [18:59] i like the theme (even tho i don't use flux) [19:00] for some reason the rounded corners don't always work [19:00] brklynRednek (n=yosi@72.44.171.82) joined ##slackware. [19:01] ah maybe in overlay: toolbar.roundCorners: TopRight TopLeft BottomRight BottomLeft [19:01] seems to work [19:02] yes I've been gradually losing bits of kde and going to flux and non-kde type apps [19:02] I found a nice substitute for klipper - postallite on sf.net [19:03] haven't found any problems yet with it anyway [19:03] cadmium (n=mike@58.65.159.166) joined ##slackware. [19:04] if it I could find a substitute for kile I could rm all kde [19:04] kile = LaTeX yea? [19:04] yes [19:04] ahh.. VIM [19:04] Drats. [19:05] I have to start reminding myself to recommend emacs to people.. it's a much better troll :P [19:05] well the thing is kile makes it very easy to generate pdf etc [19:05] Nick change: brklynRednek -> AnonRednek [19:05] oh yea. [19:05] i use vim.. because i have no interest in learning emacs at this point.. [19:05] and it is a very nice app [19:05] Kile is great, imho. Then again I have absolutely no intent of dropping kde [19:05] at least, not at present.. [19:05] I've tried learning emacs but... [19:06] I don't even install package series ee/ [19:06] s/ee/e/ [19:06] what is more closely related to groff and troff ? [19:06] KDE: 3.5.10 -- Remote Desktop Connection: 3.5.10 [19:06] I always get fed up and go back to vim [19:06] I spend less and less time on linux, vi is everywhere. [19:06] straterra: 3.5.10, what comes w/ slack 12.2 [19:07] i use emacs os [19:07] eviljames, wait until they bring out vimail [19:07] virssi [19:07] heh [19:07] i've been using cygwin vim on windows servers but I am considering ditching cygwin [19:07] I used to consider it a VIrus... [19:07] But then I got the hang of it. [19:07] then it will be notepad.exe or vim on my Linux box [19:07] i'm using parellels.. [19:07] Action: eviljames failed on that one. sorry all. [19:08] from a macbook air [19:08] i like to switch to my slackware box , it makes me feel more calm.. [19:08] pi31415: On linux, not CLI = Kate for me. [19:08] cadmium: slack w/in parallels? [19:08] Action: Necos points eviljames to the nearest comedy clinic [19:08] yea pi31415 [19:09] Necos: Thanks dude, I need it. [19:10] my slack desktop at work runs on a nice PC, but it has an historic 9gb 10k SCSI drive [19:10] i noticed >.> [19:10] pi31415, there is a win version of vim [19:10] or perhaps gvim [19:11] pi31415: the kde4 version is LOTS LOTS LOTS nicer [19:11] a lot of my krdc issues were fixed in it [19:12] straterra: did you have issues with krdc hanging on connect? [19:12] straterra: the kde4 version of krdc? [19:12] eviljames: correct [19:12] pi31415: oh god yes..all the time [19:12] ahh, agreed. [19:12] It would just sit there with the little connecting screen [19:12] straterra: OK, thank you for the advice. I will try upgrading to kde4 one of these days. [19:12] any of you use bluetooth on slackware? [19:12] sometimes itd take like 5 times to actually connect [19:13] that's pretty sad [19:13] i dont' know what video card to select in the /etc/vga/libvga.config for svgalib configuration [19:13] krdc? what's that do? [19:13] Necos: it logs into windows servers [19:13] remote desktop [19:13] rdc/vnc front end [19:13] cadmium, what sort of card do you have? [19:14] i'm using parellels on a macbook air [19:14] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:14] volkerdi (i=3321@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] actually I've found best results with VESA [19:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-70-171.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-70-39.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] that should work for most [19:16] when i use VESA .. i just get some wierd red dots.. and the pgroam halts.. [19:16] oh, rdesktop? [19:17] why not just use rdesktop? >.> [19:17] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Success [19:17] i install vnc on windows server anyhow [19:17] like, /var/log/packages/rdesktop-1.6.0-i486-1 [19:17] but that was prior to using rdesktop [19:18] vnc has really bad security tho... [19:18] i don't even use windows for anything anymore accept to get contacts from my old outlook express.. [19:19] If that's all you need why don't you just get them all at once? [19:19] jiraia (n=Jiraia@189.59.94.3) joined ##slackware. [19:19] ding ding ding.. what do we have for him johnny ?! =) [19:19] cadmium, you might have luck asking on links mailing list [19:20] okies.. typically i had not found alot on svga .. is there a software i can use for the mailing list ? [19:20] rhater than get it in via mail [19:21] it's email only afaik, although they might have an archive on website [19:21] well that is why it is called "A Mailing List" ( but you can usualy browse most ML with your favorite browser ) [19:21] i'm on a roll now [19:22] i know but.. getting it via mail just sucks [19:22] but but [19:22] why? [19:22] and going through the archeives when you find it on a website [19:22] because you want to look through it like a newsgroup [19:22] which email client do you use? [19:22] for newsgroups ? [19:22] then you are SOL ( but this IS opensource and someone may have a ap to do just that ) [19:23] Action: dtanner pokes cadmium in the eyeballs [19:23] tinel (i=oh@86.121.135.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] i can not accept the quest [19:24] Wagner (n=Wagner@201.78.82.1) joined ##slackware. [19:24] the quest for fire? [19:24] good evening [19:24] hello Wagner [19:24] there are plenty of ML-archives that are web-based [19:24] ( but you can usualy browse most ML with your favorite browser ) [19:24] right.. [19:24] could you help me? [19:24] as i mentioned earlier [19:25] ask a question Wagner [19:25] my system is showing that error [19:25] thats funny [19:25] wtf do you mean? [19:25] Kernel Panic - not syncing : VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block (3,1) [19:25] i received an error too.. [19:25] i was re-iterating what you said dtanner =p [19:25] terminal_xxx (n=terminal@115.75.30.172) joined ##slackware. [19:25] i hate that error [19:25] seriously [19:26] Necos: i know =) [19:26] Wagner: Looks like you need to fix /etc/fstab [19:26] i'v had back luck with that error [19:26] and/or your boot properties [19:26] or /etc/lilo.conf [19:26] on grounds that it is probably looking for /dev/hda1 when the driver is representing it as /dev/sda1 [19:26] or equivalent. [19:26] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [19:26] how do I fix this? [19:26] i was saying "wtf" when wagner said FIRST < Wagner> my system is showing that error .. before he showed the error [19:26] did you replace the drive or something ? [19:26] dtanner: You mean ... that's not enough information? WTF kind of tech support is this?! [19:27] hehe [19:27] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.250) joined ##slackware. [19:28] hehe [19:28] hehe [19:28] hahaha [19:28] Wagner: more info .. like 1) are you trying to use initrd? 2) has it booted fine before? and if so what have you done? 3) anything more would help us help YOU. [19:28] damn - a laughing virus [19:28] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:28] put that in the symantec archives =p [19:28] I will try to modify the fstab to see if the right [19:29] y0 dtanner, how are you? [19:29] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Reconnecting" [19:29] Wagner: it would be easiest if you just told us what you have changed from when it worked, until when it didn't. [19:29] what the, I didn't type that again. :P [19:29] firebird619: sup matey? =) . doing good here. thanks. yoruself? [19:29] firebird619, long time no see [19:29] dtanner: doing excellent, thanks. My Internet connection sucks lately. [19:30] dive: my connection went out, so now my fire|bird nick is locked and I have to ghost and release it. :P [19:30] i hate it when that happens firebird619. but i can not comlain at ALL concerning my AT&T DSL here. it has never blinked in over a year. [19:30] yeah [19:30] hahaha [19:30] good thing i run Linux so i wont catch any viruses [19:30] dtanner: yeah, it's cable here, and lately, it SUCKS. [19:30] Necos, we finished that one [19:30] goes out quite abit. [19:30] terminal_xxx (n=terminal@115.75.30.172) left irc: "Leaving" [19:30] which one dive? [19:31] hohoho [19:31] firebird619: i have never had any luck with cable being stable... for me anyways. must be the area here with shotty equipment or something. [19:31] could be a bad spot in the line [19:31] Nick change: firebird619 -> fire|bird [19:31] Action: Necos stabs dive [19:31] right, time to get some fragging done [19:31] dtanner: I've had the opposite. My cable modem hasn't had any downtime in the last 18 months or so, afaict. Never seems to slow down/get throttled either.. 25MB constant. [19:31] dtanner: yeah, dsl isn't offered here. [19:32] Action: dtanner stabs Necos [ for the hell of it ] [19:32] when i try to run an svgalib program i get svgalib: cannot open dev svga [19:32] [19:32] before the problem happens I did some modifications in the fstab and lilo.conf but after that the system functioned normally, never move the initrd [19:32] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-165-146.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:32] so you edited fstab and lilo.conf and then the problem started? are you sure you are telling the truth that it worked fine after the changes you made and now all of a sudden you get that error out of nowhere? [19:33] Wagner: ^^ [19:33] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Action: Necos goes and lays down [in bed] [19:33] i'm guessing you haven't rebooted since making those changes Wagner [19:33] or you haven't ran lilo.conf Wagner... and what thrice` said [19:33] [19:33] previously noticed that the partitions were as / dev / hdcx when I put the cd, mount the partition and use the chroot, I did the fdisk-l showed as / dev / hdax [19:34] other_rafa (n=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [19:34] stop that friggin bold I man, control your client =) [19:34] lol [19:34] dtanner: I'll bet you $20 right now that Wagner is pumping his words into google translate and doing some copy pasta. [19:34] so now chroot is onvolved and a cd [19:34] is involved* [19:35] eviljames: probably :) [19:35] I like the copy pasta alfredo [19:35] volkerdi: wow, we have a lot in common! [19:35] =) [19:35] i am translating in the google translate [19:36] hehe [19:36] i dont speak very good in english [19:36] "I" see [19:36] np , we can tolerate the friggin I for a bit in that case [19:36] eviljames: You'd be $20 richer, but dtanner didn't take the bet. :P [19:36] Wagner: Do not worry about that. It is working well enough. [19:36] Wagner: No complaint, just explaining to dtanner why the I was there. [19:36] Action: dtanner takes the bet post-partum [19:37] speaking of foreign languages, Rosetta Stone filed a suit against Google, assuming it is with google translate since that seems to be the only thing google has to offer as far as language tools [19:37] i see volkerdi [19:37] dtanner: put it into the seventakeone jar for studios' hosting. :P [19:37] will do [19:37] haha, good idea eviljames [19:37] RipVanWinkle: nah, they are mad that searching for "rosettastone" brings up targeted ads for their competition [19:38] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [19:38] eviljames: well i am paid up for a year. [19:38] Patrick Volkerding be? [19:38] but I will take the cash [19:38] Wagner: yes [19:38] bah, Rosetta stone will lose that one, no law against that [19:40] jiraia (n=Jiraia@189.59.94.3) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:40] volkerdi: cheers for FF3.5. I'm following that bug against libsafe closely (pedro _at_ mozilla.com here) [19:41] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:41] The fix there might be to move libsafe into /pasture. It's seen no upstream activity since 2001. [19:41] volkerdi [19:41] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] I have a doubt [19:42] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:42] supergear_ (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [19:42] Wagner [19:42] In my experience, libsafe always broke a few things here and there. [19:42] still, it's worring that ff may be considered "unsafe", even on those conditions [19:43] it's important for us to figure out the reason. But yeah, if ff is not the only problematic case, makes sense [19:43] Wagner's music is better than it sounds. --Mark Twain [19:43] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:43] drol_ (n=andrew@144.38.70.31) left irc: "leaving" [19:43] It could possibly be a "buffer overflow" that's needed for the code to work correctly. [19:44] If so, odds are good that it's nothing to do with user-specified data and is harmless but a little bit sloppy. [19:44] Worth trying to chase with valgrind or the like, though. [19:44] volkerdi my lilo return this message warning '/proc/partitions' does not exist, disk scan bypassed [19:44] Good evening Mr.Volkerdi! [19:44] anyway, libsafe should not put ff into a thread lock state [19:45] if something was wrong, should kill it [19:45] anyway, I won't be the one that'll fix it :) [19:45] thanks again [19:45] sure [19:46] Wagner: I'm guessing you used "lilo -r /mnt" from an install disc, or something? [19:46] Wagner, you broke something. What was it? [19:46] I am not able start my system [19:46] Wagner, modprobe dm-mod (maybe) [19:46] proc + dev need to be mounted to the chroot [19:47] mount --bind would work, iirc. [19:47] thrice`: /proc, /sys, and if they are mounted already it's better to bind to the existing mounts [19:47] eviljames: bingo [19:47] I have a question about the kernel again. I hope you can all deal with my n00b ponderings. [19:48] volkerdi, you? n00b? [19:48] There's always more to be clueless about... trust me. [19:48] always [19:49] heh [19:49] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:49] volkerdi: as long as you read the channel guidelines... you may not know, but slackware users are a bunch of sounazis [19:49] [19:49] Patrick I used the system two days ago and was normal, two friends came here and use my pc which has dual boot with Windows [19:49] pesquisar [19:49] A general question about the kernel. [19:49] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.250) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:49] volkerdi: That's a good quote. Every time I learn something I Find 2 more things that I'm clueless about.. [19:49] s/sounazis/soupnazis/ [19:50] So, in 2.6.29.x, the Intel i915 driver has a bug in GEM that can cause a page preload to walk one frame past the end of the AGP aperture. This can hang the machine hard. [19:50] ouch. [19:50] I have a patch extracted by reading the 2.6.30(.x) sources. [19:50] using Windows rebooted the system while it was in use, I believe that since it has the problem, it could happen? [19:50] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:51] volkerdi: By chance, did that leave the user interface totally bunged while still keeping the underlying system running (ie: ssh to the machine works) ? [19:51] should not harm linux since it was not mounted while in windows Wagner [19:51] Also, I found while reading another nifty trick -- i915.modeset=1 will turn on KMS in a kernel compiled to not use it. Handy. [19:51] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:51] volkerdi: isn't that only 965 chips using UXA (which, KMS enables I suppose) [19:51] eviljames: No, I believe it toasts the machine entirely, but I have not had it happen here. I've only fielded the reports. [19:52] volkerdi: Ah, well, that was the lockup I was facing against.. limited testing with intel-2.7.9.99... from your packages hasn't yielded the same response. [19:52] thrice`: I'm not sure. Depending on the Intel driver you use, UXA might be all there is. That's how the latest beta driver is, with or without KMS. [19:53] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:53] I guess that certain Intel wifi chipsets also need 2.6.30+, or they hang often. This from rworkman. [19:53] volkerdi, have to love the linux kernel tunables :) [19:53] someone help me? [19:54] so, the question is update vs. patch? :) [19:54] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) left irc: Client Quit [19:54] And I've also been told that the dri version in 2.6.29.x will be unsuitable going forward, and that ATI driver flat out don't work with it already. [19:54] Wagner: LOTS of people answered you ... where were you? [19:54] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.73.228) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:54] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [19:55] here rob0 [19:55] On the flip side, 2.6.30.x exposes an issue where loading the kernel+initrd might overflow "low" (< 15MB) RAM and cause a boot failure. "large-memory" in lilo.conf helps, but won't work with a pre-2001 BIOS. [19:55] Nick change: supergear_ -> Hakudoshi [19:55] volkerdi: can you trim the kernel a bit? [19:56] So yes -- the question is, at this late stage in the game, is a non-optimal but fairly tested 2.6.29.x better, or a more unknown (and still non-optimal) 2.6.30.x? Multiple choice. Can't have both. [19:56] XGizzmo: Hard to do in the -huge- one. [19:56] a .30 in testing/ ? [19:56] extra/? [19:56] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] I think thrice` is on the right path. [19:56] I could see providing sources and sample .configs in /testing for 2.6.30.1 if 2.6.29.6 were going to be the production kernel. [19:56] what might be the problems with .30? [19:57] Can the i915 users boot .29.x with that boot parameter? [19:57] If .29 is well tested and certainly works, it should be the one.. but this is a bad period of flux for the kernel it seems. [19:57] Camarade_Tux: I'm only aware of the boot RAM issue, and it seems to affect only x86_64, with large-memory in lilo.conf fixing it. [19:57] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:57] fung (n=fung@99-190-133-111.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:57] It's been a bad period of flux for _everything_ [19:57] volkerdi, you still think pam is unsuitable for production usage? [19:58] Did I say that? [19:58] indeed. [19:58] You did, and it was seconded. Motion carries. [19:58] Action: eviljames bangs a gavel [19:58] being on intel, my vote is 2.6.30.x :( [19:58] since my chipset (965) has a bad KMS bug with 2.6.29.x, fixed in 30 [19:58] i seem to recall pam was not included because of it's security issues back when it was buggy as hell [19:59] I think I'd said, at one point, that PAM was "non-standard". Probably I said that back when more things needed to be patched for PAM than patched because there was no PAM. Now, it's probably a toss up. [19:59] [19:59] I would like to learn to solve the problem I think I will have to content myself to format my partition and losing all further that Patrick is here rodeo several forums to seek information and can not resolve, moved from distribution to develop my content in the Linux section to arrive at the Patrick [19:59] And yeah, we got to sit out of a dozen or more major holes because we didn't have PAM. It's settled down, though. [20:00] I think I like what I'm hearing about this [20:00] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [20:00] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [20:00] woot, I finally managed to get one ok line out of a 1000-lines C file :) [20:00] bison Wagner.y [20:00] then will we ever have pam in slack? audit relies on it to the point it doesnt work without it, not to mention another load of security enhances like selinux and biometric authentication [20:00] volkerdi: not experiencing it myself but that's surely because I configure my own kernel [20:00] I did not understand Patrick [20:01] Swiss Cheese Authentication Modules :) [20:01] I did not understand Wagner. That's why I need to compile a Wagner parser. ;-) [20:01] volkerdi: I think I would stick to the tested kernel. [20:01] my vote is a patched 2.6.29.x with 2.6.30.x in extra/ or testing/ [20:01] Tough call, isn't it? [20:01] I'd rather not patch the kernel. [20:01] understood [20:02] Most slackware users should be able to update their kernel if need be. [20:02] otoh, it sucks to ship something that is known to be broken for some users, and they might not be experienced users [20:03] I think it is good to consider not only the release day, but 6 months ahead too [20:03] I had no problem here producing a 2.6.30.1 test kernel by simply copying a 2.6.29.6 .config into place, running "make menuconfig" and exiting, saving the new .config. The result worked fine. [20:03] "I tried Slackware and it was broken!" [20:03] Patrick what your email? [20:03] yes, and a LOT of slackware users have pre-2001 machines [20:03] rob0: But it is broken either way. [20:04] That issue is not just a 2.6.30 issue. It's a kernel-getting-too-big issue. Eventually, those P2 and earlier machines just won't be able to boot a usable kernel. [20:04] dtanner, really? i think it's less and less common these days, if only because of power efficiency [20:04] XGizzmo: but 2.6.29.x is well tested. [20:04] 2.6.30.x works fine too [20:04] Linus doe his homework :) [20:04] dtanner: Yeah thats why I said to stick with it. [20:05] volkerdi: why not 2.6.29.x to boot, and immediately update it in -current ? [20:05] er, to release [20:05] I've personally had few problems here with either kernel. I'm running 2.6.29.5 on a laptop with new X and Intel graphics and it's working great now that I don't have a buggy version of Mesa. [20:05] thrice`: that's a thought [20:05] phunkedelik (n=phunkede@207.229.35.242) joined ##slackware. [20:05] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.205) left irc: "Leaving." [20:05] Speaking of which, the Mesa in /testing seems good. But I'm hesitant to move it over this late. [20:05] bah, too tired to debate so I'll only ask an unrelated question : has anyone experienced weird problems when doing "make install" for libdrm when --libdir=/usr/lib64, make install would complain it can only install to a directory that ends with /usr/lib64/lib (actually that is known, but has anyone a fix or a hint ? ;) ) [20:05] Action: nachox has to agree with thrice`, 2.6.29 is quite a stable kernel [20:06] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:06] oh, /me forgot to try that mesa... wait I'm using the nvidia blob anyway, I need to sleep (although it might be good to have when I finally get nouveau too) [20:06] Action: rob0 has to disagree ... just to be disagreeable! [20:07] rob0: you always disagree [20:07] i'd keep the new mesa in testing and print a big sign telling users it's there for them if they want it, same with the new kernel [20:07] thumbs: I do not! [20:07] the problem with mesa is that devs moved on to 7.5 and left 7.4 half-assed :> [20:07] X was hard locking my laptop but the mesa downgrade seems to have fixed that. [20:08] 2.6.30 supposed to have better xen support... [20:08] Wagner (n=Wagner@201.78.82.1) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] whats wrong with 2.6.30.X? [20:08] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:08] hi all [20:08] aceofspades19: nothing [20:09] Dominian, dont you have to patch the kernel to get xen working? kvm is the thing now :P [20:09] there is a weird booting bug [20:09] nachox: nope.. xen virtualization is in the latest kernels [20:09] framework changed, but its there [20:09] thrice`: can you explain a bit? [20:10] rob0: you just did again [20:10] that is interesting, i remember there were some devs that were hesitant to merge it [20:10] pat mentioned it earlier; some systems need a "large-memory" option to lilo, which doesn't work on older bios versoins (pre 2001) [20:10] hmmm [20:11] http://forum.soft32.com/linux/initramfs-unpacking-failed-junk-compressed-archive-ftopict486363.html [20:11] can't it be easily made conditional of $ARCH? [20:11] thrice`, do bios publish their build date in a readable consistent form? [20:12] The BIOS date can be gathered from dmidecode [20:12] maybe we could patch the lilo part of the installer to add that if the bios are say less than 5 years ago [20:12] *old [20:12] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [20:12] volkerdi: thanks [20:12] nachox: I run 2.6.27.10 on this VPS i'm on.. its tgot xen in it [20:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] However... 32-bit moves are a fairly advanced feature, and the implementation is broken even in some new BIOSes. [20:13] The 15 meg kernel problem seems to only affect x86_64 right now. So maybe have lilo detect if it is running an x86_64 kernel and add the large-memory option. [20:13] volkerdi, does grub have the same problem? [20:13] XGizzmo: That might end up being the plan. Even if 2.6.29.x is the ship kernel, liloconfig should be prepared to do the right thing for when a newer kernel is installed. [20:13] grub has 10 more of its own :) [20:13] woh! not to shabby cam in here looking for Ron after being on fB and then look who I find here [20:14] Most x86_64 would be newer than 2001 I would think. [20:14] thumbs: I agree. [20:14] Yeah, grub has a fair number of problems. [20:14] Like its unmaintained :P [20:14] damn kids and their x86_64 machines [20:14] It also breaks every time the kernel tweaks a filesystem. [20:15] rob0: :( [20:15] XGizzmo, it is not unmantained, devs refuse to accept patches, because it's "stable" :P [20:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:15] nachox: stable means doesn't build on gcc4, boot new FS's, build on 64-bit? :) [20:15] of course [20:17] reminds me ubuntu is switching to grub2 :D [20:18] talk about not production ready [20:18] what are the changes in grub2? [20:18] everything [20:18] Camarade_Tux: so your saying grub2 is going to break in an update like everything else in ubuntu [20:18] volkerdi: Hello! I SlaAkware-user since Slackware-12. It works fine anytime. I would like to say a huge Thank you and the whole team! [20:19] aceofspades19: hmmm, yes ;p [20:19] I really like lilo, because all it does is load blocks ignoring the filesystem completely. IMHO, that's what a bootloader should do. [20:20] grub2 wasn't very stable/usable a few months ago, I don't think it has improved enough to be used on a large scale ;) [20:20] well, if mr. shuttleworth helps out, perhaps :) [20:20] volkerdi: especially since ext4 may still change a bit [20:20] In the old days we used to load the blocks by ourselves and we liked it [20:21] now get off my lawn [20:21] my take on that was using lilo all the time you possibly take chances destroying your bootsector causing you to have to reboot using some alternate method ultimately confusing new users more [20:21] the cost of that is flexibility, but i think it's ok, it's a bootloader after all [20:21] hardware failure / partial writes [20:21] agreed [20:22] y mean, lilo can even boot from a recently deleted kernel :P [20:22] heh [20:22] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [20:22] stupid care bear dvd won't copy.. argh [20:22] nachox: of course, it has a flux capacitor built into it [20:23] what i like about lilo is it wont overwrite the mbr unless lilo.conf is correct [20:23] my only wish with lilo is to be able to edit the command-line at boot [20:23] nachox: and a delorean [20:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.215.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:23] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:24] RipVanWinkle, theoretically, you can boot using grub even if your menu.lst has garbage with some manual intervention [20:24] yes [20:24] that is a feature i would like to see implemnted in lilo [20:24] bah, grub is going to support or already support lua as a scripting language and their wiki page about that shows code about the hanoi towers... should be very useful for a boot manager :D [20:24] aceofspades19, a really crappy delorean, overwrite any of the kernel's sector and you'll really need the train and the color coded logs to start linux [20:25] heh [20:25] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.209) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Camarade_Tux: pretty soon we are going to have the os in a bootloader [20:25] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [20:26] volkerdi: so, did we aide at all in your decision, or just further complicate it? :) [20:26] phunkedelik: tried to find some reference doc about grub2 vs grub and couldn't find much, basically grub2 will have shinier graphics and more boot methods (network/pxe), and I dunno [20:26] thrice`: I'm not sure ;-) [20:26] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1567 [20:26] Nick change: nod_ -> nod [20:26] That's all I have to say [20:26] Camarade_Tux: isn't the bios supposed to facilitate booting from the network, not the boot loader [20:26] aceofspades19: yeah, I heard they were also going to add elisp and emacs to grub2 [20:27] Camarade_Tux: now don't be hated on my emacs :p [20:27] aceofspades19: but they add that to grub2's features ;) [20:27] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:27] aceofspades19: emacs is great, you don't have to move to get your coffee ;p [20:27] I'll have to think about it some more. Meanwhile, I think I'll go back to prepping 2.6.29.6 updates. [20:27] :q [20:27] oops :D [20:27] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:28] Have a good evening (or $TIME)... see you again soon [20:28] er.. wth... [20:28] take care Pat [20:28] Action: Dominian forgot about this quote: http://noobfarm.org/?id=683 [20:28] later pat, thanks for the many good slackware release and those to come [20:28] grub2 has already been being used for a long time [20:28] have fun pat [20:28] apparently volkerdi and fred have some 'splainin' to do [20:28] whut? [20:28] http://noobfarm.org/?id=683 [20:28] Looosey! [20:28] fred: you weren't supposed to talk about "lemon club" [20:29] Fred and Ethyl. [20:29] :( [20:29] hahaha [20:29] Camarade_Tux: well then you would have to lose concentration on your code if you had to get up to get your coffwe [20:29] First rule of Lemon Club... Don't talk about lemon club! [20:29] coffee* [20:29] Action: volkerdi runs [20:29] volkerdi (i=3321@connie.slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:29] Action: fred returns to patching kstyle followed by sleep [20:29] hes fast [20:29] damn he left [20:29] http://noobfarm.org/?id=114 [20:30] had one more for him ;) [20:30] Dominian, noobfarm is a powerful weapon :P [20:30] yes... yes it is [20:30] its almost "blackmail" farm [20:31] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:31] aceofspades19: my hands/fingers are not agile enough for emacs [20:31] aceofspades19: plus vim's logic suits me more [20:32] Dominian, please register that domain and point to noobfarm, you might add a black background there [20:32] Camarade_Tux: you just need a really strong pinky finger [20:32] ... need... sleep... [20:32] if you use screen, you've used the emacs-style =p [20:32] sleep is for the weak [20:32] aceofspades19: on a previous laptop, the Ctrl key was a bit more on the right than it ought to be, ^X was painful [20:32] hahaha [20:33] nachox: no more money! [20:33] I blew what I had on a linode :P [20:33] Camarade_Tux: thats why I have my nice logitech keyboard :p [20:33] aceofspades19: and my pinky definitely hurts/isn't strong enough [20:33] Necos: I use screen, and that's all the key combos I can handle; thus, I use vim [20:33] so I could have an actual dedicated email server [20:33] aceofspades19: laptop here, I don't really choose (but my current keyboard is good) [20:33] IBM MODEL M, MAN! [20:33] Action: Camarade_Tux still waits for Dominian to register boobfarm.org [20:33] Camarade_Tux: I have a laptop, but I use my keyboard with it [20:33] Camarade_Tux: never gonna happen [20:33] Dominian, on what? [20:34] Dominian: ='( [20:34] 1) waste of my time 2) wife would make sure I would die [20:34] nachox: linode.com.. a VPS [20:34] my wrists used to hurt a lot if I typed on my laptop keyboard for too long [20:34] aceofspades19: I have a laptop and wouldn't be able to carry a keyboard with it ;) [20:34] nachox: the one I have through fuzz is good, but the company is still in "flux".. linode.com is stable.. good pricing.. great support. [20:34] dchmelik: I have 1.99 IBM MODEL M ;) [20:34] nachox: plus.. I've been debating opening up slackadelic.com/noobfarm.org email accounts for like $1 a month or something [20:35] Camarade_Tux: well you just use the keyboard when you are at your desk because thats where most people use the keyboard the most [20:35] Dominian: and shell? [20:35] nachox: not sure how feasible it is.. but its worth a shot [20:35] Camarade_Tux: nah.. just an email account.. no shells [20:35] this linode doesn't take grsecurity enabled kernels very well :p [20:35] I see ;p [20:35] aceofspades19: and on my laps too ;) [20:36] Camarade_Tux: good luck having children :p [20:36] aceofspades19: but hopefully I code in ocaml and it isn't a very verbose language, it's actually really concise ;) [20:36] Camarade_Tux: what do you mean you have 1.99 model M? [20:36] veritos_ (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:37] aceofspades19: I don't put it on my balls, I put it further away ;) [20:37] dchmelik: 1 + 0.99 (one key missing) [20:37] o0 [20:37] Camarade_Tux: isn't ocaml one of those funny functional languages? [20:37] Dominian, why did you need linode? [20:37] dive: one of your balls is smaller than the other? :o [20:37] lol [20:37] aceofspades19: it is :) [20:37] wot [20:37] brb [20:38] I've got a package whose doinst.sh downloads a bunch of files not in the .tgz (licensing reasons). Is it acceptable for a package to modify its own list of package-contained files so that removepkg will grab them? [20:38] aceofspades19: it's not purely-functional though, and it's multi-paradigme : functional, imperative, object-oriented :) [20:38] veritos_: you could make another package with only the additional files [20:38] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:235) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Camarade_Tux, and then install it from the doinst.sh? [20:39] nachox: Email = important The VPS I have through fuzz right now.. well the company is still in flux.. so not sure what'sgoing to happen to it.. linode is kind of a trial run as well.. may open up to cheap email hosting or something... plus got a possible business client that needs a good dedicated host... [20:39] is that frowned upon? [20:39] unusual [20:39] Camarade_Tux: I see [20:39] I has a sb once that wgetted the source [20:40] s/has/had [20:40] I think I should look that language up [20:40] dive: I liked the uncorrected sentence better :) [20:40] yeah [20:40] we need an international speak like a cat day [20:41] and it will be called slac ;) [20:41] or slacday [20:41] doh! [20:41] Dominian, check Joyent, it uses solaris zones, it might suit you better, i dont know how cheap it is though [20:41] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-91-78.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:41] veritos_: no, install and remove it separately ;) [20:42] don't invest in anything solaris, they've got a foot in the grave :> [20:42] alisonken1church, if we do that on september 20th it will be fun [20:42] nachox: pricing sucks :P [20:42] linode is nice.. it really is [20:42] Nick change: welanx2 -> welanX [20:43] aceofspades19: I can only encourage you to try out ocaml, and if you have questions, ask #ocaml or me :) [20:43] Camarade_Tux: gotcha [20:43] dive: why does 9/20 tickle the brain? [20:43] going to bed now, night everybody :) [20:43] (just got up) [20:43] `night [20:43] day after speak like a prat day [20:43] ah [20:43] er.. pirate [20:44] the uninitiated will be more confused than normal [20:45] veritos_ (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:46] does anyone have some RDRAM PC600 or PC800? [20:46] Dominian, do they provide some kind of resources guarantee? bandwidth and suck? [20:47] *such [20:47] my fingers refuse to cooperate today [20:50] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-10-11-20.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:52] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:54] AnonRednek (n=yosi@72.44.171.82) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:55] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.209) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:56] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-70-39.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:56] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-204.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] nachox: 99.9% SLA [20:56] or they refund you the downtime [20:57] no contracts either.. if you get an annual linode.. like I did.. and use it for 3 months and cancel.. they give you the rest of the money back [20:57] Dominian, yes, but do they guarantee how many processing power and ram you get allocated? [20:58] yes [20:59] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-155-252.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:01] Dominian, that is the standard refunding policy i believe [21:01] nachox: yeah [21:01] choice of data centers [21:02] right now mine is ind dallas [21:02] debating moving it to newark [21:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:05] tangibledaydream (n=daydream@c-69-143-67-38.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] paissad (n=paissad@137.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] antiwire, no sorry i stepped out of 1999 [21:05] hi everybody ! [21:05] what? [21:05] rdram [21:05] oh the RDRAM [21:05] is there anyway to which application is using the swap ? [21:06] paissad : you're missing a verb there [21:06] to know ? [21:06] :-P [21:06] antiwire: I might have some at work.. why? [21:07] paissad: top [21:07] I have this Intel D850MV motherboard and it's an OK system...even though it has one of those ancient P4s. [21:07] only major issue is that it only had 256MB of ram [21:07] had/has [21:08] Dominian, ok thanks [21:08] hi all [21:09] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Nonop (n=a@190.50.45.236) joined ##slackware. [21:11] anyone tried freearc? [21:12] http://freearc.org [21:13] negative [21:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [21:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] uhh "Typically, FreeArc works 1.5-3 times faster than best programs in each compression class (ccm, 7-zip, rar, uharc -mz, pkzip) " [21:16] those are "the best" apparently? [21:16] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Dominian: know any simple php or perl billing systems? [21:17] acidchild: good question [21:18] I was just researching some the other day [21:18] However, did find anything I liked... [21:18] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:18] didn't [21:18] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:19] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [21:19] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.209) joined ##slackware. [21:19] shame :/ [21:20] is there a bot here i can ask questions in relation to packages? [21:20] nope. [21:20] nope, just us [21:20] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:20] hmm damn [21:20] nvm then [21:20] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:20] what do you mean by "packages?" [21:20] errr program titles [21:21] what is your exact question? :) [21:21] CcSsNET: slackbuilds.org ? [21:21] he's probably expecting something like #debian's dpkg bot thing [21:21] jgor (i=jgor@r74-192-150-204.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:21] jgor (i=jgor@r74-192-150-204.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Nonop (n=a@190.50.45.236) left ##slackware. [21:21] antiwire nah i was hoping more like sourcemages .what .from .version/versions [21:21] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:22] but manually searching the web works to i guess [21:22] for something on your system? [21:22] i'm kinda sad... [21:22] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] thrice' /part is missing u add the y [21:22] gtl: is it the kind of sadness where you're here and the wife is 2 states away on your anniversary? [21:23] CcSsNET: wtf are you talking about? [21:23] nvm [21:23] if you want to find out which package provides a file on your system, query /var/log/packages/ [21:23] gtl: you would not know what 'sad' is if you did not know what 'happy' is :) [21:23] alisonken1church, nope... your sadness is deeper than mine [21:24] gnubien, true [21:24] Invertigo (n=Invertig@pool-71-115-170-223.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/13/wechoosethemoon_website_launch/ <-- el reg story on the anniversary of apollo 11, they're recreating a blow-by-blow realtime simulation that you can follow on the web/twitter [21:27] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] aporio (n=aporio@p4FE8BA15.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@72.44.171.82) joined ##slackware. [21:28] dang it something took up all my '/' space and I cannot download anything [21:28] du -sh /tmp :> [21:28] there was nothing in tmp [21:28] du -sh /pr0n0 [21:28] dchmelik ncdu [21:29] I-and-I do not have such a folder, but I will try 'ncdu.' [21:29] install it and run it on /var [21:29] duh! the apollo 11 site "requires flash player 10" [21:29] I think it is probably BOINC that is taking up all the space [21:30] except it is supposed to leave some space [21:30] dchmelik: don't use /tmp for download - and have /home on a separate partition [21:30] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [21:30] hi, i'm using sw 11 and cannot find /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap (cannot even grep a file that calls loadkeys) - is it somehow obsolete? i'd like to change my keymap [21:30] I have what I use for home on a separate partition [21:31] I try to set my programs to use ~/download as the download folder since I usually limit the size of / [21:32] I cannot build ncdu because I have no space left on device [21:32] I will do it in usr [21:32] does not work there either [21:33] sounds like you should have made bigger disk partitions before installing slack [21:33] '/' is 4 Gb and I did not even install the whole DVD [21:33] I only installed what I needed [21:34] dchmelik: where's your second partition at? [21:34] (non-swap) [21:34] which 2nd partition? [21:34] I have usr and root [21:35] usr is the 2nd [21:35] it sounds like you only have one partition mounted, then - your second partition would be /usr if I read you correctly. what size is it? [21:35] usr is about 40 Gb [21:35] I have about 5 non-swap mounted [21:35] the other note would be make /usr/tmp, and "export TMP=/usr/tmp" before compiling again [21:36] or some other partition that's not part of root [21:36] I already have a usr/tmp [21:36] so I will try that [21:37] when I build ncdu it still says no space left on device [21:37] but df shows 12% of usr is used [21:37] need to free some space on /tmp [21:37] there is nothing in /tmp [21:38] but '/' (where 'tmp' is) us full [21:38] df is maily inode usage - not actual used space [21:38] but it says about 36Gb is available on usr [21:38] anyone know which driver to load to enable wireless on an ASUS EEE PC900 ? [21:39] egrub_ (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:40] ok - try 'du -sh /bin /boot /etc /home /lib /lib64 /opt /root /sbin /var' and see what comes up [21:40] (lib64 if running a 64-bit slamd64/slackware64 system) [21:41] yeah... I do not see what the point of putting root in there was... I have it separate [21:41] ok - then run du -sh on the root directories _excluding_ /dev /sys and /proc [21:42] ok... I did that and it seems it lists only 1505Mb [21:42] then I do not know what happened to that extra 2.5Gb.... [21:43] pastebin your /etc/fstab [21:43] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:43] just a minute [21:44] http://pastebin.com/d3dfa7499 [21:46] need help configuring sound output (microphone) [21:46] dchmelik: might want to trim your log files then (/var/log/syslog|messsages) - they can fill up as well [21:47] other than that - I'm out of ideas [21:49] gtl what kind of mic? internal,external,usb,bluetooth,headset? [21:49] Also, it is not going to be easy to configure your mic for sound output. [21:49] gnubien, headset, wired, non-bluetooth [21:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:49] I'll suggest, if no oen else has, to use the microphone for input. [21:49] other_rafa (n=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:49] gtl: ok, read this? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Record_from_mic [21:49] thanks, alisonken1church [21:50] I do not think I have much in the logs though [21:50] du already showed var to not be that big [21:51] the next q would be how are you building it? [21:51] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [21:52] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:52] were you asking me? [21:52] sorry - yes [21:52] on /usr/ncdu-1.5 [21:52] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:52] ./configure && make && make install [21:52] Nick change: egrub_ -> egrub [21:52] and configure says no more disk space or whatever [21:52] df still shows that is true [21:52] so I do not see why du showed something different [21:53] gnubien, thanks [21:53] it worked [21:53] It looks like I may just have to reinstall [21:54] slack 12.2 rc1, 3 dec 08, slack 12.2 10 dec 08....seven days... :D, i can feel 13... [21:54] can you pastebin the output of your configure? [21:54] gabriel_: hahah it's certainly close. [21:54] gabriel_: I would be more interested in 12.0 since 13.0 is more like a bigger difference than 12.2 was to 12.1 [21:55] gtl: tada! ;) [21:55] our benevolent dictator was here today discussing which kernel(s) to provide. [21:55] gnubien, ;) [21:55] dang - and I missed him:( [21:56] dchmelik: also, which directory are you in when you run configure for that program? [21:57] it is /usr/ncdu-1.5 [21:57] as I said [21:58] dchmelik: Why not use the SlackBuild? [21:58] dchmelik: try "cd /usr ; du -sh" and see how much is used on that partition [21:58] alisonken1church: yeah, I bet the convo is in my backlog though [21:58] du -h --max-depth=1 is better, I find. [21:58] eviljames: looking into my now [21:58] I did not know there was a slackbuild [21:58] aporio (n=aporio@p4FE8BA15.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:58] eviljames, what nickname, volkerdi? [21:59] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/ncdu/ [21:59] gabriel_: yep. [21:59] ok [21:59] hahah everybody /lastlog volkerdi [21:59] du shows what df shows: I am only using 4.5 of 40 Gb of /usr. I assume 'configure' needs space on '/' to build stuff. [22:00] dang again - my log is screwed because verizon keeps dropping the connection [22:00] this channel has public logs :) [22:00] dchmelik: it need /tmp [22:00] dchmelik: unless you type "TMP=/usr/tmp ./configure" [22:01] patrick comes here more often, I see. [22:01] XGizzmo and alisonken1church: I did type that TMP redefine in as you said to di. [22:01] I mean 'to do.' [22:01] if setting TMP and configure still uses /tmp, it needs a rewrite somewhere [22:02] nbuonanno (n=nbuonann@cpe-74-67-15-46.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:02] dchmelik: as suggested, you may want to try the slackbuild from slackbuilds.org [22:02] what needs a rewrite? [22:02] ok... the slackbuild, then. [22:02] the configure script/configure template [22:07] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "leaving" [22:08] ok, I tried the SlackBuild and it says the same thing [22:09] maybe I got a virus [22:09] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:10] is there anything I can delete in '/' [22:10] and then reinstall after I find out the problem? [22:11] don't think you have a virus, but you have to be _very_ careful about deleting stuff under / - otherwsie you can make it unstable and have to reinstall [22:12] can you pastebin the output of your configure run? [22:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:13] for ncdu? I will [22:13] there is no config.log [22:14] root@athenaion:/usr/ncdu# ./ncdu.SlackBuild [22:14] mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/tmp/package-ncdu': No space left on device [22:14] :p [22:14] how large is your harddrive? [22:14] 160 Gb [22:15] then empty some stuff [22:15] dchmelik: another thing - are you compiling as root or as user? if user, to you have write permission to /usr/tmp? [22:15] paissad (n=paissad@137.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:15] thrice`: you have not been paying attention. I did, and there was not much there to begin with. There is another problem [22:15] well, my output above on the SlackBuild's one line shows I am root [22:15] I have been paying attention :) [22:15] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.236) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:15] paissad (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] I don't see why you're wasting time trying to get a package installed [22:16] might want to export that variable [22:17] exactly, CmdLnKid... maybe I forgot to do that [22:17] dchmelik: what about /opt vbox and openoffice will install to opt and they both can hog up disk space [22:17] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:17] you've wasted an hour trying to get a tool installed that won't help you much more than du(1) [22:18] RipVanWinkle: my '/' is 4 Gb but du shows 1.5 Gb is used. Df shows it is all used. [22:18] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-23-1.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:18] thats weird, something is helterskelter [22:18] dchmelik: fsck FTW and reboot. [22:18] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-45.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:18] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:19] ok, agentc0re1 , I will just reboot and fsck '/' [22:19] thanks for the discussion on this, guys [22:19] Action: Dominian stifles his laughter... [22:19] I so read fsck as someting else [22:20] Dominian: :D heheh. [22:20] I literally laughed out loud [22:20] did you roll on the floor too? [22:20] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [22:21] agentc0re1: nah [22:21] bummer. [22:21] too much beer.. I'd never be able to get back up [22:21] lol [22:21] Yum.. beer is good. Drinking my homebrew right now. :D [22:21] dang - he left. I was going to comment that he had ext4 for / and ext2 for /gnu [22:21] I learned that mixing my first beer with my third beer = a really good beer. [22:22] did you just leapfrog the second beer? [22:22] 1-3rd, 2nd-4th sounds good to me [22:23] after that, 5+ works :) [22:23] (at least in my drinking days) [22:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [22:23] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:235) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:26] 2nd beer was a stout. not going to mix with that these light ales. [22:26] i see [22:28] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-19-232.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-23-1.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:29] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:33] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) left irc: "Saindo" [22:36] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Ok, I rebooted, which fscked my '/.' However, df still showed it as being full. I had to delete /var/log/* just to start rc.inet1 and KDE [22:37] it is like some mysterious thing is taking up more and more space in '/.' [22:38] dchmelik: what version of slackware are you running? [22:38] 13RC1 [22:38] 64-bit [22:38] yoy may want to boot the install cd and manually run fsck on all of the partitions [22:38] wait I might still be on 12.2-current [22:38] I guess I will try that... [22:39] well, ext4 still has a few bugs to work out as well [22:39] I do not think I am using ext4 [22:40] alisonken1church: which is amusing in and of itself [22:40] according to your pastebin, / ext4, /gnu ext3 [22:40] ok, I am using ext4 then, I forgot [22:41] I was going to install Hurd on /gnu [22:41] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.202.78.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] antiwire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU I think you'll enjoy this dude. Or anyone for that matter. [22:41] dchmelik: "du -sh / /tmp /var" [22:41] yep - / (ext4), /usr (ext4), /root (ext3), /gnu (ext2) [22:41] now I am getting du cannot access /proc [22:41] That's your split ? ^^ [22:42] a little hurd is good for you [22:42] rworkman: see http://pastebin.com/d3dfa7499 for his fstab [22:42] dchmelik: yea - reboot from the cd/dvd and run fsck on all of your partitions [22:43] You split up entirely the wrong stuff. No point in splitting /usr if you're not sharing it. [22:43] alright... I guess I put ext4 for the system ones just to test ext4 [22:43] you mean using usr on a multi-user system? [22:43] I want to see the output fo that "du -sh / tmp /var" first. [22:44] no - using /usr for multiple distributions [22:44] dchmelik: no, I mean "If you don't know what I'm talking about wrt that, you didn't need to split /usr out" [22:44] tmp: 60Kb, var 736 Mb. [22:44] I would have put /home as separate [22:44] I do not use home [22:44] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:44] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] except if I let some friends login to my box, and then I ln files to their dir.... [22:45] for comparison, my /var is 16MB [22:45] dchmelik: everyone uses home - it's a matter of _where_ home is [22:45] You must run as root all the time. [22:45] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] rworkman: most of the time [22:45] If that's the case, then I'm done with this. [22:45] dchmelik: failed first rule of *nix - never run as root except for administration purposes" [22:46] The filesystem fillage could be coming from literally *anywhere* - your "user" account can write everywhere. [22:46] I am not running an organization's computer--it is my own. I do not need another account except when it is better for security. [22:46] or administration ease. [22:46] abing (n=abing@218.94.136.179) joined ##slackware. [22:46] dchmelik: runnint as a user keeps you from stupid mistakes - doesn't matter if it's not an enterprise environment [22:46] like running my chat client as another user: that is about all [22:47] as for administration ease - look at windows for where that can get you [22:47] it also would make me have to login to a terminal every time I want to use root [22:47] nice I'm downloading it now [22:47] no - you just haven't learned how to use your grahpical environment - [22:47] I rarely make mistakes that make me afraid of using root [22:48] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:48] heh [22:48] antiwire: awesome. i'm only 10min in to it and so far so great! :D [22:48] all it takes is one time [22:48] well, KDE has a 'root terminal,' but you still have to login to it [22:48] so forget it [22:48] except your entire system being unbootable, that's just a trivial mistake ;) [22:48] yes it is a trivial mistake [22:48] because /root is on another partition so my data would not be affected [22:49] touchpad scrollbar doesnot work in slackware 12.2, how to? [22:49] dchmelik: your mixing things up - location doesn't matter when your logged in as root - or did you not read about exploits that can use your logged-in session? [22:49] Invertigo (n=Invertig@pool-71-115-170-223.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] alisonken1church: I may not be familiar with all of those [22:50] where are they going to get to the session from? [22:50] still sounds like a hardware problem to me, i'd fsck all partitions. If it is screwed up, then lesson learned about always being root. I would rather save myself by having to su to root than always be root and screw something up sooner.. Usually that happens to a lot of us by accident anyways, i mean we're only human right? [22:51] agentc0re1: speak for yourself, kthxbai. :P [22:51] yeah... but you said it is a hardware problem, so what does that have to do with root? [22:51] BP{k}: he _did_ say human :) [22:52] because root can screw with your hardware via /sys and /proc [22:52] among other things [22:52] root is not an AI [22:52] I do not get it [22:52] alisonken1church: good point. ;) [22:52] dchmelik: truer words you haven't spoken yet. [22:53] dchmelik: programs that call for system services are usually protected by not being root - as root, those same programs allow extra things to be done that are not normal and can screw with the hardware [22:53] interesting... [22:53] but it does not sound worse than DOS [22:53] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:54] as an older example - look what happened to crt monitors when the configuration file specified modes/frequencies that were out of range of the monitors - some literally smoked due to hardware failure [22:54] yeah... so if I want to run KDE as root should I set all the menu and menu bar programs to run as a user? [22:54] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:54] wait I would have to do more than that [22:54] I am willing to use a user account if it is not so restricted [22:55] kde is already setup to do what's proper [22:55] someone implied there is a way to login to a root terminal in it without having to login [22:55] dchmelik: define restricted? [22:55] (my previous statement is my main concern) [22:55] kdesu /bin/sh - [22:55] but that is not konsole or xterm [22:55] is it? [22:55] You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. [22:55] I meant a terminal program [22:56] there is also sudo that will allow users to gain a root console without a password - but again, you're missing the pont [22:56] dchmelik: do you normally use a terminal at all? [22:56] yes [22:56] why would you want to run kde as root and everything else as a user? why not run kde as a user and only the tools that require root, as root. LPSM [22:56] Then *what* is your argument? [22:56] I do enough compiling that I do not want to bother at having to be a user [22:56] Configure sudo to allow everything by your user account. Done. [22:57] rworkman: the argument is he wants security and safety without the inconvenience [22:57] Action: rworkman regularly uses "sudo -i" and "sudo su" [22:57] it is a wheel account [22:57] but I will look up what you mean [22:57] alisonken1church: based on what I've seen, he's going out of his way to avoid both. [22:58] I also thought when I compile something it is best to have the files owned by root [22:58] but if I do that with another account it will probably not allow the files to be used [22:59] What part of 'type "sudo su" or "sudo -i" from your existing terminal" is foreign? [22:59] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.200.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:59] rworkman: it is just too much of a bother [22:59] sigh [22:59] not everyone agrees that one should avoid root [23:00] rworkman: don't blow your stack [23:00] dchmelik: compiling programs as a user is encouraged so funny things don't happen to your system. making a package or installing a package as root may be required for proper file permissions and installing into system-wide areas [23:00] Not everyone agrees that being fucked in the ass with two baseball bats is bad. [23:00] well mostly I build packages or stuff that has to be installed root. whatever, rworkman, that is a different topic. [23:00] but try it with construction-grade baseball bats :) [23:01] colorful choice of words there rworkman [23:01] dchmelik: as you wish - it's *your* system. I'm done with this one. [23:01] panzer: I have my moments :) [23:01] you do. [23:01] and then you have other moments. I again thank you for Whore [23:02] I am interested in configuring sudo to allow an account to do everything, but unless it could also access code owned by root I think it might not be sufficient. [23:02] panzer: wmm - I must have missed that reference [23:02] alisonken1church: yea you did. [23:02] alisonken1church: that's the name of a machine of his :) [23:03] rworkman: ah. sounds like some of the names we have for systems at the office [23:03] well since my bosses don't mind I don't mind. [23:03] though Slut died. I am replacing with a E4300 with 8gig ram [23:03] dchmelik: see, this is why you shouldn't have been arguing with me about it. Perhaps it's *still* not the best solution for you, but um, that last comment makes it clear that you don't understnad what you're saying won't work. [23:04] anondaemon (n=anondaem@adsl-76-236-66-216.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] I am not trying to argue, and I admit I do not know everything about POSIX systems [23:04] is anyone in here willing to help a complete noob? [23:04] no [23:04] T_T [23:04] dchmelik: look up what su does first, then sudo, and then put them together. :) [23:04] I guess I should look at /etc/sudoers [23:05] I know what su does [23:05] Here's a hint: [23:05] %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL [23:05] i'll throw my question into the empty looking abyss and hope someone responds then [23:05] execpt maybe it does some stuff I do not know [23:05] %power ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/etc/acpi/actions/s2ram.sh [23:05] how can i tell if i have ieee80211 installed? [23:05] There's two example lines that should be adaptable for you. [23:06] dchmelik: might want to do some more studying then [23:06] interesting... I am not sure I need to do all that though... [23:06] anondaemon: you mean the 802.11 wireless stack? It's part of the kernel. [23:06] anondaemon: what version of Slackware are you using? ieee80211 stack is deprecated. [23:06] if you're running as root all of the time, you would miss the distinctions [23:06] mac80211 is the new shit [23:06] I know you can also change code to be owned by root before it is installed with a build script, but it is difficult [23:06] 2.6.27 [23:06] well that explains this then [23:06] anondaemon: grep your kernel config for 80211 [23:07] should be /proc/config.gz [23:07] alisonken1church: i am an utter noob [23:07] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [23:07] abing (n=abing@218.94.136.179) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] anondaemon: "zgrep 80211 /proc/config.gz [23:07] " [23:07] mrselfpwn (i=1000@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:07] I did not see that line with %power in my /etc/sudoers... I guess I have to read the sudoers manpage [23:08] alsonken1church: what did that do? [23:08] alisonken1church:* [23:08] If anyone is still having a problem with Firefox 3.5 not starting I found a solution that worked for me. [23:08] la te da te da [23:08] tabfail [23:08] dchmelik: that was an example from here. That line allows all members of the 'power' group to run /etc/acpi/actions/s2ram.sh with sudo. [23:09] rworkman, I was curious. How did the SELF turn out. I ended up missing it. [23:09] Thom1 (n=Thom1@79.84.233.51) joined ##slackware. [23:09] hi [23:09] interesting... I have an /etc/acpi but not that script there [23:09] mrselfpwn: very good; around 400 people [23:10] dchmelik: it's a custom script; that's why. [23:10] oh nice. I wish I would have been able to go. [23:10] deprecated too [23:10] what's SELF? [23:10] what does deprecated mean? [23:10] anondaemon: deprecated means don't use for future - it's going away [23:10] South Eastern Linux Festival [23:10] southeastern linux fest [23:11] thanks [23:11] if I use /etc/sudoers to do 'ALL' in some ways it sounds like it might enable the same problems as root.... [23:11] alisonken1church, ok [23:11] anondaemon: "man zgrep" (man is the name of a program to look at manual pages installed on your system" [23:11] alisonken1church, did you ever get your lilo to boot your raid config? [23:11] dchmelik: for *your* user account, perhaps. Protect your account. Lock your screen when you're away, etcetera. [23:11] dchmelik: depends if you allow sudo for "all programs" or specific programs for all users [23:12] dchmelik: the point is: you don't NEED root as much as you think you do. That's where your confusion is coming from. [23:12] I know I do not need it, but it is easier [23:12] ok [23:12] I would have to learn a lot more about compiling [23:12] If you *need* a root shell to easily work on a nix box, then YDIW. [23:13] alisonken1church, so.... pastebin? [23:13] No, you won't. You can keep a root terminal open *all* the time. I do, as do many others. [23:13] I did that sometimes [23:13] pastebin.ca is one to use - it alllows you to post multiple lines of text without flooging the channel here with too much crap and getting slackboy to kickban you for flooding [23:13] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-232.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Success [23:14] anondaemon: ^^ [23:14] ok [23:14] i use tilda and have a root on one at all times that slide out from the left of the screen [23:14] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-192.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:14] alisonken1church, ty, i'm trying to install this http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/#downloads [23:14] anondaemon: example is http://pastebin.com/d3dfa7499 for pastebin [23:15] alisonken1church, but i'm getting an error [23:15] ipw was deprecated? or not? [23:15] ah yes - the intel wireless chipset stuff [23:15] anondaemon: you shouldn't need to download that, iwl3945 is in the kernel and supports that card [23:16] O_O [23:16] i have the same chipset [23:16] 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) [23:16] how can i confirm that my wireless is working? [23:16] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [23:16] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:17] by connecting to something [23:17] sudo /sbin/iwconfig [23:17] how do i do that from bash? [23:17] yes [23:17] err [23:17] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.220) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:17] do you have encryption on your wireless network anondaemon? [23:17] yes [23:18] sitwon: You're assuming he has sudo configured [23:18] wait... [23:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:18] when i executed iwconfig [23:18] yow fire|bird [23:18] antiwire: yea.. my bad [23:18] iwlist wlan0 scan [23:18] it says encryption off [23:18] Hey gtl [23:18] gabriel_, interface doesn't support scanning [23:18] anondaemon: do you know what kind of encryption is being used? WEP? WPA? [23:18] anondaemon [23:18] for what i'm trying to connect to yes [23:19] just type iwlist scan [23:19] cadmium (n=mike@58.65.159.166) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:19] iwlist scan yields "Interface doesn't support scanning" [23:19] and the wlan0 additionally yields "Network is down" [23:19] WEP [23:20] if it's WEP the command you want is: iwconfig wlan0 key open YOURWEPKEY [23:20] doesn't ssid come before WEP? [23:20] iwconfig wlan0 essid [23:20] you can do it as: iwconfig wlan0 ssid YOURSSID key open YOURWEPKEY [23:21] alrighty [23:21] is there a way i can see the networks available? [23:21] some cards require the commit command as well [23:21] iwconfig wlan0 commit [23:21] mrselfpwn, operation not supported [23:21] if you have the 12.2 CDs/DVD or slackpkg setup, you should install WICD so you won't need to remember the iwconfig commands [23:21] i usually use iwlist scan and that usually works. that seems odd it doesn't work for you [23:22] does WICD use a desktop environment? [23:22] mrselfpwn: it's because the interface it down, he needs to 'ifconfig wlan0 up' before he can iwlist it [23:22] it has a tray icon [23:22] I've only used iwlist with atheros based cards, so can't comment onit [23:22] ah yes [23:22] ifconfig wlan0 up [23:22] dhcpcd wlan0 [23:23] wlan0: link is not ready [23:23] anondaemon: it has GUI client that sits in the tray and configures the network for you [23:23] from ifconfig [23:23] dhcpcd will only work once you're connected [23:23] sitwon: i'm trying to stay away from desktop environments [23:23] as much as i can [23:23] you don't have X? [23:23] anondaemon: any particular reason? [23:23] sitwon: they irritate me [23:24] anondaemon: there's an article somewhere on using /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.config with wireless cards [23:24] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] anondaemon, may i suggest xmonad then [23:24] http://xmonad.org/ [23:24] anondaemon: that probably means you haven't tried the right ones yet.. but I could send you a python script I wrote for configuring my network before I discovered WICD. It's pure-ASCII goodness [23:25] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] i will keep xmonad in mind [23:25] but i'm not worrying too much about a window manager yet [23:25] mrselfpwn: have you tried wmii or awesome? [23:25] i'm trying to gtfo xubuntu [23:25] no sitwon [23:25] and ubuntu all together [23:25] but i can't leave until i make sure at least one of these computers has internet access [23:25] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.209) joined ##slackware. [23:26] at all times* [23:26] anondaemon: if it's any help, I have my 7yo laptop running slack 12.2 and an atheros pcmcia card :) [23:26] that's smart, we can't help you if you're not online ;-) [23:26] are they similar? [23:26] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] but the intel wieless should be good as well [23:26] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] i like the auto-tiling feature of xmonad [23:27] atheros cards are the ones that can be used easily with wireshark right? [23:27] i think that's what it was called [23:27] cards with atheros chipsets [23:28] i'm trying to execute fakeroot into a directory mounted by nfsd ... but i have this error [23:28] /usr/bin/fakeroot: ./opera.SlackBuild: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission non accordée [23:28] I like wmii because it's like screen but for X (it also has support for floating windows for those apps that don't play nice in dynamic window managers). Awesome is very "new", I don't like any of the defualt window placement algorithms but it supports lua scripting for almost everything. [23:28] both are tiling window managers [23:28] does someone have any idea ? [23:28] the last thing i tried [23:28] oh sweet [23:28] was ifconfig wlan0 up [23:28] and it yielded "wlan0: link not ready" [23:29] anondaemon: the 3945 works just as well in Wireshark and Kismet as atheros chipsets [23:29] i've seen awesome screenshots though haven't heard of wmii. [23:29] anondaemon: stupid question, but are the appropriate modules loaded (i know i'm joining this discussion late) [23:29] anondaemon: is the card switched on? [23:30] mrselfpwn: http://wmii.suckless.org/ [23:30] i think the card is on [23:30] it has a weird switch [23:30] and [23:31] i donno anything about modules [23:31] my thinkpad has a physical switch for the bluetooth and wifi card (which is a 3945). [23:31] coming in late you might've missed that i'm a complete noob [23:31] anondaemon: the module should have been loaded automatically, you can check by running: lsmod | grep 3945 (as root) [23:31] wait [23:31] i ran the same command again and it worked [23:32] shweet [23:32] sitwon: i had this same problem when i reloaded slack on my eeepc, but i can't remember what i did :/ [23:32] anondaemon: the iwlist scan command worked? [23:33] looks pretty slick sitwon [23:33] Hey mrselfpwn [23:33] nbuonanno, yes [23:33] nbuonanno, ty i was wondering what i should do next [23:33] xD [23:33] so now i do iwconfig essid? [23:34] don't forget the wep keys as well [23:34] mrselfpwn: As much as I like dynamic window managers like wmii on my servers... I must admit I'm still using Fluxbox on my laptop. [23:34] you can... [23:34] hey fire|bird [23:35] I actually have xfce on my netbook right now. [23:35] anondaemon: set the essid, then set the WEP key, then run dhcpcd to pull your IP and gateway [23:35] mrselfpwn: my boot is 48 seconds now....what the..... :P [23:35] lol [23:35] mrselfpwn: <3 xfce. kde3.5 was too much, kde4 ran like a slug on mine [23:35] that is longer no? [23:35] mrselfpwn: yes [23:35] haha [23:36] and that is also with speedboot enabled. [23:36] I hear the latest kernel has a bunch of boot-speed improvements [23:36] It's not a laughing matter.:P [23:36] mrselfpwn: I used to have boots of 28 seconds, what the heck happened. [23:36] the latest is still 2.6.29.5, isn't it? [23:36] is it trying to connect your eth0 to dhcp that doesn't exist fire|bird? [23:36] fire|bird, I know the feeling [23:37] nbuonanno: no, 2.6.30.1 [23:37] heyyy [23:37] the thing says [23:37] nbuonanno: 2.6.30.1, I was talking about the latest at kernel.org [23:37] wlan0: link becomes ready [23:37] and the cursor is blinking [23:37] watch it in terminal mode fire|bird and see what is taking so long [23:37] does that mean it's trying to connect [23:37] ? [23:37] mrselfpwn: I don't believe so. I had that stuff commented out in rc.M, then my boot was 40 seconds, then, I uncommented that stuff (for the heck of it) and enabled speedboot, and now it's 48. [23:37] Action: nbuonanno senses that it's time for a slackpkg upgrade-all [23:38] mrselfpwn: I'm checking boot times with bootchart. [23:38] fire|bird, maybe you're loading too many modules? [23:38] It's insane, it should not be so slow. :P [23:38] I'm stuck. I can't upgrade because ATI stopped supporting my graphics card and the open source drivers make my whole system lag [23:38] no, you shouldn't [23:38] are you still using hugesmp kernel? [23:39] anondaemon: i think that means your card is up and running, you just have to get your SSID and security settings [23:39] ok [23:39] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] so i just did xinit [23:39] user05439 (n=dsgjkls@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] mrselfpwn: I built 2.6.30.1 and used slacks generic smp, I followed alienBOB's guide and built the fs support into the kernel instead of making it module. (which the guide says allows you to not need an initrd) [23:40] yep [23:40] is there any way i can exit X without logging off or rebooting? [23:40] sitwon, same prob here... am at -current using radeon [23:40] i have ext 2 3 and 4 built in [23:40] the rest are modules [23:40] anondaemon: ctrl alt F7? [23:40] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:40] nbuonanno, did not work [23:40] err... F6 [23:40] F2 through F6 i think [23:41] sitwon, I nailed it down to x-org 1.6.x [23:41] how do i specify a security mode? [23:41] mrselfpwn: yeah, but good grief, it's slow now. :P [23:41] gtl: have you heard of anyone patching the older fglrx for the newer kernels? I'm pissed that ATI would drop me before the open source alternative was really ready [23:41] not the pc, just boot [23:41] how did you "enable" fastboot fire|bird? [23:41] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [23:41] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [23:41] i didn't see an option to enable it. i thought it was default. [23:42] yeah, I'm pissed at it too... [23:42] mrselfpwn: speedboot, I put it in lilo.conf and then ran lilo. I went by what I read online for how to enable it. [23:42] may i see you lilo? [23:42] pastebin [23:42] anondaemon: man iwconfig? [23:42] in it now [23:42] gtl: you mean it's faster or slower in xorg-1.6.x? [23:43] what is the security mode btw? [23:43] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] I think it's faster, but can't say for sure [23:43] managed vs. open i think [23:43] I thought that regression was kernel related? [23:44] ok - off to the office. later guys/gals [23:44] wasn't volkerdi saying earlier that ati and new kernels have issues? [23:44] alisonken1church: later dude. [23:44] but x-org 1.6.x just does not support fglrx [23:44] eviljames: Yup. [23:44] alisonken1church: [ette] as the case may be, but I'm pretty sure it's ken atm :D [23:44] alisonken1church, thank you before you gos [23:44] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:44] eviljames: Yes he did, and I have also seen that using 2.6.30.* with the latest nvidia drivers allows 3D accel to work but kills compositing [23:44] mrselfpwn: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/wByvbd32.html [23:45] eviljames: yep - the wife's two states over this week [23:45] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [23:45] antiwire: interesting. the nvidia drivers are supposed to be really good.. [23:45] and she doesn't do slackware except to take my desktop for web and webemail :) [23:45] anondaemon: p [23:45] eviljames: they are good but everytime a new kernel comes out, either the whole driver breaks or a portion of it breaks [23:46] then they release a new version [23:46] I'll give the radeon driver another try when Slack13 is released, but based on my last experience I'm not optimistic [23:46] alisonken1church: too bad, mine does ;) [23:46] this time, from 2.6.29.* to 2.6.30, something broke compositing, at least that's what it seems like [23:46] let me try with that option in lilo.conf and see what happens fire|bird. brb [23:46] mrselfpwn (i=1000@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [23:47] how does i reset my connection [23:47] for wlan0? [23:47] antiwire: there's a bunch of video stack changes in .30 as i understand.. there's probably a bunch of methods they have to rewrite.. [23:47] anondaemon: tbh, use wicd. [23:47] unles that's been suggested and already isn't working. [23:47] sitwon, yeah, we're in the same boat... [23:47] what's wicd? [23:48] what you got? T60? [23:48] eviljames: he wants to do it on the command-line [23:48] R60 [23:48] anondaemon: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=whats+wicd [23:48] sitwon: i thought there was a ncurses itnerface for wicd. [23:48] agentc0re1: thank you! :D [23:48] :D [23:48] lol [23:48] wow [23:49] that is awesome [23:49] fire|bird: I don't know where you read that (it may be some Madriva mod to lilo) but if I grep the lilo sources for speedboot I get nothing. [23:49] best website ever, lmgtfy [23:49] takes jfgi to a whole new level [23:49] anondaemon: Aint it? Learn to use it my friend! :D [23:49] eviljames: maybe but I've never used it [23:49] gah [23:49] eviljames, that's really a nice one! [23:49] antiwire: I have to add speedboot there myself, and then run lilo. That's what I read anyway. [23:49] fire|bird: I think you're having a nice big placebo dose [23:49] i clicked it anyway just because it makes me laugh so much. [23:49] speedboot isn't in the lilo sources at all [23:50] grepping for other lilo.conf options shows the functions... [23:51] so [23:51] i'm at the prompt [23:51] is there a windows ping equivalent for linux? [23:51] haha [23:51] i wonder what it'll take to reimplement wicd in pyqt4? [23:51] try ping [23:51] mrselfpwn (i=1000@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:51] you sir are a genius [23:51] =D [23:52] haha i thought he was trolling [23:52] anondaemon: are you for real? [23:52] thumbs, no joke [23:52] OMFG, not PING!! that's a hax0r tool! [23:52] fire|bird, i get; Unrecognized token "speedboot" at or above line 13 in file '/etc/lilo.conf' when I add that to lilo.conf. [23:52] when i run lilo [23:52] ... [23:52] I must travel to the 3rd side of the timecube and then backwards travel to the 2nd so that i can go back into time to forget that was even mentioned!! [23:52] mrselfpwn: Hmm, I didn't get that at all. [23:53] i don't remember which distro it was [23:53] but i tried using ping [23:53] and it didn't work [23:53] you ran lilo after adding it right? [23:53] yes [23:53] also [23:53] speedboot isn't in the Slackware lilo sources...AT ALL [23:53] I mean to tell you [23:53] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [23:53] when you run lilo, use lilo -c or add compact [23:53] fire|bird, is the line compact commented out? [23:53] right below the lba part [23:54] gtl: I don't have a compact line at all. [23:54] eviljames: did you like that timecube symposium? [23:54] should be the 4th or 5th line in lilo.conf [23:54] mrselfpwn: ok [23:54] add compact right under speedboot option [23:55] 6th, my bad [23:55] btw, the fast boot option in the new kernels are implemented directly in from what i understand. [23:55] omg [23:55] you don't know how much i <3 you guys [23:55] mrselfpwn: ok, I'll try adding compact. [23:55] and i never thought a successful ping [23:56] would give me such a sense of relief [23:56] <3<3<3 [23:56] speedboot is a software boot speed up solution if i'm not mistaken [23:56] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] sReadahead [23:57] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.220) joined ##slackware. [23:57] speedboot, sounds like a money tree [23:57] http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ [23:57] uva (i=bno@118-168-234-227.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:59] next challenge [00:00] get LAMP up and running [00:00] --- Tue Jul 14 2009