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[00:16] I'm not able to startx and keep getting this error "x: client 1 rejected from local host (uid 500)" [00:17] newbie2010, user ID is 500? [00:18] hey Delahunt, how are you? [00:18] how can I tell? [00:18] newbie2010, good you? [00:18] who are you logged in as? [00:19] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] newbie2010 [00:19] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [00:19] but i don't know how to tell the uid [00:19] is there a command to show this uid? [00:20] grep `whoami` /etc/passwd [00:20] UID should be 3rd entry between colons [00:20] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:21] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:22] this not returning anything [00:22] hmm [00:22] run whoami [00:22] newbie2010 [00:22] that's your login? [00:22] newbie2010 [00:23] yes [00:23] Action: Delahunt thought they could be no more than 8 characters [00:23] that is my current user [00:23] ok run grep newbie2010 /etc/passwd [00:23] yes [00:23] uid 500 [00:24] hmm that's odd, usually when created with the adduser dialog they're uid 1000 and up [00:24] i left my pc working last night now it's not functioning !!!! [00:24] oh well, ok, did you have any other errors on boot?> [00:24] none [00:24] it boots up like magic [00:25] run free -m | grep -v buffer [00:25] i did then what? [00:26] Mem: 2001 1986 15 0 1203 338 [00:26] Swap: 2047 0 2047 [00:26] i'm on tty2 so i can pastbin the output [00:26] notice i have swap. do you have swap? are you out of memory? [00:26] i do [00:26] 3843 [00:26] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [00:26] k just checking [00:27] ok now run df -h and make sure you're not out of disk space on any real partitions (i.e. not talking about tmpfs proc or sysfs) [00:27] ok Delahunt ... i gtg now .... maybe it's better for to reinstall and give v13.0 another try in the meantime [00:27] no i'm not out of disk space i'm sure [00:28] lee555J5 (lee555J5@68-113-105-67.static.leds.al.charter.com) left ##slackware. [00:28] 96G available :D [00:29] thanks ... tc [00:29] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.1.131) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:29] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:30] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:30] o.O [00:30] sounds like a filesystem permission problem to me ... oh well [00:32] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:18] xrandr --output HDMI-1 --auto [01:18] is what I'm doing [01:19] erk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [01:21] erk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [01:32] D3lahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:38] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:38] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [01:39] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:42] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:49] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [01:50] tuvok302Lappy (vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-187.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: EXLEEPAS! [01:54] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. 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[02:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:31] oh, you have right :) [02:31] thx [02:32] epigrammaticus (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Nick change: epigrammaticus -> BadAtom [02:32] redtricycle: xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode resolutionxyouwant [02:33] Hi all. I have to compare 1 local dir. with 1 remote dir. "diff <(ssh 192.168.1.2 COMMAND) <(COMMAND). what command is best for that purpose? i've tried ls -R but it's not good. [02:34] i cannot use #tree [02:35] i have to compare only file name and to see i one directory contains more files. [02:36] *if one [02:38] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:29] i installed slack 13 on a netbook and after 15 minutes the cpu fan turns on and is spinning loudly the whole time, ant get any information with lm_sensors, also my battery has only power for 2 hours [04:29] someone can help me? [04:29] i dont know anything about that; everyone else is afk afaik. [04:29] iow, asleep. [04:30] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:30] can you wait? [04:30] it would be nice to see the tempreture and to control the fan that the temp doesnt rise in a sector where the fan cant be turned off... [04:30] GeneralTso: yeah how long? [04:30] yea [04:30] Axius (~hi@92.85.208.249) left irc: Client Quit [04:30] no idea [04:31] The_ManU_212, sensors-detect? [04:32] The_ManU_212, also, try a later kernel, like the one from slackware-current, 2.6.32. it _may_ work better. [04:32] GeneralTso: see top command, may be you have some consumptive process. What's the netbook's model? [04:32] vehn_z ask The_ManU_212 [04:33] ups, sorry ) [04:33] np [04:34] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Nick change: The_ManU_212 -> The_ManU_212_afk [04:36] The_ManU_212: see top command, may be you have some consumptive process. What's the netbook's model? Also, slava_dp give you very good advice about later kernel (I solve several problem with 2.5.32 kernel and my eeepc 1005ha). Also 2.6.29 kernel from slackware 13 no more supported. [04:37] Nick change: The_ManU_212_afk -> The_ManU_212 [04:38] *2.6.32 of course [04:38] The_ManU_212, alternatively, just upgrade to slackware-current using slackpkg and choosing the proper mirror. it's rather stable, you're unlikely to face problems. [04:38] vehn_z: i think its a noname netbook, called 10 mini go, kernel is 2.6.31.11 [04:38] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) joined ##slackware. [04:38] uh-huh. great. you're not even running slackware it seems. [04:39] Action: slava_dp wanders off [04:39] slava_dp: lol did u never compile a kernel yourself? [04:39] slava_dp: sensors-detect: no sensors detected [04:40] then just build the latest .32 kernel. and upgrade to -current. [04:40] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:41] slava_dp: there is no other solution to test before, since upgrading is a big thing... other things work fine [04:41] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:41] Rix (~Rixi``@77-85-21-9.btc-net.bg) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [04:42] well, you could try to upgrade just the kernel and lm-sensors. [04:42] Action: slava_dp doesn't give any warranty [04:42] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.85.246) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Rix (~Rixi``@77-85-21-9.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:45] GeneralTso (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [04:46] get powertop from slackbuilds.org and see what processes eat your battery. [04:47] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [04:51] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:51] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [04:52] slava_dp: vehn_z http://pastebin.com/d2b891673 here if it helps [04:56] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:58] The_ManU_212: you need recompile kernel with CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL enabled (make menuconfig && Kernel hacking --> Kernel debugging) [04:59] vehn_z: ok and this might help? [05:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:01] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:01] You will be able to see the most power consumed processes in the powertop after enabling this option [05:02] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:02] vehn_z: k and what tpo solve the fan problem? [05:02] alos see http://www.lesswatts.org/ [05:03] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [05:04] vianna (~c958d1ef@gateway/web/freenode/x-gsftzyfkevtfeqfn) joined ##slackware. [05:04] The_ManU_212: At least you will be able to see the problematic process. [05:05] have to reboot [05:05] weedcrop (~weedcrop@unaffiliated/weedcrop) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:05] vehn_z: k thx im running kde [05:05] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-4-138.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:08] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:10] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-4-138.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [05:10] re [05:12] vehn_z: http://pastebin.com/d7283c8afhttp://pastebin.com/d7283c8af [05:14] vianna (~c958d1ef@gateway/web/freenode/x-gsftzyfkevtfeqfn) left irc: [05:14] hi, i'm running slackware 12.2 with fluxbox and i'd like to set up an automounter for usb pens. It's only a matter of configuring hal dbus and such or i'll need to install a program like ivman? [05:15] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:16] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:16] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:18] IceChant|AFK (~icechant@109.160.191.185) joined ##slackware. [05:22] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.191.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:22] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:24] The_ManU_212: upgrade your kernel to 2.6.32 (you can use it from slackware-current). See google about hrtimer_start_range_ns (tick_sched_timer). You have abnormal value. Carefully read http://www.lesswatts.org/ (it will help you save power up to 30%) [05:30] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.209.190) joined ##slackware. [05:30] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.45) joined ##slackware. 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[06:00] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-4-138.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:03] eilartt, i don't know about automounting, but you can use pmount to mount them via hal with user privileges (i.e. without su'ing to root) [06:04] i already mount them as normal user from the command line [06:04] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:05] anyway thanks, it seems that ivman is what i'm looking for [06:06] eilartt (~matteo@151.66.177.142) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:11] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:14] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] happy aquariius aeon... [06:17] in which package can be found i.e. pnmto jpeg ? [06:17] pnmtojpeg [06:17] mac-, slackpkg search pnmtojpeg [06:17] grep pnmtojpeg /var/log/packages/* [06:18] hailp! my plasma / kwin has crashed - should i just start plasma manually ? [06:18] adaptr, sure. Alt+F2, plasma. [06:19] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:19] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:19] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [06:22] well.. runs plasma, then kills plasma again [06:29] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [06:29] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.60) left irc: Quit: velusip [06:35] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:37] _Slesh_ (~ALIVE@189.104.182.83) joined ##slackware. [06:39] ah, I get it now! plasma is "responding", but at a rate of about 5 minutes per click [06:40] bah [06:42] adaptr, what kde version? [06:42] the latest in 13.0, let me check [06:42] 4.2.4 [06:43] yup [06:44] I see a dbus error, plasma complainig about invalid frame sizes, and Qcore messages about unexpected nul receiver [06:46] you know, plasma never crashes :) (Results 1 - 10 of about 1,160,000 for plasma crash. (0.25 seconds)) [06:47] hahaha [06:47] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:48] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [06:48] kde forums fail - I search for 4.2.4 crash and all I get are 4.3 and 4.4 results [06:49] 4.2 is so dated nobody cares about it any more [06:49] um... it's in 13.0, and there are no updates beyond 4.2.4 [06:50] slackware is dated! [06:50] yup. you have an option of upgrading to -current :) [06:50] should I try alienbob's build of 4.4 ? [06:50] I do ? [06:50] 4.4 only works on -current. [06:50] I assume that will get me more unstableness for the same price [06:51] right now, KDE is the only thing that's misbehaving [06:51] granted, it's a biggish thing [06:51] can I simply switch the repo to current ? [06:52] if it's not a production machine, you can go with -current, most of the time it's stable. [06:52] it's a desktop [06:52] this desktop [06:52] it has to be up :) [06:52] if I wanted unstable I'd run windows on it [06:53] well, you got to choose. [06:53] there is a kde 4.3.x build for 13.0, can try that [06:54] sadly, the last distro that didn't die on me within a month was ubuntu 8.04 or so [06:54] okay, can you tell me how to get that ? [06:55] alienBOB, used to have it, i'm searching [06:55] oh, a separate build ? [06:55] slackware.com is down, that is sad [06:55] that's been going on for some time now [06:56] Pat should get a proper hosting plan [06:56] heheh [06:56] after 15 years, it's about time [06:56] :D [06:57] he should stop hosting everything from his comcast line! [06:57] slava_dp adaptr: KDE4 packages that work with Slackware 13.0: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/ [06:57] thanks! [06:57] alienBOB, superb, thanks [06:58] And KDE 4.4.0 for Slackware-current: http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.4.0/ [06:59] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [06:59] can I dump those all in /usr/cache/packages ? [06:59] erm [06:59] /var/cache/packages [07:00] you can even put them in / [07:01] wherever you wish [07:01] Nick change: paissad_ -> paissad [07:01] and then installpkg the lot ? [07:02] maybe read the attached docs [07:02] of all packages ? there's about 50 of them [07:02] oh, there are none :D ok, "cd pkgs; upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new ./*.t?z" [07:03] but do "init 3" first to close off X. [07:03] have to remember than one ;) [07:03] *that [07:03] but wget refuses to wildcard - jummy [07:04] lftp -c 'open http://server/dir/dir ; mirror kde' [07:05] cool, works [07:05] great [07:05] rsync works too [07:05] ah... I couldn't have guessed any of that from a HTTP page though :) [07:06] Read http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/its-been-released-kde-sc-4-4-0/ for more installation instructions for 4.4.0 [07:06] alienBOB: I'm going to try this first, before trying to go to -current [07:07] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:08] plasmastar has crashed too! [07:09] lol [07:11] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. 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[08:29] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.141.38) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:32] guys can libgconf-2.so.2 be substituted by libgconf-2.so.4 ? cause I accidently removed it by symbolic link [08:34] just link it back? [08:34] history [08:34] it was force linking:) [08:34] it's gone [08:34] hrad: that has no meaning [08:34] reinstall gconf then [08:34] your history shows you what you did [08:36] and what is the difference between libgconf-2.so.4 and libgconf-2.so.4.1.5, I guess there should be only one disponsible, which one should it be ? [08:37] is disponsible even a word? [08:38] yes it is [08:38] ouch [08:39] it's disposable [08:39] :) [08:39] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3A+disponsible&aq=f&aqi=&oq= [08:39] ok, just checking :) [08:39] we have it in my Czech language, it sounds english :) [08:39] so.4.1.5 is the library. .so.4 was a symlink. [08:40] so just restore the .so.4 link to .4.1.5 [08:40] there is a town in my state named Prague, and a motel in town named the Czech inn [08:40] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-182-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:41] ok, I thought that both of them should be actual libraries, I have it like this [08:41] but also /usr/lib64/libgconf-2.so -> libgconf-2.so.4.1.5* [08:41] ln -s /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4.1.5 /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4 [08:41] ln -s /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4.1.5 /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so [08:41] exactly [08:42] Pig_Pen, the other way around ? [08:42] no sorry [08:42] the other way around apparently [08:43] nessundorma_ (~mike@78-134-69-197.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [08:43] everything's right I hope [08:44] /usr/lib64/libgconf-2.so -> libgconf-2.so.4.1.5* ....... ln -s /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4.1.5 /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4 ........ ln -s /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4.1.5 /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so [08:44] macavity (~macavity@212088073002.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:44] greetings all !! [08:45] 'ello [08:45] hullo [08:45] just one actual library libgconf-2.so.4 and two links to it [08:45] whereis is patrick and slackware.com ??? [08:45] just one actual library libgconf-2.so.4.1.5* and two links to it [08:45] the actual library is .so.4.1.5 [08:45] ok, thank you [08:46] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:46] AbsTradELic: Patrick desided that earth was too uncool for awesome slackware.com, so he took it with him to Mars ;-) [08:46] someone should change the topic to "slackware.com is down, *WE KNOW*" as it was last time :-) [08:46] macavity: xD [08:46] btw [08:46] http://www.slackware.com/ is down for 2 days [08:46] what happened ? [08:46] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.114.217) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:46] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [08:46] at lease for me it is [08:47] we know [08:47] oh, i just noticed, slackware.com is down, what happened? [08:47] >_> [08:47] Pat forgot to pay for internet [08:47] xD [08:48] Action: macavity finds a spray can and advertices on the wall: --> Slackware's Hosting Appatrently Sucks <-- [08:48] macavity, Pat hosts it on his home line [08:48] like i said :P [08:48] :) [08:48] slackware is down here too, there have been some heavy rain and mud slides all over california from the previous drout & forest fires so some land slide probably knocked out some powerlines or some other infrastructure [08:49] Clouds [08:49] xD [08:49] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ [08:49] Over the Clouds Computing [08:49] read that as "downforeverorjustme" :-D [08:50] ananke: awesome :-) [08:50] Pig_Pen, I think Pat's in minnesota, no? [08:50] Shizuo (shizuo@200-171-49-211.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[08:55] thrice`: nope, i could be wrong but i think Pat lives near Sacramento Calif. in Hayward Calif. [08:58] "# Copyright 2005-2010 Patrick J. Volkerding, Sebeka, Minnesota, USA [08:58] hmm, i guess i was wrong, i have snail mailed for slackware stuff and sent it to a california address, i guess it was somebody that handled his product [09:00] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [09:00] afaik, he's in Minnesota :-) [09:04] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.145.199) joined ##slackware. [09:06] wertik_rus (~mirggi@95-26-98-10.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:10] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:12] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [09:18] http://www.peekyou.com/patrick_volkerding/158485858 [09:18] am i the only one having problems with Kleopatra not giving feedback/stalling when i want to import PGP keys? [09:19] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.26.191) joined ##slackware. [09:21] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Quit: ^D [09:23] okies.. now it conveniently hosed my gpg.conf :-/ [09:25] thats where is was, Brentwood calif, where did you find that InspectorCluseau ? [09:25] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.251) joined ##slackware. [09:25] simple google check [09:26] I was curious since Sebeka is near me [09:26] macavity: I prefer kgpg over kleopatra, but honestly wouldn't know the difference between the two [09:27] me neither.. but now it threw out all the OpenPGP keys, yet kept the x509 certificates [09:27] mrjohns (~mrjohns@190.178.2.150) joined ##slackware. [09:28] macavity: do you use gpg-agent? [09:28] damn.. all i wanted was to add a key so kmail wouldnt give me the "cant verify" message [09:28] hahaha [09:28] pprkut: i dont know... does KDE do that per default? [09:28] no [09:28] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:29] and if you don't do it manually, gpg doesn't work. At least not fully [09:29] mrjohns (mrjohns@190.178.2.150) left ##slackware. [09:29] i dont have the slightest idea how all this works together.. and frankly, for once, i dont want to have to know [09:29] oh thats just great [09:29] yeah, it worked fine in kde3 without gpg-agent, I don't know why they suddenly need it :/ [09:30] I tried furiously to get it to work without it. No success [09:31] the great news is that it somehow removed my own key from the list too :-/ [09:31] and i dont have the *slightest* idea where i have the original [09:31] i think i generated my gpg key some 5 years ago [09:32] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.26.191) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:32] macavity: are they completely gone or does gnupg still show them? [09:33] command not found "gnupg" [09:33] middleman (~middleman@dsl-67-55-5-128.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] heh, ya. I'm currently looking for the exact command. Not really fluent in gog either ;) [09:33] gpg that is [09:33] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:33] ahh.. i have a lot of gpg-* commands [09:34] ok.. i think kleopatra hosed the config file [09:34] hi, is there an up-to-date tutorial on setting up wireless in Slackware 13.0? the one on slackwiki.org is from 2007 [09:34] gpg: /home/macavity/.gnupg/gpg.conf:243: invalid option [09:34] gpg: /home/macavity/.gnupg/gpg.conf:244: invalid option [09:35] "gpg --list-keys" would be the command [09:36] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [09:36] woohoo.. i deleted those two lines, and all my keys areappeard in kleopatra [09:36] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.149) joined ##slackware. [09:37] now backup your keys :P [09:37] middleman: do you have the wireless card up and running (eg, is it supported out of the box)?, do you use WEP or WPA? 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[09:38] dooohh.. pubring.gpg and secring.gpg :P [09:39] macavity, I don't know, I'm moving into a building tomorrow and the guy next door is subscribed to an Internet provider and I agreed to buy a wireless router and pay 50% of his bills [09:40] if he allows me to use his wifi [09:41] middleman: ok, first step is to figure out which wifi card you have, if it is Intel or Atheros it should work out of the box [09:41] if it is Broadcom it can be download a few tools to get it to work, all the way up to "sorry, no love for you honey bunny" [09:42] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-69-197.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:42] middleman: ifconfig -a [09:42] do you see a wlan0? [09:42] Atheros AR5BXB63 [09:42] spetacularly [09:42] is that a laptop? [09:42] yes, Acer Aspire One D150 [09:43] yes, I see wlan0 [09:44] Zordrak: ping [09:44] so i take it you want "a la windows" hooking up to wireless? [09:44] eg, you dont have to become root, edit a configuration file, etc, for every new place you take it? [09:44] great: on your slackware DVD, in the extra/ directory, there is a program called wicd [09:44] Channel flood from macavity -- kicking [09:44] install it :-) [09:44] Wireless Interface Client Daemon [09:44] macavity kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:44] macavity (~macavity@212088073002.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:45] haha [09:45] freaking lame bot :P [09:45] slackboy: you are lagging! [09:45] avctually you are [09:45] I saw it as a flood too [09:45] middleman: anyhow, make *sure* your regular user is a member of the group called "netdev" [09:45] ardya: details.. details! :P [09:46] what other alternative is there to wicd? [09:46] middleman: then chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd && /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start [09:46] to edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [09:47] but imho that makes no sense for a laptop [09:47] I'll stick to wicd :) [09:47] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [09:51] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [09:52] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:52] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [09:52] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [09:54] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.45) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [09:55] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.7) joined ##slackware. [09:56] afkbblkkthxbai [09:57] pprkut: oh, and thanks for the help :-) [10:00] macavity: no problem :) [10:00] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [10:00] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:01] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [10:01] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:01] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:03] Mushroomzin (~Mushroom@189.17.54.83) joined ##slackware. [10:03] macavity, is there a graphical front-end to wicd? [10:04] wicd-client [10:04] Axius (~hi@92.82.85.188) joined ##slackware. [10:05] works! [10:05] there's an unsecured network :) [10:06] Which linux distro is better than slackware? [10:07] I don't know, I'm new to Slackware, but so far I'm very happy with it [10:07] switched from Windows XP [10:07] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:07] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [10:07] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Axius: /join ##betterthanslackware [10:09] Axius, the only distro better then slackware is my slackware, its better then yours too [10:10] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:10] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:10] guax, mine is better than yours! [10:11] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:11] o sir, thats an serious acusations [10:11] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:11] Action: guax takes his white gloves and slaps Axius [10:11] choose your weapon and meet me at 12:00 on the city center [10:11] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Axius, stabs guax with a dagger! [10:14] Aasgard (~slax@95.169.41.237) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Action: guax slips out and run up the stairs [10:14] limpio (~macondo@190.140.40.235) joined ##slackware. [10:15] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:15] limpio (~macondo@190.140.40.235) left irc: Client Quit [10:16] Axius (~hi@92.82.85.188) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:17] lol [10:17] há, he left. and i survived =D [10:19] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:19] seems to me slackware v13.1 is coming... 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[10:28] Hi [10:29] hi akshat [10:29] middleman: hello :) [10:29] slackaholic (1000@187-24-158-2.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:29] how are you, akshat? [10:30] middleman: I am good. thanks. How are you? [10:30] I'm doing good too [10:31] I just wanted to know if this is the correct place to discuss armedslack; or is there another channel for it? [10:32] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.251) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:32] macondo (~macondo@190.140.40.235) joined ##slackware. [10:33] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] macondo (~macondo@190.140.40.235) left irc: Quit: macondo [10:36] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:36] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:39] wertik_rus (~mirggi@95-26-98-10.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: [10:39] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Client Quit [10:39] akshat: Do you have a specific armedslack question? I use armedslak but I'm definitely no expert with it :) [10:40] niels_horn: what do you use it on? [10:40] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:40] niels_horn: I have a beagleboard and would like to use armedslack on it [10:40] akshat: for now on Qemu, but I ordered a SheevaPlug [10:41] bah [10:41] iwant one of those [10:41] dammit, amarok keeps on crapping :/ [10:41] and I can't get that bastard to recompile [10:41] Scuzz: The SheevaPlug or the beagleboard? [10:41] sheevaplug [10:42] akshat: I have no experience with the beagleboard. There is an active mailinglist for armedslack with knowledgable people [10:42] Scuzz: $ 99,00 :) [10:42] niels_horn: ok [10:43] yeah i was hoping for the price to reduce but it hasnt [10:44] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Scuzz: I've been waiting for that as well... But I guess it will only drop when alternatives become available [10:44] Razec (1000@189-92-1-66.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:44] true [10:45] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:45] I wonder if armedslack will run on the tegra2 [10:45] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:45] a tegra2 smartbook + armedslack would be a dream :) [10:46] akshat: http://lists.armedslack.org/mailman/listinfo/armedslack [10:46] pprkut: Dreaming about arm-notebooks... [10:46] niels_horn: thanks [10:46] :) [10:46] niels_horn: they are coming :) [10:47] well, not notebooks, but...still [10:47] pprkut: Patience, my friend... Anxiety leads to the dark side... [10:48] I don't care if those smartbooks are white or black. I want them NOW! [10:48] :) [10:48] pprkut: hehehe... Any site with info? I wouldn't mind a netbook-like thing... [10:49] just installed and configured my slack, impressive system and very fast [10:49] does slackware handle network differently than other linux distros_ [10:49] ? [10:49] I have a virtual network with armedslack talking to my Slack/390 mainframe :D [10:49] Aasgard, no [10:50] niels_horn: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/asus-pegatron-neo-with-tegra-2-hands-on/ [10:50] that's what I'm waiting for [10:50] niels_horn, emulated mainframe, right? [10:50] if not i officialy hate you, thanks [10:51] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@200-171-49-211.dsl.telesp.net.br expired. [10:51] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@200-171-49-211.dsl.telesp.net.br' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:51] guax: yep. My wife would not let me have a real mainframe in the bedroom :D [10:51] uhaeuhaeuh [10:51] thats why gods invented garages [10:51] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:51] wait, what i said? forget. [10:51] guax: That would cause remarks like: "It's the mainframe or me, who's leaving?" [10:51] vede (~joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.40.178) joined ##slackware. [10:51] niels_horn, i know, its hard to being obligated to let her go [10:52] guax: hehehehe.... [10:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] hey, another question... is there a way to assign X actions to mouse buttons on the fly? [10:53] hrad (a@78-136-187-110.client.ufon.cz) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:53] akshat, yes, while in the plane, turn of your X server then reconfigure, and start it up again [10:53] I have got the button numbers from xev... although no keycodes were present... but are those still usable? [10:54] guax: didn't quite get you [10:54] if they appear on xev, then tey are usable [10:54] hahahaha [10:54] they* [10:54] guax: correct, but with what do I use them? [10:55] So. Every single night for the past week, KDE has crashed while I was asleep. It has *never* crashed for the same reason (Once, KWin died and brought all of KDE with it, this time, QClipboard died and brought all of KDE with it, another time it was KNotify that hit the bucket). Is KDE supposed to be this unstable? [10:55] I am not talking about the buttons being usaable :), the buttons assignments is what I meant [10:56] vede: don't sleep, problem solved [10:56] akshat, mouse buttons i dont know [10:56] :O [10:56] Hm. [10:56] keyboard can using xkb [10:56] guax: ok [10:56] vede, kde is planning something, dont sleep anymore [10:57] 13:58:43 up 1 day, 15:16, 3 users, load average: 0.20, 0.10, 0.07 [10:57] and not a single crash [10:58] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.252) joined ##slackware. [10:59] middleman (~middleman@dsl-67-55-5-128.acanac.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:59] Okay, but seriously, what could be going on here? [11:00] recompile with debugging enabled, take the backtrace and file a bugreport [11:00] The crashes seem to happen for really crazy random reasons (most of which don't seem like they should take down KDE entirely, like "line 3 in config.blah is bad") [11:00] check your disk and memory for hardware problem [11:00] random crashes are often related to this [11:01] slackaholic (1000@187-24-129-100.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Also check for signs of sleepwalking. [11:01] lol [11:01] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Would that really only kill KDE, though? I wake up to a CLI with a big " *death*" message, not a dead computer or a login screen. [11:03] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:03] vede: I've had a system start to crash randomly because of a bad ram stick. does it crash just in KDE or in other environments as well? [11:03] Hmm. [11:03] I dunno. [11:03] vede: it's not running out of memory? [11:03] 3d screensavers occasionally crash my machine [11:04] TheGroove, if I'm being run out of memory, then there's a serious problem here. [11:04] Unless, yeah, my screensaver is doing it. [11:04] when i need to upgrade my system [11:04] (But that's still a problem.) [11:04] Well, exclude the sceensaver, and we'll see your report tomorrow morning ;) [11:05] Oh yeah, I have another problem. [11:05] For some reason, I absolutely cannot disable power saving on my monitor. [11:05] i never install xscreensaver or any others (kde) they dont save anything [11:06] thanks all of you for your help. I need to go now. will be back later :) [11:06] akshat (akshat@122.161.116.162) left ##slackware. [11:06] Screensavers are nice... if you have one of those green or orange CRT screens. [11:06] No matter what settings I change (I even checked BIOS for anything that might be important), my monitor still goes into standby after ten or twenty minutes of idling. [11:06] vede: xset -dpms [11:07] vede: it's in the rc scripts [11:07] Which? [11:07] ah, no. That's console only [11:08] rc.M [11:08] geronimo9 (~irchon@166.137.9.90) joined ##slackware. [11:09] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:09] geronimo9 (~irchon@166.137.9.90) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:10] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:14] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:14] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [11:15] hey [11:16] I get this erorr when I try to install openchrome-0.2.904 : /usr/include/GL/glxint.h:36:19: error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory. What can I do to fix this problem? [11:17] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) joined ##slackware. [11:17] partial install? [11:17] no opengl support [11:17] with mesa he likely won't even have X [11:17] maybe [11:18] err, without of course [11:18] But mesa is what provides gl.h [11:18] mesa-7.5.1-x86_64-1:usr/include/GL/gl.h [11:18] damascenodiego (1000@187-24-129-100.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:18] exactly, if mesa is missing he wouldn't have X [11:18] damascenodiego (1000@187-24-129-100.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:18] BUt if mesa is present he would have gl.h :) [11:19] Axius: are you using Slackware? :) [11:20] heh [11:20] Possibly the nvidia binary driver replaces this, though. [11:20] not the .h files [11:20] it replaces the .h files [11:20] (iirc) [11:20] ok, wrong :-) [11:20] but they will still be here [11:20] but, well, "replaces", which means they would still be there [11:21] Yes, unless an uninstall or upgrade removed them afterwards. [11:21] nope, unless...he used the SlackBuilds [11:22] but then there would be at least a gl.h-xorg [11:22] I don't think we'll ever find out! [11:25] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-98-10.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:25] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [11:26] zuhair (~zuhair@125.163.45.227) joined ##slackware. [11:26] dear slackers, [11:27] somebody can know where slackpkg put tgz/txz packages after install ? [11:27] download their ? [11:27] Somewhere in /var, I suspect. [11:27] /var/slackpkg or something? [11:27] I think no [11:28] slackaholic: after install? [11:28] /var/lib/slackpkg maybe? [11:29] /var/log/packages/ have only record info about already installing pakages [11:29] # Downloaded files will be in directory below: [11:29] TEMP=/var/cache/packages [11:29] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:29] BUT [11:30] # If DELALL is "on", all downloaded files will be removed after install. [11:30] DELALL=on [11:30] And that's the default. [11:30] This is all in /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf [11:30] ok, clear then [11:31] who already try install kernel 2.6.37.7 from current version ? [11:31] vede (~joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:31] umm, I got Slackware64 13.0 on my Vostro 1310 [11:32] the input device (eg. touchpad, keyboard) is often not detected, nor usable [11:32] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:32] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.250) joined ##slackware. [11:32] why is that? [11:33] sounds like a mystery [11:33] slackaholic (1000@187-24-129-100.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:34] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] under X? is the touchpad a synaptics? [11:34] or does it sometimes work and sometimes doesn't? [11:34] wertik_rus: I have it running here on my -current system [11:35] niels_horn, thx a lot , [11:35] when I tried installed this version I saw kernel painc [11:35] *panic [11:35] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.38.201) joined ##slackware. [11:35] Camarade_Tux: ah yeah, it's under X [11:35] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:35] wertik_rus: did you do a mkinitrd (if you use the generic kernel) + lilo after updating? [11:36] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:36] and I haven't tried it into runlevel 3 [11:36] niels_horn, only lilo , I do not know how i can make mkinitrd from other kernel version when I doing upgrade [11:37] when the login screen came up (KDM), the keyboard and touchpad just doesn't respond [11:37] *don't respond [11:38] wertik_rus: you can (should) run mkinitrd before booting the new kernel, or boot with the huge kernel first. The huge kernel (the default) should always work [11:38] slackaholic (1000@187-24-129-100.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:38] zuhair: see http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Configuration_via_HAL_policy_.28hotplugging_enabled.2C_recommended.29 [11:39] niels_horn, huge not working on my PC [11:40] i got this is errors while trying to startx ... xinit: server error [11:40] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:40] wertik_rus: uhm, how did you install then? Special boot parameters? [11:41] xauth: error in locking authority file/newbie2010/.Xauthority [11:41] no , only slackpkg unpade && slackpkg upgrade-all [11:41] what does it mean? [11:42] newbie2010: does it prevent you from starting X? [11:42] yes it does [11:42] try: 'rm ~/.Xauthority' [11:43] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:45] bgdn (~bogdan@dsl-67-55-5-128.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] wertik_rus: ok, but with this you updated both the huge & generic kernels. Does it give any info with the kernel panic? Like that it cannot mount your hard drive, etc [11:45] Camarade_Tux: will you give me a kiss if I asked you to? :) [11:45] slackaholic (1000@187-24-129-100.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:45] it works wooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooo [11:45] is there a torrent client that comes with the Slackware DVD? [11:46] niels_horn, how you think , I can do it from chroot ? build mkinitrd [11:47] Camarade_Tux: why did that happen? what was wrong? [11:47] wertik_rus: yes, booting from a live cd for instance [11:47] bgdn (~bogdan@dsl-67-55-5-128.acanac.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] zuhair (~zuhair@125.163.45.227) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:48] niels_horn, thx [11:48] be right back [11:48] wertik_rus (wertik@95-26-98-10.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:48] Axius (~fd@109.97.60.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:49] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:51] newbie2010: no idea, can't remember the exact purpose of the file though (a cookie but can't remember what for) [11:51] authnetication to X server [11:52] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:52] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [11:52] usually the problem is that file gets wrong permissions [12:00] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [12:00] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:04] any tricks to get RSS widget working on Slack64_ [12:05] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.209.190) joined ##slackware. [12:05] shadowx (~7350@core.astika.bg) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:06] Akonadi server gave me some errors about no SQL service was found, could it be related? [12:06] things were good when there was no Akonadi server [12:07] things are still good. akonadi works like a charm :P [12:09] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [12:09] hallo o/ [12:10] hi \o [12:12] curious. MYFUNC() { grep -i $1 /path/to/file|grep -v string; } fails to pipe the initial grep to the second one, and just returns the output of the initial grep. Why is the pipe ignored? [12:13] hrad (~a@78.136.187.110) joined ##slackware. [12:13] ardya: try putting spaces around the pipe [12:14] no change [12:14] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [12:14] has anybody used apache ARP ? pkgtool says it's installed, but can't find it anywhere [12:14] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.252) joined ##slackware. [12:15] hi all question .. i have a movie im about to rip right .. the chapter i will rip is chapter 1 .. how do i find the filze size of a movie/chapter im about to rip ? [12:16] ardya: you mean it outputs lines with "string" in them? [12:16] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:16] lsdvd only shows me the length .. [12:16] Camarade_Tux: no, I mean only the first grep is performed and output, the pipe, and second grep are ignored [12:16] *apr [12:16] I was searching for arp [12:17] ardya: would you also need to have, "case in $1 { 'myfunc' ) myfunc; ; *) esac" ? [12:18] Since I'm not using case, no, I dont need case [12:19] hrad: arp isn't installed!? [12:19] apache apr :) [12:19] oh my bad =P [12:19] phrag: he''s referring to APR [12:19] hehe [12:20] I was searching for it 5 minutes [12:21] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.38.201) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:21] I did worse: took me hours to find a similar typo once [12:21] "arcihve" instead of "archive" [12:21] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.38.201) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Nick change: newbie2010 -> brbash [12:23] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:25] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [12:29] I've partitioned and formatted 2Gb usb memory to 3 ntfs parts, but I can only view the smallest first one on windows XP ... anyone know the reasons? and how to make it all of them accessable on windows? [12:29] Action: jeev scratches his ass [12:29] they're all ok on slackwre [12:29] slackware* [12:29] yea cause thats the expected behaviour of windows [12:30] show first partition [12:31] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:31] /dev/sda2 13 519 958737 7 HPFS/NTFS [12:32] use fat32 [12:32] Camarade_Tux: total pebkac in my grep command, the fucntion works as expected [12:33] and is it possible to detede data from "-t vfat" mounted partition ? [12:33] brbash: using ntfs for partitions that small? and 3 partitions on 2GB? [12:33] ardya: ;-) [12:34] always says that I don't have rights to delete data or change rights etc. [12:34] hrad: I didn't try that .. Camarade_Tux: yes it's only for learning purposes ya know [12:34] brbash, I've never managed [12:34] this my first time using linux fdisk [12:34] hrad, did ya mount the partitions as rw? if you mounted as root and try to access as user might also create complications [12:35] I mounted it like mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 ./somwhere [12:35] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.209.190) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:35] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [12:35] does it say (rw) on the mounted partition? [12:35] moment [12:38] rw is default, and the mount point is rw [12:38] omg [12:38] :D [12:38] missunderstanding again [12:38] It can't be done on windows machine [12:38] :-P [12:38] sorry [12:39] nothing can be done on a windows machine. /$0.02 [12:40] hm, when you created the partitions, did you specify the fat as filesystem before formatting it as fat? not sure if it should matter, but i've always stuck to this rule and i've never had trouble with multiple partitions on external drives in either windows or slack [12:40] I kid, there is a place for windows. [12:40] only times i can't access partitions are when windows doesn't recognize the filesystem used [12:40] Cann0n, windows is good for gaming, period. :D [12:41] kslen, by fdisk [12:41] yes [12:41] iirc, Windows XP doesn't support reading multiple partitions on flash memory. [12:41] if it weren't for the lack of games elsewhere, i wouldn't mind seing that operating system shot two to the head [12:41] then format as fat [12:41] Yep. I guess that's why I'm not a gamer. I'll boot up the 16-bit Sega Gen when I feel like rocking the Sonic. [12:41] antiwire, really? [12:41] Action: Cann0n jumps into the shadows and disappears. [12:41] really. [12:41] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: [12:42] Cann0n, n1! got an original rev 01 megadrive here myself :D [12:42] with mega cd ^^ [12:42] kslen: nice! [12:42] checkout supergamer.org [12:42] j0z (~lhp@201.22.20.212) joined ##slackware. [12:42] j0z (~lhp@201.22.20.212) left irc: Changing host [12:42] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [12:42] antiwire, hm, did not know. thanks [12:42] I like wesnoth once and a while [12:42] !!! [12:42] gaming distro, 8GB of linux gaming =) [12:42] I'm enjoying the time when father calling me that somethings wrong on his XP, and I can't explain him that I haven't seen XP 3 years that he'd do better [12:42] Cann0n, you're not a female per chance ey? ;P [12:43] http://supergamer.org ... a treat for any gaming linux geek =) [12:43] kslen: Nope. Sorry. I got balls and everything. [12:43] i needs me a woman who knows how to appreciate sega and good strategy games ^^ [12:43] damnit. :D [12:44] antiwire, what if lilo or grub was installed on top a multipartitions usb stick to choose the booting partition and then it doesn't matter to recognize the other one? [12:44] kslen: I need a girl that isn't afraid of hopping on the skateboard and taking a cruise to the shop down the street from my uncles house and picking out a $2 Sega Gen came [12:44] s/came/game [12:44] can that be done? [12:44] you dont want a mmo girlfriend... they'll do anything for an epic mount =P [12:44] Cann0n, hahaha [12:44] Cann0n, you're me! [12:45] Longboard? [12:45] with the dog running on the left hand side [12:45] :D [12:45] deckard563 (~deckard13@250.92.broadband6.iol.cz) joined ##slackware. [12:46] suweeet! you on Silverfishlongboarding.com ? [12:46] noes, i'll hafsta check that out [12:46] I started the skate wiki for that site. [12:46] :> [12:47] anyone having sound card locking issues in -current/kde4.4 ? [12:47] I did phrag [12:47] you find out what was causing it [12:47] ATI-HD SB [12:47] uh [12:47] no, I just didn't use KDE. [12:48] Cann0n, bookmarked and will be looked at later. i'm getting visitors any moments now so i've gotta scoot. laters [12:48] :> [12:48] hmm, may spend some tim debugging and working out a fix for it [12:48] Aasgard (~slax@95.169.41.237) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:48] later kslen [12:48] starting to annoy me, but not sure it's phonon related or what [12:48] need to wait till it manifests again tho lol [12:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:49] Action: nachox points towards fluxbox [12:49] phrag: mine played the startup sound, but that was it. i thought disabling the startup sound would fix it but it didn't [12:49] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:49] slackie (~x@87.196.58.47) joined ##slackware. [12:50] but I couldn't play any music ar anything [12:50] sh0ne (~sh0ne@109.93.122.9) joined ##slackware. [12:50] chowder (~Anon@c-98-211-211-147.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:51] Hi all. I'm new to slackware and I'm installing it in a vm before I dualboot with my current Linux distro. I'd like to do a network install. Where are the mirrors listed? [12:53] gave you one yesterday [12:53] chowder: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/remote-installation-of-slackware-using-ssh/ [12:53] didnt write it down? [12:53] ardya: yes I did but I used that to fetch the iso [12:53] I can use that mirror for an install as well? [12:53] niels__horn (niels@187.89.119.101) joined ##slackware. [12:54] rj2_ (~rj2@59.94.176.37) joined ##slackware. [12:55] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:55] what I mean is that when the installer asks for the URL for the server (network install) I can just type: http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/ [12:55] why you doing 2 network installs? [12:55] I'm not doing 2. Just doing one [12:55] surely that is a waste of network resources and extra strain on the mirrors [12:55] LOL [12:56] thought you wereinstallign a vm then installing to hd? [12:56] I'm installing slackware in virtualbox [12:56] to become familiar with it before I do the install [12:56] hence my comment [12:56] I'm not going to install to my actual HDD today [12:57] install from an iso [12:57] rj2_ (~rj2@59.94.176.37) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:57] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:57] well for the actual physical install that's what I was thinking of doing [12:57] then you have the iso for when and if you decide to install to your hdd, instead of downloading 4GB or whatever twice [12:57] no different foir a vm install. [12:58] I guess. I'm thinking of just installing the base system and then building up. [12:59] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC302BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [12:59] i see what you guys mean about putting uneeded strain on the servers [12:59] yea, you can do that from the iso [12:59] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:59] min or full install or custom [12:59] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:59] chowder: a misconception since those servers also serve other distros [13:00] i see [13:00] unavailable www.slackware.com??? [13:01] ardya: I'm actually switching from Ubuntu [13:01] I've tried LFS, archlinux, and a few other distros [13:01] sure [13:01] whatever wrks for you [13:01] I figured I'd try slackware since its one of the oldest [13:01] deckard563: the IP seems down [13:02] phrag: Are you using alienBOB's kde 4.4 build? [13:02] antiwire: yes i am [13:02] k [13:02] to be perfectly honest (not to disrespect Ubuntu), I've become fed up with Ubuntu [13:03] What is happen [13:03] deckard563: not sure, be patient, sure it'll be back up soon... doesn't go down often [13:03] phrag: you are not using amarok, by any chance, are you? [13:03] pprkut: i was, but back to trusty xmms as amarok was buggy [13:03] I see [13:04] i think it may be a phonon issue, not sure [13:04] sorry if this is offtopic but have any of you guys set up a beowulf cluster? [13:05] phrag: it looks like amarok is completely borked on 4.4 [13:06] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:06] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [13:06] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [13:06] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:06] pprkut: tbh, i only started using it on 4.4.. too buggy so dropped it.. i love xmms and have used for years, despite lack of development, however i am search for a nice method of organising my ever growing and messy music collection [13:06] how about exile ? [13:06] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.71) joined ##slackware. [13:07] the easiest and most complete way to organize your music is with file structure [13:07] phrag: ok, don't judge amarok by the experience we currently get from it. It's way nicer [13:07] i use Artist/Artist - Album/Artists - Album - Track number - Song.ext [13:08] pprkut: yeh, i have heard good things.. i'll defo check it out once it's stable again [13:08] that way i can always reconstitute from damage [13:08] phrag: a recompile should fix the issues, unfortunately that fails [13:08] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:09] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Skywise: good point, that's kind of how i've been doing things.. being able to rate music is handy tho [13:09] i find trying to organize by genre doesn't work because often a group will fall into more then one [13:09] Skywise: precisely [13:10] although i found in amarok, once i'd 'rated' a song, if i phyically moved the file somewhere else, it forgot all the metadata like rating [13:10] i think playlists are good if you want to impose a new scheme [13:10] Action: niels__horn needs to reorganize his music files... [13:11] dont know about you but i am still using amarok 1.4 best vers ever imho [13:11] one thing that i'm also doing now is making pars for each of my albums [13:11] Skywise: well, that's another thing actually.. how do you create a playlist that will work if you move the files... relative paths? and which is the best format, that's what always confused me [13:11] and its been very useful [13:11] Skywise: as in parity check files? [13:11] like usenet [13:11] yeah, relative paths and have the playlist in the same directory as the songs themselves [13:11] nzb* [13:12] yeah, and you can reconstruct missing or damaged files [13:12] cool, might look into that once i decide on my organisation method [13:12] its easy for some to get damaged in transit when your moving alot around [13:13] mr-S^b43: exile? [13:13] it takes more space but i think the robustness is worth it, since space is cheap [13:14] chowder (~Anon@c-98-211-211-147.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:14] exile is gtk clone of amarok .. very interesting while keeping the 1.4 style [13:15] ewww gtk :/ [13:15] i dont like amarok 2.x i just dont [13:18] i think m3u is prolly the most widely supported playlist format [13:19] pprkut: mplayer :P [13:20] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.252) left irc: Quit: Going to Bed [13:20] pprkut: pygtk, actually [13:20] I like amarok, if it wuld just compile.... :( [13:21] How do I check if 'shared-mime-info' is installed? [13:21] ls /var/log/packages/shared* [13:21] pprkut: what's the problem? [13:22] epoch: do you know how to use find? [13:23] Camarade_Tux: http://www.pastebin.ca/1796276 [13:23] ugly [13:23] amarok dev(s) assume slackware's package management is at fault [13:23] pprkut: looks like g++ could be too new [13:24] /tmp/amarok-250b0e1/src/MainWindow.h:90: error: reference to Playlist is ambiguous [13:24] yeah, I assumed a gcc issue as well [13:24] but apparently no other major distro has that issue, nor a patch for it [13:25] and google finds nothing either [13:25] pprkut: is this a stable release or a nightly? [13:25] looks nightly [13:25] same error happens on 2.2.2, 2.2.2.90 and git head [13:25] I tried in that order, thinking it might already be fixed :/ [13:25] btw, I may be wrong but I don't see how anything in slackware could be at fault [13:26] same. [13:27] yep, I thought the same so I asked. That's what I got: "<@markey> without looking at the error: it is likely related to that in some form" [13:28] because the tutorial is fool-poof, loet's of users used it successfully, bla bla [13:30] pprkut: under -current? [13:30] -current + kde 4.4 [13:31] I'll wait a bit longer and try again later in #amarok [13:31] tried downgrading gcc? [13:31] if I don't get a reasonable answer I file a bug report [13:32] Camarade_Tux: not an option for me, at least not right now [13:32] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:33] multilib issue? [13:33] unlikely, the only multilib stuff I have is gcc+glibc [13:33] plus, that would print different error messages [13:34] yeah [13:34] I *suspect* that 2.2.2 not being in -current is because of that issue [13:35] pprkut: are any of the other distros using gcc 4.3.3? [13:35] 4.4.3, rather [13:36] NaCl: fedora has the same gcc version, and the same glibc [13:36] but an awful lot of patches [13:36] of course... [13:39] Axius (~fd@92.82.84.84) joined ##slackware. [13:40] shawn (~shawn@cpe-24-31-147-42.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Nick change: shawn -> kytan [13:40] hi [13:40] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.149) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:40] kytan (~shawn@cpe-24-31-147-42.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:41] bye [13:41] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.149) joined ##slackware. [13:41] pprkut: you might want to check windows builds: they may not be up-to-date but the environment should be a lot saner than fedora/ubuntu/debian/... [13:41] slackie (~x@87.196.58.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:43] When I run startx i get this erorr:CHROME(0): Unknown Card-Ids (3371|1462|7364), Chipset: P4M900/VN896/CN896 (EE) [drm] drmOpen failed CHROME(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI / What can I do to fix that problem? [13:44] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) joined ##slackware. [13:46] invictus (jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:47] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:48] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:48] PsYkHe[atwork] (~root@187.36.139.37) joined ##slackware. [13:48] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:48] PsYkHe[atwork] kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [13:49] maliaros (~maliaros@84.38.10.132) joined ##slackware. [13:50] I have VIA chipset and I want openchrome. [13:51] whats openchrome [13:51] ardya: openchrome is a driver. [13:51] open source driver for via chrome chipset/graphics [13:52] maliaros (~maliaros@84.38.10.132) left irc: Client Quit [13:52] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.145.199) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:52] via unichrome [13:53] i want to configure my xorg to use that driver for my X window. [13:54] I've tried vesa and it does not work for me. [13:55] vesa works for everyone [13:57] lspci|grep -i vga [13:57] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01) [13:58] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.145.199) joined ##slackware. [13:59] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:59] straterra, so..i'm going to be in bloomington this week, anything good to do? [14:00] I've compiled openchrome driver form source and it does not work either. [14:00] Axius, that chip just sucks.. [14:00] slackaholic (1000@187-24-214-179.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:01] that chipset worked on slackware 12.2 well. [14:02] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [14:02] yea..well all the old via chips suck, its what earned them their origional bad name, it just sucks on every platform [14:02] anyways, try the lowest settings, with the drivers included in slack with slacks kernel [14:04] and they may have split the driver, check the man pages and such for the driver, sometimes you get errors like that because they split the driver to keep the suck from leaking into the newer drivers [14:04] edman007: what do you mean by that? [14:05] i mean are you sure it is the right driver in your xorg.conf? [14:05] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [14:06] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.145.199) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:06] Axius, pastebin your xorg.conf [14:07] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:09] sh0ne (~sh0ne@109.93.122.9) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:11] gem_cat (~GEM@207-119-10-32.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] edman007: ok [14:12] i have 13 up - sort of - most kde is not working [14:12] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:13] if I can get k3b to work I can back up my data and make a clean install - but k3b thinks it lacks permission to write [14:14] meken (0@187.34.194.36) joined ##slackware. [14:14] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:14] meken kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: IRCing as root is dangerous. Please reference "IRCing as root" via google.com for further guidance. [14:14] There is a fix for that. Google it. There is a procedure to handle those issues. [14:15] I had the same issues with k3b once. [14:15] k3b has a permissions checker in it, IIRC. [14:15] NaCl: Yeah, it does. [14:16] Read the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT that's in the k3b source. [14:16] thanks Cann0n - I had the same issues before too - I made the dev hdd world writeable but is not working this time [14:16] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:16] thanks Cann0n [14:16] gem_cat: pastebin your fstab [14:16] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt7-port-179.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] hey all .. trying to find the file size of a video .. i just want the size of a chapter .. how can i do this ? [14:18] macman_: what format? [14:18] dump it to disk, lok how much space it takes [14:18] my ignorance is glowing Cann0n - i thought fstab had only to do with -reading- disks [14:18] Cann0n: its a regular dvd video .. lsdvd shows me the length .. i want the filezie of the chapters [14:19] gem_cat: it's all good mate. Happens to all of us. [14:19] i will fix the fstab entry and try again [14:19] rek (~rek@95.237.178.134) joined ##slackware. [14:19] hi [14:20] rek, hi... [14:20] so... i intalle [14:20] oohhh edd [14:20] hello [14:20] what a surprise [14:20] anyone know if TRIM has been implemented fully in latest -current kernel? 2.6.32.7 [14:20] Cann0n, was it you who lives near Jacksonville? [14:20] rek: Complete sentences on a line are better. [14:20] edman007: Correct. [14:20] phrag, what trim? [14:21] phrag: i'm on 2.6.32.8. I'll check real quick [14:21] Cann0n, i'm going down there next week :D (actually ameilia island) [14:21] edman007 i installed slackware 13 and i get error 15 grub can i create /grub/menu.lst ? i tried to install lilo but it says it's not possible...failed to install lilo [14:21] not possible? [14:21] edman007: good fishing spot. that's about an hour and a half/2 hours from my house. [14:21] Any error message? [14:21] Cann0n, aww [14:22] edman007 failed to install lilo or someting i tried to install it to the superbloack to mbr and in the floppy [14:22] edman007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM [14:22] edman007: what brings you down here? [14:22] edman007: for use with SSD's [14:22] phrag, oh, that [14:22] the drives support it? [14:23] This is the to my xorg.conf http://dpaste.com/158906/ [14:23] phrag: I /'ed for trim and couldn't find it in my config [14:23] i went to the disco yesterday night [14:23] what can i do? how can i boot this system with this problem [14:23] Axius: pastebin the output of lspci [14:24] ok [14:24] Axius, and drop the busid [14:25] openchrome driver? That a google thing? [14:25] No. [14:25] Well, I don't think so. I'm still waiting on the page to load. [14:25] edman007: If I can get some gas money, it may be possible for me to travel to the island for a cup of coffee. ;) [14:26] This is the link http://dpaste.com/158908/ [14:26] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:26] brbash (~newbie201@41.252.38.201) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:26] Axius: what kernel are you using? [14:26] Site is down. [14:26] edman what can i do^ [14:27] 2.6.29.6-smp [14:27] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [14:27] sh0ne (~sh0ne@109.93.122.9) joined ##slackware. [14:27] sh0ne (~sh0ne@109.93.122.9) left irc: Client Quit [14:27] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Axius: I assume you manually installed the openchrome driver? [14:29] Cann0n: yes. [14:30] bleh, I need to re-vamp my xorg. I'm getting flickering and laggy scrolling [14:30] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:30] openchrome? [14:30] anf graphics driver [14:30] ah* [14:30] what can i do to boot the os [14:30] install lilo [14:30] phrag it can't be installed [14:31] Cann0n: thanks [14:31] Axius: I'm sorry dude, I have no idea about open chrome. What are you trying to do, get 3d? [14:31] rek: what's the issue? [14:31] phrag: no problem. I could make menuconfig and double check if you'd like. [14:32] phrag can't install it...so i get error 15 grub. can i create /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot my os properly ? [14:32] Cann0n: I want to have X working. now it's not working. [14:33] Axius: does Driver = "vesa" work? [14:33] phrag: NOMMU_INITIAL_TRIM_EXCESS is the only thing that pops up [14:33] hrad (~a@78.136.187.110) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:33] turn on mmap() excess space trimming before booting [14:35] help guys [14:35] rek: what happened? [14:35] can't boot after you reinstalled? [14:36] no [14:36] error 15 grub and also i can't install lilo...however i saw lilo.conf [14:36] Ew. Grub. [14:36] it worked last time I have used it , but the screen resolution that I set back then was not working. every time I was stating X resolution changed. [14:36] How did grub get on there? [14:36] LnxSlck (1000@88.214.131.78) joined ##slackware. [14:36] where [14:37] as your boot loader. [14:37] Cann0n maybe it's the default btldr or something? [14:38] Axius: try lsmod | grep openchrome or something to see if the driver is even there [14:38] rek: lilo is the default boot loader for Slack. [14:38] rek: what distro did you have installed before Slack? [14:39] Cann0n ubuntu and then mythbuntu 9.04 but i din't like it much but i formatted the partition [14:40] rek: Ok, you need to fix your mbr. [14:40] Cann0n: that command it not showing anything. [14:40] Wiren (Wiren@mar44-3-82-235-66-69.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] Axius: try modprobe openchrome [14:40] hoqw [14:40] Cann0n: FATAL: Module openchrome not found [14:41] rek: unfortunately, it's not very simple. I recently had an issue with grub and the mbr when I tried Fedora. [14:41] Axius: you need to make sure you installed the driver correctly. [14:41] every time i install something this doesn't work [14:41] what's the problem with lilo [14:41] rek: because the mbr is the first few bytes of your harddrive [14:42] rek (~rek@95.237.178.134) left irc: [14:42] rek: the problem is you didnt write lilo to mbr [14:42] doh! [14:42] I was helping! [14:42] Cann0n: I have installed with slackpkg. [14:43] slackie (~x@87.196.58.47) joined ##slackware. [14:43] rek (~rek@95.237.178.134) joined ##slackware. [14:43] i'm here cann0 [14:43] Cann0n: xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.903-i486-2 [14:44] Axius: No idea dude. I've only bought ati based videa cards [14:44] Axius: don't take this as an insult, but did you reboot after you installed it? [14:45] IceChant (~icechant@94.159.190.156) joined ##slackware. [14:45] rek: hold on, there are a few ways to fix it. [14:45] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:45] rek: when you selected your partitions, what order did you set them? I set swap last [14:45] Cann0n: I have followed this tutorial http://lysender.co.cc/2010/01/slackware-linux-13-0/ to install openchrome driver. [14:46] Cann0n i left the swap i used wit mythbuntu [14:47] rek: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda/ bs=446 count=1 [14:47] deckard563 (deckard13@250.92.broadband6.iol.cz) left ##slackware. [14:47] what? [14:48] IceChant|AFK (~icechant@109.160.191.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:48] rek: run that command, reparition the drive via cfdisk and try no reinstall [14:48] no reinstall what? [14:49] Axius: Axius are you on 64bit? [14:49] how can i issue that [14:49] rek: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1 [14:49] rek: the boot loader [14:49] and it will basically kill everything on the drive [14:49] Cann0n: 32bit [14:50] rek: or you can try selecting the / parition first, then making the swap with the remainder. [14:50] edman007 in the black screen? [14:50] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:50] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [14:50] seems like a lot of unnecessary work to just fix the mbr. [14:50] what black screen? [14:50] i don't know what a remainder is [14:50] ardya, but it makes the job idiot proof [14:51] edman007 i'm stuck... error 15 grub [14:51] LOL [14:51] says you. [14:51] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Axius: hmm. double check where you stuck the driver. if modprobe isn't pulling it up, you may not have in in the right place [14:52] rek, resto [14:52] resto?? [14:52] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:52] ==remainder [14:52] rek: lets say you take 15 away 20. 5 in left over. [14:52] Cann0n, say it in italian... [14:52] someone here speaks that right? [14:52] Cann0n: what should I do then? [14:53] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [14:53] yesterday i drink something... however i don't understand at all sorry [14:53] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Goodbye - See you later [14:53] edman007: mamma mia! es pizza don vinny mafia! Age! [14:54] Axius: try to install it again. check the build scrips to make sure it's being placed in /lib/modules/linux-2.6.29.3-smp (what ever) [14:54] seven divided by three is two with a remainder of one -> sette diviso per tre è di due con il resto di uno [14:55] my italian is a little rough... last time I spoke it at a futball pub, I had the crap kicked out of me when I accidently said something about frogs and the home teams mothers. [14:55] hahaha [14:56] Action: edman007 plays google translate [14:56] edman007 adesso ho capito ---ah now i've understood [14:56] LOL [14:56] good [14:56] I wish the asians had google app to make them drive better here in the states... [14:56] good [14:56] ask me i'm italian [14:57] Asian dude hit last year while I was skating... [14:57] rek, what type of pizza do you like? [14:57] have you ever had ny style pizza? [14:57] Blew through a redlight because he saw a green right turn arrow. [14:57] rofl [14:57] facepalm [14:58] Yeah, I exchanged a few words. Some were made up, but he got the point. [14:58] viennese [14:58] new yourk pizza? non so mai assaggiata [14:59] Axius: /lib/modules/*linux-verios*/kernel/drivers/char/drm [14:59] s/versios/version [14:59] I like Publix thin crust Itialian pizza... It's the best froozen pizza on the market. [15:00] I never have success preparing my own dough. [15:00] rek, http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/28430-thin_new_york_style_pizza.jpg [15:00] edman007: that's real fire cooked??? [15:00] dunno..looks good [15:01] brick oven places always have the best pizza [15:01] yeah it does. i'm starving too. [15:01] what type of pizza? nice....edman do you drink usually ? [15:01] rek - just start over from the beginning - remove the partitions and reformat everything you dont need much swap 4x your system memory is more than enough just let the install take the remainder of your hd and accept the defaults [15:01] Action: edman007 is defrosting ham [15:02] gem_cat 1gb [15:02] rek, traditionally pizza in ny is made thin and cooked very hot, in the early 1900s they used coal fired ovens [15:02] well 1gb is a big swap [15:02] ovens? edman i like thin pizza [15:02] now its mostly brick ovens and wood or gas fired..still very good [15:02] Cann0n: what's that? [15:02] yeah. I saw a thing on TrueTV about a fancy pizza place that was upper scale and expensive... their brick oven was a prop and they were buying ultra cheap school-food-pizza's [15:03] Axius: it's where you installed openchrome driver if it was done right. [15:03] if it's not there, you need to try again. [15:03] Cann0n: is not there. [15:04] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:04] hei yesterday went to the disco and i drank something i come back home and i didn't sleep i slept this evening... and also my HR was high is this normal? [15:04] rek, oven->the big box like thing that food is cooked in [15:04] Axius: try reading that guide again. Check your commands before pressing enter. [15:04] edman007 ah sorry i know.... owen [15:04] ol [15:05] Axius: I'm very inexperienced when it comes to installing drivers. I do it once and forget about it. [15:05] now i don't feel well also my.. stomach... when will i feel better? [15:05] rek: I was high everyday for work back when I was working. [15:05] But I face painted kids and set up chairs for weddings. [15:05] yeah but i drink something i'm not used to.... [15:06] se ya later [15:06] I drank cheap rum last night and the night before. [15:06] when will i feel better? [15:06] rek: Thursday. [15:07] today is ? [15:07] no monday? [15:07] Friday? [15:07] seriously [15:07] It's the weekend Im sure. [15:08] I get this tar: This does not look like a tar archive: when I run this command tar xvzf xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.904.tar.gz [15:08] Action: edman007 has a 4 day weekend [15:08] My system clock says it's April 53, 4.3^E [15:08] Axius, what does the file command call it? [15:08] Today is Setting Orange, the 45th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3176 [15:09] Axius: start typing something in the command and hit [15:09] Might help. [15:09] edman007: I'm waiting for Setting #FF11A4 [15:11] I googled color codes and a bunch of Black Panther related 60s riots came up... [15:11] heh [15:11] what the heck i get that error? [15:11] Axius: try downloading it again. Might be corrupt. [15:12] looks alright to me [15:12] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [15:13] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [15:13] it seems like it's corrupt jsut downloaded it and it states file is corrupt [15:13] ok [15:13] download it from http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/driver/xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.904.tar.gz [15:14] the openchrome download is not even there it seems 0 bytes [15:14] he has the xorg driver. [15:14] he doesnt have kernel DRM support [15:14] ardya: but modprobe openchrome came back fatal [15:15] I never use stock kernels. [15:15] well, that was a total bust [15:15] adaptr: where was you 45 minutes ago??? Gah! [15:16] LnxSlck (1000@88.214.131.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:16] I dont see DRM support for openchrome in the kernel, stock or 2.6.32.7 [15:16] upgrading to kde 4.3, and failing :) [15:16] tab failure. [15:16] lol [15:16] not for me [15:16] was for me. sorry. lol [15:17] I like my ATI hardware [15:17] okay I guess this was Not It. now how do I upgrade to -current ? [15:18] this is mega off topic: It took me 3 years to get a bite on eHarmony. Boy are those girls gonna be disappointed. [15:19] lol [15:19] 3 years [15:19] what girls? you got one bite or multiple [15:19] bite/suckers [15:19] Actually, I got two bites/suckers this week. [15:19] But I went 3 years without a single page view... [15:20] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [15:20] I get the some error over and over again when try to install that driver. [15:20] This girl wants someone with good personal grooming habits... Sorry, Not gonna happen! I haven't bathed in 4 days. [15:20] Axius: what's the error say? [15:21] Cann0n: tar: This does not look like a tar archive tar: Skipping to next header tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors [15:21] Cann0n: nice. thanks for sharing about you not bathing;-) [15:21] heh [15:21] Axius, you're trying to simply run "installpkg" on a tarball ? [15:21] thrice`: no. [15:22] tar xfz xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.904.tar.gz [15:22] hitest: no problem. I actually changed my boxers this morning, but not my socks! [15:22] then your download is corrupt [15:22] happy valentines day slackers! =) [15:22] phrag: you too. [15:22] i gotta restart x [15:23] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:23] I have download that file many time. [15:24] Axius, run "md5sum xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.904.tar.gz" [15:24] mine extracts fine: [15:24] 9f332983b5d31e1308915649e8c26073 xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.904.tar.gz [15:24] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [15:25] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Woot! [15:25] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [15:26] thrice`: my too, but still does not compile. [15:26] I don't like meeting chicks from the internet. They are always 50 pounds heavier than they appear... [15:27] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) left irc: Quit: scrouix [15:27] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.149) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:27] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:27] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:28] have you tried showering and leaving the house? [15:28] I should give up now, is too late. thanks for trying to help me. [15:28] thrice`: yeah, I even shaved by pubes once. [15:29] Axius: hope you solve your issue. [15:29] Delete the download. Try again. [15:31] Maybe my breath is just too gnarly for some chicks to handle. I'll have to date a chick had her olfactory glands destroyed by a non FDA approviate nasal spary from Mexico City. [15:31] Graf_Ithaka (~georg@unixboard/users/graf) joined ##slackware. [15:32] hiho alltogether =) [15:32] hi [15:33] Action: Cann0n notices his made up don't fly to well around literitesters [15:33] I need a break from the computer. I'm buzz the weed man. bbl [15:33] why does one only notice that he's already solved his problem at the moment he wanna ask for help -.- [15:34] Cann0n, did you save the shaved ones? thrice` collects them [15:34] Cann0n: keep it on topic please [15:35] yea Cann0n, on topic only [15:35] too much jeev [15:35] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [15:35] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [15:35] jeev (email@unaffiliated/jeev) left ##slackware. [15:35] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:35] Graf_Ithaka: it happens. I post on forums... then as soon as I hit submit, I try an idea, fix the problem, and get back to the forum only to find someone already posted a reply. [15:38] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:38] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Cann0n: yep, just happened to me.. I was searching for a "smaller" way to install slack13-64bit other than the official DVD and just the moment i stepped in here I found the usb-installers.. [15:40] btw.. I'm not able to reach slackware.com - is it offline for some reason? [15:40] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [15:40] yes [15:41] hi [15:41] Graf_Ithaka: check out Salix [15:41] It's got a 64bit version that fits on a single cd [15:41] It's slackware based. [15:41] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:42] ahm nah thx, I'd prefer to stay with the original =) [15:43] Graf_Ithaka: It's all linux to me. [15:43] yep its all linux ;) [15:43] There is no original. Only improvement. [15:43] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-54-162.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:43] well then, got the usb-key ready.. offline for installing - cu@all [15:43] :) [15:44] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:44] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [15:44] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:44] I gotta reconfigure my kernel. There are probably 200 options I don't need [15:44] Axius (~fd@92.82.84.84) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:44] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Graf_Ithaka (~georg@unixboard/users/graf) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:45] hey guys how do i uninstall virtualbox? [15:46] how did you install it? [15:46] removepkg virtualbox [15:46] /opt/Virtualbox/uninstall.sh (or something like that) [15:46] neither... :( [15:46] mel0n: how did you install it? [15:47] had to install separate parts like kernel etc [15:48] he asked how, not what [15:48] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:48] So, you compilied it yourself? ./configure && make && make install [15:48] sheesh! you do some obscure custom install we have no idea about and you expect us to magically know how to uninstall it [15:48] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Pig_Pen: lol. My guess is he didn't set --prefix and it blew chuncks in his filesystem. [15:49] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!root@* expired. [15:49] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:49] no theres different parts i had to download of slackbuilds [15:49] if you built packages from slackbuilds then removepkg on them [15:49] removepkg pkgname [15:49] mel0n: then removepkg should do the trick [15:50] =j #slackware-offtopic [15:50] i installed all these http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=virtualbox&sv=13.0 [15:50] so, use removepkg on them [15:51] mel0n, if you installed from slackbuilds then 'removepkg' should uninstall them [15:51] ok [15:51] removepkg /var/log/packages/virtualbox-kernel* for example [15:51] ill try it [15:51] if you dont know the names then run packagetool and select remove packages and hunt them down in the list and select them for removal [15:51] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] pkgtool* [15:52] yeah [15:52] Wiren (Wiren@mar44-3-82-235-66-69.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [15:52] I like sbopkg [15:52] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:52] ln -s /sbin/pkgtool /sbin/packagetool (there! fixed it) [15:52] crazyhors (~gr@209.89.220.82) joined ##slackware. [15:52] lol [15:53] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [15:53] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:54] I got an hours drive home. Later guys. [15:54] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:54] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:55] i tried virtualbox just yesterday since they released a new one, a resource hog like crazy and buggy as all hell (sticks with wine) [15:57] win2k installed after the second try, the first try the install procedure went in to an infinate loop of rebooting and detecting hardware, once installed it was ok but just dont try to run any applications in it [15:57] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-56-116.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:58] that bad? :/ [15:58] yeah [15:58] I must admit I always found qemu better [15:58] qemu blows chunks [15:58] just use vbox for solaris type things that don't install [15:58] qemu? [15:58] ardya, well I disagree [15:59] of course you do [15:59] i think wine is as far as i am going when it comes to stuff like that [15:59] ardya, ssh into other box, qemu --nographic, wait until it boots, ssh in to it from another term [15:59] instant action [15:59] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [15:59] I think I'm in love with Rachel Maddow. [15:59] qemu rules [16:00] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [16:00] Action: mel0n runs off to install qemu [16:00] wine has been a 50/50 coin toss for me, either it runs good or it doesnt [16:00] ardya doesn't know anything about qemu, he just started using ubuntu. that's the only linux he knows how to use [16:00] :) [16:00] lol ;) [16:01] my computer needs to stop locking up, it isn't good for my x25-m ssd. [16:01] stupid video card [16:01] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [16:01] what all is required for qemu? are there several packages that need to be built in a proper order? [16:01] no [16:02] Graf_Ithaka (~georg@unixboard/users/graf) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hopefully you at least have kvm in the kernel [16:02] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.7) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [16:02] Pig_Pen, depends on your cpu capabilities [16:02] so you cold build qemu-kvm [16:02] could [16:02] if your cpu supports it use kvm, if not then you need the kqemu kernel module too [16:02] does qemu still neet root to make the bridge and up tap0? [16:02] well kqemu is gone now I belie ve [16:02] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] back so fast ;) - anyone's got the enhanced usbimg2disk.sh script by alien? as its hosted on slackware.com I can't get i atm [16:03] ardya, yeah I do run it as root for stuff like that [16:03] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [16:03] lame [16:03] vbox ftw [16:03] kitche, it should still be on SBo [16:03] that is just what i was needing, to do the guest OS i will need kqemu [16:03] (the enhanced one, which also copies over the packages) [16:03] kitche, I hope anyway since I'm the maintainer [16:03] Wiren (Wiren@mar44-3-82-235-66-69.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] scratch that, got it [16:04] dive should be but qemu is getting rid of it at some point [16:04] nope, there is where i strike out i dont have kvm in the kernel, i would have to rebuild my kernel - 10 minute job [16:05] kitche, yeah, pity for us on old hardware I guess [16:05] gui_ap (guilherme@189.111.34.107) left ##slackware. [16:05] make mrproper, cp /boot/.config, and menuconfig & tick the kvm stuff should do it? [16:05] Pig_Pen, I would zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/ [16:06] and use that config [16:06] er [16:06] Pig_Pen, I would zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config [16:07] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.139.37) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:07] wont work, i am not running a stock kernel, no /proc/config.gz thats why i always keep a copy of .config in /boot [16:07] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-34-62-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:07] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.221) joined ##slackware. [16:07] ah ok [16:08] if you have already compiled it then you probably don't need make mrproper [16:08] it will be faster without that [16:08] Virtualization > KVM, what about that balloon driver? is that something i will probably use? [16:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Reset by Beer [16:09] just do modules out of all that virtualization stuff so i can load it if needed [16:10] no idea on balloon. I would make modules out of them [16:10] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:11] Pig_Pen, http://www.usenix.org/event/osdi02/tech/waldspurger/waldspurger_html/node6.html [16:12] dartmouth (~dartmouth@pool-72-95-111-152.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:12] http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=33925 this is my CPU, it does not have Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) will that make a difference? [16:12] yes [16:12] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:12] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Wiren (Wiren@mar44-3-82-235-66-69.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [16:13] oh wait; not really. [16:13] er yes [16:13] sorry [16:13] speed [16:13] kinda [16:13] yeah, i read the help section in menuconfig about ballooning, it seems like it would be useful [16:13] Action: dartmouth prefers jelquing to ballooning [16:14] that could be why virtualbox ran like a dog on my PC, i might ought to stick with wine and be happy [16:15] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [16:15] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:15] Pig_Pen, I've had no problem with vbox and I'm also on non virt cpu [16:15] lol you guys banned a username? [16:15] Pig_Pen, but I haven't updated it lately [16:16] you need vtx extentions to run kvm [16:16] NaCl: btw, I did some cleaning in my files on yesterday and stumbled on files to mount fixed-sized .vdi files with 'mount -o offset=...' ;-) [16:16] nachox, right that's what I thought [16:16] http://kvm.et.redhat.com/page/Processor_support [16:17] hey id like to combine a couple of partitions, sda1 and sda3, and make sda3 into a new sda2 without losing data. (sda3 is changed to sda2 after merging the old sda2 and sda1 to make a new sda1) [16:17] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:18] nachox, going to have to think of a way of keeping kqemu script for legacy cpus [16:18] lol ok maybe that was a little confusing [16:18] and old qemu versions [16:18] or just install vmware [16:19] dartmouth, i reread that 3 times and i still cant understand what you need [16:19] is vmware server free nowdays? [16:19] used to be paid for iifc [16:19] iirc* [16:19] I have 3 partitions. 1,2, and 3. I want to merge (1 + 2) to create an sda1. I want to take sda3 and have it be called sda2 without dataloss. The data on sda3 is important; I will be wiping sda1 and sda2 before the merger. [16:19] it is free [16:20] dartmouth, backup sda3 and use gparted [16:20] so. partitions in: sda1 (old root), sda2 (old root), sda3 (archive); paritions out: sda1 (new root), sda2 (old sda3). [16:20] or I guess you could use (c)fdisk [16:21] i dont have anywhere external to backup to [16:21] sda3 is about 300GB [16:22] dartmouth, then get a way to make a backup first, you do not want to mess with partitions like that without a backup [16:22] damnit I'll go get the whole dvd.. downloading it would take the same time than downloading each package sepearetly for a minimal installation.. so be it ;) cu@all [16:22] Graf_Ithaka (~georg@unixboard/users/graf) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:22] dive: it's paid for; and there is NOT a ton of cracked versions on a website that is not called thepiratebay. [16:22] well if you combine 1 and 2 into 1, then hopefully the system will recognise sda3 as sda2 on boot (I think) [16:22] dive: no it doesn't work like that [16:22] "make a backup first"? [16:23] nachox: i dont really have an option [16:24] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:24] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [16:24] dartmouth, are you sure about that? Since the kernel will just read partitions and number them in order [16:25] dunno, a while since I've had to do that [16:25] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: [16:26] and even if it doesn't, you will still will have achieved your 1+2 into 1 [16:26] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [16:27] hello everyone [16:27] hi godling [16:27] how's life in the fast lane? [16:27] slow ;-) [16:28] tiring ;-) [16:28] (actually it's only because it's getting late ;-) ) [16:29] Happy St Valentines Day Massacre [16:30] that's weird [16:30] It appears I am still connected but irssi reports that my connection has been lost. [16:31] strange [16:31] seriously [16:31] I wonder if it's got to do with ssl in irssi [16:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.108.155) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:31] I've not had that with ssl [16:32] which port? [16:32] haha, I bet I know what's going on. [16:33] I tried to connect to the non-encrypted port using ssl first [16:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.21.105) joined ##slackware. [16:33] I bet irssi is still trying to connect even though I'm already connected [16:33] what a silly bug :) [16:33] yeah you need to rmrecon [16:33] or whatever the command is [16:33] /rmreconns [16:33] yep got it [16:33] thanks [16:34] oh I guess I see why just checking for another connection might not work so great [16:35] hrm, anyways I can think about that later [16:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [16:37] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:37] slackaholic (1000@187-24-214-179.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:38] apparently there are some things that have been taken out of login.def [16:38] fau_ (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:38] it's been awhile since I've upgraded anything and now I need to twiddle with alsa, virtualbox, and this. [16:38] wee. :) [16:40] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427671.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:40] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [16:40] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427671.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:40] HaMpA (~kompaesf@88.86.50.38) joined ##slackware. [16:40] hej [16:41] I badly need help [16:41] hi [16:41] Please state the nature of your emergency. [16:41] :) [16:41] dive: yes, im sure; im looking at a drive that does that right now. it reads the partition table; if you delete a partition, the others keep their names. [16:42] hmm... let me explaine from the begginning... Im running Slack13 64bit... then I installed alots of libs/ and compiled them to make my computer work with x86 files_ [16:43] dartmouth, strange. I still say the solution is backup what you can and then either boot with slack disk and cfdisk/fdisk. Or even use gparted cd if you have one. [16:43] afterwards I even compiled Enlightenment E17 and it worked ok. BUT when I did reboot Im no longer able to login [16:43] hey guys just installed qemu, i run it but when it boots from cd-rom it says "could not read from cdrom (code 0003)" "no bootable device" (its winxp sp3 btw) [16:43] any ideas? [16:43] dive: i was thinking gparted as well but i am not sure how data migration works with it. ill dig around. [16:43] HaMpA: Could you clarify "no longer able to login"? [16:43] mel0n, what is the full command line you are using? [16:43] just qemu :S [16:44] ill man it :D [16:44] mel0n: have you read the... [16:44] ah. good guy. [16:44] All i see is (none) Login: / I say root , next line the password shows then typing and nothing more happens [16:44] mel0n, read the docs - you will need to specify cdrom device, which device to boot from etc [16:44] k thanks guys :D [16:44] mel0n, there's a very good guide on their website [16:45] k ill look into it now [16:45] i read Dgrep And I found something there about /etc/rc.d/rc.S // rc.M couldnt load [16:46] Loaded SlackLive CD, mounted drivers.... now im in the rc.S script looking for errors... what am I suppost to do from here? [16:47] HaMpA, have you read /var/log/dmesg? [16:47] i would look in /var/log/dmesg & messages for error HaMpA [16:47] but with the rc.S and rc.M files? [16:48] building libs and third party packages should not change or even touch rc.S & rc.M [16:48] unless you changed those files then there probably isn't an issue with them [16:48] what Pig_Pen said [16:48] sorry guys i said Dgrep instead of dmesg :( [16:49] ive checked that and there was were I found the rc.M n rc.S files didnt load [16:49] if you want 32 bit compatability on a slack64 system you need alienBOB's packages and read the info about it, somebody in here has the link [16:50] anyone know how i can check what my cdrom drive is called? [16:50] dmesg mel0n [16:50] mel0n, I would guess it's /dev/sr0 [16:51] er yah dmesg would say [16:51] k thanks [16:51] Pig_Pen, Ive used Aliens guide! [16:51] what can I do [16:51] :S [16:51] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] reinstall [16:52] mel0n, depending on age of hardware and kernel it would be maybe /dev/hdc or /dev/sr0 [16:52] take a deep breath :P [16:52] yeh [16:52] and [16:52] step through alienBOB's guide and see if you made any mistakes or missed something, also it could be something you built overwrote a file from a stock package [16:52] retrace your steps [16:53] that's what I would do [16:54] I removed the packages that was created in /tmp/ just before it started to go bad [16:54] would it be "/dev/hda" cus dmesg left this "ide-cd: hda: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM DVD-R/RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache" [16:54] when i did compat-32 .. [16:54] that shouldnt really matter? [16:55] mel0n, what are your hdd devs? [16:56] (look in /etc/fstab if you can't see in dmesg? [16:56] ) [16:56] ok 1sec [16:56] HaMpA: Is the (none) login: prompt the only indicator? [16:56] yes [16:56] http://pastebin.com/m28ee94c8 [16:57] HaMpA: does it say "Unable to determine your tty name"? [16:57] Camarade_Tux: awesome. I reported the build issue and it was marked as invalid (builds fine on kubuntu) [16:57] slackie (~x@87.196.58.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:57] nope it says tty1 or something [16:57] mel0n, then yes, that suggests the cdrom is /dev/hda [16:57] k [16:57] or something? [16:57] :P [16:58] so "qemu /dev/hda" should be ok? 0.o [16:58] no [16:58] mel0n, did you read about using qemu-img to create a hdd image, and the -cdrom and -boot siwtches? [16:59] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:59] ...i scanned through it [16:59] well read it ;-) [16:59] pprkut: want a shotgun, a uzi, a machinegun, a rpg and a bunch of grenades? =) [16:59] k [17:00] a General Electric minigun :D [17:00] ? [17:00] Camarade_Tux: working on it :) [17:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-XgOh1AxbU a GE minigun [17:01] pprkut: I'll try to see if I can ask someone with a devel environment for qt on windows to compile it [17:01] actually, mac os x should do it too [17:02] godling, no it doesnt say or something :P [17:02] no special about it, its ok [17:02] wtf. why add "scanner" to the list of default groups in login.defs? [17:02] what can i configure [17:02] Camarade_Tux, to what are you refering to? [17:03] dive: amarok [17:03] I have winxp just sitting there recarging a stupid pen thing via usb [17:03] dive: fails with a typical g++/c++ error message [17:03] you want amarok compiled on win?? [17:04] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:04] oh well I've always had problems with amarok... [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-175.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] now it looks like it should work but it plays one track only [17:04] dive: we believe the compile issue lies in amarok's source while amarok devs say it's slackware's fault [17:05] do you need a kde dev environment to compile it? [17:05] Wiren (Wiren@78.251.141.230) joined ##slackware. [17:05] yeah ;-) [17:06] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:06] then I probably will leave it to others [17:06] not going down that route again [17:07] the kde route? [17:07] ABANDON ALL HOPE etc etc [17:07] ;P [17:07] godling, kde is fine but compiling certain kde apps require to set up a kde development environment [17:08] dive: you never tried to build gnome libs, right? ;-) [17:08] Ah, I misread what you first typed [17:08] yeah, f that [17:08] and gnome [17:08] ever try to compile firefox? [17:08] eeeek [17:08] koolniczka (~nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:09] did that too, not going to try again :-) [17:09] mel0n, you also need to make a hard drive image and tell qemu it [17:09] ok, the new login.defs meets my approval after a few edits [17:09] ok thought so just got an error saying not harddrive detected [17:09] Camarade_Tux: building gnome libs is a crazy mess of tangled spaghetti. [17:09] Action: mel0n runs off to qemu documentation [17:10] mel0n, what are you going to install? [17:10] winxp sp3 [17:10] eviljames: the spaghetti would probably tell you they're less messy than gnome ;-) [17:10] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:10] harddrive size needed? [17:10] FSM =) [17:10] im gona make it 10gig [17:11] well, mel0n it will be like qemu-img create somename.img 10GB [17:11] yeh "qemu-img create name.img 10485760" [17:12] then in your qemu line - qemu -hda name.img - plus your cdrom stuff of course [17:12] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:12] mel0n, 10GB works as well [17:12] oh thanks for the tip :D [17:13] 10G works too and it's 25% shorter to type ;-) [17:13] lol [17:13] holy fuck qemu is fast :0 [17:13] Camarade_Tux, yes I have tried building Gnome libs too - the whole thing needs dedication [17:13] yarvin (~yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:14] Camarade_Tux: hah, now they try to blame it on time issues (creation time of file is in the future...) [17:14] pprkut, untar and touch? [17:14] pprkut, trying the new beta, or? [17:14] I'm seriously beginning to think they don't like us [17:14] yeah, and a "find . -type f -exec touch" or so :> [17:14] add a* [17:15] dive: I reset the clock and retarred, fixed the time issue, still wouldn't compile [17:15] pprkut: LMAO =) [17:15] thrice`: git, I'm not messing with the beta for now [17:15] I read that as "I reset the clock and retarded..." [17:15] mel0n? [17:15] I want to get *something* to build [17:15] bbiab [17:15] eviljames: lol [17:15] yes HaMpA? [17:15] of course you did eviljames [17:16] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [17:16] do you know a good site for my problem? [17:16] whats your problem? [17:16] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:17] alienBOB: did you have success or can you try building amarok on top of kde 4.4 please. I tried to reason with the amarok devs but the keep telling me it is Slackware's fault [17:18] HaMpA, I don't know anything about 64bit stuff and x86 compatability but I do think you need retrace your steps on alienBOB's guide for installing the libs and if all else fails maybe he could help more [17:19] pprkut: I never touch amarok, I think the program stinks and is an abomination [17:20] What does not work with amarok this time? [17:20] vehn_z (~vehn_z@62.133.181.168) joined ##slackware. [17:21] alienBOB: http://pastebin.ca/1796670 [17:22] pprkut, is there above that an include line and file not found or similar? [17:22] I really like amarok, but the attitude of its devs gives me the creeps [17:22] i like a man that is not afraid to speak his mind about crappy software :D [17:23] we should start a rumor that amarok has riaa spyware in it [17:23] we could do with an alternative to it to be honest [17:23] dive: no, but a shitload of warnings [17:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:23] whaaat? did you say amarok has riaa spyware in it? [17:23] pprkut: btw, http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36486 [17:24] pprkut: amarok has worked for my icecast stream _once_ in all the versions I tried. And other than that, it has the worst UI design I have ever seen [17:24] "It's still warning free on 4.3.1", so it might be worth a try [17:24] mplayer, vlc, xine - there is three, what more do you want [17:24] and ffmpeg/ffmplay [17:25] pprkut: also, if you want, I can setup a virtual machine for you to try anything you want... in 3 days [17:25] ffplay [17:25] vehn_z (~vehn_z@62.133.181.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:25] Camarade_Tux: I'm a c++ noob, I don't understand shit what's written there :P [17:26] pprkut: I was mostly thinking about gcc-4.3 ;-) [17:27] alienBOB: I have to agree there, but I still like the general workflow. It fits mine. Tastes differ :) [17:27] pprkut: I know C++ but I prefer not to dig into it :-) [17:27] hahaha [17:28] thrice`: how does jerboa-ng? ;) [17:28] at least compiles, just segfaults when its called :) [17:28] ah cool, so it actually more feature complete than amarok :D [17:28] :p [17:30] maybe if amarok is removed from Slackware they wake up.... [17:31] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:31] ok, I'm off, bbl [17:31] it would be good if there was an alternative that works as a library [17:32] first time I used amarok it would list every album twice [17:32] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] now it plays one track, second track plays with no sound [17:32] checked sound system and all seems good [17:33] get notifications etc [17:33] other progs play fine... [17:33] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:33] I'm with alienBOB, I hate the new UI [17:33] it is a little strange [17:33] the whole build-a-webbrowser-into-everything concept is retarded [17:33] You can only resize a linux partition by extending it right? I can change where it starts only where it ends? [17:34] thrice`, agreed [17:34] (without data lose of course) [17:34] Wescotte: You can resize from the front back or move the partition and you can stretch from the rear back too. [17:34] amarok was nifty but it always seemed *way* too bloated for my purposes [17:35] nifty? [17:35] for what it does ( or doesn;t do ) yeah I would agree with the bloated [17:35] antiwire: can I do it with fdisk? or do I need something like gparted? (to move the front back making more room and not losing data) [17:35] i have sonata on my smartq 5 mid [17:35] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] what do gnomers use? [17:36] rythmbox i think [17:36] totum [17:36] totem too [17:36] Wescotte: parted or gparted. [17:36] totem sucks... [17:36] hi edman i'm rek [17:36] gnomers arent limited to gnome apps [17:37] thjanks god [17:37] rek, and i'm edman007 [17:37] really [17:37] ardya, shuf+xargs+mplayer [17:37] overkill. [17:37] mpd ftw. [17:37] i got some 2n2222a or something edman007 [17:37] ardya, shuf -e -z * | xargs -0 mplayer -fs -- [17:37] plays everything [17:37] antiwire: thanks [17:38] green omions [17:38] rek, good :)\ [17:38] green onions [17:38] u know them? [17:38] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-119.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] Pig_Pen, they should be yellow.... [17:38] who east green onions> [17:38] ? [17:38] its a song by Booker T and the MGs [17:39] Pig_Pen, old skool ;-) [17:39] ardya are you graz? [17:39] yeah, a pirate station is playing right now, i got almost 20db signal on em, with awesome audio [17:39] nice [17:39] edman007: why would I want an 8MB footprint vs. a 368KB footprint [17:40] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:40] 6925 upperside [17:41] well I will persevere with audacious [17:41] ardya, both are negligible [17:42] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:43] 8 is a smaller number than 368 [17:44] fits better in the top columns [17:44] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:44] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [17:46] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:46] automatically tabs [17:46] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] slackie (~x@87.196.58.47) joined ##slackware. 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[17:49] I accidentally rm'ed login.defs :P [17:49] while true; do echo -n "love it "; done [17:49] ahahahaha 8-P [17:49] ouch [17:49] yeah I reinstalled shadow though, no biggie [17:49] well zcat MANIFEST.bz2 from the CD and find where the file came from then reinstall that package (or extract and copy) [17:49] but if I didn't catch that... eep [17:50] pull out USB bootable stick etc 8-) [17:50] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.221) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:50] I was renaming from login.defs.new to login.defs but I accidentally hit tab so I renamed login.defs.new to login.defs.new then rm'ed login.defs.new :P [17:50] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [17:50] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [17:50] because I am *awesome* [17:51] i like the $170 refurbished netbooks though, to be honest. it's tempting to buy a bunch like one for each room [17:51] i once considered a cluster of eee's (i.e. buy five or however many i can fit in a backpack) but i don't know how to do clustering yet so it would be sort of retarded. [17:51] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [17:51] go someplace and have to pull out 5 netbooks and connect them to a portable switch etc [17:51] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68-113-105-67.static.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Delahunt: seen the shivaplug? [17:52] cluster those badboys [17:52] What's the point though? [17:52] yeah it's tempting but the sheeva needs peripherals [17:52] That not even worth the hassle [17:52] antiwire: what's the point of Hillary climbing Everest? [17:52] you would be better off just buying one or two full size laptops or superior quality [17:52] spend the money and time on configuring a bunch of netbooks for clustering or buy one core 2duo.... [17:53] i like how with netbooks and laptops have their own mouse and keyboard (although i can't stand the eee's tiny keyboard, i can make it work for me. i'm using my eee right now) [17:53] so you're saying my 286 cluster is a joke? :P [17:53] yeah [17:53] i already have a core 2 duo so this is my portable one [17:53] HOW DARE YOU [17:53] lol [17:53] but people at airline checkpoints hate me [17:53] (I don't really have a 286 cluster) [17:53] This is just like people clustering a bunch of P3s for SETI when a couple of c2ds are going to use less power and be more powerful [17:54] you could not get me near an airport at gunpoint [17:54] it's a waste of space at the very least. [17:54] i'm travelling with my old toshiba pentium-m dothan, sony vaio core 2 duo, and asus eee pc netbook so every time i have to put each into its own plastic bin for the scanner, then another bin for what's in my pockets and shoes, another for my jacket, another for my backpack [17:54] easily as much as two people in terms of how many bins i use [17:54] i get weird looks lol [17:54] So fedex some of the crap instead. [17:54] antiwire: I think people in that situation are looking to use old hardware though [17:55] and ironically all 3 laptops are alienbob's "fully encrypted hard drive" setup (i.e. LUKS+LVM) [17:55] antiwire: so it's not just about what would be more efficient [17:55] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:55] just spend 800 to 1200 bucks on one top notch laptop and forget all those little netbooks [17:56] antiwire, the core 2 duo is my main laptop, the eee is only for convenience and to save wear and tear on it (i.e. band practice, etc) and the toshiba is only around because it amazingly still works although half the screws have fallen out of it [17:56] if i went on a military deployment i'd be taking the core2 and my eee [17:56] I love my c2d [17:56] or just the eee [17:57] it is awesome, like me [17:57] i can see maybe one eee netbook to drag around school and such but not one for every room in the house [17:57] with the 16gb ssd hard drive that's coming and 16gb sdhc card it could almost be my main laptop if not for the size of the keyboard [17:57] Action: Delahunt gets cramps [17:57] Pig_Pen, that was mainly a joke 8-) [18:34] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [18:34] slackboy joined ##slackware. [18:34] asarch: again, have you ever opened it up and cleaned the heat sink and fan assembly? have you check the thermal compound? [18:34] asarch, sounds like if you were using slackware at one time you didn't configure CPUFreq properly [18:34] wait .. slackboy wears a thong? [18:35] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [18:35] i am trying to get my microphone working under my laptop dell latitude e6500. sound output is ok both from builtin speakers and headphones (i hear what expected when i do $speaker-test -Dplug:front -c2 -l5 -twav). however, i cannot record anything, either with the builtin micro or an external one. my alsamixer configuration is here: http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7104/201002151266189947.png and the codec driver for this snd-hda-intel mo [18:35] del is ok - it is indeed the IDT 92HD71B7X. any help/suggestions will be greatly appreciated :) [18:35] unixfool (~ron@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [18:35] That's the point of my beg: I would like to use Slackware instead Sabayon 4.2 [18:35] teckan, um did you set the recording device? does it work with Skype? etc [18:35] The problem: it does overheat [18:35] Still no answer on the physical side... [18:35] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:36] asarch: and have you checked the hardware, and cleaned the inside of your laptop? [18:36] asarch, then use slackware. check out http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/linux/toshiba/toshiba.html and linux/asus/asus.html and linux/sony/sony.html [18:36] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:36] No, never before BP{k} [18:36] imagine that [18:36] all of them i think still include how to use CPUFreq manually (the toshiba one should) [18:36] Delahunt, i cannot use skype because there is no 64bit version and i do not want all the 32libs necessary to run it. but sound output works in ekiga, if that's what your're asking [18:36] asarch: And do you think that might be .. hmm remotely useful perhaps? [18:36] I must be on ignore [18:36] lalalalala [18:36] (and in youtube, and in mpd, and everywhere) [18:37] If I set the "userspace" on Slackware it does overheat [18:37] why hasn't antiwire said anything? [18:37] Action: BP{k} sighs [18:37] teckan, hmm you know how to use alsamixer right? i.e. press F5 to show what's the main sound in device, and i think space bar to set what the main sound device is etc [18:37] What else do I need to keep cooled the laptop? [18:37] asarch: you don't deserve the latop. [18:37] yeah good idea asarch. keep trouble shooting the software while you haven't even check the fan assembly. [18:37] asarch make sure the vents aren't blocked [18:37] asarch, to configure it to use the ondemand governor at a minimum? [18:38] Action: Delahunt sighs [18:38] unixfool: I've been saying that the whole time. [18:38] keep it off of blankets and such [18:38] unixfool: [howdy] and we have been recommending that for the last 10 minutes [18:38] or pillows [18:38] Isn't ondemand the default governor? [18:38] antiwire, yeah it seems rather many of us are saying things that people aren't listening to [18:38] or maybe your lap fat is blocking it? [18:38] :) [18:38] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:38] if i had a 64 bit PC or laptop and i did not want to tinker around with it getting this & that working i would just put debian squeeze/testing on it [18:38] asarch, no, on slackware 13 sadly it is not. userspace is. i've brought this to patrick's attention, don't know if he has done anything about it in -current [18:38] asarch, granted making it the default is VERY EASY [18:39] The point is, why with Sabayon 4.2 the laptop doesn't overheat and why with Slackware 13.0 it does [18:39] ? [18:39] i'm talking kernel config though. in xfce and kde you can make it the default with a few mouse clicks [18:39] as far as i know, Delahunt, the spacebar just enables me to change the left and right parts of a specific channel. and i do not know what f5 does. in fact, it seems to do nothing here. [18:39] i think top can tell you why [18:39] asarch sabayon isn't slackware [18:39] is Pat going to make slack64 32 bit compatible out of the box in the future sometime? [18:39] that's why [18:39] asarch, again the probllem is i think you need to clean your laptop and also take a minute to configure CPUFreq [18:39] probably configured differently [18:39] Pig_Pen, God I hope not [18:39] Bingo! [18:39] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:40] Pig_Pen: define "compatible" [18:40] teckan, should toggle showing the recording stuff on/off. hold on [18:40] What do I need from Sabayon to use in Slackware to have the functionality? [18:40] Delahunt, maybe you're talking about tab key? [18:40] asarch, do you use xfce or kde? [18:40] run top, as Skywise said [18:40] teckan, yeah maybe [18:40] not having to install this & that afterwards to get 32 bit compatibility after a clean slack64 install, (include it with the slack64 install) [18:41] I like a lot GNOME [18:41] Pig_Pen: in that case .. very highly doubfull. [read: no.] [18:41] asarch, GNOME should have some sort of CPUFreq-like configuration thing just like xfce and kkde [18:41] er kde [18:41] reboot [18:41] oops heh [18:41] However, as a friend of mine use to say: "Installing GNOME in Slackware is insulting Patrick" so I won't use GNOME anymore [18:41] I will use XFCE 4 instead [18:41] dartmouth (~dartmouth@pool-72-95-111-152.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:41] It doesn't work at all Delahunt [18:41] you can use gnome all you want, the gware project comes to mind as a way to make it work on slackware [18:42] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [18:42] I already tryied [18:42] gnome does, i have debian/gnome/testing and it has cpu scaling [18:42] asarch, ok well part of it is making sure the modules for the various governors are loaded (edit /etc/rc.d/rc.modules or put commands in /etc/rc.d/rc.local) [18:42] nobuddy (pthreat@201-213-119-136.net.prima.net.ar) left ##slackware. [18:42] Here is the lsmod from Sabayon: http://slackware.pastebin.com/m3b80cbd6 [18:42] Delahunt, well, i chose that view in order to include everything in the printscreen. it does change nothing, actually, just the way you're seeing things (you can decide to either see "capture" channels, "playback" channels or "all"; i selected "all" for that printscreen) [18:42] imo, if one can get gnome to work flawlessly, gware should be just as easy, if not easier [18:42] in rc.modules you can uncomment the lines and those governors will start loading [18:42] teckan, HD Intel? [18:43] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.175) joined ##slackware. [18:43] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:43] yeah gware is good, used it in the past, it worked well [18:43] snd-hda-intel [18:43] gware? Wasn't GNOME SlackBuild the "official" way to get GNOME in Slackware? [18:44] There is no official way. [18:44] I see [18:44] It's not part of Slackware in the first place. How can it be official? [18:44] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:44] teckan, ah yes, i have that too. it sometimes has codec problems. have you considered a kernel update or recompile? there's like dynamic-auto-configure in the newer kernel drivers for it now i think (and you could specify default time-out 1 second which should save you some battery when unplugged) [18:44] hahah [18:44] true data [18:44] dat [18:44] asarch, does 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' help at all? [18:45] No, it doesn't [18:45] GWare was the default way because it was the least intrusive method (i.e. more like "the slackware way") [18:45] asarch, lsmod | grep cpu [18:45] asarch, what governors are loaded? (cpufreq-ondemand etc) [18:45] (dell latitude e6500, $head -n 1 /proc/asound/card0/codec* returns Codec: IDT 92HD71B7X) [18:46] teckan, hmm i'm at the end of what i know for audio troubleshooting [18:46] In Sabayon "Conservative", "OnDeman", "UserSpace" and "Powersave" are loaded [18:46] Delahunt, i think i have the last updates for slackware 13 installed. are you suggesting for me to move to current? [18:46] other than the sledgehammer method lol [18:46] In Slackware only one: "Ondemand" [18:46] teckan, no, just kernel, you can compile one on 13 [18:46] asarch, if cpufreq-ondemand is loaded then what he said above should work [18:47] Delahunt, and what to change? i really do not need battery life, as the laptop is almost always on AC power. [18:47] teckan, http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahuntconfig-slap-2.6.32.8 (or slap64 if this is slackware64) this config should work well on most laptops [18:47] teckan, there is an option for dynamic codec reconfigure or something in there, hold on [18:48] asarch, just out of curiosity what sort of temp is it getting? [18:49] Where do you load governors in Slackware? [18:49] What do you mean dive? [18:49] CONFIG_SND_HDA_RECONFIG [18:49] which ironically on my configurations is NOT set, my apology, i need to update my kernel configurations tonight [18:49] asarch, you load governors the way I posted earlier [18:49] asarch, does 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' help at all? [18:49] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.209.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:49] i'd compare the kernel config files between the two distros...might help to determine why one appears to be working harder than the other [18:50] unixfool, might be a number of things, dynamic ticks, etc [18:50] asarch, what temperature is slack getting to? [18:50] although i doubt it would be dynamic ticks [18:50] is there a way updato one package from cli [18:50] latemus, slackpkg [18:50] latemus, yes upgradepkg /tmp/foo-1.0.0-i486-1.txz [18:50] latemus: upgradepkg. [18:50] ot that [18:50] or [18:50] you might want to hit up the slackbook [18:51] chapter 18 deals with package management. [18:51] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html [18:51] thank you. why /ymp? [18:51] s/ymp/tmp [18:51] Action: Delahunt has the link on an xchat userlist button 8-) [18:51] lol [18:51] latemus, just an example of what the command may look like [18:51] that's a good one [18:51] upgradepkg WhEREVERTHEFILEIS [18:51] ok. so use path/o/pkg [18:52] upgradepkg {insert file name here} [18:52] latemus: 1) it's the default locations where build packages goes 2) think for yourself and and substitute it with /path/to/ [18:52] The Moon will be Waxing Gibbous (99.999% of Full). (##slackware default Moon setting) [18:52] yeah /path/to/package etc [18:52] thanks [18:52] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.98.246) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Action: Delahunt can't wait to get a larger onboard hard drive for this baby [18:53] does upgrade pkg update everything in /usr/doc and /usr/man [18:53] latemus, everything that needs to be updated [18:53] right. [18:53] you said one package. if you want more than one package there's slackpkg i believe [18:53] personally i just rsync with slackware-13.0/patches/packages [18:54] i am talking about one pkg [18:54] but there's no right or wrong way [18:54] colmcille (~colmcille@94.30.27.232) joined ##slackware. [18:54] I didn't write the temp last time I used Slackware [18:54] yeah one package is upgradepkg (most elegant CLI command) [18:54] asarch, going by the seat of your pants? 8-) [18:54] nice. thank you all [18:54] latemus: well lets get a bit more information from y you. *what* package are you trying to upgrade and where did you get it from? [18:54] asarch, you could run sensors plugin in xfce to watch the temp if you wanted [18:54] I only have the procedure to change the governor: ed /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [18:55] /SCALING_GOVERNOR/s/ondemand/userspace/p [18:55] wq [18:55] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-78-80.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:55] the rc.modules won't take effect unti you reboot (but at least that makes sure it gets loaded) [18:55] reboot isn't necessary [18:56] asarch, I ask again, what temperature does it get to? [18:56] Delahunt: you rsync / with it? [18:56] My temp monitor: while ( true ); do clear; date; echo; cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ0*/temperature; sleep 1; done [18:56] ejm (~John@75-174-110-74.bois.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:57] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-211-85.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:57] latemus, no, rsync in ~/patches [18:57] ahh [18:57] rsync -av --del --force --exclude kdei --exclude '*.asc' --exclude '*.txt' \ [18:57] I know you will get angry dive but I don't have that info right now. Currently I am using Sabayon. I cannot ask Slackware the system temp [18:57] Razec (1000@187-27-231-144.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:57] I need to reinstall Slackware [18:58] we might lose the bot tonight...disk io on the server seems to be peaking (no fault of mine) [18:58] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: [BX] Tabardation - the inability to master use of the key. See: retardation; Headcase. [18:58] Delahunt, i really don't see how that can help =\ [18:58] well if all OS's are running hot I would get the screwdrivers out and clean up the insides - clean fans, put new heatsink compound on cpu etc [18:58] unixfool: eeek :-/ [18:59] i just migrated the linode...disk io has been high ever since [18:59] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] No, that's my problem dive. Not all OS's get hot. Only Sabayon doesn't [18:59] unixfool: fire|bird will let you borrow agentAnderson [18:59] I need to know why Sabayon doesn't and why Slackware does [19:00] To use Slackware instead Sabayon [19:00] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [19:00] asarch, then you need to look at what userspace daemon it is using perhaps (and anyway it's still a good idea to clean up the insides) [19:00] teckan, just an idea. like i said, i'm no sound expert [19:00] unixfool: have you asked the ops in #linode or oftc/#linode? [19:00] asarch dude, they are two different distros. one may be based off the other but beyond that, they're different [19:01] I know unixfool, that's why I choose Slackware. Slackware is a very configurable distro [19:01] compare the two kernels and look at top to see what's maxing out the system [19:01] I would like to configure it as same as Sabayon to work with it :-( [19:02] hmm.. upgradepkg said incoming package not found (commandline) [19:02] that should be easier for you to do than us, since you've both installed (or is that not the case?) [19:02] Delahunt, thnks :( [19:02] ups [19:02] * :) [19:02] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:02] (still getting used to the new keyboard layout) [19:02] I need to "steal" Sabayon configuration [19:03] BP{k} i'm still doing my homework and trying to ensure that there's a real issue before escalating this to support [19:03] asarch: which CPU is in that box? [19:03] What woud you need to compare both distros? [19:04] unixfool: gotcha. :) [19:04] asarch, kernel modules and settings, and userspace tools running [19:04] yep [19:04] macavity, this one: http://slackware.pastebin.com/m4cbd3cf4 [19:04] i'm betting that there are different services running between the both of them [19:05] Ok. Kernel modules: http://slackware.pastebin.com/m3b80cbd6 [19:05] Settings... how? [19:05] asarch: is acpi_cpufreq loaded? [19:05] No, it isn't [19:06] I can't see any cpu* [19:06] then you know why the govenors doesnt work [19:06] yeah but that's the good system? [19:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:07] Yes, it is. It's Sabayon currently running on the laptop [19:07] what is sabayon or that you're all talking about? [19:07] asarch, it is very difficult to debug slackware when you are running sayayon [19:07] er whatever [19:07] yep [19:07] I see [19:07] to troubleshoot slack, run slack [19:07] Ok. Please let me install Slackware and I'll be back [19:07] you're treating them like they've similarities [19:08] Thank you very much for your patient [19:08] Thank you [19:08] I owe to all of you a couple of beers [19:08] Action: asarch is inserting the DVD... [19:08] asarch: you are installing 13.0 and not -current, right? [19:08] I'll have mine now because I've run out [19:08] teckan: gentoo-based Italian distro http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ [19:09] Yes, I am macavity [19:09] good [19:09] BBL! [19:09] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.46) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [19:09] lee555J5, argh [19:09] ok, T2400 needs acpi-cpufreq for the govenors to work [19:10] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:11] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:11] macavity: think it's always the case [19:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:12] wonder why they don't load [19:12] should be default [19:12] colmcille (~colmcille@94.30.27.232) left irc: Quit: NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o [19:13] Camarade_Tux: nope.. that is rather model dependant [19:14] hmmm, slackware could use a higher compression level in makepkg [19:14] io slowing going down [19:14] will take more memory to extract but will also take less time to extract [19:15] but using xz -9 for kde/, x/, xap/, d/, ... would probably be a good idea [19:15] i think i read someting about it in the changelog when we switched [19:15] macavity: actually I think all recent CPUs need that [19:16] Camarade_Tux: *recent* being Core2 and upwards.. i am not even sure about Atom.. *iirc* it uses P4 states [19:16] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:16] Camarade_Tux: and i have no clue what so ever about AMD camp [19:16] macavity: core2 is already quite old, it's actually years-old [19:16] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:17] sure.. but they are still pushing Pentum M machines, and they use P4 states too [19:18] pushing? [19:18] in the magazines [19:19] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [19:19] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:19] i still see Pentium M and Core Solo (yuck and doubly yuck) laptops sold in the discount crapware chains [19:20] Am I supposed to have a /boot/ cat on "/"? [19:20] HaMpA: you can have it on a seperate partition (say, if you have multiple distroes installed and you want to share it) [19:21] HaMpA: but i think most people just leave it on / [19:21] okey... I thought I used to have it there--- but now its gone [19:21] macavity: I found one reference to a package which has been mistakenly compressed with -9 [19:22] HaMpA: huh? [19:22] Camarade_Tux: bah. you just beat me to it. :) [19:22] can I copy the boot cat from usr/src/linux? [19:22] BP{k}: 8-) [19:22] i dont know what "the boot cat" is [19:22] you mean the bzImage and the config files? [19:23] (expect, gv, pidgin, xpdf) [19:23] no thats probably a bad thing [19:23] what do you mean when you say "the boot cat"? [19:24] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] I meant /boot/ directory [19:24] ah [19:24] ok, no [19:24] you cant copy that fro /usr/src/linux [19:24] *from [19:24] why is it gone? [19:24] good question [19:25] paf, au lit, good night everybody =) [19:26] nn tux [19:26] and stick the french gibberish up where the sun dont shine! ;-) [19:26] knowing Camarade_Tux he might actually enjoy that. ;) [19:27] right.. that does pose a problem :P [19:28] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] macavity: you mean... in *yours*? ;-) [19:29] hmm [19:29] where does make install define where it will install a file [19:29] the Makefile and the configure script determine that [19:30] macavity: Do I have to make reinstall or ? [19:31] HaMpA: personally i could reconstruct it by hand.. but if you are not entirely sure about what you are doing... [19:32] how do I make my self clear of whats missing then? [19:32] HaMpA: hmm.. are you running the stock slackware kernel? [19:33] yes, 2.6.29.6 [19:34] reinstall the kernel-huge-smp-2.6.29.6 and lilo packages then [19:34] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:35] oh, in reverse order [19:35] lilo first [19:35] thats the problem i think [19:36] I cant make menuconfig from /usr/src/'kernl [19:36] im running from the slackdisc [19:36] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:36] i didnt ask you to.. i asked you to reinstall the packages [19:37] from setup or manually? [19:37] but if you are on the disk, just mount your / and call ROOT=/where/you/mounted/it upgradepkg --reinstall /path/to/package.txz [19:38] after both packages are reinstalled you chroot to /where/you/mounted/it and run lilo [19:38] pipes (~pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) joined ##slackware. [19:38] if lilo bitches about VGA and stuff you need to mount /proc [19:39] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:40] cool [19:40] Camarade_Tux: I'm onto something :o [19:40] mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ | ROOT=/mnt/ | [19:41] exactly.. [19:42] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CBA24.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:42] HaMpA: i need to crash now.. its almost 2 in the night and i have class tomorow [19:42] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:42] okey =) [19:42] i hope the others will help you if you get stuck [19:42] Thank you !!!!! [19:42] Good night! =) [19:42] its a fairly straight forward procedure (if you know what you are doing ;-) [19:43] your wellcome [19:43] macavity (~macavity@212088073002.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Quit: ZzZzZz [19:44] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:44] pipes (pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) left ##slackware. [19:44] wow, if i felt like wading through 19000 lines of code, i just might look for where to set the install dir in configure script. anyone know how to make it work in its default settings? [19:45] Camarade_Tux: found it \o/ [19:45] latemus: what app? [19:45] ./configure [19:45] which app are you compiling, of course [19:45] ahh [19:45] lidsigc++ [19:46] libsigc++ that is [19:46] Any reason why you don't use the slackbuild for it? [19:46] usu when i build a library in /usr/local, it immediately shows up in /usr/local/lib [19:46] even so, that supports DESTDIR just fine :. [19:47] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [19:47] yes - because i want to understand how ./configue, make, make install works [19:47] so ./configure --DESTDIR=/usr/local/lib? [19:48] keep reading [19:49] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] read the docs = README, INSTALL, NEWS, and run ./configure --help for parameter info, but you must read because guessing will only make a mess [19:49] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:50] hmm [19:50] thanks [19:51] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] DESTDIR=/tmp/pkg is what i use to make most all of my packages, what it does is install it to /tmp/pkg as if it was going to where --prefix was going to send it then i can cd in to /tmp/pkg and run makepkg on it and build a slackware package [19:54] i am going to be mad if the Daytona 500 interrupts the simpsons, familyguy & american dad, this is the only day of the week i can laugh at the TV [19:54] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:59] hey thanks guys. got it to work. [20:00] ankatron (~chatzilla@188.24.219.76) joined ##slackware. [20:01] Why isn't the slackware.com site not working? [20:01] ankatron, been down a couple of days I think [20:02] Why? :( [20:02] Pat is cleaning out the dust from his cpu fan [20:02] I just ran into the saying" If you know Slackware you know Linux!"...and want to test it...:( [20:02] dive, AHAHAHAHA [20:02] Thanks...:) [20:03] ankatron: try a mirror if you want to install it [20:03] ankatron, which country you in? [20:03] But this god os is not for beginners right? [20:03] right [20:03] :-ss damn [20:03] of course it is [20:03] I don't see why not [20:03] ankatron, it's fine so long as you are prepared to read [20:04] Slackware package /tmp/amarok-df9d593-x86_64-1.txz created. \o/ [20:04] just not the lazy ones [20:04] I'm just a pour old ubuntu and a little bit debian user. [20:04] I'm not lazy. [20:04] pprkut, what did you do? [20:04] But I have a fear that it will not be like ubuntu for example. [20:04] you can successfully install slack if you read and understand the support documenttion. [20:04] pprkut, anyway it still sucks monkey balls ;-P [20:04] Could I do webdesign on it? [20:04] sometimes you can successfully install slackware even if you read but do NOT understand the support documentation 8-) [20:04] ankatron: it isn't like ubuntu other than the fact that it is linux [20:05] Action: Delahunt points out that the slackbook is on the DVD [20:05] ankatron, yes - I do [20:05] dive: a cmake flag breaks amarok [20:05] do you really even need to read documentation just to install it? =/ [20:05] pprkut, so it *is* down to the devs? [20:05] sure, it's a good idea, but it isn't really that complicated if you can use fdisk [20:05] alienBOB: -DKDE4_ENABLE_FINAL breaks amarok [20:06] zaltekk, no just read the screen, but after that is where people fall down [20:06] pprkut: is that even useful in extragear apps? [20:06] dive: I guess it's our fault for using the flag, and the devs fault for not checking it is actually working :) [20:06] sahk0: no idea [20:06] pprkut, ah well, give and take then [20:06] sahk0: amarok accepts it [20:07] some dont even have it but dont know what it does [20:07] zeroXzero (~zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) joined ##slackware. [20:07] ankatron, which country you in? I can get a link for a mirror for you [20:08] I found one...thanks dive. [20:08] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:08] ok [20:08] Should have search google first, sorry. [20:08] np [20:08] Excuse me! [20:09] brb [20:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:09] is slackware.com down? [20:10] yes [20:10] Another thing, does slack work fine with ati video cards? [20:10] crap [20:10] i don't see why it wouldn't [20:11] I heard many people that ati doesn't go quite well with linux... [20:11] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [20:11] your video card worked with ubuntu. it will still work with slackware [20:12] ankatron, I would read up on your specific card [20:12] we hear all the time that ATI's drivers suck for 3D in Slackware and most other Linux distributions as well [20:12] the stock kernel drivers will work fine to give you a decent workstation, however [20:12] Thanks... [20:12] Action: Delahunt blames the type of market that ati/nvidia are in for this [20:12] and by blaming the market i blame them basically [20:12] Gnu/Linux is really interesting and you guys are doing a great job.. [20:13] dive: fwiw, now every layout issue I had is gone. amarok works like a charm again [20:13] at least nvidia have their own linux support forums [20:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] pprkut, I still have sound issues with it. Surprising since everything else works for kde system sound settings. [20:13] Nice that there are alternatives in life.. [20:14] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:14] dive: have you checked in the systemsettings module for phonon? [20:14] free will is true meaning of freedom =) [20:14] pprkut, phonon? [20:14] :) [20:15] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Also do you guys play games on slack? [20:15] Action: phrag must try fix phonon or whatever is locking my sounds card up [20:15] :D [20:15] is that different to kde settings? [20:15] ankatron: yes, most certainly.. or i did for a long time awhile back [20:15] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.46) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Good so if I'm an avid reader this distribution will be fine for me. [20:16] Always wanted to test it because of it's saying.. [20:16] I'm back! [20:16] :-) [20:16] dive: in systemsettings -> computer administration -> multimedia [20:16] "If you know slackware you know linux" [20:16] :D [20:16] Ok. I'm ready to debug Slackware [20:16] if you are willing to read and are interested in how a true linux system works, then you will go far with slack [20:16] pprkut, yep checked that too - but it only duplicates the settings in amarok itself [20:17] Yes and I want to use it for programming and design mostly. [20:17] and most slackers rarely stray far =) [20:17] "a true linux system"? [20:17] asarch, pastebin 'lsmod | grep cpu' [20:17] dive: tried switching the backend? [20:17] Why would sbopkg not download a file before trying to untar it? I am trying to install VirtualBox-3.1.2-OSE and it is not going well. [20:17] Not many have it but they shure master it! :D [20:17] slackware is the most unix like Linux distribution still in development, so in that sense, i would say the purest linux/gnu [20:17] ardya: ^ [20:17] :) [20:17] Thanks for the info. [20:18] pprkut, yeah I tried it all so far - plays one song, goes to next track, appears to be playing but zilch sound [20:18] And excuse me if I [20:18] i'm talking nonsense..and ask so many questions.. [20:18] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:18] dive: i've had that issue, just keep sskipping to next track.. amarok broke in 4.4 [20:18] Just that I'm very curious about how things work with slack. [20:18] phrag, ah [20:18] dive: hrm, no idea what could cause that :/ [20:18] dive: http://slackware.pastebin.com/m256de909 [20:19] phrag: wanna test current amarok git? :) [20:19] pprkut: sure, i'm on -current multilib with kde 4.4 [20:20] That's basically what gnu/linux kernel is trying to do? [20:20] Create a unix like but free operating system? [20:20] wtf does amarok need acess to 'kdewallet'!? [20:20] asarch, 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' [20:20] phrag: me too, and since it's pretty stock I could offer you the package [20:20] phrag: for me it would be last.fm [20:21] ankatron: that was the initial driving force, linux isn't trying to 'copy' unix tho imho, it does have it's roots firmly set there tho [20:21] pprkut: ah, that must be it [20:21] I see... [20:22] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] hmm, this is strange... [20:22] And how people can contribute in the advancing of slack? [20:22] Qt: 4.6.1 [20:22] With code, translations, etc.. [20:23] phrag: amarok needs kdewallet so when the riaa wants to cash in on your music :P [20:23] KDE Development Platform: 4.4.00 (KDE 4.4.0), Qt: 4.6.1 [20:23] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.175) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:23] why is that weird? [20:23] ankatron, slackbuilds.org is a good start [20:23] sorry.. Amarok says Using KDE 4.3.4 [20:23] Version 2.2.1 [20:24] ankatron, if you use a good usefull application - make a slackbuild script and submit [20:24] Maybe in the future when I will be ready maybe I can give a hand too... [20:24] asarch, still there? [20:25] phrag, ah, not yet recompiled [20:25] wow, the sbopkg log is just as helpful as the actual output from the program itself. :P [20:25] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:25] anyone smell burning? [20:26] Yes [20:26] dive: are you sure it's not a tumor? [20:26] dive:ondemand [20:26] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:26] phrag: http://www.liwjatan.at/files/slackware/packages/13.1/ [20:26] asarch, cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature [20:26] Sorry, I went for a glass of water [20:26] Wow Patrick Wolkerding loves beer, sweet! [20:26] :D [20:27] sbopkg can't contact the remote server [20:27] wtf [20:27] godling, the site is probably down [20:27] try yourself with wget [20:27] 50C [20:27] no I'm looking at it [20:27] in firefox, I mean [20:27] it's cool though, I was just checking for an update and it seems 0.31.0 is still the newest [20:28] asarch, 50°C is ok [20:28] slackware.com was down earlier too [20:28] Wait [20:28] now I just need to figure out what's borked about virtualbox [20:28] gem_cat (~GEM@207-119-10-32.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:28] or I may just have to download it and install it manually [20:28] Let's have a wait for a half of hour [20:28] ok [20:28] asarch, you can hear your fan? [20:28] No, I can't [20:29] asarch, hmmm [20:29] I mean, yes, it working but silently [20:29] brb [20:29] Sure [20:29] what would make /bin/sh a "bad interpreter" ? [20:29] pprkut: upgraded [20:29] gem_cat, you updating bash to 32-bit on a 64-bit system [20:29] unixfool (~ron@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! [20:36] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [20:36] slackboy joined ##slackware. [20:36] Ok [20:36] yay [20:36] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [20:36] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [20:36] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [20:37] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:37] asarch, and output it here too ;-) [20:37] 19:36:59 up 48 min, 5 users, load average: 0.74, 0.43, 0.29 [20:37] ok [20:37] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68-113-105-67.static.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: Quit: lee555J5 [20:37] do the same again in an hour and take note of temp too [20:38] does asarch have lm_sensors installed? [20:38] unixfool (~ron@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [20:38] I can not see any bash there thrice` - I was hoping to save something but a clean install is worth something too [20:38] hrmmm [20:38] if so then just do "watch sensors" in a terminal [20:38] godling, don't need lm_sensors for this [20:38] overkill [20:38] to monitor temperature? *shrug* [20:38] ok :) [20:38] although it might help with bridge temp [20:39] dive: lm_sensors-3.1.1-i486-1 [20:39] Well guys I'm off, thanks for the help. [20:39] Have a great day! [20:39] good luck [20:39] ;) [20:40] Good luck ankatron [20:40] :-) [20:40] yay it's building [20:40] let's see if it break [20:40] *breaks [20:40] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:40] wtf is iasl [20:40] goddamnit [20:40] godling, what are you building? [20:40] godling: acpica [20:40] virtualbox [20:41] it was working, I upgraded slack, then it broke [20:41] :P [20:41] upgraded to..? [20:41] ankatron (~chatzilla@188.24.219.76) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] [20:41] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:41] godling: hint: README :P [20:41] you know [20:41] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.46) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [20:41] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:41] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.46) joined ##slackware. [20:42] I appreciate you telling me to rtfm [20:42] I really do [20:42] Action: asarch stops using XChat to starts using Irssi [20:42] Action: asarch cannot read the small fonts of the XChat window [20:42] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:42] dive: new stuff from current [20:43] kernel, gcc, autoconf, some other stuff [20:43] gonna reboot again...bot will go down [20:43] unixfool (~ron@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: Quit: BitchX: it tastes like poo [20:46] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [20:46] slacklad joined ##slackware. [20:46] it does do that effectively, though [20:46] :P [20:46] it does both so :P [20:46] whatever, I am just going to have to go to school to do this assignment [20:46] slackboy (~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:46] Nick change: slacklad -> slackboy [20:46] Action: asarch now understands why it always loses his OpenOffice.org installation after a "clean-system" [20:46] I hope it's open tomorrow [20:46] if you don't use clean-system you will have cruft left in the new system that does not belong [20:46] asarch, when you do clean-system you should get a list to tick off [20:47] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:47] clean-system should be run and then you should actually read the list... [20:47] unixfool (~ron@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [20:47] chowder (~Anon@c-98-211-211-147.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] I always press enter and curse later [20:47] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:47] this explains a lot... [20:48] Temperature of the core 0 is 70C [20:48] :-S [20:48] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] asarch, uptime? [20:48] bah [20:48] dive: 19:48:40 up 1:00, 7 users, load average: 1.48, 0.62, 0.38 [20:49] asarch, ok run top and see whats eating cpu [20:49] the new packages are trivial and would not affect anything I am trying to do antiwire [20:49] KDE 4 is too slow in my laptop! [20:49] :-( [20:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] hmm [20:49] It vary [20:49] does anything show > 30 [20:49] or so [20:49] Action: godling throws chickpeas at antiwire [20:49] Sometimes sort, some times removepkg [20:50] well stop running stuff maybe [20:50] Hi. I'm trying to dualboot slackware with Ubuntu. I have Ubuntu on /dev/hda1 (root) and /dev/hda2. Slackware is located at /dev/hda4. Since Ubuntu uses Grub by default I did not install LILO. How do I configure Grub to boot slackware? I'm using Grub 0.97 [20:50] and then test [20:50] this doesnt look like a tar archive ; Only read 7475 bytes from archive /lilo-22.8.src.tar.gz [20:50] asarch, what cou do you have? [20:50] *cpu [20:50] Sometines xz (80) [20:50] ? [20:51] These: http://slackware.pastebin.com/m4cbd3cf4 [20:51] asarch, it sounds like your system is under load [20:51] godling: are you trying to build vbox on slack x86_64? [20:52] "Under load"? [20:52] What does it mean? [20:52] asarch, with a 1ghz cpu running whatever you're running plus kde the machine *will* get hot [20:52] chess: I have already done all the chroot stuff, but yes I am aware there are issues. [20:53] This is how my grub entry for slackware looks: title Slackware || uuid 40c990d8-15d3-4f50-945e-a5f89dcdbbe9 || kernel /boot/vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp root=40c990d8-15d3-4f50-945e-a5f89dcdbbe9 ro [20:53] If I use the 1830 speed, the case get hot faster [20:53] asarch, mine goes 90°C when building software - 70° is fine [20:53] chess: I mean yes, I am, and yes I am aware there are problems with it. :) [20:53] Average temp is ~65C [20:54] godling: part of the issue you faced wtih sbopkg is right now the current release does not work with the multiple downloads, like in virtualbox-ose. this functionality works with sbopkg SVN adn will be in the next release. I just built acpica and the two vbox pkgs with sbopkg svn and it worked fine. [20:54] the double pipes represent a newline. I think I was wrong in assuming that it was ok to use the UUID instead of the device [20:54] asarch, stop running programs for 10 minutes and check temp and load average again [20:54] With Sabayon, average temp was ~55C [20:54] Ok [20:54] chess: ok, thanks for the heads up :) [20:54] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] Do I 'telinit 3' dive? [20:54] I'm going to eat my delivered thai food before it gets cold now, since I haven't eaten anything today [20:54] I think low blood sugar is making me punchy [20:55] godling: np. sorry that you ran into that issu. [20:55] asarch, no just stop running removepkg or whatever you were doing ;-) [20:55] "Warning: Program '/bin/ksh' crashed." [20:55] issue [20:55] D'oh! [20:55] Ok [20:55] (or do people always want to stab antiwire? ;P) [20:55] Don't be a hater [20:56] lol [20:56] Action: BP{k} stabs antiwire [20:56] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.98.246) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:56] Action: dive pulls antiwire's pants down [20:56] Lucky for you all, I'm highly medicated [20:56] Action: dive stabs antiwire [20:56] kyzz (kyzz@c-75-73-227-39.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] that's good [20:56] that's ok, I will just eat my Thai spring rolls, crab fried rice, and flat noodles with chicken [20:56] Fedora get evern more hot than Slackware [20:56] this doesnt look like a tar archive ; Only read 7475 bytes from archive /lilo-22.8.src.tar.gz [20:57] ? [20:57] *gets even [20:57] antiwire: sounds good, huh? [20:57] I bet you have the munchies [20:57] HaMpA, sounds like you need to redownload it [20:57] hmm [20:57] not medicated like stoned [20:57] HaMpA, which command are you running on it? [20:57] You cannot do anything without feel pain in your wrists because of the hot case [20:57] HaMpA, tar xvf lilo---blabla [20:58] antiwire: stoned is okay:) [20:58] ok [20:59] Why did Patrick choose KDE 4 if it is a very heavy environment? [20:59] xvcf [20:59] HaMpA, and why are you untarring a source of lilo in / when it comes with slackware anyway? (more to the point) [20:59] asarch: Runs fine here [20:59] no im not sure, its a slackbuild [20:59] and I even have a system with a T2400 and it runs perfeclty [21:00] im reinstalling it :S [21:00] s/lty/tly [21:00] asarch, run xwmconfig and look at all the included de's/wm's [21:00] With me it runs like if it were a PowerPoint presentation [21:00] asarch, try xfce or fluxbox [21:00] im missing /boot/ dir, im remaking it [21:00] =) [21:00] They don't have any file manager [21:00] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] I don't like Thunar style [21:00] oh [21:00] lilo isn't in /boot, it's in /sbin [21:01] clean install thrice` - I hate to lose stuf but it was mostly downlowds anyway - and that old novel I never could finish... [21:01] HaMpA, you don't have a /boot? [21:01] haha [21:01] brilliant [21:01] dammit chicken and chips time [21:01] yes dive [21:01] food good [21:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:02] nope [21:02] somehow it dissapeard [21:02] xd [21:03] only could have done so through your actions HaMpA [21:03] :P [21:03] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.71) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:03] well... maybe perhaps [21:03] bad user error [21:03] you must have wanted to go through this to learn about linux, that's all [21:03] your subconscious is telling you to figure it out [21:04] master it! [21:04] :) [21:04] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] haha i was just getting comfortable with Enlightenment... it was hard to install it from source on x64 [21:05] ok later kid [21:05] *kids [21:05] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [21:05] godling, you reminded me that all I've consumed today is 4 guinness and coffee [21:05] tut [21:05] hehe [21:05] good food dive [21:07] KDE 4 Software Compilation is looking like it is ready for the desktop in 2010. I look forward to using it [21:07] HaMpA, where did you get that lilo-src from? [21:07] my slackware cd [21:08] in the sources directory? [21:08] gem_cat, might be for the best :> [21:08] nope [21:08] slackware64/a/lilo [21:08] with including slackbuild [21:08] no you didn't [21:08] you got it from source/a/lilo [21:08] HaMpA, ok - it's just it sounds like you should be installing a kernel rather than lilo [21:08] :o [21:09] zeroXzero (~zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) left irc: Quit: :wq [21:09] omg your right thrice` [21:09] which lilo? [21:09] okey [21:09] run that [21:09] kernel it is [21:09] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:09] lol [21:10] where is that kernel package located then [21:11] not kernel-source-2.6.29.6-noarch-2.txz? :S [21:12] no that's source although you might need that too [21:12] if you want to compile it [21:12] this is 64bit so I'm not too familiar with the wheres [21:12] okey [21:12] it's either k/ or /kernels or some such [21:13] kernels are in k and a iirc [21:13] i think k is just the source [21:13] nope, no kernels in k [21:13] only source installer in k? [21:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:13] source archieve, as a package [21:14] don't make me get my dvd out ;-P [21:14] so that you can have it in /usr/src if need-be [21:14] okey so I install it [21:14] =) [21:15] asarch, temp and uptime load? [21:15] slackware/slackware64-13.0/slackware64/a/kernel-*.t?z [21:15] now thats installed [21:15] there are packages for firmware, the huge kernel, the generic kernel, and the modules [21:15] whats next? [21:15] Alan_Hicks: Exactly why you shouldn't use cylinders/fdisk : http://www.osnews.com/story/22872/Linux_Not_Fully_Prepared_for_4096-Byte_Sector_Hard_Drives [21:15] after installing the packages? [21:16] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.162) joined ##slackware. [21:16] you'd want to run lilo if it doesn't do it for you [21:16] zaltekk, I don't think we're at that stage yet [21:16] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:16] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:16] he's still looking for the kernel I believe [21:16] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:16] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:17] i gave him the relative path for it on the mirror [21:17] HaMpA, look in a/ for kernels and modules [21:17] done [21:18] installing right now [21:18] :D [21:18] gotta go get me some food [21:18] riddlebox (~james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:20] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Oh look, captain ping timeout [21:21] yeah [21:21] :) [21:21] time to configure lilo? [21:21] or whats the next step [21:21] well, if you were using that kernel already the config should be accurate [21:22] HaMpA, edit lilo.conf and run lilo [21:22] okey [21:27] Temperature: ~56C [21:27] Without doing anything [21:27] :-S [21:27] Do you have the same laptop dive? [21:29] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] asarch, nope I have a T21 and a T42 [21:30] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:30] lilo warning, unable to determine video adapter in user in the present system [21:30] I would suggest getting the screwdrivers out and cleaning up the insides [21:30] remove dust, new heatsink compound [21:31] and 56 isn't that bad although its a bit hotter than mine at rest [21:31] HaMpA, that's normal for a chroot environment with lilo [21:31] nothing to worry about [21:32] but does it mean that the config file have been installed+ [21:32] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] it should have installed if that's the only warning [21:32] warnings don't prevent it from installing [21:32] greetings and salutations [21:32] only errors do [21:32] Fatal [21:32] andarius, hi [21:32] salutations dive [21:33] open /boot/slack.bmp no such file or directory [21:33] hmm I donder which package that's in? [21:33] I know where it is :D [21:34] that should be in lilo [21:34] so reinstall lilo [21:34] source lilo [21:34] not source [21:34] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.216) joined ##slackware. [21:35] there should be a package for it [21:35] I cant reinstall lilo bcuz its not working, cant make proper source install becuse it cant find libs [21:35] eh? You managed to install kernel packages right? What's up with lilo package? [21:35] Is there anything else I can do dive? [21:36] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] It seems to be hardware problem [21:36] :-( [21:36] W9ZEB (~lars@74.63.111.214) joined ##slackware. [21:36] asarch, not really- like I said 56 isn't *that* bad - it's what it goes up to under load that matters more [21:36] what isn't working about it? [21:37] asarch, I don't see a problem really [21:37] But the case is more hot than with Sabayon [21:37] dont know whats up with that [21:37] and which desktop was sabyon using? [21:37] GNOME [21:37] GNOME with *a lot of* processes [21:38] I guess kde is little more cpu intensive then [21:38] :-( [21:38] I need a new computer [21:38] I will buy a Desktop machine this time [21:38] ... [21:38] i love my laptop [21:39] HaMpA, what error do you get installing the lilo package? [21:39] Well, thank you very much dive [21:39] whats called LDA32? [21:39] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] or something [21:39] Thank you for your patient and time [21:39] Gateway FX P-7805U from BestBuy that had the 1920x1200 17" screen mistakenly installed [21:39] asarch, np [21:39] I really appreciate your help [21:39] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [21:39] I am in debt with you [21:40] Have a nice day [21:40] :-) [21:40] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.46) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneos lupus: I hold the wolf by the ears [21:40] HaMpA, just put 'lba32' somewhere near the top of lilo.conf and that error will go [21:40] yeah =) [21:40] kyzz (kyzz@c-75-73-227-39.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: [21:40] I always add 'compact' as well [21:40] yeah compact is good too [21:41] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:41] HaMpA, what error do you get installing the lilo package? [21:41] I don't suppose there's a guide out there for optimizing battery life? [21:42] no now I reboot and try [21:42] W9ZEB: you can limit your processor to its lowest speed and keep your lcd brightness turned down [21:42] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] Noooo [21:42] still the same error :((( [21:42] turn off radios like bluetooth and wifi if you aren't using them [21:43] and unplug usb devices [21:43] W9ZEB, also rmmod unneeded modules espcially usb if not using them [21:43] dive: good suggestion there. [21:43] wifi module too [21:43] crazyhors (~gr@209.89.220.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:44] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [21:44] wifi and usb are pretty power draining [21:45] HaMpA, which error? [21:45] init[1]: version 2.86 booting, Cannot execute "/etc/rc.d/rc.S" , Entering runlevel: 3, INIT: cannot execute "/etc/rc.d/rc.M" [21:45] then my login changes to [21:45] hmm [21:46] (none) login: [21:46] ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.M [21:46] HaMpA: do those files exist? and does /bin/bash exist? [21:46] yes [21:46] probably [21:46] also, make sure that /bin/sh links to /bin/bash(ls -l /bin/sh) [21:46] make sure. [21:46] okey [21:46] ill go ahead and boot up my cd... [21:47] although that would give a 'bad interpreter' I think [21:47] it sounds like bash isn't able to execute [21:47] dive: i think that when making the error of upgrading from slackware64-13.0 bash to slackware-13.0 bash i ended up with very similar messages [21:47] hmm [21:48] I've not gone that route yet [21:48] i specifically remember (none) login: [21:48] dive: this isn't likely to be a surprise, but moving to lxde from kde alone added 45m to the average battery life :) [21:48] W9ZEB, yeah quite likely [21:48] okey [21:48] dive: it was a mistake in my slackpkg mirror configuration =/ [21:48] kernel panic [21:48] kde has a lot of stuff going on in the bg [21:49] would using a non-journal'd filesystem, and other methods to stop the HD from constantly being used help too? [21:49] Although... thinking about it, non journal'd on a laptop might not be a good idea. [21:50] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [21:52] SlashQuit, maybe [21:52] riddlebox (~james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:52] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:52] need to look up overhead and compare [21:53] i don't know that i would change my filesystem in attempt to save power [21:53] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] I stick to ext3 on all [21:53] 2 /bin/sh -> busybox [21:53] reiser burned me once and I'm not sure about ext4 yet [21:54] I'm a xfs fan. :) [21:54] that's good for large file moves [21:54] and jfs too I think [21:54] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [21:54] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [21:54] Bin/bash links to nowhere? [21:54] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:54] HaMpA, ls -l /bin/sh [21:54] My weirdy kid replaced his HD with a 16GB usb thumb, and hooked it up internally hidden in his laptop, and used to boot from that. I think he did a few tweaks, (like the a-time tweak) to reduce the number of write attempts. The same logic might apply to reducing HD power there too (atime) [21:54] /bin/bash should be a file, /bin/sh should link to it [21:54] s/ls/ln [21:55] W9ZEB, no I meant ls -l [21:55] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:55] dad? [21:55] and bash should be executable [21:55] to list it [21:55] ahh. [21:55] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:56] SlashQuit, i read one article that points out that write cycle on modern flash devices (i.e. that size) are not an issue [21:56] i think the article said the majority of the recent ones have a half life of 70 years [21:57] Heh, and in 7 years I'll be looking back and thinking 16GB flash is too small to be worth using. [21:57] noatime could work but it breaks new mail for mutt in mboxes and maybe some other things [21:57] i don't even bother trying with write cycle minimizing any more to be quite honest. i run luks+lvm+ext2 on here [21:57] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] (asus eee pc 900a) [21:58] I could survive on a 16gb SSD [21:58] gem_cat (~GEM@207-119-10-32.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Vanishes with a small pop [21:58] with a 16GB sd card for /home [21:58] 4gb here [21:58] ext2? [21:58] yeah i figured i would try it out [21:58] SSD ... still a little too pricey for me. [21:59] true they are expensive but if your machine has no other option (eee pc here) you have to [21:59] Oops [21:59] I have no /bin/ dir [21:59] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [21:59] its gone [21:59] why are you missing things like /bin and /boot? [22:00] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [22:00] why is the sky green? [22:00] this is bizzare [22:00] $100 for a 32gb ssd. that's not "awful" other than, you can almost pick up a 500gb spindle for that. [22:01] that depends on how fast is that 32gb [22:02] HaMpA: the sky isn't green you retard... It's plaid yellow and pink. [22:02] HaMpA, I need not check I hope that you are actually looking in the mounted/chrooted file system for /bin? [22:02] sorry... :( [22:02] LOL [22:02] yes [22:02] HaMpA, then you have big problems [22:02] 170mb/s read --- 100mb/s write (sequential) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820141419 [22:03] HaMpA: what you smoking and how much a gram? [22:03] all my applications [22:03] I think I might be inclined to reinstall [22:03] dive: nothing like that reinstall smell. [22:03] some new legal smoke, plus my ritalin and some stilnoct... [22:03] 100mb/s write, and 32gb is most than enought for a pretty good server [22:03] dive: have you tried Salix? [22:03] or at least run setup anyway and install the packages again [22:03] salix, nope [22:04] thanks dive [22:04] (we don't care about your shitty salix distro, plz2stop advertising it) [22:04] HaMpA, just for fun - ls / [22:04] dive: it's worth checking out. It's Slack based so it feel right at home. It's got a boot splash, uses slapt-get, and fits on one CD. stocks with xfce. [22:05] HaMpA, and pastebin it [22:06] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [22:06] Cann0n, any useful tools on it? [22:06] =) [22:06] guax: or a netbook :) [22:07] HaMpA, you *have* mounted the correct partition I suppose? [22:09] yes, all applications in /usr/bin is there, not /bin/ [22:09] xd [22:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:09] reinstall [22:10] just make install over the previous [22:10] yeah run setup again [22:10] select partitions, choose full installation etc [22:10] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:10] that ought to do it [22:11] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:11] then you will need suss out the x86 compat stuff again after [22:11] others can give you more help with that than me... [22:11] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:12] well the compat 86 wont take long i think [22:12] guax: we're using some SSDs in a server. 32gb Patriot WARP drives.... [22:13] two of them mirrored are running the ZIL on a ZFS pool. [22:13] Raidz2 (7 spindles) [22:13] =D [22:14] my first love is FreeBSD. which might explain why I like Slackware so much :) [22:14] yeah freebsd is my 2nd favourite [22:14] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz [22:15] for desktops, I think Linux has an edge. Primarily because of Adobe. [22:15] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:15] flash runs on freebsd [22:16] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [22:16] via compatibility. [22:16] yes, but it still works [22:16] In my experience it almost runs better using windows flash, on windows firefox via wine. [22:16] than using the linux binaries :/ [22:17] kyzz (~kyzz@c-75-73-227-39.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] does anyone of you use enlightenment? [22:17] Action: W9ZEB is using lxde [22:17] i wouldn't be surpirsed. windows flash is always better performing for me [22:17] although flash player's performance in general is horrible [22:17] that might change with the new gpu acceleration in the latest beta [22:18] so bad Apple refused to install it on the iPhone. [22:18] I [22:18] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [22:18] I'm running 10.1 on this slackware install :) [22:18] eddief (~eddie@pool-68-161-219-65.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] it wouldn't be usable on the iphone [22:18] ipad? [22:19] Android <3 [22:19] Action: W9ZEB has a Nexus One [22:19] I just wish google would fix html5 in chrome - the sound is borked [22:19] it replaced my 3G jesusphone. 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[22:22] from a 3g 16gb [22:22] considered a droid but changed my mind at the last minute [22:22] although if i had an iphone, i'd probably complain more about objective c than i do now about J2ME [22:22] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [22:22] unixfool: what's it like? [22:22] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Client Quit [22:23] a LOT quicker than the 3g [22:23] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.46) joined ##slackware. [22:23] i'm glad i upgraded...the difference is drastic [22:24] this Nexus One, has a 1ghz processor. I imagine it's as much faster than my 3G as your 3GS is. [22:24] OS change improves a lot of other things. [22:24] i personally don't believe in pure hz count [22:24] if the phone code is optimized correctly, the cpu won't matter [22:25] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:25] so apple, iPhone 3gs and os. vs google, nexus 1, and android 2.1 [22:25] who has the better geeks :) [22:26] the server's disk io settled down [22:26] i had to change kernels though [22:27] and cpu usage is a bit higher [22:27] Thank you for all help, much appreaciated [22:28] limac (~chatzilla@ool-45745b2f.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Action: nachox bows and leaves to have some sleep [22:28] later nachox [22:28] night [22:28] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.40.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:29] i'm gonna bail too [22:29] Good night guys [22:29] night [22:29] unixfool (~ron@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: Quit: BitchX: now with Olestra! [22:30] same for me, its sleepytime here [22:30] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:32] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:33] Other than for an encrypted root partition, what are the goods reason to have a /boot partition ? [22:33] HaMpA (~kompaesf@88.86.50.38) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:33] Sneaky, the 's' moved from 'reasons' to 'good'. [22:34] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: moving my ass to a cumfortable bed :o [22:35] limac (~chatzilla@ool-45745b2f.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221151141] [22:35] I suppose one reason is when your bios needs the bootable partition to be lower than N cylinders, and you don't want / before your swap. [22:35] SlashQuit: ability to use lvm on / [22:36] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:36] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-125-201.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] heya,folks [22:36] software raid. partition types lilo/grub can't boot. etc etc etc [22:36] oh, and tradition :) [22:36] Ah, so not encrypted, but some other LVM usage. Nice point. [22:36] MLanden, hi [22:37] heya,dive...how's it going? [22:37] anyone else have libofa fail with an example.so error? [22:37] every server i set up these days has a simple 100MB /boot fs, the rest of the array is dedicated to lvm [22:37] from slackbuilds.org [22:38] *example.o [22:39] jeffm1234 (~ad23547d@gateway/web/freenode/x-tabxkvnaxzertwwh) joined ##slackware. [22:39] slackware ftw [22:39] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427671.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:40] jeffm1234 (~ad23547d@gateway/web/freenode/x-tabxkvnaxzertwwh) left irc: Client Quit [22:41] mrselfpwn: are you useing more than 1 job? [22:41] using [22:42] not to my knowledge, i'm using sbopkg [22:43] it's actually a few lines like this; example.cpp:66: error: 'printf' was not declared in this scope [22:43] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] Reading fedora's bug site there was a bug that required a patch that resulted in that error. [22:44] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Reset by Beer [22:44] which the patch fixed. I guess I can manually apply the patch and repackage the tarball [22:45] The sbo build patches it already [22:45] yeah, that is what i was thinking actually now that you mention it [22:45] I'll try to compile on a different machine. [22:47] I jst built it on 2 different boxs with no problem. [22:47] same error [22:47] current or 13 ? [22:47] Action: BP{k} starts the build. [22:47] 13 -current is not supported [22:48] XGizzmo, hey bro wassup? 8-) [22:48] what makes it fail on current? [22:48] not much, [22:48] well slackbuilds don't "officially" support -current but a slackbuild is really only a script [22:48] gcc/glibc [22:48] figured [22:49] hrmm, would you mind sharing your package with me? [22:50] Action: Delahunt smells a freud joke [22:50] haha [22:50] i686 if you got it big boy [22:50] Can anyone explain why at kernel.org there is NO 2.6.28 or 2.6.29? [22:52] eddief, check http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ ... might need to put an additional number behind it...:D [22:53] actually XGizzmo i found on on slacky that' i486. should work though [22:53] mrselfpwn: here is a patch for it http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/media-libs/libofa/files/libofa-0.9.3-gcc-4.4.patch [22:53] even better [22:53] thank you [22:54] Neseth (~Neseth@189-31-123-184.bnut3700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:54] Neseth (~Neseth@189-31-123-184.bnut3700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Changing host [22:54] Neseth (~Neseth@wikipedia/neseth) joined ##slackware. [22:54] stupid question ... the intel i7 processor is an i786? [22:54] is that a joke? [22:55] no i read the wiki page and didn't see "i786" mentioned directly [22:55] Neseth (~Neseth@wikipedia/neseth) left irc: Client Quit [22:55] it's x86_64 [22:56] so they're not saying "i786 = x86_64", it's i586, then i686, then x86_64? [22:56] where are you getting i786 from? [22:56] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] "i7" [22:57] ah, ok [22:57] so, p4 procs were p486? [22:57] no, they were/are i686 [22:57] Neseth (~Neseth@189-31-123-184.bnut3700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Neseth (~Neseth@189-31-123-184.bnut3700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Changing host [22:57] Neseth (~Neseth@wikipedia/neseth) joined ##slackware. [22:57] but, "p4" ? [22:58] Neseth (~Neseth@wikipedia/neseth) left irc: Client Quit [22:58] not i4 [22:58] come on it's an honest question 8-( [22:58] XGizzmo: should I remove the 4.3 patch from the slackbuild or include both do you think? [22:58] (which has been answered) [22:59] mrselfpwn, probably useless (or, might not apply) - kill it for the new [22:59] okay thanks. [22:59] no apply all 3 patches [23:00] yeah, looks like it [23:01] oh my, guess so. sorry [23:01] m0n-Eh (~m0ney@adsl-70-233-146-52.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] worked like a charm thanks. [23:01] m0n-Eh (~m0ney@adsl-70-233-146-52.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:05] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:06] Delahunt, from wikipedia the intel netburst arch is referred as p7..only i786 in comparison to earlier intel archs [23:06] Nick change: derfz -> dErFz [23:07] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:07] it's already 11 [23:08] eeew, bad rworkman [23:09] whoops...meant to say p68...the p7 is what evolved into the Itanium microarchitecture [23:09] MLanden, ah thanks [23:09] heh, as a bit of a joke Intel made the P4s originally report their arch as iv86. Broke a fair few things before everyone realised wha was going on [23:10] LSD`, from the bios? [23:10] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.38.201) joined ##slackware. [23:11] I'm an AMD kinda guy [23:11] thrice`: eh? [23:12] Cann0n: kinda sucks for you right now :P [23:12] I am agnostic [23:12] LSD`: why? [23:12] rworkman, "PKG_LANG=$(echo $OOLANG | sed s/-/_/)" :> [23:12] pi31415: I am too. [23:12] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [23:13] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:13] got an ARM linux device that runs on a couple of AA batteries [23:13] that's not something the atom or geode will do [23:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:13] thrice`: what's wrong with that? [23:13] sweet. I'd convert it to rechargable Lithiums [23:14] pi31415, which arm arch? [23:14] kyzz (~kyzz@c-75-73-227-39.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:14] thrice`: well, variable substitution is probably better, but I can never remember how to do that without RTFMing. Therefore, I sed. [23:14] MLanden: a gp2x =) [23:15] rworkman, exactly :> ${OOLANG//-/_} [23:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X#Specifications [23:15] pi31415, cool [23:15] xorsurgeon (~ce10d781@gateway/web/freenode/x-wjmyfznibnahgdyy) joined ##slackware. [23:15] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:16] pi31415, what do you think of the wiz or the pandora? [23:17] I have not read much about them yet [23:17] MLanden, thanks for your reply. Actually the main page of www.kernel.org has NO mention of 2.6.28 or 2.6.29. It links to 27, 30-33 - I was wondering why. [23:18] eddief, np....guess for fast reference [23:18] I like that the wiz could support 2 players on 1 device [23:18] Windows 7 previously installed, my current partition setup looks like (/dev/sda1 * appears to be a partition created by Windows 7 installation) /dev/sda2 (Windows 7) /dev/sda3 (Linux Swap) and /dev/sda4 (Linux) * installed LILO to the root sector of /dev/sda4, changed the boot flag on the partitions to default boot /dev/sda4 * LILO appears, setup an entry for Windows7 in liloconfig, to access /dev/sda1 * later tried /dev/s [23:18] thrice`: fixed for the next update :) [23:19] hehe, just hit it bumping to 3.2 [23:19] MLanden, Are 28 and 29 "deprecated" and 27, 30+ are recommended? [23:19] Action: GooseYArd yawns [23:19] eddief, 27 is a "long term support" kernel, so it keeps getting updates [23:20] thrice`: vbatts did the update for me this time, and as soon as I can get around to testing it, I'll push it to SBo pending. [23:20] xorsurgeon: whot? [23:20] OOo? [23:20] are you moaning? [23:21] not with pleasure [23:21] OOo OpenOfice.org [23:21] rworkman, OO update? [23:21] thrice`, what about 27 makes it a recommended version over 28 and 29? Slackware 13.0 uses 2.6.29. Is there something deficient about 29? [23:21] Action: GooseYArd pats cannon on the head [23:21] Cann0n : /dev/sda4 is my Linux partition, where LILO is installed at the root (through fdisk I made it the default booting partition). Rebooting the machine, I'm met with the LILO boot manager. [23:21] Ah, I see now. Intel gave the P4s a family number of 15 which, somehow, ended up being interpreted by Linux as "i1586" [23:22] xorsurgeon: what are you trying to do? [23:22] eddief, no, not at all. kernel devs just declare some kernels long-term support (for larger enterprise distros, I'd imagine) [23:22] I've created two entries, Slackware -> /dev/sda4 and Windows7 -> /dev/sda1 , however trying to load Win7 I get : MISSING BOOTMGR (or very similar error), then I tried changing Win7 entry to ->/dev/sda2 and still the same [23:22] Cann0n: dual boot my Win 7 and Slackware via LILO [23:22] eddief, what are the specs of your machine? [23:23] so, sure, .29 probably won't get much/any attention anymore, but it's not a bad choice. if a security issue comes up that is critical, pat will probably patch it for you [23:23] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-182-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:23] xorsurgeon: oh, I con't help you dude. I haven't used windows in so long, I'd give you bad/wrong advice... but maybe you should try installing lilo in the mbr? [23:23] pi31415, yeah that is cool feature with the wiz [23:23] and I do remember there were some kernel security issues specifically in .28 [23:24] Cann0n: thought about it, was under the impression I could avoid that by default the bootable partition to the one where LILO is contained [23:24] xorsurgeon: I don't recall ever making a partition bootable. [23:24] "boot flag" [23:25] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:25] but I only run single OS's [23:25] only windows needs it iirc [23:25] MLanden, P3 and P4 for a Dell desktops (I don't know exactly off the top of my head - not on the P4 right now). Should that matter regarding which kernel version to use? I upgraded to 30 for support for a Microsoft Webcam - But I still use 27.44 on my main machine - a P3. [23:25] xorsurgeon, any reason you didn't install to the mbr? [23:25] the wiz portability is nice, i do not think anything can beat the value of a netbook running slackware with a usb game controller and some emulators [23:25] xorsurgeon, you might find that works better [23:25] dive : did not want to overwrite the Windows Boot Manager currently in the MBR, just incase [23:26] speaking of windows, I was flipping through a stack of cds and found a windows rescue disk... like a jackass I broke it. It was my uncles. he needs it. >.< [23:26] ah ok [23:26] dive: yes, OOo. Soon, hopefully [23:26] Cann0n: lol [23:26] well, got another one for whoever's willing... [23:26] xorsurgeon: you have to get rid of one [23:26] eddief, no...not really...with the p3,it's hit or miss [23:27] xorsurgeon: you can only have one bootloader working at once [23:27] LSD`: I feel bad about it. We had him on Ubuntu and he wanted to play all these windows games [23:28] ubuntu *is* a windows game :| [23:28] lol [23:28] pi31415, true [23:28] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] http://www.pastie.org/825126 [23:28] yeah, i feel overly bad about destroying that windows cd. I broke it last week. [23:29] Cann0n, lol.....in a fit of rage? [23:29] i have bootloader on hdd primary ide, if i want to bood into windows, i turn primary ide off in bios and it boots into secondary ide HDD [23:29] describes my issues in a bit more detail, if you're compelled to give it a glance [23:29] Action: Delahunt is running a donation page entitled "Free Microwaving For Windows CDs" [23:29] Delahunt, pass on front seats...:D [23:29] MLanden: actually yueah. I was pissed that fedora put grub in my mbr [23:29] Now I have a REAL question regarding an annoying problem. I'm running Slackware 12.2, kernel 2.6.27.44, and using a USB Wifi adapter. If I boot with the Wifi adapter inserted, the device is recognized, the firmware loaded, but the device doesn't work. I have to UNPLUG the device, wait a few seconds, reinsert the device and then the device works. I thought it might have been the driver, but I bought a new USB Wifi adapter a [23:29] nd the same problem occurs. [23:29] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [23:30] xorsurgeon, I seem to recall that windows/dos boot manager requires a certain partition to be bootable but I forget which/how it works now [23:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [23:30] eddief, have you tried the same device on your p4? [23:31] dive : I believe it's the first one, though I'm guessing, I think I recall reading that somewhere [23:31] xorsurgeon, you might be right there [23:31] Cann0n, hear ya....it happens [23:31] eddief: google deal booting. the process isn't special enough to limit yourself to #slackware [23:31] MLanden, actually no. I thought I should try it on another machine. Have you seen the behavior I just described??? [23:31] most of the guys in here aren't dual booting [23:32] s/booting/booting windows [23:32] I'm trying to go about doing it through BCDEDIT now. [23:32] well one of mine is, but I have lilo on mbr [23:32] copying the first sector of /dev/sda4 where LILO is installed [23:32] using : dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/tmp/linux.bin bs=512 count=1 [23:32] Cann0n, At least I know that it's NOT the driver, since the same problem occurs with two different adapters. [23:32] eddief, only if the usb port is an older 1.1..but MOST devices are compliant [23:32] all fine and dandy, but I can't seem to mount my CDROM if I use blank discs, discs with preexisting data, mount fine [23:33] blank disks give me the error : mount: /dev/sr0: can't read superblock [23:33] zaltekk: sounds normal to me, did it work in the past? o_O [23:33] oops, meant xorsurgeon [23:33] xorsurgeon, you cannot mount blank disks. [23:33] MLanden, the Dell I'm using is USB 1.1 - or 1.0? I must try it with the P4 Dell too to rule out weird hardware??? [23:33] xorsurgeon: last time I dual booted (10 years ago), I installed windows first and it's parition (fat32) and installed linux second. I installed lilo in the MBR and i think it detected it automagically. [23:34] eddief, could be a factor [23:34] xorsurgeon, you can only mount something with a file system [23:34] dive : ah, that would make sense , so whats my best option for burning that linux.bin file to a blank cd ? [23:34] OK, Thanks to all for your input. [23:34] xorsurgeon: linux.bin? where did you get that? [23:34] Cann0n : been out of the loop for years myself, but back then, I had done it the same way. I was just hoping to avoid overwriting the MBR by doing things differently. [23:35] xorsurgeon, cdrecord? [23:35] point it at the device [23:35] well, if there's a bootloader in the mbr, that will be a problem. [23:35] Blue-Slacker86 (~blue@217.219.147.114) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Cann0n : I'm under the impression with my linux.bin (first sector of my /dev/sda4) I can install that to Windows and reference it through BCDEDIT (Windows boot manager) to dual boot using Windows boot loader [23:35] eddief (~eddie@pool-68-161-219-65.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:36] dive : thanks, I'll 'man cdrecord' * appreciate it tho. [23:36] xorsurgeon, afaik you just edit boot.ini in windows to point it at the correct partition [23:36] dive : was the case with the old boot loaders [23:36] dive : believe it changed with Vista [23:36] xorsurgeon: No idea. I wouldn't trust a windows boot loader to boot slack... [23:36] hmm don't know then [23:37] Iget upgrade my system but my kernel upgraded to 2.6.29.6-smp from 2.6.32.7-smp , what do now [23:37] dive : I'll keep ya's posted, if I can get this sorted, not that you'd all be very interested, seeing as though it's related to MS, but either way... [23:37] xorsurgeon: doing things the right way and doing them how you want will have two different results, yet one common goal. [23:38] alienBOB: Iget upgrade my system but my kernel upgraded to 2.6.29.6-smp from 2.6.32.7-smp , what do now [23:38] xorsurgeon, sure, I'd like to know how it works anyway - I do have to deal with windows at the local museum [23:38] they aren't at win 7 yet but it's coming [23:38] Cann0n: appreciate the advice [23:38] Does Linux have a way to log all writes to a file? Effectively giving me a transaction log? [23:39] dive : that's a big 10-4. thanks again guys ! [23:39] xorsurgeon: hope you get dude. [23:39] Blue-Slacker86, how did you upgrade? [23:39] I can't use windows. I get all impatient and mad and stuff [23:40] dive: slackpkg upgrade-all [23:40] which version from and to? And where did you get 2.6.32.7-smp from? [23:42] dive:I have slackware 13.0 & i get it with uname -r [23:43] Blue-Slacker86 (~blue@217.219.147.114) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:43] Blue-Slacker86, well that kernel 2.6.32 is from -current... [23:44] tut [23:44] Blue-Slacker86 (~blue@217.219.147.114) joined ##slackware. [23:44] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-56-116.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:44] Blue-Slacker86, well that kernel 2.6.32 is from -current... [23:44] the correct one for 13.0 is 2.6.29.6-smp [23:45] so I'm guessing you used slackpkg with a -current mirror to upgrade kernel at some point in the past, and then upgraded to 13.0 later [23:46] dive: and my kde upgraded to kde4.2.4 from kde 4.3.4 [23:46] dive: what do now ? [23:46] Blue-Slacker86, decide which version of slackware you want to run, point /etc/slackpkg/mirrors at it and upgrade-all [23:47] also install-new and clean-system [23:48] 13.0 should have kde 4.3.1 I think [23:48] i would not use an automated program of any kind to update slackware from 12.2 to 13 or whatever [23:48] dive: 4.2.4 [23:49] 1) patrick recommends init level 1 when doing this (read UPGRADE.TXT) [23:49] BP{k}, I probably updated manually then [23:49] 2) the fewer open files in use, the better. sometimes it's even better (if you can) to boot with "Linux emergency" or whatever (read man init) to get as few things running as is possible [23:49] Delahunt, who is talking about 12.2 -> 13.0? [23:49] "or whatever" [23:49] i tried 12.1 to 12.2. I failed. [23:50] case in point, i've seen rpm-based systems break because they're in full blown X upgrading X or something important (mandriva is the only one i can comment on thus far) [23:50] I slackpkg every time [23:50] just my 2 cents though, feel free to do it however [23:50] usually just shut off X and do it in init 3 [23:50] Action: Delahunt will test the "lsof" theory of how many files are open some time [23:50] erk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:51] Blue-Slacker86 (~blue@217.219.147.114) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:51] right now i'm trying to install slackware on my netbook 4gb but this time with the whole "align to erase stripe" theories he has read online about how this improves performance [23:51] s/he/i/ [23:51] s/has/have/ [23:51] Action: Delahunt thought he had started that line with /me [23:53] erk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [23:55] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:55] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:56] hey if one can align ext4 for the erase stripe width on solid state drives, could one also ask it to try to align itself with the stripe width on a sata for the size that is optimum for that drive? (it's sort of like head/sector aligning but not really) [23:56] maybe i didn't say any of that right; hold on [23:57] http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligning-filesystems-to-an-ssds-erase-block-size/ [23:57] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: peace [23:57] would any of that possibly apply to a sata mechanical hard drive? (since i know raid0 finds the stripe size that is optimum for the drive) [23:57] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:58] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-49-5.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon Feb 15 2010