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[00:11] hows the channel been these days? anything exciting going on...i see its very quiet most of the time ;) [00:11] i also read somethin about 13.1 ;) being out...etc...etc..... [00:12] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:12] The-Croupier, always something brewin'...:D [00:12] ;) thats the way it should be ;) [00:13] i got a question...how can one find the owner of a building in the us ??? [00:13] well, in california to be specific [00:13] The-Croupier: county clerk's office [00:13] The-Croupier: each property is taxed...and property tax records are public record... [00:14] ohhh i see... ;) so with the address of someone you can find out who owns it ;) nice one [00:14] The-Croupier: exactly [00:14] thanks bro ;) [00:15] The-Croupier: i helped one of my former employers take over properties with those records [00:15] do you have access to it mate? [00:16] i need to find the owner of one property... [00:16] The-Croupier: often, those records aren't online [00:16] The-Croupier: usually, one must go to the clerk's office [00:16] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:16] damn man...i need this guys name and phone number like till tomorrow night [00:16] jewbacca: i will tomorrow then [00:16] thanks for the info, its nice to know [00:17] The-Croupier: not a problem [00:17] there are lots of things around here im trying to get used to...where to find information, where to buy electronic stuff apart from bestbuy, ebay,craigslist [00:17] The-Croupier: keep in mind, though, those property records may only give you a name...phone numbers are usually not updated after the purchase of that property [00:17] ...etc... [00:18] The-Croupier: what part of cali are you in? [00:18] jewbacca: yeah...i think this guy owns the place for some years now...so i dont think he would have changed the number recently...but even though...there might be a way to get in contact with him [00:18] san diego [00:18] The-Croupier: marine corps? [00:18] ?! [00:19] The-Croupier: a lot of people who relocate to san diego do so with the military [00:19] The-Croupier: there's a major usmc base there [00:19] ohhh i see...no i am the exception [00:20] im here on holidays, but i am thinking ...still.....if i really want to go back ;) [00:20] The-Croupier: heh [00:20] The-Croupier: i'm on the other coast [00:21] ive been here for like nearly 3weeks now [00:21] no idea what or where the other coast is ;) [00:21] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:21] The-Croupier: new york [00:21] alisonken1noc: greetings [00:21] nice, i landed there ;) [00:21] The-Croupier, greetings to you as well [00:21] The-Croupier: a lot of people land here [00:21] The-Croupier: myself included [00:22] wazup wazup with you today??? [00:22] jewbacca: ;) lol [00:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:23] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:26] new york is gay [00:27] jeev: why? [00:27] i dont know [00:27] new yorkers think they're the shit [00:27] but they're just shit [00:27] Celtics rule [00:27] cant believe cavs lost [00:27] i can... [00:27] i dont care, as long the gay local lakers lose [00:27] i'm tired of laker fans [00:27] bbiab [00:27] i was a celtics fan since the first time i came to us [00:28] it seems jeev is bitter that his city isn't the center of american culture [00:29] which one is that? [00:30] go celtics [00:31] The-Croupier, did you keep up with Panathinaikos back in Greece? [00:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:32] MLanden: what do you mean...i was a panathinaikos fun ;) [00:32] thats another reason why i liked the celtics ;) they are green ;) [00:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:32] The-Croupier, was wikiin' the Greek league and seein' the similarity..:D [00:33] MLanden: they always do ;) [00:33] they were european basketball champions as well ;) [00:34] Celtics are the best so far, i love their game...really fancy stuff...and really intense most of the time ;) [00:38] The-Croupier, did you get a chance to see Dominique Wilkins play with 'em? [00:38] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] MLanden: no man, i been around here only for the last 3 weeks [00:39] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. 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[00:45] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-166-129.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] sudo kill -9 pid [00:48] usr13: try mysql then tab tab...to see what options you get ;) [00:48] you might be amazed ;) [00:50] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:50] nesv (nesv@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [00:50] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:50] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:51] |Slacker| (~cris@189.65.25.145) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:51] The-Croupier (Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [00:52] njathan (~cb734f36@gateway/web/freenode/x-frvskzwbhmdqtkvh) joined ##slackware. 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[01:15] MarkT- (1000@S010600248c3ee38b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:17] fhobia, raiden's realm is one I frequent from time to time [01:17] cool, i'll check it out [01:22] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [01:25] njathan (~cb734f36@gateway/web/freenode/x-frvskzwbhmdqtkvh) left irc: Quit: Page closed [01:26] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:26] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:27] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.191.65) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [01:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:34] njathan (~cb734f36@gateway/web/freenode/x-hgahtxoqshktxmyv) joined ##slackware. [01:34] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:35] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:38] ViN86 (ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-TWO-FORTY-ONE.MIT.EDU) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:38] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:39] my just installed slackware 13.0 does not detect any wireless networks... any pointers? [01:39] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:40] check out the scripts /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 and /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless [01:40] oh [01:40] well, it may dependon whether you are using kde [01:40] maybe there is some NetworkManager or something [01:40] fhobia, yes i am using kde... and i have installed wicd [01:40] ok, someone else will have to help then [01:41] i'm not familiar with those at all [01:41] K_Wolf (~wolf@unaffiliated/k-wolf/x-7126789) joined ##slackware. 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[02:04] mmlj4 (~jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:09] first thing I would do [02:09] ifconfig wlan0 up [02:09] (or whatever your wireless nic is called) [02:10] iwlist scan [02:10] if that doesn't work [02:10] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:10] dmesg|tail or so, for errores [02:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:12] argh, must sleep [02:12] njathan: hope that helps [02:14] njathan (~cb734f36@gateway/web/freenode/x-umboayhouavpsypi) left irc: Quit: Page closed [02:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:15] njathan (~cb734f36@gateway/web/freenode/x-xffspfqyvxyjdcrn) joined ##slackware. [02:15] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:16] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] iceheart (~root@112.84.28.224) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:21] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-106.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] If your network card worked fine, use wicd is very simple, just run wicd-client. [02:23] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:23] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:23] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:28] threre's also a tui wicd in last slackware pack [02:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:29] You can call it by wicd-curses. Nice to use as the gui one. [02:33] Niccke (~Nick0@ip-41-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] iceheart (~root@112.84.28.224) joined ##slackware. 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[02:58] guys.... iwconfig tells me that wireless interface has been detected... but wicd does not find my network.... any pointers? (card is bcm4312, broadcom-sta is installed) [02:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:59] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:00] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [03:00] hey guys [03:00] say is there a Chromium pack for Slack? [03:00] morning [03:00] Action: adrien hugs njathan [03:00] njathan: which kernel? [03:01] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-145-139.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Night! [03:03] I was hoping this slack pack would work but can't get it to run on the x64 beta1 [03:03] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-13.0/network/google-chrome/5.0.375.38/ [03:03] ne7work (~ne7work@78.83.153.108) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:03] I run it and get this /usr/bin/google-chrome: line 33: /opt/google/chrome/chrome: No such file or directory [03:04] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [03:04] slackbuilds.org? [03:04] found out this is line 33: exec -a "$0" "$PROGDIR/chrome" "$@" [03:04] not that's from Google's site [03:04] not/no... [03:04] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxChromiumPackages [03:04] we do not provide support for slacky.eu packages [03:04] actually we advise against them [03:05] ahh what's wrong? [03:05] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.54) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:05] especially since you're running slackware 13.1 beta1 and the packages are unlikely to be updated for that one [03:05] so anything bad about slacky.eu packages? [03:05] imho, main problem is that the compilation environment does not match the runtime environment [03:06] hmm [03:06] slackware 13.1 beta1 is definitely not slackware 13.0 [03:06] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [03:06] so is there a Chromium pack that will run on .1 beta? [03:06] i am compiling php. please forgive my ignorance of gnu-utils, but ./configure is telling me that --host=[anything i put here] is an invalid host type. same thing for --target. in --build= i put $ARCH and that worked. any ideas [03:07] no idea, create one and share it? it's not hard [03:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:07] actually, there is http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/google-chrome/ [03:07] but it's chrome, not chromium [03:08] (it's a repackage) [03:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:09] and that's 13.0 too [03:09] .deb ahhh [03:09] maybe https://svn.coredumb.net/filedetails.php?repname=Coredumb&path=%2FSlackbuilds%2Ftrunk%2Fchromium%2Fchromium.SlackBuild&rev=37&peg=37 [03:09] it looks like a clean slackbuild but I haven't tested it [03:10] oh well not into building just was hoping there was a pkg [03:10] thx [03:10] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:11] guys, i swear i'm not a troll, please help :D [03:12] thanks adrien [03:12] later [03:12] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [03:12] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.41.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:13] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Niccke (~Nick0@ip-41-61-179-93.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:16] latemus: what do you use for --host? and why do you use --host at all? [03:16] and --target and --build are used for cross-compilation which you most probably don't want to touch [03:16] sunzu (~sunzu@pD9ED3606.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] what is cross-compilation and how does it work? [03:18] if anyone sees njathan again, can he ask him which kernel he's running? I have troubles with the same chipset (bcm4312): works with 2.6.29 and the broadcom-provided driver but not with 2.6.{32,33,34} which are supposed to handle this chipset [03:18] slava_dp: cross-compilation is simply having a compiler generate code for another platform than the one it's running on [03:19] I cross-compile to windows 32 and 64 from slackware 64, it's much nicer than having to (try to) setup everything on windows (and fail :-) ) [03:19] you compile stuff for windows from linux?? o_O [03:20] of course =) [03:20] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [03:20] I've cross-compiled webkit-gtk and ran midori that way :P [03:20] because if i dont specify --host and --build, then says "--prefix=/usr is not a valid host type" [03:21] as if configure is assuming whatever option i list first is --build [03:21] but you can also cross-compile to linux 32 while running on linux 64, you can also cross-compile to arm*, mips*, ... =) [03:21] latemus: you looked at slackware's slackbuilds? [03:24] gartt (~gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:25] adrien, nice. i'm gonna have to read up on that. [03:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:26] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:27] grazymax (~grazymax@host178-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:30] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:31] slava_dp: with autotools-based build systems and with the cross-compile toolchain in your path, you only need to pass --host (--target is used for cross-compilers themselves iirc) and you'll be cross-compiling [03:31] yes, the slackbuild for php specifies no host or target [03:31] with other build systems, it depends: iirc cmake works quite well but not always [03:31] latemus: why don't you use the slackbuild and change what you need? [03:32] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-153-214.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:32] I have a question that might sound stupid [03:32] cause its about 300 lines and i only want like two options [03:32] so edit it [03:32] if I download Slackware 13 now, is there a method for upgrading to 13.1 without having to reinstall it [03:32] ? [03:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.52.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:33] tsccof, of course there is. [03:33] man slackpkg [03:33] slava_dp: do I point it to a 13.1 mirror and run clean system, install new, upgrade all, etc? [03:33] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:33] update; upgrade-all; install-new; clean-system [03:34] then read all the docs in the 13.1 tree for hints and caveats. [03:34] I don't know if the notes have been updated though: there is a catch with how partitions are named: if they used to be called "/dev/hdaX", now they're called "/dev/sdYZ" so you'd have to edit /etc/fstab' [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.88.51) joined ##slackware. [03:34] (or read the docs first) [03:34] slava_dp: thank you very much, I am going back to Slack [03:34] install-new before upgrade-all, no? [03:34] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:34] adrien, I do upgrade-all first. shouldn't matter. [03:35] signal11 (esteban@68.110.131.118) joined ##slackware. [03:35] yeah, nitpicking ;-) [03:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:36] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-113.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:38] heh, you can also cross-compile for the Atari 800 and Commodore 64 [03:38] wouldn't bother trying to build Firefox for those platforms though [03:38] that's useful [03:38] well, it's fun at least [03:39] latemus (~latemus@c-67-186-209-243.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:39] signal11 (esteban@68.110.131.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:39] also once found a Z80 cross compiler you could use to compile code & run it on a Pac-Man arcade machine [03:40] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [03:40] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Client Quit [03:41] main problems are (inline) assembly (that's a problem whenever you port to a new platform) and build systems which compile something and then try to run it [03:41] obviously, if it's cross-compiled too, it won't run on the current platform [03:41] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:42] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [03:44] linux kernel has HOSTCC and CC [03:44] latemus (~latemus@c-67-177-8-122.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:44] always wondered about all the gnu autoconf stuff... ./configure scripts that build & try to run test binaries [03:45] (I guess a lot of the tests in a configure script just try to compile/link something & see if it worked, but not actually run the result) [03:50] afaik the linux kernel is not really made to be cross-compiled, of course it works but it's not very nice to do [03:50] well, afaik, you can use your own tests in autotools so it depends [03:51] when you cross-compile, autotools won't try to run: it'll try to compile, maybe link but it'll skip running the tests (I think it actually says so when running ./configure) [03:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:52] unless someone defines a dumb test (hard-coded to run something) I suppose [03:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:52] will that encrypted lvm described in this: break if the kernel will be upgraded [03:52] you'll have to regenerate your initrd. [03:53] the partition will stay there, but to access it you need an initrd. [03:53] hmm [03:54] why there is no crypt support in the stock initrd [03:54] there is no stock initrd :D [03:55] can that initrd regeneration be somehow automated [03:55] yes. [03:55] mkinitrd ought to handle it [03:55] there is /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [03:56] which works pretty well. [03:56] i love linux kernel... [03:56] "Hey, you are totally cool." USA [03:56] "The endowments of your fine personality seem very much appealing for the person of my own." UK [03:56] HAHA [03:57] was not it fan? :( [03:57] I thought it was fan [03:57] fan pl0x [03:57] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:57] okay sorry. [03:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:58] Action: slava_dp redirects tsccof to #slackware-offtopic :-) [04:00] slava_dp, He made it there, but, fwiw, it's ##slackware-offtopic <----- two # [04:00] :) [04:01] does it look like I care? :-) [04:01] okay,okay. next time :) [04:01] nope, it sure doesn't. :) [04:01] I knew it was double #, though [04:02] tsccof, yeah, you've been there before, just with a different nick. [04:02] btw, why two # [04:02] ? [04:02] fire|bird: glad you remember it :D [04:02] cause three is not allowed [04:02] i only join official offtopic channels [04:02] why not one? [04:03] tsccof, # denotes an official channel, ##slackware-offtopic isn't an official channel of any sort, thus two # [04:03] question: is ###channel the official ##channel channel or he unofficial #channel channel [04:03] lol [04:03] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [04:03] why not #slackware? [04:03] lmao [04:04] ohhh [04:04] joining #slackware requires an invitation [04:04] so that is for developers only? [04:04] It's top secret. :o [04:04] vinegaroon (~sam@119.224.14.130) joined ##slackware. [04:05] mancha, Well, as far as ##slackware-offtopic goes, we usually call it the officially unofficial offtopic channel. ;) [04:05] it's actually the official channel of the church of subgenius [04:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:05] aye! [04:06] Urchlay, is it? [04:06] hey taphophobia|glazieries [04:06] err, Urchlay [04:08] hey, discriminates|gamma [04:08] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:08] slava_dp: how would I know? I haven't been invited to the channel... [04:09] that chan was founded by christel [04:11] "Produce a report with paints linux as a haven for malware/spam authors and we'll bundle your antivir in all OEM Windows, okay?" [04:11] seem plausible? [04:11] sure [04:11] s/with/which [04:12] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:14] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.102) joined ##slackware. [04:15] ok it is mid may and no announcement yet from google...i am expecting an announcement of the opening up of a codec... [04:15] Morn [04:16] mancha, they are enjoying it in private. [04:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:16] morning Zordrak [04:17] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-215-224.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:22] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-153-214.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[04:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:33] Azeotrope, you can tar up one installation and untar it on another computer, you'll just have to prepare the disk and write lilo. [04:33] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [04:33] sorry for the cask, I was just having fun. [04:34] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [04:34] no problem [04:35] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] another one: if i have a domain, what can I do to have my computer azeotrope@domain.com [04:35] you mean azeotrope.domain.com [04:36] just make an entry in the dns [04:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:37] and if i want my terminal to show azeotrope@domain.com i have to change my computers name? [04:38] man hostname [04:38] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.62.235) joined ##slackware. [04:39] Azeotrope: you mean your bash prompt? [04:39] yep [04:39] man bash [04:39] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:39] ok. thanks [04:39] look for PS1 [04:39] thats the variable you need to set [04:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:44] vim /etc/profile [04:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:50] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Urchlay: re cross-compile: icu (required for webkit-gtk) tries to run the icu-config binary, so yeah, hard-coded dumbness =) [04:55] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[06:08] >.< [06:08] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:09] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=2%3E%261 [06:09] Azeotrope: ever heard of search engines? there is this company "Google" who offers quite a nice one! [06:09] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [06:09] i'm reading about it now [06:09] not about google, i knew that before [06:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:12] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:14] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:18] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:19] Noble (~root@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:20] Noble (~root@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [06:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[06:47] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [06:52] anyone an idea why "who am i" wouldn't return any value inside of screen? [06:53] pprkut: 1. I didnt know you could do that, 2. it works for me in screen [06:54] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [06:54] ahh.. who $ARG1 $ARG2 is presumed to be "who -m" [06:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:58] Zordrak: it get's weirder. It works for other users, but for the one I am using currently :( [06:58] s/but/but not/ [06:58] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [06:59] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:01] hmm, looks like the terminal opened by screen has weird permissions [07:02] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [07:02] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:02] hm [07:03] if it helps, screen seems to bypass my bash profile so my aliases dont work [07:03] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Zordrak, define "shell -bash" in .screenrc [07:04] and your profile will work [07:05] right [07:05] not something ive looked into deeply [07:05] i only use it for irssi and occasionally an rsync [07:05] I also have a blue hardstatus line at the bottom in screen that shows my tabs [07:06] makes it look like a tabbed terminal :) [07:06] fadein (~Erik@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [07:07] http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Using_GNU_Screen <-- for the hardstatus line config [07:12] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:13] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:13] fadein (~Erik@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:14] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:14] fadein (~Erik@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [07:15] LunaLane (abc@41.236.13.199) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:15] apparently the terminal used by screen doesn't appear in the output of who [07:15] pprkut, use a login shell ^^ [07:15] that would explain why "who -m" returns nothing [07:15] slava_dp: investigating :) [07:15] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.61) joined ##slackware. [07:16] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-143-21.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [07:17] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [07:17] hi all. i'm using slackware64-current. i have no xorg.conf so X configures itself. how can i know what video driver it is using (radeon or radeonhd) ? [07:17] Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log. [07:17] Though it's almost certainly radeon [07:18] i have an ATI 4670. (r600) [07:18] Certainly gonna be radeon :-) [07:18] s/Certainly/Still/ [07:19] lshal | grep driver [07:19] xiaodong (~xiaodong@114.246.251.233) joined ##slackware. [07:19] UNless I'm mistaken, that does't list the Xorg driver in use. [07:19] rly? [07:19] tooly (~tooly@e178147126.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:19] ok it's "radeon" [07:20] Zordrak: Well here it just lists kernel drivers, not Xorg drivers. [07:20] And, in the case of his GPU, the kernel module is 'radeon' whether he's using the Xorg radeon or radeonhd driver. [07:20] adamk_: well.. no it doesnt list which one is "in use" but should list which one it would be passing to Xorg if its not getting overridden [07:21] hm [07:21] i use xfce without 3d effects and no 3d applications, but i watch 1080p videos. with radeon those videos keeps blocking during reproduction. should i change to radeonhd? (mplayer uses "XV" driver) [07:22] OclkdMan: Slackware 13? [07:22] 64bit-current [07:22] Well, first, you really shouldn't use radeonhd. It's not developed any more, and barely supported. [07:22] 3.40ghz and quite new midlevel ati gpu [07:22] ...ok [07:22] Second, on -current it should really "just work" [07:23] Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? [07:23] sure [07:23] fadein (~Erik@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:24] http://pastebin.com/x3Bc2JaG [07:24] slava_dp: screen -l or deflogin on, right? [07:25] OclkdMan: Hmm.. Well 2D and 3D acceleration is definitely enabled. [07:26] OclkdMan: I haven't played much 1080p videos, but what I have played has worked fine. [07:26] [07:27] can mplayer video "decorders" have any influence? [07:27] Do smaller resolution videos have the same problem (in other words, could it be the audio driver instead of the video driver)? You should also make sure that the video player you are trying is using Xv. [07:28] no. smaller videos works perfectly [07:29] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [07:29] bah, I hate centos :( [07:30] pprkut: ++ [07:30] i have to admit also that 1080p videos also works. but the one that does not is this :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xMz2SnSWS4 (obviuously downloaded locally at maxquality which i think is more than 1080p) [07:30] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [07:30] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] pprkut, shell -bash in .screenrc [07:32] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:33] OclkdMan: The other 1080p videos that work... Are they in flash, too? [07:33] no. [07:33] mkv works [07:34] well [07:34] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [07:34] it could be the codec? [07:34] So it could really just be an issue with only flash HD videos. [07:34] ok [07:35] I'd be willing to try it on my machine, but it'll take a while. [07:36] ah ok! the space required is 126.6mb [07:36] xiaodong (~xiaodong@114.246.251.233) left irc: Quit: ‚» [07:36] Yean, it'll just take a while to download :-) [07:36] i'll stay online. thx for your support [07:36] Slow connection here at work. [07:37] surely faster than here in italy .... :) [07:37] You might be surprised :-) [07:39] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-fzvgylkvihbbtoto) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). 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[08:07] I'm not using Slackware -current at the moment, but I'm using the same basic graphics stack. Same X server version, same version of the radeon driver. [08:08] OclkdMan: You were using mplayer to watch it? [08:09] ...yes. i haven't tried xine [08:11] maybe corrent it's quite slower for some reason (libraries, kernel...) [08:12] *current [08:12] byez [08:12] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.61) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:13] Yeah, there could be other issues. [08:14] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:16] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:18] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:19] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:19] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [08:19] damnit kde desktop effects still crash X on this intel card even with the latest 2.6.32.13. [08:20] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:20] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:21] kde 4.4.3? [08:21] They don't even work for me. [08:22] yes, the latest -current. [08:22] 2.6.32.13? What aboot 2.6.33.1? [08:22] 2.6.33.4. [08:22] doesn't work either. [08:22] but i am on .32. [08:22] hm [08:23] .32 is a long term support release. they'll backport fixes for 3 years. [08:23] i dont think its related to the kernel [08:24] well the kernel has graphics code too, so i'm frantically trying every updated piece of the jigsaw [08:24] Given how tightly integrated the Xorg intel driver is to the DRM module, there's a good chance it's the kernel. [08:24] it was all working just last month. [08:24] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:25] there was one fix in intel drm in the latest kernel patch. but it solved nothing for me. [08:26] intel drm is working beautifully for me [08:26] slava_dp, whats with your? [08:27] apparently mine isn't as beautiful as yours :) [08:27] kde desktop effects crash X. [08:28] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:29] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:30] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [08:33] slava_dp: Try and get a backtrace from Xorg? [08:34] adamk_, i'm hopeless at submitting bugs :( [08:35] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:35] Well then they just won't get fixed :-) [08:35] I usually hope someone else will find and fix it [08:35] "subversion ignored some of our files" "did you ADD them?" "You have to add them?!" [08:35] >.< [08:36] Zordrak: I feel your pain :) [08:36] adamk_, how do I get a backtrace and what do I do with it? [08:36] slava_dp: doesn't work either. I'm just letting it go before I get crazy over it [08:37] pprkut, hmm. [08:38] slava_dp, are you using dual monitor? [08:38] guax, no [08:38] my crashes with two monitors. but single display is fine [08:40] slava_dp: Log in via ssh and then use 'gdb attach pid' to attach to Xorg (as root). [08:40] slava_dp: From inside gdb, run 'handle SIGPIPE nostop' and then try to enable desktop effects. [08:40] When X crashes, run 'bt' to get a backtrace. [08:40] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Then open up a bug report on freedesktop.org :-) [08:41] It's possible they will come back and say that they need to see a backtrace with debug symbols enabled, but at least it's a start. [08:42] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [08:42] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [08:44] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [08:45] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:46] ezrafree_ (ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. 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[09:04] The_Seeker (~seeker@5ac899e9.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [09:05] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Whilst trying to install Slackware -current (using the usbboot.img), I'm able to hit enter to boot the hugesmp kernel but when it comes to pressing 1 to select a non-US keyboard map, nothing happens. It's a USB keyboard incidentally. [09:05] What's puzzling me is I've installed Slackware 12.2 and 13.0 using the same hardware with no problems. [09:06] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@53531BD8.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:06] hi guys [09:06] hi Buggaboo [09:06] The_Seeker, i've had that. try a ps/2 keyboard. [09:07] slava_dp, don't have one unfortunately [09:07] or try to unplug/replug the usb one during the boot [09:07] slava_dp, good idea [09:08] slava_dp, I wonder what has changed from 12.2/13.0 to cause this [09:08] the kernel has changed (that I'm sure about) [09:09] slava_dp, well yes [09:09] slava_dp, was thinking more along the lines of hal etc [09:09] the boot disk does not run hal, only udev. [09:10] The_Seeker: Mac? [09:10] alphageek, PC [09:11] from what I understand, there's stuff pending to fix that. just hold on a while [09:11] Cherry CyMotion Master Linux keyboard to be precise [09:11] < master of vague [09:12] alphageek, to fix what? :-) i haven't been able to figure out the problem. [09:12] alphageek, good to know [09:12] usb keyboard usability in the installer [09:12] oh. I see now. [09:13] i keep having this error: httpd: Syntax error on line 54 of /etc/httpd/httpd.conf: Cannot load /srv/lib64/httpd/modules/mod_authn_file.so into server: /srv/lib64/httpd/modules/mod_authn_file.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [09:13] The_Seeker, one solution is to boot the installer with sshd and connect to it remotely. [09:14] sunzu (~sunzu@pD9ED3606.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Azeotrope, well there is no such file so fix your httpd.conf [09:14] slava_dp, I think I'll wait for 13.1 final and see how that goes [09:14] slava_dp: i didn't modified anything! [09:15] The_Seeker, it's very easy. try http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/remote-installation-of-slackware-using-ssh/ [09:15] Azeotrope: you appear to have broken something & ended up prefixing module paths with '/srv' [09:16] slava_dp, thanks for that, I'll take a look [09:16] /usr/lib64/httpd/modules/mod_authn_file.so < this file does, in fact, exist [09:17] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:17] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:18] Azeotrope: i bet you have [09:18] Azeotrope: because youve changed your ServerRoot [09:20] Nick change: xchg_chrape -> xchg [09:20] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:21] bingo [09:21] ServerRoot != DocumentRoot [09:21] Zordrak: yes, you're right [09:21] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:22] which kinda renders " slava_dp: i didn't modified anything!" null & void [09:22] alphageek: I put /srv/ instead /srv [09:22] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:22] hurry [09:22] pielas (~pielas@80.48.4.137) joined ##slackware. [09:22] slackytude|evil (~slacky@f051165106.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:23] how can I see the current speed somebody download a doc from my httpd? [09:23] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:23] s/dowload/downloads [09:24] s/s/dowload/downloads/s/download/downloads [09:24] would my second rectification be corrent in sed? [09:24] no [09:24] what would it be? [09:26] execute it and see [09:26] s/s\/s\/dowload\/downloads\/s\/download\/downloads/s\/s\\\/dowload\\\/downloads\/s\\\/download\\\/downloads\\\\/\// [09:27] y0 [09:27] hey slava_dp , Zordrak [09:27] sup [09:27] heya slackytude|evil long time no see [09:28] y0 y0 [09:28] tried to get more involved in this real life Ive heard so much [09:28] but it sucks [09:28] so Im back [09:29] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:29] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_fandi [09:29] slackytude|evil, nice to see you again. [09:30] likewise [09:30] all fine with you? [09:30] absolutely [09:30] Nick change: Absenth -> W9ZEB [09:30] W9ZEB (~lars@75-30-81-143.lightspeed.nbvlin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Changing host [09:30] W9ZEB (~lars@unaffiliated/w9zeb-lars) joined ##slackware. [09:30] cool cool [09:33] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Quit: ... 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[10:03] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. [10:04] can anyone give me a hint wrt vnc? I'd like to set up a vnc terminal server with a single fullscreen app, on a single port. I want a new vnc server started for every client that connects to this one port, and terminated when the corresponding client disconnects. is that scenario possible? [10:04] slava sounds hard. you would need to have some kind of forwarding active. [10:05] what kind of forwarding? [10:05] say port A is the single port, you have your daemon listeon A, upon connection it starts a vnc instance on port B and then forwards all traffic to B [10:06] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:07] hi guys [10:07] mancha, hmm... like using netcat? [10:08] i think you'll have to actually do some programming slava [10:09] Nick change: slackytude|evil -> slackytude-beer [10:09] programming is currently impossible, i'm still at the learning stage. [10:09] slava_dp ok then i think this that you ask to do might be "impossible" at this stage then [10:10] what you need is a daemon service that handles incoming requests and directs it to the right place (think of the inet superserver) [10:11] but i'm thinking... if I do it this way: inetd on port 9000 -> nc to 900$new, start vnc on 900$new; when the connection terminates, nc will terminate and bring vnc down with it; and inetd can handle multiple connections on one port. [10:12] needs some thought though [10:12] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:12] wine from SBo's still not building here, multilib is installed [10:13] generally, 'it's not working' is a poor error [10:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:16] true enough, pastebin is: http://pastebin.com/J9sJeW9k [10:16] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-111-35.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:16] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:17] is the SBo build for 1.1.24? [10:17] yup [10:18] where does one go to get good opinions on corporate antivirus deployments? [10:18] i would have assumed it was for the stable 1.0.1 or whatevr [10:18] Zordrak, is corporate antivirus an oxymoron? [10:19] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:20] looks like it might be libpng related to me [10:21] var=oxymoron; echo ${var#oxy} [10:24] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:24] mancha, odd, isn't libpng part of freetype? [10:24] gtludwig you might wish to test my thry by downgrading your libpng. [10:24] no, libpng is separate from freetype [10:25] what version are you on, of libpng? [10:25] yeah.. libpng is poo-pipe [10:26] I guess you never tried libjpeg then... [10:26] got libpng-1.4.2-x86_64-1 and libpng-compat32-1.4.2-x86_64-1 [10:26] ok you prolly want the 1.2.x tree [10:26] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [10:27] mugwort13 (~mugwort13@pool-71-248-57-219.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] or maybe a newer wine that plays nice with 1.4.x? [10:28] Anyone know of an editor that has php code completion that behaves similar to quanta+? [10:28] gtludwig, just get the latest wine. [10:28] last time i did any real php it was in the eclipse mod [10:29] slava_dp, getting it now [10:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:34] building SBo with wine 1.1.44 now [10:34] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:36] Where do I put shared object files for firefox? [10:36] /dev/null is a neat place [10:36] twoshot_, ^ :-) [10:36] /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [10:37] slava, lol [10:37] zordrak, thanks [10:38] is there any way i could redirect sound from firefox to /dev/null? [10:38] i'm watching atlantis' launch and i have this flash game that has no sound off option [10:39] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Azeotrope: ask in #pulseaudio [10:41] ? [10:43] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:43] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:45] pkill -SIGSTOP firefox-bin <- kind of a way [10:45] SIGCONT to resume [10:46] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] slackytude-beer (~slacky@f051165106.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:48] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [10:48] inconnu (1000@69-165-217-79.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [10:49] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. [10:49] best fast/no frills image viewer for flux please [10:49] Noble (~root@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:49] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] display from ImageMagick [10:50] display [10:50] wine's still building =) [10:50] is xv still around? [10:50] btw, found this really cool firefox addon [10:50] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10179/ [10:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [10:50] SlackBuildOrgSearchEngine [10:51] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:51] mugwort13 (mugwort13@pool-71-248-57-219.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [10:51] Skywise: yes [10:51] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:51] but it isn't "free" [10:51] xv is my favorite x image viewer and its simple [10:51] oh? [10:51] dang, i'll keep using my old copy then [10:53] qiv craps out on slack13 - used to be great [10:53] gqview/geeqie are good too [10:54] odd. qiv works perfectly fine here [10:54] qiv (Quick Image Viewer) v2.1-pre11 [10:54] slack 13.0 32 bit [10:54] Action: NaCl doesn't have qiv [10:54] any slackpacks for qiv? [10:55] . o O ( http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-packages.shtml ) [10:55] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [10:55] which reminds me. I need to update the site.. I added a few more packages [10:55] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:55] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Anyone want to patch CK so it doesn't spawn way too many threads? [10:56] NaCl, you have to modify the source to show you've registered, i'd rather just hack it [10:56] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [10:56] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [10:56] NaCl, why just nice it [10:56] er why not... [10:56] nice is not the problem. [10:56] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:56] It's 63 more threads than is required [10:56] that is out of hand [10:57] They're all sleeping, so they aren't getting in the way or anything, but it is annoying [10:57] And people have complained about it beofre [10:57] *before [10:57] IMHO, the threads should be spawned upon a CK session opening up, but whatever [10:58] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:59] maybe the guy came from windows and wants to accelerate your experience by consuming all your resources at launch [11:00] It doesn't consume resources [11:00] It's just reducing the usefulness of task managers [11:00] htop, etc. [11:02] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [11:03] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:04] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:04] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [11:04] Yea!!! wine-1.1.44-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [11:05] package created from SBo =) [11:06] \o/ [11:06] there. site updated [11:06] only 2 upgraded (not 'new') packages, so nothing exciting [11:08] what's this 'CK' you're talking about? [11:09] consolekit probably [11:09] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:10] Unless he is a fashionista. [11:10] thrice`: yep [11:10] alphageek: ^ [11:10] *nod* [11:10] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:11] extra_elvis (~extra_elv@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:14] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-111-35.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) joined ##slackware. [11:16] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [11:17] hey all, soundcards x& y depends on their users implementing them to be a member of group "audio" [11:17] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:17] the question is how does reverse probe a group to discover which devices depend upon that particular group? [11:18] ls -l /dev/dsp* [11:18] no-one in the office can answer this, so I thought I'de try you brain boxes :-) [11:19] rogersman: ls -l /dev/snd/* [11:19] That's probably better than what I said [11:19] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:19] And here they're all owned by root:audio [11:20] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Anyone know where to get the 64 bit flash player? [11:20] NaCl: yep [11:20] twoshot_: slackbuilds.orog [11:20] *org [11:20] k [11:21] very nice...cheers [11:21] NaCl: Sweet, it's there. Thanks [11:21] np [11:22] NaCl: where exactly does alsa define what group this device should be a member of? [11:23] no clue [11:23] okay :-) [11:23] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] slackytude-beer (~slacky@f051165106.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:24] it's interesting that in other distros this group doesn't exist and was curious about how they are defined in slackware [11:24] rogersman: all major linux distros have audio group for sound card privileges except fedora which reguires users group, must be in the init files of the distro [11:24] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:25] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] gnubien: yeah, it's fedora on my wee laptop ... guess one has to dig deep to get at such things [11:26] Nick change: slackytude-beer -> slackytude [11:26] rogersman: yea, fedora is the odd-ball ;) [11:27] nice hat tho ... [11:28] linux standardization project is an attempt to have most distros conform to a default filesystem layout [11:28] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:29] users group makes sense to me [11:29] i hate having a group for every little thing [11:30] we need groups of groups! [11:31] usb device? new group. sound? new group. video? new group. we should almost have a 'what_most_people_use' meta-group :) [11:32] how do you make more than 1 program to use sound at the same time? [11:32] Nick change: bojevnik_ -> bojevnik [11:33] have them use alsa or sdl or some other non crappy sound server [11:33] alsa should do it by default [11:33] but i am using alsa [11:33] for both? [11:33] bojevnik: Sounds like some application is using OSS emulation then. [11:33] y0 thrice` [11:33] what does that mean= [11:33] ? [11:33] hows it going [11:34] Mixing doesn't work in alsa if the hardware doesn't support hardware mixing and one application is using OSS. [11:34] qiv works great v-2.1pre12 - I had tried other versions from the official site that crapped out [11:34] not true [11:34] thrice++ [11:34] alsa has software mixing for ages now [11:34] Not in the situation I described. [11:34] oh right [11:34] if one app is using oss [11:34] ahh ok [11:35] tnx [11:35] For example, mplayer uses oss by default. [11:35] So if you have mplayer start up, and grab the sound device, another application can't play audio if the hardware itself doesn't support mixing. [11:36] I usually use sdl for mplayer [11:36] And cards with hardware mixing seem to be getting rarer. [11:36] at least in the consumer space [11:36] True. [11:36] And SDL is probably using alsa. [11:36] Though that can always be configured. [11:37] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:38] tooly1 (~tooly@f053079105.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:39] tooly1 (tooly@f053079105.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [11:39] tooly (~tooly@e178147126.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:40] bojevnik OSS uses /dev/dsp* alsa uses /dev/snd/* OSS does not allow mixing so you get this error: Device or resource busy, run this command: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/* [11:40] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:41] OSS does allow mixing. OSS v3 supports it on hardware that supports hardware mixing. OSS v4 supports virtual mixing. [11:41] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] inconnu (1000@69-165-217-79.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs) [11:41] oss4 is supposed to be very good [11:41] I use it all the time. [11:41] will try [11:42] Mostly because alsa used to be such a PITA. [11:42] adamk_, is it in the kernel now? [11:42] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:42] oss4? I don't believe so, no. [11:43] bummer [11:43] didnt they want to get merged ? [11:43] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] slackytude: There was some discussion of that at one point. [11:44] hrm [11:45] gnubien, it doesn't work [11:45] bojevnik: The lsof command didn't give any output? [11:46] bojevnik: which sound apps do not mix sounds, firefox flash? [11:46] yes it gave output [11:46] a sec [11:46] COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME [11:46] knotify4 2406 bojevnik 12u CHR 116,32 8314 /dev/snd/controlC1 [11:46] kmix 2457 bojevnik 10u CHR 116,0 8332 /dev/snd/controlC0 [11:46] Channel flood from bojevnik -- kicking [11:46] kmix 2457 bojevnik 12u CHR 116,32 8314 /dev/snd/controlC1 [11:46] amarok 2469 bojevnik 13u CHR 116,32 8314 /dev/snd/controlC1 [11:46] bojevnik kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:46] bojevnik: Please use a service like http://pastebin.com/ . [11:46] Too late. [11:47] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] You need to use a service like http://pastebin.com/ [11:48] sorry didnt know that you cant paste stuff here [11:48] it's bad ettiquite anyway [11:48] And annoyingly difficult to read in that format. [11:49] http://pastebin.com/vMaSavi6 [11:49] bojevnik make sure all sound apps use the device name alsa or default and NOT hw or OSS or plughw:0,0 because these do NOT allow mixing [11:49] here it is [11:49] how do i do that? [11:49] Interestingly, they all appear to be using alsa. [11:49] sorry im still kinda noob [11:50] bojevnik: config files or in the gui [11:50] config files [11:50] What application are you getting audio from and what application isn't working? [11:51] basicly im getting audio from the first aplication that run, that isnt kde [11:51] and im not getting audio from any other aplication until that one is running [11:51] in this particular case [11:51] only opera has audio [11:52] firefox and amrok do not [11:52] amarok* [11:52] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:52] bojevnik close all sound apps and firefox then play this command twice at the same time in 2 different terminals: speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav [11:53] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] bojevnik: if you hear both sounds at the same time then alsa mixes sounds ok, problem is with the sound apps or firefox,opera,other browsers [11:54] from second terminal i get error [11:54] speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav [11:54] Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy [11:54] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [11:54] ignore fir line* [11:54] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:54] first* [11:54] hello, anyone using Kontact? [11:54] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [11:55] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Akonadi complains that there's no engines found :( I have no idea what's that [11:56] so the problem is alsomixer? [11:56] no [11:56] bojevnik: just curious, are u running ktorrent? [11:57] Sounds like alsa just isn't doing mixing for his hardware by default... Which is very odd. [11:57] The_Seeker (~seeker@5ac899e9.bb.sky.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:58] no im not runing ktorrent, but i do have as a widget in kde panel [11:59] should i remove it? [11:59] bojevnik: get rid of it [11:59] ktorrent routinely shags up my sound [11:59] tho could be something else for u obviously [11:59] its gone [11:59] do i need to restart X? [11:59] I tried to put debian on this HA linux cluster at work, but I just can't do it.. to me Slackware just works better [11:59] no [12:00] the IT staff is just going to have to use it lol [12:00] bojevnik: retry the speaker-test command twice at the same time [12:00] still get error [12:00] im going to restart X [12:00] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:00] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:01] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] still the same error [12:03] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:03] bojevnik: user -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* do NOT paste to this channel! [12:03] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:04] dra (~dra@190.178.115.54) joined ##slackware. [12:04] I'm really beginning to think that dmix is just busted on his machine, or not setup by default for some strange unknown reason. [12:04] re [12:04] its says command not found [12:05] in which directory I can find package with ndiswrapper ? [12:05] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:05] on installation disk [12:05] or ftp ? [12:05] bojevnik: run this command: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/* [12:06] http://pastebin.com/ipj90Nmq [12:06] bojevnik: close all the apps listed in the output of the lsof command then retry the speaker-test commands [12:07] bojevnik: try starting another WM or DE instead of KDE and test mixing [12:07] still get the error [12:07] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:09] if forgot in which file i change WM [12:10] bojevnik: dumb question..u a member of "audio" group ? [12:10] audio sys and plugdev [12:11] and some outhers [12:11] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:11] others* [12:11] so opera works but nothin else? [12:11] only if it is first program that starts using sound [12:12] if i play song in amarok [12:12] there will be sound in amarok but not in opera [12:12] presumably "don't use opera" isn't a very helpful suggestion...however.... [12:12] maybe better check opera forums [12:13] problem isnt conatined just to opera [12:13] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.206) joined ##slackware. [12:13] This is clearly a bigger issue with alsa dmix since even speaker-test is having problems when two are run at the same time. [12:13] guys - anyone here uses dimdim ? [12:16] where do i change to different WM to gnome [12:16] instead of startkde startgdm? [12:16] nvm [12:16] ill try to use xfce [12:16] use gware or gsb rather than slackware - gnome is not available in default slackware anymore [12:17] anyone having problems with akonadi? [12:17] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [12:17] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:17] ipuls (~ipuls@202.70.54.3) joined ##slackware. [12:17] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-fvlnvunlfeaijkph) joined ##slackware. [12:18] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] still get the same error Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy [12:19] even in xfce [12:19] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [12:20] maybe it will just easier to buy new soundcard [12:20] is there any list online, that shows which support hardware mixing [12:20] after editing sudoers, does a service need to be restarted? [12:20] no [12:21] ok [12:21] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:22] well anyway,, thanks for all your help guys, im giving up on this [12:22] bojevnik: The only ones I'm aware of are the original SB Live! and Audigy cards (based on the emu10k1 chipset) and cards based on the Yamaha DS1. Neither of which are even manufactured any more. [12:22] You could check on #alsa for help fixing dmix. [12:23] ok will try [12:23] Unfortunately, much with alsa is out of my depth. Alternatively, you could try OSS4. [12:25] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:25] where can i get it ? from first glance google gives me no official site [12:25] oss4!? [12:25] yes [12:25] or is install bz default? [12:25] installed* [12:25] by* [12:25] Honestly, I would do that almost as a last resort. [12:25] bojevnik: can you execute id on your terminal? [12:25] No, it's not installed by default. [12:26] night all [12:26] uid=1000(bojevnik) gid=100(users) groups=3(sys),11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),82(haldaemon),83(plugdev),84(power),100(users) [12:26] good night [12:26] There is a slackbuild for OSS, though, if you decide to go that route. [12:26] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/oss/ [12:26] oss for what adamk? [12:27] ok thanks, I will try #alsa first [12:27] ipuls: Hmm? OSS audio drivers for bojevnik since alsa isn't doing mixing. [12:27] bojevnik: What sound card is this, btw? [12:27] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:27] ow [12:27] i have no idea [12:27] i bought it over 5 years ago [12:27] Heh. Do you have time to pastebin the output of 'aplay -l' ? [12:28] http://pastebin.com/KWgKhTjJ [12:28] Ahhh, I have one of those, too. [12:29] And I can at least confirm that it does work with OSS, if you decide to give it a shot. [12:29] But, yeah, I'd try #alsa first. [12:30] Nick change: xchg_fandi -> xchg [12:32] anyone using -current and kontact? [12:34] dra (dra@190.178.115.54) left ##slackware. [12:37] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:38] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:38] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.206) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [12:38] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:38] http://imagebin.ca/view/7GapZDr1.html [12:39] ipuls (~ipuls@202.70.54.3) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:40] saiful (~ipul@202.70.54.3) joined ##slackware. [12:40] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. 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[13:09] ping pong the witch is dead works better [13:10] saiful (~ipul@202.70.54.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:12] how do i get /etc/modprobe.d/sound to reload ? [13:12] /etc/rc.d/rc.modules restart? [13:12] try it and see [13:14] might want to try it from runlevel not 4 so X gets a chance to see the change [13:14] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:14] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:16] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:17] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] is there a way to configure the kde notifications settings? gets annoying popping up all the time. [13:19] remove is the only option i see. [13:20] side note 4.4.3 is feeling super duper radiliciously solid [13:23] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:25] nm found a fancy wizard were i should have looked already. [13:26] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:28] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:30] Axius (~fd@92.82.73.21) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [13:34] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.54) joined ##slackware. [13:38] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-89-216-216-13.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [13:40] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [13:40] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:40] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-89-216-216-13.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [13:42] the touchpad on my laptop does not work completely... the mouse does move, but tapping the touchpad does not result in a 'click'.. any pointers? [13:42] you probably don't have synaptics configuration for your touchpad - if it's capable of it [13:42] that is, if it's a synaptics type touchpad [13:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:43] alisonken1home, how do i do the synaptics config? [13:44] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [13:44] loafmeat (flautar@cpe-67-49-159-6.hawaii.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [13:44] hackeron_ (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:46] vinegaroon (~sam@119.224.14.130) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:46] vinegaroon (~sam@119.224.14.130) joined ##slackware. [13:47] njathan, man synaptics - but there's also an *.fdi file for use by hal that helps to automate it without having to use an xorg.conf file [13:47] not on the laptop, so not sure where it's located at yet [13:47] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-113-134.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] guest12573 (~70ca5e6f@gateway/web/freenode/x-fzpxjwsgqhropmtk) joined ##slackware. [13:48] how do we tell WHEN is a folder first created? I found, that the folder's date is affected by modification time of the files inside it..Because of this, i cannot tell when was the folder got created. The answer to this question shall tell me the date at /home/$USER [13:49] "stat" comes close but still is not the answer. The date of .bashrc is also an approximation.... [13:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:49] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:49] c'mon linux hackers.... [13:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [13:50] guest12573: There is no way to determine the creation time of a file without kernel auditing. The ctime of a file records modifications to the inode table, thus recording as the first change the creation, but nothing further. [13:50] was that last part a pep talk, guest12573? [13:50] guest12573, we wont be able to tell you because there is no way, you need some sort of auditing [13:51] guest12573: ls -cl, by the by, will display the ctime. [13:52] electrical (~electrica@87.212.249.241) joined ##slackware. [13:53] sinuhe: so the ctime of a folder is coupled with ctime of the files inside the folder... [13:54] Good evening all. I'm wondering how far slackware is with the installer for automated installation ( Former collegua from leaseweb helped me with it some time ago ) [13:54] or a folder has no ctime node..!? [13:54] electrical: i think, its DVD now.. [13:55] s/node/field [13:56] alisonken1home, i found this -> /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi [13:56] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [13:56] guest12573: I know that with version 12 there was no real installer available. let alone any ability to automated the installation process. [13:57] Former collegua at an ISP was fully into the development of slackware ( can't remember his name though :-( ) [13:57] ok, my soundcard works fine now, but i now i'm having issues with flash [13:57] -i [13:57] there's a heavy delay in the audio [13:58] i think it has to do with the usb soundcard [13:59] am i supposed to run he vdi file, or enable it in some way for the touchpad to be autodetected/starts working? [13:59] electrical: i think, you can automate it to a known set of similar hardware once you can make it work first..but with different setups..i don't think it is possible... [13:59] just upgraded bash with slack13 with slackpkg upgrade-all, but now my bash is broken [13:59] and I can't even boot properly [14:00] mtkoan: I did that once (and came here looking for help). Found I had selected a slackpkg mirror for 32 bit when I was running 64. Maybe check that. [14:01] guest12573: i was afraid of that :-) [14:01] argh! [14:01] spaceplod: you are right, this my first 64 bit machine [14:01] how did you fix it? [14:02] good lord...I can't remember. The mistake was on a fresh install of a production box...I think I started over for fear of leaving something broken. [14:02] guest12573: alot of options i can give trough a config file that's dynamicly created. so basicly i would need script that boots up at the start of the PXE boot, gets the information and executes all commands with the details i send. [14:03] guest12573 (70ca5e6f@gateway/web/freenode/x-fzpxjwsgqhropmtk) left ##slackware. [14:04] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] :o [14:04] classic blunder! [14:04] dammit [14:04] Ahh found a Slack-Kickstart thingy.. last release was in 2006 :S [14:04] tell me about it. [14:05] hmm, stay late and fix it, or wait till monday [14:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-113-134.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:07] may as well re-install, need to grab my custom kernel first though [14:07] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [14:08] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:08] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:12] john_dee (~id@95-29-180-98.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:13] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:18] I am not able to load kmail... here's what kontact throws at me -> Cannot load part for Mail. Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kmailpart.so: (libgpg-error.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) [14:18] this is on a fresh install...... [14:18] njathan maybe libgpg isnt installed [14:19] njathan ls /var/log/packages/ | grep gpg [14:19] njathan what this returns ? [14:19] nooneelse, says -> gpgme-1.1.8-i486-1 [14:19] thats it [14:19] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:20] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] njathan you must install the libgpg-error-1.6-i486-3 if you're on a 12.2 slack [14:21] or earlier if you're on a 13.x [14:21] nooneelse, found it! [14:21] nooneelse, on 13.0 [14:21] great :) [14:23] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:23] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] thanks nooneelse... working now [14:24] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] njathan np [14:25] can somebody say me something? even something wrong, I'm feeling ignored :( anyone using kontact on -current? (at least say no, no one go touch yourself or something) ... please? :D [14:26] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:27] no P4C0 [14:27] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [14:27] kontact is a messenger for kde ? [14:28] Axius_ (~fd@92.85.223.97) joined ##slackware. [14:28] I do not use KDE so I'm a little out of box [14:29] nooneelse, Kontact is KDE's PIM software (PIM = Personal Information Manager) It handles e-mail, calendar, rss feeds, etc. [14:29] it's like an address book but now it uses akonadi and it complains about missing engines :( [14:29] fire|bird oh great [14:30] nooneelse, http://userbase.kde.org/Kontact <---go there for more info. [14:30] Axius (~fd@92.82.73.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:30] fire|bird thanks [14:30] P4C0 so fix the dependencies [14:30] which missing engines ? [14:30] pam? [14:30] =P [14:30] i just started kontact on current says i need qtsql [14:30] you installed that yet? [14:31] actually the driver "QMYSQL" [14:31] atlantis made it to space [14:32] nooneelse: i don't know, just upgraded to current, everything is installed or should be... [14:32] P4C0 oh, I don't use current [14:32] sluckxz: yes, there's a warning about qmysql but just a warning, the real error comes from missing engines [14:32] P4C0 I actually do use slackware for servers not like a desktop [14:33] nooneelse: has it been a nice trip? [14:33] nooneelse: i've personally found that slackware makes a great desktop/netbook os [14:33] P4C0 till now, it has being a wonderfull trip [14:34] nooneelse: I dropped that in favor of debian... upgrading was too painful [14:34] jewbacca: I agree [14:34] jewbacca, yeah it may be, but if is baked [14:34] like some Vector Linux or something [14:34] if? [14:34] nooneelse: i don't think i understand you fully [14:34] what the hell is this strigi! it keeps popping - 'suspending' - 'indexing' - 'suspending' - 'indexing' every 2 seconds on kde ! [14:35] Action: njathan is just annoyed.. dont bother answering :-P [14:35] jewbacca for desktops, I think user spends too many time compiling things to get things up [14:35] njathan: it is a fancy feature to index your desktop... as far as I know in theory you can tag a picture and then find it with the tag without knowing where it is, same with videos, music, etc [14:36] nooneelse: not really... [14:36] P4C0: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slack13-1-and-akonadi-806614/page2.html [14:36] you see that? [14:36] jewbacca but if you have some distro that make this for ya, like vector linux that is slackbased [14:36] nooneelse: you use sbo to package what you need, then done [14:36] I think it automates things [14:36] sluckxz: let me check [14:37] it is regarding current. i am running current and am very happy especially reagarding all the work on kde. [14:38] How can I set the clock? [14:38] Axius_: ntpd [14:38] thanks P4C0.... i would rather turn the notifications off... and come back to strigi when i have more time :-P [14:39] njathan: I stopped it on my work pc (slackware 13) [14:40] nooneelse: i personally don't like binary repos [14:40] jewbacca: would you mind changing your nick, i find it deeply offensive [14:40] P4C0: I've ntpd installed but the time is wrong. [14:40] dustybin: i do mind...be offended [14:41] :P [14:41] Axius_: did you uncommented the server line on the config? [14:42] P4C0: Where can I find the config file for ntpd? [14:42] i mean, really, why would someone be offended by a hairy jewish male(aka a jewbacca) using this nick? [14:42] i think its the hairy part [14:42] Axius_: /etc/ntp.conf [14:42] Axius_, do you just want to set the time on your system? or do you want a network time server? [14:43] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:43] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:43] athe former can be achieved just by running the ntpdate command... and probably having a cron job to make it run periodically [14:43] 1 [14:43] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-153-238-150.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:44] njathan: I want only to set the time on my system. [14:44] date -s [14:44] Axius_: comment the server 127.0.0.1 and uncomment the server pool.ntp.org restart it /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd restart and your time should be set to your timezone all the time... [14:44] njathan: isn't ntpd supposed to do that? [14:45] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:45] P4C0, i though ntpd is to be used when you want your own server.. and want other clients to sync time with you... no? [14:45] P4C0, like in a corporate environment [14:46] njathan: hmm that will make sense... but I'm not sure, it has been working for me [14:46] Axius_, try -> "ntpdate in.pool.ntp.org" [14:46] I get this /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd: Permission denied [14:46] Axius_, above command is to sync time by IST timezone [14:47] Axius_: as root [14:47] Axius_, find the server for your country in ntp.org [14:47] Axius_, or chmod the file +x [14:47] P4C0: I ran it as root. [14:47] Axius_: do what Skywise said, chmod +x [14:47] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd [14:48] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:48] Axius_: you acn use ntpq -p to check the status [14:48] groo (~groo@189.65.209.18) joined ##slackware. [14:49] ok, thank you now it works. [14:50] njathan: I think ntpd handles both... since I can't use ntpdate while running ntpd (the NTP socket is in use, exiting) [14:51] njathan: last line on ntp.conf (restrict 127.0.0.1) doesn't publish the time to others [14:51] P4C0, yes. ntpd will definately handle both... the server can always have a parent where it gets its own updates.. but i thought ntpd is overkill for what i wanted.. did not want my system resources to be kept engaged [14:52] njathan: hmm yes, you are probably right, but I don't like setting things on the cron :p [14:52] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:52] groo (~groo@189.65.209.18) left irc: Client Quit [14:54] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [14:54] if you're gonna have more then one machine as well, you should set one up as a server and the others as clients to that server rather then each going out to the net on its own [14:56] Skywise: but as clients with ntpd or ntpdate from cron? [14:57] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] either or, if you have an active server thats scare for resources i'd run it as a cronjob [14:57] Should I let the ntpd server to run as a server or as a client? Which is best? [14:57] if its not a penalty then ntpd is ok [14:57] the first should run as a server and the rest as clients [14:58] if you only have 1 then simply as a client is enough [14:58] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [15:00] once a day on cron? 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[15:26] I'd like to create an iso with a custom package set, but I'd like to do it 'the proper way' if possible :) [15:27] I mean, they don't look difficult to generate, but I'd rather not have to write my own :P [15:28] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:29] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:30] just dump in your packages, generate one with the apporpriate tool if necessary (I know slackpkg has a dump option) [15:30] *generate a list, I mean [15:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.25.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:34] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:36] keenken (~keenken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] troy: the proper way would be to put together another package set for use with pkgtool [15:37] is ubuntu better than slackware? [15:38] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) joined ##slackware. [15:38] keenken, that's personal preference, you try both and make your own decision. [15:38] not to mention, do you think there'd be a lot of "Ubuntu" answers in a slackware channel? [15:38] fire|bird, I think I will... thanks [15:39] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [15:39] fire|bird, when a channel has two pounds "##" what does that mean? on a diff server? [15:39] keenken, ## means it's an unofficial channel. one # denotes it's an official channel. [15:40] fire|bird, wow thanks... i would of never guessed that. [15:40] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [15:41] jhw (~jhw@p57982ABF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:42] twanny796 (~twanny@78.133.49.18) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:42] sirslcaker_ (~sirslacke@p579B5265.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] that basically means that the "owner" of the channels don't own the "slackware" trademark [15:42] jewbacca: well, it's a little more complicated than that - I'm also removing packages from the official set, and patching other ones [15:43] jewbacca: consider it an in-house slackware-derived distro [15:43] oh, you're making your own distro [15:43] troy: still planning on using the slackware setup tool? [15:43] jewbacca: yeah [15:43] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-200038.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: t [15:43] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:43] jewbacca: in fact, I'd like to keep it as slackware as possible [15:44] jewbacca: I'll even be automagically syncing from the official slackware tree for those packages I've not modified [15:44] troy: it isn't the simplest of matters, but it's much simpler than, say, making your own redhat-based distribution [15:44] jewbacca: right :) [15:45] sirslacker (~sirslacke@tmo-100-16.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:45] jewbacca: alternatively, I can use the normal slackware install process, but maintain my own tree someplace [15:45] troy: that would probably be easier to do [15:45] jewbacca: then when I call slackpkg with clean-system and install-new, it'd simply modify the install [15:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-39-92.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [15:47] that said, I'd still need to make the files that slackpkg expects... ideas? [15:47] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [15:48] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:50] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Action: slava_dp is bored and is downloading ubuntu 10.04 to see what it looks like in virtualbox. [15:50] Action: slava_dp centos will be next. [15:50] centos ate my babies [15:51] Action: slava_dp good that there's no work tomorrow. [15:51] Action: slava_dp feels for troy's babies :( [15:51] i do that sometimes too. i always come back though to the sweet open arms of slackware. [15:52] I am not going anywhere though. just looking around :) [15:52] troy: look for my gen_repo_files.sh script [15:52] gotta learn rpm and deb, have no experience with them still. [15:52] alienBOB: you're my hero :) [15:53] It's at http://slackware.com/~alien/tools/gen_repos_files.sh [15:53] Still, you should stick to Slackware [15:53] slackware rules [15:53] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.16.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:53] All those awful derivatives... they spoil the scene [15:54] alienBOB: this is in-house convenience only :) [15:54] alienBOB: and I love slackware :) [15:54] i still dont know how the boot image with the installer is generated =/ [15:55] daimyo (daimyo@c-71-199-10-216.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("brb"). [15:56] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.16.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [15:59] diven (~diven@cpe-72-183-237-2.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:00] troy: that script does not work the way Pat's script works, but the results are nearly the same [16:00] guax: now _that_ is a trade secret :-) [16:00] Handy-craft [16:00] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-fzvgylkvihbbtoto) left ##slackware. [16:01] :| [16:01] alienBOB, how can i make my Awessome Guaxware? =P aeeuhea [16:01] It is not awesome if it is not Slackware ;-) [16:02] alienBOB, im planning to make a internal distro to our production PBX so it need to be "forked" as some installation script would be nice to change, i can hand made that easy but i dont know how to do kernel updates and that kind of stuff [16:03] alienBOB: do you run a server at home? [16:03] not in the initrd directly, but i didnt make much effort to learn [16:03] alienBOB: well, no worries :) do you have one that does that gpg signing for packages too? (just guessing that you do) [16:04] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:04] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:05] troy: that script does the signing too (asks for the gpg passphrase once, at the start) [16:05] dustybin: indeed I do [16:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:05] alienBOB: oh, sweet - perhaps I should read the script first before asking more questions :) [16:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:06] troy, self RTFM? =P [16:06] why do people run servers at home? are there any advantages to running a server on a VPS ? [16:06] troy: "./gen_repos_files.sh -h" ... [16:06] dustybin, cost? [16:06] dustybin: mine is the local file/print/mail server too [16:06] guax: surely it cost more to run one at home, electricity [16:07] alienBOB: aye ok [16:07] electrical (electrica@87.212.249.241) left ##slackware. [16:07] dustybin, you cant kick your server on a VPS [16:07] :D [16:07] and you cant have a dedicated c2d with 4gb RAM by a low cost [16:07] alienBOB: your mail server could be run on a VPS [16:08] and file server [16:08] I like my stuff local [16:08] aye ok [16:08] so you can kick? [16:08] or shoot, that depends on how mad you are [16:08] A file server must be on a local LAN, else it would be very inconvenient [16:08] if you run stuff like mythtv, you do need local stuff [16:09] If you believe that your data is safer in your own hands rather than someone else's, you also need local stuff. [16:09] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [16:10] your data isnt safe anywhere [16:10] backup. [16:10] backups? i like to live dangerously [16:10] a.k.a. im too lousy to rsync [16:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-39-92.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:10] lazy [16:11] damn foreign language [16:11] rsync is too complicated on its own, use a wrapper script [16:11] eh? [16:11] rsync is not that hard [16:11] i have it on a alias in my .profile [16:12] rsnapshot is nice [16:13] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:15] Asmadeus_ (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Yes, rsnapshot is what I use to backup my server data [16:19] nachox (~imarambio@190.216.26.210) joined ##slackware. [16:19] i use this for backing up databases [16:19] http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/ [16:19] been using that script for years, very nice [16:20] Yes, dumping my MySQL databases is something I run every night [16:21] alienBOB: if you do incremental backups using rsnapshot, you dont need to do database incremental backups [16:23] dustybin: backing up the live mysql database using rsync is a guarantee to end up with corrupt databases. I rather backup the dumps I make [16:23] yep indeed! that makes sense [16:23] It's not a guarantee.. [16:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-22-117.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] nachox (~imarambio@190.216.26.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:28] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: tchau :D [16:32] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:33] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [16:34] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] well, that was annoying - I accidentally pressed the power button on my laptop :P [16:35] Action: slava_dp lol @ troy [16:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-22-117.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:37] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [16:37] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:37] you can always disable that acpi event [16:41] vinegaroon (~sam@119.224.14.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [16:44] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:47] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [16:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.172.79) joined ##slackware. [16:50] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) left ##slackware. [16:52] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:53] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) joined ##slackware. [16:53] the very last thing slack loads after boot is "updating gtk.immodules" ... first off what is it and can i get rid of this check? [16:54] e271 (~chatzilla@proxy2.whiteselectronics.com) joined ##slackware. [16:54] thunderbird3 is such a piece of junk [16:54] I like it [16:54] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [16:55] i created a second account with different server settings, but the same name as the 1st account. I renamed the 2nd account and it renamed the 1st account too. I deleted the 2nd account and it started throwing strange errors. [16:55] look in one of the rc's, rc.M probably [16:55] it is refreshing gtk immodules [16:55] e271: that's a weird edge condition, and you judge an entire product on your screwups ? [16:55] wrong, it was not my screwup [16:56] it is one of many problems that do not exist in thunderbird2 [16:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.172.79) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:56] s/do/does/ [16:57] im=input method, module=modules [16:57] mancha: hmm, google isn't being very useful in this instance ... still don't know wtf i need it for [16:58] e271, the nice thing about foss projects, in general, is they have a bug reporting mechanism. this is a lot more effective than whining here. [16:59] rogersman the immodules are used to make funky characters from input keystroke sequences [16:59] mancha: even that is debatable http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html [16:59] that updating thing is just updating the module paths on your system. again, if you wanna stop it from happening on each boot, look in rc.M (90% likelihood, 10% another rc.) [17:00] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:00] yeah, it's in rc.M allright, checking it out now [17:01] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-rblumwthywxloydl) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:01] e271: how often do you set up email accounts, not to mention thye same exact one twice ? it's incredibly trivial, and I would never name two accounts the same - I would have no reason to [17:02] adaptr, e271 thinks ahead. therell be clones all over this planet, soon. [17:02] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Deuces. [17:03] adaptr: ever tested different mail server configurations? [17:04] chat70899 (~chat70899@41.249.37.78) joined ##slackware. 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[17:17] hi, I installed slackware over LAN according to this guide http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe [17:17] everything went alright [17:17] but after restart when I changed boot device back to hard drive [17:19] it still gives me the pxe option as I was booting from LAN, and if I let it be to boot from HD, there is L 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 when it starts booting [17:19] isn't there anything one should do after the guide ends ? [17:19] libtool: link: 'ext/date/php_date.lo' is not a valid libtool object make: *** [sapi/cgi/php-cgi] Error 1 [17:19] lisak, turn off the boot rom in the bios [17:19] is Error 1 coming from libtool or make? [17:20] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [17:20] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:20] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:23] slava_dp, do you mean the type of device to boot from ? I switched back to hd from LAN [17:23] one theory is that i might need to update c headers on my system, but it's running 13.0. does that sound sane? [17:23] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:23] Integrated Peripherals -> Invoke LAN boot ROM [Off] [17:24] latemus, what are you building? [17:24] i would think the c headers are up to date.. [17:24] php of course [17:24] i'm building php [17:24] yeh [17:24] are you missing any features? [17:24] sounds like php and libtool aren't playing nice. [17:24] maybe too old or too new a libtool? [17:24] i know :/ hmm, good suggestion. [17:25] so perhaps i will update libtool and the c headers in slackware. so if i sync with -current, for libtool that's package AP, right? [17:26] why do you keep brining up the headers? [17:26] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:27] i read in a bug ticket on php.net, one of the php devs was trying to write this error off as due to outdated c headers in the OS [17:27] the c headers? you mean kernel-headers? [17:27] latemus, sounds unlikely to me. what php version? [17:27] to be honest, i'm not sure :) it seems like the kernel headers are the only thing he could be talking about [17:27] do *not* change them [17:28] 5.2.13 latestr stable on that fork [17:28] adrien: ok i wont hehe [17:28] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@2001:470:1f0b:655::10) joined ##slackware. [17:28] you don't need newer kernel headers [17:28] hello [17:28] what libtool version are you on? [17:28] i want ask you how can add gentoo and slackware from lilo.conf [17:28] ? [17:29] http://paste.pocoo.org/show/214102/ [17:29] this is lilo.conf [17:29] ROKO__, duplicate slackware's entry, and modify it for your gentoo install. [17:29] lilo [17:29] Added Gentoo * [17:29] Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz: No such file or directory [17:29] Channel flood from ROKO__ -- kicking [17:29] but [17:29] ROKO__ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:29] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@2001:470:1f0b:655::10) joined ##slackware. [17:29] lol [17:29] but give me that error [17:29] slava_dp [17:29] ? [17:29] let me check... libtool is "ltmain.sh 1.5.26", built 2008/01/30 [17:30] hmm, [17:30] huh [17:30] ROKO__, is your slackware kernel in gentoo's /boot? I doubt it. [17:30] diven (~diven@cpe-72-183-237-2.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:31] slava_dp no [17:31] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [17:31] then figure out the path to the slackware kernel. [17:31] slava_dp give me example [17:31] ? [17:31] pls [17:31] i see nothing incompatible with your php and your libtool [17:32] you must be doing something else wrong. now...php is a hard compile. are you using someone script or tryig to do it yourself from scratch? [17:32] php 5.2.13 was release on feb 25th. [17:32] ROKO__, find / -type l -name vmlinuz [17:32] no, i'm just reading the INSTALL doc that came with the source and trying to compile it [17:33] ilaiho (ilaiho@xob.kapsi.fi) left irc: K-Lined [17:33] slava_dp so ? [17:34] what to do? [17:34] i tried modifying a slackbuild but there were many lines if conditional statements to deal with modifying, so i just tried it manually [17:34] perhaps the conditionals are what makes it work ofor slackware :) [17:34] why would you want to modify the slackbuild? isn't 5.2.13 what slack ships now? [17:35] ROKO__, go read the Fine Manual, if you can't comprehend what I have told you. [17:35] slava_dp what do you mean [17:35] ? [17:35] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:36] slava_dp, ouch, now I'm getting only L 01 01 01 01 01 for what there are at least 5 explanations on google : - / btw the hard drives are a little old, maybe 7 years [17:36] lisak, I dunno, did lilo give any errors when installing? [17:36] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.212) joined ##slackware. [17:37] nope, the installation was smooth till the end [17:38] um, security upgrade for pidgin so ppl can't f*ck you with emoticons, hello? [17:38] mancha: 13.0 ships with 5.2.10. my primary reason for compiling it myself is to remove apache specific options, and build it for fastcgi [17:39] latemus, why not just edit the 10 to 13 and then remove the configure options you don't want? [17:39] actually that's what i have resorted to :) [17:39] earth to pat! [17:39] just commenting out the apache options in the slackbuild [17:40] ha [17:40] lisak, check your hard drive settings in the bios. google suggests this might be the cause. [17:41] latemus if you can get that to work then you know your problem rests in how you're trying to compile manually. and you methodically figure out what you were doing wrong. [17:41] so you can chalk it up to a learning experience. [17:42] yeah, i have learned alot about gnu-utils and compiling from this experience [17:42] thanks for your suggestions and your help [17:42] you use gnutls over openssl for php? [17:43] i was gonna say that openssl has a better security track record but then again, it's php you wanna run so you mustn't care too much about security anyways :P [17:44] heh [17:44] PHP=please hack please? [17:45] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:45] no kidding :) in my work i see _lots_ of php get hacked [17:45] still, its easy to setup [17:46] most "hacking" of php applications is due to sloppy coding [17:46] yes ease of setup is true. as for security, it is probably the single most attractive vector out there [17:46] *attack vector [17:46] mancha: mostly becasue it's the most ubiquitous [17:46] i see lots of vulnerabilities posted for programs written in C [17:46] yeah, next to javascript ;) [17:47] and i have to disagree, yes, lots of attacks are to php apps, but i follow the php code base a bit and it is a clusterfuck [17:47] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@2001:470:1f0b:655::10) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:47] gcc and glibc code is clean and has pristine organization [17:47] there are weekly patches to correct overflows, underflows, parsers, etc. [17:48] mancha: my comment on sloppy programmign includes the core developers :) [17:48] hah [17:48] hehe [17:48] ok, then we do agree :) [17:48] every software has bugs but a lot or most can be avoided with good programming practices [17:51] choppernator (nix4me@devio.us) joined ##slackware. [17:51] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:52] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:52] choppernator (nix4me@devio.us) left irc: Changing host [17:52] choppernator (nix4me@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [17:52] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-zwkfbaqxeebiqqeo) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:53] why does gnome terminal blink it's cursor? it's irritating for the eyes! [17:54] slava_dp: so configure it to not blink [17:54] personally I prefer a blinking cursor [17:55] no terminal in slack blinks it's cursor. cause it irritates the eyes :) [17:55] I have mine set to blink [17:55] doesn't irritate my eyes :p [17:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] 2.6.18-194. wow. that's what I call patched. [17:56] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) joined ##slackware. [17:56] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:57] garme (~garme@187.79.109.199) joined ##slackware. [17:57] im back [17:58] is there an official slackware channel? [17:58] keenken, this is the one you want. [17:58] No. [17:59] is there any hot chixors in here? [17:59] as close to official as it gets :P [17:59] two. [17:59] two? [17:59] they single [17:59] ask their boyfriends [17:59] I'm looking for a girl with the same needs as mine... [17:59] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:59] Just preparation [18:00] they're imaginary so you can make them how you like [18:00] keenken: try an asylum [18:00] Action: troy high fives alienBOB [18:00] skywise, lmao... that was too funny. [18:00] keenken: this is not the place [18:00] Move one door to the right please [18:01] just preparation, preparation H. [18:01] ##slackware isn't the place to get a slackware girl? [18:01] then where? [18:01] This is a support channel for Slackware, not for your hormones [18:01] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:01] keenken: freenode, generally, isn't the place to pick people up [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] for girls, head over to #ubuntu-women ;) [18:01] take 10mg lysergic acid diethylamide and don't call in the morning [18:01] sluts [18:01] oh wow... there's a channel called that? [18:02] lmao... omg there is.. [18:02] ^^ [18:02] keenken: yes, however, they will probably lay the beat down on you if you try hitting on them :P [18:02] pleasurable beat down? [18:02] go find out. [18:02] The Moon is Waxing Crescent (1% of Full) [18:02] hm that doesn't explain it .... [18:02] That time again? [18:02] you might get k-lined :P [18:03] I can kick him... will be faster and less absolute [18:03] alienBOB: well I have a feeling ## is in a seperate timezone and the moon lately has been near full enough ;) [18:03] BP{k}: according to the locak weaterforcast venus will also be visible in the sky tonight so ... :) [18:03] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) left ##slackware. [18:03] Action: troy notes that I'm in a channel that alienBOB is op in, and he's in a channel that I'm op in - it's like a network graph :P [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Hehe [18:03] NyteOwl: haha. [18:03] anmd the ISS for 2 minutes at my latitude [18:03] hmm I need an android app for that ;) [18:03] nyteowl... wow i live north mideastern america [18:04] will i be able to see it? [18:04] you guys, they're giving me a beat down alright.. [18:04] i asked nicely as well... [18:05] i for one am shocked [18:05] why is that? [18:05] i wasn't actually [18:06] "i, for one, am not shocked." [18:06] the only thing more insecure then a geek is a she geek [18:06] no idea [18:06] what's a she geek? [18:07] the species you're in pursuit of [18:07] oic... sexist... [18:07] not at all [18:08] can you explain the logic in that? [18:08] i don't see it at all? i'm really trying hard too... [18:08] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:08] the things that make male geeks unattractive is even more effective for females [18:08] *cough* http://xkcd.com/322/ [18:09] theres an xkcd for everything [18:09] you a psychologist? [18:09] evilgaymes [18:09] sup jeevster? [18:09] nothing much [18:09] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: ^D [18:09] Skywise: Indeed. All parts of life can be expressed by one or more xkcd comics [18:09] the other day i met jermaine jackson and i was like.. "too bad i never met michael" [18:09] i didn't tell him that though lol [18:09] I thought you did meet michael, during your youth? [18:09] na [18:10] Action: eviljames should know better than to speak ill of the dead, but it was an easy shot [18:10] dang, that xkcd comics made me feel real low... [18:10] jeev: I hope michael faked his death and will have a resurrection tour [18:10] eviljames: gives new meaning to Thriller :P [18:10] eviljames, ... i forgot about him to tell you the truth [18:10] eviljames, same with tupac.. but someone on the inside who met tupac.. told me 100% it was suge [18:10] eviljames: he lready looked like a zombie anyway [18:11] choppernator (nix4me@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:11] jeev, i totally agree... [18:11] troy: art imitating life imitating michael jackson? [18:11] jeev, that dang money... [18:11] jeev: I'm sure it was. Now who did Biggie Smalls? [18:11] this guy i met was cool with tupac.. suge owed pac so much money [18:11] wait. wait .. hold on a sec... it just dawned on me [18:11] eviljames, biggie probably didn't give in to puffy's bisexuality, so puffy had him killed too [18:11] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [18:11] jeev: Are you saying that 2/pac was an inside job? [18:11] eviljames, uh yea it's pretty obvious it was suge's planning. [18:12] suge owed pac soooooooooooooooooooooooo much money. i saw that loser walking across the street, should've ran his ass over [18:12] cant believe we live amongst killers [18:12] NyteOwl: He kinda looked like a what a zombie would be in Tussaud's wax museum [18:12] jeev, you believe puff is bi? [18:12] keenken, i have inside on everything and yes. [18:12] You don't? [18:12] keenken: Haven't you seen his tv show? [18:13] .. or listened to his awful, awful music? [18:13] that's too funny... i heard someone famous said he saw puff interact with males before [18:13] Action: fire|bird slaps eviljames, shouldn't you be spamming ##slackware-offtopic about now, after all, this is offtopic chatter. ;) [18:13] (Not that making awful music has any bearing on sexual orientation) [18:13] keenken, i've met most celebrities and know most of their people.. i know everything [18:13] fire|bird: oh right. [18:13] i suspicious of guys with good haircuts [18:13] jeev, what makes you so important to meet "most" celebrities ... i can understand one or two... [18:14] Skywise: Guys with good haircuts either a) have a gay hairstylist, b) have a girlfriend, or c) all of the above. [18:14] keenken, im awesome and i'm not a groupie either! [18:14] skywise, the prettiest people do the ugliest things... why i get a haircut rarely.. [18:14] choppernator (nix4me@devio.us) joined ##slackware. [18:14] choppernator (nix4me@devio.us) left irc: Changing host [18:14] choppernator (nix4me@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:14] i must meet michael jordan, that's the only guy i really wanna meet. [18:14] i not only wanna meet him, i want to befriend him. [18:15] jeev, you're a groupie [18:15] give it up... [18:15] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:15] all you gotta do is stalk him [18:15] keenken, MICHAEL JORDAN man! i never cared about anyone else. [18:15] Skywise: and, by your suspicion of well-groomed males, I assume you trust RMS whole heartedly? [18:15] i aint no groupie, that's for sure [18:15] jeev, why... i guess i didn't grow up in Michaels time... [18:15] ah, man. [18:16] but i'm not obsessed with koby eithr [18:16] kobe* either** [18:16] you dont know how amazing he was, i was so young and i couldn't appreciate what he was to the game of basketball. [18:16] i didn't even know how amazing he was. [18:16] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:17] hey anyone using empathy? [18:17] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:17] any voip professionals ? [18:18] mj had amazing teammates [18:19] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] mj didn't have pao gasol. [18:19] skywise, true... kobe thinks he can do it by himself(he can though) [18:19] you saw he couldn't do anything with the wizards [18:19] skywise, phil jackson. [18:19] skywise, ... wow... comparing him when he aged to when he was young... that's silly... who do you know that retires and then comes back. [18:19] I think he got the wizards to the playoffs [18:20] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [18:20] it wasn't that long a spell [18:20] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:20] the fact was that he didn't have the supporting cast and could easily be isolated [18:20] with the bulls, you focused on mj and the rest of the team would cream you [18:20] and what was up with all that weak stuff... every time they put him up against a actual worthy player he was guarding some joe schmoe [18:21] kobe is overrated, i could guard him better than most people in the NBA [18:21] jeev, omg... [18:21] i'm thinking lebron is overrated [18:21] jeev, in your dreams... [18:22] skywise, everyone is overrated... except the underrated... [18:22] he just can't carry the team when they need it [18:23] kobe is the man [18:23] he can win a ring 1v5 on the court [18:23] kobe is the best player... [18:23] lebron is solid but.. shit man play better [18:24] kobe sucks balls [18:24] jeev, wth... [18:24] jeev, i can even understand non-sense... [18:24] keenken, if you disagree with my statements then you're an ubunti fan [18:24] duh... [18:25] i've been a ubuntu fan [18:25] i was thinking about slackware though :) [18:25] wow, no wonder! [18:25] pfft... [18:25] Action: troy randomly wonders if we could build slack with the bsd toolchain :P [18:25] take that RMS! [18:25] what is ubuntu to this channel? [18:25] keenken a stool softener [18:26] jeev makes sense... [18:26] oh, clang doesn't do C++ well enough yet *sigh* [18:26] could please anybody suggest some guide how to compile kernel and isntall slackware for a production server as to performance etc. [18:26] troy: it's *possible* but *why?* [18:26] jewbacca, nice name.. ahaha [18:27] keenken: meh [18:27] ahaha [18:27] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:27] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[18:36] too bad The_Seeker's not still here. the 'usb keyboard in installer' thing was dealt with. could use testing [18:36] is pat having some fun with creative naming of snapshots? [18:36] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] ? [18:37] beta1 rc1 etc, it's all chinese to me [18:37] doesn't it just all mean, 13.1 is to be released pronto? [18:38] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-153-238-150.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:38] is there a list of milestones for the 13.1 release somewhere? [18:38] sirslcaker_ (~sirslacke@p579B5265.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:39] yes, but it gives folks that watch -current something to use as a countdown timer [18:39] as for milestone, no. same as it's been for years: ready when ready, not before [18:40] he's using RC to mean "if nobody finds anything wrong with this, it will become the release" [18:40] iirc fetchmail version has been upgraded solving a security issue, no surprises there, maybe i ll send an email later [18:40] alphageek: ah, should have known that after using slackware since 12.0 :p [18:40] usually something minor has to be fixed, which results in a 2nd RC [18:40] BEn3 (~alpha@93-45-139-56.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:41] i mean a new fetchmail version has been released, not upgraded* [18:41] Guest1747 (~andrew@pool-96-234-49-201.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:42] just don't count on there being an RC2 [18:42] right, if there's no need for one, there won't be [18:42] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [18:42] i really dont care, i dont use it, i just noticed the other day [18:42] slackware 11.0 went all the way to RC5, others much fewer [18:42] or pat might fix whatever minor issues are in RC1 and call that the release [18:42] isn't there still an open issue with nfs-utils 1.2.2 defaulting to vers=4 ? [18:43] NFS v4 has only been out what, 15 years now, still too new to trust it :) [18:43] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:44] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:44] hah [18:45] Action: troy wonders if he has to install pam to get his fingerprint reader working [18:45] it's the only piece of hardware left on this laptop that isn't supported out of the box on -current [18:45] yep, biometric readers need a pam module [18:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.156.229) joined ##slackware. [18:45] I haven't been following the nfs details as well as I should.. what's up? [18:46] troy, so you can join me in the "install pam already" crusade [18:46] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [18:46] alphageek: when you go to mount, even tho the slackbuild has nfsv4 disabled, it's defaulting to nfsv4 ...so you get an error about an invalid arguement [18:47] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [18:47] nifty [18:47] robby knows about it [18:47] sounds like upstream goofed [18:47] We all know about it, that is why the installer was patched to force vers=3 [18:49] Why not just..enable nfsv4? [18:50] Yes, if Pat would agree to that - which he does not [18:50] Not sure that makes sense to me [18:50] He went for ext4...but not nfsv4? [18:50] How is that analogous? [18:50] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:50] also kde4 [18:50] nfsv4 is..definitely more mature of a product than ext4 [18:51] and libpng 1.<<4>>.2 [18:51] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:51] I mean..its his distro. He can do whatever the hell he wants..his logic just doesn't make sense a lot of times. [18:51] That's all. [18:52] yoyoned (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [18:52] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:53] http://www.google.ca/search?q=nfsv4+issues [18:53] interesting read [18:53] I know of a few Slackware users that have had major EXT4 issues too [18:54] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:54] also a lot of nfsv4 issues are indeed pebkac, unfair to blame nsf [18:55] straterra: what kind of issues? I use ext4 exclusively here, so a heads up would be nice [18:56] choppernator (nix4me@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:56] The ext4 issues were happening during the early stage of the "stable" ext4 [18:56] maybe with 2.6.29.6, with recent kernels ext4 must be much safer [18:56] Indeed [18:57] just a socratic question, when did linus agree to mainline nfsv4? mmmkay? [18:57] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [18:58] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:59] Action: alphageek pokes straterra: citation needed [19:00] StarX, shitty argument, since ext4 was the default in 13.0 with 2.6.29.6 [19:00] alphageek, I've had ext4 swallow a / partition with 2.6.31.x [19:01] ouch [19:01] !? [19:01] thrice`, but did / store anything important? [19:01] heh [19:01] filesystems feed off important data [19:01] just the distro [19:02] like /home [19:02] or /pr0n [19:02] mancha, that is not that important, i find it pretty easy to refill... [19:02] brtfs will not much on anything that isn't pr0n, for example. [19:02] munch* [19:03] thrice`: s/starx/sahko? yes i know [19:03] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:03] re:fetchmail http://developer.berlios.de/project/shownotes.php?group_id=1824&release_id=17512 email sent [19:03] i've yet to migrate to ext4, from what i've tracked, one of the benfits of ext4 is also what makes it a more prone to data loss from say a blackout [19:04] sahko, right :> [19:05] yeah, we want the new fetchmail! [19:05] also add in pidgin w.o vulnerable emoticons, kthx [19:06] mancha: the only thing I've noticed in that regard is that files open for write get partially clobbered with nulls [19:06] doubt pidgin. it was rebuilt today [19:06] doubt pidgin 2.7.0* [19:06] but then again, don't most filesystems have that 'feature'? [19:06] I'll stick with jfs for few more years [19:06] or decades [19:07] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [19:08] I thought 2.7.0 fixed a security vuln. too [19:08] it does [19:08] i did too. not sure though. i think i read in lwn some distro upgraded to it [19:08] it keeps you from getting a$$ raped with emotioncs [19:08] :> [19:08] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:09] http://pidgin.im/news/security/?id=46 [19:09] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] what I'd love is a way to disable display of those damned annoying huge animated emoticons sent from the windows client [19:10] the idea of converting ascii :) to an image of a smiley always struck me as weird [19:10] or is that not what it does? [19:11] it parses text, substituting icons of various degrees of annoyance as it goes [19:11] emoticons suck! :-) [19:11] hopefully something that can be disabled [19:12] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:12] speaking of pidgin, how is video/audio support in it? I haven't used it in years [19:13] it recently was overhauled [19:14] have you tried it? does it work with anything other than XMPP? [19:14] ok, haven't upgraded stable to current in forever, is recommended to upgradepkg aaa_elflibs or not? [19:14] (I know you don't do that when upgrading -current to a newer -current) [19:14] mako, never used it [19:15] Urchlay, really, read the slack-desc [19:15] oh, it's documented there now? [19:15] Urch, it'll overwrite anything that you upgraded beyond the snapshot time of aaa_elflibs [19:15] aaa_elflibs: This package should be not upgraded or reinstalled (it could copy [19:15] aaa_elflibs: over newer library versions). [19:15] right, "now" :0 [19:15] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:15] Urchlay: check C&H [19:15] Urch which is 99 times out of 100 unwanted behavior [19:16] it should be harmless if Pat does his homework, I think [19:16] er, yeah, but. I'm *wanting* to copy over the existing library versions, assuming the ones in -current aaa_elflibs are newer than the 13.0 ones on the system currently [19:16] eg, they will all be overwritten again [19:16] Carie^ (BabaNet@41.236.14.222) joined ##slackware. [19:16] but if you're not doing it from a 'liv' environment, it might b0rk the system's libs for a while [19:16] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:17] if it all evolves in tandem and you never do you ownupgrading beyond the official there would be no harm in upgrading. [19:17] guess it depends whether pat's rebuilt aaa_elflibs for 13.1rc1 [19:17] but i don't think the elflibs evolve in tandem [19:17] I know durring the -current cycle, aaa_elflibs goes untouched for long period of time [19:17] Urchlay: read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT & UPGRADE.TXT [19:17] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:17] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:18] CHANGES_AND_HINTS doesn [19:18] Urch, right so there's your answer, there are windows of time where you potentially squash newer with older. [19:18] doesn't contain the string aaa [19:18] just use slackpkg and don't worry about it :) [19:18] UPGRADE.TXT is outdated (described upgrading from 12.2 to 13.0) [19:18] am going to use slackpkg. Making sure I shouldn't be adding aaa_elflibs to /etc/slackpkg/blacklist [19:19] i see no reason to upgrade that package Urch. [19:19] it's a failsafe anyways, leave it be. [19:19] it's already there and commented [19:19] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [19:19] er, commented added abou tit [19:19] so it is [19:20] what I worry about is upgrading some a/ or ap/ package that'll need some new lib that exists in l/, which won't be installed yet... [19:20] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B5265.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:20] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] alphageek: I know thrice` had some issues a couple of times..random corruption, I believe [19:20] yep, slackware expects you to handle dependencies [19:21] right. Well if the new lib isn't installed yet, the a/ package won't run... if it's a binary called by slackpkg, whoops [19:21] you'll find out on the first run though: newestlib.so.3.1.4 no such file or blah [19:21] yeah [19:21] purpose of asking was to avoid finding out the hard way [19:21] and the question was misguided, aaa_elflibs is not the answer to your woes [19:21] never mind, should know better [19:22] it could be, if the l/ library in question is one that's in aaa_elflibs [19:22] yes there is that chance [19:22] weigh it against the chance that the lib in aaa_elf is older than some other which break other things [19:22] so is the possible cure worse than the disease? [19:23] screw it, I know how to fix it if I break it [19:23] irc is not the place to look for unambiguous answers [19:23] imo elflibs can very safely be upgraded in a full install of current [19:23] it'll work, just do it :) [19:23] don't upgrade aaa_elfilbs is unambiguous enough for me :) [19:23] this is a full install of 13.0 that I want to upgrade to -current [19:24] 99.9% of the libs are from other packages anyway [19:24] 100% I thought [19:24] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:24] theres rarely one or two that dont, usually during the devel cycle [19:24] not at the time of release [19:24] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [19:25] but l/ comes after a/ alphabetically, and unlike a fresh install, I'm using the patient as the doctor too (upgrading the system that's running the upgrade) [19:25] happened with curl at some point [19:25] here's the timeline.... slack 13.0 release with aaa_elf totally in sync ---> -ccurent aaa_elf updated to be current with current of 2/10/2010 and you install current of 5/14/2010 [19:25] woopsy daisy [19:25] anyway I got plenty of time to decide, it'll take hours to download all those packages (I haven't been rsyncing 32-bit -current) [19:26] grazymax (~grazymax@host178-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:27] garme_ (~garme@189.17.129.210) joined ##slackware. [19:27] garme_ (garme@189.17.129.210) left ##slackware. [19:27] Carie^ (BabaNet@41.236.14.222) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:28] case in point aaa_elf of current is from 5/3/2010 (i am actually surprised, didn't know he kept that relatively current) [19:28] yet libpng is from 5/13/2010 [19:28] or 5/8/2010 i guess. same diff. [19:29] garme (~garme@187.79.109.199) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:29] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:30] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:30] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [19:31] someone shoot me [19:31] yah. If some binary in a/ happened to need libpng, and I installed it on a 13.0 box, and tried to run it, it'd be trying to use the installed libpng.so from 13.0, which could fail [19:31] Urchlay: probably a good idea to start grabbing stuff now while it's quiet. at this point, subsequent updates will be relatively small [19:31] something in a/ requiring libpng would be a failure :) [19:31] a/ is essentially low-level system stuff [19:31] haha [19:31] sure, replace libpng with any other lib [19:31] argument stands [19:31] $some_lib from 13.1rc1 isn't installed yet, and I install an a/ package that needs it [19:32] and it happens to be something that slackpkg uses [19:32] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [19:32] I suppose the thing to do is upgrade l/ first [19:33] you're worryin gfor nothing :) [19:33] (presumably most/all of the .so stuff there will be backwards-compatible enough to let the 13.0 binaries keep running) [19:33] Urchlay: slackpkg will not suffer from such a scenario, and if it would, it will be taken care of internally by slackpkg [19:33] actually the thing to upgrade first is of course libc [19:33] well I have to have something to do for the next N hours while waiting for the stuff to finish downloading :) [19:34] mancha: well yeah, that's standard procedure [19:34] it's not always relevant urch, libc didn't change between 12's and not until current in the recent history [19:35] yeah, but in that case, upgrading it won't hurt anything (just won't do anything) [19:35] though i guess the headers might have changed i don't follow that too closely [19:35] different pkg [19:36] thrice`: something in a/ requiring libpng would be a failure :) ... but libpng is part of aaa_elflibs .... [19:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:38] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:38] we should start a pool on when 13.1 is released. we could go by days or maybe higher granularity, day;hour ? [19:38] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:38] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] what's the winner win? [19:39] a few dvd release [19:39] and it's $1 to enter the pool [19:39] if you do it by the day, you'll get thousands of duplicate entries [19:39] or maybe higher, dunno. [19:39] 4 of us would have a slight advantage. it's left as an exercise for the student to figure out who & why [19:39] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:40] hopefully those 4 would recuse themselves [19:40] .00000................................ [19:41] Urch by the hour makes most sense [19:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.156.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:41] alphageek, don't you create the torrents usually? :) [19:41] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [19:42] if he sets it up on his store, he could make a little money [19:42] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:43] thrice`: torrents & sligdo filesets, yes [19:43] thrice`, im analyzing your rtp stream right now [19:43] and? [19:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.156.229) joined ##slackware. [19:43] you've been saying nasty things to your peeps [19:43] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [19:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:44] speaking of which, I goofed. I haven't been keeping the sligo files hosted at slackware.com updated [19:45] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:47] jd (jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left ##slackware ("©"). [19:47] Action: alphageek fixes [19:47] anyways, time to rock the casbah. he better hurry if he want to implement my release-pool game. i only will require a t-shirt as royalty. [19:48] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:48] Action: alphageek enters '2010' into the pool [19:50] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:51] notified pat about pidgin too, to my reply to his own about fetchmail [19:51] j0z (~j0z@189.26.45.192.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:52] sahko: whats with pidgin? [19:52] newer version [19:53] mhm [19:53] pupit: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Pidgin-2-7-0-addresses-emoticon-vulnerability-999692.html [19:53] security update [19:53] http://pidgin.im/news/security/?id=46 [19:53] shame it still can't do video/audio for msn [19:56] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [19:58] custom emoticons, never liked them. pidgin always had trouble displaying them. [19:59] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [19:59] I'm trying to install transmission. I get a c cannot create executable error with exit code 77. Every forum I visit says g++ and gcc should be installed, but they're already installed on my system. Any ideas? [19:59] This was from running transmission.SlackBuild by the way. [19:59] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:00] isn't transmission scripted [20:00] ? 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[20:00] thrice, No, it doesn't come with x86_64 :( [20:01] the only slackbuild is 32 bit [20:01] yes it does, you have to set it if you're on 64-bit [20:01] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/network/transmission/transmission.SlackBuild [20:01] elif [ "$ARCH" = "x86_64" ]; then [20:01] transmission does some funky "transmissions" though, as ironic as that might be [20:01] you have to change the i486 to x86_64 in the slackbuild [20:01] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:02] or, run it like: ARCH="x86_64" sh transmission.SlackBuild [20:02] e271 (~chatzilla@proxy2.whiteselectronics.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [20:02] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:03] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Oh ok. I sort of assumed it was only 32 bit since the information file didn't have a 64 bit download link. [20:03] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:03] paissad__ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:05] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [20:06] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [20:06] j0z (~j0z@187.59.10.96) joined ##slackware. [20:06] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:06] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-121-068.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [20:06] Is it good practice to install things as root? [20:07] compile as user, install as root (or with sudo) [20:07] twoshot_: read the slackbuilds.org faq [20:07] sahko & phrag: K thanks. [20:07] all the questions you asked are answered there [20:11] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:12] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. 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[20:43] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-143-21.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:43] v4nelle (~van@79.107.212.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:44] 8o) [20:45] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-124.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] |Slacker| (~cris@189.116.62.17) joined ##slackware. [20:48] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:52] hey , how do I enlist the opened files of a process ? [20:52] slackytude|evil (~slacky@g227026233.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:53] lsof [20:53] also, fuser [20:55] slackytude (~slacky@f051165106.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:55] strange, I have IDE drive, when booted, it was recognized as hda but when on the filesystem there are /dev/sda block devices [20:56] *but on the fs [20:56] only [20:57] the installation process was operating with hda devices and partitions [20:58] but after reboot I got L 01 01 01 01 error from lilo [20:59] and when I booted from livecd, there are sda* block devices created, which are not in the fstab [20:59] installing current [21:00] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:00] don't install current [21:00] its not the current release but the current development [21:00] sorry [21:01] I installed 13.0 [21:01] but the kernels and stuff for chroot I used from current [21:01] you can't do that [21:01] current uses different device names [21:02] Skywise, is this the new kernel change ? [21:02] as to hda / sda ? [21:02] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-124.dial.telus.net) left ##slackware. [21:02] the block devices are all sdx [21:02] since 2.6.3x kernel version ? [21:03] the inclusion upstream was made in 2.6.19 [21:04] it would be best to install the default kernel and then upgrade [21:04] hockey game is back on, bbiab [21:05] I'm satisfied with 13.0 at all [21:05] but I'm getting L 01 01 01 01 :) [21:05] You need to reinstall LILO then. [21:05] which I guess could be that lilo doesn't uses the first 1024 for bios [21:05] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-20-215.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:06] cause this machine is 8 years old [21:06] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:06] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Public Channel Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26 2009 | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Security: sudo, irssi | Slackware 13.1 RC1 Released! [21:06] yay [21:12] ew [21:12] rc1 ? [21:13] newslacker (kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [21:14] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-34-48.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:15] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:16] lisak (~lisak@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:19] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:09] troy_ (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [22:13] j0z (~j0z@187.59.10.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:13] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] greetings and salutations [22:13] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [22:14] wotcha andarius =] [22:15] wotcha BP{k} :) [22:16] evening andarius, BP{k}:) [22:17] salutations hitest [22:17] :) [22:17] howdy hitest :) [22:17] hiya BP{k}:) [22:17] how are you guys tonight? [22:18] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [22:18] Action: andarius is doing well. you ? [22:19] hitest: not bad at all. :) [22:19] I am doing well, thank you, andarius. Just upgrading my -current boxes to 13.1 RC1:) [22:19] BP{k}: good to hear:) [22:19] hi andarius [22:21] bbiab [22:23] salutations thrice` [22:35] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:36] j0z (~j0z@187.59.10.96) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Nick change: fire|bird -> peregrine|falcon [22:39] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Nick change: peregrine|falcon -> fire|bird [22:43] keenken (~keenken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:45] gospch_ (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [22:47] Nick change: troy_ -> troy [22:49] mancha: regarding pam- I already install it here anyway - I get certain precompiled binaries that expect it to be there, so I put it there [22:50] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:50] Nick change: gospch_ -> gospch [22:52] peacenik (cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:53] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [22:56] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] my computer hibernates after being in suspend for 30 minutes - does anybody know here this behavior is defined? i saw nothing in the bios or anything mentioned in the pm utils docs [23:01] How is it being suspended? [23:02] Chris Abela - are you here? [23:02] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:03] normally the only thing a computer can do while suspended is wake up - I assume it's waking up to hibernate? [23:05] rworkman: i call pm-suspend-hybrid [23:05] yeah, its funny, it wakes up politely and then hibernates :-) [23:06] fhobia it's a battery thing :) [23:06] maybe i should just call pm-suspend [23:06] it does it despite what charge level i'm at though [23:06] it is very polite and on time computer [23:06] very well mannered [23:06] Action: fhobia pats the computer [23:07] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:07] fhobia, you're lucky, mine goes to sleep and never wakes up. or requires banging on keys [23:07] fhobia: that's why it does it -- hybrid is *designed* to do that. [23:08] haha i see, rworkman [23:08] Well, I'm not sure it's *designed* to *always* do that -- supposedly, it's supposed to write the image to both ram and disk. Then if battery dies, you can still resume [23:08] yeah, thats what i thought [23:08] maybe i didn't read it close enough to see that it hibernates after some time... [23:08] Something is causing your machine to wake up and hibernate; I don't know what is doing that. Is this in -current? [23:08] yeah [23:09] pm-utils in 13.0 shouldn't do that, but in -current, it might. I know some changes re hybrid were made, but I don't recall what. [23:09] My lappy doesn't support that, so I have zero real experience with it [23:09] hiptobecubic: :D some computers get really tired and need to sleep a lot . . . [23:09] rworkman: ok [23:13] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [23:13] hey guys [23:13] i read the man page [23:13] ... [23:13] PM_HIBERNATE_DELAY default to 900 [23:14] :) thanks guys [23:14] damn, they say thinkpads are the best for linux [23:14] no way.... [23:14] asus is much better :P [23:14] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Quit: senate/irc:0.1b -- by cyberpunk.. [23:14] upgrading \o/ [23:14] yay juan--d-_-b [23:14] fhobia: cool, so we both learned something :-) [23:14] to beta 1 ? [23:15] fhobia: mmm im on current actually :P [23:15] yeah, i'm always in a hurry and i skip something in the man page :/ [23:15] fhobia: :) [23:15] it always bites me later [23:15] juan--d-_-b: oh ok, upgrading to the most current of current? [23:15] yes hehe [23:16] cool [23:16] fhobia, thinkpads are popular in business circles, and linux has good support for them [23:17] i guess so... [23:17] i've had a t43 for 5 years, and there are still some things that don't work [23:17] well, i think i didn't try hard enough [23:17] mostly the whole graphics bit working on suspend/resume and dual monitors etc [23:17] it ain't bad [23:18] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:18] does the intel robson stuff work under linux yet? [23:19] robson? [23:19] google it [23:19] damn [23:21] nice tech [23:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:22] I had a T41, and all was fine. alienBOB has a T43 that everything work on iirc [23:22] T30 was perfect too [23:22] i looked it up on bing and i got robson retirement communities [23:22] T400 is perfect [23:23] guess i should use the intel keyword [23:23] fhobia: Never, ever expect bing to give decent results. [23:23] i thought it was cool to hate google now [23:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Turbo_Memory [23:23] first hit in google [23:24] They've still got the best bleeding search algorithm on the planet. [23:24] rworkman: :) i am fail on my t43 [23:24] |Slacker| (~cris@189.116.62.17) joined ##slackware. [23:25] LF4 (~ae7e42ff@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [23:27] i get 781 fps in glxgears [23:32] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-37-216.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:35] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] pi31415 (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:45] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Darn it I cant figure out why ssh is giving me this error. >:| [23:47] What error? [23:47] Anyone know why I'd get a "Name or service not known" when using an IP address? [23:49] maybe cause sshd isn't running [23:49] Nope sshd is running on all of them. I can ssh from home but not localy. [23:50] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:51] 34 computers in the schools computer lab. I can ssh to all of them directly from home using putty in windows. I get that error when trying to ssh from my linux system. :/ [23:51] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:51] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: let your mind ride out on the storm [23:51] maybe you're using the external ip instead of the internal one [23:51] superGear (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] superGear (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:52] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [23:52] superGear (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Probably [23:52] Skywise: they are all public IP's the school has the lab in a DMZ with all 34 of those computers. [23:52] hiya * [23:52] lf4 [23:52] Hey The-Croupier [23:52] well, see if you can traceroute to it [23:52] you're tryign t ssh in? [23:52] what if dns isn't working there [23:52] is it internal dns ? [23:52] try to ping it from linux and see if it responds or at least dns's [23:53] resolves [23:53] what is he trying to do? [23:53] [08:49pm] 34 computers in the schools computer lab. I can ssh to all of them directly from home using putty in windows. I get that error when trying to ssh from my linux system. :/ [23:53] from inside to inside, or from outside to inside [23:54] what is the error [23:54] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-164-126.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] name or service not known [23:54] maybe he is not setting up ssh correctly [23:54] perhaps your linux system's port file or whatever it is [23:54] e/tc/services is missing it or smoething [23:56] should ask him whether he can view a web page on that linux box :-P [23:56] fhobia: On my linux box or the schools? [23:56] lf4, ping the hostname from your linux box [23:56] linux box [23:58] jeev: They are dropping ping packets, even in windows ping is not succesful. [23:58] lf4, does the hostname resolve to an ip ? [23:58] I'm not using hostname's, but the public ip's [23:58] can you telnet to the ip port 22 ? [23:58] telnet ip 22 [23:59] LF4: ping ip-address-of-computer [23:59] and see what happens [23:59] or ping www.google.com [23:59] croup, he said it's blocking anyway, ahh [23:59] you mean connection to the net, good one. [23:59] lf4, you take way too long to respond for someone asking questions [23:59] you've got people waiting here [00:00] also do you need loopback to be present or anything funny like that ? [00:00] --- Sat May 15 2010