[00:00] I'd volunteer to help but I haven't owned a printer in 3-4 years, not sure I'd be very helpful :( [00:01] last time I did set up a printer on slackware it was pretty easy to do with the CUPS web interface [00:01] apparently slackpkg wasn't installed in the distro, i've downloaded the tar file. how do i install it [00:01] eross: It should have a readme [00:02] How you install depends on if that tarball is sources or a Slackware package [00:02] uva (i=bono@220-136-225-64.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] Whoever suggested hp-setup, that errors out with something about CUPSEXT not being able to be loaded. [00:05] FriedBob, then you don't have a full install then :) [00:05] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:06] and so yes, that would totally be an indicator why printing is not working [00:06] Old_Fogie: I did a full install of everything that wasn't X and XAP [00:06] Howdy. Anyone got some good multi-line bash prompts they want to share for the new book? [00:06] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:06] Or colored prompts? [00:06] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Heya Alan_Hicks. LTNC [00:06] FriedBob: Indded. [00:07] Come on people. This is your chance to have your bash prompt immortalized in the Slackbook! [00:07] heh [00:07] wait a sec [00:07] s/dd/de/ [00:07] Alan_Hicks: Mine is default. :/ [00:07] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:07] I need to get these &^%$$#% printers working before I worry about pimping my bash. [00:08] Old_Fogie: So what package would these missing things be in? [00:08] FriedBob, right, how can you load hp-setup which is a graphical tool, without X [00:08] No one mentioned X when they mentioned that thing. [00:08] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] it links to sane [00:09] I mentioned hplip [00:09] how would I know you didnt do x or xap :) [00:09] xsane too it needs [00:09] supergear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] Old_Fogie: I don't know.. the million and one times I have said I don't use X in here? ;) [00:09] oh you're right, .. [00:10] Action: Old_Fogie updates his FriedBob kjots configuration file for future use :) [00:10] pastebin.ca is damn slow tonight... [00:10] http://pastebin.ca/1307822 [00:10] been using that prompt for like 7 or 8 years [00:10] FriedBob, seriously tho, get that hplip workign, it's worth it [00:10] So, with this setup tool out of the question and that matter settled.. [00:10] Old_Fogie: Is hplip an X based tool? [00:10] it's nothing really special, but I like it [00:10] FriedBob, even if you use blackbox, get it working it's nice to hae the inkleves [00:10] Baz_ (n=baz@c-67-160-118-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] FriedBob, yes [00:11] Not going to happen. [00:11] hey guys, I just bought 4 drives that I want to RAID (dmraid) - does this sound about right: /boot RAID1, / RAID5, /home RAID5, swap no RAID? [00:11] dmraid is bad [00:11] you want mdraid [00:11] This is a 700mhz Celeron withat most 128 mb ram, and I think less than that. [00:11] mdadm! [00:11] straterra: seriously? [00:11] but yes..that sounds fine :P [00:12] FriedBob, a 266 can run blackbox and hplip really fast [00:12] as long as boot is a raid 1 [00:12] also..make 4 swap partitions the same size [00:12] FriedBob, it's only 60 mb ram in black box with X, (not sure what hplip takes) [00:12] give them all the same priority..and its basically a raid 0 raid [00:12] Old_Fogie: Still, I'm not going to install all that crap just for a damn printer. I shouldn't have to. [00:12] FriedBob, just slap in X, blackbox and use xterm to launch the hp-setup [00:13] straterra: one wierd question during the setup of my mirrored /boot partition is how many partitions i want to make "active" and how many I want as "spare" [00:13] factotum (n=mike@24-247-105-121.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] hmm [00:13] FriedBob, well then read the cups guides, what can I tell you [00:13] well [00:13] straterra: why wouldn't i make all 4 "active" thereby getting 4x the read speed and all the redundancy? [00:13] Old_Fogie: I've been reading them. [00:14] you wont get 4x the read speed [00:14] linux raid isnt that smart..it wont do reading like that [00:14] night all [00:14] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [00:14] miss u [00:14] you CAN make all 4 active [00:14] i would [00:14] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:14] but..it'll only read from one at a time [00:15] straterra: hmmm, that is very silly [00:15] straterra: if all 4 active that means 3 drives can fail and i am ok right? [00:15] actually..lots of hardware raid cards do the same [00:15] correct..BUT..thats just for boot [00:15] if you lose 3..you lost your raid 5's [00:16] all of mine are active and bootable so i can stand to loose the main disk [00:16] straterra: oh right [00:16] straterra: ho do i change the "priority" of the swap partition [00:16] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@c-68-54-237-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:17] in fstab [00:17] also the every /boot partition should have the bootaqble flag, right? [00:17] supergear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:18] bootable flag means nothing [00:18] straterra: oh? why is it there [00:18] For DOS bootloaders [00:19] qw__ (i=bono@220-136-225-206.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] straterra: ewww [00:19] so are u serious about mdraid? [00:20] FriedBob, can you pastebin the cupsd.conf file? [00:20] its much better? [00:20] Old_Fogie: I can try, my KVM broke my mouse, but let me see what I can do. [00:20] k [00:20] bb in 2min corr FriedBob [00:20] bono (i=bono@118-160-170-69.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:21] if i have 4 raid5 rives, that means only 1 can fail right? [00:21] where's a good place online to find motherboards ? I'd like to find one that supports 125W CPUs well and also supports more than 8GB of memory... [00:21] bono (i=bono@118-160-165-77.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] rk4n3: newegg.com [00:22] Baz_: yes..but if you have one as a hot spare.. [00:22] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Alan_Hicks: they're not too bad, but they seem a little slim right now ... I can't seem to find an AM2+ mobo that supports more than 8GB there [00:23] jkwood_ (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Old_Fogie: http://pastebin.com/m104d9ebf [00:23] rk4n3: You're gonna have a real hard problem finding that anywhere. [00:23] I've been poking in the webadmin, and it's changed it quite a it from what I first had. [00:23] i guess i do have pkgtool and installpkg, but the paths aren't set up in the user i created [00:24] rk4n3: tigerdirect.com [00:24] straterra: so in dmraid i should make 3 active and 1 spare? [00:24] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-213-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] i would [00:24] tigerdirect.com can blow me. [00:24] straterra: cool [00:24] eross: have to run those as root [00:24] was thinking of doing sudo [00:25] clavius: user's can run them anyway [00:25] can't [00:25] rk4n3: You need this board to be standard ATX or is EATX ok? [00:25] I've tried both newegg and tigerdirect - something's up with both of them, they're most expensive AM2+ mobo is like $159 ... it makes me think they're not stocking the better stuff right now for some reason ... [00:25] rk4n3: They don't stock the better stuff because it doesn't sell to their userbase. [00:25] Alan_Hicks: I'd prefer ATX [00:25] rk4n3: You're not gonna find over 8GB of RAM in an ATX mobo. [00:26] Alan_Hicks: I suppose that's true to some extent, but they've had $300+ boards for the last couple years, been looking regularly and it just seemed to drop off recently [00:26] forgive my ignorance but is the /boot only used during boot, or is it also used later on? [00:26] rk4n3: How many processors and how many cores per processor? [00:27] Alan_Hicks: I'm looking to do one of those new Phenom II quad-core chips - just one will do [00:27] I doubt you're going to find 8+GB boards for ANYTHING AM2 [00:27] qw__ (i=bono@220-136-225-206.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:27] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Yeah, you'd have to go to socket F. [00:28] yup [00:28] hmmm ... well, I suppose Opteron would be a good way to go anyway... [00:28] If you go Opteron, getting boards that support 128GB of RAM isn't difficult. [00:29] You're just gonna pay through the nose for them. [00:29] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Indeed [00:29] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] for everything [00:29] the memory..the cpu..the motherboard [00:29] FriedBob, I'm pretty sure your 'Deny From All' in on line 13 is messing you up [00:29] OK, I'll check that route out ... see how deep the rabbit hole goes [00:29] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] It goes deep. [00:30] Very [00:30] FriedBob, you have deny from all in access to the server [00:30] Once you start with server hardware... [00:30] rk4n3: http://tinyurl.com/8nsd5r [00:30] Note that's EATX, and all boards with over 8GB are gonna be EATX. [00:30] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:31] Alan_Hicks: OK, cool - thanks [00:31] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:32] guess it's easier to run as root, I take it not all mirrors will have the same updated version? [00:32] Can someone here help me understand dbus? #dbus is dead [00:32] Old_Fogie: Default rule that is then overriden by the two allow rules? Doesn't it work the same as like iptables etc did? [00:32] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [00:32] There are two right? a system and a session? [00:32] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:33] douglasjam (n=douglasj@189.12.116.207) joined ##slackware. [00:33] rk4n3: You'll also need a PSU that support 8-pin power. [00:33] hi [00:33] slackware appear more with ubuntu/BSD family? [00:33] FriedBob, I'm pretty sure it stops at that...deny all [00:34] FriedBob, I dont believe it will go to next line. [00:34] Old_Fogie: I commented it out, and restarted cups [00:34] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] Still no dice. [00:35] somebody answer [00:35] Alan_Hicks: yeah, I'm looking at that ... its all adding up :) [00:35] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:35] douglasjam: Your question doesn't even make sense. [00:35] FriedBob, make sure you see cups listenting to by the way, 'netstat -ntap' show it listening on 127.0.0.1:631 if you did localhost, or ..well see what it says. oh do you have iptables running on it, could it block it.? [00:36] I can access the web admin no problem. [00:36] slackware looks like more than ubuntu or freebsd? [00:36] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] FriedBob, from localhost, but if your not listening on the external interface, like 192.168.1.XXX:631 you'r other pc's wont see it [00:37] douglasjam: Well, it's hardly anything like ubnutu so whatever that means. [00:37] See I don't see anyting in your file that says "Listen 192.168.2.X" [00:37] uva (i=bono@220-136-225-64.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:38] FirI also dont see you listening on "Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock" either [00:38] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:38] The sock line WAS in there, until I started messing with the web admin. [00:39] The sock line still is, actually. [00:39] FriedBob: What seems to be the problem here? [00:39] Line 5 [00:39] Alan_Hicks: I a) can't get my printers to print test pages and b) can't get them seen in Windows. X-less system [00:40] FriedBob, the default cupsd.conf file is in the cups package, you can yank a copy of it out of the package in command line mode, use 'mc' to get the file out, just tap on the tgz to browse the contents, name itsomething like cupsds.orig, then put it in same folder as the new one, run 'sdiff cupsd.orig cupsd.conf' and see the differeneces. default slack is to allow the box to print, but not allow others to share it's printer [00:40] s,but the slack box can use printers on others. that's a good start point. i think you have th elistens wrong. [00:40] Just use lynx. [00:40] FriedBob, I'd focus on getting that box to print first before others to use. [00:41] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [00:41] Are there two dbus's? do we know? [00:41] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-213-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:43] OK, I changed the listen, and I also commented out that deny all. [00:43] is netstat -ntap showing it listening now? [00:43] hiptobecubic http://tinyurl.com/8km2pr [00:45] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:45] It shows tcp6 0 0 :::631 :::* LISTEN 4754/cupsd as its last line. [00:45] are you using IPV6? [00:45] Not that I am aware of. [00:45] Though ifconfig shows both an IPV4 and an IPV6 address [00:45] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.62.51) left irc: "Leaving" [00:45] could I trouble someone for a .conkyrc? I seem to have toasted mine [00:46] Rat409, "This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates." [00:46] sorry [00:46] hiptobecubic: freedesktop.org && searchbox && dbus [00:47] ah, shouldn't really matter (i belive) but I have "Listen 192.168.IP-Server:631" "Listen localhost:631" [00:47] FriedBob, ^^ [00:47] Does anyone have the issue where mounting using sshfs just results in an mtab error? [00:47] to install wine, it would be best to install as sudo, so the .wine folder is not created under the /root ? i tried running installpkg as a user and it's taking a huge dump [00:47] eross, does it feel better? [00:47] FriedBob, I believe it should matter as ip6 is supposed to get wrapped down to ip4 (unless I'm thinking debian a.t.m.) [00:47] Old_Fogie: I'll try it. It can't make thigns worse at this point. [00:47] invitado (n=invitado@189.188.146.147) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:48] douglasjam (n=douglasj@189.12.116.207) left ##slackware. [00:48] when i have control of the terminal again it does :P [00:48] briareus: best i've found personally,but ymwv http://sen7.deviantart.com/art/Conky-Mira-100078939 [00:48] Debian has it's own automated teller machine version? (couldn't resist) [00:48] FriedBob, :) [00:49] FriedBob, your config isn't all that diff than a stock file, except these 3 items I pointed out, I ran kdiff on mine that does have working shareing. [00:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Rat409: not a picture, I need an .conkyrc, but thanks its interesting [00:50] download link then unpack tarball [00:51] FriedBob, fwiw another pc on the lan *should* be able to see port 631 open by nmap done as root on the cups server [00:51] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-220.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:51] meaning ...client onlan as root runs nmap see's door/port 631 open on server FriedBob [00:52] ok for the same price, do i get a laptop with the T8100 core 2 duo (2.1GHz, 3MB L2 cache) with 1 GB system RAM or the T5750 (2GHz, 2MB L2 cache) with 2 GB system RAM? (i don't game, but i do compile software for slackware, etc) [00:52] Old_Fogie: My mac is out in my car, so I just have this machine and a winbox. [00:53] TwinReverb, iirc it'd be better to get that bigger cache [00:53] Old_Fogie: http://pastebin.com/d6119f09 (updated cups.conf) [00:53] FriedBob, ok, but does netstat -ntap or 'nmap you-servers-external-ip-address' run when your on the server itself show as open? [00:54] FriedBob, heh, nothings pasted there :) [00:54] that's what i thought [00:54] does anyone know when/if a 17" laptop is going to be a hinderance? [00:54] ram is so cheap, can always be done later, but a proc is never cheap [00:54] TwinReverb, i hated mine. [00:54] 17" laptop is a monster imo [00:55] I s'pose depends on how mobile you want to be [00:55] Old_Fogie: I must have mistyped then [00:55] TwinReverb, the battery will never keep up. just get a desktop and small laptop (for the same price anyway) [00:55] Old_Fogie, true [00:55] TwinReverb, if you travel at all you'll hate it [00:55] hiptobecubic, i can only afford one machine and it needs to be a laptop [00:55] but ok, 15" then i guess [00:55] Old_Fogie: http://pastebin.com/d61191f09 (updated cups.conf) [00:56] TwinReverb, you can always plug in a monitor no? if you need the real estate if working at the desk no? [00:56] TwinReverb, i'm saying that if you get a lower end desktop and a not huge laptop, you won't be spending any extra [00:56] As for why, I got mad and rm'd it? [00:56] I <3 my 12" G4 PowerBook [00:57] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:57] i don't need display "real estate" [00:57] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] FriedBob, when I said "Listen 192.168.2.IP-Server:631" I meant for you to put in the ip of your server :) [00:57] Action: TwinReverb hunts for a breakfasty MRE [00:57] TwinReverb, i think you'll find that 15 or even less is fine. especially if you're used multiple workspaces [00:57] FriedBob, the IP address that it/the server is on your lan [00:58] FriedBob, while your at it, remove line 4 'port_631' [00:58] Old_Fogie: Oops. So if the slackware box that has cups and such on it is 192.168.2.5, use that? [00:58] FriedBob, yes [00:58] hiptobecubic, i'm addicted to multiple workspaces so i should be good :D [00:58] my current one is 15" [00:58] :D i have a 15" as well. I just plug in my 22.1 flatpanel when i want more space [00:59] i am rarely out and about and thinking "i wish i had a bigger screen" [00:59] Old_Fogie: NOW I am seeing 2entries for cupsd when I run netstat [00:59] I wanted a 12" but they were out at the store when i got this. [00:59] FriedBob, ah good forward motion [00:59] INdeed. [01:00] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] IS anyone using sshfs? I can't seem to get it rolling [01:01] i am [01:01] Still can't do a test page though [01:01] FriedBob, you're right tho, alienbob's does show it with "Order Deny,Allow" first fwiw, but I have that out. He's obviously right and I'm misguided onthat. So apparently it will propogate down the chain [01:02] could I trouble someone for a .conkyrc? I seem to have toasted mine, and the ones I find online are most crap [01:02] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:02] FriedBob, but in essence, it should be workingthen [01:02] Old_Fogie: I'm not too worried about that right now though, unless ithas a major impact. [01:02] FriedBob, home network, behind a firewall with nat? if so not really, heh [01:02] briareus, http://rafb.net/p/k1La5233.html [01:02] thanks hiptobecubic [01:02] briareus, i don't use conky but i like that one [01:03] Old_Fogie: Old_Fogie That's exactly it, w/ half the computers accessing itover wireless [01:03] it's a different style than most, might not be what you're looking for [01:03] FriedBob, well he's usually on in a few more hours from now, you can always ask him then. but is it working now? [01:03] Old_Fogie: But I still can't print a test page [01:04] The instantly takes a status of "stopped" [01:04] FriedBob, have you looked in your logs, or change the 'log level' [01:04] I did change it to debug [01:04] hiptobecubic: THANK YOU, that's about as close as to what I was trying to do anyway before I deleted my file [01:04] briareus, :D no problem [01:04] FriedBob, and? [01:05] I'm seeing a lot of "no authentication data provided" [01:05] Which makes sense, as the webadmin isprinting as anonymous [01:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:06] FriedBob, try to print the web page of the cups interface out from a different tab as a user, see what happens [01:07] FriedBob, I dont use the encryption fwiw on mine, but I'm 'comfy' witht hat [01:07] that [01:07] It's just gonne be me and my wife printing on it [01:07] the encryption is so you use 'https' for the admin pages, I can care less about that for my neeeds [01:08] Why do I need https for it when I can only do it from localhost? [01:09] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) joined ##slackware. [01:09] "shrug" I dont use it [01:09] https over lo seems pointless to me. [01:09] should i remove an older version of qt before doing an installpkg of a newer one? [01:10] eross use upgradepkg [01:10] FriedBob, well it also does it so lan clients have access to the admin pages over the lan, so that's good depending on thenetwork, for my needs not necessary [01:11] Old_Fogie: Right, but if your cups.conf only allows the admin pages to be accessed by localhost, it's a moot point. [01:11] FriedBob, he has an 'lpr' command that prints from the command line tried that at all (cant recall where on the wiki it is) [01:11] FriedBob, true [01:11] FriedBob, I suppose it's to stop local exploits [01:13] One last question for tonight. [01:13] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) joined ##slackware. [01:13] Under the polict defaults for send document etc, it has require user @OWNER @SYSTEM [01:14] Is that what is making the authentication neccassary to print? [01:14] I know you can do this as a test "man radeon | col -b | ul -t dumb | lpr -PHP-Officejet" where the HP-Officejet is the name of the printer I use ..use with yours. [01:14] thats' from man lpr [01:15] FriedBob, have you added users to the lp, plugdev, scanner groups? and logged the users in/out? [01:16] Old_Fogie: I'm doing all this as root and from the cups webadmin (as root) [01:16] I figure no point bothering as a user if I can't get it as root. [01:17] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [01:17] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [01:18] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] FriedBob, have you put the stock cupsd.conf file in /etc/cups and seen if root can print at all that way. he/root should be able too. [01:18] then restart the server. [01:19] Old_Fogie: I'll try that tomorrow. It's after midnight and I have to work in the morning. [01:19] I'm getting too tired to be really functional [01:19] ok, [01:20] Thanks for all the help [01:20] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] FriedBob, yw. sorry we didnt get it :( have a g'night [01:21] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left ##slackware. [01:22] pip (n=ashitaka@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [01:23] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:28] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] can i install gcc 3.X along side 4.X? [01:29] or do i have to replace one with the other? [01:30] SiegeX, there's some monkeying around that needs to be done. [01:30] it's not as eassy as installpkg. [01:31] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:31] sux, I really want to put qemu on this box [01:31] anyone using sbopkg with 12.1? [01:31] but it complains about gcc 4.X and passing --disable-gcc-check breaks during the 'make' [01:31] SiegeX, look at alienbob's site [01:31] SiegeX, he has qemu for slack there, builds scripts and all [01:31] im using his build script [01:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:32] problem is my gcc [01:32] dont recall if 12.1 had gcc 3.X [01:33] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/gcc34/ [01:33] does the xorg.conf file get re-read between logins/logouts if i have modified the inittab file to boot up in runlevel 4 ? [01:33] is slack going to move to ekiga 3.x ? our version seems a bit dated [01:34] Old_Fogie: ahh i see what you meant, thanks [01:34] tank-man, I'll say yes/no to that. I'd log out, then hit bcksp-alt-ctrl to 'zap' the kdm and let it relaunch I find is safer [01:34] SiegeX, yw [01:35] Action: spook is playing with rsnapshot [01:35] its really quite cool [01:36] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) joined ##slackware. [01:37] ya, it truely is [01:38] did ya get the SBo? [01:39] yea it wasnt reading changes to xorg.conf by just loging out to kdm [01:40] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [01:41] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [01:41] I was trying to shrink the extended partition to make the only one primary parition bigger, so I used a USB bootable gparted live stick to do this job [01:41] briareus And so far was so good when partitioning within gparted, and then I pressed the "Apply" button to REALLY start [01:41] everything work out ? [01:42] should i install stuff as a user, sudo user, or root? [01:42] there are 4 steps defined to make that happen to my goal, 1) shrink the /dev/sda5 2) shrink /dev/sda3 which is a exntended partition 3) delete the /dev/sda1 which is an NTFS partitioin 4) merge /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 to get a new NTFS type sda1 which is what I want [01:42] hba (n=hba@189.188.160.203) left irc: "leaving" [01:42] pip: like I said, this is over my head, I've never had to deal with that [01:43] briareus, Okay ,so you are in here. iF you can find one to help me out [01:44] find one what? a chatter? I have no idea who might know that [01:44] pip, so wheres the problem? [01:45] tank-man read what I said [01:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:45] you didn't ask any questions or state an issue [01:46] I want to ge the orinal partitions back [01:46] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [01:46] there are two linux distributions installed on them ,including slackware [01:46] and you already repartitioned it? [01:46] So please help me [01:46] IF you don [01:47] if you don't understand any of my situation ,please feel free to ask me [01:47] did you click the "apply" button? [01:47] by the way, step 1 is backup [01:47] good question. good comment :P [01:48] he said he hit apply already [01:48] I did, I said that [01:48] the process was really happening and got error when step 1 [01:49] So the rest 3 were lefe unperfored at all [01:49] image the disk as it is and start working on getting off what you can [01:49] I think the linux partitions at least one linux is fine [01:49] i have no bash_profile, do i have to create one? [01:49] but the point it the partition table is messed up [01:49] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:50] i cant figure out how to make rsnapshot add a date time stamp instead of a number [01:50] pip try a live-cd with testdisk on it if all else fails [01:50] nullboy image the disk as it is ? [01:50] DATE=`date +%d%m%Y` ? [01:50] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] so when you make it worse you at least have it as it stands [01:50] file="file1"DATE [01:51] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Rat409 please tell me how to use testdisk to restore the disk [01:51] eross: its not that simple [01:51] wait I'm going to relogin here [01:51] its interactive [01:52] pip (n=ashitaka@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: [01:52] pip (n=Ser@59.174.77.233) joined ##slackware. [01:52] spook: where exactly? you mean like daily.0, daily.1 etc? [01:53] you want daily.011309 ? [01:53] Keep talking [01:53] wtf is this [01:53] SiegeX: yes [01:54] nullboy, I just want to resore the partition table, if there is any easy way to make it, I am not sure I can clearly remember that partitions on the disk before that disaster [01:54] I don't think you can without breaking it, it expects those numbers so it knows what to hardlink and what copy over [01:55] pip it scans partitions and sometimes can recover corrupt mbr's,partition tables.but how to depends on what it finds [01:55] SiegeX: yeah i figured that. [01:55] Action: briareus smells a toasted config [01:55] spook: did you get the slackbuilds.org rsnapshot package? [01:55] SiegeX: i'm making the snapshots read-only accessible via samba. [01:55] yeah [01:55] so i wanted to make them slightly more user friendly. [01:55] spook: was the readme and install easy enough to follow? [01:55] whats to install? [01:56] well like the provided scripts etc [01:56] Rat409, well is it a solution in theory that if I can remember the partition table clearly and recreate it with a partition tool like cdisk or fdisk ? [01:56] man rsnapshot, change /etc/rsnapshot.conf, crontab -e and add in hourly daily etc... [01:56] no it shows what it finds and asks to restore. [01:56] Action: SiegeX is the maintainer, and im updating my SBo packages. Now would be a good time to get some feedback on rsnapshot to see if i need to address anything I missed or explain differently [01:56] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [01:57] the linux root partitioin was in /dev/sda6, swap on sda7, /usr on sda8 /var sda9 , and /home on sda10 ,but now there is only sda1 ,sda3(extended) sda5 [01:57] SiegeX: nope. its all pretty self explainatory [01:57] No sda6 ~10 any more [01:57] if you know your partition layout,partition sizes s.b good [01:57] spook: great, thanks [01:57] Rat409, So it's possible a solution [01:58] anyone using sbopkg with slack 12.1 [01:58] right ? [01:58] yup [01:58] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Rat409, But it's very hard to remember, so the TestDisk should work ? [01:59] lol [02:00] its not entering in data its choosing scan and applying a possible soloution [02:00] i never read docs and had no trouble using it [02:01] sysrescuecd has it iirc [02:01] nullboy, Any ideas ? [02:02] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:03] Rat409, Okay suppose it's impossible to get the original partition table back and get the linux to working, I'm sure that before formatting the data on the disk is fine , so how to get the data ? [02:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:03] if there any tool to get the files on it , like Final Data on windows system [02:03] the only valueable thing is the data [02:03] dd can do anything you can force it to do [02:03] i haven't run doze since Me or 98?? [02:03] pip: if it was valuable why didn't you back it up? [02:04] nullboy, I don't have any extra disk to do that [02:04] i booted vista once to see what the default desktop was like [02:04] nullboy, and I trusted gparted [02:04] trusting gparted is no excuse for no backups though [02:05] nullboy: doesn't dd copy empty space also?? [02:05] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] yes [02:05] nullboy, Okay, I took the risk. I just think there should be a way to get the data back ,better get the partition table back [02:05] you want a full image of the disk as it is right now so when you make it worse you can try again [02:05] well theres partimage guesspart etc. [02:06] indeed [02:06] pip: yes there is a way, you need to figure it out [02:07] the partition movement stopped before it made a success and the extended partition hasn't moved toatally [02:07] to be honest with you, i think you're screwed [02:08] Yes, I'm so worried [02:08] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:09] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:09] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [02:09] well testdisk is the best tool i know of other than dedicated forensic recovery disks/distro's [02:10] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [02:10] but i'd image the drive first as nullboy said if at all possible [02:10] Rat409, alright, I am going to use it, it is in the gparted live [02:10] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [02:11] you are almost certain to make it worse [02:11] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:12] nullboy, then what I gotta to do ? [02:13] Okay, a new question, how to get those data back on a disk on which there is no OS avaliable ? [02:13] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:14] you don't need an operating system to save files somewhere [02:14] operating system installed** you just need a livecd and some space somewhere [02:14] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [02:14] maybe get a local guru to help you,like in-person? or a lug member? [02:15] nullboy, there is no guru around, nobody uses linux around me [02:15] nullboy, another thing, how to use dd to get the disk's data ? [02:15] I don't know if the files on the disk are continous [02:16] zonker (i=ebf@hendrix.ebfulton.com) left irc: "BitchX: need we say more?" [02:19] pip dd if=/dev/hdXXXXYYYZZZ of=/some-place-safe (must be of equal size, unless you play with piping to gzip on the way) read man dd [02:20] change the /dev/hdXXXYYYZZZ to whatever the dev is that you're backing up [02:20] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BB8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:20] morning [02:21] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.43.100) joined ##slackware. [02:21] morno [02:21] hello slackytude :) [02:21] Action: slackytude drinks coffee [02:21] yo Old_Fogie [02:21] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74ee94.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [02:21] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74ee94.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:21] heya tewmten [02:21] yo slackytude [02:21] another nice morning at work [02:21] coffee, something to eat, maybe some orange juice, too [02:22] [ in bed ] :) [02:22] Action: tewmten sips some espresso and watches his scripts do his job for him [02:22] just -8 C outside. almost time for summer clothing [02:22] Old_Fogie, bah [02:22] it's cold as heck here too [02:22] not that bad here, its around 5 C [02:22] http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=93003&searchType=WEATHER [02:22] 8F hee [02:23] damn [02:23] thats.. I dont know [02:23] wind chill, -20 [02:23] we've got some nice big waves lining up for firday and saturday [02:23] metric of gtfo you imperialistic swine! :P [02:23] Old_Fogie, whats that in a non gibberish unit? [02:23] :P [02:23] hahaha [02:23] nullboy, bastard [02:23] :D [02:24] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:24] http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=8F+in+C [02:24] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [02:24] slackytude, -27.5c [02:24] ;) [02:24] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:24] that site is hilarious, letmegooglethatforyou.. hehe [02:25] Old_Fogie, O_o [02:25] Old_Fogie, where are you, siberia? [02:25] 8 degrees Fahrenheit = -13.3333333 degrees Celsius [02:26] windchill , less my gcalctool is off here [02:26] hm.. I wonder if I can get my manager to pay for a bunch of demotivator posters from despair.com :D [02:26] slackytude, practically, we getting barragged by the global warming from canada [02:27] Old_Fogie, thats friggin cold. we had those temps last week. [02:27] no fun [02:27] yeah my heating bill is going to be horrible this month for sure [02:27] Action: slackytude nods [02:28] anyone seen this http://raid-monitor.mihosoft.eu/ ? [02:28] I bought my family fire wood for christmas this year ^-^ [02:28] lol [02:28] yeah fireplaces are nice. [02:28] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) left irc: "Leaving" [02:29] Action: slackytude nods [02:30] now, january is halfway done and most of the wood is gone already [02:30] heh, no doubt [02:30] that's the only thing with fireplaces, they are very "hungry" [02:30] he hehe you said wood [02:30] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) joined ##slackware. [02:30] especially with temps like these [02:30] eross, so? [02:31] slackytude, it was a beavis n butthead reference [02:31] oh man you stifled the joke [02:31] Action: Old_Fogie is hip! he knew that [02:31] :) [02:32] heh [02:32] boss aint here today and the rest of the week [02:32] so, its party time [02:32] Woodstoves, or fireplace inserts [02:32] it's been close to two hours, QT still compiling [02:33] eross, which qt version? how fast the pc? [02:33] Or compiling OT ca heat up a place too [02:33] yeah, qt4 takes 2 - 2 1/2 hours fomr my macine, too [02:33] takes me about 8 :) [02:33] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@221.226.45.131) left irc: Connection timed out [02:34] the latest stable, 4 i guess. it's running on virtualbox, 32bit slackware on 64bit ubuntu host [02:34] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:34] I dont like 64 bit, it's twice the errors of 32 bit [02:34] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [02:34] lol [02:34] hahha [02:34] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:35] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] time for another cup of coffee [02:35] here here! [02:35] so, what are you chaps up to on this fine day? [02:35] does samba server follow symlinks in shared directories? [02:36] backporting hal from 12.2 and freetype, dbus, udev to 12.1 [02:36] spook, yes [02:36] sorry to hear about the cold temps up here, i'm in florida and it's 47 F [02:36] *up there [02:36] Action: Old_Fogie throws a snowball towards eross ...eat this! :) [02:36] 47 man..I wish [02:36] this is too cold [02:37] it's so cold, the snow is saying 'brrrr' [02:37] Nick change: SiegeX -> execbot [02:37] yeah foot of snow on ground too, and got another 3" on top of it, adn about 6-12" tomorrow [02:37] Nick change: execbot -> SiegeX [02:38] Old_Fogie, lots of compiling [02:38] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] dont have much snow in this part. [02:38] kinda lucky this year [02:38] slackytude, yup, I like to keep two versions of slack going. Some boxes just dont have a good X for a given video card, etc [02:39] makes you wish the climate change would hurry up 99/ [02:39] slackytude, I do have kde-3.5.10 backported already tho [02:39] heh, Im still on 12.1 for my lappy. my mom is the only one on 12.2 for now [02:39] tank-man: sure? [02:39] slackytude, yea I wont have 12.2 out to others for a while (well, except on 10 netbooks) :) [02:39] but they're imaged..so it doesnt matter. they're all clones. [02:40] yes, i make symlinks all the time cause im too lazy to run s.w.a.t. or edit the config [02:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] tank-man: awesome. [02:41] isnt there something you have to enable first? follow-symlinks=true or stuff? [02:42] or am I thinking about apache [02:42] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:42] Action: slackytude ponders [02:42] slackytude, yeah there's something like that in samba, I forget the actual command,but that's about it yup [02:42] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] tho midnight commander doesnt like it tho [02:43] over samba,...again another reason I use nfs [02:43] nfs is nice [02:43] so much faster I find [02:43] depends. Ive seen a lot of pretty bad NFS setups [02:43] and it keeps perms..which samba can do..but then makes samba crawl [02:44] samba has a lot of better autehticating stuff [02:44] bah, security is over rated [02:44] :) [02:44] samba supports pam even [02:44] nfs does too though [02:45] I get about double the speed with nfs then samba (enforcing perms such as 0644 in lieu of setting the xbit on everythhig) [02:46] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [02:46] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:47] well, samba is a protocol with lot of overhead [02:47] kinda over designed [02:47] nfs is simple [02:47] yup, has the trojan, spyware, virrii protocols support :) [02:49] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:49] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. 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[03:14] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:14] Ongavezir kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: -NOEINTELLIGENCE [03:14] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:15] ? [03:16] NOEINTELLIGENCE [03:16] thats bad [03:16] heh [03:17] you can see spirits were high when he got banned. you dont often see a ban msg ALL IN CAPS [03:17] hey this is nice http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-awk1.html [03:18] what did he do? [03:18] mrselfpwn, I guess he hadnt enough intelligence [03:18] i guess not [03:19] I always liked awk [03:19] and also http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-sed1.html [03:19] i missed it [03:19] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] ibm has nice documentation [03:19] yeah [03:19] hi :) [03:20] Dotplom (n=chatzill@host-84-221-69-24.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [03:21] y0 Camarade_Tux [03:21] hey slackytude \o/ [03:22] hello i have 2 pc with linux and is there a way to create a single software PC? [03:22] hows it going? [03:22] is there a kernel patch to create a grid with 2 or more pc? [03:22] pip (n=Ser@unaffiliated/pip) got netsplit. [03:22] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) got netsplit. [03:22] pip (n=Ser@59.174.77.233) returned to ##slackware. [03:22] Dotplom, single software pc? [03:23] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) returned to ##slackware. [03:23] i can get hardware from each computer to assembly a signle pc [03:23] i would like to make a pico grid [03:23] so the kernel can dispatch processes to the other pc [03:25] clustering [03:25] a cluster ok but not for a dedicated application [03:26] yes there is a way [03:26] there is a distro based off knopix i believe [03:26] slackytude, alright, I have an exam in 50 minutes :) [03:26] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.45) joined ##slackware. [03:26] Camarade_Tux, godspeed! [03:26] that is made specifically for that [03:26] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-169-219.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:26] Camarade_Tux, what course? [03:26] so the kernel is shared between the 2 pc [03:27] hmm [03:27] looks like you want something like plan9 [03:27] let me get the link for you [03:27] and i can compile in parallel mode without the use of an utility like distcc [03:27] then you can check it [03:27] thanks [03:27] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [03:28] HughCock (n=mark@69.177.67.170) joined ##slackware. [03:28] i found this http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Kernels/MOSIX-Grid-and-Cluster-Management-23125.shtml [03:28] slackware doesn't have a package manager correct? [03:28] yes it does [03:29] but it's pretty basic [03:29] it doesn't have a babysitter though [03:29] http://www.mosix.org/ [03:29] have a look at the pkgtools package [03:29] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [03:29] I _think_ its called.. [03:29] wait... it comes with a package manager, and repositories and such? [03:29] hey dtanner [03:29] slackytude, (light) quantum/statistical physics, shouldn't be hard :) [03:29] i thought the point of slackware was to download and compile stuff... do your own dependencies [03:29] slackytude, and how is it going for you ? [03:30] HughCock: no that's more the way of Linux From Scratch :P [03:30] hey tewmten [03:30] Camarade_Tux, still fine. 2 1/2 weeks befor exams start O_o [03:31] rid computing and massively parallel processors though he mainly focuses on clustering. [03:31] tewmten: hows it going on your side of this rock ? [03:31] s/rid/grid [03:31] http://www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-409#more-402 [03:31] check out that link [03:31] dtanner: oh its fine, slowly doing my work, sipping my espresso =) [03:32] tewmten: you are in sweden iirc ? [03:32] dtanner: I was, I moved to Netherlands two years ago [03:32] oh snap, I just deployed a new server in our infrastructure in three minutes :D [03:32] wish i had an expresso , i coldn't sleep, eveyrone else in the house is snoring loudly right now =) [03:32] Action: tewmten loves VMware ESX [03:32] twemhow do you like the netherlands ? [03:33] dtanner: yeah its a nice place [03:33] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:33] smoke the bud against the law tewmten ? [03:34] no its legal here :D [03:34] erh yeah, "legal" :) [03:34] slackytude, well, good luck with your exams ;) [03:34] Action: Camarade_Tux has to hurry [03:34] Camarade_Tux, heh, yeah, for you to [03:34] =0 [03:34] I want to come visit you , can I crash at your place ? [03:34] sure thing [03:34] cool [03:34] I got sofas =) [03:35] sofas work [03:36] damn I love VMware Virtual Appliances :D [03:36] i crashed at 19:00 pm tonight , already had about 7 hours sleepp and I just woke up, guess i will fool around on this puter and install a few things on this fresh shiny new 12.2 installation [03:36] I just made a basic linux install, make a small script to do some configs [03:36] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] what is vmware ESX ? [03:36] i need to install vmware [03:36] the infrastructure suite, aimed at data centers [03:37] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] openknoppix? [03:37] I just give this script a hostname and the ip address of the server, then all configuration is done, and bam! new server in our network =) [03:37] did you watch it? [03:37] you can skip ahead in the show dotplom [03:37] tewmten: don't ya have to "fool" vmware by mkdir rc0.d , rc1.d and such ? [03:38] dtanner: yeah with the vmware server things etc [03:38] dtanner: however ESX is what they call a "hypervisor" [03:38] dtanner: it's like an VMware OS, so you get better virtualisation etc [03:39] then you connect to it using their tools and you can easily manage servers, resources, do some pretty cool stuff in the networking etc [03:39] dtanner: but it's not really for home users, as I said, it's more datacenter infrastructure stuff [03:39] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [03:39] tewmten: so vmware esx is better in your opinion than standard vmware? you can have virtual appliances with esx ? [03:39] yea [03:40] Dotplom (n=chatzill@host-84-221-69-24.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]" [03:40] sweet [03:40] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:40] it starts at about 25:00 minutes Dotplom [03:40] for home use vmware server or desktop will do, but if you're doing production setups with many hosts etc, ESX really makes your life easier [03:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:40] ClusterKnoppix [03:40] I see , noted in my cheat file [03:41] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] dtanner: also, they have this version called ESXi, which is like a "liteweight" version that doesnt contain all the fancyness, but it's free and it's still damned good [03:42] Dotplom, ClusterKnoppix and OpenMosix [03:42] thanks tewmten , for the vmware tips [03:42] yeah sure thing =) [03:45] huepf (n=a@e179148104.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [03:45] tewmten: which file sharing gui do you use ie: bittorrent client , or p2p like limewire frostwire etc etc ? [03:46] bug : the mkinitrd manpage says "the kernel default will be used (which is usually fine)", but on 12.2 it ain't: the initrd fails trying to mount the nonexistent /dev/root on /mnt, so i have to use mkinitrd -r /dev/hda1 [03:46] dtanner: I use transmission for bittorrent, http://www.transmissionbt.com/ [03:47] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:47] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:47] Action: spook is playing with link aggregation [03:48] spook, did you sleep well ? :p [03:48] Camarade_Tux, already done? O_o [03:48] Camarade_Tux, better hurry [03:48] slackytude, nah, I have to leave in 15 minutes :) [03:49] ^-^ [03:49] esom (n=Administ@58.47.110.12) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:55] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-98-219-216-160.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:56] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [03:57] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Dotplom, did that site help at all? [03:59] Action: dtanner fires up a nice cigar [04:00] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [04:00] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:00] Action: huepf starts the btpd as he tsktsks at the transmission screenshots [04:01] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [04:01] btpd ? [04:01] the bittorrent protocol daemon (at slackbuilds.org) [04:03] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: ""first time I'm not completely late ! \o/"" [04:03] huepf, sounds good [04:05] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:05] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:05] Would you guys say that WD hard drives are the best? [04:05] i did a search at slackbuilds.org but i can't find bptd [04:05] i personally use Maxtor [04:05] Hitachi are good. [04:05] never ha one go bad in over 10 years of use now [04:06] had* [04:06] dtanner: Maxtors, right? [04:06] yup [04:06] RLa (n=rlaanemt@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [04:06] where can i find a large collection of engineering ebooks? [04:06] I have the WD Raptor in my desktop [04:06] Basically, I'm looking ot get a RAID-1 enclosure with two 500GB hard drives [04:06] 10000rpm [04:06] is it possible to retrieve the list of installed packages? [04:06] maybe a 1TB hard drivers [04:06] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:06] i have never used them but people say good things aboutu wd also [04:06] mrselfpwn: How does it run? [04:06] slackbuilds doesn't have the bee pee tee dee, but it has the bee tee pee dee [04:06] It has ran well thus far [04:07] mrselfpwn: How long have you had it for? [04:07] (i did not do full install) [04:07] february 2007 i think [04:07] huepf: can you make a screenshot of it running more than 1 torrent? if its not that much to ask.. [04:08] i did have 1 problem with it, though it was more my fault [04:08] huepf: thanks [04:08] I broke the plastic piece where the sata connector slides in and had to super glue it [04:08] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:09] :) [04:09] now every video file i download off the interne [04:09] t turns in to an old episode of Perfect Strangers for some reason. [04:09] Alright, well I'm gonna have to do some research here ... [04:10] see which one to go with... jees.. [04:10] So many options, I really dont' know what to pick [04:10] pick your nose [04:11] :) [04:11] pick your wedgie [04:11] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) got netsplit. [04:11] give someone a wedgie [04:11] [ in bed ] [04:11] lol [04:12] :D [04:12] RLa, pkgtool -> View or ls /var/log/packages [04:12] you're supposed to add that line after reading a fortune cookie [04:12] AbortRet1yFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) joined ##slackware. [04:12] slackytude, thanks! [04:13] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) returned to ##slackware. [04:13] RLa, no need to thank me [ in bed ] [04:13] installpkg [in bed] [04:13] RLa, you might want to check out http://slackbook.org [04:14] grep log [in bed] [04:14] i just had too little disk (flash card actually) space and i installed 'a' packages and later packages by need [04:15] just wanted to write down what packages i needed so later its easier to reinstall [04:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:16] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:16] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] too bad that minimal package set does not include basic network tools (inetd and netconfig scripts) [04:17] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:18] ls -l /var/log/packages/ | awk '{print $8}' | lp [04:19] this prints around 8 to 12 pages ^-^ [04:20] maybe even more [04:20] uh :) [04:20] sahko: here you go http://imagebin.ca/view/kctQoLp.html [04:20] for a full install + some custom packages [04:20] i would have done full install if i had bigger disk [04:21] on my laptop i'm currently using i did full install [04:22] get a bigger flash card :P [04:22] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [04:23] i have external usb disk as well but i did not want to scatter the install around many drives [04:23] huepf: interesting. thanks a lot [04:24] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:24] huepf, season 6 was good [04:25] once i had install grown onto 4 physical drives because / part had became full over many years, it was nightmare when drives started to die [04:25] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [04:25] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.129.216) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:26] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.182.227) joined ##slackware. [04:26] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [04:26] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@122.55.121.191) joined ##slackware. [04:28] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [04:28] tremmolow (n=tremmolo@91.110.162.167) joined ##slackware. [04:30] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:31] having problems running compiz on slack 12.2 the compiz package is included in the installation dvd right? I've succesfully installed my video card ATI Mobility HD 3470 but I can't get it to work I've tried all the advices from google but still, nothing. [04:31] anyone know a good program to release memory that other programs are trying to hang onto? [04:32] drop_caches? [04:32] ? [04:33] ok looking into it [04:34] where can i find a large collection of engineering ebooks? [04:34] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:34] in #offtopic [04:34] ;) [04:34] I dunno really [04:34] there's a whole site devoted to memory management now that really is targeted http://linux-mm.org/ [04:35] Anybody uses raid enclosures (RAID-1) for their back-ups? [04:35] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:35] I never knew that existed [04:35] :( [04:35] I'm planning on purchasing 2 Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drives and trying to figure out which RAID enclosure to get [04:35] tremmolow: They do and they are awesome :) [04:38] what is the correct way to prevent module loading (with default and wrong parameters) since blacklisting is broken on slackware? [04:39] thank you tremmolow [04:39] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:41] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@122.55.121.191) left irc: "Leaving" [04:43] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:43] is it a good speed to burn an os at 4x (5mbs/s)? [04:44] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [04:44] Gargantua I've seen slow burning recommended many times [04:44] I've never really had issues with normal burn speeds though [04:44] same [04:45] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [04:45] why would one be concerned about burn speed if the verify checks out at the end? [04:46] People used to say slow burns would last longer. [04:46] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:47] alkos333: if theres a 640GB with a 5 year warranty GET IT! [04:47] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Zordrak: Actually.. I think I'm gonna get 1TB [04:47] I have CDs burnt at 48x in 2000 that still work fine though. [04:47] I already have TB [04:47] alkos333: in any case get their enterprise sata with 5yr [04:47] Action: hiptobecubic coughs violently [04:48] Zordrak: Yes, this one has a 5-year warranty [04:48] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284 [04:48] hiptobecubic: /me has about 3TB at home -- but in *multiple* disks [04:48] alkos333: cool [04:48] wtf, blacklisting is broken on every distribution? [04:48] time to switch back to windows? [04:48] Zordrak: Right. Do you run RAID 0? [04:48] used to [04:49] decided it wasnt worth it [04:49] is there an info bot in here? [04:49] Zordrak: Yes, ones shits out and you are done :) [04:49] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:49] not to mention the wasted money and the fact the performance gain isnt THAT good [04:50] Anyway, I need a goot RAID enclosure with USB 2.0 and eSATA and a RAID-1 support [04:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:50] Zordrak: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817332018 [04:50] This is the one I'm leaning towards [04:50] for 2x disk cost your better to buy a more expensive and faster disk [04:51] Zordrak: Yes, the performance gain is very meager [04:51] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Not something i know about -- not till your talking enterprise 3TB+ RAID6 [04:51] :) [04:51] Alright [04:51] RLa (n=rlaanemt@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:51] raid6 ftw btw :) [04:52] MasterX831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-225-104.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:52] Remember what the doormouse said: "Feed your head!" [04:52] I've only just got my first 250G drive. My data needs must be very meagre compared to some :) [04:53] tremmolow: very :) [04:53] yes [04:53] i need a bigger drive [04:53] I only have a 150 [04:53] a bigger drive isn't the answer [04:53] i want another raptor 10k rpm, [04:53] the answer is always MORE drives :D [04:53] tremmolow: When each HD movie is about 5GB on average, your space needs increase dramatically :) [04:54] yeah, i need another one [04:54] yeah [04:54] I wish I'd bought a 1TB really as I saw one for £66 soon after my purchase :( [04:54] mrselfpwn: I HAVE a raptorII -- i WANT a velociRaptor :) [04:54] I remember when i got my first 10gig hard drive [04:54] alkos333 it's video that really makes the difference [04:54] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:54] Zordrak: velociRaptor is by Seagate? [04:54] i was like, HELL YEAH [04:54] tremmolow: Yep, indeed. [04:55] mrselfpwn: hehehe [04:55] mrselfpwn, i have an 80 meg hd lying around here somewhere [04:55] hiptobecubic: IF you have good enough heat dissipation! i have too many boxes, too many disks and WAY too much heat [04:55] tremmolow: We got a 7.1 surround sysmte with an HD ready projector here... [04:55] alkos333: ?!?!? [04:55] I'm more into music which used to be an issue but now it's very cheap to store [04:55] Zordrak: ah that velociRaptor comment of yours [04:55] 09:54:43 < alkos333> Zordrak: velociRaptor is by Seagate? [04:55] tremmolow: Got that, too :) [04:55] O_o [04:55] WD [04:56] tremmolow: 320kbs... [04:56] add up as well [04:56] mrselfpwn: Thanks! [04:56] mrselfpwn: ahh.. the legendary 300GB one? [04:56] 10000rpm [04:56] i think [04:56] 2.5" [04:57] 300GB [04:57] 10krpm [04:57] mm [04:57] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136260&Tpk=WD%20300GB%20VelociRaptor [04:57] i would be happy with just one of those for now [04:57] That's the only thing with technology purchases in general. You always see how you could have got twice as much if had waited 6 months. That's abad feeling. [04:57] better than RAID0 raptorIIs IIRC [04:57] Zordrak: yes, so it's a 2.5" in a 3.5" case [04:57] huepf (n=a@e179148104.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "relocating to have Ludwig fondle the speakers" [04:58] no [04:58] 2.5" disk in a 3.5" heatsink [04:58] ah.. ok [04:58] makes sense [04:59] I'd love a baby like this inside of my thinkpad though :) [04:59] That would be crazy [04:59] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:00] :*( my lappy went kerplunk [05:00] is Slackboy an infobot? [05:00] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:00] alkos333: no point [05:00] tremmolow, more like a ban bot [05:00] Oh ok [05:00] lol [05:00] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [05:00] is there an info bot? no right? [05:00] Zordrak: why so? It would dramatically speed up my system [05:00] he informs you why your are banned tho [05:00] alkos333: would still be siwited by other bottlenecks [05:01] how can i test for my upload limit? [05:01] because it would be pretty great to have one that told you soemthing urls pasted in here [05:01] Zordrak, y0 [05:01] something about* [05:01] why? [05:01] slackytude: sup? [05:01] Zordrak, got ldap adressbook running yesterday ^-^ [05:01] Zordrak: I have T60 1953-E7U [05:01] slackytude: cool [05:02] Zordrak, yeah, dumped everything from the database into ldif files and added them with ldapadd. not sure if thats the best way, but sure was the quickest [05:02] yah.. thats about the sanest way [05:02] Zordrak, do you know if ldap can handle special chars? like öüä [05:02] alkos333: afaik, yes.. but test or google [05:03] alkos333: laptop mobos are designed a bit differntly [05:03] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [05:03] slackytude: afaik, yes.. but test or google [05:03] Zordrak, alrite [05:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] back later [05:04] tremmolow (n=tremmolo@91.110.162.167) left irc: "Leaving" [05:04] alkos333: you'd be lucky if the southbridge would even talk to it unless it was *built* to handle the speed [05:04] alkos333: im not saying it *wont* work... [05:05] alkos333: but you're better off buying kit DESIGNED to do what you ask of it [05:05] alkos333: whigh is also a tautology that applies to software [05:05] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@adsl-235-225-104.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:06] Alright :) [05:06] dont force sth to fit your needs... use something designed to do what you want it to do [05:07] by the 5th painful hack to software.. you're using the wrong software [05:07] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] :) [05:08] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:10] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) joined ##slackware. [05:12] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.45) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Zordrak: I'll allow you 3 hacks point the point is good. [05:13] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:13] alicephilippa: I had to say 5 to allow for RT :) [05:14] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [05:15] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [05:15] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:15] Well... RT is another issue TBH. But IMO in general more than 3 you've got it wrong. [05:15] mwend (n=lrenyah@120.162.249.158) joined ##slackware. [05:17] Action: dive is sshing from cygwin installed on a usb stick to screen running irc on laptop :) [05:17] how many geek points to I get? [05:17] haha [05:17] dive: eeewwwwwwwwwwwwww cygwin! [05:18] now I can take the usb stick around friends and annoy them with it ;) [05:18] dive: stick HawkPE on it then just boot slax :) [05:18] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:19] dive: and for the annoyance of friends: ophcrack :) [05:19] ophcrack eh? [05:19] not actually part of HawkPE unfortunately [05:20] but worth adding [05:20] havent has much luck compiling yet on a stick [05:20] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:20] will have a go though [05:20] dive: *nod* [05:20] it's dammed slow too [05:21] Zordrak: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM what's OEM? [05:21] Original Equipment Manufacturer [05:21] usually means it comes in a brown box with no cd/manual etc [05:22] k [05:22] and sometimes cheaper# [05:22] http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=oem [05:22] cygwin aint bad [05:23] slackytude: meh... solution to a problem that shouldn't exist [05:23] you dont get no brown box with hard drives [05:23] sumolinux = samurai, helix, dvl, dban, and backtrack 3 [05:23] on one dvd [05:23] if you need linux&&windows then put win in vbox in seamless mode [05:24] Zordrak, heh, true enough [05:24] Zordrak, I made this to be portable - I can just plug in to a windows box and run [05:24] slackytude: pure win installs are just getting more and more irrelevant [05:24] Zordrak, Im working in a windows shop. I need cygwin to make scripting on the 2003 box [05:25] from a business POV [05:25] Im with you [05:25] but for now, we are windows [05:26] slackytude: where i would need to script 2k3 i replace the function bbeing provided with a linux service -- but i understand your troubles [05:27] well, consider backups. usign bash + rsync is a no brainer [05:27] so I used cygwin [05:27] Yesterday i configured a slack box as a dupe of the solaris NIS server ready to replace it :) [05:27] Action: Zordrak +++++++++ [05:27] eh, NIS [05:27] anicent [05:27] from the dawn of time [05:28] slackytude: WRT backups.. stuck on Veritas Netbackup for the mo [05:28] WRT? [05:28] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] slackytude: i will be wigrating NIS to LDAP in the future.. but one step at a time... right now it's all about deprecating solaris [05:29] WRT: with respect to [05:30] nd [05:31] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.28) joined ##slackware. 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[05:48] alkos333: am waiting for btfs [05:49] btfs [05:49] never heard of it [05:49] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:49] brtfs [05:49] typo [05:49] er, btrfs [05:49] never heard of it either [05:49] is it butter fs or bart fs? [05:50] http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=btrfs [05:50] :) [05:50] its new in 2,6,29 IIRC [05:50] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-727ef85020faf7b6) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Zordrak: Looks very promising :) [05:50] Zordrak: Love that website by the way [05:50] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:50] it should eventually be a replacement for ext$ [05:51] I want to use something reliable though... [05:51] ext3 [05:51] ext4 is still gonna have a good number of bugs [05:51] Zordrak: what about jfs? [05:51] lol, i had to allow an exception in noscripts to go to that site [05:51] weh [05:51] weh? [05:52] j/x/reiser just not worth it unless the disks are gonna get hammered by I/O [05:52] s/weh/meh/ [05:52] dvorak trouble [05:52] Zordrak: That's the plan though :) [05:52] i'll have to keep an eye on that FS [05:53] alkos333: how many hundreds/thousands of users? [05:53] Zordrak: I'm planning on using them as almost primary storage of data and back-up simultaneously (hence RAID-1) [05:53] Zordrak: just me :) [05:53] But ext3 is a lot slower than reiserfs for instance (which is what I use on my T60) [05:53] then it doesnt count as "hammered" [05:54] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Still, it's way faster and fsck are pretty fast as well [05:54] I wonder how ext4 will compare to reiserfs' fsck [05:54] fs choice really is "each to their own" [05:54] mwend (n=lrenyah@120.162.249.158) left irc: [05:54] i used ext4 [05:55] it was decent [05:55] too many filesystems [05:55] Action: Zordrak uses ext3 -- mill then use btrfs or ext4 if btrfs takes too long to mature [05:55] Zordrak, based on what? there were some tests in linux journal or something that put xfs on top for some pretty basic things. Like recopying a file or deleting a file ~4gb (dvd image) [05:55] Reaver_11 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:56] hiptobecubic: No, xfs was never near the top [05:56] hiptobecubic: i look at ext3 in the same kind of lighht as huge-smp [05:56] hiptobecubic: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html [05:57] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 ? [05:59] hiptobecubic: Go figure [06:00] He runs the same freaking tests though [06:01] [MA]Amine_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:05] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.195.170) joined ##slackware. [06:05] scott\ (n=scott@5ac4a1c6.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:06] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:08] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@122.55.121.191) joined ##slackware. [06:09] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-194576.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [06:10] anyone here using compiz on XFCE? please? [06:10] yeah it works [06:11] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [06:11] ohoy there [06:11] i did atom_fox [06:11] it worked for me when i was using it [06:17] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:17] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [06:17] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [06:18] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:18] hmmm investigating wsus [06:18] bono (i=bono@118-160-165-77.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:19] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:19] I have a T60 with Intel HD-audio and the alsa page says the /dev/midi device should be created, yet it's not (http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel) what could be wrong? [06:20] pip (n=Ser@59.174.77.233) left irc: Client Quit [06:20] How come 12.2 doesn't have an alsa-driver package? Is it because i'ts in the kernel now? 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For other distros my language is present [06:26] spook: turns out the american way is to use Z's in most occasions [06:28] turns out america isnt the rest of the world [06:28] color vs colour is another bright example [06:29] turns out america is on a different continent than the U.K. and has developed it's own dialect over the last 250 years. Much like latin american spanish is very different from the spanish in madrid. [06:30] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:31] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:33] oxon_ (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:34] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. 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[06:39] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:40] but due to internet, tv, movies it tends to spoils again, isn't it ? [06:41] paul424, what the hell are you talking about, sir? [06:41] the dialect? [06:42] epp the dialect :D [06:42] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:46] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:47] orrid [06:48] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [06:50] MadneX (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [06:53] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-727ef85020faf7b6) left irc: [06:54] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[07:25] also a ntpdate in rc.local [07:26] ALVAN: but having to stop ntpd to do so? [07:26] Zordrak, you can have both no need to stop ntpd ..is that i think that ntpd is no use to run [07:27] it will be an internal network time server here [07:27] maybe if you have something industrial server that needs the clock synchronize at mili seconds [07:27] bah [07:28] the time building in DC [07:28] I installed the security system in that. [07:28] Right next the VP Cheney's house. [07:29] Harlin (n=chatzill@24-178-103-182.dhcp.stbr.ga.charter.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [07:29] kind of off track, but reminded me of it. :) [07:29] Zordrak: there is a good reason to stop ntpd in such a case. [07:30] ntpdate will set the correct time instantaneously. But the ntp deamon will try to adjust the drift and _gradually_ catch up with the exact time [07:30] does the iptables-save format support bash style variables? [07:30] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [07:30] alienBOB: i see [07:31] alienBOB: that explains the behaviour when a box doest adjust itself for DST [07:31] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:33] im having trouble with a certain rss feed in amarok showing any podcasts from the feed. Is there another app i can test the feed with besides amarok? [07:33] hmm... do i keep the 127.127.1.0 entries for an externally synchronising time server? [07:33] 127.0.0.1 ? [07:34] spook: no - 127.127.1.0 [07:34] /etc/ntp.conf [07:35] oh [07:36] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [07:37] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:38] kama (n=kama@87.19.118.78) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:40] nevermind... i c now, that there are no enclosures in the feed [07:40] k1k0_ (n=k1k0_@20158155156.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[07:42] abi274 (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:43] Nick change: abi274 -> Politics [07:43] alienBOB: or perhaps via logrotate [07:44] why is lilo utility disappeared from setup dvd? [07:45] alienBOB: You going to be around in about 8 or 9 hours? [07:45] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [07:45] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-533418d83b33dfbe) returned to ##slackware. [07:45] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) returned to ##slackware. [07:45] factotum (n=mike@24-247-105-121.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) returned to ##slackware. [07:45] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) returned to ##slackware. [07:45] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) returned to ##slackware. [07:45] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) returned to ##slackware. [07:45] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [07:45] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) returned to ##slackware. [07:45] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) returned to ##slackware. [07:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:47] RLa: ? [07:48] alienBOB, my ldap address book works nicely [07:48] RLa: it's very very still there [07:48] where, on 12.2 dvd? [07:49] in series a [07:50] RLa, see if you have the liloconfig utility there on the dvd [07:50] oh [07:50] RLa, try slackpkg search or http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.2&t=2&q=lilo [07:51] it's on the fricen dvd in the FIRST package series dir! [07:51] why/how the hell i should lilo onto *setup dvd*? [07:51] O_O [07:52] RLa, if you speak of hell then no thinks will work out for you [07:52] you need to chroot to your installation [07:52] if thats what you mean [07:53] RLa, if you use the "*setup dvd*" ther is an order where you can get to lilo setup [07:53] yes, i finally succeeded to use current system as root [07:53] if you dont add a swap or mark partitions [07:53] then lilo in setup wont run [07:53] ok, fixed [07:54] fyrfaktry (n=fyrfaktr@adsl-070-145-120-039.sip.pns.bellsouth.net) left irc: "is outta here!" [07:54] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [07:56] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [07:58] RLa, in these cases when you know your lilo config is not ok you boot with the dvd cd on the root partition or you chroot [07:58] you dont use setup from dvd for liloconfig only on a new slackware install [07:59] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.195.170) left irc: "{{„p†, c‚{{„e" [08:01] when you are in chroot or the disk root partition edit /etc/lilo.conf or use liloconfig , then run lilo to apply changes [08:01] i just haven't compiled my kernel in many years and sometimes it goes wrong [08:02] yes, only had to switch back to old kernel [08:02] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:02] RLa, ok then just add two entires in lilo , let the Linux as is and add Linux-test with the new kernel to boot on it [08:03] i mean add those entries in /etc/lilo.conf [08:03] this before you boot the new kernel [08:03] of course :P [08:04] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) left irc: "Run Forest!" [08:05] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.28) left irc: "lunch" [08:06] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [08:07] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:07] Action: Zordrak reminds himself that you cannot use tab-autocompletion on password-s :) [08:07] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) left irc: [08:15] Zordrak, happens to me too [08:17] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:19] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [08:20] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Oh the sweet E17 saves me" [08:21] anyone know if there is a slackbuild for mplex? [08:22] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:23] MoebiusX (n=moebiusx@89-172-169-90.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [08:23] FriedBob: yes, why? [08:24] DBAmethyst (n=panzer@68-186-203-234.static.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:24] or mjpegtools? [08:25] Hello Slackers. I'm considering which distro to put on the webserver. I'd like to try Slackware before I decide, but wanted to ask a few question here. For example, what is the recommended site to download binary packages that can be trusted? Are they signed? [08:26] mwend (n=lrenyah@120.163.1.94) joined ##slackware. [08:27] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [08:27] www.slackbuilds.org [08:27] http://slackbuilds.org/ [08:27] ahh... beat me [08:28] :) [08:28] But those are for sources, no? [08:28] yes there are sources there [08:28] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [08:29] MoebiusX: if you use sbopkg it does it all for you [08:29] except dependancy checking [08:29] I mean, I guess I can compile two or three primary applications that we use, like the webserver, php, database. But I'd like to keep the base system (ie. everything else) in binary (precompiled) form and updated with security patches. [08:30] select view the readme and it will tell you the dependancies, and they usualy have a slackbuild as well [08:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:30] you can compile the packages once and distribute them [08:30] also, slackware comes with alot of server software by default (like php, sql's, etc) [08:30] thrice`: except for the main apps, I want to avoid that for the base system. [08:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:30] MoebiusX: slackpkg checks for security updates [08:31] blurr (n=blurr@unaffiliated/blurr) left irc: "Leaving" [08:31] and such [08:33] vinnie_: does that require recompilation of the patched application? [08:33] no [08:34] MoebiusX: you can just use the Slackware binary packages - Slackware has apache, php, mysql [08:34] Annd yes the packages are signed [08:34] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:34] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [08:35] well, we're using postgres and lighttpd, I didn't see those in binary form for Slackware, but that is not a problem, we can recompile the primary apps when and if needed. [08:35] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:36] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [08:36] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:37] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=postgres&sv=12.2 [08:38] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=lighttpd&sv=12.2 [08:38] the slackbuild will compile for u [08:39] just check http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ before you try it [08:39] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] read the readme's for dependancies [08:40] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:40] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:40] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Anyone nmow the right way to specify t1 and t2 in ISC dhcpd? [08:41] i cant find any documentation on it [08:41] vinnie_: thank you, I'm already there. [08:41] t1 t2? [08:41] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0D42C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [08:41] MoebiusX, there is alos a nice frontend for slackbuilds.org, called sbopkg [08:41] s/alos/also [08:42] http://sbopkg.org/ [08:42] MoebiusX: i would suggest using sbopkg [08:42] slackytude: beat me [08:42] ^-^ [08:42] MoebiusX: it automates the process [08:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:42] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [08:42] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:43] spook: http://tinyurl.com/dhcpt1t2 [08:43] it allows you to search slackbuilds.org from the interface [08:43] Thanks, i've seen it. Though, what about the giants like OpenOffice? Where can I get the official binary for that? [08:44] slackbuilds.org [08:44] you'll notice a trend [08:44] MoebiusX: its also in slackbuilds.org [08:44] Yes, but that is to compile Ooo no? [08:44] yes 3.0 is there [08:44] Zordrak: default-lease-time and max-lease-time ? [08:45] like we said slackbuild will compile for you [08:45] spook: no they're different [08:45] MoebiusX, in case of Ooo, it will just pack the binary in a slackware packgae [08:45] vinnie_: is there an official precompiled binary for i686? [08:45] it wont compile [08:46] the same as the slackware package for firefox. its actually the official binary, just wrapped as slack package [08:46] Oh, I understand. [08:49] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] althoug, just to be clear, the stuff avaible is not *official* slackware. http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#affiliation [08:52] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [08:53] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:54] although some of the work that slackbuilds.org has does HAS gotten things into Slackware though ;) [08:54] like.. wicd [08:54] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [08:55] wicd is nice [08:55] Well, by "official" I mean "not a third party who knows from where repository with whatnot malware injected in binaries". :) [08:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:56] MoebiusX, heh, no. you''ll notice it uses the source and checks for MD5 and whatnot [08:56] mwend (n=lrenyah@120.163.1.94) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:56] RLa (n=rlaanemt@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:56] uses the upstream source [08:56] this is insane [08:56] mwend (n=lrenyah@120.163.1.94) joined ##slackware. [08:57] madness takes its toll [08:57] isc dhclient expects T1 and T2 in responses.... but you cant get dhcpd to provide them!! [08:57] isc? [08:57] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062153222.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:58] dhcpd coders -- the default flavour of dhcp slack (and everyone else) uses [08:59] Well, thanks for your help, guys. [08:59] MoebiusX (n=moebiusx@89-172-169-90.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [09:00] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) joined ##slackware. [09:02] shiat [09:02] it's NOT expected by dhclient [09:02] perhaps a slackware thing :/ [09:02] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [09:03] omg -- slack is using dhcpcd and i didnt notice [09:03] there is also dhclient [09:04] dhclient sucks [09:04] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:04] Action: slackytude nods [09:04] still in slack, tho [09:05] but why would isc fail to implement t1&t2 vals? [09:05] dngr (n=dngr@pcd648224.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:23] Nick change: [DM]Everman -> dTd [09:24] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [09:24] dTd (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:25] [DM]Everman (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Nick change: [DM]Everman -> dTd [09:26] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:26] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:30] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:32] c0nflict (i=500@134-102.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:33] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Has anyone else noticed that slack`s dhcpcd is two major versions out of date? [09:34] 2.0.8 vs. 4.0.7 [09:38] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:38] i'm sure *someone* has :) [09:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:39] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [09:39] Zordrak: ah, so it seems. Does that matter? ;) [09:40] slackware's networking scripts rely on output from dhcpcd, so changing it is a little bit of a task :) [09:40] 1. would love to know why 2. been on a wild goose chase because of a warning from 2.0.8 that was deprecated ages ago [09:40] If it works, don't fix it [09:40] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [09:41] 4.x was a complete re-write; might try starting with 3.2. [09:42] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] although 4.x works quite well (though I haven't tried with stock networking scripts in slack) [09:42] imarambiocatan__ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:42] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:42] arr. this is annoying. since 12.1 xorg is very slow for me - ui operations are slow, X process uses 20-80% cpu. i have switched from onboard intel to agp nvidia, i played with pixmaps, font cache, various accelerations... nothing helps. and nobody at xorg gives shit :> [09:42] thrice`: 3 was a rewrite too [09:43] oh no.. 3 was *the* rewrite [09:43] "August 2008 sees the first release of dhcpcd-4. The new version moves all configuration to /libexec/dhcpcd-run-hooks" -- What THe HElL? [09:43] hmmm [09:43] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:44] 5.x is nearing too [09:44] thrice`: seems to me 3.x was also a complete rewrite (in nov 2006 too, so that's quite recent as well) [09:44] bah.. lets revert to dhclient :) [09:45] ah, 4.99.1 (experimental 5.x version) is out already [09:45] U-Neeks (n=666@201-14-99-8.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [09:45] seems their major version numbers are rather different ;) [09:46] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "Leaving" [09:46] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "uhm" [09:47] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Well, slackware doesn't seem to incorporate major changes in software until they're a year old or so at least [09:48] hm, I don't think that's quite true [09:49] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:49] still v3 is over two years old [09:49] again, this is a pretty specific case [09:49] indeed [09:49] does v3 bring a benefit? [09:49] rewritten [09:49] you're the one who wants it :) surely there is a reason [09:50] smaller codebase [09:50] no doubt bugfixes [09:50] not hard to update said program [09:50] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:51] perhaps pat just cant be arsed [09:51] damn it would be useful for him to be around occasionally :) [09:51] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] "The last release of X.Org was 7.4, on September 23, 2008." [09:53] hmm. that one supposedly improves performance [09:53] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [09:53] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:54] i think i might email him about it -- definitely a question worth asking rather than just a random request about some obscure app [09:54] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:54] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [09:55] Zordrak, talking about versions... i'm very, very interested in this xorg issue [09:56] whosajiggawuh? [09:56] i'm a bit desperate now. even thought for a moment of a dualboot with some other distro :D [09:57] Reaver_11 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [10:01] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.170.190) joined ##slackware. [10:02] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:04] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:04] lol [10:04] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) joined ##slackware. [10:04] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] www.slackware.com "proofed usong netscape" [10:05] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:09] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:12] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@port.23.telnetd.org) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [10:12] Richlv: that's very odd; with the exception of a few components, slack's xorg is pretty up-to-date (esp. with drivers) [10:12] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:12] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [10:15] thrice`, well, as you can verify, ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/x/ has xorg-server 1.4.2. http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.4 says it contains xorg-server 1.5 [10:15] and- "7.4 was released on September 23, 2008" [10:15] that's 3.75 or so months :) [10:15] 1.5.3 xorg-server supposedly had few performance fixes [10:16] though i don't know for sure whether that would help me - performance degraded with the move from xorg-server 1.3 to 1.4 [10:17] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:18] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:23] hmm QT is LGPL now [10:23] now? [10:23] Camarade_Tux, how did it go? :P [10:24] in fact a new version will be AFAIK [10:24] 4.5 or something [10:24] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [10:24] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "reboot" [10:24] slackytude, pretty well, thanks :) [10:24] ^-^ [10:24] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [10:24] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [10:26] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Richlv: well, slackware picks components up from individual. so while xorg-server / mesa might not be at the latest, other stuff is. the main reason for not doing 1.5.x was because it breaks other stuff [10:28] ehh. i'll try downgrading to 1.3, again [10:30] the announcment for qt being lgpl : http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/licensing [10:30] "will be available under the open source LGPL version 2.1 license from the release of Qt 4.5, scheduled for March 2009." [10:31] hmm. it looks like that doesn't help anymore, though [10:32] it helped with 12.2, i think [10:33] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [10:34] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] man [10:41] there I go doing an addressbook in ldap only to discover that ldap support in outlook is crap [10:42] Akuma (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:42] http://smartdatacollective.com/Home/15756 [10:42] "6) It is free. And open for all. It is socialism expressed in code." [10:43] I'm sure it's a caricature [10:43] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:43] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:44] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:45] imarambiocatan__ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:45] FYI Pat is very reluctant to replace dhcpcd 2.0.8 with the new code of 4.x because the new dhcpcd is a completely written-from-scratch software [10:45] Pat is paranoid [10:46] I've been bugging about it but he will not consider it for now [10:46] straterra: yes. So? [10:46] So.. [10:46] He's paranoid [10:46] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:46] No pam..no updated lm_sensors [10:46] ..stable distribution.. [10:46] well, lm_sensors had a very bad bug [10:46] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Camarade_Tux: like 6 years ago..and it wasn't a bug in lm_sensors [10:47] It was a bug in the hardware [10:47] no, version 3 had it [10:47] The bug still exists..but..its not in the software. It's a hardware issue. [10:47] and right, still a bug in the hardware, but triggered by lm-sensors [10:47] There are warnings all over about it [10:47] iirc they had a work-around so we must be speaking about different bugs [10:48] a dhcpcd update would be nice, as 2.x segfaults regularly on 64-bit (at least in my experience) [10:48] Regardless..Pat strikes me as a bit paranoid [10:48] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] hi [10:49] i'm still having a bit of trouble getting my apple bluetooth keyboard working, but i think i've narrowed down the issue. [10:49] thrice`: regularly? [10:49] straterra, what's that bug regarding lm_sensors ? [10:49] I've only seen it happen if I dhcpcd -k foo where it's already not running on foo [10:49] (and x86_64 isn't a slackware architecture) [10:49] fred: everytime a kill is called from dhcpcd -k [10:50] interesting,I only get it on redundant calls [10:50] fred: blah blah :> [10:50] The one I am talking about is the older IBM thinkpads [10:50] I notice it alot when wicd takes over networking [10:50] so, I guess that fits your case [10:50] any idea how i would fix this? http://rafb.net/p/Xx5oL974.html [10:51] alienBOB, my ldap addressbook works very nicely [10:52] slackytude: nice that you managed to master LDAP :-) [10:53] Fenix-Dark: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/kde-bluetooth-dies-693167/ <-- that might be helpful. [10:54] rworkman, thanks, so far i've only seen bluetooth related stuff for slackware 12 > [10:55] thrice`: that dhcpcd segfault bug is a 64bit-only bug [10:55] alienBOB, I wouldnt say master, but I got it working [10:55] alienBOB, making toruble in outlook tho [10:58] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:58] Akuma3 (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:59] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [10:59] alienBOB: yeah, so I've concluded :) [11:00] I tried finding a patch or any information, but I don't think any one else on the planet still uses dhcpcd this old :) [11:00] Wow! Our public website has taken logins from 32% of all the countries- in the whole world! [11:01] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:02] alienBOB: WRT dhcpcd: i thought v3 ought to be stable and well tested enough to be looked at.. (v3 being post-rewrite) [11:02] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:02] >2years old [11:02] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Zordrak: I would even jump to v4 then. The problem is that the new dhcpcd is not fully compatible (commandline and functionally) with the 2.x so it is definitely not a drop-in replacement [11:03] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [11:03] alienBOB: *nod* [11:04] rworkman, i want to make sure i followed that correctly, would this be what the system.conf looks like http://rafb.net/p/5CBULK38.html ? [11:05] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-220.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Nick change: jkwood_ -> jkwood [11:06] rworkman, i'm still getting a segfault so i think i edited the config file incorrectly, http://rafb.net/p/tmqtqN85.html [11:08] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] Fenix-Dark: I think actually that this might be a bug in the app (as the error indicates). However, you might consider pulling http://slackware.com/~rworkman/dbus/ <-- build that on your system and upgrade it, move over the .new files, and see how things work. [11:09] rworkman, very well then [11:10] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-533418d83b33dfbe) left irc: [11:11] MadneX (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:12] Action: thrice` doesn't like the "it's not a drop-in replacement" excuse :\ [11:12] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:13] thrice`: fixing up the network init scripts and such, especially seeing as how they depend on certain behavior from dhcpcd, isn't necessarily trivial [11:13] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BB8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:13] rworkman: not trivial, but updating them is certainly inevitable, then ? [11:13] Now if I could get dhcpcd to stop segfaulting... [11:14] thrice`: assuming the dhcpcd update is, yes :) [11:14] quiet, that's 64-bit only. [11:14] since slackware is upstream, I think complaints are valid :) [11:15] rworkman: I guess I see it as anything else. keeping up-to-date will more often than not requiring updating other stuff [11:16] CrashBandicoot (n=CrashBan@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Holy motherfucker [11:16] thrice`: we are _not_ 64bit upstream! [11:16] shit [11:16] But if we were to release a 64bit slackware, we would have patched the dhcpcd segfault of course [11:16] CrashBandicoot: tell in plain words what your problem is please [11:17] haha [11:17] tourettes ? [11:17] :) [11:17] thrice`: if dhcpcd-2.x on 64bit is a problem, then this would be a good area for the 64bit guys to update it and the network scripts and send it toward "upstream" :) [11:17] i dont know wat da fuck is wrong wit me [11:17] rworkman, damn, didn't fix the segfaults [11:17] i am more happy on windows linux is fuckin retarted [11:17] wrong answer [11:17] ah i'm a tool, didnt move over the config files [11:17] there is still hope [11:18] right answer [11:18] I think the problem is you think words like "wit" and "da" make sense [11:18] Refused telnet@cardinal.lizella.net (invalid handle: .+ban *@c) [11:18] yeah they do [11:18] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:18] CrashBandicoot kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Now you have another problem. [11:18] \o/ [11:18] Was just about to rworkman :-) [11:18] :) [11:19] Fenix-Dark: sounds like an app bug then; inquire upstream [11:19] rworkman: You're my favorite. [11:19] rk4n3: well, you missed 2 letterz. "a" and "d" (as in scrable) [11:19] bono (i=bono@220-136-230-204.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:20] The-spiki: where did I miss them ? Not my mis-spelling of "tourettes"... [11:21] rworkman, yea, seems like an app glitch [11:21] kdebluetoothmonitor works [11:21] my joke failed (it happens often :)... there is this game scrable, where you get letters and form words... retArD can't be formed from "tourettes" [11:22] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: "leaving" [11:22] Cool. If I were you, I'd leave that dbus version installed, fwiw. You'll get messages to syslog now for denied messages [11:22] Fenix-Dark: ^ [11:22] so leave your installed version? [11:23] I would :) [11:25] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@port.23.telnetd.org) joined ##slackware. [11:26] JACKPOT [11:26] pip (n=Ser@59.174.77.233) joined ##slackware. [11:27] ty rworkman, you shenanigans made the kde bluetooth utility not crash, and this was a first for me where the gui utility worked better than the cli one [11:27] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [11:28] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) joined ##slackware. [11:28] bono (i=bono@118-160-163-23.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:30] repsol__ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-169-219.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:31] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-169-219.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Good :) [11:31] rworkman, continuing from your advice on hal yesterday, I still haven't found the answer to having no device icons in xfce/kde, I just ran dbus-monitor and it shows activity when I plug a usb stick in, not sure where to look next [11:32] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [11:32] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE9190B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Srbo_ (i=1000@p4FE9190B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:32] dive: recent upgrade to 12.2? [11:32] Srbo_ (i=1000@p4FE9190B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] I checked the usual things like groups, fstab entries [11:32] yes [11:33] 12.1 - 12.2 on both boxes [11:33] dive: you have parted installed? [11:33] I should have - let me chck [11:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] nope :/ [11:33] installing.. [11:34] if only such requirements were documented somewhere... [11:34] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:35] It's in the ChangeLog [11:35] well I read that it had been moved out of extra or something but I never use it so I probably glazed over at that point [11:35] sorry, bad sarcasm [11:35] hello rworkman , dive , thrice and all you other slackers =) [11:35] l/parted-1.8.8-i486-1.tgz: Moved from /extra (this is now a HAL dependency). [11:35] thanks rworkman [11:35] thrice`: oh :) [11:36] dtanner: greets :) [11:36] dive: work now? [11:36] dtanner, hi [11:36] yes rworkman - I was saying to myself 'if this works I'm going to eat this laptop' [11:36] btw [11:36] Action: dive throws a brick at thrice` *bonk* [11:37] dive: how's the laptop taste? ;-) [11:37] :> [11:37] I have no wit left to rebout your sarcasm - so a brick helps [11:37] Load up a pic of Sarah Michelle Gellar or something; at least make it enjoyable. [11:38] been a while since ive seen such blatant trollage in ##slackware [11:39] can the cd drive automounting get screwed up (temporarily) by restarting hald? [11:39] (wrt CB ^^) [11:39] well sucess of two sorts today - been working on a usb stick install of cygwin - the hard part was getting dos to recognise which driver letter it was running from but it seems to work now [11:39] Action: dtanner watches dive chew on his laptop [11:40] must go around to see some windows friends and test it properly [11:40] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:42] te0xx (i=info-AT-@217.201.8.149) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-256250.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:42] now all I need is to sort out a decent looking font for rxvt and find some networking tools [11:43] urxvt + terminus font is good :) [11:43] yeah I was thinking of terminus [11:44] I'm using the auto setup prog to install a load of fonts and it's taking forever [11:44] usb sticks are just slow [11:45] but it's got no X on it at all - I just want cli stuff really [11:45] luckily they have rxvt that works in windows [11:50] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-68-62-246-115.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.48.40) joined ##slackware. [11:53] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:54] rworkman, can your dbus package make my cd drive's automounting go screwey? [11:54] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE9190B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:56] Fenix-Dark: it shouldn't, BUT it's possible. Potentially, the dbus-glib, dbus-qt3, and dbus-python packages will need to be rebuilt. [11:56] hal should be fine, but no promises, so maybe it will need a rebuild too. [11:56] I don't know what ABI changes there were from 1.2.4 into 1.2.6+ [11:57] Ideally, there would be *none* - but reality isn't often idea. [11:57] er, ideal. [11:57] well i'll do a reboot incase i made a mistake [11:57] factotum (n=mike@24-247-105-121.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [11:57] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [11:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [12:00] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:00] DBAmethyst (n=panzer@68-186-203-234.static.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:27] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-145-45-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [12:29] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-002-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:30] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:33] vinnie_: same answer: have you checked slackbuilds.org and packages.slackware.it? [12:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) joined ##slackware. [12:38] BP{k}: can I request mjpegtools to be added [12:38] vinnie_: added to what? [12:38] to slackbuilds [12:39] vinnie_: you can submit a buildscript if you want. [12:39] ok.... ty [12:40] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-195802.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:40] kitche: wassup with Nortel products ? [12:41] ah, there is an mjpeg package, but it's on slacky [12:41] dtanner: Nortel is in debt 6.3 Billion CAD [12:41] damn , glad I sold my stock before now [12:41] vinnie_: Might I recommend you use http://slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb ? [12:41] dtanner: for Canada's stock exchange they been delisted last close was 38 cents [12:41] That should do 75% of the work for you. =) [12:43] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:43] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left ##slackware. [12:44] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.227.157) joined ##slackware. [12:44] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-195802.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:44] vinnie_: I just checked, and sbsuite.rb does indeed play nicely with mjpegtools. =) [12:45] great. a slashdot article on vt moon bricks infects users with viruses [12:45] ewww to ruby ;) [12:46] lol [12:46] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) left irc: "leaving" [12:46] Necos: It works, man. [12:46] that leaning space trail kills me [12:46] Action: zeroXzero is away: I'm busy [12:46] Action: Necos stabs zeroXzero [12:47] kitche: when i sold it was $5.xx a share , a couple of years back [12:47] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-196138.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:47] lol [12:47] you would have lost a lot money if you sold now [12:48] vinnie_: If you'd like, http://slaxer.com/slackbuilds/mjpegtools.SlackBuild [12:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-169-219.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:51] te0xx (i=info-AT-@217.201.46.208) joined ##slackware. [12:51] te0xx (i=info-AT-@217.201.46.208) left irc: Client Quit [12:51] ah, good old slackbuilds :) [12:52] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [12:56] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [12:56] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-194576.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:57] Hello all. I just installed slack 12.2, and I was wondering how to turn on sub-pixel hinting for fonts. [12:58] ummm, apparently, you can turn it on using kcontrol [12:59] google for sub-pixel hinting, and it's the 2nd result =p [13:00] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:01] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:01] tribeca (n=naitso@host234-22-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:02] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Hmm. Doesn't work. I guess I still need to recompile freetype? [13:03] possibly... you can look at the slackbuild and see if it was built with sub-pixel rendering on [13:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[15:29] oxon_ (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) joined ##slackware. [15:32] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-86-56.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [15:35] Hi all. I want to stick a wifi pci card into one of my slackware boxes and have it act like an access point for my wired network, with WPA2 encryption. [15:35] What do I read for this? [15:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) left irc: "Bye Bye" [15:35] A card with drivers that supports master mode [15:35] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-86-56.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Ah, great. Apparently wpa_supplicant can do more than just authenticate? [15:37] holdmypocket (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:40] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-86-56.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [15:41] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:42] the chan's so quiet :o [15:43] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-86-56.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:43] hackedhead, you use hostapd [15:44] err mooglenorph [15:44] edman007, thanks [15:44] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:45] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Trying to figure out if rt61 drivers support master mode... [15:45] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:47] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [15:47] Any of you guys have this sound card? root@tpt60:~# lspci | grep Audio [15:47] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) [15:48] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) [15:48] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] I do [15:50] Action: Camarade_Tux has '82801H (ICH8 Family)' [15:52] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] Ekc_ (n=iskar@77-85-6-112.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) left irc: No route to host [15:54] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Ekc (n=iskar@95-42-18-23.btc-net.bg) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:56] mutt [15:56] darn [15:56] fail [15:56] lol [15:56] :) [15:56] Old_Fogie: no, he was calling you a mutt ;) [15:57] Action: rk4n3 whistles [15:57] here boy :) [15:57] at least it wasn't 'firefox pr0n.com' :) [15:57] oh yea? /me tosses a snowball at rk4n3 then :) [15:57] hehe [15:57] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-208.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:57] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:58] or at least it wasn't a password ;) [15:58] yeah, that would have sucked [15:58] qneo, yeah lol "passwd root" :D [16:00] echo mYL337pAs$ | passwd root [16:00] damn [16:00] lol [16:00] :) [16:00] nullboy: thrice` Have you guys tried using Nted? It needs a midi device, but I can't figure out if this card doesn't support it or I'm just doing something wrong [16:00] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:01] The alsa page mentions /dev/midi, but I don't have it created for some reason: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel [16:02] I've been trying to google this with little success: what interface do I bridge to the normal network? With a hostapd configuration? [16:02] confrey (n=dario@94.162.104.187) joined ##slackware. [16:02] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hi everybody [16:02] lousy connection :( [16:02] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.170.102) joined ##slackware. [16:03] hi confrey, hi again slackytude :) [16:03] Camarade_Tux, might be gone again in a few secs [16:03] mooglenorph, what card do you have? [16:03] enjoy me while you can ^-^ [16:04] my new eeepc 1000H now have a slackware12.2 installed, I've installed wifi driver, can anybody help me about all other things? [16:04] normally you use hostapd to turn a wireless interface into an AP, then you can bridge or whatever with that interface [16:04] edman007, a gn-wp01gs, rt61pci driver [16:04] hello happy slackers [16:04] Camarade_Tux, [] [16:04] confrey, if I'm not mistaken, there's a whole wiki article about it at slackwiki.org [16:04] mooglenorph, so it gives you an interface right? hostapd is configured to make it an AP..you did that much? [16:05] edman007, I don't have the card yet. I'm just doing all the research and writing things down./ [16:05] Old_Fogie, Iknow it, but the driver it'seggested don't work [16:05] confrey, which driver are we talking about? [16:06] LnxSlck, hmmm, an empty list ? [16:06] rt2860sta, now it's working, I found another file on rlaink site [16:06] mooglenorph, oh, well..get a ralink or atheros and deal with it then [16:06] Camarade_Tux, empty list? [16:06] Camarade_Tux, it's something like [] = hello [16:06] LnxSlck, he, ok :p [16:06] =) [16:06] [] is the empty list in ocaml ;) [16:06] Action: Camarade_Tux has been doing ocaml for the past 4 or 5 hours [16:07] js, [16:07] ocaml = programming language? [16:07] same in python [16:07] same in a lot of languages [16:07] empty_list = [] [16:07] Action: alienBOB thinks in ##slackware, [] means "the empty bed" [16:07] today i tried kde 4 [16:07] empty list [ in bed ] [16:07] it's neat [16:07] alienBOB, haha [16:08] a bit heavy though [16:08] LnxSlck: heavy?? [16:08] alienBOB, you know, outlook + ldap = sucks [16:08] thunderbird + ldap = fine [16:08] KDE4 has nothing to do with outlook. What did you mean? [16:08] yeah, ocaml is programming language, my favorite, and I'm currently doing something that should soon get me rid of firefox at last \o/ [16:08] alienBOB, yeah [16:08] slackytude, honestly I think 'ldap' is a joke for addresses, just my $0.02 [16:08] alienBOB, eats a bit of resources [16:09] Sorrt LnxSlck slackytude mixed you up [16:09] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:09] lol [16:09] Old_Fogie, now I want to set cpufrequency, I have a Atom cpu, in Ubuntu I can see two frequency monitor, I don't know how to set frequency and goveronr here, cpufreq-set don't work [16:09] oh god [16:09] LnxSlck: I thought it was doing better than KDE3, but I guess it depends on the progs you run [16:09] confrey, there is a wiki about that at slackwiki :) [16:09] I find 4.2 to be lighter on resources than 3.5.10 was. [16:10] alienBOB, not on my laptop [16:10] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "reboot" [16:10] Fenix-Dark: that's GREAT to know; thanks. [16:10] alienBOB, it's a bit slow than kde [16:10] 3 [16:10] confrey, modprobe acpi-cpufreq && echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor [16:10] new KVM ! [16:11] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Camarade_Tux, I have cpu0 and cpu1, must I set both cpu or can I set ech one separately? [16:11] rworkman, alienBOB Not sure if I told ya's but the r8169 now works for acer aspire one netbook; not sure why it wouldn't in 12.1 but oh well :) [16:11] confrey: read the output of cupfreq-info: CPUs which need to switch frequency at the same time: 0 1 [16:11] confrey, I used to think both were needed but it seems only one is (cpu0 that is) [16:12] Old_Fogie: Prayer and supplication, mostly. [16:12] you set one and the other does it [16:12] Old_Fogie: probably improved in the later kernel :) [16:12] jkwood, yea I suppose [16:12] nullboy, I didn't know that :) [16:12] rworkman, yes odd tho, I had built a 2.6.27 kernel too, but yet it failed (tho Mr. V knows a couple two-three things more than me on that :) [16:12] it's easy, just read wht the tools put on the screen in front of you [16:13] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74cb6e.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [16:13] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] rworkman, but as far as I can tell, if anyone needing a netbook acer aspire one works 100% except...light/led's for the wireless switch. The ath5k dev's are aware, there's some patch in their git. But I'm to gun shy to try it. Don't know if/when it'll make it's way to the mainline kernel. [16:14] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [16:14] cool [16:14] rworkman, oh you gotta see this bad boy :) I'm going to make a gtk-recordmydesktop of it soon :) [16:14] nullboy: any thoughts on the /dev/midi related issue? [16:15] alkos333: nope i don't use midi [16:15] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Alright [16:17] Old_Fogie: do you use a bigger than the default battery wit that Aspire One? [16:17] rworkman, is it something in my capabilities to add "usb-cdrom" drivers to the "usb installer" image that we make usb boot images from? Is that do-able. My acer is 160 gig, so I just rsynced over. but some netbooks, are only 4gb or 8gb models. Many netbooks have no cd rom, some people have usb cdrom's, and have a usb stick, but not enough for a full usb install. Is that do-able? [16:17] alienBOB, I have the the default battery at this time. i'm going to buy the bigger ones. [16:18] alkos333: missing /dev/midi indicates that your soundcard does not support midi in hardware. You are stuck with using timidity++ for midi sound support in software. [16:18] bradhex (n=chris@c-98-211-29-170.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-220.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] Old_Fogie: how long does it run Slackware with the factory-default battery? [16:18] alienBOB, about 2.5 hours and I have not tweaked any governor settings at all. [16:19] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [16:19] Hm not much for a netbook [16:19] alienBOB: Yes, I suppose I am :). Is there anything more lightweight, or timidity is as good as it gets? [16:19] Camarade_Tux, ok, I've set ondemand as governor, but is there a more simple way to do it? i.e. by cpufreq-set? [16:19] It's all I know [16:19] alienBOB, the sound is low is only "critique". the screen is so bright, clean and crisp tho. I have the pata hard drive. hdparm shows it around 50mb , kind of slow. well, critique number two. I do have the compiz-fusion cube working tho :) [16:20] alienBOB, sound low out speakers is what I mean. [16:20] K [16:20] alienBOB, but I was pleased enough to buy 10 of them :) [16:20] Arghh! What for? [16:20] family [16:20] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn41.78-99-100.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [16:20] Ah [16:20] Christmas presents [16:20] He's giving one to me, of course. [16:21] You earn a good wage Old_Fogie! [16:21] if Slack store sold them, I'd have bought them their, [16:21] confrey, certainly ;-) [16:21] Action: alienBOB can not even afford _one_ [16:21] alienBOB, oh these are must have devices, me and the wife fell in love with them. [16:21] Priorities of course [16:22] alienBOB, despite what people say, it's quit fast, and more then just a web/email/instant messenger device. I find it very powerful fwiw. Hooking up to a monitor, you get 1024x768 so it's useable that way too. [16:22] alienBOB, considering that kde/gnome/xfce/ all support full screen, and keybinding to change workspaces, it's very usable imo. [16:22] What rez does the thing's display have? [16:23] jescis (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:23] 1024 x 600 [16:24] jescis (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Camarade_Tux, ok, cpufreq-set is working now [16:24] other things.... [16:24] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [16:25] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host163-239-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:25] alienBOB, but like I said, "alt + f11" in most window managers does full screen of most any application, can be changed to something else of course. So I find the screen real estate much better that way. So you don't have the taskbars taking up much room. [16:26] confrey, you most probably needed to modprobe acpi-cpufreq first [16:26] yes, I think [16:26] alienBOB, after reading one of the reasons for kde to use plasma for netbooks I see why now. kde 3 doesnt scale as well for netbooks tho. for example, you can't see amaroks, ok/cancel buttons in settings. the devs hard coded way too many dialog boxes in kde that dont scale correctly in kde 3 I find. xfce is the way to go , or gnome *cough* :) [16:26] now I'd like to set workerly all buttons with acpi, like in ubuntu, is it possible? [16:26] Old_Fogie, of pure openbox, without any bar ;) [16:27] Camarade_Tux, yea there ya go. [16:27] Old_Fogie, hehe :p [16:27] confrey, just wondering , is the 'like in ubunut' necessary to quantify questions ? [16:27] confrey, yes but as far as I'm concerned, I've never done that, it's not hard afaik [16:27] hello my baby, hello my honey! =D [16:27] Old_Fogie, no no [16:28] Old_Fogie, often I resolv some problems looking at ubuntu installation.... I don't like ubuntu, I find it too slow [16:28] confrey, I found the arch wiki had pretty good guides for my netbook if that's not at slackwiki. [16:29] Old_Fogie, can you post thhe link, please? [16:29] confrey, my pc is very very slow a.t.m I can't [16:30] doing a test build on a 500mhz box now :) [16:30] naudiz (i=1000@user-160uvig.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Old_Fogie, ok, thanks [16:30] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn145.91-127-229.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:30] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.181.43.100) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.43.100) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:31] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [16:32] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [16:33] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-151-246.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [16:33] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-151-246.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[16:45] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] hey is the correct; this one will only change the first thing it finds and then stop: sed s/\"/\/ ...this one will keep going and change all " that it finds: sed s/\"/\/g [16:46] that sed statement is wrong i think nullboy [16:46] it works though [16:46] i just don't know why [16:46] what are you replacing the " with? [16:46] Ekc_ (n=iskar@77-85-6-112.btc-net.bg) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:46] Necos: nothing [16:46] that's the point, strip " [16:46] s/\"//g [16:46] k [16:46] perl uses a sed-like regex syntax [16:47] ok? [16:47] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn41.78-99-100.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] i don't know perl [16:47] which is why i said it's probably wrong (your \/g part) [16:47] backslash is used to escape the next character [16:47] but what was wrong with that? it did work [16:47] so it's not expanded by sed [16:47] ah so it was just extraneous [16:48] yep [16:49] Necos: so would perl and sed regex more or less make sense next to each other? [16:49] i'm just trying to teach myself about regex before i go look at perl [16:51] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:53] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] yeah [16:55] nullboy, get a copy of mastering regular expressions by o'reilly [16:55] it talks about regexes in general [16:56] awesome thanks, i was looking at regex books to buy [16:56] 'man perlre' will help until the book ships ;) [16:56] haha [16:59] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: "leaving" [17:00] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: ""must sleeeeep"" [17:00] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [17:03] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:11] ohhh [17:11] fade-in dide [17:11] haha [17:11] Must've been pissing someone off in another channel [17:12] confrey (n=dario@94.162.104.187) left irc: "Sto andando via" [17:13] man i hate fresh installs takes forever doing net-installs for a full install on this pipe,oh well. [17:13] Must've been pissing someone off in another channel [X] in bed/ [17:13] nullboy: http://www.woodbrewery.co.uk/hopping.htm \o/ [17:14] Dominian: can't forget it.. [17:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:17] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Connection timed out [17:20] What is the best way to manage gtk themes on slackware? [17:21] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@92.250.5.110) joined ##slackware. [17:23] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] probly install xfce4 and add xfce-mcs-manager & to .xinitrc or create a custom .gtkrc .gtk2rc or use gtk-chtheme etc.depends on what you want. [17:24] anyone in here use slackware on a system with an nvidia graphics card but does NOT run the binary nvidia driver for it? how do the in-kernel drivers work? [17:24] er how well? what's your experience? [17:24] with "nv" driver [17:24] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [17:25] edit /etc/xorg.conf [17:25] the nv driver works fine, as long as you don't want 3D acceleration [17:26] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-151-246.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [17:27] i don't care too much about 3d or gaming [17:27] i care more about stability than anything else anyways [17:27] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:49] tribeca (n=naitso@host234-22-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [17:51] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [17:51] edman007, radeonhd? [17:51] steerpike (n=Unknown@pool-96-250-193-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:52] tribeca (n=naitso@host234-22-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:52] hey guys [17:52] hhi [17:53] anything new in the community? :) [17:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] probably? [17:53] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [17:54] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:55] tribeca (n=naitso@host234-22-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [17:57] radeonhd is nice, but the 3d performance is crap on quake 4 :( [17:57] lol [17:58] http://www.skibur.com/slackware.html [17:58] tribeca (n=naitso@host234-22-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:58] okay. so X just crashed and threw me back to a vt, but the keyboard is unresponsive. the system is at least sort of okay, since sshd and my music player daemon are still behaving... recovery possible? [17:59] lowkyalur (n=low@icm16-orange.orange.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:59] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) left irc: "Bye Bye" [18:00] if you're using a usb keyboard, i think so [18:00] Necos: yeah its a usb keyboard [18:00] replugging it has not helped [18:01] have a ps2 kb? [18:01] no [18:02] then i dunno lol [18:02] i was going to say, plug the ps2 one in (we have plenty in our office) and see if that works [18:02] well, i dont like the idea of hotplugging ps/2 [18:02] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [18:03] plus, no kbd. [18:03] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] wierd that the vt doesn't show X crash messages, nor a cursor [18:03] hotpluggin ps2 works [18:03] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] that's what i had to do (but my problem was in reverse) [18:04] had ps2 stop responding, and plugged in usb closed all my stuff gracefully, then logged out [18:04] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [18:05] Ugrylmz (n=chatzill@160.75.223.153) joined ##slackware. [18:05] Ugrylmz (n=chatzill@160.75.223.153) left ##slackware. [18:06] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.124) joined ##slackware. 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[19:05] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.45) joined ##slackware. [19:07] j0z (n=JESUS@201-24-228-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:08] slowz (n=slowz@ip72-204-43-101.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:11] hmm is k3b qt4 finish yet? [19:22] kitche: I dont think so. [19:23] oh well I'll just use burncd then [19:27] tuvok302_ (i=vircuser@h20-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:27] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@h20-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:27] Nick change: tuvok302_ -> tuvok302 [19:27] anyone have slack in vmware? [19:31] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [19:32] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [19:35] Wouldn't it be k4b now? [19:37] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:37] was it ever k2b? [19:37] Action: danc3 doesn't know, as he avoids K* at all costs [19:38] it didn't exist during kde 2 [19:38] danc3: any particular reason? [19:39] just have never liked the interface. Seems too much like Windoze to me. [19:39] too many damn options [19:39] heh. [19:39] k3b has to be the best cd burner i've ever seen [19:40] yes, I actually do like k3b (and use it). [19:40] kmail sucks though, and i'm sure it's fred's fault :P [19:40] k3b is the standard facto really [19:40] people even suggest to use it on gnome [19:41] I use it with Xfce [19:41] IIRC k3b stands for KDE Burn Baby Burn [19:41] Action: fred loves kmail [19:42] kitche: by "standard facto", you mean "de-facto standard", right? ¬_¬ [19:42] no clue not really paying attention to what I m typing really so probably [19:43] fred, is there an exchange connector for kmail? [19:44] yup, somewhere I hear. [19:45] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] somewhere kontact got rated as the best linux client for exchange servers within the last few months (for mail, calendar, and contacts), but can't remember where, and I've never used exchange server, so don't have a personal opinion on it really. [19:47] fred, kontact works *incredible* with SyncML [19:47] hey Old_Fogie did you hear about the toll and they are starting to pile stuff along interstate 86 here ready for a burning [19:48] >.> [19:50] kitche, no I didn't [19:50] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.124) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] Action: Old_Fogie thinks tolls are evil [19:50] Old_Fogie: guess they are calling for the state to pay 20 million dollars for the rent of the land [19:51] and an embargo might be coming on the Senecas they say [19:51] kitche, just wait, they aren't making the Indians up here happy either. Remember the last time they messed with them, shut down the I-90 with fires. You have to love our un-elected Governor, heh. [19:52] kitche, funny thing is, local politician here was complaining that the Indians have casino's and should be happy, til' the newsman reminded him that the state gets 25% of the take, and the county 25% too. [19:52] lol [19:53] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [19:55] Action: Old_Fogie is running time make j2 on the intel atom of huge-smp slack kernel vs an amd 2500 ; this will be interesting. Who wants to take bets? I'm running "time make -j2". [19:55] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:56] amazing i install vmware tools and now i can get full res on slack [19:56] you mean a slack 'guest'? right [19:56] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] erm not sure what you mean Old_Fogie. had to install vmware tools into slack for me to be able to change my resolution [19:57] lotec, you have slackware as a 'guest' in the vmware, that's the 'slack' you mean get's the full resolution? [19:58] Old_Fogie: that is correct [19:58] Old_Fogie: did not know what you ment as guest. sorry [19:59] lotec, tis' ok. yeah I often wonder tho, if the binaries that you have to put in tho for that feature to work, get's linked in if you do builds in there or not. I know the "pam" will :) [19:59] I ran virtualbox and vmware both without their tools just for that reason. [20:01] nuts Old_Fogie [20:01] yea i had been messing with it for a day. did not understand why i had to install vmware tools to get my res to increase. I had to compile all of the binaries. It complained about the kernel being to new. and had to create /etc/pam.d for it to install [20:01] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [20:01] DBAmethyst, ? [20:01] the atom vs amd [20:01] DBAmethyst, oh yes, and I should put you in for a vote on which one? [20:01] hmm [20:02] I may say the amd [20:02] though atom is ddr2 yes? [20:02] intel atom is "hyperthreading" tho, I dont know if it's active (heh) ; whatever the Slack stock kerenl gives it, is how it's running. [20:02] the intel atom does have two penguins at boot [20:02] so I assume it's doing it's hyper magic [20:03] pure clean stock slackware 12.2 install, no fogie hax nada, huge smp kernel stock kernel is doing the builds [20:04] I am still on 12.1 [20:05] amd athlon 2500+ bogomips : 3674.92 and then we have intel atom bogomips : 3191.84 [20:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:06] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:06] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.25.45) joined ##slackware. [20:07] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [20:08] brb [20:08] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:09] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:10] wb Old_Fogie [20:10] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left ##slackware. [20:10] damn, why do camera bags cost so damn much? [20:10] "thank ye very muchhhh" (in an Elvis voice) [20:10] damn it... >.<; [20:11] Necos, "accessories" . Ever wonder why it's a free phone, but 40$ for the ciggarrette lighter adapter. [20:12] runniung how long there Old_Fogie? [20:12] fail [20:12] gotta replace my bag (broke one of the strap holders), and all the ones i want are ~80$ [20:13] DBAmethyst, only about 10 minutes so far. I see the hard drive lights going. I exited screen as they build. [20:13] ok [20:13] figured I'd save the process power on each to display the results as they build, so as to rule out any buffer lag [20:13] jescis (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "must move power cord." [20:13] I'd guess another 50 minutes is when the amd is done, so I'm gonna check on them in about a half hour or so. [20:14] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:14] ok [20:14] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:15] My guess is on the amd tho. despite the more megaflops, it has a much faster hard drive than the acer does. the acer is only about 50mb on hdparm. both of them have jfs as / [20:15] both boxes have 1 gig of ram [20:18] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [20:19] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [20:19] anyone have any success getting a tv tuner pci card going? I only want it to use with a video camera [20:19] mrselfpwn: what one? i had a wintv card going [20:19] mrselfpwn, my tv tuner works, never tried to use it with video cam tho [20:20] it's a ati tv wonder [20:21] mine's an 'ati tv wonder pci' on the box. [20:21] yeah, that's what mine is [20:21] no video camera to test with , Christmas killed it [20:21] O.O oh [20:21] mine has an svideo input into the tv card [20:21] yeah [20:21] really tv wonder cards aren't really ati [20:21] and has a cable input [20:22] has anyone tried syncing a Blackberry with Slackware 12.2? [20:22] they are Winpenncle or something like that [20:22] mrselfpwn, it should work tho, as even kopete see's it as a device to be used for web-camming [20:22] I see. [20:22] So I shouldn't need any extra drivers/software? [20:22] mrselfpwn, and the program tv-time allows me to "change" to use the s-video input [20:22] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h20-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: "Client exited" [20:23] ok [20:23] IntangibleLiquid: no i have not but i can try it. not sure if mine will thought had a ruff time getting it even working in OSx [20:23] mrselfpwn, I would guess if you used alienbob's slackbuilds (with patches) for tvtime, the tv just works - this I know for that card...changed the input to s-video and had the camera in there, I'd bet it would work..I got a "feel" [20:23] [ in bed ] :) [20:23] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h20-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:24] lotec, i'm trying it today, hopefully it will work [20:24] lol [20:24] IntangibleLiquid looks like there are a few files you need http://www.linux.com/feature/123251 [20:24] ok cool [20:24] mrselfpwn, these cards have good linux kernel support. I did however find that xmltv, mythtv, mplayer, kaffiene, xine-ui have no idea what to do with this card at all. [20:24] lol [20:24] right [20:24] well think I'll go watch the hockey game [20:25] lotec read that article, good how-to [20:25] mrselfpwn, I can only think that it's due to these cards not having 'onboard' mpeg encoding available to it. [20:25] I want to use it for live "web-cam" functionality [20:25] lotec, it was last year, so lets hope there're some improvement [20:25] mrselfpwn, so maybe those apps I mentioned intentionally could care less about working with them [20:25] I just hope I have everything compiled in the kernel correctly. [20:25] right i see [20:25] IntangibleLiquid I got the storm and even the mac sync software it all does not work right. what BB u got? [20:26] lotec the Pearl [20:26] mrselfpwn, I've never had to compile anythig for this to work to be honest. These cards, and I have about 8 of them, have worked on Slackware out of the box since 10.2 [20:26] OK, sweet [20:26] Thanks [20:26] IntangibleLiquid good luck. I did not like the pearl to much. [20:26] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "bai" [20:26] gonna go test now [20:27] lotec my first BB though :) [20:27] mrselfpwn, if you get it to work tho I'd be interested in what you do/did/done, so feel free to pm me if need be please :) [20:27] ok :) [20:27] wow... [20:27] this is great! [20:27] lol [20:27] IntangibleLiquid it was my first bb also. It is ok just has to be cycled to much. and i had Tmobile there support sucked [20:27] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/551436-REG/Sigma_597306_200_500mm_f_2_8_EX_DG.html [20:29] Necos: sweet jebus man. [20:30] LOL [20:30] i _WISH_ i could afford that [20:30] that's 1/2 my salary lol [20:30] looks like part of a broken down sniper rifle :) [20:31] i mean, i can only imagine what kind of photographer needs such a lens [20:31] and it comes with a 400-1000mm teleconverter [20:31] to place the lens 1m away from the camera body is well, scary... [20:32] i really do not see wtf anyone would need that. [20:33] wow... [20:33] it weights 34.6lbs [20:33] lol [20:33] i guess for long shot porn action? [20:33] maybe someone that's a military journalist photographer [20:34] i guess. i would be scared to death to carry that around [20:34] acidchild (n=ash@208.92.235.204) joined ##slackware. [20:34] that thing is double what i payed for my used camry in 2001 lol [20:35] dude that is more then my truck and my wifes car. [20:35] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-158-118-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] lol [20:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:35] hmm, it says "cannot open capture device /dev/video0. Mind you I did recompile my kernel myself for optimization [20:35] man, that'd be fun to play with tho! [20:36] optimization? LOL [20:36] wtf [20:36] lol [20:36] optimized it sure enough didn't I [20:36] dude i would walk around with that all day taking pictures. and i dont even take pictures. [20:36] Just wanted to cut back on the overhead [20:36] Necos: but i guess if you think aobut it one good shot and it would allmost pay for itself [20:36] comp_ (n=comp_@210.150.186.60) joined ##slackware. [20:37] -------------->>> (fake optimization progress bar) [20:37] and I got all my temperature sensors reading correctly as they weren't before i recompiled [20:37] lol [20:37] I got the shit to work. [20:37] _Chhrriis (n=judoliza@cpe-071-071-241-178.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] one good shot lotec? if you just happened to get a scratch on that thing, your life is over :) [20:37] I just think i left out something in the video section [20:38] Necos: this is true [20:38] <_Chhrriis> are all the guys on the freebsd channels jerks or is taht a unix thing? [20:38] lol [20:38] You again? [20:38] lol [20:38] _Chhrriis: not only are they jerks but so are we [20:38] hahah [20:38] <_Chhrriis> well I'll fit right in [20:38] asking for bsd help in a linux channel is well... :) [20:38] assclown [20:39] Tourette's? [20:39] <_Chhrriis> Im not asking for help on here [20:39] lol [20:39] <_Chhrriis> I can hold my own in linux [20:39] Just play nice, and we'll play nice. =) [20:39] [in bed] [20:39] So, who wants to help me with my printer? [20:39] hahahaha [20:40] OMG i think i wore my underwear backwards all day [20:40] h8R (n=ari_pak@87-126-67-121.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [20:40] No, seriously, I need some help getting my printers working. [20:40] lotec, i was looking at some portrait lenses for my nikon d50... and i saw that... i just had to share :) [20:40] lmao lotec [20:40] is debugfs save on mounted partitions? [20:40] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] lotec fails ^^ [20:41] hello I get this gd-jpeg: JPEG library reports unrecoverable error ;; I did recompile GD and jpeg several times.. can you tell me if the installation is correct http://tightwax.com/info.php ? [20:41] what the hell is debugfs? :) [20:41] i mean.. this is php [20:41] Necos: i have looked at the ones at BestBuy and almost crap myself when i see some of them in the 1000 dollar range. [20:41] ummm... php fail? [20:41] DSLRs? [20:41] FriedBob: what wrong with the printer? [20:42] Necos: Dick Sucking Libs? but no idea what the R stands for [20:42] lol [20:42] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:42] lotec: Can't print, even as root from the cups web admin [20:42] digital slr camera =p [20:42] FriedBob what printer bro? [20:42] what's the error FriedBob [20:42] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:42] Necos: i was about to say recursive :D [20:43] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h20-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: No route to host [20:43] lotec: HP DeskJet 610CL and an HP Photosmart C5250 [20:43] lotec: Thank you for helping get me back into noobfarming. I'd been out of the game for too long. [20:43] Necos: No errors, print jobs just go straight to "stopped" [20:43] hum now that is strange. HP usually works right out of the box man [20:43] Yeah. [20:43] jkwood: lol how was i suposed to get Digital slr Camera? [20:43] then there's an error [20:44] I can't use hp-setup, no X [20:44] lol lotec [20:44] Necos: That's right, sorry - It says something about no authentication data [20:44] FriedBob: are you using hplip drivers? [20:44] Necos: No X [20:44] gotta help a teacher with a laptop cart, brb [20:45] FriedBob: direct connect correct? [20:45] lotec: One USB (Photosmart) and the DeskJet is parport [20:45] FriedBob: can you print locally? [20:45] lotec: I was referring to the underwear quote. ;) [20:45] _Chhrriis (n=judoliza@cpe-071-071-241-178.carolina.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [20:46] jkwood: well the bad part is i know have doo doo stains on my warrior helmet [20:46] XGizzmo_: Don't know how, TBH [20:46] Action: jkwood noobfarms some more [20:46] Bumper crop this week. [20:47] lol [20:47] I don't know if I have the printers setup right in CUPS either. :/ Tried following some docs, but I think that just mucked things up. [20:47] i like being noob farmed out. I am trying to beat straterra :D [20:47] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] lotec: I hear he's into that stuff. [20:48] FriedBob u read this i guess http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_610CL [20:49] I got to say this, I love Slackware and some of its popular discendants (sp)!! [20:49] You've got a long way to go before you beat me, fred, mwalling, and straterra. ;) [20:49] jkwood: i know but i am trying [20:50] FriedBob: can toy print from the web frontend? [20:50] you [20:50] XGizzmo_: No, get "no authentication data" [20:50] jkwood: i think this is my fav one so far i have on there http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1009 [20:50] I had to install couple of Java applets on RH server and it was spewing all sorts of error messages at me. It is one of the newer versions of Enterprise server. I copied the Java applets to Slax and they worked like a charm! Slack really rules!!!! [20:50] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] FriedBob: I would delete all the cups configs and reinstall cups [20:51] Ha... I had forgotten about that one. [20:51] as i was jkwood this one is damn close http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=944 [20:52] LOL [20:52] lotec: I'm currently using the gutenprint drivers [20:52] FriedBob: well why not try those? [20:53] jkwood: you do have some good ones on here. actually there funny as all hell i am laughing my ass off [20:54] lotec: The HPijs/HPLIP stuff requires X. [20:54] FriedBob: o shit sorry i forgot u said you were not using X [20:55] =) [20:55] What is the best way to print plain text such that the margins are correct? [20:55] (printing to a cups printer) [20:55] mooglenorph: COBOL. [20:55] FriedBob: did it ever work? or is this the first try with it? [20:56] cups should detect a new printer even with slackwares default config [20:56] lotec: First time trying in Linux. I've had both working in Windows and/or OS X [20:56] XGizzmo_: I think my problem is this authentication thing. [20:56] Getting the printer working isn't an issue, and when I print pdf's and such with lpr it is fine. [20:57] I need to make it available w/o a login [20:57] jkwood: Great Fing Great. LOL http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1216 [20:58] =D [21:00] jkwood: hahahahahhahaha http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1117 [21:00] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:00] i just laughed so hard at that one i farted lol [21:02] DBAmethyst, both still compiling :) [21:02] hahaha [21:02] i just laughed so hard at that one i farted lol <---- hahaha I do that too! oops ...peee-you! [21:03] hahahahahaha [21:03] wow... [21:04] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.46.228) left irc: "Leaving" [21:04] noobfarm is just great [21:04] just make sure you don't s/b for the 'n' in the beginning [21:05] lol jkwood [21:06] lotec: hahaha, those are great. Esp. the last one. [21:06] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:06] here is another great one. Including the Elusive Old_Fogie http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=983 [21:07] lol do a whois on hoopycat [21:07] uh oh [21:07] Action: Old_Fogie opens opera up [21:08] hahahahahhaha [21:08] lotec, hahaha yea man ...that was classic! [21:08] Old_Fogie: Oi oI! [21:09] Old_Fogie: i rember that one. i was sitting here going no fing way that dude did that. NO FING WAY [21:09] you will note, I don't think we've seen him back here since [21:09] bbl :) [21:09] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?" [21:12] You know, situations like that have actually made me wonder if (some/most/many/a few) of the people that use the "user friendly" gnu's still click on the "click here to scan your pc for virrii" [21:13] radi0head (n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] Old_Fogie: hahahahah that would be great [21:13] I want to extract source IP, PORT and destination IP, PORT from a pcap file? How do I see only specific fields in pcap (tcpdump) files? [21:13] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] When I try to create a filter, tcpdump prints the whole record instead of the filter specific fields. [21:14] Now, I can say ( and I hate to admit it) that family of mine...soon to be banished from the family,,have received the "a new version of opera is available" pop up in opera, and downloaded the opera*deb file, and it just sat there :) [21:14] radi0head (n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:15] In fact, I've had firefox*exe on one of them's desktop. [21:15] and the usual suspects, like not flash, the other one there [21:16] shockwave..yea that one too, heh [21:16] http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1370 [21:16] lol [21:16] yea yea yea....go on an laugh [21:16] :) [21:17] we still love you even if "it" doesn't :P [21:17] hahah, [21:17] Old_Fogie: i got a good one for yea. We hired 2 new guys at work. One the one guys application it said Linux Experience. the person that highers people has no linux experance so he just ask the normal interview questions. So the other day i said how do you add a user to linux. Guys says o um you cant add a user in linux you have to run as root. After talking to him for a little while i found out this guy had ran as root o [21:17] n linux for 3 years. [21:17] well we were talking about that instant on bios, in 3 secnds that'd be awesome tho [21:17] lotec, oh wow, woh, ugh,, [21:18] lotec, what will they do , fire him? I mean he is still on probation no? [21:18] me and the other tech there just staired at him for a good 1 or so going no damn way. [21:18] I know I'd can him [21:18] 'can' [21:19] ulogd is quite cool [21:19] there's too many experienced linux/unix/bsd guys out there to spend money on, to keep that around imo. [21:19] well the Field tech that we work under asked us what we thought. so he wants us to try to get him in the right direction before his probation period is up. [21:19] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:19] Old_Fogie: we cant find anyone to come work man [21:20] Old_Fogie: its just something that no one bothered to do before, the instant on bios [21:20] lotec, can't find? where are you ? if you dont mind me asking (just wondering why no *nix experience there is all) [21:20] onced people see they have to travel. they say forget it [21:20] Tampa, FL [21:20] you dont have to answer lotec [21:20] o i dont care [21:20] lotec, really down there? that's a surprise [21:20] all it does is shutdown the system, start it up, and then put the system into s3/s4 [21:21] hell if anyone in here wants a job and is in Florida let me know :D [21:21] lotec, -20 windchill makes me want to come out of retirement, go to Fl :) [21:21] well, semi-retired [21:21] another 2 years tops, maybe 1 ... hopefully. [21:21] Old_Fogie: we interviewed over 1500 people man. either they have a master degree and want 120,000 a year or they dont want to travel. [21:21] it's -48 here [21:21] Old_Fogie: i'll employ you [ in bed ] [21:22] spook, hahahha [21:22] lotec: too bad I don't want to live in the states [21:22] whois twinreverb [21:22] opps [21:22] lol [21:22] lotec, oh I see what you're saying, you either got over experienced, or not experienced enough. not a mid-level payscale *nix candidates. [21:23] Damn good company great pay. just alot of travel [21:23] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062153222.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [21:23] lotec, we hired 2 of the interns we had working for us from the college. was best thing we ever did [21:23] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:23] <3 you guys [21:23] [ in bed ] [21:24] lotec, I was blown away how many of the college students actually new *nix. but people 10 years out of school when questioned were "lin-what?" [21:24] Old_Fogie: we are at the bottom of the barrell now. Interviewing guys that have little or no computer experance at all. we stil need 3 guys [21:24] lotec: whats the salary? [21:24] spook: do you have 2 legs? [21:24] lotec: yes. [21:24] starts around 50 for some experance [21:24] though i'm limping cause i'm treating a wart on my foot [21:25] o well i would tell you to come over but i have to have preety feet. [21:25] oh that's a splendid salary I'd think, shocked you didn't get more takers on that. [21:25] i'm into the 4th year of a 3rd year comp sci degree, 5 years nix experience, 10 years networking experience [21:25] lotec: relocation costs? green card? [21:26] Old_Fogie: results? [21:26] Action: Old_Fogie goes to look [21:26] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Old_Fogie: when i say some experance i do mean some. i am not a power nix user and they take good care of me. [21:27] DBAmethyst, amd is done in "real 84min" ; intel atom..still compiling. [21:27] wow, some of these are super great! http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1348 [21:27] atom is shit slow [21:27] spook: we actually have a few people from out of the states working at the office. But the contract we work on you would have to be in the office. Field techs have to have a us birth cert. and pass a governement back ground check [21:27] spook, I just wanted to see for myself ya know. [21:27] i use distcc to my q9450 when compiling on my eeepc [21:27] I should tell that to the next doc that calls me when I am on call :D [21:27] lotec: where in the us is it? [21:28] FL [21:28] spook, I find it surprisingly fast as a desktop use tho, typical day in / day out stuff ya know. [21:28] is there green card sponsorship? [21:28] Old_Fogie: yeah. i've fucked up the install on my eeepc. gonna install 12.2. it did have 12.1 on it [21:28] they will if need be. as i said we have a few in office building code that are sponsored [21:29] spook, 12.2 running the 2.6.27.10 kernel...going to put in 2.6.27.11 shortly tho. [21:29] wow that made no since what i just typed. [21:29] lotec: relocation cost? company housing? [21:29] j0z (n=JESUS@201-15-218-123.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:29] spook, 12.2 is a winer for me on this acer aspire one. slack 12.1 was 50/50 [21:29] spook no idea, i have not even asked about it [21:29] Old_Fogie: only bad thing is hsdpa support has regressed. [21:29] oh yea [21:30] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] 50 for someone who hasnt finished a degree is really freaking good. [21:30] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:30] spook, I agree [21:30] like here, we'd probally get 40 after getting BCompSci. and thats in AUD [21:30] for 50K here, I can get 1.75 tech's [21:31] spook i am over 50 and i dont even have my degree yet [21:31] 50USD would be really freaking awesome [21:31] lotec: Where are you again? [21:31] fl [21:31] spook, a job in the *this* economy " would be really freaking awesome" [21:31] for many [21:31] Hmm... even further than andarius. [21:31] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:32] 40K AUD is 26.4K USD [21:32] ch1ari (i=6565@189.44.254.39) joined ##slackware. [21:32] O.o [21:32] Avelino (n=Avelino@189-46-17-169.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:32] O.o <---It's "pidgin"! [21:32] :| [21:32] then again i really cant stand USA [21:32] lol [21:32] [ in bed ] [21:33] spook: your in bed to much. [21:33] drink some coffee [21:33] spook, you'll regret that, in 6-7 days..."mannah from Heaven" is going to rain down on all of us here :) [21:33] Action: spook only had 5 hours sleep [21:33] or we can send straterra over [21:33] For? [21:33] th3nux3r (n=th3nux3r@202.150.88.155) joined ##slackware. [21:34] i wonder how cool 4 screens would be [21:34] Old_Fogie: More like a plague of locusts. [21:34] straterra: keep spook out of bed. O wait what was i think. reverse that i ment in bed in bed sorry [21:34] Action: spook is waiting for a dell delivery of 4 pcs this afternoon [21:34] cm21 (i=1000@200-126-83-25.bk6-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [21:34] FriedBob, it's gonna be interesting ... I do know that..very inter-est-ing. [21:35] so i can try 4 screen setup [21:35] comp_ (n=comp_@210.150.186.60) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:35] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) joined ##slackware. [21:36] FriedBob: u get that printer working? [21:36] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [21:36] ok results are in amd/2500/1gig ram "real 84min" vs intel atom /1 gig ram "real 107m4.123s" to cook huge-smp-slack- 12.1 kernel on full clean install, no tweaks using huge smps huge kernel to cook them. DBAmethyst [21:37] Hello!!... It's normal a high CPU usage of adobe flash player plugin? [21:37] cm21: yes [21:37] well Old_Fogie, I got my video working with tvtime [21:37] eh, slakc 12.2 I mean [21:37] mrselfpwn, oh yea? [21:37] yep [21:37] was it as simple as swapping the input? [21:37] i left some features out of my kernel i had to slap in there [21:38] on tv time..swap input I mean? [21:38] oh [21:38] yes [21:38] Old_Fogie: what are the results? dude how can you build it up and not give results? [21:38] switched it [21:38] lotec, I did give results [21:38] 107 minutes for intel atom.. and 84 minutes for the amd [21:38] o as i was excuse me. [21:38] i have a slight problem though [21:38] Whay?... these is not happen on Windows [21:38] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:38] that's the "real" ffrom the "time make -j2" command :) [21:39] lotec, :) no prob [21:39] mrselfpwn: so does my wife i send her to a doctor he sends her back. [21:39] the picture of the video is slightly jagged [21:39] lol [21:39] mrselfpwn, ah so the swtich worked..see see I "knew" it would, my gut never lets me down :) [21:39] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [21:39] yep it did [21:39] mrselfpwn, intel video? [21:39] ? [21:39] nvidia [21:40] oh, hmmm...did you use alien bob's buildscripts? from *his* website ? [21:40] yes [21:40] hmm, odd [21:40] i am going to test in a seperate app now [21:40] your using nvidia blob drivers? [21:40] separate * [21:40] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.190) left irc: ":wq" [21:40] yes Old_Fogie [21:40] I'm inviting you to a video chat. Click here to join. [21:40] oops [21:41] disregard that [21:41] mrselfpwn, you using a high timer like 1k or so? [21:41] 300 [21:41] mrselfpwn, in your kernel and preemption? [21:41] why the high CPU usage of Flash player plugin? Is there a solution? [21:41] 300 is good..hmpff...dunno then [21:41] cm21, I get high cpu use, that's why I dont use flash, it's sux monkey nuts [21:42] cm21, file a bug and ask them to open source [21:42] I aint kidding. [21:42] cm21 you can disable hardware acceleration from the settings menu in flash [21:42] it helps some [21:42] yea i can conferm flash does infact suck monkey nuts [21:42] cm21, try changing the quality to low also, after you file the bug [21:43] cm21: What version of Flash? [21:43] 10 [21:43] the last one [21:43] cm21, you should have .xxx.yyy..or so after that [21:43] or you got cve's [21:44] wow, the camera even works with firefox and flash [21:44] though it still has that jagged effect [21:44] 10.0.15.3-i386-1sl [21:44] mrselfpwn, thru the tv card? [21:44] yes [21:45] it is basically a dmv type jcv camera [21:45] mrselfpwn, so how are you getting video from your "tvtime" to firefox? [21:45] like for video badging [21:45] i closed tvtime and went to fonoro [21:45] an online web conference sight [21:45] and it works [21:46] oh, I never heard of 'fonoro' before ok. [21:46] fonomo.com [21:46] excuse me [21:48] mrselfpwn, yes thanks for the link I'll check it out [21:49] well guys have a good one [21:49] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:49] catch yea all tommorow [21:50] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:50] Silentbob (n=CrashBan@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:50] Silentbob kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Now you have another problem. [21:52] laters, sleepytime [21:53] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:53] see, i could not get this cam to work in Vista 64 [21:53] cm21: adobe are shit programmers. [21:54] roccity_ (n=chatzill@125-236-128-98.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:54] and it works in linux with noo problems [21:54] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [21:55] er well, could not get the tuner card to work [21:55] so, what is the point of a Windows kernel, if you have to download drivers anyway? [21:56] couldn't they support things like linux does? [21:56] the point of a windows kernel is so you get a 'genuine advantage' and the music company's get 'genuine copy protections' [21:56] lol [21:56] :) [21:56] that's what i though [21:56] t [21:56] hehe [21:56] heh [21:57] nbuonanno_you (i=nbuonann@you.dontlike.us) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:57] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [21:57] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [21:58] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:00] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] pew pew [22:01] ?part [22:01] roccity_ (n=chatzill@125-236-128-98.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left ##slackware. [22:01] lasers [22:01] !lasers [22:01] the sound that lazers make [22:01] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] lasers are cool [22:03] they were testing the theory behind who really shot down the Red Barren. [22:03] I'M PICARD [22:03] The had a sharp shooter use a giant laser to see who probably killed the Red Barren. [22:03] He actually lit his cigar off of it. [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] I don't know what is cooler; lasers or cigar smoking sharp shooters [22:05] mrselfpwn: Cigar smoking lasers. [22:06] in soviet russia, cigar smokes you [22:06] lol [22:06] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:06] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: No route to host [22:07] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. 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[22:13] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] Action: spook clears some deskspace [22:14] nbuonanno_you (i=nbuonann@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [22:15] spook in soviet russia, desk cleans you [22:15] [ in bed ] [22:15] Old_Fogie: SYN? [22:15] SYN/ACK [22:15] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [22:15] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [22:15] ACK SYN [22:16] wrong [22:16] i dont know handshakes [22:16] SYN, SYN/ACK, ACK [22:16] eahaehheahea [22:16] lol [22:16] are u a machine? [22:16] spook: RST [22:16] noooo [22:16] FriedBob: NACK [22:16] checksum was corrupt [22:17] jkwood_ (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [22:17] Nick change: BP{k}_ -> BP{k} [22:17] sorenp1; u r a bot? [22:17] BP{k}: Oi oi! [22:17] spook; u r a bot? [22:17] no i'm just very nerdy [22:17] Well, that's... entertaining. [22:17] spook: Pakcets from you are ignored anyways - wasn't addressed to you. [22:17] very very [22:17] explain me [22:17] how does the three way handshake works? [22:18] ch1ari: 41. (I ate an apple) [22:18] i mean for christ sake i am about to have a 4 x 19" screen setuo [22:18] jkwood_ (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) left ##slackware. [22:18] spook: I wouldn't be happy wiht that. :/ [22:18] FriedBob; whats an apple? [22:18] spook: I need (but my wife would kill me if I did it) 2x 30" + 2x 24" [22:18] whaoouuu!! [22:18] ch1ari: SYN, i want to talk to you, SYN/ACK, okay are you sure?, ACK, yes i'm sure, now reserve some buffer space [22:19] 4x 19", its almost 80" [22:19] thats almost as big as my penis [22:19] congratulations [22:19] spook: Measuring using an electron microscope doesn't count. [22:19] you can f*** a female elephant [22:19] What do you recommend SatarOffice, KOffice or OpenOffice? [22:19] o r maybe a male one [22:19] <_NaCl_> That would probably split a female elephant in half [22:19] cm21: OpenOffice.org [22:20] cm21: Openoffice.org. [22:20] FriedBob: hola! [22:20] LOL [22:20] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@c-98-223-41-15.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] _NaCl_: thats why i sleep with only black elephants, they are used to it [22:20] _NaCl_; no man, i got a 77" one and my little terssa is fine [22:20] terssa , she's my elephant [22:20] BP{k}: Trying to get these &^%%$# printers working. [22:21] I just nuked and reinstalled CUPS, to start fresh. [22:21] black elephants can handle more? [22:21] <_NaCl_> II haven't even heard of black elephants. [22:21] just like an african swallow could carry a coconut [22:22] I have a fresh install of cups now. I had tried following some docs, but just mucked things up. [22:22] <_NaCl_> Depends on the size of the coconut, of course. [22:22] FriedBob: what kind of printer? [22:22] _NaCl_: african elephants [22:22] Can someone please help me get tihs working, so my wife will be happy. [22:22] in soviet union, coconuts carries you [22:23] BP{k}: HP DeskJet 610CL (parport) and HP PhotoSmart C5250 (USB) [22:23] FriedBob: see if the web interface detects your printer now [22:23] Looks like someone needs some Viagra spam :P [22:23] viagra? [22:23] do you have it? [22:24] XGizzmo: Under "find printers" section it says "no printers found" [22:24] Is that what you were referring to? [22:24] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Both are plugged in and turne on [22:24] FriedBob; what do u wanna print, anyway? [22:25] ch1ari: Does thatreally matter? Besides, if you were paying attention, you'd know that answer. [22:26] Or at least know that question is irrelevant as I am said I am trying to get this setup for my wife. [22:26] FriedBob: under admin hit find new printer [22:26] XGizzmo: I did - no printers founf [22:26] s/nf/nd/ [22:27] hmm [22:27] FriedBob whou.... i was just asking, and of course i was not paying attention [22:28] are there any printers listed? [22:28] but, i really think u deserve it [22:28] good look [22:28] fagg [22:28] luck [22:28] look [22:28] u dont have luck [22:28] rworkman: ping [22:28] ch1ari: Do me a favor, if you don't have anything useful to contribute, STFU [22:29] let me get my e-penis measuring stick out [22:29] lol [22:29] oh man this is gonna be awesome [22:29] what is STFU? [22:29] XGizzmo: Looks like some stuff from the old install got left behind, let me remove the package, nuke the directory by hand and reinstall. [22:29] spook EPIC even. [22:29] lol [22:29] ch1ari: If you can't figure it out, google it. [22:30] FriedBob: also restart cupsd [22:30] pleassseee tell me [22:30] i beggg you [22:30] ch1ari: http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/cutemyspacecodes/02/STFU/stfu2.jpg [22:30] tkz man [22:30] /facepalm [22:31] i'm not very used to english language [22:31] gtfo, really? [22:31] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:31] ch1ari: The english language isn't very used to you either. [22:31] baobao (n=MegaIRC@cpe-72-229-116-212.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "MegaIRC v3.96 http://ironfist.at.tut.by" [22:31] s/used/use [22:32] whats the correct form, please? [22:32] ch1ari: bugger off [22:32] ? [22:33] can you explain me what it means/ [22:33] ? [22:33] if [ ch1ari < english ]; then wget http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g166/cutemyspacecodes/02/STFU/stfu2.jpg [22:33] i got the STFU thing [22:33] ch1ari: sure, here: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/stfun00b.jpg [22:33] Shut The Fuck Up [22:34] in portuguese, whe say... CALA A BOCA [22:34] ch1ari: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/cluepon.jpg [22:34] but what means "bugger off" [22:34] ? [22:34] means gtfo [22:34] http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/planters.jpg [22:35] gtfo... get the fuck out? [22:35] very good! [22:35] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:35] ch1ari, means hasta la pasta [22:35] nice, i'm learning!!! [22:35] Nick change: sitwon_ -> sitwon [22:35] i love to [22:35] thanx buddies [22:36] FOAD [22:36] FOAD? [22:36] JFGI [22:36] STFW [22:36] GAFC [22:36] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:36] easy with me [22:36] gtfo can also be used as a term when you are very surprised about something like , shock or disbelief. [22:36] not always to be taken literal [22:36] ch1ari: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/hot-cup.jpg [22:36] <_NaCl_> Most of them have a similar translation, though... [22:37] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Connection timed out [22:37] thats something i dont knew [22:37] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [22:37] whow [22:37] HAANOSTFU ? [22:38] FOAD, tell me that one [22:38] you left out the C [22:38] C , from the cup [22:38] sorry [22:38] You are not high enough level to invent them ch1ari yet [22:38] HAANCOSTFU? [22:38] i was not inventing [22:38] http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/hot-cup.jpg [22:38] lol [22:38] too big [22:38] dont likt [22:38] FOAD?! [22:39] yes, please do [22:39] Fuck Off and Die? [22:39] lol [22:39] sad one [22:39] why so much hate in your little heart? [22:39] I don't like retards [22:39] i run a project [22:39] e-tards either [22:39] j0z (n=JESUS@201-11-10-60.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:39] its called STFU [22:40] danc3 so u don't like ur father?! [22:40] nerd rage [22:40] it happens! [22:40] Bots and ops are asleep at the wheel - again. [22:40] ch1ari: your photo portrait came in: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/headsup.jpg [22:40] sounds like my ex [22:41] man [22:41] that would be a good bumper sticker; "Nerd rage. It happens." [22:41] you should stop with these photos things [22:41] go masturbate yourself [22:41] yes, e-tard is my favorite [22:41] XGizzmo_: Any advice on getting a) the parport printer detected and b) the /admin accessible from my LAN? [22:41] fagget [22:41] okay here goes [22:42] ohhhh!!! [22:42] FriedBob: usb printer was found? [22:42] rworkman: ping [22:42] i'm afraid of your icmp [22:42] can i shout? [22:42] <_NaCl_> That will make them more angry. [22:42] HELL FUCKING YES [22:43] this is awesome [22:43] <_NaCl_> Big screens up? [22:43] XGizzmo: Yes, but I can't print to it - filter errors [22:43] ok, this went from entertaining to annoying. [22:43] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:43] i have screens covering like 150 degrees of vision [22:43] nice ass [22:43] i'm going to sleep [22:43] XGizzmo: foomatic blah blah blah hplip stopped with error 1 [22:44] bye, nerd rage [22:44] ch1ari (i=6565@189.44.254.39) left ##slackware. [22:44] hmmm what to do what to do [22:44] wow [22:44] nerd rage? [22:44] wow [22:44] <_NaCl_> Hm. Took him way too long to get that. [22:44] spook, compile gnome :) [22:44] Where did that tool learn to troll? [22:44] Old_Fogie: lol. [22:44] spook, heh, you asked :) [22:44] Dominian: [ in bed ] [22:44] doh [22:45] Action: spook noobfarms Dominian [22:45] Action: Dominian denies quote [22:45] although if you wait another 2 mins.. I won't be here to deny it [22:45] going to rebuild my firewall :P [22:45] and.. I'm out.. back later [22:47] FriedBob: try a diffrent driver [22:48] XGizzmo: I'm looking, I think I need the gutenprint one, if I can locate it. [22:48] FriedBob: as far as getting admin to work from the lan add a listen for your cupsd servers ip address and add allows for your subnet [22:48] FriedBob: have you tried the generic pcl 5 driver yet? [22:49] agentc0re: Not yet. I should have known better than to try the hplip one though, but it was the default when the printer was found [22:49] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:50] masterx831 (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [22:50] cm21 (i=1000@200-126-83-25.bk6-dsl.surnet.cl) left ##slackware. [22:52] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121vih.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:54] agentc0re: No dice, filter stopped with 127 [22:55] FriedBob: is this printer semi new? like, last year new? what is the brand again? [22:55] HP Photosmart C5250 and HP DeskJet 610CL [22:56] i wonder if a pcl 6 driver might work. [22:56] HP has been going that way, or 5e. [22:56] 610 cl works here with hplip [22:57] got one next to me [22:57] ppdev [22:57] i had to monkey around with the bios tho, cant recall if i'm using epp or ecp [22:58] bb, time for second dinner [22:58] that was what i was going to suggest. Maybe it has something to do with how the usb speed is setup in the bios. [22:58] what i dont get is why windows server has things like media player [22:58] Old_Fogie: No X, so no hplip [22:58] spook, don't you get board and use your servers to play all your music? :P [22:59] uh, no [23:00] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:02] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] FriedBob: here's how you get your printer working... go to this site: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_610CL and get the PPD file. Save this file in /usr/share/cups/model . Then restart the cups daemon, and use cups (localhost:631) to set up the new printer. Should work fine. Repeat for other printer you mentioned. [23:04] hmmm x is only using 8% of my ram to do this [23:04] spook: to do what? :) [23:04] 4 screens at 1280x1024 [23:05] Anyone know why my mouse stops working after I switch my KVM? It'd be nice to be able to copy/paste again. Mouse works in Windows on the other machine, just not on Slack. I have restarted gpm to no avail. [23:06] ps/2 ? [23:06] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:07] Aye [23:08] what is xorg.conf set to? [23:08] shrug [23:08] mrselfpwn: ?? [23:08] super star destroyers are awesome [23:08] for his mouse [23:08] mrselfpwn: I don't use X [23:08] hes in a console i assume since gpm is not working [23:08] ok [23:09] I don't have X installed at all. [23:09] i just read your last line [23:09] And I never will on this machine. [23:09] FriedBob: what resolution do you set your console at ? [23:09] his last line was i have restarted gpm to no avail [23:10] oh well [23:10] whatever wtf did you scroll back for? [23:10] rk4n3: Default right now, but usually 120xsometing, depends on which monitor I have setup and what looks best. [23:10] just want to make me look like an ass [23:11] ;) [23:11] mrselfpwn: You do a good enough job of that. ;) [23:11] I know [23:11] I'm capable. [23:11] I don't need your help. [23:11] FriedBob: aha - I could see staying out of X with a nice hi-res console and lots of cols-n-rows for screen :) [23:12] rk4n3: Normally do, just haven't gotten that far yet, and haven't had a reason to reboot for sometime now. [23:12] FriedBob: sweet - stability is nice ;) [23:13] rk4n3: 38 days and counting. Last reboots was due to hardware failure and trying to get some drives sorted out. [23:14] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@port.23.telnetd.org) joined ##slackware. [23:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:17] FriedBob: are you toggling the KVM switch back and forth between a Windows box and your Slackware box ? [23:18] this is awesome [23:18] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [23:19] spook: ? [23:19] rk4n3: Not often, but yes [23:20] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:20] FriedBob: not necessarily corresponding to when you lose gpm responsiveness ? [23:20] rk4n3: No, mouse stopped working after I switched the first time. [23:21] FriedBob: OK, so that first time - did it happen to be switching back to your linux console from a Windows box ? [23:21] dorayakikun (n=chotib@nat-172-16-cidr12.akakom.ac.id) joined ##slackware. [23:22] Only the two machines on this KVM. So yes. [23:22] I don't have my wibox on the KVM, I prefer to keep it solo so I can use both my slackbox and my winbox seperate, along side my mactop. [23:23] rk4n3: 4 screens. [23:23] dorayakikun (n=chotib@nat-172-16-cidr12.akakom.ac.id) left irc: "Leaving." [23:24] aha - it could be that the Windows mouse driver has more specific interactions with the mouse than the linux driver does, and basically leaves the mouse in a funky state when switched, and the linux driver doesn't know what to do with it and possibly burps [23:24] spook: I have 3 screens right now.. but each attached to a seprate system [23:24] FriedBob: is it a kind of mouse that has a specific Windows driver ? [23:24] rk4n3: Generic 2 button + scroll [23:25] FriedBob: ah, OK ... maybe that's not it [23:25] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] I had issues with a ps/2 mouse on my kvm on slack 12.1, so far seems gone on 12.2. dunno why [23:25] Still on 12.1 [23:25] yeah 12 kvm worked, 12.1 pita, 12.2 good [23:26] aha [23:26] Not really wanting to upgrade right now though. [23:26] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [23:26] I wonder if I could just upgrade gpm to the 12.2 version. [23:26] I could've sworn there was something in modprobe, or in /etc/rc.d talking about kvm ..can't recall which / whre it was, it was pointed out in 12.1 tho [23:27] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: Client Quit [23:28] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [23:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] FriedBob, : Wed Mar 19 19:34:38 CDT 2008 Default item to imps2, which works well with KVM boxes. [23:30] FriedBob, slack 12.1 changelog [23:30] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:31] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.144.73) joined ##slackware. [23:33] Old_Fogie: Thanks, I'll look into that some more once I get these printers sorted. [23:34] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:58] Copying off with a livecd would probably be easier. [23:59] yah.. [23:59] just checking [00:00] --- Thu Jan 15 2009