[00:00] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:01] df -hTi says: /dev/sda5 ext4 Inodes 4.8M Iused 24K IFree 4.7M IUse% 1% Mounted on/home [00:02] also, whoops, ext4. [00:03] But just plain df shows /dev/sda5 Size: 77549508 Used: 73813752 Free Space: 0 [00:04] chaosparser: df -h would be more *human* ;) [00:04] fordwrench (~Ford@99-201-252-171.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.73.169.243) joined ##slackware. [00:05] nachox_ (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:05] /dev/sda5 77549508 73813752 0 100% /home [00:05] can someone help me install realplayer in slackware 13.1 [00:05] some direction or something please [00:05] slackbuilds.org [00:05] df -h: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [00:05] /dev/sda7 22G 2.9G 18G 14% / [00:05] /dev/sda5 74G 71G 0 100% /home [00:06] but it appears that slackbuilds.org doesn't have realplayer [00:06] why do you want realplayer anyway? [00:06] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] to play some rm videos I have [00:06] wyggler2 (mvlewis@pilot.trilug.org) joined ##slackware. [00:06] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] fordwrench: does VLC do it? [00:06] VLC does everything [00:07] havent tried that yet [00:07] will have to install vlc [00:07] that *is* on SBo [00:08] thanks [00:08] The really odd thing is, if I delete a large file the amount of free space doesn't change, even with trash emptied.. [00:08] full inodes? [00:08] is the file in use? [00:09] by a program? [00:09] lsof | grep deleted [00:09] :P I was typing lsof | grep file as you posted it [00:10] ;) [00:10] Terminal 3295 root 10u REG 8,7 21227 131282 /tmp/vteIB8QHV (deleted) [00:10] Terminal 3295 root 11u REG 8,7 4456 131283 /tmp/vteOP7QHV (deleted) [00:10] Terminal 3295 root 12u REG 8,7 304 131284 /tmp/vteVLBJHV (deleted) [00:10] ...y'all lost me on that one. I have no idea what any of that means. >.< [00:11] careful with pasting lines [00:11] better to use a pastebin [00:11] Sorry [00:11] lsof means list open files [00:11] | grep is just greping the files your interested in [00:11] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [00:11] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [00:12] Ah, okay. [00:12] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [00:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [00:13] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-160.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] fordwrench (~Ford@99-201-252-171.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:15] I'm gonna try a reboot and then see what happens, thanks [00:15] chaosparser (root@20-151.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [00:15] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.231.180) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:16] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.245.150) joined ##slackware. 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[00:40] good thanks,shonudo...yours? [00:40] very good [00:40] long day and now it's time to relax [00:40] hear ya [00:53] john_dee (~id@95-29-12-46.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [00:54] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.26.41.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:02] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:03] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [01:14] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:14] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-160.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:17] hba (~hba@189.130.32.103) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:23] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:25] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.26.41.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:25] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.245.150) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:28] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.221.146) joined ##slackware. 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[01:54] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:55] I can't see any chatter. Can I get a "hi" so I know this app works? Then I'll go back to reading man pages. I'm new to Linux. [01:55] hi darylc [01:56] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [01:56] hello there [01:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-217-132.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:57] Ah, so this phone/app does work. Thanks! [01:57] darylc, you're able to connect to your neighbors wireless ap? [01:57] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:57] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:58] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [01:58] no, I can't even see it. The system sees the card lspci, but wpa GUI does not show wlan0 [01:59] does iwconfig show it? [01:59] Yes [02:01] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.12) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:01] try using wicd and still the same result? [02:01] I have the .ini driver, and wonder if it needs to modprobe -m to function [02:01] do you see any networks with iwlist? [02:02] Yes. Wicd would not show wlan0 [02:02] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.12) joined ##slackware. [02:02] your user is in the netdev group too, correct? [02:03] Iwlist shows options. I'm root. Installed today. [02:04] try `iwlist wlan0 scan` [02:05] "interface doesn't support scanning : network is down" [02:06] try ifconfig wlan0 up [02:06] then do iwlist wlan0 scan again [02:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [02:07] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:20d:f0ff:fe56:8f4) joined ##slackware. [02:08] "SIOCSIFFLAGS : no such file or directory" on ifconfig wlan0 up [02:09] which chipset is it ? [02:10] broadcom airforce 54g [02:10] oki .. [02:10] Broadcom BCM4311 [02:11] I have .ini have thought about ndiswrapper [02:11] this one couldn't work with bcm43xx and the correct firmware ? [02:11] but don't know if this is necessary [02:12] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [02:12] I think you won't need ndiswrapper, take a look [02:12] the compatibility table says that 4311 is supporter by b43 [02:13] you need b43-fwcutter to extract the firmware from the windows dll as far I know [02:13] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [02:14] then you put the files in /lib/firmware [02:14] finally reload the b43 module, and this should work. [02:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-217-132.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:20] Hmmm maybe one more thing, you might have to uninstall ndiswrapper if it tries to load any driver this could be a problem for b43. [02:20] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [02:20] conflicts .. [02:20] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [02:20] ( blacklisting the ndiswrapper module may be sufficient ) [02:22] ( or uninstalling windows driver inside ndiswrapper ) [02:22] Guest86794 (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [02:23] Thanks. I will move .ini .sys to said dir. How does one reload b43 module? [02:23] it may be already loaded [02:23] so, rmmod b43 [02:23] and then modprobe b43 [02:24] to list the loaded modules, lsmod [02:25] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:26] try rmmod ssb or b43 won't load properly,i had to blackist the silicon sideplane module iirc on my other laptop [02:28] mac80211 shows b43 [02:28] Wpa_supplicant GUI shows no wlan0 still. [02:29] PCMCIA shows b43,ssb [02:29] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.221.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:32] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.221.146) joined ##slackware. [02:32] try rmmod ndiswrapper rmmod ssb rmmod b43 modprobe b43 iwlist scanning [02:33] and/or ifconfig wlan0 up [02:34] mine was a bcm 94311 rev 02 [02:34] rmmod ssb"ERROR:ssb is in use by b43" [02:35] My bad [02:35] ok so rmmod b43 rmmod ssb rmmod ndiswrapper modprobe b43 ifconfig wlan0 up iwlist scan [02:37] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210157073.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:37] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210157073.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [02:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:38] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:39] josemanuel (~josemanue@19.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [02:39] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [02:39] some kernel versions b43 worked with mine some didn't so i used either ndiswrapper or the new hybrid_sta driver @ broadcom.com. its been a while. so ymmv. [02:41] Followed-> iwconfig wlan0 up returned SIOCSIFFLAGS : no such file or dir [02:41] rabbitear (~juice@66-230-110-167-rb1.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:42] try ifconfig wlan0 up [02:43] Ok. Will pursue new driver. Tomorrow. Thanks for the help. I understand modules better now! [02:43] 1 sec bookmark for you [02:43] http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [02:43] Same sciocsi error [02:43] Thanks! [02:44] sure [02:45] darylc (~darylc@cpe-76-167-233-29.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: entering sleep mode [02:46] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] fire|bird (~fire|bird@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] fire|bird (~fire|bird@buhkit.net) left irc: Changing host [02:47] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [02:47] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[05:58] edthix (~ed@115.135.182.46) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:02] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:06] stephen_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [06:09] stephen__ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [06:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Why would someone get high downloads in the morning but later on in the day their connection slows down? [06:13] because he's on a really shitty connection ? [06:13] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [06:13] It's consistent, so I dunno it has to do with shitty. [06:14] consistent bad throughput still counts as shitty [06:14] because the ISP oversubscribes their bandwidth and there's more traffic later in the day? [06:15] what's up? [06:16] Thanks EthanG that makes sense. [06:16] Hi popl. [06:16] ok yw [06:16] hallo popl [06:16] riza: or because they're really, really mean. the point is that you don't know, unless they tell you why [06:16] because average 99% of the connexion bandwidth is subscribed on the burst side of the line ? :$ [06:16] True I'm asking. [06:16] He's not in America. [06:17] ": but how come i get fine speed on torrents ?" [06:17] neither am I - and ? [06:17] you think torrents don't count as downloads ? [06:17] perhaps you had better start over and ask a sane question :) [06:17] downloads from *what* [06:17] ooh [06:18] For him, going to website he only gets about 10kb/s, but torrenting he can get up to 500kb/s or so. [06:18] But torrent is consistent, going to website, not consistent. [06:18] maybe there's a transparent proxy, although really that should _help_ [06:19] unless they're idiots - there are plenty [06:20] indeed [06:21] underspecced proxy perhaps [06:21] conjecture would probably be pointless [06:22] it could be fun though [06:22] I like the 'probably' in there popl :) [06:22] if you're into mindless distraction adaptr. :P [06:22] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:22] then again we're all here on IRC :P [06:22] "my conjecture is this conjecture is pointless" [06:23] I only hypothesise a little bit before I drop it & get on. At least, I'm trying to limit it [06:23] life is too short :P [06:24] yes [06:24] http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2009/0706/p09s01-coop.html [06:25] if you're not careful this could happen to you :P [06:25] just living in this world risks something happening to you, lol [06:27] Brb. [06:27] Action: EthanG hides out to get on [06:27] neckro (~neckro@86.107.118.225) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:32] Alright. [06:33] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [06:33] kumo (1100@59.208.32.95.dsl-dynamic.vsi.ru) left irc: Quit: :C40-B> @57:> 8A?0@8;AO (went away). [06:34] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [06:36] previously: sda1 and sda2 partitions and unallocated space between them; after creating a partition with gparted in an unallocated space it become sda3 id, i.e. it's between sda1 and sda2, i thought that after reboot numbering will restore but it didn't, how can i change id's to correspond to the order of partitions? [06:40] vdv: did you write the partition table after you deallocated sda1 and sda2? [06:41] wait, you still have sda1 and sda2? [06:41] sda1 and sda2 weren't deallocated [06:41] yes [06:41] numbering is order of creation, not order on disk [06:41] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.188.216) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:41] and it's not possible to change? [06:41] vdv, not relaly, but it's not a big deal. [06:41] do you need to? [06:42] it's not really hurt [06:42] it will work [06:42] but it's a bit awkward [06:42] tantan_ (tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999) joined ##slackware. [06:42] Do you have OCD? [06:43] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:43] OCD? is an app? [06:43] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:43] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.161.180) joined ##slackware. [06:43] No, I have OCD. [06:44] It's these little feelings you get, OCD creates them. [06:44] Obsessive compulsive disorder. [06:44] Like you have to line up things a certain way. [06:44] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Or walk in a certain way, etc. [06:44] Everybody has them, all different in many wyas. [06:44] And degree. [06:44] ah :) yes [06:45] definitely :) [06:45] riza: so that means you're just like everyone else? how boring. :P [06:45] m3tti (~m3tti@p4FC57EC4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:45] i have OCD [06:46] Ya, try to get over it, I do my best as well. [06:46] i'll better spend time to change the numeration rather than doing other useful things [06:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:47] LOL [06:47] Ah that's how I feel. [06:47] jemark (~mark@86-40-58-161-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [06:48] "Is my hair okay? No my hair is not okay. Ugh, gotta quadruple check.. I'll get my neighbor to check my hair... Hm.. gotta fix it more.. maybe brush it? NO that would ruin everything." [06:48] Now it's just a mess. Who cares. [06:48] i name that pedantry [06:48] hear OCD first time [06:49] Wow this USB is turning me on. It's seriousuly amazing. Works great with my keyboard too. [06:51] Action: adaptr backs away [06:51] vdv: you could always try fixing the partition order but I've never had to do it [06:51] vdv: it's in the fdisk expert menu [06:51] fdisk will tell you and offer to do it if you simply start it [06:51] unless that was parted [06:51] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:52] parted? [06:52] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [06:52] vdv: it will probably change sda2 though so you will have to make sure to update fstab and such [06:52] partitioned? [06:52] fstab, initrd [06:52] and what else? [06:53] parted is gnu parted, [06:53] gparted, which you already used [06:53] :P [06:53] ah [06:53] are you installing slackware? [06:53] yep [06:55] i don't like fdisk [06:55] use cfdisk [06:56] nice frontend for fdisk in cli [06:56] but in cfdisk i didn't find such an option [06:56] to change id's [06:56] what kinda option [06:56] ah ok [06:56] m3tti: he wants to change the numbering of hte partitions [06:56] hrm never tried this [06:57] you don't have to like hte tool to use it [06:57] does that work ? [06:57] I hate PHP but have tow rite it all the time. [06:57] popl: i don't like it because it's error prone [06:57] bite the bullet :P [06:57] popl: i'm afraid of it :) [06:57] vdv: the program does not make errors. [06:57] :) [06:57] XD [06:58] popl: but i do :) [06:58] be the program [06:58] *beep* [06:58] vdv: do you use the command promt mode or just the bash line [06:58] do you have data on sda1 and sda2 you want to keep? [06:59] vdv: ^^ [06:59] popl, of course :) [06:59] i'd just recreate partitions in other case :) [06:59] I originally awnted to say that's a bad idea. [06:59] Since you'd have to reinstall everything. [06:59] vdv: well, fdisk doesn't make changes unless you write the partition table [07:00] vdv: so as long as you review your changes before you hit w you should be fine [07:00] ok, i'll try [07:00] if you think you did something erroneous just hit q and exit without saving [07:00] do i need the latest slackware libs installed (13.1) to be able to use .txz compression? [07:01] yurp [07:01] t0f: you need the xz package and the new installpkg or what the name was [07:01] pkgtools [07:01] ? [07:01] whats the name of the installpkg removepkg thingy [07:02] so i can get it to work with slackware 12.2 libs? [07:02] i think so [07:02] k, thanks [07:02] m3tti: pkgtools ? [07:03] adaptr: i don't know XD [07:03] heh [07:03] it's only the linux distribution you use :P [07:03] http://kambing.ui.ac.id/slackware/slackware-current/UPGRADE.TXT [07:04] step 1 [07:04] :P [07:04] popl: :-P [07:05] popl: if i now erase sda3 and create again new partition on that space i'll get sda4 as id? [07:05] root@slacker:/boot# slackpkg file-search installpkg [07:05] [ installed ] - pkgtools-13.1-noarch-1 [07:05] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [07:06] vdv: I don't know. either 3 or 4. [07:06] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:06] vdv: did you try the fix partition order option? [07:07] vdv: you can use fdisk to do that [07:07] adaptr: you're the guy who worked with vi? [07:07] excuse me ? [07:07] he's a bit old but you can manage tu use the fourth partition without the third. [07:07] was it vi or vim [07:08] because i pure vi is realy difficult. Vim on the other hand is way easier [07:11] m3tti: isn't it nap time? [07:11] where ? [07:11] it's 1:06PM [07:12] yeah, time for afternoon nap time [07:12] i'll have a nap around 3 maybe 4 XD [07:12] after milk and cookies [07:12] yeah indeed XD [07:12] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:14] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [07:19] if free -m shows 2011 as total memory, and gparted 2.00Gb for a partition, then would that partition sufficient for swap? :) [07:20] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.166.159) joined ##slackware. [07:20] sure [07:20] okay [07:21] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF72F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:25] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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I thought you said non-fat [07:40] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:40] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:40] adaptr: non-free [07:40] still zero [07:40] only the stuff which is in the kernel like firmware with no licence [07:41] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [07:41] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [07:43] j0z_ (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:49] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [07:53] j0z_ (unix@201.22.30.104.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:53] j0z_ (unix@201.22.30.104.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [07:53] j0z_ (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:55] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:55] WOW IT'S QUIET, IN ALL CHANNELS. [07:55] Action: riza screams. [07:56] omg [07:56] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:56] Hi riza o/ [07:56] Hi Roin. :D [07:56] hi everyone [07:57] Hi m3tti [07:57] hi roin [07:57] Action: ashtif sings a song about chromium [07:58] Action: m3tti is listening to http://www.ektoplazm.com/2010/eugenism [07:58] ektoplazm rulz :) [07:58] ektoplazm is great and this ep is aweeeeeeeeeeeesssssssooooooom [07:58] deep bass [07:58] havent checked this one [07:59] but everything on ektoplazm is atleast good [07:59] don't like that darkspy stuff sometimes it's to crazy for me [07:59] boo [07:59] darkpsy rulz [08:00] techtrance and full-on rulez XD [08:00] as you wish, sir :) [08:00] and forest [08:00] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-199-92.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:01] lol tribute to the wonderboy XD what a name [08:01] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-199-92.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [08:01] hey thats the game theme XD [08:02] ashtif: do you know disco hooligans they're great [08:04] is 'Btrfs filesystem' a new format or is it an old propritary fs? [08:04] nope [08:04] i will google it up [08:05] t0f: btrfs is a new fs [08:05] heh, yeah i can do that, sorry [08:05] it's like zfs but with more features [08:05] i thinking about taking it for a test drive [08:06] you could build something like prtitions (subvolumes) [08:06] on the fly [08:06] really? sounds nice [08:06] in later versions you could encrypt files on the fly on this subvolumes [08:06] and it's a copy-on-write fs [08:07] if you change stuff it'll copy the stuff to another sector on the hd [08:07] and one realy nice thing is [08:07] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-199-92.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:07] you could put two physical hd's together [08:07] so the system thinks it's one hd [08:07] silly question: can windows see this type of partition? [08:07] and stuff like that [08:08] t0f: nuh uh. never. [08:08] don't know but i don't think so [08:08] adaptr: ok [08:08] and you could do snapshots [08:08] that's something like incremental backups :-) [08:08] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:08] i am going to format a drive with it to see how well it works [08:09] t0f: and one thing [08:09] yes [08:09] you could convert an ext partition to btrfs [08:09] oh? cool [08:09] don't know the command anymore [08:09] convertbla [08:09] XD [08:09] ic, ok [08:09] https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3 [08:10] btrfs-convert [08:10] is ext4 now totally stable? i see it's the default with a new slack 13.1 install [08:11] it is there was one thing that wasn't that great the time for every writing process was to long on some system [08:11] so some configs could be broken if X was killed [08:13] t0f: don't know if the feature list in btrfs is complete it could be that a btrfs partition will be useless in a later release but i don't think so [08:14] m3tti: yeah i read that it's still beta [08:15] isBEKaml (keml@122.174.166.159) left ##slackware. [08:18] yes but it works well [08:18] with the slackware 13.1 tools [08:18] the subvolume delete also works XD [08:18] and it is essential for btrfs [08:18] becouse one step without thinking was the hell XD [08:19] /s/becouse/because [08:19] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-150.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] ok then i'll not even try it in this install (slack 12.2) [08:20] except you've the new btrfs tools [08:20] i try it on my pentium 4 [08:20] try it i had that on my productive system [08:20] i'll* [08:20] ok [08:21] only df will tell you crappie stuff [08:22] like partition full :-). That's because of thet copy on write thing [08:23] hm, ok [08:23] t0f: give it a try on a test system [08:24] ah that's the tool you have to use for df [08:24] btrfs filesystem df [08:24] this has nothing to do with computers but does anyone know if the Hz rating of a HDTV has anything to do with the latency of LCD? [08:24] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:25] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [08:25] because it's my understanding that LCD has no refresh rate [08:26] tantan_ (tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [08:26] isn't HD only working with Plasma Screens? [08:26] oh damn that was stupid of me [08:26] XD [08:27] m3tti, Wow... [08:27] i've answered that question on my own XD [08:27] t0f, The LCD itself doesn't "refresh" in the same way that a CRT does, but there is a rating at which the image is changed on the screen. [08:27] as my father allways tell: first think than speak XD [08:28] So the image on a 120 Hz HDTV is refreshed 120 times per second, but the display is never technically off, so it isn't a refresh rate like there is on an CRT where the entire screen has to be redrawn on every refresh [08:28] so then i should get no lower that a 120 Hz [08:29] you need 120hz for 3d movies [08:29] ok [08:30] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.161.180) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:30] foldy (~foldy@mail.foldy.org) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Nick change: riza -> miss_riss [08:30] 120 Hz would be the minimum you want on a decent HDTV anymore, if it is any lower the TV probably isn't worth buying. [08:30] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [08:30] my crt TV went to one horz line. that is the high voltage transformer, no? [08:31] is slackware.com down at the moment? [08:31] t0f: it can just as easily be the vertical magnetic divertor [08:32] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.9.12) joined ##slackware. [08:32] vdv: seems as it is down [08:32] couldn't connect either [08:32] ok, i heard a snapping sound when it broke, so i assumed...... [08:32] ok, thanks [08:34] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:38] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [08:38] is the version of kde4 in 13.1 "better" as it was in 13.0? [08:38] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:39] I say it is better than 13.0 [08:39] They really made some changes. [08:39] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [08:39] in 13.0 there were performance problems for me [08:39] i thought that it's because of only 2Gb [08:39] ram [08:40] vdv: 13.1 kde 4.4 is realy greate [08:40] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:40] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-98-45.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [08:40] more stable and even more beautiful [08:40] will Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5870 @ 2.00GHz, 2GB RAM be sufficient? [08:41] m3tti: what is your hardware? [08:41] vdv: yes of course i've a core 2 duo with 1.87GHz and 2g ram [08:41] m3tti: do you use java applications? [08:41] and ati x1250 [08:42] eclipse for example [08:42] yeah for the university [08:42] but i've switched to xfce4 [08:42] with compositing [08:42] hmm [08:43] kde4 is great but my xfce4 desktop is faster [08:43] why? you just said that kde is greate now [08:43] ah [08:43] i switch workspaces very often and sometimes kde lags [08:43] so, you had much lags, right? [08:43] for me [08:43] vdv, he meant that KDE is bloated. [08:44] kde is the desktop for unexperienced users in my ice and users who like awesome effects [08:44] kde3 is much simpler [08:44] High_Priest (~Mean@cable-94-189-161-230.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [08:44] he as pretty killer features anyway .. krunner is great. [08:44] yeah ideed [08:45] hm, it* [08:45] i don't understand kde developers politic [08:45] Zbouby: krunner is great but there is also an app called kupfer which could do the same in a gtk environment [08:45] *policy [08:46] vdv: kde runs realy nice and if you want a nice and consitent desktop run kde [08:46] if you like fiddling around use every other de [08:46] i want just switch back to kde3 [08:47] uninstall kde4 [08:47] xfce is my friend [08:47] t0f: but xfce need a burn programm in slackware [08:47] not only that slackbuild [08:47] j0z__ (unix@189.114.239.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:47] and evinve [08:47] evince [08:47] j0z_ (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:49] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Mowah (1000@c-1e87e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:51] m3tti: you mean a dvd burner? [08:51] and cd [08:51] oh, i use k3b [08:52] if i use gtk there should be a gtk burning tool XD [08:52] k3b is about the best there is that I've come across [08:52] dive: that's right :-( [08:52] although I do a lot with cli - cdrecord, mkisofs etc [08:52] i can't seems to ditch gnome stuff. i still use mc and the gimp [08:53] http://slackware.osuosl.org/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/README [08:53] most kde apps are great [08:53] ...they no longer work on the latest stable Slackware release. [08:53] artvdroid (~androirc@cpe-075-176-171-074.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:53] :(( [08:53] what does that exactly mean? [08:54] isn't there a kde 3 trunk ? [08:54] called tris [08:54] tri.... don't know something with t [08:56] ah found it trinity http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ [08:57] yeah, very professional: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/WebHome [08:57] XD [08:57] i've never said it is a professional fork [08:58] I didn't know perl had a realdie. perhaps we should add diediedie() as well ? [08:58] bf109 (~ulose@122-124-128-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:58] or you could use kde4, switch to classic menu, put desktop back into normal desktop mode, turn off akanadi and strigi [08:59] that would be close to kde3 [08:59] vdv: dive is right that is realy close to kde4 [08:59] kde3 [08:59] I did that. Eventually my opinion became that KDE4 is much nicer. It does take me about 20 minutes to get it the way I prefer it from a clean install, though. [09:00] removepkg akonadi [09:00] I just turn off akonada and strigi, leave all else the same [09:00] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [09:00] http://www.dawoodfall.net/sshots/4443059294.gif [09:00] I'm attached to the KDE3 layout, but I really like the wm hints, new konsole, dolphin, etc. [09:01] dive: how do you turn off akonadi? [09:01] yeah dolphin is nice [09:01] system settings [09:01] dive: looks nice [09:01] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-199-92.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:01] wobbles (huntsman@C-61-68-164-96.bur.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:02] dive: where is it? (specifically akonadi) [09:02] Desktop search is easy to turn off. [09:03] and is customized kde4 also faster? [09:03] well I turned it off in 4.4.3 and now have 4.5 so I will need to look for it [09:03] the system settings are all different in 4.5 [09:03] dive, proc and ram? [09:03] It's sort of the same, providing you turn off the compositing effects. [09:03] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:03] dive: how did you do that zsh thing? [09:03] screen [09:04] Or if you have a proper gfx card to offset that. [09:04] do you have a nice tutorial for the zsh [09:04] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:04] m3tti, not really, other than what I found on google [09:04] I do have a prompt thing somewhere - one sec [09:05] http://www.dawoodfall.net/index.php?zsh-prompt [09:06] ah cool [09:07] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [09:07] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.26.41.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:08] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:41] i could probably just buy this tuner and hook it to my LCD monitor and not have to buy a new TV, i suppose [09:41] http://www.buy.com/prod/kworld-digital-atsc-qam-tv-tuner-box-reveiver-vga-watch-digital-tv-in/q/loc/101/209849676.html [09:43] it all depends on your budget [09:43] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:44] if you'd like to get a 2nd display, you can get a 24" tv with hdmi and vga inputs for $120 [09:45] wouldn't a monitor with a DVI-D jack look better than a VGA input? [09:46] you won't find dvi anymore, but you can use dvi-hdmi adapters [09:46] hdmi is dvi with audio essentially [09:46] Skywise: as you can probably tell i don't know much about HDTV [09:46] i've just gone thru monitor shopping recently [09:47] 1080p is the upper limit in resolution now for the most part [09:47] so i'd be looking for a tuner with a hdmi output? [09:47] you can get a monitor with the atsc tuner built in [09:48] estranho__ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:48] for about the price of a stand alone tuner [09:48] oh? ok [09:48] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:48] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:48] if theres a costco near you, they have AOC tvs for less then $200 [09:48] i have no cable nor satillite, just over the air [09:49] in the us, that atsc [09:49] ok [09:49] most channels in this area are 1080i but a few are just 720p [09:50] you really just need to decide how big you want [09:51] and the size of the screen should be decided by how far you're going to sit from it, not prestige [09:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:51] i'm considering a 40" HDTV with a vga port in case i want to use it on my pc [09:52] yeah, they almost all support that [09:52] but the last one i looked at was just 60 Hz :\ [09:52] t0f: most TVs have vga ports + you can get DVI to HDMI adapters [09:52] 120/240hz are out now [09:53] Hz shouldn't matter with lcd techs should it? [09:53] i can't really say [09:53] paissad (paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left ##slackware. [09:53] I don't believe it does [09:54] its supposed to be smoother with fast activity [09:54] i was told that the lower number ones are a bit blurry watching a football game [09:54] but i haven't really noticed ghosting or artifacts in modern units [09:54] A higher refresh rate means the fps can be synced more correctly to the refresh rate, so it does help. [09:55] i think it was more an issue with older screens [09:55] like the first version of them [09:55] then i'll be looking for 120 Hz+ [09:55] but its been along time since thats been one [09:55] It won't flicker, but some frames will have to be interpolated if the refresh rate doesn't match. [09:55] i have a 60hz lcd, it never tears or flickers or ghosts [09:56] my brother has a 60 Hz huge HDTV and i notice 'stairstepping' at times [09:57] i think the higher clock rates are because its all they could think of to make something different [09:57] If you have a 60Hz refresh rate, playing 25fps media, you'll have at least 10 interpolated / copied frames. [09:57] 3d units were supposed to all over the place now [09:58] but seeing how little there is to watch and there isn't even a standard now, its a waste [09:59] I dunno, I can perfectly interpret 3D from a 2D image :D [09:59] "What is that flat thing? Is it a house? Can't be, it only has 2 dimensions!" [09:59] Nuh uh [09:59] my current TV is so broken it's 1d lol [09:59] That's funny. 1d is the same as 0d, for humans, I guess. 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[11:16] hola [11:16] Nick change: Guest86794 -> cybErpunk [11:18] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:23] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.35) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:32] padhu (~padhu@112.79.150.14) joined ##slackware. [11:33] is there anybody here currently seeding Slackware64 13.1? For some reason it's usually very difficult for me to leech Slackware through torrent, seems like the tracker is not good enough. [11:34] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.203) joined ##slackware. [11:36] artvdroid (~androirc@243.sub-72-115-23.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] seems nobody's updated the configuration help lately. http://www.slackware.com/config/rootdir.php is about 50% wrong [11:38] Boeby (~Boeby@2-229.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch) joined ##slackware. [11:38] hehe [11:39] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [11:39] artvdroid (~androirc@243.sub-72-115-23.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:40] who mainatins the site ? [11:40] *maintains, if you like [11:41] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.35) left irc: Quit: Sleep Message [11:41] good question. [11:42] it's done sporadically [11:42] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:44] Nick change: j0z__ -> j0z [11:44] j0z (unix@189.114.239.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [11:44] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Nick change: j0z -> j0z__ [11:44] Nick change: j0z__ -> j0z [11:46] High_Priest, which driver in 13.1 supports the Ati 9800 Pro now? [11:46] Elfo (~n@bl18-68-184.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Which driver in 13.1 supports the Ati 9800 Pro now? [11:46] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:46] It converted Hi to High_Priest, ha [11:47] m [11:48] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:48] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:49] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [11:50] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-11-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] edthix (~ed@115.135.182.46) joined ##slackware. [11:56] is path to kernel image in lilo.conf relative to the running os filesystem, or relative to filesystem in partition specified as "root" option in lilo.conf? [11:58] relative to running os fs [11:59] so, if "root" partition is currently mounted in running os, then that's ok to specify path for example /mnt/sda1/boot/vmlinuz, right? [11:59] no [12:00] the kernel location is always relative to the partition holding it [12:00] if you have a /boot partition, it would be vmlinuz [12:00] if you don't, it would be /boot/vmlinuz [12:00] man lilo.conf [12:01] dustybin (~dustybin@wizbox.org) joined ##slackware. [12:01] adaptr: no, as I recall lilo takes full Linux paths. it's grub which is relative to partition root [12:02] I've no idea about the /mnt/sda... case [12:02] radeonhd or ati [12:02] same memory effect here, EthanG [12:02] adaptr: there's installed slackware in /dev/sda1, and now i'm in /dev/sda2, i'm editing lilo.conf and adding entry for installed slack in /dev/sda1, i put /boot/vmlinuz as path to image and specify /dev/sda1 as root [12:02] EthanG: when LILO boots with a /boot partition, you wanna bet you are going to reference /vmlinuz ? [12:02] lilo definitely requires full paths. [12:02] vdv .. easiest way is to copy lilo.conf over with the correct entries. [12:03] result is that when i boot slack in /dev/sda1 it loads kernel from /dev/sda2 [12:03] ugh... lilo is so 1980s [12:03] adaptr: haha, lilo doesn't use the filesystem at boot time, it hard-codes the blocks the kernels are stored in [12:03] lilo looks so sexy [12:03] hehe :) [12:03] rworkman: eze bruva :) [12:03] lilo works for me. worked, too. i know its quirks, so i go along with it. and its full path meme. [12:04] EthanG: true, the same goes for the reliance of grub on stage1.5 - sort of [12:04] lilo's kinky, grub's overweight... meh to both of them I say, lol [12:04] lilo is good [12:04] grub and reliance ... first time i read about that in one sentence. [12:04] EthanG: yeah? you do allot of bootloader development? [12:04] thats pretty impressive [12:04] jg71: without in a negative sentence? :P [12:04] >:) [12:04] s/without/even/ [12:04] adrien: without ranting. [12:04] ;-) [12:05] hey adrien :) [12:05] had time already to look at nvidia stuff? [12:05] Action: jg71 has an alias for grub|grub2 ... it's called black hole ... or in han solo's terms: the tar pit. [12:05] acidchild: I've looked into it enough to dislike the way both of them work [12:06] noticed some thing when booting 13.1 [12:06] EthanG: my sarcasm is about the whole flame war between them./ [12:06] screen font changes at some moment [12:06] all right :) [12:06] pprkut: not really: I just killed the previous install and cleaned it and I'm currently running with nouveau, probably at some point next week but I can't say when exactly [12:06] first there's some font, and then another [12:06] at boot time [12:06] in any case, thanks for the work ;-) [12:07] the nod of agreement++ [12:07] adrien: don't worry. I'm pretty loaded too. Just being curious :) [12:07] I hope it works with kernel 2.6.35+ /o\ [12:07] (kernel upgrade > working nvidia driver) [12:08] actually, I can't wake my laptop from sleep with nouveau right now :-) [12:08] ki2azy (~krazy@99.189.55.239) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:09] if i were such a laptop, id prefer eternal sleep myself, adrien [12:09] :o [12:09] why? [12:09] is that normal that screen font changes during 13.1 boot? [12:09] it lacks noise. [12:09] vdv: it can if you configured it [12:09] vdv: with KMS drivers, yes: which card? [12:09] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:09] setting a vga= mode other than 80x25 will change the font [12:10] adaptr: vga mode in lilo.conf? [12:10] also, gotta prepare a funeral. pardon my mood, prolly be off for a week or so. save the bootloader flamewars for me, willya... [12:10] vdv: see /etc/rc.d/rc.font , you can disable that if you don't like it [12:10] vdv: yes, to start with, until it is taken over by ^^ [12:10] all right jg71, take care [12:10] adaptr: here it is vga = 773 [12:10] jg71: lack noise? impossible, it has music :P [12:10] but this font is normal for me [12:10] *this mode [12:10] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-4-65.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:11] when boot begins i can see messages as it was in 13.0 [12:11] but at some moment outlook changes [12:11] I still think it's KMS [12:11] ati or intel hardware? [12:11] rc.font is -x [12:11] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Disconnecting... [12:11] (is kms enabled by default for ati hardware in 13.1 actually?) [12:12] intel is here [12:12] also, the question is: is it better once it has changed? [12:12] it's narrower [12:12] and more slant [12:12] vdv: I dont' know then. maybe you specified a framebuffer mode in bootloader config? [12:12] personally i like KMS [12:12] Guest58348 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:12] s/like/love/ ? :P [12:13] getting a 1280x800 console is nice [12:13] saves power too [12:13] quite a lot actually [12:13] # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256 [12:13] running 1024x800 on a 1280x800 LCD always looked smudged [12:13] vga = 773 [12:14] GeekZen (~geekzen@unaffiliated/geekzen) joined ##slackware. [12:14] this is mode to which i get used [12:14] I have seen a vesa framebuffer do 1680x1050, but it wasn't with linux. don't quite know how it was done [12:14] you should run lcd screens at their native resolution or an even multiple of [12:14] and it starts to boot with it [12:15] but then screen becomes black and then i see messages again, but with other look [12:15] 1280x800 is a wide screen format [12:15] yes.. this is a laptop [12:15] I'd love a 200dpi+ lcd screen. smooooth scaling, lol [12:16] adrien: how kms can influence that? [12:16] EthanG: honnestly, the pixel size isnt anywhere near good enough on monitors yet to make it look non-crappy when running at other resolutions than native [12:16] acidchild (ash@septic.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:16] macavity: yeah [12:17] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.172.220.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:17] someting in the range of 4000x2800 might do the trick :P [12:17] ya XD [12:17] that is, on a 15" display [12:17] bet it would still look ugly on a 42" [12:18] that's even higher than I thought. ya... [12:18] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:18] I said 200+dpi because my PDA's 230dpi & doesn't need antialiased text, that's all [12:19] ok, time to install 13.1 [12:19] bbl [12:19] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:20] not only me using 13.0 up to today :) [12:20] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:21] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:21] vdv: I have absolutely no idea how to set the resolution in the console =/ [12:21] bah [12:22] Boeby (~Boeby@2-229.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:23] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:46] Any UK 3G net users here? Using a USB dongle? Just wondering which service to go for [12:47] have following problem: after building 2.6.34 kernel in 13.1 with config which i used to build 2.6.34 on 13.0 i can't startx, the error is intel(0): No kernel modesetting driver detected. [12:47] well, actually I want to make sure I don't get one which needs a binary module or anything, especially as I'm planning to connect with an ARM-powered machine [12:50] spectre (~kyle@cpe-66-69-223-136.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:56] josemanuel (~josemanue@19.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [12:57] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:58] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] does CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS option enable KMS for all intel cards? [13:00] hello [13:01] can you guys hellp me out with some doubts about the init scripts? [13:01] we'll give a try [13:02] Nick change: nick_nsa_ -> nick_nsa [13:02] yesterday i was here trying to figure out why my script was not being executed properly by rc.K [13:03] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-89-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [13:03] what I want: to execute my script, which shuts down my running VMs, before my host machine shuts down [13:04] /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown [13:04] I called my script from rc.6, rc.K and rc.local_shutdown, bot it does not work [13:04] hmm [13:05] that is because the qemu process is killed BEFORE any of those scripts are executed [13:05] EthanG: haven't used 3G in a while, but I guess with Huawei you are still on the safe side [13:05] when i issue the poweroff or reboot commands, I noticed something wierd [13:05] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] pprkut: I've not heard of Huawei [13:06] Elfo, perhaps it just doesn't make sense to shutdown vm's manually [13:07] Elfo, system shutdown process will not wait for vm's to shutdown properly [13:07] the first 3 messages are: "INIT: sending TERM signal to all processes", "INIT: sendink KILL signal to all processes" and finaly "executing /etc/rc.d/rc.0" [13:08] ah, el rapido shutdown style [13:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:08] vdr: i know, that's why i want to shut them down and THEN shut down the host [13:08] vdv* [13:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Elfo, do you shutdown system manually? [13:09] EthanG: it's a 3G modem manufacturer [13:09] what do you mean? [13:09] pprkut: right, cheers ^^ [13:09] Elfo: does shutdown occurs because of no power comes more to pc? [13:10] EthanG: there are lots of resources on the web. Just check upfront how good the modem is supported [13:10] Elfo, is shutdown intentional? [13:10] nope. I issue the poweroff or reboot commands [13:10] Axius (~fd@92.84.11.221) joined ##slackware. [13:11] pprkut: ty.. I've no idea what to search for [13:11] Elfo, then just run your script before you do poweroff [13:11] I was under the impression that first, rc.K was executed, then the kill signal was sent to all processes [13:11] vdv: that's what I do now... but surely there should be a better way ;-) [13:12] Elfo, maybe others then help, i don't know, but think that simpler is to call script manually [13:13] Elfo, and safer [13:13] also, that means that the "official" daemons like sshd or httpd are not being shut down properly either by the init scripts... [13:13] Elfo, don't think so [13:14] what's the sense in shutting daemons down properly? [13:14] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [13:14] so... what you are saying is we should first stop ALL daemons and then poweroff? Isn't that what rc.K was suposed to do? [13:14] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d000fe4.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] first, they are asked nicely... then, they are told... then, they get killed. [13:15] Elfo: that's what shutdown scripts used to do, I know that much [13:15] if daemons are not suposed to be shutdown properly, what's the point of rc.K? [13:15] maybe rc.K is just left over from that time, or maybe it's a bug that it's not being run [13:15] the illusion of control [13:15] hehe [13:15] Elfo, all those demons know how to interpret various signals and behave correctly [13:15] Pat is secretly conditioning you [13:16] oops, I said it [13:16] Elfo, but some other script that shutdowns vm's maybe not so intellectual [13:16] ugh [13:16] vdv: yes they do, but some of them might depend on others to function properly... so start order AND shutdown order does matter [13:17] Elfo, and also, it takes more time to power off vm's [13:17] vdv: thus, my script... [13:18] if things worked as they suposed to, my script would be called THEN shutdown of host would continue normaly [13:18] the problem in a nutshell is a need for shutdown to wait for a process to finish, and the official way of having shutdown wait is progen [13:19] as it stands, when rc.K is called, all processes have already been sent the TERM and KILL signals... which makes rc.K pointless [13:20] does look like a bug, to me [13:20] thats what I thought [13:21] as a workarround, I'm calling "poweroff" from my script. In other words: first shutdown all VMs THEM issue poweroff [13:21] but I souldn't have to do that... [13:21] shouldn't* [13:22] there must be something sending the term and kill signals. if you find out what that is, and what calls it.... [13:23] like I said: the messages are "INIT: sending TERM signal to all processes", "INIT: sendink KILL signal to all processes" and finaly "executing /etc/rc.d/rc.0" [13:23] I assume INIT is sending them [13:23] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d000fe4.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:23] Elfo: yeah so what the heck is sending those signals and writing the messages? [13:23] ah [13:23] hmm [13:24] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:24] going to have a look [13:24] issue poweroff command and read the first 3 messages :) [13:24] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:24] :D [13:24] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d000fe4.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:26] I want to be able to shutdown my host "normally" without worrying about how many VMs are running [13:27] j0z_ (unix@187.58.246.226) joined ##slackware. [13:27] j0z_ (unix@187.58.246.226) left irc: Changing host [13:27] j0z_ (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [13:27] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:28] Axius (~fd@92.84.11.221) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:28] Action: EthanG researches [13:29] my script basically issues the shutdown command to all running VMs and waits 30 secs or until they all shutdown properly. If after 30 secs there are still some running VMs, it forcefully shuts them down and exits [13:31] 30s is quite short [13:31] that makes me think if qemu responded to sigterm by issuing some powerfail (or even ctrl-alt-del) to the guest, all you'd have to do would be increase init's delay between sending term and kill [13:31] it usualu takes 16 to shutdown 3 VMs [13:31] usualy [13:31] but if something's blocking, you'll end up killing the machine [13:32] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:32] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-103-100.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:32] well rc.local_shutdown -is called as one of the first scripts [13:33] the script can be changed it needed, but the issue is that the VMs are beeing killed by the host's init scripts before having a chance to properly shutdown [13:33] rc.local_shutdown is called by rc.6[0] [13:34] if TERM and KILL signals are sent before rc.6[0] is even called, then it's pointless [13:34] that's what I think is a bug [13:34] I do too [13:34] Elfo: "think" <-- --> "are" .. different things. [13:35] nobody here said it WAS a bug... dont be so protective ;-) [13:35] we are just trying to figure things out [13:35] Elfo: sigterm is usercatchable, so any non-crappy app should catch it and close correctly [13:36] rc.local_shutdown is for kitchensync operations like clearing out /tmp and such [13:36] macavity: it makes no sense to send sigterm to qemu, as that would just kill the running VMs [13:36] macavity: uhm rc.S takes care of that on boot mostly (well for values of "defined dirs in rc.S") [13:37] Elfo: then you better hack in support for rc.qemu then ;-) [13:38] macavity: that will do no good. the problem here is NOTHING is being shut down before the term and kill are sent [13:38] how come? rc.qemu has nothing to do with it [13:38] None of the scripts are being run until it's too late [13:38] what? [13:38] exactly [13:38] i am rather sure that the regular runlevel change should happen [13:39] macavity: if you issue the poweroff command you'll see 3 messeges poping up: "INIT: sending TERM signal to all processes", "INIT: sendink KILL signal to all processes" and finaly "executing /etc/rc.d/rc.0" [13:39] which means, that rc.0 does nothing [13:40] Elfo: one thing you might want to try with your script is add a case statemtn for it to start/stop .. not sure how that would make a difference .... [13:40] I'm looking through inittab(5) and can't find anything to indicate a way of running scripts -at- entry to a runlevel rather than after [13:41] it rather looks to me like some idiot thought it would be nice to patch sysvinit itself to send the signals early [13:41] it woudn't... rc.sshd has a start stop case and is never executed, because TERM and KILL signalls are sent BEFORE "rc.sshd stop" is called [13:42] the code however doesn't back that up. [13:42] Elfo: try halt or reboot.. as they integrate with init and calls shutdown if the system is not in either runlevel 0 or 6 [13:42] i tried poweroff reboot halt init 0 and init 6 [13:42] all the same problem [13:42] I've found a comment in rc.6 which shows it's init itself sending the signals [13:43] Action: macavity gets some food [13:43] Action: BP{k} starts adding debug statements to rc.{6,0} [13:43] that's what the first 2 messeges say [13:44] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:46] I added debug statements to my script last night, as per BP{k}'s suggestion [13:46] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) joined ##slackware. [13:47] garme (~garme@187.79.7.58) joined ##slackware. [13:47] that's how I found out that when called from rc.6 my script didnt find any running VMs... probably because qemu was killed before rc.6 was called [13:50] there's a comment in rc.6; init sends the kills, which seems nasty to me. if in the script it could work properly [13:51] EthanG: which line? [13:52] about the middle. search for "Kill all processes" [13:52] they way it *should* work is: execute rc.6 (or rc.K) and THEN send TERM and KILL signalls to any leftover process that didn't exited properly [13:52] and that is exactly what happens on my machine [13:53] Action: BP{k} adds royal "sleep 300" to rc.6 [13:53] try adding an 'echo "i was called here"' to any rc.something file in the stop section [13:54] and see if 'i was called here' gets on your screen before or after the TERM and KILL messages [13:54] macavity: he's already tried all that ;) [13:54] indeed [13:55] macavity: we have a definite case, signals are being sent BEFORE even rc.6 is run [13:55] question is, macavity: did you? :) [13:55] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:55] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [13:55] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:56] there is a simple check that anyone can do: search for the sshd process and echo "yay" to a file if it is found. put that code on the first line of rc.6 [13:57] if you reboot and the file is not there, then sshd was not running when rc.6 was called [13:57] it was killed before rc.6 was executed [13:58] that's whan I did :) [13:58] what* [14:00] i'm not saying that rc.6 is not being executed... i'm saying that when rc.6 is executed, all the processes have already been killed by init, and thus, rc.6 has nothing to shut down [14:00] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:00] Guest11045 (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:02] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:03] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-161-170.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:03] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-161-170.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:03] Elfo: this is the key line in inittab: l0:0:wait:/etc/rc.d/rc.0 <-- tells init to run rc.0 when halt changes runlevel [14:03] Elfo: let me check :) just wrote the code for it ... [14:04] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Elfo: after that it plain and simple "rc.fubar stop" commands in rc.0 [14:04] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:04] oh crap .. had a sleep 300 still in there :| [14:05] BP{k}: pop a can of beer ;-) [14:05] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:06] smegging-A! [14:06] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-103-100.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:07] BP{k}: meaning? [14:07] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:07] macavity: is rc.sshd stop called from rc.0? [14:08] macavity: you never watch red dwarf? [14:09] Elfo: on line 83 [14:09] BP{k}: nope [14:10] rc.{6,0} [14:10] john_dee (~id@95-29-12-46.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [14:10] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-98-45.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [14:11] smeg: a futuristic British all-purpose swear word. "Smeg" is mainly used as a kind of swear-word on the TV show Red Dwarf. When used in this context, its use is similar to that of "fuck". [14:12] macavity: could you please check if the sshd process is actualy alive when rc.sshd stop is issued? [14:12] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:12] Elfo: i hate to admit it.. but it actually does look like init issues a killall on its own before it runs rc.0/6 [14:13] BP{k}: /me haz the confooz.. unconfuuzing words of wisdom highly appriciated :P [14:13] macavity: uhm .. what are you confused about. [14:14] BP{k}: Pat Vs comment about issuing another round of killall comes in at a place in the script that suggests that init runs its own set of term and kill, then it would have happened before rc.0 was run [14:15] man init [14:15] ah.. [14:17] hmm my script seems to suggest that sshd is running [14:18] Elfo: you are not by accident running sshd from inetd, right? [14:20] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.172.220.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:20] nope. don't even have inetd installed on this host [14:20] Elfo: could you paste the output of "grep rdi /etc/inittab"? [14:22] # Modified by: Patrick J. Volkerding, [14:22] that's all i get [14:22] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/SXXzcp58.html <-- that's the code/test case I added. [14:22] just checking you werent running SLAX or Vector or some other wannabe [14:22] lol [14:23] damn.. i have to run if i want to catch the store before it closes [14:23] RUN FOREST RUN! [14:24] is there any way to force a program to load different version of a library? srware iron binary loads libjpeg6 while gtk loads 8 which causes segfault if i try to preview jpeg images in file browser. [14:24] aarchvile: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/your/haxed/libs commandname [14:25] Elfo: .. and the result of cat /root/YAY is ... [14:25] Sun Aug 15 19:19:57 BST 2010: SSHD is RUNNING under PID: 1484 [14:25] thanks [14:29] hmm, exactly what does sysvinit kill itself? I just thought it might only be things started with the respawn option or such [14:32] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Quit: Saindo [14:33] demian2 (~demian@151.95.242.35) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Hi to all. Is it possible to get something like the ubuntu's usb printer automatic detection system on slackware? [14:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:35] EthanG: any scripts in /etc/rc.d/rc?.d/K* [14:35] BP{k} did you put that code in rc.6? [14:36] I just closed the dir... but no, not on my box. I'm sure they're run from rc.6 or rc.K though [14:36] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [14:36] Elfo: ... yes. [14:37] EthanG: uhm rc.6 -> calls -> rc.sysvinit ... [14:37] and so does K. [14:37] so? [14:37] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [14:38] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.76.19) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:38] EthanG: if I tell you 1) that is the code I put in 2) that is the result I get .. i think you can safely assume that I have actually done that, and not made it up on the fly. [14:38] rabbitear (~juice@209-112-209-132-rb1.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:38] oops. s/EthanG/Elfo/ .. damn tabkey [14:38] XD [14:39] any idea? [14:39] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.59.72) joined ##slackware. [14:40] EthanG: so regardless what happends (ie running whatever) script .. rc.sysvinit it actually called eventually (since it's called from rc.{0,6,K,M,S} [14:40] demian2: not sure, no sorry. [14:41] BP{k}, thanks np...just trying to et slack more user friendly for my wife :) [14:41] *get [14:42] i'm a bit tired to fix her ubuntu box... [14:42] demian2: just plug the printer in, configure it .. and tell her to leave it alown ;) [14:42] demian2: admittedly I am not sure what you mean by "USB automagically printer dection system" .. ;) [14:42] BP{k}: if everything is killed before rc.sysvinit is called, so what if it's run? [14:43] BP{k}, yea...the problem appears when she goes on another office and she has to plug in another printer...ubuntu does the magic [14:44] BP{k}, for "USB automagically printer dection system" i mean the fact that you plug in a printer and it works out of the box [14:44] EthanG: Since I just pretty much given proof that the sshd is still running, and the stop function for SSH is called *after* rc.sysvinit in rc.6 .. I reject the statement that "everything" is killed before hand. [14:45] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [14:46] hmm ó. [14:46] ò [14:46] oops [14:47] garme (~garme@187.79.7.58) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:50] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.13.226) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [14:51] EthanG: let me hack together a modified rc.6 that uses extensive logging ;) [14:51] BP{k}: don't worry on my account, I'm not rebooting today. was just curious [14:53] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-199-92.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:54] neonflux (~neonflux@209.172.114.240) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:57] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.10) joined ##slackware. [14:59] BP{k}: i'm trying your code on my rc.6, but it freezes my machine. but i think it's because the machine is a VM [14:59] .... whgy would my code freeze anything? [15:00] Elfo: its not frozen, wait 300 seconds [15:00] mwalling: why would that be the case? [15:00] beats me. I issue poweroff and the shutting down messages appear but that's it. the machine doesn't actually shutdown [15:01] BP{k}: didnt you tell him to put "sleep 300" in rc.S? [15:01] er, .6? [15:01] not that. the one he sent on pastebin [15:01] oh [15:02] mwalling: uhm no. I added 300 tro my scripts and forgot about it. However the code in http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/SXXzcp58.html <-- doesn't use any sleep statements. [15:02] BP{k}: i didnt look at the pastebin [15:03] mwalling: your failure ;) [15:03] Nick change: v3gard_ -> v3gard [15:03] yup [15:03] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.53) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:05] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/u6B1QX84.html <-- some output when rc.6 is being run .. including a processtable of all process running at that time [15:05] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Elfo: EthanG: ^^ So plenty of stuff running that isn't killed ;) [15:05] wow [15:07] indeed! [15:07] Detective BP{k} FTW :-) [15:07] Elfo: right, try the following ... just for shit and giggles. [15:08] v4nelle (~van@78-185-25.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:08] Elfo: add the folling code at the top of /etc/rc.d/rc.6 "ps aux > /root/processtable" .. then reboot/shutdown etc/whatever .. when the machine is backup .. pastebin that file. [15:09] k. give me a sec [15:09] demian2 (~demian@151.95.242.35) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:10] no rush, I'll be back in about 15 after wlking the dog [15:10] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:11] BP{k}: lulz.. demeter's fancy itallian gas stow if of brand "Smeg" :P [15:12] stove.. what I hate are the Smeg fridges with the brand in bold capitals across the door >.< [15:12] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-68-122.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:13] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.87.104) joined ##slackware. [15:14] j0z_ (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:16] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:24] BP{k}: here it is http://pastebin.com/MNnrzqTa [15:24] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:25] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFCD9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [15:26] Elfo: and that was with qemu instances running? [15:27] no, sorry tried it on a VM. gona try that on the actual host now [15:27] Action: BP{k} repeatedly moves his head to his desk [15:27] hehehe [15:28] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:28] you could try qemu within qemu ^^ [15:29] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] give me a few secs. it's rebooting now [15:30] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-18-164-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:30] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:33] here it is: http://pastebin.com/5xCDVDQ6 [15:34] you are right: qemu is still running [15:38] gona put "virsh list > /root/running_VMs" on rc.6 [15:38] one more reboot :) [15:38] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:40] damn... no running VMs at the time rc.6 is executed... but, qemu is running [15:41] gnoel (~gsan@cpe-66-65-134-160.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:41] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] so, there must be something wrong with "virsh list" at the time rc.6 is called [15:42] can you pause the shutdown within rc.6? spawn a shell from it perhaps? [15:45] i'm tired for now. [15:45] thx a lot for your help guys [15:45] Elfo: send BP{k} a voucher for some exotic beer ;-) [15:46] sorry for wasting your time: it looks like an issue with libvirt, and not slackware's init scripts [15:46] Dude, I'd send him a case of beer, if I could [15:47] Elfo: slackware's init scripts has not changed dramatically for many many years.. that is probably why we were scratching our heards :P [15:48] that's why I run slackware ;-) [15:48] AppDeb (~AppDeb@77.49.33.126.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:48] doesn't mean it's flawless... just much less anoying than other distros [15:49] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:49] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:49] well, time for my slack-snacks :) [15:50] thx again, dudes, specially BP{k} and his incredible patience [15:51] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:51] Elfo (n@bl18-68-184.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware. [15:52] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:53] Genk1 (~Am1ne@41.137.56.47) joined ##slackware. [15:56] gnoel (~gsan@cpe-66-65-134-160.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432045.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:02] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:12] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Elfo: Great! Well glad we got to the bottom of where the problem is. Now the rest ;-) .. Personally I would make sure the VM's are running before issuing a reboot .. ie "virsh list" <-- look at ouput if something is running ; shutdown ; use virsh list through the scripts to see where something goes screwy ;) [16:17] terry_ (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [16:18] is there an acx100 driver for slackware64? [16:18] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:18] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] AppDeb (AppDeb@77.49.33.126.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:21] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.9.12) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:22] is there an acx100 driver for 13.1 [16:22] or 13.0 [16:22] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.163.234) joined ##slackware. [16:22] ? [16:24] what is acx100? [16:24] that would be a kernel question, not a slack question [16:24] shitty wireless driver made by Texas Instruments. [16:24] has it moved to staging, or has it been dropped? [16:25] was it an out-of-tree driver before? [16:25] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:26] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/acx1xx [16:26] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-222-25.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.10) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [16:27] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: reboot [16:29] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [16:31] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:31] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:31] what's the difference between qemu and qemu-kvm? I thought I had ordinary qemu running with kvm last year [16:32] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:32] no [16:33] you need the kvm enabled qemu to use the KVM support from your cpu and kernel [16:33] it's been like that since the KVM project started [16:34] ah ok, ty [16:34] m3tti (~harlekin@p4FC57EC4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [16:35] ffuuuuu (ad4d721e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.114.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:36] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-127-137.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:37] hello [16:37] hello :-) [16:37] what is the best hard disk layout for a database server [16:37] like mysql ? [16:38] That all depends on the resources you have available [16:38] availl [16:38] oops [16:38] of course but I just need info in % [16:38] for example how much in % can takes /var/ [16:38] .. [16:39] Genk1: with Slackware? [16:40] Genk1: if you cant predict your storrage needs accurately, better stick things on one big partition then [16:40] slackware or not doesn't matter :P [16:40] Genk1: this is ##slackware if you hadnt noticed.. [16:40] macavity, right ! but it's not efficient ! [16:40] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("rally 'round the family. Pocket full o'shells"). [16:40] do you have more than one disk? [16:40] just one [16:41] a home server for test [16:41] then explain to me, in great detail, how I/O efficiency relates to partitioning.. really, id love to hear :P [16:43] it's not about I/0.. it's about for example if the partition that I will create will not be saturated after a few days.. because of the bad decision of taking the right size [16:43] ... [16:43] what we have here, is a failure to communicate [16:43] exactly... just create one big / partition and you wont have that problem [16:44] i have 10GB / and the rest for /home... but that is only because i like to do clean installs instead of upgrading [16:44] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.59.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:44] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:45] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:46] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.97.149) joined ##slackware. [16:46] really, if you have a *need* to make /tmp seperately (like on another disk, on a RAID, or if it is paramount that you can format other partitions without nuking this one) then by all means go ahead and do so.. but if you cant think of anything real, then it probably doesnt matter to you, and hence you are complicating a simple matter [16:46] miss_riss (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: miss_riss [16:46] macavity, look, my Intention is to right a complete database server solution that can be portable in any other infrastructure.. I mean the installation that I want to realize must be professional as for a big structure with millions of data [16:46] macavity, good ! [16:46] *snicker* [16:46] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.139) joined ##slackware. [16:47] luzl [16:47] lulz even [16:47] what database software are you using? [16:47] Genk1: you will fail... or you will read some serious manuals.. i mean, if you have to ask about something as trivial as partitioning you have a loooong way to go [16:48] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:48] gniks, of course Mysql ! [16:48] i though you said professional? [16:48] mysql is professional :p [16:48] macavity, :( [16:48] mysql stores data in /var/lib/mysql [16:48] macavity, where is the problem with it ? [16:49] if you need to preserve your data between rebuilds, its best to create a partition and mount it at /var/lib/mysql to store your DBs [16:49] gniks, hmm ! good start [16:49] and if you plan well, you will make it an lvm volume so that you can expand it later when you need to [16:50] Genk1: a) its future is highly unceartain after Oracle obtained Sun b) lots and lots of pros swear on their mothers grave that postgre has a much leaner and well maintained code base [16:50] gniks, now you are not snickering like EthanG :P [16:50] macavity: regardless of what Oracle does with mysql, it will live on in some form, and its maintained enough that there is no sound reason to abandon it yet [16:50] Genk1: id say, try and benchmark them against eachother, read up on what features they respectively support, try out those features on a real live problem... then you start learning the stuff that makes are pro :P [16:51] macavity, mariadb is the new mysq; [16:51] mysql* [16:51] id use postgresql if mysql were to die [16:51] tekzilla (~jon@d069018.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:51] gniks: commercial support could become a problem for one.. the professional environment tends to count that as a biggie [16:51] miss_riss (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [16:52] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.136.80) joined ##slackware. [16:52] ok thanks for the advice [16:52] macavity: professional support yes& however, if you are a professional DBA, you 1) should need very limited support and 2) with companies like Percona you can get support other ways [16:52] i am not saying go with one or the other... i am saying that "must be professonal as for big structure"-bla-bla is a *very* big statement that requires testing out several products and becomming and expert on SQL both as a lanage and on its implementations [16:53] yeah i agree with that statement [16:53] everything has pros and cons... learn them [16:53] tekzilla (~jon@d031231.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:53] plus, each RDBMS might perform differently in different applications [16:53] exactly [16:54] RickBuzzly_ (~rickbuzzl@166.205.139.38) joined ##slackware. [16:54] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [16:54] at my company we use, mysql-percona, oracle, postgresql, and now mongraldb [16:54] so mysql and postgres are just toys against oracle for example ? [16:54] mongreldb* [16:54] Genk1: no, i wouldn't say that [16:54] Genk1: nope [16:54] oracle is bloated, so unless you really need the bloated features, it might not be worth it [16:54] gniks: there are many loads underwhich either will blow oracle out of the whater [16:55] Genk1: ^^ [16:55] and vice versa :p [16:55] exactly [16:55] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:55] data processing is one of those things you need to test in your own environment, with your own SQL code, and your own data [16:55] postgre scales very well over many nodes in a cluster, mysql supports more internal data restructuring on a live system [16:56] which one will be most important to your client? [16:56] as each db software uses different methods to get the job done, and some will perform better with your datasets, and sql code [16:56] that too :p [16:56] as a sys admin I think mysql is far enough for my needs.. for example storing centralized logs, maintaining a user's database.. [16:56] Genk1: you were talking about millions of records earlier [16:56] lol.. i thought you said professional.. thats household databasing there [16:56] john_dee (~id@95-29-12-46.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:56] for centralized logging, you might want ot use something like mongrel [16:57] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [16:57] it would be baster, and you don't need all the fail safes that other systems require like transaction management [16:57] on a +2GHz system you will have your 10MB reply in a fraction of a seccond no matter how what :P [16:57] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.136.80) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:57] hi, which channels I need to set to "capture " to get the microphone working ? [16:57] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.227.199) joined ##slackware. [16:57] ok ok [16:57] paul424: depends on your sound card/chip [16:58] gniks, what is mongrel ? a webserver ? [16:58] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:58] its a non relational database system [16:58] its supposed to be one of the fastest ones out there [16:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongrel_%28web_server%29 [16:59] I've been using postgresql for years. I was using mysql before, but it was missing some features I wanted at the time and I really liked postgres' standard compliant sql :P [16:59] but it achieves that by stripping down the features others use [16:59] mongrel is also a web server [16:59] but im talking about mongreldb [16:59] the most popular ones ? Also when I hit the right channel will I immidietly hear the voice in the volumes or I have to record first .... i.e. would I get the automatic rerouting at once from in->out ? [16:59] \ok [17:00] s/will/would get [17:00] mako-sama: little birds have sung in my ear that if every CMS/app out there used compliant sql, MySQL would go tits up pretty fast [17:00] paul424: no [17:00] paul424: start krec or something like that and watch the wavegraph [17:01] so I have decided to install openLDAP and MySQL in the same machine server [17:01] why? [17:01] because he only has one [17:01] I will use your advice for your partitioning.. thank you [17:01] thats how we all started :P [17:01] lol well that would be a good reason then [17:01] haha [17:02] I will use virtualization then :P [17:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:02] i once built a mail/samba/ftp/proxy/ntp/router/gateway machine :P [17:02] oh, and print server :P [17:02] hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [17:02] ceuuuuff (ad4d721e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.77.114.30) joined ##slackware. [17:02] genk1 may not be worth it [17:02] macavity: I have that running here :P [17:02] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] unless you want to learn that too [17:02] at the same time :p [17:02] acx100 is a driver for the Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface. I'm wondering if there is a driver module for Slackware64? [17:03] mako-sama: it tends to go that way with home servers, doesnt it? [17:03] I was going to say "add printing and that'd be my server" but you said it first :P [17:03] or just for Slackware 13.1 or Slackware 13.0 [17:03] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:03] gniks, we are all learning everyday [17:03] terry_: i belive that BP{k} gave you a link on that just before? [17:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:03] nodoy is perfect :P [17:03] nobody* [17:03] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [17:03] Genk1: definitely& is what i mean is, depending on how you learn, learning virtualization and ldap and mysql might be a bit much all at once [17:04] nobody is perfect except from nodoy?.. who is he? :P [17:04] slackytude|evil (~slacky@drms-4d00018e.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] slackytude|evil: INFIDEL! :P [17:04] macavity: Oh, I see now. Tnx [17:04] macavity: yeah... 700mhz is more than enough to handle all that and more (I was using 133mhz but printing was slow) [17:04] macavity, it's the new nickname of pat :P [17:04] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d000fe4.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:05] but my question is : is slackware still alive :P ? [17:05] terry_: if you possibly can, get another wifi card.. you will never see great support on that one :-/ [17:05] because I didn't use it since many years [17:05] hhhhhh [17:05] haha yes its alive [17:05] kickack (~kickack@122.162.158.53) joined ##slackware. [17:05] what does it look like? 13.1 is out featureing KDE 4.4.3 and linux 2.6.33.4 [17:05] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:06] I come here because I have found a funny community :P [17:06] macavity: Looks like it would be a lot better if I just get another wireless card. [17:06] I think the only limit for Slackware is KDE ! [17:06] (One that is fully supported.) [17:06] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] terry_: unfortunately yes :-( [17:07] hi, could someone give me a hand with getting this to work on slackware. [17:07] Gnome is the best ! and it's very easy to handle [17:07] lulz [17:07] to each their own [17:07] lol [17:07] terry_: personally i swear to Atheros 9k series [17:07] Boeby (~Boeby@2-229.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [17:07] terry_: very very good support, and no firmware/blobs at all [17:07] http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#MFC-795CW [17:07] terry_: also they are of very low power consumption [17:07] what about cisco cards? :p [17:07] Genk1: I don't think gnome is better than KDE. they look about the same to me. [17:08] brother mfc-795cw printer [17:08] Action: Zbouby thinks kde 4 is now far better than gnome :p [17:08] it has an lpr driver and a cups wrapper driver though, i am not sure how either work.. [17:08] no ppd for that model [17:08] but I don't use kde or gnome so it doesn't matter much to me [17:08] mako-sama, take ubuntu as an example :P.. his popularity is because of adopting Gnome ! [17:09] Genk1: I don't think so [17:09] they only give examples for installing on fedora and debian based systems.. [17:09] any help would be appreciated. thanks [17:09] Genk1, not really [17:09] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-150.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:09] slackytude|foo (~slacky@drms-4d0001e9.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] gnome is soft and easy to maintain.. [17:09] Genk1: they could've worked with KDE to make it look like what they need. KDE is very easy to work with [17:10] and everyone windows user can handle it quickly [17:10] stinky: looks like you have to download the rpm and extract it with cpio [17:10] stinky: and copy the content to its right locations manually [17:11] macavity, I hate redhat world :s [17:11] im a mac user and i think kde is just fine :p [17:11] Genk1: why do you hate redhat world [17:11] that is ultimate professional enterprise stuff [17:11] slackytude|evil (~slacky@drms-4d00018e.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:11] past experience, probably [17:11] because redhat is 100 % commercial [17:11] macavity: i did d/l and used rpm2tgz to convert it though when i ran the executable it just did nothing. [17:11] Genk1: no its not [17:11] and fedora is just a testing version of redhat [17:11] they have fedora [17:11] plus centos [17:11] it serves redhat at the end [17:11] stinky: i think that is just files for cups and lpr [17:12] and what is wrong with being commercial? [17:12] stinky: have you started cups and checked if the printer shows up in its web interface configuration thingie? [17:12] centos is redhat without support nothing else [17:12] serioussly, whats wrong if they want to make money? [17:12] redhat helps push linux development forward, as they get paid to develop it [17:12] mako-sama, if you talk commercial. then there is no better that UNIX [17:12] than* [17:13] macavity: it does [17:13] gniks, not as debian do for linux community ! [17:13] Genk1: not everyone wants unix. linux is great and redhat, even though I hate their distros, are doing a great job [17:13] am0rphis (~ewq@79.124.215.37) joined ##slackware. [17:13] stinky: can you find your model in its config area? [17:13] just no driver for it and i've tried about 5 of the other ones [17:13] no [17:13] ok, so you need to see where slackware puts its cups files [17:14] one of them the printer actually says "receiving data" then does nothing afterward. [17:14] then manually take those out of the rpm (or converted tgz) and copy them into the right places [17:14] sluttyduck (~slut@66.161.224.139) joined ##slackware. [17:14] macavity: doesn't cups only use ppd files? [17:14] explodepkg is nice for that [17:14] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Changing host [17:14] SkyTV (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [17:14] mako-sama, if my corporate decided to invest in IT.. I will certainly bring Solaris or HP UX at work [17:14] ppd files are, afaik, for native cups [17:14] macavity: /usr/share/cups/ [17:15] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:15] this here is a wrapper for lpr [17:15] Nick change: SkyTV -> Skywise [17:15] yes, that seems like the way to go.. the wrapper [17:15] that is, you get an lpr driver and some hixhax that will let cups use it [17:15] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:15] right [17:16] i would guess that cups already *has* an lpr driver... but i am by no means an expert.. last time i fiddled with this i had to severly debug the splix driver to get anything working [17:16] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:16] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:16] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:17] Genk1: deian isn't used in most enterprise environments [17:17] Genk1: valid points, but not everyone think like you do [17:17] usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc795cw/cupswrapper/cupswrappermfc795cw [17:17] and usr/local/Brother/Printer/mfc795cw/cupswrapper/brcupsconfpt1 [17:17] feminists ruined debian anyway [17:17] Genk1: solaris is dead [17:17] way more dead than mysql [17:17] they might as well change its name to lesbian gnu/linux [17:17] stinky: so, time to become Sherlock holmes and investigate everything in that package, and compare it to /var/log/packages/cups-* [17:18] mako-sama, I love Linux this why I use it.. not because he is the best in the market ! [17:18] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:18] kickack: Your points bear no merit. [17:18] kickack: there was a distro named lesbian iirc [17:18] Genk1: it is great for lots of markets [17:18] mako-sama, oh nvm then [17:18] macavity: okay. [17:18] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [17:18] they are actually scipts [17:18] gniks, so for you anything that was purchased by oracle is dead then :P [17:18] kickack: what a load of BS... [17:18] kickack: it was a debian parody though :P [17:19] Genk1: no, but if you are following the solaris end, you will see that oracle exec board has yet to get back to the solaris team on their fate [17:19] also, oracle hates open source [17:19] dude, they openly practice censorship of software [17:19] not to mention several technologies that sun created for solaris have been in courts for years, i guarantee oracle won't fight to keep them alive [17:20] lol [17:20] Genk1: I love linux and I think it's the best. not because it can do everything better than anything else, but because it _will_ be able to do those things equally well, if not better [17:20] so I will migrate to Postgres right now [17:20] kickack: so, Slackware openly ships unregistered shareware [17:20] kickack: which is worse probably depends on your own standpoint [17:20] http://women.debian.org/ [17:21] yes nice idea [17:21] there is no men.debian.org [17:21] macavity: cupswrappermfc795cw http://pastebin.ca/1917638 [17:21] Genk1: our previous conversation stated that wasn't necessary [17:21] whuch is sexist by definition [17:21] gniks, just kidding :) [17:21] mako-sama, good for you [17:21] :p [17:21] every OS has its place, some are better for different applications [17:22] but linux has come so far that its best in most applications [17:22] kickack, thats a false dichotomy since debian.org is the man's site [17:22] there are specific outliers that solaris, HP, and others will rule [17:22] kickack: yesterday someone called my GF "cunt" on this network... noone ever threw mud at me for being a man.. so i guess this whole "feminist" thing is just a reaction to the real root of the problem [17:22] macavity: looks like i have to change everything from SysV to bsd init locations [17:22] hehe [17:22] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:23] what about BSD worlds.. why we never talk about just like we do for Linux and Unix [17:23] ? [17:23] and this? http://women.debian.org/profiles/ they get a special mention just because they happen to have a vagina [17:23] Genk1: linux is great on the desktop, it's excellent on servers. one would argue that OSX or windows are better on the desktop right now or that Unix/BSD are better on servers.. that doesn't really matter much [17:23] bsd is largely irrelevant to most people [17:23] Mowah (1000@c-1e87e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:23] stinky: look at line 74 [17:23] kickack: dont forget: not all people with vaginas are women, and not everyone who's a woman has a vagina. [17:23] stinky: that is where it actually begins creating the ppd file [17:23] mako-sama: i wasn't arguing specific applications [17:23] okay [17:24] because that will change daily, and in each persons opinion [17:24] maco, LOL [17:24] stinky: you can just copy paste that out and manually create the file and stick it in the right place (i think) [17:24] so what happend to the women without vaginas? [17:24] maco: ok right :D [17:24] Skywise: some of them get surgery to creat one, some don't? [17:24] mako-sama, Indeed ! [17:24] heh creat... good typo for a *nix channel [17:24] stinky: get aaaaal of that down to line 700 [17:25] not-including [17:25] i understand [17:25] makes sense. [17:25] darylc (4ca7e91d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.167.233.29) joined ##slackware. [17:25] kickack: women's groups tend to be a reaction to othering http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Othering [17:26] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:26] stinky: slackware has /etc/init.d/ if you installed the sysvinit package [17:26] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [17:27] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-98-45.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:27] aye.. this looks doable [17:27] yes, though I'm not changing the standard on my system to match the program. :) [17:27] so, to get rid of 'othering', they create different groups exclusive to women. yeah, thats going to solve the problem [17:27] exclusive? [17:27] stinky: from what i read you dont need to [17:27] i think you will find that debian women is not exclusive [17:27] maco, yeah, i don't see a man being mentioned on women.debian.org [17:27] kickack, i don't think you'd really wanna be on those conversations [17:27] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:28] i copied the stuff for the ppd to a new file, gonna see if it works now [17:28] its meerly a support group to help women when they are having trouble integrating into the larger development environment and a place for mentorship for those wanting to get more involved [17:28] kickack, consider it a benefit that women congregate to themselves [17:28] just because the men arent listed doesnt mean they dont exist, silly! [17:28] wow just wow [17:28] stinky: from 727 to 866 creates the actual wrapper [17:28] i know for certain that Steve Langasek, the debian release manager for a number of years, is a member of Debian Women [17:28] this is all entirely adjustable to slackware locations [17:28] i'd think the lack of men would stem from the lack of intrest rather then exclusino [17:29] stinky: from there on it is just installation stuff.. which you will be doing by hand anyway [17:29] Skywise: yep [17:29] stinky: so basically it creates two files and isntalls them [17:29] dude, they claim they want to stop being referred to as 'others' so to solve the problem, they creat women.debian.org? h\isnt that worsen the situation? [17:29] no [17:30] its a safe place where they can be around other people who think they're normal [17:30] kickack, wait, now you want women to make sense? [17:30] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:30] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Skywise, unrealistic expectations, yeah [17:30] *** Now ignoring kickack [17:30] for when the wider foss community (the sort of people who send me emails asking why on earth a hot chick would be involved in linux, and am i crazy?) get to be too much [17:30] RickBuzzly_ (~rickbuzzl@166.205.139.38) left irc: Quit: buh-bye. [17:31] Anybody have experience getting a Broadcom WIFI PCMCIA card working? Dell 8200, Slack 13.1. I have been to broadcom site, and followed instructions in slackbuilds to install kernel module. iwconfig sees the card? wpa_supplicant KDE GUI does not see the card. [17:31] macavity: okay, gonna look over it. i'll let you know my out come. thanks [17:31] stinky: if you are up for a challence you could have a stab at making a script that automates the process and upload that to slackbuilds.org [17:32] stinky: then everyone who has a printer like yours would benefit from your hardship [17:32] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [17:32] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:33] darylc: which GIU is that? [17:33] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187.32.40.189) joined ##slackware. [17:33] darylc: can you post the output of lspci -vnn | grep broadcom [17:34] GUI in KDE, I also tried editing wpa_supplicacnt.conf by hand. [17:34] macavity: i might. right now i'm battling a tooth ache problem and the medicine doesn't help my thought process or patience, though possibly in the near future. :) [17:34] High_Priest (~Mean@cable-94-189-161-230.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: ... [17:34] macavity: back to quesrtion , may I use the Pulse Volume Audio Meter , for my purpose ? [17:34] [capture ] ? [17:35] paul424: i dont know anything about pulse audio (yet), and i am scared shitless of alsa.conf files [17:35] kickack: returned nothing [17:35] stinky: ask anything you need if you are working on a slackbuilds.org project, ok? [17:35] macavity: will do. thank you [17:36] darylc: have you tried starting wpa_supplicant without -B so you get debug output to the console? [17:36] darylc: like wpa_supplicnat -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0 [17:37] darylc, then do lspci -vnn and post the output of the wl card [17:37] Broadcom cards have traditionally been acting up, but with b43-fwcutter and freinds from SBo, it usually works [17:38] darylc: what chipset is it? [17:38] darylc: what model specifically [17:38] macavity:debug gives me scan timeout : ioctl[SIOCSIWSCAN]: Network is down [17:39] darylc: ok, time to check what stinky said.. we need to determin the exact model [17:40] darylc: you *did* install b43fwcutter and b43firmware yadiyadiyadi in the right order etc as slackbuild.org said, right? [17:40] stinky: btw, you dont smell as bad as your nick suggests :P [17:41] heheh, thanks for noticing. ;) [17:42] no - I tried to use broadcoms offerings and slackbuilds.org package to add a module to the kernel last night. have not tried cutter/firmware route yet. [17:42] model: BCM4311 - according to Broadcom it is now supported, and i had it working with SW 13.0 [17:43] kickack (~kickack@122.162.158.53) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge [17:43] darylc: if it says network is down, did you use ifconfig wlan0 up first to bring it up? [17:44] Psychonautlib (~Psychonau@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:44] ifconfig wlan0 up returned "SCIOCSI blah blah Network Down" [17:44] ok, reading up on this.. and 4311 IS supported [17:44] SCIOSCIFFLAGS: No such file or directory [17:45] darylc: look at the broadcom-sta package on slackbuilds.org [17:45] stinky: slackbuilds.org has b43fwcutter which is a tool needed by the b43firmware package [17:45] stinky: install them in that order, reboot and you will be goled [17:45] stinky: the in-kernel driver works, but it misses the firmware as that is non-redistributable [17:45] eeek [17:46] darylc: all that was for you :P [17:46] i used broadcom-sta on my 4318 because that was the only one that would work for that low powered model. [17:46] thanks! will do and get back [17:46] Psychonautlib (~Psychonau@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:46] darylc: lets just hope you didnt screw anything up with the driver from broadcom-sta [17:46] darylc: basically, check them both. broadcom-sta was the last official driver provided by broadcom themselves. [17:47] yeah, i dont remember using it last time i configured this laptop [17:47] stinky: 4318 is also fully supported by b43 now [17:47] all people need is the firmware [17:47] ah well, i traded mine for an atheros anyway. heheh [17:47] good choice [17:47] the ath9k stuff is getting pretty impressive [17:47] the .ini? I have that.. . tore it from an .exe [17:48] darylc: no... just let slackbuilds.org handle it for you [17:48] ath5k acutally. did some work on a friends laptop and they let me switch my wifi card with theirs as payment. [17:48] darylc: again: b43-fwcutter is a tool you need to install first [17:48] _merciful_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:49] darylc: *then* you install b43-firmware [17:49] darylc: then you can remove the b43-fwcutter package if you dont want it (i say, leave it you may need it again) [17:50] darylc: after you have installed the b43-firmware package, there will be a new file in /lib/firmware/ that matches the b43 driver that slackware already shipped with [17:50] said b43 driver just doesnt work without the firmware [17:50] the Linux kernel is actually going to be maintaining the broadcom drivers natively in the near future. i just don't know when that is going to happen (if it hasn't in the latest kernel already) [17:51] stinky: it is just a matter of time before people get pissed enough at crappy firmware and RE it [17:51] stinky: it somewhat annoys me that the intel firmware for my iwl3945 works so well that noone is willing to invest the time in creating a free firmware for it :-/ [17:51] well, broadcom is just happy they don't have to deal with patching for every kernel release now. :) [17:51] it is the only pice of proprietary blob crap i have left [17:52] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] stinky: the way they have handled this whole situation has made sure i wont buy broadcom ever... likewise with nvidia... [17:53] I have no issues with nvidia. as long as their drivers work well. [17:53] _merciful_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [17:53] psychonautlib (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:53] blobs are not good enough for me [17:53] nvidia drivers are works of art compared to ati's [17:54] at least ati has the decency of publishing proper programming docs for their chips [17:54] i really don't have anything against closed-source. i just think open source is better for the obvious reasons. [17:54] i don't think they're complete [17:55] stinky: ive been bitten enough time by proprietary software to loath it [17:55] *times [17:56] stinky: like in right now, wouldnt you wish that brother had just gone directly to upstream and delivered PPD files for inclusion in cups? [17:56] nvidia drivers seem to have been coded by over caffinated, sleep deprived monkeys in a room with a erratically blinking flourescent light and a keyboard that generates random shocks [17:56] er ati drivers... [17:56] i wont ever know.. i watch the feature matrix of the mesa drivers, and when time is right i will get an Ati card :P [17:57] we live in hope [17:57] since i read the mesa-dev ml every day i know pretty much how far they have come [17:57] open source has several advantages, but nvidia drivers were very stable for a long time. Not quite sure about now >_> [17:57] the gallium stack rocks to say the least [17:58] um.. what's the command to change your default group? [17:58] not permanently... [17:58] chgrp? [17:58] no thats on files [17:58] usermod -g [17:59] nope [17:59] but that would be until you changed it again [17:59] yup [17:59] psychonautlib (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:00] macavity: yes. [18:00] yes to what.. things turned a little assynchronious :P [18:00] got it, newgrp [18:00] sorry for the distraction :D [18:01] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.203) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:01] no thats nice.. i learned someting [18:01] btw, when does one need this? [18:01] spectre (~kyle@rrcs-71-42-182-234.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] yeah, i didn't know about it either [18:02] macavity: yes about the brother driver [18:02] i would just add the group, unless you wanted to create files with the particular group [18:02] eabeacer (~eabeacer@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:03] foldy (~foldy@mail.foldy.org) left irc: Quit: Odcházím [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] macavity: the only issue i see in this script is it's reference to /etc/init.d/lpd though i do not see lpd as a command anywhere on my system [18:03] stinky: and i bet you that it is some corporate bone head who thinks that the competition will somehow get a leg up if they Brother doesnt copyright instead of copyleft [18:03] /etc/rc.d/ or otherwise [18:03] macavity: probably :) [18:04] stinky: lpd is actually a dummy command provided by cups now [18:04] stinky: so when cups is started, so is lpd [18:04] stinky: i *think* that all you need is to copy the two embedded files to their right locations [18:05] eabeacer (~eabeacer@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [18:05] ah [18:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431683.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:05] well, i actually ran the script fro the correct location and it created the ppd. [18:05] but look over the script carefully.. does it create a shit load of directories? [18:05] though, after selecting it as the driver I still am unable to print [18:05] aww [18:05] macavity: no, not really [18:05] You may have to restart cupsd. [18:06] gm152++ [18:06] yeah, let me try that [18:06] Then your printer should show in the CUPS GUI interface. [18:07] well, it does. that is not the issue. the issue is it says "receiving data" on the printer then prints nothing [18:07] even after the restart of cups [18:07] kind of irratation [18:07] irratating [18:08] macavity: I found the bcmwl5.inf in /lib/firmware... Can you point me to the next logical step? I'm afraid of fragging my laptop (again). [18:08] :-( [18:08] irritating* :) [18:08] Genk1 (~Am1ne@41.137.56.47) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:08] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:09] darylc: did that file end up in there because of you installing b43-firmware from slackbuilds.org? [18:09] yes [18:09] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [18:09] then i think remmod b43 && modprobe b43 should solve the problem [18:09] am0rphis_ (~ewq@91.145.205.185) joined ##slackware. [18:09] *rmmod [18:09] if that doesnt work, try a reboot [18:10] stinky: Maybe this might help: http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?30,39883,40777 [18:11] macavity; returned ERROR: Module b43 does not exist in /proc/modules ? [18:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:11] O_o [18:11] hang on [18:11] am0rphis (~ewq@79.124.215.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:11] gm152: thanks. gonna have a look. I was not able to find anything on google about this. hopefully this helps. [18:12] darylc: modprobe b43 [18:12] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] replay (~replay@69.26.207.101) joined ##slackware. [18:12] returned nothing... success? [18:12] good [18:12] replay (~replay@69.26.207.101) left irc: Changing host [18:12] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [18:12] check dmesg [18:12] check dmesg | tail -n 15 [18:12] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [18:12] greetings and salutations [18:13] greetings andarius :-) [18:13] salutations macavity [18:13] hows the latest waffle experiments comming? [18:13] umm, terribly due to extreme procrastination :P [18:13] Essentially, installing the foomatic package needs to be installed but Slackware does not provide one, iirc. [18:14] salutations foobarz [18:14] macavity: driver loaded, firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found [18:14] lol.. why did i feel guilt the seccond i saw the word "procrastination" on my screen? :P [18:15] darylc: you installed b43-fwcutter first, then b43-firmware from slackbuilds.org? [18:15] gm152: 4.0K /var/log/packages/foomatic-filters-4.0.4-i486-1 [18:15] darylc: notably, for slackware 13.1? [18:15] sorry... forgot firmware step. brb [18:15] >_< [18:15] stinky: You have that installed while those errors are appearing? So much for that idea. [18:16] gm152: the issue is that brother doesn't provide a ppd file.. only a cups ppd wrapper. [18:16] gm152: yes i did [18:16] OK. [18:16] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [18:17] strange thing is that it shows "receiving data" on the printer so it's talking. just doesn't print afterwards. this is a network printer btw. [18:17] migrating to kde4 is so painful :( [18:18] old settings don't match [18:18] vdv: i found it easier to just filter out the callender files etc and start over [18:18] youre suppose to mv/rm your old ~/.kde directory first i think [18:19] How are you doing it? ipp? lpd? [18:19] macavity, reconfigure everything from begin? [18:20] eabe (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:20] vdv: yes.. i backed up my .kde dir and started over [18:20] eabe (eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left ##slackware. [18:21] then copied over the calender and contact files etc [18:21] macavity: do same thing now [18:21] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [18:21] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:22] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:22] macavity, but i forgot most things that, for example how i get some app working, which deps it have [18:23] in old system i've installed/configured every app separately [18:23] and now i must reproduce everything [18:23] not only kde apps [18:24] yes.. it is funny how fast we forget things [18:24] i have done it a hundred times over, and yet, i *still* fight how to get xine to open iso files right [18:25] :) [18:25] but in general, kde4 is very very cool [18:25] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:25] performan was for me important [18:25] in its 4.4.3 incarnation it is even reasonably stable [18:25] *performance [18:26] i am reluctant to jump to 4.5.0 [18:26] lets wait a few months and see :P [18:26] :) [18:26] i switched off all effects, disabled strigi [18:27] but with akonagi is somewhat strange [18:27] there's no option to turn it off in settings [18:27] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [18:28] i checked, it wasn't running, so i hope it won't start next time i log in [18:28] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:28] psychonautlib (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:28] macavity: ./b43-firmware.SlackBuild: line 33: b43-fwcutter: command not found... any ideas? [18:30] Action: alphageek eyes 13.1/network/b43-fwcutter/ [18:30] psychonautlib (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [18:31] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:31] psychonautlib (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Nick change: psychonautlib -> Guest18728 [18:35] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Nick change: Guest18728 -> psychonautlib_ [18:37] darylc: you did not install b43-fwcutter from slackbuilds.org [18:38] hey macavity , do you use firefox in kde ? [18:38] macavity: I did, I guess it was unsucessfull. I will follow your steps again, unless that is not correct. [18:38] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] macavity: success "Slackware package /tmp/b43-fwcutter-013-i486-1.SBo.tgz created" [18:42] now install it [18:42] installpkg /tmp/b43-fwcutter*tgz [18:42] macavity: I apologize, I don't know what I am installing at this point [18:42] thx [18:42] the slackbuild *creates* the package [18:43] installpkg *installs* the package :P [18:43] Oh, I didn't understand the architecture of SlackBuilds [18:43] so, dont forget to do both with b43-firmware too :P [18:43] this could explain a lot! [18:45] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.180) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [18:46] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.13.226) joined ##slackware. [18:47] macavity; both packages created and installed... do you still have room for a pointer to step 3? [18:47] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187.32.40.189) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:48] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. 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[18:53] macavity: hm we're doing well on the beer front tonight. ;) [18:53] darylc: give it to BP{k} instead.. i dont drink, but thanks for the consideration :-) [18:54] darylc: now, heres a real lifesaver: go to sbopkg.org and download a nice menudriven interface for slackbuilds.org that automatically downloads and installs packages for you ;-) [18:54] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:54] darylc: now that i know that you know how slackbuilds really work, i think you have earned your license to convenience ;-) [18:54] macavity: demand to be paid in decent coffee instead ;) [18:54] oh, nice :-) [18:54] macavity: sushi, amburgers, salad... whatever. Thanks! Who is BP{k}? [18:54] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] yo! [18:55] darylc: he is my goto guy when i ram my head against the wall :P [18:56] stinky: You should first determine if the printer prints locally (direct hookup from computer to printer). If the printer does print, then it's a network issue. [18:57] yeah, i will have to do that though it's a pain because of the location of the desktop and the printer [18:58] In the end, it could be some ipp misconfiguration or something. [18:58] well, the windows machine prints over the network fine. [18:58] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187.32.40.189) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:59] that does it, i'm switching to windows as my main OS. [18:59] ;) [18:59] cike [18:59] Heh. [19:00] i will get it to work though need a break right now from it and will try again later [19:01] psychonautlib_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:01] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [19:01] psychonautlib_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[19:03] slackytude|foo (~slacky@drms-4d0001e9.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:04] good question.. i have never seen xine do that [19:04] it would depend heavily on the error. you are more likely to find a way to make xine ignore certain errors than you are to fix said errors in a video file [19:04] i mostly have some futurama, family guy, seinfeld movie clips which cause such xine behavior [19:05] _psychonautlib_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Client Quit [19:05] ah I noticed a few errors.. only on jpg files though (before I thought to try xv) [19:05] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [19:05] try mplayer to see if it has the same issues ? [19:05] macavity: Wow! Many thanks to Chess of sbopkg too! [19:06] andarius: i could, let me try that [19:07] darylc: your wellcome :-) [19:07] *you're [19:07] yesyes (~yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:08] must get off this windows machine... bye! [19:08] darylc (4ca7e91d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.167.233.29) left irc: Quit: Page closed [19:08] o/ [19:08] "invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected" error, but movie is played well for now [19:08] through mplayer [19:10] _psychonautlib_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187.32.40.189) joined ##slackware. [19:10] szonek (~soakda@wieszjakjest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:15] _psychonautlib_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:15] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187.32.40.189) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:15] psychonautlib_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:16] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.163.234) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:16] pupit: that looks like it was streamed and dumped to file [19:18] szonek (~soakda@wieszjakjest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.180.44) joined ##slackware. [19:20] psychonautlib_ (eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left ##slackware. [19:21] macavity: you are the expert for demystifying errors :) now, screen is freezes, console is blank, no error, and xine just finished playing movie on the 3rd minute... :s [19:22] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [19:22] i wonder if xine can skip these.. google-ing [19:22] Is the Belkin F5D7000 a fully supported wireless NIC? [19:23] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) left irc: Client Quit [19:24] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-65-157.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:24] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [19:25] Is the Belkin F5D7000 a fully supported Wireless NIC? [19:25] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:25] ask a few more times as other users... we need at least 5 times [19:25] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.5) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [19:26] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:27] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187.32.40.189) joined ##slackware. [19:27] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:29] hahaha [19:30] mplayer freezes too, where xine freezes: "error at MB: 537" [19:31] SLACKWARE FOREVER [19:31] DIVISION BY ZERO. [19:31] READY [19:31] [] [19:32] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.246.202) joined ##slackware. [19:32] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:34] pupit: perhaps you can transcode it? [19:34] pupit: if ffmpeg can do it without chocking, then you can transcode it [19:35] am0rphis_ (~ewq@91.145.205.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:35] macavity: i guess, never did that to be honest, you mean to put it another format with ffmpeg? [19:36] yes [19:36] macavity: alright, that i did. :) [19:36] beware though, transcode has a severely horrid syntax [19:36] the easy way out is ffmpeg2thaora [19:37] i would wish the transcode guys would make something like a2ps [19:37] ill lookup some howto, im so addicted to those :) [19:37] morb (~morb@93-141-22-227.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [19:38] yes... good goat porn is hard to come by ;-) [19:42] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:44] ZMR (~Who@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [19:47] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:52] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] HI all! [19:54] m3tti (~harlekin@p4FC57EC4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:55] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:57] eabeacer (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:57] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:58] ArTourter_ (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:58] hello [19:58] m3tti (~m3tti@p4FC57EC4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:58] ...so, its my second day as a Slacker. Enjoying the migration from Ubuntu! Very nice. Very solid 64bit so far! [19:58] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:59] macavity: ffmpeg chokes, clips deleted. SOLVED [20:00] artvdroid (~androirc@cpe-075-176-171-074.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:01] m3tti, I think what you were wanting to know about earlier is the screen hardstatus line. [20:02] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-21.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] m3tti, this is something like mine: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/sXMGEb42.html [20:03] heya folks [20:05] hi MLanden [20:05] artvdroid (~androirc@cpe-075-176-171-074.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:05] heya dive [20:06] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:07] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 608 seconds [20:08] dive: is zsh better than bash [20:08] ? [20:08] no war please [20:08] or what is the diffrence betwean them [20:08] pupit: how did that solve anything? [20:09] well it depends on your usage I guess, but zsh does some nice autocomplete with ssh/scp [20:09] that's my favourite use of it [20:10] of course though that relies on having ssh with no password and/or a key file [20:12] macavity: a lot of clips have those errors, its easier for me to delete them and find better source. ive tried few times with ffmpeg, same spot, sane error in trans-codding. ffmpeg hangs ad quits... [20:12] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.102) joined ##slackware. [20:12] m3tti_ (~m3tti@p57B7AE69.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [20:15] pupit: ok.. so resolution: WONTFIX :P [20:15] m3tti (~m3tti@p4FC57EC4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:18] m3tti_ (~m3tti@p57B7AE69.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:19] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:19] m3tti (~user@p57B7AE69.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] grazymax (~grazymax@host84-25-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:25] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [20:26] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 615 seconds [20:32] noob question! I want to install a package called xtrlock, but there is no slackbuild script for it. With Slackware, is it ok to compile the source, and do a make install? [20:33] yes it is ok [20:33] m3tti (~user@p57B7AE69.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:33] thanks tank-man [20:33] having a package is just for easier management [20:34] are there any packages that work with slackware too, like .deb? [20:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:36] fortunev, slackware does come with rpm but I think most of us prefer to make out own slackbuilds rather than go that route [20:36] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [20:36] of course there's always rpm2tgz too [20:37] grazymax (~grazymax@host120-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:38] dive - after I get the source, I'd like to make a slackbuild script for it. That might be a bit ambitious though, but I'll give it a shot. [20:39] fortunev, have a look at the templates on slackbuilds.org [20:39] k [20:39] http://slackbuilds.org/templates/ [20:40] they are well commented [20:40] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:03] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:03] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:03] 1 sec [21:05] xtrlock compile errorshttp://pastebin.com/DBTz9JVm [21:08] you did run "./configure" right? as I doubt you are using pam [21:09] fatalnix_ (~fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:09] andarius - there's no configure file [21:09] fatalnix (~fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [21:11] fortunev: where did you get the source...perhaps,I can help [21:11] andarius, xtrlock pkg contents Makefile lock.bitmap mask.bitmap xtrlock.c xtrlock.man [21:11] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 619 seconds [21:12] MLaden, xtrlock source http://github.com/remyoudompheng/xtrlock [21:12] 2.0-14 has an imake file, not Makefile. [21:13] sinuhe, do you know where I can dl the source? [21:13] The README (in debian/) has some notes on compilation. [21:13] http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian/pool/main/x/xtrlock// [21:16] That's the master site according to Freshmeat. Not sure what the github is. A fork perhaps? [21:16] ashtif (~ashtif@54009ED3.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:17] (The code at the github site only uses a Makefile.) [21:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:18] Ah, there it is. The Makefile as -lpam [21:18] s/as/has/ [21:19] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:21] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [21:21] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:21] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Remember Panzer, A dear friend. [21:23] ok did the xmkmf then make install. Looks like it installed, in /usr/bin/ but its not working. [21:23] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [21:23] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:24] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:31] metrofox (metrofox@ppp-89-249.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). [21:32] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] fortunev: ok..any error when you run xtrlock from terminal? [21:33] Volturi (~Invoked@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:33] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:33] Volturi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Phazey, you invoked horror and nausea when you visited, so you're not welcome here any more. We have enough mindless noise here already without you. [21:33] Yes. I get "password entry has no pwd" [21:33] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 622 seconds [21:35] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:35] The mouse icon should turn to a blue lock, but no workie [21:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [21:40] gm149 (~opera@d173-238-243-212.home4.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] MLaden, the error suggests that xtrlock is looking for a password entry that it cant find. Is there a place that X stores the login password for the current user? [21:40] MLanden [21:41] fortunev: looking at the source...problem may be that it can not use shadow passwords [21:41] gm149 (opera@d173-238-243-212.home4.cgocable.net) left ##slackware. [21:42] MLanden, I read that, in the install notes, but didn't understand what shadow pw were. Hmmm.... Arrrrg.... Thanks for the assist. [21:43] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Quit: 221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.3-dev [21:43] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [21:44] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-4.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] fortunev: np someone forked xtrlock to this ---> https://code.google.com/p/alock/source/browse/README?spec=svn69ca4189ffe8959c71de54568e1d15be253c5d4d&r=69ca4189ffe8959c71de54568e1d15be253c5d4d might compile...good luck [21:44] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [21:46] Ill give that a shot also. Does this blurb make sense to you? http://pastebin.com/7CGJ6Cwy [21:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:48] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:50] Kevin` (~kevin@etmalec.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:51] Kevin` (~kevin@etmalec.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:56] goj (~goj@p4FE6B122.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:56] Andre_Barboza (~andre@187.32.40.189) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:56] alan` (alan@rrcs-67-52-47-64.west.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:57] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:57] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:57] Kevin` (~kevin@etmalec.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [21:58] MLanden, the "Makefile"? and is there any special place? [21:58] im too drunk to remmeber how to register with nickserv [21:58] lol [21:59] /msg nickserv [password] ? [21:59] register password [21:59] thanks [21:59] '/msg nickserv register password' [21:59] msg nickserv identify password [21:59] doh [21:59] fortunev: Thanks. You type faster than I to correct. :) [22:00] thanks [22:00] too much wine [22:00] s/I/me/ [22:00] Don't chat and drink. ;) [22:01] matrix__ (~matrix@host-65-173-59-37.acelerate.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [22:03] fortunev: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/have-an-active-display-desktop-without-screensaver-with-the-keyboard-locked-out-669829/ might have the same results [22:06] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [22:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:06] MLanden, - alock was a bust also... Probably with a bit more experience, I could get it. Ill have a look at linuxquestions.. Thanks [22:06] fortunev: sorry couldn't help further...good luck on your quest [22:10] MLanden, Thanks again - you were all over this one. Nice to see such awesome Slacker support !! [22:10] the good thing about slackware, i dont have to contribute anything :D [22:11] perfect for a lazy person like myself :D [22:11] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:11] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:12] fortunev: np [22:13] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:17] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 600 seconds [22:21] dustybin: you mean selfish, not lazy. [22:21] or maybe both. [22:22] im guilty of both [22:22] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] linuxquestions confirms what I thought about xtrlock. Its looking for pw in /etc/passwd, but slackware puts them in /etc/shadow/ If i symlink the /etc/shadow file to /etc/passwd could I break anything? [22:23] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:23] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [22:24] dustybin: but is it guilt or want of recognition that made you post those how-to articles on your website? [22:24] :) [22:24] haha [22:24] I don't see how such a link would solve your problem fortunev [22:24] well, those were my notes on my desktop, so i thought i would put them online [22:24] people often say things that their actions contradict. [22:24] when i was a debian user [22:25] so you switched to Slackware when you gave up on the rest of the Linux world? [22:25] i didnt like the way debian changed things [22:25] what do you mean? [22:25] stuff like apache is totally different to how it was meant to be [22:25] andarius, my thinking is make a symlink called /etc/passwd that points to /etc/shadow, so xtrlock finds the passwd file its looking for but gets the data from the shadow file. Is that way off base? [22:25] I used to use Debian but I don't like how I had to install avahi to install Amarok [22:26] i want to learn the vanilla way, not the distro way [22:26] fortunev: that will effectivly kill your ability to log in [22:26] fortunev: I suggest you look into the difference between /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow [22:26] fortunev: as /etc/passwd already exist, and is rather important to the system.. try and look over it and you will see :P [22:26] it is cleary noted that xtrlock does not support the use of shadown passwords [22:27] dustybin: Slackware is not the vanilla way, it is the Volkerding way. ;) [22:27] alan` (alan@rrcs-67-52-47-64.west.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:27] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-24.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [22:27] well yes, but its pretty much vanilla as you can get [22:27] ... which tranlates to "mostly vanilla.. except when that is braindamaged" [22:27] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [22:27] macavity: "brain damaged" in this instance is subjective. [22:28] obviously.. but i tend to agree with Pat, so i like his changes [22:28] ubuntu change important system files from 1 release to the next,stuff like that shocks me [22:28] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:28] :( then its over then. My hopes and dreams of xtrlock running on Slackware have crashed and burned like a dc10. The humanity... [22:28] slackware patched modprobe to look for modules.d before modules.conf a long time before it hit upstream [22:28] I'm not saying that I disagree with Mr. Volkerding at all, merely that he has his own way of doing stuff. [22:29] before i used slackware i was worried about deps, the solution is, just do a full install :D [22:29] ...queue the violin track... [22:30] havent had a problem with slackware at all, its nice and clean [22:31] dustybin: You can just do a full installation of any other distribution and not have to worry about dependencies. [22:31] i like the way i can edit a slackbuild [22:31] so it can compile what version of source code i want [22:31] matrix__ (~matrix@host-65-173-59-37.acelerate.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [22:31] i cannot edit a debian package [22:32] or maybe there is a way.. [22:32] dustybin: the same can be said for Debian.. though it takes a little more reading to get the system [22:32] ok [22:32] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.46.176.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:32] why does debian change the whole structure of apache? [22:32] actually, taking appart an srcdep and editing it to a new tarball isnt hard [22:33] dustybin: because debian is, litterally, an OS [22:33] No, I like Debian. [22:33] Action: popl is wearing a Debian t-shirt. [22:33] :D [22:33] Debian has my outmost respect.. dpkg just happens to annoy the hell out of me [22:34] actually, i use slackware because it is what annoys me the least.. not because i am always happy with it :P [22:34] me too macavity [22:34] well it annoys me still [22:34] it's a love/hate thing [22:34] :) [22:34] i tried opensuse yesterday... no go, whatsoever [22:34] i dont hate anything, just would rather learn the software without it being changed [22:34] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:35] The last time I tried openSUSE was years ago. [22:35] opensuse have in house coders [22:35] who work on it, like redhat? [22:35] Novell [22:35] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:35] yep [22:35] its probably among the top dogs in usability.. but man, what an unstable crackwhore.. still.. [22:35] Wooya... lookee lookee what I found. Under my nose the whole time ! http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/desktop/slock/ [22:36] fedora - even worse [22:36] macavity: unstable crackwhore... wonder if they use that in their press releases [22:36] ubuntu - annoyance factor 2000.. and also not too stable [22:36] I haven't tried Ubuntu lately. [22:37] ubuntu change system file heirachy frome one release to the next [22:37] debian - rock solid in every respect, but the parent of the ubuntu annoyance [22:37] I recently built a Debian DNS server as a project. That went relatively smoothly. [22:37] dustybin: slackware just introduces them gradually [22:38] From empty VM disk image to chrooted bind server probably took me 2 hours tops [22:39] oh, i have no doubts that debian is an *excelent* server OS.. and if i were ever to reccomend something professionally it would probably be Debian or OpenBSD (if the hardware is supported) [22:40] Once I did a phone interview and the interviewer asked me what Linux distribution I used. I said Slackware and he scoffed. :P [22:40] "I didn't know that was still around." [22:40] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 622 seconds [22:40] the problem with Debian is that it does *not* tollerate that i endlessly fiddle with the system and tweak and mod and overwrite files at will [22:41] every two minutes dpkg will come runing and tell me to run dpgk --reconfigure fubar [22:41] macavity: yeah, i can see having that issue with debian [22:41] or refuse to install something totally unrelated because i manually doctored up a binary at the other end of the system [22:42] popl: seemed like the interviewer was ill-informed..;) [22:42] macavity: i'm itching to try draconian, though [22:42] MLanden: yeah [22:42] MLanden: I didn't want to work for him anyways. [22:42] that is when i shout "get out of my hair!!!"... and fetch my slackware install media :P [22:42] nyRednek: let me google that [22:42] macavity: slackware-based, with pkgsrc as its packaging system [22:43] google cant even find it.. [22:43] macavity: brb [22:43] i have hardly and dep problems since using slackware, that that was the thing i was most concerned about [22:43] popl: ahhh...ic [22:44] the odd slackbuild might need a extra lib [22:44] wow [22:44] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:44] now i can see why slackware doesnt bother with a dep system [22:44] MLanden: I mean he was really snarky and I told him on the phone I changed my mind about the job. [22:45] I have dependency annoyances still, dustybin. [22:45] how comes? not doing a full install? [22:45] I think that's why sbopkg has the "reverse" option when you sort the queue [22:45] dustybin: I install stuff that's not in teh default installation [22:45] exactly [22:45] the full install covers most things [22:45] only default stuff [22:45] dustybin: no.. it does not even come close [22:45] for me it does [22:46] i run mythtv, asterisk, postfix, dovecot [22:46] no problems [22:46] bind [22:46] sluttyduck (~slut@66.161.224.139) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:46] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:46] i gave up on some app i wanted to try not too long ago.. i simply lost track when trying to untangle the deps of deps of deps of deps [22:46] macavity: what application? [22:47] Guest86794 (davi@189.4.116.87) joined ##slackware. [22:47] popl: yeah,hear ya....inside-the-box sort? [22:47] "this requires gnome-canvas".. which requires gnome-pango.. which requires gnome-some-other etc etc [22:47] Guest86794 (davi@189.4.116.87) left irc: Changing host [22:47] Guest86794 (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [22:47] popl: dont remember.. some GTK app that looked inocent enough :P [22:47] MLanden: I guess. [22:48] popl: in short, it required half of gnome [22:48] eeek [22:48] macavity: my bad... draco linux dracolinux.org [22:48] so far I have gotten away with just having to install gconf [22:48] a application like that isnt even worth instaling :P [22:48] popl: ok [22:48] macavity: they took down their site and went with google code for some odd reason [22:48] oh and ORBit [22:48] stupid corba [22:49] uhm, i dont need kdesdk, if i dont tend to develop things for kde right? [22:49] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [22:50] pupit: no, you don't need it unless you intend to develop kde appz [22:50] 18.19 % of my packages are SBo packages [22:50] :D [22:50] nyRednek: thanks ;) [22:50] nyRednek: honnestly that looks like a dead fish [22:50] pupit: oh, and for IDE's i personally recommend geany [22:51] IDE's? [22:51] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:51] Integrated Development Environment [22:51] macavity: i know, the concept is great...i might fork(if i had the skill level/motivation to do so) [22:51] Slackware has averaged about 2 releases per year since version 1 in 1993 [22:52] oops [22:52] nyRednek: i think it will be easier to hixhax a version of pkgsrc that actually works when installed on a prestine slackware system [22:52] yeah I guess that's right [22:52] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.180.44) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:53] macavity: the thing, if you have pkgsrc going, it'd replace a lot of slack stock stuff with pkgsrc compiled...also, pkgsrc works unmodified on slack [22:53] wait, you guys are serious about using pkgsrc? [22:53] :P [22:53] nyRednek: obvisouly you need to inhibit it from modifying system packages to begin with [22:53] nyRednek: ... unless told explicitly to do so [22:53] macavity: true...it seems it'd be easier to allow it to be the package manager [22:54] usus12jari (~ashe@118.96.223.128) joined ##slackware. [22:54] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:54] i'm leaving out conjunctions left and right, that should have been true...but [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:55] Does anyone here read Krebs on Security? [22:56] nyRednek: reading up on pkgsrc as we speak [22:57] macavity: used it on netbsd...seemed like a cool system to play with [22:57] macavity: the problem, netbsd doesn't update very often [22:57] the only thing from BSD i could really really use on GNU/Linux is pf :-/ [23:01] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 600 seconds [23:03] hey, there is bin/split in coreutils but is there an unsplit or merge? [23:08] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:08] Slesh (~bnpgl@187.127.147.149) joined ##slackware. [23:10] popl: cat [23:10] oh right :P [23:10] i was thinking... [23:10] I'm just reading some guy's blog and he's using split and unsplit [23:10] popl: cat does not mangle binary output.. its the terminal that does that, so the usual > and >> works as expected [23:12] yeah macavity [23:12] thanks [23:13] I'm not sure unsplit in this guy's blog works the way I am thinking though [23:13] macavity: it'd be like 'cat file* > bigFile' iirc [23:14] http://www.veracode.com/blog/2009/04/decoding-the-dbir-2009-cover/ [23:14] that's the blog entry [23:15] imagine somebody created a new project, and eventually there was a slackbuild for it. would the slackbuild change the way the application was meant to be installed? [23:16] dustybin: that depends on a lot of things [23:16] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:17] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [23:19] ki2azy (~krazy@99.189.55.239) joined ##slackware. [23:20] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:21] dustybin: most autotools based (./configure) installs to /usr/local/ per default.. so that would be changed [23:22] dustybin: also, if the project creates statically linked libs per default, --disable-static would be passed [23:23] dustybin: and perhaps also --enable-libtool if need be [23:23] dustybin: manpages will get compressed whatever the project does this or not [23:23] aye ok [23:23] etc etc etc [23:24] so some things do need to be modified [23:24] anotherone (~root@201-75-115-76-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:24] obviously [23:24] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:24] why everybody is getting out of linux distro??? [23:25] slack [23:25] also many projects are debian-centric or fedora-centric, so they think that the "default" place to look for something is where either of those two distoes stick it [23:25] maybe [23:25] this was my main sour grape with Go-oo [23:25] no problem [23:25] but I remember whenslack was growing in the worls [23:26] i had to patch the *hell* out of it to get it to grap clue about things that slackware puts in its vanilla location [23:26] slack 8.0 < 10 [23:26] j0z (unix@189.58.22.176.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:26] j0z (unix@189.58.22.176.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [23:26] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [23:26] I love slack yeat [23:26] but I wait for changes [23:27] slack 13.1 was out the door not long ago [23:27] mabe there isn`t no hope [23:27] what do you expect?.. monthly releases? [23:27] macavity: that was back in 12.2,right? jus before the 13.0 change...when you were messing with go-oo,i mean [23:27] news [23:27] MLanden: nope, that was on 13.0 [23:28] slack is booting slowly [23:28] MLanden: about two or three months later some brave soul got it on SBo [23:28] wich realease more and more [23:28] ahhh...ok [23:28] anotherone: tweak it.. i turn off the stuff that i dont need.. like gtk.immodules and pixbufs, mime data update etc [23:29] I did this [23:29] example, we don`t need a lot of cd [23:29] then it boots faster than both opensuse and ubuntu for sure [23:29] only one [23:29] slack kick gnome ass [23:30] each to their own liking... i can see why some like the relatively simple layout of gnome [23:30] today I read in the internet and foruns a lot of ex slack users goind to arch linux [23:30] Arch is nice too for sure [23:30] yeah I use it [23:30] i just happen to like Slackware better [23:30] arch is new yeat [23:30] maybe because i am a control freak :P [23:31] arch I`m more control freak that you think [23:31] but [23:31] I`d like to back use slack [23:31] anotherone: I hate the rolling releases [23:31] =/ [23:31] me too [23:31] popl: me too [23:31] anotherone: I switched to Slackware from Arch for that reason [23:31] :) [23:31] lol [23:32] my buddy, which i "trained" on slackware as his first distro went to Arch.. so he intvited me over for coffee and a tour of how great Arch was [23:32] this IRc was more movimented one day [23:32] sometimes I think of switching back and forth. It just depends on how annoyed I get. :P [23:32] so, we got a cup of coffee and he started showing off the package managemen and went "woohoo! KDE4.0 is out!" and updated his system... and had a *totally* broken box :P [23:33] anotherone: You're root? [23:33] too [23:33] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:33] and coder [23:33] anotherone: you should use your user account to logon to IRC [23:33] not so good but [23:33] root here? no no [23:33] i sipped a bit at my coffee and looked him over the shoulder for a while.. then i said "ive got a slackware laptop in my backpack you can use now that you dont have a working firefox" :P [23:34] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz expired. [23:34] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.246.202) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:34] oh ok [23:34] i dont think he ever forgave me for that one [23:34] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@125-238-180-33.jetstream.xtra.co.nz' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:34] Slesh (~bnpgl@187.127.147.149) left irc: Quit: »¡« Scøøp Script 2004 »!« curta a vida no irc de outra maneira! Pegue já: (www.scoop.com.br)  [23:34] macavity: :D [23:34] macavity: was he using kde4.0 when it was still rc...or kde 3.5.10? [23:34] One day slackware was a pubj system [23:34] macavity: what was wrong with Firefox? [23:34] puunk [23:34] Firefox doesn't have anything to do with KDE [23:35] MLanden: it was when when KDE4.0 hit Arch.. like 48minutes after announcement or some such :P [23:35] anotherone: what? [23:35] kde? it is a windows isues [23:35] here comes the language barrier :D [23:35] MLanden: he sucked down some 300MB updates only to discover that everything had gone totally bonkers :P [23:35] sorry [23:35] right down to a broken glibc :P [23:35] anotherone: don't be sorry, not your fault [23:36] macavity: ahh..that'll do it..;*) [23:36] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:36] days ago I saw slackware like a punk system [23:36] what is "punk system"? [23:36] A free and hacker system [23:36] oh [23:36] ok [23:36] it still is :P [23:36] anotherone: any Linux is [23:36] anotherone: some more than others [23:36] soso [23:37] macavity: at that point, how would one repair such? if the glibc on server is screwed, is there any hope of having a useable system? [23:37] lol....was thinking Vicious like Sid,for some reason...;) [23:37] I can compare slack with no other distro but with itself [23:37] MLanden: haha, 'my way' [23:37] I used slack 5.0 6.0 7 8 and 9 [23:37] and you?? [23:37] anotherone: you must be old [23:37] anotherone: okay, thank you for confirming you're a bloody troll with no smegging clue. [23:38] nyRednek: it had some broken symbols, but for most stuff like coreutils it worked [23:38] popl: s/old/an idiot/ <-- that's what you mean right? [23:38] anotherone: yeah, i want to see the link for 5.0 and 6.0 [23:38] nyRednek: apparently a patch that changed the ABI accidently [23:38] macavity: ouch [23:38] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:38] I meet yesterday [23:38] yeat there are these links [23:38] BP{k}: I was making a joke, assburgers. :P [23:39] Bp you are a coder? [23:39] for those who don't know, there was no 5.0 or 6.0 of slack [23:39] are you a coder? [23:39] no he's an oil tycoon [23:39] popl: indeed ;) [23:39] or only staying joking open QUANTUM in KDE? [23:39] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] I don't use KDE .. :o [23:40] nyRednek: Thanks for clearing that up. :P [23:40] i do.. and i haz a purty purty globe that spins on my desktop [23:40] hmm [23:40] ki2azy: what? [23:40] just reading [23:40] nauw it has blinkenlights and nightsky :P [23:40] ki2azy: ok... [23:40] macavity: does it tell you the future? [23:40] nyRednetk my friend has the original CD [23:40] ... [23:41] 5.0 or 4 ?? [23:41] anotherone: and he's a f'ing liar [23:41] I don`t remember [23:41] popl: no, but it tells me that the sun will go up shortly here :-/ [23:41] nyRednek, trying to think.. and now my head hurts...lol [23:41] macavity: time to close the coffin lid [23:41] ki2azy: you know that you aren't being paid to think [23:41] I will look for [23:41] popl: lol...was going to ask...if you shake it real hard..does a prediction come up..;D [23:41] nyRednek, i know [23:42] nyRednek: do people pay you to be crabby? [23:42] ki2azy: you're just being paid to hax, nothing else [23:42] popl: that's a free service [23:42] popl: yeah.. and we get carpenters in only four and a half hours [23:42] how can you hack without thinking? [23:42] macavity: ew [23:42] popl: inside joke [23:42] nyRednek you know so well about this distro [23:43] I will respect [23:43] the old man [23:43] anotherone: ok, now i'm an old man? heh... [23:43] old man == slack [23:43] not you [23:44] then again, i am about 30% grey [23:44] at 31 [23:44] sorry [23:45] anotherone: for what? [23:45] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.110.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:46] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [23:47] anotherone: i've been using slack since... [23:47] ki2azy: what, 1996? 1997? [23:47] respect the elders, call them young, learn slackware, or be a dung. lol [23:47] lol [23:47] something like that [23:47] and you don`t note diferences in the distro??? [23:48] pupit: heh [23:48] anotherone: obviously slackware changes over time.. it has to [23:48] anotherone: yes, it's gotten better and better with each release ;) [23:48] ok :D [23:49] no problem [23:49] and 13,0 is the newer release isn`t it?? [23:49] no. [23:49] ki2azy: you get the videos of the riker's turnout? [23:49] 13.1 [23:49] BP{k}: taking any bets on whatever it will be 14.0 that sees PAM? [23:49] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.76) joined ##slackware. [23:49] nyRednek, nope [23:50] ki2azy: damn, will resend...to the standard address? [23:50] nyRednek, but i did get a video i'll put to use later. [23:50] there is a release date to 14.0??? [23:50] oh i doubt it will be anytime in the next few years that linux sees PAM [23:50] macavity: nope. not a betting man unless I know for sure I can win. ;-) [23:51] ki2azy: oh, the one with my wife in it? yeah, she's a real pain slut [23:51] nyRednek, what standard address? [23:51] by linux i mean slackware :p [23:51] nyRednek, your wife is a redhead now? [23:51] there is a release date to 14.0??? [23:51] no [23:51] no [23:52] slackware doesn't have release dates [23:52] ki2azy: didn't you know? [23:52] anotherone: no, all slackware releases are "when it is ready(tm)" as per the FAQ [23:52] nyRednek, nope didn't know. [23:52] ki2azy: you better leave that tequila alone, then...damn [23:53] yeah I remember that [23:53] nyRednek, don't drink tequila. it was Brandy. [23:53] courvasier or henessey? [23:54] henessey or course. [23:55] i remember just after the release of that vid, "pass the courvasier", the price of it went through the floor [23:55] the makers were, oh s**t, there goes the neighborhood [23:55] never seen that video [23:56] ki2azy: it's a busta rhymes thing [23:56] ah [23:57] lol [23:57] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [23:57] ki2azy: you know, nutty flatbush...i shouldn't say the rest of it [23:58] nyRednek, knowing you i don't think i want to know the rest [23:59] has someone used frei0r libraries with kdenlive? Is installing frei0r just about enough? how do you know frei0r is being used by kdenlive? [23:59] ki2azy: it's offensive to most americans [23:59] am0rphis (~ewq@91.145.214.104) joined ##slackware. [23:59] njathan: kdenlive has a buttload of dependencies [00:00] --- Mon Aug 16 2010