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[00:01] <Cann0n> woot
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[00:03] <antler> well, we can have our very own little phobia-adventure-game-night right now!
[00:03] <antler> fhobia, i mean
[00:03] <Delahunt> lol
[00:04] <trhodes> e!qoyd
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[00:09] <trhodes> You are standing at the end of a road before a small brick building.
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[00:11] <antler> freeze dragon using my magic sword
[00:11] <trhodes> lol :)
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[00:29] <L0ver> I am going to install the latest kernel related files on my SL13.  What is the sequence of kernel files install?  Is it firmware, smp, modules?
[00:32] <L0ver> The hash files for the kernel and other files are using what algorithm?  I check md5sum, sha256sum and on and don't know how to verify the integrity of the files.
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[00:35] <antler> 1111111111111111111
[00:36] <antler> oops
[00:38] <fire|bird> fail
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[00:39] <L0ver> One more question, is slackware-current bleeding edge?  Should a home user use the stable release or the slackware-current?
[00:40] <stuart_> hi, how do i see what soundcard is in use through console? slack won't let me play some music, it says soundcard already in use but nothing else is on
[00:40] <trhodes> lsof /dev/snd/*
[00:40] <trhodes> err, that's not the card
[00:41] <trhodes> but that should show what is using it
[00:41] <Cann0n> hmm
[00:41] <stuart_> trhodes, best part is, it doesn't show anything
[00:41] <stuart_> does that mean sound server is off, but it was working fine yeserday before reboot
[00:41] <trhodes> duno, do you want to use alsa ?
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[00:42] <L0ver> Is slackware-current bleeding edge?  Should a home user use the stable release or the slackware-current?
[00:42] <Cann0n> O.o
[00:43] <Cann0n> slackware isn't bleeding edge.
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[00:43] <fire|bird> Cann0n: -current is close atm though. :)
[00:43] <stuart_> yup alsa, do i do alsaconf?
[00:43] <Cann0n> current might be close, but there are other distros that rely on updates all the time
[00:43] <trhodes> probably ought to stick with stable if you don't want to / can't fix things yourself
[00:43] <stuart_> or is there some other command to turn it on
[00:43] <fhobia> L0ver: home users should stick to stable
[00:43] <trhodes> alsaconf should do it
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[00:44] <L0ver> I am going to install the latest kernel related files on my SL13.  What is the sequence of kernel files install?  Is it firmware, smp, modules?
[00:44] <trhodes> alsactl store when you're done, stuart
[00:44] <Cann0n> L0ver: you need to read slackbook before you start doing things wrong
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[00:45] <L0ver> This for my eeepc.  The latest drivers are in new kernel.
[00:45] <Cann0n> L0ver: you need to read the slackbook
[00:45] <L0ver> 2.6.32 and later
[00:45] <stuart_> trhodes, hm still can't hear sound
[00:45] <Cann0n> www.slackbook.org
[00:46] <stuart_> how do i turn on a mixer for volume
[00:46] <trhodes> stuart_: how many sounds cards do you have ?
[00:46] <antler> fire|bird: :D
[00:46] <trhodes> alsamixer
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[00:46] <stuart_> trhodes, just one
[00:46] <fire|bird> antler: sorry, just had to point out your fail. :P
[00:46] <trhodes> alsamixer, and then "m" to toggle the "MM" mute under each channel
[00:47] <stuart_> trhodes, still doesn't seem to have any running when i do lsof /dev/snd/*
[00:47] Action: antler duct tapes fire|bird's beak
[00:47] <fire|bird> :o
[00:47] <fire|bird> antler: should have duct taped the wings, that's how I type. :P
[00:47] <Cann0n> L0ver: http://slackwiki.org/Kernel26Compilation
[00:47] <trhodes> stuart_: arrow keys work in the obvious ways, and numbers jump to volume levels
[00:47] <antler> fire|bird: hahaha
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[00:47] <trhodes> stuart_: make sure the hardware side of your sound setup is OK
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[00:48] <trhodes> then toggle all the output channels on
[00:48] <trhodes> (unmute)
[00:48] <stuart_> hardware is definietely ok
[00:48] <Cann0n> you don't just install a bunch of kernel files in order. you gonna configure, compile, install, and run lilo at the end
[00:48] <trhodes> i would assume so
[00:49] <antler> fire|bird: just curious what kind of dl speeds you get from a fast server. what do you top out at?
[00:50] <fire|bird> antler: Hmm, can't recall atm, but my ISP d/l is 12Mbps, I if I run speedtest.net on a server that's about 50 miles away (closest one) I see around 11.40
[00:51] <trhodes> stuart_: what happened recently (besides reboot) that could affect sound ?
[00:52] <L0ver> Cann0n, Both the links are for older methods of updating slackware kernel.  Slackpkg will update without having to recompile a kernel.
[00:52] <init[1]> ok its been 6 months i have complied the kernel , right now i'm trying hard to find option where we could hard code the swap partion into the kernel ,would you mind helping ? greping didn't help .
[00:52] <antler> fire|bird: so ~2MB/sec is not uncommon for you?
[00:52] <stuart_> trhodes, nothing at all. all i did was listen to music, watch some movies, surf, etc.
[00:52] <trhodes> stuart_: /sbin/lsmod| grep oss # what does this show ?
[00:52] <Cann0n> L0ver: do you have a problem compiling a kernel?
[00:52] <init[1]> i mean swap device /dev/whatever
[00:53] <fire|bird> antler: no, not really. :P
[00:53] <stuart_> trhodes, like 10 lines of oss stuff, anything in particular?
[00:53] <L0ver> bbl
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[00:53] <antler> fire|bird: meaning you do see that speed, yeah?
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[00:53] <fire|bird> antler: I have before, yeah.
[00:53] <antler> k
[00:53] <trhodes> stuart_: ok, nothing in particular, are your regular sound modules loaded ?
[00:54] <trhodes> ie, drivers
[00:54] <stuart_> trhodes, no idea bout that though. looks like they aren't
[00:54] <trhodes> what sound hardware are you using ?
[00:54] <stuart_> trhodes, just some intergrated intel sc
[00:55] <trhodes> ohh ok
[00:55] <trhodes> snd_hda_intel or something ?
[00:55] <stuart_> trhodes, yeah probably it, that's what alsa conf said
[00:55] <trhodes> ok, i've had problems with that kind of hardware in the past (!)
[00:56] <trhodes> lsmod | grep intel # or so and then modprobe what you think it was again
[00:57] <trhodes> lsmod | grep intel # to double check
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[00:57] <alisonken1home> lsmod | grep -i intel (modules should be lower case, but might as well make sure)
[00:57] <trhodes> yeah, i feel kinda pedantic puttin' -i on there :P
[00:58] <trhodes> hi alisonken1home :)
[00:58] <alisonken1home> yo trhodes
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[00:59] <stuart_> trhodes, i see a snd_hda_intel and snd_pcm
[00:59] <stuart_> so i modprobbed the hda_intel
[00:59] <stuart_> what next
[01:00] <trhodes> um, wait, it was loaded and then you ran modprobe on it again?
[01:00] <trhodes> i guess I should have been clearer
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[01:00] <trhodes> i doubt that hurts anything
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[01:01] <stuart_> oh so it's loaded, even weirder why there's no sound
[01:01] <trhodes> yeah, oh -- were any channels muted in alsamixer ?
[01:01] <trhodes> i forget how to do it with amixer
[01:02] <stuart_> nope nothing muted in alsamixer
[01:02] <brokedown> you can toggle mute/unmute with the 'm' key
[01:02] <biker> stuart_, you have no sound?
[01:02] <stuart_> biker, yeah no sound
[01:02] <trhodes> stuart wants to hear us, but he can't :P
[01:02] <stuart_> haha yea
[01:02] <biker> stuart_, I had the same problem
[01:02] <stuart_> biker, how did you fix it?
[01:03] <trhodes> i hope it's not driver issues
[01:03] <trhodes> i had a snd_hda_intel on an old acer aspire 5100 that just would not record anything, although the mic output through the speakers
[01:03] <biker> i could fix it by downloading the alsa drivers, libs and all the current ones here: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[01:03] <biker> just download all, compile and install
[01:03] <trhodes> but it recently worked for him
[01:03] <biker> but before that remove all alsa you have
[01:04] <trhodes> and he doesn't know what changed
[01:04] <stuart_> sigh, guess there's no harm trying
[01:04] <stuart_> how do i remove all alsa
[01:04] <trhodes> i'm not saying that won't fix it, but somethin weird's happenin'
[01:05] <biker> stuart_, first of all do as root: slackpkg search alsa
[01:05] <brokedown> I had an ati card with hdmi output that used the same audio chipset and modules as my soundcard, it would always superseed the the soundcard
[01:05] <trhodes> ahh yeah, and some silly webcams act that way too
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[01:05] <biker> there will appear all you have installed and uninstalled,., so uninstall all the ones that say installed like this: removepkg file
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[01:06] <trhodes> /var/log/packages/alsa-* are the alsa ones
[01:06] <trhodes> stuart_: do you have a webcam
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[01:07] <stuart_> trhodes, nope
[01:07] <trhodes> or something that could have some kinda of sound chip ?
[01:07] <trhodes> ok
[01:07] <trhodes> s/kinda/kind
[01:08] <trhodes> well, before you go removing all of alsa, try this:
[01:08] <trhodes> reload the snd_hda_intel module
[01:08] <trhodes> then alsaconf to restart alsa
[01:08] <stuart_> trhodes, how do i kill it
[01:09] <trhodes> i'm not sure what there is to kill :)
[01:09] <stuart_> haha
[01:09] <trhodes> i think it's shared objects or somethin'
[01:09] <trhodes> IIRC alsaconf does that
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[01:11] <trhodes> did I scare him off yet ? :P
[01:12] <fhobia> :-)
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[01:12] <trhodes> rc.alsa stop #for the record
[01:12] <trhodes> but alsaconf does it :)
[01:13] <trhodes> crap, it ignores stop -- fail
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[01:15] <tsccof> okay, back
[01:15] <trhodes> how's the web stuff comin' ?
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[01:15] <tsccof> great!
[01:15] <trhodes> decide on bluefish ?
[01:15] <trhodes> cool :)
[01:15] <tsccof> I am using quanta, kompozer and bluefish
[01:15] <tsccof> I could be using quanta only
[01:16] <tsccof> but my "/" partition is giant
[01:16] <tsccof> no problems about having a lot of software
[01:16] <trhodes> haha, might as well :)
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[01:16] <tsccof> I wish I had a good flash animation programme, though
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[01:17] <tsccof> I will code one from scratch, but not flash based
[01:17] <tsccof> as soon as I learn C
[01:17] <trhodes> haha ;)
[01:17] <fhobia> lot of buzz about how html 5 is supposed to replace flash
[01:17] <tsccof> yeah! and I hope it does
[01:17] <trhodes> learn C in 24 hours !!!
[01:17] <fhobia> does html5 do the same svg motion stuff though ?
[01:18] <fhobia> those cool vector animations? :-D
[01:18] <tsccof> trhodes: got that one, reading it
[01:18] <tsccof> hmm, I do not know much about HTML5
[01:18] <trhodes> well, there's lots to C, the language is a small portion of what you need to learn ;)
[01:18] <tsccof> ;)
[01:18] <trhodes> autotools and APIs
[01:19] <tsccof> do you know C?
[01:19] <trhodes> not very well
[01:19] <tsccof> I will learn C and C++
[01:19] <tsccof> and JAVA
[01:19] <tsccof> they will teach us JAVA and C at the university
[01:19] <tsccof> but I want to master C and C++
[01:19] <trhodes> it takes years :)
[01:20] <tsccof> yeah
[01:20] <trhodes> like music
[01:20] <tsccof> no problem though, I am young
[01:20] <tsccof> XD
[01:20] <tsccof> my thought is that if there was a god, he would have been made in C
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[01:21] <trhodes> C and not scala :P ?
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[01:21] <tsccof> what is scala?
[01:22] <trhodes> a language for language purists (there's tons of 'em however)
[01:22] <tsccof> like FORTRAN?
[01:22] <trhodes> haha
[01:22] <trhodes> i love how all the science stuff is written in fortran
[01:22] <tsccof> how was fortran written?
[01:23] <brokedown> very carefully
[01:23] <trhodes> :P
[01:23] <tsccof> but was any other language used for writing that?
[01:23] <trhodes> sure
[01:23] <tsccof> or was it binary code freaks?
[01:23] <trhodes> whatever you want :)
[01:24] <trhodes> assembly language can be multi-paradigm, too ;)
[01:24] <tsccof> oh yeah, that one
[01:24] <tsccof> lmao
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[01:27] <trhodes> tsccof: http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=creating_flash_animations_on_linux_part_1&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1.
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[01:28] <trhodes> haha
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[01:29] <trhodes> I think inkscape even work with wacom tablets
[01:29] <trhodes> but that's for artsy types with hand-eye co-ordination
[01:30] <trhodes> ie, not me
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[01:31] <trhodes> qflash looks dead
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[01:33] <tsccof> hmm
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[01:34] <trhodes> timestamps of '05 make it look like it never really "lived"
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[01:35] <stuart_> meh, can't seem to get alsa to work
[01:35] <stuart_> but i'll tell you what, the collision game that comes with slack is freaking fun
[01:35] <trhodes> atc ?
[01:36] <stuart_> what's atc
[01:36] <stuart_> Kollision
[01:36] <trhodes> :P air traffic control (a non-collision game)
[01:36] <trhodes> ok
[01:36] <stuart_> damn how come i don't have atc here?
[01:37] <stuart_> does it have to do with xwin because i'm betting Kollision is for KDE
[01:37] <trhodes> it's a bsd game
[01:37] <trhodes> text mode
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[01:37] <trhodes> from y/bsd-games*
[01:38] <trhodes> i still haven't figured out text mode solitaire -- I don't have the patience
[01:38] <stuart_> trhodes, how long have you been using linux and how many distros
[01:39] <stuart_> because you seem so into text, you mustve been messing with it for a long time
[01:39] <trhodes> um, i been slackin' since '08
[01:39] <trhodes> i didn't become linux only 'til '06
[01:39] <trhodes> i fiddled with linux since '00 however
[01:40] <trhodes> i don't know why I shun gui's so
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[01:41] <trhodes> using debian made me avoid learning much of anything
[01:41] <trhodes> as well as having windows around
[01:41] <stuart_> lol
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[01:41] <trhodes> i didn't really learn stuff 'til I slacked
[01:41] <Rat409> cause terms are faster and can look better
[01:41] <stuart_> trhodes, why say that
[01:41] <trhodes> and are much simpler
[01:41] <stuart_> what is it about slack
[01:42] <trhodes> not depending on package repos for every little need and not fighting layers of complexity
[01:43] <trhodes> you learn to do things your way and not someone else's idea of how things ought to work
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[01:44] <fhobia> http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/10002/ubuntu.png
[01:44] <tsccof> absolutely true
[01:44] <fhobia> :-D
[01:44] <trhodes> haha ;)
[01:44] <tsccof> LMAO
[01:44] <tsccof> that is my new wallpaper
[01:45] <trhodes> i now have a foggy idea of how a computer system works, thanks to slack
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[01:45] <tsccof> and it really stable
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[01:46] <tsccof> Debian focuses primarily on stability, but I have found some buggy packages on their repositories
[01:46] <fhobia> i think slackware is buggy too, but i don't think you can help it...its just the nature of software :-P
[01:46] <fhobia> each new release has new bugs :-P
[01:46] <trhodes> they seem to equate stability with old @ debian
[01:47] <tsccof> I have never used a distribution as stable as Slackware
[01:47] <tsccof> though I agree Fedora is not as buggy as people say it is
[01:47] <tsccof> just because it is bleeding edge
[01:47] <tsccof> and RPM based
[01:47] <tsccof> but we are talking about Slack, so stability would be another good point about it
[01:48] <trhodes> i like to attribute some of that to it's philosophy of not messing with upstream arbitrarily
[01:48] <Skrimpz> stable is good
[01:48] <tsccof> yes! another good point about slackware
[01:48] <Skrimpz> vanilla g00sh
[01:48] <tsccof> you can compile a kernel from www.kernel.org and it will work find if you compiled it correctly
[01:48] <trhodes> the debian policy manual's mention of "packagers know best" is BS IMO
[01:49] <tsccof> work fine*
[01:49] <fhobia> i think that works fine for any distro though, tsccof
[01:49] <tsccof> not sure, did not work for Fedora
[01:49] <tsccof> they tweak their kernels
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[01:50] <tsccof> so they told me not to do it one day "do not compile the kernel by yourself"
[01:50] <trhodes> it ought to work, but I don't think it does
[01:50] <ron1n> hey guys, my fonts are all uber tiny now that I connected my pc to my TV.
[01:50] <tsccof> and there I went, compiled it and it did not work after all
[01:50] <trhodes> unionfs would be a big exception
[01:50] <trhodes> dang
[01:51] <ron1n> I can fix them per application, but I'd rather a global fix
[01:51] <Skrimpz> ron1n: its called dpi
[01:51] <trhodes> xfontsel , perhaps? ( i don't know I don't usually mess with those things)
[01:52] <Skrimpz> its in the xfce or kde menus
[01:52] <trhodes> yes, your DE should take care of it
[01:52] <ron1n> Skrimpz: Thanks, I'll take a look
[01:52] <Skrimpz> fonts->font dpi
[01:52] <ron1n> I'm using KDE4 if it matters
[01:53] <trhodes> Skrimpz: learn somethin' new every day :)
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[01:53] <Skrimpz> derp
[01:54] <echelon> is there an empathy slackbuild?
[01:54] <Skrimpz> how would i check?
[01:54] <trhodes> that's gnome-ish
[01:54] <echelon> oh, it require gnome? :/
[01:54] <tsccof> slackbuilds.org ?
[01:54] <echelon> man
[01:55] <tsccof> echelon, can not you compile pidgin?
[01:55] <tsccof> that is not empathy, but does the job
[01:55] <trhodes> yes, gnomeslackbuild would be a good place to look
[01:55] <echelon> i just wanted to try empathy
[01:55] <tsccof> no video/audio though
[01:55] <tsccof> hmm, I find empathy worse than pidgin
[01:55] <Skrimpz> :D
[01:56] <echelon> why would they make it dependent on gnome
[01:56] <echelon> it's dumb
[01:56] <tsccof> because it is empathy
[01:56] <tsccof> joke
[01:56] <trhodes> because it's the point of the project
[01:56] <tsccof> yeah
[01:56] <trhodes> it's why I stick with libpurple :)
[01:56] <Skrimpz> yeah!
[01:56] <Skrimpz> wtf is empathy
[01:57] <echelon> making it not available to other desktop environment users is the point of the project?
[01:57] <trhodes> some desktop integration-crazed instant messenger "framework"
[01:57] <stuart_> does empathy have vid/audio ?
[01:57] <trhodes> probably, yes
[01:57] <echelon> yeah
[01:57] <tsccof> yes
[01:57] <Skrimpz> does it allow shared directories?
[01:57] <tsccof> I do not remember
[01:57] <tsccof> but sometimes it does not even connect
[01:58] <Skrimpz> does it allow private servers?
[01:58] <tsccof> I can't remember that either, lmao
[01:58] <tsccof> I have not used empathy that much
[01:58] <tsccof> because it sucked when I used it
[01:58] <Skrimpz> you
[01:58] <Skrimpz> are
[01:58] <Skrimpz> garbage
[01:59] <tsccof> you are garbage
[01:59] <Skrimpz> :E
[01:59] <tsccof> check out this website
[01:59] <tsccof> www.google.com
[01:59] <tsccof> heard of it?
[01:59] <tsccof> it is been there for a while
[01:59] <Skrimpz> it sucks
[02:00] <tsccof> http://live.gnome.org/Empathy
[02:00] <trhodes> it takes more bandwidth than IRC
[02:00] <tsccof> http://live.gnome.org/Empathy#Current_features
[02:00] <Skrimpz> its easier to run the windows version through wine :P
[02:00] <trhodes> haha, probably
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[02:01] <tsccof> pidgin - skype << do the job
[02:01] <tsccof> skype performs better than MSN in any way
[02:01] <Skrimpz> i use Spark
[02:02] <effy11> I'd beg to differ about skype, it kills RAM much more than MSN
[02:02] <trhodes> empathy looks like the poster child for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_creep
[02:03] <tsccof> effy11, hm, it is very light here (???)
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[02:03] <tsccof> effy11, also the video and audio are better, that is what I meant
[02:03] <effy11> ah right
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[02:03] <tsccof> effy11, no delays
[02:04] <effy11> well, when you run them together alongside firefox ;)
[02:04] <tsccof> effy11, I do not do that
[02:04] <effy11> yeh, it is kinda stupid
[02:04] <tsccof> effy11, I have tested both for some time, skype is faster
[02:04] <effy11> ok
[02:04] <tsccof> but it might use more RAM
[02:05] <tsccof> I am not sure about that
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[02:05] <Skrimpz> you
[02:05] <Skrimpz> are
[02:05] <Skrimpz> garbage
[02:05] <effy11> huh
[02:05] <Skrimpz> :E
[02:05] <ron1n_> Thanks guys, DPI was it.
[02:06] <Skrimpz> ron1n_: thats all me!
[02:06] <trhodes> haa! haa!
[02:06] <ron1n_> Is there a way I can set it in xorg.conf?
[02:06] Action: trhodes take the credit anyways :P
[02:06] <ron1n_> Skrimpz: thanks so much!
[02:06] <ron1n_> trhodes: you get a high five
[02:06] <Skrimpz> gief beer moneys plox
[02:07] <ron1n_> Skrimpz: paypal link plox
[02:07] <Skrimpz> j/k
[02:07] <tsccof> you
[02:07] <tsccof> are
[02:07] <ron1n_> Skrimpz: ditto
[02:07] <tsccof> rubbish
[02:07] <Skrimpz> FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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[02:09] <ron1n_> peace out cub scouts
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[02:09] Action: Skrimpz sighs
[02:11] <effy11> uh, fkin php
[02:11] <effy11> [phpBB Debug] PHP Notice: in file /includes/functions_messenger.php  on line 403: date() [function.date]: It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'UTC' for 'GMT/0.0/no DST' i
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[02:12] <Skrimpz> date_default_timezone_set('EST');
[02:12] <effy11> what's the full directory of that file?
[02:12] <Skrimpz> its a notice....doesnt mean anything
[02:13] <effy11> nvm
[02:13] <Skrimpz> you can dig through mod_php.conf and php.ini  and look for a default setting
[02:13] <effy11> wait
[02:13] <effy11> it was talking about the phpBB3 files
[02:14] <Skrimpz> yea
[02:14] <Skrimpz> [Date]n; Defines the default timezone used by the date functionsn;date.timezone =
[02:14] <Skrimpz> PHP.ini
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[02:15] <Skrimpz> just set that :P
[02:16] Action: tsccof playing Super Bomberman 3 (SNES)
[02:17] <effy11> huh, I did that then refreshed the page and it wouldn't let me finish teh install, I went back to base index.php and my board was installed fine >.<
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[02:19] <Skrimpz> bonus!
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[02:21] <effy11> I set the the line to date.timezone = UTC and it still shows the error O.o
[02:21] <Skrimpz> maybe it needs quotes?
[02:21] <Skrimpz> and have to restart httpd
[02:22] <Skrimpz> or do apachectl somethingconf
[02:23] <fhobia> dang, recordMyDesktop works pretty well
[02:23] <effy11> apachectl -k restart
[02:23] <effy11> and all was fine
[02:23] <Skrimpz> there is one that only re-reads the config...not that it matters much :D
[02:23] <effy11> :)
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[02:24] <fhobia> man, its not funny when the status says "123%" . . .
[02:24] <fhobia> who knows when its going to finish now !!!
[02:25] <trhodes> 200% ?
[02:25] <fhobia> nope, lol
[02:25] <fhobia> ended at 159%
[02:26] <fhobia> hmm it recorded...but i guess my computer is too slow
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[02:34] <john_dee> darn. my external hdd making some weird noises. the activity led is inactive, but it sounds like it's trying to read or something :\
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[02:35] <inneedofhelp> hello, anyone there who can help me out? its sort of an emergency
[02:35] <effy11> what's the problem?
[02:35] <effy11> I doubt I can help but...
[02:36] <inneedofhelp> ok this might sound like insane, but i just cut off a power cord to a tv
[02:36] <inneedofhelp> electricity went out in the home
[02:36] <effy11> :s
[02:36] <inneedofhelp> now tv wont come on anymore - another one that was running earlier
[02:36] <inneedofhelp> pc comes on
[02:36] <inneedofhelp> and after like 10 secs
[02:37] <inneedofhelp> it turns off again
[02:37] <brokedown> cutoff as in cut with a knife?
[02:37] <inneedofhelp> power surge shows "fault wiring" led on steady
[02:37] <trhodes> mine says that too
[02:37] <inneedofhelp> yes brokedown..with a boxcutter actually
[02:37] <inneedofhelp> im on my cell phone right now
[02:37] <inneedofhelp> so im wondering
[02:38] <inneedofhelp> what i should do
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[02:38] <inneedofhelp> to best sort out the situation
[02:38] <trhodes> check the breaker box ?
[02:38] <brokedown> call an electrician?
[02:38] <jrodger> electrician would be a good idea, seems you've created a short, remove thepower cord from the wall
[02:38] <inneedofhelp> hm. dont know where that is...so i thought its probably the building wiring now correct that needs checking?
[02:38] <trhodes> yeah, don't turn things back on until you know more
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[02:39] <trhodes> if the breaker flipped, then that might mean things are safer
[02:39] <jrodger> remove the cut cable from the wall, and turn the point off.
[02:39] <Azeotrope> I have this PCI wireless card but I can't see it in lspci. Any idea?
[02:39] <jrodger> If the breaker was tripped, you wouldn't get power period,
[02:39] <inneedofhelp> i already switched off the things that cut off the entire electricity to the apartment
[02:39] <inneedofhelp> but still same issue
[02:40] <jrodger> callan electrician
[02:40] <trhodes> or the apartment super
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[02:42] <inneedofhelp> just called apartment emergency line
[02:42] <inneedofhelp> they going to call me back on that.
[02:42] <inneedofhelp> yes the breakers flipped
[02:43] <inneedofhelp> now im just concerned about my system
[02:43] <inneedofhelp> u guys think itll be alright once proper wiring has established?
[02:43] <Azeotrope> now i installed madwifi kernel module and utils and I can't see it
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[02:44] <inneedofhelp> it was on surge protector, but when i checked system it just endlessly turned itself on and then off after like 10 secs
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[02:45] <trhodes> was it a UPS that showed the building wiring fault ? or *just* a surge protector ?
[02:46] <trhodes> err, the one the computer's on
[02:47] <inneedofhelp> yes a ups
[02:47] <inneedofhelp> has a led for fault wire
[02:47] <inneedofhelp> and its on everytime i plug it in
[02:47] <trhodes> is that recent?
[02:47] <inneedofhelp> yes
[02:48] <inneedofhelp> after i freaking cut off the wrong damn wire
[02:48] <trhodes> i'd guess that bodes well for your system
[02:48] <inneedofhelp> man i cant believe this stuff happens to me
[02:48] <trhodes> i don't know what could be happening, but your UPS might be shutting off to keep things safe
[02:48] <inneedofhelp> so its possible that the system turns off on endlessly
[02:49] <inneedofhelp> because of the wiring problem eh?
[02:49] <trhodes> wiring problems can mess with UPS's in my experience
[02:49] <inneedofhelp> thats good to hear
[02:49] <trhodes> so.. hopefully that's what it is
[02:49] <inneedofhelp> funny thing is everything else in the apartment is working. refvrigeeator, window ac, lights
[02:50] <jrodger> how long has the UPS been connected?
[02:50] <inneedofhelp> its always been connected
[02:50] <nader> Can I install slack from the source?\
[02:50] <inneedofhelp> but after having that fault wire light on
[02:50] <jrodger> theTV was connected toit?
[02:50] <inneedofhelp> i decided to disconnect ups and hence my system being off
[02:50] <inneedofhelp> no
[02:51] <inneedofhelp> tv wasnt
[02:51] <trhodes> nader: http://www.jaguarlinux.com/
[02:51] <inneedofhelp> tv was in the living room while the ups is in my bedroom
[02:51] <inneedofhelp> and the only thing right now that seems to be dead is the tv living room
[02:51] <BP{k}> nader: why would you want to?
[02:51] <inneedofhelp> the other tv that i cut the wire off in another bedroom
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[02:52] <inneedofhelp> and just my system being off in general
[02:52] Action: BP{k} wonders since when this has become ##randomhardware
[02:53] <jrodger> I think maybe cutting the cord may have caused a wiring issue in the house and the UPS is detecting a slight power outage and therefore shutting your system down.
[02:53] <BP{k}> trhodes: heh, that site seems a bit silly .. giving buildscripts for slackware?
[02:53] <trhodes> haha yeah
[02:53] <nader> BP{k}, for learning
[02:53] <BP{k}> nader: LFS .. go read.
[02:53] <trhodes> yes, LFS will teach you more
[02:53] <jrodger> LFS?
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[02:53] <trhodes> linux from scratch
[02:54] <jrodger> oh....I see
[02:54] <inneedofhelp> BP{k} im sorry didnt mean to bring all this off topic, slackware seemed my first place to ask these things though hehe
[02:55] <nader> ok tnx
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[02:55] <BP{k}> trhodes: so wait .. let me get this straight .. they have a sight on how to install slackware for scratch by writin their own mangled buildscripts instead of using /source/*/*/*.*[Bb]uild ?? I mean .. what ?
[02:55] <trhodes> haha, I don't know... I just remembered it from a LQ thread
[02:55] <trhodes> it's crazy
[02:56] <BP{k}> somehow the the phrase "YDIW" comes to mind :)
[02:56] <BP{k}> nader: how well do you know slackware?
[02:56] <jrodger> YDIW?
[02:56] <BP{k}> inneedofhelp: ##hardware #electronics .. sound more suitable ;)
[02:56] <trhodes> you're doing it wrong
[02:56] <BP{k}> jrodger: Your Doing It Wrong
[02:56] <trhodes> i had to  look it up too
[02:56] <nader> BP{k}, nothing
[02:57] Action: trhodes wonders if wtf has it
[02:57] <trhodes> nope
[02:57] <BP{k}> nader: any other linux distros?
[02:58] <nader> BP{k}, currently use debian
[02:59] Action: BP{k} is tempted to say .."so experience .. none" ;)
[02:59] <nader> BP{k}, but searching for a linux dirsru that has more command prompt less gui ....
[02:59] <BP{k}> nader: while LFS can be a good learning experience .. you might first want to learn how slackware works perhaps. Still LFS offers some good documentary and could be a fun challenge :)
[02:59] <trhodes> debian minus apt-get might count
[02:59] <nader> found gentoo and slackware or maybe archlinux
[03:00] <trhodes> slackbook.org is always a good start :)
[03:01] <BP{k}> see I want to do LFS at some point but probably ending up mimicking slackware anyway
[03:01] <trhodes> haha, i was going to ask if you're attempted it
[03:01] <trhodes> i haven't
[03:01] <trhodes> *you've
[03:01] <tsccof> I will
[03:01] <tsccof> but I will try Gentoo first
[03:01] <BP{k}> trhodes: I find better things to do with my time, ;)
[03:02] <trhodes> well, doing it by rote is no educational
[03:02] <trhodes> haha yeah
[03:02] <trhodes> save LFS for when you need to port slack to another ARCH
[03:03] <tsccof> yeah, I am not doing that
[03:03] <tsccof> saving it for a certain thing
[03:03] <tsccof> I will do it
[03:03] <tsccof> for the sake of it
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[03:04] <tsccof> lol, there is a video on youtube
[03:04] <tsccof> "Debian Fast Boot up"
[03:05] <tsccof> and it takes about 42 seconds to boot up
[03:05] <trhodes> BP{k}: are you a programmer (specifically, C) ?
[03:06] <inneedofhelp> believe it or not, i got so much more help and info in here than in #electronics.  thanks anyway trhodes & co for the chat earlier. i think im calm again
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[03:08] <BP{k}> trhodes: nah. :)
[03:08] <trhodes> welcome. just make sure to follow up on the wiring problem ;)
[03:08] <BP{k}> trhodes: I do most of my work in bash :)
[03:08] <trhodes> it seems that LFS would take a lot of GCC know-how to make use of
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[03:09] <Azeotrope> I still can't see my pci wifi card
[03:09] <trhodes> BP{k}, i've seen your bash work ;)
[03:09] <Azeotrope> tried lspci in slackware, ubuntu
[03:09] <Azeotrope> any idea?
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[03:10] <BP{k}> trhodes: oh god .. and you're still talking to me? ;)
[03:10] <trhodes> Azeotrope: check that the card is physically seated properly
[03:10] <trhodes> haha :P
[03:10] <Azeotrope> thumbs: double-checked that
[03:10] <Azeotrope> trhodes:
[03:10] <Azeotrope> sorry
[03:10] <jrodger> try checking whether the card is in the kernel
[03:10] <jrodger> what is the card?
[03:11] <Azeotrope> it's d-link
[03:11] <Azeotrope> jrodger: how do i check that?
[03:12] <trhodes> /sys for one
[03:12] <jrodger> I'm trying to find out, shouldbe somewhere in kernel.org
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[03:14] <trhodes> does the kernel need to have a driver just to see it on the pci bus ?
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[03:16] <Azeotrope> trhodes: last time i used it was back on ubuntu, lspci saw it but i could't use it without madwifi/atheros chipset
[03:16] <trhodes> that's what I would guess... that the pci bus "announces" what's there, regardless of driver support
[03:16] <Azeotrope> that was before giving it to a friend that is careful with objects surrounding him
[03:16] <trhodes> hmm :/
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[03:17] <tsccof> so the laptop fell down?
[03:18] <trhodes> ls -l /sys/devices/pci**/* && ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/ #are like lspci
[03:18] <ron1n_> hey guys, I'm trying to watch movies in 5.1 surround sound using alsa and XBMC but I can't hear any voices
[03:19] <goarilla> maybe it's a silent film
[03:19] <Rat409> lol
[03:19] <trhodes> antipsychotic drugs make me stop hearing voices
[03:19] <ron1n_> goarilla: hardly the case, EVERY sound effect plays back
[03:19] <trhodes> weird
[03:20] <ron1n_> even wispers, just not "audible" voices
[03:20] <jrodger> Azeotrope: try looking in /usr/src/<kernel>/include/config....
[03:20] <ron1n_> I already checked alsamixer and my speaker confiuguration. It worked fine in ubuntu.
[03:20] <goarilla> don't you just hate that line
[03:21] <goarilla> ... it worked fine in ubuntu
[03:21] <ron1n_> goarilla: I really really do.
[03:21] <trhodes> what actually does the movie playback ? (sorry, i duno xbmc at all)
[03:21] <goarilla> i think it's a MPlayer build
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[03:22] <trhodes> ahh ok, i just made it to the mighty wikipedia page
[03:22] <ron1n_> trhodes: the picture plays back fine, the sound effects play back fine, it's as it
[03:22] <trhodes> mplayer can select other audio tracks
[03:22] <ron1n_> is dropping a whole channel
[03:22] <trhodes> yes, and if it's mplayer, you can fiddle with it
[03:22] <trhodes> (maybe)
[03:23] <ron1n_> trhodes: it does use an mplayer backend, I'll start messing with that
[03:23] <ron1n_> thanks guys
[03:23] <trhodes> i <3 mplayer
[03:23] <trhodes> even my windows-using friends succumbed to it's awesomeness
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[03:24] <Rat409> well peace ya'll i'm out g'night
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[03:24] <Azeotrope> jrodger: what should i search for?
[03:24] <tsccof> my windows using friends succumbed to linux for some time
[03:24] <trhodes> take it easy
[03:24] <tsccof> and then I realised they are n00bs
[03:25] <tsccof> one of them loves Linux
[03:25] <trhodes> mplayer -v -aid <0-9>
[03:25] <tsccof> the other one plays shitty games on Windows
[03:25] <trhodes> ahh, gamers. computers are too serious for mere games
[03:26] <trhodes> :P
[03:26] <tsccof> indeed, there are consoles for that
[03:26] <tsccof> I like gaming
[03:26] <tsccof> but there is always Wine and World of Warcraft
[03:26] <tsccof> I set that up for him, but he plays some other bad MMORPGs(Cabal Online)
[03:26] <tsccof> that does not currently work on Wine
[03:26] <trhodes> hmm weird
[03:26] <tsccof> WoW is so much better and it was running great(the system and WoW)
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[03:27] <Azeotrope> any ideas on how to see that pci card?
[03:27] <tsccof> now his computer is bloody slow thanks to Winblows XP
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[03:27] <trhodes> Azeotrope: not really, did you look around in /usr/src/<kernel>/include/config like jrodger mentioned ?
[03:28] <Azeotrope> yea, but there are many files including lspci
[03:28] <tsccof> then use grep
[03:28] <trhodes> i would guess that drivers aren't needed to see things on the bus if they are physically OK, but that's all it is: a guess
[03:29] <tsccof> I guess that as well
[03:29] <tsccof> my guess is that there is something wrong with the wireless device itself
[03:29] <tsccof> lspci does display unrecognised things
[03:29] <jrodger> Azeotrope: you need look for your specific d-link device in there and see if is configured correctly. If it isnot there, I guess it cannot actually see the card is there or doesn't reognise it.
[03:30] <trhodes> ooh, dmesg output
[03:30] <trhodes> forgot to mention that
[03:30] <trhodes> kernel could have disabled it in case of h/w problems
[03:31] <ron1n_> okay new news. It isn't playing at all in mplayer. No audio what so ever. Completely silent.
[03:31] <trhodes> my dad had some fxo card that the kernel ignored (i don't know how that affected lspci)
[03:31] <trhodes> ron1n_: mplayer -v <options you used>
[03:31] <Azeotrope> trhodes: what am i looking for in dmesg?
[03:31] <tsccof> your card
[03:31] <trhodes> (the fxo card sent too many spurious interrupts)
[03:32] <trhodes> ron1n_: mplayer with verbose output will give you -aid <number> choices to choose from
[03:33] <trhodes> -aid being audio identity or somesuch nmemonic
[03:33] <trhodes> -vo null and -ao null to cut to the chase, if you want
[03:34] <ron1n_> trhodes: awesome, I'll send it to a file cat it up and grep for em
[03:34] <trhodes> :)
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[03:35] <trhodes> man mplayer | less -p \-aid #for further info
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[03:36] <effy11> I just compiled super tux kart and how lucky am I., I can't find where it was installed =/
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[03:37] <Azeotrope> http://pastebin.org/111572
[03:37] <Azeotrope> that's with pci
[03:37] <trhodes> effy11: just a raw make ; make install kind of build ?
[03:37] <sahko> effy11: use the SlackBuild from SBo
[03:37] <paissad> alsamixer does not work for me anymore
[03:37] <paissad> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[03:38] <paissad> btw, i checked, i have no /dev/dsp & no /dev/audio
[03:38] <effy11> trhodes, yep, slackbuild it is then =/
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[03:38] <trhodes> paissad: are you using pulseaudio ?
[03:38] <paissad> trhodes, yes i did install it from SBo
[03:38] <trhodes> paissad: what do you think could have done this ?
[03:39] <trhodes> alsamixer -c0
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[03:39] <trhodes> wait, what's your default PCM ?
[03:39] <trhodes> (in alsa)
[03:39] <paissad> trhodes,  wrong -c argument '0'
[03:39] <paissad> i did "alsamixer -c0"
[03:39] <trhodes> hrm :/
[03:40] <paissad> default PCM ? how can i know that ?
[03:40] <trhodes> are you on 64 bit ?
[03:40] <paissad> yep
[03:40] <trhodes> you would have changed it
[03:40] <trhodes> ahh ok, i had troubles on 64 with the alsa .so's
[03:40] <trhodes> try rexima :)
[03:40] <trhodes> or aumix :P
[03:41] <paissad> strace -eopen alsamixer
[03:41] <paissad> http://pastebin.ca/1836712
[03:41] <trhodes> ok
[03:41] <trhodes> (yay, pastebin.ca finally unblocked me)
[03:41] <effy11> lol, what had you done?
[03:42] <paissad> why did they block you  ?
[03:42] <trhodes> i don't know
[03:42] <ron1n_> okay I have the aid, now how guys?
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[03:42] <trhodes> nothing, i just couldn't see *bin.ca sites for a while (they resolved fine)
[03:43] <trhodes> ron1n_: selecting -aid <channel> doesn't fix your audio ?
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[03:43] <trhodes> paissad: so alsa just stopped after installing pulseaudio ?
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[03:44] <trhodes> are you running pulseaudio at the moment >
[03:44] <paissad> trhodes, i don't think so ... i think alsamixer worked after pulseaudio installation ...
[03:44] <paissad> but .. i'm not absolutely certain :(
[03:44] <trhodes> hmm, try running pulseaudio -D as the user you want sound as
[03:45] <trhodes> s/as$/from
[03:45] <trhodes> haha, i just realized what that looks like :P
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[03:46] <trhodes> obviously your /dev/snd/controlC0 control pcm wasn't found
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[03:46] <trhodes> i'm not sure if pulse "provides" that :/
[03:46] <trhodes> but it's worth a try
[03:46] <effy11> <i ran the supertux kart slack build and get Slackware package /tmp/supertuxkart-0.6.2a-i486-1_SBo.tgz created, what do I do with that>
[03:47] <trhodes> effy11: where you you normally put slackbuilds ? (OUTPUT)
[03:47] <paissad> trhodes, pulseaudio -D --> http://pastebin.ca/1836720
[03:47] <effy11> well, it was put in /tmp
[03:47] <ron1n_> thrice`: no, specifying aid results in silence as well
[03:47] <effy11> so, what do I do with it
[03:47] <effy11> :)
[03:47] <ron1n_> damn, autocomplete fail
[03:47] <trhodes> it's OK, i gotcha
[03:48] <ron1n_> trhodes: sweet
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[03:48] <trhodes> paissad: err, i get that warning too
[03:48] <trhodes> paissad: does pgrep pulseaudio say it's running ?
[03:49] <paissad> yes, i have  2 processes
[03:49] <trhodes> (i forget if it says daemon startup failed however...)
[03:49] <trhodes> oh ok
[03:49] <trhodes> and they were running while you tried alsamixer ?
[03:49] <paissad> i dunno
[03:49] <trhodes> could you pastebin "aplay -L" output ?
[03:49] <effy11> I worked out what to do
[03:49] <paissad> maybe i should stop them 1st
[03:49] <paissad>  ?
[03:49] <trhodes> ok
[03:49] <trhodes> sure
[03:50] <trhodes> then pulseaudio -D again, then alsamixer
[03:50] <paissad> aplay -L -> http://pastebin.ca/1836722
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[03:51] <trhodes> ron1n_: did you get audio without -aid specified? (this is gettin to where I don't know what to do)
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[03:53] <trhodes> paissad: darn, aplay -L doesn't show pulse's PCM (yours or mine)
[03:53] <paissad> trhodes, i did kill all pulseaudio processes, i runned alsaconf, & then pulseaudio -D, & then alamixer
[03:54] <paissad> the matter remains ...
[03:54] <ron1n_> trhodes: no, no sound either way
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[03:56] <trhodes> ron1n_: i don't know what else to do at this point, there's #mplayer to help more
[03:56] <trhodes> just choosing different channels usually worked for me in the past
[03:57] <trhodes> paissad: i'm wondering what "creates" that control pcm
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[03:58] <ron1n_> trhodes: thanks, I think I'll try #xbmc though since it's more related to what I need and mplayer isn't reproducing my symptoms
[03:58] <ron1n_> thanks again for your help
[03:58] <trhodes> sure thing, sorry i wasn't mroe useful
[03:59] <Azeotrope> ok. i can see wlan0, after installing madwifi kernel modules
[03:59] <Azeotrope> now, how do i use it?
[03:59] <Azeotrope> :P
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[04:00] <trhodes> paissad: ls /dev/**/*controlC* # comes up empty ?
[04:00] <Azeotrope> i want to make somekind of internet sharing for my laptop from eth0
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[04:00] <paissad> trhodes, i did check that already ... i wait a minute
[04:00] <jrodger> Azeotrope: install wicd....
[04:01] <paissad> trhodes, ls -l /dev/snd --> http://pastebin.ca/1836735
[04:01] <jrodger> or get wpa_supplicant working
[04:01] <paissad> open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[04:01] <paissad> i got it when i run strace -eopen alsamixer
[04:02] <trhodes> ha
[04:02] <trhodes> alsamixer -c1 or -c2
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[04:02] <paissad> i tell it again, no /dev/audio, no /dev/dsp & no /dev/aload0 in my system ^^
[04:02] <trhodes> oss emulation provides that
[04:02] <trhodes> at least in alsa
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[04:03] <trhodes> paissad:how about your other volume controls ? (aumix and rexima)
[04:04] <trhodes> they fail as well ?
[04:05] <paissad> trhodes, you made it ^^
[04:05] <Azeotrope> any method to see available wifi spots from cli?
[04:05] <paissad> trhodes, if i run alsamixer -c1 .. & then mpayer "my sound" it works
[04:06] <trhodes> paissad: you can probably fix that with either a udev or modprobe rule
[04:06] <paissad> trhodes, but i just don't understand why alsa looks at c0
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[04:06] <paissad> when i ran alsaconf, i precised the card i wanted to use
[04:06] <trhodes> i duno either, there could be an environment variable to set
[04:07] <paissad> let me see at #alsa
[04:07] <trhodes> ok, they'll know way more than me
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[04:07] <paissad> trhodes, thanks a lot mate ...
[04:07] <trhodes> sure thing ;)
[04:07] <trhodes> Azeotrope: iwlist <interface> scan
[04:08] <trhodes> or you can watch -d -n 1 iwlist <interface> scan
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[04:08] <paissad> trhodes, if i knew that /dev/snd/control* was alsamixer -c*, i would have get it i think (now i know)
[04:08] <trhodes> yeah, i learned junk like that the hard way
[04:08] <paissad> :)
[04:09] <trhodes> effy11: make a place to put built packages
[04:09] <trhodes> /root/pkg/ is OK
[04:09] <trhodes> (since they're owned by root anyway)
[04:09] <effy11> huh, why?
[04:10] <trhodes> well, if you want to upgrade, they're there for you
[04:10] <effy11> ok
[04:10] <paissad> what i could do is rename controlC1 to controlC0
[04:10] <trhodes> hmm, i never messed with that, but that might just do it
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[04:10] <trhodes> did you reboot when it stopped working ?
[04:10] <paissad> yep
[04:11] <trhodes> my problems were because of race conditions at boot time
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[04:11] <Azeotrope> it is possible to use a D-link WDA 547 to share my eth0 internet connection to the laptop?
[04:11] <trhodes> and you ca fix it with aliases in modprobe.d/ or maybe udev
[04:11] <trhodes> the alsa site shows you how to alias the cards
[04:12] <trhodes> i can get you a link.. hold on
[04:12] <trhodes> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards
[04:12] <trhodes> #Multiple_Sound_Cards_--_Example_on_Debian_GNU.2FLinux
[04:12] <effy11> lol, when I compiled the original tux racer I never expected to see something so depriciated
[04:13] <effy11> so much so it won't even build lol
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[04:21] <init[1]> i have
[04:21] <init[1]> linux/autoconf.h missing ,i have no idea what happend
[04:22] <init[1]> vbox 3.0.4 can't compile the kernel module now
[04:22] <trhodes> do you have kernel headers  installed ?
[04:23] <init[1]> i don't think my kernel upgrade to 2.6.33 affects that.
[04:23] <init[1]> trhodes: yea ,its a full install
[04:23] <trhodes> hmm
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[04:24] <init[1]> trhodes: can you please check for that file ?
[04:24] <trhodes> that's what package it's from
[04:24] <init[1]> /tmp/vbox.4/include/iprt/types.h:87:30: error: linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory
[04:24] <trhodes> (kernel heagers)
[04:24] <trhodes> *headers
[04:24] <init[1]> headers :)
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[04:25] <init[1]> hmm i will try to reinstall the headers then
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[04:25] <trhodes> that's about all I can say,; i checked as soon as I saw autconf.h missing
[04:25] <sahko> its a known issue
[04:26] <init[1]> sahko: so you too had the same problem ?
[04:26] <Azeotrope> how do i permanently change the mac of my wlan0?
[04:26] <sahko> no, i dont use vbox
[04:26] <init[1]> Azeotrope: set it up in the boot script
[04:26] <jrodger> why you want change your mac address? is given by the manufacturer
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[04:27] <_RadioHead> morning all
[04:27] <trhodes> oh, also kernel-source has an autoconf.h
[04:28] <_RadioHead> bah i can`t install nvidia drivers
[04:28] <init[1]> trhodes: hmm i didn't install the kernel source , well i assumed it doesn't do much other than extacting it to /usr/src/
[04:28] <trhodes> maybe that was the linux/autoconf.h it was looking for
[04:28] <trhodes> that would make more sense
[04:28] <init[1]> trhodes: hm, i'm check that :)
[04:29] <init[1]> trhodes: i doesn't make sense beacause kernel headers should do that isn't it?
[04:29] <init[1]> s/i/it/
[04:30] <trhodes> i don't know
[04:30] <_RadioHead> trhodes: what is your problem mate?
[04:30] <trhodes> not mine :) i'm sure to have ones eventually
[04:31] <_RadioHead> trhodes: :) when u mention kernel sources , i ahve problem isntalling nvidia drivers with error messages Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in
[04:31] <_RadioHead>        '/lib/modules/2.6.33-smp/source'.
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[04:32] <trhodes> eh, sorry, i'm not going to be much (if any) help there
[04:32] <Delahunt> _RadioHead, is the kernel source package installed?
[04:33] <trhodes> i never had to install an nvidia
[04:33] <_RadioHead> Delahunt: yes
[04:33] <Delahunt> _RadioHead, don't know what to tell you then
[04:33] <sahko> you need a patched nvidia driver. search linuxquestions slackware dept.
[04:33] <_RadioHead> Delahunt: i spent yesterday also recompiling kernel
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[04:34] <_RadioHead> Delahunt:  maybe is bug .... who knows :) also sahko Delahunt  latest samba have problem following synmlinks
[04:34] <trhodes> i'd wager sahko is right on here :)
[04:34] <sahko> _RadioHead: todays samaba upgrade?
[04:35] <_RadioHead> yes sahko
[04:35] <sahko> samba*
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[04:35] <stuart_> haha damnnnnnn
[04:35] <stuart_> elinks is some crazy shit
[04:36] <sahko> i dont use samba. maybe someone else knows
[04:36] <trhodes> yeah, tabbed cli browsing
[04:36] <init[1]> sahko: you mentioned about a known problem with autconfig.h what is it ? can you please explain ?
[04:36] <stuart_> sure beats lynx non-frames
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[04:36] <stuart_> the dude that made elinks is a genius
[04:36] <trhodes> yes :) w3m is nice too
[04:36] <stuart_> now i can freakin surf the net with a 286
[04:36] <trhodes> and pastebin, too
[04:37] <stuart_> wonders
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[04:38] <Azeotrope> i have this script http://pastebin.org/111579 to create a WAP on slackware but when i run it i get this error: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
[04:38] <sahko> init[1]: i dont remember exactly whats the deal. i dont use virtualbox either, but there is also a thread on linuxquestions about this. if you use SlackBuilds for it you might wanna try these scripts: http://github.com/pprkut/slackbuilds-beta/tree/master/good/
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[04:39] <sahko> pprkut said they work on current the other day
[04:40] <init[1]> sahko: ok :) i'm check that thank you
[04:40] <init[1]> checking
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[04:43] <pprkut> sahko: more exactly, jkwood did :)
[04:44] <pprkut> I'm on -current, but not on .33, so I can test everything but that
[04:44] <sahko> ok:)
[04:44] <trhodes> _RadioHead: what are you running ?
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[04:45] <trhodes> -current with a .33 kernel ?
[04:45] <_RadioHead> trhodes: -current
[04:45] <_RadioHead> yes
[04:45] <trhodes> and what was the compile error ?
[04:45] <_RadioHead> trhodes: nvidia drivers?
[04:45] <_RadioHead> ERROR: Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in
[04:46] <sahko> the nvidia driver which works with .33 out of the box was pulled down due to potential fan issues which were visible mostly on windows
[04:46] <trhodes> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=142794 might be of interest
[04:46] <_RadioHead> '/lib/modules/2.6.33-smp/source'.
[04:46] <trhodes> hmm ok, i don't know if that link I posted is even relevant then :/
[04:46] <_RadioHead> trhodes: thx mate , i am checking beta drivers on nvidia site :)
[04:47] <sahko> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/nvidia-and-kernel-2.6.33-792515/
[04:47] <init[1]> pprkut: if i install the headers from .33 will any thing break later /
[04:47] <trhodes> ok, there's TONS of links out there, on LQ, nvnews, and alien bob's site
[04:47] <_RadioHead> brb
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[04:48] <Azeotrope> i edited correctly /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
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[04:49] <pprkut> init[1]: the kernel-headers package? You'll need the one that is in -current, because glibc is compiled against that
[04:49] <pprkut> that one doesn't need to match your current running kernel
[04:50] <Azeotrope> if i do the dhclient thing i get a working eth0_rename
[04:50] <trhodes> Azeotrope: the error you posted above (afaik) could be a hardware- or driver-related problem
[04:50] <goarilla> the time service is inetd.conf is it ntp ?
[04:50] <trhodes> nope
[04:51] <Azeotrope> trhodes: the one with dhclient or wifi one?
[04:51] <init[1]> pprkut: no , i'm on freash 13 actually problem is [1] i didn't install the default kernel source [2] i upgarded to .33 ,actually nothing should break beyond this point,now i'm unable to install the Vbox 3.0.4 which work during my previous install 13.
[04:51] <init[1]> s/freash/fresh/
[04:51] <goarilla> it says time server in etc/services
[04:52] <trhodes> goarilla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIME_protocol
[04:52] <trhodes> ntp is much more accurate
[04:52] <init[1]> pprkut: well , so even if i install the kernel headers from .33 nothing will  break ? isn't it ?
[04:53] <pprkut> only if you are on -current
[04:53] <init[1]> i'm not planning for -current
[04:53] <init[1]> oh
[04:53] <pprkut> if you are on 13.0, use the 2.6.29 kernel headers
[04:53] <Azeotrope> how can i make my internet start at boot?
[04:53] <init[1]> pprkut: rogger that :)
[04:53] <trhodes> Azeotrope: the "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed..." error
[04:53] <goarilla> but why is it enabled by default
[04:53] <pprkut> init[1]: or recompile glibc ;)
[04:54] <trhodes> goarilla: in inetd ? I don't know; it doesn't hurt anything
[04:54] <init[1]> pprkut: ok :D
[04:54] <goarilla> yes in inetd
[04:54] <goarilla> i usually make sure inetd doesn't run
[04:55] <trhodes> yeah, it's not too important these days
[04:55] <pprkut> init[1]: if you are running a .33 kernel, you'll need vbox 3.1.4
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[04:56] <goarilla> funny fact i had to install slackware 8.1 2 days ago to get at the c libs and the loader
[04:56] <goarilla> and inetd was running a LOT of stuff back then
[04:56] <trhodes> the internet is less friendly than it used to be :)
[04:56] <goarilla> lpd, daytime, time, comsat, rpc, ...
[04:56] <init[1]> pprkut: ahaaaa , well i think , my more specific way to ask question helped me :) , so in .33 , 3.0.4 will break isn't it?
[04:57] <goarilla> i plucked the libs wrote a stupid wrapper script and used it on a modern opensuse since that's what my boss likes
[04:57] <goarilla> and it worked ... i was perplexed
[04:57] <trhodes> haha cool
[04:58] <pprkut> init[1]: will not compile the kernel modules, yes
[04:58] <init[1]> pprkut: got cha :)
[04:58] <pprkut> any specific reason for running an ancient vbox? :)
[04:58] <goarilla> the thing that bothered me was finding the slackware iso and packages for 8.1, only a handfull of mirrors still carry them but in the future i'm afraid even they will scrap it
[04:59] <init[1]> pprkut: yes Minix 3.1.5 needs it :(
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[04:59] <pprkut> init[1]: hu? why's that?
[04:59] <goarilla> pprkut: needed glibc 2.2.5 and its loader
[04:59] <init[1]> pprkut: its ok, i will manage it will qemu 0.11.1 :)
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[04:59] <goarilla> and was trying to compile the awfull program staticly linked but that didn't worked
[05:00] <goarilla> seems ./configure --enable-static is not the right way to go or ... not implemented properly
[05:00] <init[1]> pprkut: minix work stable in 3.0.4 , laters versions have some hw issues that minix can't handle.
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[05:05] <goarilla> it was an odd experience tho, to use all the ancient versions of programs
[05:05] <trhodes> yeah
[05:05] <trhodes> have you seen niels horn's site? with the old slack versions in VM's ?
[05:06] <goarilla> nope
[05:06] <sahko> 8.1 is unsupported though. you could try 9.0 which is still supported, at least last i checked
[05:06] <trhodes> http://www.nielshorn.net/slackware/slack_old.php
[05:06] <trhodes> sahko: what do you mean "supported" ?
[05:06] <goarilla> yeah i know but i really needed its lib c libraries
[05:07] <sahko> trhodes: gets security upgrades
[05:07] <trhodes> ok
[05:07] <goarilla> security packages are still being made for 9.0
[05:07] <Azeotrope> any suggestion of make my wap secure enough?
[05:07] <Azeotrope> i just made a wap with my atheros card and then bridged it to eth0
[05:08] <trhodes> vpn perhaps
[05:08] <goarilla> 8.0 or 8.1 was the first release after slack 3.9 ?
[05:09] <pprkut> init[1]: hmm, ok. I didn't know that.
[05:09] <sahko> hm 8.1 also gets security upgrades
[05:09] <sahko> thats why its still in the mirrors i guess
[05:09] <trhodes> there was a silly version jump, yes
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[05:09] <Delahunt> with as old as 8.1 is, you could almost trust it for security through obscurity lol
[05:10] <goarilla> mmm seems it was 4 -> 8
[05:10] <trhodes> that was keeping up with the redhat days
[05:10] <goarilla> :D which year was 8.0
[05:10] <lunarvalleys> http://slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general
[05:10] <lunarvalleys> that's from the FAQ
[05:10] <lunarvalleys> Q: 	 Why the jump from 4 to 7?
[05:11] <goarilla> it was a pun at rh and novell
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[05:12] <paissad> trhodes, i fixed the matter like this: 1st -> i re-edited /etc/modprobe.d/sound http://pastebin.ca/1836799
[05:13] <Azeotrope> this is what ifconfig on slackware (desktop pc) and ubuntu (laptop) shows me http://pastebin.org/111605
[05:13] <paissad> i rebooted twice to test ... & now i have the right card working !
[05:13] <trhodes> nice ;)
[05:13] <trhodes> i had to do a similar fix myself
[05:13] <paissad> trhodes, the conf handles the order of cards for their use
[05:14] <paissad> 3 hours to fix such idiot bugs make me feel sad !
[05:14] <trhodes> haha yeah
[05:14] <Azeotrope> if i do these brctl addbr br0 ; brctl addif br0 eth0 ; brctl addif br0 wlan0 i loose my internet connection
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[05:15] <ron1n> hey guys, I can't seem to get firefox to play any auido
[05:15] <trhodes> FIREFOX_DSP is honored by FF
[05:15] <trhodes> this is slack and not xbmc ?
[05:15] <ron1n> I just added a 5.1 sound card, I have a feeling it's trying to use my onboard dsp
[05:15] <trhodes> you can try FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
[05:16] <ron1n> trhodes: xbmc is an app for Linux
[05:16] <trhodes> ok, sorry
[05:16] <Azeotrope> am i on ignore??
[05:16] Action: trhodes forgets if AUDIODEV is oss or alsa
[05:16] <ron1n> trhodes: I'll try setting FIREFOX_DSP
[05:16] <ron1n> thanks
[05:16] <trhodes> no prob., but you might need more than just that
[05:17] <Zordrak> trhodes: and xbox' witdows, mac..
[05:17] <trhodes> hi :)
[05:17] <Zordrak> sup
[05:19] <ron1n> Zordrak: do they still support the xbox?
[05:19] <ron1n> trhodes: no dice on setting FIREFOX_DSP to aoss, alsa, or oss
[05:19] <trhodes> well, there's more to it, i think
[05:20] <trhodes> but I'm not thinking as clearly as I would like right now :P
[05:20] <Zordrak> dude.. its called XBox Media Centre...
[05:20] <Azeotrope> how do i change the mac for my wlan0?
[05:20] <Zordrak> ifconfig wlan0 hw ether xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[05:20] <trhodes> FIREFOX_DSP needs to point to a  binary
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[05:20] <ron1n> Zordrak: I know, but the xbox is an ageing machine. Have you seen the new default skin? Totally too pro for a p3 box.
[05:21] <trhodes> so padsp for the pulse users aoss for the alsa ones
[05:21] <Zordrak> so? i u-se PMIII like most people
[05:21] <Zordrak> confluence blows
[05:21] <ron1n> trhodes: I tried FIREFOX_DSP="aoss/alsa/oss" firefox youtube.com
[05:21] <Azeotrope> Zordrak: is it permanently?
[05:22] <ron1n> Zordrak: It's all eyecandy, it really isn't usable
[05:22] <trhodes> ALSA_OSS_PCM_DEVICE needs set too
[05:22] <Zordrak> yes iirc
[05:22] <ron1n> trhodes: what kind of value is it expecting?
[05:23] <init[1]> pprkut: ping i think i found a patch to make 3.0.4 work on 2.6.33 :-)
[05:23] <ron1n> man'ing aoss atm
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[05:23] <trhodes> ron1n: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#emul
[05:23] <init[1]> pprkut: testing it 1 sec :)
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[05:24] <trhodes> ron1n: whoops, i linked too far down the page; just /<search> for the variable
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[05:25] <ron1n> trhodes: alrighty thanks
[05:26] <goarilla> lol throdes i never heard of the aoss program before
[05:26] <trhodes> ron1n: sure thing -- it just looks like you set it to dsp[0-9]
[05:26] <trhodes> yeah, those sound wrappers are handy
[05:27] <trhodes> there's so many ways of making sound work (and break) in linux, it's crazy
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[05:27] <Tusk> hey there
[05:28] <rwerken> hi
[05:28] <ron1n> aoss is a great second opinion
[05:28] <Tusk> anyone having a syslog-ng package for slack13 x86_64 ?
[05:28] <ron1n> Tusk: check alien's page or SBo
[05:28] <Tusk> yeah no package in sbo
[05:28] <sahko> doesnt syslogd work out for you?
[05:29] <Tusk> sahko: syslog-ng allows me to do more things with network sockets
[05:29] <sahko> i dont think there is one. at least from the places someone would recommend here
[05:30] <Tusk> can't compile it cause looks like eventlog isn't correctly putting itself under lib64 and syslog-ng then reject it
[05:30] <Tusk> actually not sure about the error
[05:30] <Azeotrope> anyone knows how can i make cryptsetup's password asker to timeout when booting?
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[05:31] <ron1n> damn, no dice. Amarok plays music fine, just not firefox
[05:31] <pprkut> ditch ff
[05:31] <trhodes> ugh, firefox is tricky
[05:31] <ron1n> pprkut: same thing in chrome
[05:31] <trhodes> pprkut: do you use chrome ?
[05:32] <trhodes> oh, ron1n, export those variables
[05:32] <ron1n> and Konq
[05:32] <trhodes> to be safe
[05:32] <ron1n> trhodes: okay
[05:32] <trhodes> that could even be the problem
[05:33] <goarilla> have the same problem with ff and sound
[05:33] <goarilla> i attribute it to the misery that is flash
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[05:34] <trhodes> well, i've gotten padsp to work with it
[05:34] <samac_> flash plugin works perfectly in ff and opera
[05:34] <trhodes> Azeotrope: you could invoke crypsetup under some other script's control
[05:35] <Azeotrope> trhodes: how? any guide?
[05:35] <trhodes> hrm, it's not hard, but I don't know ottomh
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[05:36] <trhodes> have a process killall crypsetup after a sleep time
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[05:36] <trhodes> *crypt
[05:36] <trhodes> it's ugly and unsafe but might work in boot
[05:37] <Zordrak> i thought it had a --timeout as a security precaution
[05:37] <trhodes> oh ok, that makes sense
[05:37] <Azeotrope> Zordrak: yea, but's not working
[05:37] <trhodes> i haven't read the manpage
[05:37] <trhodes> at least not recently
[05:37] <trhodes> define not working
[05:38] <trhodes> the timeout seems to be ignored ? or something else entirely ?
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[05:39] <trhodes> Azeotrope: you're not ignored, you just ask questions that are difficult to answer :)
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[05:39] <Azeotrope> trhodes: i put the timeout in the crypttab file
[05:41] <Azeotrope> this is inthe rc.6 file http://pastebin.org/111611
[05:41] <Azeotrope> maybe i have to put --timeout option there?
[05:41] <trhodes> try it :)
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[05:42] <Azeotrope> epic failure
[05:42] <Azeotrope> rc.6 is for sys reboot
[05:42] <Azeotrope> :))
[05:42] <trhodes> oh haha
[05:43] <trhodes> that echo | tr | cut junk in those rc scripts sure is ugly
[05:45] <trhodes> ron1n: what did you set ALSA_OSS_PCM_DEVICE to ?
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[05:47] <ron1n> trhodes: /dev/dsp1
[05:48] <trhodes> i don't think that's supposed to be a filename
[05:48] <trhodes> try plain 'ol dsp1
[05:48] <ron1n> I just ran alsaconf and it's still outputting to the old sound card. Just confirmed with headphones
[05:48] <ron1n> trhodes: alright
[05:49] <trhodes> and if changing that doesn't do it, blindly trying values for ALSA_CARD and whatnot can't hurt :P
[05:49] <trhodes> that page is a pretty nice summary, i wish I knew about it long ago
[05:49] <Tusk> Ah got syslog-ng now!! better when forcing eventlog to lib64 ^^
[05:51] <init[1]> pprkut: nvm , i did complile the kernel module , there is a crap 'nmi_watchdog' problem , well i think it is PITA , i will stick on to 3.1.4 :-)
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[05:52] <ron1n> trhodes: is there a config file somewhere I can point it to my new 5.1 dsp?
[05:53] <trhodes> you want alsa to use it by default ?
[05:53] <trhodes> or firefox ?
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[05:55] <ron1n> trhodes: alsa
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[05:55] <trhodes> .asoundrc (IIRC)
[05:55] <ron1n> trhodes: alright thanks
[05:55] <trhodes> /etc/asound.conf systemwide
[05:57] <trhodes> the lisp-like (or whatever) syntax basically leaves me to copy and paste the configuration from various sources
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[05:58] <trhodes> ron1n: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ026
[05:59] <trhodes> the first code snippet would (modified for your devices) work
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[06:36] <OclkdMan> hi all. anybody here know a opensource Second Life viewer compatible with x86_64 linux?
[06:37] <OclkdMan> the official one requires multilib support
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[06:41] <sahk0> install multilib then
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[06:49] <riza> Hello.
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[06:52] <tsccof> how do I fill a hard drive with zeroes? (full formatting)
[06:52] <tsccof> dd?
[06:52] <riza> Yep.
[06:53] <phrag> morning
[06:53] <tsccof> good morning
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[06:54] <riza> Good morning. :)
[06:54] <tsccof> how do I set dd to fill the drive with zeroes?
[06:54] <effy11> nearly midday :)
[06:54] <tsccof> I did not find anything in the manual
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[06:56] <riza> man dd!
[06:56] <trhodes> /dev/zero
[06:56] <riza> Do this.
[06:56] <riza> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your_hard_drive_here
[06:56] <effy11> how buggy is 2.6.34rc1?
[06:56] <riza> lol :p Disclaimer: I am not responsible.
[06:56] <tsccof> oh yeah! it is in the manual, but not declared as a full format
[06:56] <tsccof> thank you very much indeed
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[07:00] <riza> :)
[07:01] <tsccof> Transmission 1.9.1 is lightning fast
[07:02] <effy11> depends on your internet I thought :p
[07:02] <tsccof> yeah, but
[07:02] <tsccof> It uses PEX and DHT to find more peers
[07:02] <tsccof> not sure what PEX and DHT are
[07:02] <tsccof> but the peers come so fast
[07:02] <effy11> lol
[07:02] <tsccof> I just added a torrent and it has 100 peers already
[07:02] <dsockwell> some trackers will ban you if you use DHS
[07:02] <dsockwell> er
[07:02] <dsockwell> DHT
[07:02] <tsccof> I added it like 20 seconds ago
[07:03] <tsccof> hmm, good to know that
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[07:03] <dsockwell> mostly the private ones,
[07:03] <effy11> TPB's won't though, they're down :P
[07:03] <tsccof> ah! I think I am not using those
[07:03] <tsccof> I am using btjunkie.org
[07:03] <dsockwell> you would know
[07:03] <tsccof> and all the trackers that are in their torrents
[07:04] <tsccof> btw my connexion is bad, 1mbps
[07:04] <tsccof> but it is downloading at a "good" speed, 100kbps
[07:04] <tsccof> transmission is the best client I have ever used
[07:04] <effy11> you mean 100kb/s
[07:05] <tsccof> why not kbps?
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[07:05] <effy11> kbps and kb/s are completely different
[07:05] <dsockwell> transmission 1.3 is pretty good
[07:05] <dsockwell> i haven't used any modern release of it
[07:05] <dsockwell> i like ktorrent, ctorrent, and rtorrent, too
[07:05] <dsockwell> although rtorrent is hard to use
[07:05] <tsccof> 1.9.1 is great! compiled it yesterday
[07:06] <Azeotrope> i just can't find any guide for making a WAP with bridged eth0...
[07:06] <dsockwell> honestly i hated transmission at first because it didn't have gads of information on the main page
[07:06] <dsockwell> i thought it wasn't doing anything
[07:06] <dsockwell> but it does everything the other clients do
[07:06] <effy11> lol
[07:07] <effy11> I think I shall compile transmission then
[07:07] <tsccof> I liked it at first
[07:07] <tsccof> but now it is my favourite client
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[07:09] <alreadygone> dsockwell, I like deluge :)
[07:09] <dsockwell> never used deluge
[07:09] <alreadygone> i'm a fan
[07:10] <dsockwell> i really liked azureus before it turned into vuze
[07:10] <dsockwell> after that i could never get it to work right
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[07:10] <Tusk> rtorrent ftw
[07:10] <init[1]> omg! Never underestimate the Power of 'Xfig' , such an awesome software that i have ever seen in my life time
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[07:14] <Azeotrope> I want to make my d-link pci wifi card with atheros chipset to act as an access point, and bridge eth0 and wlan0. but i don't know where to start.
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[07:15] <Azeotrope> and what file configs my wireless? all lines in inet1.conf are commented out
[07:15] <Zordrak> uh.. rc.wireless perhaps?
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[07:17] <Azeotrope> damn
[07:17] <effy11> how do I change this keyboard layout, I've just noticed it's US
[07:17] <Azeotrope> Zordrak: where do I start?
[07:17] <riza> Zordrak, are you Zordon?
[07:17] <Zordrak> riza: no, I'm Zordrak..
[07:17] <sahk0> lol
[07:18] <Zordrak> effy11: console or X?
[07:18] <effy11> either
[07:18] <riza> D:
[07:18] <effy11> preferably X as I'm compiling :p
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[07:18] <riza> Zordrak, sorry, there was someone who has Zordon, the name, but he was quite knowledgeable too.
[07:18] <riza> Never mind tho! :D
[07:18] <Zordrak> loadkeys uk (or any other layout) for conselp
[07:18] <Zordrak> effy11: for X you set it by hal
[07:19] <Azeotrope> iwconfig wlan0 mode Master   Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
[07:19] <effy11> I'll use console then
[07:19] <Azeotrope> Zordrak: do you have any idea why i get that?
[07:19] <Zordrak> effy11: dont know the link off hand but theres a guide to it on my blog http://blog.tpa.me.uk
[07:19] <effy11> thanks
[07:19] <Zordrak> search for keyboard or hal or something
[07:19] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: your card (or driver) probably doesnt support master mode
[07:20] <Zordrak> mine doesnt either
[07:20] <Azeotrope> shit. and what do i do? i want to connect from my laptop to my desktop by wifi.
[07:20] <Zordrak> cry?
[07:21] <Azeotrope> no way of doing it? ad-hoc? anything?
[07:21] <Zordrak> i havent delved deeply into the issue
[07:21] <Zordrak> try it
[07:21] <init[1]> is there any way i could export the xfig fromat to gimp ?
[07:22] <init[1]> other than Screen shot :D
[07:23] <Azeotrope> who might be a real master in this sor of thing? who might be able to help me?
[07:23] <Zordrak> theres this dude.. his name is google..
[07:23] <Azeotrope> tell me his name
[07:25] <dsockwell> ze google is too powerful to be allowed to serve the zeebas
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[07:37] <sahk0> wow new item in the slackware store: http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/slackbottleopener?id=8PAHsMVH&mv_pc=43
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[07:38] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha :P
[07:42] <Azeotrope> should I -x rc.wireless and config it in rc.inet1.conf?
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[07:43] <effy11> what direcory is 2.6.34 RC1 installed it
[07:45] <Zordrak> god DAMNNIT
[07:46] <Zordrak> i cant put this U320 card in a different server cos its a god damn sun form factor plate. id have to cut the backplate
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[07:48] <riza> Man the Slackware website sorely needs someone to update it for them.
[07:48] Action: riza raises hand.
[07:48] <riza> Maybe I should do it. :|
[07:48] Action: Camarade_Tux hands Zordrak a hammer and a pair of scissors
[07:48] <Camarade_Tux> riza: why?
[07:48] <riza> It's ugly. D:
[07:49] <effy11> just updated the kernel,gonna reboot
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[07:49] <Camarade_Tux> don't think so :-)
[07:49] <goarilla> it's not ugly
[07:49] <goarilla> you are ugly
[07:49] <riza> :(!!!
[07:49] <Zordrak> KISS
[07:49] <Camarade_Tux> why is effy11 running on 2.6.34-rc1?
[07:49] <riza> I'm not ugly!
[07:49] <goarilla> we don't need no stinking flash crap
[07:49] <riza> Here is my website.
[07:49] <riza> www.rizachan.com
[07:49] <riza> I mean beautiful like that. :D
[07:50] <riza> I don't like flash either.
[07:50] <brainvision> hello everybody..
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[07:50] <riza> Hello brainvision!
[07:50] <brainvision> just for people who still don't know..
[07:50] <Camarade_Tux> want to be able to see it in links
[07:50] <brainvision> there's a nice project here:
[07:50] <brainvision> http://1milliontux.org/
[07:51] <goarilla> we should make it more standards compliant tho, it doesn't validate
[07:51] <brainvision> hi riza :D
[07:51] <riza> My site doesn't validate?!?!? Impossible!
[07:51] <Camarade_Tux> brainvision: linuxcounter
[07:51] <goarilla> no slackware.com
[07:51] <brainvision> Camarade_Tux: I know linuxcounter..
[07:51] <riza> Oh.
[07:51] <riza> :D I will fix the site up at no charge!
[07:51] <brainvision> but they are different things..
[07:51] <riza> I love slackware too much. This is my best way to pay back.
[07:51] <wertik_rus> 670	registered Users )
[07:52] <wertik_rus> good site)
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[07:57] <stuart_> when i move my mouse to the top left corner twice in quick succession, a kinda like alt+tab menu appears, what is doing that, slack or kde?
[07:57] <riza> KDE.
[07:57] <riza> <3 stuart_ that's a cute question.
[07:57] <stuart_> ooo
[07:58] <stuart_> well that's some pretty neat stuff
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[07:58] <goarilla> whata it called again
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[07:58] <goarilla> the nut
[07:59] <stuart_> that, and elinks, pretty much filled my day with wonder
[07:59] <stuart_> i'm easily amused
[08:00] <riza> x) Indeed you are.
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[08:02] <goarilla> is elinks that much better than links or lynx
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[08:02] <stuart_> goarilla: frames for the win
[08:02] <riza> I dunno why people are still using text browsers, no offense, just don't see the appeal.
[08:02] <stuart_> i don't know bout you guys, i just haven't seen frames in text before
[08:02] <phrag> -current updated
[08:02] <stuart_> riza: some server engineers wanna steal some surfing time on the job i guess
[08:02] <pprkut> riza: to test localhost webpages over ssh :P
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[08:03] <goarilla> or when your X is utterly broken
[08:04] <goarilla> and you need to pastebin stuff or google
[08:04] <OclkdMan> hi all. anyone here knows where to find a Snowglobe (Second Life linux viewer) slackbuild ?
[08:04] <Camarade_Tux> ascii pron looks better in links too
[08:04] <goarilla> :D
[08:04] <riza> lol
[08:04] <riza> Interesting....
[08:04] <goarilla> or when you're like deep in a mine
[08:04] <goarilla> or in space
[08:05] <goarilla> where bandwith is very low and latency is very high
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[08:06] <riza> I get it! D:-
[08:06] Action: riza shames self in the corner of a room for not noticing the solutions text browsers provide.
[08:07] <goarilla> it's either that or telnetting webpages
[08:07] <Zordrak> shitty shitty shitty shit. i do not like my choices. I can either attempt to cut the back panel on this sun card.. or i have to buy a new one for ATX form
[08:08] <Azeotrope> what should i do with rc.wireless.conf if i want to use rc.inet1.conf for wireless config?
[08:08] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: you can just delete it.
[08:08] <zaltekk> make sure to keep rc.wireless, though
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[08:09] <Azeotrope> it's adivisable to delete it?
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[08:09] <riza> I'm going...
[08:09] <riza> To shower...
[08:09] <riza> Brb.
[08:09] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: or maybe comment out everything in it.  i don't like it being able to have effect and connect me to insecure public networks
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[08:10] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: and then I use rc.inet1.conf on desktops(wireless or wired) and wicd on laptops
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[08:11] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: ndiswrapper or madifi?
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[08:11] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: no need.  native drivers.
[08:11] <Azeotrope> what?
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[08:12] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: i don't need ndiswrapper.  and i have no reason to use madwifi.  i use iwlagn on my laptop and ath5k on my desktop(usually with hostapd...it has an ethernet connection and sometimes doubles as an access point)
[08:12] <Azeotrope> so i should uninsall them?
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[08:13] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: well, it depends on your wireless card
[08:13] <zaltekk> i wouldn't use ndiswrapper unless i absolutely had to
[08:13] <Azeotrope> i have a D-link DWA 547 PCI, atheros chipset
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[08:14] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: then you could use madwifi.  what version of slack are you on? or better yet, what kernel?
[08:14] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: 2.6.29.6 #3 SMP
[08:14] <Azeotrope> slackware 13.0
[08:15] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: okay.  is your card abg or abgn?
[08:15] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: i don't know that
[08:15] <Azeotrope> i don't have any manual of it
[08:15] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: does it says Wireless N on it somewhere? is it a really new card?
[08:15] <zaltekk> most likely it isn't wireless N, in which case ath5k is the atheros driver you want to use
[08:15] <Azeotrope> it says N
[08:16] <zaltekk> okay, then you might want ath9k
[08:16] <Azeotrope> http://www.emag.ro/adaptoare_ethernet/adaptor-wireless-d-link-dwa-547-pci--pDWA-547
[08:16] <zaltekk> try: modprobe -l | grep ath
[08:16] <zaltekk> if you see ath5k and/or ath9k loaded, then your card should be working
[08:17] <Azeotrope> http://pastebin.org/111686
[08:17] <Azeotrope> seems loaded
[08:17] <zaltekk> yep
[08:17] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: the card is working, my problem is that i can't use it as AP nor make ad-hoc connection
[08:17] <zaltekk> so load up wicd or configuring rc.inet1.conf and/or wpa_supplicant.conf for your network
[08:18] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: i've never on any operating system used an ad-hoc network, so i can't help you there.
[08:18] <zaltekk> but for use as an AP, you want hostapd
[08:18] <zaltekk> the slackbuild is a bit outdated
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[08:19] <Zordrak> anyone awake with good sun hardware knowledge?
[08:19] <zaltekk> the latest version should work with any mac80211 drivers(like ath5k and ath9k)
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[08:19] <Azeotrope> If the card gives won't work in Master mode?
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[08:19] <zaltekk> and, Azeotrope, make sure you get the development release hostapd 0.7.1, because the stable 0.6.10 seems dated as well, and has bugs.  i couldn't use it.
[08:19] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: the way that you set AP mode has changed.  you no longer set it as master with iwconfig.
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[08:20] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/hostapd might help you.  just make sure you build 0.7.1 of hostapd
[08:20] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: "The mac80211 subsystem moves all aspects of master mode into user space. It depends on hostapd to handle authenticating clients, setting encryption keys, establishing key rotation policy, and other aspects of the wireless infrastructure. Due to this, the old method of issuing 'iwconfig <wireless interface> mode master' no longer works. Userspace programs like hostapd now use netlink (the nl80211 driver) to create a master mode interface for 
[08:21] <Azeotrope> ok
[08:21] <Azeotrope> thank you@!
[08:21] <zaltekk> you'll want to use hostapd, dhcpd, and iptables to get your router setup and working
[08:22] <zaltekk> then squid can be useful too
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[08:24] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: I don't have a router. I only have this card
[08:24] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: i mean setting up your linux box as a wireless router
[08:24] <Azeotrope> and i want to connect the desktop with pci wifi to the laptop
[08:24] <Azeotrope> oh, ok
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[08:25] <zaltekk> you run hostapd to allow the connections, run dhcpd to configure the client's ip and dns, use brctl to bridge the connections, and use iptables to enable NAT and optionally firewall the clients
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[08:27] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: with iptables i can restrict traffic just to my laptops MAC, right?
[08:27] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: hostapd would be the best place to restrict mac addresses
[08:27] <zaltekk> as well as setup wpa2 encryption
[08:27] <Azeotrope> ok
[08:28] <Azeotrope> the problem is that i only know how to use sbopkg or slackbuild, and those packages are kinda outdated. i don't know how to compile
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[08:29] <Azeotrope> i've downloaded the latest tarball, cd-ed to src folder but..
[08:29] <Azeotrope> no idea
[08:29] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: that page on wireless.kernel.org that i linked explains how to build hostapd
[08:29] <Cann0n> Azeotrope: don't worry about out dated software. ever use a game emulator? some of those are 10 years old without an update
[08:30] <Azeotrope> yea
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[08:30] <zaltekk> Cann0n: the out of date hostapd doesn't seem to function properly.  i think the slackbuild is for 0.4.9 or something like that, while 0.7.1 is the earliest version I got to function with mac80211 drivers
[08:30] <Azeotrope> i kinda like old games
[08:31] <Cann0n> well in that case, just download the new source and set the sbo script for it
[08:31] <zaltekk> Cann0n: won't work.  that version is dated enough that the build process isn't the same
[08:32] <zaltekk> i just manually built and setup everything, then ran makepkg
[08:32] <Cann0n> hmmm
[08:32] <zaltekk> i did keep the rc.hostapd from the slackbuild, though.
[08:32] <Cann0n> how differenc could it be?
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[08:32] <zaltekk> Cann0n: the slackbuild sets up the config file and things like that
[08:32] <Cann0n> i have to modify all of my build scripts to im gonna download the sbo and play with it
[08:32] <zaltekk> which has changed
[08:33] <zaltekk> the directory structure changed
[08:33] <Cann0n> oh, no problem. easily fixed.
[08:33] <zaltekk> i just found it easiest to use makepkg
[08:33] <zaltekk> although i guess the nextt logical set would have been to write a new slackbuild
[08:34] <zaltekk> s/set/step/
[08:34] <stuart_> why do you guys use s/tosay/whatyouwanted to sayy
[08:34] <Cann0n> makepkg doesn't handle symlinks well
[08:34] <stuart_> is it some vi command or something
[08:34] <adaptr> standard sed regex notation
[08:34] <Cann0n> stuart_: it's our way of correcting spelling mistakes or edit what we have written
[08:35] <Cann0n> is there a reason one bust go with the newest version of hostapd?
[08:35] <stuart_> k
[08:37] <zaltekk> Cann0n: well, for one, you need support for the new mac80211 drivers
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[08:37] <The-Croupier> greetings phrag ;)
[08:38] <The-Croupier> what you up 2 bruv?
[08:38] <zaltekk> and for two, the versions newer than 0.7.1 seemed to have errors starting for no reason, and upon checking some forums, it seems that they have bugs that were fixed in 0.7.x, but never made it into 0.6.x
[08:38] <zaltekk> even though 0.7.1 is the dev release and 0.6.x is stable, it seems that only 0.7.1 is really usable
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[08:39] <Cann0n> ok. well, i'm editing the script
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[08:40] <Cann0n> i see what you are talking about
[08:41] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: i did as in the tutorial and i got: nl80211 driver initialization failed.
[08:41] <Azeotrope> in the .conf file i cant find ath5k or ath9k
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[08:41] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: you want to enable mac80211, not specifically ath5k
[08:42] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: are you in 64bit or 32bit?
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[08:42] <Cann0n> if you don't mind me asking, what is Azeotrope trying to do?
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[08:43] <zaltekk> Cann0n: use his desktop as a wireless access point and router for his laptop
[08:43] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: 64bit
[08:43] <sahk0> besides being told everything instead of figuring out by himself, its quite unclear
[08:44] <Azeotrope> Cann0n: I'm trying to use my pci wifi card as AP.
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[08:44] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: okay...i don't have time now(about to run out the door), but if you still have issues later i can remake and send you my hostapd-0.7.1 package
[08:44] <Azeotrope> i can't figure it out
[08:44] Action: Cann0n is on dial-up.
[08:44] <zaltekk> anyway, afk.  good luck
[08:44] <Azeotrope> zaltekk: ok, thank you again
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[08:50] <tommys_knockers> is slackpkg install-new wcid the correct way to install wcid  ?
[08:51] <Cann0n> just install the one in /extra on the dvd
[08:51] <Cann0n> wicd comes with slackware, just not installed
[08:52] <tommys_knockers> ok i will ....i tried it that way but it couldnt  get gst-plugins-good-0.10.18-i486-1.txz
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[08:53] <Cann0n> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/gst-plugins-good/
[08:53] <sahk0> its also in -current
[08:53] <Cann0n> tommys_knockers: do you know how to use a SlackBuild?
[08:53] <tommys_knockers> in current ? ,.,,i edited my slackpkg coonfig file for current
[08:54] <tommys_knockers> yes Cann0n
[08:54] <tommys_knockers> but it couldnt find it
[08:54] <sahk0> current has 0.10.21 now
[08:54] <Cann0n> you didn't look hard enough. i just sent you the link
[08:54] <Cann0n> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/gst-plugins-good/
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[08:55] <tommys_knockers> yeah ill do that now Cann0n just wondered why slackpkg couldnt find it
[08:55] <Cann0n> because slackware isn't a repo based distro
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[08:57] <tommys_knockers> i updated xchat but it crashes :(
[08:57] <Cann0n> i use irssi
[08:57] <tommys_knockers> yeah ill give that ago
[08:58] <Cann0n> any reason why it crashes?
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[08:58] <tommys_knockers> dont know when i select freenode and hit connect it just crashes
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[08:59] <Cann0n> try running it in a terminal so you get output as to why
[08:59] <tommys_knockers> first time i tried just now ..since i updated it
[08:59] <tommys_knockers> ok
[09:00] <tommys_knockers> xchat: symbol lookup error: xchat undefined symbol: gdk_x11_window_get_drawable_impl
[09:01] <Cann0n> hmmm
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[09:43] <Blue-Slacker> hi
[09:43] <Azeotrope> this is my rc.inet1.conf http://pastebin.org/111704 . I don't know why, everytime i boot up slack i have issues with the name of the interface. one time is eth1, one time is eth0_rename etc. I tried the same config in rc.inet1.conf for eth1, i've even put the same config for both eth0 and eth1. Ay idea/help?
[09:44] <Blue-Slacker> I have only have  xfce in my system and want to use compiz in it how i can do it
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[09:45] <Azeotrope> I forgot to mention that my ip is *static*
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[09:46] <hackedhead> Azeotrope: maybe write a udev rule that consistently names the network card(s) ?
[09:47] <Azeotrope> how? i don't know
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[09:49] <Zordrak> udev should automatically load the module for a scsi hba, right?
[09:50] <Zordrak> i mean i can add it to rc.modules but if udev should be picking it up i want to find why it isnt
[09:50] <Azeotrope> I have two NICs but i use only one
[09:51] <Azeotrope> the other one is onboard
[09:51] <hackedhead> Azeotrope: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[09:52] <hackedhead> the reason eht0-1 stuff happens is because the kernel doesn't necessarily load one before the other
[09:52] <hackedhead> but if you write udev rules based on the MAC address or serial number or some other unique ID of each device, you can map them to specific /dev/<mynetcardname> entries
[09:53] <hackedhead> and then they'll always be in the right place.
[09:53] <hackedhead> that doc should take you through the process.
[09:54] <Azeotrope> ok. thank you!
[09:55] <gm152> It's not udev's job to load modules.
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[09:56] <tommys_knockers> ive iinstalled wicd and when i do gpasswd -a <user> netdev   ...it doesnt add ...i did it as root ?
[09:56] <gm152> The user has to logout then back in for the user to be in the group.
[09:57] <tommys_knockers> oh right thanks gm152
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[09:59] <Zordrak> gm152: can you clarify? my information is gleaned from the head of rc.modules
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[09:59] <snL20> eh, is it normal for ext4 to use about 30gb of the free space ?
[10:00] <Zordrak> "This file should only be used when hotplug or udev are not loading a module that you require [...]
[10:00] <Zordrak> snL20: in a big disk yes
[10:00] <snL20> Zordrak: like 1TB
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[10:00] <Zordrak> in 400/500G disks 30G for ext4 isnt unuasual
[10:00] <tommys_knockers> it added gm152  but when i startup wicd-client it says ......Unable to contact the wcid daemon due to an access denied error from dbus .please check your user is in the netdev group
[10:00] <Zordrak> thats one of the reasons i use xfs for high capacity storage
[10:01] <alisonken1home> journaling has a price
[10:01] <tommys_knockers> do i need to restart wcid daemon ?
[10:01] <snL20> Zordrak: /dev/sdc1             917G  200M  871G   1% is what I get on my internal 1TB drive for ext4
[10:02] <gm152> tommys_knockers: Run the command "groups" to determine if the user is in the netdev group.
[10:02] <snL20> Zordrak: I suppose I can live with it if ext4 is a good fs :)
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[10:02] <Zordrak> snL20: id use xfs myself
[10:02] <tommys_knockers> yeah i type groups as user and netdev is there
[10:02] <Zordrak> in fact i do
[10:03] <snL20> Zordrak: hmmm... how is it compared to ext4 ?
[10:05] <Zordrak> snL20: in what regard?
[10:06] <Zordrak> snL20: when google came to the what FS question they decided xfs or ekt4 and went with ext4 because upgrading from ext2/3 is easier
[10:06] <snL20> Zordrak: performance/space usage/safety of data/* ?
[10:06] <Zordrak> if that helps (and my memory is accurate)
[10:06] <snL20> Zordrak: ok... :-)
[10:06] <Zordrak> snL20: theres too much debate on that question to answer it simply. its an epic argument
[10:07] <snL20> Zordrak: hehe... I'll try xfs :]
[10:08] <snL20> Zordrak: one question though...
[10:08] <snL20> Zordrak: have you ever lost any data as a result of using it ?
[10:08] <Zordrak> no
[10:08] <Zordrak> never
[10:08] <snL20> Zordrak: ok cool :-)
[10:08] <tommys_knockers> gm152, works ok now i reboot
[10:09] <Zordrak> but if i did every HD i have has another identical HD that does online backups
[10:09] <gm152> tommys_knockers: I saw some Google pages that suggest that method but was looking for a better way such as merely restarting an rc script.
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[10:10] <tommys_knockers> yeah
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[10:12] <snL20> Zordrak: uhm... so its not to good on small files ?
[10:12] <tommys_knockers> hmm not getting an ip from my wired gw though :(
[10:13] <gm152> Zordrak: I had forgotten that udev can provide hotplugging (the loading of modules).
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[10:14] <pedro1254> did someone here installed Slackware on a Inspiron 1525?
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[10:14] <Zordrak> gm152: i decided to compile in anyway.. just rebooting into the new kernel now
[10:15] <Zordrak> .. fingers crossed
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[10:18] <Zordrak> FFS
[10:18] <pedro1254> hmm
[10:18] <Zordrak> when compiled in the firmware doesnt load (same goes for huge kernel)
[10:18] <pedro1254> tell me, is there any easy tutorial for installing Slackwre?
[10:18] <Zordrak> pedro1254: /topic
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[10:18] <thrice`> it's menu driven, so the ability to read is enough
[10:19] <dsockwell> the hard part is partitioning
[10:19] <dsockwell> after you partition right (simple is better for your first time) you can restart as many times as you need to
[10:20] <pedro1254> there is no Gnome on slackware =/
[10:21] <Skywise> you can install it if you want to
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[10:25] <Zordrak> this doesnt seem to make a whole lot of sense.. when compiled in, its trying to load firmware that lives in /lib/firmware BEFORE it loads the root fs
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[10:27] <Zordrak> so im back to the udev vs rc.modules question
[10:28] <eldragon> i burned and booted sucessfully the .iso snapshots
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[10:30] <Zordrak> screw it.. rc.modules it is
[10:32] <Skywise> udev sucks
[10:32] <Skywise> its the worst enhancement to an operating system since windows put in a registry
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[10:33] <thrice`> are you serious?  udev is awesome, especially compared to its predecessors
[10:33] <Skywise> lol
[10:33] <Skywise> give me mknod anyday
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[10:36] <Zordrak> thrice`: while im not necessarily disagreeing, cos i like udev... if its so awesome why isnt it loading my scsi hba? :)
[10:36] <Skywise> because udev's purpose is to thwart you with temptation of being easier when its not
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[10:36] <thrice`> Zordrak, what do you mean not loading?  the module that it should?
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[10:37] <Skywise> changing anything in udev is a million times harder then making a device file
[10:37] <Zordrak> thrice`: basically yeah. afaics its ok in modules.alias which afaik udev should pick up and run with
[10:38] <thrice`> are you trying to boot from it?
[10:38] <thrice`> or is this after the system is up
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[10:39] <Zordrak> after up
[10:40] <thrice`> hm, strange.  it's a hot-pluggable device?
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[10:42] <Zordrak> difficult to say.. possibly/probably not being a pci64 card
[10:42] <thrice`> and if you reboot with it already plugged in?
[10:43] <Zordrak> doesnt load it
[10:43] <Zordrak> had to add to rc.modules
[10:43] <Zordrak> and cant compile-in cause the fw doesnt load
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[10:53] <Zordrak> well pull on my nuts and call me frank j. samuelsson... it looks like its working! tape and changer both detected!
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[11:00] <Blue-Slacker> brainvision: hi man are you there
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[11:03] <v6CommO> anyone have a suggestion for a Color Laser Jet Printer that also has a Flatbed Scanner?
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[11:06] <rek> hi i'm sad
[11:06] <Skywise> you look like rek to me
[11:07] <rek> what?
[11:07] <alisonken1home> <whoosh>
[11:07] <rek> i don't have a gf anymore
[11:07] <Skywise> totally
[11:07] <rek> totally
[11:07] <Skywise> that means you can get more now
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[11:08] <rek> maybe but i always wait for something that's my problem
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[11:08] <Skywise> then stop doing that
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[11:08] <rek> skywise do you have many gf?
[11:08] <Skywise> no, 1 is too many as it is
[11:08] <rek> i loved her...
[11:09] <Skywise> yeah thats the thing about love
[11:09] <Skywise> its all in your head and won't make anyone love you back
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[11:09] <rek> she found an ugly boy
[11:09] <Skywise> theres no accounting for taste
[11:10] <rek> why
[11:10] <Skywise> because its not based on any rule
[11:10] <thrice`> perhaps you should just end it
[11:10] <rek> she was totally....
[11:11] <Skywise> theres at leat 10,000 on the planet just like her, but why don't you try a different flavor this time
[11:11] <rek> i could make her come just talking to her
[11:11] <Skywise> well, maybe theres your problem
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[11:12] <rek> poor rek
[11:13] <Skywise> thats how life goes
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[11:13] <Skywise> you can lose a loved one for many reasons, life still goes on
[11:13] <rek> is there a good girl out there?
[11:13] <Skywise> i heard about one, but i'm not sure i believe it
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[11:20] <Skywise> but don't worry, it won't be too long before you can buy the robot of your dreams, you could start saving now
[11:20] <Zordrak> ugh netbackup is damn good when its worknig.. but GETTING it working isnt so easy
[11:20] <Skywise> thats the whole issue of backup
[11:20] <Skywise> you need a functioning system to do a restore and by then whats the point
[11:20] <Zordrak> huh?
[11:20] <rek> Skywise, but generally i don't look for girls...
[11:21] <Zordrak> im talking about initial configure
[11:21] <Skywise> i'm talking about restoring to bare metal
[11:21] <Skywise> you shouldn't look for girls, that never works
[11:21] <Skywise> its why so many people keep trying night after night
[11:22] <Skywise> find a friend first and then see if you can stand each other in a relationship
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[11:26] <CcSsNET> lol skywise, robot hahaha
[11:26] <CcSsNET> i actually seen some guy in japan or somewhere out east was in the process of making one
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[11:27] <Skywise> yeah, theres always someone comming out with a creepy silicone mask wearing thing just about every year
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[11:28] <CcSsNET> heh
[11:28] <Zordrak> can someone with -current please run rescan-scsi-bus and see if there are errors at the start of output
[11:29] <pprkut> /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus: line 476: [: 474:: integer expression expected
[11:30] <Zordrak> *nod*
[11:30] <Zordrak> same here
[11:30] <nachox> pprkut, please, can you paste that line in pastebin?
[11:30] <nachox> with some context please
[11:30] <Skywise> looks like an unmatched bracket
[11:30] <nachox> i do not think so
[11:31] <pprkut> nachox: well, the context is the line before and after, but I will do so next time
[11:32] <jeev> lol
[11:32] <jeev> "i could make her come just by talking to her"
[11:32] <jeev> she was either really weird or a great faker and you're a ditz
[11:32] <nachox> pprkut, its a script, there are 476 lines before that one and god knows how many after
[11:32] <rek> i know
[11:32] <nachox> paste from line 470 to 480 in pastebin and i'll see what i can do about it
[11:33] <pprkut> nachox: ah, now I see your point. I'm not interested in a solution right now. Zordrak seemed to be interested in the error itself
[11:33] <nachox> Zordrak, would you mind?
[11:34] <Zordrak> pprkut: not more than a bug report
[11:34] <Zordrak> nachox: sure
[11:34] <Zordrak> nachox: http://1837331
[11:34] <Zordrak> er
[11:34] <nachox> hehe
[11:34] <Zordrak> nachox: http://pastebin.ca/1837331
[11:34] <pprkut> haha
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[11:35] <Zordrak> its the if
[11:35] <nachox> ok, please run sg_inq -V 2>&1 | cut -d " " -f 3
[11:35] <nachox> and paste the output here
[11:36] <nachox> assuming its not large as hell
[11:36] <Zordrak> if you run: if [ "$sg_version" -lt 70 ] ; then echo "foo"; fi
[11:36] <Zordrak> i actually have no sg_inq
[11:37] <Zordrak> which may be the problem
[11:37] <nachox> ok, grep for sg_inq in that file
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[11:38] <Zordrak> INQ=`sg_inq $sg_len_arg /dev/$SGDEV`
[11:38] <Zordrak> thats the only other line
[11:38] <nachox> so there must be a binary called sq_inq somewhere
[11:38] <nachox> slocate sg_inq
[11:38] <Zordrak> not in any of two full installs i have
[11:38] <Zordrak> nada
[11:39] <nachox> is your locate db updated?
[11:39] <bigpaws> nada here either
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[11:39] <Zordrak> runs daily
[11:39] <Zordrak> no man entry either
[11:39] <Zordrak> nothing for a grep in /v/l/packages
[11:40] <Zordrak> it gorn
[11:40] <Zordrak> looks perhaps like a lack of sg3_utils
[11:42] <nachox> agreed
[11:42] <Zordrak> not on a 12.2 bok either
[11:43] <nachox> ok, i'll be damned, the package browser is broken
[11:43] <Zordrak> daosnt *look* like its ever been in slack
[11:43] <Zordrak> nachox: buh?
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[11:43] <nachox> Zordrak, did you install all of current?
[11:43] <Zordrak> yusyus
[11:44] <nachox> the package browser in slackware.it is broken
[11:44] <bigpaws> I did as well
[11:44] <Zordrak> i have all kinds of full installs.. March -current, current -current, 13.0, 12.2, 12.1
[11:44] <Zordrak> nothing
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[11:44] <Zordrak> looks like slacky.eu has been providing it for some time as an addition, furthur suggesting its not been in slack
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[11:45] <NoelleRousell> hello
[11:46] <te_> I have distorted window image when launching soffice, see: http://imagebin.ca/view/zcK2fpkC.html  Using KDE-4.3.1
[11:46] <te_> Anyone know what could cause this?
[11:47] <nachox> Zordrak, ok, it doesnt seem to be part of slackware, yes. fill a bug about it
[11:47] <Zordrak> im mirroring all slack back to 12.0 and `find /mirror -iname "*sg3*"` yields nothing
[11:47] <Zordrak> kk just a mail to pat?
[11:47] <pprkut> should suffice
[11:48] <nachox> i guess so. Maybe alienBOB knows better though
[11:48] <Zordrak> can cc
[11:50] <rachael> anyone have an ideer to debug a nfsroot system that ones inawhile hanges at syslogd durring the start ?
[11:51] <Cann0n> yeah easy
[11:51] <Cann0n> rm -rf /etc/rc.d/
[11:51] <Cann0n> j/k of course
[11:52] <te_> See:  http://imagebin.ca/view/W73uvL6s.html
[11:52] <Zordrak> mailed
[11:53] <Cann0n> i can't install foobillards or fleeglut
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[11:55] <Cann0n> getting EOF on freeglut, which is needed by foobillards
[11:55] <Skywise> rachael, somehow i think logging on a nfs partition isn't a good idea, use there remote logging facility instead
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[11:55] <Zordrak> wth? if lsscsi confirms the tape device is /dev/st0 and neither st0 or nst0 is a symlink.. why does netbackup detect it as /dev/nst0?
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[11:55] <Cann0n> AND i downloading 32bit source code for blender the first time... wasted like 3 hours
[11:56] <rachael> Skywise: seems like a race condition atleast, as it only hanges sometimes
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[11:57] <Skywise> yeah, with a lot of activity, you can get an issue especially if its causing errors to be logged
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[11:59] <Skywise> with remote logging, syslog sends out the packets and doesn't really care if answered or not
[11:59] <Skywise> it won't cause contention if the connection is dropped
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[12:07] <NoelleRousell> \o/
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[12:10] <Azeotrope> if i put a file with a command in /etc/cron.daily/ will it be executed?
[12:10] <NoelleRousell> if its a valid script
[12:11] <Bapa> Should probably have the executable bit set, too.
[12:11] <NoelleRousell> yea
[12:11] <Azeotrope> I want to autoupdate metasploit. the command is msfupdate
[12:12] <NoelleRousell> #!/bin/bash
[12:12] <NoelleRousell>  /usr/bin/msfupdate or whatever
[12:12] <NoelleRousell> chmod +x blah.sh
[12:12] <alienBOB> Zordrak: regarding your email about sg_inc:
[12:12] <Bapa> You could also make a symbolic link to a script, I think. Providing, again, that it's valid.
[12:13] <Zordrak> alienBOB: yah?
[12:13] <alienBOB> That program is never called, unless the program sg_turs has been detected first
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[12:13] <Azeotrope> Will that be executed as root. NoelleRousell ?
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[12:14] <alienBOB> Hmmm - it is needed in another place as well
[12:14] <Zordrak> alienBOB: line 474
[12:15] <alienBOB> Yes, 476 in my case even
[12:15] <alienBOB> The older version of rescan-scsi-bus did not call this missing binary
[12:15] <Zordrak> orite
[12:15] <alienBOB> At some point it got upgraded apparently
[12:15] <Zordrak> f'nuff
[12:20] <thrice`> sigh.  mesa 7.6, kde effects default to on.  mesa 7.7, kde turns them off by default, but I can enable them.  mesa 7.8, they don't turn on at all
[12:20] <thrice`> progress?
[12:21] <pprkut> of course! ;)
[12:21] <thrice`> hurray intel
[12:23] <Cann0n> i cant get foobillards compiled
[12:23] <te_> anyone else having issues with distorted window images in KDE-4?
[12:24] <Cann0n> sounds like a xaa prblem
[12:24] <thrice`> hm, I think kde is at fault, because the graphics seem to work fine
[12:24] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: 7.8? using the rc1?
[12:24] <thrice`> is there an RC?
[12:24] <thrice`> I just pulled from 7.8 when it got branched
[12:24] <Chicomiah> Alright guys, real quick question. I purchased a new sound card and I have it set as prefered output device, however that doesnt appear to be global because some other programs use it. I have 2 other sound preferences that could be running, can I blacklist them so the computer will defer to my sound card? If so, how do I go about it
[12:25] <Camarade_Tux> not sure, if it's not available now it should be available very soon (tm)
[12:25] <Chicomiah> Some other programs dont use it*
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[12:34] <agentc0re> Chicomiah: is the other a onboard soundcard?  if so, just disable it in the bios.
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[12:36] <Chicomiah> @agentc0re Yeah actually, thanks BRB
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[12:52] <ThunderWolf> Keep getting error "Checking for C complier default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot creare executables. See config.log for more details." What sould i do?
[12:52] <ThunderWolf> I have gcc installed
[12:52] <ThunderWolf> Running Slack 13
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[12:54] <Skywise> that sounds like a file permissions issue
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[12:55] <Bapa> Hmm.
[12:55] <thrice`> no, it sounds like you're on 64-bit, but have ARCH set to i486
[12:55] <Bapa> export ARCH=x86_64
[12:55] <Bapa> (or whatever your architecture is; just started reading.)
[12:56] <adaptr> thrice`: it doesn't sound like that AT ALL, but yo've probably encountered this one before :)
[12:56] <ThunderWolf> ive read about that
[12:56] <ThunderWolf> but i have a 32 bit system
[12:56] <Skywise> i think its the typo "creare" gave it away
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[12:58] <thrice`> hehe
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[13:27] <metrofox> in ##calx
[13:27] <metrofox> lol... hi guys :-)
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[13:35] <Zordrak> god damnnit... another C4 library broken
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[13:56] <trhodes> vhann: hey, i figured out what you wanted
[13:56] <vhann> Is anyone else having their Slackware 13.0 listening on TCP port 37 (nmap tells me my machine is)?
[13:56] <vhann> trhodes: Really?
[13:56] <trhodes> (the see if something was backgrounded)
[13:56] <trhodes> s/the/to
[13:56] <vhann> trhodes: You got me interested, what have you found?
[13:57] <valsiterb> greetings
[13:57] <trhodes> awk '{print $5,$8}' /proc/self/stat
[13:58] <trhodes> well, test if fields 5 and 8 are the same, if so, it's foreground
[13:59] <valsiterb> i have little problem with setting up locales at slackware 13.0
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[13:59] <trhodes> vhann: man proc | less -p \/stat #for more about how / why that works
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[14:00] <vhann> trhodes: Thanks, it does indeed seem to work :)
[14:01] <vhann> valsiterb: What do you mean?
[14:01] <trhodes> vhann: inetd is running TIME it looks like
[14:02] <valsiterb> i've followed the guide how to set locales to czech language, but after reboot, it was returned to default
[14:02] <vhann> trhodes: Ok, I was wondering because I didn't remember my last  nmap scan showing it
[14:02] <vhann> valsiterb: what is the value of '$LANG'
[14:03] <vhann> valsiterb: (Like when you type the command 'echo $LANG' in a terminal)
[14:03] <valsiterb> vhann: en_US
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[14:04] <vhann> valsiterb: That must be it
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[14:04] <vhann> Try changing it to something like cz_CZ (you'd have to check if that's the correct lang value, as I'm not sure)
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[14:06] <valsiterb> done (export LANG=cs_CZ)
[14:06] <vhann> valsiterb: Now, does it work?
[14:07] <valsiterb> the terminal font displays invalid
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[14:08] <vhann> valsiterb: Try LANG=cs_CZ.UTF8
[14:09] <valsiterb> same problem
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[14:11] <trhodes> vhann: lsof -i :$PORT_NUMBER #to do a quick check, also don't forget rpcinfo -p
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[14:12] <trhodes> that ought to show inetd in your case
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[14:13] <vhann> trhodes: Yup, thanks for the info
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[14:13] <trhodes> hmm, that doesn't work for me :/
[14:14] <trhodes> when I start inetd and do that lsof command, it outputs nothing
[14:14] <vhann> trhodes: Running Slackware 13.0?
[14:14] <trhodes> not entirely
[14:15] <trhodes> some 12.2, 13 and -current
[14:15] <trhodes> well, 12.2 era current
[14:15] <vhann> Hum
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[14:19] <trhodes> lsof -p `pidof inetd` #works, so why can't i get lsof -i to work the other way... ?!
[14:20] <valsiterb> where is in 13.0 setenv command?
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[14:22] <vhann> valsiterb: What is your problem exactly? Do you want your GUI programs to use a czech locale?
[14:22] <trhodes> oh haha, it's 'cause inetd rns as root, and lsof can't see it :)
[14:23] <trhodes> (my "yoo" key j*st died)
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[14:24] <valsiterb> vhann: after i set locales to czech, it will reset after first reboot
[14:24] <vhann> valsiterb: Yeah, you need to set them in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
[14:26] <vhann> valsiterb: Using 'LANG=cs_CZ konsole' works fine here btw
[14:27] <vhann> What terminal emulator do you use?
[14:27] <vhann> (konsole, gnome-terminal, xterm, etc.)
[14:28] <valsiterb> exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator
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[14:30] <NoelleRousell> vhann: did you disable port 37?
[14:30] <Blue-Slacker> brainvision: hi man are have 2 min time to me
[14:30] <vhann> NoelleRousell: What do you mean? Like blocking it via iptables?
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[14:30] <NoelleRousell> like stopping the service
[14:31] <NoelleRousell> cat /etc/services |grep " 37/"
[14:31] <vhann> valsiterb: Ok, so you use /usr/bin/Terminal. I tried 'LANG=cs_CZ Terminal' and characters displayed fine. Just edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh and replace the line which starts with 'LANG=' by 'LANG=cs_CZ'
[14:31] <trhodes> UUoC ;)
[14:32] <mancha> grep " 37" /etc/services
[14:32] <trhodes> whew, thanks :P
[14:32] <valsiterb> vhann: yes, it's done
[14:32] <mancha> sorry, extra pipes are a pet peeve
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[14:32] <vhann> valsiterb: Now, it will, hopefully, stay upon reboot
[14:32] <valsiterb> vhann: what font you use?
[14:33] <NoelleRousell> mancha: yeah yeah yeah
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[14:33] <vhann> valsiterb: /etc/rc.d/rc.font tells me it is 'lat9w-08.psfu.gz'
[14:34] <mancha> echo "yeah yeah yeah" | rev | rev
[14:34] <vhann> NoelleRousell: Nah, I had already figured out it was inetd which is listening on port 37
[14:35] <NoelleRousell> vhann: genious!
[14:35] <adaptr> mancha: grep 37 /etc/services, foo! extra quotes suck!
[14:35] <valsiterb> vhann: how can i do this? setfont foo.psfu.gz?
[14:35] <vhann> There is nothing like a 'time' protocol running
[14:35] <trhodes> adaptr: there are lots of 37's ;)
[14:35] <NoelleRousell> 37 is god
[14:35] <adaptr> trhodes: either catches all of them
[14:35] <vhann> valsiterb: I think so
[14:36] <adaptr> quotes are only mandatory if the regex contains shell special characters
[14:36] <adaptr> "37" does not
[14:36] <trhodes> i like the \ 37/ look myself
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[14:36] <mancha> adaptr, i used quotes cause i wanted a space
[14:36] <mancha> you see, 137 is not of interest to me
[14:36] <mancha> fail++
[14:36] <adaptr> ah, I missed that - but you could have just used \b
[14:36] <mancha> but i didn't
[14:36] <valsiterb> what are good consolefont for central europe?
[14:36] <mancha> so you failed, thanks.
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[14:37] <adaptr> one character less
[14:37] <NoelleRousell> mancha: yeah yeah yeah
[14:37] <mancha> echo "yeah yeah yeah" | rev | rev
[14:37] <NoelleRousell> wtf
[14:37] <NoelleRousell> mancha: yes `yes `yes``
[14:38] <vhann> NoelleRousell: So, what was the point of your question (asking if I had disabled port 37)?
[14:38] <trhodes> we can't have cleartext in them pipes: echo "yeah yeah yeah" | rot13 | rot13
[14:38] <NoelleRousell> vhann: iq test
[14:38] <adaptr> mancha: you could do with less bitching - unless you are one ?
[14:38] <NoelleRousell> lets hope he just forkbombed his system :D
[14:39] <mancha> hah
[14:39] <mancha> right, i'm gonna forkbomb my system.
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[14:39] <mancha> plus, thats a bannable offense here. you really should notpaste forkbombs that noobs will try unsuspectingly
[14:39] <mancha> ops: <NoelleRousell> mancha: yes `yes `yes``
[14:39] <NoelleRousell> oops sorry i meant to PM
[14:40] <NoelleRousell> all kosher now
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[14:40] <phrag> don't post fork bombs in channel
[14:40] <vhann> /etc/security/limits.conf ftw
[14:40] Nick change: snL20 -> bratney_spears
[14:40] <mancha> not all kosher. folks, do not paste what NoelleRoussell posted into your shell.
[14:40] <NoelleRousell> yeah my /msg failed
[14:40] <mancha> it is an intentionally malicious one-liner. it will consume a lot of your CPU ina en endless recursion.
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[14:41] <adaptr> can you explain it ? I thought yes took no arguments
[14:41] <NoelleRousell> sorry !
[14:41] Nick change: bratney_spears -> snL20
[14:41] <mancha> yes takes as argument what it'll repeat
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[14:41] <trhodes> it does
[14:41] <mancha> try "yes adaptr"
[14:42] <adaptr> ugh
[14:42] <adaptr> it took 20 seconds to even acknowledge my ctrl-c
[14:42] <adaptr> nasty
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[14:42] <trhodes> handy for network testing when piped into dd :)
[14:43] <adaptr> so nohup would obviate any need for the recursion :)
[14:43] <mancha> adaptr, you can also look into quotas
[14:43] <adaptr> ulimits ?
[14:43] <mancha> yes ulimit
[14:44] <adaptr> mm good idea on a multi-user system, true, but on my desktop I probably want to be able to use the entire CPU
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[14:44] <mancha> you can use the entire cpu, ulimit -u will limit the # of processes though
[14:44] <adaptr> ah good one
[14:44] <mancha> i mean, are you gonna run more than say 200 procs?
[14:44] <adaptr> I thought that was rlimit - unless that's cpu per process
[14:45] <mancha> and given there are still assholes on the networks posting forkboms (*cough*) it never hurts to have those
[14:45] <valsiterb> vhann: thanks it works, but the font displays still invalid
[14:45] <NoelleRousell> adaptr: just yes "adapter" took 20 seconds to ctrl + c?
[14:45] <NoelleRousell> what frigging terminal
[14:45] <NoelleRousell> something with font-smoothing craps no doubt
[14:46] <trhodes> things in screen can take a while
[14:46] <adaptr> um no, just a dual 2GHz system on idle :)
[14:46] <trhodes> even in otherwise fast terminals
[14:47] <trhodes> ulimit is a shell builtin, fwiw
[14:47] <alienBOB> NoelleRousell: watch your words - I have banned you before for being offensive
[14:47] <valsiterb> can i run gedit in xfce without gnome installed?
[14:48] <trhodes> i wonder if ulimit syntax is posix spec. ... ?
[14:48] <adaptr> NoelleRousell: I suggest you try it yourself, then
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[14:51] <vhann> NoelleRousell: I guess I failed your IQ test, because I still don't grok the usefulness of the TIME protocol
[14:51] <NoelleRousell> adaptr: i did try it
[14:52] <NoelleRousell> adaptr: it exits the second i say ctrl + c.... it was just "yes adapter".......
[14:52] <trhodes> vhann: ntp is better
[14:52] <adaptr> NoelleRousell: in what terminal
[14:52] <NoelleRousell> xterm
[14:53] <NoelleRousell> vhann: are you still listening on 6000 ?
[14:53] <vhann> trhodes: Yeah, but not having a NTP/TIME service on my computer wouldn't do much harm from what I understand
[14:53] <vhann> NoelleRousell: I'm running irssi from tty1, so no
[14:53] <NoelleRousell> just run ntpdate pool.ntp.org occassionally
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[14:54] <adaptr> vhann: NTP has nothing to do with TIME
[14:54] <NoelleRousell> time server is probably jsut telnet that says the time
[14:54] <adaptr> it is
[14:54] <NoelleRousell> basically
[14:54] <vhann> adaptr: Well, what is TIME then?
[14:54] <adaptr> ^^^
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[14:55] <NoelleRousell> i use inetd for proftpd, rsyncd, and buckd....everything else is commented out
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[14:56] <vhann> adaptr: Would you mind correcting the wikipedia page, because they clearly say NTP superseded TIME hence making the 2 quite similar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIME_protocol
[14:56] <adaptr> ..about 20 years ago, yes
[14:57] <adaptr> as such. TIME has long ceased being relevant to network time
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[14:58] <trhodes> ntpclient even comes in embedded form
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[15:03] <mancha> have any of you good folks built cinelerra?\
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[15:13] <brainvision> hello
[15:13] <NoelleRousell> hye
[15:13] <brainvision> I would like to have some help on understanding how a webcam works..
[15:13] <brainvision> NoelleRousell: hi man!
[15:13] <pprkut> mancha: years ago. Haven't looked at it in ages
[15:13] <Camarade_Tux> see, it takes pictures
[15:13] <Camarade_Tux> and puts them together
[15:14] <brainvision> Camarade_Tux:
[15:14] <NoelleRousell> locate -i "Jay?Z"|xargs rm
[15:14] <brainvision> I think you are explaining me how the webcam works, aren't you?
[15:14] <Camarade_Tux> you're welcome, I love helping others =)
[15:14] <brainvision> :D
[15:14] <brainvision> no really..
[15:14] <brainvision> I haven't never used one, neither in win neither in linux..
[15:14] <Camarade_Tux> isn't it what you asked for? :P
[15:15] <brainvision> so I would like to know what software I've to use with it..
[15:15] <NoelleRousell> its works because some really smart guys made it a long time ago
[15:15] <mancha> pprkut ah i see. my cinelerra and my faad2 are in a mud-wrestling tournament
[15:16] <brainvision> no idea?
[15:16] <NoelleRousell> i used to use videodog
[15:16] <brainvision> mmm.. oik..
[15:16] <mancha> i think there are some structural changes in the latest faad2 that are borking things
[15:16] <NoelleRousell> check out webcam studio
[15:16] <brainvision> another question
[15:16] <Camarade_Tux> I use mplayer
[15:16] <NoelleRousell> pretty interesting program
[15:17] <brainvision> oh if I can use mplayer..
[15:17] <brainvision> I prefer to not install others..
[15:17] <Camarade_Tux> 'mplayer -tv tv:// /dev/video' <- it's most certainly wrong but something along that works
[15:17] <brainvision> :D
[15:17] <brainvision> tv?
[15:17] <brainvision> mmmmm
[15:17] <pprkut> mancha: can't you disable faad2?
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[15:18] <brainvision> and what about kernel configuration?
[15:18] <NoelleRousell> default huge-smp should have everything
[15:18] <brainvision> I've recompiled my kernel and I remeber that I disabled the webcam section
[15:18] <Camarade_Tux> do you have /dev/videoX?
[15:18] <brainvision> and the entire section Video for Linux, too
[15:18] <NoelleRousell> brainvision: welllllllllllllllllllllll thennnnnnnnnnnnnnn......
[15:18] <Camarade_Tux> well, first thing would be to put it back :-)
[15:18] <brainvision> yes I'm sure Camarade_Tux
[15:18] <Camarade_Tux> could compile as a module and modprobe them without rebooting
[15:18] <brainvision> but
[15:19] <brainvision> yes
[15:19] <Camarade_Tux> cat
[15:19] <brainvision> Camarade_Tux: I would like to know, if you know it, if I need the section Video for Linux, too
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[15:20] <mancha> pprkut, possibly if i do without quicktime, but then i think i would give up good features.
[15:20] <NoelleRousell> brainvision: yes
[15:20] <mancha> i am parsing the faad2 source now and should have a patch soonish
[15:20] <NoelleRousell> and you need some crap from USB section too im sure
[15:20] <brainvision> NoelleRousell: so are you sure?
[15:20] <brainvision> some crap?
[15:20] <NoelleRousell> pretty sure
[15:21] <brainvision> I'm not understanding crap..
[15:21] <pprkut> mancha: hmm. Memories coming back of endless struggles with ffmpeg :D
[15:21] <NoelleRousell> unplug cam, boot into huge-smp, lsmod >> nocam.txt; plug in cam; lsmod >> cam.txt; diff nocam.txt cam.txt
[15:21] <Camarade_Tux> you need v4l(2)
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[15:22] <NoelleRousell> brainvision: in the end you are going to have do figure out what you need on your own anyway....
[15:24] <brainvision> NoelleRousell: I was thinking to do a thing like what you suggested me.. :D
[15:24] <brainvision> thank you boyz..
[15:24] <brainvision> now I'll restart my machine and give a try to this webcam..
[15:24] <NoelleRousell> you cant go wrong when you listen to me
[15:24] <brainvision> :D
[15:24] <brainvision> see you!
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[15:27] <jkwood> rworkman: ping
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[15:34] <nachox> jkwood, host unreachable
[15:34] <jkwood> nachox: lol
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[15:37] <belak> What are the advantages of slackware over something like, say, gentoo?
[15:37] <belak> I'm just wondering what the appeal to slackware is
[15:37] <belak> For those who use it
[15:38] <Drakevr> belak, slack is LINUX, gentoo is a failing imitation of freebsd
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[15:38] <Drakevr> if not to say complete / carbon copy
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[15:38] <Drakevr> or lame port to the linux world .. if you like that better
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[15:39] <belak> Ok, well, instead of bashing other distros, why do you like slack?
[15:40] <valsiterb> installing and updating SW in Gentoo costs a lot of time
[15:40] <Drakevr> easy, simple , minimalistic , does not do shit on its on but lets me do it
[15:40] <valsiterb> i've tried it
[15:41] <trhodes> sane complexity comes to mind
[15:41] <pprkut> because of the elite community of course ;)
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[15:41] <belak> Only thing I'm stuck on is my graphics drivers
[15:41] <Drakevr> on slack?
[15:41] <belak> I like using nouveau, but that's not avaliable
[15:42] <belak> I can actually get a decent tty resolution that way
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[15:43] <jkwood> You're free to build the driver yourself.
[15:43] <pprkut> I have decent resolution without nouveau
[15:43] <jkwood> Everything's vanilla, so there's no funny patches to worry about.
[15:43] <belak> pprkut: nouveau isn't in slack, though... no packages...
[15:44] <belak> DO I just run a ./configure && make && make install ?
[15:44] <pprkut> basically....maybe
[15:44] <trhodes> sure, but then it's not uninstallable via the package manager (removepkg)
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[15:45] <trhodes> i hear nvidia takes care of uninstall itself anyways
[15:45] <nachox> belak, advantages is a very subjective term, the best you can do is try slackware for yourself for a while. i mean really try it, test it for 3 weeks, add 1 more to configure it to your likeing and then come back and tell us why you'd run slackware
[15:46] <pprkut> belak: slackware is known for only shipping stable software. Now one can take that clue and ponder why there's no nouveau in slackware
[15:46] <belak> pprkut: Alright. What version of xorg is there?
[15:46] <pprkut> 1.6.2, iirc
[15:46] <pprkut> depending on the version you have installed
[15:46] <sahk0> i think 1.6.3
[15:47] <pprkut> might be
[15:47] <pprkut> yep
[15:47] <valsiterb> i have problem with configuring conky "No package 'lua5.1' found"
[15:47] <belak> Ah, then nouveau will not work. Ok. So, is there a way to get a splash screen to cover the tty output?
[15:47] <belak> And does xorg require hal?
[15:47] <fire|bird> valsiterb: did you install lua?
[15:48] <valsiterb> yes, lua5.1.4
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[15:48] <Camarade_Tux> I am using nouveau
[15:48] <pprkut> belak: both questions can be reasonably answered by asking google
[15:48] <Camarade_Tux> belak: xorg-server < 1.8 requires hal by default
[15:48] <trhodes> 1.6.3 in 13.0
[15:48] <Camarade_Tux> 1.8 changes that afaik
[15:48] <belak> Camarade_Tux: nouveau from git?
[15:49] <trhodes> 1.7.5 in current
[15:49] <Camarade_Tux> git from last week
[15:49] <pprkut> Camarade_Tux: xorg.conf.d ftw \o/
[15:49] <belak> Camarade_Tux: yeah. 1.8.0~git uses udev, I believe
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[15:49] <Camarade_Tux> there's a ./configure switch afaik
[15:49] <belak> Camarade_Tux: what version of X? So, what are you running?
[15:49] <Camarade_Tux> (you can still have hal but it's not default)
[15:49] <Camarade_Tux> xorg-server-1.7.5
[15:50] <belak> Camarade_Tux: what version of slack has that?
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[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> it's not about xorg-server, it's about libdrm, mesa, xf86-video-nouveau and kernel 2.6.34*
[15:50] <trhodes> current
[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> -current
[15:50] <pprkut> none that is of interest to you judging by your questions
[15:50] <sahk0> the development branch
[15:50] <belak> Camarade_Tux: nouveau required xorg 1.7 to compile
[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> was running nouveau on 1.6.x before, but an older version
[15:51] <belak> At least it did a few weeks ago
[15:51] <belak> pprkut: I'm just trying to figure out my options
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux> trouble with nouveau is that you -current, newer libdrm, mesa and xf86-video-nouveau, and a kernel that isn't stable yet
[15:52] <NoelleRousell> why is nouevouesouaa so popular?
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> s/you/you need/
[15:52] <gar0t0> hey everyone
[15:52] <gar0t0> :)
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> NoelleRousell: because "nv" sucks and "nvidia" is proprietary
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> (and sucks imho)
[15:52] <pprkut> NoelleRousell: it's free, it's hip, it eats you children
[15:52] <belak> Camarade_Tux: I have a custom kernel from the nouveau 2.6 branch
[15:52] <NoelleRousell> so....you pay good money for nvidia silicon
[15:52] <NoelleRousell> and then you.....
[15:53] <Camarade_Tux> the joy of compiling a new kernel and not having to recompile, err, try to recompile nvidia, see it fails, fix it
[15:53] <NoelleRousell> not exactly a good boycott
[15:53] <belak> Camarade_Tux: so it's just libdrm, mesa, the driver and xorg >= 1.7
[15:53] <pprkut> belak: nothing wrong with that. But be warned that we generally dislike people that ask a lot of simple question google could answer in an instant
[15:53] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, "just"
[15:53] <NoelleRousell> Camarade_Tux: thats true enough.....but dont you want 3d acceleration
[15:53] <belak> pprkut: then, sorry.
[15:53] <Camarade_Tux> NoelleRousell: I hate this fscking nvidia driver
[15:54] <Camarade_Tux> NoelleRousell: no need for it, I prefer stability right now and I'll have it eventually
[15:54] <NoelleRousell> i use 185 still :D
[15:54] <belak> NoelleRousell: I have basic 3d acceleration... at least in gentoo
[15:54] <Camarade_Tux> my main problem is power savings
[15:54] <pprkut> belak: it's ok, just show some effort ;)
[15:54] <NoelleRousell> yeah i dont really upgrade nvidia
[15:54] <NoelleRousell> 2.6.32 and nvidia 185 works fine here
[15:54] <Camarade_Tux> I recompile my kernel pretty often, nvidia has been a nightmare
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[15:54] <belak> NoelleRousell: how's your framebuffer resolution?
[15:55] <NoelleRousell> its always been like that
[15:55] <NoelleRousell> i dont use framebuffer
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[15:55] Action: pprkut has a 1680x1020 fb console. Is happy with it
[15:55] <NoelleRousell> i use standard 80x45 (or something) tty
[15:55] <belak> NoelleRousell: exactly. Some nouveau people want it for that. So when X refuses to start up, we can so something useful
[15:55] <NoelleRousell> 1020 or 1050
[15:55] <pprkut> err, s/1020/1050/ that is
[15:56] <Camarade_Tux> you can have a 16:10 res in console but it'll be slow
[15:56] <belak> Well, that's one of the reasons I use it
[15:56] <NoelleRousell> i used to use the vesafb console
[15:56] <NoelleRousell> there are some parameters that make it pretty fast
[15:57] <NoelleRousell> but then i was like...why even build that into the kernel
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[15:57] <Camarade_Tux> KMS will be much faster anyway
[15:57] <NoelleRousell> kernel mode sex?
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[15:58] <pprkut> yes, most of the time it's female
[15:58] <fire|bird> lol
[15:58] <alreadygone> ooh what female?
[15:59] <Camarade_Tux> "setting"
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[15:59] <trhodes> s/x/tting
[16:00] <pprkut> alreadygone: don't know. Mine is still asexual
[16:00] <Camarade_Tux> mine's gay: two male penguins at the top -_-
[16:00] <trhodes> reproduces by budding ?
[16:01] <NoelleRousell> hermaphrodite?
[16:01] <belak> I'm assuming slack uses grub 0.97 or what have you?
[16:01] <alreadygone> that can't be right :)
[16:01] <trhodes> no
[16:01] <NoelleRousell> belak: lilo
[16:01] <trhodes> but it can
[16:01] <alreadygone> do something about it
[16:01] <belak> Oh. Alright. And I don't have to install either, if I don't want to and already have a bootloader?
[16:02] <NoelleRousell> belak: dont scoff t lilo!
[16:02] <trhodes> it's in /extra
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[16:02] <belak> NoelleRousell: I've just never used it. Not trying to scoff.
[16:02] <NoelleRousell> heh
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[16:03] <Ivshti> Hello, can somebody give me the output of "echo $HOST" in his terminal
[16:03] <Ivshti> thanks
[16:03] <Camarade_Tux> belak: you don't need to install it, you'll only have to edit the grub config
[16:03] <NoelleRousell> Ivshti: ""
[16:03] <Ivshti> I'm compiling a slackbuild that uses a $HOST variable but it isn't defined in my system
[16:03] <trhodes> `hostname`
[16:03] <Ivshti> so it's probably a bug in the slackbuild
[16:04] <Ivshti> it's supposed to give i486-slackware-linux
[16:04] <NoelleRousell> i believe ssh will set $HOST, but i dont know
[16:04] <NoelleRousell> ohhh
[16:04] <Ivshti> it isn't defined in the slackbuild so I'm confused
[16:04] <belak> Camarade_Tux: ok. Just wanted to make sure that it wouldn't automatically try to kill my current grub install if I dual boot 2 distros
[16:04] <jkwood> $HOST shouldn't return that.
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[16:04] <Camarade_Tux> maybe looking for ARCH? definitely not HOST
[16:04] <Ivshti> yeah, in the slackware version of the slackbuild it says $ARCH-slackware-linux
[16:04] <Camarade_Tux> belak: you'll be asked if you want to install lilo, say no
[16:04] <belak> Ok
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[16:04] <belak> That's easy
[16:05] <Camarade_Tux> Ivshti: which slackbuild?
[16:05] <Ivshti> it's about the GSB gtk+2 slackbuild and the slackware gtk+2 slackbuild
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[16:05] <belak> Camarade_Tux: what kernel currently?
[16:05] <belak> Wait
[16:05] <belak> I'll check
[16:05] <Ivshti> when I compile gtk+2 from GSB it looks up for it's files in /etc/gtk-2.0 instead of /etc/gtk-2.0/i486-slackware-linux
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[16:05] <Camarade_Tux> "currently"? for who? for what?
[16:05] <NoelleRousell> Ivshti: what slackbuild
[16:05] <Camarade_Tux> gsb...
[16:06] <Ivshti> slackware sets DHOST in the ./configure script to $ARCH-slackware-linux, and gsb does set it to $HOST
[16:06] <belak> Camarade_Tux: I don't know. I'm trying to figure this out...
[16:06] <Ivshti> and it should return i486-slackware-linux
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[16:06] <Ivshti> else gtk+2 looks up into /etc/gtk-2.0  instead of the proper location
[16:06] <jkwood> That's something GSB would have to set in their scripts, it's not set by default.
[16:06] <Camarade_Tux> ah...
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> --host ?
[16:07] <Ivshti> I guess. I'll check older versions of that Slackbuild to see if it's that way
[16:07] <belak> So, current has 2.6.33?
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[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> yes
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[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> if you're a beginner, -current is definitely not advised however
[16:08] <belak> Yeah
[16:08] <belak> I kinda figured
[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> (especially *this* current)
[16:08] <belak> :P
[16:08] <NoelleRousell> belak: do you like kde 4?
[16:08] <belak> NoelleRousell: my video card isn't good enough, but yes
[16:08] <NoelleRousell> slackware 13 then
[16:09] <NoelleRousell> 32bit....
[16:09] <belak> NoelleRousell: why do you say that?
[16:09] <NoelleRousell> because it works
[16:09] <NoelleRousell> easily
[16:09] <belak> Hm
[16:09] <belak> Alright.
[16:09] <NoelleRousell> 12.2 is awesome as well though
[16:10] <belak> I'll just have to re-resize my hard drive partitions
[16:10] <NoelleRousell> very awesome
[16:10] <belak> What's the difference?
[16:10] <trhodes> kde 3.5 for one
[16:10] <belak> Ah
[16:10] <NoelleRousell> mostly that
[16:10] <belak> Ok
[16:12] <Ivshti> any news on HAL deprecation and KDE 4?
[16:12] <NoelleRousell> is there a documented way of installing slackware from a fresh chroot ?
[16:12] <Ivshti> devicekit works incredibly good and has never caused me problems, unlike HAL
[16:12] <belak> So, for nvidia drivers, I'll need to download stuff from slackbuilds.org? Or should I just use the official stuff from nvidia?
[16:12] <NoelleRousell> or in a fresh chroot, or even a non fresh one
[16:12] <Ivshti> NoelleRousell: I guess no, but you don't really need chroot
[16:12] <NoelleRousell> belak: official stuff
[16:13] <trhodes> installpkg uses chroot
[16:13] <belak> NoelleRousell: what is the difference?
[16:13] <Ivshti> you just need to cd into your slackware repository, and then run ROOT=FRESH_ROOT installpkg a/*.t?z ap/*.t?z ...for the other series...
[16:13] <NoelleRousell> belak: well i guess the only bad thing about nvidia's drivers are that yhey nuke MESAGL glx.so....but thats a good thing :P
[16:13] <alienBOB> NoelleRousell: it is not hard, use "installpkg --root /path/to/chroot" ... what Ivshti said
[16:14] <Ivshti> then update gtk, icon cache stuff
[16:14] <Ivshti> oh no, it's updated by rc.M
[16:14] <NoelleRousell> alienBOB: can you just do taht for all packages and expect to have a working'ish system?
[16:14] <Ivshti> yes
[16:14] <Ivshti> in the past X required font caches to be updated
[16:14] <trhodes> maybe some /etc things missing
[16:14] <Ivshti> I don't need this now
[16:14] <Ivshti> oh, and you need to set the clock
[16:14] <trhodes> mostly ought to work
[16:14] <Ivshti> and to update your fstab
[16:14] <alienBOB> NoelleRousell: you have to do a little tweaking, but yes
[16:14] <trhodes> yes, and hostname
[16:15] <NoelleRousell> belak: i always just use the nvidia.run file...because what good is a slackware package that has to be recompiled for your new kernel anyway...and the nvidia.run always obliterates old installs (uninstalls) before compiling a new one
[16:15] <belak> NoelleRousell: ok
[16:15] <trhodes> couldn't belak just mount --bind /etc $CHROOT/etc ?
[16:16] <trhodes> i do that with /dev
[16:16] <Ivshti> no
[16:16] <NoelleRousell> belak: neither has any guarantee that that version of nvidia will compile with your kernel...hehe   im stuck on 2.6.32 and nvidia 185  because i trust them
[16:16] <Ivshti> ohh what do you mean
[16:16] <Ivshti> chrooting into the system
[16:16] <NoelleRousell> alienBOB: ok cool
[16:16] <Ivshti> or installing it from a different root
[16:16] <Ivshti> or both?
[16:16] <Ivshti> if both
[16:16] <Ivshti> wait a minute
[16:16] <trhodes> chrooting after installing
[16:17] <trhodes> after installing, but before chroot :)
[16:17] <NoelleRousell> i guess you just make a directory
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[16:17] <NoelleRousell> and installpkg --root=directory */*.t?z ; then you chroot into it and do pkgtool -> setup
[16:17] <Ivshti> wait, I'll upload a script
[16:17] <Ivshti> just a second
[16:17] <Ivshti> you will need to --bind some stuff
[16:17] <trhodes> --bind proc
[16:17] <Ivshti> and dev
[16:17] <alienBOB> And /sys
[16:17] <NoelleRousell> bind dev, mount proc
[16:17] <Ivshti> and some other things in order to up the net
[16:18] <Ivshti> resolv.conf
[16:18] <trhodes> i forget, i have a script that does this already :P
[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> I've used 'installpkg */*.t?z' for a computer of mine and it's running really well
[16:18] <trhodes> why not overlay /etc ?
[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> have to run setup in pkgtools, and check fstab and maybe reinstall lilo
[16:18] <alienBOB> Lilo does not matter
[16:18] <Ivshti> http://linvo.org/devel/scripts-infrastructure/linvo-chroot
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[16:20] <Ivshti> I wonder why I put $1 into a variable
[16:20] <Ivshti> the script works anyway
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB: thus the "maybe", and _in_ _my_ _case_ it actually mattered (empty disk)
[16:21] <NoelleRousell> i put $1 into....oh never mind
[16:21] <chipster> Ivshti: didn't you email us earlier about the DHOST/gtk+ issue?
[16:21] <trhodes> $1 == $ROOT is clearer
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[16:21] <Ivshti> yeah, I did
[16:21] <Ivshti> are you "Chip" from gsb?
[16:22] <Ivshti> great, I was just about to submit the bug
[16:22] <chipster> Ivshti: ahh :)  yeah.  stop by #gsb if you can.
[16:22] <acidchild> who here uses claws mail?
[16:22] <Ivshti> you use a $HOST variable,
[16:22] <Ivshti> but where do you define it?
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[16:24] <Ivshti> it has to equal i486-slackware-linux
[16:24] <NoelleRousell> alienBOB: so...i can install slackware64 to a partition from slackware32 and reboot into it?
[16:24] <Ivshti> in the older gtk+2 slackbuilds it isn't done that way
[16:24] <Ivshti> NoelleRousell: yes, but you can't chroot into it and compile software from it, I think
[16:25] <trhodes> even kexec  if you're feeling like a hotshot
[16:25] <NoelleRousell> yeah
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[16:25] <gar0t0> alienBOB: hey Eric, how are you ?
[16:26] <trhodes> does anyone still use UML (user mode linux) 'round here ?
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[16:27] <Ivshti> sorry for the offtopic, I can't join a channel because I have to be identified by the services, what does this mean
[16:27] <alienBOB> gar0t0: hi, fighting my vlc.SlackBuild, which I have somehow messed up... it no longer plays DVDs
[16:27] <trhodes> you need to /msg nickserv (i think)
[16:28] <trhodes> /msg nickserv identify (after you register)
[16:28] <dive> Ivshti, /msg nickserv help register
[16:28] <trhodes> yeah ^^ :)
[16:29] <Delahunt> i do not think you can installpkg to/from one installer to another
[16:29] <Ivshti> oh thanks, I registered
[16:29] <Delahunt> i tried it once, it was a disaster
[16:29] <Ivshti> Delahunt: you can, ROOT= and stuff
[16:29] <Ivshti> or --root=
[16:29] <Ivshti> but some packages won't work
[16:29] <NoelleRousell> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. ???
[16:29] <Delahunt> but root= is for putting stuff somewhere else, not for cross-architecture
[16:29] <NoelleRousell> i need decss?
[16:29] <Ivshti> Ohh yeah, I think you are right
[16:30] <Ivshti> you are still installing the packages into another root
[16:30] <Delahunt> i've tried it, i know it won't
[16:30] <dive> NoelleRousell, you need libdvdcss
[16:30] <Ivshti> but the doinst.sh may fail
[16:30] <Ivshti> Ok, what if
[16:30] <Ivshti> you do the standart procedure
[16:30] <Delahunt> yeah it will fail
[16:30] <Ivshti> then boot into the system
[16:30] <alienBOB> NoelleRousell: yes
[16:30] <Ivshti> and run all stuff in /var/scripts
[16:30] <NoelleRousell> compilizoring
[16:30] <Ivshti> in the 64 bit system
[16:30] <Delahunt> Ivshti, probably not a good idea
[16:30] <Ivshti> yeah, I guesws
[16:31] <Ivshti> yeah, I guess
[16:31] <NoelleRousell> alienBOB: works here
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[16:31] <alienBOB> NoelleRousell: what works
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[16:31] <NoelleRousell> dvd
[16:31] <alienBOB> O yes, here too. But not with the upcoming revision of my SlackBuild .. yet
[16:32] <NoelleRousell> i just put BLOW in...ill fast forward to pregnant CZJ for the real test
[16:32] <NoelleRousell> awww yea it works
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[16:34] <NoelleRousell> wait im retarded...wrong movie
[16:34] <gar0t0> alienBOB: heheh!! today I talk with one gay from new zealand
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[16:34] <NoelleRousell> this works really well....yet i never watch movies on my computer
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[16:34] <gar0t0> alienBOB: is very dificult to understand her english
[16:34] <gar0t0> ops
[16:34] <gar0t0> his english
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[16:35] <trhodes> NoelleRousell: traffic ?
[16:35] <NoelleRousell> ah yeah lol
[16:35] <trhodes> ;)
[16:36] <trhodes> i was confused
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[16:36] <NoelleRousell> that was weird, i must have clicke dsomething....
[16:36] <NoelleRousell> it said something about pacific encodings and had some logo...
[16:37] <NoelleRousell> must have been a dcss fail or something
[16:37] <NoelleRousell> cuz it stopped after that heh
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[16:37] <jkwood> gar0t0: I think you meant "guy" ?
[16:38] <NoelleRousell> he sounded quite proud of talking to a gay
[16:38] <trhodes> haha, i didn't want to ask details
[16:38] <NoelleRousell> lol
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[16:38] <NoelleRousell> gay newzoolander?
[16:38] <jkwood> And yes, people from New Zealand can be difficult to understand.  Very thick accent.
[16:39] <NoelleRousell> try the ones from new zealands neighbor, mexico
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[16:40] <Buggaboo> hey
[16:40] <NoelleRousell> hey boo
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[16:41] <gar0t0> jkwood: ahaha sorry!! its a guy
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[16:41] <jkwood> gar0t0: No problem.  Slight spelling error, that's all. =)
[16:42] <NoelleRousell>  /j #ubuntu && hey gays! && *guys
[16:42] <trhodes> yeah, the error even makes sense, it just makes immature people like me giggle
[16:42] <gar0t0> NoelleRousell: lol!! I'm not gay man :)
[16:42] <trhodes> gays are guys
[16:43] <trhodes> guys are not necessarily gays
[16:43] <gar0t0> depends of your point
[16:43] <trhodes> ;)
[16:43] <sahk0> amarok 2.3 released
[16:43] <gar0t0> trhodes: yes! guys are not necessarily gays
[16:43] <NoelleRousell> im interested in  puppies and long walks on the beach
[16:43] <Ivshti> this always happens to me
[16:43] <sahk0> wonder if that needs 4.4.x too
[16:44] <Ivshti> I join the slackware channel
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[16:44] <Ivshti> and just after 5-10 minutes a discussion about gays starts
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[16:44] <Ivshti> usually homophobic
[16:44] <trhodes> from a typo
[16:44] <gar0t0> Ivshti: on all slackware channels here, are gays!!
[16:44] <Ivshti> probably guys :P
[16:44] <NoelleRousell> this is freenode after all
[16:44] <jkwood> Ivshti: In all fairness, it was started over a typo.
[16:44] <jkwood> That too.
[16:45] <trhodes> and I don't see where it got homophobic
[16:45] <Ivshti> I don't mean anything
[16:45] <Ivshti> I just say that it happens
[16:45] <Ivshti> luck...
[16:45] <trhodes> yeah
[16:45] <valsiterb> where can i set up the default keyboard layout for xfce?
[16:45] <jkwood> Also, we're helping gar0t0 with his English.  He's going to become fluent, then marry a rich American woman.
[16:45] <trhodes> ##C for weirder stuff :)
[16:45] <Ivshti> and I say "typically" because last 2 times it was homophobic
[16:46] <trhodes> gotcha ;)
[16:46] <sahk0> it doesnt \o/ , or so it says
[16:47] <gar0t0> Ivshti: i'm not homophobic, my sister is gay
[16:48] <trhodes> is valsiterb's issue an X thing or a DE thing ?
[16:48] <NoelleRousell> my hamsters are gay
[16:48] <NoelleRousell> like full on flaming
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[16:49] <spider1010> ##slackware-offtopic for this crap
[16:49] <NoelleRousell> correct answer was "pics or gtfo"
[16:50] <valsiterb> trhodes: i think, it's X
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[16:50] <gar0t0> NoelleRousell: /b/tard
[16:50] <NoelleRousell> no u
[16:50] <gar0t0> hahaha
[16:50] <Camarade_Tux> wasn't looking but yeah, ##slackware-offtopic needs more people, we've made a device that will eat the brain of all people connected (that part works really well) and give money to the ops (that part doesn't work yet =/ )
[16:51] <gar0t0> ok!! Sorry, I'm type when I "say" gay"" I try to "say" guy
[16:51] <NoelleRousell> i definately dont use 4chan....
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[16:51] <gar0t0> NoelleRousell: ok!! but you know 4chan, and know about /b/tard
[16:51] <gar0t0> :D
[16:51] <gar0t0> Camarade_Tux: hey!! :)
[16:51] <NoelleRousell> barely
[16:52] <trhodes> pix or gtfo did make me lol
[16:52] Action: Camarade_Tux waves back at gar0t0 =) 
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[16:52] <Ivshti> gar0t0: of course, I haven't said anything
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[16:52] <Ivshti> I know a lot of gay people and I'm tolerant
[16:52] <trhodes> setxkbmap
[16:52] <Ivshti> anyway, someone tried X with udev hotplugging? :P
[16:53] <Ivshti> it doesn't use xorg.conf but it doesn't use HAL either
[16:53] <Ivshti> it uses udev for hotplugging
[16:53] <Buggaboo> check the fdi files.
[16:53] <Skywise> i may know some gay people, but i don't care, so i don't know
[16:53] <trhodes> valsiterb: man setxkbmap #if you didn't see it already
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[16:53] <Buggaboo> find /etc -name fdi
[16:53] <Camarade_Tux> and it's beta :-)
[16:54] <trhodes> /etc/fdisk
[16:54] <trhodes> j/k, ignore me
[16:54] <valsiterb> trhodes: thakns
[16:54] <Camarade_Tux> actually, if  you want to find .fdi files, you'll want -name '*.fdi'
[16:55] <NoelleRousell> unless they are .fDi
[16:55] <Ivshti> well, I think there is a case-insensitive option
[16:55] <NoelleRousell> -iname ?
[16:55] <Ivshti> its -i in grep but I don't have an idea for find
[16:55] <Ivshti> oh yeah
[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> iname, yeah, but they're .fdi, not anything else (bet they wouldn't be found anyway)
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[16:57] <Ivshti> and still... someone interested in HAL deprecation?
[16:57] <NoelleRousell> no
[16:57] <trhodes> yes, but I don't know anything about it
[16:58] <Ivshti> it's replaced with 2 very slim daemons
[16:58] <Ivshti> devkit-disks and devkit-power
[16:58] <Camarade_Tux> it's in next X, which almost nobody's running
[16:58] <trhodes> ahh ok
[16:58] <Ivshti> nope, there is a patch
[16:58] <NoelleRousell> i thought hal was the hal to end all hals
[16:58] <Ivshti> I built a package from the arch PKGBUILD
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[16:58] <NoelleRousell> what the hal happened
[16:58] <trhodes> hell, i never learned hal
[16:58] <Ivshti> it's complex and monolithic
[16:58] <trhodes> i still mess with xorg.conf
[16:59] <Ivshti> ohhh no :(
[16:59] <Ivshti> I hate this file
[16:59] <Ivshti> anyway, the new system is awesome!
[16:59] <trhodes> well, i get what I need working that way
[16:59] <trhodes> sounds like it
[16:59] <pprkut> Ivshti: actually, it's upower and udisks ;)
[16:59] <Ivshti> most of the stuff is replaced directly like udev
[16:59] <NoelleRousell> bluez or something?!
[16:59] <Ivshti> yes, from a month it is
[16:59] <Ivshti> oh no..from december
[17:00] <Ivshti> still, it's awesome
[17:00] <Ivshti> I simply compiled the thing, compiled gnome-session on top of it
[17:00] <Ivshti> and I got gnome shutdown/reboot working
[17:00] <Ivshti> no luck with HAL and policykit
[17:01] <trhodes> is there a way to do one time passwords in slack without PAM ?
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[17:01] <Ivshti> because I use initng, HAL had a strange behavior
[17:01] <trhodes> since you reminded me (gsb)
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[17:01] <Ivshti> sometimes HAL shutdown worked, sometimes no
[17:01] <Ivshti> it killed me
[17:01] <Ivshti> because initng is a dependency based init system
[17:01] <Ivshti> and it always starts daemons in a different order
[17:01] <trhodes> cool
[17:01] <Ivshti> depending on you hardware's mood
[17:01] <trhodes> oh, then not so cool
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[17:02] <Ivshti> no, all the stuff work perfectly
[17:02] <Ivshti> and it's incredibly fast
[17:02] <trhodes> race conditions are no fun
[17:02] <Ivshti> but HAL wanted dbus to settle
[17:02] <Ivshti> or something
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[17:02] <Ivshti> or udev to settle maybe
[17:02] <Ivshti> it worked but the connection with dbus didn't
[17:02] <Ivshti> I mean
[17:02] <Ivshti> it worked all-right
[17:02] <Ivshti> but sometimes shutdown in gnome worked, sometimes it didn't
[17:03] <Ivshti> depending on your hardware and the order initng starts stuff
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[17:03] <Ivshti> althought usually HAL worked
[17:03] <Ivshti> incredibly confusing
[17:03] <Ivshti> there are some dbus services and maybe HAL must wait for something to settle
[17:03] <trhodes> i've thought about playing around with different inits, but haven't gotten around to it
[17:03] <Ivshti> when I used a init with a fixed sequence it worked all right
[17:03] <Reticenti> I just compiled cmake 2.8, slack13 has 2.6 by default, should I upgradepkg or installpkg to upgrade cmake?
[17:04] <trhodes> upgradepkg
[17:04] <trhodes> the version number is ignored
[17:04] <Reticenti> ah, ok
[17:06] <NoelleRousell> Ivshti: the power group controls that on slackware
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[17:06] <gar0t0> cya ppl :)
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[17:06] <Buggaboo> backup all fdi: find /etc -name *.fdi | xargs tar cvfz /tmp/fdi.backup.tar.gz
[17:06] <Skywise> i read that
[17:07] <trhodes> seeya later gar0t0
[17:07] <trhodes> hey, me too
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[17:07] <Ivshti> NoelleRousell: yes, I was there, still nothing
[17:08] <Ivshti> on an absolutely the same system, shutdown sometimes works, and on the next reboot it doesn't
[17:08] <Ivshti> not in a specific order but..
[17:08] <Ivshti> and when I use a fixed sequence init it's alright
[17:09] <trhodes> Ivshti: have you seen an article about using make + init on IBM developerworks ?
[17:10] <trhodes> that is, make for dependency resolution on startup
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[17:12] <trhodes> Ivshti: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html
[17:14] <trhodes> (that's old, however)
[17:15] <Ivshti> yes, it's great
[17:15] <Ivshti> but fragile
[17:15] <Ivshti> I also had to make other changes
[17:15] <Ivshti> removing -nodaemon from dbus
[17:15] <Ivshti> and making it wait to finish
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[17:15] <trhodes> hmm
[17:15] <Ivshti> when dbus with nodaemon finishes, it means that it has already started dbus
[17:16] <Ivshti> when the dbus process with -nodaemon starts,
[17:16] <Ivshti> it starts only the process
[17:16] <trhodes> um, get the pid from /proc ?
[17:16] <Ivshti> it's better to run dbus without -nodaemon and wait it to finish and then declare it started
[17:16] <trhodes> or something ?
[17:16] <Ivshti> yes, it uses the PID to check when it runs
[17:16] <trhodes> yeah that's simple
[17:16] <Ivshti> but it considers it started when "dbus" command finishes
[17:17] <Ivshti> then it forks the daemon into a separate process
[17:17] <trhodes> and that's what you want to depend on ?
[17:17] <trhodes> are there any problems from --nodaemon ?
[17:18] <trhodes> (i haven't gotten my hands dirty with this kind of stuff, but it sounds fun :) )
[17:19] <Ivshti> yes
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[17:19] <Ivshti> dependent things start exactly after this
[17:19] <Ivshti> after the process is started
[17:19] <Q_> hello guys
[17:19] <Ivshti> but it takes a fraction of the second to declare dbus for started
[17:20] <Ivshti> and dependent stuff finds it non-running
[17:20] <Q_> in slackware 13 where is the ifcfg script ?
[17:20] <Ivshti> it must wait for the process without --nodaemon to fork
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[17:20] <trhodes> hmm, i have to think about this a little :)
[17:21] <v6CommO> anyone able to suggest a good Color Laser Jet w/ Flatbed Scanner
[17:21] <v6CommO> ?
[17:21] <Q_> is there a way to bind a module to a specific ethernet interface ?
[17:21] <The-Croupier> Q_: what does which ifconfig
[17:21] <The-Croupier> give you
[17:22] <Skywise> you know the answer
[17:22] <ananke> Q_: udev rename rules
[17:22] <Skywise> you could if udev would let you, but just go ahead and try to fix it
[17:23] <Q_> The-Croupier, only lo i have for now
[17:23] <Q_> ananke, what ?
[17:23] <trhodes> Ivshti: are you using any startup optimization tools (like something to visualize startup) ?
[17:23] <Skywise> when the module is loaded, the kernel calls udev and that assigns the name
[17:24] <Buggaboo> there must be a site out there that's about booting slack in 5 seconds or something...
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[17:24] <Q_> oh so udev binds eth0 to forcedeth for example
[17:24] <trhodes> haha, then it wouldn't be slack ;)
[17:25] <Skywise> you only need a time machine
[17:25] <Camarade_Tux> made my slack start in 5-6 seconds
[17:25] <Buggaboo> if I didn't use ext2 for my /tmp, mine would boot in 30s
[17:25] <Camarade_Tux> and on less crappy hardware the kernel took several seconds to start, it would have taken less than 5s
[17:25] <Reticenti> I'm trying to find the slackbuild source for libxcb, but it's not in the slack mirrors anymore, does anyone know why?
[17:26] <trhodes> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules on my 12.2 machine sets the interface names
[17:26] <Skywise> see how easy udev is to configure
[17:26] <Buggaboo> google -> filetype:SlackBuild libxcb
[17:26] <Camarade_Tux> and it's not worth it, you have several things to tweak and it makes upgrades more painful
[17:26] <Camarade_Tux> s/more //
[17:26] <Skywise> that was the first thing i thought of
[17:27] <Buggaboo> the freebios project is quite interesting for boot-speed optimizing.
[17:27] <trhodes> Camarade_Tux: nice :) what all were you running ?
[17:27] <trhodes> my laptop takes a minute to get to login :/
[17:27] <Skywise> but how much is booting part of the normal day?
[17:27] <Skywise> i only boot my machines when i'm changing hardware
[17:28] <Camarade_Tux> and err, I think libxcb is in x/
[17:28] <trhodes> well, not at all for me (that's why I kid about ie being not slack to boot fast ) except on portable machines
[17:28] <Q_> ok i m going to try this one
[17:28] <trhodes> up 191 days here :)
[17:28] <Camarade_Tux> for tools, see bootchart and bootgraph
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[17:29] <trhodes> oh thanks, i googled that (evidently poorly) before :)
[17:29] <Skywise>   5:25pm  up 372 days,  4:42,  1 user,  load average: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01
[17:29] <Reticenti> Camarade_Tux: yeah, but it's not there on the mirrors
[17:30] <Q_> btw is there anyway to know which motherboard is inside a desktop ?
[17:30] <Q_> something like lspci or something ?
[17:30] <trhodes> you can tell what desktop is inside a motherboard :)
[17:30] <Reticenti> Camarade_Tux: why would xcb be installed on slack, but not be in the source mirrors?
[17:31] <Camarade_Tux> http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-current/source/x/x11/modularize
[17:31] <Skywise> mirrors are not always complete
[17:31] <Skywise> try another
[17:31] <ananke> Q_: dmidecode is better
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[17:31] <Camarade_Tux> http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-current/source/x/x11/modularize (repost on purpose)
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[17:32] <Q_> ananke, can i look in proc ?
[17:32] <ananke> Q_: as to your original question, it's the very opposite. by loading drivers new network interfaces are created. not vice versa.
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[17:32] <ananke> Q_: why would you look in proc when you have dmidecode?
[17:33] <trhodes> you can't expect to easily get a mobo model number from software
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[17:33] <trhodes> if that's what you're wanting
[17:33] <trhodes> dmidecode is close :)
[17:33] <Q_> ananke just for curiosity
[17:33] <Skywise> sure you can get it from bios and i2c
[17:33] <ananke> Q_: dmidecode. use it.
[17:33] <NoelleRousell> how did you make slackware start in 5 seconds
[17:34] <Camarade_Tux> by breaking a few things
[17:34] <Camarade_Tux> which is why I'm not giving too many details
[17:34] <Skywise> thats how you make omletes too
[17:34] <NoelleRousell> putting a bunch of &s in the rc.d scripts?
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[17:35] <NoelleRousell> when god gives you eggs, make eggonaide
[17:35] <Camarade_Tux> skipped a few things (fc-cache, ldconfig [installpkg runs it if needed] [but that's only ok if you only use installpkg]), hwclock too
[17:35] <Camarade_Tux> and yes, added a few &
[17:35] <NoelleRousell> um...installpkg runs at boot?
[17:35] <NoelleRousell> oh, neer mind lol
[17:35] <ananke> slackware is the only distro i can think of that runs ldconfig on bootup. nuts
[17:35] <Reticenti> I need libxcb 1.5, but 13 has 1.4, -current, however, has 1.5, do you think it would be relatively safe to install the -current version?
[17:36] <ananke> Reticenti: generally speaking, no. don't mix and match current with stable
[17:36] <trhodes> Skywise: what's i2c ?
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[17:36] <Reticenti> ananke: if it does break something, can I reinstall 13s package and be back in the clear?
[17:37] <NoelleRousell> Reticenti: you'd removepkg and then installpkg...or maybe upgradepkg would do the same thing
[17:37] <ananke> Reticenti: likely
[17:37] <Skywise> its a communications bus used to get diagnostic info from the mb
[17:37] <trhodes> ok, thanks, google was not my friend there
[17:38] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: safety and reliability first
[17:38] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: fc-cache takes aegs
[17:38] <Camarade_Tux> ages*
[17:38] <NoelleRousell> you'd be suprised how forgiving slackware is
[17:38] <Camarade_Tux> ldconfig is not the most time-consuming thing that runs at boot, far from it
[17:38] <Skywise> cli don't need fonts
[17:39] <ananke> Camarade_Tux: if safety and reliablity first, then why not run forced fsck on every boot?
[17:39] <mancha> rebuilding font cachaes, mime databases, all that stuff
[17:39] <NoelleRousell> depmod
[17:39] <trhodes> updatedb whiel you're at it ;)
[17:39] <trhodes> *while
[17:39] <NoelleRousell> haha
[17:39] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: because I use xfs? xD
[17:39] <mancha> i hack the crap out of stock rc files, when i turn on my computer i want the OS usable that century
[17:39] <ananke> yeah, updatedb too :)
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[17:40] <Skywise> i run updatedb in cron, but that would help much on a portable
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[17:40] <NoelleRousell> find / -exec md5sum '{}' >> /tmp/myBackup \;  at boot
[17:40] <ananke> personally, i've never found ldconfig on bootup to be beneficial. ever. not a single instance where it would have saved me from breakage
[17:40] <mancha> on this fedora has really shown its stuff...they've made so much shit asynchrnonous that fedora's boot process is done before you press the on button
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[17:41] <jkwood> mancha: Yes, but when it gets done, you're running Fedora.
[17:41] <NoelleRousell> they had to do that because of all the crashes
[17:41] <NoelleRousell>  17:41:02 up 3 days, 23:58,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[17:41] <ananke> NoelleRousell: what crashes?
[17:41] <NoelleRousell> fedora?
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[17:42] <NoelleRousell> all the memory leaks caused by obsessive compulsive patching
[17:42] <ananke> NoelleRousell: i assume you're attempting to make a joke, it's just not very funny
[17:42] <trhodes> they're not as bad as debian about the OCD patching
[17:42] <Skywise> well now you've done it
[17:42] <NoelleRousell> ananke: should i respond to that?
[17:42] <Skywise> telling an unfunny joke is over the line
[17:42] <Buggaboo> ln -s `which updatedb` /etc/cron.weekly/
[17:42] <ananke> thrice`: they patch it so it can be called debian. they have to meddle with everything
[17:42] <mancha> not sure why you dislike the patching, most of that gets reverted upstream, ie thats why the apps improve
[17:43] <trhodes> gotcha ;)
[17:43] <trhodes> nickcollision
[17:43] <NoelleRousell> haha
[17:43] <ananke> oops, i meant trhodes
[17:43] <NoelleRousell> without debian how would we know what DOESNT work?
[17:43] Action: ananke blames the tab key
[17:43] <NoelleRousell> how would we know not to let 12 year olds submit patches for openssl?
[17:44] <mancha> a few high profile distro-level patches (debian's openssl blunder) have given them a bad name. i'd say 99 out of 100 of debian's patches are good. though i do think they're anal about patching manpages for grammar  :)
[17:44] <Buggaboo> when flash drives take a nose-dive in price, I'll buy five and do a raid5.
[17:44] <Buggaboo> loading apps we be like in a dream...
[17:44] <trhodes> and the debian patch wasn't so simple
[17:44] <trhodes> upstream ignore the patch IIRC
[17:44] <trhodes> *ignored
[17:44] <NoelleRousell> its obvious that the slackware dev team is just too darned lazy to patch everything for no reason
[17:45] <trhodes> instead of saying "hey that sucks"
[17:45] <mancha> i think they learned their lesson....a good geek hacker does not a cryptologist make
[17:45] <trhodes> haha that too
[17:45] <jkwood> NoelleRousell: Not lazy. Just aware of their limitations.
[17:45] <Skywise> raid5 on usb drives would be hilarious
[17:45] <NoelleRousell> if thats all they learned....they didnt learn anything
[17:46] <trhodes> i found a floppy raid somewhere on the 'net :P
[17:46] <v4nelle> pprkut, when i try to installpkg virtualbox-kernel from your slackbuilds,i get this:WARNING: -e needs -E or -FPackage virtualbox-kernel-3.1.4_2.6.33_smp-i486-1_SBo.tgz installed. .what does it means?
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[17:46] <Skywise> sumpins brokeded
[17:46] <Buggaboo> pfff, why virtualbox when kvm already works?
[17:47] <Buggaboo> unless kvm has magic opengl support...
[17:47] <Buggaboo> ehm, vbox even.
[17:47] <NoelleRousell> v4nelle: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.1.4/VirtualBox-3.1.4-57640-Linux_x86.run   just sh it
[17:47] <NoelleRousell> and to uninstall sh VirtualBox-3.1.4-57640-Linux_x86.run -- uninstall
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[17:48] <NoelleRousell> its all in /opt/ anyway, so you can just rm /opt/Virtualbox ...then you only have a few modules hanging out in /lib/modules/  which harm nothing
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[17:48] <Camarade_Tux> and in /etc/rc.d
[17:48] <NoelleRousell> it modifies rc.local
[17:48] <Camarade_Tux> (see rc.local)
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[17:50] <NoelleRousell> one of the main reasons to use slackware is the fact that you can use the vanilla upstream stuff no problem....i cant imagine sh VirtualBox-3.1.4-57640-Linux_x86.run working on ubuntu
[17:50] <jkwood> Buggaboo: Virtualbox is more intuitive.
[17:50] <pprkut> v4nelle: from slackbuilds.org or github?
[17:50] <v4nelle> pprkut, github
[17:51] <valsiterb> where can i set the default keyboard layout?
[17:51] <pprkut> 13.0 or -current?
[17:51] <v4nelle> current
[17:51] <pprkut> v4nelle: ^^
[17:51] <pprkut> ok
[17:51] <Buggaboo> intuitive?
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[17:51] <Buggaboo> what does that entail?
[17:51] <v4nelle> there is a problem with this warning or not?
[17:51] <trhodes> it has a GUI :/
[17:52] <pprkut> v4nelle: trying to reproduce right now
[17:52] <v4nelle> thx :)
[17:52] <NoelleRousell> it means the kernel modules are the wrong version?
[17:53] <Ivshti> well, I guess if you are running 2.6.33
[17:53] <Ivshti> it misses a autoconf.h file
[17:53] <Ivshti> which compiling modules in this kind of software depends on
[17:53] <NoelleRousell> has anyone had problems compiling things when you have a local version string
[17:53] <NoelleRousell> like -smp
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[17:54] <pprkut> v4nelle: no, not an issue. You can savely ignore that error. I will have a look at this nonetheless
[17:54] <valsiterb> autoconf.h is moved to generated (generated/autoconf.h)
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[17:55] <Ivshti> yes,, I think a symlink will fix it
[17:55] <v4nelle> ok pprkut .....thx again
[17:55] <pprkut> np :)
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[17:58] <valsiterb> i have problem with probing wireless module, it says "Unknown symbol wireless_send_event"
[17:59] <Camarade_Tux> running which kernel?
[17:59] <valsiterb> 2.6.33
[17:59] <Camarade_Tux> installed how?
[18:00] <valsiterb> compiled
[18:00] <Camarade_Tux> how did you invoke make, how did you install? where's the configuration from?
[18:00] <NoelleRousell> so upgrade or recompile the software giving the error
[18:01] <valsiterb> i have lastest broadcom sta driver
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[18:03] <Camarade_Tux> valsiterb: which card? I bet you don't need them
[18:03] <valsiterb> bcm4312
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[18:04] <Camarade_Tux> you don't need the sta driver, the driver has been merged in the kernel in the regular b43 driver (if I'm not mistaken on the name)
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[18:04] <Camarade_Tux> well, not guaranteeing it but you shouldn't need it, wasn't working without? what does dmesg say?
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[18:05] <valsiterb>  wl: Unknown symbol wireless_send_event
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[18:05] <Camarade_Tux> not when modprobing the sta driver
[18:05] <Camarade_Tux> remove it from your system from now
[18:05] <Camarade_Tux> s/from/for/
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[18:08] <NoelleRousell> if you upgrade to 2.6.33 on your own, shouldnt you fix the problems it causes on your own?  like...what did you expect
[18:08] <Camarade_Tux> valsiterb: also, I think the sta driver now comes as a .o or .ko which is completely unusable
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[18:09] <thrice`> NoelleRousell, that's a shitty attitude.  alot of people compile their own kernels, it's pretty harmless
[18:10] <valsiterb> ok, wl removed
[18:10] <NoelleRousell> i took one stab at 2.6.33
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[18:10] <NoelleRousell> and reverted until everything else is ready for it
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[18:10] <Ivshti> it's not harmless
[18:10] <Ivshti> but what's the problem
[18:10] <Ivshti> I might help
[18:11] <Camarade_Tux> valsiterb: your card isn't found? how do you check?
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[18:11] <Camarade_Tux> iirc this card isn't supported on slackware13's kernel so that solves the question of wether or not upgrading is appropriate
[18:11] <Ivshti> why don't you install the official package from slackware-current if you want a new kernel
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[18:12] <NoelleRousell> Ivshti: would have the same problem
[18:12] <Camarade_Tux> -current has *MUCH* more than a new kernel
[18:12] <antiwire> that's not exactly good advice
[18:12] <Ivshti> only the kernel
[18:12] <antiwire> that's not a good idea.
[18:12] <Ivshti> why?
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[18:12] <Ivshti> I think the problem is if you install a old kernel on a slackware-current
[18:12] <Camarade_Tux> NoelleRousell: no, the broadcom(m) sta driver is an external kernel module, but 2.6.33 shouldn't need it
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[18:12] <Ivshti> since slackware-current's udev depends on some config options
[18:12] <Ivshti> ohh you are right
[18:12] <Ivshti> yes
[18:12] <antiwire> current has a different glibc
[18:13] <Camarade_Tux> gcc upgrade for example
[18:13] <antiwire> ....
[18:13] <Ivshti> and sysfs_deprecated
[18:13] <valsiterb> i like optimized kernel
[18:13] <Ivshti> it's disabled in current and that requires new coretools
[18:13] <Ivshti> if I'm not mistaken
[18:13] <Camarade_Tux> taking the .config of -current and using it to compile your own kernel wouldn't be a problem though
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[18:13] <Ivshti> I think it would
[18:13] <Ivshti> sysfs_deprecated is enabled
[18:13] <Ivshti> and that means the old coretools might have a problem
[18:13] <thrice`> "coretools" meaning?
[18:14] <Ivshti> coreutils
[18:14] <NoelleRousell> i have a 1.8mb kernel and 161 modules
[18:14] <Camarade_Tux> well, it's a new kernel, it's an upgrade, you can't be sure and you have to check and be prepared to fix things but it's mostly safe
[18:14] <Ivshti> my bad
[18:14] <valsiterb> so, driver for bcm4312 is included in new kernel?
[18:14] <thrice`> what does coreutils have to do with the kernel?
[18:14] <Ivshti> well, config_sysfs_deprecated
[18:14] <antiwire> I must be on ignore
[18:14] <thrice`> Ivshti, meaning?
[18:14] <NoelleRousell> thrice`: is that a serious question?
[18:14] <Ivshti> you know about /sys
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[18:15] <Ivshti> when you disable config_sysfs_deprecated, it's using a new "format" of /sys
[18:15] <Ivshti> new way of organization and stuff
[18:15] <Camarade_Tux> valsiterb: afaict, yes
[18:15] <thrice`> Ivshti, do you know what coreutils actually is?
[18:15] <Ivshti> yes
[18:15] <Ivshti> a bunch of tools
[18:15] <Ivshti> some of them use information from /sys
[18:15] <Ivshti> if I'm not mistaken
[18:15] <NoelleRousell> Ivshti: prepare to be SCHOOLED!1
[18:15] <Skywise> i was gonna say leprechauns
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[18:15] <The-Croupier> a core bunch  of tools ;)
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[18:15] <Ivshti> wait
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[18:16] <Ivshti> check out the changelog
[18:16] <Ivshti> in the same bunch of updates that updates udev
[18:16] <syntax_error> hello
[18:16] <Ivshti> which requires disabled config_sysfs_deprecated
[18:16] <Ivshti> source: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README
[18:17] <Ivshti> there is an update of coreutils, and it's not just a coincidence
[18:17] <Camarade_Tux> valsiterb: actually, 4312 has probably been working since 2.6.30 or 2.6.31 (I can find a message from Aug 27 but I'm not sure it hasn't hit the main kernel tree quite later than that)
[18:17] <Ivshti> google it
[18:17] <Ivshti> module-init-tools also need an update
[18:17] <NoelleRousell> wow...sounds like a great time to compile my own 2.6.33
[18:17] <Skywise> i will wait until they're finished updating and then upgrade
[18:18] <thrice`> ok, so you're saying that one cannot run 2.6.33 on coreutils 7.x and module-init-tools 3.5 ?
[18:18] <NoelleRousell> and expect you all to get it working for me
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[18:18] <Skywise> i'm sure that will happen no problem
[18:18] <Ivshti> no, you can't run old module-init-tools on a kernel with config_sysfs_deprecated
[18:18] <Ivshti> if this option is enabled those things will work
[18:18] <Camarade_Tux> I don't see why we wouldn't help if you have an actual reason to run a newer kernel (which is the case here)
[18:19] <valsiterb> i have a little list of issues: apache can't listen on ports; mysql returns error 2002; i don't know, how to set default keymap for X server
[18:19] <Ivshti> I'm not sure about coreutils but I am about module-init-tools
[18:19] <NoelleRousell> Ivshti: just watch me
[18:19] <Skywise> and a small non refundable deposit
[18:19] <Ivshti> http://www.slax.org/forum.php?action=view&parentID=57778
[18:19] <Ivshti> check this thread
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[18:20] <Gartral> slackware wont install into a vm
[18:20] <Camarade_Tux> valsiterb: default keymap for X should be detailled in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT in the slackware installer (the cd, dvd or whatever you used), look for "hal"
[18:20] <NoelleRousell> you expect me to do research before i upgrade my kernel?!
[18:20] <Skywise> no, that might deter you
[18:21] <NoelleRousell> full steam ahead then, ill be back with a buttload of errors for you guys
[18:21] <Ivshti> you can recompile it, but don't disable config_sysfs_deprecated
[18:21] <valsiterb> Camarade_Tux: i've used PXE boot with custom kernel
[18:21] <Camarade_Tux> valsiterb: well, this document is at the root of the slackware data
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[18:22] <valsiterb> Camarade_Tux: thanks, i'm new to Slackware... and this issues...
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[18:22] <Ivshti> thrice`: if you think I'm wrong google for "config_sysfs_deprecated module-init-tools"
[18:22] <Ivshti> and check some forum threads
[18:23] <Ivshti> I quote the forth result "Something in the latest module-init-tools seems to be broken. ..... Turns out CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED needs to be turned off in the kernel. .."
[18:23] <Gartral> Killed Killed Killed @slackware:/# killed Warning: pkgtoold are unstable with tar > 1.13 you should provide a "tar-1.13" in your $PATH. Killed Killed
[18:23] <Skywise> watch out!
[18:23] <sahk0> Slackware is brutal
[18:23] <Skywise> its gonna blow!
[18:24] <Gartral> i didnt relise you*could* define a $PATH before you installed
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[18:24] <NoelleRousell> Ivshti: if i thought you were wrong i definately wouldnt listen to what you have to say!
[18:25] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: how did you manage that
[18:26] <Ivshti> not you, I'm talking about thrice
[18:26] <Ivshti> he was very surprised by this thing
[18:26] <Ivshti> it is not logical really
[18:26] <Ivshti> but it's some stuff in the /sys directory
[18:26] <NoelleRousell> Ivshti: oh snap you gonna get banned
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[18:27] <Gartral> trying to install slackware, went through, setup my partitions, made a /boot, /, /home, and /fathead, went through and setup networking and all that and went too install.. it was going good till it hit that package
[18:27] <Ivshti> and I was wrong...coreutils doesn't depend on sysfs... module-init-tools does
[18:27] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: what version
[18:27] <Camarade_Tux> Gartral: which package? what did you do to $PATH and to tar?
[18:27] <mancha> "that package" ?
[18:27] <mancha> and how fat is your head?
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[18:28] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: did you use a annointed iso?
[18:28] <thrice`> Ivshti, no, I didn't think you were wrong - just not familiar that coreutils 8 fixed such things
[18:28] <Gartral> Camarade_Tux: NoelleRousell mancha slack 13, never touched $PATH, tar and /fathead is a backup dump partition
[18:29] <Ivshti> some utilities from it might use /sys but I'm not sure... I'm sure for module-init-tools, however, I had personal experiences with it
[18:29] <thrice`> Ivshti, also, googling "config_sysfs_deprecated module-init-tools" does not say ANYTHING about what you claim
[18:29] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: network install?
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[18:29] <Camarade_Tux> Gartral: what is the last thing you did?
[18:29] <Ivshti> the fourth result..and the last one I guess
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[18:30] <thrice`> the fourth result is an rpmfind page
[18:30] <Gartral> Camarade_Tux: no, this is the official dvd iso, and the very last thing i did before attempting install was finalise my partitions
[18:30] <Ivshti> sorry, the second one
[18:30] <Ivshti> I quote: "Something in the latest module-init-tools seems to be broken. ..... Turns out CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED needs to be turned off in the kernel. ..."
[18:30] <Gartral> NoelleRousell: no, i never trust a production environment to netinstalling
[18:30] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: did you verify the iso?
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[18:30] <Camarade_Tux> Gartral: run: which tar-1.13
[18:30] <Ivshti> ohh, that's the opposite result... new module-init-tools and old kernel
[18:30] <Camarade_Tux> what does it say?
[18:31] <Gartral> NoelleRousell: doing so again now, first time iot came back clean
[18:31] <NoelleRousell> well then
[18:31] <thrice`> Ivshti, exactly
[18:31] <v4nelle> pprkut, its works...no problem
[18:31] <Gartral> Camarade_Tux: how? once im in setup i didnt see a clean exit
[18:31] <thrice`> m-i-t 3.5 should work just fine with newer kernels, regardless of the sysfs stuff
[18:32] <Gartral> Camarade_Tux: /bin/tar-1.13
[18:32] <Camarade_Tux> Gartral: ah, think I misunderstood: you are *currently* installing?
[18:32] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: thats a pretty good error....have you tried doing it again?  did you manually mount any partitions or anything?
[18:33] <Ivshti> 3.11.1 works on my system
[18:33] <Ivshti> the old one didn't work
[18:33] <Gartral> NoelleRousell: not deliberatly or too my knowledge, but im not 100% sure on how cfdisk handles new partitions
[18:33] <Ivshti> and also, busybox doesn't work
[18:33] <Ivshti> sorry for the inaccuracy, I don't know which version is "the old one"
[18:33] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: why not just reboot and run setup...then do a full install
[18:33] <Ivshti> but it didn't work
[18:34] <Ivshti> said "could not assign memory" or something like this
[18:34] <Ivshti> busybox also had similar issues until I updated it
[18:34] <Gartral> NoelleRousell: that's what i did x.x im starting with a blank ssd
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> well, I'm really tired now and can't really think properly but rebooting and restarting the install might work and should avoid "stupid" errors
[18:35] <Gartral> but i tried a full install the first time >.>
[18:35] <Gartral> ok, trying this again
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[18:37] <Gartral> on to e
[18:37] <Gartral> f
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[18:39] <Camarade_Tux> if you do something wrong during setup, quite often, it's easier (and safer) to just reboot and restart setup
[18:39] <Gartral> ok, well.. i think i bumped the tower last time, everything is flying smoothly
[18:39] <Camarade_Tux> typos or anything
[18:39] <Camarade_Tux>  :-)
[18:40] <Gartral> i found the partitions and did a check format on each one.. all came back clean
[18:40] <Gartral> o
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[18:41] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: told ya!
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[18:44] <botnet> oh hai
[18:44] <NoelleRousell> ?
[18:44] <botnet> is it normal for unmuted microphone to output everything to the speakers?
[18:45] <Gartral> muted and not listening are seperated states: yes
[18:45] <NoelleRousell> line in or mic?
[18:45] <botnet> mic
[18:45] <Gartral> pulse is odd
[18:45] <botnet> i mean, if i want to record something and not have it also play through the speakers at the same time
[18:45] <botnet> im not using pulse
[18:46] <Ivshti> I hope we avoid the pulseaudio flamewar
[18:46] <botnet> or, be able to record, but when not recording, not have my mic's output be my speakers
[18:46] <NoelleRousell> botnet: something in alsamixer will change that behavior....maybe...gotta press tab to get to all the pages
[18:46] <Gartral> ohh.. figure out if your soude engine/system allows/has a setting to disable passthru to speakers
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[18:47] <Gartral> i like pulse.. what i dont like are people who fail to comprehend how to deploy pulse
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[18:47] <botnet> well i have two mics on this laptop, but i think they are lnked to the same device, and both input sources in alsamixer are set to mic, but im not seeing anything about mic output
[18:48] <botnet> Gartral: pulse is okay, i set it up a week or so ago to see if i could get my subwoofer to work (it didnt) then went back to alsa when something kept makign /dev/dsp busy
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[18:48] <ananke> Gartral: it's not about its deployment, it's about the plethora of issues people have had with it
[18:48] <Gartral> ok.. im in a stick... i have a 9 button 4000 dpi mouse... how can i mkae all the buttons register?
[18:49] <Camarade_Tux> s/something/flash/
[18:49] <Ivshti> yeah,
[18:49] <Ivshti> I never had problems with pulse
[18:49] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: what mouse
[18:50] <ananke> distros that have moved early to pulse have experienced an influx of bug reports related to pulse
[18:50] <Gartral> ananke: 2 things to remember: pulse quantifies your DSPs input/output points (this makes /dev/dsp1 speakers out /dev/dsp2 rear out... etc etc etc) it's a pain in the kiester.. but it does *work*
[18:50] <Gartral> also the second thing: pulse likes piggybacking alsa.. making pulse redundant
[18:50] <ananke> Gartral: again, it's not about _how_ it works, it's about general problems with pulse
[18:50] <antiwire> ohohoh tell us more
[18:51] <jkwood> botnet: I believe the setting you're looking for is Loopback, though I'm not finding it anymore.
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[18:51] <jkwood> Everyone thinks that the way to solve Linux sound problems is by writing another layer of sound systems.
[18:52] <Gartral> NoelleRousell: Razer Lachesis running the 1.94 firmware
[18:52] <Gartral> i still use JACK where i can >.< iot's stable, an allows offsite rerouting of every stream
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[18:53] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: http://sourceforge.net/projects/razertool/
[18:53] <botnet> oh, my bad, input source needed to be front mic, not just mic
[18:54] <botnet> seems to be working with audacity now at least, now to see if i can get ffmpeg to record mic input
[18:54] <Gartral> NoelleRousell: thats labeled for the copperhead 13 button mouse
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[18:55] <Gartral> excuse me: 12 button
[18:55] <valsiterb> what command restarts hal?
[18:55] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: you have to setup the buttons in windows first, then you just use ExplorerPS/2 and Buttons 11 and zAxisMapping 4 5 and Resolution 4000
[18:56] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=1533486a29e2a559326395380eab4f53&p=8462984&postcount=4
[18:56] <botnet> well, it is recording, but very very quietly..i dont see much in the man pages other than to use "-f oss /dev/dsp" am i missing something?
[18:57] <botnet> audacity records at expected volume output
[18:57] <NoelleRousell> so audacity records at the right level?
[18:57] <NoelleRousell> or very very quietly
[18:57] <botnet> if i use alsa, then ffmpeg says no such file for /dev/dsp
[18:58] <botnet> audacity records at correct levels, ffmpeg records very quietly
[18:58] <Ivshti> ohh recompile ffmpeg
[18:58] <NoelleRousell> hm
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[18:58] <botnet> i just recently compiled ffmpeg, though..is there a configure option i should enable?
[18:59] <NoelleRousell> enable alsa?
[18:59] <Gartral> noell exps2 entry for my mouse?
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[18:59] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: thats how you do most of the many button mice
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[19:00] <NoelleRousell> my mx510 was setup like that
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[19:01] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: that page says you want to disable acceleration and mouse polling too
[19:01] <Ivshti> use the officlal Slackbuild
[19:01] <Ivshti> *official
[19:01] <botnet> i will try that, downloading ffmpeg source again
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[19:01] <botnet> my ffmpeg was built with alien bobs slackbuild
[19:04] <mancha> what config flags?
[19:05] <Ivshti> ohh interesting
[19:05] <Ivshti> and strange
[19:05] <Ivshti> ask alienbob when he is here
[19:06] <Gartral> SHIT
[19:06] <Gartral> lilo didnt install correctly
[19:06] <botnet> its liekly something i have wrong with my levels, but i dont want my mic coming out my speakers, and thats what happens when i raise the mic levels in alsamixer
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[19:07] <rwerken> Gartral, then use the installer disc to boot your root and run lilo again
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[19:08] <Gartral> rwerken: usin disk gives no bootable medium
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[19:09] <Gartral> how do i use the disk to boot from hdd?
[19:10] <Gartral> nevermind :P i  read some intro text
[19:10] <rwerken> ok
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[19:12] <Gartral> "fatal" first sector of /dev/hda6 doesn't have a valid boot signiture" wtf i installed the /dev/hda5 of course hda6 isnt bootable
[19:12] <Gartral> hda6 doesn't even exist
[19:13] <botnet> hmm theres no --enable-alsa or seemingly anything related to mic input in the ffmpeg configure options
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[19:13] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: so you type hda4 instead of hda6
[19:13] <NoelleRousell> hda5
[19:13] <NoelleRousell> no typos!
[19:14] <te_> I seem to be having a problem with KDE4 on my Dell-X300.  When I try to run OpenOffice I get this: http://imagebin.ca/view/zcK2fpkC.html  and:  http://imagebin.ca/view/W73uvL6s.html
[19:14] <te_> anyone know how to fix?  or...?
[19:14] <te_> What could cause it?
[19:15] <sahk0> intel or ati graphics card?
[19:15] <antiwire> intel graphics?
[19:15] <antiwire> haha
[19:15] <sahk0> :)
[19:15] <te_> intel yes
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[19:16] <Gartral> lilo -b /dev/hda5
[19:16] <Gartral> Warning ignoring entry "boot"
[19:16] <Gartral> Fatal: first sector of /dev/hda6 doesn't have a valid boot sig
[19:16] <te_> Video is Intel 82852/855GM
[19:16] <Gartral> again WTF
[19:16] <sahk0> maybe try one of the intel graphics drivers in extra/
[19:16] <Gartral> NoelleRousell:
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[19:18] <botnet> ahh, success, i needed to turn capture levels up in alsamixer to get ffmpeg to record them audibly...i dont know why it was working in audacity though
[19:18] <Gartral> now i got lilo installed and lilo is saying i dont have an active partition...
[19:18] <Gartral> is "active" not the same as "bootable"
[19:19] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: why dont you install to the mbr?
[19:19] <Gartral> i DID
[19:19] <jkwood> Gartral: I'm pretty sure only the first 4 partitions can have a boot sector written to them.
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[19:19] <NoelleRousell> ive never typed lilo -b anything
[19:19] <Gartral> i used lilo -M /dev/hda
[19:19] <NoelleRousell> k
[19:19] <Gartral> so wtf
[19:19] <NoelleRousell> i always let slackware install lilo for me
[19:20] <Gartral> i only have 4 partitions..
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[19:20] <Gartral> i TRYED to.. i never told slackware NOT to install ANYTHING
[19:20] <Gartral> i have nevr EVER had this many issues just trying to boot linux.. any flavor
[19:20] <NoelleRousell> none of my partitions are set bootable
[19:21] <NoelleRousell> Gartral: whats fdisk -l /dev/hda say
[19:21] <NoelleRousell> using CFDISK was probably your first mistake
[19:22] <Gartral> i redid all the partitioning with slacks installer second time through
[19:22] <NoelleRousell> whats fdisk -l say
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[19:22] <Gartral> shows four partitions
[19:23] <Gartral> /dev/hda5 is set as bootable
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[19:23] <NoelleRousell> how can you have hda5 with four partitions
[19:23] <NoelleRousell> hda1, hda2, hda3, hda4
[19:23] <NoelleRousell> thats it
[19:23] <Gartral> i have hda1, 5, 6, and 7
[19:23] <NoelleRousell> so you made an extended partition?
[19:23] <botnet> in bash, how do i append an extension to a variable?
[19:24] <Gartral> (extended partitioning, which is my norm)
[19:24] <botnet> like $file be %file.avi
[19:24] <NoelleRousell> ok so then...that still doesnt make sense, hda1 = extended partition, then you only have 3 partitions?
[19:24] <Gartral> rn file file.blah
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[19:24] <botnet> will that work when file is a variable?
[19:25] <NoelleRousell> [19:12] <Gartral> hda6 doesn't even exist
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[19:25] <Gartral> ok i was wrong there.. sue me >.>
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[19:25] <botnet> give me 10 dollars and we can settle it out of court
[19:25] <Gartral> but still why is it defaulting to hda6?
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[19:25] <Gartral> lol, botnet my quarrel aint with you
[19:26] <NoelleRousell> lrn2fdisk
[19:26] <Gartral> though if you give me 100 dollars ill consider the fruad settled ;)
[19:26] <botnet> well thats no fun then.
[19:26] <The-Croupier> greetings
[19:26] <botnet> okay, name address, SS number, and credit info, ill send it, honest
[19:27] <The-Croupier> botnet: ?!
[19:27] <Gartral> The-Croupier: dont worry it's just a running joke
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[19:28] <botnet> dont mind me croupier, just harvesting info for my botnet
[19:28] <The-Croupier> slackware is getting extremely easy to install  these days ;)
[19:28] <botnet> its a manual botnet, and taking a while
[19:28] <The-Croupier> ;)
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[19:29] <jkwood> botnet: I could include you in my virtual botnet.  So far, we've managed to ping google a bunch of times.
[19:29] <NoelleRousell> you are supposed to aim your lazers at ubisoft
[19:29] <botnet> pinging google?! dont hack me bro ;p
[19:30] Action: Gartral launches a huristc tracker packet at botnet's botnet and siphens his learnings
[19:31] <NoelleRousell> Gartral launches himself into derptard land
[19:31] <botnet> dont make me pull out hping here
[19:31] <NoelleRousell> is your gf named slow loris?
[19:31] <Gartral> what.. and lag me to death?
[19:31] <botnet> syn flood!
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[19:32] <Gartral> i'de LOVE to see you try
[19:32] <botnet> whois Gartral
[19:32] <botnet> oops
[19:32] <antiwire> botnet you suck at bot netting bro
[19:32] <Gartral> my firewall will do one of two things ignore you... or bounce it al back laidened with my own payload
[19:33] <NoelleRousell> botnet: looks like you have a new fan
[19:33] Action: jkwood <3 -j MIRROR
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[19:33] <botnet> i am joking here, th emost hackign i have done is get some WEP passkey and root a cartoon website once
[19:34] <Gartral> i pin pointed a hole in foundstone.com
[19:35] <jkwood> Gartral: You really should answer those emails from your mother more often.
[19:36] <jkwood> ;)
[19:36] <Gartral> what's my email then?
[19:36] <v4nelle> is it safe to clear /tmp with rc.local_shutdown ?
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[19:37] <Gartral> all of /tmp? no
[19:37] Nick change: mikee -> mfreenet
[19:37] <jkwood> It had better be safe.  If it's not, somebody's doing it wrong.
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[19:37] <v4nelle> Gartral,need i some files of them?
[19:38] <Gartral> it can cause serious problem with later versions of firefox
[19:39] <jkwood> Firefox should not be using /tmp for anything.
[19:40] <Gartral> it does, at least in debian oses... (ubuntfail)
[19:40] <jkwood> That's Debian for you.
[19:40] <botnet> i completely wipe /tmp with every reboot, never had a problem here
[19:44] <sahk0> using tmpfs is better than just cleaning /tmp on shutdown
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[19:45] <v4nelle> sahk0, sbopkg need to folder on /tmp and i want to leave them as they are....
[19:45] <Gartral> o/
[19:45] <v4nelle> to=two
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[19:45] <sahk0> v4nelle: change the package destination
[19:45] <antiwire> two=to
[19:45] <botnet> sahk0: that is what i do
[19:46] <sahk0> i dont know what sbopkg does exactly tbh but package destination shouldnt be hardcoded
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[19:48] <Ivshti> it isn't
[19:49] <Ivshti> you can change it in the config file
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[19:50] <botnet> whats a good avi vcodec? anyone know offhand?
[19:51] <Gartral> vlc\
[19:52] <Ivshti> isn't that a player?
[19:52] <Ivshti> or I guess it's a codec, too
[19:52] <Motoko-chan> avi *codec* ?
[19:52] <botnet> hmm, just leaving it blank seems to let it figure itself out
[19:53] <Motoko-chan> Any reason for using avi?
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[19:53] <botnet> no real reason, no, .ogm would be better, but not as well supported on sites like youtube
[19:53] <Motoko-chan> ogm is deprecated.
[19:53] <botnet> is it?
[19:54] <Motoko-chan> mkv is probably the best outside mp4 container.
[19:54] <botnet> i thought that was the <video> format needed for html5
[19:54] <Motoko-chan> Vorbis and h.264 are competing for inclusion.
[19:54] <Motoko-chan> Those are codecs.
[19:54] <Motoko-chan> mkv, ogm, avi. Those are all container formats.
[19:55] <Motoko-chan> If you must use avi, XviD is probably the best quality.
[19:55] <Motoko-chan> Vorbis is darn good, and you can use it in the mkv container.
[19:55] <botnet> well what i am doing is using ffmpeg to record mic and x11, encoding it to mpg then trancoding that to avi with the hghest quality i can get, i tried xvid but i got an error saying xvid is not found in libavcodec
[19:55] <Motoko-chan> Best quality is h.264 via x264, but it's higher computationally.
[19:56] <Motoko-chan> Ugh.
[19:56] <botnet> i seem to have gotten it working by just setting vbitrate in th mencoder options
[19:56] <Motoko-chan> lavc should have XviD if it was compiled with that option.
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[19:56] <botnet> probably doing this a very backwards way, but the script is working at least
[19:56] <Motoko-chan> You could try with mencoder.
[19:56] <Motoko-chan> And doing lossy to lossy causes compression artifacts.
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[19:58] <botnet> these are the two main lines i am using:
[19:58] <botnet> ffmpeg -f oss -i /dev/dsp -f x11grab -s 1366x768 -r 10 -i :1.0 -sameq -r 25 out.mpg
[19:58] <botnet> mencoder -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts vbitrate=16000 out.mpg -o out.av
[19:58] <botnet> and it appears to be working well enough in the preliminary stages
[19:59] <Motoko-chan> You could try encoding direct to h.264
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[19:59] <botnet> in the ffmpeg portion?
[20:00] <Motoko-chan> Yes.
[20:01] <Motoko-chan> ffmpeg -codecs
[20:01] <Motoko-chan> Will show you all you can use
[20:01] <Motoko-chan>  D V D  h264            H.264 / AVC / MPEG-4 AVC / MPEG-4 part 10
[20:01] <Motoko-chan> For example from my ffmpeg binary
[20:02] <Motoko-chan> Also, look for "mpeg4" which should be equivalent to XviD.
[20:02] <botnet> im not sure how to specify the codecs with x11grab
[20:02] <Cann0n> is it more or does hugin have 50 deps to attend to
[20:02] <botnet> everything i have tried, apart from just having the output end in mpg has failed
[20:02] <Cann0n> s/more/me
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[20:03] <Motoko-chan> ffmpeg -help
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[20:04] <botnet> ive looked through the man pages, and maybe im doing it wrong, but using the same options for regular encoding doesnt appear to work with x11grab
[20:04] <Gartral> FINOFREAKENLY i got it, my fathead partition had too long a name!
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[20:10] <v4nelle> anybody knows why i get this on gtkmm? http://pastebin.ca/1838370
[20:11] <antiwire> v4nelle: on current?
[20:11] <v4nelle> yeap
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[20:11] <fl_> hi.
[20:12] <antiwire> It needs a patch
[20:12] <Cann0n> hi
[20:12] <Cann0n> fl_: you live in fl?
[20:12] <Motoko-chan> botnet, try "-vcodec mpeg4" at the beginning
[20:12] <Motoko-chan> Then save as an avi
[20:13] <Motoko-chan> You might also be able to use mkv, but not sure.
[20:13] <botnet> well that works, thanks
[20:13] <fl_> anyone has an experience with ssh tunneling? like if on my system I have several routed IP addresses bound to eth0 (let's call it 1.2.3.4) and for example eth0:42 as a virtual routed interface (let's call it 9.8.7.6), I can bring a ssh tunnel up by connecting to 9.8.7.6 but then outbound connections are still made thru 1.2.3.4 instead of 9.8.7.6.
[20:13] <fl_> anyone has a clue?
[20:13] <v4nelle> antiwire,is there on web?
[20:14] <fl_> Cann0n, no, just initials.
[20:15] <Cann0n> gah, there are way too many deps for foobillards
[20:15] <Motoko-chan> botnet, you can use mplayer to see the details on the video you made.
[20:15] <antiwire> v4nelle: Do you have the rest of the deps for gtkmm installed first?
[20:15] <v4nelle> antiwire, yeap....
[20:15] <Motoko-chan> Including which codec is called to play it.
[20:17] <botnet> my mplayer config is a little different, since i am forcing codecs to prefer vdpau when possible, but with the '-vcodec mpeg4' option and outputting to avi, the framerates are good, and sound is audible, so it all appears good, thanks
[20:17] <Motoko-chan> If ffmpeg takes mpeg4 direct, then you shouldn't need to re-process it.
[20:18] <fl_> anyone? regarding specifying a different outbound interface while ssh tunneling?
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[20:19] <botnet> another oddity, when i run it in openbox, it records just fine, but when in copiz, video is just a black screen
[20:20] <Motoko-chan> botnet, Intel?
[20:20] <botnet> nvidia
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[20:20] <Motoko-chan> nv or nvidia?
[20:20] <botnet> nvidia
[20:20] <Motoko-chan> Hmmm
[20:20] <botnet> 190.53
[20:21] <Motoko-chan> I'll blame nvidia + compiz on this.
[20:21] <Motoko-chan> Try disabling compiz.
[20:21] <botnet> lol, its not a big deal, i rarely use compiz
[20:21] <Motoko-chan> I believe Compiz does direct rendering, so it bypasses x11.
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[20:22] <botnet> oh wait, im an idiot, i opened compiz on another Xorg session and left the display pointing to my openbox session
[20:22] <Gartral> it has direct/indirect rendering as a feature
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[20:22] <v4nelle> antiwire, i find it...thx :) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/sbo-git-slackbuilds.org-on-git-with-patches-for-current-794521/#post3894318
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[20:23] <Gartral> hahaha.. i once opened x and gnome in session and pointed my mouse to another >.>
[20:23] <Motoko-chan> I can beat you both.
[20:24] <Motoko-chan> I once booted Linux on a VM inside Linux.
[20:24] <Motoko-chan> The OS booted itself.
[20:24] <Motoko-chan> Really messed up the system, that.
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[20:24] <Gartral> my mom borked an ssd by hibernating windows and not telling me before handing me the system ><
[20:25] <Motoko-chan> The *real* WTF is that it was running Windows.
[20:25] <Gartral> she watches netflix and it's just a dinky acer d250
[20:26] <Motoko-chan> Aparently nobody reads TDWTF.
[20:26] <Ivshti> I once messed up really hard
[20:26] <Ivshti> I was using linux for the first time
[20:26] <Ivshti> I installed mandriva
[20:26] <Ivshti> and I was curious about the booting scripts
[20:26] <Gartral> it's a damn good thing i remotely sync all my famlyies systems to my home dc
[20:27] <Motoko-chan> I once broke boot scripts for Solaris.
[20:27] <Ivshti> I somehow removed execute permission of one of the boot script and didn't know that this is the problem
[20:27] <Motoko-chan> Trying to run vi in teletype mode is not fun.
[20:27] <Ivshti> and from then I broke the file system fscking despite the warning
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[20:28] <Gartral> i once removed any and all traces of permissions for my /home drive in ubuntu... i STILL lack a plausible explination for THAT
[20:29] <Motoko-chan> Alcohol?
[20:29] <Motoko-chan> chmod 000 baby!
[20:29] <jkwood> Gartral: Put it on FAT32?
[20:29] Action: Motoko-chan has actually done chmod 000 for certain files
[20:29] <Gartral> lol, no, it was all ext4 encrypted
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[20:29] <Ivshti> oh yeah, and this...
[20:29] <Ivshti> I wanted to remove a opera package but I broke removepkg
[20:29] <Gartral> oh no
[20:29] <Ivshti> and done rm -rf $(...filelist here...)
[20:30] <Ivshti> and the filelist included basic directories that the opera package contains
[20:30] <Ivshti> such as /etc, /usr
[20:31] <kitche> your fault for using rm -rf
[20:31] <Gartral> i once did that with the gnome-desktop metapackage in ubuntu...
[20:31] <Ivshti> yeah
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[20:31] <Gartral> nuked everything
[20:31] <Ivshti> it isn't really a big problem to nuke something in linux
[20:31] <break19> well. I once hit rm -rf / then enter.. I was aiming for the 3 on the numpad :/
[20:31] <Ivshti> as long as it isn't your /home
[20:31] <botnet> i once intended to run rm -rf ~/some_dir but put a space between the / and some_dir on accident
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[20:32] <Buggaboo> I did that with /etc -> / etc
[20:32] <Gartral> Ivshti: gnome-metapackage contains /home :P
[20:32] <mancha> rm'ing like that as root can be dangerous
[20:33] <Ivshti> backup your /home there!
[20:33] <Ivshti> *then
[20:34] <Ivshti> what I do is, I keep a directory with all the installed packages I have
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[20:34] <Gartral> lol. it was a fresh install thank god
[20:34] <Ivshti> and backup /home
[20:34] <Ivshti> so in case something breaks up, I just do a new install and set up it with the old /home
[20:35] <Ivshti> I have like 5 installs, and I'm testing a new X.org version on one, slackware-current-based system without HAL on the other, old X with nouveau on the third, so on
[20:35] <Gartral> i ussually sync home to my 3 layer raid >.>
[20:35] <Ivshti> and no matter which one I boot, it looks the same and my parents don't make a difference
[20:36] <Ivshti> except if there is a bug, of cource
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[20:36] <Gartral> well ya
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[20:38] <botnet> counfounded internet
[20:39] <SunTzu> i need some advice on a procedure; i want to email some info in zipfile secured by passwd to windows user; will a std vista user's sys properly handle the zipfile and request a paswd?
[20:39] <jkwood> botnet: I tend to have that effect on people and inanimate objects.
[20:39] <jkwood> SunTzu: That's an excellent question.
[20:39] <SunTzu> ty :)
[20:40] <SunTzu> jk user ~= Mommy :)
[20:40] <SunTzu> heh
[20:40] <SunTzu> i have sneak suspicion that the answer is ACK fwiw
[20:41] <SunTzu> jkwood do you have an excellent answer? :)
[20:41] <Gartral> up and running!
[20:41] <jkwood> No, but I can offer an assortment of smart-aleck responses.
[20:42] <SunTzu> kool; hit me
[20:42] <SunTzu> good sarcasm is so difficult to find
[20:42] <Gartral> root
[20:42] <Gartral> ooooopsies
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[20:43] <tsccof> hi
[20:43] <jkwood> Vista will likely ask if you want to cancel or allow everything BUT opening the zip file.
[20:43] <Gartral> which is ironic
[20:43] <SunTzu> i know you mean it seriously, but that seems like a non-sequitor from vista :)
[20:43] <SunTzu> lol
[20:43] <Gartral> cause zipfiles can contain launched payloads
[20:43] <SunTzu> ah
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[20:44] <SunTzu> what about using a tarball? can that be passworded?
[20:44] <Gartral> i'de use 7z
[20:45] <SunTzu> but mom's machine is delimiter
[20:45] <jkwood> For the bonus:  I delimited your mom's machine.
[20:45] <SunTzu> i can only do what hers can handle
[20:45] <SunTzu> lol
[20:45] <SunTzu> just dont scan it (lex, yacc or send bison)
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[20:46] <Motoko-chan> Yes, you can encrypt a tar
[20:46] <SunTzu> ok; can vista decrypt internal crupted-file
[20:46] <SunTzu> +y
[20:46] <SunTzu> in a tarball?
[20:46] <antiwire> v4nelle: what are you building, just curious
[20:46] <snL20> Motoko-chan: you can encrypt any file with gpg :D
[20:47] <SunTzu> this already seems too difficult.
[20:47] <Motoko-chan> Or even openssl
[20:47] <Motoko-chan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1071398
[20:47] <Motoko-chan> http://idolinux.blogspot.com/2008/08/encrypt-tar-archive-with-openssl.html
[20:47] <Motoko-chan> Two explanations on how to
[20:48] <SunTzu> but it's mom's vista machine that i want to send secure email to
[20:48] <SunTzu> or an attachment to
[20:48] <SunTzu> can vista handle it properly?
[20:48] <snL20> SunTzu: sure.. use gpg on linux and pgp on windows
[20:48] <SunTzu> k
[20:49] <SunTzu> i dont know if it's her mach tho
[20:49] <SunTzu> if it's on her *
[20:50] <Motoko-chan> You can use gpg on Windows too.
[20:50] <SunTzu> k
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[20:50] <Motoko-chan> Good package for Windows: http://www.gpg4win.org/
[20:50] <SunTzu> so winzip cant properly handle a passwd protected zipfile?
[20:51] <Gartral> no, but 7zip will
[20:51] <SunTzu> how can that be?
[20:51] <SunTzu> wth is wrong with the winzip coders?
[20:51] <SunTzu> mom is not a guru
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[20:52] <Gartral> SunTzu: look at portableapps.com
[20:52] <SunTzu> k
[20:52] <SunTzu> well, ok this is a bust.  thanks for your time all
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[20:55] <Motoko-chan> Winzip uses a different password style, iirc.
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[20:55] <Cann0n> winzip? wtf?
[20:55] <Motoko-chan> 7zip is pretty good and easy. Even your mom should be able to handle it.
[20:56] <Motoko-chan> Cann0n, user trying to send an encrypted file to a Windows user.
[20:56] <Cann0n> someone brought up a good point the other day. There isn't a tarball extractor for MS (tmk)
[20:56] <SunTzu> Motoko-chan well, she wont let me touch the kbd :)
[20:56] <Cann0n> Motoko-chan: i hate that.
[20:56] <SunTzu> heh
[20:56] <SunTzu> it's serious bone of contention
[20:56] <Cann0n> SunTzu: hi. you ever sort out that cache issue?
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[20:57] <SunTzu> with bowser?
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[20:57] <Motoko-chan> Cann0n, tar works well for me.
[20:57] <Gartral> yes there is! it's called cygwin!
[20:57] <Motoko-chan> gnuwin32.
[20:57] <Cann0n> hmmm
[20:57] <Motoko-chan> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/
[20:57] <Cann0n> cool
[20:57] <Motoko-chan> I used to use their packages a *lot*
[20:58] <SunTzu> Cann0n well, i found the archive/; i dont know what happend but ext3 lost it but it wasnt deleted; i'm alittle more concerned now tho.
[20:58] <Motoko-chan> 7zip on Windows supports tar with bzip2 and gzip as well.
[20:58] <Cann0n> thanks for the correction. i was under the impression it was different
[20:58] <Cann0n> once i remember who it was that stated that, i'll remind himor her.
[21:00] <Cann0n> i know there wasn't one back when I was still using windows ME.
[21:00] <Cann0n> which was the last windows system i've had
[21:00] <Motoko-chan> I remember winace or winrar handling them okay.
[21:00] <Motoko-chan> Back in the 2000/ME days
[21:01] <Cann0n> yeah, w/e lol
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[21:01] <SunTzu> afk
[21:01] <kitche> winrar has some issues sometimes with tar files but understands .tar.gz files fine I found out
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[21:02] <Cann0n> But hey, I thank windows and tech tv for learning about linux. I had the motivation
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[21:03] <Cann0n> kitche: what about bz2?
[21:03] <kitche> handles bz2 fine as just regular tar files it has issues with
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[21:05] <Jeffroman> anyone use slack in vmware fusion?
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[21:18] <MLanden> heya,slackers...how's all?
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[21:18] <Cann0n> MLanden: good
[21:18] <Cann0n> you/
[21:19] <MLanden> doin' great thanks Cann0n
[21:19] <tsccof> winrar does fine with tar.gz and tar.bz2
[21:19] <tsccof> I have used it for years
[21:19] <tsccof> shareware one, btw
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[21:21] <Cann0n> good deal
[21:21] <Cann0n> are there any compressions that are not readily available in windows?
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[21:22] <tsccof> no idea
[21:23] <Cann0n> hmm. Maybe i should stop taking peoples words on irc as much
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[21:24] <tsccof> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zppYkf2JIRk
[21:24] <tsccof> for old slackers
[21:27] <antiwire> http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs027.snc1/2576_78525971067_596161067_2722369_5697771_n.jpg
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[21:29] <MLanden> lol,antiwire...poor Stacy....but,her mom!!....;D
[21:29] <antiwire> lol
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[21:35] <MLanden> antiwire, here's another one along the same lines http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t16/d1dave/BearsType.jpg
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[21:36] <antiwire> haha
[21:38] <tsccof> "And you did not even know bears could type."
[21:38] <tsccof> LMAO
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[22:02] <tsccof> it is quiet here
[22:02] <trhodes> what ?
[22:03] <trhodes> ;) hey
[22:03] <tsccof> hey
[22:03] <tsccof> D:
[22:04] <tsccof> how are you?
[22:04] <tsccof> I must admit
[22:04] <tsccof> I am running Debian
[22:04] <trhodes> doin' OK :)
[22:04] <trhodes> ORLY ?
[22:04] Action: tsccof commits suicide
[22:04] <tsccof> rly
[22:05] <tsccof> it is a shame though
[22:05] <tsccof> but I am not using apt that much
[22:05] <tsccof> I compile most things
[22:05] <trhodes> i started on debian
[22:05] <tsccof> since debian is ooold
[22:05] <tsccof> I think debian is fine
[22:05] <tsccof> it all depends on the user
[22:06] <trhodes> have you used fedora ?
[22:06] <tsccof> for instance, I am using linux 2.6.33, pidgin 2.6.6, firefox 3.6, transmission 1.9.1
[22:06] <tsccof> yes, for quite some time
[22:07] <trhodes> i haven't used anything but debian, RH and slack
[22:07] <trhodes> at least not on purpose, i fought with a xandros install once
[22:07] <tsccof> I have used loads of distributions
[22:07] <tsccof> for trying them and getting to know which one I like best
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[22:08] <tsccof> Slackware is the best one I have ever used
[22:08] <snL20> trhodes: I've used, slackware,debian,gentoo,redhat,freebsd,netbsd,openbsd and archlinux =)
[22:09] <trhodes> wait, i did try opencaldera way back in the day
[22:09] <Cann0n> i started on slack
[22:09] <trhodes> oops caldera openlinux
[22:09] <MLanden> debian's nice on the arm and mips archs
[22:09] <trhodes> armed slack sounds intriguing :)
[22:10] <trhodes> somehow i never managed to try gentoo or arch
[22:10] <trhodes> i've fired up the three big bsd's
[22:11] <trhodes> i just can't righfully say I tried them
[22:11] <snL20> trhodes: arch is nice... its what I currently use
[22:11] <snL20> trhodes: of the bsd's I was most happy with netbsd :]
[22:11] Action: thrice` likes gentoo
[22:11] <trhodes> so I heard :)
[22:12] <thumbs> thrice`: ricer!
[22:12] <thrice`> lol.  I like the use-flag stuff
[22:12] <tsccof> I have used Slackware, Arch Linux, Debian, Ubuntu, openSuSE, Fedora, Mandriva, Salix, Slax, Linux Mint and Puppy
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[22:13] <MLanden> trhodes,talkin' 'bout arm....wonder how well those Zipit Z2's could handle armedslack? there's port of debian for it
[22:14] <trhodes> oh cool, i hadn't heard of those 'til now
[22:14] <trhodes> that'd make a nice terminal
[22:14] <tsccof> http://www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/g3/00bells.swf
[22:14] <Cann0n> gosh, i've tried many many
[22:14] <tsccof> a quite nice game
[22:16] <MLanden> trhodes,neither did I 'til I saw one mentioned in cross compiling 'bout a few months ago
[22:17] <trhodes> wow, that totally beats the pants offa hacking a TI calculator to work as a terminal
[22:17] <trhodes> and the price is better
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[22:18] <trhodes> SD expansion, sound... cool :)
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[22:19] <trhodes> 4 hours of use, but that's only with a 1000mah cell
[22:20] <trhodes> roughly equivalent to a AAA battery
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[22:21] <tsccof> does anyone know 'gh0st'?
[22:21] Nick change: break19_ -> break19
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[22:25] <tsccof> !seen gh0st
[22:26] <mancha> "I just upgraded to Ubuntu from Windows NT and i cant find out where space cadet is could you tell me how thanks."
[22:26] <tsccof> LMAO
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[22:27] <mancha> you can enjoy the rest of that thread here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2832
[22:30] <MLanden> lol
[22:30] <trhodes> he got such a nice answer too
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[22:31] <Cann0n> bwa ha ha haw haw haw *cough cough cough*
[22:31] <ananke> indeed. don't expect to see something like that here or on AOLS
[22:32] <Cann0n> thats funny
[22:33] <Cann0n> i've seen "what does a .config mean?"
[22:33] <Cann0n> it means grab a bottle of tums because i'll be hitting the coffee hard
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[22:45] <tsccof> which one would you say is the most stable kernel?
[22:46] <tsccof> from 2.6.30 on
[22:47] <Cann0n> dunno. make sure it supports your hardware
[22:47] <Cann0n> 33 doesnt like my video card or something weird like that
[22:48] <MLanden> tsccof, if your using intel for video...you'd see some improvement with 2.6.32 and after
[22:49] <tsccof> hmm, I am currently using 2.6.26 and it is fine
[22:49] <MLanden> Cann0n, what's your video card?
[22:49] <tsccof> but I want something faster to boot up and very very stable
[22:49] <tsccof> I guess I am going for 2.6.31.21
[22:49] <tsccof> 12*
[22:49] <tsccof> customised
[22:49] <danc3> tsccof: a newer kernel isn't going to "boot faster"...
[22:50] <Cann0n> /bin/sh: lspci: command not found
[22:50] <Cann0n> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
[22:50] <tsccof> danc3, no, but I will remove many things I do not need
[22:51] <tsccof> danc3 since the one I am using came with the system and it  does have things I do not need
[22:51] <Cann0n> yeah, thats what i do
[22:51] <tsccof> danc3 not loading them will improve boot time
[22:51] <danc3> yeah, OK, it still won't boot any faster
[22:51] <Cann0n> i like keeping my kernel up-to-date when i can. it's like a game to me.
[22:51] <tsccof> I should record videos and shove them down your throat
[22:52] <tsccof> but I am not wasting time
[22:52] <danc3> Cann0n: yeah me too, but not because it makes the system "boot faster".
[22:52] <Cann0n> it's not just booting faster, its optimizing it
[22:52] <tsccof> correct
[22:52] <tsccof> but it does boot a bit faster
[22:52] <Cann0n> i madify my boot scripts to boot faster
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[22:52] <danc3> tsccof: who are you talking to about shoving down the throat?
[22:52] <Cann0n> s/madify/modify
[22:52] <tsccof> danc3: talking to you
[22:53] <danc3> what's your problem?
[22:53] <Cann0n> lol
[22:53] <tsccof> no problem, but it does boot faster
[22:53] <tsccof> when you disable things you do not need the kernel to load
[22:53] <danc3> jesus, I didn't realize it was still n00b hour
[22:53] <MLanden> Cann0n, madify...nice meme....goes good for the month of March..:P
[22:53] <tsccof> danc3: you are right, it is still your hour
[22:54] <danc3> heh, yeah, I'm the one asking which kernel to use, right?
[22:54] <tsccof> oh yeah, that makes me a newbie
[22:54] <danc3> so it will "boot faster"... LOL
[22:54] <tsccof> no
[22:54] <danc3> clueless n00b
[22:54] <tsccof> I did not say the kernel version affects boot time
[22:54] <Cann0n> lol
[22:54] Action: fhobia gets some popcorn
[22:54] <tsccof> can not you read, fucking yank?
[22:54] Action: Cann0n throws fhobia a beer
[22:55] Action: danc3 adds tsccof to the "n00b ignore list"
[22:55] <tsccof> yeah
[22:55] <Cann0n> lol
[22:55] <tsccof> run away yank
[22:55] <tsccof> that is all you do
[22:55] <tsccof> many more australian warriors died in the vietnam war
[22:55] <tsccof> you were there hiding your "ass" behind mac donalds
[22:55] <tsccof> hide it again
[22:55] <ananke> ohh god. another soap box story
[22:55] Action: MLanden throws sea salt to Cannon and fhobia for the popcorn and if desired, beer..:P
[22:56] <mancha> funny thing, yuppies are going all out on the sea-salt...scoffing at the morton's iodized. as a result they're getting goiters.  :P
[22:57] <Cann0n> well, i like to ask before selecting a kernel. every time i don't it doesn't work and some one says, "oh yeah, ATI dropped support for this or that or some shit"
[22:57] <tsccof> hey, no offence against americans
[22:57] <tsccof> it got me going
[22:57] <Cann0n> tsccof: none-taken
[22:57] <ananke> tsccof: take it elsewhere
[22:57] <mancha> that's all right, it got your favela blood boiling.
[22:57] <mancha> :)
[22:58] <tsccof> ??/
[22:58] <tsccof> where do you think I was born?
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[22:58] <mancha> in a favela
[22:58] <tsccof> lmao
[22:58] <mancha> :P
[22:58] <tsccof> stop showing how ignorant you are, please
[22:58] <tsccof> thank you
[22:58] <tsccof> ;)
[22:58] <Cann0n> lol
[22:59] <mancha> right, i have to show my eruditeness. let me see., a good way is to generalize and insult an entire country  :P
[22:59] <tsccof> did do that
[23:00] <tsccof> but I was not wrong
[23:00] <ananke> tsccof: take it elsewhere
[23:00] <tsccof> but you are
[23:00] <mancha> take your favela manners elsewhere  :)
[23:00] <tsccof> ananke: believe me, I am not here to argue, but people seem to like to argue with me
[23:00] <ananke> tsccof: there's an offtopic slackware channel.
[23:01] <ananke> tsccof: you're the one who started to sling mud on nationalities
[23:01] <tsccof> I did
[23:01] <tsccof> was I wrong?
[23:01] <tsccof> no!
[23:01] <mancha> by yhe way, i think a country which shoots down santa claus waives its right to insult others
[23:01] <tsccof> this is not the right channel, right
[23:02] <ananke> hmm, i'm really surprised rsnapshot documentation doesn't really touch on the subject of securing the whole setup
[23:02] <mancha> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7150372.stm
[23:03] <ananke> tsccof: 'wrong' doesn't even describe the nonsense argument you have
[23:03] <Cann0n> mancha: your way of thinking impresses me in a strange way.
[23:03] <tsccof> ananke: what non-sense argument?
[23:03] <mancha> Cann0n i wouldn't say that too loudly   :>
[23:03] <ananke> that's priceless. poor santa
[23:04] <tsccof> what non-sense argument?
[23:04] <fhobia> tsccof: let it go
[23:04] <tsccof> fhobia: that is what danc3 did
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[23:05] <tsccof> 'wrong' was related to the "australian and american soldiers in the vietnam war"
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[23:05] <tsccof> I am not here to argue
[23:05] <danc3> lol, is tsccof (the n00b) still ranting and raving?  It helps if you just /ignore the fool.
[23:05] <tsccof> see?
[23:06] <tsccof> so I related his escape from the debate with the war
[23:06] <tsccof> personally, a funny comparison
[23:06] <danc3> perhaps one of the OPS will see that he's just here trolling and trying to pick a fight, and boot his dumb ass from the channel...
[23:06] <Cann0n> hey, anyone ever install foobillards from sbo?
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[23:07] <ananke> tsccof: again with the nonsense. you're here 'not to argue', yet you proceed with insulting entire nations. troll much?
[23:07] <danc3> heh
[23:07] <tsccof> ananke: just making my point
[23:07] Action: fhobia is going to need another beer and more popcorn
[23:07] <trhodes> beer ftw
[23:07] <break19> I wish I could have a beer, but I'm on call :/
[23:07] <danc3> I'll take break19's beer
[23:07] <mancha> "i'm not here to argue or pick a fight but $country is filled with idiots"
[23:07] <ananke> break19: that's why you have more than one person on call :)
[23:08] Action: ananke is on call, and enjoying some cheap yuengling porter
[23:08] <break19> ananke: cost-saving. why pay more than 1 person, when it only takes 1.
[23:08] <tsccof> mancha: lmao, not very bright
[23:08] <tsccof> but yes, let us stop this bollocks
[23:08] <trhodes> yuengling's not bad at all
[23:09] <Cann0n> i like it
[23:09] <break19> danc3: you likely don't want mine.. Michelob
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[23:09] <Reticenti> is vector linux a derivative of slackware?
[23:09] <trhodes> Reticenti: yes
[23:09] <Cann0n> i'm drinking landshark
[23:09] <ananke> trhodes: have you tried their porter? it's actually not bad. regular yuengling gives me a headache half of the time
[23:09] <break19> Cann0n: yuck
[23:09] <raela> I'm drinking vodka.. so much better than beer :P
[23:09] <ananke> raela: now that's pure trolling
[23:09] <tsccof> I am drinking Pepsi lol
[23:09] <trhodes> yes, it's decent
[23:09] <danc3> break19: hmmmm, that would be a little difficult... got any Miller High Life (the Champagne of Beers)?
[23:09] <mancha> goose?
[23:09] <Cann0n> lol
[23:09] <break19> I've tried landshark.. thats.. nasty
[23:09] <Reticenti> thanks trhodes
[23:10] <Cann0n> this became very offtopic lol
[23:10] <break19> danc3: oh please. Miller's pisswater
[23:10] <Cann0n> dammiT! foobillard?
[23:10] <raela> ananke: how's it trolling! it's not like I'm bringing up emacs!
[23:10] <trhodes> raela: is it still the labeled bottle :P ?
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[23:10] <raela> mancha: nah, I go for the cheap stuff
[23:10] <break19> Lincity-ng > Lincity
[23:10] <danc3> break19: nah, that's any product from Anh-Bush
[23:10] <raela> trhodes: yup, it is :)
[23:10] <trhodes> or "ice"
[23:10] <trhodes>  beer
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[23:11] <danc3> Cann0n: I don't currently have foobillard installed, but have in the past.  Don't recall any issues with it.  What's the problem?
[23:11] <gartral|vm> whats the command for updating installing things in slack 13?
[23:12] <raela> hey guys, how come my computer with 2x quad core cpus with hyperthreading only has 6 tuz's
[23:12] <danc3> gartral|vm: no such command
[23:12] <mancha> popov?
[23:12] <raela> gartral|vm: download the package and upgradepkg?
[23:12] <gartral|vm> theres no package manager?
[23:12] <Cann0n> danc3: it just don't want to compile. i read on a forum that it wants hugin, which has about 20 dependences
[23:12] <danc3> gartral|vm: no
[23:13] <Cann0n> which have their own as well
[23:13] <gartral|vm> ok thannks
[23:13] <ananke> raela: grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo
[23:13] <Cann0n> i'm wondering if anyone got it compiled and working on 64bit
[23:13] <raela> ananke: it has 16 cores show up
[23:13] <danc3> Cann0n: hmmm, don't remember that, and don't recognize the name 'hugin'... dunno.
[23:13] <ananke> raela: hmm, not sure why only 6 penguins then
[23:13] <danc3> Cann0n: I also never used it on 64 bit
[23:14] <raela> ananke: my only thought it is there's not enough screen space? would it just show a lesser amount?
[23:14] <break19> raela: check your kernel config. might only have up to 6cpu's supported....
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[23:15] <syntax_error> hello guys
[23:15] <raela> break19: all 16 show in lm-sensors
[23:15] <break19> raela: thats different tho
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[23:15] <raela> break19: fair enough. I can check the kernel config on monday then
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[23:15] <syntax_error> is there a way to know which are all the target created once a 'make' has been run ?
[23:16] <raela> break19: pretty sure all show up in dmesg, but I can't check right now
[23:16] <break19> raela: the userspace can -see- the cores.. but the kernel wont utilize them if you've set the cpu limit lower than the # of cpus :)
[23:16] <raela> break19: just running on stock 64-bit kernel for 13.0
[23:17] <mancha> what do you mean targets?
[23:17] <Cann0n> well, to get one of the deps, it uses cmake, which opened up a door of issues
[23:17] <syntax_error> mancha, well in make install, install is a target
[23:17] <mancha> are you folks getting good at cmake, btw?
[23:17] <mancha> oh i see, you can see the targets in the file "Makefile"
[23:17] <raela> syntax_error: read the makefile?
[23:17] <Reticenti> woo, i just built awesome3
[23:17] <syntax_error> mancha, like also clean, uninstall
[23:18] <mancha> yes also in Makefile
[23:18] <break19> raela: well.. its not the cpu limit then.. generic has support for 32 cpus
[23:18] <ananke> raela: possibly. considering /proc/cpuinfo shows the correct number, i wouldn't worry about the penguins
[23:18] <Cann0n> no, it spits out 4000 lines of bullshit and says it wont work with my settings
[23:18] <Cann0n> maybe it means one depenedency can't be compiled on 64bit
[23:18] <Reticenti> so, is it possible to have awesome2 and awesome3 on the same computer, aka, how do I use installpkg to not delete any of my awesome2 stuff?
[23:18] <Cann0n> for it anyway
[23:18] <raela> ananke: was just curious is all
[23:18] <mancha> installpkg has a way to change the root
[23:19] <mancha> -root iirc
[23:19] <Reticenti> hmm, I actually just might do upgradepkg --dry-run first
[23:20] <syntax_error> raela, i would agree but i don t find it
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[23:21] <raela> syntax_error: like, don't find the makefile, or don't know how to read it?
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[23:22] <Cann0n> it's dep issuens
[23:22] <Cann0n> issues*
[23:22] <MLanden> syntax_error, what are you compiling?
[23:22] <syntax_error> raela, no ok i found it i just have to wait for it to appaer
[23:23] <raela> syntax_error: erm, okay. good luck with it
[23:23] <syntax_error> MLanden, checkinstall
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[23:23] <syntax_error> MLanden, i wanted to uninstall it
[23:24] <syntax_error> MLanden, as it seems to not work with slack 13
[23:24] <MLanden> syntax_error, did you create a package from it?
[23:25] <mancha> checkinstall is sorta dead (as in not under development) i think.
[23:25] <syntax_error> MLanden, it failed, and the build procedure said to type make then make install and only after checkinstall
[23:25] <vhann> Is there a way to connect to different networks (for example eth0 connecting to A and wlan0 connecting to B)?
[23:26] <trhodes> try src2pkg
[23:26] <syntax_error> MLanden, but it failed to complete the package
[23:26] <mancha> vhann, yes, absolutely.
[23:26] <antiwire> vhann: just like any other mutli homed system, yes
[23:26] <vhann> Well, dhcpcd times out when trying to connect the second interface
[23:27] <MLanden> syntax_error, failed at make or at make install?
[23:27] <antiwire> vhann: DHCP timing out doesn't indicate some inability to connect to two subnets
[23:27] <vhann> antiwire: In this case, yes
[23:27] <syntax_error> MLanden, no no make and make install did work, the final checkinstall did not
[23:27] <vhann> antiwire: If I 'dhcpcd -k eth0' and try connecting again it will work
[23:28] <antiwire> vhann: Which interface is timing out?
[23:28] <vhann> antiwire: wlan0
[23:28] <MLanden> syntax_error, do you still have the source on your system?
[23:28] <syntax_error> MLanden, yes of course
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[23:28] <antiwire> vhann: dhcpcd is happening AFTER ieee80211 connectivity. is the card associating properly?
[23:29] <MLanden> syntax_error, can you cd to that directory and make uninstall?
[23:29] <syntax_error> MLanden, but here is no uninstall target only
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[23:29] <vhann> antiwire: You mean like do I already 'iwconfig wlan0 essid MY_SSID' ?
[23:29] <syntax_error> MLanden, only install clean and all
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[23:30] <antiwire> vhann: That's one way. After you do that, is the card actually associated?
[23:30] <syntax_error> MLanden, funny for a guy that wrote a program coz other rarely write the uninstall target
[23:30] <MLanden> syntax_error, gimme a second...lokkin' at the source now
[23:30] <vhann> antiwire: I don't know how to check that, dmesg?
[23:31] <antiwire> no
[23:31] <MLanden> looking*
[23:31] <antiwire> iwconfig wlan0
[23:31] <vhann> antiwire: mode: managed, essid MY_SSID, Access Point: Not-Associated
[23:31] <antiwire> ...
[23:31] <vhann> Just found the 'Access Point' thing
[23:32] <antiwire> And you also see that part there that says "Not-Associated" ?
[23:32] <vhann> antiwire: Yeah, that's what I meant
[23:32] <vhann> I didn't notice before
[23:33] <vhann> So OK, it's not associated, how do I solve that?
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[23:33] <trhodes> you can specify the ap like this: iwconfig wlan0 ap <MAC>
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[23:33] <antiwire> ....
[23:33] <antiwire> trhodes: look back in the buffer a bit.
[23:33] <trhodes> ok
[23:33] <antiwire> If you want to finish this, be my guest. I'm done then.
[23:34] <MLanden> syntax_error, check the Makefile and look in your local directory...without an uninstall,you will have to manually delete those files
[23:34] <vhann> antiwire: This definitely is not a signal strength problem
[23:34] <antiwire> vhann: Is your wireless network encrypted?
[23:34] <vhann> antiwire: No encryption
[23:34] <alisonken1home> too much signal is just as bad as not enough signal
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[23:35] <vhann> alisonken1home: ?
[23:35] <antiwire> vhann: Does the same system associate to that AP under a different operating system>
[23:35] <vhann> antiwire: I don't have another OS than Slackware
[23:35] <antiwire> so it is a known to be good AP and wireless card?
[23:36] <syntax_error> MLanden, u mean all the files that are in the 'localì directory ??
[23:36] <antiwire> has it ever worked?
[23:36] <antiwire> vhann: what chipset is the card?
[23:36] <vhann> Gimme a sec, I'll try killing my eth0 connection and connecting wirelessly
[23:36] <vhann> (this will obviously mean I'll get disconnected, brb)
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[23:36] <antiwire> eth0 has nothing to do with this\
[23:36] <antiwire> oh wtf
[23:38] <MLanden> syntax_error, from the source it used /usr/local for its prefix install
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[23:39] <vhann> antiwire: Stupid me forgot there was a MAC filtering on the AP, problem solved
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[23:43] <mancha> no encryption but mac filtering? sounds like someone got a phd in security
[23:44] <syntax_error> MLanden, well thx U teach me what to look for but it seems just a bit more complicated i will dig it tomorrow thx again
[23:44] <vhann> mancha: Let's suppose I'm helping neighboors secure their wireless networks
[23:45] <mancha> hey i'm all for supposing, but then it's not as funny
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[23:45] <ananke> right. because security is 0 or 1. there can't be anything in between
[23:45] <MLanden> syntax_error, np...good luck
[23:46] <syntax_error> MLanden, i will use slacktrack instead
[23:47] <mancha> There are 10 kinds of linux users in this world, those who make lame binary jokes and those who don't.
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[23:48] <thumbs> mancha: that was terrible.
[23:48] <mancha> thumb, i'm just warming up, gimme a chance...
[23:48] <ananke> sad. quite sad.
[23:48] <break19> actually, there are 11, you missed one, the ones that follow up lame jokes with even lamer ones
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[23:49] <mancha> break19, or the ones who deliberate on the sadness of said jokes
[23:49] <mancha> lesse, how lame am i? yep that lame, i am going to now comment on and muse over how lame the last joke was  :)
[23:49] <break19> lmao
[23:49] <ananke> mancha: you're just so sad. not only i wasn't making a joke, so the only lame binary 'joke' that was presented was your own. pathetic
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[23:50] <mancha> hahah
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[23:50] <break19> ananke: so mine wasn't lame then? yay!
[23:50] <MLanden> syntax_error, ok..good luck
[23:50] <mancha> break19 you were exonerated, ananke is fixated on me don't be jealous.
[23:51] <mancha> i dates back to the time when i inflicted severe intellectual pain on his ego.
[23:51] <ananke> that's ok. mancha's self assesment is always so precious
[23:51] <break19> oh, so my joke didnt even count!? *grumbles and wanders off to lurktown*
[23:51] <ananke> intellectual pain? ohh, now _that_ is funny
[23:52] <mancha> break19, hah
[23:52] <break19> mancha: shh, I'm trying to lurk here....
[23:52] <mancha> there are 10 kinds of lurkers in this world...
[23:53] <mancha> oops, he's gonna gimme his whole "so sad" routine now. mancha braces hisself
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[23:56] Action: gartral|vm pummels manch with thumbs-ups
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[23:57] <thumbs> hey, stop using my thumbs
[23:57] <syntax_error> guy what do you use to build slack package from source insted of checkinstall ?
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[23:57] <mancha> syntax, a lot of people use "makepackage" and then the pkgtools suite
[23:58] <mancha> they code that up into a bash/sh script that is intuitively called a slackbuild script
[23:58] <ananke> syntax_error: makepkg
[23:58] <syntax_error> it works well _
[23:59] <mancha> syntax, it works well, and has the added benefits of scalability and easy removal
[23:59] <mancha> by scalability i mean you can compile for a common denominator hw and deploy left & right
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