[00:01] seen on some posts that it might glitches with some Oxygen themes [00:01] ^have some [00:04] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Quit: changing servers [00:05] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [00:08] I didn't use kde4 long enough yo witness that. [00:13] thumbs, what do you use [00:13] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:14] blackbox, or xfce [00:14] alt+f2 works well here [00:18] novacrust (~Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [00:19] novacrust (~Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:22] stu_ (~stuart@110.159.19.46) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:29] woo wooooo its installed [00:30] dartmouth, install fusion-icon and ccsm? [00:32] i didn't see fusion-icon, but i have compiz, libcompizconfig, compiz-bcop, ccsm, compiz-plugins-extra/main/unsupported, compizconfig-python, and emerald.... [00:32] all newest versions too [00:34] i actually can't even remember what fusion-icon is [00:34] for the systray [00:36] oh thats right [00:39] weird i dont see fusion-icon anywhere in their repo [00:40] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:40] slackbuilds is actually hosting the source ive never seen that before. [00:41] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:42] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: life is too short to play petty games in a relationship [00:43] dartmouth, just check the slackbuild if you want to handroll it(in case,set -e snags)..and check out python setup.py install --prefix=/usr --root=$PKG $PKG being something like /tmp/fusion-icon-0.1 then cd to that directory and making a package out of that [00:44] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:48] hrm, i think xfce dislikes fusion-icon? [00:49] did you try running fusion-icon in a terminal? [00:49] ya it just killed xfwm4, i haven't set anything up yet. i was just surprised not to see it in a menu [00:51] dartmouth, might need to run ccsm and set windows decorations and the various other plugins [00:58] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:59] crocket1 (~quassel@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [01:00] MrTablet (~MrTablet@adsl-177-81-251.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] gm152_ (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:04] crocket1 (~quassel@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Quitting [01:07] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [01:07] hey guys [01:08] it seems as if I have a few versions of udevd running, in /var/log/syslog I get this: error binding control socket, seems udevd is already running [01:08] how can I figure out what is running it? [01:09] Xgates: are you using an initrd? [01:09] rc.udev does that. [01:09] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [01:09] Yes, but it shouldn't. I thought we addressed that :/ [01:09] I'm pretty damned sure I fixed it here anyway :/ [01:09] yeah I have initrd.gz [01:10] Xgates: you upgraded from 13.0? [01:10] no fresh install of 13.1 [01:10] hi, after I have compiled a new kernel (Slackware 13) and copied it to /boot. Running this command is giving error: make modules_install [01:10] cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/modules.order': No such file or directory [01:12] Xgates: but everything works fine? [01:12] gaom (~none@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Damn. I see that udevd still writes a log entry, even though I quieted it on the console. [01:12] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D05C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Long story short, that's expected and it's okay as long as everything works. [01:12] hrm MLanden you still around? [01:12] yeah everything seems fine, I just thought I'd try to figure this out and not have the message in the logs, plus when I run ps aux I see 3 versions of udevd [01:12] so just wanted to clean it up is all if I can... [01:13] That's normal too. The other two are worker processes [01:13] slack_fish (dd083ac2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.221.8.58.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:13] dartmouth, yeah [01:13] ok [01:13] Re makign the log messages go away, there's no good way to do that (at least not that we can find). [01:14] MLanden, got everything installed, and installed an emerald theme even, but nothing seems to start right; i looked up what the invocation was for the setup, but i can't find it. the docs are ...eh.... you wouldn't know offhand would you? I thought it was `compiz --replace emerald ccp` [01:14] but something must not be right since it says it can't bind the control socket... [01:14] but its also been forever since ive had a de [01:14] rc.udev can't make starting udevd conditional on whether an already running process exists, because worker processes from the initrd can be hanging around still [01:14] hmm [01:14] So we have to start udevd unconditionally, and if there's already a running instance of the daemon that's got the socket bound, it just fails. It's okay and by design. [01:15] That's from the udev maintainer himself. [01:15] dartmouth, might need an ampersand after ccp to let it run in the background [01:15] well maybe I should just compile in my file system and no use initird then [01:15] rworkman: and works fine. [01:15] PiterPunk: yes :) [01:15] personally I don't know why I'm even using one [01:15] LOL [01:15] Xgates: only to avoid this message? [01:15] Xgates: whatever works for you :) [01:15] MLanden, its telling me 'couldnt load plugin `emerald`' and `couldnt load plugin 'ccp'` [01:15] PiterPunk and I fussed for several days trying to figure out an elegant solution. There isn't one :) [01:15] well not so much the msg, just want to make sure everything is running properly too [01:16] If the system is *running* at all, it's fine :) [01:16] ok [01:16] are there any pros to using initird? [01:16] rob0: you should probably read the last 20-30 lines of this too -- it's related ot what you asked about [01:17] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:17] Yes - it's the only way you'll have fully encrypted / [01:17] Xgates: smaller kernel images and root raid/crypt/lvm support [01:17] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] well I don't use raid/crypt or lvm... [01:17] anything else? [01:18] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: take care... [01:19] I thing nothing really noticeable [01:21] Say anyone use the ATI and use the ATI driver and know if there are some things you want to make sure you have compiled in the kernel for the drivers? [01:22] Like I was surprised when the kernel booted it was mentioning that PAT was enabled and I was thinking what the heck the drivers need that for, so it made me wonder if there are other things I want to make sure I have also [01:22] Nancy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] I saw a Slack ATI Wiki but it doesn't talk about anything for kernel support... [01:22] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:22] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:22] Nick change: Nancy -> Guest99695 [01:23] pnq (asdf@ACA35455.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [01:25] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] Nick change: Guest99695 -> tuvok302Lappy [01:26] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [01:26] When I launch bash in a terminal emulator(konsole) as a normal user, bash reads aliases from somewhere. [01:27] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [01:27] When I have bash invoked by logging in a virtual terminal(tty1) as a normal user, bash doesn't read aliases. [01:27] When I log in a virtual termianl as root, bash reads alises. [01:27] Why would this difference occur? [01:27] what site do you guys go to for hardware reviews of motherboards and cpus and stuff? [01:29] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:30] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:31] fhobia, any particular piece of electronics? [01:32] trying to figure out motherboard and cpu mostly [01:32] Say I only have 2gb of ram and in the kernel, 'Allocate 3rd-level pagetables from highmem' I wouldn't need this would I? [01:32] lol, motherboards.org :P ok [01:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2FHAg5TnB4&feature=player_embedded#! [01:33] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:34] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.102.40.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:35] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] lol...Dave Letterman's love child...and just as loud...:) [01:40] say does Slack have any iptables enabled by default that take advantage of any of the netpack filtering in the kernel? Or you have to make your own iptables in order to take advantage of the netpacket filter options in the kernel? [01:41] I have a hardware firewall so not sure I even need to bother with the Netfilter... [01:41] Xgates: no, nothing enabled by default, but you can create an /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall and make that executable and add your iptable rules there and they will be automatically executed on startup [01:41] ok [01:42] anything out there already made up as a good default to use just to add an extra layer? [01:42] This is only for a home box so just the basics is fine [01:42] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:43] Xgates lots of sample out there. The intartubes is riddled with 'en [01:43] 'em [01:44] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:45] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:48] yeah I know there are lots out there just forget where and what would be good [01:48] MLanden, http://pastebin.ca/1882080 [01:50] dartmouth, did you use --prefix=/usr on all the packages while compiling [01:50] MLanden, im very sure that i did [01:50] i also did `locate -u && locate libcore` and returned nothing [01:52] what package is libcore part of? [01:52] trying to look through all of compiz's packages [01:53] stu_ (~stuart@110.159.19.46) joined ##slackware. [01:53] in KDE, alt-f3 brings up the window menu, how do i set that to work in xfce as well? [01:55] dartmouth: what version of libcompizconfig do yo have installed? [01:56] 0.8.4 [01:58] hmm this might be of help: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/compiz-fusion-and-emerald-do-not-want-to-run-correctly-738692 and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5871716.html?sid=34406bffef1db42197d4590bb8491eee [01:58] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Action: dartmouth sees 'uninstall everything and do everything you spent all night doing all over again' [01:59] sometimes you eat the bar...and sometimes...the bar eats you. [02:01] dartmouth, what does compiz --replace ccp --sm-disable --debug do? [02:02] dartmouth: might just be worth googling compiz libcore .. etc. those were just the first two links I came across. [02:02] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:03] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:04] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:05] wowza [02:05] ok [02:05] this is interesting [02:05] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-79-127.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:05] i found a wrapper script, compiz-manager, tweaked it out a bit, and now ive got emerald [02:05] If I upgrade from 13.0 to 13.1, will I be able to use the /usr/share/mkinitrd to generate the correct initrd.gz for my LUKS+LVM setup? [02:06] Rather, I'm looking for confirmation that that's the way to go [02:06] I've never upgraded before -- only full installs [02:08] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [02:09] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:09] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [02:09] redtricycle: 13.0 contains usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh as well. [02:09] redtricycle: you will, just pass it the correct params for your custom initrd [02:10] stu_ (~stuart@110.159.19.46) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:12] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:13] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [02:13] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: L8R folks [02:14] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:16] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:16] ok, i'm moving forward to 12.2 [02:16] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:17] will boot via lilo [02:17] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [02:17] the huge.s and initrd.img to install without a cd [02:21] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [02:24] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:26] moving *forward* to 12.2? Are you sure it's been adequately tested yet, nyRednek? ;) [02:27] Might want to use 11.0 instead. That's nice and stable. [02:27] Kinda like Debian Stable, but the Slackware way. [02:28] popl: heh [02:29] he likes to be bleeding edge! [02:29] well, here's the thing...this machine is too slow for 13, so i started at 8.1, it handles 11 fine [02:29] be careful [02:29] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:30] mancha: hehe [02:30] :) [02:30] mancha: the indication that it should handle 12.2 fine...it loads and uses kde off of 11 fine [02:30] i mean, it is better on 11 because maybe it used firefox version 0.0.0.1 and that's unsafe, etc. [02:31] mancha: actually, 11 was using firefox 2.0 [02:31] really, guys, i'm trying to use the newest slack that this particular machine tolerates [02:32] What's wrong with 13.1? [02:32] it just doesn't tolerate 13...otoh, i got two netbooks on 13 [02:32] Just use a lighter GUI [02:32] What specs? [02:32] Motoko-chan: even with the lighter GUI, it drags on 13.0 [02:32] Motoko-chan: pII, 400, 128mb ram [02:32] does it drag in CLI too? [02:33] I use old P3s for servers on Slackware. [02:33] P2, that is a bit long in the tooth. [02:33] two hd's, one 8G, another 10G [02:33] Blackbox or Fluxbox might be okay. [02:33] or twm :) [02:33] I would avoid anything heavier. [02:33] TWM rocks. [02:34] http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html [02:34] i generally use fvwm or xfce, depending on my mood [02:34] However, what about Gentoo? I bet with the right USE flags, you could totally rock KDE4. [02:34] that web browser works well [02:34] Ugh, TCL. [02:34] yes, it works though :) [02:35] Action: Motoko-chan once had to work with a website programmed in TCL [02:35] sounds painful [02:35] With an Oracle db backend. [02:35] Boggle at that. [02:35] Motoko-chan: did you kill the previous programmer? [02:35] Nah, couldn't find them. [02:35] They were some crazy academic. [02:35] Had to use AOLServer to run the site. [02:35] Motoko-chan: At least it wasn't FoxPro. [02:36] or at least maim [02:36] http://www.aolserver.com/ [02:36] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:36] Motoko-chan: it makes sense to write it in perl or cgilib(C library) to program a site with an oracle backend [02:37] The site was a fitness website the place I worked were trying to take on. [02:37] The codebase was insane. [02:37] Oh, and I had to configure Oracle 10i very special to handle the weird date types it used. [02:37] sounds like the stuff I'm doing for the tutoring center at school. [02:37] Nothing like learning basic Oracle management in a week. [02:38] tehrabbitt-droid (~tehrabbit@253.sub-97-250-218.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:38] technically, oracle isn't a *bad* system [02:38] We were attempting to convince the client that it would be easier to re-write the site in PHP5 OO with MySQL than to try and add features to the existing code. [02:38] but for proprietary systems, i still prefer DB2 [02:38] has anyone here ever had to turn in a time sheet in the middle of the month on which you were asked to estimate the hours you will work for the remainder of the month? [02:38] Oracle isn't bad, it was just overkill for that site. [02:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:39] popl: yeah, i've done that [02:39] The client wanted rapid development cycles. Using non-popular components doesn't lend itself to rapid development. [02:39] nyRednek: was it a government job? [02:39] There isn't a lot of community around AOLServer and TCL. [02:40] And one person was maintaining the Oracle database module for that server. [02:40] popl: i'm not at liberty to discuss the name of employer or nature of employment(NDA) [02:40] They decide it's not worth it, and we'd have to take on that. [02:40] Anyway, time to relax a bit before sleeping. [02:40] nyRednek: what about the pay schedule? I am wondering if the estimation bit is just an artifact of having a monthly pay-period. [02:41] "relax a bit" [02:41] popl: that's what i was thinking [02:41] is that what you kids call it nowadays? [02:41] popl: i had to submit corrections when i mis-estimated [02:41] nyRednek: what a load of malarkey [02:42] overspending ftw [02:42] popl: no kidding [02:43] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:44] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-201.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:44] I wonder if my supervisor will notice if I put 20 hours during one day :P [02:44] popl: their accountants noticed... [02:44] lol [02:44] popl: and asked for security camera footage proving such [02:45] nice [02:45] that is a working system [02:45] popl: i told them i didn't have access to the tapes, and to audit security if they wanted that proof [02:45] Axius (~fd@92.84.4.217) joined ##slackware. [02:45] I work from home, on a laptop. I have no system worked out with my supervisor to let them know how much I work. [02:46] popl: well, i was working on location [02:46] nader (~nader@85.133.205.38) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:46] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:47] they wouldn't be able to ask for security camera footage and expect anything if you did not, nyRednek. ;) [02:47] popl: they *eventually* paid me for that day [02:47] popl: they really disliked that i was in overtime already [02:48] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [02:48] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:51] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:52] nyRednek: I can't do overtime where I'm at now. [02:52] popl: they just wanted the job done [02:53] the woman who is my supervisor's boss has no grasp on how long it takes to get something finished [02:54] i organized my build box a bit [02:54] the people who wrote this crap before me weren't even real programmers (and it shows in the codebase). [02:54] popl: heh [02:54] TClayton (~tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:54] it had become a crapstorm, a tangled web understandable to no one, not even me! [02:55] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:55] my supervisor is amazed that I made an include directory for the php that is outside the documentroot of the apache server. [02:55] *magic* [02:55] popl: that's to keep certain code outside public view [02:55] yes, nyRednek [02:55] popl: and i'm not a programmer [02:56] neither is he but he's actually coding stuff too [02:56] :( [02:56] gaom (~none@6532241hfc154.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:56] TClayton (~tony@nc-76-3-99-100.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] he's got this huge monitor and does code lines that >200 characters long. :( [02:56] *that are [02:56] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [02:57] popl: wtf? code lines shouldn't be more than 80 chars long [02:57] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:57] run 'inden't on that bad boy [02:57] problem solved [02:57] 'indent' rather [02:58] nyRednek: all mine is >= 80 chars [02:58] pnq (asdf@ACA35455.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:59] popl: most of the code lines i've written are 40 chars, give or take [02:59] SiegeX: yep, that's my plan (if I have to deal with his stuff, which I haven't had to yet). [02:59] popl: with whitespace around [02:59] going slightly over 80 from time to time is OK, mostly when it makes the code harder to read if you break a long if-chain. [02:59] but if most/all your code is >80, "you're doing it wrong" as the saying goes [03:00] If you're doing HTML stuff, then go over 80. [03:00] it looks too ugly otherwise [03:01] redtricycle: I don't think so [03:01] redtricycle: it's ugly when your editor has to wrap the line, I think [03:01] *uglier [03:02] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:02] Oh, agreed. when doing HTML [03:02] i dont wrapt he line [03:04] in this HTML there's also a bunch of unnecessary crap that I have successfully deleted without any problems. [03:06] I don't like PHP very much, though. :( [03:07] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] any turing complete language should strive to be <80 when possible (which should be more often than not) [03:08] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Be excellent to each other. [03:10] has anyone upgraded to perl 5.12.x? 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[03:24] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:25] i want to speak to someone who has upgraded to 5.12.x [03:25] botnet (~botnet@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] I could upgrade. Then would I be good enough to talk to you? ;P [03:27] popl, i don't understand what you mean. can you explain? [03:27] have you upgraded to 5.12.x ? [03:28] GHag (~chatzilla@CPE-121-220-221-241.lns5.way.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:29] installing slackware, having an issue, how do i make linux ext3 partions with cfdisk? [03:30] you don't [03:30] GHag: the same way you read email with gqview [03:30] you make a linux 83 partition [03:30] ext3 is at the fs level [03:31] mancha: I was making a joke about you only wanting to speak to someone who's upgraded perl. [03:31] popl, i don't get the joke, did you upgrade to 5.12.x? [03:31] GHag: try mkfs.ext3 [03:31] popl perl script looks like dance lyrics youd write on LSD [03:31] GHag, so you would use a fs tool like mkfs [03:32] GHag: linux 83 partitions are the typical linux partition...you decide if it's ext(depreciated), ext2(also depreciated now), ext3(old journaling fs), ext4(new journaling fs) [03:32] GHag: you do that during setup, when you select TARGET [03:32] no, but I could if you are troubleshooting a problem and need some help mancha [03:33] popl, i am not. and now i am wasting your time as you did with mine! :) [03:33] Well, I'm on IRC, so obviously not worried about time being wasted at the moment. ;P [03:34] cool [03:34] mancha: did you upgrade to 5.12.x? [03:35] yeah, this is irc...there are two reasons for irc...pR0n and time-wasting [03:35] nyRednek: you forgot the third reason, but that's only for furries. [03:35] /c [03:35] bah [03:35] popl: and since i'm not a furry... 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[03:40] GHag (~chatzilla@CPE-121-220-221-241.lns5.way.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709] [03:40] Right now I'm using xpdf. [03:40] Xpdf is ugly. :( [03:40] Action: fred hugs okular [03:41] okular is too little too late [03:41] yeah. screw you okular! [03:41] ;P [03:41] mancha: what do you mean? [03:41] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:41] oh that's right [03:41] not only that, i wasn't able to get dvi support comiled into okular [03:42] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:42] it's not easy to quit evince by pressing escape or q. [03:42] popl: it handles presentations (full-screen) correctly. I do those often [03:42] rworkman: that's useful [03:42] I hate presentations. :( [03:42] hehe [03:43] pejman (~pejman@188.34.71.111) joined ##slackware. [03:44] Nick change: MrZhi -> TheNotoriousDIB [03:44] Nick change: TheNotoriousDIB -> MrZhi [03:44] rworkman: I have lots of experience with OOo and MS Powerpoint presentations doing goofy stuff. [03:45] I wish they'd get table formatting correct. :/ [03:45] pejman (pejman@188.34.71.111) left ##slackware. [03:45] Action: fred hugs latex beamer for multi-monitor support :) (though had to patch xpdf to get it to display correctly...) [03:45] (notes on your actual monitor, slides on the projector - double-width PDF) [03:45] fred: you're not that guy from YouTube, are you? [03:45] I hate that guy. [03:46] what guy? (and no) [03:47] fred: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Figglehorn [03:48] ok, about to attempt to boot into slack 12.2 installer [03:48] bbl [03:48] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:48] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [03:49] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:49] popl: as fred says, it's hard to be latex beamer for presentations [03:50] http://rlworkman.net/SELF-2009/ <-- netfilter pres [03:50] beamer roq mah fr0 [03:50] http://rlworkman.net/slackshowbrasil/ <-- an older version of that one plus a Slackware pres in Brazil :) [03:51] where did fred say that? [03:51] was that inferred when he mentioned patching xpdf? [03:51] 00:43 * fred hugs latex beamer for multi-monitor support :) (though had to patch xpdf to get it to display correctly...) [03:51] ok [03:51] Yes :) [03:51] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [03:51] slackshowbrasil is that the medley of bikini clad garotas? [03:51] bikini? I'm in [03:51] I wish. Carnivale wasn't on yet. [03:52] is carnivale where they all get drunk and naked for 40 days in strict religious observance? [03:52] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:52] Something like that, but I don't think it's 40 days. [03:52] or is it before 40 days of austerity, i forget where the 40 comes in... [03:53] idle` (~idle@jem75-5-82-244-52-176.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:53] Ask PiterPunk :) [03:53] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] rworkman, if i u/g perl will all hell break loose? [03:53] or will i just have to recompile my own personal pm's [03:53] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:53] Lots of recompiling. [03:54] mamma mia [03:54] I don't recall what all, but I do remember that when I upgraded from 5.10 to 5.11 back whenever that I was busy for a while. [03:54] hah [03:54] or maybe it was 5.8 to 5.10. One of those [03:54] so non-core perl stuff need upgrading? [03:55] yep. Theoretically it should all still work if perl's @inc is correct, but theory != practice [03:55] yep, everything which parks its binness in /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/blah iguess [03:55] maybe if you upgrade you will have 40 days of Brazilian women parading through your front room. [03:55] and that's dirty anyway to leave '5.10.x' dirs when perl is 5.12.x :) [03:55] score! [03:56] mancha: pretty much. You can do a quick runthrough the package logs to find out what all you're looking at rebuilding [03:56] yeahm, thing like pidgin, ming, xmms, etc [03:57] looks like a lot, you're right [03:57] Axius (~fd@92.84.4.217) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:57] hell even kde parks stuff in @INC [03:58] slackware should get a few brazilian girls to become the official distro girls [03:58] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:58] Agreed. [03:58] they can do photo-ops with every DVD release [03:59] like that body-paint linux girl, ever see her? [03:59] http://rlworkman.net/images/brazil/dsc00101.html [03:59] http://rlworkman.net/images/brazil/dsc00107.html [04:00] http://angryweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/linux_body_painting_kl.jpg [04:00] nader (~nader@85.133.205.38) joined ##slackware. [04:00] And then there's this classic: http://rlworkman.net/images/brazil/dsc00108-t.jpg [04:01] danix (~danix@host97-55-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:01] How long's Alan been a Brazilian girl? [04:01] haha [04:02] I thought they did that operation in Thailand [04:02] who is sulamita? [04:02] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:03] Sulamita Garcia [04:03] Google will be your friend from there :) [04:05] cool [04:06] i didn't know that stuff existed [04:06] linuxchix, gnome women's outreach, etc. [04:07] huh , this s really nice presentation :) [04:07] would anyone be running a kernel 2.6.35-rc* by chance? [04:08] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421595.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:08] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Client Quit [04:09] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. 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[04:50] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/startup-errors-in-akonadi-813792/ [04:52] KDE cant be installed without akonadi [04:52] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:53] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/knotify-crashes-often-809901/ [04:53] someone posted what they say is a solution but i have not tried it yet [04:54] and i was also going to try setting kde to no sound to see if maybe that helped too, but i was going to ask because i don't want to install first and run into problems afterwards [04:58] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:00] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:05] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:10] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:11] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. 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[07:41] define powerful [07:44] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:45] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-79-127.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:48] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:53] James____: try verbose mode? [07:54] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:55] and minimal [07:55] I think of slackware as fairly minimal [07:56] You just gotta pick the packages you need or want at install [07:56] avoid anything you think of as bloat for the purposes you're minimal install will be used for [07:56] your^ [07:56] shit [07:56] I always do that [07:56] sinedrio (~sinedrio@193-126-130-83.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:57] You may need to compile additional software on another machine to install into a more minimal set up [07:57] assuming you don't include the development stuff [07:57] Delahunt: powerful as in "works great on a wide range of systems" [07:58] gutterslob (~Gutterslo@115.134.80.49) joined ##slackware. [07:58] indubitableness: minimal, i mean just the necessary things for everyday use: firefox, thunderbird, etc [07:58] XFCE [07:59] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [08:02] nvision (~nvision@g225062209.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:05] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:05] gutterslob (Gutterslo@115.134.80.49) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:06] zs1 (zs@222.173.220.232) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [08:06] this movie is crazy [08:06] oops wrong window [08:10] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:30] i downloaded 1 package from slackbuild which ends with .tar.gz, how do i install it with which command [09:30] ? [09:31] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [09:31] How can I set the right permissions for virtualbox to access usb devices? [09:31] u use installpkg [09:32] Cannot install google-chrome.tar.gz: file does not end in .tgz, .tbz, .tlz, or .txz then it says this [09:32] rename it .tgz [09:33] are u sure it is the binary [09:33] ? [09:33] the slackbuild package is used to build a slackware package [09:33] first untar the .tar.gz file, second put the tarball that contains the binary (chrome) into the first file you untared and then login as root and run the file that ends with *.Slackbuilds [09:34] tar.gz = tgz [09:34] it will generate a .tgz file in /tmp [09:34] okay thx [09:34] yes sure but tgz is the end of slackware binarys and tar.gz usally is for sourcetarballs [09:35] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [09:36] better explanation there, tanks [09:38] noname: you may be better off using sbopkg [09:39] what is that? [09:40] virtualbox can't access my usb devices. [09:40] virtualbox belongs to vboxusers group. [09:40] how can I give it a permission to access usb devices? [09:40] its a program that does the conversion from source to binary for you [09:41] noname: google for it :) [09:44] guys [09:44] Is it ok to put vboxusers group(virtualbox) in plugdev group? [09:45] noname, tar.gz is likely not the package [09:45] I want to give virtualbox an access to usb devices. [09:45] but the archive containing the slackbuild script [09:45] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] noname, err, just ignore me, I see you got an explanation [09:46] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:47] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:48] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [09:48] hey, when i add a new drive and do a vgextend (add the new drive to the lvm pool) does it make raid0 of the two drives? [09:49] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:49] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [09:49] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [09:50] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [09:51] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:52] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.94.97) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:52] zoran119, no, you would need to construct a raid see /sbin/mdadm [09:52] hey, is it worth it to enable Pentium4 Hyper Threading feature ? [09:52] benchmark would let you know, generally speaking hyperthreading is more *efficient* but not faster performing [09:54] been seeing those. [09:54] in essence it depends on what you are using it for [09:54] just wondering if any people here notice the different. [09:54] admboom: for server generally. [09:54] it depends on where the bottleneck is [09:55] if the bottleneck is CPU, the no, but if it is disk, say an IDE drive.. then yes [09:55] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:58] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:59] MrTablet (~MrTablet@72-255-21-34.client.stsn.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Hi. [09:59] Hola [10:00] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [10:00] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: No route to host [10:00] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [10:01] I hope all is well. [10:01] MrTablet (~MrTablet@72-255-21-34.client.stsn.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:01] hola [10:02] MrTablet (~MrTablet@72-255-21-34.client.stsn.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Seems all is, well... quiet [10:04] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:04] (wind blowing sound) [10:05] :) [10:05] I am editing my blag. [10:07] hello i installed skype but it doesnt start what can be the reason? [10:08] noname, either a) it's running and is minimized to the task bar or b) you installed skype on a 64-bit system [10:08] Or something else. [10:08] crocket (crocket@121.168.91.143) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). [10:08] i installed skype on a 64bit system [10:08] cant i do that? [10:09] you need the 32bit-compat libraries as well - the problem is even skype's 64-bit package assumes you have a 32-bit compatibility installed [10:09] it could also be that skype is crapp [10:09] rafu, that's a given already :) [10:10] then i need to install 32 bit libs then will it work? [10:10] lol [10:11] noname, it _should_ work, no guarantees with skype [10:12] where can i find which libs i need to install? [10:12] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] its crap like that that keeps me from installing 64bit [10:12] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [10:12] noname, ^^^ [10:13] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-421595.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Skywise is this a frequent thing? [10:13] frequent, no. but its not rare either [10:13] The readme/help may still say , but will also work with 13.1 [10:13] it really depends on how the packages are maintained [10:14] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [10:14] and its uneven, there isn't a monolithic response to making 64bit software [10:15] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. 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[10:23] i guess i mean, what software can take advantage of it [10:23] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] gotta see benchmark out there for that. [10:23] Skywise: software does not need to take advantage of it [10:23] anavel: it's not "perhaps"; it's "yes" [10:24] the core ix have a lot more pipelines than the P4 has, so shuffling threads around will improve performance a lot more, too [10:26] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:26] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: No route to host [10:27] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.102.40.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:27] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [10:29] edthix (~ed@175.137.185.245) joined ##slackware. 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[10:35] nvision (~nvision@g225051071.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:35] Action: ananke is waiting for his westmere x5670 based servers to arrive [10:36] ananke: my army of winged monkeys intercepted the shipment. They're mine now. ALL MINE. *BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA* [10:36] i have to say, processors are getting amazingly fast these days [10:37] does 64 bit system has real advantages? [10:37] have* [10:38] no, Pat added it just for fun [10:38] noname: besides larger memory addressing space? twice the number of registers [10:38] Main advantage is the ability to use more memory. [10:38] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] i have 4gb of memory what do u recommend for me? to use 64 bit or 32? [10:39] noname: i'd go for 64 [10:39] It's possible to run a 64-bit kernel on 32-bit Slackware userspace. I have some that do that. [10:39] some what? [10:40] rob0 then u dont have package incompatibilities ? [10:42] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [10:43] WFM, one laptop and one desktop doing it. They get their full 4GB RAM. [10:43] Razec (~razec@187.34.16.95) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Is it safe to have vboxusers(virtualbox users) group belong to plugdev group? [10:43] although, for my own system, I'm using slackware64 [10:44] slackytude (~slacky@f051071027.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:44] mwnn (~user@59.96.33.115) joined ##slackware. [10:45] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.185) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:48] crocket, a group belonging to another group? [10:48] yes [10:49] I can specify that in /etc/group [10:49] why, though? [10:49] I belong to plugdev, and vboxusers. [10:49] /dev/sdb, which I want virtualbox to access, belongs to plugdev group and has the permission mode 660. [10:50] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] In theory, since I belong to plugdev group, virtualbox run by me should be able to access /dev/sdb. [10:50] Maybe virtualbox doesn't belong to me but to vboxusers. [10:51] but you're in both, right? [10:51] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:51] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:51] yes [10:51] nvision (~nvision@g225051071.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:51] pupiteee (~p@109.92.231.205) joined ##slackware. [10:51] What implementation of X for windows would you recommend? [10:52] . [10:52] To forward X apps to Windows system [10:52] burshki (~dcash@2002:442f:ac31:0:21e:65ff:fed1:4a6) joined ##slackware. [10:52] john_dee: http://x.cygwin.com/ [10:54] surrounder: Cygwin? Ok, thanks, I'll take a look [10:54] noname (~timur@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:54] Prolly, the best option since I already have Cygwin ^) [10:57] ugh [10:57] ssh x forwarding ftw [10:59] An X client still requires an X server, always has. Cygwin is one way to get an X server on Windows. [11:00] Xming works pretty well too [11:01] My solution over a decade ago was to get rid of Windows. :) [11:01] rob0++ =) [11:03] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:09] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [11:11] wertik_rus (~wertik@193.239.129.238) joined ##slackware. [11:11] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:18] MrTablet (~MrTablet@72-255-21-34.client.stsn.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:34] 1) pkgtool -> setup -> setconsolefont .. or run setconsolefont as root. [11:34] BP{k}++ [11:38] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421595.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:38] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.203) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:39] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] nvision (~nvision@g225051071.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:40] nvision (~nvision@g225051071.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:42] burshki (dcash@2002:442f:ac31:0:21e:65ff:fed1:4a6) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:46] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:46] pupiteee (~p@109.92.231.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:48] wertik_rus (~wertik@193.239.129.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:48] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. 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[12:23] noname (~noname@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) joined ##slackware. [12:23] helllo when i try to run eclipse i get this error Pango-CRITICAL **: pango_layout_get_line_count: assertion `layout != Floating point exception [12:24] Nagi (~Nagi@76.net219117111.t-com.ne.jp) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:24] rafu (rafu@77.53.11.107) left ##slackware. [12:28] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [12:30] OffPlanet (~meler@adsl-67-114-9-0.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:33] nvision (~nvision@g226061067.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:34] MrTablet (~MrTablet@72-255-21-34.client.stsn.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:37] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [12:38] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:39] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:48] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [12:51] OffPlanet (~meler@adsl-67-114-9-0.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:53] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [12:56] so now i got 25 meg upload, lets see how bittorent likes it [12:56] using the slack CDs [12:57] that's wowfactor 9.5 [12:57] what's your download? [12:58] 25 [12:59] it is symetric! [12:59] *symmetric [12:59] indeed it is [12:59] nice speed [12:59] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] wow didnt know boost was only added at 13.0. didnt KDE require it in 3.5.x? [13:06] noname (~noname@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) joined ##slackware. [13:06] sahko: no [13:07] how can i stop kdm? [13:07] By not starting it [13:07] so u say i cant stop it after i start it? [13:07] noname: not while you're running X [13:07] whoa...this is weird...one shell is all laggy and stuff...and there is no system load... [13:07] ISsue "init 3" in anotherterminal [13:08] edman007, ssh? or local? [13:08] mannynix (~mannynix@201.132.54.237) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:09] local [13:09] wait...no it is not [13:10] i was testing my portforwarding! ssh'd out and back in...and i can't tell, lol [13:10] noname (~noname@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:11] Action: adrien pats edman007 on the head =) [13:11] man I wish flash on linux would support hardware acceleration. [13:11] i wish flash didnt support linux at all [13:11] I wish gnash worked ;p [13:11] wow.. thumbs asking for a windows-only feature ? [13:11] adaptr: I was to play games at more than 3 fps. [13:11] s/was/want/ [13:11] maybe then html5 would move faster to implemention [13:12] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC678.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [13:12] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC678.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] games ? what are "games" ? [13:12] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC678.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:12] you know the y/ series =) [13:12] oh those [13:13] you don't need flash to play nethack! [13:13] & emacs has tetris [13:13] adaptr: flash games. I play them occasionally. [13:13] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC678.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] yeah, DtD is addictive as shit [13:13] there's already like 50 variants [13:15] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. 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[13:57] Hi folks, I never tried slackware :) it's the only one I miss (I already got gentoo a while ago), can you describe the system to me? how do you install it, how do you install software and upgrade it and so on? thanks [13:58] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [13:58] mastro: fast, lean, mean and rocksolid [13:58] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:58] the installer is foolproof [13:58] MrTablet (~MrTablet@72-255-21-34.client.stsn.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:59] mastro: http://www.slackbook.org/ [14:00] BadAtom, do you have to compile software or there are packages? in the last case, do they resolve dependency? are stable or "brand new"? [14:00] mastro: the package manager doesn't resolve dependencies for you, no. [14:00] there are binary repositories, or you can do almost gentoo-style source compiling with slackbuilds [14:01] mastro, if you have installed gentoo then slackware should't be a problem --> http://www.slackware.com/install/ [14:01] thumbs, ok, that's a plus :) [14:01] slackware tends not to have bleeding edge package releases because the emphasis is on stability [14:02] BadAtom, I see :) rafu thank you too! [14:02] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:03] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [14:04] sunzu (~sunzu@pD9ED36ED.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:04] what is the proper place for exporting environment variables not initialized by login shell [14:08] rafu (slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left ##slackware. [14:08] Nick change: almigi -> almigi_is_not_he [14:08] Nick change: almigi_is_not_he -> almigi_away [14:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:08] almigi_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [14:08] I mean, for script started at boot time [14:08] *sripts [14:09] only thing I can think of is create a shell script for exports and run it from /etc/rc.d/rc.M [14:11] sloinn: maybe /etc/rc.d/rc.local [14:11] noname (~noname@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:12] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:12] warmana (~quassel@188-222-193-153.zone13.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[14:18] me two, but env variables are declared by /etc/profile which is run only for login shells ....which doesn't happen at boot time [14:18] *me too :-) [14:18] figabo (~figabo@201.165.74.35) joined ##slackware. [14:18] hello im getting this error ALSA lib control.c:902:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hdmi any ideas? [14:18] Nick change: Roin -> afk|Roin [14:21] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:21] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:23] nvision (~nvision@g226061067.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:23] Nick change: afk|Roin -> Deutschland|Roin [14:23] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Is PAM installed on slackware64 13.1? [14:23] No [14:24] alienBOB: i have a question for you if you have the time to answer it [14:24] noname (~noname@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:24] i built DirectFB using your slackbuild and installed it, however, when running your qingy slackbuild i get "error no package directfb found" [14:24] any idea what might have caused that? [14:25] No [14:25] alright [14:25] Did you use newer versionns? [14:25] i used the versions from your site [14:26] Then I have no idea. I have not touched those packages for ages [14:26] hmm [14:26] botnet : why would you want directfb? [14:27] botnet: perhaps you find more information in the config.log file in the qingy source directory [14:27] crocket: qingy uses it [14:27] qingy is a replacement for the login script. [14:27] no [14:27] come on, we need an expert here ... does running /etc/profile in rc.local have any negative consequences ? [14:27] the login program. [14:28] sloinn : /etc/profile is run by bash anyway. [14:28] only login shell [14:28] that's why it's called profile [14:28] non-login shells don't need rc.local [14:29] I usually set PATH and anything else I need in the scripts I run from rc.local manually [14:29] but scripts started from rc.local at boot time do [14:29] non-login shells execute other files. [14:29] read "man bash" [14:29] I don't want to duplicate my environment settings [14:29] noname (~noname@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) joined ##slackware. [14:30] There must be a global setting file for non-login bash. [14:30] that's what I'm trying to find out [14:30] ALSA lib control.c:902:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hdmi im getting this error any ideas? [14:30] sloinn : go to #bash and somebody will answer you. [14:30] I knew the name of the file, but forgot. [14:30] that's a distribution thing [14:31] Since slackware modifies minimally, it's ok. [14:31] Slackware bash slackbuild didn't even set "shopt -s checkwinsize" [14:32] sloinn, do you want vars to be accessible later by users? [14:32] or just for one particular script to work? [14:32] alienbob, it's looking for directfb.pc [14:32] I have all vars set in /etc/profile.d ... but they are not applied directly from rc.M ...but only for login shell [14:33] I want them to [14:33] which does not exist, nor is created during my execution of the directfb slackbuild [14:33] so I was asking if it is good idea to run etc/profile from rc.local [14:33] sloinn, so add a snippet in rc.local [14:33] thrice`, sourcing /etc/profile.d/*.sh ? [14:33] sloinn, well I'm not sure what the consequences of running /etc/profile would be [14:34] seems more adequate [14:34] for file in /etc/profile.d/*; do source $file; done [14:35] And then? sloinn how long do you think those variables last? Where do you need them? [14:36] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:36] alienBOB, I just want to avoid duplication [14:36] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Changing host [14:36] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [14:36] cause I'm using like 10 applications [14:36] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.192) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:36] Duplicates??? [14:36] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:36] from login shell and at boot time [14:36] all of them are using those vars in /etc/profile.d [14:37] What applications would run at boot time then [14:37] which applications/env variables are we talking about? [14:38] sloinn : why don't you make a global setting file and symlink it to ~/.bashrc? [14:38] huh? [14:38] If you make a script that symlinks the global setting file to ~/.bashrc, then it'll do. [14:38] java (servers, repository managers, issue trackers ... many more [14:39] There are other places [14:39] each with it's HOME location [14:39] hmm, i think i see the problem, the directfb build script creates "direct.pc [14:39] and qiny is looking for directfb.pc [14:39] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [14:39] started at boot time - but - being restarted then for instance [14:40] well I think I would put the vars in rc.local before the apps run [14:41] if you run them from rc.local that is [14:41] yeah, symlinking direct.pc to directfb.pc appears to have solved the problem [14:41] yep, I think it's the proper workaround for that [14:41] and if root needs to restart things manually later, put them in root's ~/.bashrc too [14:43] dive, root would log [14:43] oh, wait, no it didnt....the slackbuild created a package, but lacking the binary [14:43] in [14:44] and have them from /etc/profile [14:44] ah ok then [14:45] edthix (ed@175.137.185.245) left ##slackware. [14:46] botnet : I recommend you to use fbsplash instead of qingy. [14:46] fbsplash is better than qingy. [14:48] skaro (~skaro@ip68-105-157-72.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] does fbsplash provide a text based login manager with support for mulitple X sessions? [14:49] its a shame i need directfb when i do not plan on using the framebuffer for anything aside from text [14:50] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:50] botnet : fbsplash just provides a background image for normal console. [14:50] mastro (ubuntu@host118-3-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [14:50] google it [14:50] im not looking for a background [14:51] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:51] just want a login manager that can provide multiple X sessions, but still remain text based [14:53] botnet : getty can provide multiple X sessions. [14:53] startx -- :1, startx -- :2, and so on. [14:53] It also eats ttys, though. [14:54] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:54] yes, but it requires a lot more work, and id need separate xinitrc files for different WM's [14:55] What's the problem with building directfb? [14:55] directfb builds, its qingy that is giving me problems [14:55] first it was looking for directfb.pc, instead of direct.pc [14:55] now it is giving me undefined reference to `DirectFBErrorString' errors [14:57] hmm [14:57] make a patch or just fix the source code. [14:57] find /path/to/qingy -iname *directfb.pc* [14:58] replace it with direct.pc or make a patch for that. [14:58] MrTablet (~MrTablet@m425e36d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [14:58] ive already done that, im trying to get passed the directfberrorstring reference errors now [14:58] bwahaha http://www.unrealircd.com/txt/unrealsecadvisory.20100612.txt [14:59] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] LifeDJ (~LifeDJ@193.239.129.201) joined ##slackware. [15:01] botnet : Is qingy compiled anyway? [15:02] no, im trying to compile it [15:02] MrTablet (~MrTablet@m425e36d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [15:02] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:02] LifeDJ (~LifeDJ@193.239.129.201) left irc: Client Quit [15:03] j0z_ (mp3@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:04] what's the status of getting a recent version of gnome on 13.1? [15:04] (as dropline doesn't seem to have been updated since 12.2) [15:04] dartmouth: [15:05] briareus (~briareus@pool-71-169-134-160.burl.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] briareus (~briareus@pool-71-169-134-160.burl.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Changing host [15:05] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [15:05] chipster, gracci, gracci. is it stable? [15:06] yep. go into #gsb if you have additional questions. [15:07] will do [15:07] i'll just lurk there while im making the transition [15:07] Action: dartmouth considers removing kde and from his system to make a point... [15:08] Syllopsium1 (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:08] "even though Slackware no longer ships with Gnomethere is a 3rd-party Gnome add-on that can be installed on top of Slackware 13.1 with very little disturbance. The GnomeSlackBuild (or GSB) project even has two releases available at this moment: Gnome 2.28 which does not replace any original Slackware package, and the 2.30 release which replaces as little as two packages." from Slackworlds interview with alienBOB [15:10] no, don't use gsb, they still recommend slapt-get [15:10] I man, hi chipster [15:10] mean* [15:11] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:11] "McDonald's no longer puts meat in its cheeseburgers--but there are 3rd-party vendors that can be found near most locations that do in fact sell hamburger patties with very little disturbance...." [15:11] ... [15:11] no, more like "cpunches is sleeping for the night, but there are other people who you can laugh at if you look closely" [15:11] "Nevertheless, we will not be changing our prices and will continue to market ourselves as distributers of meat-patty burgers." [15:12] j0z_ (mp3@189.58.133.242) joined ##slackware. [15:12] j0z_ (mp3@189.58.133.242) left irc: Changing host [15:12] j0z_ (mp3@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Action: admboom thinks "to lurk" does not imply trollilng, looks at dartmouth [15:13] admboom: it's darthmouth, honestly .. what do you expect. ;) [15:13] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] has macdonalds ever put meat in their burgers? [15:13] If you want to use gnome then fine, but no need to put down kde every 'kin time. [15:13] admboom, its an ongoing argument about the kde4 fanboism thats taken over the slack distro :P [15:13] thrice`: hello [15:14] translation: "it's an ongoing source of fustration that slackware still doesn't pay attention to the idiocracy I spout every single time." [15:14] dartmouth, there is no argument. Get gnome, use it. [15:14] Pat even puts kde in its own set so that you can easily remove it if you want [15:15] thrice`, yeah, and that loan shark "didnt make you take the loan out" [15:15] do you expect people to follow your retarded logic? [15:16] people? you're the only one concerned about 'people' :P [15:16] ad-humina-humina-humina! [15:19] man [15:19] sloinn : http://planet.admon.org/howto/difference-between-login-shell-and-non-login-shell/ [15:19] sloinn : It is said that /etc/bashrc is executed for the first time when non-login shell is executed. [15:20] lies. [15:20] pnq (asdf@ACA24C45.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [15:21] crocket: bash(1), INVOCATION. [15:21] hmm [15:21] I read it [15:21] I have to test it [15:22] they say that when you ssh to a remote mashing, you get a non-login shell there [15:22] which doesn't seem right [15:23] sounds wrong to me but easily tested :) [15:23] It seems http://planet.admon.org/howto/difference-between-login-shell-and-non-login-shell/ is wrong. [15:23] I tested /etc/bashrc, and it's not executed. [15:23] But [15:23] http://planet.admon.org/howto/difference-between-login-shell-and-non-login-shell/ says /etc/profile.d/*.sh is executed either in non-login or login shells. [15:24] which is wrong again [15:24] hmm [15:24] Ah right [15:24] files in /etc/profile.d are executed in /etc/profile. [15:24] Where's that lie come from? [15:25] It was written in 2009. [15:25] man bash, look in the INVOCATION section [15:25] Again I read it [15:25] I was just thinking of a possibility that man bash could be wrong. [15:26] unlikely [15:26] /join #bash and ask them ;-) [15:28] crocket: some distros use /etc/bashrc, but I don't believe that to be the way bash was meant to be. [15:28] Putting /etc/bashrc can't hurt. [15:29] well .. technically that is correct, it won't hurt as it is not touched by bash. [15:29] sloinn : Maybe you can apply your own bash patch and repackage it. [15:29] This is slackware. [15:29] make and apply /etc/bashrc patch. [15:29] for what purpose? [15:29] for sloinn's purpose [15:29] ha [15:30] sloinn: since I am now confused, perhaps you can shed some light on the situation, what is it you want to achieve? [15:31] BP{k}, till the gulf spill thing blows over you should reverse your BP to PB so i dont think you're evil [15:32] BP{k}, he's just trying to find the correct file to put in some env vars needed by some java apps/servers etc [15:32] it's solved, we came to conclusion with dive, that the best option is sourcing " for file in /etc/profile.d/*; do source $file; done " in rc.local [15:32] run at boot [15:32] WHY? [15:32] That's already done in /etc/profile [15:32] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:32] sloinn, that wasn't my solution [15:32] :) [15:33] That's NOT a solution. [15:33] Or if it is, it's already present, so you have a different problem. [15:33] I said put the vars in rc.local before the apps start, not source anything in /etc/profile.d/ there :-) [15:33] rworkman, question was, if it is safe to run /etc/profile [15:33] from rc.local [15:33] Why would you want to do that? [15:34] I just want to avoid duplication [15:34] rworkman, he wants to run a global equivalent of ~/.bashrc in a non-login shell [15:34] I'm using like 10 applications [15:34] from login shell and at boot time [15:34] all of them are using those vars in /etc/profile.d [15:34] Action: BP{k} thinks three is an awesome amount of YDIW happening here. [15:34] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:34] sloinn : and you need non-login shells? [15:34] s/three/there/ [15:35] perhaps he could read the bash man page and read about the BASH_ENV variable. [15:35] wtf, rc.M run rc.local as interactive shell [15:35] which consequently also happens to be in the INVOCATION section [15:35] Yeah, seriously, read that. [15:35] so /etc/profile isn't run [15:36] s/read/understand/ [15:36] that's an alternative [15:36] ya, good call [15:36] sloinn: YDIW. RW. [15:36] but sourcing profile.d/*.sh is easier [15:36] sloinn : follow my advice, modify the source code to have it look for /etc/bashrc. It's easy. [15:36] crocket, ... [15:36] and what [15:36] crocket: please kindly ... shut up. [15:36] declare it again in there ? [15:37] I quit. [15:37] no need [15:37] rworkman: bottle of beer if you're back in ;) [15:37] rworkman: heh [15:37] best advice ever. I'll be right back, going to go put a 'Type-R' sticker on my car to make it go faster [15:37] I don't understand what's bad about having /etc/bashrc. [15:38] and what exactly would you do there [15:38] SiegeX: and using sed on proc/cpuinfo [15:38] crocket: it's not bad, it's just wrong and not needed, most likely stemming from a complete lack of understanding. [15:39] BP{k} : you can try to put some knowledge in my head. [15:40] I understand the purpose of it .... I have all my java env vars set up in /etc/profile.d/ ...tons of them ... they are needed only for login shells and scripts in rc.local ....so I'm sourcing them in rc.local [15:40] Okay, I'll bite. Yeah, it's no different than modifying the source to look in /usr/local/FMRB/YDIW.conf, which isn't bad, but doesn't solve any problem that couldn't have been solve easier. [15:40] crocket: you could try and understand the invocation of bash. [15:40] sloinn: Why don't you just have your shell do that???? Seriously. Do this: echo ". /etc/profile" >> $HOME/.bashrc [15:41] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:41] maybe he uses more than 100 accounts. [15:41] somebody has to have last word here :-P [15:42] /etc/skel ftw. [15:42] maybe writing a 1-liner loop is better than altering the source code [15:42] use /etc/skel :) [15:42] and that. [15:42] maybe [15:47] would anyone be able to quickly get in touch with Alan_Hicks for something not very important? ( raela wants to tell him she thinks he's gay ) [15:47] Duh [15:48] sloinn : satisfied? [15:48] (ok, that was pretty bad and pretty useless, sorry) [15:48] Either raela gets in here and states that, or I ban you for trollong, adrien OK? [15:48] okay.. I'm not THAT mean [15:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:49] alienBOB: it's in reference to comments I made in OT [15:49] alienBOB: no need to ban alienBOB.. I'm at the same conference as Alan_Hicks right now [15:49] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] he's right in front of me [15:49] I don't care about that OT channel. I care about _this_ channel and Alan_Hicks [15:49] okay, Alan_Hicks just walked away [15:49] raela: you're blabbering [15:50] crocket, yep [15:51] alienBOB: sorry. I'll shut up and all will be fine, right? [15:52] It was adrien who started it, not you [15:53] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-75-51-152.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] well, I was just trying to clarify that adrien's comment was my fault and he wasn't really trolling, so no need to ban him for that [15:54] raela, best thing is to just leave it alone instead of trying to explain, let it go. [15:54] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:58] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] hello is jdk1.6 default in slackware 13.1? [16:00] noname, did you install 13.1 ? [16:00] noname: the JRE is installed by default, the JDK is found in /extra [16:01] estranho (~estranho@li115-62.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] estranho (~estranho@li115-62.members.linode.com) left irc: Changing host [16:01] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [16:02] sloinn: put .bashrc in /etc/skel, and each newly generated user would have ~/.bashrc [16:03] okay when i try to install one package i get this error configure: error: The header jni.h was not found. Set $JAVA_HOME to your java sdk directory, use --with-java-bin-path={java-bin-dir}, or reconfigure with --disable-javaxpcom. [16:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] crocket, are you sure that ~/.bashrc are sourced at boot time befor rc.local is run....just to be sure :) [16:06] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:06] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:06] heya,folks [16:07] sloinn: no it won't. [16:08] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman [16:09] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [16:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:09] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-139-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:10] alienBOB, where is that /extra? [16:10] sloinn : I don't know since I'm still relatively a newcomer to linux. [16:10] noname, either your DVD, or a mirror [16:10] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-79-127.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:10] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-139-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] sloinn : Beware that if you type "bash" in any shell, a non-login shell is executed. [16:11] look, over the last years I got used not to break anything that works...I like the profile.d/*.sh sourcing thing in rc.local [16:12] sloinn : What was it you wanted to achive? [16:14] Ah [16:14] running /etc/profile in every shell. [16:14] Action: BP{k} gives up. [16:15] I am way to sober to deal with this... [16:19] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] solsTiCe (~solsTiCe@ARennes-553-1-108-202.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:24] waka waka [16:25] *bangshead* [16:26] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] greetings and salutations [16:28] whio is brian lobert? [16:28] Sushiyant (~hamed@unaffiliated/sushiyant) joined ##slackware. [16:31] greetings andarius:) [16:32] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:32] salutations hitest [16:32] did you guys hear about the unreal servers? [16:33] no what happened [16:33] they were backdoored sine 11/09 [16:33] *since [16:35] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [16:36] rworkman, so maybe my udevd was NOT the problem? It's hard to tell what it was, now, as everything is more or less working fine. Not sure what I changed that fixed it. [16:40] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:41] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:41] no, one of the mirrors had a backdoored copy. The main cvs tree was not affected. [16:41] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:43] rob0: I ssh'ed to your box in your sleep and fixed it. [16:43] Sushiyant (~hamed@unaffiliated/sushiyant) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:43] dumped_B (~dumped@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [16:44] edman (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:44] hey [16:44] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:45] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] i did a stupid thing; i uninstalled aaa_elflibs ; and now i get an error loading shared librarie libjpeg.so.62 ; [16:45] so re-install it [16:45] i suspect it is because i uninstlled aaa_elflibs; how can i fix that [16:45] nvision (~nvision@g225053218.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:46] aaa_elflibbs is blacklisted ; [16:46] i don't know what that means [16:46] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:46] installpkg aaa_elflibs...balhb;ah [16:46] u cand do that? [16:47] don't [16:47] ?? [16:47] no,i can not install in that way [16:47] what were you trying to do? [16:47] of course you can. now it might overwrite newer libs if you compiled your own stuff since the official install [16:47] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:48] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:48] but if it's an official install with no base pkg upgraded by you then installpkg aaa_elflibs is fine [16:48] i was trying to upgrade aaa_elflibs <-- dummy thing [16:49] so,what to do ; (slackpkg does not work) ? [16:49] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-79.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [16:50] is an initrd.gz going to be required for any user-built kernel in 13.1? has the kernel become that huge, or is that just something we do with the included slackware kernel? [16:50] i dont use an initrd [16:51] uhh.. initrd is required when the kernel isn't huge... [16:51] raela, can you expand on that [16:51] initrd is only required if you dont include necessary options in the kernel itself [16:52] e.g. you make ext4 support a module [16:52] dumped_B: what are you trying to do? [16:52] youd need an initrd to preload that module [16:52] dartmouth: the huge kernel provided in slackware includes just about everything, so no initrd needed.. however, generic needs one because the kernel does not have the necessary drivers for the file system [16:52] wow, even the unreal version in gentoo's emerge repo was backdoor'd :( [16:52] an initrd is required when a module required for booting is not built into the kernel [16:53] raela, yes but im asking about a user-built kernel with the fs drivers built in [16:53] Hoogin (~hoogin@195-50-219-246-rdsl.est.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [16:53] dumped_B: you need to read the slackpkg mailing list [16:53] cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig [16:53] s/mailing list/man page [16:53] bahg [16:53] dartmouth: does it boot? if so, no initrd needed. get an error? make one [16:53] Nick change: dumped_B -> oxiredo_ro [16:53] raela, okie doke. just askin'. [16:54] also, is there a way to pass -j3 to sbopkg's 'make'? [16:54] or is that just bad [16:55] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] so LDFLAGS="-L/usr/lib64" is supposed to make gcc prefer lib64 libraries. right? [16:56] dartmouth: edit the slackbuild [16:56] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:57] NaCl, i uninstalled aaa_elflibs ;and now i can not run vncviewer because i miss the libraries: libjpeg.so.62 [16:57] alienBOB: are you there ? [16:57] could you update yuour kde packages , cause the annoying desktop bug is already fixed .... [16:57] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:58] oxiredo_ro: ait... wait.... WTF? [16:58] You unistalled elflibs in order to upgrade it? [16:59] if i wanted to edit individual slackbuilds i wouldn't be using sbopkg :/ [16:59] or anybody did ? [16:59] i tryed to upgrade but i could not;so i uninstalled it and tryed to install the new one [17:00] that't what i like to see. determination! [17:00] dartmouth: sbopkg includes an inline editor [17:00] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:01] but if youre looking for a build parameter to pass liek MAKE='make -j2" then there is nothing of the sort [17:01] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-231.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] oxiredo_ro: What happens if you run "/bin/bash"? [17:02] hmm; nothing.. [17:03] What version of Slackware are you runnin? [17:03] skaro (~skaro@ip68-105-157-72.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:03] Slackware 13.1.0 [17:05] Then WTF were you trying to upgrade elflib? [17:06] Seriously man, why were you trying to upgrade elflibs? [17:06] oxiredo_ro: did you use removepkg.. or like.. delete things? [17:06] Upgrading from -current, prolly [17:07] removepkg [17:07] YOu're fucked. [17:07] :) [17:07] oh [17:07] slakmagi1 (~j@adsl-242-253-101.rmo.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:07] I think we can salvage this though. [17:07] reinstall your system now [17:07] Did you do a clean install of 13.1. [17:08] no; i installed slackware 13.0 [17:08] and use slackpkg upgrade [17:08] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Did you read CHANGED_AND_HINTS.TXT and UPGRADE.TXT [17:08] Nick change: slakmagi1 -> slakmagik [17:08] no [17:09] from now one;i will read them [17:09] slakmagik (~j@adsl-242-253-101.rmo.bellsouth.net) left irc: Changing host [17:09] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Yes, that's mandatory. Backup your /home directory and anything else you can, then re-install from a clean disk. [17:10] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Client Quit [17:10] anyone like to elucidate why make might be insisting upon using /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib64 despite specifying --libdir=/usr/lib64 and LDFLAGS="-L/usr/lib64" ? [17:10] multilib [17:11] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:11] yes, but shouldnt the ldflag option tell it to use lib64 instead? [17:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:11] oh, misread.. sorry [17:12] the file it is complaining about does exist in both lib and lib64, and it is complaining about wrong format [17:12] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [17:12] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:12] same error with alienbob's slackbuild, too [17:12] Alan_Hicks, if is up to make a clean install; before that, can i make a "force" install of aaa_elflibs and see waht happens ? [17:13] hello where can i find log4cxx lib? [17:15] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:15] oxiredo_ro: You shouldn't need to do a force install. [17:15] ok [17:15] oxiredo_ro: upgradepkg --install-new elflibs [17:19] figabo (~figabo@201.165.74.35) left irc: Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/ [17:21] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:22] pnq (asdf@ACA24C45.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:22] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8734465.stm [17:22] Action: powtrix votes for html5 [17:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:28] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:32] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] slackytude (~slacky@f051071027.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] uhh this is ridiculus [17:33] slackytude (~slacky@f051071027.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:33] I donno but to have fastly new libraries I would have to upgrade to amd phonon or something. [17:34] ah well finally got qingy working if anyone is interested, needed to diable x11 and png support in directfb to get it to compile on slackware 13.1 [17:34] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [17:34] what is qingy [17:34] its a getty replacement [17:35] supports multiple X sessions [17:35] like TwinView ? [17:35] its basically a login manager [17:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] oh i don't need one of those. [17:35] botnet: getty doesn't support one X session. I doubt a replacement would support 2 [17:35] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/ uhh who does have the newest svn libraries of kde ? [17:36] but i do need getty's would this replace it and how is it better? [17:36] i mean, adaptr, that instead of needing mulitple xinitrc files, and modifying startx, i can launch any number of X sessions on the same tty that i log in on [17:36] btw wouldn't be nice to run a fast server which would automatically download source and build desired kde packages ? [17:36] botnet: so it simply backgrounds startx and gives you a new env [17:36] http://qingy.sourceforge.net/ [17:36] paul424 instead of putting all that energy into bitching why not go do the things you're asking for? [17:37] mancha: since i rarely use the text console, its easier/quicker for me to use qingy [17:37] uhh for me its about 3 hours of compiling ... too long ... [17:37] slim :) [17:37] adaptr: not really, it just provides a textual menu for launching startx using any of a number of xinitrc files [17:37] paul424 i prefer you spend 3 hours compiling than having to spend 3 hours listenig to you bitch :) [17:38] ta!! mancha [17:38] ahoy MLanden [17:38] as in, i log in with qingy, and i get a list of available X sessions to choose from, then the choses session is launched on that tty, rather than defaulting to tty7 and rather than relying on one xinitrc for managing the session [17:39] so a "screen" of sorts for X sessions [17:39] i liek it in anycase, so i am pleased its working [17:39] mancha, yeah, pretty much [17:39] in theory at least [17:39] where you can attach an X session to your current display/tty [17:39] yes [17:40] nachox (~Ignacio@201.216.213.17) joined ##slackware. [17:42] oxiredo_ro (~dumped@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:42] w4lk (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] wirechief-live (wirechief@unaffiliated/wirechief) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [17:43] what happens if you don't boot to a graphical login? does init call qingy? [17:44] yes, you need to edit /etc/inittab [17:44] you mean like to the framebuffer? [17:44] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:44] i dont boot to graphical login, i use qingy's text-mode which launches n place of getty [17:44] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [17:45] so init calls qingy..neat. [17:45] say you don't startx, what is your console? some fb thing? [17:45] and how does it work with kms? [17:46] mancha: "some framebuffer thing" ? how about the normal linux console ? [17:47] oh, have any of you folks had ghost flash plugins? i replaced the libflashplayer.so and so now addons shows both version in ff) [17:47] yes, that can be a framebuffer [17:47] you can log into a standard console the same as an xsession [17:47] and it worked with intel's kms last time i had an intel igpu [17:47] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.94.97) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:47] botnet, which i figure uses some fb interface, be it radeons, intels, or some generic fb, right? how does that jive with kms? [17:48] aha, ok so we know it works with intel's fb :) wonder how it likes radeons [17:48] like i said, it works fine with intel's kms, but i have not tested radeon's [17:49] it shouldnt be a problem, it just uses the existing framebuffer to display its text, [17:49] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [17:49] i'll give it a whirl...i'm curious now. [17:50] what if you boot with vesa? [17:50] w/o framebuffer extensions [17:50] it should not interfere with anything, if getty works on it, qingy should work on it [17:51] solsTiCe (~solsTiCe@ARennes-553-1-108-202.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:51] it does require directfb in order to build though [17:51] slack-o (~tanis@201.86.33.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:52] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.40.108.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:52] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:53] Gorodish (~si@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] danix (~danix@host97-55-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.94.97) joined ##slackware. [17:55] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:55] well i have no idea why the ghost addon is there (the old flashplayer plugin). i can even disableenable it independently from the newer version which actually *is* there [17:56] so i think it is time for a fix with extreme prejudice [17:56] Gorodish (~si@cpe-76-88-151-24.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:57] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) joined ##slackware. [17:57] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:59] tehrabbitt (~tehrabbit@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] curious, any reason a user's home directory would all of a sudden have it's ownership changed to root? [18:01] user XYZ's home dir's ownership is randomly assigned to root and user XYZ can't start kde, nor can they make or modify files? [18:01] no, somethign changed it. what did you run "as root" ? [18:01] worked fine right before the machine shut down improperly [18:02] it's a laptop, battery died during boot right during DHCP lease [18:02] that should not affect a user dir pwnershit [18:03] so, now that you fixed it, does it still revert? [18:03] Perhaps there is a chmod +R ... command in /root/.bash_history [18:03] um *chown [18:03] lemme check [18:03] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] "chown -R user:group" for recursive in the users home directory [18:03] or a broken slackbuild was run [18:04] yeah sounds to me like a bad slackbuilds [18:04] anyway, it was something YOU did, as root. [18:04] maybe run after an "su" not and "su -" [18:04] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [18:04] i'm thinking it was a bad slackbuild [18:04] hey guys [18:04] and it didn't change dirs before doing its pwnership mojo [18:05] the only ownership change was the one I did back to my user [18:05] though I do see a "chmod u+x *" quite a few times in there [18:05] say is 2.6.33.4 a good kernel or anyone have other versions they like better? I'm using the -smp I compiled and I ripped a lot out but boy it's really slow booting and even running only OpenBox they system isn't as snappy as I'd like [18:05] those are the slackbuild chmod's [18:06] i guess the solution is to just do all my slackbuilds in a separate directory away from my /home directory lol [18:06] though you should not see that in the history [18:06] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:06] root@bastet:/home/rabbott# more /root/.bash_history | grep chmod [18:06] chmod u+x * [18:06] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:08] does bash4 log all commands, even from subshells? [18:09] not sure, how can I check? [18:09] dunno, make a bash script and put: echo "hello" in it. [18:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:10] then sh script.sh and see if the echo's in the history [18:10] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:11] it shouldn't - which means something else is up... [18:11] nope not in the history [18:12] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] oh d'oh [18:12] the slackbuilds I used were the Orbit2, gconf, and google-chrome slackbuilds from slackbuild.org [18:12] why are we concerned with chmod anyways? isn't it ownership you are worried about? [18:12] correct [18:13] so who cares about chmod u+x * [18:13] the user's ownership and group both went to root / root [18:13] there's no chown in the history though [18:13] so anyone like anything better then 2.6.33.4? [18:13] ok then, back to the slackbuilds theory. i am confused, why you post the chmod? trying to confuse us? [18:13] bgs100 (57o9@gateway/shell/57o9.org/x-rwpfazxzifthafkb) joined ##slackware. [18:14] no, that's the only thing I saw with "ch" in front heh [18:14] what app's permission is being changed? [18:15] j0z_ (mp3@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:15] teh, i bet it was that, and i bet it was a script you interrupted midway with a ^C maybe [18:15] macha: could it have been a bootup script that I interrupted by the laptop dying? [18:15] that sounds less likely [18:16] because it seems to work fine as soon as I changed ownership back to my user [18:16] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.205) joined ##slackware. [18:16] i doubt it was a bootup script (though in theory i guess it could be). [18:17] also, i doubt it will happen again (on its own) unless you repeat what you did in the first plce which i bet was interrupting a build script [18:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:17] i'm just trying to think because that's the only thing that changed since I last used it [18:19] does lilo need Device mapper support compiled in the kernel? [18:19] no [18:20] ok not sure why lilo complains then if you don't have it compiled in [18:20] if I don't have it lilo complains device-mapper missing [18:20] I read this might be a lilo bug is all, not sure [18:21] heh [18:21] device mapper in userland you mean [18:21] yeah compile the kernel and leave it out and see what happens :p [18:21] no no [18:21] lilo complains everytime that the device mapper is missing [18:22] you are confusing things (i think) [18:22] lilo the program depends on device-mapper (the program) [18:22] mancha: the only other question I have is why wifi is still very slow, even after 2 complete reinstalls, and well, wifi works (obviously) but will sometimes take 5-10 min for a page to load whereas when I'm plugged into ethernet it's 2-3 seconds [18:23] I'm not confusing anything like I said compile your kernel and leave it out and you'll see that when you run /sbin/lilo to update it, it spits back and error complaining that the device mapper is missing [18:24] I compiled 2.6.33.4-smp and left out device-mapper then when I ran lilo it complained about it, so I compiled it back in as a mod and lilo didn't complain anymore [18:25] after I did a full install of 13.1, I KDE3 will not run after I ran and uninstalled KDE4 [18:25] dchmelik, opting qt3? [18:25] Xgates: I'm using LVM for my 13.1 install, but I did not try putting kernels in LVM, those are still on a physical partition's filesystem. [18:26] I installed all the packages from osuosl, including qt3. I know much of which packages need what to run. [18:26] mancha: it will complain like this: http://pastebin.com/hxSMcHub [18:26] asarch (~asarch@187.132.135.214) joined ##slackware. [18:26] rob0: I don't get what you're trying to tell me sorry.... [18:26] I don't use lvm [18:27] can i haz lilo.conf ? [18:27] this happened before when I uninstalled KDE4... apparently it leaves some files behind [18:27] actually the error was KDE3 could not find fbdev [18:28] Xgates, I don't get what the problem is, then. [18:28] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:28] tehrabbitt impossible to answer your question. there are infinitely many reaons for slow wifi [18:28] mancha: http://pastebin.com/N8vDB6vx [18:28] No, lilo does not need device mapper in the kernel. [18:28] mancha: any good place to start looking? lol [18:29] well it certainly complains when I don't compile it in, that's all I can say... [18:29] change channels [18:29] tehrabbitt, iwconfig(8) [18:30] Deutschland|Roin (~florian@p5B2BC678.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [18:30] tehrabbitt the first thing i would do is see what the quality of the connection is, SNR. [18:31] does anyone know where can i find libapr for slackware [18:31] aight. [18:31] apr [18:31] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:31] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [18:31] both apr and apr-utils providfe that lib. in fact, they probably collide [18:33] okay im new in slackware if i cannot find in slackbuild website, i download source from the official site and build it by myself rite? [18:33] noname, you could get sbopkg [18:33] noname: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [18:34] both apr and apr-util are in slackware officially [18:34] actually you are right though [18:34] get them from the dvd or a mirror [18:34] oh yeah, stuff might be in the distro [18:35] Xgates it seems it is a bug with lilo then, you should not need the device mapper infrastructure in the kenrel. [18:36] tehrabbitt (~tehrabbit@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:36] w4lk (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:36] if you can ignore the error and things work then forget it, if they don't work then it's more troubling...though i don't know what can be done, lilo is unmaintained, innit? [18:36] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:36] tehrabbitt (~tehrabbit@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] lilo depends on libdevmapper though.. [18:37] wait I didn't quit 0_o [18:37] sigh [18:37] but first time ive seen whats been pasted [18:40] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [18:42] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:44] how can i disable touchpad tapping? [18:44] amputate fingers [18:44] anyone ever hear of sigc++-2.0? [18:44] yeah its in SBo [18:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:45] libsigc++ [18:45] synclient [18:45] Action: paul424 is still bitching [18:45] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:45] bitch in #kde [18:45] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426490.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:45] ah aight [18:45] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:46] ok i am now officially confuzzled about lilo and device-mapper [18:46] going to investigate this! [18:46] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-204914.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:47] I get dm warnings from lilo too, but I know they're harmless, since my kernels are on a regular partition. [18:47] noname, xorg or hal/udev? [18:48] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] my touchpad is not in xorg.conf [18:49] get (~isix-os@unaffiliated/get) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:49] and i dont know hal/udev [18:49] mancha: ok I thought it was a bug, well I'm recompiling I'll try again, maybe time to just use grub [18:50] lilo isn't maintained anymore? [18:50] get (~isix-os@devel.isix-os.org) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [18:50] grub is, but that didnt make any difference [18:50] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [18:50] noname: what type of touchpad do you have? a synaptics? [18:51] ah ok, so it warns even if there's no need for logical volumes.. [18:51] Must I re-install everything just to use KDE3? [18:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] yes [18:51] noname: it's easy to disable if you're using synaptics [18:51] its synaptics [18:51] Xgates, lilo must compile in dm/lvm2 support if the files are there, which they are for pat's build. [18:51] Xgates is compiling a kernel to get rid of a harmless warning? [18:52] and then when the devices aren't there cause you didnt' include the modules in your kernel then lilo (incorrectly) beeps [18:52] dchmelik, slack 13 had kde3 packs [18:52] noname: something like 'synclient TapButton1=0' should do it [18:52] thx [18:52] well it doesn't quite come across as harmless when something is complaining something is missing, let's not make light of the situation.... [18:52] which as rob0 said, is harmless. and how often do you run lilo anyways? [18:52] lilo is still maintained, last I looked. Nothing wrong with grub, but here in Slackwaria people tend to be more fluent in lilo. [18:52] dchmelik, I would NOT try them on 13.1. you could re-install 13.0 and stick to that for awhile, though [18:53] rob0: no I'm not simply compiling to get rid of something... [18:53] I will just wait for ones for 13.1 [18:53] noname: do 'synclient -l' to see what you can change. [18:53] also, adding device mapper support in the kenrel is a good option, that allows dm-passthrough encryption which is the choice method these days whole-disk or whole-partition encryption [18:53] I'm worried though, if the lilo warnings bother you, what about the gazillions of gcc warnings from the new kernel compile? :) [18:53] dchmelik, there is a good chance Pat might not create them for 13.1 [18:53] lilo's not seen a release since 2008 though [18:53] or was it 2007? [18:54] lilo's pretty mature ... probably nothing needs done. [18:54] mancha: yeah but then you need to add support for 2TB also, because you are adding in raid support, which I see as pointless if you don't need it, just more that's not needed [18:54] i think the project's dead [18:54] Xgates, you can have DM w/o raid support [18:54] the homepage is unreachable for more than a year (lilo) [18:55] noname: but tapping should be disabled by default if you have touchpad keys. that's the case with slackwar at least [18:55] What about grub 1? Is that still maintained, or is the world moving to grub2? [Yuck.] [18:55] grub1 is also dead [18:55] i have touchpad keys [18:56] it is maintained insofar as distro's seem to be patching it, but not beyond that [18:56] That is sad, then. We need a sane bootloader, and grub2 is not. [18:56] but i guess it does not use synclient because it gives this error No protocol specified [18:56] Failed to connect to X Server. [18:56] noname: really weird.. I've installed slack on a number of laptops with synaptics touchpads and tapping is always disabled by default [18:56] mancha: yes what I mean is that you need to enable it like this --- [*] Multiple devices driver support (RAID and LVM) ---> and for some reason just doing that causes you to have to add in 2TB block support [18:56] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [18:57] at least it seems like it is because if I didn't add in the 2TB support I couldn't boot the kernel [18:57] rob0: what ya mean we need a sane bootloader? [18:57] noname: you're using synclient with root? [18:57] sane? [18:58] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-113-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [18:58] yes thx [18:58] well don't [18:58] don't use root [18:58] dchmelik, have heard that the kde3 project has been forked to project named trinity http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ [18:58] neat [18:59] mako-sama i guess i need to do this after every boot is it correct? [18:59] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:59] is there a way to make it so after i make slackpkgs it builds the tgz into the current directory rather than /tmp? [19:00] tehrabbitt: OUTPUT=/path/you/want [19:00] I hope trinity will be included as a wm in future Slackware [19:00] (assuming SBo slackbuilds) [19:00] where do I put OUTPUT? [19:00] i doubt trinity will live long [19:00] Xgates, i am not sure i follow [19:01] noname: just put the command in your DE startup script [19:01] Raid support and DM support are independent [19:01] rob0, i mean like, where can I default the output for current dir? [19:01] KDE3 is still the superior GUI [19:01] which is? [19:01] i refer to BLK_DEV_DM [19:01] noname: you use KDE? [19:01] yes [19:01] mancha: for some reason just by ticking [*] Multiple devices driver support (RAID and LVM) ---> I believe causes that you have to also enable support fo 2TB in block devices [19:02] well from what I see lilo is still being maintained [19:02] holy crao [19:02] i am not talking about raid support! [19:02] Xgates: whats that you are seeing? [19:02] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/lilo/ [19:02] true,sahko...if it's qt3..now,if it has been recoded to use qt4,maybe [19:02] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:02] all i said up above was that dm support wasn't a bad thing to want in your kernel since it allows passthrough encryption [19:03] tehrabbitt: one of your shell startup files, perhaps? /root/.bashrc ? I wouldn't use OUTPUT=$PWD though, I keep mine in a distinct directory. [19:03] then you started rambling about 2TB support which is totally irrelevant :) [19:03] mancha: I'm just saying that if you CLICK the Main Menu section [*] Multiple devices driver support (RAID and LVM) ONLY that, then you need to enable in the block devices to have support for 2TB that's all I'm saying... [19:03] got it? [19:03] yeah eccept i don't care what happne shwn you clikc random things [19:03] MLanden: not by 1-2 persons. even if its their job [19:03] noname: then create a new file, put '#!/bin/sh' in the first line then the command I gave you earlier in the 2nd line. save the file and put in ~/.kde/Autostart/ and make it executable (chmod +x) [19:04] it has nothing to do with what i said but when i said what i said you responded tat [19:04] rob0, aight, so i could put it for /packages for instace? [19:04] it's like me saying "i like vanilla ice cream" and you responding "the birds chirp more in the spring" [19:04] BUT if you want devicve mapper you have to enable this menu in order to enable devicve mapper and THEN you have to enable support for 2TB drives even though you are not using raid this was the other point I was trying to make [19:04] untrue [19:04] noname: that way KDE will take care of setting up your touchpad everytime you login [19:04] sahko, true [19:04] okay [19:04] thank u [19:05] like i said, now the 3rd time, dm support is independent of raid/lvm [19:06] ok well let me try to boot my new kernel I left out the device mapper and 2tb support and see if it boots because when I had the device mapper in and I didn't enable the 2tb support I couldn't boot it and I don't know what else in the kernel is going to force me to have to have 2tb support other then raid and lvm stuff [19:06] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Xgates: nice. some debian user/developer revived lilo 6 days ago [19:06] hi all [19:07] mancha: I know you don't need raid I'm just talking about simply enabling the main menu to get to the device mapper is causing you then to have to have 2TB support is all I'm saying [19:07] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [19:07] looks to me more like hosting the source file, i don't see indication of further development [19:07] and if it's not then I don't know why the kernel wants me to have 2tb support [19:07] i have CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND enabled in kernel, but powertop still complains/advices that i should activate this option, what can be the reason? [19:07] well for what Wikipedia is worth it's still showing it was being maintained [19:08] they have a different definition than i do then :) [19:08] sahko: whatever it's suppose to me it says: Registered: 2010-06-06 [19:08] that was just a few days ago... [19:08] hmm [19:08] to me/mean.... [19:08] brb [19:08] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [19:09] yeah thats what i said [19:09] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-139-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:10] Xgates, dm supoort needs md support but md should not force you to have 2tb support [19:11] note the *should* [19:11] what's the best graphical torrent program for slack? [19:11] I'd say that grub 1 was my favorite bootloader, but DOS+loadlin was pretty cool too. But I just stick with lilo because it's simple and it's what Slackware comes with. [19:11] like is there anything similar to utorrent? [19:12] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [19:12] tehrabbitt, transmission is pretty nice [19:12] transmission++ [19:12] is wakeup time of 230 pro 10 seconds, which powertop shows, bad/too much? [19:13] transmission? aight [19:13] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [19:14] OH, interesting http://lists-archives.org/debian-devel/159239-re-2-lilo-removal-in-squeeze-or-please-test-grub2.html [19:14] transmission++? [19:15] TClayton (~tony@nc-76-3-102-108.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:15] isn't azureus/vuze still going strong? I use torrents alot but that one was pretty good when I tried it [19:15] s/i use/i don't use/ [19:15] artvmobile (~zsirc@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] transmission is a better choice [19:15] tehrabbitt: i always use deluge [19:16] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Quit: "night all - cool... look forward to reading bash quotes to laugh meself to sleep" [19:17] sahko: for me, plain-old-python bittorrent or bittornado is better.... aria2 if i'm using torrents on my (old) laptop [19:17] TClayton (~tony@nc-76-3-102-108.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] http://lists-archives.org/debian-devel/159131-lilo-removal-in-squeeze-or-please-test-grub2.html [19:18] azureus can be a bit java heavy [19:18] mako-sama: that doesnt count as downloading torrents. those clients cant be used in any private tracker. in many neither does azureus [19:19] I don't know anything about private trackers [19:19] nor I care.. :P [19:19] that makes 2 of us:) [19:19] botnet, deluge? [19:19] its a torrent client [19:20] Buuntu (Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:21] is there a profile file for each user i want to export some libraries [19:21] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:21] or do i need to change /etc/profile? [19:24] noname: what do you want to do exactly? each user should be able to do his own configuration without messing with /etc/profile, that file contains the defaults and users should be able to overrid those [19:24] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] i want to export some libs [19:25] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] rafu (~slackrunn@77.53.11.107) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:25] xerces-c 3.1 [19:25] net install takes fsck'ing forever [19:26] artvmobile (~zsirc@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:26] tehrabbitt (~tehrabbit@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:27] i wonder whats the debian policy on 'becoming upstream' [19:28] tuvok302Lappy (~tuvok302@S0106002215fa1b79.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:28] sahko: why worry about debian? [19:30] pnq (asdf@ACA2A956.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] its in the same ecosystem as me [19:31] So, I don't get to beneift from dual cores when I'm programming much, but when I'm building SlackBuilds...:-) [19:32] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:34] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] I have the 2nd core turned off most of the time as well... trying to save electricity :| [19:37] mwnn` (~user@59.92.128.86) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:38] mwnn (~user@59.96.33.115) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:38] Hoogin (hoogin@195-50-219-246-rdsl.est.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [19:39] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:41] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [19:41] tehrabbitt (~tehrabbit@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] hey guys [19:41] hey Xgates [19:41] say how can you remove ext4 huge_file feature? [19:42] umount /boot [19:42] tune2fs -O ^huge_file /dev/sda1 [19:42] fsck /dev/sda1 [19:42] I do not know I don't use ext4 [19:42] nvision (~nvision@g225053218.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:43] I've never seen till now that this has been enabled by default, I've used ext4 since it came out and it was never enabled by default now it is :( [19:43] isw (~i@c-67-181-224-97.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:43] errrrrrr [19:43] Oh [19:43] Xgates: [19:44] Xgates: You figured out wicd? [19:44] yeah it's working [19:45] Xgates: What did you do? [19:45] And what NIC do you have? Intel? [19:45] anyone know how to disable the huge file feature in ext4 [19:45] I had something turned on my router that blocked me so it was my mistake [19:45] I overlooked it because I don't normally mess with it [19:46] %) [19:50] botnet (~botnet@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:51] asarch (~asarch@187.132.135.214) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:52] say how can I boot slack as read only? I'm going to change ext4 [19:52] Xgates: maybe you should boot from the install dvd? [19:53] Xgates: and edit the attributes of the fs after? [19:53] Nick change: johndee -> johndee_zzz [19:54] ok so I boot the cd then I have to mount it, so the only mount cmd I know is this, but that's not ro 'mount /dev/sda3 /mnt -t ext4' [19:54] change -t to -ro? [19:55] Nick change: johndee_zzz -> johndee [19:55] oh wait the boot option 'hugesmp.so /dev/sda2 rdinit= ro will work? [19:58] You're quite confused. Yes, "ro" on the kernel command line causes the kernel to mount the rootfs read-only, but it will not STAY read-only. In mount(8) (a man page, look at it sometime!) "ro" is an option under the "-o" switch. [19:59] i will make the jump to ext4 across the board at some point - still scared [19:59] i also wanna play some with btrf :) [19:59] IIUC what you want to do, you might be able to accomplish it from single user mode, boot with a command like "hugesmp.s root=/dev/sda2 ro single". [19:59] *btrfs [20:00] ok thanks [20:00] brb [20:00] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:00] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [20:01] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] I will not hold my breath for this. :) [20:01] slack-o (~tanis@201.86.33.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:02] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:03] paul424 (~chatzilla@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431] [20:04] GArik (~wesnoth@89.179.149.121) joined ##slackware. [20:04] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:05] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:05] scary... [20:06] darkwurm: what? [20:07] The Xgates conversation heh [20:08] darkwurm: heh [20:08] just doing some research on that debian lilo thing .... lol @ debian folk [20:09] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Hi, it's strange. youtube is not playing any sound for me despite being maxed in volume. [20:09] All of my sound works. I can play music, etc, just dunno whats up. Are you guys having the same prob with youtube? [20:09] WildWizard: lilo scares them. [20:09] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [20:10] rob0: did you say 'hugesmp.s root=/dev/sda1 ro single? [20:10] riza, workin' for me [20:10] Hm.. :( What's wrong with me then? [20:10] riza, if you do something like 'echo dkjhsdsjahd > /dev/dsp' does it make a click sound? [20:11] riza, which version of flash are you using? 10.0.5x or 10.1 [20:12] dive, nope I don't hear anything. [20:12] MLanden, I don't remember.. the thing is... it just happened just out of nowhere. [20:12] does it sound it's being used or some other similar error? [20:12] riza: did you try restarting firefox? [20:12] Of course mrpwnage. [20:12] slackytude|evil (~slacky@g227016243.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:12] dive, no error. [20:13] hmm [20:13] dive, there's no sound but I can play music. [20:13] riza: okay, sometimes flash borks for me and i have to restart [20:13] got the alsa-oss modules loaded? [20:13] riza: 32 or 64 bit? [20:14] 32. [20:14] dive, I forget how to check. [20:14] riza, lsmod | grep snd | grep oss [20:14] riza: yeah, you need oss modules loaded [20:14] or just lsmod | grep oss [20:15] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] riza: lsof |grep -i snd will show you what is using your sound devices also [20:15] I see them loaded. [20:15] rob0: you still in? [20:15] Yorugua (~decoder@186.19.151.229) joined ##slackware. [20:16] hi [20:16] slackytude (~slacky@f051071027.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:16] pnq (asdf@ACA2A956.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:17] x-ip_ (~x-ip@190.139.233.123) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:17] Ooh strange, maybe I need to reinstall flash or something. [20:17] Even cnn doesn't work. [20:17] anyone know how I can boot Slack in ro so I change ext4? [20:17] But it's just firefox. [20:17] riza: i suggest getting flash 10.1 release canidate [20:17] I've completed closed and opened a completely new session of firefox, not sure what the problem is. [20:17] Sec. [20:18] riza: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html [20:18] Yorugua (decoder@186.19.151.229) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [20:18] | | | | |-- flash-player-plugin.tar.gz [20:18] | | | | `-- install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz [20:19] Looks like the latest is installed too. [20:19] riza: strike that. looks like 10.1 is finallu released [20:19] I have 10 but I'm not sure 10.1 is going to make a difference. [20:19] http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/ [20:19] Buuntu (~Buuntu@cable-47-149.sssnet.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] of course you are not sure. you haven't tried it yet [20:20] did you do lsof |grep -i snd? [20:22] Ya. [20:22] so what is hogging the sound? [20:23] Just kmix and knotify4. [20:23] so if you kill those two things does sound in firefox still not work? [20:24] Eh how do I kill them again? [20:24] well it won't be kmix but knotify hogs sound [20:24] killall knotify4 is one way, or kill PID [20:24] or pkill knotify4 [20:25] Nope. [20:25] Killed it and opened up a new firefox, no change. [20:26] have you tried running alsaconf? [20:27] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Ran it just now. [20:27] No dough. [20:28] ? [20:28] it found the sound card correct? [20:28] Yes. [20:28] what type card is it? [20:28] My sound has always work. [20:28] ed [20:28] Same with firefox, it has always worked. It literally just stopped working today now. [20:28] did you do any updates? [20:29] No. [20:29] anyone know how I can boot Slack in ro so I change ext4? [20:30] Xgates, uh boot init to single user mode. [20:30] Harmful advice warning. [20:30] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] I thought single user still mounts the partitions [20:31] that it's only ro for the fs but then rw [20:31] if you do not want to mount anything you boot from the install disc [20:31] Yep, a live CD. [20:32] Oh Gawd this is horrifying, no sound. [20:32] riza: the install disc isn't *quite* a live CD [20:32] nyRednek, Oh no, I meant use one like a Gentoo live CD or something. [20:32] yeah I'm going to boot from the cd but then how would I make a change to ext4 on my partition mount it as ro or run a cmd to the /dev/? [20:33] riza: the slackware install dvd or cd1 are sufficient [20:33] Xgates: what type changeS? [20:33] Xgates: you do not want to mount it if you plan to resize [20:33] Yeah none of my browser can listen to sound on flash related videos. [20:33] remove the huge file support --- tune2fs -O ^huge_file /dev/sda3 [20:33] Sigh, time to upgradepkg then. [20:34] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.74.80.64) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:34] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [20:35] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-113-249.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [20:35] I don't think I can just boot the slack cd and run that cmd [20:35] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.205) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:36] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:36] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:37] mrpwnage: can I just boot the cd then run that cmd? [20:37] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] ercula (~ercula@174-20-111-177.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] nyRednek, just saying. :) [20:38] Xgates, you should be able to. [20:38] ok let me try [20:39] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] God, what an imperialist. [20:39] riza: imperialist? [20:40] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [20:40] does anyone know whether there is an available log4j package for slackware [20:40] nyRednek, xD [20:41] riza: not sure i understand you [20:41] noname, try awstats as alternative? [20:41] nyRednek, was referring to something. Joke but I don't feel like explaining it. [20:41] nyRednek, what part of NY you in anyway? I'm in NY too. [20:41] riza: the 5th borough [20:41] awstats? [20:42] Razec (~razec@187.34.20.65) joined ##slackware. [20:43] nyRednek, Long Island? :) [20:43] noname, I believe it does what log4j does too. [20:43] riza: kiss my ass [20:43] nyRednek, why? [20:43] nyRednek, why the hostility? [20:43] riza: you know why [20:43] I don't. [20:43] riza: name the five boroughs [20:44] You kidding me, why would I do that now? [20:44] riza: either you're irritating me on purpose or out of ignorance [20:44] nyRednek, most likely out of ignorance as I have no idea who you are or wtf you are being irritated about. [20:45] riza: the five boroughs: mahnattan, bronx, brooklyn, queens, staten island [20:45] Yes yes. [20:45] I know. [20:45] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:46] yet you named "Long Island", that's usually a comment that alludes to staten island belonging to jersey [20:46] I often mix up Staten Island with Long Island because I travel by subway often and keep thinking of LIRR. [20:47] Dur, just the first thing that comes up in my mind. [20:47] Nick change: el_lobo--d-_-b -> juangvp [20:47] too bad there aren't any hunting seasons on this island, the deer are getting overpopulated [20:48] then again, the NYPD would go nuts if the city authorized men to go around the island with high-powered rifles [20:48] It's rare for a redneck to appear around NY, what state are you from originally? [20:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:49] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.88.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:49] nachox (~Ignacio@201.216.213.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:50] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.130.17) joined ##slackware. [20:50] riza: arkansas [20:50] I see. [20:50] Also, upgrading to the latest flash in slackbuild didn't help. ;_; [20:51] berke (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:52] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] hi everyone, I am on slcakware64 13.1 and having trouble with a slackbuild script, I am trying to install wxsvg from slackbuilds and the script just fails without a specific error, just make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1, I am using ARCH=x86_64 ./wxsvg.Slackbuild, anyone have any hints as to what I am doing wrong? [20:53] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.74.80.64) joined ##slackware. [20:55] its really strange because it makes it all the way through the configure and into the build process when it fails [20:57] chasmo77 (~chas@69.4.142.194) joined ##slackware. [20:57] chasmo77 (~chas@69.4.142.194) left irc: Quit: this is not a .sig [20:59] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:01] hmm, it looks like the author forgot to include some files [21:03] Nick change: juangvp -> el_lobo--d-_-b [21:03] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:04] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:04] trying to install from source now [21:04] GArik (~wesnoth@89.179.149.121) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:05] berke, that usually work. [21:05] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] its looking good so far [21:05] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Looks like I'm not the only one with this problem. [21:05] http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/slackware-linux-help/48278-firefox-flash-no-sound.html [21:05] when building from source what do I prefix the configure script with to change the arch? [21:06] your flash sound is not working riza? [21:06] damn, get the same error building from source [21:06] berke, nope. Out of nowhere too. It worked prior 6PM EST. It's about 9PM now. [21:06] So basically it just happened out of nowhere. I'm on 13.0. [21:06] Guest85862 (~gary@c-75-70-74-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:06] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:06] using kde? [21:07] Yes. [21:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:07] i think i recall something about it being the sound server crashing, some conflict with amarok but I cant remember exactly [21:08] Might be, or permission related. [21:09] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:11] log out of kde get this irksome dbus message in terminal slk-13.1 [21:13] Alabarda (~david@189.11.214.34) left irc: Quit: Saindo [21:14] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [21:17] alright this is the 4th build script I have tried from slackbuilds that doesnt work, something is going on over there [21:18] berke: i've never had an issue with the slackbuilds themselves [21:18] berke: maybe it's a user error? [21:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:19] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: as the darkness closes in around me I wonder was there ever light [21:19] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:20] pnq (asdf@ACA2A956.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] it could be user error but i doubt it, I have compiled hundreds of slackguilds, literally, and I have never ever seen them fail in the compile step, they always fail in the configure step [21:21] berke: i've seen it happen, which slackbuilds? [21:21] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/libraries/wxsvg/ [21:21] ok, not familiar with that one [21:22] and source fails to compile too, and googleing reveals its an error the author forgot to include some files, but the configure script should catch that, so either way its a bad slackbuild [21:23] berke: maybe fix the slackbuild? [21:23] and Ive found a couple that way today, most of them by ponce [21:23] and now transcode wont compile either [21:23] berke: did you su using "su -"? [21:24] i could possibly fix them, but would prefer it if there was a little quality control at the source so I didnt have to [21:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:24] of course [21:24] berke: well, slackbuild archives are technically not source [21:25] but they are a portal, and I was speaking figuratively [21:25] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.33.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:26] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-63-122.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] hi MLanden [21:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:26] berke (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:26] heya,hitest...how's your Sunday evening going? [21:27] MLanden: my evening is progressing nicely, thank you:) how are you doing? [21:28] hitest, it's goin' great thanks [21:33] i was going to suggest he fix it, and take over the maintenance [21:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:38] what's the error? [21:38] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:38] Gah. So does anyone know what's up? Why firefox + flash = no sound even though everything else on my pc has sound? And even though I have always had sound but just not now? [21:39] other things still have sound? [21:39] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Yes. [21:39] Everything but fireefox + flash. I even upgraded flash to see if it would help. [21:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:41] what is different between it working before and now? [21:42] only flash has no sound? [21:43] reinstall the .so for starters? [21:43] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:48] lol [21:48] shonudo, scroll up, I already did that. [21:48] mancha, before 6PM EST, I had sound, everything was good. After 6PM, no sound. For no reason. [21:48] Just like that. [21:48] oops, sorry riza [21:48] i came late [21:49] riza, can't happen just like that with no change. if you reboot still no sound? [21:49] Reboot huh... [21:49] I... I shall try that. Brb. [21:49] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [21:50] i hate the "it just happened" situations it attacks my personal philosophy! :) [21:50] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] the reboot will take care of alsa... may be the fix [21:50] mancha: there typically *is* no "it just happened" [21:51] agreed [21:51] and just with flash sounds odd [21:51] yeah, but if it fixes it i wana know what happened :) [21:51] mancha: something changes, that the person doesn't think signifigant [21:51] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:51] mancha: i've been there [21:51] noname (~noname@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:51] and also help riza understand it so it does't happen to him/her again [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FF06.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.135) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:52] mancha: i have tried to stop saying, "it just happened"...a better is, "i don't know what caused this" [21:53] nyRednek yep thats pretty smart [21:53] wonder if the variable FLASH_ALSA_DEVICE got bonked..that is if firefox 3.5.3 and flashplugin 10.1 uses it [21:53] because yo uare right, it is something happening that the user is not aware of or doesn't consider important [21:53] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.17) joined ##slackware. [21:54] oxiredo_ro (~dumped@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [21:54] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:55] goj (~goj@p4FE6AA32.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:55] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:55] notknub (~fuckyou@helios.xin.lu) joined ##slackware. [21:55] hi [21:55] Okay so it works again. :) [21:55] mwnn`` (~user@59.92.161.3) joined ##slackware. [21:55] does anyone successfully use googleearth on slackware64 ? [21:55] is it possible to remoteinstall slackware w/o physical access to the box? [21:56] w/o serial console, etc. that is [21:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [21:56] riza, ok, so something got corruptificated... [21:56] why in the **** does wine make notepad.exe my default editor? [21:57] because it thinks you're a windows user that wants decisions like that made for you? [21:57] the million dollar question is what. but the real question is...does it matter enough for us to try to figure out? [21:57] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.33.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:57] mwnn` (~user@59.92.128.86) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:57] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.33.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:57] notknub: now apply that question to any other distro or os. how is that a slackware specific issue? [21:58] riza, my suggestion is we table it. and try to figure it out if it happens again. [21:58] idk. though it's annoying [21:58] notknub: the slackware ncurses based installer is ssh friendly [21:58] mrpwnage, just remove file associations [21:59] mrpwnage: but it doesn't have a built in sshd [21:59] dropbear :) [22:00] mrpwnage: point remains [22:00] it is included [22:00] how much more built in would you like it? [22:00] now that's something i didn't know. when did it get included? [22:00] ;) [22:01] hm, not sure though when it was my first attempt to usi it with 12.2 and that is when I discovered it. [22:01] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [22:01] hey guys [22:01] mancha, how can we table it? What should I do? [22:01] say I had some clock issues now when I run make modules_install I get this: [22:01] sbs` (spookz@CPE0012170da58c-CM00080d961284.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [22:01] slack-o (~tanis@201.22.15.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:01] make[1]: Warning: File `/lib/firmware/radeon/R100_cp.bin' has modification time 3.2e+04 s in the future [22:01] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt2-port-43.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] make[1]: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. [22:02] So I thought I could run /lib/firmware/radeon/R100_cp.bin xargs touch to fix this [22:02] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] riza, what i meant is that we file it away in the "weird problems not worth worrying about" unless it happens again in which case we re-file to "recurring problems we need to solve" [22:02] but I get permission denied running that as root [22:02] Xgates, just "touch /lib/firmware/radeon/R100_cp.bin" doesn't do it? [22:02] Xgates: what exactly did you run? [22:02] ok [22:02] make modules_install [22:03] mancha++ [22:03] so just run it as touch /path/to/file? [22:03] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:03] is there a pdf reader for 64 bit linux that has respectable printing capabilities, like acrobat reader (which isn't available for 64 bit linux) [22:03] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:03] Xgates: yes. what were you trying to do instead? [22:03] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.33.75.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:03] seems like sshd was in 10 also [22:04] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] Nick change: slack-o -> |Slacker| [22:04] MarkT-, try evince? [22:04] MarkT-: multilib + acroread [22:04] I'm just running make modules_install for my kernel [22:04] yuck, try evince [22:04] I tried multilib before... I found that I had some stability issues. [22:04] running "touch /lib/firmware/radeon/R100_cp.bin" didn't work [22:04] MarkT-: that it did, sometimes [22:04] I still get the error about a clock skwew [22:04] skew.... [22:05] Save a tree. Don't print. [22:05] Xgates, did you change your clock settings during the compile or so? [22:05] i hate that i cant even go for pxe install [22:05] wow [22:05] i am going to off myself [22:05] notknub, usb boot support? [22:05] no I rebooted with my /lib/modules moved to .old by mistake and it booted and threw the hardware clock of and I didn't notice now when I run make module_install I get this skew error [22:05] no physical access to box [22:06] clock of/off.... [22:06] out of my league. [22:06] Xgates, is 'date' showing the correct time ? [22:06] yes [22:06] byteframe: sure... when they make a color screen that is as easy to read as regular paper. [22:06] bios correct too [22:06] bate [22:06] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:06] Xgates: i have had that issue before when building from a chroot environment [22:07] sounds like your clock was screwed up before the boot [22:07] no chroot just compiling in /usr/src [22:07] hm [22:07] I could build a slackware.img in a VM [22:07] either way it isn't a huge deal [22:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:07] and then just dd that onto my harddrive [22:07] hm [22:07] a reboot should fix it [22:07] yeah the bios went out and I didn't notice one time [22:07] 3.2e4 seconds.. that's only 8h53m20s. still, quite a jump [22:07] er, no it won't [22:07] I did reboot and that didn't do anything [22:08] then my mistake [22:08] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] does it sync to the bios's cmos battery(if there is one) [22:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [22:08] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:08] Xgates: ntpd to sync? [22:08] yes date is synced as the same [22:08] i think i ended up building with the error, then rebooting and building it again [22:08] Xgates, do just the files in /usr/src/linux-blahblah have funny times ? [22:08] and that 2nd time there was no error [22:08] could always rebuild the offending module [22:09] I don't use ntpd [22:09] now's a good time to start? :) [22:09] thrice`: no the source is fine because I uninstalled and installed a new copy [22:10] if so, something like: ' find /usr/src/ -cnewer /currtime -exec touch {} \;" might fix the stuff in /usr/src [22:10] ahh well the .config I was using has a different time so I just changed it at the top [22:10] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:12] hm, debian has debootstrap [22:12] ahhh well /lib/firmware/ I guess I could just uninstall the kernel-firmware and reinstall it maybe that will help [22:12] is tehre any equivalent to this for slackware? [22:12] Xgates: i don't think you need to for that error. [22:13] well that's where it's complaining against the firmware mod [22:13] Okay thank you mancha and everyone also who attempted to assist. :D [22:13] i have had it happen before and i built the modules, then rebooted and built the remaining modules that the error was about [22:13] First day of new classes tomorrow so good night. [22:13] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [22:14] and that was end of story [22:14] it won't rebuild the good modules so it isn't that time consuming [22:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-16-22.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [22:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:22] hmmm... evince doesn't seem to have a 'print to booklet' option. 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[23:22] what's the decoder used for m4a files? is it libmad? [23:22] ffmpeg [23:22] afaik [23:22] tryin to play an m4a file in audacious... [23:23] Does audacious use gstreamer? [23:23] If so, you need the faad decoder [23:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426490.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:24] don't think it does... but looks like i'll need faac or faad either way [23:25] ah, found the post by theBOB himself [23:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:25] need to install faad [23:26] while it's in my head, have you gotten wine to compile under 13.1-32bit? [23:27] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:27] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:28] m1ck3y (~mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. 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[23:53] weird... i installed faad2, rebuilt audacious, but it still doesn't detect the plugin [23:54] mrpwnage: was trying to build via sbopkg [23:54] I have a laptop connected to an external LCD monitor. How can I make xorg turn only an external LCD minitor on when it is connected? [23:54] m1ck3y (mickey@c-68-40-206-140.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:54] i think you have to use xrandr, but i'm not sure crocket [23:54] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.97.163) joined ##slackware. [23:55] So far I just disabled the laptop monitor, so I have to modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf before using xorg on the laptop monitor. [23:55] i've been trying to figure that out on my gateway too [23:55] Option "Disable" "Yes" [23:55] gateway? [23:55] i have a gateway laptop [23:55] crocket: i believe xrandr may be what you want. [23:56] crocket: i personally have been using the nvidia display settings utility since i have the nvidia binary driver [23:56] i wonder if intel has something similar [23:56] zaltekk, It can't be executed in .xinitrc since it can be executed after X session is completely launched. [23:56] crocket: not sure what you are saying. i run it in kde and change it without restarting x [23:56] I used xrandr in .xinitrc, but it didn't work since an X session was not launched when .xinitrc is launched. [23:57] I want to automate it [23:57] did you try putting it in autostart.sh or whatever it is? [23:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:57] does anyone know where i can find what gdk name, gdkcoke, and scankeycode my arrow keys are? (lol) [23:57] hmm [23:57] zaltekk : Do you manually change the monitor setup after an X session is launched? [23:58] dartmouth: with xev you can know the scankeycode ... [23:58] crocket: yes. [23:58] crocket: what WM do you use? [23:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.69) joined ##slackware. [23:58] I want a script to do that for me while X session is being launched. [23:58] crocket: i sometimes hook my laptop up to a tv through an hdmi cable, so i do it manually when needed. [23:58] xrandr is not capable since it doesn't have an X session yet. [23:58] Necos : KDE + compiz + gtk-window-decorator [23:58] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [23:58] crocket: it would seem like your hal rules can be used for that [23:58] crocket: that's why you launch it from autostart.sh [23:58] :P [23:59] Why is it executed? [23:59] mrpwnage : where are hal rules? [23:59] so when a certain display is plugged in it will cut the other off [23:59] tehrabbitt-2 (~tehrabbit@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] autostart.sh is launched while your WM is started, so you can launch xrandr after X has started [00:00] --- Mon Jun 14 2010