[00:00] hoobop: I tried centos a few months ago on the lab computer.. I made it 2 weeks before getting totally sick of it and installing slack.. but I think I'm somewhat high maintenance :) [00:00] assuming your ram doesn't get any worse, you could run with faulty ram with no problems [00:00] centos is RHE, iirc [00:00] it work well until i upgrade slackware-current version [00:00] yep, RHEL [00:00] lab computer? you mean you inflicted centos on unsuspecting students? [00:01] lol [00:01] i don't want to do it everytime, how did i solve the problem [00:01] Urchlay: the other students are afraid of linux.. they haven't touched 'frankie' [00:02] redxj -- it worked before the upgrade? [00:02] yes [00:02] frankenstein, frank & beans, or frank 'n' furter? [00:02] did you have any conf files that you changed prior to the upgrade? [00:02] Urchlay: frankenstein, since it was ordered in parts from newegg and assembled [00:03] sometime it works, but sometime doesn't, it make confused [00:03] (heh, install rocky horror desktop theme, bet they get uncomfortable being in the same room while you use it) [00:03] ^^ redxj needs a hand here (and i'm not the one to do it) [00:04] Urchlay: hrm, maybe some, but not others. also, I think I make some people uncomfortable just by being in the same room as me :P [00:04] eh, properly speaking, newegg parts don't make a frankenstein... you gotta dig up parts of dead computers and bring them back to life [00:04] i had two systems: windows xp and slackware [00:04] hoobop: I would, but honestly I don't know any better, other than it's not fbdev [00:04] i'm "bad advice" as well [00:04] raela: you don't wear deodorant? you have Medusa hair? you have an annoying laugh? everyone has their flaws... [00:04] Urchlay: we're talking non-computer people, though. (well, my adviser is awesome).. the other computers were all from dell [00:05] Urchlay: I constantly look drugged or pissed off.. and have an interesting sort of humor, apparently [00:05] is it the kind where people get offended before they figure out you were joking? [00:06] sometimes, plus I can say a joke with a completely serious look on my face. I'm just.. special. the lab tech/master's student gets a kick out of it [00:06] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-229.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] redxj: it might not be the best solution.. but.. downgrade and wait for 13.1 maybe? since it might be out soon [00:07] redxj, i agree -- if it was working, stick with it [00:07] unless you're tinkering [00:07] it seems i just could to so [00:08] thanks [00:08] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [00:08] redxj: sorry I can't be of more help [00:08] redxj: also, you might try to report it as a bug... if you're willing to help track down the cause [00:08] good advice, actually; i'm still on 11 on this box, just because i've got it running "just so" [00:09] (whatever's causing it, might affect others as well. If nobody complains about -current being broken for them, odds are 13.1 will still be broken for them when it's released) [00:09] cause -current is supposed to be 13.1 beta 1 now [00:10] hoobop: the jump from 12.2 to 13.0 had a few issues with me, but it's good now - best part - I couldn't get direct rendering on the new laptop working from the time I got it august 2008 until december 2009 when I upgraded to 13.0 :P [00:10] it would be helpful to all if you did track it down before reverting to the previous setup, redxj [00:10] raela: had same problem. mach64 chipset (ugh), driver only exists in dri cvs, for a while it wouldn't compile [00:11] yes, i'll do [00:11] raela, i'm still running 12 on my laptop -- i looked at 13 and i wasn't sure it was where i wanted to go just yet [00:11] the mach64 "accelerated" 3d isn't fast enough to do much, but at least I can play Doom II [00:11] how did i track it and report it [00:11] Urchlay: ati drivers were giving me some issues and opensource drivers wouldn't work.. fought with it several times and finally decided I didn't care anymore [00:12] redxj, that's the thing [00:12] you have to be able to describe it; it needs to be something that can be duplicated [00:12] redxj: look on the slackware.com site, there ought to be an email address for you to report bugs to (or anyway there's a contact email) [00:12] anyone know how i could play stuff directly to a monitor from commandline? like play a movie on a screen that isn't running or X, or how do i start X without a mouse/keyboard and control it via VNC etc? [00:12] ryan186 (~ryan@99.72.178.183) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:12] oh, another problem with the jump from 12.2 -> 13.0.. my brother decided that since I had a 64-bit cpu, I should use a 64-bit os.. that lasted a month [00:12] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:13] raela: lol [00:13] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:13] acidchild: mplayer can play movies on the linux framebuffer, but performance ain't great (might lag or skip) [00:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:13] gospch (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [00:14] mplayer -vo fbdev blah.avi # or try fbdev2 instead, I dunno the difference [00:14] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:14] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] or get svgalib working if it'll work on your video card, and use -vo svga [00:14] yeah, i just have a box with my HDTV plugged in, no spare mouse or keyboard, there must be away of controling the output over the network. [00:15] ssh? [00:15] get a wiimote and a bluetooth adaptor, rnu cwiid, set mplayer up to use joystick controls [00:15] i dont mind using my desktop to control it :-) its right next to it. [00:15] (I used to do exactly that for a long time, until I moved to a place where there's no room for my TV) [00:15] no fancy pancy webgui app out there? [00:16] mythtv or something? [00:16] I need to list my tv+tv stand on craigslist sometime soon, heh [00:16] grr, there's an app whose name I forget, that you use to control 2 X sessions (possibly on 2 machines) with one keyboard+mouse [00:16] synergy [00:16] yeah, that [00:16] synergy might do exactly what you need [00:16] is there away of just starting X with VNC? [00:16] and use VNC.. [00:16] mkay [00:18] you mean, starting a real X session that really displays on your video card, and also is available as a VNC session? there used to be an app called x0rfb that would do that, but last time I looked for it I couldn't find it (or it wouldn't compile/run or something, been a while now) [00:18] gospch (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:18] Or freenx [00:18] there is x11vnc which does this too. [00:18] i can access the physical X server with freeNX? [00:18] freenx? thought NX was a non-VNC-compatible proprietary protocol? [00:18] Um, yeah x11vnc! [00:19] freenx works pretty well, dont think it will work in my case though. [00:19] http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ [00:19] I use freenx remotely on headless servers [00:19] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/x11vnc/ [00:20] ah, x11vnc replaces the thing I was talking about: "I wrote x11vnc back in 2002 because x0rfbserver was basically impossible to build on Solaris and had poor performance." [00:23] gospch (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [00:26] Nick change: oobe -> Schloompy [00:28] gospch (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:30] um synergy seems interesting, lol how do i start X from SSH? export some setting? ;x [00:30] oh, funky [00:30] Action: alphageek is reading up on x11vnc [00:30] gospch (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [00:30] that's _exactly_ what I need for a particular task. thanks folks :) [00:32] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [00:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:35] gospch (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:41] Is it possible to start X from SSH? everything google shows me is related to tunnel X ;/ [00:42] X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting [00:42] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:45] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:45] Ah /etx/X11/Xwrapper.config btw if anyone cares! [00:48] gospch (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [00:48] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] my wireless card can't find any wireless network [00:48] when did this become ##debian? :) [00:49] the card works [00:49] iwlist wlan0 scan ? [00:49] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:50] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] i use wicd, it tell me that can't find any wireless network [00:53] did you try my command yet? [00:54] "iwlist" can't find the command [00:54] sounds like a partial slackware install [00:55] yes [00:55] do you not have wireless-tools installed? if so, install. [00:56] what, i don't understand [00:56] helping to troubleshoot a person's incomplete slackware install is time consuming. if you are not good enough, i recommend not doing partial installs. [00:57] where do i could get the tool [00:58] redxj, run iwconfig and tell everyone what you see [00:58] but don't post in channel (i always forget that part) [01:00] i don't have the "iwconfig" command [01:00] redxj:Did you run that command as root? [01:00] yes [01:00] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Did you do a full install? [01:02] no, i install what i need [01:02] but not good enough [01:03] unfortunately, that's not the case [01:03] redxj, try a full install [01:03] do you know which package provide the tool, hoobop [01:04] you'll drive yourself and everyone else crazy trying to guess what's there and what's not [01:04] see mancha's comment, above [01:05] redxj, btw, why didn't you go with a full install? [01:05] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:05] i know, but i don't use too disk [01:06] i know, but i don't want to use too disk [01:08] the package you're looking for (among others, likely) is n/wireless-tools [01:08] as noted by mancha earlier [01:09] Action: alphageek will _not_ help debug problems with partial installs. if you're smart enough to pick & choose packages, you're smart enough to figure out what goes wrong when things you need are missing [01:09] Action: rworkman echoes alphageek [01:10] motion carries [01:10] Action: eviljames bangs gavel [01:10] redxj, that's the second and third ( and now fourth) time you've gotten the same response; everyone is going to help you fix a dinked install, no one can guess what you've included or excluded on a partial [01:11] "iwlist wlan0 scan" works now [01:13] Action: BP{k} votes for alphageek [01:13] I second [01:13] \o/ [01:13] can't be a bigger funhouse than the UK Elections ;) [01:14] ha [01:14] the elections turned out odd [01:15] understatement. ;) [01:16] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:18] Nick change: Schloompy -> oobe [01:19] file is the output of the "iwlist wlan0 scan" hoobop [01:19] hang on [01:19] sorry... i was away [01:20] FDCX (0@188.25.146.72) joined ##slackware. [01:20] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:20] FDCX kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [01:20] so there, dammit [01:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:21] ryan186 (~ryan@99.72.178.183) joined ##slackware. [01:21] redxj, i've got my irc client set up so it doesn't accept anything other than large sums of money or ferraris [01:21] so i'm not getting that iwlist [01:21] Man...having drivers for the video card makes everything ALOT smoother looking. [01:21] but that's not the point [01:22] the point is, all of this will probably take a lot less time if you download and burn disk 2 and start over [01:22] and do a full install [01:22] unless you're strapped for space [01:23] I have been trying to receive files in irc, but xchat keeps saying the directory (the download one) is unavailable. I keep re-pathing to it, but it keeps doing the same thing. Anyone have any ideas? [01:23] preferences? [01:23] you can set it up to go anywhere you want [01:23] been there have it set correctly [01:24] I have tried to set it up in more than one location it gives me the same error no matter what [01:24] That it cannot find the directory or the directory does not exist [01:24] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [01:25] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [01:26] ryan186 dir permissions? use /tmp/irc in the mean time [01:26] ok I will see if that works one second [01:27] yea I am not sure about permissions [01:27] ryan186 be sure that /tmp isnt cleaned!!! [01:27] ok [01:27] at boot time [01:27] I just dumped vista, and all windows products as of 5 days ago [01:27] and picked Slackware as my first distro [01:27] and if it's a memfs, change to real disk dir [01:27] ok [01:27] oh you're a nob? [01:27] Yea [01:27] lol [01:27] ok [01:28] umm [01:28] I have been able to full install, setup the gfx card, get wireless working [01:28] ok [01:28] still playing with wicd to get it to work with wep tho [01:28] I have slackware 13 running XFCE [01:28] might just be the ap giving you issues [01:28] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:28] the other option is try using hex instead of a phrase [01:29] and there are 2 wep hex key lenghts, so try both [01:29] yea I will give that a shot it just one of those crappy 2Wire at&t dsl router/modems [01:29] sounds about right [01:29] so I can connect to unsecured Ap's, but right now I am hard wired [01:30] When I first got wicd off the 13 iso...it was the messed up version that was fun [01:30] had to go find the newer version on the internet and make the quick fix [01:30] wouldnt pull a freaking ip [01:30] Now my other side project is getting Google-Chrome to work [01:31] but I have that one library that everyone it seems has trouble with [01:31] and I am trying to make sym links to it [01:31] but none of them work [01:32] SunTzu how do I go about changing that boot time setting [01:33] and how do I make sure tmp isn't cleaned? [01:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:37] you need to read the slack book mentioned in the topic here [01:37] ok [01:38] I have that bookmarked [01:38] k [01:38] I found it before hand did quite a bit of research before i dived in [01:38] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:38] I just got impatient and plainly very tired of Bill Gates garbage he calls an operating system [01:38] good; growth. [01:38] So I just dived in [01:39] Lol when your done...your done [01:39] lol [01:39] Have to say even though I spent nearly 5 hours trying to get a gfx driver updated [01:39] lol it still feels way worth it [01:39] k [01:42] As far as google-chrome: bash-3.1# google-chrome [01:42] /usr/bin/google-chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so.1d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [01:42] I have spent alot of time on that library file, and cannot find a solution to it [01:42] Everything from downloading mozilla links to the slackbuild to symlinks and the above. [01:43] type this as root; find lib -name libnss* [01:43] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.65.148) joined ##slackware. [01:43] not mozilla links....mozilla-nss [01:43] oops [01:43] type this as root; find /lib /usr/lib -name libnss* [01:43] bash-3.1# find /lib /usr/lib -name libnss* [01:43] /usr/lib/libnss3.so [01:43] /usr/lib/libnssdbm3.so [01:43] Channel flood from ryan186 -- kicking [01:43] /usr/lib/libnssutil3.so [01:43] /usr/lib/libnss3.so1d [01:43] ryan186 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:44] ryan186 (~ryan@99.72.178.183) joined ##slackware. [01:44] opps [01:44] heh [01:44] wont do that again [01:44] lol [01:44] Man [01:44] there seems to be a dot missing in those names [01:44] so1d [01:44] Why does my machine have different resolutions in xfce and kde? [01:44] I have missed it, but.. which flavour of slack? bitness & version [01:44] ^ ryan186 [01:45] Slackware 13 64 bit [01:45] xfce's got it right, but when I use kde apps the font's too small. [01:45] ryan186 type this; ldd `which google-chrome` [01:45] dont show result here [01:45] ldd: ./which google-chrome: No such file or directory [01:46] I see 3 copies of libnss3.so [01:46] can I ask a lame question here? [01:46] ryan the ` and ` are back quotes [01:46] SmartOne we cant give permission [01:46] :) [01:46] /usr/lib64/{firefox,seamonkey,thunderbird}-*/libnss3.so [01:46] back quotes...where do you get those [01:46] Action: SmartOne :( too restricted permissions [01:46] lol [01:46] ooo [01:46] i see them [01:47] under the esc key [01:47] ` here [01:47] not a dynamic executable [01:47] ok [01:47] do, ls -l /usr/bin/google-chrome [01:48] and paste one line here [01:48] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 2010-05-10 15:08 /usr/bin/google-chrome -> /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome [01:48] do, ls -l /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome [01:49] paste one line [01:49] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 922 2010-05-05 06:02 /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome [01:49] k [01:49] do, ldd /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome [01:50] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [01:50] no result [01:50] no pasting [01:50] done [01:50] too small to be anything but a script [01:50] paste errors manually [01:50] one per line [01:50] it just says the same thing...nondynamic executable [01:50] ah [01:51] file /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome [01:51] not a dynamic executable* [01:51] ok [01:51] this is slackware? [01:51] you installed google chrome? [01:51] yep [01:51] Action: alphageek steps back & continues digging through other things [01:51] from slackbuilds [01:51] ok [01:51] /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome: Bourne-Again shell script text executable [01:51] ok [01:52] Why is something majorly messed up? [01:53] duno [01:53] but you're a one day old linux nob :) [01:53] this is what you did [01:53] Action: SmartOne teksavvy isp sucks [01:53] Hah yea... can't learn everything in a few days [01:53] read the slack book [01:53] take a break [01:54] SmartOne? [01:54] Yea that is what I am doing right now. Is python a language that goes well with linux? [01:54] yes [01:54] yes [01:54] Good. Its so easy to code in that. [01:54] 'C' programming language moved up because of python [01:55] I am going to have to re-teach myself C++ because when I learned it in school it was in the .net environment [01:55] What do you mean moved up? As in became more useful? [01:55] ryan186: C++ C98 and the C++/CLI are completely two different specifications. [01:56] Egh... [01:56] lol [01:56] o well [01:56] I am going to wait on that anyway going to hit the 3 p's first. Python, Perl, and PHP [01:56] then I will do C++ [01:57] .Net C++ means C++/CLI it's outside the C++ specification.such as smart pointers and garbage collection are additions for CLI specification. [01:57] Yea. I have quite a bit to learn [01:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B/CLI [01:58] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:58] are you are stud [01:58] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [01:58] ent? [01:58] yes I am. [01:58] ok [01:58] then you have time [01:59] but no money to buy windows operating system so I stick with QT, Xlib and GTK+ [01:59] should the readme included with the slackbuild be placed in /usr/doc/? [01:59] erm.. /usr/doc/$PRGNAM-$VERSION/ [02:00] Yea it was in there I believe. [02:00] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] umm.. are you answering me? [02:01] if u were talking to me :-D [02:01] lol [02:01] no [02:01] ok [02:13] woot [02:13] x11vnc rocks :) [02:15] :3 [02:15] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [02:15] just experimenting with simple connections to the netbook right now. very nice [02:16] its not laggy ? [02:17] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:19] this is on the local lan over G wireless. even so, it's only a tiny bit laggy [02:20] later I'll be fiddling with a box that's overseas. we'll find out just how well things work then :) [02:20] cool :-) [02:20] haha [02:21] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.18.100.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:24] Welp im outta here for now... Thanks for the help! [02:24] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [02:24] ryan186 (~ryan@99.72.178.183) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:26] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:27] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [02:27] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. 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[02:44] njathan (~cb734fbe@gateway/web/freenode/x-rchfkqfklaognfcc) joined ##slackware. [02:45] can someone confirm whats the kernel version thats bundled in slackware 13.0 available for download currently? [02:46] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] 2.6.29.6 [02:46] thanks alphageek [02:47] something to note: [02:47] slackware/a/kernel-modules-smp-2.6.29.6_smp-i686-2.txz [02:47] ^ old [02:47] patches/packages/linux-2.6.29.6-3/kernel-modules-smp-2.6.29.6_smp-i686-3.txz [02:47] ^ new [02:47] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-229.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:48] as well as the companion files for same (source, huge, generic, etc) [02:48] alphageek: oh actually i am looking for an old kernel... apparantly whatever i do, my BCM4312 does not work with 2.6.33 or 2.6.32 [02:49] SmartOne_ (~chatzilla@112.135.10.117) joined ##slackware. [02:49] there is a 2.6.30 in testing/ [02:49] 2.6.30.5 [02:49] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:49] blargh [02:50] njathan: ahh. well, if you do go for the pre-built 2.6.29.6, use the one in patches/packages/. it's a security update [02:51] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.12.94) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:51] Nick change: SmartOne_ -> SmartOne [02:52] is possible I might actually be getting paid to build someone a custom slack install disc [02:52] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:52] neat trick, that [02:52] easy work! [02:52] roll the patches into it, plus 4 or 5 of his own packages [02:52] yah [02:53] njathan (~cb734fbe@gateway/web/freenode/x-rchfkqfklaognfcc) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:53] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:53] so why the "blargh" Urchlay ? [02:54] I almost hate to take his money though, for what he's actually doing, he just needs to dd or tar up his prototype system and dump it onto the drives of the production ones, when it's ready [02:54] oh [02:54] hehe yeah [02:54] I can't imagine pumping out a few thousand units using an install CD [02:54] maybe a 100% automated install CD, you pop it in, boot, wait 10-15 minutes, and everything's exactly how you want it [02:55] but when someone manufactures embedded stuff (like those routers that internally run linux from a flash device), I bet they send off the flash image to the company who makes the flash drives, and get them to duplicate it [02:55] no? [02:56] yeah [02:56] or you can buy a flash duplicator for ~$5,000 and flash 50 chips at a time [02:57] yah, that's probably more what they'd want to do [02:57] were I doing duplicate installs, I'd likely install 1 machine, tweak it enough to get the essentials working, dd/tar/rsync/whatever the result to a thumb drive of appropriate size, then use the usb installer + stuff to shove things on the other machines [02:57] so I dunno what he'd actually do with a custom install CD [02:58] alphageek: yah, I've done that before. Also done a custom boot floppy that mounts an nfs partition with the auto-partitioner + installer as its root fs [02:58] nice [02:58] plug in ethernet cable, insert floppy (this was back when floppies were universal), boot, wait 30 minutes, and machine's ready to go [02:58] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [02:59] except if you wanted to, you could manually override the autopartitioner's choices [03:00] alphageek: that'll work but it doesn't scale. If you're shipping 300 / month (10 / day) you would hire someone just to flash drives. [03:01] I dunno whether this company's going to operate its own assembly line or outsource the actual putting-stuff-together part [03:02] but "insert flash drive, turn on machine, wait 10 minutes" could be an assembly line step [03:04] eviljames: t'was top of my head [03:04] were it to be something to do umpteen zillion machines, I'd use PXE [03:04] with a suitably beefy server [03:05] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:07] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:08] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [03:08] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.65.148) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:10] dexter_ (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [03:12] anyone else get this when opening man pages.. /usr/share/groff/1.20.1/tmac/doc.tmac:3375: bad character definition? [03:12] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:12] yeah, but only for certain man pages [03:12] the only one I can think of right now that does it, is scp [03:12] it happened with `man telnet` [03:13] hmm, ya I see it with scp but it's only up for a split second [03:13] yep, here too (I just haven't read that page in forever) [03:13] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:13] try 'MANPAGER=cat man scp', then scroll up [03:14] eh, or: MANPAGER=cat man scp > /dev/null [03:14] (you don't see the man page, just the error, for that one) [03:15] hrmm, no errors here [03:15] and I'm betting the bad character in question is the whatever-it-is that's showing up here as a dotted box, surrounding the email address in the AUTHORS section [03:15] mancha: that's on slackware64 13.0 [03:15] hrmm. interesting. [03:16] tried with LANG=US_us.UTF-8 and plain en_US [03:16] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:16] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:16] er, en_US.UTF-8 [03:16] urkel!!! [03:16] that guy's not related to me, dude [03:16] Action: SunTzu changes the chan.tv to watch Urkel [03:17] where [c][h] ~= [k], it is :) [03:17] line 3375 of doc.tmac says: .char \- \N'45' [03:17] and church is derived from scottish kirk [03:17] fredoslack (~fredoslac@80.10.46.95) joined ##slackware. [03:17] not being an expert on roff markup, I can't really tell what's bad about it [03:17] hyke (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:17] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:18] Urchlay i'm staring at the \N portion of your diatribe :) [03:18] if that's sposed to be a unicode char, then it should be \u [03:18] else \N is a roff command? [03:18] I dunno [03:18] but no, the line after it (that doesn [03:19] 't cause an error) looks like: .char - \N'45' [03:19] k [03:19] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [03:19] Nick change: fredoslack -> root [03:19] \N'nn' seems to mean "character with code nn" in rofflish [03:19] k [03:19] (roffanese? I dunno) [03:19] maybe it's the ''? [03:20] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [03:20] root (~fredoslac@80.10.46.95) left irc: Client Quit [03:20] rofflism [03:20] roffism [03:20] the 2 lines are identical except one's got a plain - and the other's got \- [03:20] rm the 1st \- -> - [03:20] the \\ [03:20] also, 45 decimal is the ASCII code for a hyphen [03:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:20] k [03:21] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [03:21] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:21] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-207.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:21] i know that the \- is an escapage for roff [03:21] I think those lines just mean (in english) that wherever "-" or "\-" appears in the input, it should output a regular hyphen aka "-" [03:21] yea [03:21] it's more than just a custom to esc - [03:22] it's the law. [03:22] yeah, when writing manpages, you're supposed to put \ in front of your -'s, but I dunno why [03:22] heh [03:22] breakage or someth [03:22] line* [03:26] hm. The scp page uses some roff macros that aren't used in a lot of others (.Bk .Bl .Ex, I dunno what these do either) [03:27] roff.7 i think or other name in man7 [03:28] yeah, I really don't think I wanna dive into that right now [03:28] k [03:28] I know just enough roff to write simple/stupid man pages, but the macro definitions are a hideous sight to behold [03:29] yea, K&x i forget his letter, made a simple but esoteric langauge for man writing [03:29] in pascal no less [03:30] Nick change: dexter_ -> Dexter [03:30] well not that simple [03:30] right now, the contents of doc.tmac looks like Cthulhu's version of a Latin Mass [03:30] heh [03:30] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.76.103) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:30] which is to say, incomprehensible, but eerie and terrifying [03:30] blaines (~blaines@64-130-243-194.sparkplugbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:30] i still cant pronounce that name nor have any idear of its proper pronounciation [03:30] lol yea [03:31] i say sith-oo-loo (silent 2d h) [03:31] like crotch :) [03:31] if you ever learned to pronounce it properly, you'd summon him forth from the eldritch depths, and he'd probably eat you and make a nice decorative flower bowl from your skull [03:31] heh [03:31] nah [03:32] kuh-too-loo, is how it was pronounced in at least one movie I saw (the C is hard, the Hs are silent) [03:32] k [03:32] TMI and i dont care [/sing-song] [03:32] heh [03:32] but, eh, when has hollywood ever got anything right? [03:33] nods [03:33] i heard a stoopit girl news talker pronounce Tripoli as Tripo-li [03:33] it was wrong [03:33] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:33] and i was pissed and tv.yelling [03:33] but if I were a writer of fanfic (I'm not) and had an overactive imagination (I might), I'd use your pronunciation and tie it to the sith lords in star wars [03:34] heh [03:34] public domain [03:34] the dark side of the force = sith-oo-loo = sith [03:34] heh [03:34] ty [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.52.170) joined ##slackware. [03:34] _slax0r_ (~fire@proficio-mb-shdsl.amis.net) joined ##slackware. [03:34] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [03:35] I just have XFce installed and wanted to know what groups do I need to be added in to get usb to automout? [03:35] you know you've been coding (c++|java|.net) too long when object.method syntax slips into your english sentences [03:35] lol oh yea [03:35] I'm in hal and plugdev at the moment [03:35] <_slax0r_> hi, does rp-pppoe start /etc/ppp/pppoe-up script automaticaly if it exists, or do I need to alter the configuration in some way? [03:35] Xgates chk output from id [03:35] (but then you know you've been coding perl too long when regexes slip into your english, mea culpa) [03:36] heh [03:36] SunTzu: how? my cmds are rusty [03:36] as user you want to access dev, run `id` [03:36] what ya mean run id? [03:36] at a shell prompt [03:36] Xgates, that should be it [03:37] uid=1000(sar) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),93(scanner) [03:37] don't see you in hal nor plugdev [03:37] you said you were in plugdev. lir. [03:37] liar* [03:37] hmm I added myself to hal and plugdev, well I just logged out and back in, didn't think I needed to reboot [03:37] if you added yourself to a group, you have to log out & back in (your current session was started before you were in those groups...) [03:38] you don't have to reboot [03:38] don't lie to us, we have ways of making talk. urch, get the batteries and the cables please. [03:38] yeah I did log out and in [03:38] you just need to logout [03:38] hmm [03:38] I did that.. [03:38] close X, and logout of the console that started X [03:38] clock and batteries [03:38] be sure to connct them properly [03:39] SunTzu: I had a clock that would only tick, so I yelled at it: "Ve haff vays of making you tock!" [03:39] lol [03:39] so I only need to be in hal and pludev? [03:39] hal's not needed,iirc [03:39] k [03:39] Urchlay i'm gettin a need to view hogonoes heronas [03:39] so just plugdev is all? [03:39] hm, didn't they make a movie remake of it? [03:39] blaines (~blaines@64-130-243-194.sparkplugbb.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] yes Xgates [03:40] no; !afaik (there's that geekism agin) [03:40] ok thanks [03:40] let me try again [03:40] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [03:41] Urchlay i've also been watching Black Sheep; it's still a good series [03:41] SunTzu: we're lightweights. I know a guy who recompiled xterm with unicode support (back before it became standard) and installed a Klingon font so he could read Shakespeare in the native Klingon... [03:41] lol [03:42] i got a boustrophon src pkg; i wanna try it [03:42] not ever seen black sheep [03:42] on youtube [03:42] /black sheep squadron/ [03:43] I know what "boustrophon" actually means, but if I didn't, I'd think it was the greek term for some body part or function that has a more common anglo-saxon monosyllabalic name... [03:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:43] troo bidi text per line [03:44] yeah [03:44] I once had compiled some version of wine on slamd64 10.2, and it did *nothing* (you'd run it, it'd exit immediately, strace showed it opening no files or allocating memory or anything, just execing and exiting immediately) [03:45] that's what it should do [03:45] void wine(void) {; } [03:45] and some wine dev in #wine insisted that I recompile with *all* the optional dependencies before he'd even listen to my bug report [03:45] heh [03:45] including some bidi lib [03:45] lol [03:45] : wine ; [03:45] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [03:45] (forth equiv) [03:46] and libgphoto2, even though I own no cameras [03:46] heh [03:46] i hope you smacked his IP [03:46] Vinita just said a stoopit thing [03:46] I finally figured out the trouble from single-stepping it in gdb [03:47] what? [03:47] I had compiled it 32-bit (since windows apps I wanted to run are all 32-bit) [03:47] somehow it picked up the 64-bit [03:47] k [03:47] it so happens that the #defined value for the write() syscall on 32-bit, is equal to the value for _exit() on 64-bit [03:48] lol oops [03:48] the very first thing it tried to do on startup, was write something to either stdout or sterr [03:48] thats ironic [03:49] which of course made it exit immediately... it ran about 10 asm instructions after the libc startup boilerplate code [03:49] yea [03:50] no idea why the kernel devs picked a completely different set of syscall numbers for different arches, they're just arbitrarily chosen integers, and there are nowhere near enough to where 32-bit vs. 64-bit would matter, as far as the range goes [03:50] they need to be floggd [03:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Action: Urchlay mutters something about gift horses and mouths [03:52] not like I pay those guys to do things my way [03:52] no gifting if you go off the plantation [03:52] still violates the principle of least surprise though [03:52] exactly [03:52] untaoish [03:53] dont throw gifts at a horses mouth in a glass house [03:53] how's tao supposed to be pronounced? like "dow"? [03:53] yea [03:53] SiegeX heh [03:53] first syll of tower [03:53] tao jones industrial avg. [03:53] oor [td]ao [03:53] like bartilona [03:53] eh, I pronounce "tower" with a T at the start though... [03:53] loma [03:54] heh [03:54] so it's half T and half D? [03:54] barcelona [03:54] t for me [03:54] I like the way David Tennant pronounces "barcelona" [03:54] or barka lounger [03:54] heh [03:54] british, baaaah-celona, with slight lip-pop on the B [03:54] heh [03:55] ronkonkoma (L. Isl) is fun to mispronounce [03:55] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:55] i'd like to hear that in cockney, geico gecko style [03:55] the jewish natives say `ron kahn kuh ma' [03:55] it's one of those like spanish embarasado (embarrassed) vs. embarasada (pregnant)? [03:55] but the indians say `ron cahn coma' [03:55] lol [03:56] (actually, the fact that those 2 words in spanish are so closely related probably has some kinda freudian implications for the medieval spanish people...) [03:56] everything someone says ron kon cuhma, an indian spins in his grave [03:56] lol [03:56] yea on the slip [03:56] my spanish teacher was very touchy feely and we'd always say 'no me molestes!' [03:57] heh [03:57] Ron Khan Coma, famous science fiction author, will be the Guest of Honor at this year's convention... [03:57] was she standardly curved? [03:58] my spanish teacher in 10th grade was a washed-out english teacher with early stages of alzheimers + one year to mandatory retirement [03:59] wow [03:59] she pronounced everything with a thick south georgia drawl [03:59] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:59] my fifth? grade spanish teacher was a serious hottie [03:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:59] LONG dark hair and quite the body. [03:59] hab-blow youstead esspanol? [03:59] nice [04:00] but i like messing with language [04:00] habalabandos usteadamonte engrlish [04:00] heh [04:00] yeah, the only phrase I know in French, "parlez vous Francais?", I pronounce so it rhymes with "crankcase" [04:00] heh [04:00] and grasy ass [04:01] i say "escuse" instead of excuse me in day to day conversation [04:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [04:01] and when i need to squeeze by a woman in some aisle, i say `squeeze me' [04:01] lol [04:01] the spanish teacher flunked me because she couldn't read/comprehend the language at all. My translations didn't always match the answers in the back of her book word-for-word and with exactly the same punctuation [04:01] rofl [04:01] nods [04:02] i'm waiting for some woman to actually squeeze me [04:02] I wasn't the only one who should have passed but failed that year [04:02] i do say it loud enouf [04:02] people hear what they expect to hear [04:02] troo [04:03] I once saw a guy win a $20 bet that way... we worked at a pizza delivery place, he bet me $20 he could answer the phone with "Fuck you for calling Little Caesar's, may I take your order?" every time it rang that night, and get away with it [04:03] i'm fascinated by langauge, spoken and writ; i wanna learn em all, or atleast meta-learn [04:03] lol [04:04] (he spoke really fast, and with a clipped northern-sounding accent, not a single customer caught it, I gave him the $20..) [04:04] nods [04:04] so not one plaint? [04:04] nary a one [04:04] k [04:04] probably a couple people thought to themselves "did he really just say... nah, couldn't be" [04:04] lol [04:06] the strangest thing i hear regularly is when i ask a stranger if "you wanna laf?" [04:06] and they say "no" [04:06] i'm always dumb-founded by that [04:06] the absolute weirdest language-related thing lately for me... I met a woman who had a stroke a couple years ago. She can talk, but she can't use verbs [04:06] wow [04:06] I store yesterday [04:06] now that's an interesting construction [04:07] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:07] pointing at the stage: He guitar good [04:07] you focus on store, but its really "yesterday" that shes' working on [04:07] or maybe "he good guitar" [04:07] wow. i wonder what the hell nukes verbs and no other parts of the langyage [04:08] well, a stroke kills part of the brain, I wouldn't have believed there's a specific part of the brain that does verbs and nothing else, but... [04:08] mancha i think it's a spiritual matter given my comprehension of such things [04:08] yeah that's what suprises me, that there's a "verb section" [04:08] she can do stuff like drive, dance (not well, but better than me and I haven't had a stroke) [04:09] maybe you had a stroke in the womb? [04:09] o_o [04:09] eh, no, I just have a crappy sense of balance [04:09] if I don't move my feet I'm OK [04:09] heh [04:09] you never know...people i bet have mini strokes all the time and never realize it [04:09] probably so [04:10] slava_dp|phone (~slava_dp|@94.153.213.51) joined ##slackware. [04:10] especially when you live on a diet of big macs and biggie fries [04:10] ew [04:10] a stroke in the womb may not matter much, the brain cells can still reproduce & rearrange themselves at that point [04:10] latemus (1000@c-67-186-209-166.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:11] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [04:11] I dunno if this is strictly true, but I kinda think the brain's not done wiring itself up until you're maybe 8 or 10 years old (or even older) [04:11] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:12] would explain why little kids are so good at learning languages (we all do it at least once, and most of us don't remember doing it) [04:12] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:12] it's certainly more in flux in the early years and the networks are just getting set up [04:12] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:12] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:12] but the brain is always rewiring itself. that is why stroke victims can re-learn things they lose [04:13] yeah... apparently this lady just recently started to be able to move her left arm again [04:13] (the fingers are pretty well uncoordinated, but she can at least wave goodbye with it) [04:14] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.130) joined ##slackware. [04:14] it's quite complex (digit movement) though we take it for granted her brain has a lot of learning to do... [04:14] it's unfortunate that the first time I met her was in a bar, so I just assumed "oh, she's so drunk she can't talk" [04:14] (not sure she actually drinks at all, she was there to see the band play) [04:15] right, i become a stroke victim every friday night too! [04:15] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:15] slurred speech, loss of balance, poor motor skills, and i drop the occassional verb :P [04:15] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] I'm pretty good at understand Drunk English, or people who stutter, or have speech impediments [04:16] s/and/anding/ [04:16] Niccke (~Nick0@ip-122-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] on of the most important things in stokes is the speed with which the stroke sufferer gets medical attention (when it hapens) [04:16] it can determine complete recovery vs lifelong handicap [04:17] dunno the story here, this lady's a friend of a friend, that kinda information's private & none of my business [04:17] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [04:18] but she's doing well enough that she doesn't need help with any of the standard stuff people do on a daily basis (eat, walk, drive, I think she uses a computer at least for email) [04:18] it is deprivation of O2 that kills that part of the brain....the quicker the blood supply is re-established the less chance the tissue dies [04:18] what I'm kinda curious about though is: when she's writing or typing, can she still not use verbs then? [04:19] Urchlay tell her you're sdoing research [04:19] which is troth [04:19] that is interesting. what is the obstacle to the verbs? grammatical construction? recall? speech? [04:19] slava_dp|phone (~slava_dp|@94.153.213.51) left irc: Quit: used jmIrc [04:19] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.100.182.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [04:19] (sort of like those old stories about people who stutter when they talk, but they can sing just fine) [04:19] if the last then she should be able to type verbs...etc [04:20] mancha: no idea. The other thing I'm wondering about is, can she sing a song she knows the words to (or recite a speech she's memorized) [04:20] she *does* seem to understand everything I say, verbs and all [04:21] except of course when I'm babbling & not making sense to anyone else either :) [04:22] first time I talked to her she said something like "my brother... waffle house", and I said "oh, he works there?" and she nods & says yes [04:23] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:23] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-208-111-227-160-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:23] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-208-111-227-160-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] problem [04:25] i have bash script in html, elinks outputs ansi style highlight [04:25] howto undo or rm? [04:27] i think if i had to pick i'd choose speech impariment over muscle movement problems [04:29] mancha: I would too, but then I'm a musician (I could stand to live if I could play but not talk/sing, but I couldn't stand to live if I couldn't play) [04:30] SunTzu: try 'TERM=dumb elinks -dump http://whatever', or else use 'lynx -dump' instead [04:30] (lynx doesn't know how to format tables worth a damn though) [04:30] that sucks.. what would you do if you lost the ability to move your fingers? [04:31] learn harmonica I guess [04:31] didn't biden's son just stroke? [04:31] or play percussion, if I could still use my hands to beat on things [04:31] that's what she said [04:31] SunTzu: what about "links -dump"? [04:32] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:32] Urchlay: and you can always whistle.. ;) [04:33] actually yeah, I'm OK at whistling [04:33] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:34] I got told not to ever whistle at the restaurant, when I was delivering chinese food [04:34] apparently it's bad luck in chinese culture (or at least the subculture these people were from) [04:34] well... whistling can get annoying over time [04:34] morning guys o/ [04:35] naw, I don't do it all the time [04:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:35] although, as the one doing it, it never does [04:36] a moment of surreality: when I was a teenager, living with the parents, they were always hating on the music I liked... once I caught my dad whistling a Black Sabbath song, he had no idea what it was [04:36] ^^ [04:37] SunTzu: any of the lynx/links/elinks suggestions actually work for you? [04:37] yeah.. some melodies get stuck in your head ~_~ [04:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSLRHvrOe6U <-- Urchlay? [04:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [04:38] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:38] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [04:38] SiegeX: haha, no, that probably would have been me if we'd actually had to stand there with a sign [04:40] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [04:40] heh, best sign holder evar [04:40] a 2nd high profile Apple tech leak after years and years of successful secrecy? [04:40] actually he's doing a good job, that'd make me want a pizza [04:40] something sounds fishy... [04:40] in vietnam nonetheless [04:40] s/sounds/seems/ [04:40] hm, Steve Wozniak isn't affiliated with Apple any more, is he? [04:40] hes just a large share holder [04:41] not an employee [04:41] minority stockholder, i thought [04:41] he seems like the kinda guy who couldn't be bothered to keep anything secret [04:41] and he's got reason to get back at Jobs [04:41] could very well be jobs doing, viral marketing type deally [04:42] yeah could be some underhanded marketing [04:42] either that or somebody is getting their iPeen chopped off [04:42] (30ish years ago, when they were teenagers working in a basement, they built the arcade Breakout machine together. Jobs told him they'd get paid $X and each get $X/2, but then jobs got a bonus and didn't tell woz about it, pocketed all the extra money) [04:43] yep, jobs screwed the woz outta cash [04:43] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.100.182.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:44] can't believe woz stuck around after that [04:44] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:44] wonder when he found out (after the apple I? the apple II? the first Mac?) [04:45] maybe the apple III was woz's revenge? (it was a steaming crock...) [04:45] i heard jobs kept $5K and gave the woz $350 [04:45] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.150) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [04:46] something in that ballpark is what I heard, can't remember details at my age [04:46] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.150) joined ##slackware. [04:47] apple seems to always come back from bad years with more power and umph [04:48] metal fuck has nothing on Betty White though --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNL58iSKxQU [04:48] maybe jobs made a faustian deal [04:49] bwahaha [04:50] betty white is sick, and you're sick for posting that, and thank you [04:50] mancha: he went down to the crossroads to make a deal? [04:50] the devil's like "oh, all that other guy wanted was to play the guitar, that was easy, what's up with all this high tech crap?" [04:51] lol [04:52] this right here (ignore the video, no idea where it came from, but listen): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd60nI4sa9A [04:52] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:53] redxj (root@112.84.28.231) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [04:55] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:56] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.61) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:56] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [05:02] latemus (1000@c-67-186-209-166.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:03] alreadygone (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [05:07] is /tmp/servicename.socket the best location to specify for a socket to run, or /var/run/servicename.socket? [05:08] /var/run is better, if the service runs as root [05:08] 'find /var/ -type s' hints that /var/run/ would be more appropriate [05:09] services that run as a non-root user, you might /var/run/servicename/socket where /var/run/servicename is owned by the user the service runs as, and mode 0700 [05:09] sockets in /tmp/ appear to be more for a per-user basis [05:09] oo, good catch [05:10] /tmp is probably your worst choice, but if you really have to use /tmp, do the same thing there: /tmp/servicename/socket (especially if the service needs /tmp for other reasons, you can isolate all its /tmp usage to /tmp/servicename) [05:11] but then you might want /tmp/servicename.$pid in case multiple instances should be able to run... [05:11] yuravk (~yura@194.44.160.178) joined ##slackware. [05:11] is this for a piece of software you're writing from scratch or just compiling/porting to slackware? [05:12] Hi. I'm getting the following error while compiling any software on 13.0 x86_64: [05:13] i see. thanks, all of you :) i'm just compiling lighttpd and php. and learning about sockets [05:13] learning is good [05:13] "/usr/libexec/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/cc1:" [05:13] "error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.1:" [05:14] "cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [05:14] you should install the libmfpr package [05:14] slackware64/l/mpfr-2.3.1-x86_64-1.txz < install that [05:14] (or maybe it's just called mfpr) [05:14] yeah [05:14] i think i need to recompile php without apache specific options. [05:15] Action: alphageek has a custom package index he generates from his personal mirror [05:15] in general if you get errors about missing libFOO, search for packages called libFOO or just FOO, probaably in slackware/l/ on the slack DVD or ftp site [05:15] alphageek: I just have everything installed & use grep [05:16] alphageek gime! :) [05:16] heh [05:16] that's what I love about slackware's package system, you just use the same standard tools you use for everything else (grep, ls, find, ...) [05:16] alphageek: thanks, that's work [05:16] I can give you the script that generates the index, but it requires a full local copy of the tree to do its thing [05:17] i have my own trees thank you very much :) [05:17] $ zgrep libmpfr.so ~/slackware/slackware64-13.0.gz [05:17] slackware64/l/mpfr-2.3.1-x86_64-1.txz usr/lib64/libmpfr.so.1.1.1 [05:17] ^ thusly [05:17] umm [05:17] what? [05:17] may I have some assistance with other question: compile slackware kernel with xen support enabled ? [05:17] hm, how's that better than "grep libmfpr.so /var/log/packages/*", assuming you have everything installed? [05:17] example of searching my custom index [05:17] o [05:17] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] i actually need a wiki stylish typo thing [05:18] faster I guess, it only greps one big file instead of lots of smaller ones [05:18] ``the fs is the database'' [05:18] yuravk: is xen support something that's part of the standard kernel, or is it a patch you apply to the standard kernel source? [05:19] Action: Urchlay don't know from xen [05:19] it is the part of standard linux kernel [05:19] apparently it's not actually called CONFIG_XEN or anything similar [05:19] re: maintaining your own package index and personal mirror - do you just use rsync to mirror? [05:19] latemus: yep [05:20] it might be that whatever support you need, is already present [05:20] cool [05:20] find out what CONFIG_* options you need, and zgrep CONFIG_whatever /proc/config.gz [05:20] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-208-111-227-160-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:20] they're either "not set" (turned off), or =Y (turned on), or =M (modular) [05:20] I started the whole 'unofficial mirrors' bit back around slack 8.1 or thereabouts [05:21] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-66-33-241-121-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] if you get no results at all, either you're typing it wrong, or else it requires a patched kernel [05:21] right now I pull for my mirror & directly (& indirectly) feed at least 4 others [05:21] man, I ran slackware 8.0 forever, long after 10.0 came out [05:21] was very happy camper back then [05:23] Urchlay: CONFIG_XEN not exists on /proc/config.gz. I have installed kernel sources package, and going to recompile the kernel [05:23] alphageek: nice. i'm going to try it [05:24] rsync is pretty powerful. that's another way of saying there are N+1 ways of shooting yourself in the foot :) [05:24] when in doubt, remember to use '--dry-run' when experimenting [05:24] Urchlay: but don't know how to turn on (or set CONFIG_XEN=y) ... [05:25] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.73.176) joined ##slackware. [05:29] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:29] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:29] alphageek: thanks for the tip. i haven't used rsync very much yet. [05:30] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:30] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:31] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:32] alphageek: which directory do you mirror from? slackware, slackware-current, or slackware_source? [05:33] I do the toplevel directory with a selection of --include/--exclude [05:33] I mirror directly from Volkerding's computer. [05:33] sample: [05:34] rsync -aHPSvn --include /slackware-13.0 --include /slackware-current --exclude '/*' rsync://server/slackware/ /local/path/to/slackware/ [05:34] wup, missed a couple options. add '--delete' in there [05:34] spice the includes to your taste. as I said, that's just a sample [05:35] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:35] that makes me hungry [05:35] Action: OutBound looks for some food. [05:35] Gargantua: wow, you're privileged [05:36] Yeah, instead of buy slackware like the rest of you. [05:36] ha [05:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [05:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:37] yuravk: generally: cd /usr/src/linux ; zcat /proc/config.gz > .config ; make menuconfig [05:37] now you're in a menu-driven kernel config editor, you can search for whatever with the / key [05:37] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:37] but CONFIG_XEN doesn't exist in the slackware 13.0 kernel [05:38] the following error got while running make menuconfig: [05:38] "scripts/basic/fixdep.c:116:19: error: ctype.h: No such file or directory" [05:39] ok, the answer to your question is "you forgot to install whatever package contains ctype.h" [05:39] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [05:39] HOLY FUCK [05:39] Wikipedia 2.0 [05:39] since you seem to be pretty new, might I suggest you do a full install of all packages, until you learn enough to (a) know which packages you don't need, and (b) find out how to find/install missing packages, when you run into stuff like this [05:40] What's next? Google? Oh wait. [05:40] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Niccke (~Nick0@ip-122-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [05:41] Urchlay: completely agree. I'm not good on Slackware ... [05:41] I'll install full system [05:41] well, you will be, given some time [05:42] good idea [05:42] thanks [05:42] once you've done that, you can find out what files belong to what packages by looking in /var/log/packages [05:43] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:43] I know that, but how can I determine to which package file belong in case package is not installed ... [05:43] you used to be able to use the slackware package browser on the slackware.com site [05:44] think it got broken & stayed broken though (anyone want to chime in with a better site or anything?) [05:46] blaines (~blaines@64-130-243-194.sparkplugbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:50] Urchlay: hope I don't require to install GUI: X11, FDE, etc. to be able compile the kernel ? [05:50] *KDE [05:50] nope [05:50] you can leave out the x, kde, kdei series entirely if you don't plan to use a gui at all [05:51] but the sets you do install, install all of them [05:52] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:54] ok [05:55] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:55] hooh (~nnscript@190.166.188.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:56] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. 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[06:08] Nick change: oobe -> schloompy [06:09] Nick change: schloompy -> oobe [06:09] Nick change: oobe -> floompy [06:09] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.73.176) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:10] Nick change: floompy -> doompy [06:11] succeed with 'make menuconfig' [06:12] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-161-15.bur.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Nick change: doompy -> oobe [06:13] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:16] Morn [06:16] hi [06:16] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [06:17] i'm looking for a linux distro to put on a usb stick. my first choice was slax, it's great but sooner or later it corrupts [06:18] slackware is too big, debian too slow [06:18] slackware can be trimmed [06:18] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.18.100.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:18] i know but seems hard [06:18] unless you have a 128M usb stick and you want KDE, it's not that hard [06:19] if you don't know the inner working of linuxes [06:19] just a matter of knowing what you want on the thumbdrive [06:19] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:19] start with an empty folder on your computer [06:19] KDE? I should use gnome or no gui? [06:20] copy over the program you want to use, and use ldd to see what libraries it wants, then copy them over one by one till you get all of them installed that you need [06:20] that's how you can learn as well [06:20] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [06:20] great! so ldd shows me dependencies? so far i was searching for them in slackbuilds.org [06:21] I even wrote a script many many moons ago to recursively check for missing libs on a program [06:21] ldd /bin/bash and see what your output is [06:23] libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f2705626000) [06:23] what's the hex code? [06:23] that's one entry [06:23] the hex code is where it's located in ram right now [06:23] oh, cool [06:23] I believe - don't quote me on that yet [06:23] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:25] either that or the offset to something in the file - haven't figured that out yet [06:25] Azeotrope: try grml [06:27] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [06:31] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [06:34] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:37] jg71: nice! 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[08:03] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:03] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] snowdonkey (~bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.150) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [08:08] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.150) joined ##slackware. [08:10] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:12] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-161-15.bur.connect.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:19] <_slax0r_> what need's be done to bring sit1 up? sit1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device, am I missing some kernel modules? [08:20] dmesg? [08:21] <_slax0r_> nothing in there regarding this [08:23] modprobe sit? [08:23] Nick change: oobe -> floompy [08:25] <_slax0r_> Zordrak, that's a little too obvious to miss out :) [08:25] <_slax0r_> sit is loaded at boot time, so it doesn't fix it [08:25] <_slax0r_> sit0 is around, but sit1 is not [08:26] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:27] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:28] Nick change: floompy -> oobe [08:28] <_slax0r_> hmm...what happens if I just load up my ipv6 addresses on to eth0 instead of sit1? [08:30] use ip -6 blah... [08:32] ip -6 addr add 2001:LEET:BLAH:.../BLOCK dev sit1 [08:32] the use ip link to bring it up [08:33] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:33] <_slax0r_> I did use ip -6 blah... [08:33] ok, and did you use ip link to bring it up? [08:33] <_slax0r_> here's the output: Object "blah..." is unknown, try "ip help". [08:33] <_slax0r_> kidding [08:33] <_slax0r_> :D [08:33] Channel flood from _slax0r_ -- kicking [08:33] <_slax0r_> it's not working [08:33] _slax0r_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:33] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:33] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:33] _slax0r_ (~fire@proficio-mb-shdsl.amis.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] <_slax0r_> darn, sorry [08:34] pics or it didnt' happen [08:34] <_slax0r_> as long as I name the device sitX it's not working [08:34] <_slax0r_> so I named it sixxs and it works [08:35] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:36] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:38] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-kbluhnrhvokymnna) joined ##slackware. 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[10:33] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [10:34] lem (root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [10:34] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:34] in rc.d there is rc.modules-x.x.x & rc.modules-x-x-x-smp is it necessary to have both these enabled? [10:35] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:35] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:36] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] hey, whats the channel for slackbuilds? [10:36] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [10:37] #slackbuilds [10:38] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:38] ty [10:39] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:41] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:43] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:43] dumpe2fs /dev/sdb [10:43] Bad magic number in super-block [10:43] how can i repair this error? [10:43] superblock backup not found with testdisk [10:44] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:47] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:48] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.1.150.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:53] dvel: first the obvious...you mean /dev/sdbX, not /dev/sdb, right? Or is /dev/sdb an actual FS volume? [10:55] or a cdrom/dvd ? [10:55] file systema table is empty [10:55] *system [10:55] but exists (really) [10:56] what does cfdisk /dev/sdb show as partitions? [10:56] fdisk -l /dev/sdb rather [10:57] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:57] and use a pastebin if it's more than 2 lines [10:57] http://pastebin.com/5DxHSU2n [10:57] spanish, wait [10:58] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [10:58] dvel, that shows that it's a blank disk with no partitions [10:58] the /dev/sdb disk doesn't contain a valid file system table [10:58] or at least none that are recognized by linux [10:58] is a NIS hdd with linux system [10:58] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:58] NIS? not familiar with that partition type [10:59] NAS? [10:59] hmm... i don't know, is a hdd of a buddy :S [11:00] is a hdd with a special software, ftp server, automated... 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[11:09] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [11:10] qwm (~qwm@c83-254-240-208.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [11:10] looking for a rescue/live dist that has networking/sshd... need to find out whether a computer with a potentially broken graphics card is working or not. :< [11:10] so far googling has been quite fruitless. [11:10] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:10] dngr (~dngr@n112118130253.netvigator.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:11] distrowatch? [11:11] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-fgfzekbrzszqjekv) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:11] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rgnjaqgphywlylwq) joined ##slackware. [11:11] advanced option search [11:12] dngr (~dngr@n112118130253.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [11:13] qwm: foogling is gootless ;) [11:14] extra_elvis (~extra_elv@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] juan--d-1-b (~Juan@190.27.146.170) joined ##slackware. [11:14] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [11:15] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:15] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:15] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:15] Nick change: juan--d-1-b -> juan--d-_-b [11:15] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@190.27.146.170) left irc: Changing host [11:15] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [11:16] dvel: thanks, i'll look into it. [11:16] gnubien: my patience is running thin today. i've been dealing with way too much old computer junk. :p [11:16] getting rid of every little thing i've been hoarding. [11:16] qwm: spring cleaning, yea :) [11:17] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:17] heh [11:19] daimyo (~daimyo@c-71-199-10-216.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [11:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-165-24.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:21] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [11:21] qwm: jordgubbe? [11:21] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:21] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [11:23] qwm: try grml [11:24] thanks jg71, i will. :) [11:27] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [11:27] Niccke (~Nick0@ip-122-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:32] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:33] test disk analizer ---> Partition sector doesn't have the endmark 0xAA55 [11:33] repair is possible? [11:35] in rc.d there is rc.modules-x.x.x & rc.modules-x-x-x-smp is it necessary to have both these enabled? [11:40] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:44] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:45] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] dvel: dump the first sector and pastebin. [11:50] how dump the *first*? [11:51] dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 | xxd > file.to.pastebin [11:52] SpacePlod: \o [11:52] jkwood: o/ [11:53] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:53] qwm (~qwm@c83-254-240-208.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:54] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:54] SpacePlod: http://pastebin.com/9W7iwWmZ [11:57] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@213.sub-97-229-13.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:59] dvel: you already wrote to this with testdisk? [11:59] yeah, 10 minutes ago, triying to install mbr [12:00] partitions as same, nothing [12:00] yuravk (yura@194.44.160.178) left ##slackware. [12:00] ...that makes the original problem hard to diagnose. [12:00] :S [12:00] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-66-33-241-121-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:00] 1st rule of recovery: Always work on a copy. [12:01] but anyway...I'm not sure the testdisk write did enough damage to cover the original problem anyway. [12:01] i'm doing now (while testdisk :S) dd if=/dev/sdb of=image.iso [12:02] I wanted to see if there was any indication of prorietary FS or proprietary raid setup, etc. [12:02] shalkie (~shalkie@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:02] Usually if there is, you'll see it in the first sector. [12:02] hmm, ok, now? [12:03] any? [12:03] jemark (~mark@86-44-49-184-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] ne7work (~ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [12:04] hello all :) [12:04] shalkie (~shalkie@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [12:04] slackware good for web server or not? [12:05] slackware is good for _server_ :) [12:05] ? [12:05] ne7work: _great_ for any public-facing server, IMHO [12:05] what you know for ubuntu and web serve?R [12:05] what you know for ubuntu and web server? [12:05] ne7work: what's an unbuntu? [12:05] LOL [12:06] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] ? [12:06] i'm choose one of this two linux distros [12:06] for web server, ftp and ssh [12:06] ? [12:06] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:07] dvel: Diagnosing filesystem issues takes time. I can assure you that you've got the best assistance to be had, though. [12:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:07] dvel: in case there is some sig in there that's not obvious, but has a known magic, can you run: file -s /dev/sdb? [12:08] /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector [12:08] remember (wrote mbr with testdisk) [12:08] bummer. That's b/c you wrote w/testdisk [12:08] ^^right. [12:11] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:12] ne7work: slack=reliable, ubuntu=Canonical support [12:14] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:16] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:20] dvel: let's see if this might have been a standard partition setup before the mbr got whacked (I'm doubtful and just reaching right now): dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 skip=63 | file - [12:22] /dev/stdin: data [12:22] boo [12:22] but expected [12:22] could someone share with me their slackware-current rsync command w/ options? [12:22] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] ...or point me to some slackware-specific documentation? [12:23] rsync -av --delete --log-file=${BASEDIR}/${logfile} --bwlimit=${LIMIT} rsync://${site} ${BASEDIR}/${saveto} [12:23] daimyo: "man rsync"? [12:24] BP{k}: very slackware-specific. ;) [12:24] daimyo: ask and ye shall receive ;) [12:25] :) [12:25] dvel: I know you already scanned with testdisk, but at this point I'm out of obvious ideas without poking around the disk myself. I'd start with some templates from sigfind (in the sleuthkit). If this was a proprietary setup, you may be out of luck anyway. I've had hdd's that were completely unreadable without the original controller. [12:26] in rc.d there is rc.modules-x.x.x & rc.modules-x-x-x-smp is it necessary to have both these enabled? [12:27] the extension is for the kernel mode - if you have an smp 32-bit kernel, it uses the *-smp file for loading modules [12:27] if you don't have an smp kernel running, then it uses the other oe [12:27] one [12:28] since slackware has both kernels available, both rc.modules files are provided [12:28] (for 32-bit kernels) [12:28] hmm, how do i know which I am using? [12:29] SpacePlod: hdd is a linux partitioned disk, initially [12:29] or rather more to the point, would disabling one provide any boot time load benefit? [12:29] rogersman, uname -a [12:29] dvel: how do you know? do you have original partition info? [12:29] ...thanks for your extensive help... [12:29] rogersman, not really, not without messing with the script that calls them [12:30] alisonken1home: ok, just trying at the moment to reduce boot time and was curious about these files, thankx [12:30] no have a original, this is a hmmm... HDD with sharing soft (ftp,...) mounted with linux system [12:30] wait.... [12:30] the main speed boost in boot times is to not check xfontcache and the ldsoconf at every boot [12:31] where are these called from? rc.M ? [12:32] start with the line in /etc/init.d/ labeled si: - the last part of the line (after the last : ) indicates the first script called [12:32] start with that script, then follow through there [12:32] Action: BP{k} really should rewrite his slackware sync script to something resembling decent. [12:32] I'll give you a hint: /etc/rc.d/rc.S [12:33] starts the rest of them [12:33] then, after rc.S finishes, the line "rc:" is run [12:34] SpacePlod: testdisk - default Intel/PC partitioned option ---> http://img340.imageshack.us/i/testdisk.png/ [12:34] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:35] okay, I'll mess about [12:36] make sure you backup any scripts you change :) [12:36] SpacePlod: Non partitioned media option, ---> http://img408.imageshack.us/i/testdisknonpartitionedm.png/ [12:37] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:37] 10'4 [12:37] and keep a handy boot cd/dvd in case something bombs [12:37] SpacePlod: first, it does not find divisions, the second thing, finds divisions but he does not allow to write [12:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-184-111.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:37] and remember which partition holds /etc [12:37] mathesis (~Elive_use@unaffiliated/mathesis) joined ##slackware. [12:37] (voice of experience :) ) [12:38] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:38] SpacePlod: ouch, divisions=partitions [12:39] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [12:39] mathesis (Elive_use@unaffiliated/mathesis) left ##slackware ("poweroff"). [12:39] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:41] I'm guessing a 15 second boot time is being overly optimistic :-p [12:41] heh [12:41] at least for a full-blown slackware install [12:42] yeah, after a week of trying out Kubuntu 10.04 i came running back to slack...but I do miss those boottimes :-) [12:42] that's because *buntu hides the boot screen behind a pretty picture :) [12:43] aye, but poweron to usable desktop was (I timed it) about 16 seconds [12:43] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:44] rogersman: who boots more than once / year anyway? [12:44] well, i use a laptop that i carry about, so..... [12:44] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:44] oh, that reminds me, I have to get suspend to disk working [12:44] or at least think about how it should work :P [12:46] doesn't work to great if your batteries fubared :-p [12:46] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Action: rogersman likes to have his cake and eat it [12:47] Well, then give me the beer.. you can have your cake. [12:48] The cake is a lie. [12:48] Action: alisonken1home accepts cheesecake only [12:49] I had a really good red velvet cheesecake at the cheesecake factory recently [12:49] This isn't any cake, It's M&S cake :-D [12:49] Niccke (~Nick0@ip-122-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [12:49] If I had a choice between cake and beer... and I could only pick one... I'd pick the beer. [12:49] Dominian: alcoholic. [12:50] SmartOne_ (~chatzilla@112.135.56.194) joined ##slackware. [12:50] thumbs: Only when in #postfix [12:50] yeah. [12:50] It wouild dpends on what the beer was for me. [12:50] dvel: sorry i'm at work. keep popping in and out. wait one. [12:51] Dominian: yeah, but one beer wont fill you up and after you'lll want more...where as a whole cake satisfy u nicely ;-) [12:51] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.10.117) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:51] rogersman: one beer is plenty, thank you. [12:52] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:52] rogersman: but beer can actually be healthy for you [12:52] :) [12:52] thumbs: but if you don't get a buzz of one beer, what's the point? [12:52] rogersman: you can.. just slam it. [12:52] :) [12:53] Dominian: screw healthy, dining on wheatgrass and tofu wont make me live forever :-D [12:53] thumbs drinks ZIMA [12:54] Action: rogersman googling zima [12:55] Zima is often portrayed in TV Shows as a "gay" beer or one for effeminate men because of its advertising campaign which cast it as a light beer. [12:55] yuck! alcopop! [12:55] I hate zima... although putting a jolly rancher into it makes it worth while [12:56] jolly rancher lol [12:56] MAssX (~fabio@93-45-114-109.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:58] root beer and hersheys chocolate is my idea of hell ... boggin' :-p [12:58] ew [12:58] ew! [12:58] how the hell you lot can drink that i don't know [12:59] mind you, we do deep fry mars bars and eat haggis...so i can't say too much :-) [13:01] nasty [13:02] hrm [13:02] deep fried mars bar? [13:02] I bet that's good! [13:03] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] haggis on the other hand seems like the worlds worst leftovers [13:03] spam spam spam spam wonderful spam! [13:03] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:04] i think if i smell haggis, i'll make a haggis of my own [13:04] i liked spam as a kid if you sliced and fried it [13:04] now, i can't stand it [13:05] I like spam - but the wife won't allow it in the house [13:05] sounds like a good woman [13:05] according to her it's only for people that can't afford food [13:05] but how'd you trick her into staying around [13:05] actually, its a favorite food in hawaii [13:05] only ate spam before we were married or while she was on a trip [13:06] well its not the finest of foods, but its perfectly edible [13:06] spam is pretty popular in Hawaii, from what I hear [13:07] it goes down easier when fried in butter.... but what doesn't [13:07] yeah after wwII, there were large stock piles left behind and essentially given away [13:07] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [13:08] but spam is just spiced ham [13:14] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. 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[13:37] talking about spam :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickturpin/4601023438/sizes/l/ [13:44] pupit: lol :P [13:44] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:44] The pharmacy's waiting room is outside? [13:48] spam is good :) [13:49] I'm considering presenting on slackware for the Utah Open Source conference. Are there suggestions here for focus points, especially from those who have presented slackware to user groups and conferences in the past. [13:49] i think good is over enthusiastic [13:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] MAssX (~fabio@93-45-114-109.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:52] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:53] sinuhe: connie.slackware.com/~alien/tdose2009/t-dose-slackware.pdf is very good. i dont know if you had something like this in mind [13:53] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [13:53] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [13:53] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:54] its also very recent [13:54] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:55] sahko: That would provide enough for the introduction to Slackware. :) I was also thinking of pointing out differences in Slackware to other distributions, as well as looking at upcoming changes in 13.1. Thanks for the reference. [13:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [13:58] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_fandi [13:58] sinuhe: yesterday i red an article where a guy says he likes slackware because of Patrick. he meant to say, only guy who decides whats going to be on distro or not, is the "only" maintainer. for other distributions there are a vast of maintainers. + points out that Slackware never had a huge crash after a simple package update. [13:58] Unless you are using -current [13:58] It happens from time to time [13:59] jemark (~mark@86-44-49-184-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:01] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [14:01] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:05] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [14:05] it's root! [14:06] get 'em [14:06] gotta catch them all! 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[14:21] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:21] he's baaack [14:21] hulloo. hope you don't mind, i have a question regarding my new slackware install. I was having problems with my screen, but now have a 'new' VGA card. ATI Rage 128 AGP. I ran xorgsetup, but it still won't let me go above 800x600 [14:21] yeah, *'*new*'* [14:22] phoenix-2: how much memory on the card? [14:22] adrien : :) yeah, 'new' .... new to my PC! [14:22] its a rage 128, i think it has 128 colors [14:22] or 128kb of ram, which ever is worse [14:22] dont be so mean [14:22] Skywise : - I think it is a mighty 128Mb [14:22] definitely not 128MB [14:22] or maybe 128Mb [14:23] or 128mbit [14:23] I was working with a SIS650, but can't find any linux drivers. apparently linux has r128 drivers built in [14:23] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:23] you have to realise your available modes is a subset of what your card and your monitor can both do [14:23] 16MB or 32MB apparently [14:24] adrien : - ah yes, my bad memory ... i thnk its the 32mb version [14:24] snowdonkey (~bennett@adsl-99-96-39-244.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:24] my monitor can do a lot better than 1024x768 (which is what i'd like), that card should be able to do this, too [14:24] 1024*768*32/4/8 = 768 [14:25] damn [14:25] completely wrong [14:25] 1024*768*32/4/1024/1024 = 6 [14:25] ? [14:26] phoenix-2: is the module for your card loaded? [14:26] your card may not be able to support the higher res of your monitor [14:26] 1024*768 pixels, 32bit color depth, this requires at least 6MB of video memory [14:26] pupit : my xorg.conf says it is using r128, if thats what you mean? [14:26] i wouldn't be surprised if that card could only do 1024x768 interlaced at 60hz [14:26] phoenix-2: yeah [14:26] hooh (~nnscript@190.166.32.188) left irc: Read error: No route to host [14:26] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:27] phoenix-2: so if you have a xorg.conf, change the resolution in 24bit modset ad a ( "1024x768" ) [14:27] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:27] hooh (~nnscript@190.166.32.188) joined ##slackware. [14:28] its a early 90s era card [14:28] use 16bit, not 24bit [14:29] ok, i can see DefaultDepth in xorg.conf, but nothing defining resolution [14:29] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [14:29] and whats the default depth? [14:29] phoenix-2: btw, what is the output of 'xrandr'? (pastebin!) [14:30] default was 24. thinking of taking adriens advice and changing to 16 ... [14:30] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [14:30] 24bit is actually basically unused except by qemu [14:30] linux doesn't look good at 16 bits [14:31] hahah adrien, actually-basically :) [14:31] xrandr shows maximum as 800x600, if that helps [14:31] slava_dp: you'd run kde with such a card? :P [14:31] pupit: yeah, I know =) [14:31] sounded a bit bad but I dunno [14:31] adrien, sure fire :P [14:31] its ok :) made me laugh :) [14:32] Action: phoenix-2 waves to slava_dp [14:32] could simply be the monitor and its EDID infos [14:32] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Quit: Menea y hornea... [14:32] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-45-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Action: slava_dp waves back to phoenix-2 :) [14:32] slava_dp: ok, I'll take a screenshot on monday, once kde is started =) [14:32] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] phoenix-2: paste your xorg.conf [14:33] pupit : - ok, give me a moment [14:33] I don't have much time. I'm about to leave the house (in like a minute), but how do I change my terminal to a bigger size? [14:33] I just finished installing. [14:33] provide vga= in lilo.conf [14:33] /etc/lilo.conf and rerun lilo [14:34] K I'll do that when I get back. Thanks [14:34] www.pastebin.com:80/V7eKSM9B [14:34] my xorg.conf [14:35] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:36] unfortunatley for me, i tried slackware a few years back, and kind of 1/2-remember stuff ... but not enough, it seems! :( [14:36] zux1wrk (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [14:37] this is 404 not found [14:37] http://pastebin.com/V7eKSM9B [14:37] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:38] change it to 16bit and add below the line- Depth     16 ,line- Modes "1024x768" "800x600" [14:39] Modes "1024x768" "800x600" [14:39] yes? [14:39] yes [14:39] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:40] ok, adding that. one moment [14:40] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:40] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:41] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:41] save it, restart X. [14:41] Aside: when i boot up X, i get akonadi booting up - do I need it? can I stop it? [14:42] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] for that machine with rage 128, u dont need it [14:42] :) [14:42] ok thnks. [14:42] x has restarted, still in 800x600, xrandr says maximum 800x600 [14:43] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:45] thats that then :) u have learned something today, look on the bright side [14:45] boo! :( ok, may have to salvage some more hardware, if that's the problem. [14:46] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [14:47] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:47] i've got a couple of old PCs sat doing nothing, was just trying to get them up and running. thought Slack would be a better idea than XP ... [14:47] slackytude (~slacky@e179053130.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:48] thanks for the help. [14:50] zux1wrk (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:51] phoenix-2 (~Miranda@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust213.lei3.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! 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[15:43] im having some trouble setting up a usb to boot the slackware installation [15:43] how are you doing it? [15:43] i download usbboot.img to the usb [15:44] then, i run 'sudo dd if=usbboot.img of=/dev/sdb1 bs=512' in the USBSLACK directory [15:44] the usb is /dev/sdb1 ? [15:44] yes [15:44] and you download the file there? [15:44] yes [15:44] dd overwrites it then [15:44] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-38.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:45] oh so i see ! [15:46] thank you [15:46] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [15:46] 1) download the usbboot.img in a hard drive. 2) add a usb stick *unmounted* 3) exec dd if=/home/zedkappa/usbboot.img of=/dev/sdb1 bs=512 [15:46] that will overwrite all the contents of the stick of course [15:46] all that as root btw [15:47] *unmounted* ? [15:47] yeah if the stick is mounted its not gonna work [15:47] ok ill try this out real quick [15:48] i need an advice, i've messed up my system, while upgrading slackware-current, i created a non-working initrd image for the new kernel, that won't boot. I still have a working 2.6.33.1 image, that boots the system, but cannot load any other modules since upgradepkg kernel-modules deleted them. And I also don't have any bootable slackware installer handy.... [15:48] thanks for taking your time to help me out [15:48] np, good luck [15:48] and the working old kernel won't mount my /boot partition becouse it's on ext3 [15:49] Korsi (~Korsi@adsl-85-217-40-138.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Korsi (~Korsi@adsl-85-217-40-138.kotinet.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] jhell_ (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [15:50] hooh (~nnscript@190.166.32.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:52] zux: edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the huge kernel. exec lilo [15:52] hi all [15:53] how can I confirm my system is multilib? [15:53] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:53] sahko, tried that, it fails saying that only linear boot devices are supported [15:53] Greetings, im having some issues regarding compiling. When im trying to do make im getting sth like this: http://pastebin.com/vThWBytU I have already tried reinstalling gcc/glibc, any insight? [15:53] Nick change: jhell_ -> jhell [15:54] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:55] the error says: Fatal: device-mapper: only linear boot device supported [15:55] gtludwig if ur not sure then most likely not, because you have to consciously download and install multilib [15:55] i should mention that i have LVM on a crypted partition [15:55] yeah that wont work [15:55] sorry got to go [15:56] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:56] aw [15:56] crashdata, i did download and installed multilib using alienBOB's how-to [15:56] Nick change: ph|ber_ -> ph|ber [15:56] gtludwig, then u have multilib then...try installing wine or skype to test it out [15:57] gtludwig confirmation of correct install: a) libs present b) 32 bit apps run [15:57] thing is wine is not installint [15:57] this isn't rocket science :") [15:57] hehe! true [15:57] gtludwig, are you grabbing wine from slackbuilds.org [15:58] yup [15:58] try intsalling it using sbopkg [15:58] reinstalling multilib packages now [15:58] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) left ##slackware. [15:58] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] i use wget to download all mutilib [15:59] to avoid missing files.. [15:59] I build my own like a real man [15:59] hahaha [15:59] lolz [15:59] lol [16:00] Noble (~root@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] What is the best way to keep track of dependencies? [16:00] This won't end well. [16:00] Noble: human brain. [16:01] So you go around and remember all the dependencies for your entire system? [16:01] a good drug counselor [16:01] I mean, some of them are logic. [16:01] Noble: Name a package, I'll tell you its deps off the top of my head [16:01] lol @jkkwood [16:01] Noble, you do a full install, then use slackbuilds.org where all dependencies are documented. problem solved. [16:01] eviljames: I bet you could, I'm not that good remembering stuff though :/ [16:01] slava_dp: I see, [16:01] eviljames, VLC ;-P [16:02] will the ldd command be of use? [16:02] slava_dp: suuuuure, take the easy way out :P [16:02] wolven: The Internet. :P [16:02] _all_ of the internet. [16:02] =D [16:02] heheh I suppose that challenge would be foolhardy for me to take on, especially considering that I don't use vlc [16:02] 2nd day in a row now this topic keeps coming up [16:02] and any number of the infinite amount of packages out there.. but for the ones I use, I generally know what they depend on. [16:03] eviljames, i've done a stripped down install of slack 12.2. lots of stuff is missing some functioonality as a result. [16:03] wolven: o/ [16:03] hai jkwood [16:03] slava_dp: Sure, but then if you're stripping down a slackware install, you should know what the ramifications are. [16:03] true. [16:03] night all ;) [16:03] g'nite [16:03] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: ^D [16:03] we were on this same thing last night, weren't we? [16:04] yup [16:04] hey eviljames [16:04] howdy hoobop [16:04] its afternoon where i am but yah [16:04] yeah and what an afternoon eh? [16:04] crashdata: you downtown, or in the burbs? [16:04] i'm in coq. [16:04] beaut weather here...u in DT? [16:05] hahah I think I've only been to coq. once. I'm an east van person, so I don't leave the city that often. [16:05] Commercial Dr. area [16:05] i work here lolz [16:05] ahhh [16:05] i'm a bby boy [16:06] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.41.9) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Noble: Others can disagree with me, but I'm of the mind that you should get to know your system, your software, a little more closely than auto-magic dep.tracking allows for. [16:07] Nick change: nikoEvil -> niko [16:08] eviljames: I completely agree, on the other hand I'm new to slack so I don't know all the deps by heart. Thats why I'm interested on how you figure them out. [16:09] i just plugged in a usb soundcard, but alsa doesn't detect it [16:10] but this does show up in `dmesg` usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio [16:10] Noble: Sure thing. Lots of ways. Probably the easiest way to get some hints from an already running system is ldd(1) [16:10] so how do i use it? [16:10] Noble: Another way (this one takes a LONG time) is to build a Linux From Scratch all the way through BLFS. [16:11] slackware should be everyones first distro. [16:11] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@92.250.20.96) joined ##slackware. [16:11] if you can handle it.. any other will be a breeze. [16:11] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [16:11] I see. [16:11] Noble: slava_dp had good advice too. In a base Slackware install you don't really need to track the deps. Pat V. does it for you, and it's probably smart to just trust him. [16:11] He is referred to as "God" after all. [16:11] echelon: You're *sure* alsa doesn't detect it? [16:12] ph|ber, i don't agree, after getting used to the simple ways of slackware, i usually get confused in debianisms and redhatisms [16:12] echelon, did you change the source (from whatever soundcard you were using before to the new one)? [16:12] eviljames, well i dunno, i just ran alsaconf and it just shows my old soundcard [16:12] how do i do that [16:13] echelon, are you running kde? [16:13] i'm not using any DE [16:13] ppl what package contain the startx, the gdm ? [16:14] echelon: alsaconf does not detect my usb audio either [16:14] oh, so how do you use it? [16:14] OpenSys: No Slackware package contains gdm. [16:14] echelon: Mine's an I/O device for recording, so I use jack with it. [16:14] but it uses the same modules snd-usb-audio [16:15] :/ [16:15] If you're using KDE it should show up in the Phonon (Multimedia) settings [16:15] Mine does. [16:16] i just have alsa-utils and aumix [16:17] echelon: aplay -L [16:17] echelon: Look for USB Audio Codec [16:17] the startx script is part of xinit [16:17] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-184-111.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:18] still just shows my internal speakers [16:18] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:21] echelon, try alsamixer [16:22] and from there i think it's something like -d to control specific devices [16:22] not sure [16:22] shonudo, i did [16:22] shonudo: aplay -L lists devices available to alsa [16:22] and the usb device is listed? [16:22] or not? [16:22] straterra, i got a turtle beach usb soundcard [16:22] echelon: SRM? [16:23] no [16:23] this.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829118007 [16:23] Greetings, im having some issues regarding compiling. When im trying to do make im getting sth like this: http://pastebin.com/vThWBytU I have already tried reinstalling gcc/glibc, any insight? [16:23] straterra, but it doesn't show up in alsaconf [16:24] Show up in lsusb? [16:25] Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0d8c:0103 C-Media Electronics, Inc. Turtle Beach Audio Advantage Micro [16:25] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:25] dmesg shows.. usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio [16:25] Do you have usb-audio module loaded? [16:25] gammalyrae: g++ -g0 -O2 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -c dvorakng.cpp -o dvorakng.o [16:25] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-kbluhnrhvokymnna) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:25] sinuhe (~sinuhe@166.70.206.22) joined ##slackware. [16:26] err, snd-usb-audio [16:30] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B5459.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:30] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:31] eviljames: i get the same error [16:32] gammalyrae: even lines 2-9 from that pastebin? [16:32] try w/o the -o [16:32] straterra, sorry [16:32] umm [16:32] gammalyrae: g++ -g0 -O2 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -c dvorakng.cpp [16:32] straterra, don't appear to [16:33] There's always g== --dwim [16:33] you mean snd_usb_audio? [16:33] yeah, it's loaded [16:33] i grep'ed with the hyphens -_- [16:34] same again [16:34] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:34] what to do now? :-/ [16:35] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:36] echelon: It should work then :/ [16:36] echelon: #alsa has muuuch better support than I [16:37] straterra, yours appears in alsamixer? [16:37] k [16:37] Nick change: xchg_fandi -> xchg [16:37] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [16:38] andyr0ck (~andyr0ck@cpc3-leed10-0-0-cust684.leed.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] echelon: mine does though :/ [16:39] hrm kk [16:40] zedkappa (~mythx@fl-67-232-248-100.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:44] andyr0ck (~andyr0ck@cpc3-leed10-0-0-cust684.leed.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:46] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:48] jd (~jd@rocket.vel.lv) joined ##slackware. [16:48] jd (~jd@rocket.vel.lv) left irc: Changing host [16:48] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:52] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-45-254.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [16:52] phoenix-2 (~Miranda@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust213.lei3.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:53] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [16:54] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:56] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:58] HI again. I'm still struggling with my screen res. I have swapped to a ABIT nf7 board with integrated nforce2 chipset, but still can;t get above 800x600. [16:59] is anyone able to help, or point me in the right direction? [17:02] phoenix-2: are you using an xorg.conf ? [17:03] yes, i ran xorgsetup to try to configure it [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-128.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrape [17:05] and your sure you have the proper refresh rates and all? [17:06] can you post the conf file? [17:06] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [17:06] i can pastebin the file. i have no refresh rates etc entered [17:07] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nicjbnxgnhdvyxio) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:08] ah, no i can't post it ... interent not working yet ... :9 [17:09] it would appear i have not got network drivers working, sorry, kind of assumed they would be. i can type lines out here ... [17:09] phoenix-2, If you paste stuff like that here, you'll get kicked for flooding the channel. [17:10] fire|bird : - yes, i would not paste the whole config file - just relevant lines [17:11] do you have a Modes line ? [17:11] Modes "1024x768" "800x600" [17:11] i would add the refresh info to the monitor section as well [17:12] ok [17:12] ok, can you advise as to the syntax pls? [17:12] it ls lcd 17" monitor, so 60hz, yes? [17:12] and you have that modes line in the proper section that your defaultdepth refers to? [17:13] yes, it is in the 24, deafult, section [17:13] ok [17:13] HorizSync 30.0 - 70.0 [17:13] VertRefresh 50.0 - 160.0 [17:13] where do you get those rates from? [17:14] that's an example of mine....best to check your monitor's manual...or sometimes the refresh rates are on a sticker on your monitor somewhere [17:14] best to say that before posting the rates [17:14] in olden days you could fry a monitor with the wrong refresh (too high a rate) [17:14] and that goes in the same seciton as Modes, yes? [17:15] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [17:15] no [17:15] mancha: he asked for the syntax :P [17:15] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Client Quit [17:15] phoenix-2: no, it goes in the monitor section [17:16] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [17:16] lolz i remember doing this back in 98 lolz [17:16] ok ang. will have to look up those figures [17:16] ang, fair nuff [17:16] crashdata : - :) yeah, thats about when I last did this! [17:16] yah how old is ur monitor man? [17:16] phoenix-2: or you could probably go to the vendor's website as well and find the manual :) [17:16] or ur system [17:16] lucky for me, my friend had the same monitor as i did [17:17] crashdata : - monitor is about 5yrs old? dell 17" LCD. PC is AMD1600+, old [17:17] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Action: alphageek lols [17:17] that's a peeve of mine, not everyone's good about making their display specs known (cf sync and refresh intervals). [17:17] not that old...up until recent i was using my same old monitor samsung 753df :) [17:17] start x11vnc on localhost, then vnc _to_ localhost. wee [17:17] they've gotten better but they used to suck at this. [17:18] actualy 2 years ago [17:18] hey, I'm trying to speed up loading time of certain apps (dolphin, etc) ... Is there someway to preload them to memory or something else? [17:18] will have to hunt down model number etc, and then hunt specs ... [17:19] the memory mgmt system will cache after the first run [17:19] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-hoetubeejntwgdti) left ##slackware. [17:19] so the next runs will be faster (cached data) [17:19] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:19] i see no differecne between the cache happening at the 1st run and some run #0 before it [17:20] woife (~woife@193.151.63.61) joined ##slackware. [17:20] mancha: konsole for example always take about 2 seconds or so to load regardless [17:20] get a faster processor [17:21] faster HD, faster RAM [17:21] faster BUS [17:21] hm, the machine is a *bit* old, I guess :-p [17:22] even if i could just pre-load the damn thing but have it invisible until called upon [17:22] sunzu (~sunzu@pD9ED61F4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] it's for konsole and dolphin really than for anything else [17:22] how about just dealing with 2 second delays? [17:23] also, instead of konsole, use yakuake! [17:23] innit yakuake that scripted console? [17:23] i know it's not much, but I like the process of finding out how to pimp my setup a bit :-D [17:24] i told you, get hardware from the last 2 years [17:24] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [17:24] yeah, yakuakes cool until you want multiple bash instances [17:24] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] w00p! w00p! found my hopriz/vert, and now I have 1024x768x24! Thanks bunches! [17:24] phoenix-2, gratz man, finally eh [17:25] aye, knew we'd get there, one way or t'other! [17:25] :) [17:25] ang - thanks for the help! and everyone else! [17:26] rogersman, you can prolly shave a lot off if you have it not do its kbuildsycoca dance, find a way to shut down that nasty [17:26] phoenix-2: no problemo :) [17:26] now to get the rest of system broken - erm, i mean working! net work drivers 1st ... [17:26] mancha: running an strace on konsole now ... [17:27] hi rogersman, i just catched the end of your conversation, so sorry if i got it wrong, but yakuake can do multiple bash instances (tabbed) [17:28] rogersman: ctrl-shift-n -- yakuake has tab support [17:28] woife: tbh tho mate, this "issue" applies to more than just konsole...theres a lot of pish that kde goes through before loading any prog (like kbuildsycoa) [17:28] time to take out the carving knife [17:30] xfce loads up any of these bad boys in a flash [17:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [17:31] kde isn't the leanest kid on the block [17:31] i don't think people turn to konsole when it is a small footprint they're after. [17:33] ferdl (~phiezer@pD9E30919.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] mancha: yeah, I get the impression there's a lot of guff running on in the background with kde...who the bollocks uses akonadi, or nepomuk? [17:34] nepomuk is the social networking api [17:34] you use it when you want to get rooted via facebook [17:35] Does anyone know if a file is not executable in cron.* will it still get run by crond? [17:36] mancha: bah humbug [17:36] jk about nepomuk :) [17:36] it's called the social interface, the idea is all metadata info gets socialized. [17:36] i don't know much more than that [17:37] yeah, so I can "rate" my files .. woo hoo [17:37] anyway, this stuff has been bitched about ad nauseum on kde forums... [17:42] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-26.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:45] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:45] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] just one more query for now ... if that's ok ... [17:46] I have my 1024x768, but the Panel at bottom of screen is still only 800(?) across, 3/4 of screen - is there a easy way to make it all the way? [17:47] doh, forget I asked - tools - maximise! [17:48] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:48] thanks again, guys n gals! [17:48] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.53.159) joined ##slackware. [17:48] phoenix-2 (~Miranda@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust213.lei3.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [17:50] BEn3 (~alpha@93-45-143-59.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:50] phoenix-2 (~bob@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust213.lei3.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [17:52] hulloo - just wanted to say I am now on slackware pc! all working, network, graphics, everything! :) maybe even get sound one day (but no speakers, so no rush!) [17:52] dra (~dra@190.178.69.119) joined ##slackware. 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[18:06] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-26.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [18:08] yea, and prolly encrypted docs. what formats does okular support? trying to see what i miss if i disable crypto [18:10] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.2) left irc: Quit: Bye [18:11] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:11] system will exploit for the airs [18:11] woife (~woife@193.151.63.61) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:13] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:14] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [18:16] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:22] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [18:26] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. 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[18:37] slackpkg -i [18:37] Noble: slackbook.org section 18 [18:39] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:39] Noble, go to the dir in your DVD and installpkg that package [18:39] y0 slackytude [18:40] hey hey fire|bird [18:40] mancha: I installed from an FTP server. [18:40] slackytude, long time no see stranger, how's it going? [18:40] fire|bird, Im still alive [18:40] could be better [18:40] how about you? [18:41] doing great I expect [18:41] slackytude, yeah, doing great, thanks. :) [18:41] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:42] good to see that some things dont change [18:43] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:45] how about some nice summer kicking in, slackytude ? about frakkin time [18:45] that would be great, yeah [18:46] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.150) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:48] adamk_ (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Pardon me for being new to this, but if I've got this right: If I wish to install a package from the DVD, I download the iso, mount it somewhere and point pkgtool to that dir? [18:50] yes [18:50] you could also use slackpkg [18:50] What is the difference? [18:50] hi all [18:50] ferdl (phiezer@pD9E30919.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("we are upgrading /dev/null"). [18:51] well, you dont have to download the whole iso if you just want a single package [18:51] slackpkg install package download and install packages [18:51] ez [18:52] I see, smart. [18:53] Wow, the awesomeness of that. [18:53] have you been introduced to sbopkg already? [18:53] I have not. [18:53] unless sbo is somehow deprecated nowadays [18:53] *WHAM* sqlite installed :D cool. [18:53] Im not up2date [18:53] probably 13.1 out already [18:54] If i install packages from an official mirror using slackpkg, how can I know what dependencies the package need? [18:55] well, basically, you dont [18:56] And there is no way to find out? [18:56] you can run ldd on the binary [18:56] I see. [18:56] slackytude, nope, no 13.1 yet, but -current is 13.1 Beta 1, so getting close. Also, SBo is still very much alive, active, and well. :) [18:56] and see what libs it is trying to call [18:57] fire|bird, ^-^ [18:57] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [18:59] slackytude, been using any of the latest opera snapshot stuff? [18:59] meh [18:59] Im on opera 10.53 on windows [18:59] but no snapshots [18:59] Id like to see it on linux tho [18:59] coz its nice [19:00] slackytude, yeah, no qt dep anymore either. :) [19:00] yeah, think I read about that [19:00] I've been messing with it a bit lately, that and chrome. [19:00] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Hey, I cant remember seeing slackpkg in the official guide. [19:01] the official guide is kinda, well, old [19:01] there should be a new one coming [19:01] I don't think slackpkg was part of slack when that guide was written. [19:01] yeah [19:01] it remained in extra/ for a long time [19:02] I read a comic today written in 1991 [19:02] \o phrag, how's it going? [19:02] geox (ircap751@148.221.210.20) joined ##slackware. [19:02] they had a slackware poster hanging in this cit< [19:02] i dont think it was even in there when the last rev. of slackbook was written in 2005 [19:02] So is slackpkg considered 'good praticse' amongst the users? [19:02] and a church of the subgenius as well [19:02] great comic [19:02] i love those books [19:03] subgenius* [19:03] Noble, yeah, it wouldnt be installed by default [19:03] otherwise [19:03] geox (ircap751@148.221.210.20) left ##slackware. [19:04] Cool, I've been wondering why there was no such tool in slackware. [19:04] Noble: yes, as long as the user is aware and follows slackware documention like UPGRADE.TXT and Changelog if running -current [19:04] Noble, oh yeah, check slackbuilds.org and sbopkg.org [19:04] slackpkg is accepted as good practice [19:05] also, package dependency is up to the user, cleaner that way =) [19:05] So I've heard. [19:06] meh [19:06] you can stay away for 6 months and when you get back there is an argument about dependency checking [19:06] gotta love #slackware [19:06] and yes, slackbuilds.org and sbopkg are good resources [19:06] an argument? [19:06] Yeh, what argument? [19:10] well, almost [19:12] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:12] Haha yeah, I'm just trying to learn *angelface* [19:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:14] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [19:18] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [19:18] straterra, it works :) [19:18] very nice quality sound [19:22] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:30] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:38] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[20:16] not oss.. aoss [20:17] aoss wraps alsa in oss [20:17] yeah [20:17] what for? [20:17] same question stands [20:18] Flash player was the only excuse for that. [20:18] because my soundcard isn't working with oss [20:18] you mean alsa? [20:18] yes.. because of of flash [20:18] it works with alsa [20:18] newer flash uses alsa [20:18] last I checked [20:19] hrm.. i dunno why it's not picking up my soundcard then [20:19] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:19] you should not need aoss to run flash these days. [20:19] latemus (1000@c-174-52-134-24.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] I remember it dying so much when I had to use it. [20:19] And that was in 2006. [20:20] is there a way to set a soundcard to work with flash? [20:20] All of mine have just worked. [20:20] its supposed tojust work [20:20] Get any errors from your web browser if you start it from a terminal? [20:21] i've had to make my card work by putting this in /etc/asound.conf [20:21] defaults.ctl.!card 1\ defaults.pcm.!card 1 [20:21] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [20:21] looks like it may be trying to use card 0. 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[22:15] after this i cant use ppp device [22:16] the php build included with 13.0 has the apache specific options --with-apxs --with-apxs2 enabled, right? [22:16] mugwort13 (~mugwort13@pool-96-244-230-179.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [22:17] am0rphis: After what? What the hell is happening, when are you seeing this, what are you doing before this ppp device stops working? [22:18] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [22:18] please be more specific, i am not an IRC mind reader.... Nor would i ever wish to be one. [22:18] potentially stupid question here ... in sw 13.0 the kdewebdev pkg states that is has quanta plus, yet I cannot seem to find or start it, have I missed something? [22:18] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:18] latemus: check the source for the php slackbuild. I know it has --with-apxs but not sure about --with-apxs2 [22:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:19] am0rphis_ (~zxzxz@212.58.183.48) joined ##slackware. [22:19] latemus: Sorry, the actual source from your dvd/cd/HTTP site hosting slackware source. [22:19] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:21] agentc0re, dont know? some time this happens and ppp(hci) device freezing [22:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:22] am0rphis (~zxzxz@91.145.192.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:22] agentc0re: thanks [22:23] mugwort13: same here [22:23] Johnny_Blade (~johnny@189-31-22-12.bsace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Johnny_Blade (johnny@189-31-22-12.bsace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [22:26] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [22:28] now any mirror is working to download slackware. [22:28] but bit torrent link is working. [22:29] and the torrent one is fast as hell [22:29] and safer [22:29] Ah not safer ! [22:30] anyway [22:30] Cesarion76 (~Miranda@42-145-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:30] chances are your download would not break as easily if you are downloading via torrent [22:30] I get rarely get disconnected, but when I do, sometimes my downloads break [22:31] so I use torrent for most things [22:31] but there are torrent related security holes. By the way the I think it's more than enough to check it against the MD5 [22:31] true [22:31] md5 does the job [22:31] but I think it is safer for going through the downloading process, you know? [22:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:32] the problem related to that is your IP is visible to other peers. [22:32] IP disclosure [22:32] how could that harm me? [22:32] if you downloading some pirate then [22:32] ah! no, I don't do that [22:33] I use torrents for downloading big OS releases [22:33] Cesarion76 (~Miranda@42-145-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [22:33] linuxes and bsds [22:33] although I must say, the only Linuxes I like besides Slack are Arch and Gentoo [22:33] and both are really small .iso files [22:34] and BSD does not do the job for me, although I like it a lot [22:34] tsccof: yeah, I've turned awy from BSd as well [22:35] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [22:35] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:36] hitest: BSD is great, but I read kernel benchmarks and linux 2.6 did beat all three bsds in most aspects [22:36] mugwort13 (~mugwort13@pool-96-244-230-179.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:36] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:36] also, I need ALSA [22:36] Does anyone know how to refresh folder contents in Dolphin? [22:36] I don't think Slackware loses for any BSD in any aspect [22:36] cryptic0: f5...? [22:37] jewbacca: thank you. that worked. I was puzzled all afternoon. [22:38] any beamer fans here? [22:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:42] beamer fans? [22:42] SmartOne_ (~chatzilla@112.135.56.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:43] I'm guessing he means either sunshine, or chunks of wood, or whiskey, or BMWs. Or transporters. [22:44] hehe [22:45] I guess he's embarrassed now by his off-topic-ness, and doesn't want to say [22:45] or just living up to his nick :) [22:45] gospch_ (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [22:45] I do love a good chunk of wood [22:46] personally, i'm a merc man [22:46] How much wood would a wood chunk chuck... wait [22:46] am0rphis (~zxzxz@212.58.184.58) joined ##slackware. [22:47] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:48] for those of you who like piano - http://gh.ffshrine.org/soundtracks/2179 [22:48] danc3: LaTeX beamer [22:48] the sims 1 soundtrack [22:48] pianos are usually made from chunks of wood [22:49] true [22:49] am0rphis_ (~zxzxz@212.58.183.48) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:49] danc3 with me [22:49] gospch (~gorspch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:49] Nick change: gospch_ -> gospch [22:49] what's a Latex beamer? [22:50] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [22:50] is it like a rubber coated car, or sumpin? [22:50] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [22:50] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-145-139.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:50] heya,folks [22:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:51] hey MLanded [22:51] MLanden [22:51] heya,tsccof [22:51] danc3: apparently its presentation software [22:51] MLanden: how are you? [22:51] oh. I prefer OO.o Impress [22:52] tsccof, doin' fine thanks..yourself? [22:52] tsccof: yeah, I ran FreeBSD from 5.x---->8.0, but, finally tired of it. I like Arch, but, it is too bleeding edge for my tastes. For me Slackware strikes the right balance. [22:52] isn't LaTeX that archaic typesetting-something software? [22:53] danc3: now you don't like my boss [22:53] LaTeX is awesome [22:53] not archaic, but yes, it's typesetting - powerful/cryptic [22:53] nod [22:53] cryptic0: huh? [22:53] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Client Quit [22:53] um, no pun intended [22:53] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [22:53] I got yelled big time by my boss today, for using latex and beamer [22:53] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:53] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [22:53] MLanden: fine as well, thanks! [22:53] am0rphis (~zxzxz@212.58.184.58) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:54] cryptic0: what was his problem? [22:54] insufficiently conformist [22:54] ? [22:54] hitest: Slackware feels like a wall, it is very solid. Arch is great, I am actually running it at the moment and it works fine, but I did have some issues I would never get on Slackware.. besides, I feel I am more in control of thing when running Slackware [22:55] agreed. I feel in control on slackware [22:56] Slackware-current is rock-like and very stable when compared to Arch [22:56] slakmagik: he said making presentations in beamer is absolutely the most ridiculous way of doing things, you can't edit it on the fly. [22:56] I was saying in my head, ummm yes you can, if you are patient and know how to do it. and if you don't do things at the last minute. [22:58] am0rphis (~zxzxz@91.145.211.177) joined ##slackware. [22:58] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:59] he thinks latex is a thing of past and obsolete now. He truly believes (which I think is nuts) that word and powerpoint can exceed quality of latex. [22:59] yeah - different worlds - I haven't used latex/beamer, but markup beats pushing edigets around [22:59] wtf? widgets [22:59] edigets are the babies produced by widgets, I think [22:59] :) [22:59] Pidgin 2.7 is out and I would like to remove Pidgin 2.6.6 from my PC. How would I go about doing this considering Pidgin was included with Slackware 13? [23:00] is there a way to remove an entire package set with pkgtool? [23:00] removepkg pidgin [23:00] tsccof: Simple as that...? [23:00] i mean, like a package series [23:00] CelestialWurm: yea [23:00] like D or L [23:00] latemus - grep for the set and remove the output of the grep [23:00] CelestialWurm: it's even easier if you just do : upgradepkg pidgin [23:00] CelestialWurm: don't need to remove the old one first [23:01] but then you must have -current marked as a mirror in the mirrorlist [23:01] and run slackpkg update first [23:01] Woah, slow down. I'm a bit new to Slackware still, heh. [23:01] whats so special about pidgin 2.7? Can it truly handle webcams? [23:01] slakmagik: you mean like "ls /var/logs/paclages | grep X" [23:01] or if you have the older package already downloaded upgradepkg oldpackage%newpackage [23:01] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:02] MLanden: don't need to do that... just use upgradepkg [23:02] It seems to me like the easiest way will just be to remove the package and install the new version from source. [23:02] I just did this the other day, yanking the kde set - give me a sec to reconstruct [23:02] ok thanks [23:02] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:02] i want to remove X [23:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:02] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [23:03] danc3, you're right..force of habit..:) [23:03] latemus: something like removepkg $(grep '$PACKAGE LOCATION.*/x/.*' * | cut -d: -f1) [23:04] danc3: Wouldn't upgradepkg only work if there is a Slackbuilds for the new version of Pidgin? [23:04] er, remove that dollar sign in front of PACKAGE - dunno how that got there [23:04] edigets must have put it there [23:05] CelestialWurm: pkgtools and slackpkg do not even touch SlackBuilds [23:05] oh, it was supposed to be a ^ [23:05] tsccof: Hm? So I can simply do "upgradepkg pidgin" as root and it will work? [23:05] CelestialWurm: it downloads the package from an ftp/http server, it was already compiled by Pat himself [23:06] CelestialWurm: exactly! but a -current mirror must be selected in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [23:06] CelestialWurm: and you must run 'slackpkg update' before upgrading pidgin [23:06] latemus: and that's done from /var/log/packages, of course - and run just the grep to make sure it's the right packages for you, before the removepkg [23:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:06] tsccof: How would I go about selecting a -current mirror? [23:06] slakmagik: sounds goo. thanks man [23:07] d [23:07] sure thing! [23:07] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:07] CelestialWurm: familiar with nano or vi? what window manager/desktop are you running? [23:07] Nick change: redxj -> iceheart [23:07] tsccof: I've used nano before, that's the in console text editor correct? [23:07] And I'm using Dolphin / KDE4. [23:07] CelestiamWurm: correct [23:08] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [23:08] CelestiamWurm: open up the terminal, log as root, and use nano for editing /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [23:08] CelestiamWurm: 'nano /etc/slackpkg/mirrors' (without quotes) [23:08] tsccof: Currently staring at it. [23:08] I see the list of commented out Slackware 13.0 mirrors. [23:09] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [23:09] CelestiamWurm: after that, make sure you comment all mirrors and only uncomment one from -current [23:09] Okay. Simple as removing the "#" [23:09] Does it matter which mirror? [23:09] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:09] CelestiamWurm: I recommend uncommenting an http mirror since FTP takes some seconds for getting authorisation [23:10] And of course the only USA mirror is ftp. [23:10] How delightful. [23:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:10] CelestiamWurm: use the irish one [23:10] CelestiamWurm: really fast [23:10] CelestiamWurm: hianet, if I am not mistaken [23:11] tsccof: I just found an http USA one, do you still reccomend the Irish? [23:11] CelestiamWurm: it is up to you [23:11] CelestiamWurm: but I always recommend HTTP over FTP because those few seconds actually matter when you are upgrading MANY packages at once [23:11] CelestiamWurm: such as when you do a full upgrade to slack-current [23:11] am0rphis (~zxzxz@91.145.211.177) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:12] tsccof: I can't even find the Irish. Will it matter that I'm not using Slackware current? [23:12] CelestiamWurm: no, you can run Slackware 13 and use a -current mirror and get some packages from it [23:13] tsccof: Fantastic. Found the Ireland mirror too. I think I'll go with that one for now :]. [23:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:13] CelestiamWurm: just make sure all dependencies are satisfied. you will find out in case some software does not work, so I always recommend running recently upgraded software from a terminal, so you get dependency messages [23:13] CelestiamWurm: for instance, after upgrading to pidgin-2.7.0, you might need to upgrade libpurple as well [23:14] CelestiamWurm: so run pidgin from a terminal the first time you run it after upgrading, and it will tell you [23:14] CelestiamWurm: if it works fine, then it is fine [23:14] tsccof: Sounds good :D. What was the next command I had to use? slackpkg upgrade? [23:14] CelestiamWurm: slackpkg update [23:14] slackpkg update [23:14] As Root, I take it? [23:14] CelestiamWurm: yes [23:15] tsccof: It's downloading some files. [23:15] CelestiamWurm: :D it is working great [23:15] CelestiamWurm: new to gnu/linux? [23:15] tsccof: Relatively. [23:16] tsccof: I was put off at first but then forced myself to begin learning and I'm loving it so far. [23:16] CelestiamWurm: I hope you like Slackware, welcome! [23:16] Can I 'upgradepkg pidgin' while running the old version of Pidgin? [23:17] CelestialWurm: possible, but not recommended [23:17] |Slacker| (~cris@189.65.25.145) joined ##slackware. [23:17] I'm using Pidgin right now, so I will return with either good or bad news I suppose. [23:18] CelestiamWurm: you may want to try irssi [23:18] That's the terminal IRC client, right? [23:18] CelestiamWurm: yea [23:18] CelestiamWurm: I use it every once in a while, but I most use Pidgin since I use MSN as well [23:18] mostly* [23:19] Wurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [23:19] 'kay. In IRSSI. [23:19] Oh how cute. [23:19] Right. [23:19] CelestialWurm: i use centerim...it's really good for instant messaging, and is ncurses-based [23:20] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:20] Closed Pidgin, time to update it I suppose. [23:20] irssi is named after urss [23:21] tsccof: I ran 'upgradepkg pidgin' but it told me "Cannot install pidgin: file not found" [23:21] Wurm: then run 'slackpkg upgrade pidgin' [23:21] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:21] tsccof: i always assumed it was named such because it's pronounced 'eye are see', like the protocol [23:22] jewbacca: that is what it wants America to think of itself [23:22] briareus (~briareus@ip68-98-234-211.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] briareus (~briareus@ip68-98-234-211.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [23:22] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:22] Hm. [23:23] It would appear there is no new pkg. [23:23] It's still giving me 2.6.6 [23:23] Wurm: you'll need to grab the slackbuild archive from slackware source, the pidgin source, and make a new package [23:23] Wurm: yeah, apparently Pat did not upgrade/upload it yet [23:24] tsccof: It did just release today, heh. [23:24] jewbacca: I have no idea how to go abhout either of those. [23:24] about* [23:24] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:24] Wurm: in that case either learn || it's not that important. ;) [23:25] tsccof: slackpkg is trying to install the 2.6.6 pkg it found over my current 2.6.6. Is there a way to stop it? [23:25] tsccof: It stopped at a prompt asking me about configuration files. [23:26] Wurm: keep the old files [23:26] Wurm: press K [23:27] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] tsccof: It stopped now I'm going to assume it's done. [23:27] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:30] tsccof: How would I go about launching Pidgin in the Terminal? [23:30] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [23:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Wurm: you open up the terminal [23:31] pidgin [23:31] Eh. I suppose it didn't matter because I didn't change the version at all. [23:31] Wurm: type 'pidgin' and enter [23:31] CelestialWurm: true, it is still 2.6.6 [23:31] tsccof: 'pidgin' is in my path then, I take it? [23:31] Wurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:31] CelestialWurm: pidgin's binary is in /usr/bin [23:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Ah. [23:32] Interesting... [23:32] CelestialWurm: every time you run simply 'pidgin' on a terminal, it looks for the binary in /usr/bin and gives you Pidgin [23:32] byteframe 's loving transcode and friends. [23:33] CelestialWurm: you will soon find out some packages, when manually compiled, do not allow you to run "make install' [23:33] CelestialWurm: in some cases, it is not specified in the makefile [23:33] CelestialWurm: but the binary code was already generated [23:33] CelestialWurm: so we have a 'install' command, that simply moves this binary(that we must point out) to /usr/bin [23:34] CelestialWurm: the same way we have an uninstall command, that removes binaries from /usr/bin [23:34] 'make' creates the binary I take it then? [23:34] CelestialWurm: you should not, however, remove software this way, use pkgtools or slackpkg instead [23:34] CelestialWurm: yes [23:34] CelestialWurm: but SlackBuilds actually create packages, making it a lot easier for the end-user to handle software [23:35] tsccof: I generally always go to SBO before considering anything for installing from source. [23:35] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [23:35] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Quit: Reversia Media Productions - DeluxeGrrl.com && KeepingYouHonest.com [23:35] I seem to have ruined mysql [23:35] Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' [23:35] CelestialWurm: in case you do install from source one day, always move the sources to /usr/src or any other folder you like [23:35] Anyone know what I should do next? [23:35] CelestialWurm: keep the sources folder, so, after installing, you can always run "make uninstall" for easily organising things [23:36] tsccof: Thanks for the tips :]. I think I'll just make a Sources dir in my Home. [23:36] tsccof: In order to keep everything organized. [23:37] CelestialWurm: np mate, Slack's community is great, enjoy it and have fun [23:37] tsccof: So at the moment I can only wait for Pat to compile Pidgin 2.7 for me, or remove Pidgin 2.6.6 and install 2.7 from Source. [23:37] Correct? [23:37] CelestialWurm: correct [23:37] CelestialWurm: compiling pidgin from source is easy, though [23:38] CelestialWurm: you can also look for a SlackBuild [23:38] tsccof: Already have. They don't even have one for 2.6.6 because it comes with Slack 13. [23:38] CelestialWurm: true [23:39] CelestialWurm: but frankly, I am running Pidgin-2.7.0 and I have not seen many changes [23:39] CelestialWurm: must get going now, I am going to watch a film [23:39] tsccof: I think I will just compile it from Source tomorrow, I'm a bit tired at the moment. For future reference though, in order to remove the package it's just "uninstall pidgin" ? [23:39] CelestialWurm: no no, do not use uninstall [23:39] uninstallpkg ? [23:40] CelestialWurm: use removepkg pidgin, that will remove the package [23:40] tsccof: Remove, right! I apologize, I'm quite exhausted xD. I had a long day at work. [23:40] Thank you for all of your help! [23:40] CelestialWurm: np :) [23:40] Take care, enjoy the film. 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