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[00:16] Greetings programs! [00:17] speaking of security i heard microsoft released like 432 patches today [00:17] Farewell programs! [00:19] mancha: I hadn't checked on how many but there were a few :) [00:19] windows, office, exchange ... [00:20] yeah seems today was patch-day, adobe also released quite a few [00:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:21] no one patched the damn Earth! [00:21] lol [00:21] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:21] WHat I want patched are the damn city streets. getting so you need a 4x4 to go for groceries [00:21] seriously it should not take me hours to try and get conky transparent in kde 4.2.. it was working find in 3.5.10 why is it pseudo-transparent? [00:21] its part of the rugged urban experience [00:21] NyteOwl: it is the same way here [00:22] latemus (~m@67.177.9.234) joined ##slackware. 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[00:25] nothing would surprise me [00:25] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:25] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:26] what process should does isolinux use instead of inetd [00:26] hah [00:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.73.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:29] not bropbear - is it [00:29] :s/bropdear/dropbear [00:29] pass the reefer [00:29] eheh [00:31] it may be crazy.. i need to wget a file onto a box i can only run the slack 13 install disk on. ive got network up from this disk, before, seems like i need to restart something at this point though [00:31] doesnt seem to be anything running to restart though heh [00:31] brb [00:31] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:33] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:33] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:33] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.24) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:34] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:37] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [00:39] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:46] blaines_ (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] nm, got it working [00:48] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:48] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:49] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:49] I've just installed slackware, issue is when I log in it says "Welcome to linux 2.6.29.6" and the login is "Darkstar" with no login or password? I have read up on slackware alot, is this normal? If it's normal I will read up more, if not can someone tell me what went wrong? [00:50] It's normal. I'm hoping you've set a root password? [00:50] yes the root password was "carkik"... [00:51] so I forget, what is the login meant to be? [00:51] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Or does that not matter? [00:51] Please, don't ever give out your password again, especially your root password. [00:51] like it matters... [00:52] it does [00:52] when you say "your login is `Darkstar`", what exactly do you mean? [00:52] o_o [00:52] BP{K} let me check. [00:52] Log in to your machine as root and use "passwd" to change the password to something else. [00:52] brb [00:52] okay [00:52] I will [00:52] BP{k}: darkstar@none [00:52] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:52] Action: jkwood weeps great tears of teariness [00:52] lol [00:53] teariness or weariness? [00:53] This also. [00:54] jkwood: so uhm why would slackware create a user darkstar? {since I not have ever seen that} [00:54] it does not matter if you give out the root password to a machine that is offline [00:54] i think thats machine name, BP{k} [00:54] i think he meant host [00:54] fhobia: uhm no. [00:54] yep... [00:54] That's not the user. That's the default machine name. [00:54] as in u@darkstar:$ [00:55] if it's "darkstar@none", then darkstar is the user and none is the host [00:55] $user@darkstar != "darkstar@none .. [00:55] no, none is the domain thingie [00:55] rc.M: echo "darkstar.example.net" > /etc/HOSTNAME [00:55] rc.M: /bin/hostname darkstar [00:55] That was a mistype on my part, I'm tired. [00:55] fhobia: you can now apologise. [00:55] :) [00:55] oh man [00:55] lol [00:55] ;) [00:55] by default it's "root@darkstar" :) [00:55] yeah [00:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] :3 sawwy [00:56] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:56] well if you forget to set the hostname during instal it sets it also to darkstar.example.net [00:56] It says 'darkstar login: ' [00:56] see /etc/rc.d/rc.M line 32,33 [00:56] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:56] no matter what the login is (the password is correct) it says "login incorrect" [00:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-46.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:58] This is disconcerning, might have to re-install.. [00:58] I think this drive is fried. I can aprtition it but all attempts to layout a filesystem fail :( [00:58] finally got it, own_window_type dock [00:58] override never worked [00:58] Durf: Might I recommend http://slackbook.org ? Good information there. [00:58] that took seriously too long [00:59] Durf, maybe someone here changed your password before you could? [00:59] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:59] tank-man I doubt it [00:59] I lied about my root password just then, it's not cartik or whatever. [00:59] lol [00:59] As Slackware doesn't use PAM, is there a way to use OTP? [00:59] Action: jkwood slaps Durf [00:59] Durf: really? then what was it ? [00:59] Don't scare me like that. [01:00] fhobia it was "nobody gets to know :p" [01:00] rats ;] [01:01] Durf, the user name is "root" [01:01] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:01] In any case, the user should be root - you're expected to log in, create a normal user, and switch to using that for everyday activities. [01:01] tank-man I tried that [01:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:02] didn't work [01:02] Goddamnit now I gotta re-install, I probably forgot the password ;-; [01:02] this time set it to cartik [01:02] we will remember it for you [01:02] Durf: I am sure your password can be reset without reinstalling :P [01:03] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [01:03] oh n0o0o0o sftp [01:03] BP {K} I am a lazy bugger :p [01:03] boot install media, mount system, chroot passwd root [01:03] or summit [01:03] ie boot your install media, mount the root partition under mount, chroot into it, passwd .. [01:04] Right, I'll do that. TOO GOOGLE. [01:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] google knows all [01:04] ..... [01:04] google has an iq of 290 [01:04] ^truth [01:04] you've just been told *what* to do. There is no need to google. [01:04] BP {K} I know, but I always gotta double check, better safe than sorry ;) [01:05] Durf: good man. ;) [01:05] boot media; mount /dev/[h,s]da1 /mnt, chroot /mnt, passwd, enter a fun password [01:05] yeah, doubt our help, that'll secure you a good standing here [01:05] BP{K} no, you are the good man [01:05] :) [01:05] mancha, I don't doubt it, I just want to double check [01:05] ;p [01:05] semantics [01:06] oh u [01:06] :3 [01:06] mancha: He has a point, though he'd be better checking on the commands I gave than the generic advice offered before. [01:07] jkwood is right, don't take it as offense, I trust you guys, but it's always better safe than sorry [01:07] i am deeply offended [01:07] it was things like this that scarred me in my childhood... [01:07] ;_; poor mancha he will cry so many tears now [01:07] mancha: http://noobfarm.org/?id=974 [01:07] mancha: and drove you to drinking in your later years? ;) [01:08] mancha don't worry, this will cheer you up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH0aEp1oDOI [01:08] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:08] latemus (~m@67.177.9.234) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:08] heh - h0h0 [01:08] Okay, it's officially WAY past my bedtime. [01:09] Action: jkwood -> bed [01:09] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] BP{k} amen girlfriend [01:10] *z-snap* [01:10] Nobody knows? [01:10] no [01:10] nope [01:11] nein [01:11] DH [01:11] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Motoko, i think so, do you mean the online banking thing? [01:13] Okay, so one last time before I try, boot my install media mount the root partion under mount then change the root password. [01:14] Right [01:14] Off I go [01:14] yeah but don't forget to mount /dev or else you'll never change your password! ya need pts! [01:14] or boot up in single user mode and change passwd [01:14] and if my computer explodes and I die, I blame mancha for it. [01:14] okay thnx guys [01:14] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457] [01:14] hehe [01:14] actually, mount the root partition, then zero out the root password - next reboot login as root and change password as soon as you get a terminal would be another option [01:15] hah, i was thinking OFX not OTP. OTP yeah you know me... [01:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:16] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:20] sluckxz (~sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware. 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[01:33] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: peace [01:35] play with pwgen Seimie3aiw|ee0aeLuphe4Auz7shei1Ooxu&aqu7aTh&aiX3za1eethee8tha_T [01:36] the poh man's version echo $(mcookie) | sha224sum [01:36] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:40] anybody play with kannel? [01:42] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] i got family in several countries some of which would be easier to sms. was looking at kannel but not really clear on what it can do. apparently has a gnome dependency as well. [01:44] plus ASCII pron RULZ!!! [01:44] you'll need to buy access either way [01:45] cool. kinda figured. i looked at asterisk as well but seemed the same. sooner or later you gotta hit the POTS. [01:45] i've tried sms server tools 3, but that's basically a wrapper script for a GSM modem [01:46] or have them use SIP softphones and run asterisk yourself [01:46] not that the main people i wanna get to have enough bandwidth for voip. [01:46] I have that working [01:46] you don't need massive bandwidth for just sms or even a few calls [01:46] tbh, i've never heard of kannel before, but it seems to have some of the same functionality plus A LOT more [01:48] well basically my parents are moving into a 3rd world country soon and sms is so handy there. they will only have dialup unless a miracle happens and the govt lets us on their microwave backbone. [01:49] i want to sms to cell phones there. plus NZ Aussie would be nice too. [01:51] sluckxz, can you email to their sms gateway? [01:52] most carriers here allow that [01:52] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [01:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] never tried. dont think so. really just wondering about possibilities for communicating instantly and cheaply without an always on connection besides cell [01:53] here were? USA? [01:54] I was able to email @vodafone.something (possibly .com.au) and have an SMS sent to my phone, but that may have just been an alert to check the email they provide, not the actual message sent to the point. And it may not even work anymore. [01:57] KaMii (nebulae@91.90.29.143) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:57] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [01:57] hhmm. well im talking about Samoa. Not American Samoa either the independent one. They are pretty primitive and i have tried to contact some of their ISP's without a response. [01:57] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.142.227) left irc: [01:58] LSD`: I will try something like that if i get the oppotunity. [01:59] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-167.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:59] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [02:00] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:00] SUCSESS [02:00] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [02:00] antiwire: is access for sms terribly expensive? i have used the freebie services to NZ before. never got a response but i didnt try hard either considering most of those guys pay to receive as well [02:00] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:00] It works, thanks guys [02:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:01] Now I shall read slackbook. [02:02] Sluckwere. [02:02] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:02] slcokwore [02:03] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] Jeez, slackbook is outdated.. [02:05] ikonia_ (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Don't judge a pdf by it's cover. [02:05] or by the author's name :o [02:05] muhaha [02:05] It's not THAT outdated, all the missing features in the book are easy to find elsewhere [02:05] But...err, well, you know, it has it's issues, but aside from that it's great [02:06] keep on digging [02:06] Durf: you a Slackware newbie? [02:06] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-209-204.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:07] sluckxz, I don't know how to answer that, depends what your definition of newbie is [02:07] I installed slackware easily, I've read MOST of slackbook. [02:07] \(._.) [02:07] One is a slackware noob if they don't stick with it forever after using it once. [02:07] \(._.)/ I dunno [02:07] 9.0 Represent! [02:07] gotcha. how long have you been using Slackware? Linux? (separate questions) [02:08] Sluckxz, I upgraded from 9.0 not to long ago. I've been using linux for a while, maybe 1.5 years? [02:08] Kaapa (~Something@bl5-183-253.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:08] still my slackware skillz have gotten rusty, thankfully there is slackbook [02:08] wow from 9.0 [02:09] i first tried around 10 something i think. when 2.6 was just coming out. Suse before that. [02:09] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:09] openSUSE is excellent in compatibility [02:09] :) [02:09] 1.5 years ago linux > 9.0 slackware [02:10] ikonia_ (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:10] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:10] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Okay. Anyway... [02:11] I heard that our good friends (gentoo) have run into alot of strife as of late, it's a shame I was hoping to run gentoo later (7-10 months). [02:11] (as a dual boot) [02:11] anyway back 2 slackbook. [02:13] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:14] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:15] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] morning [02:15] genpoo [02:16] ... [02:16] ha ha ha! [02:16] morning SunTzu [02:16] mornin',SunTzu [02:16] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:16] SunTzu more like gentwit! [02:16] does anyone have a suggestion for a simple wiki wiki that can handle a dirtree? [02:16] durf huh? [02:17] or, is there a wiki diesgn howto? [02:17] design [02:17] mlanden, fhobia [02:18] not sure, SunTzu [02:18] i get the concept, but i'd rather not build from scratch [02:18] i can envision a bash script but i'm unsure of security concerns [02:18] SunTzu, online or local wiki? [02:18] for me, the online would be a partial of my local archive [02:19] but the dirtree would essentially be the same [02:19] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457] [02:19] i dont wnt to dump all in onedir nor use a db [02:19] a cvs/someth would be enough [02:20] and i'm no perlist either [02:20] SunTzu, might be something over in wikihow's forum http://www.wikihow.com/Main-Page [02:20] perlite? [02:20] ok; i'm looking at C2 also [02:22] damn, perldesignpatterns.com is dead [02:22] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-6-69.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:23] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:24] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:24] Inbetween 1:40 to 1:42 does anyone know what command this guy uses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJPuJ6umDg8&feature=related ? [02:25] I THINK it's -a limit 4 [02:26] SunTzu, what are you using to access your wiki layout? [02:27] wait i got it [02:27] there is none now; locally, it's a dirtree of Files/, Http/ and Mirrors/ [02:27] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:27] more than 100g, prolb closer to 200g now [02:28] but i think i want to make a subset available publicly [02:28] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:29] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:29] generally, the dirtree struct is {Files,Http,Mirror}/{subject}?/[a-z]/{subject}/ [02:29] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [02:29] with inter-dir associativity possible [02:30] such as from http/Computer/editors/emacs -> File/Ed/{emacs,vi} [02:31] as a bash script, i can see how using only the standard shell tools would be fine, but then... hmm, flashed on bin/ash or maybe rbash [02:31] interesting [02:31] does ash have a tstricted mode? [02:32] restricted [02:32] like bash? [02:32] i dont think ash does [02:33] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:33] SunTzu, ever able to compile zim? [02:33] duno it; wazit? [02:34] http://zim-wiki.org/index.html [02:34] k [02:34] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:34] is python binary considered heavy? [02:35] binary - no, but the extra packages can be fun [02:35] k [02:36] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [02:37] well, perl design patterns is defiantly offline [02:37] too bad [02:37] i think i have a copy of its self source tho [02:41] MLanden has yourlife-schedule changed that your up so late? :) [02:41] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:41] oops, youLife :) [02:41] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [02:42] it's late for me apparently, cant type coherently [02:42] SunTzu, no,not really [02:43] heh ok [02:43] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [02:43] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:43] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:45] i really want a wiki thatll handle a dirtree; and I cant believe that after all these years no one's implemented it. it's such a natural, logical progression fro allInOneDir [02:45] until SunTzu invented it [02:45] fro/for [02:45] and changed the world [02:45] forever. [02:45] i'm not a perlite tho [02:45] \o/ [02:45] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable. [02:45] :) has to be in perl? [02:46] no but implementation seems to require it :) [02:46] _o_ [02:47] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-241.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:47] ikonia_ (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [02:48] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:49] umislack (1000@58.64.78.31) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:50] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [02:50] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:52] su csNpjcgs [02:53] made ya look. [02:53] not me! [02:55] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable. [02:56] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:56] ikonia_ (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Quit: connection issues [03:00] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:00] karuna_ (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [03:03] Durf (~chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:05] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [03:08] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:08] What is the official way to upgrade a freshly installed stable version of Slackware. I usually just rsync /patches from a mirror and run upgradepkg manually. Are there any recommented automated ways? [03:09] morning [03:10] Axius (~hi@92.82.71.62) joined ##slackware. [03:10] evanton: try out slackpkg [03:10] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:10] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] evanton, slackpkg totally :) [03:11] Axius (~hi@92.82.71.62) left irc: Client Quit [03:11] ok, thanks for the keyword hint [03:11] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] slackpkg for official, sbopkg for slackbuilds.org [03:12] definitely try out slackpkg i used to do it your way too. [03:13] Okay, so I'm still VERY rusty on slackware, besides slackbook, what else do i need? [03:14] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:14] Durf, a general book on linux basics and command line. [03:15] Durf: slackwiki is also useful, also alien has some great docs on his site [03:15] hey, does anyone recall that liquid spray advertised on tv that dog-owners could buy that would restore a dog's vitality? [03:15] what is a tv? :) [03:15] TV [03:15] RaNdY- (randy@randy.ph) joined ##slackware. [03:15] remote site seer [03:16] Durf, http://oreilly.com/linux/ [03:17] slava_dp lol, for a moment i was thinking `why is bill oreilly talkin bout linux?' [03:17] Durf: you will learn a lot about slackware if you'll try to write a coupld of slackbuild scripts, even if you'll use existing ones as reference [03:19] xchg_spi (~xchg@nat-84-16-60-106.extel.sk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:19] Durf: dolpy! had a good night rest? [03:19] evaton, I forget, slackbuild scripts done in perl, bypthon or both? [03:19] lmao [03:19] in c++ [03:20] with bits of java [03:20] >C++ [03:20] >Java [03:20] Oh, god, that is some bad trolling there [03:20] slackbuilds are shell [03:20] Durf: stupid question, stupid answer [03:20] it's clearly bash [03:20] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:20] w/e I'll re-learn perl then MAYBE python [03:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:21] anyway, thats about it, everything else is set up. [03:21] "bypthon" sounds more like a medicinal syrup, not like a programming language name :-) [03:21] hehe [03:24] so lets see, the slack wiki, the slackbook [03:24] Thats about it [03:24] a search engine [03:24] that's the main thing [03:25] surrounder, I know and such [03:25] just making sure dolpy [03:25] surrounder, I made an ass out of myself last night, didn't I? [03:25] don't forget the slackware gallery too [03:26] Durf: yup [03:26] Durf: sleep is good isn't it? :) [03:26] Durf: you learn by completing particular tasks [03:26] surrounder, I can't remember most of last night, walk me through what happened [03:26] and during the process, you find out things that are not directly related to your tasks [03:26] help vampire again. steals people's time. [03:28] Oookay. [03:28] Surrounder, the wiki, the gallery and thats it? okay I'll find more out by google :) [03:29] Action: surrounder pets dolpy [03:29] Durf, and use tab completion for names [03:29] okay [03:29] how can I see what 'slackpkg install-new' is going to do, without actually installing new packages, if there are such? [03:29] evanton, it will prompt you before installing. [03:30] also when i woke up, i had no idea how or what happened after I installed slackware but I had 4 tabs of this opened --> http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=164 [03:30] Durf, get lost [03:30] slava_dp: does 'slackpkg check-updates' make sense to figure out if there are new packages? [03:31] evanton, not really, try it :) [03:31] well, yeah, it tells you if there _are_ new packages, but doesn't tell the names. [03:32] slava_dp right back at you, anyway I gotta go [03:32] I'm at the point of reading the manpage for slackpkg now. I'll certainly try after getting some idea about what to expect when running those commands :) [03:32] Durf (chatzilla@CPE-138-217-209-110.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware. [03:32] other than grabbing stuff from the network, it's pretty much the same as pkgtool [03:32] without the main menu [03:33] I think I'm only using pkgtool when installing Slackware, otherwise I just use the console tools [03:34] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:34] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:34] i don't ever use pkgtool either. [03:35] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-241.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:35] to me it's like, "yes, we have a gui package tool in slack", to tick a pkg mgmt field in a questionnaire ;) [03:36] in reality, install/upgrade/removepkg totally rock. [03:37] I remember running the mkfontdir and fontconfig scripts a couple of times from pkgtool, but that's the only exception [03:38] RaNdY- (randy@randy.ph) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [03:38] right, I ran these manually once, after adding x/ and finding it didn't work [03:40] did you know, that /var/log/setup/ contains all the useful scripts setup runs? :-) [03:40] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [03:40] now I do [03:42] slava_dp: that's handy [03:51] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. 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[04:25] morning guize [04:25] guten morgan =) [04:25] phrag: europe? [04:26] I think 'lad' is specific for British islands [04:26] australians use it as well [04:26] and new zealanders i reckon [04:26] not too sure [04:26] lw0x15: yeh, UK =) [04:27] phrag: nice, me too [04:27] where abouts? i'm up in Newcastle [04:27] london [04:27] ;-D [04:27] =) [04:27] <_RadioHead> to sync time with NTP beest is to add in ntpdate in cron ? [04:27] pretty far [04:27] <_RadioHead> hi phrag [04:27] _RadioHead: yeh, but no need to hit too often [04:27] script in cron.daily would suffice [04:28] <_RadioHead> phrag: yep once per day [04:29] echo 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org' >> /etc/cron.daily/ntp && chmod +x /etc/cron.daily/ntp [04:29] =) [04:29] _RadioHead: hiya, hows it going? long time =) [04:29] <_RadioHead> phrag: :) boring man [04:30] <_RadioHead> i am hiting freenode but stay quiet lol , how are you? how goes there? [04:30] all good here thanks, finally found a nice SA job close to home =) [04:30] <_RadioHead> great to hear that man [04:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-187.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:32] ;-0 [04:32] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:33] i use /usr/sbin/ntpd -v uk.pool.ntp.org [04:33] to update my time, but it doesnt update it [04:33] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.178) joined ##slackware. [04:33] neither it gives an error :| [04:33] time, schime; we dont need no steenking Time. [04:33] <_RadioHead> lw0x15: i use ntpdate SERVER [04:33] ntpd takes a config file setup last I checked [04:34] ah alisonken1noc thnx [04:34] Ratrophy: ntpd is running here, cant use ntpdate [04:34] a little fun learning on there as well since you have to mess with tiered server stuff [04:34] <_RadioHead> lw0x15: yep true :) [04:35] <_RadioHead> lw0x15: i have very basic config but doesn`t sync time.... [04:36] <_RadioHead> so i`ll stay ntpdate via cron :0 [04:36] I'm trying to set up a cronjob to record a webradio show every Tuesday and Thursday. Here is my take on it: http://pastebin.com/exqRXA4c . Does it seem okey to you? Also, can I have line breaks in crontab? (for those of you wondering, the script starts mplayer -dumpfile show.dump [04:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:38] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:38] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [04:38] when I export a variable in /etc/rc.d/rc.M, it gets lost, and not passed on to scripts. how can I set a global variable, like LD_LIBRARY_PATH? [04:39] slava_dp: I'd do that in /etc/profile.d [04:40] i'm trying to override libjpeg, I want it to take effect for all daemons and applications. [04:40] argh the time isnt updating :| [04:41] no clue sorry [04:41] ntpdate not working? [04:41] phrag: mhm [04:41] whats the problem [04:41] doesnt forward the time one hour [04:41] lol [04:42] set your timezone properly? [04:42] OH FUCK [04:42] <_RadioHead> hmmm phrag better to add ntpdate to rc.local :) [04:42] timeconfig can help [04:42] stupid me, of course [04:42] =.= [04:42] slava_dp: thnx [04:42] <_RadioHead> hi slava_dp [04:43] hey _RadioHead [04:43] <_RadioHead> hows life there man? [04:43] fine. do you know how to set a global variable? :-) [04:43] _RadioHead: well that will only sync time on boot.. i myself dont reboot very often =P [04:44] slava_dp: export BLEH=bleh [04:44] phrag, if I do it in rc.M, it gets lost by rc.httpd [04:44] I want it to be totally global [04:44] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:45] Morn [04:45] <_RadioHead> phrag: :) that is a reason , i need window :) sometimes because i need to access machine remotely via logmein [04:45] <_RadioHead> so when i am @ office i reboot to slackware and always i need to update time :) [04:45] <_RadioHead> hey Zordrak sup [04:46] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:47] <_RadioHead> i never tried to remote linux with an app like logmein or teamviewer [04:47] isn't that VNC? [04:48] I tried that citrrixy thing (webex?) with symantec support and it wouldnt work [04:48] radsy (~irc@203.217.43.129) joined ##slackware. [04:48] NX rocks. nothing is better. [04:48] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:49] aliens slackbuild still works for 13 i think. [04:49] i need some counsel. dev/sdb* is gone, swap on sdb2 says `write error on sdb2 swap dev' [04:49] sluckxz: there site is down [04:49] counsel? [04:49] there's 4g free on / [04:49] phrag what i'm missing if anything [04:49] free 4g on slashdot???? :P [04:50] free space on other parts is fine [04:50] SunTzu: boot into rescue mode/live distro and fsck your partitions [04:50] hexdump_ (~ballsdeep@cpe-71-79-14-136.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:50] k, anything else i can chk before i do so? [04:50] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:50] grep dmesg for errors [04:50] ah [04:50] dmesg | tail ought to suffice [04:51] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: a friend just told me for vino .... first time i hear [04:51] _RadioHead: What does that mean in English? [04:52] a gnome VNC? [04:52] grep -vi "swap-dev" syslog [04:52] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: :) i think phrag have right [04:53] _RadioHead: I have absolutely no idea what you are saying. [04:54] Zordrak: he's saying he's just heard about the remote desktop client called Vino. [04:54] nothing but `err on swap' in syslog [04:54] phrag: Oh. [04:54] vino is the server innit? [04:54] vinagre be a client [04:54] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: sorry imisunderstanding. [04:55] <_RadioHead> mis* [04:55] SunTzu: after fsck, be good idea to backup important stuff (just in case) and remake your swap perhaps [04:55] nothing interesting in messages either [04:55] although it most likely points to some HW problem [04:55] k [04:56] ok so logs are useless [04:56] safe to just mkswap over your old swap partition (after swapoff) [04:56] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [04:57] k [04:57] but why is sdb* gone? [04:58] SunTzu: fdisk -l [04:59] sdb* is gone? [04:59] are gone [04:59] SunTzu: if it had errors, it may not have been initialised [04:59] nothing to fdisk [04:59] pls; i've been on linux since last century :) it was [04:59] no entry for sdb at all in fdisk -l means its shagged or disconnected [04:59] it means someth, dont know what tho [05:00] SunTzu: regardless of how long you've been on linux, it wasn't initialised if it's not in /dev/ =P [05:00] ^ [05:00] your proposal is that i didnt mkfs? [05:00] pff [05:00] erm, no? [05:00] SunTzu: FS is irrelevant to the partition structure [05:00] i know [05:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-191.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:01] i'm saying you probably have a hardware fault, as in your HD is broke, not working, bad [05:01] <_RadioHead> SunTzu: if fdisk -l tells nothing that means you don`t have disk attached or you are loged as a user [05:01] well, that's too fatalist for me :) [05:01] SunTzu: Power off [05:01] <_RadioHead> or as phrag say hw failure [05:01] SunTzu: Unplug disk [05:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:01] radiohead, that's happened before. [05:01] SunTzu: Plug disk in [05:01] SunTzu: Power on [05:02] SunTzu: fdisk -l [05:02] Zordrak it aint winders :) [05:02] <_RadioHead> SunTzu: do what Zordrak say :) [05:02] ty [05:02] if its not there THEN.. then the disk is fucked [05:02] live with it [05:03] brb [05:03] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: [BX] I came, I saw, I ran away screaming [05:03] god doamn BitchX users [05:03] we used to ban bitchx users with offensive quit messages =P [05:04] lol [05:04] We should ban BitchX users for just not being good enough. [05:04] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.114.37) joined ##slackware. [05:04] If you cant work out that you shouldn't use something that was EOLed over security failure, fou shouldn't be using slack and you shouldn't be in here. [05:05] hehe [05:05] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:05] rebotted [05:05] hexdump_ (~ballsdeep@cpe-71-79-14-136.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:06] and fdisk -l shows? [05:06] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.22.32) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:06] everything mounted correctly [05:06] well aren't you lucky(!) [05:07] as i wrote above, opinions were "too fatalistic" [05:07] :) [05:07] fucking bitchx ay [05:07] heh, what was the tagline? [05:07] anal rape [05:07] no [05:07] rly? [05:07] ya rly [05:07] i thought i caught all those [05:08] (i cleaned up its files once) [05:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:08] http://newteevee.com/2010/04/12/google-to-open-source-vp8-for-html5-video/ - nicenice [05:08] SunTzu: Get the hell off BitchX. It was EOLed for a reason. [05:08] it's alive again [05:08] i've never met any bx bugs [05:08] i think they're all fiction :) [05:08] lol [05:09] people are envious and jealous that i still use it [05:09] bahaha [05:09] SunTzu: You sir, are a moron. [05:09] yea, for daLord :) [05:09] You are being red-tagged. [05:09] where? [05:09] Action: SunTzu lifts a foot [05:09] put it there [05:09] heh [05:10] lololol [05:10] i'm a polite troll -- DONT BE MAD#!@#!@ [05:10] DAMN, it's cold in florida this mornin [05:10] i should put on some clothes [05:11] brrr [05:13] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-185.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:14] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:14] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [05:18] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:24] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:24] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-185.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:24] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [05:25] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:26] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [05:36] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-29.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:37] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:37] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [05:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@69.172.130.217) joined ##slackware. [05:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-29.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-14.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [05:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:52] tmkd (user-448@clients.shells.eofnet.lt) joined ##slackware. [05:52] hello [05:52] hola [05:53] i have a problem after keren update with wi-fi , intel 5100 [05:53] can you help a little? [05:53] kernel update [05:53] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] don't ask to ask just ask :) [05:54] i would like to be sure that anybody is listening [05:55] :) [05:55] n0w0nd3r__ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [05:56] Action: slava_dp points at 283 people [05:56] pointing's rude [05:56] Action: slava_dp unpoints mancha [05:56] i have changed kernel to 2.6.33. and for this moment system doesnot se wi-fi card [05:56] it is intel 5100 [05:57] i have installed compat-wireless with iwlagn [05:57] iwlwifi [05:57] you built the driver as a module or builtin the kernel? [05:57] hmmm, in the kernel was only iwlwifi [05:58] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.178) joined ##slackware. [05:58] on the old keren i had iwlagn, [05:58] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:58] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:58] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.114.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-14.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:59] what is the drivers name? [05:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:59] i all. i want to install chmsee. http://code.google.com/p/chmsee/ the slackbuild is old http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/sources/13.0/chmsee/ [05:59] n0w0nd3r__ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Client Quit [05:59] in the 1.0.5 version they switched to cmake [06:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-195.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:01] how can i modify the slackbuild to use cmake instead of .configure? [06:01] OclkdMan, poke the maintainer, or redo the slackbuild and send it to him. [06:01] not dissuading you from a compile of chmsee, but there's also xchm out there in case you're looking around for alternatives [06:01] okular shows chm happily too :) [06:01] okular needs the kde4 libs [06:01] although I rather like chmsee [06:01] yes. i have been using xchm since now. but in many chm files i cannot search text very well [06:02] mancha: drivers, firmware, modules? [06:02] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:02] OclkdMan, you might want to use this one as a cmake example: http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/system/partitionmanager/partitionmanager.SlackBuild [06:03] run "ccmake" in the source dir to see what options it provides [06:03] thx a lot! [06:06] the readme gives you how to install it [06:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:07] mancha: i have installed it, but after typing iwconfig i see some comunicates which doesnot relate to wi-fi [06:08] procedure is set firmware in /lib/firmware , compile compat-wireles(iwlagn) and load iwlagn [06:10] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.17) joined ##slackware. [06:10] tmkd, what does "ifconfig -a" report? [06:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-195.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:11] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [06:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-193.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:15] OclkdMan hmm seems to want xulrunner [06:16] yes... [06:21] libjpeg-turbo rocks my socks [06:22] cut my load by two [06:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-193.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [06:26] in SRC of 1.1.0 version #ccmake and #ccmake CMakeList.txt do not show something helpful [06:29] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [06:30] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) joined ##slackware. [06:31] hexdump_ (~ballsdeep@cpe-71-79-14-136.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:31] hi I need to install a chat server like jabber 2. I am trying to install from source and it fails due to missing udns library [06:32] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:33] i have run ./configure and make but make install is giving error No rule to make target 'install' Stop [06:34] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:34] how to install the udns library so that jabber can be installed [06:34] wrodrigues: read the instructions that came with the source [06:35] there is no README or INSTALL with udns source files [06:35] so check the website [06:35] alternatively, look inside the actual Makefile [06:35] OclkdMan i have fixed the problem [06:36] radsy (~irc@203.217.43.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:36] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-223.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:37] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [06:37] how can I check rpc.statd is working properly? it starts but after that, I'm not sure it's working well [06:38] v4nelle (~van@188.4.225.57.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:39] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [06:40] don't you just hate nfs3? :) [06:42] think it's working [06:42] but I write better error messages than the nfs/rpc guys :P [06:54] I'm always getting the "rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking" error message, I can '-o nolock' but I'd like to fix the problem [06:54] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:55] wertik_rus (~wertik@69.172.130.217) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:00] radsy (~irc@203.217.43.129) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:00] radsy (~irc@203.217.43.129) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:01] Camarade_Tux: rpcinfo -p should have output like http://pastebin.ca/1859807 on the nfs client side, and /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc start also needs run client side [07:02] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) left irc: Quit: BitchX: it keeps going and going and going and going and... [07:02] Camarade_Tux: you're on a real slackware setup or is this the installer ? [07:03] it's the installer [07:03] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.31.118) joined ##slackware. [07:04] hmm, all i've done there is -o nolock [07:04] mancha: can you show it with pastebin? [07:04] neither portmap nor rpc appears in find searches of the initrd [07:05] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:06] trhodes: with nolock it works but I hoped I could understand the error, especially since statd is running [07:06] wait, i take that back, it's in sbin [07:06] ananke: while i have no particular love for it, its still better than a number of alternatives [07:07] Action: Camarade_Tux hands Zordrak an SMB [07:07] try running ./sbin/rpc.portmap [07:07] it's already running on the server side [07:07] Camarade_Tux: what do i do with this crap? [07:07] Action: Zordrak drops it in a gutter [07:07] but I gave up and started installing with nolock which is default in the installer anyway [07:08] Zordrak: nothing ;-) [07:08] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:08] i agree about nfs errors being cryptic [07:08] installing now so that'll do it :-) [07:10] I'm wondering which install method I haven't tried yet: I've used cd/dvd, network boot+nfs, virtual machine + iso (+ change fstab), installpkg -root + change fstab, any other method? (I like to change when I have the occasion) [07:10] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [07:10] karuna_ (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:12] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Client Quit [07:14] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [07:15] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. 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[07:24] goj (~goj@p4FE6E763.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:25] Camarade_Tux: you could try a variation of network install [07:25] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [07:25] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:25] like those guys, sending data with birds :) [07:26] heheh :P [07:26] v4nelle (~van@188.4.225.57.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:26] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-199.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-223.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:27] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:27] hey, this is what i get when i try to start up mysql :| http://pastebin.ca/1859827 [07:28] lw0x15: look at the mysql log [07:29] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:31] check owner/permissions on /var/lib/mysql [07:31] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:34] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] drwxr-x--- 4 mysql mysql 432 2010-04-14 12:26 mysql [07:35] thats the mysql /var/lib/mysql [07:40] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [07:41] j0z (~SPH@200.146.8.225) joined ##slackware. [07:41] j0z (~SPH@200.146.8.225) left irc: Changing host [07:41] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:41] did you initialize your mysql databases before trying to start mysql? [07:41] lw0x15, ^^^ [07:42] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:42] you have to initialize the base mysql setup db (user/permissions database) before you can do much [07:44] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-phgxaoioqafbprve) joined ##slackware. [07:45] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:45] rc.mysqld has deployment instructions IIRC [07:48] you mean mysql_install_db --user=mysql? [07:48] yes [07:49] you have to do that manually after installing mysqld [07:50] yeah i did it [07:50] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.95.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:51] still does the same thing [07:52] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [07:53] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:53] lw0x15: try to add the --verbose argument, maybe it'll tell you more [07:55] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.95.44) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_ [07:59] evanton: to what? 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(making a custom kernel for a friend but no access to the computer right now) [08:29] no clue [08:29] looks like it is used for the network card but I can't be sure [08:29] ok, and which kernel are you using? [08:30] whichever one comes default with opensuse 11.2 [08:30] i quit making my own kernels back in 2005 [08:30] lw0x15: to the call of mysqld [08:30] too cool for school [08:30] ananke: ok, thanks [08:30] ananke: I quit compiling kernels on Slackware 13.0 to discover that I can't run iotop with the stock kernel [08:32] evanton: doesnt show anything, unless im doing it wrong lol [08:32] zepfred (~Fred@200.131.208.34) joined ##slackware. [08:33] I always got more battery life with my own kernels compared to slackware's default ones [08:33] ananke: btw, what do you think about the touchpad? [08:35] zepfred (Fred@200.131.208.34) left ##slackware. [08:35] zepfred (~Fred@200.131.208.34) joined ##slackware. [08:37] not sure what you mean. it's an ok touchpad [08:39] I mean, with the buttons being almost on the sensitive part of the touchpad, which sometimes makes your cursor move when you press them [08:39] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:40] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [08:41] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [08:41] haven't noticed that [08:43] must be driver-related [08:43] thanks [08:44] ooh, opengl 4.0 nvidia driver [08:56] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [08:56] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [08:58] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:04] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:05] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [09:11] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:14] delphus (~srv072@unaffiliated/delphus) joined ##slackware. [09:14] delphus (srv072@unaffiliated/delphus) left ##slackware. [09:15] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:20] _PrometeuS_ (~c8804301@gateway/web/freenode/x-lwweoydjqmkkacif) joined ##slackware. [09:21] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:21] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [09:22] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:22] <_PrometeuS_> hi guys [09:23] Khratos (~khratos@190.80.226.201) joined ##slackware. [09:24] <_PrometeuS_> i have a address that only accept requests from ip address of my firewall and i want that my clients have access to this address from their houses, someone can tell me what service can i use to provide this? [09:25] what? [09:25] <_PrometeuS_> they will access address.mydomain.com and my firewall access the address and provide de response to the user [09:25] I still don't understand. [09:25] I think my English has gotten worst lately, I did not understand a thing [09:25] I understood you want to use a domain and the firewall is going to be involved some how [09:26] <_PrometeuS_> there is otherdomain.com but this address only accept requests from firewall.mydomain.com [09:27] <_PrometeuS_> and i want to access service.myadomain.com and my firewall request the otherdomain.com and return it to me [09:27] <_PrometeuS_> *mydomain [09:27] That still makes no freakin' sense [09:28] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:28] <_PrometeuS_> i'll try again [09:28] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-198.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:30] <_PrometeuS_> www.otherdomain.com only accept requests from firewall.mydomain.com [09:32] abnorma| (~Dragon@77.46.215.230) joined ##slackware. [09:34] abnorma| (~Dragon@77.46.215.230) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:35] _PrometeuS_ (~c8804301@gateway/web/freenode/x-lwweoydjqmkkacif) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:40] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.128.3) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [09:46] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:47] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: bubye [09:50] Hello Dominian. [09:50] hey dtanner [09:50] How have you been brother? [09:50] been ok.. you? [09:51] I have been doing ok, thanks. The doctors are killing me. I am going all natural. That pretty much sums it up for me at the moment. [09:52] thats the trouble with western medicine [09:53] Threating to upgrade my main box to the latest stable slackware. One of the things I love about slackware is the stability of course. it makes me not even want to bother with upgrades. I have amail server running some ridiculous 3.x on a 486 that WILL NOT DIE. [09:53] your psu or hd will fail before the cpu [09:53] I upgrade the kernel and security patches on the mail server for years and keep on truckin'. [09:54] Threatening* [09:54] I had over a year uptime on the mail server a couple of times and a blackout is the only thing that killed it. [09:56] The mail server has been attacked several times by some ip's from China and they couldn't kill it or slow it down. I changed some settings in the firewall and that was it. [09:56] <_RadioHead> hi Dominian dtanner friends :) [09:56] <_RadioHead> long time [09:56] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Hey my old friend _RadioHead. [09:56] <_RadioHead> dtanner: how things man [09:56] i'm getting alot of spam from russia now [09:57] and some of it is even in cyrillic [09:57] relatively speaking pretty good. Going to take a ride through the hill country on the Harley today and relax at serveral protected forests no the way. [09:57] i'm getting chinese spam with hieroglyphs. dunno how i'm supposed to understand. [09:58] several* [09:58] damn my typing sucks. [09:58] <_RadioHead> dtanner: :) [09:58] My girlfriend asks me how the hell I can type with such unconventional methods as fast as i do. [09:59] you can type? [09:59] well, now you can tell her with lots of mistakes [09:59] I don't think i have ever used my ring finger. [09:59] lllll [09:59] mine works [09:59] dtanner: you happen to use dworak? :) [09:59] Skywise: =) [09:59] sssss [09:59] that one too [09:59] Being a talking horse frequently on IRC, I have to type with a pen in my mouth, and I manage pretty well [09:59] lol [09:59] i use my left little finger to hold the edge of the keyboard for precise stabilisation... hurts after a few hours though [09:59] gartt, damn you're old [10:00] i have to say, i've never taken a typing class, but i've been on irc for a long time [10:00] They haven't put me down yet [10:00] lol [10:00] rofl [10:00] i think you have to learn to type fast if you're gonna have an arguement on irc [10:00] you are indeed old, you remember times when people used pens :) [10:00] dont stand in front of a hose when it sneezes [10:00] evanton: A pen to hit the keys [10:00] hose/horse [10:00] o_O [10:01] i got a spacepen, its my favorite [10:01] it writes upside down, on walls, under water and yes even in space [10:01] I used to have one of those. It was pressurized, so it could write upside down and stuff [10:01] Great pen [10:01] really smooth [10:01] Very [10:01] If only all pens were like that.. [10:01] Maybe I should buy one [10:02] Yea I want one too now [10:02] some kind of "swiss army pen"? [10:02] they don't sell the one i have anymore, but they do have one like it [10:02] If you want your pen or lighter to stop working just hand it to me. [10:02] if there was one complaint, i'd like the barrell to be a litte wider cause its small for my hand [10:02] I have resorted to crayons and sticks. [10:03] you gotta be safe with those [10:03] can you replace the ink cartridge? [10:03] after that you're just left with finger paints [10:03] yes [10:04] Th emobvile devices (cell phones/gadgets/whatever I can't stand to use for typing because the keys are just too damn small for me. I don't understand how, mostly women, can text at the speed of light with one hand while putting on makeup and driving. [10:04] http://www.spacepen.com/ [10:05] A law was just passed here In Austin, TX. against texting(is this even a word?) while driving. It is about time. [10:05] Skywise: what? [10:05] 800 bux for a pen? [10:05] lol [10:05] thats not the typical price [10:06] you can get them for $30 [10:06] those for 30 are ugly! [10:07] the $800 pen has a piece of the thermal insulation from apollo 11 and went around the moon [10:08] oh, it's not a simple pen [10:08] it's a fetish pen [10:08] you pay 800 bux and worship it :) [10:09] and those slicks who managed to trick you into spending 800 bux for a pen buy themselves a personal jet [10:09] how do i let people see my apache server's file list instead of an index.html? [10:09] umislack (1000@58.64.91.34) joined ##slackware. [10:09] rename index.html to something else? [10:09] first you should ask in #httpd [10:10] or setup an alias [10:10] no, you turn indexes on [10:10] but i'm not gonna say how [10:10] yea [10:10] Or just remove index.html from the Indexes directive either globally or with an .htaccess [10:10] Option +Indexes in httpd.conf [10:10] so there are multiple ways to do so, pick one =P [10:10] wouldn't a .htaccess with that option suffice? [10:11] in order to avoid doing it globally? [10:11] renaming index.html did it thanks [10:11] >.< [10:11] you don't wanna use htaccess in a production system [10:11] Zordrak: yes [10:11] I type slower :) [10:11] evanton: much [10:12] theres a $12 flat black tactical space pen [10:12] Options +indexes can be issued dir specific [10:13] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:14] umislack (1000@58.64.91.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:15] Anyone ever had client side problems when serving a read only filesystem to XP using samba? [10:15] i personally would never do such a thing [10:18] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:23] hughszg (~hugh@58.33.151.130) joined ##slackware. [10:26] mates, previously i installed win 7 in MBR and slackware 13 into /dev/sda3. they are dual boot. now I formatted the two partitions(sda1 and sda2) used by win 7 from ntfs to ext4. in the slackware booting screen I can see that slack says it couldn't find ntfs partitions sda1 and sda2. so now how can i tell slack that they are now changed to ext4? thanks [10:26] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:26] edit fstab [10:27] hughszg: define the partition types in /etc/fstab [10:27] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] SunTzu: so the error message during the booting was caused by the fstab? [10:27] no [10:27] but I don't think sda1 sda2 defined in the fstab when they are NTFS [10:28] it's tryign to mount them as ntfs, as specified in /etc/fstab [10:28] hughszg: so explicidly define and mount them as ext4 [10:28] win isnt smart enuf to dual boot [10:28] use grub [10:28] or lilo, which is what slackware uses [10:28] phrag, i selected to automount sda1 2 in the slack setup. but i didn't find them in fstab [10:29] i believe these info should be stored somewhere [10:29] hughszg: then perhaps they are called something else [10:29] hughszg: no, it's stored in fstab in slack [10:29] SunTzu: bullshit [10:30] automounting works by reading the partition headers and 'guessing'... but slack uses fstab to explicidly define [10:31] phrag, then may I change the way automounting works? [10:31] as sda1 2 are now ext4, not NTFS like before. how to tell automounting the change? [10:31] slackware won't automount anything not defined in /etc/fstab at boot time, unless HAL is enabled and being used [10:32] hughszg: LISTEN PLEASE [10:32] edit /etc/fstab [10:32] phrag, ok, then i will check fstab first [10:32] hal shouldn't do anything on its own either [10:33] window managers can use hal to do some automounting magic, but the system below hal isn't smart enough to do it [10:33] phrag,you are right. [10:33] /dev/sda1 /mnt/c_drive ntfs-3g umask=000 1 0 [10:33] /dev/sda2 /mnt/d_drive ntfs-3g umask=000 1 0 [10:33] i will do the change to fstab and reboot to see the change [10:33] thanks, all [10:34] <_RadioHead> init ~ [10:34] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:35] hughszg (hugh@58.33.151.130) left ##slackware. [10:37] hitest: hey :) [10:37] Hello everyone [10:37] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@h80ad23df.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. 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[10:44] Cryp71c: cdrecord / growisofs [10:44] Zordrak, oh ok, I knew there were ui-specific ones (KDE/Gnome dependent), for a second I thought there wouldn't be any others shipped with slackware by default [10:45] yeh, k3b is the UI burner.. [10:46] gar0t0: hi [10:47] crap and damn, i have a pdf-1.6 file that i cant read with pdftotext [10:47] suggestions? [10:47] okular [10:47] xpdf [10:47] not here; dont want to use xpdf [10:48] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:48] no okular here [10:48] SunTzu, then give a cat on the file and use your matrix powers to read it [10:48] Thankies! [10:48] Cryp71c (Cryp71c@173-162-21-124-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left ##slackware. [10:50] never a good thing when df hangs [10:53] i'd only worry if you had disk errors filling up syslog trying to write to bad sectors [10:53] now, thats really fun [10:59] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.95.44) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:01] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-julexiqpvadaxxrb) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:03] john_dee (~id@95-29-182-223.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:03] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [11:04] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [11:09] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:10] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Client Quit [11:10] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:12] strato_ (~strato@f048203134.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:14] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:14] strato_ (~strato@g227167255.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:14] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [11:16] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:22] dissociative (~dissociat@190.71.18.174) joined ##slackware. [11:23] how does one handle lzma archives in distributions earlier than slackware 13.0? [11:23] or I guess I better upgrade to 13 [11:25] or install xz yourself [11:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:30] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [11:33] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:35] adrenaline (~repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) joined ##slackware. [11:35] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [11:36] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:37] WTF?! Hom do i have a load average of 1.1 when no processes are doing anything and htop is top in htops usage list [11:38] nothing waiting for I/O ? [11:39] cpu 99.9% idle, iotop shows bugger all i/o [11:39] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:40] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:41] just waiting to see if it levels out... but it might have been an instance of tail [11:42] and im still worried about df hanging after only one lv [11:43] ooh, htop is really nice! [11:43] somethings really not good here and i dont know what.. the loadavg is still climbing but i cant see a responsible process [11:44] nor can i see why df hangs [11:45] whats iowait like? [11:45] nowt [11:45] lol, you from NE england? [11:45] GOTCHA.. you little bastard! [11:45] yes [11:46] well.. central/north [11:46] Zordrak: aha, i'm from newcastle (still here) =P [11:46] depends how you look at it [11:46] phrag: in sheffield atm [11:46] 'nowt' gave it away =P [11:46] what was the problem? [11:46] the problem was an automount process that went D on me [11:47] I was asked to apply for an Iowa IT job, but I don't want to move to Des Moines. [11:47] i hate autofs [11:47] i cant wait to be shot of it [11:49] yes.. big surprise.. kill automount and umount the associated NFS dirs and bam.. all is well [11:49] load avg now 0.[2 [11:49] load avg now 0.02 [11:51] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:53] im out. ttfn [11:58] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.95.44) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:02] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [12:02] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:03] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:04] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:05] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:05] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:06] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [12:06] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:06] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [12:07] I want to set up a proxy to be used as default by the system for ALL the traffic. What should I choose? [12:08] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Client Quit [12:10] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [12:10] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:10] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Client Quit [12:13] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Azeotrope: Something like this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/TransparentProxy.html [12:15] thanks [12:15] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] what do you think? is a 1GB RAM, 1.7GHz CPU netbook suitable for a proxy server? [12:16] Khratos (~khratos@190.80.226.201) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:16] tewmten (tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [12:17] That would probably work for most situations, but it probably depends on the amount of traffic. [12:18] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590B01.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] normal end-user traffic [12:19] Hi, is there prevision to the next version of slackware? [12:19] hello slackers! i need help connecting to the internet [12:19] nph0rm: how are you connecting to the internet? [12:19] who can help?! I have Slackware 13 and TP-Link TL-WN321G (RT73usb) [12:20] did you load the module? [12:20] Ralink? Those should be easy, but I have never done one personally. [12:20] i don't at all yet, i am on another windows computer now [12:21] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rt73usb [12:21] rodrigolanes (~rodrigola@189.98.53.205) joined ##slackware. [12:22] FYI that is the first hit from "linux RT73usb", and it should link you to everything you will need. [12:22] ok, so how to get it running? lsmod has modules running [12:22] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:22] dmesgdmesg says wlan0: associated [12:22] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.142.227) joined ##slackware. [12:23] but i can't see the adapter in wpa_gui [12:23] nph0rm: what does iwconfig say? [12:23] i do dual-boot with slack and winXP... am i a sinner? [12:23] adamk: any idea how I could install Slackware or other linux on a netbook that has no screen? [12:23] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:23] dios_mio: yes. [12:23] dios_mio: yes [12:23] zepfred (~Fred@200.131.208.34) left irc: Quit: Saindo [12:23] Khratos (~khratos@190.80.226.201) joined ##slackware. [12:23] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [12:23] hey, this is impossible, i actually HAVE internet! LOOOL [12:24] thx a lot dudes [12:24] Congrats welcome [12:24] Azeotrope: Nope. [12:24] never thought it'd be that easy.... hahahahaa [12:24] Azeotrope: Well, actually, if you have a serial port, and a null modem cable, you could use a serial console. [12:25] v4nelle (~van@188.4.156.227.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:25] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590B01.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [12:25] But I'd be surprised if a netbook had a serial port. [12:25] rodrigolanes (~rodrigola@189.98.53.205) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:25] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590B01.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Khratos (~khratos@190.80.226.201) left irc: Client Quit [12:26] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:26] another question: is this the official slackware irc channel? [12:27] adamk: actually theu don't even have optical units [12:28] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] nph0rm: ## designates unofficial. [12:29] nph0rm: otoh, if there's a more official channel, I have yet to hear of it. [12:29] That said, it's as official as it gets. [12:29] ahhh ok i c thx [12:29] Freenode doesn't consider it the official channel for paperwork reasons. [12:29] There's a much LESS official channel in ##slackware-offtopic [12:29] so, i am a new slacker. worship me :D [12:30] Action: jkwood blinks [12:30] nph0rm: We'll worship you once you prove you can RTFM before asking questions :P [12:30] fail [12:30] nph0rm: #ubuntu [12:30] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [12:30] ok, nice atmosphere here. i like you too, guys [12:31] hehe [12:32] i'm so glad i got the internet running... you can't imagine [12:33] Having done so on multiple machines running multiple kernels, I probably can. ;) [12:33] rathertedious (~mcizek@209-33-175-191.ip.mcleodusa.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Glad you got it sorted out. =) [12:35] looking for some insight here. trying to get xmonad on slack to compile, but says I need X version 1.5 up to 1.6. looks like slack comes with 1.3. I haven't checked current yet, but I don't think it would make that big of a leap. any insight from someone who's ran it? [12:35] running slack13. [12:36] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-trlxjrjcoubavryh) joined ##slackware. [12:38] |Emeau| (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-24-246.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [12:38] rathertedious: Slackware 13 comes with Xorg server 1.6. Maybe it would be best if you pastebin'ed the exact error. [12:39] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:39] adamk: it stopped configuring at this step: X11 >=1.5.0.0 && <1.6, mtl -any [12:39] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:40] so do you have any tips for me on slackware?<1.6 says it [12:40] rathertedious: Pastebin the config.log file. [12:41] dafydd (~dafydd@calgary.userful.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:42] It looks like that version of xmonad won't compile because the X server is too new. [12:42] that was my guess too. dcan't find the config.log. not sure which step dependency checking is. [12:42] my screen-mode gets corrupted every boot. how can i fix this? i use 318, but every boot it says: unknown mode 316..... [12:43] and i need to enter 318 again [12:43] flity (~foolity@123.121.3.98) joined ##slackware. [12:43] nph0rm: edit lilo and change 316 to 318? [12:43] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:45] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:45] thanks all. [12:45] rathertedious: Are you using the slackbuild for xmonad? [12:46] adamk: yes through sbopkg [12:46] not sure how updated it is though [12:46] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-24-246.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:47] i am using vga=790 in lilo.conf, thats 1024x768x32 correct why does it get corrupted every boot? [12:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] hexdump_ (~ballsdeep@cpe-71-79-14-136.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: [12:48] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:48] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [12:48] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [12:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-64-178.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:49] nph0rm: Well, could be a number of things. What's your graphic chip? [12:50] eviljames: nv25 [12:51] nph0rm: NVidia? I think you're best sticking with a text console and booting rl4 [12:51] yes, its nvidia [12:51] i can boot with 1024x768x32 but i have to choose it every time [12:52] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) left ##slackware. [12:52] nph0rm: Oh, well, did you set a line like that in lilo.conf and re-run lilo ? [12:52] yes, the correct graphics mode is selected in lilo [12:53] Did you run 'lilo' after setting the correct mode in lilo.conf? [12:53] no, i'm booting from floppy, does it change anything? [12:54] lilo does not read lilo.conf each time it boots up. [12:54] You edit the configuration file and then run 'lilo' to write it to the boot device. [12:55] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:57] ok thanks for the advice, i'll try it later [12:58] rathertedious (mcizek@209-33-175-191.ip.mcleodusa.net) left ##slackware. [12:59] atof (~chatzilla@119.93.42.220) joined ##slackware. [12:59] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:03] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn-128.95-102-94.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:04] fire|bird_ (~fire|bird@173-18-62-17.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:09] it seems not to be installe [13:09] d [13:09] then install it [13:09] nph0rm: it is in extra/ [13:09] i installed everything [13:10] ahh ok, it need seperate install, huh [13:10] extra/ does not get installed by everything [13:10] i c [13:10] nph0rm: Remember what I said about reading the books. This channel can get vicious if you beg to have your hand held. Nobody minds helping for issues that are not well documented though. [13:10] that's why it's extra [13:10] nph0rm: not all wireless cards support nickname [13:11] In fact, wireless is a mess. [13:11] Rather, it can be. [13:11] it's only a mess when you don't use the can opener [13:12] that white van is still there. [13:12] but i don't get it, why it worked last boot and now it doesn't.... ok i'll use wicd now [13:12] can opener? i use the "how lies more" opener =)) [13:14] what van? where? [13:14] pay no attention to the feds in the white van. [13:14] simplex (~simplex@78.46.45.123) joined ##slackware. [13:14] ok [13:14] Action: SunTzu peeks behind the curtain out hte window [13:15] You are eaten by a grue. [13:15] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:15] can't be feds if the van is white - be _extra_ careful [13:15] eviljames: why is this with the vicious channel? [13:15] nph0rm boredom mostly [13:15] and no problems worthy of attention [13:15] nods [13:15] nph0rm: Because there are a fair number of people who come in here asking things like: "How do I start X? Why doesn't Slackware have a GUI installer?" etc. etc. [13:15] ok we're OT!!! [13:15] yay [13:16] SunTzu: where we're going, we don't need topics. [13:16] yay [13:16] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] i can troll witht the best of em [13:16] extra attention? why? [13:16] amazon10x: agreed, everything is relevant in that moment, regarding the slackware os [13:16] the feds have to work within guidelines [13:17] haha, good one alisonken1home :P [13:17] so in Slackware, how is AreNold gonna save cali-forn-ya? [13:17] slackware aint an os [13:17] No more termenator. I'm goverrnor now [13:17] reboot and load a new government. [13:17] lol [13:18] what about the "money" and IOUs? [13:18] cant let Bind do it [13:18] talk to *buntu or canonical [13:18] money and iou's are in a tmpfs [13:18] lol [13:18] no, a swapfs [13:20] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [13:20] I read some place that in a couple of yrs 3D graphics will be so advanced that they could render a scene with the same detail level as in real world. spooky [13:20] Azeotrope there's a bible verse about that. [13:20] Reaver1 (Joachim@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [13:21] Azeotrope: it can already get pretty close [13:21] SunTzu: witch one? [13:21] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Azeotrope: if you are referring to "real-time" rendering, then that's different [13:21] NaCl: you're doing 3D graphics? what do you use? [13:21] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.122.212) joined ##slackware. [13:21] I just know about it [13:21] NaCl: yes, real-time [13:21] eviljames: so that means, newbs should not use Slackware, or did i get you wrong? [13:21] Azeotrope the one that says that the idol of the lawless one talks [13:22] Azeotrope: you can get crazy-realistic with ray tracers [13:22] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:23] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Client Quit [13:23] SunTzu: won't that be artifficial intelligence? [13:23] Except that rendering those things can take *forever* [13:23] it might [13:23] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [13:23] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Azeotrope i'm not fool enough to declare something impossible in the face of prophecy :) [13:24] besides, i wont be here when that stuff goes down :) [13:24] how's that? [13:24] what? not being here? [13:25] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:25] yes [13:25] nph0rm: That's not quite what I'm saying, amigo. Just that the first thing to learn is where to find documentation. [13:25] 1thes, being removed with the rest of the body of christ. [13:26] SunTzu: rapture? [13:26] no christ talk here. BoB only [13:26] yeah, move religious debate to ##slackware-offtopic [13:26] yes [13:26] i dint start this tread [13:26] It happens regularly and often there. Gets very exciting at times :P [13:26] do you get paid commission? :p [13:26] there's no debate; it's just a convo. [13:26] random, random question... anyone have an android-based phone? [13:26] not me [13:27] nph0rm: As the old saying goes: "Slackware: as user friendly as a rattlesnake." I've heard worse things said about the community ;) [13:27] Necos: Droid over here. [13:27] Necos: Well, the Canada version - Milestone. [13:27] ej, have you heard of a app called mybackup? [13:27] Necos: Nope. What's it do? [13:27] thrice` Bob *IS* anointed. [13:27] lol [13:27] it's supposed to be a backup program for droid-based phones... [13:27] I've found this channel very helpful [13:28] eviljames: do you agree with me, that the time spend on information retrieval, that it is more efficient to ask experienced people, than to look on the web by your own [13:28] nph0rm: I disagree entirely. What happens when you go to the community and they say: "it's well documented, we can't be bothered" ? [13:28] nph0rm, not necessarily... you should probably be doing both :P [13:28] necos: verizon droid [13:28] nph0rm: efficient? sure. will it get you nasty response? of course. [13:29] nph0rm: Learning how/where to find documentation efficiently is probably the most important skill you can have. Not just in Slackware, but in life in general. [13:29] Anyway, people should be awat. Some day man will worship technology... if he doesn't do that now... [13:29] s/awat/aware [13:29] have you heard of the app i mentioned alisonken1home? [13:29] not yet [13:29] it's like asking if robbing people would be an efficient method of acquiring cash. [13:29] ananke heh [13:29] ananke, lol [13:29] sure, i agree, but i can tell you: please be patient with noobs! thats for life in general [13:29] nph0rm, http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ [13:29] it's not. [13:29] Necos: Well, I don't know what I would want to back up. My contacts/emails/calendar are all synced with my GOOG acct. The 16GB card it comes with shows itself as a mass storage device. [13:30] it's to backup sms/emails/etc... [13:30] emails are kept on google mail - the droid just accesses google for that [13:30] same for contacts [13:30] nph0rm: imho, and this is just my opinion, #ubuntu can be patient with noobs. Slackware has a few expectations that come along with it. In particular, that you have some idea of what you're doing :P [13:30] one of the staff members is trying to recover their data from the program, and i'm kind of at a loss as to how to read it lol [13:31] nph0rm: it's a two way street. you can't expect people being nice to you, if you limit your options to offloading from people [13:31] or at least some idea of a coherent question [13:31] q [13:31] wq [13:31] hahaha [13:31] someone's using vim [13:31] alreadygone: hahaha help vampire. that's crap! [13:31] I get mad at myself every time I type su on IRC [13:31] nah, i'm dreaming on my kbd :) [13:31] lol ej [13:32] Because I know there's a half dozen people thinking "come on... now the password... come on...!" [13:32] it probably has something to do with goatse :P [13:32] eviljames: hmm i have to think about that [13:32] i'm dreaming about a Forth IDE & Shell [13:32] and a new linux dist. [13:32] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:33] the cake is a lie SunTzu >.> [13:33] what cake? [13:33] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [13:33] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4AF39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:33] there's no cake, it's cheese cake. [13:33] :P [13:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:35] nph0rm another issue to keep in mind is that "more experienced people" might not want to spend their time answering questions that could be found on google... [13:35] hey now - I like cheesecake [13:35] brb [13:35] mmmm... cheesecake [13:35] me too ken [13:35] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Action: alreadygone like cakes in general [13:36] an impromptu bday party for me last week featured cheese cake and canned whipped cream [13:36] mancha: they dont have to, but maybe there are people who will [13:36] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:36] so you are an Aries SunTzu ... [13:36] it's fun to watch someone rationalize hand-holding :) [13:36] premature party; the 28th next. [13:37] i dont do astrological crap :) [13:37] A taurean, like myself. [13:37] sister was in town [13:37] i always do rationalize everything, even solving the mystery of the female mind :) [13:37] all girls are crazy! [13:37] nph0rm, no point trying that [13:38] that's an aximoronic statement that cannot be refooted. [13:38] SunTzu i tried, and i was successful [13:38] pff liar [13:38] lol [13:38] just google for PickUpArtist PUA [13:38] how to PickUp women [13:38] let's not and say I did [13:38] this is an underground community [13:38] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-1-187.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-1-187.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [13:38] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [13:39] ok, this is completely OT [13:39] nooooo [13:39] pff [13:39] Fragile feelings are the biggest pet peeve of mine on IRC. People who get free help really need to be gracious about it, even if they perceive something injurious to their ego. When they whine, I ignore. [13:39] does the lzma program comes in a/xz? [13:39] i hate whiners [13:39] i just wanted to share some wisdom.... [13:39] ok [13:39] winders, however hehe [13:39] xz is lzma on speed [13:39] er winers [13:39] nph0rm: I've read lots of Robert Greene, I don't need the PUA community. They're usually douches anyway :P [13:40] nph0rm: But, that does belong in ##slackware-offtopic [13:40] winners? [13:40] thrice`: and yes, I get paid a commission from fire|bird :P [13:40] winers [13:40] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:40] winos! [13:40] wieners [13:40] which reminds me, do you guys read those MSFT security bulletins where they describe a vuln and the solution? and dedicate a paragraph or two about how "the exploit was not disclosed responsibly blah blah" [13:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-64-178.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:40] mancha: hahaha "Hello pot? Meet the kettle." [13:40] nop; but whose fault is that? [13:41] and wth does "disclosed responsibily" mean? [13:41] someone yelled from the root top? [13:41] dissociative the answer is yes, it is part of xz-utils [13:42] eviljames: i don't know robert Greene, but i agree on the douchebags (this term needs to be defined) [13:42] i think they meant kept secret and told to MSFT so they could patch within the year instead of reported on a mailing list forcing them to get off their ass and patch within the week. [13:42] nph0rm: Join us in the other chan, let's not clutter up here with way OT stuff. I'll tell you all about Greene, it will change your life. [13:42] mancha rly? [13:43] that's lame [13:43] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] responsible disclosure usually means notifying the vendor first, and giving them a reasonable chance to create a fix. [13:44] i like the places that have a set window. like contact vendor, wait 48 hours, if no answer, make public. [13:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [13:44] just tell google. [13:46] msft in the past has ignored or put off patching privately reported bugs...many vulnerability reporters can attest to that. as a result people decided to use the pressure of openness, transparency, and sunshine, to motivate the folks at Redmond. This worked but they don't like it o'er at MSFT [13:46] well if m# is gonna "be evil" then be pavlovian about it. peer pressure (business acumen) works when used correctly. [13:47] ring their bell! [13:47] and watch 'em drool? [13:47] hehe yea [13:47] flity (~foolity@123.121.3.98) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:48] they sort of paved their own path onthis...had they been responsive to start i think people wouldn't have been so eager to report publicly first. [13:48] you reap what you sow [13:49] exactamundo [13:49] or, as my peers said when we were children, "what goes around, comes around" [13:49] which, until lately i couldnt associate with that verse you quotd [13:49] v4nelle (~van@188.4.156.227.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:49] but the latter is an excellent restatement of the former [13:51] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-239-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] monoluX (monolyte@95.169.50.239) joined ##slackware. [13:51] mornin' slackers [13:52] hi [13:52] Anyone here familiar with proftpd site exec feature? [13:52] monoluX: you should just ask your question [13:52] monoluX: no one likes meta questions [13:52] heh [13:52] i like meta [13:53] meta* [13:53] lol, ominus [13:53] i dont want to argue; i want to argue about arguing. [13:53] __n0v4__ (~n0v4@59.93.207.5) joined ##slackware. [13:53] __n0v4__ (~n0v4@59.93.207.5) left irc: Client Quit [13:53] SunTzu: asking meta questions (like "can I ask a question [about $SOMETHING]" or "someone familiar with $SOMETHING") is a bad habit [13:54] tha'ts the wrong question [13:54] ok, lemme rephrase, how do i enable the SITE EXEC feature on the proftpd, i have compiled the daemon with the mod_exec module, but FTPd says when i FEAT : "Command not understood" [13:55] monoluX see http://www.proftpd.net [13:55] prowled the web for answers to it, but none of them helped [13:55] for cheatsheet [13:55] larn2google too [13:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-77-79.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] I have a hostapd 0.7.1 access point on 2.6.33.2 kernel using an atheros chipset (ar5008, wifi pci card). My problem is that the client won't connect to the ap. I get *deauthenticated due to local deauth request* or *deauthenticated due to inactivity*. The verbose hostapd shows like this http://pastebin.org/151214 [13:58] Azeotrope: have you tried posting about in this is some mailing list and/or forum that is specialized to stuff like that? [13:58] like maybe #madwifi ? [13:59] does xulrunner necessarily require jdk? [13:59] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4AF39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.4/20100404005729] [13:59] sahk0: no... but i tried #linux #wireless #linux-wireless etc [13:59] mancha: of course not [13:59] which is the easiest or quicker way to grab a folder from a ftp site? [13:59] using mc [13:59] Azeotrope: the irc is hardly the best place for such issues imo [13:59] sahk0 excellent news, i was misinformed then, [13:59] mancha "malformed?" [13:59] lol [14:00] that too but i don't talk about that in mixed company [14:00] lol [14:00] coward [14:00] v4nelle (~van@79.107.238.13) joined ##slackware. [14:00] kline must've worn off.. bad for us [14:00] being snarky is so much phun [14:02] dissociative: have you looked at wget? [14:02] yep but wget grabs like all directory hierarchy in the way that I tried [14:02] dissociative: like for example "wget -r -l 1 ftp://$URL" [14:03] dissociative: can you post what you have tried? [14:03] mancha: the most efficient way if you mean to build a seperate xulrunner is probably to do it using the firefox source imo. all the mozilla products include it and afterwards it would take them 2-3 minutes to compile [14:04] van_ (~van@ipa249.12.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:05] how do you install slackware or other linux onto a netbook that has no optical drive or screen? [14:05] v4nelle (~van@79.107.238.13) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:05] PXE [14:06] these apparently normal guys on #slackware talk all sorts of nonsense on #slackware-offtopic [14:06] Azeotrope: usb [14:06] akira42: no I mean the recursive option also recreates the directory tree where is contained the directory that I need [14:06] alreadygone: it is "offtopic" [14:06] alreadygone: anybody in here is not "normal" [14:07] wget -r ftpurl [14:07] sahko, i think i am going to go with their pre-packaged binary [14:08] i have intentionally not built xulrunner with my ff, i want that package to be lean [14:09] dissociative: and why is this a problem? [14:09] alreadygone: darn tootin'! That's the whole point of an ot channel :P [14:09] does not mean you morons can say those things about Bible... religion etc [14:10] alreadygone: wanna bet? [14:10] I need just the folder with its content [14:10] not something like a mirror [14:10] forget it [14:11] alreadygone: Don't know what they're saying because I avoid that place like the plague, but if it's waht I think it is, they're poor misinformed souls or idiots, and not worth your time (pearls before swine and all that.) [14:12] s/idiots/trolls/ [14:12] ok jkwood [14:13] looks like I missed some fun when someone got trolled [14:13] jkwood: c'mon now. ##slackware-offtopic was founded by eviljames (December 2, 2009) and I'm also there, it's hardly a place filled with trolls (although there are a couple) [14:13] firebird is the #1 troll there [14:13] easily. I'm a distant #2 :( [14:14] Its a case of someone's view clouding the fact that free speech is alive and well... and people are free to have opinions about whatever they want, whenever they want. [14:14] Oh, I don't avoid it because I don't think I'd enjoy myself. I just don't have the free time to devote to it, which I know I would want to. [14:14] how do i install slack if i don't have a screen on that computer? [14:14] and while free speech is a great thing, it is not without limits [14:14] jkwood: Yeah.. ##slackware and WoW are you two biggest time consumers [14:14] eviljames: yeah, you gotta step your game up man. :P [14:14] mancha: Never said it didn't have limits [14:14] i know, i am adding [14:15] stop being so defensive!@#$$& [14:15] mancha: Sure, the limit on free speech is when you deny others the same right. [14:15] or when you harm? [14:15] In all fairness, this is the internet - assuming the presence of trolls is not unreasonable. ;) [14:15] mancha: for example: 11:07 < alreadygone> does not mean you morons can say those things about Bible... religion etc [14:15] mancha: Stop talking about me! [14:15] Action: Dominian throws a fit [14:15] Hey now, I haven't played WoW in a month, and this is the most I've talked in ## in quite a while as well. [14:15] mancha: heheheh [14:15] the old yelling fire in a theater thng [14:16] :) [14:16] jkwood: suuuuuuuure [14:16] mancha: I much prefer the stance of Delahunt, who seems to go for debate instead of censorship. [14:16] van_ (~van@ipa249.12.tellas.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:16] evil, oh we are talking about online irc dicussions? yeah totally favor free exchange over censorship [14:17] i was just imagining situations (more in r/l) where free speech might be restrained (not eliminated) [14:18] mancha: lol, in ##slackware-offtopic, not much is restrained. [14:18] if anything [14:18] v4nelle (~van@79.107.222.195) joined ##slackware. [14:18] dunno, never have stepped foot in said place :> [14:18] Yeah.. fire|bird is always running around in his leotard [14:18] We started a petition to stop it.. we failed [14:19] mancha: It's the type of place you'd either love it, or hate it. [14:19] mancha: I'm a Canadian - we have exactly those limits on free speech. Disseminating hate, causing harm to others, things like that. [14:19] Dominian: hahaha, you're just jealous because you don't have a leotard of your own. :P [14:19] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:19] dissociative (~dissociat@190.71.18.174) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:20] What would be the right way to have hostapd(8) invoked for a wireless interface? Is there some hook in rc.{inet1,wireless}.conf that I am not seeing? [14:20] evil, as soon as you folks start pronouncing the letter "O", you will be annexed! [14:20] Action: mancha ducks [14:20] lol [14:20] oscillator (~oscillato@232.Red-88-8-251.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] (sorry for being on-topic here) [14:21] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [14:21] rob0: I would expect to make an rc.hostapd or equiv and have it called from rc.local [14:21] good afternoon smokers and passive smokers [14:22] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-phgxaoioqafbprve) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:22] rc.local would work, but it doesn't seem right to me. [14:22] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.142.227) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:23] fire|bird, to be honest I'm at a loss when people argue about religion. It just comes down to what people believe, and the ones arguing are not likely to change their beliefs by arguing. Just seems pointless... [14:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-77-79.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:23] (and no, I'm tired of the proliferation of the rc.* files, I'd just run hostapd from there directly.) [14:24] dive: yeah, for the most part, when religious debate happens in OT, I just wander off and do something else. I've nothing against those who want to discuss it, etc. just not something I want to delve into. [14:25] fire|bird, same. [14:26] rob0: rc.* files give you the ability to turn services on/off at boot time via chmod [14:27] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:28] alienBOB: sorry to flag you on this, but I know it's your area, could you look at my question at 18:19 (~8 minutes ago) UTC please? [14:28] eviljames, yes, if you add the shell code to check for the mode. [14:28] dios_mio (mirc@88.243.0.218) joined ##slackware. [14:29] rob0: Why wouldn't you add that code? [14:29] atof (~chatzilla@119.93.42.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:31] i tried to connect to my AP with win7 and it sais i have limited connectivity to my access point. what's that? [14:31] Because I don't really need the start/stop bells and whistles, and rc.d is already too cluttered IMO. A single line to start the daemon is plenty for my purpose. [14:32] Azeotrope: ask in #windows [14:34] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.122.212) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [14:34] how do i give internet to my clients connecting to the AP? sharing eth0 i mean [14:34] monoluX (monolyte@95.169.50.239) left irc: Quit: XP [14:35] Azeotrope: i suggest you use google for your various questions [14:36] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:36] slackfan (~slackfan@194.25.214.106) joined ##slackware. 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[14:41] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Disconnected by services [14:42] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [14:43] has anynone seen this -> df -h /dev/sda3 7.8G 7.1G 304M 96% /usr [14:43] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.95.44) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:43] du -hs /usr/ 5.2G /usr/ [14:43] inodes -> /dev/sda3 2.0M 198K 1.9M 10% /usr [14:45] anyone seen this? [14:46] ok. so? [14:47] Azeotrope: see the difference between du and df. [14:48] estranho: do you have a seperate /usr partition? [14:48] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:48] i believe du just estimates [14:49] is du run as root? [14:49] seems he has [14:49] sahk0: yes. [14:49] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pidobzvgvahcretz) joined ##slackware. [14:49] mancha: yes [14:50] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:50] so df says the partition with /usr is 7.8G full and du says 5.2G? [14:50] estranho: can you run du with -s ? does it give the same result as above? [14:51] errm not with . i mean *without* [14:52] mancha: hint: inode usage v. actual blocks used [14:52] i have a 10 gb diff [14:53] rob0: rc.wireless is not meant to start network daemons, you should either add your own rc.hostapd as was suggested earlier, or add some lines to rc.local [14:53] mancha: tons of articles online regarding that, i had that issues on a server where supposed deleted files werent deleted used lsof to hunt them down [14:53] *issue [14:54] estranho was my statement accurate, the two report a 2.6G difference? [14:54] hostapd? i have problems with hostapd [14:55] really? [14:58] alienBOB, my thinking is that this is not really a standard network daemon. This is what puts the interface into master mode. Thus I think it belongs in rc.wireless or rc.inet1 (granted, that Slackware does not include hostapd.) [14:58] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:58] sahk0: mancha yes. 2.6G difference. [14:59] estranho, i would follow xsamurai's advice. you probably have orphaned or mis-deleted files. [14:59] i ran sync, but without success. [14:59] try lsof | grep usr [15:00] Azeotrope: mine works fine. Client asssociated on its first try, and the connection works. [15:00] see if there is any big file(s) that are no longer there but someone thinks they ar [15:00] actually, how bout "lsof|grep DEL"? [15:01] IIRC, lsof shows you DEL in the file type column, if the file's deleted [15:01] rob0: I just hinted at the possibilities. There will not be a provision for hostapd in Slackware [15:03] Interesting. Thanks. [15:03] rob0 (rob0@tuxaloosa.org) left ##slackware ("bye"). [15:03] ok [15:06] few files were deleted. [15:06] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [15:06] 50 files. [15:07] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:08] ok, close whatever process owns those deleted files [15:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-1-187.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] practor (~franz@241.216.199-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [15:09] if what is happening is happening (straggler fd's) then you should see df drop down to du's level. [15:09] *if what i think is happening is happening [15:10] practor (~franz@241.216.199-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:12] as a sanity check for you... I just ran du and df on the /usr partition of my desktop box... df says 7.9G used, du says 7.7G, and lsof doesn't show any deleted files open in /usr... pretty sure nothing's wrong with it either, du and df just don't quite agree even when things are working as they should [15:13] that might be rounding error in the math. they should align if this are good. [15:13] yeah, I used -h for both [15:13] he has a 2.8GB discrepancy, this is not acceptable. [15:13] sure it is [15:13] practor (~franz@241.216.199-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] df is counting sectors and du is counting filesizes [15:13] on the other hand: du doesn't count hard links twice [15:14] you're bound to have some slack especially with a lot of missing files [15:14] er small file [15:14] this is surreal [15:14] mkdir one; cd one; dd if=/dev/zero of=one bs=1M count=10; du -sh .; ln one two; du -sh . [15:14] so that discrepency would be smaller with a smaller sector size, but that has its own tradeoff [15:15] let me get this right, you are claiming that in an fs with 5.2GB of files, a difference of 2.8GB (or 54%) is acceptable becuase of un-maximized block usage? [15:15] du reports the same size both times (and it's 11M, or 10250K, at least on a reiser v3 filesystem) [15:15] you don't share sectors between files [15:15] what planet are you rom? [15:15] 2.8 gigs seems way too much to be accounted for by rounding errors [15:15] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:15] the real one [15:16] like i said it all depends on how the files are being used, if you have lots of little files, then yeah it grows fast [15:16] well in my universe 58% is not acceptable or explainable by your slack argument [15:16] which is why they have selectable sector sizes [15:16] but if there are some large hardlinked files, plus deleted ones that aren't really gone, that might account for it [15:16] so you can configure it to suit your usage and minimize the least amount of waste [15:16] yes, we can constuct an extreme case by making tons of hard links (as urch hinted) but we're not in the extreme case [15:17] also du allows for hard link re-count [15:17] du -lsh would help remove that source of error [15:17] i only see a difference of .2gb [15:18] echo "7.8-5.2" | bc [15:18] heh. Also: "echo foo > one ; du -sh one"... it shows me 4K used for a 3 byte file... so it's not counting exact file sizes in bytes, it's counting allocation units [15:18] (same as df does) [15:19] well then i would guess one is counting reserved space or something [15:19] its still only 200mb [15:20] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: workshop [15:20] and ext3 behaves the same way as reiser (seems to me, sometime in the past, du behaved differently on different filesystems, but this would be 10+ years ago and my memory is full of holes...) [15:20] i'd of never even thought to compare them before [15:21] ... [15:21] estranho did you remove the offending process(es) ? [15:21] me either, but back then something weird happened, and I tracked it down to that... can't remember details now though [15:21] estranho ignore those who say 2.6GB is acceptable [15:22] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-94-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [15:22] (back when this happened, the 2.4 kernel hadn't yet come out, and reiserfs for 2.2 kernels was an unsupported patch, only used it because the boss was fascinated by the idea of journalling filesystems) [15:23] i like reiserfs, it recovers after an unclean shutdown the best and with the least intervention [15:24] I've had good results with reiserfs... though I've heard horror stories about reiserfsck making a mess of things, on the occasions where something does go wrong [15:25] i've had disasters with ext3, i'll never use that again [15:25] hm, I was just about to say, I've also had good results with ext3 :) [15:25] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.24) joined ##slackware. [15:25] on a raid? [15:25] yeah [15:26] but, on a raid that, so far, hasn't developed any disk failures [15:26] i lost a drive and after the server rebooted, they both tried to reconstruct and just fubar'd the array [15:26] mancha: Yes, the area returned to normal. restarted apache. which is in /usr/local/apache [15:26] gcc 4.5 ! \o/ [15:26] old news [15:26] by "both", you mean what? ext3 and the raid driver both? [15:26] mancha: xsamurai sahk0 Azeotrope thanks. :D [15:26] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. [15:27] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.26.227) joined ##slackware. [15:27] yeah [15:27] estranho aha, apache was holding on to ghost files. cool. [15:27] du will always barf on miscounting bsd blocks v. linux blocks [15:27] and ext3 was trying to reconstruct with bad data [15:27] Should be there any problems with / fs and starting pc if i stop HAL? [15:28] Even usb devices everyting should work, right? [15:28] and there wasn't anyway for me to have ext3 wait until after the raid is synced befor doing anything [15:28] InTel_GB: only if you intend to use xorg and input hotplugging [15:28] InTel_GB, of course, but x.org and automounting will depend on hal [15:28] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-gygcgxzntiksktel) joined ##slackware. [15:29] sure there was: "linux init=/bin/sh" at the lilo prompt (of course, hindsight is 20/20, I wouldn't have known that was needed either) [15:29] that was raid 5 with ext3 and now i use raid 1 with reiserfs [15:29] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:29] hi [15:29] wait, that would only have helped if the ext3 fs in question wasn't the root filesystem [15:29] So can I stop it I can't understand - it can break X? [15:29] thrice`: what? gcc 4.5 old news? :o [15:30] wasn't that hours ago? [15:30] InTel_GB: if you use Slackware's xorg you cant [15:30] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-239-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:30] (but I assume nobody uses raid5 for a root filesystem, seems like a pain to set up, and not worth the effort) [15:30] no, it wasn't that big a deal [15:30] biker (~biker@201.170.88.1.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] I don't think x.org will even start with hal disabled, even if you kill AutoAddDevices [15:30] thrice`: less than 7 hours :P [15:30] you just set up the root partition as raid autodetect, install on it [15:30] xorg.conf? [15:31] thrice`: well, unless you user xorg-server-1.8 ;-) [15:31] then mk your raid [15:31] s/user/use/ [15:31] so i heard kde has a problem vuln, a race condition that can be used to screw with perms [15:31] Skywise: the slack installer has raid tools now? (it didn't, back when I last wished it did...) [15:31] mancha: KDM does. [15:31] circa slackware 8.0 probably [15:31] yeah theres been an announcement yesterday [15:32] evil, do you know what versions are affected? [15:32] I'm having trouble building libtorrent-rasterbar. The configure fails saying that it's unable to link to libboost_system-mt, but boost is installed! Another odd message in the configure is that it can't use -lpthreads! [15:32] here is a paste: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kjHYWAWS [15:32] mancha: iirc all from kde 2.2 onwards [15:32] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [15:32] ea_suter where is the lib stored? [15:32] /usr/lib64 [15:32] ok [15:33] urchlay, you don't need raid tools to set it up, when you mark the partitions to be in the raid with raid autodetect and you boot, then you mkraid [15:33] sahk0 aha, glad i don't use kde nor if i did would i graphically logon, but i'll look for a patch nonetheless [15:33] but I checked the original boost package and it doesn't seem to provide any pkg-config .pc files either... [15:33] ea_suter: if you really want to know what's going on, look at the config.log (or pastebin it). It actually shows what the configure script tried to do, and what the actual errors were [15:33] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] ea_suter were you messin wiht the libdirs before mesin with libtorrent today? [15:33] mancha: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&m=127117241504970&w=2 [15:34] SunTzu: no [15:34] ok [15:34] brb gonna check the log [15:34] aha, ok. i take it the patch is easily backportable [15:35] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-1-187.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:35] Urchlay, lemme say that another way, you install to a raidauto detect partition, then after you reboot from your install, you create your /etc/raidtab and your array gets constructed as a mirror of your install partition [15:35] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:35] greetings and salutations [15:35] hi schmi [15:35] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-1-187.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] anyway, theres a couple of how-tos on how to boot from raid5 [15:35] raid1 is the same way [15:36] Skywise: that makes sense... so during the installation, your raid autodetect partition is showing up as what? [15:36] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.26.227) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:36] type FD and theres no problem formatting and installing to that partition type [15:36] yah, I've set up booting from raid1 quite a few times, but generally on an existing installation, not with a fresh install [15:36] raid5 would be the same, the way I did it [15:37] so its essentially just a plain old linux partition [15:38] lamah (ghost@78.90.113.108) left ##slackware. [15:38] wait, you format the partition normally, stick a fs on it, then later on use mkraid to make that partition part of an array? that's kinda bad: the raid overhead makes the raid partition smaller than the plain one... so you've got a filesystem that thinks it's on a slightly bigger partition than it really is [15:39] it'll work OK until it starts getting full, then chaos will ensue, cats and dogs sleeping together, nazis riding dinosaurs in the streets again, etc. [15:40] lol [15:40] no, it works fine, you can even grow the array [15:40] seriously, we had a guy in here who had that exact problem (made a fs on a partition, mkraid on that partition plus another, and had data corruption nasties) [15:40] i get it [15:41] i think i know what the mistake was [15:41] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:41] you see, the way i did it, you could boot from either /dev/hda1 or /dev/md0 [15:41] booting from md0 will give you all the space [15:41] in his case, there was no real reason to do it that way, he could just as well done the mkraid first, then mkfs and copy data to it [15:42] booting from hda1 will only give you the space of that partition [15:43] pretty sure this guy wasn't booting from his busted raid device at all, it was mounted on /home or something [15:43] (been a while, and for the life of me I can't remember who it was now, a channel semi-regular I think) [15:44] Urchlay [work] lol [15:44] nazis on dinos [15:44] que loco [15:44] again... [15:46] sorry for the false alarm folks [15:46] :P [15:46] after examining the config.log I found that it was trying to link against the wrong library [15:46] I'm running current and the slackbuild is obviously for 13.0 [15:49] gar0t0_ (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:49] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:49] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [15:50] qneo (knao@adsl-dyn-128.95-102-94.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [15:50] Skywise: when you're in the installer with your type FD partition... are you running mkfs on and installing to /dev/md0? that ought to work... this guy was making his fs on /dev/hda1 (or whatever it was) [15:51] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [15:51] SunTzu: the show "drawn together" did a hilarious nazis-on-dinosaurs thing (they even had the luftwaffe on pterodactyls), somehow it stuck in my head [15:52] davi` (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [15:52] biker (~biker@201.170.88.1.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [15:52] ea_suter: if you manage to fix it so it works on -current, you could mail a copy to the maintainer (eventually -current will become 13.1, and he'll already have a script version that should work) [15:53] sahk0, ok, the patch is not directly applicable to earlier versions. [15:54] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:54] is kde2/3 no longer maintained for security? [15:55] Urchlay: I already did that ;) [15:57] ahmed-tux (~rhapsody@41.140.33.233) joined ##slackware. [15:58] mancha: KDE 3.x is pretty much an abandoned ship, it won't see any updates, etc. It's all kde4 now. [15:58] fire do you have a link to that official announcement? [15:59] ea_suter: rockin' [15:59] mancha: I had read it somewhere, this being a while ago though, I don't have the link around anywhere. [15:59] hey Urchlay [15:59] i'm curious, what do fellow slackers use as a music library/player? [15:59] practor: mocp [15:59] hay, uncouth|forlorn [15:59] elliot__ (~elliot@bzq-79-177-1-187.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] er, hey [15:59] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-1-187.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:00] metrofox: music on console? [16:00] practor: mpg123 if I'm doing something else and want background music, mplayer if I'm trying to figure out a song & need to be able to skip around to repeat a section [16:01] though I've also looked at mocp, it's very nice (but old habits die hard) [16:01] i don't play music cause i think i'd bother the guys at the colocation and i couldn't hear it anyway [16:01] heh. Play death metal from your server, those guys will freak out :) [16:02] i'm looking for good playlist + library management [16:02] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [16:02] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pidobzvgvahcretz) left irc: Quit: Go go go ... Rio Boat Show... go go go go go ... [16:03] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:03] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Client Quit [16:03] is there ascii music? [16:03] amarok used to be great [16:03] mocp might be good for that... I don't really care about library management, beyond the filesystem (like "mpg123 music/pink_floyd/the_wall/*.mp3") [16:03] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:04] practor, you can make easy all of this with python [16:04] oscillator: you mean write my own stuff? [16:04] yes [16:04] er, he's looking for music library management, and your solution is a programming language? [16:04] yes +- [16:05] i've been toying with the idea. [16:05] exaile is written in python [16:05] I mean, +1 geek points, but it's probably not what he was looking for... [16:05] practor: amarok still is great. I think it might still be missing "organize files", but "move to collection" works as expected. [16:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:05] Urchlay: I can provide some good freakout death metal music if need be! :P [16:06] eviljames: had weird probs with amarok's db since 2.x and the interface just felt clunkier [16:06] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435553.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:06] practor: 2.3.x are good, the git repo is better imho. The interface is still in a phase of mutation, but I think the endgame is to have it thoroughly customizable. [16:07] eviljames: ok i'll check it out [16:07] eviljames: how's your recording stuff coming along? [16:07] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:07] i moved to songbird for a while but now they've abandoned linux [16:07] Urchlay: Pretty well, actually. I have some demos recorded, tonight I work on a 'final' version of one of them, tomorrow the other. I have 4 more in the hopper, but they're still just sheet music atm. [16:07] A shame, it;s an amazing player all things considered. [16:08] practor: Yeah, what a kick in the bag that is. [16:08] yeah i was quite happy with it [16:08] practor: "So long, and thanks for all the fish!" [16:08] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:08] I pretty much said "the hell with it" after blowing up my video card (!) trying to get an emu10k1 card to work [16:08] hehe [16:08] davi` (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Quit: senate/irc:0.1b -- by cyberpunk.. [16:09] no more attempts to record on the computer until I have the cash to spend on a real audio interface [16:09] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Urchlay: hah WTF? I found a ca0106 card in a box yesterday, dunno if it even works. [16:10] Urchlay: do you remember which was the better interface? emu10k1 or ca0106? iirc they're both for versions of the audigy or something right? [16:10] the ca0106 (at least the one I had) was useless with jackd. The daemon would fail to start at all [16:11] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Urchlay: and I cannot emphasize enough how easy the jack hookup was with my tascam us100. Has Hi-Z input, so it lights up your pickups in a way similar to an amp. Is a pretty basic usb-audio device, and jack has zero xruns w/o rt kernel. [16:11] the emu10k1, I ripped out of the box after blowing up the video card (and before replacing the vid card, so I never tried it with jackd or anything) [16:11] dustybin (~dustybin@thinkdebian.org) joined ##slackware. [16:11] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [16:12] 1.5 tb WD drive for 89$ :o [16:12] that sounds like what I need. How much does the us100 generally go for? [16:12] andarius: wow! That's a great deal. [16:12] sluckxz (~sluckxz@anapnea.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:12] Urchlay: I bought mine brand new for $100CAD. [16:12] yeah, google's showing prices like $80 to $90 (USD) [16:13] i want to use a distro what keeps everything vanilla and raw, i want to be able to install and compile source code directly from project websites so i know im using the application just how it was intended, have i come to the right place? [16:13] dustybin: Sounds like you're in the right place indeed. [16:13] :D [16:13] i dont like the way distros bastardize applications [16:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:14] dustybin: with slack even the kernel is vanilla [16:14] Action: jkwood looks at dustybin's hostmask and hmms [16:14] jkwood: i have interest in 3 distros, slackware, redhat, and debian [16:15] Nothing wrong with that. =) [16:15] redhat & debian patch the hell out of any source code [16:15] Urchlay: I had the choice at similar price points for that or an M-Audio usb rig. This one didn't come with protools (which I wouldn't use anyway), just a metal-cased box. USB powered too, very portable. [16:15] alienBOB: yes i know, thats why i have come here to get away from it [16:15] Urchlay: Combined with my laptop I pretty much have a mobile studio.. except for the whole 1 in 1 out limitation. [16:15] yeah, I looked at guitar center, the guy could not comprehend the concept that I didn't want protools or cakewalk or anything bundled [16:16] i find i dont learn much if a distro does everything for me [16:16] (is OK, I wasn't about to buy anything there more expensive than bass strings) [16:17] jlt99 (~m48@230.Red-88-7-159.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] slackware uses a vanilla kernel? downloaded and compiled directly from kernel.org ? [16:17] with no patching [16:17] ? [16:18] yeah [16:18] yes, though there has been at least one slackware release in the past where the kernel contained a small security-related patch [16:18] nice :D [16:18] rajivb (~Rajiv@2002:8078:a675:a:225:bcff:fee6:24ce) joined ##slackware. [16:18] dustybin: In general that can be said of every package in Slackware. No patching unless _absolutely_ _necessary_ [16:18] excellent :D [16:19] some kind of awful remote root vuln was discovered right before that version of slack was due to be released, Pat could either change kernels or patch [16:19] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:19] Patches fix bugs, but will not alter, affect or change functionality, is our paradigm [16:19] not 100% accurate. for example i remember konsole containing a patch because Pat didnt like the colours [16:19] i want to see what linux is like, without no modifications from distros [16:19] Hahaha yes [16:20] rajivb (Rajiv@2002:8078:a675:a:225:bcff:fee6:24ce) left ##slackware. [16:20] I know of at least one more functionality patch... in pom [16:20] if i need to install apache, i will download and compile the source directly from apache.org [16:20] dustybin, thats what slackware is [16:20] :D [16:20] Apache comes included. [16:20] alienBOB: what counts as a bug or not is kinda slippery... a game that was ported from windows, expects to find its data files in the current dir... I patch it so it looks in /usr/share/games/whatever, does that count as a bug fix or altered functionality? [16:21] Neither [16:21] if the path is hardcoded in the binary, its stupid [16:21] hm. Eh, so what is it? [16:21] thats a sanity patch [16:21] Getting rid of windows-isms is just good [16:21] with regards to slackware, the general layout of system files etc, what can they compare to? [16:21] sahk0: well said [16:21] dustybin: They can compare to the FHS [16:21] lol [16:21] FHS? [16:21] Skywise: well, the original program didn't have the concept of a path at all (it would just fopen("gamedata.dat") or whatever) [16:22] ohhh [16:22] dustybin: Filesystem Heirarchy Standard [16:22] eviljames: excellent :D [16:22] Urchlay, but you should still read it from a file or command line or something [16:22] eviljames: what other distros compare to FHS ? [16:22] debian doesnt [16:22] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [16:22] dustybin: As it's a standard, they all should... :P I don't really know what debian does, I don't use it. [16:23] Skywise: agreed. Eh, but depending on the game (I've done 20 or 30 of them for SBo), I might not bother... if it e.g. doesn't already create a conf file, I won't add a conf file of my own [16:23] in which case, I'll have a hard-coded path in the binary, as the lesser of two evils [16:24] have you tried using an enviroment variable? [16:24] Urchlay: patch and submit upstream [16:24] eviljames: debian has a slightly different file structure to centos, so what is the standard? [16:25] it sure ain't debian [16:25] indeed [16:25] them guys are crazy [16:25] lots of these game projects get started with enthusiasm, by a single developer, then get abandoned a year or 2 later, after they've got the game working/playable, but before doing any kind of refinement (like making it act like a proper *nix app), and the "maintainers" are long gone other that a sourceforge page that hasn't been updated in years [16:25] i bet they do stuff like sort their socks alphabetically [16:26] v4nelle (~van@79.107.222.195) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:26] dustybin: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ <- anyone who doesn't follow it could be "doing it wrong" [16:26] Urchlay: Fork! You'll be the Linux Game DungeonMaster(TM) [16:26] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:26] (and damn, my high school english teacher would mark that sentence with a big red "run on") [16:31] don't wanna fork, in a lot of cases I have absolutely no idea how the actual game code works (and no real interest in finding out), so I don't want to represent myself as maintaining a branch of it [16:31] abandonware isn't so bad, its not having anywhere to put fixes when you're done that sucks [16:31] dustybin: debian is not a standard. it's an abomination. [16:32] because i'm not getting suckered into maintaining something just cause i fixed it [16:32] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:32] Urchlay: What game? [16:33] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.24) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:34] jkwood: a bunch of them, I'm not talking about any specific one (I've submitted a ton of 'em to SBo over the past year) [16:34] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-gygcgxzntiksktel) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:34] unfortunately I don't see a way on the site to search by author or maintainer [16:36] It's okay, I can grep my local copy. [16:37] most of the time I just use a wrapper script [16:37] grep for yalhcru (my email address is my nick spelled backwards, for boring reasons) [16:37] hi [16:38] Ah, okay. [16:39] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [16:39] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:44] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: rah [16:48] using the command line was the only reason ive been considering for a long while having a local copy of SBo as well. havent decided it yet though. doubt i ever will [16:49] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:49] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590B01.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [16:50] I keep a local mirror, it's handy [16:50] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:53] does slackware follow this: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb [16:53] dustybin: no [16:53] why not? [16:54] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Because it's a ridiculously overbearing "standard." [16:54] If I remember correctly, it's also a certification that you have to pay for yearly. [16:55] Zordrak_ (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:55] plus the best thing about [16:55] Linux is diversion* [16:56] yes it is not very smart to have 1000000 distributions [16:56] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-24-246.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [16:56] each with its own set of tools [16:57] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:57] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [16:58] righteous (~righteous@pool-71-173-88-178.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-165-23.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:59] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:59] hcfd (~fed@host86-131-165-23.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [17:00] diversity? [17:00] dustybin: For what it's worth, it doesn't get much more standardized than tar and compression. [17:01] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] Urchlay: indeed [17:01] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-198.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.31.118) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:05] Slackware tries to follow lsb guidelines [17:05] As long as they make sense [17:06] is the lsb the one that decreed rpm to be the official package manager for linux? [17:06] Urchlay: Going forward, I'm going to trail off every story I tell with "...for boring reasons" [17:07] eviljames: it's useful, when there's something you'd have to go into a lengthy discourse to explain, and when you know that your audience really won't care, once they find out what it is [17:08] "Our guitar player is going to sing this song instead of our singer, for boring reasons" [17:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:09] jlt99 (m48@230.Red-88-7-159.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware. [17:10] Urchlay: you're in a band ? [17:10] Action: eviljames is. Demos only, no myspace or anything. :P [17:11] eviljames: maybe that will come along with the recording contract. :P [17:11] fire|bird: fsck record labels and their paper contracts. I'm contracted TO ROCK [17:12] eviljames: I figured you'd say that, and ++++ for doing so. :) [17:12] eviljames: is it 80's pop rock ? [17:12] oh god no. I've heard one of the demos. [17:13] fire|bird: I rewrote a section of that last night, so I have to redo that demo. [17:13] practor (~franz@241.216.199-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:13] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:13] xsamurai: technical/death metal... something along those lines. [17:13] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:14] eviljames: the end part you weren't happy with? [17:14] ive never heard of the term technical metal before [17:14] technical/death metal hmmm imagines guy screaming commands in demonic voices [17:14] oh its all 3 [17:15] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:15] grep satans testicle *dun dun dun* (chorus ) man cat man cat [17:15] i can hear it already [17:15] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [17:15] xsamurai: yah. 70s/80s/90s rock cover band, I play bass. So far we're not really in any danger of getting rich... [17:16] there exists a death metal band that sings in Klingon (Stovokor, I think they're called) [17:16] Urchlay: nice, i dont know i feel old saying this but music these days sucks balls [17:17] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] xsamurai: yeah. "I like that old time rock & roll"... [17:17] sahk0: generally speaking, death metal is ridiculously technical, but there are people who attempt to push the level of technicality higher - like the jazz guys were (still are) doing. [17:17] the music scene sucks, too: bars hire DJs to play CDs for the customers, and pay them the same thing they'd pay a band (only a DJ is one guy, he doesn't have to split the money 4 ways like my band does) [17:18] sahk0: For a pretty good example, see Gorod [17:18] eviljames: yeah if it hadnt evolve it would have died [17:18] im not into stuff like that though [17:20] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:20] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.199.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:21] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [17:21] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.21.128) joined ##slackware. [17:23] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [17:25] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. 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[17:35] Shadowkllr: php and mysql are separate packages. phpmyadmin is a php script that you would put in your $WEB_ROOT [17:37] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-94-248.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:38] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:39] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:39] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:39] [17:39] Technical death metal [17:39] is awesome [17:39] something like Meshuggah? [17:40] :) [17:40] strato_: this would belong in ##slackware-offtopic, and yes :P [17:41] Considering that (so far) 100% of my band's music production is done on Slackware, it's only tangentally related :D [17:41] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:41] :) [17:44] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware. 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[18:46] elliot__ (~elliot@bzq-79-177-1-187.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:49] Is there some howto for gslapt, when try to update repositories, got this GPGME: Not operational [18:50] howto use gslapt: removepkg gslapt; man slackpkg [18:51] pprkut, :D [18:52] dafydd (~dafydd@calgary.userful.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:52] pprkut, I use slackpkg for updates, but want gslapt for other non official repos [18:52] lol [18:52] sbopkg is a much better idea [18:54] sbopkg is pretty darned great [18:54] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:54] bitlord: I would stick to common tools. gslapt is not one of them [18:56] which is why i mentioned it notKlaatu [18:56] pprkut, I used slackware before, and now I'm back to it, and trying to find some easy2use tools [18:56] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.103) joined ##slackware. [18:56] bitlord: slackpkg and sbopkg are easy to use. [18:57] thanks, I'l look at sbopkg [18:57] evening notKlaatu [18:57] hey XGizzmo how's it going [18:57] thumbs, I already use slackpkg [18:57] Not bad, You ready for SELF? [18:57] heck yeah. well, almost. [18:58] ha ha [18:58] still trying to persuade some friends to tag along with me [18:58] but money and distance are always getting in the way [18:58] yeah you have a long haul to make. [18:59] well my friend skirlet is over in northern california so ... [18:59] i don't know if it's gonna happen [18:59] A flight to the US is a money blackhole :( [18:59] how many slack people are giving talks? alan hicks is, i know. [18:59] pprkut: yeah, flights in general are right now, i think [19:00] I thought about coming, but it's so expensive... [19:00] I think alan is the only one this time. [19:01] i'm no dist jumper. [19:01] Action: eviljames wishes he could make SELF :( [19:01] anyhow, I'm out l8rdudes [19:01] ah well, there should be a strong slack contingency anyway. there was last year.. [19:01] ratdance (~ratdance@modemcable086.199-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:01] see ya eviljames [19:01] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [19:02] blaines (~blaines@70.99.210.114) joined ##slackware. [19:02] notKlaatu where? [19:02] there are none near me [19:02] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:02] that i can get to [19:03] yesyes (yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [19:03] aww, yesyes left; who will be yes, yes man? [19:05] SunTzu: oh at SELF [19:05] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [19:05] last year there was a whole slack posse. [19:05] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] notKlaatu what is that? [19:05] SELF? [19:05] south east linux fest southeastlinuxfest.org [19:06] where bout? [19:06] i'm in sw fla. [19:06] one of the carolinas in the US [19:06] k [19:06] north or south, i forget which [19:06] south [19:06] south [19:06] that's half way up the coast from me [19:06] Anyone know what packate gtk/gtk.h is in? its not in gtk+-1 or gtk+2-2... [19:06] nor gimp [19:06] oh look, it's Quiznos [19:07] where? [19:07] Spartanburg, SC [19:07] fatalnix gtk-1.2.10 [19:08] sbopkg isn't good for -current? [19:08] SunTzu: <<<<< [19:08] huh. [19:09] oops [19:09] bitlord: are you really running -current and asking those questions? [19:09] fatalnix gtk+-1.2.10 [19:09] yeah, just doesnt seem to.. [19:09] thumbs, yes :D [19:09] thumbs, I changed some slackbuild scripts to build packages for -current [19:09] bitlord: you're supposed to know what you're doing if you install -current. [19:10] for some reason when I try to compile anything that uses it it bails out because /usr/include/gtk/gtk.h doesnt exist [19:10] fatalnix ok; on, #include ? [19:11] yeah. [19:11] k [19:11] is there a -I in the Makefile? [19:11] I guess it could be using -I/usr/include/gtk-1xxxx [19:11] sec [19:12] it seems to use pkg-config to find it, and one applications configure says gtk is not installed but both gtk+1 and gtk+2 are [19:12] and I reinstalled them as well [19:12] thumbs, before I used stable releases, but now I want to try -current (try :D, I'm using it some time) [19:12] i've never like pc's [19:12] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [19:12] just kind of weird [19:12] ok... [19:13] fatalnix well, i dont kow how to fix that, but we can try to force it? [19:13] hammer instead of scapal [19:13] scalpal [19:13] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:14] chopp read a pm [19:14] Could, oh you know.. I am missing pthread-stubs [19:14] k [19:15] wonder if that is in libxcb [19:15] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:16] fatalnix pthread-stubs is in its own pkg [19:16] same name [19:16] -0.1 [19:17] hmmm, interesting, there seems to be an issue with scim and gtk apps (FF and TB are the only ones I notice this with) [19:17] SunTzu: I block pm's, but thanks anyway. [19:17] chopp so you dint get em? [19:17] no [19:17] bummer [19:17] chopp will you accept an invite? [19:18] funny how slackpkg doesnt fin dit [19:18] thats ok [19:18] fatalnix ls [19:19] Nick change: notKlaatu -> klaatu [19:19] ah I know why [19:19] its libpthread-stubs [19:19] ok [19:20] sweet, working great now :D. Yeah I didnt have the seccond install cd and was too lazy to download the wntire X series with wget or rsync, etc so I did it the slackpkg way :D [19:20] Razec (1000@189-92-39-185.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[20:18] pattwo_ (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Colpitts? :) [20:20] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:20] pattwo_ (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:21] oscillator: you are using xorg.conf? [20:22] yes [20:22] estranho: Hi :) [20:22] oscillator: could you send me your xorg.conf? [20:22] niels_horn: hello :D [20:22] estranho: a moment... [20:23] oscillator: I'm taking a beating here to configure. [20:23] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.101.194.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] oscillator: thanks [20:24] dios_mio (mirc@88.243.0.218) joined ##slackware. [20:24] khratos (~khratos@190.166.145.26) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Action: dios_mio slaps j0z around a bit with a large trout [20:25] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:25] argh [20:25] w00ps [20:25] :P [20:26] it is a new feature of irssi.. serious [20:26] I haven't seen thye trout6 bit for years when I used mIRC on windows [20:27] >.> [20:27] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:27] heya Necos [20:27] j0z (SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left ##slackware. [20:27] heya fire|bird [20:28] dios_mio: you slapped him out of the channel. ^^^ [20:28] bohunm (~mbohun@202.124.74.235) joined ##slackware. [20:28] :P [20:28] you insensitive clod [20:28] :P [20:28] bohunm (~mbohun@202.124.74.235) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:29] evil... [20:29] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:29] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.235) joined ##slackware. [20:29] estranho: hi you there [20:30] http://pastebin.com/WVUGxu5u [20:30] oscillator: Thanks. :D [20:31] ok [20:31] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [20:31] hello [20:32] does anyone know why the output of dmesg looks like this will http://pastebin.com/X30TeR8L that is related to the wicd/wpa_supplicant? [20:33] what slackie? [20:35] loooks like very verbose output of something [20:35] it looks like you're trying to encrypt and decrypt data... probably a misconfigured AP [20:35] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:36] short of you having extremely verbose debugging on, it wouldn't be going to the system log if it wasn't an error... [20:38] estranho (~diogo@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:38] hmm.. when i start the laptop the output of dmesg is correct, then the output changes :-F [20:39] what do you mean "correct" [20:40] oh well, normal output of dmesg. [20:40] and by that you mean? [20:41] it shows other system messages? [20:44] nop [20:44] then tell us what you mean :) [20:44] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [20:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmesg [20:48] andarius, "normal" operation of dmesg means that he's seeing messages (in this case from the kernel buffer)... but he just said that it's working fine, but not showing messages... that doesn't make much sense... [20:49] I am just sharing data. the output of dmesg is expected to change. [20:49] that's why i'm asking what he means by "normal" output [20:49] I never said your question was off. as noted, I was just sharing data [20:50] oh... >.<; [20:51] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:51] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:51] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [20:55] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:55] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:01] Ok - so much for that :( [21:01] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Action: NyteOwl was going to buy a new all in one. but Slackware only supports Status. no fax, scan, flash, usb, network ... but all features work in RH, Fedora, Suse, Mandriva ... :( [21:03] ...? [21:03] which all-in-one? [21:03] HP OfficeJet 4500 [21:04] that's a nice one, IIRC [21:04] quite reasonably priced too [21:04] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [21:06] bbiab [21:07] monkeySpider (~chatzilla@167.157.63.3) joined ##slackware. [21:07] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:09] khratos (~khratos@190.166.145.26) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:09] hi [21:09] hi [21:09] klaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:09] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] j0z (~SPH@200.146.8.225) joined ##slackware. [21:10] j0z (~SPH@200.146.8.225) left irc: Changing host [21:10] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [21:10] monkeySpider (chatzilla@167.157.63.3) left ##slackware. [21:10] hey NyteOwl, looks like the scanner at least is supported under SANE (in comparison to a scanjet 4500c) in git [21:11] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [21:11] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:11] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [21:12] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [21:12] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.59.14) joined ##slackware. [21:14] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [21:16] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@188.140.84.86) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:17] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:18] so, I just got a new 640gb harddrive. I want to put ext4 on it. It's only going to be used for media, (movies, music) Is there any special options in mkfs.ext4 that will be well suited for a media hdd? [21:19] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [21:20] oscillator (~oscillato@232.Red-88-8-251.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [21:20] not that i know of >.. [21:20] >.> [21:21] are extents enabled by default/ [21:21] larry65 (~larry65@d122-105-198-226.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:21] ? [21:22] you probably won't wany any blocks reserved for the superuser [21:22] Action: guax particularly likes reiserfs [21:22] what benefits does it have over ext4 for a media hdd? [21:23] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-64.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Nick change: guax -> guaxinim [21:23] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [21:24] khratos (~khratos@190.166.145.26) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Reticenti, just particularly. never loose a bit with reiser, never had to make 30 days fsck like ext3. its well tested and it fits amazingly for me. in any use [21:24] ahmed-tux (~rhapsody@41.140.33.233) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:25] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: ... [21:25] is reiserfs even maintained anymore? [21:27] not that i know [21:27] mint (mint@pool-71-186-161-247.bflony.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:27] its not removed from kernel anyways =P and im talking about file system for what. 5 years maximum on a desktop computer. [21:28] reiserfs isn't maintained anymore? [21:28] yes it is [21:28] so why all the disinformation [21:28] although no reason to.. they are mainly working on reiser4 the last I checked [21:29] oh [21:29] i didn't know, that's why i asked... >.> [21:30] reiserfs is pretty damn stable. [21:30] not really any reason to really 'maintain' it to be honest.. [21:30] reiser4 is their big deal now. [21:31] well, there ya go... [21:31] where can i get it? [21:31] rather, do all the disk utils have support for it? [21:32] echelon: uhh it should have supprot in the kernel and the userspace tools come with slackware the last I checked [21:32] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:32] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:32] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:34] wel,l im thinking either xfs or ext4, but i dont havea UPS, so I'm leaning towards ext4 [21:34] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [21:34] and I thought that resierfs was good for lots of really small files, but not so much for big files [21:35] i just use ext3 because i was paranoid about the ext4 atomic change bug, but that's been fixed... [21:35] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [21:36] hrm.. [21:37] Necos: ext4 still has an issue with corruption I thought if the power goes off suddenly? [21:37] well, possibly... [21:37] it has to do with people calling fflush() [21:37] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:38] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:39] oh, you can just use data=ordered in fstab [21:39] and that'll make it behave like ext3 [21:41] again. i never lost a bit with reiser =P if you wish NOT to loose your media then choose a better tested fs. if you wish to make use of new tech and stuff. then do it with replicated backed up data [21:41] wich i recommend, better for ext4. more tests, less bugs. [21:41] I user reiser for both large and small files. work fine for me :) [21:41] bitlord: sbopkg works fine on -current [21:41] well, guax, i'm just talkin about ext4 atm :P [21:42] Necos, just making another point to Dominian =P [21:42] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:42] i mean /quit [21:42] what point? [21:42] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [21:42] rodrigolanes (~rodrigola@201.53.166.179) joined ##slackware. [21:43] I use ext3 [21:43] well try to [21:43] oh, it's fsync(), not fflush() [21:43] I think I'm going to go with xfs [21:43] Dominian, what if the power goes out slowly? how would that work? :P [21:43] nachox: I guess your data would be like "I'm melting.... MELTING.... ohhhhh what world..." [21:43] haha [21:44] omfg it's almost 7pm >.<; [21:44] its almost 11pm [21:44] :| [21:44] Nick change: rodrigolanes -> zax02 [21:44] PDT here... [21:45] Necos, the timezone is a illusion [21:45] well, i'm out... gotta walk home today since my car is in the shop... later folks [21:45] what was that talk about timecube that usually repeats here? [21:45] =P [21:46] Necos, bye. see ya [21:47] Nick change: zax02 -> jackz [21:49] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-178-8.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [21:50] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.101.194.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:50] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.101.194.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.101.194.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Changing host [21:50] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:51] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Razec (1000@189-92-39-185.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:53] jackz (~rodrigola@201.53.166.179) left irc: Quit: Bye [21:53] larry65 (larry65@d122-105-198-226.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [21:53] jackz (~AndChat@201.53.166.179) joined ##slackware. [21:54] jackz (~AndChat@201.53.166.179) left irc: Client Quit [21:55] ratdance (ratdance@modemcable086.199-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) left ##slackware. [21:55] jackz (~AndChat@201.53.166.179) joined ##slackware. [21:59] XandriX (~xandrix@dsl-150-174.aei.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:00] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] jackz (~AndChat@201.53.166.179) left irc: Quit: Bye [22:01] so, I went with xfs [22:01] it took like 10 secs to write the FS to a 640gb drive :D [22:02] the fast format opton of nearly every filesystem takes that much. After all its just a few metadata that gets to be written in the fisk [22:02] *disk [22:02] ah [22:03] now i'm copying over the media to it [22:03] i'd have gone with ext3 [22:04] whys that? [22:04] MUCH more tested [22:04] do you have a ups [22:04] ? [22:04] no, but I've never had a power outage in the 3 years I've lived here [22:05] and it's only for replaceable media [22:05] sure, use ext3 if you want to wait 15 mins to format that :) [22:05] power outages can corrupt any fs btw. its just people recommend it highly for xfs [22:06] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] sahk0: xfs doesn't get corrupted anymore than other filesystems. [22:06] it=the use of a ups [22:06] yeah [22:06] i mean, i havent used it [22:06] sahk0: if you're going to repeat what you heard, at least get it accurate [22:06] my only data corruption was with ext4 [22:06] it's about data that will get zeroed out, if xfs is unsure about its origin. filesystem integrity is preserved [22:06] but very early [22:07] Action: thrice` has had 2 ext4 crashes resulting in dead / [22:07] and with a reboot, not even power outages [22:07] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] |Slacker| (~cris@187.46.113.210) joined ##slackware. [22:08] peacenik (cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [22:08] now if we could get free cxfs, then we'd be set [22:09] I'm not too worried about xfs crashing, it's for my torrent disk, so if I lose anything, it'll be only stuff i can redownload [22:09] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.59.14) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:10] i didnt know reiser was the first fs to have journaling in linux btw [22:10] unless what i read earlier was inaccurate [22:10] it was [22:11] the first or inaccurate? [22:11] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:11] reiserfs was the first journaling fs available on linux [22:11] [at least generally available] [22:12] is there a tool that will let me see how fast I can read a file? [22:12] time ? [22:12] dd [22:12] oh you said read [22:12] I was looking more for a x mb/s [22:12] Reticenti: dd [22:13] cool [22:13] dd if=somefile of=/dev/null iflag=direct bs=1M [22:13] guax: timecube.com ? [22:14] timecube rocks your socks [22:14] thanks ananke :) [22:16] what does the direct flag do? the man page says it does direct file i/o, but what does that mean? [22:16] that it bypasses any OS caching [22:16] ahh [22:17] I'm using cp -R to copy over my 180gb of media to my new drive, was there a better way to do that? [22:19] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] heya,folks [22:19] maybe rsync would be safer and easier to use [22:19] Reticenti: define 'better' [22:19] hey MLanden [22:19] faster? [22:19] dbyte (~eduardo@190.42.36.140) joined ##slackware. [22:19] speed-wise, it should be about as good as possible [22:20] heya,fire|bird..how're ya doin'? [22:20] ah [22:20] MLanden: doing great, thank you. yourself? [22:20] fire|bird, just relaxing for the evening..thanks..anything new? [22:21] Reticenti: cp is as fast as you get [22:21] ok [22:21] thanks :) [22:21] rsync is like cp on steroids though [22:21] MLanden: nah, nothing much. [22:21] oh, and is there a way to test write speed? [22:21] shonudo (user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:21] fire|bird, hear ya..same here..:P [22:21] Reticenti: bonnie++ [22:22] Reticenti: dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=1M count=1000 oflag=direct [22:22] thanks again [22:22] of course that just tests raw sequential write. bonie++, iozone, dbench, etc - those can give you more benchmarks than you could chew through [22:23] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:23] ah [22:24] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: dont question what I want, I need no other reason than I want it [22:24] fire|bird, cam 'cross this qt app that might be useful with jpegs that have large pixellation http://sourceforge.net/projects/imageenlarger/ [22:24] Shadowkllr (~chatzilla@64.206.143.1) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] [22:24] s/cam/came [22:24] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:25] MLanden: nice. [22:25] phreak__ (~user@pool-71-249-19-19.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] fire|bird, because it tries to "fill the blanks" when enlarging on lower pixeled jpegs..the results look like smudge,but it is handy of high-rez pics [22:27] MLanden: I have a program I wrote with apartner for my cs class that can do enlarge, it sues cubic interpolation too =D [22:27] s/sues/uses [22:28] |Slacker| (~cris@187.46.113.210) left irc: Quit: Saindo [22:28] Reticenti, cool [22:28] but it only works for pgm and ppm file [22:28] files* [22:29] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.123.39) joined ##slackware. [22:29] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:29] \o [22:30] when I saw the program,first thing I thought of was the epser machine in Blade Runner [22:31] though w/o the changes in perception [22:34] Reticenti, using cubic interpolation CPU-intense on the system? [22:34] one of the comments on that sf page leads to this simple comparison: http://29th.org/uploads/olson/pix/tex-rust-4x.png [22:34] hmm, not too bad [22:35] it is memory intensive though [22:35] looks like photo zoom pro has the nicest looking result [22:35] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [22:35] well, actually, it is kind of cpu intensice [22:35] intensive [22:35] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:35] I think it's run time is O(n^3) [22:36] s/it's/its [22:36] mabe O(n^4) I can't exactly remember [22:39] phreak__ (~user@pool-71-249-19-19.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:39] the algorithm for a cubic interpolation is kind of neat [22:39] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Sorry for offtopic question, but how in the heck do you join a usenet group? Or get to read usenet articles? Is there a program to download or what? [22:40] it takes a single row, graphs them, fits a line to it, and picks out values from that line so that it can intelligently predict good values [22:40] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:40] it also does it for the columns [22:41] Reticenti, nice concept with webcams to get the most bang for the buck..:D [22:41] lol [22:42] do you really need to see bigger versions of dicks on chatroulette? [22:42] lol [22:42] M1ck3y: you don't anymore. you just subscribe to mailing lists or visit 4chan now [22:44] M1ck3y, YMMV but here's a list of some that may work http://www.newsreaders.com/unix/clients.html [22:44] MLanden: Sorry, YMMV? [22:45] your mileage may vary [22:45] also, protipL if you're asking how to join a mailing list, dont go to 4chan [22:45] http://www.thenetworkadministrator.com/A%20Day%20of%20a%20Network%20Architect.htm [22:45] unless you want your brain to melt [22:46] lol, sorry I'm so confused. I was reading the slackbook and usenet groups looked interesting. Are they a thing of the past? [22:46] nope. [22:46] yeah [22:46] blaines (~blaines@70.99.210.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:46] lol [22:46] well, define "past" [22:47] 1492 [22:47] lol [22:47] in 1492, usenet was at its peak [22:47] lol,Antiwire....Columbus sailed the ocean blue [22:47] haha! [22:47] someone wins [22:48] Ok, I guess my specific question is: Slackbook says that users should check out "alt.os.linux.slackware" can I access that or is it gone? [22:48] M1ck3y: that's pretty old. It might be up, if your ISP has good sources. [22:48] Action: BP{k} fires up slrn to check .. nope .. still there and active [22:48] we all just got pwnd. [22:48] Action: antiwire steps down. [22:49] God I hate being a newb... What's slrn? and how do I get to that page/group/whatever it is? [22:49] slrn is console usenet reader [22:49] M1ck3y: usenet is a pretty old technology, it was really popular in the 90s, but its popularity has been drastically reduced. I'd say that the only people who use usenet now are old school computer users and trolls [22:49] ah... cool [22:50] BP{k} being the former and antiwire being the latter. [22:50] eviljames: :D [22:50] yikes [22:50] Back in my day, trollin' meant something [22:50] alreadygone_ (~silas@119.154.118.70) joined ##slackware. [22:50] lol [22:50] get off my lawn [22:51] M1ck3y: you can always use google groups and their webinterface. [22:51] http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/topics?lnk=srg [22:51] craigslist has a Linux forum [22:51] -_- [22:51] You all are seriously awesome. I'm sorry I always come in here and ask non-slackware questions, but you all help so much. Thanks again. [22:51] antiwire: oh wow... now that's a place to learn the ways of the troll [22:51] lol [22:51] M1ck3y: just instal sackware .. we're even more helpful then. ;0 [22:51] antiwire: how many posts are titled: "ATTN FATTIES, NO MORE NIX FOR U" ? [22:51] lol I am! [22:52] I promise, I just gotta finish this semester. It's over on tuesday! [22:52] cimenta (~rada@220-244-52-59.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:52] eviljames: all the posts antiwire had made so far? ;) [22:52] lol [22:52] I just need to be able to print out all of my school papers, and I'm worried about messing everything up. [22:52] The first word in CUPS is Common! [22:52] This is how a craigslist Linux post goes "Hello, I am new here. Why does my dmesg say 'this'? REPLY: "fuck you n00bby!" [22:53] then, cat on about 10 feet of random spam [22:53] at gives me 'garbled time' I run the at from my ruby script it looks like at 17:7 < '/data/linux script/job' - any idea what's wrong? I get this message only sometimes. There is also 'syntax error. Last token seen: :' [22:53] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.123.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:54] cimenta: can you pastebin the script? [22:54] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:55] cimenta, does it create the file 'job' in /data/linux script/job? [22:55] jkwood is the resident ruby mayhem master [22:55] Action: eviljames is the resident ruby ignoramus [22:56] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [22:56] antiwire: it's a loooong script [22:56] cimenta: so there is plenty of room for errors? [22:56] MLanden: actually at runs the 'job' [22:57] antiwire: of course :-) but I get this error only sometimes [22:57] Does the script run by itself? [22:57] or is scheduling the script when the issue shows? [22:57] antiwire at runs the ruby script and the ruby script runs at. job contains path to the ruby script [22:58] whoa whoa [22:58] why the loop? [22:58] this seems like a job for cron... [22:58] why can't at run the ruby script... [22:58] I wanted to run my script x times a day at different time [22:58] why do you need to script a script to script at? [22:58] so use cron like eviljames said [22:59] and the x times a day can change [22:59] to y times a day :-) [22:59] so use 2 lines in your crontab [22:59] or 12 [23:00] use 30, and have it run a different amount of times every day of the month [23:00] Speaking of cron jobs... I have an issue where ls -l gives dates as yyyy-mm-day when run as a user, but yy-MMM-dd as a cron job. Any ideas where I can change that to make it consistent? [23:01] lokken: when you run ls as a user, it probably runs ls -pb --color=auto [23:01] still don't know how to make it run at different hour/minute every day [23:01] lokken: run alias [23:02] cimenta: man crontab [23:02] also try and prevent using ls ;) [23:02] eviljames: Thanks! It runs ls $LS_OPTIONS, and has stuff in there :) [23:02] eviljames: you say that it's possible? [23:02] cimenta: Is there a particular reason it has to be a different minute/hour each day? [23:03] what he said^ :P [23:03] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:03] BP{k}: I'm sort of n00bish, so parsing ls output was simpler for this little task. :) [23:03] dbyte (~eduardo@190.42.36.140) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [23:03] lokken: yes. I tweet so I do not want it happen at the same time [23:04] A script to post tweets? [23:04] have it run every 30 minutes and have the script do a random N [1-25] minute delay. [23:04] Yeah, have it 'wait' at the start of the script. [23:05] yes I can do it this way but ... what about the at error? [23:05] You could use 'sleep' to make it nice and simple. [23:05] cimenta: it seems that using at at all induced needless complexity. [23:05] s/induced/induces/ [23:06] Never really used at... I thought it was mostly used for one-off situations. [23:06] lokken: that's exactly what it is for. [23:06] but when you change the frequency you have to modify cron [23:06] every time [23:07] now I do not have to do anything [23:07] Nick change: spook -> spewbacca [23:07] Nick change: spewbacca -> spook [23:08] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.20.120) joined ##slackware. [23:09] cimenta: no, you have cron run at the same interval [23:09] cimenta: Let's suppose you tweet once per hour, but don't want it at the same time every hour [23:09] cimenta: So you have cron run your script every hour. At the beginning of the script it waits some random amount of minutes, between 1 and 59. [23:10] my scenario is x times per day. Like 5 times a day [23:10] and how many hours are there in a day? [23:10] ??? [23:11] 86400 seconds! [23:11] so you run cron every 2 hours between 9 and 5pm, with a random delay of 1-119 minutes. [23:11] or however you want to arrange the schedule. [23:11] but what if I change it to 1 time a day? or 10 times a day [23:12] How does it get changed now? [23:12] the script take cares of it [23:12] But, I mean, do you invoke it with different parameters? [23:12] no [23:12] ... you've scripted a BCI that tells your script automatically how often you want to tweet per day? [23:13] what is a bci? [23:13] brain-computer interface :P [23:14] inside the script are some settings that the script follows. If I change the settings it will have automatically effect on how many times it runs a day [23:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [23:14] Where do you change the settings? [23:14] Like... inside the script? [23:14] yes [23:15] That's less onerous than 'crontab -e' and changing a number? [23:15] It seems like 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. [23:15] I can't help with the 'at' stuff, but good luck with it :) [23:16] well I have my slacks disk mapped to win box so I need to exit just text file [23:16] lokken thank you :-)\ [23:16] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:19] it seems to me that the at error happends only when the minutes are not two digits [23:19] Oh, you didn't pad the minutes with zeroes? [23:20] no [23:20] do I have to? [23:20] I assume the time format uses something like... hh:mm [23:20] hm [23:20] in which case, hh:m may be invalid [23:20] do you know how can I do it in ruby? [23:21] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:21] Nope, never really used ruby. A quick Google may reveal the answer. [23:23] thank you [23:23] "%02d" % minute [23:23] Or something along those lines. [23:25] you're right, I didn't think that way [23:26] I was doing some validation testing on software a while back... date/time entry was somewhat of an issue. :) [23:27] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:27] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-141.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:27] For example, what is the correct way to handle 24:00? What about entering time as 60 seconds? It's all documented in some standard, but making sure your implementation gets it right isn't always obvious [23:27] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:28] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:31] puts ('00'+minutes.to_s)[-2..-1] [23:33] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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