[00:00] Or why I don't mess with big desktop envs. [00:00] user2438 (n=user4592@adsl-99-54-4-157.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:01] ok, kwin did not like doing its present thing with mplayer running [00:02] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-167-205.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [00:03] I recently did a reinstall of current and remembered the amazingness of /usr/share/autostart/ [00:03] :P [00:04] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:06] What do people in here think about these two options: 1GB of DDR2 @ 533 in dual channel mode or 1GB of DDR2 @ 667 in single channel mode? [00:07] 667 for sure. [00:07] huge bandwidth increase. [00:07] Think it will make up for the lack of dual channeling? [00:07] absolutely [00:08] dual channel supposedly gives a 10-15% speedup relative to the real speed [00:08] Well, I dunno, might wanna send the hardware to me first for testing. [00:08] haha [00:09] i run 2x1GB 667 in dual channel on this machine, but i hardly didnt notice any difference when i took one of them out [00:10] Any suggestions for a benchmark? I can do it right now [00:10] only in video decode... but that is not because of the dual channel mode [00:10] Starting with the 533 in dual mode [00:10] antiwire: anything that itterates over large consecutive sets of data should benefit from dual channel [00:10] everything else doesnt really [00:10] kernel building? [00:11] not at all [00:11] like, make a 100MB array and sort it with bubble sort :P [00:11] Paragone (n=shane@rrcs-97-77-49-112.sw.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:12] hmm.. we really do need some big shiny benchmark tool in the FLOSS world [00:12] macavity: That rather depends on how many elements are in that 100MB array. [00:13] caoliver: anything C can hanle natively :P [00:13] when u issue a 'hostname' should u get the short name or fqdn ? [00:13] I get short [00:13] just the short name [00:14] memcmp(e1,e2,50<<20) [00:14] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:14] yeah, i always thought short name [00:14] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-139-149.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:14] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [00:14] antiwire: http://lbs.sourceforge.net/ [00:15] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] agentc0re: that's really just a collection of random apps [00:16] and: As of 2008-07-13 0:00:00 GMT, this project is no longer under active development. [00:16] does anyone in here use xrandr? [00:16] yep [00:17] though only to check if my computer detected the TV right [00:17] is it CLI only? [00:17] obviosly [00:17] desktop environments all have frontends for it [00:17] at least all the good ones [00:18] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:18] do you know what the KDE is one called? cause i have xrandr and and trying to get my dual head stuff right [00:19] guys [00:19] I have a question [00:19] regarding securito [00:20] meta question! [00:21] That's actually a preamble I guess [00:22] I want to know the most secure way to run network programs on slack [00:22] such as firefox, teamspeak mirc chat or online game [00:22] you have NO idea how big that question is... [00:23] should the programs be owned by root and run as user or owned by user [00:23] obviously they should be owned by root and run as user [00:23] oviosuly? cuz I use to set them as user [00:23] if they are owned by the same user how runs them, they could overwrite their own files if they are compromized [00:24] *user who runs them [00:24] tha'ts 1 and regarding firewall [00:24] that is why everything in /usr/bin is owned by root [00:24] why doens't slack have 1 [00:24] it does [00:24] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] you just didnt configure it yet [00:24] I use bt3 [00:24] FUCK OFF [00:25] :( [00:25] macavity: you are friendly tonight [00:25] this is not ##backtrack [00:25] how cum you got so cocky [00:25] heya,mfillpot [00:25] mfillpot: i have seen this SO many times before [00:25] MLanden: yo [00:25] bt3 is based on slackware yo [00:25] ur grumpy [00:25] lol [00:26] macavity: is he asking for help with another distro's problem in here? [00:26] it is NOT slackware [00:26] so ask in #bt3 then [00:26] mfillpot: yes [00:26] but am sure most of slack works here am not asking for kde [00:26] just configuration whichi should be the same [00:26] http://tinyurl.com/yaavkyp [00:26] is nto another distor man [00:26] toot toot! [00:26] is not gentu [00:27] that's right. 297 lolz from across the globe. [00:27] antiwire, lol....runnin' right off the track...:D [00:27] all at the same time. [00:27] hey.. werent you the guy who got banned not so long ago for asshatting on about google vs yahoo? [00:28] bobby (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] bobby (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left ##slackware. [00:28] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] Hello People. [00:28] I was checking systransoft [00:28] a translator software [00:28] we dont care [00:28] wb,slackwarebob [00:28] and inside that website were google analytics cookies [00:28] google cheats man dont' useit [00:28] :) [00:29] so I been using noscript a addon from mozilla [00:29] slackwarebob: good evening man [00:29] which I can choose the cookies per domain [00:29] Patero-ng: if you go down that lane again the same thing that happened the last time will happen [00:29] Patero-ng: What flavor was the coolaid? [00:29] mfillpot: Hello :) [00:29] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:29] Patero-ng: what does any of this have to do with slackware? [00:29] Patero-ng: since you dont use slackware you might as well just leave on your own accord [00:30] so I have an interesting question. which suspend says no suspend in ($PATH). But suspe completes suspend. suspend --help actually runs the command. [00:30] Action: macavity wants to, for the 1000th time, stab the bt developers for even mentioning which distro they forked off back in the day [00:30] bt dev? [00:30] and i *really* love that they use debian now [00:30] is not slackware as in the distro name but is similar and earlier I got help off here and it worked [00:30] slackwarebob: oh, its just Patero-ng being an ass on backtrack expecting support from us [00:31] slackwarebob, backtrack i think [00:31] hehe. [00:31] slackwarebob: suspend is a shell builtin. You are probably looking for pm-suspend [00:31] slackwarebob, continue with your interesting question [00:32] Patero-ng: back in the day BT was based off of slackware, now it is debian based you may get the help you need in their channel [00:32] I want to ask the linux community [00:32] I use bt3 man [00:32] is based on slack [00:32] I don't use bt4 cuz of the ubuntu flavor since am a pro [00:33] We don't care. [00:33] rworkman: he was banned here last week over this nonsense [00:33] rworkman: ok, interesting. I installed : ! http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/suspend/ [00:33] rworkman: obviously nothing has changed... [00:33] then the ban was wrong [00:33] NO [00:33] but wans't banned for this I was banned cuz I was acting cooky [00:33] it was not [00:33] thing I haven't yet [00:33] you were banned for being an idiot [00:33] I am being mys elf now [00:33] someone here wants me dead [00:34] slackwarebob: show me the package contents in a pastebin [00:34] I wanted to ask the linux community [00:34] for not realizing that WE DONT WANT your half baked, ill reputed, scriptkiddie infested, brian rotten cracker-wannabe distro here [00:34] when someone wants to know something please don't say google it say you can use a number of search engines [00:34] and use the one you think has not bias [00:34] this is not "the linux community".. this is the slackware specific community [00:35] The channel list looks familiar; did I do the ban? [00:35] I 'm a lony wolf k [00:35] Action: BP{k} shoots the wolf .. always wanted a pelt [00:35] rworkman: alienBOB did [00:35] rworkman: package contents? which file would you want to see? .info? or .SlackBuild? [00:35] slackwarebob: *package* contents. [00:35] BP{k}, save the eyeballs....(O)(O)...:D [00:35] rworkman: sorry. I just understood. [00:36] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [00:36] Kidpunkx_ (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] MLanden: they were destined for the soup. [00:36] lol....bon appetit...:P [00:38] rworkman: http://dpaste.com/144952/ [00:38] slackwarebob: so what makes you think there would be a 'suspend' in PATH? [00:38] Look at your pastebin :) [00:39] rworkman: when a n00b downloads a package called suspend, he expects a "suspect". [00:39] rworkman: in showing you the list, I just learned that it has s2ram and s2disk. [00:39] lol [00:39] and I would love using pastebin [00:39] I just worry about anonymity and privacy [00:39] Well, then a noob was just educated. :) [00:39] rworkman: he sure was. [00:39] :) [00:39] Patero-ng, hey im logging what you say and putting it on a web site [00:39] i like to edit pastebins before people get the chance to look at them and insert false errors. [00:39] nobody gets any troubleshooting done that way [00:39] we have laws that can legalt spy on us since 2001 [00:40] put that on ur blog [00:40] ** Now ignoring Patero-ng [00:40] fne [00:40] i blogged it in 2001, when blogging wasn't trendy [00:40] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [00:40] Carlynda (n=Carlynda@adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] Kairi (n=Kairi@adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] penis xd [00:40] penis xd [00:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:40] Channel flood from Carlynda -- kicking [00:40] penis xd [00:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:40] penis xd [00:40] Carlynda kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:40] penis xd [00:40] Carlynda (n=Carlynda@adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] Channel flood from Kairi -- kicking [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] Kairi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:40] Kairi (n=Kairi@adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] Channel flood from Kairi -- kicking [00:40] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:40] Kairi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:41] rworkman: ok, strap the boot :P [00:41] oh good, that's what was needed, brazillian scriptards flooding the channel. [00:41] JOIN flood from @adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com! Banning. [00:41] Kairi (n=Kairi@adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com) joined ##slackware. [00:41] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:41] Carlynda kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: join flood [00:41] Kairi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: join flood [00:41] so long, scriptards [00:41] What the Hell!?! [00:41] lol [00:41] Bots? [00:41] someone must really like rworkman. [00:41] haven't seen that in a while [00:41] Fucking morons. [00:41] Annoying. [00:41] full moon south of the equator? [00:42] Kidpunkx (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:42] werdan7 (n=w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7) joined ##slackware. [00:42] werdan7: already handled locally :) [00:42] cool :) [00:42] rworkman: they never have fscked they just play with themselves. [00:42] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:43] rworkman: we ought to rename slackboy to ED209 :P [00:43] XGizzmo: apparently :) [00:43] shoot first, ask later [00:44] ^ macavity's motto when it comes to playing with himselfr [00:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:45] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Action: macavity gives eviljames a laparotopmy [00:45] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:45] whiskas (n=mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] dang, i thought k9copy was kde-free app despite the "k" [00:46] but what do we find in the processes list a day later [00:47] lol...all guts,true gory...:P [00:47] kded4 and kdeinit [00:47] fhobia: kthe kworld kbelonks kto uks! [00:48] btw k9copy is a mess [00:48] just like i guess all the kde apps that are trying to transition [00:48] seems fine here [00:48] macavity: you probably meant, kall kyour kbase kare kbelong kto kus. [00:49] slackwarebob: nekatory, kwe kare knot like mikrosoft [00:50] oh why hate mikrosoft? [00:51] bekause they suck? [00:51] like any other die hard proprietary software shop [00:51] I'm not against proprietary. I just want the thing to run. [00:52] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] and if it runs and works fine like win7 and doesn't die every other day like kde, I"ll vote it ok. [00:52] ive gotten my fingers jammed in the door on that account sufficiently many times to refuse to get into their crap ever again [00:53] hehe, experiecnes are funny thing. depending on what you want accomplished, you may walk away with a totally different experience on the same product than another person. [00:54] slackwarebob: all you can do is use the best tool for the job, in my experiences the MS solutions are rarely the best tools for my needs. [00:54] mfillpot: that's what I mean. It depends on what you want accomplished. [00:55] for what its worth: i will never lock my data into an MS fileformat ever again [00:55] and something don't have an equivalent in linux. [00:55] I'm ok with their fileformat. I just don't want some dumb OS like vista. [00:55] macavity: That's "Allk Yourk Ks are Beklonk tok us!" [00:55] with the notable exception of .avi :P [00:55] I want to run win7. [00:55] slackwarebob: all your crack are belong to me. [00:55] cracked warez? [00:56] but if anyone is looking for my data files, they can take the ssh tunnel straight to heck. [00:57] of course looking without my permission, that is. [00:58] hmm anybody use a laptop with switchable graphics in linux and had success ? [00:58] slackwarebob: well, you don't want vista but you like win7. and kde crashes daily for you. I'd say the drugs are have taken hold and you need to start sharing :P [00:58] fhobia: 'switchable' ? [00:59] http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002Q8HK7K [00:59] that only means you don't run win7 and KDE on a regular basis. [00:59] or you wouldn't say that. [00:59] for what it's worth, I like KDE and hope 4 can get stable soon. [01:00] I use kde4 exclusively in my house. [01:00] ok, that's good to know. [01:00] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] s/kde4/gnome/ [01:00] Action: fire|bird ducks [01:00] :P [01:00] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [01:00] this is an honest question: do you have issues with it crapping out. especially when using lot of widgets on screen? [01:01] Action: eviljames throws an empty coffee cup at fire|bird [01:01] KDE on -current is pretty good [01:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:01] eviljames: Was that your "Love garfield but hate Mondays" cup? :P [01:01] slackwarebob: On my laptop, I keep 3 folder views, weather, clock, system monitors, news feed and e-mail feed in various plasmoids. [01:01] fill that coffee cup up ! [01:01] Action: MLanden dunks a doughnut in the coffee flying by [01:01] haha [01:01] slackwarebob: c2d, 2gb ram, no flaws. [01:01] apparently i just discovered that there is still a small issue with composte and mplayer :P [01:01] KDE on -current is much better than the KDE4 on kubuntu. that was really crapping out on my lappie. [01:01] KDE4 is steadily improving every update on -current looks better [01:02] james, similar spec, but especially suspend to disk and resume really only works every other times. It requires hard boot. Suspend to ram, boots up but odens't start the monitor. [01:02] KDE4 look are definitely cool. that's why I keep using it despite the issues. Until today. I just moved to xfce and now to fluxbox. [01:03] slackwarebob: that's weird. my laptop does not exhibit those issues. intel graphics? also, I don't use power saving on my desktop, but I have a similar number of widgets open at any given time. [01:04] james, I have nvidia. [01:04] slackwarebob: only on the very latest -current have I noticed some flaws, but I have yet to investigate them.. I have a feeling it has to do with strigi [01:04] oh I disabled strigi, nepomunk, and any other monks. [01:05] I'm running pekwm + rox, not so much for bug reasons, but that Gnome and KDE eat too many resources for my taste. [01:06] Whenever possible I buy more resources. [01:06] I like the lappie, it works great. I just got tired of resuming from disk and something doesn't start right. [01:06] fhobia: I haven't used such a thing as the laptop you posted [01:06] however a reinstall will fix many issues. [01:07] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:07] eviljames: guess you hit a button and it goes from integrated graphics to discrete graphics [01:07] brb. [01:07] eviljames: i saw the feature last year on a thinkpad [01:07] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:07] that still has sketchy support at best even with the latest xorg-server [01:08] and it is a total no-go with 1.6.x [01:10] is hal an official part of xorg? [01:11] nope [01:11] hal ::shudder:: [01:11] and hal is about to get retired [01:11] yay! :-D [01:12] retired? [01:12] in favor of devicekit [01:12] some of hal will be moved to libudev and the rest to devicekit [01:12] oh interesting. [01:12] I thought a lot of that was getting rolled into udev. [also shudder!] [01:12] I guess the liked the idea of hal, but I haven't had enough experience to know the reason why it's being upgraded. [01:12] lol [01:13] macavity: I just got used to hal, I am hoping that the change doesn't hit us too soon. [01:13] anything to help wiht plug and play is cool [01:13] mfillpot: this is slackware... we wont see it untill it is both ready and a major version bump is pending [01:13] I like the good old manual mounting, it didn't eat memory [01:14] hal didnt automatically mount [01:14] macavity: that is what I was thinking [01:14] it just notified, via dbus, that the device was detected [01:14] its the DEs that doe the automounting [01:14] *do [01:15] Still... that's a lot of moving parts if you don't want them. [01:15] yup [01:15] yeah :-/ [01:15] it was a bug that xorg 1.6 wouldnt start without hald/dbus [01:15] I don't run systemwide dbus or hald, but need the client libraries to start X. [01:16] caoliver: you got it to start? [01:16] I always get good information in here [01:16] There is a ServerFlags stanza you can add to xorg.conf to get around that. [01:16] ah, nice [01:16] Hang a sec. One pastebin coming up. [01:16] no need [01:16] I wish someone would invent a filesystem that, if the activity light on the device is off, it's always safe to remove the device [01:16] i run full blown KDE shop here :P [01:17] automounting is only interesting to me if I can also yank the drive/stick/whatever without having to manually umount it [01:17] clear [01:17] sorry [01:17] But the activity light might come back on. [01:17] Urchlay: there are filesystems that do that. [01:17] Urchlay: i belive you can tell the kernel how to flush the device's cache/buffers after each write [01:17] Urchlay: at least, optionally. [01:17] mounting? [01:18] yeah, but if it went out, the FS would have been in a consistent state. If some process wakes up after yankage and wants to write, it gets an error [01:18] eviljames: iirc you can set the flush policy kernel wide [01:18] you can umount automatically on yank? thats possible ?? [01:18] I just use Debian's pmount/pumount for that. [01:18] fhobia: not that I know of, no [01:18] the best is nfs mounts and then walking away out of wifi range. freaking hangs like crazy. [01:18] lol [01:18] ahahahah ouch [01:19] I wish there was a utility that stopped you from walking away out of wifi range without umounting nfs mounts. [01:19] Oh gawd! You remind me of school where our Suns were always hanging because of a flaky NFS server or net connection. [01:19] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:19] It's called a ball and chain. [01:19] but that imaginary util has a better chance of being produced than NFS getting their act together. [01:19] the device?... or NFS? [01:19] "I lost my lucky ball & chain, now she's 4 years gone" [01:20] caoliver: you use debian's pmount/pumount on slackware? [01:20] Yup. [01:20] lol...Urchlay...they might be giants? [01:20] MLanden: ding ding ding, we have a winner! [01:20] It builds fairly easily, and I added a hack to permit ACL mounts. [01:21] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) left irc: "leaving" [01:21] SBo has pmount, I just noticed... maybe will play with it [01:21] caoliver: does (or can) pmount automount on plugging in a USB device? [01:22] No. It's just a wrapper on SUID mount. [01:22] Urchlay, had to youtube that one...been a while since I heard it..:D [01:22] I suppose you could get your desktop environment to run it. [01:23] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] I'm out for the night, enjoy the rest of your day [01:23] It does however handle LUKS automagically if you use that. [01:23] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:25] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [01:25] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [01:26] what I want is something that magically mounts USB sticks on insert and isn't part of a "desktop environment". I won't be switching away from windowmaker, been using it 10+ years [01:28] Perhaps there's a way of getting udev to notify you. That sounds like a lot of messing about though. [01:30] if all pmount does is save me having to type sudo in front of the mount command, I'll give it a miss [01:32] attempting suspend. [01:32] why does no software work without reading man pages first. argh!!!! [01:33] there's a covert effort underway to educate users. [01:33] hahahah [01:33] slackwarebob: i think all software should have some obscure .file setting that translates into "yes-i-read-the-manpage=true" :P [01:33] and I for one will not be a party to it. [01:34] forget it, I'll FF3 it later. for now, I'll just use the ancient pm-hibernate. :) [01:34] slackwarebob: obviously it should be something totally plausible for that applications, like "videouvspanning=true" in mplayerrc to signal that you actually read the manpage [01:34] pm-hibernate is ancient ? [01:35] and untill you get it right, the app bombs out with a new random error message each time :P [01:35] lol, mplayer has so many settings, you need a PHD in software engineering just to configure it. [01:35] shit, i just got used to that system [01:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [01:35] random error? can you imagine the pastebins and users helping in linux channels. [01:35] ok, pressing [01:35] slackwarebob: No. You need to be rainman to remember them all. [01:37] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:38] i think i'm catching the linux user syndrom of liking nasty color combinations [01:39] it's a joke, pm-hibernate failed. [01:39] son of a debian. [01:39] lol [01:39] are you sure its not the nvidia drivers that have a problem? [01:40] every time the kernel cleans up some internal strcucture nvidia breaks [01:40] fhobia, such as eggshell whites and mustard yellows? [01:40] lime green text on pink [01:40] blue and teal [01:40] macavity: not to mention, kernel devs have no way of predicting what will break nv chips [01:40] bleah, every time I run "make menuconfig" I wonder what's wrong with Linus's eyes [01:40] fhobia: Eh? Do Linux users typically have cruddy looking colors on their screens? [01:40] the only difference between nvidia and proprietary ati in this regard is that ati is nine months fixing it.. nvidia only three or four [01:40] macavity: but i suppose our stances on freedoms are well documented. [01:40] lol.....OUCH,,,,@_@ [01:40] caoliver: yeah, especially fvwm users [01:41] well, every time I forget to run "TERM=vt100 make menuconfig", which puts it back to white-on-black [01:41] eviljames: obvously.. the local Free Software zealots never go unheard :P [01:41] Ah! I did have a jarring chartreuse and magenta backdrop back during my fvwm days. [01:41] go goth and have it pitch black with painful reds...:D [01:46] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.73.252) left irc: "Leaving" [01:52] Urchlay: What's wrong with menuconfig? [01:54] caoliver: grey background [01:54] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [01:54] actually the colors have changed since I first started hating it, it used to be something even more hideous [01:55] like yellow on white [01:55] What are you running it on? [01:55] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Client Quit [01:55] Terminal I mean. [01:55] I prefer light on dark for all text [01:55] eh? slackware64 13, xterm [01:55] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:56] Green or amber? Miss the vt220? [01:56] still have a vt220 :) [01:56] (I do, but it hasn't been hooked up in 4 or 5 years now) [01:57] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:57] http://imagebin.org/79838 <--- that's what it looks like, to me that's kinda ugly [01:58] i love clicking links in my link enabled urxvt [01:58] Action: fhobia dances happily [01:59] and yes, the blue colors are custom (much lighter than the stock xterm dark blue) [01:59] me too :) [02:00] Urchlay: But you don't have to look at it that often or that long. [02:01] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:01] depends. If I'm going thru the whole thing, starting with the -huge or -generic config, disabling everything I won't ever need (e.g. parallel port SCSI emulation, IBM XT hard disk support, ...), then yeah, it takes a while [02:01] no doubt [02:02] I usually start from the last /proc/config.gz on the machine I'm building for. [02:02] to me, this is easier on the eyes: http://imagebin.org/79841 [02:02] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:02] i need more pink and lime green [02:03] I'd need to dim down those letters. [02:03] you know one thing i don't miss from windows much? [02:03] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) joined ##slackware. [02:03] wingdings [02:03] my monitor's brightness is probably dimmer than yours [02:03] what a useless font [02:04] fhobia: I wish my q6600 machine wasn't down. I'd have the perfect background for you. [02:05] lol [02:06] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [02:06] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:08] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [02:09] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:12] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:12] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:16] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:17] fhobia: http://imagebin.org/79842 [02:17] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:17] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:17] oh man [02:18] that goes perfect with my pink and lime green moc [02:18] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:19] I liked to put that up back when I admined as school to annoy people who asked too many err.... silly questions. I did fun fvwm back then too. [02:20] s/as school/at school/ [02:20] s/fun/run/ [02:20] Back then, I was able to type accurately. :-( [02:20] 8) fvwm is so powerful [02:21] I've grown rather fond of pekwm, but there are some warts needing fixing. [02:21] i heard pekwm helps you get girlfriends [02:21] it said so on the webpage so [02:22] I must have not gotten the memo. [02:22] lol [02:22] i'm using xmonad to try out tiling window manager [02:23] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:23] Have you written in Haskell before? [02:23] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:23] nope but i am sort've using this as an excuse to learn [02:23] so i'm going through some guides online [02:23] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:23] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:24] tiling window manager is really great for terminal applications, but i'm not sure for other stuff that use gtk and kde [02:25] I understand. Another tiler is ion, but the author's attitude leaves something to be desired. [02:26] I'm also not sure I want my emacs windows stretched around every time something come on or off the screen. [02:27] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:27] macavity (n=macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: "leaving" [02:27] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:28] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:30] yeah, i think the ion author got so frustrated he went to windows [02:30] hope he's enjoying the new "snap" feature !!! [02:30] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:31] He tended to snap a bit. I sent some quite reasonable bu reports, and I got my head bitten off. [02:31] s/bu/bug/ [02:31] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] Hello People. [02:33] People might be exaggerating the case. [02:33] But hello anyhow. [02:34] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:34] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:35] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:40] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:40] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] Hello People. [02:40] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [02:42] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com expired. [02:42] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@adsl-69-57-237-66.bras.anguillanet.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:43] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [02:43] hello slackwarebob [02:43] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:44] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-49-167.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [02:45] hello alisonken1noc :) [02:45] good day to you [02:45] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@80-123-58-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:45] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:45] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:47] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Morning :) [02:49] have anyone here tried the free kernel from la fsf? [02:51] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] the last time i compiled a kernel was some 2 3 4 who knows years ago, when installing gent**. i run 13.0. can i download the kernel config for 2.6.32 from current? [02:52] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:52] egregor, get the generic kernel package from -current, explodepkg it and grab the config. [02:53] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/slackware/a/kernel-generic-2.6.32.3-i486-1.txz [02:53] oops, not that one :) [02:53] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/slackware/a/kernel-generic-smp-2.6.32.3_smp-i686-1.txz <-- this one [02:54] "the free kernel from la fsf"... what, the HURD? [02:54] fwiw con koliva's ck patchsets are back on kernel.org mirrors [02:54] Urchlay: haha [02:55] the hurd ftw [02:55] slava_dp: thanks. hope it will not ruin my system haha [02:55] the kolivas patches are what, hard realtime oriented? [02:56] egregor, http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ <-- use this as a base and you'll be fine ;) [02:56] no no [02:56] http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/ [02:56] this ^ [02:56] Urchlay [02:56] desktop useage hard pre-emption yeah [02:56] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:56] slava_dp: ok =) [02:56] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:56] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:57] fwiw linux-libre just gets rid of the firmware blobs and friends. [02:57] egregor: ah. eh, I didn't know there were people who didn't think linux was free enough [02:57] thought the plain kernel had a config option to do that already? [02:57] makes Stallman happy [02:59] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:59] nothing makes stallman happy I thought [02:59] well, for me i think its fine, i don't need those drivers, my mobo is even made from stone. =P [02:59] happy people don't become politital agitators [03:00] er, political, either [03:01] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [03:02] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:03] hey Chattanooga's|Simbirsk's [03:03] err Urchlay [03:03] hey, degenerating|shelters [03:05] dive: ping [03:05] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:07] fire|bird, Simbirsk? [03:07] MLanden: A city in Russia [03:07] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:07] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:08] fire|bird, gotcha..sounded like a deli for a second..:D [03:08] MLanden: haha, yeah, I thought the same. [03:13] Masterx841 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:13] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-31.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:14] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:14] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [03:14] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:16] Kidpunkx_ (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:18] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:20] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. 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[03:57] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.204.57) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:59] Does Slackware have binutils? [03:59] yah [04:00] $ ls /var/adm/packages/binutils* [04:00] /var/adm/packages/binutils-2.18.50.0.9-x86_64-2 [04:00] Oh, it's in the d/ series [04:05] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:06] Nick change: rrh_ -> rrh [04:06] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:06] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [04:10] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.213.184) joined ##slackware. [04:11] quick script to generate tagfiles based on installed packages: http://www.pastebin.org/75991 for those interested [04:12] alien had a script do do that iirc [04:12] most likely, but i like re-inventing the wheel :-) [04:13] Hmm. [04:14] Seems llvm is looking for an include file from binutils that the one in Slackware doesn't have. [04:15] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:15] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-31.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:15] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:15] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.213.184) left irc: "Leaving" [04:15] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:17] could anyone please try and build wxGTK from slackbuilds.org? it fails for me somehow :( [04:18] Zosma (i=jorrit@130.89.163.49) joined ##slackware. [04:21] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:22] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:22] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.95.69) left irc: "leaving" [04:24] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [04:25] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.229) joined ##slackware. [04:26] clear [04:26] slava_dp: builds fine here. [04:26] thank you very much, urthwrm. ahem, then I blame virtualbox. [04:26] I have -current installed [04:27] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [04:27] g++: internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1plus) [04:27] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: SendQ exceeded [04:28] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [04:28] what other webcam viewers are there except wxcam, ones that do not require wxGTK? :) [04:28] mrselfpwn, thank you too. [04:29] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [04:29] do you have sound in virtualBox ? [04:29] oxiredo, i do. [04:29] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [04:29] slava_dp: you can setup your card with tvtime [04:30] mrselfpwn, i just want to view the video. [04:30] it usually works when others might fail. [04:30] slava_dp, what sound driver u select? oss ? [04:30] oh well you can do that [04:30] it's actually perfect for that [04:30] seb6896 (n=seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] oxiredo, i did zero configuration. sound works both in windows and slackware 13.0 guests out of the box. host os is slackware 12.2, host sound device is intel HDA. [04:31] what version of vbox u have? [04:31] latest [04:31] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> wario [04:32] stunix (i=1000@85.19.141.138) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:32] i only have sound in client OS (windows) when i select the OSS drive (but that disable sound in host System [04:33] stunix (i=1000@85.19.141.138) joined ##slackware. [04:34] oxiredo, did you install guest additions? [04:34] yes [04:34] (dunno if that is related) [04:35] #vbox ;-) [04:35] although they did not seem to be very competent with linux yesterday,. [04:36] there is not a big activity... ( no answer yet) [04:38] What potential drawbacks are there to updating binutils on my box? [04:40] slava_dp: have you checked vb forum ? there's a thread called "simultaneous sound on guest and host" [04:40] slava_dp: http://forum.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21336 [04:40] seb6896, i have it working out of the box (i think) [04:42] pulseaudio is evil. [04:44] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:45] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Axius (n=oijhif@92.82.64.186) joined ##slackware. [04:52] While building q4wine using sbopkg for Slackware 13.0 I get this error:http://pastebin.com/d147a885. How do I fix this? [04:58] lechiffre, did you read the README to see what prerequisites you needed? [04:59] lechiffre, it seems that you have to build and install icoutils package before building q4wine. [04:59] :p just saw that. thanks guys. [04:59] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] spook (n=spook@202.89.167.144) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:01] what's the use of q4wine at all? [05:02] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-187.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [05:02] slava_dp looks like a GUI interface for wine. Going to try it for first time. [05:02] methinks winecfg + wine is more than enough :) [05:03] wine makes desktop files these days. [05:04] slava_dp desktop files? [05:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:04] what you have in your menu are .desktop files. launchers for programs. [05:05] hmm.. ok thanks. [05:06] Compiling new binutils. [05:06] kimjeng (n=mike@196.201.218.234) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Wish me luck. [05:07] Action: slava_dp pats ccfreak2k on the shoulder: "It'll be good, buddy" :) [05:09] Action: lechiffre good luck freak :-p [05:12] Is there a good indexed file searching utility for ext4 FS? . In windows I had voidtools's "Everything" for NTFS. The only thing I miss in linux. [05:13] hi anyone know an excellent network card supported by slack 13 ? [05:15] The mousewheel stopped working in X. [05:15] xev isn't showing anything happening. [05:17] Oh there we go, I just had to move the mouse between boxes a few times. [05:17] how can i remove virtualBox from Slackware 13.0 64bit ? [05:20] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [05:20] kimjeng: Intel PRO/1000 GT [05:20] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E345F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] rapid_ (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [05:21] lechiffre, slocate? [05:23] lechiffre: if you want one that lists metadata, try tracker [05:26] ccfreak2k slocate looks good thanks. I just did slocate -u. I hope it would be good. [05:27] BadAtom Thanks. What is metadata? [05:27] lechiffre, it updates every day at 4AM, but if you want it to be updated in real-time, you'd have to get something else that I can't rmemeber. [05:27] mlocate or something. [05:28] Thanks ccfreak2k . [05:29] lechiffre: it'll tell you things besides the filename, like what type of file it is and a brief description [05:29] Upgrading binutils, here we go. [05:30] lechiffre, file creation/modification/access date, permissions, etc. [05:30] These are all metadata. [05:30] lechiffre, kde4 integrates some search, like strigi or i can't remember what. just activate it. [05:32] BadAtom ccfreak2k Thanks It looks like it's for gnome :( Any luck with kde4.2 in Slackware? [05:33] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:33] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.214.149) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] slava_dp strigi sucked resources like anything so I had to deactivate it. Besides I couldn't quite work it out. I dabbled with strigiclient for hours for nothing :( [05:34] BadAtom: i can use that on a wifi network? [05:34] The update is a success so far. [05:34] Action: lechiffre with me luck that is ;) [05:35] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:36] kimjeng: no, that's an ethernet NIC [05:36] Hi all [05:36] if you're looking for wireless, what wireless router are you using? [05:36] I'm so glad to be part of the slackwore community [05:37] BadAtom: im looking for hard ware that will get my pc conected to the wi fi available to my campus [05:38] kimjeng: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compatibility_drivers#which_is_the_best_card_to_buy [05:39] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [05:39] I was just reading tha article [05:40] Rossonero (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [05:41] spooky [05:42] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines#Desktop_search_engines > lechiffre [05:47] thanks slava_dp :) slocate turned out to be very useful too. thanks ccfreak2k [05:47] hwk (n=hwk@CPE-121-214-172-211.lnse3.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:49] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-187.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:51] BadAtom : thanks [05:51] kimjeng (n=mike@196.201.218.234) left irc: "Leaving" [05:53] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.82.234) joined ##slackware. [05:55] eit [05:55] ,,,, I can't type today [05:55] hwk (n=hwk@CPE-121-214-172-211.lnse3.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [05:56] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:56] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [05:58] I need to do some slackbuild trickery to get it to build. [05:58] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:00] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:01] make [06:01] says can't do a 2.6 wiht a non 2.6 source [06:02] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:04] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [06:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:07] garme (n=garme@201009144186.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:08] garme (n=garme@201009144186.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: SendQ exceeded [06:08] garme (n=garme@201008117039.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:09] garme (n=garme@201008117039.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: SendQ exceeded [06:11] Shuren (n=Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:13] seb6896 (n=seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [06:13] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [06:14] hello there people [06:14] I have an issue [06:14] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:14] _slax0r_ (i=fire@2001:15c0:66ca:0:0:0:0:b4) joined ##slackware. [06:14] would it be ok to ran firefox as root [06:16] How do you ran firefox? [06:16] eh [06:16] would it be ok to run firefox as another user named root [06:16] guax (n=guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [06:16] and suply my password which is alzaimer [06:17] Why would you give your password out to a public channel? [06:17] Rossonero (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:17] I meant to say that I wrote it when I was shaking [06:18] **nothing personal has been reelaved** [06:18] :P [06:18] amine_ (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [06:18] From what I've heard, running much of anything as root isn't a good idea. [06:18] but whata rre the risks of doing that on firefox [06:18] let's say if I ent-er a site that wants to install worms on me [06:18] Drive by downloads I suppose. [06:19] Nick change: amine_ -> Rossonero [06:19] Though I don't think Linux users have much of a problem there. :P [06:19] how come [06:20] Not many virii/trojans target Linux [06:21] kitche_ (i=kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [06:21] but waht if a entity wants to target linux by redirecting his ip [06:21] to sites similar to the one u plan to go but with viruses made ofr linux [06:21] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:22] if a windows lover want sto hurt us [06:22] If a windows user wasn't lazy. :P [06:23] and my other question is hwo to find out what program is my icon or shorcut poitiunt too [06:23] Not running firefox as root in the first place would be your best plan of action. [06:23] when I upgrade firefox it install on another folder but leaves the previous 1 [06:23] garme (n=garme@201009144186.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:23] I have firefox and mozilla [06:23] Have you tried right clicking and choosing properties? [06:23] on usr/lib [06:23] yea it only says firefox [06:23] Nick change: zecafig -> zecareuniao [06:24] what kind of a gong show is going on here? [06:24] am the master [06:25] and Iam waiting for disastro [06:25] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [06:27] with linux I feel like I'm back home [06:27] windoze is rly that a addictive machine [06:29] so can anytbody tell me if linux can play games [06:29] Sure. [06:30] but can it play like winning eleven 8 pc [06:30] Linux has games of its own, and you MIGHT be able to play your favorite Windows games on Wine [06:30] I have installed xapian-core and recoll. When I start xapian it reports xapiandb not found. Anybody know how to fix this? [06:30] can I use wine to run it [06:31] start *recoll* not xapian [06:32] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wmtrfrkghreigzza) joined ##slackware. [06:32] how good is wine to emule games or progies [06:32] arka (i=axius@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@server1.bshellz.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:32] I was using wine to emule peslauncher [06:32] arka kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Stop wasting my oxygen. [06:32] :/ why did u kick arka [06:33] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:33] rapid_ (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:33] Patero-ng: Seems to be an auto kick. P [06:33] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:33] :P* [06:34] Hi. Please pm me if you want invites on a torrent tracker. I have a few day remaining until they will erase all of them. [06:34] Azeotrope, this isn't undernet / gamesurge [06:35] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-49-167.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:35] Ok. Sorry [06:35] ok so I had an issue with peslauncher [06:35] the jpg font coldn't show up [06:36] jpg skin how can I update wine [06:37] there are many progies that come with bt3 that I can update or must need update includdng konqueror [06:37] Patero-ng: this *ain't* a support channel for backtrack. [06:38] lol there seems to be no heuristic in slackboy's algorithm for kicking [06:38] but [06:38] bt3 uses slackware as base [06:38] #remote-exploit is over there. -------> [06:38] ok dude [06:39] Patero-ng, we don't provide support for SLAX, BT3 or anything else based on Slackware. [06:40] is sad to see you go [06:40] Not even Slamd64, to my klnowledge. [06:40] Patero-ng (n=dragon@174-23-33-43.slkc.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:40] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [06:43] lol, the guy uses backtrack and runs firefox as root. just LOL [06:43] Axius (n=oijhif@92.82.64.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:43] now if someone doesn't mind helping you, that's different, but this isn't a direct place to get help for something that is not technically Slackware [06:43] granted there is always #linux [06:45] Razec (i=1000@187-27-246-109.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:45] slava_dp bt users are expected to know the risks of that according to their site. [06:47] http://www.backtrack-linux.org/faq/ [06:47] Action: Delahunt nods [06:47] Action: Delahunt watches slackware compile [06:48] DUDES [06:48] backtrack for is Ubuntu-based. [06:50] Azeotrope: what kind of stuff have you been smoking? [06:50] lol [06:55] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:55] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:56] i have suggestion for slackboy [06:56] hmm.. looks like Azeotrope is right afterall. bt >4.x is based on Ubuntu it seems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions [06:56] any ops around .. ? [06:56] anake. check it. ubuntu-based [06:56] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [06:56] suggestions goes like this .. its called 'The Vote Ban' [06:56] if people here doesn't like a troll guy.. we could vote him to be kicked out. [06:57] Axius (n=fd@92.82.77.17) joined ##slackware. [06:57] Ephedrax (i=1000@AReims-152-1-18-226.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:57] instead ops doing so.. [06:57] yeah, it's starting to be something I'm longing for [06:57] alienBOB: ping ! feature request for slackboy [06:57] here, we could probably do that for 10 to 15 votes of people here for a pretty long time, would be pretty safe [06:58] k [06:58] Camarade_Tux: votes should be like 'regulars have better vote weight' than others . [06:59] like regulars vote = 5 .. normal guys = 2 [06:59] oop wrong window [06:59] init[1]: I could vote at least thrice pretty easily though so I'd rather exclude from vote people who've been here for < 30 minutes at leasrt [07:00] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:00] alisonken1noc: i thought that 'k' was for my suggestion :( [07:00] Action: init[1] :D [07:00] Camarade_Tux: hm.. [07:00] that too - but I was trying to respond to another jabber client in another window :) [07:00] alisonken1noc: :) [07:01] anybody know where the indexed database used by slocate is? [07:01] Camarade_Tux: what about a troll guy can only be voted once. ? [07:01] "Knoppix STD" is a rather unfortunate name. [07:02] lechiffre, man slocate [07:02] ccfreak2k, yeah lol [07:02] ccfreak2k: goes along with lub-untu ;-) [07:02] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:03] gtludwig (n=gtl@150.162.165.43) joined ##slackware. [07:05] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:06] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:06] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:07] leave out the "n" and it's lub-u-tu [07:08] Delahunt Couldn't find about the present location of database in man. :) [07:09] Ephedrax_ (i=1000@AReims-152-1-57-107.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:09] Delahunt I was just wondering how it could've indexed everything without my notice and how large the db could be. [07:09] um, first, it runs as a cron job at 0440 every morning iirc [07:09] so you may have been asleep [07:09] oh ok thanks. [07:11] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [07:12] second, /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db [07:12] on my system, 5.1MB [07:12] found it using slocate slocate | less [07:12] 5.5M on my system [07:13] gotta think, if it has a database on where all files are located, that database would surely also show where itself is located in that list, hence you just use slocate to find it 8-) [07:13] alisonken1noc, omg you > me [07:13] thanks. 8.7Mb here [07:13] MB [07:13] omg lechiffre > * ! [07:13] hehe [07:14] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [07:14] to be fair, I just did a fresh install of 64-current on this system as well [07:14] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: Client Quit [07:14] It actually surprises me. I was expecting around 500MB! [07:14] why would you expect that size? [07:14] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [07:14] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: Client Quit [07:15] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [07:15] My hard disk size is 250 GB and its almost full :p [07:15] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Nick change: zecareuniao -> zecafig [07:15] lechiffre, it only has to record where the files are, not what they contain [07:16] a database of only one item per file (name of file) don't sound that bad [07:17] Dont suppose anyone wants to buy 3 nearly new bsackberry 9700s and one 9520? [07:17] yeah still that surprises me. Because I leave files scattered around without much organizing. [07:17] Zordrak: 3? :P [07:17] yup [07:17] Zordrak, can you put slackware on them? [07:17] lol.. i wish [07:17] lechiffre, organize! 8-P [07:18] Zordrak, how much are you asking? [07:19] LOL. That's why i was looking for a search engine in the first place lol ;) [07:19] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:20] I need at least 570 GBP for the lot [07:20] lechiffre, i organize mine sort of like the Mac OS X for users does: Pictures/ Music/ Desktop/ Videos/ Movies/ (iirc) [07:20] Zordrak, what OS are the 9700s? [07:20] they were bought about a month ago for GBP 1200 [07:21] Delahunt: i dont know.. whatever blackberry uses [07:21] Good for you Delahunt :) [07:21] Zordrak, so you don't see any windows icons or logos anywhere? [07:21] still trying to see if vodaphone will buy them back [07:21] Delahunt: no idea. i dont use them. they are whatever vodaphone sends out when you order a 9700 [07:22] i don't see any "windows" anything on blackberry's webstie.... [07:22] why would you? blackberry is blackberry isnt it? dont they have thoir own OSes [07:23] Agiofws (n=nnnAgiof@athedsl-426634.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:24] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [07:24] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:25] Action: Delahunt has no clue which is why he asked [07:25] never looked seriously at any blackberries [07:25] blackberry uses either windows mobile or that other non-linux mobile stack [07:25] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] man that's a bit too expensive for my blood [07:26] sure wish i could afford one [07:27] wouldn't use 3/4 of the functions so don't need it [07:28] Action: Delahunt is looking for a good steal on a netbook recently [07:28] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:28] heh.. i have a MacBook Pro to get rid of too :) [07:28] what specifications, features, and how much? [07:29] bleh i dunno.. around 2.2GHz core2 i think with ati x1300 ish gfx [07:29] ew nevermind (ATI ftl) [07:29] can barely be arsed to sell it tbh.. too much like hard work [07:30] lechiffre, even find / > /tmp/fart.txt results in a 19MB file (1.6MB with lzma compression) [07:30] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434498.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:31] Action: Delahunt wonders then, why slocate doesn't just use xzcat) [07:31] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [07:31] xz is slow [07:31] or lzegrep [07:32] hmm well come to think of it, if the computer is fast enough to search an lzma compressed file, it probably has the hard drive space to store the database (so storage space is probably not going to be the issue) [07:33] Zordrak, are you ok or just randomly selling stuff? [07:33] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-225-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] you didn't lose your job or something did you? [07:33] is there a linux distro that can be installed from floppy disks only ? [07:34] only if you go back about 6 years - the kernel alone is too big for a floppy now [07:35] alisonken1noc, I know, but is there a solution ! [07:35] several - what are you trying to install on? [07:36] a basic server for example a firewall [07:36] no what - what hardware? [07:37] PIII 128 RAM [07:37] can it boot from usb or cdrom/dvd? [07:39] no nothing on it, just the floppy drive [07:39] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [07:39] tomsrtb I _think_ used to be able to boot from floppy, but not sure anymore [07:40] if you can get an ide drive for it, you can use another machine and install to the ide drive, then move the drive into it [07:40] just make sure the fstab is correct on the new install before you move the drive over [07:40] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [07:40] good ideas, thanks a lot [07:41] and lilo as well [07:41] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:42] Axius (n=fd@92.82.77.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:42] bah [07:42] broke a bowl ='( [07:42] alisonken1noc, ok [07:42] Rossonero: there are several floppy only mini-distros like BasicLinux [07:43] BadAtom, ok thanks [07:43] http://www.volny.cz/basiclinux/ [07:43] arrr [07:43] but it's based on Slackware 3.6 which is from about 1996 [07:44] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [07:44] don't care the important is that it works :) [07:44] Damn Small Linux :) [07:45] 14 years worth of vulnerabilities tho [07:46] Hmm. [07:46] Something is linking tblgen to libbfd-2.18.50.0.9.20080822.so. [07:46] I wonder where the reference is being made. [07:46] tblgen is a binary? [07:46] you don't have the list of the cc calls? [07:47] tblgen is a binary yes. [07:47] GooseYArd, we we think slackware we don't relly care about security issues ! [07:47] And the library in question matches the previous version of binutils...but it doesn't exist anymore because I updated it,. [07:47] have you rerun ldconfig [07:47] Yes. [07:48] if you say ldd tblgen is it showing that version still? [07:48] It's linked against the old version. [07:48] And I confirmed that it was rebuilt, so it isn't transient. [07:49] what does ldd tblgen show [07:49] for libbfd [07:50] http://pastebin.ca/1750909 [07:50] ahh i see [07:51] ah that sucks- so it was linked explicitly with an .so with the full version string [07:51] /usr/lib/libbfd.so is properly symlinked to the new lib. [07:51] So no problem there. [07:52] GooseYArd, that's what I thought, but grepping the source tree only shows configure errors. [07:52] Nothing non-binary seems to make reference to it explicitly. [07:52] So I'm guessing something in the system (gcc? ld itself?) is still trying to point to the old one. [07:53] i think you're right [07:53] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [07:54] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:54] /tmp/SBo/llvm-2.6/config.log:./conftest: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.18.50.0.9.20080822.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:54] The answer just might be staring me in the face. [07:55] Razec (i=1000@187-27-246-109.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [07:56] Oh, I think confest is just a test program generated by configure. [07:56] yah [07:57] so if a freshly linked configure test program is getting a bad libbfd, you know for sure its either gcc or ld [07:57] and I think that most of those use gcc to link, it'll show you in config.log [07:58] i cant remember if libbfd comes from binutils or something else [07:58] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [07:58] i486-slackware-linux-g++ -o conftest -pedantic conftest.cpp -lopagent -lpthread -lffi -ldl -lm -L/usr/lib/oprofile -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib/oprofile >&5 [07:58] libbfd comes standard with binutils [07:58] It's from binutils. [07:58] if its part of binutils id suspect ld [07:58] ok [07:59] Because I explicitly updated my copy of binutils to get it. [07:59] ok [07:59] which gcc version btw [07:59] hmm - that lib is in 64-13.0 (as upgraded to 64-current as of monday) [07:59] 4.4.2 [07:59] g++ too? [08:00] alisonken1noc, I got it so I could use the gold plugin. [08:00] just thinking out loud [08:00] 4.4.2 [08:00] did you do a full upgrade to 13* [08:00] ? [08:00] man ive been meaning to try gold also [08:00] i dont know how people can stand to build large c++ programs with g++ [08:00] alisonken1noc, it was an install from -current post-13.0. [08:01] when did you get -current? and is it 32-bit or 64-bit? [08:01] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:02] I don't remember the install date. [08:02] huh so how does g++ get instructed to use the new linker [08:02] i should do some reading now [08:02] I just have a local -current repo that I installed from. [08:02] not the install date - the date of the -current image [08:02] ok - when was the last update to your repo? [08:02] A few hours ago. [08:02] hmmm - should be good, the last change was the kernel on saturday night [08:02] It should be noted that the binutils I have is newer than what -current has. [08:03] self-built? [08:04] Yep. [08:04] ok [08:04] Took the slackbuild script from the source directory and used that against the newest tarball. [08:04] Axius (n=fd@92.82.77.17) joined ##slackware. [08:04] hey wait a minute, you're a 32 bit machine right [08:04] Yep. [08:04] oh ok [08:05] Hmm. [08:05] I wonder if oprofile has anything to do with this. [08:05] can you write a hello world.cpp and link it against that libbfd [08:05] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:06] libbfd-2.20.51.0.4.20091214.so => /usr/lib/libbfd-2.20.51.0.4.20091214.so (0xb7610000) [08:06] Command was: gcc -lbfd -o helloworld helloworld.c [08:06] g++ works too? [08:07] I'd have to throw together a cpp file first. [08:07] you can compile that same .c with it [08:07] we just want to get it to link for us [08:07] theblackerbox (n=sammo@78.151.188.155) joined ##slackware. [08:07] did you do upgradepkg to your new libbfd or just install? [08:07] holy cow when did chik-fil-a start making sausage biscuits [08:08] sausage or chicken biscuits [08:08] ? [08:08] alisonken1noc, I used upgradepkg and make sure it said "updating [old] with [new]:, [08:08] _ArielX_ (n=chatzill@201.250.39.46) joined ##slackware. [08:08] how about adding a soft link from the old lib name to the new lib? [08:08] alison: sausage, they gave me a free one when i ordered a chicken biscuit [08:08] libbfd-2.20.51.0.4.20091214.so => /usr/lib/libbfd-2.20.51.0.4.20091214.so (0xb7747000) [08:08] cool [08:08] and its better than the chicken biscuit [08:08] g++ also links correctly. [08:08] ok good [08:09] I like sausage [08:09] bhychik (n=bhychik@83.167.107.103) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:09] theirs has excellent sausage, and its like a 3/4" thick [08:09] ccfreak2k: as a quick hack, try "cd /usr/lib [08:09] Hmm. [08:09] I have an idea. [08:10] ; ln -s libbfdlibbfd-2.18.50.0.9.20080822.so libbfd-2.20.51.0.4.20091214.so [08:10] id try it with the same CFLAGS that the llvm autoconf is using to build that conftest [08:10] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:10] Nick change: theblackerbox -> theblackbox [08:10] ; ln -s libbfd-2.18.50.0.9.20080822.so libbfd-2.20.51.0.4.20091214.so [08:10] rather [08:10] i think you're on to something with oprofile though, since that changes a lot of stuff about the link [08:11] I'm wondering if it's linking to oprofile (I didn't look to see), which itself would be linked to the OLD library. [08:11] I'll just rebuild oprofile and see. [08:12] _ArielX_ (n=chatzill@201.250.39.46) left irc: Client Quit [08:13] ccfreak2k: did you try a softlink for the lib yet? [08:13] Well shit, oprofile doesn't finish building. [08:15] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487995 pfft [08:15] brb [08:17] Ephedrax (i=1000@AReims-152-1-18-226.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:18] Axius_ (n=fd@92.82.77.17) joined ##slackware. [08:20] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:21] Ping (n=bob@hopper.bobsbasement.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:22] hello anyone on [08:22] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) left irc: "later" [08:22] howdy [08:23] 64 bytes from anyone (255.255.255.254): icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=66.3 ms :-) [08:26] I'm looking for a good infosec channel/server any ideas? [08:26] I'm doing more infosec stuff at work and am rusty on real world attacks [08:27] hmm [08:27] never looked for anything like that on irc [08:27] Ping, > #remote-exploit [08:28] have you also tried ##security? [08:28] how did freenode wind up with ## channels anyhow [08:28] GoosYArd: I was wondering that [08:29] slava_dp I'm on RE [08:29] policy is # (single hash) is for support channels, ## (double hash) is for unofficial channels [08:29] GooseYArd, separates official support chans from unofficial [08:29] oh huh [08:29] GooseYArd: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming [08:30] Ping, you use *nix/Slackware? [08:30] funny irc hasnt changed very much, a second # was enough to shock me [08:30] Dominian: yo [08:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] alisonken1noc: sup man? [08:31] meet you in noobfarm [08:31] :D [08:31] :) [08:31] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-224-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:31] hi there [08:32] theblackbox: Linux, Windows, BSD [08:32] hi metrofox [08:32] hello Ping :) [08:33] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@server1.bshellz.net expired. [08:33] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@server1.bshellz.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:33] Nick change: zecafig -> zecalmoco [08:34] garme (n=garme@201009144186.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [08:34] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) left ##slackware. [08:36] init[1]: I see no reason at all to allow non-ops to vote for someone else's channel ban [08:39] alienBOB: ah its fine :) just gave a feature request , just in case a troll comes up and no ops around ,we could :) kinda democracy ;-) [08:40] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [08:40] init[1], haven't you heard, slackware is no democracy, it's an authoritarian monarchy? :-) [08:40] at least some power could be given to the regulars of this channel ,imho :) [08:41] slava_dp: its not a monarchy, its a benevolent dictatorship [08:41] for life [08:41] s/regulars/responsible regulars/ [08:42] it's a democratic dictatorship. All vote, one decides :P [08:42] like the OS :) [08:42] or distro [08:42] as my dad used to say "Everybody can vote - mine's the one that counts" [08:44] not just slack, wikipedia also comes under benevolent dictatorship :p [08:46] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [08:48] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:50] Delahunt maybe if slocate had metadate that would be huge I guess. [08:50] are you guys going to ban me [08:50] *metadata* [08:50] GooseYArd, for sure. [08:51] Action: slava_dp bans GooseYArd [08:51] ok cool, i want to get my moneys worth then [08:51] hang on let me find my 0jnk script [08:51] ehehe [08:53] Got a little sidetracked, but I made a patch for oprofile. [08:53] Let's see if it works. [08:53] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:53] toytoy (n=dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [08:54] a real cc freak here :) [08:55] Isn't cc is the counterpart of gcc in Unix? [08:56] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.207.201) joined ##slackware. [08:56] cc is a c compiler, gcc is a gnu cc. [08:56] Bleh, still dies./ [08:57] they called it gcc so you'd know you weren't running the Sun C compiler :) [08:57] right [08:57] among others [08:57] and also to promote gnu [08:57] Master-Passeli (n=joni@e83-245-144-135.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:57] everything needs a g [08:57] Hi everyone [08:58] right G is everywhere :) [08:58] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] woo! i know who the g-man is! finally! \o/ [08:59] Action: lechiffre sees GooseYard in purple suit with a big G on it ;) [09:00] Does anyone know that what is the case with newest slackware-current 64 kernels, are they compiled with gcc 4.2.2 and if yes does it matter that i keep using 4.3.3 with new kernels? [09:00] Ping (n=bob@hopper.bobsbasement.co.uk) left ##slackware. [09:01] Master-Passeli, if you use the prebuilt kernels, it's advisable to upgrade the system to -current. [09:01] you have the option to reuse Pat's config and build your own kernel. [09:02] slava_dp: of course but the problem is that i'm using multilib versions of gcc and i don't want to loose multilib posibility by upgrading them to normal versions coming from current [09:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Apparently gcc now abbreviates as GNU Compiler Collection rather than the GNU C Compiler it originally stood for. [09:02] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.229) left irc: [09:03] either i don't want to compile my own kernel. just wast of time [09:03] lechiffre, yeah, fortran77 is a very useful compiler :) [09:03] *expands* [09:03] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "Leaving" [09:03] Master-Passeli, it's not a waste of time. [09:03] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.13) joined ##slackware. [09:04] you betcha, slava_dp ;) [09:04] slava_dp: can you explane why not? [09:06] i'm not hunting faster boot time or any special settings to my kernel so i don't see any reason to compile my own. [09:06] Master-Passeli, read this and the followups.... http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/08/30/the-evil-of-initrd/ [09:06] if compiling is only sure way i just keep using the old one [09:06] it's just a consideration [09:08] Master-Passeli: *hint* http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/13.1/ [09:09] pprkut: now THAT seems to be an answer. thanks! :) [09:09] 13.1 now even :) [09:10] foundation (n=ea@dynamic-78-30-130-29.adsl.eunet.rs) joined ##slackware. [09:10] i'm still staying on 32-bit to be able to compile software for 32. [09:12] hi , not sure if this is the right place to ask, but anyway , is there a way to compile a single kernel module ,without having to recompile the whole kernel? [09:13] if the module has it's own build tools (i.e. it's outside of the kernel), then you build it and insert it into the kernel. [09:13] foundation: and yes. it is possible [09:13] if it's in the kernel tree, then you got to rebuild the kernel [09:14] well, "make modules_install" should do it [09:14] unless you make changes to other kernel parameters, then you rebuild the kernel also [09:14] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:14] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:15] like, make modules (will build only the changed or added ones) [09:15] ok , tnx [09:16] i need device mapper module , forgot to enable it , and this is a very slow machine , so i wantde to see if i can only make the ones i need [09:16] alisonken1noc: are you using bitlebee ? if so just wanted to make sure if it support ssl/tls [09:17] nope [09:17] bitlebee? [09:17] ah ok - nope, just your plain ordinary 64-current x-chat [09:18] waiting for the slackbuild of kvirc to make it [09:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] ok :) [09:19] hacfed (n=fed@host86-173-108-105.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] foundation, make is usually very smart and rebuilds only the things that need rebuilding. but if you change the kernel arch, the whole kernel will get rebuilt ;) [09:20] btw. Do you know that why slackware main distribution does not deliver multilib compiles but just either 32 bit or 64 bit? [09:20] hcfd (n=fed@host86-173-108-105.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Master-Passeli, because you can get multilib from alien :) [09:21] of course. 32 bit system does not need 64 bit one but 64 bit still needs 32 bit combatibility [09:22] there is still a lot of programs which are just 32 bit [09:22] because it's additional pita for Pat to support. [09:22] that's mho. [09:24] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:df) joined ##slackware. [09:24] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:25] init it does (re bitlbee) [09:25] also otr [09:28] Nick change: zecalmoco -> zecafig [09:28] irssi + bitlbee is the best thing since sliced bread [09:28] All fixed up. [09:28] cc what was it? [09:28] oprofile needs a very small patch in order to rebuild. [09:28] ah [09:28] oprofile 0.9.4 is about a year and a half old anyway. :) [09:29] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-65.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Let's see if that helped or if I'm going deeper into the rabbit hole. [09:30] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] GooseYArd: What's bitlbee? [09:34] its an irc to IM proxy [09:34] you run it locally, attach your irc client to it, tell it your IM accounts, and voila [09:34] so now when I get an IM from jabber or aim, it appears as a privmsg [09:35] ok ,thanks [09:35] so I can run irssi inside gnu screen and get all my msgs [09:35] so you appear online on im all the time. [09:36] Ephedrax (i=1000@AReims-152-1-63-141.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:36] if you like, or you can set your status by msging bitlbee [09:37] yozzer (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] zux (n=zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:41] All fixed. [09:41] i prefer pidgin and xchat actually. i'm always in X (albeit it is covered by terminals), so i can afford using gui programs. [09:41] oprofile needed to be rebuilt, which required a small patch for some reason. [09:41] Now tblgen links successfully. [09:42] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:42] well, 2 monitors helps with multiple consoles :) [09:44] How can I change ctrl -a keybinding with other key combination in screenrc? [09:45] Axius_: wow, you really want to do that? [09:48] mwnn (n=user@59.92.166.240) joined ##slackware. [09:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:48] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.207.201) left irc: "Leaving" [09:49] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:49] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [09:50] j0k3r_ (n=rddalcen@unaffiliated/j0k3r) joined ##slackware. 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[11:04] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E345F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:04] Nick change: axius__ -> sacky [11:05] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:05] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] slackmagic (i=1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:07] adlaius (n=bsb@cdm-75-109-99-69.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] I installed sun's virtualbox via sbopkg. It reported the install was successful. But I couldn't see it in system /usr/bin [11:09] its in /opt right? [11:11] rhys (n=quassel@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) joined ##slackware. [11:11] bash-3.1$ whereis virtualbox [11:11] virtualbox: /usr/lib/virtualbox /usr/include/virtualbox /usr/share/virtualbox [11:12] do you have the .txz file around still? [11:13] GooseYArd yeah .tgz though [11:13] I installed all four packages for virtualbox via sbopkg. [11:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:13] tar tvf whatever.tgz | grep bin [11:14] that'll probably find it [11:14] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] great. thanks. [11:15] whereis VirtualBox [11:16] why tar? all packages are recorded in /var/log/packages/ [11:16] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-49-81.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [11:19] adlaius (n=bsb@cdm-75-109-99-69.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:20] Found it in /usr/bin. But It runs only as root. How do I run it as user? [11:21] virtual box needs to access root services I believe, in order to setup for the guests [11:22] don't quote me, though, I've only been seeing it, not playing with it [11:22] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:22] ok thanks alisonken1home. [11:24] chatran (n=chatran@200.146.119.6.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:24] hi [11:25] guys, i did wrong thing i erase the letter R from root passwd and saved the file, now i cant log in with user "oot" what can i do? [11:25] oot:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash [11:25] :( my passwd [11:26] use a live cd or enter in single mode [11:26] google for it [11:26] im on google [11:26] trying [11:26] i will live cd later if i cant resolv [11:28] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@190.192.219.199) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [11:30] chatran: in general you shouldn't be monkeying around with /etc/passwd with a text editor. [11:30] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [11:30] hey all, need a hand with apache2 [11:30] its a good way to learn to be careful with the passwd file though :) [11:30] GooseYArd: hahaha yeah indeed [11:30] I can't remember when the last time I needed to edit /etc/passwd manually was. [11:30] im not sure if was me [11:31] Axius (n=fd@92.82.77.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] and I've bene using slackware since 1994. [11:31] one wonderful thing about linux, people in our generation are able to get the screwups out of their system, at home, on machines that dont matter [11:31] man, i work with slackware since 2002 never did this [11:32] Axius_ (n=fd@92.82.77.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:32] :| [11:32] dont want reboot this crap server [11:34] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: [11:37] mishehu, [11:37] what is the order to initiate services of /etc/rc.d ? [11:38] i need put scripts after network start [11:39] start with /etc/rc.d/rc.S and follow from there [11:40] rc.M should be the one that calls rc.inet1 (which is the one that starts networking), but unless you need to put it in a specific order, /etc/rc.d/rc.local is the script to put it in [11:41] jjholt (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] chatran: generally speaking, I put my own processes/services to launch via either /etc/rc.d/rc.local (which is the *last* of the /etc/rc.d scripts to run), or if possible I have the services launched by djb's daemontools. [11:44] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:44] chatran: it really depends on whether or not these scripts that you need to run are really critical to run immediately after network start or if you just want them to run at any point in time after network start. [11:44] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:52] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E345F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] macavity (n=macavity@212088073003.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:56] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:00] evening folks :-) [12:01] Action: theblackbox does a merry jig [12:01] is that the latest trend? :P [12:01] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [12:01] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.82.234) left irc: "Leaving" [12:02] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.82.234) joined ##slackware. [12:02] josemanuel (n=josemanu@126.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:02] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:05] mwnn (n=user@59.92.166.240) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:06] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] josemanuel (n=josemanu@126.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Client Quit [12:09] I don't follow trends, macavity - I set the trends [12:09] everyone'll be doing it in a week, twitter is dead, long live the merry jig! [12:10] h4ngedm4n (n=h4ngedm4@pool-71-104-6-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:10] \o/ [12:10] can you make UNIX like opereating sytems the trend with game developers? [12:10] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.214.149) joined ##slackware. [12:11] hey macavity [12:12] me and my random afk moments >.> [12:13] unfortunately my relationship with that demographic has been somewhat tarnished after I set in motion a conclusive trend that dealt with Duke Nukem .... [12:14] and forever may you be cursed... [12:15] Necos, "Come Get Some!" [12:15] ;) [12:15] lol [12:15] i don't want any :P [12:16] rhys_ (n=quassel@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) joined ##slackware. [12:17] rhys_ (n=quassel@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:24] and here i forgot that openoffice is SBo as opposed to core [12:25] So writing a IRC Client is harder than I thought [12:26] sadsfae (n=sadsfae@funcamp.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:26] are you using assembly [12:26] if so, that would explain it [12:26] sadsfae (n=sadsfae@funcamp.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] No lol using mono/dotNet [12:27] how do you like it [12:27] actually even irc-bot is quite a big thing even by using python [12:27] especially if you choose python 3.x like i did :D [12:28] i could not find any irc-library for that new 3 series [12:28] I started with a example irc-bot written in c# and expanded from there [12:28] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [12:28] has twisted been ported to py3k yet [12:28] rhys (n=quassel@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:29] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-210-71.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] so far I've gotten it to connect and join a channel and I can send channel msgs and private msgs [12:30] the output is raw so everything is dumped into a single readonly textbox [12:30] brb [12:30] GooseYArd (n=GooseYAr@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:32] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:33] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [12:33] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:35] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] chatran (n=chatran@200.146.119.6.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] Axius (n=fd@92.84.0.81) joined ##slackware. [12:38] MikeSee (n=mike@S01060013104bf1c5.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] MikeSee (n=mike@S01060013104bf1c5.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:41] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-131-183-170.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] GooseYArd (n=GooseYAr@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] ah there we go [12:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wmtrfrkghreigzza) left irc: [12:45] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [12:46] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:47] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:50] hello [12:50] where i can find a guide to make a full install usb disk of slackware? [12:51] Axius (n=fd@92.84.0.81) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:52] Master-Passeli (n=joni@e83-245-144-135.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "have to go again" [12:53] Axius (n=fd@92.84.0.81) joined ##slackware. [12:54] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:57] http://www.google.com/search?q=slackware+usb+install&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [12:58] i already read that [12:59] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:59] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.21.167) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:59] mako (n=mako@81.22.25.242) joined ##slackware. [13:01] and? [13:01] Hello everyone [13:01] :) [13:02] thrice`, i need a full install from usb disk [13:03] you want to put the full install dvd onto a usb so you can install from usb? [13:03] alisonken1home, yes [13:03] and the usb-and-pxe-boot directory on the dvd didn't help? [13:03] no [13:04] because it creates only one partition [13:04] on usb disk [13:04] yozzer (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] sigh [13:04] the rest of the usb disk are not used [13:04] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:04] and what's the problem with that since it's an _install_ usb and not a _live_ usb? [13:05] why can't you make the partition yourself and copy stuff over? [13:05] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:05] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [13:05] but how i make the usb bootable? [13:06] follow the instructions in the usb-and-pxe-boot directory and modify the setup for what you want [13:06] see ya [13:06] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-224-251.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [13:06] alisonken1home, i will try to use the dd of usb.img to a partition [13:07] won't work that way [13:07] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:07] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: "Leaving." [13:08] i need the syslinux on a FAT16 partition [13:08] the rest i will put in a ext3 partition [13:08] why is that? [13:08] syslinux has an ext2linux option as well [13:08] go to the syslinux website and look for ext2linux [13:09] i read that in http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [13:09] The reason for needing two partitions is that our bootloader syslinux requires the filesystem on which it is installed to be FAT16. This limits the filesystem to 2 GB and I wanted to be able to use the new 4 GB USB pen drives that are on the market. So, I kept the FAT partition to a minimum and crammed all the packages and other stuff into a ext2 partition. [13:09] unixfool (n=OU812@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [13:09] yes - and you can modify the script to use something else like ext2linux [13:09] for those who think RMS is a fanatic nutcase i suggest reading this: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2726&blogid=14 [13:10] http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/EXTLINUX <-- syslinux for ext filesystems [13:10] follow the usb script for creating the directory, but use extlinux instead of syslinux [13:10] jjholt (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:10] zux (n=zux@212.93.97.140) joined ##slackware. [13:11] ok [13:12] Axius (n=fd@92.84.0.81) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-38-250.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:15] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:40] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:41] *looks at his multipass and purrs* [13:41] grub2 + slackware.iso works as a charm here [13:42] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] eh? multipass? [13:43] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30AE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Action: tiny has a "fift element" relaps [13:44] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Mkman (n=tiago@bl11-39-231.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:45] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] Hi [13:47] Necos, in my case it would be a 16gig usp pendrive with slack 13, 12.2 and ubuntu installers, slax, memtest and spinrite on it :P [13:47] luls, usb. pardon [13:49] omg. slack, ubuntu AND slax in the same sentence!!! [13:49] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:49] :D [13:50] 12.2 and 13.0 be installers, forgot to mention [13:50] or, no i didnt. selfpwnd by incredibly poor sentence structure [13:51] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:51] geez [13:52] yes [13:52] hahahah I just caught multipass [13:52] 5th element reference? [13:53] "mooool tee pass" .. "Yes, she knows it's a multipass." [13:53] might be, i've just gotten used to the term after watching the hak5 episode which nudged me in the direction of grub2 and the loopback function :p [13:54] Ah, well, anything that involves Bruce Willis & scifi is OK in my books. [13:54] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] actually, pretty much anything with Bruce Willis. Die Hard for life [13:54] :D [13:54] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [13:54] i will be your hero baby [13:55] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:56] jeev: just rockin' out to your enrique discography? [13:56] yep [13:56] http://pastebin.com/m12b64a39 + grub2 on an ext2 formatted usb drive = multipass :D [13:57] Jiraia (n=jiraia@189.27.71.134.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.14.86) joined ##slackware. [13:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: "Leaving" [13:59] kslen: That's hot. [13:59] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Connection timed out [14:00] eviljames, not to forget practical :> [14:01] one stop shop auditing and repair hanging on my keychain [14:01] but no rescuecd? [14:01] that seems odd [14:01] is lower resoution really bad on the eyes or what [14:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:01] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [14:01] I prefer my porn to be low-rez [14:01] so much so, that I demand my gf be blockier. [14:02] she doesn't understand :( [14:02] i've never really tried rescuecd thingee tbh [14:02] always got the job done using slax pretty much [14:02] kslen: It's pretty handy to have, lots of utils that I dno't think are on slax [14:02] sys recscue cd ? [14:02] esp. if you have windows boxen that fall into disrepair [14:02] eviljames, thanks for the tip, i'll has a look at it :> [14:02] i once had something odd [14:02] i'd have to agree with eviljames; rescuecd is pretty impressive [14:03] needed to recover a drive [14:03] backtrack 3 hanged on the drive [14:03] sorry, i mean high resolution [14:03] until i figured out the nohd and nohotplug kernel cmd lines [14:03] usually machines i fix are so cluttered up with malware that a reinstall after rescuing whatever files the client want to preserve is the fastest route in most cases :D [14:03] jeev: I think it's bright monitors in dark rooms that is hardest on the eyes... [14:03] i compiled ddrescue ... it would fail miserably 90 % were errors and the drive was making the annoying sound i expected [14:03] i did it then with sysrescuecd [14:03] it went flawless [14:04] coo [14:04] save a new install as an image; you're set [14:04] i have no idea why it did, it was the same utility only on a different live cd but those sysrescuecd guys do have some magic patches or something [14:04] zux (n=zux@212.93.97.140) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:04] and yes when i redeployed the image it worked flawlessly as well [14:04] :D [14:04] goarilla: i didn't realize they had magic patches? [14:05] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] partimage (the app that actually produces the image) only "images" the used portion of the partition [14:05] different than dd [14:05] i don't know why it worked withoutt he drive makeing the awfull sound that prompted the client to come to me [14:05] although "magical" is always a nice term to use [14:05] billy bob james [14:05] that and the fact it couldn't write bootsector and any files in a directory anymroe [14:05] amine_ (n=Makaveli@wana-49-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] my gf thinks light switches are magical [14:05] good enough [14:05] lol [14:05] hoobop: my gf is a slackware user. [14:06] i envy your life, eviljames [14:06] hahah [14:06] i heard about partimage [14:06] eviljames, now thats hot. :p [14:06] but it's not as mature as ddrescue or dd [14:06] kslen: Answering questions like: "Will windows have digiKam?" "no." "Then put Linux on my computer" does kinda give me half a boner :P [14:06] hoobop, she's also 400 lbs, do you envy that [14:06] hahahahaha [14:07] jeev: That's not my gf, that's my little gal on the side. [14:07] lol; then do a partial install next time [14:07] jeev: You refer to the little gal on the side as "mom" [14:07] haha, my ass [14:07] ouch [14:07] eviljames, lool :D [14:08] you mean [14:08] that's the little girl that usually in my WAY [14:08] that's* [14:09] that's the little girl and why i'm buying a bigger house with an elevator [14:09] eviljames: you can run KDE on windows [14:11] one thing that does come to mind, however, is a glitch in partimage; disastrous with images over 2GB in size [14:11] better to create a split-image backup [14:11] an image of 2GB is nothing [14:12] for whatever reason, partimage can't read its own compression [14:12] goarilla: Yeah, you can... but who would want to? :P [14:12] i'm guessing partimage at least uses gzip [14:12] you create a 2GB or larger gzip, it's dinked [14:12] yeah it does suck monkeyballs eviljames [14:12] and i'm not sure digiKam is already usefull enough [14:12] if you thought KDE was bloated on Linux [14:13] digiKam is a killer app, like amaroK. [14:13] you should try it on redmonds stuff [14:13] I don't think KDE is bloated, I think it's fantastic. [14:13] naah i don't think so [14:13] i liked amarok once [14:13] To quote Garth: "We fear change." [14:13] but ... i don't need it since it's not that usefull on a old music directory [14:14] eg incomplete not properly named or idv3 [14:14] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [14:15] amarok does a pretty good job of sorting those songs out.. I usually point it at a folder of mp3s, hit "move to collection" and let it do the organization stuff for me. [14:15] digiKam, very much the same.. point it at the camera, move to collection. no fuss, no muss. [14:16] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:16] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:16] i have 2 many stuff that gets put in nonsense folders eviljames [14:16] sirslacker (i=1000@s0933.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. 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[14:32] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Connection timed out [14:32] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: [14:34] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:35] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:36] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [14:38] hey [14:38] just wondering, how secure linux is if it compared with openbsd ? [14:39] depends on how you administer it [14:41] couldn't have said it better myself [14:41] I could've. [14:41] Security of any system depends on its administrator and users. [14:41] See? [14:41] lol [14:41] if you hmmm [14:41] hm [14:41] except windows [14:41] eviljames ruins everything [14:41] jeev: true. [14:41] lol jeev [14:41] Necos: also true. [14:41] anyone using both ? [14:41] wants the perspective of both world. [14:42] a lot of slackware users run more than one OS (i don't tho) [14:42] true. [14:43] and also, 100% security means not being connected to the internet while housing the computer underground in a room with no windows or doors... [14:43] :P [14:44] i used to run openbsd for transparent bridged firewalls, pf is very nice... [14:44] jumperboy: how is it if you compared with slack ? [14:44] anavel: fwiw, i'm pretty sure openbsd has never had a remote root exploit [14:45] or something along those lines [14:45] 1 in 10 years [14:45] no, its 2 now iirc [14:45] anavel: i prefer slackware for most other purposes [14:45] 100% more [14:46] jumperboy: including servers ? [14:46] but thats in the "default install" which is a rather small part of eg. Slackware [14:46] anavel: openbsd has a solid default installation, but things get a little weird when you stray from the default or when upgrading the whole system [14:46] when was the 2nd one? lol [14:46] anavel: i use slackware for servers [14:47] jumperboy: lol, how weird ? [14:47] anavel: nothing against openbsd, but they'll rip functionality out of a piece of software if they think it's insecure, which can get frustrating sometimes [14:48] anavel: plus, they tend to run older versions of software too long for my taste [14:48] ah, i see. the code scrunity policy [14:49] I use slackware for desktop and laptops [14:49] anavel: precisely, which conforms to their goals [14:49] alisonken1home: same here :). [14:50] jumperboy: how's openbsd if it's use as a gateway machine ? is it better than linux ? [14:50] what is the gateway supposed to do? [14:50] anavel, why are you so fixed on which one is "better"? [14:51] unixfool (n=OU812@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:51] Immundus: routing traffic mostly. [14:51] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] you pick the one that fits your requirements [14:51] anavel: i loved it for transparent bridged firewalls, pf rocks... [14:51] anavel: but i think even slackware has decent bridge support out of the box these days [14:51] anavel just pass packets? what load filtering vpns what are the specs? [14:51] Necos: i am thinking to replace slackware on my gateway with openbsd. Want to know ppl experience before i do that. [14:52] if it's already working for what you want, why change it? [14:52] Immundus: some servers (like, dhcp and dns), and ipsec. [14:53] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-38-250.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] Necos: well, if it's (potentially) better, wanna try it. [14:53] then set it up in a virtual environment and test it [14:53] i use slackware for dns (bind) [14:54] anavel: if nothing else, it's worth it to learn pf, see how a packet filter should be designed. much more readable compared to iptables [14:55] jumperboy: yeah, i am reading pf man right now, looks neat. Just wondering is it worth it if i switch. [14:55] we got vmware, virtualbox, xen, etc... there's no excuse not to test something if you want to see what it's capable of [14:55] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] anavel: but if i had to build something today, i'd see if i could do it with slackware, just for continuity and ease of overall administration [14:56] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [14:56] jumperboy: why not bsd ? 'cos of that policy ? [14:57] does openbsd even install in a VM? i think it used to be difficult... [14:57] *openbsd [14:58] man who needs vms when hard drives cost 20 bucks [14:58] it should nowadays... [14:58] anavel: just for consistency, but i'd jump to openbsd if it was too much of a pain [14:58] GooseYArd, because you can't run them all at the same time :P [14:58] Passive Operating System Fingerprinting <--- anything like this on iptables ? [14:58] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-131-183-170.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:59] but then all my other computers would feel neglected [14:59] im spoiled because i have a lab tho [14:59] eheh [15:00] anavel: yeah that's pretty neat, but I didn't use it much. my guess is that it's available somewhere for iptables. [15:00] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: "..." [15:00] anavel: iptables has string matching, though, which openbsd refuses to add to pf (last i checked). i use string matching in iptables regularly. [15:01] jumperboy: how's your experience when trying to upgrade openbsd ? [15:02] nepomuk indexing dont make your computers slow? [15:02] anavel: also, iptables scripts are much more portable, with the ethX syntax, which is likel to be similar from machine to machine. on openbsd, each interface is named based on the driver, so names can vary a lot [15:03] i'm thinking on deactivate the service of nepomuk [15:04] anavel: to be honest, i just rolled out new machines when i needed to upgrade. initially, i used low spec machines that didn't have enouch drive space to upgrade via openbsd tools. :) [15:04] lol [15:04] sad machines :P [15:04] yeah, i recycled a lot. :) [15:05] but i must say, openbsd performed well, never a slowdown due to the firewall machine [15:05] even on old hardware [15:05] jumperboy: how's the filesystem performance ? [15:06] anavel: i didn't really tax it for my application [15:08] anavel: i installed the bare minimum installation and ran pf (which is part of the openbsd kernel) [15:09] i see. [15:09] anavel: UFS/HFS isn't XFS :D [15:09] anavel: i'd develop the firewall elsewhere, version control it, upload it, then install it [15:09] i can tell you that for sure [15:09] openbsd is really nice but it misses mature virtualisation and XFS support for me [15:10] Maybe this question should've been asked in #openbsd? [15:10] although virtualbox is probably very portable since it came from Sun (solaris) [15:10] but getting vmware to run on it [15:10] good luck [15:11] the thing is tho [15:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] kitche_ (i=kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: "Changing server" [15:11] it's BSD unix tools instead of GNU unix tools and i must say i have come quite acquinted/ajusted with the more advanced gnu options [15:11] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [15:11] eviljames: he's asking for comparisons... if we enforced topic strictly, most of the conversations here would be booted to #weed, #guitars, #bacon, etc. :) [15:11] it doesn't feel right sometimes [15:12] ps -C -o pid=,etime= doesn't work for example [15:12] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:12] jumperboy: ##slackware-offtopic us useful for most of those things :P [15:12] s/us/is/ [15:12] alright. thank you for all the input guys. Especially you, jumperboy :). [15:12] goarilla: agreed, i much prefer gnu tools [15:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:12] tuxdev_ (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:13] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:13] in some ways they are most advanced although i must say some of the stuff is just GNU assholeness [15:14] i mean gnu /bin/false is 13K [15:14] lol, i guess it's what you're used to/learned first [15:14] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:14] just to return false eg 1 ? [15:14] jumperboy, and #penis for eviljames [15:14] right [15:14] can't forget #penis. [15:15] Guest24717 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] goarilla: it's 37K on my mac [15:15] 32K on slackware64 [15:15] Guest24717 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] maybe GNU actually optimized it! [15:16] 99% of that is for parsing and display the version and license stuff [15:17] the mac uses the BSD version [15:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:20] jumper: ahahah [15:20] re #bacon [15:20] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:21] mmmm of ... /bin/true [15:22] 12 K [15:22] you now what returns true [15:22] a zero file marked as executable [15:25] hmm the usbboot.img might work now, but it makes the stick unusable [15:25] dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:25] you cant even open it with cfdisk [15:25] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] dear All! Trying to set up wireless network with WPA-PSK. I already got it, but only if i manually start supplicant: "# wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf". How can i pull up network without it? i want just to using iwconfig [15:29] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-219-34.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:29] there's no effect when i typing # iwconfig wlan0 essid "MY_ESSID" [15:30] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] all necessary info should be in that .conf ... [15:30] in the setups i use, a dhcpcd will do the trick [15:30] jg71: i don't use dhcp [15:31] well then ... you need to test. idk, i dont bother with static setups like that anymore [15:31] i start wpa_supplicant out of rc.inet1, but Im using it on a wired network [15:31] another thing [15:31] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:32] you can make /bin/true return false [15:32] /bin/true --help >/dev/full; echo $? [15:32] welcome to the GNU bullshit [15:33] GooseYArd: should i start wpa_supplicant in rc.local ? [15:33] dfrank: you could [15:33] dfrank well ideally you want to put it someplace where shutting the network down will shut down wpa_supp also [15:33] so like rc.wireless [15:34] can i tar to a ramfs? i have 400MB of disc space available. i want to zip it up to reduce size...any one know a program that doesn't duplicate data to the disc first? [15:34] i thought it was already wired up in the rc. scripts [15:34] thanks all, i will try smth.. [15:35] acid how big is the thing you're trying to compress [15:35] 4GB [15:35] of source/docs [15:36] night guys [15:36] so it can be squished down [15:36] unixfool (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] dfrank: just use rc.inet1.conf [15:36] acidchild: you can tar to another box, using netcat, I believe [15:36] i have enough ram [15:37] acidchild: i used to mirror disks that way, forget the whole command [15:37] alienBOB: ramdisk? for 3-4GB tar? good bad? [15:37] meh, whats the worst, it crashs. [15:37] lol [15:39] hah thats how id do it [15:39] if nobody else is using the machine, wtf cares [15:39] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:39] 16MB without a reboot though... might as well search for a SATA cable and install one of the many harddrives around [15:39] eheh [15:39] how much swap have you got [15:40] 2GB [15:40] 6GB ram. [15:40] was going to say, you could unmount swap and steal that for a few minutes [15:41] this drive is only 70GB but its like a rocketship [15:41] in the past I've used split to chunk the thing up into manageable sized pieces and zipped a few of them until I had enough space to work with [15:41] ouchh [15:41] acidchild: dd if=/dev/hda | gzip -c | ssh user@remotehost /bin/dd of=/tmp/mypc_hda.img.gz [15:41] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:41] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-225-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:41] that might work [15:41] that's how i'd remotely archive drives with a rescue disk before wiping them [15:42] think i know my gf's passwd lol, use her /home [15:42] 10 k rpm SAS ? [15:43] ya [15:43] cant you just [15:43] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:43] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:43] enlarge the tmpfs [15:43] disable swapping with sysctl [15:43] and then do it to tmpfs dir [15:43] you gotta set a grub append to make the ramdisk bigger. [15:44] or mount an extra tmpfs and dissable swapping [15:44] just got fios installed. 27 meg down and 2.5 meg up [15:44] see you ppl [15:44] :) [15:44] nice. [15:44] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:44] i got 25 down and 2 up [15:44] Immundus (n=obi@e179132042.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout" [15:44] I do too, over cable [15:44] it's sweet :D but i do have download limit which [15:44] kinda ruins it [15:44] Action: eviljames <- no d/l limit [15:45] Action: eviljames touts the 'superiority' of Canadian broadband [15:45] yeah, that's the package i got...just ran speedtest and got those results [15:45] :< i have 10/.5 now from 30/30 before. [15:45] sux [15:45] goarilla, where you at? [15:45] even though we're somewhere near dead last internationally [15:45] belgium :( [15:45] 50 km's up and i would have been a netherlander [15:45] acidchild: in TO? [15:45] eviljames: yep [15:45] acidchild, that's still better than dialup :) [15:45] acidchild: who offers 30/30 to the home in TO? [15:45] you can get 100/20 right downtown... for like 70$/month [15:45] i thought you were UK acidchild [15:46] acidchild: Telus? [15:46] in some condo buildings, i was living in a NOC before. [15:46] damn...that's good! [15:46] yeah telus. [15:46] so i had a long run down to my place, of 30/30 well what ever i set the tc rules to. [15:46] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] just used it respectfuly [15:46] sometimes. [15:46] ;p [15:47] unixfool: did they run fiber to your house? [15:48] I've heard tell that some neighborhoods in Edmonton are getting cat6 to the door [15:48] eviljames: allstream, he.net anything in torix... if you want to pay that is lol [15:49] :D cat6 to the door here no hook up :D [15:49] wow cat6 [15:49] in toronto ? [15:49] Edmonton [15:49] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: "leaving" [15:49] doesn't ethernet can only go 400 meters with repeaters [15:49] I imagine it is pretty heavily traffic controlled... but still, the potential is there [15:49] goarilla: yeah, inside new buildings, its cat6 and fiber between floors. [15:50] yeah k still need a decent gateway then [15:50] yeah [15:50] goarilla: Yeah, I'd expect fibre to a local repeater, cat6 to the neighborhood or some such thing... I don't really know, because I dno't work for telus, but a cousin of mine definitely has cat6 to his house [15:51] eviljames: http://www.mtotelecom.com/ [15:51] 'dark fiber prince' he's known as... can't believe i'm repeating that but ya [15:51] whatever he's known as, that's bloody brilliant [15:51] wtf? [15:52] nice noc... nice nice [15:52] they keep the lights down low for the nerds too [15:52] nice place to work [15:52] g'day thrice` [15:52] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E345F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:54] Looking at cat6 in wikipedia, there must be a repeater between him and wherever Telus' routing station is... for gigabit cat6 is only 100m [15:54] is that the scandinavian dungeon NOC ? [15:55] crap flash crap [15:55] ok i don't get it acidchild and eviljames [15:56] acidchild, yeah [15:56] i get a stupid ISP flash propaganda thingie [15:56] it's this ? http://www.mtotelecom.com/ [15:56] uh [15:57] just a place i've been to... they have some big pipes. [15:57] they are a carrier. [15:58] heej who off you is interested in making a child friendly censuring firewall [15:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:59] eg iptables/squid/dansguardian and maybe clamav [15:59] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [15:59] on something like a beagleboard, gumstix or soekris [15:59] sure. [15:59] i'd help [15:59] goarilla: you know I wrote an article about a parental filter like that? [15:59] beagleboard doesn't have 2 NICs tho [16:00] you did [16:00] pass me the linke alienBOB [16:00] the thing is [16:00] with a new serial killer caught now in here [16:00] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.82.234) left irc: "Leaving" [16:00] who whacked a guy which has the exact name and surname as me [16:00] which is pretty bizzar [16:01] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:proxy if you want to implement it on the network [16:01] they'll probably play the violent games/movies card ... [16:01] And http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:parentalcontrol if you want to implement it right on the kids' desktop [16:02] also i have a niece (6) and nephew (4) which are on the internet as we speak [16:02] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-84-63.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] and their parents turn to me for ... stuff :D [16:02] morr (i=morr@prozac.bsdzine.org) joined ##slackware. [16:03] alienBOB: you run this? [16:03] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] you know what is sad [16:03] people need a application to connect to their device instead of knowing the address and connect to it [16:04] i find that really sad [16:04] acidchild: yes on my son's desktop if he runs Slackware and if he boots into Windows, he has to go through the filtering proxy [16:04] hehehe [16:04] alienBOB: ok. how old .. if you dont mind me asking? [16:04] goarilla: you mean like the new thing under KDE? [16:04] slackware ... GO AHEAD [16:04] *newer thing [16:04] and windows [16:04] FUCK YOU :D [16:04] acidchild: he's 11 years old now [16:04] ricardo (n=jiraia@189.27.76.9.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:05] i once ran dans and it was really good [16:05] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [16:07] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-225-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] wow 11:D [16:07] i can't wait eheh [16:07] slackwar1bob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Hello People. [16:08] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.212) joined ##slackware. [16:09] hello person [16:09] hello eviljames [16:09] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-99.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [16:09] :D [16:09] hi eviljames :D [16:09] hi nix_chix0r ! [16:11] hehe [16:11] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-167-205.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:12] it's nice to see job postings listing slackware usage as desireable [16:12] nix_chix0r: 11 is when they are very funny. But the years before that, as well [16:12] Only, I can take him to Avatar 3D now and be able to watch most of the movie [16:13] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:13] Necos: never saw that kind of thing [16:13] i've been noticing my kid pulling off his left sock constantly leaving the right one on. my brother used to do the same thing when he was a kid. only one foot got hot [16:13] my coworker was looking at some on jobs.com, i think [16:14] they also mentioned gentoo... strange indeed [16:14] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] does any one know what it means when i run /sbin/lilo and get Warning: LBA32 addressisng assumed, then nothing happens? [16:18] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-225-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:18] coldcog: add the line lba32 to your lilo.conf and that warning disappears [16:19] coldcog: alternatively, check man lilo.conf for what the line does :P [16:19] i did a bunch of checking on the net and it kept mentioning my kernel being modded for that to happen, which didnt make sense to me cause its not [16:20] Those people were all wrong [16:20] so i wanted to figure out exactly what i was doing before i screwed around with it too much [16:20] they all do it as far as i know [16:20] in the man page for lilo.conf it even says: "Use of lba32 is recommended on all post-1998 systems" [16:21] and thats not enabled by default i guess? [16:21] not unless you specify it in lilo.conf [16:21] for backwards compatibility, probably not [16:21] Hence, the warning, stating it is generating cylendar/head/sector addresses instead of lba32 addresses [16:22] ok [16:23] Mkman (n=tiago@bl11-39-231.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:25] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:26] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-166-128.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:26] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.13) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:26] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [16:27] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:28] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:28] cool the warning is gone but its still does nothing haha [16:30] alien, so freenx-client on the site is ok, but I should get the new one from nomachine site? [16:30] lol, I just posted that by mistake in #gentoo [16:30] basically i have a dual boot and im trying to make linux my default boot [16:30] coldcog: nothing is good. That means everything went a-ok! [16:31] slackwar1bob: yes I usually use the official client, but open source fanatics like to use the freenx-client [16:31] even though it doesnt return me back to my bash-3.1$? [16:31] ... it just hangs? [16:31] ok, the official is alright. [16:31] alienBOB: but the there were no instructions with it on anything. [16:32] yeah, i edit my lilo.conf so that linux is first and changed the timeout but after you ahve run /sbin/lilo -v -v so that lilo updates witht he config file and actually takes your changes into account i guess [16:32] slackwar1bob: instructions with what?////////// [16:32] but when i run it /sbin/lilo -v -v it just hangs there forever [16:33] alienBOB: just on how to start/stop anything else someone needs to know. [16:33] coldcog: as regular user or root? [16:33] alienBOB: I ran /etc/rc.d/rc.freenx start but it errors out. [16:33] since i added lba32 it doesnt give me that error and then hang, now it just ahngs with no error so i gues thats a step in the right direction haha [16:33] as normal and root [16:34] alienBOB: two errors, one says no running sessions found, second says service already running. I think I'll try to connect to now. :) [16:34] bash-3.1# /sbin/lilo -v -v [16:34] LILO version 22.8, Copyright (C) 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger [16:34] Development beyond version 21 Copyright (C) 1999-2006 John Coffman [16:34] Channel flood from coldcog -- kicking [16:34] Released 19-Feb-2007 and compiled at 12:43:17 on Nov 29 2008. [16:34] Running Linux kernel 2.6.29.6-smp on i686 [16:34] raid_setup returns offset = 00000000 ndisk = 0 [16:34] coldcog kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:34] -sigh- [16:34] he got a few more lines in than usual... [16:35] W|GGL|T (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] oops i didnt realize that was so many lines... [16:35] alienBOB: they have a winders client too? cool! [16:35] Ssssssure [16:35] haha [16:35] lol, did he just paste his entire lilo.conf in there. [16:35] At work I run WIndows but I still want to connect to the NX server at home [16:36] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [16:36] no [16:36] i didnt [16:36] slackwar1bob: the only thing /etc/rc.d/rc.freenx does is to enable/disable logins. You do not really have to run it, evern [16:36] If you installed the nx and freenx packages, your NX server already works [16:36] yeah, I want to control it from my windows machine, coz the laptop is on the corner of the desk. hard to reach. [16:38] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [16:38] doh, my boss is calling. got to work. :) [16:38] i pasted the results of a command... [16:38] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.59.164) joined ##slackware. [16:42] matu_ (n=matu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] coldcog: pastebin.ca for the results [16:42] coldcog: this is on slackware 13? [16:42] unixfool (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:42] yes it is slackware 13 [16:43] just got on it like 4 days ago from ubuntu (im sure that explains alot) :p [16:43] Rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.1.0" [16:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.225) joined ##slackware. [16:44] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [16:44] one sec ive never used pastebin.. [16:47] Is there a WYSIWYG blogging client available for Slackware? I have never done blogging from Linux. My SL13 install is the complete install from the DVD. [16:47] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.214) joined ##slackware. [16:47] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. [16:47] rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:47] kleanchap: you can install wordpress [16:48] eviljames: http://pastebin.ca/1751541 [16:49] I can't connect to it. [16:49] alienBOB, Is wordpress a wysisyg client something like MS Word which allows you to publish the document to the blog site? [16:49] kleanchap: no. wordpress is a blog system which contains an editor. [16:49] coldcog: has lilo worked in this setup before? [16:50] unixfool (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] BP{k}, Is there a blogging client for SL13? [16:51] kleanchap: do you already run a blog? [16:51] kleanchap: not that I know, I tend to just use the wordpress editor. [16:51] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [16:51] got it. [16:52] well it works fine... like i can boot into everything and whatever just like i always have bene able to [16:52] been [16:52] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [16:52] kleanchap: I just see that my KDE has blogilo as a blogging client [16:52] thats what happens when i run /sbin/lilo -v -v [16:53] to try to get lilo to read my new config file so that linux is default instead of windows [16:53] as it is lilo is ignoring all the changes ive made to lilo.config [16:53] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:53] alienBOB: must be a newer KDE you run than the one in slackware 13.0? [16:54] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [16:54] BP{k}: kde 4.4.rc1 [16:54] kleanchap: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/6-free-blog-editors-that-you-can-use-on-your-linux-desktop/ <-- might also be of some help [16:54] W|GGL|T (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:55] alienBOB: so you claim the freenx server is running, right? [16:55] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:55] BP{k}, I looked for the very first item in that list via the sbopkg and did not find it. [16:55] THat was yesterday. [16:55] kleanchap: and? [16:55] I claimed that you should be able to logon to it after you installed the two packages yes [16:56] kleanchap: by the way, for what DE/WM and what blog are you looking at? [16:56] BP{k}, I continued searching for the other browsers and did not find any of them. [16:56] slackwar1bob: there is nothing "running" after installation... [16:56] hehe, :) so I have the client running. I can't connect. [16:57] kleanchap: uhm what? 1) What browsers? 2) Your answer doesn't make sense at all. [16:57] Your nx client connects to your ssh server for the initial step, then uses your own credentials to login to your machine [16:57] alienBOB: so NX connection wizard says session: I assume that's just a local name, right? I type the host, port (22). [16:57] "alien" and "Bob" are becoming cult names. I think I will change into "kleanalien" or "kleanbob". :-) [16:58] alienBOB: i set unix, kde then say next. [16:58] it says, session startup failed. [16:59] ah, the error says: [16:59] /usr/bin/nxserver: line 562: kill: (18131) - No such process. [16:59] coldcog: what makes you think lilo is ignoring your changes? [16:59] alienBOB, You mentioned that you have Blogilo on your KDE. Is the the standard SL13 release or is the slackware-current? [16:59] how can i set the nepomuk folder size? [17:00] I run something newer than slackware-current even [17:00] kleanchap: I think he's running a versio nahead of -current [17:00] because i when i reboot linux is still not the default OS to boot into, and i changed my timeout 30 seconds from 2 minutes and that hasnt changed either [17:00] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [17:00] kleanchap: do keep up, I already asked that. ;) blogilo is part of KDE 4.4 [17:00] alienBOB, I think your version of qt was giving me funky behavior [17:01] BP{k}, how do I update my system then to slackware-current? [17:02] slackwar1bob: try if http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:nx helps you troubleshooting [17:02] guitarman4 (n=steve@s207-6-28-60.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Masterx851 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] kleanchap: KDE 4.4 isn't in -current so even upgrading to -current will just give you KDE 4.3.4 [17:05] alienBOB: thanks for your help. I am going to reboot. [17:05] It passes authentication but fails after attempting download of session. [17:05] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-65.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] since linux is becoming more like winders everyday, I find reboots fix many errors. :) [17:05] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] someday it will winnux and it will be the best of both worlds. [17:06] coldcog: as root, trying doing something like: /sbin/lilo -v 5 -C /path/to/your/lilo.conf [17:06] W|GGL|T (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] slackwar1bob: and on that day, I migrate entirely to Solaris. [17:06] james, :p Solairs is already on its way out. [17:07] false, but offtopic :P [17:07] j/k. :) no offense intended. [17:07] thanks ill try that.. i have to go pick my little sister up from school, ill try that when i get back [17:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.214) left irc: [17:09] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] rebooting... [17:09] slackwar1bob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:09] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:12] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:13] unixfool (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:14] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:18] Nick change: thumbs -> Therion_wannabe [17:18] anyone knows how to control de size of memory used by nepomuk indexer? [17:19] in KDE [17:19] 4.3.4 [17:19] Nick change: Therion_wannabe -> thumbs [17:20] picobyte (n=damian@p548C9954.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [17:20] picobyte (n=damian@p548C9954.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [17:24] I wish. [17:24] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] Alt_of_Ctrl: are you noticing serious performance issues with -current while rebuilding the index? [17:24] yes [17:25] a lot [17:25] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.113.171) joined ##slackware. [17:25] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [17:25] I have noticed the same.. 25% cpu time, large amount sof memory stolen at any given time [17:25] it seams i am using vista [17:25] index rebuilding? [17:25] pprkut: nepomuk/strigi [17:26] not kde or linux anymore [17:26] Alt_of_Ctrl: patience is a virtue. [17:26] KDE has chosen to index a pile of semantic data on your files for extremely fast searching [17:26] and, fwiw, when the index is built, it is extremely fast. [17:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [17:28] why would it rebuild the index on -current? [17:28] there's no virtuoso yet [17:28] moving from 13.0-> -current causes the index to rebuild. I'm about 80% sure on this one [17:29] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] different versions of something, maybe folder structure of ~/.kde changed.. I don't know exactly [17:29] hmm [17:29] I'm 99% sure that the index is only rebuilt if soprano's backend changes [17:29] Oh! [17:30] i will wait this night for a solution in 4.3.4 [17:30] which you can define in a config file, btw [17:30] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [17:30] I noticed that akonadi popup again for the first time since upgrading.. it crashes while I'm reading it [17:30] but I *think* it is related, in that it cannot find the previous mysql database or some such thing [17:30] after that i will deactivate it [17:30] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Alt_of_Ctrl: how much data is in your /home folder? If you're like me (at 400+GB) deactivating right away may be your best option. [17:31] eviljames, yeah [17:31] my home is large [17:31] Alt_of_Ctrl: If you notice that it helps to deactivate, please let me know. I haven't gone that route yet, because amazingly I haven't sat at the desktop in acouple of days [17:32] oh, it appears my indexing has completed in the meantime.. I think.. ? [17:32] sirslacker (i=1000@s0933.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "leaving" [17:34] brb [17:34] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:35] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:37] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] Hello Poeple [17:37] People* [17:37] hello [17:38] i deactivate nepomuk [17:38] it seams kde again [17:38] dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Alt_of_Ctrl: kde is resopnsive once more? [17:39] is more fast [17:39] alienBOB: have you tested your digiKam builds against -current at all? [17:39] i have a Core2Duo 3ghz [17:40] and nepomuk was slowing KDE a lot [17:40] alienBOB: u around? [17:42] s/u/you/ [17:45] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:46] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.217.93.228) joined ##slackware. [17:46] s/you/u/g [17:46] btw, you also broke around. [17:47] BP{k}: why is important to switch "u" with "you"? [17:47] beacuse "u" looks stupid, and as a result is disrespectful to your subject. [17:47] eviljames: yes i agree.. [17:48] hehe starting a sentence with lowercase letters and misspelling seems more stupid and is more disrespectful, to be honest. [17:48] Depends on the speed at which you want to produce said sentence. [17:48] but using common slang usage is and has been acceptable use of language and has been the source of language evolution. [17:48] but then we should use what the fuck instead of wtf? [17:48] and other... [17:48] it's an established acronym. [17:48] I type well over 130 wpm, and as a result the shift key occasionally doesn't respond as I would like, and regularly on older keyboards keys are transposed. [17:49] acronyms and idioms have been technically and grammatically incorrect. [17:49] always. [17:49] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.72.106) joined ##slackware. [17:49] \o/ hooray for grammar nazis [17:49] pupit: I personally find the usage of "u" and "r" rather stupid. They are just letters, not established words. It just makes the writer look like an imature twit. [17:49] Yeah. Letters aren't slang. [17:50] and txtspeak or whatever it is called isn't anything. It's stupid, everyone stop using it. srsly. [17:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:50] I personally find it to be more annoying and twit-like behavior when someone is around a help channel and hijacks the conversation instead of adding something valuable. [17:50] BP{k}: i agree with You, everyone fights for his rights [17:51] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: "leaving" [17:51] letters/ slang/ other means of communication are just that. As long as it is understood. [17:51] No, not as long as it is understood. [17:51] word abbreviations have been around since the days of telex. [17:51] pupit: Call it a mixture of age, ocpd and intake of several martinis. ;_) [17:51] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] copd? [17:52] regardless, of choice of words, if you have nothing to add, I think you shouldn't drag a conversation around. [17:52] Could we add maybe one more comma to that sentence? [17:52] :) [17:53] k, I think I've inspired enough anti-eviljames feelings for today. [17:53] u adn you are too much serious about "restekpa" ;) [17:53] pupit: respek. ali g. reconnniz [17:53] haha [17:53] james, I am learning to use less commas. you're right I still use too many,. [17:54] I'm just giving you the gears for no reason. Do what most of the folks here do, ignore me :P [17:54] freaking technical writing minor forced me into writing out long sentences and over punctuating (which I learnt somewhat incorrectly). [17:54] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:54] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] i have a question about nvidia drivers on slackbuilds. are they significantly better then drivers from nvidia.com? [17:54] james, not ignoring you. just making kommunication while my kboss is kharrassing me. [17:55] pupit, they ARE the drivers from nvidia.com [17:55] pupit: repackaged so that pkgtool can handle them. That's about it. [17:55] pupit: they're a slackware-friendly packaging of nvidia drivers. [17:55] oh [17:55] oh. looks like even as fast as I type, I couldn't hav egotten that out fast enoug.h lame. [17:55] ok then [17:55] bah, I'm off. [17:56] yeah GTFO :P [17:56] BP{k}: I'm still waiting for you to come over and toss my salad. [17:56] gtfo? [17:56] eviljames: have you checked the temperature in hell? ;) [17:56] BP{k}: yes. Hell is slightly colder than Rio today. We went over that earlier in ##slackware-offtopic [17:57] pupit: acronym, meaning "get the fuck out" [17:57] jesus... [17:57] Nick change: ech -> Echoes [18:00] on slackbuilds says there is a: nvidia-kernel (190.42) , nvidia-driver (190.42) and libvdpau (0.2) what should i install first, then whats the second and third package? what are the steps? [18:00] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [18:01] i know i have to build them all first... [18:01] no you don't. [18:01] doesn't matter [18:02] Nick change: Echoes -> ech [18:02] if you wan to use the driver, you need kernel present [18:03] if you want to utilize vdpau, you'll need the library to be present in the system [18:03] pprkut: i dont even know for what is that vdpau, im just trying to follow the steps. [18:04] how to completely uninstall kde and all it's apps ? [18:04] tsonev: removepkg [18:04] i think.. [18:04] .. [18:04] I'm not sure [18:05] pupit: gpu accellerated video decoding [18:05] tsonev, since they all start with "kde", use removepkg, /var/log/packages/, and your imagination [18:05] removepkg kde then hit tab [18:05] pprkut: thanks! ;) [18:06] ok 10x [18:06] hahahha [18:06] so this 10x is like blasphemy... [18:06] ? [18:07] tsonev: nevermind ;) [18:07] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] come on, everybody knows that 10x is an abbreviation for tanks ;) [18:07] that seems to hang as welle eviljames [18:07] some people here are used to thanks instead of 10x and you instead of u... [18:08] pprkut: call me ignorant fool, i've got it now! :) [18:08] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.225) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:10] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [18:11] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.235) joined ##slackware. [18:15] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.212) left ##slackware. [18:15] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] lilo hates me [18:16] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-84-63.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:19] what would be the correct form of this: "lynx --dump example.com | grep -i something" [18:19] trying to only print the line(s) with "something" on it [18:20] wow slocatedb is a mere 8.4MB whereas xapiandb is 2.3GB. lol [18:20] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:20] urban (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Nick change: urban -> Guest89033 [18:21] Reticenti: I dunno about --dump, try -dump with one hyphen [18:21] Guest24717 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:22] nope [18:22] Reticenti: also, -dump shows the rendered page. If you need to grep the HTML, use -source and be prepared to deal with pages where the whole damn thing is on one line with no line breaks [18:22] ah [18:22] lynx -dump http://google.com | grep -i search # works fine [18:23] i think what the problem is is that i'm trying to grep stderr :3 [18:23] ah, yeah [18:23] I'm attempting to write a script that pings me when a server comes back online [18:23] so lynx cant reach the server atm [18:23] how do i redirect stderr into something i can grep? [18:24] 2&>1 [18:24] Reticenti like a cron? [18:24] i was going to do a while(1) loop :P [18:24] but yeah [18:25] while(1) lol the server would cry if it had eyes lol ;) [18:25] hmm, the -dump option actually spits out the rendered page on stderr, and stdout is redirected to /dev/null or something. Interesting. [18:25] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.31.235) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] weird [18:25] might be better to use curl or wget for this job anyway [18:25] lechiffre: I was going to wait like a minute between each call [18:25] ah, yeah [18:26] hmm.. ok. [18:26] wget -O /dev/null http://google.com 2>/dev/null && echo "OK" || echo "DOWN" [18:27] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] prints OK, if you replace the google.com with asdf.asdf, prints DOWN [18:27] you are a terminal god =D [18:27] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:27] well, it might just be that I have a terminal disease :) [18:27] what does || do? [18:27] heh [18:28] boolean "or" operation [18:28] is || OR? [18:28] right [18:28] if you have more complex processing to do, you could say: [18:28] if wget -O /dev/null http://google.com 2>/dev/null && echo "OK" || echo "DOWN"; then [18:28] whoops [18:28] if wget -O /dev/null http://google.com 2>/dev/null; then [18:28] [18:28] else [18:28] [18:28] Channel flood from Urchlay -- kicking [18:28] fi [18:28] Urchlay kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:29] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] pastebin? :P [18:29] !tell Urchlay about pastebin [18:29] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-49-81.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:29] these bots seriously needs some heuristic for kicks lol ;p [18:29] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:29] bleah, I didn't know I could type fast enough to trigger a flood-kick [18:29] that can happen if you lag a little [18:30] .. or if slackboy lags [18:30] yeah [18:30] anyway as long as it's not a ban, I don't worry about it [18:30] irssi even has a plugin that accomodates flood kicks :P [18:31] Reticenti: whatever you do, make damn sure your script doesn't keep emailing/paging you every minute during the time the server's down [18:31] lol [18:31] yeah [18:31] anyone up for testing out planeshift? [18:31] we could make a slackware guild :P [18:31] i'm going to have it wait 60 seconds if it is down, then try again [18:32] downtime = 1 hour, you have 30 emails... if you're receiving emails on your phone, that's *really* irritating (this happened to me before) [18:32] if it's up, it's going to text me [18:32] er, 60 emails, whatever. My old phone, you couldn't in fact make phone calls while you had unread emails, and "reading" an email took 4 or 5 button presses (per email) [18:32] ouch [18:32] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [18:32] Urchlay: i have a friend who set up an IDS that would text him when someone did something... and he forgot all about it [18:33] my old phone had UI design failure of epic proportions... [18:33] Urchlay: like two months later he gets the funny idea to do a full nmap of the work server from his home [18:33] macavity: d'oh! [18:33] $500 worth of texts? [18:33] in bash, does a while loop end when this happens: "while [0]" ? [18:33] Urchlay: apparently 64K texts killed his provider :P [18:33] na, most of us here have free texts [18:33] dos'ed his provider, nice :) [18:34] they didnt notice... he only got the first few.. then texting died [18:34] I don't have free texts because I *hate* texting, so I can tell people "don't frigging text me, it costs a quarter per text" [18:34] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:34] weeks later the neibours complain to him that texting doesnt work and ask if he knows who to talk to.. and it dawned on him :P [18:34] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:34] anything someone wants to say to me, they can say it quicker than they can type it on a microscopic phone keypad anyway [18:35] macavity: nice. Sound like a story from thedailywtf.com [18:35] the provider looked into it and found out that the relay had run out of memory and crashed hard [18:36] so they asked him, since the texts were still in the spooler "do you actually want them.. or should we just remove the remaining 63821 texts?" :P [18:36] :) [18:36] does this script look ok? http://pastebin.com/d26c36834 [18:36] first time doing a loop in bash [18:36] at a quarter a pop, that'd be a hell of a phone bill... even at a nickel it'd be big [18:36] Reticenti, heard of nagios ? [18:36] nope [18:36] www.nagios.org [18:36] ;) [18:37] this is cooler though :P [18:37] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Reticenti: did you test the 'while [$j]' stuff? I've never seen that syntax before, dunno what (if anything) it actually does [18:37] ah [18:37] i was just thinking maybe it behaved like C [18:37] and it's "while ; do ; done" [18:37] it might [18:38] does the decrement operator work in bash? [18:38] $J-- ? [18:38] not really [18:38] so i'd need to do $J = $J - 1 ? [18:38] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:38] I mean there's a fancy bash syntax that'll do that, something like J=$((J-1)) [18:38] oh [18:38] you don't stick the $ in front of the variable name you're assigning to, either [18:39] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] i see [18:39] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-29-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:39] why not just "J=0" there? you don't really plan to decrement it again, to -1, so follow the KISS principle [18:39] because 0 is false, other is true [18:39] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [18:40] at least it is in c [18:41] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-60-61.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [18:41] while 1 doesnt work in bash [18:42] just tested it [18:42] while true [18:42] bash uses 0 for true [18:42] that's weird [18:42] thanks [18:43] no, in shellscripting that makes sense [18:43] because true also means "success". There's only one "success" status, but any program might return hundreds of potential "failure" statuses, depending on why they failed [18:43] as 0 is "no error" when commands exit [18:43] ah [18:43] true just returns 0 [18:43] its all that app does :P [18:43] guess what false does ;-) [18:44] any general kde4 equalizer ? [18:44] also how to change the icon of all directories ? [18:44] paul424: i think it is in the making.. as aRts got depricated [18:44] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:44] o_O [18:45] alright, so here's something that should work then: http://pastebin.com/d6f953c11 [18:45] err, s/wait/sleep [18:45] or [18:46] yeah [18:46] here we go: http://pastebin.com/d1fcf3ef6 [18:47] goarilla_ (n=goarilla@81.40-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [18:47] ahhhh, the server is up now [18:47] :'-( [18:47] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [18:47] i didnt get to test my script [18:47] goarilla (n=goarilla@122.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] change the URL in the script to something that doesn't exist [18:48] saner to do that for testing than to take down your web server... [18:49] so if the server went down, the script exits... you going to manually restart the script? [18:49] yeah [18:49] it's not for production [18:49] it's just to see when a favorite site comes back [18:50] ah, ok [18:51] something to be aware of: wget has its own built-in timeout/retry functionality. You might be able to set the timeout to 60 sec and the number of retries to infinite, and do away with the need for a while loop [18:52] interesting [18:52] i'll look at that, thanks [18:53] also, if you're going to be doing more bash scripting, there's a pretty decent "intro to bash scripting" out there [18:53] cool [18:54] believe this is the one: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html [18:54] bookmarked :) [18:55] is there any hidden pattern on you do choose how to ignore me ? like on even days or something ? then tell and I will come here only on odd ones .... [18:55] sounds like you already know C... I always tell people "shell scripting should never be taught to anyone as their first programming language" [18:55] yeah, I'm a cs major learning C++ [18:55] i ordered a ruby book recently and should come in the mail soon [18:56] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.14.62) joined ##slackware. [18:56] the shell's syntax evolved slowly over 3 or 4 decades, there are so many warts it's hard to see the skin [18:57] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Client Quit [18:57] this script doesnt see when the serer is up: http://pastebin.com/d1a0ef5a9 [18:57] you have constructs like if/fi, case/esac, but then do/done instead of the (seemingly logical) do/od [18:57] lechiffre (n=lechiffr@59.92.113.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:57] ah, i have noticed that [18:57] Urchlay: "man od" [18:57] :p [18:58] I assume that's the reason [18:58] fred: yeah, it is [18:58] (not saying it's good, just a probable reason) [18:58] sometime before the bourne shell acquired a "do" construct, someone wrote an octal dumper called "od" that everyone used... [18:59] Reticenti: you have the sense of your test backwards. The first block should be the "up" stuff and the else block should be the "down" [18:59] oh [18:59] evening people [18:59] heh [18:59] nagios is easy man [18:59] just use nagios and stop wasting your time [18:59] jeev: he's learning shell scripting, I'd say that's not a waste of time [18:59] ah [18:59] shell scripting sucks too [19:00] know what [who] else sucks? [19:00] sure, but any *nix system is guaranteed to have a bourne-style shell available, so it's handy to know how to use it [19:00] thrice, your mom ? [19:00] thrice`: 5th. [19:00] jeev, aw, beat me to it :> [19:00] bgeddy (n=ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:01] now it's always saying that it's up, Urchlay [19:01] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:01] Reticenti: well, google is always up, no? [19:02] i changed it to adhf32hf329.com [19:02] hm. /home/urchlay/incoming/d1a0ef5a9.sh: line 13: syntax error near unexpected token `done' [19:04] Urchlay: this always gives up http://pastebin.com/d180ef225 [19:04] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] hang on, I think the stupid pastebin site is inserting DOS carriage returns, and stupid bash is getting confused by them [19:05] ;\ [19:06] is there a tool in sbo that can remove them? [19:06] I dunno, my fingers know how to type perl -i -pe 's/\r//' filename [19:06] ah [19:06] like, of their own accord [19:06] lol [19:06] without me thinking about it [19:07] your latest script version is saying "stilldown", which is what it should do, yes? [19:07] latest is this one: http://pastebin.com/d180ef225 [19:07] and it says everything is up [19:08] even the random nonexistant page i used [19:08] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [19:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start" [19:10] Urchlay: [19:10] I needed if [ wget ... ] [19:11] Urchlay: this works now: http://pastebin.com/d6a80687e [19:12] but now it;'s saying everything is down :\ [19:13] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [19:14] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.225) joined ##slackware. [19:17] well what happens if you run the wget command by itself, without redirecting stderr? [19:18] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-117-188.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] oh, I see the trouble. Get rid of the [ ] around the wget command [19:19] 301 moved ... [19:19] if wget -args... [19:20] seriously, the [ ] does something completely different from what you're trying to do here [19:20] Urchlay: now its sayinge verything is up [19:21] ojh [19:21] ok, what happens if you run wget on your nonexistent site, without redirecting stderr? [19:21] here's what i have now: http://pastebin.com/d2903abcb [19:21] oh, it redirects to opndns [19:22] opendns [19:22] oh [19:22] because that's my dns server [19:22] :\ [19:22] so no matter what garbage you try to resolve, it'll connect you to a real web server [19:22] yeah [19:22] Action: Reticenti smacks forehead against wall [19:23] when verizon did that to the root dns servers, it was considered evil... why's it not evil for opendns? [19:23] idk [19:23] er, or was it verisign? [19:23] whoever [19:23] now i want to switch to google dns [19:23] your DNS is officially broken, better fix it [19:23] yeah [19:24] the good news is, your script does work fine for me :) [19:25] :) [19:25] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-33-30-247.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] i changed the dns in wicd, how do i restart it? [19:26] because it's not taking effect yet [19:26] but, when the real site you're testing goes down, I'm guessing its DNS doesn't go away. You should check & see what happens in that case (if the DNS works but the site has nothing listening on port 80, or else it does, but it times out) [19:27] I dunno, is there a /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd script? [19:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.217.93.228) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] Action: Urchlay hasn't ever used wicd [19:27] ah, yeah [19:28] :\, still not refreshing with google's dns [19:29] disconnect and reconnect should aloow the new dns settings to take effect. [19:29] horatio (n=419king@pool-71-188-31-6.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] horatio (n=419king@pool-71-188-31-6.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:29] I don't like stuff like wicd, where it breaks the normal thing you'd do to fix it (vi /etc/resolv.conf) [19:30] didnt work XGizzmo [19:30] and the dns is set in /etc/resolv.conf [19:31] eh, it should work then [19:31] Where did you set the dns settings? [19:31] in wicd slient [19:31] well, wicd network manager [19:31] i also restarted rc.wicd, rc.inet1, rc.inet2, rc.inetd [19:32] i'll jsut restart the system [19:32] brb [19:32] yeesh. winnux... [19:34] chimneytom (n=tom@pool-71-103-167-213.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] wicd shluld create a resolv.conf-wlan0.sv or something like that. [19:35] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:35] Nick change: Reticent1 -> Reticenti [19:35] Zordrak: ping [19:36] XGizzmo: in 1.7 is does [19:37] alright, now i'm using google dns [19:37] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.140.204) joined ##slackware. [19:37] It always has AFAIK Salty. [19:38] thanks Urchlay and XGizzmo [19:38] True. [19:38] it wouldn't surprise me if their DNS always returned the IP of their main site, if you try to look up a nonexistent domain [19:38] XGizzmo: 1.7 will be released moderately soon. :) [19:40] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:40] Urchlay: It would not suprise me. nxdomain == www.google.com [19:40] Urchlay: google's dns says you cannot resolve the nonexistant url [19:40] so their DNS isn't broken, good [19:41] yeah, the big thing that they advertise is that it does not redirect [19:42] hooray, it works now [19:42] imagine an OS that did that for files... you try to open a nonexistent file and instead it gives you a "no_such_file.txt" or something [19:43] yeah, lol [19:43] it's madness [19:44] or a bartender that did that for drinks... order a vodka gimlet, he doesn't know how to make it, so you get a martini instead? [19:44] lol [19:46] so Urchlay, in that wget line, it's basically saying "wget the url and sav it to /dev/null, if it got saved to /dev/null, then it's up, else it's down" correct? [19:47] if wget -O /dev/null $1 2>/dev/null [19:47] well, really it's saying "if wget exited with 0 (success) status, then it's up, else it's down (because wget exited with non-zero status) [19:47] ahh [19:47] dive: ping [19:48] and it exits with 0 if it saves to /dev/null ? [19:48] agentc0re, pong [19:48] marco [19:48] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [19:48] it so happens that wget's exit status is zero if it could get the page, and non-zero if not (and if you really wanted to, I guess you could look in the man page & see if wget gives different exit status for different types of error, and make decisions based on that...) [19:48] i see [19:49] dive: Yo! hey, a while back you gave me that awesome php style for directory indexing with css but i lost all that stuff. Can i grab that from you again? [19:49] exits with 0 if it ran successfully, yes. If somehow you managed to rm /dev/null on your system, it would fail if you ran it as a non-root user [19:49] lol [19:49] rm -rf /dev/null [19:49] agentc0re, sure I'll upload in a few secs [19:50] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-117-188.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Killed buffer"). [19:50] dive: thanks. What's your website again anyhoot? [19:50] if you were missing /dev/null and you ran it as root, you'd end up with a *file* called /dev/null, which confuses the hell out of many, many programs (and the user, and the admin too usually) [19:50] dive: going to throw a link to it from my site so i remember. [19:50] e.g. an app that redirects its standard input from /dev/null, expecting to receive no input, suddenly gets the contents of a file (whatever was there) instead [19:51] (though if I were writing that app, I'd sooner close(stdin);) [19:51] ah, yeah [19:51] that would probably break the system [19:51] yeah [19:52] fortunately it's not usually too broken to repair (by removing the bogus /dev/null and using mknod to create a real one) [19:52] agentc0re, www.unrealize.co.uk [19:55] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[20:09] iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.32.2.9-fw-1 for firmware [20:09] i talked someone into installing slackware, got everything accomplished except this [20:09] right on [20:09] thanks [20:09] it's installed by default [20:09] oh isit? [20:09] hrm [20:09] mmhmm [20:10] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:14] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] vhargon (n=geno@122.58.186.7) joined ##slackware. [20:19] jjholt2 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] jjholt2 (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@108.101.112.42) joined ##slackware. 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[20:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@108.101.112.42) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:49] yo slackwarebob [20:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434498.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:56] hello [20:56] hello edman007 [20:57] mfillpot, i always read your nick as milfpot, am i alone? [20:57] there are alot of perverts in here, you are not the first [20:57] well, i suppose that helps [20:58] it is funny that so many people think milf [21:00] does your nick have a meaning/source, or did you find it in /dev/random ? [21:00] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.78.18.158) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] edman007: my name is matthew fillpot, mfillpot is just quicker to type [21:01] lol.. i always read it as "milfpot" :P [21:01] no wai... [21:01] fillpot as a last name? that is weird... [21:01] it is weird and rare [21:01] macavity, now i no longer feel alone [21:02] edman007: though, he is right about the pervert thing :P [21:02] my name is common, 'ed martin', put it into google and you can't find me [21:02] at least in my case ;-) [21:03] macavity, pervert, man, what is the difference? [21:03] I'm not denying that I am perverted also [21:04] there are three levels of perversion; prevert, pervert and provert.. which are you? [21:04] lol [21:04] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-90.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:04] since i am perverted before, during and after, i qualify for all three :P [21:05] I always thought of myself as a pro [21:06] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] slackguru (n=trimmer@71-213-235-63.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:20] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [21:20] macavity, i'm running git mesa [21:21] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-33-30-247.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: "Leaving" [21:21] Action: edman007 gets Déjà vu [21:22] mesa 7.7 didn't work too well on my intel [21:24] well the git one runs just fine here [21:24] has anyone had trouble getting a VIA Rhine ethernet adapter to work? [21:24] that would be 7.7 :> [21:25] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:25] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:28] thrice`, nah, version numbers are assigned when it is released, when running git you have a version number assigned to a branch which caries a revision number, but each checkout can vary thus they are all different versions and can't be classified as a different version without the revision number as well [21:28] vehn_z1 (n=vehn_z@62.133.181.13) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:29] aitee (n=aitee@64.126.140.161) joined ##slackware. [21:29] I use ssh tunneling to connect to my irc bouncer. However, if the connection goes dead long enough, ssh closes and I have to restart it. How can I tell ssh to stay up and retry? [21:30] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [21:31] so any freenx users around? [21:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] ccfreak2k, read the man page, there is an option in there somewhere...something about keepalive [21:33] slackwarebob: freenx? [21:34] nyRednek: no machines, remote desktop control app. [21:35] ok... [21:36] edman007, I'm not seeing it. [21:36] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:36] slackwarebob: is there a windows version to control windows machines? [21:37] rdp. [21:37] ccfreak2k, -o TCPKeepAlive [21:37] took 5 seconds... [21:38] That wasn't so hard, was it? [21:39] The man page says it already defaults to ``yes''. [21:40] ok anybody know how to setup publickey based ssh auth? [21:40] slackwarebob, yes [21:40] ccfreak2k: and have you checked the ssh config files? [21:40] thinking of installing something that updates ip addresses of my customers so i can go in to remotely fix(keeps onsite calls to a minimum) [21:40] I have a rough idea that the server has auth_keys file which stores allowed keys and anyone with that key can come in without a pass. [21:41] slackwarebob, unless of course the user's private key is passphrased. :) [21:41] ccfreak2k: so in addition to public key the user might also be required to provide a private passphrase? [21:42] ccfreak2k, anyways, i read the manual for you, now you have to read it for slackwarebob [21:42] edman007: lol good setup there. [21:42] edman007, don't have to. I already know what's needed. [21:42] slackwarebob, the user can elect to set a passphrase on their private key. [21:43] ccfreak2k, make sure to cover ssh-agent [21:43] lol. [21:43] you're making sure he works, eh? [21:43] edman007, how about no thx. [21:43] Action: edman007 slaps ccfreak2k [21:43] what? [21:43] slackwarebob, edman007 has this covered, I'm going elsewhere. [21:44] so setup can be made for public key only, or public and private keys? [21:44] heh... [21:44] my extent of ssh has been sshd restart [21:46] ccfreak2k, i'm lazy [21:46] so my question is how do I generate and add a new authorized key requiring no password on the user side. [21:46] of all the dirty tricks! udev renamed eth0 to eth1 [21:46] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30B68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Pig_Pen, i still remember when my sata went from hde to sda, not fun [21:48] and the only clue is buried in dmesg about half way down [21:48] edman007, thanks, I'm well aware of what git is :> you pulling master = 7.7 branch [21:48] my favorite is gentoo livecd kernel calls them hda, but after booting the kernel sees them as sda. throw off the entire fstab. doesn't boot. [21:49] :P [21:49] edman007: so you defer to the other guy who defers to you? [21:49] anyone with slackware64 able to watch hulu video's? [21:49] on the ssh issue [21:49] slackwarebob, i'm illiterate [21:49] hehe. [21:50] thrice`: you dont happen to have ready made packages do you? :P [21:50] aitee (n=aitee@64.126.140.161) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:51] i was thinking what happened, i can build a kernel better than that, i removed a flakey old rtl8139 ethernet card, and rebuilt the kernel for the motherboards embedded ethernet via_rhine and the module loads just fine and all the configs in /etc/* are perfect, where is it going wrong, i feel so stupid for not looking in dmesg sooner, but i still see no logic in renaming the eth# from eth0 to eth1 [21:51] macavity, of mesa? nope; you need to bump libdrm first anyway [21:52] i know :P [21:52] Pig_Pen: see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [21:52] Then it will be perfectly logical. [21:52] i was just being lazy and hoped you would just point me an ftp link to your own packages :P [21:52] ^^ [21:52] I am having luck with libdrm 2.4.17, mesa 7.6.1, and intel 2.10.0 (or 2.9.x) [21:52] ok [21:52] mesa 7.7 wasn't so hot [21:52] roger [21:53] might vary by chipset though [21:53] thrice`: libdrm-2.4.17, mesa-7.7, intel-2.10.0 is fine here [21:53] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.225.8.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:53] it made kde re-drawing stuff dog-slow [21:53] rworkman: this is the 945 vs 965 issue again :P [21:53] libdrm and mesa are circular, fwiw. [21:53] macavity: ick [21:53] rworkman, circular? [21:53] they roll [21:53] [21:54] rworkman: I thought it was kind of nice of udev not to randomly rename your network cards. [21:54] new mesa needs libdrm-2.4.16+, libdrm-2.4.17 needs mesa>7.5 [21:54] j0k3r_ (n=rddalcen@unaffiliated/j0k3r) left irc: "leaving" [21:54] are you telling me you cant install libdrm on a system that doesnt have Mesa? [21:54] that makes no sense.. [21:55] libdrm can't depend on mesa, that doesn't make sense [21:55] mesa-7.7 needs libdrm-2.4.17+ to enable LIBDRM_RADEON, but libdrm needs to be built against mesa-7.6+ for the xf86-video-intel driver to build. [21:55] Try it if you don't believe me :) [21:56] this is insane :P [21:56] libdrm will build regardless though [21:57] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:57] are you sure it's not just a matter of updating driproto first? [21:57] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] rworkman, libdrm 2.4.15 and everything builds, git mesa and radeonhd [21:57] edman007, impossible, mesa depends on 2.4.16+ [21:58] unless your "git" = months ago [21:58] W|GGL|T (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:59] rworkman, from -current, I go libdrm update (build against 7.5.x at that point), update mesa, and then intel, which builds fine :/ [21:59] ok, does anyone know why after i edit my lilo.conf and then run /sbin/lilo and get added linux * and added win the changes still arent in effect? [22:00] nope, libdrm 2.4.15, mesa 09/01/2010, radeonhd 09/01/2010 [22:00] and its all running... [22:01] coldcog: what changes? [22:01] trying to make linux the default to boot and change the timeout to 30 seconds not 2 min [22:01] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:01] edman007, did you patch this out? "LIBDRM_RADEON_REQUIRED=2.4.17 [22:01] * means default [22:02] which only adds to my confusion... lol [22:02] coldcog: Are you sure you wrote lilo to the correct location? [22:02] coldcog: pastebin your lilo.conf? [22:02] cause when i reboot nothing has changed [22:02] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30AE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:03] thrice`, nope, i'll try building again, see what happens... [22:03] with latest git [22:03] edman007, I really dont' care, personally - just not sure you got the l33t radeon stuff going :> [22:03] one second ill pastbin lilo.conf [22:03] git R' done [22:04] thrice`, trem runs, ut2k4 runs (but is unplayable) [22:04] but the new trem does not run... [22:05] which card do you have, edman007 ? [22:05] 3870 [22:06] mm, is that r500? [22:06] I don't know what gives, but I'm telling you - I built libdrm-2.4.17 first (upgrade from 2.4.16), then I build mesa against it. Then xf86-video-intel-2.10.0 wouldn't build (I wish I'd noted the errors now, but they were libdrm-related). I rebuilt libdrm, and then intel driver built fine. [22:06] W|GGL|T (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-29-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:06] r600 [22:07] rworkman, ok, i'm building a chroot now :> [22:08] thrice`, ehh, it complains about dri2proto now... [22:08] thrice`: fwiw, my previous mesa was 7.6.x, x=1 iirc [22:09] but it says ok for libdrm [22:09] My whole system is latest Xorg, also fwiw. [22:10] ok here is my lilo.conf pastebin... [22:10] http://pastebin.ca/1751941 [22:10] rworkman, we don't have such luxury ;) [22:11] coldcog: what are you hoping to happen? [22:11] coldcog: what is the initial bootloader that takes over after the BIOS? [22:11] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.212) joined ##slackware. [22:11] linux be the first in the list to boot and have a 30 second timeout not 2 minute [22:12] You don't have another bootloader on your system? [22:12] no... i had ubuntu for a long time before i got on slackware, but when i reformatted with slack it put lilo on the mbr [22:12] Stare at line 7 until you find the problem. [22:13] yeah ya know i saw that as a problem [22:13] and changed it and nothing happened [22:13] so i changed it bacl [22:13] unchange it back [22:13] and run lilo. [22:14] and on line 36 it used to 1200 (or 2 min) and now its 300 and its still at 2 min... [22:14] and run lilo [22:14] Do I need to say it again? [22:14] so im inclined to believe none of my changes are taking affect [22:14] I do. [22:14] :) [22:14] Hi rworkman ;) [22:15] ola [22:15] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:16] what should it be set to? [22:17] /boot/vmlinuz? [22:19] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [22:21] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:21] cause it was defaulted at /dev/sda1 which is windows, and now its at /dev/sda5 which is linux but apparently wrong [22:21] but still works to boot somehow haha [22:21] laters, sleepytime for me! [22:21] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left irc: "Leaving." [22:24] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [22:25] ok im trying /boot/vmlinuz! [22:25] anyone disagree? lol [22:26] or am i going to ruin something and you guys are all just sitting there chucking to yourselves? lol [22:26] did you run lilo after changing things? [22:27] all the other times yes [22:27] i havnt made this change yet... [22:27] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-33-30-247.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:28] after i ran it last i got Added linux * added win [22:28] sQuEE (n=narya@host131.190-30-14.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [22:28] ok rworkman: fresh chroot of -currnet - http://pastebin.ca/1751961 [22:29] coldcog: you can reinstall lilo by liloconfig... [22:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:31] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:31] its really to that point? [22:32] do you think? [22:32] i dont think. [22:33] pupit: *poof* ? [22:33] pupit: did you look at my lilo.conf pastebin? [22:34] paste it again [22:34] let me find it.. [22:34] http://pastebin.ca/1751941 [22:36] macavity, are you on 64-bit? I have packages now :> [22:37] coldcog, as someone pointed out to you much earlier, line 7 should be /dev/sda [22:38] woudlnt that be windows though? [22:38] no [22:38] coldcog: It is not changeing because your lilo.conf is jacked up and you are writeing the bootloader a superblock. [22:38] I don't know what the "table = /dev/sda" does [22:39] that doesnt sound like good news... lol [22:39] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [22:40] coldcog, its best for you to listen rworkman, stare at the line 7 [22:40] yeah i know line 7 is wrong.. but now matter waht i change it to nothing happens [22:41] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] same with line 36 cause when i change it and run /sbin/lilo my timeout is still 2 min [22:41] and that should change regardless of line 7 right? [22:41] coldcog: "rworkman: and run lilo." [22:41] ok ill br right back [22:42] thanks guys [22:42] np [22:42] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:43] I wonder what they put in the water in utah. [22:44] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:249) joined ##slackware. [22:48] slackguru (n=trimmer@71-213-235-63.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] thanks guys you are all geniuses :) [22:50] slackguru (n=trimmer@71.213.235.63) joined ##slackware. [22:51] sorry for being a pain in the ass, it just drives me crazy when i dont understand something haha [22:52] well, just be sure you understand why it was failing before, and why it works now :) [22:52] ok geniuses, I'm having an issue with freenx. anyone familiar with it? [22:52] well its still confusing but im relieved at least [22:52] I'd appreciate any help with freenx. :) [22:52] and the reason its confusing is cause i had it set this way once before and it didnt work [22:52] but did this time [22:53] and also i dont know why linux is dev/sda when it says windows is... but im sure ill figure it out in due time [22:54] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] so im happy :) [22:54] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:54] thrice`: nope, still on 32 [22:55] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:56] coldcog: /dev/sda is the whole hard disk. linux is on the first partition on the extended partition=sda5 and windows is on the first primary partition=sda1 [22:57] that makes sense [22:57] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [22:58] other than exactly how linux is on the first partition cause windows was on here first, but the point is it works so im ok lol [22:59] coldcog: you aren't used to read what is written... that's a problem.. [23:00] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] i just dont totally understand it all [23:01] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:02] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:05] ok, ssh question. I copied freenx provided id_dsa file to ~/.ssh. then ssh nx@ asks for a password. [23:06] that means the keys were generated that way, correct? [23:08] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.14.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:08] yea [23:09] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-117-188.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.212) left irc: "Leaving." [23:11] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:11] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.212) joined ##slackware. [23:18] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:20] dive: do you copy all those files you gave me to each directory? [23:20] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.212) left irc: "Leaving." [23:20] agentc0re, yep [23:21] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] gotcha. thought so. did you make a script to do it? [23:21] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [23:22] initially I used a small bash script to generate an expect script [23:22] then used ftp+expect [23:22] but now I do it manually since I don't have to add much [23:23] you could do it just as fast with gtfpt no doubt [23:23] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:23] er gftp [23:23] which reminds me there's a new pidgin out [23:24] I will update sometime soon [23:25] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.212) joined ##slackware. [23:25] which image viewing program do you guys use? [23:25] gqview mostly [23:25] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:26] none :-( they all stink [23:26] gqview [23:26] yep [23:27] oh hey cool, gqview doesn't start up kded4 ? [23:27] oh [23:27] this isn't even qt app [23:27] 8))) this is cool [23:27] heh. [23:27] oh, maybe what i'm thinking is gwenview or something [23:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] i always have to run: killall -9 kdeinit4 klauncher kded4 [23:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:29] freenx - deleted. [23:32] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] pidgin 2.6.5 compiling - will put up a build when it's done if anyone wants to test it out [23:34] fhobia: that's fun. [23:34] so I have a user nx. I run 'passwd nx' and specify password. [23:35] should I not be able to ssh nx@ with blank pass? [23:36] slackwarebob, this a local network? (I hope) [23:36] dive: same machine. [23:37] you want to ssh into the same box? [23:37] dive: I just want to verify the setup. [23:37] ok [23:37] ultimately it's a freenx user which will need to ssh in using nx without pass [23:38] slackwarebob, did you set 'PermitEmptyPasswords yes' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? [23:39] 0c:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) [23:39] working perfectly. time to build an AP [23:39] dive: done, trying it another time. [23:39] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-156-113.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:40] heya,folks [23:40] morning [23:40] Mornin',dive [23:40] dive: that worked. :) thanks. [23:40] slackwarebob, np but make sure that the box isn't reachable from internet [23:41] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:41] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:43] dive: no, it isn't. :) but also it's becoming a little educational. I'm learning something new about ssh and key based authentication. [23:43] yeah keys are good :-) [23:44] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:44] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:44] my extent of ssh use has been limited to ssh guy@server to admin remote. [23:44] but now I'm learning learning new stuff. [23:45] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:45] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:47] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-33-30-247.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:48] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:49] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:50] ok folks, pidgin 2.6.5 slackbuild is here: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/13.0/pidgin-2.6.5 [23:51] pidgin? I recently learned it's a bastardized pigeon. [23:51] huh? [23:51] I used to think it is pid-gin [23:51] ah [23:52] I was talking to someone saying pid-gin, and they kept saying pigeon. [23:53] tok tok lang taim...:)...http://www.june29.com/HLP/lang/pidgin.html [23:54] what does 2.6.5 have that 2.6.3 doesnt? [23:56] voice and video stuff? [23:56] it deos have that althouth I think 2.6.3 had v&v [23:56] there seem to be some improvements [23:57] im on 2.6.3 right now but i havnt really messed with it enough to know what is has and doesnt yet... [23:57] coldcog: here, read the changelog: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ChangeLog :P [23:57] the only annoying thing I've found is that you can no longer specify a size for conversation font (not outgoing message font) [23:58] needs investigating [23:58] Sherlock :D [23:58] good deal i was wondering if there was a changelog on the site pasted earlier [23:59] loking at it now,coldcog http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ChangeLog [23:59] looking* [23:59] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:59] mostly fixes for stuff eh? [00:00] --- Fri Jan 15 2010