[00:01] muscadine? [00:01] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:03] dang [00:03] I just started installing cygwin [00:03] but I need to install daemon tools [00:03] which requires like two restarts [00:03] friggen windows [00:03] man [00:05] indubitableness: lol...sounds like a wine spritzer with Muscatel....man..that's a raw one..;) [00:05] hah [00:07] pirving (~jd@cpe-24-31-159-226.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:07] pirving (~jd@cpe-24-31-159-226.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:07] You wouldn't happen to be a gardener would you? [00:08] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:08] indubitableness: me? no...why? [00:08] Just wonderin' [00:08] talkin' bout wine and mascadines [00:09] I got a grape vine establishing itself out back [00:09] and a bunch of rubus berry plants [00:09] blackberries and raspberries [00:09] not to mention the vegetables, squash, and eggplants [00:09] indubitableness: aiming for a Pinot Noir? [00:09] Not particularly [00:09] I'd make kosher wine if I was kosher [00:10] I'll have to settle for kosher style wine [00:10] My grapes are concord so they'll be good for it [00:10] and blackberry wine is good for it [00:10] nice sweet wines [00:10] I prefer beer though [00:10] but it's not like I've got room for grain [00:11] it'll be a couple more years before I can produce enough berries to make wine anyway [00:11] the plants are young yet [00:11] some I'm still waiting on to be delivered [00:11] true....good for some holiday jellies as well...the berries and grapes,I mean [00:11] yeah [00:11] I think I'll have enough for jams by next season [00:12] I've chose some particularly productive varieties for my zone, though, so wine will be an option soon enough [00:13] I planted my squash late and they've been devastated by squash vine borers [00:13] next season will be different [00:13] I'm turning the back yard into a small farm plot [00:13] jcn_ (~jcn@189.58.221.84.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:14] not even fixin' to dick around next season [00:14] gonna kill like a third of the lawn before I start [00:14] so the grass won't take over my plots [00:16] true...crab grass does have a way [00:17] kickack (~kickback@122.162.119.238) joined ##slackware. [00:17] the regular grass has been a problem too [00:17] but yeah the crab grass is pretty friggen insistent [00:17] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:18] and we have these little invasive morning glory things [00:18] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [00:18] I'ma use black garden fabric next year [00:18] nothing will be able to grow except the stuff I plant through the holes I cut in it [00:18] but I'ma set it out this winter without any holes and kill the grass [00:18] then I have to dig a 26' x 16' plot [00:19] and redig a 9' x 5' plot [00:19] I have a 7' x 4'4" plot that's raised so it's not been as much trouble [00:19] except that the cat shits in there and makes my plants sick [00:20] but I've been getting some serious eggplant production lately [00:21] lol...that can cause some serious havok(referring to the cat) [00:21] yeah [00:22] I'm convinced her using the bathroom there is directly related to all the cases of mosaic virus I've seen this year [00:22] she knows she's not supposed to go there [00:22] she kills my blueberry shrubs too [00:22] indubitableness: helped a relation with eggplant...awesome batter-dipped or curried [00:22] used the pots as a littler box [00:22] yeah [00:22] eggplants are amazing [00:23] one of my favorite foods [00:23] squash too [00:23] particularly together [00:23] ok, so i have a pretty minimal install of 13.1 here - no kde, no xfce, just fluxbox. Is there a good, lightweight battery monitor for this? even a cli app will do [00:24] stunix (1000@85.19.141.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:24] kickack: stand-alone or in a panel? [00:24] MLanden, any will do. [00:24] grazymax (~grazymax@host18-96-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:26] kickack: conky's good and lightweight [00:26] ohhh [00:26] lol i totally forgot about conky. thanks :D [00:28] I like icewm for my window manager [00:28] kickack: if you look in /proc/acpi/battery...does your system see your battery? [00:29] MLanden, yes, it does [00:30] but why? [00:30] to know you can access the information, i think [00:30] stunix (1000@85.19.141.252) joined ##slackware. [00:31] ok [00:31] kickack: just good to know...if conky's battery monitor isn't to your liking...you can use the info from there..;D [00:31] :) [00:32] ok so i need LUA support for battery i guess [00:32] it's interesting to find how many people are opting for a no WM install [00:33] kickack: not sure if conky needs it for battery...but it's good to have for other scripts [00:33] ok [00:35] shonudo: no WM? Did you mean no DE? [00:35] yeah kickack... my bad [00:35] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.10.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:38] usus12jari (~ashe@118.96.235.38) joined ##slackware. [00:39] grazymax (~grazymax@host178-153-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:44] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) joined ##slackware. [00:44] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-70-120.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:45] damn. now conky is asking me for a required audacious dependency [00:45] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-27.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] It does that to me too [00:45] You can tell it to disable it [00:46] what does it need from audacious? [00:46] I had trouble compiling conky without it though [00:46] indubitableness, how do you do it then? [00:46] it wants it for the displaying songs functionality that no one with taste will ever use [00:46] I didn't [00:46] I gave up [00:46] it kept telling me I didn't have lua [00:46] which is lie [00:46] a lie [00:46] Action: andarius had no issues building it without [00:46] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [00:47] I was like screw it [00:47] I have enough command line tools to monitor my system [00:47] i'm not having problems with LUA. i just set the flag to LUA=NO [00:47] I did that too and it kept telling me the same thing [00:47] but the way you set LUA to no [00:47] you can set audacious to no [00:47] indubitableness, please share those other cli tool [00:47] so a .configure --help=short [00:48] I just use sensors for temps [00:48] and I use bmon for traffix [00:48] traffic [00:48] bmon is awesome [00:48] I love it 'cause I can use it on remote machines [00:48] what else [00:48] that's really it [00:49] i just needed a battery monitor [00:49] other than that it's just the regular stuff [00:49] oh yeah [00:49] not sure about batteries [00:50] there should be some standard tool to check it though [00:50] I'm not in slackware right now or I'd look around for it [00:50] one of the few times I hang out in this channel and I'm in friggen windows [00:50] I feel like a heretic [00:51] ./configure ^^ [00:51] I've got stupid fingers today [00:52] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=67565 ?? [00:53] http://code.google.com/p/batterymon/ More direct link [00:53] risah (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [00:54] andarius, thanks [00:54] yw [00:57] risah (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Client Quit [00:58] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-167-8.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:59] damn this depends on gtk [00:59] gay [01:00] http://bbacpi.sourceforge.net/ [01:00] this one looks better. lets try [01:07] stunix (1000@85.19.141.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:08] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:09] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-167-8.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:12] now this POS is just failing to compile [01:18] Axius (~fd@92.82.68.102) joined ##slackware. [01:20] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: sleep, I think I shall get some [01:24] conky intalled and running! YEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHH!! [01:25] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:25] kickack: cool [01:25] w00t [01:25] good deal, kickack [01:26] ./configure --enable-audacious=no --disable-lua did the trick [01:28] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:32] rheault (~rheault@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:35] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:40] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:42] now battery is showing as well :) [01:42] fAu (~fAu@78.134.6.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:42] which is what you wanted in the first place [01:42] nice [01:44] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:02] flash drives everyone nuts, i think [02:02] Yeah [02:02] i dont even have flash installed [02:02] even windows users [02:02] I need it for porn [02:03] heh [02:03] but that's really ALL I need it for [02:03] lol just download it from piratebay [02:03] sometimes I watch adultswim.com [02:04] and I used to use wtso.net but they seem to have decided to disable all their videos and turn it into an information gathering spam bonanza [02:04] this website is great for flash haters www.motul.com [02:05] aqua teen hunger squad, indubitableness? [02:05] hell yeah [02:05] although I'm tired of this 10 episodes per season they've been pulling since season 5 [02:06] half the episodes suck [02:06] starting to get real old [02:06] and all these live action shows they keep making [02:06] it's like they want to piss us off [02:07] I don't understand [02:07] what is this motul site? [02:08] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [02:09] it uses flash... so what's the point? [02:09] motul is an engine oil manufacturer, but requires you to watch that stupid flash into movie even if you have to check what grade of engine oil they sell in your country [02:09] ah [02:09] oh [02:09] it's for trolling flash haters? [02:10] i cant find any other reason than trolling :/ [02:10] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-27.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [02:11] i mean, if theres more flash and javascript effects than actual content on your site, theres something wrong with you [02:11] hah [02:12] nah...true flash hater site would be to send them to wonka.com (nestlé's website) now that's trully flash-heavy [02:13] send 'em to netflix [02:13] watch them rage [02:13] netflix is mostly silver light ;) [02:13] someone found water on mars http://www.betterdrunk.com/2010/08/water-found-on-mars.html [02:13] I know it's just frustrating [02:14] more frustrating than any of my flash troubles [02:14] I would install moonlight if I could friggen use netflix with it [02:14] that website has some nice ads about sexy long legs [02:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.243.110) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [02:16] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.204.156) joined ##slackware. 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[03:01] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [03:08] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-21.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:11] Axius (~fd@92.82.68.102) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:22] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-21.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] wb MLanden... [03:22] making it a late night? [03:23] thanks shonudo...lol...guess so [03:24] trying to figure out why amarok pegs kmix to the limit... [03:25] shonudo: any hints from kde's api? [03:26] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:26] i have a thingy i made that shows what i'm using per app [03:26] and after using amarok, kmix will use all of my cpu [03:26] shonudo: phonon,right? [03:26] phonon? [03:26] risah (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [03:26] not sure what that means... [03:27] but amarok is the most promising/annoying app i run [03:27] and amarok 2 is a mess [03:27] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [03:27] moc is my favourite [03:27] shonudo: more qt4 than kde4...the sound interface [03:28] there's a fork called clementine (sp?) [03:28] that seems promising [03:28] without the headaches [03:28] sort of amarok 1.4.x for the new KDE [03:28] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:29] there's also cuberok as well [03:29] but have seen clementine as well [03:29] at any rate, i don't know what to make of this kmix nonsense [03:30] i'll check out cuberok, MLanden... thanks [03:30] amarok is starting to be a pita [03:31] np..with linux and media players...there's always more than 30(was going to say one but....)...;*) [03:31] true! [03:31] lol [03:31] at least 30 [03:31] i always prefered JuK to amarok [03:32] yeah, i've played around with JuK [03:32] nice, no-frills UI and a very good popup alert [03:32] not bad, actually [03:32] yeah, exactly kickack [03:32] just basic "i do this" app [03:35] did mess with what was left of the consonance/pragha project...still not pleased...deadbeef for X as well as mocp for X and console are lightweight and powerful enough [03:35] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [03:37] another one using the fox toolkit that's matured is goggles music manager [03:37] consonance... hmmm [03:37] not bad [03:37] DaWyzre (yoeschua@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-tqktvdzubqpdnwkh) joined ##slackware. [03:38] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:38] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:38] so what happened to amarok? it was the s*** heading to 1.4x [03:39] shonudo: yeah,the pragha project took over after consonance became unactive [03:39] shonudo: guess qt3's transition to qt4 [03:40] that and improving on something that was just fine (on amarok's part) [03:40] i should have said "improving" [03:41] dngr (~dngr@n11649134009.netvigator.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:41] if you look at the top right terminal on this screenshot, what is stat tool is this user using? [03:41] http://i42.tinypic.com/9jhpwk.png [03:42] oh htop [03:42] what is that? top? [03:42] ntop? [03:43] looks like htop [03:43] ace [03:45] MLanden, yes, i'm using goggles right now :) [03:46] lucky guess would be conky along the top ....top left=mocp,top right=htop,bottom left=irssi and bottom right=mc ...hard to say what the bottom panel is(maybe pypanel or fbpanel) [03:47] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [03:47] MLanden: yep, you beat me to it. I would have guessed the same thing [03:47] that sounds about right [03:49] wow htop is lovely [03:50] Action: dustybin feels really happy [03:51] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:51] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] exi [03:55] archcezar (1000@agb60.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:57] archcezar (1000@acta56.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:57] kickack (~kickback@122.162.119.238) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:58] shonudo: with kmix...might be a glitched dbus node [04:00] MLanden, yeah, i need to troubleshoot this [04:00] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:00] but, it only occurs after using amarok [04:00] (coincidence? i think not) [04:01] i think it's an amarok thing [04:01] how do i use bluetooth in slackware 13.1? the kde bluetooth icon says that it cannot connect to the bluez deamon. [04:01] although a glitched dbus node might be at the bottom of it [04:03] kickack (~kickback@122.162.119.238) joined ##slackware. [04:03] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [04:04] zoran119: kernel support for bluetooth, irrc [04:07] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.122) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:09] zoran119: [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth ] || echo FIXME [04:09] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.139) joined ##slackware. [04:10] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:11] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:11] jhw (~jhw@p548D6D1F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] rworkman: it's not executable, but i did start it manually [04:12] jhw (~jhw@p548D6D1F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:12] jhw (~jhw@p548D6D1F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] zoran119: you see a "[bluetooth]" line in ps output? [04:13] rworkman: yes [04:13] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.2, revision: 4740, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-08-08 18:29:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [04:13] Hrm, then it should work. Does blueman work? [04:14] There isn't a kde bluetooth tool in 13.1, fwiw. There's blueman. Is that what you're trying? [04:14] grazymax (~grazymax@host210-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:14] rworkman: blueman-manager for example fails with an x message of 'bluez deamon is not running' [04:15] grazymax (~grazymax@host210-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:17] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:17] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:18] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.96.187) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:19] zoran119: You're sure you have a bluetooth adapter in the machine? [04:19] (I know that sounds like a dumb question) [04:20] "hcitool dev" shows it? [04:22] hmmmm... hcitool dev doesn't show anything... but a ubuntu install on this machine had bluetooth working fine [04:22] maybe i dont' have the right drivers loaded? [04:23] Run this: "udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=bluetooth --action=add: [04:23] er: udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=bluetooth --action=add [04:24] then check hcitool [04:25] rworkman: still nothing (hcitool dev just outputs one line that says 'Devices:') [04:26] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:26] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:26] http://666games.net/Violent/Flash/Play/309/Penguin_Killer.html [04:27] zoran119: i guess you haven't run 'sh /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth start' yet. [04:28] bnguyen: i have [04:28] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [04:28] but i'm doing someting wrong... i'm sure of it... i'm having the same 'non-working' situation and symptoms on 2 laptops [04:29] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:29] jhw (~jhw@p548D6D1F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:30] risah (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: risah [04:30] zoran119: run 'sh /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth restart' and paste the output. [04:30] bnguyen: no output [04:31] zoran119: you must run that command as root [04:31] bnguyen: i did [04:31] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Client Quit [04:32] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [04:34] DaWyzre: http://fuck_off_and_die_spammer.local/ [04:34] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:34] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*yoeschua@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-tqktvdzubqpdnwkh' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [04:34] DaWyzre kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: DaWyzre [04:34] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [04:34] Is dbus running? [04:34] zoran119: ? [04:36] just a sec [04:36] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] rworkman: yeah (ps says i have dbus-daemon and dbus-launch running) [04:39] Okay, then what happens if you run "bluetoothd" manually? [04:40] no output [04:40] but i got a device [04:41] Oh, duh. rc.bluetooth *needs* to be executable [04:41] I made that change - you'd think I would remember it. [04:42] See /lib/udev/bluetooth.sh (which is what's run when a bluutooth dev is plugged) [04:43] ok... that explains my errors [04:43] cool [04:43] thanks a lot for that [04:43] i really appriciate it [04:44] No problem at all. I don't use bt much any more, so I'm a bit rusty. [04:44] My droid phone will usb tether :) [04:44] (and won't do so over bt) [04:45] i've got a nokia atm... waiting for it to get old so i can get an android phone [04:45] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.204.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:46] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-11-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:47] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.250.185) joined ##slackware. [04:47] grazymax (~grazymax@host210-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:48] is there someting special i need to do to get a /dev/video0 for the built in webcam? [04:48] Well, I'm quite happy with this one, and it's not even the better ones. I got a Backflip (free, or else I wouldn't have upgraded, even though I hated my BlackBerry) [04:48] No idea re webcams; sorry [04:48] I know very little about webcams, but mine "just shows up" [04:49] Never had one, and never will unless it comes built-in on something I buy; this doesn't include any "webcams" that might someday be hidden and used for security monitoring [04:50] risah (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [04:50] rworkman: "webcams" for security monitoring... sounds scary! [04:50] Nick change: risah -> risarisarisa [04:50] zoran119: which model? [04:51] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:52] zoran119: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/lanrev/#ixzz0tgFpE1xK [04:52] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [04:52] they taped students while they were at home :-) [04:53] adrien: it a 05a9:2640 OmniVision OV2640 (Dell Inspiron 1420/1720 notebooks) [04:53] zoran119: well, they would have to be higher quality webcams. My plan is to attach them to sheevaplug/guruplug units and then have the ability to remotely monitor the premises. More importantly, the captured data would be saved offsite immediately (bandwidth concerns are not yet addressed) and so there would presumably be footage of any breakins [04:53] which should be supported [04:54] rworkman: i made a little script that would take a photo with the webcam (low quality) and scp it to a remote server... [04:54] rworkman: but i would love to experiment with zoneminder a bit [04:54] Yep, that's the route I plan to take. [04:54] rworkman: it seems to have some awesome features [04:54] what rworkman hasn't said is that he also plans to connect some of the weapons on http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/ once he's setup the webcam ;-) [04:55] hahaha [04:55] Axius (~fd@92.82.70.119) joined ##slackware. [04:55] When one spends the $$$ we plan to spend on a house, a bit extra for this sort of thing is pocket change. adrien has a point too. [04:55] That's a great idea. [04:56] always wanted to do that but the shipping from the us to europe is too expensive :'( [04:56] zoran119: a cursory poke at google suggests uvcvideo.ko is the module you should be loading [04:56] re teh ov2640 [04:56] so hopefully it should be supported well [04:57] there are hints that suggest it's only compatible with v4l2 stuff, though [04:57] Action: adrien has a webcam using the out-of-tree stk11xx.ko module which uses v4l1 API... [04:58] alphageek: modprobe uvcvideo.ko? [04:58] try & see, yes [04:58] it's 50/50 that'll work. it should have autoloaded [04:59] if the module loads without errors & you get a /dev/video0 entry, there's a super quick test you can do to see how well the cam is working [04:59] mplayer -vf screenshot -fps 30 tv:// [05:00] hit 's' for individual frame grabs [05:00] grazymax (~grazymax@host13-207-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:00] 'q' to quit.. couple more binds, but I forget them atm [05:00] alphageek: nah... module not found [05:00] not found?!? [05:01] which distro/bitness/version? [05:01] slack 32 13.1 here [05:01] same [05:01] 's' requires '-vf screenshot' ;-) [05:01] damn, I fail ='( [05:01] heh [05:02] modprobe uvcvideo [05:02] (drop the .ko suffix) [05:02] d'oh.. I missed that [05:02] If it's not found then, you've got a custom kernel and nobody cares about your problems any more ;-) [05:02] alphageek: it's okay, you're getting old. [05:03] :( [05:03] don't remind me [05:03] :D [05:03] back in 5.. smoke break [05:04] just a sec, will try with no .ko [05:05] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.250.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:05] Action: XGizzmo yawns [05:05] Well, it happens to all of us, it seems. I was discussing Michael Crichton in my class today, and only two of my students had ever heard of him, and even worse, only about twenty percent had ever heard of Jurassic Park (I won't even mention their stats with his other great books). It occurred to me that most of the kids I'm teaching weren't *born* when the movie was made. [05:05] Action: rworkman tosses popcorn into XGizzmo's mouth [05:06] grazymax (~grazymax@host13-207-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:06] rworkman, wait.. wait you're a professor? May I ask what major or what you teach? [05:06] you're a teacher? :o (/me had no idea) [05:06] I've read Michael Crichton before many years ago. [05:06] adrien, exactly. [05:06] rworkman: whoah...with so much merchandise made for it too!!...hmm [05:07] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.167.50) joined ##slackware. [05:07] modprobe uvcvideo gives a warning: 'all config files need .cond: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will be ignored in a future release' [05:07] someting i probably put in there [05:08] *need .conf [05:08] but no /dev/video0 [05:08] rworkman: Thats what you get for teaching ancient literature in science class. :p [05:08] I teach various sciences at a large high school [05:09] Probably not the typical teacher :) B.S. is in Chemistry rather than "Education," so I actually understand what it is that I'm teaching. :) [05:10] (that's not to imply that exceptions (on both sides of the issue) don't exist though) [05:11] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [05:12] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:12] We had a small English lesson (on misplaced modifiers) today too. Afterward, I had them pause for a minute and try to recall all of the science that had ever been taught in their english classes. :) [05:13] Well rounded teachers FTW [05:13] Yep yep [05:13] Nick change: risarisarisa -> miss_riss [05:13] j0z (unix@201.47.13.181.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:13] j0z (unix@201.47.13.181.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [05:13] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [05:14] Whoa, chemistry? [05:14] May I pm you rworkman on a private issue then? [05:14] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B119B4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:14] Long story short, now that you know I'm a teacher, it's probably obvious why you see me a lot during summers and weekends :) [05:14] Do cacheing proxy servers improve the Internet experience? I am thinking of setting up a Squid server (which I did a long time ago Web 1.0). If I do go that route, what type of disk space should I consider buying? [05:14] miss_riss: sure [05:15] rworkman: pfff, slacker -_- [05:15] hehe [05:15] Action: adrien is worse: student :-) [05:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.167.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [05:15] actually, maybe not worse ;-) [05:17] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.145.225) joined ##slackware. [05:18] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.96.187) joined ##slackware. [05:18] hehe [05:19] wyggler2 (mvlewis@pilot.trilug.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:19] rabbitear (~juice@66-230-110-167-rb1.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] slackware aaawwwwwwwwwww [05:20] I thought you were gone [05:20] but I'll kiss you good night in the bedd [05:20] grazymax (~grazymax@host84-25-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:20] slackware aaawwwwwwwwwww [05:20] I thought you were gone [05:21] but I'll kiss you good night in the bedd [05:21] Action: adrien wants some of rabbitear's booze [05:21] k [05:21] its a flat fee [05:22] adrien: snoop doggy is here in anchorage *clapping* [05:22] adrien: but I need to scam people [05:22] chemistry++ [05:22] Action: jg71 goes back to his slacking morning coffee [05:22] adrien: becaaause this is like micheal jackson [05:23] jg71: do you run? [05:24] well I haven't seen anybody I liked [05:24] 00:34 -!- DaWyzre [yoeschua@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-tqktvdzubqpdnwkh] has joined ##slackware [05:24] 01:23 < DaWyzre> http://666games.net/Violent/Flash/Play/309/Penguin_Killer.html [05:24] bah, oops [05:24] Well, afk for bed, folks; laterz :) [05:24] night,rworkman [05:24] I <3 SLACKWARE [05:24] Action: rabbitear squirts at RaNdY [05:25] bad aim [05:25] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [05:25] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:25] ##slackware: mode change '+o tomaw' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [05:26] nobody cares [05:26] Action: alphageek returns [05:26] consider them 'microsoft minutes' :) [05:26] ##slackware: mode change '+o marienz' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [05:27] its gonna be funny [05:27] tomaw and marienz - the +o is in case DaWyzre [yoeschua@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-tqktvdzubqpdnwkh] comes back. He's a known troll here, used to go by ongazevir or some such [05:27] sony did that new motion thing into, something kinda you could use against your neighbors [05:28] Action: rworkman shall ponder adding staff to access list at some point (after discussing with other ops); really afk for sleep now [05:28] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [05:29] keep swimming [05:29] your doing fine rworkman [05:29] rworkman: I'm unlikely to notice him unless he's he hits a hilight or someone hilights me [05:29] s/he's// [05:30] and its a lie [05:30] you said or [05:30] Yes. This is so the others know they can hilight you :) [05:30] thats how I can tell [05:30] rabbitear: are you drunk or is this normal? [05:31] that works [05:31] I wouldn't have it [05:31] I'm sleepy and in a foul mood. Are you sure you want to continue this? [05:31] I'm trying to think [05:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.145.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:31] whats the best responce rworkman ? [05:31] are you black rworkman ? [05:31] Whatever it was, that wasn't it. [05:32] and? [05:32] Now you get to carefully explain how that's somehow relevant. [05:32] *shrugs* [05:32] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:32] no...... [05:32] remember nobody cares [05:32] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] they are smart like that [05:33] rabbitear, uh I'd relax if I were you. [05:33] why? [05:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.255.179) joined ##slackware. [05:33] how much less could you fear relaxation? [05:33] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7BE8A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:34] tense? [05:34] boo [05:34] You should join #slackhappy - they need help. [05:35] nice [05:35] What's that channel about? [05:35] :p [05:35] crime and pushing around people [05:36] I don't talk into rooms that are straaange with people that think I'm the best person on earth [05:37] You won't have to worry about that there - the channel owner thinks *he* is the best person on earth. [05:38] lies: *I* am! [05:38] Well, I don't know who *is* -- but I know it ain't him. [05:38] adrien: best in not showering doesn't count :P [05:38] cp is my hero [05:39] pprkut: how do you know I haven't showered yesterday and not yet today? :o [05:39] (but I'm about to ;-) ) [05:39] haha [05:40] i found a new handy terminal tool called 'mc' amazing :D [05:41] i bet you guys already knew what that was [05:41] dustybin: in various forms,all the way back to the c64..but it is cool! [05:41] back to the C64?? [05:42] jeeze [05:42] isBEKaml (keml@122.174.96.187) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:43] and afk showering now ;-) [05:43] the webcam address please! [05:43] even my mouse works with mc [05:44] :) [05:44] I don't understand what you ment [05:44] but you used mouse and works [05:44] which is funny [05:44] works in vim over ssh inside tmux too [05:44] adrien: your too complex [05:45] dustybin: whoops*..meant to say the Amiga500...geos for c64 may have had a primitive version [05:45] midnight commander sounds like a porno movie [05:45] have two partitions here on sda disk, first is ntfs formatted (100Gb) and second is ext4 (250Gb); is it possible to reallocate space between this two partitions? i can't just format and repartition, because there's data on first partition and working system on second [05:45] MLanden: you have been brain washed, this isn't a test [05:46] i want to make first partition smaller and assign free space to second [05:46] no worries I just looked up the records [05:47] try parted magic to shrink your first and then move your second [05:47] but backup before you try it [05:47] vdv: stop using that dry humor around here! [05:48] yeah, just use a knife to cut up your harddrive [05:48] I must explain [05:49] naahhhh, I'm hungry [05:49] MLanden: do you miss your Amiga [05:49] Mowah: gparted lets me to shrink first partition, but the result is unallocated space between, which gparted just can't to merge with second partition [05:50] she was my first *cries* [05:50] vdv: afaik, you can't append space at the beginning of a partition [05:50] pprkut: its a table [05:50] pprkut: you can do anything you want [05:50] dustybin: nah...with the uae emulator,I've got portability [05:51] see now I sound smart [05:51] seriously its just a table [05:51] oh fs's need some reason to be ok [05:52] like I'm okay, I'm fine [05:52] I know steve jobs get away from my wife! what theee.... [05:53] add space at the begin = move + expand at the end afaik [05:54] add 10GB : move the partition 10GB "earlier", then add 10GB to the end of the partition [05:54] always to be avoided for windows system partitions [05:54] I'm comming to you adrien for advice next [05:54] you have the best wiseness [05:56] adrien: seriously what is your problem? [05:57] ? [05:57] yeah? [05:57] I don't see a problem anywhere.... [05:57] oh sure [05:57] your not even blind pprkut [05:59] you fail at saying, yes I am [05:59] no worries, I'm just a kid [06:01] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:01] and that's an excuse for what exactly? Immature behaviour? [06:03] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488EB6C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:04] you are an adult you now Immature behaviour when you see it [06:05] I mean where would you see yourself going with that pprkut ? [06:05] stephen__ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:59] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) joined ##slackware. [08:01] When I am using my laptop on battery, is there a way to have slackware automattically dim the backlight on the screen? The key combination works fine for me, but it'd just be nice to have slack to do it. [08:02] SigmaVirus24, on xfce it automatically does it for me [08:03] Yeah, but I use blackbox [08:03] And I was wondering if there was a command I could run right before X starts to do it [08:06] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [08:07] SigmaVirus24: you can autostart the xfce-power-manager thats the app which is used by xfce [08:08] or xfce4-power-manager [08:09] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC660.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] Invoked (~Invoked@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:18] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) joined ##slackware. [08:18] pault_ (~pault@92.17.17.84) joined ##slackware. [08:22] hi, long time user, first time chatter :) does anyone know where to find instructions on using sbopkg with slack-current, if that;s possible? [08:23] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] miss_riss (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: miss_riss [08:25] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:25] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:25] Invoked (~Invoked@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Phazey Has Left The Building! [08:26] Invoked (~Invoked@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:31] ho hum, I've just read the channel guidelines, specifically about 3rd party pkg managers - sorry [08:32] pault_: i don't know but i think sbopkg is only supported for the stable release [08:32] but you could also use it with current [08:32] that's my oppinion haven't test it but i think so [08:33] the slackbuilds are only instructions how to compile certain packages from source so i think it should work with current too [08:33] I'm using sbopkg on current, is there any problem? it should just work [08:34] yes i tried, but there has been a slight problem with the version of bash producing a configuration error. [08:34] and sbopkg isn't a package manager, it's merely a front-end to slackbuilds.org [08:35] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:35] pault_: slackpkg works fine with -current. the only difference is slackpkg will use slackbuilds.org repo for 13.1 [08:35] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC660.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [08:35] adrien, yes, I've just gotten too lazy to install things myself [08:35] but since slackbuilds will build from source, it's not an issue [08:35] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] alisonken1home: slackpkg for slackbuilds.org? :P [08:36] adrien: yes [08:36] duh - sbopkg :) [08:37] :P [08:37] you had me doubting for a second ;p [08:37] just woke up to a dog lleaving a present on the floor - at least it wasn't from the back end [08:38] heh, nice thing to wake up to :-) [08:39] how do I contribute to testing current? is there an irc channel for it? [08:40] here [08:40] simply report bugs if you find some [08:40] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:40] k [08:44] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@cm67.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:48] hmm - connie.slackware.com must be taking a nap again [08:48] ah - she's back now [09:05] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:05] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:05] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) joined ##slackware. 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[10:27] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF72F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: brb [10:29] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF72F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] j0z (unix@200.146.6.21.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:30] j0z (unix@200.146.6.21.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [10:30] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [10:32] just graduated from ubuntu to slackware! woohoo! [10:32] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:32] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:32] fortunev, congrats. :) [10:33] I mean, shut up nub, what do you know?! [10:33] D:< [10:33] : ) alot more than I did about 5 hours ago ! [10:34] still having a problem with wifi though [10:34] fortunev: install wicd from extra/ and add yourself to the netdev group [10:35] Do I need a slackbuild for that. [10:36] risarisarisa: You really think you know So much do you? You should be nice to fortunev If he went from Ubuntu to Slackware awesome Remember this risarisarisa You were once a Nub too and in my eyes STILL "ARE" Now shut up and be humble. It wouldn't kill you to apologize to fortunev either. [10:36] Invoked, lol what in the world? [10:36] Awesome fortunev How are you finding the transition? Not what you expected eh? [10:37] Invoked, are you trolling? [10:37] Are you? [10:37] Idiot. [10:37] lol cause if so, nicely played. [10:37] Action: risarisarisa facepalms. [10:37] Women and Linux just don't mix. [10:37] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Take the hint: Get bent. [10:37] clint- (~clint@pdpc/supporter/active/clint-) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Delahunt, [10:37] I want to help you m8 [10:37] Cause I said - I mean, shut up nub, what do you know?! D:< [10:37] I know openSuse and and suse can be discouraging with things.. [10:37] It was a joke. [10:37] I'm just messing with ya risarisarisa :P [10:37] lol [10:37] Lol. [10:37] ;_; I fell for it. Asshole. [10:38] Haha! [10:38] Indeed you did. [10:38] ASSHOLE. ;_; [10:38] like I said, I have to write custom xorg.confs and compile nvidia and ati drivers sometimes. for system builds [10:38] Big or Small risarisarisa ? [10:38] You? BIG~! [10:38] They come in all shapes and sizes :o [10:38] Why Thank You! [10:38] Invoked: So far very nice. The one consistant problem I had with kubuntu is vidio drivers. I thought I would need to get propri. drivers for slack too, but it woked out of the box. So far so good! [10:38] although I know slackware is an awesome system and I havn't even used it.. but i have worked with several, gentoo, fedora, debian, FreeBSD, opensolaris, etc m8, [10:38] It's Good To Know I take up some Appreciation of Someone. [10:38] Great fortunev :) (WiFi) would be about the only issue you should face in Slackware. [10:39] sorry people arn'te that helpful on the mouse issue m8.. 11.3 is not that great compared to 11.2 , they should of waited, but they had to be all fast like windows pushing windows vista.. [10:39] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:39] Just General Driver support but the way the Updates are going Slackware will have that fixed too Most Wireless devices are supported. [10:39] But some just aren't configured for the Hardware. [10:39] So just wait and see and in the mean time seek help :D [10:39] also.. most are in Europe and there sleeping.. thats the downfall of #suse, mostly german people and Europe, and not so many in the USA or Canada, [10:39] 15k in Ubuntu. [10:39] as I know slackware , fedora and ubuntu is all over the dang place, maybe in space too and Aliens using it :) [10:39] Users that Is. [10:39] We don't even have 300 in here :S [10:40] foldy (~foldy@mail.foldy.org) left irc: Quit: Odcházím [10:40] clint-: Debian + Ubuntu = Big Dogs. [10:40] nice thing though that I'm proud of is.. that SuSE was a german translation of slackware to " begin with" [10:40] hey Invoked [10:40] I still need to get off to dunkin donuts.. [10:40] Sup clint- ? [10:40] but I too Delahunt want to try slack out someday [10:40] Lol. [10:40] Invoked: so for Wicd, should it be on the dvd, or do I need a slackbuild script? [10:40] :) [10:40] I admire the sophisticated engineering it has [10:40] fortunev: It might be on the DVD or you could try a slackbuild script. [10:41] although I'm a gnome and fluxbox user much [10:41] and xfce and many others. but I know it ships KDE [10:41] fortunev: it's on the dvd under the extra/ directory [10:41] although I know you can use whatever you want on the sucker.. [10:41] clint-: Slackware, First Gentoo Second Linux From Scratch 3rd. [10:41] also big time power user and term.. [10:41] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-007-092.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] thanks alisonken1home! [10:42] a lot of gurus should take a look at the Linux Phrasebook sometime that Scott G wrote. in order to master linux you must master the command line first : ) [10:42] " qoute " [10:42] ah Invoked [10:42] not sure if I have time for LFS hehe [10:42] I'd use Command Line over GUI any day. [10:42] be back ... [10:42] was considering it long time [10:42] Alright fortunev [10:42] clint-: ah! :P [10:42] yeah I like it too Invoked [10:42] I do all major updates.. and updates in gen, in runlevel 3 [10:42] GUI = Good for quick on the move crap. [10:42] telinit 3 ;-) [10:42] But if you have the time Command line every day! [10:42] init 6 [10:42] :o [10:42] Channel flood from Invoked -- kicking [10:42] Lol. [10:42] Invoked kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:42] Invoked (~Invoked@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:43] people don't get it.. don't upgrade your kernel and your entire system, in multi user 5 :P [10:43] but it you want a crash an instability , go right ahead the choice is yours.. its linux! :P [10:43] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-007-092.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:43] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Indeed. [10:43] Invoked, [10:44] Yep? [10:44] you slack wizards and linux gods don't suppress users trying opensuse do ya? [10:44] We aren't Gods. or Wizards. We were once like the New users are. Completely clueless. [10:44] Delahunt, is getting major discouraged and I walked in on him dealing with mouse issues, but I havn't even had my coffee yet [10:44] I've tried OpenSuse before yes. [10:44] well I was reading too, slackware has a very fast respond rate to bugs and things [10:44] security and so on [10:45] SuSE does as well [10:45] If he has issues with his mouse [10:45] Then [10:45] He needs to edit his xorg.conf file [10:45] in fact, in reports, it shows.. Novell SLED having a very fast security update, [10:45] and disable auto hotplugging. [10:45] could be some none reports too though [10:45] yeah I was telling him.. I could help him with an xorg.conf [10:45] as I write them for openSuSE and for systems i deploy it on, plus sometimes I have to compile nvidia and ati drivers.. [10:46] and sometimes. even do custom kernel mods [10:46] problem is Invoked , openSuSE doesn't have an xorg.conf by default either did 11.2 [10:46] does* [10:46] Nvidia + Linux Driver support surpases ATI's driver support. [10:46] I can't rem when they took it out [10:46] Invoked, you got kicked, so HAH! [10:46] yeah, but they recently updated Invoked [10:46] D:< [10:46] Doesn't Xorg have a command for auto genarting xorg.conf ? [10:46] Also, [10:47] yes [10:47] Invoked, , http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/07/15/ati-hd57xxx-flgrx-drivers-under-11-3/ [10:47] If it's an nvidia card. He could use the nvidia-xconfig and it would configure the xorg.conf to his hardware requirements From Devices under the USB Section as well as his GPU obviously. [10:47] I use little tricks like that. [10:47] Or perhaps. He could just start dbus and hal :P [10:47] You don't need an xorg.conf unless you have a really unusual setup - or you need to run a binary module [10:48] heck I had to really customize my xorg.conf for my ex workstation, which is my girls now Invoked , just to get the old monitor 19" dell E196FP res to correct and native hor and ver sync ranges [10:48] hehe always something.. ;-) [10:48] but something I learned too in debian and gentoo [10:48] plus its nice working with the #xorg gusy [10:48] guys* [10:48] clint-: Well, Vesa isn't a good driver :P [10:48] sorry< I'll try to get everything out on 1 line guys.. not trying to flood or be a troll [10:48] It's cool mate. I get kicked all the time for talking too much lol. [10:48] Invoked, no it isn't [10:49] Heck I did before ;P [10:49] well I think I got you beat as far as talking :) [10:49] Meh, I doubt it. [10:49] Maybe on here sure [10:49] Action: clint- trying to work on that back trac motto though.. " The quieter you are, the more your able to hear" but not sure if I can live that motto [10:49] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:49] back track* argh [10:49] My friend once told me all his logs of convos with his friends were like 555kb and mine was like 16mb lol [10:49] alreadygone_ (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [10:50] ;) [10:50] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:50] hey m8 nice to meet you, I'm clint [10:50] alreadygone_ (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [10:50] Lol clint- depends are you trying to packet filter or hack someone? [10:50] Nice to meet you to. I'm Dion. :) [10:50] Invoked, nope [10:50] <--- NewZealand, Hawkes Bay, Hastings. [10:50] only report the network attacks to US-CERT, sans, IP Joint Task force Security in the UK and others :) [10:50] tons of data, tons of logs, tons of attacks.. ;) [10:50] <--- Used to do silly stuff like Hack Not very useful in the end and just annoys people. [10:51] Yeah I bet :) [10:51] might be setting up my new sonciwall today which I didn't even setup, but working with blackpenguin on some things, he was telling me about portsentry I like the project.. and the operation purpose [10:51] hehe a user tries to use diff ports or port scans. then it just blacklist them in iptables [10:51] :) [10:52] Action: Invoked just goes buys a VPN using a hacked computer then buys a shell uses that shell to bring down a site (Using a free shell btw) [ and stolen credit card for the vpn ] and disconnect remove the software and all traces from the hacked PC and dispose of my portable laptop :P and boom I'm out scott free. [10:52] well I have wireshark running usually. and many other tools.. :) [10:52] Ah good ;P [10:52] when I suspect things.. there blocked [10:52] mac address level too [10:52] Haha [10:52] I can't wait till we all have to move to IPV6. [10:53] But I'll hate having to remember all the damn IP's I need to lol. [10:53] mac address level ... arp. [10:53] I can just remember 72 IPV4 IP's. [10:53] was thinking about building a pfsense box, but the sonicwall TZ 170 SP I got.. has 6000 firewall policies by default, total port control, you can block IP , IP ranges, subnets, mac addies, hostnames, total UTM control [10:53] Not bad ^ [10:53] and thats by default on a lin system you don't need all the anti virus stuff and spam etc [10:53] only paid $44 for it man :D [10:53] Do you own any websites? [10:53] from techforless and I mean its brand new, got it for 90% off [10:54] israeli site? mossad has you now, clint- ;) [10:54] I waited for other 1's like to drop in price but people always got it, so I was blessed with all the network crap I was dealing with from china, and constant persistent attackers to the 2wire I had got in 2006 [10:54] what a bloke device [10:54] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Xorg Input Hotplugging (Will fix your friends Mouse issue in Opensuse) [10:54] you know 2wire has a vulnerability in there firmware [10:54] Or just tell him to start dbus and hal and add the user to the permission group. [10:54] clint-: I read that somewhere. [10:55] and i have addressed it to them and they won't even let me talk to there supervisor, so I just sent data reports and logs to US-CERT , sans, and even level 3 communications security and ant in CA, network analaysis companies. [10:55] http://www.dse.co.nz/ <--- Shit Security. [10:55] seems they dont' care [10:55] but the other companies were like oh yeah? [10:55] Invoked - looks like wicd was already installed. Should I see a tray icon? [10:55] I said f** it, bought a sonicwall [10:55] hey jg71 [10:55] haha :) [10:56] Yeah fortunev [10:56] fortunev: -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/wicd/+bug/263993 [10:56] Israeli's never gave me problems jg71 ;-) [10:56] "wicd-client tray icon does not show in vertical system tray" [10:56] Depends fortunev [10:56] perhaps they were spoofing china, or japan, or using proxies though when they did the attacks :) [10:56] What Environment you using? [10:57] Gnome XFCE KDE Fluxbox fortunev ? [10:57] Invoked - KDE - is the config manual? [10:57] I'm not sure on that one. [10:57] I've never used Wireless in Slackware [10:57] hmmm... [10:57] Not with KDE anywway [10:57] Delahunt, my day is going to be busy making money anyways man, I was just trying to help [10:58] reading the info on wicd [10:58] You going clint- ? [10:58] and I didn't even have coffee yet ,but I'm off to the dunkin donuts where some hot women are :) [10:58] love it in #Slackware though.. always nice fellas.. [10:58] Awesome to meet you clint- :) [10:58] fortunev: you have to add yourself to the netdev group - and dopn [10:58] Invoked, same here [10:58] don't forget to logout/login for the new group permissions [10:58] ahhhh.... Thats got to be it! [10:58] I would assumed you would done that already fortunev. Sorry :S [10:59] "netdev group - and dopn" I thought you would of done that already fortunev so I was stumped ;P [10:59] I'l leave things open. I'll be back for a while, but then probably off.. possibly might be able to convert some older people into openSuSE today [10:59] THEN start /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd, then you should be able to see wicd-client [10:59] its not the only sys I work with or suse, but its a preferred sys.. and i like mac os x too. [10:59] Laters clint- :P [10:59] ZFS is really sweet, I need to start working with btrfs.. ;) [10:59] Mac OSX is good too clint- :P [10:59] thats what I like in openSOLARIS [10:59] yeah it is [11:00] on a lot of stuff, but still the proprietary there.. its argh [11:00] Invoked - I'v been spoild with Ubuntu, which does it all for you as part of the install. Growing paings [11:00] Action: Invoked likes Slackware and Debian Best :P [11:00] HFS is nice too [11:00] opensolaris is gone, but therell be a fork announced soon-ish [11:00] yeah deiban is a nice base system too [11:00] debian* [11:00] Ah fortunev Sorry I forgot but I thought you would of read the Documentation as well ol. [11:00] Lol. * [11:00] I stopped working though with debian in 2007 or 8 Invoked [11:00] there's already an opensuse fork - just not popular yet [11:00] Why's that clint- ? [11:00] dependency hell [11:00] clint-: ah! Lol. [11:01] Lenny is stable clint- :P [11:01] I wrote a script to compile compiz and the fusion packages from git.. back in 2007, when beryl and compiz were merging.. you can look it up on pastebin.ca [11:01] clint-: I've had dependency hell though :P [11:01] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF72F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: brb [11:01] had to switch from etch to lenny, because couldnt' even work with etch to get it done [11:01] required packages that were in testing.. :) [11:01] Yeah that happens when your packages are moved to testing [11:01] Yeah [11:01] kind of sucks when you have to use testing in order to build something [11:01] yep [11:01] Kind of pointless too lmao [11:02] well its nice though too, most modern linux systems are getting past the dependency issues [11:02] Well I still say a 3rd class ride is better then a 1st class walk :P [11:02] Nick change: darkrho|sleep -> darkrho [11:02] a lot of us that started early with linux systems, and those even in ancient times.. we are the 1's that are addressing the issues and coming out with solutions and prevention before it occurs so the newbies and newcomers wont' have to experience so much headache [11:03] lol [11:03] Indeed. Linux is very Good I believe. [11:03] Without The Devels Linux would go down the crapper [11:03] Thank God people hate Micro$0ft. [11:03] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [11:03] if we could slim down the distros though and focus with a few, it would prevail beyond belief [11:03] Indeed it would. [11:03] and empower the systems with more people. etc [11:03] but.. :/ [11:04] Bring Linux down to 15 Distros. [11:04] you got hundreds! [11:04] yep [11:04] But with Linux being OpenSOURCE! [11:04] Any Joe and harry and do whatever. [11:04] that too [11:04] And people would fight over what distro to be in the list [11:04] So it won't happen [11:04] and Linux won't be big and even Ubuntu won't last. [11:04] and well distrowatch is not completely accurate [11:04] omegageek (~alphageek@LONDON14-1176247318.sdsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:04] People bash UBuntu too much [11:04] I mean, [11:04] to a point, but not on the nail [11:04] Invoked: that's not the answer. just note which distro's are the base for the rest and start from there [11:04] well, I would rather use slackware or LFS then use ubuntu [11:04] I left Ubuntu 1 week after because, people kept calling me newbs :P [11:04] :) [11:05] worked with it from hedgehog into LTS 6.06 [11:05] Ah mk [11:05] and distrowatch only counts how many people search on a specific distro, not how many people install/run a distro [11:05] its too bulked.. security flawed [11:05] Ubuntu = Lazy Bewbs. [11:05] dngr (~dngr@n11649134009.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] my personal opinion [11:05] alisonken1home: and what site even shows how many people run it? None they are only show who voted for/against it. [11:05] hell alisonken1home [11:05] Action: risarisarisa looks down. [11:05] hello* [11:05] Keep hell mate [11:05] Lol. [11:06] well , using slackware you don't have to be a neweb [11:06] newb there the newbs [11:06] :) [11:06] Generally those who use Slackware aren't Newbs. [11:06] nah [11:06] or gentoo or arch for that matter [11:06] Arch Is awesome. [11:06] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF72F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] spent several hours and hours and months and time with gen [11:06] clint-, thanks bro it's all good [11:06] had my days [11:06] clint-: I BET ! [11:07] to me though you see I have to deploy whats user friendly but solid, and secure [11:07] Gentoo (Compiling from source on linux) takes forever unless you have a Core i7 Overclocked to 999999.99Ghz [11:07] and openSuSE does that [11:07] Yeah. I suppose :p [11:07] I only charge them for the services, the support etc.. [11:07] not for the distribution itself [11:07] RedHat :P [11:07] Lol. [11:07] and suse was the german translation of slackware ;) [11:07] so in history we have a part somewhere.. ;) [11:07] :D [11:08] but it went on its independent ride [11:08] Delahunt, np [11:08] and see why your mouse works with slackware out of the box, probably because its using an xorg.con , a nice 1 by default [11:08] and a nice detection method too [11:08] as where openSUSE as I explained.. doesn't have xorg.conf setup by default [11:09] its configuration bud [11:09] sometimes thats what gets a user really discourage, and man I have felt so many times and so many dreadful hours that i just wanted to move to an island and do nothing but enjoy the sunsets, [11:09] clint-: You don't need xorg.conf If dbus and hal are running. [11:09] Everything should work right away [11:10] with linux though you have to have some kind of patience, I know its dang hard, but you have to.. otherwise.. ;? [11:10] By the way Linux Is *ALWAYS* changing clint- [11:10] yeah but.. :/ [11:10] Never forget that. [11:10] yeah I know [11:10] Hell tomorrow Xorg might need xorg.conf files Lol. [11:10] You never know :P [11:10] Delahunt, did you try 11.2? [11:10] It's stupid to say that but meh [11:10] I told ya too man..11.3 to me a is a bug in itself :) [11:10] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] So clint- Why do you use OpenSuse seriously? [11:11] and really.. they should keep openSUSE releases to every 2 years imho [11:11] heck, 2 - 3 [11:11] Yeah, [11:11] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:11] I hate Distros taht release 6month Releases. [11:11] funking every time you turn around release having selfs... = bugs [11:11] Wastes too much of a data cap :P [11:11] <--- 20 Gig Data cap for $60 month in NewZealand. [11:11] well osuse is on the 8 months release cycle etc [11:11] that or longer [11:12] Gentoo hasn't had a new release in forever. [11:12] :P [11:12] debian I know is like every 2 years [11:12] Which is Good. [11:12] 2010 [11:12] Invoked, thats cos gentoo doesnt release. they compile. [11:12] Obviously ^ [11:12] Lol. [11:12] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:12] I'm talking about stuff like their "LiveDVDs" [11:12] and CentOS heck they have support for 7 years :P [11:13] and Invoked exactly what jg71 said [11:13] arch linux has the same concept [11:13] I'm going to release a distro one day That won't EVER release a new Version. But will add a package that updates everything and will give the whole thing a new feel to it! [11:13] lmao [11:13] :D [11:13] The only issue is [11:13] Invoked, I'm going to release my A.I. version some year [11:13] ;) [11:13] Nice. [11:13] I was actually just thinking. releasing an A.I. engine, module design though that can run on many linux boxes [11:14] Updating the entire system including the kernel without interrupting USER Experience will/would be hard. [11:14] and integrate with the linux kernel [11:14] that would piss off MS and apple both [11:14] Not to mention Automating a whole system upgrade isn't easy [11:14] and SCO too [11:14] omegageek (~alphageek@LONDON14-1176247318.sdsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:14] heck you just talk to it :) [11:14] That would KILL Microsoft almost [11:14] Because [11:14] Well [11:14] Microsoft would try and compete obviously [11:14] BUt, [11:15] fortunev (~user@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:15] Windows being the bloat ware it is [11:15] You'd need a pretty hefty PC to do it :P [11:15] not to mention some people might just goto Ubuntu to see what it is like :P [11:15] Action: Invoked watches it lag on a Live CD :o [11:15] Lol. [11:15] ah, um.. " Clint " to the A.I. whatever name is.. eh , yeah I would like to compile some source packages today> A.I. " No problem master, what would you like me to compile ? clint" oh this this this, and while your at it. I need you to build this site for me and its got this this this layout :) [11:15] Eventually DVDs and CDs will go out the window. You'll Buy OSes on a Flash Drive and Games for consoles on USB Drives. [11:16] slackpkg works very well [11:16] clint-: That would require a *LOAD* of work btw [11:16] hello clint- [11:16] I'll achieve my goal [11:16] But I'd love it clint- :P [11:16] watch me Invoked [11:16] Axius (~fd@92.85.216.56) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Good on ya clint- :D (Good Luck) [11:17] ty [11:17] You'll need it :P [11:17] thats for sure [11:17] Yw! [11:17] and invoked - that's the problem with using a revenue-based counter for Linux - it skews the numbers and companies like MS love to skew the numbers even more [11:17] well when your ambitions are high, and you think beyond the galaxies hehe [11:17] Haha [11:17] were capable of things man that are beyond where things are at.. [11:18] I believe Evolution is crap though [11:18] its probably a shame because everytime a Civilization gets smart or whatever, then Nibiru comes and resets everything -_- [11:18] We might advance in technology only because we are learning off others ideas. [11:18] I don't believe that in 2012 that will happen but meh [11:18] well people are inspired by ideas upon ideas and people [11:18] brb [11:19] but I also think with my own ambitions and endeavors , heck man when I was 5 I was thinking of stuff you wouldn't think a 5 year old would think of [11:19] and there are tons of people in the world that think big time outside of the box [11:19] yeah, 2012, could just be nothing.. [11:20] I have my beliefs as well, but ya know.. that can't start a war with others. so won't go there. I am going however to get coffee now.. :) [11:20] youll know the world is coming to an end when spammers offer to buy asteroids [11:20] clint-, no [11:20] can* [11:20] Dude on 2012 if there is even an Earthquake I'll pay you 20k [11:20] lol [11:20] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:20] and I don't mean an Earthquake that is so small that no one detected it either lol [11:20] I believe we have the technology to send a high powered lazer or off satellites. or the moon. etc whatever, or deploy things to destroy astroids completely and incerate it [11:21] The Government do. [11:21] The government can send a Jet Powered Atomic Bomb against an Asteriod. [11:21] Invoked: thousands of earthquakes are detected every year; can we collect now, in case yuo decide to wiggle out of it ? [11:21] It's not just a Jet obviously. [11:21] the gov and a bunch of chosen will just relocate to the dark side of the moon for 5 years, then come back. place wiped clean, fresh start. [11:21] adaptr: I'm talking about noticable ones from Decemeber 2012 20th to 24th [11:22] and also a laser that could be sent to create a atomic fusion reaction to a planet or asteroid and not just that, but even so.. 1 that could be sent and yes, just like the star trek where it creates a black hole and swallows the planet or asteroid [11:22] kind of like a deal of matter that keeps on compressing itself down to a pin point [11:22] jg71 Fresh start eh? How will they fucking repopulate jesus some people are idiots. [11:22] Not you jg71 But I just think some people are. [11:22] but you know, funny thing is, why the heck would NASA send a ton of plutonium to Jupiter and it create a earth size black image spot, then to Saturn.. [11:22] The only issue with a black hole is it never goes away [11:22] are they f*** crazy [11:23] Meh I bet [11:23] NASA is the 1's that are going to kill us.. stupid tails [11:23] there so smart there dumb [11:23] Indeed lol. [11:23] yes they can Invoked [11:23] many [11:23] Well you have Geniuses up here and Retards on the same level [11:23] That's not good in any case ^ [11:24] SirPsycho (~bieffe@60.54.136.165) left irc: [11:24] something of that mass and velocity coming at that speed though at probably over 50,000 miles per hour, and size, it would be almost impossible to stop. [11:24] clint-: Believing in Santa is more reliable Then Science at least Satan doesn't change his mind every 10 seconds. [11:24] illovae (~C-18@unaffiliated/illovae) joined ##slackware. [11:24] without having something like the death star [11:24] yeah lol [11:24] Then why bother stopping it? [11:24] Meh [11:24] divert it [11:24] hi [11:24] Indeed. [11:24] send it to mekka [11:24] ;) [11:25] I believe we have the technology to throw it off course [11:25] Mecca * [11:25] Lmao [11:25] and heck there probably already throwing so many dang things are apophis, or why there planning on blowing up jupiter and saturn or creating a second sun [11:25] Look clint- Humans could survive anything if they knew it was comming. [11:25] second sun? global warming ... ahem. [11:26] so that it stops Apophis the destroyer that if it goes there NASA's keyhole there talking about in 2029 , it won't hit us in 2039 in the Pacific ocean [11:26] clint-: Creating another Sun would be the Worst thing possible. [11:26] jg71: Global Warming is fake -_- damn. [11:26] if they can pinpoint exactly when something is coming like that and size, and when its coming back, they can stop it.. [11:26] CO2 doesn't even rise far enough into the atompshere. [11:26] there full of air too [11:26] Meh [11:26] . [11:26] Invoked, yep [11:26] if that happens, everything goes haywire on Earth [11:27] Eco life would be a disaster too [11:27] Global Warming is just a way for the Government to make more money. [11:27] already is with the BP spill [11:27] clint-: If they made a second sun the chances are We'd Burn up. [11:27] well Global Warming is true though [11:27] It would be too close. [11:27] polution does kill our atmosphere and our Magnetic shield is weak too [11:27] clint-: -- www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/moregw.htm [11:27] if the solar flares hit, heh, make sure you have your money out the bank :) [11:27] Sea Levels Not Rising Except In The Lies of the IPCC [11:28] Money won't matter. [11:28] Damn and who cares? [11:28] won't go to the site [11:28] When you die you are dead........ [11:28] I know [11:28] Why not? [11:28] There is no proof that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from human activity. Ice core records from the past 650,000 years show that temperature increases have preceded—not resulted from—increases in CO2 by hundreds of years, suggesting that the warming of the oceans is an important source of the rise in atmospheric CO2. As the dominant greenhouse gas, water vapour is far, far more important than C [11:28] O2. Dire predictions of future warming are based almost entirely on computer climate models, yet these models do not accurately understand the role or water vapor—and, in any case, water vapor is not within our control. Plus, computer models cannot account for the observed cooling of much of the past century (1940–75), nor for the observed patterns of warming—what we call the “fingerprints.” For example, the Antarctic i [11:28] s cooling while models predict warming. And where the models call for the middle atmosphere to warm faster than the surface, the observations show the exact opposite. [11:28] we were put on earth to inhabit it.. and eat of everything on it :) [11:28] fruits and all [11:28] The best evidence supporting natural causes of temperature fluctuations are the changes in cloudiness, which correspond strongly with regular variations in solar activity. The current warming is likely part of a natural cycle of climate warming and cooling that’s been traced back almost a million years. It accounts for the Medieval Warm Period around 1100 A.D., when the Vikings settled Greenland and grew crops, and the Little I [11:28] not have to buy anything, or go to work, etc [11:28] ce Age, from about 1400 to 1850 A.D., which brought severe winters and cold summers to Europe, with failed harvests, starvation, disease, and general misery. Attempts have been made to claim that the current warming is “unusual” using spurious analysis of tree rings and other proxy data. Advocates have tried to deny the existence of these historic climate swings and claim that the current warming is "unusual" by using spuriou [11:28] s analysis of tree rings and other proxy data, resulting in the famous “hockey–stick” temperature graph. The hockey-stick graph has now been thoroughly discredited. [11:28] Invoked, ... [11:29] If the cause of warming is mostly natural, then there is little we can do about it. We cannot control the inconstant sun, the likely origin of most climate variability. None of the schemes for greenhouse gas reduction currently bandied about will do any good; they are all irrelevant, useless, and wildly expensive: [11:29] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Invoked: don't do that. [11:29] Invoked, just pastebin it to me [11:29] Alrighty clint- [11:29] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:29] don't piss of the slacks ;) [11:29] Lol. [11:29] They are 'slack' though [11:29] ;P [11:29] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:29] glowal barming vs US$ dollars, what's the great difference? [11:29] http://pastebin.com/M9j9tHFH <--- clint- [11:30] I know about the greenouse gases already... ^^ [11:30] and CO2 [11:30] Solar Cycles, Not CO2 [11:30] Determine Climate :P [11:31] I'd be more scared of an Ice Age. [11:31] Then anything else :P [11:32] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [11:32] can slackware save the planet? [11:33] worldhlord: No. and Yes. [11:33] it already has [11:33] Save the planet from ubuntu. Save it from Death No. [11:34] omegageek (~alphageek@LONDON14-1176247318.sdsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:36] slackware with xfce is a great experience have used kde before but i've found out evince has no deps and than switched to xfce [11:36] m3tti: KDE sucks shit. [11:37] It's about as bloated as Windows is. [11:37] kde was nice it's the desktop when it comes to persuade someone [11:37] On Old Computers (Semprons and Celerons ) It can't even load it's Window Manager properly. [11:37] That's up the GPU, so it would be on board (Motherboard Graphics) but still! [11:38] ok thats another part [11:38] i've running xfce with compositing features and it runs way faster than kde with compositing [11:38] Obviously. [11:38] XFCE is special. [11:38] XFCE is good too. [11:38] i think its qt which trimms down the speed [11:39] Yeah. [11:39] I can't even use xfce on my P3 [11:39] It's 3:36AM here. [11:40] what the around here it 5:35PM [11:40] Ah. [11:40] <--- NewZealand m3tti [11:40] Sunday Morning here m3tti [11:40] <--- Germany Invoked and also Sunday [11:40] What part of the world you in m3tti ? [11:41] o.o [11:41] Really? [11:41] So it'll be monday there soon [11:41] ? [11:41] oh no saturday XD [11:41] I was going to say lol [11:41] NewZealand was the first country to see light that is why we are so far ahead [11:41] I was like [11:41] Hmm wtf. [11:41] Channel flood from Invoked -- kicking [11:41] Lol. [11:41] i'm a stupid student [11:41] Invoked kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:41] Invoked (~Invoked@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:41] Don't worry m3tti :P [11:41] lost in time XD [11:41] Hah [11:42] (NewZealand) first for time :P [11:42] Btw [11:42] If 2012 does happen [11:42] End of the world, what time zone is that going by? [11:42] we are rid of you? [11:42] Lmao [11:42] Stfu bp{K} [11:42] You are like the BP Oil Spill no one wants you! [11:42] :o [11:43] wow, how refreshing orginal. [11:43] It is isn't it? [11:43] Now eat dirt slacker. [11:43] /ignore . [11:43] you need to leave [11:43] you contribute nothing [11:43] I'm kidding adaptr :P [11:43] too late for that by about an hour [11:43] I contribute Support and a few jokes. And if you don't like it remove me :) [11:44] Mr.Geilmen I don't know what I've done to you but meh [11:44] looks to me like someone wandered from their village [11:44] Oh *Boy* more c0ck suckers. [11:45] Just mind your own business and stop gang banging. [11:45] Invoked: let me see if I can't get you that ban you're looking for [11:45] kickack (~kickback@122.163.201.90) joined ##slackware. [11:45] adaptr: Lets see if I can get that Ignore for you :) [11:45] anyone else using mutt ??? Want to setup my gpg thing [11:45] its 1 of the oldest linux around though [11:45] from minix [11:45] well kind of based off software landing I think eh? [11:45] Welcome back clint- [11:45] SLS [11:45] Ye [11:45] Yep [11:45] I was reading how it was based off SLS [11:45] Slackware is based off taht too [11:45] that * [11:47] does the guy who created slackware, Patrick V etc come here? [11:47] No clue. [11:47] Volkerding etc [11:47] first honest answer you gave [11:48] adaptr: Stfu Trolley. [11:48] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-11-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] /whois Invoked [11:48] er [11:48] There always has to be some p r i ck to ruin everything hasn't there adaptr ? [11:48] lol [11:48] i was wondering why tab complete didnt work [11:48] mwalling: some clueless kiwi, who's lucky he doesn't get klined before he's done [11:48] initself: You alive? [11:49] I ain't lucky for shit adaptr and you should really consider being more polite. [11:49] clint-: he very occasionally stops by. Usually around release time or so. But in general no (considering the signal:noise ratio here, I am not that suprised). [11:49] ah [11:49] ty BP{k} [11:49] slackytude|evil (~slacky@drms-4d000c6d.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] seems like a friendly guy, [11:50] Invoked: when I am talking to you, you will know. You will get a decidedly uncomfortable feeling in your lower intestine. [11:50] Invoked and that's just from his breath [11:50] Yeah I already did. I'm full of s h i t now. [11:50] Action: Invoked clears The Screen his Intestine and adaptr all at the same time. [11:51] omegageek (~alphageek@LONDON14-1176247318.sdsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:51] Man some people talk rubbish. [11:51] Invoked: when you have the balls to act like this to a random stranger on the street, let me know. we'll send you a fruit basket. [11:51] nah [11:51] Soon you'll tell me you are some God adaptr. [11:51] take no offense to things on IRC or the net initself [11:51] Invoked, [11:51] its pointless.. [11:51] adaptr: Random people on the Street have more brains then you. [11:51] maybe he's just messing with you [11:51] clint-: I'm just taking the piss because I'm bored. [11:52] I've got nothing better to do then reply to his remarks atm [11:52] ah.. ;) [11:52] It's 3:50AM almost 4 My Ignore drive is offline [11:52] Invoked: so stop it and everyone's happy [11:52] :P [11:52] I didn't start anything pprkut. [11:52] He started it and I'm finishing it. [11:52] Enough said. [11:53] o.O [11:53] So, clint- What's new? [11:53] I don't care who started it. *you* should stop it, or someone else will... [11:53] a nap I think [11:53] I just did pprkut "and I'm finishing it.". [11:53] good [11:53] Awesome; laters clint- :P [11:53] this discussion is relevant to my interests [11:53] woke up too early , took girl to work, foremans in St. Louis watching the birdies [11:53] ;P [11:53] weekend off [11:53] Lol clint- :P [11:54] maybe get coffee later, I was going to check on that client job. .but mayber later on in the day, I'm kind of sleepy [11:55] had a long extensive work out at the gym last nite.. swam, as well, and everything was in the Sauna for 1 hour and 15 mins lol [11:56] lol [11:58] Axius (~fd@92.85.216.56) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:59] Axius (~fd@92.85.216.56) joined ##slackware. [12:02] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:03] Invoked - wifi up and running! Woohooo Victory! [12:03] Good fortunev :) [12:04] say [12:04] ? [12:05] congrats [12:05] clint - Thanks! -- [12:06] nah.. off to get coffee.. if I sleep I might end up sleeping for a while.. plus I got that movie Legion, and also I been watching Spartacus episodes [12:06] fortunev, np [12:06] welcome [12:06] during install I picked the worst term font possible. Any way to change that? [12:06] I can rem the 7 months I spent hacking a broadcom to get it where I wanted, but its thinkpads and macbook pros' as far as notebooks go [12:07] dont' really care for anything else. .the Asus notebooks are nice too, but I cannot stand glossy displays [12:07] I got a brand new.. Samsung 22" LCD in the box, was on sale at newegg, $279 screen etc, $300 roughly.. retail would probably be higher, got for $119 with big discount because lady reps were being rude.. [12:07] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:08] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:08] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:08] stop teasing ;) [12:08] Axius_ (~fd@92.85.216.56) joined ##slackware. [12:08] I did want to go LED but I like solid construction, don't care for all the glossy stuff, they have glossy stuff like on everything, its a dust magnet, and also it reflects the light.. but I do enentualy wil get an LED [12:08] well jg71 I got to build the workstation as well [12:08] man I been building everything sweet for everyone else.. but not even me :) [12:09] john_dee (~id@93-81-140-144.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:09] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [12:09] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001345 [12:10] New egg ftw! [12:10] Lol. [12:10] jg71, I have had it for like over a month now. and I havn't even unboxed it :P [12:10] fortunev: you were the guy with the broadcom 4306? [12:10] I should have becuase I need to check for dead pixels and also should off added an extended replacement warranty on it [12:10] kickack - Naaa... [12:10] clint-: I paid $500 for this Monitor 22" Samsung 1680 X 1050 2ms :P [12:10] i think id order at newegg occasionally if it werent for the taxes at customs. such a show-stopper [12:11] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:11] hehe [12:11] well I was blessed [12:11] :) [12:11] I'm a preferred customer to newegg anyways, and also tigerdirect and techforless [12:11] Invoked - on install I selected an awful terminal font. How can I select a different one? and how do I edit sudousers? [12:11] padhu (~padhu@112.79.192.182) joined ##slackware. [12:12] Lady reps were down right rude.. so they had it comin, supervisor was like.. oh no.. its not going to be like this, we appreicate your business [12:12] Just click Edit Current Profile and change it via there from Mono or whatever to whatever [12:12] TTY font for frame buffer [12:12] pkgtool [12:12] elbeardmorez (~elbeardmo@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:12] oh lol. [12:12] Dunno mate [12:12] Invoked, don't tell me but I bet I know which you have [12:13] clint-: tell me. [12:13] LCD or LED? [12:13] LCD. [12:13] I'll look at an LED Screen soon perhaps. [12:13] I think the 3D tvs will suck! [12:13] is it the BW series? [12:14] with the gloss frame on it and the swivel [12:14] Nick change: padhu -> Padhu [12:14] I fell asleep watching a 3D TV with a bunch of black dudes on the TV I woke up and my wallet was gone :o [12:14] Elfo (~n@bl18-68-184.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:14] it is bw clint- [12:14] ;) [12:14] I think [12:14] SyncMaster thingy [12:14] http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Syncmaster-Widescreen-1680x1050-Resolution/dp/B001715BJQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1281802207&sr=8-5 [12:14] It's 4:11 am can't see shit on it [12:14] lol [12:14] yes [12:14] I have ordered 2 of those models [12:15] but I got them for a good price on newegg, [12:15] 1 was a 20" though 2ms gtg [12:15] SyncMaster 206bw [12:15] and the other a 206BW [12:15] 21." [12:15] its not 22" [12:15] Er, mine is 20" sorry lol [12:15] ah so the 1 I got in the shop is exactly like yours [12:15] 3000:1 Dynamic Contrast [12:15] Btw. [12:15] It's a GOOD MONITOR [12:16] yep [12:16] I know [12:16] I've never had One issue with it. [12:16] in 3 years. [12:16] Not one issue [12:16] let me log into my newegg account [12:16] which one? [12:16] Hi guys. Anyone can help me out with slackare's init scripts? [12:16] my 22" samsung the 1 I got still unboxed is.. [12:16] 50000:1 [12:16] 5ms [12:16] Axius (~fd@92.85.216.56) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:16] Elfo: what problem do you have? [12:16] 1680x1050 [12:17] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-5-47.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:17] i made a script that I would like to be called before my machine shuts down or reboots [12:17] I ordered the 1 you have for the shop back in 4/3/2008 [12:17] I assumed that calling my script from /etc/rc.d/rc.S would do it, but no joy [12:18] this is what it is [12:18] SAMSUNG 206BW Black 20" 2 ms (GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor [12:18] Elfo, right, create a script called /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown and make it executable. Then call your script from rc.local_shutdown. [12:18] Axius (~fd@92.85.216.56) joined ##slackware. [12:18] and I'm logged into my account its the only way you can view the monitor on newegg [12:18] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001095 [12:18] thats your monitor [12:18] but should it not work from rc.S or even rc.6? [12:19] Elfo: "/etc/rc.d/rc.S: System initialization script." <-- so that's rather likely the wrong place to put it in regardless. [12:19] Invoked, am I right eh? [12:19] ;) [12:20] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] It is clint-. [12:20] ^_^ [12:20] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:20] I have ordered that monitor twice for 2 systems I built [12:20] It looks smaller then mine though clint- Lol. [12:20] I was going to get the same 1.. but I ended up getting something dif [12:20] yeah pictures it will [12:21] I know it looks though :) [12:21] Btw mate [12:21] When you get it [12:21] Turn on The Feature Real Life Colour [12:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:21] this is what I paid for that at the time [12:21] $279.99 [12:21] IT MAKES EVERYTHING LOOK AWESOME [12:21] <--- $500 NZD here. [12:21] Elfo: While it may work from /etc/rc.d/rc.6. The better place (IMO) is rc.loca_shutdown, which will be called by rc.{0,6}, and leaves the rc.6 script alone. (less work on upgrades). [12:21] jcn_ (~jcn@189.58.218.141.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Axius_ (~fd@92.85.216.56) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:21] hehe [12:21] You US clint- ? [12:21] yes [12:21] Illinois [12:21] Let me convert it [12:21] god [12:21] clint- is here? [12:22] Action: clint- nope [12:22] I just CAN'T get away from him [12:22] ;) [12:22] ;) [12:22] ok, I can see that it might not be the best place... but It should work. And if it doesn't, I wonder if all the daemons (like sshd or httpd) are shutting down correctly... [12:22] I paid 356.55 USD. [12:22] Dominian, Invoked has me beat [12:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] I get no sales tax on newegg and techforless Invoked [12:23] :) [12:23] yeah lol. [12:23] i'm running alsckware64 13.1, btw [12:23] tiger though, its okie, because they have a warehouse not too far from where I live [12:23] same state [12:23] TigerDirect? [12:23] yep [12:23] mk [12:23] I prefer newegg a lot though and techforless.. [12:23] but I been with tigerdirect the longest out of all 3 [12:23] Nz Just got Doritoes in this country a few months back lol [12:24] order through all 3 anyways whatever I need whoever has the best deals [12:24] yeah [12:24] lmao are you kidding me? [12:24] Nope. [12:24] Lol. [12:24] clint-: I use a place here in Indiana called 3btech.net for some things.. good prices on most [12:24] It's like we pay $42 USD for a 20 gig data cap. [12:24] Dominian, your alive actually? ;) [12:24] a month clint- :P [12:24] j/k [12:24] Dominian, thats cool [12:25] Elfo: rc.6 should work yes. But since you said you had the script in rc.S ... that will *not* work on shutdown. [12:25] init 6 [12:25] :o [12:25] i tried on rc.6 as well [12:25] no go :( [12:26] what won't go.. :S [12:26] tried, shutdown, halt, reboot, init 6, and init 0 [12:26] STUPID HUMAN NOSE! [12:26] * Solarius has quit (Input/output error) [12:26] Lol. [12:26] does something got the sigkill locked? [12:26] Well. clint- I'm off to bed. [12:26] Talk to you later buddy [12:26] It's 4:23 am here. [12:26] later Invoked [12:26] Laters mate. [12:26] Ciao all Slackers! [12:26] tc [12:26] none of those commands made my script run from either rc.S or rc.6 [12:26] Bye all! (Bed for me) Ciao! [12:27] Elfo: did you make the script executable by running "chmod +x /etc/rc.d/ ? [12:27] Action: Invoked is away: Gone [12:27] as root [12:27] of course :) [12:27] it works when i call it directly [12:27] Invoked: turn off your public away [12:27] Elfo, whats the script look like? [12:27] ah [12:27] Axius_ (~fd@92.85.216.56) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Action: sahko slaps slackboy [12:28] Elfo: post it at a pastebin and let us have a look at it [12:28] my script basically uses virsh to shutdown all running KVM machines [12:28] ah [12:28] ok, hold on [12:30] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-68.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:31] Elfo: did you follow BP{k}'s advice about creating /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown and calling it from there? [12:32] i'll do it in a minute. one of the VMs running on that host is my dnd server, so i'll fall from IRC when I reboot it [12:32] Invoked (~Invoked@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Phazey Has Left The Building! [12:32] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] here is my script: http://pastebin.com/xRdauRL9 [12:33] Elfo: where in /etc/rc.d/rc.6 did you put it? (rough line number idea) [12:33] just after the path definition [12:34] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-68.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:34] please ignore the last line on the script. it's just a marker to see if it was executed [12:34] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-5-47.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:34] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [12:37] have you ran it without the touch /root/yep ? [12:37] Axius_ (~fd@92.85.216.56) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:37] of course [12:37] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:37] I'm still studying bash more advancely and bash pro [12:37] studying hard too [12:37] no expert by all means [12:37] the script runs as intended if called directly [12:38] so you have this running on shutdown eh? [12:38] with runlevle 6 [12:38] runlevel 6 [12:38] that's the plan [12:38] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:38] it will run if you call it but not when it goes through init 6 [12:39] erm :S [12:39] this way I wont have to worry about shutting down all VMs before rebooting my host [12:39] that's right [12:39] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [12:39] maybe some other process or script is interupting the call on the script [12:39] during shutdown, [12:39] right [12:40] I have no idea :( noob here :s [12:40] you wrote it yourself? [12:40] i tried to call it as early as possible in both rc.S and rc.6 [12:40] tell ya what.. ask #bash [12:40] yes, with the help of google and a bash tutorial [12:40] they might be able to help :) [12:41] with 482 people , gotta be someone thats expert enough to figure out what could be happening [12:41] ah I see [12:41] I don't think it's a problem with the script itself... as I said before: the script works [12:41] k [12:41] something else is interfering with it thoug [12:41] do you have security mac's tomoyo , or other things? [12:41] Axius (~fd@92.85.216.56) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:41] it's just beeing called on shutdown / reboot [12:42] have you talked to #bash yet? [12:42] i'm running vanila slackware64 13.1 on that host [12:43] looked into any logs? [12:43] Elfo: how do you exactly call your script? [12:43] + libvirt, qemu-kvm and virt-manager, from slackbuilds and freenx from alien_bob [12:43] well if its a script to run at rc.6 erm [12:44] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) joined ##slackware. [12:44] i just put a line like this: "/etc/rc.d/rc.vm_shutdown" [12:44] is that wrong? [12:45] not wrong per se - but it's always a good idea to wrap it in a "if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.vm_shutdown ] ; then .... fi [12:45] check [12:45] http://pastebin.com/ePELHnTc [12:45] hello, is there any more recent multilib distribution then the one at alien's wiki? I mean multilib packages based on current? [12:46] mina86: No, and don't really expect one either I think [12:46] BP{k}: stale " [12:46] ah - and you probably forgot to tell it to run in the current environtment (note the leading period that BP{k}put in) [12:46] thx. i'll try that [12:46] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-36-24.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:46] BP{k}: thx, that's what I was afraid of [12:47] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:47] mina86: Probably the idea here is, that if you are capable of running -current, you should be able to figure stuff like that out yourself. AlienBOB might release -current based packages when we're in the RC phase, but I guess -current is too much of a moving target still. [12:47] uh, wait [12:47] oh, and i meant rc.K not rc.S hehehe [12:48] Elfo: haha, bit of a difference there ;) [12:48] actually gcc and glibc haven't changed... [12:48] rc.6 and what else Elfo [12:48] rc.S ? [12:48] so version from 13.1 are the most recent anyway [12:48] or 5 [12:48] i know i know. rc.6 and rc.K [12:48] they said doesn't sound like a bash issue :) [12:48] BP{k}: well, running current is order of magnitude simpler then compiling gcc [12:49] explained to them your isssue [12:49] and as I stated too , theres an interrupt somewhere, or MAC security , or something. [12:49] clint-: slackware doesn't have an rc.5 by default ;) [12:49] come on slackware :D [12:49] ah , well I'm an osuse user, and some other plats [12:49] but I respect slack.. :) [12:49] ScreamerX (~screamer@91.118.60.71) joined ##slackware. [12:49] as suse originated from it.. ;) [12:50] unfortunately, SuSE decided to fork away from slack and now is not like slack anymore [12:50] i know [12:50] s0d (~sod@host86-175-233-173.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:50] I can't deploy slackware though on tons of residential machines and small businesses :) [12:51] probably could, but already in a jangle [12:51] not a system newbies I think could get.. ;) [12:51] don't see why not - I've already got non-geeks running it, including a 70+ grandpa [12:51] tons are happy with openSuSE though [12:51] make good money at it [12:51] and my 8y/o [12:51] well thats cool [12:51] I have older people running osuse as well [12:52] I plan on checking out slack though [12:52] atually freaked a coworker out when he saw slackware boot on my laptop - he was still under the impression that slack was a server o/s [12:52] Elfo: if that doesn't work .. I would start to royally apply logging statements to the code. Either echo or 'set -x' in various scripts and redirecting them to files where needed so you can examine the output. [12:53] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:53] I know gentoo , arch and slackware are a lot a like right? [12:53] not even close [12:53] clint-: no [12:53] ah [12:53] the only thing the same is the kernel [12:53] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-68.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:53] was guessing [12:53] slack still using the tar.gz setup? [12:53] considering the amount of work I do to keep my slackware up-to-date, I think anyone can do it [12:53] .tgz or .txz [12:53] maintaining slackware is a piece of cake. [12:54] Action: adrien wants cake :-) [12:54] I knew this guy was a major slackware user and coded some really cool stuff on his system, even a deal where he could be in a non X terminal, and split the screen and still have X [12:54] the hardest work I've had was the 13.0->13.1 when libata changed - otherwise ... :) [12:54] :P [12:54] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] but then he went to * the big slug* [12:54] oops sorry.. * I mean snail* [12:54] meant* [12:54] Isle of Man [12:54] same thing [12:54] that didn't work... gona try rc.local_shutdown now [12:55] opensuse? [12:55] nah :P [12:55] the only difference is a slug is a snail without a shell [12:55] Isle of Man is where its origins are :P [12:55] I was shocked off my a** [12:55] cake does sound good [12:56] well both then :D [12:56] foldy (~foldy@ip-85-160-71-123.eurotel.cz) joined ##slackware. [12:57] if you even mention 1 thing slightly off.. your #offtopic ! .. offtopic!.. and again and again.. so much for friendly group [12:57] I wouldn't use it if you paid me to use it [12:57] I would rather go on Nature Hikes. :) [12:57] foldy (~foldy@ip-85-160-71-123.eurotel.cz) left irc: Client Quit [12:57] .. WTF are you talking about? [12:57] even friendly people can lose their temper [12:57] exactly^ [12:57] oh nothing.. ^_^ [12:58] a longtime slackware user I knew.. and locally, who migrated to something else.. ;) [12:58] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:58] but aren't there only like 5 people who live there? [12:58] he told me too, because he had no problem when he submitted a bug report or something, it was taken care of [12:59] thought slackware was quick though.. thats what I thought.. I have read too there quick on response [12:59] he was into programming when he was 5, name was Zach or Zak, can't rem.. maybe he had a fallout with some devs [12:59] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) left ##slackware. [13:01] foldy (~foldy@ip-85-160-71-123.eurotel.cz) joined ##slackware. [13:02] foldy (~foldy@ip-85-160-71-123.eurotel.cz) left irc: Client Quit [13:05] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:08] wertik_ (~wertik@95-27-168-246.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:09] anyone got any tips on switching from 64-bit to 32-bit slackware? [13:09] dont do it [13:09] wai? [13:09] @BP{k} well, still no joy :( [13:10] Elfo: even with running from rc.local_shutdown? [13:10] EthanG: why do you want to do that? [13:10] that's right [13:11] adrien: need 32-bit for some things & couldn't be bothered with multilib [13:11] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-36-24.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:11] multilib isn't hard at all [13:11] oh good [13:11] easier than to reinstall to get 32bit [13:11] EthanG: I think the best way to move between $ARCH is to reinstall. [13:11] BP{k}: ya I think so too [13:11] Anything else and you're pretty much "on yer own and good luck to ya" [13:12] actually, it is the only way :P [13:12] with my spare partition reinstalling wouldn't be hard as such [13:12] mmhmm! [13:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:12] EthanG: since you're a sourcemage guru, you might also want to try using a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland. it would also be a small challenge [13:13] no challenge at all [13:13] gnoel (~gsan@66.65.134.160) joined ##slackware. [13:13] I think I did that accidentally once, lol [13:13] i dont know anyone doing that on Slack [13:14] it doesn't make any difference to anything, as far as I recall, except making recompiling the kernel a pain. I ran a 32-bit chroot for ages [13:14] wertik_ (~wertik@95-27-168-246.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:14] my script is executed if i call rc.local_shutdown directly.... [13:15] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-136-220.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:15] you might also dual boot. im no fan of multilib either [13:17] Elfo: pastebin your rc.local_shutdown ? [13:17] gnoel (~gsan@66.65.134.160) left irc: Client Quit [13:18] i just pasted your pastbin in it (except for the extra double quote) [13:18] it works fine, if rc.local_shutdown is called directly [13:20] i don't think rc.local_shutdown (or rc.K and rc.6, for that matter) are being executed no poweroff / reboot, for some reason [13:20] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Elfo: # Run any local shutdown scripts: \n if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown ]; the /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown stop <-- straight from rc.6 [13:20] Nick change: risarisarisa -> miss_riss [13:20] add "echo "Starting rc.local_shutdown" just after #!/bin/bash and see if you catch that [13:21] as long as you "chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown" [13:21] as root [13:21] i don't think it is shutting down sshd and httpd daemons either... [13:21] next youre claiming its not running rc.6 at all!! ;) [13:22] Elfo, what does "cat /etc/slackware-version" say? [13:22] (lets be sure hes running slackware) [13:23] i'm not claiming anythink. i just gave my opinion based on what is happening (or what is *not* happening) [13:23] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [13:23] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] jg71: that's funny ;-) [13:24] jg71: really you could have framed that better ;) [13:26] gona put a marker like so "touch /root/it_works" on my rc.6 and gona issue "poweroff" [13:27] is poweroff an alias for halt these days? [13:27] an alternative - yes [13:27] (just checking, I havnen't shut my box down once yet) [13:27] wertik__ (~wertik@93-80-243-36.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:27] cat /etc/*rsio* ( since various derratives leave /etc/slackware-versin in tact. and make their own [13:27] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-07-13 00:39 /sbin/poweroff -> halt* [13:28] o ^^; [13:29] Elfo: did you actually _call_ /sbin/halt? [13:29] or are you simulating it? [13:30] i tried, reboot, poweroff, halt, init 0, and init 6 [13:30] rather "/sbin/shutdown" [13:30] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-136-220.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:30] i think that covers everything [13:30] alisonken1home: halt calls shutdown if not given the -f arg. same for reboot [13:31] wertik_ (~wertik@95-27-128-59.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:33] Wonder where Old_Fogie is off to? haven't seen him in a loooong time. hope nothign is wrong [13:34] wertik__ (~wertik@93-80-243-36.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:34] alisonken1home: he was lurking @ LQ not too long ago [13:34] alisonken1home: jeev ran him off long ago, he may be in here as another alias tho. He's still active on LQ last i checked. [13:35] but he's been away from ## for a long while [13:35] I've noticed he's been gone :) [13:35] didn't know why [13:35] locate Old_Fogie [13:35] :) [13:36] a real shame [13:39] who was old_fogie? [13:39] old guy even older than me that played with slack [13:39] he even decided to build gnome on slack [13:39] ZMR (~Who@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:39] had fun with that one [13:39] wertik_ (~wertik@95-27-128-59.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:40] not many people who had decided to play with gnome on Slack are still doing that [13:40] gsb is the only exception that comes to mind [13:40] high mortality rate [13:41] Volkerding accepted fogie's gnome slackbuild or he did for himself for fun? [13:41] he did it for fun [13:41] pat does not accept Gnome for slackware anymore :) [13:41] oh [13:42] i know, i thought when gnome was still the part of slack [13:46] evince should be a part of slackware though [13:46] if you use xfce you've only xpdf [13:46] and that can't do the beamer class of latex [13:47] for presentations [13:47] so there's no decent pdf viewer without nasty deps. why does that not surprise me? [13:47] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-222-25.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] somebody should do something with poppler though [13:48] evince has no deps in slackware [13:48] hit it with a sledgehammer, EthanG ? [13:49] heh, i used gs when xpdf showed me middle finger [13:49] evince at least in parts requires poppler. [13:49] okular is a nice app. basically the reason for me to have kde installed. [13:49] hrm haven't build poppler for evince [13:49] m3tti: really? ah my mistake [13:50] thou shall mistake no more! [13:50] I think poppler will already be installed, it's at least optional for the gimp, but it's a required dep for gtk [13:50] :] [13:50] don't know but in the readme of the slackbuild was nothing as requirement [13:50] m3tti: when I tried building newer versions of evince last year, it was moaning about requiring a newer version of poppler. Also "ldd /usr/bin/evince | grep poppler" [13:51] i had no problems. Build it 2 days ago with 13.1 [13:51] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [13:51] m3tti: well SBo works on the idea that you have a full install of Slackware. Since poppler is part of Slackware, I refuse to name it as a dependency. [13:52] makes sense to me. keeping up with all deps can drive you nuts [13:52] jcn_ (~jcn@189.58.218.141.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:53] omegageek (rooot@69-165-138-51.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:53] EthanG: Exactly, add to that that most people have drives > 5GB ;) Plus there is the school of thought that if you install and pick and mix, you should know what you are doing and thus being able to resolve problems arising from that. [13:53] frk (~jcn@189.58.218.141.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:54] helen123 (~user@83.46.100.54) joined ##slackware. [13:55] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:55] "we want the system administrator (that's you) to be responsible for building the packages." slackbuilds.org [13:55] BP{k}: yes indeed. I really wanted to pick and mix, but even with a source based distro had to give up in the end [13:56] EthanG: I used to pick and mix without much problems, then i got older and just thought .. oh what the smeg .. I just install everything and be done with it. [13:57] I enjoyed fixing the bugs I found, but had no time for other coding [13:57] I have now, much happier ^^ [13:57] I figured if I needed a humongous storage system for porn or pictures, just use a minimal nfs system on an old p4 - otherwise, do a full install on the desktop/laptop [13:58] 5GB... I could do a full install on my iBook from 2001, if there was a PPC slack, lol. I'd still have space left over from OS X [13:59] s/from/compared to/ [13:59] heh i'm maintaining a very minimal pick and mix install of slackware and yes, deps are often a PITA [13:59] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [14:00] but i do have the time and inclination to resolve them [14:00] I'm sick of them, so much so I'm picking through some perl code in order to clone it in another language rather than install some bits from CPAN which won't compile out of the box [14:01] O.O [14:03] yeah I'm nuts :p [14:03] but I'm _really_ sick of deps XD [14:07] Axius (~fd@92.82.66.5) joined ##slackware. [14:07] actually, me too. but the problem was that I was on a MEPIS 8.5 install and I wanted to install VLC. the version in the repo required an older version of a program foo,which also happened to be in the repo, but when i tried to uninstall it, it also tried to take phonon, mplayer and lots of vital system shit with it. this shit doesn't happen with slackware [14:08] i hope that made sense [14:08] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:08] which is called first: rc.6 or rc.K? [14:09] ack! yes it made sense all right [14:09] yoyoned (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [14:09] Elfo: look at /etc/inittab and see [14:09] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [14:10] l6:6:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc.6 <-- this line means that rc.6 is executed by init when it goes into runlevel 6. [14:11] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:11] Elfo: /etc/rc.d/* are well documented, read them if you want to understand how works runlevel management in slackware [14:11] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:12] frk (~jcn@189.58.218.141.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:13] hello, i'm trying to boot slackware (in an usb drive) from grub2 (also in the usb drive). I get: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on onknown-block(0,0)". In the list of available partitions is only listed the hard drive, but not the usb drive [14:14] helen123: sounds like you need an initrd or a kernel with usb drivers [14:14] 0,0 ? heh [14:14] the huge kernel doesn't have that? [14:14] wait, grub first [14:14] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:14] oh no ignore me [14:15] "unknown block (0,0)" is a kernel message, it just happens to look like a grub drive [14:15] helen123: either that or /boot/grub/menu.lst needs some help with the usb setup [14:16] i'm using first the command line of grub directly. the commands i introduced were: root (hd0,4), linux /boot/vmlinuz-huge... root=UUID= [14:16] the problem is that your usb drive isn't ht0 :) [14:16] hd0 rather [14:17] erm [14:17] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:17] or are you trying to boot from a rescue usb thumbdrive that was created when you installed slackware? [14:17] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:18] aw. did invoked quit? too bad. next time hes around: http://instantrimshot.com/ [14:18] no, i have the first partition with grub2, second and third data, fourth with slackware installed from the cd [14:18] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:18] helen123: ok - so you're trying to run slackware from a usb drive? [14:19] yes [14:19] and you installed it to the usb drive? [14:19] yes, in the cd i selected a partition in the usb drive [14:20] ScreamerX (~screamer@91.118.60.71) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:20] ok - need to update your grub setup to look at the usb drive - there's some extra setup stuff that needs to happen to run from a usb drive [14:20] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:20] helen123: also, did you say you installed slack on the fourth partition? that means you have to use (hd0,3) in GRUB, not (0,4) [14:21] one of the issues is that /etc/fstab may have to be dynamically generated because usb thumbdrives do not always come up as the same drive [14:21] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.95.220) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:21] labels and UUIDs help there [14:22] kickack: in grub2 the second number starts with 1 [14:22] labels preferably, UUIDs mean you need a widescreen monitor to edit fstab [14:22] i'm using uuid in grub and in fstab [14:22] however, I don't think the usb thumbdrive comes up as hd0 [14:23] oh ok then [14:23] Axius (~fd@92.82.66.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:23] if that is what you mean by fstab dynamicaly generated [14:24] Padhu (~padhu@112.79.192.182) left irc: Quit: going to sleep [14:24] you won't need it dynamically generated when using UUIDs [14:24] actually, in /etc/rc.S you may have to do some dynamic fstab creating because the thumbdrive root won't always be the same device on all machines [14:25] alisonken1home: mount /dev/disk/by_uuid/ [14:25] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.95.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:26] Axius (~fd@92.82.69.93) joined ##slackware. [14:26] EthanG: that's an advanced issue :) [14:26] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [14:26] well, the syntax i'm using in fstab is changing /dev/sdxy for UUID= [14:26] i don't know if that's correct [14:27] don't think so - I think you have to add some extra subdirectories for that [14:27] alisonken1home: oh seriously, which is more 'advanced', using something the kernel always provides and recognizes, or writing your own bloody init script to alter fstab? [14:27] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:28] EthanG: knowing about using uiid is not always in the install readme's - and slackware readme's are desined for installing to hd not to thumbdrive [14:28] in that case, it's considered an advanced topic [14:29] so it's not an issue if the kernel "provides" it - it's an issue of "does the document show how to do it?" [14:29] especially when doing an install [14:29] alisonken1home: and you're advocating writing a difficult script instead [14:29] EthanG: I was pointing out that installing slackware is more advanced than just selecting the thumbdrive from the install script [14:30] installing slackware to a thumbdrive is more advanced [14:30] oh right, ok [14:33] what can i use to burn audio cds in slackware without kde? [14:33] cdrecord - and read the steps carefully since you have to be sure about some settings for a redbook audio cd [14:34] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:34] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:36] shark79 (~ronald@93.86.120.236) joined ##slackware. [14:36] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.34) joined ##slackware. [14:38] m3tti: try xfburn also [14:38] s0d (~sod@host86-175-233-173.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:39] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:42] kickack: i need to build that? [14:42] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-173.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] i guess so [14:42] hrm two deps [14:42] shark79 (ronald@93.86.120.236) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:44] actually, a lot of gui/cli cdburners call cdrecord ratehr than remake the functionality [14:46] kickack: xfburn looks great [14:46] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] m3tti: yes indeed [14:47] i'm actually building it now [14:48] you have to build gst to [14:48] o [14:51] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:51] pat should include xfburn too would be nice to support that too [14:52] a lot of people suggest pat put things in slack :) [14:52] all you can do is email the suggestion to him and see what he says [14:52] XD [14:52] thats right [14:53] Natenom (~Natenom@unaffiliated/natenom) joined ##slackware. [14:53] I was thinking of making script wrappers around cdrecord & cdrdao. just enough to not have to figure out the options every time [14:54] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.34) left irc: Quit: Quit Message [14:54] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:55] ffmpeg is realy big :-! [14:55] ffmpeg does a lot of stuff [14:55] BP{k}: I did as you suggested and inserted some logging into my script [14:55] yeah [14:57] m3tti: dude, its just 2 deps for xfburn [14:57] and to decode mp3 ? [14:58] BP{k}: when called directly or if I call rc.local_shutdown, which then calls my script, it lists the running VMs, and shuts them down [14:58] Guii (slackware@187.101.3.13) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Guii (slackware@187.101.3.13) left ##slackware. [14:59] nite all taking a long nap [14:59] good talking to you all [14:59] Elfo: in rc.local_shutdown, do a quick call to list running vm's just before you call your vm_shutdown script and see what's up [15:00] m3tti: i thought mp3 is already in slack dvd [15:00] BP{k}: when I call poweroff or reboot, the script is executed but the list of running VMs is empty and the script exits [15:00] Elfo, [15:00] at least with our systems, there's a script we call that will list vm status for guests [15:00] good luck on your script's success at init 6 [15:00] kickack: yeah but not the gstreamer thingy [15:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [15:00] Elfo: sounds like your guests are already halted by that time then [15:02] or qemu-kvm or libvirt (my script uses libvirt's virsh command to list and shutdown VMs) are already dead when my script is called [15:02] kickack (~kickback@122.163.201.90) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:03] when i call the script directly, the log shows that it takes 16 secs to properly shutdown 3 running VMs [15:04] when i issue poweroff or reboot on the host, the host goes down too fast... and the logs show that the list of running VMs is empty when my script is called, so there is nothing to shutdown [15:05] i think qemu-kvm and/or libvirt are killed before my script runs [15:05] grr i don't want to build much on my own :-( [15:06] m3tti: what are you looking at building? [15:06] now it is orbit gconf xfburn libburn libisofs evince gst-bad :-( [15:06] what do you need orbit and gconf for? [15:06] clint- (~clint@pdpc/supporter/active/clint-) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:06] iron [15:07] it is google chrome without the google stuff in it [15:07] and its damn fast [15:07] chromium without everything that could "track" [15:08] yes [15:08] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [15:08] as a workaround, for now, is using a new script that calls rc.vm_shutdown then issues a poweroff [15:08] m3tti: http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.1/i486/ || http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.1/x86_64/ [15:08] it works, but I would like to have it working properly with slackware's init scripts [15:08] wow thats a lot [15:10] don't understand me wrong i like slackbuild scripts but slack on its own works so great i don't want to build/install as much as i need [15:10] :-) [15:11] what the hell do i need to get xfburn to work with mp3 files [15:12] gst-bad is installed [15:12] m3tti: convert them to wav first? for f in *.mp3; do $f $f.wav ; done [15:13] :-( thats like doing that damn thing in console :-( [15:13] XD [15:13] then again what's an mp3 to wav converter :) [15:13] XD [15:13] most audio cd burners only work with wav files - they convert to wav before burning anyway [15:14] I expect mpg123 can 'play to file'. xmms certainly can, and makes a new output file for every source file [15:14] alisonken1home EthanG i'm not affraid of doing things in console but i've a damn gui tool it should do that for me [15:14] XD [15:14] oh indeed :D [15:16] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:17] well, thx or your help. gona go eat something (stomach is growling and I can't think) [15:17] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:20] Elfo (n@bl18-68-184.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware. [15:20] what do i need for xfburn to do mp3 burn as audio cd on the fly :'( [15:23] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF72F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [15:24] m3tti: man xfburn and see what it says [15:25] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Axius (~fd@92.82.69.93) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:29] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:32] ashtif_ (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:33] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:33] ashtif_ (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:37] gst-ffmpeg [15:37] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:38] hosomaki (~drg@host191-120-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[15:53] how long time ago is that in days hm [15:53] haxx [15:53] 5.2 [15:53] owned [15:53] 5.197977486916666 Days [15:54] pwnd [15:54] I got a very nice laugh now [15:54] I make it 5.183784722222222 days, lol [15:54] lol [15:54] so you pissed someone off 5.2 days ago [15:54] so your previous statement must be incorrect [15:54] jnylin (~jnylin@c-4171e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:55] havent talked there in forever [15:55] more likely tabbed a nick wrong [15:55] :P [15:55] happens all the time on freenode [15:55] but really does it matter? [15:56] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7BE8A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:59] Tirili (~opera@dslc-082-082-140-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Hey [15:59] 447879s = 5d 04h 24m 39s [15:59] Which libraries do I have to install by hand on slackware 13.1 to watch dvds_ [15:59] ? [16:00] for those of us who don't do decimal days :) [16:00] I see that there is installed libdvdread already. [16:00] Tirili: libdvdcss [16:00] I just installed libdvdcss, but it doesnt work [16:01] Is a reboot neede? [16:01] d [16:01] which player? [16:01] no [16:01] vlc [16:01] I'm not familiar with vlc, sorry [16:01] I tend to use xine/libdvdread/libdvdcss to watch dvds [16:02] hm [16:02] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:02] Tirili (opera@dslc-082-082-140-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [16:03] you're welcome [16:04] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [16:06] anything using libdvdread should automatically use libdvdcss if it finds it [16:08] oh he left [16:08] ScreamerX (~screamer@91.118.60.71) joined ##slackware. [16:08] sobekbr (~sobek@187.115.96.72) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Tirili (~opera@dslc-082-082-140-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:34] but that will compare file contents too [16:34] i need to check whether the structure is same [16:34] look at `man diff`: -r: Recursively compare any subdirectories found. [16:36] find dir1 > dir1.txt [16:36] find dir2 > dir2.txt [16:36] diff dir1.txt dir2.txt [16:36] ah [16:37] exactly [16:37] ScreamerX: thanks :) [16:37] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [16:37] vdv: i'd like to have a cup of tea :-P [16:39] `find dir1` will put "dir1/" at the beginning of each line, which will always be different from dir2. but the basic idea works, just have to run find from within dir1 [16:39] Action: vdv regales ScreamerX with a cup of tea :) [16:39] vdv: Danke [16:40] ScreamerX: bitte :) [16:41] Mowah (1000@c-7288e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Tirili (~opera@dslc-082-082-140-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:50] tekzilla (~jon@d166218.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:51] Tirili (opera@dslc-082-082-140-029.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [16:52] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:52] so, gparted can shrink partition in both directions [16:53] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:53] i freed space before the partition and then resized it in that direction [16:53] tekzilla (~jon@d069018.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:53] j0z (unix@189.58.128.138) joined ##slackware. [16:53] j0z (unix@189.58.128.138) left irc: Changing host [16:53] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [16:53] i.e. gparted permited me to do that [16:54] i didn't applied changes yet [16:54] interesting, is that safe? [16:54] vdv: make backups! [16:54] exactly that is what i'm doing right now :) [16:56] but one always want to make things right in first time [16:56] restore from backup is plan B [16:58] crunchpotato (~cold@193-126-149-49.net.novis.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:02] spectre (~kyle@cpe-66-69-223-136.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-173.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] ScreamerX (~screamer@91.118.60.71) left irc: Quit: bye [17:09] gunvald (~magnus@bb-nu-85-11-236-69.ornskoldsvik.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Hi all! [17:09] gunvald (~magnus@bb-nu-85-11-236-69.ornskoldsvik.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:10] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:10] hi, gunvald [17:10] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [17:13] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:45] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:45] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [17:49] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:51] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:52] ekor (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [17:53] hey, how do i mke2fs on a USB-flash? [17:58] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:59] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] ekor: plug in the drive and run 'mke2fs ARGS DEV' just like any other device [18:04] slakmagik, ok, thanks! [18:04] ekor: there's no fs on it currently? [18:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:05] popl, it's vfat now, but i want it in ext2, so that i can boot from it [18:05] oh cool [18:06] I was going to create a boot key for my laptop and keep it on a usb key on my keyring but I have a big keyring. [18:07] popi, i see [18:07] popl* [18:08] popl: ist hat what you're doing? [18:09] i have no cd's, so i must install from usb [18:09] hrm. what would be the implications of just having hte boot partition on a usb device? [18:09] ekor: you can do a network installation [18:09] ah wait [18:09] nevermind [18:10] (still need to boot to something to do a network installation) [18:12] but if that's the case can't you just do a bit-by-bit copy of the netinstall iso to a usb device? [18:13] _RadioHead (~dardan@82.114.94.248) joined ##slackware. [18:14] can't you use syslinux? Or usbimg2disk.sh (which uses syslinux)? [18:14] MrJacks0n (Mr@173-86-0-32.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:54] Nick change: raela -> slit [18:55] Nick change: sysTray -> programManager [18:56] Nick change: Start -> TastManager [18:56] you people lead exciting lives [18:56] ;P [18:56] Nick change: TastManager -> TaskManager [18:56] yes, yes we do [18:56] haha [18:57] Nick change: chopp -> run [18:58] Nick change: run -> chopp [18:58] Nick change: controlPanel -> trhodes [18:58] Nick change: slit -> raela [18:58] Nick change: programManager -> presentationMana [18:59] Nick change: quickLaunch -> MSOffice [19:00] Nick change: presentationMana -> ibmRexx [19:02] does anyone know of a good guide to setup apache on slack? [19:02] I've never set it up before and I need it now [19:03] the apache docs are really good [19:03] *nods* they are that [19:04] ok, thanks :) [19:05] Nick change: ibmRexx -> nyRednek [19:05] Reticenti: search oreilly.com -- there is a good how-to [19:05] Nick change: nyRednek -> ibmRexx [19:05] there are numerous guides on securing Apache installations, though. [19:06] popl: you can make a usb drive bootable to install slackware. [19:06] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:08] agentc0re: yes, you can make many devices bootable to install slackware [19:08] ipod ftw [19:08] there's an idea -- put /boot on your mp3 player [19:09] frk (~jcn@189.58.218.141.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Nick change: TaskManager -> dive [19:09] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Nick change: MSOffice -> fire|bird [19:09] popl: maybe i misunderstood what you said above, i thought you were asking a question. [19:09] agentc0re: no, someone else was asking a question [19:09] j0z_ (unix@200.146.4.75.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:09] j0z_ (unix@200.146.4.75.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [19:09] j0z_ (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [19:10] I was probably thinking "out loud". 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[20:42] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.12.113) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:45] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) joined ##slackware. [20:49] alexandru_g (~alex@188.27.192.68) joined ##slackware. [20:51] alexandru_g (~alex@188.27.192.68) left irc: [20:53] how did you get wget to use tor? [20:54] hi, so try two in building FF... I get this when i build: '*** No rule to make target `-lpthread', needed by `libmozjs.so'. Stop' [20:54] edman007: you need libmozjs.so [20:54] KaMii, the man page of wget tells you how to use a proxy [20:54] i'm building it.... [20:54] oh, but why would anyone want to use wget with tor? [20:55] that's what the error says, can't build libmozjs.so... :/ [20:55] KaMii, so the feds don't find out they are downloading wikileaks material? i can think of thousands of reasons to use tor... [20:56] edman007: you said your trying to build FF, now your saying your trying to build libmozjs.so [20:56] im confused [20:56] building ff builds libmozjs [20:56] KaMii, libmozjs is the firefox javascript engine... [20:56] as the name implies [20:56] KaMii: libmozjs.so is part of ff [20:56] Action: KaMii does not live in the USA and can care less about the FBI [20:56] your building firefox? [20:56] KaMii, well then to get around you're countries great firewall... [20:57] KaMii, yup, 4.0b2 [20:57] just grab the txz off the website [20:57] i need to patch it... [20:57] oh, beta [20:57] not sure i can do that in the binary... [20:57] well, thats what happens when you start playing around with beta [20:57] 4.0b2 is old [20:57] is b3 out? [20:57] yeah [20:58] ok, i'll give that a crack... [20:58] kamii: the FBI watches more than just the people in the US :p [20:58] didn't notice... [20:58] thats illegal gniks [20:58] for who? :p [20:58] and the EU and UN will not allow it [20:58] lol [20:58] edman007: adding -lpthread option to gcc doesn't help? [20:58] fuk the FBI they do not belong to the EU [20:58] nothing illegal about watching ;) [20:59] gniks, no, the FBI watches only people in the US, the NSA watches only people not in the US, and they suck at communicating, that is probably the biggest reason the 9/11 people didn't get caught, the NSA knew about the whole thing... [20:59] slackytude|foo (~slacky@drms-4d000fe4.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] when you have spy satellites in the skies, i don't think the EU or UN can do a thing about it, and the UN is a joke [20:59] ya, its called a peeping tom and I already have one living next door [20:59] lulz [20:59] i thought it was the CIA that watched ppl outside usa and no one has a clue what NSA does [21:00] no one really knows what the CIA does either [21:00] the NSA has Sam Fisher! [21:00] the job of the CIA is to spy on other govs [21:00] UN is a joke, i agree, but seriously, why doesnt the usa just worry about itself [21:00] FBI investigates people, activities, etc& [21:00] mako-sama, ehh, looks like autoconf had a bad makefile, and it only happens on slack [21:00] the US wouldn't be a super power if it did [21:00] gotta flex the muscles [21:00] not that i agree with it mind you [21:01] ever since obama the usa is no longer a super power, its a super zero [21:01] obama didn't do that to the US, that was his predecessor [21:01] edman007: maybe autogen.sh will fix that [21:01] BP{k} (michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left ##slackware ("time to leave ##politics and join ##slackware"). [21:01] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [21:01] i've never built ff from source since 2.x series [21:02] mako-sama: either way, he should be running b3 not b2 [21:02] well we both have different opinions, and all i know is I didnt vote for either of them [21:02] so there [21:02] I see a bunch of misinformed people spewing unsubstantiated crap. :P [21:02] are you a US citizen? [21:02] slackytude|evil (~slacky@drms-4d000c6d.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:02] mako-sama, well after 2.x they changed some stuff and refused to put it back so i had to build from source to fix it [21:02] yes i am, Im duel but too young to vote [21:02] sadly [21:02] popl: that what he american people do best [21:03] KaMii: its illegal to be a dual citizen, the US does not allow this [21:03] edman007: may I ask what did they remove? :P [21:03] no its not gniks [21:03] you are mi-informed [21:03] In trying to keep this positive, can I suggest you take this conversation to #politics or somewhere else more appropriate? [21:03] popl ask your question ;) [21:03] a2/win 2 [21:03] Action: KaMii will just no longer talk becase im in a bad mood [21:03] bah [21:04] heh we have 3 ops [21:04] Yeah. IRC is such a joke. [21:04] mhmm [21:05] KaMii: your always in a bad mood [21:05] gniks: no im not [21:05] couldn't tell [21:05] thou shall not mood bad more [21:05] mako-sama, the ability to have session save on and prompt on quit at the same time, the official response is that since session save is on there is no reason to not want to quit if you select that (and you can restore if it is an accident), however if you have 50 tabs and hit ctl-q instead of ctl-w (right next to each other), you have to wait a few minutes to try and load that many tabs, big waste of time [21:05] lol [21:05] well youd be feeling bad if love of your life cheated on you and just told you today [21:05] edman007: I *hate* when I do that. [21:06] KaMii: ive been through that, you will survive [21:06] popl, so i write a patch that just makes it always prompt to quit, regardless of settings [21:06] or i will die [21:06] not from that incident alone [21:06] blah im not talking you ppl about this [21:06] KaMii: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBR2G-iI3-I [21:06] Action: KaMii blocks youtube [21:06] hahahahah [21:07] edman007: if it's on an ssl connection you have to manually resend the stuff too [21:07] lulz [21:07] *note* kamii is like.. 15. recently 15 [21:07] Action: gniks is aware [21:07] raela: gniks is around that age emotionally so it's a good match [21:07] oh, shweet kid KaMii :D [21:07] :P [21:07] just making sure the audience knew :D [21:07] pople how am i around that age emotionally? [21:07] yup...and then there seems to be a race in the password manager that they still haven't fixed for years, i often get prompted for my password a dozen times when it comes back up, and i have to enter it for every single one.... [21:07] cause true love totally happens at 15 [21:08] haha [21:08] raela: agree ;) [21:08] 14 actually [21:08] edman007: I use an add-on named "Tab Mix Plus" [21:08] I don't know about that. I've been using session manager since 2.x [21:08] edman007: it's very nice [21:08] and this is not war wink :) [21:08] but you were too proud to ask me [21:08] edman007: it lets me reload all tabs at once [21:09] popl, i have that too... [21:09] edman007: you can protect tabs so it always prompts you when you try to close a window with one in it [21:09] haha even better.. 14 year old crying over love :D [21:09] Action: pupit sings I Will Survive to KaMii [21:10] raela: im 15 we were together since i was 14, try to keep up with the intelligent conversation [21:10] mbhahahah [21:10] the problem is they all load at the same time, and the password manager tries to fill in the passwords all at the same time when it comes back up, and there is a race condition that allows all tabs with a password to prompt to unlock the password manager individually (when i should only have to unlock it once) [21:10] pupit: Cake or Gaynor?..rhmmm..strike that >_< [21:10] intelligent conversation? a teenager griping over how another teenager left them after a year? what a tragedy. [21:10] gaynor! of course ! :D [21:10] edman007: are you referring to an external password manager? [21:10] anyway, this is off topic, so I will take my amusement elsewhere [21:10] well at least i have known what its like to be in love [21:11] raela: i bet shes more intelligent hahahah [21:11] pupit: lol...get diva,then...;*) [21:11] edman007: that may not be a race condition but just bad programming logic :p [21:11] None of this is Slackware-related. At least go to ##slackware-offtopic. :P [21:12] popl, nope... [21:12] Action: popl writes HALL MONITOR in big block letters on a piece of paper and waves it at the monitor. [21:12] MLanden: be quiet, we are mourning here because of KaMiis loss... [21:12] edman007: btw, in addition to session manager, I use a small addon called 'bartab' which, if you set it to do so, will not allow any tab to load its contents on startup. it will load the tabs and you'll see them greyed out, but the contents will not be loaded. [21:13] pupit: ahhh...sorry on that...didn't know [21:13] gniks, well IMHO it is a race, regardless, the password manager only needs one password to unlock, and that should be properly controlled so it does not prompt me excessively [21:14] MLanden: XD [21:15] gniks, i don't care if there is no risk of corruption, it is the most annoying thing in firefox i know of [21:15] well unless you pin it down to an issue with the sequence or timing of events, its a logic error :p but one would actually have to debug the code to know this [21:15] :) [21:15] this is why i don't use beta software unless im testing it to give devs feedback [21:16] cuts down on the annoyances [21:17] gniks, those issues are not beta issues, they have been in every 2.x, 3.x stable release [21:17] ah, file a bug report :p [21:17] I don't use ffox password manager. it sucks [21:17] the session problem isn't in the 1.x branch, but they claim its a feature, the password thing is known and they can't track it down [21:17] i don't use any pw managers, they are insecure [21:18] i filed the bugs a few years ago... [21:18] gniks, i just use it for the encryption.... [21:18] well that sucks [21:18] to encrypt your passwords on disk? [21:19] i think it does... [21:19] it does [21:19] just making sure that's what you meant [21:19] yea, just lets me put one master password to encrypt everything [21:20] i just memorize my passwords :p [21:20] mako-sama: I like keepassx [21:20] and i want firefox 4.0 because it has VP8 support and i can watch youtube without flash... [21:21] gniks, when i want a secure password i use my little password generator, i can't remember those passwords... [21:21] gniks: it's difficult when you have many different passwords [21:21] :p [21:21] comes up with things like 8eOROwpqzC4O/ef+bZOn [21:21] lol [21:21] i have similar passwords in which ive memorized [21:21] that has 15 bytes of entropy [21:21] tis crazy [21:22] a lil over kill [21:22] but easy to generate, and the password manager remembers it [21:22] you could get 2 passwords out of that and be just as secure :p [21:22] right [21:22] this is true [21:22] my wifi is WPA2 with something like 40-50 characters passwords... [21:23] thats a bit different however [21:23] WPA2 traffic must be decrypted [21:23] passwords are hashed [21:23] hosomaki (~drg@host191-120-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [21:23] which make them harder to reverse [21:23] if one were to get the hash that is [21:24] what do you mean by "just as secure"? [21:25] an 8-12 character password is sufficient to secure an account [21:25] it used to be that linux wouldn't accept passwords over 8 characters [21:25] not anymore, at least not if you're using something you can remember... [21:25] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:25] you can remember a randomly generated password [21:25] but you said "just as secure", which I took to mean "equally secure" [21:25] muscle memory is amazing [21:25] rainbow tables mean you need much much more than that... [21:27] if you employ proper security practices like brute force detection, and a properly randomized password, you will be fine [21:27] is that to me or edman007? [21:27] that and cycle them out ever 90 days [21:27] whoever is reading [21:27] so you're just pontificating? [21:28] no& im discussing [21:28] to whoever happens to pass by [21:28] gniks, i'm not in control of the websites methods of storing/securing passwords [21:28] well, we dropped a few people from the convo back there, wasn't sure who is really involved anymore [21:28] Hello everybody [21:29] edman007: this is true& [21:29] hi gar0t0 [21:29] but also think about when you lose your password database [21:30] now that's a big inconvenience :p [21:30] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [21:32] gniks, ehh, most websites i use some permutation of about 3-4 words and a few pairs of numbers, the exceptions being things dealing with anything financial or i could be hurt by if hacked...so i can get into most websites with a few guesses, it's the financial ones that i can't, and they have secure reset processes [21:32] yeah [21:33] the financial should use a bit more caution [21:34] though i'm kinda pissed that my credit union doesn't let you do longer than 8 characters... [21:34] its statistically interesting though, as most accounts are hacked by users willingly giving up their passwords via phishing attacks or by gaining access to store databases [21:34] there are some banks that won't let me use special characters like ! and $ and * [21:34] which is irritating as hell [21:34] gniks, you should see my work computer, insane password policies, i can't remember the password on that [21:34] hehe yeah [21:35] gniks: I know how you feel. my bank only allows numbers.. and only 8 of them ~_~ [21:35] i got a CAC, and that thing is secure, and i love it [21:35] i have fun developing those policies for the companies i work for, hehe [21:35] gniks, get them to do something like a CAC....it is the best security policy i know of, only downside is they still allow you to use a password [21:36] they won't let me get that radical [21:37] :( [21:38] gotta find that sweet spot of security vs convenience [21:38] most of the people that work at my company are computer illiterate [21:38] gniks, yea, well they make it easier and more secure than passwords [21:39] humans are inherently insecure beings :p [21:39] humans are inherently stupid if that's what you mean [21:40] when you get to a computer, you put in your card and it prompts for the password to the card, that unlocks the card and logs you onto the domain, then when you go to a website that needs auth it can send your ID to the remove server through SSL [21:40] alisonken1home: no that is not what i mean [21:40] basically, the password becomes a full SSL cert, and you have a physical token the computer checks for, and that is encrypted on top of everything [21:40] sounds a lot like kerberos :p [21:41] people lose the cards, we have trouble with people losing their rfid keys to the building [21:41] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [21:41] its security by what you have and what you know [21:41] both are items that can be obtained by others [21:42] gniks, they have cert revocation fully implemented...call in and the card is as good as dead, but it can take a few days to get a new one... [21:42] right [21:42] but you gotta get your users to cal lin [21:42] call in [21:42] we have had people get their laptops stolen [21:42] and no one files a poliece report [21:42] and we don't know about it til 2 weeks later [21:42] its sad [21:43] gniks, well they can't remember their 40 character passwords because they never use it, if they lose the card they are asking tech support about it immediately [21:43] when you have non technical people using the technology even with training, they don't all understand the implications of their actions [21:43] not if its over the weekend :p [21:43] or vacation, or extended weekend [21:44] btw im not saying its a bad idea to use that knid of security, because it improves on the password model i agree [21:44] but these are arguments against going through the trouble [21:44] plus because its a card that requires purchasing, IT budgets go up [21:44] yea, but remember the card is still encrypted (usually against a 8 digit number) [21:45] its only a matter of time once they have physical access to the card (usually) [21:45] i mean, if your talking about gov spies or someone with that kind of access to resources anyway :p [21:46] nachox_ (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:46] we have a bunch of passwords that have to be shared amungst our users (bad security model i know, but it was here when i arrived) [21:46] and we are thinking of using an encrypted hidden partition on a USB key that requires the users master password to gain access to the password database [21:47] that sounds good :) [21:47] yeah, sadly we don't have the people time to make it happen :( [21:47] our CSO wants us to do something about it right now they are all on an internal wiki page [21:47] REALLY BAD IDEA [21:48] he doesn't care what is done :p [21:48] and apparently doesn't care when [21:48] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [21:48] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:49] hah [21:49] that is bad... [21:49] such is corporate priorities i guess [21:49] yeah, cause other departments have access to that [21:49] gniks, there are less draconian but effective solutions, have you heard how they're distributing the keys for rebuilding the root dns certs? [21:49] its for our support team [21:49] i have Skywise [21:49] very interesting methods [21:50] the nice part about that is you can have different levels of access [21:50] thats a bit over kill for us though [21:50] so that one person could do it by themselves, but lower level access would need a certain number of people [21:50] yeah [21:50] i think depending on a physical device has its issues [21:51] every method has its issues [21:51] Invoked (~Invoked@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:51] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:51] Invoked kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Phazey, you invoked horror and nausea when you visited, so you're not welcome here any more. We have enough mindless noise here already without you. [21:51] it would be an advantage if the keys couldn't be lost or stolen however [21:51] \o/ [21:52] its not a key based solution [21:52] heya BP{k} [21:52] MLanden: howdy, how goes? [21:53] BP{k}: hey man, how are you ? [21:53] key or token, whatever data you're protecting [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6B122.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] great thanks BP{k}...and yourself? [21:53] protecting a password database with a passphras encrypted partition [21:53] no keys involved [21:53] at all [21:54] MLanden: I am good, just cracked open a bottle of Wychwood Hobgoblin :) [21:54] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [21:55] spectre (~kyle@cpe-66-69-223-136.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:55] BP{k}: hear ya....bottoms down,mate!! [21:56] goj (~goj@p5488EB6C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:59] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [22:10] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:12] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.20.79) joined ##slackware. [22:17] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:21] frk (~jcn@189.58.218.141.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] ok, if i remove the package kdeartwork, will i have at least one theme, oxygen or something, and at least one window style? [22:23] uhm, nevermind if no one knows, ill try it in vbox [22:25] KraZY (~krazy@99.189.55.239) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187-032-040-183.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:27] KraZY: hey bro [22:27] nyRednek, sup? [22:27] KraZY: ssdd, how's arkansas? [22:28] hot....kinda humid [22:28] question, does straighttalk do mobile web? [22:28] yep [22:29] heh...i know where i can get an unlocked droid [22:29] pupit: I'm pretty sure that kdeartwork is needed and no default theme is setup in kde - although you should get _something_ when you start. but good idea to use vbox to test [22:34] alisonken1home: let you know what happens, doing a trimmed down kde install -current [22:34] heh [22:34] Nick change: KraZY -> ki2azy [22:42] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:42] frk (~jcn@189.58.218.141.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:43] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:46] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:46] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. 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[23:43] Cadohacan (ad4d721e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.114.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:48] am0rphis (~ewq@79.124.207.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:51] chaosparser (~root@20-151.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] hba (~hba@189.130.32.103) joined ##slackware. [23:52] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz expired. [23:52] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:52] Allo. Anyone have any idea why Thunar would be reporting no free space on a partition with 3 gigs free? [23:53] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:54] chaosparser: live session? [23:54] Nope, installed. [23:55] chaosparser: full trash? [23:55] It shows the size of the used space right, and the size of the volume correctly, but doesn't seem to catch the discrepancy. [23:55] Emptied trash. [23:55] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.231.180) joined ##slackware. [23:56] ie: Size, x files totally 77 GB, Volume: 80GB, Free Space: 0. [23:56] stinky (nemesis@free.blinkenshell.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:56] stinky (nemesis@free.blinkenshell.org) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] chaosparser: what fs are you using? xfs,ext3,ext4? [23:57] chaosparser: maybe due to no free inodes(a file can take up a portion of an inode, and not allow any new data in it [23:57] ext3 [00:00] --- Sun Aug 15 2010