[00:00] *nix, networking, perl, hardcore... no anime, etc. [00:01] hardcore like Linux hardcore or something more beige? [00:01] also no BDS, I don't have time for politics [00:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-141.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:02] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-65.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:02] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:02] also security [00:02] Like this: http://www.click2houston.com/video/23142215/index.html [00:03] nice domain, let me click on that [00:04] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:04] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:04] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [00:09] dios_mio (mirc@88.243.0.218) left irc: [00:09] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [00:10] what's the standard file extension for a pgp public key file? [00:13] .asc? or something [00:13] oh, ok [00:14] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: balls and falls [00:15] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.17) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:19] ".pub" [00:20] oh [00:22] thanks [00:22] i know there isn't a "standard" but i'd like mail clients to recognize it [00:26] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:31] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [00:33] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-65.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:33] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:36] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.52.50) joined ##slackware. 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[00:50] which really poses a serious problem, because then a large partof the work has to be done by you to be able to distinguish the crap from the good stuff [00:50] take security for example, 999 out of 1000 things i read online are written by braindead monkeys [00:51] mario (mario@213.147.122.31) joined ##slackware. [00:51] aye [00:51] *buntu crowd? [00:52] I'd be half interested in putting up a filtered news site, but if course that can't be done by one person [00:52] s/if/of/ [00:52] alisonken1noc: ubuntu and python [00:53] hmmm - the python crowd I would have thought were a little better than braindead monkeys :) [00:53] digg... gaa, what a cesspool [00:54] democratization has its plusses and minuses [00:56] well, I'd filter my contributors, too [00:56] no clue = no post for you [00:57] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-bjhseilzleijuhio) left irc: Quit: need screen [00:57] or, !clue eq !post [00:57] wario (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nvoqvyahmqditjqw) joined ##slackware. [01:01] cell_x (cell_x@ip98-162-234-8.ok.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [01:02] hm, this msn virus crap is annoying. i thought logging in on my mom's windows laptop was the cause, but i still get messages when i'm on slack. ugh [01:02] instant messaging ? [01:03] stu_, using what program? [01:03] i've never logged into a windows machine with msn and get IM spam [01:03] wawowe (1000@cpe-024-211-210-089.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:03] MLanden: was msn messenger on windows, now it's pidgin/amsn [01:03] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:03] i'm trying to find out where the source is, like my account or the windows pc, but there's no answers online hm [01:04] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-68.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:04] IM spam is bs IM spam.. can't do much about it [01:04] also, pidgin is awful at blocking people on msn messenger [01:04] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:04] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:04] Are you sending the messages? [01:04] If so, try changing your account password. [01:04] stu_, would be whatever the protocol handler would be and the spam would be what is being sent to that handler [01:04] If it's recieving, there are several Pidgin plugins to calm spim. [01:05] i'm just pissed that i have "only users on my list can contact me" and i still get an average 10 weird accounts msging me a day [01:06] That's odd. [01:06] stu_, which version of pidgin are you using? [01:06] MLanden: the latest one, 2.6.6 i think? [01:07] pidgin, amsn, i always get outsiders messages even though i've ticked "only users on my list", also, i frequently receive mail from email addresses i blocked. weird! [01:07] i'm starting to hate msn/hotmail [01:08] but my friends are all there so.. [01:08] starting to? [01:08] same here, i have a binch of friends on msn [01:08] *bunch [01:08] I hated hotmail the day they had it out due to all the extra crap they had [01:08] (i wouldn't consider msn otherwise) [01:08] good night [01:08] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [01:09] yeah seriously, if it wasn't for my contacts being on msn, i wouldn't even bother [01:09] google contacts ftq [01:09] ftq [01:09] ftw [01:09] Channel flood from alisonken1noc -- kicking [01:09] duh [01:09] alisonken1noc kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:09] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [01:09] hah [01:11] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Action: MLanden throws a life preserver to alisonken1noc only to see that they're out of the flood..:P [01:12] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. 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[02:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-69.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:10] how do i generate a gmail SSL certificate for use with fetchmail? the tutorials i googled are outdated i think, because i can't seem to get that 20 lines of encrypted stuff i see in the tutorials [02:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-42.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:12] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [02:12] openssl s_client -connect imap.gmail.com:993 -showcerts gives me an Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate) error? [02:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-174.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:14] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:17] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Quit: fnord!! [02:19] Naglfar (~Severance@83.38.214.67) joined ##slackware. [02:19] hi [02:20] somebody can help me with this error: [02:20] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/S5R7XF27.html [02:20] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:23] try adding #include to main.cpp [02:24] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-64.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:25] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:28] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] re [02:31] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:31] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [02:32] thank you mancha, I will try it [02:33] np. [02:39] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-24-246.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:39] Guest66700 (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:41] Guest66700 (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:41] Azeotrop1 (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:42] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [02:42] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [02:42] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:42] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-232.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:49] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.178) joined ##slackware. [02:49] same problem mancha [02:50] are you on slackware 32 or 64 bit ? is the build script set to the same ARCH ? [02:51] 32 bit [02:51] arch set to i686 [02:51] hmm ok [02:53] just fount is needed to patch exrmaketiled/main.cpp and exrenvmap/main.cpp [02:54] it compiles fine here 1.6.1. link to patch info? [02:58] fount? [02:58] fowned [02:59] I mean found, sorry [03:05] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:06] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-174.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:06] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [03:07] ty [03:07] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] cronie: a crond that uses pam and selinux. ugh :-{} [03:10] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:12] i stopped using Pam in the 90s [03:12] i dont miss her. [03:15] bless urbandictionary... pam has lots of meanings it appears [03:15] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:15] heh [03:17] saka_ (~saka@fm-ip-118.137.10.173.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [03:17] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:18] just fixed [03:18] added #include to exrmaketiled/main.cpp and exrenvmap/main.cpp [03:19] Slackware package /tmp/openexr-1.6.1-i486-1_SBo.tgz created. [03:19] thanks for help [03:20] saka_ (~saka@fm-ip-118.137.10.173.fast.net.id) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:21] saka (~saka@fm-ip-118.137.10.173.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. 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[03:35] ok so ive googled n googled, can someone point me in the right direction to fix my touchpad in slack 13 so i can tap to click? [03:36] synaptics? [03:36] hal touchpad ? [03:36] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [03:36] theres a synaptics rule file, I saw it :) [03:36] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 7.4, id: 0x1e0b1, caps: 0xd04711/0xa40000 [03:37] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:38] /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi [03:38] and man synaptics [03:38] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:38] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [03:38] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [03:38] saka (~saka@fm-ip-118.137.10.173.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [03:38] ty slava_dp [03:39] hope it helps [03:40] i didnt know there was a man page, and most of what ive found on google has been more about debian/gentoo/ubuntu [03:41] well, you do have to convert the man page settings to hal fdi settings, but it's usually a pretty simple convert [03:41] and don't edit the fdi file in-place, copy it over to /etc [03:41] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [03:42] cp 11-x11-synaptics.fdi /etc/fdi/policy10-synaptics.fdi or something like that [03:42] or just straight copy should work [03:42] slava_dp: dude, yea, i think that answers all my questions [03:42] then edit [03:42] quick n easy [03:42] lol [03:43] ty [03:43] win 9 [03:43] lose 10 [03:43] 2 steps below win7 [03:43] sorry - 3 steps below win7 [03:45] u guys rock! im damn good with slack i feel, but u guys make me feel like a n00b [03:45] z0mG [03:46] slackin, meh. PV is damn good with slack, not we ;) [03:46] hehe [03:46] slackin, if you ever read this, you'd know. http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [03:46] i dont think good is the word [03:47] yea, i miss those docs sometimes [03:47] lol [03:47] I have this PDA a Pocket Loox N520 that got (I think) bricked. I happened this way. I had a new battery for it, I installed it, it worked fine and then I tried a hard-reset. Many times because it didn't worked. Now it won't recharge and stays freezed at the boot image (climbers on mountain). When connected to USB linux won't show it in lsusb, in Windows is the same. I tried to reflash the ROM but since it's not seen...no success. Any ideea? [03:47] i do read them occasionally [03:47] slackin, that file actually mentions synaptics and the rulefile. it's a good practice to read it. [03:48] yea i know, i get lazy n forgetful [03:48] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:49] reading the kernel changelog saved me a huge headache i was having [03:49] ;] [03:49] my wifi card works soooooo much better now that i upgraded my kernel [03:50] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Azeotrope, if it's not seen in lsusb, then you may as well throw it in the dumpster. or find a service center. [03:50] yea, note to anyone running atheros ath9k who's having problems: UPGRADE TO 2.6.33 [03:51] many fixes get backported to 2.6.32 though [03:51] i've seen a lot of ath9k changes in the changelog for 32 [03:51] yea, maybe true, but 2.6.29 ath9k is borked [03:51] in 2.6.29, most of stuff is borked. [03:51] ath5k too [03:52] idk, dont have an ath5k [03:52] ;] [03:52] i was having a HELL of a time [03:52] and couldnt figure it out [03:52] and i was reading the kernel changelog one night [03:52] and was like, DUDE i think this might fix my issues [03:52] updating to the latest kernel solves most problems. [03:52] heh, or creates them ;p [03:53] my laptop is a bitch for somereason, EVERYTHING works great in 2.6.29 but when i try to upgrade i cant get certian shit to work properly [03:53] like the sound card comes up but i cant control all the channels now [03:53] and i cant use the mic built in, have to use external [03:54] but it works fine in 2.6.29 [03:54] idk [03:54] and the webcam wont come up in 2.6.33 but works fine in 2.6.29, but honestly i dont even fucking know what module it uses in 2.6.29 [03:54] you should try removing /etc/asound.state and it should work. [03:54] slava_dp: did that [03:55] the new alsa driver is not showing some channels [03:55] at all [03:55] but the old one does [03:55] its some funky intel hd audio i think its mostly software driven [03:55] heh. you're unlucky then. maybe it needs a newer alsa-lib and the tools. [03:56] i'm very tempted to try OSSv4, in available on slackbuilds.org for a while now. [03:56] also, you might need new snd_hda_intel options [03:56] i've read that it beats alsa totally [03:56] bluh alsa [03:56] linux-only crap :P [03:57] surrounder, you on oss? [03:57] not yet, not even on slackware even.... [03:57] -1x even [03:58] might give it a try on my atom at home though - alsa has had issues with the onboard soundcard in that machine [03:58] anyone here have experience with configuring bcomm wireless on dell computers? [03:58] laptop, actually [03:59] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.117.135) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [03:59] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:00] slava_dp: humm maybe, for now im just running the old kernel [04:00] cause my webcam is also crazy wierd, it id's as off the wall shit in linux and i cant figure out what module is driving it in 2.6.29 and it doesnt work in 2.6.33 [04:01] and why does installing slackware on my laptop (which is as fast as my desktop) take so much longer? and i mean longer as in the amount of time it takes to install on my desktop is the amount of time it takes to load installation image on laptop [04:01] stu_: o hey [04:01] stu_: what u need with broadcom n dell? i have three dells with built in broadcom in slackware [04:02] im talking to you on one now [04:02] ;] [04:03] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:03] morning lads o/ [04:03] mornin phrag [04:03] its 18 till [04:03] im loaded n ready [04:03] slackin: there aren't many about slackware + broadcom on google, so i wanna know what to do out of the box. ndiswrapper first, then blacklist, then modprobe? [04:04] o gawd no [04:04] dont do ndiswrapper [04:04] what model do you have? [04:04] do lspci and tell me the BCM 43XX [04:05] sec imma get the laptop [04:05] stu_: ill be here, but i would stay away from ndiswrapper if at all possible [04:05] its like tool of last resort [04:06] fonseg (~bnguyen@113.23.41.233) joined ##slackware. [04:07] is there a way to make the taskbar in kde4 just show icons of the running programs, not icon+title ? [04:07] yes - check settings [04:09] slackin: it's bcm4312 [04:09] wired works real good, cos its mostly autodetected, but the wireless i'm tellin u [04:09] s'crazy [04:09] well, your best bet stu_ is the b43 drivers, let me link you to slack-builds [04:09] and i would also install the package "wicd" from "extra" on the disc [04:10] gimme the pci-id, 14e4:43?? [04:10] saka (~saka@fm-ip-118.137.10.173.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:10] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/b43-firmware/ [04:11] slackin: that does it? [04:11] wait [04:11] one sec [04:11] i dont think so [04:11] i think u need one more package [04:11] i've been having so much crap with bcom i don't think it's that easy [04:11] yea [04:11] stu it is [04:11] trust me [04:12] i refuse to believe that! haha [04:12] you install these two + wicd [04:12] k.. [04:12] reboot and i bet ur good to go [04:12] saka (~saka@fm-ip-118.137.10.173.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [04:12] i just say reboot to make sure all other stuff gets unloaded [04:12] stu_: get install that slack build [04:13] im gonna link you to wicd [04:13] and find that other one i think u need [04:13] stu_: is it slack 32 or 64? [04:13] I just installed the nvidia drivers from sbo, (all of parts) and my old xorg.conf that I was using with the drivers from nvidia didnt work, so I started x without a xorg.conf, but now I cant start compiz (aka hardware aceleration i think) [04:13] slackin: 32 [04:14] ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/wicd/wicd-1.6.2.1-i486-1.txz [04:14] Reticenti, X without xorg.conf will use the nv driver. [04:14] ^^ thats wicd [04:14] slava_dp: how do I use nvidia's driver? [04:14] Reticenti, http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/04/09/configuring-nvidia-cards-on-slackware/ [04:14] thanks :) [04:15] Action: slava_dp passes the thanks to Zordrak :) [04:15] alisonken1noc: could you be more specific? i can't find that setting. [04:15] stu_: yea actually just those, make sure b43 isnt blacklisted(if you blacklisted it) make sure all modules are removed and try modprobe b43 [04:15] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.235) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:16] then wicd is a great tool for getting wifi setup with wep/wpa or whatever [04:17] slackin: k i just gotta reinstall slack first. is wicd included in default full install? [04:17] no, you have to install the package from /extra on the disc [04:17] or use that link above [04:17] kay now just gimme an hour (installing takes forever on laptop) and i'll let u know if it worked [04:17] or slackpkg install wicd [04:17] sure ill be around [04:18] stu_: ^^ [04:18] well [04:18] slava_dp: no [04:18] it wont have inet [04:18] lol [04:18] ahem... true. [04:18] well it can actually, i'll just plug the cable in later [04:19] stu_: yea, well get it installed, install wicd and that slackbuild [04:19] and then try modprobe b43 [04:19] and u should be good [04:19] then, what WM u using? [04:19] slava_dp: i try to startx, and it says that the nvidia kernel module failed to intialize [04:19] slava_dp: that was after i ran nvidia-xconfig [04:19] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:19] Reticenti: did you modprobe it ? [04:19] slackin: kde [04:19] no... [04:19] modprobe nvidia ? [04:19] wicd will be under internet [04:20] stu_: and when you run it, it will put an icon in the try [04:20] fonseg, if I remember correctly, you have to modify the theme for the task manager [04:20] Reticenti: something like that, has been a while since I used nvidia cards [04:20] stu_: allows you to easily setup ip settings and wep/wpa per ssid and such [04:20] wicd autostarts in slackware afaik. [04:20] stu_: and does auto switching when you plug in a lan cable [04:20] slava_dp: if he reboots [04:20] surrounder: lsmod shows nvidia already loaded [04:20] saka (~saka@fm-ip-118.137.10.173.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:20] s/afaik/iirc/ [04:21] slava_dp: I <3 wicd [04:21] its made life with my laptop sooo much easier [04:21] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Reticenti: anything interesting in the Xorgs logs ? [04:21] larry65 (~larry65@d122-105-198-226.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:21] ITS FOUR TWENTY! [04:21] brb [04:22] saka (~saka@125.161.39.161) joined ##slackware. [04:22] coffeetime? [04:22] surrounder: http://dpaste.com/184070/ it errors out at the bottom [04:22] it's ALWAYS coffee time! [04:22] hmmmcoffee [04:22] lets call it "tea time" [04:23] Reticenti: did you look at the system's kernel log for additional error messages? :P [04:23] Reticenti, dmesg | tail [04:23] Reticenti, try blacklisting the nv and fb modules [04:23] slackin: i was loading bzimage and initrd since you gave me the slackbuild link, does it usually take that long on your dells? [04:23] also, try to trim your xorg.conf as per my comment in that blog entry. [04:24] stu_: its a little slow on kernel load yes, think its bios related [04:24] cos i'd definetely be on disk2 by now on my desktop [04:24] idk thats strange [04:24] stu_, I've had that long loading time on one box. just put "compact" in /etc/lilo.conf, rerun lilo, and it'll load in 1/2 seconds. [04:24] how does it run once its booted? [04:25] slava_dp: humm whats that do? [04:25] slava_dp: http://dpaste.com/184072/ [04:25] slava_dp: you mean on install? [04:25] man lilo.conf [04:25] no, on the installed system. [04:26] gimme a sec.. [04:26] Reticenti, reinstall the nvidia driver. [04:26] http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z220/slackin35/personal/tux.jpg [04:26] slava_dp: using sbopkg? [04:26] Reticenti, I always install the official .run file. never tried the slackbuilds. [04:27] saka_ (~saka@125.161.39.161) joined ##slackware. [04:27] slackin, oh, thanks a lot for letting me view your hairy leg :P [04:27] haha [04:27] slava_dp: yeah, i've never had any luck with them :( [04:27] that tattoo is 8 years old, still looks pretty decent imo [04:28] alisonken1noc: do I blacklist nv and fb in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? [04:29] Reticenti, no need to blacklist nv, it's an xorg driver not a kernel module [04:29] ah [04:30] saka (~saka@125.161.39.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:30] what is the manpage for blacklisting modules [04:30] well, i don't know how to use the sbo packages for the nvidia modules [04:30] does anyone else have any ideas? [04:31] Reticenti: yea [04:31] slackin: yes? [04:31] just use the .run from nvidia .com [04:31] stu_, man -k modprobe? [04:31] well, besides that :P [04:31] thats how i always do it [04:31] Reticenti: why? [04:31] Reticenti: its damn near fool proof [04:31] slackin: i dont know [04:32] Reticenti, use http://www.sbopkg.org [04:32] Reticenti: the best way by far, most fool proof method of installing an nvidia driver is downloading it strait from nvidia.com and sh NVIDIA-blah blah blah.sh [04:32] that's similar to pkgtool for slackbuilds.org [04:32] alisonken1noc: i am :\ [04:33] yeah, sh NVIDIA-etc. is rocks [04:33] thats how i've done it in the past [04:33] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:33] Reticenti: download .run from nvidia.com and so "sh NVIDIA-blah.sh" [04:33] but I thought I'd try the sbo again [04:33] Reticenti: why? [04:33] I've never been able to get the sbo to work [04:33] u like a challenge? [04:33] lol [04:33] lol [04:34] seems better to use the sbo version [04:34] nah, not at all [04:34] lol [04:34] u crackin me up [04:35] btw, back to my desktop, has anyone installed elinks and find the pages garbled? i'm using lynx now because of that [04:35] stu_: like what site? [04:35] as in instead of Link1 | Link2 | Link3 | SearchBar, it comes out Link1 Link2 Link3 then the search bar underneath [04:35] Reticenti: "its works fine using nvidias driver, but since i cant get slackbuild to work im gonna do it that way!" <=== lulz? <3 [04:35] Reticenti: any site, like fmylife.com for example [04:37] slackin: just an experiment :) [04:37] saka (~saka@125.161.39.161) joined ##slackware. [04:37] stu_: fmylife.com looks ok to me using elinks [04:37] stu_: did you build it using the slackbuild on slackbuilds.org? [04:37] Reticenti: i know, i do that same shit, just wanna see if u can make it work [04:38] the nvidia installer will work flawlessy im sure [04:38] Reticenti: slackbuilds, yes, i'll snapshot for you guys to see [04:40] saka_ (~saka@125.161.39.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:40] http://124.13.52.50/lynx.jpeg and http://124.13.52.50/elinks.jpeg , anyone else have this problem with elinks? or should i try another text based browser? [04:46] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [04:48] well, nvidia works now =D [04:48] Reticenti: whatdid u do? [04:48] downloaded the .run lol [04:48] lol [04:48] stu_: that's how mine looks, that's not really garbled... [04:48] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:48] stu_: are you expecting it to render likefirefox? [04:49] lol [04:49] Reticenti: it renders worse than lynx imho, and i'm pretty sure i've seen better elinks rendering on ubuntu [04:49] stu_: u try links [04:49] u have to set a couple options in the menu [04:49] but looks decent after u do [04:50] so set a few options in the elinks menu? [04:51] k done installing, gonna try b43, sec. [04:52] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:52] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [04:54] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-77-29.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.46.29.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:55] well, guys, the nvidia slackbuilds are working flawlessly for me. If you have issues with them, I'd need to know what exactly, otherwise I won't be able to fix it [04:57] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.52.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:00] pprkut: are you the maintainer for them? [05:00] yes [05:00] saka (~saka@125.161.39.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:00] pprkut: let me get the pastebins of my xorg.log and dmesg|tail ... [05:00] saka (~saka@125.161.39.161) joined ##slackware. [05:01] pprkut: http://dpaste.com/184070/ http://dpaste.com/184072/ [05:01] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:01] pprkut: I've never been able to get them to work [05:02] well, what I read from the dmesg it's clear that that is not working [05:02] pprkut, speaking about nvidia,with wine and the changes to the d3d engine,has it been usable with those drivers? [05:02] pprkut: I can also post the xorg.conf if you'd like [05:03] Hi, is there a place where I can get -current packages (*.tgz or whatever the new extension)? [05:03] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.105.138) joined ##slackware. [05:03] vhann, it's generally a bad idea to mix stable and current [05:03] *.txz is the new extension [05:03] Reticenti: it tells you you are (were) using 195.36.15 userspace but 195.36.08 kernel driver. That *never* works [05:03] Reticenti: Except when your current MESA doesn't work eh ;) [05:03] vhann, and you can go to the slackware.com website -> get slackware -> pick a mirror link [05:04] vhann: most 3rd party packages created for 13.0 will still work on -current [05:04] pprkut: I installed all of the new nvidia things using sbopkg, but I still got that error [05:04] Wait, so -current is 13.0? [05:04] no, -current is -current, -stable is 13.0 [05:05] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Well, get Slack on slackware.com only gives me links to 13.0 [05:05] Or am I wrong? [05:05] Reticenti: than something in your system interfered. Like, and old module still being loaded, or compiled for the wrong kernel [05:05] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.52.50) joined ##slackware. [05:06] pprkut: I did a modprobe nvidia after I installed, but it still gave me the same errors [05:06] Ok, nevermind, I'm stupid [05:06] Reticenti: as long as you get that error, an older version is still present somewhere in your system [05:06] now, the SlackBuilds don't handle that case, but the .run installer does, which would explain why it was working with that [05:06] hmm [05:07] how would I go about removing the old pacakges then? [05:07] I guess you had an old nvidia driver installed from .run, which was either not uninstalled, or not uninstalled completely [05:08] vhann, if you go to http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/slackware you will also see a directory for -current and 64-current [05:08] probably [05:08] mixing the SlackBuilds with .run installs is almost certainly calling for trouble, except you know *exactly* what you are doing [05:08] alisonken1noc: Yeah, as I said above, I'm stupid :p [05:09] I checked the links after posting and found those directories [05:10] Reticenti: for the SlackBuilds to work as intended you would need to remove the previous nvidia install with "nvidia-installer --uninstall" (only works right with .run installs) [05:10] that's usually all that's needed [05:10] slackin: woop, i have b43firmware, b43fwcutter and wicd installed, how do i see my modules list [05:10] pprkut: ahh, ok, next time I'll try that, thanks :) [05:11] did u reboot? [05:11] lsmod [05:11] btw^^ [05:11] reboot, whats that? [05:11] something you occasionally have to do when messing with kernel modules and such [05:12] sounds scary [05:12] alisonken1noc: dont *have* to [05:12] but sometimes its just easier [05:12] no - scary is having to reboot when you change a setting on your desktop - like some other o/s we know and unlove [05:12] lol [05:12] lol [05:12] or when you install a trivial app? [05:12] OMG IINSTALLED A NEW VIDEO GAME REBOOT! [05:12] YOU MUST REBOOT NOW OR IN 15 MINUTES CHOOSE NOW [05:13] lol [05:13] yea [05:13] i love that one [05:13] "reboot now or in 15 seconds?" [05:13] "You just upgraded textpad, you must reboot for changes to become effective. Reboot now?" [05:13] well lemme think about that [05:13] HOW ABOUT NOW?! [05:15] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:15] omg, you've discovered a caps lock. [05:15] ananke: no, actually i dont use caps lock, all shift key [05:16] even better [05:17] lol [05:17] stu_ (~stuart@124.13.52.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:17] fonseg (~bnguyen@113.23.41.233) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:17] anybody messed with lighttpd? [05:18] a little a few years ago, prefer nginx nowadays.. [05:18] i've ported my zoneminder install to lighttpd from apache, but having a problem.... [05:19] i'm trying to have less load on the server, and heard that lighty is more light than apache :) [05:19] go nginx, really :P [05:19] is it really fast? [05:19] we use it for serving static content mostly [05:19] yes [05:20] I have totally dynamic content here. php, cgi and stuff. [05:20] doesn't matter, you can use fastcgi for that [05:20] yes, I'm using fastcgi+cgi with lighttpd now. 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[06:50] larry65 (~larry65@d122-105-198-226.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:50] hmm, this is tricky [06:51] anyoen know why this does not work.. sed -e 's/\n/ /' hostnames.log [06:52] in a file full of IP HOSTNAME, i want to strip the \n from every second line and add a space [06:53] phrag: put a g after the last / [06:54] but it will probably do EVERY \n [06:54] sed -e 's/\n/ /g' hostnames.log [06:54] oh yeh =P [06:54] hmm, same [06:54] hence my litte bash loop that says for each line read another line THEN act [06:55] yeh, didnt have much luck with that, did try to get it working tho [06:55] omg, i was testing some scripting on a box, and another SA beside me rebooted the machine the second i ran some perl syntax... i shit myself! [06:55] lol [06:56] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:56] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [06:58] slap the crap out of hium for that [06:58] oh i did! =P [06:59] entirely coincimental, he didnt know i was on it =P [07:00] sdb1 (~mobile@host-90-235-36-254.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:01] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:02] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:02] sdb1 (~mobile@host-90-235-35-95.mobileonline.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:02] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:05] Action: Zordrak is bricking it [07:06] The new file storage system is now OFFICIALLY in production even if only three depts have migrated to it so far [07:06] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-klxedpaynquvxzkm) joined ##slackware. [07:07] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) joined ##slackware. [07:08] hmm.. anyone with experience getting slackware to connect on wireless on dell laptops? especially broadcom wireless [07:09] lol [07:09] stu_: step 1. paste the lspci entry for the wireless device [07:10] Zordrak: BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) [07:11] sucky [07:11] definetely [07:11] do an lspci -v and see if it lists something in for example "kernel modules in use:" [07:11] but slackin was sure he could help and i was doing it halfway till freakin internet died on me [07:12] sdb1 (~mobile@host-90-235-35-95.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:12] unless youve already done that bit and know the right kernel code is in place [07:12] Zordrak: nope no kernel modules [07:13] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:13] btw i already installed b43firmware and b43fcutter and wicd from previous advice [07:13] which didn't work tho [07:13] and i already modprobed b43, but is there any thing i'll need to 'blacklist' because i've been seeing that alot in google solutions [07:14] http://bbs.archwiki.org/viewtopic.php?id=88996 [07:15] Does look like people have had a little more success with ndiswrapper cause the broadcom drier is buggy [07:15] weird can't get on that link [07:16] oo [07:16] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcam_BCM4312 [07:17] i dont think i can tell you anything more than whats on that page [07:17] covers the lot [07:17] Zordrak: k quick question, if i modprobe'd b43, how do i blacklist it? [07:17] And worst case.. if that page cant help you sort it then you can still fall back on ndiswrapper which people report as working properly [07:18] modprobe -r b43 [07:18] then add "blacklist b43" to .. [07:19] k thanks [07:19] lemme try [07:19] /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [07:19] gonna plug my cable into my lappie [07:19] brb [07:20] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6F295.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] the last link says "No text on this page" (Broadcam BCM4312) <-- NOTICE THE SPELLING :) [07:22] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcom_BCM4312 <-- try this one instead [07:23] bah [07:23] still having trouble with dvorak vowels [07:24] goj (~goj@p4FE6EF6D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:24] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [07:24] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:25] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. 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[07:39] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:41] sdb1 (~mobile@host-90-235-74-187.mobileonline.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:41] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:42] sorry - 'ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0 up" [07:42] sometimes it takes a few to get good scans [07:44] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:45] alisonken1noc: dhclient wlan0 is to connect right? after i've setup iwconfig essid and iwconfig key [07:45] sdb1 (~mobile@host-90-235-74-187.mobileonline.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:49] j0z (~SPH@200.146.82.99) joined ##slackware. [07:49] j0z (~SPH@200.146.82.99) left irc: Changing host [07:49] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:51] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [07:51] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:54] ugh, i can't get my wlan0 to have an ESSID even though i just typed iwconfig wlan0 essid myessid ? [07:55] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:57] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.241.150.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:57] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:02] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) joined ##slackware. [08:03] maybe (~may_be@196.202.27.173) joined ##slackware. [08:04] where is /etc/network/interfaces kinda file so i can edit my wlan0 essid manually? [08:04] you probably mean /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [08:05] there is also rc.wireless.conf [08:05] but i think the prefered way nowadays is rc.inet1.conf [08:06] or wicd [08:06] wicd ftw [08:06] yes or wicd. wicd will actually be better [08:06] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware. [08:06] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [08:06] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:07] the slackbook has great information on how to use a slackware system [08:08] and also alienbob has a great wiki article on how to setup network on slack [08:08] I think /etc/network/interfaces is a debian-ism [08:09] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [08:09] theF?! "Brand new HTG Desire" "possibly the best smart phone in existence" "oh by the way it only has 802.11b/g" [08:10] *HTC [08:11] Zordrak: and? [08:11] How am i ever supposed to implement wireless in a business location that needs as little 2.4GHz activity as possible when even the bestest brandest newest smartphones dont even do 2.4GHz 802.11n let alone 5GHz [08:12] Zordrak: hehe my legend has 802.11n [08:12] 5GHz? [08:12] Zordrak: little brother of the desire [08:13] uh should look that up [08:13] indeed [08:13] gee, not even editing rc1.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf can put an essid in my wlan0 , why can't i put an essid in? [08:13] stu_: wicd ith [08:13] *it [08:13] stu_, just use rc.inet1.conf [08:14] ignore rc.wireless.conf , let it die on its own [08:16] stu_, try wicd [08:16] makes life a lot easier, especially with wifi [08:18] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:19] is settings by wicd work on the fly only or on boot also [08:19] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) joined ##slackware. [08:20] hm my ESSID is still off/any [08:21] i've done essid=myessid in rc.inet1.conf [08:21] i've done wicd [08:22] pastebin your rc.inet1.conf if you want help with it. "it doesn't work" is worthless feedback [08:24] try restart daemon to activate changes [08:24] sdb1 (~mobile@host-90-235-87-110.mobileonline.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:28] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:29] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:31] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:36] there's nothing much to pastebin, i did WLAN_ESSID=myessid, restarted inet and still don't have an essid to my wlan0 when i type iwconfig [08:36] i can see my wifi card, scan my essid, but just can't seem to direct the bloody wifi card to my essid [08:39] I didn't search for that wiki page for my health [08:39] it VERY nicely describes what to put in your rc.inet1.conf [08:39] then, of course, you need to restart the networking with "/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart" [08:40] or, wlan0_restart [08:41] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:43] RAID61 in production for 3 hours... no problems reported \o/ [08:43] i followed aliens wiki. already put whatever it said. restarted inet. it still won't let me put an ESSID in my wlan0 [08:44] no one came across a "stubborn essid" problem with their wifi card before? [08:44] it keeps saying ESSID:off/any on my iwconfig no matter what i do [08:44] stu_: i dont do a lot of linux wireless myself.. [08:45] dayum [08:45] stu_, what stubborn problem? is it changing ESSID on you? [08:45] Delahunt: it won't let me input an ESSID no matter what the method. iwconfig wlan0 essid myessid, editing /etc/rc.d....., wicd.. [08:46] hmm [08:46] stu_, seriously, pastebin your f'ing file if oyu expect help. quit bitching that 'THINGS DON'T WORK1!1" without letting us help you [08:46] do you put spaces in your essid? [08:46] nope, k sec while i pastebin [08:46] marleyde (~marleyde@189-041-44-210.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:47] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:49] stu_ try use live CD like PCLinuxOS or Ubuntu on the same pc/laptop to test your wireless card with another system work or no [08:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:49] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [08:49] why do we need to know if it works with another system? we may be able to figure out why it's not working on the current system [08:51] zarock (zarock@82.230.37.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:51] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) joined ##slackware. [08:53] ananke: help me throught the pain of NFS.. i know you feel it too [08:53] yeah. turn off firewall. [08:53] what firewall? [08:54] this is purely system level hatred [08:54] yeah what firewall? [08:54] Action: Delahunt hids [08:54] no clue. it was just a random thought [08:54] s/hids/hides/ [08:54] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [08:54] if i cant work out a new way to route this bollocks im gonna have to manually expert EVERY home directory using exports [08:54] *export [08:54] or you could use pam_mount with cifs. ohh, hold on... [08:55] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:55] ahah [08:55] phew.. its ox [08:55] *ok [08:56] crm resource restart nfsd doesnt actually stop and start the service thats all [08:57] wobbles (huntsman@C-59-101-188-5.mel.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:57] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:57] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-klxedpaynquvxzkm) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:01] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:05] dguitar (~dguitar@cpe-76-178-242-76.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:08] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [09:11] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:14] maybe (~may_be@196.202.27.173) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:15] hmm, on the subject of wifi n, monoprice has usb wifi dongles for $9, with N support [09:16] marleyde (~marleyde@189-041-44-210.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: [09:16] that's like $5 [09:16] £5 [09:16] slight difference :) [09:17] ooh, irssi does not like $ [09:17] i mean £ [09:17] lol [09:17] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:17] looks fine here, phrag [09:17] Nick change: hackedhead_ -> hackedhead [09:18] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Quit: :) [09:20] show me! =P [09:20] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:20] same here. i see the pound sign in irssi [09:20] i can see it, just prefixed with a strange A [09:21] maybe screen+irssi [09:24] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:24] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:32] i'm using screen+irssi as well [09:32] (and currently, via putty from a windows machine) [09:34] what's a dongle [09:35] i might just get one and end my quest to set this crap up [09:35] you already have a card. why buy another [09:35] did you pastebin the conf ? [09:36] slaker (~slaker@212.183.140.37) joined ##slackware. [09:37] slaker (~slaker@212.183.140.37) left irc: Client Quit [09:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:38] Lord_Khelben: later when i'm done doing online stuff with this pc [09:39] cos that lappie doesn't have an internet connection [09:39] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-220.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] ok anything that suits you [09:39] anyone use dropbox? [09:40] phrag, I do [09:40] I do too ;-) [09:41] hmm, it's suddenly stopped working [09:41] everytime i start the client, it asks to download the daemon [09:41] when i try to dropbox start, it prompts me to download and install the daemon again each time, downloades the daemon and seems to install to ~/.dropbox-dist. After the install, dropbox just quits without any errors or info, and if i try to start again, i am back to dropbox start -i.. which does the same thing. I tried removing the .dropbox-dist directory and redownloading/reinstalling the package, but same problem. [09:41] Hm... "i do to" did not imply "at this very moment".. [09:42] weird bug i can't seem to fix [09:42] slaker (~slaker@212.183.140.37) joined ##slackware. [09:43] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:43] tried removing all ~/.dropbox* and reinstalling the package, just no luck [09:43] was working fine before, and i've not rebooted since [09:43] no errors or anything... i've submitted a bug report to dropbox forums [09:43] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) joined ##slackware. [09:45] toor_ (1000@f052037228.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:45] hello [09:45] ananke: WRT N is that N2 or N5? [09:46] is there any other way to get all that libraries that are needed to compile a piece of source then downloading it by hand? [09:46] toor_: be specific [09:46] I am. [09:47] toor_, packages have dependencies. check out configure.ac to see what it wants [09:47] toor_: slackware does not do dependency management [09:47] i think he means he doesn't wanna d/l and compile dependencies manually [09:47] stu_: right :) [09:47] then you're SOL [09:47] SOL? [09:47] Shit out of luck [09:48] toor_, tried sbopkg? it has queues [09:48] it's senseless time to search dozens of libraries =) [09:48] and compile them, hrr hrr [09:48] toor_: but yea, sbopkg helps [09:48] I just have 1.5 Ghz :P [09:49] toor_: rarely are dozens of deps actually required, it generally winds up being one or three [09:49] toor_: Then use something else. [09:49] nope. :P [09:50] I wanna stay with slackware =) [09:51] Is there a specific application that is giving you a problem? [09:51] Then understand... I'm not being an ass because I want to be.. you just aren't the first person to say "I don't want to have to deal with dependencies." Well.. welcome to Slackware.. you wil lhave to learn how to deal with them... or you won't make it :) [09:51] yes [09:51] cinelerra [09:51] slackbuilds.org has a cinelerra build I thought [09:51] yes [09:51] I build it from there [09:52] then it asked for "libfaad.so.2" [09:52] hrm.. [09:52] I compiled it [09:52] libfaad is on slackbuilds [09:52] now it asks for "libfaac.so.2" =) [09:52] faac is on slackbuilds.org as well [09:52] Dominian: w00t? I searched for it, no hits [09:52] and you never read the README. [09:52] All of which are noted in the READMEs. [09:52] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.241.150.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes! [09:52] Generally we find that a full install gives us a good basis. SBo packages have a README which tells you what you need which is not in the full install. [09:52] the readme details all of this [09:53] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:53] and as already suggested, sbopkg / #sbopkg [09:53] toor_, if it's asking for shared libraries, you did nto compile it yourself [09:53] no results for libfaad on slackbuilds.org [09:53] Some software is more complex to build the dependency chain for, generally GTK-based stuff. [09:53] the binary won't link against .so files to which you don't have [09:53] Try "faad" [09:53] no results for cinelerra on SBo either? [09:54] you downloaded cinerella from some place and installed it, I promise [09:54] In general, leaving off the "lib" part of it is better for searching. [09:54] Liberty! [09:54] 09:50 toor_| I build it from there [09:54] I call bullshit :> [09:55] me too, given it's not even on sbo. [09:55] thrice`: sure, I wgettet it from the URI in the .info file and used the slackbuild script [09:55] toor_, can you "ls /var/log/packages/ciner*" ? [09:55] sorry [09:56] ls /var/log/packages/cine* [09:56] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:56] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:56] /var/log/packages/cinelerra-20091114-i486-1as [09:57] that was obvious [09:57] linuxpackages.net? :-) [09:57] eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [09:57] Action: Zordrak run [09:57] s [09:58] aeh [09:58] =) [09:58] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.105.138) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [09:58] it's from linuxpackages? =) [09:58] no =( [09:58] your slackware warranty is voided [09:58] you have to peel off your slackware licence sticker from your pc and remove slackware. [09:59] I'm new to it [09:59] why woudl you say something like "I compiled it myself" which is so clearly not the case, then? I don't understand [09:59] no results for "cinelerra" on slackbuilds.org, what happens? :P [09:59] it's a build from slacky.eu [10:00] which clearly states: [10:00] Dipendenze [10:00] a52dec, faac, faad2, fftw, imlib2, lame, libavc1394, libdv, libiec61883, libsndfile, mjpegtools, x264 [10:00] so go and get all that [10:00] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:00] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-crfjwugykrhvzxvp) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:01] even though I personally don't use slacky.eu, this issue is still pebkac. if you choose to install packages from any location, that's your choice, but you of course need their dependencies met too, which slacky.eu clearly states [10:02] you won't get far in slackware if you can't use README files [10:02] I just installed from there cause I haven't find it on slackbuilds [10:02] now go and install the dependencies ;) [10:02] toor_, then say that from the beginning, not crap like "I compiled it myself!!". simply lying to people trying to help you makes no sense [10:03] I thought I got it from slackbuilds [10:03] Action: Zordrak <3 Winscape. [10:04] Action: Zordrak hates £3000 tag. [10:04] <_RadioHead> toor_: http://slacky.eu/aadm/pkgs/index.php?ver=13&pkg=132 <<<< and read Dipendenze wll is there just read [10:05] <_RadioHead> hi Zordrak slava_dp :) [10:05] Zordrak, what is winscape? [10:05] dont make me do it [10:05] :D [10:06] slava_dp: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=winscape [10:06] there you made me do it [10:06] no I didn't [10:06] maybe it's better if you tell me what's the best choice to get cinelerra :P [10:06] <_RadioHead> Zordrak: hahaha [10:07] its #1 on /. right now.. thats the best way to link [10:07] no results on slackbuilds so I goo [10:07] gle for it :P [10:08] I've been away from Slack for a while, since 12.1, actually. Has there been any drastic changes sicne then? I'm planning on switching back in the near future. [10:08] install it from source [10:08] FriedBob: it got even better [10:08] FriedBob: hit CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [10:08] FriedBob: theres a lot to go throug [10:08] slaker (~slaker@212.183.140.37) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:09] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [10:09] FriedBob, many improvements and convenience things [10:09] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Client Quit [10:09] Skywise: puhh [10:10] my computer is slow :/ [10:10] <_RadioHead> alienBOB: thx for providing kde 4.4.2 [10:10] toor_: google:cinelerra slackbuild [10:10] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [10:10] thrice`: Oi oi! [10:10] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-sdujjjzzhzqzkbdv) joined ##slackware. [10:11] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:11] <_RadioHead> toor http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#slack [10:11] :) [10:12] That actually points to the same site as the first google result for "cinelerra slackbuild" [10:12] and the google hit is an SVN build too [10:13] and has the deps in the same dir [10:13] that slackbuild (the 1st result) is insanely long and weird. [10:15] _RadioHead: already looked there, just builds for slackware 11.0 [10:15] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:15] toor_: google you frigging vampire GOOGLE [10:16] toor_: like i just said the FIRST result points to an SVN build script and all the dependencies are in the level above [10:16] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:16] toor_: now FOAD [10:18] toor_, man, just use slacky.eu's package and deps. I did that for two years before I started making my own slackbuilds. [10:18] Zordrak: you should get some lessons in the code of conduct. [10:19] toor_: Everyone has a limit. You broke mine. [10:19] Zeracca (~zeracca@94.145.132.55) joined ##slackware. [10:20] toor_, Zordrak is unbalanced sometimes =] [10:20] just noticed a problem, anyone know what would stop me executing binaries as a user with +x set? [10:20] alright [10:21] phrag: the binary being built for the wrong architnecture would be no1 on that hit list [10:21] phrag, what do they say? [10:21] phrag, lots of things. linker misconfiuration, wrong arch [10:21] perm. denied would be -x, "no such file" would be ARCH [10:21] jb ~/down/.dropbox-dist # sh dropbox [10:21] what about -r [10:21] dropbox: dropbox: cannot execute binary file [10:21] matu_ (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:21] phrag: file dropbox [10:21] "file ~/down/.dropbox-dist/dropbox" [10:21] like it won't even auto complete to execute [10:21] god damnit, i'm slowz :/ [10:22] maybe the file is damaged or the shebang points to a bad path [10:22] dropbox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [10:22] and, you're on pure64 bit I guess? :) [10:22] phrag: ldd dropbox [10:22] ldd: warning: you do not have execution permission for `./dropbox' not a dynamic executable [10:22] i'm on pure 64, dropbox works. [10:22] then your binary is 64-bit, phrag's is not [10:22] had it working before, it's being really wierd [10:23] says 32-bit? [10:23] 10:21 phrag| dropbox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable [10:23] dropbox-lnx.x86-0.8.32.tar.gz [10:23] .dropbox-dist/dropbox: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [10:23] concerned by: "you do not have execution permission for `./dropbox' " [10:23] that's because bash is confused [10:23] unless its just ldd being a bit stupid with its error [10:24] *nod* [10:24] -rwxr-xr-x 2 jb users 7987300 2010-04-07 04:02 dropbox* [10:24] sirslacker (1000@s0673.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [10:24] phrag, you need the 64-bit binary [10:24] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:24] Linux slack 2.6.33.1-smp #1 SMP Fri Mar 26 15:00:47 CDT 2010 i686 [10:25] phrag: Did you rebuild your kernel by chance? [10:25] i'm so confused... why do i need 64bit binary? [10:25] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/dropbox-client/ might be easier [10:25] phrag, oh, sorry - I thought you were on 64-bit [10:25] no, this is stock slack-current kernel [10:25] thrice`: was using that before, and it stopped working, which is why i am now tryign the dev version [10:25] phrag: tbh my next thought would be the possibility of the binary being corrupted [10:25] phrag do you have two dropbox files? seems it is executing the one in your homedir, is this what you want? [10:25] phrag: I use that in a stock -current and dowks [10:25] as suggested by the dropbox dev forum [10:26] *works [10:26] aha! [10:26] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:26] Action: Zordrak braces self [10:26] just found a /usr/bin/dropbox! [10:26] uk airspace is shut down from icelandic volcanic ash until friday night [10:26] .. [10:26] Skywise: and? [10:26] although that doesn't explain the execution peorblems [10:26] i'm starting from scratch [10:26] Permissions? [10:27] phrag, look at the perms of ./dropbox [10:27] -rwxr-xr-x [10:27] ^ [10:27] owned by me, users group [10:27] right! deleting everything and starting again =P [10:27] norway, sweden, denmark, finland are shut down too [10:27] Hmm... Very strange. [10:27] visc0 (~visc0@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:27] I think you binary is corrupted. [10:28] (thought you are on 64 bit too, got confused) [10:28] slava_dp: netherlands too [10:28] at home yeh, this is at work tho =) [10:28] uh [10:28] i think you are getting confuzzled with multiple dropbox files on your boxen [10:28] Skywise: netherlands too, belgium too, and I read some parts of germany too [10:28] organize yourself, marine! [10:28] in fact it is a 64bit laptop, with 32bit OS installed.. to add more confusion lol [10:29] its pretty drastic [10:29] thanks for the help tho guys =) [10:29] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] misczu (~misczu@internetlions.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:30] misczu (~misczu@internetlions.com) joined ##slackware. [10:30] 64bit cpu is 32bit agnostic [10:31] it doesn't care and automatically optimizes execution [10:31] dropbox is closed, innit? [10:31] Skywise: huh? [10:32] mancha, the gui frontend is open, the cli client (that the gui uses) is closed [10:32] -> the protocol is closed [10:33] the 64bit arch was designed to automatically optimize execution of 32bit code so companies would have a reason to upgrade without obsoleting their existing software inventory while still gaining the benefit of a 64bit cpu [10:33] Skywise: 1. This is not #bbcnews 2. "64bit cpu is 32bit agnostic" is rather vague and confusing to people who dont understand [10:33] otherwises they'd just buy faster 32bit cpus [10:33] right guys, i have a serious problem [10:33] i just created an echo script in my home dir, chmod +x and ./test.sh [10:34] and i get permission denied [10:34] phrag: `which bash` [10:34] phrag was thinking that running a 32bit os on a 64bit cpu would complicate matters and it doesn't [10:34] ls -l /home [10:34] in fact.. a combo: [10:35] ls -ld /home/jb; ls -la $(which bash) [10:36] Zordrak: 1. lolwut? 2. That's an accurate description, ANYTHING is vague and confusing if you don't understand. [10:36] lol [10:36] so many things....is /home on a separate partition mounted noexec? have /home perms or ownerships changed? c) etc etc etc [10:36] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [10:37] provide moar context [10:37] OMG! [10:37] ahaha, /home was mounted with noexec,nosuid,nodev [10:37] Someone set you up the bomb? [10:38] no, i added those attributes trying to be clever =P [10:39] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:39] haha [10:40] Zeracca (~zeracca@94.145.132.55) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:41] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [10:41] phrag: dude. weak. [10:42] i have bowed my head in shame =/ [10:42] jkwood: 1. the volcano stuf [10:42] Action: phrag shuffles off in disbelief [10:42] is no suid,nodev safe for /home ? [10:42] nosuid* [10:43] should be [10:43] Oh, okay. [10:43] safe? noexec is safe too, just not terribly useful at all times... [10:43] safe and useable i meant =P [10:43] =P [10:44] safe and usable are at opposite ends of the metric, you gotta find the balance you like personally. 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[11:37] right guys, i am having an argument with the office SA's abotu slackware single user mode, they are saying it is ridiculus to have to enter a password for single user mode... can someone give me some ammo ? [11:38] Sure do. That's where I put my personal scripts. [11:38] and what is the reason for this? [11:38] phrag: security? [11:38] and how long has it been liek this, apparently not always [11:38] jkwood++ [11:38] Zordrak: why? [11:38] if you have physical access [11:38] because you can put a BIOS password to prevent reboot into A N Other Media [11:39] but if someone gets local access then a quick init 1 and boom [11:39] but then i guess they need root to init 1 [11:39] Euthanatos (~chunk@67.236.115.230) joined ##slackware. [11:39] *shrug [11:39] what about physical access, moving the disk? [11:39] in the end you need to log on as *someone* [11:39] auto-root login is just bad [11:40] as long as you have physical access and the disc is not encrypted, it's pwned [11:40] but if you can just boot into a root shell anyway, or boot off another medium and erase the hash? [11:40] its definitely not ridiculoes to have a pwd on single-user.. [11:40] or rather, encrypted where a password is needed on restart [11:40] its just not necessarily required [11:40] so my question is, if you are booting into single user mode, why ask for a root pass? when all the other distro's don't? [11:41] phrag: what other distros? [11:41] yes, once you have physical access the game is over [11:41] redhat for one [11:41] Skywise: fail [11:41] You can't implement every security feature in the world. Taht doesn't mean you shouldn't implement basic ones. [11:41] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [11:41] Skywise: Thats what LUKS is for [11:41] Skywise: and BIOS passwords [11:42] why is it basic? if one can just mount the partition/ or pass /bin/sh to init? [11:42] phrag: That is RETARDED. [11:42] Skywise: and hard disk passwords [11:42] you know its possible to read live memory without shutting down the machine? [11:42] erm, please give me a little more ammo than 'that is RETARDED'... i'm trying to build a construtive arguement here and am losing [11:42] bhahaha [11:43] phrag: if nothing else... its a closed door [11:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:43] If a theif sees your door open.. he will cross the street to go in.. if its shut you cant see if its locked or net [11:43] hmm, i lose this arguement then [11:43] believing encryption and passwords can overcome physical access is just putting a blanket over your head [11:44] but if the door is on hinges that just lift off, whats the point in locking? [11:44] If the sysadmin wants to trade security for convenience, then that's his head. [11:44] Skywise: Encryption + Case-Access trigger + BIOS password is enough to secure anything as much as you will ever need to. [11:45] theyll get so far.. but not far enough [11:45] forget encryption, i am talkign about having a root password on single user mode [11:45] yeah cause you can never cut off a case [11:45] and if you hook up case-access trigger to an external alarm they only have so much time [11:45] lol [11:45] they won't even touch it [11:45] phrag: sorry.. busy beating Skywise around the head with his own moronic fuckwittery [11:45] grub/lilo password also, doesn't even let you get the stage of doing single user mode. [11:46] its just like those kryptonite locks you see with just the wheel on the street [11:46] you can pretend but its not true [11:46] when someone has physical access, you are compromised [11:46] thats because the owner of the bicycle was an idiot. [11:46] and theres a million ways to do it [11:46] why locks a wheel to the post? [11:46] Skywise: shush child [11:47] no, its because you can open a kryptonite lock with a pencap [11:47] them locks go though the back forks, though the wheel [11:47] i would like to see you do that.. to my kryptonite lock. [11:47] sometimes they'll just leave the lock [11:47] but, i will try it when i get home. [11:47] omg [11:47] acidchild: that's a well known hack [11:47] google it [11:47] its so old [11:47] and you dont think they have resolved that issue yet? [11:47] :) [11:47] no [11:47] acidchild: they haven't [11:47] yes. [11:47] phrag: how about this [11:47] acidchild: for several years [11:48] cause its a fundemental flaw of cylinder locks [11:48] yep [11:48] cylinder locks are bad [11:48] in-tar-est-ing [11:48] my key has them dents in it, like them security door ones. [11:48] phrag: root can run passwd without being prompted for their initial password. If you dont ask for a password to allow root in in single user mode, anyone can boot into single user, change the root password then reboot into multi user and go crazy [11:48] drilled out indents in the face, not the edge. [11:48] Action: hackedhead laughs when he sees staff running about with keyrings of cylinder keys [11:48] but like i was talking to Zordrak, what you know about security isn't a limitation for anyone else [11:49] Action: Zordrak wonders how much Skywise has been paid for their opinion on security. [11:49] Action: Zordrak thinks perhaps it is a small amount. [11:49] perhaps around $0. [11:49] you'd only guess that to soothe your ego [11:50] hackedhead: Kryptonite declined to comment, but in a statement, the company said it is rushing to market a new "disc-style cylinder" design that is more secure. The disc-style cylinder is used in the New York products. [11:50] Action: hackedhead would like to get paid to _not_ talk about security [11:50] but its not true, but i wouldn't go discussing my business with someone on the internet anyway [11:51] but anyone who has a security rating knows thats the standard [11:51] acidchild: rushing a new product to market huh? that inspires confidence. especially since they have such a solid history of high-performance locks. 0_o [11:51] Skywise: Your opinions on such matters are simplistic and immature. You have demonstrated that so many times in the last few months. Someone says something, a discussion starts up, you wade in with your size 12s making wild and innaccurate statements about topics you know only the surface off, often making eggregious errors in the process. [11:51] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:51] and that levels are designated by the time to breech [11:51] the 'new york' range is in stores now. [11:52] talk about over generalization [11:52] you don't have a security clearance [11:52] because everything i've said is basic [11:52] acidchild: do you work for Kryptonite or something? i don't get the defensiveness. they made some locks that sucked for a while. it happened. whatever. [11:53] hackedhead: no, i dont. but i take the security of my bike very seriously. [11:53] and did some research before investing in a lock. [11:53] acidchild: combo locks. nothing to pick/rake/slam [11:53] unless you take your bike with you, it can be stolen [11:53] d00dz wtf? [11:53] ALL locks are defeatable. [11:54] exactly [11:54] eviljames: yep [11:54] its all about discurragement, you can also smash them apart with a propellent. [11:54] it's a deterrent [11:54] Has nobody been to blackhat? They have amateur speed lockpicking competitions! [11:54] locks for only for honest people [11:54] Skywise: Now, that much is not true. [11:54] As acidchild mentions, it's all about deterrance. [11:54] Skywise: Remember to put that on your CIA application form. [11:54] but it would only deter the opportunistic [11:55] "Is it easier to steal the bike with a simple chain/combo lock, or one with a Kryptonite lock?" <- that's the tradeoff a thief makes. [11:55] you cannot respond about having a clearance cause you don't [11:55] and its obvious you don't [11:55] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:55] i use a flexable lock what can be cut for under 30minutes, i combine it with a u-lock for up to 3 hours and i use two plus a flex lock for overnight, or long stays. [11:56] take it inside [11:56] I keep my bike on my balcony. Steal that, bitches. [11:56] yeah [11:56] eviljames: it's not just about having a deterrent. At the same time you reduce the scope of threat to those capable of breaking the security. Every layer you add reduces the scope until your only concern is the most capable attacker. Then you make your job a lot easier to manage. [11:56] ahahaha, omg... my bike is so dirty 99% of the time [11:56] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:56] it can stay out ;x [11:56] such capability is a commodity [11:56] also, bike security can be bright pink paint. [11:57] lem1 (root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [11:57] lol [11:57] Zordrak: that is my opinion also, i was just looking for something tangible to use as a defense =P [11:57] Zordrak: Ah, very valid point. [11:57] hackedhead: haha, ducktape and a bad paint job. [11:57] i do that with my jackstands when i go racing [11:57] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] no branding and a bad color are not as saleable on the balck market [11:57] they're pink so they won't get stolen [11:57] cause if you have something cool looking it will get gone while you're on the track [11:57] all these RH heads say its stupid having a password on single user mode, i disagreed and said it's usefull but not fool proof [11:58] phrag: precisely. Its another layer. Each security layer is not fool proof.. but that doesnt mean its useless [11:58] if you can't deny physical access you can not be secure and you should act accordingly [11:58] like having locks on your house - it just keeps the honest people honest [11:58] yeh, i won that arguement even tho they disagree =P [11:59] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:59] its better to act as if you will be breached then as if you couldn't [11:59] phrag: Think about it like this. If you dant have a password on root in single user mode, then whats the point of having a password in multi-user mode for local terminals... all ttys might as well auto-login as root for local access [11:59] Naglfar (Severance@83.38.214.67) left ##slackware. [12:00] precisely the reason i use luks, i dont have any partiularly sensitive information, i just dont want anyone to be able to root it easily [12:00] phrag: same here [12:01] i do get very defensive of slackware in discussions with other linux geeks =P [12:01] plus if one day the company shuts down and the doors are locked.. all i haveto do is get my box powered off and no-one gets my data :) [12:01] esp not some moron who bought a hard drive off an administrator auction [12:01] they can take your whole rack without interrupting power [12:02] Skywise: stop being a moron. Im not talking about omgz the NSA are cumming! must runsnhidez!!111 [12:02] it doesn't take nsa to run a vampire tap on a power cord [12:03] man [12:03] waitasec. Are you talking about the rsa vuln that has to do with voltage variance? [12:03] i did cry today when i switched run levels and lost my 10 window screen session [12:03] you really don't know whats up [12:03] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:03] so quit trying to talk down to me [12:03] Skywise: and precisely why do i give a fuck? if administrators come in there not here to hax0r data.. theyre here to sell the assets to whoever will buy them for as much as they can [12:04] *their [12:04] who's even talking about why [12:04] Skywise: If you're making reference to the RSA voltage variance attack? [12:04] who cares why they do it [12:04] yeh, lets get things into perpective... there is personal security, and high level military/gov grade security... i do not need the later. [12:04] all i'm saying is that when someone has physical access, they can own your machine [12:05] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] yeh we established that awhile back =P [12:05] yeah you can keep your roomates and bosses out [12:05] Screw you you self-obsessed over-inflated douchebag. I've had enough of your whinings. You're on ignore till i store up some extra giveafuck [12:05] ouch [12:05] calm down guys [12:05] i'm bleedin all over [12:05] he's having a hissy fit [12:05] bitch fight [12:05] no need to get heated =) [12:05] i was gonna say [12:05] only a bitch is gonna announce putting someone on ignore [12:06] Zordrak: You were the one who attacked him orginally. You have NO room to talk. [12:06] like oh noes, i'm insulted [12:06] he's just acting out cause he got smacked down [12:06] jkwood: i dont see it. ive been fending him off for a couple of months now [12:06] lol [12:07] None of this has anything to do with slackware, frankly, so can you all STFU anyway? [12:07] its a struggle to the death [12:07] adamk: im with that [12:07] /rl/ul [12:11] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [12:11] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:12] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [12:12] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest79666 [12:15] aveng3r (~avenger@189.121.228.162) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Action: phrag prompts init[1] for a password [12:15] phrag: heh [12:15] hehe [12:16] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Sushiyant (~samiz@unaffiliated/sushiyant) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Sushiyant (samiz@unaffiliated/sushiyant) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:24] phrag: pm? [12:24] sure [12:25] Action: eviljames watches a tumbleweed roll by [12:26] thats my tumble weed! [12:26] Action: eviljames punches phrag [12:26] phrag: You know NOTHING of tumbleweed securing best practices! It's MY tumbleweed. [12:26] lol [12:27] its whoever has their hands on it [12:34] eviljames: no multiuser tumble weed? =( [12:36] no. that's vulnerable. [12:37] tumbleweeds are quite flammable and need firewalling [12:37] Action: Ratrophy watches said tumbleweed bounce across the interstate and get plowed by a truck [12:37] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:40] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:42] What was the name of that plug computer? [12:42] Sheevaplug? Something like that? [12:42] sheevaplug [12:43] merci! [12:43] guruplug is the newest [12:43] what does the --build string passed to configure in the slackbuilds scripts? [12:43] its more suited for a lamp server, its got 2 gbit ethernet ports... [12:43] CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@about/windows/regular/CodeBlock) left irc: Quit: Changing server [12:43] and is it anywhere in the system [12:43] CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@about/windows/regular/CodeBlock) joined ##slackware. [12:44] DarkDevil (~just@ns.ufop.br) joined ##slackware. [12:45] CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@about/windows/regular/CodeBlock) left irc: Client Quit [12:46] anybody know how can i run slackware like desktop not dos ? [12:47] startx [12:47] lol [12:47] :P [12:47] damn a slackware doing dos .... what a shame [12:48] DarkDevil, you can change your default init mode to 4 instead of 3 [12:48] wow... [12:48] aham.. [12:48] Tusk: Slackware running dosbox is win. [12:48] okej.. thanks guys [12:48] your welcome [12:49] you're [12:49] darkdevil, you can do by editing your /etc/inittab [12:49] DarkDevil: where it says default init. [12:50] if you are in dos use the edit command. [12:51] lol [12:53] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:53] its rc.4 [12:53] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware. [12:53] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [12:53] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [12:54] what? [12:54] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:54] you don't need to edit rc.4 [12:55] i change it [12:55] it was 3 [12:56] now its 4 [12:56] good [12:57] now its working.. [12:58] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) joined ##slackware. [12:58] thank u Skywise and wario [12:58] for helping [12:59] yw [12:59] no problem [13:00] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) left irc: Client Quit [13:00] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [13:04] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:07] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: You make your own luck in life. [13:08] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:09] im out [13:09] later Zordrak [13:13] has anyone here tried installing w3m on their system? [13:15] newp. Is that the console browser? [13:17] eviljames: yup [13:18] elinks doesn't render as well as lynx on my system, but lynx doesn't have frames, so i was wondering [13:18] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Changing host [13:18] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Down_ (~franco@190.137.165.66) joined ##slackware. [13:22] zepfred (~Fred@200.131.208.34) joined ##slackware. [13:23] zepfred (Fred@200.131.208.34) left ##slackware. [13:24] stu_: ahh... well, I don't use it.. lynx or links is usually enough for me.. if a site doesn't work in lynx it doesn't work at all IMHO. [13:26] w3m can do images in console if you compile it with imlib2 [13:27] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-201-131.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:28] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] nix_chix0r: Gowd day 2 u sir [13:33] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [13:34] uhh [13:34] acidchild: I think you're a little confused... [13:36] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-iszvgoxqiquuxkiu) joined ##slackware. [13:37] sahk0: about w3m, did you install gc.h too? [13:37] estranho (~diogo@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:37] stu_: gc, the c garbage collector is a dependency of w3m [13:38] sahk0: okay. gonna try it now [13:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:41] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.9.38.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:42] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:42] what sites/forums do you guys go to for linux/slackware news/updates? [13:42] wow that's a lot of "/'s" [13:44] most questions are asked on linuxquestions.org [13:44] idk about news really [13:44] changelog.txt [13:45] aveng3r (avenger@189.121.228.162) left ##slackware. [13:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] stu_: Somewhere, someone will tell you how to get the ChangeLog.txt in RSS format. Add an RSS feed to your desktop (assuming kde4 :P) and get up to the second info. [13:50] okay cool [13:51] |jeagoss| (jef@173.172.203.165) joined ##slackware. [13:51] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:52] Someone in here wrote a computer Forensics guide, right? Anyone know who or where the link would be? [13:53] That's Barry. [13:53] wha.. gnome is desktop of the year? [13:53] jkwood: linuxleo.com, right? [13:54] Yeah, that one. [13:54] stu_: no that was 10 years ago :p [13:54] Can't for the life of me remember his irc nick. [13:54] Action: SpacePlod <--- [13:54] Nick change: |jeagoss| -> jeagoss [13:54] look out! There's a fed in the room! [13:54] geez! where? [13:55] Oh yeah! Hi SpacePlod. =) [13:55] Hi jkwood [13:55] SpacePlod: I jest, of course :P That's a super handy site. Top notch work. [13:55] thanks. I'm actually almost done with the revision (been working on it for over a year now) [13:56] Sweet deal. I should be in a position to play with it some more soon. [13:56] change in jobs (about to happen again) really got in the way of keeping it up to date. [13:57] Boy I know how that goes. I just started up on Spinlock again, thanks to real-life interruptions. [14:00] jkwood: Spinlock? (google was not overly helpful) [14:00] http://slaxer.com/comic.php [14:01] It's the first result for "Spinlock comic" at least, though I hope to get it up to first-page status for "spinlock" (unlikely.) [14:02] acidchild, hai 2 u back plz [14:02] nice! [14:03] (And yes, my site is currently broken, working on that too.) [14:03] The PHP to Ruby conversion didn't go as smoothly as I'd hoped for that. [14:05] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [14:07] fonseg (~bnguyen@113.23.41.233) joined ##slackware. [14:08] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Kaapa (~Something@bl5-183-253.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:09] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:09] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:09] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-107-216.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:10] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [14:11] how a .desktop just contain the name of icon for the program, not the full path, i.e "/usr/share/applications/inkscape.desktop" has "Icon=inkscape" not "Icon=/usr/share/pixmap/inkscape.png" ? [14:13] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.232.63) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:14] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] I'm trying to apply a patch in a slackbuild. The slackbuild I got from slackbuilds.org, so I'm just adding "patch -p1 < patch.dff" right above the configure step, but it's stalling right before the configure step (I'm guessing from the patch) what's the correct way to apply a patch via a slackbuild? [14:16] Reticenti, try with: patch -Np1 -i $CWD/patch.diff [14:16] oh [14:17] I actually had patch -p1 > patch.dff [14:17] :| [14:17] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:17] Nick change: DarkDevil -> darkdevil [14:17] so now it works lol [14:17] Nick change: darkdevil -> DarkDevil [14:17] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Action: Reticenti is stupid [14:18] v4nelle (~van@79.107.222.195) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:19] from where is obtained the string i486-slackware-linux ? [14:20] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware. [14:20] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [14:20] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Eddie_Grey (~usuario@187.23.102.89) joined ##slackware. [14:20] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] dont forget the part of "exit if applying the patch fails", Reticenti [14:22] yeah I did || exit 1 after that [14:22] k, just checking. [14:24] strato_ (~strato@g228147006.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:27] yeh, what's that directory about.. i486-slackware-linux [14:27] it just has symlinks to binaries like apr [14:28] I think that I have seen that string displayed by a program or somewhere else [14:28] but I cannot remember [14:29] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:30] gcc [14:31] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [14:31] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:34] jkwood: mind if I ask a touch more about said spinlock? [14:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:36] anyone has google-chrome installed [14:37] dissociative: chromium here [14:37] I want to install but the dependences in slackware seem something that I wouldnt want to install [14:37] like what? [14:38] its called orbit2 [14:38] yeah you need orbit2 and gconf [14:39] does chrome uses gtk? [14:39] yes [14:39] install them with sbopkg [14:40] yes it uses gtk [14:40] I think it uses GTK [14:41] http://bit.ly/a5o0RW << if you want to build chromium yourself i made a slackbuild [14:41] I have the one from slackbuilds already [14:41] heh, chromium says the https cert is not valid for that site [14:42] Reticenti: self made one [14:42] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:42] dissociative: slackbuilds one just unpack/repack the binary package from google [14:43] yes [14:44] compiling is more fun :) [14:45] now I want the dirty and quick way [14:45] ^^ [14:46] Down_ (~franco@190.137.165.66) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [14:46] can't compile chrome, but you can compile chromium [14:47] if I install xz in a slackware version earlier than 13.0 woul pkgtools manage txz packages? [14:47] eviljames: Sure, sorry about the wait, just got back from lunch. [14:47] no [14:48] dissociative: You'd have to install the newer pkgtools as well. [14:48] jkwood: No worries, man. I saw the image and was left thoroughly confused :P [14:48] bah [14:48] better I would upgrade to 13.0 [14:48] that's a lame reason to upgrade :) [14:48] to have access to .txz packages directly [14:49] that's also the first step of an upgrade [14:49] I have been to be grabing stuff from 13.0 [14:49] eviljames: Go back two comics and note the date. Then note the art style similarity of the second most recent comic. ;) [14:49] like firefox 3.6, libcurl and others [14:49] jkwood: heh k. [14:49] This is the beginning of a storyline to explain certain happening. [14:50] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:50] jkwood: ahh gotcha. Gonna give randall a run for his money? :P [14:51] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:51] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Can I or aliens help with this http://packages.slackware.it/ , who's working on this btw ? [14:52] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] aliens? [14:52] Mebbe. He also has a Linode, so I'm going to make sure to spam links the next time I see him. ;) [14:53] alienBOB: do you know ? [14:54] xsamurai: huh? [14:55] I think that firefox should be like the software used most of the time on a slackware desktop [14:55] eviljames: click on the link, how dare you huh me sir! [14:56] xsamurai: not under my control, that site [14:56] i've been seeing this under development message for evaaaa, im pretty decent with django and myself going to start messing with haystack thought I bring my pitch fork to help out [14:56] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:57] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [14:58] alienBOB: thanks I assumed it would be someone in here [14:59] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:01] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:01] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [15:01] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [15:02] xsamurai: no, the maintainer never visits here [15:03] just emailed their general contact info, if the project is dead or unfinished I can pick it up [15:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:04] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:06] n0w0nd3r_ (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:06] I know there is not package manager on slackware, however, what kind of method do you use when compiling applications, do you compile into /usr/local ? do you try and use svn when possible, to make updating easier [15:06] *no [15:07] very different sorts of questions. one is hw you organize your local fs hierarchy (thats a personal issue). the second is what kind of source you use (stbale releases vs svn which is usually up-to-date yet no necessarilly stable) [15:08] sorry or all the typos, i am on a machine where my fingers are about 34 times the size of the keys [15:09] dustybin: uhmm, pkgtools is a package manager [15:10] alienBOB: he has done frequently in the past =) [15:11] dustybin: We have a package manager. What we don't have is automated dependency resolution. [15:14] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:14] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] am i right in thinking, that every single tool / application on slackware is vanilla, and only patched when necessary ? [15:15] phrags: many years ago.... [15:15] is there some kind of announcement when Slackware versions are EOL'd ? has anyone seen anything like that? [15:15] alienBOB: make me feel old =P [15:15] No official anoouncements are made sahk0 [15:15] zepfred (~Fred@200.131.208.34) joined ##slackware. [15:15] dustybin, thats the rule vs the exception, i'd say [15:16] alienBOB: how do people get informed then? [15:16] sahk0: mailing list, news feeds [15:16] many security patches though, so, no it is not 100% vanilla source [15:16] well, thats expected [15:16] does slackware do what debian does with applications? [15:17] No idea sahk0 - versions back until 8.0 are getting updates still, although not every bug in 8.0 will get patched (modern software will just not compile always) [15:17] phrags: what about if Pat decides to stop supporting Slackware 8.1 today though and theres some critical openssl vulnerability tomorrow? [15:17] sahk0: so what?////// [15:17] If you still run 8.0 then I assume that you are already patching that OS heavily [15:18] thats probably true [15:18] sahk0: so you compile your own builds/patches [15:18] visc0 (~visc0@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:18] and possibly use the buildscripts that come with the OS to recompile your patched one [15:19] if you so choose... i don't know anyone running 8.1 though, although i'm sure there are still a few work horses kicking about =P [15:19] zepfred (~Fred@200.131.208.34) left irc: Quit: Saindo [15:19] i mostly asked cause Pat essentially supports 14! versions of Slackware.. [15:19] 12 releases + 2 current branches [15:19] sahk0, your question is a very good one which is tied into a larger question which is that there is no official policy regarding maintenance/security update windows for past products [15:20] so you don't know what has been EOL'd cause you never knew was was L'd [15:20] 8.0 is still supported? i thought it stopped at 8.1 [15:20] ananke: i think so too. at least according to the mirrors [15:21] also, the degree of support is fuzzy (at least to me). what is clear is that some updates get applied many versions back while others do not. it is not always a matter of possibility but seems to be correlated to difficulty. [15:21] 8.1 was such a popular release that people have asked pat to keep it maintained [15:22] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] i have one question [15:22] can anyone tell me why its this ? [15:22] root@(none):~/eggdrop1.6.19# cat [15:22] Segmentation fault [15:23] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:24] mancha: which windows? MS ? [15:25] i meant "window" as in a window of time, a period of time. [15:25] oh let me read that again then :p [15:25] zepfred (~Fred@200.131.208.34) joined ##slackware. [15:25] fonseg (~bnguyen@113.23.41.233) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:25] zepfred (~Fred@200.131.208.34) left irc: Client Quit [15:27] simplex (~simplex@78.46.45.123) left irc: Quit: x [15:28] it was bad wording, all i meant to say is you've no way to know when somethig is EOL'd because you were never told how long the "life" of the product was going to be to start. [15:28] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@115.113.57.139) joined ##slackware. [15:28] i havent been following the patches on earlier versions but i always assumed the reason for not getting all the updates the later versions did was that they werent affected [15:28] and this is tied in to no a priori policy on length of time old releases will be maintained. [15:29] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [15:29] no, there are things that are unpatched and vulnerable [15:30] DarkDevil: damaged cat? damaged libraries? bed memory? could be a number of things [15:30] you mean like for example that you know opensuse version foo is gonna be supported for 18 months and stuff like that [15:31] fully supported* [15:31] yeah that would be somewhat useful [15:31] there are many ways to establish these, one is "product xyz will be supported until 2012" or "product version 1 will be supported for 18 months after release of version 2" etc etc [15:32] mozilla uses the latter model, many linux distribs the former [15:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:32] GeneralTso (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [15:34] now you can also establish minimums and then continue beyond that if you want (at least people know not to _expect_ it beyond the minimum) [15:34] ananke i just install slackware [15:35] for example, the 3.0.x branch of firefox was maintained beyond 6 months after the release of 3.5.x (ie. beyond mozilla's minimum policy) [15:35] and when i try it give me like this.. i reinstallit using dvdrom [15:35] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.46.29.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:35] mancha: yeah that sounds way better [15:35] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] As long as most people do not pay for Slackware, there is little hope that Pat will be able to pay the team that would be required to fully support older releases the way Redhat or SuSE do [15:37] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [15:37] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) left irc: Changing host [15:37] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [15:37] alienBOB: you mean that the latest version is the only one thats fully supported. eg. not even 12.2 ? [15:38] Don't put words in my mouth [15:38] ok:) ill ask something else then. [15:38] Good [15:40] alienBOB: i read your presentation for t-dose. at the point you mention the gnome removal, you hint that kde might not be part of Slackware forever. was that to 'not displease' gnome users, or that its been discussed even as a possibility cause its getting to cumbersome to maintain ? :) [15:40] Don't put worms in his mouth, either. They're yucky. [15:40] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [15:40] it seemed like offtopic [15:40] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:41] its a wonderful presentation btw, but that part made me wonder 'now why did he say that?' :) [15:41] KDE's place in Slackware was discussed sahk0 [15:41] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [15:41] I don't think you could say anything will be i slackware forever. [15:41] Exactly like I wrote it [15:42] ok, thanks for satisfying my curiosity [15:42] i think slackware does very well given the relative size of the team (and i think this becomes more and more challenging as linux grows more complex). [15:42] i dont think noones denying that. after all, we use it.. [15:42] i also think that given this, if you like slackware and want to use it and keep it current, you must be willing to invest personal time to patching, etc and not expect this all to be done upstream (at the distro level) [15:43] s/noones/anyones [15:44] more important if you're using it for a production server...where pathching sec holes is critical. for this you might end up opting for a larger distrib though... [15:44] mancha: true, unless you are using latest stable imo [15:44] then i would expect to get 100% [15:45] Eddie_Grey (~usuario@187.23.102.89) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:45] Nick change: notKlaatu -> klaatu [15:45] sahk0, i am not overly familiar with this reality as i am usually lagging...i am not one who upgrades often (distrib versions that is) [15:49] changing gears slightly, anyone here a big vim fan? if so, big enough to have made vim color scheme files before? [15:49] before what? [15:49] oh i use inkpot [15:50] so you've not made one of your own? [15:50] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) left irc: Quit: Yo ho ho it's time to go! [15:50] no inkpot is nice in black background [15:50] and 256 colours* [15:51] any reason you all know of why pat doesn't default to a 256color xterm? [15:53] i dont think he likes colors on terminals iirc he even says that in the elvis.SlackBuild(?). i had sent him a feature request a couple of weeks ago about adding xterm and screen 256 colour support is DIR_COLORS [15:53] hasnt replied to that request, but it doesnt bother me its easy to add it yourself [15:54] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:55] # Turn off color highlighting by default. I can't imagine editing files like [15:55] # that all day... (this coming from the inventor of /etc/(DIR|LS)_COLORS ;-) [15:55] mancha: if you pardon my pun: he likes teen colours [15:55] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.143.8) joined ##slackware. [15:56] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:57] changing defaults behavior is different from not compiling in support though :) [15:58] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-iszvgoxqiquuxkiu) left irc: Quit: Go go go go go [15:59] is there anything you guys don't like about archlinux ? [15:59] trash80 (~ubuntu@122-124-129-196.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] That it's not slackware. [15:59] dustybin: does it matter? [15:59] i just wondered [15:59] Is that not an odd question to ask in a Slackware channel? [16:00] i just want you guys to say something to put me off of it :D [16:00] shemp: if he asks in #archlinux the fanboys will just reply 'Arch rocks!!1 zomg' [16:00] dustybin: Why? You can't think for yourself? [16:00] :D [16:00] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.21.128) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:01] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] slackware has a good security record? [16:01] dustybin: google archlinux complaints then [16:01] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0F803.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] archlinux is always cutting edge, i dont like the sound of that [16:02] Slackware has never patched security vulnerabilities into software, anyway. [16:02] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-173-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [16:02] lol [16:02] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:02] dustybin: I'm not fond of their policy of versioning pre-release software as if it were release versions. [16:02] I agree with sahk0 - it's a fair question, if it's genuine. Arch is one of the better distros IMO but I don't care for its relative instability (it's a really rolling release) and I don't care for pacman (though, again, it's pretty good for a dep-resolving package manager, but it's still a dep-resolving package manager). [16:03] sorry about length [16:03] arch was good before chinese noticed it [16:03] it's story is like gentoo [16:03] slakmagik: more or less true, but due to my prior record with Arch i wont comment further:) [16:04] slackware is not rolling release, that means everything should be much more stable than arch [16:04] sahk0: okay :) [16:04] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.221.90) joined ##slackware. [16:04] well, actually slack-current is more stable than Arch, to me [16:04] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0F803.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Client Exiting [16:04] but slack-stable is waaay more stable, naturally [16:05] how does slackware compare with arch with security? [16:05] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] dustybin: Arch tries to achieve security by always using the latest version of software, for the most part [16:05] hmmm [16:06] security patches are still applied if theres no recent release [16:06] is there something more secure than debian stable? [16:06] is there anything you guys don't like about archlinux ? << the jackass devs ? [16:06] trash80: redhat stable? [16:06] Tusk: :D [16:07] redhat is a racist and it's dead [16:07] RHEL [16:07] don't even think about it [16:07] why not? [16:07] for the country [16:07] hahahaha [16:07] Action: dustybin empties trash80 [16:08] i would tell the government that don't buy redhat [16:08] Ifind a sort of irony in that. [16:08] if their stuid heads don't know the stroy [16:08] story [16:09] boycott is the best blessing [16:10] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:11] do slackware users have beards, and where shorts, with long yellow socks and sandles? [16:11] *wear [16:11] trash80: did you smoke bad weed or what?// [16:12] cat dusybin trash80 > /dev/null [16:13] dustybin: slackware has chicks [16:13] blonde blue eyed swedish girls with long legs and a masters degree in computing [16:14] would you like some meatballs with your slackware? [16:14] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] I do have a beard, and wear shorts sometimes, but I have no yellow socks to wear with my sandals. [16:15] fried chicken and some slackware for me please. [16:16] I have a beard, and do wear shorts, but I don't wear sandals and if I did, no socks [16:17] slackware is the longest running linux distro! [16:17] do any of you have yellow beards though [16:17] I don't have a beard. [16:17] I have blond, brown and red in my beard. [16:17] why are there only 290 users in this channel? [16:17] because not everyone stays in irc all of the time? [16:17] dustybin is a troll (i'm sure of it nnow) [16:17] Because some users have a life. [16:17] ananke scared the rest away. [16:17] dustybin: start asking better servers or you'll be served off [16:17] mancha: not a troll, just wondering [16:18] questions* :-) [16:18] bull, all your Q's are to try to get people here defensive [16:18] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:18] nope [16:18] you're just trolling [16:18] and not very good at it [16:18] mancha: I'm more just amused by it, TBH [16:18] indeed [16:18] i think everybody trolls from time to time [16:18] but i hate the word troll [16:19] Most trolls do. [16:19] the reason why there are not many users in this channel because everybody has been sucked into distros like ubuntu, only the real men / women are left :D [16:20] *yawn* [16:20] go troll elsewhere [16:21] is cavetroll one word? [16:21] meh its not:) [16:21] but anything goes on the internet [16:21] fridgetroll :) [16:23] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Changing host [16:23] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Nick change: DarkDevil -> darkdevil [16:25] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:25] sdb1 (~mobile@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:27] Action: slava_dp is thinking of getting a dvd subscription to support PV. [16:27] Action: sahk0 has one since 12.0 [16:29] too bad that patches/ on the disk do not get synced :-) [16:30] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:31] lol [16:31] i have only used the 12.0 one a couple of times for maintainance. the others are still shrinkwrapped [16:31] i am back [16:32] Action: trash80 played salesmen to die [16:32] sahk0, are there no secret mails to root inside the package? :) [16:32] trash80 (ubuntu@122-124-129-196.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware. [16:33] not afaik, just the dvd [16:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:34] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:37] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:37] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. 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[16:57] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:58] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:59] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:00] mmayhew (~mmayhew@uno.mmayhew.com) joined ##slackware. [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-220.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] is there a command to reinstall a package or do I have to do removepkg and installpkg [17:06] upgradepkg --reinstall [17:06] Or installlpkg, one of those. [17:08] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.46.29.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [17:09] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [17:09] does anyone know of a program like tsocks that supports UDP with SOCKS5? [17:10] I just installed lastest firefox version but I forgot to change all the files to root:root... [17:11] I'm paranoid then I reinstall it again from a repackaging [17:11] i have two network connections at my apartment that are both accessed wirelessly(i use a laptop). i have a desktop with two NICs, and I want to be able to tunnel all of my downloads through the desktop to the second internet connection. that way, the downloads can use the faster connection, while i browse the web and use irc from the slower connection [17:12] however, most of my downloads are over bittorrent, so while I am able to contact the tracker with tsocks wrapping my bittorrent client, i am unable to download anything. any ideas? [17:13] don't use socks [17:14] mancha: use what then? a vpn? [17:14] nat [17:15] dissociative: that won't work from my laptop. i'd have to tether myself to an ethernet jack [17:15] ok, if i understand your desktop is your "router" ? [17:15] klaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:15] mancha: no. i guess the real problem is that it isn't the router. [17:15] ok so how do you access these two connections? [17:15] oscillator (~oscillato@244.Red-79-148-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] mancha: it just has two NICs, so it can connect to both the slow and fast connection. my laptop is on the slow network, and I am using ssh -ND localhost:localport dekstopip from my laptop [17:16] hi goog afternoon [17:16] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:17] i either need a bittorrent client that supports socks5 for downloading(i keep finding ones that only support socks for the tracker), or find a wrapper program like tsocks that supports udp. [17:17] ok, laptop is only on slow conn (and lan) and desktop is on fast, slow and lan [17:17] mancha: basically. the slow connection is the lan(i have a wireless routing unit for that connection) [17:18] the fast connection has a different wireless router [17:18] do you have two ways to get to the internet?! [17:18] and i want to use the desktop that has two NICs to expose the fast connection to my laptop over the slow connection's lan [17:18] mancha: weird roommates. long story. [17:18] i am trying to distinguish between wan and lan here [17:19] please help me help you! :) [17:19] mancha: there are two lans. the laptop is on the lan which has access to the slow connection [17:20] the desktop is on the lan with the fast connection and the lan with the slow connection [17:20] ok, i have a better idea now [17:20] i want to be able to tunnel bittorrent traffic through the desktop from the laptop, thus using the fast connection for bittorrents and the slow connection for all other internet access from the laptop [17:21] zaltekk: So use rtorrent + screen? [17:21] but i can't find a bittorrent client or a tsocks-like wrapper application that will let me forward the UDP [17:21] what part of the torrent protocol is udp'd? [17:21] eviljames: i am trying to move from that to downloading right onto the laptop [17:21] mancha: TCP connects to the tracker to get peers. UDP downloads the data. [17:21] unthrottled [17:22] udp downloads data? wow. didn't realize this. [17:23] mancha: Yeah, udp doesn't have the overhead of TCP. [17:23] Because of that, it's slightly more efficeint, which makes a big difference when transferring large amounts of data. [17:23] mancha: am i wrong? i just assumed since it would make more sense than tcp and i've tested tsocks which only forwards tcp [17:23] and found that only the tracker connection makes it through [17:24] have you tried a socks-capable client like azureus (ap?) [17:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] mancha: as far as i saw, the socks-supporting clients only support socks for the tracker [17:24] maybe i should do more bittorrent client searching, since the wrapper search has been a deadend for udp [17:25] tsocksis tcp only and has been unmaintained since he paleolithic era [17:25] I've wrapped bittorrent traffic in a ssh tunnel before. Can't remember what I used, though. [17:25] mancha: socks5 supports udp [17:25] zal that's not inconsistent with that i said [17:26] which is, again: tsocks is _unmaintained_ [17:26] oh, you said tsocks. yes, that is correct. [17:26] (emphasis added) [17:26] sorry, i missed the t the first time i read it [17:26] ohdannyboy (~ohdannybo@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] so i would suggest looking for socks-aware clients and not wrappers (my advice) [17:26] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [17:27] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:27] zaltekk: http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-over-ssh-071014/ [17:28] I *know* that I have done this on Linux with one or more clients. [17:28] jkwood: okay. it looks like i just haven't found a good enough bittorrent client. 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[17:51] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:51] muncha its ok no irc nazi will come get you [17:51] ok xsorrymai [17:51] no mai mai here [17:53] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:54] you know as much as I loathe debian , I really like the apache2 layout [17:55] whats wrong with /var/lib/apache as god intended [17:57] nothing, but its easier to maintain large sites in multiple files instead of one [17:57] big file [17:57] same thing interms of work just a matter of preference [17:58] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:08] psYcker (~psYcker@201.165.73.131) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [18:09] All hail Slackware! [18:09] Action: Ratrophy sacrifices the ENIAC to it [18:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:12] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:14] fatherx (~father@kxcolg00-01.knet.vse.cz) joined ##slackware. [18:16] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.29.143) joined ##slackware. [18:17] so I got a new soudcard, (PCI) plugged it in, works great, but now my firewire pci card is not working.... how do I troubleshoot to get both to work? [18:17] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:17] and i need the firewire because thats my external dvd burner [18:18] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:18] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [18:18] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:18] did you reset your escd devices? [18:18] ummm, no... whats escd? [18:18] go in bios [18:19] and usually under peripherals or something like that [18:19] ok, i just need to say reset or someting? [18:19] thing [18:19] theres an option to reset or rescan the pci bus [18:20] oh ok [18:21] PCIPnP? [18:21] yeah [18:22] doesnt say anything about reset, just Plug and play O/S yes [18:22] init display first = PCI-E [18:22] theres nothing about update? [18:22] KaMii: the BIOS usually has the option to reset the DMI data; do that [18:22] then look under advanced option [18:22] It sounds like you may need to ensure the cards are properly seated. [18:22] and resources controlled by auto [18:23] Occasionally one will come out when putting in another card. [18:23] archlinux = unstable slackware = stable [18:24] im not seeing anything about DMI [18:25] dguitar (~dguitar@cpe-76-178-242-76.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:25] what motherboard do you have? [18:25] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [18:27] does anyone knows if googlebot also crawls into txt files? [18:28] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [18:28] KaMii: it may be named differently, but the difference can be seen when you cold boot. [18:28] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:28] ASUS 8n-e [18:29] is there an enumerate devices option [18:32] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:33] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:35] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:36] ok its working now [18:36] it must have come loose [18:36] when I plugged the other one in [18:36] so now I screwed them both down [18:36] thats always a good idea [18:37] and i usually make sure all the cables and memory is well seated [18:37] figures its something dumb like that [18:37] better that then a real problem [18:37] ya, i need to get a new fan also, one of them is sounding really bad [18:37] like berring is going or something [18:37] :S [18:37] yeah, usually what happens is a seal goes bad [18:38] or a bushing [18:38] oh well those are cheap at least [18:38] fans are better to replace than the stuff they are cooling [18:38] you can pop the label off the back and undo the plastic circlip [18:38] then the blades come out and you just put some heavy grease on it [18:38] im not sure what the fan is cooling [18:38] its not the cpu [18:38] like white lithium [18:38] chipset [18:39] ya chipset [18:39] its small but makes a loud noise [18:39] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:39] yeah, if you clean it and grease it up, it will run fine [18:39] i dont trust myself enough to put oil on things that are close to electrical things [18:40] don't do it while its running for starters [18:40] its cleaned. I clean all my fans with qtips on a regular basis [18:40] you don't clean under it [18:40] hahaa, ya well im not about to touch anything while its running [18:40] but its just 4 screws to take the fan off the heatsink [18:41] and you can use a jewler's screwdriver to lift off the circlip [18:41] ya, i should do that [18:41] maybe this weekend [18:41] when i have nothing better to do [18:41] yeah, its easy to do [18:41] you can still get a new one if you want [18:41] but lubing the old one is cake, you can use vasoline if you don't have white lithium [18:42] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:42] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [18:43] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:44] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] greetings and salutations [18:44] you know in mac OS X you can apply label colors to folders and files. I have been looking for the same thing for KDE [18:44] fatherx (~father@kxcolg00-01.knet.vse.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:45] i found something for folder colors, but nothing for files, is there a way to get that? [18:45] because I really like that feature and want it on my linux box [18:46] mach_kern|laptop (~mach_kern@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:52] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-211-139.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:52] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:52] acidchild (~ash@septic.ziwall.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:53] acidchild (~ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:55] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.103) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:55] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:57] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.192) joined ##slackware. [18:58] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:00] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:00] oscillator (~oscillato@244.Red-79-148-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [19:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [19:02] blah, i guess that was not the problem because the firewire is still not there [19:02] KaMii: Add it to the KDE Wishlist [19:02] KaMii: Nothing says it can't be done, just doesn't seem to be implemented yet. [19:02] but on bootup, i had a dvd in the drive and it spun the drive as linux was booting [19:02] so I thought that meant it found it [19:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421441.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:03] KaMii: Also, no messages in dmesg about firewire? no ieee1394 modules loading? [19:04] ok nevermind it does find it [19:04] but here is the problem [19:04] its a blank dvd [19:04] So burn something to ti. [19:04] and now kde 4.2 is not able to mount? or something [19:04] s/ti/it/ [19:04] k3b worked just fine in kde 3.5.10 [19:05] 4.2 or 4.4.2 ? [19:05] but now I think all that mounding is under hal right? [19:05] You're on slackware 13.0? [19:05] and HAL is... well he is making life hard [19:05] ya 13 [19:05] kde 4.2 [19:05] You're in the groups cdrom and plugdev? [19:05] no [19:05] but root was not even able to mount it [19:05] mount the blank dvd? [19:06] oh, blah its late im not thinking [19:06] :D [19:07] Step 1: think. Step 2: RTFM. Step 3: Google. Step 4: Ask on IRC :P [19:07] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [19:08] iow you can't mount a blank disc [19:08] step one, make sure you are rested [19:08] lolx [19:09] Hello everyone!! [19:10] Anyone have Trendnet USB to 10/100Mbps adapter? [19:11] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:15] vdvluc (~luc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:17] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:19] phoenix^ (~jmr@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:20] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [19:20] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:20] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Greetings Programs! [19:21] we are users not programs! you watch too much tron [19:22] lusers [19:22] get it right [19:22] says the guy in the same room as the rest of us [19:22] it's not a room, luser [19:23] get it right! [19:24] its a magical mistery ride [19:24] it's a miserable majesty ride [19:24] and for some it's s/mistery/misery ;) [19:24] :P [19:25] lol [19:25] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [19:25] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:26] tybalt89 (~rick@p3m/member/tybalt89) joined ##slackware. [19:26] no misewry is me after dropping my new safe on my foot getting it into the house :) [19:26] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [19:27] yeah that will do it [19:28] fortunatly it didn't fall far, just a couple of inches [19:28] and i isn't that large [19:28] about 90# [19:29] whats the best way to add my user to a group? i never done that before [19:29] gpasswd or usermod [19:31] gpasswd for one group or if you have list then usermod is better [19:31] read man pages though [19:32] and what they don't always tell you - log out of everything, X and all consoles after adding to group [19:34] or i can just use the gui in KDE [19:34] lol [19:34] dunno never done it that way [19:35] but if it works, use igt [19:35] it [19:35] I wouldn't use the gui .. vigr could work as well ;) [19:37] there is that too [19:38] im trying to get k3b setup, but idk.... [19:38] it's good to see the format of /etc/group so you know what the other commands are doing [19:38] they chaned it in 4+ [19:39] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] ok where is that manual file i read on how to get k3b working in kde 4.2? [19:40] i cant find the file i read..... [19:41] and adding user to groups cdrom and plugdev was not enough [19:41] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:41] well k3b setup also does some permission stuff with backends [19:42] i cant enter the setup [19:42] but as for kde 4.2 no idea at the moment [19:42] evrything is greyed and I cant get it unlocked [19:42] :S [19:44] guys the tutorial about SSL on slackwiki is uptodate with slack 13? [19:45] it keeps asking to insert a blank dvd, its inserted why wont it see that? [19:46] bad dvd? something on it already? [19:46] nope [19:46] its empty if something was on it it would auto mounts [19:46] mount [19:47] does k3b support double layer discs? [19:47] it should wth the correct version growisofs [19:47] although I've only burnt them from cli [19:48] but for reading.. not sure [19:48] I would find it hard to believe that it didn't [19:49] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [19:49] ya, idk why they have to change everything all the time [19:49] j0z (~SPH@200.146.82.99) joined ##slackware. [19:49] j0z (~SPH@200.146.82.99) left irc: Changing host [19:49] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [19:50] cause they're making it moar better [19:50] its not seeing any blank cds or dvds [19:51] hrm.... what am i missing? [19:51] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [19:53] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@smtp.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:53] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@smtp.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Changing host [19:53] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [19:53] you logged out and back in after adding the user to the groups? [19:55] v4nelle (~van@79.107.222.195) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:58] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [19:58] trash80 (~ubuntu@122-124-129-196.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [20:00] KaMii: ^ [20:00] the upgrades file told me to chown some directories [20:00] i did that, but it didnt work [20:00] "chown some directories"? [20:00] such .. as .....? [20:00] i totally chown'd that directory [20:01] mancha: heh :] [20:01] its in one of the txt files [20:01] i didnt memorize it [20:02] bp :> [20:02] YuGiOhJCJ (~yugiohjcj@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-209-13.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] ok i did everything the txt files told me to do [20:03] and still no dice [20:03] :S [20:03] maybe i shall try it as root? [20:05] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:05] audacity (~chris@142.167.31.153) joined ##slackware. [20:06] oh i think all my permissions are screwed up but i dont know what they should be [20:07] 660 root.cdrom 666 root.cdrom [20:07] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.76.224) joined ##slackware. [20:07] *which* directories? [20:07] /dev/sr0 [20:07] does anyone else here have a terminal fetish like me? i find it weird [20:07] Nick change: stuart_ -> stu_ [20:08] cdrdao 4750 root.cdrom 411 root.root [20:08] stu_: you are weird. [20:08] BP{k}: neat. [20:08] stu_: terminal fetish? I find them sexy. [20:08] cdrecord 4750 root.cdrom 4711 root.root [20:08] i dont know what all that means [20:09] but it sounds like only root has authority to read/write? [20:09] KaMii: so read the man page? [20:09] I am going to go with "this means you screwed up somewhere" [20:09] KaMii: along side with "but we can't memorize exactly what" [20:09] theres a man page for k3b? [20:10] KaMii: then docs. otherwise, man cdrecord/cdrdao [20:10] and man chown [20:10] i used to think man pages were too technical, now i have a man fetish too [20:10] wait, that didn't sound right [20:11] stu_: you say that like everyday [20:11] every freaking day! [20:11] must be a bot thing [20:11] audacity (chris@142.167.31.153) left ##slackware. [20:11] it's in my script [20:12] yaus? [20:12] man info [20:12] yet another usless script [20:12] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [20:12] and info man [20:13] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:13] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:13] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] YuGiOhJCJ (~yugiohjcj@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-209-13.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [20:15] apparently no one knows [20:16] KaMii, I take you have run k3bsetup? [20:16] that's all you need do *usually* [20:18] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:18] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [20:18] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.59) joined ##slackware. [20:19] jackz (~AndChat@201.53.166.179) joined ##slackware. [20:20] trash80 (ubuntu@122-124-129-196.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware. [20:20] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:21] hi slackin [20:21] hey stu_ [20:21] hows the wifi [20:21] slackin: the drivers + wicd didn't work [20:21] u get it workin [20:22] did u get any dmesg output or anything [20:22] jackz (~AndChat@201.53.166.179) left irc: Client Quit [20:22] slackin: so i did ndiswrapper and bwclm5.inf, and it did identify my wifi card + i was able to scan my home essid [20:22] slackin: the thing is i couldn't input my essid no matter how i tried, iwconfig wlan0 essid myessid, or /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [20:23] still not working [20:23] like i said, ks3 is broken in kde 4.2 [20:23] k3b [20:23] slackin: so i think i'll just get those USB wifi cards [20:24] stu_: no [20:24] or if its not whoever re-wrote it did a bad job, i should not have to spend hourse to try and figure out that I just needed to make one tiny simple little change [20:24] KaMii: I used k3b 1.63.0, kde 4.2.4 to burn a cd fine a month ago [20:24] like everything else KDE 4.2 [20:24] stu_: instead of using b43 trying the broadcom sta drivers [20:24] they will work almost 100% garunteed [20:24] KaMii, it works fine here [20:24] KaMii: you obviously screwed something up horribly.. find a better guide to fix it [20:24] stu_: they are closed source from broadcom [20:24] KaMii: don't blame the help here when you only give half-assed information [20:24] i was using pats txt files [20:25] i did everything he said to do [20:25] KaMii: I doubt it is broken. More likely you fscked it up horribly. Since you can't be arsed {by the look of it}, to say what guide you used or what directories you changed or what else you did ... [20:25] linkage? [20:25] slackin: will give it a try later, thanks. bbl. [20:25] KaMii: obviously you did something wrong as it does not work [20:25] stu_: i have that exact card in a dell that works great [20:25] but i think i am using broadcom sta not b43 [20:25] KaMii: remove it and start over again then. dont' screw it up this time [20:25] that card comes in several flavors [20:25] i asked before for the pci-id, but got zilch for an answer [20:25] wow everyone is so violent in here today [20:26] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.76.224) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:26] KaMii, change your attitude to be less negative and less 'slackware is broken' and you'll have better luck [20:27] if it doesn't look like 14e4:43?? don't bother pasting it to me [20:27] raela: needs to change his attitude also to be less asshole [20:27] yeah the "it's broken" thing is obnoxious [20:27] you're broken [20:28] protip: when it works for 1,342,576 people but not you, then you're broken. [20:28] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [20:28] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:28] then help me instead of just sitting there making me feel bad [20:28] KaMii: I just find it interesting that you seem to be pointing the blame to everyone but yourself for it not working on *your* box.. instead of trying to fix what you did [20:28] geez i come in here to get help not for egoists to step on me [20:29] KaMii: you're not entitled to support. people volunteer their time, try to help, then you don't even give proper diagnostic information [20:29] seriously im the 15 year old in here, and I bet all of you are over 30 and you are acting moar immature [20:29] ok, a few more bits of advice: 1) change your attitude 2) drop the entitlement mentality 3) don't be so "helpless" [20:30] and 4) help me finish this vim color scheme [20:30] KaMii: I would take a good hard look at your attitude if you think that's mature :) [20:31] raela: get a life [20:31] KaMii (nebulae@91.90.29.143) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[20:49] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [20:51] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:51] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [20:51] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:54] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:54] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [20:55] jackz (~jackz@201.53.166.179) joined ##slackware. [20:55] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:56] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [20:56] Hi all. [20:57] Ahoy [20:57] I want to buy a new note [20:57] e sharp, 100$ [20:57] going once [20:57] jackz, pay me $20k, I will ship you a laptop in under a month [20:58] almost any brand... [20:58] andarius that joke was a bit flat [20:58] portable and confortable to work (java). [20:58] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:59] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] jackz, thinkpad [20:59] forget notes, get a pad! [20:59] multiple notes! [20:59] whitch one do you suggest? [21:00] the Evil one [21:00] Wicked with of the east! [21:00] er witch [21:00] jackz, what is your price point? what do you do other than programming? [21:01] nothing. just programming and use internet [21:01] jackz, you don't IRC or anything? [21:01] buy the latest/fastest you can afford [21:02] umm, but actually...what about video? need anything with graphics? [21:02] if you must have a notebook get one, but I would go for a laptop [21:02] unless you like writing a lot [21:03] but, i would get the best you can afford, if you don't mind cheap graphics then you can spend a lot more on CPU and RAM [21:03] I'm in Brasil. Here notebook and laptops are the same. [21:03] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [21:04] jackz, the lawyers would disagree [21:04] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@smtp.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:04] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@smtp.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Changing host [21:04] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [21:04] a notebook is not safe for use on your lap...so nobody makes laptops anymore [21:04] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Do u think 13" video smaller? [21:05] stu__ (~stuart@124.13.52.0) joined ##slackware. [21:05] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [21:05] that way you can't complain when you find it sucks on uneven surfaces with bad ventilation and produces too much heat or something [21:05] jackz, i would do 15"... [21:05] if properly positioned the exhaust fan can keep you warm in winter [21:06] mancha, and make your balls touch the floor in the summer [21:06] mine always touch the floor [21:06] and the battery can spontaneously combust in your lap [21:06] you should get that checked out... [21:06] every evening if i'm lucky [21:07] dogs don't count [21:07] jackz (jackz@201.53.166.179) left ##slackware. [21:07] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.88.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:07] woof. Woof, woof. [21:07] your cousins a bit ugly, but "dog" ? [21:08] he is not related to me by blood [21:08] decided against sister, felt it was too in-your-face [21:08] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:08] lol [21:09] but in retrospect would have prevented the little gender cleverness you just pulled [21:09] :) [21:10] it never pays to be clever about gender [21:11] pi31415, why not? collect payment first, and then they run away and you don't need to render any services! [21:12] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:12] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-134-24.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:15] klaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:18] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[22:18] foobarz: the only person that knows that is Pat :) [22:20] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] Honestly though, even if it doesn't, easy enough to install that kernel [22:21] yep [22:21] I could install it, but then my multilib glibc and gcc stuff would be out of sync with that new kernel I think [22:21] Also easy to fix. [22:22] Dominian: How you been? [22:22] busy... you? [22:22] The same. [22:22] But I replaced my router last night, so I have a stable connection now. [22:24] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:24] Fixin' to go outside, fire up my pipe and write some XSD [22:25] what is xsd? [22:26] pi31415: XML Schema Definition or something like that. [22:26] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [22:26] tsccof (~tsccof@200-96-84-28.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[22:42] FriedBob: oh right, I always go outside and smoke a pipe before I do anything with XML =) [22:44] slackin, is your configs handled by hal or xorg? [22:45] MLanden: i have the option set in the xorg.conf but i copied the fdi file too [22:45] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.78.217) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:45] MLanden: i really dont know shit about X and input drivers [22:46] pi31415: I'm not smoking a pipe before I work with XML. I'm smoking WHILE I work with XML [22:46] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:46] FriedBob: haha, why not both? [22:46] ;p [22:46] slackin, in xorg..what's the value set to MaxTapTime? [22:46] MLanden: i didnt set that [22:47] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] pi31415: I'll likely go to bed when I finish my second bowl. Already 2247 here. [22:48] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] slackin, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Synaptics_Touchpad check through the examples..might have to tweak one setting or two..good luck [22:49] MLanden: alright [22:50] i thought maybe someone would know what to due, seems to be true with all my laptops and slack 13 [22:50] never had the issue in the past [22:50] pi31415: So, what is your tobacco of choice for a pre-XML pipe? ;) [22:50] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:55] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.20.37) joined ##slackware. [22:55] peacenik (cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:57] Shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-69-253-22-90.hsd1.de.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] stu__ (~stuart@115.135.78.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:59] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:59] haha im a terrible person [22:59] we know [22:59] lol [23:00] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:01] i just got everything perfected with my slackbox, dynamic dns update, and port forwarding. i can now tap into it and i have some macros setup to play sounds really loud to wake mygirlfriend up long after i go to work [23:01] you just said macros [23:01] you fail [23:03] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-20.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Shadowkllr, lol...might come home from work to notice a high heel stickin' out of the monitor..:P [23:04] hehe [23:05] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [23:06] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] MLanden: who'd you piss off? [23:08] jewbacca, not me...check with Shadowkllr [23:08] MLanden: ah... [23:08] Shadowkllr: not a good idea... [23:09] Shadowkllr: whatever you do, don't blast korn "wake up" [23:09] well it's actually a headless box sitting in the corner with a speaker on it, hehe [23:09] oh....writing that one down jew [23:09] i can see a knife sticking out of the speaker [23:09] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] HAHA i got it [23:14] ack_syn (~ack_syn@189.24.26.148) joined ##slackware. [23:14] GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM! [23:14] win [23:14] Aye [23:14] Classic. [23:14] I need to watch that again. [23:14] I need to configure an user I create to be able to a bind on tcp port 80, just like nobody does over apache. how do I do it? [23:14] messing with the gf is such a good idea cause they have no idea how to get revenge [23:14] Skywise: Withhold sex. [23:15] so much for the speaker being STUCK INTO the speaker [23:15] s/speaker/knife [23:15] how does nobody create sockets in ports <= 1024 ? [23:15] they don't [23:16] ack_syn: are you going to bounce to every linux channel asking the same question? [23:16] Skywise, well, if I ps aux | grep httpd, I will see nobody under http proccess [23:16] |Slacker| (~cris@187.46.93.100) joined ##slackware. [23:16] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.36.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:16] Dominian, does it matter? [23:16] FriedBob: I am very anti-tobacco [23:16] Dominian, how do you explain that ? [23:17] ack_syn: explain what? [23:17] ack_syn, httpd binds to the socket as root and then drops the privs and runs as its configured user [23:17] Skywise * [23:17] ack_syn: What distro do you run? [23:17] stu__ (~stuart@115.135.231.75) joined ##slackware. [23:17] hum. [23:17] slackware Dominian [23:17] good.. then listen to what Skywise stated [23:17] slackware 13 [23:17] |Slacker| (~cris@187.46.93.100) left irc: Client Quit [23:17] |Slacker| (~cris@187.46.93.100) joined ##slackware. [23:17] When I lived in apartments the majority of my neighbors were smokers and I hated breathing that crap. [23:17] I have installed glassfish using a glassfish user I created [23:17] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.23.33) joined ##slackware. [23:18] Dunno what glassfish is.. if its not in the Slackware distribution by default.. its unsupported. [23:18] Dominian, yeap, I got it.. I think I will use sudo so [23:18] Dominian, glassfish is a httpd server for jsp (java based) web pages [23:18] great [23:18] Dominian, do you have wife? haha, you looks like a kid answearing [23:19] come on :) [23:19] i love the base versus non-base distinction [23:19] ack_syn: are you a moron? [23:19] Dominian, no since I'm not you [23:19] I see [23:19] that was painful [23:19] "mimimi, why are you asking it in all linux #, mimimi I will cry now" [23:19] ack_syn: Good luck getting support :) [23:19] come one, stop with your pain, kill your self haha [23:19] on* [23:20] thanks Skywise [23:20] ack_syn (ack_syn@189.24.26.148) left ##slackware. [23:20] Action: Dominian shakes his head [23:20] idiots on ice... starring ack_syn [23:20] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.20.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [23:20] Heh [23:20] if it is not part of the operating system, it is not supported. but i thought an operating system existed to run programs that were not part of the operating system? what part of not supported didn't you understand? ok i give up. [23:20] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [23:20] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:20] pi31415: heheh YOU TOOK TOO LONG [23:21] Dominian: He was trapped trying to process the circular logic. [23:21] hehe [23:23] This dipshit reminds me of ecnrdoi [23:24] I think ack_syn is ecnrdoi [23:24] FriedBob: she's pregnant, so it doesn't matter much [23:24] Heh [23:25] bsod (~sadmac@122-124-134-106.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] bsod (sadmac@122-124-134-106.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware. [23:26] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:32] what file system would you guys recommend for my /home partition? [23:32] OffPlanet (~meler@adsl-68-127-115-185.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:32] Euthanatos (~chunk@67.236.115.230) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:32] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:32] I am currently using XFS and I like the way I do the maintenance on it, but would anyone recommend something else instead? [23:33] Shadowkllr (~chatzilla@c-69-253-22-90.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:33] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:33] you have to do maintenance, tsccof ? [23:34] fhobia: not sure if I have to, but I do run xfs_fsr once in a while [23:34] tsccof: ext4 [23:34] because it is more common [23:35] what are the benefits of ext4 over ext3 ? [23:35] its 1 more so its moar better [23:35] fhobia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 [23:36] Skywise: lmao [23:37] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:42] hehe lot of advantages and then disadvantages "potential data loss" [23:42] :) [23:43] kind of like all those linux installations back in the day that defaulted to async ext2 [23:43] the speed was worth it [23:46] you mean, when ext3 came out, many people would still rely on ext2? [23:47] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] people still use ext2 tools [23:48] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:48] I use ext2 for my /boot partition [23:49] there are decent arguments to use ext2 over ext3 in some flash or embedded situations [23:50] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] if squash or jffs just don't fit the need, ext2 might not be a bad alternative [23:51] not for boot there aren't [23:52] read only filesystem rules for boot! [23:52] and back that sucker up [23:53] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:55] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:55] phukt (~phukt@71-90-99-202.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:55] Yeah, That's how OpenWRT does it. jffs2 overlay [23:55] so the base system is always there in r/o [23:56] you can revert at anytime, like a snapshot [23:57] yeah! 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