[00:00] Does he still develop it from jail? [00:00] vile: I use reiser on production boxes. [00:00] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:00] I think he said he was going to sell it in 2006, but never put the sale through. [00:01] What are you running; production boxes? [00:01] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:01] dns, httpd, mysqld boxes. [00:01] a slew of them [00:02] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [00:02] cool [00:02] it's great for lots of small files. [00:03] Is reiserfs4 out yet? [00:03] isnt reiser dead? [00:03] didnt think anyone picked it up [00:03] murderers make great FSes [00:03] vile: reiserfs3 is still strong. [00:04] Dead? I haven't heard that. [00:04] I fear reiserfs4 will not mature at any time soon. [00:06] What about ext4? [00:06] ext4 is in the kernel now [00:06] i don't trust ext4 either. [00:07] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:07] nille__ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:08] I give ext4 more credit than reiserfs. I've had worse luck with reiserfs than any other filesystem [00:09] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:09] j0z (n=JESUS@189.31.240.30) joined ##slackware. [00:09] A good read (despite the crappy title) if you're bored: http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc [00:09] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:10] I would have heard about Reiser dying. [00:10] Lot of reading to do. If it's available, I'll try it and compare it to jfs before making a final decision. I don't know how to install a file system that's not offered in the CD set. [00:11] I'm pretty sure he's still alive too. [00:12] I hear he got the death penalty off the table by leading police to his wife's body. He buried her near his mother's house. This was late 2008. I think it's still alive. [00:12] ..."I think he's still alive" [00:15] vile: I think you need to enable it in the kernel. and then save the kernel and copy the new kernel over. [00:16] vile: How about ext3? or jfs? [00:16] I just recently went with ext3 [00:16] I want to wait for ext4 to mature [00:16] and then it's gonna be an easy switch, too [00:17] I'm looking at jfs and will probably install it when I reinstall Slackware [00:17] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:17] For anyone interested, Reiser is alive. He got beaten up by a group of prisoners in January and transfered to a new prison a few days ago; on March 4th. [00:18] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "hue" [00:18] If ext4 is available, I'll probably try it. I'm on ext3, and have been for a few weeks, now. [00:20] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:20] I just remembered an earlier question. I may have missed the answer when I lost my connection. Has anyone tried Avast Anti-Virus Linux Workstation? [00:23] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-63-43.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [00:23] vile: I've used and recommended Avast on Windows systems, but I can't say I even knew they had a linux offering [00:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:24] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-63-43.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:24] I just noticed it myself. [00:25] It's the only workstation AV for Linux I've found. The others, perhaps with the exception of ClamAV are for servers, yes? [00:25] I use Avast on Windows too. [00:26] vile: I'm not sure... I know AVG an F-Prot(ect?) have linux antivirus too... although I think for workstations getting your software from trusted sources is a better solution than antivirus [00:28] I don't really know which ones are serious products and which ones are just to get the company more exposure. [00:28] Agreed but we paranoids prefer both: trusted sources and antivirus. lol [00:29] I never liked AVG. [00:29] I haven't tried Frotect. [00:29] My main concern is patching my Slackbox to my XP laptop. I can't toss XP yet because I haven't found drivers for my LinkSys draftN adapter. [00:30] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:33] Reading a little about ext4. it sounds pretty cool. [00:35] vile: The only thing keeping me on ext3 for now are the little kinks like this: http://www.h-online.com/open/Possible-data-loss-in-Ext4--/news/112821 [00:36] vile: Ext4 actually behaves correctly, as I understand it. There was a writeup about it on Slashdot as well with all kinds of {ill,}informed comments ;) [00:36] Checking it out...... [00:36] ext4 is still too young to be used in important data... its ok to save your p0rn on it, not your home... let it mature about 6 months at least [00:36] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:36] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-164.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:38] Modem issues. My connection is running unbelievably slow. Dial-up. The link you posted hasn't opened yet. [00:38] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [00:39] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:40] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:40] Still loading. I should probably put in a proper driver for this modem. Right now, it's operating in some limited mode. It only takes on RJ-45. If I plug in both, as I did for Windows with drivers, it can't find a dial tone. [00:41] a dialup driver? [00:41] rodiguim (n=rodiguim@62-244-184-175.cust.exponential-e.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:41] Sounds like a lack of checksum in the journal, right? [00:42] The ext4 data loss issue. [00:42] A driver for my dial-up modem. [00:42] Whats your current one called [00:42] ? [00:43] It's a USRobotics 56K External DataFax [00:45] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [00:46] What driver are you using? [00:47] Whatever the default is. I just plugged the modem in, configured it on ttyS0, and hit connect. It worked. lol [00:48] Oh, what makes you think it's limited then? [00:48] It's only accepting one RJ-11. If I leave two plugged in ( what I'm use to seeing) it can't find the dial tone. Also, it's running much slower than it did under Windows. [00:49] Oh [00:49] roccity_ (n=roccity@ip-118-90-120-233.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:49] hey guys whats ha[[ening [00:49] happening [00:49] sorry long day [00:50] Maybe it's the port settings? I modified them under Windows. Windows defaulted COM speed to 9600. [00:50] external (serial) modems don't need drivers [00:50] That would explain the long load times. [00:51] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:51] vile what about modem strings? try and stabilize the line [00:52] I'll look into it. [00:52] I guess my first priority is getting the ATI Linux Drivers installed so I can get off of 800x600 mode. [00:53] vile: is it a v90 modem? [00:53] There's a lot to do to make the switch to Slackware permanent. [00:53] yes [00:53] vile:you can try +ms=V90 for a modem string [00:54] vile: we use that for modems at work [00:54] vile: Its generic but it might work [00:54] vile: have you tried vesa at 1024x786? [00:55] Wrote it down. I'll try it. Thanks. [00:55] Just a second. I'm trying to remember what I tried with the graphics card. [00:56] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@dsl161.153.und.nodak.edu) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [00:56] grazymax (n=grazymax@host112-153-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:56] I remember opening a text file with vi that contained that kind of information and crashing the WM a few times. lol I can't remember the rest of the details. [00:57] Section "DRI" Load ... EndSection #a file full of things like that. Now I can't remember it's name. [00:57] http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper anyone wanna do the browser benchmark so we can compare ? [00:57] 548 Points here with FF 3.0.7 [00:58] vile: this is part of my xorg file Subsection "Display" [00:58] Depth 24 [00:58] Modes "1280x800" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" [00:58] sorry guys [00:58] I do remember findind a section called Display and another called Screen. I used those to inspire the WM crashes. [00:58] vile: http://pastebin.ca/86 [00:58] First, I tried setting the color depth to 32. The system didn't like that. [00:58] Adjusted the RAM from 4096 to 256 not knowing the unit. That went ok. [00:59] vile, read slackbook.org, and 'man radeon' will help. also look for help on Xorg -configure if need be. [00:59] yeah but I had to add 1280X800 by hand. The others were there. [00:59] vile: here is the whole sections http://pastebin.ca/S:1360488 [00:59] vile: try vesa @ 16 for color depth [00:59] I have slackbook. I'm working through it and "How Linux Works" from No Starch Press; 2005. [01:01] loading.....still loading.....just go have a cig. i'll be done loading when i'm done..... [01:01] lol [01:03] rworkman still around? [01:03] I got page not found for both pastebin links. pastebin came up. The file section you posted wasn't found. [01:04] Soul_keeper, firefox beta wont even finish the test here :( [01:04] No big deal. I'm just killing time since I can't sleep. [01:04] Old_Fogie what's it say ? [01:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] i got a fail once, tryed again and it worked [01:04] I keep getting a script is nonresponsive do you want to kill it or not [01:05] this is ff built from mercurial about 3 days ago. i'm building a new one now [01:05] this is the first time that the ff beta ever had an issue tho too [01:05] Kernel 2.6.29 is at rc7. if anyone is still thinking about it, the ext4 problem in the article posted earlier is supposed to be taken care of in core 2.6.30. [01:05] cig break. brb [01:07] I avoid the latest stable kernel and dev branches of kernel at all costs if I can. [01:07] too many changes for my taste buds [01:08] Old_Fogie, you are the winner http://sterlingdesktops.com/pisg-0.68/pisg-slackware.html [01:09] I take issue with that site. I'm not a "he/she" ..I'm no tweener [01:09] :) [01:10] he [01:10] heh [01:10] but the random quote is *awesome* tho :) [01:11] yeah i agree with that [01:12] Old_Fogie, I get that warning for flash on FF [01:12] bbc iplayer usually [01:12] oh I dont use the bbc, they put trojans on peoples computers [01:13] huh? [01:13] this error was from that browser test page [01:13] I can understand that Old_Fogie, but if I end up going with an ext instead of jfs - my two top contenders at the moment, I'll probably get ..3 early for the patched ext4. [01:13] I don't really know if I need it. I'm still in Windows mode and grinning at the though of an extabyte volume size limit. [01:14] BBC Trojans? [01:14] there's a place for beta, and a filesystem isn't one of them imo. if you cant figure out how to get your video card working, i really doubt you should be a beta tester for file systems (and I dont mean that nastily in any way) [01:14] first I've heard of it [01:15] the bbc botnet? [01:15] errr nope [01:15] was on slashnot this week [01:15] /d/n [01:15] link? [01:15] My whole system is a beta. I'm very new to Slackware. It's not a production system. [01:16] http://slashdot.org/ [01:16] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.218.12.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Correction. I'm very new to Linux; not just Slackware. This whole thing is a beta test for me. [01:17] yeah i know the link to slashdot... but I'm going to trawl it [01:17] othermindszine (n=othermin@166.sub-70-193-33.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [01:17] vile, really you dont want to be going ext4 right now, believe me. go ext3 or jfs [01:17] othermindszine (n=othermin@166.sub-70-193-33.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] ext3 is wuote safe [01:17] quite* [01:17] Also, not in a defensive tone, I just started looking at the video card a few hours ago. I'll figure it out. [01:18] yeah i know the link to slashdot... but I'm NOT going to trawl it [01:18] as far as i know if you chose ext3 you could upgrade to ext4 latter, same as the ext2 to ext3 conversion [01:18] ext4 is no turning back [01:19] All right. You guys are, at least, closer to expert than I am. I'll be patient about ext4. [01:19] I've heard something similar dive. [01:19] bbc making botnets? [01:20] ext4 is supposed to be backward and forward compatible according to the article someone linked earlier. You can mount ext3 under ext4 and ext4 under ext3. [01:21] dive: I figured out with that opera issue that I don't need a script. I found that from the directory of opera 10, I can run opera -pd /whatever-directory-I-want-it-to-use. [01:22] firebird619, good news, that makes it a whole easier :-) [01:22] on the other hand, I found too many bugs with opera and switched back to FF [01:22] ATM, using extents in ext4 makes it impossible to mount it at ext3 [01:22] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [01:22] dive: Yeah, it sure does. I found it by using opera --help. It turns out that opera has quite a few options to use. [01:22] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] Out of curiosity, which kernal are you on Old_Fogie? You said you don't go with the latest. [01:23] yay, i haz real internets! [01:23] You stay a . behind? Two .s? [01:23] vile, I'm using 2.6.27.19 (which is a "long term support" kernel) for all pc's except my netbooks; my netbooks I have to use 2.6.28 for sound fixes. [01:26] "long term support"?? [01:26] Old_Fogie. So, like with Windows and Service Packs, you suggest waiting a minor release or two before updating a kernal? New. Looking for info. [01:27] dive, linus only supports the latest stable. so when 2.6.29 is released, you wont find sec fixes for 2.6.28 anymore. however you will for 2.6.27. [01:28] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:28] hmmm [01:28] vile, I dont run bleeeding edge kernels no. Overtime, I realized that is meant for people who have (a) fast pc's (b) time to upgrade a new to all their pc's. it just doesnt pay for all that work, for things that you may not even need. many kernels come out with things that Ihave no need for , so why build them ya know. [01:29] I have too many questions. I think I'm going to give it a rest for a while. [01:29] dive, one of the kernel dev's 'adopted' 2.6.27 as the long term support kernel [01:29] I tend to upgrade kernel when the slack I'm running does or there is a specific need for an upgrade [01:29] dive, so enterprise distro's bsae on that [01:29] *base [01:29] m0nik3r5_ (n=sluttySu@c-67-183-212-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] That's interesting Old_Fogie. You can sit on 2.6.27 while the zero day flaws are being fixed in the latest. [01:30] vile, yeah cuz they'll be "backported" by a kernel develpoer to the 2.6.27 branch [01:30] I have upgraded in the past to get a certain piece of h/w to work better [01:30] vile, zero days flaws? [01:30] I'll have to remember that. [01:31] ah for the older days of v 0.0.1 [01:31] I just meant bugs missed before launch day. [01:31] There's always a few in everything. [01:32] vile, the linux kernel is not something that gets a lot of security flaws, i only remember one major one, and that was a local root escalation one (vsplice), i can't think of any others in the last few years [01:32] I'm not sure tho if 2.4 is still supported, I believe it is... can't remember atm. [01:32] most of the major bugs are panics on crazy configz [01:32] and data loss etc, not really security related for the average user [01:32] edman007: playing with slack 12.2 on Appro 1100 [01:32] any bug fixes sent to keeper of 2.6.27 will no doubt be passed on to whatever the latest branch is... [01:32] edman007, actually every kernel release has cve's in it, that's why it's better to run lts kernels [01:32] lts kernels? [01:32] Old_Fogie: slack and 2.4? no don't think so [01:33] Lets see. Try to get to sleep or go play chess? [01:33] panzer, long term support [01:33] Old_Fogie, yea, i understand they have some, but not root priv escalation (which is really the type that most people are concerned about) [01:33] edman007, ah ok [01:33] Action: t0f was one of the last no-udev-nohal and oos man [01:33] ok so there are lts kernels now? [01:34] oss [01:34] epoch (i=1000@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: "A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God." [01:34] t0f, I know 2.4 was 6 mon's ago, I'm trying to find the link now. I ?think? the dev said he had some more stuff to backport,and then that was going to be the end of it, but don't quote me on that. I'm still running 2.4 here on 2 boxen [01:34] othermindszine (n=othermin@166.sub-70-193-33.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:34] panzer, there's always been. but sadly kernel.org is too lazy to state it anywhere, or have an update policy. [01:35] panzer, you have to "be lucky" and read it on mailing list [01:35] oh ok [01:35] I've heard Linux is quite secure. I think it was Slackware I read only had one major flaw over a number of years. [01:35] I picked Slack because I read that it's one of the most stable, secure, and - most importantly - UNIX like distros. [01:35] so where perhaps might one find that outside of the mailing list? [01:35] Old_Fogie, the vsplice one was bad because it allowed anyone with shell access on an affected kernel to get a root shell, and things like that is rare (and that is what people use to hack, they get shell through some other thing you have running to get an unprivleged user and then do a root exploit from there to take control) [01:35] they wont even say "security fix" in a changelog of the kernel, linus doesnt like that word [01:35] roccity_ (n=roccity@ip-118-90-120-233.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:35] Old_Fogie: yeah, i converted when i finally got alsa to sound good, about 2 yreas ago, i think [01:36] t0f, I'm using 2.4 primarily since it handles 16 bit pcmcia cards better. "hotplug" seems better than what's done in 2.6 series for my hardware [01:36] Old_Fogie: ic [01:37] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [01:37] and what cards do you have [01:37] ? [01:37] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:37] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [01:37] bryjen (n=bryjen@cpe-75-81-243-228.we.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:37] panzer, dlink dfe [01:38] hey, can i compile a module in Slax live? [01:38] wifi card then? [01:38] panzer, and a 16bit wifi card too,it's athero's [01:38] or do i have to rebuild Slax before the boot [01:38] ok [01:38] 10/100 dfe 650 wired, and a 16bit wifi [01:38] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:38] oh, and a pcmcia modem [01:39] ok so explain to me why one can not get 32bit pcmcia cards? [01:39] for some reason, I dont know if it's slackware, or udev, or hal or what..but I cant get any slackware over 11 to work with them cards at all [01:39] panzer, my pcmcia slot only does 16bit [01:39] oh very old laptop then [01:39] yes :( [01:39] othermindszine (n=othermin@166.sub-70-193-33.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:39] but it still works :) [01:40] I just noticed a page has been loading for around 10 minutes. I wonder if it's the modem or if someone forgot a document.close(). The page looks complete. [01:40] Old_Fogie: of course. I have here Slut. Dual 1gig P3. Concubine is the dual AMD MP 2000. Very old but still working. [01:41] nice hostnames :) [01:41] but are they "fully qualified" :) [01:41] I'm going to have to dig into this OS soon. Right now, I think I'm going to play chess. [01:41] Nice meeting everyone. [01:41] Thanks for the tips, advice, and patience with the new guy. [01:41] Channel flood from vile -- kicking [01:41] bye [01:41] vile kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:41] Old_Fogie: slut.bordello.lan good enough? [01:42] hahah [01:42] :) [01:42] lol [01:42] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] Whore (400mhz cel with 384 of ram) is over there > [01:43] bah you beat my 600mhz with 512MB :-( [01:44] Companion (Dual 500mhz Cel with 384 360gig drive space plus dvd burner) is at home [01:44] is it possible (provided a steady hand) to solder in an agp card in a Dell p4 and actually have the bios see it? [01:44] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:44] though I do have Madama soon to be up and running. 3U with 8 IDE drives [01:45] ancient is a 166 with 32 megs. [01:45] nice [01:45] agp slot, that is [01:45] I was sitting here and heard a bird singing loudly, and thinking 'why is it singing this time of night?' then I realised it was actually dawn again and they were all singing [01:45] and I been up all night again [01:45] dive: lolo [01:45] still night here [01:45] and here [01:45] :-) [01:46] i hate it when that happens [01:46] 5:45 - god [01:46] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:46] 10:45 here [01:46] and a headache to boot - painkiller should sort it out [01:47] i have a Dell with an i915 chepset that seems to hate me [01:48] t0f: would it not be easier to find a PCI card for that dell? [01:49] might you also think about replacing the board completely [01:49] i tried a raedon 64 meg card and it does not work [01:50] panzer: do you think it may help to load the i810 driver [01:50] or perhaps nov{whaever} driver [01:51] a good friend gave me thae system and expects that i can make it work in slackware as it works fine to him in xp [01:52] darn i am tired i cant type or even think :\ [01:53] i know what i'll do, i'll load xp on it and say that he converted me to windows. of course after he leaves, it back to a nice os [01:54] lol [01:54] :) [01:54] Yudha_HT (i=1000@114.121.48.62) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:54] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:55] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [01:56] can all you broadbands stream this? http://wjam.tv [01:56] i'm a dial-up and can not [01:57] hmm, nfs makes my load avg omg high [01:57] edman007, really? [01:57] edman007, that's odd, really no joke. I always found it good, I mean that's what I use [01:57] Old_Fogie, yea...i think it has something to do with my raid card (its waiting on it) [01:58] 01:56:34 up 45 min, 5 users, load average: 4.72, 2.06, 0.96 [01:58] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:58] thats coppying some large files from my laptop to my desktop [01:58] I even use it for my 166mhz box too [01:58] export the home on that one too [01:58] its all IO though, so not bad, but FF is unusable :( [01:58] what app are you using? [01:58] to do the copy? [01:58] and this is with data=writeback which is suppose to make FF not suck... [01:58] Old_Fogie, yea [01:58] rworkman: ping [01:59] pong [01:59] like 7GB of stuff (1GB files) [01:59] Does building the latest qt4 for you give a bunch of patch failures (patch already applied, blah blah blah)? [01:59] Action: edman007 is considering making FF just run on tmpfs [01:59] edman007, that's still really odd [02:00] By latest qt4, I mean the last current release. [02:00] jkwood: I haven't tried, but probably. [02:00] Old_Fogie, nah, probably because there are like 8nfs threads on my system... [02:00] jkwood, slacky's scripts work, but they put qt4 in /opt so it takes some hacking if you want it in /usr/lib like sbo has [02:00] K. I'm just trying to figure out where the patches are coming from... they're not in the SlackBuild directory. [02:00] hah, actually 10 nfs threads [02:01] edman007, are you using 'defaults' in fstab, or specifygin any rsize,wsize stuff? [02:01] Old_Fogie, mounted from a mac...so i don't have a clue [02:01] Old_Fogie: Well, I'm working on porting the latest changes in -current over to Slamd64. [02:01] jkwood: they're somewhere in the qt-copy source itself [02:01] jkwood, oh heh :) [02:02] mithenks (n=eymrich@213.243.231.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:02] Ah, okay. I'll just assume it's fine for now, then. Thanks. =) [02:02] jkwood: yeah, it almost surely is [02:03] I dont knwo what the FF dev's fixed in the 180 files from 3 days (or so ago) for firefox beta, but woh did it jus get faster here for me. [02:03] rworkman, how you getting on with abiword? I found the cure of my problem was --with-gio=no, then no more libgsf error [02:03] m0nik3r5_ (n=sluttySu@c-67-183-212-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:03] dive, is that what it is? that abiword latest is fail for me here too [02:04] Old_Fogie, that fixed it for me [02:04] Old_Fogie, that's the svn by the way [02:04] not stable [02:04] yeah if you dont have gnome-vfs, or gnome there, then gio is of no use any how. so good move. [02:04] I never open doc's up over the lan, that's just begging for issues :) [02:05] Old_Fogie, I have a slackbuild on my site for building abi from svn [02:05] ah nice. I love abiword, what a great app. [02:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:05] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds [02:06] you know what's odd tho is, I build the help docs yet they dont work. the help menu in abiword takes me to their site [02:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.168.171) left irc: "leaving" [02:06] yeah it does [02:06] usr/share/abiword-2.6/help/en-US/aboutos.html [02:06] and so on and so forth [02:06] It probably requires gio now [02:06] I'm probably going to just take it out of the build sys [02:06] dive: I've not looked any more :/ [02:07] -current's gtk includes gio, so maybe it will build fine there [02:07] you might be able to build it with "gio-standalone" from gnome's site. but again, if you're not running gnome, or have gnome-vfs its' of no use, that's what the gio is for. [02:08] i have to set-up my rsyncs as cron jobs [02:08] much I have to still change about this install. [02:08] dunno we will have to see how it progresses I gues [02:08] Old_Fogie: probably it can/will/should use gvfs [02:09] I have a build for it, but it's not online anywhere yet. Still some things to work out with that (namely, how the hell it works) [02:09] rworkman, oh I used that word interchangeably there, and that's wrong [02:09] Well, gvfs depends on gio to work [02:10] Anyway, I've been on the road a while today, so I'll be signing off soon tonight. Hopefully I'll be able to get some things accomplished tomorrow [02:10] root__ (n=nukedclx@azr64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:10] well you build glib2..then gtk..then (a ton of stuff) then gvfs, then gnome-vfs [02:10] rworkman, ^^ [02:10] rworkman, restful sleep pal [02:10] man a few years ago i was a gnome junkie, i kick the habit [02:10] it seems that I am goign to kick gui's [02:11] I was just reminded about how bad I hate kde [02:11] and nudge Fred into libraster update :P [02:11] rworkman, oh put 'atk' just before gtk there [02:11] panzer: i just started using a gui full time in 2005 [02:11] not fred... jees what's his name? [02:11] so it's glib2, atk, gtk, gvfs, gnome-vfs [02:12] glib2 is in slack I think? [02:12] gvfs is supposed to replaced gnome-vfs in time tho [02:12] dive, yes [02:12] dive: yep, so is {a,g}tk [02:13] I just wish an app like abiword (and a few others) would not start req'ing gnome or qt to work... [02:13] dive, the depends are insane for abiword [02:13] wow that baby is loud [02:13] use staroffice. tof ducks [02:13] yeah I know there are a few gnome things in there but jees [02:14] Action: dive throws a brick at t0f *bonk* [02:14] hit!! [02:14] hehehe [02:14] now do I get a paper hat or a teddy? [02:15] knocked his coconuts right off [02:15] what's the story with xpdf? it renders nothing here. i use kpdf [02:15] dunno it used to be ok [02:16] although I had to make an alias to make it open at a certain size.. [02:16] but kpdf always worked better and had more use [02:16] kpdf is a nice app [02:16] as is ghostview [02:16] two of my fav apps [02:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:16] yht (i=1000@114.121.111.110) joined ##slackware. [02:17] kstars is a staple of mine [02:17] hmmm you just reminded me of lyx [02:17] I use evince almost as much as kpdf, but kpdf has better search features than evince [02:17] lyx is good++ [02:17] lynx? great stuff [02:17] no [02:17] lyx [02:17] oh [02:17] dive, I'm so lost on that lyx :) [02:17] othermindszine (n=othermin@166.sub-70-193-33.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:17] I use it for letters and that's all really [02:18] but it has greater potential [02:18] yeah, my docs never look good as the help/demo :) [02:18] esp for large essays etc [02:18] there are templates [02:18] vi is good enough for me [02:19] ^^ to poop on :) [02:19] vi is good [02:19] I use it for writing and a shortcut to 'abiword -t rtf (expand %)' or some such [02:20] god 6:28am [02:20] nope 6:20 [02:21] and the birds have stopped singing. I wonder why [02:21] it's 2:21 and 0c here [02:21] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: "if i don't come back blame amd" [02:22] t0f, 2:21? You just haven't lived :-) [02:22] t0f: -1c here. [02:22] where are you guys? [02:22] it's colse to -1 here too, 31F [02:22] close [02:22] antarctic? [02:23] t0f: Yeah. 30F here [02:23] dive: Minnesota [02:23] i am near Philly [02:23] I had to turn heating off last night cos I was sweatng [02:24] whaer are you dive? [02:24] 9 degrees C [02:24] It's suppose to be in the 50s and 60s the next few days. [02:24] UK [02:24] ah [02:24] my mother state :) [02:24] as an american [02:25] well that's a matter of opinion by some, but I welcome all [02:25] i agree dive [02:25] after the fights we had in years past... [02:26] we (as in me) hold no prejustices to the UK [02:26] good to know [02:27] othermindszine (n=othermin@0.sub-75-216-32.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [02:27] time to put some coffee on.. [02:27] the UK gave us so many great rock groups in the 1960's and 1970's [02:28] Alex Harvey, for one [02:28] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cjm126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:30] kworldmap shows the the sun just rose in the UK [02:30] not really listened to his stuff - at that time I was listening to pink floyd and black sabbath [02:30] yeah it's quite light out now [02:30] i like them all [02:31] the kinks and the list goes on [02:31] yeah alot of good bands, singers from the UK. they haven't had any from there in a long time, not sure what they're doing wrong over there that they're lacking so badly lately. [02:31] Action: Old_Fogie hides hahah :) [02:32] hehehehehe [02:32] Old_Fogie, no I agree - with one exception: Radiohead [02:32] that's the only band I've listened to for around 10 years or more from UK [02:33] i think the UK bands burned themselves out with the punk invasion [02:33] other than that I listen to Nirvana, STP, and a few others but mostly from USA [02:33] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.20.33) joined ##slackware. [02:33] dive: where you from? [02:33] UK [02:33] nice. [02:34] yea those Germans still got some nice stuff [02:34] I'm listening to some good ole Neil Young atm. [02:34] crazyhorse days of course [02:34] i am listening to Tommy [02:34] oh that's a good one for sure [02:34] I'm gonna go on a Radiohead bender as as it's acceptable to put music on loud [02:35] I dont think I ever listened to them before to be honest [02:35] worth it [02:36] i dont think i've ever heard Radiohead, any suggested song? [02:36] oh they did the creep song, oh ok. yea that's not my type of music, ( axe and grind' to it, or 'jazz' ) [02:36] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: ":wq" [02:36] they are one of the few UK bands to continually output original sounds [02:37] Old_Fogie, don't judge them by creep [02:37] have a listen to ok computer and what comes later [02:37] Action: t0f now HAS to hear Creep [02:37] dive, yea seemed kind a candy ass to me ( i like the axe n grind, or jazz, or blues) [02:38] better than a britney spears type tho [02:38] best version of creep i heard was that woman from pretenders do it on acoustic buts by the by [02:38] yeah she has a great voice, oh what's her name now [02:39] come on, you should know [02:40] I can see her face too, darn it ... [02:40] chrissie... [02:40] yeah I had to google :) [02:41] hehe [02:41] it is almost 3am here after all :) [02:41] is fake trees a good song? [02:41] Here is Creep by The Pretenders. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lML2N4xB9GU [02:41] they are all good songs [02:42] ok dive, i'll give them an open minded listen [02:43] and it's fake plastic trees, though I don't know why plastic shoudl be faker than any other types [02:43] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [02:43] wb edman007 [02:43] yea...didn't work :( [02:43] x crashed [02:44] i'm pasting the backtrace in a bit, maybe someone can help :/ [02:44] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:45] Action: edman007 kicks FF [02:45] i have to enter my password a dozen times and wait 5 minutes for it to open :( [02:46] edman007, what are you doing export a home over nfs or what? [02:46] FF is firefox then yes? [02:46] yes [02:47] I'm running todays mercurial of ff3 , so far so good [02:47] hmm I do not like running a web browser as ones irc client [02:47] Old_Fogie, no...i got about ~150 tabs open, about a dozen pages with user info too, so they all open, FF dies, and then hits a race condition for the keychain auth and i have to enter my keychain password a dozen times [02:47] nobody fixed that bug last time i checked... [02:47] been there a long time [02:48] anyways http://pastebin.com/m40a01cac (that is slamd64) [02:48] 150 tabs open? why have that many open? a torture test on it? [02:48] and many tabs is still nasty [02:48] dive: radiohead is very good [02:48] but yet people don't understand us many tabs people [02:48] most I ever have is maybe 5 and that's really only from doing 'open in new tab' for a google search [02:48] panzer: i am tab happy myself [02:48] panzer, i got tabmix plus, it shows as three rows of favicons [02:49] I keep 97 tabs open on Slut [02:49] and i have that many because i prefer tabs over bookmarks [02:49] panzer, sounds like a slut [02:49] she is [02:49] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:49] i cant wait for next seamonkey tho , opera's gone probably when they come out. i'm running this ff as a test since I know the next version out soon, and the wife's gonna want it and all that [02:50] firebird619, that version isn't the one I know - when she played it by herself live with no backupd [02:50] i have 7 firefox windows open with an average 10 tabs per window. Sheez, time to restart firefox [02:50] I dont even know how you know what you got open in that many tabs. I cant even see that as being useful. [02:50] dive: Yeah, there was another version I found of Chrissie covering it, but the flash video didn't work on that site. [02:51] and only 5 days uptime [02:51] I probably just dont know how to use it right [02:51] Old_Fogie: maybe it is cause you are old? [02:51] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] dive: That one wasn't on youtube either. [02:51] no worries [02:51] panzer, I guess so. I cant see myself keeping track of what's where [02:51] has anyone tried the new firefox 3.1 beta 3 yet? The tab + button is a life saver, that was the option from opera I was hoping to get [02:51] pirving, running it now :) [02:51] Old_Fogie: don't feel old, i am older [02:51] cool, when did it come out? [02:51] hehehe [02:51] Old_Fogie: but of course to each his own. I enjoy my tabs and love the fact that if something stupid happens I don't have to worry about losing anything [02:51] they got rid of that *blasted* location bar crap too [02:52] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [02:52] panzer, yeah, while I dont use a browser that way, it should work properly and that's not good that they still aint fixed it [02:52] Old_Fogie: You mean where it dropped down when typing an address. [02:52] firebird619, yes [02:52] you can turn it off in about:config now [02:53] opera used to freeze up with that [02:53] with 3.07?cool [02:53] noone I know liked it, they prefer the 'dual pane bookmarks extension' (like opera) instead of that [02:53] t0f, yup [02:53] start typing, freeze, wait a couple of minutes, continue typing [02:53] Old_Fogie: Thank goodness. The few times I use FF, that is annoying. [02:53] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [02:54] I would like it though if you are a many tabs user if it loaded up say five at a time [02:54] dive: I have never had that happen with opera. [02:54] this getting a restart of FF and then having all 97 try to load up at once just kills it [02:54] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:54] happened to me a lot until I was told how to turn off the autocomplete url crap [02:54] firebird619, yeah that typeahead find in version 3.X of FF made it unuseable if you had a slow pc, or bad vga card [02:55] dive: Oh. [02:55] I'm glad it can be turned off. like I said I got it running here, 866 mhz box with only 128 mb ram [02:55] but now I just use elinks so fooy to X [02:55] Old_Fogie: Yeah, my PC isn't slow or anything, but it was just an annoying feature. [02:55] also, the disk thrashing is gone too [02:55] they must have fixed the way they work the sqlite [02:55] for the google anti phishing [02:55] cuz there's hardly any IO while FF is just idle [02:56] earte (n=root@61.17.164.89) left irc: "Leaving" [02:56] why only that small amount of ram? [02:56] it used to , about every 30 seconds, just go nuts clunking the hard drive...then go idle again. over and over. [02:56] panzer, it's all the box has :) [02:56] Old_Fogie: Thats good. I only use FF if a site doesn't work in opera, but it still is good to know they're making good progress. [02:56] why not give box more [02:56] yeah this ff is way better than 3 [02:57] Old_Fogie: I will maybe have to check it out. I have started playing around with the new Opera 10 Preview Build. :) [02:57] only thing odd is, they did the stupid epiphany from gnome thing...if you close the last tab..then the whole browser closes by default. that can be changed in about:config too tho. but by default, if you close the current tab..the whole FF closes [02:58] and if you hit "ctrl+w" to close the last tab..a new tab opens for a few seconds..then both of them close..very odd behaviour [02:58] Old_Fogie: Why would they do that? :P [02:58] hmm, people are saying vbox causes my errors, i wonder if kvm might cause them as well... [02:58] that is not weird [02:58] dont know why they have to "open a new tab" to close the only one that's open [02:59] panzer, well it's weird since that's now how I'm used to ever seeing FF do. [02:59] it's not so much weird, just different [02:59] Old_Fogie: Well, maybe some of that will be changed/fixed before final release. [02:59] that might be but closing last tab closes FF would be normal [02:59] certainly takes 'one by surprise' the first time you do it [03:00] maybe [03:00] I just have gotten used to that over the years [03:00] the only other thing I noticed is, yahoo mail..the check boxes dont work, until you move your cursor away from the check box. like you click a checkbox..and it still shows it unchecked, til' you move your mouse away about an inch or so from the box. [03:01] but, that's the only things I've noticed. so those 3 very minor things aside, and given the performance boost, this is definitely daily use ready for sure I think [03:01] Old_Fogie, go into options and make it so show tab bar when more than one tab is set - then you won't see a close button on the last tab ;-) [03:01] Old_Fogie: Always seems to be some weird behavior. I don't use Yahoo Mail, though. I have an account, I just don't use it. [03:02] that's a simple fix. :) [03:02] but the weird thing for me is the underground secret fix everything section of FF [03:02] If you don't see it, you can't use it. [03:02] yup [03:02] panzer, sorry I dont follow you, [03:03] the what is it ::output [03:03] you know... the secret 'fix-all'button [03:03] or something like that you type in address bar and get all the options [03:03] mithenks (n=eymrich@213.243.231.14) joined ##slackware. [03:03] oh yea, about:config is turning into a windows regstry :) [03:03] why is it that arts doesn't cleanup after itself? [03:04] why doesn't artsd just die would be a better question [03:04] Old_Fogie: Yeah, there's alot in about:config. [03:04] and why does xfce still load a load of kde stuff when it's not checked [03:04] i use it once and there it remains in the processes [03:05] firebird619, and its really not documented territory either [03:05] Old_Fogie: No, it isn't. At least it is unlike the Windows Registry in that if something goes wrong, it doesn't mess up the whole system. [03:05] true [03:05] firebird619, this is true [03:06] and it is not bad that about:config is large. what is bad is you have to run across it on the net [03:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:06] but that's the beauty of rc files - they (usually) only affect that one program [03:06] dive: Yes, that is nice. [03:07] Old_Fogie: So what version of FF are you using, the latest snapshot or FF 3.1 Beta 3? [03:07] although I would like to see xfce settings come out of ~/.config into its own dir [03:07] firebird619, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b4pre) Gecko/20090313 Firefox/3.1b4pre [03:07] at first i had a hard time finding xfce's configs [03:08] Old_Fogie: Ok, I am looking for it now. Going to give it a shot. Did you install it or just running it from its directory? [03:09] firebird619, I built my own from mercurial. [03:09] Old_Fogie: Ah, ok. :) [03:09] I found the 3.2 pre-alpha's. [03:11] I think they have nightly builds iirc [03:11] Old_Fogie: Yeah, that is what I got into there with the 3.2 stuff. [03:11] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:11] why not have your own builds? [03:11] nightly [03:11] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [03:12] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:12] Old_Fogie: Which is better, build from mercurial (which I've never done) or run from it's directory. Are there benefits to building and running that way? [03:13] I'm not that big an FF fan too. I'm only building it every few days since their next version's a coming soon, so just really tweaking my .mozconfig for it w.r.t my system. I still can't get openldap to work here, but oh well. [03:13] firebird619, well from mercurial, you have to have the very old autoconf (not in slackware) or patch the sources. if you wait til' they give an offiicial release source ball, then you can use ./configure.... [03:14] Old_Fogie: Do you use FF all the time then or do you use something else and just keep track of FF? [03:14] Old_Fogie: Ok, I usually just run the new stuff from their directory. [03:14] my family, wife all love FF. I prefer opera in linux and FF in windows. FF in linux is just too slow for me. [03:15] Old_Fogie: Ah, you like opera too. Good Choice :; [03:15] ;-) [03:15] Old_Fogie: I know what you mean with FF slow in Linux. [03:15] yeah, it's way faster across the board I find [03:16] Old_Fogie: My use of 10 RC, Preview, etc. It is even faster than it is now. [03:16] Opera 10 RC, Preview I mean. [03:16] now FF in windows, is just a tad slower than opera is windows. but it's way slower in linux it's so blatently obvious where the FF dev's attention is [03:16] ehy guy [03:17] someone here has tried to build gnome on slack? [03:17] mithenks, yep [03:17] Old_Fogie: Do you use opera for mail too, or something else. [03:17] Old_Fogie: which way? jhbuild? [03:17] firebird619, for pop/smtp? no. I use it for webmail tho, and with my bsd egroupware server here [03:18] mithenks, I wrote slackbuilds for each, and made my own buildsys :) [03:18] Old_Fogie: Ok. I use it for mail too, fastest e-mail client I've ever used. [03:18] mithenks, try gware for Slackware (it's a 3rd party gnome) [03:18] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CFA63.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [03:18] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:19] yes I know, but all 3rd paty gnome are never uptodate [03:19] I've build it with jhbuild, but now I have some issue [03:19] that's because gnome is highly intrusive, and the gnome projects for slackware spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to get it to work since gnome is very intrusive [03:19] if you wnat gnone load ubuntu [03:20] mithenks, the only difference in gnome from 2.26/27 now is stuff in mono . gware and gsb have a version of gnome that hasnt really changed imho. [03:21] meaing..there's really nothing worth writing home about for the bleeding edge of gnome except that their putting in more mono crap. and yes I have 2.26 here [03:21] Old_Fogie: Opera 10 is bringing with it OperaTurbo for low bandwidth situations, as well as HTML e-mail (which I don't really use at all, my e-mails are always plain text.) [03:21] yeah I prefer plain text too [03:21] yes but, also, I'm trying to understand how to build gnome [03:21] Old_Fogie: more mono stuff in gnome. [03:22] mithenks, then I'd recommend using something that's actually "meant" for slackware, and not a "generic" such as jhbuild. jhbuild, assumes you have (a) pam (b) policykit onboard..and Slackware does not have thos items. At least if you use a 3rd party desigined for Slackware project, they make their buildscripts and buildsystem work accordingly to actually what's on the box. [03:23] firebird619, the goal is to get gnome out of gtk, and fully onto mono [03:23] Old_Fogie: Ah, ok. I don't really care for gnome and haven't really kept up with its development. [03:23] now then: if I make a slackbuild for qbittorrent that needs a certain version of a lib that isn't yet available on sbo, but make an sb for that lib on my ftp and link to it, would that be acceptable or not? [03:24] which is why really, at the end of the day, the only new feature to gnome, is tabs in nautilus, and moving more to gvfs and away from gnome-vfs. other than that, nothings changed (oh some network manager stuff) that's really about ti [03:24] but I have a mono-less gnome here, I dont need all that duplicity [03:24] I should prabably ask that in #slackbuilds... [03:25] Old_Fogie: wicd works good for me. I just have a desktop with wired connection. To me, NM is a pain, or was a pain when I used it. I always disabled it on the distros I've used that had it. [03:25] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:25] moha__ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:25] dive: Cool, your making a SB for qbittorrent, or attempting? [03:26] firebird619, if you use dhcp, network manager's 'ok' but glitchy at times I noticed too. I prefer to just use what comes with slackware, so I dont build it or link to it for boxes that have fixed ip's. I just rebuild them pax that migh tlink to it. [03:26] firebird619, the problem is, it requires a certain version of a lib that isn't yet updated on SBo [03:26] firebird619, on debian etch, network manager is a nightmare tho for sure. [03:27] I havent tested it on lenny yet tho [03:27] Old_Fogie: Yes, I used Debian before I came to Slackware. [03:27] firebird619, also, if you are using a desktop pc why not just use the standard /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 to connect? wicd is more for wifi romaing.. [03:27] id debian up to 12 cd's yet? [03:28] Old_Fogie: Also, the tabs in nautilus aren't that great a thing. I have a 22 inch monitor, I have plenty of room to have stuff open. [03:28] is* [03:28] dive: Mainly to just see what it was like. I will probably go back to rc.inet1 stuff. [03:28] NetworkManager made me stop using wifi ;p [03:28] t0f: Yes, I think so. They also have iirc 5 DVDs, and as of Lenny, 1 Blu-Ray Disc. [03:29] (well, wifi wasn't even better supported on windows) [03:29] wow [03:29] Camarade_Tux, morning o/ [03:29] hey dive :) [03:29] with all that stuff, you dont need aptget [03:30] except locally [03:30] t0f: 31 CDs, but I am sure you don't need them all for a decent install. I always used the DVD when I used Debian. [03:30] they could even snail mail you a hard drive with everything on it ;p [03:30] t0f, no joke, the way they split up programs into thousands of packages, you gotta [03:30] 31 CDs? [03:30] w [03:30] t [03:30] Channel flood from dive -- kicking [03:30] f [03:30] dive kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:30] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [03:30] heh [03:31] hehe dive ;p [03:31] haha. good job dive. [03:31] heheheh [03:31] at least you got your message written ;p [03:31] yeah thanks god for small mercies ;-) [03:31] dive: that's what you get for using enter as a space. lol [03:31] I think they split up programs into thousands of packages so "noobie bloggers" say "debian has 30,000 programs to use, more than any other distro" <---ROFL. there is no such program "libkopete-0.." [03:31] for example [03:32] You have to try freebsd for fun [03:32] I hate how the fedora cd installer(not the livecd installer) is like 5 cds [03:32] but yeah, splitting packages is terribly stupid, I wonder what the algorithmic complexity of their dependency sorting algorithm, I'm almost sure it's starting to hurt [03:32] set up lamp on a clean freebsd install and see how it goes [03:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:33] dive: its kinda hard to set up a LAMP server on freebsd ;) [03:33] Camarade_Tux, it makes sense in a way, since using apt-get for an install is takes less bandwith usage for a netowrk install. but they go way overboard on it. [03:33] well ok without the L [03:33] Camarade_Tux, and I mean *way* overboard [03:33] dive: I thought you needed linux for LAMP? :D [03:33] i guess it would uamp or bamp [03:33] yeah ok [03:33] it's early... [03:34] is htop included in slack 12.2, now [03:34] dive: or its really late ;) [03:34] t0f, no I wish it were tho, but SBo has scrippages [03:34] htop rules [03:34] true [03:34] agreed [03:34] Action: jareth_ is gonna take a shower... [03:34] regular 'top' doesn't stroke my fancey [03:34] jareth_: the care cup is empty [03:35] hehe [03:35] time is irrelevant... procrastinate all you like :-) [03:35] Old_Fogie, it *could* make sense but the dependency are basically ocaml* depend on ocaml and ocaml depends on every ocaml* so everything ends up being installed most of the time [03:35] (well, that may be false for ocaml since the packagers are intelligent but that is certainly true for other packages) [03:35] Camarade_Tux, exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that too you. [03:36] he, /me didn't understand overboard ;) [03:36] Camarade_Tux, yeah you cant install kopete without libkopete...so why have a libkopete ? [03:36] x depends on lib_x which depends on lib_y which depends on GNOME [03:36] they go way too far at splitting up, like I said, it's to confuse noob blogger to thinking they have the most packages I think :) [03:37] I guess the reason is not to update kopete when only libkopete needs to be, and vice-versa [03:37] but that probably doesn't happen very often [03:37] I can totally see have a "kopete-dev" or includes for apps [03:37] but not spliting up an app like kopete into 4 packages, that's just e-tarded [03:38] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.87.156.226) joined ##slackware. [03:38] I remember in Debian that just to remove the swf flash that they preinstalled, it wanted to remove gnome. [03:38] wow, 3 weeks since a kernel release. they must be planning something big [03:38] he, I remember in opensuse that X depended on firefox, NOT the other way round ! [03:38] firebird619, yeah the only way to fix that is install a flash of your own, that says "replaces swf" else you break the libchain [03:39] t0f, Date: Thu Mar 12 19:39:28 2009 -0700; Linus 2.6.29-rc8 [03:39] and it should be last rc [03:39] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [03:39] firebird619, the swf is by nautilus, so yeah that'll break gnome if you dont build your own proprietary flash, or use from debian-multimedia.org as they have the override in the package [03:39] Camarade_Tux: i dont dl the rc, anymore [03:39] or in gentoo where portage depended on bash and bash depended on portage [03:39] t0f, I have a git repo >< [03:40] ic [03:40] Old_Fogie: Yeah, I got around it by installing the flash-plugin and removing the swf file from the swfdec-mozilla folder. [03:40] but the reason is it's easier and faster to change to stable releases [03:40] and to recompile :) [03:41] flash is such a cpu hog [03:41] don't worry, gnash is just the same if not worse :) [03:41] flash is one of the worst things invented [03:41] if i need to load flash, i startup seamonkey [03:42] Camarade_Tux: I've tried gnash before, it didn't really work on most flash sites. This was 8-9 months ago though. Has it improved? [03:42] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-94-194.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] firebird619, I tried the latest release but couldn't get it to work, I'm sure I mis./configured it though, I'll maybe try again today [03:42] last time I tried it there was no sound, but that was over a year ago [03:43] Camarade_Tux: Ok. [03:43] good, find /usr/lib64/ -iname "*libflash*" returns nothing :) [03:43] I'm still on the mailing list but rarely read it [03:43] and I didn't have the proper gstreamer backend iirc [03:43] dive: sound always worked for me, it was the video part that wasn't good. [03:43] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [03:43] the latest release should have x264 support, which most sites use now (and have been using for years...) [03:44] Camarade_Tux: that will be nice. [03:45] hey, I have nothing to do right now, let's try gnash again ;p [03:45] Camarade_Tux: yay. have fun. :) [03:47] I am on KDE 4.2.1 right now and all the programs on the window list overlap each other. [03:49] I'm using DejaVuSansMono\ 6 as a font so I can put 9 xterm/(g)vim instances on the same 1280x800 screen, and it's much better than being able to only fit one :p [03:49] Camarade_Tux: You use that small of a font? [03:49] i uae a lot of comic sans from windows 3.1 [03:49] yeah :) [03:49] I'd rm my whole drive if I used that small a font [03:50] it's perfectly readable for me ;) [03:50] Old_Fogie: lol. me too. I use size 12. [03:50] yup 12, 120 dpi, 1024x768 [03:50] at size 5 anti-aliasing makes the font unreadable, for instance a 'o' has its center full [03:50] Old_Fogie: 12, 96, 1680x1050. [03:51] but if I do documents for the print shop then I changed to 96dpi [03:51] i use 1280x1024. i wish i could get better res [03:51] I would need binoculars if I were to use size 6. lol [03:51] yeah really :) [03:52] Old_Fogie: either that or use that one program that magnifies the screen, but in that case, why not just use bigger fonts. :) [03:52] I find a monospace font remains very readable at that size (and especially DejaVuSansMono) [03:53] deja is a nice font tho for sure [03:53] monospace is very readable, but a bit boring [03:53] Camarade_Tux: I usually use Liberation. I just tried size 6 in Konsole. That isn't readable to me. [03:54] liberation font, I tried that in the web browser, that's a complete mess. it moved pictures to odd locations in the web page, etc [03:55] Old_Fogie: I have used Liberation in FF, when I use FF, I've never had a problem with it. Well, now that you say that, I have had odd page renderings before, maybe the font was the cause and I didn't realize it. [03:55] t0f, but for xterm and gvim it's nice :) [03:55] I don't have that in firefox (I wish what I didn't have was firefox) [03:56] Camarade_Tux: heh. You don't like FF? [03:56] firebird619, I specify minimum size of fonts, and untick let web pages pick their fonts. regular sans, or deja seem ok with me doing that, but the liberations get really *odd* if I do that [03:57] Camarade_Tux: aggreed [03:57] Old_Fogie: I always do that too, otherwise some pages are just ridiculous in the fonts and sizes they chose. [03:57] choose [03:57] firebird619, I *hate* it :) [03:57] Camarade_Tux: run a safari port :) [03:58] Camarade_Tux: I use opera all the time, browser and mail. I only use FF if a page doesn't render in opera, which isn't often. [03:58] I find ff has the same approach than gnome : don't put things too complicated for the user, he could cry and complain to his mother [03:58] lol [03:59] t0f, I've started something but I need to get offscreen-rendering for webkit-gtk (for which I have a patch somebody sent me) but I also have work because of school, hopefully I should be able to resume my work soon :) [03:59] ff can eat ram for breakfast, well if you run many windows and tabs, that is [03:59] I read the other day an article that said a top security expert said that Safari was the easiest browser to hack (or whatever the proper word is). [03:59] firebird619, I don't like opera very much either, I don't know why though [03:59] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [03:59] t0f, I keep using firefox so I know what *not* to do and stay motivated ! [03:59] Camarade_Tux: I love it. I am playing around with the Opera 10 Preview Build right now. [04:00] run konqueror [04:00] Camarade_Tux: So your making your own browser? [04:00] heck, i run lynx when i can [04:01] even vi will browse [04:01] firebird619, he said *safari* is, not webkit and that makes a big difference : one of the point was safari was meant to be an easy browser and therefore made *assumptions* which could often be unsafe [04:01] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [04:02] t0f, I've stopped using kde and running only konqueror will be annoying, but that's the browser I like most [04:02] Camarade_Tux: Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying that. :) [04:03] i use xfce so kde is always at my mouse tips [04:03] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:03] t0f: I use XFCE too, but am on KDE 4.2.1 right now to try it out. [04:04] xfce ftw, kde ftl. no kde here :) [04:05] andarius: :) XFCE 4.6? I'm on KDE now and the window list is all overlapped and weird. I've never had that before. [04:05] yes, i am on 4.6 [04:05] andarius: me too. It's really nice. [04:05] i like it so far except that stupid right click. [04:06] andarius: You mean the right click bringing up the applications menu? [04:06] andarius: Oh, you mean the way it is on 4.6 now. They changed it a little. [04:06] they changed it from the earlier default behavior. you have to disable all desktop icons to get it like it was [04:07] andarius: Yeah, they did change it. It hasn't really bothered me to much, not yet anyway. [04:07] well since idont use desktop icons i changed it back and it does not bother me now either :) [04:08] andarius: I like that they allow you to select multiple icons with the mouse now, instead of individually clicking them. [04:08] on the desktop ? [04:08] andarius: I wish that when dragging and dropping icons from desktop to another folder, it would move them instead of copy them. [04:09] Action: andarius is not much on the drag and drop, nor desktop icons as noted. [04:09] 'Your Gstreamer installation is missing these codecs: mad', well, we'll see later on [04:09] andarius: Yeah, the desktop. That wasn't like that before, was it? Selecting multiple icons with mouse. I mean, before, you had to hold down control and individually click each icon to select it. [04:10] as noted, i dont use desktop icons. cant stand them [04:10] Camarade_Tux: I haven't been able to build the gst-plugins-mad from SBo, good and ugly installed fine though. Any idea as to why that would be? I can't remember what the error was. [04:11] andarius: What do you use? You just like your desktop nice and clean/empty? To be honest, I am that way too. If you get to many icons, it just covers up the wallpaper. [04:12] but now and then, I have some on there. [04:12] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "quit" [04:12] i use the right click menu for apps. gets me to anything i need [04:13] andarius: Yeah, I like the ability to right click on any blank space and get to the Apps/Settings menu. [04:14] firebird619, I can't even find it, do you mean -bad instead of -mad ? [04:14] Camarade_Tux: lol. Yeah. Sorry. [04:16] hmm, mad is part of -ugly, too bad [04:16] also, again, gnash asked me about gst-plugins-mad which doesn't even exist ! it's a fedora/debian invention [04:17] Camarade_Tux: Yeah. I guess I've never heard of mad. :) Now I have. [04:18] firebird619: just shout at the maintainer ;) [04:18] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:18] he, mad, mp3 decoding ;) [04:19] BP{k}: Well, I wouldn't shout. :) [04:20] firebird619: actually, if you can make/mail a build log. with as much info as possible, I would much appreciate it. [04:21] BP{k}: Yeah, I am just trying it again right now to see what the output is. [04:22] BP{k}: I'm using sbopkg right now. Is that ok? Will that give the right info? [04:22] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [04:22] firebird619: bash -x ./gst-plugin-bad.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee BUILD.Log [04:23] Nick change: arny -> arny` [04:23] BP{k}: Ok. That might have to be a project for tomorrow. It's 3:23 AM here. :D [04:23] firebird619: booo. I casn do it now and it's 8.30am. [04:23] be a man!. [04:23] smica (n=smica@szerver1.ibela.sulinet.hu) joined ##slackware. [04:25] BP{k}: lol :) I've been up 17 hours, 25 minutes. [04:26] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [04:26] I have to sleep sometime. [04:26] firebird619: after the build.log ;) [04:26] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [04:27] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.218.12.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:27] on a more serious note; yeah shoot it into my email some point this weekend and I'll have a look at it. [04:27] BP{k}: sure thing. [04:27] giorno a tutti [04:27] t0f (n=foo@wlbr-208-103-146-20.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] gnash plays a youtube video correctly, no sound though (aac) [04:28] i totally dislike diap-up [04:28] diap [04:28] damn [04:28] dial [04:29] BP{k}: Heh. I just opened Konsole and the fortune was "Better late than never" --Titus Livius (Livy) [04:29] easy for you to say :) [04:29] yeah (: [04:29] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [04:29] firebird619: hehe. [04:30] t0f: pft, back in the old day it wa sall we had! and the bits had to travel uphill! both ways! [04:31] for IMAP, is TLS preferred over SSL? [04:31] im so old, i still live in the old days [04:32] t0f: ah but think yourself luck .. in Old_Fogies day, he had to hand carry the bits over ;) [04:32] i got my first pc in about 1986 [04:32] aaaaaahhhhh, firefox killed himself ! (no, it didn't crash, it killed itself >< ) [04:32] on purpose ! [04:32] BP{k}: Here's what I get with sbopkg. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11039 <--- The lines with errors. [04:33] i remember when people said that 'we will never be able to send graphics over the modem' [04:33] but 300 baud, well [04:34] seems to be gst's fault, there's a .10 release that could fix the problem btw [04:34] BP{k}, are you up early or not gone to bed yet? [04:34] dive: what is this bed? [04:34] eg the sofa [04:34] ah .no, not yet. [04:34] mornin anyway :P [04:35] BP{k}: in my day we used stone tablets for backups [04:35] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:36] i give up trying to sleep - gonna work on a sb until it drives me mad [04:36] dive: can I give you a hint [04:36] or drives me to sleep [04:36] g on [04:36] stop adding water to the coffee, just munch coffee granules straight ;) [04:36] Nick change: yht -> Yudha_HT [04:36] heh [04:37] right now I'm on solpadeine tablets - paracetamol and cafeine [04:37] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [04:37] might stop my head aching and keep me up too [04:40] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:41] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:41] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:42] omgz! [04:42] this guy's got a problem [04:43] nullboy, what is omgz ? an omg but gzipped ? >< [04:43] lol [04:43] right, I think kethry has warmed the bed enough by now. [04:43] g'night lads :) [04:43] k I'll be right over [04:43] Action: Old_Fogie hides [04:43] BP{k}: good night. [04:43] Old_Fogie: bring some bacon ;) [04:44] BP{k}, hahaha and a trampeline? :D oh I'm so there! :) [04:45] I have to get going too. BP{k} I'll get that build.log to you tomorrow. [04:45] I thought it was tomorrow already [04:46] Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [04:46] damn am I confused [04:46] cyas [04:46] dive: heh. Well, technically, I guess it is. [04:46] welcome to my world dive :) [04:46] lol [04:46] 3:46 AM [04:46] Bye. [04:46] The Moon is Waning Gibbous (88% of Full) [04:46] where did you get that moon script from btw? [04:47] 'pom' in console [04:47] I know theres an applet for karamba [04:47] aha [04:47] rain is good too :) [04:47] well I'll be [04:47] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-63-43.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [04:47] Weather @ London/Gatwick: [04:47] Sky conditions: partly cloudy [04:47] Temperature: 48 F (9 C) [04:47] one of my own :P [04:48] pig latin is there too in console [04:48] rain is too much for me [04:48] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [04:48] see [04:48] :) [04:48] ahaway [04:48] kang1 (n=evan81ch@116.235.221.108) joined ##slackware. [04:49] intel gma915 how to improve the refresh of the external CRT monitor into 85hz using dual head (the native notebook refresh is 60hz) [04:49] Next SubGenius holiday: March 17 The Feast of the Blessed Leprechaun [04:49] I will be there [04:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:51] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn61.78-99-225.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [04:52] lol [04:52] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:52] if i ever build my own distro the package extension will be .omgz [04:52] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] because everytime you install or upgrade you'll be thinking "omgz" [04:53] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:53] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:54] cu all later on [04:54] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:55] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:56] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:58] t0f (n=foo@wlbr-208-103-146-20.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:01] is this possible the refresh of external crt monitor can be set at 85hz under the native refresh is 60hz? [05:02] i think most crts default to the safer 60hz anyway [05:03] modern crts won't blow up like people worry about, they have circuits to detect frequency overages [05:04] so anyway, a monitor might be setup to default to 60hz but it might support much higher sometimes. 85hz wouldn't be out of the bounds of most modern crts [05:04] a *crt* limited to 60Hz ? with which resolution ? [05:05] guys, i think he "wants" the 85 [05:05] it is defaulting to 60 as it is running dual head with an lcd built onto the laptop [05:05] well what i said really meant try it, it won't go sploding [05:06] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B087409.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] unless it is old :) [05:07] like Smithsonian eligible [05:07] my last test screen was not that old but would do nasty things if over run [05:08] anyone; if you have a monitor near you right now that will burn up with an over set refresh rate you are putting everyone around you at risk. [05:08] this has been a test of the emergency broadcast system. [05:08] lol [05:09] it's not like it's going to explode with shards of glass flying out [05:09] you'll likely just blow a fuse or something [05:09] spontaniously essploding hardware is awesome [05:09] Hackers can BLOW UP your monitor [05:09] from across the world. [05:09] I had a sploding one once [05:09] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:10] i've had hard drives catch on fire in test machines [05:10] bit dumb of me connect it to an ibm running os2 though [05:10] flat out flamage [05:10] but we like flamage [05:10] http://www.sankakucomplex.com/wp-content/gallery/misc-images-xvi/hackers-turn-pcs-into-bombs.jpg [05:10] fire extinguisher style [05:10] You know, if it's a really old 65hz monitor and they get access and over-run it... [05:10] it might be possible [05:11] floppy drives used to spark really bad if you hooked them up backwards too [05:12] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection reset by peer [05:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:16] this guy ougth to stop using xchat or something [05:16] ouhtg? ought? [05:16] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:22] damn well better [05:22] Agiofws: hey man! [05:22] Agiofws: wifi problems? [05:26] so, im a newb trying to learn how to program. I have some books on c but i'm starting to wonder if its a good language to jump into [05:26] xchat crashes ... i'm going to see to it on monday or tommorow ... [05:28] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:29] Agiofws, most likely a problem related to some perl/python/... plugin [05:29] Camarade_Tux, i think so ... [05:29] Agiofws, use irssi ;) [05:30] and screen [05:30] ofc [05:30] i use a script to upload to image bin i'll have to see to it ... [05:30] dive, nope [05:30] see [05:30] birdlives, it's a language good to know anyway [05:30] www.imagebin.org/41330 [05:30] nice client [05:31] whar's that font ? :p [05:31] Yudha_HT (i=1000@114.121.111.110) left irc: "out" [05:31] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "snoozles are secretive little things you can only find when they want to be found" [05:31] Agiofws, what is that font? [05:32] here goes the font question again [05:32] it's crazy [05:32] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.218.135.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Kristen ITC Semi-Expanded 14 [05:32] i AM CRAZY [05:32] hehe, it looks like the one in the up-side-down-up slackware logo [05:33] www.imagebin.org/41331 [05:35] stazich (n=root@c-98-222-0-43.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] i'm playing with kdevelop, are there any other good compilers? [05:38] meanwhile, I use a monospace font in xchat ;p [05:38] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] birdlives, kdevelop is not a compiler, maybe an IDE [05:38] s/maybe/most probably/ [05:38] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@66.8.182.104) joined ##slackware. [05:39] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.251) joined ##slackware. [05:39] mornin' [05:40] <_RadioHead> morning [05:40] <_RadioHead> morning tewmten :) [05:40] hi tewmten, hi _RadioHead [05:40] <_RadioHead> Camarade_Tux: hello [05:40] hey _RadioHead, Camarade_Tux =) [05:40] <_RadioHead> :) [05:40] ja, da gute [05:41] <_RadioHead> morning start with huge greetings :) [05:41] birdlives: for C, on linux, you'll almost certainly be using gcc (or g++ for C++) [05:42] Nick change: moha__ -> mohaa [05:42] if you don't know another programming language already, you might want to start on perl/python or similar [05:44] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [05:44] gcc? yeah so far all i've really learned how to do is make calculators, and do arithmitec [05:44] is perl or python easier and what are they used for? [05:45] they're less strict, and more forgiving; they're used for just about anything [05:45] (they do have their downsides though) [05:50] fluxnuk3r, did you get my message about the sulfer theme? [05:50] and good morning btw [05:51] stazich (n=root@c-98-222-0-43.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:52] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [05:52] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Can someone running KDE 4.2.1 from -current do me a favour and tell me the output of qmake --version please? [05:56] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:57] (I think it's ~ 4.5.0 RC1; if so, I might build 4.2.1 on slamd64 against the qt-4.5.0 final qt-copy, which is bugfixes + LGPL licensing over 4.5.0RC1) [05:59] *KDE 4.2.1 [06:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:01] all I can say is qt4.4.3 (self-built) will give you qmake 2.01a [06:01] heh, I know - I was more interested in the line after that in the qmake --version output (which includes the qt version) [06:03] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [06:03] mine seems older than the hills [06:03] Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b) [06:03] Qmake is free software from Trolltech ASA. [06:03] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [06:03] t0f: that would not be -current :) [06:03] thanks anyway, got an anwswer :) [06:03] ./qmake --version [06:03] QMake version 2.01a [06:03] Using Qt version 4.5.0-rc1 in /usr/lib/qt/lib [06:04] no it is not, sorry [06:04] (on -current) [06:04] i just remembered that this system is still slack 12.1 [06:08] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:08] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:14] kang1 (n=evan81ch@116.235.221.108) left ##slackware. [06:15] feindbild (n=iostream@82.113.121.126) joined ##slackware. [06:16] hi ^^ [06:18] it seems kde3 will be completely abandoned in the next release from what I see in -current :'( is that correct? [06:19] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [06:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [06:25] noizze (n=noise@p549CFA63.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] i did upgrade to slackware current and use KDE 4.2.1 ...i can start konqueror but without icons? [06:26] And KDE4 has no startkde script anymore, how do i start it? [06:27] feindbild, there's some KDE3 compat binaries in /extra, but it looks that way. [06:28] ccfreak2k: :'( oh darn ... [06:28] But things in /testing always get moved in at some point. [06:29] and the packages don't look like very friendly for installing kde3 alongside kde4 [06:29] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-191-71.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] looks like I'll create a kde3 fork of slackware :P [06:32] which package contain the KDE4 icons? [06:33] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [06:33] feindbild: what? kde4 is great :) [06:33] feindbild: creating a set of KDE3 packages and making those available will be enough... no need for forking [06:33] kdeartwork probably [06:33] he, gnash works, hooray for flash ads ! [06:34] Maintaining the buildscripts for KDE3 would probably suffice. [06:34] noizze: well ... if you consider features and usability beeing replaced by eycandy ... maybe ^^ [06:35] +beeing a good thing [06:35] I find that KDE4 provides features, useability and speed [06:36] feindbild: i dont care about eyecandy, its the 1st visible change of kde4 but there's a lot more! [06:36] alienBOB: I could fill a few pages with features that are missing from kde3 and things that kde3 did a lot better ... but thats probably taste ... [06:36] feindbild: I think so too yes :-) [06:37] alienBOB: as for the speed, sorry, but on the 4 reference boxes I have kde4 is crawling even with all eyecandy disabled ... [06:37] Qt 4.5 is really suprising! KDE 4 with disabled eyecandies is much faster here [06:38] feindbild: nvidia? ¬_¬ [06:38] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) joined ##slackware. [06:39] if you're not running the latest nvidai drivers and poke around in your Xorg.conf a bit, KDE 4 runs better on an intel X3100 than an 8800GT [06:39] fred: on my main box, yes. 8800Ultra <- forget event starting kde4. one via unichome and 2x intel [06:39] feindbild: i dont like dolphin, but aslong they keep konqueror i dont care [06:39] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [06:39] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:39] noizze: well ... konqi is crippled :( [06:42] noizze: sorry, has been [06:42] feindbild: i can do everything i did before? what are u missing? [06:44] kdiff3, kdesvn, kcachegrind, konqueror (not the unusable kde4 version) , amarok (not the unusable 2.* version), usable file dialogs, kicker, and loads of other apps that haven't been ported to kde4 [06:45] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:46] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:47] ... usable run dialog, kate version that doesn't crash, ... [06:47] me_ (n=me_@78.149.205.20) joined ##slackware. [06:48] stazich (n=root@c-98-222-0-43.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:48] what's wrong with kcachegrind? (and kicker isn't meant to be ported...) [06:48] file dialogs are a matter of taste (I strongly prefer the kde 4 version) [06:48] fred: yes, I know kicker won't be ported. kcachegrind only crashes ... [06:49] ... nothing more [06:49] kcachegrind works fine for me :| [06:49] I also like dolphin way better than konqueror... [06:49] :/ [06:49] both on C/C++ and PHP (argh bad memories :S) [06:49] It's all a matter of taste indeed [06:49] fred, those are my 3 favirote languages :( [06:50] Like the gnome projects for Slackware, I would not be surprised if a team would pick up KDE3 and keep those available for future Slackware [06:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:50] alienBOB: well, if there's a 3.5.11 ever :p [06:50] hi, can anyone please help me figure out why this Slackware's internet is running much slower than my usual windows internet. I just did a fresh install of latest Slackware. im sitting on a class c network on my lan, using comcast as my provider. my other windows pc is fast as usual but my laptop where i just put slackware is Terribly slow [06:50] linu (n=root@196.218.29.241) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Gargantua: C++ is mine; php was when all the PHP develoeprs at work were on holiday and we had a major performance issue :( [06:51] btw- ive googled this, and the advice i found there was to blacklist ipv6 which i did, and it didnt help [06:51] well ... dolphin ... is that the thing where you have to click around to be able to edit the path? and thats missing konqsidebarng where you can easyly havemultple file trees open? ^^ [06:53] Shuren (n=Devilman@host150-124-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [06:54] noizze (n=noise@p549CFA63.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [06:57] etto (n=trashmai@77-21-246-88-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [06:59] etto (n=trashmai@77-21-246-88-dynip.superkabel.de) left ##slackware. [07:02] cobon (n=root@61.17.164.5) joined ##slackware. [07:03] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [07:04] wow, KDE3 is gone in current? [07:05] kde itself or just that version? [07:05] I have old NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 (legacy driver support only)... will KDE4 be slow? [07:06] oh ok [07:06] cobon (n=root@61.17.164.5) left irc: Client Quit [07:07] I tested KDE 4.1 a while back and it was terribly slow, just scrolling a window [07:07] i hate to hear that [07:07] moull (n=root@61.17.164.5) joined ##slackware. [07:07] First try kde 4.2.1, then judge [07:08] But move your old ~/.kde out of the way before starting KDE4 for the first time, or you _will_ have issues [07:08] alienBOB: will that be inculded in slack 12.3 or 13.0, you think? [07:08] t0f: of course it will [07:08] :) [07:08] That's why it was moved out of testing [07:08] very good [07:09] I'm running slackware 12.2... if I upgrade my packages to current but NOT upgrade KDE (just leave KDE3 there), will everything work ok still? [07:10] if you're careful not to remove arts or upgrade qt, I don't see a reason why not [07:10] foobarz: yes, if you also leave out some stuff from l [07:10] oh yeah, I'd have to leave qt and arts alone.. right [07:11] Some more - like qca and qca-tls foobarz [07:11] those too right [07:13] lots of good updates in current... and some added stuff... djvu was added, nice... I was just going to install that myself [07:15] KDE4 still depends heavily on opengl and xrender or stuff like that? [07:16] I'd want to run KDE4 in some mode where it doesn't use that stuff [07:16] if possible [07:17] you can turn off most of the bling [07:17] foobarz: I run it on an older machine without opengl capability, runs fine there [07:17] but it's not like KDE is overusing it really; it's perfectly smooth on an Eee [07:17] it's just using features that some drivers really didn't implement sanely [07:17] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.218.135.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: "I'm Gone" [07:18] fred: I have an eee since yesterday, but so far IWas only running XFCE... I will try KDE4 later ;-) [07:18] :) we used an eee at the KDE4 stand at linuxworld expo london [07:19] I ran that qtcreator app with the qt 4.5 sdk... that creator seemed to run ok, even the opengl demo program with it worked... if KDE runs like qtcreator and I can turn off the opengl it might work for me [07:20] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-183-96.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:22] heh, found out why my HD is so full on my laptop [07:22] Action: fred notices "/chroots" [07:24] evening fellas [07:29] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [07:30] moull (n=root@61.17.164.5) left irc: "Leaving" [07:30] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] G"Mornin' (or afternoon or evening depending where you may be),folks [07:34] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [07:35] feindbild (n=iostream@82.113.121.126) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:36] MLanden, morning [07:36] Jewpermess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Good morning, dive [07:38] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:41] damn - just found I had 2 different version of libboost installed on my dev box - now I have to a lot of building from scratch *screams* [07:42] double OUCH [07:42] of course all my slackbuilds just _had_ to use the wrong version didn't they? [07:44] Which versions of libboost, dive? [07:45] 1.36 and 1.38 [07:45] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.71.12) joined ##slackware. [07:46] I really need to make a tool to grep packages and print out any dups [07:49] aol has a tool like that [07:49] Pretty soon, I'm gonna be taking the plunge with KDE4 when i put slack on my home desktop.. anything I should know before I do (e.g. if I were asking the same about VirtualBox,an answer would be.. yes you really should build QT4 and that takes HOURS) or any little things that I ought to consider but are easily missed? [07:49] dive: slackpkg will do that [07:49] fred, it does usually I know, but it failed to spot them this time [07:50] I don't know why sbopkg didn't do an upgrade either [07:50] must be something in the name that trciked it [07:51] hmm 1.36-0 instead of 1.36.0 - could be it [07:52] I wonder where that one came from... [07:53] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:53] heh, yeah, that would make it a different package name :p [07:54] (one being boost-1.36 version 0, one being boost version 1.36.0 [07:54] dunno - too tired to care anymore [07:55] have to rebuild and test spring and springlobby [07:55] to make sure they work ok with libtorrent-rasterbar 14.x [07:55] should do but better check [07:56] I got a SB for qbittorrent now - and I be damned if it's not another one with no DESTDIR support - copying files to $PKG manually but it works [07:57] seems to be every time I look at doing a build script there's a dodgy install that doesn't work [07:57] end up copying [07:58] sorry just a little whine :-) [07:58] You know you're a nerd when you keep typing mysql instead of myspace :( [07:58] heh [07:59] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] bbiab,folks...good luck in all life's endeavors [08:01] me_ (n=me_@78.149.205.20) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:01] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [08:04] is it possible to put usbboot.img and slack isos to same pendribe? [08:04] drive* [08:05] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.205) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:10] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h63n5c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [08:12] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [08:13] Anyone else here using IINET for there isp by any chance? [08:14] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) joined ##slackware. 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[08:20] heh [08:20] well, the more popular ff got, the more bloated it becomes, IMHO [08:21] and for all it's bloat, opera does a better job here, in almost every way [08:21] links and lynx really are not practical for everday web surfing. [08:21] I just want it to remember the content of form I was typing (email) before it sent me to its homepage (and I'd like to know why it sent me to its homepage, which I don't even use) [08:22] dusty__, right but they handle gmail (html interface) better than firefox [08:23] if you don't mind another app, thunderbird is excellent with gmail [08:23] pop or imap [08:24] Jewpermess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:25] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:25] imap would be the only possibility, I have tons of mails (3.5GB) but I got used to gmail's web interface since I can access it from anywhere with any comp [08:25] plus what if I'm on a BB ? or anything else [08:26] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [08:26] MadKento (n=kento@tutts.ost.sgsnet.se) left irc: "leaving" [08:30] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:32] Camarade_Tux, Get a roaming SMTP account from somewhere.. usually your ISP. [08:34] Camarade_Tux, use gmail's imap? [08:35] stazich (n=root@c-98-222-0-43.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:36] kama (n=kama@host3-102-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:38] kama (n=kama@host3-102-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:41] I mean, with the webui I can read my mails even on something without a mail client [08:41] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) joined ##slackware. [08:41] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:43] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:44] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [08:51] sgg (n=wbb@83.212.57.112) joined ##slackware. [08:51] is there a howto on how to set limits on programs? [08:51] to protect from fork bombs? [08:52] ulimit [08:53] sgg, use PAM if you are looking to deny fork bombs [08:53] linu: yeah but what's a good configuration [08:53] PAM has nothing to do with forkbombs [08:54] it's an authentication framework [08:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] what about apps that dont use pam [08:55] Greetings from Northern Canada:) [08:56] the only protection you have in linux is ulimit whether you use pam or not [08:56] back [08:56] nachox, nop, you can use pam to deny fork bomb [08:56] how exactly? [08:57] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] what about /etc/limits.conf [09:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:00] i dont think slackware has that, and pam is not securing anything, it's setting ulimit configuration through limits.conf [09:02] but i suppose you can say pam "secures" something... so i stand corrected [09:03] is it possible to use usbboot.img and slackware package source on same usb pendrive? [09:08] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. 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[09:14] root@slacky:/tmp# grep libQtSql.so.4 /var/log/packages/* [09:14] root@slacky:/tmp# [09:14] dusty__, here is mine : /var/log/packages/qt4-4.4.3-x86_64_slamd64-1_SB64 ;) [09:16] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] frowes (n=root@61.17.164.5) joined ##slackware. [09:17] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:18] comp__ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:18] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:18] /var/log/packages/qt-r912655-x86_64-1:usr/lib64/qt/lib/libQtSql.so.4.4.3 [09:19] dusty__: ^^ [09:20] linu (n=root@196.218.29.241) left irc: "Leaving" [09:24] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:24] alienBOB, that doesnt look like slackware :) [09:25] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:26] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] or Pat has secretly ported slackware to x86_64 but only made it available to the team :p [09:27] Hahaha [09:28] No it is not Slackware [09:28] It was the only machine I have access to at the moment that has qt4 [09:29] slamd64? [09:29] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:29] sup [09:29] Dawg [09:29] Action: MoZes dances [09:30] i heard you like aliens so we put a bob into an alien so you can bob while you alien [09:30] man bob is an awesome name [09:31] i wish my name was bob :( [09:31] Mine is not bob either :-) Just part of the nick [09:33] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: "Leaving" [09:34] smica (n=smica@szerver1.ibela.sulinet.hu) left irc: [09:37] alienBOB, Camarade_Tux: Thank you. Installing package qt4 =] [09:40] Does opera come with an uninstall script? [09:41] there's a sbo [09:41] for opera.. [09:42] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] frullet, use this to build opera, then you can easily uninstall it: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/opera/ [09:46] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:48] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:50] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Connection timed out [09:52] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [09:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. 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[10:49] :( [10:51] olachico (i=55120e0c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2bea6e516483c520) left irc: Client Quit [10:51] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:53] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.225.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:58] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [10:58] alpha (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:58] alienBOB, Camarade_Tux: I installed qt4 libs but that did not give me libqtsql.. ? [10:59] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] http://rafb.net/p/8rx5HF83.html <-- see.. ? [10:59] dusty__, afaik this is only a binding to sqlite or mysql, do you have any of these ? [10:59] I Have MYSQL. [11:02] dusty__: try grep -i libqtsql [11:02] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.49.165) joined ##slackware. [11:02] should be in qt4 [11:03] bash-3.1$ ls /var/log/packages/ | grep -i libqtsql [11:03] bash-3.1$ [11:03] mmm good luck? [11:03] no dusty [11:03] grep -i libqtsql /var/log/packages/* [11:03] mmm that grep is not correct [11:04] good catch dive [11:04] that way it will look in the packages [11:05] not grep the names [11:05] othermindszine (n=othermin@0.sub-75-216-32.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:06] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:09] dusty__, still alive? [11:10] Any news about Slackbook 3.0? Is going to be a preorder or something? I'd love to have mine as soon as it goes out of the printing press. [11:11] yes Dinde [11:11] err dive [11:11] Sorry was working in another window hang on.. [11:12] dive, check this out: http://rafb.net/p/Z5Y2I670.html [11:13] http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store is the store down or did it move? [11:13] dusty__, you built last.fm with the slackbuild from slackbuilds.org? [11:13] just built 2.6.28.7, everything works, but the re-compiled wifi module (broadcom) doesn't work any longer. It used to work in the default kernel, any advice? [11:14] IntangibleLiquid: So i guess not everything works then eh? [11:14] ;) [11:14] agentc0re, o well, everything inside the kernel :D [11:15] IntangibleLiquid: on kernel updates, any external driver must be rebuilt against the new kernel [11:15] dive, nope, there is not a package there last time I checked - I got it from google. [11:15] thrice`, i rebuilt it, then insmod, saw it in lsmod, but then iwlist scanning doesn't show anything [11:15] you installed a package? Or from source? [11:15] dive, I installed it from source [11:15] not you [11:15] packaged source in current [11:16] dive, eh, sorry :D [11:16] you installed a package? Or from source? [11:16] ops [11:16] dusty__, you installed a package? Or from source? [11:16] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.87.90) left irc: "Quit" [11:16] dusty__, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/audio/last.fm/ [11:17] hey dive [11:17] yo [11:17] you're busy today.. [11:17] fluxnuk3r, did you get my message about the theme? [11:18] sulfer.theme :-) [11:18] yah [11:18] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [11:18] that's pretty much it then [11:18] you were right about the yellow and **** color [11:18] lol [11:18] yeah lol [11:19] be back.. [11:19] let's call it 'coffee' coloured to be polite [11:19] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:20] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-16.net-89-3-215.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:20] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:20] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [11:20] othermindszine (n=othermin@139.sub-70-192-59.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] **** color? poop <= coffee color? [11:22] dive, thank's ill uninstall it and install that package. [11:22] np [11:22] Hey guys, how can you check out how many FPS you are getting whilst in a game? Is it as simple as playing the game then running glxgears ? [11:23] agentc0re, yeah it definitely is in the poop area [11:23] dive: heh. [11:23] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [11:23] dusty__, most games have some console command to show fps [11:23] dusty__: some games include a way to display fps. [11:23] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl10-95-111.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:23] 10919.387 FPS [11:23] JINX! [11:23] thats what glxgears reports [11:23] dusty__, which game we talking of? [11:23] ok let me check it out for WoW. [11:24] World of warcraft, looks awesome on this new card. [11:24] dunno the command for wow [11:24] lemme google. [11:26] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [11:27] Sweet CTRL+R in WoW and I am getting 92 FPS is that good ? [11:28] 75+ is good [11:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:31] 75fps is the magic number that makes action appear smooth [11:32] dive: I thought that was 60 [11:32] so if that is your minimum then you are good [11:32] 60/65 [11:32] agentc0re, nope [11:32] 75 [11:32] i get 1k fps on medal of honor xD [11:33] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:33] w t f? [11:33] cool [11:33] it's an old game :-) [11:33] brixton, fuck me what graphics card? [11:34] 512mb ati hd3850 [11:34] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.49.165) left irc: "Leaving" [11:36] dusty__, some games will get better fps with a decent cpu as much as from a good graphics card though - the Unreal series for example [11:36] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-164-2.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [11:37] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.12.105) joined ##slackware. [11:38] nice, - right time for shopping. See you all later. [11:38] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) joined ##slackware. [11:38] bye byes [11:38] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:38] I hate having to work weekends :( [11:39] I am tearing down my server room today and doing some wiring cleanup. [11:39] erk wiring... [11:39] I have to do a punch down of 24 and the rest is just adding dividers w/panels to clean everything up. [11:40] 'punch down'? [11:41] dive: it's when you add the Ethernet cable to back of the patch panel. [11:41] dive: http://images.cableorganizer.com/ideal/punchmaster/punchdown-tool-35-485_lg.jpg [11:42] ah right [11:42] yht (i=1000@114.121.160.63) joined ##slackware. [11:44] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:37] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:38] <_RadioHead> runing upgradepkg , laterz :) [12:38] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.251) left irc: "Leaving" [12:41] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] I've forgotten which sdaX was my / partition, I'm on windows right now and have up to sda10 =/ [12:42] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.172.87) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Nick change: root__ -> vojsadochuja [12:44] why source command in bash scripting don't load function? [12:45] mithenks: "help source" ? [12:45] don't say anything about [12:46] "Read and execute commands from FILENAME and return." [12:46] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:47] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. 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[12:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:58] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:59] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:03] mithenks (n=eymrich@213.243.231.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:15] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [13:15] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:18] noizze (n=noise@p549CFA63.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Can someone tell me which package contain libssp.la? Isnt it gcc? [13:20] grep libssp.la /var/log/packages/* [13:20] Yep, gcc. [13:21] bryjen (n=bryjen@cpe-75-81-243-228.we.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:21] grazymax (n=grazymax@host238-12-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:22] jkwood: but not with gcc 4.3.6 :( [13:22] gcc 4.3.6 doesn't exist [13:23] Current release series: 4.3.3. [13:23] Active development: 4.4.0. [13:23] yes, 4.3.3 [13:23] sorry [13:23] cyberdine systems model 101? [13:24] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:27] jkwood: did you run gcc 4.3.3 and can you do a locate libssp.la for me? [13:27] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] No, I run 4.2.4 right now. [13:27] when I'm browsing a disc in Konqueror, I can see, a CD's contents' path, for examle, as "media:/cd1" -- how do I intrepret that? I mean, suppose I have to upload something on the web, what would I type as the absolute path? "/cd1/somefile" or what? [13:28] Though, I see that fred is working on getting 4.3.3 up and going, so I expect I'll be running it sometime soonish. [13:28] Ficthe: /media/cd1/ [13:28] oh.. I wonder why Konqueror displays the path with the colon.. o.0 [13:29] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [13:31] Ficthe: i think its a kio_slave protocol designation [13:31] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:31] you can type man:/grep for manual pages for example [13:32] Action: nachox installs virtualbox in solaris [13:33] Action: koolniczka installed a solaris in virtualbox.... took aaaaageeeeesssss [13:33] s/ a / / [13:34] koolniczka, I would think that the regular user would find the normal paths without the colons more useful, anyway though, thanks. [13:34] Action: Camarade_Tux couldn't get virtualbox on 64-bits windows7 start his slamd64 since it was presenting the guest a 64bit cpu [13:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.14) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Action: Camarade_Tux now tries that but the other way round : windows7 64bits as a guest and slamd64 as a host :D [13:40] opensolaris is purdy looking :D [13:42] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [13:42] i'm installing a debian inside it to run skype [13:43] why debian? :( [13:43] because it's the smallest installer i could find, of course [13:44] debian running from solaris, does it get any worse? [13:44] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] hahah i love how debian gives you 6 dvds to download :P [13:49] hehe, I managed to run into a linux-2.6.29-rc>4 vs. virtualbox bug >< [13:49] nachox: Even smaller than the Slackware mini-installer disc? [13:51] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:52] antler: I stopped using debian awhile ago.....a bit buggy. You don't need all of the DVDs. I used the netinstall iso ( about 150 MB) and installed from that. [13:53] get a minimal install then install the DE you want [13:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:54] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [13:57] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.87.156.226) left irc: "Leaving" [14:01] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:01] hitest: yeah. i've never used debian before [14:04] antler: you're lucky. [14:05] why on earth are most if not all ram sticks > 1 gb 240-pin, as opposed to 184-pin? [14:05] thumbs: that bad, huh [14:05] :P [14:05] antler: yes. [14:05] antler: apt-get install foo, wait it wants to install 24 other things with it. [14:06] heh my wife uses linux mint.... i guess kinda like debian ;-) [14:06] antler, mint is based on ubuntu and much better [14:07] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:07] good for non-tech savvy users [14:07] she turns on her lappy: "there are 56000 updates ready to be installed" ! [14:07] hahaha [14:07] lol [14:07] install them then [14:07] frowes: yeah, based on ubuntu, which in turn is based on debian? [14:07] that would scare away the most hardened windows user. [14:08] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:08] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] ok, solved the problem of the virtual machine not starting, now I need to solve the one of the boot loader >< [14:09] I did install kunbuntu on my gf's machine, and it had ~35 updates after a clean install [14:09] Camarade_Tux_: that's tricky [14:09] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] frowes (n=root@61.17.164.5) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:10] sgg (n=wbb@83.212.57.112) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] thumbs: I just did a clean install of Ubuntu 8.10 on tuesday, and had 238 updates when I finished. [14:10] sgg (n=wbb@83.212.56.202) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Cotowar: I sued kubuntu 8.04 [14:11] s/sued/used/ [14:11] lol [14:11] I didn't want to give her KDE 4 [14:11] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:11] yea, I'm a gnome guy myself [14:11] cant stand KDE [14:11] I can't stand gnome. [14:11] lol [14:12] I gave her KDE 3.5.10 [14:12] hence, kunbuntu [14:12] yea [14:12] gnome is just horrible :) [14:12] I like its pretty face [14:12] why not 12.2? 3.5 as well. :P [14:12] Hibernation doesn't work anymore after I ported my system to LUKS+LVM [14:12] thumbs: ^^ [14:12] antler: she never used linux in her life, and I fear that slackware would be too much for her [14:13] hehe that's why you're around :P [14:13] My hibernation hasn't worked properly since I switched from XP two years ago [14:13] today i tried KDE 4.2 the first time and i must admit my pc is too slow for it [14:13] I specified /dev/vg/swap as the default resume partition ... 4G just like before.. but when I suspend and resume, it acts as if the system crashed or there was a power loss.. does fsck, etc. [14:13] antler: as much as I don't mind fixing any issue she gets, I want her to learn how to manage linux. [14:13] yea slackware should be easy if the system admin (meaning you the husband) setup it up right [14:13] thumbs: use her lack of knowledge against her. fix her problems if she agrees to do "certain things" for you. :P [14:14] noizze: I've found 4.2 to be faster than 3.5.10. [14:14] Cotowar: Yes, well it worked flawlessly before.. [14:14] i do that for girls at my college. :) [14:14] Cotowar: when I say gf, I mean girl friend. Not girlfriend. [14:14] tank-man: install slack could be easier too [14:14] no difference in my book... [14:14] i like the curses based interface [14:14] Cotowar: there is a huge difference [14:14] Cotowar: no difference in your book? [14:14] But my friends who never used linux had serious trouble [14:14] Cotowar: i'd like to think there's no difference [14:15] then again im single... if I had a gf right now it would be different i guess [14:15] so am I [14:16] a girl friend is a very close friend. a girlfriend is someone you engage in other more intimate activities. [14:16] Cotowar: How's there no difference? I have a girl friend that I happen to like, but she's friend .. [14:16] go for it [14:16] You talking to me? [14:16] yea, sorry. go for it if you like her. [14:16] when i was in university i asked a girl friend, "if i needed to have sex, would you have sex with me?" she said, "well, if it helped you out, then i guess i would" :P [14:16] Cotowar: What do you mean by "go for it?" [14:17] antler: haha... help you out with ..? [14:17] She doesn't feel the same way, which is a huge loss for her... not gonna lie :) [14:17] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [14:17] alkos333: doesn't mean there cant be a physical relationship between you two, just means you wont be dating [14:17] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-161-2.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:17] thumbs: yeah, she said she would do me if i asked her AND really needed it. she didn't seem very enthusiastic, though [14:17] is there a way to check all the enviroment variables that is using a running tasK? [14:18] antler: That's rather...disturbing. [14:18] antler: doesn't sound very fun. [14:18] superGear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:18] dissociative: in a bash script? [14:18] Action: jkwood lowers his hopes for humanity a notch [14:18] antler: hahahaha.... that's weird man :) [14:18] jkwood: thumbs : she was a girl friend, not a girlfriend [14:18] jkwood: lool [14:18] no, a binary executable program [14:18] antler: lol. tell her you NEED it, and put a helmet on when you get ready, and throw her a mouth guard while saying "you're going to want this" [14:18] Cotowar: hahahah [14:19] superGear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] hahaha [14:19] it actually happened to me [14:19] antler: It's the fact that she was willing, not the fact that she wasn't enthusiastic that bothers me. [14:19] let me tell you: it's not good. [14:19] I have amuled to start at boot up from /etc/rc.d/rc.amuled but looks like the language enviroment settings are not completely set when the script is run [14:20] jkwood: willing girls bother you? [14:20] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) joined ##slackware. [14:20] dissociative: ah, as a rc script [14:20] my custom language enviroment variable I think [14:20] noobfarm is hilarious [14:20] Cotowar: Long story. [14:20] make it short :P [14:20] this discussion has been noobfarmed, right? [14:21] jkwood: ah, one of THOSE. Just think of her as an anomaly and you'll be back on track. [14:21] antler: yeah, I'm done with debian....slack for me:) [14:21] Action: Cotowar waves to hitest [14:21] < the_goat> I mounted your Mother's Rack last night [14:21] lol [14:21] lool that's from noobfarm lol [14:21] hi Cotowar:) [14:21] thumbs: I have my custom LANG variable in ~/.profile [14:21] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] instead of /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [14:22] dissociative: that won't get read by a rc script. [14:22] jkwood: you wouldn't do a hot female friend? [14:22] bbl, bye:) [14:22] well, I'm off to work. Time to go stock shelves at the dollar general. [14:22] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:22] later hitest [14:23] antler: albeit it would appear tempting at first, I advise agaisnt it. [14:23] antler: the aftereffects are not so nice. [14:23] thumbs: hahah turned out badly for you, huh? :P [14:23] thumbs: was it only once? [14:23] yes. [14:23] thumbs: tell her before hand that she is nothing but a source of entertainment. then when it goes shitty you are free of blame. [14:23] antler: No, I wouldn't. [14:24] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1434 [14:24] That's good right there [14:24] peace guys. [14:24] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-164.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:25] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-161-2.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:25] thumbs: jkwood : hm...i guess i was wrong and men and women CAN be friends. [14:26] antler: I am the living proof. [14:26] damn... stupid debian... [14:26] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [14:26] antler: me and my friend, for years now [14:26] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [14:26] One of my best friends is a woman. I actually share an apartment with her. [14:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrBaV5MvX_4 [14:27] And, we get along famously. [14:27] jkwood: yeah [14:27] jkwood: it's wonderful. [14:28] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-61-79.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:28] thumbs: i've always felt a level of sex tension with all my female friends. (maybe that was why i didn't have too many of them :) [14:28] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] antler: you have to get above that. [14:28] You just have to train yourself not to worry about it. [14:29] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:29] agreed [14:29] For a lot of our culture today, sex is seen as the be-all end-all of relationships. [14:30] And, it's not terribly easy to get past that. [14:30] I've been friends with one girl for 6 years now [14:30] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] It can be done. It got a little weird about 3 years into our friendship, but then it went away. She has a bf now and I had a gf not so long ago.. it can be done :) [14:31] mwalling's best man was actually a very good female friend of his, iirc. [14:31] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:31] ok, neither win7 on linux nor linux on win7 work ='( [14:32] noizze (n=noise@p549CFA63.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [14:32] Camarade_Tux_: What's the dilio? [14:32] jkwood: thumbs : yeah, i believe it's more of a north american way of thinking about men and women and their relationships. in many parts of asia, e.g., men and women aren't really friends. [14:32] they're either dating, married, courting, etc., but not friends. [14:33] True. [14:33] antler: it depends on where you grow up [14:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-176-129.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:34] antler: I had tons of good asian friends, but they grew up in Canada [14:34] for a man and a woman to hug in those parts (because they're friends) is strange [14:34] the culture plays a big role [14:34] thumbs: yeah i agree completely [14:34] thumbs: the younger kids in those parts are friends with males and females [14:37] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [14:37] though i must admit that i wouldn't like it if my wife went over to her male friend's house and, um, watched a movie in the evening :P [14:38] alkos333, I guess it could be because the virtual machines won't get 64bits while they need it [14:38] or worse: watch porn together. because some friends do that. :P [14:38] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-211.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Yeah, that would be pretty well out of the question. [14:39] Camarade_Tux_: Ah, you are trying to run a 64-bit win7? [14:39] I already watched pr0n with a (girl) friend of mine but we were mostly laughing at it [14:39] alkos333, yeah :D [14:40] (it actually runs but just not inside vbox) [14:40] Camarade_Tux_: hahah [14:40] oh, btw, why do porn actors keep their shoes ? [14:40] Cold floors. [14:41] lool [14:41] hahaha [14:41] jkwood: comes up with an answer [14:41] jkwood: hahahahaha [14:42] but they do even when there's a carpet ! [14:42] jkwood: hehe [14:42] Well, to keep from dripping with sweat, they keep the temps in the studios way down. [14:43] jkwood: dude you did field work or what?? [14:43] Action: Camarade_Tux_ is starting to think jkwood has an actual experience in this field... [14:43] antler :D [14:43] lol\ [14:43] hahah [14:43] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:43] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-88.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] ackstorm (n=posixnin@adsl-152-113-155.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] jkwood: So.. how did you come to Slackware again :)? [14:44] No, I've never worked in the porn industry. I'm just good at determining these things. [14:45] Well, I started out with Red Hat 7 way back when, and dabbled in Linux thereafter until discovering Slax. [14:45] I used that quite a bit for a couple years, and then I installed Slackware on my new laptop when I bought it. [14:45] jkwood discovered SLAX in a quarry. [14:46] Yes. Everyone keeps saying it's a hoax, but it's real, I promise! [14:47] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) joined ##slackware. [14:48] Action: Camarade_Tux_ starts to think jkwood is an alien, far too weird [14:48] Close. Incredibly advanced artificial intelligence. [14:48] Unfortunately, I have enough Python in me that the quirks come out. [14:49] skynet sighted ! jkwood sorry but we'll have to eradicate you :) [14:49] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h63n5c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:50] Oh, don't worry. I only target pedophiles and Bill Cosby. [14:51] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Doc_Zoid (n=Doc_Zoid@p5B3B3A65.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.12.105) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] oh, you're a savior then (especially wrt Bill Cosby) ! [14:52] Anybody running their laptops on LUKS+LVM? [14:53] is a package management system available in slackware like apt in debian? [14:53] I think nullboy does, or at least was going to [14:53] Ah, yes - actually he does [14:53] Doc_Zoid: there is one available, there are none recommended. [14:53] Doc_Zoid: Yes, Slackware has package management. [14:53] eviljames: Just LUKS though .. [14:53] What it does not have, though, is dependency management. [14:54] You can install official packages using slackpkg. [14:54] Doc_Zoid: slackpkg for Slackware stock packages and sbopkg for SlackBuilds.org and that's pretty much all you need :/ [14:54] eviljames, not even slackpkg ? [14:54] i mean a semi-automatic system who download the packages and resolves the depends [14:54] Camarade_Tux_: slackpkg is perfectly acceptable [14:54] Camarade_Tux_: I didn't even think of it, but jkwood pointed it out [14:55] at the moment i run slcakware in a virtualbox under ubuntu, wanna test it, because i think out about to change my preferred distribution [14:55] Philadelphia (i=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Doc_Zoid, dependency sorting is usually not liked very much, imho it too often removes control from the user which is orthogonal to slack's philosophy [14:56] (but again, that's imho) [14:56] Action: antler oed's the word "orthogonal" hahah [14:56] ok, i think you can understand me, always have used a debian-based distribution [14:57] Philadelphia (i=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:57] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:58] Philadelphia (i=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Doc_Zoid: Oh, certainly. It's just... dependency resolution can be very tricky. [14:58] Have any of you guys tried running Miro? [14:59] me_ (n=me_@89.242.120.39) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Philadelphia (i=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:59] I meant to a while back... I think I even downlaoded the source, and then had hard drive issues. [14:59] antler, he, that's harder for me to use the proper words ;) [14:59] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:00] Philadelphia (n=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] maybe i should install slack native in dual-boot to try out myself, like i've done with debian [15:00] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] jkwood: So you downloaded the source and then ran into hard drive problems? [15:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Yeah, I think that was what happened. I never got around to building it after that. [15:01] Doc_Zoid: http://slackbook.org [15:01] Also, http://slackbasics.org [15:02] which miro are you talking about ? [15:02] Those are both good resources. [15:02] Bummer .. I think I'm gonna give it a try because it looks pretty cool from what I can tell - let the era of iptv begin :) [15:02] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-176-129.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:02] Camarade_Tux_: This one: http://www.getmiro.com/ [15:02] Oh, I plan on making it happen one of these days. I just have so many other projects going on... ;) [15:03] alkos333, thanks [15:03] jkwood: thanks i think the book is enough ;) [15:03] Doc_Zoid (n=Doc_Zoid@p5B3B3A65.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:04] jkwood: Yes, in that field of yours :P .. I understand lol [15:04] hello, I have Slackware since 2 days ago and it seems I finally managed to get wireless working but it only holds for about 5 seconds, what could I try? [15:05] solitron_: it drops? What card? Protocol? Signal strength? [15:06] thumbs, RTL8187b, no encryption, the IP remains but after 5 seconds it doesn't ping anything [15:07] solitron_: OK. [15:07] solitron_: what wireless router are you using? [15:08] thumbs, Linksys WRT54G2 [15:08] ummm, never used those. [15:08] Good router, that. [15:08] solitron_: Anything in dmesg ? [15:08] solitron_, default firmware? [15:09] Ficthe, yes [15:09] I had "similar" issues with default firmware on my WRT54GL, if you're feeling ambitioous you can try putting OpenWRT or Tomato on it [15:09] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] greetings and salutations [15:10] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [15:10] there you go. [15:10] I love how everyone pitches in to help users here. [15:10] andarius: Greeting. How are you? [15:10] Greetings [15:10] jkwood, I can see in dmesg that wlan0 was authenticated, link becomes ready and no IPv6 routers present [15:10] firebird619: salutations. i am well and fixing waffles. how are you ? [15:10] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.62.188) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Hmm... well, the hardware doesn't appear to be failing. You're running 12.2? [15:10] andarius: I am good. Thank you. [15:10] Nick change: vojsadochuja -> nukedclx [15:10] Ficthe, I didn't want to risk having a brick router :) [15:11] yes, jkwood [15:11] Using wicd? [15:11] solitron_, you can un-brick it quite easily ;) [15:11] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl6-222-188.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:11] no, jkwood [15:11] solitron_: use wicd, for kicks. [15:11] Are you using dhclient or dhcpcd? [15:11] all right, 1 minute [15:12] wicd is in extra/, you can get it with slackpkg. [15:12] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:12] I don't know, I just configured rc.inet1.conf [15:12] then ran rc.inet1 wlan0_restart and ping google [15:13] solitron_: wicd is much better, in any case [15:13] Hmm... Well, that should use dhcpcd by default, which is good. [15:13] yes, I use dhcpcd here too. [15:14] uva (i=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:14] firebird619: thanks. [15:14] Also, you might try running a traceroute. I recommend mtr (it's graphical, run as root). [15:14] BP{k}: Your Welcome. [15:15] Ping is fine and dandy, but if the problem is along the route rather than local, then it doesn't help much. [15:18] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-145-131.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:21] guys [15:21] jozefk (n=jozefk@86.96.226.15) joined ##slackware. [15:21] wich is the best way to get kde4 on slack 12.2 without messing up our system? [15:21] i have a question too :) [15:22] jozefk: don't ask to ask. :P [15:22] LnxSlck: Probably by upgrading to -current. [15:22] i just finished installing slackware 12.2 and i got some darkstar login prompt. don't know how to run KDE [15:22] Actually, no... let me start over. [15:23] Use Pat's scripts to build the deps, etc as present in -current. [15:23] jkwood, k.. [15:23] i will check it [15:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-88.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-198.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] jozefk: hmm as for darkstar, you must have forgotten to set a hostname. 2) xwmconfig .. choose kde, 3) make sure your X is configured with the right drivers 4) startx || 4) edit /etc/inittab to set runlevel 4 as the default and "telinit 4" [15:24] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn149.91-127-248.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [15:24] ok. i'll try. thanks. [15:25] BP{k}: shouldn't he make a user first so he's not doing stuff as root? [15:25] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:25] firebird619: well, why yes. [15:25] jozefk, if you're out fresh like that, I'd advise you to go through "So you want to be a slacker" thread on linuxquestions.org, the slackbook, and maybe the howtoforge's guide. it explains that, and numerous other things to get a normal desktop running [15:25] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] is it the first thing to set the hostname? [15:25] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:25] jozefk: also read the good book: "http://slackbook.org" [15:25] or i can start from number 2) [15:25] jozefk: you can yes. [15:26] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89-180-197-89.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:26] BP{k}: Just thought I would ask that. The first thing I did when I installed Slackware was make a user with adduser. [15:26] jkwood, do you mean running the install-packages script? [15:26] LnxSlck: Nope, running the SlackBuilds for them. [15:26] firebird619: I always do that. [15:26] bryjen (n=bryjen@cpe-75-81-243-228.we.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:26] It's not for the faint of heart. [15:28] Kaapa__ (n=Somethin@89.180.45.117) joined ##slackware. [15:29] jkwood, in wich folder should they be? i can't seem to find them :S [15:29] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:29] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.71.12) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:29] Nick change: Kaapa__ -> Kaapa [15:30] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.62.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] LnxSlck: It's in the source directory. [15:30] Action: LnxSlck has to buy new glasses [15:31] it works. i just didn [15:31] augh i missed pi minute [15:31] i just didn't see runlevel 4 but KDE is up and running now [15:32] grrrrr, I can't enable vt-x in my bios ! [15:33] Action: acidchild needs to buy new eyes. [15:33] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:33] acidchild, those would be a better choice [15:33] :-P [15:34] LnxSlck: I'll have a list of everything you'll need in a bit. [15:34] jkwood, i have to download every source of every kde package to a folder, and then run the slackbuild right ? [15:35] Well, yeah, but there's some stuff in l/ that you'll need as well. [15:35] a script to do those things would be nice [15:35] something like getandinstallkde2.slackbuild [15:35] lool [15:35] kde4 [15:36] firebird619: hmmm (as expected) it does compile fine. by any change do you still have the config.log from that gst-plugins-bad compile? [15:37] at the moment im using xfce-4.6.0 and its nice and stable [15:37] BP{k}: Ummm, where would that be? I just did that today, I haven't deleted any of it. [15:37] ckt1g3r, i run openbox [15:37] yes , i know [15:38] ckt1g3r, ;) [15:38] i see your screenshots ant the forum :) [15:38] ckt1g3r, i know you know [15:38] firebird619: /tmp/SBo/package-gst-plugins-bad/config.log [15:38] BP{k}: I'll check. [15:39] BP{k}: Yup, I sure do. :) [15:39] firebird619: can you either pastebin/mail it? [15:39] LnxSlck: http://slaxer.com/chucks/kde4stuff [15:39] BP{k}: sure. [15:39] That's not in order of installation, just alphabetical order. [15:39] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:39] BP{k}: Do you prefer one over the other? [15:39] Anything you already have will need to be installed over. [15:39] anyone know of a slackbuild script for SDL_sound ? [15:40] jkwood, thank you kind sir [15:40] firebird619: hmm do email please, that way, even if I don't get around solving it today, I'll have a record of it. [15:40] Also, you'll want to do that in something non-KDE (OpenBox, or even out of X completely.) [15:40] BP{k}: Ok. [15:41] jkwood, the compile? why ? [15:41] BP{k}: Ok, I just sent it. [15:42] firebird619: merci bien. :) [15:42] if I can't have vt-x with that bios I'll probably rather use linuxbios ! [15:42] Because of the way that KDE builds in that particular case. You pretty much run one SlackBuild, that builds the whole thing. [15:42] Some parts depend on each other, so they install as they go. [15:43] Which means that all of a sudden, kdelibs-3.5.10 gets overwritten with kdelibs-4.2.1. [15:43] jkwood, ok.. i'll download entire kde folder and l fodler as well [15:43] The rest of KDE 3.5.10 won't take kindly to that. [15:43] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89-180-197-89.net.novis.pt) left irc: Connection timed out [15:44] jkwood, kde3 will be completely removed? [15:44] Yeah. That is a downside (I guess.) [15:45] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-145-131.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:45] jkwood, as long as entire kde3 gets removed i guess it's ok [15:45] doesn't want to connect to wireless network [15:45] jkwood, i'm just afraid i will get an fsck kde or system in the end [15:45] doesn't want to enable wlan0 interface [15:45] don't know why [15:45] me_ (n=me_@89.242.120.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] jozefk, checked dmesg for errors? [15:46] no not yet. still trying to enable the wlan [15:47] Well, you certainly do this at your own risk. [15:47] Theoretically, you could install those packages from -current and be okay. [15:47] It's definitely not recommended, though. [15:47] jkwood, i run slack12.2 on 2 machines [15:47] I am going to ask a very silly question (for most of you). [15:47] jozefk: ifconfig -a <- do you see wlan0 ? or have you looked there already ? [15:47] jkwood, so it's nice to have everything the same on those machines [15:48] Yeah, I understand. [15:48] jkwood, and current it's good for a everyday system i guess [15:48] jkwood, i have important things there, and i work there as well [15:48] Most of the time, -current (in practice) works fine for day-to-day stuff. [15:48] so i'm more confortable with slack12.2 [15:48] yes, that's true also [15:48] In theory, that's not always going to be the case. [15:48] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-211.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:49] I learned C++, shell, perl and awk, after which I stopped learning new programming languages. What is Python and what is Ruby? The newer programmers are all over it. [15:49] ok it's enabled now but i'm still offline [15:49] kleanchap: Ruby is an object-oriented scripting language that's extremely flexible. [15:49] jkwood: Is it anything like perl? [15:49] Python is similar in that respect, with whitespace demarcating code separations (classes, methods, etc.) [15:50] Perl uses object oriented modules. [15:50] ok [15:50] firebird619: have you tried to build 0.10.10? [15:50] (just out of curiousity) [15:50] Ruby uses some ideas from Perl, but it's not terribly similar. [15:50] What is it used for? system administration or Web 2.0 stuff [15:51] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Many different things. Check out http://slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb [15:51] i.e. Python and Ruby. [15:51] BP{k}: No, I could give it a try though. I just need the source for 0.10.10 and change the version in the slackbuild, right? [15:51] i guess default gateway ip address is the one for router [15:51] I'm developing a website using Ruby on Rails, which is "the" web framework for Ruby. [15:52] My main skills are in security, and I am seeing lots and lots of scripts in Python. So, I feel very antiquish.... [15:52] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] You use what works for you. I haven't had the time to pick up a new language, so I haven't messed with Python. [15:52] A lot of people like it. [15:53] For log parsing and such, perl/awk/shell is sufficient for me. [15:53] hum, the latest upgrades in changelog officialy switched to kde4? [15:53] Kaapa: Yep. [15:53] s/changelog/current/ [15:53] jkwood: Good advice! [15:53] oh well... I hope I still have a working laptop after this :p [15:53] firebird619: I think so yes. I am not sure if it might work or not, but at this point it'worth to give a try [15:54] truzicic (n=quassel@78-3-248-200.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:55] kleanchap: http://slaxer.com/chucks/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby.pdf [15:55] BP{k}: Trying it as we speak. I will let you know what happens. [15:55] Give that a look. It's probably the best and most entertaining introduction to Ruby I've ever encountered. [15:56] BP{k}: It needs gstreamer-0.10.21-1, mine is gstreamer 0.10.21. Guess I'll have to upgrade that first. :) [15:57] well :P i changed the display to 800x600 and now i can't see the mouse cursor anymore [15:57] For right now, I have to grab a shower, then go hang out with my parents for a while. so, I'll leave you fine folks to it. [15:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.45.117) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:57] any way of changing that back? [15:57] seems it's frozen the screen [15:58] BP{k}: Is there a slackbuild around for gstreamer that you know of? [15:58] firebird619: Right, as I expected. I knew there was a reason why -bad is still at .9. Might need to have poke Patrick with a friendly request to upgrade gstreamer. [15:59] jkwood: Thnx! Have fun with your parents. [15:59] firebird619: source/l/ I think [15:59] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/l/gstreamer/ [15:59] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:00] BP{k}: Ok, Thanks. I am looking on the gstreamer site, which has 0.10.21 and 0.10.22. Would I go with 0.10.22? [16:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-211.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:01] I would. [16:02] BP{k}: Ok, I'm off to give that a try now. :) [16:02] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-45-117.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:03] yo BP{k} (: [16:03] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Client Quit [16:04] lw0x15: howdo! [16:04] how ya doing ? :] [16:04] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] i fixed this problem with display but sill can't connect to wireless [16:04] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] by the way I like slackware [16:04] :) [16:05] jozefk: :) Slackware is great. [16:05] it seems it is [16:05] jozefk: did you setup wicd yet? [16:05] just to figure out how to connect to wireless :) [16:05] wicd? i guess i didn't [16:06] i just enabled wlan0 [16:06] BP{k}: Want another build log, gstreamer didn't build. [16:06] jozefk: trust me, you want to use wicd. [16:06] jozefk: it's a joy to work with [16:06] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-211.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] firebird619: sure :) I am currently unable to test with -current, but it'll be good for later to know where it needs poking. [16:07] thumbs is it in terminal? [16:07] BP{k}: Ok, I'll send it your way. [16:07] i can just type wicd there and it will start? [16:07] jozefk: www.slackbuilds.org [16:07] jozefk: it's a graphical interface to set up wireless [16:07] jozefk: it's foolproof. [16:07] yes but how to run it? [16:07] to download it first? [16:07] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:07] press w, followed by i, then a c and finally a d [16:08] wicd-client [16:08] how to download if I don't have internet? maybe on other PC and to transfer then via USB.. [16:08] it's part of slackware [16:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:08] BP{k}: Ok, I sent it. :) [16:09] nothing happened when i press all of that keys on keyboard [16:09] jozefk: wicd ships with 12.2, AFAIK [16:10] don't know how to run it [16:10] thumbs: Is it in 12.2. I thought it was just in current. [16:10] jozefk: type wicd-client [16:11] command not found [16:12] it is in extra/ [16:12] thumbs: Your right. It's in /extra. [16:12] firebird619: :) [16:12] jozefk: you need to install it. [16:12] i have only 3 CDs [16:12] is it on some of them? [16:12] it's even in extra/ in -current [16:12] ok, so you forgot your root password. You can reboot and in lilo or grub type linux init=/bin bash and change it. Now, how can I prevent this at a school where kids could do this to every workstation? [16:13] i thought it was a mainline package now [16:13] init=/bin/bash [16:13] ok, I think I'm going to stay away from intel processors for a while, a good while [16:13] pirving: physical access = owned no matter what [16:13] pirving: use passwords if you must [16:13] bios passwords? [16:13] Philadelphia (n=bono@220-136-224-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:14] I just found out my laptop cpu did not have vt-x (hardware virtualization) and that prevents me from running 64bit OSes in virtual machines [16:14] extra in current? i guess extra is a folder on root of hdd [16:14] I had that in an amd laptop two years ago... [16:14] bios passwords, they could rip open the case and rip out the cmos battery [16:14] I don't care about extra (gaming) performance if I can't even do what I want to ! [16:14] pirving: could be bios, or lilo password, or LUKS the whole disk [16:15] pirving: again, without encryption any physical access to the case owns you [16:15] extra is not there. so it means on some of these 3 CDs [16:15] dios_mio (i=test@88.243.199.61) left irc: Connection timed out [16:15] hey, I had a laptop and I ripped out the cmos battery for like an hour and it didn't clear the password [16:15] .... [16:15] whatever [16:15] if i can take the disk why do i need to worry about the bios battery? the only sure shot method is to encrypt the disk to prevent dataloss in the event of a physical attack [16:16] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] unless your goal is to just stop causal messing around [16:16] no, I like the encryption idea [16:16] what should I use to encrypt? [16:16] if it's serious, encrypt it...if it's not serious a bios and/or lilo password should be enough [16:16] pirving: slackware's installer supports LUKS [16:16] README_CRYPT.txt [16:17] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-45-117.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:17] ok cool. Thanks for the information nullboy [16:17] pirving: i use LUKS on my laptop to encrypt my whole / [16:17] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:17] null, is that your name because you are zero or inactive? [16:18] void and tampered. null and void [16:18] Null is an English word meaning 'nothing' or without value or consequence. It is derived from the Latin word nullus meaning 'none'. [16:18] the other null [16:18] not zero [16:18] maybe it's easier if i'll just download that wicd and that's it [16:18] none is zerp [16:18] zero LOL [16:18] your contract is null [16:18] that way [16:19] v4nelle (n=van@adsl53-10.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.45.117) joined ##slackware. [16:19] I guess it can mean whatever you wan. People see my name and assume pervert [16:19] *want [16:19] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:20] bono (i=bono@118-160-161-93.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] I told you about my weird scheme to remember the rm * -fr command. remove star forcibly rape [16:20] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] oh shit [16:21] what? [16:21] kde4's konsole will mouse scroll in man pages now [16:21] that's awesome [16:21] jozefk: www.slackbuilds.org has wicd on it [16:21] nice! [16:21] ok i'll go and try to get it from there [16:21] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:21] thanks. [16:21] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-210-151.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [16:21] can I just upgrade my kde packages on 12.2 or do I need a kernel upgrade or something? [16:22] whats a good wiki ? [16:22] or HOWTO [16:22] i don't see it there. [16:22] i just tried to search for it [16:22] you shouldn't just upgrade 12.2 kde3 using -current packages. [16:22] that's a bad idea and might break things [16:22] is there a way? [16:23] jozefk: oh, I see that it's only available for < 12.2 [16:23] if you want kde4 from -current install -current [16:23] besides compiling it yourself? [16:23] jozefk: go to www.slackware.com/getslack, and browse a mirror then [16:23] right, compilatoin wouldn't be fun. I guess I'll just stick to fluxbox [16:23] kinda stupid to install it just for a man page scroller [16:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.14) left irc: [16:24] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] truzicic (n=quassel@78-3-248-200.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] it works for less now too [16:24] rocking [16:25] i always wanted that to work [16:25] i found it [16:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] it's tgz archive [16:25] how to install tgz? [16:25] yes, that's a package. [16:25] nullboy: did you see the new firefox has the + button new tab thingie? [16:25] jozefk: installpkg [16:25] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] i've always used a new tab plugin [16:26] oh [16:26] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-211.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:26] in fact the one i use is 'new tab homepage' [16:26] thanks i'll try [16:27] i guess it's all awailable on DVD iso right? [16:27] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:27] it's always better to download DVD iso. but it just takes more time .. [16:27] jozefk: well, you can download the individual packages from a mirror, if you need them [16:28] jozefk: a small cd1 can be very useful too [16:28] jozefk: it depends on what you'll do with the machine [16:28] other_rafa (i=rafa@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [16:28] just as i'm doing right now. i rather like to have everything on DVD then to search later [16:29] fair enough. [16:29] I believe cd3 had /extra, no? [16:29] no [16:29] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.56.150.208) joined ##slackware. [16:30] how about repositories online? is there any with complete files [16:30] marco_ (n=chatzill@host43-125-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Hi guys. I am a new slack user [16:31] can someone help me for first tip ? [16:31] jozefk: any mirror will contain all the files. [16:31] the first step is admitting. good work [16:31] hi marco_ [16:31] marco_: ask a precise question [16:31] i am on the shell, how can i install X and KDe ? [16:31] how many install cd's did you use? [16:31] i installed it from dvd [16:32] so maybe i can install them from it? [16:32] well, X is installed by default [16:32] marco_: are you sure it's not already installed? did you do a full install? if you did a full install X and KDE are there [16:32] sometimes [16:32] i removed it, just for test [16:32] unless you didn't select it [16:32] i installed slack in "command-line" mode [16:32] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [16:32] umm [16:32] slapt-get ? [16:33] command not found [16:33] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] slackware defaults to runlevel 3 which is multiuser CLI, there is not actual "command-line mode" [16:33] yes, CLI i meant :) [16:33] marco_: put the install media in and reinstall all of X and KDE [16:33] really :( [16:33] i wanted to learn something [16:33] isn't possible to install via CLI ? [16:34] ... [16:34] i'm telling you how.... [16:34] I think you can use links to download slapt-get [16:34] from slackbuilds.org [16:34] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:34] an example^ [16:34] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-61-79.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:34] sbopkg is good [16:34] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-210-151.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:34] at command line type links www.slackbuilds.org and search for slapt-get [16:34] media in, mount it, installpkg /mountpoint/slackware/x/*.tgz && installpkg /mountpoint/slackware/kde/*.tgz [16:34] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-210-23.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [16:35] stop telling him to use slapt-get wtf [16:35] damn it. [16:35] good [16:35] i try now [16:35] whats wrong with slapt-get it's another avenue? [16:35] why I can't use ll command in terminal? [16:35] only dir [16:35] ll ? [16:35] pirving: because he doesn't need to install some extra tool to do what he wants. [16:36] lowercase LL [16:36] pirving: and also, slackpkg comes on the install media...slapt-get does not [16:36] that's not a standard command, I don't believe [16:36] that being the case, slapt-get is not supported in here like slackpkg would be [16:36] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-139-137.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.141.15) joined ##slackware. [16:36] well i used that all the time with suse [16:36] nullboy: yes, but as a new user, he should get familiar with it. [16:37] jozefk: so go find it, built it and install it. [16:37] suse may have aliased ll to something for you [16:37] terminal is terminal [16:37] pirving: no he shouldn't [16:37] installing X :) [16:37] he should get familir with the base system first. [16:37] and then ? [16:37] familiar* [16:37] jozefk: you fail. ll is not a standard core-utils function [16:37] will i be able to start it? [16:37] or will i need to make a xorg.cof? [16:37] marco_: run xorgsetup when it's done [16:37] maybe this shell is not the same as in suse [16:38] this is like a circus right now [16:38] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.45.117) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] jozefk: no, it is. bash is bsah [16:38] jozefk: does "ls -l" show you what you would expect ? [16:38] yes :) [16:39] thanks [16:39] i installed wicd [16:39] suse must have set "ll" as an alias to "ls -l" [16:39] so i guess i can run it immediately [16:39] after installing wicd, you will need to restart dbus [16:40] ok i see some readme. will do that few things more before run [16:40] You should just try to reload the dbus rules instead [16:41] how to reload dbus? [16:41] /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload [16:41] ok [16:42] done [16:42] ITechJun1ie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] are you sure that's all? [16:42] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] jozefk: yep, reload dbus, and then start with '/etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start' [16:43] how about chmod of that rc.wicd first? no need? [16:44] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-45-117.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:44] jozefk: it should be +x [16:44] do i need to make any changes in rc.inet1.conf [16:44] The package's doinst.sh apparently does the reloading of dbus for you. [16:45] jozefk: no. [16:45] ok. i'll run it then [16:46] gar0t0 (n=ligia@201.70.19.74) joined ##slackware. [16:46] wicd deamon start [16:46] Hi all [16:46] jozefk: great. [16:46] don't see anything :) [16:46] jozefk: now run wicd-client as a regular user. [16:47] regular user? i don't have regular user yet [16:47] only root [16:47] make one. [16:47] why not as root? [16:47] because that's insecure. [16:47] ITechJunkie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] ok. then i'll make one first [16:47] ok enough.... http://slackbook.org http://slackbasics.org [16:47] jozefk: see chapter 1) from www.slackbook.org [16:48] nullboy: agreed [16:48] Action: thumbs retires his spoon [16:48] lol [16:48] haha [16:50] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:51] why i don't have restart option in Logout session of KDE? [16:51] because you aren't in kde from rl4 [16:51] you started kde from a VT right? [16:51] startx ? [16:52] how can i fix that and to go directly to KDE without that darkstar login prompt? [16:52] yes startx [16:52] start readinf [16:52] g [16:52] we are done feeding you [16:52] i'm lazy to read [16:53] then we are too lazy to help you [16:53] rather like to chat [16:53] you can leave then [16:53] :) [16:53] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150040046.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:53] no, not :) [16:53] you just implied that your time is more important than ours [16:53] so now you can leave [16:54] ok if you don't want to tell it's fine. that's force me to find it out other way [16:54] ok.. X won't start :( [16:54] but now i go away [16:54] i like slack :) [16:55] you want to say i don't appreciate your time or help or effort? [16:55] jozefk: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [16:55] jozefk: (2009-03-14 13:53:08) jozefk: i'm lazy to read <---that is not very smart to say in here [16:55] you should just go [16:56] it's cool and all but you should probably leave. no hard feelings [16:56] marco_ (n=chatzill@host43-125-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:56] I spent a lot of my (free) time to guide you [16:56] yes, you should not 'expect' that [16:57] but in that two books there is so many pages and i just need to start KDE and to setup wireless that's all. anyway, i'll google then. it's still faster then reading all the book [16:57] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE573F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] do i need to leave the channel or i can just shut up? [16:57] jozefk: do whatever you have to do but never tell a help channel that has been helping you that you are too lazy to read. that is not wise at all [16:58] jozefk: if you can absorb the clues you've been given you can probably stay [16:58] ask smart questions that showed you tried first [16:58] aka read the "guidelines" from /t [16:58] ok. by the way wicd is working fine. i guess i'll be able to connect to wireless very easily in this way [16:59] jozefk: it's very easy to use, yes. [16:59] I really need to try that wicd [16:59] eviljames: you do. [16:59] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: "~" [16:59] jozefk: you can also search this forum for answers to common questions http://www.linuxquestions.org [16:59] which, in turn, means I probably need to re-rsync my -current [16:59] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:00] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Action: jozefk conneccted to wireless :) [17:01] there you go. [17:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:02] which chapter talking about startx i mean starting KDE without darkstar? [17:02] jozefk: change the default runlevel [17:02] jozefk: see man /etc/inittab [17:02] ... [17:02] still man [17:03] ok. will try to find it in man. [17:03] nullboy: sorry [17:03] :) [17:03] jozefk: i bet you handle life like this all the time don't you? [17:04] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] you are the guy standing outside the hole, leaning on your shovel while 3 other guys dig [17:04] nullboy no. it's depends what i want to learn. i'm reading books but not about linux [17:05] nullboy, i liked that image.. lol [17:05] no no i'm not like that. sometimes i'm digging a lot too don't worry [17:05] mariocki (n=mariocki@cpc4-bagu7-0-0-cust5.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [17:05] by digg you mean using digg ? [17:05] lol [17:05] LnxSlck: geek [17:05] haha [17:06] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:06] thumbs, true true [17:06] any lightweight browser besides firefox? [17:06] ff 3 is so heavy ... [17:07] I like Konqueror [17:07] thumbs, i must try that for a while [17:07] I don't even use KDE [17:07] but it launches pretty fast [17:07] thumbs, neither do i [17:07] thumbs, i use a lot of kde apps though [17:07] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] i've had a few web portals that konq displays properly but FF won't [17:08] # default runlever. (Do not set to 0 or 6) [17:08] id:3:initdefault: [17:08] nullboy, konqueror has a "identify as internet explorer" thing [17:08] it's a good thing [17:08] jozefk: you found it [17:08] :) [17:08] thumbs spoon [17:08] jozefk: no. [17:09] jozefk: not this time. [17:09] no no i said i found it coz of your spoon [17:09] i'll just change that 3 to 4 and that's all i guess :) [17:09] yes. [17:09] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:10] I got this ajax app working now. [17:10] hi everyone! [17:10] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1219 [17:10] I have a problem getting acpid started on my old laptop. the daemon needs /proc/acpi/event [17:11] but the file doesnt exist [17:11] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] ea_suter: what distro? [17:11] ea_suter: does your old laptop even support acpi? [17:11] slackware 12.2 [17:11] well, acpid used to run fine with slackware 11 [17:12] and i did compile my kernel with support for the deprecated /proc/ files [17:12] nullboy that's 6 [17:12] i'll change it to 4 :) [17:13] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.56.150.208) left irc: "back to work" [17:14] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-45-117.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:14] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-210-23.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [17:16] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: Client Quit [17:16] here is a pastebin of my kernel config if thats any use: http://pastebin.com/m3f9bf80a [17:16] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Aizawa (n=Aizawa@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [17:16] bono (i=bono@118-160-161-93.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:17] Can someone link me a guide or something like it about setting up a wireless network connection, in slackware 12.2, without a DE/WM (I.e, Bash). WPA Encryption. [17:17] I tried google, I found nothing of worth. [17:17] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: Client Quit [17:18] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:18] pupit1 (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [17:18] pupit2 (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [17:18] pupit3 (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Aizawa i can help you :) [17:19] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.45.117) joined ##slackware. [17:19] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: Client Quit [17:19] pupit1 (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: Client Quit [17:19] pupit2 (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: Client Quit [17:19] pupit3 (n=p@91.150.106.242) left irc: Client Quit [17:19] do you have 12.2 on DVD or CD? [17:19] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.242) joined ##slackware. [17:19] DVD [17:19] then install wicd from /extra [17:19] JerrySabor (n=user@c-98-196-82-196.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] uhuh? [17:20] folder extra should be on your DVD [17:20] yeah, I figured [17:20] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] or i'll just send you a link and you can download it from internet? [17:20] I already went to the wobsite [17:20] thanks a lot man [17:21] which website? [17:21] http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ [17:21] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-148-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] just googled it [17:21] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [17:22] wait wtf [17:22] "No Gnome dependencies (although it does require GTK)" [17:22] nullboy that number 4 works fine. i restart the PC and KDE start witout startx [17:22] I guess you misunderstood me [17:22] Aizawa you are on gnome? [17:22] Aizawa that message above is not for you :) [17:22] No, in Bash ONLY. No Desktop Environment, no Window Manager. [17:23] why not? [17:23] Why not what? [17:23] why not KDE? [17:23] Because I don't want a GUI? [17:23] Action: thumbs chuckles, silently [17:23] haha [17:23] I just don't want it [17:23] i just don't know how to use wicd without KDE [17:24] :D [17:24] well, apmd seems to work but that way I wont have access to all the button events that acpid provides, right? :( [17:24] Well, this was sort of my problem : P [17:24] jozefk: you don't need to use wicd to use WPA.... [17:24] Aizawa: man wpa_supplicant.conf isn't friendly, but it's all you need [17:24] Hm [17:24] Then, fred, can YOU link me to a guide or whatever? because I have no clue about how to set it up. [17:25] Guide sounds retarded, but just instructions. [17:25] Aizawa: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption [17:25] Don't know a guide, when I used a WPA network, I just had the manpage, vim, and a key :p [17:25] Aizawa: man wpa_supplicant.conf [17:25] Oh. [17:25] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] I should have tried that [17:25] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] there are exmaples of wpa and wep setups in there [17:26] Thank god [17:26] and you [17:26] no, thank Pat ;) [17:26] "sound server information message: error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened(Permission denied) the sound server will continue, using the null output device" [17:26] Heh, yeah [17:26] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-206-172.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [17:26] that's what happened after changing 3 to 4 in inittab [17:26] jozefk: are you in the 'audio' group? [17:27] ls -la /dev/dsp [17:27] i'm not in a group at all [17:27] you should be. [17:27] man gpasswd [17:27] gpasswd -a jozefk audio [17:28] that [17:28] you need to relogin... so kill X and logout and login [17:28] that's what i need to do and it will work? [17:28] yep [17:28] opened(Permission denied) <-- [17:28] ok. i'll try. 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[17:32] well that's all for now. i have internet and KDE and sound. enough for beggining [17:33] jozefk: congrats :) [17:33] will go now. see you some next time. thanks nullboy :) and thumbs as well. thrice` you too ;) [17:33] jozefk: Linux blows! [17:33] :P [17:33] jozefk: congrats! [17:33] yeah it is acidchild but Adobe is something i can't work without [17:34] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] Linux doesn't blow! [17:34] how dare you! [17:34] =| [17:34] that's why i still need win. but i'll do dual boot [17:34] linux blow for sure [17:34] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:35] shush noobiew [17:35] =P [17:35] heh [17:37] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] jozefk (n=jozefk@86.96.226.15) left ##slackware. [17:37] bono (i=bono@118-160-163-110.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] bono (i=bono@118-160-163-110.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:38] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: "Leaving" [17:38] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [17:42] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:42] howdy folk :-) [17:42] macavity: Hi. How are you today? [17:43] i got my mom a birthday gift! [17:43] 50 rounds of .45ACP! [17:43] Action: panzer spanks nullboy for not getting his mom 100 rounds of 45 [17:43] haha [17:43] nice birthday present nullboy! [17:43] ;) [17:44] ammunition is always a good gift [17:44] pistol packin' mamma :D [17:44] useful [17:44] yeah don't make my mommy mad [17:44] when you going to send some 7.62x39 my way [17:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMDsV_lurd8 [17:45] lol [17:45] that's awesome [17:46] its a classic, been around since the 1920's [17:46] What the hell? "Not available in your country."? [17:46] Youtube has become weird lately [17:46] Aizawa: you in CA? [17:46] I'm in Sweden. [17:46] hmm [17:46] search YouTube for "pistol packin' mamma" [17:47] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.45.117) left irc: Success [17:47] 'kay [17:47] Oh, a song? [17:48] lol [17:48] yes, a classic song [17:49] it was a hit in the 1930's & 40's [17:49] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Greetings Programs! [17:50] jkwood,lol [17:50] hello NyteOwl [17:50] Hi NyteOwl [17:50] Hi NyteOwl [17:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host116-235-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:51] 00101 [17:51] ITechJun1ie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:51] 5? [17:51] oops, my bad, pistol packin; mamma was written in 1943 by Al Dexter [17:51] I'm not getting any sound! :( I have an Ensinique AudioPCI and I'm running Slack 12.2 [17:52] jescis: does lspci see your card? [17:52] alsaconf [17:52] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.45.117) joined ##slackware. [17:52] gotta take a shower, bbiaf [17:53] thumbs, yes [17:53] then run alsaconf, as suggested. [17:53] (as root) [17:54] ok I am thanks [17:54] ITechJunkie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] hba (n=hba@189.188.160.254) joined ##slackware. [17:56] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:56] jescis: then run alsamixer and alsactl store [17:57] as root [17:58] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] alsaconf is generally not needed... [18:02] I'm getting "Error while initializing the sound driver: couldn't connect to server " [18:02] O_O [18:02] jescis: dmesg | tail [18:02] upload to pastebin [18:04] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: "BIOS update, i hope i survive" [18:04] it shows nothing in dmesg :o [18:04] ok... we wont see edman007 for two weeks now :P [18:04] what happened? [18:04] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:04] great my next door neighbor thinks she can sing but she sucks [18:05] and she's sucking really loud right now [18:05] she has a banjo now too [18:05] nullboy, go put something in her mouth [18:05] Action: panzer steals nullboy's mom's pistol and then shoots nullboy's neighbor [18:05] jescis: just double checking here.. did you run it as root? [18:05] lol [18:05] stop or my mom will shot [18:06] shoot [18:06] macavity, yes I did [18:07] the last thing dmesg has is about fglrx and firefox-bin [18:07] hang on.. i am grepping alsaconf (its just a script) [18:08] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] Action: jescis hangs on the ceiling's chandelier [18:09] jescis: you better ask in #alsa [18:09] ok [18:09] jescis: the channel topic contains a link to a script that you are supposed to run [18:09] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-148-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:09] jescis: ... and pastebin the result [18:10] it only has the wiki's address [18:10] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.165.82) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:14] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:15] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.45.117) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:19] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11046 [18:20] any understand whats b0rked? [18:20] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:21] the flux capacitor isn't fluxing. it needs some love wax :p [18:21] sgg (n=wbb@83.212.56.202) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] at a guess I would say it's looking for a different version libatk [18:21] NyteOwl: or a good old fashioned round of spanking with a cane... 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[18:29] gar0t0 (n=ligia@201.70.19.74) left irc: "fui" [18:29] acidchild: soory to kibitz. it's an accessibility toolkit for Gnome [18:29] s/kibitx/kibbitz [18:29] iirc that is [18:30] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.172.87) left irc: "leaving" [18:34] Urg :| [18:34] Action: acidchild is trying to install nessus [18:35] whatisthat? [18:36] Action: panzer hands macavity some spaces [18:36] network scanner [18:36] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-211.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:36] ant-UK-g7 (n=User@cpc3-stkp1-0-0-cust419.manc.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] now look what you did ! [18:36] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:37] network scanners should not depend on anything else than libpcap and *maybe* ncurses :P [18:37] Ruthven_ (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-188-67.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] ugh, curses :P [18:41] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:42] ncurses is actually pretty bright [18:42] and no, it does not mean "fancy ascii windows" [18:43] it can do a lot of screen manipulation that one would want in, say, a network scanner [18:43] for one thing it can discard writes to screen if they come in faster than the tty can be updated [18:45] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:45] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] eg, if the counter in a cell speeds off at 10K packets/sec, it is pretty lame to do it with printf(), as that will totally hang hang the scanner waiting for terminal io (unless it is multi threaded.. then it will just blow CPU off for no good reason) [18:45] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:45] ant-UK-g7 (n=User@cpc3-stkp1-0-0-cust419.manc.cable.ntl.com) left ##slackware ("woo"). [18:45] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] ncurses conveniently optimizes for stuff like that [18:46] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:46] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:53] Action: hba is thinking that adding 'deb2tgz' in next slackware release would be cool. [18:53] guitarma14 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] hi i've ubuntu and slackware in dual-boot using ubuntu's grub bootmanager, but the initrd for slackware is missing so i won't be able to boot it, how can i create a working initrd? maybe under ubuntu? [18:54] would i be insane installing slackware 12.2 to use a gui on a Celeron 333 Mhz with 256 mb ram? [18:55] i am guessing even with fluxbox it might be hurtingly slow [18:55] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Doc_Zoid: use slackware cd/dvd installation disc and boot into it, then read /boot/README.initrd [18:55] guitarma14, read http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-to-a-machine-with-64mb-ram/ [18:55] hba: as if rpm2tgz doesnt bork up enough stuff already :P [18:56] i already have build an initrd for my kernel and my root filesystem but it seems slack isn't able to read from it (initrd.gz in this file ther is another image and in this image are the tree) [18:57] Doc_Zoid: per default slackware does not need an initrd.. only if you switch to one of the -generic kernels.. as opposed to the default -huge kernel[s] [18:58] ah you mean when i'm using the huge kernel i doesn't need an initrd image? [18:58] thx DeeeP - very interesting [18:58] rigt [18:58] macavity: hahaha :) but it would be "just" cool... [18:59] macavity ok i'll try it, before i used the generic in grub [18:59] DeeeP - might be an interesting project to see if I can really streamline the install... get my son by for a bit until we can volunteer with our local freegeek and get him a P4 system. [18:59] Doc_Zoid (n=Doc_Zoid@p5B3B3A65.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [18:59] hba: i think that both rpm and rpm2tgz should be in /unsupported [18:59] :P [19:00] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:01] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-211-156.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] macavity: mmmh, yeah maybe but since "its an standard"(lsb) it should be there. [19:04] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [19:05] hba: have you noticed that it is marked as unsupported in the installer? [19:06] anyhows.. time to read e-mail and watch goat prøn ;-) [19:06] baaahhhh [19:07] macavity: haha :) [19:07] nullboy: ok.. actually it is latex goat hentai bukake prøn [19:07] nullboy: just dont tell anyone! [19:07] baaahhhgoooaahhhSPLAT [19:08] Action: hba recommends girltapdotcom :) [19:10] uva (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.141.15) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [19:13] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:14] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:14] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:14] uva (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:14] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] paissad (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:19] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:22] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:23] ohh noes, he brought his clone :o [19:23] I guess edman007_ survived the bios update [19:23] panzer, yea... [19:23] laugh [19:23] but not edman007 ? [19:23] it is a ghost :| [19:23] then i enabled the watchdog stuff because i thought it was configured [19:23] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:24] it was not, so the watchdog gave me a reboot :( [19:24] fglrx still does not work though :( [19:24] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [19:24] rofl, and FF3 suffered some data loss... [19:25] |mithenks| (n=eymrich@213.243.230.127) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] and it was really hard to get my BIOS working, thing refused to run if the autoexec.bat ran becauses it loaded the highmem stuff, turning that off disabled loading of the cd driver... [19:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:30] nix_chix0r, you are here? you exploded right? [19:31] haha, that reboot gave me a lot of data loss... [19:31] Russia sank a Chinese ship [19:31] that's amazing [19:31] all my irc logs are mixed up [19:32] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] nullboy: probably junk anyway :p [19:33] i think tension is high everywhere, WW3 could be just around the corner, all it takes just a little push and a shove [19:33] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:34] lol [19:34] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] i dont know how ww3 will be faught but ww4 will be faught with sticks and stones --alfred einstein [19:34] if there is anyone left alive to fight ww4 [19:34] is that the guy that owns the deli? [19:34] Pig_Pen, some will survive in space, lol [19:35] they won't survive long without cargo deliveries [19:35] a few in underground bunkers, but if the world gets nuked to the point that it no longer supports life then what would be the point [19:36] half life of the radio active material in n00ks is 25k years [19:36] the last thing i'm worried about is nuclear winter [19:36] Pig_Pen, well i don't think we can nuke the world to the point that the world can't hold life... [19:37] do you realize just how many warheads ti would take to completely wipe the surface of the earth? [19:37] it's insane [19:37] they have already found things that feed off radiation just like plants feed off sunlight [19:37] nullboy: no worries if you dont survive; problem is if you do survive [19:38] to sterilize the surface of the planet with nuclear weapons would be quite a feat [19:38] edman007, no [19:39] nix_chix0r, haha [19:39] nullboy, exactly...removing all humans would be much easier, though still very tough [19:39] ...unless its skynet firing the nukes [19:40] nix_chix0r, getting lots of sleep? [19:40] sgg (n=wbb@83.212.57.16) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:40] not really no, [19:40] sgg (n=wbb@83.212.57.227) joined ##slackware. [19:40] haha [19:41] alright, i'll be back...more testing with fglrx [19:41] :( [19:41] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-211-156.mycingular.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:42] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host116-235-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [19:44] Aizawa (n=Aizawa@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:44] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:45] the biggest worry i have about a nuclear war is the idea that those who were dumb enough to start it will likely be the ones most likely to survive [19:47] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] mankind will not end with a bang but with a whimper --albert einstein [19:48] I hope the nuclear capable powers keep themselves in check....and watch Iran. Nuclear war is not a sane option. [19:49] Yo!( instead of the morning/afternoon/evening greetings), people [19:49] Yo! [19:49] MLanden: Yo! [19:49] sgg (n=wbb@83.212.57.227) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:50] jescis (n=jescis@98.80.28.196) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:50] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:51] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:52] Not so much as a whimper but a lot of nothing to complain about [19:53] noticed the Albert Einstein quote [19:53] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.7) joined ##slackware. [19:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@azr64.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:53] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.9.6) joined ##slackware. [19:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@acwi205.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:54] I always thought that quote was that if WW3 is fought with nuclear weapons WW$ will be fought with bows and arrows [19:54] i'm more worried about a space rock than nuclear war to be hinest [19:54] honest [19:54] nullboy: indeed [19:54] lotsa debris up ther [19:55] yeah [19:56] alien invasion :o [19:56] sure, we are more than capable of really putting a dent into human advancement with our self produced weapons but i think to really mess up the planet will take a space object [19:57] Wasn't that a basis of a sci-fi series where the population of earth used all their nuclear missiles to destroy a meteor about to collde with earth? [19:57] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] i'm use there has been fiction like that [19:58] yup, title was Meteor [19:58] yes [19:58] then instead of an interstellar slug you get an interstellar shotgun blast..GG [19:58] more recently Deep Impact and one other [19:59] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:59] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [19:59] Deep Impact, that's it... thanks [20:00] sgg (n=wbb@83.212.57.24) joined ##slackware. [20:00] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] anyone else having problems with `alsactl store` storing a config that `alsactl restore` can't load completely? [20:00] i get alsactl: set_control:1407: Cannot write control '2:0:0:PCM Playback Volume:0' : Operation not permitted [20:00] edman007: What is your soundchip? [20:00] :( [20:01] intel hda... [20:01] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB High Definition Audio Controller (rev 09) [20:02] its really annoying having to adjust the audio settings after each boot :( [20:02] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:02] i've got the sigmatel HDA stack [20:02] i'll say this much...at least it works [20:03] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [20:04] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:04] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) left irc: "leaving" [20:05] i have a toilet like this http://technology.todaysbigthing.com/2009/03/12 [20:05] mine is the compress air+water type [20:05] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:07] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] edman007: mv /etc/asound.state /etc/asound.state.orig [20:08] edman007: then as root run: alsactl store [20:09] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:09] wmaikon_ (n=wmaikon@187.5.144.32) joined ##slackware. [20:10] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:11] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) left irc: "Saindo" [20:11] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:13] anyone else use the MPlayer -svn builds instead of the ancient release tarballs? [20:14] wmaikon__ (n=wmaikon@200-138-254-241.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:14] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] ya [20:14] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] ya [20:15] grazymax (n=grazymax@host238-12-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:15] nullboy, its the dinos for me! [20:15] lol [20:16] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:16] gnubien, hmm, no erros right now...and i thought i did that yesterday... [20:17] i just use the snapshot of mplayer, the latest rc wont build on slackware-12.1, have not tried that last rc on 12.2 [20:17] well if its broken next time i reboot i blame gnubien [20:17] guys the tagfiles which provided here http://slackwiki.org/Minimal_System#How_to_install_this_minimal_system works on slackware 12.2 and any other slackware? [20:18] bono (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] i mean (works) if these tagfiles give you the minimal slackware system [20:19] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-211.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[20:24] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] guitarma14 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:27] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:27] wtf? http://technology.todaysbigthing.com/2009/01/20 [20:28] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [20:28] uva (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] lol,hba [20:30] night all [20:30] sleep sucks [20:30] macavity: good night. [20:30] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [20:32] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:33] nullboy: I tried building k9copy from SBo, but got errors. I'm on -current. [20:33] wmaikon (n=wmaikon@201-3-207-103.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:33] firebird619: the SBo version isn't for kde4 [20:33] the k9copy for kde4 is a newer version [20:33] nullboy: haven't tried that. Have you? [20:34] it's not just a drop in replacement [20:34] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-211.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] SBo version's for k9copy is qt3,right? [20:34] yes [20:34] kde3 [20:34] the kde4 version uses cmake [20:35] that's what I thought [20:35] Could someone point me to an optimized build of Firefox for Linux? If it exists? Googling just leads me to a speed comparison of firefox on linux vs. on windows [20:35] And it says something about how the Linux version doesnt have "profile" optimization [20:36] caixabox_ (n=elcio@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] redtricycle: you can build it yourself [20:37] look at slamd64's build for an example [20:37] I was curious about any optimization switches, or patches [20:37] okay [20:37] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [20:37] wmaikon__ (n=wmaikon@200-138-254-241.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:37] i'm going to build the kde4 k9copy right now [20:38] redtricycle, source directory should have it. [20:38] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:38] ccfreak2k: not in slackware [20:39] damn those are expensive tires ... 285/40R18 [20:39] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] bbiab [20:40] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:41] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:42] it works! [20:42] schweet [20:42] and it's much better now [20:43] What was causing the glitchup before, nullboy? [20:43] ? [20:43] we already explained it [20:43] kde4 is much different than kde3 [20:43] i think google search has gone to heck in a handbasket sometimes, like someone is gaming google's page rank system [20:44] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-187.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] the SBo build for k9copy is for kde3 only [20:44] OK....sorry 'bout that [20:44] they really fixed it up now [20:45] the interface doesn't suck as much anymore and there are far more options available [20:45] congrats, nullboy [20:45] Pig_Pen, no way! [20:47] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl6-220-10.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:47] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:48] yht (i=1000@114.121.160.63) left irc: "just for a while" [20:48] keyword squatters are gaming google's webspiders [20:49] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.35) joined ##slackware. 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[20:57] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns4-tic-C8B13082.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:57] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [20:58] i know! thats how i felt, it was like sacralidge when i first realized google is not the holy search engine i thought it to be [20:58] Philadelphia (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:59] <|lestat|> lol [20:59] Philadelphia (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] the horror:) [20:59] <|lestat|> heya [20:59] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [21:01] hiya |lestat| [21:01] Action: |lestat| is chewing gum and chatting: a real time multitasker [21:01] <|lestat|> Pig_Pen: lol! [21:01] heh [21:01] Yo! [21:01] guys the tagfiles which provided here http://slackwiki.org/Minimal_System#How_to_install_this_minimal_system works on slackware 12.2 and any other slackware? [21:02] i ask because on latest releases there is some new packages [21:02] <|lestat|> MLanden: hya! [21:03] <|lestat|> guys, im just prked at the channel while waiting for this pain in ass download :) [21:03] <|lestat|> parked [21:03] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:04] <|lestat|> hope not to be hostilized, since im running a Windows 7 b... [21:04] <|lestat|> just kidding [21:04] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [21:06] <|lestat|> Pig_Pen: whats so bad about google? (lately i had noticed they increased connections per query).. [21:07] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [21:07] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [21:07] google is still better than the others [21:08] hurray, windows 7 [21:08] <|lestat|> th0ger: hehehe [21:08] <|lestat|> ops [21:08] windows killer [21:08] <|lestat|> thrice`: heheh [21:08] er linux killer, they say [21:08] <|lestat|> thrice`: really? [21:08] i would not hold my breath for windows 7 [21:09] hopefully windows 7 will be OK. I'm sick of using XP at work :) [21:10] anyone know how to view the total amount of memory installed (like the number and size of all dimms), not the numbers top/free gives you? [21:10] <|lestat|> I read that Windows 7 is a kind of improved Vista..... [21:10] <|lestat|> edman007: tried free? [21:10] edman007: dmidecode will tell you the available amount, but "free -m" should show the installed amount [21:10] <|lestat|> ops,,, [21:10] thrice`, |lestat|, free that is usable memory, not installed memory [21:11] <|lestat|> thrice`: cuel! [21:11] same with top [21:11] its usable memory [21:11] no, the "Total" is how much is in your pc [21:11] total column in free, that is [21:11] <|lestat|> edman007: aye... it displays a table w/ total/used/free in here [21:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [21:13] |lestat|, thrice` no, thats not what free tells you, "Total" is the amount of memory that can be swapped out, xen and many kernel things will allocate unswappable memory, and that will reduce the number those apps consider the total [21:13] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:13] A low level memory test like memtest86 might be able to get you that information [21:13] but dmimencode does tell me [21:14] dmidecode [21:14] whatever [21:14] heh [21:14] not very readable, but i can figure it out, lol [21:15] <|lestat|> edman007: uh... I think you re right. so, real total should be "total+buffers+cached" displayed by free :) [21:15] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.35) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:15] |lestat|, no [21:15] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.188) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Any of you guys tried running Miro in 12.2? [21:17] <|lestat|> i finished downloading, but since im learning good things in here... [21:17] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [21:17] |lestat|: which distro do you use currently? [21:17] example i have *exactly* 8GB of ram installed, that means 8192MB of ram, but free -m on my system shows 7975MB, 217MB of memory can't be swapped, it can't be used by userspace, thus most apps don't consider it [21:17] <|lestat|> thrice`: an old mandrake [21:18] ah [21:18] |lestat|: from 1998? [21:18] <|lestat|> nooper: .... [21:18] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:18] <|lestat|> nooper: 2000 [21:18] ah [21:19] anyone using the -> Creative SB X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty pro series <- sound card ? I am in the market for a new sound card ans was just wondering what comments i would get ont he card. =) [21:20] Action: nooper still has his Mandrake 6.0 CD set [21:20] <|lestat|> thrice`: I had customized it so hard that now its hard to leave it [21:20] mib_a3fm6r (i=4672829f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e1ef4cefdec12fb) joined ##slackware. [21:20] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@66.8.182.104) left irc: Connection timed out [21:20] mib_a3fm6r (i=4672829f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7e1ef4cefdec12fb) left ##slackware. [21:20] dtanner search for sound card at http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main then find the snd module it uses and search for the snd module at alsa wiki [21:21] dtanner search this site for your card or problem and ask in the alsa forum: http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net [21:21] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:22] <|lestat|> edman007: uhhh 8GB :).... do you work at NASA? [21:22] |lestat|, its honestly not enough, i'm getting another 8GB as soon as i can get the cash [21:22] <|lestat|> edman007: youre scaring me [21:22] gnubien: will do [21:23] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:23] uva (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:23] |lestat|, running a few VMs sucks RAM, and my non-VM stuff usually sucks 2-3GB ram [21:23] he probably runs firefox and needs all that memory [21:24] bryjen (n=bryjen@cpe-75-81-243-228.we.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:24] <|lestat|> edman007: thats cool [21:24] <|lestat|> nooper: hehe [21:24] nooper, 4942 edman007 20 0 1166m 820m 25m S 12 10.3 6:45.85 firefox-bin [21:24] edman007: what non-VM stuff sucks 2-3 Gb ram? [21:24] danc3, xchat has a leak too, i get xchat up to 800MB as well [21:25] what version of xchat? [21:25] <|lestat|> uh-oh... [21:25] <|lestat|> xchat [21:25] whatever is included with slamd64 (and thus slack) [21:25] you could just exit and restart xchat once in a while... [21:25] i talked to the devs, they said its probably one of the ones recently fixed in git [21:26] like once a week.... [21:26] heh [21:26] danc3, nooo [21:26] right now though i'm more interesting in making fglrx run just a bit on my system [21:27] just hard to grasp having something using 2-3 GB ram... [21:27] <|lestat|> hey guys, gotta leave now - glad to chat with you all! [21:27] <|lestat|> gnite [21:27] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns4-tic-C8B13082.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) left irc: [21:28] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-010-200.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] danc3, 1.3GB used right now, i have no VMs up, no openoffice, no wine apps, no PDFs, etc, and my uptime is less than 6 hours right now [21:28] i usually have all those open [21:28] so what is using 1.3? [21:28] FF is .8GB.. [21:28] huh???? [21:29] anyone have a working config.h for evilvte i can read? [21:29] how many tabs do you have open on FF? [21:29] that's ridiculous [21:29] mdeanda_ (n=mdeanda@cpe-76-170-19-19.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:29] edman007: good luck with fglrx [21:29] X if 200MB, and then 20-50MB for pidgin, xchat, terminal, gnash, mysql, mythtv [21:29] s/if/is/ [21:29] danc3, uhh, 100 or so.. [21:29] are you serious? [21:30] maybe more, i'm not counting [21:30] why do you need that many open? [21:30] extreme web browsing [21:30] some people just dont understand bookmarks [21:30] I was thinking of another word, rather than "extreme"... [21:31] seriously, why would you ever have that many tabs open? [21:32] http://imagebin.org/41371 [21:32] looks normal to me... [21:32] seriously, why would you ever have that many tabs open? [21:32] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:32] its like bookmarks, only better [21:33] seriously, why would you ever have that many tabs open? [21:33] you don't like it? i do :P [21:33] seriously, why would you ever have that many tabs open? [21:33] Action: edman007 bites danc3 [21:33] if you are porn browsing, its easy to have tons of tabslol [21:33] you're not going to answer the question? [21:34] acidkill, no pr0n in that screenshot ;) [21:34] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:34] logic does not go in the same line as edman007 ;) [21:35] edman007: really, I'd like to know why you would do that [21:35] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] so he can complain about its memory usage ;) [21:35] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B087409.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] heh [21:35] i think that is the bookmarks toolbar [21:35] jordan_ (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] edman007: ? [21:36] i don't use bookmarks, when i work on stuff i open all the tabs for that thing, look through them, and then switch to something else and open tabs for that, and when i go back to whatever i already have all the pages loaded [21:36] ummmm.... ok [21:36] bookmarks are too long lasting and don't fit with my browsing style [21:37] so, if you want to look at them again next week, you have to remember/type in all the addresses again, right? [21:37] or do you write them down on paper [21:37] no, i switch to that tab.. [21:37] lol [21:37] oh, you don't close the browser for weeks/months at a time? [21:38] when you close ff, it'll offer to remember the tabs you have open [21:38] this is becoming noobfarm material, I think [21:39] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:39] Nick change: jordan_ -> diabolix [21:39] danc3, exactly [21:39] and if i do, well its session saved, so all the tabs come back [21:39] edman007: what if the browser crashes, or there's a power outage? [21:39] danc3, it saves it..they come back after a crash [21:39] oh [21:40] ok well that pretty much explains why you need so much RAM... most folks don't do things like that [21:40] Action: bryjen bets that makes it load oh-so-fast [21:40] he only opens the browser once a year, or so [21:40] bryjen, yea, well it takes fscking forever to load back up after a crash...which is why i never close it [21:40] I guess [21:41] damn, that's just........................... insane [21:41] i had to patch it to make ctl-q prompt for quit because of that issue [21:41] the FF people think its a "Feature" and thus won't fix that one [21:41] Action: danc3 goes off to watch 'My Cousin Vinny'...... can't take any more of Loony-Hour..... [21:41] so the keychain auth race is the only real problem i have... [21:42] that is very annoying [21:42] bleh [21:43] I cant find a slackbuild to build firefox from source [21:43] I dont want to use their binaries! [21:43] someone must've written one somewhere.. [21:43] redtricycle, grab it from slamd64 and modify it [21:43] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable061.93-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:45] hi. how would I verify that the WG311v3 requires a libertas driver? I see that libertas is built into the kernel, is for marvell chipset and that card SERIES yet does not detect the card...anyone heard of this? google doesn't help much. am currently using ndiswrapper. [21:45] (in slack 12.2) [21:47] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:47] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.46) joined ##slackware. [21:47] spook: i'm beginning to lose hope over here. you started out so well and then sorta just fizzled :-/ [21:49] ? [21:50] edman007: i told him that already [21:51] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:53] dtanner sure, have fun ;) [21:54] i am , this onboard sound here is total shite [21:54] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:54] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] i like the emu10k1 chips , they always seem to do real well. [21:54] dtanner: used pci audigy2 platinum or value for less than $50 [21:54] yup [21:55] i just saw one for 54 bucks [21:55] looking at frys now [21:55] dofas (n=Shadow@189.71.1.81) joined ##slackware. [21:55] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:55] gnubien: That's the one I have, with the break-out box. It works great. [21:55] dtanner: sb0240 is audigy2 platinum; sb0400 is audigy2 value, both work good in alsa [21:56] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] good to know gnubien , thanks again [21:56] Creative had it for $19.99 Refurb a few weeks back. [21:56] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:56] firebird619: nice, audigy2 is a great card [21:57] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] gnubien: Yes, it sure is. Optical out to 500 Watt home theater system. :D [21:57] firebird619: which card? the platinum? [21:57] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.3.236) joined ##slackware. [21:57] gnubien: Yes. The break-out box has the optical connections on it. [21:57] really nice [21:57] yeah [21:58] great quality sound from those cards imho [21:58] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:58] gnubien: Yes. If only I good get the remote control working with it I'd be set, but that's not too big of a deal. [21:59] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] firebird619: there maybe a firmware app at alsa-project.org download page [21:59] gnubien: i have an awesome set of speakers here , they are by Edirol for studio monitor speakers. have analogue/digital( optical and coax) connections. and they sound better than any "computer speakers" i have ever heard. Edirol MA-15 ( by Rolandus.com ) [21:59] dofas (n=Shadow@189.71.1.81) left ##slackware. [22:00] gnubien: Before this one, I had an SB Live Digital Card (with Boston Acoustics 4.1 Digital Set), and before the the SB Live Digital Card, but the Value edition. [22:00] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [22:00] gnubien: Yeah, maybe there is. I have searched google and all over to figure it out, but no luck. Maybe I missed something. [22:00] dtanner: edirol speakers are usb? [22:00] firebird619: i have an sblive in one of my boxes here , great card. i have always enjoyed it. [22:01] gnubien: they have a smaller set that is usb powered. but the MA-15 are not usb for power nor audio. [22:01] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:01] dtanner: Yes, SB Live cards are good to I think. It was really good with my BA Digital Speakers, but now the two rear are going out (crackling), plus I have this audigy now with optical to the home theater. [22:01] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] bbiab [22:02] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:03] gnubien: firebird619 check these out -> http://rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=746&ParentId=114 [22:03] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [22:04] those are the ones i have now [22:04] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.85.144) joined ##slackware. [22:05] dtanner http://alsa.opensrc.org/Special:Search?search=edirol&go=Go [22:05] dtanner: Wow. I bet they are nice and good sounding. I would like to try monitors some day, but just don't have that kind of money to spend. [22:05] hiya folks. not much to say all in all. made it back from this nightmare move in chicago. [22:05] jiffypop: Hey. How are you? [22:05] those also have a jack for a seperate woofer if you are one that needs insane amounts of bass. they have killer bass "as-is" though. [22:05] gonna deliver in carmel, in monday and then load tuesday for houston [22:06] on monday even [22:06] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:06] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.85.144) left irc: Client Quit [22:06] dtanner: Yeah, bass is nice, but not when I drowns out the rest of the music. [22:06] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) joined ##slackware. [22:06] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] the bass is so crystal clear on the ma-15 [22:07] i cant take anymore of this intel on-board sound chip though [22:07] =) [22:07] then off to kansas city to load another one for texas [22:07] so, blah blah blah [22:07] dtanner: My home theater bass is nice, it has where you can adjust the dB of each speaker, but my digital speakers, I had to turn the bass down. [22:07] Action: ananke pets his $20 polkaudio s10's, and $5 polkaudio s4's :) [22:08] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] :) You pet your speakers. [22:08] firebird619: i'm still breathin [22:08] jiffypop: Well that's good. :) [22:08] ananke: =) , i have a set of 30 dollar Yamahas i bought serveral yars ago that are really great and inexpensive also. sometimes the cheap speakers can be real good. i am just spoiled on the edirols =) [22:09] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:09] i bet, they look nice [22:09] never tried the polkaudios, i may give those a look-see to sell along with my customers machines [22:10] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:10] my wireless signal is shit at the moment so i'm actually reading and learning as opposed to looking at goat porn [22:10] dtanner : they're quite decent, and since this was a thrift store purchase, i'm very pleased with them. they are in perfect condition [22:10] so crystal clear, like i said they are made for studio quality monitor sound. Ma-15 man they are great. i may get an external woofer to add to them if i find what i want. [22:10] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:11] ananke: my favorite online store to buy computer parts has been closed ( monarchcomputer.com ) is now just a click through search site :( [22:11] redtricycle: did you figure it out yet [22:11] ? [22:11] paissad (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:12] speaking of purchasing computer stuff, i just spent $350 on a digital camera + bag, bought it from dell. they were the cheapest around [22:12] nullboy: well, I was looking into iceweasel [22:12] back directly...smoke break [22:12] which is why I didnt use the slackware 64 slackbuild [22:12] and zenwalk has an iceweasel package [22:12] but bleh, their mirrors arent working for me [22:12] ananke: What camera did you get? [22:12] hat seems a little pricey, must be a great camera. [22:12] that* [22:12] i'm building the slamd64 ff right now [22:12] did you rewrite the slackbuild? [22:12] Or do you run slamd64>? [22:12] it just needs a few path mods to the script and pkghelpers [22:12] I have a Samsung BL103 10 MP that works great for what I need. [22:13] firebird619 : i've been debating between going out and getting canon rebel xs, but i decided to wait for a few years. instead, i got canon powershot sx 10 [22:13] I just didnt want to patch it with that mime-plugin thing [22:13] redtricycle: i'm building the slamd64 ff from source on slackware [22:13] i see [22:13] ananke: i have the sony cybershot, i like the cybershot line pretty well. i think this one was about 220 USD [22:13] Okay, I'll have to finish this next time [22:13] gotta run off [22:13] thanks nullboy [22:13] ananke: Ah, ok. Has it come yet or did you just order it? [22:13] ananke: it is the cybershot W-55 [22:13] Would...someone ever submit a slackbuild for mozilla into slackbuilds.org? [22:13] no [22:13] or is that a no-no b/c it's included in lackware? [22:13] correct [22:13] Okay, just wondering [22:13] dtanner : yeah, i have a smaller canon, the size of those cybershots. i wanted something a bit bigger [22:14] firebird619 : just ordered it [22:14] ananke: Ok. Have fun with it. :) [22:14] when you get it. [22:14] ananke: yeah , a little beigger gives a more comfortable holding position [22:14] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.158.3.236) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:14] firebird619 : i'm looking forward to it. it has 20x zoom :) [22:14] I have 4 digital cameras. The latest being that 10 MP one that my aunt and uncle gave me last Christmas. [22:14] wow ... 20x [22:14] ananke: 20x omg. [22:15] pretty cool [22:15] lol, I am in a small town. 20x could probably zoom across town. haha. [22:15] i was thinking about going for a digital SLR, but i figured i need some more practice with something easier [22:16] ananke: That SX 10 is a nice camera. The flip out screen will be nice I am sure. [22:17] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] The most zoom any of my cams have is 3x. [22:17] firebird619 : that was one of the things that made me purchase it. i currently have canon a610, with similar flip out screen, and i got used to it. you can take photos from very unusual angles, or change it to reduce sun glare [22:18] ananke: Yeah. I have those Delkin pop-up shades on all of my cameras. [22:18] btw, dpreview.com is an excellent site for researching digitial cameras. a coworker of mine recommended it [he's an actual professional photographer] [22:18] other_rafa (i=rafa@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:18] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:19] it's really amazing how much digital cameras have advanced [22:19] Yeah, I go there alot too. I usually put the camera brand and model in google and look for reviews, etc. [22:19] I love photography. [22:19] indeed, the w-55 i jsut checked mine, it only gets 3.0x zoom [22:19] ananke: Are you going to someday try that CHDK on it? [22:20] firebird619 : i've actually used it on my a610, and it's impressive. the added functionality is very neat [22:20] dtanner: Yeah, all of mine or only 3x, but it gets the job done, for now anyway. [22:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:20] ananke: Yeah, If I ever get a Canon, I will for sure get a model that is supported and use CHDK. [22:20] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] only one thing i couldn't get working is usb remote, i think i just had wrong voltage [22:22] I am happy with the Samsung I have now though. The first cam I've had with manual aperature and shutter speed. [22:22] ananke: What zoom did your a610 have? [22:22] firebird619 : my a610 also has that, and i've used it extensively. that's one of the reasons why i picked it up, probably 4 years ago [22:23] it has 4x optical [22:23] ananke: Yes, those manual settings are really nice. Lets you get more creative. [22:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:23] it's a really nice design. since a610, they came out with a620, a630 and so on, basically getting higher resolution ccds [22:23] ananke: Heh. It's like Slackware, you have more control over it. :) [22:23] ananke: So 20x will be a nice, big, upgrade. [22:23] and with 4 AA batteries, i could go for 600-700 photos easily [22:24] yeah, not to mention the aperture is bigger [22:25] it goes from F2.8 to 5.7, my current one i think can do only 3.5-5.something [22:25] ananke: bookmarking that site [22:25] thumbs : it's amazing how thorough they are when it comes to reviewing cameras [22:25] ananke: Wow. nice. [22:25] ananke: my current camera can do 5.7 too. [22:26] ananke: Another site I like is www.steves-digicams.com, but I don't think they have as many cameras as the dpreview site. [22:27] thumbs : yeah, i was mostly concerned in getting something that can open wider. F2.8 is getting there. it's still not quite what i could get with a decent DSLR and a good lens, but for $329 this will be a good start [22:27] yeah. [22:27] and i got 7% vt.edu discount, so that saves a few bucks [22:27] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:28] one thing this sx10 doesn't have, which i really wanted to have, is remote trigger [22:28] i want to purchase a digital video recorder. not sure what the best types are nowadays. ones that burn straight to cd/dvd or do they have hard drive based ones now ? i will have to look around and see. [22:28] i'm hoping that maybe chdk will support it, and i'll be able to build a usb based one [22:29] i'm clueless when it comes to camcorders [22:29] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-010-200.mycingular.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:30] dtanner: My uncle has a Sony that records to dvd and is really nice. I don't know much about them either. My camcorder is still a 8mm camcorder I got a a garage sale for $10. [22:30] It works great though. :) [22:30] ananke: chdk support what, remote trigger. [22:31] taquito (i=0@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] here's a good comparison of 12 cameras in this category of 'dslr-like': http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/q109superzoomgroup/ [22:31] ananke: according to CHDK Web site, the SX10 is NOT supported yet. [22:32] firebird619 : i hope they will support this camera, i don't think they do just yet. and with chdk i'd have remote trigger [22:32] ananke: There's home. A pre-beta is available in the forums. [22:32] hope [22:33] ananke: http://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php/topic,2468.msg30486.html#msg30486 [22:33] that's awesome [22:33] ananke: Maybe not fully supported now, but eventually. [22:34] which means that most likely RAW support will be there too [22:34] yay. [22:34] not like i need it, but it would be nice to have as an option [22:34] I wish there was firmware like CHDK for other brands/models of cameras. That would be nice. [22:35] yeah. and the fact that you just load it, makes it such an attractive option. there is no risk of bricking your camera [22:36] ananke: Yeah, that is one of the great things about it. 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[22:40] it has also ability to auto trigger based on face recognition, not sure what it does [22:40] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-127-190.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:41] ananke: Yeah. Mine has a self timer based on motion. When the people stops moving, it takes the picture. [22:41] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [22:41] that's cool [22:42] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:42] ananke: The face recognition, for me anyway, works great. As with other features though, each camera works a little different. I am sure if any company, Canon has it working great. [22:42] and with all that, my batteries died in my cam, while I was playing with it [22:42] haha [22:43] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] thumbs: Does yours take AA's or Lithium Ion. [22:43] apparently my samsung has a red eye filter, which I never used. [22:43] AA's. Rechargeables. [22:43] thumbs: All mine have had red eye filters. In my experience, they don't work that well the most of the time. [22:44] thumbs: Yeah, mines AA's too, I like that better than having the battery packs. [22:44] taquito (i=0@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:44] ananke: Having an 8GB SDHC card is really nice too. LOT's of pictures. :) [22:45] all i have is an old kodak DX4530 5MP [22:45] i feel so inadequate [22:45] nullboy: time for an upgrade maybe? [22:45] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@c-69-253-139-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] soon i think so [22:45] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@c-69-253-139-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:45] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] 5 megapixels is not so bad. [22:46] the quality of the lens matters [22:47] optical zoom :) [22:47] firebird619 : yeah, i was contemplating getting some new sdhc cards. i was looking at 4GB ones, mostly because of the price tag. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000PO3CTM/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A2WTVCOLVN15GP&v=glance < - $5.95 + 3.99 s&h [22:47] obvisouly. [22:47] What I don't think I would ever get is one with 20 some odd megapixels. To me, that is overkill. [22:47] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.198) joined ##slackware. [22:47] ananke: Yeah, I got my 2 8 GB's on newegg for 14.99 [22:47] firebird619 : what brand/model? [22:48] i'm trying to find something that's fairly fast, i'm not concerned too much with space [22:48] each 8 GB was $14.99. Kingston. I'll find the model. [22:48] that would be awesome [22:48] i kept finding cheap ones, but they were slow. [22:49] ananke: This one. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134483&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_- $15.99 right now. Free S&H. [22:50] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:50] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] i wonder what speed is that one. it says class 6, which can mean anything over 6MB/s [22:51] ananke: I am looking for that right now. [22:52] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] with 10megapixel cameras, that's starting to be an issue. my a610 has only 5megapixels, so speed wasn't that big of a concern [22:52] i'm watching the john stewart & jim kramer episode on hulu [22:52] hadn't seen it yet [22:53] ananke: It's fast on my cam. I am not seeing the speed on Kingston's site. [22:53] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.7) joined ##slackware. [22:54] the sandisk extreme III's are really fast, but pricey [22:54] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:54] yeah, i've been pondering those [22:55] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] the nice thing is that overall prices on sd cards have dropped like crazy in the past two years [22:55] ananke: Heh. Amazon says Data Transfer rate: 6 MBps minimum. So they are just going by the Class 6 rating evidentally and not the individual card. [22:55] probably because systems are using them now but hard to find CF cards .... [22:55] ananke: Yeah, prices have dropped significantly. [22:56] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] kitche : yeah. in fact that's why i was looking at rebel xs, rather than any previous ones. rebel xs is the first one to use sd cards [22:56] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] I wish more people made CF cards [22:56] kitche: I still have a 128MB CF card from one of the first digital cameras I had. [22:57] good for hardware that I m thinking of buying :) [22:58] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] ananke: Is there a way I could put the card in my card reader and run some test to get a general speed of it? [22:59] firebird619 : i think so, as long as you use usb2.0 reader [22:59] renew (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:59] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] ananke: Yeah, it's 2.0. I just thought if there was a way, I would check it out and let you know what the speed was. It probably won't be exact, but close. [23:00] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:01] that's ok, i'll just dig some more and find some reviews [23:01] ananke: Ok. :) [23:01] i spent a good week on figuring out what i want to buy [23:02] ananke: I just know it's fast on my cam. I'm just glad my cam supports 8GB. So many only support 4GB. [23:02] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:03] ananke: The speed is really info they should have readily available on the product site, etc. though. [23:03] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:04] zez671 (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:04] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [23:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:05] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@c-69-253-139-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:10] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:11] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:12] nope, it was $329 [23:12] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] ananke: haha. I was looking at the wrong one on dell. I was just looking there now for fun. [23:12] ohh, i'm reading about this face recognition trigger. it's neat: it counts the number of faces in the photo, and waits until an additional one appears. then the motion detection triggers it [23:13] nice [23:13] btw, there is a dell coupon for 5% off all digital cameras [23:13] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [23:13] that sounds like a nice feature. [23:13] but that's only in the home sector. since i was buying in the high-edu sector, it didn't apply [23:14] http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=17630#ModelFeaturesAct <- description of said feature [23:14] ananke: Cool. I know I don't need another cam, at least not now. I like the one I have. I just always like to look. [23:15] definitely, toys are always fun :) [23:15] My cousin won an award or something with is work, iirc it was last year, one of the prizes was an SLR with lenses and all, and he sold it because he didn't think he needed that type of camera. Now, he's been kicking himself in the butt for selling it. :) [23:15] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:15] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:16] i bet [23:17] ananke: Cool, your new cam will let you capture stills while shooting a movie. [23:17] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:17] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] ohh, that's neat [23:18] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:18] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.198) left irc: No route to host [23:18] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] this one shooting mode is fun: Choose to retain a single color in your image while other colors turn monochrome. [23:18] ananke: That's part of the fun too. You get a new camera and then you start learning about it in depth and find a lot of stuff that makes you say "Whoa, it can do that." [23:18] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.32) joined ##slackware. [23:19] ananke: Yes, mine has that too. I LOVE that feature. [23:19] Nick change: Panzer -> panzer [23:19] beanerjo (n=beanerjo@220.76.33.54) joined ##slackware. [23:20] hi [23:20] can't get sound working in one of my favorite games... gltron [23:20] does anyone have experience upgrading pdfTeX? [23:20] too bad for me .. i have sdl_sound installed. but i am using the binary isntead of compiling the source myself for gltron [23:21] ananke: Does it say what colors you can choose. Is it just red, green, and blue? [23:21] beanerjo: i would say just grab the slackware official buildscript and edit as needed and build [23:21] Mine has the option too to make the entire image tinted in either red, green, or blue, or customize your own color. [23:21] dtanner: I've tried it but I didn't see any pdfTeX entry [23:22] perhaps I'll have to download tetex source and replace pdftex? [23:23] firebird619 : it doesn't mention. although i assume you can pick any color, since that's how the color swap feature works in a610 [23:24] ananke: Yeah, probably. It's fun to discover all those neat little features. [23:24] beanerjo: yes it looks like pdftex is in the tetex package [23:24] dtanner: thanks. i'll try that. [23:24] grep pdftex /var/adm/packages/* [23:25] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [23:26] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:26] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:30] ananke: One nice little feature mine has too, as well as some others. Is plays back the slideshow with built-in music. [23:30] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:30] wmaikon (n=wmaikon@189.73.122.70) joined ##slackware. [23:30] wspeaking of gadgets =) i want this -> http://rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=960&ParentId=114 <- handy for quick recordings in high qualiy format [23:31] -w [23:31] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:32] dtanner: That would be a nice gadget to have. [23:33] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:33] firebird619: handy for me when i do not have my big noard and someone wants me to record them live. or when i have a riff on the guitar that i want to record quickly and easily and not forget the idea. [23:34] s/noard/board/ [23:34] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] Philadelphia (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:34] dtanner: Cool. You play guitar? [23:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:35] yes, persussion and bass also. [23:36] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:36] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:36] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] dtanner: nice. I don't know how to play anything. I have been reading through the books I got with my Casio keyboard, in hopes to someday teach myself to play. :) [23:37] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] i like Casio ketboard ,. i have one also. I fool around with it a little [23:37] keyboard* [23:37] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] dtanner: Some day I will learn to play. Just haven't taken the time to buckle down and really learn. I had music classes in High School, so I know a little, just not enough. :) [23:38] beanerjo (n=beanerjo@220.76.33.54) left irc: "Leaving" [23:38] jsut start playing , get your fingers on it .. read a little play a little , it will come around =) [23:39] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:39] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.198) joined ##slackware. [23:40] dtanner: Yeah. I have software too (for Windows :( ), that has lessons that you can go through and play on the keyboard. [23:40] firebird619: one good rul of thumb to remember as faras the notes go is that E-andF and B-andC are the only two pairs of notes that do NOT have a flat./sharp between them thus the two pairs on the keyboard that do not have a black key in between them. =) of course they repeat (different octaves) and are more than two pairs on a keyboard [23:40] dtanner: Ok, thanks for telling me that. [23:40] user26902 (n=user9237@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] np [23:41] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:41] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] user26902 (n=user9237@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:42] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:43] firebird619: does your keyboard have a MIDI-out connector ? If so connect it to your computer that way. assuming you have a MIDI-IN on your sound card which most do. [23:43] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:43] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@c-69-253-139-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:44] or maybe it is MIDI-OUT that the sound cards have , not sure. in that case you couldn't connect it midi IN to the computer. i have never used the midi port except for gaming on computer sound cards. [23:45] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:45] dtanner: Yes. MIDI IN and OUT [23:45] it must be an MIDI IN connector on the sound card becauuse i had gaming pads connnected before. [23:46] dtanner: The MIDI cable I have connects to gameport on the sound card [23:46] sweet., that connector can also be used for connecting to your keyboard, or any instrument that has midi capabilities. [23:47] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:47] which in the case of the sound card having a MIDI out you go to the midi IN on your keyboard and get some software that will allow you to play the keyboard-instrument /with your compuuter keyboard [23:48] dtanner: :) Yeah. The cable was suppose to have come with the keyboard, but it didn't, so I called Casio and I had one in a couple days. [23:48] err MIDI-IN sorry , on the sound card , you will need an adapter of course [23:48] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:49] depending on what typoe of MIDI connector is on the keyboard , there are a couple of physical types of midi connectors, the square ones on the sound cards and the round ones on most instruments. [23:49] dtanner: The keyboard has both a MIDI IN and MIDI OUT on the back, the round ones. [23:49] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:49] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] i figured it had the round ones. the one on yoru sound card is probably not the round one. get an adapter and go from your MIDI OUT on the keyboard itself to the MIDI IN(square-ISH) one on the sound card. then you can control the instrument with your computer keyboard and software [23:51] dtanner: The break out box of my card has a couple MIDI connectors, but they look more like the size of PS2 connectors. [23:51] uva (n=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:51] dtanner: Cool. Thanks. Any software you recommend or know of? [23:52] no but seerach on timidity and related software , let me get a link for you for some dandy list of software for you [23:52] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Ok, Thanks. [23:53] http://www.linux-sound.org/ <- extensive list for MIDI aps and such [23:53] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [23:53] dtanner: This is the keyboard I have. http://www.casio.com/products/archive/Musical_Instruments/Lighted_Keys/LK-50/ It's not big, fancy, and expensive, but certainly good enough to use and learn on. [23:54] damn sure nice enough to learn on =) looks close to the model i have [23:54] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:55] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] i would have to check and see the model unmber , a friend gave it to em the other day because the ac power adapter was shorted out. =) [23:55] dtanner: Yes. Christmas present from my Mom one year. [23:55] dtanner: That site is really nice. Thanks. [23:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:56] firebird619: you like old rock ? 70 style stuff ? check out artist=Grand Funk Railroad -> Album=Pheonix for some great keyboards. [23:56] baz12 (n=opera@213-162-103-89.barryg172.adsl.metronet.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:57] rworkman: ping [23:57] dtanner: Never really listened to old rock, but rock music is what I listen to all the time. I'll have to check it out. [23:57] some of the best keyboards i ever heard on that album [23:57] dtanner: the last CD I got was Red-Innocence and Instinct. I have been trying to find the sheet music for the Nothing and Everything track to hopefully someday learn it. [23:57] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:58] dtanner: Have you ever checked out the David Sides videos on youtube? He is a good piano player. Most of his videos are covers of other songs. [23:59] firebird619: never heard his stuff. i will check it out [23:59] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:59] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] dtanner: Yes, he is really good imho. He has some stuff on itunes and stuff too. I recently discovered his youtube videos. [00:00] --- Sun Mar 15 2009