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[00:21] <Styllles> anyone ever see this error
[00:21] <Styllles> Could not find Pear DB library ?
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[00:23] <quasar> google has
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[00:28] <blackorca_> Hello
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[00:29] <inspiron630> http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/stuff/california-prog.html
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[00:30] <quasar> inspiron630: what is that?
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[00:32] <inspiron630> ^ funny link, "california coding"
[00:32] <quasar> k
[00:32] <inspiron630> i got a good laugh
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[00:47] <mwnn> Hi, i am having trouble in configuring kmail to work with gmail's smtp server. I get the error msg "Transport gmail is invalid".
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[01:00] <MLanden_lap> y0 slackers....whuzzup?
[01:02] <deco> MLanden_lap: designing a site with gimp
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[01:03] <MLanden_lap> cool,deco
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[01:06] <deco> MLanden_lap: and you ?
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[01:07] <MLanden_lap> just chillin',deco...doni' little touch ups here and there with 13 and lxde
[01:07] <phoenix^> y0 MLanden_lap
[01:07] <MLanden_lap> s/doni/'doin
[01:07] <MLanden_lap> y0 pheonix^
[01:08] <phoenix^> MLanden_lap: How's lxde going for you?
[01:08] <MLanden_lap> great thanks
[01:08] <phoenix^> good to hear
[01:09] <deco> MLanden_lap: cool :)
[01:10] <deco> phoenix^: btw i managed to start building but i left it running for like 30 minutes it was berly 1% so i stopped lol my cpu can't do it :P
[01:11] <phoenix^> hahahaha
[01:14] <quasar> what specs?
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[01:15] <dimm0k> having some issues trying to set fonts in kmail...  i have the font set for message body, but i can't change anything for the message list...  no matter what i choose, it stays the same.  any ideas?
[01:15] <deco> quasar: 1.6ghz single core
[01:15] <quasar> deco: start it before you go to bed, with lots of luck (or really good participation) it should be done before you wake up .. it took my 1.2GHz machine (single core Sempron) about 6.5hrs
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[01:16] <quasar> participation? ... wrong word..
[01:16] Action: quasar starts thinking
[01:16] <deco> quasar: i might :P
[01:17] <quasar> planning !
[01:17] <deco> but for now i have to finish a job i have
[01:17] <quasar> hang on.. it's not a 1.3Ghz.. wtf is it ._.
[01:17] <MLanden_lap> building what?
[01:17] <quasar> 1.8GHz
[01:17] <quasar> MLanden_lap: KDE 4.3.1
[01:18] <quasar> "AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+" ftl
[01:18] <MLanden_lap> yup.....6 hours sounds 'bout right with a single core
[01:19] <MLanden_lap> gnome latest is 'bout the same I heard..give or take an hour or two...:D
[01:20] <quasar> I'm going to try it on this machine.. jump the -j up to 9 and let 'er rip.. just to see how long it takes .. then delete the packages
[01:20] <deco> quasar: 1.6ghz amd athlon xp-mobile :P
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[01:21] <deco> quasar: how about you send them to me :P
[01:21] <quasar> deco: so you've got more L2 cache than I do, might be a bit faster for you
[01:21] <deco> quasar: oh good :)
[01:21] <quasar> they'd be x64
[01:21] <deco> damn lol
[01:21] <quasar> actually.. screw it.. I'll do x32.. but you gotta find a host :)
[01:22] <MLanden_lap> that'll be like pushin' a shoppin' cart with no wheels....(X.....=-O.....X)
[01:22] <deco> quasar:hmmmm i have one but ftp is private
[01:22] <deco> quasar: i mean for uploading
[01:23] <quasar> I dont care what it is as long as I can write a script to delete the packages after I've upped them lol
[01:23] <deco> lol
[01:24] <quasar> if my vmware wasn't asking for a new key I'd start on it now.. but I'm lazy and dont want to get a new one
[01:25] <quasar> oh crap.. guess that means I have to download the x32 dvd huh?
[01:25] <deco> quasar: well hmmmmm you can't upload stuff to it but if you manage a way to send them to me  i can than upload them to my host account and let anyone download from there if they ask me
[01:26] <quasar> your CPU can't do x64?
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[01:26] <deco> quasar: nope
[01:27] <quasar> brb
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[01:29] <quasar> you probably should build them for the learning experience in it.. so that time you know the routine
[01:29] <MLanden_lap> brb
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[01:30] <deco> quasar: yeah i think you are right
[01:30] <phoenix^> deco: Just start it building before you go to bed, like quasar suggested. It should be done by morning.
[01:30] <phoenix^> or, have a nice error waiting for you in the morning.
[01:30] <quasar> +next .. my brain is begining to stop functioning.. I can't remember what I was going to do while I was brb
[01:31] <deco> phoenix^:  yeah lol
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[01:31] <phoenix^> quasar: haha
[01:31] <deco> phoenix^: is it harmful if you have your cpu like that running at full all night ?
[01:32] <godling> quasar: shouldn't have used that depleted uranium shell like that ;P
[01:32] <phoenix^> shouldn't be, no. Just set up a smoke detector in case it blows up. :P
[01:32] <quasar> godling: think you're right
[01:32] Action: godling watches quasar's teeth glow
[01:32] <quasar> deco: I'm no expert on laptops but.. fuck phoenix^ beat me to it
[01:32] <toastyto1st> how long do you thihnk it would take to install gentoo on my laptop
[01:33] <phoenix^> lol
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[01:33] <agentc0re> toastytoast: 10 million hours
[01:33] <phoenix^> my laptop uses a desktop CPU. It's awesome, and SO fast.
[01:33] <phoenix^> y0 agentc0re
[01:33] <toastytoast> lol
[01:34] Action: agentc0re never understands why those questions get asked here
[01:34] <phoenix^> toastytoast: Why gentoo?
[01:34] <toastytoast> i'm bored
[01:34] <godling> if you're bored, try lfs
[01:34] <godling> :D
[01:34] <Reticenti> aadoes anyone know why if I leave my slack box on for a while (~day) I can no longer ssh into it?
[01:34] <Reticenti> does*
[01:34] <phoenix^> godling: hahaha
[01:34] <deco> phoenix^: ok ill make sure to setup one :P
[01:35] <toastytoast> i know i need to compile everyhting from source but i also know that when done gentoo supose to be really nice
[01:35] <agentc0re> Reticenti: because it suspends or ram or hibernates?
[01:35] <agentc0re> s/or/to
[01:35] <toastytoast> anyway i mostlikly won;t
[01:35] <toastytoast> wont't*
[01:35] <Reticenti> agentc0re: i can still do stuff on the computer, but when i try to ssh, it timesout
[01:35] <agentc0re> hrmm.
[01:36] <Reticenti> and i've restarted sshd
[01:36] <agentc0re> i would check your logs, message and syslog.
[01:36] <Reticenti> stopped and started
[01:36] <Reticenti> where are the logs located/
[01:36] <agentc0re> /var/log
[01:37] <Reticenti> thanks
[01:37] <agentc0re> Reticenti: i think you might benefit from visiting http://slackbook.org
[01:38] Action: quasar hits agentc0re in the forhead with a http://slackbook.org
[01:38] <quasar> forehead? forhead? fourhead? fuck it I'm going to bed
[01:38] <agentc0re> fourbed
[01:38] <phoenix^> lol
[01:39] <Reticenti> what kind of things will be changed in the new version of the slackbook?
[01:39] <godling> lasers
[01:39] <agentc0re> phourhead.. geez.  lern to spel
[01:39] <slackmagic> Reticenti: my systems are on 24/7 and no issues here with ssh
[01:40] <agentc0re> the robot zombie Apocalypse.
[01:40] <Reticenti> slackmagic: that's weird, because if i leave my system on for more than about a day, I can no longer ssh into it
[01:41] <Reticenti> and once i restart, everything goes back to normal
[01:41] <taleon> Moin. :-)
[01:41] <Reticenti> and there were no ssh logs in /var/logs
[01:41] <BP{k}> Reticenti: slackware 13? or?
[01:41] <BP{k}> uptime: 05:40:51 up 227 days,  5:26,  6 users, <-- while that is slackware 12.2 .. no problem with ssh whatso ever
[01:42] <Reticenti> BP{k}: 13, yeah
[01:42] <agentc0re> Reticenti: look in message and syslog like i said earlier.  they may contain info about it.
[01:42] <Reticenti> ok
[01:43] <Reticenti> should i grep for ssh? or would it be called someting else?
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[01:44] <Reticenti> hmm
[01:45] <Reticenti> i'm looking at it, and I'm getting tons of requests for lots of names
[01:45] <Reticenti> yeah
[01:45] <Reticenti> someone is running a script to break my machine :\
[01:45] <BP{k}> Reticenti: running ssh on port 222?
[01:45] <BP{k}> 22*
[01:45] <Reticenti> no
[01:46] <Reticenti> on a different port
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[01:46] <Reticenti> but this person is hitting every port
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[01:46] <Reticenti> well, a lot of ports
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[01:46] <Reticenti> this scares
[01:47] <Reticenti> me
[01:47] <Reticenti> is this normal?
[01:47] <quasar> define "normal" ... normal as in the every day internet user? no.. normal as every day internet activity? yes if you're running sshd without an iptables setup that blocks them
[01:48] <quasar> oh, right.. I'm sleeping
[01:49] <phoenix^> so, you're sleep typing?
[01:49] <Reticenti> so without iptables setup, it's normal to have hundreds of connection attempts on you machine?
[01:49] <quasar> no, watching porn
[01:49] <quasar> er.. YES
[01:49] <phoenix^> lol
[01:49] <quasar> I am sleep typing.
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[01:49] <quasar> Reticenti: yes, beacuse your box is pretty much saying "HERE I AM !!! COME GET ME!!!"
[01:50] <Reticenti> ok
[01:50] <Reticenti> should i be worried?
[01:50] <quasar> no, you should be researching iptables
[01:50] <Reticenti> ok
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[01:51] <dimm0k> no one here uses kmail in slackware 13.0?
[01:52] <Rat409> think firebird might not positive tho
[01:52] <quasar> dimm0k: I do but only for the slackware maling lists
[01:52] <Rat409> tbird here
[01:52] <phoenix^> Rat409: off and on I do, yeah. I've been messing with thunderbird lately.
[01:53] <Rat409> ahh ok
[01:53] <dimm0k> quasar: are you able to configure the message list font at all?
[01:53] Action: deco uses alpine
[01:53] <phoenix^> Rat409: It'll be nice when tibrd 3 is released, I really like the tabbed interface.
[01:53] <quasar> haven't tried
[01:53] <phoenix^> s/tibrd/tbird/
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[01:54] <Rat409> phoenix^: yes altho for massive email lists alpine,mutt rock
[01:54] <quasar> I litterally open it for like 30 seconds and only when there's new mail (I do the email hosting so when there's mail in the mailbox I send a popup to KDE saying "Check your mail, fag")
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[01:54] <dimm0k> lolz
[01:55] <phoenix^> Rat409: haha, I've never really got a decent setup of alpine or mutt. :P
[01:56] <Rat409> me either but have read many articles and googled a ton lol,claws mail,sylpheed are good to
[01:56] <phoenix^> yeah, claws is unbelievably fast, it's rss handling sucks though. imo
[01:56] <Rat409> i usually grab a decent config,edit to my needs
[01:57] <Rat409> yuh haven't used claws in a while
[01:57] <phoenix^> It doesn't render most html e-mails well either (with the plugin) That is need sometimes for those e-mails that have html-only versions.
[01:58] <Rat409> yuh dillo isn't my fav
[01:58] <phoenix^> yeah, there's another plugin it has, but that isn't good either. gtkhtml2viewer
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[01:58] <phoenix^> There's a webkit plugin out there now for it, but that just crashes claws
[01:58] <Rat409> probly midori would work well
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[02:03] <Rat409> all you really need is like "firefox %f" i'd think set ffox to open a new tab
[02:04] <Rat409> i don't remember the plugin,but can usually edit or write a script i imagine
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[02:07] <Reticenti> I'm reading the slackbook, and when it has a command, such as /etc/inittab(5), does the 5 mean there are 5 arguements to that command?
[02:08] <sahko> man page section
[02:08] <sahko> man(1)
[02:09] <Reticenti> so, what's the number mean then?
[02:09] <sahko> doesnt sound so exciting does it? :)
[02:09] <BP{k}> ( sahko) man page section
[02:09] <godling> Reticenti: type "man 5 inittab"
[02:10] <godling> there are different sections of manpages
[02:11] <godling> for example section 3 is the linux programmer section
[02:11] <Reticenti> oh
[02:11] <BP{k}> Reticenti: obviously you need to go back and read chapter 2.1.1.
[02:11] <BP{k}> http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#HELP-SYSTEM-MAN
[02:11] <Reticenti> ah, i skipped that part
[02:12] <BP{k}> how's that working for you so far? ;)
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[02:13] <Reticenti> :P
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[02:15] <fire|bird> yikes, X crashed again. This time though, when it crashed before going back to the login screen, I seen a bunch of the same message, what I caught of it was CPU temerature threshold. :/
[02:16] <antiwire> shiz be heating
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[02:16] <fire|bird> This pc doesn't have a temp sensor for the cpu though.
[02:16] <quasar> fire|bird: it's your touch.. you have the same affect on me
[02:16] <Reticenti> does anyone know of a mirror for the slackbook pdf? the link on slackbook.org is broken
[02:17] <fire|bird> quasar: OHGODWHYME? :P
[02:17] <antiwire> holy crap http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ellora_cave16_001.jpg
[02:17] <antiwire> Reticenti: that might be a good sign
[02:17] <godling> Reticenti: no it isn't
[02:18] <Reticenti> hmm, then midori isn't allowing my to open it
[02:18] <antiwire> Reticenti: it could indicate a version bump...I hope so
[02:18] <antiwire> I'll by the new version if it goes to print
[02:18] <antiwire> by/buy
[02:19] <Rat409> Reticenti: http://xristina.uom.gr/~athang/guides/slack-book.pdf
[02:19] <godling> ftp://ftp.slackbook.org/pub/slackbook/slackbook-2.0.pdf
[02:19] <antiwire> http://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/balls_of_steel_f18_hornet_buzz.php
[02:19] <sahko> pdf link works here..
[02:19] <sahko> its the one godling pasted
[02:20] <Rat409> indeed,works here too
[02:20] <Rat409> he said it didn't load,maybe dns issue
[02:20] <fire|bird> heh, even though I got that message on the X crash, in /var/log/messages it says Sep 13 01:06:47 slackware kernel: [48906.486620] CPU0: Temperature/speed normal
[02:20] <Reticenti> i think midori doesnt know how to handle ftp sites
[02:20] <Reticenti> i just wget it
[02:21] <Reticenti> (wgot it?)
[02:21] <godling> antiwire: That guy is bright. :P
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[02:22] <antiwire> freaking awesome
[02:22] <BP{k}> Reticenti: ftp://ftp.slackbook.org/pub/slackbook/slackbook-2.0.pdf <-- that doesn't work?
[02:23] <BP{k}> oops  too late :)
[02:23] Action: BP{k} buggers off for sleep .. g'night all :)
[02:23] <fire|bird> night BP{k} :)
[02:23] <godling> see ya
[02:23] <Reticenti> nn
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[02:26] <mank> hi
[02:26] Action: mank likes slackware
[02:26] <godling> but do you LOVE it?
[02:26] <mank> beats Arch.
[02:26] <antiwire> you don't like it. you've just hit the second stage
[02:26] <antiwire> obsession.
[02:27] <mank> I have a volume knob/dial next to the headphones jack on my laptop.  What kernel modules is required to use it?
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[02:27] <mank_> hi
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[02:28] <antiwire> mank: does it click or is its motion smooth?
[02:28] <mank> no click, motion smooth.
[02:28] <antiwire> (2009-09-12 23:27:46) antiwire: mank: does it click or is its motion smooth?
[02:28] <antiwire> -_-
[02:28] Action: antiwire steps away from the wheel
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[02:29] Action: godling yanks the wheel and lands antiwire in the lurch
[02:29] <antiwire> it's bike ride time
[02:29] Action: eviljames is the wheel
[02:29] <byteframe> Quack Life.
[02:30] <godling> antiwire: don't forget to turn your lights off
[02:31] <fire|bird> lol
[02:31] <eviljames> I keep spitting on my neighbor's house.
[02:31] <godling> ew.
[02:31] <Rat409> found this among google hits  http://rlworkman.net/slackshowbrasil/slackware.pdf
[02:31] <eviljames> well, i'm a few floors above him.  and he deserves it.
[02:32] <Reticenti> Rat409: thanks, but i already got it :\
[02:32] <byteframe> Rat409, interesting.
[02:32] <Rat409> a diff one robbie's presentation apparently,from a past one
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[02:33] <Reticenti> is it possible to change pages from within the man program?
[02:34] <eviljames> it's not even hip to be a ^2.
[02:34] <eviljames> he was foolin himself
[02:34] <eviljames> Reticenti: press 'q' then man <topic/program/file/etc>
[02:35] <fire|bird> heh, sucks to be the owener of that porsche http://www.break.com/index/bus-slams-into-illegally-parked-porsche.html
[02:35] <Reticenti> so i have to exit man to change from say page 1 to pg 3?
[02:35] <fire|bird> s/owener/owner/
[02:36] <byteframe> s/powner/boner
[02:39] <blackorca> Anyone using fbpanel, perlpanel, or whatever and have any things you dislike/would prefer? (just a general question)
[02:39] <Rat409> Reticenti: good if you read lots of man pages  http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/sdeg/colorized_manpages.htm
[02:41] <blackorca> I'm considering writing one just for personal use, and I'm trying to think of other ideas for a panel
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[02:42] <godling> s/"most"/"less"/
[02:42] <byteframe> blackorca, play computer games instead.
[02:42] <blackorca> byteframe, :P
[02:42] <byteframe> ALl but gnome-panel can wait.
[02:42] <blackorca> You like gnome-panel?
[02:42] <Reticenti> Rat409: so just put export PAGER="most" in my bashrc?
[02:42] <byteframe> Yeah.
[02:43] <sahko> http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/569-colored-manpages.html much better
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[02:44] <blackorca> byteframe, do you use many plugins for gnome-panel?
[02:44] <Rat409> well you need to source your .bashrc in .bash_profile cause slack checks it first
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[02:45] <byteframe> 2xsystem-monitor, cpufreq, weather  clock and volume. not much.
[02:45] <sahko> sorry wrong link http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/572-less-colors-for-man-pages.html
[02:45] <Reticenti> i think i already did the sourcing, becase now my man pages are pretty
[02:45] <Rat409> cool
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[02:46] <blackorca> byteframe, well I have certain things that I want to emphasize on my panel
[02:46] <blackorca> audio controls, omg
[02:47] <byteframe> blackorca, pulseaudio (yuck) in gnomeslackbuild
[02:47] <Rat409> yuh that less colors page is good too. i used most myself
[02:47] <blackorca> byteframe, using OSS right now, so pulseaudio wouldn't work
[02:47] <byteframe> blackorca, why not alsa?
[02:48] <blackorca> just to try it out
[02:49] <blackorca> turns out multichannel actually works on it on my soundcard whereas alsa didn't
[02:49] <blackorca> probably a config issue, though
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[02:49] <byteframe> ossv4?
[02:49] <blackorca> yeah
[02:49] <byteframe> fancy pants.
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[02:50] <blackorca> but the panel is like my system control
[02:50] <byteframe> kde?
[02:50] <blackorca> byteframe, too resource-intensive
[02:50] <byteframe> kde is the trash.
[02:51] <blackorca> I want my panel to control everything as a user, but still be compact
[02:51] <sahko> blackorca: you're using oss in slackware?
[02:51] <blackorca> sahko, yes
[02:51] <sahko> sounds like a lot of work
[02:51] <blackorca> I'd give you my slackbuild, but I doubt you'd want to use it ;)
[02:51] <blackorca> it's not clean
[02:52] <sahko> no i wouldnt:)
[02:52] <blackorca> it's not too difficult, I just blacklisted the appropriate soundcard module, installed oss, and it works
[02:53] <blackorca> packaging oss is a little more difficult
[02:53] <byteframe> neither is my finger.
[02:53] <sahko> yes but slackware specifically uses alsa on all build scripts i remember seeing
[02:53] <sahko> so you dont get sound from many apps
[02:53] <blackorca> sahko, well in that case, maybe not
[02:53] <blackorca> sahko, xmms, mplayer, various games, all work so far
[02:53] <sahko> but might be wrong. dont remember how many apps do that
[02:54] <blackorca> granted, xmms's plugin is out of date so the volume controls don't work
[02:54] <sahko> one is rdesktop for example
[02:54] <blackorca> sorry if I sound off tonight, I'm just a little bit baked
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[02:55] <blackorca> but anyway, I'd give more focus to audio control in the panel
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[02:56] <Reticenti> hmm, i should try to get samba running
[02:57] <Knightingale> hey guys i've lots my pointer in x. any idea how go get it back
[02:57] <quasar> Reticenti: you stop those attacks yet?
[02:57] <Knightingale> s/lots/lost
[02:57] <sahko> maybe its been banished
[02:58] <Reticenti> theyve stopped quasar
[02:58] <Reticenti> they stopped 2 days ago when i changed the ssh port and disabled root login
[02:58] <quasar> Reticenti: for now, the next one will be there soon
[02:59] <Knightingale> not sure but i want to close all the windows properly cause i have some save some stuff
[02:59] <Reticenti> sigh
[03:00] <Reticenti> should i pretty much follow this, quasar ?
[03:00] <Reticenti> http://www.slackbook.org/html/security-host.html
[03:01] <quasar> yep
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[03:01] <sahko> Reticenti: maybe http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ will help
[03:02] <Rat409> try alienbobs easy fw generator and read up on iptables
[03:02] <quasar> it's very basic though
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[03:03] <Reticenti> i've read up a little on iptables
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[03:05] <Rat409> Reticenti:   i use the netsecl fw script its good. was convenient,but i can set iptables manually. but this is easy/fast  http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Networking/NetSecL-Firewall-14234.shtml
[03:05] <Rat409> kmyfirewall is good for rolling your own
[03:05] <antiwire> back
[03:05] <antiwire> 6.5mi
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[03:06] <Rat409> and kmyfirewall has wizard or iptables rukeset views
[03:06] <Reticenti> so would you reccomend alien bobs or netsecl, or kmyfirewal? I dont know much about networking
[03:07] <Reticenti> i know basic networking, but not thefine details
[03:07] <Rat409> whatever you prefer i use netsecl script personally
[03:07] Action: quasar would go with alienBOB's if any of them
[03:07] <Rat409> mines just a laptop setup no servers etc..
[03:07] <quasar> simply because he's known to slackware
[03:08] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:08] <Rat409> its open source i read the script. but do whatevers comfortable,kmyfirewall may be slackpkg'able if not on dvd install
[03:09] <quasar> sure you can, but can he?
[03:09] <Rat409> yuh,point taken
[03:09] <quasar> I can.. hell I dont use any scripts, I build it using pico..
[03:09] <Rat409> always best to learn
[03:09] <quasar> doesn't mean I trust them more than a person on the slackware team who is right here and would probably answer any question I might have about it :)
[03:09] <Reticenti> sahko: in alien bob's script, when i choose gatewall/firewall, what does the internal network IP address mean?
[03:10] <sahko> Reticenti: read this too: http://carrier.lizella.net/networking_101.txt
[03:11] <byteframe> Sluckwere
[03:12] <antiwire> I saw three people getting DUIs tonight
[03:12] <antiwire> I was not one of them
[03:12] <Rat409> good deal
[03:13] <byteframe> He might have still be drinking and driving,
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[03:14] <quasar> he's telling the truth.. he got a DWI
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[03:15] <antiwire> lol
[03:15] <Reticenti> an NFS server is like samba, right?
[03:15] <antiwire> like but not
[03:15] <antiwire> NFS is NFS and samba is smb/cifs
[03:15] <godling> Reticenti: It's a network file system
[03:16] <godling> Reticenti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_file_system
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[03:17] <antiwire> Reticenti: when you see samba think 'Linux, Windows, MAC networked filesystem interoperability out of the box'
[03:17] <antiwire> 'and stuff'
[03:17] <godling> or not
[03:17] <mancha> i just read netsecl's script (some of the stuff is the basic code thats been floating around for years so not original).
[03:17] <Reticenti> ok
[03:17] <mancha> and it doesn't look bad. it is an input-based fw (ie outgoing is not checked)
[03:18] <byteframe> Reticenti, samba easier.
[03:18] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:18] <godling> or not
[03:18] <Reticenti> so, i just used alien bobs iptable script
[03:18] <SiegeX> if you are going to use iptables, you really aught to do yourself the favor and learn how it works. its really not so hard
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[03:21] <mrselfpwn> how does a file manager (such as thunar) mount external drives as a normal user?
[03:21] <godling> mrselfpwn: it's a very complex protocol
[03:22] <mrselfpwn> is it possible from command line?
[03:22] <godling> mrselfpwn: first the file manager has to go to a pub
[03:22] <byteframe> mrselfpwn, thunar-volman, and user be in plugdev group
[03:22] <mrselfpwn> bytefram: thank you.
[03:22] <godling> sorry, bad joke
[03:23] <antiwire> 283 people just typed 'groups'
[03:23] <Rat409> lol
[03:23] <mrselfpwn> how many slackers does it take to anwser a question?  Two.  One to answer and one to be a smart ass.
[03:23] <godling> antiwire: eh?
[03:23] <mancha> cli you have a few options...one is to sudo the mount command
[03:23] <byteframe> Oh snap!
[03:23] <mrselfpwn> mancha yes
[03:23] <quasar> antiwire: 282.. I was typing "virgin goat ..." into google
[03:23] <antiwire> lol
[03:24] <mrselfpwn> mancha:  I'm planning to do away with xfce and just use xmonad and was wondering if I could have it automount any usb device using a command as normal user.
[03:24] <mancha> your DE is likely invoiking the powerr of dbus which joins forces with hal to do your mount magic
[03:25] <godling> mrselfpwn: you can use dbus/hal
[03:25] <antiwire> with those forces combined, they are CAPTAIN MOUNTER
[03:25] <mrselfpwn> hmm
[03:25] <godling> antiwire: sounds like a gay porn title
[03:25] <mrselfpwn> lol
[03:25] <godling> mrselfpwn: do you watch video full screen?
[03:25] <antiwire> I did some math today
[03:25] <godling> mrselfpwn: I had problems with that using xmonad
[03:25] <Reticenti> well, got iptables running
[03:26] <SiegeX> don't be the guy with the heart ring, he got shafted
[03:26] <godling> for real
[03:26] <godling> SiegeX: he had a monkey, though
[03:26] <byteframe> I bought a hard drive and for 5 bucks I got some cheap chinese 2.5/3.5 inch SATA/PATA to USB doo dad. It's invaluable.
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[03:26] <hoary> i
[03:26] <antiwire> to make Canada feel like California when you walk around, all of Canada would need to have ~750 million people.
[03:26] <hoary> hi
[03:26] <antiwire> think about that
[03:26] <mrselfpwn> godling: oh yeah?
[03:26] <godling> byteframe: it's worth $5 :P
[03:26] <mrselfpwn> well I was debating on which tiling window manager to use.
[03:26] <byteframe> godling, makes for easy backups.
[03:27] <mancha> Reticenti the next step is to check if your fw works, try piercing it
[03:27] <SiegeX> unless that ring can drop panties on command but I didn't get that impression from the espisodes I saw
[03:27] <Reticenti> mancha: how would i go about doing that?
[03:27] <godling> mrselfpwn: yeah I had to tinker with layouts to make it work the way I wanted it to
[03:27] <mancha> do you have access to another linux box (remote)?
[03:27] <mrselfpwn> hmm
[03:27] <Reticenti> yeah
[03:27] <mancha> use it to nmap your current box
[03:27] <Reticenti> ok
[03:28] <Reticenti> (nmap myip)?
[03:28] <godling> Reticenti: try nmap -A -T4 <your ip>
[03:29] <Reticenti> ok
[03:29] <mancha> more like nmap -P0 sT -p1-5000
[03:29] <mancha> fix my typos and you're good
[03:29] <SiegeX> just go to that grc.com site
[03:29] <godling> that works SiegeX :)
[03:29] <godling> shield's up
[03:29] <Reticenti> ah yeah
[03:29] <mancha> mayb it is -PN now...forget
[03:30] <godling> yeah
[03:30] <godling> dunno if you can still use -P0
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[03:31] <Reticenti> Starting Nmap 4.62 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2009-09-13 00:31 PDT
[03:31] <Reticenti> Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -PN
[03:31] <Reticenti> Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 1.035 seconds
[03:32] <Reticenti> thats prolly good righT?
[03:32] <Rat409> or this nmap -T4 -A -v -PE -PS22,25,80 -PA21,23,80,3389
[03:32] <godling> Reticenti: try using -PN like it suggests
[03:32] <Reticenti> nmap -A -T4 -PN <ip>?
[03:33] <Rat409> yuh
[03:33] <mrselfpwn> I wonder why links is built with no X graphics support by default.
[03:33] <mancha> mrselfpwn i saw that thread here yesterday or day before and didn't realize since i don't use links. yeah, funny default config.
[03:34] <Reticenti> i want my ports to be on stealth mode, right?
[03:34] <mancha> stealth means there's no indication they even exist
[03:34] <Rat409> yes
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[03:34] <Reticenti> i'm doing the grc shields up thing, and everything is green (aka stealth)
[03:34] <mrselfpwn> yes, it was me trying to get it to work. heh  I got it now and glad not to have to install dillo or such
[03:34] <Reticenti> ok
[03:34] <Rat409> gathered that :)
[03:35] <SiegeX> if you have one open port, then really stealth is just as good as if they all said 'closed'
[03:35] <Reticenti> and when i do nmap with -PN, it doesnt do anything after that
[03:35] <Reticenti> jst has starting nmap
[03:35] <godling> man pages are fscking awesome with color
[03:35] <hoary> i set kde (as root) via xwmconfig.  but slackware doesn't automattically start at boot.  I still have to startx after logging in.
[03:35] <mancha> msrself, aha, ok it was you. so how is it with X enabled?
[03:35] <SiegeX> now what you could do is use a little iptables magic and a barebones tcp server and make it so that iptables basically lies at random on which ports are open.
[03:36] <mancha> hoary, you need to change your default runlevel for that
[03:36] <hoary> im at 3
[03:36] <Rat409> yuh /etc/inittab
[03:36] <hoary> should i be at 5 ?
[03:36] <mancha> hoary, you need to change your default runlevel for that
[03:36] <Reticenti> lol, why would i want to do that SiegeX ?
[03:36] <godling> links with xgraphics? I couldn't imagine
[03:37] <mrselfpwn> mancha: very cool.  I was looking for a very lightweight browser for misc stuff that wasn't as big as firefox and a little more well graphical than regular links.
[03:37] <SiegeX> well if you have to have open ports, say 22, 80, 21 etc. then a portscan gathers no real data since they have to sift through what nmap suggests are open ports but really aren't
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[03:37] <Reticenti> ah
[03:37] <mancha> what does it use to render the graphics?
[03:37] <mrselfpwn> and I used links -g in non-X console and it worked great for my need
[03:37] <mancha> svgalib?
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[03:37] <Reticenti> yeah, i dont think i'll be doing that
[03:37] <mrselfpwn> mancha: svgalib I believe
[03:38] <Reticenti> i only have 256mb of ram on this box atm
[03:38] <Reticenti> i have almost no spare room for apps in the background
[03:38] <mancha> mrself, you've got me curious, maybe i'll make it here too
[03:39] <Rat409> well time flys. night everyone,all be well peace
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[03:39] <godling> later ra
[03:39] <godling> heh
[03:39] <quasar> Reticenti: you could always set up your iptables script to block a host based on the number of connects per (second|minute|hour)
[03:40] <mrselfpwn> mancha: yes I love it and very lightweight.
[03:40] <godling> what does links look like with xgraphics enabled?
[03:40] <mancha> the higher these firefox version numbers get the more attractive a primarily-text-based browser becomes
[03:40] <Reticenti> quasar: i'll do that if i get a lot of people connecting to me
[03:41] <Reticenti> trying to connect to me*
[03:41] <mrselfpwn> mancha: yes
[03:41] <godling> is your machine behind a router?
[03:41] <godling> Reticenti: ^^
[03:41] <mancha> it's getting to the point that if you don't have quad-core with 1TB of ram, you can't read the news online  :)
[03:41] <Reticenti> yeah, i have a router
[03:41] <godling> mancha: no it isn't
[03:41] <mrselfpwn> lol.  I agree.  I'm on a netbook so I really feel it.
[03:41] <godling> mancha: luddite :P
[03:42] <Reticenti> mancha: how an i reading the news? i'm running X and a browser wth 256mb of ram :P
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[03:46] <hoary> that didn't work.  I still had to type startx.  slackware 12.2
[03:46] <hoary> i set it to runlevel 5
[03:46] <Reticenti> i'm running midori, and it's lightweight, and only takes around 50mb of ram
[03:46] <mancha> use 4
[03:46] <hoary> ok, i always  thought 4 was unused.
[03:46] <mancha> it is distrib specif
[03:47] <mancha> specific, in slack 5 is unused
[03:47] <mrselfpwn> 4 is for for that hoary
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[03:48] <godling> mancha: all the good news sites have rss :)
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[03:49] <mancha> thats true, rss is a good thing to have
[03:49] <mancha> i am still looking for a good app that'll hang windowloess on a desktop and scroll ticker style
[03:49] <adeodatus> How to unlock a frozen window in screen?
[03:49] <Reticenti> that'd be one hell of a conky scipt
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[03:50] <godling> yeah, use conky mancha
[03:50] <mancha> then you get the conky overhead which is a bit much for just scrolling text
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[03:50] <Reticenti> through some cool graphs of you hdd space left, and call it good, then, mancha
[03:50] <godling> < mancha> let them eat cake!
[03:50] <godling> ;P
[03:51] <godling> mancha: have you looked through any apps like that?
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[03:52] <mancha> not tried too much, seems most try to hang inside a browser or else are these overdone menu-driven full GUI things
[03:52] <godling> you could always write your own
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[03:52] <mancha> i am hoping one day when i say this someone here will say, "have you triedxrsstickerlight, mancha?"
[03:53] <godling> well you know people are likely to hit google the minute you mention it :P
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[03:54] <mancha> yeah maybe it wouldn't be a very long thing to write in perl with the right helper modules
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[03:55] <fire|bird> Just use snownews in a borderless terminal on the desktop, maybe it could be set to auto update or something. :P
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[03:56] <MLanden_lap> y0 slackers..how's everyone?
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[03:57] <mancha> hrmm, going to google snownews, thanks for the tip
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[03:57] <MLanden_lap> mancha: the rss reader?
[03:58] <mancha> yep
[03:58] <fire|bird> mancha: yw. Not sure if it'll do what you're looking for, but it's a nice cli rss viewer
[03:59] <fire|bird> mancha: There's also an adobe air rss viewer, called snackr, that sits on the desktop and scrolls, not sure how well that works though.
[03:59] <MLanden_lap> java based,I think
[03:59] <fire|bird> If you used kde4, there's a nice plasmoid for scrolling rss feeds :)
[03:59] <mancha> i presume it is a binary blob right? those don't make it past my antivirus program (me)
[03:59] <fire|bird> MLanden_lap: yup.
[03:59] <fire|bird> haha, probably
[04:00] <Reticenti> do you read the source code of every thing you install, mancha ?
[04:00] <mancha> no, but i like to know that i can if i want to
[04:00] <Reticenti> ah
[04:01] <mancha> and that ther's a whole community that had access to it too
[04:01] <Reticenti> yeah
[04:02] <MLanden_lap> liferea's 'nother rss reader
[04:02] <byteframe> with slackbuilds
[04:03] <fire|bird> mancha: Do you have FF open alot at all? There's an addon that scrolls FF's live bookmarks (rss feeds) below the status bar.
[04:03] <MLanden_lap> it's nice....but it can bog it down on connections
[04:04] <mancha> fire, yeah i am considering nuking ff, that's why i am looking for this standalone
[04:05] <fire|bird> mancha: ok. heh, which browser are you going to use if you nuke FF? :P
[04:05] <MLanden_lap> snownews seems the best candidate between a console on x or just the console
[04:05] <mancha> links with X support
[04:06] <mancha> liferea screenshots look nice, a bit much for me though - gonna try snownews
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[04:06] <godling> mancha: are you using a 486 or something?
[04:06] <mancha> :)
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[04:07] <fire|bird> mancha: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Internet/HTTP-WWW-/Backstage-RSS-Ticker-10160.shtml <----sort of outdated, but might still work.
[04:07] <godling> 386?
[04:07] <godling> XT?
[04:07] <mrselfpwn> godling: what was your problem/fix with xmonad and video in fullscreen mode?
[04:07] <fire|bird> godling: he's using an old Apple II he modded for slackware. :P
[04:07] <godling> fire|bird: seriously?
[04:08] <mancha> using a 2.6.30.5-6502.patch
[04:08] <fire|bird> godling: haha, no.
[04:08] <godling> :P
[04:08] <godling> that would be fucking awesome right?
[04:08] <MLanden_lap> he's Chuck.....can create a load gimp and make a full blown presentation on an etch-a-sketch...:D
[04:08] <fire|bird> godling: yeah
[04:08] <MLanden_lap> s/a/and
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[04:12] <mrselfpwn> mancha: if you are planning to nude FF altogether and want something just a little more advanced than links -g you can check out hv3.  It's lightweight, has tab support, and renders most websites very well.  It does require you set a savestate option switch to have it save bookmorks/history and such.
[04:12] <godling> mrselfpwn: http://code.google.com/p/xmonad/issues/detail?id=228
[04:12] <mrselfpwn> s/nude/nuke :P
[04:12] <godling> s/nuke/nude/
[04:12] <godling> !
[04:13] <mancha> mrself, thanks, will look into it
[04:13] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: hv3, I've never heard of that one.
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[04:13] <mrselfpwn> yes, I mention that over dillo as it actually displays site better than dillo.  distrowatch.org is a good example.
[04:14] <godling> oh wow
[04:14] <godling> tk
[04:14] <godling> *bleh*
[04:14] <MLanden_lap> mrselfpwn: What's the deps of hv3?
[04:14] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: cool, I'll check it out too. :)
[04:15] <mrselfpwn> it's a standalone bintcl
[04:15] <MLanden_lap> cool
[04:15] <fire|bird> mancha: If snownews and whatever else you try doesn't work, maybe something could be hacked together with feedparser from SBo.
[04:15] <fire|bird> It's python
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[04:16] <mrselfpwn> says "everything is statically linked so there are no dependencies"
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[04:16] <godling> haha holy crap, last release of hv3 was in 2007
[04:17] <fire|bird> lol
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[04:17] <mrselfpwn> maybe but it works well so I guess they use the "if it aint broke..." motto
[04:17] <fire|bird> I just built links with x support, that's really nice.
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[04:18] <mrselfpwn> yes :)
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[04:18] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: not to mention, fast. :P
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[04:19] <mrselfpwn> yeppers
[04:19] <godling> hv3 must be pretty bug-free code
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[04:19] <mrselfpwn> don't have time to boil 3 eggs and brew a pot of coffee like when FF loads
[04:20] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: I have been using FF lately with some tweaks, including enabling TraceMonkey.
[04:20] <godling> firefox doesn't take that long to load
[04:20] <fire|bird> wb mancha
[04:20] <fire|bird> godling: not here it doesn't
[04:20] <mancha> thanks, firefox killed my connection
[04:20] <mancha> (j/k)
[04:20] <fire|bird> haha
[04:20] <godling> better than killing your brother
[04:20] <mrselfpwn> well, i'm an addon connoisseur.
[04:20] <MLanden_lap> just got to watch them extensions...they're pretty eye candy..but whoah boy
[04:21] <fire|bird> I had 64 addons installed once, 3.5 handled that quite well, but did slow down a bit.
[04:21] <mancha> you know you're in trouble when you need to install the addon-manager addon  :)
[04:21] <MLanden_lap> did it burn the coffee,fire|bird?...:P
[04:21] <mrselfpwn> yes, I like the addons of FF when I need them.  but for a quick google search i don't
[04:22] <godling> I've got 7 addons installed :P
[04:22] <godling> 3 are turned off right now
[04:22] <mrselfpwn> lol mancha
[04:22] <fire|bird> MLanden_lap: haha, pitch black. :P
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[04:22] <MLanden_lap> fire|bird: yummy...lol
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[04:23] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: dang, hv3 is fast.
[04:23] <mrselfpwn> and the main reason for most of my FF addons are to make more viewing space on my netbook
[04:23] <mrselfpwn> fire|bird yes
[04:25] <mrselfpwn> just remember if you want to save your bookmarks and what not you need to give the --savestate=<file> option
[04:26] <fire|bird> mancha: another cli one is http://raggle.org/
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[04:28] <The-Croupier> greetings
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[04:28] <godling> hi
[04:28] <The-Croupier> hows it going?
[04:28] <godling> it's skewed
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[04:28] <The-Croupier> yeah?!
[04:28] <The-Croupier> how come?
[04:29] <godling> my laptop's at a ~30 degree angle :)
[04:29] <godling> my head is not
[04:29] <The-Croupier> ;)
[04:29] <The-Croupier> nice
[04:30] <MLanden_lap> that's a pretty cool one,fire|bird
[04:30] <godling> aw, raggles are cute
[04:31] <Reticenti> how can i make it so that more than one program can control the sound card at once?
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[04:32] <Reticenti> like right now, if i have xmms and ff open, only one of them can make sound
[04:32] <mrselfpwn> Reticenti: are you on Slackware 13 ?
[04:32] <Reticenti> yeah
[04:33] <mrselfpwn> what type audio card?
[04:33] <mancha> hey raggle looks nice and clean
[04:33] <Reticenti> uhh, then one on the mobo
[04:35] <mrselfpwn> lspci |grep Audio
[04:35] <Reticenti> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[04:35] <mrselfpwn> i see
[04:36] <mrselfpwn> okay, have a nice day.
[04:36] <Reticenti> is it difficult to do on that one?
[04:36] <godling> Reticenti: are you using a sound server? is XMMS using Alsa or OSS?
[04:36] <Reticenti> pretty sure it's alsa, i havent installed oss
[04:37] <fire|bird> mancha: Also, if you don't mind installing screenlets, it has a few rss feed viewers that sit on the desktop, although they probably don't scroll or anything. Raggle does look very nice though.
[04:38] <fire|bird> Anyway, time to get going. Later everyone.
[04:38] <Reticenti> cya fire|bird
[04:38] <godling> Reticenti: check in the xmms preferences
[04:38] <godling> later fire|bird
[04:38] <fire|bird> see ya Reticenti
[04:38] <fire|bird> later godling :)
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[04:38] <Reticenti> oh, xmms is actually using oss
[04:38] <godling> OH SHI
[04:38] <godling> I would never have guessed. ;P
[04:38] <Reticenti> oh snap son
[04:38] <mrselfpwn> ^^
[04:39] <Reticenti> oss bad?
[04:39] <godling> just old
[04:39] <Reticenti> ah
[04:40] <mrselfpwn> Reticenti: have you tried Audacious?
[04:40] <godling> Reticenti: play a song in xmms and try to listen to a video or something
[04:40] <Reticenti> ok, it works now
[04:40] <Reticenti> woo
[04:41] <Reticenti> audacious>?
[04:41] <godling> audio player
[04:41] <Reticenti> i have 256mg of ram, remember?
[04:41] <Reticenti> big apps make my computer hurt
[04:41] <mrselfpwn> audacious is small like xmms
[04:41] <Reticenti> oh
[04:41] <godling> mpd is smaller
[04:41] <godling> :P
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[04:41] Action: mrselfpwn uses cmus
[04:41] <Reticenti> how about i just cat the mp3s and read the file directly?
[04:42] <Reticenti> :P
[04:42] <MLanden_lap> Reticenti: you've got swap space,right?
[04:42] <godling> they wouldn't sound right Reticenti
[04:42] <Reticenti> yeah, i have a gig of swap
[04:42] <Reticenti> its just slow
[04:42] <godling> mrselfpwn: I use mpd and I have media keys on my laptop that I've got mapped to mpc next, mpc prev, etc :)
[04:42] <mrselfpwn> nice
[04:43] <mrselfpwn> godling: have you tried cmus?
[04:43] <godling> no I have not
[04:43] <mrselfpwn> They are similar with some things I like about cmus better.
[04:44] <mrselfpwn> I think i've only tryed mpd once though.
[04:44] <mrselfpwn> I have a small script that updates conky with cmus' currently playing track.
[04:44] <godling> if I need a console interface I use ncmpc
[04:45] <mrselfpwn> yes that is the one I tried
[04:45] <godling> I tried amarok before and OMG it was scary
[04:45] <Reticenti> lol
[04:45] <MLanden_lap> hefty..hefty...hefty...godling...:P
[04:45] <godling> yes mrselfpwn
[04:45] <godling> *mlanden_lap
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[04:46] <godling> why do you people make me type more than one letter to tab complete? I hate you.
[04:46] <mrselfpwn> songbird is pretty nice if you need it.  I like the auto sorting feature it has
[04:46] <Reticenti> I should be able to upgrade my ram soon though
[04:47] <mrselfpwn> Reticenti:  what type ram?
[04:47] <Reticenti> ddr1
[04:47] <Reticenti> lol
[04:47] <mrselfpwn> oic
[04:47] <Reticenti> amd 3200
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[04:48] <Reticenti> but the ram i had on it went bad, and the only other ram i had was an old 256mb stick
[04:48] <godling> I should put more ram in my powermac g4
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[04:48] <godling> out of all my computers I love that case the most
[04:49] <mrselfpwn> i love that one the most out of all your computers too godling.
[04:49] <godling> are you sure?
[04:49] <mrselfpwn> yes
[04:49] <MLanden_lap> godling: what's the most memory you can put in that model?
[04:49] <godling> I also have a 486DX2
[04:50] <mrselfpwn> i haven't seen that one yet godling.
[04:50] <mrselfpwn> is it under the bed?
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[04:51] <godling> MLanden_lap: the wikipedia page says three sticks of up to 1.5 GiB
[04:51] Action: mrselfpwn puts on his brown stalker trench coat.
[04:52] <MLanden_lap> cool....knew it could take more than a gig..but not sure how much more
[04:52] <godling> mrselfpwn: no, there are just severed body parts under my bed
[04:52] <MLanden_lap> hmmm..late night snacking
[04:52] <godling> I bought it for $25 :P
[04:52] <MLanden_lap> sweet deal
[04:52] Action: mrselfpwn takes off his brown stalker trench coat.
[04:52] <MLanden_lap> X_X
[04:52] <godling> I hope you're wearing something underneath that
[04:52] <mrselfpwn> and is completely naked !
[04:53] <godling> "Look ma, I can swing it all the way around!"
[04:53] <mrselfpwn> Okay guys, let's RP.
[04:53] <MLanden_lap> anything wrong with the powermac when you got it,godling?
[04:53] <godling> no MLanden_lap
[04:54] <MLanden_lap> double sweet
[04:54] <godling> it belonged to my school
[04:54] <godling> there was an engineering department sale
[04:54] <godling> must've been over 200 monitors of various sizes
[04:54] <godling> OH
[04:54] <godling> and that's where I got my Model M keyboard <3
[04:55] <MLanden_lap> lucky bastard...lol
[04:55] <godling> the guy was hiding it in a cabinet for someone who would appreciate it
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[04:56] <mrselfpwn> oooo.  God's keyboard.
[04:56] <godling> well, I wouldn't have said it myself but thanks mrselfpwn ;P
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[04:56] <mrselfpwn> ^^
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[05:00] <The-Croupier> hiya guys, running current.. tried to install opera..i have qt4. but opera req. qt3 can these co-exist?
[05:00] <The-Croupier> or is there another  version of opera..or some option to build opera. in slack13
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[05:00] <mrselfpwn> yes they can co-exist
[05:01] <The-Croupier> getting error misssing library libqt-mt.so.3
[05:01] <The-Croupier> mrselfpwn: thanks
[05:01] <The-Croupier> ill try that
[05:01] <MLanden_lap> thought there was a qt4 version?
[05:02] <The-Croupier> MLanden_lap: there is
[05:02] <The-Croupier> mrselfpwn: where to find qt3? i cannot see it in sbo
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[05:02] <mrselfpwn> when i had it I found it in a repo somewhere
[05:02] <mrselfpwn> let me check i think i still have the link
[05:03] <The-Croupier> mrselfpwn: that would be awsome..
[05:04] <mrselfpwn> try here and if not then i'll look see if it's another
[05:04] <mrselfpwn> SOURCE=http://dogbert.no-root.org/slackware-12.2/:DEFAULT
[05:04] <mrselfpwn> and they may have a slackware-13 now
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[05:06] <The-Croupier> mrselfpwn: what do  you mean?
[05:07] <mrselfpwn> nvm they don't
[05:07] <mrselfpwn> The-Croupier:  One sec i'm finding it.
[05:09] <The-Croupier> mrselfpwn: im looking for it too... but i can see only qt4
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[05:11] <mrselfpwn> I used slapt-get to install it before.  Though I don't have slapt-get installed on this pc.
[05:11] <mancha> The-Croup/mrself, iirc there's a qt3 in extras/kde-compatt
[05:12] <Reticenti> alright, sfter doing my iptables earlier, i can no longer ping this machine from within the LAN
[05:12] <mrselfpwn> Yep
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[05:12] <mrselfpwn> that is where it is The-Croupier
[05:12] <Reticenti> but i still need ssh and samba access to this box
[05:13] <mrselfpwn> http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/slackware/slackware-current/
[05:13] <mrselfpwn> extra/kde3-compat
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[05:13] <godling> Reticenti: man iptables, open up the ports :D
[05:14] <Reticenti> ah
[05:14] <matt0> I still haven't upgraded to 13.0 on my desktop D:
[05:14] <godling> Reticenti: you can also allow only specific hosts access
[05:14] <The-Croupier> thanks guys.. ill install it right away..anything i need to be carefull about?
[05:14] <Reticenti> that would be better, godling
[05:14] <mrselfpwn> none that I know of
[05:15] <mancha> if its on the official package list i'd say you're pretty safe
[05:15] <godling> Reticenti: it's all in the manpage
[05:15] <Reticenti> is it possible to let one ip address have full access?
[05:16] <mrselfpwn> The-Croupier: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/  is the official link
[05:16] <mancha> iptables -A INPUT -i $LAN_IFACE -s $IP -j ACCEPT
[05:16] <mrselfpwn> though darkstar may be also. :)
[05:16] <mancha> put that before the other rules
[05:17] <Reticenti> thanks mancha
[05:17] <mancha> replace $LAN_IFACE with your lan interface (eth0, eth1, whatever) and $IP with the dotted quad lan ip
[05:17] <mrselfpwn> I vow not to use slapt-get this go round.
[05:17] <MLanden_lap> brb
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[05:18] <mrselfpwn> I vow to no longer stalk godling.
[05:19] <mrselfpwn> I will not lust after his keyboard. :)
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[05:19] <The-Croupier> why would you want an ip to have full access.. if you inject yourself in  the router with a specific ip you got from your wireshark...than its like having allowed all ips to have full access
[05:20] <Reticenti> they'd have to break my wpa first
[05:20] <Reticenti> and if they can do that, i'm screwed anyways
[05:20] <mancha> is your lan wireless based or hardwired?
[05:20] <Reticenti> wireless
[05:21] <The-Croupier> than they can do it quite nicely
[05:21] <The-Croupier> ;)
[05:21] <Reticenti> they would have o break my wpa though, wouldnt they?
[05:22] <mancha> as a general rule, you should opt for opening the ports you need versus opening it all
[05:22] <mancha> if you need ssh and smb(cifs) then open those ports only using the line i gave but specifying the destination port
[05:22] <Reticenti> ok
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[05:23] <Reticenti> i cant seem to get samba configured right..
[05:23] <Guest68745> grr, i'm getting that annoying thing where two applications can't output to the sound device at the same time, mplayer and firefox in this case.
[05:23] <Guest68745> ideas?
[05:23] Nick change: Guest68745 -> yesyes
[05:23] <Reticenti> change from oss to alsa
[05:24] <Reticenti> oh, nvm samba works, i was using the wrong slash in windows lol
[05:24] <Reticenti> yippee
[05:24] <mancha> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i 192.168.1.100 --dport 22 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT     (for ssh from 192.168.1.100)
[05:24] <Quiznos> morning
[05:25] <yesyes> thought i was using alsa, i've been using alsamixer to control the vol, anyway. lsmod shows the snd_* modules. i guess they're not alsa, then.
[05:25] <Reticenti> would that work for opening any port, mancha ?
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[05:25] <yesyes> morning Quiznos
[05:25] <Quiznos> hi
[05:25] <mancha> yes, change the 22 to the one you want
[05:25] <Reticenti> ok
[05:25] <Reticenti> how do i know what port samba is running on?
[05:25] <mancha> notice this is a tcp rule, so if you want to open a udp port you change that part too
[05:25] <Quiznos> original _Land of the Lost_; ABC saturday morning show
[05:26] <mancha> smb is 139 and another few, no?
[05:26] <mrselfpwn> Quiznos: woot! is it on now?
[05:26] <Quiznos> found on tube; googl knows.
[05:26] <godling> hulu knows
[05:26] <mancha> 139,445 prolly - don't know isn't that microsoft crap?  :)
[05:26] <Quiznos> sleestak
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[05:27] <Quiznos> original Holly and chaka
[05:27] <mrselfpwn> nice
[05:27] <mrselfpwn> I forgot my cable is out.
[05:27] <Quiznos> i'm enjoying it
[05:27] <Quiznos> you dont need cable
[05:27] <mrselfpwn> we have sat
[05:27] <mrselfpwn> actually
[05:27] <Quiznos> ah
[05:27] <Reticenti> well, i'm glad i got smba working
[05:27] <Quiznos> how fast is that to cable?
[05:28] <mancha> Retricent, opewn 139/445 tcp, and 137/137 udp
[05:28] <Reticenti> ok
[05:28] <Quiznos> grandma asked me about sat quality and safety and price over cable yesterday; i told her go for it
[05:28] <mrselfpwn> about the same.  my dad had trouble with his digital cable being slow until he updated his box.  the only thing about sat is if it storms you might lose signal;.
[05:28] <mancha> eek, 137/138 udep i meant
[05:29] <Quiznos> ok
[05:29] <mrselfpwn> price i'm not sure of though probably competetive
[05:29] <Quiznos> granma shuts her lectric stuff off during Fla. store
[05:29] <Quiznos> storm
[05:29] <mrselfpwn> heheh
[05:29] <Quiznos> well, locals advert prices 40$ less than Comcast
[05:29] <Quiznos> she's paying ~70$ now for just hd video
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[05:30] <Reticenti> thanks mancha
[05:30] <mancha> does it work now?  welcome.
[05:30] <Quiznos> and i've seen lower prices for dish
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[05:31] <mrselfpwn> yes.  Verizon also offers phone, internet, and television in some areas.
[05:31] <mrselfpwn> for like $109 starting price
[05:31] <Quiznos> yea but she's a luddite
[05:31] <Reticenti> mancha: do i need to put in wlan0 in the port opening command?
[05:31] <Quiznos> ~luddite
[05:31] <mrselfpwn> hehe
[05:31] <mancha> oops, i screwed up the line
[05:32] <mancha> let me paste the one for tcp/139 again
[05:32] <Reticenti> ok
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[05:32] <godling> Quiznos: that's a common theme amongst older peoples, in my experience
[05:33] <mancha> iptables -A INPUT -i wlan0 -p tcp -s 192.168.1.100 --dport 139 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT     [thats for 139 tcp]
[05:33] <Quiznos> yep; but her's started in the 70s at the hospital she worked at; they were installing digital equipment and she had a hissy fit :)
[05:33] <mancha> fix my ssh line, i typod and had -i 192... i think it should also look like this last 139 line with a 22 instead)
[05:34] <mancha> iptables -A INPUT -i wlan0 -p tcp -s 192.168.1.100 --dport 22 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT     [thats for ssh]
[05:35] <mrselfpwn> godling:  how do you have your xmonad set up as far as apps and hooks?
[05:35] <Reticenti> how would i allow everything on port 4567?
[05:36] <mancha> everything coming into 4567?
[05:36] <Reticenti> yeah
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[05:36] <Reticenti> i need to be able to ssh from school
[05:36] <mancha> iptables -A INPUT --dport 3456 -j ACCEPT
[05:36] <mrselfpwn> I had trouble getting it all to work before without putting all the bin files in my users home directory.
[05:37] <mrselfpwn> and used the cabal install approach
[05:37] <mancha> oops, you put 4567 and i wrote 3456 (reading is hard)
[05:37] <mancha> you get the picture though
[05:37] <Reticenti> yeah
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[05:37] <Reticenti> 5678 was just an example
[05:37] <Reticenti> i'm not telling you my ssh port lol
[05:38] <mancha> right, cause i'm all about hacking you
[05:38] <Reticenti> yup
[05:38] <Reticenti> :tinfoil:
[05:38] <Quiznos> mobile tinfoil cap
[05:38] <Quiznos> with installed propellor
[05:38] <yesyes> i only managed to get sound mixing working in alsa using alsactl init. is that normal? i believe i was using alsa before, as lsmod showed all the alsa modules, even the mixer.
[05:38] Action: yesyes is confused
[05:39] <Quiznos> alsamixer
[05:39] <mancha> yesyes type: "yes yes" at the bash prompt
[05:39] <Reticenti> I'm not worried about you mancha but i don't know about Quiznos
[05:39] <Reticenti> :3
[05:39] <yesyes> Quiznos: what about alsamixer?
[05:39] <Quiznos> up the lines
[05:39] <Reticenti> i mean, he might try to entice me with tasty sadwiches then haxored my computer
[05:39] <Quiznos> heh
[05:39] <godling> mrselfpwn: what do you mean?
[05:40] Action: yesyes gives up
[05:40] <yesyes> :p
[05:40] <mancha> Reticenti, its smart - you don't know me. you shoulnd't tell me those things. don't tell anyone.
[05:40] <mrselfpwn> well, when I tried to load the haskell modules it said they were not found
[05:40] <godling> mrselfpwn: I am not using it right now, but when I did I didn't do anything extravagant with the urgency hooks or event hooks
[05:40] <godling> although you can go mad crazy with it and make some cool stuff happen
[05:40] <Reticenti> yeah, cant trust anyone on irc :\
[05:40] <godling> s/on irc//
[05:40] <mrselfpwn> yeah that is my goal
[05:42] <mrselfpwn> i want a xmonad that logs into Reticenti's computer on start up.
[05:43] <Reticenti> whats xmonad?
[05:43] <mrselfpwn> tiling window manager
[05:43] <mancha> Reticenti ssh is compiled with tcpwrapper support on slack, by default. so you should use hosts.deny and hosts.allow (in addition to iptables) for ssh login.
[05:44] <mancha> if you know your school is on 1.2.3.x you specify that C-class
[05:44] <Reticenti> ah
[05:44] <Reticenti> yeah
[05:44] <Reticenti> i dont know that though
[05:44] <mancha> well, you have two eyeballs, a brain, and google. i gave your the relevant search terms.
[05:44] <Reticenti> yeah
[05:45] <Reticenti> i know what you mean
[05:45] <mancha> and form school you can go to whatismyip.com to get the ip and assume B-class aybe?
[05:45] <Reticenti> i just dont know my uni's ip
[05:45] <godling> heh. C-class
[05:45] <godling> your grey hair is showing mancha
[05:45] <godling> *gray
[05:45] <Reticenti> grey*
[05:45] <mancha> right we should get into CIDR? is that better for you?
[05:45] <godling> *grei
[05:46] <Reticenti> ghray*
[05:46] <mrselfpwn> both gray and grey are correct
[05:46] <Reticenti> yeah
[05:46] <Reticenti> mrselfpwn: why would you want a xmonad on my computer?
[05:46] <mrselfpwn> I was just joking Reticenti
[05:46] <godling> s/xm/xg/
[05:47] <godling> mancha: that could be interesting
[05:47] <godling> :D
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[05:47] <godling> I will get popcorn and wait for heads to explode.
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[05:48] <mancha> godling does the deny/allow syntax allow for cidr?
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[05:49] <Reticenti> haah
[05:49] <Reticenti> cidr is just binary, not that hard
[05:49] <godling> mancha: um, why wouldn't it?
[05:49] <godling> :)
[05:50] <Reticenti> wikipedia has a really nice picture on cidr
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[05:50] <mancha> kinda tired, i guess it does allow blah/bleh syntax
[05:50] <Reticenti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IP_Address_Match.png
[05:51] <godling> oh, sorry, thought you were testing me mancha :)
[05:51] <godling> I was going to get my #2 pencil
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[05:51] <Reticenti> my brain has absorbed a lot of info today
[05:51] <mancha> just been porting a module all day, brain is shutting down. on that note, bye.
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[05:51] <Reticenti> cya mancha and thansk for the help
[05:52] <mancha> no problem, enjoy
[05:52] <godling> mancha: goodnight
[05:52] <godling> sleep tight
[05:52] <godling> don't let mrselfpwn flash you on your way out
[05:52] <godling> ;P
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[05:55] <dogg> anyone tell me whic cd is extras on
[05:56] <dogg> i need qt3 compact libs but cant find them online
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[05:58] <Reticenti> dogg: disc 4
[05:59] <Reticenti> dogg: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php
[05:59] <Reticenti> that has a list of what's on each one
[05:59] <dogg> thanks Reticenti
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[06:05] <user51> hi , i jus connected a secondary harddisk( ntfs partitions ) i don't know to mount ntfs partitions in slackware
[06:05] <mrselfpwn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j60-nsS8ZA&feature=related
[06:06] <user51> how to know its device node ?
[06:06] <user51> do i need ntfs-3g ( slackware 13 )
[06:06] <user51> ?
[06:06] <mrselfpwn> ntfs-3g for read/write
[06:07] <Camarade_Tux> user51: if you have ntfs drives, yes
[06:07] <Reticenti> nn
[06:08] <user51> how to gt its device node ?
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[06:13] <user51> how to know device node of partitions of second hard disk ?
[06:15] <mrselfpwn> which one of you is this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXNXZOl1uCY&feature=related
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> user51: fdisk?
[06:17] <MLanden_lap> y0 Camarade_Tux
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[06:18] <westol> why the icon of wicd 1.6.x is so ugly when connecting via wireless, comparing to 1.5.x?
[06:21] <godling> westol: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=687603&group_id=194573
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[06:23] <godling> user51: what is it that you're trying to do? are you not seeing your harddrive in /dev/?
[06:24] <user51>  i want to mount second hardisk's partaions i think for that i need there device node but i don't know device node
[06:24] <user51> i want to know other hardisk's partitions device node ( like sdb sda etc ) ?
[06:25] <zuhair> user51: try "ls /dev/hd*" or "ls /dev/sd*"
[06:25] <godling> ^^
[06:25] <mrselfpwn> fdisk -l
[06:26] <Camarade_Tux> /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
[06:27] <godling> mrselfpwn: you have to be root
[06:27] <Camarade_Tux>  ='(
[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> slackware64 ='(
[06:27] <user51> fdisk -l is only showing my partitions of primary hardiisk
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[06:27] <godling> yeah user51, do what zuhair suggested
[06:27] <westol> godling: IMO, the icon in 1.5.x is clearer than in 1.6.x
[06:27] <godling> I don't use wicd
[06:27] <godling> I just googled the changelog for you :P
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[06:28] <shik4nt4z4> Hello!
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[06:28] <godling> grab the source for both and switch the icons?
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[07:17] <spook> http://spooksoftware.com/spook/rc.6to4.txt   << thoughts, suggestions?
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[07:18] <mrselfpwn> that sux Danse Macabre window manager project got discontinued.
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[07:22] <Camarade_Tux> "danse macabre"? llol :p
[07:22] <mrselfpwn> yes, i looked forward to it
[07:23] <Camarade_Tux> you don't speak french I guess ;)
[07:23] <mrselfpwn> no, but i see what it means now lol
[07:24] <mrselfpwn> probably why it died out.  haha
[07:24] <mrselfpwn> quite ironic
[07:24] <Camarade_Tux> hehe :P
[07:25] <mrselfpwn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qef6vpEJzJ8&feature=related
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[07:27] <spook> no one interested in my tun6to4 script?
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[07:28] <mrselfpwn> i looked at it spook
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[07:28] <mrselfpwn> i don't have ipv6 compiled into my kernel
[07:29] <nannes> spook: I
[07:29] <nannes> spook: paste it... I'm really curious
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[07:30] <mrselfpwn> http://spooksoftware.com/spook/rc.6to4.txt
[07:31] <nannes> :O
[07:32] <nannes> I'll look for other programs written by spook
[07:32] <nannes> I'm learning to programming
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[07:44] <godling> spook: you have very pretty code
[07:44] <godling> FOR A GIRL
[07:45] <godling> ;P
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[07:48] <godling> spook: I was referring to your C
[07:48] <CtrlAltCa> a girl!? in my internets!?
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[07:48] <godling> I don't think spook is a girl
[07:49] <godling> TWAJS
[07:49] <mrselfpwn> spook is a cop
[07:49] <mrselfpwn> undercover brother
[07:49] <godling> so who is that picture of?
[07:50] <mrselfpwn> actually i'm joking.  i really don't know
[07:50] <mrselfpwn> what picture?
[07:51] <godling> http://spooksoftware.com/spook/ <- first in that directory
[07:52] <mrselfpwn> lmao
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[07:55] <mrselfpwn> chicks with beards
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[07:56] <mrselfpwn> I thought you were poking fun at him.
[07:56] <mrselfpwn> didn't see; < godling> I don't think spook is a girl
[07:57] <spook> heh.
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[07:59] <godling> I was poking fun :P
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[07:59] <godling> but I wasn't serious or anything
[07:59] <spook> its okay, my fault for leaving pics where they are easy to find
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[08:00] <godling> sorry
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[08:02] <mrselfpwn> spook about your startvm.sh.  do you have that run on boot up?
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[08:06] <mrselfpwn> I have a machine with Slackware on it and also have a windows xp virtualbox drive i have set to start when a certain user logs in, though my way of doing stuff is not so pretty.  I was wondering what is the best way of implementing this.  I need the virtual windows for certain people that use the machine though I have a httpd server running on slackware.
[08:08] <mrselfpwn> The way I have it set up, is it starts fluxbox on a X display and windows xp in virtualbox on another when this certain user logs on.
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[08:09] <mrselfpwn> the reason for fluxbox is because the sound is choppy in the windows vm and they like to listen to music in the background and also have wicd on fluxbox for an easy way for them to manage the internet connection.
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[08:12] <spook> mrselfpwn: not currently, it doesnt really clean up the pid files
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[08:33] <TwinReverb> anyone tried out the slap kernel config?
[08:34] <mrselfpwn> TwinReverb: No, what is that?
[08:34] <TwinReverb> it's a kernel config for a possible re-mix of slackware i may work on
[08:35] <mrselfpwn> what are the changes to the kernel?
[08:35] <TwinReverb> do you use 32bit or 64bit slackware?
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[08:36] <mrselfpwn> 32bit
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[08:37] <TwinReverb> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slap-dvd-laptop-kernel-config-753734/
[08:37] <mrselfpwn> ty
[08:37] <TwinReverb> np yw
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[08:41] <spook> someone with ipv6 wanna try going to ipv6.spooksoftware.com ?
[08:41] <mrselfpwn> I have a done a lot of these to mine though there are some ones I haven't specifically with regards to power management.  I'll try those from the link.
[08:41] <mrselfpwn> Why did you enable OLPC support though TwinReverb?
[08:42] <TwinReverb> OLPC?
[08:42] <mrselfpwn> One Laptop per child
[08:42] <TwinReverb> because it's aim is laptops
[08:43] <mrselfpwn> Are those laptops almost toyish though?  I looked at one when I was considering enabling that option as I have a netbook.
[08:43] <mrselfpwn> do you know what features it actually adds?
[08:43] <thrice`> yeah, I highly doubt anyone with a OLPC will compile a custom kernel
[08:44] <TwinReverb> the only real differences from the generic kernel config (other than enabling SPI and tablet support) is that i enabled anything/everything that saved power, configured it for -Os (optimize for size), LZMA compression, and set the default cpufreq governor to ondemand
[08:44] <thrice`> why lzma support?  won't that be slower extracting to ram?
[08:45] <TwinReverb> thrice`, but it's good on file size, which laptops normally have less of (due to (all things being equal) laptop hard drives being more expensive in terms of GB to $$ rate)
[08:45] <thrice`> lol
[08:45] <mrselfpwn> :D
[08:45] <thrice`> I'd REALLY like to see the comparison in size between a gzip'd bzImage, and your lzma successor :>
[08:46] <mrselfpwn> Well with those SSD netbooks that actually does hold true.
[08:46] <thrice`> you probably have that, right?
[08:46] <mrselfpwn> I have the normal hard drive.
[08:46] <TwinReverb> thrice`, i know that generic-smp is usually 4.3MB and usually my kernel configs (granted, i specify my CPU, -Os and LZMA) are 2-2.3MB
[08:47] <thrice`>  2.6M/boot/vmlinuz-generic-2.6.29.6
[08:47] <TwinReverb> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.0M 2009-09-12 08:06 /boot/vmlinuz-slap-2.6.31
[08:47] <mrselfpwn> TwinReverb, would you mind if I looked at your .config?
[08:47] <thrice`> that's not the point - of course yours is less, as you've changed the settings.
[08:47] <Pig_Pen> 1188 bzImage
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[08:48] <TwinReverb> -Os is because (as I said before) in theory the more code at a time a CPU with lots of L2 (think Pentium-M dothan with 2MB L2 or higher like some of the more expensive core 2's) should see more code and therefore do better branch prediction
[08:49] <thrice`> since lzma is slower to extract, I was just curious why that 0.4MB was worth saving, over speed.  Are people desperate for < 1MB of space ?
[08:49] <TwinReverb> mrselfpwn, there's a link on the LQ thread
[08:49] <Pig_Pen> mine might be small enough to make a boot floppy diskette
[08:49] <mrselfpwn> TwinReverb: the 2.6.31 one. not the 2.6.30.5
[08:49] Action: TwinReverb shrugs at thrice` 
[08:49] <TwinReverb> mrselfpwn, there should be a reply link at the bottom for the 2.6.31
[08:49] <mrselfpwn> oh, okay yes i see it thanks.
[08:50] <TwinReverb> i use it myself, and so far it works good
[08:50] <sahko> does anyone else besides RMS have an OLPC?
[08:51] <TwinReverb> however, it's a "generic" style config.  make sure you add ext2|3|4/xfs/jfs/reiserfs support
[08:51] <TwinReverb> sahko, hahaha
[08:51] <thrice`> TwinReverb: Os should have less optimization than O2
[08:51] <TwinReverb> thrice`, no, "less" isn't the concept, more that it's for a different reason
[08:51] <TwinReverb> -O2 / -O3 is for speed / arch
[08:51] <thrice`> it's for 1 reason - size
[08:51] <TwinReverb> -Os is for size of the executable
[08:51] <thrice`> it tries to do O2 optimization, but will refuse if it'll increase the overall size
[08:51] <TwinReverb> it doesn't unroll loops, etc
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[08:52] <TwinReverb> no, actually per the make manual it picks and chooses specific optimizations that are known to work without making the executable larger
[08:52] <TwinReverb> one that it does not do is unroll loops (for example)
[08:52] <thrice`> you might like this article:  http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7269
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[08:53] <TwinReverb> "man gcc"    -Os Optimize for size.  -Os enables all -O2 optimizations that do not typically increase code size.  It also performs further  optimizations designed to reduce code size.
[08:53] <mrselfpwn> I always heard -0 is for 0 optimization -02 for more -03 for even more.
[08:53] <thrice`> 08:51 < thrice`> it tries to do O2 optimization, but will refuse if it'll  increase the overall size
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[08:53] <thrice`> 08:52 < TwinReverb> no,
[08:54] <TwinReverb>   -Os disables the following optimization flags: -falign-functions  -falign-jumps  -falign-loops -falign-labels  -freorder-blocks  -freorder-blocks-and-partition -fprefetch-loop-arrays  -ftree-vect-loop-version
[08:54] <TwinReverb> it's right there in the manual page
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[08:54] <TwinReverb> -Os mentions nothing of -O2
[08:54] <thrice`> you just pasted that it does!
[08:54] <TwinReverb> -O2 -O3 and -Os are merely a quick cheap way of specifying a bunch
[08:54] <TwinReverb> yes but you are not understanding
[08:54] <TwinReverb> -Os does not enable -O2
[08:54] <thrice`> you are contradciting yourself
[08:54] <thrice`> of course it doesn't
[08:55] <TwinReverb> it enables specific optimizations from the alias -O2 that do not typically increase code size
[08:55] <TwinReverb> sorry then, i thought you said -Os and -O2 were the same for a second
[08:55] <mrselfpwn> so it trys to be the best of both worlds.
[08:55] Action: TwinReverb shrugs
[08:55] <TwinReverb> no, not the best of both worlds
[08:55] <thrice`> yes, but O2 should provide better results
[08:55] <TwinReverb> -O2 and -Os are totally different worlds, there's no third party trying to be the best of both worlds
[08:56] <TwinReverb> (i.e. like people refer to "ondemand" trying to be the "best of both worlds" i.e. like "powersave" and "performance")
[08:56] <thrice`> Os does the best it can, but will make size it's priority.
[08:56] <mrselfpwn> yes
[08:56] Action: TwinReverb nods
[08:56] <sahko> the article clearly says : -02: do not involve a space-speed trade-off, a balance between the two objectives & -0s: puts the emphasis on size over speed
[08:56] <TwinReverb> it's best to see it as a philosophy specification
[08:56] <spook> thrice`: he seems to do that a lot. part of the reason i ignored him
[08:57] <TwinReverb> -O simply stands for optimize either
[08:57] <thrice`> so, O2 is typically used (eg, globally in just about every distro) because the payoff for Os is slightly less space consumed, but less-optimizated binaries
[08:57] <TwinReverb> -O optimizes, -O2 optimizes "even more", -O3 optimizes "yet more", -Os optimizes "for size"
[08:58] <TwinReverb> yeah i would wager all of slackware is -O2 where applicable
[08:58] <mrselfpwn> well what is the performance to space trade off typically?
[08:58] <mrselfpwn> How much space do we save?
[08:58] <mrselfpwn> compared to performance loss.
[08:58] <TwinReverb> 0.0-0.5 MB
[08:59] <TwinReverb> i simply enabled it because the help says 'if unsure, say yes', which makes it sound to me like they have a lot of faith in this one
[08:59] <TwinReverb> and due to the theory of L2 cache size usage like i said
[09:00] <TwinReverb> i am not saying i'm an expert in this though.  i would need to do real tests, but so far i don't see a slow-down in the feel of my computer (as if that matters)
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[09:00] <thrice`> slackware doesn't use it "where applicable," it is in all SlackBuilds
[09:00] <TwinReverb> i may some time do a test run when i have time to burn, running a gentoo -Os compile
[09:00] <TwinReverb> thrice`, i know it's in all slackbuilds, but the "noarch" doesn't run gcc afaik
[09:00] <thrice`> gentoo also says -O2 is recommend for many
[09:01] <TwinReverb> what i mean is, for example, kernel-source package isn't compiled
[09:01] <thrice`> ok, I assumed you understood the obvoius
[09:01] <TwinReverb> gentoo also recommends compiling everything yourself 8-)
[09:01] <thrice`> of course non-compiled items don't have compile flags
[09:01] <thrice`> spook: agreed :>
[09:01] <TwinReverb> i know, i just didn't want someone to say that when i said they were "all" -Os
[09:01] <TwinReverb> er -O2
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[09:16] <shik4nt4z4> What program is responsible for blanking the display in text mode? (Before somebody logs into the system)
[09:18] <mrselfpwn> i want to say agetty
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[09:19] <thrice`> mm, setterm  perhaps
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[09:24] <Lord_Khelben> if you mean the tty "screensaver" its what thrice` said. if you want the display to clear before the login prompt appears, /etc/issue is your file (clear command is useful)
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[09:27] <shik4nt4z4> OK. Thank you! setterm is what I needed. But I don't get how can I set it to turn off the monitor after 1 min. By default it blanks it.
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[09:28] <rich_dnb> guys, does anyone know of a good open source ERP application for a small business?
[09:28] <spook> shik4nt4z4: setterm in /etc/rc.d/rc.M i think.
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[09:29] <Lord_Khelben> shik4nt4z4: if you read the manpage it mentions powerdown option
[09:29] <Lord_Khelben> it uses vesa powersaving features so i don't know if it is the same as dpms. give it a try
[09:29] <thrice`> I think vbetool can do it too
[09:29] <thrice`> vbetool dpms off
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[09:30] <shik4nt4z4> Lord_Khelben: I have tried that but I doesn't seem to work.
[09:31] <livebrain> hi ppl, i0m running 2 separete X, and i'm unsing fluxbox, however on the second X i dont get the same config
[09:31] <livebrain> why is that ?
[09:31] <shik4nt4z4> Why here is no program to put monitor in power saving mode for both X and text?!
[09:31] <livebrain> the toolbar is different and the apps i have under "startup" dont run on the second X
[09:32] <thrice`> shik4nt4z4: try vbetool :)  vbetool dpms off/on
[09:34] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`: OK. Thank you!
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[09:38] <shik4nt4z4> spook: Thank you!
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[09:44] <smario> hi guys
[09:44] <thrice`> hello smario
[09:44] <smario> how are you?
[09:45] <thrice`> ok, yourself?
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[09:45] <smario> fine , thanks
[09:46] <smario> can you help me with Slackware 13.0?
[09:46] <smario> please
[09:46] <adamk_>  There's no guarantee anyone can help you.
[09:46] <thrice`> depends :)
[09:46] <spook> smario: no.
[09:46] <adamk_> But we certainly can't help you if you don't tell us what the problem is :-)
[09:46] <smario> my wifi doesn't work
[09:47] <smario> i've a asus laptop
[09:47] <spook> smario: thats great.
[09:47] <spook> smario: i wish you luck with your mysterious wifi problem
[09:47] <smario> i'm a newbie
[09:47] <thrice`> smario: ok, the asus laptop part doesn't say too much.  can you run "lspci" to see which wireless card it is?
[09:48] <smario> yeah just a moment
[09:48] <thrice`> maybe "/sbin/lspci | grep Network"
[09:48] <smario> Broadcom BCM4306
[09:49] <thrice`> ok, you'll need 2 items for that to work OK
[09:49] <smario> i need driver
[09:49] <thrice`> have you used slackbuilds before?
[09:49] <smario> no
[09:49] <thrice`> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=b43&sv=13.0
[09:49] <smario> yesterday was the first time with slacware
[09:50] <thrice`> so, you'll have to install the firmware for your card, and then the firmware-cutter
[09:50] <spook> you need the firmware
[09:50] <spook> read dmesg
[09:50] <smario> ok
[09:50] <thrice`> which will extract the firmware
[09:50] <smario> i can try
[09:50] <thrice`> http://slackbuilds.org/howto/
[09:50] <spook> dmesg actually gives you a direct link to the firmware, but the slackbuilds will be easier
[09:50] <thrice`> those slackbuilds are the easiest way to do it
[09:50] <smario> ok thanks
[09:50] <mrselfpwn> yes, it's not hard smario.  i had to do it for one of my wifi cards
[09:51] <smario> i hope
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[09:51] <smario> thanks guy
[09:51] <thrice`> sure :)
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[10:00] <shik4nt4z4> How do I define terminal shortcuts for commands. For example I have a command and I want that command to be executed when I type Ctrl + F1.
[10:00] <Lord_Khelben> what desktop enviroment do you use ?
[10:00] <shik4nt4z4> By terminal I mean console, text mode. Not GUI.
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[10:03] <shik4nt4z4> Lord_Khelben: Not in GUI.
[10:03] <Lord_Khelben> i think readline supports this
[10:04] <shik4nt4z4> Lord_Khelben: readline?
[10:04] <Lord_Khelben> read /etc/inputrc
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[10:07] <shik4nt4z4> Lord_Khelben: Thank you!
[10:08] <Lord_Khelben> shik4nt4z4: i can't find any info on google so i will try to tell you what i remember
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[10:08] <Lord_Khelben> press ctrl+v and then ctrl+f1 and see what string it generates
[10:08] <thrice`> guess he didn't want to hear it ;)
[10:09] <Lord_Khelben> ah i didn't see him leave :P
[10:09] <adeodatus>  It's possiblile to connect with ncftp to a http site?
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[10:09] <shik4nt4z4> And the last thing. How do I turn off xscreensaver?
[10:10] <adeodatus>  It's possiblile to connect with ncftp to a http site?
[10:10] <thrice`> in...xfce ?
[10:10] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`: Yes.
[10:10] <adeodatus>  It's possiblile to connect with ncftp to a http site?
[10:10] <rg3> adeodatus: can you please stop repeating the question?
[10:10] <Lord_Khelben> adeodatus: the obvious answer is no, because it is a ftp client
[10:10] <Lord_Khelben> but i don't know for sure, read its manpage
[10:10] <Lord_Khelben> for http you can use wget or curl
[10:10] <thrice`> shik4nt4z4: unfortunately, if xscreensaver is installed, Pat launches it with xscreensaver in xfce's xinitrc
[10:11] <thrice`> an easy way is to uninstall xscreensaver, if you don't use it
[10:11] <adeodatus> I've tried to connect http and I got an error mesage indeed.
[10:12] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`: Well, I was thinking to remove it, but I am not sure if I really want to do that.
[10:12] <thrice`> shik4nt4z4: to see how slackware does it, "grep xscreen ~/.xinitrc"
[10:12] <adeodatus> Lord_Khelben: thanks!!
[10:12] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`: Thank you again!
[10:13] <thrice`> sure :)  have fun
[10:13] <Lord_Khelben> shik4nt4z4: have you solved the ctrl+f1 thing ?
[10:13] <shik4nt4z4> Lord_Khelben: Not yet.
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[10:14] <Lord_Khelben> shik4nt4z4: type ctrl+v then ctrl+f1 to see what string it generates
[10:14] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`: Is it OK just to comment out the xscreensaver lines in xinitrc?
[10:14] <Lord_Khelben> then you need to put this string to /etc/inputrc with the string you want replaced
[10:15] <dimm0k_> any kmail users here?
[10:15] <thrice`> shik4nt4z4: yes, it definitely is :)  but if you run "xwmconfig" again, it'll be overwritten :>
[10:15] <shik4nt4z4> Lord_Khelben: ^[[[A
[10:15] <Lord_Khelben> i think xwmconfig symlinks xinitc to xinitc.foo
[10:15] <Lord_Khelben> it doesn't overwrite it
[10:15] <Lord_Khelben> i may be wrong though
[10:15] <dimm0k_> having difficulties changing fonts for the message list
[10:15] <thrice`> -rw-r--r-- 1 ajb users 7031 2009-09-09 21:36 /home/ajb/.xinitrc
[10:16] <shik4nt4z4> thrice`: That is OK. I don't run xwmconfig often.
[10:16] <Lord_Khelben> ah i was talking about the global config. not .xinitrc
[10:16] <thrice`> Pat does this when you run xwmconfig:
[10:17] <thrice`> cat /etc/X11/xinit/$OUTPUT > $HOME/.xinitrc
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[10:18] <Lord_Khelben> shik4nt4z4: put in /etc/inputrc the following:   "\e[[A" : "shik4nt4z4" and relogin in the console
[10:18] <Lord_Khelben> every time you type ctrl+f1 it should print shik4nt4z4
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[10:20] <Lord_Khelben> if you want the command to be actually run you need to put ^M after the command (i think the proper readline syntax is \C-M or something like that)
[10:20] <shik4nt4z4> Lord_Khelben: One moment!
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[10:21] <Lord_Khelben> in times like this, i love my zsh
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[10:22] <shik4nt4z4> Lord_Khelben: It works. Thank you a lot!
[10:22] <Lord_Khelben> shik4nt4z4: nice :)
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[10:32] <adeodatus> How to change the default shell?
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[10:32] <Lord_Khelben> chsh (or vi /etc/passwd )
[10:32] <thrice`> "chsh"
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[10:34] <adeodatus> thanks
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[10:43] <mrselfpwn> suggestions? dzen2 or xmobar
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[10:49] <hitest> greetings from northern Canada:)
[10:49] <Lord_Khelben> hello hitest
[10:49] <mrselfpwn> hi hitest
[10:50] <alisonken1home> Greeting from SoCal
[10:50] <hitest> hi Lord_Khelben
[10:50] <hitest> hi alisonken1home
[10:50] <hitest> :)
[10:50] <hitest> hi mrselfpwn
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[10:55] <shik4nt4z4> Hello hitest!
[10:55] <vaibhav> Hi, I am having a strange problem of sound getting choppy in the middle of playing mp3 as if it is in oscillatory mode... what could be the problem?
[10:55] Action: hitest enjoys his second cup of java....mmmmm.....good:)
[10:56] <hitest> hi shik4nt4z4:)
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[10:57] <Lord_Khelben> vaibhav: most likely its irrelevant, but are you running any very cpu intensive process at the same time ?
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[10:58] <vaibhav> Lord_Khelben: nothing cpu intensive. A browser plus a pdf reader in addition to amarok
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[10:59] <vaibhav> Lord_Khelben: I had a different problem before. I was getting a harsh sound since my sound card shares the same irq as usb...passing pci=noacpi solved the problem. Can this be now related to this?
[11:00] <Lord_Khelben> vaibhav: maybe but i can't tell you for sure
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[11:01] <MLanden> y0 slackers...how's everyone?
[11:01] <hitest> hey MLanden!
[11:01] <hitest> good, ty
[11:01] <MLanden> y0 hitest
[11:01] <hitest> :)
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[11:01] <hitest> how are you, man?
[11:02] <MLanden> just chillin' for the afternoon thanks
[11:02] <hitest> yeah, just relaxing over here as well
[11:02] <vaibhav> Lord_Khelben: Sometimes the laptop freezes for a second or two for no apparent reason
[11:03] <MLanden> awesome,hitest...how's your upgradin' goin'?
[11:05] <SuN> vaibhav: are you using any sound servers like pulseaudio, arts, esound?
[11:05] <hitest> MLanden: I've turned into a lazy SOB....I've upgraded 2/4 of my Slackware boxes to 13.0.....trying to overcome inertia.....maybe I need more coffee:)  The upgrades are going well, thank you:)
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[11:07] <MLanden> hey,it's all cool....that's the beauty of slackware....like ole Bob Ross(the painter) said...just take 'er easy...few clouds here..meadow there..:D
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[11:07] <hitest> Bob Ross was awesome....I love that show:)
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[11:08] <MLanden> that's pure meditation
[11:08] <hitest> yes, wonderful stuff
[11:09] <vaibhav> SuN: I am not really sure about the answer
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[11:11] <BP{k}> MLanden: happy trees! ;)
[11:11] <MLanden> BP{k}: right on
[11:11] <hitest> BP{k} exactly:)
[11:12] <LnxSlck> hello happy slackers
[11:12] <Lord_Khelben> hello LnxSlck
[11:12] <MLanden> y0 Lnxslck
[11:12] <hitest> hi LnxSlck
[11:12] <LnxSlck> yo guys
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[11:15] <Quiznos> maybe i'll go back to slack3.3
[11:15] <LnxSlck> back to the past
[11:15] <Quiznos> nods
[11:15] <MLanden> Quiznos: gotta a 386?
[11:15] <Quiznos> umm, maybe
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[11:17] <hitest> Quiznos: cool. that's old school. my earliest was slack 10.0:)
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[11:17] <Quiznos> nods
[11:17] <MLanden> think the first I messed with was 8.0...and got a 386 Panasonic laptop and tried 3.3 for fun
[11:18] <Quiznos> heh
[11:18] <Quiznos> i had a bleading edge box to install 3.3
[11:18] <Quiznos> 16mhz i think
[11:18] <hitest> nice
[11:19] <Quiznos> yea, gcc sig11's everywhere; no internet help at all
[11:19] <Quiznos> all by my lonesome
[11:19] <Quiznos> and usr/doc
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[11:22] <frenkiey> do you install *.txz files with installpkg ?
[11:22] <Quiznos> yes
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[11:22] <frenkiey> mmm think my 4th cd must be dodgy
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[11:22] <frenkiey> just tried installing grub but it's not installed
[11:23] <Quiznos> from what src?
[11:23] <frenkiey> checked with pkgtool
[11:23] <frenkiey> no package
[11:23] <Quiznos> i mean from what cd?
[11:23] <frenkiey> i just d/loaded 4th cd  for extra
[11:23] <frenkiey> s
[11:23] <frenkiey> i needed qt3 libs
[11:24] <frenkiey> that wont install either saying it's currupt
[11:24] <omnidroid> slackbuild for qt
[11:24] <Quiznos> omnidroid dont think he knows
[11:24] <frenkiey> dont think there is for 13
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[11:24] <frenkiey> is there a slackbuild for qt3 libs ?
[11:25] <Lord_Khelben> qt3 is included with slackware 13
[11:25] <omnidroid> it would make sense, worst case senario, you could use 12.2 build
[11:25] <frenkiey> i want to install umtsmon and it needs qt3 libs
[11:25] <frenkiey> it says*
[11:26] <frenkiey> from extras
[11:26] <omnidroid> qt4 does, not qt3 Lord_Khelben
[11:26] <Pig_Pen> i built qt-338 & kde-2.5.10 for slackware 13, so it is do-able, qt-338 is kind of a trick to build so read the docs or use the slackbuilds from 12.2
[11:26] <Lord_Khelben> it is in the extra/kde3-compat and the package name is qt3-3.3.8b-i486-opt1
[11:26] <Pig_Pen> kde-3.5.10*
[11:26] <Lord_Khelben> omnidroid: qt3 is included too
[11:26] <omnidroid> i guess i missed it then
[11:27] <frenkiey> ill try and install it again
[11:27] <Lord_Khelben> there are all the kde3 packages needed to run programs not only qt3
[11:27] <Lord_Khelben> i use them to run ksubtile (a subtitle editor)
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[11:28] <omnidroid> didn't know that, i usually stay pritty close to the bleeding edge
[11:28] <frenkiey> ive not when i try to build  a slackbuild for umtsmon it says /opt/kde3/bin/qmake no such file or directory
[11:28] <frenkiey> isnt qmake installed
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[11:29] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: /opt/kde3/bin/qmake is a symlink to the package in the qt3/lib directory
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[11:30] <frenkiey> shall i symlink it then ?
[11:30] <omnidroid> if you installed full when you installed slack13, it is there
[11:30] <frenkiey> i have installed three cd's
[11:30] <frenkiey> full install
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[11:30] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: does ls /opt/kd3/lib/qt3/bin show something ?
[11:30] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: does ls /opt/kde3/lib/qt3/bin show something ?
[11:31] <frenkiey> ill check
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[11:31] <frenkiey> no Lord_Khelben  just plugins dir
[11:32] <frenkiey> no bin
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[11:32] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: ls /var/log/packages/|grep qt
[11:32] <Lord_Khelben> or better ls /var/log/packages/|grep qt3
[11:32] <Pig_Pen> a long long time ago both gnome and kde were installed to /opt
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[11:33] <frenkiey> two packages .....with qt ..qt scriptgenerator ..and qt-r1008952
[11:34] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: then you don't have qt3 installed
[11:34] <Lord_Khelben> but you have qmake and the qt3 libs
[11:34] <frenkiey> should i have with a full install
[11:34] <Lord_Khelben> so i guess something happened during the qt3 package install
[11:34] <Lord_Khelben> i have the impression that "full install" doesn't install packages in extra/ but i may be wrong
[11:34] <frenkiey> oh yeah i know that
[11:35] <alisonken1home> no - full install only instlls slackware/
[11:35] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: download the qt3 package again and do upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new package name
[11:35] <Lord_Khelben> then all will work fine
[11:35] <frenkiey> Lord_Khelben, i tried to get is of packages.slackware.it
[11:35] <frenkiey> it*
[11:36] <frenkiey> none of the server seemed to work for me
[11:36] <frenkiey> servers*
[11:36] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/kde3-compat/qt3-3.3.8b-i486-opt1.txz
[11:36] <frenkiey> thanks
[11:36] <Lord_Khelben> assuming you are running slackware 32bit
[11:36] <Lord_Khelben> if you are running the 64bit you need other package
[11:36] <frenkiey> yeah im 32 bit
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[11:41] <mrselfpwn> is it as simply as changing .tgz to .txz in a .SlackBuild to use the new format?
[11:41] <Lord_Khelben> i think yes
[11:41] <frenkiey> so doesnt slackware do tgz files anymore ?
[11:41] <mrselfpwn> yes, though txz is more compact
[11:41] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: no. it uses tgz only for some crucial packages
[11:41] <thrice`> makepkg can create either one
[11:42] <mrselfpwn> right, it still supports them though txz is default now
[11:42] <thrice`> .txz is just what Pat provides - you can do anything your heart desires :)
[11:42] <BP{k}> mrselfpwn: actually, it's even simpler.
[11:42] <frenkiey> ok .... Lord_Khelben apart from slackbuilds what other server you recommend packages
[11:42] <mrselfpwn> ?
[11:42] <Lord_Khelben> yeah. i always make my packages tgz because i am impatient :P
[11:42] <BP{k}> mrselfpwn: export PKGTYPE=txz in your shell startup files.
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[11:43] <BP{k}> or whatever value you want PKGTYPE to bve.
[11:43] <mrselfpwn> and and it will change the value upon build?
[11:43] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: 3rd party repositories aren't recommended. on the contrary you shouldn't use them
[11:43] <Lord_Khelben> use only slackbuilds
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[11:44] <frenkiey> yeah
[11:44] <mrselfpwn> slackbuilds are actually 3rd party, but they have Pat's mark of approval.
[11:44] <Lord_Khelben> because the quality of the binary packages hosted there isn't always good
[11:44] <mrselfpwn> slackbuilds.org that is.
[11:44] <mancha> slackbuilds is a 3rd party script repository
[11:44] <Lord_Khelben> mrselfpwn: slackbuilds aren't binary
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[11:44] <BP{k}> mrselfpwn: well yes.. that's why the makepkg line now has ${PKGTYPE:-tgz}
[11:44] <BP{k}> mrselfpwn: they don't .. see http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#affiliation ;)
[11:45] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: if you want binary packages then rworkman and alienBOB have quality packages in their repositories
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[11:45] <frenkiey> yeah ive seen alienbobs site not sure about rworkman
[11:46] <Lord_Khelben> the best way though is to download a slackbuild and run it (also view it in a editor to see what it does. it is quite simple)
[11:47] <quasar> 'shouldn't use them' is a bit harsh... 'use them at your own risk' is more appropriate.. there are plenty of people out there who give binary packages to the slackware community that dont make it to an official repository, it'd be silly to say "you shouldn't use them!"
[11:47] <Lord_Khelben> quasar: yes you are right. i should say they aren't new user friendly
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[11:47] <Pig_Pen> i never give out binary packages, if someone wants something that is not included in a standard slackware install they better learn to build it
[11:48] <BP{k}> Lord_Khelben: actually that is debatable. It's quite userfriendly to just download a binary package and installpkg it. Hence why Lp.net manages to keep alive.
[11:48] Action: thrice` prefers pre-built packages
[11:48] <mrselfpwn> I build my own slackbuild if I can't find it at slackbuilds.org
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[11:49] <Lord_Khelben> BP{k}: but sometimes they override slackware-provided packages without the user knowing and when he removes the package, nothing works
[11:49] <Lord_Khelben> that is what i meant with not new user friendly
[11:49] <thrice`> you can't take quality into consideration
[11:49] <quasar> I prefer building my own, unless we're talking about something like OOo, KDE, qt, etc
[11:49] <quasar> something that takes forever to build
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[11:49] <frenkiey> is the only difference is a package is easier to uninstall ?
[11:49] <frenkiey> than source
[11:50] <quasar> easier to manage all together
[11:50] <quasar> upgrade, reinstall, remove, etc
[11:50] <Lord_Khelben> quasar: kde4 doesn't take too much time anymore
[11:50] <BP{k}> frenkiey: and with SBo, you also get the benefit that it has been tested.
[11:50] <thrice`> um, yes it does
[11:50] <quasar> Lord_Khelben: took 6.5hrs on my machine
[11:50] <thrice`> it takes my laptop about 3 hours
[11:50] <thrice`> to do 1/2 of KDE
[11:50] <Lord_Khelben> it took about 2 hours on mine
[11:50] <mrselfpwn> yeah, they don't let just any SBo on their site.
[11:50] <Lord_Khelben> it is a core2duo hm let me see which model
[11:51] <frenkiey> if i was on 12.2 would take long to upgrade wih a decent net connection ?
[11:51] <thrice`> 2 hours without qt, then
[11:51] <Lord_Khelben> intel c2d e6550 its quite old
[11:51] <Lord_Khelben> yes 2 hours without qt
[11:51] <frenkiey> ive never upgraded before
[11:51] <thrice`> frenkiey: mm, 30 minutes?  depends
[11:51] <frenkiey> not bad
[11:52] <BP{k}> I would go with 1 hour for the entire process, not counting getting ther tree.
[11:52] <thrice`> slackpkg is probably the easiest way
[11:52] <thrice`> s/easiest/best
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[11:52] <BP{k}> frenkiey: probably the merging of the .new files will take you the longest.
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[11:53] <frenkiey> so do you use slapt-get
[11:53] <Lord_Khelben> slackroll is very nice too (and also handles .new files and removed files)
[11:53] <thrice`> no, slapt-get is not in slackware.  slackpkg is
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[11:53] <BP{k}> frenkiey: no, I am using a local synchronised mirror, upgrade with slackpkg and merge files by hand.
[11:54] <Lord_Khelben> frenkiey: if you know what to expect from slapt-get and how to use it, it is good. otherwise avoid it and use slackpkg like thrice` said
[11:54] <frenkiey> ive not used it before only used source or slackbuilds
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[11:55] <frenkiey> you recommed using slackpkg ?
[11:55] <BP{k}> yes
[11:55] <thrice`> check the slackpkg man pages - it outlines 4 pretty easy steps.  be sure to do them all :>
[11:55] <frenkiey> i will
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[12:09] <andarius> greetings and salutations
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[12:09] <MLanden> salutations and greetings,andarius
[12:10] <andarius> salutations MLanden
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[12:16] <hitest> greetings andarius:)
[12:17] <andarius> salutations hitest
[12:17] <hitest> :)
[12:17] <hitest> how are you?
[12:17] <andarius> good. barely awake though. you?
[12:18] <hitest> I am well, ty:) on my 4th cup of java:)
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[12:31] <Buggaboo> hey guys
[12:31] <Buggaboo> what's the app called in X that detects keystrokes?
[12:31] <MLanden> y0 Buggaboo.....xev
[12:32] <Buggaboo> thanks
[12:32] <MLanden> np
[12:32] <madlord> hello
[12:32] <Buggaboo> I've finally made the move to x86_64 from slamd64, now my keyboard's slightly fecked.
[12:33] <Buggaboo> hm, software fault.
[12:33] <madlord> guys, I'm having problems with gtk applications, firefox is one of those that is crashing
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[12:33] <vbatts> quasar: rsync://hashbangbash.com/pub/kde-4.3.1/source/
[12:33] <madlord> I'm using slackware 13.0, and I've installed gnome slackbuild
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[12:34] <madlord> firefox last crashes reported: (firefox-bin:5720): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/run-mozilla.sh: line 131:  5720 Segmentation fault      "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
[12:34] <madlord> I hope anyone can help me with this, thanks
[12:35] <thrice`> vbatts: doing 686 too? :)
[12:35] <spook> custard plus rum is awesome
[12:35] <MLanden> spook: what flavor custard?
[12:36] <spook> does it matter?
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[12:37] <MLanden> not really...bon appetit
[12:37] <spook> thanks
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[12:37] <spook> its mostly rum now
[12:37] <vbatts> vbatts: i'm going to try :\, i'm away on work and the laptop i'm with has no virtual machines, or the slackware- tree to install one.
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[12:41] <rich_dnb> does anyone here use slackware for production server?
[12:41] <spook> rich_dnb: yup
[12:41] <rich_dnb> how do you go about patching it?
[12:41] <spook> rich_dnb: patching?
[12:41] <rich_dnb> updating the software?
[12:42] <spook> rich_dnb: why would you be updating the software on a production server?
[12:42] <rich_dnb> for security reasnos
[12:42] <spook> oh yeah, slackware releases security updates.
[12:42] <spook> subscribe to the slackware-security mailing list
[12:43] <rich_dnb> sure, but do you have to login manually and ftp the files, then run them etc?
[12:43] <rich_dnb> that could be pretty time consuming on multiple servers?
[12:43] <spook> rich_dnb: slackpkg
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[12:44] <rich_dnb> is there an update command?
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[12:44] <hitest> slackpkg update
[12:44] <hitest> slackpkg install-new
[12:44] <spook> rich_dnb: slackpkg update, updates the package list/info, then slackpkg upgrade-all, finds all suitable packages and updates them
[12:44] <hitest> what he said:)
[12:45] <rich_dnb> awesome
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[12:45] <rich_dnb> its like apt and yum, nice touch, loving that
[12:45] <spook> rich_dnb: i would suggest becoming familiar with slackware before using it in production
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[12:45] <spook> rich_dnb: its nothing like apt or yum
[12:46] <rich_dnb> in what sense?
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[12:46] <hitest> rich_dnb: not like apt and yum, no dependency checking
[12:46] <spook> slackpkg is a shell script.
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[12:47] <rich_dnb> ah gotcha
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[12:47] <hitest> rich_dnb: very light and fast
[12:47] <rich_dnb> i am loving the speed of slackware
[12:49] <rich_dnb> is there an "assume yes to any questions" switch for slackpkg?
[12:49] <rich_dnb> so that i can script auto updates?
[12:49] <agentc0re> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B394D487498A4A89
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[12:51] <spook> rich_dnb: yes there is.
[12:51] Nick change: hackedhead_ -> hackedhead
[12:51] <spook> rich_dnb: i wouldnt just blindly setup automatic updates
[12:52] <MLanden> cool,agentc0re..just thought of Chicken Little for some strange reason...:D
[12:52] <hitest> rich_dnb: check out the documentation: http://www.slackpkg.org/documentation.html. I think you'll like this application
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[12:53] <kaballas> hi
[12:54] <MLanden> y0 kaballas
[12:54] <kaballas> has anyone noticed a difference in power usage between slack and slack64
[12:54] <kaballas> ?
[12:54] <rich_dnb> so whats the best way, to bomb in there and just run updates and then choose if i want to update or not? I mean, how would I know if I shouldnt be updating a certain package? I guess what im asking is what is a good update strategy?
[12:54] <kaballas> /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state used to show about 1100mA current draw with 12.2
[12:54] <kaballas> now i see about 1600mA with 13-64
[12:55] <MLanden> kaballas: What are the specifications of your system?
[12:55] <kaballas> i updraded to 2.6.31 after reading about some acpi bugs that were fixed in 2.6.30, but still no luck
[12:55] <spook> rich_dnb: for a large number of servers?
[12:55] <rich_dnb> yeah
[12:56] <kaballas> i have an acer emachines e625, amd athlon64 tf-20 cpu, ati radeon mobility x1250, 2G ram 160g HD
[12:56] <kaballas> does the cpu just use more power in 64bit mode?
[12:56] <kaballas> powertop only shows about 70-100 wakeups per 20s with nothing showing up as particularly suspicious
[12:56] <spook> rich_dnb: i would say having a staging area to test the updates dont break things, then keeping your own mirror of the patches that your machines update from automatically.
[12:57] <spook> and you only push the updates to your local mirror when they are ready
[12:57] <rich_dnb> hmm, yes, that sounds good
[12:58] <spook> rich_dnb: a lot of the time, security updates are for stuff you arent even using, but some of it still needs to be updated even if you arent using it
[12:58] <kaballas> acpi wakes up quite a bit (15% of wakeups), and passing acpi=noirq fixes this, but power usage stays about the same
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[12:58] <spook> powertop heh
[12:59] <kaballas> yeah
[12:59] <kaballas> if I cannot get this fixed, i'll have to go back to 12.2
[12:59] <spook> those were the days
[12:59] <kaballas> and 32 bit
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[12:59] <spook> theres a 32bit 13.0
[12:59] <kaballas> true
[13:00] <spook> kaballas: you get a preformance increase from 64bit
[13:00] <kaballas> not noticeable
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[13:01] <kaballas> i actually hoped that a 64bit cpu would use more power if the 32bit emulation stuff was running
[13:02] <kaballas> so running a 64 bit os would decrease the power useage
[13:02] <spook> iirc, its using more registers.
[13:02] <kaballas> ah
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[13:03] <kaballas> i've tried to find 32bit vs 64bit power usage benchmarks, but came up empty
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[13:04] <spook> make your own, dual boot 32 and 64bit slackware?
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[13:04] <kaballas> would be interesting
[13:05] <kaballas> have to suck slack32 through a thin pipe first though
[13:05] <kaballas> maybe I should try building the 32bit from the source on the 64bit disc
[13:07] <spook> no.
[13:07] <kaballas> no?
[13:07] <spook> just no.
[13:07] <spook> kaballas: i suggest you learn about rsync.
[13:08] <spook> could save you some time and bandwidth
[13:08] <kaballas> i know about rsync
[13:08] <kaballas> i pay per Mb though
[13:08] <kaballas> so it's expensive rsync or not
[13:08] <spook> ah ok
[13:09] <Panzer> get someone to mail you disk
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[13:09] <kaballas> yea, i'll get the disc disc from somewhere
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[13:11] <rich_dnb> ahuh, hey spook, thanks for your help
[13:11] <spook> rich_dnb: np.
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[13:15] <hitest> bbl
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[13:23] <agentc0re> kaballas: go to the library and download it.
[13:24] <kaballas> yea dude, I think you will be lucky to find a library with even a computer in it around here
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[13:25] <spook> where are you
[13:25] <kaballas> south africa
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[13:26] <spook> ah.
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[13:31] <MLanden> that's where the world cup's being held next year,right?
[13:32] <kaballas> right
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[13:37] <makos> hello all
[13:37] <makos> Is there anybody who have problems slack13.0 x86_64 with  compiling with g++ and the belonging libraries?
[13:37] <makos> I've some. g++ wants to find in the /usr/lib/gcc/...i486  directory.
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[13:38] <spook> makos: yes.
[13:38] <makos> spook: Do you know the solution of this/
[13:38] <makos> ?
[13:38] <spook> makos: you cant compile 32bit stuff on 64bit without making it multi-lib
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[13:40] <makos> spook: It's sound aweful for me. I am working with my team on a program, but I've no idea to solve this.
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[13:40] <makos> But the problem seems to be simple.
[13:40] <makos> I cant use for example the simple string class in C++.
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[13:40] <spook> makos: google slackware multilib
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[13:47] <plee> Anyone had the error : Cannot convert string "nil2" to Type FontStruct?
[13:47] <spook> plee: this isnt a programming channel
[13:47] <plee> spook, and it's not a programming question
[13:48] <plee> why do you think I'm asking here?
[13:48] <plee> It's a X font error
[13:49] <spook> is it stopping x starting?
[13:50] <plee> it makes X hang, and X quits after a some seconds
[13:51] <spook> good luck
[13:51] <plee> heh
[13:51] <adamk_> You're sure that's the cause of X hanging and quitting?
[13:51] <kaballas> plee, is your font cache up to date?
[13:52] <kaballas> mkfontdir, fc-cache etc?
[13:52] <plee> it should be.. just installed
[13:54] <plee> adamk, it gives that error, hangs and then quits
[13:54] <kaballas> ok, well thats all i have
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[13:54] <antiwire> chopp: I finally got WPA-EAP sorted out and it works
[13:54] <plee> kaballas, spook thanks anyways.
[13:55] <spook> use a sledgehammer
[13:55] <plee> I'll look more into it
[13:55] <antiwire> freaking works. I had a certificate issue
[13:55] <adamk_> plee: I suggest using a pastebin service to show us the full /var/log/Xorg.0.log file after X quits.
[13:56] <plee> adamk, the pc is at a friend of mines.. he is the one looking at it right now..
[13:57] <plee> but I'll look into it, and pastebin if I don't figure it out
[13:57] <plee> adamk, thanks anyways :)
[13:59] <adamk_> Yeah, I have to say that I'm doubtful that error would cause X to hang and then crash.
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[14:02] <plee> yeah, other font error's I have had, has given error's within x, and let me continue working or just hindered X from starting..
[14:02] <MLanden> plee: did you install gnome with consolekit?
[14:03] <plee> no
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[14:04] <plee> MLanden, but X is installed after the the system was up and running. Installed whole of X except some driver packages
[14:04] <MLanden> plee: what video driver?
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[14:07] <plee> MLanden, was just vesa.. but now all X packages are installed, and still no luck
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[14:08] <MLanden> any other errors in console?
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[14:11] <plee> nope, just that one
[14:11] <adamk_> plee: How is your friend starting X?
[14:11] <spook> with a hammer
[14:12] <plee> shotgun and threats :)
[14:12] <plee> startx
[14:12] <adamk_> plee: Have him try something simpler like 'xinit /usr/bin/xterm'
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[14:13] <plee> that works
[14:15] <adamk_> So the issue is that whatever DE is configured by default isn't starting properly.
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[14:15] <adamk_> Or, even, starting at all.
[14:15] <adamk_> What does your friend want to use?
[14:15] <MLanden> plee: when the errors came up,did you log into KDM or XDM before?
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[14:16] <plee> adamk, I think he is going to use kde
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[14:17] <adamk> Have him make sure that /usr/bin/startkde exists and create a ~/.xinitrc file that calls /usr/bin/startkde
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[14:17] <plee> MLanden, just startx
[14:17] <arctanb> hey all, I'm trying to get slackware to work with my intel 4965agn wifi card
[14:18] <Dominian> xwmconfig does that for you automatically
[14:18] <arctanb> wpa_gui doesn't find an adapter - could anyone help?
[14:18] <antiwire> arctanb: The the interface show up in ifconfig and iwconfig yet?
[14:18] <plee> kde is not installed yet
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[14:19] <arctanb> antiwire: it shows in iwconfig, not ifconfig
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[14:19] <antiwire> ok
[14:19] <adamk_> plee: Ahhh, well that's kind of important :-)
[14:19] <plee> hehe :)
[14:19] <antiwire> arctanb: what type of network are you connecting? is it encrypted and if so, which type of encryption?
[14:19] <MLanden> wouldn't twm kick in if no WM/DE's installed?
[14:20] <spook> yes
[14:20] <arctanb> antiwire: it's WPA
[14:20] <antiwire> arctanb: ok one sec
[14:20] <antiwire> I have examples for you
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[14:20] <arctanb> antiwire: that sounds good :)
[14:20] <plee> MLanden, I think we'll try to reproduce it tomorrow, and if it works then, it just some unlucky unknown error :)
[14:21] Action: MLanden knocks on a oak tree for plee...:D
[14:21] <plee> MLanden, and if it doesn't work, we'll try to hunt it down :)
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[14:21] <plee> It's just an test install for now anyways
[14:22] <Nigromante> hello world
[14:22] <antiwire> arctanb: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Wcc4pi97.html
[14:22] <antiwire> I really need to fix that up properly and submit it to a wiki
[14:23] <antiwire> I can also add my write up for WPA-EAP now  ;)
[14:23] <arctanb> antiwire: brill thanks, I'll give you a shout when I find out whether it works
[14:23] <spook> antiwire: good job.
[14:24] <antiwire> arctanb: you can test the wpa_supplicant.conf file in verbose mode by using this: wpa_supplicant -ddd -Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
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[14:24] <antiwire> arctanb: after you setup /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, the output of that command up there will help us help you if it bombs out
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[14:30] <Nigromante> ping
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[14:33] <arctanb> antiwire: OK so wpa_gui thinks it can connect. It detects my ESSID ("Blargh") and BSSID correctly and thinks it's connected
[14:34] <arctanb> unfortunately no connection is actually obtained
[14:34] <arctanb> (no IP address)
[14:34] <Nigromante> are you using dhcp ?
[14:36] <mfillpot> .....
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[14:41] <arctanb> Nigromante: the wifi router is supposed to be acting as a DHCP server for all wifi connections
[14:42] <mfillpot> arctanb: but your system must request the dhcp address from the router
[14:42] <Nigromante> try to set your ip manually
[14:42] <Nigromante> and see if it works
[14:43] <arctanb> Nigromante: you mean in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf ?
[14:43] <Nigromante> yes
[14:43] <Nigromante> and mask
[14:43] <Nigromante> and gateway
[14:43] <mfillpot> or you can call dhcpcd on the connected interface to request an ip address
[14:43] <RipVanWinkle> thats what i do, set all the PC's IP info manually as static, the only negoatiations is between the router & ISP
[14:45] <Nigromante> disabling dhcp also helps annoying wifi intruders
[14:45] <Nigromante> and using uncommon subnet ranges
[14:46] <mfillpot> you can also setup mac address filtering so that only you per-approved wireless devices can connect
[14:47] <Nigromante> and hide your ssid
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[14:47] <Nigromante> (and use AES with WPA)
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[14:48] <RipVanWinkle> yup, i do those two things too, disable ssid broadcast and mac address whitelist
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[14:51] <arctanb2> alright here's the contents of my conf files, if anyone could take a look to see what I'm doing wrong: http://arctanb.pastebin.com/d25a5fdac
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[14:52] <arctanb> (yeah that was me btw - arctanb on my desktop, arctanb2 on my laptop)
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[14:52] <pirving> ok, how do I reduce file size of JPEGS in gImp?  nobody in #gimp
[14:52] <pirving> Remove the alpha channel?
[14:52] <pirving> save to .png format?
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[14:52] <pirving> file>save as?
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[14:53] <AlexElliott_> Slide the quality down when you save it?
[14:53] <pirving> ah
[14:53] <pirving> is it that easy?
[14:53] <arctanb> pirving it's an option when you select JPG I think
[14:53] <AlexElliott_> If you turn on the preview image then it will also tell you what the save size will be
[14:53] <MLanden> pirving: don't slide it too far,you'll really notice the loss....:D
[14:53] <pirving> I went from 97 to 10
[14:53] <pirving> lol
[14:54] <pirving> it looks ok
[14:54] <pirving> here is my site
[14:54] <pirving> www.lakewoodtheater.org
[14:54] <AlexElliott_> It does depend on the image as to how low you can get it without the quality being too dreadful
[14:54] <pirving> trying to work on http://www.lakewoodtheater.org/staff
[14:54] <pirving> right
[14:54] <pirving> It's off a nice cannon camera
[14:54] <pirving> really expensive looking piece of hardware
[14:55] <pirving> EOS something
[14:56] <fire|bird> Canon's EOS line are DSLR's
[14:57] <fire|bird> cheapest one being about $600 USD
[14:57] <MLanden> yeah,they are up there in price...nice photography,pirving
[14:58] <fire|bird> most expensive being around $7000 :)
[14:58] <pirving> thanks man
[14:58] <pirving> I'm a amateur web designer
[14:58] <pirving> I come from A+ MCSE background
[14:58] <fire|bird> That's amazing, that's the price of a used car. :P
[14:58] <pirving> I need my linux +
[14:58] <pirving> I passed all the practice tests
[14:59] <pirving> that whole website was written on linux
[14:59] <MLanden> where in Maine's the theatre?
[14:59] <pirving> seamonkey compozer
[14:59] <pirving> Madison
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[14:59] <pirving> I should put a slackware logo on the bottom of the website with a link to slackware.com
[14:59] <pirving> made with slackware "
[14:59] <pirving> lol
[15:00] <MLanden> awesome.....\m/   :D   \m/
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[15:03] <MLanden> the pictures must be codeced with JPEG XR...so it can compensate with the loss..awesome
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[15:03] <mfillpot> pirving: have you tried using mogrify to change the quality of the picture to reduce filesize
[15:03] <pirving> MLanden: Try www.lakewoodtheater.org/staff and tell me if it takes a long time to load my images are cached
[15:04] <arctanb> anyways could someone please have a look at these conf files and tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[15:04] <pirving> I guess I could clear my cache and hit reload
[15:04] <MLanden> pirving....can't...404ed...:C
[15:04] <arctanb> http://arctanb.pastebin.com/d25a5fdac
[15:04] <pirving> ok
[15:04] <pirving> http://www.lakewoodtheater.org/staff.html
[15:05] <pirving> hehehe
[15:05] <pirving> I'm an amatuer allright
[15:05] <pirving> at least if the web server crashes, I can bring it back up
[15:05] <pirving> the theater is in maine, the server is in utah
[15:05] <pirving> lol
[15:05] <mfillpot> pirving: using "mogrify -quality 66 {filename}" I was able to trim a 10Mp pict from 1.4MB to 452KB and I don't see a difference
[15:05] <pirving> mfillpot:Nice
[15:06] <pirving> how do I tell how long a browser like firefox takes to load a page?
[15:06] <mfillpot> pirving: you can play with the values to find a clean copy without much visible differnce, 66 was just my first attempt
[15:06] <pirving> or can I do a wget?
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[15:07] <pirving> Like here, we have like 1 mb down on our pipe
[15:07] <MLanden> pirving: about 3 minutes at average 800 kbs(DSL)
[15:07] <pirving> and it takes about 1 sec to load it
[15:07] <mfillpot> pirving: it depends on the combined filesize of all elements on the page and the user's intenet connect or your server bandwidth may also limit the speed
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[15:07] <pirving> right, bottleknecks
[15:08] <pirving> *bottlenecks
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[15:08] <pirving> well, it appears to be working fine with no noticable loss in resolution or pixels or whatever they are called
[15:08] <pirving> and it doesn't take a half hour to load
[15:09] <pirving> not for the crappy test on IE, Chrome, Opera, etc
[15:09] <mfillpot> pirving: the good thing about mogify and the imagemagick suite is that once you find a good quality reduction you can batch convert all files in a single command.
[15:09] <pirving> Seamonkey is pretty much firefox
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[15:09] <pirving> yeah, bash prompt rocks, screw winblows
[15:09] <pirving> if I were really good, I'd just code html in vi
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[15:10] <pirving> but I need my Kompozer
[15:10] <pirving> have you guys heard anything on open flash standards?
[15:10] <pirving> I'd like to program flash for this whole theater website
[15:10] <mfillpot> pirving: why don't you setup a css file for formatting to save text on formatting and reduce the filesize?
[15:10] <pirving> with the html backup ofcourse if the plugin isn't installed on the host machine
[15:10] <pirving> right
[15:11] <pirving> I need to RTFM on that css
[15:11] <pirving> I really don't know much about web standards or W3
[15:11] <pirving> I just get paid free beer to do the website
[15:11] <fire|bird> lol
[15:11] <pirving> free as in open
[15:11] <pirving> lol
[15:11] <MLanden> lol,pirving....what brand?
[15:11] <pirving> open source beer
[15:12] <mfillpot> pirving: will halpe alot, I noticedthat most of the html document size is based upon the formatting, a css document can save you substantial load time
[15:12] <pirving> we have many on tap including a lot of micro-brews
[15:12] <MLanden> sweet
[15:12] <pirving> mfillpot: Good point, everyone (Slashdot, digg) use css eh?
[15:12] <pirving> I was reading about writing apps for facebook
[15:12] <fire|bird> pirving: http://www.w3schools.com/css/
[15:13] <pirving> I have a Lakewood Theater Group on facebook that saves me a lot of time with newsletters etc
[15:13] <mfillpot> pirving: most do, it also allows you to use a singel file to control all formatting and color schemes for an entire site
[15:13] <pirving> past production photo's etc
[15:13] <pirving> fire|bird: Thank you
[15:14] <fire|bird> pirving: you're welcome. That site also covers many other things as well, besides css. :)
[15:14] <pirving> I read a bunch of stuff how everyone hates world - wide web consortum is run by Microsoft
[15:14] <pirving> I'm still working on kernelnewbies.org
[15:14] <pirving> lol
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[15:14] <pirving> My background is hardware and the more I get into this, the closer I am a programmer
[15:14] <pirving> or a hacker
[15:14] <AlexElliott_> It is?  My understanding was that Microsoft had almost nothing to do with defining web standards recently
[15:14] <pirving> kernel hacker
[15:15] <pirving> well they were saying that big buisness has a large influence on web standards
[15:15] <fire|bird> haha, there's an all java browser out there (found it on w3's site) called lobo :P
[15:15] <pirving> not microsoft speciffically
[15:15] <pirving> nice
[15:15] <pirving> lobo
[15:15] <pirving> wiki
[15:15] <pirving> sorry, I do overuse the ole' enter key
[15:16] <fire|bird> we know :P
[15:16] <MLanden> lol,fire|bird.....good name
[15:16] <AlexElliott_> Most recently you'd be talking about Apple then most likely
[15:16] <fire|bird> MLanden: yeah, for sure.
[15:16] <pirving> right, too bad the consortum couldn't be run by Linus
[15:16] <fire|bird> MLanden: I'm going to give it a try. :P
[15:16] <pirving> not that he's wantt to
[15:16] <AlexElliott_> Their unwillingness to use OGG Theora meant no media codecs were defined in the draft for HTML5
[15:16] <fire|bird> pirving: Well, get rich and buy it from Microsoft. :P
[15:16] <MLanden> rock on,fire|bird
[15:16] <pirving> that sucks, isn't ogg open?
[15:17] <fire|bird> Although, to do that, you need to get paid in money, not beer. :P
[15:17] <AlexElliott_> Yes, that was why Mozilla, Opera etc wanted it
[15:17] <AlexElliott_> So they don't have to pay for licensing
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[15:17] <pirving> no, my web servers in utah are BSD or linux...wait....netcraft
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[15:17] <pirving> please don't say debian
[15:17] <fire|bird> It's nice being able to play ogg videos in FF without a plugin
[15:17] Action: pirving prays
[15:17] <AlexElliott_> Which they can ill afford unlike Apple and Google
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[15:18] <AlexElliott_> Apple's stated reason for not supporting it is worries of a submarine patent, and quality concerns
[15:18] <AlexElliott_> Compared to the proprietary codecs
[15:18] <MLanden> /~O Me and You and Dog Named Boo O~/ ....lol
[15:18] <ccfreak2k> fire|bird, that's just the container. What about the audio/video codecs?
[15:18] Action: pirving is hoping google will save us all from Microsoft and finally release a Native linux version of chrome
[15:19] <pirving> what about flac?
[15:19] <fire|bird> ccfreak2k: I'm not sure
[15:19] <pirving> that's the best right?
[15:19] <pirving> Free Lossless Audio Codec?
[15:19] <fire|bird> flac is awesome. That's what I rip all my cd's to. :)
[15:19] <AlexElliott_> Lossless for streaming?  No thanks :p
[15:19] <pirving> yeah, it's better audio quality then mp3 right
[15:19] <ccfreak2k> It might go without saying that they probably use OGG Vorbis and Theora for audio and video respectively.
[15:19] <pirving> but way bigger files
[15:19] <pirving> like wav
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[15:20] <pirving> I know if I download anything under 128 bit it sounds like the inside of a washing machine
[15:20] <pirving> on mp3
[15:21] <ccfreak2k> You mean 128kbit?
[15:21] <pirving> maybe more like a digital bath
[15:21] <pirving> kbit sorry
[15:21] Action: pirving is a amatuer
[15:21] <MLanden> kinda like those tiny speakers kids were like bling-bling...:P
[15:21] <MLanden> s/were/wear
[15:21] <AlexElliott_> To be honest, I find it hard to tell any difference between vbr (max 320kb/s) and FLAC :p
[15:21] <ccfreak2k> To me it sounds more like it's being played through a thin sheet of water.
[15:21] <AlexElliott_> But I'm not an audiophile
[15:21] <ccfreak2k> AlexElliott_, most people wouldn't.
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[15:22] <pirving> Well, I do all the sound engineering at the theater so I should know this shit, but I don't
[15:22] <ccfreak2k> FLAC, however, can guarantee that you can re-burn the music from the FLAC files and recreate the audio stream bit-for-bit.
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[15:22] <pirving> do new cd players play flac?
[15:22] <ccfreak2k> None that I've seen really.
[15:22] <pirving> I've heard of a dvd player that plays AVI's but I have yet to see one
[15:23] <pirving> AVI, MPG, etc
[15:23] <fire|bird> MLanden: Ugh, that Lobo is SLOW. :P
[15:23] <pirving> right off the burned CD-R
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[15:23] <ccfreak2k> I would expect a DVD player to play MPEGs.
[15:23] <fire|bird> Most dvd players can play at least mpegs
[15:23] <ccfreak2k> After all, DVDs and video CDs use MPEG for their video streams.
[15:23] <pirving> nice, any boys here use handbrake?
[15:23] <pirving> LOVE IT
[15:23] <AlexElliott_> I know of some portable media devices that play FLAC, OGG and similar, but not CD players
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[15:24] <pirving> It's nice k3b comes pre-installed in Slack now
[15:24] <Reticenti> what's the command line partitioner included with slack?
[15:24] <ccfreak2k> Most CD players I know of that play music files usually only read MP3.
[15:24] <AlexElliott_> Cowon for example are usually good for format support
[15:24] <pirving> cfdisk
[15:24] <ccfreak2k> Reticenti, fdisk?
[15:24] <pirving> no
[15:24] <pirving> fdisk
[15:24] <MLanden> lobo the software or the person/group,fire|bird?
[15:24] <fire|bird> ccfreak2k: and many can play wma :P
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[15:24] <fire|bird> MLanden: haha, the browser I just installed, it's aweful.
[15:24] <ccfreak2k> fire|bird, yeah. PlaysForSure usually tells you whether or not it does, though.
[15:24] <fire|bird> yeah
[15:25] <Reticenti> is cfdisk still good? (i like my guis)
[15:25] <ccfreak2k> Though, I've heard that WMA sounds sightly better than MP3s at a given bitrate.
[15:25] <pirving> cfdisk rocks
[15:25] <ccfreak2k> Reticenti, works fine if you can do what you need with it.
[15:25] <AlexElliott_> It depends how you encode it I would think
[15:25] <fire|bird> ccfreak2k: Yeah, I used to use wma's just because the file size was a bit smaller and still had decent sound quality.
[15:25] <pirving> cfdisk = newbies = pirving
[15:25] <AlexElliott_> You can get good low-rate mp3 encoders, and good high-rate ones
[15:26] <AlexElliott_> But I can't say I actually know
[15:26] <mfillpot> use fdisk
[15:26] <pirving> looks like we're stuck with mp3's for a while
[15:26] <pirving> until people wisen up
[15:26] <MLanden> fire|bird: how did it score over at http://acid3.acidtests.org/ ?
[15:26] <fire|bird> MLanden: I didn't test it, it was so slow I just closed it. :P
[15:27] <pirving> we need a political party like I'm a Libertarian http://www.lp.org however, I'd join the Linxertarian party
[15:27] <ccfreak2k> Someone once made a wav file of what LAME cut out while encoding.
[15:27] <ccfreak2k> It pretty much sounded like everything above 16kHz.
[15:27] <Reticenti> ok, I found a HDD today that I want to add
[15:27] <fire|bird> haha
[15:28] <ccfreak2k> Reticenti, if you just want one partition for the disk, cfdisk is fine.
[15:28] <ccfreak2k> Just make sure you selected the right disk for partitioning.
[15:28] <fire|bird> heh, Apple has open sourced Snow Leopards Grand Central Dispatch
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[15:28] <Reticenti> so, to mount /home on this new hdd, the process is: mount it, partition it, copy /home from old disk, edit fstab to boot it, right?
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[15:28] <pirving> cfdisk /dev/hda   or cfdisk /dev/sda
[15:28] <ccfreak2k> Reticenti, partition first, then mkfs, THEN mount.
[15:29] <Reticenti> ah, ok
[15:29] <pirving> cfdisk /dev/hdb  or cfdisk /dev/sdb
[15:29] <ccfreak2k> or c
[15:29] <ccfreak2k> or d.
[15:29] <Reticenti> yeah
[15:30] <Reticenti> ok, brb, pluggin in the hdd
[15:30] <pirving> make sure it's off
[15:30] <pirving> unless a hotswap
[15:30] <pirving> raid array, etc
[15:31] <ccfreak2k> I think my external hard drive enclosure became damaged before/after the blackout during the fire.
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[15:31] <pirving> I've seen cigarette damage and lightning damage and plain throw out the window damage
[15:32] <pirving> all the trials and tribulations of a CompTIA A+ certified technician
[15:32] <pirving> A+ = newbie
[15:32] <pirving> screw certifications, I will just start my own buisness like all the people I see in the phone book
[15:32] <pirving> Uh, whats Leeeenux?
[15:33] <pirving> Hodges Linux Technology Group
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[15:34] <ccfreak2k> pirving, I think this is actually a result of electrical surge than anything else.
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[15:39] <Strykar> Anybody else having trouble with IPMI with IBM's BMC?
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[15:42] <macavity> oh man.. 1MB/s is starting to seem slow
[15:42] <macavity> geif biggar intartube! :P
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[15:45] <MLanden> give it time,macavity...it'll be like 1TB/s will seem slow...:P
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[15:47] <MLanden> whoops...passed the gigabyte per second marker somewhere along the way
[15:48] <ccfreak2k> I can't even sustain more than a few MB/s write to any of my hard drives.
[15:48] <macavity> MLanden: yes, but by then dvd isos wont be 4.2GB
[15:48] <macavity> owait...
[15:48] Action: macavity fails
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[15:49] <fire|bird> greetings macavity, how's it going?
[15:49] <macavity> fire|bird: i am depressed
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[15:50] <fire|bird> Well that's not good. Depressed over 1MB/s ? :P
[15:50] <macavity> fire|bird: because i cant make up any more $SYNONYM|$SYNONYM constructs for your name :-/
[15:50] Action: macavity giggles
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[15:51] <fire|bird> Well, I have a random dictionary script that puts two random words together. :P
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[15:51] <fire|bird> like, eyelid|photosensitive
[15:51] <MLanden> go for $ANATONYM|$ANATONYM's
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[15:52] <Buggabo0> hi guys
[15:52] <yesyes> hi bugg a bo zero
[15:53] <Buggabo0> what does the sequence of numbers mean in xmodmap or xorg.conf "input ... buttonmapping" for the mouse input?
[15:54] <Buggabo0> first position from the left is left mouse-click... 2nd right ... etc.?
[15:54] <MLanden> Buggabo0: is there MotionNotify in front?
[15:55] <Buggabo0> nope.
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[15:55] Action: MLanden fails...sorry,in xorg.conf
[15:57] <rg3> Buggabo0: man xmodmap, it describes the syntax
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[15:57] <Buggabo0> thanks
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[16:00] <MLanden> fire|bird: does that script have a filter to keep out the bad ones? :P
[16:01] <Buggabo0> rg3, how do I know which number is for the middle-click (which launches a new tab in firefox)
[16:01] <Buggabo0> I mean which position.
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[16:02] <rg3> Buggabo0: i honestly don't remember because it's been ages since i had to configure xmodmap, but i'm gonna guess you can find out by using "xev"
[16:03] <fire|bird> MLanden: I don't believe so, no. :P
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[16:04] <MLanden> fire|bird: lol....guess that's a good thing then...:D
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[16:04] <fire|bird> MLanden: This is all it is if you want to mess with it: echo "$(sort -R /usr/share/dict/words |head -1)|$(sort -R /usr/share/dict/words |head -1)"
[16:05] <MLanden> cool...thanks,fire|bird
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[16:05] <arctanb> hmm well here is where I've got to with my wifi: wpa_gui 's status alternates between scanning and 4way_handshake and its last message keeps going 'disconnect - remove keys'.
[16:05] <arctanb> but it never actually connects
[16:06] <kaballas> arctanb, WPA or WPA2?
[16:06] <arctanb> it normally thinks it has an IP address because I'd previously run "dhclient wlan0"
[16:06] <arctanb> kaballas: according to the router: "WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK Mixed"
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[16:06] <kaballas> I had a problem a while ago on a WPA2 network
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[16:07] <kaballas> had to upgrade the kernel to get new ath5k drivers for it to work
[16:07] <kaballas> looks like yours can take WPA or WPA2
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[16:07] <arctanb> yep
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[16:08] <kaballas> do you get a message like "pre shared key might be incorrect"?
[16:08] <arctanb> oh wait
[16:08] <kaballas> sometimes wicd doesn't generate the correct psk from the passkey (you'll see a bunch of hits on google)
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[16:09] <arctanb> lol it's finally connected
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[16:09] <kaballas> then you have to generate the psk with wpa_passphrase
[16:09] <kaballas> cool
[16:09] <arctanb> so the solution is to sit here waiting for literally 5 minutes
[16:09] <arctanb> :P
[16:09] <kaballas> what's the signal level like?
[16:10] <arctanb> I'm right next to the router, about 50 cm away
[16:10] <kaballas> ahh
[16:10] <arctanb> signal is "100"
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[16:10] <arctanb> according to wpa_gui
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[16:12] <arctanb> wpa_gui keeps telling me it's continually connecting and disconnecting
[16:12] <arctanb> yet I'm getting a pretty consistent connection while surfing
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[16:14] <reti> i just restarted my computer, and now I can't connect to my router (wifi), how can I connect?
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[16:15] <reti> i do the wpa_supplicant etc etc, but it says the network is down
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[16:16] <reti> i do ifconfig, and wlan0 (the iface i was usng) is not listed
[16:17] <reti> so what's happening?
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[16:21] <reti> ok, i just stopped iptables, and it was that
[16:22] <reti> so can soeone help me troubleshoot my iptables script?
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[16:23] <Reticenti> are youguys all sleeping?
[16:24] <StevenR> yes
[16:24] <nix_chix0r> its naptime
[16:24] <Reticenti> siesta time
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[16:26] <Quiznos> i'm awake
[16:26] <Reticenti> can you help me with iptables?
[16:26] <Reticenti> it breaks my connection
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[16:26] <Quiznos> nop; get a frontend
[16:26] <Reticenti> what would you suggest?
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[16:26] <MLanden> /~O Time For Teacher O~/
[16:26] <Quiznos> freshmeat and sourceforge have alot
[16:26] <Quiznos> alot of choice
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[16:29] <antiwire> I wonder if iphone support WPA-EAP
[16:29] <antiwire> what about OSX?
[16:29] <StevenR> antiwire: yes. the iphone will
[16:29] <antiwire> StevenR: awesome, it lets you enter certificate info?
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[16:29] <StevenR> antiwire: it lets you accept the server cert.... we don't use client certs so I'm not certain about that
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[16:30] <antiwire> Does the CA server/ap/radius server need to support pushing certs?
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[16:30] <antiwire> Time to figure out how to make hostapd do that
[16:30] <StevenR> well the radius server will push the server cert
[16:31] <antiwire> I'm using hostapd's built in radius right now
[16:31] <antiwire> I'll check it out. thanks
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[16:35] <antiwire> StevenR: in the setup that you described, every client uses the same cert?
[16:35] <antiwire> they all just use the server's cert?
[16:35] <StevenR> they use their domain login details (samba PDC) using MSCHAPv2
[16:36] <antiwire> I'm creating new certificate requests for each client and signing them against my CA. the CA has its cert, the AP has its own cert and each client has its own cert, all of which are signed against the CA
[16:36] <StevenR> fine, that's the other way.
[16:36] Action: StevenR is NOT generating (eventually) 850 client certs
[16:37] <antiwire> StevenR: yeah
[16:37] <antiwire> that would be a pain in the ass
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[16:51] <Reticenti> i'm trying to partition a new hdd, but cfdisk cant seem to find it
[16:51] <Reticenti> it should be hdb, that's what dmesg told me
[16:51] <Reticenti> but cfdisk cant open it
[16:52] <heaumer> did you try fdisk -l ?
[16:53] <Reticenti> ah, it
[16:53] <Reticenti> it's under hdb1
[16:53] <Reticenti> FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends after end-of-disk Press any key to exit cfdisk
[16:53] <heaumer> :p
[16:53] <Reticenti> :\
[16:53] <Reticenti> i have windows xp installed on it, but i want to wipe it
[16:54] <Pig_Pen> i would write zeros to the entire disk and start over Reticenti
[16:54] <Reticenti> how do i do that?
[16:54] <Pig_Pen> dd
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[16:54] <Pig_Pen> use a live CD to do it
[16:55] <Reticenti> it's a slave, can i do it from slack?
[16:55] <Pig_Pen> hows that syntax? dd if=/dev/#### of=/dev/zero (something like that)
[16:56] <Pig_Pen> yeah, just do not have any mounted partitions on it when doing it
[16:56] <Reticenti> ok
[16:56] <Reticenti> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M     ?
[16:56] <Pig_Pen> its hda? make sure that is the correct device
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[16:56] <Reticenti> well yeah
[16:56] <Pig_Pen> ok
[16:56] <Reticenti> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb1 bs=1M     ?
[16:57] <Pig_Pen> after that finishes then see if cfdisk will read it, it should show an unformated disk without any partitions
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[16:58] <Reticenti> ok
[16:58] <Pig_Pen> how big is that disk
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[17:05] <LnxSlck_> my thunar doesn't display the icons. any ideas on this?
[17:05] <MLanden> LnxSlck_: what is showing? anything?
[17:06] <LnxSlck_> it shows the same icon
[17:06] <LnxSlck_> a grey folder
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[17:06] <fire|bird> LnxSlck_: Are you using thunar in a different de/wm?
[17:06] <fire|bird> than xfce
[17:06] <LnxSlck_> fire|bird, yes
[17:06] <LnxSlck_> fire|bird, in kde
[17:06] <fire|bird> LnxSlck_: try using the run dialog box (Alt + F2) and running xfsettingsd
[17:07] <MLanden> gtk and qt4 lock horns
[17:07] <Pig_Pen> that could be the reason why, log in to xfce and see if it works
[17:07] <LnxSlck_> ok
[17:07] <LnxSlck_> i'll try that
[17:07] <Pig_Pen> gtk and qt should merge in to a HUGE bloated library/kitchenSink, call it gqtk ;p
[17:08] <LnxSlck_> i remember having this issue with slack 12 and kde 3
[17:08] <LnxSlck_> but i got it to work
[17:08] <MLanden> lol,Pig_Pen....like one of those mystery drinks you hear an uncle brag 'bout..:P
[17:09] <Pig_Pen> yeah, or those wet sloppy sandwiches you have to eat with a towel in your lap or over the sink
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[17:09] <Pig_Pen> chiliburger
[17:10] <MLanden> Make it manwich......(---XX**X--)
[17:10] <Reticenti> Pig_Pen: it's 200gb
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[17:11] <Pig_Pen> those TA truckstops have chiliburgers they taste great but will make you put on the pounds, when i was driving truck crosscountry i started getting fat eating them, i had to quit the chiliburgers and start eating salads
[17:11] <Pig_Pen> Reticenti: that will take a little while, maybe a couple of hours, just let it run
[17:11] <MLanden> loaded with peppers,Pig_Pen?
[17:12] <Reticenti> aaok
[17:12] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[17:12] <Reticenti> is writing zeros to it really neccesary?
[17:12] <MLanden> yup,definately put pounds on ya
[17:13] <Pig_Pen> Reticenti: if cfdisk or fdisk wont read it i cant think of anything else
[17:13] <Reticenti> ok
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[17:14] <Reticenti> oh, fdisk can see it
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[17:14] <Reticenti> Pig_Pen: it says it has 24790 cylinders, is this normal for a 200gb drive?
[17:15] <Reticenti> i dont thing so, since cylinders = plates, rihgT?
[17:15] <Reticenti> s/thing/think
[17:15] <Pig_Pen> i have a 500gig drive, let me see what it has in cyls
[17:15] <Pig_Pen> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
[17:15] <Reticenti> oh ok
[17:16] <Pig_Pen> that is probably accurate for fdisk
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[17:16] <Pig_Pen> Reticenti: there was nothing on that disk you wanted to save was there???
[17:16] <Reticenti> oh, and cfdisk can read it now
[17:16] <Reticenti> weird
[17:17] <Pig_Pen> hmm
[17:17] <Reticenti> i ran dd for about 5 minutes and now it can raed it ..
[17:17] <Reticenti> \maybe it jsut had to fix something at the beginning
[17:17] <Pig_Pen> with cfdisk you have to point it at the disk you want to use: cfdisk /dev/hdb
[17:17] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[17:18] <Pig_Pen> something at the beginning of the disk was screwy, maybe the MBR
[17:18] <Reticenti> if i just want this to be my /home drive, do i have to make it bootable/
[17:18] <Pig_Pen> no
[17:18] <Pig_Pen> just make a disk partition, or as many as you need
[17:18] <Reticenti> ok
[17:18] <Reticenti> and ext4 is good for /home?
[17:19] <Pig_Pen> one thing with disk partitions = primary & logical you can only make 4 primary disk partitions, but if you make only 3 primary disk partitions and make that fourth partition a logical you can make as many logical partitions as you want after that
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[17:20] <Pig_Pen> ext4 is fine if that is what you want
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[17:22] <i_is_cat> hmmm one of my usb sticks suddenly stopped working.. it shows up in dmesg but not fdisk -l i plugged it in maybe an hour ago and umounted it then unplugged it now im going to try and use it again and i wont let me mount anything
[17:22] <i_is_cat> anyone know how to fix this?
[17:22] <dissociative> anyone has some idea on how to track a lost or stolen usb stick? lol
[17:23] <dissociative> I'm a bit worried about its contents  rather than the stick itself
[17:23] <Pig_Pen> wrap it in C4 and if the thief does not type in a password after plugging it in they blow up ;p
[17:23] <mancha> its a little late to be worried, dontya thunk?
[17:23] <nix_chix0r> sucks having to go to the store when you only need toilet paper
[17:24] <Reticenti> Pig_Pen: there wasnt anything i wanted to save
[17:24] <mfillpot> dissociative: you could have scripted the autorun file to ping a server/port to report it's ip address
[17:25] <byteframe> My wine games don't work after I went to 13.0.
[17:25] <MLanden> i_is_cat: It's not hot to the touch,is it?
[17:25] <mfillpot> byteframe: are you running 64-bit slackware?
[17:25] <Pig_Pen> you will have to mount that disk with some other mount point, then move the contents of /home in to it, umount it then remount it as /home
[17:25] <i_is_cat> MLanden, nope
[17:25] <byteframe> mfillpot, no, but I think it's a similar issue.
[17:25] <byteframe> I reformated and reinstalled the new slackware. None of my steam games are working. I'm using wine-1.1.28, and the only error that is printed is : err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c000001d flags 0 addr 0x7ede1571. I'm lost.
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[17:25] <MLanden> i_is_cat: what shows up in dmesg?
[17:26] <Reticenti> Pig_Pen: if i want to encrypt it, what program should i use?
[17:26] <i_is_cat> http://pastebin.ca/1564661
[17:26] <mfillpot> byteframe: did you confirm the md5sum of wine before you installed?
[17:26] <Pig_Pen> Reticenti: i am not sure, i do not do any disk encryption myself, i think alienBOB does so he might now
[17:27] <byteframe> mfillpot, of the source package? I compile from git...
[17:27] <mancha> use dm-crypt to encrypt it
[17:27] <antiwire> Reticenti: look on the mirrors or on the media for README_CRYPT
[17:27] <byteframe> mfillpot, (I tried this on the 1.1.28, but am I current git now...)
[17:27] <Reticenti> ok
[17:28] <antiwire> Reticenti: alienBOB wrote that and many of us use it
[17:28] <mancha> most people use the LUKS extension because it allows for simple key change w/o re-encryption
[17:28] <antiwire> indeed
[17:28] <antiwire> I use luks on /
[17:28] <mfillpot> byteframe: have you compared your compile methods with what is used in the most recent slackbuild?
[17:28] <Reticenti> and cfdisk can't write the partition do it... :\
[17:28] <byteframe> mfillpot, no, I will.
[17:28] <mancha> and don't go by ALien's howto, that is a total disk enc setup that does things so you can boot the encrypted drive
[17:28] <mancha> if you only encrypt /home it is much easier
[17:28] <Reticenti> ok
[17:29] <i_is_cat> MLanden, and my other systems dmesg is different: http://pastebin.ca/1564662
[17:29] <mancha> all you need is to encrypte the drive and then put the rigth line in fstab
[17:29] <mfillpot> byteframe: quite often when grabbing a new version of an app you will have to apply some patches or modification to make it work correctly on your chosen distro, that is why we use slackbuilds
[17:29] <mancha> it'll prompt you for a password when you mountit
[17:30] <antiwire> chopp: I'm going to keep typing your nick every five hours until I see you again.
[17:30] <byteframe> mfillpot, I've been quite successful in wineing stuff. But after installing new x86 slack, both my laptop and desktop here crash when trying to launch the 3d games...
[17:30] <antiwire> my SlackAP project is getting closer.
[17:31] <Reticenti> in cfdisk, how do i write the ext4 partion to it? i just have it at the "linux" partition
[17:32] <mancha> you specify an fs type, you don't write ext4 to it
[17:32] <Pig_Pen> not sure myself, i am using ext3 still because i dual boot 12.2 with 13
[17:32] <MLanden> i_is_cat: what format is the drive set to?
[17:32] <Pig_Pen> i want to be able to access 13 from within 12.2
[17:32] <fhobia> anybody using scim in firefox?
[17:33] <Reticenti> do i have to run mkfs?
[17:33] <mancha> set it to 83, thats linux
[17:33] <Reticenti> ok, then what do i do, mancha ?
[17:33] <mancha> yes, you need to make the filesystem
[17:33] <i_is_cat> MLanden, i used alienbobs slackware usb installer script on it so i believe its a small fat32 and a bigger ext2 but i could be wrong
[17:34] <Reticenti> mkfs.ext4 /dev/hdb1   ?
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[17:34] <mancha> mkfs.blah
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[17:34] <mancha> yes Ret
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[17:35] <byteframe> mfillpot, i'll reinstall kernel-generic, and try from it.
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[17:36] <byteframe> the wine slackbuild doesn't show any startling differences...
[17:36] <i_is_cat> damn things only like a month old too..
[17:37] <Reticenti> i did mkfs, and after i ran it, i did fdisk -l, and it says it's still a NTFS disk, do i have to restart?
[17:37] <mancha> ok, you're doing this backwards
[17:38] <Reticenti> i already did cfdisk, mancha
[17:38] <mancha> set it to 83, capische? then write the partition table
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[17:38] <mancha> then make the fs
[17:38] <user51> hi , i have added this line "/dev/sda3        /mnt/folder3      ext4        defaults         1   1" to mount partation i m sucessfully able to mount partation but non-root user have only read permission , wat to do to in fstab to gt full permissions ( read and write ) for non-rot user?
[17:38] <Reticenti> mancha: yeah, i already did that, and in that order, but fdisk still sees it as ntfs
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[17:39] <mancha> then you messed up.
[17:39] <mancha> go back to step #1 and try again
[17:39] <MLanden> i_is_cat: Does sdd1 show in /dev?
[17:40] <mancha> if you didn't type "W" at cfdisk you did not write the partition table
[17:40] <i_is_cat> not with the #
[17:40] <mancha> so it should not surprise you that the partition tabl;e is not different than before
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[17:40] <mancha> man cfdisk explains this i am sure
[17:41] <Reticenti> mancha: i did write it though :\
[17:41] <mancha> i doubt it, pics or it didn't happen
[17:41] <Reticenti> :|
[17:42] <mancha> did it ask you to confirm or deny writing the part table?
[17:43] <Reticenti> when i cal mkfs, the entire command is "mkfs.ext4 /dev/hdb1"
[17:43] <Reticenti> yes it did, and i typed yes
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[17:43] <mancha> ok and what does "it sees it as ntfs" mean?
[17:43] <MLanden> i_is_cat: Is that the only usb device failing on you?
[17:43] <user51> hi , i have added this line "/dev/sda3        /mnt/folder3      ext4        defaults         1   1" to mount partation i m sucessfully able to mount partation but non-root user have only read permission , wat to do to in fstab to gt full permissions ( read and write ) for non-rot user?
[17:44] <Reticenti> i type "fdisk -l" and it still labels the hdd as ntfs, even after i wrote it
[17:44] <i_is_cat> yep it is
[17:44] <i_is_cat> my other stick still works fine
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[17:44] <mancha> then you didn't write the part table to disk successfully
[17:44] <Reticenti> mancha: and i just redid the entire process, and after i did it, i ran cfdisk again, and it says that the hdd is all freespace
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[17:45] <mancha> i think you are screwing up the partition process. look for a cfdisk howto online
[17:46] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0
[17:46] <mancha> when you say "shows free space" you mean after typing "p" ?
[17:46] <Reticenti> mancha: after i write the partition table, i get this: "WrNo primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannont boot this.e."
[17:46] <mancha> use "p" make sure it shows what you want before writing
[17:47] <MLanden> i_is_cat: did you write alien script from a windows computer? maybe U3 Launchpad(windows compression)  was written on the header?
[17:48] <i_is_cat> nope i only run linux
[17:48] <Reticenti> mancha: cfdisk just isnt writing the partition correctly
[17:48] <mancha> so use fdisk
[17:48] <macavity> user51: see the gid and uid options in mount(8)
[17:49] <macavity> ok.. time to watch a movie
[17:49] <macavity> l8r
[17:49] <mancha> fdisk /dev/hdb
[17:49] <mancha> then "p
[17:49] <mancha> if things are good you can write. if not then re-do the partitions, delete and re-make if needed
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[17:55] <Reticenti>  to mount the drive, do I have to put the info in fstab?
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[17:56] <fire|bird> Reticenti: If you want it to mount each time you start the pc, otherwise you can just mount it yourself as needed.
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[17:56] <MLanden> i_is_cat: looks like the boot loader is corrupted...try udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda`
[17:56] <Reticenti> fire|bird: i want to mount it right now to make sure it works, how would i do that?
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[17:57] <i_is_cat> dont have udevinfo
[17:57] <fire|bird> You could use mount /dev/whatever_this_drive_is /mnt/some_name_here
[17:57] <fire|bird> Reticenti: ^^^
[17:57] <Pig_Pen> i bet udev has not found it yet so the devices have not made it in to /dev yet
[17:57] <Pig_Pen> restart udev
[17:58] <Reticenti> how do i restart udev? :\
[17:59] <fire|bird> with /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart
[17:59] <fire|bird> you need root privileges for that
[17:59] <Reticenti> yeah
[18:00] <fhobia> when are the scripts in /etc/profile.d run ?
[18:00] <Reticenti> i restarted udev, and now when i run "mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb" it says mount point dhb does not exist
[18:00] <MLanden> i_is_cat: did you try that logged in root? using sdd instead of sda
[18:01] <i_is_cat> yep
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[18:01] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, i'm going to go to the store with my change jar and buy bulk toilet paper
[18:01] <nix_chix0r> have them count out the change for me
[18:01] <fire|bird> Reticenti: you have to make it first. mkdir /mnt/hdb
[18:01] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: hahahaha
[18:01] <fire|bird> That should be fun
[18:02] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, insist on hurring up as the toilet paper would  show i had some sort of inconstinence problem
[18:02] <fire|bird> lol
[18:02] <inman> can some one help me by a commad what i forget!
[18:02] <inman> =
[18:02] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: bring a video camera along and toss it on youtube. :P
[18:02] <nix_chix0r> ha
[18:02] <nix_chix0r> yeah, i just hate having to go to the store for only one thing
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[18:02] <inman> need to update the pkgtool list after installing some packages, what was that command for this?
[18:02] <nix_chix0r> especially toilet paper
[18:03] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: and go to the one clerk that's the older lady and real cranky. :P
[18:03] <nix_chix0r> ha
[18:03] <fire|bird> There's always one of those. :P
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[18:03] <thrice`> inman: it does it on its own
[18:03] <fire|bird> it seems that way anyway.
[18:03] <inman> no
[18:03] <inman> i know it doesnt do that
[18:03] <Reticenti> how do i see what filesystem the drive is i just mounted?
[18:03] <antiwire> inman: if you used installpkg, the list is updated automatically.
[18:03] <inman> i had the same issue for a long time
[18:03] <inman> i installed some package
[18:03] <antiwire> inman: if you just randomly make installed something, you're on your own
[18:04] <i_is_cat> MLanden, udevadm monitor -e +unplug/replug usb stick results at: http://pastebin.ca/1564694
[18:04] <Pig_Pen> does cfdisk not support ext4 yet?
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[18:04] <thrice`> inman: um, it just pulls up a list of /var/log/packages/
[18:05] <Reticenti> Pig_Pen: i installed slack13 with cfdisk, and i made it a ext4
[18:05] <inman> antiwire: i installed slackware to be free, dont like such upgrade things, anyway i had to update some package, what acctualy is not updated, and i know there was some things which i saw long time ago
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[18:05] <antiwire> waaa
[18:06] <antiwire> It sounds to me like you don't know what you are doing.
[18:06] <Pig_Pen> ok
[18:07] <Reticenti> Pig_Pen: i think it may have worked, i'm currently copying over /home/* to it
[18:07] <antiwire> inman: if you want the package list to reflect what you install yourself you don't need to be un "free". You need to package the programs yourself to get them to show up in the package lists or track what you install manually on your own.
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[18:07] <Pig_Pen> dont just _copy_ /home over, *move* everything inside /home over to it
[18:08] <Reticenti> well, Pig_Pen if it doesnt work, i still want to make sure i have /home
[18:08] <Pig_Pen> ah, ok, good point :)
[18:08] <Reticenti> :)
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[18:09] <Reticenti> once i do that, i should be able to unmount it, then mount /dev/hdb1 /home, right?
[18:09] <inman> anitwire: as i know form loge time ago probably  slackware 12, i had to update the package list with a command and i didnt need anymore to restart
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[18:09] <Pig_Pen> yup
[18:09] <Pig_Pen> mount /dev/hdb1 /home
[18:10] <antiwire> inman: no.
[18:10] <Reticenti> alright, afk while it copies
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[18:11] <inman> antiwire: believe me yes ;)
[18:12] <antiwire> no.
[18:13] <antiwire> There is no such command. pkgtools displays the packages that are in /var/log/packages and they get to be there when a proper Slackware package is created and installed using the pkgtools.
[18:13] <Pig_Pen> inman, what a lot of people do to prevent all the caveats and gotchas caused by upgrading is just wipe the OS off and do a clean install
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[18:13] <antiwire> how does wiping the OS related to the package list question?
[18:13] <antiwire> relate*
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[18:14] <inman> it was non of them!
[18:14] <inman> so let me say so
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[18:14] <Pig_Pen> isnt inman that fellow that was having problems with performing an upgrade yesterday or a couple of days ago?
[18:14] <i_is_cat> MLanden, udevadm test /block/sdc results: http://pastebin.ca/1564704
[18:15] <antiwire> inman: First off, you're not making sense. Second, there is no tool to add manually installed programs to /var/log/packages.
[18:15] <MLanden> ok...thanks,I_is_cat
[18:15] <antiwire> and third, no...I will not believe you.
[18:15] <inman> i installed some thing from source what i needed for a difference things! and know he didnt see them, and says they are not installed, but they are installed correctly in correct folder!
[18:15] <antiwire> they are installed properly.
[18:15] <antiwire> they will not show in /var/log/packages because you didn't package them.
[18:15] <i_is_cat> it seems to be recognized but theres an 'error opening volume' line in that last paste
[18:16] <inman> as i recall from 11 at this time i need to run that command what i forget know! and i dont know what was that things!
[18:16] <Pig_Pen> always use installpkg becuase there is an install script that makes all the apropriate symlinks and runs any pre and/or post install scripts
[18:16] <antiwire> inman: This is the last time I'll say this; there is no command to add manually installed programs to /var/log/packages. You are confused.
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[18:17] <inman> but i packaged them!!! why no one believe me
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[18:17] <BP{k}> inman: Why do I have a feeling that you mean "ldconfig(8)" ?
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[18:17] <inman> thats ittttttttttttttttt
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[18:17] <Pig_Pen> you heard "pics or it didnt happen" well we want video or it didnt happen
[18:18] <inman> tanx BP
[18:18] <MLanden> right,i_is_cat....check line 92...edd support
[18:18] <antiwire> ...
[18:18] <BP{k}> inman: but if you have packaged the software. ldconfig is called by installpkg.
[18:18] <antiwire> ldconfig has nothing to do with pkgtool and /var/log/packages seeing the mess you created.
[18:19] <inman> but know i see them there antiwire
[18:19] <inman> i have all of them 3 know in my packagetool!
[18:19] <i_is_cat> uh.. but it was just working fine... why would it just suddenly stop? :S
[18:19] <i_is_cat> and my other stick gets set as sdc1
[18:20] <antiwire> inman: that's not what you said though. You clearly said update the package list: (2009-09-13 15:09:19) inman: anitwire: as i know form loge time ago probably  slackware 12, i had to update the package list with a command and i didnt need anymore to restart
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[18:20] <i_is_cat> and the info on that one also says edd is off but its working fine..
[18:21] <inman> antiwire: i told i dont want to update anythings, i need only a commend which help me by updating the list of package!
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[18:21] <agentc0re> inman: man slackpkg
[18:21] <i_is_cat> they are identical sticks also
[18:21] <agentc0re> i'm sure it's already been said.
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[18:24] <inman> agentc0re: i needed the farsight2 and it is not on his last version there.
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[18:24] <antiwire> good luck with pidgin and voice/video
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[18:24] <agentc0re> inman: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/12.2/pidgin-2.6.1/
[18:24] <inman> antiwire: tanx, hope it works!
[18:25] <antiwire> it most likely won't work too well
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[18:25] <inman> agentc0re: we are on 2.6.2
[18:25] <agentc0re> inman: i know.  modify the scripts to fit your needs.
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[18:26] <agentc0re> inman: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/13.0/pidgin-2.6.2/
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[18:26] <agentc0re> Dive updated his site.  didn't notice that before.
[18:26] <inman> Pig-Pen: the issue what i asked yesterday was my hard drive!!!
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[18:27] <Pig_Pen> ah, my bad, i guess i cornfused you with someone else
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[18:27] <inman> agentc0re: hahaha you dont give up, i like do all my self
[18:28] <MLanden> i_is_cat:  don't know what might might have caused it
[18:28] <inman> Pige-Pen: you know the booting problem
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[18:28] <antiwire> agentc0re: see what the issue is?
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[18:28] <Pig_Pen> i dont remember
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[18:29] <antiwire> inman: are you writing your own build script or are you just ./configure && make && make install?
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[18:29] <i_is_cat> i havent got a clue it was working fine one moment then doesnt work the next.. it hasnt gone anywhere except my netbook usb port, 3 inches to the left on my desk, then down into my desktop tower and then back and forth between netbook and tower i dunno wtf the deal is
[18:29] <inman> Pig_pen: god you gave me the slax and told me, that i have grammar problem!
[18:30] <Pig_Pen> ah, did you fix that laptop so you can boot it?
[18:30] <antiwire> This has got to be trollage
[18:30] <Pig_Pen> your grammar is doing much better today
[18:31] <agentc0re> ... omf.wt..ahhh
[18:31] Action: agentc0re brain implodes
[18:31] <agentc0re> you see myself all the issue of.
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[18:32] <Pig_Pen> grammar and sentence structure has to have flow to it, you can tell when someone does not natively speak english or is not very good at it, sometimes they are hard to understand like trying to drive a car over a pile of large rocks
[18:32] <inman> antiwire: ur right! i do all security update, and almost to many other, i update them before pat make packages!
[18:33] <antiwire> inman: You still didn't answer; are you making packages or are you just running "make install" ?
[18:33] <inman> anit-wire: on pidgin i do my own!
[18:33] <antiwire> ...
[18:34] <inman> Pig_Pen: ur right, but try to learn german, after while you forget english!
[18:35] <inman> antiwire: i make package cuz i have 4 pc, 3 of them are with slackware 12.2 so i use the package on other one!
[18:36] <agentc0re> I think it's going to be hard for both parties.  you may not fully understand us just as we don't fully understand you.
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[18:37] <MLanden> i_is_cat: wish I was of more help...good luck
[18:38] <i_is_cat> ty it cant be totally dead if the system recognizes it this much.. theres got to be something i can do
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[18:39] <MLanden> true
[18:39] <Reticenti> i jsut mounted my new hdd to /home, how can I make sure it worked?
[18:39] <agentc0re> i_is_cat: take a hammer and hit it.  Then you wont have to worry about your pc detecting it anymore.
[18:39] <ananke> Reticenti: _what_ worked?
[18:39] <i_is_cat> nah i'm ok without doing that
[18:39] <Reticenti> ananke: how can i make sure /home is mounted on the correct disk?
[18:40] <ananke> Reticenti: you just mounted it. you tell us
[18:40] <agentc0re> lol
[18:40] <Reticenti> :\
[18:40] <agentc0re> Reticenti: type mount
[18:40] <Reticenti> oh
[18:40] <Reticenti> i see
[18:40] <Reticenti> thanks
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[18:40] <ananke> Reticenti: rule of thumb: if there are no errors, a given command succeeded
[18:41] <thumbs> I have no rules.
[18:41] <thumbs> oh wait, sorry.
[18:41] <ananke> you're plural :)
[18:41] <thumbs> I just realized, yes.
[18:42] <MLanden> know it can't be an issue with  uhci,ehci,ohci,i_is_cat
[18:42] <agentc0re> Reticenti: http://slackbook.org/html/book.html#FILESYSTEM-STRUCTURE-MOUNTING
[18:42] <Reticenti> now, to mount /home to my new hdd at boot, i edit the fstab file, right?
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[18:43] <i_is_cat> well this is weird.. i just copied a file to my other usb stick umounted it df -h to make sure its gone then unplug it pop it in my desktop and dmesg shows it being registered as /dev/sdd1 but it wont mount and i do ls /dev/sd<tab,tab> and theres no /dev/sdd at all...
[18:44] <ananke> Reticenti: yes
[18:44] <Pig_Pen> i_is_cat: restart udev and see if it picks it up
[18:45] <Reticenti> actually, my question is: will my new harddrive always have the same name? (/dev/hdb1)
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[18:45] <ananke> Reticenti: depends
[18:45] <Pig_Pen> and try just one d
[18:45] <Reticenti> what does it depend on, ananke ?
[18:46] <ananke> Reticenti: do you know what 'hdb1' stands for?
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[18:46] <Reticenti> hard drive bay 1?
[18:46] <Reticenti> idk
[18:46] <thrice`> close! (ok, not too close)
[18:46] <ananke> Reticenti: : hd stands for hard drive. b stands for second drive that was detected, 1 stands for first partition on it.
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[18:46] <Reticenti> ah
[18:47] <ananke> Reticenti: often enough second drive detected is your primary slave.
[18:47] <agentc0re> i_is_cat: when you plug it in you can do a 'ls -pf|grep hald' to see if hal picked it up too.
[18:47] <Pig_Pen> hda = primary master, hdb = primary slave, hdc = secondary master, hdd = secondary slave
[18:47] <Reticenti> so as long as i dont add any new hard drives in, i should be good?
[18:47] <ananke> Reticenti: so, now that you know that, you can see how that may change if you change your hardware around
[18:47] <thrice`> add, or remove :)
[18:47] <Reticenti> ok
[18:47] <Reticenti> thanks
[18:47] <ananke> Reticenti: if you want to make it independent of location, use the UUID of the filesystem
[18:48] <Reticenti> ok, i'll look that up later
[18:48] <i_is_cat> agentc0re, i get nothing when i run that cmd
[18:49] <i_is_cat> restarting udev seems to have worked for the other stick but the first one is still the same.. :S
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[18:49] <Reticenti> in my fstab, the last two numbers, for this new drive that i'm mounting to /home, should they be "1 1" ?
[18:49] <thrice`> which FS?
[18:49] <Reticenti> i know they have something to do with fsck, but i dont know what they should be set
[18:49] <Reticenti> ext4
[18:49] <thrice`> use 1  2
[18:50] <Reticenti> the / mount point is 1 1
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[18:50] <Reticenti> is /home different?
[18:50] <thrice`> mmhmm
[18:50] <thrice`> that will make it fsck after your /
[18:51] <thrice`> root should have "1", and the rest should be 2 (or 0, if fsck doesn't apply)
[18:51] <i_is_cat> agentc0re, doing a ps aux|grep hald shows hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sdc (every 2 sec) i dont know if thats good or bad..
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[18:53] <appzer0> normal, it's your SD drive of something
[18:53] <thrice`> probably your cdrom
[18:53] <appzer0> scanning it every 2 sec to see if sthg is in it :)
[18:53] <thrice`> I disable hal polling my cdrom drive, as it takes a bit of power / battery life
[18:53] <Pig_Pen> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090913.gif lol
[18:54] <appzer0> I have the same messages for my 5-in-1 flashcards drive
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[18:58] <reti> that was weird
[18:58] <i_is_cat> ok this is weird... dolphin is showing a reiserfs volume at /media/disk-2 but df -h doesnt show anything there and dolphin doesnt show anything inside it, its just there.. and it wasnt there before..
[18:58] <i_is_cat> oh it just suddenly popped up in df.. thats really weird..
[18:59] <i_is_cat> apparently its hda2..... i dont know why it just popped up out of nowhere....
[19:00] <MLanden> dbus ,udev , hal conflicting?
[19:00] <reti> i copied over all of /home to my new hdd, but in the process, i screwed up the entire permissions
[19:01] <reti> my regular user no longer is the owner of all the files
[19:01] <reti> how do i recursively change the owner?
[19:01] <Quiznos> chown -R user.usergroup /path/to user/dir
[19:01] <agentc0re> reti man chown
[19:01] <reti> thanks
[19:01] <i_is_cat> hda1 and hda2 are partitions on one of my drives that arent used at all for any reason, they're not in fstab or anything i've never mounted them once and never seem them at all until just now so i dunno wtf
[19:01] <Quiznos> yw
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[19:02] <Quiznos> how big are they
[19:02] <i_is_cat> Quiznos, is that question directed at me?
[19:03] <Quiznos> yes
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[19:03] <i_is_cat> hda1 is 10gb hda2 is 25gb
[19:03] <Quiznos> wow
[19:03] <Quiznos> you should use em
[19:03] <i_is_cat> nah
[19:03] <reti> also, now that i did that, do i want my /home/<user> to be owned by by <user> and root?
[19:03] <Quiznos> not root
[19:03] <Quiznos> root doesnt need it
[19:03] <reti> ok
[19:04] <Quiznos> ls -ld /home/user/ to check lead-in dir owner
[19:05] <reti> it's not listed as <user> and root
[19:05] <reti> whats the switch tor emove a user?
[19:05] <reti> remove*
[19:05] <Quiznos> chown  user.usergroup /path/to user/dir
[19:05] <Quiznos> why rm a user?
[19:05] <reti> not rm a user
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[19:05] <reti> but remove root from owning it
[19:06] <Quiznos> the cmd i showed  you
[19:06] <reti> and the command i did was "chown -R user /home/user"
[19:06] <Quiznos> that's for the dirs/files within
[19:06] <Quiznos> now you have to fix the ownership of the topdir
[19:06] <Quiznos> chown  user.usergroup /path/to user/dir
[19:06] <reti> ah
[19:06] <Quiznos> no -R
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[19:07] <reti> for usergroup, am i jsut doing "user" or do i need to add all of then? "devplug, netplug, etc?"
[19:07] <Quiznos> user is fine; is that a valid group on  your box?
[19:07] <reti> users*
[19:07] <Quiznos> ok
[19:08] <Quiznos> valid?
[19:08] <reti> yeah
[19:08] <Quiznos> ok
[19:08] <Quiznos> login as user and chk
[19:08] <reti> i did id <user> and that was the first one listed
[19:08] <Quiznos> on new tty
[19:08] <Quiznos> ok
[19:08] <Quiznos> good
[19:09] <Quiznos> anything else?
[19:10] <reti> wait, if i add users to the owners, doesnt that mean anyone in the users group will have access to /home/<user>?
[19:10] <Quiznos> yes, and perms --rwx--- group
[19:10] <reti> ok
[19:10] <Quiznos> want to change that?
[19:10] <reti> thats bad, isnt it?
[19:10] <Quiznos> deps on your sys; do you share?
[19:10] <Quiznos> with people
[19:10] <reti> not really lol
[19:11] <Quiznos> private at home?
[19:11] <reti> but theoratically
[19:11] <reti> yeah
[19:11] <Quiznos> yea which; private or theorietical :)
[19:11] <reti> it's private
[19:11] <Quiznos> ok;
[19:11] <Quiznos> well, if you must then add new group with name of user so that to chown
[19:11] <reti> ok, but i see what the permissions mean
[19:11] <finkn> hi, anyone know when the new slackbook is due?
[19:12] <Quiznos> ie chown b.b -R ~b
[19:12] <Quiznos> on my pvt sys, b is non-root me.
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[19:12] <Quiznos> that's my cmd above to fix ownership cuz i mv stuff around
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[19:15] <byteframe> None of my 3d wine apps run on new slackware.
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[19:17] <i_is_cat> hmm ok im starting to think there might be something wrong with my udev rules or something... not that i've changed them or anything but aside from this weird usb stick issue, seems when i reboot my system it swaps the tv tuners dev names around on min car1 is video0 next boot its video1 which screws up mythtv :S
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[19:18] <Reticenti> oops
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[19:19] <EvilMatt> hello
[19:19] <EvilMatt> does anyone know where i can get kde4 packages for slack 12.2?
[19:19] <thrice`> you can't
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[19:19] <EvilMatt> why not?
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[19:19] <thrice`> because noone made them?
[19:19] <murdoc-is-god> I am copying 3TB+ of data from one server to another over a gigabit crossover cable.  I want to use scp, or something that uses SSH.  I want it to show the speed of the transfer and ideally, an ETA as well.
[19:19] <EvilMatt> damn
[19:19] <EvilMatt> does kde4 compile well on slack 12.2?
[19:19] <Quiznos> murdoc-is-god on a private lan?
[19:19] <murdoc-is-god> Quiznos: yes
[19:19] <Quiznos> dont waste time encrypting then
[19:19] <thrice`> EvilMatt: not easily
[19:19] <Quiznos> ftp; http; rcp; rsync
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[19:20] <EvilMatt> blast, that sucks
[19:20] <thrice`> EvilMatt: you'll need another 20 or so deps, and to recompile system components for qt4
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[19:20] <EvilMatt> i cant run slack 13 cuz it wont run openoffice :/
[19:20] <EvilMatt> thrice` well thanks for the info
[19:20] <EvilMatt> :)
[19:20] <thrice`> says who?
[19:20] <i_is_cat> slack13 runs openoffice
[19:20] <thrice`> openoffice runs fine
[19:20] <i_is_cat> who the hell are you talkin to?
[19:20] <thrice`> lol
[19:21] <EvilMatt> i tried running it.. and it wouldnt run for me
[19:21] <fire|bird> It works fine here.
[19:21] <thrice`> out of the box here
[19:21] <Quiznos> hi bird
[19:21] <EvilMatt> weird
[19:21] <fire|bird> hi Quiz
[19:21] <fire|bird> :P
[19:21] <thrice`> no extra deps, or anything - just install + go :>
[19:21] <i_is_cat> not a single issue for me
[19:21] <EvilMatt> you get yours from the openoffice site or slackbuilds or something??
[19:21] <EvilMatt> cuz i ran the one from the offical site and nada
[19:22] <thrice`> not the official site!
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[19:22] <fire|bird> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/openoffice.org/ <---ta da
[19:22] <thrice`> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/i486/openoffice.org-3.1.1_en_US-i586-1_rlw.tgz  <-- ta da x 2
[19:22] <fire|bird> lol
[19:22] <EvilMatt> hmm alright
[19:22] <EvilMatt> ill check that out
[19:23] <mbohun> "i tried running it.. and it wouldnt run for me" - well perhaps the problem is not in slack13 :-)
[19:23] <EvilMatt> ill go download it and put it on my thumbdrive and reinstall slack 13
[19:23] <EvilMatt> mbohun well i tried to run the openoffice from the offical site.. that seems to have been my problem
[19:23] <mbohun> rebuild the house too
[19:23] <EvilMatt> welp, im gonna go prepair for the upgrade
[19:24] <EvilMatt> thanks for the info, guys
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[19:25] <MLanden> i_is_cat: What size are those usb sticks?
[19:25] <i_is_cat> 4gb
[19:25] <Reticenti> oh yeah, i asked you guys earlier about in my fstab, what the last two numbers in the line should be, and you told me 1 2, and i asked why, but i didnt get to read the answer
[19:27] <thrice`> the "2" will make it run fsck after your /
[19:27] <Reticenti> ok
[19:27] <thrice`> root should have "1", and the rest should be 2 (or 0, if fsck doesn't apply)
[19:28] <Reticenti> alright
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[19:31] <mbohun>  The sixth field, (fs_passno), is used by the fsck(8) program to determine the order in which filesystem checks
[19:31] <mbohun>        are done at reboot time.  The root filesystem should be specified with a fs_passno of 1, and other filesystems
[19:31] <mbohun>        should have a fs_passno of 2.
[19:32] <Reticenti> yeah, i saw that
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[19:35] <MLanden> ok,thanks i_is_cat.....you said the idproduct=1234 and USBtest had those as idProduct=6387
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[19:37] <i_is_cat> ?
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[19:38] <i_is_cat> im beginning to think i should've just stuck with slack 12.2
[19:38] <i_is_cat> never had any of these issues
[19:38] <i_is_cat> and dvds arent playing either.. xine just hangs and kill -9 doesnt even kill it
[19:38] <i_is_cat> and yes i have dvdcss dvdnav dvdplay and dvdread
[19:40] <LnxSlck_> i_is_cat, i run 13 with no problems
[19:41] <i_is_cat> i seem to be having nothing but problems
[19:41] <LnxSlck_> i_is_cat, like what?
[19:41] <i_is_cat> although my netbook seems fine.. as long as i dont use kde
[19:42] <LnxSlck_> i_is_cat, so the problem isn't slack but kde.. lol
[19:42] <Reticenti> i_is_cat: xfce is better anyways
[19:42] <hitest> i_is_cat: I'm mostly using xfce and flux
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[19:43] <i_is_cat> LnxSlck_, lots of little things all you've got to do is scroll up for a handful of them.. i dont mind tweaking here and there in fact i quite like it, but when you reboot your system and suddenly mythbackend wont start because it claims you have no tuners setup yet you go into mythtv-setup and :O! there are tuners! only they switched input numbers on you? like wtf is that? i mean sure i could go write custom udev rules to say c
[19:43] <i_is_cat> ard1 is video0 and card2 is video1 but i shouldnt have to, it should flip flop on each boot
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[19:44] <i_is_cat> thats the kind of stuff thats irritating me
[19:44] <i_is_cat> i'm using xfce on my netbook and i think it works great
[19:44] <Pig_Pen> i noticed a few quirks in 13, kde-4, if i am running irssi in screen when i do screen -d then when i am ready to do screen -r it just hangs
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[19:45] <i_is_cat> kde work*ed* but then i boot up one day and all of a sudden half the graphics dont display so i click on the k menu and pow i get four black triangles where the corners of the menu would be.. not very useful
[19:45] <Pig_Pen> and xorg wont run without dbus & hal, oh that not a bug, but an annoying feature
[19:45] <i_is_cat> sure i try alt+f2 (my fav way of bringing up progs in kde) nope doesnt work. get some black lines and cant see text or anything
[19:45] <Pig_Pen> oh well, there is always next year, 13.1
[19:45] <Reticenti> Pig_Pen: have you tried "screen -raAd ####"
[19:45] <CcSsNET> xorg definatly doesnt need dbus or hal :P
[19:46] <i_is_cat> thought maybe it was my video drivers, but i go into xfce all of a sudden i've got transparency, my glxgears fps shot up, i can play games like neverball and etracer np which i couldnt do in kde..
[19:46] <Pig_Pen> the heck it doesnt? remove those two packages, kill them from memory and then do startx from a console
[19:47] <CcSsNET> pig_pen i dont use slackware
[19:47] <Pig_Pen> i wonder how many packages in /x would need to be rebuilt so it does not depend on dbus & hal
[19:47] <CcSsNET> i built from source. and i assure you they are not needed
[19:47] <Pig_Pen> i know xorg *can* be built to not need them, but the xorg build in slack13 does
[19:48] <CcSsNET> also i dont use any package that uses them
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[19:48] <MLanden> sorry,didn't mean to upset you,i_is_cat....just was goin' through their(USBspeed's site) lookin' up few of my sticks and noticed the difference on the idProduct's with your sticks
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[19:49] <i_is_cat> MLanden, its not you who's upset me lol its all these irritating issues that are getting to me.. i thought upgrading would've been an easy transition not this huge nightmare of bs i seem to be experiencing
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[19:49] <i_is_cat> even killed X and xine is still sitting there in a ps aux|grep xine
[19:49] <i_is_cat> xine defunct and xine, and neither one will die
[19:50] <CcSsNET> kill -9
[19:50] <i_is_cat> doesnt work
[19:50] <i_is_cat> even as root
[19:50] <CcSsNET> then ur not killing the parent process
[19:50] <CcSsNET> and probably killing threads
[19:51] <CcSsNET> try htop
[19:51] <thrice`> or "killall -9"
[19:51] <i_is_cat> i dont have an htop
[19:51] <MLanden> i_is_cat: ok...sorry to hear of the issues
[19:51] <i_is_cat> killall -9 doesnt work
[19:52] <i_is_cat> and i dont see a parent process
[19:52] <i_is_cat> for either
[19:52] <CcSsNET> you would if u used htop
[19:52] <i_is_cat> ps auxfw should show that sort of thing
[19:52] <CcSsNET> u would see a process hiearchy
[19:52] <i_is_cat> they're just chillin there by themselves
[19:52] <Quiznos> -9g
[19:53] <i_is_cat> -9g with a killall?
[19:53] <Quiznos> yes
[19:53] <i_is_cat> doesnt work
[19:53] <CcSsNET> show us your killall command u typed
[19:53] <CcSsNET> i have a feeling u use it wrong
[19:53] <adamk> zombie processes are not unheard of.
[19:53] <i_is_cat> well i shouldnt say it doesnt work, but it doesnt do anything
[19:53] <Quiznos> me?
[19:54] <Quiznos> killall -9g opera; opera&
[19:54] <CcSsNET> quiznos why would i ask u
[19:54] <CcSsNET> lmao
[19:54] <i_is_cat> CcSsNET, its a killall command its not rocket science here...
[19:54] <fire|bird> Quiznos: He meant i_is_cat :P
[19:54] <fire|bird> i_is_cat: Are you using kill -9 program_name or kill -9 process id?
[19:54] <CcSsNET> precisly ^
[19:55] <i_is_cat> i mean if this were one of those udevadm commands, ya i could see a syntax error but c'm,on killall? fire|bird i just the progname and when it didnt work i tried the pid just to be on the safe side
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[19:55] <lancel00t> Hi
[19:55] <fire|bird> hi
[19:55] <Quiznos> i just wanna be part of the party
[19:55] <Quiznos> is that too much to ask?
[19:55] <Quiznos> lol
[19:55] <fire|bird> there's a party?
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[19:55] <fire|bird> :P
[19:55] <Quiznos> well no but still
[19:55] <fire|bird> lol
[19:55] <Quiznos> :)
[19:56] <Quiznos> i think a coon is ransacking my garbage pail
[19:56] <lancel00t> Does the 64 bit port of slackware official include a 32 bit compatability layer like slamd64?
[19:56] <CcSsNET> get the shotty
[19:56] <fire|bird> haha, scare him away. :P
[19:56] <Quiznos> no shoty
[19:56] <CcSsNET> wait. what state are u in?
[19:56] <Quiznos> fla.
[19:56] <CcSsNET> lol
[19:56] <CcSsNET> nvm
[19:56] <adamk> lancel00t, No, but it can be installed easily enough.
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[19:56] <Quiznos> the coon lives across the street
[19:56] <fire|bird> lancel00t: No, but it is multilib capable. alienBOB has a multilib howto and packages.
[19:57] <lancel00t> adamk: can you tell me more about installing a compatability layer?
[19:57] <adamk> lancel00t, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib
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[19:57] <MLanden> Quiznos: like the Great Outdoors with John candy and dan ackroyd?.....bow bow bow boon
[19:57] <lancel00t> Thanks
[19:57] <CcSsNET> then stop puting food in the garbage and throw it across the street :P
[19:57] Action: CcSsNET wonders if theres a neighbors house or woods o.o
[19:58] <Quiznos> lol
[19:58] <fire|bird> CcSsNET: Quiznos lives out with the crocodiles, they raised him. :P
[19:58] <CcSsNET> hmmmm
[19:58] <Quiznos> MLanden more like my cousin Vinny in alamaba; i'm from nyc too
[19:58] <fire|bird> and, apparently, they knew english and taught him. :P
[19:58] <Quiznos> CcSsNET i've done that
[19:58] <MLanden> youts?!?
[19:58] <Quiznos> yeps
[19:59] <MLanden> lol
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[19:59] <Quiznos> also that's brooklynese
[19:59] <Quiznos> i'm from north of the Bronx
[19:59] <CcSsNET> < boston
[19:59] <Quiznos> bahstahn isnt the only town with its own dialect
[19:59] <CcSsNET> north east of
[19:59] <CcSsNET> or emmm west
[19:59] <i_is_cat> shouldnt xine be tied to my user? so if my user is not logged in, xine should just die shouldnt it?
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[19:59] <CcSsNET> :P
[20:00] <CcSsNET> i_is_cat ive seen ghost processes before there a pain
[20:00] <fire|bird> i_is_cat: not necessarily, sometimes you can have runaway processes that require a restart of the pc to get rid of them.
[20:00] <adamk_> Particularly if they interface with buggy drivers.
[20:00] <i_is_cat> seems like thats whats going on here..
[20:00] <CcSsNET> besides why xine? why not vlc?
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[20:01] <Quiznos> omg found somethin to watch on tv; a Matrix
[20:01] <i_is_cat> because xine was installed and i've not had issues with it before i recompiled the frontend for lirc support
[20:01] <Quiznos> for the unteenth time
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[20:01] <fire|bird> i_is_cat: what about mplayer?
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[20:02] <i_is_cat> i have mplayer also, havent tried it yet.. because xine doesnt seem to want to die
[20:02] <CcSsNET> get the shotty
[20:02] <CcSsNET> no wait
[20:02] <CcSsNET> nvm
[20:02] <Quiznos> _Matrix Reloaded_
[20:03] <i_is_cat> errr that line should read that i've not not had issues with xine before. & i've recompiled the frontend for lirc.
[20:03] <CcSsNET> mmm
[20:03] <i_is_cat> because it wasnt playing dvds before i recompiled the frontend either
[20:04] <i_is_cat> well i rebooted i'll try mplayer this time and see if it works..
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[20:04] <i_is_cat> if mplayer hangs too theres got to be something else going on..
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[20:06] <i_is_cat> hmmm mplayer is just sitting here on: libdvdread: using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for dvd access and isnt doing anything else
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[20:08] <i_is_cat> and it too seems to have become a zombie and wont get killed off
[20:09] <CcSsNET> sounds like u need to simply find a hammer
[20:09] <CcSsNET> and unplug pc before proceeding
[20:09] <i_is_cat> hmmmmmmm maybe i should put slack 12.2 back on here... i'd have to burn another disc.. but at least i'd have working dvd's and tuners that dont change themselves when they want and random hdd partitions mounting themselves whenever they feel like it etc.
[20:10] <i_is_cat> plus both mplayer & xine worked perfectly for me in 12.2
[20:10] <thrice`> my DVD's work flawlessly on 13.0 :(
[20:11] <i_is_cat> and the handful of times xine did lockup the worst case was it being in fullscreen so i had to ctrl+alt+f2 and kill it from that terminal but that was rare
[20:11] <i_is_cat> and usually caused by me trying to do something with xine when it probably should've been not fullscreen and paused too
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[20:15] <i_is_cat> bleh i dont feel like burning another dvd.. last iso i tried to burn with slack13 failed right at the end even tho i installed the kdecompat stuff like it says you're supposed to
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[20:16] <steiger> i_is_cat: why don't you use pendrives to burn your stuff
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[20:17] <acidtripper> HI!
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[20:18] <Reticenti> how do i change the icons of things? i already have the icons, i jsut want to change the icon for all directories, etc
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[20:20] <MLanden> Reticenti: xfce or kde4?
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[20:21] <Reticenti> xfce
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[20:23] <i_is_cat> steiger, i was doing that, one of them just up and died on me a few hours ago
[20:24] <i_is_cat> actually, it was the slackware 13 disc on usb stick that died of all things
[20:24] <Reticenti> MLanden: xfce
[20:24] <MLanden> setting>appearance>icons for the desktop;
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[20:25] <Reticenti> MLanden: i chagned the theme, bu it doesnt set all the icons correctly, how can i change them manually?
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[20:25] <MLanden> reticenti: Is there a tab for icons at the top?
[20:26] <Reticenti> yeah
[20:26] <Reticenti> but that only does the entire theme, MLanden
[20:27] <agentc0re> Reticenti: http://tinyurl.com/nszltx
[20:27] <Reticenti> lol
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[20:29] <chasmo77> Hello fellow Slackers. How can I launch /usr/X11/bin/xterm from the Slack13/KDE4.2 kicker panel? I even tried rtfm but no joy.
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[20:34] <MLanden> Reticenti: what do you want the icons to look like? different directory icons for each?
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[20:44] <powtrix> n
[20:46] <MLanden> powtrix: no?
[20:46] <powtrix> may
[20:52] <MLanden> the letter is 'noh',right or is it 'may',powtrix?
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[20:52] <powtrix> @
[20:52] <powtrix> an 'at' :p
[20:53] <MLanden> ok
[20:53] <powtrix> got a friends mail with that
[20:53] <powtrix> something .jp
[20:55] <MLanden> cool....real lt...:D
[20:55] <powtrix> w00t
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[20:59] <chasmo77> How can I launch /usr/X11/bin/xterm from Slack13/KDE4.2 panel?
[21:00] <MLanden> ever try to learn hiragana,katakana or kanji,powtrix?
[21:01] <powtrix> hm I know portuguese and english a bit :Đ
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[21:01] <mfillpot> chasmo77: type xterm in a terminal or setup a .desktop file to run xterm
[21:02] <MLanden> cool,powtrix
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[21:02] <Quiznos> MLanden the bass theme to BarneyMiller (WGN now)
[21:02] <MLanden> Fish is still alive!!
[21:03] <Quiznos> omg i know; conan calls him; such a long life!!!
[21:03] <Quiznos> he was old when he was in the squad room
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[21:04] <MLanden> Al Vigoda is a god
[21:04] <LnxSlck_> so i installed libgnomecanvas, how do i load the module? modprobe gnomecanvas doesn't work
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[21:04] <donoban> hi
[21:04] <Zamboli> hi
[21:05] <Zamboli> how are you?
[21:05] <donoban> I upgraded to slackware 13 and have some problems with gtk apps
[21:05] <donoban> i'm fine Zamboli :)
[21:05] <Quiznos> LnxSlck_ it's not a kmod
[21:05] <edman007> LnxSlck_, whatever uses it will either load it when it needs it or it needs to be recompiled (and i think anything using that particular lib will really need to be recompiled)
[21:05] <Quiznos> MLanden Abe
[21:05] <MLanden> donoban: are you running kde4?
[21:06] <donoban> no, i'm running fluxbox
[21:06] <LnxSlck_> k
[21:06] <donoban> I get this error when starting pidgin
[21:06] <MLanden> donoban: what problems are you experiencing?
[21:06] <Zamboli> mplayer in firefox seems to have stopped working for streaming videos
[21:06] <LnxSlck_> edman007, i'm trying to use desktoptracks and i keep getting File "/usr/local/bin/desktoptracks", line 32, in <module> import gnomecanvas
[21:06] <Zamboli> the player loads, but they will not play
[21:07] <donoban> pidgin dont show letters
[21:07] <donoban> i shows [] instead letters
[21:07] <donoban> it
[21:07] <edman007> LnxSlck_, sounds like a python gnomecanvas binding that its looking for, is that a python app?
[21:07] <LnxSlck_> edman007, gtk
[21:07] <LnxSlck_> edman007, yes
[21:07] <donoban> (pidgin:3726): Pango-WARNING **: failed to find shape engine, expect ugly output. engine-type='PangoRenderFc', script='latin'
[21:07] <LnxSlck_> edman007, python
[21:08] <edman007> yea, then it means the python module
[21:08] <donoban> and also it says: You should create this file by running: pango-querymodules > '/etc/pango/pango.modules'
[21:08] <LnxSlck_> edman007, so how can i fix this?
[21:08] <donoban> but I did it and doesnt fix anything
[21:08] <MLanden> donoban: are you running 32bit or 64bit?
[21:08] <donoban> 32bits
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[21:09] <donoban> I did full install so I don't think that need some package more
[21:10] <dimm0k> having some difficulties getting the latest version of filezilla compiled...  configure won't use my libgnutls...  anyone succeed?
[21:10] <MLanden> donoban: which language are you set for?
[21:10] <donoban> es_ES@EURO
[21:10] <edman007> LnxSlck_, http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnome-python/
[21:10] <donoban> are u saying lang variable?
[21:10] <edman007> that is what it is looking for
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[21:12] <donoban> with en_US I get same result
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[21:16] <LnxSlck_> edman007, what a nightmare installing gnome libs...
[21:16] <edman007> LnxSlck_, slackware is not a gnome based distro, so you will get that if you need gnome...but i went through a lot of that...
[21:16] <LnxSlck_> edman007, i have to install like 30 packages...
[21:16] <LnxSlck_> edman007, nevermind that
[21:17] <edman007> lol
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[21:17] <Guest88318> 85.14.80.241 no pass no login can u digg it?
[21:18] <MLanden> donoban: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=51316 might help
[21:18] <donoban> ok, i'm going to see
[21:18] <MLanden> good luck
[21:19] <edman007> i've installed a full GNOME install from source on slackware...that is bad, even when i got scripts to download all the sources it took me 2 days to go through the scripts and fix everything slackware specific and the urls that changed over the week or so since getting the scripts
[21:19] <edman007> hrmmmm...freenode is being exceptionally laggy today :(
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[21:20] <MLanden> y0 edman007 .. it's happened to the best of us off and on for the weekend
[21:20] <LnxSlck_> edman007, geez
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[21:21] <edman007> LnxSlck_, the worst one is scrollkeeper, make install has been broken on slackware for a long time with that app...
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[21:21] <LnxSlck_> edman007, i'm not going to get into that... lol
[21:22] <edman007> MLanden, y0
[21:23] <edman007> i got internet yesterday \o/
[21:23] <edman007> now i got to get paid...
[21:23] <MLanden> hear ya,edman007
[21:23] <chasmo77> mfillpot, thanks
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[21:23] <thrice`> internet = money?
[21:23] <edman007> thrice`, well it sucks money
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[21:36] <flame_me> for those who have used wvdial, if Auto DNS is set to off in wvdial.conf, where will the DNS servers come from? /etc/resolv.conf?
[21:37] <mancha> they always come from /etc/resolv.conf
[21:37] <nachox> i'm sure wvdial will add them to you resolv.conf file
[21:37] <flame_me> not in my case
[21:37] <mfillpot> flame_me: so, I see your ISP DNS problems are as abundant as reported
[21:38] <flame_me> lol
[21:38] <mancha> auto dns is a flag for wvdial that tells it to get the dns from the provider and then add to resolv.conf
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[21:38] <flame_me> ok, I will disable it and put my own
[21:38] <flame_me> thank you :)
[21:38] <mancha> your dns comes from /etc/resolv.conf always, whether you use wvdial, or xyzdial, or twinketoesdial
[21:38] <flame_me> and mfillpot for his big help yesterday
[21:39] <mancha> yes, you can disable that and manually add the servers you want to use to your resolv.conf file
[21:39] <flame_me> thank you mancha
[21:39] <mancha> np
[21:40] Action: hitest does his happy dance.....3/4 boxes now upgraded to 13.0:)  I'll do the last one next weekend.
[21:40] <flame_me> brb, will test
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[21:40] <mancha> hitest, so overall version 9.75
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[21:41] <hitest> 9.75?
[21:41] <mancha> (3/4)*13=9.75\
[21:42] <blackorca> 12.2 stable is still updated with security fixes for a while, right?
[21:42] <hitest> ah:) good one:)
[21:42] <antiwire> blackorca: Yes, and earlier versions usually are too.
[21:42] <MLanden> slackware 9 ... 'bout september of that year...:D
[21:43] <antiwire> blackorca: there is no set support time frame though
[21:43] <hitest> blackorca: it will be for years
[21:43] <hitest> I'm predicting
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[21:44] <MLanden> ((((8)))) what does the eight ball say,hitest?
[21:44] <blackorca> antiwire, hitest, thanks, my router for the house still runs 12.2 and I'm not quite sure if I want to start breaking things yet ;)
[21:44] <flame_me> even with Auto DNS turned to off, wvdial keeps feeding the wrong DNS servers
[21:44] <antiwire> The Purple 8 Ball says:  It's possible
[21:44] <hitest> MLanden: the eight ball says 13.0 FTW
[21:44] <mancha> flame, is it wvdial or is it the ppp implementation?
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[21:44] <antiwire> blackorca: if it's just a router the only immediate advantage I can think of is the newer kernel and some of the newer wifi and networking stuff in 13
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[21:45] <flame_me> good question
[21:45] <MLanden> (\m/)     ((((:D))))))   (\m/|
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[21:46] Action: hitest will beback soon. dinner time;)
[21:46] <hitest> be back
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[21:46] <blackorca> antiwire, yeah, I probably won't upgrade it for a while, but when I get it on the rest of my 32-bit computers, then I'll definitely want to upgrade since I sync all the security updates (would rather not download 12.2 updates... 13.0 32-bit updates... 64-bit updates, etc)
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[21:47] <donoban> hi again
[21:47] <blackorca> s/get it/get 13.0/
[21:47] <MLanden> did it work,donoban?
[21:47] <flame_me> does pppd have a config file (pppd.conf)? a search yielded nothing
[21:47] <mancha> flame yes it does...but wvdial usually passes the config to pppd
[21:48] <mancha> flame, this is vanilla ppp (ie an old style modem over wtisted copper)?
[21:48] <donoban> no MLanden i think the problem maybe that I don't overwrite .new configuration files
[21:49] <flame_me> no, it's an USB modem from Rogers (MF636)
[21:49] Nick change: ClaudioM -> clAvatar
[21:49] <mancha> ok, there is an /etc/ppp/options file iirc
[21:49] <donoban> i'm going to reboot again ^_^
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[21:50] <mancha> flame my new theory is that it is dhcpcd that is setting it
[21:51] <mancha> oh wait, you said you use pppoe, never mind. check the options file
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[21:51] Nick change: ED_reborn -> Kamel
[21:52] <Dominian> You run the pppoe setup right?
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[21:52] <usr13> Could someone tell me if there would be a difference between the /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 file of a Slackware 12.1 and a 13.0 system   or.. between a 12.2 and a 13.0 system?
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[21:52] <node357> Slackware 13, X freezes the system when I start it using supplied xorg.conf. Same default config worked fine on Slackware 10 all the way to 12.2
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[21:53] <donoban> great, now it works fine
[21:53] <donoban> i suppose that rc.font.new makes all work >D
[21:53] <donoban> :D
[21:53] <MLanden> node357: what is your video chip/card?
[21:53] <usr13> (I'm trying to update a PXE server for 13.0 installs.)
[21:54] <MLanden> great,donoban..congrats
[21:54] <node357> MLanden, it's nvidia geforce 9800 GT
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[21:54] <MLanden> node357: 32bit?
[21:54] <node357> Yep MLanden
[21:55] <donoban> im going to sleep
[21:55] <node357> Prior versions of Slackware worked fine. Also, I tried Arch and had the same problem. System froze when I started X. it's like new X doesn't like my hardware.
[21:55] <thrice`> cheers donoban :)
[21:55] <donoban> see you people
[21:55] <MLanden> take care,donoban
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[21:55] <mancha> or vice versa
[21:56] <Quiznos> almost time for 3rd shift; coffee ready yet?
[21:56] <usr13> Quiznos: Yep, it's in the kitchen.
[21:56] <node357> ll
[21:56] <node357> lol
[21:56] <Quiznos> mine's ready
[21:56] <flame_me> Dominian: if you are referring to /usr/sbin/pppoe-setup, I did not..
[21:56] <Quiznos> using this morning's
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[21:56] <Dominian> flame_me: I recommend running that.
[21:56] <Dominian> flame_me: it will configure all of that for you
[21:56] <MLanden> Quiznos: thick as molassas yet ?
[21:57] <macavity> coffee syrup?
[21:57] <Quiznos> nop
[21:57] <Quiznos> still liq
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[21:57] <MLanden> smooth
[21:58] <MLanden> node357: what errors does the logs show?
[21:58] <node357> MLanden, there are no errors in the log files.
[21:58] <usr13> Would any one be willing to run a diff on a 13.0 system's /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 and one from a 12.1 system?
[21:59] <thrice`> why don't you grab the syslinux package from 12.1 and 13.0, and do it yourself?
[21:59] <mancha> usr13 which OS do you have?
[21:59] <usr13> 12.1
[21:59] <usr13> and 12.2 (on laptop)
[21:59] <mancha> so md5sum that file on 12.1 and 12.2 then get a kind soul to do the same for 13.0
[22:00] <thrice`> you can grab the packages :\
[22:00] <node357> I can't find anything on the web about X freezing the system on Slack 13.
[22:00] <thrice`> node357: a better place, than the internet, would be /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:00] <usr13> thrice`: Oh yea,  well which package would it be in?
[22:00] <thrice`>  syslinux
[22:00] <mancha> all someone using 13 has to type is "md5sum /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0" and post the 32 chars
[22:01] <node357> Stupid me for booting an old live cd.. I should be on the slackware system. brb
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[22:01] <thrice`> I only am 64-bit
[22:01] <thrice`> 0abc22f4843d722877e12314ef72cf7b  /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0
[22:01] <mancha> what you have to do to follow thrice is dl the txz from 13, dl new pkgtools for 12.1/12.2 re-compile a new tar to handle xz, uncomress it, and then md5sum, ten rm it
[22:01] <thrice`> guess it shouldn't matter
[22:02] <mancha> skip the pkgtools i guess, all you really need is the xz toolkit to extract the file, d'oh
[22:02] <usr13> Found it:  syslinux-3.52-i486-1.txz
[22:02] <mancha> thrice, it'll, matter, the 32 bit and 64 bit version will not be binary-equivalent
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[22:03] <thrice`> /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0: pxelinux Loader
[22:03] <thrice`> really?  /me grabs 32-bit
[22:03] <mancha> thrice, quite sure, but i'm wrong many times per day
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[22:03] <usr13> b9ef219c28927e2ad2565836622d1a13  /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0
[22:03] <usr13> 12.1
[22:04] <thrice`> b9ef219c28927e2ad2565836622d1a13  crap/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0
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[22:04] <thrice`> 13.0, 32-bit
[22:04] <usr13> thrice`: Very good.  Thanks
[22:04] <node357> "Failed to load module "fbdev" module does not exist"
[22:04] <mancha> thrice++
[22:04] <thrice`> node357: keep going, that's just a warning
[22:05] <thrice`> mancha: you were right indeed :>
[22:05] <mancha> got lucky  :>
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[22:07] <thrice`> node357: if possible, just pastebin the entire log to pastebin.slackadelic.com
[22:08] Nick change: clAvatar -> ClaudioM
[22:08] <node357> thrice`: It works now. I don't know what i was doing wrong... there's not much to paste besides that fbdev warning.
[22:08] <thrice`> ok :)
[22:08] <node357> So if it's cool, I'll say thanks and continue setting up my system. :)
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[22:09] <node357> thanks thrice, MLanden ... see you soon.
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[22:10] <daedalus-sax> say got a strange problem with flashplayer 10. i rmeoved the old .so files, and copied over the new .so file, and rebooted, and firefox still says i have fp 9...??
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[22:11] <daedalus-sax> hulu and youtube also say i have 9
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[22:12] <LnxSlck_> daedalus-sax, why not install flash 10 or upgrade the package
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[22:13] <daedalus-sax> i am using wolvix, number one, i did "install" flahs player 10. and wolvix currently is not offering me a 10 package, or i would have done that first
[22:13] <mancha> in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins right?
[22:13] <daedalus-sax> any ideas?
[22:13] <thrice`> no, we don't use wolvix
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[22:13] <LnxSlck_> what is wolvix ?
[22:13] <daedalus-sax> hmm, no, in usr/lib/firefox (version number here)
[22:13] <thrice`> here:  http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/
[22:14] <thrice`> that is out SLACKWARE advise.  if it doesn't apply, tough shit
[22:14] <thrice`> our*
[22:14] <mancha> well i recommend you put your so's in the dir i gave
[22:15] <daedalus-sax> i went to the wolvix chat room and there isnt anyone there, and wolvix is based on slackware. hmm, ill put one in the directory you mentioned, thanx, brb
[22:15] <LnxSlck_> daedalus-sax, what's so great about wolvix?
[22:16] <Dominian> wtf
[22:16] <Dominian> daedalus-sax: Just because wolvix is based on Slackware doesn't mean its going to work anything like Slackware
[22:16] <Dominian> Slax is based on Slackware.. it works nothing like Slackware..
[22:17] <daedalus-sax> actually i can't answer that question yet. I was attracted to it becuase ti was supposed to be small like dsl, but not crippled, also like dsl is. the ability to install anything "ubuntu" can install and still be small was attractive to me
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[22:17] <Dominian> Thats wonderful
[22:18] <daedalus-sax> good to know for the future
[22:18] <mancha> wolvix is like slackware with ubuntu's package manager?
[22:18] <MLanden> throw lzma into a live session...alter the /tmp files....cause the rc.d files to jump through flames...not quite the same
[22:18] <mancha> what part makes it slackware based?
[22:18] <daedalus-sax> ehh, kinda. except instead of apt-get, it's slapt-get, and instead of synaptic, it's gslapt.
[22:18] <Dominian> oh dear god
[22:18] <daedalus-sax> lol
[22:19] <Dominian> Yeah there's a combination of package management utilites I would never trust on my systems.
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[22:19] <NaCl> Dominian slapped me for mentioning those here a while back. :P
[22:19] <MLanden> piggybacks on the 12.2 slackware repository as well as zenwalk's as well as god knows what else
[22:19] <mancha> daed, your personal choice on distrib, i can't provide adivce, but o'er here its the dir i gave
[22:19] <Dominian> NaCl: which reminds me
[22:19] Action: Dominian slaps daedalus-sax
[22:19] <NaCl> heh
[22:20] <Dominian> I hate to say it, if I wanted sometning that acted like Debian.. I'd run debian.
[22:20] <hexorcist> Dominian: why hate to say it? be proud in your choice of being a slacker !
[22:20] <daedalus-sax> well, if you can point me towards another distro, i'll consider it. what i want is a distro that starts with a nice gui (xfce, gnome) and network tools, but not all the other stuff bloated on like ubuntu. small and zippy is what i want. dsl does that, but i hope you like the software it came with, cause you arent gonna be using too many things besides that...
[22:20] <Dominian> heh
[22:21] <MLanden> lol,Dominian....and something that runs like Windows w/o the patches guess would be like Ubuntu
[22:21] <Dominian> daedalus-sax: Personally, I like openSUSE if I have to use something other than Slackware
[22:21] <Dominian> MLanden: hehe
[22:21] <BP{k}> daedalus-sax: you know .. that sounds like slackware ;)
[22:21] <Dominian> BP{k}++
[22:21] <daedalus-sax> opensuse hates my machine, i already have downloaded and burnt it. opensuse works good on vbox though
[22:21] <LnxSlck_> daedalus-sax, you can install the minimal of slackware
[22:21] <mancha> daed, there are a bunch of distribs that fit your description. slack can be made into it (excluding gnome which is a bit more involved to install)
[22:22] <thrice`> slackware isn't a start small and build-up distro, IMO
[22:22] <Dominian> daedalus-sax: there are Slackware Gnome projects out there though if that's what you want to use
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[22:22] <Dominian> daedalus-sax: but it sounds like you want something with a built-in package manager and repositories full of software..  openSUSE and Fedora do offer that type of setup.
[22:23] <daedalus-sax> i am looking for something at best moderately difficult. i cant wrap my head around the whole debian distro system of there's. no matter how many times i download and burn in the main gui part, i get no gui
[22:23] <Quiznos> how does one determine the version of a opt/kde tree; no var/log/package available
[22:23] <Dominian> Quiznos: if its /opt/kde its KDE 3.X more than likely.. if on Slackware that is..
[22:23] <Quiznos> k
[22:23] <BP{k}> Quiznos: kde-config --version or kde4-config --version
[22:23] <Quiznos> kk
[22:23] <thrice`> Quiznos: grep opt/kde /var/log/packages/*  ?
[22:23] <blackorca> why didn't 13.0 go with /opt for KDE?
[22:24] <Quiznos> no package info available
[22:24] <hitest> daedalas-sax: if I had to choose something other than Slack I'd choose Debian or FreeBSD. However, Slackware is it for me.
[22:24] <thrice`> slackware hasn't put KDE in /opt for awhile
[22:24] <Dominian> blackorca: Why would it/
[22:24] <Quiznos> old install
[22:24] <daedalus-sax> to be honest, if i could get dsl on my machine, using xfce and able to use the debian packages instead of the dsl ones that are severely lacking, dsl would be my os
[22:24] <thrice`> Dominian: it used to :)
[22:24] <blackorca> Dominian, why did <13.0?
[22:24] <Dominian> thrice`: Yeah.. I know it used to
[22:24] <BP{k}> blackorca: uhm .. KDE hasn't been in opt in some time.
[22:24] <Quiznos> 3.1.4
[22:24] <MLanden> the BSD's go great with Gnome
[22:24] <Dominian> But KDE hasn't been in /opt in a t least what.. 2 versions?
[22:24] <blackorca> BP{k}, why was it originally there?
[22:25] <daedalus-sax> and i dont know about you guys, but ever since kde 4, gnome and xfce are now my must haves for a gui
[22:25] <Dominian> KDE4 isn't bad
[22:25] <thrice`> because Pat used to provide gnome too.  I think it helped separate things a bit
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[22:25] <reallove> heh, xfce was my fav for a long time ago.
[22:25] <Dominian> 4.2.3 is quite stable.. 4.3 is quite nice though from what I'm told
[22:25] <blackorca> This is the first time I've ever installed the KDE packages. I just saw something in some old docs about /opt/kde, and I was just curious
[22:25] <BP{k}> Dominian: I think it was moved from opt -> usr in the 12.0 development cycle.
[22:26] <Dominian> yah
[22:26] <Dominian> that's what I think too
[22:26] <flame_me> would you recommend KDE for an Acer Aspire One user?
[22:26] <Dominian> flame_me: maybe with all the desktop effects shut of
[22:26] <Dominian> f
[22:26] <MLanden> flame_me: how much mem?
[22:26] <daedalus-sax> i pretty much despise kde. i want simple graphics, ease of use. not pretty. if i wanted pretty i would install opensuse of kubuntu.
[22:26] <thrice`> i wouldn't recommend kde to a 8X core system :>
[22:26] <blackorca> I've had KDE4 crash (or at least some application crash) at least 7-8 times using it about a total of 20-30 minutes
[22:26] <flame_me> 1GB, MLanden
[22:26] <daedalus-sax> besides xfce is rockin'
[22:26] <danc3> xfce rocks
[22:27] <blackorca> mostly from messing around with the settings
[22:27] <reallove> daedalus-sax: word up
[22:27] <Dominian> daedalus-sax: xfce is just a Gnome wannabe ;)
[22:27] <flame_me> but isn't KDE4 supposed to consume less mem than its predecessor? at least that was the point, unless I'm wrong
[22:27] <diabolix> i would suggest fluxbox to just about anyone willing to use it.
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[22:27] <danc3> flux just looks too fugly
[22:27] <danc3> looks like 10 year old technology
[22:27] <Dominian> diabolix: I ran fluxbox for aw hile on an old laptop... took me a few weeks to get the desktop tweaked the way I wanted.. I may go back to using it again at some point
[22:27] <daedalus-sax> back to my problem, anyone else have a problem with firefox still reporting that your version of flashplayer is 9 instead of 10, even thogh 9 doesnt exist anywhere on your system?
[22:27] <NaCl> Any you folks know any ways to coax CUPS to print stuff in landscape?  The only thing that seems to work is hp-print. :/
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[22:27] <mancha> screen + function keys is the best desktop manager
[22:27] <diabolix> what? flux can be beautiful.
[22:28] <BP{k}> blackorca: the reason for the changes was this: "KDE is now built with --prefix=/usr instead of /opt/kde, so it's now much easier to follow the freedesktop.org standards for unifying all of the   various Linux desktop environments"
[22:28] <danc3> maybe it can, never tried hard enough to config fluxbox
[22:28] <Quiznos> saving Gnome from some unk slack version
[22:28] <mancha> -o landscape?
[22:28] <hitest> danc3: yeah, but, flux runs really well on older stuff, like this Plll 667 unit:)
[22:28] <danc3> <nod>
[22:28] <blackorca> BP{k}, ah, you didn't have to copy verbatim :) but thanks :)
[22:29] <Quiznos> BP{k} since when?
[22:29] <BP{k}> Dominian: I think it was moved from opt -> usr in the 12.0 development cycle.
[22:29] <BP{k}> Quiznos: ^^
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[22:29] <Dominian> BP{k}: I tell you I ended up with a P4 dual core processor machine for free.. and didn't even know it was a dual core until I got Slackware on it?
[22:29] <NaCl> mancha: trying to avoid using the terminal
[22:29] <BP{k}> Dominian: no? nice :)
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[22:29] <Dominian> yah
[22:29] <mancha> state all your specifications first then
[22:29] <MLanden> flux can be tailored right fine on older systems...as well as mips/arms archs...:D
[22:29] <Dominian> BP{k}: its my bacula server
[22:29] <danc3> hitest: agreed on the old hardware, but I find it hard to find any good reason to run fluxbox on a modern cual core machine... just doesn't make much sense to me.
[22:29] <diabolix> I've never liked the way linux distros throw everything in /usr.
[22:29] <hitest> yeah
[22:29] <Dominian> BP{k}: I actually have the bacula client running on/backing up the mail server remotely
[22:30] <Quiznos> BP{k} ty
[22:30] <Dominian> BP{k}: debating using it on slackadelic.com, just not sure of the security implementations of it
[22:30] <hitest> I'm running xfce 4.6.1 on my dual core unit
[22:30] <danc3> me too
[22:30] <Dominian> Well, before I can get my amd dual core backup.. gotta get a new board
[22:30] <daedalus-sax> i hate to admit it but it looks like im gonna be going ubuntu 9.04. uggh. LOL. anyone else hate bloatware... wonder if xubuntu is better
[22:30] <danc3> I've been running xfce since Gnome got dropped from Slack.
[22:30] <Dominian> daedalus-sax: openSUSE :P
[22:31] <danc3> daedalus-sax: why?
[22:31] <Quiznos> i think i liked gnome; i dont remember tho
[22:31] <Dominian> danc3: Yeah, you're a pioneer eh
[22:31] <danc3> Dominian: ummmm, no...   <boggle>
[22:31] <daedalus-sax> there is so much i never use on ubuntu. dont have a scanner, dont need openoffice, although it's a nice office platform, and thats just for starters
[22:32] <MLanden> get what you need when you need it
[22:32] <danc3> daedalus-sax: so why would you want to switch to it?
[22:32] <daedalus-sax> last time i tried opensuse yast didnt work for me
[22:32] <diabolix> I use gnome at work, but only because I have to use ubuntu there, and ubuntu isn't very friendly towards alternative DEs.
[22:32] <hitest> yast blows
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[22:32] <MLanden> lol,hitest
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[22:32] <hitest> well it did on 10.1;)
[22:33] <MLanden> have to agree with you though hitest
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[22:33] <daedalus-sax> because of it's vast ability to do what i need to. i have it installed on my machine. but i make free pc's for a local place that helps out the needy, and im lucky to get 500 mhz machines for the poor peeps.
[22:34] <danc3> daedalus-sax: sounds like more reasons to use Slackware
[22:34] <diabolix> I'm fairly certain that all package managers suck.
[22:34] <dtanner> then slack would be the perfect choice for the 500Mhz machines.
[22:34] <daedalus-sax> have you ever seen ubuntu on a 500mhz machine. turn it on, go have a light lunch, come back
[22:34] <danc3> daedalus-sax: so why use it?
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[22:34] <daedalus-sax> yeah, dsl goes *blink*... um im booted already, can we do something?
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[22:35] <Dominian> Well, DSL was created for quick fast boot
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[22:35] <Dominian> and is meant to run from CD/USB... other distros you named off.. aren't really designed for that :)
[22:35] <daedalus-sax> thats waht i am looking for, quick fast boot, and very little footprint
[22:35] <Quiznos> does anyone use uucp?
[22:35] Nick change: _NaCl_ -> NaCl
[22:36] <mancha> fedora has some farkin' fast boot now
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[22:36] <hitest> daedalus-sax: Slackware with fluxbox on a Plll 500:)
[22:36] <daedalus-sax> hmm, thanx guys, i gotta hit the hay, thanx all!
[22:36] <NaCl> mancha: Selecting the "landscape" option from all of the GUI printing dialogs I have tried (sans hp-print, which needs to be called from a terminal), doesn't cause my printer to print landscape
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[22:37] <MLanden> NaCL what's your printer?
[22:37] <danc3> NaCl: sounds like an incorrect driver being used
[22:37] <mancha> is this from kde mayhaps?
[22:37] <NaCl> HP Laserjet 1012
[22:38] <MLanden> then,it might be printing in raw mode
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[22:40] <danc3> NaCl: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1012
[22:41] <danc3> NaCl: that says it works "mostly"...
[22:41] <mancha> mostly is truly unacceptable i think
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[22:41] <dtanner> you can use traight CUPS of course, or you can use cups PLUS "hp-setup", i have heard, even though I have never needed to with my HP printer , that some people use the CUPS+hp-setup to configure the printer. just a thought.
[22:41] <dtanner> straight*
[22:42] <NaCl> Using the driver "HP LaserJet 1012 hpijs, 3.9.4b"
[22:42] <NaCl> The gutenprint driver doesn't work either.
[22:42] <danc3> NaCl: use hplip
[22:42] <MLanden> NaCl: are you invoking lpr for the printing?
[22:44] <powtrix> #
[22:45] <NaCl> MLanden: no
[22:45] <NaCl> MLanden: trying to do it graphically
[22:45] <NaCl> danc3: isn't that what hpijs is?
[22:45] <NaCl> Last I remember, two years ago, this worked without any particular coaxing.
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[22:49] <dtanner> NaCl: ok, tell us how you setup the printer so we don't have to guess. Did you use the CUPS WEB interface to choose the "HP LaserJet 1012 hpijs, 3.9.4b" driver?
[22:50] <NaCl> dtanner: yes
[22:50] <Quiznos> maybe i should rm all the core files i save?
[22:50] <dtanner> And have you veririfed that this IS the BEST driver for your model printer?
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[22:51] <NaCl> danc3: this (afaict) is the "hplip" printer that openprinting.org says works correctly.
[22:51] <NaCl> dtanner: ^
[22:51] <NaCl> whoops
[22:52] <dtanner> and everything works fine EXCEPT landscape?
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[22:52] <NaCl> As far as I have seen.
[22:53] <dtanner> and how many(and which) applications have you tried printing in landscape mode from?
[22:54] <NaCl> currently, okular and epdfview
[22:55] <thrice`> try evince! :)
[22:55] <dtanner> try something else, ie: oh pick anything, even a simple web page from  a browser and print in landscape mode. Any other ap but those two. hell, open abiword or OOo is you have them installed and try that too.
[22:55] <dtanner> hello thrice` =)
[22:55] <thrice`> hi :>
[22:56] <NaCl> dtanner: going to try OOo, was trying to print a PDF.
[22:57] <danc3> NaCl: probably not the best file type to troubleshoot a printer problem with...
[22:57] <NaCl> The only thing I need to print in a landscape format is a PDF, unfortunately.
[22:58] <danc3> I'm not even sure you *can* print one in landscape, if that's not it's native layout, since PDF's aren't editable.
[22:58] <danc3> but I could be wrong, never tried it I guess
[22:59] <dtanner> Quiznos: what is your issue? what about uucp?
[22:59] <NaCl> danc3: The page size says that it is 11 x 8.5 inches
[23:00] <dtanner> i have never tried printing a pdf in landscape orientation
[23:00] <danc3> ok, that should be printing landscape, as you say
[23:00] <danc3> I guess
[23:00] <NaCl> I just got OOo to print landscape
[23:00] <NaCl> let's try kword
[23:00] <dtanner> NaCl: i would TEST landscape mode with something besides a PDF though just for kicks and grins.
[23:00] <dtanner> ok then it is NOT the driver.
[23:01] <dtanner> and your welcome.
[23:01] <danc3> have you tried printing the PDF without telling it to use landscape?  Just let it rip the way it wants...
[23:02] <powtrix> in vim, how to copy / past ?
[23:02] <dtanner> hehe
[23:02] <NaCl> dtanner: yes, thanks much.
[23:02] <NaCl> danc3: you, too. :)
[23:02] <danc3> kk
[23:02] <BP{k}> powtrix: y p
[23:02] <dtanner> wassup BP{k} ?
[23:02] <dtanner> =)
[23:03] <NaCl> epdf in "portrait" mode worked
[23:03] <NaCl> *epdfview
[23:03] <BP{k}> dtanner: howdy. :) not much, relaxing mostly :)
[23:03] <powtrix> thanks :)
[23:03] <MLanden> take care,slackers....take with y'all later
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[23:04] <dtanner> BP{k}: i just woke up from a hard core 6 hour sleep from a very strong morphine shot frmo the ER ( we will just keep it at that, it was a painful day for me ) feeling better already though.
[23:05] <BP{k}> dtanner: ouch. hope you fully recover soon and sleep is a great healer. :)
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[23:05] <NaCl> dtanner: Apparently, my problem was a PEBCAK. :P
[23:05] <dtanner> NaCl: =) it happens. don't be so too hard on yourself.
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[23:06] <antiwire> ugh
[23:06] <antiwire> I just finished setting up a Windows XP Pro install for work
[23:07] <dtanner> BP{k}: yeah, sleep is a a great healer. especially when you reach REM.
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[23:07] <dtanner> antiwire: sounds rather painful.
[23:07] <antiwire> I'm on it right now
[23:07] <mancha> and start hearing "losing my religion" on loop in our dream
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[23:08] <dtanner> antiwire: I can never decide which version of windows I dislike the least.
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[23:08] <antiwire> I haven't used Windows on my own gear for about 4 years
[23:08] <BP{k}> dtanner: I think for me .. windows 2000 ;)
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[23:09] <antiwire> w2k always felt like it was lacking, at least for me. I don't mind working with XP or w2k3 servers though
[23:09] <antiwire> XP clients I mean
[23:09] <NaCl> dtanner: True.  Although, I don't really get why hp-print "worked" in landscape, but okular/epdfview didn't.
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[23:10] <jeev> i love dual wan
[23:10] <jeev> getting 20 mbit from each isp
[23:11] <dtanner> BP{k}: yeah, 98SE was OK, 200 had to grow on me ( had to use it at work when it first came out) , and all the windows nerds at work swear by XP over the rest, and most of them still do. I can say that VISTA is a total POS imho compared to the others.
[23:11] <thrice`> careful jeev, a 5 year old could probably hack you
[23:11] <jeev> yea right
[23:11] <dtanner> s/200/2000/
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[23:11] <jeev> just cause it happened to you dont mean it'll happen to me
[23:11] <jeev> but i do need to start securing my shit
[23:11] <dtanner> heh
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[23:12] <mfillpot> jeev: start securing? you didn't plan your setup based upon security?
[23:12] <jeev> mfillpot, i have over 75 servers
[23:12] <CmdLnKid> ouch
[23:12] <mfillpot> jeev: in that case you really dropped the ball
[23:12] <antiwire> 75 botnet members, not including the VMS
[23:12] <thrice`> lol
[23:12] <dtanner> I can't stand some of thsees routers nowadays that have the "dropbear ssh" installed , even though i block the port on the machines behind the modem/router it still "shows" ssh open from the outside but you can't login into it.
[23:13] <jeev> heh
[23:13] <jeev> i need to make september 14th, national jeev password changing day
[23:13] <antiwire> dtanner: Is it running openwrt /dd-wrt or just some stock firmware?
[23:14] <mfillpot> jeev: do they have proper firewall, logging or even tripwire installed?
[23:14] <dtanner> antiwire: stock firmware
[23:14] <antiwire> dtanner: darn
[23:14] <antiwire> that option is changeable in openwrt and dd-wrt
[23:15] <dtanner> antiwire: I will keep that in mind, thanks.
[23:15] <jeev> those servers? no
[23:15] <jeev> i dont do anything but basic http
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[23:15] <mfillpot> jeev: what are those servers even used for?
[23:15] <thrice`> geocities.com, etc
[23:15] <dtanner> antiwire: I am assuming you have noticed the dropbear ssh port opened by default with no option to change it in stock firmware?
[23:15] <jeev> video's of thrice's mom getting screwed by a horse
[23:16] <antiwire> dtanner: yes, on some stock firmwares they have a crappy default config used for dropbear/busybox
[23:16] <thrice`> :D
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[23:16] <jeev> here's the awesome part, thrice is the camera man
[23:16] <antiwire> dtanner: and since it's stuck in the firmware, you're screwed in those cases
[23:16] <jeev> editor, producer and writer
[23:16] <thrice`> oldie
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[23:17] <mfillpot> jeev: what OS(s) are the servers running?
[23:17] <dtanner> antiwire: you ever noticed that damn "remoteanything" port in stock firmware with no option to change? that one lookked scary at first until i researched it pretty hard. i still want to know how to close it in certain routers.
[23:18] <jeev> fbsd
[23:18] <mfillpot> then the condition is not so bad
[23:18] <antiwire> dtanner: unfortunately many of the retail level off the shelf routers have horrible firmwares
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[23:19] Nick change: toastytoast -> superbefunglingb
[23:19] <superbefunglingb> oh man
[23:19] Nick change: superbefunglingb -> toastytoast
[23:19] <toastytoast> its to long :(
[23:20] Action: dtanner is actually having BUFFALO meat right now. man this stuff is good!
[23:20] <jeev> could you imagine i was running redhat ? wow.
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[23:20] <CmdLnKid> toastytoast, thats what she said
[23:21] <CmdLnKid> jeev, ;) you could have atleast put CentOS on it ;)
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[23:21] <toastytoast> rlly
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[23:22] <toastytoast> was she talking about superbefunglingbrainfuck86
[23:23] <mfillpot> jeev: why don't you just pipe the remote commands to your servers in a batch file using ssh to quickly secure them?
[23:23] <hexorcist> if you do: nice -1 <command1> | <command 2>, command2 isn't nice'd is it? or does it inherit the nice from command1 ?
[23:23] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar
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[23:24] <Urchlay> you'd have to "nice -1 command1 | nice -1 command 2" or else "nice -1 ( command1 | command2 )" assuming that's allowed (I can't remember)
[23:25] <quasar> thought so and thanks
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[23:25] <Urchlay> nawp, () not allowed there
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[23:26] <acidtripper> any idea how to bypass wifi security?
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[23:26] <antiwire> phew
[23:26] <Urchlay> don't set it up in the first place?
[23:26] <antiwire> that ordeal just felt unholy
[23:27] <quasar> that sounds like an antiwire question to me :p
[23:27] <mfillpot> acidtripper: crack the passphrases
[23:27] <antiwire> ut oh
[23:27] <quasar> antiwire: (acidtripper) any idea how to bypass wifi security?
[23:27] <antiwire> what was the question?
[23:27] <antiwire> depends on the security used
[23:27] <mfillpot> acidtripper: but I won't tell how
[23:27] <acidtripper> wpa
[23:28] <antiwire> you're pretty much stuck bruting it
[23:28] <mfillpot> did anyone else catch the news that someone was able to break WPA and WPA2 in less than 30 seconds?
[23:28] <antiwire> mfillpot: it's not broken
[23:28] <acidtripper> just a silly question to know if its possible
[23:28] <antiwire> it's just getting closer to being broken
[23:28] <antiwire> acidtripper: it's possible to crack WEP but WPA still requires brute forcing to fully break
[23:28] <antiwire> or an insanely complex mitm attack
[23:29] <mfillpot> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6837/1/
[23:29] <Urchlay> "Both the Beck-Tews and Ohigashi-Morii attacks work on only the TKIP algorithm. They do not work on newer WPA2 devices or on WPA systems that use the much stronger Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) algorithm, which is a triple key encryption method."
[23:29] <mfillpot> my note was wrong only WPA - TKIP has been broken
[23:29] <Urchlay> so whoever said to use AES, listen to them
[23:30] <antiwire> mfillpot: and if you read the whole abstract it you find two key points; they can only decrypt parts of the protocol still and it requires the insanely complex mitm
[23:30] <antiwire> I just finished setting up WPA-EAP TLS on my home network
[23:31] <mfillpot> antiwire: yes that is true, but at least they have broken something. what drives me crazy is vendors telling people to use WEP.
[23:31] <powtrix> is there a good pastebin clone that accepts utf?
[23:31] <aceofspades19> why would anyone use WEP
[23:31] <mfillpot> aceofspades19: because linksys or their ISP told them to
[23:31] <aceofspades19> why did they tell them to?
[23:32] <antiwire> they still set WEP to be the default option for encryption because there are still WEP only devices out there and people without knowledge on this topic are better off at least using WEP than nothing
[23:32] <mfillpot> aceofspades19: because most people don't know anything about security
[23:32] <Urchlay> becase they're stuck using ancient equipment that only supports WEP, maybe? (but in real life, everyone seems to throw away everything every year or so, so I dunno how likely that really is)
[23:32] <aceofspades19> antiwire: not really
[23:33] <antiwire> aceofspades19: you think plaintext wide open is better than at least WEP?
[23:33] <hitest> night all
[23:33] <aceofspades19> any wardriver can crack WEP easily
[23:33] <antiwire> ...
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[23:34] <antiwire> any person without any skill at all can connect to an open AP....
[23:34] <antiwire> WEP will still stop the casual snooper
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[23:34] <aceofspades19> any person that actually knows how to snoop would know how to crack WEP
[23:34] <Urchlay> which means WEP will likely keep out your completely ignorant neighbors, who will see you have a wlan, try to connect to it, go "Oh, it didn't work" and will forget about it forever instead of getting interested in learning how to crack WEP
[23:35] <antiwire> Are we actually having this conversation? aceofspades19, do you really think wide open is better than at least a default encryption of WEP?
[23:35] <mfillpot> hell every network I can see ~20 are on WEP because that is how the ISP set them up
[23:35] <Urchlay> it's the equivalent of the latch on a screen door: it keeps out the casually curious, just because it's a symbol meaning "private property"
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[23:36] <antiwire> mfillpot: unfortunately it's the safest bet for the installers. Rather than dick around with figuring out if the client hardware AND software support WPA, WEP is much more likely to just work for the lamer installer people.
[23:36] <aceofspades19> what hardware doesn't support WPA
[23:36] <aceofspades19> that most people use
[23:36] <mfillpot> antiwire: their laziness jsut makes it more fun for me
[23:37] <antiwire> I have plenty of cards around that don't
[23:37] <Urchlay> aceofspades19: poor people who get their friends' hand-me-down PCs
[23:37] <tank-man> a nintendo ds lite only does wep
[23:37] <antiwire> aceofspades19: You still haven't answered my question; do you think it is better to have a wide open AP or at least have WEP enabled?
[23:38] <aceofspades19> antiwire: I don't think it would really matter
[23:38] <antiwire> That's interesting, especially considering the percent of people who can actually crack WEP
[23:38] <antiwire> not to mention the threat profile of your average home user
[23:39] <aceofspades19> anyone can crack WEP if they spend 5 minutes googling
[23:39] <antiwire> ...
[23:39] <Urchlay> I used to run a wide-open AP, then one day I noticed my bandwidth being eaten (by a windows machine with wide-open SMB shares, I looked & found it was my next door neighbor)
[23:39] <antiwire> aceofspades19: Walk down the street and ask everyone you see if they know what WEP even is.
[23:40] <Urchlay> so to keep him out, did I use WPA? Or even WEP? No, I just set up a MAC address whitelist... trivial for anyone with any knowledge to bypass, but nobody ever did
[23:40] <tank-man> just set the ssid name to "bigbother" or "honeypot"
[23:40] <tank-man> security thru fear
[23:40] <quasar> I just disable wireless and bust out the cat5e :)
[23:41] <tank-man> bigbrother that is
[23:41] <aceofspades19> antiwire: there isn't many people on my street at 9 pm
[23:41] <Reticenti> i can no longer connect via ssh to this machine
[23:41] <antiwire> oh man hahaha that was a good one. nice diversion attempt
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[23:41] <Urchlay> cause let's face it, most of us aren't working for the CIA or anything, we don't really need strong crypto for casual home use, any  more than most of us need an armored car for casual driving around
[23:41] <Reticenti> this happens when i leave the system on for about 12 hours
[23:41] <dimm0k> anyone able to get conky 1.7.2 to compile on slackware 13.0?
[23:41] <aceofspades19> Urchlay: you don't have an armored car?
[23:41] <Reticenti> dimm0k: is taht the newest version?
[23:42] <dimm0k> Reticenti: yep, it is
[23:42] <Reticenti> i dont know what version i have, but it's newish
[23:42] <Urchlay> aceofspades19: eh, I used to drive a Toyota with a button on the dashboard marked "Deflector Shields", does that count? (It was right next to "Phasers")
[23:42] <aceofspades19> I really didn't understand why nintendo didn't put WPA support in the DS lite
[23:42] <dimm0k> Reticenti: did you enable wireless?
[23:43] <Reticenti> dimm0k: what do you mean?
[23:43] <agentc0re> antiwire: Finished that FBI resume.  Hoping for the best.  But i have to find 5 pieces of documentation to send them..  One i have.. the other i'm not sure how long it'll take to get and the rest.. well  no idea.
[23:43] <Urchlay> aceofspades19: because it's a silly video game, used mostly by little kids, who aren't doing anything important enough  to need strong crypto?
[23:43] <dimm0k> Reticenti: trying to get wireless stats for conky...
[23:43] <Reticenti> and dimm0k i have 1.7.2
[23:43] <antiwire> agentc0re: good luck on that. I hate the job interview process but when it's over it feels good
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[23:44] <Urchlay> I'm actually kinda surprised it supports WEP (I suppose they'd have had to pay extra to get a custom non-WEP-able chip made, these days)
[23:44] <Reticenti> like your ip? dimm0k ?
[23:44] <agentc0re> antiwire: Plus i might end up taking some polygraph test if it goes that far.  That'll be fun.  I've heard some horror stories.
[23:44] <antiwire> agentc0re: hahaha
[23:44] <aceofspades19> Urchlay: but if you don't have WPA support then you have to have a router that uses WEP
[23:44] <Reticenti> dimm0k: i had a config file that grabbed weather, and it works
[23:44] <Urchlay> aceofspades19: hm, no such thing as a router/AP that can operate in both modes?
[23:44] <agentc0re> Well, they know my IP after the application process.  Time to renew.
[23:44] <dimm0k> Reticenti: did you compile conky?
[23:44] <antiwire> agentc0re: I didn't have to do that for this job but I was required do the personality test, drug test, background check and fingerprinting
[23:45] <Urchlay> simultaneously, I mean
[23:45] <Reticenti> dimm0k: i cant remember how i got it
[23:45] <aceofspades19> Urchlay: I've yet to see a consumer model that can use WPA and WEP at the same time
[23:45] <antiwire> the Fonera can do that
[23:45] <antiwire> you can setup multiple SSIDs using different encryption types
[23:46] <Reticenti> dimm0k: i'm pretty sure i compiled it
[23:46] <aceofspades19> I've never heard of the fonera until today so I doubt many people have it
[23:46] <antiwire> some units that support multiple SSIDs can also do it
[23:47] <Reticenti> dimm0k: what problem are you having?
[23:47] <Urchlay> aceofspades19: that's really sad, cause I can't think of any real (technical) reason why it shouldn't be  able to
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[23:48] <Urchlay> this is why I'd rather have a proper (Linux or BSD) router/AP/firewall box, even on a home network...
[23:48] <mfillpot> night all
[23:48] <Urchlay> not that I actually have one  these days (I rent a room, use their shitty linksys for free)
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[23:49] <dimm0k> trying to compile with --enable-wlan
[23:49] <antiwire> Urchlay: technically, there is no really good reason. Tactically, the reason is that Cisco would rather you buy a much more expensive enterprise level unit for that functionality than have the ability to buy a 50 dollar retail unit and get that ability.
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[23:50] <dimm0k> Reticenti: then it stops on checking for iw_sockets_open in -liw... no
[23:50] <dimm0k> configure: error: iw_sockets_open not found
[23:50] <antiwire> That's one of the reasons that Cisco neutered the wrt54g* line after they bought out linksys. People could take the 4MB and 8MB flash units, install dd-wrt or openwrt and get enterprise level abilities from super cheap retail units.
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[23:52] <Reticenti> dimm0k: i dont know, i didnt do that, and my conky can use my wlan iface....
[23:53] <Reticenti> does anyone know why ssh would stop working if my computer has no user interaction for a few hours?
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[23:53] <antiwire> Reticenti: can you ping the ssh server when it starts happening?
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[23:54] <Reticenti> i'm not sure
[23:54] <antiwire> Reticenti: What have you done to trouble shoot the issue?
[23:54] <sunzofman1> anyone migrate from slamd64 to slackware64?
[23:54] <Reticenti> antiwire: nothing, i have no idea what to do
[23:54] <Reticenti> antiwire: restarting works lol
[23:55] <antiwire> well then next time it happens see if it is just sshd or if the whole system drops off the network.
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[23:57] <Reticenti> antiwire: what would i have to do if the entire system was off the network?
[23:58] <Reticenti> because that seems more like what is happening
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[23:58] <antiwire> If that is the case you get to trouble shoot the network card and its driver
[23:58] <antiwire> is it wired or wireless?
[23:58] <Reticenti> wireless
[23:58] <antiwire> which driver/card?
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[23:59] <Reticenti> uhh, it's a rosewill RNX-g300EX
[23:59] <antiwire> is it using dhcp to get an address?
[23:59] <Reticenti> how do i check whichmodule it's using?
[23:59] <Reticenti> i'm using static
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