[00:01] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.18) joined ##slackware. [00:02] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:03] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.29) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:05] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-135-98.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:08] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:08] http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=09020341 <---- awwww. all she had was a little cocaine on her.... sheesh [00:10] crazyhors (n=dirk@75.159.68.169) joined ##slackware. [00:10] crazyhors (n=dirk@75.159.68.169) left ##slackware. [00:11] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.33.33) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:11] she's hawt too [00:12] Nick change: RaeGrepus -> superGear [00:13] released on bond ... a rich hawty too .. [00:13] only $2000 [00:14] gooph_ (n=chatzill@mail.gwiinc.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] gooph (n=chatzill@mail.gwiinc.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:14] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Nick change: gooph_ -> gooph [00:15] i'd post her bond [00:15] lol [00:15] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] lol [00:17] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:17] antler: what the hell are you looking at? [00:17] is there a search feature? [00:18] lmao [00:18] courtesy of edman007 http://mugshots.tampabay.com/browse/gender/female/?page=5 [00:18] acidchild: ^^ [00:18] haha. thats awesome. [00:19] thats awesome [00:20] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@115.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [00:20] antler, that pic looks miss categorized... [00:21] totally [00:21] so she likes a little snow now and then [00:21] http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/pinellas/2009/apr/10/1349296/ [00:21] hahaha [00:21] she's no crack whore...yet [00:21] nullboy: lol [00:21] 80yr old 'Exposure Of Sexual Organs' [00:22] rofl [00:22] only you, man. only you... [00:22] hahah [00:22] god I'll be having nightmares over some of these skanks now. [00:22] lol [00:23] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [00:24] oh this one takes the cake. i win http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/pinellas/2009/apr/08/1348979/ [00:24] i'd bail her out too [00:24] along with Miss Snow [00:24] haha lap dancing [00:24] hahah awesome [00:25] Action: edman007 lets he commit more crimes [00:25] s/he/her/ [00:25] lol [00:26] does net let you select an age group and sex does it? [00:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [00:26] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] Obtain Prop For Worthless Ck (more Than $, Obtain Prop For Worthless Ck (more Than $ [00:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:26] anyone know what that means? [00:26] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:26] which one? [00:26] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:26] Obtain Prop For Worthless Ck (more Than $, Obtain Prop For Worthless Ck (more Than $ [00:26] bounced a check [00:26] alot of the over 300lb have that. [00:26] acidchild: bought something with a worthless cheque [00:27] yeah bounced a cheque [00:29] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.171) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-74-122-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:29] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:29] so basically, we need to bail out the snow boarder, the lap dancer and this one too http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/pinellas/2009/apr/07/1348807/ [00:30] she was .2 [00:30] that's insane [00:30] PiterPunk, u busy? [00:30] PiterPunk, i need a little help with slackpkg [00:31] nullboy, 0.2 or higher? and tried to drive? [00:31] seriously [00:31] she's in the party group, for sure [00:31] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] Action: edman007 thought it was hard to drive in a coma [00:31] so we have a lap dancer, a still pretty coke head, and an uber drunk chick. what else is needed for this party? [00:31] WTH? Is this Utah or Florida?? http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/hillsborough/2009/apr/11/09020266/ [00:32] oh for sure, she's in too ^ [00:32] mercfate: perhaps asking the question here might generate more help [00:32] right [00:32] Writ Of Habeus Corpus Ad Testificandum, Grand Theft Third Degree ($300 - $5,000) [00:32] when i run slackpkg upgrade-all [00:32] what the hell is writ of habeus corpus ad testificadum? [00:32] "Possession Of Alcoholic Beverage By Person"... that's a crime in Tampa Bay? [00:33] bijit_ (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [00:33] i receive an error [00:33] cool, me too [00:33] Urchlay: when you are less than 21 [00:33] mercfate: what's the error? [00:33] Ewww. Just eww. http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/pinellas/2009/apr/10/1349316/ [00:33] epic failure to write decent question. [00:33] Looking for packages to upgrade. Please wait... DONE [00:33] Error opening terminal: aterm. [00:33] NaCl: but it doesn't actually say "person under 21", just says "person" [00:33] Package Error is already in cache - not downloading [00:33] rworkman: "That's not your mother, it's a man, baby!" [00:34] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [00:34] nullboy: antler: Writ Of Habeus Corpus Ad Testificandum <-- ? [00:34] what the hell is that? [00:34] lieing in court? [00:34] acidchild: i think it means that she either gave testimony or must [00:34] mercfate: echo $TERM [00:34] rworkman: LOL @ pic. [00:34] acidchild: no idea [00:34] Um... what's wrong with this pic? http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/pinellas/2009/apr/10/1349231/ [00:34] she said something and must say something in court [00:34] http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/pasco/2009/feb/14/200902017/ not too bad [00:35] "habeus corpus ad testificandum" means something like "having the body for testifying", if my rusty Latin skillz are worth anything [00:35] bash-3.1$ echo $TERM [00:35] aterm [00:35] mercfate: are you runnign aterm? [00:35] acidchild: a writ ordering return with the body of a prisoner for the purposes of testifying. [00:35] no [00:35] A subpoena ad testificandum is a court summons to appear and give oral testimony for use at a hearing or trial [00:35] i started use xfce [00:35] rworkman: looks like a peanut in its shell :P [00:35] rworkman: never heard of the "addadicktome" operation? [00:35] and xfce uses other terminal [00:35] you must appear and testify [00:36] how i can update to xfce term? [00:36] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-6ab2830337bc3976) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:36] rworkman: http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/pinellas/2009/apr/14/1349742/ [00:36] acidchild: evening [00:36] mercfate: check your ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile to make sure they don't set TERM=aterm somewhere [00:36] rworkman: wow check them eyes out [00:36] Urchlay: I guess so :) [00:37] LOL [00:37] right [00:37] alisonken1noc: ezi :> [00:37] thanks [00:37] acidchild: been a while, but I'm now working graveyard at Dreamhost [00:37] the designer of this website must have had fun with this project. [00:37] alisonken1noc: cool, hows that going? [00:37] ARGH http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/pinellas/2009/apr/09/1349163/ [00:38] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-9a15523948b16262) joined ##slackware. [00:38] acidchild: pretty good so far. starting to have fun with clustering servers as well as playing with the new dell's [00:38] holy ... [00:38] http://www.mugshots.com/Criminal/Sex%20Offenders/Chester+Alberto+Vasquez.htm hehe, his name says it all. [00:38] http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/hillsborough/2009/apr/09/09019909/ <-- wth is "unlawful display of license" ?? [00:38] acidchild: and a brand new 16-core sun box [00:38] rworkman: half-human, half-roach? [00:38] what's up with all the little klepto girls [00:38] =( [00:38] i want 16 core [00:39] "unlawful display of license" sounds like she tried to use a fake ID [00:39] Action: edman007 has 8 [00:39] What's up with all the cross-eyed people. [00:39] i have 4 [00:39] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:39] lol [00:39] but why would she need to, it says she's 25 [00:39] First, it is unlawful to display or represent as your own any drivers license not issued to you. Second, it is unlawful to knowingly display a drivers license that has been canceled, revoked, suspended, or disqualified. It is also unlawful to allow someone else to unlawfully use a license issued to you. [00:39] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:39] rworkman: ^^^^ [00:39] too old to ride dumbo, maybe? [00:39] BP{k}: don't spoil the fun :) [00:40] http://mugshots.tampabay.com/mugs/hillsborough/2009/apr/04/09018972/ [00:40] :D [00:40] she beat the hell out of him and is crying now [00:40] alisonken1noc: depends on how old dumbo is ;-) [00:40] rworkman: doh! ;) [00:40] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-d8d2a51efdfd8a3c) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:40] nullboy: hahah strangulation... [00:40] is she a school teacher? [00:40] http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=09020845 [00:40] nullboy: I guess she was choking something besides his chicken [00:40] rworkman, now works fine [00:40] this bitch is well fucked :P [00:41] lmao [00:41] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:41] acidchild: how's that project coming along that I might have worked with you on? [00:41] H/FDOC SRV 30YRS M00 [00:41] alisonken1noc: good thank you, very busy :-) [00:41] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:41] acidchild: good [00:41] mercfate: cool [00:41] rworkman, i changed on xfce terminal the option TERM setting to xtrem and works [00:41] xterm* [00:41] mercfate: TERM=linux is usually a safe choice. [00:42] acidchild: are you working nights now? kept missing you during the day [00:42] thanks a lot [00:42] np [00:42] I have to use TERM=xterm to make screen+irssi behave correctly, but TERM=xterm-color for some other app (vim maybe) [00:42] :D [00:42] this is in a real xterm though [00:42] There's also TERM=xterm-256color, but slack doesn't support that yet. [00:43] and I have one app (atariserver) that works perfectly except it keeps saying "Error disabling cursor"... like I give a damn... [00:44] (emailed author, he wouldn't remove the message upstream, but at least now it says "disabling" instead of "disabeling") [00:44] compile xfce is hard? [00:44] use the run script [00:44] on the site [00:44] the run script makes xfce compile a cinch [00:44] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:45] the last version on slack 12.2 is 4.4.3 [00:45] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:45] tha last version is 4.6 [00:45] i have 4.6 [00:45] i liked the previous versions better [00:45] is good? [00:45] no good [00:45] right [00:45] lol [00:45] they moved to a .desktop setup [00:45] LOL [00:46] kinda confusing on editing your programs in menus [00:46] so i will dont update :D [00:46] i would advise against it [00:46] im using linux from scratch, thats why i have the latest [00:46] its very slackwareish, only no rpm support [00:46] iirc, rworkman put up 4.6 packages on his personal page [00:47] Yes, he did. I am using them. [00:47] u know how i can make the keyboard shortcut to "show desktop" [00:47] but xfce 4.6 looks very clean and runs very smoothly besides [00:47] ? [00:47] under xfce? [00:47] yes [00:47] CTrl Alt D iirc [00:47] lol [00:47] mr squeek, settings, keyboard [00:48] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] thanks.. [00:48] I personally have never seen the need to edit the desktop menu. [00:48] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:48] then application shortcuts [00:48] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] slackwares better about the .desktop files than linux from scratch [00:48] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [00:48] ##slackware: mode change '+b %stef_204!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [00:48] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:49] hrm [00:49] ##slackware: mode change '-b %stef_204!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [00:49] i love fluxbox but will try to xfce [00:49] oh well, too much trouble. [00:49] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [00:49] i nedd to customize more [00:49] nedd* [00:49] lol [00:49] need* [00:49] http://tux4prez.kicks-ass.net:8080/Screenshot-5.jpg [00:50] linux from scratch 6.3 compiz 8.2 xfce 4.6 [00:50] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:50] Action: NaCl wonders why the KDE 4 weather applet always thinks that it is partially cloudy out... [00:50] compiz rlz [00:50] works on gf4 mx 4000? [00:50] this is a nvidia fx5200 [00:51] it works OK, but its not as spectacular as my slackware quad core machine [00:51] =] [00:51] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:51] with the 9600 gt [00:51] lol [00:51] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [00:51] well [00:51] i need to go now [00:51] cya [00:52] thanks for help [00:52] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-74-122-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:53] wrin (n=wrin@75.147.59.54) joined ##slackware. [00:53] What is the status of Free drivers for the Mobile Intel GMA 4500 MHD video card? [00:56] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.5) left irc: "leaving" [00:56] stew (i=1413@freenode/staff/stew) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:57] wrin: What driver does that use? [00:57] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "of all the things ihave done wrong, having done you is the worst" [00:58] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [00:58] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:58] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[01:13] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.181.169.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:13] hi... [01:13] hi [01:14] are you not sure about saying hi? [01:15] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [01:18] wrin (n=wrin@75.147.59.54) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] fireking, well you can have my brains, i already ate em [01:19] edman007 what ? [01:19] Action: edman007 bites fireking [01:19] humm.. [01:19] Action: agentc0re bites edman007 [01:20] Action: edman007 watches agentc0re become a zombie [01:20] Action: john_dee screams: headcrabs attack! [01:20] Action: john_dee looking for a crowbar [01:20] headcrabs don't eat the undead, i'm saved! [01:21] ahaha [01:21] edman007, not from the crowbar :D [01:21] john_dee, noo [01:21] cold pizza in fridge wooh [01:22] nix_chix0r, lurking! [01:22] Action: agentc0re is impervious to crowbar's [01:22] nix_chix0r, did you see the pic of rworkman i found? [01:22] yeah i decided to get up cause it's only a matter of time before the baby wakes up so i'm getting a bottle ready [01:22] edman007, no [01:22] http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7874/tampabaymugshotsindex12.jpg <- workman [01:22] s/work/rwork/ [01:23] doh i cant open them for some reason [01:23] irc is failing and wont let me copy and paste either [01:23] noo, open it...its great [01:24] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.19) joined ##slackware. [01:25] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@115.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [01:25] nix_chix0r, http://tinyurl.com/c4vter <- tinyurl, maybe that works? if not you can type that out [01:25] hey, that's a naked rworkman ;p [01:27] lol i aint gona look then [01:27] hard boiled eggs are rad [01:28] nix_chix0r, its a mug shot, so not X rated [01:28] now click [01:28] noo [01:28] yeeessss [01:28] Action: edman007 stabs nix_chix0r [01:28] nix_chix0r, you won't actually see him naked but I guess that's how he ended up there :D [01:28] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] i'm gona back away now [01:29] nix_chix0r, going to cry like a baby now? [01:29] you can't handle the truth can you! [01:30] i'm going to cry [01:30] and eat moar pizza [01:31] :( [01:37] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:37] Tagami (n=Winter@75-121-147-107.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:39] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.18) left irc: Connection timed out [01:40] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:41] Zozma (n=Winter@d5-225.rb2.gh.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] wtf he still aint up [01:47] i just heard him crying an hour ago almost [01:48] Action: nix_chix0r is never gona get to sleep [01:50] nix_chix0r, the fortune I just got : "Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids." ;) [01:50] hahah [01:51] well i started prepping a bottle and i sat down to wait and anticipate further crying cause he takes a long ass time to wake up [01:51] he's not a morning person at all [01:53] hehe :) [01:53] Action: Camarade_Tux should rather run to school today [01:54] well, bbl :) [01:57] Tagami (n=Winter@75-121-147-107.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:59] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-8728f50d1051503d) joined ##slackware. [02:08] stillborn (n=stillbor@YKMCI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:10] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD88234.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:10] morning [02:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [02:11] this day is going to suck, take me word for it [02:12] Action: slackytude drinks coffee [02:12] Good morning slackytude. How are you? [02:12] greetings firebird619 [02:13] firebird619, Im doing fine, just a lot of paperwork to do. How are you doing? [02:13] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:13] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:13] doing great, thanks. Just trying to get a decent font in eterm. [02:13] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] bgeddy (n=ed@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:14] firebird619, eh, Id rather get a scanner to work [02:14] :D [02:17] slackytude: With aterm + transparency + compiz I get this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2qi067t&s=5 [02:17] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-210-122.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] instead of text in aterm, I get white boxes. [02:18] there's.. nothing there on that link. I thought it was adblock plus, but apparently not.. tinypic is a badhost, imgur is better [02:18] really. It loaded for me. [02:19] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] http://imgur.com/LUE9J.png [02:20] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/why-you-use-windows-719141/ [02:20] There. :D [02:20] ^what the hell's with trading stocks and Windows (as many people as that that's what they need it for)? Why would that require windows? any particular relevant application for such a purpose? [02:20] s/as/say/ [02:21] heh, I don't know. :) [02:21] firebird619, is that a tweaked kde panel u got there? [02:22] yeah. [02:22] firebird619, looking good! [02:22] kde 3.5.10 [02:22] thanks. [02:24] but i don't see anything like taskbar [02:24] I'm working on a transparent terminal on the deskop, looks like eterm is my best bet. chopp uses eterm and that looks nice. I'm just trying to get the font to how I want it. [02:24] how do you handle progs that do not have tray icons? [02:24] john_dee: I replaced it with Window List. [02:24] So I click one icon and get the list of open apps. [02:25] oh, middle mouse button works too :) [02:25] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Action: frullet just spent $130 AUD on speakers and 3 of the bastards dont work =/ [02:26] frullet: that sucks. [02:26] frullet: 5.1 speaker system hooked up to something that only outputs stereo (2 channels)? [02:26] firebird619, nice wallpaper ^-^ [02:26] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [02:26] thanks. [02:26] but yeah, the font sucks [02:27] agreed. [02:27] Urchlay: Everything is all hunky dory and *should* be working [02:27] thats conky on right site? [02:27] that's aterm and I get white boxes instead of text, so eterm is the way to go I think. [02:27] slackytude: no, gkrellm [02:28] man, you guys invest too much into just how things look [02:28] I had issues with conky and so eviljames and dtanner recommended gkrellm. I tried that and liked it so that's what I'm using. [02:28] ought to be focusing more on usability [02:28] Heh, desktop appearance is like an expression of self. It's fun customizing until you get it how you want it. 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[02:39] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-210-122.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:40] sometimes, altho Im doing a lot of different stuff besides hotline support. still have to do it sometimes, tho [02:40] slackytude: this is when the excuse, "OOhhhhh my stomach" comes in handy. No one wants you to shit yourself in front of the people they want to impress. [02:40] agentc0re, heh, I'll try to remeber that [02:40] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:41] zounds (n=zounds@213-67-241-119-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:41] slackytude: Wait, wait wait... Hotline? like 1-900 hotline? [02:41] ;) [02:41] ^-^ [02:42] nah, customer support hotline [02:42] just telco charges [02:42] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [02:42] if you have a support contract, of course [02:42] if you dont, tough luck [02:42] Action: agentc0re hates telco [02:43] I'll give the call to someone who can sell a support contract, if someone calls without one [02:44] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [02:46] n3lab (n=mielofon@shellium/member/n3lab) joined ##slackware. [02:46] mans [02:47] i did "slapt-get --remove pango" and it's remove many packages [02:47] how to unremove them? [02:47] slapt-get eh? [02:47] good luck with that [02:48] :( [02:48] Good luck indeed. slapt-get is unsupported. [02:48] There's no ability to "unremove" a package. [02:48] You'll have to reinstall them. [02:48] n3lab: you have to manually install the ones that it removed [02:48] o_O [02:48] mornin' btw [02:49] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.181.169.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [02:49] hmm...the new nmap beta can scan for conflicker [02:49] morning you guys [02:49] nullboy, read that [02:49] "unremove"... there *is* the ability to recreate a tgz package from the files installed on your system (which you do before removing/upgrading the package) [02:50] nullboy, I managed to solve the udev issue! slackytude 1 : udev 12632 [02:50] lmao [02:50] YAY [02:51] so would you guys say nmap is fairly diabolical as it stands? [02:52] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:52] fireking (n=repelex@201.86.181.169.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:53] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:54] fireking (n=repelex@201.86.181.169.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [02:54] tewmten mb i cen do it autamaticly? [02:54] cen=can [02:54] Nick change: myrick[off] -> myrick[on] [02:54] nullboy, diabolical? [02:55] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:55] yes, diabolical [02:55] in what sense? [02:55] it's one of those tools that both sides can use [02:56] fireking (n=fireking@201.86.181.169.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:56] n3lab: do you have a list of the packages that where uninstalled? then maybe just make a loop to install those packages [02:56] yap [02:56] minute [02:57] ok so put that list in a text-file and then just loop through it installing the packages [02:57] however i dont know how safe that is for your system [02:57] you're on your own here [02:57] or just manually install them as your punishment [02:57] http://dpaste.com/33654/ [02:57] nullboy lol:D [02:57] wtf [02:57] that is one mess of a slackware system there [02:58] su is such a crazy command [02:58] and now the question we've all been waiting to hear and answer for...why did you say "Y" ? [02:58] i think my script is correct [02:59] how is that diabolical? [02:59] nullboy i was drinking(( [02:59] fine it's not diabolical, whatever [02:59] and don't read message [02:59] su folding -c "cd /home/folding; ./fah6 -verbosity 9 > /dev/null &" [02:59] is this proper syntax? [02:59] i thought that i delet only pango [02:59] :( [02:59] n3lab: drunken sysadming [03:00] %) [03:00] lol [03:00] 122 manually installs( [03:00] Action: n3lab is crying [03:01] mb u mans write for me script? [03:01] :) [03:01] you pay for me money? [03:01] o_O [03:01] linux is unpayable =P [03:01] in that sense, guns are diabolical. or cars [03:01] someone paid me 10 bucks for helping them last night [03:01] they sure are [03:01] proper syntax? [03:02] and i'm not going to argue with you. go put some more caffeine into you first. [03:02] gooph_ (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] i'll add a patch to nmap and rename it to diabolical [03:05] bgeddy (n=ed@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [03:05] so ill reinstall them manually:0 [03:05] :) [03:05] after the patch it really will be diabolical [03:06] and when i ll become clever sysadmin i ll write bash script:) [03:06] the "make nmap even more scary" patch....allows sending scans through proxies [03:07] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-124-177-59.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] n3lab, you are doing it the wrong way [03:13] when you write clever bash scripts, you become a clever sysadmin, not the other way around [03:13] :9 [03:14] you can't just wait till you are a clever sysadmin by magic or sumsuch [03:14] n3lab (n=mielofon@shellium/member/n3lab) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:14] eh, I scared him [03:14] you can only do it with magic if you sacrifice a goat and 3 chickens [03:15] or, alternatively, an office full of windows users [03:17] n3lab (n=mielofon@shellium/member/n3lab) joined ##slackware. [03:17] VonNaturAustreVe (n=vonnatur@189.27.23.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:18] VonNaturAustreVe (n=vonnatur@189.27.23.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("bye bye channel"). [03:19] gooph (n=chatzill@mail.gwiinc.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:20] mm [03:20] and can i see everywhere what packages were removed? [03:21] mb in logs like bash history? [03:21] I thought you had a log [03:21] no i just found removing [03:21] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: "::" [03:21] but it seems that i stop process [03:21] sounds like someone has some rebuilding to do [03:22] so not all packages were removed:( [03:23] what packages wants xfce to correctly working? [03:24] the xfce packages [03:25] and mb gtk libs? [03:25] sorry i am newbie [03:25] just pop in your dvd and installpkg all [03:25] mm [03:25] i have no dvd( [03:25] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-124-177-59.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [03:25] slackpkg then [03:25] all? [03:25] o_O [03:25] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:26] its a quick fix [03:26] slackpkg install-new [03:26] would someone be able to pastebin their working 5.1 surround sound /etc/asound.conf for me please? [03:28] n3lab (n=mielofon@shellium/member/n3lab) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:29] n3lab (n=mielofon@shellium/member/n3lab) joined ##slackware. [03:29] mm [03:29] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] it crushes again. mb anybody knows what libs draw windows? [03:30] coz xfce crushes when i switch from full findow size to smaller [03:30] f=w [03:32] gooph_ (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]" [03:33] that is one of the reasons this channel doesnt provide support for 3rd party tools like gslapt [03:33] ryht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [03:33] or slap-get or whatever [03:35] :) [03:35] :( [03:35] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [03:35] Soul_keeper i am soul eater xD [03:36] echo Hello, world! [03:36] Action: slackytude waves [03:36] y0 l4m3rx [03:36] err [03:36] nope. [03:36] y0 l4m4_m4n [03:36] lol [03:36] Hi l4m4_m4n. How are you? [03:37] firebird619: I'm good. You? [03:37] :)O [03:37] great, thanks. [03:43] Well, it's time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [03:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:44] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:44] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:44] firebird619, see ya [03:44] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [03:47] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-235-80.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:48] Action: slackytude is bored [03:48] Action: frullet is frustrated from 5.1 surround [03:48] Action: nullboy is lit [03:49] yht|afc (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] All i seem to get out of my other speakers is an annoying buzz =/ [03:53] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:56] fireking (n=fireking@201.86.181.169.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:56] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:58] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [03:59] nullboy: did you say you got that freeradius built or no? [04:00] nope, wouldn't build for me [04:00] allright [04:02] slackboy i do slapt-get --install --reinstall _all 122 packages_ [04:02] am i hacker?:D [04:02] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:03] yeah you're leet, keep talking to slackboy.... [04:03] hmm...the new nmap beta can scan for conflicker [04:03] yeah man [04:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:03] That seems like the sort of thing that's out of the scope of nmap. [04:03] not really [04:03] Unless cornfucker opens some specific port. [04:03] it can scan for a variety of ports [04:03] yes [04:03] In which case you probably mean "...can identify conflicker". [04:03] nmap fingerprints for conflicker on port 445 [04:04] That seems more plausable. [04:04] no i'm pretty sure i meant what i said [04:04] nmap is a scanning tool and it can scan whole subnets for hosts with conflicker [04:04] i meant what i said [04:04] Ok, whatever you say, kid. [04:04] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [04:05] stillborn (n=stillbor@KMMMCCXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [04:08] this is from the docs "You can scan your network for Conficker with a command like: nmap -PN -T4 -p139,445 -n -v --script=smb-check-vulns --script-args safe=1 [targetnetworks] " [04:09] Verily, thou hath bested me with thine clever wordplay. [04:09] yeah, there was an article about it on ars techinca [04:09] conflicker is easy to identify by remote [04:10] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:10] there is a dedicated tool for it as well [04:10] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@YKMCDXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [04:10] nullboy: as the list grows. ;) [04:11] lol [04:11] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@115.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [04:11] chopp: more broken stuff? [04:11] or the conflicker list? [04:12] nullboy: you're /ignore list, haha [04:12] lol [04:12] oh no [04:12] i won't ignore you gusy [04:13] because then i can't see when you're all talking shit muahhaha [04:13] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) joined ##slackware. [04:13] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:13] yeah..shit everywhere [04:13] it's that stuff we're all smelling [04:14] I think it came from the mugshot site earlier. [04:15] that was gnarly [04:15] bunch of little hotties though, let the downward spiral begin [04:15] grevus (n=greve@210.211.128.72) joined ##slackware. [04:16] nullboy: you think I should mess with EAP-TTLS? Whats you're opinion of it? [04:17] i'm miffed about -TLS as it is [04:17] i want TLS myself, i'm not really interested in the tunneling [04:17] but that is not out of any functional or security related reason [04:18] just personal conviction...i'm still writhing from the epic fail that is hostapd radius [04:18] don't forget ath5k [04:19] yes [04:19] all of them are on my ignore list for a month [04:19] 2.6.30rc2...... [04:19] yep [04:19] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.19) joined ##slackware. [04:19] i just pulled it. i'll built for my ap tomorrow [04:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:23] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:23] ok fsck -TTLS. Tomorrow I'm getting -TLS UP GOD DAMNIT [04:23] lol [04:24] chopp: btw, what you mentioned about the certs and the naming scheme during creation... [04:24] yeah bad [04:25] nullboy, you know by chance a windows cnflicker scanner? [04:25] slackytude: nmap should do it [04:25] nullboy, nmap for windows? [04:25] yeah [04:25] eh, what will those crazy guys pull of next [04:26] lol [04:26] nmap is cool [04:26] Action: slackytude nods [04:26] it is [04:27] stillborn (n=stillbor@KMMMCCXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:27] chopp: and from what i can tell we will want to create certs with different names for each direction a server will contacted. example, webserver being hit from the internet side will want a www.domain.com cert while the same server on the inside will want a server.local cert [04:28] otherwise you have to put up with one side or the other getting an invalid name error [04:28] error/warning [04:29] nullboy: yup makes sense. [04:29] and for the CA it is safe to just make it "domain.net CA" since the CA's cert will only be used for signing and not client connections [04:30] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:30] agreed [04:30] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.19) joined ##slackware. [04:31] i'm pretty sure we are good on the cert side and the problems will be related to either hostapd or ath5k at this point [04:32] I really need a mailing list I can post my -ddd too with this. [04:38] ath5k seems to work fine with everything else with my chip, maybe I should pull the hostapd git tree,and play with it instead of the 0.6.9 I'm using. [04:40] nullboy, whoa, nifty network animation in nmap [04:40] funky stuff [04:41] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-9a15523948b16262) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:41] this is tripping me out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtLEWVu815o [04:41] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [04:47] n3lab (n=mielofon@shellium/member/n3lab) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:48] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host155-197-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:48] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-75d1284b95a888ec) joined ##slackware. [04:49] chopp: you know what would fix all these crazy documentation mix ups? Instead of having disconnected example configs for hostapd and wpa_supplicant, the project should show examples for each typical setup that correspond to each daemon so we have working examples for each side [04:50] nullboy: man I couldn't agree more. [04:51] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:52] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [04:55] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.2) joined ##slackware. [04:57] this is exactly what I'm getting: http://www.sifferle.net/EAP-TLS not associated.txt [04:58] <_RadioHead> morning [04:58] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:58] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:58] chopp: that's exactly what was happening to me [04:58] when the driver would at least work [05:01] here is the same guys debug from a successful association: http://www.sifferle.net/EAP-TLS associated.txt [05:02] <_RadioHead> hi nullboy [05:02] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F69.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] greetings radi0head [05:04] damn [05:04] greetings _RadioHead [05:04] <_RadioHead> slackytude: greetings there man , thx .how are you? [05:05] <_RadioHead> bah damn boring here [05:05] _RadioHead, Im doing fine, bit bored as well, how are you? [05:05] chopp: dang man, i hope that guy used fake data for that post [05:06] <_RadioHead> generaly not bad :) but boring here @ office today [05:06] from that post i know he works for http://www.tek.com/ and he just gave us all a lot of information about his certs and wpa setup... [05:07] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:08] he's also using either a cisco AP or a cisco adapter on the AP [05:09] nullboy: yes he should have protected tek.com just a tad better. :P [05:10] Trybexus (i=eXile_@66.18.207.175) left irc: "Unixdev, LLC - Shells, BNC, and IRCd Hosting Solutions - http://udshells.com" [05:11] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.19) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:12] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.19) joined ##slackware. [05:14] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166059093.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. 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Please check your installation! [06:58] Action: slava_dp is running -current :( [06:58] for k3b, of course [06:58] gonna build it on 12.2 [06:59] Camarade_Tux, sorry? [07:00] slava_dp, k3b is quite infamous for not working with qt4 [07:00] it's being ported however [07:00] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-101-8.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [07:00] well technically it works. with qt3-compat or whatever it's called. [07:00] but i can't compile for kde3. [07:01] greetings Camarade_Tux [07:01] i still use k3b-1.0.5 on -current, because it works. [07:02] trunk has qt4 work (especially since mandriva wants it ported really soon : http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/intermission-why-i-needed-to-fork-qprocess-for-k3b/ ) [07:02] hey slackytude [07:02] Action: Camarade_Tux has an exam in 25 minutes ;p [07:02] Camarade_Tux, oh, i did not know Trueg had a blog. [07:02] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[08:10] man, sucky day [08:10] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [08:11] it just started! [08:14] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-191-157.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [08:14] anyone has reported a linux kernel bug before? [08:14] Nick change: myrick[on] -> myrick[off] [08:14] Nick change: myrick[off] -> myrick[on] [08:14] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [08:15] dissociative: most likely. [08:15] thrice`, not for me [08:15] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.71.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:15] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:16] is there some kind of mailing list where the bug reoports are ? [08:16] reports* [08:16] j #philosophy [08:16] oww [08:18] no philosophy for you [08:19] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE909A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:23] dissociative: nope; typically, you confirm a bug in here, or on linuxquestions, or similar, and email Pat direct if true. slackware has too few bugs for a bugzilla or some such :) [08:24] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [08:26] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [08:26] thrice`, what do kernel bugs have to do with slackware.. shouldn't they by directly reported to kernel.org? [08:28] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-202.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:28] maybe he doesnt want dissociative to look like a fool on the kernel mailing list, confirm it here first maybe :) [08:28] oh, I thought he was talking of slackware bugs, sorry [08:28] what bug? [08:29] is it even a bug? [08:29] what does it taste like? [08:30] crunchy [08:30] nice! [08:30] Action: slackytude wants some bugs too! [08:34] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-101-8.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [08:34] http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1198771&cid=27576087 [08:34] heh [08:36] tewmten, saw that ^-^ [08:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:38] it is an annoying kernel bug [08:38] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-171-169.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] damn im so tired [08:39] slackytude: haha yeah i found it hilarious :P [08:39] I'm watching analog tv with MPlayer and then the system barfs [08:39] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:39] dissociative: http://bugzilla.kernel.org [08:39] <_RadioHead> tewmten: i am so sleepy but i need to stay @office until 16:30 [08:39] <_RadioHead> :) [08:39] greetings [08:39] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-798a2baf3efbc03f) joined ##slackware. [08:39] _RadioHead, same here :( [08:40] <_RadioHead> The-Croupier: day for sleep i gues [08:40] fred: I reported it to linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org [08:40] alice_c (i=alice@89.194.71.240) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:40] but I'm not sure where it goes in teh internet [08:41] z [08:41] <_RadioHead> hmmm anyobdy have combined rsync exclude and include options ? [08:42] _RadioHead, tell me about it ... just got out of a nice boring meeting as well ;) [08:42] <_RadioHead> The-Croupier: i had a visit from my friend from athens today :) [08:42] anybody knows a quick way to enable ftp server for upload on slack? [08:43] <_RadioHead> The-Croupier: well before few nights one asked how to include a file/folder from excludede folder i was checking manual but seems he was right to complain because --include option not working. [08:45] oops [08:46] <_RadioHead> slackytude: maybe /usr/share/doc/vsftpd-2.1.0/EXAMPLE/INTERNET_SITE_NOINETD can help you [08:46] _RadioHead, if it was asked here check the logs .. you might find something [08:46] _RadioHead, thx, almost got it tho [08:46] i have learnt alot of stuff from the logs, when im not here [08:46] <_RadioHead> The-Croupier: ah i was @~ now i am @damn office lol [08:47] yeah, same here... i could not be of any help from this little computer [08:47] <_RadioHead> slackytude: anytime man [08:47] i cannot check and my memory is not that good :( [08:47] _RadioHead: yeah man i have a conference call in a little bit over an hour [08:48] l0d (n=user@200.144.115.82) joined ##slackware. [08:48] but im having a hard time keeping my eyes open [08:48] alexzyp (n=ping@113.65.5.117) joined ##slackware. [08:48] tewmten, what is the subject? anything interesting? [08:49] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.147.54) joined ##slackware. [08:49] <_RadioHead> The-Croupier: tewmten :) that is why i was looking on --exclude --include options to kill time and bored day :) [08:49] alexzyp (n=ping@113.65.5.117) left irc: Client Quit [08:50] getting a permission denied with proftp [08:50] guess I'll look at that link [08:50] filibert1 (n=filibert@189.174.129.24) joined ##slackware. [08:50] slackytude, try another ftp client, ive had that at some point and it works with other clients [08:50] <_RadioHead> slackytude: maybe /usr/share/doc/vsftpd-2.1.0/EXAMPLE/INTERNET_SITE_NOINETD with little editing will do a job for you [08:51] The-Croupier, not client side [08:53] ohh [08:54] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-134-246.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:54] The-Croupier: nah.. weekly project updates [08:55] what ports do I need for FTP again? [08:55] for upload? [08:55] 20 and 21 [08:56] <_RadioHead> 21 i think [08:56] thumbs is correct [08:56] ayre [08:56] thx [08:56] <_RadioHead> my apologies. learned one more thing :) [08:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:57] <_RadioHead> yo Dominian [08:57] sup [08:57] <_RadioHead> nothing today man killing time with rsync --exclude --include options [08:57] heh [08:58] <_RadioHead> how are you,your fam.? [08:58] doing well.. all of us. [08:58] <_RadioHead> great [09:00] hiya Dominian, everything alright? [09:01] can someone ping cosoba.ftpaccess.cc ? [09:02] <_RadioHead> no slackytude [09:02] uva (i=bno@118-168-233-55.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:02] slackytude, nope [09:02] does it take a while for these changes to become effective [09:02] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:03] ? [09:03] <_RadioHead> vsftpd slackytude ? [09:03] filiberto (n=filibert@189.174.139.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:03] proftp [09:04] <_RadioHead> if it is standalone restart proftpd or if inetd restart inetd . should take effect [09:04] huh? [09:04] Im talking about dyndns [09:04] it should resolve by now [09:04] <_RadioHead> sorry [09:04] no sweat ^-^ [09:05] bit stressed right now [09:05] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Old_Fogie, greetings old chap... hows it going [09:07] seems to work [09:07] hello The-Croupier :), hello all [09:07] go slackware! [09:07] <_RadioHead> hello Old_Fogie [09:07] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:08] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-75d1284b95a888ec) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:08] hows it going man... iam on holidays from tomorrow..but i have no internet at home :( and no wireless anywhere..not even the neighbours [09:09] :( such a bad month this :( [09:09] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] vacation means no computer's in my book, so that's a good thing :) [09:09] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:10] thats the thing, im not going any vacations. just not working. [09:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:10] on the other hand no internet either. ;) at least i got lots of linux books to read.. ;) [09:12] vacations, i prefer not having my laptop with me too, but its been a while since i been on it... so vacation seems like i have to have a look at my laptop ;) play around a little bit [09:13] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:13] ah I see [09:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:14] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [09:16] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: ":wq" [09:18] alrite, slackware to the rescue, the ftp stuff worked [09:18] and now the dyndns name resolves, right *after* I needed it [09:18] faster than a speeding bullet [09:18] oh well [09:18] more powerful than a locomotive [09:18] :P [09:19] AzalynX: silly [09:19] cruzero (n=cruzero@213.91.172.165) left irc: "Leaving" [09:23] Jim-Morrison (n=UNIX@189.73.30.26) joined ##slackware. [09:24] zimmermann (n=booteco@201.22.37.231.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:27] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] <_RadioHead> init coffe :) later [09:31] its a bird, its a plane, its stuperman! [09:36] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[09:49] looks like whatever people do in here, one way or the other, they end up in noobfarm ;) awsome hahaha [09:49] its gone a long way since last time.. really lmao [09:50] thanks guys for the wonderful moments ;) lol [09:50] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE909A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE909A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [09:50] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE909A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:51] The-Croupier, I like the one where someone says, something like "is this nullboy from noobfarm" hahah, that just kills me [09:51] Old_Fogie, not there yet.. reading them from top down.. they are getting funnier and funnier ;) hahaha [09:51] Old_Fogie, I submitted that one ^-^ [09:52] slackytude, that is just *awesome* [09:52] its just awsome.. and if i remember correctly.. it was you who submitted me there wasnt it Old_Fogie [09:52] so random.. hahah [09:52] what number is that guys [09:52] The-Croupier, yup I broke you in haha [09:52] I think you can search if you kick on the java [09:52] Srbo_ (i=1000@p4FE909A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:52] jscript [09:53] Srbo__ (i=1000@p4FE909A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:53] bojevnik (n=Administ@193.2.84.245) joined ##slackware. [09:53] Old_Fogie found it [09:54] awsome..lol [09:54] so this is the nullboy from nobofarm. [09:54] yeah, hahah, that cracks me up [09:54] what is also funny is that he said... no.bofarm instead of noobfarm [09:56] It's like a fan of some TV show, thinks they see an actor they admire, and ask if it's "really him" to be sure, and then ask for the autograph. Hahahah, get's me every time. [09:56] "I sooo admire your work" hee hee :) [09:56] lol [09:57] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-202.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [09:57] yes it is... [09:57] who maintains noobfarm? [09:57] is it Dominian? [09:57] yeah, "You're the bestest noob I've seen nullboy, can I have your autograph?" :) [09:57] lol [09:58] straterra, has awsome jokes in there too.. there are some old time mama jokes..but they are always fun [09:58] i loved the one that says..your mama was bad.. and the other guy goes yours was good or something..awsome [09:58] coffee,bb [09:58] cya [09:59] Old_Fogie, bb [10:03] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. 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[11:19] ugpradepkg --install-new drugs-antiinfmalitory-400mg-noarch-1.tgz ;) [11:19] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [11:19] zeroXzero (n=zxz@59.93.33.109) joined ##slackware. [11:20] NIC taking a long time to recover it's address from DHCP... all the other hosts have no problem... possible hardware problem ? [11:20] phrag: wireless or wired NIC? [11:20] monstro (i=1000@201-68-39-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:20] wired [11:20] *hnng* [11:20] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:20] have anyone here setup nagios and using it to monitor windows systems? [11:21] grevus (n=greve@210.211.128.72) left irc: Connection timed out [11:21] tewmten: Yes I've dome that almost a year ago. [11:21] phrag: Humm how busy is your network? [11:21] not busy [11:22] i cant figure out how to put custom check commands in the nsclient++ [11:22] Yeah possibly a hardware issue, maybe check the cable quality or length. [11:22] so i can check them using nrpe [11:23] my hd :( is dead and i need some info from that hd :( [11:23] fuck this.. im going home [11:23] later [11:24] later [11:24] <_RadioHead> later tewmten [11:25] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [11:26] tewmten: Have you checked this site? http://www.opennms.org/index.php/Data_collection_from_Windows_Performance_Counters_with_NSClient%2B%2B [11:27] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:27] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:27] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [11:28] filibert1: check out Helix LiveCD. [11:28] monstro (i=1000@201-68-39-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] wamty (n=wamty@77.42.230.148) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [11:29] Jean (n=jean@93-36-224-144.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-101-8.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:31] salve a tutti [11:31] engrish plz [11:31] salve a tutti [11:32] Haha I was wondering if that was some saying or a different language. [11:32] eigo wo hanishiro [11:33] Dr4kk4r_: Noi cui parlare italiano [11:34] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Sto imparando ancora... [11:35] English only [11:35] english please or take it elsewhere [11:35] straterra: I was just saying no one speaks italian and I'm just learning it so its very basic. [11:35] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] Action: BP{k} wouldn't mind learning italian, and french for that matter. [11:36] wamty (n=wamty@77.42.230.148) left ##slackware. [11:37] "I surrender!" [11:37] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Looks like straterra knows french. [11:37] good morning from Colorado #slackware [11:38] zeroXzero (n=zxz@59.93.33.109) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:38] Morning vastina welcome to ##slackware ;) [11:38] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-013-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] cheers lf4 [11:38] <_RadioHead> rewarding ##slackware to #slackware :) [11:38] <_RadioHead> backwarding* [11:39] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] i realise, my sincere apologies for missing one hash mark [11:39] <_RadioHead> vastina: :) [11:40] :)) [11:40] zeroXzero (n=zxz@59.93.11.145) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Anyone remember William Hung from american idol? #! #! I have no clue why that popped in my head. [11:42] pprkut (n=hwiesing@a82-93-111-145.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:42] Philadelphia (i=bno@118-160-174-171.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:48] ok, first and for most, ive been running without it, no problems, but recently did some "brain storming" and realized i can have more modules (smaller kernel) if i were to use initrd [12:48] is that correct? [12:48] if you really want sure [12:48] jeepster (n=jeepster@static-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:49] Hey slackytude. How are you doing? [12:49] the generic kernel that comes with slackware is like that [12:49] you need to make your own initrd to use it [12:49] such modules could be scsi disk support, chipset could be a module, etc [12:49] kipp: Thats correct. [12:49] ok .. [12:50] i believe in the root dir of the slackware tree, there is like a README.initrd [12:50] next and more important guestion, are there performance gains or loses to using such a setup? [12:50] yes there is [12:50] read that ;-) [12:50] kipp: nothing noticable [12:50] if there was, there would be alot of things wrong with the kernel. [12:51] i assume its more applicatable for a "distro" to use an initrd since they need such large support for drivers [12:51] hahaha yes it will run a little slower in theory but you wont notice it like spook said. [12:51] othermindszine (n=othermin@193.sub-70-192-142.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] initrd is useful for using things like luks or lvm [12:51] heya firebird619, doing fine, busy day at work tho. glad Im home. Whats up on you side of the planet? [12:52] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] Nothing much of anything going on here. Suppose to be really nice again today in the 60s. [12:52] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:53] 60? better crank up the aircon [12:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:53] hmm.. [12:53] otherwise you might combust [12:53] 23° C here [12:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:53] whatever that is in funky fahrenheit [12:53] haha, it's not quite warm enough here yet where the a/c is needed, but it sure is nice out. [12:53] Action: slackytude aint hip on the whole C to F thing [12:54] Oh nice 23* C is good [12:54] slackytude: that's 73.4 F [12:54] its about 75*F [12:54] oi, thats good ^-^ [12:54] 282K here [12:54] :) Yeah, it is. [12:54] thats sounds even hotter :P [12:54] according to iphone weather app [12:54] spook: thats 47.93 F. [12:55] Hahaha spook kelvin I've never seen anyone use that. [12:55] i try to use it as much as i can [12:55] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [12:55] suppose i were to build "eveything" i can as module, use intrd, i would get my kernel size under 1mb (which is the goal i have), would that reduce the latency that kernel has to perform its "work" [12:55] nuts to you people using non-absolute scales [12:55] At least that isn't 282 F. yikes. :D [12:55] kipp: no. [12:56] kipp: theres really no point. [12:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.11) left irc: [12:56] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [12:57] kipp: the generic kernel has pretty much everything as a module. [12:57] kipp: you can set everything you want as a module and still not have to use initrd the way your saying. unless you have 7e700000 modules loading [12:57] and the huge kernel is only different in that the things needed to boot are compiled in. things like networking are modules [12:57] haha [12:59] .. my machine is getting older, and there will not be anymore hardware upgrades... [12:59] just stick with a slackware version that works [13:00] definitly, ive been using slack since 9.0 [13:00] tried others like Arch and Debian, tried slack alternatives Zenwalk and Vector. [13:00] gentoo! [13:01] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:01] I guess what my brain is trying to do is just maximize the performance of this PC, maybe im trying to hard lol [13:01] kipp: You didn't like arch? Arch and slack are my two favorites [13:02] straterra, gentoo fail the moment they dropped installcd support %) [13:02] kipp: just be happy that its working really [13:02] installcd support? [13:03] they don't build them anymore. only network install [13:03] Arch is good in its own it way, but in my opinion using other distros takes learning other distros, slackware is "UNIX-like" so to me feels right [13:03] with minimal cd [13:03] stages or whatever [13:03] not learning the arch way, not learning the gentoo way, just using linux as is. if that makes any sense [13:03] john_dee: i only use networking install with slack nowadays [13:04] john_dee: false [13:04] pxe boot too [13:04] you can install 2008.0 from cd [13:05] spook: and yes, im grateful slack works well, ive established a good foundation of linux over the years using slack, and it has never caused problems that cant be fixed easily. most errors ive encountered are user errors (ie my fault) [13:05] spook, it's nice to have as an option, when it's really needed. still i prefer disc install, tweak, put online [13:06] Floops[w]1 (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:06] john_dee: disc is wasteful and slow [13:06] straterra, yea, but i've heard it's 2009 already :D and there won't be installcds after 2008.0 [13:06] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-63a5cd177f3cf7c2) joined ##slackware. [13:06] an to be honest, i started using linux during active addiction, i would either be stoned or drunk when "learning" about it, and now have over 5 months clean and in active recovery, the pieces i seemed to stray over or more complicated things i want to tackle [13:06] you dont need an install cd [13:06] you can use any live cd [13:07] kipp, still remeber the stuff you did from back then? [13:07] I'm still waiting for freebsd kernel changes [13:08] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [13:08] well, linux was part of the addiction to, so yes, the problem was i half assed everything [13:08] but i could have expanded my knowledge SO much more had i been clean over the years [13:08] Action: slackytude shrugs [13:08] straterra: they take a while, openBSD 4.5 almost here though! [13:09] doesnt pay to feel regret over what you could have done [13:09] thats a really good one liner. [13:09] thank you. [13:09] kipp: haha and you speak of that on a public irc channel? [13:09] eh, no need ^-^ [13:09] Action: vastina chuckles [13:10] Action: aperturefever tumbles [13:10] Im pretty sure someone way smarter said that before me [13:10] vastina: im not ashamed. to me, its linux related ;-) [13:10] hi everyone. [13:10] eh [13:11] my name is spook, and i have a problem [13:11] straterra, use one distro to install another? that's original :) why not stick to the first one you'll be using to install gentoo [13:11] i'm addicted to BOOBIES! [13:11] we love you spook [13:11] spook, not that much :D [13:11] Action: aperturefever is a boobies junky too [13:11] kipp: I find substance in the fruit of knowledge picked from the smarts tree, real-world substances distort or warp my zen [13:11] spook: http://www.sexaa.org/ [13:12] yeah i went there [13:12] _guitarman_ (n=steve@s207-216-242-139.bc.hsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] lol [13:12] just ended up in an orgy with about 6 chicks [13:12] uva (i=bno@118-160-174-171.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] spook: no way! [13:12] really? [13:13] Action: slackytude schedules a visit to sexaa [13:13] anyway time for bed [13:13] thanks for the input spook [13:13] dude you need protein [13:13] http://www.sexaa.org/12ques.htm <- crap, I'm doomed ! [13:13] kipp: you remind me of a fresher [13:13] whats a fresher? [13:13] aperturefever: i think slackytude is going to whip some up for you tonight with the assistance of sexaa [13:14] kipp: freshman, 1st year. [13:14] vastina, O_o [13:14] spook, you think this would be good on 4chan http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9084/unsee.jpg [13:14] as a 4th year, i have huge disdain for freshers and its completely unexplainable [13:14] hes a month old today [13:14] vastina: nah got my own home brewed stuff [13:14] j/k slackytude didn't mean to scare you buddy [13:14] nix_chix0r: congratulations! [13:14] hmm, im much to old to be considereed a college boy [13:14] cool [13:14] nix_chix0r: havent talked in ages! [13:14] but i suppsoe its a complimant [13:14] aperturefever: ahh okay, you're sorted then [13:15] spook, that's normal : you're older ! they owe you everything ! [13:15] spook, check that link out rofl [13:15] nix_chix0r: afraid to look. [13:15] nix_chix0r, lol ;p [13:15] it's sfw [13:15] it's just my kid [13:15] healing ok? [13:15] your kid is sfw? [13:15] nix_chix0r: i looked, but i dont want to know what cant be unseen [13:16] spook, fat women [13:16] Camarade_Tux: they ask for help alot [13:16] spook, do they really "ask [13:16] crap [13:16] s/"ask/*ask* by themselves ?/ [13:16] Camarade_Tux: also they are idiots, dont listen, think they are right. [13:16] freaking argue with you [13:16] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [13:17] i really gotta cut back on the drinking at uni otherwise i'm going to pop one of them in the jaw [13:17] one question [13:17] when i plug in usb nothing happens [13:17] plug it in harder [13:17] im runnin gslackware 12.1 [13:17] :) [13:17] >< I had bizuths (1st years on some special 2-years cycle) and they were friendly, the obeyed, they would bring you water at lunch, give their deserts (ah, girls, donuts !) ... [13:17] bojevnik: onaskdjaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [13:18] ??? [13:18] TiberiusXXIXV (n=Tiberius@41.208.11.164) joined ##slackware. [13:18] bojevnik, part of the plugdev group? [13:18] yes [13:18] well, I'm off, I need to drink my beer :) [13:18] Camarade_Tux: this guy asking for help didnt even accept my offer, that if i could fuck his reasonable hot girlfriend that i would actually help him [13:18] Camarade_Tux, see ya ^-^ [13:18] Camarade_Tux, enjoy your "vacation" [13:19] oh and by the way, I'm alcoholic too :) (and I'm only 21) [13:19] Camarade_Tux: 20 here! [13:19] should i also add me to haldaemon? [13:19] spook, lol, quite surprising ;p [13:19] bbl :) [13:19] bojevnik, isnt needed [13:19] but not really an alcoholic, just more likely to hurt them when drunk [13:19] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] today's traffic report from CO: I was driving to pick up my lady and drop her at work when this poofter from michigan tries pulling in front of my Z, so i take a shortcut, end up in front of this sod who flips the bird at me, so i figure "fuck it man, just an idiot" welp, then this tool pulls in front of me, so i pull in front of him, he tries to lock me in, i use the shoulder and front him again, gesture for this cunt to roll down his window so i can te [13:21] how do i mount usb from konsole, from what ibe read there should be /dev/sdf, but there isnt one [13:21] hmm, Camrade, are you powerless over alcohol, and your life became unmanagble because of it? [13:21] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:21] bojevnik, /dev/sda1 is what you mean [13:21] most likely [13:21] bojevnik: maybe /dev/sdb [13:21] bojevnik: mount /dev/sd /mnt/somewhere [13:21] zeroXzer1 (n=zxz@59.93.6.4) left irc: "leaving" [13:21] isnt sda my hardrive? [13:22] simplesso (n=simplex@uglyplace.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] well cant hurt to try [13:22] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:22] oh yeah, could be [13:22] ls /dev/sd* [13:22] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:22] y0 dive [13:22] hmm [13:22] nighty nite [13:22] bojevnik: do ls /dev/sd* [13:22] spook: take care [13:22] lcd on main laptop borked [13:22] hi slackytude [13:22] sux [13:22] /dev/sda /dev/sda11 /dev/sda5 /dev/sda8 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 [13:22] /dev/sda1 /dev/sda12 /dev/sda6 /dev/sda9 /dev/sdb2 [13:22] /dev/sda10 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda7 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc [13:23] lol wow [13:23] I hope I can find a replacement [13:23] ok fix it [13:23] it was sdc1 [13:23] mount /dev/sda1 /mntzip [13:23] bojevnik: try /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc [13:23] Chrysalis (n=UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: "Leaving..." [13:23] bojevnik: taking a guess you might want to do a mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb [13:23] tnx for help [13:24] yes i did that mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/floppy/ [13:24] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-798a2baf3efbc03f) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009012111]" [13:24] bojevnik: try dmesg | grep [13:24] so when do ls /mnt/floppy [13:24] tried this earier, but made mistake [13:24] it prints contest of usb [13:25] instead of sdc1 i did sdc [13:25] yes, that tells you where the usb is... use that info [13:25] then sdc1 is your USB [13:25] bojevnik: /media/memory would be the logical choice for mount point, but /mnt/floppy works too ;-) [13:25] Action: vastina goes back to work then [13:25] sdc1 it should be [13:25] it is:) [13:25] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) joined ##slackware. [13:26] bojevnik: then you properly mounted the USB from the consol :) [13:26] is there anyway to automize the process [13:26] add it to /etc/fstab [13:26] im not really familiar with fstab command [13:27] fstab is a file located in /etc [13:27] edit rc.local to load at boot time [13:27] but when i plug and unpolug other usb [13:27] wont it return wrong resluts? [13:27] best way since it is removable is to mount it yourself. [13:27] sorry for my english btw:) [13:28] i know, but im a lazy fuck [13:28] :) [13:28] and adding it to /etc/fstab simplifies the command [13:28] hi anyone here used to the dig command [13:28] there is 2 lines of typing [13:28] write a little script that you can run lol [13:28] im looking for the mail server [13:28] TiberiusXXIXV, yeah [13:28] Action: slackytude pints [13:28] *points [13:28] over there [13:29] would dig mx be the command to be using [13:29] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03F69.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:29] Action: kipp takes meds ... brb [13:29] simplesso (n=simplex@uglyplace.org) joined ##slackware. [13:30] TiberiusXXIXV, I think it needs a name too [13:30] then looking at mx record 10 should be the primary mail server ? [13:30] dig @dns NAME MX [13:31] thanx slackytude im getting a reply [13:31] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.95.6) joined ##slackware. [13:31] is there performance loss using LVM2 [13:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:32] kipp : as opposed to what? [13:33] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] to not using LVM2 [13:33] i dont know how to answer that [13:33] kipp : you obviously want to compare lvm2 performance to something else. what's that something else? [13:33] i would assume having data spread across the disk would affect performance [13:34] kipp : what does that have to do with lvm2? [13:34] and are you trying to compare lvm2 to simply partitions, for storing your filesystems? [13:35] if so, there is virtually no performance impact [13:35] yes [13:35] thanks. 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It does not connect to irc.freenode.org [13:45] poona (n=psf_cyth@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [13:45] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [13:47] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [13:47] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [13:47] grevus (n=greve@210.211.128.224) joined ##slackware. [13:47] poona (n=psf_cyth@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Why would one be able to ssh into a box just fine but not scp to it? (scp fails authentication - does not accept user / password)? [13:48] scp could be disabled [13:48] try using scp -vvv and see what it's doing [13:48] psychild (n=psychild@189.174.129.24) left irc: "leaving" [13:48] straterra: Is that in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? [13:49] grazymax (n=grazymax@host242-133-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:49] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.95.6) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:49] usr13: , maybe the login shell is not set to bash/sh/ksh [13:50] usr13 : scp needs a login shell to work [13:50] gregsparc, it does? [13:50] Action: slackytude didnt know [13:50] usr13 : and you can always use sftp. less headaches [13:50] even if the login shell is disabled [13:51] yes slackytude [13:51] othermindszine (n=othermin@131.sub-70-192-147.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:51] could login shell be disabled? I can ssh to the box just fine... [13:51] grevus, but wouldnt ssh fail as well? [13:52] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [13:52] othermindszine (n=othermin@131.sub-70-192-147.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:52] no [13:52] not at all. i have the same chrooted setup on my sshd [13:52] Well ssh works just fine into this particular box. [13:52] then you do have a shell [13:52] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-154-107-112.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:52] maybe some other issue [13:52] grevus: scp or sftp faster? [13:52] othermindszine (n=othermin@131.sub-70-192-147.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:53] same speed. sftp is better protocol [13:53] scp does not work ssh to the box works fine. [13:53] usr13 : tried sftp already? [13:53] l4m4_m4n (i=57f8a441@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f88b989858950b65) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [13:54] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:55] http://pastebin.ca/1392993 [13:56] I do not have a port set up through it's router for ftp. [13:56] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.218) joined ##slackware. [13:57] scp is just secure copy [13:57] it uses ssh [13:57] same port as ssh 22 [13:57] yep [13:57] sftp and scp [13:57] operates ont he same principle that sftp does [13:57] but sftp does not support using alternative port. [13:58] eh [13:58] I'm using rinetd -- internet ``redirection server'' [13:58] And ssh -p [13:58] rinetd? [13:58] what OS you running? [13:58] to use alternative port to tunnel through to the other network. [13:58] Slackware [13:58] k [13:58] rinetd -- internet ``redirection server'' [13:59] rinetd redirects TCP connections from one IP address and port to another [13:59] sftp does support alternate ports [13:59] sftp -oPort=24 [13:59] O [13:59] that's just an example [13:59] reading man pages helps ;P [13:59] Action: slackytude nods [14:00] rtfm ftw [14:01] slackytude, so i rebooted my system and my webcam doesnt show up at all lol [14:01] O_o [14:01] i managed to fix it myself tho, it shows up as /dev/video with no numbers [14:01] wtf? [14:01] now kopete wont work with it [14:01] Well, I see that sftp's manfile says it works but doesn't seem to go. [14:01] but amsn and everything else does [14:02] how did it not work after boot and how did you fix it? [14:02] i find it a little odd but its working so i have no complaints i just thought i'd let you know [14:02] it wasnt recognized at all [14:02] usr13: I can test from here if you want [14:02] i_is_cat, yeah, Id like to hear ^-^ [14:02] just need an IP and a port [14:02] sftp -oPort=24 [14:02] when i checked the udevadm info for both /dev/video and /dev/video0 they were both listed as my tv tuner [14:03] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.224.79) joined ##slackware. [14:03] so i just took the rule that we made for the tv tuner and adjusted it to the webcam info from before and tried again and it seems ok [14:03] eh, strange [14:03] oh well, glad you made it [14:04] so, what do you say to udev rules now? :P [14:04] ya i thought so.. so i go to kopetes webcam page read the info, at the bottom it says if my webcam works with other apps but not kopete i have to go adjust my udev rules [14:04] i just about punched my monitor [14:04] but she did nothing wrong and doesnt deserve the abuse [14:04] ky00rius (n=irchon@user-514c335e.l2.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:05] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A76699.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] well now that im not using the old udev with half of the new udev and have things setup properly its not too bad.. and i mean it must work really well by default because i've never had to touch it up until this point [14:05] wtf? lol http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ <--- no install-dvd.iso [14:05] i do like the idea of being able to set my removable drives to specific names so i dont get confused as to whats what [14:06] not all servers have the dvd iso... when i go looking for the dvd iso it takes me several servers usually before i find one to download [14:06] i_is_cat, yeah its nice, especially for cameras and stuff [14:06] if you get over the learning curve [14:07] I wonder what kopete needs tho [14:07] any errorsß [14:07] tds has it [14:07] any errors? [14:07] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:07] nope no errors from kopete it has the webcam in the list and when i select it its black [14:07] ky00rius (n=irchon@user-514c335e.l2.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [14:07] now i remember what i was gonna do... download the source tree for X >.> [14:07] hrm [14:07] hard to diagnose [14:08] the gspca driver is messed up on here too i need to fix that for when it reboot but its not a big issue [14:08] basically it loads gspca_pac207 which is not the correct driver for my webcam even tho dmesg says it is [14:08] could blacklist that driver I suppose [14:09] and put the correct in rc.modules [14:09] if i remove the gspca_pac207 and modprobe gspca_zc3xx and gpsca_vc032x it seems to work.. not sure which one it is specifically ill test it a bit later.. [14:09] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [14:09] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:10] exit [14:10] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [14:10] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03B05.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] but ya i think the issue with kopete has to do with the udev thing.. i suggested they make changes to kopete since amsn and other webcam apps work just fine [14:11] heh [14:12] maybe a simple permission thingy [14:12] possibly.. im trying to find that page again.. [14:12] and its also possible that its fixed with the kopete version for kde4 [14:12] i dont run kde4 so i wouldnt know [14:13] dont run it either [14:13] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] slackytude2: Why do you say that? [14:13] i was thinking of trying it.. but i dont know if its worth the time and effort [14:13] lf4, say what? [14:13] if i try it it'll probably be through some livecd [14:13] Don't run KDE4 [14:13] heh [14:14] i_is_cat: Thats a good way of doing it [14:14] lf4, Imeant I dont run it [14:14] Oh haha ok [14:14] ^-^ [14:14] <3 xfce [14:14] xfce is nice [14:14] i should get it going on :1 [14:15] ah here it is: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=kopete%20webcam%20support right at the bottom of the page [14:15] it talks about kopete not working with the cam but the cam works with other apps.. [14:15] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] I have not tried xfce, I like fluxbox [14:15] anyone knows where to get mplayer full package ? [14:15] i used to use flux when i was running my old celeron 1ghz w/512mb ram and an 8mb via vid card lol [14:16] I should create a user that I can test out xfce... [14:17] i just run my other slackbox through ssh on screen 1 [14:17] its pretty slick its like a virtual kvm [14:17] and considering i gave my kvm away, it comes in quite handy [14:18] not sure why, but i was trying to show my uncle how it works with his slackware and opensuse box and opensuse wouldnt let him connect at all.. [14:18] I use my KVM only when fixing others computers other wise it just acts as cable extentions. [14:18] i_is_cat, Unable to connect to the database ! [14:18] kipp (n=noo@c-69-249-79-66.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:18] eh, now it work [14:19] s [14:19] ya it was a bit slow for me [14:20] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.59.140.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: "Leaving" [14:20] i_is_cat, eh, they want you delete a devnode [14:20] thats pretty sad, imho [14:20] i know [14:20] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-c4204752544567aa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] thats why i went to the kopete channel and told them that they're the ones who need to make changes, not me [14:20] lol [14:21] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73C0F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] heh, yeah, Id agree with that [14:21] well i suggested it rather.. [14:21] ky00rius (n=irchon@user-514c335e.l2.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [14:21] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009041115]" [14:21] everyone knows when you tell someone to do something they almost always take it like a slap to the face unless they asked for it first.. [14:21] I dunno. I wouldnt bother with it. depends how much you like kopete, I guess [14:21] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-3c895abfa2cda622) joined ##slackware. [14:22] or try to delete that node by hand first [14:22] im not.. it works with amsn so whenever i feel like using it i'll just switch over [14:22] im installing mplayer ... deps : enca , faac , lame , openal , speex , x264 , and im really fed up installing deps [14:22] If you run xwmconfig as a user and not root that just changes the WM for that user correct? [14:22] yes [14:22] i prefer kopete for actual chat but amsn works better with webcams anyways and lets you record webcam sessions which is nice [14:22] ky00rius (n=irchon@user-514c335e.l2.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:22] DeeeeP: Hahaha I know mplayer is a pain to get working. [14:22] ky00rius (n=irchon@user-514c335e.l2.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:22] lf4, someone should do a full package , less pain :| [14:23] DeeeeP, why not sbo ? [14:23] the only time i ever had an issue with mplayer was when i was using redhat 6.2 - 7.3 [14:23] and with sbo i wont need all deps ? [14:23] since then i have no probs [14:23] its not a problem [14:23] its a pain in the ass to install all deps [14:23] ky00rius (n=irchon@user-514c335e.l2.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] well i suppose its a matter of opinion.. [14:24] the fact that all the info is listed and you can see the deps you need before you start compiling it is a plus imo [14:24] opinion ? i think nobody likes to install a million deps [14:24] DeeeeP, there are two builds for mplayer on sbo, mplayer-codecs and mplayer and that worked fine for me [14:24] well, there are some more, but those are all you need [14:24] I agree mplayer has a ton of deps that are required one reason why I have not installed it on this system yet. [14:24] what i find annoying is going to install a program that doesnt mention anything about deps and you find out through the config and make process that you need them [14:24] thats annoying [14:24] i_is_cat, aye [14:25] i_is_cat: Yes that is really bad. [14:25] yes , that is [14:25] but that's another question [14:25] if i know right away that i need 75 other apps then i'll get them, if i find out in the middle of an install i get pissy [14:25] slackytude: did usr13 's issue get resolved. What was the solution? [14:26] ok slackytude gonna try that out [14:26] grevus, I think he ended up using sftp [14:26] :) [14:26] also, the slackbuilds page is awesome for a lot of deps i just cruise through it grab what i need and everything is quick and easy [14:26] gregsparc, he tried to redirect stuff, which is why it failed [14:26] i see [14:26] grevus: IDK, his last comment was "O" :) [14:26] i_is_cat, I mainly use sbopkg these days [14:26] lol [14:26] lee555J5, lol,yeah [14:27] sbopkg eh? i dont think i've heard of that... [14:27] googling.. [14:27] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [14:27] slackytude: watch you tab completions :) [14:27] s/you/your [14:28] lol [14:28] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:29] hmm sbopkg looks interesting i guess ill have to get it [14:30] poona (n=psf_cyth@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [14:30] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:30] fevel (n=fevel@200.142.124.146) joined ##slackware. [14:30] i_is_cat, you havent O_o [14:30] whats wrong with you :P [14:30] lol [14:31] koolniczka1 (n=nobody@rb5at165.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [14:31] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:31] DeeeeP, I guess I should nudge you to sbopkg too, if even sbo is kinda new to you [14:31] hi all [14:31] i know sbo , dont know sbopkg [14:32] Action: slackytude nods [14:32] check it out then sbopkg.org [14:32] sbopkg is nice [14:32] pulls scripts etc straight from slackbuilds.org and builds the package etc for you [14:32] I can see I failed my purpose in being the cheerleader for sbopkg [14:32] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-235-80.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:33] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.94.123) joined ##slackware. [14:34] slackytude: Yeah you have to have some "oomph" to your cheers [14:34] iron_bee (n=root@95-24-250-80.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Action: slackytude nods [14:34] lol [14:34] iron_bee (n=root@95-24-250-80.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:35] I should get some half naked ladies to jump up and down while I preach [14:35] Then people might listen [14:35] Action: eviljames goes back to ignoring [14:35] that'll prompt pr0n and not sbopkg :P [14:35] it might not work but Id sure feel good about it ^-^ [14:35] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-013-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:35] heh [14:36] hehe [14:37] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-3c895abfa2cda622) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:37] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-013-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] it sucks being out of coffee filters :S [14:38] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-d5090dfb0eaeba88) joined ##slackware. [14:38] hehe wife and I keep an "emergency" stainless filter for those occasions [14:39] ya i have a one cup with a permanent filter its just annoying to have to keep going back and wait for the darn thing to make me a new cup [14:39] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:39] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) joined ##slackware. [14:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] I've always been under the impression that Windows SBS server blows...but I talked to a admin who loves the latest version...I've worked with it and it blows, any comments? [14:44] koolniczka1 (n=nobody@rb5at165.net.upc.cz) left irc: "Leaving." [14:44] fast , any mms player on slackware curent ? [14:44] game's gona start in 1 minute [14:44] :| [14:44] some people just love windows.. [14:45] true [14:45] slackytude, mplayer failed to compile [14:45] narcs [14:45] No actually, I worked for a sheriff's dept who had sun OS for the 911 system [14:45] mth__ (n=kezo@200.55.210.153) joined ##slackware. [14:45] hi all [14:45] someone alive? [14:45] :D [14:46] DeeeeP, eh [14:46] DeeeeP, from sbo? [14:46] Dominian, ping? [14:46] no we're not here right now, so if you leave your name and number... [14:46] well not everyone loves windows, just some people.. i worked for an isp tha ran all their voip servers on slackware [14:46] i_is_cat, really? [14:46] cooool [14:46] my uncle is a network admin for the gov and pushes openbsd [14:46] slackytude, yep unitz in sudbury ontario [14:46] slackytude, y [14:46] any advice of the next release of slackware? [14:47] they were bought out by vianet so i dont know what they're up to now [14:47] very interesting [14:47] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:47] skibur (i=1000@12.197.207.202) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [14:48] DeeeeP, that shouldnt happening [14:48] filipe_xD (n=filipe@laptop-do-filipe.inrede.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:48] DeeeeP, #slackbuilds [14:48] i_is_cat, nice ^-^ [14:48] i_is_cat, big? [14:49] unitz was a tiny company but sudbury isnt that big of a place, as far as internet and phone service go they had their fare share [14:49] slackytude: pong [14:49] NotLim (n=NotLim@200.55.210.153) joined ##slackware. [14:49] the admin owns animenfo.com [14:49] Dominian, oi! what was that nice tool that discoverd the guys starting that service [14:50] slackytude, i've changed the mplayer bz2 for the newest snv bz2 [14:50] some sort of tripwire'esque thingy [14:50] starting that service? [14:50] oh [14:50] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:50] OSSEC [14:50] ay, yes [14:50] thx ^-^ [14:50] http://www.ossec.net/ [14:50] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [14:51] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Leaving" [14:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/14/2234253&art_pos=17 <--let's get those mibbiters now! [14:53] YAARR [14:54] nullboy, eh, crap [14:55] hahahahahahaha [14:55] They'll have to catch me firs&^&*(no carrier [14:56] lol [14:56] man, the dudes on #windows are idiots sometimes. you bring words of wisdom to them and they dont even know to be polite [14:56] you went in to #windows assuming people would be rational? [14:56] lol #windows [14:56] i should go there just to laugh [14:57] well, its fun most of the time [14:57] just not as polite as in here [14:57] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.59.140.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:58] thats because any retard can use a windows system so far more of them do.. lol [14:59] thats really weird.. Necos's last line there in xchat has the word 'be' as a link.. [14:59] fevel (n=fevel@200.142.124.146) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:59] ah cuz thats someones nick [15:00] haha weird [15:00] heh [15:01] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-013-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] from the article: and now you can stash a 2.5" drive easily. cops dont have hard drive sniffing dogs yet. [15:02] LOL [15:02] lol wtf? [15:02] hard drive sniffing dogs [15:02] well from the comments in the article.. heh [15:03] 1) breed dogs 2) make them sniff hard drives 3) ??? 4) profit! [15:03] i haven't finished reading them yet [15:03] now we have him to thank personally for giving the suggestion to the pOpO's [15:03] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:04] lol this is sad: [15:04] Aha! I thought of that already... which is why I have a little hard drive case lined with some nice Columbian ground coffee. Ohh, and I shove that up my ass. [15:04] hahahahahaha [15:04] thats /. for you. its all about style [15:05] fuckin slashdotters lol [15:05] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:05] mth__ (n=kezo@200.55.210.153) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [15:05] yeah I don't pay much attention to /. anymore [15:05] its become a cesspool of idiots and bigotry anymore [15:06] "15mins of fame" comments [15:06] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] its more entertainment than anything else.. [15:06] actuallly, one of the best parts of /. are the real comments that bring up shit that you otherwise wouldn't read [15:06] i_is_cat, lol [15:06] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:06] i_is_cat, one line troll [15:06] i couldnt help myself [15:06] and then the entertainment factor for everything else ^_^ [15:06] NotLim (n=NotLim@200.55.210.153) left ##slackware ("kakitalinda"). [15:06] lol [15:07] for example: [15:07] I think /. is missing the point. They are claiming that using a proxy implies sophistication. There's truth to that, as sophistication is a neutral term in a neutral environment. But 25% more of 0 time spent in jail is still 0. Don't do illegal sh** on your proxy and you'll be fine. If you do illegal sh** on your proxy, don't get caught, and you'll also be fine. But if you're using a proxy to prevent detection of your illegal activity, t [15:07] justifiably warrants increased jail-time. [15:08] first useful comment on the page lol [15:08] Floops[w]1 (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:10] Floops[w]1 (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] hald takes a long time during boot. is it really necessary for something? (12.2, fvwm) [15:10] Necos, well, its a slippery slope. people might count your proxy usage against you, as evidence of crime [15:11] yep [15:11] we've been having a wind storm for two days now. this is mayhem [15:11] indeed it's a very gray-area issue [15:11] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [15:11] it's sort of like the privacy advocates being told that the only reason they want privacy is because they have something to hide [15:12] nullboy, isnt it around that time in the year when stuff starts burning [15:12] soon [15:12] yeah [15:12] but yeah, laws like this scare the hell outta me [15:12] remeber to sit tight in your datacenter [15:12] 'cause they come and bite you by the ass when you least expect it [15:12] spring break is when the script kiddies wake up [15:12] heh [15:12] slackytude: may-oct is santa ana season [15:12] santa-ana winds [15:12] oi! [15:13] lots of brush fires [15:13] gh [15:13] I shall remeber that when Im in Califonia [15:13] i'm waitin for the malibu flood season personally [15:13] i like watching people lose their homes because they built them on mounds of dirt that turn into mud when it gets hit with water =p [15:14] Necos: why would you do something like that in the first place? [15:14] congratulations, you played against mother nature and lost =p [15:14] well the whole southern california coast that is north of venice is unstable. it's unstable from pretty much pepperdine university all the way up the coast [15:14] exactly [15:14] but people still live there [15:15] and build multimillion dollar homes, and get pissed when it gets washed away [15:15] like mother nature really gives a shit you spent 2 mil on your hillside home [15:15] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] i'm pretty close to the beach but my area isn't so much dirt cliffs. what i see a lot of there is heavy surf crashing through living rooms [15:16] ok, i'm done ranting :) [15:16] but it's much more fun seeing it float downhill [15:16] brb [15:16] i've seen kelp stalks sticking out of front doors as the waves rip through the living room and go through the whole house into the street behind it [15:17] a 15ft sea wall doesn't do shit when the surf is 18 ft [15:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Nick change: Floops[w]1 -> Ragnarok [15:17] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Nick change: Ragnarok -> Floops[w] [15:17] that reminds me of tortillia curtain [15:17] of what? [15:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [15:18] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-182-175.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:19] some book we had to read. last chapter was some thunderstorm/fire in california [15:20] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:22] like a perfect background to let a) everybody die or b) make the hero shine even brighter (go, John McLane!) [15:22] yippee kay-yay! [15:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:23] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] aye [15:28] spaceonline (n=spaceonl@189.83.55.158) joined ##slackware. [15:28] not a very good book tho [15:28] way better than "my beautifull laundret" tho [15:28] that sucked. gay indian dudes owning a laundy thingy [15:29] they were gay? [15:29] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.231) joined ##slackware. [15:29] yeah [15:29] metrosexual [15:30] Nick change: Floops[w] -> Lelouch [15:30] Nick change: Lelouch -> Floops[w] [15:30] METRO! [15:31] you more than 3 hair products? [15:31] use* [15:31] Im pretty sure they were gay [15:31] the scene were they were kissing each other was sort of a clue [15:31] I had to watch the move of that book as well [15:31] my hair is 18 inches long and i only use shampoo, bishes [15:31] nullboy: still no pwnage [15:31] straterra: wtf! [15:32] i use soap! screw shampoo [15:32] straterra: btw, i saw the newest nmap can scan subnets for hosts with conflicker now [15:32] nullboy: I know [15:32] gosh [15:32] bar soap in your hair [15:32] I have the conficker rule in my snort [15:32] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176088032.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:32] straterra: i just built your snort SBo [15:32] oh? [15:32] nullboy, its stronger than shampoo [15:33] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76699.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:33] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76699.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] nullboy: work ok for you? [15:33] now i really need to figure out why youtube thinks i'm german [15:34] 18 inches, eh? [15:34] nullboy: BTW..the rc script, you can copy and have multiple of if you want multiple instances (monitor multiple interfaces) [15:34] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:34] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.161.133) joined ##slackware. [15:34] straterra: yes, nice! [15:34] i will actually. i can put a drone on my AP and on my router [15:34] thats a bit longer than mine, but not by much [15:35] metal? [15:35] nullboy: all you gotta do is copy the file and change the interface..and done [15:35] sweet [15:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:36] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:37] straterra, i'm OVER 9000! [15:37] err slackytude [15:37] o.O [15:37] eh? [15:38] pico meters? [15:38] :) [15:38] i lost the units [15:39] probably picometers [15:39] nightnux (n=lnxuser@unaffiliated/nightnux) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:39] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.224.79) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:41] nah, i think it was tera-angstroms or something like that [15:42] eh, funky non-Si units [15:42] grevus (n=greve@210.211.128.224) left irc: "leaving" [15:42] lol [15:42] i'm not normal [15:44] 1 tera angstrom = 100 metre [15:45] yea, that sounds about right [15:45] only its meter, i don't accept your spelling [15:45] Hosw (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Hosw (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: Client Quit [15:46] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: Client Quit [15:46] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Dude, meters measure things like how much gas you've used in a month. [15:46] metres are distance. [15:46] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [15:46] It's not the meteric system. [15:46] not where I live [15:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.36) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: Client Quit [15:47] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-188-225.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [15:47] eviljames, where da feck do you live? [15:48] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176065161.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:48] edman007: Canada. [15:48] meters are a unit used to measure distance [15:48] No, metres are. [15:48] Meters are a measuring instrument. [15:49] othermindszine (n=othermin@131.sub-70-192-147.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [15:50] meÅter: /ÈmitYr/ noun the fundamental unit of length in the metric system, equivalent to 39.37 U.S. inches, originally intended to be, and being very nearly, equal to one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the pole measured on a meridian: [15:50] Ok to solve this matter metres comes from greek language 'metro' which is a unit to measure distance [15:50] right from the source :P [15:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:51] edman007: ugh, butchered american english :( [15:51] canuck [15:51] I can't remember which goof it was that thought Americans weren't smart enough to spell correctly and tried to phoneticize the language... [15:51] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] But that's led to these types of discrepancies... [15:51] ok have a little Q [15:52] downloaded a patch for a file [15:52] how can I apply it? [15:52] GunniH: patch -Np1 (patchfile) usually works [15:52] GunniH: with the patch tool, i suppose [15:52] GunniH: but it depends on the patch I suppose? What's it for? [15:52] http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-battery-plugin [15:53] http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3938#c4 [15:53] edman007: It was Webster. Blame it on that goof. [15:53] is the fix [15:53] usually, to apply these patches you extract the source code, then cd into the sources directory and run patch -p1 but let me see the file... [15:53] Action: eviljames ischecking too [15:54] This is p0 [15:54] no, sorry, p1 :D [15:54] eviljames, dictionary.com says: metre: see meter [15:54] yes, p1 [15:54] edman007: An American website follows poor american spelling, I'm not surprised. [15:55] well, in germany, its meter,too [15:55] slackytude: In German English? [15:55] just tought I throw that in [15:55] ok so pOne [15:55] no, just german [15:55] not pL ;p [15:55] but it gets confusing to swtich them tiny letters [15:56] we use the word "metro" here, like the original greek word [15:56] slackytude, speaking of germany...why does youtube think i'm german? i can't find the thing to change it [15:56] GunniH: copy the patch file to xfce4-battery-plugin-0.5.0/ and run "patch -Np1 [patchfile]" [15:56] GunniH: Should do it for you. [15:56] btw. is there noway to change the bash-3.1# to liek user@box~ [15:56] edman007, eh, I selects english for me [15:56] GunniH, there is [15:56] bash-3.1# patch -Np1 06_fix-ftbfs-2.6.24.patch [15:56] kk [15:56] =) [15:56] slackytude, do share [15:57] edman007: you too, I thought it was confused by my geographical location while I'm in NL [15:57] edman007, so, Im the wrong dude to ask [15:57] GunniH: put a statement in your bashrc like "PS1=%u@%m %~ %# " (someone correct these for bash values [15:57] GunniH, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ [15:57] agris (n=agris@85.254.249.5) joined ##slackware. [15:57] hello [15:57] slackytude, well its on german english right now, i can't get it to US english...its showing me german status messages, with a link to the german homepage on the front [15:57] slackytude: *click* bookmarked thanks for that :D [15:57] correct it? let him rtfm [15:57] psychicist, same thing? [15:58] edman007, using a proxy? [15:58] eviljames, ^-^ [15:58] slackytude, yea [15:58] slackytude: I'm a zsh dork so I didn't even know where the manual was ;D [15:58] edman007, from germany? [15:58] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [15:58] edman007: I was confused, gmail did something like this for me [15:58] GunniH: i think you need to use the angle to redirect input, like in eviljames: what's good in zsh comparing to bash? [15:59] but my mac uses the same proxy and i don't get it [15:59] baw rg3 thanks =) [15:59] worked [15:59] agris: I abuse the hell out of tab completion, so zsh used to be the natrual choice [15:59] Though as I understand bash is now caught right up [15:59] edman007: while I connected to gmail.google.com, it told me I was in germany, couldn't be logged in and they couldn't provide me a link either [15:59] :) [15:59] edman007, hrm [15:59] indeed tab completion in zsh is epic :D [15:59] psychicist, they arent allowed [16:00] agris: I tab complete command line options (ie rsync - to see what they do) and urls http://site/b completes it.. [16:00] haha [16:00] it also provies a nice menu to choose options from in tab completion. [16:00] slackytude: but I'm not in germany and I don't use german software either [16:00] bash is still behind in terms of completion : it can't complete 'cd /u/s/l' [16:00] aperturefever: I've heard that bash has an addon that you can get to give it similar capabilities to zsh? [16:01] eviljames: ok, got it :) i've never used zsh, just standard ones bash, ksh, tcsh. so .. :) [16:01] agris: spell check too [16:01] ahh, zsh can. [16:01] Action: Camarade_Tux drunk a third of the beer he bought (1 liter out of 3.5l) [16:01] eviljames: never heard of it.. too busy with the zsh abyssal manpage [16:02] aperturefever: http://zshwiki.org/home/ [16:02] gunni@gbox ~ [16:02] yay [16:02] :D [16:02] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] yeah i know that page.. pretty sweet [16:03] thanks slackytude [16:03] aperturefever: good good, just making sure. [16:03] psychicist, just commenting on the fact that they dont provide a link or redirect you. they arent allowed [16:03] Camarade_Tux: you fail. drink it aaaalll. MOAAR [16:04] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [16:04] nullboy, nah, I don't want to have to shop again on tomorrow ;) [16:04] (and I haven't really eaten much tonight ;) ) [16:04] lol [16:06] slackytude: 302's are illegal in Germany? [16:06] plus I think I've drunk just what I need to sleep well :) [16:06] Camarade_Tux: barely nightcap yay [16:06] eviljames, nope, its about the domain gmail.com. that belongs to someone else, and it got weird after that [16:06] barley* [16:07] well, not the domain, the gmail stuff [16:07] its weird [16:07] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host155-197-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "brb maybe" [16:07] has anyone here migrated a company's email server to gmail managed mail yet? [16:07] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] Im tyring to push for google calendar [16:08] it all sounds like a nice thing [16:08] as long as you can control the users, like prevent deletion [16:08] as long as google is up [16:08] stuff like that [16:08] Google Calendar + Google Sync on a blackberry = pretty decent. [16:08] but even google calendar sucks with outlook [16:09] it got better with 2007 but its still the suck [16:10] my life would be so much better withoutt outlook [16:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:10] btw. slackytude is there any chance of getting the mouse3 to werk ;s tried xorg configgng alot, so far nuttn [16:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:11] GunniH: btw did you try searching for slackware + mouse wheel? [16:11] well, I guess I'll sleep a bit more than usual at last, good night :) [16:11] gnight Camarade_Tux [16:11] nighty night [16:11] nullboy, and you can't drink that much beer without peeing too much ;) [16:12] I remember how it was in Munchen, in a beer bar : toilets entrance were nearly two meters-wide and they were probably the biggest I had ever seen (drank 3 liters there) [16:13] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:14] Camarade_Tux: haha [16:16] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176088032.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [16:17] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] lee555J5 (n=lee@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:22] isn't this an oxymoron? http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cpg/1123401791.html [16:22] wordpress security? [16:23] heh [16:24] Guest13641 (i=4cb2e82e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-689c2b0171626fb2) joined ##slackware. [16:24] d[-_-_-_-_-_-_]b (i=4cb2e82e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-174b9b3c9a5e3e17) joined ##slackware. [16:25] nullboy, "my hosting company is not answering emails"...that throws some flags [16:25] lol [16:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] maybe they got their account suspended or something [16:25] "If you know how to use wordpress 2.7 to add an admin or reset the admin password without anything - even an ftp... Please contact me. I'm willing to pay well for this service. " <--that is illegal [16:25] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:26] in fact just asking for someone to perform that service is questionable [16:26] Yeah, to me this is "I want to bust into someone's page, plz help ill pay" [16:26] they are asking for someone to crack their site because their SP locked them out [16:26] My hosting company uses a Hotmail e-mail account. [16:26] no, its not illegal if you own it, which presumably he does [16:26] He should be posting that add in Romania or something. [16:26] d[-_-_-_-_-_-_]b, worst nick evar [16:26] if he owns it he should have the passwords [16:26] slackytude: +++++++ so true. [16:26] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] yeah i just ignored that nick [16:27] No, I have a worse nick. [16:27] {}}{}{}{}}{} [16:27] nullboy, probably the best [16:27] nullboy, as i see it there are three options, a) his is on bad terms with the host, account is expired or something b) wants to hack it c) he is the owner and get hacked [16:27] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [16:27] i kinda think a) is the right answer [16:28] I'd expect b [16:28] Actually, my pseudonym is art. Also, it evades human's semantic memory. [16:29] I wanted to make my nickname 32 chars, but Freenode is worse than EFnet. [16:29] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [16:29] long nick sucks [16:29] if the longest word in line is nick, there's probably something not right [16:29] edman007: lol someone took over his site [16:29] heh [16:29] hahaha [16:30] why would you want a nick that is revolting to the people you want to communicate with, seems to be a conflict or contradiction [16:30] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [16:30] nullboy, yea, i think that is what he is trying to say (got hacked, bad), but i kinda doubt it [16:30] a or b is the most likely answer [16:31] yeah [16:31] Pig_Pen: Because nullboy won't let me use AdolfHitler. [16:31] i'm not an op Mr. Obvious [16:31] ... [16:31] I sense a kick coming [16:31] lmao [16:31] Slackboy I mean. [16:31] i would have banned him days ago [16:32] I am unkickable. [16:32] orly? [16:32] oh man, mibbit? he should be banned for using it [16:32] Oh shit, this isn't me. This is the clone. [16:32] cpe-76-178-232-46.maine.res.rr.com [16:32] ... [16:32] . [16:33] This is me, [16:33] This is me ignoring you. [16:33] The nick I really want: WorldPresidentBarackObama [16:34] me wonders is alienBOB, phrag, or rworkman is around [16:34] New World Order is a conspiracy, and free software is part of it. [16:34] d[-_-_-_-_-_-_]b: just get lost, please :D [16:34] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:34] ##slackware: mode change '+d cpe-76-178-232-46.maine.res.rr.com' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [16:34] d[-_-_-_-_-_-_]b: I warned you before [16:34] oh, rworkman is, yay! [16:34] Good :-) [16:34] houston we have lift-off [16:35] :D [16:35] For Great Justice [16:35] d[-_-_-_-_-_-_]b: you are not unkickable, but you *are* an annoying sack of shit. [16:35] d[-_-_-_-_-_-_]b kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: rworkman [16:35] Guest13641 kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: rworkman [16:35] Action: edman007 high fives rworkman [16:36] Any other nicks I missed? [16:36] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [16:36] lol [16:36] peace at last! peace at last! peace at last! [16:36] so much for unkickable [16:36] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [16:37] tremble mortals [16:37] lol [16:38] Well, afk. Have fun :) [16:38] hungry and dirty, time to wash the sawdust off and grab a bite, bbiaf :) [16:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-188-225.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [16:41] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.1.93) joined ##slackware. [16:41] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [16:44] rworkman: You missed eviljames. That guy is an idiot. [16:44] That can be cured eviljames if you want [16:45] whoa whoa, let's not be hasty here... [16:45] lol [16:45] Action: edman007 sets ban on eviljames (idiot) [16:45] Action: alienBOB admires self-censorship [16:45] well-deserved. [16:46] alienBOB, i think we should just ban mibbit [16:46] i think we need more outside regulation on self-regulation [16:46] no ban mibbit [16:46] slackboy needs some AI so he can kick people when its funny [16:46] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:46] oh wait, yeah ban mibbit [16:47] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:48] edman007: I love both of those points. Genius. [16:48] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:48] yes rename that slackboy thing to Maradona [16:51] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:52] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:53] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:53] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [16:54] i think the best thing would be to setup slackboy to kick or ban people who say they want to be kicked or banned. that would be hilarious [16:55] haha, who's got a hand of god?> [16:55] Nick change: straterra -> nullboy_ [16:55] I want to be banned [16:55] Nick change: nullboy_ -> straterra [16:55] or just a random kick on random intervall [16:55] slackware roulette [16:55] don't make me get the hose [16:55] Not quite. I think there should be individual random wheels for statements. [16:55] I'll put the lotion on [16:55] err, users. [16:56] lol [16:56] Once a user hits the channel a large random number of times (like 1837661) BAng kicked [16:56] With a random reason. [16:58] Haha slackware roulette thats funny spin the wheel and lets see who gets kicked. [16:58] It seems there's plans for an ext4 online defrag program. [16:58] does ext4 need defraging? [16:58] like any filesystem [16:59] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:59] afaik, there was already a preliminar version available somewhere, at least in source form [16:59] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [16:59] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:01] I never defrag [17:01] on linux anyway [17:01] slackytude: same here. [17:02] me neither, but every filesystem fragments under some conditions [17:02] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:02] yeah, but I couldnt be arsed [17:02] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:02] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:03] never noticed any decreasing performance [17:03] so, I dont really care [17:03] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:03] is it possible to defrag on linux ? [17:03] does ntfs-tools do defrag? [17:03] haha a fresh install of windows needs a defrag once instalation is complete then formated. [17:04] any free software translators here? what is a good place to start for a wannabe translator? not launchpad, please :) [17:04] babelfish? [17:04] translator for what languages or something else? [17:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] no, like a place to localize free software projects. [17:05] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:05] You should check out the software project you want to translate [17:05] ah [17:05] i just use google's language tools http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en [17:05] There is no central translation repository [17:05] most big projects have internationalization teams [17:05] alienBOB, thought so. thanks. [17:05] and mailing lists [17:06] I do dutch translation for a couple of software projects [17:06] YOu always talk to the developers [17:06] so you can offer your help to any project you may be interested in translating [17:06] ok, i see. [17:07] many have open , wiki like translation sites too [17:07] i always forget somehow that alienBOB is not a native speaker lol [17:07] I think xfce has something like that [17:08] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:09] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.94.123) left irc: "Leaving." [17:09] spaceonline (n=spaceonl@189.83.55.158) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-101-8.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [17:09] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [17:10] Action: slava_dp checks out xfce i18n [17:12] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [17:13] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-185-127.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:13] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:14] Braqoon (i=1000@89.240.230.136) joined ##slackware. [17:14] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03B05.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:14] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] hi i updated my 12.2 to current and when i want to compile kernel i'm getting : [17:15] /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:39:26: error: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory [17:15] what i due to some gcc-g++ issue [17:15] but i got all gcc installed [17:16] any help ? [17:16] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.231) joined ##slackware. [17:17] install the kernel headers package? [17:17] Braqoon: the file seems to be in the glibc package [17:18] how did you install gcc? [17:18] slackpkg install gcc* [17:18] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.1.93) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:19] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.197.216) joined ##slackware. [17:19] poedit is a great tool for translating, as far as i can tell. and it's on sbo! oh yeah! :) [17:20] slackytude, i also got all glib* stuff [17:20] Braqoon, did you upgrade the whole system? or like partially? [17:21] upgraded all [17:21] at least i thinks so [17:21] Does anybody know what might cause really long dns lookup times in firefox? Doing an nslookup is almost instantaneous, but firefox (and now thunderbird) take FOREVER to lookup certain addresses. [17:21] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:21] slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all && slackpkg install-new && slackpkg clean-system [17:21] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:22] booteco (n=booteco@201.22.37.231.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:22] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [17:23] slava_dp, clean-system will remove lot's of packages that i want to keep [17:23] Braqoon, you remove what you want. it lets you choose. [17:23] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204593.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [17:23] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Does the slackware-current mc have the ability to read lzma or xz files? [17:24] ach :) honestly didn't tried before, was scared that will purify my slack :) [17:24] I mean for the virtual filesystem. [17:25] Shingoshi, ? [17:25] if i had an .xz file i would tell you [17:25] slava_dp: Thanks [17:26] stillborn (n=stillbor@YKMCXLIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:26] there is fuse support for lzo [17:27] Shingoshi, will try creating an xz now..... let me see [17:27] slava_dp: Are you using slackware-current? [17:27] i dont think it does [17:28] I wonder if the feature exists in mc at all? I know lzma does. [17:28] Shingoshi, i'm on -current, mc does not understand xz. [17:28] Thanks. I didn't think so. [17:29] mc is an old unmaintained-for-ages piece of code. [17:29] xz is a very new file format [17:29] I'll check the latest sources for mc and see if they have it added yet. [17:29] make a feature request if it doesnt [17:29] it does not even work with utf-8 correctly as far as i can tell. [17:29] Well, Vector, Gentoo and others must all have patches for lzma then. [17:30] mc is maintained now btw [17:30] I guess I need to get patches for it. [17:30] Yeah. I thought so. Because I was in touch with the maintainers while using Gentoo. [17:30] sahko, nice to know that someone cares for it's poor soul at last [17:31] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [17:31] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:31] http://midnight-commander.org/roadmap [17:31] can some have look on full listing please ? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/112706/ [17:31] mc is the first package I install on any system. Simply for it's versatility. [17:31] Action: slava_dp would have more use for mc if not for the bugs [17:31] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [17:32] i love mc! my favorite file manager & text editor [17:33] stillbor2 (n=stillbor@YKMMDXLIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Braqoon, looks like your build system is hosed. what kind of kernel is it by the way? [17:33] you probably wouldn't say that if you had a quadcore, Pig_Pen :P [17:33] slava_dp, 2.6.28.2 [17:34] manual build [17:34] Yeah, then he'd be all over Thunar! [17:34] lee555J5 (n=lee@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] meh [17:34] why would a quadcore CPU have any bearing on what my favorite file manager is? [17:34] wacka_mole (n=dan@c-67-184-66-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] ^x2 [17:34] <3 Tnu [17:34] <3 Thunar [17:34] got it made under 12.2, but this is just a test [17:34] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] any soft is failing to compile with those errors [17:34] Pig_Pen: because don't you know, anything with a quadcore is awesome! [17:35] Is there one program that's better than the other for printing pictures, specifically 4x6? I rarely need to print pictures, and haven't really done so from Linux so I was looking for recommendations. [17:35] i could have an IBM s390 or some other big hunk of iron and would still use mc [17:35] most of the time coreutils is enough even for quadcore [17:35] wacka_mole (n=dan@c-67-184-66-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [17:35] Does thunar work on the commandline? [17:35] Pig_Pen: because that would be like owning bluray, but choosing to watch movies in betamax. [17:35] lol [17:35] Pig_Pen: Same here!! [17:35] Shingoshi: Thunar = xfce's file manager [17:35] i am just a betamax kind of guy [17:35] Shingoshi, thunar is for Xfce [17:35] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@tm.84.52.190.253.dc.cable.static.telemach.net) left ##slackware. [17:35] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-185-127.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [17:35] some like the grains ;) [17:36] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-185-127.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:36] So why compare an Xap with a commandline tool then? That makes no sense at all. [17:36] Braqoon, well i don't have any other kernel source but the stock 2.6.29.1 now. it runs menuconfig just fine. [17:36] -uname [17:37] lol sorry wrong tty [17:37] Pig_Pen: I like the fact that I don't need anything else other than mc for it to work. And it works so well at what it does! [17:37] slava_dp, it's not just kernel. eg. HP drivers and some other soft giving me this : [17:37] configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check [17:38] mc aint bad, good if you have only terminal and need some visuals [17:38] oooh, did you screw up the library update? [17:38] Excuse me? I use nothing but mc in all of my KDE Konsoles. [17:39] Shingoshi, cant beat the Thunar [17:39] Braqoon, something is totally broken over there in your system [17:39] In every Konsole, I have up to 12 instances of mc. [17:39] try reinstalling the whole d/ series. [17:39] the konq kicks ass! :P [17:39] slava_dp, that i know :P question is how i can pinpoint what's broken [17:39] you can't [17:39] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@KMMDCCCXLVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:40] shit [17:40] Braqoon: Everything ;) [17:40] Braqoon, pop in your dvd, cd slackware/d; installpkg --reinstall ./*.tgz [17:40] or more accurately, it'll take you longer to pinpoint than to reinstall [17:40] Braqoon, that will do [17:40] yeah [17:41] wow, but 12.2 reinstall will totally screw current [17:41] better to install from scratch [17:41] Braqoon, eh, cd to your -current mirror [17:41] slackytude: I don't know why you keep talking about Thunar, when if X is broken for any reason, it does you no good at all. [17:41] and do the same [17:41] you could reinstall the current packages instead [17:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [17:41] Shingoshi, agreed [17:41] Shingoshi, its not like I dislike mc or anything [17:42] I wouldnt need mc in X tho, like you seem to do [17:42] That's why I always have mc installed before anything else. I can even use it during an installation if I chroot. [17:43] whatever floats yer boat,mate [17:43] can't you use anything if chroot ? :) [17:43] mc doesn't require the resources of X to manage other machines on the local network. [17:43] I never used any file managers lol its always been commandline based for me. [17:43] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Shingoshi, <----- resource zealot :) [17:43] agris: Try using X from chroot during an install. [17:44] Shingoshi, well, its not like im helpless without X. Im in an xterm most of the time [17:44] Shingoshi: i'll try next time [17:44] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "Leaving." [17:44] If you already have X installed, you don't need the chroot. [17:44] Besides, it would screwup the rest of the install. [17:45] anyways, i'm quite happy without X at all [17:45] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] mc should almost be apart of the coreutils. [17:46] apart/a part of [17:46] yeah [17:46] nah [17:46] like ddate? [17:46] coreutils should be drop-dead simple imho [17:46] TheBig (n=TheBig@151.16.180.131) joined ##slackware. [17:46] no menus or guis or any of that goofiness. just sweet cli goodness. [17:46] stillborn (n=stillbor@YKMCXLIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] wow a desktop w/o x would leave much to be desired :D [17:47] I think I will build my own coreutils, and include mc in it. [17:47] lol [17:47] :) [17:47] antler: cli rulez them all [17:47] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] nice. Call SNGCoreutils. Shingoshi's not Gnue [17:47] s/gnue/gnu/ [17:47] for you, my friend. for you. [17:47] it's faster and more flexible comapred doing that all by GUI [17:47] agris: ++ [17:48] eviljames: That actually sounds pretty nice!! [17:48] I once found an OS that was programmed in ASM the thing was tiny and worked great but all commandline. :) [17:48] lf4 : menuet [17:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Look at IBM's TPF. Now that's awesome, and all commandline. [17:49] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Let me think of what the initials stand for. [17:49] The F is for facility. [17:50] SpyKee (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [17:50] 'transaction processing facility' [17:50] Shingoshi: Look at Sun's SMF, it's a neater set of facilities :D [17:50] You're right! [17:50] I don't know about SMF [17:50] I will have to look at it. [17:51] But like IBM's, it's likely not opensource. [17:51] Which is a shame. [17:51] Actually, 100% open source. [17:51] Sun is pushing a ton of their stuff to be open (well, CDDL) [17:51] SMF? [17:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] WOW!! I wish IBM would do that. [17:52] ananke: freak haha I think menuet was it but looking at it now.. GUI and 64bit support thats crazy. [17:52] afaict IBM is one of the leading contributors to kernel in terms of kloc ? [17:52] Will SMF compile on Linux? [17:52] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:52] by kernel I mean linux kernel, and no SMF won't compile per se, it's a management tool. [17:52] I meant with the TPF. [17:52] ahh [17:53] TPF is a complete OS. [17:53] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [17:53] ye gods, all that in ASM [17:53] Created originally to manage airline traffic. [17:53] think of SMF as an init system + daemon tools [17:54] Then why couldn't it be ported to Linux? [17:54] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-154-107-112.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:54] Shingoshi: Licensing, most likely, otherwise it's certainly possible to do. [17:55] eviljames: Have you actually used SMF? [17:55] Shingoshi: yes. [17:55] So you have Sun machines then? [17:55] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:55] opensolaris runs on x86 hardware, so I use it on commodity machines. [17:55] SpyKee (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:55] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.197.216) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:56] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.26.21) joined ##slackware. [17:56] when doing a media copy and k3b displays "retrieving all CSS keys", is that an indicator that the .iso that k3b outputs is a descrambled iso or is that just k3b unscrambling it to read it and the ISO will still be scrambled? [17:56] I'm pretty sure it results in a descrambled iso [17:56] sec, let me try to mount one. [17:56] And to who ever said mc is good for people with old processors or limited resources. I'm getting a Q9400 tomorrow. And I already run with 8 GBs ram. [17:57] Shingoshi, just let it rest, man [17:57] haha [17:57] eviljames: how goes it? =) [17:57] so, it's possible perform day-to-day tasks, e.g., view pics, edit home videos, without x? interesting. [17:57] Action: Shingoshi smiles again! [17:57] dtanner: well, and you? [17:57] eviljames: doing ood , just got back froma bike ride [17:57] good* [17:58] hey dtanner. [17:58] yo firebird619 [17:58] y0 firebird619 [17:58] it must be late.. [17:58] Hey slackytude. How's it going? [17:58] 4:57 PM here. [17:58] 23:57 [17:58] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:58] 15:58 [17:58] eh, 11:57 pm [17:58] nullboy: So I just mounted an iso and it said nothing of scrambling or css being required. [17:58] sigh - got b0rked laptop running headless and managed to rescue my work - what a pain [17:59] 14:59 [17:59] antler: I'm using pc for ircing, reading news and mail on net, administering and that kinf of things mostly. [17:59] eviljames: nice, thanks for checking that out. [17:59] firebird619, still fine ^-^ you? [17:59] eviljames: i'm in the process right now [17:59] who's got a T42 display they can post me? [17:59] slackytude: doing great. just working on getting some pictures printed. [17:59] eh, I need mine,dive [17:59] nullboy: np, the finding of CSS keys with whichvever lib is the painful part... can take a while. [17:59] firebird619: Have you thought about digikam? [18:00] eviljames: building now. :D [18:00] eviljames: k3b did it but i just couldn't tell if it was going to output a descrambled iso or if it was just doing that to read the disk [18:00] nice. That's what gf uses to manage her photos, and claims she will hurt me if its not on the machine. [18:01] I like digikam, it's just on mine, the Batch menu is always blank. [18:01] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:01] agris: so if you had to edit a video, you'd do it w/o x? [18:01] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-63a5cd177f3cf7c2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] antler: agris: haha both need to admit there is a time and a place for X and for CLI ;) [18:02] antler: if I had to edit video, i'd think. but i'm pretty sure i'll never need to [18:03] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:03] haha [18:03] I think this may be what I want: http://packages.pardus.org.tr/info/2008/source/mc.html [18:03] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [18:03] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) joined ##slackware. [18:03] editing video at the command line is easy. ffmpeg options ftw [18:03] antler: that's why i can live without x, and you can't :) So, everybody does what he needs to and how it likes to. It doesn't mean everybody else should do the same :) [18:03] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.36) left irc: [18:04] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] agris: very true. that is why "cli is superior" (w/o qualification) is meaningless. [18:04] eviljames: even inserting external sound, adding subtitle, cutting out parts, blablabla? :) [18:04] agris, I live in the console too - use x very rarely when elinks doesn't work and I need FF [18:05] agris: dunno about subtitles, but the rest is all trivial. [18:05] eviljames: how about viewing them from CLI? [18:05] mplayer -vo svga [18:06] is anyone having issue compiling k3b svn around r954558 ? [18:06] blah... mplayer haha [18:06] zgv for viewing still images, mplayer for flash and everything else [18:06] i'll post the error in a minute [18:06] I need to install it haha [18:06] i use X more than the console (cli) but if not for slackware i would have never been forced to learn to use the CLI for which i am greatful to slackware for, i learned more about Linux using slackware than any other distro which made slackware my alltime favorite [18:07] i've got Operating systems II this semester at uni, and I have to learn ubuntu 8.10, but we can use just gui tools. that's pain in the ass [18:07] slackware FTW! [18:07] aalib right? [18:07] mornin' [18:07] Action: eviljames is laggggging [18:07] Action: lf4 admits to using x and opening up Konsole's to work in linux :) [18:07] eviljames, svga [18:07] aalib is fun though [18:07] Morning frullet [18:08] mornin [18:08] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-7ae080ba8b915edd) joined ##slackware. [18:08] lf4: have you tried Yakuake? it is an awesome KDE terminal very customizable (got some cool features too!) [18:08] darn my irssi /hilight is not working correctly. [18:09] keegan (i=keegan@dopehead.org) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:09] Nope I'll have to check that out Pig_Pen [18:09] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [18:09] you'll love it if you like konsole [18:09] slava_dp, installpkg don't have an option --reinstall [18:09] you will like it if you like a full screen term open/close at touch of a button [18:09] Braqoon, upgradepkg --reinstall [18:10] quake style [18:10] Braqoon, my fail [18:10] slava_dp, np :) [18:10] put yakuake on autohide, and F12 opens it (very handy) [18:10] frullet (n=Bob@124-170-184-165.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [18:10] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.218) left irc: "leaving" [18:11] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:11] I've been using yakuake alot lately. that with screen + irssi. :) [18:11] Pig_Pen: That would be really nice :) [18:11] I never understood the point of screen [18:12] why? [18:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is4lWYGM6rM heres a bit or rock & roll history :D [18:13] start screen session outside X with irssi and whichever apps you need in console, startx, open yakuake, screen -r -d and you have all those apps in x [18:13] exit x, type screen -r -d and you have those apps back again [18:13] outside x [18:13] that makes me want to play with screen dive :) [18:13] repeat ad naseum [18:13] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:14] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] dive: from what it sounded like it creates a new tty from X lol [18:14] it's also good for compiling stuff or other long processes remotely [18:14] I'll have to mess around with it once I finish figuring out what I want on this server. [18:14] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) joined ##slackware. [18:14] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] Pig_Pen, ^^ that rules [18:15] I usually make slackbuilds up on desktop machine in a screen session from laptop, log out if I need to and desktop machine keeps running it [18:15] screen+irssi = myst_have [18:15] *must_have [18:15] then later I can log in again [18:15] tmux is nice to as a screen alternative [18:16] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] oh man that does sound nice :) [18:16] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [18:17] i wonder wether it works in tmux more than one user writes in irssi at the same time :) [18:17] slava_dp, i did upgradepkg as you said with current d/ [18:17] no change [18:18] uh [18:18] should there be a rc.cups in rc.d ? [18:18] slackytude: yes [18:18] lol [18:18] O_o [18:19] How did you misplace that? [18:19] man, I swear it wasnt there a second before [18:19] damn files, ceeping arounf [18:19] it went missing when he deleted rc.saucers [18:19] Braqoon, ok, now you'll have to reinstall l/ :-) [18:19] Now that makes sense, I always use rc.mugs just for that reason. [18:20] slava_dp, :) [18:20] Braqoon, better telinit 3 first..... [18:20] if not already there [18:20] dang i think k3b is busted for now [18:20] looks like it need policykit now [18:20] while my T42 was in bits I thought I'd look under the fan and recompound the cpu - god I think there must have 5 years of dust and fluff in it [18:20] ok, screen is installed, if i kill X and do screen -r -d i can access irssi if killing X does not kill irssi too? [18:20] ok wil do that tomorrow [18:21] Braqoon, good luck with it =) [18:21] Pig_Pen, no it only works if you started irssi in screen in the first place [18:21] oops, i gotta detach first before fidding with that [18:21] wife will kill me she switch on tomorrow and nothing :) [18:21] slava_dp, thanks [18:21] yeah, i see now i tried it in an xterm [18:21] cya and thanks for help [18:21] Braqoon (i=1000@89.240.230.136) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] anyone in the room willing to help me with a bsd question? [18:21] start irssi in the console within screen, then it works [18:21] Pig_Pen, http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4988/icanhaz.png i took this today [18:21] Pig_Pen, yes [18:22] so I start in konsole $ screen irssi [18:22] Nick change: dhabyx -> dbx-- [18:22] look at those big blue eyes! that baby is adorable! [18:22] is that a no? [18:22] Nick change: dbx-- -> dbx--o0oo [18:22] and irssi will keep running if I kill x? [18:23] lf4: if you started it within screen, sure [18:23] nix_chix0r, nice kid :) [18:23] #openbsd ... well, speaks for itself, i have a simple arp info overwritten repeat error on my dmesg [18:23] TheBig (n=TheBig@151.16.180.131) left irc: "Leaving" [18:23] night, everyone [18:23] Nick change: dbx--o0oo -> dbx--d [18:23] Pig_Pen, slava_dp heheheh he likes boobs [18:23] nini [18:23] Nick change: dbx--d -> dbx--d\ [18:23] vastina: two boxes on your network have the same IP address, maybe? (just guessing though) [18:23] night slava_dp [18:24] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:24] Nick change: dbx--d\ -> dhabyx [18:24] Urchlay: that i know buddy, my question is, would my machines display the error if it's going on elsewhere on the same network? [18:24] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "Leaving." [18:24] vastina: You have two IP on the same subnet? [18:25] Urchlay: arp -a is giving me a response for the dhcp server that's in conflict, which makes me wonder [18:25] maybe only if your pc is dhcpd [18:25] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [18:25] we had that once, crappy dhcp server [18:25] vastina: you mean, if your machine isn't one of the ones with a dup address, will it still notice and complain about the other 2? probably, yes [18:25] but really that's pretty OS-specific, and I don't know openBSD well enough to say for sure [18:25] agris: that might be an idea, this is a new setup, so maybe i did forget dhcpd, doubt it though... [18:26] Urchlay: yeah, that was my question, but maybe i'm running dhcpd by default and not realising it (doubtful, but checking his possible stupidity) [18:26] mamma's boobs and a newborn baby go together like bread & butter, or salt & pepper, (ya cant have one without the other) :D [18:26] we had a router once that would give out same ip to two clients [18:26] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:26] a long time ago I accidentally set up 2 Linux boxes on the same subnet with the same IP, and it worked OK (dropped packets, but both machines still had internet access, etc) [18:27] heh [18:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:27] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:27] the poor switch [18:27] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-74-109-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Urchlay: i wonder if one PC could auto-sniff packets from the other PC setup that way [18:27] switch? this was the Dark Ages, we had a hub :) [18:27] lol [18:27] nope, dhcpd is off.... [18:28] at least you didnt route by hand, like we had to do [18:28] Haha Urchlay thats funny and why it worked. [18:28] now i'm confused unless my mahcine is seeing a conflict somewhere else on the same network [18:28] fuck [18:28] vastina: it might be that it's just noticing it elsewhere on the network, and being helpful by informing you... [18:28] Action: vastina was hoping it was something that stupid too [18:28] Hub = SPAM lol [18:28] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:28] Urchlay: that's what i'm hoping is going on [18:28] a samba network can pretty much kill a hub'ed network [18:29] vastina: really is an OS-specific question though, wish I knew the answer for sure [18:29] you all know how the openbsd community is.... i'm kind of on a noose with my question [18:29] slackytude: or playing ancient versions of Doom [18:29] heh, aye [18:29] that was fun [18:29] vastina, anyways there's specific problem described here: http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Unix/BSD/OpenBSD/Q_23340391.html [18:30] actually I don't know about the community. I know Theo de Raadt is someone I hope I never have to deal with (smart guy, but gods help you if you disagree with him) [18:30] I tossed my TACACS+ server on a 10mb hub to test what would happen with a broadcast storm. It was so funny to see. [18:30] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:30] I disagree with Theo de Raadt! [18:30] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) joined ##slackware. [18:31] lf4: well if he were here, he'd come down on you like a ton o' bricks (only bricks with sharp pointy edges) [18:31] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [18:31] I like bricks. [18:32] Urchlay: aint that the truth... Wu-Theo Clan ain't nothin to fsck with [18:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:32] eviljames, scroll up to link [18:32] sometimes wonder what'd happen if you locked Theo and DJB in a room together [18:33] they'd either develop some really impressive code together, or disembowel each other [18:33] nix_chix0r: The experts-exchange on? [18:33] Nick change: lf4 -> LifeForce4 [18:33] Urchlay: i'm a fan of theo's work.... [18:33] but yeah he does seem anal and like someone i wouldn't personally want to speak with [18:34] no eviljames http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/4988/icanhaz.png [18:34] i took that today [18:34] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [18:34] nix_chix0r: I lastlog'd just in case got it..sec [18:34] i configured my boxes correctly, these mac's aren't coming from my boxes [18:34] LifeForce4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) left irc: "Testing screen ;)" [18:35] nix_chix0r: hahahah NICE. [18:35] also, cute kid [18:35] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:35] ! [18:35] vastina: that about sums up how I feel about him, too [18:35] vastina: well if they're not your boxes, are they at least boxes that are supposed to be on your network? [18:36] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h112n1c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] Now that is pretty cool :) haha I'll have to use screen more often. [18:36] Heya guys [18:36] i love screen [18:36] <3 screen [18:36] (it's probably considered a security feature for openbsd to show that kind of error, just in case someone's using your network unauthorized) [18:36] never used screen <3 [18:37] using screen right now, it rules [18:37] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:37] So now that I have irssi running in screen and I killed X how do I switch back to tty1 with out closeing irssi? [18:37] except when it decides not to handle the backspace key properly (I have to run 'TERM=xterm screen') [18:37] Urchlay: yeah they're on my network, it started with the bloody windows dhcp server, but then i saw it on my openbsd machines... so, although i'm far from a newb, i'm thinking i fucked something up, but as it turns out i'm sure i did everythingn right on therm and they're just seeing what the windows dhcp server is seeing [18:38] lf4: alt-F1 takes you to tty1. log in there, run "screen -r" [18:38] lf4, hard to kill screen, it will just detach [18:38] but, shock-shock, seeing the problem in further detail than the M$ server [18:39] Urchlay: I am in tty1 and when I typed screen -r -d it brought irssi back but haha now what? do I have to use tty2 now? [18:39] which made me sanity check my own setups [18:39] lf4: not at all. "ctrl-a c" will create a new virtual terminal within screen [18:39] Action: straterra gets tired of the M$ joke [18:39] Action: Stutteringmatt seeks eviljames [18:39] Action: vastina wasn't making a joke on M$ [18:39] Oh cool... [18:39] it jokes on itself [18:39] :) [18:40] Action: lf4 needs to go study the screen docs now [18:40] and "ctrl-A space" will cycle thru the virtual screens [18:40] i think it's not so much the joke but the stupid $$$$$$$ part.... [18:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Action: Stutteringmatt is leaving, cya [18:40] and ctrl-A A to toggle between two of them (a bit like alt-tab) [18:40] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h112n1c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:40] okay fine, Microsoft Windows Server 2003... whatever it is [18:40] hahah [18:40] that proper enough mate? [18:40] haha [18:40] poor guy [18:40] stutteringmatt was lookin for me while I was afk for 10 minutes.. [18:41] vastina: well you did leave out Family.... [18:41] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:41] but close enough [18:41] and now you know pretty much all I've ever known about screen for the past 12-13 years :) [18:41] nullboy: please :D [18:41] Urchlay: Thanks :) Haha now I see why people love screen so much. [18:41] lol [18:41] i hate microsoft and/or windows, for a corperation with billions in the bank you would think they would make several decent OSs not just some vulnerable crap every so many years [18:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:41] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89-181-111-209.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Pig_Pen: I like microsoft because it takes the focus off linux :) [18:42] Uh. Those industries are giving lots of people here jobs. [18:42] Pig_Pen: if they managed to create the perfect OS, and sold a zillion copies of it... they'd go out of business in a couple years, because nobody would ever need to buy another OS... [18:42] Security researchers, IT staff to deal with crappy installations, etc. etc. [18:42] i'm not getting into on the windows subject in a linux channel, it blows the chrome off mr t's nuts, yes i agree.... but my bread also pays me to administer it with my *n?x boxes... so i have to keep it around per my boss [18:42] (grossly oversimplified, of course) [18:42] haha eviljames does have a good point :) [18:42] macros (n=macros@75-111-131-126.tex.dyn.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] Nick change: macros -> Guest2724 [18:43] Urchlay: problem is, you'll have to pay per-year cost for OS and Office :P [18:43] agris: does that actually exist now? people who use Office are just renting it? [18:43] I say bring back sticks and dirt... i mean what can a computer do that you cant draw in dirt with a stick? lol [18:43] well, my clients do [18:43] why would they want to do that? [18:43] microsoft is a corporation that is US based which means it ultimately has one goal. sysadmins would wish the goal of a large software company like microsoft was to make a perfect product but that is not what the goal of a US/capitalist corporation is. an entity like that has a primary goal of stock holder wealth maximization. [18:43] big businesses.. rent that software [18:45] nullboy: two quibbles there: #1, all corporations are like that, not just US-based ones... and #2, what "stock holder wealth maximization" means in plain English is "institutionalized greed with no conscience" [18:45] that's just how it is [18:45] actually, i'll have lecture at uni about that. there will be some guy from local microsoft.lv to speak about ms licensing practices next friday or monday.. or both days [18:45] Haha [18:45] Urchlay: you can call it what you want but the goal of a corporation is to maximize the profits that the stock holders can take [18:46] microsoft was made to fuck up and create business opportunities for her partners, a feat macintosh continually fails to rival... that's their purpose, we're all in here because we either love our computers, are power users, students, or IT admins... all of which have purposes, so we use an OS with purpose, and we have this in common so here we are, end of Microsoft story [18:46] infinate growth and profit maximation is what milked the cow dry and is about to crash the economy, there has to be a better way to run a nation and its business than that, people are more important than money anyway [18:46] Its all about the $$$ [18:46] corporations have the same rights as humans (or more), but they don't have the same goals/priorities as humans [18:46] Urchlay: yes indeed [18:46] at least that it how it appears to most of us [18:46] Pig_Pen: unfortunately communism has always been even worse, every time it's been tried... [18:47] i am afraid vastina is right [18:47] a balance between the two Urchlay [18:47] when the ultimate goal is to maximize profit within the framework created by the governing bodies you're bound to see manipulation of markets [18:47] nullboy: a corporation can't fall in love, or feel shame, or act unselfishly in any way (all the noble things that make humans better than animals) [18:48] Urchlay: which is also part of the beauty of an incorporated business [18:48] Urchlay: it's called software assurance :) you take this offer and can get newest software from ms "for free" [18:48] it's the double edged sword [18:49] the corporation is treated as it's own entity, separated from the liabilities of the people who created it, like a threat proxy [18:49] you know what this is called, this is me leaving... but you all know i love chatting it up with you all, so see you tomorrow, night [18:49] Haha Urchlay so what your saying is corporations = animals :) [18:49] I always found that to be pretty shitty [18:49] vastina: later [18:49] see ya vastina [18:49] night vastina [18:49] lf4: i think zombie is more like it [18:49] lf4: worse than animals. My dog loves me... [18:49] later vastina [18:49] thats why unregulated capitalizm degenerates to almost being criminal entities nullboy [18:50] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) joined ##slackware. [18:50] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.98) left irc: "home-bound" [18:50] Pig_Pen: i'm with you on that one too [18:50] very true zombies would be the best way to discribe corps. [18:50] lf4: if they get their teeth into you, you become one of them? [18:50] Pig_Pen, eh, I thought it only get really bad when the regulators and capitalits are in bed together [18:50] they call it rampant, unchecked capitalism [18:51] Urchlay: Yeah why do you think they have Boards of CEO's? ;) [18:51] vampire zombies [18:51] there we go [18:51] yup slackytude, like when regulators are bribed to look the other way [18:51] aye [18:51] regulated alone doesnt make things better, that can easily be worse than unregulated [18:51] sort of like what happened with anderson and Enron [18:51] the auditors had a vested interest [18:51] capitalism in the late 19th/20th centuries led to stuff like 12-yr-old kids working in mineshafts and dying of black lung... there has to be *some* regulation to substitute for the conscience that a corp doesn't have [18:52] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.170.75) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:52] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:52] Urchlay, thats not a given. [18:52] that's what marx's capitalism is :D [18:52] no, that's my opinion... [18:53] i.e. supposed you repel the laws that forbid sending your kid to mine coal, would you send your children there [18:53] hardly [18:53] Fzza3a (n=Fzza3a@41.221.26.21) left irc: "Leaving" [18:54] the whole incorporated concept reminds me human group and crowd mentality. it's like the controllers of the incorporated entity hide behind the group (the corp name) [18:54] slackytude: depends. Are the parents both there, and able to work? Maybe the kid's on his own and will starve without a job (parents dead, or heroin junkies, or can't make enough money to feed all their kids even working 2 jobs each) [18:54] Lifeforce4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [18:55] the welfare system is supposed to be there for people in that situation [18:55] Urchlay, that happens today, too, even with regulations. or, the kid will be cared for, but not in a good way, like abuse by welfare agents [18:55] haha wow I dont have a clue what just happened but screen seems to be running with in itself. [18:55] anyone under 17 should be at school, not having to work to support themselves [18:55] bleah. The welfare system creates zombies though [18:56] then it needs looking at [18:56] social welfare did not get off the ground until 1960's with Lyndon B Johnson and his "great society" [18:56] Pig_Pen, sooner here [18:56] the idea behind it is good [18:56] Bismarck,the old fart [18:56] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [18:56] dive: actually I think people in their mid teen years need more than just school. some sort of real-life education (lot of things don't come across too well in a classroom setting) [18:57] dive, more trouble then its worth [18:57] Lifeforce4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) left irc: Client Quit [18:57] education also needs looking at [18:57] yeah, we already beat the education horse long past death in here, the other night... [18:57] i think high school should include vocational training like welding, construction, & other technical skills, not just some lame metal shop [18:58] MasterShrek (n=MasterSh@71-87-39-128.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:58] LifeForce4 (n=LifeForc@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [18:58] when i boot up my slackware machine, when its not plugged into the network it takes forever to sit and try to grab an ip address, is there anyway i can background this process or make it timeout and move on sooner? [18:58] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [18:58] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:58] Pig_Pen, I think more emphasis should be placed on the 3 r's, then preperation for college for those that are able [18:58] (sic) [18:58] root [18:58] *preparation [18:59] lolz sry [18:59] Pig_Pen: my high school had a lot of that, but there was this social stigma attached to it... "only poor/dumb kids take the votech courses", is how the kids (and their parents) thought about it [18:59] MasterShrek: dhcp timeout? hey everyone can the timeout be adjusted to a shorter amount of time? [18:59] I guess I've just included myself in that statement since I can't spell [18:59] :P [18:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:59] lf4 (n=lf4@71.199.22.31) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] dive: the trouble with the 3 Rs is, by the time you're 15 or 16, you've had 10+ years of them. You either know how to do them (and are bored with the classes), or else you don' [19:00] don't, and never will [19:00] dive: That's okay, the Americans here thought you were using the English spelling. [19:00] Nick change: LifeForce4 -> lf4 [19:01] gee that was strange. So is there anyway to tell if your in a screen or at the real term? [19:01] I mean they made me take English for 12 years... by the time I was in the 10th grade, I spoke it as well as I ever was going to (admittedly, junior English Lit could have been interesting) [19:01] 3 Rs? [19:01] Urchlay, this is true - I guess a level needs to be found - but why teach so much abstract maths to kids? [19:02] MasterShrek: i dont use dhcp (i use a static IP) so i dont know how to adjust it to a shorter timeout [19:02] lf4: try one of the ctrl-A commands. If it doesn't work, you ain't in screen :) [19:02] MasterShrek, you can edit the rc.inet stuff, but its not fun [19:02] Urchlay, mind you I went to school in the 70's in the UK so my experience is no doubt different to yours [19:02] In all seriousness, Id even recommend wicd, even for wired [19:03] Urchlay: Thats the thing screen was running but the ctrl+a was not working, Hahaha tried to run xterm in screen and then screen within that. :P just messing around with it. [19:03] dive: teach it to the ones who are interested in it... in my high school, the abstract math stuff was part of the college prep, so everyone ended up taking it, whether they had any interest or not [19:03] lf4, try splitvt [19:03] Can wicd be run from the console without booting up X? [19:03] Urchlay, yeah same here [19:03] chance22, thinks so. not sure tho [19:04] Urchlay, I would probably have liked to more english than abstract maths if the opportunity was given [19:04] or not, dunno I like maths so.. [19:04] but it is a point I feel [19:04] shoot I'm taking a test tomorrow morning haha I need to brush up on my cisco IOS commands. [19:04] Later everyone. [19:04] I would have liked to learn more languages (human and programming) [19:04] see ya [19:05] bb [19:05] lf4 (n=LifeForc@71.199.22.31) left irc: "off to read about networking again..." [19:05] eh, actually, I guess in HS I actually had 4 computer languages, nothing to complain about there [19:05] we didn't have any, although there was a computer club [19:06] (though the x86 assembly class, there were 2 of us in the class, and we taught the subject to the teacher...) [19:06] they had some pet machine and played snake games on it [19:06] that was for playing doom [19:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-421184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] I once accidentially disable all phones on the school for two hours or so [19:06] damn ISDN [19:06] haha [19:07] damn n00b playing with the phone lines :<> [19:07] when I was in school, programming was what they taught in all computer classes... presumably because BASIC came with the machines, so they didn't have to buy any more software to teach that [19:07] when i was in high school it was the mid 1970's and the highest tech we had was those big old green IBM selectric typewriters :D [19:07] highschool for me was different. they gave me a "student IT" hall pass that was signed by the dean and the electronics teacher. i could do whatever i wanted really [19:07] Pig_Pen: oh man, I miss those typewriters [19:07] tried to connect comp to ISDN line, thought it worked, and went to buy some ice [19:07] othermindszine (n=othermin@176.sub-75-216-50.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:08] went back and everyone was searching for us [19:08] slackytude, student 1 - 0 school admin [19:08] especially bad, since I was supposed to be at french class [19:08] watching a bunch of jocks and cheerleaders trying to puzzle their way through writing a payroll calculator... that was hilarious [19:08] Urchlay, lol [19:09] dive, heh, yeah, computer club scores [19:09] and they'd complain "why do I have to learn this, I'll never use it?"... and they were right (they needed to learn stuff like word processing, spreadsheets...) [19:09] http://www.hulu.com/watch/63844/revenge-of-the-nerds [19:09] haha [19:09] no internet back then, so they couldn't have learned to use browsers and email [19:09] funny enough, we even had a linux machine back then. with fvm, heh [19:10] Nick change: Guest2724 -> macros [19:10] Urchlay, I think we had mosaic back in my time [19:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] i just got my state tax refund [19:10] you lucky bastard :) [19:10] where the hell is my fed [19:10] Nick change: macros -> Guest63213 [19:10] _Floops (n=baihu@ipv6.floops.info) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Urchlay, lol [19:11] I had a 300 baud modem and dumb terminal software that supported XMODEM downloads [19:11] xyz modem transfers kickass [19:11] i use them for embedded crap [19:11] _Floops (n=baihu@ipv6.floops.info) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:11] and no multitasking, so it'd take an hour to download anything, during which time I had to read a book, or go play outside or something [19:11] redboot supports xyz transfers [19:11] lol [19:11] god we had nothing - we had mechanical, yes mechanical, calculating machines [19:12] dive: Difference engines? [19:12] :) [19:12] i remember one kid had a programmable calculator and that was like wow.. [19:12] dive, thats badass ^-^ [19:12] _Floops (n=baihu@got.me.a.sexywitch.info) joined ##slackware. [19:12] that was when watches had led displays [19:12] dive was weened on the antikythera mechanism [19:12] muahahha [19:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism [19:13] damn I wish I still had my old watch [19:13] lol [19:13] those watches were cool [19:13] be damned, slackware 12.2 still has x/y/zmoden [19:13] dive: if you still had your original LED watch it would be worth a pretty penny now [19:13] nullboy, I'm quite that old you tart [19:13] :> [19:13] lol [19:13] not*** [19:13] sx, rx, sz, rz, etc etc. [19:14] dammit why do I always miss out 'not' [19:14] yeah I would use it if I had it [19:15] got a mechanical, self-wind seiko not [19:15] now [19:15] when I started CS at university, we started with abacus (sp?) and mechanical calculators [19:15] in computer architecure [19:15] CS? [19:15] Nick change: _Floops -> Floops [19:15] when was it? [19:15] ah ok [19:15] comp sci [19:15] yeah [19:15] eh, 2 years ago [19:15] binary abacus I hope [19:16] but probably not [19:16] not because we only have those, but because to teach the concepts [19:16] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] we did that in maths at hs [19:16] slackytude, u still here =) ? [19:16] or junior maybe [19:16] slide rules, too [19:16] yeah [19:16] GunniH, no [19:17] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [19:17] slide rules are fun but a book of sins/cosines is more use [19:17] so well most know that ATI sux on *nix [19:17] i don't remember how to calculate on abacus, but when i was 9 in class 2, it was very easy :D [19:17] but [19:17] when I watch movies it's ok in small resolution but when I fullscreen it [19:17] it goes really bad (the pixels) [19:17] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:17] card and driver? [19:18] GunniH, that might be the movie [19:18] low resolution fullscreened will be pixelated [19:18] dive, [19:18] every movie [19:18] every show [19:18] worked like a charm on win [19:18] ah well ati then [19:18] slackytude, ATI Radeon X1400 (it's a mobility) on a laptop with the official ATI driver from ati.com [19:19] those mechanical calc devices were impressive [19:19] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:19] GunniH, got DRI ? [19:19] DRI? [19:19] slackytude, I can almost imagine a room full of accountants using them - the clank and wirr of cogs [19:20] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:20] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:20] dive, yeah, they were called computers back then. term used to describe humans [19:20] yeah, "one of our computers called in sick today" [19:20] lol [19:20] GunniH, dir= direct rendering [19:20] glxinfo | grep direct [19:20] to be honest [19:21] no idea [19:21] kk [19:21] Action: thrice` would use hte OSS driver for ati [19:21] Action: Necos does use the OSS driver [19:21] 3/4 line warning [19:21] [22:34:18] gunni@gbox ~ glxinfo | grep direct [19:21] direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) [19:21] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect [19:21] aha [19:21] you have no DRI [19:21] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] is this on 12.2 [19:22] ? [19:22] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [19:22] yap [19:22] I found a bug with dir on 12.2 xorg [19:22] (II) Loading extension DRI2 :D [19:22] so should I try adding LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose to make.conf or what? [19:23] Id try looking through xorg log first [19:23] make.conf eh?? [19:23] there's a file in the wrong place and you need to symlink it but I cannot recall where [19:23] try LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose startx maybe? [19:24] fscked if i can rememeber what I did [19:24] k wait gonna go off x [19:24] cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE [19:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:24] slackytude, grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ;p [19:24] or grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log for you pipe nazis out there [19:24] knew it [19:25] lol [19:25] cat nazi beware [19:25] make.conf? wtf? [19:25] ex gentoo user [19:25] sawrie [19:25] ubuntu stuff? [19:25] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] oh, gentoo :) [19:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:25] lol [19:26] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-210-219.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] imo gentoo=ubuntu - compiling [19:26] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [19:26] actually, you'd think the communities overlapped at times [19:27] k I did LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose startx [19:27] and still no DRI [19:27] eh [19:27] of course not [19:27] all you did was make the output for debugging contain more information [19:27] verbose = give more outout [19:27] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] my bad [19:27] =) [19:27] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [19:28] GunniH, 'ls -l /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so' [19:28] did you check them logs? [19:28] btw. slackytude [19:28] 5/6 line warning [19:28] [23:26:43] gunni@gbox ~ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:28] (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [19:28] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER [19:28] (EE) fglrx(0): [FB] Can not get FB MC address range. [19:28] Channel flood from GunniH -- kicking [19:28] (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized. [19:28] GunniH kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:28] dive, looks like radeon related, sure this is for fglrx as well [19:28] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] duh [19:28] k nvm [19:28] pastebin [19:28] lal [19:28] or 2 parts [19:28] [23:26:43] gunni@gbox ~ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:28] (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [19:28] Channel flood from GunniH -- kicking [19:28] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER [19:28] GunniH kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:29] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] k not 2 parts [19:29] hmm yeah I'm using xorg driver [19:29] ok, stop [19:29] dude jfhc [19:29] http://pastebin.com/d789f2a6b [19:29] zybr0n (n=Lisius@c-76-116-27-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] good evening folks [19:30] and dive, ls: cannot access /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so: No such file or directory [19:30] you do realize you're not using the xorg driver if it's saying fglrx [19:30] yeah but I think that is only for the standard xorg driver [19:30] atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized. [19:31] looks related [19:31] Id google for that [19:31] Action: slackytude is out of ideas [19:31] could switch drivers, of course [19:31] I'd just use the xorg driver :) [19:31] http://www.pastebin.ca/1393330 [19:32] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [19:32] isnt fglrx xorg driver and not one installed by ati? em, just checking :) [19:32] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:32] nah this is the one from ati.com [19:32] the driver by Xorg is radeon [19:32] and radeonhd [19:32] radeonhd, or ati [19:32] oh, ok [19:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:33] ati is for pre-radeon tho (and if he's using fglrx, he's got radeon or higher) [19:34] ok so I should get rid of fglrx and install the xorg one? [19:34] its worth a try [19:34] getting fglrx working is no fun [19:34] err I thought the xorg ati driver just chose which is the proper driver to run and then runs it? [19:34] no fun at all [19:34] it's a wrapper no? [19:35] GunniH, thre xorg driver should already be installed [19:35] just change /etc/X11/xorg.conf driver to radeon [19:35] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-171-169.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:35] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:36] but you might need a symlink for that files you listed earlier [19:36] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] 'ln -s /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/radeon_dri.so /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so' [19:37] k [19:37] gonna go off X and back on [19:37] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:37] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:37] and learn screen + irssi [19:37] doh [19:37] heh [19:38] lol [19:38] i'm out, time for linear algebra classs... [19:38] see ya folks tomorri [19:38] ha cya [19:39] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [19:39] and fail [19:39] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.33.33) joined ##slackware. [19:39] what fail? [19:39] Necos, see ya [19:40] dive gonna grab a piece of paper and write it down since I can't copy it or anything [19:40] wait [19:40] and learn screen + irssi [19:40] copy from log maybe? [19:41] I installed GSB on my Slackware install (12.2) and then i got VNCserver installed on the box as well. When i log in at the terminal everything loads fine with startx however when i call gnome-session from .vnc/xstartup and attempt to log in, i get a gnome-settings-daemon failure. [19:41] any ideas. [19:41] GSB? [19:41] Gnome Slackbuild [19:41] oi [19:42] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] cp ~/.xinitrc ./vnc/xstartup [19:43] nice, I just got a new mouse with 6 buttons, and all the buttons work just like I want them to out of the box, linux has come a long way [19:43] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [19:43] twolf, yeah [19:44] ooo what kinda mouse? [19:44] I got steelseries ikari optical, I really like it so far [19:44] would be ironic if it was a MS mouse [19:44] everytime i try to use a mouse with more than 2 buttons and a wheel i end up accidently clicking all the other buttons and doing stuff i dont want to do [19:45] i use an MS optical mouse hehe [19:45] agris no dice [19:45] 6 buttons on your mouse? How many fingers do you have, anyway? [19:45] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [19:45] 8 [19:45] the buttons on this mouse are situated so they are easy to use but not in the way [19:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:45] just need 2 hands on it though [19:45] zybr0n: worked for me :) [19:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:46] for some reason i really like the MS optical mouse in my hand, i wish i could find an unbranded one [19:46] I mostly got the mouse because it was comfortable with my hand [19:47] overvolt (n=overvolt@189-015-175-169.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:47] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] gunni (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [19:48] alright [19:48] so I'm on irssi atm. [19:48] http://pastebin.com/m6b6acada [19:48] is the error [19:48] did it with lynx don't know if I did it right or not [19:48] ;p [19:48] thats bad [19:49] ohmai [19:49] agris: any other ideas? [19:49] dive any cool tips? [19:49] gunni, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?# [19:49] baw I'll try [19:49] can I minimize irssi, without quitting it? [19:50] :$ [19:50] nope, switch terminals [19:50] use screen next time [19:50] gunni (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:50] alt + f2 or f3 [19:50] er just alt+ use a different vt [19:50] eh [19:51] here's a tip - elinks > lynx/links/* [19:51] links -g ^-^ [19:51] links -g is slow as hell [19:51] but it has its uses [19:51] yeah [19:51] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "incrível" [19:54] gunni (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] http://pastebin.com/m4f986815 [19:54] thats grep EE [19:54] gunni, alt + left/right will take you to another vt console [19:54] you need the whole thing? [19:55] gunni, yeah that's what I'd like [19:55] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [19:55] gunni, thats good [19:55] let me have a look [19:55] ooo [19:55] niz about alt + right [19:55] anyways since I can't drag over the log to copy it [19:55] gunni, no errors [19:55] that shows no problems [19:55] how the f*dge can I copy the whole log? [19:55] :D [19:56] with elinks you can open in vim [19:56] but anyway [19:56] you might want to try also 'grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log' [19:56] can't I like DCC it to you? [19:56] sure [19:56] http://pastebin.ca/upload.php [19:56] /dcc dive /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:57] Winter__ (n=Winter@98-125-102-183.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] pastebin with file upload [19:57] test34- (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:57] dive u got it? [19:57] nope [19:57] hang on [19:58] never got any notice that you are sending [19:58] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:58] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] gunni, do what slackytude said - http://pastebin.ca/upload.php [19:59] I'm on it [19:59] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:00] Today is Sweetmorn, the 33rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 [20:00] hmm always seems to be Sweetmorn [20:00] The Moon is Waning Gibbous (65% of Full) [20:00] http://pastebin.ca/1393352 [20:00] kk [20:01] shitloads of text tho [20:01] hrm [20:01] need DRI section, I think [20:01] ? [20:02] is there a /dev/dri/card0 = [20:02] is there a /dev/dri/card0 ? [20:02] gunni@gbox:~$ ls /dev/dri/card0 [20:02] /bin/ls: cannot access /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [20:02] btw. how do I close a "screen" ? [20:02] HeatHawk[AP3] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:03] just exit? [20:03] gunni, when you have exited all apps in it just exit/ctrl-d [20:03] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:03] ok, still there though [20:04] just logged off [20:04] anyways [20:04] HeatHawk[AP3] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:04] yes the problem looks like /dev/dri/card0 [20:04] fking windows... automaticaly restart in 5 min and no option to cancel it grrr... got to close virtualpc. so later. [20:04] agris (n=agris@85.254.249.5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] agris, run shutdown -a [20:05] baw [20:05] too late [20:05] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:05] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [20:05] gunni, try 'modprobe radeon' and then startx [20:05] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.231) joined ##slackware. [20:06] dmesg | grep drm [20:06] dive [20:06] awkward [20:06] -bash: modprobe: command not found [20:06] as root [20:06] but startx as user [20:07] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] wee [20:07] on gui now [20:07] wohoo [20:07] ok dunno why it didn't load radeon in X though [20:07] hrm [20:07] Action: nix_chix0r feeds dive alfredo baked pasta and porkchops [20:08] zomg [20:08] glxinfo | grep direct [20:08] pixels fixed :D [20:08] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-210-219.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:08] you might want to add '/sbin/modprobe radeon' in the corect /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [20:08] slackytude, [20:08] I still get [20:08] [00:06:43] gunni@gbox ~ glxinfo | grep direct [20:08] direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) [20:08] nix_chix0r, pork chops mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nomnom [20:08] GunniH, eh [20:08] and the OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect [20:08] didn't wanna get kicked [20:09] so I split it n 2 [20:09] cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE ? [20:09] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] GunniH, did that 'ln -s...' command I gave you work? [20:09] a while ago now [20:09] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] to what did you say something about sync together or sum [20:09] I got no errors so yeah [20:09] symlink! [20:09] thats the one [20:09] yeah symlink it [20:10] 'ln -s /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/radeon_dri.so /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so' [20:10] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:10] slackwiki seems down [20:10] in a bad way [20:10] http://slackwiki.org/Category:Tips [20:10] does it work or give an error? [20:10] file exists [20:10] and slackytude [20:11] gotta PM you the grep EE [20:11] 'ln -la /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so' [20:11] or pastebin [20:11] whatever [20:11] (EE) AIGLX error: Calling driver entry point failed(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering [20:11] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-135-56.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] what driver you on, now? [20:11] er yeah wtf [20:11] [00:10:42] gunni@gbox ~ ln -la /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so [20:11] ln: invalid option -- l [20:11] Try `ln --help' for more information. [20:12] slackytude, in the xorg.conf it's radeon [20:12] not fglrx [20:12] he meant ls [20:12] shit sry - 'ls -la...' [20:12] [00:10:42] gunni@gbox ~ ln -la /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so [20:12] ln: invalid option -- l [20:12] Try `ln --help' for more information. [20:12] Channel flood from GunniH -- kicking [20:12] baw [20:12] GunniH kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:12] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [20:12] lmao [20:12] wrong paste [20:12] lal [20:12] he [20:12] 'ls -la /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so' [20:12] ye [20:12] just copied the wrong thing [20:12] ;p [20:12] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2009-04-15 23:37 /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so -> /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/radeon_dri.so [20:13] ok thats good then [20:13] wait so if I quit X now [20:13] and try again [20:13] will I have to do modprobe [20:13] no wait [20:13] again? [20:13] not going [20:13] just asking [20:13] eh, why is it trying to load fglrx stuff [20:13] 'grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf [20:14] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:14] if theres more than one line then the one with no # at the start [20:14] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [20:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:15] http://pastebin.ca/1393360 [20:15] eh [20:15] vesa and radeon [20:15] ok; mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup [20:15] X -configure [20:15] mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf [20:16] it has vesa *and* radeon and tries to load AIGLX wtf? [20:16] thrice I gotta go off X to configure [20:16] brb on irssi [20:16] ;z [20:16] well he probably has two sections [20:17] would have probably been better to upload all xorg.cong [20:17] I suspect his xorg.conf is just f'd up [20:17] f [20:17] huh? [20:17] two sections is even worse [20:17] GunniH (n=GunniH@g.gunnih.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] you can have more than one device/monitor/screens you know [20:17] _guitarman_ (n=steve@s207-216-242-139.bc.hsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:18] if you have only one card, thats bad [20:18] that's not the case here ;) [20:18] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [20:18] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:18] gunni (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:18] good call on generating .conf tho, didnt see that [20:18] ok [20:18] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) joined ##slackware. [20:19] can't go X -configure :D [20:19] why not? [20:19] Fatal server error: [20:19] Caught signal 11. Server aborting [20:19] Fatal server error: [20:19] Channel flood from gunni_ -- kicking [20:19] Caught signal 11. Server aborting [20:19] gunni_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:19] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [20:19] ask a silly question... [20:19] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:19] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [20:20] gunni (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] my god thats annoying [20:20] you get kicked for 4 lines fast [20:20] Fatal server error: [20:20] Caught signal 11. Server aborting [20:20] ok [20:20] 2lines [20:20] rest I can't see [20:20] ;p [20:20] Winter__ (n=Winter@98-125-102-183.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:20] unless it's in a log [20:20] xorgsetup [20:21] agris (n=agris@195.13.163.133) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Winter__ (n=Winter@98-125-61-29.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] same [20:21] /usr/bin/xorgsetup: line 170: 6947 Aborted /usr/X11R6/bin/X -configure [20:22] got this error tho now [20:22] is this normally so idiotic [20:22] no [20:22] or is it just me being idiotic [20:22] ok; mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup did you do that? [20:22] yes [20:22] /bin/ls: cannot access /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory [20:23] usually it's a piece pf cake - it does most of the work for you [20:23] :) [20:23] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:23] agris: btw, next time [20:23] gunni, can you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup? [20:23] omfg this wind is brutal [20:23] non stop [20:23] windows - run - shutdown -a [20:23] ye sure [20:23] it's probably a constant 25 with gusts up to 30 or 40 [20:23] and pastebin the damn xorg.log too [20:24] this is madness! [20:24] gunni: there was some update and just one option - restart now or automaticaly in 5 min. restart later was disabled, so probably -a wouldn't work [20:25] usually does [20:25] crap forgot food getting cold [20:25] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:25] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:27] http://pastebin.ca/1393368 [20:28] any fukkups ? [20:29] two device sections [20:29] not sure how bad that is [20:29] ye well shouldn't affect me not being able to X -configure [20:29] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.31) joined ##slackware. [20:29] nothing in that log could [20:29] so what's blocking it? [20:29] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:29] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:30] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [20:30] not sure, where is the log file= [20:30] that was the .conf [20:30] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:31] bwa [20:31] baw* [20:31] ur talking to a rock here man [20:31] Im way to tired to notice [20:31] lol [20:31] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [20:32] guess I'm just screwed than [20:32] it was working tho [20:32] so what was the probz? [20:33] not sure. you could use that .conf without the first device section [20:33] see no reason why xorgsetup doesnt work [20:34] can't see why that wouldn't work although it could do with a lot of cleaning up imo [20:34] overvolt (n=overvolt@189-015-175-169.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "autch" [20:35] hmh [20:35] k [20:35] removed first section in the xorg file [20:35] going to try too boot [20:35] but it starts up but with no dri? correct? [20:35] ye [20:35] itw as [20:35] it used too [20:35] who knows whats it doing now [20:35] grep still says it has no DRI [20:35] but movies are fix'd :D [20:35] anyways trying to startx [20:36] gunni (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:36] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-135-56.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:36] oh well, I call it a day [20:36] going to sleep soon [20:36] gunni (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [20:36] ok back again [20:36] slackytude: its failing cuz of vesa [20:37] come again? [20:37] Data incomplete in file /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf Undefined Device "VESA Framebuffer" referenced by Screen "Screen 1". [20:37] gunni: what does 'ls /var/log/packages/xorg-server-*" say ? [20:38] /var/log/packages/xorg-server-1.4.2-i486-1 [20:38] /var/log/packages/xorg-server-xnest-1.4.2-i486-1 [20:38] /var/log/packages/xorg-server-xvfb-1.4.2-i486-1 [20:38] right, you got two screen sections as well [20:39] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:39] why didn't you use X -configure to generate the first xorg.conf ? [20:39] aesonn (n=aesonn@c-66-177-4-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] it crashed/segged or something [20:40] yes, because he ran them from xorg, I think [20:40] hm? [20:40] doh [20:41] thrice`, whot? [20:41] kk took out the whole vesa screen thingy slackytude [20:41] and startx works [20:41] I'm guessing the "X -configure" failed because he was running xorg while trying it [20:41] lol [20:41] no [20:42] should get different error then [20:42] well there's no X up [20:42] how can I "terminate" it? [20:42] /etc/init.d/xorg-server stop [20:42] ? [20:42] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.42) left irc: Connection timed out [20:42] so, what does work now? [20:42] is there an xorg-server file in /etc/init.d ? [20:42] yeah but I think I s till get the same error if I grep EE [20:42] nope [20:43] zackly [20:43] gunni, yeah but do the movies work [20:43] didn't check [20:43] Old_Fogie: so what should I do? [20:43] coz, then I will file that as "couldnt-replicate" and call it a day [20:43] slackytude: no [20:45] ok so I should just startx and stop worrying? [20:45] gunni, 'ps ax |grep X' , then kill the process number that correlates to the locked up X server running in the background. regarding starting Xorg later on, a nice way is 'telinit 3' (when the system is stable) [20:45] thats up to you [20:45] for me its time to sleep [20:45] well even if X works, you still want to get dri running [20:45] Im sure others will help tho [20:45] gnubien, s/regarding starting/regarding stopping [20:45] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-d5090dfb0eaeba88) left irc: "Leaving" [20:45] night slackytude [20:45] ^-^ [20:45] nn [20:46] good night slackytude. [20:46] ok thanks for everything slackytude [20:46] yeah, good night all [20:46] glow worm, glow worm, glow worm's your nite time friend! [20:46] gunni, see ya in 8 hrs or so, we can fxi DRI then ;) [20:46] lal [20:46] ait [20:46] later<3 [20:46] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [20:46] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76699.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "offski" [20:46] i would quit X completely, and then run X -configure [20:47] I did ps ax |grep X [20:47] how can I stop it completely? [20:47] killall X [20:48] [00:47:58] root@gbox ~ killall X [20:48] X: no process killed [20:48] are you on console right now? [20:48] ya [20:48] yup, or pkill X (can sometimes work), or brute whack it with kill -9 (whichever pid of /usr/bin/X is displayed0 [20:48] try X -configure as root now [20:48] just did [20:48] fails [20:49] O.o [20:49] atha_ (n=atha@189-46-227-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:49] does "pgrep X" return anything ? [20:49] nope [20:50] nothing [20:50] just tried startx [20:50] works [20:50] and movie pixles are fine [20:51] I've got 10mins to fix this [20:51] then I gotta go config wireless, and setup some "hibernation" mode [20:51] cuz I got school in couple of hours [20:51] does 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo' produce anything useful? [20:52] Error: unable to open display [20:52] from in X [20:52] startx and see what it gives me? [20:52] yes startx, then open a term and 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo' [20:52] or LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo startx [20:52] ait [20:53] brb then [20:53] MasterShrek (n=MasterSh@71-87-39-128.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [20:55] atha__ (n=atha@189.100.116.230) joined ##slackware. [20:55] k back [20:55] http://pastebin.com/d3054ebc4 [20:56] dive: still with me? [20:56] did you do a full install of slackware? [20:56] 'ln -s /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/r300_dri.so /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so' [20:56] thrice`: disk 1 and 2 [20:56] nothing more [20:56] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.31) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:57] after that; [20:57] quit x and startx and run glxinfo again [20:57] aesonn (n=aesonn@c-66-177-4-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:58] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [20:59] http://pastebin.com/d7e5b6225 [20:59] on x now btw. [20:59] you got some mismathes then [21:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [21:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.231) joined ##slackware. [21:00] what kind of mismatchse? [21:00] gunni_, your user in video group? did you add the Section "DRI" at end of /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? [21:00] run 'ldconfig' as root lately? [21:01] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [21:01] neither [21:01] well xorg is trying to use code that isn't in that driver [21:01] are you running 12.2? [21:01] jes [21:01] aesonn (n=aesonn@c-66-177-4-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] if you ain't in the video group, you can totally forget DRI [21:02] regardless of the whole lib thing going on there [21:02] aesonn (n=aesonn@c-66-177-4-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:02] what do you mean "video groupo" [21:02] my user is in the root group [21:02] yes gunni what does 'groups' output? [21:03] gunni_, you need this at tail end of /etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:03] gunni remove him from that group. How did you create your user? [21:03] http://pastebin.com/d4cd9d0de [21:03] pate the output of "id" [21:04] I created him via adduser [21:04] atha__ (n=atha@189.100.116.230) left irc: "leaving" [21:04] gunni, we need output of groups or id [21:05] atha__ (n=atha@189.100.116.230) joined ##slackware. [21:05] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:06] permeeshunz, we don't need no stinking permeeshunz, I can haz root ! [21:06] Nick change: atha__ -> athayde [21:06] no wait [21:06] it's not in root [21:06] it's in wheel [21:06] yoo cant haz root, i haz rootz [21:06] :D [21:06] gunni: are you in irssi ? [21:06] wheel andr oot [21:06] yes thrice` [21:07] run "/exec -o id" [21:07] in irssi [21:07] uid=1000(gunni) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom) [21:07] kk [21:08] atha_ (n=atha@189-46-227-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:08] I added the DRI thingys [21:08] gonna try and quitx and startx [21:08] brb [21:08] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:08] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] nah that's only for permissions [21:08] . [21:08] usermod -g users gunni (will make gunni in primary group users) ; chown gunni:users /home/gunni/ -R ; don't forget to add gunni to the other groups: audio, video,man,mail, lp,scanner,floppy,games,slocate,power,plugdev (<--some are optional but you get the idea) [21:09] I don't know gonna have one more beer and try sleep I think [21:09] dive: that sounds good. [21:09] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [21:09] bah he left [21:09] ok working [21:09] Action: BP{k} just opened the beer. [21:09] what [21:09] who left? [21:09] Action: Old_Fogie takes BP{k} beer and drinks it [21:09] BP{k}, hobgoblin [21:09] oh your back [21:09] ya [21:09] usermod -g users gunni (will make gunni in primary group users) ; chown gunni:users /home/gunni/ -R ; don't forget to add gunni to the other groups: audio, video,man,mail, lp,scanner,floppy,games,slocate,power,plugdev (<--some are optional but you get the idea) [21:09] dive: nice :) [21:09] gunni_, ^^ [21:10] BP{k}, special offer (for cans at least) in tesco [21:10] £1 a can [21:10] if you buy 8 [21:10] I got 1 left :( [21:10] ok done Old_Fogie [21:10] so now do [21:11] usermod -g video,power,plugdev,mail,audio,man [21:11] ? [21:11] baw [21:11] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.222.196) joined ##slackware. [21:11] now do "id gunni" or thrice`s fancy command there [21:11] gunni at the end [21:11] no usermod -g only does primary group. [21:11] ok [21:11] so [21:11] nano /etc/group [21:11] no [21:11] and put me at the end of everything? [21:11] a -G is for other groups, see man usermod [21:11] baw [21:12] I dont know your particular needs, that's why I didnt give you a full string [21:12] ait [21:12] but be sure to address your home, or you'll get issues, the chown... above I gave ya [21:12] dive: kethry has been instructed ;) [21:12] good stuff [21:12] ye I did Old_Fogie [21:12] does she deliver? [21:12] now [21:12] [01:12:05] root@gbox ~ id gunni [21:12] uid=1000(gunni) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),7(lp),12(mail),15(man),17(audio),18(video),20(games),21(slocate),83(plugdev),84(power),93(scanner) [21:12] this looks like this [21:13] dive: to me *yes*, to you: hell no :) [21:13] ha [21:13] gunni_, good! and you did the chown gunni:users /home/gunni/ -R (for your home right)? [21:13] dive: at the moment trying an ADNAMS east green, not overly impressed. [21:13] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] yes I did [21:13] BP{k}, dunno that one [21:13] [01:10:13] root@gbox ~ chown gunni:users /home/gunni/ -R [21:13] [01:10:28] root@gbox ~ id gunni [21:14] http://about.adnams.co.uk/post/News/2008/08/East-Green.aspx [21:14] gunni_, ok, you need to log in out for them groups to take effect [21:14] ait [21:14] brb [21:14] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:14] and that means.. [21:14] he's gone again [21:14] yap [21:14] but still here on console [21:14] ;p [21:14] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [21:15] shit, we're talking about beer and nullboy shows up. typical. [21:15] i just had a nice one [21:15] a porter style [21:15] hey! is that nullboy from noobfarm?!:) can I haz your autograph :) [21:15] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [21:15] and back on x [21:15] uid=1000(gunni) gid=100(users) groups=7(lp),11(floppy),12(mail),15(man),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),20(games),21(slocate),83(plugdev),84(power),93(scanner),100(users) [21:16] Old_Fogie: oh geez [21:16] gunni_, ok, and how's the /var/log/Xorg.O.log looking? [21:16] nullboy, yea that line at noobfarm, taht crax me up :) [21:16] grep EE ? [21:16] lol [21:16] well you getting DRI now? 'glxinfo |grep ren' [21:16] nullboy, :) [21:17] [01:15:38] gunni@gbox ~ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [21:17] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER [21:17] on to glxinfo |grep ren now ;p [21:17] just wanted to post that [21:17] BP{k}: are you saying nullboy is the guy who shows up at you house when all you have left is a six pack am no one has beer money?. [21:17] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] XGizzmo_, hahah [21:17] [01:16:31] gunni@gbox ~ glxinfo |grep ren [21:17] direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) [21:17] an 3 more lines [21:17] greetings and salutations [21:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:17] XGizzmo_: got any beer? [21:17] XGizzmo_: that and the dude can smell a beer conversastion miles away! [21:17] evenin andarius [21:17] wotcha andarius :) [21:18] salutations dive [21:18] gunni_, you add them things I pastebin for you yet in xorg.conf ? [21:18] wotcha BP{k} :) [21:18] yap [21:18] nullboy, there's no beer left [21:18] damn /me parts [21:18] gunni_, can you pastebin the xorg.conf again? [21:18] no beer? booo!!! [21:18] yeah np [21:19] gunni_, was this a clean install or did you do some sort of update? [21:19] http://pastebin.ca/1393405 [21:19] dive: clean [21:19] he has gnome, right? [21:20] no [21:20] Xfce [21:20] if your talkinga bout me [21:20] ;p [21:20] hey you used ati binary blobs on this sumbitch didnt you gunni_ ? [21:20] jay_ (n=jay@adsl-71-153-134-225.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] indeed he did [21:20] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.161.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] :$ [21:20] might need reinstall xorg? [21:20] yeah [21:21] yea it fuxors mesa, I can tell by just looking at that bastardization of xorg.conf [21:21] reinstall the mesa [21:21] they mess with /usr/lib/libGL..... [21:21] ok [21:21] upgradepkg --reinstall mesa-.... [21:21] removepkg mesa will work? [21:21] kk [21:21] when your in same dir as mesa*tgz on the install cd [21:21] yea ATI will bork a box real fast [21:22] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [21:22] gunni_, did you remove ati first tho, the /usr/share/ati/fglrx_uninstall (or something like that yet?) [21:22] haven't done that no [21:22] should I do that first? [21:23] otherwise, you'll have they diversion of libGL and reinstall mesa will have no effect [21:23] baw [21:23] k [21:23] yea man, you cant just switch in xorg Driver "fglrx" to Driver "radeon" and move on. you gotta yank their drivers, run ldconfig, reinstall mesa.. [21:24] pft [21:24] ;p [21:24] becuase their undo for the libGL diversion doesnt always seem to work right [21:24] g, it's a lot easier with nvidia :D [21:24] yes [21:24] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] agris, agreed, but this scripts for ATI binary is due to bad package maintainers that have never reached out to anyone in Slack dev that I'm aware of. [21:24] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:25] must be same smacked as who maintains the slackware scripts official for openorifice [21:26] Old_Fogie: can I PM for 2secs? [21:26] i really cant bounce multi screens do here :) [21:26] got too much going on [21:26] ait [21:26] Old_Fogie: well stop cybering straterra. [21:27] anyway I really just gotta talk to you guys tomorrow [21:27] school in 3hrs [21:28] gotta config wireless, get some "hibernation" thingy and sleep [21:28] ;s [21:28] lol openorifice [21:28] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [21:28] goodbye everybody [21:28] well we got 1/2 way there [21:28] night [21:28] cya [21:28] antler, :) [21:28] Old_Fogie, thrice` and dive thanks for all your help [21:28] I appriciate it [21:29] I'll be back tomorrow to nag some more [21:29] your welcome [21:29] =) [21:29] yep [21:29] BP{k}, hahaha [21:29] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:30] XGizzmo_, go to any teaparties today? [21:32] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:32] lemon tea? [21:32] teabaggin'? [21:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:33] no, no :) [21:33] lemonteabaggin [21:33] dios_mio (i=fake@88.241.141.203) joined ##slackware. [21:33] Old_Fogie: nope, worked 12 hours [21:33] Action: antler hits dive over the head with a copy of Leviathan [21:34] yea, me either, but drove by one, wish I had the time today, really [21:34] porchang [21:34] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.21) joined ##slackware. [21:34] about 3000 people were at the one in Knoxville. [21:34] woh really? [21:34] hello linux buddies [21:34] XGizzmo_, the alabama one is huge [21:35] Hi girls and boys [21:35] you mean boys and FBI agents [21:35] hi dios_mio superGear [21:36] You forgot Chris Hansen too. [21:36] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) joined ##slackware. [21:37] prodigy (i=1000@pool-173-57-58-121.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [21:40] I got prodigy's 2009 album.. it is superb [21:40] got = downloaded from torrentz :P [21:40] are they still going? [21:40] hello peeps, can anyone recommend me a reliable, fast, and cheap webhosting company; preferrably linux-based with ssh access (so I can ditch ftp) and in the price range of $8 or lower? [21:40] ... [21:40] yes :) [21:40] dios_mio: why would you come in here and brag about stealing music? [21:40] you do know that is illegal and violates freenode TOS? [21:41] he does now [21:41] dios_mio (i=fake@88.241.141.203) left ##slackware. [21:41] thank god. [21:41] lol [21:41] i=fake@ [21:41] your welcome [21:42] lol andarius [21:44] hba (n=hba@189.188.155.143) joined ##slackware. [21:44] andarius isn't god [21:44] nullboy is [21:44] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:44] negative. otherwise he would have "thank myself" :P [21:45] so slackboy got replaced by nullboy ? damn, I must have missed a lot of stuff in here :) [21:45] SM177Y (i=SM177Y__@204.38.197.11) joined ##slackware. [21:45] yeah now we get to beat up nullboy [21:45] i bite back [21:45] SM177Y (i=SM177Y__@204.38.197.11) left irc: Client Quit [21:46] is it me or slackpkg is more slowly with each slackware release? :) [21:46] Action: dive finds the frozen eel cannon [21:46] slackpkg works fine [21:46] bite this [21:46] heavy artillery :) [21:46] hba: it is you [21:47] gunni (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:47] so again back to my question, that damn dios_mio guy came into the room at the wrong time. anyone have any recommendations on webhosting companies i could look at? again should be linux-based, should come with ssh access and be cheaper than 8 bucks / month [21:47] probably down to the number of extra packages it has to check [21:47] superGear: mmmh, not sure... [21:48] prodigy: try google [21:48] slackpkg is slowly with "upgrade-all"... [21:48] hba, more packages = more time to check them, sort out lists etc [21:48] Action: andarius has noticed no slow down [21:49] dive: yeah, sure.. but im not seeing more packages that before in my system.. [21:49] dunno then [21:49] hahah :) , nice message: basename: extra operand `.tbz' \n Try `basename --help' for more information. [21:50] hba: known bug. [21:51] should be harmless though, unless you've got some off the wall stuff in $CWD [21:51] prodigy: do you mean managed hosting or a VPS? [21:52] .tbz are FreeBSD packages [21:52] slackware's are .tgz [21:52] tbz can be anything....tar.bz2 [21:52] They can be Slackware packages too now, as of -current tree. [21:52] it's just a file extension [21:52] rworkman: ah ok, thanks for the info :) [21:53] ya, but will slackware's package management system handle a .tbz package [21:53] nullboy: shared hosting or managed hosting is fine..and no..no vps, for that i would have used..uhm..what's it called again? i know a lot of slackers use that company for vps [21:53] linode [21:53] Pig_Pen: check out pkgtools in -current :) [21:53] slicehost [21:53] stillbor2 (n=stillbor@YKMMDXLIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:53] hmm, goes to my favorite slackware mirror [21:53] gunni_ (n=gunni@g.gunnih.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:54] nullboy: ah yes, that's the one :) [21:54] yeah, so since 13.0 you can say slackware is a cross-platform linux system :) [21:54] current isn't 13 [21:54] it's 12.34567890 [21:54] :O [21:54] you think i joke [21:55] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/slackware-current-inst1.png [21:55] nullboy: sooooo???? [21:55] lol [21:55] sooooo it's not 13 [21:55] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:56] nullboy: yeah, i know... and sorry, can you indicate when i said '-current is 13.0'? [21:56] psychild (n=psychild@189.174.129.24) joined ##slackware. [21:57] Jean (n=jean@93-36-224-144.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] (2009-04-15 18:55:20) hba: yeah, so since 13.0 you can say slackware is a cross-platform linux system :) [21:57] there is not 13, yet [21:57] so it can't since 13 since 13 is not there [21:58] stop repeating [21:58] you are making me dizzy [21:58] maybe 13 ought to be called XIII [21:58] might as well do a current update [21:58] all number is same fear [21:58] Urchlay, yes that will stop the bad luck [21:59] i hope the next one really ends up being 12.34567890 [21:59] bad luck? No, I just thought it looked cool [21:59] in theory [21:59] slack in romam numerals would look good though [21:59] othermindszine (n=othermin@176.sub-75-216-50.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:59] triskaidekaphobia <-- cool [21:59] installpkg installs single or multiple *.tgz (or .tbz, .tlz, .txz) are these other file formats new? [21:59] echo "slackware XII > /etc/slackware-version' [22:00] .txz I can't guess [22:00] new to slackware's pkgtool scheme [22:00] is there any proposal of reducing sizes from *.tgz to *.txz? [22:00] .tlz has to be tar with lzw [22:00] doing a upgrade now [22:00] the latest kernels support more compression types in the initrd and kernel images now [22:00] txz is the packages used in texas :D [22:00] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [22:00] texaz, hahaha [22:01] 'grep tbz /sbin/*' dont show anything [22:01] i think that's probably why we start to see more supported compression formats with the base tools [22:01] LifeForce4 (n=LifeForc@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [22:01] tbz == .tar.bz2 I assume [22:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] I would think so [22:01] remember, *.txz is *.tar.xz, not *.txt.gz, avoid this confusion [22:01] but I never heard of .xz either... [22:02] gzipped txt? [22:02] xz is the name of the new lzma-algorithm-using compressor [22:02] prodigy (i=1000@pool-173-57-58-121.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] it includes a shared library, whereas 'lzma' was more limited [22:02] athayde (n=atha@189.100.116.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] xz is one of the latest opensource technologies of this XXI century. [22:03] hmm [22:03] Hence, .txz=.tar.xz and is the same as .tlz=.tar.lzma [22:03] what, no .rar or .7z? [22:03] Action: Urchlay *ducks* [22:03] Urchlay: 7zip IS lzma [22:03] well, not, but same algorithm [22:04] Action: Urchlay hates rar and 7zip anyway [22:05] Whats the command to show where symlinks point? [22:05] ls -l [22:05] i dont care as long as they unpack [22:05] lzma -9 uses 311 MB for compression and 33 MB for decompresion. [22:05] that's an ouch [22:05] xz is some more improved than lzma [22:05] For packages, compression time is completely irrelevant. What matters is decompression time and size. [22:06] xz produces significantly smaller files (10-20% often) and decompresses not too much more slowly than gzip. [22:06] xz? [22:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] what? another kernel in -current? [22:07] I can't keep up with this [22:07] eXtra lZma? heh [22:07] dive, just dont use current :) [22:07] dive: from the looks of things, it is more or less like the old one [22:07] rworkman, xz compresses better for many text files than gz does. [22:07] my 12.2 lappy is borked and this backup has current on it [22:08] jay_ (n=jay@adsl-71-153-134-225.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:08] maxote: I know. 02:06 < rworkman> xz produces significantly smaller files (10-20% often) and decompresses not too much more slowly than gzip. [22:08] jay_ (n=jay@adsl-70-234-160-150.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] LifeForce most file managers will show where symlinks point to just by doing a "mouse over" in the tool tip [22:08] i use the option -9 by default [22:09] Action: rworkman hands maxote a cookie. [22:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [22:09] Pig_Pen: I'm just as the CLI [22:10] mc will do it, highlight the symlink [22:10] s/as/at; [22:10] ok have to start mc up [22:10] then read down towards the bottom [22:10] never used it before :) time to learn it I guess haha [22:10] LifeForce4, what is wrong with 'ls -l' like I already told you? [22:10] dive: It was not displaying where it was linked to just that it was a link [22:11] o0 [22:11] I already did ls -lHa [22:11] readlink(1) [22:12] -lHa doesn't work [22:13] just do ls -l [22:13] find . -type l -ls [22:13] or ls -la [22:13] with lots of files do ls -l | less [22:13] or ls -l s* :) [22:13] What's wrong with readlink(1) ? [22:13] alright got it thanks :) [22:14] athayde (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [22:14] or readlink somefile [22:14] That does *exactly* what was asked, and nothing else :) [22:14] this is true [22:14] so is there any chance to see .txz files in the slackware tree soon? [22:15] sounds like something for the not so close future [22:15] I only know of one .txz package currently in existence. [22:16] i'm doing one test [22:17] [22:17] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [22:17] antler: speak up! [22:17] antler, speaks in asci 32 today [22:18] antler, nbsp;nbsp; [22:19] ah hahah my kid loves the keyboard [22:19] dammit I didn't blacklist mutt or irssi.. [22:19] i stepped away momentarily [22:19] sure [22:19] heh [22:19] well I gues that's a better reply that 'ooops wrong window' [22:20] \0\0\0 [22:21] sleepytime [22:21] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:21] Urchlay, syncronised swimming? [22:21] yeah, and if one of them drowns, they all have to [22:22] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] oh, i thought they were H's youth [22:23] \0 == the C escape sequence for a null character, silly [22:24] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:24] I prefer synchronised swimming [22:24] I love how people copy the man pages to websites and just make the format a little nicer haha. [22:25] LifeForce4: you, too, can do that if you install man2html :) [22:25] i too prefer synchronizzzed swimming [22:25] :P [22:25] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.20) joined ##slackware. [22:26] Urchlay: I'm just realised after reading a website when I did man 7 symlink lol it was the same info. [22:26] Urchlay: It's already in slack, iirc [22:26] s/I'm/I; [22:27] NaCl: so it is [22:27] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "better reboot this idiot box and see what fails" [22:27] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:28] actually if you're stuck on some system without man pages, typing "man whatever" directly into google's search box makes a decent substitute [22:28] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:29] hba (n=hba@189.188.155.143) left irc: "leaving" [22:30] Action: LifeForce4 is confused about this linking... I just installed seamonkey 1.1.16 then changed the link in /usr/lib/seamonkey->16 still starts version 13 though. [22:30] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:30] ho hum [22:31] LifeForce4, sounds like you have both versions installed. ls /var/log/packages |grep monkey (<--- what's that say?) [22:31] does anyone uses a bt8x8 card plus a via northbridge or soutbridge? [22:32] only shows 13... I did not install it by a package. [22:32] downloaded the tar.gz file [22:32] LifeForce4: did you install it in /usr/local? probably /usr/bin is in your PATH before /usr/local/bin [22:33] LifeForce4, why not just run the official package issued by Slackware itself? [22:33] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-31-98-34.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:33] official package for seamonkey 1.1.16? [22:34] see I never got in to the packages. It's always been manual for me. [22:34] LifeForce4, yes in /patches/packages ; and things like seamonkey, and other things that may need nss need a *properly* installed seamonkey. hacking your own is highly discouraged. [22:35] Humm interesting alright and the stupid thing installed at /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16 [22:35] lol great [22:35] Nick change: athayde -> atha [22:36] LifeForce4, well suscribe to the slackware sec mailing list. that's a supported package. get rid of the one you manually did, and upgradepkg the new one from Slackware itself. then use that command I gave you and confirm that it's in correctly. [22:36] Alright will do that now :) [22:36] thanks Old_Fogie [22:37] LifeForce4, your welcome. [22:37] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: "leaving" [22:37] Winter__ (n=Winter@98-125-61-29.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:38] i would use seamonkey if it were more aesthetically pleasing; that is, if more up-to-date themes were available. seamonkey's fast [22:39] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:41] with gzip -9 & lzma -9 i got .tar 214'353'920 bytes, .tgz 57'098'798 bytes, .tlz 32'896'909 bytes. [22:41] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [22:41] of VirtualBox-2.2.0-OSE [22:42] seamonkey is fast? maybe I ought to be using it instead of ff [22:42] I used to like galeon [22:42] hi everybody ! [22:43] hi [22:43] Urchlay: you'll really like seamonkey, i think :) [22:43] i would like to know why when i do cat << eof > file and .... [22:43] > $mysql_host = 'localhost'; [22:43] i just have = 'localhost' into the file [22:43] weird [22:44] i've done >eof of course :-) [22:44] time ( {gzip,lzma} -cd VirtualBox-2.2.0-OSE.{tgz,tlz} > /dev/null) -> .tgz real 6.5s , .tlz real 15s. [22:44] superGear (n=superGea@8.7.69.39) joined ##slackware. [22:45] hba (n=hba@189.188.155.143) joined ##slackware. [22:45] it seems that the $ character is interpreted otherwise [22:45] paissad, this is in a script right? can you pastebin it if it is please [22:45] dive, it's not a script, i use the shell, i did cat << eof > file.sql to edit a sql file [22:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-185-127.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [22:46] maybe i should user \ before the $ character [22:46] maybe [22:47] yes, it works if i use \ [22:47] yeah I think the shell will try to evaluate $anything unless you escape it [22:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-185-127.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:49] antler: I thought seamonkey was the rename of the old mozilla suite that got so bloated? [22:49] or I should say 'substitute' [22:49] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [22:49] hello everyone [22:49] Hello [22:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:49] paissad: cat <<'eof' whatever eof [22:50] Urchlay: It is. Seamonkey is really nice though imho. [22:50] yeah i prefer seamonkey [22:50] yes seamonkey is the old bloated mozilla suite [22:50] opera yeahh [22:50] I use opera for browser, email, etc. I've just tried FF, Seamonkey, etc. in the past. [22:50] so they invented firefox as a lean, mean, stripped-down browser for people who thought the suite was too big... and now firefox has grown so bloated that the original counts as lean & mean? [22:51] yeah [22:51] pretty much [22:51] hahah [22:51] Urchlay: yeah [22:51] ff and sea monkey are equally fast on my 850 p3 [22:51] you can tell by the seconds what programs are faster than others [22:52] sea monkey is not as instable as firefox [22:52] I don't see the point of using a suite when I just want a browser [22:52] from a cold start here, I say FF on my 866 is about 15 seconds, seamonkey about 8 to launch. relaunch they're almost the same I find. [22:52] dive then just install the browser [22:52] huh? [22:52] Apache libs slow you [22:53] you can install sea monkey the browser, rather than the suite [22:53] Old_Fogie: For me, seamonkey loads faster from cold start. [22:53] I see [22:53] seamonkey's back button is fast [22:53] I use Opera, Seamonkey, FF on Linux and Windows I have G Chrome, FF, Opera, Safari [22:53] sea monkey and ff are the same for me, but seamonkey is far more stable [22:53] firebird619, yes from cold seamonkey is faster for me too [22:53] but the stock package has it all [22:53] i use all 3 on my nix machine LifeForce4 [22:53] time to remove firefox? [22:53] I'm interested in rendering speeds [22:54] dive, build from source [22:54] Old_Fogie: FF may be a bit faster with a new, fresh profile, but I don't use it anyway, so no reason doing that. [22:54] If I'm not mistaken, seamonkey is based on the code that was in FF 1.5 ? or is 2.0 series. Not the 3 series stuff [22:54] I find FF is slow [22:54] an rendering [22:54] startup speed is only important if it crashes a lot [22:54] dive, same here, opera or epiphany here [22:54] opera ftw. [22:54] I leave ff2 running for weeks at a time, no problems [22:54] opera had too many annoying bugs for my liking [22:54] Old_Fogie: IIRC epiphany often the same rendering engine as FF [22:54] dillo, dillo, dillo [22:54] yeah opera is lightening, no comparison ...hands down fastest. but it screws around with file extensions like .tar.gz.asc <--it doesn't like that [22:55] Opera 10 is even faster than opera 9 and 10 is still only alpha and snapshots. [22:55] I find that with FF, the longer i leave it open the slower it becomes. [22:55] dillo wasn't functional enough even for my spartan tastes, last time I tried it [22:55] NaCl, yes eppiphany is FF3 code base --- done right ! 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[22:55] for me, looks are important as well as functionality. hence ff3 [22:55] one thing I've never been able to figure out about ff [22:56] problem is though that I have a hellavalot of form info - passwords etc [22:56] in FF [22:56] NaCl, in kde3 konqueror renders pages so slow it's not even on my radar, could be my setup, but I've yet to see konqureor render even as fast as FF does [22:56] firebird619, ah nice :) [22:56] humm I did not know slackware had something like apt-get [22:56] Old_Fogie: Konqueror renders the page only when it is finished downloading, unlike with firefox [22:56] NaCl, yea that's a pita in my book [22:56] unknown extensions like foo.SlackBuild or foo.info, if the server doesn't tell it they're text/plain, then the browser offers me "open with" or "save". Where is the "display as a text file" option? [22:57] enable optimizations with GCC-4.4 snapshot for enable SSEx and Graphite for FF3 [22:57] Nick change: well -> well_fn [22:57] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] Urchlay: I get two different experiences. On slackbuilds, if i click on a foo.SlackBuild it opens in the browser. If i do it on Slamd64Builds, it prompts me like what you just said. [22:58] RaeGrepus (n=superGea@8.7.69.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] Action: NaCl is waiting for Chromium [22:58] Urchlay, you need to address your mime info, either an extension add on, or adding gnome-vfs, or editing the /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap..and a host of other files/options (we can thank freedesktop.org for that bad specificiation). but it's definitely "mime info" stuff you need to address. Stock Slackware does nothing for mime info for Firefox at all. [22:58] And i'm on ff3. [22:58] (e.g. if I click on a .SlackBuild file from builds.slamd64.com, it does that.... whereas .SlackBuild on slackbuilds.org displays fine. It's becase SBo is reporting text/plain as the MIME type) [22:58] Urchlay: heh, we just said the same thing. [22:58] Old_Fogie: so it'll override the received MIME type header, based on the filename? [22:58] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:59] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:00] how hard would it have been for the FF devs to add another option to the open-with/save-as dialog, that says "pretend this is a text file and display it as-is"? [23:00] Urchlay, I dont know the full nuts and bolts of the workings of it, but I can tell you, that for me, having built gnome-vfs here right, all them issues you have are completely gone. There are some addon extensions that do it too, without the gnome builds, SBo has a script for a mime editor too, and firefox extensions site has stuff too [23:00] Urchlay, but again, stock slackware does nothing (like other distros such as debian) to address the lack of mime integration with firefox [23:01] Urchlay, slackware only updates /usr/share/mime [23:01] Old_Fogie: you build gnome-vfs, then rebuilt ff to use it? [23:01] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [23:01] Urchlay, other distro's make a global file, that firefox looks at first [23:01] Old_Fogie: What MIME editor? [23:02] hba (n=hba@189.188.155.143) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] Urchlay, the official binaries issued by slackware are built by FF team, and it is built already calling for gnome-vfs, but Slackware decides not to ship gnomevfs (for obvious reasons). SO it you added gnome-vfs and it's libs from gware, you'll have full working firefox for mime stuff. [23:02] ah, OK, cool [23:02] rebuilding firefox doesn't really appeal to me... [23:02] I may do it and post a package somewhere. [23:03] Urchlay, and thunar file manager, is *awesome* then ..right clickc a file, and set which app to open each default file type with (since thunar is gtk) it edits the stuff that gnome-vfs looks at..e.g. firefox [23:03] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:04] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Personally, I recommed install gnome-vfs (and it's few libs) ; use stock slackware ff3 ; use stock slackware thunar to set your default open with programs. you'll be set. [23:04] Old_Fogie, gonna make a SB? [23:04] well_fn (i=1000@58.31.123.57) left irc: "Leaving" [23:05] or use the sbo for http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/mozplugger/ [23:05] so FF is set to open everything with thunar, and thunar decides what to do with it? [23:05] in lieu of gnome-vfs [23:05] "allows you to integrate external applications to view files that Mozilla [23:05] can't handle itself." [23:05] I think Konqueror can do something like that too. [23:05] Urchlay, no thunar file manager, tweaks a file in your ~ that gtk apps look to for knowing what your preferred app is to use for a given file type [23:05] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] NaCl, it can , but it sets *kde's* mime, it does not set gtk apps defaults. [23:06] but but but. What I actually *want* is, to have Mozilla view files that I know it can handle itself, even though it doesn't know that [23:06] Urchlay, it doesnt know what apps to use , how can it [23:06] even opera ships a mime file [23:06] Can you tell it to use itself? [23:06] FF devs are just lazy [23:06] I don't want it to use an app, I want to tell it "yes, gods dammit, *this is really a text file*, now show it in a tab!" [23:06] NaCl, no you cant, becuase FF will not store the settings anymore, [23:06] NaCl, it used to, but they stopped that feature [23:07] ...that's awfully lazy of them... [23:07] NaCl, it used to be part of prefs.js or something [23:07] NaCl, well ff is for windows users, not linux users, just look at how bad it runs on linux v windows :) [23:08] Action: NaCl still waits for chromium [23:08] Apache libs and JavaScript engine slow you [23:08] NaCl, what the game? [23:09] Netscape 3 and 4 were perfectly capable of displaying even a tar.gz file as text (not that it was useful) [23:09] It's a "defeatured" google chrome. [23:09] Urchlay, you're preaching to the choir here :) I despise FF3 mime handling, I battled it for 2 years til' I realized that to simplify it, was building gnome-vfs and then boom done. [23:10] well, ff2 was bad too, but not "as" bad [23:10] 3 got worse [23:10] this is FF2 I'm talking about, even [23:10] ah, here: http://www.spasche.net/openinbrowser/ [23:10] opera is sweet, only thing it messes up is .tar.gz.asc and tar.gz.sign [23:10] it doesn't seem to like 3 extensions [23:11] but, they even see all my gnome apps, and kde apps, and offer them all in the list of things to use for a given type of file, and remember it for later on too. [23:11] JavaScript should recompile only in the 10-th attempt, not before. [23:12] *bam*, that OpenInBrowser extension does *exactly* what I wanted! [23:13] adds a 3rd option to the "open with or save as" dialog, lets me view it as text (or html/image/whatever) [23:13] Urchlay, but the next ff3 , the 3.5 wow that is much better, that's what 3 should've been, still slower than 2 series, but not by much [23:13] makes 3 look like a squeeling pig [23:13] 3 is slower than 2? I've never run them on the same hardware [23:13] yup [23:13] (3 is slower for me because I run it on a slow laptop without much RAM) [23:14] see, and someone in this very IRC channel, months ago, told me "upgrade to FF3, it's faster" [23:14] replace JavaScript with Erlang [23:14] Urchlay, you can reduce the ram if you turn off the anti-phishing , but that's more insecure to do, but then again, it's not even in 2 anyhow, or in seamonkey yet either [23:14] What do any of you use for web page development? [23:14] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:14] Urchlay, but 2 is no longer supported iirc [23:14] maxote: you going to personally fly around the country and teach all the javascript caveman programmers how to code erlang? [23:14] Urchlay, you should think about moving to something else [23:14] 2 doesnt get sec fixes anymore [23:14] this 92GB rsync over gigabit is taking some time [23:15] Shingoshi: vim and as many browsers as I can test. [23:15] maxote: (though you're right, I don't know Erlang, but almost anything's better than JS) [23:15] Old_Fogie: well, I have never ever typed any credit card numbers into this computer (in any app), and I don't run the browser as root [23:15] the core of JS should approximate to Erlang's [23:15] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-228-97.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:15] LifeForce4: I meant for creating the pages themselves. [23:16] I know [23:16] so not so worried about security [23:16] Thats why I said VIM [23:16] You use vim for that? [23:16] Shingoshi: I use vim for that [23:16] Its just plan X/HTML and CSS or even Java/Perl its all text based. [23:16] What's the interface like. I have never successfully used it. [23:17] more realistically, I use vim to add PHP/JS/etc code to some HTML file that came from a designer who uses gods-know-what to write the HTML... but it's well-formatted and easy to edit [23:17] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-112-78.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:17] what about the possibility of AOT in JS? (many classes of their libs are not code-cached, FF3 wastes much time interpreting and recompiling bytecodes) [23:17] Urchlay: You're saying the HTML was formated nicely? [23:18] LifeForce4: it was. This guy might be using dreamweaver or something to do the templates, but the result is human-readable and -editable [23:18] I have yet to find a WYSIWYG that makes the source easy to read. Thats crazy :) [23:19] well maybe he's not using a WYSIWYG, I really never asked, and there's no "created by $whatever" meta tags or anything. Maybe he's using notepad (or whatever mac users like) [23:20] Maybe :) [23:20] man Majordomo is having major problems with my emails lol [23:20] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [23:20] maxote: you mean like those pages that include a meg of jquery library, just for 3 lines of script that call one or two of the functions? [23:20] stillborn (n=stillbor@88.193.113.46) joined ##slackware. [23:21] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:21] I'm going to get booed at for this, but if there were a Java class library for the DOM, that let you do in Java bytecode the stuff you normally do in JS, that would solve a lot of the crappiness [23:22] client-side Java, unless things have changed in the past couple years, can't do anything outside of its applet area [23:22] ISS java ;) [23:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [23:23] lol darn it s/ISS/IIS; [23:23] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:23] IIS, the web server? am talking about client-side [23:24] a persistent JVM that has the same "privileged" access to the innards of the browser that JS had [23:24] has [23:24] Urchlay, no, i'm saying the js code that is used by FF internally should be AOTed [23:25] only it wouldn't have to reparse/reinterpret the code every time the page loads [23:25] eh, what does AOT mean in that context? [23:25] perfect! [23:25] Ahead-Of-Time [23:25] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [23:25] ah, OK [23:26] it'd be Java, so cross-platform (at least as much so as javascript is), and it'd suffer the same restrictions JS does (can't write to the local filesystem, etc) [23:26] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: ":wq" [23:26] write it to .mozilla/ [23:27] surprised Sun didn't push for something like this, back in the day [23:27] write it to ~/.mozilla/ [23:27] what, the cached code? yes. [23:27] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-14-135-46.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] but the code, while running, wouldn't be able to write directly (indirectly, yes, by doing things like adding a bookmark, which eventually ends up in a file on disk) [23:28] only the cached Mozilla's code, not the internet pirates's code [23:30] http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/09/programming_atm.html [23:31] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.252.135.128) joined ##slackware. [23:34] sidmario (n=sidmario@189-18-234-72.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] Nick change: jay_ -> jdetring [23:35] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:35] morning, slackers [23:36] good morning john_dee. How are you? [23:36] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-185-127.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [23:36] maxote: well, might as well cache the evil code from the internet, it won't be any more evil than JS [23:36] firebird619, not complaining :) you? [23:37] doing great. Thank you. [23:37] nullboy: nice! [23:38] What can I use to play last.fm radio stations? [23:39] Urchlay, i wanna evil code to exploit the disk space of generated code within FF [23:40] the internet code won't be cached [23:40] even if it's not cached, it could be compiled bytecode instead of source [23:41] (and the file full of bytecode would be subject to the same caching rules as any other file from the web) [23:41] many different evil code hourly, many compiled bytecode to be cached, it's not a good idea. [23:41] joeyt (n=joeyt@gware/developer/joeyt) joined ##slackware. [23:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:42] it's no worse than the current situation, as far as evilness goes [23:42] pirates would be trashing a lot of compiled code [23:42] your browser already caches JS source code [23:43] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] (granted, it's easier to audit JS source code than compiled Java classes) [23:43] compiled Java classes should be rejected [23:44] source JS code should be audited [23:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:44] does slackware block gmail accounts? [23:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:44] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:44] and flash .swf classes should be rejected [23:44] LifeForce4: It shouldn't [23:45] maxote: sure, but how often do you bother, even though you know how? [23:45] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:45] unafortunately, i don't know this situation [23:46] and I hate flash as much as anybody, but currently there are too many useful/fun apps out there using it (youtube!) to just say "never ever run flash" [23:46] LifeForce4: what exactly do you mean? [23:46] NaCl: I cant seem to subscribe to the lists. [23:46] source flashscript should be audited [23:46] i use gmail, i can subscribe [23:47] maxote: "auditing" is a thing done by a human, you know [23:47] LifeForce4: check your spam folder [23:47] I keep getting an auto reply saying I'm possible spam [23:47] a computer might be able to detect simple evilness, but there's that whole "halting problem" thing [23:48] Oh, that. How I hate it so. :P [23:48] NaCl: No it's replying saying my email address is possibly spam so its not my filters. [23:48] (it's why e.g. antivirus software always needs so much updating: there's no general algorithm to detect viruses just by looking at their code with some other code...) [23:49] kipp (n=noo@c-69-249-79-66.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] Urchlay: Really?!?!?! No that just dashed my hopes, I thought this one AV software I got back in 95 would protected me always :) [23:52] LifeForce4: is the software called "Slackware Linux"? :P [23:52] Urchlay, chmod ugoa-x [23:52] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [23:52] it's absolutaley forbidden to execute code [23:52] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:52] Urchlay: YES :D [23:53] maxote: great. Now how to do useful things with your computer, if it can't execute code? [23:53] lesser than few things [23:54] I mean, you want a totally secure system, don't plug it in, and encase it in a 5' cube of steel-reinforced concrete, sink it to the bottom of the ocean, guarded by sharks with fricken laser beams on their heads [23:54] Urchlay, alienigenans steal this box [23:54] (and then hope Austin Powers doesn't show up to steal it...) [23:56] actually, hm, that same logic could work for the airlines [23:56] make all the passengers show up completely naked, shoot them with a tranquilizer dart from 100' away [23:57] once they're unconscious, X-ray them to make sure they don't have bombs up their bums [23:57] stack them on the plane like cordwood [23:57] specktater (n=speck@adsl-76-240-70-35.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [23:58] joeyt (n=joeyt@gware/developer/joeyt) left ##slackware. [00:00] --- Thu Apr 16 2009