[00:00] <rworkman> cat << EOF > $PKG/install/doinst.sh
[00:00] <rworkman> rm -f /usr/lib${LIBSUFFIX}/python26/site-packages/libxml2.pyc
[00:00] <rworkman> EOF
[00:00] <rworkman> Add that after the slack-desc line in libxml2.SlackBuild - I think that will handle this acceptable.
[00:00] <Old_Fogie> that might be the best yup.
[00:00] <rworkman> s/le/ly/
[00:00] <Urchlay> Old_Fogie: yeah, likely it just doesn't save it  on disk if it lacks write permission
[00:00] <Old_Fogie> it doesn't seem to be a file that even a user needs on the box
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[00:01] <Old_Fogie> why the upstream devs (for years) have not fixed that , I don't know.
[00:01] <Urchlay> well, no, but it's supposed to speed up app startup (no need to recompile the .py source code if the .pyc compiled code already exists)
[00:01] <rworkman> python byte-compiles the python code for faster startup in the future -- IOW, it ignores the raw .py file later.
[00:01] <rworkman> right
[00:01] <Old_Fogie> it's got bug reports going back to 2002 I see here.
[00:01] <Urchlay> rworkman: does it at least compare the timestamps on the .py and .pyc files, in case the source got changed?
[00:02] <rworkman> Not that I'm aware.
[00:02] <Urchlay> yuck
[00:02] <Urchlay> must make life really interesting for python devs
[00:02] <rworkman> You'll notice that I just blindly remove the *.pyc files in wicd's postinstall.  Safer that way.
[00:02] <Old_Fogie> this is why you build on a dev box.  because a normal user cant wright to odd places, and cause a break later on to update this pyc it sounds like.
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[00:03] <Old_Fogie> it's breaking chroot on gentoo they say too
[00:03] <Old_Fogie> the 'sand box' bug report they got.
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[00:06] <Urchlay> hm. OTOH, if I'm packaging up a python app, might I want to include the compiled versions?
[00:07] <Urchlay> (this app I'm thinking of is windows-like, it expects to be run from its own directory. If it has write permissions, it writes .pyc files to its dir)
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[00:08] <rworkman> Urchlay: as long as the package includes them, that's fine.
[00:08] <Urchlay> cool
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[00:08] <Urchlay> will check & see just how much it actually speeds app startup time, it might not be worth the trouble
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[00:09] <Old_Fogie> yea man who needs defrag, we can haz byte crunching compiling
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[00:09] <Old_Fogie> :)
[00:10] <Urchlay> this damn thing takes like 10 seconds from the time I type the command to the time it shows its GUI
[00:10] <Old_Fogie> it'd still be nice tho if these python guys would address it some way shape form I dont see any notes in the docs yet..but there's alot of docs
[00:10] <toastytoast> hey any of you guys had luck with a mach64 card in slackware?
[00:10] <Urchlay> toastytoast: my laptop has an old mach64 chip in it
[00:10] <Old_Fogie> I only get 2d accell on mine
[00:11] <Old_Fogie> an old mach64
[00:11] <Urchlay> I get 3d accel, but it's pretty useless for anything newer than quake 1 or so
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[00:11] <toastytoast> i've seen while searchering there supose to be a way tog et 3d
[00:11] <toastytoast> but from what i've found nothign actually much helpful
[00:12] <Old_Fogie> toastytoast, I got a funny feeling them cards 3d can change on who built the card
[00:12] <Urchlay> lemme fire up X and see if the current iteration of xorg.conf on there actually supports 3d
[00:12] <Old_Fogie> kind of like a bunch of company's buy the chip, and did $DIETY knows what to them
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[00:13] <Urchlay> glxinfo reports "direct rendering: yes"
[00:13] <Old_Fogie> oh yea? nice.
[00:13] <toastytoast> may i see your xorg.conf please?
[00:14] <Urchlay> sure
[00:14] <toastytoast> ty
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[00:14] <Urchlay> http://pastie.org/476462
[00:14] <Old_Fogie> sounds like a topless dancer site
[00:15] <Urchlay> :)
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[00:16] <tuvok302> Oh? What's this about topless dancers?
[00:16] <Urchlay> toastytoast: I did disable the Composite and AIGLX stuff,  I don't use it, and  it was slowing things down
[00:16] <Old_Fogie> rworkman, thanks again on the input on that pyc file.
[00:16] <toastytoast> i am no longer sure i've messed with xong.conf so many time already
[00:16] <Old_Fogie> Urchlay, yea that makes a diff, even if you're not using it, physically disabling it does help i find too
[00:16] <Old_Fogie> toastytoast, ther'es a back up of the stock in /etc/X11
[00:17] <Old_Fogie> the vesa one
[00:17] <Urchlay> toastytoast: it's possible I had to add the mach64 module myself, see if you have a mach64.ko somewhere under /lib/modules
[00:17] <Old_Fogie> just make a copy of that and edit accordingly
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[00:18] <Urchlay> yeah, I did. No mach64.ko anywhere in /var/log/packages.
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[00:19] <Urchlay> toastytoast: http://pastie.org/476464
[00:20] <Urchlay> I had to get the mach64 module from freedesktop.org git
[00:21] <Urchlay> and beware: there are at least theoretically some security concerns with the mach64 kernel module (not worried about it on my crappy old laptop, but you might be)
[00:21] <toastytoast> i see
[00:21] <Old_Fogie> wow, now the CVE people use ubunut and linux words interchangeably.  from my rss feed "CVE-2009-1601 (linux)"
[00:22] <Old_Fogie> wth is going on in the world
[00:22] <Urchlay> proper way to do it would be to create a SlackBuild script for the mach64 kernel driver, but I, um, didn't
[00:22] <rk4n3> idiocracy
[00:22] Action: toastytoast highlights middle clicks in vim :w xorg.conf :wq meh sftp 192.168.1.106 put xorg.conf meh
[00:22] <toastytoast> now lets see if i can get it to work for mye thank you very much
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[00:23] <rk4n3> Old_Fogie:  have you seen the movie "Idiocrocy" ?
[00:23] <Urchlay> by itself the xorg.conf won't do anything special, it needs the git mach64 driver
[00:24] <rk4n3> er, Idiocracy, that is
[00:24] <Old_Fogie> rk4n3, no I haven't.  was it good?
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[00:24] <Urchlay> rk4n3: I have. It's a little too close to reality to be entirely funny :(
[00:24] <rk4n3> Old_Fogie:  yeah, its worth a watch - Urchlay's right, its hilarious in some parts, but almost too true to be funny in others
[00:24] <toastytoast> i know i got that asc well that was the meh
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[00:24] <Old_Fogie> rk4n3, ah I see.
[00:25] <Urchlay> also if you can find it anywhere, see "The Marching Morons" by Cyril Kornbluth (same thing, written 50 years earlier, not as a comedy though)
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[00:25] <rk4n3> Urchlay:  ah, cool - thanks, I'll have to check that out :)
[00:25] <Urchlay> s/ee/read/
[00:25] <Old_Fogie> sounds like I see it daily these days in the news
[00:25] <Urchlay> er, s/ee/see/ :)
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[00:26] <Urchlay> Kornbluth was one of those science fiction writers who had a promising future, but died young :(
[00:26] <rk4n3> unfortunate
[00:26] <Urchlay> (at least he didn't have to get old and find out how crappy the future actually is...)
[00:27] <Urchlay> that line from Spaceballs always cracks me up for some reason... "Dammit, even in the future nothing works!"
[00:27] <rk4n3> Old_Fogie:  what I found compelling about Idiocracy was its opening sequence which fairly rationally details the concept of how collective intelligence of the human race naturally degrades by virtue of innate reproduction behaviors
[00:28] <rk4n3> Urchlay:  haha
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[00:28] <Urchlay> yeah. Dumb people can't think of anything better to do than screw, so they have 10 kids... the smart ones keep thinking "we're not ready to have kids yet" until they die of old age :(
[00:29] <rk4n3> Old_Fogie:  more specifically, the dumb procreate far more prolifically than the smart do, so just by the numbers the species as a whole gradually works its way to idiocy
[00:29] <Old_Fogie> rk4n3, wow that's an interesting, sad, theory.
[00:30] <Old_Fogie> how long ago did it come out abot?
[00:30] <Old_Fogie> about
[00:30] <rk4n3> indeed - so the movie goes from that sober observation straight into scenes depicting absoltely hilarious (but also shamefully pathetic) dumbness
[00:30] <Old_Fogie> oh 2006
[00:30] <rk4n3> yeah, 2006
[00:31] <rk4n3> ... and by the way things have gone since then, I think "prophetic" comes to mind
[00:33] <rk4n3> you can get a decent glimpse of the movie's sense of humor ... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/quotes
[00:35] <Urchlay> the Kornbluth story has to be from the 1950s
[00:35] <Urchlay> always wondered if Mike Judge ever read it
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[00:36] <rk4n3> I'm gonna have to read that ...
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[00:39] <Urchlay> while you're at it, read "The Space Merchants" by Pohl and Kornbluth (and/or its sequel, "The Merchants' War" by Pohl alone)
[00:39] <Old_Fogie> ah I just reserved the movie at my library, can get it tomorrow :)
[00:39] <rk4n3> sweet :)
[00:39] <Old_Fogie> yup, I never rent :)
[00:39] <Old_Fogie> my tax payer dollars at work
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[00:40] <rk4n3> indeed - reclaim at every opportunity
[00:40] <Urchlay> hm, public libraries actually carry new-ish movies? I did not know that
[00:40] <Old_Fogie> heck yea
[00:40] <Old_Fogie> they have the value line too for stocks
[00:40] <Urchlay> (last time I was inside a library was before DVDs were invented, and before VHS was affordable)
[00:40] <Old_Fogie> I dont buy that either
[00:40] <Old_Fogie> oh I get vhs at the library too
[00:40] <Old_Fogie> our library will actually order it from other libraries, and I get it at my library
[00:40] <rk4n3> unfortunately, you can even get gems like "Thug Life" and "Lords of Dogtown" at the library ... just what the idiocracy needs ...
[00:40] <Old_Fogie> we pay no fee's for inter-officemailing
[00:41] <Urchlay> probably there's a Wanted poster of my 15-year-old self hanging there... for 20+ years of late fees
[00:41] <rk4n3> haha
[00:42] <Old_Fogie> Oh I can't even begine to tell ya the amount of money you save by the library vs going to block buster.  Yeah, you dont see a movie that came out last week, but who cares.
[00:42] <Old_Fogie> add that up over the years, it's monstrous
[00:42] <Urchlay> I can believe it
[00:42] <Urchlay> used to read a ton of library books
[00:42] <Urchlay> these days I buy them from the used book stores and don't have to remember to bring them back
[00:42] <Old_Fogie> they even had music cd's for a while, still do on classic stuff.  seems like they're not getting new for whatever reson
[00:43] <Urchlay> (used books are cheaper than my typical library late fees, in a lot of cases)
[00:44] <Old_Fogie> this is nice, point click, order it, get it when you want.  you can even (at our library) go online and rebook it if noone else has asked for it.
[00:45] <Urchlay> amazing
[00:45] <Urchlay> it wouldn't surprise me if the libraries here were still using paper files and microfilm
[00:45] <Old_Fogie> yeah, they even have a buy option, so if you borrow a movie, it tells you, your late fee's will never exceed $XYZ dollars
[00:46] <Urchlay> (actually I used to like the microfilm readers for the card catalog, very original-Trek look and feel to them)
[00:46] <toastytoast> holy cow i might have jsut broke slackware second night in a row that has to be new record
[00:46] <Urchlay> toastytoast: doing what, trying to install the mach64 module?
[00:46] <toastytoast> no
[00:47] <toastytoast> i was isntalling the kernel sources and removeing xfce at the same tiem laptop restarted
[00:47] <Urchlay> "restarted"
[00:47] <Urchlay> like it spontaneously rebooted?
[00:48] <toastytoast> and now it has restarted twice again by itself and right now it's sitting there hung up at starting syslog deamons
[00:48] <toastytoast> prolyl becasue the laptop ame unplugged
[00:48] <toastytoast> the battery in ti doesn't hold a charge
[00:48] <toastytoast> i ordered a new one but it hasn't come yet cot liek 40 bucks
[00:48] <toastytoast> i think
[00:49] <toastytoast> it was under 50 i knwo that
[00:49] <Urchlay> hm, wonder if my laptop's worth trying to restore
[00:49] <Urchlay> it needs: a battery, a new backlight, and a new hard drive
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[00:49] <toastytoast> well the parts for this were under 100 from ebay
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[00:50] <toastytoast> all the parts i got from ebay work fine jsut my bad luck sometimes
[00:50] <toastytoast> oh wait ti mgiht work this time
[00:50] <Urchlay> I've had it since 2002 and it's been great (everything works except I never bothered with the modem)
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[00:51] <toastytoast> its thinking
[00:51] <Urchlay> and it has real RS232 ports (which I actually do use for a few things)
[00:51] <toastytoast> THANK LINUX TORVALDS!
[00:51] <toastytoast> it lives
[00:51] <toastytoast> linus*
[00:52] <toastytoast> :( apperently the world will in in 5 mins and i need to log out
[00:52] <Urchlay> World ends tonight at 10PM! Details at 11!
[00:52] <MLanden> Party at 12..:D
[00:52] <Shingoshi> firebird619: Three of my four cores have a baseline of 33C. Only jumping up when busy.
[00:55] <firebird619> nice
[00:55] <firebird619> and the fourth?
[00:56] <Urchlay> is on fire :)
[00:56] <firebird619> haha
[00:57] <firebird619> Shingoshi: get the extinguisher quick, watch out, it's gonna blow up. :P
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[00:58] <inspiron630> how do i change what my default permission are set to when creating a folder
[00:58] <Old_Fogie> inspiron630, that would be 'umask'
[00:58] <Urchlay> inspiron630: add a call to "umask" to your ~/.bash_profile
[00:59] <Urchlay> unfortunately "man umask" won't tell you what you need to know about it, "help umask" does
[00:59] <Old_Fogie> slackwiki has a nice tut, hopefully that page ain't broken there
[00:59] <Urchlay> er, well, not really it doesn't, if you don't already know :(
[01:00] <Old_Fogie> yeah like a chilton's car manual.  if you took the car apart 10x over the manual makes sense, if not, your outta luck.
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[01:01] <Urchlay> ugh. My favorite is the 56-step procedure for dismantling something, and the one-step procedure for putting it back together (step 1: follow the steps from the dismantling procedure in reverse)
[01:01] <Old_Fogie> heh, my .ccache is almost 20 gig... /me thinks I'm gonna have to clear this out some day soon
[01:01] <Old_Fogie> oh yea that just kills me
[01:02] <Old_Fogie> or ... you get half way thru the job, and it says "use Special Tool #44 for this" and you have no idea what tool they mean.
[01:02] <firebird619> lol
[01:03] <Old_Fogie> yeah, I think gnu man page writers, are probably employee's of chiltons.  maybe chilton's is the FOSS sponsor of gnu documentation?
[01:03] <lw0x15> lol
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[01:03] <Old_Fogie> everyone, and anyone here, who's used a Chilton's manual *really* knows I'm not too far off base on this one, heh :)
[01:04] <Urchlay> not unless the chilton's manuals have changed drastically in the last 10 years
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[01:05] <Old_Fogie> hey no screenshots of 'stfu' straterra ?
[01:05] <MLanden> X_X
[01:06] <Old_Fogie> Urchlay, tehy haven't, ever pick up a recent manual, it still shows the 1950's version of that model car.  Like the 2007 Impala manual, show's a 60's Impala :)
[01:06] <Shingoshi> firebird619: I'll wait until morning to raise the clock here. Temps seem to be dropping back down.
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[01:06] <firebird619> Shingoshi: cool. Good luck with it. Don't blow it up. :P
[01:07] <Urchlay> Old_Fogie: heh, that must fill their customers with confidence...
[01:07] <Shingoshi> Hope not!
[01:07] <Old_Fogie> Urchlay, yea really
[01:07] <Urchlay> and I suppose there's no chiltons manuals for stuff like saturns or kias
[01:07] <Old_Fogie> not sure really, I dont work on them.
[01:07] <Urchlay> if there are, they just have a lump of raw iron ore on the front cover? (or I guess a puddle of raw petroleum would be more accurate)
[01:08] <Old_Fogie> welp, bed time for bonzo.  night night all.
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[01:08] <Urchlay> frigging saturns. I can't even *check the automatic transmission fluid* on mine. There is *no dipstick*
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[01:08] <Urchlay> only way to find out how much fluid's in there is to take it to a saturn dealer and they query the onboard computer
[01:09] <Urchlay> (well, or I suppose I could drain all the fluid out, see how much there is, and pour it back in. Lame.)
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[01:15] <inspiron630> there is no clear command for my xterm :(
[01:15] <inspiron630> to clear the screen
[01:15] <inspiron630> i mean bash
[01:15] <firebird619> clear doesn't work?
[01:16] <inspiron630> yeah
[01:16] <firebird619> so what are you having problems with then?
[01:16] <inspiron630> i should mention i'm on a windows comp using cygwin right now heh
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[01:16] <inspiron630> clear doesn't work
[01:16] <firebird619> ....
[01:16] <Urchlay> press control-L
[01:16] <Urchlay> or use "reset" instead of "clear"
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[01:18] <Urchlay> or "tput clear"
[01:18] <Urchlay> if none of the above works, press and hold Enter for a few seconds :)
[01:19] <firebird619> lol, that'll for sure clear it. :P
[01:19] <inspiron630> ^L works
[01:19] <inspiron630> but aliasing it doesn't heh
[01:19] <inspiron630> ctrl-L
[01:19] <inspiron630> how can i make an alias for that?
[01:20] <inspiron630> ^L gave problems for the alias
[01:21] <Urchlay> alias clear=echo -e '\x0c'
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[01:21] <Urchlay> err, except that doesn't actually seem to clear the screen for me
[01:22] <Urchlay> quotes needed, alias clear="echo -e '\x0c'"
[01:22] <Urchlay> but it still doesn't actually worj
[01:22] <Urchlay> s/j/k
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[01:23] <Urchlay> can programs clear the screen? Like if you run some curses or terminfo based program (maybe vim or nano), does that clear the screen?
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[01:24] <Urchlay> another question: why do you want an alias? easier to just press ^L when you want to clear the screen
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[01:27] <toastytoast> hey guys i sjut double faulted on the dell i rlly am on a roll today
[01:27] <toastytoast> i have no clue how i manageign to make so many things go wring today
[01:28] <alnasfd> its easier to type clear
[01:28] <alnasfd> or even type c
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[01:29] <masterx831> where's dive ?
[01:29] <slackmagic> good evening slackers
[01:29] <masterx831> slackmagic: good early morning :P
[01:30] <firebird619> Hey slackmagic. How goes it?
[01:30] <alnasfd> what package is clear in
[01:31] <BP{k}> alnasfd: grep for it.
[01:31] <slackmagic> firebird619: oh everything goes well :)
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[01:31] <Urchlay> c, enter... is the same number of keystrokes as ctrl-L
[01:32] <firebird619> slackmagic: http://imagebin.org/48849 I don't think you seen this one.
[01:32] <Urchlay> you're not trying to fix an ailing shell script that tries to call clear and fails, are you? cause your aliases don't apply inside of scripts
[01:32] <alnasfd> yeah but the positioning is better
[01:32] <masterx831> slackware is the coolest thing that have ever came into my life, i treat it like its my own child. Sometimes i try too much and learn as much but i cant and just learn bits
[01:33] <Urchlay> did you try "reset" and/or "tput clear"?
[01:34] <alnasfd> yeah
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[01:35] <slackmagic> firebird619: nice wallpaper, I'm assuming you're into Music, or play music instruments or something of that nature. I think you could use more fonts though, and terminals with some shade look very nice too imho, but again, all that is personal preference
[01:35] <Urchlay> and neither one worked?
[01:36] <firebird619> slackmagic: Yeah, I love music. I'm trying to teach myself to play piano/keyboard, slowly but surely I'm getting there. Any recommendations on fonts? Eterm, which I use there supports shading.
[01:36] <alnasfd> got it, its the ncursers package
[01:37] <Urchlay> wait, I thought you meant "clear" ran, but didn't clear the screen
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[01:37] <Urchlay> you mean you didn't even have it installed? ptptpt
[01:38] <frullet> o/
[01:38] <firebird619> hey frullet. How are you?
[01:38] <slackmagic> firebird619: I use urxvt or also known as rxvt-unicode I believe. Bitstream Vera Sans Mono looks very nice actually and should be already on your system iirc. HandelGotDBol / HandelGotDLig, the artwiz fonts package [can get that from SBo] and a bunch of other fonts are what I mainly use
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[01:38] <frullet> firebird619: cant complain, you?
[01:38] <alnasfd> yeah
[01:39] <firebird619> slackmagic: Hmm, ok, I'll have to look into changing the terminal font in eterm (I've tried several times) or learn urxvt a bit more for shading, etc.
[01:39] <slackmagic> firebird619:    Mod1 F2 :ExecCommand urxvt -tint grey -sh 20 -fn xft:"Liberation Mono":pixelsize=13 -geometry 134x20+752+889
[01:39] <firebird619> frullet: doing very well, thanks.
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[01:39] <firebird619> slackmagic: well that was quick, thanks. :)
[01:40] <firebird619> I love the liberation fonts
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[01:40] <firebird619> slackmagic: that looks very nice.
[01:41] <slackmagic> for example is one of the lines in my ~/.fluxbox/keys   , opens up a urxvt terminal with perfect positioning for my 1920x1200 resolution (right bottom of the screen)
[01:42] <Urchlay> slackmagic: my question is: why do you ever close that terminal? Why not have it start when X starts, and leave it there always?
[01:43] <toastytoast> oh wow i'm pulling a mbit from ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2
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[01:43] <firebird619> slackmagic: Ok, so with that, F2 would start the terminal.
[01:43] <slackmagic> Urchlay: oh my first workspace is usually up with a bunch of terminals, of which some use screen and some don't
[01:44] <slackmagic> firebird619: ALT + F2
[01:44] <toastytoast> i changed all my keys back to the older ones
[01:44] <firebird619> slackmagic: Ok, so you changed the key that brings up run then.
[01:44] <toastytoast> alt + f keys to switch workspaces
[01:44] <slackmagic> and TUX + F1 / F2 / F3 ... changes my workspace (therefore I don't really need a taskbar)
[01:45] <slackmagic> firebird619: no, you can have as many keybindings you can memorize in your fluxbox/keys file
[01:45] <Urchlay> I tried having multiple terminals and having one or all of them running screen, and found it impossible to keep track of
[01:45] <toastytoast> and i made ctrl + f1 brign up aterm ctrl + f2 bring up firefox and i think ctrl + f3 brings up run
[01:45] <firebird619> slackmagic: yeah, but for me anyway, the default for Alt + F2 is Run. You can't have the same keycombo for multiple things.
[01:46] <Urchlay> I mean, I do use screen for running irssi, but only so I can detach/reattach it (the screen only has one terminal inside it)
[01:46] <slackmagic> firebird619: I disabled xfce's ALT + F2 for Run
[01:46] <firebird619> slackmagic: The run is for flux, fbrun, in ~/.fluxbox/keys
[01:46] <firebird619> for me anyway
[01:47] <slackmagic> Urchlay: it takes probably less than a second to open up a terminal on my system, so I don't mind closing or reopening them as I go, I know I use F1, F2, F3, F4, F5 for different terminals with different shades and fonts for different purposes
[01:47] <slackmagic> firebird619: yeah but I changed that too :)       Control Mod1 x :ExecCommand fbrun -nearmouse -font Matto -w 500 -h 50
[01:48] <firebird619> default for opening a terminal for me is Alt + F1
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[01:49] <Urchlay> the only time I open a new terminal is when using the firefox mozex extension to edit a textarea with vim (yes, I really do that), or "view source" with vim (color syntax highlighting, a lot nicer than ff's default "view source")
[01:49] <firebird619> heh, fortune: We don't care how they do it in New York.
[01:49] <slackmagic> firebird619: I'm so used to the way I've set up my flux, that I don't even think about what is/was default. Certainly goes back to the saying: you may like it this way, and I may like it that way.
[01:50] <firebird619> slackmagic: exactly.
[01:50] <firebird619> I prefer more an -sh 40 for urxvt and --pixelsize=16
[01:50] <Urchlay> must be getting hungry
[01:50] <Urchlay> I read that as --pizzasize=16
[01:50] <firebird619> haha
[01:51] <firebird619> I'm a little hungry too, I'll be having a snack here in a bit.
[01:51] <firebird619> slackmagic: One thing I think we can both agree on, fluxbox is awesome.
[01:51] <firebird619> bbiab
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[01:52] <slackmagic> firebird619: I do like it, yep :)
[01:52] <Urchlay> any place that delivered here would have closed at least 2 hours ago :(
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[01:53] <antler> yo firebird619! how ya doin? :P
[01:53] <Urchlay> hey, look, antler's awake
[01:53] <bigpaws>  Delivered pizza, that would be nice to have available
[01:54] <antler> Urchlay: awake and enjoying a big meat-lovers pizza and ice cold pepsi that i just had delivered to my door
[01:54] <Urchlay> obviously you are not in the eastern timezone
[01:54] <antler> Urchlay: and how's your pizza?
[01:54] <antler> :P
[01:54] <antler> j/k
[01:55] <Urchlay> well, or else the pizza driver got hideously lost and you had to wait 2-3 hours
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[01:56] <antler> Urchlay: dood.... "you haven't read macbeth(?) until you've read it in the original klingon" that kills me :P
[01:56] <Urchlay> yeah
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[01:56] <Urchlay> think he just says "shakespeare"
[01:56] <antler> yeah
[01:56] <agentc0re> haha, straterra what channel were you in when this happened?  http://noobfarm.org/?id=1520
[01:56] <Urchlay> if I were feeling a little more nerdly than I am, I'd figure out how to write "shakespeare" in klingon, and paste that in here
[02:00] <Urchlay> http://noobfarm.org/?id=1513, "<neuro_sys> why on earth doesn't anybody code for atari 2600 anymore? "
[02:00] <Urchlay> people do. I do.
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[02:00] <agentc0re> She might as well got a tattoo saying, I'm an idiot!!  http://failblog.org/2009/05/12/tattoo-fail/
[02:01] <antler> i'm on 'the final frontier' right now. skipped 'the search for spock'
[02:01] <agentc0re> antler: HAH, are you watching old star trek?
[02:01] <Urchlay> really? I kinda liked "search for spock"
[02:01] <Urchlay> early use of fractal-generated landscape
[02:01] <antler> agentc0re: yeah, grabbed a box set from a buddy
[02:02] <antler> Urchlay: i'll probably come back to it. i don't remember much of it
[02:02] <antler> Urchlay: for some reason or other, young spock in 'the search ...' irritated me
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[02:02] <antler> (from what i remember, anyway)
[02:02] <agentc0re> I liked the new movie, it was pretty awesome.  Much better than Wolverine.
[02:03] <antler> agentc0re: oh you've seen it. worth the dough you forked out?
[02:03] <Urchlay> the annoying thing to me in that movie is they replaced the actress that played the vulcan chick
[02:03] <agentc0re> Yeah, the Star Trek Movie was great.  I'll probably go see it in imax.
[02:03] <Urchlay> in II, it's whats-her-name from Cheers
[02:04] <antler> Urchlay: kirstie(?) ally was pretty hot as a vulcan, yeah
[02:04] <agentc0re> I see a lot of movies coming from this.  I just hope the same people are in them and JJ directs it again.
[02:04] <Urchlay> Sylar as Spock, the guy from Shawn of the Dead as the engineer?
[02:04] <antler> agentc0re: i wish they would make a movie from 'enterprise'
[02:05] <eviljames> simon pegg was great as scotty heh
[02:05] <Urchlay> he was great in shawn of the dead too
[02:05] <agentc0re> eviljames++
[02:05] <antler> agentc0re: who's JJ?
[02:05] <eviljames> agentc0re: k, was I the only one who thought bones was eerie?
[02:05] <antler> J. Jonah Jameson?
[02:06] <eviljames> j. jonah jabrhamson
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[02:06] <Urchlay> J. Jonah Jameson isn't a director... though he was played by the director's brother in the spiderman movies
[02:06] <eviljames> that was Sam Raimi's brother?
[02:06] <agentc0re> eviljames: Dude, he was awesome.  I liked how he played that character but i couldn't help keep picturing him in doom.  lol
[02:07] <antler> Urchlay: lol i know
[02:07] <slackmagic> firebird619: PM?
[02:07] <eviljames> agentc0re: hahah I never saw doom so I didn't have that effect.
[02:07] <agentc0re> jj abrams http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0009190/
[02:07] <eviljames> agentc0re: I thought he was just impossibly accurate.
[02:07] <agentc0re> eviljames: Heh, doom was a funny but good movie.  i totally bought it.
[02:07] <eviljames> possibly... too accurate.
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[02:08] <antler> oh, he produced 'star trek' the movie
[02:08] <Urchlay> doom, the movie? ugh
[02:08] <antler> huge difference between 'directed' and 'produced'
[02:08] <antler> imo
[02:09] <Urchlay> that could have been good if it'd been done camp style, like the evil dead movies
[02:09] <eviljames> agentc0re: also, this movie like you mention is sequel central.  whole new series is inbound.
[02:09] <agentc0re> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/fullcredits#cast  It says "directed by" right on the damn page!
[02:10] <agentc0re> I believe all of the internets, you must be wrong. :P
[02:10] <firebird619> slackmagic: sure
[02:10] <firebird619> Hey agentc0re
[02:10] <firebird619> Hi antler
[02:11] <antler> agentc0re: oh, it seems that he directed and produced it
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[02:13] <antler> wow a pretty hot uhura
[02:14] <Urchlay> the doom movie suffered from... I dunno what the name is for this syndrome, but... where the characters find themselves in a horror-movie situation, and they all act like they've never seen a horror movie before
[02:14] <antler> omfg. NOT that guy for sulu. damn.
[02:15] <firebird619> lol
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[02:17] <nix_chix0r> yay
[02:18] <firebird619> Hey nix_chix0r. How are you?
[02:19] <nix_chix0r> honey im home
[02:19] <nix_chix0r> :)
[02:19] <firebird619> lol, and you shrunk the kid?
[02:20] <antler> Urchlay: dumbass-syndrome?
[02:20] <nix_chix0r> :P
[02:21] <antler> 'gee, this corridor looks scary as hell, but i'll mosy on through hoping that michael myers is NOT there holding a huge knife"
[02:22] <Urchlay> yeah... "Friday the 13th syndrome" maybe
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[02:22] <Urchlay> when the guy gets bit by a zombie, even the stupidest people in the audience knew he was about to turn into a zombie
[02:22] <antler> michael myers meets crocodile dundee. "that's not a knife. there, now that's a knife"
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[02:22] <Urchlay> but the highly-educated scientists & doctors in the movie don't know it...
[02:23] <antler> yeah, there's only so much suspension of disbelief a guy can do
[02:24] <nix_chix0r> another happy day at the office
[02:24] <Urchlay> which is one reason I liked Farscape a lot
[02:24] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: good to hear. :)
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[02:24] <Urchlay> the guy's from earth, gets whisked off into space and finds out there are aliens... so he's constantly making star trek jokes, stuff like that
[02:24] <antler> 'the shining' is proably one of my all-time favs in that genre
[02:25] <Urchlay> ah, the original, not the remake, right?
[02:25] <nix_chix0r> i'm eating coleslaw and potato salad for dinner. it's one of those nights where you have "mustgoes"
[02:25] <antler> the original. i haven't seen the remake
[02:26] <Urchlay> me either
[02:26] <Urchlay> saw the remake of "psycho" and that turned me off to remakes in general
[02:26] <Hakudoshi> the original is the only good one
[02:26] <Hakudoshi> The new Star Trek is good tho
[02:26] <nix_chix0r> i was curious about the new star trek movie
[02:27] <Urchlay> (except I like the 1970s remake of "invasion of the body snatchers" and the modern "Charlie and the chocolate factory" with Johnny Depp is OK)
[02:27] <antler> Urchlay: you've seen 'bug', yeah? same guy who did 'the exorcist'
[02:27] <Urchlay> not seen "bug"
[02:27] <Hakudoshi> never heard of Bug
[02:27] <Hakudoshi> besides the Sega Saturn game
[02:28] <antler> worth the trip to blockbusters, imo
[02:28] <Hakudoshi> who actually goes to blackbusters?
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[02:28] <Hakudoshi> netflix ftw
[02:28] <Urchlay> I used to, to buy used DVDs
[02:28] <Hakudoshi> or blockbusters online
[02:29] <antler> ooooo 'blackbusters' would not be popular in tha hood
[02:29] <Hakudoshi> err
[02:29] <Urchlay> but they offloaded the used-DVD department into a separate business, and doubled/tripled the prices, so screw that
[02:29] <Hakudoshi> Blockbusters :P
[02:30] <Hakudoshi> dunno where i got Blackbusters from
[02:30] <Hakudoshi> lol
[02:30] <antler> Hakudoshi: maybe you're like brian from the family guy
[02:30] <Hakudoshi> I'm not a dog
[02:30] <Urchlay> haha, I remember that
[02:30] <Hakudoshi> FG isn't even funny
[02:31] <Urchlay> eh, occasionally it is
[02:31] <Hakudoshi> it's filth!
[02:31] <Urchlay> filth can be funny though
[02:31] <Hakudoshi> and ruining our children!
[02:31] <Hakudoshi> or smthin
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[02:32] <Urchlay> anyone dumb enough to think Family Guy is a kid's show...  probably has kids too dumb to get the jokes anyway
[02:32] <Hakudoshi> all toons are for kids!
[02:32] <Urchlay> (and you have to be just about a vegetable to not get some of the "jokes"...)
[02:32] <firebird619> lol
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[02:33] <antler> well the 90s people probably won't get the plethora of 80s references
[02:33] <Urchlay> yeah
[02:33] <Hakudoshi> i'm 80s
[02:33] <Hakudoshi> well 70s i guess
[02:34] <Hakudoshi> but i don't remember alot of the 70s
[02:34] <Urchlay> Hakudoshi: because you were a little kid, or because you were stoned for the entire decade? :)
[02:34] <antler> Hakudoshi: you're not 80s unless you know on what did we build this city.
[02:34] <Hakudoshi> little kid
[02:34] <Hakudoshi> on rock'n'roll
[02:34] <Hakudoshi> i hate that song
[02:35] <antler> hahah
[02:35] <Hakudoshi> Jefferson Starship or smthin
[02:36] <antler> oh yeah? what song was playing when molly ringwald's character walked in to her grad wearing a dress she had made? :P
[02:37] <rk4n3> Starship (a late incarnation of Jefferson Starship)
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[02:37] <Hakudoshi> Airplane you mean
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[02:37] <rk4n3> Jefferson Airplane changed to Jefferson Starship first
[02:37] <rk4n3> ... then to just Starship
[02:37] <Hakudoshi> I didn't watch those Pretty in Pink crap movies
[02:38] <Hakudoshi> John Houston or whatever his name was
[02:38] <Hakudoshi> Hughes
[02:38] <Hakudoshi> or smthin
[02:38] <Hakudoshi> John Hughes
[02:38] <rk4n3> John Cusack, maybe ?
[02:38] <Hakudoshi> think i only like The Breakfast Club
[02:39] <Urchlay> I never saw "pretty in pink" or "the breakfast club" until like 2003
[02:39] <rk4n3> don't forget "Sixteen Candles"
[02:39] <Hakudoshi> i saw it on VHS back in the day
[02:39] <nooper> Grosse Point Blank was awesome
[02:39] <rk4n3> the Brat Pack
[02:39] <Urchlay> at the time "the breakfast club" came out, I was still in high school, I didn't really want to watch a movie about saturday detentions, I saw too much of the real thing
[02:39] <antler> haha 16 cancles
[02:39] <rk4n3> lol
[02:39] <antler> i remember that one
[02:40] <rk4n3> 16 cankles ?
[02:40] <Hakudoshi> 1986 i was in Middle school
[02:40] <rk4n3> heh
[02:40] <antler> 16 candles
[02:40] <antler> typo
[02:40] <rk4n3> yeah, I know - it was a great typo though :)
[02:40] <Hakudoshi> I was 13 so 7th grade
[02:40] <antler> yeah. '16 cankles: a jenny craig special'
[02:40] <rk4n3> lol
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[02:41] <nix_chix0r> cankles are the new black
[02:41] <Urchlay> what was the other one? "Heathers"?
[02:41] <rk4n3> St. Elmo's Fire
[02:41] <Hakudoshi> hated that movie
[02:41] <Hakudoshi> i think
[02:41] <antler> oh man....this is taking me way back
[02:41] <Hakudoshi> or thought it was boring
[02:41] <Urchlay> actually kinda liked it (again, didn't see it until like 2003 or so)
[02:42] <Hakudoshi> one of the two
[02:42] <antler> 'gonna be your man in motion, all i need is a pair of wheels'
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[02:42] <rk4n3> heh
[02:42] <Urchlay> there was a caveman movie out around the same time, "Quest for Fire"... always thought they should do a "Quest for St. Elmo's Fire"
[02:42] <Hakudoshi> I like The Last Starfighter for some reason
[02:42] <Hakudoshi> liked*
[02:42] <rk4n3> St. Elmo's Fire just carried the stereotype/archtype schtick of the Brat Pack to its "next level"
[02:43] <Hakudoshi> liked the Karate Kids (1 and 2)
[02:43] <Hakudoshi> 3 and next are horrible
[02:43] <rk4n3> Karate Kid (1) is probably one of the more timeless movies from the 80's
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[02:44] <antler> karate kid 1, yeah.... totally 80s
[02:44] <Hakudoshi> one of the 80s classics
[02:44] <Hakudoshi> Short Circuit was cool too
[02:45] <rk4n3> it was OK, in a sort of "rated G" sense ... a little too naive for me
[02:45] <Hakudoshi> i dunno i thought it was cool at the time
[02:45] <Urchlay> The Last Starfighter was great
[02:45] <Hakudoshi> still enjoy it tho
[02:45] <Urchlay> also Tron
[02:45] <Urchlay> and War Games
[02:45] <rk4n3> I like The Last Starfighter alot
[02:45] <Hakudoshi> The Last Starfighter i loved
[02:45] <rk4n3> oooo... war games .... awesome
[02:46] <Hakudoshi> i saw it like 13 times in the theater
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[02:47] <Urchlay> War Games, I remember liking it a lot, but when I first saw it, I noticed something...
[02:47] <Hakudoshi> War Games was grear
[02:47] <Hakudoshi> tho never saw it the Theater
[02:47] <Urchlay> at the start of the movie, he makes a big deal out of hooking up a speech synth to his computer, so it can tale
[02:47] <Hakudoshi> saw it on HBO or smthin
[02:47] <Urchlay> talk
[02:47] <Hakudoshi> Urchlay, maybe it was a big deal in the early 80s
[02:47] <Urchlay> later on, when he's captured by the army or whoever, he uses a terminal in someone's office, and it talks with the same voice
[02:48] <rk4n3> Urchlay:  yeah, that was weird to me too
[02:48] <antler> ferris buehler' day off, speaking aobut mathew broderick
[02:48] <Urchlay> good one
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[02:48] <Hakudoshi> good movie
[02:48] <Hakudoshi> Legend
[02:49] <Hakudoshi> was aweful
[02:49] <antler> was that the one with david bowie?
[02:49] <Hakudoshi> tho i liked it when i was young
[02:49] <Hakudoshi> Tom Cruise
[02:49] <rk4n3> David Bowie was in Labyrinth
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[02:49] <antler> i know he did one called 'labarynth' or something like that
[02:50] <antler> yeah
[02:50] <Urchlay> Legend, IIRC, was awful because there was a fire in the studio and a huge chunk of the film got destroyed
[02:50] <rk4n3> wow, I never knew that
[02:50] <antler> the same fire that caught michael jackson's hair while doing the pepsi commercial? :P
[02:50] <Urchlay> they didn't have the budget to re-shoot, so a lot of it was out-takes or just plain missing
[02:51] <rk4n3> I always just assumed that Legend was just as close as Hollywood could get to a Lord-of-the-Rings-type film at the time
[02:51] <Urchlay> isn't that the same movie that has Tim Curry as Satan? I might be mis-remembering
[02:51] <rk4n3> Yeah, Tim Curry was awesome in that moive
[02:51] <rk4n3> movie
[02:51] <Hakudoshi> Urchlay, yes
[02:51] <Hakudoshi> Tim Curry made a good Satan
[02:52] <Hakudoshi> that was the only good in that movie
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[02:52] <antler> heh not as good as al pacino
[02:52] <rk4n3> actually, the creature effects were all good - goblin makeup was excellent
[02:52] <slackytude> morning
[02:52] <Urchlay> DeNiro makes a pretty scary Satan too (Angel Heart)
[02:52] <slackytude> y0 rk4n3
[02:52] <slackytude> long time no see
[02:52] <antler> something special about al
[02:52] <Hakudoshi> Best Satan is on CW
[02:53] <rk4n3> hey slackytude - what's happnin :)
[02:53] <Hakudoshi> Reaper
[02:53] <Urchlay> CW?
[02:53] <antler> Urchlay: yeah, that fscking egg-eater
[02:53] <Hakudoshi> CW network
[02:53] <Urchlay> no idea
[02:53] <Hakudoshi> the station nobody watches
[02:53] <Urchlay> apparently not
[02:53] <slackytude> rk4n3, not much, just working or studying. no rest for the tired. how about you?
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[02:53] <Hakudoshi> they have that crappy superman show
[02:53] <Hakudoshi> smallville
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[02:53] <Urchlay> superman's lame anyway
[02:54] <rk4n3> slackytude:  same mostly - work piled on top of more work
[02:54] <antler> i'm interested -----> all-time best flick, any genre?
[02:54] <Hakudoshi> Superman 2 was good
[02:54] <Urchlay> how can you be a hero if you're invulnerable? you're not risking your life and limb...
[02:54] <antler> krytonite
[02:54] <rk4n3> antler:  really hard question to answer
[02:54] <slackytude> rk4n3, anything interest?
[02:54] <antler> kryptonite
[02:54] <Hakudoshi> Urchlay, you're a hero for saving other people's life
[02:54] <antler> rk4n3: yeah, depends a lot on mood, i guess
[02:54] <ttyX> Batman ftw!
[02:55] <Hakudoshi> which Batman
[02:55] <rk4n3> slackytude:  well, I could tell you a saga of a struggle with a storage array I've had, but that might be a little boring :)
[02:55] <antler> oh man only the last two batmans were good
[02:55] <Urchlay> yeah. Kryptonite = parts of the planet Krypton. How big was that planet, how far away was it, that *so frigging much* kryptonite made its way to Earth after it blew up?
[02:55] <Hakudoshi> Star Wars nerd will say Star Wars The Empire Strikes back
[02:55] <ttyX> Batman Begins & TDK
[02:55] <Urchlay> antler: "All time best" is difficult to decide
[02:55] <rk4n3> antler:  yeah, and there's so many movies that I love for quite different reasons, too
[02:56] <antler> yeah. a guy in tights who flies around wearing a red cape and has a big s on his chest.
[02:56] <rk4n3> I'd have to say the LOTR trilogy must be up at the top somewhere
[02:56] <Hakudoshi> LOTR isn't on my top 10
[02:56] <Hakudoshi> tho it was ok
[02:56] <Urchlay> currently I'd want to put Watchmen in the top 10, but I might not think that if you ask me again in a year or two
[02:56] <Hakudoshi> hell i don't even know what would i consider my fav movie
[02:56] <Urchlay> (I'd definitely put the Watchmen comic in the top 10 books though)
[02:57] <ttyX> for me spiderman is the lamest of em all :p
[02:57] <Hakudoshi> Spiderman was ok
[02:57] <Hakudoshi> better than superman 1 3 4 5 returns
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[02:57] <Hakudoshi> superman 2 was the only good superman movie
[02:57] <antler> was that when he gave up his powers for lois?
[02:57] <Hakudoshi> superman 3 was only watchable cause of Richard Pryor
[02:57] <antler> and got beat up in a bar?
[02:57] <antler> lol
[02:57] <Urchlay> which one had Richard Pryor making fake kryptonite out of cigarette tar? That one was bad, but funny
[02:58] <Hakudoshi> Superman 3
[02:58] <rk4n3> Twelve Monkeys is one of my favorites
[02:58] <Urchlay> rk4n3: good one!
[02:58] <Hakudoshi> One of the worse movie of the 80s == superman 4
[02:58] <rk4n3> :)
[02:58] <antler> rk4n3: yeah, brad pitt movies are usually good
[02:58] <antler> he was in that, right?
[02:59] <Hakudoshi> He-Man was pretty aweful too
[02:59] <rk4n3> antler:  yeah, and he does a really great job in that one too
[02:59] <Hakudoshi> Worse movie of all time?
[02:59] <rk4n3> antler:  though Bruce Willis shines as well
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[02:59] <Hakudoshi> Street Fighter: The legend of Chun Li
[02:59] <Urchlay> Rocky Horror Picture Show has got to be high up on the "worst ever" list
[02:59] <rk4n3> I think Buckaroo Bonzai is one of the worst movies ever
[02:59] <ttyX> Hakudoshi, maybe u haven't seen the DBS movie yet?
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[02:59] <ttyX> DBZ*
[02:59] <Hakudoshi> Rocky Horoor is great
[03:00] <Hakudoshi> Horror
[03:00] <antler> haha
[03:00] <Hakudoshi> if you're on drugs
[03:00] <ttyX> it sux balls
[03:00] <Urchlay> Rocky Horror is fun to go to, but not because the movie's any good
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[03:00] <Urchlay> (and actually maybe that's s/is/was/, last few times I've been to a showing of Rocky, it was pretty lame)
[03:00] <antler> wow too many bad ones to list
[03:00] <Hakudoshi> It's like listening to The Greatful Dead
[03:01] <Hakudoshi> you gotta be high
[03:01] <Urchlay> heh. Did anyone ever see the "Captain America" movie? one of the worst superhero movies ever...
[03:01] <Hakudoshi> same with Phish
[03:01] <rk4n3> haha - how about the KISS movie
[03:01] <rk4n3> that was lame
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[03:01] <antler> alright. best villain ever?
[03:01] <rk4n3> Hannibal Lector
[03:01] <Urchlay> I saw some animated "KISS vs. the phantom of the opera" once, it was pretty awful
[03:01] <ttyX> DBZ movie deserves negative rating
[03:02] <Hakudoshi> Joker
[03:02] <Urchlay> yeah, Lecter has to be pretty close to the best villain ever
[03:02] <antler> oh man the new joker. that dude was goooooood. he made that movie
[03:02] <Hakudoshi> both Jokers
[03:02] <Urchlay> Nicholson as the Joker was great
[03:02] <antler> nope. just the guy that died recently
[03:02] <Urchlay> haven't seen the new one yet
[03:03] <Hakudoshi> Keith Ledger
[03:03] <rk4n3> I haven't seen it yet either
[03:03] <antler> yeah
[03:03] <ttyX> Heath Ledger was gr8
[03:03] <rk4n3> Heath Ledger :)
[03:03] <Hakudoshi> Heath
[03:03] <Hakudoshi> whatever
[03:03] <Hakudoshi> the brokeback Mountain guy
[03:03] <ttyX> he ownz the whole movies :p
[03:03] <antler> rk4n3: Urchlay : oh man. he was quite awesome
[03:03] <ttyX> movie*
[03:03] <rk4n3> The Patriot was a great movie, too
[03:03] <rk4n3> (Heath Ledger did a great job in that one too)
[03:04] <Hakudoshi> he doesn't own at the movies
[03:04] <Hakudoshi> he's dead :|
[03:04] <antler> heh i'm surprised no one mention gene hackman as lex :P
[03:04] <Urchlay> on the subject of hannibal lecter (lector? I dunno)... did anyone besides me *really hate* the prequel that had his childhood & how he becamme a killer?
[03:04] <ttyX> Dragonball Evolution aka worst movie of all time
[03:04] <antler> Urchlay: that was disappointing
[03:04] <Hakudoshi> Hannibal?
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[03:05] <rk4n3> Urchlay:  I found it to be OK, but definitely not very mentionable
[03:05] <antler> some movies weren't meant to have sequels
[03:05] <antler> silence of the lambs is one of them, imo
[03:05] <firebird619> yo slackytude. How's it going?
[03:05] <Hakudoshi> Short Circuit 2
[03:05] <Hakudoshi> horrible
[03:05] <antler> though the prequel was pretty good
[03:05] <firebird619> slackmagic: Here's a really nice flux desktop imo: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2928850755_2e4fa55ce8_o.jpg
[03:05] <slackytude> rk4n3, nothing to fancy then
[03:05] <Urchlay> I mean, in the first however many movies, he's evil, and you get the impression that he chooses to be evil, which makes him more scary... instead, in the prequel, it's "Poor Hannibal was abused/tortured as a kid, he can't help being insane"...
[03:05] <Hakudoshi> Star Trek V
[03:06] <slackytude> firebird619, good morning. Im fine, how do you do?
[03:06] <rk4n3> slackytude:  not really :)
[03:06] <firebird619> slackytude: doing very well, thanks.
[03:06] <ttyX> some movie sequels were simply better than the originals
[03:06] <antler> Urchlay: the prequel was called 'manhunter'
[03:06] <ttyX> Godfather is one of them
[03:06] <Hakudoshi> Wrath of Khan
[03:06] <Urchlay> ttyX: Star Trek II vs. I, you mean?
[03:06] <firebird619> slackytude: I'm on flux now getting it nice and customized.
[03:06] <slackytude> firebird619, seems like nobody noticed me missing
[03:06] <Urchlay> antler: no, the pre-prequel then, the one where he's a little kid at the beginning
[03:06] <slackytude> firebird619, traitor! ;)
[03:06] <slackytude> firebird619, any reason?
[03:07] <antler> Urchlay: that's the sequel, when that asian chick taught him the sword, no?
[03:07] <rk4n3> Hannibal Rising is a prequel
[03:07] <Urchlay> some people would say "The Empire Strikes Back" is better than the first "Star Wars"
[03:07] <Urchlay> but I'm not one of those people
[03:07] <rk4n3> ... prequel meaning its set before the events of any of the other movies
[03:07] <firebird619> slackytude: haha, just always wanted to get on flux and make a really nice setup and now I'm finally doing that.
[03:07] <Urchlay> yeah, "Hannibal Rising" is the one I meant, that I hated
[03:07] <antler> rk4n3: oh, i get it.
[03:08] <ttyX> Saw And Justice For All and I must say it's a highly underrated Pacino movie
[03:08] <antler> Urchlay: yeah, i would say 'empire' is better than 'star wars'
[03:08] <Urchlay> ttyX: I don't suppose the soundtrack is by Metallica? :)
[03:08] <antler> (thanks to harrison ford)
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[03:10] <slackytude> firebird619, if the new xfce does away with the right click menu I might switch as well
[03:10] <antler> man i remember thinking when hannibal escaped: "wow. what a great escape" :P
[03:10] <Urchlay> yeah, hannibal's one of the villains you want to see win, even though you know he's a bad guy...
[03:10] <antler> just like when neil's crew robbed the bank: "wow. what a great bank robbery"
[03:10] <Urchlay> like the Master, from Dr. Who. I always want to see him win...
[03:11] <ttyX> I like villains winning :p
[03:11] <firebird619> slackytude: gosh I hope it doesn't.
[03:11] <Urchlay> poor guy, he's been trying to take over the universe for like 1500 years, keeps getting thwarted by the same goody-goody enemy...
[03:11] <ttyX> heroes win ll the time and that sux
[03:11] <Urchlay> ttyX: seen (or read) "Watchmen"?
[03:11] <ttyX> yet to see
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[03:12] <ttyX> The International is also due
[03:12] <antler> i gotta rent that or something
[03:12] <antler> watchmen
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[03:12] <Urchlay> it's worth seeing. Was afraid it wouldn't be, but they did about as good a job as possible without making the movie 6 hours long
[03:12] <antler> i haven't even seen the comics
[03:13] <ttyX> never read comics anyways
[03:13] <Urchlay> heh. Far be it from me to suggest such a course of action, but if you went to a certain site and searched for "watchmen pdf", you might find a certain file...
[03:13] <antler> haha
[03:13] <ttyX> google :p
[03:14] <ttyX> scribd might be better
[03:14] <Urchlay> ttyX: Watchmen, the comic, is worth reading even if you don't normally like comics. It holds its own with any good science fiction book
[03:15] <slackmagic> firebird619: opps, didn't notice that you messaged me, yeah that's a nice screenshot, I believe I have already seen it though
[03:15] <ttyX> has anyone seen the new xmen movie?
[03:16] <firebird619> slackytude: Here's what I got atm, it seemingly changes quite often. :P http://imagebin.org/48858
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[03:16] <firebird619> slackmagic: Yeah, I kind of think I have in the past as well, but it looks quite nice.
[03:16] <slackytude> firebird619, I was pretty impressed with opera mail last night, btw
[03:16] <firebird619> slackytude: really, how so?
[03:16] <firebird619> I love opera mail. :)
[03:17] <firebird619> Hi Camarade_Tux
[03:17] <slackytude> firebird619, got an email with a bunch of attachments, nothing zipped. nice way they handled downloading them, I was pleasantly surpised
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[03:17] <antler> Urchlay: dood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Watchmencharacters.jpg <----- the guy kneeling looks like j jonah jameson
[03:17] <Camarade_Tux> hey firebird619 :)
[03:18] <antler> (in the spiderman cartoon)
[03:18] <firebird619> slackytude: It is very nice how opera handles that, several attachments and it brings up a window, you can pick and choose which ones you want and where you want them.
[03:18] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: How are you?
[03:18] <Camarade_Tux> antler, and the blond guy on the left looks like he has ********** ******** *** in the ***
[03:18] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, nice, thanks, and you ?
[03:19] <antler> Camarade_Tux: lol
[03:19] <antler> so true
[03:19] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: very well, thanks.
[03:19] <Urchlay> antler: yah, he does. I'm sure it's on purpose, too
[03:19] <antler> but back in the mid 80s... all the cartoon characters looked the same
[03:19] <Camarade_Tux> I don't want to do anything today, I don't way to go in school ! =/
[03:20] <slackytude> firebird619, aye
[03:20] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, morning
[03:20] <Urchlay> nah, read it. There's pretty much nothing in there that's not on purpose. It's partly a self-critical examination of the superhero comic genre
[03:20] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: skip a day. stay home and enjoy it. :P
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[03:20] <slackytude> yeah, skip a day
[03:20] <slackytude> did that last week ^-^
[03:21] <antiwire> get to school you damn slacker
[03:21] <firebird619> lol
[03:21] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, impossible, first course is English and I have something to show (and something to give the teacher that I haven't done)
[03:21] <slackytude> firebird619, thats conky on the left side?
[03:21] <slackytude> firebird619, very nice, btw
[03:21] <firebird619> slackytude: yup, conky.
[03:21] <Camarade_Tux> I find english courses really boring =/
[03:21] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, hey :)
[03:21] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: that's to bad. guess you have not choice.
[03:21] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: if you haven't done your homework, what's the point of going to class, if all you're going to do is say "Sorry, don't have it"
[03:21] <firebird619> s/not/no
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[03:22] <firebird619> slackytude: I downloaded all the flux styles from tenr.de, haven't really found that perfect one yet that makes me say "Wow, that's it."
[03:22] <Camarade_Tux> and the teacher wants me to sing in English because I spoke French last time
[03:22] <firebird619> haha, seriously?
[03:22] <slackytude> sing in english?
[03:22] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay, well, we're at most 15 in this class and we have to be there
[03:23] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, sing a song in English...
[03:23] <slackytude> 15, eh? not easy to hide
[03:23] <antler> Camarade_Tux: "i want it that way" backstreet boys?
[03:23] <slackytude> firebird619, whats the white security feed? also conky?
[03:23] <antler> just a suggestion
[03:23] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: which song?
[03:23] <firebird619> slackytude: yeah, diff of slackware changelog in conky. :)
[03:24] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, the one I want
[03:24] <slackytude> firebird619, different instance of conky?
[03:24] <masterx831> hey all
[03:24] <firebird619> those are accurate right now though, that one is just a test of diff.
[03:24] <Camarade_Tux> but I already told her "no way", I don't know if she still expect me to sing
[03:24] <masterx831> firebird619: what are you doing up so late
[03:24] <Camarade_Tux> hi masterx831
[03:24] <firebird619> masterx831: still messing with flux and chatting here. :)
[03:24] <Camarade_Tux> antler, certainly not...
[03:25] <firebird619> slackytude: each thing on there in conky is a separate conkyrc file called by a script.
[03:25] <antler> Camarade_Tux: or you can do "don't be cruel" by bobby brown and do the running man for the class
[03:25] <antler> i'd pay money to see that
[03:26] <masterx831> flux takes up alot of mem
[03:26] <Camarade_Tux> antler, how much ?
[03:26] <masterx831> only got 500mb here :P
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[03:26] <antler> Camarade_Tux: 10 pesos?
[03:26] <Camarade_Tux> antler, hmmm, ok, but I need you to give me the camcorder then :)
[03:27] <slackytude> antler, heh
[03:27] <antler> here, have my 1TB sony from japan
[03:27] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay, btw, I haven't done _all_ the homework, and the remaining part is a completely useless dumb writing and that's why I haven't done it, I couldn't get myself to write that
[03:28] <Camarade_Tux> antler, ok, I'll ship you the recording
[03:28] <slackytude> sounds like my work
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[03:28] <Camarade_Tux> not sure it will get to you if I pay one peso though
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[03:28] <antler> Camarade_Tux: honestly, i think you should do, "how will i know if he really loves me?" --whitney houston
[03:29] <firebird619> masterx831: flux doesn't take up much ram at all.
[03:29] <Camarade_Tux> antler, something by Celine Dion ?
[03:29] <slackytude> antler, why not go to school with a shootgun and go on a rampage.
[03:29] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: the titantic theme. :P
[03:29] <slackytude> antler, that would be more human
[03:29] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, yep, and with the choregraphy...
[03:29] <antler> Camarade_Tux: yeah, or that. stand up in front of the class do celine dion, stretch out your arms, and yell out "i'm free" when you're done
[03:29] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, lol ;p
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[03:30] <antler> slackytude: hahah
[03:30] <Camarade_Tux> antler, and undress and run naked ?
[03:30] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, obviously, you need to do MC Hammer
[03:30] <slackytude> break it down! hammertime
[03:30] <antler> slackytude: oh yeah
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[03:30] <Camarade_Tux> I thought about singing Apocalyptica =)
[03:30] <firebird619> can't touch this. :P
[03:31] <Camarade_Tux> it's very easy to sing, they don't sing :)
[03:31] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: Hey, they're good. Apocalyptica - I Don't Care. :)
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[03:32] <Camarade_Tux> I told the teacher I could thing if I had drunk enough but she told me we're not allowed to bring alcohol
[03:32] <antler> Camarade_Tux: or is it okay if you just hummed the theme from mash?
[03:32] <firebird619> haha
[03:32] <slackytude> I like the being drunk idea
[03:32] <firebird619> good grief, tenner's added more flux styles, I can't keep up.
[03:33] <Camarade_Tux> I think the answer is definitive : I won't sing anything at all :)
[03:33] <antler> she said that you couldn't bring any. that certainly doesn't mean you can't come bombed.
[03:33] <Camarade_Tux> well, I'd better move my ass or I'll be late and she'll give me some other stupid thing to do
[03:33] <firebird619> haha
[03:34] <Camarade_Tux> antler, yeah but the class is located on the third floor (or fourth if you're American) and I'd have to take the stairs :D
[03:34] <slackytude> see ya Camarade_Tux
[03:34] <firebird619> then you'd have to sing 2 songs.
[03:34] <Camarade_Tux> plus I hadn't planned it would be my first course ;)
[03:34] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, hmmm, let me think a bit about that ;)
[03:34] <antler> dood. don't miss your chance to shine
[03:34] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: haha. Sing whatever song it is "The best things in life are free" :P
[03:34] <slackytude> damn customers
[03:35] <antler> omg. i would seriously do "rock lobster" by peter griffin.
[03:35] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: does France have something like American Idol. Go audition. :P
[03:35] <antler> that song kicked ass
[03:37] <antler> Camarade_Tux: here are the lyrics, if you share my enthusiasm http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/f/family_guy/rock_lobster.html
[03:39] <firebird619> Wow, I have about 100 or so flux styles now. :)
[03:39] <frullet> everybody had matching towels
[03:39] <frullet> firebird619: real men only use the defaults ;)
[03:39] <firebird619> haha, the default sucked imho
[03:40] <Camarade_Tux> frullet, that would be fluxbox's default theme, it definitely sucks !
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[03:40] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: you use flux?
[03:40] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, no, but the look is why I don't use it ;)
[03:41] <frullet> Camarade_Tux: your one of those...
[03:41] <frullet> *shuns*
[03:41] <antler> haha
[03:41] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: if you ever try it again, check out tenner's styles at tenr.de. AMAZING.
[03:41] <Camarade_Tux> (yeah, I know, with my current settings, I don't see anything from the theme but...)
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[03:43] <firebird619> yo antler. How goes it?
[03:44] <antler> yo firebird619. everything's kool and the gang. wassup with you?
[03:44] <firebird619> nothin much, just working on getting flux how I want.
[03:45] <firebird619> I've pretty much gave up with freebsd and the mouse issue. :)
[03:45] <antler> quitter.
[03:45] <antler> :P
[03:46] <firebird619> antler: think about it, I quit freebsd. I'm still on slackware. :P
[03:46] <firebird619> slackmagic: tenner even has his conkyrc file and everything on there.
[03:46] <antler> you're better than i, who quit before he started
[03:47] <firebird619> haha
[03:47] <firebird619> gosh, what tenner can do is insane, it's amazing.
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[03:49] <slackmagic> firebird619: yep i know that he keeps his config files online :)
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[03:49] <firebird619> slackmagic: I was just looking through them, he does some amazing stuff.
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[03:51] <firebird619> slackmagic: he's got some nice irssi themes as well.
[03:52] <macman__> hey all
[03:52] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, I could maybe sing Rammstein, Die Apokalyptischen Reiter, Die Töten Hosen or Die Ârzte
[03:52] <macman__> say i wanted to install a package from the dvd .. do i just do pkgtool and look for the package ?
[03:53] <Camarade_Tux> macman__, pkgtool /mnt/dvd/slackware/ap/Idontknowhy<TAB>.tgz
[03:53] <Camarade_Tux> s/pkgtool/installpkg/ sortty
[03:53] <Camarade_Tux> *sorry
[03:53] <Camarade_Tux> too early in the morning (I know it's nearly 10)
[03:54] <firebird619> brb, changed irssi theme. :)
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[03:55] <firebird619> back.
[03:55] <macman__> Camarade_Tux: i have a /mnt/dvd but for some reason its not /mnt/dvd/slackware
[03:55] <macman__> i have the dvd in already
[03:55] <firebird619> Hmm, it didn't change. I must have something else set wrong or something.
[03:55] <Camarade_Tux> macman__, that was just an example, where have you mounted the dvd ?
[03:55] <macman__> looking
[03:56] <firebird619> Ah, the color's are different because I have that set differently. Ugh, I'd have to start a brand new irssi config for it to work.
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[03:59] <macman__> Camarade_Tux: its on /media/slackdvd/slackware
[04:00] <firebird619> so installpkg /media/slackdvd/slackware/directory_here/package
[04:00] <Camarade_Tux> I'm going to have not to say "package.tgz" anymore ;p
[04:00] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, somehow this sentence sounds wrong...
[04:01] <macman__> isn't bitchx on the dvd
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[04:02] <firebird619> bitchx is probably on the dvd, but bitchx is EOL'd
[04:03] <macman__> what is eold .. firebird619 im just testing how to use slackware before i actually install it .. im running slackware in virtualbox
[04:03] <firebird619> end of life'd. It won't be supported any more starting with -current and future releases iirc.
[04:03] <Camarade_Tux> macman__, see http://www.slackware.com/security/viewer.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009&m=slackware-security.285737
[04:03] <Shingoshi> firebird619: I'm running at 3.11GHz. And my cores are basically flat at 33C.
[04:03] <firebird619> Shingoshi: nice.
[04:03] <Shingoshi> Only one core is always at 40C.
[04:04] <firebird619> that's not bad. That really helpd.
[04:04] <firebird619> helped
[04:04] <Shingoshi> I'm pleased with every little bit of increase.
[04:04] <firebird619> indeed. congrats. :D
[04:05] <Shingoshi> The seems almost counterintuitive. But the higher the speed, the less effort to process, the lower the temps are in result.
[04:05] <firebird619> WOW, I just found a perfect wallpaper that works with my flux config. YAY
[04:05] <Shingoshi> Good!
[04:06] <Shingoshi> Now that I'm happier, I should go to bed.
[04:06] <firebird619> haha, it's bed time here too. 03:01
[04:07] <macman__> Camarade_Tux: so i just did a installpkg /media/Slackdvd/slackware/n/BitchX
[04:07] <macman__> how do i remove it .. removepkg /bin/BitchX didn't work
[04:07] <Shingoshi> EST?
[04:07] <firebird619> CST
[04:07] <firebird619> macman__: removepkg
[04:07] <macman__> yea
[04:07] <Camarade_Tux> macman__, you can only install something that end in .tgz for now
[04:07] <Shingoshi> Oh yeah. I wasn't paying attention.
[04:07] <macman__> i did that
[04:07] <Camarade_Tux> and 'removepkg bitchx' (don't know the caps)
[04:07] <Camarade_Tux> have to go now, laterz =)
[04:07] <firebird619> removepkg /var/log/packages/bitchx-whatever the rest is.
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[04:08] <macman__> ok
[04:08] <macman__> wow i need to learn this
[04:08] <firebird619> Later guys. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Take care.
[04:08] <Shingoshi> firebird619: I can't believe this. My board temps are 20C lower than the highest I ever saw recorded.
[04:08] <firebird619> wow
[04:08] <Shingoshi> yay
[04:09] <firebird619> well, that new stuff sure paid off. :)
[04:09] <Shingoshi> Really amazing
[04:09] <Shingoshi> I guess so!
[04:09] <firebird619> Well, I gotta get going.
[04:09] <firebird619> Good Night Shingoshi
[04:09] <Shingoshi> ok
[04:10] <Shingoshi> Hi fred!
[04:10] <firebird619> have fun macman__, good luck. :)
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[04:12] <macman__> hey all .. earlier i was pointed to slackbuilds.org .. do i need that website .. if so why ?
[04:12] <antiwire> i told you.
[04:12] <macman__> if its not in the repo or something right ?
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[04:13] <antiwire> you were looking for a tool that doesn't come in the distribution.
[04:13] <macman__> antiwire: what if i find a pkg / tgz on the internet
[04:13] <antiwire> who built it?
[04:13] <macman__> don't know im throwing it out there
[04:14] <Zordrak> macman__: throw yourself out there
[04:14] <antiwire> do you think that installing random packages from unknown sources is good?
[04:14] <macman__> antiwire: of course not .. i do research on them etc ..
[04:16] <macman__> nite all
[04:16] <tank-man> still not clear?
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[04:16] <tank-man> :)
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[04:18] <slackytude> funny shit
[04:20] <tank-man> Offtopic, Im reading about how BSA calculates the number of cd burners in a "bust", a 40x cd burner is the equivalent of four 10x cd burners .. i love that line of reasoning :)
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[04:20] <elge_> hi there.  how to create an initrd.img like the one in isolinux/ ?
[04:20] Nick change: elge_ -> elge
[04:21] <tank-man> hi elge, I believe there is a program called mkinitrd that can help
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[04:23] <slackytude> one customer of us gets his budget doubled in some of his prjects
[04:24] <slackytude> looks like the software tries to convert the sums from DM to Euro, altho they have been entered as Euro
[04:25] <slackytude> elge, most cd burning apps allow you to write to an ISO instead of burning to disc
[04:25] <slackytude> like k3b and so on
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[04:33] <elge> slackytude & tank-man, I'm asking how to make a ramdisk initrd, not how to burn an iso
[04:34] <tank-man> $ apropos mkinitrd
[04:34] <tank-man> mkinitrd             (8)  - create or rebuilt an initrd (initial ramdisk)
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[04:59] <Guest17709> i there.
[05:00] <Guest17709> please can someone tell if i need to install slackware before gslac_ky
[05:01] <Guest17709> i mean i am a gnome user and i never tested slackware before
[05:01] <Guest17709> so i want to install gslacky
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[05:02] <frullet> its awful, trust me you dont want to!
[05:02] <slackytude> elge, sorry, I misread
[05:02] <Guest17709> but i looks like i need to install slackware first .. or not?
[05:03] <Guest17709> or could you please tell me if there is a gslacky channel to ask ?
[05:05] <Guest17709> hello?
[05:06] <Guest17709> slackytude can you tell me..?
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[05:26] <axept> Sorry for asking again but i could not find the answer yet
[05:26] <slackytude> axept, ?
[05:26] <alienBOB> axept: first install Slackware
[05:26] <axept> ok thanks
[05:26] <alienBOB> Gslacky is a Gnome *addon* for Slackware
[05:27] <axept> but that is goin to leave any kde packages?
[05:28] <alienBOB> Yes, so you should not install *all* of Slackware
[05:28] <alienBOB> It's all up to you
[05:28] <axept> ok thanks
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[05:53] <ttyX> 900 percent is some hell of a growth rate
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[05:54] <ttyX> Apple is gonna have hard time dealing with Google :p
[05:55] <The_Faithful> greeting
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[07:22] <The-Croupier> greetings
[07:22] <The-Croupier> hows it going today guys?
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[07:36] <ttyX> Intel fined $.145bn lol
[07:36] <ttyX> $1.45bn*
[07:36] <zmyrgel> Thats gotta feel great
[07:37] <ttyX> next up MS :D
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[07:45] Action: ttyX wonders how much of that amount will go to AMD
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[07:48] <feindbild> hello :)
[07:49] <feindbild> where can I send patches? ^^
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[07:49] <ttyX> what patches?
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[07:51] <reallove> hi ppl,what do you suggest for file transfer between 2 servers (gigabit link between them) ? it's about 1 file, larger than 2 GB . ftp or a nfs share ? which is faster ?
[07:51] <feindbild> ttyX: well ... 1.) bzip2smp support for makepkg which makes package creation faster on multicore systems compared to tgz/txz/..., and tiny patch for the openssh slackbuild to support hardware engines
[07:53] <ttyX> info@slackware.com?
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[07:56] <feindbild> ttyX: thanks, I'll try my luck ^^
[07:56] <ttyX> maybe alienBOB can help too
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[08:13] <pupit> do u guys like turtles? :)
[08:13] <pupit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPghUEw4VG8&NR=1
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[08:45] <Dominian> hahahahaha
[08:45] <Dominian> that scammer I emailed last night.. RESPONDED!
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[08:46] <Cann0n> hey
[08:46] <frullet> o/
[08:47] <frullet> Dominian: what did he say?
[08:48] <Dominian> he weants me to confirm my identity lol
[08:48] <Dominian> he sent me a jpg attachment of his "passport" so that I can trust him and know who I'm dealing with
[08:48] Action: Dominian is going to have to get creative with Gimp ;)
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[08:57] <RitualMast3r> hi all!
[08:57] <Cann0n> hey
[08:57] <RitualMast3r> what i need to install txz packages?
[08:57] <Dominian> -current
[08:57] <Dominian> If you're on anything other than -current .txz packages aren't going to work
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[08:58] <RitualMast3r> on 12.2?
[08:58] <alisonken1noc> -current != 12.2
[08:58] <RitualMast3r> but what i need to install them
[08:58] <RitualMast3r> i know
[08:58] <Zordrak> RitualMast3r: You
[08:58] <Zordrak> RitualMast3r: Don't.
[08:58] <alisonken1noc> check the changelog - it should have some notes in it somewhere :)
[08:58] <Dominian> RitualMast3r: You have quite a few things you'd have to build and upgrade to make it work.
[08:58] <RitualMast3r> :>
[08:59] <RitualMast3r> upgrading distro may help?
[08:59] <alisonken1noc> the easiest way to upgrade packages with .txz is d/l the -current test iso's and install on a test machine
[08:59] <RitualMast3r> :P
[08:59] <Dominian> RitualMast3r: there is going to be no real easy way
[09:00] <Zordrak> RitualMast3r: the question is WHY do you want txz packages?
[09:00] <Zordrak> you dont need them
[09:00] <RitualMast3r> because the newest Slack portred packages are in txz
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[09:01] <Zordrak> packages from who?
[09:01] <RitualMast3r> from official slack community
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[09:01] <Zordrak> *headdesk*
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[09:01] <alisonken1noc> the only official slack community I know of is slackware.com
[09:02] <Zordrak> There are 0 official packages for 12.2 in txz format
[09:02] <Zordrak> nill
[09:02] <Zordrak> nada
[09:02] <frullet> a face palm would have been more appropriate ;)
[09:02] <Zordrak> zilch
[09:02] <RitualMast3r> ya but..no matter :>
[09:03] <frullet> RitualMast3r: if your using anything other then -current, forget about *.txz packages, simple as that
[09:03] <RitualMast3r> or even use another version on installpkg?
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[09:05] <RitualMast3r> so i need to compile software myself then
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[09:06] <Zordrak> RitualMast3r: yes
[09:06] <Zordrak> RitualMast3r: using a slackbuild
[09:07] <Zordrak> RitualMast3r: whether one of pats, or on SlackBuilds.org or via sbopkg
[09:08] <RitualMast3r> :P
[09:08] <RitualMast3r> slackbuild nope...
[09:08] <Zordrak> ffs.. look.. what are you trying to build?
[09:08] <RitualMast3r> what are the optinals parameters to build a program for slack
[09:08] <Cann0n> lol
[09:09] <Cann0n> later dudes
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[09:09] <Zordrak> RitualMast3r: answer the question
[09:10] <RitualMast3r> Xfce 4.6.1
[09:10] <thrice`> you're building xfce on a live system ?
[09:10] <agentc0re> RitualMast3r: Depends, are you talking about ./configure options for the program itself or slackware options?  Because it's really going to differ from each script.
[09:11] <thrice`> xfce will spam your / partition.  I hope you ran the slackbuild from a chroot or so
[09:11] <RitualMast3r> i know configure options are different for each program
[09:11] <RitualMast3r> thrice` live cd?
[09:11] <RitualMast3r> agentc0re i mean common build parameters
[09:11] <RitualMast3r> for ex. prefix
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[09:12] <thrice`> of course you can't build from a liveCD
[09:12] <frullet> RitualMast3r: there defined within the slackbuild
[09:13] <thrice`> what is your end goal, to have xfce 4.6.1 for slackware 12.2 ?
[09:13] <RitualMast3r> thrice` i don't use livecd!
[09:13] <RitualMast3r> thrice` is it impossible
[09:13] <thrice`> is that what you want ?
[09:13] <RitualMast3r> yes?
[09:13] <thrice`> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/xfce46/xfce-4.6.1-i486-1_rlw.tgz
[09:13] <RitualMast3r> :>
[09:14] <thrice`> of course it's possible, but you need to actually say what you're trying to do
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[09:16] <ttyX> why not just install xfce 4.6.1 from current repo?
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[09:17] <RitualMast3r> tha'ts more like it!
[09:18] <thrice`> ttyX: because -current pacakges are compiled against -current libraries, not 12.2 libraries
[09:18] <thrice`> I thought you learned that awhile back ;)
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[09:18] <RitualMast3r> ;)
[09:18] <RitualMast3r> i see
[09:20] <ttyX> how come I never knew there existed something known as atunes
[09:21] Action: ttyX kicks himself
[09:21] <ttyX> though I don't like the name
[09:22] <ttyX> looks like an amarok clonedone in java
[09:22] <AzalynX_> I smell a lawsuit
[09:22] <ttyX> who cares Apple sux anways :p
[09:23] <ttyX> They all should learn something from Intel's EU case :p
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[09:23] <ttyX> $1.45bn fine lol
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[09:23] <AzalynX_> apple will just play the victim card.
[09:24] <Zordrak> 1.45bn EUR
[09:24] <AzalynX_> since they were almost dead just a little over decade ago or so
[09:24] <ttyX> nope
[09:24] <ttyX> USD
[09:24] <Zordrak> oh
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[09:25] <ttyX> but man when are they gonna get something like that in Asia
[09:25] <ttyX> Korea is the only country who took em on
[09:25] <AzalynX_> why does it matter?
[09:26] <ttyX> coz they play unfiar?
[09:26] <ttyX> unfair*
[09:26] <ttyX> fair competition is what I like
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[09:26] <ttyX> like Nvidia vs ATI
[09:27] <ttyX> MS is next I sense
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[09:29] <AzalynX_> hahaha
[09:29] <AzalynX_> nvidia v ati
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[09:30] <AzalynX_> just because they're both in the market, and still alive, that doesn't mean they are *fair*
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[09:30] <ttyX> none of em is a 'monopolist' atleast
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[09:31] <AzalynX_> If you want to eliminate monopolism
[09:31] <AzalynX_> You better be ready to eliminate capitalism.
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[09:32] <Zordrak> capitalism needs reworking to favour quality over price and morality over greed
[09:32] <Zordrak> IAIW
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[09:32] <dgdg> hi anyone use slackbuild gnome ?
[09:33] <dgdg> ive got an error when i startx  ....>>>  http://pastebin.com/m3ff3cc0f
[09:34] <AzalynX> Zordrak: impossible in my opinion
[09:34] <Zordrak> AzalynX: nothing is impossible.. just difficult or improbable
[09:34] <dgdg> libgio-2.0.so.0
[09:34] <AzalynX> ok.
[09:35] <AzalynX> it would be easier to make a functional socialist society, than a "moral capitalist" one.
[09:35] <Zordrak> yeah.. but suckier
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[09:38] <ttyX> atunes is flashy
[09:39] Action: ttyX is lovin atunes
[09:39] <Zordrak> better than Amarok?
[09:39] Action: ttyX still dislikes the name :p
[09:40] <_RadioHead> hi all
[09:41] <_RadioHead> hi Zordrak ttyX
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[09:44] <inahurry> hi, what is the preferred way of installing apache tomcat on slackware-current?
[09:45] <Dominian> There isn't one.
[09:45] <reallove> generally I install tomcat just downloading the precompiled binaries and that's it.
[09:45] <inahurry> great, thanks a lot : -)
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[09:47] <AzalynX> Zordrak: "functional" does not mean sucky.
[09:48] <AzalynX> capitalism is about money. not about fairness, the idea is everyone should be able to profit to the best of their abilities, if you have the ability to do something that someone else doesn't, market-wise, then OH WELL.
[09:48] <Zordrak> no.. socialist does
[09:48] <AzalynX> the system is *fundamentally* about money.
[09:48] <Zordrak> no
[09:48] <Zordrak> its about greed
[09:48] <AzalynX> cute.
[09:48] <Zordrak> and thats where the problem lies
[09:48] <AzalynX> those two are more or less the same
[09:48] <AzalynX> money leads to greed.
[09:49] <AzalynX> and there is no other way to do it
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[09:49] <AzalynX> as long as a society is built on the notion of scarcity, you will always have greed
[09:49] <AzalynX> and built on selective distribution of resources.
[09:49] <Zordrak> its that viewpoint that CAUSES the problem
[09:49] <ttyX> atunes is not better than amarok but for a java music player it's not bad at all
[09:49] <AzalynX> no it isn't.
[09:49] <AzalynX> that is reality
[09:49] <AzalynX> it isn't a viewpoint
[09:49] <Zordrak> money and greed can be separated
[09:50] <AzalynX> the fact of the matter is that our technology has given us a *virtual* abundance for nearly anything we need.
[09:50] <AzalynX> and yet, because of capitalism
[09:50] <Zordrak> to think otherwise is to continue to propagate a failed system
[09:50] <AzalynX> resources are still distributed as if scarcity applied.
[09:50] <inahurry> socialism is about greed? maybe I misunderstood you..
[09:50] <AzalynX> money is fundamentally attached to greed.
[09:51] <AzalynX> how can you have a fair society that is based on money and class?
[09:51] <ttyX> Power makes u corrupt
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[09:51] <inahurry> when you said "failed system", which system were you talking about?
[09:51] <AzalynX> in a society with money, you will *ALWAYS* have the rich and the middle class and the poor. always. you may be able to improve it, but you cannot remove class, if you do then it's communism, everyone having the same wealth
[09:51] <Zordrak> ttyX: Power alone does not
[09:52] <Zordrak> ttyX: only when combined with greed
[09:52] <ttyX> Absolute power is dangerous
[09:52] <Zordrak> ttyX: but in the rigt hands.. can be fruitful... the problem is the rarity of "right hands"
[09:53] <ttyX> true that
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[09:53] <AzalynX> Zordrak: that's still a failure of the system to anticipate human evil.
[09:53] <Zordrak> Might i suggest that Pat is one of those occurrences
[09:53] <AzalynX> in fact that is the same problem that communism/socialism has.
[09:53] <ttyX> Pat rulez!
[09:53] <ttyX> Pat for next President?
[09:53] <AzalynX> humanity breaks the system
[09:53] <inahurry> I wonder how many of you lived in eastern bloc before 89-91
[09:53] <ttyX> :p
[09:54] <AzalynX> because the system becomes corrupt
[09:55] <AzalynX> money --> class --> corruption
[09:55] <AzalynX> it won't suddenly stop working that way just because you enact some laws
[09:56] <AzalynX> good luck.
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[09:57] <Zordrak> AzalynX: you are being way too simplistic. None of those things lead to corruption on thir own. It is manipulation of the sytem by the greedy that causes that end.
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[09:57] <AzalynX> uh...
[09:57] <AzalynX> and that will never end
[09:58] <paissad> hi everybody !
[09:58] <AzalynX> you are deluded if you think you can create a capitalist society that cannot be manipulated
[09:58] <ttyX> The problem with humans are that they're way too intelligent
[09:58] <AzalynX> you have to remove the source of the problem
[09:58] <ttyX> is*
[09:58] <Zordrak> It will.. it will just take enough evolutionary change.. which unfortunately cannot be within our lifetime
[09:58] <AzalynX> ...
[09:58] <AzalynX> dude
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[09:59] <paissad> i have a problem after installing slackware, i have no /etc/lilo.conf (the setup endend succesfully and liloconfig too) ....i just have /etc/lilo-error-*****
[09:59] <Administrator__> what pros/cons to keep /tmp on separate partition?
[09:59] <paissad> here is his content http://pastebin.fr/4529
[09:59] <AzalynX> do you really understand where the world is headed right now?
[09:59] <paissad> can someone help me before i restart my system ....
[09:59] <AzalynX> capitalism *cannot* survive
[09:59] <AzalynX> the system doesn't *work* anymore
[09:59] <paissad> i just finished the installation
[09:59] <AzalynX> even if you could somehow ensure morality, which is not possible...
[10:00] <AzalynX> the economy simply cannot take it anymore.
[10:00] <AzalynX> each generation creates more debt, to pay off the debt of the previous generation
[10:00] <Zordrak> AzalynX: It's attitudes like that that cause unnecessary panic and violence
[10:00] <AzalynX> ...
[10:00] <AzalynX> It's not an attitude
[10:00] <AzalynX> it's MATH.
[10:00] <Zordrak> AzalynX: Capitalism has survived a very long time and has been through harder times than these
[10:01] <AzalynX> No it hasn't
[10:01] <AzalynX> It has *NEVER* been through harder times.
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[10:01] <AzalynX> EVER.
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[10:01] <AzalynX> First of all, can you name one job that a human performs, that cannot be automated by a machine?
[10:01] <paissad> btw, i would think that the device should be name like this /dev/mapper/VG_paissad_maxtor/usr_slack for example
[10:01] <paissad> am i wrong ?
[10:01] <AzalynX> And I don't mean today. I mean even in the future.
[10:01] <Zordrak> AzalynX: Go take your eleventy-ones to an economics professor and quit with the panic
[10:02] <paissad> not /dev/mapper/VG_paissad_maxtor-usr_slack
[10:02] <gnubien> AzalynX: no machine prostitutes yet ;)
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[10:02] <AzalynX> Maybe you should take your own advice. The economists are all saying the same thing.
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[10:02] <paissad> but when i created my pv,vg and lv ... (LVM) everything worked nice
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[10:02] <AzalynX> gnubien: like i said, even in the future.
[10:03] <AzalynX> Not a single task a human performs is immune to future automation.
[10:03] <gnubien> AzalynX: woody allen had an orgasmatron machine in one of his movies ;)
[10:03] <Zordrak> Soo.. capitalism is dead because in the future there might be robot prostitution?
[10:03] <bojevnik> yes they are
[10:03] <Zordrak> Have you heard yourself?
[10:03] <bojevnik> math:)
[10:03] <AzalynX> bojevnik: AI.
[10:04] <Zordrak> bojevnik: math is plural
[10:04] <Zordrak> mathematics -> maths
[10:04] <Zordrak> :)
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[10:04] <AzalynX> Zordrak: I didn't mention prostitution.
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[10:04] <AzalynX> Nor do I care about it.
[10:04] <AzalynX> Someone else mentioned that.
[10:05] <Zordrak> 15:02:17 < gnubien> AzalynX: no machine prostitutes yet ;)
[10:05] <Zordrak> 15:02:55 < AzalynX> gnubien: like i said, even in the future.
[10:05] <AzalynX> Maybe you should pay attention.
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[10:05] <paissad> nobody haven't any idea about what's wrong with my installation ? ..... even if setup finished successfully, ?
[10:05] <AzalynX> So?
[10:05] <AzalynX> I was answering him
[10:05] <AzalynX> I wasn't using it as an argument.
[10:05] <inahurry> bojevnik, where are you from?
[10:05] <bojevnik> slovenia
[10:05] Action: Zordrak *plonk*s AzalynX -- Ahh.. such peace and quiet...
[10:06] <AzalynX> The point is, if every job can be automated, and if machines are self-sustaining
[10:06] <ttyX> where's slovenia btw?
[10:06] <AzalynX> then there are no more jobs.
[10:06] <ttyX> is it near Russia?
[10:06] <Lexus1> no)
[10:06] <Lexus1> in the Europe
[10:06] <AzalynX> dude, this is common sense, if you are too deluded to see it, then i don't know what to say to you.
[10:06] <bojevnik> east of italy
[10:06] <Lexus1> the former Jugoslavia
[10:06] <bojevnik> south of austria
[10:06] <ttyX> my geography usx
[10:06] <inahurry> if you are old enough and been there while Tito was in power or if you are familiar with the subject, maybe you can tell AzalynX and Zordrak about how former yugoslavia (socialist country) had so much success
[10:07] <ttyX> sux*
[10:07] <inahurry> life standards equal to western economies
[10:07] <AzalynX> inahurry: are you being sarcastic?
[10:07] <inahurry> countries
[10:07] <AzalynX> or was it actually successful?
[10:07] <inahurry> no
[10:07] <inahurry> yes
[10:07] <AzalynX> and besides, i didn't diss socialism.
[10:07] <inahurry> until Tito's death, of course
[10:07] <Zordrak> inahurry: dont make me plonk you too
[10:07] <bojevnik> i was 8 when yugoslavia colappsed
[10:07] <AzalynX> zordak seems to be disfavoring it though.
[10:08] <bojevnik> now we have more technology and other stuff but more pore people and less healthcare
[10:08] <AzalynX> i said a proper socialist society might be easier than to 'fix' capitalism like Zordrak is suggesting. i said fixing capitalism will never work. heh
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[10:09] <ttyX> captalism is here to stay
[10:09] <AzalynX> it isn't.
[10:09] <AzalynX> it can't sustain itself anymore.
[10:09] <AzalynX> if you understood how the system works, you'd see why.
[10:09] <ttyX> system never works on its own
[10:09] <bojevnik> well most of sucessfull contries are capitalistic
[10:09] <bojevnik> i also cout china as capitalistic
[10:10] <ttyX> people make it work
[10:10] <bojevnik> and also make it fall
[10:10] <AzalynX> all money in circulation is created by banks who give out loans. the money is created through your guarantee to pay back the loan.
[10:10] <AzalynX> the trick however, is that the loan has interest. but only principle is created in society
[10:11] <ttyX> bojevnik, whatever goes up must come down
[10:11] <ttyX> it  applies to all countries
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[10:11] <AzalynX> so everyone in society has to pay back interest and principle, from a pool of money that consists only of principle.
[10:11] <AzalynX> principal** sorry. :|
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[10:11] <AzalynX> which is of course impossible
[10:12] <AzalynX> this means that there is *always* more debt in a society than there is actual real money in existence.
[10:12] <bojevnik> not everyone
[10:12] <AzalynX> and each generation, gets into more debt, to pay off the previous generation's debt.
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[10:12] <AzalynX> which.. creates more debt when that debt is paid off.
[10:13] <AzalynX> and it is exponential.
[10:13] <bojevnik> there just has to be enough of ppl that overpayed to cover for those who didnt
[10:13] <AzalynX> that is *not* sustainable
[10:13] <AzalynX> it *IS* going to crash.
[10:13] <AzalynX> bojevnik: dude.. you don't get it.
[10:13] <AzalynX> that money doesn't exist
[10:13] <AzalynX> the money to pay back the interest does not exist
[10:14] <AzalynX> the pool of money consists only of principal.
[10:14] <AzalynX> and yet, you have to pay both principal and interest.
[10:14] <AzalynX> hence, always more debt than there is real money.
[10:14] <bojevnik> you can "enlarge" pool of money
[10:15] <AzalynX> uh..
[10:15] <AzalynX> no.
[10:15] <AzalynX> unless you want to risk inflation.
[10:15] <bojevnik> atlhou that usualy lead to inflation
[10:15] <AzalynX> the banks control how much money there is.
[10:15] <AzalynX> the mint doesn't do *shit*
[10:15] <AzalynX> except make printed cash.
[10:15] <AzalynX> even then they usually follow the lead of banks.
[10:16] <bojevnik> doesnt goverment say how much money there will be printed?
[10:16] <inahurry> "Yugoslavia was resurrected again after the war by Josip Broz Tito  a Croat  who used communism and his charismatic personality to glue it back together. It was the most liberal of all communist countries, with a vibrant private sector, and it was relatively prosperous. At the time I was born, in the '60s, the living standard in Yugoslavia was about the same as in Greece and Spain, and...
[10:16] <inahurry> ...considerably higher than in Portugal. Unlike our East European neighbors, we could sample the Western lifestyle and were free to travel. With a Yugoslav passport, one could pass through the Berlin Wall as if it wasn't there, and we were equally welcome in Israel and Egypt."
[10:16] <inahurry> from Time'S
[10:18] <inahurry> I have friends from former yugoslavia one slovene, a croat and a serbian, one decade ago their people were at each other's throats after yugoslavia desintegrated and never agree on something except for one thing, that social and financial conditions under Tito's Yugoslavia were several times better than today
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[10:19] <inahurry> so if you want to build a fair and working system, start with the yugoslav one and patch it where it needs : -) it wasn'T perfect, but it was by far the most fair and efficient
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[10:22] <AzalynX> or just eliminate everything
[10:22] <AzalynX> heh
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[10:22] <AzalynX> i think opensource, the internet, and anonymous are a nice prototype personally.
[10:23] <inahurry> imperialist economies like US were jealous that a socialist economy like former yugoslavia's offered so much fairness and prosperity, so they killed it by imposing trade barriers :)
[10:23] <paissad> does slackware works nice if it's installed into a partition which is fully LVM ?
[10:25] <inahurry> AzalynX, are you a misanthrope? :D
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[10:25] <AzalynX> inahurry: hm? no.
[10:25] <AzalynX> why do you say that?
[10:25] <inahurry> you said eliminate anything
[10:26] <AzalynX> I'm talking about the current governments
[10:26] <AzalynX> eliminate them all.
[10:26] <inahurry> but if you are, it's ok, imo you're justified.. the world is a giant mess and needs to be cleaned
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[10:26] <AzalynX> and start from a new system
[10:26] <Zordrak> Less economics, more slackware
[10:26] <inahurry> it's not just the governments, it's the people, corporations, etc. too
[10:26] <AzalynX> inahurry: the people are starting to change.
[10:26] <inahurry> when you give people so many liberties, it be comes "free for all"
[10:27] <AzalynX> look at the situation with anonymous.
[10:27] <paissad> it's human nature .... the topic is closed :-)
[10:27] <AzalynX> and thepiratebay trial
[10:27] <AzalynX> the youth of today know their rights more than the previous generation
[10:27] <AzalynX> and the internet has given them *real* power.
[10:28] <paissad> please guys, can someone help me ? ....
[10:28] <paissad> does slackware work nice if it's installed into a partition which is fully LVM ?
[10:28] <paissad> because after the setup, my lilo.conf was not created
[10:28] <inahurry> I don't know paissad, I'm new to slackware myself
[10:29] <paissad> np
[10:29] <inahurry> run lilo maybe?
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[10:30] <inahurry> better yet, don't mind what I say, if you listen to me you'll probably end up with something broken : -)
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[10:30] <paissad> i got erros :), .....
[10:30] <inahurry> I'm still learning
[10:30] <paissad> don't worry, thanks !
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[10:31] <inahurry> http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README_LVM.TXT
[10:31] <inahurry> read section using LVM during Setup, maybe that will help
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[10:32] <inahurry> are you using 12.2?
[10:33] <paissad> inahurry, i did see that link yesterday
[10:33] <paissad> i followed that
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[10:44] <vald0r> I have a bash scripting question.  I have a sh script that calls an application that presents the user with a y/n question before in continues. is there a way i can pipe a y or n input to the application in the script to make it fully automated?
[10:44] <_arfon_> I've got a router behind a router.....
[10:44] <_arfon_> [looks around]
[10:45] <booteco> vald0r, You can use expect to do this
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[10:46] <thrice`> vald0r: check out this slackbuild:  http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/desktop/murrine/murrine.SlackBuild
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[10:48] <greymaus> how do you untar txz?
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[10:49] <greymaus> most of the program archives in slackware-current are *.txz
[10:49] <vald0r> thrice: Checking it out now. Looks like one awesome theme
[10:49] <Zordrak> greymaus: if you dont know about txz, you're accessing packages that you shouldnt be
[10:50] <thrice`> vald0r: nooo, I meant for the input that prompts the user ;)
[10:50] <vald0r> oooh
[10:50] <greymaus> already there, where I shouldn't be!
[10:50] <vald0r> I think i got the wrong slackbuild
[10:50] <BP{k}> Zordrak: well said.
[10:50] <greymaus> made a boo-boo this morning, so I decided to reinstall
[10:51] <greymaus> installed all right
[10:51] <vald0r> If anyone is keeping up with current make sure you install the new tgz's for pkgtool and xz so you can install the rest of the packages with slapt-get
[10:51] <vald0r> I noticed someone complaining earlier about the txz format not working thats why
[10:51] <greymaus> from the `dd if=usbboot.img of=/dev/sdb (USB stick)
[10:52] <BP{k}> vald0r: why should we care about how slapt-get handles things?
[10:52] <greymaus> booted all right
[10:52] <greymaus> is it for a uptodate sort of tar?
[10:53] <vald0r> just for anyone new who may try to install the new txz packages with an older version of installpkg and are getting an error
[10:53] <vald0r> anys back to my corner ;p
[10:54] <vald0r> anyways*
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[10:55] <greymaus> BP{k} because we can know what went wrong
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[10:59] <vald0r> exit
[10:59] <vald0r> opps
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[11:47] <arny> hello
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[12:03] <edman007> arny, hello
[12:03] <edman007> and i see some nice noobfarm quotes :)
[12:03] <edman007> http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1518 <- does not happen enough
[12:04] <_arfon_> I can't seem to get any of my conversations posted on noobfarm  :(
[12:04] <straterra> If they aren't funny, I reject them
[12:04] <_arfon_> Who do i have to pay off?
[12:04] <straterra> Me.
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[12:04] <_arfon_> :(
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[12:04] <_arfon_> I'll give ya a dollar...
[12:04] <edman007> _arfon_, you can pay me...
[12:05] <jeev> straterra is a lil wayne fan
[12:05] <edman007> though i offer no guarantees
[12:05] <edman007> other than the fact that i will try in accordance with my pay
[12:05] <_arfon_> You take pesos Edman007?
[12:05] <straterra> No
[12:05] <lee555J5> uhm, that's a hell no
[12:05] <edman007> if it can be converted to USD without legal trouble, yes
[12:06] <_arfon_> I might have a few thousand lira somewhere....
[12:06] <_arfon_> Oh well, one day I'll say something dumb enough to make it "on the 'farm"
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[12:11] <Camarade_Tux> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8047546.stm
[12:11] <edman007> intel deserves that
[12:12] Action: edman007 looks for a way to get some of that fine money
[12:12] <Camarade_Tux> edman007, like 1% ? ;p
[12:12] <edman007> Camarade_Tux, yea...more if possible
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[12:13] <Camarade_Tux> "antitrust infringement decisions against it now in Japan, Korea, and the EU, while the US authorities are investigating Intel"
[12:13] <macman_> hey all
[12:13] <Camarade_Tux> wow, from everywhere basically
[12:13] <Camarade_Tux> hey again macman_ :)
[12:13] <Camarade_Tux> edman007, 1% will be ok for me ;)
[12:13] <edman007> macman_, come here to give me money?
[12:13] <macman_> Camarade_Tux: your still up ?
[12:14] <macman_> lol edman007
[12:14] <edman007> Camarade_Tux, i will take what i can get
[12:14] <edman007> if i can get 50%, i'm taking it
[12:14] <macman_> new question today ...
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[12:15] <Camarade_Tux> macman_, yep :)
[12:15] <Camarade_Tux> but I live in France ;)
[12:15] <Camarade_Tux> edman007, he, I'll also take what I can get ;)
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[12:16] <macman_> installed slackware and my sound isn't working im getting a  Sound server error device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory)
[12:16] <macman_> should i just install alsamixer ?
[12:17] <compl3x> ran alsaconf?
[12:17] <macman_> im doing it now compl3x
[12:17] <compl3x> macman_: okay
[12:18] <macman_> im not getting the full feal of slack .. its installed in virtualbox
[12:18] <macman_> feel*
[12:18] <Camarade_Tux> sound is not guaranteed to work then
[12:18] <macman_> ok .. well i still need to get the basics before i put it on my main partition
[12:20] <macman_> guys i have parititoned my hd into 5 partitions .. 3 primary partitions 1 extended and 1 swap
[12:20] <macman_> will i be able to install 1 more and just point fstab to the swap partition installed alread ?
[12:20] <macman_> already*
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[12:21] <Zordrak> 4 primary parts is the max
[12:22] <macman_> http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4752/screenshotrootmacmanlap.png
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[12:22] <macman_> Zordrak: extended and swap shouldn't count right ?
[12:23] <Camarade_Tux> http://paste.lisp.org/display/80147
[12:23] <macman_> yea so i did cfdisk .. and shows only 3 primary's .. i should be good
[12:24] <macman_> lol Camarade_Tux very nice
[12:24] <macman_> look at all them window boxes
[12:24] <firebird619> Hey Camarade_Tux. How's it going? Did you have to sing in class then?
[12:25] <Camarade_Tux> macman_, one may go away, one is actually swap (for windows and I use the file for linux swap), and the two at the ends are test partitions iirc ;)
[12:25] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, :)
[12:25] <Camarade_Tux> didn't have to sing :)
[12:25] <Camarade_Tux> and how is it going for you ?
[12:25] <macman_> windows with swap ? wtf ?
[12:25] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: going great, thanks.
[12:25] <firebird619> :)
[12:26] <Camarade_Tux> macman_, pagefile.sys so it needs an ntfs partition
[12:26] <Camarade_Tux> have to go eat, bbl :)
[12:26] <firebird619> later Camarade_Tux
[12:27] <macman_> so say i parition out a hd for slackware right .. say 20 gigs ... in the setup will it find /dev/sda5 that has swap on it already ?
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[12:27] <firebird619> macman_: If you have a linux swap on it, slackware will see it.
[12:27] <macman_> ok another thing
[12:28] <macman_> ok .. good .. im just going to keep windows in virtualbox and make my paritions linux
[12:28] <macman_> ok thanks
[12:28] <macman_> bbs
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[12:29] <Necos> >.>
[12:29] <firebird619> Hi Necos. How are you?
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[12:31] <Necos> alright, altho i probably shouldn't be at work
[12:31] <Necos> i think i'm gonna fall asleep ^_^
[12:32] <firebird619> haha, can you go home early? :P
[12:33] <Necos> nope ;-;
[12:33] <Necos> coworker's are out 'cause of finals week
[12:33] <firebird619> that's to bad. how much longer do you have to work today?
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[12:38] <eviljames> I dunno about you guys, but I'm working for the next 8 hours :(
[12:39] <firebird619> haha, have fun eviljames. :)
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[12:41] <dartmouth> is there a place online that has up-to-date reference on all of the kernel options when compiling one of your own and a somewhat human description of how the options affect normal desktop users?
[12:42] <firebird619> I'm sure there is somewhere, just have to do some searching.
[12:42] <straterra> dartmouth: use the question mark key
[12:42] <straterra> It gives an explanation
[12:43] <dartmouth> yeaaaah.  those are uhm...haha I'm not really sure how to say this.
[12:43] <firebird619> Hi straterra. How's it going?
[12:43] <straterra> Hi
[12:43] <straterra> fine, you?
[12:43] <firebird619> doing great, thank you. :)
[12:43] <dartmouth> The descriptions that come with the kernel are tailored, I'm sure very well compared to what they could be, but I don't think they're right for general desktop users.
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[12:44] <straterra> General desktop users don't compile their own kernel
[12:44] <straterra> Also..it says "If unsure, pick foobar"
[12:44] <dartmouth> what makes you think general users dont want to compile their own kernel?
[12:45] <straterra> Because they have no business compiling their own kernel
[12:45] Action: edman007 slaps dartmouth 
[12:45] <straterra> Might as well go ask my mom to replace the head gasket in her buick
[12:45] <firebird619> Hey edman007.
[12:45] <firebird619> haha
[12:45] <edman007> hi
[12:45] <firebird619> edman007: How are you?
[12:45] <edman007> good
[12:45] <edman007> studying...
[12:45] Action: edman007 goes back to studying for finals
[12:45] <Necos> ya know straterra, it might happen >.>
[12:46] <straterra> maybe
[12:46] <straterra> I'd do it for her
[12:46] <straterra> I'd love to get my hands on that northstar
[12:46] <Necos> lol
[12:46] <firebird619> Some moms probably can replace the head gasket on their car.
[12:46] <straterra> eah
[12:46] <straterra> Yeah^
[12:46] <Necos> in a later report, straterra was arrested for joyriding
[12:46] <straterra> But not general usage moms :)
[12:46] <dartmouth> I get a sense that the general view on these things is that user levels are polarized-- you've got your lame desktop user who doesn't know much about it at all, then you've got your adept linux user who knows a little about modules, dependencies, userspace stuff and some infrastructure and good practices, and then -boom- you're at MIT and you're hacking up the kernel headers in C.  I don't think it should be so black and white
[12:46] <dartmouth>  between the latter user levels
[12:46] <straterra> Necos: I can joyride in my own car :O
[12:47] <edman007> straterra, your mom is very skilled
[12:47] <straterra> i know
[12:47] <Necos> dartmouth: that's how it works
[12:47] <Necos> because the kernel is complex... you don't want mere mortals fucking with it anyway
[12:48] <straterra> dartmouth: if you want to learn more about compiling kernels..make notes of shit you don't understand in menuconfig..and research it
[12:48] <edman007> my first time through menuconfig took me 3-4 hours, lol
[12:49] <Necos> my first make config took even longer than that =p
[12:49] <straterra> there ya go
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[12:50] <dartmouth> my issue is prerequisite learning when it comes to this stuff; I want to know what different options are actually doing, so I have to learn bash to be able to read a script (which I don't terribly want to know how to do), and all this :P
[12:50] <straterra> eh?
[12:50] <straterra> You dont need bash knowledge to understand kernel options
[12:50] <Necos> your issue is you don't want to read
[12:50] <dartmouth> Necos: exactly
[12:50] <straterra> I know shit about Bash..but I'm pretty damn good at compiling kernels
[12:50] <dartmouth> I'm practically illiterate as it is....
[12:50] <Necos> so, you're being a lazy fuck... sounds like a personal problem to me
[12:51] <straterra> But atleast you can make coffee!
[12:51] <dartmouth> I can.  And I have.  And I do.
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[12:53] <straterra> leave the kernel compiles to the rest of us
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[12:54] <Cann0n> meep!
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[12:54] <Necos> !peem
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[12:54] <dartmouth> straterra: I understand.  And thank you-- where can I email my .config file and hardware specs?
[12:54] <dartmouth> I don't have your email saved...
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[12:55] <firebird619> Hey Cann0n, how are you?
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[12:55] <Necos> #gentoo is >>>> way
[12:56] <firebird619> haha
[12:56] <lf4> lol guess you can run a screen session with in a screen session :)
[12:56] <Necos> yeah, you can ^_^
[12:56] <lf4> hey firebird619 how are you doing?
[12:56] <firebird619> lf4: doing great, thanks. you?
[12:56] <thrice`> compiling a kernel is hardly a gentoo practice
[12:56] <Necos> compiling a kernel for minute optimization is, however
[12:57] <thrice`> disagree
[12:57] <lf4> Necos: Here is what I did... Screen[1] running irssi,x with in x I tried to pull the irssi :P
[12:57] <dartmouth> yeah, I don't get the frequency explanations
[12:57] <dartmouth> there's two of them
[12:57] <lf4> firebird619: I'm doing pretty well thanks.
[12:57] <straterra> dartmouth: straterra@fuhell.com
[12:57] <straterra> or straterra@projectstfu.com
[12:57] <dartmouth> straterra: ok; can I get my kernel config mailed back to me by midnight?
[12:57] <straterra> Yup
[12:58] <dartmouth> you know I'm kidding, right?
[12:58] <straterra> I'm not
[12:58] <Cann0n> did that kid ever compile a kernel from last night? he was having some issues
[12:58] <dartmouth> really?
[12:58] <straterra> Really
[12:58] <dartmouth> sweet.  I'll see what I can do on my own and send it to you and see if you can make it smaller
[12:58] <Necos> thrice`: most defaults in the kernel are sensible
[12:58] <thrice`> er, hardly
[12:58] <firebird619> Cann0n: the one with the kernel panic? I'm not sure if he got it fixed or not.
[12:58] <Cann0n> eh... i dunno Necos
[12:58] <Necos> i said "most", not all =p
[12:59] <acidchild> Hello, anyone see a problem with using 2.4 on a OS designed around 2.6.x?
[12:59] <straterra> es
[12:59] <straterra> yes
[12:59] <firebird619> hey acidchild. How's it going?
[12:59] <acidchild> good thanks.
[12:59] <Cann0n> firebird619: no the kid who didnt know what (M) meant. lol. might be same kid. i left early.
[12:59] <thrice`> acidchild: most definitely ;)
[12:59] <acidchild> thrice`: like what? its not for a desktop
[12:59] <thrice`> toolchain ?
[12:59] <straterra> udev for one
[12:59] <acidchild> no dbus use...
[12:59] <thrice`> glibc should immediately puke
[12:59] <Cann0n> gah, i havent used 2.4 since 2005ish
[12:59] <acidchild> damn
[13:00] <acidchild> thrice`: yeah your right, didn't think about glibc
[13:00] <Cann0n> 2007*
[13:00] <firebird619> Cann0n: Oh, I wonder if it wasn't the same one, but I'd have to check the logs to be sure. :)
[13:00] <Necos> dbus / udev / hal / etc...
[13:00] <acidchild> i can remove udev.
[13:00] <thrice`> bash should die right away with "kernel too old" I think
[13:00] <Cann0n> i still have slack10 on my server somewhere up north
[13:00] <acidchild> glibc is gonna be a bitch.
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[13:00] <Necos> you can cross compile that tho
[13:00] <Necos> LFS style
[13:01] <acidchild> yeah, LFS is gonna come soon :)
[13:01] <Dominian> hehe
[13:01] <Dominian> acidchild can't make up his mine what distro to use ;)
[13:01] <acidchild> well i gotta pump something production out this week
[13:01] <Necos> for what?
[13:02] <Dominian> acidchild: For the wireless or you need an actual server up and running?
[13:02] <Cann0n> Dominian: shouldnt be a hard question! lol. Slackware. Duh!
[13:02] <acidchild> this project i'm working on
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[13:02] <Dominian> Cann0n: hehe
[13:02] <acidchild> Dominian: wireless.
[13:02] Action: Dominian nods
[13:02] <acidchild> Its Arch linux actully :P
[13:02] <Necos> ewww =p
[13:02] <Dominian> acidchild: I'm here if you need anything.. the last email you sent me seemed like ya needed something hehe
[13:02] <Dominian> Necos: arch is not bad actually
[13:02] <acidchild> Dominian: well i'm getting worried.
[13:02] <acidchild> ;/
[13:02] <Dominian> acidchild: You should looke at FreeBSD 7.2 :)
[13:02] <acidchild> about hosting
[13:02] <Dominian> acidchild: oh?
[13:02] <Dominian> Why?
[13:02] <acidchild> so i'm down with buying something today
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[13:02] <acidchild> but i wana fine the best deal
[13:03] <acidchild> and the best kind of bandwidth
[13:03] <Dominian> fdcservers still seems pretty good
[13:03] <acidchild> find*
[13:03] <scrat1> is slackware abut slacklines?
[13:03] <Dominian> have you checked 1and1.com?
[13:03] <straterra> linode!
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[13:03] <Dominian> straterra: nope.. won't work
[13:03] <Necos> arch is fun to play with
[13:03] <straterra> what wont work?
[13:03] <Dominian> straterra: limited bandwidth..limited storage
[13:03] <acidchild> yeah
[13:03] <Dominian> straterra: We need something with unmetered bandwidth
[13:03] <straterra> limited bandwidth?
[13:03] <straterra> oh
[13:03] <Necos> pacman isn't nearly as silly as yum though...
[13:03] <Dominian> straterra: uhh yeah linodes are metered
[13:03] <straterra> i know that
[13:03] <Dominian> Necos: pacman works for arch because arch is built around it..
[13:03] <compl3x> Necos .. slackware based?
[13:04] <Dominian> Necos: just like pkgsrc in netbsd or ports in FreeBSD
[13:04] <Necos> yeah, i know
[13:04] <Dominian> well, just saying, they work :)
[13:04] <Dominian> like slackpkg for slackware..
[13:04] <Dominian> all distros have their packaging schemes.. but you're right... yum sucks
[13:04] <Necos> i'm just saying yum and apt-get are kinda scary >.>
[13:04] <Dominian> I rather like zypper in openSUSE
[13:04] <Dominian> Necos: yes they are
[13:05] <acidchild> i'm wondering if we can get something in israel
[13:05] <Necos> i tried a suggestion (just to see if it was true) to yum remove python... it marked about 50 other packages lol
[13:05] <Necos> i cancelled it, but yeah... scared the shit out of me
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[13:05] <scrat1> http://www.klick-game.de/archiv-3439.html
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[13:05] <dartmouth> I've decided to do all of my human communication from this day forward in the form of depeche mode lyrics.
[13:05] <lf4> How is the enlightenment wm any one use it?
[13:05] <acidchild> old
[13:05] <acidchild> dead
[13:05] <acidchild> lame
[13:06] <dartmouth> lf4: it's nice
[13:06] <acidchild> dartmouth is a n00b
[13:06] <dartmouth> the file manager sucks though
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[13:06] <acidchild> Dominian: http://www.sharktech.net/
[13:06] <Dominian> Which plan?
[13:06] <dartmouth> acidchild: im really not.  i just act like one.
[13:06] <acidchild> http://www.sharktech.net/?ID=10Mbps_unmetered
[13:07] <acidchild> IPv6 too
[13:07] <lf4> dartmouth: I'm installing it now to try :) any known issues with D17?
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[13:07] <Necos> enlightenment was fun back i nthe day
[13:07] <Dominian> acidchild: not bad.. never heard of them though
[13:07] <Dominian> and 1and1.com is metered.. so forget that
[13:07] <acidchild> same as FDC
[13:07] <dartmouth> lf4: yes.  you'll have to rig your toaster oven through a USB port.
[13:07] <lf4> Necos: What wm do you use now?
[13:07] <acidchild> but they are DDoS protected
[13:08] <acidchild> same NOC
[13:08] <scrat1> is this channel about slacklines?
[13:08] <dartmouth> slacklines?
[13:08] <Dominian> acidchild: ahhh nice
[13:08] <lf4> scrat1: slacklines?
[13:08] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[13:08] <dartmouth> wtf is a slackline?
[13:08] Action: SlackLnx hi o/
[13:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b %scrat1!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman
[13:08] <Dominian> apparently rworkman knows who that is
[13:08] <lf4> hi SlackLnx
[13:08] <Dominian> yep
[13:08] <Dominian> :)
[13:08] <dartmouth> hah
[13:08] <acidchild> Dominian: Processor (CPU)  Intel Pentium E5200 (2 cores x 2.5 GHz) ?
[13:08] <dartmouth> I thought I did something bad for a sec ;)
[13:08] <rworkman> I don't know who it is, but he's asked the same nonsensical question twice, and posted one random link to something.
[13:09] <Cann0n> i cant want until i see myself from the future... any day now...
[13:09] <acidchild> rworkman is being a badass
[13:09] <straterra> get my lynchin rope
[13:09] <acidchild> :P
[13:09] <lf4> lol rworkman
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[13:09] <Dominian> acidchild: that looks good.. what's the turnaround time on a build though?
[13:09] <dartmouth> It's like when your dad takes off his belt; it doesn't matter how old you get, or how long it's been since you've gotten a woopin'; you can be 35 and when he takes off that belt your heart stops for a second lol.  same with opers in ##
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[13:11] <Cann0n> i have a feeling ill be pulling into walmart in about 10 minutes.... laters!
[13:11] <dartmouth> LOL
[13:11] <dartmouth> http://www.asanaclimbing.com/slack.htm
[13:11] <Necos> acidchild: i have the same cpu at home
[13:11] <dartmouth> well that explains alot lol
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[13:11] <Necos> i use openbox personally
[13:11] <acidchild> fluxbox mofo!
[13:11] <Necos> no thanks
[13:11] <acidchild> hell eyeah
[13:12] <Necos> i've used openbox since the 2.x days
[13:12] <dartmouth> ok, any dangers from increasing the kernel log buffer size to 128KB?
[13:12] <dartmouth> I guess default is 32?
[13:12] <compl3x> fluxbox :)
[13:12] <Necos> 64 dartmouth
[13:12] <dartmouth> mine was set to 32 (15)
[13:12] Action: lf4 is trying to find his nice wm :)
[13:12] <dartmouth> i just bumped it up to 128
[13:13] <Necos> i wonder if dmesg will change the buffer size automatically too
[13:13] <dartmouth> that would be nice
[13:13] <dartmouth> im getting a ton of fglrx errors from mismatched kernel data, so it would be cool to actually READ my dmesg lol
[13:14] <lf4> where is the bash file that you can configure commands?
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[13:14] <dartmouth> configure....commands....?
[13:14] <Necos> you mean aliases?
[13:14] <dartmouth> what I do is just write a script and put it in /usr/sbin/ and +x
[13:15] <lf4> dartmouth: when I type ls it does not include options so I have to add --color
[13:15] <lf4> Necos: Yea
[13:15] <dartmouth> yeah use alias for that
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[13:16] <lf4> no man page for alias? :( aww
[13:16] <Necos> vim ~/.bashrc
[13:16] <dartmouth> if i understand right though that's a setup issue for the root login profile and should be fixed there, but I want one of the old-timers to confirm that before trying it
[13:16] <lf4> Necos: :) thanks will do some reading about all of it now.
[13:17] <lee555J5> lf4: by default bash shows color; are you using screen?
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[13:17] <lf4> lee555J5: Yes
[13:17] <panzer> yo lee555J5
[13:17] <lf4> which is why I want to configure it
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[13:17] <Necos> you can just change the term type (and i think that will be fixed)
[13:17] <lee555J5> hey panzer
[13:18] <compl3x> omg what is firefox doing to my memory!
[13:18] <Necos> and dartmouth, you might not want to fix it in /etc/skel if they are very specific aliases (like those involving passwords)
[13:19] <lf4> Necos: you mean switch from bash to another?
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[13:19] <eviljames> I don't think bash does that by default.  I'm pretty sure somewhere an "alias ls=ls --color=auto -pb" is done.
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[13:20] <jeev> something new for noobfarm.. <HEMI> A friend of a friend pours his car's used engine oil down the storm sewer and is perfectly okay about it cause "I ride my bicycle to work most days."
[13:20] <dartmouth> Necos: i was just referring to retaining color after su'ing to root
[13:20] <eviljames> jeev: Way to green shift, buddy! :D
[13:20] <Necos> oh bleh =p
[13:20] <jeev> hehe
[13:21] <lee555J5> Necos: no, I fixed this on mine in Slack 12.1 and I'm trying to remember how. I know I looked at /etc/profile, ~/.bashrc. login shells don't show color either, by default.
[13:21] <lf4> dartmouth: yeah using su it does that I've noticed as well.
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[13:23] <eviljames> *ahem* alias ls='ls --color=auto -pb'
[13:24] <eviljames> If it retains colour when going to root that is because su is not calling a new login shell.
[13:25] <eviljames> There would be a difference between "su" and "su - "
[13:25] <lee555J5> alias
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[13:27] <dartmouth> kde4 doesnt' seem to really be suitable for an office environment....and...now that I think about it, I can't think of a WM that is
[13:27] <dartmouth> any suggestions?
[13:28] <dartmouth> besides XP? (lol)
[13:28] <eviljames> kde4 is great in my office
[13:28] <lee555J5>  eviljames> I don't think bash does that by default.  I'm pretty sure somewhere an "alias ls=ls --color=auto -pb" is done. You are correct. That alias shows in LS_OPTIONS if you type set.
[13:28] <eviljames> Though, the only people using it are the tech department :D
[13:28] <dartmouth> eviljames: yeah, that's what I mean lol
[13:29] <dartmouth> kde4 LOOKS like it should be in an office, but it's not ready.
[13:29] <eviljames> lee555J5: I'm certain bash does not.  Check /etc/profile and /etc/skel/bashrc to find where said alias is being set.  I use zsh, which also does not do this.  I added the alias in ~/.zshrc
[13:29] <eviljames> dartmouth: Disagree there, for office functions kde4 is great imho.
[13:29] <dartmouth> haha.  your opinion isn't humble.
[13:29] <eviljames> Firefox + OpenOffice are pretty much the day-to-day stuff done in an office environment, I don't see how kde4 impedes that.
[13:30] <lee555J5> dartmouth: *any* move from XP will require training for the masses :)
[13:30] <dartmouth> im more or less talking about the desktop environment; I don't see file management from the desktop being 'complete'.
[13:30] <eviljames> lee555J5: While that's true, the xp->kde transition is the least painful I think.
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[13:30] <dartmouth> it's got too much going on.
[13:30] <eviljames> dartmouth: We probably aren't going to see eye to eye on this one either, I think dolphin is possibly the best file manager available.
[13:30] <eviljames> heh
[13:30] <lf4> I haven't even messed with KDE4
[13:31] <dartmouth> oh, i love dolphin
[13:31] <firebird619> dolphin is very, very nice. I really like it.
[13:31] <dartmouth> i'ts replaced my thunar entirely
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[13:31] <dartmouth> but the KDE4 desktop is not dolphin
[13:31] <eviljames> Dolphin definitely takes some getting used to, because the interactions are significantly different from the xp/vista/gnome/thunar side of things.
[13:31] <eviljames> Well, dartmouth, I haven't heard much of an example of why kde4 wouldn't be ready for day-to-day office use though...
[13:32] <dartmouth> eviljames: most of it is that for it too look nice you've got to bog it down so much that it isn't worth using
[13:32] <dartmouth> also when you set up icons on the desktop it kind of
[13:32] <eviljames> fud
[13:32] <dartmouth> it gets ugly
[13:32] <eviljames> Desktop Icons are always ugly.
[13:32] <dartmouth> thats not fud, that's applied experience
[13:32] <eviljames> That's why the plasmoid for file containers is so great
[13:32] <eviljames> or whatever it's called.
[13:32] <dartmouth> that' what im currently using
[13:32] <dartmouth> alot of my issue too is that i want to use sshfs for all of my remote mounting because it's so easy
[13:33] <eviljames> dolphin does that for you.
[13:33] <eviljames> caveat on that of course is that it interacts well with anything that supports the kparts, but I don't know that firefox saves to their fish or sshfs service (can't recall name offhand) easily
[13:34] <lf4> Yes my carputer parts are arriveing this week :)
[13:34] <eviljames> lf4: Awesome!  Did you use that Atom board I pasted you?
[13:35] <eviljames> Or maybe you told me you already had a board ready to go and I forgot :P
[13:35] <lf4> eviljames: No... yeah I had the board already. :)
[13:35] <dartmouth> eviljames: eh; sshfs seems to be more of a novelty than a real to me anyway; I don't know what I expect from a DE, but I know KDE4 doesn't have what I'm looking for-- I hope that changes with an alternative that's compatible with the rest of KDE4
[13:35] <dartmouth> it's 'almost' there
[13:35] <eviljames> It sounds like kde4 won't meet your expectations until you define them and file bugs.
[13:35] <lf4> its a mini itx with a celeron dual-core 2GHz and 2GB of ram
[13:36] <eviljames> I thought it was 'almost' there 6 months ago, and now it's 'past' there and works well :D
[13:36] <dartmouth> lol
[13:36] <eviljames> note, I'm a bit of a devil's advocate right now, because I'm on gnome
[13:36] <eviljames> Gnome under OpenSolaris, though.
[13:36] <dartmouth> Control Group Support in kernel options.  The description means nothing.
[13:36] <eviljames> My laptop is slamd64/kde4, but it isn't handy, otherwise I'd have better info :P
[13:36] <dartmouth> 'grouping' sets of processes together?
[13:36] <eviljames> Odds are you don't need it then.
[13:37] <eviljames> :P
[13:37] <dartmouth> probably, but what does that even mean?
[13:37] <dartmouth> ps waux shows only one ssh process even if you have 30 sessions going?
[13:38] <eviljames> Where do yo usee the control group support?
[13:38] <dartmouth> it's in general setup
[13:38] <eviljames> Oh, most certainly you don't need that.
[13:38] <eviljames>  This option will let you use process cgroup subsystems such as Cpusets
[13:38] <eviljames> I don't have it enabled.
[13:39] <eviljames> It sounds like this is in place if you need to control groups of CPUs.
[13:39] <dartmouth> oh
[13:39] <dartmouth> well
[13:39] <dartmouth> when i evolve to multi-proc systems I'll keep that in mind ;)
[13:40] <eviljames> heh, someone could correct me on that, it's a bit of a guess :P
[13:40] <eviljames> CPUSETs are lightweight objects in the linux kernel that enable users to partition their multiprocessor machine by creating execution areas. A virtualization layer has been added so it becomes possible to split a machine in terms of CPUs.
[13:40] <eviljames> Sounds like it was pretty close to the mark.
[13:41] <dartmouth> what bugs me is I've not found a good rundown that explains these options very well.  like a 'this is the dynamic structure of the kernel'.
[13:42] <eviljames> Have you tried make menuconfig ?
[13:42] <dartmouth> like namespace support?
[13:42] <dartmouth> that's what im in
[13:42] <dartmouth> look at the description for config_namespaces
[13:42] <lee555J5> sounds good to me, but it's beyond dual or quadcore. It sounds like you can group several cores of a many-core system into smaller groups, perhaps dedicated to specific tasks.
[13:42] <dartmouth> there's so much prerequisite knowledge required in that example that you'd be reading for days to figure out if you even need it
[13:43] <eviljames> lee555J5: yeah, that's what cpusets is for.  If you have, say, a dozen procs and want to dedicate 6 to apache and 6 to mysql or something.
[13:43] <eviljames> dartmouth: Yay for reading! :P
[13:43] <dartmouth> bah!
[13:44] <eviljames> dartmouth: If it helps your piece of mind any, Namespace support on my system is required (that is, I can't disable it) but none of the sub-options are enabled at all.
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[13:44] <eviljames> no IPC, no UTS, neither of the experimental ones
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[13:45] <dartmouth> why do you need it?
[13:46] <eviljames> I'd bet because something, somewhere, that I've marked as "mandatory" requires it.
[13:46] <dartmouth> lol
[13:46] <dartmouth> same here for me
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[13:49] <spook> Reason: Could not reproduce.
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[13:50] <beatzz> omg whatsup all
[13:50] <beatzz> just got slack12 going
[13:50] <beatzz> pwntz
[13:50] <Necos> >.>
[13:50] <thrice`> pwntz on you, 12.2 is out
[13:50] <spook> indeed.
[13:50] <beatzz> i meant 12.2
[13:50] <spook> 12 is ooooold
[13:50] <dartmouth> it's all the same stuff
[13:51] <beatzz> i figured u would all assume
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[13:51] <beatzz> becsue 12 is soooo old
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[13:51] <beatzz> *checks disk again :P
[13:51] <thrice`> assume you were someone who could speak clearly?  noo
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[13:52] <dartmouth> some people just don't get it.  if you can't speak clearly you're supposed to overcompensate with blind, belligerent, post-pubescent, youthful aggression.
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[13:54] <eviljames> dartmouth: Welcome to America.
[13:54] <eviljames> dartmouth: Case in point: Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. etc. etc.
[13:54] <dartmouth> lol
[13:54] <dartmouth> It certainly is how we do things.
[13:55] <eviljames> "I have nothing intelligent to say, so I will just TALK LOUDER"
[13:55] <eviljames> That's how it's done?
[13:55] <straterra> SHUT UP WHORE
[13:55] <eviljames> straterra: CRAM IT, TARDONAUT.
[13:55] <straterra> LICK MY CHUTECREAM!
[13:55] <eviljames> stop it, my text to speach is screaming at me!
[13:56] <BP{k}> great I feel ike I am at a Tourette's convention.
[13:56] <eviljames> BP{k}: wanna shave a dog?
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[13:58] <lf4> humm don't know if I like enlightenment that much.
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[14:02] <Necos> it's antiquated
[14:03] <firebird619> Hey BP{k}. How are you?
[14:03] <compl3x> firebird619: just the guy I was looking for , hey how are you?
[14:04] <firebird619> Hey compl3x, I'm doing great, thanks. you?
[14:04] <compl3x> firebird619: im good [=, ever get that script working?
[14:05] <firebird619> compl3x: sure did. Now in conky it shows the diff of the slackware changelog. :)
[14:05] <compl3x> firebird619: want to share? [=
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[14:05] <firebird619> compl3x: well of course.
[14:06] <compl3x> firebird619: [=
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[14:09] <adampc> Hi guy's :)
[14:09] <firebird619> Hi guy. :)
[14:09] <compl3x> hey adampc
[14:09] <adampc> I am going to try out this new Slackware 12.1
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[14:10] <adampc> I got a magz in Tesco for £6.49
[14:10] <adampc> Got a disc with it on :D
[14:10] <firebird619> The latest slackware is 12.2 btw.
[14:10] <compl3x> new slackware 12.1? - 12.2's been out since december
[14:10] <adampc> no :(
[14:10] <adampc> 12.2
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[14:10] <adampc> yeah think so
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[14:10] <adampc> yup I have
[14:11] <adampc> I have d1 & d2
[14:11] <adampc> on the disc.
[14:11] <adampc> package_tools also..
[14:11] <adampc> do I just burn d1.iso to one disc, thne d1.iso to the other? nad boot :/
[14:12] <adampc> I have a spare hdd in side my pc that is 80gig.
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[14:12] <firebird619> compl3x: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13700
[14:12] <compl3x> adanoc: might want to try putting more messages in one line - may get autokicked for flooding
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[14:12] <eviljames> compl3x: maybe
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[14:12] <eviljames> compl3x: but maybe not
[14:12] <adampc> ah ok, sorry.
[14:13] <compl3x> firebird619: thanks buddy
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[14:13] <LifeForce4> humm fluxbox did not add OOo to the menu.
[14:13] <compl3x> adampc: take it your in the UK :p - tescoz :p
[14:14] <firebird619> compl3x: no problem
[14:14] <compl3x> LifeForce4: /opt/openofficeversionhere/soffice :p
[14:14] <firebird619> LifeForce4: did you regenerate the menu?
[14:14] <compl3x> LifeForce4: I thinkXD
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[14:14] <LifeForce4> firebird619: no lol never really used flux before.
[14:14] <firebird619> LifeForce4: Give that a shot
[14:14] <LifeForce4> compl3x: yeah I could add it manually but there are other apps also mission
[14:15] <firebird619> After I regenerated the menu, it added it for me.
[14:15] <compl3x> LifeForce4: also if you want to personalise the menu - check ~/.fluxbox/menu [=
[14:15] <firebird619> Alright, here's my current desktop: http://imagebin.org/48942
[14:15] <compl3x> firebird619: Im too hardcore to let fluxbox make my menu for me haha
[14:15] <LifeForce4> will do :) thanks firebird619 and compl3x
[14:15] <firebird619> LifeForce4: yw
[14:16] <compl3x> LifeForce4: no worries
[14:16] <firebird619> compl3x: I've been manually adding the icons in ~/.fluxbox/menu
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[14:16] <compl3x> firebird619: Ill show you my desktop once ive added the changelogs :)
[14:17] <firebird619> k, you look at the one I posted above?
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[14:17] <compl3x> firebird619: yes very nice [=
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[14:17] <bhodgins> Hows it going?
[14:17] <firebird619> compl3x: btw, tenner added a few more styles yesterday.
[14:17] <firebird619> bhodgins: going great, you?
[14:18] <bhodgins> Pretty good.
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[14:19] <compl3x> firebird619: I dont have an old change log - so icant test it - nothings showing up
[14:21] <firebird619> compl3x: I just made one myself to test, I downloaded the lastest changelog twice and renamed one ChangeLog.old and removed some stuff from it. :)
[14:22] <compl3x> firebird619: Ill give it a shot [=
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[14:22] <firebird619> alright. :)
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[14:22] <firebird619> If you do that, you have to temporarily remove the first two lines after TEXT in the conkyrc file, otherwise the test won't work.
[14:23] <firebird619> oops, I mean the 2nd and 3rd line, the first defines the color.
[14:24] <firebird619> Oh man, I'm slipping, it's the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th line. :P
[14:25] <compl3x> lol I just copied a changelog from my mirror - and removed the latest update
[14:25] <firebird619> there ya go
[14:27] <compl3x> firebird619: can I set a fixed width?
[14:28] <firebird619> for the window the changelog goes into, sure.
[14:28] <compl3x> firebird619: I gotta pop out for a bit - cya in abit
[14:28] <firebird619> ok, later compl3x
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[14:37] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, i have to share something hillarious with you
[14:38] <nix_chix0r> i was reading medical records last night and a doctor noted a clients file for a yeast infection and stated : patient has no pussy discharge: like what kinda doctor has the nerve to put something like that in a womans medical record
[14:38] <nix_chix0r> especially if it will be reviewed by a judge
[14:38] <firebird619> haha
[14:39] <firebird619> that doctor doesn't seem very professional.
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[14:41] <Urchlay> eh, I think that's "puss-y", like full of pus
[14:41] <Urchlay> kinda disgusting to think about first thing in the morning, I'm gonna go get coffee, you guys change the subject...
[14:42] <firebird619> could be, but it just doesn't really read right.
[14:42] <firebird619> get alot of coffee. :)
[14:42] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: So how are you doing?
[14:42] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, good, baby slept for 9hrs last night so i actually got sleep for once
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[14:43] <chowabunga> <chowabunga> fajita@#apache: slackware
[14:43] <chowabunga> <fajita> The hands-on distro that focuses on speed and simplicity. It also scales very well. Version 12  includes a recent version of apache (2.2.4), and the config is possibly the sanest found in any distribution package.
[14:43] <firebird619> wow, he's getting to sleep alot longer then, that's nice.
[14:43] <nix_chix0r> for a 2month old he jjust now started eating 7 ounces
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[14:43] <nix_chix0r> that's a lot of formula
[14:43] <firebird619> how much does he weigh now?
[14:43] <nix_chix0r> mm i'd say 10 ,11lb
[14:44] <firebird619> cool, they grow fast don't they. :)
[14:44] <nix_chix0r> yeah and he's so damn smiley it makes me laugh
[14:45] <firebird619> my great-nephew is like that, smiling all the time, and giggling.
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[14:46] <chowabunga> i thought this was #slackware
[14:47] <chowabunga> nix_chix0r> if you inject him with vaccines the smiling will stop
[14:47] <Urchlay> chowabunga: absolutely. If you have anything slackware-related to discuss, start talking and we'll pay attention
[14:47] <Urchlay> eh, but if nobody's got anything to say about slackare, might as well get to know each other as people, you know?
[14:47] <nix_chix0r> chowabunga, if people are discussing slack the rule of thumb for of topic generally will taper as we are nerds
[14:47] <chowabunga> nix_chix0r> you might want to read labels on formula/baby foods too....and dont use BPA (bisphenol-a) bottles/plastics at all
[14:48] <nix_chix0r> yeah i got thegood bottles, and he's getting his 2month shots this week or next week
[14:48] <chowabunga> just words of the wise...not that the next generation really has a future anyway
[14:49] <chowabunga> how bout you dont inject him with themerisol
[14:49] <nix_chix0r> i'll make his dad hold him while he gets shots not me
[14:49] <nix_chix0r> i wont be the bad buy
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[14:49] <nix_chix0r> moms are supposed to make it all better;)
[14:49] <chowabunga> you are making a mistake
[14:49] <Necos> hehehe
[14:49] <straterra> chowabunga: Coming from you..that means nothing
[14:49] <Necos> vaccinating the kid isn't a bad idea >.>
[14:50] <chowabunga> if you want to vaccinate your kid, wait till its starting kindergarten or get a religious exemption
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[14:50] <straterra> You've exhibited a LOT of fail here
[14:50] <nix_chix0r> i'm not a big fan of the combination shots but i trust the pediatrician hes cool
[14:50] <eviljames> wtf
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[14:50] <nix_chix0r> great doc
[14:50] <chowabunga> nix_chix0r> doesnt mean he isnt brainwashed
[14:50] <Necos> chowabunga: >.>
[14:50] <eviljames> chowabunga: antivaccination stuff is a great way to have your kids die from painful disease
[14:50] <chowabunga> med school is 1000% hazing
[14:50] <straterra> chowabunga: I wouldn't trust your thoughts on making coffee, let alone child care
[14:50] <eviljames> chowabunga: but otherwise is patently useless.
[14:50] <Necos> lol
[14:50] <chowabunga> eviljames> everyone else is vaccinated, so the chance of that happening are slim to none
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[14:50] <nix_chix0r> chowabunga, you  know why people dont get polio anymore.. or if they do it's very rare. it's because of the vaccination
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[14:50] <eviljames> chowabunga: That's not how vaccination works.
[14:51] <chowabunga> well fine, shoot up his brain with mercury which babies cant really remove from their body
[14:51] <eviljames> nix_chix0r: thank you.  The disease itself is still floating around, but due to the vaccination it doesn't have any effect on us.
[14:51] <eviljames> chowabunga: The mercury thing is a LIE.
[14:51] <chowabunga> bullshit
[14:51] <nix_chix0r> i dont agree that they should get it so young but it should happen
[14:51] <straterra> Yes, you are bullshit.
[14:51] <chowabunga> request a product fact sheet from your pediatrician
[14:51] <eviljames> chowabunga: There was one batch of flu medicine that had greater than the natural background rate of mercury in your body in terms of ppm.
[14:51] <eviljames> chowabunga: You should look this stuff up some day.
[14:51] <chowabunga> eviljames> i look it up daily
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[14:52] <straterra> Why would you look it up daily?
[14:52] <eviljames> chowabunga: Then you should be more knowledgeable about the topic.
[14:52] <Necos> lol
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[14:52] <straterra> That's like looking up the constitution daily
[14:52] <eviljames> I'm fine with religious nutjobs not vaccinating their children, it just means less religious nutjobs in the world.
[14:52] <straterra> It might have changed..but..I doubt it
[14:52] <eviljames> But normal, sane, intelligent people?  They'll vaccinate.
[14:52] <nix_chix0r> eviljames, :)
[14:53] <Necos> lol eviljames
[14:53] <chowabunga> eviljames> intelligent till after their brains get mercury int hem
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[14:53] <chowabunga> i got a flu shot in like 2002
[14:53] <chowabunga> 2003
[14:53] <eviljames> chowabunga: Again, mercury is pure fud.
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[14:53] <straterra> chowabunga: How about this..raise your kids like you want to..let others do what they want
[14:53] <chowabunga> and my cognitive functions dropped for 3 years
[14:53] <Necos> lol
[14:53] <eviljames> chowabunga: You're being intellectually dishonest by even promoting that anti-vacc mess
[14:53] <chowabunga> eviljames> no its not, themerisol its on the product sheets
[14:53] <eviljames> Ahh
[14:53] <Necos> i don't think the flu shot had anything to do with that...
[14:53] <eviljames> chowabunga: Yeah, in a concentration LESS than the naturally occuring background rate already in your body.
[14:53] <firebird619> http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
[14:53] <chowabunga> yeah but what about for a baby
[14:54] <eviljames> Necos: +1.  He's still suffering from decreased cognitive ability.
[14:54] <chowabunga> whos brains are not even formed yet
[14:54] <nix_chix0r> plus the polio vaccination the he will be getting is a synthetic not live and active veresion
[14:54] <chowabunga> nix_chix0r> still requiest the product sheet
[14:54] <chowabunga> then study up
[14:54] <chowabunga> its your kid, im just warning you
[14:54] <chowabunga> dont want some vegetable
[14:54] <Necos> lol
[14:54] <chowabunga> that you have to put on ritalin cuz its brain was f'd up
[14:54] <nix_chix0r> when you have a BA or MA in medicine we'll discuss it further
[14:54] <chowabunga> then it will mature slower cuz of the ritalin
[14:55] <Necos> we're already reading the text of one :)
[14:55] <chowabunga> then tehy will say its depressed
[14:55] <chowabunga> and give it more drugs
[14:55] <nix_chix0r> he is not gooing on any of those bullshit drugs mayne
[14:55] <chowabunga> well im gonna get a masters in journalism :)
[14:55] <nix_chix0r> fucking kids with the add and adhd i disagree with givning out like skittles
[14:55] <chowabunga> nix_chix0r> its the same lies at every level
[14:55] <jeev> i have adhd
[14:56] <nix_chix0r> jeev, not all kids truly have that
[14:56] <nix_chix0r> a lot of it has to do with parenting
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[14:56] <chowabunga> jeev> in london they found ADD/ADHD was caused by FOOD COLORINGS
[14:56] <nix_chix0r> the others maybe its' a chemical imbalance
[14:56] <jeev> true nix_chix0r but all this shit is created so more medicine can be sold
[14:56] <chowabunga> its all about diet
[14:56] <eviljames> ahahahahah
[14:56] <eviljames> a master's in journalism AKA a master's in dishonesty?
[14:57] <chowabunga> eviljames> there are still some good people in this world
[14:57] <eviljames> Not in the media industry, it seems.
[14:57] <chowabunga> i'll end up in prison exposing the lies
[14:57] <nix_chix0r> good journalists dont get hired
[14:57] <eviljames> nix_chix0r: =1
[14:57] <nix_chix0r> you gota lie
[14:57] <eviljames> err
[14:57] <eviljames> +1 hahah
[14:57] <nix_chix0r> you'll have a BA and working at hardees
[14:57] <chowabunga> eviljames> jealous?  i already have a masters degree
[14:57] <nix_chix0r> not even being a manager
[14:58] <eviljames> chowabunga: I'm working on Mathematics, I'll never be jealous of a journalist.
[14:58] <chowabunga> i haev a masters in CE/CS...but i want journalism too
[14:58] <chowabunga> since they offer a scholarship full ride to coders
[14:58] <eviljames> I don't believe you, on grounds that I'd expect your analytical skills to be better.
[14:58] <chowabunga> eviljames> you are the one drinking the cool-aid
[14:59] <nix_chix0r> i like the grape koolaid
[14:59] <firebird619> lol
[14:59] <eviljames> nix_chix0r: I prefer tropical punch or lemon/lime myself.
[14:59] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: y0 in da hood
[14:59] <acidchild> =][
[14:59] <eviljames> That electric blue lemonaid is pretty good.
[14:59] <nix_chix0r> lemon lime is good
[14:59] <nix_chix0r> hardly any one drinks that
[14:59] <chowabunga> eviljames> remember the first swine flu scare in 1976?  25 people died from the vaccine, one from the flu
[14:59] <nix_chix0r> i take it and mix it with sprite
[14:59] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: and that's good? I've never tried that.
[15:00] <nix_chix0r> yupyup
[15:00] <jeev> man, jouirnalism is bullshit, cant believe it's a field
[15:00] <jeev> why do you have to study to tell the truth
[15:00] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: I usually get those koolaid singles packets and pour it into a water bottle. :)
[15:00] <eviljames> chowabunga: I have problems remembering things that happened prior to my birth.
[15:00] <chowabunga> "The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison."
[15:00] <Urchlay> TV might have something to do with kids lack of attention span
[15:01] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, lazy turd
[15:01] <firebird619> hahaha
[15:01] <chowabunga> the kids need a good diet and a good book
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[15:01] <nix_chix0r> its almost shower time
[15:01] <Urchlay> watch the tube for an hour, time how long it is between the scene changes on average
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[15:01] <eviljames> chowabunga: On that last one, we agree 100%.
[15:01] <jeev> you know what else causes a lack of attention spam? kids are growing up too fast, at 3-4-5-6 years of age, they're sent to 5-6 different classes.. kids have bigger scheduled then grown men
[15:01] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: fruit punch juice + sprite or 7up is good.
[15:01] <Urchlay> ugh, yeah
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[15:02] <nix_chix0r> jeev, another thing i dont agree with is 7-8th graders going to school with seniors
[15:02] <nix_chix0r> i'm probally going to do part time homeschooling with him
[15:02] <eviljames> jeev: It's pretty easy to say that is the sole cause, but I think it's more combinatoric than that.
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[15:03] <jeev> everything adds on to it.. of course
[15:03] <Necos> nix_chix0r: not gonna work? :)
[15:03] <jeev> nix_chix0r, i think home schooling is smart..
[15:03] <eviljames> Urchlay: That's another excellent point, the primary source of media/information in the majority of western households maintains an attention span of 30seconds or less.
[15:03] <jeev> high school and college education is weak
[15:03] <Urchlay> I remember being 6 or 7 and going to school with a kid who'd flunked a couple of grades... he was in 5th grade, was maybe 13 or 14, had facial hair even, and for fun he liked to beat the crap out of the little kids half his age
[15:03] <jeev> there is no need for some GE classes
[15:03] <nix_chix0r> Necos, i work right now but i work nights so does the huby
[15:03] <nix_chix0r> so i could do some part time homeschooling and he can still get some social interaction with kids
[15:03] <Necos> ah
[15:03] <Urchlay> eviljames: it's to the point where, when (or if) I ever have kids, I don't want a TV anywhere in the house
[15:04] <Urchlay> but there would be a computer, so maybe it doesn't matter
[15:04] <Necos> lol Urchlay
[15:04] <eviljames> Urchlay: I probably still will have something that resembles a tv, but any modern medium is rife with these issues.
[15:04] <firebird619> Urchlay: with the computer + internet, it doesn't really matter I don't think. Sometimes that can be just as bad if not worse.
[15:04] <eviljames> firebird619: +1
[15:05] <jeev> just keep the kids away from rush limbaugh and sean hannity
[15:05] <nix_chix0r> Urchlay, you can just have a timer thing for the tv so it shuts off after a certain period of time or just lay the hammer down and say tv is not the babysitter and actually interact with your kids
[15:05] <firebird619> jeev: lol
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[15:05] <eviljames> nix_chix0r: with X10, you can control the power jack from your computer.
[15:06] <nix_chix0r> yeah i seen something like that before
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[15:06] <firebird619> eviljames: I have something called IBM Home Director that you can control whatever you have plugged into the module.
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[15:06] <firebird619> tv, lamp, whatever.
[15:06] <eviljames> In terms of raw power on/off, or do you have some more control than that?
[15:07] <eviljames> firebird619: google tells me that it is an X10 device :P
[15:07] <Urchlay> if it's X10, he should be able to dim lamps at least
[15:07] <firebird619> Umm, can't quite remember, I think it was more than just power on/off.
[15:07] <Urchlay> firebird619: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/misc/heyu/
[15:07] <firebird619> It's in a box in the closet right now, haven't used it for a little while.
[15:08] <Urchlay> that's the software for it, when/if you decide to hook it all up
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[15:08] <firebird619> Urchlay: sweet, thanks.
[15:08] <firebird619> tbh, I had forgotten about it until eviljames mentioned X10. :P
[15:08] <Urchlay> lemme know if you use it, I packaged it up for SBo :)
[15:08] <nix_chix0r> time to shower and get ready for work got a couple appointments with a few clients today about the work history and daily livng and hopefully this time they can remember what they do from the time they get up till they go to sleep
[15:08] <firebird619> Urchlay: ok, will do.
[15:08] <jeev> wow, x10 heh
[15:08] <Necos> take care nix_chix0r :)
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[15:09] <firebird619> later nix_chix0r. :) Have a good day.
[15:09] <nix_chix0r> Necos, thanks
[15:09] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, seeya
[15:09] <eviljames> nix_chix0r: have fun.
[15:09] <nix_chix0r> owitjowjt yeah
[15:09] <Urchlay> eviljames: I hardly ever watch actual TV as it is (I do download & watch shows, minus the commercials, sometimes)... whenever I'm around people watching TV, I'm more interested in watching the people than the TV
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[15:10] <Urchlay> it's kinda scary actually: most of them seem to be thinking what the TV tells them to think
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[15:11] <eviljames> Urchlay: What's a little more problematic is tha they're conditioned not to think back.
[15:11] <firebird619> Urchlay: It's not so much what you read and see on the Internet, TV, etc. it's what you *believe* from what you see and read.
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[15:11] <Urchlay> firebird619: one caveat: most CFL lightbulbs are not dimmable. You can turn them on or off, that's it... you have to look for special (more expensive) dimmable CFLs
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[15:11] <Urchlay> eviljames: exactly!
[15:11] <firebird619> Urchlay: ok, thanks.
[15:12] <eviljames> I don't begrudge anyone for watching tv for entertainment's sake, or even information's sake (despite being a one-way medium).. but to not consider it analytically/critically is a HUGE mistake.
[15:12] <firebird619> That thing come with IBM software too that had a ton of settings, menus, etc.
[15:12] <Urchlay> firebird619: IBM software that'll run on slack?
[15:12] <firebird619> Nah, this was when I was still on windows.
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[15:12] <firebird619> I don't think it'll run on slack, wine maybe, but not slack.
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[15:13] <compl3x> firebird619: hey buddy - back :)
[15:13] <Urchlay> heh, I remember on IRC once, some guy was talking about setting up some software like that... said it had a web interface... so I did a /whois to get his IP, went there in a browser, and there it was... so I started turning stuff off, and there he goes, "connection reset by peer"
[15:14] <Urchlay> you would think software like that would at least be password-protected...
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[15:14] <firebird619> compl3x: hey compl3x
[15:14] <firebird619> :P
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[15:15] <firebird619> Urchlay: heh, you would think.
[15:15] <Necos> lol apparently not >.>
[15:15] <Urchlay> also it's kinda dumb to have the computer that controls the X10 stuff, on an outlet controlled by X10, IMO
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[15:16] <firebird619> That IBM software had where you could put whatever on timers too for turning on and off, etc.
[15:16] <Urchlay> (once you turn it off, how exactly are you going to turn it back on, unless you have another one?)
[15:16] <Urchlay> firebird619: heyu doesn't need timers, it runs on an OS that comes with stuff like cron and at :)
[15:17] <firebird619> indeed it does. :)
[15:17] <Urchlay> afaik, the actual X10 hardware doesn't contain its own timers
[15:17] <Urchlay> (or maybe it's just the cheap ones I had don't, maybe the nice ones do?)
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[15:18] <firebird619> I'm not sure
[15:18] <Urchlay> mine was in fact the same one you have, IBM home director (though it was pretty old)
[15:19] <Cann0n> ARGH! why is it so hard to find a job... ? only job i found is 300 wiles north cutting grass.....
[15:19] <compl3x> firebird619: how can I view the changelog at a predefined width? so its not over flowing past the rest of my conky?
[15:20] <chowabunga> you should look at the drop out rates of american highschools
[15:20] <Cann0n> compl3x: dotfiles.org
[15:20] <chowabunga> so dumbed down they cant even pass the dumbed down tests
[15:21] <firebird619> compl3x: in the .conkyrc_changelog file, you can set minimum_size 1000 600 and maximum_width. Keep adjusting until you get them how you like
[15:21] <firebird619> 1000 and 600 are what I use. You'll probably want to change those.
[15:21] <compl3x> firebird619: okay cheers
[15:21] <Cann0n> heh, im an idiot. but still, i just moved down here to look for work... now i have to go back up north to get a job mowing yards.... WTF
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[15:22] <firebird619> automounting in flux? ivman & pmount a good choice?
[15:22] <chowabunga> wow this house cleaner has been here for 6 hours
[15:22] <chowabunga> and i only have to pay 130 cash
[15:22] <Cann0n> eh... i dunno. i just use pcmanfm and it does my media well
[15:22] <Cann0n> i dont like automounting so... :P
[15:22] <dive> firebird619, I use Thunar and it auto mounts when I open it
[15:23] <compl3x> chowabunga: house cleaner aye? :p
[15:23] <chowabunga> mexican
[15:23] <Cann0n> pcmanfm > Thumar
[15:23] <dive> easier than setting up automounter
[15:23] <firebird619> dive: it doesn't for me, at least it didn't yesterday.
[15:23] <chowabunga> i want to find a job where i get paid cash
[15:23] <firebird619> Cann0n: Oh yeah, someone mentioned pcmanfm yesterday. I forgot about it already. :)
[15:23] <Cann0n> chowabunga: i'll clean your house for half of what you pay now....
[15:23] <compl3x> firebird619: that did nothing - and btw I have all my configs in one file :) - i never used that link you gave me..
[15:23] <chowabunga> i guess i better start freelancing/donig more contracting
[15:24] <dive> well you need the settings turned on and the thunar mount manager plugin or whatever its' acalled
[15:24] <firebird619> dive: I have that setup. Thunar's volume management.
[15:24] <Cann0n> firebird619: pcmanfm is the shit. it's better han Thumar imho
[15:24] <dive> ah I using xfce 4.6 from rworkman though
[15:24] <firebird619> compl3x: did you restart conky?
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[15:24] <chowabunga> mexicans are better...work harder for less money
[15:24] <firebird619> dive: me too
[15:24] <macman__> hey all im back
[15:24] <compl3x> firebird619: ofcourse
[15:24] <chowabunga> and spend it more wisely no doubt
[15:24] <firebird619> macman__: Oh NO.
[15:24] <firebird619> :P
[15:24] <macman__> lol
[15:24] <macman__> can  you belive im irssing on windows
[15:24] <Dominian> yep
[15:25] <compl3x> firebird619: dw think i got something here [=
[15:25] <chowabunga> macman__> cygwin?
[15:25] <firebird619> compl3x: what did you change to. It may be because you combined everything.
[15:25] <macman__> chowabunga: no
[15:25] <macman__> one sec
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[15:25] <chowabunga> i bet it uses cygwin1.dll
[15:25] <macman__> http://irssi.org/files/irssi-win32-0.8.12.exe
[15:25] <compl3x> firebird619: No im using a basic script - like standard conky
[15:25] <macman__> probably
[15:25] <Cann0n> chowabunga: they are also the reason im unemployeed... at wendy's last week, the cashier asked me what i wanted in spanish.... this is fucking America! at least use our language after you steal all the jobs....
[15:26] <chowabunga> Cann0n> uh they steal the low paying jobs because they are uneducated...whats your excuse
[15:26] <macman__> anyways .. i don't want to use lilo as my boot loader  i want to use grub as i already have linux installed
[15:26] <macman__> is this possible ?
[15:26] <chowabunga> you can go skilled labor or educated route
[15:26] <firebird619> Cann0n: installing pcmanfm now. Thanks. :)
[15:26] <chowabunga> skilled labor has my respect
[15:26] <macman__> anyone here using grub or triple / dual booting slackware ?
[15:26] <Cann0n> my excuse is ive been job hunting in Florida for 2.5 years and finally have a single job oppurtunity cutting yards 300 miles away...
[15:27] <Urchlay> if your job involves talking to the public though, you ought to be speaking the language of the country you're in... I'd never go to mexico or germany or whatever, and try to get a customer-service job speaking only english
[15:27] <chowabunga> i need a second language
[15:27] <Cann0n> i've applied at over 200 different places just this year...
[15:27] <Urchlay> chowabunga: try perl :)
[15:27] <chowabunga> Cann0n> are you a sex offender?
[15:27] <Cann0n> no. clean record.
[15:28] <chowabunga> well its going to get worse, so....id learn some survival skills
[15:28] <Cann0n> good drivers record too... never had a ticket.
[15:28] <chowabunga> Cann0n> maybe you are aiming too low...get a government job, or a factory job
[15:29] <Cann0n> chowabunga: i know... 2.5 years of sleeping on peoples couches is probably the best moral increaser EVER! </sarcasm>
[15:29] <chowabunga> will pay better and probably more likely to get hired than competing with 17 year olds
[15:29] <chowabunga> try UPS
[15:29] <chowabunga> also buy this book :P  http://ofthefield.com/html/learning_resources_3.html
[15:29] <Cann0n> chowabunga: heh... they are down sizing gavt jobs here....
[15:29] <chowabunga> florida is a cesspool
[15:29] <Cann0n> they are canning 30% of the cops here... and they closed 4 schools in the county
[15:30] <chowabunga> work for UPS as a package handler....you make lots of money
[15:31] <Cann0n> i can live in the woods if i had to... ive plucked chickens, skinned squirrels, made traps, friction fires, etc
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[15:31] <Cann0n> chowabunga: they not hiring here
[15:31] <chowabunga> Cann0n> so go to louisville
[15:32] <Cann0n> hell, i was for sure i was getting a job at a fire sprinler company, being i have all kinds of fire science certs.... but they had over 300 eople with 5+ years experience apply... so i doubt i got the job... plus they are family friends of the people im staying at... :(
[15:33] <chowabunga> wouldnt that be a shoe-in
[15:33] <Cann0n> chowabunga: i should just make a virus that seeks out people living in the USA that dont speak english and have jobs.....
[15:33] <chowabunga> hehe, you sound like a PNAC member
[15:33] <Cann0n> lol
[15:34] <chowabunga> you know what that means?
[15:34] <firebird619> Cann0n: Sweet, pcmanfm works great and automounts. Thanks agian.
[15:34] <Cann0n> but really, ive even been to those labor pools where all the mexicans stand in the mornings... and i never got hired... not even for bitch work...
[15:34] <firebird619> s/agian/again
[15:35] <Cann0n> firebird619: np dude! it's the only fm i use in X
[15:35] <dive> Cann0n, when I plug in usb stick pcmanfm shows it twice and it also shows / for some reason...
[15:35] <dive> why is that?
[15:36] <chowabunga> "And advanced forms of biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." - PNAC - Rebuilding Americas Defenses - Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Jeb Bush, etcc
[15:36] <Cann0n> dive: hmmm... that's odd. how do you have your fstab? did you add the right lines?
[15:36] <chowabunga> same document they called for a new pearl harbor to start their iraq-attack (which we got on 9/11)
[15:36] <dive> I don't have any lines for usb in fstab
[15:36] <dive> one sec though
[15:37] <firebird619> dive: mine did the same thing, showed my sd card twice, but after restarting pcmanfm, it was fine.
[15:37] <macman__> ok .. i just installed slackware to /dev/sda2 how would i put that into grub ?
[15:37] <Cann0n> dive: i dunno dude. never seen that issue. never had a chance to work on it. try setting up your fstab properly for the device. mines /dev/sda1
[15:37] <chowabunga> grub is too complex for me
[15:37] <compl3x> macman__: use lilo? :p
[15:37] <chowabunga> i <3 lilo
[15:37] <Cann0n> lilo FTW!
[15:38] <chowabunga> hey it works...why would anyone want grub
[15:38] <firebird619> Cann0n: +1
[15:38] <macman__> compl3x: i already have grub setup
[15:38] <chowabunga> obviously you didnt set it up yourself
[15:38] <chowabunga> or you would know how to add an entry
[15:38] <chowabunga> #grub
[15:38] <compl3x> macman__: google: add grub entry ? :p
[15:39] <macman__> chowabunga: i did .. i have put many distors into grub
[15:39] <chowabunga> ok slackware is the same
[15:39] <firebird619> then you should know how to add slackware
[15:39] <chowabunga> /boot/vmlinuz
[15:39] <macman__> compl3x: it came up but im missing something .. does slackware use a splash.initrd or what ?
[15:39] <dive> ok seems to be behaving after 2nd time I start it
[15:39] <chowabunga> copy the file or whatever...you need initrd too
[15:39] <firebird619> macman__: slackware doesn't have a splash screen
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[15:40] <chowabunga> firebird619> mine does....it came with 12.2
[15:40] <macman__> ok so i just need a /boot/vmlinuz
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[15:40] <firebird619> dive: yeah, it did that here too, just an odd quirk  Iguess.
[15:40] <macman__> chowabunga: so what do you have then ?
[15:40] <chowabunga> macman__> yeah and the initrd...
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[15:41] <firebird619> chowabunga: Oh wait, you mean lilo? My lilo has a splash screen. It shows Slackware Linux.
[15:41] <macman__> chowabunga: where is the initrd located ?
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[15:41] <chowabunga> macman__> in /boot/
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[15:42] <macman__> chowabunga: im going to put up a image tell me if it right ok
[15:42] <chowabunga> or you need to make one....its all documented in /boot/
[15:42] <chowabunga> i dont use grub
[15:42] <chowabunga> its a posimo
[15:43] <eviljames> Grub serves its purpose, though.
[15:43] <firebird619> agreed, grub has it's place.
[15:43] <chowabunga> where is that?
[15:43] <macman__> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 vga=127
[15:43] <macman__> initrd /boot/initrd
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[15:44] <firebird619> I don't know. Not on my system anyway. :)
[15:44] <eviljames> Well, to name a few examples
[15:44] <macman__> chowabunga: that look good ?
[15:44] <eviljames> OpenSolaris uses a customized version of grub to support booting from ZFS.
[15:44] <eviljames> Dual-boot opensolaris and Linux must use grub.
[15:44] <firebird619> ZFS FTW!!! :)
[15:44] <eviljames> firebird619: you know it bud :P
[15:44] <firebird619> :D
[15:44] <chowabunga> eviljames> uh solaris cant do initrd
[15:45] <chowabunga> lilo on linux partition + solaris entry + initrd ?
[15:45] <eviljames> No.
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[15:45] <eviljames> Lilo cannot read ZFS.
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[15:45] <chowabunga> it doesnt need to, the root= is passed
[15:45] <eviljames> and thus couldn't load the Solaris kernel at all.
[15:45] <chowabunga> the kernel is on the linux partition /boot/
[15:45] <eviljames> heh
[15:45] <eviljames> ok, well, you're welcome to try that.
[15:46] <eviljames> Let me know how it works out for you.  On the other hand, you install opensoalris w/ its grub and it will boot up your Linux side juste fine.
[15:46] <chowabunga> i wont install anything that uses grub :)
[15:47] <eviljames> I said the same once.  I'm still a proponent of lilo in an all-Linux environment.
[15:47] <chowabunga> no grubs in my master butt record
[15:47] <eviljames> Turns out that when you are doing work with a system your requirements change a bit.
[15:47] <chowabunga> true
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[15:48] <macman___> chowabunga: i don't see a /boot/initrd in /boot on slackware
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[15:48] <antiwire> ...
[15:48] <chowabunga> are you in slackware now?
[15:49] <Dominian> are you using the huge kernel?
[15:49] <Dominian> if so, you won't see one
[15:49] <chowabunga> macman__> try doing it withuot the initrd then
[15:49] <firebird619> Hey Dominian. How are you?
[15:49] <antiwire> you will need to build your initrd if you are not using a huge kernel and if you are able to ls /boot i can take a wild guess here that you're using huge
[15:50] <Dominian> firebird619: doing well! YOu?
[15:50] <antiwire> karmetasploit is pretty scary
[15:50] <antiwire> i have it working here now at a test
[15:51] <tecky> i loves you Dominian :P
[15:51] <firebird619> Dominian: Doing very well. Thanks. I haven't implemented my mailserver yet with your guide. I really want to soon though. From your guide, could I then also use imapd to sort of great my own imap server with my isp mail and point the mail client at it?
[15:51] <tecky>  /runs
[15:51] <firebird619> tecky: hey
[15:51] <tecky> afternoon :)
[15:51] <tecky> i'm driving to boston tonight :\
[15:51] <tecky> ugh
[15:51] <firebird619> tecky: good afternoon, how are you?
[15:52] <tecky> firebird619: decent, like i said .. kinda pissed i gotta drive all night tonight :(
[15:52] <Dominian> firebird619: IMAP doesn't "pulL" email.. you'd have to use fetchmail for something like that
[15:52] <firebird619> Dominian: yeah, but I could use imapd to sort of make an imapd server to use couldn't I?
[15:52] <Dominian> sure
[15:52] <antiwire> basically, it sets up an AP that automatically becomes any AP that clients probe for. then when they connect it has a slew of fake services running, like email, http, ftp, whatever that the clients might try to use. when they try to use one of the fake services metasploit automatically tries to inject shells or tcp listeners or will try to exploit the web browser to gain information. it's sick as all hell.
[15:53] <chowabunga> hey if my aunt bought a bunch of domains on godaddy...what can i do with them
[15:53] <firebird619> Dominian: ok, thanks. I may use imapd, but maybe not. It would probably be somewhat pointless if I already have whatever fetching and storing my mail anyway, huh?
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[15:53] <tecky> chowabunga: ? huh, host them? sell them? give them away?
[15:54] <Dominian> firebird619: Well, imap would give you the ability tou se webmail etc
[15:54] <Dominian> firebird619: but it may not be needed
[15:54] <firebird619> Yeah, I wouldn't really need webmail.
[15:54] <tecky> Dominian: why not use smtp + webmail (squrrel?)
[15:54] Action: Dominian nods
[15:54] <tecky> imap is ikky imho
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[15:54] <Dominian> tecky: need imap to auth squirrelmail unless you set it up differently
[15:54] <Dominian> but imap is definitely the easiest way
[15:54] <Dominian> I love imap
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[15:55] <tecky> Dominian: you can set it up differently, imap = extra traffic
[15:55] <firebird619> Dominian: have your mail server link handy, I think I lost it. :(
[15:55] <tecky> i dont want folder sync when i do it
[15:55] <Dominian> firebird619: wiki.slackadelic.com
[15:55] <firebird619> Dominian: :P, thanks.
[15:55] <tecky> firebird619: go smtp + squrrelmail :)
[15:55] <chowabunga> tecky> so they are just dns records?
[15:55] <tecky> fuck that imap shits :P
[15:55] <Dominian> imaps ftw
[15:55] <firebird619> I think imap is very nice tecky
[15:55] <tecky> chowabunga: yes? your question was very vague
[15:56] <firebird619> Dominian: I'd use imap straight from the isp, but they only offer that to business accounts.
[15:56] <firebird619> i.e. more expensive. :)
[15:56] <chowabunga> tecky> i dont know either....
[15:56] <tecky> firebird619: be careful hosting your own mailservice, some isp's monitor and will suspend service
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[15:56] <antiwire> gmail's managed mail with your own domain name is pretty slick
[15:57] <chowabunga> then you just run it on a different port
[15:57] <firebird619> tecky: I'm just wanting to have something that pulls my mail from the isp and store it in a mail directory and point the e-mail client to it.
[15:58] <dive> firebird619, fetchmail + procmail + sendmail + mutt
[15:58] <firebird619> Dominian: Also, I want to have something that does the same with e-mail I send, does postfix do that or would that be something else?
[15:58] <macman__> ok sorry for all the part/joins .. testing out grub on 2 diffrent systems
[15:58] <firebird619> dive: mutt is very nice, I prefer my opera mail though, but I would like to give mutt a try.
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[15:59] <chowabunga> firebird619> you are too polite
[15:59] <chowabunga> get off my internets!
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[15:59] <firebird619> dive: fetchmail, at it's basics, just needs the username, password, mailservers in a fetchmailrc file correct? (Yes, I will google it as well)
[15:59] <Cann0n> i need 200 USD... anyone have 200 USD sitting around that they dont want?
[15:59] <dive> yes
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[15:59] <macman__> chowabunga: you alive ? im getting a boot error .. says that it is booting slackware into readonly mode .. in grub i have kernel /boot/vmlinuz rw
[15:59] <firebird619> Cann0n: Nope, I don't. Sorry.
[15:59] <dive> firebird619, theres a gui tool to set it up though if you need it
[16:00] <Cann0n> man! i wanna see my girl...
[16:00] <dive> fetchmailconf
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[16:00] <chowabunga> macman__> you want to boot it read only
[16:00] <antiwire> Cann0n: I do, but i'll charge 18 points
[16:00] <macman__> ok
[16:00] <firebird619> dive: cool, I'll google for that, thanks.
[16:00] Action: dive throws a bucket of cold water over Cann0n 
[16:00] <macman__> chowabunga: so /boot/vmlinuz ro ?
[16:00] <chowabunga> hopefully its a warning and not an error
[16:00] <firebird619> dive: isn't procmail more for filtering, etc.
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[16:00] <dive> firebird619, yes it sorts out the mail from fetchmail into folders/mboxen
[16:01] <chowabunga> image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29  root = /dev/sda3  label = Linux-New  read-only  (IN LILO)
[16:01] <dive> also you might to try spamassassin with it
[16:01] <firebird619> dive: Ah, ok. That would for sure be needed in my case. :P I have tons of different folders, etc.
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[16:01] <chowabunga> Dominian> can a private mail server normally send to the big boys without getting black listed?
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[16:02] <firebird619> dive: Ok, my isp does very well filtering junk mail, I don't get any.
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[16:02] <chowabunga> they filter out good mail too
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[16:02] <firebird619> I've never had good mail filtered, but they sure keep the junk out.
[16:02] <macman__> chowabunga: ok it worked .. im not getting the error message anymore
[16:02] <dive> chowabunga, sometimes private servers do a resolve check and if you don't belong to a known/trusted domain = blacklist or at least blocked
[16:03] <chowabunga> dive> thats what ive heard
[16:03] <chowabunga> and there is a big process to get white listed
[16:03] <chowabunga> for each hotmail/yahoo/gmail
[16:03] <dive> yeah and sometimes it costs £££
[16:03] <dive> better off using sendmail or whatever to relay to your ISPs domain
[16:04] <chowabunga> if your messages are encrypted
[16:04] <dive> and hope they don't get blacklisted like telewest did a few times (snigger)
[16:04] <firebird619> dive: err, I had a good guide that configured fetchmail, etc. and now I can't find it. :P
[16:04] <Dominian> chowabunga: yep.. I sent to gmail, aol, comcast, yahoo all the time
[16:04] Action: firebird619 googles more
[16:04] <macman__> oo kde looks awesome
[16:05] <chowabunga> Dominian> does your guide do imap send/recieve encryption
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[16:07] <chowabunga> isnt it funny that gmail only encrypts the login information but the rest goes over wan unencrypted?
[16:07] <bhodgins> Slackware does it with style.
[16:07] <straterra> chowabunga: thats easy to fix
[16:07] <dive> dunno I pgp
[16:07] <dive> use*
[16:07] <chowabunga> straterra> oh with a real mail client
[16:07] <antiwire> thunderbird + enigmail
[16:08] <straterra> Uhm..with a web browser
[16:08] <chowabunga> hmm
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[16:08] <antiwire> tunnel it
[16:09] <antiwire> if you're on a hostile network just tunnel
[16:09] <chowabunga> ive already boycotted gmail anyway...i either need to validate on sdf or get a better freemail
[16:09] <eviljames> man
[16:09] <thrice`> why ?
[16:09] <eviljames> If you just put an "s" in the URL for gmail it's 'secure' enough for the web.
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[16:09] <thrice`> gmail conspiracy bullshit is quite funny
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[16:10] <antiwire> I, for one, welcome our new email overlords.
[16:10] <chowabunga> its not just gmail, its google-*
[16:10] <eviljames> http://mail.google.com/mail?shva=1#inbox change that to https://mail.... and it works like magic!
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[16:10] <dive> antiwire, lol
[16:10] <chowabunga> im sure you like every page with google analytics and google ads reporting you to google
[16:10] <thrice`> ah, ok.  google conspiracy bullshit is quite funny **
[16:10] <eviljames> antiwire: that episode of Simpsons was on the other day, it made me chuckle.
[16:10] <antiwire> lol
[16:10] <chowabunga> and having that linked to your e-mail by ip address
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[16:10] <thrice`> honestly, who cares ?
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[16:10] <firebird619> dive: fetchmailconf doesn't load, I get errors. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13703
[16:10] <chowabunga> well they have to pay me if they want to datamine me
[16:11] <antiwire> thrice`: yeah man, just because we're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't after us ;)
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[16:11] <eviljames> thrice`: I'm in agreement with you a bit here.  My e-mail is mostly open source mailing lists and the occasional "dood check this band out!" myspace link.  big whoop.
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[16:11] <Dominian> chowabunga: Imap does NO sending
[16:11] <eviljames> thrice`: at least, that's the kind of stuff that happens on my gmail account...
[16:11] <Dominian> IMAP has nothing to do with sending/receiving at all.
[16:11] <chowabunga> hell even pages with youtube embeds report you to google, they know everything
[16:11] <dive> firebird619, libtk seems to be missing
[16:12] <thrice`> sure, but gmail filters pretty well for me :)
[16:12] <chowabunga> nothing to worry about if you follow the mainstream *foo
[16:12] <antiwire> Dominian: when are you going to braindump everything you know about setting up Slackware to be a massive email solution?
[16:12] <antiwire> 'cmon man
[16:12] <eviljames> hahah nothing to worry about if you're sitting aroudn watching zeitgeist either.
[16:12] <Dominian> antiwire: its on my wiki.. well some of it is
[16:12] <thrice`> sure, they make a ton of money, but they also push alot of money out to OSS projects and such, so they aren't completely evil
[16:12] <Dominian> that wiki article I wrote is way behind the times.
[16:12] <Dominian> I really should redo it
[16:12] <firebird619> dive: Hmm, ok. I'll try and hunt that down.
[16:12] <Dominian> I don't use a lot of that now.. and a lot of it has changed
[16:13] <antiwire> hmm
[16:13] <dive> you should have tk
[16:14] <chowabunga> http://pastebin.com/d478c8278
[16:14] <firebird619> dive: What's the actual package name? tk or libtk?
[16:14] <dive> tk
[16:14] <dive> for 12.2 /var/log/packages/tk-8.5.5-i486-1
[16:14] <firebird619> ls /var/log/packages/*tk* doesn't show it
[16:15] <firebird619> dive: can I just do slackpkg install tk then?
[16:15] <dive> should be able to
[16:15] <firebird619> k, thank you.
[16:15] <chowabunga> thrice`> http://pastebin.com/d7896f995   http://pastebin.com/d478c8278   http://pastebin.com/d4bc516e5
[16:16] <firebird619> what series is tk in, i.e. xap, a, etc.?
[16:16] <eviljames> t/
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[16:16] <monstro> Hi folks!
[16:16] <eviljames> cl
[16:16] <eviljames> heh
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[16:16] <eviljames> firebird619: tcl/ :P
[16:16] <monstro> How to burn file .gbi in Slackware ?
[16:16] <firebird619> eviljames: Ok, I think I left that out. Remember I left a couple out for the StudioS stuff. :)
[16:16] <chowabunga> monstro> google for gbi2iso ?
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[16:17] <chowabunga> thrice`> http://pastebin.com/d119015e4
[16:17] <eviljames> firebird619: right, I usually leave out e/ at the very least
[16:17] <firebird619> eviljames: yeah, that explains it then. :)
[16:18] <chowabunga> monstro> s/google/search/gi  *try scroogle.org*
[16:18] <firebird619> eviljames: I have written down somewhere what I left out, also, at the top of the StudioS guide where I have the build instructions, whatever series isn't there is what I left out.
[16:18] <rg3> monstro: convert it to ISO
[16:18] <rg3> oh, lag
[16:19] <firebird619> eviljames: haha, now it complains for tcl. I suppose I better just install tcl/ :P
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[16:20] <chowabunga> is everyone using ext3
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[16:20] <eviljames> ext3 for / , xfs for /home
[16:20] <monstro> rg3, yes,  what program i use ?
[16:20] <chowabunga> im so lazy my /home is a symlink to another partition
[16:21] <antiwire> that's pretty ghetto
[16:21] Action: eviljames tries to parse... does not computer
[16:21] <eviljames> man, I type computer too much apparently.  s/computer/compute/
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[16:22] <chowabunga> lol
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[16:22] <rg3> monstro: magiciso with wine seems to be the clearest path
[16:22] <firebird619> eviljames: wel, compute is only a letter away from computer, simple mistake. :P
[16:22] <firebird619> s/wel/well
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[16:22] <chowabunga> parser failed, check your grammar
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[16:24] <dive> grammar failed, check your pebkac
[16:24] <chowabunga> you can avoid that mistake if you type computar for computer
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[16:25] <eviljames> s/avoid that mistake/look really goofy/
[16:25] <chowabunga> optionally followed by "machien"
[16:25] <dive> ¢ømþµ?e¶
[16:26] <dive> I think probably difference engine is better
[16:26] <chowabunga> step reckoner!
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[16:26] <Urchlay> my /home is a symlink to /export/home, I don't consider it ghetto
[16:27] <eviljames> Do you consider it Solaris?
[16:27] <eviljames> :P
[16:27] <Urchlay>  /export is a 1 terabyte partition, not all of which I want to dedicate to /home (the rest is /export/public)
[16:27] <Urchlay> eviljames: heh, no, but now that you mention it I guess that's where I got the name /export
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[16:27] <eviljames> Urchlay: I might've guessed hehe
[16:27] <eviljames> oh, wait, I did.  scratch that and reverse it.
[16:28] <chowabunga> deeeeejayyyy
[16:28] <Urchlay> I draw the line at making /usr/bin a symlink to /bin... that's just weird
[16:28] <eviljames> s/weird/wrong/
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[16:28] <eviljames> ftfy
[16:28] <chowabunga> very wrong
[16:29] <Urchlay> (or is it the other way around? I'm thinking of solaris 7)
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[16:29] <dartmouth> anyone know what the framebuffer console rotation actually does?  i tried googling and didn't pull anything up
[16:29] <dartmouth> but i could be having google interface caused by beer
[16:29] <dartmouth> *interference
[16:29] <dive> it rotates the console
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[16:29] <eviljames> Make your wide screen into a tall screen
[16:29] <dartmouth> oh
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[16:29] <dartmouth> that's horrible lol
[16:30] <Urchlay> I do like the idea of /sbin/sh being a statically-linked shell (sol7 does that IIRC)
[16:30] <dartmouth> who would do that?
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[16:30] <Urchlay> I would, if I were trying to do page layouts for real desktop publishing stuff
[16:30] <dive> people who like turning their laptops on there sides
[16:30] <compl3x> firebird619: finally got a nice slit at the top of my monitor now :) - need to work out how to add a box around it tho :p
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[16:31] <firebird619> compl3x: a box around conky?
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[16:31] <Urchlay> ...or, if I were building a dedicated MAME cabinet to play arcade games whose monitors are in that orientation
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[16:31] <compl3x> firebird619: yeah well like a black box around it - so i can see the text on any bg
[16:31] <dive> yeah a lot of embedded stuff does that
[16:31] <chowabunga> Urchlay> that is a good idea...my /bin/bash is dynamically linked doh
[16:31] <firebird619> compl3x: draw_borders yes in .conkyrc for one thing.
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[16:31] <dive> aka taller than wider
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[16:32] <firebird619> compl3x: second, own_window_transparent no in .conkyrc
[16:32] <compl3x> firebird619: dont all that -wasn't succesful
[16:32] <firebird619> compl3x: screenshot?
[16:32] <firebird619> please. :)
[16:33] <firebird619> I can maybe help better if I see what it's like now.
[16:33] <compl3x> firebird619: okay [=
[16:33] <firebird619> dive: I got fetchmailconf working now, thanks.
[16:33] <dive> firebird619, it makes it a little easier to set up
[16:33] <acidchild> firebird619: try 'getmail' :P
[16:34] <acidchild> just as you get fetchmail working rofl
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[16:35] <dive> edman007 got a brother?
[16:35] <Urchlay> pac-man, galaga, donkey kong, centipede... all have "portrait mode" monitors (actually they're regular CRTs mounted sideways in the cabinets)
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[16:35] <compl3x> firebird619: http://imagebin.org/48964
[16:35] <chowabunga> i wired up a mame cabinet for work
[16:35] <chowabunga> like 6000 games hehe
[16:36] <Urchlay> chowabunga: might consider building busybox and installing it in /busybox, so in a real emergency you can go "linux init=/busybox/sh", then once you get a shell, "export PATH=/busybox". That'll give you some useful recovery tools
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[16:36] <Urchlay> chowabunga: did you actually get paid to do that?
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[16:36] <Urchlay> cause if so, you've got a cooler job than I ever had
[16:36] <chowabunga> Urchlay> true, but ill take my chances with a slack boot cd
[16:36] <chowabunga> just lazy
[16:37] <firebird619> compl3x: could you paste your .conkyrc somewhere too?
[16:37] <chowabunga> and i dont break slackware anymore....if i ever needed that i'd have bigger problems to worry about
[16:37] <dive> compl3x,  draw_outline yes
[16:37] <dive>  draw_borders yes
[16:37] <dive> try those, one should work
[16:37] <compl3x> firebird619:  already ahead of you - http://pastebin.com/m450b2528
[16:37] <compl3x> dive: okay [=
[16:37] <firebird619> compl3x: sweet.
[16:38] <firebird619> compl3x: yeah, change draw_outline to draw_outline yes
[16:38] <firebird619> or actually to true
[16:38] <compl3x> firebird619: just tried it - it just outlines the text :/ does nothing else
[16:38] <dive> draw_borders yes?
[16:38] <compl3x> dive: yep
[16:38] <firebird619> dive: it's already set to yes
[16:39] <dive> hmm
[16:39] <firebird619> compl3x: try switching own_window to own_window yes
[16:39] <firebird619> err, own_window true
[16:39] <compl3x> firebird619: if your wondering why I have middle_left its because im running twinview -its a pain if I dont
[16:39] <dive> you have border_width 0
[16:39] <compl3x> firebird619: that helped [= nearly there
[16:40] <firebird619> yeah, try changing that too, it won't give a border if it's at 0
[16:40] <compl3x> firebird619: yeah that did it - just nneed to resize it to the width of my monitor [=
[16:40] <firebird619> compl3x: sweet
[16:40] <compl3x> dive: haha nice spot :p
[16:40] <chowabunga> you know if you are going for pretty / snazzy / full blown eye candy desktop...gentoo is probably a lot easier and just as easy to work with
[16:40] <dive> burn the witch!
[16:40] <compl3x> chowabunga: yeah but i want to use slackware ;)
[16:40] <firebird619> you could also change the colors too if the border, etc if you want compl3x
[16:40] <compl3x> firebird619: already there haha :)
[16:41] <firebird619> compl3x: good grief man your fast. :P
[16:41] <chowabunga> but i dunno about 3 days talking about conky
[16:41] <chowabunga> i mean...#conky plz
[16:41] <chowabunga> kinda depressing me hehe
[16:41] <firebird619> chowabunga: It takes a while to get conky set up right. I've spent about 3-4 days with it now.
[16:41] <compl3x> chowabunga: weve had worse convos in here tbh
[16:41] <antiwire> i didn't want to say anything about that myself
[16:41] <antiwire> at least someone else did
[16:42] <chowabunga> i'd rather spend 3 days doing dominians mail server than some eye candy status monitor that you may not even glance at once its setup
[16:42] <compl3x> what ever floats your boat :p
[16:42] <dive> yeah I don't use anything now on the desktop
[16:43] <dive> bored with that and it looks too crowded
[16:43] <compl3x> and last time i went to #conky it was dead in there
[16:43] <chowabunga> xfce4 + xterms works for me
[16:43] <chowabunga> no transparency or anything
[16:43] <firebird619> compl3x: it's dead alot, but if you ask something, they're quick to answer most of the time.
[16:43] <compl3x> firebird619: ah okay
[16:44] <firebird619> chowabunga: I'm on flux, you'd probably not like my desktop. conky and a transparent borderless terminal. :)
[16:44] <compl3x> firebird619: same here now :p
[16:44] <chowabunga> id probably like it, just not enough to spend 3 days on
[16:45] <firebird619> chowabunga: http://imagebin.org/48942
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[16:45] <chowabunga> this coming from the guy that used to have like 11 fluxbox slit widgets
[16:45] <chowabunga> in my ricer days
[16:45] <chowabunga> firebird619> your cpu is spiking hard
[16:46] <chowabunga> hell i dont even use a PS1 prompt...talk about lazy minimalist
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[16:46] <firebird619> chowabunga: yeah, I don't know why it's doing that, I'm not compiling or doing anything.
[16:46] <Pig_Pen> run top a while and see whats up firebird619
[16:47] <antiwire> it couldn't be conky taking up all the cpu now could it....
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[16:47] <antiwire> lmao
[16:47] <firebird619> hahaha
[16:47] <dartmouth> do you need to do a 'make clean' when you're REbuilding a kernel after changing config or is that a myth?
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[16:48] <firebird619> highest in top are opera and firefox
[16:48] <compl3x> http://imagebin.org/48971  - you cant see the top border of conky here -just twinviews being stupid and when I shoted it messed up
[16:48] <antiwire> dartmouth: if you just made a change make will figure it out. if you patched something i'd make clean though
[16:48] <Pig_Pen> the few times i tried gnome i noticed gnome-system-monitor is evil, that is ironic, a system monitor that is a resource hog
[16:48] <chowabunga> firebird619> so you resort to top with all your monitors lol
[16:48] <dartmouth> antiwire: i made many, many changes lol
[16:48] <firebird619> compl3x: that looks much nicer.
[16:48] <dartmouth> but not patches
[16:48] <compl3x> firebird619: yep [=
[16:48] <antiwire> dartmouth: it should be fine but if you're worried and have the time, clean it
[16:48] <firebird619> chowabunga: haha, I don't have a top monitor in conky. :)
[16:49] <Pig_Pen> firebird619: some plugin? flash can be a hog sometimes
[16:49] <chowabunga> i noticed
[16:49] <chowabunga> your cpu is getting raped
[16:49] <antiwire> dartmouth: if you don't run make clean it will only rebuilt the detected changes and the image. if you run make clean it start fresh on everything
[16:49] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: nope, no flash or anything.
[16:49] <firebird619> chowabunga: yeah, and hard.
[16:49] <chowabunga> or the scaling is way off
[16:49] <dartmouth> what i'd like to do is have the modules that i always compile for my particular setup to be actual kernel modules so i dont have to keep rebuilding them separately from the kernel
[16:49] <chowabunga> could be the conky scaling, whats top say for cpu usage total
[16:49] <firebird619> chowabunga: not so sure it's off. the fans are running pretty good right now.
[16:49] <dartmouth> like my fglrx and my ndiswrapper
[16:50] <antiwire> dartmouth: those *should* get blown out by make modules_install regardless
[16:50] <antiwire> and that's actually proper
[16:50] <firebird619> chowabunga: top shows it fluctuating between 46 and 91%
[16:50] <dive> dartmouth, if you make packages for outside kernel modules, so long as you dont change kernels or local name you can just installpkg them again
[16:50] <dartmouth> 'blown out'?  if only.  ndiswrapper, if you do a slackbuild stays installed but it can't be used, so it gets messy after a kernel rebuild
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[16:51] <Pig_Pen> dartmouth: in order for that to happen Linus would have to put them in to the kernel source tree
[16:51] <dartmouth> and the ati prop drivers, i dont know man.  would be nice
[16:51] <dive> dartmouth, out-tree modules get deleted on kernel rebuild
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[16:52] <Pig_Pen> and Linus hates ndiswrapper so that is not likely to happen
[16:52] <firebird619> dive: in fetchmailconf, is the poll in seconds or minutes?
[16:52] <dive> hmm can't recall
[16:52] <firebird619> dive: nm, I found it. :P
[16:52] <dartmouth> i guess i have a libertas chipset so i may have to just figure out how to live without ndiswrapper (god that would be nice)
[16:52] <firebird619> it's seconds
[16:52] <dartmouth> 04:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
[16:53] <antiwire> ndiswrapper gives me hives
[16:53] <Pig_Pen> get a linux compatible card dartmouth
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[16:53] <dartmouth> Pig_Pen: sure.  can I have some money?
[16:53] <antiwire> if i ever get a system that uses ndiswrapper for any drivers it would be the first thing i rip out and replace
[16:53] <dive> learn to steal
[16:53] <dartmouth> Wait, wait, I might have it in my budget.  Let me check.  It could have changed from $0.00
[16:53] <antiwire> dartmouth: is this a laptop?
[16:53] <dive> lol ok
[16:53] <dartmouth> no its not
[16:54] <firebird619> Hmm, I had fetchmailconf check for supported protocols and it shows that imap is supported.
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[16:54] <dartmouth> Nope.  Still $0.00
[16:54] <Urchlay> the whole concept of ndiswrapper is horrible. Let's take our super-stable OS and add a shim layer so we can run unstable drivers from an unstable OS
[16:54] <dartmouth> lol
[16:54] <antiwire> dartmouth: you know that if you don't need AP/master mode you can just get a cheap Alfa networks rtl8187 USB card.
[16:54] <dive> my thoughts too
[16:54] <antiwire> supported directly by the kernel mac80211 and injection works too
[16:54] <Urchlay> (and yeah I do know it's the only way to get some kinds of hardware working, but to my mind that's not really "working")
[16:55] <dartmouth> antiwire: what i'd like is a router that connects to my wifi network (wirelessly) and provides access to all of these machines and not just one
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[16:55] <antiwire> a cheap Fonera unit with dd-wrt or openwrt then
[16:55] <antiwire> i'm doing exactly what you described right now
[16:55] <antiwire> doing/using
[16:56] <antiwire> the Fonera is my repeater
[16:56] <antiwire> I get my own subnet which i'm connected to using WPA2-AES and the fonera connects to the main AP using WPA2-AES as well
[16:56] <antiwire> works great
[16:56] <dartmouth> I have a netgear MR814v3 im not using....still have the receipts...maybe I could exchange it for something nicer?
[16:56] <Urchlay> microsoft's standard answer to the "windows is unstable" complaint is "no, 3rd-party drivers cause the crashes"... which is at least partly true (windows does crash on its own, but flaky drivers make it much worse)... I can only imagine the drivers are even more likely to crash in a "foreign" environment like Linux
[16:57] <Pig_Pen> dang! i just heard on the radio that some taliban went to a girls school in afghanistan and attacked some girls by throwing acid in their faces, fucking bastards man!
[16:57] <dive> dartmouth, what is that? a router? nic?
[16:58] <dartmouth> router
[16:58] <Urchlay> wtf would anyone even want to do that for?
[16:58] <dartmouth> i was thinking how nice it would be to handle all the wifi stuff at the router level and just deal with wired connections on the pc's
[16:59] <dartmouth> pipe dreams for right now
[16:59] <dive> Urchlay, because now girls/women don't have to wear veils, which the taliban don't agree with? Dunno could any dumb reason they decide
[17:00] <alienBOB> The taliban do not want women to have an education
[17:00] <dive> and they also don't agree with women being educated
[17:00] <Pig_Pen> they follow a primitive religion to the extreme, i guess they want to live in a perpetual dark/middle ages
[17:00] <alienBOB> So they have been attacking girl schools in the past few weeks
[17:00] <acidchild> Pig_Pen: just like when they pour acid somewhere else, to make woman not enjoy sex.
[17:00] <compl3x> Pig_Pen: +1
[17:00] <firebird619> Hi alienBOB. How are you today?
[17:00] <acidchild> Pig_Pen: turning them in just uneducated baby machines.
[17:00] <acidchild> Pig_Pen: pretty fucking sick
[17:00] <acidchild> heh
[17:01] <Urchlay> sometimes I think the world would be better off if we sterilized the middle east completely
[17:01] <acidchild> Urchlay: ...
[17:01] <dive> they are second class citizens
[17:01] <Urchlay> like, bomb it until it's a sheet of glass
[17:01] <antiwire> here we go
[17:01] <antiwire> screw this
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[17:01] <Pig_Pen> seems like the muslems that do have good sense would be hunting them down and killing them
[17:01] <Urchlay> ...but I don't really believe that, I only think it sometimes as a knee-jerk stupid reaction
[17:01] <dartmouth> Urchlay: i've been saying that for years, but no one will listen to me :(
[17:01] <acidchild> please don't refer to them people are 'muslems'
[17:01] <acidchild> thats a religion
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[17:01] <acidchild> not a race
[17:01] <Urchlay> dartmouth: I don't really mean it. I just think it in darker moments
[17:02] <dartmouth> I mean it.
[17:02] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: If that were true, Christians of good sense would be going vigilante on the KKK.
[17:02] <vastina> anyone have any MAPI solutions for Mutt or at least some CLI *n?x mail client
[17:02] <Rat409> alpine,maybe?
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[17:02] <Pig_Pen> yeah, i guess so, i dont understand the world anymore, so full of brutal ignorance anymore
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[17:03] <acidchild> Pig_Pen: so was america and europe
[17:03] <dive> vastina, mutt should support imap folders (but that may be in a later version that default slack)
[17:03] <acidchild> before they developed.
[17:03] <Urchlay> Pig_Pen: I think it was always that way, we just have better/faster sources of information so we know more about it now
[17:03] <dartmouth> Well you know what the solution for wide-spread ignorance is....
[17:03] <eviljames> acidchild: +1
[17:03] <dartmouth> Wide-spread murder.
[17:03] <eviljames> dartmouth: That sounds like a productive way to help the situation.
[17:03] <dartmouth> I agree.
[17:03] <vastina> dive: mapi support not imap... i'd give a toe to have imap support aorund here
[17:03] <dive> ah sorry
[17:03] <Urchlay> dartmouth: so you're a modern hitler?
[17:04] <dartmouth> Eh.  No.  I am more of a machiavellian
[17:04] <acidchild> Urchlay: *racist
[17:04] <Urchlay> kill all those who oppose us?
[17:04] <straterra> dartmouth: start with yourself
[17:04] <dive> my eyes are doing typos on me
[17:04] <eviljames> Urchlay: Hold on, how can you go Godwin, when it was you that said bomb the place until it's a sheet of glass?
[17:04] <firebird619> dive: know of a gui for procmail? I've been googling and haven't come across anything yet?
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[17:04] <acidchild> dartmouth: man your parents really failed to make the right genetic mixture with you eh?
[17:04] <Urchlay> eviljames: I said "sometimes I think that, but it's a stupid thing to really believe"
[17:04] <dive> firebird619, there isn't afaik - just google around and have a look at other peoples rc recipes
[17:04] <dartmouth> kill all those who oppose us?  no.  just those who are enemies to the progress of all societies.
[17:04] <eviljames> Urchlay: ahh, I missed the 2nd half.
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[17:04] <Pig_Pen> just a few hundred years ago even christianity was just as brutal, they burned people alive for not being christian
[17:04] <firebird619> dive: Ok, thank you. :) I got fetchmail all set up now.
[17:04] <Urchlay> Pig_Pen: yup
[17:04] <acidchild> yep!
[17:04] <eviljames> dartmouth: Enemies to the progress of all societies?  Christianity.
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[17:05] <eviljames> If we're going to nuke anything, the Vatican has to go first.
[17:05] <dartmouth> we already took care of them.
[17:05] <Urchlay> who gets to define "progress" then?
[17:05] <eviljames> "AIDS may be bad, but condoms are worse" -- the pope.
[17:05] <dartmouth> Urchlay: the league of scientists :P
[17:05] <acidchild> LOL eviljames
[17:05] <acidchild> :D
[17:05] <Urchlay> ehmm
[17:05] <firebird619> eviljames: hahaha
[17:05] <Urchlay> the Guild of Calamitous Intent?
[17:05] <dartmouth> GHHA
[17:05] <dartmouth> hah
[17:05] <compl3x> Ive never met a religious linux user haha :p
[17:05] <dive> eviljames, the big problem that seems to be killing more people than aids is good sanitation and fresh water
[17:05] <acidchild> condoms are bad, but you just can't be sure that bitch is clean!
[17:05] <acidchild> :D
[17:06] <firebird619> haha
[17:06] <dartmouth> yeah i bet the pope is chewing his arm off with this whole legal gay marriage thing
[17:06] <Urchlay> compl3x: you probably use software written by one. Larry Wall, author of the diff and patch utils, and everyone's favorite language (or most hated language), Perl
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[17:06] <Pig_Pen> i tried to believe in god many years ago but christian absurdities and ignorant closed minds turned me off from it and i went atheist
[17:06] <eviljames> You guys are laughing, but the pope actually said that Condoms were not the answer to the fight against aids in africa.
[17:06] <compl3x> Urchlay: yeah but never met one ;) :p
[17:06] <eviljames> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090317/Pope_africa_090317/20090317?hub=CTVNewsAt11 <- 6 weeks ago.
[17:06] <dartmouth> eviljames: yeah i heard that
[17:06] <acidchild> eviljames: LOL :D
[17:06] <alienBOB> Channel - please watch out with all the religion bashing.
[17:06] <compl3x> the pope is an idiot
[17:06] <acidchild> eviljames: God is right?
[17:07] <acidchild> :P
[17:07] <acidchild> is,*
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[17:07] <eviljames> alienBOB: my bad.
[17:07] <dartmouth> eek; bad timing compl3x lol
[17:07] <Pig_Pen> alienBOB: noted and done :)
[17:07] <compl3x> he probably just likes a good old shag without a condom - so I says yeah its bad
[17:07] <acidchild> Save yourself from AIDS and hell, don't use a condom, but god on your cock.
[17:07] <acidchild> put*
[17:07] <Urchlay> eh, isn't the pope like 300 years old?
[17:07] <dartmouth> oops.  eric I take responsibility for this I started it
[17:07] <compl3x> :/
[17:08] <Urchlay> can't imagine he's in any shape to really care about the sex thing, except intellectually
[17:08] <compl3x> told
[17:08] <straterra> alienBOB: use the banhammer
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[17:08] <acidchild> Urchlay: he might be some what the expert, you never know.
[17:08] <acidchild> ... about little boys
[17:08] <eviljames> acidchild: I was just about to go there hahahaha
[17:08] <Urchlay> acidchild: heh, I knew you were going to say that
[17:08] <acidchild> xD
[17:08] <compl3x> olol :p
[17:08] <Urchlay> (or anyway I knew someone was)
[17:09] <Urchlay> anyway not interested in popes really... am interested in getting people to quit killing each other, but I have no proposed solution
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[17:10] <dive> Urchlay, education is a good solution
[17:10] <dartmouth> /lib/modules/2.6.29.2-smp/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/libertas  <--  04:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)  | these should be compatible, no?
[17:10] <dive> so is a bearable standard of living
[17:11] <firebird619> dive: oops, I have to specify in .fetchmailrc where to put the mail don't I. :P
[17:11] <dive> dartmouth, it ought to say in the menuconfig which versions it supports
[17:11] <tewmten> acidchild: http://www.sillyape.org/trash/SuicideGirls.jpg
[17:11] <dartmouth> Urchlay: i think the best solution to get people to stop kiling each other is to be more focused about who we kill for a little while, and also do it faster.
[17:11] <acidchild> suicide girls?! :D:D:D
[17:11] <tewmten> bwhahaha
[17:11] <acidchild> damn you :(
[17:11] <tewmten> acidchild: wzup dude?
[17:11] <dive> firebird619, no procmail does that, and if you haven't set a procmailrc up yet it _should_ end up in mbox
[17:11] <acidchild> tewmten: waiting for some `erb
[17:11] <tewmten> nice
[17:12] <acidchild> got these really pretty glass screens for the bowl yesterday
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[17:12] <Urchlay> I can't even make myself stop thinking of killing as a solution to some problems... even though I *know* it's not
[17:12] <acidchild> they are little flowers :D
[17:12] <tewmten> check out my new room, i just moved, http://gaskammare.se/~tew/mission-control.jpg
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[17:12] <dartmouth> oh, jeez, it doesn't matter how many drivers i cut out of menuconfig it's still filling up the compile time with 70% of stuff I don't need
[17:12] <tewmten> geeky
[17:12] <tewmten> hehe
[17:12] <acidchild> lol
[17:12] <acidchild> you have the same speakers as me :X
[17:12] <Pig_Pen> if the greedy corporate capitalists would quit trying to keep it all for for them selves and spread it around, but obama's idea of spreading the wealth seems to be spreading the tax dollars around to wealthy bankers mostly
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[17:12] <eviljames> tewmten: I have those speakers.  They're nice :P
[17:12] <tewmten> they're alright for what they cost
[17:12] <firebird619> dive: mbox a directory or mbox mail format? That's another thing I need to read, I wish to have it as MH format.
[17:12] <tewmten> that is, real cheap
[17:13] <tewmten> :D
[17:13] <Pig_Pen> meet the new boss, same as the old boss
[17:13] <Urchlay> dive: but it appears that most of the people in those fundamentalist countries don't *want* education. You can't force someone to learn if they're totally opposed to it
[17:13] <dive> firebird619, mbox is a file
[17:13] <dartmouth> altec lansing is the linuxy-hobo solution
[17:13] <firebird619> dive: Ok, thanks.
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[17:13] <eviljames> dartmouth: Those are Logitech :P
[17:13] <dive> Urchlay, that's why a decent standard of living helps too
[17:13] <eviljames> tewmten: That's pretty much my stance to.  Price/Performance tradeoff, they're good.
[17:13] <dartmouth> I was talking about me, not you :P -- who talks about other people? lol
[17:14] <tewmten> eviljames: yeah.. some day i will get a proper sound system
[17:14] <dive> Urchlay, most of it comes down to the 'withs' and 'withouts'
[17:14] <eviljames> dartmouth: oh hahaha I thought you were referring to the ones in the pic
[17:14] <tewmten> but my flatmate has a nice soundsystem so i use that alot
[17:14] <tewmten> so i dont really mind these
[17:14] <eviljames> tewmten: I have a 1 bedroom apartment, a nice sound system is not in the cards for me for a while
[17:14] <dartmouth> no, no, I'm far too self-absorbed for that.
[17:14] <eviljames> dartmouth: I like your style
[17:14] <tewmten> eviljames: i understand what you mean
[17:14] <Urchlay> dive: part of a decent standard of living involves not being treated like an animal (which is basically how women are treated there)
[17:14] <tewmten> hey hey
[17:14] <dive> Urchlay, yeah I tend to agree there
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[17:15] <Urchlay> dive: you need a decent standard of living to make them educated, but you need education to give them a decent standard of living... catch 22 all over again
[17:15] <Pig_Pen> i bet they treat animals better than they treat their woman
[17:15] <eviljames> Urchlay, dive: either of you guys actually been there, or are you just referring to the propoganda?
[17:15] <tewmten> you dont have chain on your woman in the kitchen?
[17:15] <tewmten> poor planning man
[17:15] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: same Q.  YOu've been to the middle east, or you're just referring to the propaganda about it?
[17:15] <Urchlay> eviljames: I'm basing the "they treat their women like shit" on conversations I've had with a couple of muslims living in the US
[17:15] <tewmten> if you dont put a chain on them they get these stupid ideas about freedom and having opinions
[17:16] <tewmten> damnit i bet soon they will be allowed to vote also
[17:16] <Urchlay> no, I haven't been there
[17:16] <tewmten> :O
[17:16] <dive> eviljames, Urchlay I was thinking more about poor african countries rather that afghanistan et al
[17:16] <firebird619> dive: I found a short and sweet procmailrc to go off of. :)
[17:16] <eviljames> tewmten: uppity women.  Always thinkin they 'deserve' things like 'rights' and 'value'...
[17:16] <tewmten> yeah
[17:16] <tewmten> you know what i say to that
[17:16] <tewmten> "go iron my shirts, bitch!"
[17:16] <jeev> you guys have to remember, what you see in the media isn't always how it is. some cities in certain countries have terrible people.. just like collectively, america has some terrible people.
[17:16] <acidchild> tewmten: yeah, don't you find the bass is WAY too high on low?
[17:16] <eviljames> dive: oh man, Africa is a mess.  a collective disaster.  Obviously there are good spots, but .. wow.
[17:17] <tewmten> acidchild: yeah
[17:17] <tewmten> acidchild: which sucks.. for my neighbours haha
[17:17] <tewmten> :D
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[17:17] <acidchild> haha
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[17:17] <eviljames> jeev: That's kinda what I was driving at by asking the propaganda question.
[17:17] <Pig_Pen> yeah, the usa usually puts evil people in prison, including software developers that murder their wives
[17:17] <eviljames> That or they torture 16 year old Canadian kids.
[17:18] <eviljames> You know, whatever works.
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[17:18] <Urchlay> well I've talked to seemingly intelligent adult male humans who really believe that women shouldn't be allowed to do things like vote, or drive, or show their faces in public, or take pleasure from sex
[17:18] <tewmten> acidchild: haha btw, i met this cool gypsy chick, she's like 7 years older than me and can seriously handle her alcohol :D
[17:18] <dive> and that stuff is well know, not just because the media say it
[17:18] <acidchild> tewmten: excellent :)
[17:19] <tewmten> indeed
[17:19] <acidchild> i'm going for curry and drinks later on with this linux chick from *.nl
[17:19] <acidchild> =o
[17:19] <acidchild> 2 years older than me
[17:19] <tewmten> hehe
[17:19] <acidchild> debian loser though :P
[17:19] <Urchlay> these guys are straight out of the middle ages, and they tell me they'd love to live in a country where that's the law of the land (but somehow, they don't actually migrate to afghanistan or iraq... wonder why?)
[17:19] <firebird619> acidchild: have a good time. Also, convert her to slackware.
[17:19] <eviljames> Urchlay: That is probably not a fair characterization of all Arabic, or all Muslim people, you know.
[17:19] <tewmten> acidchild: tell her "eet smakelijk" before dinner, maybe she wil be impressed
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[17:19] <acidchild> what does that mean? LOL
[17:20] <lns40> baah slackware you all want to use arch anyway :)
[17:20] <jeev> eviljames, dont waste your time. people are poisoned by pro israeli media, that's all you see in the news
[17:20] <tewmten> acidchild: it means "have a nice meal"
[17:20] <acidchild> :D
[17:20] <tewmten> :)
[17:20] <jeev> as soon as more americans are against muslims and arabs, more war will start
[17:20] <Urchlay> eviljames: I wasn't talking  about race at all...  and yeah, Islam has sects with different beliefs & practices, same as any large religion
[17:20] <acidchild> tewmten: she's already way too impressed, i'm already taken :P
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[17:20] <jeev> dont talk about those people until you've seen it first hand
[17:20] <Urchlay> eviljames: one of these guys I talked to is a white guy from Texas, he converted as an adult
[17:21] <dive> jeev, what's your first hand impression?
[17:21] <tewmten> acidchild: also if she's a good shag, you could call her "je vuile hoer" which means "you filty whore"
[17:21] <jeev> i'm FROM iran.
[17:21] <tewmten> but that is up to you :D
[17:21] <eviljames> hah!
[17:21] <jeev> everyone i've ever dealt with.. my parents friends, husbands treat them like princess
[17:21] <eviljames> jeev: +1
[17:21] <jeev> princesses
[17:21] <jeev> that's my first hand.
[17:21] <acidchild> tewmten: ;) cute idea though
[17:21] <dive> ok
[17:21] <tewmten> acidchild: yeah hehe
[17:21] <jeev> my father is against ahmadinejad., we're armenian. born in iran
[17:21] <jeev> we're not muslim, we're christian
[17:21] <tewmten> acidchild: anyway im gonna go get my nuts sucked, take it easy man
[17:21] <tewmten> laters
[17:21] <eviljames> jeev: k, does the anti-Iran sabre-rattling that was going on under Bush bother you?
[17:21] <jeev> first hand, i've never seen anything bad.. other than killing gays
[17:21] <dartmouth> against ahmadinejad?  who isn't?
[17:21] <jeev> eviljames, absolutely
[17:21] <jeev> dartmouth, i'm not.
[17:22] <dartmouth> oh.
[17:22] <jeev> he's a very smart person, idiot for denying the holocaust
[17:22] <eviljames> jeev: I mean, after 9/11 Iran was the country in that part of the world that was having candlelight vigils and crying in the streets for days...
[17:22] <jeev> but he's smart.
[17:22] <acidchild> tewmten: indeedie! enjoy ;)
[17:22] <jeev> eviljames, but people like dartmouth think iranians are terrorists
[17:22] <eviljames> jeev: Propaganda, man.
[17:22] <dartmouth> Oh ok, because I thought he was the 2nd most evil person on the planet, 2nd to Kim Jong II
[17:22] <acidchild> err. iranians :/
[17:22] <Pig_Pen> a smart idiot are the worst kinds of idiots
[17:22] <dive> jeev, but (over here at least) I think Iran has a better press than say Afghanistan
[17:22] <jeev> dartmouth, your thoughts are useless.
[17:22] <Urchlay> anybody who characterizes an entire group based on a stereotype, isn't thinking clearly
[17:22] <eviljames> dartmouth: Propaganda, again!  Don't buy into it.
[17:22] <dartmouth> I don't think Iranians are terrorists, I think their gov is a terrorist entity
[17:22] <jeev> eviljames, they could poison ahmadinejad's words with "we need to wipe the zionist regime from the face of the earth" turned into "wipe israel off the map"
[17:23] <jeev> dartmouth, i think israel's government is a terrorist entity, considering eevery year they're 2nd in spying on the u.s.
[17:23] <eviljames> jeev: A convenient mis-translation?
[17:23] <acidchild> tewmten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38156902@N03/3529557766/sizes/l/
[17:23] <jeev> eviljames, sure.. i dont think it's a mis-translation, i think they know the morons in the states will believe them
[17:23] <eviljames> jeev: I think that the anti-Israel stance is pretty much propaganda too, though.
[17:23] <appzer0> hmmm... Excuse me is it a slackware-related chan?
[17:23] <Urchlay> what exactly does "zionist" mean? (I'm being serious, I've never heard an objective definition of the word)
[17:23] <jeev> Urchlay, crazy people i guess.
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[17:24] <dartmouth> Urchlay: it's one of those imaginary groups we all hate
[17:24] <chowabunga> we need a bot
[17:24] <jeev> its the powerful and greedy jews. ruining the name of jews
[17:24] <jeev> dartmouth, you're a bigot. you deny zionism but say ahmadinejad is a terrorist
[17:24] <chowabunga> its not jews
[17:24] <dartmouth> ooh.  yikes.  talk about ignorant hate.
[17:24] <acidchild> appzer0: this isn't the church of slackware, we're allowed to have other interests too you know ;)
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[17:24] <jeev> exactly
[17:24] <jeev> bigot.
[17:24] <chowabunga> zionist is political movement
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[17:24] <Pig_Pen> give it a rest people, someone is going to need help in here with slackware and were hogging up the channel
[17:24] <chowabunga> and it is the problem for sure
[17:24] <jeev> whatever it is chowabunga.
[17:24] <dartmouth> lol.  sorry that i like jews, jeev.
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[17:25] <chowabunga> then stop saying jews, there are christian zionists
[17:25] <jeev> dartmouth, go read up on israel's spying on the u.s. and their consistent wiretaps.
[17:25] <dive> zionists are like jewish fundamentalists though right? And hate muslims?
[17:25] <_arfon_> Any of you have experience with Exim?
[17:25] <jeev> damn right chowabunga, any type of zionist is a tragedy
[17:25] <dartmouth> jeev: sorry, im busy reading up on critical thinking techniques.
[17:25] <jeev> _arfon_, postfix ;/
[17:25] <jeev> dartmouth, you're a bigot, be gone.
[17:25] <jeev> you deny everything but accept what the government of israel and U.S. spews on you
[17:25] <dartmouth> jeev: because i like jews?
[17:25] <Urchlay> _arfon_: a long time ago, on Debian, I set up exim... damned if I remember anything  about it now though
[17:25] <jeev> because you're ignorant
[17:25] <eviljames> jeev: Dude, you are actually propagandizing RIGHT NOW.
[17:25] <chowabunga> they cant call you an anti-semite if you say zionist
[17:25] <acidchild> i want to find tewmten's girl toys email and forward her '
[17:25] <acidchild> i want to find tewmten's girl toys email and forward her '(17:18) < tewmten> acidchild: anyway im gonna go get my nuts sucked, take it easy man
[17:25] <jeev> eviljames, i'm trying to defeat his failure
[17:25] <acidchild> see what she thinks.
[17:25] <acidchild> oops :
[17:26] <chowabunga> the adl will crush you
[17:26] <eviljames> jeev: No, your statements are irrational.
[17:26] <Necos> hahahaha
[17:26] <jeev> yea chowabunga
[17:26] <jeev> eviljames, how so? what did i say wrong
[17:26] <Urchlay> eviljames: fair's fair though, the statements he's responding to are also irrational
[17:26] <jeev> the fact that dartmouth is pretty much labeling me as an anti-semite.. because im talking against the israeli government
[17:26] <chowabunga> just research zionism
[17:26] <dartmouth> jeev: you're right.  Ahmadinejad is not antichrist-level evil and those darn dirty jews want to take over the world.  I am sooooo sorrry.
[17:26] <eviljames> Urchlay: Right, all we're seeing is both sides of the propaganda.
[17:27] <dartmouth> I mean i wouldn't want to offend anyone ^_^
[17:27] <eviljames> "zionist this" "Ahmadinejad terrorist" ...
[17:27] <Necos> >.>
[17:27] <_arfon_> You guys might know the answer to this anyway.....    Trying to set up an exim server...  I want to disable all local accounts and make everyone virtual users. Is this doable (meaning, will the machine's host name interfere with virtual host delivery)?
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[17:27] <chowabunga> youtube search ahmadjinedad orthodox jews anti-zionists
[17:27] <chowabunga> true torah jews love ahmadjinedad
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[17:27] <chowabunga> nkusa.org
[17:27] <dartmouth> _arfon_: I don't know that exim is covered in the scope of slackware-- is there an exim-specific channel on freenode?
[17:27] <Urchlay> _arfon_: I know that what you want can be done on sendmail and postfix, I'd assume exim is capable of it, but I don't actually know
[17:27] <acidchild> _arfon_: yes its doable, but join #exim..
[17:27] <jeev> and when all the countries step out of the u.n. security council meeting as ahmadinejad speaks, that shows exactly how stupid people are
[17:27] <jeev> they listen to monkey bush but not hime
[17:27] <jeev> him
[17:28] <Urchlay> we're all monkeys, you know
[17:28] <_arfon_> Thanks
[17:28] <jeev> i know, it's unfortunate
[17:28] <dartmouth> jeev: I'd be under bush any day of the week over angry-ahma
[17:28] <acidchild> jeev: why is it unfortunate?
[17:29] <acidchild> dartmouth: stfu, your political views are pathetic.
[17:29] <jeev> go youtube what chowabunga asked you to check
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[17:29] <chowabunga> http://nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/20090419-Cohen.cfm
[17:29] <jeev> acidchild, not sure. if we were all smarter, we'd live better.
[17:29] <Necos> dartmouth: wow, yeah, you should go read on learning how to think, because you sound like you're in the middle of coming off a crack high
[17:29] <acidchild> jeev: we live how we want to live.
[17:29] <chowabunga> go read the balfour declaration
[17:29] <dartmouth> acidchild: that's weird, they don't feel pathetic
[17:29] <acidchild> if you don't like something, be the one to change it.
[17:29] <Urchlay> no matter how smart we get, we're still animals, and have to deal with our animal natures
[17:29] <chowabunga> go read about zionists helping hitler from both sides of the atlantic
[17:29] <eviljames> acidchild: Be the change you'd like to see the world?
[17:30] <acidchild> yep
[17:30] <jeev> chowabunga, im truly tired of hearing people labeled as anti-semite
[17:30] <dartmouth> ok ok ok.  you guys are right.  Ahmadinejad WOULD be better suited for a US president than bush.  I am so, so, so sorry for not being a liberal democrat in your presence.  I really am pathetic.
[17:30] <Necos> the jews are evil... hitler was evil... geez, stop smoking crack
[17:30] <chowabunga> zionism is a racist idea that only exists because someone hoaxed jews to be used as a protection racket
[17:30] <acidchild> if everybody helps changed their community
[17:30] <dive> jeev, indeed
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[17:30] <acidchild> the place they live, this will only help the world.
[17:30] <acidchild> peoples communitys overlap. causing spread of development.
[17:30] <eviljames> dartmouth: In all fairness, Bush caused wars, pointlessly tortured and cratered the economy..
[17:30] <Urchlay> (like, I think I'm so smart, but I hear some piece of information like "somebody threw acid in somebody's face" and my first instinct is violent retribution...)
[17:31] <dartmouth> eviljames: yeah, true.  but he's so darn loveable!
[17:31] <firebird619> loveable?
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[17:31] <Necos> eviljames: actually, he just signed the death warrant... the economy was tanking before he got in office
[17:31] <acidchild> loveable?!
[17:31] <jeev> firebird619, that's what confused people say
[17:31] <eviljames> dartmouth: I always thought he came across as an illiterate jackass.  But, you know, to each their own.
[17:31] <jeev> then people turn around and blame obama for what's happening, "he didnt save the economy in 200 days, out him"
[17:31] <acidchild> dartmouth: damn your girlfriends/boyfriends must be some peices of work
[17:31] <acidchild> ;/
[17:31] <acidchild> if you consider bush loveable.
[17:32] <firebird619> lol
[17:32] <eviljames> Necos: That's history revisionism, trying to put some blame on Clinton.  More propaganda...
[17:32] <chowabunga> jeev> no point in talking about the future
[17:32] <dartmouth> acidchild: well, you've already said im pathetic for saying i would rather be under an american president than under ahmadinejad's rule (hey lets face it though, ahmadinejad doesnt have much power over there)
[17:32] <acidchild> NOW WE KNOW WHERE SWINE FLU CAME FROM
[17:32] Action: acidchild blames dartmouth 
[17:32] <Urchlay> no point in talking about any of this really
[17:32] <eviljames> Necos: Clinton did sign the Glass-Seagull (or whatever it was called)
[17:32] <chowabunga> acidchild> novavax
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[17:32] <dartmouth> (not that you'd know that)
[17:32] <Urchlay> nobody's going to convince anyone else to change their mind
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[17:32] <Pig_Pen> in the 48 years i lived in the usa and one thing i learned about us politics is: both the democrats (liberals) and republicans (conservatives) are both full of shit, they are both the left & right hand of the same bunch of greedy powerhungy bastards that dont give a damn about anybody but themselves
[17:32] <jeev> dartmouth, why dont you worry about north korea and not the bullshit the media makes up of iran?
[17:32] <chowabunga> used a san antonio clinical trial 3rd party
[17:32] <jeev> iran denies wanting nukes, north korea says they're making nukes.. but we're still threatneing iran
[17:32] <jeev> it's amazing
[17:32] <dive> and behind every government, every president, every pm, there are people that just exist for making money and pull the strings
[17:32] <Necos> yes, he did... but, meh... it was bound to happen sooner or later... it didn't really matter who was in office
[17:32] <dartmouth> jeev: uhh.  yeah.  *dismissed*
[17:32] <Urchlay> Pig_Pen: you can tell when a politician is lying because his mouth is moving...
[17:33] <eviljames> Necos: But the whole thing can be traced back to Nixon and Reagan, a pair of idiots that launched 30 years of ruining America.
[17:33] <jeev> haha Urchlay
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[17:33] <acidchild> Urchlay: lol :P
[17:33] <chowabunga> research novavax if you wanna know about swine flu
[17:33] <jeev> true Necos, deregulating really messed it up
[17:33] <acidchild> chowabunga: i know where it came from, dartmouth fucked a pig
[17:33] <jeev> the reason of the economic collapse has to do with rewarding salesmen.
[17:33] <chowabunga> acidchild> he fucked your mom/
[17:33] <beatzz> how exactly would I go about getting my wireless card to work on slackware
[17:33] <beatzz> ?
[17:33] <Necos> eviljames: that's my pint (read above)
[17:33] <jeev> lol
[17:33] <Necos> *point
[17:33] <acidchild> chowabunga: yo momma jokes are so 'hip'
[17:33] <Urchlay> a pint would be a good thing
[17:33] <dive> beatzz, what card is it?
[17:33] <compl3x> beatzz: vendor?
[17:34] <eviljames> Necos: yeah, caught that after I'd pressed enter :P
[17:34] <chowabunga> acidchild> only if you say ZIIIIIIING after it
[17:34] <beatzz> wlan0
[17:34] <dartmouth> it's probably because they're making nukes and saying they're not making nukes.  blatantly lying to the international community is a great way to lose your credibility, allowing only common sense (and not trust) to determine intentions based on their other actions (and pursual of parts for nuclear weapons)
[17:34] <eviljames> Urchlay: ++!!! I could use a couple of pints.
[17:34] <beatzz> b43 driver
[17:34] <beatzz> worked on kubuntu
[17:34] <eviljames> dartmouth: Just like Iraq had nukes and biological weapons?
[17:34] <Necos> you need madwifi, no?
[17:34] <eviljames> dartmouth: Oh wait, that information was fabricated by people that the government were torturing.
[17:34] <acidchild> eviljames: me too me too
[17:34] <dartmouth> eviljames: we have to take it on a case by case basis
[17:34] <jeev> dartmouth, you could believe everything you want to believe about iran. i believe israel is and will cause more future headaches for the U.S. simple as that, the media wont say so, Chas Freeman will.
[17:34] <Urchlay> "Thank you GWB, but our WMDs are in another castle!"
[17:34] <dive> beatzz, sounds like you need ndsiwrapper
[17:34] <chowabunga> eviljames> wrong
[17:34] <chowabunga> eviljames> they had the chemical weapons we sold them to attack iran with
[17:34] <chowabunga> and the kurds or wahtever
[17:35] <beatzz> how would i do that?
[17:35] <compl3x> beatzz: type iwconfig in a terminal - doesn wlan0 apear
[17:35] <chowabunga> but they got rid of them
[17:35] <dartmouth> jeev: i think we should be paying more attention to the proxy war with iran first.
[17:35] <Necos> Urchlay: just like mario lol
[17:35] <jeev> dartmouth, listen to chowabunga.
[17:35] <chowabunga> i mean saddam might have done it himself, but not without the masters approval
[17:35] <beatzz> bash-3.1$ iwconfig
[17:35] <beatzz> bash: iwconfig: command not found
[17:35] <eviljames> acidchild: If you find some, please share.
[17:35] <dive> beatzz, checkout slackbuilds.org for ndiswrapper - I'm not really familiar with it but there are probably people here who can help with it
[17:35] <dartmouth> beatzz: you gotta do it as root
[17:35] <acidchild> beatzz: find out what driver supports your card, go to their website... see if slackbuilds.org has it, if not download and build from source. make sure you have your kernel source install in /usr/src/linux.
[17:35] <compl3x> beatzz: /sbin/iwconfig
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[17:35] <eviljames> In beatzz would wicd be of use to him?
[17:36] <Pig_Pen> i wish everyone would shut up, this all started when i mentioned that those taliban threw acid in those girls faces at that school in afghanistan
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[17:36] <compl3x> dartmouth: no you dont :p
[17:36] <acidchild> eviljames: i'm looking for some `erb atm.
[17:36] <Urchlay> Necos: if I could but find it again, that came from a photoshopped screenshot from a Mario game
[17:36] <Necos> what Pig_Pen?
[17:36] <Necos> LOL
[17:36] <chowabunga> then they labelled him a boogy man again and crushed him...puppet dictators become your problem for the -hegelian dialectic- / problem-reaction-solution / synthesis-antithesis-synthesis mind fuck they always use...make your enemies so you can have an illusion of CHAOS
[17:36] <Pig_Pen> i feel bad now, look at the shitstorm i started
[17:36] <beatzz> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:""
[17:36] <beatzz>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associat
[17:36] <eviljames> acidchild: I just got a tiny baggie of the finest available from the medical dispensary :D
[17:36] <compl3x> beatzz: then you can use your wireless card..
[17:36] <Necos> lol Pig_Pen, news fail :)
[17:36] <acidchild> hook me up eviljames :D
[17:36] <eviljames> acidchild: maybe 3g, cost about $25, I felt ripped off until the first couple of puffs... then .. whoa.
[17:36] <chowabunga> so you can push through yuor agenda
[17:36] <dive> beatzz, that's good
[17:37] <jeev> ahah Pig_Pen, GO PEEL SOME POTATOS
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[17:37] <acidchild> eviljames: so i decided to upload my e-penis, but look my bong is so sad with no friend :( http://www.flickr.com/photos/38156902@N03/3529557766/sizes/l/
[17:37] <beatzz> it wont allow me to enable it in the GUI?
[17:37] <compl3x> beatzz: your wireless card should work you just need to configure it - ie ip and network keys etc
[17:37] <dive> beatzz, just need to setup /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:37] <eviljames> beatzz: This is a good sign.  I would recommend investigating wicd - it might be just the ticket you're looking for.
[17:37] <chowabunga> patsies and fall guys ABOUND rofl....
[17:37] Action: dartmouth thinks chowabunga should pay attention to more important things
[17:37] <jeev> dont forget, we have weirdo's in america shooting places up.. so if a few taliban do some shit in another country, the other country is bad.
[17:37] <acidchild> the ticket?! I GOT A GOLDEN TICKET
[17:38] <acidchild> run along now peter.
[17:38] <chowabunga> dartmouth> whast more important than truth
[17:38] <dartmouth> chowabunga: having a monopoly on truth.
[17:38] <chowabunga> lol
[17:38] <eviljames> acidchild: Damn, I love your setup. (no sarcasm).
[17:38] <chowabunga> make the truth
[17:38] <compl3x> beatzz: good luck getting a convo here :P religious debates
[17:38] <chowabunga> here' i gotta quote for ya
[17:38] <acidchild> eviljames: :>
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[17:38] <chowabunga> The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
[17:38] <chowabunga> while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do. ^ Whitehouse Aide
[17:39] <acidchild> eviljames: just gotta get rid of all these boxes GRR!
[17:39] <eviljames> compl3x: Hopefully that has calmed down a touch (I've backed out at least)
[17:39] <acidchild> cardboard boxes comming out my ass since i moved :(
[17:39] <jeev> acidchild, since we're from iran..
[17:39] <jeev> my uncle still calls girls grrs
[17:39] <compl3x> eviljames: yeah hopefully
[17:39] <acidchild> eviljames: http://www.blackcore.net/~ash/apartment2/ <-- ;)
[17:39] <Pig_Pen> most the wierdos in the usa kill themselves after the dirty deed because they know they will be caught and killed or locked up for life
[17:39] <eOliva> I can connect in a wireless network with iwconfig and stuff, but when the network uses WPA/PSK it doesn't work!! I googled a bit and nothing I tried worked, anyone can help me plz?
[17:39] <eviljames> acidchild: WTF I am SO jealous.  Where is this glorious apartment?!
[17:40] <acidchild> Queen East, downtown Toronto :)
[17:40] <eviljames> eOliva: This is another case where I recommend investigating wicd
[17:40] <compl3x> acidchild: jeleous ]=
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[17:40] <Urchlay> eOliva: have a look at /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
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[17:40] <eviljames> acidchild: ahh, makes sense.  I'm off Commercial Dr. in Vancouver.  The apartments are dirty as hell, but the neighborhood has a lot of character.
[17:40] <dartmouth> chowabunga: i hear ya, but im more interested in the facts, with my interests in the centre of them, less so than I am interested in appeals to faux-authority.
[17:41] <Urchlay> eOliva: set  that up with your encryption type and key, then go edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 and add WLAN_WPA[0]="wpa_supplicant"
[17:41] <chowabunga> dartmouth> ok, facts on what exactly
[17:41] <acidchild> eviljames: :))
[17:41] <dartmouth> chowabunga: whatever I happen to be interested in at the moment.
[17:41] <chowabunga> dartmouth> ok...well same here
[17:41] <Urchlay> eOliva: my  bad, /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
[17:42] <acidchild> eviljames: this area is deveping quickly.
[17:42] <Urchlay> (still not used to that, old versions of slackware, there was no separate .conf file)
[17:42] <acidchild> eviljames: its kinda ghetto i guess, or 'scuzzy' as someone once said.
[17:42] <dartmouth> but you just based your credentials on something that someone (whom no one is familiar with) said.
[17:42] <acidchild> eviljames: this is probly the nicest apartment block this side of young st LOL
[17:42] <chowabunga> acidchild> gristly
[17:42] <dartmouth> so, that's a lie
[17:43] <acidchild> eviljames: oh i lie, there are some down the road O.O
[17:43] <acidchild> they gotta be 1.5M$ each
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[17:43] <chowabunga> dartmouth> thats one of like 600 quotes i have
[17:44] <acidchild> eviljames: where in van are you?
[17:44] <dartmouth> I don't see the relevance of you saying that at all.
[17:44] <Necos> hey Pig_Pen can you link me to the article you were reading?
[17:44] <eviljames> acidchild: hahah, my uncle has a penthouse on Queen's Quey... probably was worht $5M when he bought it and gone up since then...
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[17:44] <chowabunga> yeah i thought it fit in, but i guess im not going to explain how, just study hegelian dialectic
[17:44] <eviljames> acidchild: I'm in Vancouver proper, Commercial drive area (not Kits or downtown, but the scuzzy/rockstar part of town :P)
[17:44] <acidchild> yeah
[17:44] <acidchild> i'm in the film district.
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[17:45] <eviljames> acidchild: Said uncle's balcony is over 1000 sqft... which is about 25% larger than my apartment :P
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[17:45] <alienBOB> eOliva: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption
[17:45] <acidchild> GOD DAMN
[17:45] <dartmouth> chowabunga: sorry, I don't appeal to narcissistic intellectual dismissal unless it's done by qualified professionals.
[17:45] <acidchild> eviljames: mines 902 ;/
[17:45] <chowabunga> dartmouth> go read, son
[17:45] <Pig_Pen> Necos: it was on the radio
[17:45] <dartmouth> nah
[17:45] <dartmouth> don't care that much
[17:45] <chowabunga> dartmouth> HEGELIAN DIALECTIC
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[17:46] <dartmouth> you're drunk or something dude
[17:46] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: You know what they say about the Radio?  They say, "if you put that on the radio, people will listen!"
[17:46] <Necos> oh... looking on google news... there's an AP article on it
[17:46] <Pig_Pen> lol!
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[17:46] <chowabunga> dartmouth> i dont like people to waste their intellect, sorry i assumed you had some
[17:46] <Pig_Pen> FamilyGuy joke
[17:47] <Necos> >.<;
[17:47] <dartmouth> lol.  I did before the zionist favouring media took it.
[17:47] <jeev> dartmouth, you laugh but it's true
[17:47] <dartmouth> what's true?
[17:47] <chowabunga> willful ignorance
[17:47] <jeev> you know what's true? i'm wasting my time on you! it rhymes!
[17:47] <chowabunga> make a choice not to question what someone says and just deny it
[17:47] <dartmouth> ......LOL
[17:47] <chowabunga> instead of maybe you know, LOOKING FOR THE FACTS YOURSELF
[17:48] <jeev> chowabunga, sean hannity told him it's true so it must be
[17:48] <dartmouth> i'll get right on that.  right after I go study "hegelian dialectic"
[17:48] <chowabunga> thats the start
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[17:48] <eviljames> compl3x: Turns out  Iwas wrong.
[17:49] <dartmouth> That's on my to-do list right after turning Iran into a giant PCB board as a member of the US armed services.  Hooah!
[17:49] <dartmouth> (lol)
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[17:49] <eviljames> dartmouth: That was an epic troll.  kudos :P
[17:49] <chowabunga> people should just leave iran alone
[17:49] <chowabunga> they havent started a war in over 100 years
[17:50] <chowabunga> jews and muslims live peacefully together...though anti-zionist jews get ATTACKED by israelis
[17:50] <dartmouth> We will leave iran alone when Iran pulls itself out of the caves and stops trying to play proxy-war with other nations.
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[17:50] <chowabunga> err i am drunk
[17:50] <dartmouth> Told ya.
[17:50] <eviljames> chowabunga: I always blame things on drunkenness.. it's like a get into jail free card!
[17:51] <chowabunga> iran is actually like mesopotamia
[17:51] <dartmouth> no its not
[17:51] <chowabunga> they aernt in the caves
[17:51] <dartmouth> yeah they are
[17:51] <chowabunga> what iran proxy war?  what about usa/israel doing a proxy war against russia with georgia
[17:52] <chowabunga> puppet sakashvilli's last throws as the people were already about to kick him out
[17:52] <chowabunga> and still are, research it
[17:52] <jeev> chowabunga, do you consider right wing wackos to have the same thoughts of dartmouth? or is he a special breed
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[17:52] <chowabunga> jeev> he's just asleep still
[17:52] <dartmouth> well, when you make a focused argument, i'll check out the validity of your argument.  but 'the usa is bad because india makes blue cloth-die' doesn't jive for me.
[17:53] <jeev> he's made a much more focused argument than me
[17:53] <jeev> you're just an imbecile
[17:53] <jeev> take the condom off your head
[17:53] <dartmouth> im not seeing a focused argument.
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[17:53] <eviljames> Ad Hominem attacks *always* make the attacker look like a moron.
[17:53] <\marco> hi to all
[17:53] <eviljames> (take not jeev)
[17:53] <Urchlay> bleah, you guys are still at it?
[17:53] <eviljames> s/not/note/
[17:53] <dartmouth> I'm seeing scattered collections of antinationalist sentiment with no real main point.
[17:53] <eviljames> Urchlay: Yeah, and even when I think I'm out I get drawn back in :(
[17:53] <jeev> yea eviljames, he took me down to his same level (idiocy) and beat me with his experience
[17:53] Action: eviljames backs out again.
[17:53] <jeev> damn right
[17:53] <acidkill> eviljames: but pointing out the AH attack makes you look like a douche =D
[17:53] Action: jeev pulls eviljames back in
[17:54] <eviljames> acidkill: hahah, I'd rather referree than be involved in this goofiness.
[17:54] Action: eviljames blows the whistle *2 minute penalty for Ad Hominem*
[17:54] <chowabunga> dartmouth> no one is clean in this game, thats why there is so much bribery and corruption...its because GOOD people like YOU, let the PSYCHOPATHIC/SOCIOPATHIC/MORAL IMBECILES/EVIL people take over and manipulate you
[17:54] <Urchlay> if I were the referee, the penalty box would be stuffed to overcrowding
[17:54] <chowabunga> and now you think things are pretty good, but not when they are finished with you
[17:54] <dartmouth> Why would I do that?  I want to BE the sociopathic overlord.  I already told you once kid, I'm Machiavellian.
[17:55] <\marco> I'm trying to install slackware on a VERY old laptop.. from a series of floppy... but one floppy wasn't perfect and the installer missed some packages... what's the best way to install the missing packages?
[17:55] <chowabunga> dartmouth> yeah, well someones gonna beat you to it, so start wising up
[17:55] <chowabunga> its very few people
[17:55] <dartmouth> chowabunga: oh, right, those jews  sorry.
[17:55] <Urchlay> dartmouth: er, have you read Machiavelli? He wasn't in favor of sociopathic overlords, you know...
[17:55] <eviljames> \marco: What ways do you have to get data onto the machine?  Just floppy, or can you use network, cd or USB?
[17:55] <chowabunga> dartmouth> i think you are the racist
[17:55] <Urchlay> agh, dammit. /me sends himself to the penalty box
[17:55] <dartmouth> if you say so
[17:55] <chowabunga> ignored
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[17:55] <\marco> eviljames: just floppy :(
[17:55] <eviljames> Urchlay: Thank you for that, I didn't have time to respond there as well.  The Prince and The Discourses are sitting beside me at the moment.
[17:56] <chowabunga> ignoring your whole state
[17:56] <dartmouth> state?
[17:56] <dartmouth> lol
[17:56] <jeev> hahahaha chowabunga. *.maine.res.rr.com
[17:56] <chowabunga> thanks
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[17:56] <dartmouth> \marco: i wouldnt use floppies.  you don't have USB?
[17:56] <jeev> chowabunga, watch 30 rack ?
[17:56] <dartmouth> if you can get the machine online you can use slackpkg
[17:56] <chowabunga> no
[17:56] <\marco> dartmouth: I've said... VERY old laptop
[17:56] <straterra> usb is old
[17:57] <dartmouth> \marco: can you get it online?
[17:57] <\marco> dartmouth: I've already installed all.. but only one floppy was corrupted.. that's the point
[17:57] <dartmouth> ok, that wasn't the answer to the question I asked-- can you get it online?
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[17:57] <eviljames> \marco: Ouch... You must be using one of the older slack installs... V. 7 or lesS?
[17:57] <\marco> dartmouth: no
[17:58] <eviljames> dartmouth: I asked that q above.  he only has floppy as a method of putting data on the machine.
[17:58] <eviljames> well, that and the keyboard, but I imagine hand-typing binary data isn't great. :P
[17:58] <\marco> eviljames: mhm.. yep
[17:58] <Pig_Pen> A man's best friend is his dogma.
[17:58] <dive> \marco, I would say the way would be to make a better floppy and try install those packages
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[17:59] <eviljames> \marco: I guess just overwrite one of other floppies and use installpkg ?
[17:59] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: RAmen
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[17:59] <\marco> eviljames: ok! this is the info i need.. installpkg :D
[17:59] <dartmouth> *sigh* i miss having an old raid server in my dorm room with its many floppy ports :(
[18:00] <\marco> eviljames: thanks.. let me try
[18:00] <straterra> raid server?
[18:00] <eviljames> \marco: No problem.
[18:00] <Urchlay> heh, a floppy RAID? like, 1.44M x 8 drives in a RAID5 config?
[18:00] <dive> straterra, yeah it supplies raid across the network ;)
[18:00] <straterra> o.O
[18:01] <dartmouth> straterra: i had this humongous box our tech guys gave to me ebcase they were gonna throw it out; and it had a ton of SCSI raid hard drives, that said they were hotplugable, so I yanked them out, and there was a sticker on the top of all of them saying that particular model was not hotplugable
[18:01] <Urchlay> (actually I would like to be able to to RAID5 on CDs or DVDs, on a machine with 3 or 4 drives. Does that make me a sick puppy?)
[18:01] <straterra> raid hard drives?
[18:02] <dartmouth> it was a weird setup.  i never got a chance to really figure it out.
[18:02] <straterra> there...arent raid hard drives
[18:03] <dartmouth> that's probably why we threw it out
[18:03] <dissociative> anyone knows if there's any linux software to unlock locosto based phones
[18:03] <straterra> err
[18:03] <dive> hmm and when I asked at local pc shop if they had any raid hard drives they looked at me funny
[18:03] <straterra> raid hard drives dont exist
[18:03] <Pig_Pen> i dont do the raid thing, if i had a PC with a bunch of harddrives dropped in my lap i would install FreeNAS on one small partition of the primary master, and powerdown remove the cdrom drive and put a harddrive in its place
[18:03] <dive> lol
[18:03] <dive> </sarcasm>
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[18:03] <straterra> raid sits on top of the available storage
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[18:04] <Urchlay> straterra: there's a concept for you: a drive with multiple platters, with the platters arranged in a RAID config, with the driver in the drive firmware, so it shows up as a single disk... if only there were a way to swap a single platter, it might actually work
[18:04] <dartmouth> I'd like to make it where my hard drives all share partitions so i dont have to keep moving junk around
[18:04] <dartmouth> like one big hard drive
[18:04] <straterra> lvm
[18:04] <dartmouth> at "/"
[18:04] <straterra> or raid 0
[18:04] <eviljames> Urchlay: That sounds like much more trouble than it is wroth.
[18:04] <eviljames> dartmouth: ZFS
[18:04] <straterra> enjoy
[18:04] <Urchlay> eviljames: yeah, I think it would be
[18:04] <straterra> Urchlay: that wouldnt be raid
[18:04] <Urchlay> not exactly, no
[18:04] <straterra> that would be raip
[18:04] <eviljames> It would be rape?
[18:04] <eviljames> oh god why?!
[18:05] <Urchlay> :)
[18:05] <eviljames> (also, why did that inspire me to call my gf?)
[18:05] <dartmouth> lol
[18:05] <dive> erm
[18:05] <dartmouth> 3 guesses as to why...
[18:05] <chowabunga> hmm man vs food looks like an okay show
[18:05] <Urchlay> RAID5 on 4 DVDs would be neat though... especially if you had a specialty drive that takes a pack of DVDs, like some changers do
[18:06] <chowabunga> just got the screaming announcer thing going though...to make it EXTREEEEM
[18:06] <chowabunga> good eats is better i guess, for scientists
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[18:06] <eviljames> RAIGF <- sadly this doesn't exist.
[18:06] <Urchlay> DVD #2 goes bad, you use the other 3 to generate an ISO for it, burn it, swap it with the bad disk in the pack
[18:07] <dartmouth> eviljames: yes there is.  you have to read the manpage for the woman command though
[18:07] <dive> eviljames, she would probably object and no longer be GF, and you might also be subject to COPS
[18:07] <dartmouth> to set itup
[18:07] <eviljames> dive: Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Syndrome?  I quit smoking a while ago...
[18:07] <chowabunga> swine flu came from police!
[18:07] <eviljames> ./ignore chowabunga
[18:07] <straterra> or urmom
[18:08] <dartmouth> yeah i was just thinking that. i can only take so much 'moron' and i filled my own quota for the day before i got on here
[18:08] <straterra> then dont look in a mirror..dear god, don't!
[18:09] <eviljames> straterra: I was going to go with a mirror joke too, but I thought "I'm 26, not 6"
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[18:09] <dartmouth> oh, but what confused me earlier about the libertas; there's the libertas driver in the kernel; and i was told to check for device compatability, but wouldn't it be compatible with anything using the libertas chipset?
[18:09] <dive> no
[18:09] <dartmouth> or, rather, shouldn't it?  am I misunderstanding how chipset drivers work?
[18:09] <dive> there are versions and versions
[18:10] <dive> not that I've looked at that particular one
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[18:11] <dive> so don't take my word for it
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[18:12] <vastina> haha, muthafuckin' gayfish
[18:12] <dartmouth> oh boy, another one.
[18:13] <antiwire> is is over yet?
[18:13] <antiwire> it*
[18:13] <vastina> dartmouth: do you like fishsticks
[18:13] <dive> antiwire, it's just starting
[18:13] <dartmouth> vastina: i like adults.
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[18:13] <eviljames> antiwire: Looks calmer for the moment... we're on to urmom jokes and infantile schoolyard insults.
[18:13] <vastina> dartmouth: yeah but do you like fishsticks?
[18:14] <dartmouth> vastina: I'll tell you if you tell me why you're worth talking to.
[18:14] <Necos> wow, this could get interesting
[18:14] Action: vastina can't think of a reason, he just thought dartmouth would be a fun target, being sensitive as he is
[18:15] <eviljames> Worst.  Troll.  Ever.
[18:15] <dartmouth> Yeah, I'm not even slightly burned.  lol.
[18:15] <dartmouth> My little brother could do better.
[18:15] <dartmouth> And he's really, really nice.
[18:16] <eviljames> antiwire: See, the above comments are examples of schoolyard insults.
[18:16] <dartmouth> :)
[18:16] <dartmouth> I know you are but what am I!
[18:16] <compl3x> eviljames:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7MyQbYPUA ;)
[18:16] <eviljames> Sure thing, Milhouse.
[18:16] <vastina> wtf? i was just watching south park, thought dartmouth would be fun game
[18:16] <vastina> fishsticks haha
[18:16] <eviljames> compl3x: I HATE YOU.
[18:17] <compl3x> eviljames: ;)
[18:17] <dartmouth> lol
[18:17] <compl3x> yoou just trollin' :p
[18:17] <eviljames> compl3x: There are no words in the English language for how much I hate you at this point.
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[18:17] <eviljames> Also, whoever it was that introduced me to Boxxy in the first place MUST DIE.
[18:17] <eviljames> acidkill: Was it you?
[18:17] <compl3x> eviljames: I can't stand the girl.
[18:17] <compl3x> Can imagine shed be one messed up girlfriend
[18:18] <vastina> 16:14 < dartmouth> Yeah, I'm not even slightly burned.  lol.
[18:18] <eviljames> How old do you think she is?  Of legal age yet?
[18:18] <antiwire> Boxxy....ugh
[18:18] <vastina> that's for me, no?
[18:18] <compl3x> eviljames: haha must be 17
[18:18] <antiwire> you guys wouldn't take Boxxy?
[18:18] <antiwire> if she was legal
[18:18] <compl3x> antiwire: I would - gagged tho -
[18:18] <antiwire> lol
[18:18] <eviljames> antiwire: Without a single heartbeat's delay.
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[18:19] <antiwire> hahah
[18:19] <compl3x> As annoying as she is - shes so cute
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> I'd take boxxy, so I can kill her
[18:19] <antiwire> lmao
[18:19] <compl3x> if she couldn't speak.
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> and move
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> and be on the internet
[18:19] <eviljames> They're no fun unless they run!
[18:19] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: fair point - just lie there whilst i do my thang
[18:19] <antiwire> she's got that rubber face ability
[18:19] <compl3x> eviljames: thats messed dude
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, deal !
[18:20] <compl3x> haha
[18:20] Action: dartmouth starts just randomly deleting items in /boot/
[18:20] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire, maybe she's one of the Fantastic 4 actually !
[18:20] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: hmm interesting theory :p
[18:20] <antiwire> OH HAI guiz !!! http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147/namsoccerguitar9/boxxy.jpg
[18:20] <eviljames> antiwire: I'd hit it with a sledgehammer...
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[18:21] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, hmmm, imagine what she could do... hmmmm... ohhhh...
[18:21] <antiwire> bahahaha
[18:21] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: Dude - I thought i had issues
[18:22] <antiwire> here ya go, the 4chan Boxxy mashup http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs40/f/2009/011/3/d/boxxy_wallpaper_by_xGameGuy360x.png
[18:22] <compl3x> fbsetbg boxxy_wallpaper.jpg haha
[18:22] <antiwire> lol
[18:22] <compl3x> girlfriend wouldn't be too happy - meh
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[18:23] <compl3x> haha your making out - TROLL! - okay your going to die for that
[18:24] <Pig_Pen> http://5secondfilms.com/watch/magic_show_volunteer  lol!
[18:24] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, she also seems to have very flexible fingers, hmmm
[18:24] <antiwire> i just found 20 bucks in an old pair of jeans
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[18:24] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: why you interested in the fingers - o.o
[18:24] <eviljames> antiwire: Love when that happens!  The other day I found a $20 that was stuck in the cash dispenser part of an atm.  Only took a little pulling, victory!
[18:25] <Pig_Pen> i am such a loser! i never find money anywhere
[18:25] <Urchlay> Pig_Pen: that... is disturbing
[18:25] <Pig_Pen> lol!
[18:25] <antiwire> eviljames: haha yes!
[18:25] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, that shows she could be part of the Fantastic Four ! pfff, pervert -_-
[18:25] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: heh :p
[18:25] <compl3x> Pig_Pen: thats messed rofl
[18:25] <Pig_Pen> Urchlay: obviously faked video
[18:26] <compl3x> Pig_Pen: but still
[18:26] <eviljames> k, is that video sfw?
[18:26] <compl3x> when hes eating it at the end rofl :/
[18:26] <Urchlay> eviljames: depends on your boss's sense of humour. There's no actual sex or nudity...
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[18:26] <Urchlay> it's also only 5 seconds long, you have a good chance of nobody noticing
[18:26] <eviljames> Urchlay: Fortunately, my boss is hundreds or possibly thousands of miles away :D
[18:26] <Urchlay> there ya go then
[18:27] <compl3x> that last image is disturbing rofl
[18:27] <eviljames> OH THAT IS GREAT
[18:27] <Urchlay> :)
[18:27] <Pig_Pen> he was not eating it, i think he was giving birth to it out of his mouth
[18:27] <eviljames> One of the best things I've seen in ages.
[18:27] <compl3x> Pig_Pen: so he is ..
[18:27] <Camarade_Tux>  ><
[18:27] <Pig_Pen> that was the magic
[18:28] <compl3x> http://5secondfilms.com/watch/mr_mayor wtf
[18:28] <Camarade_Tux> http://pers.yaxm.org/Images/pregnant.jpg
[18:28] <Pig_Pen> some of the crap people send me in email
[18:28] <compl3x> omg mr.maya-- hahaha
[18:28] <Necos> some of the crap people send via usps >.>
[18:29] <Pig_Pen> the pope is really darth vader
[18:29] <compl3x> last one - eviljames you might like this one : http://5secondfilms.com/watch/the_catholic_church_rules_the_universe
[18:29] <dive> evening Camarade_Tux !!
[18:30] <eviljames> compl3x: Funny, I always thought it was Cheney behind the vader mask...
[18:30] <compl3x> haha
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[18:31] <Urchlay> it's George Lucas behind the mask...
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[18:31] <Camarade_Tux> evening dive :)
[18:31] Action: Camarade_Tux is currently fighting opencv
[18:31] <dive> ?
[18:32] Action: compl3x loves opencv
[18:32] <Urchlay> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av1BoAUb8WE&feature=related <--- more Vader
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[18:32] <dartmouth> ooh
[18:32] <Camarade_Tux> dive, graphic library
[18:32] <dartmouth> i think i may like having my machine in runlevel 3 better than I like having X running ;)
[18:33] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, I need to test someting and right now I only want to open an AVI file, how would you do that ?
[18:33] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth, depends, laptop ?
[18:33] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: what language you using
[18:33] <dartmouth> no its a widescreen monitor
[18:33] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, C
[18:33] <dartmouth> now if i could only play video....
[18:34] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: sorry not sure - only used to using input devices with it
[18:34] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/
[18:34] <Urchlay> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSm9DDxQv8E&feature=related <--- also vader-related and kinda amusing
[18:34] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth, OK, was asking because outside X, your graphic card may use more power
[18:34] <dartmouth> weird
[18:34] <Urchlay> is weird, that guy is the icon for all that is evil, somehow he's gotten really popular
[18:35] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, ok, thanks
[18:36] <dartmouth> gyah, I just rebuilt my kernel and a System.map was not generated
[18:37] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: CvCapture* capture = cvCaptureFromAVI("infile.avi");
[18:37] <Pig_Pen> it should be in your kernel source
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[18:38] <Pig_Pen> look in /usr/src/linux scroll down towards the bottom
[18:38] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: http://www.cs.iit.edu/~agam/cs512/lect-notes/opencv-intro/opencv-intro.html scroll down to Capturing a fram from a video sequence
[18:39] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, I saw that page, but it doesn't work (the function returns a NULL pointer)
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[18:40] <dartmouth> oh, here's an interesting thing; I've noticed when i compile a new kernel I'll have several images... /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage -> ../../x86/bzImage, as well as x86/boot/compressed/vmlinux -- what's the latter file all about?  same file size.
[18:40] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: hmm sorry not sure what to say - ive gotta shoot now anyway so ill cya
[18:40] <compl3x> laters all
[18:40] <Pig_Pen> run dif on it and see if the content is the same (if possible)
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[18:41] <dartmouth> and to confirm, no System.map in /usr/src/linux
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[18:41] <Pig_Pen> hmm, thats wierd dartmouth, i would not trust that build
[18:41] <dive> dartmouth, which make commands are you using?
[18:42] <dartmouth> make menuconfig to set up .config, then make, make modules, make modules_install
[18:42] <dive> yeah that is strange then
[18:42] <dive> (although btw you only need make and make modules_install)
[18:42] <Camarade_Tux> make modules isn't used anymore iirc
[18:43] <dartmouth> i wonder if i ought to do a 'make clean'
[18:43] <Urchlay> sure it is, for making the modules without installing them
[18:43] <Camarade_Tux> they're made with make
[18:43] <dive> true
[18:43] <Urchlay> but it's unnecessary as a separate step, "make modules_install" will first do a "make modules" if needed
[18:43] <dartmouth> i know it isn't; I do that line in honor of my correcting nullboy on that during an argument lol
[18:43] <Camarade_Tux> afaik
[18:43] <dartmouth> like...years ago
[18:43] <dive> no I think you can 'make modules' without 'make' though?
[18:44] <Urchlay> hm, "make all" makes the modules now? *shrug* didn't used to be that way, I'm outdated
[18:44] <eviljames> dartmouth: Speaking of that devil... what happened to him?
[18:44] <dive> Urchlay, just 'make'
[18:44] <Urchlay> dive: you definitely could back when I was building kernels a lot
[18:44] <eviljames> Anybody know?  The nullinator is MIA!
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[18:44] <Urchlay> "make" is short for "make all"... I was using the "all" for clarity
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[18:44] <dive> ah ok
[18:45] <Urchlay> (actually "make" is short for "make the first target in the Makefile", which is usually "all" but I suppose doesn't have to be...)
[18:45] <Urchlay> anyway my attempt at clarity obviously backfired :(
[18:45] <Necos> fail
[18:45] Action: eviljames loves kernel.org
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[18:46] <eviljames> I just went and grabbed 2.6.29.3 @ ~2,200 k/s
[18:46] <eviljames>  53.9M    0     0  1869k (avg)      0  0:00:29 <- hahahah nice
[18:46] <dive> bandwidth hog
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[18:47] <eviljames> It seems like they have plenty to share
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[18:47] <dive> but anyway, never seen a compile that didn't generate a system.map
[18:47] <Urchlay> here's a good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeB6VhbbY_g
[18:47] <Urchlay> (sorry, still playing with youtube)
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[18:57] <lns40> ewww tube
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[19:06] <MLanden> Heya,folks....How's everyone?
[19:08] <pi31415> good
[19:09] <Cann0n> youtube has some useful shit
[19:09] <Cann0n> but its mostly (99%) bullshit
[19:09] <eviljames> s/youtube/the internet/
[19:10] <dive> evening MLanden
[19:10] <MLanden> Evenin', dive
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[19:14] <MLanden> Cann0n: What did you find useful?
[19:16] <Cann0n> eh, i personally like learning things.. and if i have to elaborate on that... then i with draw.
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[19:19] <juice> i know I have an odd request but how do you force automake to copy an empty folder
[19:19] <Urchlay> I have never seen anything useful on youtube... unless "distracting waste of time" is ever useful
[19:19] <Pig_Pen> i learn what i can when i can, other than that i like to philosophize about life to see if i can improve me and mine
[19:19] <Cann0n> Urchlay: you aren't very active are you?
[19:20] <Urchlay> like maybe if you have cancer and are about to die, it's useful to watch some funny stuff on youtube to get your mind off it
[19:20] <juice> when I try i get /usr/bin/ginstall: omitting directory
[19:20] <Urchlay> eh?
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[19:20] <thrice`> juice: are you using a slackbuild ?
[19:20] <Urchlay> active how? I don't really exercise enough if that's what you mean...
[19:20] <juice> no this is something of mine
[19:21] <juice> i need the blank dir copied over when it is installing
[19:21] <Urchlay> but that's a pretty common condition for IRC junkies...
[19:21] <Cann0n> Urchlay: ever have to replace an armeturebar in a starter for a vehicle? ever want to know how to do a ghost shovit 360 on a longboard?
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[19:21] <Cann0n> armature bar*
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[19:23] <Cann0n> it all depends on the person. i find visually seeing shit done must better than reading steps. hence, i like youtube... granted, 99% of it is bullshit
[19:24] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjy7RAu8TJ4  heres a classic!!!
[19:25] <Urchlay> hm, it would have never occurred to me to look for car repair stuff on youtube. That actually sounds useful...
[19:25] <Cann0n> if not more :)   i cant believe how much dumb shit is on there... people's failed attepts of getting famous lay unwatched and never wanted
[19:25] <Urchlay> must be a case of the signal being buried in the noise
[19:26] <Urchlay> what's a longboard? skateboard? can't say I've ever been able to do anything on a skateboard (inner ear problems, no sense of balance)
[19:26] <Cann0n> oh yeah, not to wemtion music videos
[19:26] <Cann0n> Urchlay: yeah, skateboard. :)
[19:27] <Urchlay> might have gotten more interested in skateboarding as a kid, if it didn't mean hanging out with a bunch of annoying skaters...
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[19:28] <Cann0n> i was solo. still am :(
[19:29] <Cann0n> been skating since 93'
[19:29] <Cann0n> tho i suck. lol
[19:29] <Urchlay> heh
[19:29] <Urchlay> wouldn't worry about it, you gotta be better than me
[19:29] <Urchlay> my thing as a kid was riding a dirt bike (the bicycle kind, not motorcycle)
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[19:30] <Urchlay> the few times I've tried to ride a bike as an adult haven't been fun though (times when I couldn't afford a car, but got sick of walking to work...)
[19:30] <MLanden> Pig_Pen: a real true classic..'nothin' like Leon Russell
[19:31] <Pig_Pen> yeah, Leon live in oklahoma, he has a place on the Grand Lake of the Cherokees in the northeast part of the state
[19:33] <Cann0n> wow, i never knew some of wy favorite bands where white.
[19:34] <Cann0n> were*
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[19:35] <pupit> ppl, does someone know the name of the band, where some chick plays a bass guitar and its a cool spot, it was aired in 2007 or 2008 and it was some cool singl with a good beat?
[19:36] <pupit> i know its not relevant...
[19:36] <Pig_Pen> pupit: that is too generized of a descreption, got any details?
[19:37] <Pig_Pen> generalized*
[19:37] <pupit> well, she is in some dress in spot, there is some black guy singing i think and some piano player or keyboards i think...
[19:37] <Pig_Pen> know any lyrics?
[19:38] <pupit> i cant remember it now.. :(
[19:38] <Urchlay> this reminds me of #music
[19:38] <Urchlay> (where I used to idle)
[19:38] <pupit> but its an US band i think...
[19:38] <Urchlay> "Does anybody know that one song, that like has that one singer, uhhm, I can't remember anything about it, but man it's cool"
[19:39] <Pig_Pen> lol!
[19:39] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, skipping two days of class, getting ten days of holidays, seems worth it
[19:39] <MLanden> lol
[19:39] <Camarade_Tux> lol too :)
[19:39] <pupit> urchlay, i thought someone will notice it like u did :p
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[19:39] <MLanden> Urchlay: doesn't it go like, wait maybe it goes like that?...lol
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[19:40] <pupit> lol
[19:40] <pupit> yeah, but how many girls are in top bands playing BASS?
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[19:40] <pupit> ;)
[19:40] <dartmouth> about as many as there are in IRC channels
[19:41] <pupit> dartmouth: there ya go.
[19:41] <Pig_Pen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_bass_guitarists pupit pick one
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[19:42] <Pig_Pen> i never figured wikipedia would have a list like that
[19:42] <Urchlay> White Zombie has female bass player... so do the Talking Heads
[19:42] <Urchlay> lady I rent from has a really hot daughter who plays the bass, but probably that's not who you're thinking of..
[19:42] <pupit> yeah, did u see the list?!!! no more than 100!
[19:43] <pupit> man, if i meet a girl who plays bass, i will merry her
[19:43] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm =)
[19:43] <Pig_Pen> white zombie? rob zombie's band? did you ever see that movie "house of 1000 corpses"?
[19:44] <Urchlay> not this one you won't, she's 100% lesbian
[19:44] <Camarade_Tux> pupit, don't say that, you may end up with a terrible girl
[19:44] <pupit> i have it, its a sick movie
[19:44] <Pig_Pen> lol! yes it is!
[19:44] <Pig_Pen> good for a halloween night
[19:44] <Camarade_Tux> The Devils Rejects too :)
[19:44] Action: Camarade_Tux would play some Rob Zombie if he could stay up
[19:44] <pupit> Camarade_Tux: ofcourse, she must be cute. :)
[19:45] <Pig_Pen> pupit: will you merry her? or marry her>?
[19:45] <Pig_Pen> or both, first merry her then marry her
[19:45] <pupit> marry* Pig_Pen
[19:45] <pupit> mistake :)
[19:45] <agentc0re> straterra: Hey, you around?
[19:45] <Pig_Pen> coolbeans, no problem :D
[19:45] <Camarade_Tux> pupit, well, I once did that (not married but dated) and, hmmm, I won't do it again ;)
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[19:45] <MLanden> Camarade_Tux: good soundtrack to Devil's Rejects...Terry Reid
[19:45] <Camarade_Tux> I love spam : "FAQ - Why Do Pepole Masturbate?"
[19:46] <Camarade_Tux> I'd better go to bed now, I wake up in five hours
[19:46] <Camarade_Tux> see you ;-)
[19:46] <Camarade_Tux> (I know I'll find several of you then ;p )
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[19:47] <pupit> Camarade_Tux: good night
[19:47] <Urchlay> hm, actually, the singer for my old band used to play bass, you probably wouldn't think she's cute though
[19:47] <Cann0n> well, im off to do dumb shit
[19:47] <Cann0n> later ya'll
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[19:48] <pupit> they know to do some jobs pretty good with their fingers... ;)
[19:48] <Urchlay> when she was in the band with me, she played violin and guitar (I played bass)
[19:49] <Urchlay> she also pissed me off mightily, I bought her a microphone and when it started feeding back, she threw it on a concrete floor
[19:50] <Urchlay> pupit: find a girl who plays saxophone, and knows how to do triplets at 120 beats/minute with her tongue
[19:51] <pupit> perversion :)
[19:51] <MLanden> Urchlay: lol....a REAL mindblower...:D
[19:51] <Pig_Pen> yeah, who would not want to marry Lisa Simpson :D
[19:52] <Pig_Pen> then you get bart as a brother in law and homer as a father in law, what a great life that would be
[19:53] <pupit> Pig_Pen: who would not want to have homer for wifes father...
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[19:53] <Urchlay> do not date a girl who plays oboe. She'll insist on playing for you, and almost nobody can stand the sound of an oboe by itself
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[19:54] <Pig_Pen> the man in the suit just bought a new car from the profits he made off your dreams
[19:54] <MLanden> Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys...:D
[19:54] <Pig_Pen> coool song
[19:55] <MLanden> good album.....Light Up or Leave Me Alone
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[19:58] <MLanden> Pig_Pen: another good line from that song you mention is "If I gave you everything that I own,and ask for nothing in return. Would you do the same for me and I did for you"
[19:58] <MLanden> s/and/as
[19:58] <Pig_Pen> yeah, that song has some insightful lyrics
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[20:00] <dartmouth> ok i have broken my alsa during a kernel compile lol
[20:00] <dartmouth> function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such file or directory :P
[20:00] <Pig_Pen> that music is from the early 70's MLanden you just gave away your age, your no youngster :D you got to be about as old as i am
[20:01] <MLanden> i am old,I am young .. I am all things under the sun
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[20:03] <Pig_Pen> dartmouth: did you build sound support as modules [M] or built embedded in the kernel, i get better results from audio (drivers & apps) when sound support is built as modules
[20:03] <MLanden> When Steve Winwood was doing Back in the Highlife again, I was in high school...just like to backtrack on artists
[20:05] <Pig_Pen> ah, yeah, i can understand that, i did that when i first discovered Led Zepp when Starway to Heavin first hit the radio and became a hit, i bought all their albums,
[20:06] <MLanden> Pig_Pen: ever care for the Yardbirds?
[20:06] <Pig_Pen> yeah, about the same band under a different name
[20:07] <Pig_Pen> that album with the topless chic holding what looked like a hood ornamit in her hands
[20:07] <Pig_Pen> no! thats blind faith
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[20:07] <andarius> greetings and salutations
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[20:08] <MLanden> Salutations and greetings
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[20:09] <dartmouth> Pig_Pen: checking right now; i do know that i have no /dev/dsp now lol
[20:09] <MrHales> Freeow!  I attempt ssh to some.random.com and ssh is trying to connect me to ::1?!  So... like... what happened?  I'm pretty sure I changed no settings since last I connected to me webhost...
[20:09] <Urchlay>  /dev/dsp is only used for OSS emulation. Not having it isn't fatal
[20:09] <dartmouth> i am pretty sure i compiled it into kernel-- that really *should* work better... :/
[20:09] <dartmouth> i removed OSS stuff
[20:09] <Urchlay> well that's why no /dev/dsp
[20:09] <juice> whats the better gui torrent app? transmission?
[20:09] <MLanden> dartmouth: What is your sound card/chip?
[20:09] <MrHales> My computer is suddenly IPV6 Narcissus, or something?
[20:09] <Urchlay> juice: transmission is good. Haven't really used anything else in a long time though
[20:10] <juice> okay I never use torrents
[20:10] <dartmouth> MLanden: nvidia mcp51
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[20:10] <juice> so I don't have experience with the clients really
[20:10] <MrHales> Oh, and greetings all.  o/
[20:10] <dartmouth> MrHales: man ssh
[20:11] <Urchlay> stay away from azureus (or vuze, I think it's renamed itself to now)
[20:11] <MLanden> Evenin', MrHales
[20:11] <MrHales> I can ssh to an IP just fine, but name resolution gives me, apparently, the IPV6 version of 127.0.0.1
[20:11] <MrHales> Anyone clueful on this specific mystery?
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[20:12] <dartmouth> sounds like a dns issue; what's in your resolve.conf file?
[20:12] <ccfreak2k> You have the pv6 module loaded.
[20:12] <juice> used utorrent in win or used Azureus back in the day
[20:12] <juice> but I know Azureus as since when to crap
[20:12] <juice> when=went
[20:12] <Urchlay> utorrent only exists for windows... though it works pretty well under wine, if you really want to try it
[20:13] <juice> nah I got the slackbuild for transmission
[20:13] <acidchild> why would you expose yourself security wise like that?
[20:13] <thrice`> with all of the good torrent clients available for linux O.o
[20:13] <Urchlay> (last time I tried utorrent.exe with wine it worked fine except its built-in bandwidth limiting did nothing at all)
[20:13] <juice> true, but like I said I don't torrent stuff
[20:14] <dive> qbittorret is nice
[20:14] <juice> i'd assume direct dl
[20:14] <Urchlay> acidchild: what, utorrent is a security hole? So my wine install gets corrupted or what? not so worried about it
[20:14] <juice> over torrent
[20:14] <acidchild> Urchlay: its not the foot hold thats to worrie about it
[20:14] <Urchlay> juice: fair enough, but then why'd you mention it?
[20:14] <acidchild> its data explosure.
[20:14] <Urchlay> explosure... nice word, can I borrow it?
[20:14] <acidchild> yep
[20:14] <MrHales> Okay, if I'm not running bind locally, what's performing the lookups?
[20:15] <juice> cause I have to use one now :(
[20:15] <Urchlay> MrHales: /lib/libresolv.so and friends
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[20:15] <ccfreak2k> MrHales: dig IN A google.com
[20:15] <juice> just wanted to make sure transmission was worth the one I installed
[20:15] <juice> used the slackbuild :)
[20:15] <MrHales> And what might I have done to break name resolution ... I am fair certain I've changed nada
[20:16] <acidchild> and think of how utorrent works out bandwidth, traffic to disk from the torrent file or total including over head and 'bad' packets? pcap would be the only way, so that would need some aspects of root privs.. to run
[20:16] <acidchild> i don't really have a point with this, just running utorrent on linux scares me.
[20:16] <acidchild> over say, adobe photo shop or something else.
[20:16] <juice> hmm basic enough
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[20:17] <juice> acidchild, heh
[20:17] Action: dartmouth wishes he could get photoshop on linux :(
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[20:19] <Urchlay> acidchild: I think it's a lot dumber/simpler than that
[20:19] <MLanden> MrHales: What are you using for a word processor?
[20:19] <MrHales> ... OOo
[20:19] <MrHales> Why?
[20:20] <Urchlay> apps that limit their own bandwidth do stuff like, divide bytes sent/received by the time it took, and if that's too much/too fast, sleep for 1/10 second and calculate again...
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[20:21] <Urchlay> I mean ssh has bandwidth limiting, but it doesn't use pcap for it
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[20:21] <MLanden> MrHales: Last time I talk with you , you were looking 'round for one..came 'cross a simple one http://pyroom.org/
[20:21] <MrHales> Ah, yeah for my bitty box
[20:21] <dive> python?
[20:22] <MrHales> I think, as far as my EeePC goes, I may just utilize Google Docs.  Zero disk space.  :-)
[20:22] <MLanden> MrHales: right
[20:22] <MrHales> I can't think of a word processor witha  smaller footprint
[20:22] <MLanden> true
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[20:23] <MrHales> It's looking like I may be losing my toy to my better half in the near future, though.
[20:25] <MLanden> she's taken a liking to your EeePC, MrHales?
[20:25] <MrHales> Oh, yes.
[20:26] <MLanden> ahhh, MrHales
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[20:27] <MrHales> It's not exactly the sort of portable power I really want, I guess, and it was inexpensive... I still like the thing... It was nice to take into the kitchen while cooking and working.
[20:27] <gnubien> MrHales: can you type easily on the eeePC keyboard?
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[20:28] <MrHales> Actually, yeah.  It's a bit crowded but I have fairly thin fingers for an ogre.
[20:30] <MLanden> dive: aye,python app
[20:31] <dive> looking at the screenshots, you might as well use vim
[20:31] <dive> unless it can do odt, rtf etc
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[20:33] <gnubien> MrHales: thanks, better than being a fat fingered ogre i guess :)
[20:33] <MrHales> The only problems I usually have are with the right shift key.. I end up hitting -> instead
[20:33] <MrHales> sometimes
[20:34] <firebird619> Hey MLanden. How are you?
[20:34] <gnubien> MrHales: that problem is listed in many reviews of netbooks
[20:34] <MLanden> Fine thanks firebird619 and you?
[20:35] <firebird619> MLanden: doing great, thanks. I was afk for a while. Looks like there's some storms moving in here.
[20:36] <MLanden> no,dive...guess vim would be better.
[20:36] <MLanden> Not too bad for the moment, firebird619?
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[20:37] <firebird619> MLanden: nope. :)
[20:39] <firebird619> dive: I'm back working on procmail now, it's really simpler than I thought. :)
[20:39] <MLanden> That's good to hear, firebird619
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[20:40] <firebird619> MLanden: I'm working on a mail setup, dive suggested fetchmail + procmail + sendmail + mutt. I'm working on setting it up. I thought it'd be harder than it actually is.
[20:41] <nille__> howdy firebird619
[20:41] <MLanden> terse but not difficult. firebird619
[20:42] <firebird619> Hey nille__, how are you?
[20:42] <nille__> hey to MLanden to
[20:42] <MLanden> heya, nille_
[20:42] <nille__> i'm fine thanks and you?
[20:42] <firebird619> nille__: doing great, thanks. :)
[20:43] <firebird619> MLanden: It's really great the nice howtos/guides available for linux stuff online.
[20:43] <MLanden> :D
[20:43] <firebird619> I didn't know/realize how cool procmail was and what all it could do. :)
[20:45] <dive> firebird619, if you need a sendmail setup: http://www.davidwoodfall.co.uk/profile/index.php?sendmail
[20:45] <dive> there's a howto
[20:46] <firebird619> Hmm, I have a Mail directory already in /home (made by claws-mail) it's in MH format, what does fetchmail and procmail use by default, Maildir? Can I convert the MH stuff to Maildir so it sees that mail there already?
[20:46] <firebird619> dive: great, Thank you very much. :)
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[20:50] <firebird619> sweet, I found a script for converting mh to maildir.
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[20:55] <MrHales> Okay, then, got that fixed.
[20:57] <MLanden> MrHales: good to hear
[20:57] <MrHales> I'm too funny for my own good, apparently.
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[20:58] <firebird619> Wow, conky has to take a lot of resources, I just killed it and the performance picked up drastically.
[20:59] <MrHales> I had my hostname set as a domain it turns out actually exists..
[21:00] <MLanden> firebird619: how much resource was it pulling?
[21:02] <antiwire> i'm getting txt message raped
[21:02] <MrHales> Oopth
[21:02] <MLanden> antiwire: By whom?
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[21:02] <antiwire> by a friend i haven't seen for years and then i re-met them at a party and now the txt flood gates have been opened
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[21:03] <MLanden> OUCH,antiwire...lol
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[21:04] <agentc0re> antiwire: you should forward them back to him/her to confuse the shit out of him/her
[21:04] <MrHales> You scared 'em, MLanden.
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[21:05] <agentc0re> MLanden: you got rick rolled :P
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[21:06] <MLanden> rolled but not ricked....smooth and mellow...:D
[21:06] <agentc0re> ha ha.
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[21:18] <firebird619> MLanden: wow, that was fun.
[21:18] <MLanden> firebird619: hmm?!?
[21:19] <firebird619> MLanden: that took out 238 users here. :)
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[21:25] <MLanden> firebird619: which server did they connect you to? barjavel?
[21:27] <firebird619> MLanden: card
[21:27] <kkkyle> Hello World!
[21:27] <beatzz> I just switched from Kubuntu 8.04 to Slackware 12.2, and setting up my Desktop has been easy so far, but I would like to get the wireless working asap. (which worked well on Kubuntu.) Just don't know where to start necessarily. Any sudjestions or needed information? I have a limited amount of time online before I have to return home.
[21:27] <firebird619> beatzz: congratulations, enjoy your stay in slackware. :)
[21:28] <beatzz> been trying it on and off for a wile.
[21:28] <MLanden> beatzz: What is your wireless card/chip?
[21:28] <firebird619> beatzz: I don't have wireless myself, but one great tool for wireless is wicd, it's in extra/
[21:28] <beatzz> but i think i can handle it this time
[21:29] <beatzz> MLanden, how do i get that? ifconfig?
[21:29] <agentc0re> beatzz: Okay, a few things to start off with so you don't go down the wrong path.  http://slackbuilds.org http://slackwiki.org and http://slackbook.org
[21:29] <beatzz> i will bookmark those asap
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[21:30] <agentc0re> beatzz: Get familiar with slackpkg and maybe take a look at sbopkg.  It's a nice util to use for getting slackbuilds with ease.  For you wireless you have wpa_supplicant to start off with.  wicd is on slackbuilds.
[21:31] <firebird619> isn't wicd also in extra/
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[21:31] <beatzz> agentc0re, I have all of them bookmarked
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[21:31] <MLanden> beatzz: should be listed in lsmod
[21:32] <agentc0re> firebird619: not sure, might be.
[21:32] <agentc0re> firebird619: always thought it was on slackbuilds.  never looked in extra.
[21:32] <agentc0re> i use wpa_supplicant myself.
[21:32] <beatzz> MLanden, not shure what your looking for?
[21:32] <firebird619> agentc0re: I think it's in extra/ but I could be wrong too. I don't have wireless at all so I don't know/can't remember.
[21:33] <twolf> it is in extra
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[21:33] <firebird619> indeed it is, I just checked.
[21:33] <firebird619> Hi twolf
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[21:33] <twolf> hi firebird619
[21:33] <agentc0re> beatzz: Oh and one more for the bookmarks, http://noobfarm.org  watch out, don't wind up on it too early ;) :P
[21:33] <firebird619> haha
[21:34] <MLanden> Heya, twolf
[21:34] <beatzz> ok, i  will read the man for slackpkg
[21:34] <twolf> hi MLanden
[21:34] <agentc0re> did you say the, "r" word?  I think you'll do just fine! :)
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[21:36] <MLanden> beatzz: was just asking what kind of wireless card you have
[21:36] <firebird619> arh, why does this script have to need tkdiff. :(
[21:36] <beatzz> MLanden, how do i find out?
[21:36] <agentc0re> beatzz: lspci -v
[21:36] <beatzz> MLanden, iknow it used B43 drivers
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[21:38] <beatzz> MLanden, Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
[21:38] <firebird619> there ya go, that's it.
[21:38] <beatzz> ;)
[21:38] <beatzz> i have a semi-solid linux foundation
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[21:39] <antiwire> i'm sure we can break that for you
[21:40] <firebird619> yes, easily. :)
[21:40] <MLanden> beatzz: cool
[21:40] <firebird619> How's it going antiwire?
[21:41] <antiwire> good, but i want to see the pci ID for that b43 card
[21:41] <beatzz> MLanden, what do I do with that now?
[21:41] <antiwire> i mean vendor id
[21:42] <beatzz> listed in that same colum?
[21:42] <agentc0re> beatzz: You'll need to modify your /etc/wpa_supplicant file to fit your needs.
[21:43] <antiwire> beatzz: lspci -nn
[21:43] <antiwire> i'm just curious
[21:43] <antiwire> the second column from the right
[21:43] <firebird619> Argh, how do I install Parse.pm for perl? cpan -i Parse.pm?
[21:43] <agentc0re> beatzz: also you will need to add two lines to the /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf.  WLAN_WPA[4]=wpa_supplicant and WLAN_WPADRIVER[4]=broadcom
[21:44] <beatzz> ...
[21:44] <agentc0re> firebird619: you can either do cpan and in the cpan cli do install parse
[21:44] <beatzz> how should i modify /etc/wpa_supplicant
[21:44] <beatzz> agentc0re, how should i modify /etc/wpa_supplicant
[21:44] <antiwire> nano /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:45] <firebird619> agentc0re: Ok, thanks.
[21:45] <beatzz> antiwire, what r u looking for in lspci -nn
[21:45] <agentc0re> beatzz: su - root and use vim, nano kate.. whatever floats your boat.
[21:45] <antiwire> (2009-05-13 18:44:11) antiwire: the second column from the right
[21:45] <antiwire> for the broadcom card
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[21:45] <beatzz> antiwire, 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
[21:45] <beatzz> 0a:09.0 CardBus bridge [0607]: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller [104c:8039]
[21:45] <beatzz> 0a:09.2 Mass storage controller [0180]: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) [104c:803b]
[21:46] <agentc0re> beatzz: http://linux.die.net/man/5/wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:46] <MLanden> antiwire: seeing if it's legacy?
[21:46] <antiwire> beatzz: you have an hp/compaq laptop
[21:46] <antiwire> ?
[21:46] <beatzz> acer
[21:47] <agentc0re> firebird619: other way is, perl -MCPAN -e shell
[21:47] <antiwire> weird
[21:47] <beatzz> agentc0re, i have /etc/wpa_supplement.conf open in a txt editor
[21:47] <beatzz> agentc0re, now what?
[21:48] <firebird619> agentc0re: Ok. I did that first one, cpan then install parse, I got, Cannot install parse don't know what it is. I did i /parse/ as it suggested and got a ton of stuff with parse in it.
[21:48] <agentc0re> take a look at that link and see which one fits what type of WAP you have and configure it as such.
[21:48] <agentc0re> firebird619: try, install Parse
[21:48] <_juan> what ois the easiest way to download all -current?
[21:48] <agentc0re> firebird619: it's sensitive sometimes.
[21:48] <antiwire> _juan: rsync
[21:49] <firebird619> agentc0re: same thing. :(
[21:49] <beatzz> agentc0re, for each individual network i connect to i have to edit /etc/wpa_supplement.conf ?
[21:49] <_juan> thanks
[21:49] <agentc0re> firebird619: i googled parse, is it part of something else, like html?
[21:50] <agentc0re> firebird619: you can do, install Parse::CPAN::Packages
[21:50] <firebird619> agentc0re: I have no idea. I'm trying to convert a folder with MH mail in it to Maildir with a script and this script complained about Parse.pm is missing.
[21:51] <firebird619> agentc0re: Ok, I'll try that.
[21:51] <agentc0re> firebird619: wait.
[21:51] Action: firebird619 is waiting
[21:51] <agentc0re> firebird619: not sure if thats the one with parse.pm.  I was assuming you knew.
[21:52] <beatzz> agentc0re, am i just inputing the settings that are for the local wifi network?
[21:52] <agentc0re> did this script come with some sort of readme?
[21:52] <antiwire> beatzz: you make multiple sections for each network.
[21:52] <firebird619> agentc0re: No, it was just a script itself, I got it from kmail's site (KDE)
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[21:52] <antiwire> so if you connect to 5 networks you set it up with 5 sections and you can leave it alone from then on out
[21:52] <firebird619> agentc0re: the script itself is on another site.
[21:54] <agentc0re> firebird619: link please.
[21:54] <firebird619> agentc0re: http://www.informatik-vollmer.de/software/mh2maildir.php
[21:55] <firebird619> agentc0re: Do you know of a way to convert mh to maildir?
[21:55] <Pig_Pen> http://hackaday.com/2009/05/13/massive-etch-a-sketch-from-tv-screen/
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[21:57] <agentc0re> firebird619: I don't, sorry.
[21:57] <firebird619> agentc0re: that's ok. :)
[21:57] <agentc0re> firebird619: Hrm, not sure what it's looking for.
[21:57] <agentc0re> there are several packages out there that have parser after the first name, ie: html::parser.  Or the one i gave you is the only one i could find with parse in front.
[21:57] <firebird619> agentc0re: me either. I would assume there's a simpler way, but this is all I've come up with so far, this script.
[21:58] <firebird619> yeah, there's 1,860 of them
[21:59] <MLanden> Pig_Pen: helluva project
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[21:59] <Shingoshi> firebird619: I'm back up and running. Though at a lower speed than I was last night. I kept having random lock-ups.
[21:59] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[21:59] <firebird619> Shingoshi: ah that's to bad.
[21:59] <Shingoshi> I'm hoping it runs now for 24 hours without another lock-up.
[22:00] <firebird619> good luck. :)
[22:00] <Shingoshi> At least my temps are fantastic.
[22:00] <firebird619> yeah, that's great.
[22:00] Action: MLanden knocks on a forest of wood for Shingoshi..:D
[22:00] <firebird619> haha
[22:01] <firebird619> MLanden: great, one of the trees fell down, ya knocked to hard. :P
[22:01] <jeev> the mac commercial with the girl "genius" is funny, she's cute
[22:01] <Shingoshi> I really think it's the EVGA 730i motherboard. It is known to be very buggy. BIOS errors are common.
[22:01] <jeev> ordinarily cute, i love that
[22:01] <MLanden> firebird619: If you weren't there, what did it sound like?...ahhh,zen
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[22:02] <firebird619> haha
[22:02] <firebird619> If a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, did it really fall? :P
[22:02] <Shingoshi> firebird619: So if I suddenly disappear, you'll know that my system went down again.
[22:02] <agentc0re> firebird619: http://offog.org/darcs/misccode/mh-to-maildir
[22:02] <firebird619> jeev: e-mail Apple, maybe you can get her name. :P *cough*doubtful*cough*
[22:03] <thrice`> has anyone installed slackware to a thinkpad, from the usbboot.img ?  I keep getting "boot error."  I think it's a syslinux vs. bios issue, but can't find much
[22:03] <jeev> firebird619, my girlfriend is the cutest thing on earth. i wouldn't dare!
[22:03] <firebird619> jeev: good to hear, glad you feel that way about your gf.
[22:03] <jeev> :>
[22:03] <firebird619> agentc0re: tried that one, I don't have the maildir command that's evidently part of the safecat program.
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[22:04] <firebird619> and that script needs it.
[22:04] <jeev> firebird619, got a replacement server coming in, can't wait!
[22:04] <Shingoshi> jeev: You deserve praise for that!
[22:04] <jeev> heh Shingoshi, thanks. she's really something else man
[22:04] <jeev> i've been with many girls, i've never ever ever ever ever ever had a girl like her
[22:04] <firebird619> Shingoshi: he sure does.
[22:04] Action: firebird619 praises jeev.
[22:04] <firebird619> :P
[22:04] <Shingoshi> I wish you a life of happiness together!
[22:04] <agentc0re> firebird619: http://www.panayotis.com/prog/scripts/smdir/index.html
[22:04] <jeev> thanks a lot man
[22:05] <firebird619> agentc0re: Thanks, I'll give that one a try.
[22:05] <Shingoshi> Unless she's already married, like some of mine have been. BAD!!
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[22:05] <bhodgins> ugh my servers being bitchy
[22:05] <firebird619> hahaha
[22:05] <jeev> lol Shingoshi, na mine is still in college, stressing through the unnecssary crap they make her learn
[22:05] <bhodgins> everytime I open pkgtool and go to remove packages it says no packages were removed lol
[22:06] <Shingoshi> bebacklater
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[22:06] <bhodgins> also, I noticed all of my disk space on / is taken up.. strangely
[22:06] <firebird619> later Shingoshi
[22:06] <bhodgins> and var is on separate
[22:06] <firebird619> bhodgins: haha, ouch. You got problems.
[22:06] <antiwire> sounds like someone is getting fired
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[22:06] <bhodgins> yeah. I gave it 12 gigs for root, wtf
[22:07] <bhodgins> the other 200+ is to be lvmed with iscsi
[22:07] <bhodgins> I'll email my old instructor about coming in to work on the machine I suppose
[22:08] Action: firebird619 gives bhodgins a pink slip. :P
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[22:08] <juice> bah k3b and brasero are letting me down
[22:09] <firebird619> agentc0re: that's working great. Thanks again. :)
[22:09] <beatzz> agentc0re, im still lost on how editing this file will make my wifi work?
[22:10] <firebird619> beatzz: have to read some more? Which file wpa_supplicant.conf?
[22:10] <firebird619> s/?/.
[22:10] <juice> today is a day I should have stayed in bed
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[22:11] <kkkyle> beatzz: what is your problem???
[22:11] <beatzz> firebird619, yes am looking at it
[22:11] <juice> I slept 3 hours and nothing software related is working for me
[22:11] <beatzz> kkkyle, trying to get my wifi to work
[22:11] <beatzz> kkkyle, it worked on Kubuntu
[22:11] <kkkyle> oh, lol thats always fun
[22:11] <juice> already been cobbling around for hours on this crap
[22:11] <firebird619> hahaha, from fortune: If today is the first day of the rest of your life, what the hell was yesterday?
[22:11] <eviljames> am I being redundant in recommending wicd for wifi?
[22:11] <firebird619> eviljames: been done already.
[22:12] <kkkyle> whats the problem with the connection
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[22:12] <kkkyle> ?
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[22:14] <firebird619> kkkyle: he's trying to get wireless working, just switch to slack from Kubuntu. reading, wicd, and wpa_supplicant.conf have been suggested.
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[22:14] <Pig_Pen> what front end in kubuntu did you use to configure your wireless beatzz?
[22:15] <firebird619> agentc0re: SWEEEET, that script worked perfectly, thanks again. :)
[22:15] <firebird619> Hey Pig_Pen. How's it going?
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[22:15] <Pig_Pen> doing fine firebird619, how are you?
[22:15] <firebird619> doing great, thanks. That keyboard still holding up. :)
[22:16] <Pig_Pen> ya
[22:16] <firebird619> :D
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[22:17] <Pig_Pen> almost sleepytime for me
[22:17] <firebird619> You go to bed quite early eh?
[22:17] <juice> ridiculous I have to boot windows to burn a freaking cd atm
[22:17] <Pig_Pen> around 10pm, sunrise comes early
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[22:17] Action: Shingoshi cooks a Jalepeno Pepper Pork Pot Roast. It's to be added to my vegetables shortly.
[22:18] <jeev> ew
[22:18] Action: jeev hates *pepper*
[22:18] <firebird619> jeev +1
[22:18] <Shingoshi> Cooked in a Slow cooker. Fantastic.
[22:18] <jeev> if i get to 10, you're going to sleep with me?
[22:18] <jeev> lol
[22:18] <jeev> i just hate the taste.
[22:18] <Pig_Pen> i love jalepeno peppers sliced on a hamburger
[22:19] Action: firebird619 doesn't go to bed until around 03:00
[22:19] <jeev> heh
[22:19] <firebird619> I love hamburgers, not peppers.
[22:19] <Shingoshi> The flavor will be distributed throughout the veggies. Won't be so strong that way!
[22:19] <jeev> veggies rule. broccoli and other ish
[22:19] <jeev> but not peppers
[22:19] <MLanden> peppers are truly an acquired taste
[22:20] <Pig_Pen> Shingoshi: sounds like some tasty supper your cooking
[22:20] <jeev> you guys try dry lemon?
[22:20] <Shingoshi> I cooked the meat to absorb the flavor. The rest of the veggies will be flavored by the meat.
[22:20] <jeev> armenian/persian culture, not sure which.. there is a greens, beef and those white beans with black tops.. forgot the name
[22:20] <firebird619> MLanden: indeed, and I haven't acquired it yet, and probably never will. :)
[22:20] <jeev> they put dry lemons sometimes, i HATE dry lemon
[22:20] <jeev> but otherwise, the food is the besttttttttttttttttt
[22:20] Action: Shingoshi likes limes.
[22:21] <jeev> http://www.gastronomie-sf.com/2005/02/ghormeh_sabzi_o.html
[22:21] <jeev> nasty pictures
[22:21] <jeev> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yMEJcplkQAw/SVmWVYx2H_I/AAAAAAAAAIA/C2twCwQ42cY/s320/Ghormeh_Sabzi.jpg so delish
[22:22] <rworkman> jeev: you like lemons??
[22:22] Action: Shingoshi likes Greek cuisine and Ouzo!
[22:22] <rworkman> and lemons?
[22:22] <jeev> not really
[22:22] <antiwire> i think he does
[22:22] <jeev> lemons are only cool in some things, very rare
[22:22] <rworkman> jeev: oh, nevermind then.  I thought you and Shingoshi might have a party with them or something ;-)
[22:22] <Pig_Pen> lol!
[22:22] <jeev> haha ass
[22:23] <jeev> i didnt even know wtf you were talkin about
[22:23] <rworkman> :D
[22:23] <firebird619> Hey there rworkman. How's your day going?
[22:23] <jeev> apparently dreaming of lemon parties
[22:23] <rworkman> Fast. Almost gone.
[22:24] <firebird619> aren't they all like that. :P
[22:24] <rworkman> jeev: touché
[22:24] <jeev> i wish there'd be something awesome to happen to mozilla thunderbird
[22:25] <firebird619> Ugh, thunderbird. I used to like that, but don't care for it anymore.
[22:25] <jeev> what do you use
[22:25] <jeev> i'm stuck in vista for my main comp ;D
[22:25] <firebird619> opera mail. :)
[22:25] <firebird619> Ugh, vista.
[22:25] <firebird619> :P
[22:25] <jeev> yea
[22:25] <jeev> cause i have 12 gigs of ram
[22:25] <edman007> dive, pong?
[22:25] <rworkman> claws mail ftw
[22:25] <Shingoshi> jeev: I also use Thunderbird, and nothing else.
[22:25] <firebird619> rworkman: claws mail is also a favorite of mine, very nice.
[22:25] <antiwire> does opera do pgp?
[22:25] <jeev> never heard of claws.
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[22:26] <antiwire> or gpg
[22:26] <thrice`> has anyone used the usb-installer on a recent thinkpad ?
[22:26] <rworkman> thrice`: define "recent" :)
[22:26] <firebird619> jeev: used to be sylpheed, then sylpheed-claws, and now claws-mail
[22:26] <jeev> heh
[22:26] <Pig_Pen> darn, another severe thunderstorm is about to hit, i think i will stay up until it passes, no sense in getting almost asleep and boom! comes the thunder
[22:26] <firebird619> antiwire: Um, not sure. I think maybe so, but not sure.
[22:26] <jeev> i've got 3 thinkpads..
[22:26] <thrice`> rworkman: mm, good question.  from google, I've seem mostly 60-series
[22:26] <rworkman> nope
[22:26] <jeev> rworkmank, any news from kernel.org?
[22:26] <thrice`> all i get is "boot error"
[22:26] <Shingoshi> Pig_Pen: Just be safe there!
[22:27] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: large cell or a small quick to come quick to go.
[22:27] <Pig_Pen> yeah, no tornados i hope
[22:27] <rworkman> jeev: it will happen; I think we're the holdup now, but be patient - it will happen :)
[22:27] <thrice`> I've successfully booted usb using a grub-based loader.  I think it's a syslinux (?) conflict
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[22:27] <Pig_Pen> just a line moving from north to south
[22:27] <Dominian> quick off topic question...
[22:27] <Dominian> Who here receives those damn Nigerian scams?
[22:27] <firebird619> not I.
[22:27] Action: Shingoshi goes back to cooking!
[22:27] <jeev> Dominian, i haven't sent one out in a week..
[22:27] <jeev> err i mean received.
[22:27] <jeev> ;)
[22:27] <Dominian> heh
[22:28] <antiwire> Dominian: gmail is pretty good a blocking all that crap, at least for me
[22:28] <Dominian> no.. point is..
[22:28] <Pig_Pen> http://images.intellicast.com/WxImages/RadarLoop/law_None_anim.gif  looks like it will be here in about 30 minutes to an hour
[22:28] <Dominian> I want them.. with headers if possible :)
[22:28] <rworkman> thrice`: well, no idea - I've not run across that at all on the T4x series.
[22:28] <antiwire> lol
[22:29] <rworkman> btw, I'm now on a borrowed T30 :/  The T41 finally bit the dust today - she's officially retired.
[22:29] <jeev> i should be a+ at geography
[22:29] <jeev> but where the hell is that
[22:29] <Dominian> If you guys wanna "pitch" in.. head to http://419eater.com and see what I'm apart of ;)
[22:29] <thrice`> rworkman: bummer :(
[22:29] <Dominian> got my parents sending me some :)
[22:29] <jeev> Dominian, put my google ads on it!
[22:29] <Dominian> jeev: haha
[22:29] <Dominian> not my site
[22:29] <XGizzmo> rworkman: You know whats wrong with it?
[22:29] <thrice`> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/x61-usb-boot-error-691955/  is pretty much it
[22:29] <Dominian> I've been trying to find these guys for a long time.. finally did.. finally joined :)
[22:29] <firebird619> antiwire: nope, no gpg as of yet in opera. They're working on it though.
[22:29] <antiwire> not even a plugin?
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[22:30] <jeev> heh
[22:30] <antiwire> that's one of the main things i get from thunderbird via plugins
[22:30] <edman007> dive, and i do have a brother
[22:30] <firebird619> antiwire: nope. Opera doesn't really use plugins/extensions. They have alot of stuff built-in and other stuff is widgets.
[22:30] <jeev> Pig_Pen, get the yanni live at the acropolis album and blast it in the rain and watch it pour
[22:30] <jeev> we dont have much rain in LA, just stupid sunsets
[22:31] <firebird619> stupid sunsets? why stupid? :P
[22:31] <jeev> how many sunsets could you stare at!
[22:31] <Pig_Pen> yanni?
[22:31] <jeev> yes, Yanni!
[22:32] <Pig_Pen> the acropolis in Greece?
[22:32] <antiwire> how can a sunset be stupid?
[22:32] <rworkman> XGizzmo: well, "flaky hardware" is the best summary.  Integrated NIC started causing kernel panics a couple of months ago...  A couple of days ago the backlight started turning off on its own, and now it's completely gone.  It will turn on occasionally, but not enough to use it.
[22:32] <jeev> yes
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[22:32] <jeev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanni_Live_at_the_Acropolis
[22:32] <jeev> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYW63J648i0 and more.
[22:32] <jeev> old school but still awesome.
[22:32] <rworkman> XGizzmo: the laptop isn't completely worthless - I'll probably sell it on eBay to raise a bit of cash to put toward a new one
[22:32] <antiwire> i'll pass on yawnii
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[22:34] <jeev> man, latitude's from dell are the est.
[22:34] <jeev> best
[22:34] <firebird619> jeev: you own one?
[22:35] <jeev> i used to, gave it to my uncle.. he really needed it
[22:35] <jeev> stuck with 3 lenovo's lol
[22:35] <Pig_Pen> jeev he has some good music, i like it
[22:35] <firebird619> thinkpads?
[22:35] <jeev> yea
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[22:35] <jeev> Pig_Pen, great music.. :)
[22:35] <Dominian> lenovos are nice
[22:35] <firebird619> jeev: they are nice.
[22:35] <jeev> na they're kinda crappyk, i've said it in here a few times
[22:35] Action: firebird619 doesn't own a laptop. 
[22:35] <superGear> buy one
[22:35] <jeev> 2.8ghz ssd, the ssd takes a long time to wake up from sleep and the speakers stopped working
[22:36] <jeev> 2.53ghz core 2 duo 160gig 7200rpm one when turning on from sleep sometimes doesn't start wifi or something
[22:36] <jeev> the other one is a 12.1 i think.. it's not bad, no bugs so far, just annoyingly little
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[22:36] <thrice`> lenovos are crappy, and dell's are best ?
[22:36] <jeev> absolutely
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[22:36] <thrice`> O.o
[22:36] <rworkman> I think I've stumbled into an alternate reality.
[22:36] <superGear> Macbook
[22:37] <jeev> after dealing with lenovo's support and dell's support.. if i really needed a new laptop, i'd get the latitude
[22:37] <antiwire> I own a dell and i but say lenovo is crappy
[22:37] <lee555J5> rworkman: no, that was earlier :)
[22:37] <jeev> i mean, inspirons are cool too, got 3 older ones at home still running like they just came out of the woomb
[22:37] <antiwire> lenovo would be my second choice actually
[22:37] <jeev> superGear, i buy diamonds with the monies i save not buying macs.
[22:37] <jeev> Pig_Pen, listen to all the songs at the acropolis.
[22:37] <rworkman> lee555J5: which time? :)
[22:37] <superGear> Diamonds for who?
[22:38] <jeev> haha, just somethin to say that macs are overpriced ;)
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[22:39] <dartmouth> gyah
[22:39] <dartmouth> i can't get my sound back :(
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[22:39] <Pig_Pen> yeah, i see a few in the releated section
[22:39] <dartmouth> after building a kernel
[22:39] <superGear> find which module you are missing
[22:39] <eviljames> did you forget to build a module?
[22:40] <Pig_Pen> dartmouth: did you dig deep in to the submenu and select the driver?
[22:40] <jeev> he's probably missing the sanity module!
[22:40] <dartmouth> i can't find it; under audio drivers it just splits everything between alsa and oss
[22:41] <superGear> pci
[22:41] <superGear> external?
[22:41] <jeev> bah, where is chowabunga
[22:41] <dartmouth> device drivers -> soundcard support; etc
[22:41] <dartmouth> superGear: it's onboard
[22:41] <antiwire> luckily both of you aren't here at the same time
[22:41] <eviljames> what type of card is it?
[22:41] <dartmouth> nvidia MCP51
[22:42] <dartmouth> no fgx either because fglrx needs to be rebuilt as well lol
[22:42] <dartmouth> gfx*
[22:42] <superGear> ewww ATI ;P
[22:42] <dartmouth> haha yeah
[22:42] <dartmouth> but im more worried about the sound
[22:42] <jeev> anyone seen Taken ?
[22:42] <dartmouth> i can deal with console-only.  i kinda like it.  but i can't deal without my music haha
[22:43] <eviljames>  <M>   Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 ?
[22:43] <eviljames> jeev: I did see it.
[22:43] <jeev> "this is no time for dick measuring"
[22:43] <superGear> build as a module or build it in
[22:43] <superGear> who's dick measuring?
[22:43] <jeev> it's from the movie, nevermind
[22:43] <Pig_Pen> look in the intel HD Audio submenu that is the only place where i see a nvidia sound driver
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[22:44] <dartmouth> eviljames: what menu did you find it under
[22:44] <Pig_Pen> snd-hda-codec-nvhdmi sound right dartmouth ?
[22:45] <antiwire> seriously...hit / and type a search string already
[22:45] <antiwire> stop the madness
[22:45] <dartmouth> haha
[22:46] <superGear> prowire > antiwire
[22:46] <dartmouth> sexwire > prowire
[22:46] Nick change: antiwire -> prowire
[22:46] Nick change: dartmouth -> sexwire
[22:46] Nick change: prowire -> antiwire
[22:47] Action: sexwire feels like an HBO special
[22:47] Nick change: sexwire -> dartmouth
[22:47] <MLanden> what?!? No livewire?..:o
[22:47] Nick change: firebird619 -> livewire
[22:47] <livewire> :P
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[22:48] <MLanden> lol
[22:48] <eviljames> has to be a favorite motley crue song of mine!
[22:48] <dartmouth> there's an option for the 'silent boot' that is supposed to only show errors, yet seems to actually remove nothing from the bootup process
[22:48] Nick change: livewire -> firebird619
[22:49] <MLanden> good song..also,Merry go round on the same album
[22:49] <antiwire> dartmouth: are you randomly enabling and disable kernel options?
[22:49] <antiwire> disabling*
[22:49] <dartmouth> antiwire: yes.  :)
[22:49] <eviljames> MLanden: hell yea!
[22:49] <eviljames> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjh562Kwul4
[22:50] <eviljames> CRANK IT
[22:50] <Pig_Pen> make randomconfig
[22:50] <dartmouth> lol
[22:50] <jeev> i wish i knew php like i know how to pick my nose
[22:50] <antiwire> randconfig
[22:50] <MLanden> eviljames: hear ya
[22:50] <beatzz> i haved installed Wicd
[22:51] <beatzz> and vlc both useing upgradepkg
[22:51] <eviljames> great, now enable rc.wicd
[22:51] <beatzz> eviljames, how so?
[22:51] <eviljames> beatzz: something tells me I'll be sending you to a lot of man pages ;)
[22:51] <firebird619> lol
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[22:51] <beatzz> i'll read every one
[22:51] <beatzz> i love man pages
[22:52] <firebird619> man *. Load em all up at once. :P
[22:52] <eviljames> awesome, this is going to work well, then.
[22:52] <eviljames> firebird619: hahahaha good call!
[22:52] <firebird619> :)
[22:52] <eviljames> beatzz: you know how services are started at boot?
[22:52] <beatzz> adding them to...
[22:52] <beatzz> hang on
[22:52] <beatzz> *refers to Linux+ exam book
[22:53] <beatzz> Daemons?
[22:54] <beatzz> cron?
[22:54] <eviljames> ok, but while the machine is booting up it goes looking for instructions on what to do.
[22:54] <eviljames> Where does it look for those instructions?
[22:54] <beatzz> crontab file?
[22:55] <eviljames> if I say rc.d does that help?
[22:55] <beatzz> /etc/rc.d
[22:55] <beatzz> yes
[22:55] <eviljames> yea, that's the startup scripts.
[22:55] <firebird619> ding ding ding. :P
[22:55] <eviljames> wicd has a daemon that is started there.
[22:55] <beatzz> startup script used to start the atd dmon
[22:56] <eviljames> well, atd is a daemon, but not the only one.
[22:56] <MLanden> why ya ring-a-lingin', firebird619?
[22:56] <eviljames> because this reads like a quiz show :)
[22:56] <firebird619> hahaha, cuz beatzz guessed /etc/rc.d right.
[22:57] <MLanden> ahhhh...good call..:D
[22:57] <firebird619> and the # of questions in the quiz has yet to be defined.
[22:57] <firebird619> For now, it's a wildcard.
[22:57] <firebird619> *
[22:57] <firebird619> :P
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[22:57] <beatzz> when i start Wicd it dosent finish loading
[22:58] <beatzz> so with wicd installed, whats next step?
[22:58] <firebird619> did you start the daemon? What does it do as opposed to finishing loading.
[22:58] <beatzz> start what daemon?
[22:59] <beatzz> i clicked on the menu option "Wicd Network Manager"
[22:59] <firebird619> well, what is it you're working with?
[22:59] <beatzz> card?
[22:59] <firebird619> ....
[22:59] <firebird619> no
[22:59] Action: dartmouth looks for something sharp
[22:59] <firebird619> haha
[22:59] <beatzz> i have a acer aspire 5570Z laptop
[23:00] <beatzz> with slackware 12.2 installed
[23:00] Action: dartmouth settles for cheddar cheese and puts his differences aside
[23:00] <firebird619> beatzz: by chance could it be the wicd daemon?
[23:00] <beatzz> i have used slackbuids VLC and wicd installed
[23:00] <firebird619> dartmouth: lol, good choice.
[23:00] <beatzz> i instaled them,
[23:00] <beatzz> nothing more
[23:00] <firebird619> beatzz: yes, but do you think wicd will start if the daemon isn't running?
[23:01] <firebird619> and work properly?
[23:01] <beatzz> no, so how do i start it
[23:01] <dartmouth> haha
[23:01] <dartmouth> omfg
[23:01] <dartmouth> did you read ANY of the install docs?
[23:01] <dartmouth> or did you just randomly install something to see what it does?
[23:01] <beatzz> wicd start
[23:01] <beatzz> rcatd start
[23:02] <firebird619> beatzz: what did you and eviljames talk about? what is the wicd daemon called, where is it at?
[23:02] <beatzz> i have no idea
[23:02] <beatzz> u all lost me there
[23:02] <beatzz> I got wicd installed
[23:02] <beatzz> still no wifi
[23:02] <dartmouth> lol
[23:02] <firebird619> wicd will not work magically on its own, you do have to do some work.
[23:02] <beatzz> i have little exp with daemons
[23:03] <beatzz> i understand that
[23:03] <beatzz> im just new to it
[23:03] <firebird619> one things for sure, you're not getting discouraged.
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[23:03] <dartmouth> beatzz: you have the command 'ls' installed as well.  how do you make 'ls' do something?
[23:03] <beatzz> ls -l usualy
[23:03] <firebird619> dartmouth: err, what?
[23:03] <dartmouth> awesome.  run with that.
[23:04] <beatzz> im sory if im being unclear somehow
[23:04] <beatzz> you all are obviously far more advanced than i am
[23:04] <firebird619> beatzz: I don't use wicd, but try, as root mind you, /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start. There's your one freebie. :P
[23:04] <beatzz> i think were getting lost in the translation
[23:05] <dartmouth> firebird619: :D
[23:05] <beatzz> firebird619, root@5570Z:/tmp# /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start
[23:05] <beatzz> Starting wicd daemon...
[23:05] <beatzz> root@5570Z:/tmp#
[23:06] <beatzz> thank you, that seemed to work
[23:06] <firebird619> beatzz: you'll also want to set rc.wicd so it starts with the pc, any ideas on how? :P
[23:06] <beatzz> so i just set it to start at boot is that corect?
[23:06] <firebird619> yes
[23:06] <firebird619> you know how?
[23:06] <beatzz> cron
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[23:06] <beatzz> right?
[23:06] <firebird619> :(
[23:07] <rworkman> http://slackbook.org
[23:08] <beatzz> so i need to find out how to start /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd daemon on PC start up
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[23:08] <firebird619> yes, if you read rworkman's link, it will help you.
[23:09] <agentc0re> firebird619: You might want to note that in the slackwiki or something since that script worked.
[23:09] <firebird619> agentc0re: ok, I've never put anything on there before, I'll check it out.
[23:09] <beatzz> so when i have it set to run at start up
[23:09] <beatzz> will wifi work?
[23:09] <juice> I have to quit changing computers, because everytime I have all these apps installed and configured then I have to redo it :(
[23:10] <juice> and I forget about them until I need them and then get mad when I have to redo it all over
[23:10] <firebird619> I'm working on procmail filters. When specifying where to filter a certain mail to, with Maildir would I specify to go into /cur, /new, or just a folder of it's own in inbox?
[23:11] <hitest> nite all:)
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[23:11] <beatzz> can you point me in the right direction?
[23:11] <MLanden> take care,folks...good luck in all life's endeavors
[23:11] <firebird619> beatzz: you'll have a little more to do than that, as I mentioned, it won't work on it's own. Again, if you read rworkman's link it will help you quite a bit.
[23:11] <beatzz> what do i look for  in the slack book?
[23:11] <firebird619> MLanden: good night, take care
[23:11] <MrHales> man wicd
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[23:12] <eviljames> i just wandered back to the computer, and part of me wants to just give away the answer.
[23:12] <eviljames> heh
[23:12] <firebird619> beatzz: It's divided into sections, networking perhaps. Also, what MrHales said.
[23:12] <firebird619> eviljames: I know huh. :P
[23:12] <agentc0re> Beer is depleted.. What to do next.
[23:12] <agentc0re> s/./?
[23:13] <firebird619> slackpkg install beer
[23:13] <eviljames> agentc0re: heroin.
[23:13] <agentc0re> firebird619: http://pastebin.com/d54486213
[23:14] <firebird619> hahaha, dang, didn't work.
[23:14] <agentc0re> eviljames: Look at noobfarm lately?
[23:14] <agentc0re> firebird619: heh ;)
[23:15] <eviljames> agentc0re: haha yeah... the time stamps might've helped..
[23:15] <eviljames> agentc0re: but otherwise, I'm glad someone caught it
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[23:16] <agentc0re> eviljames: i should've kept them.  oh well.
[23:17] <eviljames> *shrug* it worked either way
[23:17] <eviljames> there was a good 90 minutes of him silently taking it though
[23:17] <agentc0re> ya, there was.
[23:17] <agentc0re> haha
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[23:18] <beatzz> so to make this happen at boot -> "/etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start" I wouldent just do this -> "
[23:18] <beatzz> .....
[23:18] <beatzz> i feel like i know this..
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[23:19] <beatzz> !! GOT IT!!!
[23:19] <antiwire> you need to add rc.wicd to rc.local is it is not already in the stock scripts for you
[23:19] <beatzz> for system prossess you use an init script
[23:20] <beatzz> rc.local???
[23:20] <rworkman> Okay, in the interest of not allowing you to terribly screw up your system...  NO.
[23:20] <beatzz> well i was wronge
[23:21] <rworkman> rc.wicd is already called from /etc/rc.d/rc.M *if* rc.wicd is executable.
[23:21] <antiwire> that's what i said though
[23:21] <rworkman> Therefore, you need to make /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd executable.
[23:21] <antiwire> well with a typo...is/if
[23:21] <rworkman> beatzz: now your assignment is to find out how to do that. :)
[23:21] <beatzz> chmod a+x /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd
[23:21] <beatzz> ?
[23:21] <rworkman> antiwire: Yes, you did, but I wasn't sure it was clear enough.
[23:21] <rworkman> beatzz: indeed
[23:21] <eviljames> or, perhaps u+x
[23:22] <beatzz> so just owner can execute right?
[23:22] <eviljames> i guess there's no harm in a+x
[23:22] <agentc0re> or just +x
[23:22] <eviljames> agentc0re: I like that one best.  it's simple and to the point.
[23:22] <beatzz> as root?
[23:22] <eviljames> yessir.
[23:23] <agentc0re> did you just say yeah sure?
[23:23] <beatzz> ok done
[23:23] <beatzz> so now it will be ran at start up, sweetness.
[23:23] <beatzz> right?
[23:24] <firebird619> yes
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[23:24] <beatzz> nice, so now i must configure my wireless card?
[23:25] <eviljames> are you in x?
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[23:25] <dartmouth> grrr
[23:25] <dartmouth> same friggin error
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[23:25] <beatzz> yes
[23:25] <eviljames> beatzz: run wicd-client
[23:25] <beatzz> in a terminal?
[23:26] <eviljames> (i'm assuming that you've already run /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start)
[23:26] <eviljames> or press alt-f2 and run it there.
[23:26] <beatzz> correct
[23:26] <firebird619> eviljames: yes, he did earlier
[23:26] <eviljames> a terminal would let you see debugging / error output though
[23:26] <beatzz> as root?
[23:26] <eviljames> as your user
[23:27] <beatzz> sweet, worked
[23:27] <firebird619> now configure it and be happy. :)
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[23:27] <dissociative> is there a way command to bring down usb power to a device?
[23:28] <beatzz> well now what do i do to it?
[23:28] <dartmouth> init 6 (dont try that) lol
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[23:28] <dissociative> looks like linux doesnt has the driver for this device
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[23:28] <firebird619> beatzz: have you read *anything* about wicd?
[23:29] <beatzz> a little of the man
[23:29] <eviljames> heheh man wcid
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[23:29] <eviljames> err s/wcid/wicd/
[23:29] <agentc0re> dissociative: what device?  what does lsusb say when it's not and is plugged in?
[23:29] <eviljames> beatzz: it's a tool that is supposed to take the pain out of configuring your wifi. (or networks in general)
[23:29] <firebird619> a little? try all. :P
[23:29] <beatzz> its not showing me any networks
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[23:29] <beatzz> i know theres one here
[23:29] <agentc0re> eviljames: add a comma after man and it sounds like you were making a statement.
[23:30] <firebird619> haha
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[23:30] <dissociative> agentc0re: this: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0451:d004 Texas Instruments, Inc
[23:30] <agentc0re> so it does see it
[23:30] <agentc0re> what is it?
[23:30] <dissociative> a crappy cellphone
[23:30] <dissociative> I guess
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[23:30] <eviljames> does it present you with a mass storage  device?
[23:31] <agentc0re> are you trying to mount it as a device?
[23:31] <dissociative> no
[23:31] <dissociative> I just trying to flash/unlock it
[23:31] <eviljames> typically that is done with pretty specific software, no?
[23:31] <dissociative> all that I know is that it has a locosto chip
[23:31] <eviljames> I wouldn't just dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/usb0
[23:31] <beatzz> well i guess getting wicd installed is good enough for tonight
[23:31] <dissociative> eviljames: It seems
[23:31] <beatzz> gtg all
[23:32] <beatzz> thanks for all the patcients and help
[23:32] <eviljames> beatzz: it's coming along, padawan.  you will be jedi soon.
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[23:32] <beatzz> indeed
[23:32] <beatzz> pressue and time
[23:32] <chopp> now read
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[23:32] <firebird619> hey chopp, how's it going? you seen my latest desktop?
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[23:33] <thebigh> TXZ!
[23:33] <thebigh> I don't think slamd64 has it
[23:33] <Dominian> it has support for lzma
[23:33] <firebird619> Hey Dominian.
[23:34] <chopp> firebird619: not so bad, and I don't think so.
[23:34] <Dominian> the transfer to txz hasn't taken place yet.. because -current of slackware JUST released it.
[23:34] <Dominian> hey firebird619
[23:34] <firebird619> chopp: http://imagebin.org/48942
[23:35] <kiraa> hey guys, Im running slackware 11... and I have a USB ethernet adapter, and during boot up, "rc.hotplug" SOMETIMES causes the whole system to freeze... and at the same time I need that to be enabled to detect the USB adapter... is there a way around this problem?
[23:35] <firebird619> Dominian: question. with procmail and using Maildir, for filtering, do I specify to put a mail in cur, new, tmp, or can I just specify inbox/folder_here?
[23:35] <thebigh> I think I'm going to skip Slackware 13
[23:35] <chopp> firebird619: you change wallpapers much? ;)
[23:35] <Dominian> dunno about procmail.. never use it :)
[23:36] <firebird619> chopp: nope, not at all. :P
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[23:36] <firebird619> chopp: Which one did you like best? I'm curious.
[23:36] <firebird619> Dominian: ok, thanks.
[23:37] Action: dartmouth selects EVERY available option in ALSA/OSS
[23:37] <agentc0re> wow my male dog has a 23" neck.
[23:37] <firebird619> Dominian: I was just curious because maildir format makes cur, new, tmp directories, so I was wondering if I have to use them, that's where it put the rest of my mail I converted.
[23:37] <chopp> firebird619: well I think the one with just the musical notes.
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[23:37] <firebird619> chopp: yeah, that's what I was thinking, it just looks nice with that one.
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[23:38] <chopp> firebird619: whatever blows your hair back. :)
[23:38] <firebird619> chopp: I have over 100 styles now from tenner. :P
[23:38] <firebird619> haha, a fan?
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[23:39] <chopp> open road, and a harley is my choice....but hey
[23:39] <firebird619> chopp: I've been working on getting icons added to the menu, gosh does that make it look nice.
[23:39] <chopp> firebird619: I agree.
[23:40] <firebird619> chopp: I did notice with the conky I have, it drags on the system's performance, I may have to go with something more simplistic.
[23:40] <dartmouth> also, does I2C in the kernel provide some kind of backbone for other systems on the mobo in linux?
[23:41] <dartmouth> because i thought it was one of those interfaces that never took off, like firewire
[23:41] <firebird619> agentc0re: what kind of dog?
[23:41] <antiwire> what about doing this in the stock Slackware scripts...maybe at the end of rc.M for i in $(ls -1d /etc/rc.d/userjunk/*); do $i; done
[23:41] <antiwire> ok ok i joke i kid!!
[23:42] <firebird619> I keed, I keed. :P
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[23:42] <antiwire> just throw random executables into userjunk
[23:42] <antiwire> lol
[23:42] <antiwire> dartmouth: about i2c, yes it could
[23:42] <antiwire> some sensors are i2c based
[23:42] <agentc0re> firebird619: great dane
[23:47] <firebird619> agentc0re: nice. I'm allergic to dogs & cats.
[23:47] <agentc0re> Ew, that sucks.
[23:47] <firebird619> no kidding.
[23:48] <antiwire> i think he means just allergic to the dander, he can probably still eat them though
[23:48] <firebird619> haha
[23:48] <agentc0re> haha.
[23:48] <firebird619> yes, if you are allergic to dogs or cats, it is the dander (oil secreted from their skin) that you are allergic to. Because of that, there is no such thing as a true hypoallergenic dog or cat.
[23:49] <mmlj4> sure there is
[23:49] <firebird619> mmlj4: oh really?
[23:49] <mmlj4> think hefty bags
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[23:50] <antiwire> firebird619: allerca has actually selectively bred cats that had less dander and over time they have come to cats that won't set off most allergic people
[23:51] <firebird619> antiwire: I bet that would be expensive.
[23:51] <antiwire> they didn't even GM them, just SB
[23:51] <antiwire> yeah they are
[23:51] <antiwire> way expensive
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[23:51] <antiwire> http://www.allerca.com/
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[23:51] <firebird619> antiwire: I'll check out the link, thanks.
[23:52] <mmlj4> most cats make my eyes itch within a few minutes of being around them
[23:52] <jeev> lol hefty bags
[23:52] <antiwire> mmlj4: i'm the same way
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[23:52] <agentc0re> I'll see if i can get a picture of them.
[23:53] <firebird619> antiwire: I just seen on the news tonight a young girl that being around a dog for a extremely short period of time causes anaphylaxis
[23:53] <jeev> i'm allergic to bullshit, that's why i've never run fedora
[23:53] <firebird619> hahahahaha
[23:54] <antiwire> for some people the dander can be just as sesame or peanuts to those types of people
[23:54] <edman007> jeev, i thought ubuntu was the bullshit distro, fedora is the drunk mentally unstable one
[23:54] <jeev> heh, they're all lame, including centos
[23:54] <firebird619> Well, Ubuntu is Big Brown. :P
[23:54] <jeev> i like vanilla yogurt and i like vanilla linux
[23:54] <firebird619> hey edman007
[23:54] <firebird619> how goes it?
[23:54] <edman007> good
[23:54] <edman007> i had two finals today
[23:54] <edman007> and i did pretty good :)
[23:55] <firebird619> edman007: sweet.
[23:55] <firebird619> edman007: just a couple more days left of those right?
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[23:56] <edman007> yea, two finals tomorrow, that is it for the real tests, then it is two reports on friday and a presentation, both group things (though..i'm doing more than my share :/)
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[23:56] <firebird619> edman007: group members aren't helping? :D
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[23:57] <antiwire> I've had group work where i ended up turning in the paper with just my name on it
[23:57] <antiwire> fsck them
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[23:57] <edman007> no...not really..one the person just can't code, and its a CS grad class (and i'm an undergrad ECE!!!)
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[23:58] <edman007> and the other class, well, they are really into the whole half-ass is too much work thing...
[23:58] <firebird619> that sucks.
[23:59] <edman007> yea...well on the plus side, i'm better than the groups in most of those classes (the grad CS class has a few people that know what is going on)
[23:59] <edman007> alright, well time to make AES work on my stuff, lol
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