[00:00] <agentc0re> http://imagebin.org/49002 http://imagebin.org/49003 http://imagebin.org/49004  I call him my Resident Evil dog for a reason. :D
[00:00] <slackmagic> good evening everyone
[00:01] <firebird619> Hey slackmagic. How are you?
[00:01] <slackmagic> firebird619: great, how's your day going?
[00:01] <firebird619> slackmagic: going great.
[00:02] <firebird619> slackmagic: conky was dragging the system performance, I think I'll have to go more minimalist.
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[00:03] <slackmagic> firebird619: yeah, I've always liked my minimalistic approach when working with conky; I just display what I really need to see at all times
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[00:03] <firebird619> slackmagic: yeah, I'm gonna have to do that too, this one I have just went a bit overboard. :P
[00:04] <antiwire> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=665847
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[00:05] <edman007> agentc0re, wtf is up with his eye?
[00:05] <agentc0re> Born without one.
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[00:08] <edman007> ohhh, interesting
[00:08] <dive> firebird619, have a look at root-tail
[00:09] <firebird619> antiwire: lol
[00:09] <firebird619> dive: ok, will do.
[00:10] <firebird619> dive: With filters in procmail, Maildir makes cur, new, and tmp. Do I specify in a filter to put the mail in there from a filter, or do/can I just filter it to a folder in inbox?
[00:11] <dive> firebird619, no idead I've only used mbox format
[00:11] <firebird619> dive: Ok. thanks.
[00:11] <firebird619> Does anyone here use procmail + Maildir?
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[00:12] <dive> firebird619,  http://pastebin.ca/1422336 <- my root-tail check_changelog script
[00:13] <firebird619> dive: thank you
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[00:15] <poona> is there a slackware package of libgeoip?
[00:15] <agentc0re> haha, this is great! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr54QYJPSsY
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[00:18] <dive> agentc0re, lol - wake up you ahole!
[00:18] <antiwire> lol
[00:19] <eviljames> man, i can't believe how much youtube sucks without adblock plus.
[00:20] <dive> s/youtube/intertubes
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[00:20] <eviljames> it kinda explains the commentary though.
[00:20] <dartmouth> oh man this sucks lol
[00:20] <eviljames> because you'd have to be a real slack-jawed yokel to watch through all those ads all day long.
[00:20] <eviljames> And if you read the commentary, those are some REAL slack-jawed yokels.
[00:22] <MrHales> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27trGnc6j0A&feature=related
[00:22] <dartmouth> do you need to have some kind of patch for ati prop drivers for radeon hd 2400?
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[00:24] <MrHales> Actually... that whole series is pretty funny.
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[00:41] <dartmouth> can someone *please* tell me why this is happening??  http://pastebin.com/ma5d4ad9
[00:42] <edman007> dartmouth, looks like your kernel is too new
[00:42] <dartmouth> wtf??
[00:42] <dartmouth> you are kidding
[00:42] <thebigh> oh no! bleedingedgeitis!
[00:43] <dartmouth> is there a patch?
[00:43] <thebigh> an anti-patch?
[00:43] <edman007> i don't know
[00:43] <dartmouth> oh this is not good
[00:43] <edman007> there is a reason binary blobs suck
[00:43] <edman007> and i don't use them ;)
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[00:43] <dartmouth> wait a second
[00:43] <dartmouth> my old kernel was the same version
[00:43] <dartmouth> that cant be it
[00:43] <dive> well something changed
[00:44] <dartmouth> i rebuilt the kernel
[00:44] <dive> ati driver too new?
[00:44] <edman007> or too old
[00:44] <dartmouth> its the same driver package
[00:44] <dartmouth> as last time
[00:44] <dartmouth> same kernel version too
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[00:44] <thebigh> if its without a cast, maybe you forgot to build the wizard module
[00:45] <dartmouth> does that actually mean something or is it a D&D reference?
[00:45] <thebigh> yes, I mean no
[00:45] <dive> .
[00:45] <dartmouth> lol
[00:45] <thebigh> the alcohol made me do it
[00:45] Action: dive stabs thebigh 
[00:45] <edman007> thebigh, ahh, your problem is you don't share
[00:45] Action: thebigh casts beer
[00:45] <dartmouth> well, i dont have the first idea where to even start troubleshooting this
[00:46] Action: dive steals the beer
[00:46] Action: thebigh runs to store quickly before they stop selling alcohol
[00:46] <dive> dartmouth, have you tried make clean and make mrproper (backup .config first though)?
[00:46] <dartmouth> i didn't do make mrproper
[00:46] <dartmouth> im not sure what that does, actually
[00:47] <Dominian> mrproper sets everythin in the source tree back to "factory defaults" basically
[00:47] <Dominian> including deleting your .config
[00:47] <dive> it's like clean but with steroids
[00:47] Action: thebigh shakes Mr. Propers hand and gets along famously.
[00:47] <dartmouth> oh and then just move over the old.config back in its place?
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[00:47] <dartmouth> well, i could give it a shot...
[00:47] Action: thebigh downs a shot
[00:48] <dartmouth> that would be nice
[00:48] <dartmouth> i've been compiling all day
[00:48] <thebigh> You've been letting it compile all day? There's your problem, you're on a 386!
[00:49] <dartmouth> no im on a 64 bit machine
[00:50] <dartmouth> i borked my alsa earlier so i had to rebuild a few times :/
[00:50] <dive> did you do make clean in the ati dir?
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[00:50] <dartmouth> ya
[00:51] <dive> cos make clean/mrproper won't help with kernel source
[00:51] <dive> same files
[00:52] <dive> if you didn't change kernel or ati driver version.. something else must be amiss
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[00:57] <redtricycle> Is there a common reason why xfdesktop segfaults after upgrading to Xfce 4.6.1?
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[00:58] <firebird619> dive: Alright, I figured out with my procmail stuff. Seeing as how kmail uses maildir by default, I looked at that structure and now know what to do. :)
[00:59] <dive> cool
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[01:02] <dartmouth> oh jeez
[01:02] <dartmouth> route to ati.com is down :(
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[01:03] <dive> dartmouth, try amd.com
[01:03] <antiwire> so everyone...whatever happened to AMD+ATI making it so great?
[01:03] <dartmouth> yeah it connects
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[01:05] <Camarade_Tux> hi again slackers !
[01:05] <dive> morning
[01:05] <firebird619> Hi Camarade_Tux. How are you?
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[01:07] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, hi, doing ok
[01:07] <Camarade_Tux> thanks, and how are you ? :)
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[01:08] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks.
[01:08] <firebird619> :)
[01:09] <Camarade_Tux> head up the ass however :)
[01:09] <Camarade_Tux> (direct translation from French)
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[01:11] <dartmouth> hrm
[01:11] <dartmouth> i remember.....
[01:12] <dartmouth> i needed some kind of patch
[01:12] <dartmouth> a diff file
[01:12] <dartmouth> to install it last time
[01:12] <dive> ...
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[01:24] <dartmouth> not really sure why i'd forget something like that...
[01:24] <dartmouth> :D
[01:25] <dive> if you didn't change kernel source the patch should still applied to it
[01:27] <antler> Camarade_Tux: so, how well did the audience respond to your vocal talent?
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[01:27] <firebird619> antler: he didn't sing.
[01:28] <Camarade_Tux> antler :)
[01:28] <Camarade_Tux> yep, didn't sing :)
[01:28] <antler> firebird619: ah. hey. how's your self doing?
[01:28] <firebird619> myself is doing great.
[01:28] Action: Camarade_Tux 'd better hurry up
[01:28] <firebird619> how's yourself?
[01:28] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: for what?
[01:29] <antler> my self is at odds with my body :P
[01:29] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, school ;)
[01:29] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: Ah, ok. see ya later. :)
[01:29] <antler> Camarade_Tux: skip. you know you want to.
[01:29] <firebird619> antler: yikes, I think they got a pill for that, but the side affects are worse than the condition. :P
[01:30] <antler> firebird619: eh... nothing a good night's sleep won't cure ;)
[01:30] <firebird619> that's the best cure. :) No side effects either.
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[01:31] <antler> firebird619: got all that fluxbox thing sorted out? :P
[01:31] <firebird619> yup, sure did.
[01:31] <firebird619> flux is amazing too, imho
[01:31] <dive> agreed
[01:31] <antler> kde here :P
[01:32] <firebird619> antler: Now I'm just working on fetchmail + procmail + sendmail. :) All while waiting for the kernel to build.
[01:32] <dive> I've gone back to flux from xfce - with thunar or pcmanfm don't even have to worry about automounting stuff
[01:32] <firebird619> fluxbox ftw!!!
[01:32] <bijit> ^^^ agreed
[01:32] <dartmouth> (kde4)</whisper>
[01:33] <firebird619> dartmouth: yeah, you better whisper. :P
[01:33] Nick change: dartmouth -> cpunches
[01:34] <firebird619> cpunches?
[01:34] <cpunches> uhh
[01:34] <cpunches> yeah?
[01:34] <cpunches> firebird619?
[01:34] <bijit> lol
[01:34] Nick change: firebird619 -> ckicks
[01:34] Action: ckicks kicks cpunches 
[01:34] Nick change: ckicks -> firebird619
[01:35] Nick change: antiwire -> cheadbutts
[01:35] <cpunches> hah!  hoo!  I have NEVER heard *that* play on words before!
[01:35] <dive> there's a career fair in my town today - I hope something comes up
[01:35] <firebird619> dive: cool.
[01:35] Action: bijit tests
[01:35] <firebird619> tests what>
[01:35] <firebird619> s/>/?
[01:35] <dive> getting a bit bad around here
[01:35] <cheadbutts> you mean a "lets spread disease" convention
[01:35] <Hakudoshi> H1N1
[01:36] <dive> you mean flying pig flu?
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[01:36] <cheadbutts> lol
[01:36] <cpunches> oh jeez i forgot my nickserv password
[01:36] Nick change: cheadbutts -> antiwire
[01:36] <Hakudoshi> ask nickserv for help
[01:36] Action: bijit test "/me"
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[01:37] <dive> /msg nickserv halp meh!
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[01:38] <bijit> Hakudoshi: what will you do to _marc` now?
[01:38] <dive> get some clean wipes and rub him off?
[01:39] <Rat409> lmao
[01:39] <firebird619> haha
[01:39] <firebird619> Hey Rat409, how are you?
[01:39] <Rat409> good bored but good
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[01:40] <Rat409> debating a gnome-slack-build upgrade of 12.2.
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[01:41] <Rat409> gnome 2.6 is in gsb-current
[01:41] <Rat409> 2.26 rather
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[01:42] <Camarade_Tux> antler, it's 4-hour CS, we're doing some project, and, and, and...
[01:42] <Camarade_Tux> I HATE C++ !
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[01:46] <dive> Camarade_Tux, which lang do you prefer?
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[01:47] <Camarade_Tux> dive, ocaml :)
[01:47] <Camarade_Tux> but I enjoy C too
[01:48] <dive> hmm never tried any camls
[01:48] <antiwire> i'm a professional Bashhole
[01:48] <antiwire> yeah right
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[01:50] <antiwire> looks like someone killed screen
[01:51] <firebird619> antiwire: lol, a professional eh?
[01:51] <antiwire> bashhole
[01:51] <antiwire> but not really
[01:51] <firebird619> haha
[01:52] <dive> I use bash too much so I've been forcing myself to use perl
[01:52] <dive> without system calls if I can
[01:53] <dive> it's funny when it takes 1/2 dozen lines to do a bash one liner
[01:53] <dive> or a system one liner
[01:53] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, bash is alright too for me
[01:53] <antiwire> Camarade_Tux: what about perl?
[01:54] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire, never done any
[01:54] <Camarade_Tux> I tried once
[01:54] <Camarade_Tux> I tried
[01:55] <antiwire> I have these concentration issues when it comes to writing code, really need to work on that.
[01:55] <Camarade_Tux> I dreamt about the whole ascii set the following night
[01:55] <dive> rofl
[01:55] <Camarade_Tux> and the morning after, I could do APL
[01:55] <antiwire> lol
[01:55] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire, loud music helps me :)
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[01:56] <antiwire> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic
[01:57] <antiwire> I wonder how many doctors would even know what you're talking about
[01:57] <dive> interesting
[01:57] <antiwire> I've always been tempted to ask one if they'd let me ease into a nootropic program
[01:57] <antiwire> just to see what happens
[01:58] <Camarade_Tux> pfff, the only one I trust in is beer ! or better b33r ! -_-
[01:58] <dive> salt is sposed to be good for thinking - cos it's an eletrolyte I guess
[01:58] <Camarade_Tux> ok, beer and crisp then :)
[01:59] <antiwire> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam
[01:59] <antler> firebird619: oh. i kinda like it when things just sorta work. no fuss. :P
[01:59] <antler> Camarade_Tux: your teammates can take care of your part
[01:59] <antler> :D
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[01:59] <Camarade_Tux> antler, one is already missing today and we're three
[02:00] <antler> Camarade_Tux: :(
[02:00] <Camarade_Tux> I went to be at 2a.m. because I wrote some code for the project, I really want to progress on it
[02:00] <Camarade_Tux> (I basically want to get rid of it as quickly as possible)
[02:01] <Camarade_Tux> it will be free $(today) after that (right, I'm not sure about how this day of the week is called, Thursday I think)
[02:01] <antler> Camarade_Tux: when you die, they'll say, "he wrote some code for the project in 2009. i'll miss him" :P
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[02:01] <Camarade_Tux> s/somme/all/ ;p
[02:02] <Hakudoshi> why would i do anything to _marc` ?
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[02:02] Action: antler is definitely feeling the existentialist angst
[02:03] <Camarade_Tux> antler, no, really, I wrote 100% of the code up to now, I haven't let them enough time to write any ;)
[02:03] <Camarade_Tux> partly because they don't use git
[02:03] <Camarade_Tux> (they use nothing)
[02:04] <Camarade_Tux> well, /me away, should be mibbit'ing soon
[02:05] <Knightingale> anyone know how to get an estimation of how much life is left on a HDD and not just 'test: PASSED'
[02:05] <antiwire> Knightingale: pastebin us the output of smartctl -a /dev/XXX
[02:05] <Camarade_Tux> Knightingale, dive into SMART (sorry dive ;) )
[02:06] <Knightingale> antiwire, what would you be looking for from the output
[02:06] <antiwire> some key attributes
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[02:07] <antiwire> things like pending / reallocated sector count, offline uncorrectable count, load cycle count
[02:07] <dive> Camarade_Tux, I've dehilighted 'dive' now and just hilight 'dive,' and 'dive:' for that reason ;)
[02:07] <Camarade_Tux> dive, haha, lol ;p
[02:08] <Camarade_Tux> I have highlighted "ocaml", but I am also on #ocaml, generates quite a lot of false positives there ;p
[02:08] <Knightingale> output: http://codepad.org/50jRrsSm
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[02:08] <antiwire> wow
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[02:09] <Knightingale> antiwire?
[02:09] <knoxville> installing my very first slackware!!!
[02:10] <antiwire> the load cycle count isn't very high but there are some odd numbers for attributes on pastelines 59 and 69
[02:10] <jeev> congrats knoxville
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[02:11] <Knightingale> Reallocated_Sector_Ct is very high
[02:11] <antiwire> there are no pending sectors, load count is low to moderate, and offline uncorrectable is 0 which are all good, 59 and 69 don't look trustworthy
[02:11] <antiwire> there is a firmware or reporting problem is you ask me
[02:11] <antiwire> not uncommon
[02:12] <antiwire> SMART is a very loosely followed standard
[02:14] <antiwire> those numbers could mean something but they either could be using some vendor specific reporting method or the firmware just doesn't accurately report some of the programmed attributes
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[02:14] <jeev> lol
[02:14] <jeev> that's crazy
[02:14] <Knightingale> antiwire, i see. do all of these attributes cause the disk to fail if they are too high?
[02:14] <jeev> run -t long on it
[02:15] <jeev> you have more reallocated sectors than sectors.
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[02:15] <antiwire> Knightingale: jeev's has me on ignore so he didn't see what i typed.
[02:15] <jeev> Knightingale, you should smartctl -t short /dev/whateveritis
[02:15] <jeev> then smartctl /dev/whateveritis 2 minutes later to see what it says, then do same with long, long should take 93 min it says
[02:16] <Knightingale> ok i'll try.
[02:16] <antiwire> Knightingale: so ultimately you'd hope to see zero for lines 59, 69, 70, 71. lines 62 and 66 can be used as numbers to estimate life left based on the disk's specifications
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[02:17] <antiwire> keep in mind that line 62 and 66 may roll over after a certain number, also not closely followed across the industry
[02:20] <knoxville> how many partitions you reccomend for a fresh install
[02:20] <dive> knoxville, server or desktop?
[02:21] <knoxville> server
[02:21] <dive> I would just do / and swap but others will argue
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[02:22] <knoxville> dive, k thanks
[02:22] <dive> you can put /var too perhaps
[02:22] <tank-man> so what answer would you give if he said desktop
[02:22] <antiwire> Knightingale: if your disk is reporting Power_On_Hours accurately (~213 days of cumulative run time) and the Load_Cycle_Count of 578 is accurate I would say that your disk is looking fine. I am basing this off the possibly skewed output you have for smartctl and this http://193.128.183.41/home/v3__product.asp?pid=611&inf=fsp&wg=30
[02:22] <tank-man> same? :)
[02:22] <dive> + /home
[02:22] <antiwire> You could tune the disk with hdparm a little bit to limit the load cycling.
[02:23] <antiwire> Knightingale: "fine" as long as the other questionable attributes are just wrong ;)
[02:23] <dive> I use a /home partition for desktop but not bother for server
[02:24] <Hakudoshi> what if it's a webserver?
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[02:25] <dive> I guess it depends how much and size of files
[02:25] <t1ku5> siang all...........
[02:26] <knoxville_> for server should I just do a BASE LINUX SYSTEM?
[02:26] <Hakudoshi> it's up to you
[02:27] <knoxville_> I'm a virgin, what you recommend for educational
[02:27] <Hakudoshi> get a hooker or smthin
[02:27] <antiwire> for your first time i'd suggest a full install
[02:27] <dive> full install
[02:27] <Hakudoshi> Full install
[02:27] <knoxville_> even for server?
[02:27] <Hakudoshi> yes
[02:27] <antiwire> yes
[02:27] <dive> you can remove packages later
[02:27] <knoxville_> so just fill in all these checkboxes?
[02:27] <dive> when you know what you need
[02:28] <Hakudoshi> yes
[02:28] <knoxville_> thanks guys
[02:28] <Knightingale> i did the -t short and got the new -a output and Reallocated_Sector_Ct and Reallocated_Event_Count are still very high :/
[02:28] <Hakudoshi> tho you probably don't need kdei but maybe you do
[02:28] <dive> the defualt choices should be already set with full install
[02:28] <antiwire> Knightingale: it's most likely a reporting issue. i would fsck the filesystems and run badblocks and log any badblocks that are found so you can track the problem should it get worse
[02:29] <antiwire> Knightingale: it might be nothing though
[02:29] <dive> if you never want to use X then don't install any of those
[02:29] <dartmouth> oh mannn
[02:29] <knoxville_> Its in a VM so I'm sure this won't be my first install
[02:29] <Hakudoshi> Be brave
[02:29] <Hakudoshi> install it natively!
[02:29] <knoxville_> LOL
[02:29] <dartmouth> i just noticed one of my wisdom teeth is pushing one of my molars out; its like impacted or something
[02:29] <Knightingale> antiwire, i did a touch /etc/forcefsck this morning, is that what you mena
[02:29] <Knightingale> *mean.
[02:29] <knoxville_> Hakudoshi, too funny
[02:29] <antiwire> Knightingale: yes
[02:30] <knoxville_> Hakudoshi, I'm an Ubuntu user trying to get to know the darkside
[02:30] <Knightingale> didn't have any errors.
[02:30] <Hakudoshi> knoxville_, go see a dentist
[02:30] <antiwire> Knightingale: if you have the time you should badblocks test it with a boot disk
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[02:30] <dive> knoxville_, slackware is _NOT_ the darkside
[02:30] <antiwire> Knightingale: just to be cautious
[02:30] <Hakudoshi> knoxville_, oh you're going to use OS X?
[02:30] <dartmouth> slackware is like
[02:30] <dartmouth> the GRAYside
[02:30] <knoxville> No not using OS X, I just want to learn slack b4 I get knee deep
[02:30] <Hakudoshi> slackware is the light
[02:30] <dive> and ubuntu is the dimside
[02:30] <dartmouth> no its not.  lfs is the light
[02:31] <knoxville> I meant darkside in a good way cause it will be so addicting
[02:31] <Hakudoshi> ubuntu is close to the darkside
[02:31] <dartmouth> ubuntu is like the darkside's stupid cousin
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[02:31] <knoxville> well I hope to see the light soon!
[02:31] <nooper> sometimes, I think Bob would be an ubuntu user. with doing less work and all
[02:31] <dartmouth> nooper: that's just silly
[02:31] <Hakudoshi> MS Bob.....
[02:31] <dartmouth> do they call it slackbuntu?
[02:32] <dartmouth> no, they certainly don't.
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[02:32] <Hakudoshi> Bob has nothing to do with slack
[02:32] <knoxville> I'm scared, don't even know how to install a package
[02:32] <nooper> i cant see Bob recommending a geeky distro
[02:32] <dartmouth> bob seeks the slack.  and where there is not slack, there is frop, which leads to slack.
[02:32] <eviljames> surprise!  it's "installpkg"
[02:32] <eviljames> :D
[02:32] <dartmouth> nooper: hint:  SLACKware
[02:32] <knoxville> oh dady likes
[02:33] <knoxville> does that go out and look for it in repos?
[02:33] <eviljames> nope.
[02:33] <dive> nope
[02:33] <nooper> dartmouth: thanks man. never noticed
[02:33] <Hakudoshi> installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg
[02:33] <dartmouth> knoxville: use slackpkg for instralling packages
[02:33] <eviljames> that takes a tgz file and installs it.  getting it and sorting out what it depends on is up to you.
[02:33] <dive> knoxville, slackpkg does that though
[02:33] <antiwire> http://slackbasics.org/html/chap-pkgmgmt.html
[02:33] <dartmouth> if you need the remote-repo crap
[02:33] <Hakudoshi> txz and tgz
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[02:34] <knoxville> are packages specific to slack or are they source code?
[02:34] <Hakudoshi> binaries
[02:34] <dive> they are compiled
[02:34] <dive> for slack
[02:34] <eviljames> depends on what you want.  grab yourself .SlackBuild scripts and build your packages from source or not..
[02:34] <Hakudoshi> they are just gzip
[02:34] <dartmouth> less than for slack, they're compiled for that kernel, that system, those currently installed dependencies
[02:34] <Hakudoshi> or whatever they are now
[02:34] <antiwire> on slackware, for slackware by slackwarians
[02:34] <dive> knoxville, you might want to check out sbopkg.org too
[02:35] <Hakudoshi> xz
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[02:36] <Hakudoshi> so what will be the next slackware release number?
[02:36] <Hakudoshi> 13 or 12.3?
[02:36] <dive> knoxville, but it depends on how much extra stuff you need for a server - it already comes with lamp
[02:36] <Hakudoshi> err 14
[02:36] <antiwire> My money is on 13.0
[02:36] <Rat409> yup
[02:36] <dive> my money is on the bookcase
[02:36] <Hakudoshi> will he jump over the unlucky 13?
[02:36] <antiwire> yeah right
[02:36] <antiwire> this is Pat man
[02:36] <antiwire> there is no unlucky
[02:36] <dive> it's way too tempting to have a 13 imo
[02:37] <antiwire> exactly
[02:37] <dive> just to see what happens
[02:37] <knoxville> dive, comes with LAMP by default?
[02:38] <knoxville> isn't that kind of unsecure?
[02:38] <Hakudoshi> all our PCs will explode when we install Slackware 13
[02:38] <dive> why?
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[02:38] <dive> knoxville, you have to set it up still
[02:38] <knoxville> extra server processes running when most don't need them
[02:38] <knoxville> oh, they are not running by default
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[02:38] <Hakudoshi> knoxville, if you set it to start at boot
[02:38] <dive> knoxville, no not unless you choose to run it in service menu
[02:38] <knoxville> k, gotya
[02:39] <dive> or chmod +x things after
[02:39] <antiwire> knoxville: it is the job of the administrator to secure the system. Slackware ships with a set of services that are disabled for the most part but some things are running by default. you can look in /etc/rc.d/ to see
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[02:39] <The-Croupier> greetings and love from greece ;)
[02:40] <dive> morning
[02:40] <The-Croupier> hiya dive
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[02:40] <The-Croupier> hows your day?
[02:40] <dive> I woke up far too early with a hangover
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[02:41] <The-Croupier> dive, had a shower yet?
[02:41] <dive> but apart from that fine - how's yours ? ;)
[02:41] <dive> nah not yet
[02:41] <Rat409> night for me,now have fun guys,be well!
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[02:41] <The-Croupier> nice..i had a class with 12ppl and only one girl showed up...;)
[02:41] <firebird619> Hey The-Croupier. How are you?
[02:41] <Knightingale> antiwire, i'm just reading the spec sheet you posted and it says reliability '600,000 cycles', mine has only done 1696 which seems really low for the power on value. does that seem normal?
[02:41] <The-Croupier> firebird619, hey bro..im good yourself?
[02:42] <firebird619> The-Croupier: doing great, thanks. :)
[02:42] <firebird619> Just booted to the 2.6.29.3 kernel.
[02:42] <antiwire> Knightingale: yes, but like i said, the way the disk reports those attributes is not always accurate or reported in a truly cumulative way
[02:42] <The-Croupier> firebird619, nice
[02:42] <The-Croupier> hows that going?
[02:43] <firebird619> The-Croupier: good so far. I hadn't built it yet because the rt patch wasn't released right away with this one.
[02:43] <antiwire> Knightingale: it seems to me like you have a disk that doesn't utilize smart so well, at least not in a way that lets us use normal tools to diagnose anything. I suggest you try the fujitsu tools and see what they tell you about the disk
[02:43] <The-Croupier> firebird619, why is the rt so important?
[02:44] <dive> audio mixing/recording
[02:44] <antiwire> Knightingale: Seagate and Western Digital actually setup their disks to report SMART attributes in a way that is usable with tools that follow the standard
[02:44] <Knightingale> antiwire, i see. to help support that i just noticed i got 'Completed without error' for the last self test i did.
[02:44] <firebird619> dive: exactly. :)
[02:44] <antiwire> Knightingale: yeah, your disk is probably fine
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[02:45] <antiwire> Knightingale: if you're stressing about it, do a full badblocks test and log it.
[02:45] <Knightingale> well i just bought a lenovo laptop, didn't really have a choice in the drive.
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[02:45] <firebird619> not sure there's *drastic* improvements. From what I read, there's alot of people that don't think it's worth the hassle, yet there's others that swear by it.
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[02:45] <antiwire> Knightingale: yeah understandable
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[02:46] <Knightingale> just want to be able to predict when its time to get a new one so i'm less likley to loose my data again.
[02:47] <The-Croupier> antiwire, badblocks test...
[02:48] <The-Croupier> now that you mentioned it... any tools to check the hardware in general???
[02:48] <dive> I would invest in an external backup drive rather than rely on predictions
[02:48] <antiwire> Knightingale: you don't need to predict it. you need to have current backups.
[02:48] <The-Croupier> i really am kind of stressed for my little laptop...its been 2.3 years now and no problems :(
[02:48] <antiwire> dive: !
[02:49] <Knightingale> i backup important stuff to remote sites.
[02:49] <Knightingale> wouldn't bother with full stuff..
[02:49] <The-Croupier> Knightingale,?
[02:49] <The-Croupier> remote sites? like online facilities?
[02:49] <Hakudoshi> his porn collection
[02:50] <The-Croupier> that would be a nice backup :p
[02:50] <Knightingale> haha
[02:50] <The-Croupier> and usefull above all
[02:50] <antiwire> I do full system backups and store them on a fileserver with mirrored RAID. Then I also put a copy of the full backup into a firesafe designed for electronic equipment.
[02:50] <Knightingale> The-Croupier, website's. i use git repo's for my projects so its easy.
[02:50] <antiwire> If I loose or destroy my laptop all i need to worry about is the hardware
[02:51] <Knightingale> i like burning my porn collections to dvd's btw
[02:52] <The-Croupier> no need for details( i.e dont tell us what you do when you watch the collection...)
[02:52] <Knightingale> lol
[02:52] <antiwire> you know how the blanks come on a spindle?
[02:53] <Knightingale> yeh..
[02:53] <Knightingale> antiwire, why full backup tho when its easy to re-download and install the software.
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[02:54] <antiwire> because i can restore quicker that way
[02:54] <antiwire> all i have to do is reinstall the OS and apply my full backup to the root filesystem and I am fully operational
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[02:55] <The-Croupier> guys...any hardware check tools? any names at all..i could take it from there..;)
[02:55] <Knightingale> smartctl
[02:55] <antiwire> The-Croupier: for what hardware?
[02:55] <The-Croupier> computer hardware :p
[02:56] <antiwire> ...
[02:56] <The-Croupier> does it have to be specific..?
[02:56] <antiwire> well considering smartctl tests disks and memtest86 tests ram...ye
[02:56] <The-Croupier> i need for example to have a look at how my laptop hardware is behaving...
[02:56] <antiwire> yes
[02:56] <antiwire> ...
[02:56] <antiwire> come on.
[02:56] Channel flood from antiwire -- kicking
[02:56] <antiwire> seriously.
[02:56] antiwire kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
[02:56] <The-Croupier> ooops
[02:56] <dive> now see what you did
[02:57] <Knightingale> lol.
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[02:57] <The-Croupier> dive, he pissed slackboy off
[02:57] <antiwire> i feel much better now
[02:57] <The-Croupier> antiwire, lol you pissed him off bro
[02:57] <antiwire> yeah well
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[02:59] <antiwire> anyway, do you physically maintain the laptop? do you open it up once in a while to remove dust build up from inside the case?
[03:00] <The-Croupier> ooops, never done that..
[03:00] <antiwire> Aside from physically maintaining the laptop you could test the disk with smartctl and badblocks and you can test the ram with memtest86
[03:01] <The-Croupier> i see..;) that helps alot..gonna do that today
[03:01] <The-Croupier> ill open it up, and clean the inside ;)
[03:02] <antiwire> I usually replace the heatsink compound once a year too
[03:02] <dive> clean the fan, new heatsink compound will help too
[03:02] <antiwire> !
[03:02] <dive> antiwire, !
[03:02] <antiwire> ahhh
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[03:03] <dive> The-Croupier, which model laptop?
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[03:14] <The-Croupier> dive, acer 1500wlmi
[03:15] <dive> ok just wondered
[03:17] <antiwire> i'm learning php now
[03:22] <knoxville> php / mysql rocks!!
[03:24] <Urchlay> antiwire: it's not your first language, is it?
[03:24] <antiwire> Urchlay: yep
[03:24] <antiwire> well, a little bash
[03:24] <antiwire> i figured i'll work on html and php together
[03:24] <antiwire> then go to sql
[03:24] <Urchlay> ugh, bash is about the worst first language ever. If you made it through that, PHP will be a breeze
[03:25] <antiwire> well i can cope with bash
[03:25] <antiwire> barely
[03:25] <Urchlay> learn PHP and 2 or 3 other languages, come back to bash, and see how you like it...
[03:26] <antiwire> I'm going to focus on html/css/php/sql for a while and then look at ruby or perl
[03:26] <Urchlay> don't forget to learn non-web programming
[03:26] <Urchlay> but yeah, sounds like you've got a good plan
[03:27] <antiwire> the noobness is freaking me out
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[03:28] <Urchlay> web programming annoys me, you have to speak 4 or 5 languages at once
[03:29] <Urchlay> php/perl/java/whatever-your-app-uses, html, css, sql, and possibly javascript
[03:30] <antiwire> yeah this is a little daunting
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[03:33] <redtricycle> Urchlay: I get away with just knowing php, html, css, sql...
[03:33] <redtricycle> okay, I see your point
[03:33] <redtricycle> o_o
[03:33] <redtricycle> i was going to just type php and html...
[03:33] <redtricycle> but that'd be just a simple site =P
[03:34] <Urchlay> right
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[03:34] <Urchlay> invariably the customer will want some functionality that you can only do with JS
[03:35] <Urchlay> and without sql, you're pretty limited (I suppose you *could* use flat text files or berkeley DB...)
[03:36] <Shingoshi> firebird619: Go to bed!!
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[03:39] <firebird619> Shingoshi: Why, I'm not tired.
[03:39] <firebird619> :P
[03:39] <Shingoshi> lol
[03:39] <firebird619> It's only 02:33. I got about another half hour I'll be up yet.
[03:40] <Shingoshi> I'm not really tired either. But I have been cooking all day. And it's time to quit.
[03:40] <Shingoshi> The pot will continue to cook overnight, stewing in the juices.
[03:41] <Shingoshi> I cook 16 quarts at a time. Lasts me forever.
[03:41] <firebird619> wow
[03:42] <antiwire> what are you cooking?
[03:42] <Shingoshi> Red peppers, red cabbage, green peppers, red onions, mushrooms...
[03:42] <antiwire> because for a second i thought you were cooking weed
[03:42] <firebird619> haha
[03:43] <Shingoshi> Bok joy, carrots, etc.
[03:43] <firebird619> Whoa, intel fined $1.45 billion in AMD antitrust case.
[03:43] <Shingoshi> Yeah, I saw that yesterday. Good. Serves them right.
[03:44] <Shingoshi> I really have no respect for perpetrators of anti-trust.
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[03:45] <Shingoshi> antiwire: All of that was after I already cooked my Jalapeno Pepper Pork pot roast.
[03:47] <Shingoshi> Crock pots are wonderful. Cooked the pork for 8 hours.
[03:47] <Urchlay> 1.5 billion puts how much of a dent in the boatloads of money they made due to whatever antitrust thing it was that they did?
[03:47] <Shingoshi> Maybe not much. But it may discourage them from trying it again.
[03:47] <firebird619> heh, probably not much.
[03:48] <Urchlay> it may be they just considered it as a cost of doing business... I dunno
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[03:48] <Shingoshi> I wouldn't be surprised.
[03:48] <Shingoshi> Like Microsoft.
[03:48] <Shingoshi> European Union is always going after them.
[03:49] <nix_chix0r> dancedance
[03:49] Action: Shingoshi checks his food.
[03:50] <cmk_zzz> 1.5 billion is nothing compared to how much Intel should owe me working with their stupid processors! That should be per capita!
[03:50] <firebird619> hey nix_chix0r. How are you?
[03:50] <nix_chix0r> i'm soso
[03:51] <t1ku5_g0t> help me....
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[03:52] Action: cmk_zzz helps t1ku5_g0t
[03:52] Action: cmk_zzz is satifisfied. Excellent customer support. Again!
[03:52] <firebird619> haha
[03:52] <firebird619> t1ku5_g0t: helps if you say what you need help with.
[03:54] Action: Shingoshi hopes to get two of these soon:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105231
[03:56] <Urchlay> wonder if anyone's done any sort of research to find out what percentage of URLs in web pages are pointing to no-longer-existent destinations
[03:57] <cmk_zzz> Urchlay: no, but I have quite accurate information on how many leads to pron
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[03:57] <Urchlay> :)
[03:57] <Shingoshi> Urchlay: That would be a scary economic assessment.
[03:59] <cmk_zzz> the internet and money. The NZ government just spent NZ$3,000,000 on an event web site. Man, I could have done that for 1% of the price
[03:59] <Shingoshi> Money laudering!
[04:00] <Shingoshi> laundering
[04:00] <Urchlay> money laundering sucks. All those coins banging around in the dryer make a hell of a racket.
[04:00] <Shingoshi> LOL
[04:00] <Shingoshi> ROFLMAO
[04:01] <firebird619> hahaha
[04:01] <cmk_zzz> Urchlay: I guess your not the break-dancing type then? The beat is unbeatable!
[04:01] <firebird619> an unbeatable beat? :P
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[04:02] <Shingoshi> http://www.swissgroove.ch
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[04:02] <The-Croupier> you can not beat an unbeatable beat,cos it beats the beatles on their unbeatable beat
[04:03] <firebird619> lol
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[04:04] <nix_chix0r> bleh
[04:04] Action: Shingoshi is gone. Up again late this morning. Time to sleep.
[04:04] <firebird619> later Shingoshi
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[04:09] <knoxville> so why do you like the slack?
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[04:11] <Shingoshi> G'nite All!
[04:11] <antiwire> It's a sane base system that allows me to mold it into something that can play whatever roles I require.
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[04:11] <knoxville> this is not the os for the average newb is it?
[04:11] <cmk_zzz> knoxville: I like the fact that the upstream software is unchanged, no stupid modifictions, just the way it should be
[04:12] <antiwire> knoxville: not it's not
[04:12] <cmk_zzz> knoxville: It depends if you wanna learn or use
[04:12] <knoxville> cmk_zzz, what is upstream software?
[04:14] <cmk_zzz> knoxville: Most distribution change the software which are distributed with their distribution, so that it fits the distros philosohpy. Upstream software is the software that comes direct from the developers, unchanged. That is, you don't put any branding on GUIs or insert horrible bugs in openssh libraries
[04:14] <antiwire> upstream software is software that is included in a distribution but maintained by another, usually separated, project. People people maintaining the programs that end up in distributions are the upstream developers. Like the KDE project or the kernel or any other software that Slackware Inc. does not actually maintain.
[04:14] <knoxville> That is the coolest thing I've heard in a while, unchanged software, I love it!
[04:15] <cmk_zzz> knoxville: you really need to get our more!
[04:15] <firebird619> s/our/out
[04:15] <knoxville> I just lost my job 3 months ago, and haven't left my room since
[04:15] <firebird619> haha
[04:15] <cmk_zzz> firebird: Thank you
[04:15] <firebird619> yw
[04:16] <firebird619> Well, time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take Care. :)
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[04:16] <knoxville> I'm like carman in the WoW southpark episode      "Mom, bathroom!"
[04:16] <cmk_zzz> see ya!
[04:16] <firebird619> s/carman/cartman. :P
[04:16] <firebird619> later cmk_zzz
[04:16] <knoxville> lata
[04:17] <firebird619> later knoxville
[04:17] <firebird619> see ya antiwire
[04:17] <knoxville> lata firebird619
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[04:24] <knoxville> you know it would be kinda nice to have a display that shows how far the install is along
[04:25] <antiwire> you'll know when it's done when it asks you a question
[04:25] <knoxville> yeah I figured, I'm reading the maual
[04:28] <knoxville> !which
[04:29] <knoxville> will slack boot a GUI by default?
[04:29] <antiwire> no
[04:29] <knoxville> nice
[04:30] <Urchlay> knoxville: the installer isn't all that fancy because unlike some other OSes out there, you don't need to keep reinstalling it...
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[04:30] <knoxville> Urchlay, that is an awesome answer :)
[04:31] <Urchlay> am still a bit shocked when I see a windows install in progress... the installer actually shows you advertisements while it's running
[04:31] <Urchlay> (not a new thing either, win95 did it, and it shocked me back then too)
[04:31] <knoxville> Urchlay, LMAO!  Its true, its trying to sell you the product when you already own it
[04:32] <Urchlay> yeah. Reminds me of the ads you hear while you're on hold at a pizza place
[04:32] <Urchlay> like "Quit telling me this crap, I'm already *trying* to buy stuff from you, lemme place an order already dammit!"
[04:33] <knoxville> Urchlay, Pizza has to be like one of the mos loved foods
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[04:33] <Urchlay> it's great. All tbe food groups in one...
[04:33] <cmk_zzz> money rules, barabrabrabrabraa, money roles (in the washing machines) bararabrara. (There's that unbeatable beat again! HURRAY!)
[04:33] <knoxville> Papa Johns has to be like one of my favs
[04:33] <Urchlay> or anyway it can be (I suppose a meat lovers' doesn't include the fruit/veg group...)
[04:34] <Urchlay> knoxville: I worked for papa john's once as a delivery driver, for less than a day
[04:34] <Urchlay> the very first pizza I went to deliver, I was in a wreck and totalled my car :(
[04:35] <knoxville> ROFL!!! I'm sorry but that is funny
[04:35] <knoxville> were you ok?
[04:35] Action: cmk_zzz digs to dire straigh... money for nothing and chicks for free. bam bam, bara bam baram ba, ba ba, baram bam bam bam bam :|
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[04:38] <Urchlay> I was fine, but was without a car for a year after that
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[04:39] <Urchlay> (er, and, was without a job too)
[04:39] <Urchlay> cmk_zzz: now there's your unbeatable beat
[04:39] <cmk_zzz> urchlay: indeed. it's swinging man
[04:40] <Urchlay> "the sultans of swing"... wonder if they were ever a real band
[04:42] <cmk_zzz> yeah, I wouldn't mind watching guitar george with his fancy chords. Mark knopfler sure is great. Unfortunately I've never seem them live, my brother did though and for that I hate him
[04:42] <Urchlay> never got to see them live
[04:43] <Urchlay> seen videos... knopfler plays 100% fingerstyle, which is really cool
[04:44] <cmk_zzz> yeah. Man I could give both my hands to play like him:)
[04:44] <Urchlay> would be hard to play at all with no hands
[04:44] <cmk_zzz> hendrix made it
[04:44] <cmk_zzz> ;)
[04:45] <Urchlay> hendrix could probably play the guitar using only mind control
[04:45] <antiwire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PwpZQxV8XU
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[04:46] <cmk_zzz> on a seven stringer as well, if i'm not seeing double!
[04:46] <cmk_zzz> well turns out i am, heh
[04:47] <antiwire> 12
[04:47] <knoxville> I haven't even got slack fully installed but I know it rules just by the manual
[04:48] <knoxville> already learned things I didn't even know before
[04:48] <Urchlay> oh man, I used to have the video that 12-string blues was taken from
[04:49] <antiwire> it's insane
[04:49] <yosii> hendrix's work was mainly blues
[04:49] <Urchlay> I've tried to play blues on a 12-string... not easy
[04:49] <Urchlay> at least not if you include a lot of bends
[04:49] <cmk_zzz> knoxville: That is good. Usually it is a waste of time learning things you already know
[04:50] <knoxville> yeah I hear ya, but review never hurt no one
[04:51] <cmk_zzz> hendrix great, prefer guys like joe pass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFqiDcvRW2Y
[04:51] <antiwire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYS732zyYfU
[04:52] <cmk_zzz> yeah, good old clapton. he and mark knopfler played quite a lot together
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[04:52] <cmk_zzz> prefer when he was in cream though
[04:53] <Urchlay> ah, crap, there goes my IRC session
[04:53] <cmk_zzz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-1sq5dFD4 these guys have pretty good synchronisation
[04:54] <yosii> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez5izCf2DLI here you go
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[04:55] <Urchlay> 04:55 CTCP PING reply from cmk_zzz: 142.055 seconds
[04:55] <cmk_zzz> wow, 142.055 seconds. Man you didn't have to swin to new zealand to deliver that package
[04:55] <Urchlay> hm, down to 1.2 sec now, guess it was a momentary disturbance in the force
[04:56] <antiwire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aAdYpv7zE4
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[05:02] <Urchlay> antiwire: hey, that'd be great coding music
[05:02] <antiwire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Egz--4F24
[05:02] <antiwire> !
[05:02] <Urchlay> (have heard of kyuss before but somehow never managed to hear them)
[05:03] <antiwire> stoner rock
[05:03] <Urchlay> back when I was a stoner it was all cheesy metallica/anthrax/slayer
[05:03] <antiwire> Kyuss fixed this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mji0khX4-s
[05:03] <antiwire> lol
[05:04] <antiwire> that's how it should have been damn it
[05:04] <yosii> antiwire, sounds like 100 different bands i've heard
[05:04] <antiwire> yeah cool
[05:05] <Urchlay> that sabbath cover really sounds like sabbath
[05:06] <Urchlay> (well, it won't, once the guy starts singing I guess)
[05:06] <antiwire> listen to the original version after
[05:06] <antiwire> you'll want to stab your eyes out
[05:06] <Urchlay> wonder if I even have the original still
[05:07] <yosii> let me guess, this band is somewhere between kansas and illinois
[05:07] <antiwire> yeah cool
[05:08] <Urchlay> bleah, if I have the original sabbath version it's not here (perils of moving 4 times in 2 years, most of my crap is in storage)
[05:09] <yosii> same difference, f'ing cali
[05:09] <antiwire> yeah cool
[05:09] <yosii> antiwire, do you have to say 'yeah cool' after everything i say?
[05:09] <antiwire> ?
[05:10] <antiwire> all i see you saying is "blah blah blah" so i all i have to say to that is yeah cool
[05:11] <yosii> antiwire, it's starting to make you look like an idiot from where i'm sitting...if you don't know what i'm talking about or don't know how to respond...don't
[05:12] <chopp> yeah cool
[05:12] <reallove> yeah un-cool
[05:15] <nix_chix0r> damn baby wont wake up
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[05:17] <Urchlay>  /set blahblah ""  (or '') doesn't work, it gets set to the actual pair of quote marks
[05:18] <Urchlay> ahh, /set -clear blahblah
[05:20] <knoxville> the install is asking me what services to run on startup, do I need any of these other than syslogd, and sshd
[05:22] <yosii> knoxville, if you aren't going to connect remotely, you don't need sshd
[05:23] <yosii> knoxville, but if you will configure a printer, you will need cupsd
[05:23] <knoxville> its a server, I would like to ssh
[05:23] <yosii> knoxville, what kind of server are you going to run?
[05:23] <knoxville> was thinking about turning it into a honeypot
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[05:25] <yosii> knoxville, turn on apache
[05:26] <knoxville> why do you say that?
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[05:26] <yosii> knoxville, if you want it as a honeypot, let them think it's your webserver
[05:26] <yosii> or nfs
[05:26] <yosii> or samba
[05:26] <yosii> something to give them to look at
[05:26] <knoxville> I was thinking of running honeyd
[05:26] <yosii> knoxville, that works too
[05:27] <knoxville> its just an idea
[05:30] <Urchlay> whoa, honeyd is pretty cool
[05:31] <knoxville> yeah its pretty incredible from what I have read
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[05:34] <Zordrak> meh
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[05:34] <knoxville> Zordrak, oh yeah what do you suggest?
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[05:35] <Zordrak> Prozac for you?
[05:35] <knoxville> oh we got a funny guy here
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[05:40] <knoxville> have a good night / mourning all
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[05:42] <Zordrak> good golly miss molly
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[06:52] <Zordrak> Anyone looked at OpenVPN Access Server?
[06:57] <reallove> I havent't, since configuring openvpn (server & client) doesn't seem very difficult to me... but it looks like a good idea for a start with openvpn
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[07:41] <t0f> when i open a new xterm, how do i determine which '/dev/pts/??' it is?
[07:42] <dive> tty
[07:43] <t0f> ah. so simple, thanks dive
[07:43] <dive> np
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[08:01] <ferdl> hi, how can i change the colours of the tooltips (white on lightyellow) in gtk-programs (gimp, inkscape, xchat)? slackware 12.2 with some slacky.it-packages, no gnome
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[08:18] <The-Croupier> greetings
[08:20] <The-Croupier> why is it so quiet these days?
[08:23] <gyroscope> because everybody working on the new release
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[08:31] <Cann0n> hey
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[08:40] <The-Croupier> gyroscope, ohh coool one ;)
[08:41] <The-Croupier> so lets give them some more to work about shall we?
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[09:20] <Cann0n> hey
[09:20] <Camarade_Tux> I hate C++ !
[09:20] <Camarade_Tux> (yeah, once again)
[09:20] <Camarade_Tux> and hi everybody :)
[09:20] <hitest> hi Camarade_Tux:)
[09:21] <shyko> hi
[09:21] <Camarade_Tux> hi hitest, hi shyko, hi Cann0n :)
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[09:22] <ferdl> notice to my problem: change .kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0 in section: style "default" fg[NORMAL] = { 1.000, 1.000, 1.000 } to fg[NORMAL] = { 0.000, 0.000, 0.000 } -> changes color of tool-tips in readable black on yellow
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[09:29] <Camarade_Tux> http://medsgames.com/?p=147 ;p
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[09:34] <Zordrak> Just to re-iterate something i said in another channel to a wider audience:
[09:34] <Zordrak> FYI.. a 120mm fan in front of your HDDs can make up to a 10C difference! I couldnt believe how much of a diff it made
[09:34] <Zordrak> has given me a 10C drop with two boxes each in different locations
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[09:39] <agentc0re> well 80 to 120 is what, about 60% increase of CFM roughly?
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[09:42] <Camarade_Tux> note to self : pastas with meat, an egg and a steak all at once are too much
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[09:43] <Zordrak> agentc0re: 120 over nothing.. not meaning 120 over 80
[09:43] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, yum, tasty
[09:43] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp, but my stomach started to hurt at once
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[09:44] <agentc0re> 120mm versus the regular 80mm fans is what i was meaning.
[09:44] <Zordrak> indeed
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[10:23] <Kaapa> guys, anyone knows a shell app that shows me where my disk space is used?
[10:23] <xMDKx> df -h
[10:24] <Kaapa> I usually use jdiskreport, but this is a headless server, and I don't feel like digging with df
[10:24] <xMDKx> ah
[10:24] <BP{k}> try ncdu?
[10:24] <Kaapa> googleing
[10:24] <Kaapa> *googling
[10:25] <Camarade_Tux> du -hs *
[10:25] <Camarade_Tux> hsx even
[10:25] <acidkill> theres packages out there that make graphs and charts
[10:26] <acidkill> dig through sourceforge
[10:26] <Zordrak> treesize
[10:26] <Zordrak> in SBo
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[10:28] <Zordrak> hmm complains a lot, does a little
[10:30] <Zordrak> everything's an "invalid folder" (sic)
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[10:49] <hitest> greetings Shingoshi:)
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[10:54] <hitest> gtg
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[10:54] <hitest> later
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[10:57] <Shingoshi> hi
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[11:14] <Lostinsp4c3> hey guys I gotta quick question where can I read about doing the following!, I have 1 internet server with 3 network card 1 for the net 2 for 2 different networks! I don't want the server to do forwarding from one network to another usualy this is disabled by default no? but right now it's doing it! I'm a bit baffled
[11:15] <straterra> turn off ipv4 forwarding
[11:15] <straterra> and/or use iptables to block
[11:16] <Lostinsp4c3> the server shares the net for both networks
[11:16] <Lostinsp4c3> turning of ipv4 forwarding would kill their net access no?
[11:17] <Lostinsp4c3> echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/accept_redirects <-- ahh that seems to be what i'm gonna need?
[11:17] <straterra> try it
[11:17] <Lostinsp4c3> I'll read on it first lol
[11:17] <Lostinsp4c3> but wouldn't what you suggest cancel out the net sharing portion no?
[11:18] <Lostinsp4c3> isn't ip masquerading dependant on forwarding?
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[11:22] <Lostinsp4c3> stupid question on my end
[11:22] <Lostinsp4c3> my bad =)
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[11:41] <Zosma> Maybe it's time for a UPS :'( Stupid power outages.
[11:42] <straterra> or an electric style pokemon
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[11:43] <ttyX> is it me only or google is really having troubles today?
[11:43] <straterra> its you
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[11:44] <Camarade_Tux> ttyX, /me also has troubles with google
[11:44] <Zosma> ttyX: I had it earlier today... as in about 12 hours ago.
[11:44] <Camarade_Tux> hmm, slow but seems ok
[11:44] <ttyX> Gmail ain't workin either
[11:45] <Dominian> gmail is working
[11:45] <Camarade_Tux> gmail's awful here
[11:45] <Dominian> I'm in it right now
[11:45] <Camarade_Tux> I'm waiting for it right now
[11:45] <Zosma> Maybe some routing issues...
[11:48] <Camarade_Tux> let's fire ssh !
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[12:01] <dive> let's ssh fire!
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[12:05] <Camarade_Tux> ssh: connect to host fire port 22: No route to host =/
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[12:06] <dartmouth> is there a site somewhere that has examples of certain types of text encryption that are url friendly?
[12:06] <dartmouth> (for encryption -method- identification?)
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[12:09] <Camarade_Tux> haha, my request to google go to London, New York, Washington, Chicago, Denver, Seattle and reach some google server
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[12:09] <Camarade_Tux> so I wouldn't be surprised google actually has problems
[12:09] <Camarade_Tux> or had
[12:10] <dive> .com or .co.uk?
[12:10] <Camarade_Tux> .com
[12:10] <dive> you would be better off using .co.uk
[12:10] <dive> ?
[12:10] <dive> closer
[12:11] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, right, should try
[12:11] <dive> well so much for the job fair I went to today..
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[12:12] <dive> they were more interested in giving away free pens or charging £10 to give CV advice
[12:12] <dive> and the seminars were packed out
[12:12] <dive> I gave up and went home
[12:12] <eviljames> That sounds like the best way to get a job.
[12:14] <lf4> wow when was this? http://noobfarm.org/?id=1520
[12:14] <lf4> lol
[12:14] <lf4> morning everyone.
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[12:17] <dive> afternoon
[12:17] <beatzz> good morning all.
[12:17] <dive> aternoon
[12:18] <eviljames> gmail, why must you fail me so?
[12:20] <dive> works fine here
[12:20] <lf4> eviljames: how does gmail fail?
[12:20] <eviljames> lf4: I'm trying to create a filter, and it's hanging for me...
[12:21] <eviljames> All I want it to do is add a label everytime a message comes in from a mailing list!
[12:21] <lf4> oh that would be nice
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[12:21] <dive> I wonder what they use for spam filter
[12:21] <eviljames> lf4: I have at least a dozen already set, I'm just trying to make a new one...
[12:21] <lf4> do they support labeling filters?
[12:21] <eviljames> as it hangs miserably.
[12:22] <lf4> Oh interesting.
[12:22] <eviljames> I subscribe to a ton of mailing lists, each one gets labelled and removed from my inbox as it is delivered
[12:22] <eviljames> Then I can just check through my labels for which lists have new messages.
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[12:23] <eviljames> Well, I would be able to, if this web app didn't cradle balls.
[12:26] <Cann0n> lol all web apps fondle testies...
[12:26] <lf4> haha Cann0n so that explains a lot...
[12:27] <eviljames> fondle is such a dirty word.  Cradle sounds much more gentle.
[12:27] <dive> yeah it explains why eviljames's nuts hurt
[12:28] <lf4> dive: how would you know? did you make a cgi that cradled them to hard?
[12:28] <eviljames> Yeah, please be more careful next time.
[12:29] <Cann0n> eviljames: yeah... you are right... what about "tickles the taint"?
[12:29] <eviljames> LOVE IT
[12:29] <Cann0n> lol
[12:29] <Necos> >.>
[12:29] <Cann0n> photobucket used to be good until they started all that bullshit withweb apps
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[12:31] <beatzz> so 'slackpkg upgrade-all' is a very usefull command, that i should remember
[12:31] <lf4> beatzz: cd /; rm -r * is another one as well ;)
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[12:31] <Cann0n> lol
[12:32] <beatzz> yea..
[12:32] <dive> I made an accidental fork bomb yesterday
[12:32] <beatzz> :p
[12:32] <lf4> dive: what is a fork bomb?
[12:32] <Camarade_Tux> like 'all: make -C . all' ?
[12:32] <Camarade_Tux> (with a \n of course)
[12:32] <eviljames> hahah sweet
[12:32] <lf4> lol
[12:33] <eviljames> dive: It wasn't that :(){:|:&};: was it?
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[12:33] <Camarade_Tux> lf4, basically forking so many processes you kill your computer
[12:33] <eviljames> haha beatzz copy pasta'd
[12:33] <dive> a cron job was set to run a script but didn't seem to be working, so I checked ps ux and found there were almost a 100 instances or so
[12:33] <jeev> fork bomb is what happens when you have windows running more than 4 hours
[12:33] <Necos> lol
[12:34] <lf4> ahh thanks Camarade_Tux
[12:34] <eviljames> lf4: run my above collection of punctuation marks to see how it works and what it does.
[12:34] <lf4> jeev: really I thought it was 3.333333333 ;)
[12:34] <Cann0n> what about rm / \
[12:34] <jeev> i guess it depends.
[12:34] <eviljames> Note: I take no responsibility for what happens :D
[12:34] <Cann0n> jk. that wont work.
[12:35] <Cann0n> mv*
[12:35] <lf4> eviljames: lol I always man commands people give me before running them.
[12:35] <dive> man man
[12:35] <eviljames> lf4: A wise move.
[12:35] <eviljames> dive: man, man...
[12:35] <Cann0n> mv / \ && exec(eval(tickle_the_taint));
[12:35] <dive> now you have to do - man man man
[12:37] <eviljames> there's a frenchman in my office who opens and closes each sentence with that
[12:37] <eviljames> "man man man, you doing a goodjob man man?!"
[12:37] <lf4> obama is linux savy or at least people around him are... "inauguration speech ending prayer" ;)
[12:37] <eviljames> (goodjob said so quickly that it becomes one word)
[12:37] <dive> god
[12:37] <BP{k}> yes?
[12:37] <dive> or gob
[12:37] <lf4> eviljames: wouldnt that come out to goojab?
[12:37] <Cann0n> eviljames: is a goodjob the same as a blumpkin?
[12:37] <lf4> haha BP{k}
[12:37] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames, kick him for me please :)
[12:37] <dive> BP{k}, I said 'god' not 'sod'
[12:38] <lf4> oh lol
[12:38] <BP{k}> dive: that is why I responded. ;-)
[12:39] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: As soon as he runs out of fine cuban cigars, I'll consider it.
[12:39] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames, he :p
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[12:39] <BP{k}> eviljames: I see you understand priorities. ;-)
[12:39] <Camarade_Tux> man, man, man, opencv is really slow
[12:39] <Cann0n> lol
[12:39] <Camarade_Tux> or is it gstreamer ?
[12:39] <eviljames> nice -n -20 cuban_cigars.sh
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[12:40] <dive> #!/usr/bin/smake
[12:40] <dive> smoke even
[12:40] <dive> must be a snake of fire
[12:40] <Cann0n> thats scary.
[12:40] <eviljames> Ahh!!  Where's Harry Potter when you need him?
[12:41] Action: lf4 
[12:41] <Camarade_Tux> oh no, stupid me ><
[12:41] <dive> yeah especially if you have one end in your mouth while lighting the other end
[12:42] <lf4> dive: speaking from experiance?
[12:42] <dive> no I can't say I've ever smoked a snake
[12:42] <lf4> should live and try it ;)
[12:43] <eviljames> Hopefully, soon, my friend's snake will die.  Then we can BBQ it!
[12:43] <eviljames> I guess I shouldn't hope for the death of a beloved pet.
[12:43] <eviljames> Even if it does mean fine bbq...
[12:43] <dive> you ever had snake then?
[12:43] Action: Cann0n type /exec dd if=666 of=/dev/sda && echo 666 > /dev/sda
[12:43] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames, don't forget to keep its skin so you can smoke it :)
[12:43] <Cann0n> hey, who here has been inthearmy?
[12:43] <lf4> Cann0n: lol who is that aimed at?
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[12:44] <dive> if=666?
[12:44] <dive> if=/usr/bin/hell
[12:44] <dive> bs=666
[12:44] <Cann0n> lf4: just spitting it out. i know that will do some damage. once when i started linux many years ago, someone tricked me with that one
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[12:45] <RitualMast3r> hi all!
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[12:45] <twolf> hi
[12:45] <Cann0n> hey
[12:45] <lf4> lol we did a dd at work to the /dev/console at work the other day it was so funny to see
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[12:46] <Cann0n> netspliting! WOOOOOOOO!
[12:46] <RitualMast3r> anyonenow in which package artsdsp is included?
[12:46] <thrice`> probably "arts"
[12:46] <Cann0n> lol
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[12:47] <jeev> how could one justify paying $2500 for a mac laptop which the dell latitude identical is like 1100 ?
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[12:47] <jeev> latitude > *
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[12:47] <lf4> jeev: its a mac ;)
[12:47] <Cann0n> jeev: folks what that apple logo
[12:47] <thrice`> RitualMast3r: all files installed by packages are stored in /var/log/packages/ .  use grep to find the package (say, "grep artsdsp /var/log/packages/*")
[12:47] <Cann0n> s/what/want
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[12:48] <lf4> *tux bit an apple and throws it through a window*
[12:48] <jeev> heh
[12:48] <lf4> s/bit/bites
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[12:48] <Cann0n> lf4: i heard he threw a window at an apple...
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[12:49] <lf4> Cann0n: lol interesting
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[12:49] <eviljames> I heard that the window and the apple are increasingly pretending to be a penguin...
[12:49] <Cann0n> either way, slackware won all os battles back in 270BC
[12:49] <lf4> Cann0n: check your sources... it was 273BC
[12:50] <RitualMast3r> thrice` in arts package
[12:50] <Cann0n> eviljames: i heard that windows and apple just plane suck dick for processes
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[12:50] <thrice`> RitualMast3r: :)
[12:50] <Cann0n> lf4: thats wikipedia for ya!
[12:50] <RitualMast3r> Cann0n windows maybe? but mac... D:
[12:50] <eviljames> And the LORD came down from mountains in Minnesota State, providing on stone tablets the SOURCE.  And it was Slackware, and it was good.
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[12:50] <lf4> Cann0n: yep always rounding ;)
[12:50] <Cann0n> true... mac is pretty smooth...
[12:50] <Cann0n> eviljames: LOL!
[12:50] Action: lf4 wants a mac just to play with.
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[12:51] <dartmouth> md5 function in slackware base doesn't take a salt input?
[12:51] <dartmouth> what?
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[12:51] <Cann0n> my mom has a mac... id rather use windows than mac... and id rather join the peace core than both of those....
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[12:51] <lf4> dartmouth: nope salts are not good in large quantities.
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[12:52] <straterra> dartmouth: what?
[12:52] <eviljames> Cann0n: And let me guess, you'd rather be painfully circumcized with a rusty nail than join the peace corps?
[12:52] <Cann0n> eviljames: rusty spoon...
[12:52] <Cann0n> and yes.
[12:52] <dartmouth> straterra: i just read the manpage for the md5 utility and i couldn't find a switch to input a salt
[12:52] <lf4> hah i was going to say butter knife but spoon is better
[12:52] <Cann0n> lol
[12:52] <straterra> Uhm..
[12:53] <straterra> You input tack it on to what you are summing
[12:53] <straterra> -input
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[12:53] <straterra> salting isn't a hash specific thing
[12:53] <straterra> It's a concept
[12:54] <lf4> salting is to make better flavor :D
[12:54] <slackerII> hello, has anyone downloaded dvdrip from slackbuilds?
[12:54] <dartmouth> one that I totally don't understand ^_^
[12:54] <Cann0n> i have
[12:54] <lf4> slackerII: not i said lf4
[12:54] <Cann0n> slackerII: i have
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[12:54] <slackerII> hi Cann0n
[12:54] <Cann0n> slackerII: whats the problem with it?
[12:54] <slackerII> did it compile ok
[12:55] <beatzz> upon 'slackpkg upgrade-all' i was prompted about the new configuration files installed, and I put in an incorrect value and it defaulted to keeping old config files and letting me "deal with them later"
[12:55] <slackerII> i get errors
[12:55] <beatzz> what do i do?
[12:55] <Cann0n> beatzz: slackpkg update    first
[12:55] <beatzz> i did
[12:56] <beatzz> i did 'slackpkg update'
[12:56] <Cann0n> change the mirror.
[12:56] <beatzz> after uncommenting a mirror
[12:56] <Cann0n> are you sure you only have one uncommented?
[12:56] <beatzz> yes
[12:56] <beatzz> i only uncommented 1
[12:56] <slackerII> i get this error when i try to run dvdrip
[12:56] <slackerII> Can't locate Locale/TextDomain.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i486-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0
[12:57] <beatzz> 'slackpkg upgade-all' worked, it installed all the new packages
[12:57] <slackerII> it goes on for a few lines after that
[12:57] <Cann0n> did you install all the deps for it?
[12:57] <beatzz> but it wants me to do something with the config files
[12:57] <Cann0n> This requires transcode, perl-extutils-depends, perl-extutils-pkgconfig,
[12:57] <Cann0n> perl-glib, perl-cairo, perl-gtk2, perl-event, and perl-libintl
[12:57] <Cann0n> perl-extutils-depends, perl-extutils-pkgconfig,
[12:57] <Cann0n> you need all those
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[12:58] <slackerII> ok thanx Cann0n will see if they are all here
[12:59] <beatzz> What do you want (K/O/R/P)?
[12:59] <beatzz> o
[12:59] <beatzz> OK! Your choice is nothing! slackpkg will Keep the old files for you to
[12:59] <dive> beatzz, slackpkg new-config
[12:59] <beatzz> k i will try that
[12:59] <dive> man slackpkg would be a wise move too
[12:59] <beatzz> i read it over this morning
[12:59] <thrice`> beatzz: "O" ?
[13:00] <beatzz> O was to use the new config files'
[13:00] <thrice`> yes, did you correctly input it ?
[13:00] <beatzz> i dident capatilize my choice
[13:00] <dive> don't need to
[13:00] <beatzz> so it defulted
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[13:01] <beatzz> dive,  that gave me the question again, what do i pick?
[13:01] <beatzz> dive, K/O/R/P
[13:01] <dive> beatzz, I usually hit p and get a prompt for each one
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[13:02] <dive> then maybe diff it and decide to overwrite or remove
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[13:02] <beatzz> ok idid p
[13:02] <beatzz> dive, should i overwrite all?
[13:02] <dive> I wouldn't
[13:02] <beatzz> which ones should i overwrite :x
[13:02] <dive> it depends what they are
[13:03] <beatzz> /etc/modprobe.d/isapnp.new
[13:03] <dive> if you have configured any services you might want to overwrite
[13:03] <RitualMast3r> guys what about sound don't work on q3 engine?
[13:03] <RitualMast3r> :P
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[13:04] <beatzz> dive, i did all :x
[13:04] <dive> beatzz, if you have added any settings in any of the .new files you probably want to keep the old ones
[13:04] <dive> I mean the originals
[13:04] <beatzz> i havent
[13:04] <beatzz> k i should restart now
[13:04] <dive> why?
[13:05] <beatzz> thats what the guy posted on fourm
[13:05] <dive> did you install a new kernel package?
[13:05] <beatzz> no
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[13:05] <beatzz> just slackpkg-update
[13:05] <dive> udev/hal/dbus?
[13:05] <beatzz> slackpkg upgrade-all
[13:06] <beatzz> slackpkg -new-config
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[13:06] <beatzz> slackpkg new-config
[13:06] <dive> usually it's safe to restart services and log out and in again
[13:06] <beatzz> is all i have done to system todat
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[13:07] <beatzz> wifi still not working
[13:07] <beatzz> in wicd i scan, and find no AP's
[13:07] <eviljames> What about with the command line tools?
[13:07] <beatzz> id luv to learn them
[13:07] <dive> does iwconfig/ifconfig show your interface?
[13:07] <beatzz> yes
[13:07] <beatzz> iwconfig shows
[13:08] <eviljames> How about "iwlist wlan0 scan"
[13:08] <eviljames> Does that list any networks?
[13:08] <eviljames> (as root)
[13:08] <firebird619> hey eviljames
[13:08] <eviljames> hey firebird619, how goes it?
[13:09] <firebird619> it goes good, you?
[13:09] <compl3x> hey firebird619
[13:09] <firebird619> hey compl3x. How are you?
[13:09] <beatzz> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[13:09] <compl3x> firebird619: good buddy, you?
[13:09] <firebird619> doing good, thanks. :)
[13:09] <beatzz> eviljames, wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[13:09] <eviljames> firebird619: can't complain (at least not too loudly anyhow)
[13:09] <RitualMast3r> guys i got problem with q3 who have no sound
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[13:10] <dive> beatzz, which card do you have?
[13:10] <firebird619> compl3x: I think your conky is a better way to go. The one I have was sure draggin the system yesterday. I have to redo mine.
[13:11] <compl3x> firebird619: haha maan - want me to post my config ?
[13:11] <beatzz> dive, 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
[13:11] <dive> ugh
[13:11] <firebird619> compl3x: Nah, thank you though. I'm gonna work on remaking one.
[13:11] <beatzz> thats from lspci -nn
[13:11] <dive> crapcom
[13:12] <compl3x> firebird619: :)
[13:12] <beatzz> worked perfectly on kubunu
[13:12] <eviljames> I haven't configured wifi by hand in a long time, and even then I only did it a couple times before migrating to wicd
[13:12] <dive> sigh
[13:12] Action: SlackLnx hi \o
[13:12] <eviljames> But would ifconfig wlan0 up (or iwconfig wlan0 up) have anything to do with his not being able to scan for networks?
[13:12] <Dominian> no
[13:12] <dive> ifconfig wlan0 up
[13:13] <Camarade_Tux> who loves lollipops ? who loves beer ? who want a beer lollipop ? :D
[13:13] <beatzz> should i try that?
[13:13] <Dominian> iwlist wlan0 scan
[13:13] <dive> but it sounds like it is up
[13:13] <eviljames> Dominian: We tried that, a few lines above it says "Network is down"
[13:13] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: me please
[13:13] <dive> Dominian, 'doesn't support scanning'
[13:13] <eviljames> Dominian: mornin, dude btw :P
[13:13] <dive> driver problem?
[13:13] <Dominian> doh
[13:13] <eviljames> Dominian: Also, where do you host noobfarm?
[13:13] <Camarade_Tux> beer lollipop on the ceiling...
[13:13] <firebird619> Hey Camarade_Tux. How's it going?
[13:13] <dive> hi Dominian btw
[13:13] <firebird619> Hey Dominian, how are you?
[13:13] <Dominian> eviljames: VPS through cybertech int
[13:13] <firebird619> Hi dive, How are you?
[13:13] <Dominian> firebird619: good.. you?
[13:13] <Dominian> eviljames: Noobfarm will be moving at some point though.
[13:13] Action: eviljames writes down "don't buy from cybertech int" :D
[13:13] <dive> hi firebird619 fine thanks
[13:13] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, well, beer all over the room
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[13:14] <Dominian> to another VPS hpefully
[13:14] <beatzz> bash-3.1# ifconfig wlan0 up
[13:14] <beatzz> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[13:14] <beatzz> bash-3.1# iwconfig wlan0 up
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[13:14] <beatzz> iwconfig: unknown command "up"
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[13:14] <firebird619> Dominian: doing good, thanks. :)
[13:14] <eviljames> Dominian: Have you considered iweb ?
[13:14] <firebird619> haha
[13:14] <Dominian> eviljames: er.. no
[13:14] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: wow, really?
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[13:14] <Camarade_Tux> yeah !
[13:14] <eviljames> Dominian: No as in, you'd never consider them, or no as in, never heard of 'em?
[13:14] <firebird619> wb beatzz
[13:14] <dive> firebird619, tried that root-tail yet?
[13:14] <beatzz> sorry
[13:14] <Dominian> eviljames: will be hosting with acidchild :)
[13:14] <Dominian> eviljames: No as in both hehe
[13:14] <Dominian> eviljames: I like to have "control" over everything.. I'm picky that way
[13:14] <dive> you cannot do iwconfig iface up
[13:14] <Dominian> OOOO
[13:14] <Dominian> my scammer responded!
[13:14] <Dominian> wait one!
[13:14] <firebird619> dive: Nah, haven't yet. I'm gonna work more on this mail stuff first. I just have sendmail left and I should be done.
[13:14] <dive> doesn't support it - it's ifconfig
[13:15] <beatzz> dive, ok  so whats this error mean?
[13:15] <beatzz>  SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[13:15] <dive> well I think it's a driver problem
[13:15] <eviljames> Dominian: http://iweb.com/dedicated/budget-servers/ <- Core 2 duo w/ 1gb ram 160gb drive dedicated server (10TB traffic 10MB link) @ $99 / mo is hard to beat.
[13:16] <dive> but I'm not really familiar with broadcom cards
[13:16] <eviljames> Dominian: allegedly a physical machine, not VPS.
[13:16] <beatzz> i know it will work on linux
[13:16] <dive> used to use ndswrapper, then some driver support was put in kernel iirc
[13:16] <Cann0n> ndiswrapper :X
[13:16] <dive> yeah
[13:16] <beatzz> kubuntu r the same at heart
[13:17] <beatzz> and slack*
[13:17] <dive> at one time most broadcoms used it
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[13:17] <eviljames> beatzz: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network
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[13:17] <dive> beatzz, yes you just have to find the driver for it
[13:17] <Camarade_Tux> crap, the wall is completely dead
[13:18] <beatzz> ok, so find the driver for my card
[13:18] <beatzz> i know madwifi works on it
[13:18] <dive> beatzz, I believe ndiswrapper is on slackbuilds.org but afaik you also need the windows driver file (inf)
[13:18] <Camarade_Tux> driverpacks.net
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[13:18] <eviljames> beatzz: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:madwifi
[13:18] <dive> erm madwifi is for atheros not broadcom
[13:19] <compl3x> fail lol
[13:19] <dive> and anyway supported in-tree now
[13:19] <dive> ath5k/9k
[13:19] <beatzz> ok so no madwifi?
[13:19] <beatzz> i need to get ndiswrapper and the inf file for this card?
[13:19] <dive> does lsmod show which (f any) module is loaded for it now?
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[13:20] <beatzz> let me see
[13:21] <Dominian> eviljames: hrm
[13:21] <Camarade_Tux> so much wasted beer ='(
[13:21] <beatzz> what am i looking for dive?
[13:21] <Dominian> eviljames: I'll let acidchild know
[13:21] <beatzz> i dont see anything from lsmod that shows wlan0
[13:21] <Dominian> eviljames: the problem is.. that's metered.. to get "unmetered" cost 149 lol
[13:21] <eviljames> Dominian: Yeah, I'm going to be buying from them shortly.  If you get on the chat service they're so eager to close sales that they offer "upgrades" like RAID1 root, etc.
[13:22] <eviljames> haha big whoop!
[13:22] <dive> beatzz, can you pastebin the output of lsmod at www.pastebin.ca or somewhere?
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[13:22] <beatzz> yes i can
[13:22] <Dominian> eviljames: I don't have 149/m to spend ;P
[13:22] <eviljames> "metered" @ 10TB/mo isn't bad... unmetered would be better for sure, though.
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[13:23] <beatzz> dive, http://www.pastebin.ca/1422815
[13:23] <Camarade_Tux> well, if 10TB is more than the line permits...
[13:23] <Dominian> eviljames: We have to have unmetered
[13:24] <Dominian> he he..
[13:24] <Dominian> this scammer is a live one
[13:24] <dive> beatzz, ok you are using the b43 kernel module
[13:24] <eviljames> ahh
[13:24] <beatzz> sounds familure
[13:24] <Dominian> live meaning "emails me back very quickly" hehe
[13:24] <dive> which obviously doesn't work too well
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[13:25] <beatzz> so with wicd should i be able to scan wireless networks ans connect to them?
[13:25] <dive> my advice goto slackbuilds.org, grab the ndiswrapper
[13:25] <beatzz> ok
[13:26] <dive> beatzz, also grab the files here: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=broadcom&sv=12.2
[13:26] <dive> in fact to make it even easier, go to sbopkg.org grab sbopkg and install with that
[13:27] <beatzz> ??
[13:27] <beatzz> do i download the slackbuild file
[13:27] <beatzz> or the source file
[13:27] <compl3x> :/
[13:27] <rworkman> http://slackbuilds.org/howto/
[13:28] <firebird619> Hi rworkman. How are you?
[13:28] <rworkman> I'm here. :)
[13:29] <firebird619> :)
[13:29] <beatzz> ok im gana go install ndiswrapper
[13:29] <dive> Dominian, I wonder if you can get your scammer to get a church of slack tattoo on his forehead and get some pics for proof?
[13:29] <Dominian> hah not doing tats
[13:30] <Dominian> I am working on one to get a "Church of the Sub-genius" sign to prove who he is
[13:30] <dive> nice :)
[13:30] <Dominian> He's not biting at it yet.
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[13:31] <bhodgins> Hello
[13:31] <carlos__> nose como instalar php
[13:31] <firebird619> hello
[13:31] <dive> evening
[13:31] <carlos__> alguien me puede ayudar
[13:31] <firebird619> carlos__: english please. :)
[13:31] <Dominian> carlos__: /join #slackware-br
[13:31] <beatzz> dive, Cannot install ./ndiswrapper-1.54.tar.gz.tgz: package does not end in .tgz
[13:31] <rworkman> um, -es
[13:31] <rworkman> Dominian: that's spanish :)
[13:31] <bhodgins> make sure its downloaded all the way :)
[13:32] <Dominian> rworkman: either or
[13:32] <dive> beatzz, did you read the howto that rworkman posted above?
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[13:32] <beatzz> yesterday
[13:32] <thrice`> beatzz: RTFD
[13:32] <rworkman> beatzz: no, this one: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/
[13:33] <compl3x> im going to cry
[13:33] Action: firebird619 hands compl3x a tissue. :P
[13:33] <compl3x> cheers :p
[13:33] <yht> beatzz, or search the tgz  packages on linuxpackages.net
[13:33] <dive> erm no
[13:33] <firebird619> yht: no
[13:33] <BP{k}> yht: negative.
[13:34] <yht> ups
[13:34] <firebird619> Hey BP{k}. How are you?
[13:34] <Necos> heya firebird619, BP{k}, et al. ^_^
[13:35] <dive> evening
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[13:35] Action: Dominian slaps abby
[13:35] <BP{k}> firebird619: I'm all right.
[13:35] <Dominian> abby: You back from the sand yet?
[13:36] <RitualMast3r> dudes how to fix no sound in quake 3?
[13:36] <yht> wew.. there's no ndiswapper on linuxpackages?
[13:36] <rworkman> Play something else.
[13:36] <compl3x> RitualMast3r: How do you know the issue is even with quake 3 :|
[13:36] <yht> :doh:
[13:36] <Dominian> yht: stay away from lp.net
[13:37] <RitualMast3r> compl3x cus the game is using idtech3
[13:37] <Dominian> yht: go to slackbuilds.org and get the ndiswrapper build there
[13:37] <RitualMast3r> ops no q3 et :P
[13:37] <RitualMast3r> i mean et not q3
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[13:39] <yht> Dominian, why i have to? There's 'something' about them?
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[13:39] <beatzz> :/
[13:39] <beatzz> i read the how to
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[13:40] <beatzz> and tryed installing ndiswrapper
[13:40] <beatzz> and failed
[13:40] <beatzz> i did everything it said
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[13:40] <RitualMast3r> compl3x what about et with no sound?
[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, btw, my problem with opencv has been solved : I needed to configure it so it use gstreamer (with ffmpeg it wouldn't compile), /me happy :)
[13:41] <yht> :-\
[13:41] <credo> RitualMast3r: try ioquake3 q3 client
[13:41] <RitualMast3r> for et?
[13:41] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: Awesome [= - out of interest - what were you using it for? [=
[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, just a school project
[13:41] <RitualMast3r> :P nope cus PunkBuster isn't supported
[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> but the lib looks nice :)
[13:42] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: Your in school? - sorry but i imagined you to be 30-40 :p
[13:42] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, lol, why ?
[13:43] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: Im not sure why :p
[13:43] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: College, Uni- or highschool :S?
[13:43] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, hmmm, in France, I'm 21
[13:43] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, and I'll torture you until you speak ;)
[13:43] <dive> beatzz, did the package actually compile?
[13:44] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: ahhh cool - sorry if i offended you :)
[13:44] <dive> and get left in /tmp?
[13:44] <beatzz> i dont know
[13:44] <RitualMast3r> no matter i fix it :P
[13:44] <RitualMast3r> guys is /proc/asound/card0p/oss stored perm?
[13:45] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, no, you didn't at all, I really laughed ;)
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[13:45] <dive> beatzz, when you run the slackbuild script it will usually give some clue at the end of the output whether it was successful or errored out
[13:45] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: haha awesome- what sort of courses you doing at school? engineering/ software?..
[13:46] <dive> also 'ls /tmp' might help
[13:46] <beatzz> dive, bash-3.1# ./ndiswrapper.SlackBuild
[13:46] <beatzz> tar: /tmp/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-1.54.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[13:46] <beatzz> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[13:46] <compl3x> did you run it as root?
[13:46] <dive> beatzz, corrupted download
[13:46] <dive> down again
[13:46] <dive> download* again
[13:46] <dive> eh what
[13:47] <dive> no
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[13:47] <thrice`> beatzz: please.  read the document.  download the slackbuild tarball, extract it, enter the directory, download the source to that directory, and run the slackbuild
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[13:47] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, engineering in electronics/computer science
[13:47] Action: dive cleans his glasses
[13:47] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: Nice [= sounds awesome
[13:48] <beatzz> thrice`, thanks i will try it again
[13:48] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, but exam tomorrow ;p
[13:48] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: ouch - exam time aswell? :p
[13:48] <yht> beatzz, where you put the source *tar.gz?
[13:48] <dive> the source has to be in the same dir as the slackbuild
[13:48] <beatzz> in /tmp
[13:48] <beatzz> same as other one
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[13:49] <beatzz> i dident put source into the other dir
[13:49] <yht> move it in the same folder
[13:49] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, now, tell me more about you :)
[13:49] <compl3x> rtfm anyone?
[13:49] <thrice`> beatzz: just do it from your home directory
[13:49] <byteframe> Too Big Adjustment 32?
[13:50] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: haha- well im only 16- nearly 17- currently doing my gcse's in the united kingdom [= Im hoping to do electronics engineering in a couple years..
[13:51] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, he, I'd also thought you'd be older ;)
[13:51] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: a lot of people do lol
[13:52] <Camarade_Tux> now, are you allowed to drink yet ?
[13:52] <beatzz> i get the same error
[13:52] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: not legally- but doesn't stop anyone over here
[13:53] <DeeeeP> he buys in the supermarket for "daddy"
[13:54] <compl3x> heh - good luck buying it for anyone over here unless you have some form of ID
[13:54] <compl3x> or look over 25
[13:54] <dive> beatzz, when you untar the ndiswrapper.tar.gz it makes a ndiswrapper directory right? Did you move the ndiswrapper-1.54.tar.gz into that directory?
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[13:55] <beatzz> not yet but im doing it
[13:55] <dive> ...
[13:55] <beatzz> got a phone call
[13:55] <beatzz> ok i moved them to home folder too
[13:55] <Camarade_Tux> DeeeeP, yeah, and that's how he gets Playboy and Penthouse and Hustler and ...
[13:56] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: waist your money on that crap? - internet.. heh
[13:56] <DeeeeP> compl3x, so , how do u acquire alchool ?
[13:56] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, of course not
[13:56] <beatzz> ok ive untared the correctly
[13:56] <compl3x> DeeeeP: friends
[13:57] <beatzz> now make ndiswrapper.slackbuild executable?
[13:57] <compl3x> chmod +x ..
[13:57] <dive> if it isn't already yes
[13:57] <beatzz> i know how to do that one
[13:57] <compl3x> chmod +x ndiswrapper.SlackBuild
[13:57] <beatzz> :o
[13:57] <beatzz> working!
[13:58] <compl3x> nice :p
[13:58] <dive> are you root?
[13:58] <beatzz> yes
[13:58] <dive> good
[13:58] <beatzz> thank u so much
[13:58] <beatzz> now i know how to do that
[13:58] <dive> it will leave the package in /tmp
[13:58] <beatzz> same process for all new software?
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[13:59] <dive> so installpkg /tmp/ndiswrapper-x.x.x.tgz
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[13:59] <compl3x> beatzz: when thats done - cd /tmp  then installpkg ndiswrapper
[13:59] <compl3x> dive: yeah you said it - couldn't be arsed to type it :p
[13:59] <dive> beatzz, that's as far as my knowledge of ndiswrapper goes though
[14:00] <dive> actually using it I've no clue
[14:00] <beatzz> BohYah!
[14:00] <Camarade_Tux> ndiswrapper -i driver.inf
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[14:00] <DeeeeP> compl3x, i really dont know what is not to buy alchool
[14:00] <jeev> 04:07.0 SCSI storage controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. MV88SX6081 8-port SATA II PCI-X Controller (rev 09)
[14:00] <jeev> weeeeeee
[14:00] <dive> there are some b43 firmware files on sb.org too
[14:00] <Camarade_Tux> then ndiswrapper -l, ndiswrapper -la (and every possible l* switch)
[14:00] <Camarade_Tux> oh, and reboot or "modprobe ndiswrapper"
[14:00] <DeeeeP> anyway , i agree , u shouldnt drink with 16
[14:01] <dive> you might need firmware
[14:01] <beatzz> so where do i find this .inf file?
[14:01] <DeeeeP> in windows drivers
[14:01] <beatzz> any online resouces?
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[14:02] <Camarade_Tux> driverpacks.net (but it's biiiig)
[14:02] <DeeeeP> sure , visit the manufacture homepage and get win32 drv
[14:03] <DeeeeP> ( Might be an exe installer )
[14:03] <DeeeeP> :)
[14:03] <DeeeeP> so , i also sugest Camarade_Tux tip
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[14:04] <dive> well he went peacefully
[14:04] <Camarade_Tux> is ndiswrapper that instable ? :D
[14:04] <Cann0n> i like breast milk!
[14:04] <Camarade_Tux> *unstable
[14:05] <compl3x> trrollll :p
[14:05] <Cann0n> ndiswrapper sucks dude. i had to use it for my b43
[14:05] <DeeeeP> that was not a forced quit
[14:05] <Camarade_Tux> Cann0n, but b43xx sucks much more ;)
[14:05] <Camarade_Tux> and breast milk is not that great actually
[14:06] <Camarade_Tux> DeeeeP, or maybe that the card is already evil !
[14:06] <Cann0n> not the firmware dude. i got 30% more signal strength
[14:06] <dive> actually all milk comes from breats of one sort or other
[14:06] <dive> s/other/udder ;p
[14:06] <Cann0n> lol
[14:06] <DeeeeP> yeah lol
[14:06] <compl3x> dive: what other type of milk is there?
[14:06] <compl3x> other than guy milk
[14:06] <Camarade_Tux> b43xx would only do 11MB/s, ndiswrapper would do 54MB/s and worked accordingly better
[14:06] <Camarade_Tux> and faster
[14:07] <Cann0n> goat milk, cat milk, pig milk, soy milk...
[14:07] <dive> ah soy milk
[14:07] <dive> bloody awful
[14:07] <compl3x> dive: exactly
[14:07] <dive> went out with a veggie for a while
[14:07] <dive> god the stuff she ate..
[14:07] <Cann0n> Camarade_Tux: i dunno dude. i used ndiswrapper for many months until i finally got my hands on the firmware
[14:07] <compl3x> dive: they generally sleep weird also :p
[14:08] <dive> if it wern't like plastic it wa slike sponge
[14:08] <Cann0n> dive: im staying at a vegans house....
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[14:08] <koenigdmj> I'm trying to detect reboot loops caused by kernel panics with kernel.panic=(not zero). Is there any way to determine whether the last reboot was "clean" or from a kernel panic?
[14:08] <Cann0n> no animal products AT ALL
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[14:08] <compl3x> Cann0n: you should just drag a dead cow into the house haha
[14:08] <dive> Cann0n, I dare you to wake up in the middle of the night shouting 'PORK CHOPS'
[14:08] <Cann0n> ll
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[14:08] <Cann0n> LOL
[14:09] <compl3x> put a horse head in their bed like the mafia - that could be a laugh
[14:09] <dive> god I don't think I could stand it
[14:09] <Cann0n> she doesnt talk to her brother cuz he brought deer meat over... she wigged out!
[14:09] <DeeeeP> koenigdmj, dont know if command "last" can help
[14:09] <dive> man venison is nice
[14:09] <dive> man
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[14:09] <ttyX> compl3x, that was Godfather
[14:09] <Cann0n> dive: it's not that bad... unless you hate having green wet shits
[14:09] <compl3x> Cann0n: ha
[14:09] <compl3x> ttyX: so it was
[14:09] <dive> lol
[14:10] <Cann0n> lol it sucks... i miss steaks :(
[14:10] <compl3x> Cann0n: eat out?
[14:10] <Cann0n> too broke lol... plus i like cooking my own meats
[14:10] <DeeeeP> make a meat revolution on veggie house
[14:11] <Cann0n> hehe, someone lost a cow in my old neighborhood
[14:11] <compl3x> Cann0n: haha
[14:11] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, so, for when you grow older and buy beer, remember, beer is nice fresh/cold, but not too cold, especially, it's better not frozen
[14:11] <Cann0n> sign said "Lost Cow! Black Angus. Please call"
[14:12] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: just because im not "old enough" doesn't mean I don't enjoy a beer thanks :p
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[14:12] <Cann0n> compl3x: age?
[14:12] <DeeeeP> compl3x, drink wine, forget beer :p
[14:12] <Cann0n> brink moonshine! forget your eye sight!
[14:12] <compl3x> Cann0n: 16 -17 soon
[14:12] <Cann0n> s/brink/drink
[14:12] <Camarade_Tux> DeeeeP, drink wine and when you don't have any more, drink beer, swapping beer and wine works too ;p
[14:13] <Cann0n> compl3x: how soon? my bday is saturday :)
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[14:13] <compl3x> Cann0n: couple months - then i can drive finally
[14:13] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, that was for when you'll be drinking much more beer :D
[14:13] <DeeeeP> Camarade_Tux, be ready , always have 2 spare bottles :D
[14:13] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: heh tripped up a curb with a few bottles in my hand the other day - was in a&e covered in glass lol
[14:13] <Camarade_Tux> I don't have anything more, but I'm leaving tomorrow
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[14:13] <Cann0n> i quit drinking... they should legalize weed.
[14:13] <feindbild> hi :)
[14:13] <compl3x> hey feindbild
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[14:14] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, we had a ski week during the year, with the school, I took someone's bag, full of alcohol bottles, like 15kg :p
[14:14] <Camarade_Tux> (and I took others and they had at least as much)
[14:15] <Camarade_Tux> hi feindbild
[14:15] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: haha
[14:15] <Cann0n> man... i keep forgetting to run upgradepkg instead of installpkg.... sigh....
[14:16] <thrice`> alias somethign to upgradepkg --install-new  ;)
[14:16] <Cann0n> lol... that wont bugger up my system in the long run will it?
[14:17] <feindbild> is there any tool to get lots of information about an partition? cfdisk strangely shows Amoeba as FS Type for it, I tried mounting but mount says wrong fs type, I tried specifiying it but no luck ... the thing is I'm pretty sure theres an fs on there :/
[14:17] <thrice`> shouldn't.  the only reason you'd need installpkg is if you install multiple versions of the same package slotted onto your system
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[14:18] <Camarade_Tux> feindbild, is the partition possibly damaged ?
[14:18] <Lexus1> hi guys
[14:19] <beatzz> ok guys i found the .inf file!
[14:19] <beatzz> for my card
[14:19] <beatzz> bcmwl5.inf
[14:19] <feindbild> Camarade_Tux: well ... thats what I'm trying to find out :/ cfdisk also shows amoeba/unknown FS types for sda1/2, but they're in use and without any problem ...
[14:19] <firebird619> Lexus1: hello
[14:19] <beatzz> but when i click the download link it takes me to a page of code
[14:20] <Camarade_Tux> beatzz, a .inf is actually code
[14:20] <Camarade_Tux> just "save target as" or copy-paste
[14:21] <Camarade_Tux> feindbild, which type should it be ?
[14:21] <Camarade_Tux> hi Lexus1 :)
[14:21] <feindbild> Camarade_Tux: I pretty much only use reiserfs ... so thats what it should probably be
[14:21] <Lexus1> :)
[14:21] <Cann0n> thrice`: thought so. i was just double checking. im never sure of anything lol
[14:22] <Cann0n> feindbild: any reason why?
[14:22] <feindbild> Cann0n: reason for what?
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[14:22] <Cann0n> that you only use reiserfs
[14:22] <Camarade_Tux> I don't know reiserfs at all but I guess it has some admin/recover utilies, try reiser<TAB><TAB> and see what you get (but don't actually run anything)
[14:23] <beatzz> :x
[14:23] <beatzz> ok i copy/pasted the code to a new txt file i titled bcmwl5.inf
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[14:23] <Cann0n> lol
[14:23] <beatzz> then i did 'ndiswrapper -i bcmw15.inf'
[14:24] <feindbild> Cann0n: yes. ext3 is slow as hell, XFS I don't trust and the rest out there ... well ...
[14:24] <beatzz> and i get an error
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[14:25] <Cann0n> ext3 is fast enough for me! lol. i was just wondering. i dont trust that murdering fool Reiser...
[14:25] <beatzz> wait, it worked
[14:25] <Camarade_Tux> ext3 is fast enough until you try something else
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[14:25] <beatzz> root@5570Z:/home/sheep/Desktop# ndiswrapper -l
[14:25] <beatzz> bcmwl5 : invalid driver!
[14:26] <Cann0n> i fucking hate it here...
[14:26] <Cann0n> not in #slackware... just... where im at
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[14:27] <feindbild> Cann0n: oh well, I didn't come in here for a fs flamewar and the recent massive ext3 thread on lkml pretty much was about how everybody agrees on how bad ext3 performes ...
[14:27] <eviljames> antiwire: find anything about shipping?
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[14:28] <Cann0n> feindbild: i was just wondering. damn.
[14:28] <Cann0n> [X]
[14:28] <eviljames> feindbild: Why don't you trust xfs?
[14:29] <psychicist> what's the problem with XFS? I thought most corruption bugs were solved more than a year ago
[14:29] <beatzz> i give up for now.. :/
[14:29] <feindbild> eviljames: cause I lost data and friends of mine lost data or the whole fs ...
[14:30] <Cann0n> i have yet seen valid reason to use reiserfs... ive been using ext3 since it came out
[14:30] <beatzz> thanks for all the help all.
[14:30] <Cann0n> beatzz: broadcom?
[14:30] <eviljames> feindbild: Sudden powerdown data loss?
[14:30] <beatzz> yea
[14:30] <eviljames> Cann0n: reiser for filesystems of small text files.
[14:30] <feindbild> eviljames: in 1 case yes ... but that was when the whole fs was gone ...
[14:31] <eviljames> feindbild: Having used xfs for ages, I've never had an issue... ymmv of course :D
[14:31] Action: ananke never believes the claims of 'whole fs was gone'
[14:31] <eviljames> ananke: Wise move, because it's never gone.
[14:31] <beatzz> Cann0n, any ideas?
[14:31] <Cann0n> you know what the say about people with small text files dont ya?
[14:31] <ananke> seriously. whole fs will not vanish in a poof of a magic smoke. chances are you didn't know how to run the recovery utilities
[14:33] <feindbild> ananke: and chances are the recovery tools failed. whatever, like I said ... I didn't come in here for a fs flamewar ...
[14:33] <Cann0n> beatzz: i used b43-fwcutter and b43-firmware... then wicd to handle everything else. but many will agree thats inappropriate. teto.
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[14:34] <black_messiah> Hey just wondered, why slackware users desrespect everybody else?
[14:34] <beatzz> could u explain?
[14:34] <psychicist> the only real issue I know about and have experienced with XFS is that it used to overwrite files with zeroes a few years ago. I haven't seen that happen in quite some time but maybe there are other problems I'm not aware of
[14:34] <straterra> black_messiah: Troll more?
[14:34] <Cann0n> black_messiah: we dont.
[14:34] <black_messiah> :D
[14:34] <ananke> feindbild : 'chances are'? either they did fail, or they didn't. if you have hands-on experience with said crash, you would be able to tell us whether they did failr or not
[14:34] <black_messiah> the most of you do
[14:34] <straterra> black_messiah: so?
[14:34] <straterra> Are you the "be nice" police?
[14:34] <black_messiah> just wonderd why
[14:34] <black_messiah> no
[14:34] <straterra> Because most people are idiots
[14:34] <black_messiah> I am just curious
[14:34] <black_messiah> :D
[14:35] <black_messiah> yeah
[14:35] <nix_chix0r> black_messiah, because we sacrifice goats
[14:35] <black_messiah> me too
[14:35] <black_messiah> :)
[14:35] <Cann0n> black_messiah: why do noobs come in here and troll? :D /me puts on flame proof pants
[14:35] <straterra> Most people who get disrespected are unable to teach themselves or do anything for themselves and want to be spoonfed
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[14:35] <eviljames> black_messiah: The problem is that most people aren't smart enough to read, imho.
[14:35] <acidchild> hello nix_chix0r
[14:35] <nix_chix0r> hihi
[14:35] <black_messiah> no the problem I sow is
[14:35] <eviljames> black_messiah: If they don't read, they can expect flames.
[14:35] <acidchild> :)
[14:35] <firebird619> Hey nix_chix0r. How are you?
[14:35] <black_messiah> the most of slackware users
[14:35] <feindbild> ananke: no, I didn't have hands on experience on that crash. a friend did.
[14:35] <feindbild> oh boy
[14:35] <Cann0n> beatzz:
[14:35] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, exhauasted
[14:35] <black_messiah> says everybody ! using slackware is an idiot
[14:36] <beatzz> Cann0n, yes?
[14:36] <straterra> err what?
[14:36] <Cann0n> beatzz: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=b43
[14:36] <Cann0n> sorry... middle click fail
[14:36] <eviljames> black_messiah: Is English your first language?
[14:36] <black_messiah> no it is not
[14:36] <nix_chix0r> i'm contemplating getting back on anxiety meds lol
[14:36] <Cann0n> black_messiah: what distro are you most familiar with?
[14:36] <eviljames> black_messiah: Because the trolling isn't working too well at the moment.
[14:36] <eviljames> ahhh
[14:36] <beatzz> Cann0n, i have all of thoses
[14:36] <eviljames> black_messiah: Gotcha.
[14:36] <chopp> black_messiah: welcome to the *list*
[14:36] <acidchild> Dominian: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grsecurity_patchset
[14:36] <beatzz> Cann0n, i downloaded them earler
[14:37] <nix_chix0r> it's either that or become an alcoholic
[14:37] <black_messiah> <Cann0n>, I do not use linux
[14:37] <black_messiah> :D
[14:37] <Cann0n> read the readme's that came with them
[14:37] <Cann0n> black_messiah: then why are you in here?
[14:37] <black_messiah> but just to answer the question
[14:37] <beatzz> on it :)
[14:37] <black_messiah> hmm
[14:37] <black_messiah> I don't realy know, there are so many of them
[14:37] <eviljames> I wonder if there's a #failure_at_life to direct people towards?
[14:38] <nooper> nix_chix0r: you dont like anxiety meds?
[14:38] <black_messiah> Cann0n, there isn't anything written about ppl being stupid
[14:38] <antiwire> eviljames: I haven't yet
[14:38] Action: Cann0n directs black_messiah to #failure_at_life
[14:38] <black_messiah> 10x for the info :D
[14:38] <antiwire> black_messiah: says what to be having you do?
[14:38] <antiwire> you have?
[14:39] <nix_chix0r> nooper, they had me on xanax and it was fine for about 4months and then i think i built up a high tolorance to them
[14:39] <nooper> ah
[14:39] <nix_chix0r> stopped taking it when i was pregnant and i'm just nghg way out of my element and i just got back into the job world from being at home for 9months
[14:39] <Dominian> acidchild: oooo
[14:40] <Cann0n> nix_chix0r: how are you?
[14:40] <eviljames> antiwire: how to be using ship for install then serial?
[14:40] <black_messiah> The funniest thing I hear is the meaning of the word ubuntu
[14:40] <acidchild> Dominian: :)
[14:40] <black_messiah> it means: I am to stupid to use Slackware
[14:40] <black_messiah> :D
[14:40] <antiwire> lmao
[14:40] <Dominian> acidchild: So arch linux supports grsecurity out of the gate ?
[14:40] <antiwire> black_messiah: yes, yes it does
[14:40] <acidchild> Dominian: interesting run down of things
[14:40] <jeev> black_messiah, you're not stupid. give it a shot
[14:40] <Cann0n> beatzz: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[14:40] <acidchild> Dominian: no.. i think its in aur
[14:40] <Dominian> ahhh
[14:40] <nix_chix0r> Cann0n, i just dont feel like myself lately
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[14:40] <eviljames> acidchild: Did you find your erb?
[14:40] <Dominian> acidchild: Well, I'm bookmarking that
[14:40] <Dominian> good information
[14:41] <acidchild> eviljames: aye
[14:41] <Cann0n> nix_chix0r: why not? doing thrugh that post pardem deression?
[14:41] <eviljames> nix_chix0r: Feeling a touch of post-partum?
[14:41] <eviljames> jinx!
[14:41] <acidchild> need it more than ever today ;/
[14:41] <eviljames> Cann0n: you owe me a coke.
[14:41] <Cann0n> lol i dunno how its spelled...
[14:41] <nix_chix0r> i dont know if it is that or not
[14:41] <eviljames> acidchild: muaahahah I have a delivery slated for tomorrow... it will be glorious.
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[14:41] <nix_chix0r> i'm fine some days but not enough
[14:41] <beatzz> very overwhelmed at all of this
[14:41] <Dominian> acidchild: how'd the "negotiations" go?
[14:41] <firebird619> Cann0n: postpartum depression
[14:41] <eviljames> *SNOOOOORRRTTTT*
[14:41] <beatzz> need to take a break
[14:42] <eviljames> ahhhhhhh
[14:42] <acidchild> Dominian: i dont care today
[14:42] <beatzz> thanks for help all.
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[14:42] <Cann0n> thats it. i never saw the word written before
[14:42] <acidchild> i crushed my fingers under a slate pool table top last night
[14:42] <acidchild> my fingers are fucked
[14:42] <Cann0n> eviljames: lol
[14:42] <firebird619> acidchild: ouch
[14:42] <slava_dp> so how do i upgrade to the latest -current, it's all in txz. slackpkg prompts me to reinstall the whole system.
[14:42] <acidchild> -sigh-
[14:42] <acidchild> karma
[14:43] <Cann0n> nix_chix0r: if it makes you feel any better, im living in a bird sanctuary right now...
[14:43] <firebird619> acidchild: break any fingers? :D
[14:43] <nix_chix0r> he doesnt seem to think i should see a doctor he just thinks i'm hormonal
[14:43] <black_messiah> <slava_dp>, there is no easy way to upgrade slackware
[14:43] <black_messiah> :D
[14:43] <Dominian> acidchild: that sucks
[14:43] <acidchild> firebird619: took alot of flesh off and probly all my finger nails are gonna fall off
[14:43] <acidchild> heh
[14:44] <Cann0n> slava_dp: back up your stuff first! i upgraded from 12.1 to 12.2 and... lost everything for some reason...
[14:44] <acidchild> i got 4 fingers that work
[14:44] <firebird619> wow, that sucks.
[14:44] <eviljames> acidchild: That SUCKS dude.
[14:44] <acidchild> -sigh-
[14:44] <black_messiah> Cann0n, you lost everything
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[14:44] <slava_dp> Cann0n, i'm upgrading from the -current from two weeks ago to the latest one.
[14:44] <Cann0n> acidchild: damn dude. that makes my hands hurt
[14:44] <acidchild> i'm gonna go get an xray later
[14:45] <antiwire> slava_dp: just upgrade normally
[14:45] <black_messiah> I tough slackware hackers, always know what they r doing
[14:45] <black_messiah> :D :D
[14:45] <compl3x> slava_dp: upgrade normally and then upgrade again
[14:45] <Cann0n> slava_dp: dunno. i avoid -current. it should be the regular way
[14:45] <alienBOB> slava_dp: first upgrade slackpkg, tar, xz and then run "slackkg update" again
[14:45] <firebird619> Hello alienBOB. How's it going?
[14:45] <slava_dp> alienBOB, thanks.
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[14:45] <black_messiah> Cann0n, you lost everything?
[14:45] <black_messiah> I tough slackware hackers, always know what they r doing
[14:46] <Cann0n> black_messiah: i NEVER know what im doing and ive been on slackware 10 years or so.
[14:46] <black_messiah> :D
[14:46] <black_messiah> lol.
[14:46] <firebird619> what's an equivalent to hddtemp to get hdd temperatures?
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[14:46] <antiwire> can someone ban this guy already, it's going nowhere
[14:46] <chopp> black_messiah your future looks bleak
[14:46] <acidchild> firebird619: cat /proc/
[14:46] <firebird619> acidchild: ok, thanks.
[14:46] <black_messiah> I quit
[14:46] <Cann0n> no, i did it right... but i tweak a lot of my shit and forget... and it just ended up being messy
[14:46] <black_messiah> :D
[14:46] <acidchild> firebird619: cat /proc/acpi/...
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[14:46] <firebird619> acidchild: you seem to be typing well with smashed fingers. :P
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[14:47] <Cann0n> chopp: LOL!
[14:47] <acidchild> 3 fingers work, but irc is a lot if effort
[14:47] <firebird619> I bet
[14:47] <Cann0n> try switching to one handed dvorak keymap
[14:47] <acidchild> i was gonna movw office today too heh
[14:47] <firebird619> The worse I've ever done to my hands is broke my pinky finger.
[14:48] <acidchild> =)
[14:48] <acidchild> just wrong point in time for this
[14:48] <Cann0n> firebird619: i was playing with scissors once... cut my pointer to the bone on both sides
[14:48] <nix_chix0r> if my work let me smoke weed at my desk i would be fine haha
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[14:48] <firebird619> Cann0n: ouch, bet that hurt.
[14:48] <Cann0n> nix_chix0r: lol do it anyways... just to see what they do
[14:49] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: come over
[14:49] <acidchild> smoke :>
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[14:49] <Cann0n> firebird619: actually it didnt hurt until the stitches
[14:49] <jeev> i want to hijack dns at my offices
[14:49] <jeev> and earn adsense bux
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[14:49] <nix_chix0r> lul
[14:49] <jeev> heh
[14:49] <lw0x15_> lmao
[14:49] <acidchild> jeev: cleva
[14:49] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15
[14:49] <firebird619> I was a little and got my finger slammed in a door in the house. One of those big heavy, solid friggen wooden doors.
[14:49] <Cann0n> jeev: beat yourself up and blame it on the boss like in fight club
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[14:50] <jeev> haa
[14:50] <Cann0n> firebird619: ouch! i saw that happen to a kid once in HS... wasnt pretty
[14:50] <nix_chix0r> Cann0n, i could just do it on my break
[14:50] <nix_chix0r> no one is there at night
[14:50] <nix_chix0r> just huby and myself
[14:50] <jeev> i want to do it with tinydns ;D
[14:51] <Cann0n> nix_chix0r: thats gay... how do they think shit will get done while you and him smoke and make boom-boom all night?
[14:51] <Cann0n> i want a job like that
[14:51] <firebird619> Cann0n: yeah, I had to wear a cast for a while, but all is well now. :)
[14:51] <nix_chix0r> hahahaha
[14:51] <firebird619> Cann0n: hahaha
[14:52] <nix_chix0r> Cann0n, we get our work done like right away. and kinda blow the rest of the evening off
[14:52] <Cann0n> uh huh... employee sex is forbidden.
[14:52] <nix_chix0r> all i have to do when i go in is a few appointments over the phone, and set up meetings with the reps for clients and update their files
[14:52] <firebird619> acidchild: I don't have acpi in /proc. Am I not able to check hdd temps then?
[14:53] <nix_chix0r> rest of the night i sit and organize medical records
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[14:53] <slackerII> howsit goaty
[14:53] <Dominian> acidchild: can you clap for me?
[14:53] <Cann0n> firebird619: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM   firebird619
[14:53] <goaty> hey slacker
[14:53] <acidchild> stfu matt
[14:53] <Dominian> hehe
[14:53] <Cann0n> slackerII: get it working?
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[14:54] <firebird619> Cann0n: Ahh, I have /proc/thermal_zone
[14:54] <Dominian> acidchild: I had to throw it out there
[14:54] <acidchild> firebird619: nothing in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone ?
[14:54] <slackerII> mmm not yet a few more dependancies i think
[14:54] <acidchild> lm_sensors..
[14:54] <firebird619> acidchild: I don't have an acpi dir at all.
[14:54] <slackerII> had a problem with libx264
[14:54] <acidchild> O.o
[14:54] <firebird619> I do have a /proc/thermal_zone though.
[14:54] <Cann0n> temperature:             68 C
[14:54] <Dominian> slackerII: slackbuilds.org
[14:54] <Cann0n>  /exec -o cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
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[14:55] <firebird619> but /proc/thermal_zone is empty
[14:55] <Cann0n> then you out of luck lol
[14:55] <Cann0n> this is the first machine i have temp on
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[14:55] <mth_> hi all
[14:55] Nick change: mth_ -> mth__
[14:55] <goaty> slack u getting tht file ?
[14:56] <acidchild> firebird619:
[14:56] <acidchild> [root@cid ~]# sensor
[14:56] <acidchild> sensord               sensors               sensors-conf-convert  sensors-detect
[14:56] <acidchild> sensors-detect <-- like alsaconf i guess but for temp
[14:56] <slava_dp> i upgraded slackpkg, tar and xz and it still prompts me to upgrade every single package installed. alienBOB, is that normal or did i miss something?
[14:56] <slackerII> Cann0n,  thanx had a problem with libx264
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[14:57] <Cann0n> nrp. i personally like acidrip
[14:57] <Cann0n> s/nrp/np
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[14:57] <Cann0n> i dont like how dvd::rip does that sessions bullshit
[14:58] <firebird619> acidchild: command not found: sensor
[14:58] <acidchild> firebird619: sensors-detect
[14:58] <acidchild> as root
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[15:00] <slava_dp> firebird619, you can check hdd temp using smartctl.
[15:00] <acidchild> bah
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[15:01] <jeev> damn
[15:01] <jeev> what do i read to hijack dns!
[15:01] <slava_dp> well on my system `sensors` shows everything except hdd temp, while smartctl does show it (obviously)
[15:02] <Cann0n> lol
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[15:02] <black_messiah> i found a bug in rm
[15:02] <black_messiah> it is possible to delete your root folder
[15:02] <black_messiah> with rm -rf /
[15:02] <black_messiah> that shoud not bee allowed
[15:02] <firebird619> acidchild: Ok, it has yes for SPD EEPROM and SMSC LPC47M172 Super IO Fan Sensors
[15:03] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@70.171.94.246) got lost in the net-split.
[15:03] <acidchild> better than nothing :]
[15:03] <firebird619> black_messiah: I don't view that as a bug.
[15:03] <antiwire> black_messiah: you're really not so good at this are you?
[15:03] <Cann0n> black_messiah: you just showed your.... skill level.
[15:03] <firebird619> Cann0n: indeed he did.
[15:03] <black_messiah> hmm
[15:03] <black_messiah> the next time I'll prepare better
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[15:03] <slava_dp> black_messiah, anything is allowed. the tao of unix :)
[15:04] <black_messiah> slava
[15:04] <straterra> black_messiah: why are you still here trolling?
[15:04] <agentc0re|work> Anyone in here that remember playing Everquest 1?  Remember how you could lose levels?
[15:04] <black_messiah> I am just trying to say something funny
[15:04] <firebird619> acidchild: yeah. I have a new hdd, but not all have a temp sensor. :)
[15:04] <black_messiah> and to have some fun
[15:04] <agentc0re|work> black_messiah: Maybe go have fun in #ubuntu
[15:04] <black_messiah> straterra, I am bored
[15:04] <straterra> rworkman, Alan_Hicks, alienBOB: ping
[15:04] <black_messiah> I'll try it
[15:04] <firebird619> acidchild: at least I can monitor fan speeds. :)
[15:04] <black_messiah> :)
[15:04] <antiwire> black_messiah: It's not funny. It makes you look like an idiot.
[15:04] <black_messiah> ubutu users will be more easy to mess with
[15:04] <chopp> black_messiah: you realize that posting harmfull commands in here is going to get your sorry ass skidded right?
[15:04] <Cann0n> black_messiah: dd if=linux of=/dev/sda
[15:04] <agentc0re|work> black_messiah: They sure will be, so /part
[15:04] <straterra> more easy
[15:05] <Cann0n> try that one.
[15:05] <firebird619> haha
[15:05] <compl3x> haha
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[15:05] <slava_dp> bah. cat /dev/head > /dev/ass ...
[15:05] <compl3x> slava_dp: haha
[15:06] Action: agentc0re|work still is waiting to see "black_messiah left the room ("I am a newb troller").
[15:06] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp, lol, good one ;)
[15:06] <Cann0n> lol  or :(){:|:&};:
[15:06] <firebird619> acidchild:  no driver for SMSC LPC47M172 Super IO Fan Sensors yet
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[15:07] <acidchild> :<
[15:07] <firebird619> acidchild: I am doomed huh. :P
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[15:07] <agentc0re|work> lol
[15:07] <antiwire> he can't even troll.
[15:07] <agentc0re|work> He really went in #ubuntu
[15:08] <antiwire> What a sad sad person.
[15:09] <antiwire> http://tinyurl.com/93o8ry
[15:09] <firebird619> lol
[15:09] <agentc0re|work> Hahah, i joined #ubuntu as he tried to ask where he needs to report that bug.
[15:09] <firebird619> haha
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[15:09] <agentc0re|work> their bot started to spit out warnings.
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[15:09] <agentc0re|work> DON'T RUN THIS COMMAND!!!
[15:09] <agentc0re|work> lol
[15:10] <antiwire> lol
[15:10] <slava_dp> lol
[15:10] <Camarade_Tux> we should hijack the bot to make it output "RUN THIS COMMAND !!!"
[15:10] <agentc0re|work> haha, he just pm'd me.
[15:11] <firebird619> agentc0re|work: what'd he say?
[15:11] <agentc0re|work> I'll pastebin it here in a minute.
[15:11] Action: chopp points at black_messiah and laughs. Are you the result of incest?
[15:11] <firebird619> haha
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[15:12] <firebird619> probably
[15:12] <firebird619> or he was dropped on his head
[15:12] <firebird619> and never recovered.
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[15:14] <firebird619> how's it going chopp?
[15:15] <jeev> i dunno where to begin to respond to non-existant domains
[15:15] <chopp> firebird619: thought I'd be back at work by now, but other than that just duckie
[15:16] <firebird619> nice. I'm just reconfiguring conky, it was draggin the system to much. I had to much stuff. :P
[15:17] <black_messiah> <firebird619>, conky was slowing down your system?
[15:17] <firebird619> yup, sure was.
[15:17] Action: slava_dp checked and slackpkg is fine. it's just that so many packages got updated in -current that i thought it's gonna reinstall all the system. *telinit 3*
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[15:18] <black_messiah> firebird619, what system do you own?
[15:19] <firebird619> Linux slackware 2.6.29.3-rt13-smp #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu May 14 00:39:14 CDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[15:19] <black_messiah> firebird619, I think you need to buy a new one
[15:20] <agentc0re|work> Don't feed into him firebird619.
[15:20] <agentc0re|work> firebird619: http://pastebin.com/d67700237
[15:21] <chopp> firebird619: I noticed lastnight you grabbed dive's root-tail script. I used to use root-tail for displaying /var/log/messages to keep an eye on the ssh bruteforce attempts. :P
[15:21] <firebird619> agentc0re|work: haha, what the.... :P
[15:21] <agentc0re|work> :D
[15:22] <alienBOB> You should've kept that to yourself agentc0re
[15:22] <agentc0re|work> I am a racist..
[15:22] <agentc0re|work> against trolls
[15:22] <firebird619> chopp: yeah, I haven't tried it yet, but will after a while. I'm trimming conky down and working on getting my mail stuff working.
[15:23] <firebird619> chopp: that would be a good idea though to monitor /var/log/messages.
[15:23] <black_messiah> agentc0re|work, this sucked!
[15:23] <firebird619> chopp: and, I'm back to the musical note's wallpaper, it just fits better.
[15:24] <chopp> firebird619: from an old .fluxbox/startup  /usr/bin/root-tail -id 0x255 -g 800x250+100+50 /var/log/messages,blue -font 6x12 /var/log/secure,red,'ALERT' &
[15:24] <agentc0re|work> alienBOB: I don't see why.  Not trying to argue here, but if you've been watching he's just been trolling.  I know i fed into it by replying to his /msg but, it made me feel good and firebird619 asked what was said.
[15:24] <firebird619> cool, thanks. :)
[15:24] <Cann0n> to full...
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[15:24] <firebird619> chopp: ^^
[15:25] <chopp> firebird619: you're welcome
[15:25] <black_messiah> agentc0re|work, you are trying to be smart :D
[15:26] <chopp> firebird619: just remember I have dual monitors, and that is for my second one.
[15:26] <firebird619> chopp: ok
[15:26] <Cann0n> lol agentc0re|work
[15:26] <Cann0n> i love when folks call me racist.
[15:26] <compl3x> chopp: What graphics card are you using?
[15:26] <Cann0n> my gf in latin/black...
[15:27] <chopp> compl3x: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)
[15:27] <compl3x> chopp: ahh nvidia - same here - are you running twinview?
[15:27] <paissad> hi everybody !
[15:27] <paissad> hmm, i purchased 2 hard disk , and i would like to setup for RAID1, what i would like to know is if the 2nd disk (backup) will contain exactly the same things of 1st disk (work disk) ... i mean: does it backup, the filesystem, the installed OS, the data and so on ....
[15:28] <antiwire> it mirrors. it will have an identical copy of the contents
[15:28] <black_messiah> paissad, yes it dose
[15:28] <acidkill> read through the different raid levels and see which one you want
[15:28] <masterx831>  hello hello hellooooooooo
[15:28] <masterx831> :-P
[15:28] <straterra> paissad: it doesn't back up anything
[15:28] <straterra> It's a mirror
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[15:28] <straterra> As soon as a write happens on the array, it happens to both
[15:29] <paissad> i hesitated between RAID1 and RAID5, but knowing that i just have 2 disks, i choose RAID1
[15:29] <paissad> thanks for your help
[15:29] <straterra> yup
[15:29] <straterra> You can't really do RAID 5 with 2 disks
[15:29] <paissad> yeah
[15:29] <straterra> Unless you want a state of perpetual parity calculations
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[15:29] <antiwire> paissad: at risk of being pedantic; raid is not a backup system, it is a redundancy system that can be a component in larger scheme of backups and redundancy
[15:30] <paissad> antiwire, don't know what you really mean ... i should not trust RAID1 ?
[15:30] <antiwire> that's not what i said at all
[15:30] <straterra> RAID 1 is fine, but it doesn't give you backups
[15:30] <compl3x> Anyone seen that video by samsung to promote their ssd's? :p - like 20 in raid getting like xGB/s a second :p was amazing
[15:30] <antiwire> it's just not a backup
[15:31] <black_messiah> compl3x, there were 24 SSDs in RAID0
[15:31] <black_messiah> not 20
[15:31] <straterra> he said like 20, mr.  troll
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[15:32] <paissad> antiwire, what's the difference with a backup , i thought that a backup is  just a copy of data to another place .. am i wrong ?
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[15:32] <straterra> A backup is a copy of previous data
[15:32] <compl3x> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundant_array_of_independent_disks
[15:32] <straterra> With RAID, if you accidently delete a file..its gone from both drives
[15:32] <purvesh> any one know how to install slackware 12.2 in vitualbox via 3 image or the cd
[15:32] <black_messiah> straterra, no it is not
[15:32] <subopt> Anyone know of a way to make the tcsh prompt replace specified path chunks with chunks of your choosing? (This client's project forces both tcsh and *very* long paths.)
[15:32] <black_messiah> is a copy of some data
[15:33] <straterra> black_messiah: in this context it is
[15:33] <jeev> straterra, you considering implementing that thingy?
[15:33] <black_messiah> including the possibility to be the current state of the data
[15:33] <straterra> jeev: I don't know yet
[15:33] <antiwire> paissad: raid is a redundancy method aimed at maintaining uptimes and accessibility while backups are typically separated from the system after they are created for use in restoring after a complete system failure, which could potentially kill a whole array.
[15:33] <straterra> black_messiah: in this context, no
[15:33] <straterra> Sorry
[15:33] <jeev> ok
[15:33] <paissad> antiwire, straterra i understand well now, thanks again :-)
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[15:34] <purvesh> any one know how to install slackware 12.2 in vitualbox via 3 image or the cd, purvesh
[15:35] <black_messiah> yeah
[15:35] <black_messiah> just download the iso
[15:35] <black_messiah> and start from that image
[15:35] <Cann0n> black_messiah: if you dont use linux, and have been labelled a troll, why are you still here?
[15:35] <compl3x> purvesh: setup a vm in the config and point the cd drive to the iso
[15:35] <black_messiah> Cann0n, becouse i find it amusing
[15:36] <black_messiah> and if I am not using linux, dosen't mean I shoudn't be here
[15:36] <purvesh> compl3x: ya but i have 3 iso
[15:36] <purvesh> compl3x: images
[15:36] <Cann0n> black_messiah: you dont have any friends do you?
[15:36] <black_messiah> download the DVD
[15:36] <compl3x> purvesh: want to install?
[15:36] <black_messiah> purvesh, download the DVD iso
[15:36] <purvesh> compl3x: slackware 3 cd iso
[15:36] <black_messiah> Cann0n, no I haven't
[15:36] <purvesh> compl3x: in virtualbox
[15:37] <black_messiah> I don't neet friends, ppl are pathetic
[15:37] <antiwire> black_messiah: why are you talking to us then?
[15:37] <compl3x> black_messiah: then why are you here?
[15:37] <compl3x> antiwire: +1:p
[15:37] <black_messiah> I like to watch the ppl's reactions to such statements
[15:38] <Cann0n> the dvd is the wave of the future... but cd's work on more computers than dont have dvd roms
[15:38] <paissad> a last question mates .... knowing that the 2nd hard disk is used by RAID1, i guess i don't need to format it .... if i create my partitions with gparted live-CD, the configuration will be reported to the 2nd disk ?
[15:38] Action: Cann0n starts a motion. All in favor of ignoring black_messiah  do so
[15:38] <straterra> paissad: depends..you can do RAID 1 on the raw disk..
[15:38] <agentc0re|work> black_messiah: Do you know what a rolf-copter is?
[15:38] <straterra> Or you can use RAID 1 on partitions
[15:39] <black_messiah> paissad, if you created the mirror properly, you shoud see only 1 disk
[15:39] <Cann0n> agentc0re|work: lol
[15:39] <compl3x> Cann0n: :p
[15:39] <straterra> black_messiah: it has nothing to do with properly
[15:39] <antiwire> paissad: it's best practice to partition and format both disks initially but it no absolutely necessary. However, doing so will help you confirm that the disks are in decent health
[15:39] <antiwire> no/not
[15:39] <black_messiah> agentc0re|work, what is a rolf-copter?
[15:40] <paissad> ok
[15:40] <antiwire> straterra: what's your take on raw mode vs partitioned mode?
[15:40] <straterra> It's preference
[15:40] <straterra> I use partitioned because I use swap partitions
[15:41] <black_messiah> agentc0re|work, I really don't know what rolf-copter is.
[15:41] <straterra> RAID'ing your swap is dumb
[15:41] <black_messiah> so plz tell me.
[15:41] <agentc0re|work> black_messiah: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+rolf-copter%3F
[15:41] <straterra> Make two, equal swap partitions and set them to the same priority in fstab...they will be striped (raid 0 basically) by the kernel
[15:41] <antiwire> straterra:  Same here, I use partitioned mode since I can break the mirror and access each disk as a standalone without any tricks
[15:42] Action: compl3x wants boxxy
[15:42] <chopp> compl3x: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13724
[15:42] <agentc0re|work> compl3x: you want this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yavx9yxTrsw
[15:43] <black_messiah> agentc0re|work, 10x.
[15:43] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, I refrained from asking you what you thought about boxxy earlier ;)
[15:43] <ttyX> buntu koala has been released its in alpha so it can bite :p
[15:44] <compl3x> agentc0re|work: yes yes i do :p
[15:44] <compl3x> Well gagged oc
[15:44] <Camarade_Tux> I'm still waiting for lubuntu -_-
[15:44] <compl3x> chopp: can't remember what I was going to ask you now haha
[15:44] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x ;)
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[15:45] <thrice`> I think there is a lubuntu, for lxde
[15:45] <ttyX> Koala's are peaceful animals aren't they?
[15:45] <ttyX> Koalas*
[15:45] <black_messiah> Many ppl r using stubuntu
[15:45] <ttyX> there's a fluxbuntu for sure
[15:45] <Cann0n_> oops... loose power cord... no battery...
[15:45] <black_messiah> :D
[15:46] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`, I thought that was only a project, I thought it didn't exist yet ;p
[15:46] <Camarade_Tux> ttyX, flexbuntu ? hmmm
[15:46] <antiwire> she's married?
[15:46] <antiwire> good lord
[15:46] <Cann0n_> lol ubuntu. oh man.
[15:46] Action: Cann0n_ waits for slackbuntu
[15:46] <thrice`> hhmph
[15:46] <Camarade_Tux> oh yeah, lubuntu exists ! \o/
[15:47] <Camarade_Tux> I'll start advertising to everybody :)
[15:47] <ttyX> Leonidas features were also released and it seems Spartans have some shiny stuff to brag about :p
[15:47] <ttyX> new*
[15:48] <Cann0n_> what about the Titans?
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[15:48] Nick change: black_messiah -> metal_troll
[15:48] <ttyX> Oh glad u asked they got screwed by the lycans
[15:48] <Cann0n_> lol
[15:48] <metal_troll> and what about the trolls
[15:48] <metal_troll> ?
[15:48] <pi31415> As a nethack player, I detest lycanthropes.
[15:49] Action: Cann0n_ votes to ban metal_troll 
[15:49] <pi31415> "Woohoo, I'm a were-insect!"
[15:49] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu
[15:49] <pi31415> *splat*
[15:49] <metal_troll> u r the only one
[15:49] <antiwire> i r the only two
[15:49] <ttyX> One name i really like is Mythbuntu
[15:49] <metal_troll> Cann0n_, if i got banned, I just have to reconnect, and
[15:49] <metal_troll> I'll be online again
[15:49] <ttyX> they've got it absolutely right
[15:51] <ttyX> slackbuntu is gonna be a nightmare I tell you Cann0n
[15:51] <ttyX> imagine pkgtools installing debs :p
[15:51] <metal_troll> slackubuntu will rulle
[15:51] <ttyX> pkgtool*
[15:51] <compl3x> ttyX: id rather not.
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> have you heard about that distribution using the opensolaris kernel and the ubuntu packages ? ><
[15:52] <metal_troll> I have
[15:52] <ttyX> nexenta
[15:52] <metal_troll> it is called Nixenta or so
[15:52] <ttyX> Buntu ownz it in benchmarks :p
[15:52] <alienBOB> metal_troll: first and final warning - stop trolling and generally acting like an ass
[15:53] <alienBOB> The rest, stop feeding the troll
[15:53] <metal_troll> alienBOB, ok!
[15:53] Action: ttyX hides
[15:53] <pi31415> Camarade_Tux: one of those frankendistributions
[15:53] <compl3x> Nexenta..
[15:53] Nick change: metal_troll -> evil_black_metal
[15:54] <firebird619> compl3x: http://www.nexenta.org/os
[15:55] <evil_black_metal> Since I am not trolling anymore, A friend tolled me that slackware 13 package manager is going to resolve dependencies, is it true?
[15:55] <compl3x> firebird619: ive seen it before :p thus knowing the name :p
[15:55] <antiwire> this is getting old
[15:55] <compl3x> firebird619: my bad i see why you left the link - :p
[15:55] <agentc0re|work> imo that's still trolling
[15:56] <pi31415> maybe ##slackware will resolve codependencies
[15:56] <thrice`> ok, he's clearly still trolling
[15:57] <compl3x> guys why dont you just follow alienBOB advice and stop "feeding" him - perhaps if you ignore him it may help a lil
[15:57] <evil_black_metal> agentc0re|work, how is my question trolling? It is a very simple one?
[15:57] <jeev> well, accomplished my nxdomain thingy
[15:57] <jeev> tested it and works !
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[15:58] <evil_black_metal> if you help me to make the difference between trolling and asking normal questions, I'll be able to make the difference
[15:58] <compl3x> haha just had an idea for a domain - letmesbothatforyou.com :p
[15:58] <thrice`> slackware will never resolve dependencies, it's a feature, not a downfall
[15:58] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[15:58] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=strato@*.adsl.alicedsl.de' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB
[15:58] evil_black_metal kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: Bye now
[15:59] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB
[15:59] <chopp> \o/
[15:59] <alienBOB> So tiresome, that guy
[15:59] <antiwire> indeed
[15:59] <compl3x> alienBOB: thanyou
[15:59] <compl3x> thankyou*
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[16:00] Action: jonsmith1982_ got sacked today :(
[16:00] <purvesh> black_messiah, hi u r der
[16:00] Nick change: jonsmith1982_ -> jonsmith1982
[16:00] <alienBOB> agentc0re|work: still, you should not make private conversations public without permission, and with the things you said there, it did not make you look cool at all
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[16:02] <slava_dp> upgraded successfully. wow, even hplip works now. it threw an error on startup at me previously.
[16:04] <compl3x> slava_dp: nice [=
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[16:07] <eviljames> heh
[16:07] <eviljames> death_metal: I don't imagine that people enjoy ban evasion.
[16:07] <eviljames> alienBOB: ping?
[16:07] <death_metal> I am going to be kind
[16:07] <purvesh> how to create the swap in slackware linux in virtualbox
[16:07] <death_metal> and not talk much
[16:08] <straterra> purvesh: the same way you do on a real machine
[16:08] <straterra> read slackbook.org
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[16:08] <purvesh> straterra: but how i'm a new user
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[16:09] <straterra> read slackbook.org
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[16:09] <slava_dp> cfdisk partition type 82 mkswap swapon
[16:10] <slava_dp> well that was a concise explanation
[16:11] <firebird619> haha, I just seen on tv, someone, I don't know when, called the police because his subway sandwich wasn't right.
[16:12] <purvesh> ok i'll try now what i have to write "cfdisk partition type 82 mkswap swapon"
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[16:12] <slava_dp> purvesh, forget what i said. go read the slackbook.
[16:12] <firebird619> compl3x: http://imagebin.org/49091 <--My new conky, still a bit of a work in progress. :)
[16:12] <purvesh> ok
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[16:13] <thrice`> firebird619: SFW?
[16:13] <firebird619> thrice`: yeah
[16:14] <compl3x> firebird619: haha nice - bit ott tho
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[16:16] <firebird619> heh, maybe, but I like it. I just want to get the colors changed. I don't care much for the turqoise (sp?) I'd like black and red. :) I took that from the arch forums and just haven't worked with colors. I like it otherwise though.
[16:16] <firebird619> and, it doesn't seem to drag the system like the other one did. :)
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[16:21] <antiwire> hey this is great news http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/software_proble.html
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[16:24] <beatzz> im back
[16:24] <beatzz> still no wifi
[16:24] <beatzz> i dont even know where to go from here,
[16:25] <thrice`> ok, does your interface exist ?
[16:25] <beatzz> it shows it in iwconfig
[16:25] <beatzz> yes
[16:25] <thrice`> well, that's good :)
[16:26] <thrice`> is your network encrypted ?
[16:26] <beatzz> dont think so
[16:26] <beatzz> im at a college library
[16:27] <antiwire> What are you using to configure the interface for association; the Slackware networking scripts or another toolset?
[16:27] <beatzz> i have no idea
[16:27] <thrice`> well, you should be set to go if there is no encryption
[16:27] <beatzz> i havent done anything to it.
[16:27] <thrice`> ok, so you didn't do anything, but surprised it doesn't work ?
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[16:27] <antiwire> ...
[16:27] <beatzz> no confused as to how to get it to work
[16:27] <beatzz> :x
[16:28] <thrice`> "dhcpcd wlan0"  or whatever your interface name is
[16:28] <beatzz> normaly, i would hit a scan button
[16:28] <beatzz> it would show networks
[16:28] <antiwire> you don't know anything about the target wireless network and you don't even know what you're doing to configure the interface? How can we help you?
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[16:28] <beatzz> ans i would click connect
[16:28] <eviljames> at the cli that's: iwlist wlan0 scan
[16:28] <eviljames> black_messiah: More ban evasion?  Dude...
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[16:28] <agentc0re|work> ffs....
[16:28] <black_messiah> I did not done anything
[16:28] <black_messiah> the second time
[16:28] <Pig_Pen> no encryption wifi? then all that is needed is the ssid, you are not doing it right or you are missing the firmware and/or module for your wifi adapter
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[16:29] <antiwire> black_messiah: You evaded a ban which is violating channel rules as well as Freenode terms of service.
[16:29] <eviljames> black_messiah: Did you see the reason that you were banned last time?
[16:29] <beatzz> proly missing stuff
[16:29] <black_messiah> no I didn't
[16:29] <beatzz> i have the tarball for the firmware
[16:29] <eviljames> death_metal was kicked from ##slackware by slackboy [Banned: Ban  evasion? Bad badd..]
[16:30] <beatzz> i can never get past this far w/ slackware
[16:30] <jeev> lol
[16:30] <jeev> how bad would it be to take "http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/a?f=97631923&p=news&l=LREC2&c=h&at=content%3D%22no_expandable%22 *EXCEPTION* Exception site match. GET 833 0 1 200 - -"
[16:30] <jeev> that hostname and resolve it to mine
[16:30] <jeev> let my google ads fly int hahaha
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[16:31] <beatzz> i have a question
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[16:31] <beatzz> if i put back kubuntu 8.04
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[16:31] black_messiah kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: deathboy, you are hereby killed for ban evasion in addition to the original trolling.  Don't play games here - you lose.
[16:31] <beatzz> and got that working again
[16:32] <beatzz> could i run slackware 12.2 in a virtual machine?
[16:32] <beatzz> and figure out how to get it working on there
[16:32] <beatzz> then knowing how, redo everything w/ slack?
[16:32] <thrice`> beatzz: I would install wicd from /extra if I was you
[16:32] <firebird619> beatzz: yes, you could run slack in a vm like Virtual Box or something.
[16:32] <beatzz> thrice`, i have wicd
[16:32] <Pig_Pen> why not use a live cd that you know has the kernel module & firmware for your wifi and you know it works, then take note of what makes it work and implement it in slackware'
[16:33] <thrice`> ok, are you using it ?
[16:33] <beatzz> thrice`, yes its running
[16:33] <agentc0re|work> \0/
[16:33] <thrice`> then just connect to the interface
[16:33] <beatzz> ...
[16:33] <beatzz> i hit scan
[16:33] <beatzz> says no networks
[16:34] <beatzz> "no wireless networks found"
[16:34] <thrice`> under the "interfaces" is it using the proper interface ?
[16:34] <beatzz> yes wlan0
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[16:35] <Pig_Pen> use some of that thar fancy college education to figure it out, dont let this beat you
[16:35] <beatzz> im no student -_-
[16:35] <beatzz> free internet
[16:35] <beatzz> im poor and teaching myself linux :/
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[16:35] <beatzz> hence the stupidity
[16:35] <thrice`> well, it should "just show up"
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[16:36] <beatzz> it shows no wireless
[16:36] <beatzz> i think this is what i'll do
[16:36] <beatzz> go back to kubuntu
[16:36] <beatzz> which works
[16:36] <beatzz> then get a VM
[16:36] <beatzz> and fiddle w/ slack there
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[16:37] <schneiderr> that train of thought hurts
[16:38] <Old_Fogie> I caught the end of that, and I agree schneiderr
[16:38] <Pig_Pen> it wont be the same, a vm uses a layer so slackware will work without actually dealing with the hardware directly
[16:38] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie 
[16:38] <Old_Fogie> hey firebird619
[16:38] <Old_Fogie> hello all :)
[16:38] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: How's it going?
[16:38] <beatzz> Pig_Pen, ???????
[16:38] <antiwire> beatzz: I hope that's not some pseudo guilt trip because jedi mind tricks don't work on a channel full of jedis
[16:38] <Pig_Pen> it will work, just wont be the same
[16:38] <firebird619> lol
[16:38] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: you can present USB devices to vm in VirtualBox closed :D
[16:39] <beatzz> antiwire, its not, im just lost atm.
[16:39] Action: vastina just got back from some obsd training
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[16:39] <vastina> :)
[16:39] <thrice`> beatzz: when you push scan, does it actually scan for a minute, or just instantly bail out ?
[16:39] <schneiderr> vastina, where?
[16:39] <beatzz> bails out
[16:39] <firebird619> vastina: Hey, how's it going?
[16:40] <thrice`> well, try it from command line
[16:40] <beatzz> iwlist wlan0 scan ?
[16:40] <Pig_Pen> er, this PC has wifi and only wifi for internet, when i run anything in vbox be it windows bsd or linux it thinks i just have an ethernet (wired) connection so it is clear there is a layer of compatability
[16:40] <vastina> schneiderr: with some old guru friends on chat, and a couple books
[16:40] <thrice`> beatzz: exactly ;)
[16:40] <vastina> firebird619: not too bad, how are you man?
[16:40] <schneiderr> vastina, sounds like fun.
[16:40] <firebird619> vastina: doing great, thanks.
[16:40] <beatzz> thrice`, root@5570Z:~# iwlist wlan0 scan
[16:40] <beatzz> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[16:40] <vastina> schneiderr: when it comes to clean code and CLI emphasis, it's always fun
[16:41] <thrice`> beatzz: that's not good.  is this a customer kernel ?  also, which card ?
[16:41] <vastina> and personal training is usually much better than just reading alone
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[16:41] <beatzz> thrice`, i got this dvd.iso from slackwares website, and its a broadcom
[16:42] <Camarade_Tux> silly question but do you have a switch for the wireless card (like a button) ? and ifconfig wlan0 up ?
[16:42] <ttyX> audacious 2 has gone stable :D
[16:42] <Old_Fogie> xmms forevarr!
[16:42] <thrice`> beatzz: aha.  did you install the firmware ?
[16:42] <compl3x> Old_Fogie: +1
[16:42] <beatzz> no i dont know how
[16:42] <Camarade_Tux> ttyX, you mean both mem usage and cpu usage are 20% of what they used to be ?
[16:42] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: +1
[16:42] <beatzz> i have the .tar file
[16:42] <thrice`> beatzz: ok, which card exactly ?
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[16:43] <thrice`> ok, good.  which .tar ?
[16:43] <Camarade_Tux> mplayer Ru|35 :)
[16:43] <ttyX> Camarade_Tux, yet to try
[16:43] <beatzz> thrice`,  Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
[16:43] <thrice`> beatzz: once you install the firmware, it should "just work"
[16:43] <beatzz> i dont know how to install firmware
[16:43] <Pig_Pen> just unpack to /lib/firmware
[16:43] <thrice`> ok, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-firmware/
[16:43] <ttyX> atunes turned out to be a big joke
[16:43] <thrice`> check out that page
[16:44] <Pig_Pen> or build if necessary
[16:44] <ttyX> keeps on frezzing
[16:44] <ttyX> freezing*
[16:44] <thrice`> beatzz: can you join #slackbuilds ?
[16:44] <beatzz> im there
[16:44] <Camarade_Tux> ttyX, best player ever : cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp :)
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[16:45] <ttyX> Camarade_Tux, scroblling is my main concern
[16:45] <ttyX> scrobbling*
[16:45] <Old_Fogie> what's that?
[16:46] <ttyX> last.fm?
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[16:46] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm
[16:46] <Old_Fogie> oh that stuff where you upload what you listen to as if anyone in the world cares :)
[16:46] <Camarade_Tux> bare /dev/dsp may not be suitable then ><
[16:46] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: yup :)
[16:47] <ttyX> Old_Fogie, nope it lets you discover new music too
[16:47] <Old_Fogie> look at me I'm britney spears! I have achieved notoriety (scrobble scrobble :)
[16:47] <ttyX> according to your taste
[16:47] <firebird619> lol
[16:47] <Old_Fogie> ttyX, I'm breakin' your stones :)
[16:47] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: especially by shaving the head and having a breakdown. :)
[16:48] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, hahahah yea
[16:48] <Old_Fogie> tho, I think I can dance better then her tho, she moves like old people have sex, slow and sloppy :)
[16:48] <Necos> >.>
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[16:48] <Old_Fogie> that breakdown did some real madness to her for sure
[16:49] <ttyX> she's paris hilton v0.5 :p
[16:49] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: hahaha, anyone could dance better than her.
[16:50] <firebird619> ttyX: lol
[16:50] <Old_Fogie> yeah she was on them music awards or something not too long ago, she was totally outta step and all that.  I was scratching my head, cuz I do better than that on my webcam :)
[16:50] <firebird619> hahaha
[16:51] <Old_Fogie> I'll have to ask straterra for an account at project stfu and then "fogieroll' ya'll :)
[16:51] <Old_Fogie> hahaha
[16:51] <firebird619> haha
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[16:52] <Camarade_Tux> Necos, where these tits ? \o/
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[16:52] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: that would be quite interesting indeed. fogierollin'
[16:52] <Necos> lol
[16:53] <Pig_Pen> those are some sharp pointy ones, be careful you can put your eye out with those
[16:53] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen, aim for between them !
[16:54] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, I guess the night will be quite short...
[16:54] <Necos> lol
[16:54] <Necos> that's not my idea of a fun saturday night at all
[16:54] <Camarade_Tux> exam on tomorrow ;)
[16:55] <Old_Fogie> offtopic: apparently adobe doesnt know how to patch it's adobe reader, cuz they're sec fix doesnt seem to reg that it worked, and asks over and over to upgrade each launch on win versions.
[16:56] <Necos> >.>
[16:57] <Necos> AR 9 doesn't even launch on my box... gonna try 8.x
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[16:57] <Camarade_Tux> foxit, or sumatra, or apvlv :)
[16:57] <Old_Fogie> woh! ms office homepage for updates says "Server is too busy" WTH!
[16:58] <eviljames> Old_Fogie: That's what they get for using IIS
[16:58] <Old_Fogie> I've never seen that before.
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[16:58] <Old_Fogie> they must be borrowing the Palm Pilot server ASUS uses for it's FTP :)
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[17:00] <ttyX> there's alite version of ar9
[17:00] <ttyX> without the bloat
[17:00] <Necos> yeah, 9's broken
[17:00] <Old_Fogie> Necos, you see the breakage in the sec fix upgrade too ?
[17:00] <Necos> i was trying 9.1 or whatever
[17:00] Action: ttyX still uses v7
[17:00] <Old_Fogie> it seems to want you to install it each time you check for upgrades?
[17:00] <Necos> acroread-9.1.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz
[17:00] <Necos> it doesn't even launch
[17:01] <Old_Fogie> yea I didn't do it yet for my slack, but the windows sec fix for adobe is broken, or something I dunno what
[17:01] <Necos> built it a couple of weeks ago... and it's just dead
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[17:01] <antiwire> works fine for me
[17:02] <Necos> 8.1.3 works just dandy
[17:02] <Old_Fogie> I'm still using the 8 version now I think of it, cuz it still receives sec fixes , the 8 series that is.  9 is too slow, I'll move to it when 8 is no longer supported
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[17:02] <Necos> they have 10 now, no?
[17:02] <Old_Fogie> not shown at their regular site, maybe in the devel labs?
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[17:04] <Old_Fogie> well the office upgrade site is back up
[17:04] <Necos> hmmm
[17:04] <Old_Fogie> oh nope, links aren't working there. well heck with it hen
[17:04] <Old_Fogie> then
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[17:06] <eviljames> Old_Fogie: you can upgrade at Openoffice.org
[17:06] <Old_Fogie> yeah I just made sure powerpoints open with OO .
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[17:06] <ttyX> office sp3 has weirdodf support
[17:07] <ttyX> 07*
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[17:07] <Old_Fogie> I use OO more then ms/office anyhow.
[17:08] <ttyX> Anyone tried lotus smphony?
[17:08] <ttyX> symphony*
[17:09] <eviljames> I find that OO's powerpoint is on par with MSO's
[17:09] <Old_Fogie> the reviews for it were so bad, I didn't bother
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[17:09] <Old_Fogie> eviljames, yeah OO's is really good
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[17:09] <Old_Fogie> I primarily use MS/office for access, OO just ain't there yet for what I need.
[17:10] <eviljames> Agreed.
[17:10] <eviljames> Except that Access is horrible and I hate it a lot.
[17:10] <eviljames> (and use it every day)
[17:11] <Old_Fogie> is it a form design/layout issue? or performance?
[17:11] <eviljames> Once your primary index gets over a certain point it overflows and destroys data it seems
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[17:12] <Old_Fogie> oh I reindex it, so a ~ten year database still going strong
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[17:12] <Old_Fogie> but I have had issues over the years here / there
[17:12] <Old_Fogie> wouldn't close right on exit, that'll screw ya up
[17:12] <eviljames> Yeah, it occaisonally would toast fields for me and replace with : #########value?########
[17:13] <eviljames> Not nice when it's, say, notes on a client account.
[17:13] <Old_Fogie> oooh that's not good.
[17:13] <eviljames> And totally random.
[17:13] <beatzz> how do i uninstall ndiswrapper?
[17:13] <beatzz> seems as tho i dont need it
[17:13] <eviljames> I ended up putting it on zfs and snapshotting hourly just in case of this.
[17:13] <straterra> removepkg ndiswrapper
[17:13] <straterra> and slackbook.org
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[17:14] <Old_Fogie> eviljames, yea that's really the best thing todo, back it up.  I wrote a batch file that backs up the backend hourly just for that reason.
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[17:34] <ebcl> Does anyone have any suggestions for encrypting my home partition? I don't use a login manager or anything like that - boot to prompt.
[17:35] <antiwire> LUKS
[17:36] <antiwire> this http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README_CRYPT.TXT  and this  http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:setup#encrypted_partitions
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[17:38] <schneiderr> ebcl, better encrypt more than just /home .... you leak data
[17:38] <schneiderr> take /var or /tmp f.e.
[17:38] <schneiderr> and swap if you use it
[17:38] <ebcl> schneiderr: I don't mind encrypting the entire drive, so long as I can decrypt it with my brain.
[17:39] <schneiderr> ;p
[17:39] <antiwire> what?
[17:39] <ebcl> ... as opposed to having to have e.g. a usb key.
[17:39] <schneiderr> whatever suits your needs.
[17:39] <antiwire> LUKS will ask for a passphrase or you can use a USB dongle
[17:39] <schneiderr> im a happy loop-aes users myself. full sys enc on all my systems
[17:39] <schneiderr> -s
[17:39] <antiwire> I use LUKS for /
[17:40] <schneiderr> like i said, whatever floats your boat.
[17:40] <schneiderr> luks is ok by now, in its early stages it was yikes.
[17:40] <Arenics> why encrypt your HD´s data ?
[17:40] <ebcl> roger.
[17:41] <antiwire> Arenics: what happens if someone steals my laptop?
[17:41] <schneiderr> Arenics, just think of stolen laptop. or a hdd you need to return to vendor.
[17:41] <antiwire> all they get is hardware if they steal my laptop
[17:41] <schneiderr> yup
[17:41] <ebcl> Arenics: if you have to ask...
[17:41] <Arenics> ok... ok... =)
[17:41] <schneiderr> ebcl, we all started clueless.
[17:41] <schneiderr> even meeeee ;P
[17:41] <ebcl> schneiderr: sorry, that was meant more lighthearted.
[17:42] <schneiderr> i hear you ;P
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[17:42] <Arenics> I know nothing about encrypting (noob)
[17:43] <ebcl> Arenics: no worries - one could probably guess pretty easily that I don't know much either.
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[17:43] <schneiderr> using crypto is always a compromise
[17:44] <schneiderr> between security and (ease of) usage
[17:44] <antiwire> Arenics: without my epic passphrase it would be require relatively massive resources to break the encryption. This means someone can steal my laptop and only get hardware out of it and I would have no worry about any personal information or client information being compromised
[17:44] <antiwire> it would require**
[17:44] <schneiderr> antiwire, how long is yours? if i may ask and expect a somewhat truthful answer ;P
[17:44] <ebcl> Is it safe to assume that the encryption will consume some system resources, e.g. slow down my system a bit?
[17:44] <schneiderr> >40 ?
[17:45] <Arenics>  antiwire, nice
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[17:45] <schneiderr> mine is >40 and <50
[17:45] <antiwire> between 30 and 50 here
[17:45] <schneiderr> heh.
[17:46] <antiwire> I just sentences with possibly full char sets
[17:46] <antiwire> use*
[17:46] <Arenics> but doing it (encrypting hd´s data), would I lose computer performace ?
[17:46] <schneiderr> with modern cpus the bottleneck is the hdd
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[17:46] <antiwire> Arenics: there is a light trade off but it is not usually very noticeable
[17:47] <schneiderr> if you have a large database on a raid array, that might require some tweaking and smart crypt setup, but apart from that, the general rule is nope.
[17:47] <ebcl> I do all my compressions on external drives, so this shouldn't really tally for me... yes?
[17:47] <schneiderr> ebcl, whats you cpu?
[17:47] <Arenics> antiwire, I got an old powermac G4(400mhz) with aprox. 512mb ram, and so...
[17:48] <Arenics> im running SLACKINTOSH
[17:48] <ebcl> schneiderr: 3.0GHz intel something or the other, I forget.
[17:48] <schneiderr> fwiw, my laptop is a 1.6 ghz banias. and it's ok. i underclocked it to 400 mhz (and can go down to 100 if need be)
[17:48] <Arenics> unofficial slackware port for ppc arch.
[17:48] <schneiderr> ebcl, yar ok
[17:48] <ebcl> Well, I have some reading to do. Thank you all for the convo and the linkage.
[17:49] <schneiderr> have fun. and always have a backup handy, ebcl
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[17:49] <ebcl> heh. Backups are for rich people [who can afford extra hard drives] :)
[17:50] <gooph> you don't have to be rich to afford hard drives anymore.
[17:50] <antiwire> I don't consider data loss to be a poor person's problem
[17:50] <schneiderr> really. if you encrypted drives, look into things such as par2
[17:50] <antiwire> ebcl: if you data isn't important enough to backup how can it be important enough to encrypt?
[17:50] <schneiderr> cos a bitflipper will cause at least 32 bytes go down the drain (read: decode to gibberish) on luks, on loop-aes, it's the complete sector
[17:51] <gooph> that's a good point there antiwire.
[17:51] <schneiderr> antiwire, which cipher do you use?
[17:51] <antiwire> twofish
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[17:51] <schneiderr> k
[17:51] <schneiderr> serpent here
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[17:52] <schneiderr> for the lurkers in here: blowfish is inadequate for large amounts of data. the cipher's author stated so himself.
[17:52] <schneiderr> mnemonic rhyme: blowfish .... blows.
[17:52] <ebcl> antiwire: so by your logic, since I cannot afford the hundred bones to buy a drive for backup, I should also not be encrypting anything?
[17:53] <antiwire> ebcl: you risk a bigger issue by encrypting and not backing up. It actually makes your chances of needing the backup higher.
[17:53] <ebcl> There are different motivations for encryption - security, privacy, just being an ass. If security is one's primary motivation, then your argument might hold more water.
[17:53] <antiwire> ebcl: so then your argument is being an ass?
[17:53] <ebcl> Mostly. :)
[17:53] <antiwire> ...
[17:53] <antiwire> good luck
[17:54] <schneiderr> however this ends: youll benefit from the experience.
[17:55] <ebcl> ... and therein lies the goal.
[17:55] <ebcl> Thanks again, all.
[17:55] <antiwire> Encrypting the disk before you have a backup plan shows extreme lack of preparation. It does not cost hundreds of dollars to create a backup or get some sort of media to copy at least the critical files to.
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[17:56] <antiwire> cd-r, dvd-r, USB sticks are extremely cheap now, you can find disks on craigslist, ebay, or even new for under 50 bucks in some cases
[17:56] <ebcl> IGNORE antiwire
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[17:57] <antiwire> thank you
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[18:00] <Arenics> Crypting my informations guarantee me that it NEVER won´t be discovered before the knowledge my password.
[18:00] <Arenics> ?
[18:00] <antiwire> no
[18:00] <Arenics> hm...
[18:00] <compl3x> Never wont ..
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[18:01] <antiwire> it means that it will take more time than it would if it was not encrypted and that amount of time decreases as hardware performance increases
[18:01] <Arenics> did you understand me ? (i don´t speak very well)
[18:01] <compl3x> double negative?
[18:02] <amazon10x> gentlemen
[18:02] <amazon10x> hello
[18:02] <compl3x> hey amazon10x
[18:03] <eviljames> what about all the ladies in the house?
[18:03] <eviljames> You don't want to say hello to them?
[18:03] <amazon10x> my apologies
[18:03] <amazon10x> ladies
[18:03] <amazon10x> hello
[18:04] <Arenics> what a person who has my encrypted data could do to have access to my informations ?
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[18:05] <amazon10x> i've got this weird problem that just started for some reason
[18:05] <antiwire> Arenics: find a flaw in any aspect of the implementation, being the encryption algorithm, your key security, the media itself, a flaw in the tools that were used to encrypt the data, really any number of issues also including a plain out brute force attack
[18:05] <Pig_Pen> when they tie you to a chair a beat you with a dead trout until you give them the password :D
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[18:06] <amazon10x> i'm on -current and when i bring up amarok i get a notification that says "audio playback device (somethin somethin) doesn't work. falling back to (something something)"
[18:06] <amazon10x> it was working fine earlier today and i haven't done anything since then except browse the web
[18:06] <amazon10x> haven't even logged out or restarted or anything
[18:07] <Pig_Pen> what is that method called when information is hidden in a graphic file? then they wont even know what it is thinking it is just a photo
[18:07] <amazon10x> stegenography
[18:07] <eviljames> amazon10x: Likely that something (ie: flash) has glommed onto your sound card and now Amarok cannot.
[18:07] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[18:07] <amazon10x> steganography*
[18:07] <amazon10x> eviljames: i'll try quitting firefox then
[18:08] <Pig_Pen> that would be better because they wont be any wiser, they can not crack what they dont know even exists
[18:08] <eviljames> and restarting amarok
[18:08] <amazon10x> there's always the hidden volumes of truecrypt if you need plausible deniability
[18:08] <eviljames> I thought that dmix was integrated into alsa, though... so they shouldn't conflict anymore.
[18:09] <antiwire> Arenics: It's really a function of resources, mainly time. The current high-end encryption methods simply make guessing the keys or finding a collision extremely time consuming.
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[18:09] <Arenics> antiwire, ow...
[18:09] <antiwire> to the point of exceeding the life span of the attackers exponentially ;)
[18:09] <eviljames> To add to antiwire's statement, if someone wants at your data, they'll get it.
[18:10] <eviljames> Maybe not a normal person, but someone who has resources and wants it bad enough won't have any problem.
[18:10] <Arenics> antiwire, nice you speak like an hacker ¬¬ =), and so... suposing that I´ve not commited no fault (flawless cryptograph) and my password is very good with over than 10 alphanumeric chars (none wordlist contains it for bruteforce)... and even so still my data vulnerable ?
[18:10] <eviljames> the NSA, for example, can throw an airplane hanger full of computers at the brute force.
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[18:11] <antiwire> Arenics: well that all depends on who you think is after you ;) lol
[18:11] <amazon10x> and when he says airplane hangar, he means a very, very big airplane gangar
[18:11] <eviljames> While a single computer working 'round the clock might take millions of years to decrypt something, hundreds of thousands of computers can divide the brute force up and achieve it pretty trivially.
[18:11] <beatzz> ok, at a friends house, whose wifi network is up and running
[18:11] <compl3x> is there such thing a secure data ? heh :p
[18:11] <beatzz> but no networks show on scan
[18:11] <eviljames> compl3x: Only what's in your mind, for the moment.
[18:11] <compl3x> eviljames: true true
[18:11] <eviljames> compl3x: and even then, it is questionable.
[18:12] <antiwire> Arenics: I would say that what you described would give you a fairly secured setup
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[18:12] <Pig_Pen> Arenics where are you?
[18:12] <eviljames> amazon10x: Or dozens of airplane hangars.
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[18:12] <Urchlay> they can always point a gun at your head (or your wife/kid/mother's head) and say "give me the key or I shoot"
[18:12] <eviljames> Urchlay: xkcd references ftw :P
[18:12] <antiwire> Arenics: To put it into real world terms; your local police agency is probably not going to be able to gain access to what you described.
[18:12] <compl3x> Urchlay: and at that point you panic and forget the key- then boom.
[18:12] <antiwire> I'd let them shoot me
[18:12] <Arenics> Pig_Pen, I´m at front of a PC lol =)
[18:13] <antiwire> they they get nothing
[18:13] <antiwire> then*
[18:13] <Pig_Pen> thats exactly why it is better to hide it where they wont know what it is even when they are looking at it than to have something that is obviously encrypted
[18:13] <eviljames> antiwire: heh, they'd start shooting you in the toes
[18:13] <Urchlay> antiwire: I wouldn't, not for the piddly useless crap on my hard drives...
[18:13] <eviljames> antiwire: then slowly work their way upwards.
[18:13] <eviljames> antiwire: Quite frankly, they can have all my mp3s.
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[18:13] Action: compl3x wonders what Arenics is hiding :p
[18:13] <antiwire> I totally understand that take on it. My take is the fundamental reasoning behind encrypting it in the first place
[18:14] <Urchlay> I mean I'm not doing anything they'd find interesting in the first place... but then I don't bother encrypting my drives either
[18:14] <Pig_Pen> whois Arenics
[18:14] <Arenics> compl3x, lol
[18:14] <Pig_Pen> Brazil
[18:15] <compl3x> Anyone here use bluefish?
[18:15] <antiwire> Neither am I, they'd get some client information and maybe some personal information that is ultimately information that they already know.
[18:15] <amazon10x> Arenics@nsa.gov
[18:15] <amazon10x> lol
[18:15] <eviljames> Urchlay: Yeah, for me encryption isn't even worth the processing overhead, nobody wants at my music collection that bad.
[18:15] <Arenics> Pig_Pen, Ya, im from Brasil
[18:15] <Pig_Pen> at least you are not in Guatamala, right now Guatamala is a mess
[18:15] <amazon10x> restarting firefox and amarok worked, btw
[18:15] <Arenics> maybe I´m using a proxy don´t you think ?
[18:15] <Arenics> 11
[18:15] <Arenics> lol
[18:15] <beatzz> anyone know why i wouldent be getting any wireless networks found? when im right next to an AP
[18:15] <beatzz> ?
[18:15] <eviljames> And in the office, the users are by far the biggest security hole.  Once they're all trained I'll consider encrypting drives.
[18:15] <schneiderr> <compl3x> is there such thing a secure data ? heh :p  <------- have a look at http://oss.oracle.com/projects/data-integrity/
[18:15] <amazon10x> beatzz: have you tried reloading your network card drivers?
[18:15] <antiwire> beatzz: incorrect firmware version for the hardware?
[18:16] <beatzz> far as i know the card is working
[18:16] <antiwire> beatzz: wifi kill switch?
[18:16] <beatzz> !!!!
[18:16] <beatzz> switch!
[18:16] <amazon10x> foiled again
[18:16] <antiwire> lol
[18:16] <amazon10x> haha
[18:16] <compl3x> fail
[18:17] <eviljames> hahah that's excellent.
[18:17] <antiwire> lmao
[18:17] <compl3x> noobfarm?
[18:17] <amazon10x> if i read it, i'd think it was made u
[18:17] <amazon10x> up*
[18:17] <eviljames> compl3x: We'd have to compile the 2 days of history for beatzz' problem to make it worthwhile :P
[18:17] Action: eviljames has the logs but doesn't care enough to do so
[18:17] <compl3x> eviljames: haha
[18:17] <compl3x> if his wifi switch was off- im going to cry
[18:18] <beatzz> u guys its working
[18:18] <eviljames> beatzz: once the killswitch is no longer on, try iwlist wlan0 scan again :P
[18:18] <antiwire> bahahaha
[18:18] <eviljames> hahahahah that's AWESOME.
[18:18] <beatzz> but how to connect?
[18:18] <compl3x> hahahaha!
[18:18] <compl3x> omg
[18:18] <beatzz> eviljames, yes it works, shows network
[18:18] <amazon10x> man iwconfig
[18:18] <compl3x> brb guys -
[18:18] <beatzz> but its encripyed
[18:18] <eviljames> beatzz: If you can see it there, use wicd-client to do the rest
[18:18] <eviljames> (or try at least)
[18:18] <schneiderr> beatzz, dont get fooled. such a thing happens, and the kids in here are just having a field day (or week)
[18:18] <antiwire> For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure thrice` mentioned the kill switch yesterday too
[18:18] <beatzz> i did, it asks to enable encryption
[18:18] <Urchlay> don't feel too bad beatzz, you're not the only person that's ever happened to...
[18:18] <Arenics> antiwire, resuming... it´s possible have an inviolable data by crypting it.
[18:19] <antiwire> Arenics: can you try to rephrase that please?
[18:19] <Arenics> sure (sry)
[18:19] <compl3x> wait so all this time - the killswitch has been off - throughout the holl ndis slack build etc?
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[18:19] <compl3x> hole*
[18:19] <amazon10x> whole*
[18:19] <amazon10x> :P
[18:19] <compl3x> fail #
[18:20] <antiwire> Arenics: Don't be sorry, as long as we can deal with the language barrier it is really not a problem ;)
[18:20] <Arenics> antiwire, summarizing... it´s possible have a 100% secured data just crypting it
[18:20] <compl3x> Arenics: yeah dont appologise - english is my only language and yet I still get corrected haha
[18:20] <eviljames> Arenics: No, it is fundamentally impossible to have 100% secured data.
[18:20] <amazon10x> Arenics: have you read about Vernam ciphers?
[18:21] <Arenics> compl3x: lol
[18:21] <Urchlay> "100% secure" doesn't really exist
[18:21] <Urchlay> there are no guarantees
[18:21] <antiwire> Arenics: Not 100% you can make it very difficult for people to access the data but there is always a chance of a really good guess.
[18:21] <Arenics> amazon10x, no
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[18:21] <amazon10x> well, i think you can get 100% with one time pads and such
[18:21] <antiwire> Ultimately, All it takes is an amazing guess to break any key ;)
[18:21] <eviljames> amazon10x: The best you can do is make it extremely computationally difficult.
[18:21] <amazon10x> algorithmically, one time pads are unbreakable
[18:21] <Pig_Pen> i would suggest storing the data away from the PC, like on CD/DVD and stash that where it wont be found
[18:21] <amazon10x> but, that doesn't stop side-channel attacks
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[18:22] <compl3x> Give it enough computing power and time -
[18:22] <Urchlay> amazon10x: but if your secret agent gets captured by the enemy, they get his stack of one-time pads...
[18:22] <antiwire> amazon10x: like an utterly amazing, nature raping guess
[18:22] <antiwire> lol
[18:22] <antiwire> it can happen
[18:22] <eviljames> compl3x: That's what I was saying above, some people have multiple airplane hangars full of computers...
[18:22] <amazon10x> antiwire: you can't really guess a one time pad
[18:22] <Urchlay> heh, wait until they invent the Infinite Improbability machine, all your encryption are belong to them
[18:23] <eviljames> Urchlay: damn, beat me to it.
[18:23] <amazon10x> i mean, you can, but you kind of have the same chance of success as you do the probability that all of the atoms in your body will reappear on the other side of the room
[18:23] <compl3x> Or build a giant metal furnace - keep your data on a removable HD - then you can always throw it in the furnace :p
[18:23] <antiwire> here ya go http://www.idquantique.com/products/quantis.htm
[18:23] <agentc0re|work> heh that cube reminds me of http://timecube.com
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[18:24] <antiwire> lol
[18:24] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: yay timecube!
[18:24] <Urchlay> amazon10x: real data though... has patterns to it. known things like "there's an ext2 superblock at offset XYZ from the  start of the partition", which can be useful to whoever's trying to crack it
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[18:25] <amazon10x> Urchlay: that doesn't really apply to one time pads i think
[18:25] <Urchlay> eh, why not?
[18:25] <Urchlay> for that matter, how do you apply one time pads to encrypting a filesystem?
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[18:26] <amazon10x> the cipher text basically has no relation to the plaintext
[18:26] <amazon10x> well, you don't. they're too difficult to use IRL
[18:26] <amazon10x> :P
[18:26] <Urchlay> no relation = can't be decrypted even with the correct key, so that can't be right...
[18:26] <antiwire> with a block cipher wouldn't it require a new pad for each block?
[18:26] <ansunzofm> anyone using gsb with slack-current? i'm running slamd64 12.1, planning to upgrade to slamd64 12.2 or slack-current  and didn't want to break all the existing gnome pkgs
[18:26] <agentc0re|work> I only believe in the Time Megagon :P
[18:27] <amazon10x> yeah, it's not quite no relation. that's why i said "basically"
[18:27] <agentc0re|work> there are 1,000,000 different time zones.
[18:27] <amazon10x> the thing with one time pads is that your pad has to be as long as your plaintext
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[18:27] <amazon10x> so if you wanted to encrypt your 500GB hdd, you essentially need a key that is 500GB long
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[18:27] <beatzz_> wifi working, thanks all for all the help!
[18:27] <antiwire> hey also, sort of OT at this point but this is about the Truecrypt deniability feature and possible issues with it http://www.schneier.com/paper-truecrypt-dfs.pdf
[18:28] <amazon10x> one time pads are just way too impractical to use, which is why they haven't been used much at all outside of short message exchange for spies
[18:28] <agentc0re|work> Heh, think about what it'd take to encrypt the whole internet cache.
[18:28] <eviljames> beatzz_: wicd-client did the trick?
[18:28] <Urchlay> ansunzofm: my best advice to you (which may or may not be any good) is to remove the gnome packages before the upgrade, and install them again afterwards (gnome pkgs that are actually made for the version you've upgraded to, I mean)
[18:28] <Arenics> recently hackers stole data an military usa jet project : http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/21/pentagon.hacked/ : those informations was encrypted ?
[18:28] <beatzz_> eviljames, yes after the kill switch
[18:28] <eviljames> heh, naturally.
[18:28] <beatzz_> now for aircrack
[18:28] <beatzz_> ;)
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[18:28] <beatzz_> i know that one tho, should b the same as on last distro
[18:29] <antiwire> Arenics: It should have been encrypted if it was required under the classification that the documents had. I don't know though.
[18:29] <antiwire> Arenics: most likely it was not encrypted
[18:29] <ansunzofm> Urchlay: thx for the suggestion.. i'll make sure I've got a good back up.
[18:29] <lf4> how do you echo a tab character in bash?
[18:29] <Arenics> ow... security fail
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[18:30] <lf4> blah that was a stupid question.
[18:30] <Urchlay> lf4: echo -e '\011'
[18:30] <antiwire> Urchlay: you sick bastard
[18:30] <Arenics> antiwire, nice document http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/21/pentagon.hacked/, ty
[18:30] <Urchlay> amazon10x: actually, hm, here's a thought for you: you have 2 drives, one with 500GB of data and one with 500GB of random garbage (the key). The filesystem driver XORs each bit on the data drive against the corresponding bit on the data drive...
[18:31] <compl3x> Urchlay: that would be sloooowww - surley?
[18:31] <Urchlay> it's not a true one-time pad (the key doesnt get used once & discarded)
[18:31] <amazon10x> interesting thought, but also keep in mind that you can't reuse a key
[18:31] <Urchlay> compl3x: not much slower than e.g. software RAID5
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[18:31] <compl3x> Urchlay: fair enough
[18:31] <Urchlay> in fact that's sort-of how software raid works
[18:31] <schneiderr> house raids ........ um.
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[18:32] <amazon10x> that sounds like a good idea though
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[18:32] <Urchlay> anyway. To scramble the data disk, you remove the key disk and hide it somewhere
[18:32] <amazon10x> i guess it would provide a fantastic level of security, but i don't really know if it's necessary. i think the general consensus is that aes-256 is not breakable
[18:32] <Arenics> http://www.schneier.com/paper-truecrypt-dfs.pdf
[18:32] <compl3x> Urchlay: very good idea actually :)
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[18:33] <TheTrash> Is there any obvious reason why Linux on a DSL connection would have, say, 40% packet loss while Windows on the same machine works fine?
[18:33] <Urchlay> schneiderr: if your hose gets raided by a SWAT team, you lose, no matter what precautions you've taken... best you could do would be suicide I think
[18:33] <Urchlay> er, if your /house/ gets raided...
[18:33] <TheTrash> The weird thing is, I've tried 2 machines and in this network, Linux has packet loss on both.
[18:33] <compl3x> Urchlay: you sounded canadian for a minute :p
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[18:33] <eviljames> hey
[18:33] <compl3x> well steriotypically
[18:33] <eviljames> What's wrong with being Canadian?
[18:33] <amazon10x> Urchlay: i wonder if someone has written up some software to implement your idea
[18:34] <compl3x> eviljames: - nothing
[18:34] <antiwire> amazon10x: sort of, luks supports USB key fobs
[18:34] <schneiderr> Urchlay, in-wall setups ;P
[18:34] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: What version of slackware?
[18:34] <Urchlay> amazon10x: good question. I don't even know what the proper name for it would be, so I dunno what to even google for
[18:34] <beatzz_> eviljames, ok, i try to download the source for aircrack off slackbuilds.org and it says files not there
[18:34] <amazon10x> oh, here's an extension for that: when archiving to a dvd, you could burn two dvds, one with the OTP and the other would be encrypted with it
[18:34] <TheTrash> One has 12.0, the other 12.1 or 12.2 (can't remember and I'm in Windows on that PC now).
[18:34] <compl3x> Urchlay: perhaps to adapt your idea- the second hardrive is located somewhere else - possibly over a network where you have a secondary pc to connect to
[18:35] <amazon10x> that could actually be a real OTP, because the data wouldn't be modified once it'd been written
[18:35] <compl3x> Urchlay: ie: somewhere miles away
[18:35] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: Did this just start happening?
[18:35] <antiwire> beatzz: so look on the aircrack-ng site for the source and update the build script
[18:35] <TheTrash> No, it's been like this since this line was connected.
[18:35] <amazon10x> compl3x: over the network is a problem because the OTP should not be seen by anyone else
[18:35] <compl3x> amazon10x: ah good point.
[18:35] <amazon10x> you could theoretically encrypt it with aes or something, but then you're back where you started
[18:35] <antiwire> beatzz: I don't mean to be super harsh about it but if you're using aircrack, getting the source should be pretty simple.
[18:35] <TheTrash> It's business DSL, it has 8 public IPs, but everything was set up by the ISP.
[18:36] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: What are you using to monitor packet loss in windows?
[18:36] <chopp> antiwire: I was just thinking the same thing. :P
[18:36] <TheTrash> ping and the fact that I can normally load webpages :)
[18:36] <Urchlay> antiwire: hey wait... octal escapes are sick?
[18:36] <Urchlay> (just noticed you said that)
[18:36] <antiwire> Urchlay: no, but that fact you knew it by memory sure it
[18:36] <antiwire> lol
[18:36] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: http://www.pingplotter.com/
[18:36] <TheTrash> In this case, pinging the gateway.
[18:37] <TheTrash> Which has a public IP.
[18:37] <Urchlay> fair enough
[18:37] <Urchlay> actually had to convert decimal 9 to octal (I don't have anything memorized in octal...)
[18:37] <antiwire> hehe
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[18:38] <TheTrash> agentc0re|work: I don't suppose there's a Linux version?
[18:39] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: Yup, it's called ethtool.  you would do something along the lines like, ethtool -S eth0
[18:40] <agentc0re|work> not as fancy.  But just because you are having a better experience in windows doesn't mean you aren't experiencing packet loss.
[18:41] <TheTrash> So far all is < 1ms in Pingplotter.
[18:41] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: You might want to either try upgrading to 12.2 or to a newer kernel and see if that fixes the problem too.  Could be to do something with your nic module.
[18:41] <TheTrash> That is something I could try/
[18:41] <agentc0re|work> i also wouldn't test packet loss against your own gateway.
[18:42] <TheTrash> Though... I tried on different machines with different nics and they both displayed the same behaviour.
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[18:42] <TheTrash> One's a laptop, the other one's a desktop I built myself so they're not similar at all.
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[18:42] <agentc0re|work> are you statically setting your IP's or dhcp?  are you natting or are they DHCP'ing one of your 8 public ip's?
[18:42] <TheTrash> If I lose stuff to the gateway, I'm certainly going to lose stuff going beyond the gateway, I'm fiugring.
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[18:43] <TheTrash> No I get one out of the 8 via DHCP.
[18:43] <TheTrash> Different ones, too... doesn't seem to matter which I get assigned.
[18:43] <agentc0re|work> problem number one.  you need to turn on routing and start natting to get private ip's assigned to your pc's.
[18:44] <TheTrash> Why?
[18:44] <Urchlay> nah, he said he actually has 8 public IPs, no need for NAT in that case
[18:45] <Urchlay> (whether it's a good idea to have workstations on public IPs or not might be debatable, but it should work at least)
[18:45] <TheTrash> Well, possibly NAT fixes this... but it's a non-solution AND it would require me to start from scratch as far as configuring the router goes.
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[18:45] <compl3x> haha just blocked port 80 outbound on my router - was wondering why I wasn't getting webpages XD
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[18:46] <TheTrash> Plus there's a firewall (which I have turned off for the moment)
[18:46] <Urchlay> d'oh!
[18:48] <agentc0re|work> I would never assign a pc with a public ip.  If it needs a public ip do a 1to1 NAT.  If someone owned that IP before hand and lets say it was a webserver, Slackware doesn't automatically block/drop any traffic by default but windows usually will start with the firewall on.  You could be getting hit pretty hard with incoming traffic and not know it.
[18:48] <agentc0re|work> It's hard to say what your situation is since only you are there.
[18:48] <beatzz_> trying to install iw, but it gives me this error
[18:48] <beatzz_> Makefile:33: *** Cannot find development files for any supported version of libnl.  Stop.
[18:49] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: If my solution is a non-solution for you, then i cannot further help you.
[18:49] <beatzz_> i understand how to use slackbuild
[18:49] <TheTrash> If ethtool -S eth0 doesn't display any errors but I still get something like "13 packets transmitted, 8 received, 38% packet loss, time 12008ms", does that mean anything?
[18:49] <agentc0re|work> Good luck though.
[18:49] <beatzz_> but what dose this mean? Makefile:33: *** Cannot find development files for any supported version of libnl.  Stop.
[18:49] <TheTrash> agentc0re|work: well, if no one else has any suggestions, I'll definitely go with your solution.
[18:49] <beatzz_> do i need to get that lib?
[18:49] Action: agentc0re|work only does this for a living
[18:49] <agentc0re|work> :P
[18:50] <agentc0re|work> slackpkg install beer
[18:50] <chopp> god beatzz_, go back to iw's slackbuild page, and READ it's dependencies?
[18:50] <agentc0re|work> :D
[18:50] <TheTrash> Oh it's not that I don't trust you, it's that I'm sort of afraid to change the router to a NAT setting since my ISP more or less locked it.
[18:50] <eviljames> slackpkg inject heroin
[18:50] <beatzz_> chopp, thanks, i will
[18:51] <TheTrash> And there's an electronic payment terminal hooked up to the connection that needs to work in about 8 hours, so if I break it, bad things happen.
[18:51] <beatzz_> chopp, Requires libnl.
[18:51] <chopp> ...
[18:51] <beatzz_> how do i obtain libnl?
[18:51] <eviljames> beatzz_: libnl is probably on SBo
[18:51] <firebird619> ....
[18:51] <firebird619> eviljames: it is. :P
[18:51] <beatzz_> /tmp/SBo?
[18:51] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: I'm not saying that you don't trust me.  Every setup can and will be different from others.  You may not want to use NAT in your environment.
[18:52] <beatzz_> because i 'rm -r /tmp/SBo/'
[18:52] <beatzz_> i thought it was trash :x
[18:52] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: you could already have everything DMZ'd away from it.. I mean there are a million things that i am currently thinking about how it could be in my head but there are only a few that are the possible answer.
[18:52] <TheTrash> They "fixed me up" with this Speedtouch thing on a business line... there's no clear interface to the dhcp settings apart from a "setup wizard" that has the public IPs locked, it does have "parental supervision" and "games setup" on the front page of the config page.
[18:52] <beatzz_> what is SBo?
[18:52] <eviljames> beatzz_: Just to keep you up on the vernacular, SBo = slackbuilds.org
[18:52] <firebird619> beatzz_: it is not wise to just delete stuff you *think* is trash.
[18:53] <beatzz_> firebird619, point taken, wont do so again
[18:53] <TheTrash> Well the setup looks quite simple on the surface.
[18:53] <eviljames> firebird619: Wisdom is gained through pain sometimes :P
[18:53] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: It's possible it's just acting as a gateway in which they are requiring you to route on your end.
[18:53] <TheTrash> x.136 is broadcast, x.137 is the router, the rest is available.
[18:54] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: Might be best to call them up and find out.
[18:54] <TheTrash> I can get to e.g. google on Linux, it's just very slow and times out half of the time.
[18:54] <firebird619> eviljames: indeed it is. I think we've all been there at some point in time. :)
[18:54] <beatzz_> eviljames, do i install libln just like a slackpkg ? download the file, and source, and do ./name.SlackBuild
[18:54] <TheTrash> I should, though I'm quite afraid I'll hit a dead end as soon as I mention Linux.
[18:54] <Arenics> thank you all !!! c u latter !
[18:54] <beatzz_> with source inside the directory
[18:54] <firebird619> beatzz_: You installed something before from SBo correct?
[18:54] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: setup a firewall on the linux machine and only allow yourself to go out and see if you have the same issue.
[18:54] <beatzz_> firebird619, yes
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[18:55] <firebird619> beatzz_: same process. again refer to slackbuilds.org/howto
[18:55] <eviljames> beatzz_: You got it.  you can even do it in 1 line: ". <pkg>.info && wget -c $DOWNLOAD && ./<pkg>.SlackBuild"
[18:55] <beatzz_> firebird619, ok i should get it then
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[18:55] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/
[18:55] <TheTrash> agentc0re|work: well, if I turn off the firewall on the router it should essentially have the same effect, yet there's no change.
[18:56] <beatzz_> wtf You don't have permission to access /~tgr/libnl/files/libnl-1.1.tar.gz on this server.
[18:56] <agentc0re|work> I thought you had the firewall off on the router?
[18:56] <beatzz_> it wont let me get the source
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[18:56] <agentc0re|work> beatzz_: are you trying to save the source in a directory that only root owns?
[18:56] <beatzz_> dont think so
[18:57] <firebird619> agentc0re|work: something's wrong with the link for it from sbo right now.
[18:57] <TheTrash> agentc0re|work: yes, I do.
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[18:58] <chopp> beatzz_: you can get the source from here: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/l/libnl/
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[18:59] <Necos> hmmm, is it possible to build nslookup w/o building all of bind? >.>
[19:00] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: What i am trying to tell you is that could be part of your problem.
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[19:00] <Cann0n> hey
[19:00] <firebird619> Hey Cann0n. How's it going>
[19:00] <firebird619> s/>/?
[19:00] <TheTrash> agentc0re|work: hm, I don't understand, you're thinking I'm getting packeted to oblivion at the moment?
[19:00] <Cann0n> i got a job! finally! just broke my 2.5 year unemployment
[19:01] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: Possibly.
[19:01] <firebird619> Cann0n: Sweet, congratulations. :)
[19:01] <Cann0n> :) so excited... just its minimum wage at a gym...
[19:01] <firebird619> hey, that's better than nothing.
[19:01] <Necos> congrats!
[19:01] <eviljames> how the hell do you manage to go 2 years unemployed?!?!
[19:02] <Cann0n> eviljames: sleeping on a lot of couches...
[19:02] <Necos> he has a really nice girlfriend? or really nice family?
[19:02] <eviljames> Cann0n: gotcha.  I need to do that :P
[19:02] <Cann0n> Necos: nice friends and families
[19:02] <Cann0n> lol eviljames
[19:03] <TheTrash> agentc0re|work: the fact that I'm getting this behaviour with and without the firewall (which is supposed to block inbound connections), from the second I'm booted up, and using the same IP in Windows doesn't show this behaviour, makes me think the chances of it being a packeting action are minimal.
[19:03] <Cann0n> my woman wont like the idea of me working at a gym while she is in the army... it gonna be tough keeping it in my pants
[19:03] <TheTrash> Is there like... some packet size or frame size I could adjust?
[19:03] <TheTrash> Maybe it's choking the gateway.
[19:03] <Necos> hahaha
[19:04] <firebird619> Cann0n: hahaha
[19:04] <d4vidc> May the daughter of Aegis-bearing Zeus bless the Slackware project because it is wisely done.
[19:04] <agentc0re|work> wtf..
[19:04] <Cann0n> O.o
[19:05] <Necos> what are you smoking, and why aren't you sharing?
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[19:05] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: ..okay wait.  Firewall on the router or windows?
[19:05] <TheTrash> router
[19:05] <Cann0n> yeah... must be that blue berry kush buddy let me smoke last night. 2 hits was 3 too many!
[19:05] <agentc0re|work> Necos: Because he smoked it all
[19:05] Action: d4vidc does not like smoking... I am just weird
[19:05] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: So did you account for the windows firewall?  is it on or off?
[19:06] <TheTrash> It's off
[19:06] <agentc0re|work> hrmm.
[19:06] <Necos> agentc0re|work: i have an issue with that goddamnit
[19:06] <Cann0n> lol
[19:06] <eviljames> haha blueberry is nice
[19:06] <chopp> allright, who in here thats a parent can top this. My oldest son had his 29th birthday today, and I also have an five year old son. :P yeah I'm old, whats it to ya
[19:06] <eviljames> But fruit punch is nicer :P
[19:07] <beatzz_> ok all, i installed libln, iw, aircrack-ng all w/ SBo and installpkg
[19:07] <beatzz_> :D
[19:07] <beatzz_> get it now i think
[19:07] <eviljames> beatzz_: booyah
[19:07] <compl3x> chopp: 5 and 29 o.0
[19:07] <beatzz_> eviljames, thanks for your patcients
[19:07] <Cann0n> eviljames: i likethat reggy shit... i like the taste and the act of smoking. that crip shit is just too much...
[19:07] <Necos> chopp: so... you waited 24 years in between kids... you could have had at least 12 more in that time... you fail
[19:07] <beatzz_> all of you who had to hear me blabber on
[19:07] <chopp> Necos: haha
[19:07] <compl3x> Necos: +1 haha
[19:07] <agentc0re|work> TheTrash: Hrm, well i'm stumped.  Might as well try a kernel upgrade.  I dunno.
[19:07] <Cann0n> beatzz_: you get it?
[19:08] <Necos> ^_^
[19:08] <beatzz_> Cann0n, i think so now, gata get file1
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[19:08] <beatzz_> Cann0n, untar, then put source in there
[19:08] <beatzz_> Cann0n,  then ./file.SlackBuild
[19:08] <agentc0re|work> Or if you don't want to touch the router, setup one of the linux boxes to be the gateway since you have all those public IP's and have your other linux box dhcp and go out from that box to see if that might solve the problem.  I dunno.
[19:08] <TheTrash> agentc0re|work: might as well, I guess. Or go the NAT route but I just found out the ISP technician accidentally took the CD with the config app and the latest firmware, and the stuff on their sit e is way too old.
[19:08] <beatzz_> Cann0n, then installpkg /tmp/file.trz
[19:09] Action: agentc0re|work is leaving work to go home.
[19:09] <eviljames> Cann0n: I'm in Canada, and I'm hooked up with crazy medical stuff :P
[19:09] <TheTrash> I have a box with a Conexant ADSL card here, I might set that up.
[19:09] <Cann0n> beatzz_: i have all the files you need in one tar.. including a crash course howto for the b43fw and ndiswrapper
[19:09] <beatzz_> c ya agent!
[19:09] <TheTrash> agentc0re|work: ok, thanks for your input.
[19:09] <beatzz_> Cann0n, i got wifi working :D
[19:09] <lf4> Urchlay: sorry lol I did not word the question correctly. If I were to past 1    2    3    4 it comes out as 1234. I'm looking for pasting the literal tab character.
[19:09] <Urchlay> pasting?
[19:09] <eviljames> Cann0n: The most recent review I got was "Stronger than Amsterdam" from a german fella.
[19:09] <compl3x> \t? I dunno :p
[19:10] <Cann0n> eviljames: lol. must be nice. now that im dating a latin/black girl, i get half off the white people price
[19:10] Action: compl3x is living in his C world again ]=
[19:10] <eviljames> hahahaha 'the white people price'
[19:10] <Urchlay> how a tab character pastes depends entirely on the app you copied it from...
[19:10] <Cann0n> damn... that amsteram sensi is cood shit from what i hear
[19:10] <lf4> Urchlay: copying say from kedit and pasting it in a terminal.
[19:10] <Cann0n> beatzz_: what route did you go?
[19:10] <Necos> it's app dependent lf4
[19:11] <Cann0n> leafpad > kedit
[19:11] <Urchlay> no idea. Have never used kedit (or the Konsole terminal very much, either)
[19:11] <lf4> Urchlay: Necos: thanks
[19:11] <beatzz_> Cann0n, switch on front inhibiting me, plus i installed firmware ans fwcutter
[19:11] <firebird619> Cann0n: leafpad is very nice.
[19:11] <lf4> Urchlay: its just a dumb question I did not know the answer to because I never used it but a co-worker asked me about that.
[19:11] Action: compl3x likes kate - cause it sounds like a girls name - however hates k - apps
[19:11] <firebird619> lol
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[19:12] <Cann0n> eviljames: its true man... i was paying 40 USD for an 8th of medium grade... my black buddy gets an ounce for 60... same shit
[19:12] <compl3x> Cann0n: maan your shitts cheap
[19:13] <knoxville> in the mirrors file do you need both the http, and ftp, or just one?
[19:13] <compl3x> Cann0n: well the black guy stuff
[19:13] <Cann0n> lol yeah i know
[19:13] <firebird619> knoxville: just one
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[19:13] <compl3x> Cann0n: tis about £160 for an ounce here
[19:13] <knoxville> thanks, first time running the slack
[19:13] <d4vidc> I am surprised so many 'Slackers' like 'the herb.'
[19:14] <knoxville> is slackpkg a good way to install packages or is there a better way?
[19:14] <compl3x> 'the herb' :p
[19:14] <Cann0n> d4vidc: it pacifies the peasants
[19:14] <d4vidc> it is good, but with SBopkg you get extra software not on the Slackware CDs
[19:15] <compl3x> knoxville: http://slackbuilds.org/ [=
[19:15] <firebird619> knoxville: slackpkg is what comes with slackware, it is a very good way.
[19:15] <Cann0n> firebird619: leafpad is my fav... other than vim. but a lot of times vim is over kill for what i need
[19:15] <firebird619> knoxville: Also check out slackbuilds.org, a place to get other stuff not included in slackware.
[19:16] <knoxville> good deal, I got it bookmarked now
[19:16] <firebird619> Cann0n: yeah, I use vim alot but use leafpad here and there for just quick stuff.
[19:16] <Necos> the black guy stuff? >.>
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[19:16] <Cann0n> same. it's so light...
[19:17] <Cann0n> Necos: it's how the world works man. racism now is worst than it was imho. people thing al muslims are terrorist... USA hates them so much
[19:18] <knoxville> do i run this slackpkg install-new to do updates for my system?
[19:18] <Cann0n> s/thing al/think all
[19:18] <eviljames> Cann0n: 60 per o = super cheap.  Even the government here doesn't sell it quite that cheap.
[19:18] <Necos> wowl ol
[19:18] <Cann0n> knoxville: slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all
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[19:18] <compl3x> Cann0n: translated to dollars its about 100 per o here
[19:18] <eviljames> Cann0n: Mind you, I'd bet what is medicine here is of very premium grade there...
[19:19] <knoxville> Cann0n, thank you sir, I knew the update one
[19:19] <Cann0n> i bet it is eviljames
[19:19] <compl3x> Cann0n: you in the USA?
[19:19] <eviljames> Cann0n: But even still, I heard that Cali was going to decrim soon?
[19:19] <Cann0n> yeah... unfortunately
[19:19] <beatzz_> Cann0n, i need to patch my drivers, where are they insalled?
[19:19] <compl3x> Cann0n: haha
[19:19] <eviljames> beatzz_: probably /lib/firmware ?
[19:19] <Cann0n> eviljames: i hear the same thing. i gotta check that out mys.lf
[19:19] Action: eviljames doesn't actually know, just guessing again.
[19:20] <Cann0n> beatzz_: eh, i have no idea to be honest. i didnt have to patch mine
[19:21] <Cann0n> compl3x: my gf is muslim. she caught shit growing up. this girl only speaks english and is in the US Army fighting for us and shit... yet cuz she grew up with a muslim dad, she is denied the same treatment cristians get
[19:21] <eviljames> Cann0n: You guys are still under federal laws, right?  3-5 years for posessions?
[19:21] <Necos> cali is decriminalizing weed, it's awesome :)
[19:22] <Cann0n> eviljames: where im at, i dunno. they semd you to jail if they test the ashes in ur ash tray and the show up as weed ashes
[19:22] <eviljames> Necos: It's a rumour at present
[19:22] <eviljames> WTF
[19:22] <Pig_Pen> weed should be every bit as legal as alcohol
[19:22] <Necos> not a rumor >.>
[19:22] <compl3x> Cann0n: thats bullshit man ]=
[19:22] <Cann0n> Pig_Pen: agreed.
[19:22] <eviljames> Cann0n: Messed up dude.
[19:22] <compl3x> Pig_Pen: +1
[19:23] <Cann0n> compl3x: yep. sure is. im non-religious so i just dont give a shit what anyone is
[19:23] <Necos> Pig_Pen: not when you make more profit from the drug trade by making it illegal
[19:23] <compl3x> Cann0n: same here
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[19:23] <compl3x> Cann0n: the only time i ever have a problem with it - is when it is forced apon me
[19:23] <Necos> iran-contra anyone?
[19:24] <chopp> beatzz_: how did you manage to accomplish this with gaybuntu? anyway http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=broadcom
[19:24] <Necos> compl3x: which unfortunately are most right-wing nutjobs in the US ;)
[19:24] <beatzz_> i will show u exactly how
[19:24] <beatzz_> i saved the tutorial
[19:24] <beatzz_> worked perfectly for me
[19:24] <compl3x> Necos: haha
[19:24] <Cann0n> same here dude. ive had people tell me i was going to hell, and wasted my time with that shit. im like, bitch! if i go i go but at least im not hurting peoples feelings... same girl spiked my cousins drink with pills that night...
[19:25] <eviljames> Cann0n: Here we have a $250 fine :(
[19:25] <beatzz_> http://hacking-library.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=4&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=e9087d38db4cbaf$
[19:25] <eviljames> Cann0n: but that's better than jail, and I've NEVER heard of someone having ashes tested
[19:25] <compl3x> eviljames: its 3 strikes and your out here - 1st is a warning , 2nd is a fine , 3rd is prison
[19:25] <Necos> i'm a buddhist, so i catch even more shit :)
[19:25] <beatzz_> chopp, http://hacking-library.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=4&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=e9087d38db4cbaf$
[19:25] <Necos> i lost count after 200 times
[19:25] <eviljames> compl3x: where?
[19:25] <compl3x> eviljames: england
[19:26] <chopp> beatzz_: nor is this slackware related support you're looking for.
[19:26] <eviljames> ahh, how many "1st warnings" can you get from different officers, though?
[19:26] <Cann0n> eviljames: its nuts in FL. in Ga, I got pulled over and caught RED HANDED and the cop yold me to have a good night.
[19:26] <compl3x> eviljames: but anything under a teenth they dont care -
[19:26] <Cann0n> s/yold/told
[19:26] <eviljames> Cann0n: I smoked in front of a police station.  Nobody cared.  Jealous?
[19:26] <eviljames> :P
[19:26] <Necos> except that's the country where the king made a church so he could get rid of his wife :)
[19:26] <Cann0n> eviljames: yes! lol
[19:27] <Cann0n> beatzz_: what are you trying to do?
[19:27] <eviljames> Mind you, the police station was in the middle of skid row, and there were junkies shooting heroin not far from where I was.  Not really a fair comparison I bet :P
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[19:27] <Necos> lol
[19:27] <eviljames> beatzz_: Note: aircrack is a contentious issue around here.  People don't mind helping you get knowledge, but "how to haxx0r into my neyyborz wifi?!?!" probably won't be tolerated.
[19:27] <beatzz_> Cann0n, trying to find out if the SBo aircrack-ng patched my driver for injection, or if i need to still
[19:27] <Cann0n> i rather get high and love than get drunk and hate.
[19:27] <eviljames> Cann0n: ++ infinity dude
[19:28] <beatzz_> eviljames, u have me misunderstood
[19:28] <Cann0n> beatzz_: didnt know aircrack had b43 support
[19:28] <Necos> getting high causes babies...
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[19:28] <Urchlay> getting drunk also causes babies
[19:28] <jeev> lol
[19:28] <eviljames> beatzz_: No, I get that you're just hunting for knowledge.
[19:28] <Necos> only if you manage to get it up before you pass out ;)
[19:28] <Urchlay> LDS, on the other hand, is pretty effective birth control (how can you have sex when she keeps melting or turning into an elephant?)
[19:28] <compl3x> yeah but getting high - hell can't even remember getting home with some shit
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[19:29] <Necos> LDS? lol
[19:29] <eviljames> Urchlay: Yeah, those Latter-Day Saints are effective birth control.  Seeing them definitely doesn't inspire me to have sex :(
[19:29] <Cann0n> Necos: lol ohhh i know that cold floor is just a rush away
[19:29] <Urchlay> err. LSD. Not trying to have a "star trek 4" reference there
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[19:29] <Cann0n> LOL
[19:29] <Necos> lol
[19:30] <Necos> goddamn Urchlay :)
[19:30] <compl3x> Catholid withdrawel is obviously the best method haha
[19:30] <beatzz_> lol indeed
[19:30] <Cann0n> but really... ive sen too many times drunken fools fighting cuz someone spelt beer or some dumb shit... look at that lady with the face transplant...
[19:30] <Necos> "the rythm method words... just ask your brother"
[19:30] <Cann0n> s/sen/seen
[19:31] <eviljames> I hear that.
[19:31] <lee555J5> Necos: you said buddhist. Where (country)?
[19:31] <Necos> s/rythm/rhythm/;
[19:31] <Necos> los angeles (US)
[19:31] <eviljames> Cann0n: Nothing makes me more saddened than seeing such a thing.
[19:31] <Pig_Pen> the lady with the face transplant is a victom of a bad husband that did a failed murder/suiscide thing
[19:31] <Pig_Pen> he shot her in the face with a shotgun
[19:32] <Necos> she tried to kill herself, didn't she?
[19:32] <Cann0n> yeah... id never touch my woman in such ways...
[19:32] <Cann0n> he was an abusive drunk.
[19:33] <Pig_Pen> i dont care how bad things get i wont go homiscideal/suiscidal, thats just crazy
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[19:33] <Cann0n> my uncle drinks beer as soon as he wakes up in the morning... no jonb... before noon he is shit faced... that depresses me. i dont drink.
[19:33] <Necos> been there, done that... survived
[19:33] <chopp> man alicedsl.de just won't give up.
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[19:33] <thumbs> Cann0n: sad to hear
[19:34] <Cann0n> Pig_Pen: look at that girl that killed herself cuz of the nude pix her bf showed everyone...
[19:34] <eviljames> chopp: It's the same guy, but he was already unbanned.
[19:34] <Cann0n> thumbs: thx
[19:34] <eviljames> gotta bounce for a bit, I'm sure I'll bbl
[19:35] <Cann0n> later eviljames
[19:35] <Pig_Pen> i have a drink in the evening and thats it, i got too many important things to do in the daytime to waste it drinking like keep a job
[19:35] <chopp> eviljames: I know it's the same guy, but the ban is still in effect.
[19:35] <compl3x> bye bye eviljames
[19:35] <firebird619> later eviljames
[19:35] <Pig_Pen> damn! killed herself over a nude photo, what a shame
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[19:35] <thrice`> Cann0n: meh, there's a million stupid drivers on the road too, but I still drive my jeep to work every day
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[19:35] <compl3x> I hate drink drivers
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[19:36] <Cann0n> thrice`: my last gf died in a single car crash... most likely due to a dui. i still drive
[19:36] <firebird619> compl3x: s/drink/drunk
[19:36] <firebird619> :P
[19:36] <thrice`> I would not avoid alcohol completely because you know one person who abuses it, I guess
[19:36] <compl3x> firebird619: no over here we say "drink drivers"
[19:36] <Cann0n> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29546030/
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[19:37] <compl3x> firebird619: cause they drink & drive -
[19:37] <firebird619> compl3x: ah, ok. sorry. :)
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[19:37] <compl3x> firebird619: just slang really
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[19:38] <firebird619> chopp: should that root-tail command you gave be able to run by normal user?
[19:38] <Cann0n> thrice`: i lived with my uncle for 3 years. and its not just one person i know. its many. i just dont like drinking. im a smoker.
[19:38] <Cann0n> Pig_Pen: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29546030/
[19:38] <Necos> drunk drivers fail >.>
[19:38] <compl3x> Cann0n: I like a few beers now and then - chillout - but bud - all the way
[19:38] <Pig_Pen> i think if i ever divorced i will gather what i can together and move where the weed is abundant and legal or almost legal, i am sick of this basakward redneck state
[19:38] <Necos> hahahaha
[19:39] <chopp> firebird619: not unless you change permissions on /var/log/messages and secure
[19:39] <Cann0n> Pig_Pen: Georgia?
[19:39] <Pig_Pen> pretty girl
[19:39] <Pig_Pen> oklahoma, just as bad
[19:39] <TheTrash> Does anyone know if and how Linux handles IPCP?
[19:39] <firebird619> chopp: yeah, that's what I thought, wanted to make sure. As root, I get: X Error of failed request:  BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
[19:39] <Cann0n> compl3x: i used to have a BIG drinking problem. that was many years ago...
[19:39] <TheTrash> In connection to DHCP and routes, specifically.
[19:40] <Cann0n> Pig_Pen: i was in that school play!
[19:40] <Necos> firebird619: what driver?
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[19:40] <firebird619> Necos: nvidia, but I'm on just nv at the moment, not the nvidia driver.
[19:40] <firebird619> Hmm, I think I know why I get that, sec.
[19:41] <Necos> ah
[19:41] <Pig_Pen> thats a shame she killed herself, so young and pretty, her whole life ahead of her, now all gone
[19:41] <firebird619> Nope, that wasn't it. :(
[19:41] <firebird619> Necos: think it'd make a difference if I switched to the nvidia driver?
[19:42] <Cann0n> Pig_Pen: yep.. sad. but shit, i wouldnt have given a shit... something is making these kids these days all... Emo.
[19:42] <thrice`> probably the MTV
[19:42] <Cann0n> lol
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[19:42] <Pig_Pen> ignorance & peer pressure
[19:43] <Cann0n> i hate drama... and it's everywhere i go...
[19:43] <kitche2> what MTV?
[19:43] <kitche2> MTV only shows music for like 4 or so hours in the morning
[19:43] <Cann0n> lol
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[19:45] <Necos> MTV shows music?
[19:45] <Cann0n> lol
[19:45] <compl3x> Apparently so
[19:45] <Necos> coulda fooled me
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[19:45] <Cann0n> its all that real tv shit... i want on that show... id be the naked guy that doesnt flush the tiolet.
[19:46] <Necos> >.>
[19:46] Action: Necos walks the other way
[19:46] <Cann0n> lol. some one tell my why all my friends are drama queens?
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[19:47] <compl3x> Cann0n: are they women?
[19:47] <Cann0n> no...
[19:47] <compl3x> hmm
[19:47] <Cann0n> it's starting to get highly annoying.
[19:48] <straterra> Then kill them
[19:48] <Pig_Pen> abandon the drama queens they feed on negativity
[19:48] <Necos> killing them would be fun
[19:48] <Necos> a lot of fun!
[19:48] <compl3x> Slackware users are messed up :p
[19:48] <Cann0n> i know... but i live with them...
[19:48] <Cann0n> lol
[19:48] <Cann0n> slackware is the greastest OS since ENIAC
[19:48] <compl3x> Cann0n: ++
[19:49] <Necos> Cann0n: well, ya see... if you want someone else to do it... ;)
[19:49] <Cann0n> lol
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[19:49] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[19:49] Action: Cann0n slips 50,000 grand and a list to Necos 
[19:49] <compl3x> Cann0n: I saw that
[19:50] <firebird619> greetings andarius. How are you?
[19:50] <Cann0n> no you didnt...
[19:50] <compl3x> reeeaaal sutttle
[19:50] <compl3x> pfft :p
[19:50] <Cann0n> lol
[19:50] <firebird619> compl3x: I saw it too. :P
[19:50] <andarius> salutations firebird619. i am well. you ?
[19:50] <firebird619> andarius: doing great, thank you. :)
[19:50] <compl3x> firebird619: keep quiet - or were next
[19:50] <Cann0n> firebird619: you stay out of this!
[19:50] <firebird619> haha
[19:50] <Cann0n> lol
[19:51] <Cann0n> i cant believe im still a dumbass at linux...
[19:51] <Cann0n> been using it for like 10 years
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[19:52] <purvesh> hey any one help me i installed first time slackware there is any gui or what or only terminal view only?? , purvesh
[19:52] <Necos> brb
[19:52] <compl3x> purvesh: startx
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[19:52] <d4vidc> Slackware is the greatest OS since the mind.
[19:53] <Cann0n> slackware killed the dinosaurs...
[19:53] <purvesh> compl3x: what is startx
[19:53] <Cann0n> purvesh: log in and type startx
[19:53] <purvesh> compl3x: it is like kde or gnome
[19:53] <compl3x> purvesh: you have install slackware right - log in when you boot up - then type startx and hit enter :)
[19:54] <purvesh> compl3x: ok
[19:54] <Pig_Pen> maybe adduser would be a better first command,
[19:54] <firebird619> yes, it would, you don't want to login as root. :P
[19:54] <purvesh> compl3x: wait
[19:54] <Cann0n> some folks need to utilize google, docs, man  pages, etc   before gotting on irc...
[19:54] <compl3x> Pig_Pen: good point
[19:54] <compl3x> assumed they had already done that :p
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[19:55] <firebird619> compl3x: an old saying I've heard, as I'm sure many have. "When you assume, you make an a$$ out of you and me." :P
[19:55] <compl3x> firebird619: assumsion is the mother of all f*ck ups
[19:55] <firebird619> haha
[19:56] <Cann0n> compl3x: lol firebird619 lol
[19:56] <firebird619> Hmm, using the nvidia driver didn't solve that issue either.
[19:56] <Cann0n> compl3x: like that time i assumed that girl was single because she was naked and in my room...
[19:56] <firebird619> Hey guys, I just heard on the radio over 70,000 HP/Compaq laptop batteries have been recalled.
[19:56] <compl3x> Cann0n: Big big mistake
[19:56] <firebird619> compl3x: hahaha
[19:56] <Cann0n> firebird619: what models?
[19:57] <firebird619> err, I mean Cann0n
[19:57] <firebird619> Cann0n: They didn't say.
[19:57] <firebird619> I'll look, sec.
[19:57] <Cann0n> i need a new battery BADLY... id build one but all i have are NiCd cells
[19:57] <firebird619> risk of catching fire. :)
[19:57] <Cann0n> lol
[19:57] <compl3x> Cann0n: need li-on?
[19:57] <firebird619> that would suck if it was on your lap.
[19:58] <Cann0n> yeah... i put rechargables in everything
[19:58] <compl3x> Cann0n: all my laptop li-on's are dead :/
[19:58] <purvesh> compl3x: there is an error no such image. [Tab] show a list
[19:59] <Cann0n> yeah... this laptop lasts 3 seconds max
[19:59] <firebird619> Cann0n: http://bpr.hpordercenter.com/hbpr/M14.aspx
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[19:59] <Cann0n> domn! R3000 arent on there :(
[20:00] <compl3x> im off - laters firebird619 and Cann0n
[20:00] <compl3x> and the rest of you
[20:00] <Cann0n> later compl3x!
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[20:00] <purvesh> compl3x: hi pls help i
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[20:00] <firebird619> Cann0n: R3000 is on a recall from 2005
[20:00] <purvesh> compl3x: i'm a new user
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[20:00] <Cann0n> firebird619: so i could get a new one still?
[20:01] <thrice`> did you install xorg ?
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[20:01] <firebird619> Cann0n: not sure: http://bpr.hpordercenter.com/hbpr/O14.aspx
[20:01] <thrice`> sorry; did you do a full installation ?
[20:01] <firebird619> Cann0n: possibly.
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[20:02] <firebird619> Cann0n: I suppose it depends on if your battery is one of the defective models.
[20:02] <dissociative> anyone knows if there's a command or a tool to render text to image files?
[20:02] <Cann0n> ima try it
[20:02] <firebird619> Cann0n: good luck
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[20:02] <Cann0n> im sure its defective... it has never worked lol
[20:02] <firebird619> haha
[20:03] <firebird619> Cann0n: right on that site you enter the model, battery #, etc. and it'll tell you.
[20:04] <firebird619> Sweet, I got that root-tail partly working.
[20:04] <purvesh> compl3x: i type startx at boot and hit enter so then  this error came "no such image. [Tab] show a list"
[20:04] <alienBOB> purvesh: you have to hit ENTER first... to boot the kernel. Then, after a minute or so, you see the login prompt. Log in there , and THEN, type startx
[20:05] <alienBOB> But... I guess you should start reading first. Your knowledge level is zero
[20:05] <Cann0n> validating
[20:05] <purvesh> ok thanx understand
[20:06] <chopp> firebird619: partly just doesn't cut it. :P
[20:06] <firebird619> chopp: I know. It put it in the upper left corner and it just flickers.
[20:06] <firebird619> chopp: I just tried root-tail /var/log/messages for the heck of it and that's what happened.
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[20:07] <purvesh> alienBOB: i have to login as a root bcz that is the only user
[20:07] <purvesh> alienBOB: then type startx
[20:07] <dartmouth> oi god.  anyone ever used a kensington expert mouse?
[20:08] <dartmouth> i've got this 'galaga' style roller ball mouse that i love but im not getting any traction between the ball and the steel rollers that move the mouse anymore, and i can't figure out a way to get it working again; the ball just spins
[20:08] <firebird619> purvesh: you login as root and then use adduser to add a user, don't use startx yet. Also, you should read  www.slackbook.org, a great resource.
[20:09] <chopp> firebird619: not sure whats going on there. I just tried my old flux startup root-tail, and it works fine.
[20:09] <d4vidc> what if you always want to be root in konsole and konqueror?
[20:09] <firebird619> chopp: :(
[20:09] <firebird619> :P
[20:10] <lf4> d4vidc: thats a scary thought.
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[20:10] <purvesh> alienBOB: how to add user pls i'm a new user in slackware
[20:10] <d4vidc> lf4: not if you move around thousands of files regularly
[20:10] <firebird619> hey lf4
[20:10] <lf4> d4vidc: true
[20:10] <lf4> hey firebird619 hows it going?
[20:10] <firebird619> purvesh: you use the adduser command, but first maybe you should read www.slackbook.org so you know what you're doing.
[20:10] <firebird619> lf4: doing great, you?
[20:11] <purvesh> alienBOB: ok i'll read first
[20:11] <lf4> I'm doing alright just got tossed on another support group at work. xP
[20:11] <firebird619> chopp: could it be the -id option? Would mine be different than what you used?
[20:12] <alienBOB> http://slackbook.org/html/essential-sysadmin.html#ESSENTIAL-SYSADMIN-USERS <- purvesh. Read the rest of the book too
[20:12] <firebird619> Cann0n: Are you validated yet? :P
[20:13] <chopp> firebird619: xdpyinfo | grep "window id"
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[20:13] <firebird619> chopp: k, thanks.
[20:13] <chopp> or xwininfo
[20:13] <firebird619> 0x188
[20:13] <purvesh> alienBOB: thanx for the link and the ask for "uid" so what i type for that
[20:14] <Pig_Pen> uid for adduser? 1000 is the defualt
[20:14] <Pig_Pen> for the first user you add to the system
[20:15] <lee555J5> purvesh: or just hit enter for next available
[20:15] <purvesh> alienBOB: ok i had seen in ur link
[20:15] <firebird619> chopp: it still flickers. :(
[20:16] <lf4> purvesh: just leave everything default and you should be alright if its the first user.
[20:16] <Urchlay> dartmouth: Galaga doesn't have a trakball, you must mean Centipede or Missile Command :)
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[20:16] <lee555J5> accept the users groups but hit the up arrow for the other groups
[20:16] <Urchlay> dartmouth: best advice I can offer you: clean the rollers thoroughly with alcohol
[20:16] <Cann0n_> opps... unplugged myself :(
[20:17] <lee555J5> purvesh: accept the rest default
[20:17] <Urchlay> bbl, apparently I'm off to make music...
[20:17] <firebird619> Cann0n: lol
[20:17] <firebird619> later Urchlay
[20:17] <dartmouth> Urchlay: that's the prob-- the rollers are *too* smooth :(
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[20:17] <purvesh> ok then hit the enter for all
[20:18] <dartmouth> im thinking about stretching those little ZOTS things all over the rollers and see how that does for a while
[20:18] <lee555J5> purvesh: yes, logout of root, login as new user, and type startx
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[20:19] <chopp> firebird619: --noflicker ?
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[20:19] <Cann0n_> firebird619: says it's not...  :(
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[20:20] <firebird619> chopp: that doesn't work either.
[20:20] <firebird619> Cann0n_: that's to bad. :(
[20:21] <chopp> firebird619: must be something with your vid driver I guess. dunno
[20:21] <Cann0n_> yeah... i was hoping to get one... i'll have to make one. now that i have a job, i could probably buy one
[20:21] <firebird619> chopp: yeah, must be something. :) Thanks.
[20:21] <Cann0n_> what video card?
[20:21] <firebird619> chopp: I redid conky now, better on the resources too.
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[20:22] <firebird619> Nvidia Geforce FX5200
[20:22] <Cann0n_> ah. never liked Nvidia :(
[20:22] <SM177Y> ok im in kind of a pickle. i encrypted some cdkeys for a game i have...put i already wiped my parition that had my gpg keys on it...i know the passphrase but i dont have my keys and its 4096 bit lol
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[20:23] <Cann0n_> SM177Y: what games?
[20:23] <XGizzmo_> SM177Y: your screwed
[20:23] <SM177Y> D2
[20:23] Nick change: Cann0n_ -> Cann0n
[20:23] <Cann0n> !!!!!!
[20:23] <SM177Y> i have it installed. im trying to find a key extractor as i think thats my only hope lol
[20:23] <Cann0n> D2 LOD?
[20:23] <SM177Y> ya :P
[20:24] <Cann0n> thats the only game i played for 5 years lol
[20:24] <SM177Y> ya i bought some new keys online for like 9.95 for classic and LOD
[20:24] <Cann0n> man... i had a bad ass wwsin with a perfect widowmaker... lvl 95...
[20:24] <SM177Y> nice :P
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[20:24] <Cann0n> SM177Y: suckage! man, id give you my old ones if i was at home.
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[20:25] <Cann0n> dunno next time i'll go up north.
[20:25] <SM177Y> i have it installed on a flash drive so i can play it anywhere. but d2 runs fine in wine and cedega and i was about to do a fresh install and realized i encrypted my original keys
[20:26] <Cann0n> yeah... did you have any problems with the between act videos?
[20:26] <purvesh> lee555J5: thanx finally gui come
[20:27] <purvesh> lee555J5: but firefox have old graphic  there is any update option
[20:27] <Cann0n> ive never played D2 on windows. lol. never got to see those cut scenes
[20:27] <Pig_Pen> why did you even bother to encrypt that crap, the government spooks dont give a damn about PC games even if they are pirated, not like you have plans to take over the world or something
[20:28] <SM177Y> i know i just felt like it haha
[20:28] <SM177Y> Cann0n. ya my cut scenes work fine
[20:28] <lee555J5> purvesh: good, yw, others helped before I did
[20:28] <Cann0n> man... that shit was my game bitd... i played that so much... damn... my wwsin was off the CHAIN! once i dueled 1vs7 and came out on top. al lvl 80+
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[20:28] <Cann0n> s/al/all
[20:29] <purvesh> lee555J5: ok but thanx it is like ubuntu linux or what?
[20:29] <Cann0n> what keys you need? just the LOD?
[20:29] <Cann0n> ...
[20:29] <Cann0n> purvesh: slackware is notihng like ubuntu.
[20:29] <firebird619> purvesh: slackware != Ubuntu
[20:29] <Cann0n> lol
[20:29] <firebird619> :P
[20:29] <lee555J5> purvesh: it's more difficult to explain packages and updates in irc. you really need to read the slackbook to update slackware itself and look at slackbuilds.org or other software updates
[20:30] <purvesh> lee555J5: i'm using ubuntu 8.10 and via virtualbox i installed in that
[20:30] <lee555J5> purvesh: ubuntu has its own package management that is nothing like slackware
[20:30] <purvesh> lee555J5: ok i
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[20:30] <SM177Y> ya just LOD
[20:31] <SM177Y> i mean i can play it
[20:31] <lee555J5> purvesh: dont even try it :)
[20:31] <SM177Y> since its installed on my flash drive
[20:31] <purvesh> lee555J5: i'l see the slackbuild
[20:31] <Cann0n> man im all antsy.. i wanna play d2 now... but i gave my wwsin away long ago... man... i had 9 asn charms with annih and asn torch...
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[20:31] <SM177Y> but i cant do a new install because my keys are encrypted with 4096bit RSA haha
[20:32] <lee555J5> purvesh: update your slackware first, then pick and choose software updates from slackbuilds.org
[20:32] <Cann0n> SM177Y: damn. wish i had my cd key with me
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[20:33] <SM177Y> im gonna try and downgrade my d2 and use this cdkey grabber i found
[20:33] <SM177Y> it only works up to 1.10 and mines patched to 1.12a
[20:33] <straterra> d2?
[20:33] <Cann0n> go to walmart and peel one
[20:33] <Cann0n> diablo 2   Starchaser
[20:33] <straterra> oh
[20:33] <straterra> lame
[20:33] <Cann0n> tab fail!
[20:33] <SM177Y> lol i dont even think they sell em at our walmart haha
[20:33] <purvesh> lee555J5: ok first update from slack book i have to read there is any command in xterm for upgrade
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[20:33] <Cann0n> probably not... used to get the battle chest set
[20:34] <firebird619> purvesh: read the slackbook. Yes, there are tools to use to update slackware.
[20:34] <SM177Y> ya\
[20:35] <SM177Y> i found a site that has keys for like 5$ but i dont wanna buy another one i got two brand new ones lol
[20:35] <SM177Y> maybe i can email the site i got em off and get em again
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[20:35] <Cann0n> probably not unles they have a validation system of some sort.
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[20:36] <Cann0n> best of luck dude. it wont be months until i get home, other wise id throw them at you
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[20:36] <SM177Y> lol well thanks anyways :P
[20:36] <Cann0n> :)
[20:37] <SM177Y> and for some reason my truecrypt doesnt work with my flash drive in slackware. i plug it into any windows machine and it works just fine
[20:38] <Cann0n> dunno. i never encrypt shit. lol
[20:38] <beatzz> Cann0n, installing wine, and its takeing a long time
[20:38] <Cann0n> maybe now i have a job and ill do the checkboox
[20:38] <beatzz> normal?
[20:38] <Cann0n> beatzz: it takes a while to compile it lol
[20:38] <beatzz> seems like its been doin the same thing for long time
[20:38] <SM177Y> beatzz: they do have slackware packages for wine so you dont have to compile if you dont want to
[20:39] <beatzz> slackpkg install wine ?
[20:39] <firebird619> Cann0n: worse than qt4? :P
[20:39] <SM177Y> lol
[20:39] <SM177Y> i dont use slackpkg
[20:39] <SM177Y> just installpkg
[20:39] <beatzz> ok
[20:40] <lee555J5> yum, ftw!
[20:40] <SM177Y> if u have the package already
[20:40] <Cann0n> firebird619: lol yeah irrc
[20:40] <beatzz> installpkg wine
[20:40] <beatzz> ?
[20:40] <firebird619> Cann0n: wow, I didn't think anything was worse than that. :P I've never installed wine.
[20:40] <Cann0n> i only use wine for music software
[20:40] <firebird619> beatzz: no
[20:40] <beatzz> installpkg -install wine ?
[20:40] <firebird619> beatzz: you don't have a wine package, what would it install?
[20:40] <straterra> beatzz: slackbook.org
[20:41] <straterra> and/or man installpkg
[20:41] <SM177Y> beatzz: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=6241&filename=wine-1.1.21-i486-1kjz.tgz&a=61377439
[20:41] <mmlj4> Cann0n: what software, may I ask?
[20:41] <SM177Y> thats the slackware tgz. right off winehq site
[20:41] <Cann0n> fruit loops, but im looking for acid pro now lol.
[20:42] <Cann0n> FL has too many bells and whistles to make simple instrumentals
[20:42] <mmlj4> hrm
[20:42] <firebird619> Cann0n: WHAT, you don't linux audio tools. :P
[20:42] <firebird619> *don't use
[20:42] <Cann0n> lmms sucks lol
[20:42] <mmlj4> firebird619: they're not friendly
[20:43] <firebird619> Cann0n: ardour?
[20:43] <Cann0n> never heard of it
[20:43] <mmlj4> I've had really a good time with audacity, both on windoze and linux
[20:43] <mmlj4> but ardour, I can't get it to make any noise, or accept any
[20:43] <firebird619> Cann0n: very, very nice.
[20:44] <mmlj4> jack is a pain
[20:44] <firebird619> I have ardour, rousegarden, ardour, lmms, audacity, and several other things installed.
[20:44] <firebird619> rosegarden
[20:44] <Cann0n> mmlj4: im not a pain in the ass!
[20:44] <mmlj4> installed? me too, lot of good that does
[20:44] Action: Cann0n = jack
[20:44] <firebird619> lol
[20:44] <firebird619> Hey jack :)
[20:45] <beatzz> SM177Y, thanks
[20:45] <SM177Y> NP
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[20:45] <Cann0n> :) best name ever!
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[20:46] <mmlj4> heh
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[20:46] <mmlj4> thanks, by the way
[20:47] <mmlj4> I've got something to say now when someone tells me I don't know jack
[20:47] <Cann0n> whats other good music creating software?
[20:47] <Cann0n> i just Dled rosegarden and ardour
[20:47] <firebird619> Cann0n: linuxsound.org
[20:47] <Cann0n> acid pro is going now
[20:47] <mmlj4> rosegarden, but again, it's about useless to me
[20:48] <Cann0n> i,ll try them all. maybe use a few different ones... i need to work on my reggae voice
[20:48] <firebird619> Cann0n: err, sorry. linux-sound.org
[20:48] <Cann0n> firebird619: much better lol
[20:48] <Cann0n> thx
[20:48] <firebird619> np
[20:49] <SM177Y> if any one's lookin to learn. I have like over 6 gigs of ebooks on every subject from beginers programming to advanced networking
[20:49] <SM177Y> http://www.angelfire.com/games6/smittywork/filelist
[20:49] <kitche2> angelfire is still around?
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[20:49] <SM177Y> took me forever to upload those too haha
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[20:50] <Guest75293> 1
[20:50] <antiwire> 2
[20:50] <Guest75293> figuring out irssi
[20:50] <Guest75293> <-- beatzz
[20:50] Nick change: Guest75293 -> beatzz
[20:51] <kitche2> umm not hard to figure out irssi works like most irc clients :)
[20:51] <agentc0re> is adour like cubase?
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[20:51] <firebird619> agentc0re: ardour's a daw.
[20:51] <agentc0re> daw?
[20:51] <mmlj4> digital aw
[20:52] <firebird619> digital audio workstation
[20:52] <firebird619> www.ardour.org
[20:52] <Cann0n> irssi is just hard cuz you dont use the mouse. Alt + # = windows, page up-down to scroll. /help
[20:53] <nooper> keyboard is a great challenge. pressing keys can be difficult
[20:53] <kitche2> I use esc + # myself
[20:53] <antiwire> I don't like irssi very much.
[20:54] <VampirePenguin> i dont either antiwire i use weechat
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[20:54] <VampirePenguin> does horizontal and verical splits and easier window navigation
[20:54] <antiwire> the irssi home page is hilarious right now
[20:54] <antiwire> omfg.
[20:55] <kitche2> I prefer ii but meh don't feel like trying to figure out the perfect size
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[20:55] <antiwire> It sounds like someone gave out the password. GG....
[20:55] <agentc0re> firebird619: can it do stuff like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=Jp2tiP4v1Xc ?
[20:55] <antiwire> That's a pretty sad situation
[20:56] <kitche2> antiwire: umm not really I believe on ircnet youjust need ops which someone did get but then again this is why ops should never be ops all the time either
[20:56] <antiwire> right, a sad situation.
[20:56] <agentc0re> Oh, ouch.
[20:56] <firebird619> agentc0re: I'm looking, sec. :)
[20:56] <antiwire> That's hilarious
[20:56] <agentc0re> firebird619: heh, beware the song is addicting :P
[20:57] <kitche2> but seemslike they restored it as well
[20:58] <kitche2> most have gotten a operator to give it back to them
[20:58] <antiwire> It says it was a social eng. attack....so who failed?
[20:58] <antiwire> lol
[20:58] <firebird619> agentc0re: that is a neat song. :P. Ardour can do stuff like that too.
[20:59] <Cann0n> what else is useful software? lol
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[21:00] <Cann0n> i love software that make windows users aw in fancy
[21:00] <antiwire> hey everyone, don't drive into a cactus patch http://warnet.ws/news/30615
[21:00] <antiwire> you'll be hating life
[21:01] <dartmouth> hey everyone, antiwire is a girl scout!
[21:01] <agentc0re> OUCH
[21:01] <agentc0re> fail!
[21:01] <antiwire> dartmouth: how's that kernel coming? did you finally figure out how to use menuconfig?
[21:01] <antiwire> need a tut?
[21:01] <firebird619> hahaha, ouch indeed.
[21:01] <straterra> dartmouth: you never emailed me your config
[21:02] <dartmouth> haha fu I had it figured out, I just broke my alsa for a bit; i needed to patch my fglrx for the newer kernel
[21:02] <dartmouth> straterra: i lost your email address along with my motivation lol
[21:02] <straterra> But not your virginity o.O
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[21:02] <dartmouth> plus man, i dunno, i think the reason you and i get along so well is because you're way over there and im way over here
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[21:02] <dartmouth> LOL
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[21:03] <dartmouth> im j/k;  what all did you want?
[21:03] <dartmouth> lspci + my .config?
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[21:16] <agentc0re> Necos: I'm think of you in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LLRk3_nogo&NR=1 :P
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[21:25] <eviljames> I have yet to watch flight of the conchords
[21:25] <eviljames> good?
[21:26] <agentc0re> i've never watched an episode either.
[21:27] <agentc0re> heh.
[21:27] <agentc0re> They played live here earlier this month but tickets sold out quickly and were way too expensive when resold.
[21:27] <agentc0re> like $250 to $300 for a ticket.
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[21:28] <ananke> you ought to watch it. it's a very funny show
[21:29] <agentc0re> I don't have cable.
[21:29] <agentc0re> i guess i could look for it on hulu or as a torrent.
[21:29] <ananke> rent it
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[21:32] <bhodgins> ha. be my first time in all the years I've run a server I'm opening mysql outside of the local system, unfortunately its being a you know what
[21:33] <bhodgins> how is everyone?
[21:35] <firebird619> I'm good, how are you bhodgins
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[21:37] <EuroTrash> agentc0re: eventually I managed to set up my router for a NAT environment and all seems to be well, including the payment terminal... and I guess I can live without the public IPs anyway.
[21:38] <EuroTrash> One interesting thing is that the initial setup used IPCP to share certain routing aspects with dhcp clients.
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[21:38] <agentc0re> EuroTrash: You don't have to live with out them, if you need machines to have them you just use a 1to1 nat.  Map public to private ip.
[21:38] <EuroTrash> But since the router itself didn't go into detail about it and there's not a lot about its practical use with Linux, I figured it was a waste of time eventually.
[21:39] <EuroTrash> Yeah, I guess that's still an option, if the bloody router cooperates.
[21:39] <EuroTrash> Random advice: NEVER get an Alcatel/Thomson Speedtouch.
[21:40] <EuroTrash> They're outright hostile to technical people.
[21:40] <agentc0re> EuroTrash: If you want, take a look at http://untangle.com I use it for my work router.  You would just turn the dsl modem back into a gateway and then make a untangle router.
[21:40] <EuroTrash> I'll take a look, thanks.
[21:40] <EuroTrash> I still have that ADSL PCI card.
[21:41] <EuroTrash> Could build it into one of those Neoware thin clients, I guess.
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[21:43] <antiwire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqLPHrCQr2I
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[21:43] <antiwire> that's awesome
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[21:47] <nbuonanno> hey, if i pastebin my wicd -f output, would anyone be willing to take a look at it?
[21:48] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.54.22: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: cyrus-sasl | Everyone bow down to the new txz format!!
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[21:48] <beatzz> :)
[21:49] <beatzz> so whatsup all!?
[21:49] <beatzz> i dont have any question
[21:49] <beatzz> just wana chill with you all :)
[21:49] <antiwire> You got your wifi and irssi all sorted out and now you can chill.
[21:49] <thrice`> beatzz: wifi working? ;)
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[21:50] <beatzz> yes
[21:50] <beatzz> works pro
[21:50] <beatzz> aircrack works
[21:50] <antiwire> thrice`: kill switch
[21:51] <beatzz> i know how to use SBo now
[21:51] <antiwire> no joke
[21:51] Action: antiwire slaps beatzz with a large trout
[21:51] <beatzz> well, that and i had to install fwcutter / firmware
[21:51] <beatzz> but now thanks to you guys
[21:51] <beatzz> im so happy
[21:51] <thrice`> aha, killswitch :>
[21:51] <beatzz> its been years ive been trying to use slack
[21:52] <beatzz> and i now feel like its possible
[21:52] <beatzz> gana restart and set a bios password
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[22:03] <hitest> greetings:)
[22:03] <firebird619> greetings hitest
[22:04] <Ivo> greetings all
[22:04] <hitest> hi firebird619:)  how are you?
[22:04] <hitest> hi Ivo
[22:04] <firebird619> hitest: doing very well, thanks, you?
[22:04] <hitest> pretty good, firebird619.......I'm on beer #3
[22:05] <edman007> ohh, interesting, slackboy is not the only one wearing his ops today
[22:05] <firebird619> what's your goal, beer #5...#10?
[22:05] <hitest> lol
[22:05] Action: edman007 waves to firebird619 
[22:05] <firebird619> hey edman007. How are you?
[22:05] <hitest> I may stop at #4
[22:05] <edman007> firebird619, it would be better with beer
[22:06] <edman007> assuming i can write reports with beer...
[22:06] <firebird619> maybe hitest has an extra beer he can give to ya.
[22:06] <Ivo> I'm on coca cola, and I'm going to school after 2 hours, it's 5 in the morning, I haven't been sleeping this night because I didn't want to sleep. Any problems with slackware? I'll help you
[22:06] <hitest> no problem
[22:06] <edman007> hitest, yea, give me beer
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[22:06] <edman007> are you near NYC?
[22:06] <hitest> edman007, I'll e-mail it as an attachment-------->beer.belch
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[22:07] <firebird619> lol
[22:07] <edman007> i don't want your belch
[22:07] <hitest> sorry
[22:07] <Ivo> come on? no one's got problems with slackware? it's a very good distro
[22:07] <edman007> i will produce my own!
[22:07] <firebird619> beer.drink?
[22:07] <Ivo> any questions?
[22:07] <edman007> firebird619, i would prefer `mknod /dev/beer`, devices don't have to have a limit like files
[22:08] <jeev> you guys are wack
[22:08] <jeev> /dev/icecream
[22:08] <jeev> is better.
[22:08] <agentc0re> Oohh, a Beer float!
[22:08] <firebird619> edman007: there ya go. good idea.
[22:08] <jeev> dd if=/dev/icecream of=/dev/mouth bs=1scoop
[22:08] <firebird619> jeev: go have a root beer float then. :p
[22:08] <Ivo> create a udev event that will create a device /dev/beer when beer is pluged in
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[22:08] <jeev> root and beer suck
[22:09] <jeev> unless if it's root on a really fast server with unlimited bandwidth
[22:09] <edman007> jeev, i think you got your logic backwards
[22:09] <jeev> i dont think so
[22:10] <hitest> edman007: I will have your beer delivered to your doorstep by my cheerleaders......er associates:)
[22:10] <edman007> are they female?
[22:10] <hitest> yes
[22:10] <firebird619> :O you're lucky edman007
[22:10] <edman007> great, they can stay a while and help me drink it
[22:10] <hitest> lol
[22:11] <edman007> of course that may mean i will need LOTS of beer
[22:11] <hitest> a beer truck is coming
[22:11] <jeev> beer is wack
[22:12] <Ivo> I've drunk/eat something buggy that doesn't allow me to sleep  :(
[22:12] <Ivo> /etc/i_wanna_sleep is configured to false :(
[22:12] <edman007> hitest, great, got the tracking number? GPS? anything i can do to verify this information?
[22:12] Action: edman007 drinks more caffeine
[22:13] <Ivo> I don't drink coffee.. that's the strange thing
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[22:13] <edman007> Ivo, want some? i got a case i diet coke, case of powerade, and a case of yoohoo, and i got 20 single servings of fruit loops and 20 boxes of pop tarts
[22:13] <edman007> s/case i/case of/
[22:13] <hitest> beerz are better for you than coffee.....all natural ingredients:-)
[22:13] <Ivo> it may work.. :)
[22:14] <Ivo> any other beer drinkers here?
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[22:15] <Ivo> there aren't any... that's good.. alcohol sucks :)
[22:15] <hitest> edman007:  I can give you the tracking information......please send me your credit card information to set-up a beer delivery account.
[22:16] <edman007> hitest, Amex number 378734493671000
[22:16] <edman007> on some systems that number will actually go through too
[22:17] <Ivo> BTW networkmanager on slackware rocks!
[22:17] <hitest> edmma007: okay.....no problem, buddy, all set-up.  Beer account set-up.  So do you want Bud or imported?
[22:17] <edman007> imported
[22:18] <hitest> done
[22:18] <edman007> sweet
[22:18] <edman007> when will it arrive?
[22:19] <hitest> ah...........real soon:)
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[22:20] <hitest> tonight
[22:20] <edman007> hitest, i don't hear any cheerleaders :(
[22:20] <hitest> lol
[22:20] <hitest> we had a flat tire
[22:20] <hitest> they're coming
[22:20] <firebird619> lol
[22:21] Action: edman007 cries
[22:21] <antiwire> a bunch of cheerleaders coming huh?
[22:21] Action: firebird619 hands edman007 a tissue to wipe the tears. :P
[22:21] <Ivo> lol.. no problems with slackware anyone? and I have nothing to do? I'll study.. for the first time from months :D
[22:21] <antiwire> that sounds like a party
[22:22] <edman007> antiwire, a bunch of soon to be drunk cheerleaders
[22:22] <twolf> where is the drunken cheerleaders?
[22:23] <edman007> twolf, secret
[22:23] <hitest> wait a bit......tire repaired......they need your address, edman007
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[22:23] <edman007> hitest, ::1
[22:23] <hitest> okay
[22:23] <hitest> np
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[22:24] <hitest> I'll shut-up now before I get kicked;)
[22:25] <edman007> nooo
[22:25] <hitest> I was kidding
[22:25] <hitest> shhhhhhhh
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[22:27] <edman007> hitest, i'm not
[22:28] <Urchlay> wish I could find the guy who invented the guitar capo, and strangle him...
[22:28] <edman007> Urchlay, wrong channel, you want #time-machines
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[22:28] <Urchlay> I'm sure if I owned a time machine, it would run Slackware
[22:28] <hitest> edman007: :-)
[22:29] <Urchlay> possibly slackware 25.0, from far in the future
[22:29] <Ivo> try searching wikipedia for guitar capo
[22:30] <Urchlay> this woman can't tell me the chords... as far as she's concerned, she's playing G, B minor... with a capo at 2nd fret, so it's really A, C# minor
[22:31] <Urchlay> I can figure it out OK, but not instantaneously
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[22:33] <raela> how do I play a dvd? I know I have a dvd drive, but I've never used it for a movie before.. mplayer dvd:// did not work
[22:34] <Ivo> install SMPlayer from slacky, insert the DVD and open with SMPlayer in KDE/or open SMPlayer and get it to read the dvd
[22:34] <Urchlay> ugh, slacky
[22:34] <Ivo> or see man mplayer
[22:35] <raela> mplayer opened it then flew through the whole thing in less than 5 seconds and closed
[22:35] <Hakudoshi> mplayer works just fine
[22:35] <Urchlay> or install http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libdvdcss/ and run xine
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[22:35] <Urchlay> raela: give it a track number: mplayer dvd://1 (or 2, or whatever. Install "lsdvd" to be able to find which track is the actual movie)
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[22:36] <Urchlay> or build a recent mplayer snapshot with dvdnav support, to see the DVD menus
[22:36] <raela> says it can't find /dev/dvd. I used /dev/sr0
[22:40] <davimint> hi all, anyone hacked out a new upgrade.txt for current with the new txz package format
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[22:43] <rworkman> davimint: upgrade the few packages still in tgz format first :)
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[22:48] <davimint> understand I need to get the new packages like xz, but how does upgrade --install-new *.txz remove the orginal *.tgz packages
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[22:50] <nachox> night all
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[22:52] <Urchlay> far as I understand it, upgradepkg removes the old package before installing the new, *regardless* of the compression type
[22:52] <rworkman> davimint: you don't need to.  The packages weren't rebuilt - if the changelog doesn't mention an update, then it's the same as it was when it was tgz
[22:52] <Urchlay> if the old package was foobar.tgz, it just removes by the name "foobar"
[22:53] <Hakudoshi> removepkg Urchlay
[22:54] <davimint> thanks :)
[22:54] <Urchlay> I'm like aaa_base, you better not try that...
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[22:56] <rworkman> Won't matter. :)
[22:56] <XGizzmo> aaa_elflibs is the one you dont want to fool with.
[22:57] <Urchlay> never piss off the magical elves
[22:57] <Hakudoshi> and their libs
[22:58] <Urchlay> before Elven Lib, the elves couldn't vote or get paid the same as a human
[23:00] <juice> hehe
[23:03] <Urchlay> got aaa_base and aaa_elflibs blacklisted in slackpkg config... just in case
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[23:04] <Urchlay> also the kernel, its modules, and headers... probly don't have to worry about it unless I decide to run -current though
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[23:09] <edman007> bad andarius, why does he have a typo in his quit message
[23:10] <hitest> heh
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[23:46] <juice> hmm mpeg4ip vs libmp4v2 what is the main difference?
[23:47] <juice> hmm n/m think I se
[23:47] <juice> e
[23:47] <eross> i find slackware as a gui desktop a little daunting from a developer's (as in apps, games, web/java, etc) perspective, I mean yea.. I can put all the stuff in but when it comes time for updates, how do I approach that? how many dozens of dependencies do I have to work with, for example.. gtk+ requires pango, and glib.
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[23:49] <BP{k}> eross: slackpkg(8) handles them pretty flawlessly
[23:49] <firebird619> Hey BP{k}, how are you?
[23:49] <BP{k}> firebird619: tired, but allright.
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[23:55] <dissociative> is there is a X app that can I use for spell checking?
[23:56] <danc3> openoffice?
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