[00:14] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.55.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Where do you set your hostname? [00:17] Bingo!: /etc/HOSTNAME [00:21] alienBOB: if i have an nvidia card that can make use of libvdpau, do i need to rebuild your vlc package to be able to make use of it? [00:22] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Quit: brb [00:23] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:24] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:25] rheault (~rheault@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:26] zaltekk: more than likely, you need a vdpau enabled ffmpeg. [00:28] XGizzmo: vlc uses ffmpeg? [00:29] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:29] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [00:33] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:33] yes [00:33] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.55.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:35] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] XGizzmo: okay. i'll take a look at rebuilding everything in a while [00:36] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:37] his slackbuild for vlc says you need vdpau-video as well. [00:44] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:44] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.237.105) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:45] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:46] XGizzmo: okay, i'm making the slackbuilds for them right now [00:47] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-104-22.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] well shit... [00:49] i installed the libva package and now my system broke [00:49] what is libva? [00:49] can't execute anything...seems kinda like when i accidentally used a 32bit slackpkg mirror [00:50] mancha: it's for hardware video decoding api [00:50] libvdpau-video needs libvdpau and libva [00:50] oh, video accel, ok. [00:51] i don't think there is any way to check and see what it overwrote since i can't open a new bash prompt or execute any commands in my current ones [00:52] i guess i need to start off my install disk and try to figure out what went wrong [00:52] where'd you get the package from? [00:52] i built it from slackbuilds.org [00:52] and they had no warning that it would trash your system? [00:52] sounds like pebkac then :/ [00:52] pebkac? [00:53] SBo does quality control, so i am assuming you messed up? [00:53] idk. [00:54] "ARCH=x86_64 sudo ./libva.SlackBuild" and "sudo installpkg /tmp/libva-whatever-x86_64.tgz" [00:58] Action: alphageek blinks [00:58] the tv show i'm watching on my laptop is almost over and then i'll investigate [00:58] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.205) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-163-5-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Have any of you run into an issue with NetworkManager where it wouldn't save passwords? [01:02] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [01:03] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:11] woh3 (~will@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] woh3 (will@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [01:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-163-5-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:18] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:19] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:19] so it looks like it was my fault after all [01:19] i edited /etc/profile so that the default umask is 0077 [01:20] so when i ran the slackbuild the directories it made were only accessible by root [01:20] then when the package installed, it made all of /usr inaccessible to me [01:20] :) [01:22] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-163-5-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] now the question is how i should look at solving this in the future [01:23] Have any of you run into an issue with NetworkManager where it wouldn't save passwords? [01:23] i don't really want the umask to be set so that home directories are by default open to anyones eyes [01:24] and it'd be annoying to have to change the umask every time i build a slackbuild [01:24] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@112.202.241.192) joined ##slackware. [01:24] alkos333: what's NetworkManager? [01:25] http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ [01:28] alkos333: :( what you want to do? [01:28] alkos333: are you using the slackbuild? [01:29] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:29] ashe (~ashe@118.96.233.119) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:31] Yeah [01:31] zaltekk: iceheart: It's not saving passwords when it should. [01:31] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [01:32] i don't know what to tell you other than to google. i never used networkmanager, and i know next to nothing about it. [01:33] That's cool, I've been googling. I'm gonna try something here really quikc [01:33] *quick [01:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-163-5-76.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:35] me too, do you tried #nm? [01:41] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[01:57] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:57] javi: try looking in .kde/share/config/session [01:58] i personally don't use any plasmoids [01:58] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-27-161.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:09] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-104-22.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:09] zaltekk, [02:11] the file that stores the configuration tells me the programs that were open ... but not plasma! What I do is change the file-rc plasma-something in .kde / share / config / for example plasma-desktop-appletrc let's see if it works. Be right back ... Thanks! [02:12] javi (~javiers@190.174.79.142) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:12] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.234) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:14] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.204) joined ##slackware. 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[02:44] (I want openvpn to be able to manipulate bridge setup, and the user is nobody). [02:44] alienBOB: yes, thankyou, i figured that out by reading the ffmpeg slackbuild. i was missing vdpau-video [02:46] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-177-222.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:46] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [02:48] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:52] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:55] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [03:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. 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[03:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:57] tsuyoi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Congrats, c1az, asshattery just made your ban longer. [03:59] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [04:01] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-27-161.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:05] newslacker (root@207-119-203-183.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [04:07] Reticenti (~josiah@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Is it possible to get a scheme interpretor (easily) for slack? 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[04:20] Ansa89: no, i mean the scheme dialect of lisp [04:20] Reticenti, ah ok...sorry [04:20] :P [04:22] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-27-89.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:22] jaminja (~jaminja@unaffiliated/jaminja) left irc: Quit: "eternal trails in netvoid" [04:23] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-7-23.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:27] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:27] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:30] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.254) joined ##slackware. [04:31] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-101-252.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[05:03] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:06] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-101-252.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:07] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:08] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:10] pete` (~user@008.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:12] juice: wut? [05:19] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D4F6A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:20] jrodger (~jrodger@27-32-19-10.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:23] What is a working rdesktop application for xfce? need connect to windows servers.... [05:25] jrodger, open terminal rdesktop --help [05:25] rdesktop should work [05:29] Cool, I'll try it on my wife's computer when she goes to watch tv...... 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[05:42] Reticenti - but of course you can install other scheme interpreters (and compilers). http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/guile.html , chicken: http://www.call-cc.org/ , chez: http://www.scheme.com/ [05:44] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [05:45] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] mbohun: ah, nice, thanks :) [05:47] finding out the name of it is half the battle [05:49] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-119055.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:49] grep scheme -ri /var/log/packages | grep -v swig [05:49] :P [05:57] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.246.15) joined ##slackware. [05:58] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu expired. 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[06:16] s/fmim/fwiw/ [06:17] morning Zordrak [06:19] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:20] hier je faisais que gagné et maintenant c'est le contraire [06:20] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:21] Wiren: you have more chance to get an answer if you rephrase it in english :P [06:22] sorry it's a mistake [06:22] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [06:22] np :) [06:22] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-124-17.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:24] SOUL_OF_R00T (~~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:26] After using Slackware for a little while, I have nothing but respect for you guys (and girls) for your opinion when it comes to choice of OS. I want to tinker with a BSD as well and wondered which (if any!) you guys used or would use... [06:27] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-126-233.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Slobad: used the big 3 and really like them, try them for yourself and form your own opinion :) [06:30] surrounder, am I wrong to think that I will run into hardware issues all over the place with the various bsd kernels compared to support for hardware provided by the linux kernel? [06:31] rafu (~rafu@42-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. 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[08:42] http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=929 [08:43] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-104-22.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] not even remotely worried [08:45] corporate terrorirm [08:46] -ism [08:47] Qt is big enough not to be really worried by that [08:48] and in case Nokia stops using it (which it certainly won't do), there'll be another company to continue [08:48] there's a market for Qt (support) [08:48] from what I gather, a former microsoft employee is taking the position - I don't see the justification of the headline [08:49] It's just fud [08:49] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-104-22.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:50] tsccof (~tsccof@200-102-88-32.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:51] thrice`: agreed [08:52] it made me think of boycottnovell.com [08:54] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-168-198.bur.connect.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:54] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [08:55] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:59] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:01] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [09:06] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:10] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.102.218) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:10] i-i3id3r (~i-i3id3r_@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [09:17] searching for this provides me with ways to shutdown on the terminal, but how do i allow a user access to the shutdown button in kde? this is to make it easier for my family using an old laptop of mine. I don't bother with my machines normally [09:17] what happens now, the icon is simply missing, or you get permission denied ? [09:20] thrice`, The button is missing. I have tried adding the user account to the power group but no luck. [09:20] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:20] hum, I think if you right click on the menu, you have to actually add the button ? [09:22] qt is dual licensed anyway. [09:22] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:22] see http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php [09:22] ananke: right it could be forked just like xfree86 [09:22] aziztcf (~aziztcf@dial-82-141-80-119.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:23] thrice`, further searching on this and it says that logging into kde through startx after booting into run level 3 means "no shutdown button for me" [09:23] thrice`, and if i want this then i should boot straight into run level 4. Otherwise it's a case of loggin out and then shutting down. [09:24] really? slack's .xinitrc launches a consolekit session, which I think is all that it needs :/ [09:26] thrice`, I couldn't tell you :-S I will investigate a little further [09:26] changing /etc/inittab to run level 4 and rebooting would probably be a simple test ;) [09:27] just exit kde and rund kdm [09:27] telinit 4 [09:28] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.246.15) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:29] alisonken1lap: then you loose all but 1 of your agettys [09:29] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.246.15) joined ##slackware. [09:30] XGizzmo: that can be fixed in /etc/inittab [09:30] I have a shutdown button. not a problem really that I have to boot into run level 4 as I always do that anyway after logging into 3 [09:30] sure it can but runlevel 4 only run one extra command kdm [09:31] after "telinit 4" (and I have edited my inittab file) it did say that "removed sound devices" on login and I am currently without sound. Hopefully a reboot (hello windows!) will sort that [09:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.246.15) left irc: Client Quit [09:35] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [09:36] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:36] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:38] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.246.15) joined ##slackware. [09:39] after changing to default run level 4, I am unable to get sound from speakers. Kde tells me at login time that the alsa default playback is not working [09:44] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. 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[10:09] check your kde settings on sound server [10:10] it says in the kde panel that the card isn't there and that it may be because the driver isn't loaded. there is no sound but there is also no sound card to configure [10:10] Slobad as root: lspci |grep -i "multi\|audio\|040[0-3]" and post output to this chan [10:11] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [10:11] Slobad run this command and then paste output to this channel: cat /proc/asound/modules [10:12] 0 snd_hda_intel [10:12] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:12] Slobad this command has a volume meter at the bottom of its output with a changing number of #'s and %'s to show volume levels so run this command and tell me if the number of #'s and %'s are changing: aplay -vv /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_* [10:13] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:14] gnubien, it does move. it also provided sound. mulimedia configuration in kde says the sound card isn't loaded. music on login does not play and youtube sound (as test) does not work. that last command you gave me did provide sound [10:15] Slobad: alsa is working ok, problem is kde sound setup imho [10:16] This problem occurred when I changed to run level 4 by default. Is this an issue that I am encountering because I have failed to change something that I should have done and all Slackware users would have just made the change on instinct? [10:16] Slobad: is your user in the 'audio' group? [10:16] would it help if it was? :-S [10:17] because it is... now [10:17] Slobad: logout then login again, test sound [10:18] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.246.15) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:19] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.246.15) joined ##slackware. [10:19] I don't think you know how clever you are :-) Thanks ever so much guys [10:19] It is a FAQ Slobad... [10:19] I am a little confused as to why not being in that group was never a problem when I got to kde through startx [10:20] are you sure you didn't wipe your other groups while adding yourself to the power group? [10:21] Slobad: it is not a problem when you use runlevel 3 - but logging in through KDM makes things (such as requiring explicit group membership to audio, power, and others) a bit different [10:21] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.32.156.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:22] SOUL_OF_R00T (~~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Saindo [10:22] thrice`, yep, certain. No matter - good thing is that not once was I tempted to just install Ubuntu :-) I have noticed a much better visual provided when logging into KDE this way. A little juddery sometimes due to the higher quality I am getting but looks nicer. More KDM stuff loading up that wasn't before I guess [10:23] perhaps a book written by an idiot like me would help future idiots like me :-) [10:25] Slobad: everyone needs to learn before he masters [10:25] There is nothing bad about that [10:26] I hear that some idiot needs a solid kick in the balls for not getting the latest slackbook out in anything approaching ad ecent time frame. [10:26] Nick change: e01_ -> e01 [10:26] Alan_Hicks: agree, What's up with that bloke anyway [10:26] Alan_Hicks, Slackbook V2 has been amazing a big help though! [10:26] alienBOB: I don't know. Some one needs to get on his ass. [10:26] Not me! [10:26] *pass* [10:27] Tried that in Sao Paulo, once was enough [10:27] alienBOB, everyone needs to learn before he masters ;-) [10:27] Brrr [10:27] Slobad: HAHAHAHA [10:28] Slobad: It's not near complete, but there is a lot of information, and I wouldn't mind feedback from a newbie. http://lizella.net/book/book.html [10:28] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [10:28] I don't know any newbies that I could as... oh... oh i see [10:28] :^) [10:29] fosforo_ (fosforo@189.45.2.99) left ##slackware. [10:29] Alan_Hicks, I am immediately going to look for WPA wireless configuration [10:30] Slobad: http://lizella.net/book/book.html#id336384 [10:32] Alan_Hicks, Have grabbed that page now if you wanted to lock it down again [10:32] Slobad: Nah, I keep it up. It ain't linked anywhere. [10:32] not YET [10:32] Alan_Hicks: It is now :) slackboy is *always* watching [10:32] I'm going to pirate it as a pre-release [10:33] I still haven't decided on exactly what license to use. Most likely either BSD the whole thing or do some CC Non-commercial and give Slackware Inc. a commercial exemption. [10:34] Alan_Hicks: what format do you want your pics/screenshots ? PNG? Any height/width preference? [10:34] whatever happened to GPLv2? [10:35] its still around [10:35] when mounting a device, is there any way to probe it for a file system type? for example, I was just using trial and error on an external hard drive with "cifs, vfat" trying to get it to mount. [10:35] i didnt mean in the more literal sense [10:35] YOu can use it instead of v3 even [10:35] alienBOB: I _really_ don't know. I think JPG would be better than PNG, 'cause publishers are likely more familiar with it. With that said, the last time we did the slackbook, loader wrote some postscript stuff that replaced the screen shots with simple black-n-white text. I expect that's easier for the publishers to deal with. [10:35] Dominian: i meant "why not just..." [10:35] Zordrak: then.. why not just say that [10:35] If possible, black-n-white pics are greatly preferred with a minimum of grayscaling. Those seem to look better in the printed books i've read. [10:36] Dominian: duff programming [10:36] Slobad: -t auto [10:36] Not garaunteed to work though. [10:36] Alan_Hicks, ta. [10:37] isnt -t assumed? [10:37] Alan_Hicks, As a newbie, one of the first things I wanted to do was get my network up and running. Any reason hat you've moved the networking so fat back compared to V2? [10:37] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) joined ##slackware. [10:37] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) left irc: Changing host [10:37] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Slobad: Yeah. I kinda re-organized things in what I felt was a more logical progression. [10:38] Start with installation, get X working, setup local devices like printers and what not, then setup the network. [10:38] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:38] I also wanted to go through adding users and some basic local CLI commands to get the user more familiar so that some of that scary magical feeling wears off before they edit config files. [10:39] Alan_Hicks, no mention of SBo? although you have an SBo directory in one of your ls examples ;) [10:40] Alan_Hicks, makes sense [10:40] admboom: SBo isn't an official Slackware project. It along with others might get mentioned in an appendix or something. [10:40] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [10:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:41] Alan_Hicks, I was looking for a section that details the BSD init styles, for users looking for init symlinks in rc?.d and other slackware specific configuration details [10:42] I get the "where do i get package X", thought mentioning SBo might be handy. apendix is good [10:43] <_RadioHead> anyone how can i forward internet when TTL of ISP is stipped to 1 ? [10:44] Alan_Hicks, something that a) scared me off b) made me feel like slackware wasn't any good (sorry but it WAS true) was the lack of dependency checking. I thought, if I want a program (and want it to work)... why would I not want to have the dependencies? A podcast with Patrick over at tllts explained it better than anyone else ever has (which was always along the lines of "just because... if you don't like it, go away") and I haven't thought anything o [10:44] f it since [10:44] i always say slackware does dependency checking, its called 'ldd' [10:45] <_RadioHead> admboom: correct , i never had problem runing something in slackware , or maybe that is very rare case [10:46] admboom: oh? I call it "error fails to run and complains loudly on stdout/stderr": ldd is too advanced for me ;-) [10:46] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D4F6A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:46] Once I started using it (after having a proper explanation) I never had an issue either. I just needed a better explanation to the "we do it differently to everyone else in an "on the surface" negative way [10:47] I don't think the positives of doing the installation of dependencies yourself is explained sufficiently enough when it comes to selling slackware to users [10:48] "it gives you greater control" just never cut it for me when i was an outsider looking in. "I want this package but if i need this to make it work... then i don't want this package" - to me other tools like yum listed those dependencies and you could just cancel at that point. Patrick (as I guess you would expect) provided the best reasoning to why you would want to do it that way. [10:49] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [10:50] Just to avoid the "is this guy just trollin' or what?", I am a lover of Slackware now and can't see myself changing to anything different. You know you've got it back when you're dreaming about your OS right? :-) [10:50] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] no, that just means theres something wrong with you [10:51] Skywise, I have no come back :-D [10:51] thats ok, it was in jest [10:52] Skywise, You have dishonored me sir and I challenge you to a duel! *slap with glove* UrbanTerror at dawn! (gmt) [10:53] you tried [10:53] I failed [10:54] Slobad: I agree with you, I tried to run other OSs for some time, but I always end up coming back to Slack [10:54] Slobad: I also think that "it gives you more control" is not necessarily good marketing [10:54] apt and pacman are some good tools [10:54] but we are slackware users [10:54] that should be sufficient [10:55] you should realize that slackware doesn't advertise or even pursuade people to use it [10:55] I do realise that [10:56] what I mean by "marketing" is what I would tell people about why they should try Slackware [10:56] and dependency handling is something you have to mention [10:56] slackware is most concerned about being technically correct [10:56] o rly [10:56] ur awesome [10:57] :) [10:57] Make it and they will come. Telling people to use Slackware has only one result: the use of you as a permanent teacher. [10:57] things like dependency checking aren't really issues [10:57] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-126-233.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:57] yea, but when you are telling friends "Hey, you should give Slackware a try." [10:57] adding a "It doesn't handle dependencies, though." [10:57] why should they [10:57] it healthy [10:58] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [10:58] I only tell people that who really want to learn how linux works [10:58] surrounder: me too, that's my case [10:58] i don't tell anyone, i figure anyone smart enough to use it, is smart enough to install it on their own too [10:58] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Quit: And I can't put the needle in... [10:58] and as a friend, I prefer to tell them myself that Slackware doesn't handle dependencies [10:58] rather than leaving them to discoring this important fact [10:58] most people i know just want to point and click on their machines [10:58] Skywise, I saw them as such when I wasn't aware of how easy it was an completely aware of why Slackware did it this way. I would only recommend Slackware to someone who is genuinely interested even now. Otherwise, I will use it and they can use whatever suits them and I'm fine with it. [10:59] discovering* [10:59] tsccof: that are not a lot of people, I've noticed - most people I know want a working clickety system, so I don't recommend linux to them anyhow [10:59] surrounder: ahh :( [10:59] i tell newbies to use ubuntu so they don't need to learn about using the system [10:59] Skywise: nah, they'll still bug me with questions [10:59] surrounder: well, I think people should use what they think is best for them, they are always so clever about what's the best for them ;P [10:59] indeed [11:00] people who would be impressed and like slackware are the kind of people already using it [11:00] windows is good for a lot of people [11:00] Skywise: indeed [11:00] I never tell people to use slackware, it only goes like "friend: rah, that's broken!!111!!§§§", "me: works for me, slackware inside :-) " [11:00] The first thing my friend asked me when I threw ubuntu at home for his older machine was "how do i get it to look like windows?" [11:00] adrien: hehe [11:00] I found him an old copy of windows as I did not want to go down that road [11:00] well, I gave Slackware to a newbie friend of mine, he loves it, never had an issue [11:00] of course, he has this thing called brain [11:00] most people consider the computer an appliance and don't care about whats going on underneath [11:00] and he prefers to use his brain rather than his mouse [11:01] i'm 10x faster in cli then in a gui [11:01] There's only one way. Make Slackware the FIRST OS your children use. Let Darwin do the rest. [11:01] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [11:01] lol [11:01] lol [11:01] rofl! [11:02] my grandfather is 73 [11:02] he runs arch linux [11:03] he learnt it [11:03] people are lazy [11:03] enough said. [11:03] hell i think most kids nowadays can only use an console or a cell phone [11:03] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [11:04] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-176-136.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:04] i had this one friend who kept getting infected and couldn't figure out why, and then one day he was surfing with his 5 year old daughter and when he went to the website she wanted he was flooded with popups [11:05] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] bloody hell [11:05] and he was trying to say no and cancel them when the daughter says, "daddy, its faster if you just say yes" [11:05] hrhr [11:05] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [11:05] lol [11:05] conclusion: give your children something unix-like [11:06] conclusion - give them their own pc and if they break it, they can fix it [11:06] don't let the kids surf alone and run adblock and no script [11:06] love_for_no_script++ [11:07] conclusion 2.0: give them their own pc, give them something unix-like, shouldn't break, in case it does, they can fix it [11:07] tsuyoi (giantpanda@127.0.0.1.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [11:07] conclusion: do the world a favour, don't have kids [11:07] "it's faster if you just say yes" - that will be my new mantra [11:07] surrounder: lol ;p [11:08] surrounder: you should put that on your freezer [11:08] hehe [11:08] tsccof: and on post-its all across the office [11:08] surrounder: :p [11:08] nik0 (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [11:10] surrounder, probably best not to tell your kids you feel that way though... I'd leave it off the freezer [11:11] must go [11:11] :p [11:11] tsccof (~tsccof@200-102-88-32.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:11] Slobad: ah no, builds character! [11:12] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:12] redhate (~inova@189-38-241-3.static-corp.ajato.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:12] asarch (~asarch@187.132.140.6) joined ##slackware. [11:12] surrounder: create a special case in your fridge with all your beers, and put that note inside [11:13] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] hmmmbeer [11:13] only 20 minutes left until it's beer-o-clock [11:14] =) [11:16] cabetux (~javiers@190.174.79.142) joined ##slackware. [11:17] hi, sorry for mi bad english [11:17] i have a problem [11:17] with compile PyQt in Slackware64 13.1 [11:17] the pastebin is http://pastebin.com/Yqw4dcj9 [11:17] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:19] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.115.72) joined ##slackware. [11:19] motaro_ (~motaro@190.166.110.160) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Has anybody noticed how slow is Firefox lately on Slackware [11:20] -lately on slackware [11:20] what is slow? [11:20] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:21] Nick change: nik0 -> niko [11:21] O.o [11:21] Slow? [11:21] Do a little test run firefox on Windows and Slackware and do the same on both. You'll notice the difference [11:21] please, help me! :))) [11:22] motaro_: its fine here. maybe it is ipv6 which is slowing? [11:22] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-117493.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:22] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:22] when solving DNS [11:22] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.114.64) left irc: [11:22] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [11:23] how to disable ipv6 in slack_ [11:23] ? [11:24] cabetux, blacklist ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [11:25] cabetux, PyQt is included on slackware already [11:26] s/on/in/ [11:26] arfon (~arfon@66.87.0.19) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Howdy [11:26] hi arfon :) [11:27] uff [11:27] Hi dive [11:28] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:28] motaro_, FF is slower on Linux than Windows - to do with not being optimised in linux [11:28] bitlord, thanks [11:28] iirc [11:29] dive, no... no in my slack64... [11:29] hmm [11:29] ls /var/log/packages/Py* [11:29] the programs not found PyQt... [11:29] Well it sucks, that even 20 years later Linux users are not taken in consideration. [11:29] cabetux, then install it http://packages.slackverse.org/?v=2&p=451 [11:30] /var/log/packages/PyQt-4.7.3-x86_64-1 [11:30] ...... [11:30] slackpkg install PyQt [11:30] with no programs found??? grrrrrrrrrrrrr [11:31] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.246.15) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:31] weird then, which programs? [11:31] inckka (~xenoneliv@202.129.234.208) joined ##slackware. [11:31] is not gcc upgraded to latest 4.4.x? [11:32] Hello [11:33] I need some help over here..... [11:33] on my networking. [11:33] cabetux, which programs? [11:33] :D [11:33] dive, Liquid Wather install and restart the session tells me that PyQt is not a dependency that is critical to the application and all KDE crashea me ... then wanted to install to stop annoying ... I do not want to start a new KDE session plasmoids empty because I have many things set up to monitor [11:33] What is not working inckka ? [11:34] cabetux: PyQT is In slackware 13.1 by default [11:34] its in l/ [11:34] Now that I think about it, I believe the biggest problem with technology companies not accepting Linux as Potential platform. Is because most Linux users don't ever pay for anything. [11:34] motaro_: you could replace firefox with chrome [11:35] it is much faster [11:35] (imho) [11:35] I use midori too. [11:35] epiphany here [11:35] Lynx is even faster [11:35] Its my network [11:35] :) [11:35] thanks v3gard but it has a library crap not found thing [11:36] Not in the mood to fix it now. [11:36] I don't feel good when using webkit based browsers =/ [11:36] I'm trying to install network-manager But itz really defficult [11:36] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:36] motaro_: what library crap not found thing? :) chrome requires gconf as well, and it is available at slackbuilds [11:36] cabetux, I can't see liquid weather in the plasmoid installer or in the get new plasmoids app. Perhaps it hasn't been updated for kde 4.x.x and that's why it complains. [11:36] cannot find in repositories [11:37] inckka: it is not necessary to ask the same question twice. [11:37] inckka: Slackware has wicd instead of networkmanager [11:37] libnss3.so.1d [11:37] inckka: if you want to get an answer, ask a specific question, and not "i need some help on my networking" [11:37] But I think a networkmanager build script is in slackbuilds.org repository [11:37] **** v3 [11:38] ? [11:38] and I'm using slackware 12.1 based distro called vector linux (no matter, its almst slack 12.1) [11:38] It is vector linux? Then ask in the vector linux forum inckka [11:38] just reinstall the package, I will see what happens now ... and back! Thanks! [11:38] inckka: Have you thought about upgrading to 13.1? [11:38] inckka: #vectorlinux should be on this IRC network too [11:38] 12.1 is also pretty old, there will not be a networkmanager or wicd version that works on it [11:39] wicd doesn't support my 3g modem (huawei) [11:39] <|Slacker|> inckka, try network manager [11:39] <|Slacker|> wicd doesn't support 3g at all [11:39] I'm connecting via now is chest nut dialer, itz a really pain [11:39] cabetux (~javiers@190.174.79.142) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:39] yea need some help over NM [11:39] <|Slacker|> network manager is the way to go for 3g dude [11:40] Need some help pal! [11:40] Action: adamk dislikes network manager. [11:40] <|Slacker|> inckka, does vector have it in its repos? [11:40] I installed NM. [11:40] It won't let me use any wireless device if I turn off the radio for the onboard device. [11:40] motaro_: how did you install chrome? here, that library is located at /opt/google/chrome/libnss3.so.1d (which in turn is a symlink to /usr/lib64/seamonkey/libnss3.so) [11:40] inckka: ask in #vectorlinux [11:41] Please stop the vector linux discussion when Slackware questions are being discussed here - it distracts [11:41] No in repo's I mannually installed [11:41] inckka: would you consider 'upgrading' to Slackware? [11:41] Hey alien, Slack is my os's father. [11:41] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] inckka: I do not like vector linux, so I do not care about it [11:42] Soooo why not switch to Slack? [11:42] inckka: vector linux != slackware. do as alienBOB says and ask your question at #vectorlinux (or upgrade to slackware) [11:42] No I got no distro probe. [11:42] inckka, we cannot help you with vector linux, you will have to ask them. [11:42] Slackware does not recognize nor support its "children". [11:43] I got only a NM running probelem. [11:43] Slackware has no "children", only bastards born from unwed teenage mothers after drunken nights at X-Day. [11:43] plz,help me? :( [11:43] NM is not in Slackware, is it? [11:43] Alan_Hicks, rofl [11:43] haha Alan_Hicks. nice analogy there :) [11:43] But NM is my savier [11:43] to my 3g modem [11:44] Sadly, these children go on to commit 90% of the OSS crime in America. [11:44] Alan_Hicks: did that loader (it is a nick or a program?) convert jpgs to postscript text? [11:44] and I'm using slackware 12.1 based distro called vector linux (no matter, its almst slack 12.1 [11:44] I hope you don't consider your OS as a representation of your personality. [11:45] alienBOB: Yes. It was a guy. "loader" is the only name I have for him, but I think he's Chinese. I got his real name once I believe, but I could netiher spell or pronounce it. [11:45] /ignore inckka [11:45] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:45] inckka: the Slackware bastard children are not 100% compatible with Slackware and may introduce their own bugs. We can not support these distros [11:45] He just sat down and wrote some postcript that looked exactly like the screenshots, only it was solid black-n-white. [11:45] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] inckka: Go ask people in Vector support channels. Don't make me get out my LART. [11:46] <|Slacker|> alienBOB, has a point inckka [11:46] Alan_Hicks: awesome. So no conversion at all, he just cooked them up from scratch in PS? [11:46] But NM is my savier [11:46] alienBOB: Exactly. [11:46] inckka: Can NM save you from a kick/ban? [11:46] Alan_Hicks, rotfl [11:47] ** (nm-applet:19468): WARNING **: applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service. [11:47] lol [11:47] Message: 'Connection ":1.21" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies in the configuration file' [11:47] <|Slacker|> the guy's insistant :p [11:47] inckka, slackware doesn't have NM so we can't help. [11:47] inckka, it's simple: just uninstall NM because it's not part of slack packages [11:47] and then retry [11:47] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:47] with wpa_supplicant [11:48] ScreamerX, wpa_supplicant? [11:48] Its a shame world SLACKWARE community got no idea about children. :@ [11:48] inckka: The answer to your question can be hide by executing the following command: "/join #vectorlinux" [11:48] Theres only 6 [11:48] But here itz 303 [11:48] inckka: 303 people who are laughing at your dumb-ass 'cause we can't help you! [11:49] It's a shame that you have such utter lack of clue that you persist here. [11:49] inckka, because slackware is better tha vector linux [11:49] The closest you'll get to NM support is if you are using 13.1 and my NM builds from SBo. Since you're not, well, you see how this is working out. [11:50] Thanz rworkman, but I'm here, You guys are mess, This is SLACKWARE HA!, FuCK [11:50] Yeah, sure [11:50] lol [11:50] alienBOB, what should the image (with anything that looks like german) on your wiki pages mean? [11:50] alienBOB: I'm right here. ;^) [11:50] This is 3 of the Slackware team talking to you. You think we will advocate vector? [11:51] ScreamerX: just google for the text you see in that pic... it is well-documented on the Internet, and a very interesting read [11:51] my mother tongue is german and i cant understand a word [11:51] ScreamerX: hahahaha [11:51] The "but I'm here" reply indicates that there is a monumental failure to understand *lots* of concepts that are relevant here. [11:51] I grew up a couple of kilometers from the german border, I understand. [11:52] CaBe_TuXx (~CaBeTuX@190.174.79.142) joined ##slackware. [11:52] However, it was americans who did a german dance [11:52] What if I start my post with, "I'm using salcky backy "? [11:52] inckka: you'll end up with a lot less karma [11:52] inckka, just install slackware [11:52] inckka, what is " salcky backy"? [11:52] So this has stopped being funny. [11:52] You STILL can't get help. See http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [11:53] hi [11:53] the problem is: Liquid Weather not work in KDE4 [11:53] Some folks simply cannot be helped. [11:53] rob0, lol [11:53] CaBe_TuXx, yeah that's what I thought, but there are 3 weather applets you can use that are included. [11:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@202.129.234.208' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:54] inckka kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Inckka, http://sweet.nodns4.us <-- read it and learn to help yourself before expecting others to spoonfeed you. [11:54] CaBe_TuXx: perhaps this will help: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3093549 [11:54] haha [11:54] hahaha [11:55] CaBe_TuXx: or you can always try Conky and ConkyForecast, its much lighter, but takes awhile to setup. If your into scritping [11:55] <|Slacker|> damn...gotta go to the bank [11:55] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:55] the solution: remove manual plasmoid.desktop in ~/.kde/share/kde4/services and the directory of plasmoid in .kde/share/apps/plasma/plasmoids/ [11:56] rob0: hehehe, awesome website :) [11:56] I gotta remember how to ban people from slackboy... [11:56] CaBe_TuXx, doesn't that kill _all_ the plasmoids? [11:57] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) left irc: Read error: No route to host [11:57] no dive [11:57] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Ewww, it's KaMii [11:57] or do you mean the individual .desktop? [11:57] you probably did [11:57] lol hi arfon [11:57] ;) [11:57] ... how did I get covered in glitter? [11:58] Squeezed too hard on your Hello Kitty doll? [11:58] haha [12:00] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Dumb NFS question here... Can you have two client machines connected to an NFS share concurrently? [12:00] arfon: those metal noises coming from my computer was the new 1TB HDD [12:00] after I took it out and sent it away, the noises stopped [12:00] YAY MAXTOR! [12:01] its WD [12:01] :( [12:01] I was about to buy 3 of those [12:01] arfon: I had two clients connected to my NFS [12:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-117493.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:01] thanks!!!! :)))) [12:01] bye [12:01] CaBe_TuXx (~CaBeTuX@190.174.79.142) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:01] arfon: I blame the postman not WD [12:01] the box was all smashed when it arrived [12:01] NFS- cool, I must have screwed up a configthen.... [12:02] arfon: definitely. NFS can handle *lots* of connections. [12:02] Good! next paycheck and I'm gonna get those drives [12:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-428887.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:02] and for some reason I still cant figure out how to get my old IBM thinkpad 760E to boot up with a boot disk... i looked all through the bios but its failing every time, my other 760 boots just fine, but it has much less RAM so I dont really want to use that one [12:03] 1st time I've played with NFS so it's all new to me but it seems to work well. [12:03] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-230-96.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:03] KaMii: Why do you have 3 laptops? [12:03] arfon: the only problem I have with NFS is trying to unmount it on the host.... only way I found to unmout it without having problems is to do a reboot [12:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] motaro_ (~motaro@190.166.110.160) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:04] arfon: because idk... im a nerd [12:04] Action: arfon blinks [12:04] Ya think? [12:04] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.254) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:04] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Is there a way to reload the exports file without restarting nfsd? [12:05] the thinkpad was my IRSSI machine, then the HDD started whinning really loud so I took it out, now I just want to boot into linux, ssh into another machine and run IRSSI from tty, but I cant get it to boot with a disk [12:05] Will it boot from a thumb drive? [12:05] lol its soo old it doesnt have usb or cdrom [12:06] arfon: man exportfs [12:06] I bet there's a trashcan somewhere just dying to gobble up and old 760 (that won't boot from a thumb drive) [12:06] Thanks Zordrak [12:06] np [12:06] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:06] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:07] thumb drives are for spoon-feeders, lol [12:07] the floppy will never die! [12:07] <--- still have boxes of them 8", 5.25 and 3.2 [12:08] 8" floppy? thats huge, how many bytes does it hold? lol [12:09] 720K (IIRC) [12:09] Double sided even [12:09] Sheilong (~EU@201-27-167-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Sheilong (EU@201-27-167-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [12:10] lol that can barely hold most txt files [12:10] KaMii: I have a IDE to CF adapter card, maybe you can find one that fits the 2.5" drives and put a CF card in your laptop. [12:11] i doubt the bios would allow it [12:12] Nah, when I used it, Slack/BIOS just saw it as an IDE drive [12:12] No BIOS magic needed [12:12] I didn't need to get out the glitter or anything.... [12:12] hrm, because the bios wont even allow for a 40 gig hdd :S I tried to put an extra 40 gig into the caddy, and the bios wouldnt let it boot [12:13] i dont know if there is a way to trick the bios, i searched all over but cant find anything [12:13] I don't trust used hardrives [12:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:13] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:15] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] no, its ok, I found it in the NSA dumpster, lol j/k [12:15] That doesn't make sense... Back when the whole LBA stuff started, old BIOSes would work with "too large of a drive", it just wouldn't give you the whole space... Then you passed the REAL geometry via LILO and Slackware was perfectly happy.... [12:16] well, this wont boot at all, it sees the HDD but refuses to boot into it [12:16] Does it have a Netboot BIOS option? [12:16] no [12:16] Chuck that sucka [12:17] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-230-96.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] CVS (a drug store here) is selling tiny netbooks for $99! Find a cheap netbook. [12:18] motaro (~motaro@190.166.110.160) joined ##slackware. [12:20] but it has a cool linuxgruven sticker on it [12:20] Jigsaws are your friend... [12:22] rafu (~rafu@42-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:22] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.73.171.220) joined ##slackware. [12:22] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:23] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:25] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-212-175-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] hi guys o/ [12:26] lo mate [12:27] XGizzmo: hows it going dude? =) [12:27] Howdy phrag. [12:27] hey alan =) [12:27] Going good. on last day off then back to work. [12:28] s/on/one/ [12:28] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:28] just found out our entire office is being made redundant... got 6 months though to find a new job (or move to london) [12:29] That kind of sucks [12:29] Oh that sucks! [12:29] meh, not the end of the world... linux SA always needed somewhere =) [12:30] how about you guys? [12:30] hi phrag [12:30] XGizzmo: been up to much on you rholiday? [12:30] hi dive =) [12:30] 6 months is a long time though, maybe they will offer to send you to rio [12:30] yay I can get a hello kitty carrying case for my laptop for $0.01 [12:30] yeh, a lot can happen in 6 months =) [12:31] KaMii: ahaha, gogogo [12:31] phrag: aw dude [12:31] gives you some breathing space [12:31] phrag: ouhtown .. that sucks man [12:31] thanks guys =P [12:34] ppl on ebay are dumb, this guy wants to sell his computer and he said it comes with the adapter, and he put pictures of his sony PSP adapter..... [12:36] does anyone have a problem with the KDE 4.5.1(64-current) power settings for hte screne not working? [12:36] phrag, heya! [12:36] if i use the presentation setting, my screen still ends up going black [12:37] or maybe it just doesn't disable the screensaver? [12:38] that or the console power-save mode [12:38] alisonken1home: console power-save mode? [12:38] where would i look at settings to determine if that is the problem? [12:39] .c.M:# if the kernel supports APM or ACPI power management: [12:39] rc.M:/bin/setterm -blank 15 -powersave powerdown -powerdown 60 [12:40] i have a feeling it's just the screensave doesn't get disabled [12:40] i probably need to figure out how to script the change and then link the script to the power profile [12:42] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-428887.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.2.0 [12:43] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [12:47] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [12:54] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:56] delete your ~/.kde folder? [12:56] delete, no. [12:56] back it up first [12:56] well ya, thats a given [12:57] Dominian (dominian@about/linux/staff/dominian) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:57] Dominian (dominian@about/linux/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Actually, any KDE program has a backup/restore settings option [12:58] saTTY (~saTTY@218.248.80.51) joined ##slackware. [13:00] arfon (~arfon@66.87.0.19) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:01] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.115.72) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:02] talso (talso@S0106001f17c5fe6d.cg.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [13:03] goj (~goj@p5488F8BB.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [13:03] stinky (nemesis@free.blinkenshell.org) got netsplit. [13:03] merciful_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) got netsplit. [13:03] goj (~goj@p5488F8BB.dip.t-dialin.net) returned to ##slackware. [13:03] stinky (nemesis@free.blinkenshell.org) returned to ##slackware. [13:03] merciful_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) returned to ##slackware. [13:05] can you setup LUKS without having to reformat and lose all your data? Im guessing no, and you need to dd the drive, then encrypt it, then dd restore? [13:06] tsuyoi (giantpanda@127.0.0.1.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:06] LUKS will destroy all data on the partition, yes - it creates a new, encrypted partition on top of it [13:06] how does encryption work if the drive is a NFS host? or is that even possible? [13:07] nope [13:07] well, it is, obviously, but it won't be encrypted on the network [13:07] k, I didnt think so, so I cant nfs mount with the passphrase? [13:07] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:07] ...no [13:08] so how do you get encryption/security on a network? or is it even much to worry about? [13:08] saTTY (saTTY@218.248.80.51) left ##slackware. [13:10] several ways [13:10] KaMii: you can use fuse/sshfs if you want encryption [13:10] like if I have a backup drive that is a NFS drive, and I have chronjobs that run to backup data, from other computers on that Backup, and I want everything written to be encrypted on a LUKS [13:10] you can use iSCSI, or IPsec [13:10] KaMii: drive encryption protects the physical drive, nothing else [13:11] ya, but if I cant have a LUKS drive as a nfs host... then I my backups will not be encrypted [13:12] you can encrypt the files you write [13:12] how? [13:12] KaMii: the nfs host can serve from LUKS [13:12] ok [13:12] but the luks will be descrypted locally, not remotely [13:12] -s [13:12] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] well thats fine, because the network is closed and only between three computers [13:13] (i think so at least...you'll have to look into it) [13:13] i do use LUKS, but not NFS [13:13] my LUKS password is entered as part of the boot process [13:13] i've never used any disk encryption and just was looking at hardening slackware and everyone is saying to encrypt the HDD [13:14] how do you get your passphrase encrypted? I hope its not visible in your fstab [13:14] i type it in at boot. [13:14] oh ok [13:14] KaMii is a laptop? do you travel with it? [13:14] otherwise there would be no point in typing it in [13:15] mancha: I have one laptop running slackintosh and Im really thinking about hardening it [13:15] slackintosh? [13:15] but that means I have to delete the HDD [13:15] yes slakintosh 12.1 (PPC port of slackware) [13:15] KaMii: you can look into truecrypt [13:15] i think alienBOB has packages/a build script [13:16] whats different from truecrypt than LUKS or AES? [13:16] iirc, it can encrypt a drive without destroying the data on it [13:16] AES is an encryption standard [13:16] LUKS is a method of using hte encrypted drive. so is truecrypt [13:16] oh, thats nice, but what do the crypto geeks think of truecrypt? [13:17] i use LUKS with serpent [13:17] truecrypt itself isn't the type of encryption [13:17] you still get to choose what it uses [13:17] im just afraid to set up all the encryption, if my kernel isnt configured properly, i will have massive issues [13:19] and... I have no idea how well this will work on Slackintosh, since it uses yaboot, no idea if that will cause conflicts [13:19] KaMii: simple. you don't encrypt everything [13:20] KaMii: i am just using the generic slackware kernel with support for lvm and luks added to the initrd [13:20] you only encrypt the filesystems you really care about [13:20] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.73.171.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:20] oh, well that makes it easier, no need to encrypt the yaboot partition [13:20] my boot partition is of course not encrypted. [13:21] but everything else is [13:22] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] I'm finding some stability issues with slackware64 and the compat32/multlib that was made for it. [13:23] such as [13:24] GArik_ (~wesnoth@93-81-226-1.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:24] I think we're supposed to guess? [13:24] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. 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[13:29] But if I blacklist those packages, when if they are updated, any other new packages that depend on changes in those updates would break, wouldn't they? [13:29] MarkT-: you'd need to manually upgrade your gcc packages to keep them multilib [13:29] if you let slackpkg upgrade then, they'd be 64bit only [13:29] redhate (~inova@189-38-241-3.static-corp.ajato.com.br) left irc: Quit: User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's [13:29] Right, I understand that... [13:31] plus, if gcc and it's libraries were updated in an incompatible way, you'd have to rebuild everything on your entire system that used them [13:31] so that isn't going to happen [13:31] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [13:32] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.249) joined ##slackware. [13:32] wyggler2 (mvlewis@pilot.trilug.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:32] MarkT-, you're trying to run -current probably? [13:32] Yes, thrice, I am. [13:32] I had thought that might be the issue, actually... [13:32] well ;) [13:32] MarkT-: did you create the packages yourself to match current? [13:33] or just use the 13.1 packages already built? [13:33] zaltekk: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are actually asking. [13:34] if you're running -current, you probably have to keep up your own by converting stuff [13:34] MarkT-: did you create your multilib packages using alienBOB's script and -current packages, or did you just download his 13.1 packages? [13:34] Originally, I had just downloaded his 13.0 packages. [13:34] because that's what I had. [13:34] well, then it's obvious why you're having problems now [13:35] you are using 13.0 packages on a -current system [13:35] When 13.1 came out and I did an upgrade-all, all hell broke loose. [13:36] maybe you should upgrade-all and clean system(but keep the non multilib stuff) [13:36] Hmm, first time I've seen this on my machine.. opening a new tab in Konsole gives me a term that hasn't loaded my bash profile, opening a new window.. works perfectly, anyone have any pointers on how to fix that? [13:36] then start over by making your own packages to match -current [13:36] FrankD: edit the profile to start bash -l [13:37] zaltekk: excellent, thanks a lot [13:37] Settings->Configure Profiles->Edit Profile->General->Command: /bin/bash -l [13:37] missyrissy (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: missyrissy [13:37] i think you have to also either restart konsole or edit the current profile(right click in the terminal) [13:37] otherwise new tabs still won't use -l yet [13:38] worked fine ;) [13:38] w/o a restart [13:38] okay. i remember it was being funky when i first changed it [13:38] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [13:38] might be that way with older versions [13:39] i'm using 64-current, and it's the first time it happened for me [13:39] also 64-current [13:39] 13.1+kde4.4.5 didn't do that, as far as i remember [13:39] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [13:39] well partially the current current.. partially from a couple months ago :D [13:39] i deleted my .kde when i upgraded [13:39] zaltekk: I'm not sure what to do to create my own packages as you suggest. [13:39] hmm well i just went to 4.5.2 or whatevers in -current right now, didnt need to restart it, just opened a new tab and it was good to go [13:39] MarkT-: goto alienBOB's site and it will explain. there is a script to do it [13:40] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [13:40] it should be 4.5.1 [13:40] konsole is 2.5 [13:40] if you updated from kde 4.4 -> 4.5, you definitely need to restart [13:41] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:41] Okay.... 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[14:23] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.107.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:26] I put these lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst: root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-generic-2.6.29.6 root=/dev/sda7 ro initrd /boot/initrd.gz but I can not boot slack with grub. any suggestions to change something in there? [14:27] what error message are you getting? [14:27] kernel not found [14:28] just a guess but i think hd0,3 is wrong [14:28] maybe try hd0,6 [14:28] or its your /dev/sda7 [14:28] I think your conflict is one of those [14:28] do you really have 7 partitions on /dev/sda [14:29] KaMii: /dev/sda7 is the my slack root partition. [14:29] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:29] I think you have to change hd0,3 [14:30] I did that and it did not work. [14:30] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [14:31] just curious, but why do you have 7 partitions on sda? [14:31] missyrissy (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Okay I don't mean to interrupt but what the hell does that mean, "scheduled"? [14:31] On airport - http://www.panynj.gov/airports/flight-status.html?view=FLIGHTTRACKER&qtype=ByFlight&apt=JFK&fn=588&al=CA&depdate=20100913 [14:32] govorun (~mini@89.222.155.187) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.249) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:32] govorun (mini@89.222.155.187) left ##slackware. [14:32] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [14:32] govorun (~mini@89.222.155.187) joined ##slackware. [14:32] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Nick change: govorun -> domovoy [14:33] Nick change: domovoy -> govorun [14:33] >9, :0: BCB <=>3> =0@>4C ) [14:33] nice that he asks all these questions then leaves [14:33] 1C;L: ) [14:33] =025@=>5 A?5F80;8AB>2 <=>3> [14:34] govorun: no. don't do that [14:34] O B51O =8E@5=0 =5 ?>=8<0N, 8728=8 ) [14:34] Alan_Hicks: alienBOB we got a problem in here [14:34] B>;L:> =0 @CAA:>< ) [14:34] 5A;8 [14:34] FrankD (~frankd@cpe-24-161-1-107.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:34] phrag: you around? [14:35] I'm here. [14:35] govorun: was doing something werid [14:36] ##slackware: mode change '+o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:36] He was just wanting attention K [14:36] govorun, want to try English? [14:36] KaMii: ?8H8 ?>-@CAA:8 [14:36] all I got was a bunch of junk on myscreen [14:36] s/weird/talking in russian or any other language based on cyrillic" [14:36] dive: B>;L:> =0 @CAA:>< [14:36] That's Russian. [14:36] Looks like ??? to me [14:36] missyrissy: :>=5G=> [14:36] listen to rhisa, s/he/it knows [14:36] KaMii: It's Cyrillic. You need a UTF-8 terminal to read it. [14:36] huh... why isnt my terminal picking it up,k I thought I had it configured to UTF-8 [14:36] KaMii, then you don't have unicode terminal [14:37] or font [14:37] ;04=>, ?>94C @01>B0BL ) [14:37] adaptr, I'm happy with he. :) It doesn't bother me and I notice your specifics to me. [14:37] I'm running a cyrillic charset and it's all ??? to me... :( [14:37] =0 A2O78, 5A;8 GB> [14:37] Thats the time when I wished I learned any russian in the 4 years in school I had it @.@ [14:37] missyrissy: that just didn't parse at all... shall I stick with he then ? [14:37] Oh wait... I'm not, I'm in putty :P [14:37] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-212-175-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:37] His IP is also from Russia. He may simply be trying to communicate in the only way he knows how. [14:38] Alan_Hicks, precisely. :) [14:38] tell him to read the channel topic! [14:38] govorun: 3>@G5==>, => MB :0=0;K 459AB28B5;L=> :0: @07 0=3;89A:> B>;L:>. "0: 20< =C6=> ?>3>2>@8BL 0=3;89A:>5 8;8 =09B8 @CAA:89 :0=0; ?><>I8 [14:38] Just use google/translate. [14:38] HA HA! We need alienBOB to ask him to take us to his leader... :) [14:38] BP{k}: You know Russian? Or Ukranian, or whatever language that is? [14:38] =C B>340 10=LB5, MB>B O7K: 4;O 2 <=5 =5 =C65= ) [14:38] arfon: No. In Soviet Russia, aliens take you. [14:38] Alan_Hicks: fuck no, I wish. I know babelfish ;) [14:39] hrm, how do i enable utf-8 in xchat? [14:39] BP{k}: hahaha [14:39] zing! nice Alan_Hicks [14:39] Alan_Hicks: I know vodka ;) [14:39] KaMii, which font are you using? [14:39] <=5 8=AB@C<5=B, 0 =5 MB>B A@0=K9 0=3;89A:89 =C65= [14:39] monospace [14:39] She's using the smurfy font set [14:39] B0: GB> 45;09B5 A2>N @01>BC ) [14:39] 10=LB5 [14:39] well try dejavu or liberation [14:39] 1C45< 8A:0BL AB0BL8 [14:40] govorun kicked from ##slackware by Alan_Hicks: govorun [14:40] o_o [14:40] that didnt help [14:40] govorun (~mini@89.222.155.187) joined ##slackware. [14:40] All he was doing was talking bullshit about English. [14:40] O =5 ?>=OB=> 2K@078;AO? [14:40] I don't understand, what do you mean talking about English? [14:41] =5 ?>=O; G5AB=> 3>2>@O ) [14:41] [14:41] he said he doesn't understand [14:41] missyrissy, use babelfish or google translate on some of the things he's saying, he's trashing English sort of. :) [14:41] 8A:0; @5?>78B>@88, =0HQ; :>=D5@5=F8N ) [14:42] => 4;O <5=O 2848<> =5 8AB>G=8: 8=D>@<0F88 [14:42] B.5. 8AB>G=8:, => =5 4;O <5=O [14:42] =C 40 ;04=> [14:42] KaMii (~KaMii@unaffiliated/kamii) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:42] fire|bird: Right. My point is, it's not legitimate on-topic stuff and no one even understands it. [14:42] 345 10=? [14:42] Alan_Hicks, exactly :) [14:42] what makes me think he said something about a ban in the last question ._. [14:42] >48= E@5=, GB> 0=3;89A:89, GB> 10= ) [14:42] 4;O <5=O [14:43] 40209B5, AB@5;O9B5 ) [14:43] KaMii (~KaMii@unaffiliated/kamii) joined ##slackware. [14:43] 10< 10< 8 CAQ ) [14:43] ah, I got it working now [14:43] <>6=> >48= 10< ) [14:43] was it the VAH? [14:43] :AB0B8, 70E>48B5 =0 slackware@jabber.ru [14:43] arfon: VAH? [14:43] no the characterset is found in the network list and it requires a disconnect to activate it [14:43] v=b a=a h=n [14:43] lame xchat [14:44] <8=CB:C [14:44] ?>45;NAL >?KB>< [14:44] I would do irssi but then I have to totally redo my terminal settings and im too lazy to mess with that [14:44] arfon: 1=b and h= E [14:45] http://www.7image.ru/pics/0710/50948805.png [14:45] govorun: K =5 <>65< ?><>GL 20<, 5A;8 2K =5 3>2>@8B5 ?>-0=3;89A:8. K 4>;6=K Google 4;O @CAA:>3> Slackware IRC :0=0; 8;8 =0 D>@C<5. [14:45] http://www.7image.ru/pics/0710/50948805.png [14:45] =@028BAO? [14:45] well, since I dont speak Russian, I am going to watch hello kitty's adventures with arfon [14:45] MB> ?2< 22 A<. [14:45] hmm [14:45] my characterset is failing too [14:45] Can we watch episode 23 again??? [14:45] rafu (~rafu@42-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. [14:45] hahaha [14:46] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:46] ) [14:46] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*mini@89.222.155.*' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [14:46] govorun kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [14:46] ah, it was just konsole using non-utf [14:46] ignore is your friend [14:47] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [14:47] It's the right call. This isn't the place for non-English-speaking help. [14:47] that guy has some weird issues [14:47] ##slackware: mode change '-o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:47] Says the girl with the wrong char set [14:47] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-179-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:48] ya, im in Sweden and I have the wrong charset... oops [14:48] edthix (ed@175.137.232.66) left ##slackware. [14:48] ja-ah ? [14:48] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*mini@89.222.155.*' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [14:48] Let him come back if he uses english [14:48] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [14:49] Hard to see if he is a spammer if I can't understand a word he writes [14:49] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [14:49] He didn't seem to be spamming anything [14:49] I just caught up with google [14:49] how would you judge a spammer if he spouted nonsense in English ? 5 lines ? [14:49] alienBOB: He did post a screenshot of his box running Slackware, so I doubt he's a spammer, but he wasn't asking any questions or trying to help anyone, just bitching about the channel being English only. [14:50] Alan_Hicks: that screenshot was the reason I un-banned him [14:50] adaptr: I don't know how you would judge, but I would have to pass the 5 lines of English non-sense through our marketing department for a translation. [14:51] Roin (~florian@p5B2BB5C0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [14:51] we have a few people speaking russian too ;-) [14:52] Alan_Hicks: I mean that if there is a general rule for removing people who only post nonsense in a language you do understand, why not assume they are, and implement the same rule when it is a language nobody understands ? [14:52] However non-equal for non-native english speakers, this is a english-only channel [14:53] Did anyone get what his Slack problem was? [14:53] alienBOB: No, I think it is equal. if you started spouting Dutch I'd ban you too. ;-) [14:53] he didn't say [14:53] Ouwe rukker, die je bent Alan_Hicks [14:54] He started with something like 'many people here, must be some specialists' [14:54] hey, we can't understand your hick speak either [14:54] trud at [14:54] Heh [14:54] hahah street fail [14:54] 'i dun understand dat' [14:54] ##slackware: mode change '+o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:54] alienBOB kicked from ##slackware by Alan_Hicks: alienBOB [14:54] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Yah [14:54] See, equal. :^) [14:54] where's my screen shot button????? [14:54] ##slackware: mode change '-o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:55] kickfest! [14:55] arfon: import :P [14:55] :( [14:55] Y'all witnessed dat redneck! [14:55] yuh, we dun witness dat, bubba [14:55] waow, [14:55] now if you can ban hopsa [14:55] Hmm I confess I do not know how to type in redneck [14:56] ananke++ [14:56] alienBOB: Now see, Suhthun Anglish I c'n tahluhrate. Dat Dutch mess now, dat I jes' c'n't stan'. [14:56] and i'm serious. is hopsa banned yet? [14:56] Redneck is hard, it's more of a verbal flair [14:56] ananke: he's not here at the moment, but yes I wondered why _he_ was not banned recently. I saw the logs [14:56] I think it involves some drinking [14:56] ananke: Who is hopse? [14:56] An anyyoing troll he is [14:56] Alan_Hicks, he was trolling in here and spouting giberrish a few days ago [14:57] Alan_Hicks: hopsa. a new nickname of a long standing troll, magnus_swe. trolling #linux for years, and more recently this channel. few days ago it got really tiresome [14:57] Ah! He is magnus ? [14:57] yes [14:57] can I speak swedish now? [14:58] ananke: I remember that someone else was banned instead, and I did not really see why [14:58] Hm... [14:58] KaMii: sure. [14:58] Probably a mistake. [14:58] We will make you equal too KaMii [14:58] easiest way to spot it: always from telia or that other sweedish isp, and he always promotes his software: gadmin tools [14:58] alienBOB: yeah, i was wondering about that myself [14:58] alienBOB, yeah that guy was feeding him instead of ignoring him [14:58] i dont have telia, they suck [14:58] hurd.. something [14:58] dive: no reason for a ban [14:59] no [14:59] The troll should have been banned and instead, he stayed [15:00] random-jellyfish (~tiberius@unaffiliated/random-jellyfish) joined ##slackware. [15:00] Sometimes you just need to kill innocent bystanders. [15:01] Nothing says you mean business quite like the deaths of civilians. [15:01] (I wasn't the one that pulled the trigger on the wrong guy was I?) [15:01] Pepsi [15:01] :) [15:01] is Alan_Hicks going to kline the whole room? [15:01] the bot was. not sure who was controlling it [15:02] i dont want to be part of your irc cold war nuke fest [15:02] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:02] KaMii: No, just arfon unless he repents of his vile ways and returns to the enlightenment of carbonated beverages, Coca~Cola. [15:02] HA HA!!! [15:02] beer is better [15:02] But liquor is quicker. [15:02] hehehe thats funny [15:03] Reconstituted Orange Juice is..... Nothing rhyms with Orange [15:03] carbonated coffee.. that might be good [15:03] Think I'll stick to beer thanks. [15:03] flange [15:04] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:04] I'm pretty sure I can butcher a word and make it rhymn with "orange". [15:04] lozange [15:05] dive: Thank you Mr. Google. [15:05] Of course: strange [15:05] nope, thought of it :P [15:05] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-179-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:05] Where would I be without you guys???? [15:05] strange and orange don't rhyme [15:05] unless you say one incorrectly [15:05] arfon: in the basement [15:05] Native english speakers would not consider 'strange' but the rest of us do [15:05] arfon: in a bar? [15:05] Arr-range. Stuh-range. Works for me. [15:06] arfon, probably somewhere a lot saner ;) [15:06] And 'goat ranch' ? [15:06] strash (~strash@vlan-157-sliven-72.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Alan_Hicks: you do realize your accent is probably as good as mine? ;-) [15:06] Huh. [15:06] I'd be in boredom-boro at work-city [15:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-6-58.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Although in American, black people tend to pronounce "orange" as "urnj" which is rhymnable. [15:07] arfon: did you buy your tickets yet to see the smurfs movie? [15:07] No... I've been banned from Fandango [15:08] whats Fandango? [15:08] (wow that was a joke killer) [15:09] KaMii: STFW! [15:10] Okay, I have to ask... what is STFW? [15:10] search the fscking web [15:10] oh ah, HA HA! [15:10] but my friend today told me, fuk google, ask me... and I asked her and she said i have no idea [15:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:11] Ignorance is bliss [15:11] KaMii: Your friend should have googled then. [15:11] hehe [15:12] veritos (~veritos@207.155.204.151.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] zaltekk (~zaltekk@frog27.cs.clemson.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:14] How can I open up a jpg file from konsole? [15:15] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: tltstc [15:15] in or out of X? [15:15] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Nick change: fire|bird -> evil|bird [15:16] gimp arfonloveshellokitty.jpg [15:16] Both. [15:16] :( You promised me you wouldn't share that.... [15:16] gwenview is the default association [15:16] Mowah (1000@c-ca89e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:16] gview filename.jpg ? [15:16] lol oh arfon the glitter was from my hair conditioner [15:16] -h [15:17] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [15:17] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:17] KaMii: Nice [15:17] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:18] For non-X situations, isn't/wasn't there a seejpg (or something like that app)? [15:19] there are two [15:20] trying recall the names [15:20] refresh my memory plz [15:20] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [15:20] I always used xv until gview [15:21] fbida is one [15:21] fbi [15:21] that's not default is Slack is it??? [15:22] No, but it does work, or did last time I checked. [15:22] ah [15:22] What was the one that comes with Slack? [15:22] the other is zgv [15:22] There wasn't something like seejpg? [15:23] (I know that name is wrong) [15:23] Action: yesyes still uses xv [15:23] <3 [15:24] which is the *fastest* one that works in X ? [15:24] xv is pretty fast but doesn't support all formats, so use display for those [15:25] by the fbida and zgv are both on slackbuilds.org [15:25] by the way* [15:27] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.70.192) joined ##slackware. [15:27] xv is good. [15:27] I'll check those out, thanks [15:27] But works in X, not out of. [15:27] I was wondering how people who don't use GUI view images in cmdlnes. [15:28] missyrissy: With cat [15:28] FrankD (~frankd@cpe-24-161-1-107.hvc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Haha. [15:28] Oh dear.. [15:28] missyrissy: We go all matrixy. [15:28] (while true; do cat $PIC; done) [15:28] And the image will appear once you attune your mind to the code. [15:28] Incredible, how do I become one of you? [15:29] missyrissy: Write lots of Perl. [15:29] xv: last revision: 1994 ! whahaha [15:29] one of whom ? [15:29] adaptr: Yeah, it's pretty much abandonware. [15:29] doesn't work for png iirc [15:29] dive: png didn't exist in 1994! [15:29] Oh I'm so horrible at perl. [15:30] png wasn't invented yet. [15:30] yeah [15:30] missyrissy: So is everyone else. [15:30] We have two more chapters, the listing directory and manipulating files in it, and functions. Functions is hard in perl. [15:30] even people who are "good" at perl make others want to cry.. [15:31] Alan_Hicks isn't as hardcore as he tries to make himself out to be, though. he can't even use my laptop [15:31] i-i3id3r (~i-i3id3r_@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:31] XD [15:31] Your laptop SUCKS! [15:32] Ooh Alan_Hicks is not a man. [15:32] it got worse today, Alan_Hicks [15:32] He can't impress the lady. [15:32] I might have to retire it [15:32] missyrissy: It has a broken screen! [15:32] Oh.. [15:32] Literally only about two inches of her screen works. [15:32] I can still use it, but it's painful [15:32] http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/1864/screenrip.jpg [15:33] hey! mister, when you failed to use my laptop, it didn't even have the black half! you had plenty of visible screen [15:33] Does it not have an external monitor connection? [15:33] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:33] oh, it does. I just don't have a monitor to hook up to it. I might get one for it [15:33] raela: If it was a horse, I'd've shot it. [15:34] yesyes (yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [15:34] Alan_Hicks: I've been told to take it behind the barn already, before it got this bad :/ [15:34] raela, would have sequenced it if it was a horse. [15:34] Hey where do you guys live anyway? I wouldn't mind meeting up for a cup of water or something (I don't drink coffee). [15:34] at least say juice or hot chocolate, damn [15:34] xD!!! [15:34] I'm in upstate new york [15:34] Monitors are cheap, CRTs are pretty much free... [15:34] I met Alan_Hicks down in south carolina at SELF, though [15:35] arfon: I have a newer laptop with a working screen - I take the older one to work with me cause I figure no one should want to steal it, and it's okay if it gets dinged up [15:35] )) <> (( [15:35] LOL [15:35] VNC ito it raela [15:36] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Do what I do, plug a 3g modem in it, bluetooth into a console port, lock it in your desk, browse at work :) [15:36] er, ssh works well enough. I've been sshing into the newer one.. I'll figure out something with the older [15:37] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:37] Nick change: |CtrlAltCa| -> CtrlAltCa [15:37] zaltekk (~zaltekk@92.241.190.61) joined ##slackware. [15:37] raela: or swap the laptop screens :P [15:37] That's no fun [15:38] Hm. [15:38] adrien: different models means I can't though, right? [15:38] ALright. I see now. [15:38] raela: means you _might_ [15:38] adrien: my brother had a dead toshiba satellite, but he ended up not switching the screens cause he wasn't sure if it'd work [15:39] raela: nothing bad can happen [15:39] adrien: then he was lazy [15:39] at worse it doesn't fit or you can't plug the cables [15:39] Action: adrien hands raela a stoll [15:39] stool* [15:39] I'll text him [15:39] hit him with it :-) [15:40] Do you guys know of a good rss? I have two, a C and a Slackware rss. Any others? [15:41] a feed or a reader? [15:41] No I mean like this - http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Cprogrammingcom [15:41] I like Slashdot's [15:41] That's for C. There is a security one for Slackware. [15:41] Slashdot is kinda overrated.... [15:41] says you [15:41] missyrissy: LWN, undeadly.org [15:41] Action: adrien simply gets the slackware updates posted on irc :P [15:41] I had digg and rededit but I got tired of the bickering [15:42] reddit is good as long as you don't read the comments :P [15:42] Here is the Slackware one - http://dev.slackware.it/rss/slackware-security.xml [15:42] Both got WAY too political for me [15:42] I want nerd-news, not political bickering [15:43] arfon: LWN [15:43] I also like hack-a-day, indestructibles.... and the Make magazine one [15:43] arfon: /r/{technology,opensource,programming,linux,vim} <- some of the ones I follow [15:43] What's LWM? [15:44] LWN [15:44] LWN. Linux Weekly News. [15:44] lwn.net [15:44] oh yes and 4chan.... [15:44] NOT [15:44] http://www.osnews.com/ [15:44] Hm I have to wonder. [15:44] Thanks Alan_Hicks I'll take a look [15:44] http://www.linuxjournal.com/ [15:44] How about some computer science ones? [15:45] I have the LJ [15:45] Newscientist [15:45] (but they are slow with new posts) [15:45] Newscientist is alright. [15:45] Not that interesting. [15:45] I have a really really interesting one - http://www.maa.org/rss/rss_tourist.xml [15:45] MATH! [15:46] says you! I just l;earned that Estine was smoking crack from newscientist today... [15:46] Einstein [15:46] Not surprising. [15:46] asarch (~asarch@187.132.140.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:46] Apparently, the Laws Of Physics are more of a suggestion. [15:47] planet.ocamlcore.org? [15:47] Action: adrien ducks [15:47] For the desktop rss, do you guys combine all of the rss into one or have one widget per rss? [15:47] [looks at raela ] [15:47] arfon: what? [15:48] <---uses snownews in console and igoggle in X [15:48] Math? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5JYg1vDAY [15:48] raela: read adrien's comment above [15:48] do people still use newsgroups [15:48] arfon: still not getting it [15:49] Your favorite language... ocaml [15:49] slackware comes with snownews :D [15:49] Action: dustybin feels excited [15:50] comes with xsnow too =) [15:50] xeyes are fascinating [15:51] xroach still included? [15:51] /usr/bin/xroach [15:51] yep [15:51] Nice [15:51] yeah, but needs to config it to slow it down [15:52] xcuckoo segfaults immediately however [15:52] adrien: xcuckoo: No window named "TWM Icon Manager" <- nope [15:52] does not segfault immediately. [15:53] eviljames: here, it do, segfaults in libX11.so.6 [15:54] http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php [15:54] eviljames: 32bit? [15:55] adrien: 64. [15:55] eviljames: how did you get that message? simply running it or gdb or strace? [15:56] adrien: I just ran xcuckoo, it worked (that is, no segfault) but I'm not using twm. [15:56] here, it fails immediately, but which version are you on? [15:57] -current [15:57] artvdroid (~androirc@p-1.p1.254.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] AndroUser2 (~androirc@p-1.p1.254.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] AndroUser2 (~androirc@p-1.p1.254.warwick.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:57] proprietary graphic drivers? don't they replace libX11.so? (I don't know, that's one reason I'm staying away from these drivers: nothing messes with my files) [15:58] no, they probably only change the opengl-related ones [15:58] nope [15:58] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-6-58.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:58] right [15:58] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-6-58.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:58] artvdroid (~androirc@p-1.p1.254.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:58] now I don't even think about it =) [15:58] artvdroid (~androirc@56.sub-97-168-202.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] artvdroid (~androirc@56.sub-97-168-202.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:59] nvidia seems to push very hard to remove all file conflicts [15:59] ... finally ... [15:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [15:59] I guess it's a nightmare to maintain [16:00] plus it makes their driver much bigger [16:00] probably, yeah [16:00] maybe that one day I'll be able to boot using nouveu or nvidia as I wish [16:00] (although, that day, nouveau might well fit all my needs) [16:01] likely :) [16:02] Bbl. [16:02] missyrissy (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: missyrissy [16:04] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-100-38.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:10] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.115.72) joined ##slackware. [16:11] does anyone know how to set the opacity of google-chrome in KDE? [16:11] i usually right click on the title bar to do so, but you don't get the system menu with chrome [16:12] clicking on it in the taskmanager widget on the bottom panel doesn't show the option [16:13] or even if it would be possible to set all windows to by default have a certain opacity setting [16:13] I guess you'd have to start by clicking "use system titel bar and borders" [16:13] then you can reach the window menu [16:13] adaptr: still can't. [16:13] i alreayd tried. it just makes the minimize, maximize, and close buttons disappear [16:13] but i still get the chrome title bar [16:14] also, i lose the ability to resize the window [16:14] hrm it's a conundrum [16:15] i was hoping that like with most things in kde there are other ways to do it [16:15] but i can't find another way [16:17] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:18] zaltekk: don't suppose Alt-F3 gives you the menu. [16:18] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [16:18] works for me [16:19] (but no opacity, no desktop effects enabled) [16:19] ut: yes, that does. thank you [16:20] has someone tried to run a mail server on slackware? [16:20] is it extremely difficult ? [16:20] countless people have done so [16:20] it is no more difficult than with any other distro [16:20] I don't use chrom* but it might not be very cooperative here (pretty much like firefox) [16:20] email on slackware, why thats unpossible [16:20] zaltekk i never had run a mail server ,so i won`t be able to compare [16:20] I still put stamps on my messages [16:21] is it extremely tough or just a little bit complicated ? [16:21] that all depends on your skill level and experience [16:21] and based on your questions, i'd say it would be tough [16:21] I have been running a mailserver on Slackware (at home as well) for ages [16:22] Skywise -skill level and experience = below "0" [16:22] there ya go [16:22] ok i will try to set a mail server tomorrow [16:22] does slack has something built-in for a mail server? [16:22] you can setup a server as mta easily, but as far as accepting email, thats more technical [16:23] well, you know theres more then 1 kind of server [16:23] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu expired. [16:23] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:23] Slackware comes with a simple IMAP server [16:23] if you're talking about mailboxes, thats one thing, if you're talking about sending mail thats another [16:23] Skywise -something like a mailbox [16:23] a limited one [16:23] Sending mail - Slackware comes with sendmail for that [16:23] I'm running a mail server on Slack right now [16:23] arfon what software do you use [16:24] setting up mailboxes basically requires a shell account for each user [16:24] i use sendmail for transmissions, and cyrus for mailboxes [16:24] I wrote my own... E-mail server apps are disasters. [16:24] hehehe [16:24] cyrus allows virtual users [16:24] arfon have you ever tested www.exim.org ? [16:24] It's FRIGGIN TEXT! why is it so hard to configure????? [16:24] i read a book -offering to test it [16:25] Yes strash [16:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:25] is it ok on slack ? [16:25] its hard to configure because its very flexible [16:25] I had it running okay years ago.... [16:25] good [16:25] nc -p 25 | mail.google.com [16:25] my own mail servorz [16:25] i will try to set it up tomorrow and i will join the channel after that [16:25] I think Postfix is probably the best comprimise [16:25] and then once you setup your mailboxes then you gotta setup your authentication [16:26] i think you should do more research in to what is typically involved [16:26] postfix isn't a compromise - it's a lifelong dedication! (it'll take you that long to fully understand it, like Buddhism) [16:26] They are ALL lifetime dedications.... :( [16:26] That's why I gave up on them [16:26] you're gonna have to understand what you're trying to do before you can do it [16:26] i guessed so [16:27] but i won`t have enough time to do it today... [16:27] setting email for a domain is trivial for me [16:27] hanks for the answers guys [16:27] strash: It's a b!tch.... [16:27] but even if i didn't know how, i still understand the terms and concepts [16:27] arfon if you don`t f!ck the bitch ,she will never change [16:28] I went with a cheaper ho [16:28] you also have to setup your dns appropriately [16:28] and make your certs [16:28] strash (~strash@vlan-157-sliven-72.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:28] SPF [16:28] blech [16:28] he'll never get it done [16:28] :) [16:29] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] LUGs are your friends [16:29] i like forums and maillists [16:30] if you know how to search, you can find the fix to just about anything [16:30] Eh, they aren't as useful as finding a REALLY socially stunted nerd and telling him "It can't be done"> [16:30] Action: adaptr pulls the plug on google and observes the known universe spiralling into chaos [16:30] i stopped trying to invent fixes awhile ago [16:31] adaptr: It can't be done... [16:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:31] i'll tweak things, but i don't write much from scratch at all anymore [16:31] arfon: how on Earth is that relevant [16:31] It just felt right :) [16:32] i think the last thing i wrote was an lsb script for bind for HA [16:32] arfon: it can't be done [16:32] i couldn't believe there already wasn't one out there [16:32] Oh yeah.... arfon gets out his Perl For Dummies book.... [16:33] rafu (rafu@42-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left ##slackware. [16:33] arfon: no perl allowed [16:33] You have disarmed me nyRednek [16:34] arfon: then again, for the old school nerds(those who remember 70s era home computers), we'd write it in basic [16:34] I still have my TRSDOS! [16:35] arfon: i'm talking *before* trsdos [16:35] Before TRSDOS, I did just a little machine code..... [16:36] zx spectrum ftw [16:36] RCA COSMAC FTW! [16:36] CoCo BASIC [16:36] microsoft basic 2.0 [16:36] apple had basic and integer basic [16:36] BE? (Before Evil?) [16:36] BasicO9 on OS-9 ftw! [16:37] alphageek: yeah, same era/hardware [16:37] OwlWare [16:37] Wait, TRSDOS was before CoCo [16:37] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] arfon: yeah, you're right, my bad [16:37] I think I've effed my system up... [16:38] yeah, TRSDOS was for those bigass grey monstrosity machines [16:38] and you can't forget the most iconic pc of all time... [16:38] the commodore 64 [16:38] Comodore ? [16:38] bah [16:38] bah [16:38] C= [16:38] the apple ruled [16:38] it outsold every pc in the history of the business [16:38] The ORIGINAL comodore was better [16:38] apple had floppies [16:38] I'm getting this error whenever I try to compile anything: /glibc-tmp-7b993e89bc9528972eb5f8bcc15604d0/glibc-2.11.1/csu/../sysdeps/x86_64/elf/start.S:109: undefined reference to `main' [16:38] its cause they were cheap, not cause they were good [16:39] er... rather, when I try to link, I mean. [16:39] Skywise: "quantity has a quality of its own" --josef stalin [16:39] when schools looked at getting computers, commodores and trs80s were the popular choice [16:39] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-22-173.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] usr13 (~te@adsl-68-94-211-234.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] but if you had the money, you got an apple [16:39] weeee! i've been back to work for 6hrs and i already wanna quit [16:39] we had tandy's at ours, the built-in screen made them superior (according to somebody, anyway) [16:40] Comodore PET! that was the name [16:40] adaptr: saved the cost of an RGB monitor [16:40] but you could always connect an apple to a tv, it had a composite output [16:41] hmm. so i have lvm and luks setup with ext4 and i want to reduce the size of my partition... [16:41] anyone on 13.1 using krb5 with samba? [16:41] i believe i need resize2fs, lvresize, pvresize [16:41] Skywise: same with the tandy coco...iirc, a commodore could too [16:41] arfon, wasn't Pet a company of its own? Seem to recall having a pet in my old school. [16:41] I've even tried uninstalling the multilib and compat32 stuff and reinstalling the original 64 bit packages, still didn't work. I rebooted and it still didn't work. [16:41] but i'm not sure how luks will affect the situation [16:42] MarkT-: Just a thought, did you try and re-install the glibc packages? [16:42] MarkT-: What are you trying to do? [16:42] nvrmnd, you beat me to it [16:42] At the moment, I'm just trying to get my system back to a normal state. [16:42] MarkT-: Guess I should have said; What are you trying to fix? [16:42] MarkT-: slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all && slackpkg clean-system [16:43] I can't remember that dive, you're probably correct like the Amiga was a seperate comapny... [16:43] zaltekk, i think you have the order of those wrong... [16:43] zaltekk: I have a lot of packages on my system that aren't part of the default slackware.... [16:43] but that's just my opinion [16:43] I'm getting this error whenever I try to compile and link anything: /glibc-tmp-7b993e89bc9528972eb5f8bcc15604d0/glibc-2.11.1/csu/../sysdeps/x86_64/elf/start.S:109: undefined reference to `main' [16:44] MarkT-: then just deselect the ones you don't want ot remove when clean-system runs [16:44] Necos: upgrade-all and clean-system can't be affected by order; they work on different packages [16:44] nyRednek: by only having black and white, you mean ? :P [16:45] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-179-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] adaptr: the tandy coco was color on a tv...don't remember about the commodore [16:45] PET was BW, VIC, 64 and Amiga were color [16:45] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrr [16:46] nyRednek: we just had the TRS-80s [16:46] the amiga should of been the pc, it was technically better but commordore were idiots [16:46] I forgot the 128 [16:46] any input on resizing a LUKS-encrypted partition? [16:46] zaltech: all the multilib and compat-32 files are already removed. [16:46] arfon: i know the 64 was color, but not sure if it put out a color composite signal [16:46] tsccof (~tsccof@201-15-190-76.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:47] they didn't have developer tool kits or even discounts [16:47] Had to have. [16:47] nyRednek: C64 ? AFAIk you could only plug that into the antenna port of a TV [16:47] feedthrough signal, like videorecorders [16:47] MarkT-: then maybe upgradepkg --reinstall the gcc/glibc stuff [16:47] tsccof (~tsccof@201-15-190-76.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:47] adaptr: ok, i forget on that one...owned tandy ones more than commodores [16:47] adaptr: i thought it had an rgb output [16:48] zaltekk: don't forget --install-new (that is, if he removed gcc/glibc entirely) [16:48] i still have my apple //c [16:48] adaptr: i know the cocos had rgb output as well as antenna out [16:48] 1st time I ever saw RGB was on an IBM PC [16:48] adaptr: the 80 column output required rgb [16:48] eviljames: he says he didn't. [16:49] zaltekk: ah, just something I noticed on my way out the door [16:49] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:49] er... can I use slackpkg to download and install them, or do I need to do this manually? [16:50] you can use slackpkg [16:50] okay...so i *think* i know how to properly do all this [16:50] okay... this will take a few minutes to do.... [16:50] DURgod (~DURgod@75-133-62-57.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [16:51] artvdroid (~androirc@230.sub-97-249-50.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Action: MarkT- grumbles. [16:51] but i'm going to backup all of my data first, just in case i'm wrong :P [16:51] random-jellyfish (~tiberius@unaffiliated/random-jellyfish) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:51] lol [16:51] If I can get my system working again, I am not touching multilib with a 100ft pole. [16:51] wuss [16:51] hahaha [16:51] :) [16:52] adaptr: me or MarkT-? :P [16:52] multilib should be fun (tho i only have 32bit on this box) [16:52] guess ! [16:52] well, i used multilib for a while, then decided i just had it installed and never actually used it, so i removed it when i upgraded to -current [16:52] Adding multilib to your box does not cause the "elf/start.S:109: undefined reference to `main'" errors MarkT- [16:52] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-179-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:53] this is about to get interesting [16:53] i'm not 100% sure i'll resize my filesystem, logical volume group, physical volume group, serpent LUKS, and partition all perfectly [16:54] alienBOB: No, it's not... I don't even have multilib on my system anymore. But the problem started when some libraries got updated via slackpkg that _were_ multlib. [16:54] what would cause that alienBOB? [16:54] Necos: some package he forgot to install [16:54] Action: MarkT- sighs. [16:54] No idea which MarkT- - sorry [16:54] How do I find out what package I need? [16:55] he referenced a glibc error, so i'd be guessing that's where it got borked [16:55] See if the file config.log in the source directory gives any clues MarkT- [16:55] source directory for what? [16:55] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:56] okay.... the gcc and glibc native packages are reinstalled. I can't imagine I'd need to reboot here, would I? [16:57] Do it - gets rid of any resident evil in memory [16:58] okay..... brb [16:58] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:58] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:00] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Damn. [17:01] g++ hello_world.cpp -> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.4.4/../../../../lib64/crt1.o: In function `_start': /glibc-tmp-7b993e89bc9528972eb5f8bcc15604d0/glibc-2.11.1/csu/../sysdeps/x86_64/elf/start.S:109: undefined reference to `main' [17:01] something is really effed up here... [17:01] how do I figure out what? [17:02] weird... [17:02] MarkT-: when you say everything you compile generates that error... do you in fact mean, only everything _you_ wrote? [17:02] looks like you have some bad headers / libs around [17:02] No... I mean everything. [17:03] I can't build packages I get from slackbuilds.org either. [17:03] If you grab some software off the Slackware DVD and recompile it, it would cause that same error? [17:03] Hmm [17:03] You definitely have a broken system [17:03] But you knew that [17:03] mark_ (~mark@72.28.42.25) joined ##slackware. [17:03] is there a way to tell tar to not follow links? [17:03] MarkT-: I'm curious: if you call 'g++ -c' instead of 'g++', do you get an error, [17:04] ? [17:04] i want to tar my home directory, but i don't want it to follow the symlinks to my other drive and copy music, videos, etc [17:04] No, adrien. Compiling works. It fails at link time. [17:05] did you do an upgrade or something like that? [17:05] Yeah... [17:05] mount the slackdvd and upgradepkg --reinstall */*? [17:05] and it broke right after? [17:05] MarkT-: can you check if you have the correct libtool package? [17:06] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-218-98.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:06] alienBOB: checking... hold on. [17:06] mark_ (~mark@72.28.42.25) left irc: Client Quit [17:06] and from which version to which? and was it already 64bit? [17:06] y3llow_ (~y3llow@111-240-218-98.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:06] Yes, adrien it was... I was using multilib. [17:07] zaltekk: tar will not follow symlinks, by default [17:07] alienBOB: hmm. i must have something else very large in my home directory then. maybe the ctags i generated for vim [17:07] I apparently have libtool-2.2.6b-x86_64-2 installed. [17:07] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-211-243.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Action: MarkT- sighs. [17:08] MarkT-: that is the Slackware 13.1 package. You do run 13.1? [17:08] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-211-243.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] I do now, yes. [17:08] I had started on 13.0 [17:09] Well it is the same package that's still in -current [17:09] tsuyoi (panda@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu) joined ##slackware. [17:09] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:09] tsuyoi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Congrats, c1az, asshattery just made your ban longer. [17:09] >.> [17:09] Action: MarkT- sighs. [17:09] I'm gonna need to download and reinstall slackware, aren't I? [17:09] MarkT-: you can tryy a upgradepkg --reinstall of that libtool package [17:10] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-192.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:10] Or better a upgradepkg --reinstall of all of the d/ series. That may be enough [17:10] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-6-58.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:10] alienBOB: I just tried that (via slackpkg reinstall). No difference. [17:11] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:12] _RadioHead (~dardan@82.114.94.248) joined ##slackware. [17:13] oh damn.... no seeds for the x64 slackware torrent! [17:14] MarkT-: wait for it.... [17:15] is Okular KDE's default pdf viewr? [17:15] yes [17:15] arfon: it shouldn't take this long to finds seeds, should it? [17:15] hrm, i forget how to get flite working with okular then [17:16] MarkT-: http://taper.alienbase.nl/mirrors/slackware/slackware64-current-iso/slackware64-current-install-dvd.iso is for -current, not 13.1 but it is only 2GB (no sources excluded) and on a gigabit connection. Will be faster than bittorrent [17:17] alienBOB: okay... I'll try it. I generally get pretty good throughput with bittorrent though. [17:18] hmmm... estimated time 90 minutes. [17:19] It's almost as fast as bittorrent, yup. [17:19] I get 3 MB/sec from that server, and it is on a different continent altogether [17:19] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Yeah, it's pretty speedy for just one connection. [17:20] I can get up to about 6Mb on bittorrent if I'm lucky... but generally it's closer to 3 or 4. [17:20] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [17:20] Server plus bandwidth donated to me by a friendly anonymous Slackware user - present in this channel but wants to remain unknown [17:21] jeev? :P [17:21] incognitus (~nema@83.222.191.14) joined ##slackware. [17:21] okay... well it's appreciated, whoever you are. [17:21] hahaha [17:21] ? [17:21] Yeah it allowed me to offer uptodate -current ISOS over the internet [17:22] adrien: jeev doesn't want to remain anonymous - he doesn't understand the concept [17:22] jeev was summoned... oops [17:22] adrien [17:22] jeev: nothing, I just took you for no reason ;p [17:22] yeah... it's giving me about 325K/s right now... pretty close to 3Mb. [17:22] are you a share holder of Valbresso ? [17:22] jeev: never mind adrien [17:22] hahaha [17:22] MarkT-: I get 3 MByte/sec here in the netherlands [17:22] Not Mbit [17:23] Wow! [17:23] My ISP doesn't serve me that fast. [17:23] has 7MB/s, hehe. NL ftw! :) [17:23] im suppose to have 10 up and down, but i have never even seen 3 [17:23] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:24] artvdroid (~androirc@230.sub-97-249-50.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [17:24] I top out at about 6Mb or so... [17:24] I can never get a server to give me that much bandwidth [17:24] alienBOB, you said [17:24] no sources excluded [17:24] either that or my system is setup wrong and its limiting me somehwere [17:24] i think you meant, no sources, they're excluded? [17:24] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:24] Action: alienBOB 60 Mbit/sec down and 12 Mbit/sec up [17:24] well, it's not filling my pipe right now... [17:24] jeev: yes, the sources are excluded/ [17:25] sorta wish it was... it would be more than half done by now. [17:25] veritos (veritos@207.155.204.151.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:25] but i doubt its my system, I can transfer stuff over my home network really fast [17:25] yeah alienBOB has fibre damn near all the way to the nic. [17:25] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [17:25] usr13 (~te@adsl-68-94-211-234.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:25] Action: KaMii is on fiber [17:25] I could get cheap 100/20 or 100/50 if only the building was wired up with fiber ='( [17:25] metamucil? [17:27] usr13 (~te@adsl-68-94-194-248.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] KaMii: Have you tried running a speed test? [17:27] yes, speed tests shows im at 10 up and down [17:28] i was testing speedtest.net at home... according to them, i had 30Mbps >.> [17:28] but i never got any server or any torrent to give me more than 1.5 [17:28] necos, whos' your is [17:28] isp [17:28] Are you suffering from kiloBITs vs kiloBYTES? [17:29] probably... remember we had this argument many times before and we agreed never to bring it up again, because I got devoiced [17:29] 1.5kBytes = 12kBits [17:29] time warner [17:30] Oh yeah [17:30] 10 megabits down ping 4ms [17:30] and my speedtest result was 30 megabits/s [17:30] The good thing about having a bad memory is repeated history seems new.... [17:30] 10 Mb/s up [17:31] thats what speedtest.net just said [17:31] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [17:31] KaMii: Kill the Abba torrent then re-run [17:31] fun stuff [17:31] Abba hahah, sorry but I dont really listen to them [17:32] so, if I do have 10 up and down, why do I never see more than 1.5? [17:32] throttling? [17:32] is there some setting somewhere on my system or router that is limiting me? [17:33] maybe it's your ISP [17:33] or does my isp just lie to me? [17:33] KaMii: if you're too stoned to know the difference, why are YOU continually bringing it up agin [17:33] IF speed tests you at 10, you're getting 10 [17:33] Are your parents throttling you KaMii [17:33] kgs (~kgs@unaffiliated/kgs) joined ##slackware. [17:33] That doesn't mean that the server that's sending you data is sending 10.... [17:33] lol [17:33] Or an ISP often throttles BT traffic [17:33] HA HA!!! Netnanny FTW [17:34] no my parents are not throttling me, I pay for my own internet [17:34] lol [17:34] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:35] hmmm... my download speed has halved... I'm still close to 90 minutes from being done. [17:35] idk, not sure why I pay for 10 when I only see 1.5 I should have just bought 3 [17:36] clavius (~James@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:36] I got amazing 106kbytes/s. wow [17:37] gah.... I'm only getting 90K/s now! [17:38] Nick change: Giggs -> ZerTux [17:38] good were the times we used radio packet [17:39] KaMii, set a wireless password on your network and stop the people leeching it [17:39] MarkT-: I am getting 1.5 MByte/sec on that ISO right now [17:39] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:39] guax (~guax@notebook5.wireless.ufsc.br) joined ##slackware. [17:39] guax (~guax@notebook5.wireless.ufsc.br) left irc: Changing host [17:39] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [17:39] jeev: my wifi is encrypted and no one is on it [17:40] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.107.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:40] well, it's not because my pipe is full... must be some other system upline from my isp. [17:42] hmmm... traceroute to that system fails on my system. It gets as far as 10 hops and then everything else is just *'s... [17:45] it goes for me [17:45] whos your isp [17:45] shaw [17:46] when I traceroute to taper.alienbase.nl, the last line with data that I see is 10 te-5-5.rtr2.avl1.netriplex.com (67.23.161.254) 128.108 ms 120.097 ms 120.942 ms [17:47] everything after that is *'s... no packets coming back at all. [17:47] what happened to KTTSD? [17:48] Speaking of speeds, slashdot just posted a story of a power company in TN offerin 1G speeds soon. [17:48] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:48] monstro (1000@187.10.68.249) joined ##slackware. [17:48] MarkT-: I run a firewall on that box. Your traceroute will be affected by that [17:48] MarkT-, perhaps the mirror is filtering [17:48] arfon, i'm moving to TN [17:48] Howto I use the tagfile of the alien ? [17:48] arfon, i'll get a 10 bedroom mansion [17:48] or 100 [17:49] hmmm.... well, I just tried doing a slackpkg reinstall for all packages in the d/ series... it didn't fix the problem. [17:50] frk (~jcn@189.58.221.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Hi all, [17:51] ridout (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:51] My computer is really, realy, really badly messed up... [17:51] Heck, I might move to TN for that ! [17:51] I can forgoe dental-work for a few years [17:51] (JK all you Tennessee-ians) [17:52] monstro: please re-phrase your question so that we can understand what you try to tell us [17:53] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:53] I just wish there was a way to fix this without basically reinstalling slackware from scratch [17:53] ok i cannot figure out how to get flite to work inside of KDE, I remember I use to have to start KTTSD then it would work, but I canot find KTTSD anywhere.... is it gone from KDE 4.4.3? Flite works in konsole, but I also want it in KDE like Okular [17:54] alienBOB, I need create tagfile, I know how to use the script: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/tagfile_generator.sh [17:54] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.75.149) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:54] usr13 (~te@adsl-68-94-194-248.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:54] alienBOB, understand? [17:56] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [17:56] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.225.206) joined ##slackware. [17:56] egad! I just noticed I have a May 2010 slackware ISO in my home folder! [17:57] alienBOB, ? [17:57] monstro: that tagfile_generator script creates tagfiles based on the Slackware packages you have installed on your computer [17:58] You guys have a good night.... [17:58] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.87) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:58] monstro: Try running the script with the parameter "-h" - it will show some help text [17:59] The script will check your /var/log/packages directory and will use a Slackware package tree (your own local mirror, or a mounted DVD) to generate tagfiles [18:00] alienBOB, see output: [18:00] Reducer (~done@g230244202.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:00] hello [18:01] alienBOB, http://pastebin.com/7XDYRtgn [18:01] i need slackware 64bit but for cd-rw's, i have enough, thx! [18:01] kwabbles (~mike@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [18:02] nicola`` (~nicola@dynamic-adsl-78-15-207-28.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [18:02] kwabbles (~mike@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:03] just a link would be nice :-) [18:03] alienBOB, see ? [18:03] Reducer: Slackware 64-bit only available as a DVD [18:03] damn [18:03] not even a small one to pimp? [18:04] _RadioHead (~dardan@82.114.94.248) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:04] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Reducer: you can create CDROM ISOs yourself if you want [18:04] from a dvd iso? [18:04] how [18:04] monstro: do you actually have the directory /home/ftp/pub/Linux/Slackware/slackware-current/ on your computer? [18:05] alienBOB, [18:05] yes [18:05] Reducer: from a Slackware release tree (could be a mounted DVD) you can create CDROM ISOs [18:05] What are the best plugins to sync firefox's bookmarks? [18:05] i'll mirror if possible [18:06] hm damn, ok i understand this, but what about the boot thing? [18:06] Reducer: this script: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [18:06] :D [18:06] that would be alright [18:06] And here is some information about the use of that script: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/local-slackware-mirror/ [18:07] If I install everything from D and L, is there anything else that could cause this problem? [18:07] but i have no linux now on this machine [18:07] It's not just for slackware-current... it will work just as well for 13.1 [18:07] Reducer: that makes it harder [18:07] lol [18:07] it's an reduced xp now [18:07] a new pc [18:07] You can try burning my mini ISO (without any package) and then do a http install [18:07] but i like that slack [18:07] hm.. how could i trust you? [18:07] :D [18:08] http://slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/13.1/ [18:08] Reducer: look at the URL... [18:08] ok man, i'll thank you and reading.. [18:08] kwabbles (~mike@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] alienBOB, the script of tagfiles can woks in slackware 12.2 ? [18:10] *works [18:11] No idea. Try running "sh -x tagfile_generator.sh 2>&1 | tee log.txt" and then post that log.txt on a pastebin server so I can have a look [18:12] 27 MB, is there something i should have to know alienBOB? [18:13] nickcompleter goes to trash (so many aliens here) [18:14] awesome, i didn't kill my installation [18:14] Necos: hot armenian girl divorce court LOL listen to the guy (remix) "cant a man get a chop??" http://www.brianphickey.com/blog/?p=3953 [18:14] kwabbles (~mike@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: kwabbles has no reason [18:14] resized the fs, lv, pv, etc [18:15] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-170.viapori.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:15] alienBOB, : [18:15] alienBOB, http://pastebin.com/bCj6RsFK [18:15] clavius (~James@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Reducer: need to know what? [18:15] nicola`` (nicola@dynamic-adsl-78-15-207-28.clienti.tiscali.it) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [18:16] hmm. but i do think i failed to use cryptsetup to change the luks size [18:17] although my system is (seemingly) okay at the moment [18:17] monstro: and what if you run it as "bash ./tagfile_generator.sh" ? [18:17] was that a very bad mistake? =/ [18:18] alienBOB, no [18:18] monstro: is that Slackware 12.2 or some Slackware derivate? [18:18] I run it as ./tagfile... [18:18] alienBOB, is the Slackware 12.2 [18:18] monstro: try running it this time, as "bash ./tagfile_generator.sh" [18:18] some problem [18:19] same problem [18:19] burned [18:20] monstro: well then the script does not work on your Slackware 12.2. I have no 12.2 to test it with [18:20] Reducer (~done@g230244202.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:21] alienBOB, Hi works which slackware ? [18:21] in which slackware version i need? [18:22] monstro: I have no idea why it does not work on your system. It should work on 12.2, I do not see where it can fail [18:23] alienBOB, hm, okay! thanks (; [18:23] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [18:26] Reducer (~done@g230244202.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:27] hello again, just one question, what's about the BELKIN G Wireless USB Adapter on the small disk, could i use the install alienBOB? [18:28] it isn't getting dirname [18:28] sorry, i bought that cheap shite today :/ [18:28] and this pc, too. (290 €) [18:29] Reducer: Slackware network installation does not support wireless [18:29] Wireless will work on the installed system [18:30] ok i have to push my tv and my station [18:30] but then it will work? [18:30] I have no crystal ball [18:30] lol! [18:30] :D [18:31] Most network cards will be recognized by the Slackware installer [18:32] ZerTux (~Giggs@li126-61.members.linode.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:32] i hope linux knows the cheap shite.. [18:32] belin "G" wireless usb adapter [18:32] chipset ? [18:33] give me a second [18:33] i'll reboot to see "lsusb" [18:33] somebody have a slackware template for minimal system install? minimal i mean really minimal, just the required for the system to work [18:33] on the manuals is nothing to see about that [18:33] do you haz windows? [18:33] Action: Reducer is looking for a knoppix or what ever linux [18:34] at the moment a reduced xp yes! [18:34] the name of the windows driver will tell you the chipset it uses [18:34] hr hr [18:35] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [18:37] USB\VID_050D&PID.. you mean that? [18:37] monstro (1000@187.10.68.249) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:38] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [18:38] no, something like blah.sys [18:38] with VEN_ID and DEV_ID, it'd be enough actually [18:38] hmmm, are the foomatic packages still outside of slackwre? besides the filters [18:38] Reducer, did this ship with a driver CD? you can probably look in there [18:39] pleaseee... somebody send me a link with new 2.6.35.x kernel ? [18:39] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [18:39] yes ship with drivers for xp/vista shite.. [18:39] 10 € ;) [18:39] look for xyz.sys [18:39] monstro: [18:39] 2.6.35 .txz packages [18:39] Ah, he quit [18:39] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:40] wojtex (~wojciech@abnt237.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:40] PiterPunk: lol... ping [18:40] pong! [18:40] Tell monstro if he returns, that I tested tagfile_generator.sh on Slackware 12.2 and it works here. So, his system is probably not a true Slackware 12.2 [18:41] PiterPunk: do you have any of 2.6.35.x kernel .txz package to me ? [18:42] alienBOB: lol [18:43] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.198.245.192) joined ##slackware. [18:43] vldmr: it does not exist [18:43] save alienBOB !! [18:43] xD [18:43] ? [18:44] ...? [18:44] http://erl.nfshost.com/images/Dobbs.gif - lol [18:44] abstradelic / vldmr are you drunk? [18:44] Action: Reducer is getting/making some fresh coffee.. [18:44] np... just a little funny [18:44] xD [18:44] hello [18:44] incognitus (nema@83.222.191.14) left ##slackware. [18:45] for what version of linux is this patch: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/168822/ [18:46] i sent an e-mail to the maintainer (Chris Wilson) but he don't answered. [18:47] ph8 (ph8@85.234.155.91) joined ##slackware. [18:47] Okay... I've got a slackware-current iso mounted... [18:49] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:50] hmmm... is there some way I can do this without having to burn a dvd? [18:50] MarkT-: several [18:50] k.. I've some coffee [18:51] Yerba Mate is better than coffee [18:51] MarkT-: Slackware can install from the ISO (mounted or not) if the installer has access to it on a local disk [18:51] drink yerba [18:51] is that like red bull? [18:52] no [18:52] yerba mate is natural [18:52] what's the command for it? [18:52] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] MarkT-, mount -o loop [18:53] hi GArik_;-) [18:53] I've already mounted the iso, garik. [18:53] ? [18:53] hi, wojtex ) [18:53] I'm wondering how to start the slackware setup program.... I can't remember the command for that. [18:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:53] hm [18:53] setup [18:54] nobody knows how to help me? :-( [18:54] it will not boot this way [18:54] Action: Reducer is pushing tv & station 15 meter (don't know what about other..) [18:54] that's what I had thought, mancha... but I can't seem to find that file. [18:54] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:55] MarkT-: first, partition your drive. Use fdisk or cfdisk. Then run: setup [18:55] And remember the directory where you mounted the ISO [18:55] alienBOB: I don't want to repartition the drive ! This is a live system! [18:55] where i can get slack current ISO? [18:56] MarkT-: a live system and you want to install Slackware on it? [18:56] Android (~done@g230244202.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Yes, alienBOB. [18:56] OK [18:56] because I can't figure out which package on my system is broken [18:56] wojtex: http://taper.alienbase.nl/mirrors/slackware/ has ISO images [18:56] wojtex, ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso [18:57] Nick change: Android -> Guest46402 [18:57] otherwise I would just reinstall that one. [18:57] Reducer (~done@g230244202.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:57] why only 1.8G? [18:57] Nick change: Guest46402 -> Reducer [18:57] wojtex: how big do you think it should be? [18:57] wojtex: because I leave the sources out [18:58] Otherwise it would be over 4 GB... too big to download [18:58] MarkT-: about 4gb:0 [18:58] alienBOB: ok i understank [18:58] understand [18:58] that's be one packed DVD, wojtex [18:58] most iso's don't actually fill the device [18:58] some do [18:59] how often this current-iso is upgraded [18:59] The slackware-current DVD ISO images at http://taper.alienbase.nl/mirrors/slackware/ are re-generated after every update to Slackware's ChangeLog.txt [18:59] oooo [18:59] good, tahnks!!! [18:59] I have a script that checks 4 times a day for updates [18:59] good to know! [19:00] Mirror server has a gigabit Internet uplink [19:00] Reducer (~done@g230244202.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:00] I tried reinstalling everything in the d/ folder... it didn't fix the issue. [19:01] I guess your problems are broader then [19:01] Try the glibc packages too MarkT- [19:01] There's a few in "a" and some in "l" [19:04] okay.... done. [19:05] my test app still isn't linking... same error. [19:05] Action: MarkT- sighs. [19:06] I'm gonna hafta burn a dvd, aren't I? [19:07] you probably should have done that some hours ago... >.> [19:07] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] well, I only just finished downloading the iso about half an hour ago [19:08] I was rather hoping I could just do it with a mounted ISO image [19:08] You don't have to burn the DVD [19:09] If you can access the ISO inside the installer's environment then you do not have to burn that DVD [19:09] okay [19:09] Slackware's installer will even mount the ISO for you if you give it the directory where that ISO lives [19:09] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [19:10] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu expired. [19:10] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:10] what is slackware's installer called? [19:11] It has no name. It is what you end up in when you boot from that DVD [19:11] Okay, but to boot from it, wouldn't I need to burn it? [19:12] wojtex (~wojciech@abnt237.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:12] wojtex (~wojciech@abok186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:12] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [19:12] anyone have an idea on how to clone bob's slackbuild repo without grabbing sources and binary packages [19:13] MarkT-, you can boot from dvd with older slackware release or from usb stick [19:14] nachox (~Ignacio@242-196-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:16] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:16] okay... without already having a slackware dvd on hand, can I do this without burning a new DVD? [19:17] you have a usb stick? [19:18] Not handy. [19:18] then you could download the credit-card sized cd and burn that... [19:19] brb [19:19] which is sort of what I was saying in the first place.... that I was going to have to burn it. [19:19] I've already downloaded it, I had just rather hoped there was a way to run it without having to reboot first. [19:21] I'll just burn a dvd already... the only reason I've gone this long is because I was being told I didn't have to do that. [19:22] Yes, you don't have to [19:22] You're still booted from that mini ISO? [19:22] And the big DVD ISO is on a local hard drive partition? [19:23] Then mount that partition somewhere (NOT below /mnt ! Create some random directory in the root) [19:23] No... I'm booted on a live system. [19:23] And then run the program "setup" and later on, select "install from a pre-mounted partition" [19:23] MarkT-: I thought you had that mini ISO... was that someone else? [19:23] OK then you have to reboot [19:24] It might have been someone else, yes... [19:24] okay, that's what I thought... yeah. [19:25] darkrho (~darkrho@84.39.107.190.dyn.supernet.com.bo) joined ##slackware. [19:25] okay... burning the dvd now. [19:26] single layer is about .15 in bulk these days...you might have to work overtime! [19:29] gabriel (1000@190.162.34.84) joined ##slackware. [19:30] okay.... if this doesn't fix it, I'm hosed. [19:30] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:36] GArik_ (~wesnoth@93-81-226-1.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:37] john_dee (~id@95-29-11-212.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:42] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:43] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:57] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:58] Reducer (~AndroidGT@g230244202.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:58] when did my slackware system get so big :/ [19:58] Hello. [19:59] Ftp or http url for mini cd install please [19:59] Alien [19:59] Thx [20:00] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:00] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] pupit (~p@109-93-232-133.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) joined ##slackware. [20:04] pupit (~p@109-93-232-133.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) left irc: Changing host [20:04] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Damn [20:04] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] mancha: no telling when [20:05] mancha: 3.6, full install, was like 500mb [20:05] GAAAAH! My system is *REALLY* effed up! I completely reinstalled slackware-current overtop of my existing slackware system and gcc's still giving me a link error! [20:06] my full install was reasonable, but i have installed gazillion extra stuff and so forth. [20:06] pastebin the error [20:06] why did you install over the top? [20:06] g++ hello_world.cpp -> /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.4.4/../../../../lib64/crt1.o: In function `_start': /glibc-tmp-7b993e89bc9528972eb5f8bcc15604d0/glibc-2.11.1/csu/../sysdeps/x86_64/elf/start.S:109: undefined reference to `main' [20:06] MarkT-: how about you install 13.1, and clean your / partition in the process? [20:07] are both glibc and gcc from -current? [20:07] nyRednek: I don't have a spare hard drive to back up that much data to. [20:07] Yes... EVERYTHING is current. [20:07] MarkT-: and you didn't separate your / and /home partitions? [20:07] how much stuff do you have in your /home directory? thats probably all you need to backup [20:07] why is it referencing a glibc build dir/ [20:07] ridout (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:07] I did a full reinstall.... I just didn't wipe out the existing content. [20:08] yes / and /home are on separate partitions. [20:09] so format / and reinstall fresh [20:09] I did not, however, wipe out / because I have other packages installed from slackbuilds.org that I don't want to have to reinstall. [20:09] and probably best to use 13.1 not -current [20:09] Any url for the alien mini install cd plz [20:09] a whole crappile of packages. [20:09] MarkT-: you should have those package sitting around somewhere [20:09] well thos packages can always be rebuilt [20:10] but your personal data is more important to save [20:10] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:11] pastebin the makefile [20:11] i already bought new router [20:11] and i see multiple PVC's [20:11] Tried www.slackware.com/* [20:12] what happens if you manually call it? g++ -o hello_world hello_world.cpp [20:12] darkrho (~darkrho@84.39.107.190.dyn.supernet.com.bo) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [20:12] Help please [20:12] can i deactivate other PVC's? [20:12] same thing, mancha. The problem happens at link time. [20:12] Reducer: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ [20:12] Thx [20:13] where is main() ? [20:13] MarkT-: pastebin the code [20:13] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.32.156.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:14] oh, damn... [20:14] Doesn t work [20:15] I AM A ****ING IDIOT!!!! [20:15] No file packages.txt waS found [20:15] har (~harley@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Reducer: what are you talking about? the link works [20:16] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:16] int mian() { return 0; } [20:16] xD [20:16] MarkT-: it happens. [20:16] g_3man (wojciech@abod223.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [20:16] you need to use +g+ not g++ if you want mian() [20:16] Action: MarkT- goes and hides his head in shame. [20:17] holy crap.... I did a full reinstall and I might not have needed to! [20:17] that sucks [20:17] Url of server "connie.slackware.com" [20:17] Reducer: copy paste is your friend [20:17] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:17] Reducer: that has isos [20:17] why did it not occur to me that I had mistyped the function name? [20:17] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:18] MarkT-: not knowing what the results of mistyping main(0 are [20:18] Action: KaMii has done misspelled things many times before [20:18] I didn't even LOOK at the source code... I just assumed that the error was in my system because I had just done an update. [20:18] MarkT-: it's a learning experience. I've done typos like that all the time [20:18] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Directory "~alien/slackboot/mini/" [20:19] yeah, you should always look at your code first. [20:19] okay... [20:19] well, thanks. [20:19] or ask me. [20:19] MarkT-: does eveything work now? did you try it with the fixed type-o [20:20] No packages.txt [20:21] rheault (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [20:21] hmmm.... [20:21] ? [20:21] Reducer: we already told you, they are .iso files, use your webbrowser and look [20:22] I have no dvd r [20:23] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:23] its a mini, so you can burn it to a cdrom, if you would read it tells you [20:23] Just burned the alien mini install cd [20:23] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:23] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] This mini-ISO image of less than 40MB in size contains everything to let you [20:23] do the above, and nothing more than that. [20:23] wow... maybe the problem was with this particular slackbuild. [20:23] greetings and salutations [20:24] because that's why I thought something was wrong with my system [20:24] Kami ok where [20:24] I'll be back in a bit [20:24] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:24] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ [20:24] I suggest starting with that file that says README [20:27] falc0ns (~bilmcchr@ip68-99-227-69.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Ok, but what to tell the setup [20:28] Ftp http server for install [20:28] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [20:28] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:29] what are you installing from? NFS? HTTP? FTP? or local? [20:29] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:29] Mini alien cd with network [20:30] Reducer: you did not read the file, or you didnt understand it [20:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:30] the mini cd does not have any packages on it, it is just the install setup script [20:30] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Anyone here know what option controls where ctrl+backspace stops deleting text in firefox? [20:31] At the mom i just have my android for irc [20:31] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-79-158.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [20:31] The mini hasn t [20:31] So i need packages.txt [20:32] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Url plz [20:32] falc0ns (~bilmcchr@ip68-99-227-69.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [20:32] Reducer: RTFM [20:32] nvm, found it [20:33] KaMii stop being so helpful [20:33] ok [20:33] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Action: KaMii stops trying to help the helpless [20:34] Nick change: evil|bird -> fire|bird [20:34] crocket (1000@147.47.227.197) joined ##slackware. [20:34] I succeeded in installing fbsplahs and now I see a background image on tty1. [20:34] Hmm [20:34] But I can't see a background image on other TTYs. [20:34] *fbsplash [20:35] I patched the kernel, installed fbsplash, and made initramfs. [20:35] ^^ i hope that does not stand for FaceBookSplash..... that would just be horrible [20:36] no [20:36] fb = framebuffer [20:36] hehe, i was trying to be funny, but failed [20:38] isnt fbsplash a gentoo thing? [20:40] frk (~jcn@189.58.221.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:41] KaMii : fbsplash itself is distro-independent. [20:41] fbsplash-gentoo exists separately. [20:41] I think openSUSE uses it [20:41] could be wrong, though [20:42] I think it uses something like that. [20:42] frk (~jcn@189.58.221.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:42] And it only does work on the first tty [20:43] ok [20:43] That sucks [20:43] It should be applied to all TTYs. [20:43] not saying it can't be configured otherwise [20:43] I really don't know for sure [20:47] Damn, i could not read or see the whole url [20:47] har (~harley@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:47] Plz tell me the http url [20:48] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:48] F*** android phone [20:48] Thx [20:50] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:52] jgil (~jg@heller.thirdprong.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:55] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [20:56] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.204) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:57] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.108) joined ##slackware. [20:58] frk (~jcn@189.58.221.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:00] missyrissy (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [21:01] So are you guys voting today? :D [21:01] what is it? [21:01] ;-; [21:01] I didn't know it was a voting day [21:01] Well, the primary election I think. I got a job to do the poll. [21:01] And November 2 is the general. [21:02] I'm not even registered [21:02] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] yeah, primary vote is tomorrow [21:03] i got to choose lazio or pannitto [21:03] actually, all the republicans in new york have that choice [21:03] vote for Pedro [21:03] vote for Lieberman [21:03] he'll give you what you want nyRednek [21:04] KaMii: again, i said republicans, not beaners [21:04] nyRednek: you didnt see napoleaon dynamyte? [21:04] KaMii: never took the time to watch that nonsense [21:04] Okay brb. [21:04] My cousin just called. She needs something. Also vote! Make sure you go and vote! [21:05] What is wrong: slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1 ? There is packages.txt but no way to continue [21:05] And be nice to your poll people! Bbl. [21:05] Reducer, pick a different mirror. [21:05] Plz tell me one [21:05] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] Okay.... system appears to be working properly now... [21:06] yay MarkT- [21:06] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] although I can't seem to build the xerces-c package from slackbuilds.org [21:06] I will get crazy with searching on my android phone [21:07] Damn, plz [21:07] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:07] /join #freebsd [21:07] Reducer: a .txt file is going to do nothing for you [21:07] /j #microsoft [21:08] Ah.... I need to manually set ARCH [21:08] No never [21:10] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:14] jgil (~jg@heller.thirdprong.ca) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:14] Reducer (~AndroidGT@g230244202.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Bye [21:16] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:18] eduslack (~eduslack@200-181-90-221.bsace705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[22:16] what was the goffice equivalent to a presentation package? i know there's abiword for wp, gnumeric for ss, but what about presentations? [22:17] not sure such a monster exists [22:17] I had thought something might have been wrong with the packages I updated because the first package I tried to compile from slackbuilds failed (saying the compiler cannot produce executables). Then when I wrote a small program to test this, I accidentally typed mian() instead of main() in the source file, so when I compiled it, I got a link error. I hadn't noticed the typo and assumed the causes were one and the same... that i had dele [22:17] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@173-18-62-17.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@173-18-62-17.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Changing host [22:17] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [22:18] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] thrice`: such a monster makes sense to exist [22:19] nachox (~Ignacio@242-196-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:19] once I noticed the typo in my test program, everything seemed to worked fine, except for that slackbuild, which meant that the problem wasn't a bad package update, it was a bad slackbuild [22:21] Action: MarkT- sighs. [22:21] ashe (~ashe@118.96.233.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:23] ashe (~ashe@118.96.220.205) joined ##slackware. [22:27] har (~harley@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:28] Tatux (~ADMIN@187.14.180.164) joined ##slackware. [22:28] http://www.fantasiasdecasados.com.br [22:28] http://www.festa18a.com.br [22:28] http://www.fantasiasdecasados.com.br [22:28] Channel flood from Tatux -- kicking [22:28] http://www.festa18a.com.br [22:28] Tatux kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:29] MarkT-: is the slackbuild using the right architecture? 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[22:53] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:57] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:58] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:59] Damn.... found another slackbuild that doesn't build right on x86_64 [22:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:00] Hmmm.... this is a compat32 problem.... [23:01] The slackbuild is wanting to use library files in /usr/lib [23:01] it also uses /usr/lib64, but I guess it finds the ones with the same name in /usr/lib first [23:03] try reinstalling your system! [23:03] Uh... no. [23:03] I've done that once already, thanks. :) [23:03] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] And the only reason I did that at all was because at the time I couldn't figure out what was actually wrong. [23:04] MarkT-: what are you trying to build? [23:04] OpenCASCADE [23:05] Action: MarkT- sighs. [23:06] it took a long time before it got to the error too... [23:06] it was building for maybe 20 minutes or so. [23:06] sometimes LDFLAGS="-L/usr/lib64" is what it needs to find the correct libs [23:08] okay.... I'll see what happens if I try that. [23:12] slck-o (~cris@201.86.45.187.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:12] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.32.156.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:12] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-250-139-140.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] asarch (~asarch@189.188.153.229) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:15] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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