[00:00] im not joking [00:00] oh. wow. [00:00] Uh oh [00:00] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by W|GGL|T!n=all@about/slackware/wigglit [00:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:00] i think i'm lagging [00:00] ##slackware: mode change '-o W|GGL|T' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [00:00] i got a buddy who dealt in HS, and granted i lived in a big city, he is paying for college with it [00:00] That's another thing that's insanely expensive in the states [00:01] can you say 'multiple felony'? [00:01] he paid for freshman year in cash. [00:01] that was pretty sweet. i must say [00:01] I bet that didn't raise any eyebrows. [00:01] lol [00:02] in state tuition is lower, he only paid 10K for freshman year [00:02] http://www.everythingusb.com/tn-games-3rd-space-vest-15326.html [00:02] stumble! upon is rad [00:02] yea i love stumble [00:02] i cant use it though...its too addicting [00:02] yeah they limit me sometimes [00:03] edman007: congrats:) [00:03] yea :D [00:03] nullboy, I would have thought you to be too focused to be using SU of all things! anyway though [00:03] i need a mid sized SSD for a laptop that operates in rugged conditions [00:03] still need to find a job though :( [00:04] davimint (n=test@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] placee: all i do is read [00:04] edman007: be a pharmacist [00:04] if i'm not working i read [00:04] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:04] Cotowar, and drug people? [00:04] I've been working 25+ years......enjoy your free time, edman007 [00:04] hitest, haha [00:04] nullboy, do you read stuff on social-bookmarking sites much? /., hacker news, reddit.prog, etc. etc.? [00:05] stybla (n=stybla@78.110.208.218) joined ##slackware. [00:05] :-) [00:05] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [00:05] nullboy: "if im not working i read" read as (watching porn) [00:05] spring break starts this weekend :D [00:05] edman007: yea, my friend is actually going into pharmacy [00:05] placee: i set it up for all things computer related and similar fields [00:05] s [00:05] q [00:06] Cotowar, well i'm coming out with an EE degree, but so far i'm not getting much...lol, maybe i'll just take one of those stupid Sr PHP dev positions... [00:06] edman007: happy holidays! [00:06] edman007: be a sys admin, you can get FAT stacks doing that [00:06] why installpkg -warn doesnt seem to generate a list of files to be overwriten? [00:06] Cotowar, haha [00:06] Cotowar, like $20? lol [00:06] it seems to just print all the contents of the package [00:06] edman007, stick with it! once you go a little further and things start tying it, it'll be beautiful. [00:07] edman007: thats a lot of pennies. i never said it would be a lot of money, just fat stacks [00:07] interpret as you will [00:07] :P [00:07] i've got nothing against Apple gear but this is hilarious http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/song-chart-memes-apple-compatibility.jpg [00:07] placee, yea, thing is right now most of the jobs in my field are gov contractors...lots of security crap for those things [00:07] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] dissocia1ive: I think that's the expected behavioru [00:08] nullboy: lol [00:08] dissocia1ive: as in "This is what you're about to do to your system, are you sure?" [00:08] well folks, as odb hitest says...enjoy your free time :-/ [00:08] dissocia1ive: aka Vista "Cancel or Allow" [00:09] rawramp (n=rawramp@static-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:09] nullboy: hah hah. [00:09] nullboy, good to know their shit works with alien ships [00:09] lol [00:10] the new ipod shuffle is retarded [00:10] now we know what to use when ET phones from home [00:10] the old ipod shuffle was retarded too [00:10] Cotowar: it was at least useable [00:10] ag3ntugl1, every apple i* retarded [00:10] lol [00:10] +is [00:10] teuche [00:10] placee: wrong nick ;) [00:11] I am as happy as I am unhappy with my ipod touch. I like using it, it's not bad. [00:11] good fucking lord, murphy's law, eh? [00:11] Because * and s are so close to each other on the keyboard. [00:11] But the godforsaken thing has DRM ON THE WIRE. [00:11] i gotta pack and load from the 4th floor in chicago in the morning so it's off to boboland. see ya when i see ya [00:11] i liked the original iPod, with the actual spinning wheel, and the buttons up top and the backlight switch [00:11] I have to keep a copy of xp virtualized just to use the maf'k. [00:11] Action: eviljames shakes his fist in rage [00:12] eviljames: have you looked into react OS? [00:12] open source version of XP [00:12] wineOS [00:12] hi, just upgraded the latest list on current and the scrip from slackbuilds will not build my nvidia driver. Sources don't match any ideas [00:12] hahaha I'd never looked into this before! [00:12] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-129-200.mycingular.net) left irc: "up to my neck in wishin this neck wasn't mine. --> bon scott said that" [00:12] davimint: Check what /usr/src/linux is linking to [00:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [00:13] my cell takes a long time to die [00:13] davimint: or that /usr/src/linux-(kernel version) exists at all (if not install the K/ series) [00:13] Action: superGear compiles his own kernel [00:13] only cause i need the 4GB support i guess [00:14] higher than 4GB RAM support [00:14] heh [00:14] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:14] I actually had to check if I was running a custom kernel or not on this machine .. [00:14] uname -r says 2.6.28.7-smp but my /usr/src says 2.6.28.7 [00:14] superGear: do you have to enable pae? [00:15] davimint: That shouldn't bother it... [00:16] davimint: the source tree dir doesn't have the same name as the running kernel. each kernel has a different local version in the config [00:16] nullboy, mm, why do you part/join so often? due to some irc client annoyance or something? [00:16] http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6365/firewire.jpg [00:16] lol, pi31415 hmmmmm, I'd love to see aftermath pictures on that [00:16] pi31415: nooooooooo! [00:17] nullboy: Oh, for some reason I thought NV would be smart enough to avoid that -smp, but I guess not? [00:17] I saw a coax cable done up like that in real life once [00:17] funny i was just talking about doing that last night [00:17] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:18] if you do that to coax, and plug the wall jack to an outlet, wont you blow every TV in the house? [00:18] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:20] how bad do you think that would affect a switch? [00:20] like do you think it would hurt the attached devices? [00:21] placee: ? [00:21] idono, but I assume it's almost as bad dividing by zero. [00:21] lol [00:21] nullboy, que? [00:21] probably [00:22] nullboy, oh, uhm, nvm about my question, I guess. I was just curious. :) [00:22] that cable could be considered power over ethernet could it not? [00:23] Good night, folks:) [00:23] Action: Cotowar waves goonight to hitest [00:23] Cotowar: poe has a spec [00:23] 'twas a joke [00:23] :) [00:23] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:23] good night hitest. [00:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] literally, it is power over ethernet. 110VAC here in America [00:24] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:24] similarly, could it also be considered powerline networking? [00:24] catchafirenetworking [00:25] lol [00:25] i lit my 555 timer on fire yesterday [00:25] wired the battery backwards on accident, put power to all the wrong parts [00:26] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:27] anyways, im off. goodnight everyone [00:27] hba (n=hba@189.188.159.81) left irc: "leaving" [00:27] good night Cotowar. [00:27] bang! howdy partner [00:28] Nick change: Cotowar -> Cotowar_sleeping [00:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:28] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] no pending sanctioned topics? [00:31] well okay then; http://www.uncrate.com/men/culture/real-estate/michael-vickas-georgia-mansion/ [00:32] lol [00:32] nullboy: Are you going to buy it? :) [00:32] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:32] i need to close my laptop lid [00:32] only 4.1 million. [00:32] Cotowar_sleeping (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:32] davimint (n=test@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:33] oh wait this is more on topic http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/?p=12225 [00:33] besides the theater room, that mansion looks quite beautiful architecturally [00:33] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:34] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] that place is huge [00:34] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [00:34] but this one is way more leet http://www.uncrate.com/men/culture/real-estate/missouri-cave-home/ [00:35] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] rawramp (n=rawramp@static-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) joined ##slackware. [00:39] nullboy: yup. add oc48 and make it a fair distance from the city and it's my dream home. [00:41] nullboy: That HD looks sweet. Could you imagine building a huge cluster with those? [00:42] use a small cluster of those for daily operations and normal HD mirrored online backups [00:43] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [00:44] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.36) left irc: "Leaving." 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[01:04] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:06] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:06] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [01:07] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] anybody have experience getting compiz to work? [01:08] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] bird: some.. but I'm on intel chips so for me it 'just works' [01:09] will i installed it and everything i just dont know if i set it up right [01:09] in the CompizConfig thing it says cube is enabled but it doesnt do it [01:10] nullboy, the nvidia problem was that the slackbuild has not been updated to include a patch for the 2.6.28 kernel [01:10] heh, for me the cube would crash when I would ctrl-alt-click [01:10] bird: So I just enabled desktop wall instead. I found that I only ever used the cube to make people without it jealous. [01:11] my problem is that it doesnt do anything enabled [01:11] like wobbly and all that [01:11] just for reference http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/nvidia-video-driver-problem-in-slackware-12.2-691149/page2.html [01:11] try running "compiz --replace || kwin --replace" at the command prompt [01:11] bird: ^ [01:12] alright [01:12] bird: That will try to run compiz and if it fails it will run kwin [01:14] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:15] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:16] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [01:17] did it explode? [01:17] lol [01:17] yeah x crashed [01:17] damn. Did you get a good error log out of it? [01:17] will not really but froze up [01:18] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:18] where would i get that? [01:19] im going to try again [01:19] A few places might have info. /var/log should have some Xorg.logs, ~/.xsession-errors might have some info [01:19] Philadelphia (n=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] You're sure you did whatever you needed to do in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [01:20] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:20] http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/how_to_tick_people_off.shtml [01:21] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-187-111.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [01:21] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [01:21] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [01:21] andarius: some of those are pretty decent [01:21] for my xorg config all i did was set my radeon driver [01:22] and something else let me find [01:22] hm, there's probably a wiki somewhere that has info about what modifications are needed for ati drivers. I don't really know offhand. 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[01:27] nope [01:27] uva (n=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:27] i play without thinking [01:27] thus i din't lose [01:27] i won a lifetime get out of the game on 4chan [01:27] s/n/dn/ [01:28] Philadelphia (n=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [01:28] Technically the last person to hear about the game wins. [01:29] hey eviljames, yeah the error log is huge, i dont know were to begin [01:29] Philadelphia (n=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] Philadelphia (n=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [01:32] Philadelphia (i=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:33] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:34] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:35] hi, i formatted my harddrive after partitioning it, and put it in the fstab but after rebooting, but cant seem to write anything to it [01:35] and not showing up when doing my df command [01:36] fstab looks like: /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ext3 defaults 0 3 [01:36] what line did you put in your fstab ? [01:36] mm, ok [01:37] running mount manualy, do you get anything? [01:37] sudo mount -a ? [01:37] umm [01:37] no [01:37] What's an xfce way to track network usage in a month? [01:37] mount /media/sdb1 [01:37] I have the netmon plugin, but that's not cumulative [01:38] redtricycle: i dont think xfce has one [01:38] hrm, okay, what's a general way to do it? [01:38] i know a shells cript that will though [01:38] according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /media/sdb1 mount failed [01:38] vnstat and vdstat [01:38] eross: run "mount" by itself [01:38] should show mounted drives and such [01:40] ok it's showing, permission is denied when I try to access it.. [01:40] probably hal mounted it [01:41] from my non-root user [01:41] you need to set ownership and permissions accordingly [01:41] if it's ext3 [01:41] then just chown the directories [01:41] would anyone here happen to run xmonad? any idea where I can get the haskell packages? [01:42] regardless of what it is, if only root has touched it no one else will have permissions unless et [01:42] ok ty [01:42] placee: well you can get hugs98 slackbuild here: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/hugs98/ [01:43] oh, cool, thanks. [01:43] you're welcome [01:43] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] next question - i'm running from a small MLC SSD, so I've read I want to put my home directory on the media I just mounted. Can I just copy my home folder over, or is there more than that to it? 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[01:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@azr252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [01:59] looks like i add a fstab entry for the home directory [02:01] mount the media is a neutral location like /mnt, copy the current /home to it. edit fstab for the new device. unmount the media from /mnt, remove old /home and mount via "mount /home" [02:01] when you copy make sure to use a method that will copy hidden files and so forth with all their permissions intact [02:02] my home is not separately mounted, it's part of /dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 [02:04] you asked for a way to move your home to a new media point. that is what i gave you [02:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:05] unmount what media from /mnt [02:05] 02:01 < andarius> mount the media is a neutral location like /mnt, ... [02:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:07] i appreciate your help, but i am missing something besides a few fried brain cells [02:07] oh mount the old /home directory TO a neutral location? [02:08] no [02:08] Action: andarius runs away :| [02:08] move what currently resides in /home to /mnt/whereverthedriveisnow [02:08] then umount /mnt/whereverthedriveisnow and then mount /dev/Thedrive /home [02:08] then modify fstab so that it mounts /dev/thedrive /home on boot [02:08] oh ok.. [02:09] dont know why it works but will do it [02:09] Wait, don't do it if you don't know why it works. [02:09] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:09] i have 200G partition mounted.. can copy home over w/permissions [02:10] i have a feeling this is a buntu related instace as well... [02:10] ok. so when your system fires up it mounts /dev/sda1 to / [02:10] negatif! pure slackware on a SSD [02:10] then after that it will mount /dev/sda2 to /home [02:10] or, really /dev/sdXX <- depends on your system [02:11] it might even be hdXX [02:11] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:11] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:11] If I'm reading right you were looking for a way to put what is in /home on a separate partition? [02:11] right, but all 200 gigs don't have to be the home directory.. later i can add /usr and maybe /var to it? [02:12] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:12] erm.. no. That won't work. [02:12] There's a heirarchy there. the / folder relative to /dev/sda2 would be like "eross", then after it is mounted it would be /home/eross [02:12] err [02:12] hah that was a bad description. [02:13] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:13] hey [02:13] one also can not safely move /usr on a live system. you will need to boot from a recover/install/live disk to move that [02:13] hey fluxnuk3r. How's it going? [02:13] salutations fluxnuk3r [02:13] Everything relative to /dev/sda2 would be contained in /home. You could maybe put /usr or /usr/local on a separate partition and have a /usr/local/home and have /home link to there [02:14] I'm trying to get xmodmap to work for me.. [02:14] fluxnuk3r: having much luck? [02:14] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:14] have the little cresent moon button on my kbd, keycode 223, want to link it to "sleep" or something of the sorts so that my .awesomerc executes xlock [02:15] tried making a .xmodmaprc with "keycode 223 = sleep" but all it returns is "bad keysym" [02:16] fluxnuk3r: Oh. I have that moon button on my keyboard too. It's labeled user. It doesn't work though, neither does any of my other multimedia keys. [02:16] ok thanks for the info so far, it's making sense slowly [02:16] firebird619, Logitext? [02:16] ccfreak2k: Yup. [02:16] Logitech [02:16] I have the same one. [02:16] Mine is a Cordless Elite Duo. [02:16] mines just the hp keyboard.. [02:16] Amarok worked with the multimedia keys. [02:17] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:17] eross: I know that I'm not explaining this correctly [02:17] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) left irc: "changing servers" [02:17] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) joined ##slackware. [02:17] ccfreak2k: Mine doesn't work with anything. it works out of the box on other distros, but not Slackware. I haven't taken time really to try and set it up. [02:17] im trying to figure out why xev can read it, but xmodmap cant load it [02:18] and it doesnt complain about the keycode, just "Sleep" [02:18] firebird619, when you ran xorgconfig, did you select one of the Logitech keyboards? [02:18] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.154.245.174) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:18] ccfreak2k: I have never ran xorgconfig. I have ran X -configure before. Should I run xorgconfig? [02:18] xorgconfig has more options [02:19] lol, X --configure doesnt really have any.. [02:19] firebird619, definitely. [02:19] so any ideas on my dillemma? [02:19] ccfreak2k: I also have a Microsoft Comfort Wireless Desktop 4000. The multimedia keys have never worked with any distro. [02:19] At keyboard selection pick Logitech iTouch or similar. [02:19] ccfreak2k: Ok, I will give that a try. Thanks. [02:19] firebird619: back up your xorg.conf first... [02:20] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [02:20] You'll also want to have your monitor documentation handy to select vertical/horizontal scan ranges if your video driver doesn't support DDC. [02:20] fluxnuk3r: Yes, I will. I always keep a backup of that because I need a special line in there to get my monitor's native resolution. [02:20] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.71.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:20] yah, my monitor is a pain in the butt too.. [02:21] firebird619, flatscreen? [02:21] nice when its working though.. [02:21] Flatpanel, I mean. [02:21] ccfreak2k: Yeah, I think mine supports that. It is a Westinghouse LCM-22w2 22 inch widescreen connected via DVI. [02:21] Oh, Westinghouse.. [02:21] I've got a 19" hanns g [02:22] It detects and uses native resolution out of the box with VGA using NVIDIA drivers, but not DVI so I need to use that special line in xorg.conf that allows it to work. [02:22] ccfreak2k: Yeah, Westinghouse. $200 after thanksgiving day special a few years back. :) [02:22] do any of you guys actually use xmodmap then? [02:23] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:24] ccfreak2k: Before that I was using a 15" monitor. :( [02:24] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: Client Quit [02:24] I recently got 2 24" asus lcds for $200 each, seemed like a pretty good deal [02:24] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:24] twolf: nice. My one 22" inch takes up the entire monitor spot on my desk. [02:28] yess... [02:28] got it working [02:29] Wojo (i=ZlyWojo@draxgar.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] firebird619: use something like "keycode 223 = F13" in your ~/.xmodmap file and run xmodmap .xmodmap... [02:30] Good morning. [02:30] i just got back from a 6mi walk [02:30] mornin' Wojo [02:30] frullet_ (n=frullet@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:32] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.19.102) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:32] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [02:33] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.221) joined ##slackware. [02:33] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "5 hours of sleep, sure why not. tomorrow is friday and i haz beer :o" [02:33] is there actuall a cli argument for alsamixer to raise, lower, and mute the volume? (i.e. alsamixer -volume up) don't see anything on the man page. [02:33] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:33] *actually [02:33] fluxnuk3r: ok, thanks. [02:33] np [02:37] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:38] lannders (n=lannders@107-149.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:38] lannders (n=lannders@107-149.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] ok i switched the home dir to another partition.. i can go cd /home and go to it, but when I do cd ~ it takes me to /root/home [02:39] eross: did you update /etc/passwd? [02:39] i meant to just the /home directory with the other dirs [02:40] no [02:42] look at man usermod [02:42] -d and -m [02:42] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:44] thanks [02:45] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:46] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:47] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:47] still going to the stray home [02:47] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] hmm or maybe not [02:48] nope it's working. thanks to all [02:48] cool [02:49] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:51] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [02:54] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:54] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-148-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] evening [02:56] xorgconfig is asking for the horizontal sync range of my monitor. The User Manual doesn't specify this info. Is there a command to use to get this info. [02:56] Hi frullet. [02:57] firebird619, lcds don't have it [02:58] at least not when used with dvi-d [02:58] edman007: I am using DVI-D. What should I enter then? [02:58] ignore it, its not used [02:58] edman007: Ok, Thank you. [02:58] actually the right thing is to not put it in there [02:58] it will only confuse X (though shouldn't cause problems) [02:59] Ok, Thanks. [03:00] giuppy (n=giuppy@host38-165-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:03] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:03] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:05] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:05] ge3e3ennnttto0o0 (n=ge3e3enn@189-47-246-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:10] is there a better FM than the default thunar? [03:11] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:12] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:12] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [03:15] eross: I think that depends on the person and what their individual wants/needs are for a FM. I use XFCE and also like thunar. [03:15] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:16] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [03:19] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:21] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:22] su [03:25] ge3e3ennnttto0o0 (n=ge3e3enn@189-47-246-217.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [03:26] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-7ec0960ce1a69f6f) joined ##slackware. [03:26] When I try to open a file as root, such as mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf, I always get a Cannot Open Display message. If I use what alienBOB put here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/gtk-warning-cannot-open-display-477409/ (Post #2) it works. How can I make this permanent so I don't have to type that each time I Log Out/Restart the PC? [03:26] bashrc ? [03:27] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.40.98.247) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:27] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:28] superGear: Yes, I had thought of that, but I wanted to ask here instead of putting it somewhere and messing something up. :) [03:28] firebird619: you can create a script that does those commands .. you might need to change sudoers so that it won't ask for passwd [03:28] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-148-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:29] duryodhan: Ok, so a script that would start with #!/bin/sh and then those commands after it? [03:29] s/after/under [03:29] anyone know of an easy way to use gmail from the command line ? I need to send a bunch of files/photos to my friends [03:30] firebird619: yeah but its still a pain [03:30] I don't know how exactly it will work -- I don't use sudo etc. much [03:30] usually does su and thats all [03:30] duryodhan: Ok, Thanks. [03:33] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:36] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:37] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8822A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:40] firebird619, the she-bang (#!) part tells your shell what program the script should be run with. [03:40] morning [03:41] slackytude: Good morning. How's it going. [03:41] ccfreak2k: Ok, thanks. [03:41] lot of trouble with network lately. routers dieing, printers not responding, brides falling down, that kind of thing [03:41] looks like its finally working correctly tho [03:42] last two days were evil tho [03:42] firebird619, how about you? [03:42] slackytude: I am doing great. Thank you. [03:42] ^-^ [03:43] Instead of brides falling down, I assume you mean bridges maybe? [03:43] ccfreak2k: What would be the best way to have those commands run at startup so I don't get that Cannot open display? [03:44] firebird619, them too, aye [03:44] :D [03:46] slackytude: either way, you sure had a lot going on. [03:46] yeah [03:46] best thing, I bought replacement parts, which were broken too >-< [03:46] so I had to bring em back again [03:46] and of course, that were the days we got of customer calls, too [03:47] its quiet all week and as soon as the network dies, everybody calls at once [03:47] slackytude: when it rains, it pours. :) [03:47] aye [03:48] I'm sure your glad that's all over with, at least until the next batch of problems arise. [03:48] yeah, when I came in this morning, one printer didnt work either, but it turns out the power wasnt plugged in [03:49] slackytude: Well at least that was a small, simple problem. [03:49] yeah ^-^ [03:51] Well, I better get going. It's 2:50 AM here. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [03:51] good night [03:52] Fri Mar 13 00:51:58 PDT 2009 [03:52] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[04:30] nullboy, O_o [04:30] fat guy on dog [04:30] wtf [04:31] yeah i'm sorry this one is better http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/rgb.swf [04:33] nullboy: My hardware is confirmed! It may be 3.5 fears lahe but I can FINALLY run Slack on my home desktop!! Wooo! [04:33] nice [04:33] ahem... *years late* [04:34] guess it's finally gonna be time to check out KDE4 [04:34] since it will be running on a card totally ready for it [04:36] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [04:41] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [04:45] who needs kde when we have fluxbox? :) [04:46] In what file can I find all the users and their respective groups? 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[04:57] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:04] frullet: true.. and fluxbox is what i run on every maghine that needs a gui but also is for being productive on [05:04] my home desktop knows nothing of productivity, only frivoloty [05:06] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.163.61) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:06] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@dhcp-196-130.nomad.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [05:06] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-159-73.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:06] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.163.61) joined ##slackware. [05:09] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [05:18] hi guys, what's the max. partition size for swap that could work well? [05:19] Depends on what CPU you're using. [05:19] my cpu is x86-64 [05:19] and i've 8 GiB of RAM [05:20] max swap size? i [05:20] yes [05:20] unlimited Id say [05:20] 256TB, barring any swap limitations. [05:21] maxote: no swap is fine [05:21] ccfreak2k, from what linux version? [05:21] why do you need swap ? [05:21] Just make it twice your RAM and then forget about it [05:21] nocte (n=nocte@el8.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:21] keep maybe 4-5 GB if you want to hibernate etc. [05:21] then your covered but not wasting too much [05:21] Action: duryodhan doesn't know of hibernate on 64bit [05:22] you don't need swap at all .. unless you use hibernate .. [05:22] s/your/you're/ [05:22] duryodhan: not true [05:22] duryodhan, i've many bigger processes in multicore [05:22] Swap is used when main memory is full. [05:22] duryodhan: there are many cases where swap is used and necessarily so [05:22] silicon sims for a start [05:23] hence why i said: [05:23] Just make it twice your RAM and then forget about it [05:23] then you're covered but not wasting too much [05:23] silicon sims ? [05:23] done. [05:23] Silicon Chip Design Simulations [05:24] Zordrak, yes, i always use the rule, swap=x2 ram, but i don't know the max limitation of swap [05:24] heh chip simulations are evil [05:24] do you simulate field effects as well? [05:24] slackytude: you're not kidding [05:24] it's 802.15.4 .. what do you think :) [05:25] ^-^ [05:25] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [05:25] A necessary evil. [05:26] i say it because Haskell sucks a lot of memory, and i need much swap for it. [05:26] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:26] maxote: your sentence went on too long [05:26] 09:26:11 < maxote> i say it because Haskell sucks [05:27] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:28] heh [05:30] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. 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[05:55] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:58] toshiba510cdt (n=toshiba5@235.Red-88-25-188.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] i've been told disabling unnecessary services is a sure way to have faster booting and saving memory. i have a very old Pentium 133 MHz laptop running gnu/linux. shall i disable dbus and hal? [06:01] heh [06:01] toshiba510cdt, surely you can. some things will break (like usb automounting) but it will work. [06:01] toshiba510cdt, I wouldnt use X on that [06:01] toshiba510cdt, and you can and probably should drop dbus and hal [06:02] toshiba510cdt, what do you use that box for? [06:02] my old Pentium 133 MHz laptop does not have any usb ports. what else could break? [06:02] nah. you can use X, just choose lightweight DE or WM... lxde.org ftw [06:02] toshiba510cdt, and use fluxbox, it eats peanuts of memory :) [06:02] xfce <3 [06:02] yeah, lxde is good too [06:03] xfce <3 but not for Pentium 133 :) [06:03] my old Pentium 133 MHz laptop does not have any usb ports. what else could break? [06:03] toshiba510cdt, told ya, it's gonna be all right. [06:03] slava_dp, hmm [06:04] i have two pcmcia cards though. one is an orinoco chipset and the other is a prism2 chipset [06:04] should work, afaik [06:05] ok, i will disable hal and dbus, reboot and will let you know in 5 min or so if things work ok [06:05] toshiba510cdt, all you need us udev. dbus is just for communication between programs and hal is for helping desktop environments understand your hardware :) [06:05] Im pretty sure about prism2. cant remeber about orinoco [06:05] slackytude: works fine [06:05] slava_dp, not just desktop env [06:05] slava_dp, but, yeah, its mainly used by desktop stuff [06:06] slackytude, well yeah, it does suspend and hibernation too [06:06] by desktop environments, you mean lxde or perhaps something meatier like gnome or kde? [06:06] kde, xfce, gnome [06:07] toshiba510cdt, without hal you will have to mount your devices yourself (those that are not in /etc/fstab). [06:07] mount what kind of devices? [06:07] toshiba510cdt: lxde is also "DE" [06:07] toshiba510cdt, any storage you attach (like floppies too) [06:08] toshiba510cdt: it will work nicely. i own toshiba 430 cdt [06:08] toshiba510cdt, so reboot and tell us what you think :) [06:11] slava_dp: atleast my model has interchangeable "rack" for one device and external case for the other (you can have only cdrom or floppy in laptop, the other device needs to be connected externaly) [06:11] Nick change: ryht|mulih -> ryht|cuti|seming [06:12] i don't have either in the laptop. no need and it's like 0,5 kg lighter this way [06:13] spiki, yeah, especially floppy is really obsolete these days. (well i guess i've last used a pentium 133 133 years ago) =) [06:14] well, yeah. that's 13+ years old laptop :) [06:14] one thing you wouldn't expect from it is... the battery rocks! [06:15] 1 - 1,5 hours easily... with the original battery [06:15] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@dhcp-196-130.nomad.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:16] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Connection reset by peer [06:16] every laptop i bought after that has lost 50% of the original "capacity" withing the first 6 months or so. this one works consistently [06:18] is there really no slackbuild for lxde? [06:18] i thought i'd try it.... [06:18] havent seen it on sbo etc... it's really easy to build [06:19] k thenn [06:19] is www.microsoft.com working for you? [06:22] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [06:22] dios_mio: yes [06:22] spiki thanks man [06:24] works here as well [06:26] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. 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[06:49] when I try to install slackware it says killed root@slackware [06:49] the reason for this is that I don't have a swap [06:49] I created a swap using gparted but the setup cannot find it [06:49] how can I make it visible using fdisk? [06:49] i disabled hal and dbus and everything works as before. however, i still have a problem i had before : whenever i insert my Linksys WPC11 ver3 pcmcia wireless card (prism2 chipset) my laptop screen displays the message "wifi0: prism2_interrupt: ev=0xffff" ad infinitum and can not issue any commands or anything. it does not matter if i switch to tty2. that message effectively blocks me from issuing any commands [06:50] and it even prevents me from login in! [06:50] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:32] ok, I will buy it when I am 100% sure that I can install it [07:32] where will it mount the driver? [07:32] guys, can find -iname pattern accept 'OR' conditions? [07:33] jack_ripper: buying is optional, its freely availble open your eyes it will answer the questions you are asking [07:35] bob_slacker (n=vncsnvs_@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:35] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:35] bob_slacker kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: vncsvs_asshat, go away. [07:37] jack_ripper: well, when it reports it found windows partition, choose to mount it (if you want) and point it to /mnt/windows for example [07:38] jack_ripper: slackbook.org is free online [07:39] thanks found it [07:43] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.146) joined ##slackware. [07:43] monstro (n=admin@201-92-50-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Hi all, [07:43] Anyone suggest a good Softphone for Slackware? [07:44] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [07:44] i use ekiga [07:45] openwengo and gizmo also work but haven't used them long time... [07:45] spiki: Where I find? [07:45] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:45] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [07:45] I looked through the book, but can't see anything about where the Mount drive will be saved [07:45] monstro: slackbuilds.org has slackbuilds. be shure to install the deps first [07:46] jack_ripper: as i said. specify it... write /mnt/windows or something like that [07:46] jack_ripper: it will create the dir "/mnt/windows" and mount your windows partition (/dev/hda1) on /mnt/windows [07:46] by putting that info into /etc/fstab [07:47] it works that way in every linux distribution btw [07:47] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-159-73.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:47] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8822A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:47] slackytude2 (n=hotline@p4FD882BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[07:58] Skaperen (n=phil@c-24-131-205-87.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:06] how can i have all low-level messages send to tty3 only? [08:07] low-level? [08:09] please see kernel.printk option /etc/sysctl.conf [08:11] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:16] eh, how can i use cut to parse "1280x800", setting "x" as the delimiter? [08:17] Skaperen (n=phil@c-24-131-205-87.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] jack_ripper (n=jack_rip@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [08:18] Action: slava_dp is stuck [08:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-209.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:19] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.221) joined ##slackware. [08:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] slava_dp: cut -d 'x' [08:21] and use -f1 for 1280, -f2 for 800 [08:23] sQuEE, thank you. now i got it. [08:24] :) [08:27] slava@slava[~]:-)$ xdpyinfo | grep dimensions: | cut -d ' ' -f7 | cut -d 'x' -f1 [08:27] w00t =) [08:28] Action: slava_dp loves linux [08:28] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:28] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@118.68.132.41) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:29] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) joined ##slackware. [08:29] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:30] slava_dp, I hear you bro [08:30] preach it [08:31] filipe_xD (n=filipe@ENVIEM-DOCES-PROS-OPS-DO-CANAL-SLACKWARE.inrede.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:31] filipe_xD (n=filipe@laptop-do-filipe.inrede.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl34-145.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:32] v4nelle (n=van@adsl34-145.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:34] fwiw i usually dont leave a space and i use double-quotes [08:34] cut -d" " -f1 [08:39] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [08:40] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-117-249.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:40] toshiba510cdt (n=toshiba5@235.Red-88-25-188.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:41] toshiba510cdt (n=toshiba5@208.Red-88-18-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [08:41] evening [08:47] W|GGL|T (n=all@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:47] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [08:48] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [08:49] http://www.makelinux.net/kernel_map#sd [08:51] dscastro (n=diego@unaffiliated/dscastro) joined ##slackware. [08:51] morning [08:52] so, there are anyone that have already used pykota? [08:55] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [08:56] morning all [08:57] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:58] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:06] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [09:07] fuzzbawl: all is not in today [09:07] leave a message after the beep [09:07] *BEEP* [09:07] thumbs: can i have their vm? [09:07] oh, uh, crap. i wasn't ready [09:07] hello all, i thought i would bring you this sammich for breakfast but I got hungry in the car. so uh, just give me a call back. thanks. [09:08] *pound* [09:08] beeeeeeeeep [09:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [09:14] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:24] £ = They dont even know about it [09:24] pounds stirling [09:25] pound SHINEY [09:25] # = whatever they feel like calling it on any given day in any given county of any given state [09:25] Action: slava_dp laughs [09:25] £ == Pound [09:25] lb == Pound [09:25] # != Pound [09:25] URFACE == Pound [09:25] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] # is lots of things [09:26] # == tic tac toe board [09:26] # = pound [09:26] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:26] # = ##slackware [09:26] when using a touch tone telephone (which americans invented. you're welcome.) it is called the pound sign [09:27] by all means, keep using things we invented and then complain about small differences in language that have evolved over a few hundred years [09:27] i managed to google the etymology [09:28] We invented Google too! [09:28] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:28] complain about it on the internet! (oh, the irony) [09:28] iron is good for you [09:28] some idiot american couldnt spell "lb" so he wrote # to mean pounds as in weight [09:29] why can't brits get over the fact that we're better than them? [09:29] even though it is on the telephone pad for the purpose of being a "Nuwber Sign" more idiot mericans still call it the pound sign [09:30] Zordrak: if I'm not allowed to call you limey..then you aren't allowed to insult Americans [09:31] straterra: you can call me whatever you want.. just spell it right :) [09:31] pedantic bastard! [09:31] :) [09:31] the uk is basically worthless [09:31] Zordrak: No I'm not. The ex-resident Brit op got offended [09:31] I'm not allowed to talk about lemon party either [09:31] # = lb. weight [09:31] dont randomly decide that from now on you're gonna use ^ instead of & and rename it to the superman symbol [09:32] I think we can use whatever symbols we want o.O [09:32] we should, just to further piss off brits [09:32] At least the canadians are sane enough not to follow you [09:32] We should cut off their import of Mountain Dew too [09:33] Don't you have some marmite to go eat or something? [09:33] no [09:33] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:33] brits complaining about americans using pound to refer to # is about as stupid as americans complaining loudly about pressing one at the beginning of phone calls [09:33] The last Brit I got in to an argument with tried to tell me the US was an island [09:34] good job im English then [09:34] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) joined ##slackware. [09:34] you're a brit [09:34] anyone who thinks Britain is a country doesnt deserve to live here [09:35] why are brits so bitter about losing? [09:35] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:35] dionysian: you're a mexican [09:35] Because they got beat by a few rednecks with muskets and rowboats [09:35] Basically, present day Canadians [09:35] that's kind of sad [09:36] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br expired. [09:36] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:36] instead of going "Rule Britannia..." or "Land of Hope and Glory" or any other patriotic BS, please help this newbie, guvnor [09:36] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Not only did they get beat by rednecks with rowboats and muskets..they got beat by French with rowboats and muskets at the same time [09:37] Action: kitche hopes verizon turns off the correct phone line instead of mine [09:37] i have a booting problem on my ancient Pentium 133 MHz laptop running Lenny. can anyone help me? details are to be found on http://pastebin.ca/1350201 [09:37] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:37] please also see http://pastebin.ca/1350408 [09:37] LOL from Northern Canada......as a Canadian I'm enjoying this:) [09:37] toshiba510cdt: Lenny? IE, Ubuntu/Debian? [09:37] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-190-190.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [09:37] I am not prepared to hear geographical arguments from americans wehn most americans dont know where anything is outside their own border [09:37] No one said anything about geography o.O [09:38] toshiba510cdt: We only support Slackware here...sorry. [09:38] "britane? isnt that like near irakistan or something.. like on europe?" [09:38] i had the same problem when slackware was running on the old laptop soi do not think it is distro prob [09:38] Well.. [09:38] It very well might be [09:38] I need a regex that matches numbers from 1 to 12 by two digits each; i.e: 01 02 03 04 05 06 etc [09:38] That being said..we don't support Debian [09:38] or the buntus [09:38] i know but you do support gnu/linux, right? [09:39] and then they go and steal our music [09:39] No [09:39] We support Slackware [09:39] {01..12} only matches one digit until 9 [09:39] gnu/linux slackware, then [09:39] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:39] Pat/Slackware [09:39] do you have a slackware question? [09:40] Pat is not a devotee [09:40] I'm the developer of ThomasYork/STFU [09:40] LOL [09:40] let alone a Saint [09:40] toshiba510cdt: Pat is the maintainer [09:40] yes, he is that [09:41] dios_mio (i=test@88.243.4.177) left irc: Connection timed out [09:41] Zordrak: it's really sad that you guys stole our music (blues) and then need our drugs (lsd) to make anything interesting out of it [09:41] comp__ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [09:41] toshiba510cdt (n=toshiba5@208.Red-88-18-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:41] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.37) joined ##slackware. [09:42] dionysian: LSD has no specific cultural history here... neither does blues... most of our drugs come from holland, after being imported from jamaica [09:43] why would they be imported from jamaica? [09:43] bob marley -one heart [09:44] Zordrak: the past 70 years of music from the uk is just piggybacking on american innovations [09:45] and none of it is very good, except to the extent it was influenced by lsd [09:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8onbDZmAwhE <3 [09:46] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:46] dionysian: Seriously go do some research, then come back and start againt [09:46] i've done plenty of research. [09:47] The Beatles rule! [09:47] Wait.. didn't the UK give us Bono and U2? [09:47] Action: kitche loves having some HD channels but most of them are those dumb music choice channels [09:48] You mean they cursed us with bono and u2 [09:48] they are nothing. they represent a subsection or pop culture spanning about a decade half a century ago [09:48] beatles wouldn't exist without blues and rock and roll, and they wouldn't be much good without lsd [09:48] dionysian: I take it your a musical historian with the years of experience to state that ? [09:48] yes [09:49] Dominian: He's a Linux admin..he knows what he is talking about [09:49] k? [09:49] it's like me saying that the US music culture is nothing but rednecks with guitars drinking homebrew [09:49] < Dominian> Wait.. didn't the UK give us Bono and U2? <--- yeah, this is kind of my point :-/ [09:49] Zordrak: part of it is [09:50] theyre irish... they are on a separate island for a reason [09:50] straterra: haha k [09:52] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [09:54] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] Xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-133-177.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:55] straterra: anyone that's paid attention to me in this channel knows i am a sorry excuse for a linux admin [09:55] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:55] no argument here [09:56] hmm looks like they might be installing fiber optic outside of my house verizon that is [09:56] tap in to it [09:57] they are just installing it on the pole I believe right now for the factory next door but hard to tell sicne my phone line comes from that pole as well [09:59] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:00] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-148-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:01] 'on the pole' ? [10:02] probably isn't fiber optics if it's not underground and on the same 'pole' as your phone line! [10:03] brixton: umm my cable has been fiber optics for a long time and it's on the pole [10:03] oh interesting [10:03] so your line isn't a 'phone line' as such [10:05] kitche: better than at&t; at&t sent me a notice that dsl would be available in my neighborhood 7 years ago; no dsl available yet here [10:06] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [10:06] brixton: yes it's a phone line I don't understand if the fiber optics is underground how will the phone installers get a hold of it when people want to switch over to fios? [10:07] presumably identically to how cable internet operates at the moment [10:07] brixton: what climb up on the pole and turn it on? wait think that is to turn on the cable [10:09] wow sony plant that is closing workers are holding two executives hostage [10:09] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "leaving" [10:10] yea they are messing with my phone line ... [10:14] hmm yeah seems like fiber optic they moved down the street and are pulling a "invisible" wire down the line [10:16] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:20] ok odd linux journal talked about opensolaris lol [10:23] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:28] mohd (n=mohammed@41.209.114.56) joined ##slackware. [10:28] t0f (i=1000@wlbr-208-103-146-70.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] t0f (i=1000@wlbr-208-103-146-70.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. 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[10:38] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:38] bob_slacker (n=vncsnvs_@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:38] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@201.86.135.130.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:38] bob_slacker kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: vncsvs_asshat, go away. [10:39] Idiot [10:39] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] he's still trying to come in here? [10:40] why would he keep rejoining? [10:40] because it dumb? or is setup on an autojoin [10:42] mohd (n=mohammed@41.209.114.56) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:43] Mornin'(afternoon/evenin'),folks [10:43] mornin' MLanden [10:43] Mornin',twolf [10:43] Whatever happened to the locale independant "Sup" ? [10:43] :) [10:44] umm think that was in the 90's :) [10:44] still relevant in some dialects [10:44] I know around here it is but that's probably still 90's on the internet :) [10:45] v4nelle (n=van@adsl34-145.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "http://v4nelle.wordpress.com" [10:45] v4nelle (n=van@adsl34-145.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:46] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:48] my lcd is making a buzzing sound [10:49] marenz_ (n=anonym00@p5B0845F6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] nooper,just a monitor or does it have built-in speakers? [10:50] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:50] it has built in speakers which i dont connect to anything [10:50] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:51] it still could be picking something up [10:51] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:51] it is next to the wireless router :( [10:51] Nick change: marenz_ -> Supran_ [10:51] Nick change: Supran_ -> Suprano_ [10:51] EMF [10:51] i hate that MF [10:51] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:55] I still have some speakers that still buzz around 20dB when plugged in even if the hard switch is off! [10:56] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] somebody stop me from trying gentoo [10:57] Nick change: Anjo_Malvado -> eduardok [10:57] Try it..I use it [10:58] Nick change: eduardok -> Anjo_Malvado [10:58] dionysian: gentoo screensaver: watching the compile lines scroll up ;) [10:59] yeah :( [10:59] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [10:59] i already knew that :( [10:59] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [11:00] hs gentoo finally stopped compiling packages since they don't even talk about them anyways [11:01] i haven't even compiled a kernel since 2002, but here i am considering gentoo [11:01] why [11:01] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.181.95.146) joined ##slackware. [11:02] because you haven't compiled a kernel in too long [11:02] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:05] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:06] dionysian: if you're not the compile type then dont waste your time with gentoo [11:06] v4nelle (n=van@adsl34-145.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:06] i'm not not the compile type [11:07] erbi (n=erbi@lawn-128-61-22-246.lawn.gatech.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:07] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. 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[11:17] So in order to change from ext3 to ext4, one just has to change the fs types in /etc/fstab and tha'ts pretty much it, huh? [11:17] And actually convert the filesystem [11:18] alkos333: think you have to convert it but you don't if you go from ext4 to ext3 [11:18] I like how the author is blaming programs on the 60 second commit thing even though other filesystems have it as well [11:18] lol [11:19] not tonly that.. lilo don't like ext4 [11:19] LILO doesn't like ext4? [11:20] What do you mean? [11:20] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cjm126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:21] the last I heard that lilo would choke on ext4.. [11:21] Bogus [11:21] lilo works OK on ext4 [11:21] grub doesn't without patching [11:21] I haven't had any problems with ext4 [11:21] in lilo that is [11:21] then maybe it was grub [11:22] don't remember.. one of them didn't work right or there had to be some work around. [11:22] so when will grub2 be released :) [11:22] who cares? :) [11:23] lol [11:23] Precisely [11:23] LILO ftw [11:24] nothing wrong with grub [11:25] minus its requirement to be patched to hell to work properly [11:26] for ext4 [11:26] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:27] no, for alot [11:27] typically, distros apply 10-20 patches to grub [11:27] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [11:27] Slackare applies.. two patches.. [11:28] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [11:28] That's a bit off of 10-20 isn't it? [11:29] LordAnta (i=d99c67e2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-169bf606ea682350) joined ##slackware. [11:29] slackware doesn't use it by default, though [11:30] suse uses about 22, for example [11:30] suse is patched to hell and back anyways [11:30] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Action: kitche is just waiting for person to move their vehicle so I can take their spot :) [11:30] kitche: I don't see anything about having to convert in this article : http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-ext4/ [11:31] They do mention that once you use it as ext4 with extents, you cant' go back to ext3, etc [11:31] fail; http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto [11:31] see the end about converting [11:32] Alright, thank you! [11:32] what about it? [11:33] you need to convert to ext4, not just change fstab [11:33] oh right [11:33] LordAnta (i=d99c67e2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-169bf606ea682350) left irc: Client Quit [11:33] Well, if you want to use ext4 [11:33] according to that.. you can mount existing ext3 partitions using the ext4 driver to get some of the "enhancements", but to get the full enhancments from the file system.. you have to convert it.. [11:35] monstro (n=admin@201-92-50-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving." [11:36] WARNING: It is NOT recommended to resize the inodes using resize2fs with e2fsprogs 1.41.0 or later, as this is known to corrupt some filesystems. [11:36] thrice`: I'm a bit perplexed by this part [11:37] It's not recommended to resize ext4 fs after it has been converted from ext3? or it's just not recommended to resize ext4 even if it were created from scratch? [11:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:41] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [11:41] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-3870ddcc4c8f6492) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [11:43] lizardius (n=florian@p4FDA62E4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] hi [11:44] user26902 (n=user9237@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] alkos333: no clue, honestly, as i've never tried (or even used ext4) [11:45] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-190-190.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [11:46] Ah, alright - sorry. [11:47] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: "leaving" [11:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] hey nix_chix0r [11:55] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:56] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.174) joined ##slackware. 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[13:06] i have timestamps, i'm just drunk. [13:07] Drunk at 10 am eh? I like your style. [13:07] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@din-ip60.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [13:07] 2am :P [13:07] I wish it was 2 am here, I'd be drunk too. Instead I'm am hour into my work day. [13:08] (translation: I've only spent an hour on reddit so far today ;) ) [13:08] LikeVinyl (n=desdemon@200.125.80.200) joined ##slackware. [13:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] heh [13:10] ryht|cuti|seming (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:21] me_ (n=me_@92.24.131.105) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:22] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] drunk? we have a pub crawl in town tonight [13:26] i will be in attendance [13:27] and then absent whenever i pass out [13:27] Sweet [13:27] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-193939.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:28] dont pass out on a pub crawl [13:28] baaaaaad shit will happen to you [13:28] spook: i know the bartenders at the bars we are going to, i'll be alright :D [13:28] bartenders can be bribed :P [13:29] Nick change: duryodhan -> duryo_ [13:29] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.174) left irc: ":wq" [13:29] not if they don't want bad shit to happen back [13:29] Suprano_ (n=anonym00@p5B0845F6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:29] i'll go at them like a spider monkey [13:29] well waking up with only one eyebrow [13:30] Suprano_ (n=anonym00@p5B084EFC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] tribeca (n=naitso@host214-240-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:32] buonasera [13:33] hi [13:33] english only [13:34] spook: sorry channel error. [13:35] i'll channel HER error [13:35] tribeca (n=naitso@host214-240-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [13:35] That's what SHE said! [13:36] tribeca (n=naitso@host214-240-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:36] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.8) joined ##slackware. [13:37] hmm Zack and miley( or whatever her name is) is on tv right now the movie that is [13:37] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [13:38] tribeca (n=naitso@host214-240-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [13:38] tribeca (n=naitso@host214-240-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:39] eviljames: [ in bed ] [13:43] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] Jelena_ (i=Anwar@41.236.13.139) joined ##slackware. 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[13:59] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] Well, I'm arse deep in QC right now [14:00] So that's why I'm quiet [14:00] I can't account for anyone else though [14:03] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:03] Linus (n=LNX@85.139.11.216) joined ##slackware. [14:04] i've got nothing i can rant drunkenly about [14:05] that's ok, we'll enjoy your silence [14:06] :( [14:06] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:08] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:11] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [14:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@222.105.16.242) joined ##slackware. [14:16] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-247-92.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:16] i wonder if you could get an alcohol iv [14:17] It would take the fun out of drinking [14:17] So i got this new anttena for our wireless at work and i was testing the range on it with my netbook that's loaded with slack. I went into the hallway and i think wpa_supplicant might of tried to connect to the hospitals wireless since it had a stronger signal at one point. After that, it wont connect to any network, even after a reboot. I get an error: dhcpstart: ioctl SIOCSIFFLAGS: RESOURCE TEMPORARILY UNAVAILABLE. [14:17] like, iv tequila [14:18] wischmib (i=574e3ef3@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ff09381cb338b254) left ##slackware. [14:18] since you dont drink tequila for the taste [14:18] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-199571.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:18] whats the thing with tequila you do? like, squirt lemon in your eye... [14:19] throw salt over shoulder [14:19] SlacKLnX (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.75.83.87) joined ##slackware. [14:22] my buddy is sharing some files from his Ubuntu box over the wired router, how do I access them? [14:22] IntangibleLiquid, what is he using to share them? [14:22] TwinReverb, samba [14:22] samba? ssh? nfs? kde's stuff? [14:22] you must turn on your samba server/client as well then [14:23] (at least afaik) [14:23] TwinReverb, how? [14:24] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] IntangibleLiquid, for a lan NFS is the fastest [14:24] IntangibleLiquid, http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ [14:24] AbortRet1yFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:24] spook: For your alcohol direct to the veins thing Motley Crue used to mainline jack daniels [14:24] for LAN from Linux to Linux, yeah, NFS would probably be the fastest [14:25] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) joined ##slackware. [14:25] eviljames, that has got to be bad for you though [14:25] scp/sftp is probably the easiest to setup and use and its also the most secure [14:25] ssh can be rather easy too, but still .... [14:25] TwinReverb, ssh does not transfer files, scp/sftp do [14:26] ok, scp then [14:26] you know what i meant :P [14:26] :D [14:26] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-204-222.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:26] well scp/sftp is part of ssh :) [14:26] lets see if I can do that after the party :D [14:27] IntangibleLiquid, have fun then [14:27] btw, just met Tim ferriss, author of 4 hour workweek, he went to Vietnam with Matt, founder of Wordpress [14:27] pretty cool dude [14:27] spring break starts today!!! [14:27] though i don't get out of class until 10:30pm :( [14:28] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Leaving" [14:28] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Action: kitche is done with college for a year [14:28] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [14:32] bye+ [14:32] lizardius (n=florian@p4FDA62E4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:33] /c/c [14:33] bah [14:33] pfft hahahaha [14:34] Do I need to search noobfarm... again! [14:34] :) [14:34] Maybe its time I create a "Best Noobfarm Pattern" [14:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:36] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:36] man 60 bucks online for watchmen graphic novel [14:37] o.O [14:37] 75 is the list price for it [14:37] straterra: they rereleased the graphic novel all together [14:38] I don't know what a graphic novel is [14:38] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-193939.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:38] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever [14:39] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [14:40] has anyone actually seen the watchmen movie? [14:40] straterra: it's what they used to call comic books :) [14:40] Oh [14:40] graphic novel = big fat comic book, I thought [14:41] Urchlay: it does and it doesn't depends on your view really [14:41] Watchmen was originally 12 comic books, they re-released it in the 80s in one volume [14:41] but what do I know, I'm not a comic book guy [14:42] umm wasn't mid 1980's when it was released anyways? [14:42] yah [14:42] Action: kitche is not a comic book guy [14:42] I m just looking at b&N for books [14:43] when I first read it, it was in "graphic novel" form, around 1990 [14:43] er, or maybe 1989. Was living in my first apartment [14:43] Watchmen is definitely worth reading [14:43] not seen the movie, won't comment on that... [14:44] I know the graphic movies that they released sold a lot [14:44] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [14:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@222.105.16.242) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:46] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:47] actually hm, maybe I'll go & see the movie tonight [14:47] it's been out for what, a week, so there might not be 500 people crowding me into paranoia [14:49] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:49] hi [14:50] i got a new laptop here and the touchpad dont work in slack12 external usb mouse works, is there a way i can see if the touchpad stuff is loaded correctly? [14:50] RLuft (n=roger@200.188.174.223) joined ##slackware. [14:51] must i just get a new version of gpm? [14:51] is it slack 12, 12.1, 12.2? [14:51] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left ##slackware. [14:52] 12.1 [14:52] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] everything is fine [14:52] i just need this mouse to work [14:52] i can see that gpm is loaded already [14:52] and my external mouse works fine [14:53] does lshal show the device at all? [14:55] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.75.83.87) left irc: "Leaving" [14:55] can you show us: lshal | grep info.product [14:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] my touchpad shows up like this: info.product = 'AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint' (string) [14:56] 2sec [14:56] v4nelle (n=van@adsl34-145.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:56] i see many things [14:56] does someone know if nvi supports utf-8? [14:56] lshal |grep info.product shows a lot [14:57] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Zabitaidst (n=root@61.17.164.89) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Zabitaidst (n=root@61.17.164.89) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:58] i see ps/2 port for ps/2-style mice [14:58] and [14:58] hba: it does not, best I can tell. [14:58] ibm enchanged 101/102 key ps/2 mouse support [14:58] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4_m4n@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. [14:58] jamess__: lsmod | grep psmouse [14:59] shath (n=root@61.17.164.89) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Hello, world! [14:59] rworkman: nothing [14:59] rworkman: ah ok. [14:59] custom kernel? [14:59] jamess__: first, do: "modprobe psmouse" [14:59] 2.6.24.5-smp [15:00] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:00] jamess__: second, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and comment out the entry that blacklists it. [15:00] hba: I corrupted quite a few files having utf8 characters that way :) [15:00] it says blacklist psmouse [15:00] then i should reboot now [15:00] ? [15:01] no need [15:01] unless you want to test if its working [15:01] you commented that line right? [15:01] jamess__: did you comment out the line that says "blacklist psmouse" ? [15:02] rworkman: ahaha :) better to stick with vim ... [15:02] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:03] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:04] hba: yeah, I have to use vim a lot for that reason :/ [15:04] rworkman: it works!! how come it had it blacklisted in the first place and thank you for helping! [15:05] jamess__: 12.1 worked a bit different in that regard. Read /etc/rc.d/rc.modules for more in fo, iirc. I don't have 12.1 installed anywhere any more... [15:08] what is wrong with it specific? [15:09] shath (n=root@61.17.164.89) left irc: "Leaving" [15:09] things are better now [15:09] there has been a lot of work and changes for the better since 12.1 [15:10] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-191-71.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] earte (n=root@61.17.164.89) joined ##slackware. [15:12] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:16] So i'm playing around with my kernel right now for the first time. I did it in Gentoo today during school and i'm looking for some fun before i go out tonight. [15:16] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [15:17] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [15:20] yht (i=1000@114.121.48.62) joined ##slackware. [15:20] is there a "how to upgrade your kde when using -current and not break stuff" doc somewhere? [15:21] the changelog, I'd imagine [15:21] I'd just remove kde3, use upgradepkg --install-new, and then start with fresh .kde* [15:22] and remove arts, qt, qca* [15:22] er, remove ^^ with kde3 [15:22] Nick change: yht -> Yudha_HT [15:24] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4_m4n@83.218.195.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:26] if i create a ~/.profile, will it clobber the environment settings that are already set by the system level profile or will it add on to those? [15:26] straterra: thrice` thanks folks :) [15:26] nullboy: add [15:26] thanks [15:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:26] nullboy: well, as long as you don't create namespace collision :) [15:26] i just need to fix my user's path [15:27] nullboy: sure, that works. [15:27] I'd do it from /etc/profile.d/fix_$USER_path.sh though :) [15:27] (that way, he/she can't alter it) [15:27] Well, can't alter the script, anyway. [15:27] j0z (n=JESUS@189.31.240.30) joined ##slackware. [15:27] nice [15:27] that's perfect [15:27] make sure you make that file executable [15:28] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [15:28] and $USER is just the user's login name? [15:28] easytarget (n=nobody@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:28] basically, this: if [ "$USER" = "whomever" ]; then PATH=$PATH:/wherever ; export PATH ; fi [15:29] i like that idea more, the user could still make their own profile files but they at least get a sane default from /etc [15:29] sure [15:30] Any really good areas of the menuconfig I could check out? =D [15:30] Processor Types and Features is cool.... [15:30] kernel hacking [15:30] lol [15:31] Hmm [15:31] I HACK ZEE KERNEL [15:31] I'm messing with the kernel right now, where are some good areas to check out? [15:31] (i'm novice). the Processor Types and Features section is very cool [15:31] bml376 (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] i just said [15:32] kernel hacking is a section [15:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Thanks nullboy, i didn't realize that was for me. I just finished going through Kernel Hacking and was able to disable a few things (YAY!) [15:32] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:32] that is actually where I started [15:33] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.47.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] Nick change: bml376 -> Politics [15:33] erizoe: what kind of kernel are you trying to build? Multimedia... server ..database server ?? [15:34] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "je vais retourner" [15:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-11-61.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] easytarget: I'm using Slackware12.2 as a desktop for a kid learning Linux. but right now my goal is just to being messing around with it. The smaller hte better of course. [15:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] (i'm the kid) [15:36] CONFIG_SECURITY_ROOTPLUG [15:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:36] erizoe: for starters you can try to throw away drivers that you don't need. (you need to know your hardware :-) [15:36] easytarget: good call. Nullboy: where is htat? [15:37] are you in menuconfig? [15:37] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Kernel Hacking>Scheduling Latency Timer i disabled. that one looked questionable. [15:37] nullboy:yes [15:37] hit / and enter a search term [15:37] AWESOME! [15:37] thanks! [15:37] erizoe: if you don't know, 'make menuconfig' has a search function (/). I tell you this because I may have spent a while hunting for things >_> [15:37] GODDAMNIT [15:37] ... [15:37] >_> [15:38] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [15:38] IR type slow [15:38] lol [15:38] Lol that's such an awsome feature [15:38] tell me about it :\ [15:40] CONFIG_LATENCYTOP is interesting. I disabled him because it seemeed like it would slow things very much. [15:40] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h63n7c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:41] I hope someone disagrees, anyone? =p [15:41] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [15:42] erizoe: I have it disabled on my system as well. [15:42] (thanks james) [15:42] erizoe: CONFIG_HAVE_LATENCYTOP_SUPPORT=y CONFIG_LATENCYTOP is not set [15:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [15:43] Jelena_ (i=Anwar@41.236.13.139) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:46] AlanCox (n=LNX@85.139.11.228) joined ##slackware. [15:47] zez671 (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] ahah, I love Ted Ts'o ! http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/12/delayed-allocation-and-the-zero-length-file-problem/ [15:48] quoting : [...] some Ubuntu users have become used to their machines regularly crashing. (I use bleeding edge kernels, and I don’t see the kind of unreliability that apparently at least some Ubuntu users are seeing, which came as quite a surprise to me.) [15:48] and "highly unreliable" [15:49] Camarade_Tux: That's been a point of discussion lately [15:49] nullboy almost made an ext4 root until I told him about the ext4 massive dataloss issue :D [15:50] on a LUKS root no less [15:50] heh [15:50] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:50] can someone help me with "CONFIG_GROUP_SCHED ? I don't think i understand that option [15:51] what I really love is Ted Ts'o bashes ubuntu several times, and only bashes ubuntu ;p [15:51] erizoe, then keep the default value [15:51] and ext4 only does that if you completely run out of power iirc [15:52] "You don't understand it, so ignore it" thanks camarade! =D [15:52] =p [15:52] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:52] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [15:53] erizoe: If you don't understand it dont mess with it until you do... :*) [15:54] and then you mess up enormously... :-D [15:54] can someone explain it to me quickly? Or rather, i'll just research it on my own. [15:54] " and then you mess up enormously... :-D" very funny [15:55] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.8) joined ##slackware. [15:55] erizoe: bitter experience.. [15:55] erizoe, iirc it's an additional feature which will therefore require additional setup so leaving it unconfigured in the kernel or unconfigured in the system will yield the same result : nothing different :) [15:56] wow, i can get ping replies from 76.78.130.212, but any tcp connection results in "no route to host" o.O [15:56] grazymax (n=grazymax@host112-153-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:59] this one can actually be felt, sometimes CONFIG_TCP_CONG_ADVANCED [15:59] erizoe, I read my backlog a bit and thought I should give you a better answer : CONFIG_GROUP_SCHED will let you group tasks and give nice values for this group (i.e. all members of the group), I see it as a way to ease administration on multi-user machines [15:59] (there was a maybe a lwn.net article over that) [16:00] Camarade_Tux: I've gone on ad nauseum about file systems lately (spamming for my favorite one, of course). I think Ts'o is wrong on this issue. [16:00] alkos333 (n=me@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [16:00] letommas (n=tom@xdsl-87-78-68-59.netcologne.de) joined ##slackware. [16:00] time for more mcGROSSdonald's [16:00] brb [16:00] Linus (n=LNX@85.139.11.216) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:00] eviljames, how so ? [16:01] Camarade_Tux: I'll get back to you on that one, gotta run for a few minutes :D [16:01] camarade_tux: Ah, that makes some sense, nice answer. thanks for coming back to it for me. [16:01] easytarget (n=nobody@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "Erection reset by queer" [16:01] damn i just finished installing windows vista on a laptop [16:01] i feel dirty [16:01] Action: tewmten goes and boots up a linux server [16:02] to repent my sins you know.. [16:02] (disabling it now =p) [16:02] Alright, I had /dev/vg/root of type jfs which contained the root system. I decided to mess around with ext4, so I created /dev/vg/root2 of type ext4. I created an initrd for ext4 but with name /dev/vg/root for the root partition. Then I rebooted into the installer, removed root and renamed root2 to root. I haven't run lilo howerer and that's where the problem is. [16:02] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-191-71.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] eviljames, yeah, sure, I just wanted not to forget to ask and let you know that while you're eating junk food, I'm desperately waiting for you answer and crying ='( [16:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:04] RLuft (n=roger@200.188.174.223) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:05] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h63n7c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] ? [16:07] solitron (n=solitron@81.84.154.27) joined ##slackware. [16:07] I run lilo but it's giving me "Fata: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda") [16:07] hi all [16:07] :) [16:08] hello, I'm trying to install 12.2 but I'm having problems with the RTL8187 driver, it's listed in /proc/config.gz as m but I can't modprobe it, how should I proceed? [16:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [16:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:09] Is that the RealTek wireless card? [16:09] solitron: wifi is not supported during install [16:09] that's a usb wifi adapter driver [16:09] eh [16:09] oh [16:09] letommas (n=tom@xdsl-87-78-68-59.netcologne.de) left ##slackware. [16:09] ah so it is [16:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:10] yes, Dominian [16:11] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h114n2c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] i'm out, thanks for the talk Guys [16:12] Shit... I'm kind of stuck here.. [16:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:13] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.221) joined ##slackware. [16:13] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.221) left irc: Client Quit [16:15] lilo thinks it's booting JFS but it's not ext4. I'm not sure how to boot from the install media and fix that. When I'm presented with the prompt in the installer and I simply try to run lilo, it says the command is not found. [16:16] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.221) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Since 12.2 doesn't support ext4, I enable the test_fs flag on /dev/vg/root and mount it at /mnt/root [16:16] I then chroot to /mnt/root [16:16] but when I run lilo, I get "Fata: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda") as I mentioned above. [16:16] So this is kind of my story here :) [16:16] try -L [16:16] iirc [16:16] actually wait [16:17] there's something specifc to do when you use raid for lilo... [16:17] I'm not using raid [16:17] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [16:17] I'm using LUKS+LVM [16:17] ahh [16:18] no idea then [16:18] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [16:18] Is wolvix any thing like slackware? If I use it am I going to get to know slacware better? [16:18] lol [16:18] mupi: uhh no [16:18] mupi: wherer are you asking that question? [16:18] The only way to get to know Slackware better, is to use Slackware. [16:18] what do you think the answer is going to be from this channel? [16:18] heh [16:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:19] darn it.. [16:19] Well wolvix is supposed to be based on slacware. In fact it is supposed to be a live CD slackware [16:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:19] I'm not even sure where to start here .. [16:19] wtf does Wolvix do that Slackware doesn't? [16:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:19] mupi: that means what? [16:19] It means nothing. [16:19] mupi: this is a slackware support channel [16:20] Based-on means nothing. [16:20] mupi: read the manual and try out slackware. Don't settle for an imitation [16:20] slackbook.org [16:21] hitest took the URL right outta my, er, fingers [16:21] :-) [16:21] just read the /topic [16:22] I always had problems installing slackware. In fact I never managed to install slackware but I did manage to install FreeBSD...any way I thought maybe I would get to know slackware by using a distro based on it but you do not think so... [16:22] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:22] evening :-) [16:22] you get to know a specific operating system by using that operating system...not by using something different [16:23] nullboy: hey.. I wanna learn Slackware by using Gentoo. [16:23] if you can set-up freebsd you'll have no trouble with slackware. the ncurses slackware installer is very similar to sysinstall in freebsd [16:23] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] I recommend you try slackware.......hey....it is up to you:) [16:24] Guys... dont' mock :) [16:24] "just do it" :P [16:24] Just do it lol [16:24] hahaha [16:25] nille__ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Dominian: a recent noobfarm quote stated Gentoo is Slackware based, so it must be so. :P [16:27] hehe [16:29] so i installed the SBo privoxy build and i made sure the rc is +x, added the suggested if test to rc.local and rc.local is +x too. when i reboot the system, privoxy doesn't start but running /etc/rc.d/rc.privoxy start works [16:29] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:30] this is what rc.local looks like http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11024 [16:30] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-183-96.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:30] nullboy: u haz been haxed by ze raving lolcatz of ze intarwebs! [16:31] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11025 [16:31] nullboy: paste the whole rc.local [16:31] k [16:31] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11026 [16:32] Damn it .. I'm stuck.. lol.. in the middle of the road with my pants around my ankles [16:32] hrm [16:32] Robby, ever messed around with LUKS+LVM? [16:32] alkos333: don't bend over - you might get a 3000lb suppository [16:32] alkos333: yes [16:32] hahaha [16:32] nullboy: hrm. [16:32] nullboy: do the other commands in rc.local get run? [16:33] rworkman: yeah [16:33] rworkman: I had a jfs /dev/vg/root [16:33] I created another lv called root2 with ext4 on it [16:33] rworkman: could i have to add a . ? . /etc/rc.d/rc.privoxy start [16:33] nullboy: Pat does . /etc/fubar/file [16:33] nullboy: put some printf's around that rc.privoxy invocation to make sure it's running, and then put some printf's inside it to track what's going on. [16:33] I then went ahead and created an init rd but for -f and -m I specified ext4 [16:33] ok brb [16:34] nullboy: no, that's not it. "." means to source the file - you don't need that in this case [16:34] rworkman: see rc.M line 59 [16:34] alkos333: okay, so make a new initrd [16:34] ah, nm [16:34] source means "execute in current shell" [16:35] rworkman: So then I reboot and load the 12.2 CD, I activate all LVs, change the entry in /etc/fstab for root from jfs to ext4, rename remove root lv, rename root2 to root ( which now holds a copied root partition only on ext4), and try to run lilo [16:35] nullboy: sourcing does what macavity said, and the advantage is that the thing being sourced inherits the environment of the sourcer. The downside is that if the sourced exits, the sourcer exits. [16:35] rworkman: When I do that, I get Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda") [16:36] think this was setup this way to prevent sourcing [16:36] i think i remember that in the README [16:36] brb, lots of echoes inserted now [16:36] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [16:37] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A7430B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] alkos333: I'm not sure what's going on :/ [16:37] alkos333: are you running from the 12.2 installer now? [16:37] Yes [16:38] I have enabled test_fs flag on my root partition so that installer can recognize it as ext4dev at least [16:38] and you've rebooted and come *back* into the installer? [16:38] rworkman pm ? [16:38] sure [16:39] whoa [16:39] alkos333: Are you using ext4 for / ? [16:42] rworkman: re "sourced inherits the environment of the sourcer"... uhm.. normal subshells inherits the environment of their parrent.. [16:42] eviljames, with all this stuff going on about ext4, i heard about mounting ext3 with data=writeback (in that its suppose to help FF3), well FF3 still sucks with that :( [16:42] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] but as far as i can tell, i think the whole ext4 issus is stupid, stop complaining about data loss on hard reboots [16:43] FOO=bar ; $HOME/bin/test.sh <-- where test.sh contains echo $FOO --> that will not show "bar" [16:43] Action: macavity blinks [16:43] subshells are another matter entirely [16:43] edman007: I strongly recommend not using data=writeback [16:44] eviljames, lol, its been good for me [16:44] edman007: Actually, the blog post that Camarade_Tux linked to above explains why. [16:44] i'm the only user anyways...and i got a BBU on the raid card so its not as slow as a real drive ;) [16:44] Action: macavity reads bash(1) *again* [16:44] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [16:44] macavity: if it's *exported* to the environment, it will, but inside a script, typcally you don't export them - you just declare them [16:45] leading to them being an equivalent of local vars [16:45] edman007: I do agree that complaining about data loss when you have a power failure is a littel goofy [16:45] edman007: but, at the same time, to blame everything *except* the file system is also a little goofy. [16:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:45] rworkman: your argument above does not hold.. [16:45] macavity, yes you do inherit from the parent shell, but /path/to/script does not create a subshell, it executes the program in the shebang which then runs on the script, to execute in a subshell like manner use source /path/to/script or . /path/to/script [16:45] ir idiot [16:46] stale pid file... [16:46] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [16:46] rworkman: FOO=bar; is actually executed in a subshell [16:46] oh noes, idiots can see infrared now? [16:46] rworkman: hence, when it exits, the FOO veriable is lost [16:46] macavity: I'm not explaining it well. See edman007's instead. [16:47] I chose entirely wrong words. This is what happens when one tries to explain in analogies too much. :/ [16:47] rworkman: Intersting but I didn't quite get it. Could you please compare to a car? [16:48] haha [16:48] macavity, no... FOO=bar does put it into the list of variables, just not into the environment, thus echo $FOO will work, but its not in the output of env and child processes won't see it, since they are passed the environment only [16:48] car analogies always work! [16:49] alright, time for me to pack, spring break is near [16:49] Action: edman007 dances [16:49] car analogies for programming languages ftw ! ;) [16:49] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: "OMG, its Spring BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [16:50] edman007: VAR=var command; gets spawned in a subshell.. i am staring at it in the manpage right now [16:50] every command gets spawned in a subshell [16:51] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] hmmm, it seems we won't see edman007 before a few days ;p [16:52] in that case i will sit here and stubbornly wait for him :P [16:52] macavity: trust me - just try it in a script. Write two scripts -- test1.sh and test2.sh test1.sh contains this: FOO=bar \n echo "$FOO from test1.sh" \n echo "Running test2.sh" \n /path/to/test2.sh \n sleep 3 \n echo "Sourcing test2.sh" \n . /path/to/test2.sh \n EOF [16:52] i have banged my head against bash(1) so unbelivably many times that i dont want it to be for nothing :P [16:53] then test2.sh contains this: echo "$FOO from test2.sh" [16:54] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] it prints bar.. [16:56] Hrm. [16:56] Something has gone terribly wrong :/ [16:56] :) [16:56] i agree robby [16:56] everything is going wrong today [16:56] OOHHHHHHH [16:57] macavity: I told it all backwards :/ Just a sec :) [16:57] echo "#!/bin/bash \n FOO=bar \n source test2" > test1; echo "echo $FOO" > test2; chmod +x test1 test2; ./test1 [16:57] straterra: Consider this a third vote for "everything is going wrong today" [16:58] Nick change: UdontKnow -> udrunknow [16:58] macavity: redefine FOO=hehe in test2.sh, and then in test1.sh, echo out $FOO after test2 is sourced [16:58] this week was going completly wrong [16:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] rworkman: that works as espected [16:59] wednesday the whole damn network was down and one damn printer was giving me trouble even this morning [16:59] and the coffee machine broke too :( [16:59] rworkman: that is, the changes carries over.. test2 gets *sourced* (ie, merged with current script) [16:59] macavity: yes, but my point is: that's what I was trying to say. :) [16:59] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:59] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: No route to host [16:59] rworkman: ok.. communication clusterfuck :P [17:00] My brain is completely screwy today. [17:00] so is mine [17:00] rworkman: as that is what ive been telling you the whole time too! :P [17:00] i need a beer [17:00] Nobody to blame for that one but me. :/ I need a beer too. [17:00] its all good :-) [17:00] macavity: yeah. I was so confused by your confusion that I got more confused. :) [17:00] ahhh... *that* kind of conf00sed! [17:00] robby, pregnancy tests are the ones that have been FAIL for me :/ so..yeah lol [17:01] I was thinking: "macavity *has* to already know this, but now he's questioning it - wtf?" [17:01] dscastro (n=diego@unaffiliated/dscastro) left irc: "Saindo" [17:01] straterra: ewww. Yuck. [17:01] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-199571.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still, the whol [17:01] straterra, ouch [17:01] thanks lol [17:01] asshole.. [17:01] straterra: oh, you wanted it to turn out the other way?? [17:01] rworkman: http://icanhascheezburger.com/?s=algeblah [17:02] i wanted it to be negative! [17:02] Well, that's what I thought - hence the "Ewww" response. [17:02] macavity: :) [17:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:03] rworkman: just wait untill i show you the bad woodoo my machine is doing these days... i can currently delete root:root 0770 files as an unprivilidged user [17:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:04] macavity, thats not good [17:04] rworkman: ... under the clause that there is nothing important in it! [17:04] rworkman: serisously!... i can make all sorts of test cases where it works.. but if i try to do it to a system file with identical permissions it fails :P [17:05] its fucked up :P [17:05] I'd like to know how to reproduce that [17:05] i *seriously* started questioning if i had understood the UNIX file permission system right... i even went and looked up perm_t in linux.h [17:06] capset? [17:06] no such nonsense here [17:08] rworkman: su; touch testfile; chown root:root testfile; chmod 0700 testfile; exit; rm testfile <- rm says "rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `testfile'?" and i press Y [17:08] ... and the file just vanishes! [17:08] *poof* [17:08] i think reiserfs has issues :P [17:09] ill switch to ext3/4 when i migrate my box to 12.2 [17:09] macavity: got a UPS? [17:09] macavity, interessting [17:09] macavity: wait, is that file in your $HOME? [17:09] nullboy: yes... its a laptop [17:09] eek [17:09] rworkman: yes? [17:09] (or some other place you can write?) [17:10] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] Well, htat makes perfect sense. You have permission to alter the directory. [17:10] Action: macavity blinks [17:10] ah fuck! [17:10] heh [17:10] "a directory is a file. it contains a list of inodes" [17:10] >_< [17:10] :) [17:11] Now we're even today :D [17:11] macavity, you want the sticky bit [17:11] sticky won't help in that case. [17:11] on the dir? [17:11] It only prevents *changing* the file. [17:11] oh, well, on the dir, sure [17:12] Well, I have to run out, guys. Later :) [17:12] well, at least I still know something. I spent 90 minutes with a opera.Slackbuild, just overlooking a line. managed to introduce some new errors too while trying to fix it [17:12] rworkman, see ya [17:14] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:14] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:14] Action: macavity has a moment of clarity [17:14] sometimes UNIX is so simple it becomes complex :P [17:15] yes... unlinking is not something you do to a file.. you do it to the directory file containing the link to the file [17:15] toast10111 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] those moments of clarity are funky [17:16] nah, that just means that you were making complex something that already is simple.. errr like debian :) [17:16] every one laughed their buds off when i finally understood how hash tables works :P [17:17] Action: hba runs and hides. [17:19] is it possible to just restart flash instead of closing firefox? [17:19] chances are you want to restart the whole thing though [17:19] nullboy, y0 [17:20] hey! [17:20] nullboy, Im planning on jumping to 12.2 on my work machine [17:20] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [17:20] what is it running now? [17:20] 12.1 ^-^ [17:20] trouble is my heavily hand customized samba [17:20] to act as a domain member [17:21] Id like to give samba + pam a try for 12.2 [17:21] which means Id like to have you builds [17:21] I can haz pam, plz [17:23] nullboy, ? [17:24] i have no repo yet [17:24] but i can at least post some of the scripts [17:25] if you just want it for samba it's not a big mess [17:25] nullboy: Your finger print reader is operating via pam, no? [17:25] yeah [17:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-220.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:25] yeah, mainly samba. Im not really sure what I did with old samba and I doubt I can just upgrade the whole system around it [17:25] this is the list that i compiled to do a more or less complete PAM integration http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/pam_integration_12.2.slackbuild [17:26] you don't need to do all of those though [17:26] nullboy: Is it by AuthenTec ? [17:26] well, I dont really need a repo. whatever floats your boat. email would be fine, too [17:26] nullboy: the reader, that is. [17:26] nullboy: we can has proper slackbuilds for all of those? :P [17:27] eviljames: my reader is Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader [17:27] macavity: i have scripts that i have fixed up and modified. the whole story goes, i found a repo where a guy did the basic scripts but it was sort of messy because of the pam.d/ vs pam.conf config options [17:27] anyone know of a quick & easy way to find filenames, given inode numbers? [17:28] i modified the scripts and added things where they needed to be added [17:28] if you guys want i can post the original author's repo...but my own which i got working perfectly are slightly different [17:29] well, I guess I could work with the original stuff, but Id prefer yours to be honest [17:29] ah, got it. find /path -type f -a -samefile some_file [17:30] (not exactly quick, but quite easy...) [17:30] Warning: If you do this, your system is no longer supportable by this channel. You might break everything, it might even catch on fire and explode. http://ftp.slackware.pl/pub/people/grzech/pam/src/slack12.2/ [17:31] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:31] nullboy: i am more interested in your unmessed version :P [17:31] i have no repo! [17:32] and beside that, people would start emaling me about how it's my fault their shit got broken [17:32] screw the "repo" part.. just upload the slackbuilds to pacbell [17:32] let me check [17:32] nullboy: In my github repo README file for slamd64builds I explicitly state that it's all use at your own risk. [17:33] nullboy: [17:33] charle97_ (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:33] ok ok so the real reason is, i'm chicken [17:34] nullboy: and "DISCLAIMER: This software is mallicious in nature, it *will* destroy your system - Dont use!" [17:34] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-220.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] nullboy: .. that i will write you back with "oh, patch for proper .SlackBuild style checks of FOO"? [17:35] nullboy, thx [17:35] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [17:35] i think i have enough space to just throw up the builds and any special files [17:35] this will take a bit [17:36] Nick change: toast10111 -> toast10101 [17:36] Don't forget to license it as beerware [17:36] That way, some day in the distant future, in a foreign land, someone may buy you a beer! [17:37] beerware [17:37] I like it [17:37] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:39] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host180-26-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.29) left irc: [17:40] the downside of using hardlinks is when you have to find & remove hundreds of them... [17:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] also, i haven't tested any of my PAM scripts against the latest -current, new KDE in there now [17:41] i have no idea what's up with that yet [17:42] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-71-168-139-251.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] i would not be very surprised if KDE has to be recompiled.. [17:43] aye [17:43] not my problem tho [17:43] <3 xfce [17:43] i rebuild KDE anyway [17:43] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] I rebuild kde like once a week, just for kicks. [17:44] on a core2 duo laptop "-march=prescott -Os" makes a distinctly noticable difference [17:44] macavity: Is that so? what about -O2 -fPIC and using a 64 bit os? [17:45] on -current, -march=core2 is better [17:45] (for your core2duo) [17:45] -O2 is 20-30% slower on application startup on my machine [17:45] thrice`: aye :-) [17:46] thrice`: though, it translates to the same.. the instruction scheduling is identical for those two [17:47] actually, core2 might only be 64-bit [17:47] Core2 almost always have EM64T [17:47] But not forcibly. [17:48] that is of little interest to me.. i run Slackware :P [17:48] Core 2's do always have EM64T [17:49] I mean, core2 as a -march flag for gcc 4.3.x [17:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:49] meant* [17:49] roger [17:50] thrice`: are you on -current now? [17:50] lupin (n=lupin@host175-108-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:50] no, i run slamd64, which hasn't done the last batch of updates [17:50] who is using kde 4.2.1 in current? [17:51] sorry, first of all "hei you all" :-) [17:52] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [17:54] this is going to be hilarious [17:55] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] i wonder if -mfpmath=sse,387 has been declared stable in gcc 4.3.x [17:55] lupin: I just got yelled at for surprising my gf with 4.2.1. She demanded an immediate reversion to 3.5.10. Why do you ask? [17:56] lol, james, you are evil [17:56] eviljames, hehe [17:56] If it makes anyone feel better I called her a luddite and told her to embrace the future [17:56] lol [17:56] She told me that if I wanted her to embrace anything I'd have to put it back. [17:56] Action: eviljames lost that battle. [17:57] figures [17:57] can 3.5.10 & 4.2.1 coexist ? (prolly require a custom build, = one in /usr and another in /usr/local including custom qt) ? [17:57] hello, I'm very new to Slackware, can someone help me configure wireless on it with WPA2? [17:57] Pig_Pen: that is very very hard to do [17:57] Pig_Pen: I had both going on my LFS build. /opt/qt3 /opt/qt4 /opt/kde3 and /opt/kde4 [17:57] macavity: It's not that hard if you build things right :D [17:58] or indicate me a link? [17:58] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] can't find on google [17:58] hmm, i never tried it, just thought i would throw that out there [17:58] solitron: are you using wicd? [17:58] solitron: it is in /extra [17:58] solitron, Im with macavity, use wicd [17:58] Pig_Pen: They actually coexist really well, from what I could tell. [17:58] solitron: else you read the manpages for wpa_supplicant and wpa_supplicant.conf [17:59] I don't have /extra [17:59] you have slackpkg [17:59] ok, I'll try macavity [17:59] eviljames: as long as you dont get any $PATH polution [17:59] requires a custom build for sure [17:59] solitron: /extra is a directory on the install media [17:59] ok, i gotta take a shower and wash the sawdust and sweat off [17:59] lupin (n=lupin@host175-108-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:59] slackpkg download wicd [18:00] solitron: what slackytude said :P [18:00] solitron: this is also a good read: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption [18:00] macavity: You just have to be careful in how you set $PATH [18:00] aye [18:01] afk [18:01] I think it's just something to configure [18:01] tried wpa_supplicant.conf [18:02] yes, but wicd is nice for laptops [18:02] anyways, knowing what is going on is never a bad idea [18:03] the litterature that has been suggested to you will get you up to speed with the ins and outs [18:04] anyhows.. latarz peepolz! 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[18:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] andarius: Greetings. How are you? [18:15] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h114n2c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:15] salutations firebird619. i am goot. how are you ? [18:16] andarius: I am doing great. Thank you. [18:16] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:16] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host180-26-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:16] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host180-26-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:19] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:20] loXx (n=loxx@unaffiliated/loxx) joined ##slackware. [18:21] almost done [18:22] nope, i just undid half of it [18:22] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/PAM_README [18:22] AlanCox (n=LNX@85.139.11.228) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:22] nice disclaimer [18:23] lol [18:23] "HERE BE DRAGONS" [18:23] exactly [18:23] uncharted slackware pam land [18:24] Action: slackytude nods [18:24] i left out the kde and x11 dirs because those were huge [18:24] better than sama 4, tho [18:24] also, cracklib directory is missing the allwords file [18:24] pacbell won't seem to let me upload it [18:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:27] there [18:27] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/PAM_README [18:27] fixed [18:27] a shit [18:28] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [18:28] ok really fixed this time [18:28] use refresh [18:29] F5. [18:30] keyboard shortcuts are the win. [18:30] you guys will see some of my neurotic notes [18:30] please disregard the crazy ones [18:30] I use F6 every 30 seconds or so [18:30] loXx (n=loxx@unaffiliated/loxx) left ##slackware. [18:30] on that note, my fingers are actually programmed to type: F6-www.reddi [18:30] chopp, I did what was in the link you gave but it's still not working [18:31] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:33] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-117-249.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] so tell me. When would be a good time to do a ftp install? [18:36] you can tell opera to automatically refresh every few secounds [18:36] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] tribeca (n=naitso@host214-240-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [18:37] panzer: since it is geared for local ftp server any time you have it set up correctly [18:38] ok [18:38] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:39] JUst wondering cause I don't do this often enough to require local ftp server [18:39] panzer: you can just use http [18:39] well if you dont have a local ftp server i would say a good time for ftp install is never :) [18:39] i just export my local -current directory as a directory in apache [18:39] or use samba too [18:40] Action: straterra waits for ipv6 samba [18:40] Suprano_ (n=anonym00@p5B084EFC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [18:40] Suprano_ (n=anonym00@p5B084EFC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Action: macavity waits for samba4 [18:41] not to mention OpenChange :P [18:41] Action: andarius waits for nothing and drinks his beer [18:41] samba4 would be nice [18:41] straterra, :( [18:41] well see that is the thing. Yea I can see current installs from say another machine where you might be reloading alot [18:41] but yea just wondering. [18:42] nix_chix0r: why frowny? [18:42] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h114n2c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A7430B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] straterra, no baby yet [18:43] wtf? [18:43] nix_chix0r: Oh...gf went to the dr today..and shes confirmed pregnant this time lol [18:43] nix_chix0r: lame. [18:44] sex don't work, spicy food don't work, hot baths don't work @#@%# [18:44] straterra, tell her to make up her mind on the babymovement [18:44] I think her mind is made up [18:44] why no baby? [18:45] #slackware demands more [18:45] his cord is stuck they cant induce me till it moves out of the way naturally, otherwise i'll have to get a c section [18:45] :( [18:45] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] i got an e-mail from his blackberry that said : not moving out till i'm 25 [18:46] 35* [18:46] lol [18:46] gona start charging rent for my uterus:| [18:46] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.221) joined ##slackware. [18:47] oh nuts [18:47] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A7430B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] on the lighter note with all this free time i have, i finally updated slack on my laptop to current:)) [18:47] you will not be having the free time here soon [18:48] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-117-249.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:48] I have a spare lappy I was thinking of doing current on [18:48] not gonna use prod machines anymore [18:48] I wonder why [18:48] panzer, you're right on that one [18:48] wutlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [18:49] nix_chix0r, I hope when the happy time comes that your b/f/husband will come in give us the good news :-) [18:49] or bring lappy to hospital [18:50] dive: what you can't hear her screaming from the hospital? [18:50] i'll bring the lappy they seem to not mind, and i'll let him do it. [18:50] got to love that. Let him do it [18:50] panzer, not from the UK [18:50] udk (i=evaldo@freenode/staff/udontknow) joined ##slackware. [18:50] well nix_chix0r you will just have to scream a wee bit louder [18:50] panzer, but you guys do scream louder than us, so... [18:50] he just went downstairs and slammed the doors. he was putting in a transitional peice for the livingroom and is having a tantrum [18:50] god [18:50] what [18:50] us men do that sometimes. [18:51] i asked if he needed help [18:51] nullboy, Im sleepy and going offline now [18:51] nullboy, Ill come back to you for my pamz [18:51] it looked fine to me =\ [18:51] see ya [18:52] good night all [18:52] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A7430B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "sleep" [18:52] nini [18:52] udrunknow (i=evaldo@freenode/staff/udontknow) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:54] this is like waiting for 12.3 - you know it's there but the bugger won't pop out [18:54] well almost got the dual 1.6g installed. [18:54] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:54] but 12.3 don't have a due date [18:55] i think 12.3 is far out [18:55] see so not like waiting on 12.3 [18:55] Action: panzer smiles [18:55] deplorable (i=1000@dial-76.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] I'm gonna fish out my old lappy and put current on it just for the hell of it [18:56] then I will be back to ask many questions :-) [18:56] No body noticed the version number 12.34567890 yet? [18:56] i did [18:56] i posted that in here a few day sago [18:57] hello again. I'm thinking about focusing on the Blackbox window manager on my new (first) Slackbox. I was hoping someone could help me jump ahead in the documentation and tell me if there is a key combination similar to Windows ALT+Tab for changing focus. I can't find it playing hit and miss. [18:57] actually i mentioned in #slackbuilds [18:58] #slackbuilds.chat/2009-03-11.204253-0700PDT.txt:38:(2009-03-11 21:02:36) nullboy: the installer version is 12.34567890 [18:58] nullboy: You mentioned it here too. [18:58] ah [18:58] Thanks anyway. [18:58] probably from my server and i can't grep its logs right now [18:58] I'll keep reading. [18:59] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] cig break bbl [19:00] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:01] wutlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: "Leaving" [19:02] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:02] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [19:03] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:03] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [19:03] jescis (n=jescis@98.80.28.196) joined ##slackware. [19:07] was at the wm selection screen. for some reason print screen was hit and dumped me back down to the console. Any recommendations to get back to the install? [19:07] I just reinstalled slackware 12.2 and after installing the ati drivers as well as the compiz-fusion applications, fglrx edrrors with "firegl_SetSuspendResumeState FAILED -9" what did I not do, or did wrong? [19:08] panzer: try using atl+F# to get back to the install [19:08] damn typos [19:08] dropped to cmd line on alt-f1 [19:08] hmm [19:08] sounds like the installer bailed out [19:08] yea [19:08] i've never had that happen [19:09] error* [19:10] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:13] ok so installer died. can someone pastebin a 12.2 fstab? this is a testbed so time to fix it [19:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:13] panzer, if installer died why would an fstab help? [19:14] can't find fstab [19:14] because he can manually fix it... [19:14] where did it die? [19:14] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11030 [19:14] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:14] machine boots [19:14] ok [19:15] ~proably a lot more then fstab is missing [19:16] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:16] of course prob. but this is a garbage install [19:16] so just playing [19:17] noizze (n=noise@p549CFB5D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Can i upgrade straight from KDE 3.x to KDE 4.2.1 from current? [19:18] only if you upgrade to all of -current [19:18] sure, i want [19:18] but what about the old depreached packages? [19:19] slackpkg clean-system [19:19] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [19:19] if the changelog mentions removing some old stuff, just removepkg them [19:19] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:21] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [19:21] deplorable (i=1000@dial-76.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:22] wb nix_chix [19:22] Nick change: gm152_ -> gm152 [19:25] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176082030.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:25] should i rename my ~/.kde before I start it the first time? [19:26] Yes [19:26] noizze, you might want to at least back it up [19:27] anf if your ever use xfce - backup ~/.config too [19:27] ok, i am really excited to try the new KDE even I'm a Openbox user since years [19:28] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] nix got connection probs? [19:29] as well as delivery [19:29] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host180-26-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [19:30] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:30] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-9-104.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] tr0nd (n=tr0nd@h219n8c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] Evenin'(or af't'noon or mornin'),folks [19:33] evening here but morining in 1/2 hour :-) [19:33] MLanden: Hello. How are you doing? [19:33] 6:33 PM here. [19:33] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-117-249.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:34] ag3ntugl1 (n=x@doc-24-32-9-104.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:34] good t'hear,dive [19:34] doin' fine,firebird619....y'rself? [19:34] I'm doing great. Thank you. [19:34] np [19:36] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-197-182.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:38] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-117-249.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:38] dramnhattan (n=rafa@189-68-140-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:38] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] dramnhattan (n=rafa@189-68-140-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [19:42] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Connection timed out [19:42] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:44] MLanden, can I just make a remark on your punctuation? I hope you don't take this badly but it is usual to leave a space after commas and fullstops. [19:44] MLanden, I just mention this because sometimes it is hard to read [19:45] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.136.28) joined ##slackware. [19:45] lordy what ##slackware doesnt need is a grammar nazi :D [19:45] yes i does [19:45] Sorry about that [19:45] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] em ar ducks, em ar not ducks, o s a r, l i b, em ar ducks [19:46] Action: dive goes off to play ut now [19:46] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [19:46] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:46] oh damn i can't [19:47] upgrading to current using slackpkg will make me lag like hell [19:47] Nick change: Stx -> Guest89621 [19:47] haha, you have to read all out gramatically incorrect kludge comments [19:47] Pig_Pen, em r nt ducks, m r swans [19:47] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [19:48] alienBOB: does this firewall look allright to you? Or anyone else who cares to look? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11031 [19:51] chopp: what's it doing that's bad? [19:52] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [19:52] nullboy: I think I have it fixed now, I just can't shut the firewall box down till later tonight to test it. [19:52] what was happening though? [19:52] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:53] I was getting a bad DROP message, but changed it to what the pastebin is now. [19:53] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:54] mithenks (n=eymrich@213.243.231.14) joined ##slackware. [19:56] geez my connection was failboat [19:56] looks like it [19:57] shOne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-208-72.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:57] chopp: did you build scripts for the wifi + ethernet bridge yet? [19:57] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:57] hello fine gentlemen [19:58] shOne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-208-72.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [19:58] tr0nd (n=tr0nd@h219n8c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:58] nullboy, hello good sir [19:58] it is nearly 5pm here [19:58] you know what THAT means...if you're not here, it's 5pm somewhere and if you are here it's 5pm [19:58] yeah, here to [19:58] it' 2 minutes before midnight here [19:59] Evening,nullboy. How's the afternoon treating you? [19:59] too [19:59] i think tonight is a rum night [19:59] beer for me [19:59] in 2 minutes it will no longer be friday 13th [19:59] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] beer here [19:59] 1 mi n [19:59] nullboy: yes, the bridge works great. [19:59] big ben chimes... [20:00] yay sat 14th [20:00] Today is Pungenday, the 73rd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 [20:00] Next SubGenius holiday: March 17 The Feast of the Blessed Leprechaun [20:00] am i missing something or does kwin no support dragging windows between desktops in kde4 yet? [20:00] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:00] Action: dive survived another fri 13th - phew [20:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] oh damn right after i ask that [20:01] 'Traverse windows on all desktops' [20:02] The desktop grid is pretty nice for that. [20:02] it doesn't seem to work with the compositing enabled though [20:02] so how do you like kde4, nullboy? I'm running 3.5.10 here [20:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:03] hitest: at first i didn't like it. it's a big change compared to 3.5.10 but after about a week now i'm starting to like it more [20:03] it was like GUI shock initially [20:03] ah [20:04] i hadn't even seen screenshots. the first time i saw kde4 was the first time i installed it from current [20:04] is it faster, less resource hungry than 3.5.10? [20:04] nullboy, can you still run /usr/libexec/xscreensaver/xmatrix -root on it? [20:05] /usr/libexec/xscreensaver/xmatrix works [20:05] yeah but does -root play it on desktop? [20:05] -root doesn't seem to work for me [20:05] thought sp [20:05] so [20:05] i have the kwin compositing enabled [20:07] i think the desktop is completely different than kde 3.5.10 was [20:07] it's all widget based now [20:09] interesting:) [20:09] you mean it's all plasmiod based :) [20:10] what's a plasmoid? [20:10] yeah [20:10] is that like a quantum physics particle? [20:10] danc3: what kde4 calls widgets [20:10] oh [20:10] k [20:11] kde4 calls it a widget right here in the interface.... [20:11] danc3: it's an 'oid that uses the KDE plasma interface [20:11] gotcha [20:11] nullboy: they must have changed the name of them then [20:11] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Action: danc3 doesn't see KDE too often... (if ever) [20:12] danc3: eg, it can dock into both the desktop and/or regular "applet" containers.. but has full access to all the new goodies [20:12] i see [20:13] nullboy, sorry that should have been glmatrix, not xmatrix [20:13] wow that sucked [20:14] it took over the whole screen [20:15] it should just run on the desktop background - that was the way in kde 3.x [20:15] looked really cool [20:15] yeah the desktop is handled totally differently now [20:16] same for xfce... [20:16] what a bugger [20:16] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:17] ok.. time to hit the bunk [20:17] nn all [20:17] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [20:17] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.151.34) joined ##slackware. [20:20] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176082030.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [20:20] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:24] has anyone tried to build SBo's avidemux on the latest -current? [20:25] bbiaw,folks [20:25] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [20:25] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:25] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h114n2c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:25] wow hard reset after exiting xfce [20:25] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] Nick change: dive^ -> dive [20:26] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [20:29] nullboy, not I. [20:29] I use mplayer tho. [20:29] Does that count? [20:29] mplayer builds fine [20:30] avidemux is an editing tool [20:30] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11032 [20:30] has anyone tested mplayer or other progs in console now that -current svgalib is compiled without kernel module? [20:30] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.136.28) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:31] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [20:31] dive: how can i test it? [20:31] that's my biggest worry [20:31] like mplayer -vo svga [20:31] like mplayer -vo svga [20:31] in a term or in a new VT? [20:31] got to be plain linux tty console [20:32] no X [20:32] can X be running at all? [20:32] well it can but better without ;P [20:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:33] dive: I tried that with X running and got: svgalib: Cannot open /dev/mem. [20:33] I don't know how much speed the k module gave it... [20:33] hmm [20:34] dive: I am using latest current and XFCE 4.6. [20:34] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] no /dev/mem? [20:34] ot just perms problem? [20:34] dive: Must be perms problem. /dev/mem exists. [20:35] ok 'ls -l /dev/perms' gives? [20:35] god [20:35] sorry [20:35] 'ls -l /dev/mem' gives? [20:36] dive: crw-r----- 1 root kmem 1, 1 2009-03-13 06:52 /dev/mem [20:36] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) joined ##slackware. [20:36] hmm same as mine [20:37] I would hazard a guess and think that the old kernel module had access but svgalib doesn't [20:37] since the kernel module must by default have root privs [20:38] solitron_ (n=solitron@a81-84-69-203.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:38] dunno when this -current finishes off I must investigate but thanks for the report [20:39] it tries to work [20:39] dive: Your welcome. [20:39] i just don't have anything that mplayer will play in the first place [20:39] that could be a problem [20:40] i get sound but no video [20:40] from a .mov [20:41] in X it plays though [20:41] i never found an audio or video format that mplayer wont play, always worked good for me [20:41] ... [20:41] mplayer IS playing it [20:41] nullboy: asked in #mplayer? [20:41] god. [20:41] it's not a problem for me [20:42] dive asked a question and we are reporting [20:42] [ in bed ] [20:43] nullboy: i'll be up to speed sometime next week ;) [20:44] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-208.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [20:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] nullboy, thanks - will look at that then - sounds like video isn't so great [20:45] crap [20:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:46] nullboy, thanks - will look at that then - sounds like video isn't so great [20:46] well that didn't end well [20:46] :D [20:46] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-117-249.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 128 (Network is unreachable) [20:46] i got video to play in 16 colors [20:46] then it crashed my system [20:46] mm [20:46] ouchies [20:47] well I have -current coming on a spare box - guess I will need play with it a while when it's done [20:47] dive: it [20:47] it [20:47] adsgadsfg [20:47] Channel flood from nullboy -- kicking [20:47] damn it [20:47] nullboy kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:47] lol [20:47] dont forget that files get corrupted on occasion, i have found video files that wont play on any app, either mplayer or xine, and even emailed my brother a link so he could try on his XP and it still wont play [20:48] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:48] it's probably because i'm using vesa in CLI and the nvidia driver in X [20:48] yeah but this was a 'will it play with -vo svga' question [20:48] ah, ok, my bad, whack me with a cluestick [20:48] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) left irc: Connection timed out [20:49] hmm yeah I think it makes a difference which driver you use for console [20:49] Action: dive grabs Pig_Pen and puts him in a butty with loads of hp sauce and an egg' [20:49] pigs mean meat [20:49] ! [20:50] bbq pork is my favorite, hog fat rules! [20:50] mmmmmmmmmmm [20:50] heck yeah [20:50] solitron (n=solitron@81.84.154.27) left irc: Connection timed out [20:52] Action: dive goes off to look for food [20:52] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "switching to laptop" [20:53] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Action: dive realises that he's only got crap in the fridge but cooks it anyway [20:54] i had bacon & eggs and toast for supper [20:55] looks like lanb for me [20:55] but i like lamb [20:56] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:57] gigo (n=alpha@89-97-35-71.ip15.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Nick change: mshade_begone -> mshade [20:58] the closest thing to lamb i have here is some wool slippers :D [20:59] lamb is sweet [20:59] lamb chops done right [21:01] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-208.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Leaving" [21:02] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [21:03] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [21:04] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:05] chicken tonight.....beer later:) [21:06] help umode [21:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:07] mmm beeer [21:07] Action: pirving wants a six pack but is broke [21:07] Action: frullet has a six pack of bundy rum [21:07] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.102.126) joined ##slackware. [21:08] Some European beer waiting for me [21:08] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [21:09] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Hrm, my processor is running flat out even when I am not doing anything. [21:11] cpu MHz : 3013.918 [21:11] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:11] Maybe I need to install some type of CPU frequency scaling.. [21:12] cpufreq [21:12] gigo (n=alpha@89-97-35-71.ip15.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [21:12] dusty_, should be in default kernel but maybeyou have to modprobe it [21:12] Yep, gotta modprobe the appropriate driver. [21:19] Cpu(s): 8.8%us, 1.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.8%id, 8.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st [21:19] bryjen (n=bryjen@cpe-75-81-243-228.we.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] modprobe acpi-cpufreq is a good start [21:20] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.75.83.87) joined ##slackware. [21:20] trying to share some files from the Ubuntu box of my buddy to my slacky. Mounted the nfs folder but got permission denied? [21:21] Thanks guys. I am reading over: http://slackwiki.org/CPU_Frequency_Scaling. [21:24] The trial and error approach in finding the correct module - could this damage my CPU ? [21:26] on_demand is usually recomended [21:26] on_demand is the governor not one of the power saving modules. [21:26] thats not a module though.. [21:27] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.221) left irc: "Leaving" [21:27] I need to load one of the modules in: /lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq and the ondemand one. [21:27] model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ [21:27] there should only bu acpi_cpufreq [21:27] modprobe that [21:27] then do something like: [21:27] /bin/echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor [21:27] root@slacky:/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq# ls | wc -l [21:27] 14 [21:27] root@slacky:/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq# [21:28] acpi_cpufreq won't load [21:28] yeah b.. [21:28] why? [21:28] root@slacky:/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq# modprobe acpi-cpufreq [21:28] FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device [21:28] root@slacky:/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq# [21:28] root@slacky:/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq# ls -l acpi-cpufreq.ko [21:28] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13804 2008-11-21 04:21 acpi-cpufreq.ko [21:28] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] umm yeah use a pastebin [21:29] I think it may be one of the powernow modules. [21:29] Sorry, will do kitche - my bad. [21:29] then it doesn't think you have a supported cpu [21:29] It's been a looong day =( [21:29] dive, so go with the trial and error approach then.. ? [21:29] which cpu do you have? [21:30] woohoo [21:30] I loaded the powernow-k8 module and it loaded - watch grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo dropped to 3000.000 [21:30] I pasted it above dude.. [21:30] model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ [21:30] Lots of updates today it seems. [21:30] Or no, that was on the 9th. [21:31] so is the powernow-k8 and cpufreq_ondemand ok to use? [21:31] powernow-k8 does that even support 64? [21:31] yeah u r late [21:31] powernow: This module only works with AMD K7 CPUs [21:31] powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ processors (2 cpu cores) (version 2.20.00) [21:31] kitche, sho do. [21:31] it appears as though it does kitche ? ^^ [21:31] K7 is Athlon/Athlon XP, K8 is Athlon 64. [21:31] thats the output of dmesg | tail. [21:31] I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 [21:31] Although with an AMD64 you may/may not want to use the conservative governor instead. [21:31] Action: kitche does not know since many systems are removing k8 programs to some different name [21:32] Action: dusty_ is confused [21:32] ccfreak2k, what do you recommend, powernow-k8 loaded and knocked the cpu speed down ? [21:32] Action: thrice` uses ondemand with his core2duo [21:33] yeah I would say on demand [21:33] ccfreak2k, whats the difference between conservative and on demand, also whats the better of the two ? [21:33] that's what the acpi guys recommend aparently [21:33] They're the same, except conservative prefers lower speeds and "is reluctant to change speeds". [21:34] define reluctant in that sense.. [21:34] which would be the safer of the two to use going on my processor ? [21:34] Means it won't change speed as often. [21:34] hmm [21:34] on_demand I assume is as and when the power is needed it is granted ? [21:35] they are as safe as each other, but on demand boosts up when need and conservative will have another look first [21:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.151.34) left irc: "leaving" [21:35] ok cool [21:35] most appriciated guys/ [21:35] in fact 'they' say that on demand is less strain on system [21:36] dunno how that works out but there you go.. [21:36] Action: dusty_ nods.. ondemand it is. [21:36] Either one is "safe", but AMD64 Cool'n'Quiet was slow from what I heard. [21:36] Also, it appears that KDE 4 made its way out of /testing. [21:37] ccfreak2k, I'm more worried by the changes in svgalib in -current :-) [21:38] you can have your gui [21:38] I'm worried about complications from upgrading KDE. [21:38] remove old, install new, use fresh .kde*. not complicated :) [21:38] Although the ACPI shutdown issue mentioned in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT bit me in the ass on one of my other boxes. [21:40] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:42] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:46] Wait a second. [21:47] If KDE4 is out of /testing, does that mean the Qt4 on SBo is obsolete? [21:47] Well, there's an official qt4 so I'd say deprecated. [21:47] ccfreak2k, no since 12.2 is still a release [21:47] Linus (n=LNX@85.139.11.241) left irc: Client Quit [21:47] Yes, depreciated, at least for -current. [21:48] --current is supposed to be a 'non-consideration' for SBo. [21:48] Has anyone installed Wine under Slackware 12.2 using alienBOB's package ? [21:48] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wine/pkg/12.2/ [21:49] if it's in -current then you should upgrade to that version and leave SBo alone [21:49] pilipo (n=pilipo@122.55.51.202) joined ##slackware. [21:50] is that directed at me, dive ? [21:50] no [21:50] ok [21:51] ccfreak2k: not really since some programs migh like a higher version of qt [21:51] but I did install wine from SBo the day afore yesterday - don't recall if it was Alien's or Robby's [21:51] dusty_, [21:51] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: "leaving" [21:51] what is SBo? [21:51] slackbuilds.org? [21:51] yes [21:51] ye [21:51] ah [21:51] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.102.126) left irc: "Leaving" [21:52] ccfreak2k, if you want the higher version of qt to be issued by SBo ask the maintainer at SBo to upgrade it. just because the app is --current now, does not mean (a) use --current in lieu of sbo (b) that qt is dropped from SBo for Slackware 12.2 as ... Slackware 12.2 != --current [21:52] Yes. [21:52] I kind of said that. [21:52] ok it's Robby's [21:53] Old_Fogie, yeah that's what I meant (I think) [21:53] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:53] but apps compiled for 12.2 won't always work in -current [21:54] so use the -current and see [21:54] or use the version in -current and see [21:55] Action: dive needs an alcoholometer to ask him 'do you really wanna post?' [21:55] I prefer the ask, hold and wait approach. Asking the dev at SBo to upgrade the buildscripts mean that SBo validates that it will build on 12.2 (which is diff that --current now) and 'plays well with others) :) [21:56] Only thing I found so far that needs bleeding edgq qt is keepass and stellarium. So far so good with the version they got at SBo a.t.m [21:56] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.75.83.87) left irc: "Leaving" [21:56] Actually I'm using that version of qt 4 from SBo for slack 12.1 [21:56] builds on that as well [21:58] I'm waiting to build qbittorrent - needs qt4 but also a newer version of libraster that's on sbo [21:58] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [21:58] I'm thinking build libraster myself and host it remotely but dunno how that would go down... [21:59] qbittorrent is imho one of the sweetest gui torrent clients [21:59] dive: qbittorrent is my favorite one to use. I don't have it installed right now though. [22:00] just the search feature makes it worhtwhile.. [22:00] and it's not so much of a bloat monster that azureus turned into [22:00] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:01] yeah, I don't care for azureus at all. [22:01] it was good imo, but why add a media player??? [22:01] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [22:01] dumb move [22:02] I agree. [22:02] transmission is my favorite bittorrent client, simple, straightforward & easy to use [22:03] i hate azureus, it is crap like that is what gives java a bad name [22:04] lol [22:05] Pig_Pen: i have installed transmission, it is really good ;) [22:05] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-0-135.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug." [22:06] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [22:06] transmission would make a good edition to slackware [22:06] not tried it yet [22:06] mhm [22:07] i bet if Pat tried transmission he would like it [22:07] also now elinks has a built in torrent client [22:07] does it have a gui, or cli only? [22:07] i'm curious, why is there so much audio players on slack? [22:07] trans [22:07] elinks? isnt that a fork of links web browser? [22:08] yes and it is actually usable on a regular basis [22:08] saves cookies and form info [22:08] transmission has both, you can run either a gtk app or transmissioncli [22:08] transmissioncli is the command line tool [22:09] it also has a daemon [22:09] Pig_Pen, if you have tried cli browsers and been unsatisfied, try elinks a few times and see the difference [22:09] marenz_ (n=anonym00@p5B087409.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] Nick change: marenz_ -> Suprano [22:10] right I will have a look at trans then [22:10] i use links and lynx on occasion, links -g is cool [22:10] but slow [22:11] and you have to repeatedly sign in etc to your usual sites [22:11] elinks will do that auto [22:11] and has ecma scripting to download youtube vids and play them in mplayer :-) [22:11] i may have to give elinks a spin, i might kick links & lynx both to the curb [22:12] it's on sbo but install spidermonkey/js first [22:12] which is also there [22:12] http://elinks.or.cz/ ? [22:13] spidermonkey/js makes it better? [22:13] it will use spidermonkey for javascript [22:13] so yeah [22:13] ok [22:13] spidermonkey is mozilla's standalone javascript engine [22:14] they are both on SBo [22:14] I [22:14] oops [22:14] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] I'm installing that now to check it out too. :) [22:15] at the moment I use elinks for most browsing and 'links -g' for when people post links with images [22:15] i will build spidermonkey & elinks tomarrow, i am getting too sleepy to start tinkering tonite [22:15] dive: I use opera all the time for browser and mail. [22:15] but usually elinks will handle that and pass it to zgv [22:16] but i did download them so i will have the packages already [22:16] rworkman: ping [22:16] Nick change: hing -> higuita [22:16] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [22:16] http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/js/ is this spidermonkey? [22:17] yeah but there's a slackbuild on sbo [22:17] I did it :P [22:17] rhino? or js? ok will look at the slackbuild [22:17] just search for spidermokey [22:17] I have it installed already and testing it out. [22:18] http://www.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/, the download link goes to that url in my previous comment [22:18] use the download link on the sbo page [22:19] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-0-135.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:19] there is a 1.8.0rc1 out but I'm not gonna consider using that until it's stable [22:19] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] grab 1.7.0 [22:19] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:19] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] omzine (n=othermin@200.sub-70-193-248.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] good idea, i tend to stay away from alphas, betas, and rarely use an RC unless it is a 2 or 3 and i know the app to be good [22:20] 1.7.0 came out around 2 years ago [22:20] what is that rhino package? [22:20] the first update started this week [22:21] dunno rhino [22:21] let me see [22:21] dive: elinks seems nice. How do you enter something, for example into the search box on youtube? I am trying, but it brings up a downloads box. [22:21] js-1.7.0 it is then, i got them on my desktop for something to tinker with saturday morning with coffee :D [22:21] firebird619, when you get in an input box press enter to enter insert mode [22:22] Pig_Pen, yeah it will be worth it [22:22] dive: Ah. Thanks. :) [22:23] dive: It says I seem to have JavaScript turned off. I installed that js package, is there something I have to configure for it to work? [22:23] firebird619, there is also another great feature - if you escape then go to links menu and down one, you can use external editor - very handy for using vim and pasting/copying stuff from pastebins [22:24] dive: Nice. I will have to play around with it a bit. I have never really used a cli browser before. [22:25] firebird619, firebird619 press escape, use arrows to go 'setup' then 'options' then you should have a section called 'ecma' - check that enabled is '1' [22:25] dive: Ok, thanks. [22:25] but it should be on - so dunno why it isn't [22:26] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:26] use spacebar to expand options by the way [22:26] Suprano_ (n=anonym00@p5B084EFC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:27] dive: It shows the ECMAScript Enable value as 1. [22:27] firebird619, some sites will still say you have javascript turned off even though it's enables - beware [22:27] enabled* [22:28] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [22:28] dive: Ok, thanks. It's fun to play around with. [22:28] there are some places a text browser just won't work [22:28] I have 2 sites at the moment when I need to boot X and use firefox [22:29] but if you run in console most of the time anyway booting up for 2 sites don't hurt [22:29] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] dive: Yeah, I very seldom use firefox and instead use opera. I want to try opera 10 preview, but haven't found a way to have it use a different directory. I don't want it using ~/.opera because version 10 uses a new mail format that the old version can't use. [22:30] I am usually in X, using XFCE. [22:31] you could make a bash script to mv the correct .opera dir to .opera and then start the version you want [22:31] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:32] like if you copy .opera to .opera9 and have another .opera10 folder [22:32] #!/bin/bash [22:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:33] hmm was thinking - but needs more thought [22:33] cp -a ~/.opera9/* ~/.opera [22:33] opera [22:33] dive: Yeah, I could do that. I have an HD that I use for backup, so I do have my ~.opera folder backed up, I just want a way to use opera 10 on it's own folder so it doesn't change the mail format. A script would probably work good for that. [22:33] I will have to give that a try. Thanks for that idea. [22:34] firebird619, you ever used the nick bird? [22:34] like birdNNN [22:34] ? [22:34] dive: No. [22:34] k [22:35] it is sleepytime for me, i can no longer keep my eyes open, have a good weekend everyone :D [22:35] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [22:35] Hey guys, is there anything special I need to do to get HD working through my monitor on my slackware 12.2 install. I have the correct video card drivers installed for the geforce 9500 gt, both monitors are connected via HDMI, so if I play a dvd under this now in X will it be true HD, as both monitors are full hd ? [22:36] dive: When I first got the Internet, a number of years ago now, I used silvergold as a nick, then changed to firebird619 a few years ago and have used that ever since. [22:38] yeah its just that I new a bird guy once - haven't heard from him for a while and he always used like bird with a number [22:38] hrm [22:38] dive: Oh. [22:39] Is this a good FPS for a Geforce 9500 GT: 30945 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6188.860 FPS ? [22:41] If the framerate is higher with DRI than it is without DRI, then it's good enough. [22:42] dive: With that script idea, do you know of a way that I could have both opera 9.64 and 10 installed without disturbing each other? I was just thinking that if I just have a script that executes "opera" it won't know which version to start. Is there a way to do that? [22:42] well I dont know much about operas install methods [22:43] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:44] been a while since I used i to be honest [22:45] dive: I don't either. I know I can start the Opera 10 from the folder, without installing it. Would I be able to make a script to put in that folder that would automatically backup my Opera 9.64 (~/.opera) to somewhere else and then make it's own folder to use? Well, on first start, it makes it's own folder if there isn't one already. [22:45] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:45] firebird619, yes you should be able to do that [22:46] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:46] dive: Yeah, I guess the Opera 10 is going to have an OperaTurbo feature to speed things up for low bandwidth users, like dial-up users, wireless users, etc. I think it's similar to when the dial-up companies offered the Web Boost programs to compress everything. [22:46] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [22:47] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:47] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:47] dive: Ok, I will try and make a script to do that then, even thought I don't know much about scripts. :) Good thing I have it backed up. [22:48] A script to do this shouldn't be too complicated though. [22:49] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: "Leaving." [22:49] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [22:49] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Is there a way to tell the cp command to automatically copy the ~/.opera folder to ~/.opera.whatever-the-days-date-is ? [22:49] dive: ^ [22:50] yeah look at the 'date'command (man date) [22:50] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] dive: Cool. Thanks. [22:51] dive: Then that script should be easy. Just have to make another one to do about the same for Opera 9.64 (which is installed from SBo) so that it copies back the 9.64 folder and uses it. This is fun. :D [22:51] looks like oddree is dead then...# [22:51] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [22:53] anyone wanna test my crappy little first PHP project? it's a file submission site.. submit via site or email [22:53] MLanden (n=mello@pool-207-68-59-177.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:53] http://picavu.com/ [22:56] pilipo (n=pilipo@122.55.51.202) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:56] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CFA63.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:00] If I want to use the date command within the cp command, don't I have to put the date within some type of brackets or something? I tried it a few ways on my own, but it doesn't seem to work. [23:00] firebird619: can you give an example of the command you're trying and what you're trying to do? [23:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] cp /foo /bar/$(date)-backup [23:01] Or whatever you're trying to do [23:03] ccfreak2k: Ah. I forgot the dollar sign. Now it says that's not a directory, now I just figure out how to tell it to make that and I'm good. Thank you. [23:04] wmaikon (n=wmaikon@189.73.75.110) joined ##slackware. [23:04] The $ means you're trying to do something $pecial. [23:05] ccfreak2k: BTW, I tried that xorgconfig last night for my keyboard, but it didn't solve my issue with the multimedia keys not working, so I have been trying to figure out xmodmap today. [23:07] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B087409.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:08] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-47-245-19.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Zxcvb (n=not_tell@173-23-208-198.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] any idea where I can get a version of chmod that understands the +h (hide) and +r (read only) options when on a fat/fat32/ntfs drive? [23:09] deplorable (i=1000@dial-48.r3.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] FAT and NTFS don't support Unix permissions. [23:11] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:11] I don't think FAT and NTFS support anything Unix files system related. [23:12] They overlap in few areas. [23:12] noizze (n=noise@p549CFB5D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:12] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:12] jkwood: it seems the only way to make files on a fat filesystem read only or hidden is to boot windows in vmware, there has to be a native app to do it [23:13] NTFS and FAT can't understand the UNIX file systems, yes? [23:13] Err [23:13] deplorable: but some versions of chmod can apparently understand ntfs/fat attributes [23:13] They don't have to "understand" UNIX filesystems. [23:14] deplorable: I can't believe the only way to set fat/ntfs attributes is to use vmware [23:14] Good to know. I'm new, by the way. [23:14] deplorable: but other than a man page for chmod, I can't find anything about it [23:15] I wouldn't know. I've been running Slack for a little over a month. I only know what I've seen so far, not much. [23:15] In fact, I'm still working a few things out and dual-booting with Windows 2000. [23:16] You won't get a good intelligent UNIX conversation out of me. lol [23:17] deplorable: but you can learn/ [23:18] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [23:18] I'm working on that. [23:18] I've spent most of today playing with what I think will be my primary window manager; Blackbox. [23:19] deplorable: my first and only love. [23:19] It seems an additional component is needed for key bindings? There's no "ALT+Tab" key combination to change focus by default? [23:20] deplorable: might I recommend xfce? [23:20] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:20] i would recommend fluxbox, hen xfce [23:20] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:20] deplorable: it's lightweight, clean, and supports alt-key conbinations [23:20] That's my only issue so far. I hate having to take my hands off the keyboard to grab a mouse so often. [23:20] i don't think the utils like chmod know anything about the individual filesystems. they deal with interface presented by the kernel. [23:20] +1 for xfce [23:21] bryjen: so vmware it is then [23:21] deplorable: xfce is like going half-way to KDE. [23:21] bryjen: what a pain [23:21] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.168.171) joined ##slackware. [23:21] I notice some mirrors have a slackware-current-iso directory with names like slackware-current-10_Mar_2009-DVD.iso ... are these generally safe to use, or is it better just to use the usual method from slackware-current/isolinux/README.TXT ? [23:21] deplorable: it's not bloated, but still nice and slim, much like unix. [23:21] I don't really like xfce. I can't stand KDE. [23:21] xfce is ok. [23:21] xfce is for people who use their pc's :) [23:21] Action: Old_Fogie hides [23:21] thumbs: xfce is much more Gnome-ish than it is KDE-ish. [23:21] there's the mtools programs for FAT disks. usually floppies [23:21] danc3: did you just call me a gnome-fan? [23:22] ummm, nope [23:22] Action: thumbs kills danc3 [23:22] bryjen: I doubt it will work for an 8GB flash drive [23:22] fluxbox is like blackbox that works [23:22] bryjen: heck, it probably can't handle fat32, only fat16 [23:22] yeah. xfce is ok. KDE itself, I can't stand. [23:22] It's too cartoonish. [23:22] bryjen: fat12, I mean (I doubt it can handle fat16 either) [23:22] xfce is very gnomeish, a lot about it mimics gnome, except the craziness ;) [23:22] no [23:22] I don't know. [23:22] xfce is sane. Gnome is not. [23:23] rodiguim (n=rodiguim@62-244-184-175.cust.exponential-e.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] thumbs, yup. but xfce does copy a *lot* of the design concepts of gnome...they just fix them and make them better :) [23:23] KDE never suited me, anyway [23:24] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [23:24] I used kde for about a year, then I found out how to pretty up xfce and never looked back [23:24] Old_Fogie: nothing wrong with keeping the highlights of a DE. [23:24] Nick change: udk -> UdontKnow [23:24] Old_Fogie: about a year here too. [23:24] I like that xfce can use the gtk themes from gnome, that's cool [23:24] gnome has very prettty themes and icons imo [23:25] yes [23:25] the community really works hard on icons, and skins. [23:25] kde-look site is so slow, I can hardly navigate it [23:25] I think there may be some issue with my connection to them or something, it's just aweful. been like that for a long time [23:25] kde is big, in all aspects. [23:26] I'm so lost in kde4 [23:26] they had a tremendous vision, but set their goals too high [23:26] I find it very unintuitive [23:26] Old_Fogie: kde-look loads quickly here. [23:26] I disagree. [23:27] I find it unintuitive, as for the gadgets right, they dont even have tooltips on the icons on the right side of it. I have no idea what they do. It's not in the help either. [23:27] maybe they'll add things like that later tho [23:27] othermindszine (n=othermin@166.sub-70-193-33.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [23:28] But they need a windows "movie" ; like a what's new movie, like a youtube video playing or something. The whole desktop design is so different than anything out there, they need to 'show' it. [23:28] on the first time you get in there. [23:28] I booted KDE 4 on Slax on a machine with 768 megs of ram, and it ran like greased lightning. [23:28] It is *not* slow and *not* bloated. [23:28] jkwood: faster than kde3? [23:28] it's just feature overloaded and underdocumented (at this time) I find [23:28] Yes. [23:28] awesome [23:28] that'll probably change tho [23:28] well I liked it when it would run glmatrix -root on the desktop - it dont do that no more [23:29] Erm... no. KDE is dedicated to making the desktop run faster, not slower. [23:29] well my gf loves KDE. [23:29] Also, that whole akonadi is confusing... it looks *just* like what happens when gnome's bug-buddy runs to report errors, my wife said... "honey... something crashed" when she first logged in [23:30] if KDE gets better, I am happy. [23:30] the whole gas gauge on loading in [23:30] I mean [23:30] So change the splash screen on startup [23:30] you cant change the akonadi widgets thing behavior [23:30] that's part of it loading up [23:30] after the splash screen [23:30] you get into kde4 [23:31] then the akonadi stuff runs and loads up [23:31] eh [23:31] isn't akonadi part of the PIM stuff? [23:31] she calls it her K-machine :) [23:31] WEll I told her it wasn't an error, that's just the way they do it...but to tell me if her gnome does that [23:31] It is. [23:31] but it looks like a bug buddy report none the less [23:32] I don't see any akonadi error when I login... [23:32] Dont know what to say, it loads up here (slower pc maybe? so we see it?) [23:32] Do you have mysql installed? [23:33] full install all [23:33] clean homes [23:33] erm.. [23:33] akonadi has a tray utility... [23:33] Hm... it might need mysql to be activated, I'm not sure. [23:33] did you by chance turn that on? [23:33] You can turn akonadi off. [23:33] I dont have mysql running on it tho [23:33] right [23:33] it's installed, but not running the mysql [23:34] the ksplash is neat tho, I do like how it fades in/out tho, that's a nice touch [23:34] btw.. that "crash" is probably the akonadi tray utility.. just.. shut it off hehe [23:34] and yes.. akonadi needs mysql [23:35] Dominian, no it's not crashing the kde... the gas gagues that signify that stuff for akonadi is loading.. looks to a long time gnome user..like the gnome bug buddy found an error and is about to do the bug buddy reporting [23:35] er.. ok [23:35] that's why my wife ( a gnome user) got confused [23:36] Gnome's not even on that pc..she says "honey bug buddy is found an error" ..and ofcourse I chuckled as I dont have gnome on there :) [23:36] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-47-245-19.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:37] But two hours, she aint found how to change wallpaper yet. It's not looking good. [23:37] huh [23:37] it's incredibly simple in KDE. [23:37] apparently not [23:37] unless KDE4 made that more complicated. [23:38] this is the issue I had with her in kde3 too. she's fine in xfce, or gnome. [23:38] but I asked her to really give this kde4 a try [23:38] so why is she on KDE, then? [23:38] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:38] cuz I really dont want to have to keep building gnome every new slack releaes [23:39] fair enough. I just wondered why she's not using xfce. [23:39] thumbs, well I have to get nautilus so she can browse the lan. [23:39] perhaps it's a bit too minimal for most people. [23:39] back up files and stuff [23:39] xfce has no lan browsing built in [23:39] Old_Fogie: I launch konqueror for that, actually. [23:40] shameful, but it works [23:40] You right click, and select Appearance Settings. [23:40] Funny thing, I got mysql complaints from akonadi so I just made the mysql rc +x and restarted. Mysql killed itself during start up. [23:40] problem with konqueror is it has no file monitoring. you can say copy/paste, and the nfs or samba server doesnt show that the file is there until you hit f5 key to refresh. [23:41] Something about a pid file? Don't remember now [23:41] Dolphin has very nice network support. [23:41] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:41] jkwood, let's hope [23:41] MrHales: you must run mysq_install_db first [23:41] MrHales: read the rc.mysqld file. [23:41] about how much disk space does does a full rsync of slackware-current/ take? [23:42] I guess that'd helped [23:42] hehehe [23:42] hollywoodb: One second, I just did one... [23:42] Old_Fogie: oh... right... I just refresh manually. [23:42] vile (i=1000@dial-12.r3.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: "Leaving." [23:42] Old_Fogie: are we trying to replicate the win32 behaviour here? [23:43] 4.3 Gigs. [23:43] jkwood: thanksmuch [23:43] I lost my connection and my nickname. This is deplorable; I was here a few minutes ago. [23:43] No problem. [23:43] Just before losing my connection, I asked if anyone knows the default key combination for changing focus in Blackbox. Was there an answer? [23:44] thumbs, yeah, I really dont want to take the chance that she'll try and delete, or copy/paste and forget the need to hit f5 in konqueror and lose data of some kind. so yeah gnome/xfce for me...and gnome for her only. hopefully kde will fix that issue in kde4, else I cant depend on it for her. [23:45] blusi (i=1000@adsl-99-24-249-190.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] Old_Fogie: funny thing is, I'll with with my girl friend, how she copes with it [23:46] But I got another family member coming over tomorrow. Gonna throw them on kde4 and say "surf net, edit photo, change wallpaper, browse the lan, play a cd" and see how it goes. that'll be a good judge if this is useable or not. [23:46] Old_Fogie: I pretty forced her on linux from a windows background. [23:46] wmaikon (n=wmaikon@189.73.75.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:46] Hello. I have a Linux harddrive as Master, and a Windows harddrive as Slave...I'm curious to know how I would go about adding both of these to my Master Boot Record. Can someone help? [23:46] Linux is on the MBR already btw. [23:46] wmaikon (n=wmaikon@201-3-207-103.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:46] blusi: You're using lilo? [23:46] thumbs, yeah my wifes gravitated to gnome on slack very well (from dropline on 10.2 days). I've been lucky that way [23:46] Yes [23:46] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-to-add-entry-for-windows-in-lilo-89222/ [23:47] Old_Fogie: I am VERY happy. She like linux. [23:47] likes, rather [23:47] Thanks. [23:47] thumbs, yeah only time she boots into windows is for a card making program, or to use our scanner [23:47] Old_Fogie: I told her it was 'better'. She believed me, without having ever used it. [23:47] Now to ban myself. [23:47] Nick change: blusi -> epoch [23:47] or not? [23:47] Action: epoch idles then [23:48] Can Slackware use GRUB? I hear it's somehow better than LILO but doesn't seem to be offered on the disc set. [23:48] vile, 'better' is relative. but that aside, it's in /extra [23:48] It's in extra/. [23:48] And no, grub is not better. [23:48] lilo works just fine. [23:48] Action: danc3 prefers grub [23:49] Old_Fogie: I think that bodes well for years to come. [23:49] The idea that you can't boot Windows from lilo is a lie, just in case anyone ever tries to tell you different. [23:49] Old_Fogie: if we can expose new users and have them like this 'new' platform, then the future is bright. [23:50] I'll give it a try and choose between it and LILO. I don't think it's a big deal since I won't be dual booting. right? [23:50] thumbs, yup [23:50] vile: correct [23:50] I've had no problems with lilo on three different distros as desktop computers [23:50] I know that jkwood. I'm dual booting windows with LILO on this system [23:50] I don't know Slackware well enough to make a full switch yet, but I'm getting there. [23:51] I've barely touched Windows this week. [23:51] three different sets of hardware* [23:51] vile: if you're not gonna dual boot, or boot other linux distros alongside Slack, just stick with the default lilo... [23:51] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] I use grub and lilo (depends on the box) ; never had lilo mess up...grub can do some odd things to a boot record if the pc crashes reall wrong. [23:52] Yeah. Just Slack on this system after I learn enough about it. LILO will probably be fine. For "experience", I'll try GRUB too. I expect to have to reinstall a few times anyway. [23:52] nod [23:52] heck I've had grub fail to boot, cuz it was 'grub-install hd0' with a flash drive inserted, and later went to boot up with the flash drive not in the box..and it wouldnt boot. [23:52] meanwhile, it was a pata hard drive [23:53] the flash shouldnt have even been considered [23:53] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:53] Any thoughts on ext3 VS jfs? I'm avoiding reiserfs [23:54] tho, I do like that grub has some encrypted stuff, I suppose an admin at a nuclear plantmight want that stuff [23:54] Zxcvb (n=not_tell@173-23-208-198.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:54] vile, jfs great for low cpu use, but you can never shrink it down ..down the road if need be. fsck is very fast on jfs. i use it on all my boxes. I like it alot. [23:54] jfs seems to support a larger maximum volume size. [23:55] "shrink it down"; what do you mean? [23:55] ext3 takes my almost an hour to run on a 250gig drive, whereas jfs takes only 30 secons for same drive every 30 days :) [23:55] vile, jfs can't be resized smaller [23:55] if you may ever need that [23:56] vile: I'm on xfs and doing quiet fine. [23:56] that's really the only negative to jfs i can think of [23:56] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:56] You mean, you can't resize a partition? [23:56] why is it ##slackware and not #slackware ? Why are we forwarded [23:56] deplorable (i=1000@dial-48.r3.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:56] you cant make it smaller vile , it can be made bigger, not smaller [23:57] pirving, it's not an "official" channel [23:57] That's all right with me. Thanks. [23:57] vile, yw [23:57] I hear reiserfs is good, but the guy is doing 15 to life for killing his wife. [23:58] xfs isn't for me. I'll try jfs. Thanks again. [23:58] vile: reiser is a great file system. [23:59] vile: the status of his author should have no bearing in your decision [23:59] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] He still owns the company, and I assume, makes money off it. [23:59] Not that he can buy anything except cigarettes. [00:00] --- Sat Mar 14 2009