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[00:52] dive : appears, Windows 7 Ultimate, secretly sets up an additional partition during installation ahead of the partition the meat of Win 7 is installed on, this "hidden, active, system" partition contained Bitlocker encryption information, the boot loader (bcdedit), and WinRE (recovery files for Win 7). Unfortunately it seems, that LILO is unable to boot such a partition if added as an entry. Might be wrong somewhere in th [00:53] boot) [00:53] It's hardly secret and it's not hidden... [00:54] depends how good your eyes are [00:54] LSD` - am I far off in assuming I must go the BCDEDIT route inorder to make this happen ? [00:55] More to do with how it's easier to assume MS are doing things behind peoples backs than actually pay attention to what it's doing [00:57] fair enough, but that doesn't help me out here. [00:58] Axius (~fd@92.82.65.216) joined ##slackware. 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[02:30] grazymax (~grazymax@host160-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:34] if i use http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.4.0/ anyone know what happens once kde 4.4.0 ends up in slackware-current will i be prompted for an upgrade using slackpkg [02:35] oobe, kde 4.4 will not enter slackware-current. [02:35] oh ok [02:36] so i best use the alien builds then [02:36] yep. [02:36] best we can hope for -current is 4.3.5. [02:37] pusher420 (~war@pool-71-171-17-131.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] ok [02:38] is this cause they plan on make 4.3.x part of the next stable release [02:40] toytoy (~dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [02:40] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [02:40] toytoy kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [02:41] no, its because 4.4 has pam requirements and thats not supported in slack and never will be [02:41] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:43] Axius (~fd@92.82.65.216) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:44] zux_ (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [02:45] then how do the alien builds work around that? [02:45] grazymax (~grazymax@host246-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:46] Nick change: zux_ -> zux1wrk [02:46] you'd have to ask bob [02:46] oobe, in alien's builds some functionality is lost. [02:47] hmm ok [02:47] i just installed it [02:47] havent restarted kde yet though [02:47] oobe, namely, font installation, printer config and time config. [02:47] oh ok [02:47] all of that you can configure by hand [02:48] anyone know a work around for enableing real time priority threads without pam for users? [02:48] i just remembered i have an issue with mythtv and realtime priority threads cause there is no pam on slackware [02:49] Skywise, never say never. rumour has it that pam is considered for 14.0. [02:49] i don't see why [02:49] hey, has anyone installed madwifi on slackware-current? [02:49] zux1wrk, use ath5k [02:50] it works with wpa at my workplace [02:50] but i couldn't connect to wpa2 at home [02:50] Skywise, because it's pretty much a standard these days. [02:51] so is windows, but that won't get me using it [02:51] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:52] but i know its more mature and secure, but it still seems to me a single point of failure [02:53] zoran119 (~zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:53] grazymax (~grazymax@host246-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:54] Skywise, pam allows many nice things, like rolling your own auth module :) [02:54] its an easy way of blowing your security all at once [02:55] but i like using sasl, which is like pam in a way [02:57] what is sasl for? [02:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Authentication_and_Security_Layer [02:58] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.213.102) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:03] oobe, realtime kernel patch? 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[04:06] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:09] Zordrak: morning [04:09] Zordrak: got amarok working? [04:17] macius (~macius@i209-195-72-13.cia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:17] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:18] dive, my apoligies i was thinking of rt premption patch or somthing else your right i can patch the kernel and make a module that enables real time priority [04:20] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [04:20] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:20] oobe, yeah I found one for doing better audio mixing and such. I wondered if it would help for what you're doing. [04:20] yes it is the same principle [04:21] modprobe realtime gid=17 [04:21] so all users in group 17 can run things in realtime [04:22] sounds good [04:22] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:22] niko (niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left ##slackware. [04:23] its a bit of a pain in the arse though [04:25] it describes it on this page http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html [04:26] pprkut: yeah? never wasnt... [04:26] Zordrak: I found a fix yesterday :) [04:28] Zordrak: in KDE.options, remove -DKDE4_ENABLE_FINAL [04:31] hey i had a prob with amorak where everytime i played a playlist it would skip to the end of song half through then play the next track [04:31] was that your problem? [04:32] pprkut: in my KDE 4.4 builds I already removed the "-DKDE4_ENABLE_FINAL" definition, it breaks more than just amarok [04:32] alienBOB: ah, good to know [04:36] alienBOB, does that mean, amarok doesn't work on your KDE 4.4 packages, right? [04:37] or was amarok broken before the option was added? [04:38] teh slackware -current package for amarok does run on kde 4.4, but it is extremely ugly, buggy, and crashy [04:40] got worse from 13.0? [04:41] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy expired. [04:41] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:41] not really, it's just that it doesn't behave well on top of the new Qt without a recompile [04:41] 13.0 doesn't even work here so how much worse can it get? ;-) [04:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [04:42] well works on my home desktop [04:42] I only get audio for the first track in the playlist. After that, no audio. [04:43] Axius (~fd@92.84.5.104) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:44] But I've never really got on with Amarok even before that. [04:44] high cpu usage et al [04:44] well i liked xms earlier [04:44] Tried audacious? [04:45] bet then somehow got spoiled by all the collections and stuff [04:45] yes i tried, but was allready using amarok at that time [04:45] ready [04:45] the version in 12.2 used to list all my albums twice... [04:45] annoying [04:46] already --- ahh, i'm supposed to type it with on 'l' [04:46] good thing xchat has a spellcheker.... [04:46] but i still manage to make mistakes... [04:46] I hat spillchuckers ;-) [04:47] well it's usefull if you're not very good in english [04:47] True. [04:47] i read very good, and understand what's said [04:47] but when it gets to speaking and typing... [04:47] just need practice [04:48] you write ok too - understandable as far as I can see. [04:48] couse I think all the time about what i write :) [04:48] no worries [04:48] it doesn't go automatic enough... [04:49] I learned english by watching cartoon network... [04:49] I guess a lot of people pick up English from TV. [04:50] pprkut: bah, you tell me you found it but you don't tell me what it is ;p [04:50] (music too) [04:50] morning Camarade_Tux [04:50] morning dive =) [04:50] HaMpA (~kompaesf@88.86.50.38) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Camarade_Tux: -DKDE4_ENABLE_FINAL was causing the issue [04:53] right, if I'm going to survive today at all I'd better get up shop and buy some more coffee ;-) [04:53] bbl [04:54] RichiH (richih@freenode/staff/richih) left ##slackware. [04:55] pprkut: erk, what did it do? [04:55] haven't looked yet [04:56] :P [04:57] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Action: pprkut is at work :/ [04:57] Might be a n00b question.. I recompiled my kernel, same kernel, same config .. just added ext4 to be in the kernel instead of module, now I'm getting errors from a couple of modules .. version (blah) should be SMP preempt mod_unload (blah) 686... Did I miss a step or do something wrong? [04:57] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:58] oh, I have to recompile the module sources... ? [04:58] yes, build and install modules too. [04:58] you need to install them [05:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:00] k, such as sbo pkg of virtualbox? .. I'll try to removepkg and recompile it. [05:01] Not sure about my modem driver though, last time I got this, I ran the .run file and it said it was up to date. [05:02] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:02] SlashQuit, if it works, then probably leave it as it is [05:03] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:03] virtualbox doesn't, so I'll try a quick remove / rebuild for that. If all else fails, I'll restore my '/' backup to what it was yesterday. Yay clonezilla. [05:04] And ty. [05:05] good morning [05:05] SlashQuit, i have not used virtualbox, but there should probably be a way to recompile the modules [05:05] without installing and uninstalling the package [05:06] Yep, but it's a little beyond me at this point. :] [05:06] (plus it's already removed and recompiling) [05:07] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [05:07] well ok then :) [05:09] look what i found googling.... [05:09] http://blog.bobpeers.com/2008/07/07/recompiling-virtualbox-kernel-module/ [05:09] looks like you should run the start up script with attribute 'setup' [05:11] ah, d'oh, I ran the .rc with setup, and the VirtualBox bin with setup. [05:11] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [05:13] I obviously didn't google'd the right words... found 4 forum threads of the question, but no answer. [05:15] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=Bh15S-qpOciJ_gaB8ICyDQ&sa=X&oi=spellfullpage&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQvgUoAA&&q=virtualbox+recompile+modules&nfpr=1 [05:15] second link [05:15] you need to recompile each and every kernel module so that they fit the new magic words "SMP preempt mod_unload ... 686" [05:16] ok, first time trying to use suspend to disk, wish me luck and bye.... [05:16] So changing that preempt part means any module that's not standard needs to be recompiled, yes? [05:16] glhf [05:16] every module [05:16] SlashQuit, basically yes [05:16] evilmquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:16] those in the kernel source tree are recompiled automatically when you compile the kernel [05:17] Only other one I'm getting errors for is the modem hcfpci driver ... (conexant HCF) [05:17] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [05:19] grep -l "lib/modules/$(uname -r)" * ... shows virtualbox, and kernel-modules-smp-2.6.29.6_smp-i686-2 [05:19] SlashQuit, well some modules might work, but it is always better to recompile all of them [05:19] Live n learn, thanks again. I should have paid more attention to that paragraph. :\ [05:20] besides, usually you don't have so many non-kernel modules [05:20] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [05:20] so, about my hibernation [05:21] SlashQuit, /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup [05:21] vehn_z (~vehn_z@62.133.183.152) joined ##slackware. [05:21] strange thing, didn't actually hibernate, just locked my pc [05:21] slava_dp, I jumped the gun too early and removpkg and sbopgk'd it, but next time I should know better. [05:22] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [05:23] i have 4 nic that worked ntil yesterdday-> now one of theme it is not detect ;; Can u helm me...? [05:23] What did you change since yesterday? [05:23] I can not connect to the www.slackware.com the third day. What happens? Or it my/my ISP problem? [05:24] site is down [05:24] ok ) [05:24] Apparently a rubber band snapped, or they're low on chickens, or virgins, or virgin chickens... [05:24] i do not remember to change anything from yesterday ( that pc it is acting as a router) [05:25] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:25] oxiredo_ro, is it not even seen by lspci? [05:27] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:27] slava_dp, no [05:27] any advice about the suspend to disk problem? [05:27] it coud be this one? 02:08.0 Class 8139: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic Unknown device 8139 (rev 08) [05:27] oxiredo_ro, trash it and get yourself a new one. [05:28] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:28] that nic? [05:28] zux1wrk, /var/log/pm-*.log [05:28] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [05:28] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:28] ahaa [05:28] /usr/lib/pm-utils/pm-functions: line 275: echo: write error: Cannot allocate memory [05:29] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [05:29] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [05:30] slava_dp, it coud be some hardware issue (whit that nic) ? [05:30] oxiredo_ro, i would think so first [05:30] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [05:30] are there any other same kind controllers? [05:31] oxiredo_ro, try it in another pc and see if it works. [05:31] Hi to all [05:31] hmm,good ideea [05:31] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:33] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [05:37] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:37] Hmm, I don't have a /etc/init.d/vboxdrv [05:38] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [05:39] /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv [05:39] "Not implemented! Please use the virtualbox-kernel.SlackBuild available at SlackBuilds.org instead." [05:39] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:39] wut? [05:39] ahaa [05:40] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:40] well ok, then you should just do what it says.... [05:40] oh, i use the closed version. the SBo guys aoparently split the kernel part.... [05:41] I used sbopgk, I thought that was the same as downloading the files and running the script. [05:41] there are two versions of vbox: free and closed. [05:42] the ... PUEL or something like that. I was using the OSE. [05:42] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [05:43] yeah, the POOEL one.... [05:44] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [05:44] slava_dp, what do you think about my suspend to disk error? [05:45] zux1wrk, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/livecd/2007-March/004180.html [05:46] I'll try that. [05:46] hmm, [05:46] slackware intstaller has failed me :( [05:47] or i have failed myself... [05:47] dive^ (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:47] i was so sure that I configured swap... [05:47] dive^ (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:48] i think slack run without a swap partition (but slow) [05:48] ... [05:48] mine runs perfectly... [05:48] slava_dp, Ah ha, it worked. thx. [05:48] slava_dp, can you please copy the line from fstab, where swap gets mounted? [05:48] oxiredo_ro, swap is only needed when you run out of RAM. [05:48] zux1wrk, how much RAM do you have and how big did you make swap? [05:48] oxiredo_ro, and when you want to hibernate. [05:49] zux1wrk, for suspend to disk you need as much swap as RAM [05:49] I have 2Gb of ram and 4Gb swap partition [05:49] zux1wrk, are you using LUKS by any chance? [05:49] SlashQuit, ye [05:49] and u can make a swap partition at any time,noo? [05:49] yes [05:49] oxiredo_ro, yes, i just did [05:50] i only need to add it to fstab, so that it gets used after next reboot [05:50] and i don't know the syntax [05:50] zux1wrk, /dev/sda1 swap swap defaults 0 0 [05:50] /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 1 2 [05:51] I think there's a section about luks + hibernate in those luks / encrption docs on the slack cd/dvd by sir Eric. [05:51] thank you both [05:51] 1 2?? [05:51] no I don't think you need any more than 0 0 [05:51] SlashQuit, yes, i'm reading them right now... [05:51] hmmm;donno [05:51] on other computer it seems that ,that nic card worked [05:52] ok, second attempt to hibernate... [05:52] wish me luck [05:53] it's not a question of luck ;-) [05:54] braqoon (~braqoon@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:55] how can i make a nic card (with eth5 name ) be eth4? [05:56] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [05:56] oxiredo_ro, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [05:57] tnx [05:57] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:58] it will work without a reboot? how? [06:00] I can not use sudo reboot how to repair it ? [06:00] three finger salute? [06:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:01] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [06:01] Do you have the file /sbin/reboot ? [06:01] and /sbin/halt [06:02] Blue_Slacker86, can u reboot as root? [06:02] oxiredo_ro: yes [06:03] ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown [06:03] add that to /etc/sudoers [06:03] SlashQuit: yes [06:03] and then try sudo /sbin/shutdown [06:05] the correct way is too add yourself to power group. [06:07] %power ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown [06:07] oxiredo_ro, no [06:07] how? [06:08] ahh; [06:08] yes ;yes [06:08] gpasswd -a user power [06:08] o/ ello [06:08] gpasswd -a power [06:08] mohaa, hi [06:09] slackie (~x@87.196.58.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:09] pprkut: funny... amarox has been fine for me in 4.4 [06:09] pprkut: the only problem was a bug that stopped random working if repeat is on [06:09] everything else has been good [06:10] i/o dive san o/ [06:13] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:15] migue (~mconca@200.5.198.129) joined ##slackware. [06:15] hello [06:16] hi [06:16] hi [06:17] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:18] Zordrak: I didn't have any buttons :( and the layout was totally screwed [06:21] i need some help about memory... [06:22] last saturday i installed xipslack on a notebook TI extensa cd [06:22] it is a old machine (pentium 75,HD 850mb, RAM 8mb ) :( [06:23] i have installed lilo [06:23] when machne boot, i type "free" [06:23] what is a xipslack? [06:23] do you mean zipslack? [06:23] is that still available? [06:24] and the systen tellme it has 4,6mb RAM [06:24] slava_dp: ohhh.. sorry, zipslack! :( [06:24] that must be an ancient version of slackware. recent kernels won't even fit in 8MB RAM [06:24] dive: i has a cd of slack 10.2 :) [06:25] ah ok [06:25] slava_dp: yes. [06:25] well free does not report the ram as you would like [06:25] braqoon (braqoon@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) left ##slackware. [06:25] hrad (~a@78-136-170-128.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [06:25] you can try "free -m" [06:25] for example I get 507176 for my %12MB [06:25] dive: i no tried with freedos :( [06:26] slava_dp: yes, it say 4mb :( [06:26] slava_dp, well done, you just cost me another 12MB ;-) [06:27] dive, hahaha [06:27] dive, slava_dp:ok... i will try with freedos later... thanks! [06:27] :) [06:28] migue, wait [06:28] migue, it's just way the system reports RAM I think [06:28] but... in the POST it say has 8mb... [06:28] migue, you probably need to pass the correct ram amount as a boot option [06:28] dive: ? [06:28] migue, let me see.... [06:28] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3812827#post3812827 -- PAM in Slackware 14 -) [06:29] slava_dp: ooooohhhh..... [06:29] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [06:30] speaking of miserable failures.... [06:30] zux1wrk, and what happened? [06:30] forgetting the -C key ti mkinitrd was the problem.... [06:30] oops [06:30] hibernation worked well.... [06:30] migue, try "Linux mem=8M" [06:30] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:31] migue, at the lilo prompt i mean [06:31] slava_dp: when? at lilo menu? [06:31] slava_dp: oh! ok... thanks! [06:31] slava_dp: :) [06:31] i even got the whole system back, after booting from usb and fixing the initrd [06:31] slava_dp: i will try at afternoon.. the machine is in home :( [06:32] migue, hope it works [06:32] slava_dp: it surelly will do :) thanks again to all :) [06:32] Action: migue go to work :( [06:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:34] hey, maybe someone knows a way to look with what command was initrd made? [06:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [06:35] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [06:35] as i made it booted from usb, history didn't get saved... [06:36] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427671.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:36] win /win 11 [06:36] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:36] bloups [06:36] bloups? [06:37] Camarade_Tux, what happens if you press alt-q? [06:37] dive ='( [06:38] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:41] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:43] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:44] anyone tried slackware on the new asus eee 1005pe yet?:) [06:45] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:45] Send me a 1005pe and I will tell you Kowalczyk ;-) [06:45] alienBOB: hehe. I dont have any:) Im thinking about buying one:) easy to take with me and so on. but not sure about the linux support on it :d hehe [06:46] alienBOB: but you can buy one, try it and tell me how it was?:) [06:47] Kowalczyk: I have a 1000h, one netbook is enough [06:47] ok. you have slackware on that? [06:47] Certainly [06:47] ehhm. maybe a dumb question :) [06:47] much configuration on it to make it work? or? [06:47] I mae sure that hardware was fully supported in Slackware 13.0 ;-) [06:47] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [06:48] so you make sure first, and then bought it?:) [06:49] No, I bought it, discovered that the Slackware kernel lacked the proper wireless driver and then told Pat what to enable. There was one kernel in the development before 13.0 that got a BUILD number of 2... that was to add this wireless driver ;-) [06:49] I only found something on debian wiki about that model... and ubuntu [06:50] Well actually I also checked the hardware specs in advance and made sure the Linux kernel was able to support all the hardware [06:51] ok... maybe I should also :) it looks nice though. and with 500 gb asus web storage. so my wife can store her pictures there :) [06:52] slackie (~x@87-196-58-47.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:52] what do you think about the netbook? you like it? [06:55] Yes, I like the portability and the long battery lifetime [06:56] And I need to install KDE 4.4 on it, because that version has a new desktop interface specifically targeting netbook display resolutions [06:56] macavity (~charlotte@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:56] oh:) nice... ok.. the new one has better lifetime... with the new n450 processor. they say about 14 hours. but I reckon about 10 maybe [06:56] I think the Asus web storage is not forever free, right? You start paying monthly after some months [06:57] I dont know:d havent read about it:) [06:57] Im not into kde / gnome. I like *box :) blackbox most actually. but gonna try enlightenment on a laptop here now. see if that is any good :) [06:57] does anyone know how i can force alsa to set my soundcard to device 0 (instead of the webcam...) [06:58] netbooks are portable, that is nice... where do people go with these portable things? [06:58] flight, train, holidays :) [06:58] foobarz: they keep talking about this place called "the real life".. i have no clue what they are talking about [06:59] doh. meeting :) [06:59] Kowalczyk, if your on slack 13, 64 bit its not very stable [06:59] enlightenment that is [06:59] im not having 64 bits:) [06:59] HaMpA: 64bit Slackware *is* very stable. [06:59] but meeting. be back :) [06:59] ARGH screw you windows you frigging assbiscuit [06:59] Just not on your PC apparently [07:00] I mean Enlightenment is not running stable on 64bit slack [07:00] i need to learn about real life and portable more, sounds fun... I want to figure it out [07:00] hey, maybe someone knows a way to look with what command was initrd made? [07:00] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:00] zux1wrk: it is not possible to find that out later [07:01] HaMpA: aha... I never used enlightenment [07:01] Your running kde? [07:02] meeting cancelled :) [07:02] good [07:02] alienBOB, the i wonder how did my laptop resume from hibernate, because i'm almost sure i forgot the -h part [07:02] sevv (sev@216.164.6.24) joined ##slackware. [07:03] slackware.com = dead? [07:03] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [07:03] we know [07:04] alienBOB, that netbook desktop feature is pretty nice, even on my 1024x768 [07:04] macavity: what's the reason? [07:04] who needs cash for hosting [07:04] No cash problem [07:05] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:05] uhh hdd crash and no backup? [07:05] Not that either [07:05] so what's up then [07:05] It will be back, be patient [07:06] k.. i'm noot impatient, just curious [07:06] oh. a lot of packages I need to install before enlightenment [07:06] slackie (~x@87-196-58-47.net.novis.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:07] are we going to get an all-new slackware.com when it comes back? [07:07] macavity (~charlotte@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:07] yeah designed in flash ;-) [07:07] a flash program with slackware on it? [07:08] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-49-5.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:08] no, I meant the website designed in flash [07:08] that too :) [07:08] just a little jest [07:09] [D]an (~dan@2001:4d18:0:4:20e:cff:fe4b:34bd) joined ##slackware. [07:09] well, with KDE 4.4 i'm really starting to think about dropping xfce.... [07:09] whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat zux1wrk [07:09] alienBOB: you have many servers at home?:) [07:10] yeah zux1wrk I tend to stick to kde or fluxbox now if I need something lighter [07:10] and whats the root psw [07:10] pwd [07:10] zux1wrk, xfce is surplus at the moment [07:10] sevv, what about it? [07:10] xover (~xover@host86-160-171-236.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:10] hi guys [07:10] i'm used to xfce, started using it along time ago [07:10] HaMpA, ? [07:10] hey dive [07:10] I haven't used kde in like 5 years, I switched out because it's bloatware [07:11] im back on track :D [07:11] it's considered lightweight now?? [07:11] HaMpA, are you asking us what your root password is? [07:11] I am receiving this error on my vm NIC: link is not ready! i cant figure it out, my route is up and the interface too. [07:11] no [07:11] slackaholic (1000@187-24-209-144.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:11] i was just kidding wih Kowalczyk, asking alienBOB about his servers :P [07:12] sevv, no I didn't mean kde is lightweight. Just fluxbox. [07:13] hmm?:P [07:13] I'm slowly edging towards taking xfce out of my system. [07:13] it's kind of middle ground that I never go to. [07:15] The new style format in fluxbox with pixmaps look fine and much better than the old _[]X [07:15] i have run KDE 3.x for a lot of years, but i never really use any of the KDE programs it comes with [07:15] tenr has some great styles [07:15] any ideas guys why my link wont come up? [07:15] xover, which vm? [07:16] dive, what do you mean by 'surplus' ? (probably my english problem) [07:16] SW 12.2 [07:16] and my desktop is blank... i get the impression people have stuff on their "desktop" but never use that... i am some kind of lame user I guess [07:16] zux1wrk, I mean it's extra to my needs [07:16] dive: slack 12.2 [07:17] xover, yeah but the nic is in a vm? [07:17] dive: no slackware is the virtual machine [07:17] which vm? vbox, qemu, vmware? [07:17] dive, well i'd say it's 100% perfect for my home desktop, but on the laptop i'm getting used to the blows... [07:17] you mean the hypervisor, vm server 2 [07:18] not really familiar then. I've setup slack in qemu. [07:18] slackie (~x@87-196-58-47.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:19] if I get a new computer mainboard and cpu with full Intel VT-x and VT-d, are both of those used by QEMU ? Is it going to be fast? [07:20] [D]an (~dan@2001:4d18:0:4:20e:cff:fe4b:34bd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:20] foobarz, not really sure about that VT- stuff. [07:20] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.203) joined ##slackware. [07:21] but I'm sure some people in here are using it. [07:21] its just networking, vm shouldnt make any difference [07:21] it says link is not ready [07:22] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.98) joined ##slackware. [07:23] im not sure i need to run anything in a virtual box anymore... i used to run windows 2000 in qemu for MS Office, but now I guess can use OpenOffice if i ever needed to [07:23] hey, anyone had any problems migrating to tunderbird 3? [07:23] hi all. is it possible to set my eth0 MTU at boot to a custom value? how? [07:23] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:23] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:23] slackie (~x@87-196-58-47.net.novis.pt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:23] i seem not to be able to send e-mail any more... [07:24] foobarz, OO still has problems saving as word doc when using tables and bullets (I found out to my cost) [07:24] also I can receive [07:24] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:24] OclkdMan, /etc/rc/rc.inet1.conf [07:25] anyone? [07:25] cityLights (~cityLight@bzq-84-111-46-151.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [07:25] hi all [07:25] say I can't ping a host using ping host.local , what steps should I take to find out what is wrong? ping host works [07:26] zuxlwrk: rc.inet1.conf does not contains mtu option. where can i specity it? [07:26] *specify [07:26] OclkdMan, i just noticed wrong syntax, but i guess you found the real file [07:26] OclkdMan, maybe a module option. modinfo might help. [07:27] dive: oh i will keep that in mind... I might like to run 64-bit slackware later, then run a QEMU windows XP or something so I can run a few things, not sure how bad I will want it, but maybe foobar2000 and office then... I used DOSBOX for some old dos programs and that was good enough [07:27] OclkdMan, i think there are instructions in that file, [07:27] slackie (~x@87-196-58-47.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:27] foobarz, yeah I have ms office setup in a winxp vm for that. [07:28] OclkdMan, yes, in mine it's line 73 [07:28] #MTU[4]="" # The default MTU is 1500, but you might need [07:28] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:28] foobarz, I had my cv in doc format saved from OO on my website. When I checked it in wordviewer I found that OO had saved a blank page in the middle of it. [07:28] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:28] just use the right number in place of 4 [07:29] i'm sorry i've not seen it. [07:29] it's there also in my file. [07:29] foobarz, the only way I could fix it was in word... [07:30] thank you!. [07:30] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [07:30] xover (~xover@host86-160-171-236.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:31] zux1wrk: wait. i've noticed those options are referring to Wlan0 [07:31] so, anybody migrated to thunderbird 3 here? [07:31] not excatly, it's just that in that config the [4] means wan0 [07:31] wlan0 [07:32] ah ok! [07:32] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [07:33] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:33] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. 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[07:40] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:47] hey, I have ,,,,,,, in my /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/model and it's like autoprobing and cannot find anything so it's using "guess method" which causes that I haven't sound after booting sometimes [07:48] can anyone recommend a program to view .mht files?(mime type is "encapsulated web archive" [07:48] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:48] they opened by default into KMail, but I can't get the images to display(which are the important part...the images are math equations) [07:49] should I modprobe it with model defined ? is that it ? [07:50] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:50] zaltekk: Internet Explorer is the preferred program apparently ;-) [07:51] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:51] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [07:51] slackie (~x@87-196-58-47.net.novis.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:51] slackie (~x@87-196-58-47.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:52] alienBOB: yeah, i guess i can use VirtualBox to view them, it's just a pain that my calculus3 instructor gives out assignments in that format [07:52] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:52] hmmm, sed.SlackBuild is missing the definition of $NUMJOBS [07:52] zaltekk: otherwise use this firefox plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8051 [07:53] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:53] alienBOB: thanks. i'll just that a try first. [07:53] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [07:54] alienBOB: works great. thankyou! [07:55] slackaholic (1000@187-24-209-144.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:55] slackaholic (1000@187-24-209-144.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Camarade_Tux: indeed, the most recent revision of sed.SlackBuild changed "-j5" to "$NUMJOBS" but the NUMJOBS is not being initialized... [07:58] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:59] allend (~allend@CPE-124-181-130-126.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:00] ajmrch (~asarch@189.188.158.15) joined ##slackware. [08:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.46) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:05] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:05] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:07] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.203) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [08:07] test34- (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [08:07] heya, those of you using kde 4.4 and the netbook desktop>? [08:07] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:07] are there any like that? [08:08] i just want to know if anyone has found a way to enable the close, minimize buttons? [08:08] christian (~590f92e3@gateway/web/freenode/x-qbwemvktdgmaepqy) joined ##slackware. [08:08] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.22) joined ##slackware. [08:11] slackie (~x@87-196-58-47.net.novis.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:11] Woo. Now have a slipstreamed sp3 disk. fingers crossed for success with vbox THIS time [08:11] chowder (~Anon@c-98-211-211-147.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:11] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: [08:13] slackie (~x@87-196-179-40.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:13] pihentagyu (~doeppjaka@109.96.95.35) joined ##slackware. [08:14] pihentagyu (~doeppjaka@109.96.95.35) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:14] where can I set a model of my audio device ? I searched through etc/modprobe.d/ and /usr/share/alsa [08:14] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:14] nothing there, in other distros it's usually in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base [08:14] but there is just sound with aliases [08:14] pihentagyu (~doeppjaka@109.96.95.35) joined ##slackware. [08:15] hrad: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d. Call it what you like. [08:15] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:15] Nick change: kloeri__ -> kloeri [08:15] pihentagyu (~doeppjaka@109.96.95.35) left irc: Client Quit [08:15] all these files are loaded ? [08:15] ok, thanks [08:16] hrad: ALL file in /etc/modprobe.d are examined. Can be a problem if your editor drops a backup there. [08:18] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:19] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [08:23] Woh. [08:23] VBox has been rebranded Oracle..... [08:24] now we await the list of supported OSes [08:25] i bet half the point of the newest release was to got the rebranding out there [08:26] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:27] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [08:27] allend: in the top spot will be Oraclos! [08:27] Soloraclos [08:28] I'm worried what will happen with mysql :( [08:28] wertik__ (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [08:28] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [08:28] don't [08:28] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] nothings going to happen [08:28] if oracle asks like douce, it will fork again [08:28] douche [08:28] besides, you should be using postgresql anyway [08:28] bah [08:28] amen to that [08:29] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:29] niels_horn: tbh i dont see why people standardise on MySQL anyway... Postgres seems so much better with the single exception of the smaller user base [08:29] habtool (~clive@86-45-151-85-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] GooseYArd: I have used postgresql in the past. It *is* far superior, but mysql comes with about everything. [08:29] GooseYArd: stop treading on my sandwiches [08:29] eheh [08:29] you can't even starup postgres automatically in init scripts [08:30] i now use sqlite for everything i might have used mysql for in the past [08:30] huh? [08:30] its appears that http://www.slackware.com/ is offline, is that correct? [08:30] sky: you just replace init with postmaster [08:30] and then when it comes to garbage collection, postgres is a pain in the ass too [08:30] habtool: yes. we know. [08:30] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:30] Ok, cool, stay well [08:30] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:30] habtool (clive@86-45-151-85-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:31] well, first I noted slackware.com was down [08:31] Well, back to MVS running on Hercules running in ArmedSlack running in Qemu running on Slackware64-current. [08:32] mysql is easy to deploy, widely supported and has plenty of muscle [08:32] sound slike S&M [08:32] sounds like the M in S&M [08:33] Just having fun :) [08:33] Kamel (klo_455@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [08:34] actually i shouldnt bust on mysql since all my complaints are old and obsolete [08:34] views/triggers/transactions [08:34] niels_horn: how is the response time? :) [08:34] thats a hazard of being old [08:34] When it comes to more advanced stuff you find yourself wishing MySQL hadnt seemed so easy to start with [08:35] like what? [08:35] allend: Knowing that MVS is an OS from decades ago, it runs quite well. And it will probably get a lot better when my SheevaPlug arrives [08:35] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [08:35] i always laugh when people talk about advanced sql [08:36] wtf? Oracle has rebranded the site and rebranded its release messages... but it hasnt rebranded the actual software yet.. [08:36] Skywise: One of the reasons we switched to PostgreSQL some time ago was stored procedures, triggers, etc. [08:36] but you can do those things [08:37] even when they didn't have direct support, there were work arounds [08:37] "we" = at work during a project. [08:38] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Client Quit [08:40] christian (~590f92e3@gateway/web/freenode/x-qbwemvktdgmaepqy) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:42] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:42] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ) [08:44] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:44] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [08:44] hrad (~a@78-136-170-128.client.ufon.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [08:46] slackie (~x@87-196-179-40.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:50] Zordrak, vbox is still Sun, just the website got rebranded [08:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427671.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:51] slava_dp: yeah.. but even to the point of replacing Sun with Oracle on the VBox cube logfo [08:51] but without putting the same logo in the software [08:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427671.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:52] well, that's fun. [Panasonic|VirtualBox]. Enjoy ;) [08:52] huh? [08:52] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Nick change: ajmrch -> asarch [08:53] [P|V] ? [08:54] slava_dp: version 3.1.4? [08:54] zaltekk, yep [08:55] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:55] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:59] actually, the core is still innotek. no point in pointless variable renaming [08:59] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:59] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:00] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:01] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [09:03] slackaholic (1000@187-24-209-144.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:04] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:08] how i can use my laptop bluetooth in slackware 13.0 [09:09] raw__ (raw@isafailure.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth.conf [09:09] /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth start [09:10] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Action: NaCl didn't know that there was a rc.bluetooth.conf [09:11] gotcha NaCl :) [09:12] heh. It's there, I just never noticed it. :P [09:13] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.145.199) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Nick change: Zordrak -> H2SO4 [09:13] NaCl: sup? [09:13] Action: H2SO4 *BOOM* [09:13] Nick change: H2SO4 -> Zordrak [09:13] Action: NaCl shatters [09:13] Action: Zordrak is done now. [09:14] guess we should change the theme of ##slackware to crystal caves or something? [09:14] Action: Delahunt stabs alisonken1home [09:15] Delahunt: if you didn't notice, a lot of the nick changes on a couple of accounts center around salt derivatives :) [09:15] Nick change: NaCl -> SpanishInquisitr [09:16] re [09:16] ha [09:16] Nick change: allend -> HF [09:17] SpanishInquisitr: How i can install it [09:17] huh? [09:17] Action: HF wants to be safe from SpanishInquisitr [09:17] Nick change: HF -> allend [09:17] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [09:18] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:18] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-228-105.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Blue_Slacker86: bluez-utils. Install it [09:18] Action: GooseYArd sits in the comfy chair [09:18] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:19] I was more in the mood for the Rack today. [09:23] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:24] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:28] alisonken1home, lol [09:30] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-81-248.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: see ya ;-) [09:31] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-164.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:32] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:34] Action: slava_dp is working with win2003 in VirtualBox on another win2003 via rdesktop on slackware [09:36] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:40] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] wertik__ (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:43] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [09:43] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:43] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:44] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:45] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Nick change: Arno[Slack]`Work -> Arno[Slack] [09:46] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [09:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:48] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:50] phrak (debian-tor@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [09:51] phrak (debian-tor@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Client Quit [09:51] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:52] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [09:52] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:54] nick4b (~yte2@77.49.241.148.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:54] is slackware.com down? [09:54] since... yesterday? [09:54] it is. and we know. [09:55] I didn't. What happened? [09:55] Pat was finally testing PAM setup and it crashed and brought all of the files with it. [09:56] no, i'm just kidding. [09:56] hah [09:56] he wouldn't any of these things [09:56] one: test something on a production machine [09:56] two: not have a backup [09:56] you can tell from the way the distro is assembled [09:57] No money for new hardware because not enough people paid for subscriptions? [09:57] nice tool, guilt [09:57] speculations are fun, aren't they? [09:58] ftp still works [09:59] alienBOB: about that $NUMJOBS issue in sed.SlackBuild, should I mail Pat or is it already ok? [10:00] id put my money on hardware faiure anyway... seems to like running stuff on really old equipment and pushing it til it breaksn [10:01] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:02] triplc (~dizi@118.71.20.215) joined ##slackware. [10:02] triplc (~dizi@118.71.20.215) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:03] Zordrak, that's a good practice. if performance is sufficient, why invest in new hardware. [10:04] slava_dp: cause its less likely to die of old age :) [10:04] site is up for me o_O [10:04] though admittedly slow [10:04] darkwurm, you in Pat's house by any chance? :) [10:09] What's a good (very simple) screenshot program? It's difficult to google, because obviously the results are a lot of screenshots of things [10:09] KSnapshot (gui) import (non-gui) [10:10] xfce-screenshooter plugin [10:10] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:11] Fluxbox used to have some really, really simple ones- anyone remember what those were? [10:11] why not just use import? [10:11] i expect most fluxbox users use import [10:11] You'd just click on the menu for screenshot, then you'd be able to draw a dotted box on something on the screen, and it'd just save it as screenshot.png or jpg [10:12] Import? [10:12] man import [10:12] slava_dp, Zordrak: Thanks a lot, that's probably it [10:12] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Camarade_Tux: he should be aware once he wakes up and joins the social club [10:16] Sorry about that oversight. :/ [10:16] nice -5 unzip file.zip -- will give it a lower priorit? because I dont want to max out my cpu at 100% for 30mins [10:16] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [10:17] it's a practical question, ie, what works for you [10:19] nice +5 <- will max your cpu, but will let other processes run too. [10:19] or nice 10 [10:19] 19 -- the lowest, -20 -- the highest priority. [10:19] awned (alex@ftwshell.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] does anyone have any experience using traffic control on linux to limit bandwidth on a peruser basis? [10:21] slava_dp lets say I want to give a process only 30% of my CPU. Is this possible? [10:21] ulimit should be able to do it [10:22] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:22] macavity (~macavity@212088073002.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:22] awned: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/lighttpd-set-throughput-connections-per-ip.html [10:23] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:24] gnubien, not per ip. per user. if its per ip the user can just renew their ip with their isp and use another xMB of bandwidth [10:24] awned: asked in #iptables? [10:25] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [10:25] gnubien, no i havnt. thanks [10:26] allend (~allend@CPE-124-181-130-126.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:27] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:29] alienBOB: ok, good :-) [10:29] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:30] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:35] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:36] hey guys how do i install apache? [10:36] slackpkg install apache [10:36] It is already installed when you have a full Slackware [10:37] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] You have to configure it though to do anything meaningful [10:37] ah thanks :D [10:38] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:38] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:39] mel0n, chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd; /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start [10:40] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:40] http://pastebin.com/d255fdd04 :S [10:41] mel0n: does the /var/log/httpd directory exist? [10:41] mel0n: also, read: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotDetermineServerName [10:41] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [10:42] if you set a static ip you wont see that message again iv noticed [10:42] Scuzz: sure. [10:42] nope doesnt exist i did "slackpkg install apache" but it says "No packages match the pattern for install" [10:42] Scuzz: do read the link, too. [10:42] whats with slackware.com? [10:42] mel0n: it's called httpd [10:42] guax, what do you mean? [10:42] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.10.88) joined ##slackware. [10:43] off [10:43] guax, no idea. use the google cache [10:43] hey nerds, I'm wondering if there something slackware can't do! [10:43] Action: mel0n slaps himself repeatedly with a hammer [10:43] thanks thumbs [10:43] Mornin' people. [10:43] afternoon over here alan :D [10:44] newbie2010, it cant bring you coffe and find you a girlfriend [10:44] mel0n: sure. [10:45] guax: Actually, I'm reasonably sure eharmony could run on Slackware servers. ;-) [10:45] lol [10:46] lol guax, I'm not sure if really can't!!! [10:46] And making a coffee-bringing robot that runs a stripped-down version of Slackware should be trivial for people so inclined. [10:46] carnival monday and we are on irc, are you sure it can help? [10:47] carnival Monday? [10:47] at least here [10:47] guess i cant find a girlfriend [10:47] Alan_Hicks: what you doing here... shouldnt you be busy? ;) [10:47] aeuhaeuhaehuhaah [10:47] Alan, what version? [10:47] Zordrak: I am busy, working. [10:47] newbie2010: What version of what does what? [10:48] the coffee-brining robot :) [10:48] newbie2010: All of them. [10:48] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:48] Alan_Hicks: Wht stripped-down? I want it to run KDE! [10:49] s/Wht/Why [10:49] niels_horn: And I want in Shania Twain's pants, but it ain't happening. [10:49] which startx evironment is better than others and why? [10:50] Alan_Hicks: With KDE we can run amaroK on the robot. [10:50] newbie2010: You really are a newbie aren't you? [10:50] I'm used to KDE the few times I'm on linux ... but the v13.0 akanodi pissed me off with its endless popups [10:50] newbie2010: go read the 30,000,000 blog posts detailing every conceivable answer to that question [10:50] newbie2010: startx is just a script - as far as which -login- manager, it's debatable which one is best [10:51] I like it Zordrak teasing me hehehe [10:51] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC302BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:52] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [10:52] O_o [10:52] Zordrak Mo0oaaaah [10:53] I see, thanks Alisonken1home ... you're the man [10:53] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz [10:54] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:54] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [10:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [11:02] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [11:02] anyone know what the default dir is for metasploit on slackware? [11:03] or how could i find it? [11:04] anybody? [11:04] newbie2020 (~newbie201@41.252.10.88) joined ##slackware. [11:04] test [11:05] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Reset by Beer [11:05] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.10.88) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:05] are you hacker? .. I'm scared -( [11:05] Nick change: newbie2020 -> brbash [11:05] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:06] no we're not Zordrak is [11:07] how do i list the packages i have installed then? [11:07] mel0n: what is metasploit ? [11:08] ls /var/log/packages [11:08] or slackpkg search [11:09] does anyone know of a way to bind a user to a specific network interface? say user xyz uses xyz0 and zyx uses zyx0 [11:09] and then less /var/log/packages/framework [11:09] obviously the interfaces are virutalized if there is any problem that arrises from that [11:10] cant find it.. oh well [11:10] nick4b (~yte2@77.49.241.148.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:10] is there a pysqlite SBo? 12.2 can't seem to find one, thought I'd ask before compiling from source [11:11] I _believe_ pysqlite is part of python, but don't quote me on that [11:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:11] however, you may have to install the sqlite, postgresql package to use it [11:11] found it for anyone who cares: "/opt/metasploit3" :D [11:11] I think it is post 2.5 from what I'm reading [11:12] ahh, I'm using 2.5.2 =D [11:12] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] oops [11:12] mel0n: are you running Slackware or backtrack? [11:12] slackware [11:13] alisonken1home: yes, pysqlite is part of the standard distribution as of python 2.5 [11:13] backtrack now is debian-based [11:13] any reason why alienBOB? [11:13] using metasploit is a typical backtrack script-kiddie program [11:13] slack13 ships with 2.6.2, so it can be said that slcackware comes with pysqlite [11:13] mel0n: we get a lot of requests to support backtrack, which is still not slackware even though it was originally based on slackware [11:13] i agree but you can use it to create shellcode [11:14] oh i see alisonken1home forgot about that :D [11:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] mel0n: and then feed that shell code to remote web servers? [11:15] not remote, my hp proliant dl380 g3 server, (im taking network security at university in 2 years hopefully :D) [11:16] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [11:18] I'm trying to runn -current in virtualbox 2.1.4 on a 12.2 host. The 2.1.4 guest additions won't build properly on -current (the guest.) I don't need clipboard integration or anything else besides a resolution greater than 800x600. Anyone have any tips? [11:18] Using the fb console at 1024x768 works fine, but starting x drops me down to 800x600 [11:18] alienBOB: also, by means of metasploit you can prove friend/girlfriend/boss/etc advantages transition from windose to linux. Excellent tool. [11:18] may i just add, i use metasploit to pen test my own/friends machines with all sorts of PoC code which interests me or is relevant... i do agree joining ##slackware and asking about how to install metasploit is a typical skiddy action [11:19] without it, i would spend hours messing about trying to compile badly written exploit code =P [11:19] :) [11:19] ) [11:20] :D i needed the directory of it for "fast-track.py" check it [11:20] omg, mel0n go install backtrack and leave us be please =P [11:20] lol :P wireless doesnt work for it [11:21] mel0n: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/framework/ [11:21] Btw, I'm running current in vbox to gain access to the new KDE SC 4.4.0 hotness, thanks to excellent packages by alienBOB ;-) [11:22] ooh, which reminds me.. you abotu alienBOB ? [11:23] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [11:23] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [11:23] interesting - OOo from slackbuild started dying on me since yesterday [11:23] nathanbw: post link to repo, please [11:24] vehn_z, http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/ [11:24] Arno[Slack] (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:25] awned (alex@ftwshell.com) left ##slackware (" "). [11:25] wonder if it's the 'with JRE' thats doing it [11:26] ok - re-d/l sources and trying agoin [11:26] againo [11:26] pebcak - again [11:26] rworkman: your wife is really photogenic [11:27] FRSoldier (frsoldier@212.78.0.2) joined ##slackware. [11:30] phrag: I am here [11:32] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:33] necropresto (~necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [11:33] hi [11:33] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30053.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:35] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:36] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.15) joined ##slackware. [11:36] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.15) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:37] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC302BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:37] raela|alt (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:38] okay, this is probably easy and obvious somewhere, but I'm having loads of trouble figuring it out.. how can I use acpi to see my cpu temp/fan speed [11:39] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:39] did you modprobe the driver for your mobo temp sensors? [11:39] thermal module is loaded, but there's nothing in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone and I can't find any clear answer on google as to where it is in /sys [11:40] sensors-detect [11:40] lm-sensors doesn't find anything and suggests it's because I have a laptop, which should use acpi [11:41] for my system, it's k8temp module [11:41] raela|alt: modprobe coretemp ? [11:42] no such device. I have thermal, thermal_sys, and hwmon loaded.. don't know what else that's loaded might correspond to temp [11:42] did yo try k8tmp module as well? [11:43] how new is this laptop? if it is almost brand spankin' new it might take a while for kernel developers to include support for it [11:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] loaded, but nothing appeared in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone [11:43] 4.5 years old [11:43] that is not too new [11:43] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:44] ok - need to check a couple of other modules then [11:44] I was really hoping for cpu temp detection on the desktop, but that's not slack, and lm-sensors fails on that as well.. was hoping acpi could do it somehow [11:44] raela|alt: describe your hardware to me please [11:45] CPU type, north bridge, south bridge, superio? [11:45] workstation or laptop? [11:45] macavity: is there something is lspci that would help you? or dmesg. I don't have that info for the laptop [11:45] open gkrellm, rightclick on it and select sensors in the options tree and see what it offers in the temperatures thing, you might have to click on the little triangle below Temperatures [11:45] there may be some other modules needed like toshiba_acpi or somesuch [11:45] geronimo9 (~irchon@166.137.9.90) joined ##slackware. [11:46] macavity: workstation is 2x xeon 5520, northbridge: intel 5500, southbridge: intel ICH10R (workstation) [11:46] geronimo9 (~irchon@166.137.9.90) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:47] hwmon loaded? [11:47] gkrellm doesn't detect any sensors [11:48] yeah, hwmon is there [11:48] nuclearblast (nuclearbla@115.135.199.163) joined ##slackware. [11:49] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] ok, those xeons should use the same thermal module as Core i7 [11:49] and ICH10R does not have any built in hardware sensors, so you need to figure out if your particular superio is even supported [11:50] unfortunately, I don't have any spec list handy for the laptop other than its model and anything ls* will give me [11:50] if it is you need to figure out if it is on the standard ports.. and if it is not, then you need to hack the kernel driver [11:50] what laptop is that? [11:50] raela|alt: I dont usually google for others but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=871001 [11:51] I found some people that had some luck with a kernal module for sensors for the same board, but the workstation doesn't have the module and it currently is not connected to the internet [11:51] macavity: toshiba satellite m60 [11:52] ardya: thank you, though I found and tried it already.. the module mentioned is the one the workstation does not have [11:52] meaning slackware didnt include it? [11:53] macavity: the workstation does have hardware monitoring in the bios and says it has acpi support [11:53] hang on.. let me look up that superio [11:53] ardya: workstation isn't running slack, which is why I'm more focused on this laptop, but I have the actual specs for the workstation [11:54] ardya: when I can get the workstation online, I'll probably go bug the centos people about it if various yum updates don't sort it out [11:54] ok, superiotool doesnt know it.. [11:54] ardya: but I figured getting acpi detecting temperatures would (maybe) be similar for either distro [11:54] also, I feel like less of an idiot in here. centos has not been kind to me so far [11:55] it *should* just be modprobe coretemp [11:55] and maybe modprobe thermal [11:55] I don't have the coretemp module though, and thermal is loaded [11:56] if you dont have the coretemp module it is either built in, or you are not on slackware [11:56] this laptop is on slackware 13.0 [11:56] and it is the laptop we are talking about? [11:56] yes [11:56] doesnt make sense.. [11:56] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.15) joined ##slackware. [11:57] does: grep -i /boot/config-huge-smp-* not return CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m? [11:57] I promise it's a stock install.. I don't like messing with the kernel, so I don't know why the module isn't found [11:57] find /lib/modules -iname "*coretemp*" [11:58] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] greetings and salutations [11:58] actually i think he needs the thermal module [11:58] he said thermal was loaded. [11:58] Nehalem seems to be fully acpi [11:58] ah, i am sleeping [11:58] hey andarius :-) [11:58] salutations macavity [11:59] SYG, IGH. [11:59] there is indeed coretemp.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.29.6-smp/kernel/drivers/hwmon [11:59] uname -r, is it 2.6.29.6-smp ? [11:59] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:59] oh, er, I should read better.. FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (/lib/modules/2.6.29.6-smp/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko): No such devic [11:59] yes, it is [12:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:00] ok, so it is not that kind of CPU :P [12:00] cat /proc/cpuinfo if you want to know which on it is [12:00] I think I confused you on what's what [12:00] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) joined ##slackware. [12:00] yes [12:00] ugh.. I need to go to class. I'll try again later, sorry [12:00] thanks for the help [12:00] roger [12:00] np [12:01] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) left irc: Client Quit [12:02] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) joined ##slackware. [12:06] shawn__ (~shawn@cpe-24-31-147-42.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Nick change: shawn__ -> kytan [12:06] nuclearblast (nuclearbla@115.135.199.163) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:06] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:08] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:08] how can i set up ssh to work locally [12:09] fuck! I think some flash crap took a picture of me with my webcam (there's a light when it gets on) [12:09] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [12:09] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.22) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [12:10] last time I checked, by default, flash does not enable cam access [12:10] I dunno but something triggered it [12:10] triggered how [12:11] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7AA2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] the webcam is on my laptop lib and there's a green light turning on when it gets active [12:16] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:16] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:16] what command can I use to shrink the currently working linux partition and leave empty unpartitioned space for another OS installation? [12:16] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [12:16] depends on the filesystem [12:17] ext2 [12:17] all in one tool is gparted, livecd [12:17] why are you using ext2? [12:17] gparted isn't installed by default on slackware v12.1, isn't it? [12:17] how i can install laptop bluetooth [12:17] resize2fs - ext2/ext3 file system resizer [12:18] brbash: Did it several times with gparted... Never failed, but doing a backup before can't harm... :D [12:18] resize2fs is [12:18] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:20] brbash, oh yea you have to use resieze2fs on a un mounted partition [12:22] nothing seems to work on a mounted partitions! [12:23] partition* [12:23] df does. [12:23] and ls. [12:23] and du. [12:24] raela|alt (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:24] raela|alt (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:24] I would expect for a partition tool to not want to work on a live partition. go get a live CD and be happy [12:25] what is the single command that i can fuck the currently mounted disk drive with ... last command on v12.1 befoe installing v13.0 [12:25] ls. [12:25] no it doesn't [12:25] nub [12:25] I am not sure I understand your question [12:26] I need some stronger stuff [12:26] XGizzmo: this is on Slackware64-current [12:26] andarius, overwriting the drive [12:26] dd [12:26] dd it's , you're the man [12:26] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-119.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] kytan (~shawn@cpe-24-31-147-42.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:27] adios amigos [12:27] i dont speak french [12:27] ... [12:27] Action: andarius does feel he is the man, yes [12:27] ;) [12:28] brbash (~newbie201@41.252.10.88) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:30] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:31] hey guys is php preinstalled? cus i wrote a php script to host but it only shows the source code when i visit it :S [12:31] gparted is the way to go :P [12:31] if you did a full install it is. you must enbale it however [12:32] mel0n: have to turn it on [12:32] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:32] ah how? /etc/rc.d/php? [12:32] mel0n: you might, you know, have to like, enable php in a conf file somewhere in /etc/httpd. like [12:32] ok thanks guys [12:34] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:35] just what I need before a workout. Frnech toast and sausage :) [12:37] talking about food.. what to eat.. what to eat [12:37] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:38] i made some homemade beef stew with a chuckroast, potatoes, carrots, onion & celery [12:39] FRSoldier (frsoldier@212.78.0.2) left irc: [12:40] since i am not good at baking i am hoping the wife will made some biscuits or cornbread to go with it [12:41] hba (hba@148.208.237.69) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [12:42] when i want to run go_openoffice writer i get this (http://pastebin.com/d18b21a35) error , how i can repair it [12:43] Pig_Pen, yum!!! [12:43] Blue_Slacker86: install the missing library. [12:44] ardya: i can not find library name [12:44] it is yummy :D [12:45] your pastebin shows the library name. [12:45] win 20 [12:45] http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14932 Blue_Slacker86 take a look at this, i found it googling [12:45] nevermind, that isnt the same lib [12:46] Blue_Slacker86: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/icu4c/ [12:47] NaCl: I installd it 2 min ago [12:47] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [12:47] ok. So, it's probably looking in the right place. [12:48] c4-lmmx (~try@unaffiliated/C4-lmmX) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:51] Blue_Slacker86: working yet? [12:51] Blue_Slacker86: you may want to try the standard OO.o... [12:51] bah [12:51] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:51] i still use the latest 2.x openoffice, not like i need anything new just to let people type stuff up and send to the printer [12:53] anyone on xfce4 ? 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[13:03] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:03] its trully remarkable how many people actually visit slackware.com, since there is not too much to see anyway [13:04] connie.slackware.com says "Please log out immediately if you do not agree to the conditions in this warning." [13:05] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:06] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:06] sahk0: Changelog ;) [13:07] hba: http://slackware.it/rss/snap_slackware64-current.xml [13:07] thats obviously for 64bit current [13:08] magoo (loris@77.42.63.26) left ##slackware. [13:08] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.3) joined ##slackware. [13:09] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:09] Does anyone have first hand experience with this chipset? Realtek RTL8111C PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet LAN [13:10] antiwire: I do [13:11] Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) [13:11] though not in slack [13:11] <^kleanchap> I am trying to install fvwm-crystal which is looking for gnome-session. Does this mean I have to install Gnome? I want to use a light weight wm and Gnome is too bloated. Again, do I need to install complete gnome? [13:11] andarius: Do they work well enough in Linux for use in a router? [13:11] ^kleanchap: some of it, maybe [13:12] antiwire: the one I have is in my firewall machine. it runs Endian Community edition. the card does not work with the stick kernel module so the open source module offered by realtek has to be built [13:12] using it I have had no problems [13:12] andarius: thanks for the tip/info [13:12] Action: andarius notes the endian kernel is not as current [13:13] substancev (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Nick change: substancev -> subvhome [13:13] hey [13:13] <^kleanchap> which Gnome build is recommend for SL13? [13:13] antiwire: yw :) [13:14] ^kleanchap: none :) but probably your best best would be gsb [13:14] gnomeslackbuild [13:14] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Quit: 42 [13:15] <^kleanchap> sahk0, does gsb stay current? [13:15] maybe. they have a site, as well as a # on freenode [13:16] arghh2d2 (~arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] I have this application running called fuppes. When running not as a daemon you can type input that the application will recognize. type in r [enter] will rebuild the database inputing v [enter] will rebuild the virtual containers. Can i use an expect script to expect information like [Database created blah blah blah] then send the v [enter] command? is there a way to monitor an output and send commands ? hope im stating this correct [13:17] i thought an expect script will do it but i can't figure out how to loop the expect script [13:20] ping htpc [13:20] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:23] Action: High_Priest is building wine and preparing for some hard core starcraft :D [14:24] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [14:25] hey everyone [14:26] howdy [14:28] x-ip (~shirase@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Nick change: Blue_Slacker86 -> Blue_Slacker86|k [14:29] Nick change: Blue_Slacker86|k -> Blue_Slacker86 [14:29] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [14:29] say, I have an odd conundrum: hulu streaming video no longer works in slack64/32 but still does in winxp, ubuntu. and win7. win7 runs as a vm under slack64 [14:30] every other flash vid streaming site works ok [14:30] well, huludesktop is working for me :) [14:30] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [14:30] is it another way of installing kdelibs than to use cmake? [14:30] hey guys [14:31] I have one for you: anyone know of a good ansi art viewer for linux? [14:31] :) [14:31] cat [14:32] alisonken1home, thinking of trying that some ime but still woulf like to know why only slack gets a hulu network error in ff [14:32] tuxdev: tried it, the result isn't that nice :) [14:32] cant' seem to find a pattern... [14:33] kingbeowulf: I think it's something to do with adobe flash for 64-bit [14:33] clearly your terminal is not large enough [14:33] do you get a segfault in the window? if so, are you running a computer that has one of the initial 64-bit cpu chips in it (from several years ago)? [14:33] kingbeowulf: ^^ [14:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:34] Did you get your troll certification from a box of cracker jacks, tuxdev? :) [14:35] alisonken1home, none of those issues: hulu reports a network problem but i am also running 64bit ubuntu and 32 bit slack13. ONLY slack can't stream the vid. [14:35] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:35] why aren't you running slack64 if it's a 64-bit machine? [14:35] just curious [14:36] alisonken1home, I am a hobby guy - I run a lot of OSes. Primarily slack13 64 on AMD64 [14:37] the hulu network error (reported by hulu, not slack or ff) only occurs in slack. [14:37] the network sreaming issue has been posted to hulu.com boards as an issue and the guy doing the 64-bit hulu port _says_ it's being looked into [14:37] I can stream twit.tv and youtube and other sites just fine [14:38] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:38] alisonken1home, weird, since my xubuntu 64 with 64bit flash and ff works ok [14:38] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [14:39] There has got to be a pattern here somewhere.... [14:39] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.15) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [14:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:40] slackware doesn't default to "tell them I'm IE" mode ? [14:40] migue (~mconca@200.5.198.98) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I installed 64-bit slack on my laptop, but ran into so many issues that I went back to 32-bit [14:41] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I got flash working on an old version of firefox, but when it froze and crashed, flash ceased to work on both versions I had [14:41] <^kleanchap> I have used the command "split" to breakup a huge file to fit on my thumb drive. Now how do I combine all the split files? [14:42] cat [14:42] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [14:43] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [14:43] slack64 + ff 3.5+ and flash 10.0 r42 has been ok so far. just hulu is gimpy [14:43] had a ton of trouble just finding how to install the 64bit flash driver, even [14:44] yeah - hulu has been having issues lately [14:44] ehhh afk [14:44] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:44] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100124 Firefox/3.6 as user agent. I could try switching it I suppose. [14:45] have not been on hulu for a month of so until just this weekend. bed ridden with flu so ... [14:46] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [14:46] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [14:48] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:49] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] sergio (~sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [14:50] sergio (sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left ##slackware. [14:50] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.70) joined ##slackware. [14:50] it just bugs me that out of 5 OSes (Win7, Vista, XP, Ubuntu, Slackware) in both 32 and 64 bit flavors, only slackware can't view hulu streams. [14:50] wth is hulu streams? [14:51] hulu.com streaming TV shows [14:51] ok [14:51] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [14:51] hi all. is it possible to change keyboard layout with one command from console? [14:51] I can view hulu just fone [14:51] fine [14:52] I'm on 32bit [14:52] I've been getting "Cannon stream video - check your network" issues, even from the NOC [14:52] I'm on slack64-current [14:52] mmmm.... [14:53] maybe you guys should spoof your browser-string or user-string, whatever it is [14:53] I am going to double check slack13 32bit then. [14:53] jeev, thats not it since my ubuntu doesn't spoof [14:53] ah.. [14:53] hrmf [14:54] some USA- thing.. [14:54] slack32 works fine - it just seems to be an issue with 64-bit [14:54] same browser? [14:54] and slackware [14:54] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.162) joined ##slackware. [14:54] stock firefox - the only difference is 32-bit uses adobe flash where 64-bit uses adobe flash 64-bit beta [14:54] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:56] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:56] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:57] i am using flash 64-bit beta and only occasionally firefox crash [14:57] lol [14:57] I have yet to have firefox crash. [14:57] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] However, I have had flash zap alsa [14:58] just noticed that my xubuntu is using flash 32 bit with a wrapper for the 64bit install. [14:58] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:58] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:58] so the pattern emerges. what did hulu change in their 64 bit support when they released the desktop? [14:59] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: wow, the stupidity of most people continues to impress me [14:59] I still get the occasional network issue in huludesktop, just not as often as in firefox [15:01] hello [15:02] nooper (~nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] nooper (~nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:02] nooper (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [15:02] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:02] well, I think its starting to trickle into my nyquil addled brain. Might be a moot point soon since hulu wants to go subscription based soon I hear [15:02] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] what? [15:03] Cann0n: how are you? [15:03] there's been discussion of hulu going subscription to help pay for new episodes [15:03] I'm good. Did you fux your xorg issue Axius? [15:03] and some networks don't want hulu to stream their shows period [15:03] no, I did not. [15:04] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] :( [15:04] Hi, i'm trying to backup about 1 tb of data to an external HD, and sometimes I'll need to retrieve single files from it, and I'd like to use a compressed filesystem. Is there one available in linux? [15:04] sorry i know its not slackware related [15:04] cityLights (~cityLight@bzq-84-111-46-151.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] hi all [15:04] if I can ping a host IP but can't ping host.local - how can I find out what is wrong? [15:04] nooper: there's several and yes slackware also has some support for compressed volumes [15:05] host.local? [15:05] Axius: did you remove everything you did? [15:05] yes the name avahi host gets [15:05] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.15) joined ##slackware. [15:05] alisonken1home: which ones should i look for? i know i dont want to use squashfs or any read-only filesystems [15:05] I mean, on other systems it works, but I am not sure which packages are needed [15:05] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Cann0n: yes, I dit remove all. [15:06] nooper: I don't use compressed volumes, so don't have an answer - I just know they're available [15:07] Axius: it was suggested that you need DRM enabled in your kernel. I can't verify this because I have no experience with that hardware. [15:08] You make need to look into updating a kernel. I had to for the Radeon HD 3200. I can't seem to get full 3d. glxgears shows 180fps but SkyTentacles screensaver shows 5fps. [15:08] Cann0n: neither i have experince with that stuff. [15:09] Axius: try killing X and running xorgsetup as root. [15:10] It will give you what you need. It set up my xorg.conf with my videocard. Just had to change the options [15:11] xsamurai (~munki@pool-71-106-227-134.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Cann0n: I've removed all X stuff. [15:11] even X itself? [15:11] alisonken1home: local is the default setting for avahi [15:11] Cann0n: yes. [15:12] Hmm. I never installed X like that. [15:12] uhm, slackware is up? [15:12] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:13] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:13] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-119.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:13] cityoflights: typically localhost is 127.0.0.1 - first I heard of host.local [15:13] but if you're having a problem, open console and "/sbin/ifconfig" and see what IP's are on your machine [15:14] I try to uncompress a tar.bz2 file and I get this errors. gzip: stdin: not in gzip format tar: Child returned status 1 tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors [15:14] Axius: 'tar -xvf" not "tar -zxvf" - the Z option says use gzip, but the .bz2 indicates bzip format (which would be -j option to tar) [15:15] tar -xzf whatever.tar.gz or tar .xjf whatever.tar.bz2 [15:15] this is the command I've used tar xvzf rute.html.tar.bz2 [15:15] don't use the [15:15] z [15:15] tar -xjf rute.html.tar.bz2 [15:15] option [15:15] -z is for GZ, -j is for BZIP [15:15] Axius, please read the tar manual page (man tar) [15:15] tar has got some smarts lately - try it without ANY compression options and see what it does [15:15] slackware.com is up for me [15:16] is it down for certain routes? [15:16] As alisonken1home mentioned, xvf is sufficient enough for tar to act accordingly on .bz2 files. [15:16] been up for me for 1/2 hour now [15:16] gm152 - that's what I said :) [15:16] ok, thanks [15:16] Axius, tar xvf file.tar.bz2 will work fine .. with only xvf newer tar versions detects automatically if is gzip or bzip2 .. no need for z or j only if you want to compress [15:16] no, you use xjf for .bz2 files [15:16] alisonken1home: Yah, I mentioned that. :) [15:16] if you're not going to compress, then it should just be .tar [15:17] Skywise, try just tar xvf for .bz2 files [15:19] x is for extract, v is for verbose and f is from a file, j is for bz compression and z gzip, there might be versions that can autodetect, but thats the proper syntax [15:20] Axius, did it work? [15:20] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Delahunt: yes, it work. [15:20] yes that i told newer tar versions work fine with tar xvf [15:20] Skywise: tar runs file on them now, so it knows what decompression tool to call [15:21] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:22] no, there are no transparent compression filesystems [15:23] o.O nooper [15:23] NTFS claims to be transparent compression but i don't care [15:23] Action: Delahunt is surprised there's not a transparent compression filesystem for Linux but wonders where that comment came from [15:23] Skywise, you do not need j [15:24] there is e2compr, which is a patch for the ancient ext2, and btrfs has, but its not stable yet [15:24] others are read-only [15:24] and fuse has one [15:25] nooper: which one? [15:25] furesompress. but its just written by one guy. and if he gets hit by a bus, that'll be the end of it [15:26] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Quit: Support Freenode - http://bit.ly/3NtvfD [15:26] unless someone else can figure out what he did, maybe by reading the code or something [15:26] dive, but there's no harm in specifying j [15:26] well I'm lazy and just do tar xf [15:26] Action: Delahunt sees far too many lines of people griping about someone specifying j or z [15:26] transparent! [15:26] me too but still [15:27] what's the point is using a useless switch [15:27] the switch will work with new and old versions of tar [15:27] Action: Delahunt wonders if being on irc requires a bit of narcissism 8-) [15:28] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [15:28] and besides, you'd use the flags when creating the files [15:28] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7AA2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] might as well know what they mean [15:29] Axius (~fd@92.82.82.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:30] if you have to save a letter when extracting tar files, drop the v [15:30] I do [15:30] and I do know what the flags mean [15:31] yay for manual readers [15:31] i usually test before opening files because some people don't know how to make tars with relative paths [15:32] i just use makepkg to package up everything :p [15:32] lol [15:32] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:32] makepkg Pig_Pen [15:34] makepkg makes it too easy, just cd to the inside of any dir you want archived, run makepkg on it including the path where you want to store it and BAM! you got a package of whatever in your storage location [15:35] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:35] yea, but don't you need to install to a chroot directory and then do it [15:35] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [15:35] if anything went 'bam!' I think I'd be panicing ;-) [15:35] i mean, theres an advantage, but i pretty much compile and install from source [15:36] ./configure;make;make install is about as easy [15:36] as long as it isnt the harddrive or CPU or powersupply fan your ok [15:36] compiling has gotten pretty easy lately [15:37] make install DESTDIR=/tmp/pkg then cd /tmp/pkg then makepkg /tmp/.tgz [15:38] does that handle all the dependencies too? [15:38] just those few extra steps will make a usable slackware package making removal or reinstalation easy [15:38] thats easy anyway [15:39] make uninstall [15:39] yeah [15:39] upgradepkg though [15:39] dependencies better be already installed or it wont build unless you are working with a multi-package thing like xfce and that has to be fixed up by the slackbuild script [15:39] the real reason to make a slackbuild is if you want to share it with somebody [15:40] or if you don't want to keep the source around and you're afraid you'll lose your config.log [15:40] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7AA2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:40] or if you have a lot of parameter you dont want to retype every time you need/want to rebuild the package [15:40] the real reason to have a package repository is the same: to share with people [15:40] yeah [15:40] but don't mention that you're sharing packages or they'll give you heck 8-P [15:40] i don't share much [15:41] not necesarily GooseYArd - maybe you have configure options that you don't care to have to remember, so you make a build script [15:41] dive: thats what config.log is for [15:41] cause i don't wanna be responsible for their stuff, i'd rather just tell them about the software and let them make their own [15:41] and/or config.status [15:41] yeah but a build script can make life much simpler [15:41] some packages have lots of configure parameters and you wont want to type them all in a shell and a slackbuild script makes it easier to build and you dont have to worry about forgetting what you used on a package, look at QT's slackbuild for example [15:42] but each to their own [15:42] well thats something i could use, i'd like a database of all the compile options i use [15:42] i have it in a spreadsheet now, but its awkward and mostly out of date [15:43] ostensibly, if you're passing a bunch of random flags to autogen or configure, it won't get accepted to slackbuilds anyway :) [15:43] i use my own stripped down style of a build script on some stuff, they just contain configure parameters (just when lots of parameters are needed) so i dont have to retype them or forget what they are [15:44] i make slackbuilds for anything i plan to submit to slackware or slackbuilds [15:44] typically, i keep the source around from the previous build and just cut and paste [15:44] yup i can understand why slackbuilds has to keep the standards top notch on slackbuild scripts [15:44] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] i don't really do much innovation anymore, i pretty much just copy whats already working [15:44] i don't like having to maintain code [15:45] its never ending [15:45] Wiren (Wiren@78.251.153.62) joined ##slackware. [15:45] i'd rather adapt and customize then develop [15:47] hba (hba@148.208.237.69) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [15:47] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7AA2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] no sense in re-inventing the wheel, if someone already has what you want use it, and if you do fix some bugs email the developer with the info [15:48] Skywise, so you'd rather help only yourself than everyone in linux-land, am i getting you right? [15:48] oh no, i contribute by participating and giving feedback and fixes, but i'm not gonna strap an albatross to my back [15:48] necropresto (~necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:49] Skywise, no one said you have to be a full time developer, just provide code when required, makes you a contributing developer (maybe not a main one but it's the same concept) [15:49] i believe in sharing fixes [15:50] i just don't wanna do maintenence [15:50] Wiren (Wiren@78.251.153.62) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] the way i see it is [15:50] if it isnt broke dont fix it [15:51] yeah, i don't upgrade unless its to fix a problem [15:51] the way i see it is if you can test something (i.e. you have the time and ability)why not? [15:52] i am constantly fucking my machine up so i have to redo it once or twice a year [15:52] because of unintended consequences [15:52] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7AA2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:52] GooseYArd, how? [15:52] dive: tomfoolery [15:52] i was going to setup a machine just to run vms of my servers so i can upgrade and test online [15:53] my example: -current [15:53] by simply using it and emailing Pat when you need help or found something, you do us all a favor [15:53] dive: many times ill just screw around with it until I can't stand the bad shape its in, and ill wipe it [15:53] but its simpler just to keep everything at the same revision [15:53] /var/log/packages/ is there for a very good reason. If you build packages for whatever you need you won't go far wrong. [15:53] true, so it's really a choice. there's not really one that is better than the other: it depends on the context [15:53] see, if i was in pat's place, i'd be sniping off the water tower by now [15:53] production: probably not the place to use -current [15:54] enthusiasts: probably want to use -current (most seem to [15:54] ) [15:54] and its not that i don't like the coding or challenges, its just that they never end [15:54] that's life [15:54] yup, dive is right, it is worth the few extra steps building packages so when and if you need to remove or upgrade or reinstall [15:54] in my former life i was a developer for bleeding edge technology [15:55] i just got tired of the treading water [15:55] challenges and frustrations never end whether it's work, family, society, internet, computing, you name it [15:55] i dont believe in reincarnation but i did in a previous life :p [15:55] i think making progress or not is the difference [15:55] doing work is part of what it means to be human [15:55] Pig_Pen, haha [15:55] is this a lecture? [15:56] do you want it to be? 8-) [15:56] how many packages have you created [15:56] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [15:57] i do custom integration now rather then development [15:57] its pretty much the same challenge, but not as involved [15:58] GooseYArd, me? [15:58] yes [15:58] once a solution is shipped thats it [15:58] you want something else, thats something entirely new [15:58] in my life, many, but that i have available for download on my website, like maybe 4 [15:59] rworkman has most my bases covered so i dont even need to compile 99% of the time [15:59] geeze, the olympics just showed a hd closeup of some cross country skiier's frozen snot hanging from his nose [15:59] Action: slava_dp is waiting for the approved queue of slackbuilds to be published [16:00] i think being able to scavenge from other projects is a skill in itself [16:00] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.22.42) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:01] i think it depends on where you're getting stuff and where you're putting it [16:01] rek (~riccardo@host13-184-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:02] i have 5 or 10 pieces of software that im syncing out of git every day or two [16:02] if those are slackware related i probably have a slackbuild for them [16:02] theres just so many options, so many ways to achieve a goal [16:02] i installed ubuntu near slackware ..i had error 15 grub,now if i try to bood slackware with ubuntu's grub i get kernel panic [16:02] if theres something that would likely fuck up slackware, like autoconf/automake, etc, I have alternative install roots for piles of stuff like that [16:02] thats not good [16:03] how can i fix [16:03] or I'll build a chroot if I need a different version of glibc [16:03] also my .... is not working lately because i'm sad and also due to some pills.... [16:03] rek are you sure you have the same configuration [16:03] and i might have several different versions of gcc/g++/valgrind etc depending on which glibc the project uses [16:04] rek pills are not a slackware issue, are they ? [16:04] :D [16:04] i make slackbuilds for kernels since its easier to clean up all the incremental kernel revisions if I made packages out of them [16:04] one of the reasons i haven't crossed the x64 divide is because its alot of extra baggage and breaks backwards compatibility [16:04] like ive probably got 15 kernels installed on this machine [16:05] right now i got the same stuff on all my hardware [16:05] High_Priest (~Mean@92.244.145.199) left irc: Quit: ... [16:05] keeping a mix of both archs would troublesome [16:06] i never build kernel packages, i just let the old kernels rot in /boot [16:06] GooseYArd: a proper slackbuild should work on both slackware and slackware64 - which the slackbuilds on slackbuilds.org and the slackbuilds on the slackware cd/dvd actually do [16:06] they use the same slackbuild for both 32 and 64 bit slackware [16:06] i always add another image when i make a new kernel [16:06] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] and then i if i like it, i make it the default, but i can always boot earlier ones [16:07] alisonken1home: yah the chroots im talking about are for completely different linuxes [16:08] i work at a linux shop so i need to build binaries for a handful of different sets of glibc/gcc/etc [16:08] so a lot of the software i build by hand, im not putting it into like /usr [16:08] yeah, thats a hassle [16:09] its not too bad since I have a team of guys who pre build those chroots [16:09] thats what /usr/local or /opt is good for [16:09] Pig_Pen: not in this case [16:09] mohaa, depends [16:09] configuration? [16:09] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.22.42) joined ##slackware. [16:10] that many kernels and that many different libs , i'd just build vm images and boot when needed, instead of turning my box into a whore box [16:10] you can make your own branch of root for stuff, including its own tree with /bin /include /lib /share /etc [16:10] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:11] Pig_Pen: yah you can put them anywhere, the location doesnt matter much [16:12] but the point is, there are plenty of cases where building third party software by hand isn't a waste of time [16:12] thumbs: I feel pretty dumb [16:13] xsamurai, I might agree with you there. [16:13] xsamurai: its much less hassle just to use chroot [16:13] adaptr: what happened? [16:13] and it performs a hell of a lot better [16:14] thumbs: I couldn't get 4.3 plasma desktop going - I thought :) [16:14] GooseYArd: not really, once you have an image setup , you can molest copy , redo whatever to it and not have to worry [16:14] turns out it decided to put everything on my second screen - which was disabled [16:14] once I ran nvidia-settings I was almost back to normal [16:14] adaptr: hahahaha. hahahaah .hahahaha. [16:14] yes [16:15] however, plasma still crashed while dragging applets in a panel [16:15] but it restarts in 5 seconds or so [16:15] umm, I don't use plasma. [16:15] we'll see how it goes! [16:15] thumbs: I'm a candy ho' [16:15] what would give all those virtual systems some competition is if someone made a virtual chroot so you could mount a windows partition and chroot it [16:16] adaptr: I could try it, the laptop has enough horse power [16:16] xsamurai: the chroot has no overhead and I can operate in it just by chrooting commands [16:16] thumbs: this is a 2x2GHz amd64 [16:16] adaptr: the ol' p3 does not, so it has to wait. [16:16] believe me, ive tried about everything [16:16] even while X is already running [16:16] true matter of preference i guess [16:16] thumbs: eww, I would not attempt to run plasma on anything under 2GHz [16:16] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:16] adaptr: nor would I [16:17] adaptr: I don't even run xfce on that box. [16:18] xsamurai (~munki@pool-71-106-227-134.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:21] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:24] Action: Delahunt runs xfce on an atom that scales from 0.8-1.6 GHz (ondemand governor) [16:28] plasma runs fine on my 800mhz scaled proc [16:28] Action: adaptr could not get ondemand working on his atom [16:28] have to try again when I get rid of unb00bu on that box [16:29] Busindre (~Busindre@unaffiliated/busi) joined ##slackware. [16:29] adaptr, you run UBUNTI? [16:29] it works out of the box on slackware, fwiw [16:29] Busindre (Busindre@unaffiliated/busi) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:29] slack's modprobe runs through the governors and should set it appropriately at boot [16:30] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-24-103-182-50.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [16:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.21.105) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:31] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] thrice`: sure, but I run apache, mysql, bind, proftpd, etc, etc on it too. [16:31] thrice`: not enough resources left for xfce or any fancy effects, I'm afraid. [16:32] oh [16:32] marrr (~nod@213-238-97-240.adsl.inetia.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.21.6) joined ##slackware. [16:32] as for slackware, however, it runs through the cpufreq drivers, but in a very unelegant way [16:33] thumbs, how does proftpd compare to ncftpd? [16:33] it's just a list of modprobe commands on all the cpufreq drivers [16:33] Skywise: sorry, meant to say vsftpd. [16:33] and i've been on distributions where trying to modprobe a driver for something you don't have can cause the machine to come to a crashing stop [16:34] the first thing i usually do is delete that entire CPUFreq section and insert the only 3 commands i need [16:34] or build a custom kernel that does not have support for hardware you dont have [16:35] well yeah but i'm merely pointing out that i think that section could be done much better [16:35] i've already emailed pat a recommendation or two on this so it's a moot point [16:35] (i also asked that ondemand be made the default governor, which would be in line with how the distributors of laptops normally do things, but alas....) [16:36] i may be trying -current soon, not sure yet. i'll check to see if any changes made it [16:37] cityLights (~cityLight@bzq-84-111-46-151.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:38] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:38] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] anyone ever have their screen be upside down AND backwards? [16:39] not sure why its happening.. [16:40] here's a screenshot.. i have to hold it upside down and up against a mirror to read anything [16:40] http://i.imgur.com/faNip.png [16:41] n8 o/ [16:41] if it was windows, i'd say you have a virus [16:42] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [16:42] i_is_cat: how the hell did you do that? [16:42] i_is_cat: and slackware doesn't come with gnome. Are you using slackware? [16:42] thats not gnome thats kde [16:42] olo [16:42] lol [16:43] and i didnt do it on purpose i swear [16:43] lol [16:43] i_is_cat, have you checked to see if your monitor isn't upside down? :D [16:43] lol its a netbook.. im pretty sure its not attached upside down [16:43] i_is_cat, which netbook? [16:43] oh, right. [16:43] i_is_cat: I recognise the gnome logo on the bottom left. [16:43] and.. the bar is on the bottom like it should be.. its just the text and things that are upside down [16:44] that's the new kde accessibility stuff [16:44] for dyslexics [16:44] lol [16:44] lol [16:44] mag0o: so you need to use the computer upside down? [16:44] marrr (~nod@213-238-97-240.adsl.inetia.pl) left irc: Changing host [16:44] marrr (~nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [16:45] i think that logo is the kde thing for the plasma stuff isnt it? [16:45] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fx [16:45] i use xfce pretty much all the time [16:45] and its an hp mini im trying to get nlite working on virtualbox so i can reload winxp and bring it back in for warranty repair [16:45] Nick change: free_fx -> ga_bash [16:45] Nick change: marrr -> nod [16:47] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] http://imagebin.org/84938 OMG your virus is preading :p [16:47] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:48] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:48] gimping is cheating Pig_Pen [16:48] i think that is a xrandr thing [16:48] i did mine with gimp [16:48] you can rotate screen in X [16:48] piece of crap hp was built with the worse quality control.. the top of the lid/cover is offset enough from the bezel around the screen that it feels weird and catches on the sleeve i have, the rubber feet all came off within 2 months, the screen has grit or something behind it that looks like burnt pixels, and i think the fan just died yesterday because it was grinding on me and now it shuts off when i walk away from it [16:48] but you can invert with xrandr [16:49] i_is_cat, i would never use *hp* unless if i got it for free then would still consider not using it. [16:49] -o --orientation [16:49] ya im not fond of hp products either but it was cheap at the time i bought it lol [16:50] hmmm xrandr eh.. [16:51] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:54] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [16:55] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:55] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.15) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [16:57] so i tried running xrandr it claims everything is normal lol [16:57] NetrixTardis (~leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) left irc: Quit: reboot [16:58] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:58] i_is_cat, what video driver are you running? maybe try vesa? [17:00] im not sure actually.. its x forwarding through ssh from my desktop to my netbook so i would assume i'm using my netbooks intel graphics.. [17:00] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:00] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-213-245.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:01] NetrixTardis (~leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:01] weird.. xfce crashed.. [17:02] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [17:02] sounds like your netbook has multiple problems [17:02] sure does [17:02] i gotta back this thing up and get winxp reinstalled so they dont put up a stink when i bring it in for repair [17:03] lol im going to demand new feet [17:03] i_is_cat: why would they care? [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-164.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] install freedos on it [17:03] cuz its fshop and they're retards [17:04] when i was a tech at fshop someone insisted on getting new feet for his compaq laptop so we looked it up, $280 LOL [17:04] doinel (~sparhawk@xlate-76-89.webg.webster.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:05] i_is_cat, why $280? [17:05] when it arrived, it was a big box full of pages of feet for every compaq laptop they had plus a bunch of extra ram slot covers and little tidbits like that [17:05] i dont know why, but thats just the way they did it.. *shrug* [17:06] was nice for us because all the guy wanted was feet so we kept the box in the back room in case anyone else wanted something like that.. we could seemingly pull it out of our asses [17:07] i want a new screen, new bezel/top cover, new feet and a new fan :) [17:07] I need a 15.5" lcd for my compaq persario [17:07] Hi all. I'm trying to compile suckless's (the developer of dwm) "surf" browser and am running into some problems. I have libwebkit and the other dependencies installed through SlackBuilds, but on trying to compile I run into many "undefined reference" errors and collect2: ld returned 1 exit status. If you would like to try to compile the source is over at http://surf.suckless.org. Their IRC channel was not of much help. :( [17:08] screens are like the most expensive part of a lappy.. i just cant believe they'd mfg mine with grit stuck behind it [17:08] i_is_cat: you might as well buy a new laptop [17:08] its still under warranty [17:08] :) [17:09] just sucks to have to put windows on it.. i was thinking about dos or even just wiping the drive and bringing it in with nothing on it.. [17:09] that might be a better idea [17:09] yeah, thats what i did. Got pissed and punched my laptop. it was 100 bucks more for a new laptop with 2GB ram and 160GB HD [17:12] this little netbook has a 160gb hdd but only 1gb of ram.. still works for me.. anything more labour intensive and i just go to my desktop [17:13] I went from 256M ram to 2GB [17:13] Compaq sucks. They shipped my last laptop with a 2.8GHz P4 and 256MB ram... [17:13] Who does that? [17:14] AND, there was only one slot for ram [17:14] lol thats the way a lot of places do it [17:14] what do you mean 'they shipped'? didn't you know the specs beforehand? [17:14] nooper: no, it was a 2nd hand laptop that was bought from best buy [17:15] I got it for free because it had over heating problems [17:15] i bet the companies that make ram give a percentage to the OEMs when they sell laptops & desktops with a low amount of ram because they know users will eventually go out and buy more [17:15] cat hair was clogging the fan [17:15] yeah, that's ca-ca. I hate that way of business [17:16] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:16] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:17] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-2.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:21] whats the reason for screen rotation failing with this: Couldn't allocate the shadow memory for rotation [17:21] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.220) joined ##slackware. [17:22] doinel (~sparhawk@xlate-76-89.webg.webster.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:22] hi all. where can i get precompiled slackware i686 package of wireshark? [17:22] whats wrong with slackbuild? [17:23] i've tried this http://www.slackers.it/repository/wireshark/pkg/wireshark-1.2.6-i686-1cf.txz but it gives me an error. [17:23] go to slackbuilds.org [17:23] the machine is very old and it take 3/4 hours to compile [17:23] read the howto [17:24] what ever did you get? [17:24] it took me around 72hrs or so to compile kde once.. that was fun wheeee [17:25] .......it's a long story. do you know an alternative repository for that pkg? [17:25] first time a compiled a kernel was on a 500mhz 64mb system and took a long time [17:25] OclkdMan: how is it a long story? [17:25] how did you install it? [17:25] because it spans many days [17:25] looooooong [17:26] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] OclkdMan: check out salix repos. it's slackware based. Also, slacky.eu [17:27] downloaded from that link to my slack-current. #installpkg ..... > error : "xz (stdin) file format not recognized" I've already checked other packages and archive tool such as xz works correctly. It's that pkg that it's corrupted. [17:27] i don't even like wireshark [17:28] hmmm. did you redownload it? [17:28] YES! [17:28] hmm. try slacky.eu [17:29] try using chrome [17:29] I'd just download the slackbuilds and deal with it. lol. or take it to a fast computer and cp /tmp/wiresharx... /media/disk and off it goes [17:30] why do you need wireshark? [17:30] nmap works fine [17:30] LOL [17:30] nmap isnt a packet capture util [17:30] i forgot what chan i wans in, someone mistaked wireshark for a wifi handling frontend [17:31] my fail then. I don't care for snatching packets. I have no use for it. [17:31] Evidntly. [17:31] i snatch ALL your packets! [17:32] I guess network troubleshooting falls outside your range of experience [17:32] but ya.. going to wiresharks site, it seems like other things can do the same.. [17:32] tshark is the command line util, also tcpdump [17:33] ardya: eh, maybe. I'm not in charge of any major networks. [17:33] if its being a bitch, ditch and move on.. or hit it with a stick real hard til it feels like complying [17:33] Cann0n: or your own machine for that matter [17:33] never had wifi troubles. [17:33] its not a wifi thing [17:33] I'm on dial up unless i'm at school or my uncles house. [17:33] totally agree with ardya [17:34] wow people still dial...up.....?? :O [17:34] either way, i HIGHLY doubt i will need wireshark for trouble shooting a network. [17:34] ardya still uses dialup [17:35] poor souls [17:35] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:35] plus, wireshark is just a frontend. the real pro's would do it with cli. /opinion [17:35] they should all get together and build their own private wireless mesh network [17:35] out of peanuts... wish the store wasn't 15 miles away [17:36] i think the real pros use what they are comfortable with as long as it lets them get the job done.. heh ive seen unix network admins dont even know what nmap is.. lol [17:36] Cann0n: how would you know what a real pro uses when you thougt wireshark was a wifi thing [17:37] ardya: Troll much? [17:37] look in the mirror, and think before you hit enter. [17:37] i'll need wireshark in practice part of my NetworkSecurity exam. we have to use that tool. tcpdump cannot apply complex filters to some pkgs. [17:37] ardya: Shhhhhh. Learn to play nice fella. [17:38] OclkdMan: CISCO? [17:38] also p&p & business contracts might stipulate that the real pros *have* to use one program over some other program they feel works better.. [17:38] OclkdMan: its an excellent tool [17:38] very conditional.. [17:38] Anyone remember SATAN? [17:38] Cann0n: no. just a university exam. [17:38] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.10.100) joined ##slackware. [17:38] hmm the red guy with horns, tail and a pitchfr0k right? [17:38] ya i saw him.. [17:39] i_is_cat: System Analysis Tools for Administrating Networks [17:39] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Cann0n, I do. [17:40] anybody here knows/uses NetSecl? [17:40] That's what I used to use when I was taking CISCO classes in the late 90's [17:40] Okay... [17:40] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Instead of wireshark* [17:40] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.3) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:40] That and other fun tools at http://www.porcupine.org/ [17:41] netdiscover is a nice little lan monitoring tool [17:41] never got to use it. MABSoft makes a nice windows ST suite [17:42] the only thing i've actually used sniffing for was to figure out what ports to forward to play a game online behind a firewall [17:43] Cann0n_ (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:43] in slackware it is possible to use "iptraf" if someone don't like tcpdump :). [17:43] gosh i'm sloppy [17:43] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.10.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:43] ardya: knows. [17:44] OclkdMan: do you have an online example of what will be on the test? [17:44] what test? [17:44] his exam. [17:45] ....it's an italian Security Course [17:45] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Are there going to be any certs giving out for the class? [17:46] s/giving/given [17:46] can I have wintergreen? ;) [17:46] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:46] Nick change: Cann0n_ -> Cann0n [17:46] oooh italian [17:46] zest fully clean, you're not fully clean until you're zest fully clean [17:46] jeev: I bathed yesterday. [17:47] Cann0n, miracle. [17:47] i helped my uncle configure some sort of switch or something 2yrs ago to send to malta.. i cant even remember wtf the thing was exactly but it was fun [17:47] selimozbas (~selimozba@88.249.162.150) joined ##slackware. [17:47] anyone played FEAR? [17:47] I knew an Italian chick. She had the bushiest eye brows... [17:47] i play wii [17:47] anyone play mario kart? [17:48] and doesnt cheat? [17:48] I smoke wiid. [17:48] how can find xfce4-xkb-plugin for slackware 13 [17:48] jew and me both [17:48] tick (tick@80.48.171.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [17:48] i_is_cat: I rock the SNES version once and a while [17:48] that .txz package [17:48] I just wish this laptop has a parallel port. [17:49] ya the snes version was the shiz back in the day [17:49] or is it F.E.A.R. [17:49] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:49] but now its wii baybee [17:49] I wired an old snes controller up to a parport [17:49] altho the piece of crap cheats so bad i want to kill it with a butter knife sometimes [17:49] it works sweet bit I doubt I will be able to convert it to usb [17:49] i use xbox controllers they are basically usb.. [17:50] Yeah, I hate xbox controller [17:50] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:50] i have one wired to usb and another one thats normal but i ripped the port from an xbox and wired it to usb [17:50] lol [17:50] im not fond of them but they're a hell of a lot more comfortable than playstation controllers [17:50] plus they were free [17:51] yeah, true that. [17:51] the snes was mad easy to wire up. I'd like to wire a sega gen, but I only got one [17:51] i would like to get a snes controller or two for my emulator but im poor [17:52] i'll trade a possibly working xbox for one ;) [17:52] Well, I googled wireshark. Looks pretty similar to SATAN by comparing features. [17:52] lol im not sure if the damn thing works and im too lazy to bother with setting it up as a myth frontend even tho i should.. [17:52] i_is_cat: place down the street from my uncles sells them for 5 bucks a pop [17:52] Sega games are 2.50 [17:53] I wish I know more about writing to ROM's so I could utilize my sega gamegear [17:54] If you have a Game Haven near by thay have tons of old ass console game stuff. [17:54] I'd like to burn DSL on SGG cartrige and see what would happen [17:54] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.220) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:54] set up your gamegear as a second monitor/controller [17:55] Can't. this laptop is very limited as far as inputs/outputs go [17:55] I have a Cybiko 1st gen [17:55] usb hub mang [17:55] does anyone still make an analog to USB joystick adapter? [17:55] yes [17:55] someone still does [17:56] But... I couldn't figure out how to stick linux on it without bricking it. I was gonna take advatage of that RF ability that thing has [17:56] heh, might you know who? or where one might purchase same? :) [17:56] NyteOwl: you could probably hit up a thrift store. [17:56] i havent got a clue but im sure google does :D [17:57] Cann0n: all the threift store around here keep is old furniture and clothes [17:57] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [17:57] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Quit: life is but a dream [17:57] hmm. I bought a computer for 0.50 USD from one in alabama [17:57] the monitor is monochromatic [17:58] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] sweeeet [17:58] ghostbusters! [17:59] Hmm.... I wish SATAN was still in dev... [17:59] mr.satan is awesome [17:59] My Smrt terminal is green monochrome, my XT's second monitor is amber monochrome and the radio data computer is paper white monochrome :) [17:59] that's the only frontend shit I've used... I miss my IT classes [17:59] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:00] NyteOwl: yeah, I got an apple IIe [18:01] with 11 different manuals [18:01] I remember when softwaare shipped with a bunch of manuals. I miss that [18:01] lol [18:01] i remember when manuals were printed on paper [18:02] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.47.15) joined ##slackware. [18:02] that's what I meant [18:02] OMG [18:02] sahk0 (~sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:02] yeah, computers stopped coming with restore disks too [18:02] and they werent one 3x5 tracing paper thin piece of crap that had one line written in every language under the sun [18:02] lol [18:03] The last version ol Borland Pascal shipped with 14 manuals [18:03] paper manuals [18:03] cant remember wtf it was i bought but all it had was a tiny slip of paper with something that said any issues should be directed to their website in about 40 languages [18:03] all in english [18:03] I remember the 5.25" floppies [18:03] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:03] i remember the 5.25" hdds [18:04] Laser disks! [18:04] I once held an 8" floppy - they were real floppy [18:04] i remember opening up my friends computer about 5yrs ago and going WTF?!?! there was still a 5.25" 4gb hdd in it haha i threw it away [18:04] lol [18:04] tch [18:05] he had a new 40gb.. lol i didnt just open his system up and throw his hdd away and give it back.. [18:05] I remember old gateway towers... 200mz and 40" tall [18:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:05] i_is_cat: did the old hd work? [18:06] gateway wasnt allowed to ship its computers here for a long time [18:06] nooper, yep it did [18:06] did gateway die? [18:06] NO??? [18:06] i cant remember what happened to them.. they were putting out those emachines pieces of shit for a while.. [18:06] and you threw it away? stop this computer cruelty! [18:06] lol [18:06] it was a piece of crap [18:06] I haven't seen that stupid cow logo in years [18:07] you probably treat your grandma the same way [18:07] phrag, around? [18:07] yes.. i take my grandmas 5.25" 4gb hdd's and throw them out every left tuesday [18:08] I used to play this cheese olympic game on the commodore64 [18:08] I feel old... [18:11] evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:12] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:13] did you play Knight Games? [18:13] i feel out of it [18:14] GooseYArd: no [18:14] Hey, connection... Speed (movie) and metal Gear Solid (ps1) have the same music. [18:15] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:18] rek (~riccardo@host13-184-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [18:20] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-24-103-182-50.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] flash sucks [18:22] duz, but not as much as silverlight [18:23] selimozbas (~selimozba@88.249.162.150) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:23] they both sucks [18:23] chowder (~Anon@c-98-211-211-147.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] mr-S^b43 (~Mr-S^b32@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Cann0n: if so, then MGS used speed's music, since that was written by Mark Mancina : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111257/fullcredits in 1994, while MGS was released in 1998 [18:27] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:48] hallo [18:49] Bye [18:49] chowder (Anon@c-98-211-211-147.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:49] alloha, covers them both :P [18:52] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:53] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-2.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:54] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] can't take it anymore, I just removepkg'ed firefox, I'll use links until my browser is ready [18:55] try chrome [18:56] no way =) [18:56] way [18:56] actually I tried it once on a friend's computer, well, not convinced [18:56] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:56] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:57] the only real problem I've had with it is html5 vids [18:57] chrome is really really nice. [18:57] no its not [18:57] it's usable [18:58] yes [18:58] and light enough for my old laptops [18:58] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [18:58] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:58] what I don't like is it's too simple, feels a bit like gnome's philosophy^Wway of doing things: if something _may_ be too complicated for the user, just remove it [18:58] that's the main thing that appeals to me [18:59] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:00] I mean the lightness, not the simple [19:00] It could still do with some more useful extensions like autofill forms [19:01] Is anybody familiar with gcc and kernel compilation? I'm trying to write a "test" device driver, but I get errors when compiling the base code [19:01] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] http://pastebin.com/m5a4a6fa6 [19:03] not really tried making a kernel module but what errors do you get? [19:03] Is it inside the kernel source tree? [19:04] Nevermind [19:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:04] dive: I get about 3k errors [19:05] oops [19:05] Trying to compile with "gcc -I/usr/src/linux/include -c file.c" [19:06] Oh, sorry. Only 685 lines of errors, not 3000 [19:06] i would think that means you didn't get anything right [19:07] It generally is something about not including the right files [19:07] or an unmatched delimiter [19:07] Like if I need to link with some .so but didn,t [19:09] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-223-17.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: time to travel the world, or just the halls [19:10] vhann: afaik, it's definitely not how you would compile a kernel module [19:11] and now, [ in bed ] =) [19:12] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.152) joined ##slackware. [19:13] Camarade_Tux: Why? How would you compile a kernel module? 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[19:34] i would reconsider device driver writing at this stage in your relationship with gcc [19:34] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.64) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:35] riddlebox (~james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:37] adaptr: It's ok, I found out the howto I was reading was for pre 2.4 kernel drivers [19:38] Although it wasn't mentionned anywhere in it... [19:40] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:40] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:41] Nick change: umopepisdn` -> pragma_ [19:43] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:51] how can I config a linux client to authenticate via server1 users? 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[20:05] Guest91695, try "ls -l" on the x86_64 [20:06] thrice: will do, as soon as compiling completed. thx [20:06] Guest91695, ok, they should be the same ;) [20:08] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-186-136.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:10] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-187-171.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:10] 64bit Slack doesn't recognize my ethernet device. ifconfig -a show no eth0. It's an onboard nvidia MCP55 ethernet nic. Never had this problem using 32 bit Slack. When I try to modprobe forcedeth I get the following error: [20:11] Error inserting forcedeth (/lib/modules/2.6. etc etc): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) [20:12] dmesg | grep -i forcedeth shows: [20:12] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [20:12] forcedeth: Unknown symbol pv_irq_ops [20:12] forcedeth: Unknown symbol pv_lock_ops [20:13] xorsurgeon (~ce10d781@gateway/web/freenode/x-fqgxydjmireoblgt) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:13] repeats those two statements 3 times [20:15] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:16] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] suddenly all my intel compositing problems seems to be gone. o_O [20:21] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [20:21] oo, what did you do to make them go? I had to put in "Composite" "disable" in my xorg.conf to stop weird color flashing. [20:23] thats the impressive think, i did nothing [20:23] well, im updated to the current [20:23] so guess x11 guys did solved [20:24] pretty neat to see that transparent stuff =P [20:24] current has seen no x11 updates [20:25] driver and x11 updates yes, but i hadnt tested the composite for a while [20:26] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:27] composite enabled, text and browser scrolling going smooth xD~ [20:27] what a dream for my 945gm [20:27] ardya: 3lol [20:28] oops. that was old. [20:28] guax: what chip set? [20:29] Anyone here know where I can get a copy of the script that's used to generate the Slackware changelog? [20:29] Cann0n, 945gm (ich7) [20:30] cool cool [20:30] I've been thaving issues getting full support with my radeon hd 3200 [20:30] think 82801G [20:31] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:31] glxgears shows 180fps but any screensaver (gl) shows 5fps [20:31] its pretty cool to see your laptop doing the stuff =P [20:31] lol yeah [20:31] look that transparency... =~ so beautifull [20:32] Cann0n: I haven't used it in a while but glx gears reorted speed is dependant on the size of the window it runs in [20:33] yeah, but even in the screensaver preview window, it's 5fps [20:33] but thanks for the hint. [20:34] how much memory on the 3200? [20:34] gosh, I forgot. [20:34] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [20:35] just curious. I have two 3200's. one 32M one 64M [20:35] I think it's 64m [20:35] NyteOwl, hi [20:35] M [20:36] NyteOwl, and that's "here" not "her" 8-) [20:37] Delahunt: hi there. lol - poor typing tonight :) It was suggested I ask you about how well Slack is working on an EEE n450? [20:37] On my radon, only real thing I had to do was change the AGPMode from 1 to 8. ColorTiling seems to increase the glxgears results, but doesn't make any noticeable difference watching movies, etc. [20:37] theres some pretty nice stuff to keep on, like darken inactive windows =) [20:38] It's not a bad memory card. I'm sure if I installed the catalyst drivers, I could get full support like I had with fedora (crap distro) [20:38] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-37-198.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Er, radeon. [20:38] slackaholic (1000@187-25-160-15.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:38] NyteOwl, mine is an eee 900a [20:39] atom N270 [20:39] Cann0n: I'm using the opensource drivers with my 3200. I'm being a bit of a heretic and using ATI's for my 4870 :) [20:39] but slackware works great on it. only gripe is 4gb hard drive requires trimming to put slackware on it [20:40] but you can upgrade the onboard ssd (my upgrade is in the mail) [20:40] Delahunt: why? too big? [20:40] 4gb ssd is all it has [20:40] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-187-171.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:40] Delahunt: install Salix. [20:40] no you can't do a full install for that, you have to trim out devel tools and half of xap easily [20:40] Delahunt: cool. I was looking at maybe picking one up. The newer one has a 250GB HDD so space isn't a problem :) [20:40] Cann0n, um no, i use slackware (-current) [20:40] Slackware based and installed under a gig [20:40] NyteOwl, yeah that would definitely not be a problem [20:41] i get 4 hours with my 3 cell [20:41] Cann0n, yes but it's not slackware. [20:41] Delahunt: eh, yes it is. sbo's work link a charm [20:41] why do you keep recommending salix in here? [20:42] It's just slackware minus kde, bloat, and with a fuw small tweaks. [20:42] Delahunt: not bad. the new chipset is suppoed to give 14 hours using WIn7. I wonder how long Slack would give? [20:42] thrice`: just trying to spread to word. It's build directly from slack13 [20:42] Cann0n, you said it's salix, hence it's not slackware [20:42] NyteOwl, probably a heck of a lot more lol [20:43] who cares? you think salix is the first to base on slackware, (but really, it's COMPLETELY compatable!!), and use dep. resolutoin via. slapt-get? [20:43] but it depends [20:43] i know it's not the first to base on slackware, i was going to build one myself, but i decided against it [20:43] thrice`: I know it's not the first... Why the attacks bro? [20:43] i just said i don't want salix because it's not slackware, end of story. that's my preference [20:43] because telling people to use another distro in slackware is really old [20:44] and you seem to do it too often [20:44] Delahunt: thanks for the info. [20:44] NyteOwl, the only problem linux in general has is that i feel (this is just my opinion) is that it is lagging behind windows a bit in being battery-friendly, but this is mainly because everyone makes drivers for windows [20:44] bbiab [20:44] Action: Cann0n searches the chat log from the past week... I've said salix 7 times (this will be the 8th), only refered in 3 times. [20:45] however, i can only compare brand new installation of windows (any version) with factory patches versus linux. by the time xp shows even 3 months of age it's battery performance is lagging behind linux [20:46] with linux on a mechanical hard drive though it gets annoying to set hdparm -B 1 or whatever to try and get some good spin-down only for the applications in linux to cause it to wake every 15 seconds afterwards [20:46] mikl0 (~User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:46] so in practice hdparm can't help much at all [20:46] Action: thrice` sets -B 254 [20:47] besides, all a dsitro is, is a file system hierarchy that supports a kernel that instnalls a predetermined amount of packages... [20:47] Action: Delahunt sets -B 254 when on ac power via acpi_handler.sh [20:47] Cann0n, not at all [20:47] Cann0n, wrong [20:47] s/instnalls/installs [20:47] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: GoodBye - See you later [20:47] correct me please. I'm ignorant. [20:47] there's so much more that goes into it (especially if you're a hacked up distro) [20:47] probably the BIGGEST difference is package management [20:47] debian has entire programming teams per package [20:48] then yes package management and also init scripts, and then security mechanism (i.e. those who use pam and those who do not) [20:48] then all the other various random scripts that may or may not be resident, running, dormant, etc [20:48] case in point, slackware (when configured) gets 30 minutes more battery life than mandriva (last time i checked was 2009.2 or the final 2009 version before 2010.0) [20:49] hmmm. I don't get it. [20:49] try mandriva or ubuntu and then report back your findings [20:50] or debian (i.e. stable) >8-) [20:50] Delahunt: thrice` told me to stop advertising others distros. I'd trust you'd do the same. [20:50] besides, I don't like drak or debian based dsitros. [20:50] Cann0n, i'm not advertising them, i'm asking you to try out and see for yourself how much difference there is [20:50] I prefer the structure of slackware [20:50] you said they're all the same, i'm daring you to prove your assumption by hands on experience [20:51] I didn't say they are all the same, I defined the word Distro. [20:51] it's not cool to say something that is not true but be too chicken to prove it through experience [20:51] [20:51] I fail to see how a package isn't a packgae. [20:51] and we told you your definition is dangerously shallow [20:52] s/dangerously/ridiculously/ [20:53] Sigh. I'm done arguing. Circle Talk is for the Al Qaeda. [20:53] Yay! [20:53] no circle talk. you're saying something you have no experience with and are too cowardly to prove. welcome to /ignore. [20:53] does this mean Bitchy Bickering hour is over? [20:54] not unless you want to continue it 8-P [20:54] on this channel its a marathon [20:54] sorry to disappoint 8-) [20:55] trying to configure my soundcard, using alsaconf, seems it finds the appropriate driver "hda-intel" (ICH9 Family), alsamixer runs fine afterwards showing it's levels, however, still no sound. Is it possible that rather than configuring my laptop speaker (soundcard) it is configuring my HDMI sound ? [20:56] danc3: yep. It's called close-minded prejudice. Some people think if you put Ford enblem on a Honda, it is no longer a Honda... [20:56] xorsurgeon, did you make sure none of the channels are muted and that your speaker channel is up (if one exists)? [20:56] Delahunt : you bet. [20:57] hmm [20:57] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp gives static? [20:57] 'speaker-test' is also a good test :) [20:58] NTU (~neo@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] running speaker-test, yields no sound, though it seems to run through the test. [20:58] I will try "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp" [20:58] xorsurgeon: pastebin lspci -k [20:59] if speaker-test doesn't result in sound, neither will dd :) [20:59] how do you decompress over 50 .tar.gz files at the same time like in every other distro? tar zxf * keeps saying "This file: not found in archive" [20:59] but its _right_ _over_ _THERE!_ [20:59] Cann0n: would love to, unfortunately, im typing to you on one machine, and trying to configure on another, not connected to the network [20:59] NTU: same way as you'd do it in any other distro. slack's tar is the same gnu tar other distros use [21:00] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] then why isn't tar zxf * working? [21:00] im launching it in same directory [21:00] NTU: tar zxf ~/dir_of_files [21:00] i think. [21:00] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Ooo, speaker-test shows the channels are wrong for my setup. How do I tell the system what output is to what speaker? [21:00] ill give that a shot. thanks [21:00] you can also man tar [21:00] NTU: and have you verified that individual files can be untarred? [21:00] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [21:01] yes i have using a live cd of a different distro [21:01] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [21:01] tar xf *.tar.gz will work on slackware [21:01] is one of the entries, in "lspci -k" [21:01] oh you dont use z. [21:01] Action: NTU tries it [21:01] NTU: you can, but you don't have to. [21:01] NTU: no need to use z [21:02] mm, I thought tar files would have to be looped [21:02] List of all my files: Not found in archive... yet again :( [21:02] yeah, i thought the second argument after f is the specific file to extract from that archive [21:02] NTU, i have never gotten tar to work with globbing (*) [21:02] NTU, for i in dir/*.tar*; do tar xvf $i; done [21:02] quite possibly. zip needs that kind of a loop too. i know i gunzip * all the time [21:03] It's not going to work with globbing. [21:03] it works in everything else [21:03] so... yeah slack doesnt work with globbing [21:03] personally i just for i in *.tar.bz2; do tar -xjf $i; done [21:03] And chickens lay eggs. [21:03] no, slack is not the issue, it's tar [21:03] bsdtar, maybe? [21:04] im just using slackpkg's 13.0 x86_64's tar [21:04] up to 7 a day for the ones that aren't on hormones [21:04] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:04] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:04] NTU: there's nothign wrong with tar. YDIW. [21:04] NTU: i'm starting to wonder about your claim that it works with other distros [21:05] i've had to use loops everywhere [21:05] lol [21:05] thrice` ill try that loop [21:05] rworkman, how do you generate the changelog on SBo? Is it a shell script? [21:05] wolven: vi. [21:06] lol [21:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:06] OK, so no scripting to auto add version changes? [21:06] thrice` it worked!! [21:06] omg [21:06] wolven: nope [21:06] OK, thanks [21:06] thank you :D [21:06] sure thing :> [21:06] NTU: In other news, the rest of the commands perform as documented. [21:07] lol [21:07] huh? [21:07] Action: NTU leaves before further confusion evolves [21:07] NTU (~neo@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:08] There was no evolving. [21:08] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/puKS2S53.html [21:09] test34- (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:10] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:12] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:12] at least not in Kansas [21:12] devede rocks [21:12] byteframe: yep it does [21:13] brokedown, dvd::rip isnt working for me though [21:13] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:14] dvd::rip works great here [21:14] i liked acidrip [21:14] thumbs, It takes a long time to transcode my 300 frame test, but I just get a resulting 2.0k avi file... [21:14] byteframe: what codec? [21:15] thumbs, xvid [21:15] byteframe: odd. [21:15] I'm using all the slackbuilds for the deps and dvdrip. [21:15] byteframe: same here, on 12.2 [21:15] 13.0. I might try installing xvidconf. [21:16] byteframe: you shouldn't need that. [21:16] man i love Dirty Jobs [21:16] I know. [21:16] tried h264? much better bang for your buck [21:16] byteframe: I ran into a problem with the latest transcode script from sbo, I had to add two configure arguments for dvd:rip to work correctly [21:16] byteframe: if you can show me the error log from transcode in a pastebin, I can look. [21:16] I think I did, ffmpeg/h264 was an option. [21:16] --enable-libmpeg2 and --enable-libmpeg2convert [21:16] thumbs, I don't think I got an error, but Ill try to it to work. [21:17] byteframe: or the general log, with the transcode options. [21:17] byteframe: I'll take a peek. [21:17] ok [21:17] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:17] mohaa (~nome@92.49.75.220) joined ##slackware. [21:17] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Changing host [21:17] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) joined ##slackware. [21:18] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:18] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.16.160) joined ##slackware. [21:24] nooper (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:25] whiho [21:25] anyone experience with rooting htc magic? [21:26] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-67-189-121-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Landru! Guide us! [21:27] GooseYArd: you've got a private msg from me [21:30] hey, i'm writing a slackbuild for a i7z for certain intel cpus, it has two makefiles, *.i386 and *.x86_64... how do i handle that with regard to the ARCH, do i just allow i386 and x86_64 as valid ARCH values or 'spoof' ARCH as i386 if i486/i686 is set ? [21:30] thumbs, huh, I got it to error now: http://pastebin.ca/1797952 [21:30] HaMpA: i've rooted my htc hero [21:31] byteframe: awesome. [21:31] phrag: I have to set all my slackbuilds manually [21:31] Cann0n: yes, but i'm asking abotu the best proceedure with regards to slackbuild standards [21:32] phrag, ive just upgraded the zip files, Img/cyanogen mod / patch... android logo showed up after like 5 minutes, now its only blank... [21:32] like 20 minutes [21:32] how much longer [21:32] I dont want to brick this magic too :P [21:32] byteframe: # [21:32] [[31;1mdecode_mpeg2.c[0m][31;1m critical[0m: No support for MPEG2 configured -- exiting [21:32] byteframe: that's bad news. [21:33] Best way I know is to set ARCH=${ARCH:-x86_64} manually and have [21:33] LIBDIRSUFFIX=64 [21:33] thumbs, i'll see if I can work it out [21:33] HaMpA: i'd give it longer, make sure plugged in [21:33] rworkman: back sorry [21:33] byteframe: sounds like borked mpeg packages. [21:33] byteframe: see my advice above, you need to recompile transcode with some added configure arguments [21:33] phrag: same source with 2 different makefiles? [21:33] HaMpA: there are ways to recover iirc [21:33] I don't think there is an actually standard to handle it any other way [21:33] XGizzmo: yes [21:34] brokedown, okay, let me see ifthe slackbuild doesnt do that. [21:34] hang on a sec [21:34] HaMpA: did you root first, reboot, then install cynaogen ? [21:34] byteframe: if it is the latest from sbo it doesn't [21:34] yea [21:34] slackaholic (1000@187-25-160-15.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:34] one click root [21:35] perfect spl... [21:35] did you get the boot loader? [21:35] brokedown, can I use the environmental variables at http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/transcode/ ? [21:35] switched from 10 to 2005 [21:35] ye [21:35] what? [21:35] It seems it is quite limited by default. [21:35] SPL [21:35] that is [21:35] byteframe: yes, and add the two additional arguments to the script in the configure section as well [21:36] brokedown, it looks like I can just use the variables: --enable-libmpeg2=${LIBMPEG2:-no} \ [21:37] trying to configure sound on my laptop here, it has HDMI capabilities, alsaconf autodetects hda-intel as the driver, alsamixer, shows it's levels, nothing is muted, yet aplay /usr/share/sound/*.wav produces no sound. Is it possible the driver loaded is for HDMI and not my built in laptop speakers ? [21:38] phrag: http://pastebin.com/m4f883e9f [21:38] HaMpA: i do remember the first time i installed modaco custom rom it took ages to boot, like half an hour or something, even longer if you don't have ext3 partition configured [21:38] I did format and changed to ext2 and converted to ext3 [21:39] I will just wait, is it a good or bad thing to connect the phone to usb? [21:39] XGizzmo: great, that was pretty much the logic i was going to follow, just wanted to check if there was a preffered method [21:39] thanks XGizzmo =) [21:39] it's maybe perhaps time to sleep.. [21:39] no problem [21:39] HaMpA: it should be connected to a power source [21:40] okey I plug it in :)O [21:40] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:42] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:42] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [21:45] asarch (~asarch@189.188.140.77) joined ##slackware. [21:46] phrag, still nothing [21:46] over half an hour [21:46] takes less time installing full slackware on a retarded DELL [21:49] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [21:50] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:51] it's interesting when people use the word 'dell' to represent some kind of specific product. it's like when they say 'novell' and what they really mean is 'netware' [21:52] ananke: join #vmware and stay for a half hour [21:52] You'll see it [21:53] i can only imagine [21:54] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) joined ##slackware. [21:54] geronimo9 (~geronimo9@c-68-53-76-14.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] Hi folks [21:57] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:57] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] ananke, you mean novell means more than netware? [22:03] nachox: yeah, it blows people minds. especially when you tell them that microsoft makes more than windows, or sun makes more than solaris. [22:03] ohh, and honda makes more than lawn mowers :) [22:04] lol [22:04] In all seriousness, I know NetWare made Novell rich, but what else was there (besides variants of NetWare)? [22:04] NDS? [22:04] network cards [22:04] ananke, hehe, its interesting that people still associate sun with solaris firstly despite all the java crap sun tried to stuck up everyone's a** [22:05] LSD`: groupwise, zenworks, suse, identity manager, etc [22:06] LSD`, their eDirectory Ldap server is quite famous, their IDM stuff is also very used, their Log management is probably the best i've seen [22:06] It's always going to be Sun Solaris [22:06] ananke: Most of that came after NetWare though, right? [22:06] but yeah, I get the point :) [22:06] LSD`: yes. same thing as java came after solaris, office came after windows, etc. [22:06] kruger (~kruger@a85-139-203-86.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:07] hello ppl, is any option like gentoo to use flags in slackware? [22:07] no [22:07] kruger: ./configure --help :P [22:08] ok [22:08] yeah, those big products definitely make those companies easily recognizable, but it's the 'use name of company instead of the product name' that i find interesting. [22:08] --MORE-RICE [22:08] roll all your packages by hand, like rolling your own cigarettes = they all got a hump in the middle :p [22:10] ananke, maybe it has to do with how they do marketing? i'm guessing that in a business as changing as the server business, dell is more interested in people remembering the dell name than they are in they remembering the name of one particular server [22:10] i dont know about the novell case, i was a kid during the netware boom [22:10] nachox: good point [22:13] trying to configure sound on my system, all works fine through the headphone jack, but nothing comes through the built in laptop speakers if i have nothing plugged into the headphone jack [22:13] xorsurgeon, unmute the speakers, which probably have a separate setting in alsamixer [22:14] It's a little different with a company like Dell though. Dell make lots of PCs under various model names, but they can ll be correctly referred to in a general sense as "Dells". It's the same as saying you drive a Ford or whatever, it doesn't matter what specific model it is, it's still "a Ford". [22:14] thrice` : looking at alsamixer, i've tried unmuting any channels that were previously muted (mind you those channels dont have bars to adjust volume levels), still nothing [22:16] xorsurgeon, oh, ok - sorry. my headphone jack + actual speakers have seperate mute controls [22:17] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] thrice` : no apology needed, appreciate the help regardless [22:17] LSD`: sure, until you start attributing qualities to said product. at that point you ought to be mentioning specific model [22:17] getting an apology from thrice` is like getting one from the pope [22:17] meaningless and full of lies? [22:18] thrice`, i said the pope, not the bush administration [22:18] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-37-198.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:18] brb [22:18] Action: xorsurgeon gasps, a non believer ! in this day and age ?! [22:18] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] D3lahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt7-port-26.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:19] :> [22:19] rworkman, ping [22:19] I've tried adding "options snd-hda-intel model=mobile" and "options snd-hda-intel model=laptop" to /etc/modprobe.d/sound, with no success [22:19] (anyone else rsync with rworkman's repo? had a question where the dir begins [22:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.16.160) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:20] I'm trying to build kdebluetooth 1.0_beta8 on Slack13. Could it be as simple as editing the configure file to look for kdeconfig-4 instead of kdeconfig or is there more to it than that? [22:21] xorsurgeon: What laptop? Audio chipset? Alsa driver version? [22:21] I don't think so - I believe it requires bluez4 ? [22:22] thrice: it's the older version that was used in kde3, not the newer kdebluetooth4. [22:22] ah, ok [22:23] peacedog : HP HDX 16 , ICH9 Family I believe, and how do I determine the driver version of Alsa ? [22:23] The new one and Blueman both require bluez4 afaik. [22:23] Action: nachox wanders off to bed, night all [22:24] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.47.15) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:24] xorsurgeon: cat /proc/asound/version [22:24] peacedog: 1.0.18a [22:24] Delahunt: eh? [22:26] rworkman, i can't seem to rsync to your sources [22:26] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:27] i'm going -current and i wanted to have your build dir mirrored on my machine but when i hit rlworkman.net::pkgs/13.0/sources it says too many levels of symbolic link (because sources -> ../sources/13.0) [22:28] is there a less painful (for you) way to rsync to your 13.0 build directory (i will be selective and very little more than xfce*plugins and thunar* [22:28] What rsync options are you using? [22:28] rsync: change_dir "/sources" (in 13.0) failed: Too many levels of symbolic links (40) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1505) [receiver=3.0.6] bash-3.1$ rsync rlworkman.net::13.0/sources/ [22:28] i was just trying to get the directory listing [22:30] maybe a "source" module is in order? just wondering.... [22:30] (i.e. instead of ::pkgs ::source instead of the symbolic link) [22:31] security poetry: http://www.nsa.gov/ia/guidance/security_configuration_guides/operating_systems.shtml [22:31] Hrm, I'll have to look into that in a bit [22:32] rworkman, until then i may switch to wget, hopefully i won't clobber you too badly [22:32] rworkman, anyways i am going -current for a while (since recompiling slackware for the atom does almost nothing when using -Os but runs about the same, oh well, might as well help out in a way that will be appreciated, i.e. -current) [22:33] although i found a bug on -current when i fresh-installed it on my netbook and reported it to pat. turns out adduser script wants /etc/default/useradd (forgot the name of the file), file don't exist in 13.0, in -current it does but it contains GROUP=1000 and when you run adduser it complains "no such group as 1000" etc so i emailed pat [22:33] simple fix [22:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:34] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:34] Action: D3lahunt is waiting for -mtune=atom [22:35] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:38] pupit: interesting that the only linux they have is RHEL5, but for Apple they list 3 versions and for Windows they go all the way back to MS 200 (not recommended due to EOL) [22:38] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) joined ##slackware. [22:39] D3lahunt, Atom doesn't have a whole lot of untapped capability, it is a very simple architecture. It is more akin to the original Pentium than anything. You can get slightly better performance using ICC over GCC if you really want to try and squeeze everything you can out of it. [22:39] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:40] alisonken1home: not just that, in the interview: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/dino-dai-zovi,review-31548.html DINO speaks more about windows and macs than linux, like they are more secure... [22:40] MS3FGX, i wish they had just depeened the scaling on the pentium-M and given it sse3 [22:40] lots of L2 cache ftw [22:43] xorsurgeon: We need to determine which codec we're working with. cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep Codec [22:43] MS3FGX: I'm trying to build kdebluetooth 1.0_beta8 on Slack13. Could it be as simple as editing the configure file to look for kdeconfig-4 instead of kdeconfig or is there more to it than that? [22:43] pupit: sure it's not just because they need less work than linux? :) [22:44] ([cr/h]acking, that is) [22:44] D3lahunt: shadow bug will be fixed in next update. I'm going to have to figure out the best way to fix that rsync bug. [22:44] peacedog : two entries, first codec : IDT 92HD71B7X , second codec : NVidia MCP78 HDMI [22:44] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] alisonken1home: possibly [22:45] D3lahunt: Was SSE3 in the P4s when Intel first released the P-M? SSE2 may have been, but wasn't implemented in the P-M (It's why I can't run Moblin on my Eee 900 >_<), but I think SSE3 was a few years later [22:45] SSE3 wasn't introduced until the Prescott line. [22:45] Hence it has the flag PNI [22:46] rworkman, no big deal bro just asking [22:46] LSD`, not sure [22:47] p-M fwiw was a totally new chip (although it shares common features) [22:47] peacedog, I'm not terribly well versed in the KDE3/4 transition. XFCE is more my thing, really. Why are you trying to avoid kdebluetooth4 in the first place? [22:47] i remember reading the intel description of how it was different and how they either added more things that didn't consume more memory or reduced things that ate memory (small pipeline was one compromise over the pentium 4) [22:47] but anyways, i'm not a cpu expert [22:48] It requires the bluez4 stack? I *think*? [22:48] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:48] alisonken1home: the main line is, the more variants of OS-es, the greater security. my english is not so good, can't express myself everytime when I want, but I think its worth reading it-interview :) [22:50] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:50] peacedog: best I can tell, kdebluetooth is a hole full of shit. [22:50] Yes, that is true. [22:50] IOW, it doesn't work. [22:50] Don't waste your time. [22:51] Blueman seems to be the only decent BT app for 4.x, aside from the official GNOME one from Marcel [22:51] I'm *hoping* to see bluez4 in -current soon :) [22:51] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] MS3FGX: yes. Aside from one tiny (well, depending on perspective) bug with it, blueman is looking like a good addition too. [22:53] rworkman: Noted! ;-) I'm running Slack13 stock install, any recommendations? [22:54] peacedog: I have none. The reason I started hammering on bluez4 is because bluez3 was a bit, um, unsavory for me. [22:54] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:54] I had tried to get Blueman together for the Slack 13 release, but it was not nearly as mature as it is now. With Blueman actually working, there is no problem moving to BlueZ 4.x. I don't like the direction BlueZ took at all, but I guess it is a necessary evil for the type of environments BlueZ is now used in. [22:54] MS3FGX: Indeed :/ [22:55] That seems to be the sentiment for most things nowdays :/ [22:55] rworkman, /msg ? [22:55] Slackware tried bluz4 once and found out nothing worked with it yet. [22:55] Delahunt: sure [22:56] Yeah, seems like that was in 12.1-->12.2 ?? [22:56] XGizzmo, funny, now nothing works without it [22:56] rworkman: I think so. [22:56] BlueZ 3.x does leave a lot to be desired, audio is nearly unusable. It doesn't help of course that it is partially broken in Slack 13. [22:57] hey guys im having some problems [22:57] i have snd_pcm and snd_pcm_oss modules loaded [22:57] but when try to record some audio with wxcam gives error: cant found /dev/dsp [22:58] and some minutes ago i recorded video with audio with same program [22:58] any idea? [22:58] lsmod says snd_pcm is loaded [22:58] xorsurgeon: Have a look at /usr/src/your_kernel_version/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt and find the line with your codec, STAC92HD71B* for model options. If none of those work you may need to upgrade your alsa drivers. [22:59] ? [22:59] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:59] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:00] peacedog: will take a look [23:00] any idea why this is happening? [23:00] rworkman: Any caveats when upgrading to bluez4 with a stock Slack13 install? [23:00] peacedog: good luck. [23:01] LOL, is it that bad? [23:01] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:01] Building and installing bluez4 is no problem, actually getting it to work with anything is another story entirely [23:02] I am assuming you are looking to do more than just scan for other BT devices, so that is where the issue is going to be [23:03] MS3FGX: So 3 doesn't work, 4 doesn't work, WTH? I had bluetooth working just fine on my old laptop w/Slack12 and kdebluetooh1.0_beta8. I was able to transfer files to and from my phone and pda w/out fail. What gives? [23:04] It is a rather painful transition period. [23:04] The entire API changed between BlueZ 3 and 4, but the userland utilities haven't really caught up, outside of the official one that is GNOME only. [23:04] peacedog : so i would substitute the model options in lets say /etc/modprobe.d/options ? ie : options snd-hda-intel model=hp-m4 in my case [23:05] So GNOME-less distros like Slack are sort of stuck in limbo, waiting for the whole thing to mature. But at the same time, BlueZ 3 is really starting to show it's age [23:05] peacedog : as hp-m4 relates to my codec [23:06] Slackware has now moved to KDE4, which is attempting to modernize and use BlueZ 4, but it isn't doing a very good job of it [23:06] xorsurgeon: /etc/modprobe.d/sound is where the module options should go. [23:06] peacedog : on it [23:07] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:08] MS3FGX: So to my original ? How complicated is it to build kdebluetooth1.0_beta8 for kde4, since I already have 3 up and running. I'm just looking for a nice gui tool to work with what I have. [23:10] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:11] peacedog : aside from a few errors showing up at boot time related to the configuation of ALSA, the sound works atm from the default laptop speakers. [23:11] peacedog: so snd_pcm must be on /etc/modprobe.d/sound? [23:12] or just on /etc/rc.d/rc.modules it's okey? [23:12] peacedog, I don't have any experience building KDE3 apps for KDE4, so I couldn't say. I can tell you that the BlueZ package in Slack 13 would certainly work, though you would probably want to fix the few glitches in it: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/bluetooth-on-slackware-13-hcid-gone-wild-755667/ [23:13] peacedog: i'll work on these errors as the day moves on, just want to say thanks for taking a bit of time out to point me in the right direction. [23:13] someone can answear? [23:14] or? nobody wants to help me? [23:14] xorsurgeon: No reason for snd_pcm to go in /etc/modprobe.d/sound. Just the module options. Mine looks like this. http://pastebin.com/d17f4fbfc [23:14] acidtripper: If someone wants to help you or can help you, they will. [23:14] xorsurgeon: No prob, your welcome. [23:15] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] ok, antiwire is just a silly question the thing is that from one moment to another /dev/dsp doesn't work [23:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Reset by Beer [23:16] MS3FGX: I'll take a read there. Thanks. I'd really like to build the gui though. If you hear anything could post it at lq, or somewhere public? Thanks again. [23:16] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:16] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:17] peacedog: how do i know which model of hda-intel i have? [23:17] acidtripper: cat /proc/asound/cards [23:17] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:18] acidtripper: head -n 1 /proc/asound/card0/codec* [23:18] xorsurgeon: FWIW, I had to upgrade the alsa drivers, libs, and utilities to get real functionality from my sound card. [23:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:18] acidtripper: reference codec's against information contained at /usr/src/kernelversionhere/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt [23:19] acidtripper: use model reference in /etc/modprobe.d/sound - ie: options snd-hda-intel model=MODELYOUFOUNDIN.TXT [23:19] peacedog : haven't even got my feet wet with upgrading drivers, libs and utils yet, but i'll note it for future ref. [23:20] xorsurgeon: i have to codecs *0 and *1 [23:20] lSI id1040 and idt 92hd75b2x5, that i think is intel one [23:21] acidtripper : k, open up HD-Audio-Models.txt as noted above, look for STAC92HD75B* and find your model [23:22] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] acidtripper: then specify it via /etc/modprobe.d/sound [23:22] acidtripper: All files in /etc/modprobe.d are sourced when modprobe.conf is read, so you could use a file like /etc/modprobe.d/options, but I'm guessing it's good practice to keep it all centralized, ie: in sound file, like peacedog mentioned earlier. [23:23] Indeed [23:24] and in newer releases, those files must have a .conf suffix [23:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:24] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:24] good to know. [23:24] and with module-init-tools 3.12 or later (soonish though), the .conf suffix will be *strictly* required (now it just whines), and /etc/modprobe.conf won't even be looked at. [23:25] i.e. only /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf will be [23:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:26] xorsurgeon: STAC92HD75 IS NOT PRESENT [23:26] 71, 73 [23:27] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:28] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-228-105.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:30] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:30] acidtripper : Wish I could give you better direction, basically regurgitating the steps I went through to solve my problem. Appears the same does not necessarily apply to you. [23:31] geronimo9 (~geronimo9@c-68-53-76-14.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:31] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-125-201.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Heya,slackers [23:32] heya MLanden, how are you? [23:32] acidtripper: might help -> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=idt+92hd75b2x5+%2Blinux&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8 [23:33] heya,fire|bird....doin' fine thanks..just finish upgradin' kernel and openoffice3..you? [23:33] MLanden: doing alright, thank you. :) [23:33] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:34] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] fire|bird, awesome [23:37] mikl0 (~User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:39] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:40] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:41] brbrbrbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [23:42] fire|bird, workin' on anything new? [23:42] MLanden: not a whole lot, no. KDE 4.4 sure is nice. [23:43] fire|bird, yeah,it is from what I've seen [23:44] How would I prevent the Akonadi server starting when I enter Xwindows (KDE) as root ? [23:44] have you looked around at all in the system settings? [23:45] remember, KDE is a GUI [23:45] K-DE [23:46] antiwire : negative, truth is, I wouldn't know where to look for system settings. maybe it's time I get an Intro to Linux book :P [23:46] it's a GUI fro crying out loud [23:46] look around [23:46] click on stuff [23:47] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:47] antiwire : if I click on the little 'x' thing in the top right, the window thing disappears ! [23:47] Action: xorsurgeon grins. [23:47] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Peace out ;-) [23:48] someone steal "lille "X" thingy" ? [23:48] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] So. I haven't used slack since, like, 1996 I think. slack 3.0 - the installer hasn't changed a bit.. :p [23:50] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:50] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:50] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [23:50] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [23:51] Action: break19 pokes Cann0n [23:51] yeah, but some forks have fany-chromy UI in installer, like in Fedora or Debian[now] [23:52] what? debian has a fancy installer now? haven't used deb since 04.. and only thing I noticed then was, they finally got around to offering an iso image.... instead of a dozen floppies.... [23:53] htey have GUI from 4.0 version[Etch] [23:54] I'm currently still installing slack64 13.0 in vbox.. thought I'd hang out here for a bit as well. [23:55] break19, have you tried vbox's latest package 3.1.4? [23:56] MLanden: thats what I'm using now.. but I'm on different distro atm. I change distros the way most people change their underwear... :p [23:56] once a month ? [23:56] ew [23:56] tmi [23:57] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:57] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] break19, way TMI..:D [00:00] --- Tue Feb 16 2010