[00:00] =D [00:00] cya later guys [00:00] tyvm for your assistance [00:00] it's all in /etc/rc.d [00:00] well, getting it running anyhow. [00:01] agentc0re1: I googled timecube symposium and have found much more info than I ever wanted to know... [00:01] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:04] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-216-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:05] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] nbuonanno (n=nbuonann@cpe-74-67-15-46.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:07] i installed slackware-current, but when i try to install yakuake, i have this error, kde-config not found ! [00:07] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:07] of course, i did locate kde-config, i got nothing [00:07] i googled , but the solutions don't suit to me [00:07] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl11-182-216.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:08] guess what [00:08] what ? [00:08] :) [00:08] SBo is not setup for kde4 yet which means some programs haven't been ported [00:08] damn it ! [00:08] anything not smart enough to find kde4-config yet is probably not ready..or there is a newer version. [00:08] paissad_, are you sure yakuake works on kde4 ? [00:08] paissad, have you tried tilda ??? [00:08] i retreived yakuake.SlackBuild from SBo [00:09] and yes it does Thom1 [00:09] paissad_: again, SBo is for 12.2 [00:09] paissad_: There is a kde4 version of yakuake. yakuake.kde.org and follow the link for it. [00:09] i like tilda even more than yakuake paissad [00:09] Thom1, not really sure for that [00:09] antiwire, i got it :-) [00:09] paissad_, it does, I just saw it, and mrselfpwn tells me [00:09] mrselfpwn, i heard about tilda, but dunno if it's better that yakuake : [00:10] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:10] fire|bird, thanks [00:10] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:10] i have used both and _to me_ tilda is much more versatile [00:10] and less bloated [00:10] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/tilda/ [00:10] paissad_: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153 <---yakuake [00:10] mrselfpwn, i will try it [00:10] paissad_: be sure to get the kde4 one [00:11] fire|bird, ok [00:11] yeah, it's small anyway [00:11] thanks [00:12] yeah, i tried out yakuake and it seemed sluggish to me [00:13] check this out for fast boot fire|bird [00:13] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYZ0bOndtA8 [00:14] mrselfpwn: ok [00:15] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:15] mrselfpwn: whoa. :P [00:16] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left ##slackware. [00:16] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:18] XD [00:18] would be cool if we could add that to ours [00:18] bbiab [00:18] mrselfpwn: yeah, no kidding. [00:18] mrselfpwn, yeah that's nice [00:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [00:19] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:19] I rebooted with the DVD and fscked '/,' but when I restarted a few minutes ago the system still thinks '/' is full [00:20] ping fire|bird [00:21] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-110-141.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Ooh, I think I know what's happening. [00:24] dchmelik: ^ [00:24] dchmelik: do this: "umount /root" then "du -sh /root" :) [00:25] If I unmount root I will lose the home directory for my non-root user [00:25] and then my client will probably halt [00:25] but my /root is not on my '/' partition [00:26] I guess I will try it [00:26] .. your .. non-root user has a home dir under /root? [00:26] yes :3 [00:26] I'm a little confused here [00:26] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.159.217.243) joined ##slackware. [00:26] how does a non root user have a home directory under /root/ ? [00:26] non-root user's should have a home directory under /home or /var/home [00:27] Action: chopp looks for the whacked out copy of slackbook that dchmelik read [00:27] lol [00:27] I will try it temporarily... I will just write that all down on the console [00:27] I want whatever dchmelik was smoking when he created this setup [00:27] I don't. [00:28] been watching this conversation since it started, and could keep quite no longer. :P [00:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [00:28] Larry's smart. [00:28] oh my I've receive a full ab workout today courtesy of IRC [00:28] haha [00:28] http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/ [00:28] There's some more. [00:29] Warning: that's a time sink. [00:29] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-23-63-230.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] mrselfpwn: pong. :P [00:30] hey [00:30] :) [00:30] in the append option at the top in lilo [00:30] add [00:30] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [00:31] fastboot=1 [00:31] i found that somewhere, haven't tried it yet though [00:31] I will have to go now so I can try this. Apparently /root is busy. [00:31] lol [00:31] i would imagine so dchmelik [00:31] night all [00:31] gtl: good night. [00:32] later gtl [00:32] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [00:33] so when it asked for user directory after running add user he said /root/dchmelik ? [00:34] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:34] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-173-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] hey firebird. i came across this randomly, though. is this you? [00:35] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/kernel-mode-setting-on-slack-current-736017/ [00:35] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009246225.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:36] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:37] Good night. Good news about our 13th? [00:37] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [00:39] mrselfpwn: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/boot-time-slackware-and-debian-644762/ <--look at post #6. [00:40] k_wolf: When it's ready. :) However, -current is in 13rc1 status, so, getting closer. [00:40] neo8848 (n=standard@203.177.172.188) joined ##slackware. [00:40] y0 chopp [00:40] lol [00:40] Jason decided to start killing on Monday the 13th [00:41] greetings fire|bird :) [00:41] chopp: how's it going? [00:41] neo8848 (n=standard@203.177.172.188) left ##slackware. [00:42] not so bad..watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU [00:42] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.209) left irc: Connection timed out [00:42] "(313): her vagina probably looks like a grenade went off in a deli" [00:42] this site is so gnarly [00:43] antiwire: lol [00:43] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-134.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:43] weird [00:44] fire|bird, that post brings up a good question. I noticed this takes about 5 seconds. Do you think we can add these lines to our rc.gtk-stuff file? [00:44] http://pastebin.com/m60c1ae59 [00:44] and comment them out of rc.M [00:44] mrselfpwn: not sure. [00:48] Action: acidchild defaces mrselfpwn [00:49] hey acidchild [00:49] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.159.217.243) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:50] duly noted [00:50] how can i install things from a dvd of slackware? [00:51] installpkg [00:52] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-216-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:52] is there a simple window manager i can install by this mean? [00:52] fluxbox [00:52] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Where is the actual ISO for slackware 64-bit? [00:53] Thom1, tyvm [00:54] one last question [00:54] Neo_The_User, ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/slackware64-current-14_Jul_2009-DVD.iso [00:54] someone recommended xmonad [00:54] should i go for that? [00:54] i like xmonad [00:55] you're the one that recommended it i think [00:55] xD [00:55] find or create a slackbuild to create a package, then install it [00:55] read the documentation. it's actually quite intuitive. [00:56] i would recommend adding xmobar [00:57] give you a nice little task bar for system monitoring and daemons or whatever you like [00:58] it's a text based status bar [00:58] brb [00:58] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [00:59] look here and have a look at the screenshots also; http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Config_archive/John_Goerzen%27s_Configuration [00:59] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-192.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:00] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] hey guys, how do i install xfce instead of kde? [01:01] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:01] fresh install Neo_The_User? [01:01] Neo_The_User, rtfm [01:01] user05439 (n=dsgjkls@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:01] Neo_The_User, installpkg, removepkg [01:01] ah [01:01] Neo_The_User: Did you do a full install? [01:01] Neo_The_User: if you did, you already have xfce [01:02] you just need to run xwmconfig [01:02] ahh [01:02] and choose it [01:02] k this channel pwns [01:02] thanks all [01:02] yes, and remove kde and kdei files [01:02] ...you dont need to remove the kde files [01:02] I like having them because you might want to run kde aps sometimes [01:02] well "need" isnt the word [01:02] exactly [01:02] k thank you all! [01:03] well, yeah, you can keep them if you like to have all the kde apps in xfce as well [01:03] I think there should be a slackware Openarena server [01:03] 1 more thing, is slack good for xorg developers? [01:03] i agree antiwire [01:03] Slack is good for everything [01:03] we could take out our aggression on bots wearing barney skins [01:03] ...rather, anything you want it to be good for [01:03] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:03] lmao, that would be awesome [01:04] barney skins ftw [01:04] eviljames: LOL, Gene Ray proposed his own birthday as the date for the "Symposium". [01:06] I unmounted root and then did 'su -sh /root' [01:06] town (n=town@ppp-70-133-172-95.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] I mean 'du -sh /root' [01:06] it just said /root is 4.0 Kb [01:07] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@Wikimedia/Neo-The-User) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:07] how about du -h [01:07] giuppy (n=giuppy@host48-251-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:07] I will try that [01:07] err [01:07] no [01:07] greetings all [01:08] df -h [01:08] after unmounting /root or not? [01:08] does anyone else have any problem with kde -current losing X when chvt [01:08] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) joined ##slackware. [01:09] df still says '/' is full [01:09] but it is not [01:09] / is different than /root [01:10] I will have to leave to unmount it again. my client's config is in /root. [01:10] / = your root but /root = your root USER's directory. [01:10] cadmium (n=mike@58.65.159.166) joined ##slackware. [01:11] antiwire: Dude, i can't explain how awesome this movie/show or whatever you wanna call it is. [01:11] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [01:11] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:12] agentc0re1: I just finished downloading it to a file. I'm going to watch it before I go to bed [01:12] agentc0re1: I just finished it myself. I agree, it is amazing. [01:12] what show is that? [01:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU# [01:13] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [01:13] chopp: I am glad you watched it, gives me someone else to talk about this stuff with :D. It just forces you to think outside of the box when watching it. [01:13] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.116.44) joined ##slackware. [01:13] I am totally glad i downloaded it to file. [01:13] redtricy2le (n=redtricy@32.152.116.44) joined ##slackware. [01:13] *watches* [01:13] Probably will post it on my site. [01:13] I watched it, then just saved it from /tmp [01:14] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [01:15] I feel more guilty now for all my years in the oilpatch :P [01:15] I'll DVDify it [01:15] muahahah [01:15] ok, my /root partition has 38Gb on it [01:15] nice scenic shots [01:15] antiwire: what do you use for downloading it? [01:15] but '/' has nothing on its '/root.' [01:15] my mother in law would go ape shit if she saw this [01:16] I use download helper plugin for FF, lets me snag flash videos [01:16] Thom1 (n=Thom1@79.84.233.51) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [01:16] chopp: I used FF flash video downloader addon [01:16] dchmelik [01:16] chopp: Can most able guys get a job in the oil fields? [01:16] antiwire: yup alright, I've used it [01:16] what does it say when you type mount ? [01:17] /dev/sda8 on /root type ext3 (rw) ... and all my other partitions [01:17] antiwire: My friend worked in an oil field here in utah. [01:17] and the/sys and /proc I mean [01:17] 'the /sys' [01:17] shitty ass work, almost got his limbs cut off once. [01:18] antiwire: yes, but most people quit shortly there after. It's not an environment that most people will like. [01:18] needless to say, he doesn't work those kinds of jobs anymore. [01:18] We have offshore platforms here. I'm tempted. [01:18] what is the / mounted to ? [01:18] /dev/sda1 is mounted on '/' [01:18] wait [01:19] it says /dev/root [01:19] that is funny [01:19] my fstab should have made it /dev/sda1 [01:19] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-109-54.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:19] antiwire: that would be a better experiance than the rough assed alberta rigs. TAKE it if you get the chance. [01:19] yes [01:20] fire|bird (n=quassel@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:20] in fact, [01:20] /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,barrier=1,data=ordered) [01:20] :( [01:20] :) [01:20] I'm on a Kubuntu live cd. :( :( [01:20] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] chopp: I mentioned the idea of going out to be a rigpig to my cousin in Alberta and she flipped out on me. [01:20] oh, krikey [01:21] what' [01:21] happened? [01:21] antiwire: rigpig? [01:21] chopp: she started waving her arms and yelling things [01:21] mrselfpwn: Starting sysklogd daemons Can't create temporary cache file Read only Filesystem. :( [01:21] was it something we did? [01:21] antiwire: haha...she's known a rig hand or three I take it ;) [01:22] mrselfpwn: I don't think so, but something sure as heck happened. [01:22] lol [01:22] mrselfpwn: so do you know why my mount is showing something funny for '/?' [01:22] it won't friggen boot now. It's stuck at that. [01:22] not sure though i see that on livecd's a lot dchmelik [01:22] I am not running a CD [01:22] what do you have set in lilo.conf? [01:23] it is /dev/sda1 I think [01:23] that question is for both of you heh [01:23] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] mrselfpwn: just compact, I forgot to run lilo after adding firstboot=1. :| [01:23] yeah, I just checked and I was right [01:23] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] I can chmod into slack and check things out, correct? [01:24] err, chroot [01:24] chopp: HAHA that huge tanker had "NO SMOKING" writen on it. [01:24] chroot [01:24] yes fire|bird [01:24] make sure the fastboot=1 option is in the append line [01:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:24] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [01:24] compact should be on a line of it's own [01:24] mrselfpwn: yeah. chroot /dev/device_here, right? [01:25] no [01:25] mrselfpwn: whoops, what do I use then. [01:25] who were you telling to do these lilo options? [01:25] mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 or similar [01:25] and chroot /mnt/sda1 [01:25] oh yeah. whoops. :P [01:25] mount device to /penis. chroot /penis [01:25] not you dchmelik [01:25] agentc0re1: yeah I chuckled at that myself. :) [01:26] umount /penis && mount /penicillin [01:27] umount /dev/penis /root/girlsbutt [01:27] lol [01:27] lol [01:27] or sorry, mount [01:27] sorry device is busy [01:27] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:27] chown /root/girlsbutt mrselfpwn:mrselfpwn] [01:27] haha [01:27] thought it was chown blah:blah /root/girlsbutt [01:28] ls -la /dev/antiwire/butt [01:28] yeah, that's what I meant. lol [01:28] jorge jorge [01:28] owned by someone named jorge [01:28] my lilo.conf does have /dev/sda1.... [01:28] talk && touch && unzip && finger && mount && fsck && umount && cd /home [01:28] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:28] what about grep? [01:29] what is the problem you are encountering dchmelik? [01:29] my '/' seems full but it should not be, and it seems mounted wrong [01:29] && whois [01:29] and it keeps filling up more [01:30] that is strange [01:30] this movie is just a big guilt trip [01:30] mrselfpwn: alright, I'm in lilo.conf now. :P [01:30] dchmelik: did you cleanly format to ext4 or upgrade an ext3 FS to ext4? [01:30] okay [01:30] I cleanly formatted [01:30] clear [01:30] oops [01:30] k [01:30] at least I think I did [01:31] I certainly did not do any sort of upgrade [01:31] how many partitions did you set up dchmelik and what for? [01:31] unless you mean I might have reinstalled and forgot to format it and set it ext4 [01:32] I think I have 6 partitions: '/,' '/gnu,' '/usr.' '/usr/gnu,' /root,' /swap.' [01:32] I mean one was '/gnu/usr' [01:32] but I do not use those two right now [01:32] dchmelik: No, what i meant was; Did you upgrade from ext3 to ext4 or cleanly format fresh to ext4 [01:33] I am pretty sure I cleanly formatted, but I did not check for bad sectors [01:33] I installed 12.2-current from DVD [01:33] so I guess I had to re-format [01:34] mrselfpwn: ARGH, I'm not finding anything that would have caused this. [01:34] exit out of lilo and run lilo -t -v [01:35] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:35] mrselfpwn: ok, anything else? [01:35] did it give any errors? [01:36] if no errors just go ahead and run lilo [01:36] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [01:36] mrselfpwn: just: Fatal: open /boot/slack.bmp: No such file or directory, but I expect that, I don't have that mounted right now. Should I mount it? [01:36] oh [01:36] type mount /boot [01:36] yes mount it [01:37] M00nRoXr (n=name@pool-72-68-116-114.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] ok, done. [01:37] dchmelik, what does df -h give you? [01:38] anything else I should check? [01:38] that would cause this error? [01:38] this is one line it gives me: /dev/root 3.9G 3.9G 0 100% / [01:38] not sure, was there anything else you changed before reboot fire|bird? [01:38] which is not true due to the files [01:38] mrselfpwn: no [01:38] unless someone left out something when they had me do 'du.' [01:39] okay [01:39] what does ls -lh /dev/root give you dchmelik? [01:40] Well, I'll go try booting again. bbiab [01:40] okay [01:40] gl [01:40] heh, thanks. I need it. :P [01:40] :D [01:40] fire|bird (n=quassel@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [01:41] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-07-13 21:56 /dev/root -> sda1 [01:41] it looks ok [01:41] yes [01:42] I wonder if this is some kind of ext4 problem, but I think I have seen it on ext3.... [01:42] I am pretty sure I have seen it happen before. [01:42] because it was when mysqld says it runs out of space and then keeps trying to restart [01:43] it's strange because it says you have 3.9G and 3.9G used [01:43] also though [01:43] when you do du -h [01:44] it's not showing your mount /usr partition is it? [01:44] user05439 (n=dsgjkls@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] I'm not wading through scrollback, but... did you try what I said? [01:44] mrselfpwn: I do not know, because I would have to give it some arguments or it is going to show everything on all partitions [01:45] i meant df -h [01:45] dchmelik: pastebin the output of "mount" [01:45] actually, /dev/sda6 42G 4.7G 35G 12% /usr [01:45] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:45] mhmm [01:46] I can pretty much promise you that I nailed it earlier. I'm almost sure. [01:46] Let's pretend for a moment. I ahve /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. Both are 4G partitions. With me so far? [01:46] yes.... [01:47] I do this: "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp ; mkdir /mnt/tmp/stuff" [01:47] antiwire: Did You finish your download yet? [01:47] I'm applying at Chevron right now [01:47] lol, awesome! [01:47] I then proceed to fille /mnt/tmp/stuff until the 4G partition is almost full. THEN I do this: "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/tmp/stuff" [01:47] antiwire: \o/ [01:47] lol [01:47] josefig (i=1000@200.92.181.181) joined ##slackware. [01:48] hello, in what section is located the FUSE module at the menu from menu config in the kernel configuration? [01:48] rworkman: like when you had me unmount /root and check /root on '/'? Well I did that and the /root on '/' had nothing in it. [01:48] Follow me? /dev/sda1 is damn near full, even though /mnt/tmp/* (except for the *old* /mnt/tmp/stuff, which is now covered up by the *new* /mnt/tmp/stuff) is empty. [01:48] antiwire: I've got a few stories that would blow your mind...oh wait, then you wouldn't go [01:48] dchmelik: yes, like that. Check other places. It's damn near *got* to be osmething like that. [01:49] If not, then I'm just wrong. :) [01:49] I still do not quite understand [01:49] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Success [01:49] basically it's fubar [01:49] like I cannot mount a 40Gb partition on a directory in '/' unless '/' is also over 40Gb? [01:49] dchmelik: do "mount" and note everything that's a separate paritition. Unmount ALL of them and check the mountpoints for stuff [01:50] why is it mounting these, is it his fstab? [01:50] chopp: I'd still go. I've been a computer/networking type of guy but I've always loved the hazardous job idea. The closest I've come to a hazardous job was working on a desert ranch while I was doing my school time. [01:50] dchmelik: no, no, no. When you mount to /somedir, you mount to /somedir -- whatever is in /somedir on the devices is now covered up by what you mounted to it. [01:50] That was hazardous but not like this [01:50] but I have nothing on the folders in '/' where I mount stuff [01:51] I set them up that way at installation [01:51] dchmelik: double check. [01:51] I don't know what else this could be. [01:52] I just checked /root, but I am not sure how to check /usr... I guess I will have to reboot with the DVD [01:52] and then mount it there and check [01:52] I still do not see how anything could be there [01:52] the term "mount stuff" is loose, and what he is saying is you can't just mount stuff on top of other stuff [01:52] I know... I never do that [01:52] unless I was crazy one day or something [01:53] chopp: I know I can do this stuff, and most likely I'd be assigned to something technology related, like GPS, system support, lab work, quality control..things like that [01:53] like if /usr was messed up... but what I have there would not fit on /usr in '/' anyway [01:53] dchmelik [01:53] antiwire: actually an offshore platform would not be so bad to work on. They are deep wells, and the pace would very much different. If you use your head, like I know you can, you won't get hurt. [01:53] pastebin your output from the mount command [01:53] antiwire: oh, even better [01:54] dchmelik: the point is this: boot the system in single-user mode, login as root, and make sure the *only* disk partition mounted is the one that / is one. Then check "df -h" output and such and go from there. [01:54] chopp: I don't have high hopes in being hired by them but I'd have no chance if I didn't at least apply lol [01:54] http://pastebin.com/d6a6568bb [01:55] antiwire: check into "mwd" [01:55] I guess I will try what you say next, rworkman [01:55] see [01:55] 20% of the worlds population consumes 80% of its resources.... WOW.... If that is true, ..Ummm. Wheres my steak? ;) :P [01:55] mrselfpwn: I am not sure there is much point in checking the output of my 'mount.' [01:55] you say you are not using /gnu/usr [01:55] so unmount them [01:55] ok [01:55] umount /dev/sda7 [01:55] I have already done that [01:56] umount /gnu [01:56] umount /gnu/usr [01:56] I did both [01:56] now [01:56] I have a dumb question but i don't know pretty much about kernel configuration, the vesa boot support is to set the resolution showd in the console ? [01:56] what is the output of df -h ? [01:56] antiwire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_while_drilling [01:57] df shows the same thing [01:57] then umount /root [01:57] I did that a few minutes ago [01:57] there was nothing in it [01:57] chopp: That's the type of stuff I'm interested in. [01:57] dchmelik: After you figure this out I think you should look into LVM...or whatever, just don't do a layout like that again!!! [01:58] josefig: I think VESA boot support is for using a VESA video card [01:58] a layout like what? [01:58] i suggest doing what rworkman says also. boot into single user mode [01:58] dchmelik: LVM could make your setup much more administrator friendly [01:58] ok [01:58] antiwire: you would be good at it. Interested in some big bucks? Go for it. [01:59] I login and type telinit 1, right? [01:59] antiwire: you just have to put up with the redneck directional drillers like myself. :P [01:59] lol not an issue [01:59] if you do it from start hit tab at startup and add single after whatever your boot label is [01:59] I'll just become a redneck too [02:00] if you are doing it from boot up [02:00] tab at lilo screen [02:00] Linux single [02:00] last time I did that it seemed there was a short time you had to hit tab [02:01] antiwire: might as well check this out while you're at it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_drilling [02:01] you can change that in /etc/lilo.conf [02:02] prompt should be uncommented and [02:02] set timout = 100 for 10 seconds before it loads the kernel automatically [02:02] chopp: that directional drilling reminds me of the movie 'there will be blood' [02:02] it is uncommented and I have a long timeout... okay... [02:02] chopp: i drink your milk shake [02:02] antiwire: haha [02:03] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-178-134.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:05] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [02:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:10] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [02:12] fire|bird (n=quassel@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:13] ARGH, still the same error. [02:13] chopp, antiwire, that whole show makes me want to vomit and try to do something good that will benefit all. Very well played out video. [02:13] agentc0re1: I'm jumping in the shower and then I'm firing it up [02:13] There is something we can do to stop corporate america though. [02:13] agentc0re1: intense stuff hey [02:14] antiwire wow.. [02:14] antiwire: we've gotta talk after this then. So the quicker you watch the quicker we can debate about the whole issue. [02:14] pretty straight up [02:14] you're gonna jump in the shower and fire IT up [02:14] jeev: wanna come with me? [02:14] jeev: STFU and GTFO [02:14] no [02:14] lol [02:14] do you take pictures of ryan secrest in with you [02:14] jeev: laminated. [02:14] lol what a sick response [02:15] jeev: I hope you've added my non work user name to your "fag list".. really lessons the change of discussion i have with you. [02:16] for some reason he doesn't put me on his fag list. I think he likes me [02:17] chopp: it really is. The kind of stuff that makes you want to be the next Einstein of development. Or other things. expandability. I dunno there's more things to cover, but i think you get my drift. [02:18] fire|bird (n=quassel@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [02:19] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-109-54.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [02:19] agentc0re1: oh I most certainly do. It sure the hell woke me up to some problems I wasn't even aware of. More people should see this. [02:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:19] ping rworkman [02:19] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] I do not think I want to do a single-user login [02:19] I would rather reinstall [02:20] chopp: I personally feel that the only way that most everyone one of us is going to "wake up" is through some horrifying drastic moment in life. [02:20] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-23-63-230.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] chopp: this video is nearly a second in that moment. [02:20] josefig (i=1000@200.92.181.181) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [02:22] agentc0re1: yes, I also agree to that. There are many influential/official people that are aware of each and every one of these problems, but do nothing. [02:23] So at what point do we call BS and do something about it? [02:23] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:24] i dunno.. lately i've felt like i've needed to do more in that area. I'm no hippy mind you, but fuck... there are a lot of things we need to change. [02:24] most people are in it for the $$$$. and as long as they aren't losing too much, they don't care. [02:24] antiwire: you can't take an offshore position...we must protest [02:25] Hey I can always join Greenpeace and stand in front of the Japanese whaling ships [02:25] I'm down [02:25] agentc0re1: that is really the problem alright. $$$$ [02:25] i fscking hate $$$$$ [02:25] I'll do IT on the GreanPeace ships [02:25] Green* [02:26] SUITS... [02:26] antiwire: you will be blown away by that vid [02:26] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.114.154.1.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "choo-wak-kaa-pling" [02:26] i work in a medical clinic. I deal with doctors wanting more money all day. [02:26] fire|bird (n=quassel@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:27] They recently wanted a bonus because "THEY DESERVED IT!!!" \0/ [02:27] so they took half of the profit share and directed it towards themselves. [02:27] their "bonus" [02:27] before I watch it I'll say this; I already have a pretty fscked up point of view on Earth and our position and place in the universe. [02:28] antiwire: I think that before this, i would say that i share your opinion about this Earth and Universe. [02:28] This is a great vid! [02:28] you turds [02:28] that's not greenpeace [02:28] greenpeace and those turds aren't on good terms [02:28] mrselfpwn: ping [02:28] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [02:29] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [02:29] I think we are a piece of a spec of dust in the scheme of things and lately I have been wondering when more people will realize how insignificant our little sand grain of a planet really is when you look through hubble. [02:29] antiwire, tell that to americans [02:30] they think they're gods gift to the universe [02:30] our human time frame is silly compared to stars [02:30] and the right wing penis sucking morons who think they're so smart but get jacked by politicians and other right wing rich-turds [02:31] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.167) joined ##slackware. [02:31] interesting discussion today [02:31] :> [02:31] Hey slava_dp [02:31] good morning [02:31] Hi rg3 [02:32] morning fire|bird :) [02:33] antiwire: I know what you are referring to. We are so very, very, very small in the eyes of hubble. a single square ft of hubble could be billions of light years aware for us in any direction with life possible in any direction. [02:33] yet, all we are about is us.. and us meaning myself and my self meaning i don't care if anyone else lives but me... [02:34] that's the mentality i've taken on that the majority has about life. I myself don't carry that mentality though. [02:34] user05439 (n=dsgjkls@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:36] I feel that technology increases that the "demand" of newer tech increases. This is why i support the OSS movement. Others like it will keep us moving. [02:37] josefig (i=1000@200.92.85.160) joined ##slackware. [02:37] tell that to americans.. WOW, thats a really naive thing to say. [02:37] jeev: Don't you live in America? [02:38] Is there a way to omit the broadcasting at the startup and later do it manually? [02:39] i mean, i dont want slack to broadcast eth0 and wlan0 at startup, i want to log in and do it manually most of the times i get online by wireless, that's why. [02:39] Broadcasting of what? [02:40] fire|bird, morning - same error? [02:40] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [02:41] agentc0re1, you got me? [02:41] josefig: It's going to do that during boot up. try to connect to the closest wifi. YOU will have to change those settings on your own. [02:41] josefig: I dunno, are you on a size 12 hook? ;) [02:42] agentc0re1, i know, but where? [02:42] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:44] good lord. Your eth0 and wlan0 aren't going to say, "hey chinamen, come hax0r me now!!" when they connect to the tubes of the Internet. [02:44] You're natted out, right? [02:44] josefig: are you using the stock networking scripts or some addon suite like wicd? [02:45] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [02:45] chopp: where on this earth do you live? [02:45] antiwire, no, my question is that i desperate when i wait for the dhcp broadcasting for eth0 at startup i want to skip it. [02:45] ... [02:45] josefig: are you using the stock networking scripts or some addon suite like wicd? [02:46] antiwire, no [02:46] josefig, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [02:46] ok i give up [02:46] 12 x home brew = tooooo many... :P [02:46] holy crap..that vid is 218M with flash video downloader, and 791M straight from /tmp [02:46] :D [02:47] change the lines like 'USE_DHCP="yes"' to 'USE_DHCP=""' [02:47] chopp: flash video downloader gave me over 400MB [02:47] chopp: yeah my 218MB pull is shit [02:47] agentc0re1: really? wtf [02:47] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [02:47] dive, thank you so much. [02:47] chopp are you on the america side of this world? [02:48] now im happy, i get my wireless card working, new kernel, everything is fine now, some googled websites but it's ok :) let's get out for some beers [02:48] Ya it gave me a 419MB download for video. [02:48] agentc0re1: Alberta, Canada [02:48] josefig, you might want to install wicd to connect manually, it's pretty god [02:48] s/god/good/ [02:48] antiwire: yeah mine is crap too [02:48] chopp: Shit, me you and antiwire are close enough to start a world revolution!!! [02:48] dive, i don't know how to do it but i can google :P [02:49] I'm certain they'll send the national guard [02:49] josefig, wicd is on the dvd in /extra [02:49] antiwire: BS. [02:49] lol [02:49] agentc0re1: as antiwire said earlier, "I'm down" :) [02:49] josefig, or use the slackware package browser and downlad it [02:49] I'm a Marine. I can take out the entire national guard. :D [02:49] yep, i found it, thx [02:50] fscking puddle pirates anyways. [02:50] haha [02:50] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [02:51] what i do now is nothing what i did in the Marines. I was in the Infantry if that gives any clues to what i did. I was in 2000-2004. Guess, and i am sure you'll get it right. [02:51] which is the unimportant part. [02:51] chopp: We need to find away to make everyone aware. [02:52] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [02:52] agentc0re1: well I plan on burning quite a few copies of this [02:53] LOL [02:53] I don't burn for very long though :P [02:53] I'll DVDify the 700MB cached version [02:53] fire|bird pong [02:54] antiwire: I'm getting fiber tomorrow :D :D [02:54] antiwire: since you're allready setup for this, you mind sharing the ready for dvd copy when you're done? [02:54] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-176-12.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] crappy thing is it's limited. 20/5 [02:54] mrselfpwn: same issue. nothing seems to help. [02:54] chopp: yep i will [02:55] antiwire: ok cool [02:55] fire|bird, have you tried reading /var/log/dmesg to see why it boots in ro? [02:55] what is the error again? [02:55] dive: hadn't yet. I'm on a live cd atm and backing some stuff up, just in case. [02:56] I also should probably admit that a very tiny and highly suppressed part of my mind kinda, sorta, maybe wishes the space rock comes sooner than later... [02:56] ok [02:56] but now i'll watch this [02:56] i love rock candy [02:56] I'm watching it again myself [02:57] dive: backup's only at 4% :( [02:57] fire|bird [02:57] what is the error you are getting again? [02:57] fire|bird: you having disk problems? [02:57] mrselfpwn: whoops, sorry. :P [02:57] chopp: slack won't start. [02:58] name_ (n=name@pool-71-127-238-152.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] chopp: where in Canada do you live? [02:58] mrselfpwn: It hangs at Starting sysklogd daemon. Can't create temporary cache file. Read Only Filesystem. [02:58] agentc0re1: what part of Alberta didn't you understand? ;) [02:58] mrselfpwn: the file is ld-something. I can't remember what the file was. [02:59] chopp: apparently all of it. :P [02:59] did you try and boot into single user mode? [02:59] the part where i am double visioned and way drunk :D [02:59] oh, close to Edmonton chopp? [02:59] agentc0re1: now you're acting like me [03:00] mrselfpwn: not yet, just getting stuff backed up in the off chance, it all goes to heck. [03:00] which part didn't you think i understood!!?!?!!! noob! :P [03:00] well, [03:00] maybe you accidently deleted something in lilo.conf while editing it [03:00] mrselfpwn: close = in [03:00] I doubt it. [03:00] mrselfpwn: I don't think so by looking at it. [03:00] ah, i have a friend up there [03:01] mrselfpwn: When backup's done, I have an entire backup of /etc. :) [03:01] mrselfpwn: sucks to be him/her :P [03:01] take out the speedboot fastboot and compact [03:01] Ugh, this backup's gonna take a while. [03:01] 5.4G out of 75G [03:01] penelope (n=d5a40442@hamster.eventualis.org) joined ##slackware. [03:01] well [03:01] fire|bird: how did this come about? [03:01] Has there ever been a slackware "meeting" ? [03:01] fire|bird, /etc is 75G??? [03:02] dive: no, /home [03:02] i don't think it's as serious as you think. it's probably quite recoverable [03:02] ah [03:02] Action: agentc0re1 farts [03:02] weee!! [03:02] :D [03:02] hehe [03:02] mrselfpwn: oh yes, I'm positive it is. I'm just very cautious. :P [03:02] did you make any major upgrades to any software before you rebooted? [03:02] nobody light a match, ##slackware will go up in smoke. [03:02] mrselfpwn: no [03:02] no updates at all [03:02] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [03:03] fire|bird: init[1] sais he can fix it for you :P [03:03] everyone ignores my " is there a slackware meeting" comment but as soon as i "fart" someone pays attention! [03:03] when i patch my kernel i don't have to do a make mrproper do i before i configure it ? [03:03] dive: It wouldn't be quite as bad, but I have a ton in ~/.fluxbox. :P [03:03] hehe [03:03] o_O [03:04] 0o [03:04] ... [03:04] there are a few of us that need to get together to p.a.r.t.WHY?! cuz we are nerds! :P [03:04] agentc0re1, find a local lug [03:05] I found one some time ago but never been to a meet yet [03:05] What is the best way to update the kernel config after a patch? [03:05] Just run make menuconf or do i need to make mrproper [03:05] i found a local lug is seems to be a fork of a lug that didn't seem to be so cool but the newer fork lug seems better [03:06] I plan to attend, and ingest valium so I don't explode [03:06] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-176-12.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:06] the local lug here are ubuntu masters [03:06] yep [03:06] that's what I'm afraid of [03:06] M00nRoXr (n=name@pool-72-68-116-114.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:07] .retteb smees gul krof rewen eht tub looc os eb ot mees t'ndid taht gul a fo krof a eb ot smees si gul lacol a dnuof i :eriwitna [03:07] dive 39.8MB just for ~/.fluxbox [03:07] dive: same here. [03:07] fire|bird: what about those recent backups? [03:08] dive: i know of a couple.. but have never gone. [03:08] fire|bird, o0 [03:08] chopp: got them all, I was just, atm, backup up to the external hdd the stuff that's changed since the last backup. [03:08] fire|bird, lot of backgrounds? [03:08] dive: no, just all of tenner's (tenr.de) styles. [03:09] ah [03:09] If I'd have been smart, I'd have left that dir out. [03:09] antiwire: which LUG? [03:09] antiwire: are you South or North of CA? [03:09] what would happen if I cancel this? it's backup up to the external hdd. It's on ~/.fluxbox, would that be the only one just messed up? [03:09] agentc0re1: so cal [03:09] bah, now it's in ~/.local [03:10] I didn't think to leave dirs like that out. :( [03:10] antiwire: see, we would have gotten along great if i would have stayed in the MC> [03:11] Action: agentc0re1 is tired. [03:11] thanks god, now i'm really happy :D [03:11] ~/local doesn't count fire|bird! [03:12] agentc0re1: doesn't count? :P [03:12] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [03:12] seriously though, what would happen if I just cancelled this while it's on ~/.local? [03:13] From what I can tell, the local lug people use a mix of distributions including FC11, Gentoo, Debian and Ubuntu and when I told them I use Slackware they seemed receptive [03:13] cool [03:14] heh, oh well, I cancelled. I have an idea to fix this mess. [03:14] fire|bird, how are you backing up? cp? [03:14] dive: yeah, I was. :) [03:15] well no matter now [03:15] They meet on saturdays and I'm usually out in the middle of no where dancing with the wild life on the weekends [03:15] dive: All my other data is fine, so, it went well. :P [03:15] fire|bird, I would mount / and read /var/log/dmesg [03:15] dive: ok. [03:15] fire|bird: You're mom can't count! :P [03:16] who said she could? [03:16] :D [03:16] and if lilo was the only thing you changed then undo the changes perhaps [03:16] Your... dad? :P [03:16] Action: chopp e-mails fire|bird's mom [03:16] agentc0re1: he's deceased. [03:16] dive: no errors in /var/log/dmesg [03:16] hey just curious , what is total size of 13rc1 on DVD ? just want to calculate how long would it take to reach here [03:16] Yey!!! he's giving back to the earth! :D [03:17] Action: agentc0re1 doesn't known his dad [03:17] I could be the next jesus! :D [03:17] except i drink too much. [03:17] crucify him!! [03:17] haha [03:17] oh crap [03:17] Action: agentc0re1 runs [03:17] anyone interested in imagining the 10 dimension: http://www.break.com/index/how-to-imagine-the-tenth-dimension.html [03:18] yeah you didn't think that through did ya? :P [03:18] agentc0re1: oh man, the whole world would go to heck. :P [03:18] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.167) left irc: Success [03:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-204.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:19] mrselfpwn: WTF.. 10 dimension's? you know that there are only 4 time cube zones right? http://timecube.com\ [03:19] fire|bird: You mean, HELL?!? :P [03:19] agentc0re1: heh, yeah. :) [03:19] agentc0re1: I'm almost there atm, I'm on a Kubuntu Live CD. [03:20] I'm doing the "apple bob" right now on my keyboard but barely missing the keys.. Thank god!!! [03:20] WTF! [03:20] Action: chopp whacks fire|bird with an frozen eel [03:20] 'OMFGGTFOK [03:20] Action: agentc0re1 pulls out the eel canon [03:20] Action: agentc0re1 aims at fire|bird [03:20] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.5) joined ##slackware. [03:20] NO, don't SHOOT. [03:21] Action: agentc0re1 watches chopp pee in the canon [03:21] Action: agentc0re1 aims ready for fire!!! [03:21] Ugh, he would have had to have a big gulp too, wouldn't he. :( [03:21] KABOOOOOM!!!!!!! [03:21] I don't pee from my ass [03:21] lol [03:21] chopp: you do in this episode! [03:21] ok ok [03:22] hahahaha [03:22] whoops, you missed. [03:22] Oh man, the neighbor's dog isn't happy. [03:22] agentc0re1: he's gunnin for ya. [03:23] Action: agentc0re1 watches as fire|bird is hit from chopp's combined effort with mine to immobilize him and it works.. He's stuck puking his brains out. :P [03:23] BS! i saw, we hit you dead on! [03:23] Action: fire|bird deploys predator drones to agentc0re1's house. [03:23] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Wheeeee!"). [03:23] one fire|bird, one cup [03:23] AH CRAP. [03:23] Target aquired! Now drink. [03:24] I just messed up. :( [03:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.63) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:24] Is there a package I can reinstall to get a fresh /etc/rc.d? [03:25] You didn't back it up first? [03:25] Nick change: init[1] -> init[1]|znc [03:25] fire|bird: you're not serious [03:25] fire|bird: i'm the chocolate "ice cream" shop you "don't wanna stop".. if you know whata i mean'a.. [03:25] CHING CHONG! [03:25] :P [03:26] chopp: I plead the 5th [03:28] you have no 5th. :P [03:28] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [03:29] Action: agentc0re1 steals the 5th beer from fire|bird [03:29] agentc0re1: I don't drink, that was root beer. :) [03:29] no more carbonated water for you biotch!!! :P [03:29] lol [03:30] :D [03:30] you really don't drink ? [03:30] no [03:30] why? [03:30] ever, no alcohol? [03:30] I choose not to. [03:30] nope, never. [03:31] penelope (n=d5a40442@hamster.eventualis.org) left ##slackware. [03:31] where do you live? [03:32] Minnesota [03:33] i live in UTAH!!.... W...T...F... [03:33] Land of 10,000 lakes, and, eh, nix_chix0r. [03:34] wells she's scriewed. [03:34] screwed. [03:35] haha [03:35] Action: agentc0re1 is seeing double [03:35] wee!!! [03:35] better than triple [03:35] unless you were looking at a hot girl. ;) [03:35] that makes for a cheaper threesome [03:35] lol [03:36] fire|bird: You're not a hot girl? [03:36] agentc0re1: no [03:36] i'm only 25 minutes into that video and I already know the answer. [03:36] .45 caliber aspirin [03:36] crap, noob farm moment approaching! :P [03:36] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:36] agentc0re1: why, you gonna fart again? [03:37] antiwire: true that [03:37] asprin?!?! MOTRIN! [03:37] fire|bird: maybe.. P [03:37] Action: fire|bird gets a flamethrower. [03:38] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CD6DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] Action: agentc0re1 replaces fire|bird's flamethrower power with an empty tnak [03:39] wahoo flamethrower! [03:39] Action: fire|bird gets into his tank and drives towards agentc0re1 [03:39] Action: agentc0re1 pees on fire|bird [03:40] that was the tank tread you idiot. :) [03:40] HAHAHAH i have been drinking turpentine!!! [03:40] wow, you really can't see. :P [03:40] see.. what's that? [03:40] like the ocean? ;) [03:41] hahahaha [03:42] josefig (i=1000@200.92.85.160) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:47] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:47] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-134.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-17-53.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:49] So I accedentally messed up the partition table on one of my hard drives using DD but I still have access to all the files right now because it is still mounted from before, is there anyway to fix it.. [03:50] backup immediately and try to fix it after that [03:51] fire|bird (n=quassel@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [03:51] I dont have the space to on any hd thats currently plugged in [03:51] shit [03:52] so as soon as its unmounted the data will be lost? [03:53] dunno [03:53] that's what the backup is for [03:53] I accedentally push my middle mouse button over the terminal and a DD command thing was highlighted that just destroyed my hd lol [03:54] lol wut [03:54] lolwut: now you know why you don't have a root term open for no good reason [03:54] well it was open for a reason but not that one [03:54] fuck me lol [03:54] because you will accidentally the whole thing [03:55] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [03:55] i just wanted to go to sleep now i have to figure out wth to do [03:59] lolwut: It's hindsight at this point but you should look at su and sudo [03:59] that could have prevented this [03:59] well i had su'd to root [03:59] temporarrly [03:59] i cant spell [04:00] i've been using su -c lately [04:00] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [04:00] so i have to enter a password each time for critical commands [04:00] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:01] I always have a root shell open, but I only go into it when necessary. [04:01] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Can you repair the partition table, reconstruct it with cfdisk? [04:02] lolwut: if it makes you feel any better, I'd be willing to bet that everyone in here has had at least one mayhem causing stray root term command go down [04:02] I was trying to but i have no clue where the different partitions were [04:02] 200gb down the drain if i cant figure this out lol [04:03] Oh that sucks. hmm, maybe /proc/partitions can help [04:03] putting 32gb on one of my flash drives lol [04:03] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.35.218) joined ##slackware. [04:04] mby ill just slowly copy everything over to my incomplete netbook install in 32g chunks [04:04] and hope that my computer doesnt need to be restarted for some reason [04:05] using fdisk if i find out the exact size of the partitions can put the lables back on will it work? [04:05] should [04:05] I've recovered partitions that way [04:06] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [04:06] is there an easy way to get an exact size for a mounted partition? [04:07] so my proc partitions looks like this [04:07] 8 0 199148544 sda [04:07] 8 1 83886080 sda1 [04:07] 8 2 115259392 sda2 [04:07] how is that possible? [04:08] what do you mean? [04:08] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] that looks fine to me [04:08] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.5) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:09] well the drive is only 200gigs, and the first partition fills that up [04:09] that's not a partition [04:09] oh [04:09] that is the block device itself [04:09] this is way over my head, shit [04:10] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.116.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:10] I think sda1 is 83886080 blocks (probably 1KB) and sda2 is the rest [04:10] so sda1 and sda2 were the mount points for the two partitions on that drive [04:11] mount points? [04:11] redtricy2le (n=redtricy@32.152.116.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:11] sda1 and sad2 *are* the partitions. you had those mounted some where on the system [04:11] sda2* [04:11] thats what i mean [04:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:12] so sda is the drive as a whole? [04:13] yes, it's the underlying device [04:13] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [04:13] so somehow i still have access to all the info stored on that drive, i think because it is still mounted from before, is there anyway to just delete what was written to sda [04:14] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) joined ##slackware. [04:17] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.89.200) joined ##slackware. [04:19] Hi all, I've accidentally removed my rc.inet1.conf. In which package resides said file? thx [04:20] pvn, network-scripts iirc [04:21] pvn, in n/ [04:22] pvn, you have two ways to check that. 1) grep rc.inet1.conf /var/log/packages/* 2) slackpkg search rc.inet1.conf [04:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423357.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:23] Superbe [04:23] I grep'ed in /var/log but not long enough ;-) [04:23] didn't know about slackpkg's search ability [04:24] thx very much slava_dp [04:24] you're welcome, pvn :) [04:24] should absolutely read the man page of it :-) [04:24] (as always, I gues...) [04:25] guess... [04:26] how would i convert blocks to a size recognized by fdisk? like into mb's or cylindars [04:27] cylinders [04:27] svqyqb (n=svqyqb@p508DB049.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa [04:27] svqyqb (n=svqyqb@p508DB049.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:27] that was fast [04:28] channel spam i guess [04:33] doesnt require a brain to know that :P [04:33] Hey, when I installed slackware it asked if I wanted the console utf_8 support and I chose No (the safe option). how would i go about enabling it now? [04:33] looks german [04:34] alisonken1noc, did you ever get lilo working correctly? [04:35] not on the silmech pseudo raid :) [04:35] ahh [04:35] to bad [04:35] haven't given up yet - need to check if recompiling lilo will help (and verify raid config option is enabled) [04:35] but that's for another time [04:36] when I go home in the morning, have a dental appointment (just what I need just before I go to bed :) [04:38] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [04:39] lol [04:39] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:39] yeah another headache. [04:39] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) joined ##slackware. [04:41] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [04:41] mrselfpwn, utf8 consoles are enabled in lilo.conf -> read the comments. [04:42] yes, i just discovered that [04:42] i was actually wondering if i needed to remove the line until i saw the =0 part [04:42] but you will need a unicode font to actually use utf8 on the console. [04:42] so i will just turn it on [04:43] does utf8 effect kms ? [04:43] Kernel Modesetting of video device. [04:43] why should it? [04:44] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:45] When the Kernel first load i see some very large text until i loads the video module from my initrd. I want to get rid of that and make it seamless [04:45] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) joined ##slackware. [04:46] will the utf_8 allow me to do that is my question or is that just something I have to put up with? [04:47] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [04:49] lolwut, that is why I suggested cfdisk -- it does the unit conversion. [04:49] 'u' [04:49] rob0, it gives me a fatal error and wont run [04:50] read the man page, I think you need -z [04:53] but how do i know if it is set right, there isnt anywhere to enter blocks or even view how many the partition is [04:56] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:59] so if the second partition is a few blocks bigger will it still work? [05:00] building with bent nails [05:00] we're fallin but holdin [05:00] i don't wanna take up any more of your time [05:00] =) [05:00] mrselfpwn (i=1000@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [05:01] mrselfpwn (i=1000@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [05:02] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Hello! [05:04] HI [05:05] dmhelpme (n=dmhelpme@host232-48-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:07] hi [05:07] uva (i=bno@118-160-174-128.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] ping fire|bird [05:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:08] building 2.6.30.1 [05:09] disabled intelfb completely, going full kms [05:11] mrselfpwn, so you're on intel too. how's it in -current? [05:12] seems to be working well [05:13] i'm suprised, i'm getting decent fps in enemy territory with settings on high. [05:13] and i'm on a netbook. [05:13] gcc / cc help pagage dependence ? [05:14] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [05:14] i don't know if it was truly using kms before though because i still had intel_fb in the kernel as a module. [05:14] dmhelpme, install the whole d/ and you'll be fine. [05:14] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:15] i will surely know now [05:15] mrselfpwn, tell us when you find out [05:15] will do [05:16] what does this warning mean when building the modules? Aside from the obvious. warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size [05:17] kernel programmers know what they are doing better than gcc. [05:17] heh [05:18] well said [05:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.35.218) left irc: Success [05:19] Anything that doesn't stop a compile can usually be ignored safely [05:20] and you safely get segfaults later [05:20] yes, and I haven't seen any warning on any of the hardware modules i'm actually using anyway [05:20] yes lol [05:21] i'm hoping to get my kernel below 2 meg again eventually [05:21] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:21] less than 2 megs? i can't manage to get it that low [05:22] usually 2.5 megs [05:22] yeah, mine is at 2.4 currently [05:22] slackmag1c (n=magician@pool-173-57-58-121.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:23] though i think on this netbook i might have a chance because of the lack of expandability [05:23] uname -M 2.5 MBytes [05:23] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [05:24] i used to know though have forgotten. do you know how to find out the PHY the ethernet nic is using? [05:25] Does it really matter? [05:25] to me it does [05:25] you mean the mac? [05:25] slava_dp: nah, the physical layer transceiver chip [05:26] erm.... ok..... [05:26] mrselfpwn: use the blinkenlight utility found on the net? [05:27] this is the mac anyway :-) ifconfig -a eth0 | head -1 | cut -d" " -f 11 [05:28] parsing command output is fun (though absolutely not portable) [05:28] The MAC and PHY used to be seperate, then they were integrated and then seperated again to reduce costs in certain situations (you can do the MAC stuff in software but you still need a PHY to actually connect to anything) [05:30] i only want to know to disable the ones i'm not using [05:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-40.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:31] but more importantly because I used to know how to find out [05:32] I would have thought that the PHY would be transparent to the underlying OS when it's connected to it's own hardware MAC [05:34] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:34] pri4pus, wazzup? :) [05:36] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.102) joined ##slackware. [05:37] usr (n=usr@189.115.231.97.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[05:59] i have a problem for installed yakuake for kde4 [06:00] i downloaded the latest version [06:00] but i see no ./configure, make or any file to execute in order to install the software [06:00] can someone help me ? [06:01] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.107) joined ##slackware. [06:01] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.211.162) joined ##slackware. [06:02] _Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=Elektro@77.27.254.204) joined ##slackware. [06:03] no one ? [06:04] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:05] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [06:05] paissad, strange [06:05] Nick change: _Elektro_{-_-}_ -> Elektro_{-_-}_ [06:05] Thom1, did you see the package ? [06:06] paissad_, yep... and I don't understand how to compile it [06:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:10] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:10] looks like it uses cmake rather than standard configure/make [06:11] paissad, did you try tilda? [06:11] notice the CMakeLIsts.txt file and look into cmake [06:11] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) joined ##slackware. [06:11] paissad_: ^^^^ [06:12] mrselfpwn, i tried tilda, it seems to be faster, but i prefer yakuake [06:12] okay [06:12] alisonken1noc, ok , thx [06:15] paissad, there is a prebuilt package in the slacky repo [06:15] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:15] http://dogbert.no-root.org/slackware-12.2/utilities/yakuake/2.8.1/ [06:16] that's the 2.8 [06:16] ah [06:16] i talk about 2.9 [06:16] what's the latest? [06:16] i see [06:16] it's different, check it, you gonna see [06:16] well [06:17] you could download his slack build and just change the version [06:17] it's in the source directory under that link i gave you [06:18] replace 2.8.1 with 2.9 in SlackBuild [06:18] and watch it failing :-) [06:19] i see now, they changed the build method? [06:20] Action: mrselfpwn just looked at the log. [06:22] okay done with the new build [06:22] gonna reboot and test it [06:22] mrselfpwn (i=1000@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [06:23] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:24] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] i did it guys ! [06:25] here is a slackbuild for yakuake latest version http://pastebin.fr/5100 [06:26] paissad_: in your oppinin, why is yakuake better than tilda? [06:33] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:34] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:36] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [06:42] my question is why is tilda and yakuake any more [06:42] "special" than any other terminal emu ? [06:44] Action: slava_dp also wonders [06:45] dtanner : any other terminal that i can think of doesn't have the 'auto hide' option, and it cannot be brought back with a single button [06:46] additionaly, yakuake can be 'resurected' on any desktop [06:46] ananke: yeah, that is the only thing i noticed when i was reading about some of the features [06:46] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.55.221) joined ##slackware. [06:46] as in, no matter what number desktop you're on, you get the same yakuake terminal/terminals [06:46] ananke: oh that is nice too. so kind of like a "screen-like" ability? [06:47] dtanner : yep. simply press F11, and there it is - your yakuake [06:47] hmm don't quite understand how that is different form brining any terminal from say desktop-1 to desktop-2 [06:47] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:48] dtanner : convenience. you don't have to worry about doing it manually, or figuring out how to make that terminal appear on all desktops at the same time [06:48] other than it is not a one key press , but it is only one click away [06:48] i see [06:48] thanks [06:48] paissad (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:49] which do ytou use ananke .. yakuake or tilda? [06:49] dtanner: except when you're on multiple screens but no xinerama [06:49] and some people like to trigger auto hide on changed focus. move a mouse away - it disappears. [06:49] you* [06:49] dtanner : i use yakuake, never really investigated tilda [06:51] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.139.59) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:51] Action: slava_dp will install yakuake on his suse tonight :-) [06:51] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [06:51] i have been using roxterm lately. it is feature packed and easy to configure. [06:53] another reason i never looked at tilda is simple: it's not part of the standard repos on suse :) [06:53] i used rxvt and xterm for many years and i went through a aterm phase. i still love all three [06:53] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:53] probably aterm is still my favorite of all (now there is a fork called materm thast supports tabbing) [06:54] _FlyBacK_[Safe_V (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:54] Nick change: _FlyBacK_[Safe_V -> GATT0 [06:55] i think i started using aterm because it was one i could get borderless and transparency [06:56] seems that back in the day aterm was the only one that i could get borderless and trans without depending on anything frmo the wm/de [06:56] hello [06:58] eduardo (n=unknown@174.37.193.182-static.reverse.softlayer.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:58] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [07:01] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423357.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:04] legendulo (n=rpj@92.85.211.162) joined ##slackware. [07:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423357.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:06] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:08] help me install nvida drive log full info error http://pastebin.com/m62b185eb [07:08] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [07:08] well, the ksm on my intel card seems to be working well [07:09] i noticed about 4-5 increase in fps overall though some slow down in certain areas (falling snow for instance) [07:10] graphics in the virtual terminal work with links -g [07:11] and terminal switching is fast [07:11] help me! [07:14] dmhelpme: Have you read the README? [07:14] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] http://it.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.20/README/index.html [07:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.29.227) joined ##slackware. [07:17] the page help me ? for error ? [07:17] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.200.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [07:17] what is your problem dmhelpme? [07:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.211.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:21] dmhelpme: At the end of the log file you will find a pointer. [07:21] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:22] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [07:22] my probel error install nvida driver [07:22] dmhelpme: Are trying to install that with X running> [07:22] dmhelpme: Are you trying to install that with X server running? [07:23] http://pastebin.com/m62b185eb [07:23] no install no x running [07:23] console mode [07:25] I am trying to figure it out but you may try also #nvidia channel. [07:26] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.220.239) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. 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[08:07] use the /media/cdrom0/extra/linux-2.6.27.7-nosmp-sdk [08:07] patch for resolve the this problem [08:07] work ok [08:07] tanks all [08:10] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:10] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Zozma (n=Winter@d3-182.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:12] return_zero (n=zero@h15.63.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1ff) joined ##slackware. [08:16] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:18] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:21] Zozma (n=Winter@d3-182.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:23] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:24] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:24] stunix (n=stian@77.16.44.237.tmi.telenormobil.no) joined ##slackware. [08:25] help nvidia driver xorg no run black screen freezes [08:26] help! [08:26] do you see an nvidia logo when you start xorg? [08:27] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [08:28] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:28] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [08:28] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] what nvidia card are you using? Do you have the correct driver? and did you install the kernel module as well? [08:31] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [08:34] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:37] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [08:39] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) left irc: "Leaving" [08:43] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.107) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [08:45] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [08:45] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [08:45] morning all [08:48] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [08:49] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-664ba42d9aa89a8c) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:49] Action: slava_dp just had a thought. i would be a pain to use vi on a dvorak keyboard =] [08:49] slava_dp: remap the keys [08:49] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-b8d8e6fdcb89c86f) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.29.227) left irc: "Leaving" [08:52] .oO( remap keys ?! These guys are totally nuts ) [08:52] and to think ppl call me geek for using us layout on pt keyboards [08:53] uh, as slackware users i thought insanity was sort of a given... [08:53] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:54] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:54] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [08:56] indeed, but there's a boundary between insanity and mental illness [08:56] indeed [08:57] you forgot to compare "insanity, mental illness, and slackers" [08:57] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1ff) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:57] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1ff) joined ##slackware. [08:57] and remapping the entire keyboard may cross that line just a little... [09:00] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:02] stunix (n=stian@77.16.44.237.tmi.telenormobil.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:04] stunix (n=stian@77.16.44.237.tmi.telenormobil.no) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1ff) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:05] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1ff) joined ##slackware. [09:06] I realize that to all the true slackers, a snazzy Desktop is not that important, but i am just a user and i have to say: I am really digging this KDE 4 thing [09:09] no, remapping vim mapping to other keys [09:09] esc, etc [09:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.29.227) joined ##slackware. [09:12] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:12] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:12] scubacuda__ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:13] "true slackers"? you mean 7ru3 5|4c>|3r5, right? :D [09:13] argh.. [09:13] that hurts my head just trying to read that [09:13] ns [09:13] :D [09:13] now that was funny [09:13] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] Camarade_Tux: you installed Slack64 right? do you have fonts.dir and fonts.scale files in / [09:17] ? [09:17] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:17] sahko: directly in / ? :o [09:17] yea [09:17] sahko: nope [09:17] hmm [09:17] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest22115 [09:17] thought so. the only additional i install is terminus [09:17] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.76.83) joined ##slackware. [09:18] lemme check the doinst.sh [09:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck [09:19] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.220) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:19] mnrtg (n=omg@c7C4345C1.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [09:19] hi guys [09:19] yo mnrtg [09:19] i'm trying to install 12.2, but the installer doesn't seem to recognize my S-ATA CD-ROM [09:19] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Action: Camarade_Tux read "mnrtg" as "mrtg" first, gasp [09:20] maybe /dev/sr0? [09:20] mnrtg: a sata cdrom? I haven't seen many [09:20] I tried mounting manually, but running "mount /dev/sr0 /src" returns "mount: No such file or directory" [09:20] did you check dmesg? [09:21] mnrtg: what does lsscsi return? [09:22] normally that should be /dev/hda not /dev/sr0 afaik [09:22] he said it was a sata drive though [09:22] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:22] my normal ide dvd-rom is /dev/sr0. [09:22] Camarade_Tux: that the name of the device is /dev/scd0 (which is the same as sr0 I believe) [09:22] using either; the CD starts spinning, but then mount returns the error [09:23] or am i wrong. must be wrong. forget it. [09:23] mnrtg: then check dmesg [09:23] goofeedude (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Camarade_Tux: dmesg just returns error messages stating that the CDROM is not using FAT, VFS or GFS2 [09:24] goofeedude (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:24] FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors [09:24] mnrtg: bah [09:24] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev loop0 [09:25] it should auto-detect iso9660 [09:25] mnrtg: do you correctly see the dvd in an already installed OS? (may it be windows or linux or even mac) [09:25] I guess the problem is the sata cdrom.. do I have to disable/enable some features in the bios? [09:25] s/or even mac/(or even mac?)/ [09:26] mnrtg: you can use : 'mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /mnt' [09:26] Camarade_Tux: well, it boots fine from the BIOS, and I am able to access the slackware installer [09:26] maybe that it doesn't try to use iso9660 if it's on sata since it's uncommon [09:27] Camarade_Tux: I tried that as well, but now mount returns "frong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0" [09:28] then perhaps the iso is bad? [09:28] didn't have any problems using my sata cd drive [09:28] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] mnrtg: does it mount correctly on an already installed OS? [09:28] it may boot correctly even though there is a problem with the iso (filesystem) [09:29] hi, my wicd client does not start because of some dbus problem on slackware-current just updated [09:29] the so called "Network Manager" (GUI) [09:29] Camarade_Tux: yes. it mounts fine on a cdrom using ide [09:30] kr_eten: that has already been mentionned and iirc there is a readme somewhere under /usr/doc/wicd you should read [09:30] return_zero (n=zero@h15.63.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:30] (assuming you're using 13) [09:31] 13? [09:31] mnrtg: you might try slackware13rc1, it has a more recent kernel [09:31] kr_eten: slackware13rc1 [09:31] kr_eten: but you still might want to check the readme in /usr/doc/wicd [09:31] well it is current i know for no 13rc1 [09:32] i am reading it now [09:32] thanks [09:32] kr_eten: you have to add your user to the netdev group [09:32] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.72.199.2) joined ##slackware. [09:32] you might wanna read the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT too, if you just upgraded [09:33] sahko i will [09:37] no such file in /usr/doc/wicd-1.6.1/ [09:37] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:37] and Camarade_Tux README in this dir says nothing about my problem :) [09:37] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: "leaving" [09:37] sahko you mean the file for upgrading... [09:38] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@masterarms.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:38] sorry i did not understand this at first. i am keeping my slack at current and did not change the repository to 13rc1 [09:39] kr_eten: -current is currently 13rc1 ;) [09:39] i am not sure what is the difference between current and 13rc1 at this point (if any) [09:39] mplayer, firefox, qt [09:40] well that is what i have just upgraded using slackpkg [09:40] and apparently wicd :) [09:41] u should login again. brb [09:41] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:41] weird... my problem fixed itself after I rebooted [09:42] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [09:42] $ groups [09:42] users wheel audio video cdrom plugdev netdev scanner ceco [09:42] adding myself to netdev did not solve the problem [09:44] there should be a /usr/doc/wicd-1.6.1/README.SLACKWARE [09:45] you probably need to restar dbus after as well [09:46] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:46] you might as well go for a complete reboot [09:46] i have restarted the PC (after upgrade before adding myself to the group) [09:46] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Nick change: Guest22115 -> sidmario [09:47] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:48] mnrtg (n=omg@c7C4345C1.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: "leaving" [09:49] drol_ (n=andrew@144.38.70.37) joined ##slackware. [09:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:53] welanx1 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:56] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [09:56] wicd gui is working fine now. thanks all! [09:57] i do not like very much the fact that one should restart his PC for DBUS to find out that the groups have changed [09:58] You could have just done "/etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload" instead of rebooting... [09:58] well last time this did not work too as i remember [09:59] maybe i should have tested it again this time [09:59] anyway thanks and have a nice time :) [10:00] You would also have to quit X (if you had done the upgrade from within X), logoff and logon again [10:00] i did this but did not restarted the dbus [10:01] did not restart* [10:03] is there someone here that managed to run psi with voice enabled? [10:03] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] welanX (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:12] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.55.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:12] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [10:13] hello [10:13] i want to setup a slackware mirror and i'm guessing rsync is the proper way to keep it up to date. however, all the mirrors i see on slackware.com are ftp and http mirrors [10:14] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.88.52) joined ##slackware. [10:14] amazon10x: there are rsync mirrors too [10:14] oh, misread, sorry [10:15] oh, i just checked the rsync port of slackware.mirrors.tds.net and it is open [10:15] what flags should i use for rsync? [10:15] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:15] the ones in man rsync [10:15] i knew someone would say that :P [10:16] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] do i have to do anything special if i use aliens usb slackware installer with slackware-current instead of slackware 12.2? cuz i tried the same steps with current that worked with 12.2 and i get some weird ebios error when booting from usb [10:18] rsync -va --progress is good [10:18] you can --exclude some stuff if you want too [10:18] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [10:18] i_is_cat_: try using the usbimg2disk.sh instead [10:18] the .img didnt work for me as well [10:18] I need to use the usbimg2disk.sh too to make a vfat [10:18] vfat partition * [10:18] okay, -avz and --progress looks good. i'm only going to mirror like 3 of these versions so i'll probably just grab them individually instead of --excluding [10:18] thrice! [10:18] comrad! [10:19] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:19] dr nick! [10:19] hi jeev [10:19] Action: jeev got the new blackberry tour [10:19] sexy [10:19] ty i will try it [10:20] pretty sharp [10:21] oh those things are nice [10:22] welanx2 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] thanks thrice` [10:22] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:23] i got an 8900 curve and tour now [10:23] weird thing is im used to the 8900 curve which is on a gay/lame network with no reception smoetimes [10:25] am i not supposed to sync my mirror with ftp.slackware.com? [10:25] use osuosl, much faster [10:25] lets all yell NO together [10:26] slava_dp: link please [10:26] slackware.osuosl.org [10:26] thanks [10:27] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:27] amazon10x, it is important to spare his bandwidth for the big mirrors to sync up with him [10:28] isn't osuosl the master archive? [10:29] the usbimg2disk.sh thing keeps telling me that i need to specify a filesystem type [10:30] whois osuosl.org , it is oregon state univ [10:30] glxgears ... 236 frames in 5.2 seconds = 45.251 FPS ... 246 frames in 5.0 seconds = 49.188 FPS [10:31] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: [10:31] haldir, ohio i think [10:31] but you can go look [10:31] Admin Email:hostmaster@oregonstate.edu [10:31] haldir, there you go [10:31] usr (n=usr@189.115.231.97.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:31] 52193 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10438.510 FPS [10:32] poofo, pfft. [10:32] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:32] ;) [10:32] geforce 7600gt nothing 'new' [10:32] ;P [10:32] Action: hiptobecubic is using vesa because nothing else is working [10:32] hahah [10:32] just for clarification, im trying to get aliens usb installed to work with slack current, not the usb installer that comes with slack current.. [10:33] otherwise this intel integrated 8mb shared mem would smoke you [10:33] right. [10:33] ;DDDD [10:33] i_is_cat_, why? [10:34] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-81-105-71-192.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] because i have no cd drive and the network wont come up on the usb installer to install via nfs [10:35] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-81-105-71-192.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] and aliens usb installed includes the slackware packages just as if it were a cd [10:35] installer* [10:36] i_is_cat_, why don't you download the packages and use the regular one? [10:36] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [10:36] ? [10:36] i_is_cat_, download them manually? [10:36] i_is_cat_: you can use the usb installer and just download the packages yourself onto an external hdd, then mount that hdd and tell the installer where it's at [10:36] then just poing the installer at the drive [10:36] pont* [10:36] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [10:37] welanx1 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:38] hiptobecubic, the usb installer that im using takes the slackware packages that i've already downloaded and turns the usb stick basically into a dvd installer, i dont have an external hard drive to do that from [10:39] it works fine with slack 12.2 but when i try the same steps with current everything seems like it goes fine until i try to boot from the stick, thats when i get the weird ebios error [10:39] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [10:39] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.88.52) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:39] i_is_cat_, the -current won't book? [10:39] i_is_cat_: once you boot from the usb drive, you can take that usb drive out, reformat it, and dump the packages on it [10:39] boot( [10:39] Pa^3 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [10:40] that's my typical install routine for -current [10:40] i_is_cat_, or if you are using the bootloader from -current, you can put them all on there together. it doesn't wipe the drive [10:40] amazon10x, nope that doesnt work, tried it and it doesnt show packages [10:40] i managed to get it to show them twice but when i select them to install it says it finished the second i hit install [10:40] i_is_cat_: you didn't point it to the packages correctly [10:40] are you sure your packages aren't corrupt [10:40] so that method does not work [10:40] deftunix (n=deftunix@212.123.91.222) joined ##slackware. [10:40] i_is_cat_, i have some trouble sometimes getting it to see the packages. Tell it that it is a cd-rom drive and manually specify the path. then when it fails to mount tell it to ignore it and continue [10:41] it happens to me every time [10:41] deftunix (n=deftunix@212.123.91.222) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [10:41] yep i'm sure they're not corrupt, i will try that hiptobecubic [10:42] i usually just mount the drive, tell the installer to use a premounted directory, and it Just Works [10:42] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [10:42] i tried mounting the drive but it seems to unmount it when i run setup [10:42] i mount it after i run setup [10:42] amazon10x, it almost never works here. it always does what i_is_cat_ is describing. i have to do the fake cd workaround [10:42] alt+f2 will give you a new terminal [10:43] tried that too, thats when it shows the packages but says they're finished installing the second i hit the install button [10:43] i_is_cat_: maybe our usb drive is super super fast ;P [10:43] amazon10x, hehe i wish it was that fast [10:43] s/our/your* [10:43] i_is_cat_, try the failed cd-rom trick. Just walk through the menu in order from keyboard map on down [10:44] I do the same; I mkdir /install_from_me, and mount a usb-harddrive containing a slackware/ tree there [10:44] amazon10x: when using premounted directory, does it expect to find a slackware/ dir where you point it to, or does it expect to find the package series (a, ap, l, d, etcetera) [10:44] ? [10:44] seems to be not bad for a $15 4gb stick.. hiptobecubic i will try it out.. [10:45] ah, thrice` just gave me the answer [10:45] Ahhhh.... Uhhh... Gahhh... I am realizing now that i drank too much last night... :P [10:45] i wish i had another usb key to put the packages on, aliens usb installer is so much more convenient [10:46] eh, i've never had much of an issue. i leave a -current bootstick around for emergencies [10:46] the usbimg2disk.sh program made a 28mb partition on my stick and i just tried to add a new partition to it but all the sectors are full [10:46] that is lame [10:46] i_is_cat_: you can just alter the script to make two partitions [10:46] macavity: i can never remember so i try both until it works :P [10:46] i_is_cat_, you aren't using the one from current then [10:46] hiptobecubic, yep i am [10:47] amazon10x: according to thrice`s info there should always be a slackware/ (aka a package-tree) inside the dir you point it to [10:47] i_is_cat_, wipe the stick. put a giant vfat on it and run usbimg2disk.sh -i /usbimagewhatever.img -o /dev/sdbootstickwithnopartitionnumber [10:47] amazon10x: which makes sense, as that is how it works for CDROM/DVD drive paths too [10:47] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-216-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:47] lol how could i not be using the one from current when slackware 12.2 doesnt even have the usbimg2disk.sh program? [10:47] :P [10:48] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:48] such that you have slackware/a and slackware/n etc? [10:48] yes [10:48] i_is_cat_, are you using the image from current? [10:48] yep [10:49] you don't even need to wipe it, usbimg2disk.sh -f -i /path/to/usbboot.img -o /dev/ [10:49] i_is_cat_, don't know what to say. i've done it many times and have one sitting right here [10:49] thrice`, thats what i did [10:49] same, especially the one in -current . it works flawless everytime [10:50] hiptobecubic, it seems to have worked, its just cut the key down to only 28mb [10:50] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] good morning ##slackware [10:50] say, why the double #? [10:50] beatzz, because this is not an official channel [10:51] and that's some kind of convention apparently [10:51] because we're the official unofficial slackware channel, and it's freenodes policy. [10:51] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] if pat comes here, why doesn't he just make it #slackware? [10:51] (why does it matter?) :) [10:51] so is there a #slackware? [10:51] hello [10:51] beatzz: yes there is but it forwards you to here. [10:52] thrice`, ask freenode [10:52] was ever Pat here ? :) [10:52] hiptobecubic: because he want to deal with that shit? [10:52] no, I mean, why do you care? [10:52] poofo, yes, last night her was here [10:52] Pat was here yesterday :) [10:52] poofo: he occasionally makes an appearance. [10:52] thrice`, why does freenode care? [10:52] ;O [10:52] hiptobecubic: because they do. [10:52] wish to have even one word with him [10:52] ;D [10:52] beatzz: Yup, why don't you join us in there? [10:52] The Moon is Waning Gibbous (58% of Full) [10:53] agentc0re1, because BP{k} just told me it forwardss you to here... ;) [10:53] damm I could have sworn it was a full moon. [10:53] Action: macavity wishes for ntfs3g support in usbimg2disk.sh and the slackware installer for christmas [10:53] kkthxbai :P [10:53] eew [10:54] someone du -hs their slackware-current dir. is it 3.6G? [10:54] hiptobecubic, i tried doing what you said, make one big fat partition on the key then run the usbimg2disk.sh program and it kept the big partition [10:54] mine is about 400mb [10:54] thrice`: yours doesn't count :P [10:54] :O [10:54] :D [10:54] amazon10x: 3.6Gslackware-current/ [10:54] thrice`: what do you cut out? [10:54] BP{k}: thanks; just wanted to do a quick sanity check [10:54] thrice`: i have a 320GB USB disk formatted in nfts, and no-where to stick the data if i want to convert it to vfat [10:54] why do you use current? [10:55] amazon10x: alot :) [10:55] bug hunting? [10:55] Wizard: me? i see no reason not to; i like the latest packages [10:55] thrice`: .. oh wait, and i have files lager than 4GB on it.. but i would sure like to use it as an install media too [10:55] Wizard: because I can. Testing (even if seldom I find bugs), getting slackbuilds ready for 13.0/. [10:55] nah, i understand [10:55] Wizard, current is stable enough for everyday use. I just wouldn't run yahoo mail on it [10:55] some of ap/, d/, half of n/, most of xap/, and all of e/, f/, k/, kde/, kdei/, t/, tcl/ [10:56] hiptobecubic: you run yahoo mail? that's cool [10:56] on 12.2? [10:56] amazon10x, i didn't say i'd run yahoo mail on 12.2 either [10:56] thrice`: what wm/de do you use? [10:56] macavity: well, can't you resize and make a small vfat ? [10:56] hiptobecubic: man, i got all excited :P [10:56] amazon10x: xfce typically [10:56] long live gmail! [10:56] thrice`++ [10:56] thrice`: last time i checked parted did not support resizing ntfs [10:57] i'm about to deploy a server into production and i'm thinking about putting slack on it. i probably won't though because other people will take over admining it soon [10:57] thrice`: or any other tollerable peice of software that i have been able to find [10:57] amazon10x, osx :D [10:57] hiptobecubic: oh goodness [10:58] amazon10x: uncyclopedia says slackware has the best commercial support [10:58] Action: Wizard hides [10:58] macavity: man ntfsresize ;) [10:58] Wizard: yeah, i saw that the other day. it was lulz-inducing [10:58] Wizard, hehe [10:58] seriously though, is there a company that offers slack support? [10:58] Wizard: since -current is at 13rc1 everyone who does not outright technologically impaired, and anyone who does not need it for production, should be busy testing like a madman :P [10:58] amazon10x, it's called [10:58] 'localhost' [10:59] i mean, if i were to offer linux services to companies, i'd probably use slack just for the simplicity; but i'm wondering if anyone offers specifically support contracts for it [10:59] macavity: i would loose all release related magic [10:59] i wonder if pat has any companies for which he supports slack [10:59] pprkut: well shit on me?!? :P [10:59] dmhelpme (n=dmhelpme@host232-48-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [10:59] http://omploader.org/vMXowMA is my xfce from last night-ish [10:59] like downloading iso, reading 'upgrading', upgrading ;D [10:59] dtanner: btw, did your upgrade go well? [10:59] Wizard: i get that nearly everday from syncing to -current! [11:00] thrice`, do you use slackpkg? [11:00] macavity: heh [11:00] well, g'morning ##slackware. Anybody else hear about a firefox javascript vuln? [11:00] hiptobecubic: no, I just keep a tree in /home/ftp/ usually [11:00] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:00] eviljames: no but would be nice if you tell me about it [11:00] eviljames: nowai, a flaw in FF? [11:00] ;) [11:01] poofo: http://www.us-cert.gov/current/index.html#mozilla_firefox_3_5_vulnerability [11:01] amazon10x: :D [11:01] eviljames: damn [11:01] That's all I've found so far, but I'm digging [11:01] poofo: Indeed. [11:01] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) left ##slackware. [11:01] pprkut: i belive that [g]parted has outdated man/info pages (or else they actually havent implemented calling ntfsresize yet) [11:01] http://wstaw.org/images/free/2009/07/14/62d1bc4d1a3be8c629909deaa1d547.png [11:02] my xfce configured about 10 minutes ago) [11:02] eviljames: hmm [11:02] eviljames: post results of research please [11:02] thrice`: arbitrary code execution in the way javascript is processed - that doesn't sound good. [11:02] eviljames: just wait 3 hours and this will be all over slashdot :P [11:02] amazon10x: Whatever I find, I'll keep the info coming. [11:02] macavity: you mean 3 days. [11:02] haha, yeah [11:03] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-216-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:03] 3 weeks :P [11:03] i get all my late, breaking news from eviljlames [11:03] slashdot sucks. Yesterday they ran a headline about how "sources inside oracle might say" that OpenSolaris was being killed. [11:03] eviljames: no, i mean, you submit the storry now, and in three hours there will be enough edits and story updates to give everyone the full picture ;-) [11:03] Wizard: heh . going for a cde look? ;) [11:03] I've read things in printed magazines before they made slashdot :/ [11:03] FUDski! [11:03] BP{k}: yup [11:03] signal11: hahahah so true :D [11:03] that is because you guys are to slow to jump the trigger ;-) [11:04] eviljames: i just read that [11:04] It was really good a decade or so ago (maybe 2001 era) but has been steadily declining ever since. [11:04] eviljames: actually, it's literally true... the one about routers was in IEEE spectrum, which I received in the mail a few days before slashdot linked to it [11:04] what i wanna know is if there's a new tech news place to go to with discussion as good as slashdot's [11:04] actually like a couple weeks I think [11:04] amazon10x: sometimes reddit, but it's getting worse by the day. [11:04] reddit and digg are total rubbish. slashdot keeps me coming back just for the discussion quality [11:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:05] opensolaris sucks [11:05] Really? The discussion is what turned me off of slashdot - everybody seems to be going for cheap lulz and nobody gets modded insightful anymore. [11:05] heh, slashdot discussion is classic [11:05] i used to visit reddit daily a few years ago and it was quite good. i go about once a week now and just view the top links from a few choice subreddits [11:05] macavity: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/resize/resizing.htm - uses ntfs as an example [11:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:05] eviljames: it's worse than it used to be; but i can't find anything better [11:05] fark.com [11:06] Much better. [11:06] I actually used slashdot for a project in a sociology class years ago [11:06] fark > reddit > slashdot > * > digg [11:06] as an example of a strange community :P [11:06] is fark seriously good? i've never been there before [11:07] No [11:07] It's a real-life onion.com [11:07] err theonion.com [11:07] ohh, ok [11:07] ugh. [11:07] amazon10x: pm? [11:08] i've been mulling over the idea of online communites over the pasta few weeks, specifically how to create one [11:08] eviljames: yah [11:08] s/pasta/past. it must be lunch time :P [11:08] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [11:09] http://secunia.com/advisories/35798/ [11:10] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] well, off to work I go. bbiab [11:12] glhf [11:12] :> [11:12] csin [11:12] ok, i made that one up [11:12] isn't cosinus cos? [11:12] glhf, good luck have fun [11:12] not csin? [11:13] cosinus? [11:13] spook: first damn machine i need to install on... no PXE :( [11:14] cosine [11:14] yes, cosine is cos [11:14] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.5.131) joined ##slackware. [11:15] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:15] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.5.131) left irc: Client Quit [11:16] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [11:16] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.5.131) joined ##slackware. [11:21] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [11:21] hi again, how one can find out what type of compression uses a file? [11:22] i mean if i do not know how a file is compressed what am i suppose to do? try all flags of tar? :) [11:22] with "file" command ? [11:22] kr_eten: for the first question, the command "file filename" will tell you that [11:22] it says it is a compressed file :) [11:23] kr_eten: for the second question, modern versions of tar usually know what to do, so don't give it any specific flags apart from "xf" or "xvf" [11:23] this is not slackware question, i tried this on RH5 for example [11:23] compressed file... probably compressed with the "compress" program [11:23] i'm not sure [11:23] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Hostname for server. Simpsons character Gil Gunderson. :: gil, olgil, gunderson or gilgunderson? [11:25] Zordrak: depends on how frequently you'll be typing its name; the first two for often, and the last two for infrequent typing :) [11:25] only prob with last 2 is >8chars [11:25] granted therell never be an AIX box here... but still.. dont quite feel right [11:26] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.66.251) joined ##slackware. [11:26] bah.. gil'll do [11:26] interesting - my slamd64 12.1 file command labels *.txz as text [11:27] sorry - as data [11:28] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [11:28] how do I check kernel's size? [11:28] gtl: du [11:28] well tar does not recognize it nor file says anything useful... dumb. tar zxvf works, but the question is not about this [11:29] thanks anyway [11:29] "du /proc/config.gz"? [11:29] or the image loaded on boot? [11:29] gtl: du /boot/vmlinuz [11:29] kk [11:30] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [11:30] who has a fresh rsync of -current handy? [11:30] mine's 2,8M [11:30] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.89.116) left irc: "Leaving." [11:30] mine's just finishing up [11:30] tooly (n=tooly@e178137211.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:30] how big is slackware/ testing/ and extra/ all in all? [11:31] like 2GB or there about? [11:31] closer to 3.6 [11:31] wow [11:31] without /source it isn't that big [11:31] yup, 3.6G [11:32] macavity: only /extra, /testing and /slackware(64) is 1.6GB here [11:32] I keep /source around, sometimes need it [11:32] I've got 3.6G for total [11:32] pprkut: thanks :-) [11:32] both slackware and slackware64 [11:32] so a 2GB partition is enough for what i need [11:33] probably :) [11:33] you can ride of kdei/ and such too [11:33] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "sleeping" [11:33] and 2GB USB keys are dirt cheep, so no reason risking the life of my data [11:33] kdei/ is smaller than I thought, only 250MB [11:33] Action: macavity should *really* find some kind of data redundancy solution [11:33] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:34] Urchlay: it is just gzipped .po files [11:34] macavity: id lend you the new 3ware raid6 but.... [11:34] macavity: yah, I just for some reason thought it was over half a CD in size [11:34] Zordrak: lulz... id love to use raid6 for my 200GB goat prøn ;-P [11:34] looking for work sucks [11:34] anyone have the link to ailens tutorial for recompiling the kernel? [11:35] macavity: uhh.. 2TB goat pr0n [11:35] macavity: in RAID61 over 8 1TB disks :) [11:36] nevermind, found it [11:36] we use RAID10 [11:36] lo, seamonkey mail looks like netscape mail [11:36] :D [11:36] >.< [11:36] and have both 1T and 1.5T disks [11:36] beatzz: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alien+BOB+kernel+compile+guide [11:36] there i a reason for that [11:36] it kind of is netscape mail [11:36] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.198) joined ##slackware. [11:36] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:37] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [11:37] lmgtfy ftw! [11:37] Action: Zordrak wants to set up lmlmgtfyfy.com [11:38] Zordrak is the one who originally hit me with it :P [11:38] ... i am still just waiting for a chance to get back at him ;-) [11:38] denied :) [11:38] oh, sooner or later you will ask about something where i happen to know which string gives first hit in google :P [11:39] ... some day [11:39] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:41] macavity: so, going to distribute slackware-branded USB installation sticks? :) [11:41] hah, the ultimate win would to lmgtfy it to Pat. :P [11:41] agentc0re1: it would be a sad day if it were necessary [11:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-173-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [11:42] is anyone familiar with deploying java wars (shudder)? specifically on slack? [11:43] wars? [11:43] aren't they supposed to run on aplication server? [11:43] indeed [11:43] hmm [11:43] Zordrak, what's the matter? [11:44] Zordrak: i would test it on tomcat :P [11:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] im about to have to do it for the second time [11:44] I deployed on on tomcat and it worked like a charm [11:44] i would LOVE to avoid a complete installation of glassfish [11:44] tomcat is only a j2ee container.. [11:45] but if it is war.. than should work on tomcat [11:45] Wizard, actually tomcat is more of a servlet container [11:45] i can code in java to an exent.. but the enterprise app bollocks is so ridiculously hateful and overengineered i stay as far away from it as possible [11:45] Zordrak++ [11:46] Zodrak++ [11:46] buti cant in this instance [11:46] Zordrak, hey... I'm a j2ee developer... it ain't that much hateful =) [11:46] :D [11:46] i'm allmost a j2ee developer [11:47] j2ee lost me after trying to setup jboss for 16 hours [11:47] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:48] :( no tomcat at sbo [11:48] sbo? [11:48] Zordrak: I have one, but it's for 12.1. Haven't looked at it for a while :/ [11:48] pprkut: its not slacky's is it? :) [11:48] Zordrak: go to tomcat.apache.org and download [11:49] Zordrak: no, self-written :) [11:49] than unpack [11:49] and just run [11:49] Zordrak, just download and untar it somewhere and load the variables on /etc/profile [11:49] it's written in this strange, ancient language [11:49] k.. getting the idea from slackys 12.1 [11:50] called after some Indian Ocean's island [11:50] but, of course, you'll need a jdk too [11:50] hmm.. [11:50] ..thats ridiculous and pointless [11:50] phroggy (n=phroggy@webwizardry.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] so who is fizban, and why is his e-mail broken? [11:50] 7-ish levels of containers just to create a single window UI... [11:50] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] Zordrak: http://www.liwjatan.at/files/scripts/apache-tomcat.tar.gz [11:51] Zordrak: you can have a look, if you want to :) [11:51] hardest module my entire uni had was java3d [11:51] pprkut: ta [11:52] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:52] town (n=town@ppp-70-133-172-95.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: "BitchX: for me to POOP ON!" [11:52] cktiger (n=cktiger@bl8-11-165.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:54] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [11:55] pprkut: stolen :) thanks.. very good.. simple version bump reqd really [11:55] chow time! [11:56] also ciao time then.. [11:56] :) [11:56] Zordrak: heh. I'll have a look at it again once 13.0 is out :) [11:56] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [11:56] tyvm [11:56] dmhelpme (n=dmhelpme@host232-48-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:57] cktiger (n=cktiger@bl8-11-165.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [11:57] hel nvidia NVRM: CPU does not support the PAT, falling back to MTRRs [11:57] tbh i dont think it requires any modification [11:57] will let you know if i hit anything [11:57] xorg no run [11:57] anyone on slackware64? do you have /usr/local/lib64? I only have lib here, not lib64 [11:57] help me! [11:58] Zordrak: I have some minor nitpicks somewhere in a mail, but generally it should be fine, yes [11:58] Camarade_Tux: no /usr/local/lib64 here [11:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-165.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:58] twolf: ok, thanks :) [11:58] Action: Zordrak runs after dmhelpme's xorg with a big set of pliers to scare it into running [11:58] Camarade_Tux, no lib64 in mine [11:58] haldir: thanks [11:59] guess it's a bug :) [11:59] th3_b0b (n=daniel@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-25-182.westend.de) joined ##slackware. [12:00] or a feature [12:00] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.26) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:00] hey there! any LDAP-Experts online? [12:00] th3_b0b: Expert is a subjective term [12:01] haldir: it could be ok not to have it, but [12:01] echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH [12:01] /usr/local/lib64/pkgconfig:/usr/lib64/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib64/pkgconfig [12:01] Zordrak: Ok, it is... :) [12:01] Camarade_Tux: no, but you can create /usr/local/lib64 yourself (you'll need to ./configure --libdir=/usr/local/lib64 to actually get it used for anything) [12:01] and btw, it's redondant [12:01] Urchlay: I just did, but it should have been there ;) [12:02] tell Pat? [12:02] i would love to see local completely deprecated in perpetuity [12:02] Anyways: My LDAP-Problem: ldapsearch doesn't seem to properly honor options set in /etc/openldap/ldap.conf [12:02] if you really need local.. use an opt tree instead [12:02] otherwise.. your whole OS is *local8 [12:02] Zordrak: I don't like local either but I hate pythong *things* and put them somewhere "safe" and away [12:02] local's useful for a couple things. For instance: cd /usr/local/bin ; ln /usr/bin/ccache . ; for i in c++ cc g++ gcc; do ln -s ccache $i; done [12:03] I don't really want /usr/bin/gcc to be a symlink to ccache, and this way I can remove /usr/local/bin from $PATH if it causes trouble [12:03] Specifically: "ldapsearch -xLLL" says: "ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1)" whereas "LDAPCONF=/etc/openldap/ldap.conf ldapsearch -xLLL" works just fine [12:04] in both cases, strace tells me that the file is at least opened and read... [12:04] i think they should put kde back in /opt/kde ;-) [12:04] how to address the problem, Bratica after startx I get black screen and locks everything [12:04] haldir: ++ [12:04] nvidia problem black screen and locks everything [12:05] /opt gets annoying if you have 50 apps installed there, each with its own /opt/appname/bin, and you end up with a $PATH a yard long [12:05] ...or else symlinks galore in /usr/bin, which sorta defeats the purpose of using /opt [12:05] Urchlay: I'm waiting for alienBO* or rworkma* to pop up and tell them ;) [12:05] NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.20-pkg1 this driver [12:05] installer ok! [12:05] problem only xorg [12:05] Urchlay: in which case it should all be PRFIX=/usr [12:05] Camarade_Tux: eh, Pat does listen to us mere mortals, too [12:05] Action: Camarade_Tux puts his other compilers in a completely different prefix : /ocaml, /ocaml310, /mingw-w64... [12:06] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:33) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Urchlay: you mean I have to get his mail address and mail him? I'm lazy :D [12:06] it's right there on the web site... [12:07] Zordrak: sometimes I do install 4 or 5 versions of gcc, each one in /usr/local/gcc-$VERSION/ (which would just as easily work as /opt/gcc-$VERSION, there's no compelling reason to care which though) [12:07] but then he would have to open a web browser [12:08] haldir: it's on desk2 :D [12:08] lol [12:08] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:239) joined ##slackware. [12:08] I want to finish some code first [12:08] just noticed that /y consists of nothing but bsd-gamel [12:08] *s [12:09] yeah... there used to be other stuff in y/ though [12:09] (the app that I wanted to install to local is a dependency of my program) [12:09] Zordrak: yeah, a folder of pure awesomeness ;p [12:09] Camarade_Tux, hows it going with that ocaml? [12:09] paznak (n=paznak@dna252-169.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:10] dive: going pretty well, my app is nearly finished, something like 95% before I can use it (it will take a few more features but it will already be ok) [12:10] :) [12:10] help me the problem xorg no run [12:10] I seem to recall there being a textmode version of the role playing game "paranoia" in y/ at one time... [12:10] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [12:10] nvidia driver 5200 fx video [12:10] nyao~~ [12:11] I'd be interested in looking at some ocaml source to see the structure and syntax [12:11] to compare with C [12:12] ocaml... where have i heard that blasphemous name before? =p [12:12] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:33) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:12] Camarade_Tux, care to pastebin a little section? [12:12] Camarade_Tux: sfolder/directory/ :) [12:12] dive: it's pretty cryptic at first but it only takes 1 minute to learn the syntax and 30 minutes to get used to it [12:12] s/sf/s\/f/ [12:13] PCRE ftw? >.> [12:13] dive: sure, getting a non-weird part ;) [12:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.135.81) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:2b9) joined ##slackware. [12:14] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [12:15] welanx2 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] dive: http://ocaml.pastebin.com/m60eb2db5 [12:16] dive: it's not a non-weird one but it's a real one ;) [12:16] right [12:17] oh, comments in (* ... *) and it uses a syntax extension to *match* against a regular expression (line 15 to 58) [12:18] WTF [12:18] suddenly i cant resolve google DNS...(!!) [12:19] phew.. back [12:19] Well uncheck the "stop resolving dns" check box :P [12:19] Action: rob0 ate it [12:19] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:239) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:19] unexplainable.. all other DNS was fine [12:19] but for 30s google.com/co.uk was unresolvable [12:19] rob0: Damn it! [12:19] http://tinyurl.com/lrpwxw <- this single line adds tabs to my browser :D [12:19] *burp* [12:20] Camarade_Tux: hm, that reminds me vaguely of Pascal [12:20] soon i will have a uber 1337 bootsplash :P [12:20] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009039119.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:20] wtf.... [12:21] Camarade_Tux: i don't like ocaml now lol [12:21] beatzz: bootsplash isn't 1337. bootsplash means you're not 1337 enough to keep your OS running for weeks/months/years at a time (if you did, you wouldn't care what it looks like at boot time, since you hardly ever boot it) [12:21] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Urchlay: it has some similarities, but not many, and (* ... *) are ml-style comments, not pascal-style ones! ;) [12:21] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:2b9) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:21] bootsplash is annoying to set up [12:22] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1ff) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:22] hi guys [12:22] hi [12:22] bootsplash is a waste of time [12:22] yo Necos [12:22] bootsplash to me is a goal [12:23] a very short-sighted one :P [12:23] a task, to get it working, and when it dose [12:23] its eye candy [12:23] :) [12:23] and when it does, you'll have wasted your time [12:23] do something useful, like play with compiz [12:23] negitive, compiz works [12:23] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) joined ##slackware. [12:23] like fix direct rendering in intel boards? =D [12:24] hm. Virtualbox OSE pops up a little "a new version of virtualbox has been released" dialog. I really don't like that (means it's phoning home every time I run it) [12:24] is that why video in full screen is so choppy, when i have compiz running? [12:24] isnt there a "turn off update check" .. [12:24] Urchlay: and vbox3 asks you to register everytime you start it (at least non-OSE) [12:25] beatzz: yes [12:25] Camarade_Tux, is there no way around it? [12:25] beatzz: yes [12:25] do I know it? no [12:25] :/ [12:25] th3_b0b (n=daniel@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-25-182.westend.de) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [12:26] ol [12:26] lol [12:26] beatzz: with nvidia, you might be lucky, but I can't tell you more [12:26] well anywaz, im compiling a kernel for bootsplash atm [12:26] has anyone else noticed that the slackware install pauses at the screen that says the gutenprint package is being installed? [12:26] what a waste :P [12:26] my third atempt, but feeling lucky [12:27] it's a big package... [12:27] zaltekk: yeah, known [12:27] the dvd always spins down, waits a minute or two, and then the install starts going again [12:27] Camarade_Tux: okay. just making sure i'm not crazy :) [12:27] it doesn't matter, you still are ^_^ [12:27] =[ [12:28] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] OHFFS!!!!!!! [12:29] never trust old frigging hardware!!! [12:29] heh, you should have known that already Zordrak [12:30] hm. OK, my theory has been confirmed: VirtualBox 2.1.4 is much faster than 2.2.2, for the specific case of playing "Age of Empires" in win2k [12:30] start compiling the first pkg and BAM... SuperHang time [12:30] I've finally had a computer that just stopped working, it was 15yo ;p [12:30] how would i recreate teh hugesmp.s kernel? is the configuration for it included somewhere? [12:30] yes [12:30] zaltekk: /boot [12:30] go look [12:30] okay [12:30] or /proc/config.gz sometimes :D [12:31] er, 2.2.4 even [12:31] oh, that's easy :) [12:31] only is it's running [12:31] haven't yet messed with 3.0.x [12:31] right [12:31] screw it [12:32] theyre getting a PIII Dell Dimension and theyre gonna like it [12:32] hahaha [12:32] or they can suck my appendages [12:32] so if i copy that over the .config in /usr/src/linux and run make menuconfig, i'll see how hugesmp.s is setup? [12:32] at least THEY are dependable [12:32] or will menuconfig overwrite it with defaults [12:32] zaltekk: yes [12:32] zaltekk: no [12:32] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-46.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] good [12:32] lol [12:32] zaltekk: why huge anyway? you should use generic as your starting point [12:33] Nick change: init[1]|znc -> buffer [12:33] Zordrak: i don't really know what i'm doing. [12:33] Zordrak: if it's the first kernel recompile, I'd rather use huge [12:33] zaltekk: start at generic.. huge is for installation and the chronically lazy [12:33] zaltekk: ok, so note that : make a backup of your kernel and keep it available for boot ! [12:34] so long as you ensure your filesystem and ata dhriver are compiled-in (y) -- youre good to go [12:34] huge is nice... zero guesswork [12:34] Action: Camarade_Tux using huge [12:34] huge is slow [12:34] stunix (n=stian@77.16.44.237.tmi.telenormobil.no) left irc: "leaving" [12:34] thrice`: ++ [12:34] well, not huge but a kernel with only a few modules, otoh it's tailored to my computer [12:34] how is it slow? [12:34] ! huge is huge ! [12:34] because it's HUGE [12:34] lol [12:34] :o [12:34] -rw-r--r-- 1 root 2.4M 2009-07-07 22:43 /boot/vmlinuz [12:34] when you have 1GB+ ram, it shouldn't even mattetr [12:34] *matter [12:35] and it's a x86_64 kernel ;) [12:35] i;ve got 4gb of ddr3. i'd rather just not break anything [12:35] I've got 320GB of DDR5 what do you think of that [12:35] =[ [12:35] Action: eviljames measures his e-penii. [12:35] vmlinu should be is a symbolic link [12:35] s/is// [12:35] eviljames: how many do you have? [12:35] zaltekk: Bottom line is.. so long as you add the normal huge to your lilo config.. you can always choose to boot back into it [12:36] 15M /lib/modules/2.6.30/ <- and nvidia.ko is 12MB [12:36] Zordrak: roger. [12:36] Action: Camarade_Tux wondering why it is soooo huge [12:36] amazon10x: Dozens, they keep spawning due to this firefox javascript I keep running! [12:36] Action: misspwn meeps ##slackware [12:36] zaltekk: ALL my lilo configs end with a call to huge [12:36] Nick change: misspwn -> nix_chix0r [12:36] misspwn... lol [12:36] yo nix_chix0r [12:36] heya nix_chix0r ^_^ [12:36] zaltekk: but ALL the boxes here run their own custom kernel based on Pat's generic [12:36] howdy [12:36] evenin nix_chix0r [12:37] Zordrak: the generic that came on the cd? [12:37] or perhaps afternoon? [12:37] damn, i have 301 hrs of vacation time, and my cap is 180 >.<; [12:37] zaltekk: -generic-smp-2.6.x-smp [12:37] yes [12:37] i use whatever one is default but i've been told i should be using the other one [12:38] I just don't really know my way around teh config. if i type make config, i get 30+minutes of questions i end up taking the defaults for. and if i use make menuconfig i can halfway figure it out, but it seems like half of the options aren't even in there [12:38] Necos: Take them all in a row, that's like a full month! :D [12:38] amazon10x: right [12:38] eviljames: actually, it's about 2 months... [12:38] maybe i need to go read something [12:38] yes, read [12:38] zaltekk: using generic as a base it will work fine [12:38] zaltekk: There's an option in make menuconfig for unstable & development options [12:38] Zordrak: what is the advantage of using the other kernel though? [12:38] zaltekk: just ensure you star your root filesystem and your disk controller [12:39] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [12:39] my doctor ruled out postpartum depression. wrote me up a thing for celexa, and said see you in two weeks unless the voices in your head get louder [12:39] amazon10x: speed, weight, errors gone from dmesg [12:39] eviljames: is that all that is missing? [12:39] ardya-vm-slack (i=ardy@vbox-slack.kritek.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] wow >.> [12:39] Zordrak: i wasn't aware it could affect speed. how? [12:39] amazon10x: dont make me lmgtfy you [12:40] zaltekk: It's possible - but impossible for me to say for sure on your speific setup :D [12:40] nix_chix0r: That's a good sign.. ... .... I think? [12:40] zaltekk: what IS your FS and mobo? [12:40] weechat_user (n=weechat@92.84.5.131) joined ##slackware. [12:40] well if he can get the voices to stop yes, and me not feel so blah al lthe time [12:41] how do I run gedit without installing the entire gnome DE ? [12:41] nix_chix0r: indeed [12:41] campassi: you don't [12:41] Zordrak: i'm running an intel laptop...i'd have to lookup the chipset online since i did'nt put it together myself [12:42] can't remember it [12:42] campassi: ln -s /usr/bin/kwrite /usr/bin/gedit [12:42] zaltekk: lspci! [12:42] zaltekk: lspci might help to get the info you want. [12:42] Zordrak: i see in the readme where it says you may get a performance increase, but i don't understand how [12:42] zaltekk: lspci [12:42] -sh: /usr/bin/kwrite: No such file or directory [12:42] not a kde fan [12:42] sh? [12:42] So use gvim [12:42] do i need the entire KDE DE to use kwrite? [12:42] gvim -y [12:42] you can use gvim [12:43] name__ (n=name@pool-71-127-238-152.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] i gotta go [12:43] cyall [12:43] Or any of the billions and billions of text editors out there.. [12:43] see ya [12:43] ardya-vm-slack (i=ardy@vbox-slack.kritek.net) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?" [12:43] nooooooooo! [12:43] I ran evim ='( [12:43] gvim -y... that's neat [12:43] Camarade_Tux: Did you see the FF exploit in the wild? [12:43] it's the editor you can't quit! [12:44] eviljames: nope, have a link? [12:44] Action: Camarade_Tux nearly done for his browser [12:44] Camarade_Tux: I have all sorts of links. It's baaaad. [12:44] http://www.futureshop.ca/home.asp?logon=&langid=EN [12:44] err [12:44] hahahah wrong link [12:44] ardyavmslack (i=ardy@vbox-slack.kritek.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] eviljames: 3 or 3.5 or both? [12:45] Action: BP{k} gets confused by gvim -y [12:45] 3.5 [12:45] killall evim [12:45] it's a JS vuln [12:45] http://secunia.com/advisories/35798 [12:45] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.72.199.2) left irc: "Leaving" [12:45] Camarade_Tux: 3.5 but other versions may be affected. [12:45] for their new and fancy JS engine [12:45] 3.5 did debut the new JS engine, right? [12:46] BP{k}: read man evim ;) [12:46] amazon10x: Yup, tracemonkey. [12:46] hmm [12:46] Solution: [12:46] gvim ftw [12:46] Do not browse untrusted websites or follow untrusted links. [12:46] thank you Camarade_Tux [12:46] ardyavmslack (i=ardy@vbox-slack.kritek.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:46] so, all of them? ;-) [12:46] ehmm, OK, so I should give up on this whole web thing? [12:46] I have to resist, no, no, don't say it, noooo! don't say you knew including firefox3.5.0 was going to be a bad choice [12:46] Urchlay: I don't trust _any_ website. Solution: NoScript [12:46] Action: Urchlay compiles a gopher client [12:46] eviljames: I use it too [12:47] Didn't they shut down gopher:// / [12:47] eviljames: oh, yeah, I saw that one mentionned, 3.5.1 should fix it afaik [12:47] i linked my friend to the vuln. his reponse: "Good thing I'm using IE!" :P [12:47] eviljames: I think so [12:47] How to install w3m text mode-browser? [12:47] how do you shut down an entire protocol? (or did it rely on a central server?) [12:47] weechat_user: slackbuilds.org [12:47] weechat_user: ln -sv /usr/bin/links /usr/bin/w3m [12:47] that should do :P [12:47] lol [12:47] "Vim for gumbies" :) [12:48] Urchlay: No, I think that the majority of gopher servers have been offlined. [12:48] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [12:49] name_ (n=name@pool-71-127-238-152.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:49] Camarade_Tux: how about just using vim/gvim as it was intended ;) sod the easy mode ;) [12:49] Action: phroggy remembers being aware that browsers supported the gopher protocol, but never ever connected to a gopher server [12:49] BP{k}: I'm using vim ;) [12:50] BP{k}: I only use vim ;) [12:50] and I currently have 6 vims opened :) [12:50] i'm installing the newest virtualbox. is my mind about to be blown? [12:50] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-3-228-168.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] I just installed VirtualBox yesterday [12:51] amazon10x: your house is going to collapse [12:52] got it to boot from a Vista ISO, running headless, connecting from my Mac running Microsoft's Remote Desktop client. [12:52] i just finished grabbing -current to install as a guest [12:52] phroggy: wait... so where's slack at? [12:52] the host [12:52] ah ok :P [12:52] I need to make some hardware changes before I go further [12:53] that box doesn't currently have a good place to make a hard drive image. [12:53] Where i can find gc package to install w3m text mode browser? [12:53] weechat_user: gc? [12:53] weechat_user: probably slackbuilds.org [12:54] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-165.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [12:54] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] ardyavmslack (i=ardy@vbox-slack.kritek.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] weechat_user: SBo has gc for 12.2 [12:55] hm, of the 125 mirrors listed in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors, 75 of them work and 50 do not. [12:55] where would i find the slackbuilds that are used for the official packages? such as if i wanted this broken firefox 3.5, and wanted to update the slackbuild? [12:55] it probably has w3m too, no? [12:55] that's not great. [12:56] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.26) joined ##slackware. [12:56] zaltekk: uhm... source/ perhaps .. just an *guess* [12:56] s%gc/a gc buildscript% [12:56] phroggy: it's quite good actually : imagine if 75 worked and 67 didn't! :o [12:56] hmmm, anyone know of a good xml browser? [12:56] indeed. [12:56] Necos: vim? [12:56] or i should say, a "visual xml browser" [12:56] :set fdm=indent [12:56] BP{k}: you must be an Englishman! Those guys always put "an" in front of everything - even if it doesn't need it! "an historical journey..." etc [12:57] Necos: gvim? :D [12:57] no Camarade_Tux, no vim [12:57] :P [12:57] eviljames: hell no. [12:57] eviljames: I am Dutch, ta very muchly. :) [12:58] BP{k}: hahah are you a simpsons fan? If so, the episode where Milhouse's parents disappear has a hilarious dutch/danish fight. [12:58] In which category can I find w3m on slackbuilds? [12:58] weechat_user: use the search box [12:58] weechat_user: search will find it [12:58] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] weechat_user: you know what .. we have a nice little search box .. how about using that. ;) [12:59] thanks [12:59] of course that might be too much to ask from someone who can't be arsed with a nick like that. [12:59] Action: phroggy wonders when browsers other than Safari will add support for [12:59] Action: BP{k} turns his sarcarsm mode a bit down from 11. [12:59] phroggy: use any webkit-based browser? [13:00] Camarade_Tux: last I checked, it looked just like a text box in Chrome [13:00] phroggy: chrome isn't the best example [13:01] phroggy: any website which has that? [13:01] phroggy.com/weblog :) [13:01] i'd use kdevelop before i use vim >.<; [13:01] people, im tired of windows users.. [13:02] I have already installed sbopkg on my computer and I want to install the software I need frome comsole. [13:02] they keep asking silly questions.. [13:02] looks like a text box in the WebKit-based browser on my Nokia phone, too. [13:02] pupit, /part #windows? [13:02] is there any harm in having /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin in a normal users path for use with sudo? [13:02] phroggy: and how can I tell if it has that "new" behaviour? [13:02] dive: its a suicide thing... [13:02] I'll just compare to firefox [13:02] come again? [13:03] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:03] pupit, you /joined #windows cause you felt suicidal? [13:03] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] zaltekk: Dunno about that one, sudo, itself, I consider harmful. [13:03] or did one lead to the other? [13:03] eviljames: why? [13:03] Greetings everyone. :) [13:03] fire|bird, hi [13:03] Hey dive, how's it going? [13:04] nots so bad, yourself? [13:04] dive: no :), im tired of people who ask me questions about windows OS.. [13:04] doing excellent, thank you. :) [13:04] sup, fire|bird, dive [13:04] y0 gtl, how are you? [13:04] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062419]" [13:04] swell =) [13:04] pupit: How do I shutdown windows? :P [13:04] Action: fire|bird runs [13:04] Camarade_Tux: Mac OS X has a search box widget with rounded corners and a little magnifying glass; looks exactly like the one on www.filemaker.com and similar to www.britannica.com [13:04] fire|bird: howdy. :) [13:04] heya dive, fire|bird [13:04] fire|bird: :P [13:04] heya BP{k}, how are you? [13:04] Hey Necos [13:04] Action: Necos watches pupit go into rage mode [13:04] hi Necos [13:04] ^_^ [13:05] zaltekk: Old biases, I guess. There was a time when I considered having it installed on a system a security vulnerability (due to the number of gaping holes in it) [13:05] lol, s/rage/extreme rage/ [13:05] zaltekk: there is no harm in having /sbin /usr/sbin /usr/local/sbin in a normal user's path. The commands will fail to do anything "dangerous" anyway, if you run them as a normal user (without su or sudo) [13:05] Necos: uh oh, I see smoke coming of out his ears. [13:05] eviljames: i was thinking that might be better than using su all the time [13:05] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-81-105-71-192.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Success [13:05] Necos: i've said im tired.. i'm not raging [13:06] phroggy: checking, I need to get webkit-gtk back [13:06] y0 Camarade_Tux [13:06] Action: Camarade_Tux summons webkit-gtk [13:06] yoyo fire|bird [13:06] zaltekk, it is probably better to learn the full paths to those propgrams that you need in case one day you find yourself on a strange box with normal PATH [13:06] zaltekk: I use su -c 'command args' for one-off commands requiring privilege escalation. [13:06] takes about 2 sec to fix the path, if you're logged in on someone else's machine [13:07] >< [13:07] eviljames: sadly i breaks tab completion when you must use the quotes around the command [13:07] make him do it the hard way [13:07] zaltekk: Not under zsh, it doesn't. [13:08] i accepted the default of bash [13:08] Well, there's no one to blame but yourself then! :P [13:08] zaltekk, type 'zsh' [13:08] dive: why? if he's smart enough to understand the easy way, why shouldn't be use it? (bearing in mind there are plenty of noobs who won't be able to figure out how to change their user's default path...) [13:08] tbh i don't know the difference in bash and zsh [13:09] zsh has a good tab-completion [13:09] zsh has built-in tetris, and better tab-completion [13:09] zaltekk: as everyone else mentions, the tab-completion is zsh is pretty astounding (urls, command line arguments, etc) [13:09] okay, i'll give it a try [13:09] Urchlay, dunno I'm in a sadistic mood [13:09] if you have bash-completion installed & enabled, you get most of that in bash too [13:09] a few minutes ago I just 'cd /m/s/W', with bash that would have been 'cd /mn/sdb2/W' : much longer [13:10] Camarade_Tux: I wouldn't expect it to work in anything but Safari. You'd need platform-specific code to render a search widget differently, if your platform even has a standard search widget. [13:10] Camarade_Tux: I do the same thing - I set the completers so that /m/W DOESN'T match /mnt/sdb2/W but /m/s/W does. [13:10] where do i change this? /etc/passwd? [13:10] phroggy: I think webkit-gtk has that [13:10] I find that if it gloms too much things start to get confused.. but others might like it. [13:11] Camarade_Tux: I find the idea of the shell trying to figure out that /m/s/ means /mnt/sdb2 (or whatever) completely abhorrent. Tab completion is fine, but once I've pressed Enter, I don't want it second-guessing the command [13:11] zaltekk: just run /bin/zsh to test the waters (first thing it does is make you go through a configuration process), if you like what you see THEN usermod -s /bin/bash [user] [13:11] Urchlay: I have to press tab to get that [13:11] err [13:11] s#/bin/bash#/bin/zsh# hahahah [13:12] Urchlay: /m/s not /m/s heh.. I don't think it second-guesses you after you've committed the command. [13:12] Camarade_Tux: ah, in that case I wouldn't mind. [13:12] phroggy: I don't get the same results when trying the search box on ff and on webkit-gtk, I get 19 results for 'code' in webkit and 111 in ff [13:12] phroggy: oh, that was just ff lagging a character [13:12] or two actually [13:13] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] although someone was in here talking about zsh magically turning "sl -l" typos into "ls -l" (without "alias sl=ls", I mean, something more general) [13:13] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Urchlay: you can set zsh so that it corrects up to n mistakes [13:14] I had n=1, I have n=0 now [13:14] but then I can't stand to use editors or word processors with instant spell-checking either (e.g. word's squiggly red underlines) [13:14] phroggy: http://omploader.org/vMXo0Yg/phroggy.png [13:14] Camarade_Tux: my JavaScript is probably a little buggy. Safari supports an onSearch option that works better, but that was rejected for the HTML5 spec [13:15] hmm, interesting! It's got a little square thingie. [13:15] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:15] anyway, time to go drive. BBL. [13:17] laters Urchlay [13:17] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] Camarade_Tux: here's a description of Safari's behavior: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456229 [13:21] phroggy: I've seen that on some websites [13:21] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:23] Camarade_Tux: I _never_ have zsh correct my mistakes. [13:23] Camarade_Tux: Like Urchlay, I find that behaviour obnoxious. [13:24] i never MAKE mistakes [13:24] eviljames: yeah, I had that but that was a nightmar [13:24] e [13:24] slackbook.org shows GNOME as a disk series, is this outdated? [13:24] yes [13:24] Quite. [13:24] blame AlexElliott_ [13:24] Alan_Hicks: [13:24] I blame thrice`. [13:24] :( [13:25] paznak (n=paznak@dna252-169.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi) left irc: "leaving" [13:25] thrice`: You're getting blamed for everything for knocking Osol earlier! :P [13:25] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:25] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [13:25] you know its dying, just start accepting it :) [13:25] paznak (n=paznak@dna252-169.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:25] I'll fork it myself if I have to. [13:25] in fact, the whole notion of a "disk series" is outdated, but I don't think anybody's come up with a better name for them. [13:25] phroggy: "package set" [13:26] ooh [13:26] ok [13:26] that's pretty good. [13:26] I think we need more of them. [13:26] No, blame Alan_Hicks, even if it wasn't his fault, it should be. [13:26] eviljames: "folder"? :D [13:26] And I wrote that even before reading that you were talking about Slackbook. [13:26] paznak (n=paznak@dna252-169.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Client Quit [13:27] slack needs groups, and some dep checking [13:27] paznak (n=paznak@dna252-169.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:27] sftwre groups [13:27] haha [13:27] yes, dep checking is srs buznis [13:28] things like the "l" series should be split up, so e.g. if I'm installing a system without X11 or sound, I can install all the libraries that don't involve X or sound [13:28] thrice`: [13:28] i want to modify the /etc/profile to add /sbin, /usr/sbin, etc to the path of members of the wheel group rather than just to root's path. the check it uses is id -u. [13:29] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [13:29] whats up rob. [13:29] id -G will list more than just the wheel group...how would i convert the output down to just check if it contains "10" and not get tricked by things like "100" or "101" [13:29] e01_ (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [13:29] dmhelpme (n=dmhelpme@host232-48-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [13:29] zaltekk: use a mode 750 root:wheel script in profile.d [13:29] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] oooh, good call! [13:29] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [13:29] that'll fail the -x test for non-wheel users [13:30] okay [13:30] one more thing [13:30] i don't want it to add . to the path of the wheel group [13:30] you can fix that in the same script. [13:30] how would i remove :. from the path? [13:30] Action: Camarade_Tux has to fix . too [13:30] you could make it 754 if you want the script to be world-readable, I believe [13:31] re-export the paths [13:31] without it [13:31] tooly (n=tooly@e178137211.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [13:31] yes, that's the easy way [13:31] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-64-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ph|ber: that kind of defeats the purpose of it generating the path [13:31] helloo [13:31] if i have to manually specify the entire path afterwords [13:31] hello fredoslack [13:32] i've installed the last iso current :} [13:32] mmh [13:32] hi fire|bird :) [13:32] The hard way involves $IFS=: [13:32] um, s/\$// [13:33] zowtar (n=pain@189.59.82.148.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:34] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [13:34] zowtar (n=pain@189.59.82.148.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [13:34] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Alan_Hicks: sorry, we were blaming you for slackbook old-ness [13:36] Action: Necos blames G.W. [13:36] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] thrice`: I noticed. How thoughtful of you. [13:37] Necos++ [13:38] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] :) [13:39] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [13:39] vi (n=vi@122.163.196.156) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Nick change: vi -> Guest42879 [13:43] :> [13:43] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:2db) joined ##slackware. [13:43] hey, I only mentioned the slackbook. rob0 tried blaming you for more [13:45] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:45] s/tried blaming/blames/ [13:45] is it wrong to set my default(or is it effective?) group id to wheel instead of adding wheel in /etc/group? [13:46] Guest42879 (n=vi@122.163.196.156) left irc: "Leaving" [13:46] um ... wrong is relative [13:46] no need to make it primary group [13:46] the question is, do you really need sudo? [13:47] Necos: I was going to use it in place of su [13:47] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:47] why? [13:47] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) left ##slackware. [13:47] to not open a root shell to run commands [13:47] for? [13:47] for? [13:47] what does it matter? it's what he wants to do :) [13:48] that's like saying "i want a remote start for my car because i want a remote start for my car" [13:48] zaltekk: don't make it your primary group, but just put yourself into the wheel group, and edit the sudo'ers file with visudo [13:48] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:48] no, it's like saying "why do you want a Ford, Chevy already makes cars" [13:49] lol [13:49] fair enough [13:49] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:49] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:49] e01_ (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:49] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:49] Necos: i don't want to have to open a shell to run a command. and bash won't complete commands if i use su -c "blah blah" because of the quotes [13:50] but you're gonna open a shell to run the command anyway... [13:50] i want the primary group to be wheel so that i can make /etc/profile add the sbin directories and not add the current directory to my path [13:50] i just `su -' most of the time anyway [13:51] Necos: it is easier to type "sudo blah" than "su -" "blah" "exit" [13:51] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:2db) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:51] su - is easier to type than sudo for every command that you wanna run =p [13:52] su -c [13:52] the second tends to make me run extra commands as root just so that i'm not switching in and out of the root shell [13:52] ardyavmslack: then i don't have tab completion with bash, which is quite annoying. [13:52] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-46.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:52] Personally, I prefer not having sbin directories in my $PATH, but to each his own. [13:52] i usually have to run more than one command as root when i do use root, so i rather just use su - [13:53] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:257) joined ##slackware. [13:53] (it makes me think and type in the full path) [13:53] Necos: I use su -c 'command args && command args && command...' myself. [13:53] rob0: to avoid unfortunate accidents? [13:53] well, it worked. [13:53] but as rob0 says, to each their own. [13:54] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.5.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:54] I always have a screen running (on each of several machines), and my .screenrc starts a root shell with "sudo -i". [13:54] but, I only get in that window when I need to. [13:55] weechat_user (n=weechat@92.84.5.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] S|ackwareX (n=a@189.187.202.108) joined ##slackware. [13:55] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.13.60) joined ##slackware. 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[14:04] Camarade_Tux, hello [14:04] yo fredoslack :) [14:04] Action: Camarade_Tux taking his train in 50 minutes [14:04] Camarade_Tux, enfin un français lool [14:04] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Hello! [14:05] ricardo (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:af) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:05] driver "nv" support resolution 1650x1024? [14:06] egrub, i don't know [14:06] egrub: I don't know what it supports, but "nv" sucks :) [14:06] xD [14:06] lool [14:06] j'pense que fredoslack sais plus que fredoslack dit :P [14:06] ardyavmslack (i=ardy@vbox-slack.kritek.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:06] eh ardya [14:07] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:07] eviljames, je galèrel ol [14:07] galère [14:07] heureusement que j'ai mon petit harrap's [14:07] Damn this non-unicode terminal! [14:07] :p [14:07] rxvt-unicode? [14:07] egrub, yes it can support resolutions like that =] [14:07] my studient' time is far away :( [14:07] ok [14:08] is old [14:08] =) [14:08] egrub, however it runs very slow at high-res compared to proprietary drivers because it doesn't have features that speed up 2D rendering [14:08] ardya (i=ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) joined ##slackware. [14:08] fredoslack: eviljames is canadian ;) [14:08] egrub, it also has bugs that even vesa doesn't have that can cause screen corruption [14:08] Camarade_Tux, ;) [14:08] And, due to this term, he said to me: je gal?re [14:08] fetchesz la vache!! [14:08] NthDegree: it also runs slowly at low-resolutions :) [14:08] hiptobecubic: not use compiz [14:08] BP{k}: what? :P [14:08] Heil Trudeau! [14:08] BP{k}: on that note, where's keth? [14:09] (the first word) [14:09] BOOM! [14:09] fluxbox full xD [14:09] BP{k}: That was much too easy, I had to take it. :P [14:09] egrub, what? [14:09] Camarade_Tux: "Fetchez la vache!" [14:09] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't get the first word ;) [14:09] eviljames: cooking me dinner, so in the kitchen, of course :P [14:09] ahh, right where they belong [14:09] Camarade_Tux: it's monthy python, it's okay. [14:09] return_zero (n=zero@h15.63.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] eviljames: agreed ;) well where they belong for this time of day. [14:10] BP{k}: A wise woman told my gf: "A woman should be a maid in the living room, a chef in the kitchen, and an acrobat in the bedroom." [14:10] Wise, wise woman. [14:10] NthDegree: not use compiz [14:10] xD [14:10] hiptobecubic: sorry... [14:10] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [14:10] BP{k}: he ;p [14:10] eviljames: I mostly agree with that. except the acrobat thing perhaps. ;) .. that tripple summersault might be a bit too much. [14:10] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] BP{k}: let's compromise on "contortionist" [14:11] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:11] deal ;) [14:12] egrub, it's slow at high-res for pure 2D use too [14:12] nv isn't only slow, it's also buggy :) [14:12] It also lacks motion compensation or whatever it's called [14:13] so all motion causes complete re-rendering, not just re-rendering of just the moving portion [14:13] I can't help but think "why bother" -- NVidia makes its own driver that is supposed to work very, very well. [14:13] which cripples Flash and Java [14:13] be back in three hours :) [14:13] eviljames, because Linux is more reliable BECAUSE the drivers are open [14:13] if they were all closed Linux would suck [14:13] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] NthDegree: Well, we aren't talking about _all_ drivers, we're talking about _this_ driver. [14:14] just look at Solaris, where everything has to have legacy crap on top of legacy crap to support drivers that they don't have the ability to modify [14:14] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:257) left irc: No route to host [14:14] NthDegree: I'm using opensolaris right now, actually - it's my workstation in the office. Works really, really well. [14:14] eviljames, yes but "nv" has to exist otherwise all NVIDIA users would be tied into a driver that could go unmaintained at any time [14:15] Because open source projects never die, right? [14:15] nv is a backup [14:15] always good to have [14:15] NVidia support acceleration 3D [14:15] eviljames, sure they can die, but others pick them up [14:15] DeeeeP: I'll agree to that. [14:15] in my factory we ave windows 2000 hi hi [14:15] y mayor resolucion 2300x1400 for example [14:15] xD [14:15] eviljames, a "stealth" TCP/IP patch from Kernel 2.2 I modified to work for 2.6 within a few minutes [14:16] stealth, eh? [14:16] eviljames, and i'm no developer or real programmer [14:16] S|ackwareX (n=a@189.187.202.108) left irc: [14:16] Necos, does what iptables DROP does when nothing is listening, stops sending replies for closed ports and such [14:16] But you play one on TV? [14:17] NthDegree, what u do then ? [14:17] eviljames, also what if you have a GeForce 2 MX 400? The legacy NVIDIA drivers that support that have serious problems and don't work properly on modern systems - nv works flawlessly with such hardware in comparison [14:17] NthDegree: ah, could you use that in conjunction with -j DROP? [14:17] NthDegree: driver nvidia not is free... [14:17] BP{k}: *boing* moooOOOOOOOOOOooooo ... Run away! [14:17] driver intel y matrox yes free [14:18] rob0++ [14:18] egrub, yes that is true, but "nv" is free and so is "nouveau" [14:18] nouveau support 3D? [14:18] no [14:18] resolution superior? [14:18] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [14:18] egrub, technically yes it allows you to do 3D, but it's unstable and you get no technical support for it [14:19] in short: only use nouveau if you are gonna use nv - it goes like this: [14:19] nvidia > nouveau > nv [14:19] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] yes [14:20] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl17-5.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:20] radeonhd es free [14:20] nouveau > nvidia [14:20] and bye [14:20] egrub, it only does what nv does, but a bit quicker for 2D with some basic hardware 3D support that is buggy and crashes often - software 3D is fine though (but is as slow as nv) [14:20] emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-84-222.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Camarade_Tux, if you're using KDE 4 with only 2D it sure is - outside of that it still has a long way to go for speed of 2D (and 3D) [14:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423357.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] hello everyone [14:21] Necos, you could, it would let you open holes in the firewall and the ports will still act as though they are firewalled till a service listens (is the logic) [14:21] sloinn (n=a@78.136.183.30) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423357.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:21] NthDegree: kde4 + vesa = speed high xD [14:22] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] Necos, since most firewalls DROP (Windows and OS X), but that isn't good behaviour [14:22] guys do you have the issues with pidgin ? [14:22] sloinn, what kinds of issues? [14:22] Hey Lord_Khelben, how are you? [14:22] I can't login few hours [14:22] my friends neither [14:22] hello fire|bird :) [14:22] 2.5.5 [14:22] sloinn, i'm logged in on MSN but I use the latest pidgin [14:22] sloinn: there were problems with earlier pidgin [14:22] I already tried 2.5.8 [14:22] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] due to some change in the identification servers or something like that [14:22] buT that was some time ago [14:23] sloinn, i'm not having any issues on MSN but I suspect if I logoff I won't get back on [14:23] NthDegree: where did you get that patch from? [14:23] I know...it started 5 hours ago, now I'm totally cut off [14:23] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] Necos, randomly googled and found some code and edited it once [14:23] oh... [14:23] I'm using icq only [14:23] linky? [14:23] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] i'd be interested in possibly porting it to 2.4 (or does it exist for 2.4?) [14:24] Necos, it's actually from 2.2 but you can make it work on 2.6 without too much trouble: http://www.energymech.net/madcamel/fm/stealth-2.2.17.diff [14:24] I just searched for the lines it changes and most of them are still identical - you can't directly apply it though [14:25] I manually went through and changed based on what was in the patch for mine [14:25] i see... [14:25] that said, I changed back recently because there's a downside [14:26] well, the box i'd like to play with this on is 2.4 [14:26] it also affects loopback and some apps expect TCP-RST otherwise they take 3 minutes to load [14:26] wow... lol [14:26] yikes [14:26] example is KDE checking if portmap is available [14:26] haha [14:26] well, if it's a firewall only box, there's no problem then [14:26] inconvenient to say the least [14:26] yeah, and you can work around it [14:27] my box in question is a 2.4 headless firewall box ;) [14:27] you can have iptables do a reject with tcp-rst for loopback ports that need to be checked by apps :P [14:27] i'd muck with it in a VM first [14:28] well, brb :) [14:28] also.. in the TCP/IP stack - if you change the define value in one of the headers of PROT_SOCK to 0 you lift the lame privileged port restriction (another thing I used to do) [14:28] though now we have file capabilities, so I just label files as I need it [14:29] ah, but that's a useful feature if controlled... means you could SOCK_RAW if needed [14:29] anywho, brb [14:29] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [14:29] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. 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[14:38] haha, nice. :) [14:38] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:39] fire|bird: hey man! who are you? [14:39] gar0t0: who am I? I am but a mere slackware user. :P [14:40] :~ [14:40] fire|bird: how are you [14:40] gar0t0: lol, doing great here man. you? [14:40] sorry [14:40] :P [14:40] fine :) much work here [14:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:41] o_O [14:42] Ah, Wizard, come to cast a spell? :D [14:42] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] sQuEE` (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:43] O_o [14:44] sorcerers > wizards :) [14:44] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:44] \o/ [14:44] nah [14:44] that's just a nick [14:44] :P [14:44] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:44] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Lord_Khelben: what about a phoenix? :P i.e. a firebird. :D [14:45] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] does anybody know if slackintosh is alive? [14:45] Wizard: I don't think it's been updated in a while, but I could be wrong. [14:45] fire|bird: phoenix-es are supposed to be very nice [14:46] fire|bird: so i'm gonna join mailing lists [14:46] maybe they need help [14:46] Wizard: cool. Their last update was for 12.0 on 2007 [14:46] needs help but i'm pretty sure there are telethons for that sort of thing... [14:47] s/telethon/slackathon/ :D [14:48] will that be in 13.0? [14:48] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:48] lol [14:48] haha [14:48] return_zero (n=zero@h15.63.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:48] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:48] Lord_Khelben: although not on it atm, dvorak is very nice. I've become a little faster on it. [14:48] P120 16MB RAM and 512MB of HD, will slackware fit in that thing? [14:48] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:49] fire|bird: dvorak is nice [14:49] only 512 of RAM? If it would fit, that'd have to be a very, very scaled down version of slack. [14:49] err. s/RAM/HD/ [14:49] guax: 512mb hd is a bit small [14:49] i.e. no X, well, almost no anything. [14:49] sako (n=sako@rrcs-64-183-104-107.west.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Pa^3 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:49] i guess without x enviroment and absolute minimum apps maybe it could fit [14:50] hey guys, any tips in securing a server? [14:50] actualy a base X with vesa to make a photoframe is more than enough [14:50] im reading about fail2ban, denyhosts [14:50] any suggestions between those? also thinking bout changing the standard port for ssh [14:50] guax: you're making a photo frame with it? [14:51] not me, but my friend ask if slackware would fit so he can make one, seems to be an old notebook [14:52] guax: Well, that might work, but plan on storing the photos someplace other than the hd. :) 512 for HD won't leave much, if any, breathing room for anything. [14:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:53] sQuEE (n=narya@host185.201-253-139.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] guax: hey little bitch :) [14:53] fire|bird, dont think the display can handle more than 800x600, perhaps 640x480 [14:57] guax: heh, it could work, you'd have to leave alot of stuff out, but, just don't have high hopes that it will work and work great. Those specs aren't much to go on. [14:57] hope never dies [14:57] uaehua [14:57] good point. :) [14:57] i have the impression that the old 4mb ram limitation was increased at some point [14:57] but i can't remember so i may be way wrong [14:58] the readme says huge kernel needs 64mb ram but doesn't mention anything about the generic [14:58] Dominian (n=dominian@mail.slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] guax: It could be you could use an older version of slack too. iirc, even back to 8.1 is still supported. [14:58] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:59] fire|bird, a weekend compiling kernel and managing packages could do with latest versions [14:59] yeah those would be better from a hard disk usage point of view [14:59] if 2.6.27 can run in my jornada 690, it can make that photoframe =P [14:59] guax: lol, yeah, it probably can. :) [15:00] if vbox wasn't crawling on my box i would try a "minimal" slack install to tell you how much 12.2 needs [15:00] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:00] why is vbox crawling? [15:01] i don't know. with windows guests it works almost at native speed [15:01] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.13.60) left irc: Success [15:01] but linux/bsds are very slow compared to native [15:01] what version? [15:01] every version [15:01] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:01] yikes [15:01] now i have 3.0.something [15:01] yeah, 3.0.2 was just released the other day. [15:02] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [15:02] fire|bird, wild guess... video support for host? [15:02] Wow. So Qwest was supposed to be at my house between 8-12pm today to install the intertubes. It's 1pm right now... still not qwest. So i call them and they tell about how i was scheduled for 8-12pm but that the guy isn't scheduled to be at my house until freaking 2pm!?! wtf.. [15:02] gtl: possibly. [15:02] agentc0re1: oh that sucks. [15:02] luckily enough I managed to get the software I work with running on -current [15:03] agentc0re1: Is it a new guy that doesn't know what he's doing and is way behind? :P [15:03] vm are not an option for me atm [15:03] why is the guy 6-4 hours late than the company's schedule ? [15:04] fire|bird: Who knows. [15:04] Lord_Khelben, you need to add in the guest additions [15:04] NthDegree: yeah i know that. i didn't mean X is slow or something. even the install goes slowly [15:04] way before the additions are needed [15:04] also it's based around QEMU but has some improvements to the virtualisation side of things [15:05] agentc0re1: heh, I suppose the next thing will be, he doesn't show up at all today, you call them back, and it'll get rescheduled. :P [15:05] so you need kernel 2.4 for it to be quick [15:05] agentc0re1: at least he will come [15:05] here they come every friday [15:05] and the "equipment setup fee" is 50 eur [15:05] as 2.4 is quicker than 2.6 on QEMU (and VirtualBox by extension) [15:05] so 50 eur for plugging the dsl router in a power outlet and connecting the ethernet cable to the card [15:05] and FreeBSD sucks monkey nuts on virtualisation software [15:05] fire|bird: Ya, but i had to take work off. And work just moved me from Salary to Hourly, so i got screwed today. [15:06] ouch [15:06] so now i have to use a vacation day for this BS. [15:06] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:06] it's due to how it uses the features of CPUs in unusual ways to get its performance methinks [15:06] telethons :/ [15:07] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:07] agentc0re1: So, you didn't have the intertubes at your house before now when they'll install? [15:08] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:08] no, i have comcrap. but qwests fiber internet is in my area now, so we're switching. i'll have a 20Mb down and 5Mb up. [15:08] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:08] nice [15:08] very much so. [15:09] compared to my 6down 1up with comcrap. [15:09] Qwest, althought they send by mail all that promotional stuff, doesn't service this area with DSL, according to their site, yet that's who the phone is with. what the.... :P [15:09] or their other Internet services I don't belive. [15:09] 20mb down/5mb up true speed ? [15:10] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] if yes then its nice :) [15:10] Lord_Khelben: What he doesn't know, is that once it's hooked up, we'll secretly share his connection. :) [15:10] crap, did I say that out loud. dang, no more secret. :P [15:10] i have a 24mb/1mb but i download with max 200kb/sec [15:11] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Lord_Khelben: hopefully. [15:11] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@Wikimedia/Neo-The-User) joined ##slackware. [15:11] is there a way to build a slack64 disc yourself? [15:11] fire|bird: lets move next to his house :) [15:12] Lord_Khelben: will do, we have to find his house first though. Google maps don't fail me now. :) [15:12] Neo_The_User: you can download the slackware64-tree and then run mkisofs to make a bootable dvd disk [15:12] ....cd? [15:12] there are instructions in the isolinux/ folder on how to do it [15:12] i only have cds [15:12] oh nice [15:12] Neo_The_User: gentoo [15:12] Neo_The_User: yes cds too [15:12] sako: no [15:12] but you must split the tree in 3-4 cds [15:12] heh, good luck. My half circle street has two names and my neighbor across the street has the same house number as me. [15:12] gentoo has emerge. i hate emerge [15:12] i want to compile everything myself [15:12] emerge [in bed] [15:13] My hands = package manager [15:13] agentc0re1: haha, seriously? How many mail mixups has that caused? :P [15:13] :) [15:13] fire|bird: We had comcast shut our cable off once because of it. [15:13] well i have 1 dvd [15:13] :) thanks Lord_Khelben [15:13] is patrick volkerding ever in here? [15:14] agentc0re1: Hmm, I'm looking on Google Streetview. Is that you in the rubber ducky boxers, pink slippers, and bath robe? :P [15:14] :) if you have any questions feel free to ask [15:14] Neo_The_User: he was here yesterday. [15:14] Took them forever to figure out because it wasn't labeled correctly in their box. [15:14] oh cool [15:14] lawlz [15:14] fire|bird: ...Maybe.. [15:14] haha [15:14] @fire|bird [15:14] Neo_The_User: Yup, you missed him yesterday. [15:14] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [15:14] whats the best mirror as far as QUALITY goes for slackware dls [15:14] ? [15:15] oregon state? [15:15] utah [15:15] agentc0re1: How in the heck did it end up that way anyway, two names and two same house numbers? :P [15:15] ah [15:15] thx [15:15] fire|bird: idiots rule the world, remember? [15:15] true, unfortunately true. :) [15:16] Imagine if Slackware users ruled the world. :) Things would be run simpler and anything could be fixed. :) [15:17] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [15:17] mixups with streets is a common thing in all countries [15:17] oh 1 more thing [15:17] my dad has an arm comp and he wants slack 4 arm [15:17] how do i get it? any readmes? [15:18] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Neo_The_User: I'm sure there's some. ARMEDSlack has it's own web page [15:18] www.armedslack.org [15:18] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) left ##slackware. [15:18] Hey PiterPunk, how are you? [15:18] eviljames2 (n=james@207.81.152.66) joined ##slackware. [15:18] fire|bird: Hi! I am fine [15:18] so are you like married? [15:19] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:19] ^you two [15:19] oh great! After saying yesterday that I hadn't had any downtime in 2 years .. I'm down! [15:19] PiterPunk: :D [15:19] eviljames2: you must have kicked the server way to hard this time. :P [15:19] haha :) be careful what you say :P [15:19] What is an example of a difference that we would see if slackware users ruled the world? [15:20] pi31415: The police would make you write your own speeding tickets. [15:20] pi31415: world will work. [15:20] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:20] eviljames: in other words, we would get coffins instead of speeding tickets? [15:20] People would round pi properly, rather than truncating it at 4 decimal places. [15:20] PI IS EXACTLY 3 [15:21] ! [15:21] Action: aceofspades19 ducks [15:21] aceofspades19: in the Ankh Morpork post office it is. [15:21] rob0: i am a slackware user [15:24] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.209) joined ##slackware. [15:24] i ran rsync \ --exclude '*/source/*' \ --delete -Pavv \ ftp.armedslack.org::armedslack/armedslack-12.2 and it didn't download [15:24] where does it store it? [15:25] what did it do, just go back to prompt, or did it look like it downloaded and you can't find it? [15:25] FYI: noobfarm.org is down until further notice [15:25] it looked like it downloaded for like 10 secs and i cant find it [15:25] Dominian: ok. [15:25] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:26] and if I do get it back.. there will more than likely be some data loss [15:26] Dominian: Why? Can't you get it up? [ in bed ] [15:26] fire|bird: do you know what happened? [15:26] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Action: Dominian slaps rob0 [15:26] rob0: hahaha [15:26] Thanks, I ... needed that. [15:26] it created /export/armedslack [15:27] [ in bed ] [15:27] Neo_The_User: not sure. I'm sure it'd download for more than 10 seconds. [15:27] Action: fire|bird hits rob0 with a trout. [15:27] ok ill post pastebin [15:28] http://pastebin.ca/1495043 [15:28] it did that for like 10 secs then stopped [15:29] Dominian (n=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) got netsplit. [15:29] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) got netsplit. [15:29] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) got netsplit. [15:29] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.102) got netsplit. [15:29] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit. [15:29] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) got netsplit. [15:29] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) got netsplit. [15:29] initself (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) got netsplit. [15:29] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) got netsplit. [15:29] failers (i=asdfsadf@c-51ae71d5.106-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) got netsplit. [15:29] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-65-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. 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[15:33] Neo_The_User: My guess, by looking, is that you got everything there, but wait for someone who can say for sure. [15:33] fire|bird: Newp. [15:35] Wizard (n=wziuuuuu@gentoo/user/wizard) got lost in the net-split. [15:35] Dominian (n=dominian@mail.slackadelic.com) got lost in the net-split. [15:35] Neo_The_User: if i read correctly your command [15:35] you don't have a destination directory [15:35] so it just printed the file list [15:35] that is why it was so quickly [15:36] try the same command but put a folder in the end for example myarmedslack [15:36] Lord_Khelben: :P, gosh darn, I should have noticed that. :P [15:36] phroggy (n=phroggy@webwizardry.net) left irc: "perl -e"push @x,ord()-32 for split'','Z=!;g&7?<:*5gI5:>oO&:;- c';split'','phroggy'x4;print chr^shift @_ for @x,109"" [15:36] if it prints the same but goes more slowly then i am correct [15:36] else it is something else [15:37] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-b8d8e6fdcb89c86f) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] hahaha [15:37] i like that perl quit ^^ [15:37] I hate perl. [15:38] Look how fugly that code is. [15:38] #!/usr/bin/env python [15:38] import QUITIRCLOSER [15:38] QUITIRCLOSER.quit() [15:38] Dominian (n=dominian@mail.slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [15:38] am i the only one that didn't understand the perl code ? :) [15:38] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-10-28.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Lord_Khelben: no. :) [15:39] Perl code is write-only. [15:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:39] heya fred [15:39] hi [15:39] even zsh-fu is easier understandable than this perl-fu : [15:39] hello fred [15:39] zsh ftw!!!! [15:39] helloool [15:39] :) [15:40] fire|bird: yes. no comparison with bash [15:41] Lord_Khelben: agreed. :) [15:41] force of habit, half the time that I go to type zsh I type zfs and then delete it... [15:41] lol [15:41] except for zmv which i hate [15:41] Probably 72.66666666...% of the time, actually. [15:41] will the next slack be 13 or 14 lool [15:41] 13 [15:41] you need 3 science deegrees to use it :P [15:42] Lord_Khelben: haha [15:43] especially modifiers/qualifiers are very nice [15:44] for i in /etc/rc.d/*; do if [ -x $i ]; then becomes for in /etc/rc.d/*(x) [15:45] slack uses rc.d/ and not init.d/? [15:45] i did not know this [15:46] yes, slack uses rc.d [15:46] slack uses bsd style init script [15:46] for a long long time [15:46] unless you made a joke about what i said :P [15:49] Lord_Khelben: exact command for an example? [15:49] Neo_The_User: command about what ? [15:49] rsync [15:50] Nick change: Wizard_ -> Wizard [15:50] rsync --exclude '*/source/*' --delete -Pavv ftp.armedslack.org::armedslack/armedslack-12.2 myarmedslack [15:50] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:29) joined ##slackware. [15:51] rsync works like cp. rsync options source destination [15:51] dude your a genius [15:51] you didn't mention any destination [15:51] rsync by default prints the files in the dir you mention so that you know what dir to choose next [15:51] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:52] or for other reasons. it always seemed to be it did it for this reason [15:52] br00tal (n=br00tal@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:29) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:52] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) joined ##slackware. [15:53] hello [15:53] OH [15:53] NOW ITS WORKING [15:53] usr: hi [15:53] hello usr [15:53] Neo_The_User: :) nice [15:54] Action: Neo_The_User loves geniuses [15:54] #!/bin/sh [15:54] DIALOG=Xdialog [15:54] $DIALOG --icon "/usr/share/icons/ftp.xpm"\ [15:54] Channel flood from usr -- kicking [15:54] --title "Tamanho das fontes" \ [15:54] --left \ [15:54] usr kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:54] have there been any issues with cups lately not being able to access localhost:631 in -current [15:54] slackboy: your fast with the kicks [15:55] ___very___ fast [15:55] slackboy = bot. [15:55] ohh [15:55] it uses slack thats why its fast :P [15:55] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) joined ##slackware. [15:55] bad [15:55] usr: dont flood [15:55] use pastebin [15:55] usr: there's this thing out there called pastebin. It resides at http://pastebin.ca and is very very useful. [15:55] eviljames2, nice way to put it [15:56] miss click [15:56] heh.. bad <- that's how I feel about most of my users. :P [15:57] Neo_The_User: I was considering http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pastebin [15:57] lol [15:58] hm nice. i didn't know lmgtfy.com i only knew justfuckinggoogleit [15:58] Lord_Khelben: lmgtfy.com = my favorite website. [15:58] eviljames2: LOL [15:58] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-220.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:59] yeah its better than the other because it shows the cursor moving and typing the word [15:59] eviljames2: next to timecube.com [15:59] Oh [15:59] agentc0re1: Of course, my mistake. [15:59] alter that fonts? [15:59] http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1939/fontes.jpg [15:59] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:00] alter* [16:01] Nice fonts!! [16:02] agentc0re1 no :( [16:02] help [16:02] slackware + blackbox [16:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [16:02] usr: what did you do to them? [16:02] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [16:02] echo $LANG [16:03] or, better: locale [16:03] hello [16:03] hi GATT0 [16:03] usr YES! [16:03] Square font FTW! [16:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:04] usr: what were you doing that caused this? setting something up, installing a pkg? [16:05] LC_ALL="es_ES" [16:06] Wizard [16:06] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) left irc: [16:06] hmm [16:06] Wizard LOCATE [16:06] ugh, pidgin SUCKS for irc. [16:06] the "fc-list" command shows fonts right ? [16:06] pidgin supports irc? [16:07] eviljames2: i would say for everything [16:07] all IMs suck for irc [16:07] and mozilla sucks for irc too [16:07] usr: run xfontsel [16:07] is slackware good for source compilers? [16:07] and check if there are any fonts [16:07] no using pidgin for irc. [16:07] slackware is the best for compiling source code [16:07] :) [16:08] Wizard know alter font? [16:08] fire|bird (n=quassel@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] nope :P [16:08] Neo_The_User: yes. Horribly. [16:08] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:08] check x.org logs for missing font paths [16:08] Nick change: fire|bird -> Guest41392 [16:08] Aha Neo_The_User... so you finally turned to the Cooler OS (tm) [16:08] ok, good night :) [16:08] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:09] Guest41392 (n=quassel@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:09] usr: try "fc-list" and see if it shows the fonts. also do ls /var/log/packages |grep font- [16:09] and see if the font packages are installed [16:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ Good god... :( [16:10] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:11] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.172.160) joined ##slackware. [16:12] hehe nice video [16:12] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [16:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] (gkrellm:3960): Pango-WARNING **: failed to choose a font, expect ugly output. engine-type='PangoRenderFc', [16:15] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] hey all, anyone got some tips for securing a webserver? [16:15] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:15] run all services as root [16:15] hey, guys. off-topic: anyone knows a free 32-bit server that offers ssh access WITH nasm ? gotta do this school work for tomorrow, and the code is almost done, but i can't run it on my slack64 [16:15] chmod 777 [16:15] so far i am changing the standard ssh port from 22 to some random port [16:16] damn, there are a lot of xfce pluigns in SBo [16:16] there's an app to install stuff from SBo, is that recommended? [16:16] Yes [16:16] great, you know the name? [16:16] sbopkg [16:16] Kaapa: Hey, you weren't here earlier but iirc you are an ff dev? [16:16] sbopkg [16:16] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) joined ##slackware. [16:17] eviljames2: no [16:17] eviljames2: I work at/for mozilla, but not as ff dev [16:17] br00tal: notice how noone laughed at your jokes.. or failed attempts at it [16:18] yeah, sorry about that [16:18] np [16:18] steiger: use a vm [16:18] Kaapa: ahh, was wondering how much furor there has been over the vulnerability posted today. [16:18] on a serious note, disable root ssh login [16:18] and switching ports is not a bad moce [16:18] move* [16:18] eviljames2: I'm not on that team, which one? [16:18] thank you sir.. [16:18] CtrlAltCa: i'm on the way of doing that. but my link is VERY slow (300k), and it will take something like 3 hours to get everything running. [16:19] Kaapa: Remote code exploit in TraceMonkey. I don't have all the links in front of me, but it looks bad.. [16:19] found it [16:20] http://secunia.com/advisories/35798/ [16:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] haven't heard a thing, but I know a new version was to be released soon, so surely will incorporate a fix [16:20] it's normal for that to appear in big releases [16:20] Nick change: fire|bird -> Guest63612 [16:20] so the clock's ticking for a fix to be on the streets :) [16:21] Nick change: Guest63612 -> fire|bird [16:21] Oh, absolutely, but after looking through the exploit code posted "somewhere" on the net, it looks like this will fall into the hand of script kiddies in short order. [16:23] Don't get me wrong, I'll bet that today alone there have been more exploits discovered in a certain closed-source OS than will be discovered in the next 3 months in FF. [16:24] makerc (n=makerc@200-158-30-91.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:24] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-10-11-20.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [16:24] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-64-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [16:25] eviljames2, yeah scroll down that page and look at last 3 hours worth [16:25] makerc (n=makerc@200-158-30-91.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] dive: hahah looks like I'd've won that bet [16:26] I hate the sshd-port-switch trick, but I have to admit, it makes the logs a LOT quieter. [16:26] rob0: No doubt... getting hammered by mainland china for a week straight fills up /var/log in short order. [16:26] it's not real security but it saves you many attempts [16:26] Personally, I think sshd should be configurable to trigger an event when under attack, but the openssh folks disagree. [16:27] how will it judge when its "under attack" ? [16:27] Well, yeah, isn't that more iptables domain? [16:28] automated stuff about security usually have many false positives [16:28] ppl help alter fonts software gtk... [16:28] number of new connection attempts and failed logins exceed a threshhold, should be pretty easy. [16:28] it could just turn off a port for some time after 10 failed login attempts [16:28] http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1939/fontes.jpg [16:28] iptables -m recent kind of makes up for this shortcoming [16:28] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [16:28] (for us Linux folk) [16:29] Indeed. It's 3 or 4 rules in iptables to deal with SSH Brute Force attacks. [16:29] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:29] usr: did you run the commands i mentioned some time ago ? [16:30] I like the idea of port knocking, but don't know quite how difficult it will be to set up for a production environment. [16:30] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] if the users are knowledgeable not much difficult [16:30] Elion (n=viva@adsl-211-43-166.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] it wouldn't be convinient though [16:31] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] Hi, I've loaded my Slackware 12.2 livecd in order to mount my Windows harddrives. My primary harddrive can be mounted but the second harddrive is failing to be mounted. The dmesg says something about NTFS being read-only. [16:31] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [16:32] help-me fonts? [16:32] So I tried to load ntfs module with modprobe but "ntfs" or "ntfs-ng" fails with "FATAL: Module not found." Any help please? [16:33] usr: you have me on ignore or something ? [16:33] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:34] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.172.160) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:34] Elion: there is no such thing as a Slackware 12.2 Livecd. [16:34] rworkman, Well, the distribution CD. :) [16:35] Oh, the installer. [16:35] rworkman, Yes. [16:35] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] to alter those fonts http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1939/fontes.jpg???? [16:35] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [16:36] usr: Scroll back and look for Lord_Khelben's statements to you. [16:36] Elion: well, I haven't played with the installer in a while, and I'm too lazy to do that or look into it now, but... I'm guessing the ntfs support isn't in the installer's kernel [16:36] in sbopkg, is there any option to upgrade what's outdated? [16:36] Kaapa: yes. [16:36] it wasn't much of a statement. i just told him to run fc-list and tell us if it finds any fonts [16:37] for starters since he didn't gave any info [16:37] Elion: that being the case, you *can* install the kernel-modules package off the install cd into the installer ramfs. [16:37] Kaapa: as root, sbopkg --> Updates. ;) [16:37] Elion: you'll also need module-init-tools and ntfsprogs and ntfs-3g and perhaps others. [16:37] since dmesg said it is read-only doesn't that mean that it mounted it [16:37] using the kernel way [16:38] and not the fuse way ? [16:38] Kaapa: be careful of the order it puts them in though. I don't belive it checks and puts them in the correct order, as in, a dep before what depends on that dep, etc. [16:38] so ntfs support should be in kernel [16:38] Elion: I sure thought that ntfs support (read only) was int he installer though [16:38] i may be wrong though [16:38] is slackware the most unix like distro? [16:38] (as Lord_Khelben is pointing out) [16:38] i hate distros like ubuntu that change the actual packages [16:38] Neo_The_User: prove to me that you understand "unix like" and I'll answer. [16:38] like changing source [16:39] define unix [16:39] i wills say Slackware is the best! (imo) [16:39] rworkman, Me too. [16:39] "Unix (officially trademarked as UNIX, sometimes also written as Unix with small caps) is a computer operating system originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs, including Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, Douglas McIlroy, and Joe Ossanna. Today's Unix systems are split into various branches, developed over time by AT&T as well as various commercial vendors and non-profit organizations." [16:39] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.38.209) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:39] lets goto wikipedia [16:39] Neo_The_User: copy and past eh? :) [16:39] Hey superGear [16:39] yes [16:40] this is snob city, man [16:40] Neo_The_User, change how? add patches? exclude some build option? [16:40] who's a snob? [16:40] plee: yes [16:40] illuz1oN` (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] The same is done on many other distro's too [16:40] if Slackware is like AT&T (listens in on your phone calls for terrorist activity) then no [16:40] yes thats why i hate them [16:40] ubuntu dosn't change the sources. [16:40] yes they do [16:41] Neo_The_User, Even on slackware, it's done [16:41] rworkman, Hmm... Is there a way I can get the networking work when I boot into the installer CD kernel? [16:41] well i meant Shitbuntu. not ubuntu [16:41] Elion: wired networking should "just work"; you need wireless too? [16:41] noobuntu, rather [16:41] as opposed to shitware [16:41] jesus. [16:41] rworkman, No, just wired, but I can't even ping. [16:41] RipVanWinkle, lol! [16:42] Neo_The_User, every distro has its place, calling it shitbuntu is childish :P [16:42] well it does suck [16:42] for you maybe [16:42] Elion: how did you get an ip address? [16:42] put IMO [16:42] not for the rest [16:42] go ahead and call me childesh [16:42] *i [16:42] All distros suck - some just suck more than others and in different ways. [16:42] ++rworkman; [16:42] lots of people like ubuntu, i am not one of them [16:43] ardya: you a advertiser for ubuntu? [16:43] Neo_The_User, and saying that you hate distro's for patching, and sometimes excluding features.. Then you should read up and learn a little.. [16:43] Figure out how you want to be sucked and pick the one that sucks *your* way. [16:43] Neo_The_User: are you a slackware fascist? [16:43] lol [16:43] rworkman, I haven't. I've just simply load the installer kernel. ifconfig only shows a localloop. I am using IRC from another station. [16:43] plee: no thats not why i hate then [16:43] *them [16:43] plee: im about customization and stuff [16:43] Elion: that's why it doesn't work. It will "just work" but not quite *that* just. [16:43] and slack you can build upon easily [16:43] Neo_The_User, I asked you, and you said yes [16:43] Build your own distro [16:44] Neo_The_User: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [16:44] i said yes to how its changed [16:44] NO! [16:44] Do that, tell us how it works for you, report back. [16:44] not lfs [16:44] Why not? I did it. [16:44] i have tried it [16:44] failed? [16:44] rworkman, Where do I go from here? [16:44] too much compiling [16:44] wayy wayy wayyyyy to much [16:44] use gentoo [16:44] nope [16:44] im gunna use slackware like it or not [16:45] :) [16:45] Elion: "dhcpcd eth0" [16:45] hahah... I did a LFS build, then started to work on how to I wanted to manage packages.. turned out I was just re-implementing pkgtools. I switched back to Slackware. [16:45] hehe [16:45] but pat may patch slackware's software [16:45] so you can't use slackware! [16:46] im fine with patches [16:46] perfectly fine [16:46] after all that work did LFS run any better than slackware? [16:46] and also excludes features [16:46] its when its modified in a stupid way [16:46] and im fine with excluded features [16:46] im fine with everything except how ubuntu looks and feels [16:46] :) [16:46] rworkman, Very well, now how do I get an IP? [16:46] good [16:46] RipVanWinkle: For some definition of better, sure.. but really (imho) Slackware is as close to LFS as you can get w/o actually doing LFS. [16:46] can yopu drop it now? [16:46] You can change the look [16:47] i know but i rather not [16:47] thats why there are > 100 distros out there. so everyone can use whichever he/she likes :) [16:47] Elion: *that* is how. [16:47] rworkman, Nothing is showing up on ifconfig eth0 interface. [16:47] Elion: well, assuming you have a dhcp server on your network. [16:47] superGear: why are you recommending anything but slack? [16:47] why wouldnt he? [16:48] slack aint a one size fits all [16:48] rworkman, I do get my IP through dhcp provided by the router but nothing shows up when a daemon is run. [16:48] i'm not recommending anything [16:48] im fine with that too [16:48] use gentoo [16:48] yes you are ;) [16:48] u should use anything but a pc [16:48] ;P [16:48] oh [16:49] so now you change what you said [16:49] Elion: check the cable; make sure you have the right interface; etcetera [16:49] whats next? use debian? [16:49] Use Debian. [16:49] HAHAHA! [16:49] haha [16:49] use Arch [16:49] Use anything that will make this annoying asshat conversation go somewhere else. [16:49] i love arch [16:49] rworkman: ++ [16:49] like i... love it! [16:49] Neo_The_User: since rworkman helps Elion lets suspend this offtopic conversation for a minute or two [16:49] or ever [16:50] what are the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS used to compile the packages in slack64? [16:50] -O2 [16:50] Elion, also make sure you tried dhcpcd instead of dhcpd [16:50] thats it? [16:50] just -O2? [16:50] I believe so [16:50] check a slackbuild [16:50] then what makes it different from the 32 bit version? [16:50] Neo_The_User: -fPIC too, I think. [16:51] right [16:51] nathanbw, Yes, I ran dhcpcd but no interface other than localhost is coming up. [16:51] it should be -march=x86_64 or something [16:51] Pretty sure GCC will work that out on its own. [16:51] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] the usual in slackbuilds is -O2 -fPIC then you can add anything you like [16:51] like -pipe -fomit-frame-point etc [16:51] -funroll-loops! [16:51] -march=x86_64 is the default i think [16:51] ok so... what are the techinal differences between slack64 and slackware regular? [16:51] Elion, cool, I was just asking as that's a mistake I've made before :-D [16:51] if you like more optimisation you can add something like --march=nocona for intel [16:52] ah so they do use -march=x86_64 [16:52] and similar for amd [16:52] ones 32bit ones 64bit [16:52] dhw (n=dhw@ip70-171-182-160.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:52] Neo_The_User: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=32+bit+vs+64+bit [16:52] no i know the difference [16:52] Elion, what does ifconfig -a tell you [16:52] im asking about slackware [16:52] then why ask? [16:52] stunix (n=stian@77.17.37.73.tmi.telenormobil.no) joined ##slackware. [16:52] why is -fPIC used in 64bit and not in 32bit ? [16:52] one stores libs in /usr/lib, and one does in /usr/lib64 [16:52] if someone knows [16:52] br00tal: thats all? [16:52] what's the channel for help names registeration? [16:52] haha, no, not really [16:53] plee, Only 127.0.0.1 loop. I don't have any module loaded. [16:53] #help ? [16:53] dhw: you mean registering a nick? #freenode [16:53] then... whats the difference? what did the devs do different from slack64 and regular slackware? [16:53] oh that was hard :P [16:53] essentially the difference is that binaries are compiled as either 32 or 64-bit binaries, and the libs are placed in their respective directories [16:53] Elion, have you installed the kernel-modules? [16:53] it was #freenode but #help takes you to it :) thank you [16:53] haha [16:53] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:54] br00tal: and the binaries were compiled to 64-bit through what process? changing the CXXFLAGS and CFLAGS? [16:54] I'm sure there's more to the story, but that works for me [16:54] yes [16:54] ahhh [16:54] Lord_Khelben: I'd imagine it has something to do with larger amounts of memory. [16:54] I am also having a problem installing slackware 12.2 using the install dvd [16:54] like I said, if you look at some SlackBuilds, you'll see the flags used [16:54] 64bit supports more memory than 32bit [16:54] ah ok thanks eviljames2 [16:55] ah right >4GB memory on 64-bit [16:55] I just hit enter to load the kernel but when it gets to ACPI: corereveason [16:55] ah ok so the flags were actually changed [16:55] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] it just sits there [16:55] and goes no futher [16:55] kind of need 64bit if you have more than 4GBs of RAM [16:55] plee, I'm running a stock kernel from the CD installer. I haven't really installed Slackware. I was trying to mount my windows drives to make a backup of certain folder which failed because of ntfs modul. Now I'm trying to see whether I can get the networking to work to copy the same folder through SSH. [16:55] I looked online for answers to this issue but found nothing so fara [16:55] i have 2.5 GBs RAM with core 2 duo [16:55] i have 4 GB [16:55] Elion, ok :) And what have you done so far? [16:55] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [16:55] slack sees 3.5 (default kernel) [16:56] ya have to build a new kernel to enables PAE and such [16:56] -s [16:56] anyone seen this problem before? [16:57] sako (n=sako@rrcs-64-183-104-107.west.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] dhw: have you tried with the different acpi options ? like acpi=ht acpi=off etc ? [16:57] check to make sure the DVD is good [16:57] to see if it goes away [16:57] and as Lord_Khelben says [16:57] all I have tried was acpi_pm_good but got nothing [16:57] should I still use hugesmp.s? [16:57] there are no 64-bit slackbuilds for me to check [16:57] hugesmp works on most cpus [16:57] plee, as rworkman suggested, ran dhcpcd to acquire an IP but apparently I don't have NIC module loaded because lsmod doesn't show any relevant module which is understandable because it's a kernel loaded from the installer CD. [16:58] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/source/ [16:58] or here's on directly: [16:58] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/source/ap/cdparanoia/cdparanoia.SlackBuild [16:58] ill give that a shot now [16:58] Elion, ok :) to get that too work, you should install the kernel-modules package :) Then you should get access too the nic driver [16:59] hello all you happy people [16:59] ugh [16:59] that sucks [16:59] no -march=x86_64 [16:59] ? [16:59] eviljames2: OMG that what is a browser video is horrible. [16:59] AnonymousRednek: We don't allow anonymous rednecks in here. All rednecks have to use their real names. [16:59] didn't we decide that GCC does that by default? [16:59] and.. back to archlinux. thanks guys though [17:00] plee, Right, but how? [17:00] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "leaving" [17:00] wait what? [17:00] rob0 is a redneck, but that's just a nick [17:00] agentc0re1: i had watched a video sometime ago where the reporter asked people what is the currency of france, tell me a country starting with u (usa) and they didn't know the answers [17:00] rob0: You ain't no redneck! :-) [17:00] I thought GCC added the -march=x86_64 by itself based off other flags [17:00] Alan_Hicks, too bad [17:00] so not knowing what a browser is, not so bad :) [17:01] but I guess I don't know for sure [17:01] Am too! [17:01] Alan_Hicks: BillyBobRednek? :P [17:01] Prove it. [17:01] I push a buggy in the market. [17:01] rob0: Well... ok, maybe your neck's a little pink. [17:02] I am trailer trash in the deep South. [17:02] rob0: Just show him proof. You still have that marriage certificate from you marrying your cousin, right? :P [17:02] Elion, you have the dvd right? [17:02] Alan_Hicks, i was discussing the finer points of HOS with a safety manager [17:02] Elion: What exactly is the problem? You're trying to install Slackware over the network, but can't get network access in the installer? [17:02] plee, Yes. [17:02] AnonymousRednek: ok.... And that's supposed to mean what to me exactly? [17:03] Alan_Hicks, No, I'm trying to get a network working from the install Slackware w/o install Linux on top of my Windows. I just simply need to mount a drive and make a backup of my files through SSH. [17:03] Alan_Hicks, trucking jargon...sorry [17:03] nheco_ (n=nheco_nh@201-66-136-197.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:03] elion: use a rescue cd. [17:03] I have at least one non-functioning vehicle parked on my land. I have a broken toilet out in the front yard. [17:04] I think I out-redneck you in many ways, Alan_Hicks. [17:04] Elion: You mean you're trying to backup your Windows files using the Slackware install CD? [17:04] rob0: Yeah well, my toilet ain't broken, but it's a hole in the ground. Kinda hard to break those. [17:04] But it is air-conditioned in the winter time. [17:05] Alan_Hicks, Exactly. First mount my windows drives, then SSH them across the network. [17:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:05] Elion: Ok, but you can't get the installer to locate your NIC? [17:05] Alan_Hicks, No, no module is being loaded up. [17:05] agentc0re1: Which is why I had to say "good god..." afterward... the ignorance of the common user is astounding sometimes. [17:06] Elion: Ok, so what's the problem? [17:06] Alan_Hicks, I can't get the interface to come up because I don't have its module loaded and frankly don't know where I should get it. [17:07] Elion, make a dir under /mnt called cdrom, then you mount /dev/nameofcdrom to /mnt/cdrom and use installpkg to install the kernel-module package [17:07] Elion: I thought you just said the module was loaded?! [17:07] Alan_Hicks, No, it's not loaded. [17:07] Elion: Did you run the 'network' command? [17:09] Alan_Hicks, No. Where do I start? [17:09] Elion, the kernel-module package is then under /mnt/cdrom/slackware/a/ [17:09] Elion: On the command line... it's that little thing with the cursor... type 'network' and hit ENTER. [17:09] plee, How can I located my cdrom under /dev? [17:10] heh could have downloaded, used, fixed already using a rescue cd [17:10] plee: That shouldn't usually be necessary. Most of the common NIC modules should be in the installer and found by 'network'. [17:10] ardya (i=ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) left ##slackware ("have fun"). [17:10] Alan_Hicks, ok :) [17:11] Alan_Hicks, Excellent. :) Now if I can get ssh to work now. [17:12] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Elion, for that you need the ssh package, and that is on the dvd :) [17:14] fire|bird: oh, I didn't realize it had a curses interface! [17:14] I belive I know what to do now [17:14] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [17:14] csokol (n=csokol@labmap.ime.usp.br) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [17:15] Kaapa: :), yes, it does. There's also sbopkg -c, but that'll just show the list of updates. [17:15] plee, Yes, but I resolved the issue. I had to restart my hdcpcd to get a new address. Now I can SSH. [17:15] :) [17:16] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-220.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl17-5.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [17:16] XandriX2 (n=xandrix@dsl-134-193.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:17] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:21] something filled up my '/,' but there is not much on there.... [17:21] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) left irc: "BitchX: to the rescue!" [17:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wptRenRWRQw lol, (rated G) [17:22] agris (n=agris@mail.biko.lv) joined ##slackware. [17:22] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1629 2009-07-14 19:45 TLS_LICENSE [17:22] I am going to have to format '/' and reinstall [17:23] skepsi (n=skepsi@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [17:23] plee, Alan_Hicks, rworkman, nathanbw: In no particular order, thank you. [17:24] can anybody post the official readme for building a slack64 iso thingy? [17:24] Elion, np [17:26] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.198) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:27] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:27] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [17:27] Neo_The_User: the info you need is in the README.TXT file in isolinux directory [17:27] ah [17:27] :) [17:28] iso thingy? [17:28] iso image [17:28] y0 chopp [17:28] though i'm not sure if a DVD will be enough to contain everything.... [17:29] lol [17:29] i have a blank blu-ray disc [17:29] dual layered [17:29] oh right.. then you should be alright :p [17:29] meaning 50 GB [17:29] hey fire|bird, how goes it? [17:29] I don't think you'll need more than 5GB [17:29] chopp: goes excellent, thanks. you? There's a storm headed this way. :) [17:30] It's around 50 miles away atm, yet I can hear the thunder. :) [17:30] Neo_The_User: a DVD will surely be enough if you omit sources [17:30] fire|bird: I'm good thanks, and you need to move. :P [17:30] haha [17:30] chopp: where? [17:30] Canada? [17:31] fire|bird: sure why not. :) and how did everything work out from last night? [17:31] chopp: great, everything's fine and dandy. :) [17:32] right on [17:32] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009039119.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:32] chopp: my boot is still slow though, 47 seconds. I have to get it faster. :P [17:32] agris (n=agris@mail.biko.lv) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:32] slamd64 works great for me, but I wonder how is slack64 doing now [17:33] slack64 rules [17:33] it's very fast and bug-free [17:33] I'm excited for the stable release [17:34] sounds great [17:34] did Mr. Volkerding write this? http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/isolinux/README.TXT [17:34] fire|bird: I boot my boxen so infrequently that fsck takes over anyway [17:34] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:34] it also deserves to be mentioned that the new .txz package format is a huge improvement IMHO [17:34] Neo_The_User: probably [17:35] kewl [17:35] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-134-193.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:35] is it possible to install flash in slackware because i tend to come across flash porn sites :/ [17:35] ...... [17:35] lol [17:35] of course it is [17:35] I must admit ... points for being just plain honest. [17:35] well.. you can install flash [17:36] oh cool [17:36] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip72-198-122-202.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] BP{k}: haha no doubt hey :P [17:36] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [17:36] Linux+porn=sweet because no viruses [17:36] chopp: :) [17:37] i dont get viruses in windows either [17:37] I'm not saying you do, but lots of idiots do [17:37] ajb (n=ajb@adsl-99-190-80-101.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:38] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [17:38] well... linux isn't really idiot-proof. though it's much better than mswin [17:38] agreed [17:39] I'm looking at making my torrent downloads more automated, so does anyone know if bittorrent or bittornado supports being launched to background without screen? [17:40] with more sloppy coders and badly written apps coming to linux, we'll see many users complaining about viruses and such [17:40] why not use screen? [17:40] no OS in the world is idiot proof, but Linux does offer those of average intellience a better OS than what is available on most desktops [17:41] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [17:42] plee: you can use *headless [17:42] straterra, I've not looked at screen enough to find out if I can set it up to auto-detach.. My thought is too make a directory that I upload my torrent files to, and add a cron job to the whole thing that starts the download and such :) [17:42] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] what about rtorrent? [17:42] mako-sama, screen or bittorrent/bittornado ? [17:43] it can watch a directory for new torrents [17:43] br00tal, I'll look at that one too :) [17:43] and do lots of fun things [17:43] and it's an ncurses app [17:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [17:44] I rarely use torrents. but when I do, I use aria2 or the regular bittorrent client. [17:44] Pig_Pen: yes there is... windows is idiot proof... they put use idiots to build and then proof it (as in test it) :) [17:45] br00tal, looks nice :) I'll read up on it, looks like it might do the trick :) [17:45] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-109-248.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] yeah, it's a very powerful, light weight application [17:46] csokol (n=csokol@labmap.ime.usp.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:46] I've used it for some time, and I'll never use anything else [17:47] @br00tal what app are you talking about? [17:47] plee: bittorrent/bittornado also comes with btcompletedir I think that can monitor and download new torrents as they are added [17:47] phreak: rtorrent [17:48] oh when you install stuff in slackware, remove it, and install it again, does it save all your crap? [17:48] or not... that one creates torrents [17:48] cuz i hate that ubuntu remembers everything [17:48] Oh haven't tried it. I'll check it out [17:48] skepsi (n=skepsi@94.127.129.34) left irc: Client Quit [17:48] it won't remove certain changed files [17:48] Neo_The_User: it doesn't touch the configs in your home directory [17:49] but you can always go and delete them manually, since whilst deleting you get a list of the files/dirs being deleted [17:49] @Neo sometimes it remembers certain conf files if you modified them before uninstalling [17:49] ...great] [17:50] but that seems pretty standard from distro to distro [17:50] ahhh [17:50] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [17:51] if you want an app to forget your settings, delete it's directory from your home directory (i.e. .brasero or .application) [17:51] Yeah its a bit annoying, but its not that hard to go around and delete leftover stuff manually [17:51] you can always make a .bash_logout remove the files you dont want to keep at logout time [17:51] stunix (n=stian@77.17.37.73.tmi.telenormobil.no) left irc: "leaving" [17:53] ajb (n=ajb@adsl-99-190-80-101.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] Pig_Pen: Yeah, like ~/.mozilla/pr0n_cache [17:55] Well, I'll let the torrent search rest until the morning :) Now it's time for bed for me.. Night guys [17:55] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:56] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:56] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [17:56] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:57] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [17:57] anyone have any ideas when 13.0 will drop? [17:58] When it's ready (tm) [17:58] i'm asking people to speculate, tia [17:58] colonel_panic: saturday. [17:58] The year 2012. [17:58] rollingsmiley.gif [17:58] 13 will be released on October 31 [17:58] thanks, buddies [17:59] What do I win if I'm right? [17:59] a slap [17:59] n00dz of me [17:59] rob0: two coconut halves [18:00] you can slap the coconut halves togehter and pretend your riding a horse [18:00] How did you get them? [18:01] they could have been carried [18:01] a sparrow brought them [18:01] A swallow?!? [18:02] yeah [18:02] After Slack 13, will pkgtools, gzip, tar, xz, and slackpkg no longer be *.tgz's? [18:02] What -- a swallow carrying a coconut? [18:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:03] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CD6DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:03] I guess that will be related to whether upgrades from <13.0 to >13.0 are supported. [18:04] noizze (n=noise@p549CDDF9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] It could grip it by the husk! [18:04] It's not a question of where he grips it! [18:04] nathanbw: gzip will still use .gz, tar will still use .tar, xz will still use .xz, and thus will slackware packages be .txz if compressed with xz and .tgz if compressed with gzip [18:05] It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut. [18:05] I have normally made a partition for /boot, is this also a good idea for slackware? [18:05] what is the air speed velocity of a swallow carrying a coconut [18:05] but yes, the default package format will be .txz for space reasons [18:05] afk [18:05] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.63.17) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:05] Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right? [18:06] Pig_Pen: What do you mean? An African or European swallow? [18:06] macavity, yeah I meant the package names, not files compressed with :-D Right now those packages are the only one still using tgz. [18:06] Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That's my point. [18:06] But then of course a-- African swallows are non-migratory. [18:06] But then of course African swallows are not migratory [18:06] bah. [18:06] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] So, they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway... [18:07] NthDegree: I prefer nouveau to nvidia for two reasons : easier to deal with when upgrading the kernel (and doesn't mess with mesa files), and it's better at connecting external displays [18:07] rob0: what if they carried it together? [18:07] No, they'd have to have it on a line. [18:07] BP{k}: held under the dorsal guiding vane, you mean? [18:07] StevenR_: Why not? :) [18:08] nheco__ (n=nheco_nh@200-96-100-157.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:09] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [18:09] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:12] what is with the (tm) stuff [18:12] example: When it's ready (tm) [18:12] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:12] Nobody likes trademark infringement. [18:12] Neo_The_User: that's the offical, trademarked response. Slackware is released when it's ready. [18:12] ah [18:12] well... i'll be sure to not violate that [18:12] there are no release maps, etc. [18:13] if i violated the copyright of When it's ready would i get sued? [18:13] When it's ready is trademarked, not copyrighted.. It's a different type of infringement :P [18:13] right [18:13] Neo_The_User: no, just mauled by bears. [18:14] chris_lenz123 (n=chris@S0106001217e2c80e.ok.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] anondaemon (n=anondaem@adsl-76-236-66-216.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] Slackware (TM) Slackware (R) or what? [18:14] ok [18:14] so i got insane help from you guys yesterday [18:14] i wonder if i can get more help [18:14] anondaemon, good [18:14] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [18:14] anondaemon, doubtfully [18:14] jk [18:14] lol [18:14] when creating a new user, what is the initial group? [18:15] anondaemon: well, we won't know until you ask :) [18:15] pardon me for not googling enough [18:15] users [18:15] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:16] what does it mean? [18:16] initial group is what ever you tell it to be, in slackware this defaults to "users". [18:16] There are a few default groups [18:16] what does it mean that users is the initial group? [18:16] what do you mean? Are you asking what groups are? [18:16] /topic, http://slackbook.org -- might help you [18:16] Action: BP{k} lobs a scimitar at rob0 [18:17] mmm...slicey [18:17] nheco_ (n=nheco_nh@201-66-136-197.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [18:17] And thine enemy, being naught in My sight, shall snuff it. Amen. [18:18] also [18:18] and [18:18] every time i create a new user [18:18] and i try "xinit" [18:18] i'm at a black screen [18:18] with a filled white rectangle at the top right [18:18] <.<; [18:19] being a nub [18:19] 22:16 < rob0> /topic, http://slackbook.org -- might help you [18:19] i'm not sure how to go about fixing this [18:19] did you try startx? [18:19] you sir are a genius [18:19] =) [18:19] all is well now [18:19] thank you [18:19] BP{k}: pointy end first? [18:19] there are many here who would disagree with that statement [18:20] :) [18:20] Which one? You being a genius, or all being well now? [18:20] genius [18:20] both [18:20] right [18:20] what's the difference between xinit and startx? [18:21] good question lol [18:21] well, startx works [18:21] Action: dive runbs [18:21] ohh a runba [18:21] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:21] =_= [18:21] another problem i'm having [18:22] for a user to be able to use sudo [18:22] i add them to the wheel group right? [18:22] nope [18:22] you need to setup sudo [18:22] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@72.44.171.82) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:22] shall i google it then? [18:22] CcSsNET (n=root@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] Action: rob0 resists the urge [18:23] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:23] su works just fine :p [18:23] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] you can also do it by adding them to the wheel group and editing the /etc/sudoers file and uncommenting the %wheel line [18:24] anondaemon, 'man visudo' [18:24] it's telling me that i'm modifying a readonly file [18:24] but let's not, and say we did :P [18:24] even though i'm logged in as root [18:24] and 'man sudoers' [18:24] then open it as root [18:24] oh [18:24] sorry i didnt see that [18:25] anondaemon, 'man visudo' [18:25] and 'man sudoers' [18:25] thank you [18:25] very much [18:25] =) [18:25] ok i've been asking around and i cant find anything about slackware that sucks [18:25] wretched (n=wretched@101-216.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:25] what are the downs of slack? [18:26] Not many, if you're the right person. Lots, otherwise. [18:26] hmm ok now my last question [18:26] Hey does anyone else's X server randomly crash from time to time? [18:26] can i compile KDE 4.3 rc2 on slackware 64? [18:26] the answer is 42 [18:26] Neo_The_User: no dependency tracking can be a stickler [18:27] phreak, drivers probably [18:27] Neo_The_User: that depends. [18:27] If 4.3 rc2 can be compiled on other modern distros..most likely yes [18:27] Neo_The_User: perhaps you want to ask "is it technically possible to compile KDE 4.3rc2 on slackware64" [18:27] is it technically possible to compile KDE 4.3rc2 on slackware64 [18:27] phreak, which card and driver are you using? [18:27] Neo_The_User: Yes and no. [18:28] i have an intel card using the i810 drivers [18:28] XGizzmo: can you elaborate? [18:28] phreak, 12.2 or 13rc1? [18:28] 12.2 [18:29] 13RC1?!??!?!!?!??!?!?!!!?!!?!!/!?!??!?!?/!??!/!/!?!?!!?/1?//!/!?!??!?!/!/1/!??????!????!?!???! [18:29] where can i get that? [18:29] what did I start now... [18:29] the question marks, slashes and exclamation marks? [18:29] why are you shouting Neo_The_User ? [18:29] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [18:29] lmao [18:29] yes it can be done, but it is not easy. if you have to ask then most likley no you cant. [18:29] Neo_The_User, /topic is your friend [18:29] ah [18:30] so if i build a slack64 iso, i get 13rc1 :) [18:30] I use slackware to play bzflag [18:31] phreak: whats funny? [18:31] phreak, rworkman started a thread on lq.org about the intel drivers in 13rc1. He is probably a good person to ask about the drivers in 12.2 too I think [18:31] phreak: or you can build from git [18:32] Neo, when Blue said 'what did i start now...' [18:32] oh [18:32] phreak, I had all sorts of X crashes and lockups with 12.1, but I have not experienced any on 12.2 [18:32] phreak: http://neo-technical.wikispaces.com/intel-graphics [18:33] mesa seems to be the root of allot of the X lookups. [18:33] lockups [18:33] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [18:34] that guide fixes a lot of stuff [18:34] yeah i get lockups at least once every time i log on [18:34] Thanks guys [18:34] phreak: did you see the link? [18:34] noobfarm down! [18:34] Yeah Neo, thanks [18:34] :) [18:35] down with noobfarm [18:35] noobfarm? [18:35] Dominian is still trying to get it up. [18:35] [ in bed ] [18:35] heya, sorry for lame question :) I've got ~ 6h to configure MDA.. what is fastar to configure? :/ [18:35] rob0: don't talk about erections [18:35] rob0: That's what she said. [18:35] rob0: well its gota VFS sync error on it [18:35] rob0: maybe he needs viagra. [18:35] i.e. which one [18:36] If I can't get it fixed by the weekend.. I'll migrate the backed up data I have to my linode [18:36] MadMoney (n=madmoney@cpe-24-93-138-183.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:36] MadMoney (n=madmoney@cpe-24-93-138-183.maine.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [18:36] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:36] BP{k}, lol [18:37] Lovecraft (n=Lovecraf@er106.ips.PaulBunyan.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=Elektro@77.27.254.204) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] Dominian, if you don't get it fixed by the weekend, you're going on noobfarm [18:38] well, not much of a threat is it... [18:38] ;) [18:38] DELETE [18:38] :D [18:38] i feel stupid [18:38] i'm having the same problem i did yesterday [18:38] T____T [18:38] how does i connect to the intarweb? [18:38] i did [18:38] stop feeling stupid, snow white is getting jealous [18:38] ifconfig wlan0 up [18:38] then [18:38] Elektro (n=Elektro@77.27.254.204) joined ##slackware. [18:38] iwconfig wlan0 essid blah key blah2 [18:39] is there something i'm missing? [18:39] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Dominian, they lock you in and flog you with a whip made of RMS's hair. [18:39] bodgit (i=1000@cpc1-clif4-0-0-cust553.nott.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] anondaemon, is there some special reason for running tha command manually, rather than using the provided script /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1? [18:39] Lovecraft: well shit.. we can't have that [18:40] i'm a nub [18:40] Thats what she said [18:40] anondaemon: Again. wicd. [18:40] T____T [18:40] but if i AM able to connect using the tools i already have [18:40] i'd like to learn how to use them [18:41] I respect that. But wicd will stop you from pulling your hair out in the meantime. [18:41] oh! [18:41] rhys (n=rhys@cpe-75-185-191-55.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:41] i'm stupid [18:41] what was that dhcp thing? [18:41] you mean dhcpcd (dhcp Client Daemon) [18:42] yes [18:42] =) [18:42] anondaemon, try running pkgtool as root, choose setup, put a * next to netconfig and press enter [18:42] then fill in the details [18:42] will keep that in mind [18:42] then run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start [18:44] and it does everything for meh? [18:44] grawr [18:44] i'd rather not have things done for meh [18:44] i'm enjoying this struggling [18:44] =D [18:44] well by asking us you're getting us to do it for you [18:44] more or less [18:44] Which, of course, we all appreciate in this channel.. but there are tools out there to make your life easier (ie: MAN) [18:44] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-126-219-69.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] i am using man [18:45] also [18:45] perhaps reading the scripts themselves will be enlightening as well, to figure out how things are called, what options, what order, etc. [18:45] new internet: http://www.speedtest.net/result/517495073.png [18:45] i'im not just having you do it for meh [18:45] i'm logging the convo [18:45] so i can studies it later [18:45] ^___^ [18:46] agentc0re: not bad at all! [18:46] in that case edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf by hand and do /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start [18:46] i'm digging the 4.63Mb up speed. :D [18:47] ok [18:47] agentc0re: totally.. I have 25 down, but 1-2 up. I think it's time for me to upgrade my plan! :P [18:47] Nick change: Elektro -> Elektro_{-_-}_ [18:48] Nick change: Elektro_{-_-}_ -> Elektro [18:48] tyvm dive [18:48] =D [18:48] does anybody here use an SSD with slackware? [18:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [18:49] solid state drive [18:49] No..but shouldnt be any different than any other sata drive [18:50] XandriX2 (n=xandrix@dsl-134-193.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:50] straterra, I USED TO TAKE THAT MEDICATION FOR MY ADHD!! [18:50] No you didn't. You took strattera [18:51] hey, what do you actually prefer - courier imap or dovecot? [18:51] thats what i said [18:51] what do you take for your shouting? [18:51] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:51] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-10-28.3g.claro.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [18:51] i dont shout [18:51] i speak loudly [18:51] and my opinion is you still need some med's of some sort [18:51] lol [18:52] thorozine [18:52] thorozine? wtf is that? [18:52] eviljames2: This is the new qwest fiber.. just got it in my neighborhood on june or july 1st, can't remember which one the tech said. [18:52] bodgit (i=1000@cpc1-clif4-0-0-cust553.nott.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:52] chopp: Seconded - motion carries. *bangs gavel* Any new business? [18:53] agentc0re: my cable co is supposed to roll out DOCSIS3.0 in my neighborhood soon. Supposed to be 100 down 10 up (obviously throttled, but who cares?) [18:53] eviljames2, Dominian broke noobfarm just when it's needed the most [18:53] Action: eviljames2 taps the tips of fingers together... excellent. [18:53] that's the other busines [18:53] wow! [18:53] nice! [18:53] Neo_The_User: I use in my Intel ClassmatePC. Nothing different at all. I only use ext2, disable atime and mount /tmp and parts of /var on memory [18:54] OH FORGOT TO ASK [18:54] i misspelled it, it is thorazine, thats what you need Neo_The_User [18:54] whats faster? ext2 or ext3? [18:54] agentc0re: In theory it's 300 Down and 100 Up but they're certainly not going to let people have that without big $! [18:54] probably ext2 [18:54] but ext3 is more reliable [18:55] im not about reliabliity [18:55] however you spell it [18:55] dive: i'm having the same problem using rc.inet1 as i am doing the thing manually [18:55] it gets timed out when it does the DHCP request [18:56] ='( [18:56] anondaemon, dont cry [18:56] cheer up buddy [18:56] Action: Neo_The_User gives cookie [18:56] ty [18:56] RE: ( Neo_The_User) "im not about reliabliity" we noticed that [18:56] is slackware good for people who are 16? [18:56] Action: anondaemon noms on cookie [18:57] im 16 [18:57] age is irrelevant [18:57] Pig_Pen, how'd you notice? [18:57] oh good [18:58] Neo_The_User: what are you currently using right now? [18:59] ubuntu only for 1 day. i used archlinux for 1 year [18:59] i hate ubuntu [18:59] how did you hear about Slackware? [18:59] Neo_The_User, slackware like most os's is for people who are willing to put the time in to learn [18:59] regardless of age [18:59] i looked for the earliest linux distro that is still supported [18:59] start by reading all the links in /topic [19:00] ummmm i hate docs [19:00] i write my own docs [19:00] veritos (n=veritos@pueo.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:00] for others [19:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] anyway peace out yall [19:00] HAVE A GREAT FLIPPING DAY / NIGHT WHATEVER! [19:00] you need to learn [19:00] to <3 the man pages [19:01] i need to learn how your mom does in bed. jk [19:01] lol [19:01] have fun with that [19:01] sometiems there is no time to read :) and only os available - slack :P [19:01] she's dead [19:01] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:01] sorry to hear [19:01] lol [19:01] xD [19:01] i'm kidding to make you feel bad [19:01] anondaemon you lie [19:01] Neo_The_User: ask your doctor for some thorazine, it will work wonders for you [19:01] oh! [19:01] i do lie [19:01] thats a old come back [19:02] occasionally [19:02] indeed it is [19:02] that bitch is better in bed dead :P [19:02] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:02] It effectively treats schizophrenia, severe mania in people with bipolar disorder, and uncontrollable hiccups. [19:02] i dont have any of those [19:02] im just hyper [19:02] homecable: are you Neo_The_User's sock puppet? [19:02] veritos (n=veritos@pueo.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:02] no [19:02] wtf dudes, why am I being bukkake'd with stupid? [19:02] i am neo [19:03] lol [19:03] because bukkake is hottt [19:03] jeeze [19:03] k im out [19:03] im too young to hear this [19:03] Neo you have dick in the ass hiccups [19:03] lol [19:03] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@Wikimedia/Neo-The-User) left irc: "neo-technical.wikispaces.com for general tech support" [19:03] haha [19:04] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.236) joined ##slackware. [19:04] we get rid of one idiot and in starts another, must be "crazy people visit ##slackware day" [19:04] Where's noobfarm when we need it?! [19:04] Damnation... [19:04] Actually, scratch that. I think noobfarm is for funny stuff... this hasn't qualified as such. [19:05] Who: homecable idle for: 5days 14hrs 59mins 18secs ; signed on: Wednesday, July 8 at 8:09:58pm. [19:05] noobfarm is for whatever passes the moderators approval :P [19:05] i been in here for 5 days [19:05] Pig_Pen: We got rid of jeev? [19:05] i use freebsd :P [19:06] chill [19:06] i need booze [19:06] freebsd makes you irc-addicted? [19:06] Pig_Pen i think your wife is the master hog [19:06] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@72.44.171.82) joined ##slackware. [19:07] agris no i have 9 servers :P [19:07] sloinn (n=a@78.136.183.30) left irc: "Leaving" [19:07] and none of them runs more that 5 daus? :D [19:07] man pages ftw [19:07] this is my windows box [19:07] [Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3 (5.1 - 2600)] CPU: [2-Intel Pentium 4, 3066MHz, 1024KB (0% Load)]. Uptime: [1wk 4days 15hrs 1min 18secs]. Record Uptime: [1wk 4days 15hrs 1min 18secs]. Video Card: [ NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT ]. ScreenInfo: [ 1024x768 32bit 85Hz ]. RAM [Usage: 478/2046MB (23.36%) ] -=KoG-Fu=- [19:07] i had to do a iwconfig wlan0 -F none [19:07] =D [19:07] Space Left On [ C: 443.03/465.75 GB. Total: 443.03/465.75 GB ] -=KoG-Fu=- [19:08] homecable: I think you should leave if you are going to make comments about people that like. [19:08] ddos me i have fiber :P [19:08] Who: homecable is i=open@206.225.143.78 using name: ipconfig. [19:08] Who: homecable is on: ##freebsd #centos @#zsuatt #gentoo ##slackware #debian #ubuntu. [19:08] Who: homecable using: grisham.freenode.net - Desc: Amsterdam, NL, EU. [19:08] Channel flood from homecable -- kicking [19:08] Who: homecable is a Services Root Admin. [19:08] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:08] Who: homecable idle for: 5secs ; signed on: Wednesday, July 8 at 8:09:58pm. [19:08] homecable kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:08] homecable (i=open@206.225.143.78) joined ##slackware. [19:08] ?????? [19:09] It would've been easier if you hadn't re-joined you know.. [19:09] :P [19:09] i have you get people pissed some how today [19:09] its just what i enjoy doing in life :P [19:09] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-134.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] you enjoy being a worthless human being? [19:10] Hey, to each their own. [19:10] a simple /ignore homecable puts him out of my life. [19:10] homecable: you need to read http://timecube.com [19:11] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [19:11] sure if you think that ... computer isnt just one of the things i do i build engines rebuild trans etc [19:11] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-134-193.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:11] sounds profitable [19:11] English is also something you don't do, I take it? [19:11] i use the comp to look for car parts etc [19:11] eviljames2: LOL [19:12] wut? [19:12] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] eviljames thinks hes uber or some shit like that what ever you geeks call it [19:12] That's right. Now scat [19:13] lmao [19:14] witz do i need a elite nick like urs to chat about bugs and how shity slackware has gotten [19:14] psychovo (n=chatzill@20150034128.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:14] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] I dont know about you, but we usually use 'an' before a word that starts with a vowel [19:15] nachox: ^^ [19:15] and a question mark wouldnt hurt [19:15] rob0, ? [19:16] if everyone would give the ping of death to 206.225.143.78 then homecable would disapear [19:16] psychovo (n=chatzill@20150034128.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [19:16] nachox, I just thought maybe this person needed some special attention. [19:16] oh, i see now, my current screen didnt show the comment about someone else's wife [19:17] rob0: I wouldn't worry about it. I'd bet that there is a team of folks from the local asylum who are hunting him down at the moment. [19:17] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:18] phreak i dont speak english that well i'm german [19:18] , die Sie der Meinung sind [19:18] As if those people needed MORE bad representation on the world scene... [19:18] homecable: Then learn. [19:18] Sie dont know Jack Scheiße craszysamantha [19:18] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [19:18] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@206.225.143.*' by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.7.236 [19:18] homecable kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [19:19] he earned it, thanks nachox [19:19] Action: witz breathes some fresh air. [19:19] yep, that comment about your wife was out of order [19:20] What a total tool that guy was [19:21] Yeah, how DARE he call my girlfriend a hog?!? [19:21] I mean ... oops ... [19:21] http://twitter.com/preed/status/1491959701 [19:22] you must first be registered and logged in [19:23] sweet, I gotta register to download the official subversion client for windows [19:23] Lovecraft (n=Lovecraf@er106.ips.PaulBunyan.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:23] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:23] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-134-193.aei.ca) left irc: "Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" [19:24] oh yeah, bugmenot.com [19:25] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: "leaving" [19:25] if there is a subversion for windows i am sure you can just get it without twitter playing the middleman [19:26] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:17) joined ##slackware. [19:26] that was just a twitter post from someone else who ran into the same thing. [19:26] f*** twitter [19:26] phreak_ (n=phreak@pool-151-205-105-224.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] ajb (n=ajb@adsl-99-190-80-101.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] ++acidchild; [19:27] Nick change: ajb -> thrice` [19:27] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] fine [19:27] thats what i say too, i dont bother with social websites like twitter, facebook or myspace [19:27] twitter is like the new IRC. [19:28] but everybody is going nuts about it, like its something new and amazing [19:28] and acceptable to talk about in real life. [19:28] i wana kill the next social snob who says 'well my friend blah on twitter' [19:28] whens the last time eviljames2 brought up 'acidchild' at his family dinner or at the bar [19:28] never.. [19:28] Never. [19:28] acidchild: it is the only hit I could find on google about this [19:28] so stop bringing up TWITTER FAGS TOO [19:29] 'subversion client for windows' came up with 1 hit? [19:29] DONT YOU LIE TO ME [19:29] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [19:29] don't make me do live twitter feed about your murder! [19:29] acidchild: i doubt you are seriously interested in my search terms, but it was the "error" message [19:30] true [19:30] acidchild: I also doubt that people on twitter would rant and rave if I quoted something I heard from IRC.. so I think twitter gains a point here [19:31] i would, i'd throw you in the mental loser bin [19:31] trolls stink [19:31] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left ##slackware. [19:32] :D [19:32] Pig_Pen: dear lord . what a horrible back ground (although sorta cool) [19:32] uhm .. bah that was meant for pi31415. BPTABFAIL! [19:33] what back ground? [19:33] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] phreak__ (n=phreak@pool-70-19-80-4.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Pig_Pen: awesome video [19:34] spaceplo_ (i=SpacePlo@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-ac8e96446566d4fd) joined ##slackware. [19:34] To that retarded twit page. [19:34] ok [19:34] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:34] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] post it on youtube then i can see it, i am not going to start a twitter account to watch a video [19:35] Oh, no, it was a twitter that pi31415 posted before he had a tantrum and took off. [19:35] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:35] bjornsorn (n=mint@0x50a136ec.ronxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:35] At least, that's what I assume happened. He didn't seem to appreciate acidchild's happy attitude. [19:35] anyone can give me an example on how to use at? [19:36] the firemen next to here have a party and I need to use earplugs but my phone won't ring loud enough so I have to use my computer >< [19:37] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Used properly in a sentence: "I like to have coffee AT the cafe." [19:37] or it was maybe that my script wasn't ok and the command failed [19:38] eviljames2: hmm, pretty interesting, thanks, I'll keep that in mind for next time I have to use at :) [19:38] no, it's a modem ATtention code [19:38] yeah, works :) [19:38] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-134.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:38] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-50.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [19:38] now, how do I stop it? >< [19:38] AT&F <== restore factory default settings, usually works as a modem init string. [19:39] killall [19:39] ='( [19:39] AT [19:39] OK [19:39] wretched (n=wretched@101-216.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:40] drol_ (n=andrew@144.38.70.37) left irc: "leaving" [19:40] oh good lord. [19:40] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@76.17.165.23) joined ##slackware. [19:40] rob0: I hadn't thought about that... ATDT1900-666-6543 [19:41] bah, not loud enough either ='( [19:42] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [19:42] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [19:42] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-109-248.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:42] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [19:42] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [19:43] http://pastebin.com/d282d6edd [19:44] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [19:45] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [19:45] Why is drinkcoffee(1) in /sbin ? Surely that's for all users? [19:45] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [19:45] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:46] ok, Audioslave - Out Of Exile or Rage Against The Machine - Live At The Grand Auditorium ? [19:46] Easily Rage [19:46] audioslave [19:46] ratm. no contest. [19:46] Rage > Audioslave by a long long long shot. [19:47] Audioslave just isn't Tom Morello's best work.. nor is it Chris Cornell's. [19:47] this is high powered truckdriver coffee, ya cant just let anybody have this coffee [19:48] let's go for RATM then [19:48] rob0: I think it's just so that the superuser administers coffee to everyone whether they want it or not. [19:48] phreak_ (n=phreak@pool-151-205-105-224.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-182-140.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "9) nanoseconds" [19:51] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: "Leaving" [19:53] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:53] eviljames2 (n=james@207.81.152.66) left irc: "Leaving." [19:54] now we just need to figure out what ARM machine we want to put armedslack on [19:55] Nick change: nheco__ -> nheco [19:56] bah, not playing [19:57] agentc0re: hmmmm - interesting reading on timecube [19:58] it also looks like it could use some spelling checks as well [19:58] alisonken1church: hehe, isn't it? [19:59] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [19:59] where did you get the link from? [20:00] http://imagebin.org/55944 for nostalga [20:00] eviljames showed it to me first. [20:00] ok, sleep 22500 will do the job [20:02] Pig_Pen: like your DeVeDe :) reminds me of Phonics [20:02] its good for burning dvd movies [20:04] ok - I know I usually need to increase the font size to read things, but that timecube is just downright irritating to read [20:06] hold shift and use your scroll wheel. [20:06] i got that in an email yesterday [20:06] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] agentc0re: yep - but it's still irritating on the layout [20:08] copy & paste to a plain text editor, then the font colors & format styles will be lost [20:08] thinnk I'll skip page 2 - looks like it's mostly duplicated fodder [20:08] RipVanWinkle: that's what I have to do with linux journal because of their font type [20:09] font style, rather. shit+ doesn't work for me on their website [20:09] thats what i thought after reading about the first 200 words [20:09] sort - shiFt+ :) [20:09] ctrl mousewheel [20:10] barg [20:10] Pig_Pen: shift plus keyboard +/- is the same as control-mousewheel [20:10] eth0 wont load [20:10] sorry - keypad +/- [20:10] it broadcasts for dhcp but fails [20:10] =( [20:11] no need to say you're sorry [20:11] dhw: first two questions - is the link light on and is your dhcp server running? [20:11] Pig_Pen: just woke up :) [20:11] bbiaf, got to check something [20:11] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:12] link light on [20:12] do not see dhcp in ps -aux [20:12] now I know I selected it when I installed [20:13] did you run ps ax on the computer you're trying to get an IP for? [20:13] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:13] is that the one that you don't see dhcp running on? [20:14] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@76.17.165.23) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [20:15] correct, the one I am trying to get connected does not have dhcpd running [20:15] it must not be starting up [20:16] dhw: are you trying to create a dhcp server? otherwise you can get conflicts with your other systems if you have multiple dhcp servers on the network [20:16] nah, I already have a dhcp server [20:17] it just seems to timeout [20:17] it's not getting an answer from the dhcp server on my network [20:17] ok - open a session and run a tcpdump to see if you're getting anything [20:17] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [20:18] if you know the subnet, manually add an ip and try pinging your dhcp server [20:18] eth0 has no IPv4 address assigned it tells me [20:18] but then it says listening on eth0 [20:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423357.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] hrm [20:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-40.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-6-172.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] I did lsmod and e1000e is my network card [20:24] or wait is that my wireless [20:24] iirc that's ethernet [20:24] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] yeah that is [20:24] gigabit [20:24] yep [20:24] intel iirc [20:26] pebo_ (n=jdavis@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [20:27] after lots and lots of googling [20:27] i come back to you for help yet again [20:27] =P [20:27] i have openbox going [20:27] running the rc.inet1 to see what happens [20:27] pebo_ (n=jdavis@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: Client Quit [20:27] and xterm is open [20:27] lol says timed out [20:27] my intarweb works now [20:27] >_ i fixed it [20:27] i have xterm open [20:27] but doing an ls [20:28] everything is the same color [20:28] now [20:28] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [20:28] i've modified .bash_profile [20:28] ls --color [20:28] i've modified .bashrc [20:28] .... [20:28] how can i have that be default? [20:28] like [20:28] just type ls [20:28] and --color is assumed? [20:29] alias ls to ls --color=auto or whatever you want [20:29] lol someone with a last name of stroyer and they chose the first name Dee for their child [20:29] anyone got a recommendation for an audio/video plugin for Firefox? I tried gxine, and all it does is pop up an external gxine instance every time a website wants to make a noise... so I end up with potentially hundreds of them. [20:29] can ls support a rc file in ~/ [20:29] Dee Stroyer ... [20:29] i am a complete noob [20:30] mplayer & mplayerplug-in [20:30] how do i do what you just said thrice? [20:30] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/bash-ls-color-alias-278265/ [20:30] first hit on google, fwiw [20:30] ty [20:31] bjornsorn (n=mint@0x50a136ec.ronxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:31] i didn't know about the --color parameter before [20:31] T___T [20:31] paissad (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] RipVanWinkle: ok, thanks [20:31] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-177-192.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] :D [20:32] thank you guys very very much [20:32] =) [20:32] i would bake you cookies if you were here [20:32] =^___^= [20:32] one last question [20:32] are you a woman? [20:32] in openbox [20:33] if i close all the terminals [20:33] is my only option [20:33] to [20:33] bah anyways, i like cookies: chocolate chip, but skip the chocolate [20:33] where is stored the picture of the fake penguin at slackware-current startup ? [20:33] ctrl+alt+back space? [20:33] i would like to change it if possible [20:33] anondaemon, is there no other way to quit openbox? [20:33] does someone know how to do ? [20:33] not quit [20:33] paissad, in the linux kernel [20:33] bring up another terminal [20:33] sorry i shouldve been more specific [20:33] iirc it's only displayed in framebuffer mode [20:34] TwinReverb, damn it [20:34] anondaemon, you can run another xterm if you want [20:34] but if they're all closed [20:34] paissad, no thanks, i'd rather not damn it [20:34] drivers/video/lilo [20:34] TwinReverb, thanks :-P [20:34] drivers/video/logo ! [20:35] paissad, be aware that some video cards don't like frame buffer [20:35] anondaemon, i don't know what the keyboard shortcut for "run xterm" is in openbox [20:35] i suggest using their website [20:35] i bet if you copied the files from a different kernel version of /drivers/video/logo and rebuilt it would give you the old Tux penguin back [20:35] RipVanWinkle, i doubt that's his problem [20:36] but iirc the image is stored IN the kernel upon build, i.e. in vmlinuz / bzImage [20:37] if he wants framebuffer without a logo that would require a rebuild too (un-selecting the logo) [20:37] bah [20:38] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [20:38] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:38] i am sure you are aware of vga= and vga=ask will give you a selection of available resolutions, vga=normal will disable it [20:38] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip72-198-122-202.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:38] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.236) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:39] yeah but like on mine (http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/sony/sony.html) i can't find a mode it actually likes [20:39] i think it's the new 16:9 [20:40] which res. do you run ? [20:40] bjx (n=mint@0x50a136ec.ronxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:40] max [20:40] lol [20:40] (not on framebuffer mind you) [20:40] xrandr [20:41] Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 1280 x 1280 [20:41] VGA disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) [20:41] LVDS connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm [20:41] use "vga=872" [20:41] i'll try it when i get back, thanks thrice [20:41] np [20:41] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [20:42] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:43] phreak__ (n=phreak@pool-70-19-80-4.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:44] bjx (n=mint@0x50a136ec.ronxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Client Quit [20:48] thrice` (n=ajb@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:49] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:50] i'm confuzzled [20:50] i modified /etc/lilo.conf [20:50] and commented out the windows section [20:50] phreak_ (n=phreak@pool-70-19-86-4.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] but i still have a windows option [20:50] when i reboot [20:50] =/ [20:50] run lilo as root [20:51] dngr (n=dngr@n112118131237.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [20:51] you sir [20:51] are a genius [20:51] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-63-100.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] i wish :D [20:52] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) joined ##slackware. [20:52] how can i modify the huge Slackware Linux image [20:52] ?? [20:52] huge slackware linux image? kernel? [20:52] (also, i've never found a channel anywhere in the history of forever that has helped me this much) [20:53] the CD/DVD iso? [20:53] DVD iso [20:54] there is some ISO mastering tools, but i dont use them so i can not say which ones are good and which ones are junk, ISOMaster might be a possability [20:55] oh i don't need it to be permanently on disc [20:55] i ust want to modify the selection screen [20:55] that comes up right after the BIOS screen [20:55] where i'm asked which OS to boot [20:55] you mean the LILO boot prompt screen? [20:56] anondaemon: /etc/lilo.conf and run /sbin/lilo afterwards. [20:56] yea [20:56] but i want to mod the image [20:57] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.236) joined ##slackware. [20:57] have you actually looked at /etc/lilo.conf? [20:57] CcSsNET (n=root@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [20:57] yes i have [20:57] omg [20:57] i can't believe i missed that [20:57] wow [20:58] o_o [20:58] i feel like a doofus [20:58] well, luckily for you. we can. :) [20:58] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] dont feel bad, anyone can look like a doofus on occasion [20:58] i've been in this channel [20:58] since yesterday night [20:59] and i've have at least 5 simple problems [20:59] and i had to come here for help [20:59] so i feel more like a doofus [20:59] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [20:59] butt [20:59] i got my wireless working [20:59] and now i can use ifconfig, iwconfig, and dhcpcd [20:59] ^__^ [21:00] as well as get openbox up and running [21:00] i been in here a long time, and made myself look like a doofus more, so nanner nanner booboo [21:00] ;P [21:01] In time... [21:01] Ye all show up on noobfarm [21:01] true. :) [21:01] as soon as I get it back up and running.... [21:01] -_\) [21:01] facepalm [21:01] i'm having the same problem i had before [21:01] my ls is dying [21:01] BP{k}: I think I have no choice, I'm giong to have to transfer the main site and DB to linode. [21:01] false! BP{k} has not been the subject of any mockery. [21:01] unparsable value for LS_COLORS [21:01] env variable [21:02] google's blogspot would do [21:02] Dominian: do it! [21:03] argh [21:03] fine.. [21:03] unless you dont want to attact that much attenion to it [21:03] Rolls (n=ebsjux@187.10.22.185) joined ##slackware. [21:03] RipVanWinkle: attention to noobfarm? [21:04] bring it on [21:04] antler: actually I am on noobfarm ;) [21:04] theres only one site at blogspot i visit, postsecret is one site i visit about once a week [21:04] give me a few minutes all [21:04] I have to boot up my "mirrored" VM [21:04] which.. we are going to lose some quotes.. unfortunately [21:04] not man.. but enough to piss me off [21:04] s/man/many [21:04] yayyyy [21:04] BP{k}: yeah, on there making fun of other people ;) [21:04] i fixed my ls problem all on my own [21:04] =) [21:05] are you proud of meh? [21:05] what did you do? [21:05] lol [21:05] went back and threw away the garbage left behind [21:05] from changes I made [21:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] because some forum told meh to do it [21:05] ;P [21:05] hrm [21:06] You'd be smarter if you said "my instincts told me to" [21:06] ;P [21:06] nooo [21:06] i mean the forum gave me bad info [21:06] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-177-192.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [21:06] and my instincts told me to go back [21:06] and rollback those changes [21:06] lulz [21:09] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@170.206.224.54) joined ##slackware. [21:10] raela|alt (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:11] raela|alt (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Success [21:11] ' [21:12] where can I find the packages generated by sbopkg? [21:12] /tmp/sbo [21:12] ty [21:12] er /tmp [21:13] yeah, found it [21:13] in tmp [21:13] also keep an eye on /tmp/sbo because it can get full source and crap pretty quick [21:13] Kaapa: grep OUTPUT /etc/sbopkg/sbopkg.conf [21:13] noobfarm has been moved to my linode [21:13] DNS should update within the hour.. hopefully [21:14] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) left irc: [21:14] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@170.206.224.54) left irc: [21:14] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [21:15] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Nick change: TClayton_ -> TClayton [21:17] US Postal Service Moves To GNU/Linux [21:18] Pig_Pen: for real? [21:18] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-174-201.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@206.225.143.* expired. [21:19] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@206.225.143.*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:19] Dominian: you using bind or linodes dns manager? [21:19] TClayton: yeah, check slashdot [21:20] Pig_Pen: Actually, USPS moved to linux a long time ago for their automated letter scanning. it's just recently that the USPS went to Linux for other stuff [21:21] alisonken1church: heres the article http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2985 [21:21] ok [21:21] tino27 (n=Tino27@node247.35.251.72.1dial.com) joined ##slackware. [21:21] 200 systems in 1998 [21:21] TClayton: [21:22] Thanks - that's the one I remember [21:22] I also remember a tv special about the guys that developed the image scanninng softwrare for it [21:23] thrice` (n=ajb@adsl-99-190-80-101.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Sesshomaru (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [21:25] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:26] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:26] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] BP{k}: linode's of course [21:28] phreak_ (n=phreak@pool-70-19-86-4.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [21:30] Hey Dominian [21:39] I just updated my 13rc1 install, which brought in a new slackpkg, therefore a new mirrors file. Do I put my mirror under Slackware 13.0 now? [21:39] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [21:40] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CC951.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Connection timed out [21:41] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [21:43] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:43] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [21:46] no, 13.0 will not exist yet [21:46] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@72.44.171.82) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:47] thrice`: so I should still put it under -current? [21:47] yep [21:47] ok, thank you. [21:47] and then change to 13.0 when it exists (since, at that time, -current will be the same as 13.0 [21:47] ok [21:49] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@72.44.171.82) joined ##slackware. [21:49] ended up being version 13? [21:49] hey [21:49] my internet is randomly disconnecting in slackware [21:49] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:49] <.<; [21:49] a while back there was a rumor of steping to 14, right? [21:49] plox to help meh? [21:50] and i make virtual cookies for you? [21:50] Kaapa, but the next version IS gonna be 13 [21:50] not supersticious, sounds great [21:51] it should be released on either a friday the 13th or on october 31st [21:51] RipVanWinkle, maybe... [21:51] my butt is sitting across from philly in NJ right now [21:51] T________T [21:51] doing the driver orientation thing [21:52] tino27 (n=Tino27@node247.35.251.72.1dial.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:52] Rolls (n=ebsjux@187.10.22.185) left irc: "War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. (www.cyberscript.org)" [21:52] driver orientation? 18 wheeler? [21:54] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-126-219-69.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [21:54] anondaemon: wifi? [21:55] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-111-44.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] yes [21:55] its odd though [21:55] lan works [21:55] which wifi card do you have? [21:55] computers in the lan have internet connection [21:56] except for the one that has slackware [21:56] BUT [21:56] the slackware one can still communicate with the other computers [21:56] wait... [21:57] i lied [21:57] others can communicate with the slackware one [21:57] and it'll talk back [21:57] but i can't get the slackware one to talk to the others [21:57] on its own [21:57] noizze (n=noise@p549CDDF9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] sounds like dhcp issue? [21:57] or dns [21:58] iptables? [21:58] - /etc/resolv.conf [21:58] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "buhbye" [21:58] or were you doing direct IP queries? [21:58] how do you mean? [21:59] the dns addresses are properly set [21:59] =/ [21:59] "ping xx.xx.xx.xx" or "ping host.net.tld" ? [21:59] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:17) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:00] between your slackware box and the others on the net? [22:00] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-50.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:01] ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx [22:01] and [22:01] ping google.com [22:01] neither work [22:01] is networking on the slack box set manually or by dhcp? [22:02] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] i think i might've messed up some configuration things [22:02] by mixing dhcp and manual [22:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] >_< [22:03] but i don't remember the file [22:03] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.200.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:03] which file contained the connection info? [22:03] - /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [22:04] hi all [22:04] yo [22:05] Hey gtl [22:05] yo fire|bird [22:05] hello [22:05] are you here to eat my cookies? [22:05] anondaemon: haven't you seen, they're all gone already. :) [22:06] =O [22:06] o= [22:06] =P [22:06] Channel flood from anondaemon -- kicking [22:06] ninja [22:06] anondaemon kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:06] anondaemon (n=anondaem@adsl-76-236-66-216.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] hahaha [22:06] not fast enough [22:06] enter != space. :) [22:06] =/ [22:06] duly noted [22:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:07] ty alisonken1church [22:07] i fixeded it using that conf file [22:07] np [22:08] dang... [22:08] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjdlkja@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] yet another long night... [22:09] MadMoney (n=madmoney@cpe-24-93-138-183.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] I just got a new cpu/mobo/ram for my birthday [22:11] i didnt install it yet, and i want to put slackware on that computer, but i think i'll just wait for 13.0 to be released [22:11] And you are expected to use it like that? [22:11] It's been a while since I had to use a computer without a case. [22:11] MadMoney, its going to replace an older cpu/mobo/ram amd s939 setup [22:11] its going in a case [22:12] ty all again [22:12] By version 13.0 you really mean version 10.0. [22:13] no, 10.0's shipped kernel wouldn't have support for the motherboard chipset [22:14] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-19-56-54.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:14] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-63-100.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:14] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) joined ##slackware. [22:15] anyway, whats the best way to go about running the 64-bit -current? [22:15] I am still unable to get access to my network, dhcp times out [22:15] there are -current isos, or the usb installers work well [22:15] I guess you don't remember the jump from version 4 to version 7. [22:16] and by -current iso's, I meant unofficial -current isos :> [22:16] dhw: Is eth0 or whatever active in ifconfig? [22:17] yeah [22:17] it's there, if I do ifconfig -a [22:17] it lists all my devices [22:17] Oh, then it's not really up. [22:17] I also did lsmod found my driver [22:17] well I did ifconfig eth0 up aswell [22:17] and just doing ifconfig it shows up also [22:18] Good. [22:18] And you have DHCPd enabled on your router, I assume. [22:18] correct [22:18] thrice`, and the installer works for 64-bit slackware on the unofficial -current isos? [22:19] hm I just did ifconfig and now it's not showing up [22:19] if you get a 64-bit -current iso, sure :) [22:19] i know it's in there tho [22:19] thrice`, good point [22:19] as in enabled [22:19] :\ [22:19] I don't know. [22:19] it should work right away [22:19] this reminds me, i need to get another creative audigy 2 zs [22:19] it's just using e1000e [22:20] as far as I know that runs right away [22:20] no issues with it is there? [22:20] I don't know. [22:20] It seems like a popular device. [22:21] god, why is firefox so buggy with myspace... [22:21] I've had bad ethernet cards give me this trouble. [22:21] I shorted one out when I was licking my computer. [22:22] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-62.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] you never know where you will learn a valuable lesson [22:22] thrice` (n=ajb@adsl-99-190-80-101.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-174-201.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:23] got a weird problem. just installed slack on a new comp but cant ssh in. ssh is running i can ping the box. [22:23] MadMoney: do I know you....? [22:23] I am going to check my system logs and make sure everything is loading up right [22:24] dartmouth: ? [22:24] i got it set to port 1722 and protocal 2 [22:25] lotec: And ssh is configured for port 22? [22:25] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [22:25] dartmouth: some websites just plain suck due to idiot web developers [22:25] no ssh is set to port 1722 [22:25] MadMoney: Well, that's one way to clean the card [22:25] i vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config [22:25] set port and protocal [22:26] lotec: what command are you using to try and ssh into the box? [22:26] using my mac cmd line [22:26] lotec: what command are you using to try and ssh into the box? [22:26] ssh 182.168.1.6 -p 1722 -l lotec25 [22:26] o jesus [22:26] i think i see my problem [22:27] i guess i am tired [22:27] Thanks :D [22:27] heh [22:27] hmm [22:27] I am seeing some rrors [22:27] lotec, stupid 8 key always gets in the way [22:28] BIOS handoff failed [22:28] it seems to be doing it on the pci scan [22:29] Damn 8 key. ok i rip it off [22:29] good call [22:31] pebo_ (n=jdavis@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [22:34] claudio__ (n=claudio@200.172.83.136) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [22:34] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [22:38] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [22:38] pebo_ (n=jdavis@77-56-181-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) left ##slackware. [22:38] I wonder if I should try these [22:38] http://dotimes.com/slackbuilds/kernel-t61/ [22:39] http://dotimes.com/slackbuilds/kernel-modules-t61/ [22:41] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.29.227) left irc: No route to host [22:41] aswinji (n=aswinji@202.159.95.226) joined ##slackware. [22:41] HI ALL [22:42] dhw, you own a t61? [22:42] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CC951.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:42] excuse me ! [22:43] yeah [22:43] I would hope so if I was going to use those [22:43] hehe =) [22:43] i got a t60 [22:43] I had a t60 [22:43] but compiled kernel on my own [22:43] but I got lenovo to give me new laptop :P [22:43] sorry [22:44] is it yours ! [22:44] I had gentoo on this before [22:44] nice! [22:44] and always compiled the kernel that way, but I see SlackBuilds is rather popular [22:44] is it the same processor? [22:44] should be [22:44] did you have any issues with acpi when loading the kernel? [22:44] T5600 [22:45] hmm, don't remember so [22:45] ill have to look [22:45] what is the last messege report [22:46] dhcp timed out again >_< [22:46] tino27 (n=Tino27@node123.39.251.72.1dial.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] man, V for Vendetta is an awesome movie [22:47] I also like the eggs he makes [22:47] those are good [22:47] hehehe [22:47] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-62.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:47] how long does slack usually take with it's RC's to release provided they find no issues? [22:47] Nick change: Wescotte_ -> Wescotte [22:48] dhw: I think you should watch it when you aren't hungry :p [22:48] I got hungry after I watched it =( [22:49] Wescotte, new slack version is released when ready [22:49] damn now I can't remember if the network card is the pci-e version or not [22:50] gtl: Yeah I know.. I was just wondering on average.. [22:51] T7500 [22:52] Wescotte: just read the oldest changelogs if curious :) [22:52] reallove: hmm good idea [22:52] dhw, hm...i have a c700(compaq [22:53] adding it to built in support [22:53] I want one of those guy fawkes masks now [22:53] now compiling the kernel [22:53] aceofspades19, they aren't expensive [22:53] AnonymousRednek: where do you buy them [22:53] aceofspades19, amazon [22:53] they are awesome [22:54] weird [22:54] aceofspades19, but if you step behind the mask, you must take a sacred vow...to pwn when possible, and be one with the legion...LUL [22:54] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:55] there we go [22:55] aceofspades19, i'm kidding [22:55] now I am hungry [22:55] brb [22:55] aceofspades19, again, get them off amazon...search 'V for Vendetta mask' [22:56] they aren't expensive [22:56] AnonymousRednek: gotcha [22:56] they're best if worn over green cloth [22:57] they are best worn by /b/-tards [22:57] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:57] Eh V is a pretty cool guy, he fights the government and doesn't afraid of anything [22:58] phunkedelik, you're just jealous...you can't be as geeky cool as us, so you troll [22:58] Wescotte, www.slackware.com might give you an idea [22:58] AnonymousRednek: no.... im just saying someone might try to beat you up if you wear one of those masks to the wrong places [22:58] i dont have a problem with them [22:59] phunkedelik: so I shouldn't go to CoS wearing one? [22:59] phunkedelik, well, if you get assaulted by a scilon, they have(had) lots of money to be sued for...LOL [22:59] no' you'd be fine [22:59] it took 7 months from 12.1 to 12.2 [23:00] aceofspades19: lol [23:00] phunkedelik, i keep one on the dash of my truck [23:00] Action: AnonymousRednek <<<<< trucker [23:01] hmm, guys have any of you successfully configured bluetooth on kde4? [23:01] And you run a Linux server from your truck? [23:01] MadMoney, server? no, notebook? FTW [23:01] MadMoney, hehe [23:01] that would be awesome to have a 4U server in a truck [23:02] user05439 (n=dsgjkls@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] AnonymousRednek: listen to "Six Days on the Road" [23:02] AnonymousRednek: And you can network with your buds on the CB. [23:02] aceofspades19, but then you'd have to configure a slow(and expensive) mobile sat netlink [23:02] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:03] Six days on the road. Pfft. Try Maine to Ohio and back in one go with no rests. [23:03] AnonymousRednek: or you have a really long cord :p [23:03] MadMoney, i use wifi at truck stops [23:03] aceofspades19, yeah, about that... [23:03] aceofspades19, a freightliner only has so much torque [23:04] AnonymousRednek: Do you own your own rig? [23:04] MadMoney, i'm not that stupid [23:04] AnonymousRednek: thats what jet engines are for [23:04] aceofspades19, yeah, YOU pay the fuel bill on that one [23:05] and pay for every tire you have to replace [23:05] aceofspades19: power-to-weight is great, but try getting it past the next refueling stop :) [23:05] RipVanWinkle, exactly... [23:05] AnonymousRednek: How well does trucking pay for newcomers? [23:05] RipVanWinkle, i prefer being a company driver only worrying about trip planning [23:05] i used to drive cross country [23:06] the only way turbines can even come close would be to read the comparison that the rail companies did when they did diesel-elctric and turbine-electric rigs [23:06] MadMoney, about $20k [23:06] thats the way to go, owning a truck is too much liability [23:06] RipVanWinkle, no kidding [23:06] right now, i'm in a hotel, orientating for a new company [23:07] 4cpm more than the last company [23:07] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-216-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:07] alisonken1church: you just need to coast the rest of the way :p [23:07] Imagine when computers drive the trucks. [23:07] aceofspades19: that only works downhill - too much hills on the coasts, and too much flatland in the middle :) [23:08] Image recognition / distance sensors + RFIDs in the pavement = autopilot trucks [23:08] MadMoney: they already have the pieces in place [23:08] Yeah. [23:08] as long as microsoft doesn't make the os [23:09] :p [23:09] MadMoney, too much corporate liability when a malfunction kills someone [23:09] check out the darpa challenge for some of it [23:09] Or Mark Shuttleworth. :P [23:09] MadMoney, they'd have more wrecks then than they have now [23:09] AnonymousRednek: Maybe. [23:09] MadMoney: you wouldn't have to worry, you would spend so much time fixing the update breakages you wouldn't be able to drive it [23:10] We really already have such a system, they're called trains. [23:10] MadMoney, yeah, you know trains are great the way they can pull right up to your door with product [23:10] AnonymousRednek: Well, obviously not. [23:10] < /sarcasm > [23:11] That's just an infrastructure problem. ;) [23:11] usr (n=usr@189.115.188.59) left irc: Client Quit [23:11] MadMoney, yeah, but the cost of infrastructure upgrades on that scale is more than prohibitive [23:12] MadMoney, trucks have been deemed the most cost-effective method of door-to-door service [23:12] MadMoney, the most you'll see is intermodal(truck-train-truck) [23:13] MadMoney, it's also amazing how fast the train gets your product between locations...at a staggering 5mph average movement [23:13] at least a truck with a solo driver can get it to you averaging 25mph [23:13] i see trains over a mile long doing probably 80 MPh [23:14] RipVanWinkle, i mean the average speed the product moves...not necessarily the speed of an individual train [23:14] the thing is those trains cant go everywhere so trucks fill in the gaps [23:14] blah [23:15] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] RipVanWinkle, and for time-sensitive shipments, trains are out [23:15] AnonymousRednek: That's because Americans have an awfully outdated train system compared to Europe, et al. [23:16] MadMoney, trains in europe only move product from source to destination an average of 7mph...you still have customs, etc [23:16] or high dollar sensitive loads like expensive computers, just wait until some PC company wants you to haul a load of PCs [23:16] RipVanWinkle, been there [23:16] Tractor trailers are no where near as bad for the environment as passenger cars, though. [23:16] RipVanWinkle, they guy called me hourly [23:17] yup, they want to know where you are and what you are doing with a million + dollars worth of computers [23:17] RipVanWinkle, i just told him on the 3rd call to keep me on the line and i'll keep him on speaker [23:17] Tell them you're hocking them in Brooklyn. [23:18] MadMoney, that's a good way to get a visit from the highway patrol [23:18] MadMoney, and further, to lose your job [23:18] I've seen a lot of truckers pulled over by police/highway patrol. [23:18] I wonder what they do that gets them pulled over. [23:19] the FBI would have you in the slammer for a long time for interstate transportation of stolen merchandise [23:19] MadMoney, sometimes nothing [23:19] Maybe passing a weigh station checkpoint. [23:19] MadMoney, sometimes speeding [23:19] man I had the first strawberry of the season from my strawberry plants and it was good [23:20] MadMoney, there are over a thousand reasons you could get pulled over...a lot of them don't involve driver misconduct [23:20] I see. [23:20] MadMoney, i've been pulled over for a registration check once [23:20] I hate getting pulled over. I always do something stupid that makes the cop think I have a gun or something. [23:21] road tax stamp sometimes, you have to pay an OTR tax in every state you drive through [23:21] I had to pee really bad when I got pulled over once. [23:21] RipVanWinkle, yeah, that was the most often reason i got pulled into weigh stations [23:22] I think troopers overreact too much. [23:22] RipVanWinkle, not sure if this company has prepass, so i think i'll hit weigh stations more often than before [23:23] Seems like a waste of time and money not to have it. [23:24] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-157-196-13.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] that prepass is cool, what weigh stations should do is have a network so once your passed one station it uploads the info to the others the next one you get to is quicker [23:25] sort of like what prepass does already [23:25] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Too bad government would mess up such a trivial idea by hiring a crappy contractor. [23:25] AnonymousRednek: did you say above that new truck drivers only make about $20K? [23:26] danc3, about that [23:26] damn [23:26] that sucks pretty hard [23:26] Yeah, but the training is minimal. [23:27] jesus, you can make that much working at a fast food joint, I think. [23:27] MadMoney, and the requirements stringent [23:27] Yeah right. [23:28] I would rather drive than work at Mcdonalds. [23:28] I think I spend that much per year on pizza and beer [23:28] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-157-196-13.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:28] I always thought drivers made more than that [23:29] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:d9) joined ##slackware. [23:29] They do after some experience, danc3. [23:29] danc3, if they get through their first year, yeah [23:29] how can someone live on 20K/yr, plus being done from home all the time [23:29] danc3: Dude, I live on $7000/year [23:29] ok, so after about 5 years, how much is average? [23:29] MadMoney: no way [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] Yes way. [23:30] if i was single i would do it again, just not have a home and be a road gypsi [23:30] I wouldn't think that is possible [23:30] I am underemployed due to the f***ed up economy. [23:30] danc3, after about 5 years, it depends...same company or different companies? [23:30] same company [23:30] I have to rent half the house to asshats to keep the mortgage paid. [23:30] from $45k up [23:30] hmmm, better I gues [23:30] tino27 (n=Tino27@node123.39.251.72.1dial.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] danc3: It is very possible to live on $7000/year. You have very little food. [23:31] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] I'm anemic and underweight. [23:31] one of my buddies is making 65k with swift [23:31] t0f (i=1000@wlbr-208-103-146-93.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] MadMoney: depends, I guess. I spend that in 3 months on my house payment [23:31] well, probably more like 55k now...they cut his bonuses and his rate of pay [23:31] MadMoney: perhaps you should start driving a truck...? [23:32] danc3: That's why I asked AnonymousRednek about the pay for starters. :) [23:32] There's a company that will train you for your CDL in a month. [23:32] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [23:32] MadMoney: you should start that tomorrow [23:32] MadMoney, it can be done in 3 weeks [23:32] I can do more C programming jobs, but they're scarce in this area. [23:32] MadMoney, but then you have 6+ weeks of training with an experienced driver for crap pay [23:33] aswinji (n=aswinji@202.159.95.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:33] MadMoney: go to the driver school [23:33] I've had to do work for no pay just for a place to crash during really bad times. [23:33] MadMoney, then you get supply vasoline for the company to use on you for the next year [23:33] Only problem is I hate driving. [23:34] heh [23:34] I'll do things I hate for money, though. [23:34] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.236) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:34] danc3, yeah, that means you'll get screwed [23:34] huh? [23:34] Screwed? How? [23:34] Like on pay? [23:35] MadMoney, pay, hometime, benefits, repairs, equipment, regulations, etc [23:35] MadMoney, and RipVanWinkle can attest to that [23:36] MadMoney, and if you detect someone messing with your equipment at night while you sleep, be ready to come out fighting [23:37] No problem there. [23:37] MadMoney, most new drivers don't make it 6 months [23:37] MadMoney, which is funny, since six months is the time where a driver starts getting the hang of the life and the job [23:38] AnonymousRednek: how about a driver with the same company for 20 years, how much pay? [23:38] i bet that most, if asked, would not say, "i'm overpaid at my job" [23:38] I've already had to deal with people trying to fuck with me in Pennsylvania at a rest stop at 3 AM after I was exhausted for driving 20 hours straight. [23:38] danc3, i don't know...haven't been there yet [23:39] you don't know any drivers with that much time? [23:39] pft.... underpaid.... who isn't? [23:39] antler, i'm not complaining [23:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:39] stay out of rest stops, especially at night, thats only for quick place to pee in the daytime [23:39] hi, I'm reading changelog news, so what about slackpkg: why the package is in tgz and not txz? [23:39] antler, just telling this person the truth [23:39] Rest stops tend to have people with nothing better to do than rob you and smash your windshield. [23:39] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] danc3, i don't ask them about their money...that's personal [23:40] is that why there are *DOZENS* of trucks sleeping in every rest area, every night? [23:40] people in Pennsylvania are fairly nice [23:40] BTW, parts of Michigan and Ohio, especially Flint, will fuck with your car if you leave it long. [23:41] you were either complaining, or pointing out the very obvious <- AnonymousRednek [23:41] :P [23:41] antiwire, the latter of the two [23:41] user05439 (n=dsgjkls@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:41] antler, rather [23:41] danc3: They are okay in most parts, probably. Every state has troublemakers. [23:41] what? [23:41] I think that was for antler. [23:42] is this the rednek from brooklyn? [23:42] :D [23:42] antler, the redneck that lives in brooklyn, yeah [23:42] Nice area. [23:42] antler, i'm fortunate atm [23:42] i wont spend the night in a rest area, most truck stops are save, some are even gated with a guard shack to keep the riffraff out [23:42] They give good directions in Brooklyn. [23:42] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:42] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [23:43] RipVanWinkle, MOST of them are safe... [23:43] RipVanWinkle, i wouldn't trust any of them in dallas [23:43] AnonymousRednek: Are you armed? [23:43] MadMoney, that's against federal law [23:44] not if you have a concealed weapon permit [23:44] AnonymousRednek: Hmm. Do you think that's good? [23:44] powtrix: chicken or the egg? [23:44] ? [23:44] never stopped in dallas, i live about 150 miles north of dallas, i live in oklahoma [23:44] danc3, that concealed weapon permit means nothing in a commercial motor vehicle [23:44] powtrix: you asked " why the package is in tgz and not txz?" [23:45] antiwire: Dinosaur [23:45] AnonymousRednek: you mean it isn't legal in a commercial vehicle? [23:45] yes, ? [23:45] danc3, not in the least [23:45] hmmm, didn't know that [23:45] AnonymousRednek: What's the rationale of that law? [23:45] MadMoney, who said that rationale had anything to do with it? [23:45] I'd be willing to bet there are a LOT of guns in long-haul truck cabs... [23:45] guys, need help setting bluetooth up [23:46] Not that I have a problem with it. I've delt with fuckers with nothing but my hands. [23:46] gtl: can't you see it's Trucker Hour? [23:46] antiwire, i mean all files are in txz, only this new is in tgz.. [23:46] MadMoney, but it's clearly written in the FMCSR that weapons are prohibited [23:46] And in some cases, running. [23:46] tirebuddy [23:46] danc3, sorry haven't seen that [23:46] heh [23:46] hehe [23:46] A perp tried to take my laptop that I left on my roof for a few minutes in Hartford. [23:46] RipVanWinkle, yeah, a tire bat is a 'tool' that is particularly useful against the side of someone's head [23:46] I'd help, but haven't ever used BT [23:47] thanks tho [23:47] I got the laptop back by running after him. [23:47] RipVanWinkle, or across their back, over the kneecap, etc [23:47] I use my height and my speed to scare them. [23:47] powtrix: Most of the packages have been converted from .tgz to .txz, but we will continue to make the gzip, pkgtools, slackpkg, tar, and xz packages in .tgz format for the foreseeable future. [23:47] that's form the changelog [23:47] from* [23:47] is there an ETA for the release of 13.0? [23:48] yup, nothing like a stick with a metal sleeve over the end [23:48] TASER [23:48] MadMoney, also prohibited [23:48] MadMoney, as well as chemical agents [23:48] fish whacker [23:48] You could start driving the truck. [23:48] can of whoop-ass is all you get I guess [23:49] oh man [23:49] cattleprod, cattle haulers have them [23:49] well then good for all [23:49] twolf, a tire bat makes a good side weapon [23:49] indeed [23:49] RipVanWinkle, yeah, but if you aren't hauling cattle, you have no excuse to carry it [23:49] I like 20,000 kg truck as a weapon. [23:50] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [23:50] madbear, 35 tonne fully loaded [23:50] MadMoney, rather [23:50] you wont get in trouble with a tirebuddy or a tool box full of large wrenches and a piece of pipe for a cheaterbar [23:50] gtl: have you looked at /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth.conf ? [23:50] TriniTux (n=clayton@cuscon127569.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [23:51] MadMoney, 40 ton english measure [23:51] RipVanWinkle, exactly [23:51] yeah, did not understood it =( [23:52] Nothing like an IBM Thinkpad in the face to give them a hint. [23:52] what's the command to check smb.conf syntax? [23:52] mshade: samba --testconfig ? [23:52] gtl: try just leaving it as is, and make rc.bluetooth executable, and reboot [23:52] testparm [23:52] :-D [23:52] found it [23:52] RipVanWinkle, and your excuse, i use this to check and/or maintain my truck during my inspections...and it was the first thing i could think to grab to defend myself [23:52] testparm [23:53] ok, will try [23:53] RipVanWinkle, a small sledge is nice too [23:53] ballpeen hammer [23:53] a small handgun is better [23:53] thanks MadMoney - found it finally [23:53] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:53] danc3, and i'm talking about operating INSIDE the law [23:54] danc3, in the context of working as a commercial driver [23:54] yeah, well sometimes it's better to be on the edge of the law, and still alive [23:54] Meh, I can do more with my hands and my legs than most of you can do with a weapon. [23:54] I always carry a knife [23:54] MadMoney: lol, right [23:54] twolf: me too [23:54] everywhere [23:54] twolf, yeah, i have a lockblade [23:54] unless the government makes me remove it [23:54] I put the smackdown on a laptop-jacker in teh hood (Hartford) [23:55] someone wants to shoot me or whatever, I'm drawing blood on my way out [23:55] He thought he could outrun a track sprinter. What a silly thief. [23:55] and you can justify the lockblade too [23:55] twolf: you think so? From 10 feet away, as you get shot? [23:55] danc3: I will try [23:55] right [23:55] there's an old joke about bringing a knife to a gunfight [23:55] the knife loses, every time [23:56] Police are the biggest wusses. They just run down perps with their cruiser. [23:56] from what I hear a knife is much better at 10 feet away then a gun [23:56] dhw, usually [23:56] lol [23:56] dhw, depends on the knife fighter and the shooter [23:56] depends on the gun too [23:56] lol [23:57] very true [23:57] dhw, most shooters these days barely know which end the rounds exit [23:57] knike: don't cut the cheese without one [23:57] a 12ga can put you down fast, but a 22 not so much [23:57] now if it's a shotgun you are in for a problem [23:57] http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=38485857 - Police use cruiser [23:57] .357 ftw [23:57] you might as well just throw the knife and hope you hurt them enough [23:57] In Cincinnati, they run down the gang with the cruiser ^ [23:57] dhw, yeah, if they pull a shotgun and keep enough distance to stay out of your reach, say your prayers...you're about to meet that which made you [23:58] I got a .357 and a 12gauge in my car [23:58] or take the shot like a man, and get in there and chop him up like the bitch he is. [23:58] ROFL [23:59] AnonymousRednek: I would just run. [23:59] It's hard to shoot a running target. [23:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:59] you have to shoot where they are going to be [00:00] --- Wed Jul 15 2009