[00:00] good evening all [00:01] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:02] evenin' dtanner [00:03] Action: FriedBob bangs his head through a nearby brick wall. [00:03] ouch [00:03] Action: twolf hands FriedBob a sledgehammer [00:04] Action: fluxnuk3r hands FriedBob an ice pack.. [00:04] Action: BP{k} hires FriedBob for construction work [00:04] lol [00:05] Action: FriedBob eats the icepack, then breaks the sledge over his head. [00:05] Not the handle, but the steel part. [00:06] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:07] Action: fluxnuk3r buys FriedBob a double whopper with cheese and a large overstuffed sofa. [00:07] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [00:07] fluxnuk3r: Keep it, and make these printers work [00:07] aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh [00:08] Action: fluxnuk3r finds a hole and hides in it. [00:08] printers are evil. [00:15] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bd7bc74d3c2c16ad) joined ##slackware. [00:15] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:16] win 12 [00:16] fail 13 [00:17] hey .. my /etc/shadow has a line on my user id ... "userid:somelonghashedvalue" [00:17] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [00:18] if I save that value somewhere ... then reset password and then copy back that saved value to the shadow file .. would the password change ? [00:18] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bd7bc74d3c2c16ad) left irc: Client Quit [00:18] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:18] omg [00:18] http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184&nav=menu1362_2 [00:18] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [00:19] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:19] Her Verizon High-Speed Internet CD won't load, so she can't access the internet. She also can't install Microsoft Word, which she says is a requirement for MATC's online classes. [00:19] OMG is right [00:19] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "Leaving" [00:20] haha [00:20] idiot. [00:20] I need to learn more about fonts in X [00:20] might look like windows, but doesn't act like it? I'd hope not. [00:21] I have never dove into that area, but sometimes i want to have new fonts as system defaults in a window manager and just never fooled with it [00:21] hehe yeah [00:21] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] I am compiling enlightenmnet ( and friends ) tonight [00:22] sbo has it all there [00:22] dtanner: come to think of it, i've never worried about changing my font [00:22] nice [00:22] I like sbo a lot. some good work being done at sbo [00:22] enlightenment is nice. 16 or 17? [00:22] 17 [00:22] ah [00:23] if I feel like DE, I use XFCE, if I want wm, I use awesome or ion [00:23] finally got this slack 12.2 cd#1 to gsb set up.pulse-audio was a pita .too much multi-booting forgot some things oh well good refresher course :). [00:24] I'm just about to burn my custom 12.2 dvd [00:24] I still use fluxbox, I am too lazy to try anything else, had the same set up for many years [00:24] lol [00:24] yuh openbox,pekwm,fluxbox and xfce here too [00:25] yuh i have like 40 styles or so lol [00:25] boxlook.org rules [00:25] and all f tenr's [00:26] freshmeat is good. [00:26] yuh [00:27] wth? [00:27] mordy (n=mordy@pool-68-160-226-210.ny325.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. 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[00:39] A: 560.0 V: 560.0 A-V: 0.015 ct: 0.223 231/231 13% 37% 6.8% 0 0 <-- if someone wouldn't mind telling what those are in the context of mplayer it'd be great [00:39] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [00:40] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.226.15.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] hiptobecubic: means you're 560 seconds into the audio (A:) and video (V:) tracks, the audio/video sync is off by 0.015 sec [00:41] Hi .. is the hash in /etc/shadow enough to make a password .. if as admin if I reset the user passwd for some time (After taking a backup of the hash value in /etc/shadow) , and then copy the hash value back to /etc/shadow .. will the old password work ? [00:41] not sure about the rest [00:42] Urchlay, ah ok. that's a good start i guess. [00:42] duryodhan: Only one way I know of tofind out for sure... [00:42] FriedBob: cant' test here... work comp [00:42] :) [00:43] duryodhan: So ssh into your home box. [00:44] can't ... home box is a laptop .. not connected [00:44] duryodhan: yes [00:44] if you keep the old password hash, it'll work [00:44] cool :) [00:44] duryodhan, yea, it works as long as you copy all of it [00:44] I thought so too .. just wanted to confirm [00:45] interesting [00:45] (as I couldn't confirm by testing) [00:51] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [00:51] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:53] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-158-118-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:53] any of you guys here proficient in perl? i got a problem the cause of but not the remedy. has to do with a sig handler function catching a SIGALRM and killing a child process. [00:54] #perl ? [00:54] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-66-92-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] been forever since I dealt with signal handlers in perl [00:54] can pastebin the code somewhere? [00:54] #perl is the dead =( [00:55] can I PM you the prob, kinda off topic for here [00:55] can't really use private messages on freenode, haven't registered [00:55] lol [00:55] oh, didnt know that was a requirement [00:55] it isnt [00:56] hm. Why did I think it was, then? Some other IRC network... [00:56] It can be [00:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:56] Registered users can set themself to only accept PMs from other registered users [00:56] i do [00:57] Action: jkwood sends nullboy 12,000 PMs [00:57] obnauticus (n=lol@c-71-236-130-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] aargh .. how do I set default browser in thunderbird [00:58] start..settings..control panel..and [00:58] :D teasing ya [00:58] wasuuuuuuuuuup Old_Fogie [00:58] duryodhan, I think you can in 'about:config' [00:58] dtanner, hello there [00:59] Action: Old_Fogie sends some cold air down to dtanner's neighborhood [00:59] Nick change: dtanner -> Old_Stogie [00:59] hahaha good one [00:59] Action: Old_Stogie blows it back up North [00:59] Nick change: Old_Stogie -> dtanner [00:59] oh teh nozers [00:59] man I think I built the worlds worst kernel a few min ago [01:00] Old_Fogie: make randconfig? [01:00] Or whatever that option is [01:00] wow, bad, I had two screens running while booting [01:00] like split or something [01:00] I dont know how to explain that [01:00] Old_Fogie: in thundebird ? about:config ? [01:00] 2.6.28 [01:01] yeah dont they still have that, they did not too long ago. [01:01] I know I changed it to opera on my wifes [01:01] been a while, but it had worked [01:01] where will I type that .. ? there is no address bar in thunderbird [01:01] Action: fluxnuk3r loves M*A*S*H [01:02] duryodhan, gimme a sec I find it here [01:02] forget it found it [01:02] :) [01:02] ah k [01:02] sorry for the trouble [01:02] aint' no thing [01:02] Old_Fogie: didn't realize you were on there for a sec (i'm blind) [01:02] Action: fluxnuk3r waves at Old_Fogie [01:03] hello fluxnuk3r [01:03] I try and respect my elders. [01:03] lol [01:04] that's a good value to maintain :) [01:04] unless if there a blabbering idiot :) [01:04] weird .. its still not working ... [01:04] screw it [01:04] are you a blabbering idiot? [01:04] Action: Old_Fogie goes to ask the wife :) [01:04] LOL [01:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) joined ##slackware. [01:04] fluxnuk3r: Old_Fogie is really a 12 yro girl pretending to be an old married man. ;) [01:05] FriedBob, haha, oh to be 12 again. [01:05] FriedBob: he must be insane. isn't it the other way around usually? [01:05] lol [01:06] time travel is good [01:06] fluxnuk3r: Sometimes he does pretend to be a 12 yro while pretending to be an old man, which would make 'him' a 12 yro girl pretending to be an old man pretending to be a 13 yro girl.. [01:06] lol [01:06] nice [01:07] Anywho, I'm getting too old to be up this late. [01:07] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [01:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [01:07] I need to go plug back in and recharge, and do an offsite backup. [01:07] FriedBob: unless you're a 12 yo girl. [01:07] I'll jack back in tomorrow. [01:07] :P [01:08] fluxnuk3r: I'm an AI script. [01:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) joined ##slackware. [01:08] I knew there were some bugs to work out on that [01:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:12] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [01:13] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:16] ok i hate to ask again but does anyone here have a laptop PC that they bought within the last year that they use Slackware Linux on? do any of you have reviews or advice to offer? I'm asking because it seems that there aren't many recent laptop reviews on LQ or LL [01:17] TwinReverb, just wondering, have you looked at the ubunut one's at Dell? I mean they're s'posed to be linux compatible and all that jazz. [01:17] I was looking at them today, seem pretty good for the price. (I'm shopping to by the way, heh) [01:17] thinkpad [01:18] i would rather puke on myself [01:18] (just kidding) [01:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:18] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:19] Then buy a laptop with ubuntu? You almost banned me for dissing a distro [01:19] I just got a new thinkpad x61s and slackware installed like a champ [01:19] I like the x61s because you can get a standard lcd instead of widesreen [01:20] twolf, max res? [01:22] >.< [01:22] i'm having one of those moments where i can't figure out what laptop to buy [01:22] 1024x768 [01:23] :S [01:23] but it is only 12" [01:23] light as a feather [01:23] get about 7 hours out of the batter out of the box [01:23] battery [01:24] the X series are great. [01:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:24] I also have a T60 that I love, a little bigger with a 14" screen but very powerful [01:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:26] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [01:27] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] hi :) [01:29] hi [01:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:44] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:46] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:06] steerpike (n=Unknown@pool-96-250-193-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] Laptop B: Toshiba Satellite A305-S6857. core 2 duo T5750, 2ghz, 667mhz fsb, 4GB RAM, 15.4" WXGA, intel onboard X3100 graphics, 320GB 5400rpm sata drive, intel wireless-N, refurb $629 [02:10] which of those two? the dell has a better CPU and better display but the wireless is dell brand (i have no experience with). the toshiba is bigger (sort of a minus) but intel wireless is known to work with linux easily [02:10] i would lean towards the dell if it had intel wireless [02:10] can't you just ask dell for the intel card? [02:10] i do that all the time [02:11] masterx831 (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:12] oh wait i have something better for dell (here we go; substitute this for laptop A: inspiron 1420, 4GB RAM, 250GB 5400 rpm hard drive, intel x3100 graphics, core 2 duo T8300 (2.4GHz 3MB cache) intel wireless 14.1 inch WXGA+ [02:12] nevermind, this one is a better deal [02:12] (A) [02:12] Avelino (n=Avelino@201-95-162-167.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:15] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:18] hello acidkill [02:19] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [02:20] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:23] compiz is kinda cool [02:23] getting eror on loading the window decorator [02:24] once i fix that ( it is looking for libwnck ) I should get my window borders and I will be eye candy happy for the moment [02:25] ctrl+alt+left/right arrows moves from desktop to desktop .. cooll shit , not laggy at all either [02:25] and down arrow [02:25] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:25] the three important ones that I found [02:27] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.190.31) joined ##slackware. [02:28] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BAAB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:29] good morning vietnam! [02:30] morning [02:30] playing with compiz here [02:31] very cool [02:31] sounds fun [02:31] Im, alas, am at work [02:31] Action: slackytude no play :( [02:31] vietnam? [02:31] found the "secret keystokes i needed to switch around desktops and get some cool effects [02:31] there's no better place to play than at work ;) [02:32] rk4n3, heh. well, boss aint here this week, so, there might be a counter strike game later ^-^ [02:32] \o/ [02:32] :) [02:32] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:32] fluxnuk3r, its from a movie [02:32] ah [02:33] ironically, the movie's title was "Good Morning Vietnam" [02:33] lol. never seen it [02:33] Robin Williams [02:33] Action: slackytude nods [02:33] cool [02:33] year? [02:33] ... doing what he does best - acting wacky :) I believe it was in the late 80's [02:34] Action: rk4n3 surfs to imdb.com [02:34] yep, '87 [02:34] k [02:35] I believe that was also the movie that Forrest Whittaker got famous from [02:35] (he played the aimiable side-kick) [02:35] Robin Williams made some good movies [02:35] lot of crappy ones, too, of course [02:36] yeah, Mrs. Doubtfire absolutely sucked [02:36] really? cant remeber seeing FOrrest Whittaker [02:36] ... I like "What Dreams May Come" though [02:36] then again, its been some timge [02:36] Mrs. Doubtfire hit me pretty hard actually, because I could relate to it. [02:36] yep, that it has ;) [02:37] rob0, because you also wear women clothing? [02:37] ah yes, I too can relate to the premise, but I thought Robin Williams' acting sucked, as did the screenplay [02:37] personal experience in child custody litigation [02:37] ah, I see, no laughing matter then [02:37] but sure, the clothing too ;) [02:37] yeah, I got raked over the coals in my divorce too [02:38] Avelino (n=Avelino@201-95-162-167.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [02:38] Mrs. Doubtfire's judge was a power-mad idiot, blind to the facts and without regard for the kids. [02:38] just like mine! [02:38] mine too ! [02:39] eh, just like every judge [02:39] what a coincidence [02:39] and millions others, yes [02:39] slackytude, do you know every judge? [02:39] rob0, do you know millions of judges? [02:39] is this bad? grep DOWNLOAD */*.info | awk -F"=" '{print $2 }' | sed s/\"//g [02:39] haha [02:39] someone school me, i know there has to be a way to do that with one command [02:39] nullboy, what is that for? [02:39] TwinReverb, yes, and they are all named "bob" [02:40] Action: TwinReverb stabs slackytude :P [02:40] TwinReverb: just suppsoed to find all the SBo .info files and print the download URLs [02:40] hey nullboy [02:40] why sed then? [02:40] slackytude: to ditch the " around the urls [02:40] hmm well i think i'll stay out of that because i surely don't know much about scripting [02:40] is it necessary to kill the \" around URLs? [02:41] are they being sent to a file or to a command? [02:41] nullboy: how about ... grep DOWNLOAD */*.info | cut -d= -f2 | sed "s/\"//g" [02:41] rk4n3: lol [02:41] Action: slackytude shrugs [02:41] looks good to me [02:41] fabriziocutro (n=x3m@host233.190-137-201.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [02:42] well in know it works, i was just curious if i did it a sane way [02:42] hmm someone else might've used sed for more of the command than to pipe between several commands, but i don't see any issues [02:42] if I want bash improvements, I usually ask one of the semi-gods in #bash [02:42] nullboy: relatively sane, though using awk seemed a little weird to me (hence cut) [02:42] rk4n3: that cut way is less cryptic typing [02:43] granted, maybe using perl or C or C++ would be better but alas [02:43] :) [02:43] rk4n3: more better [02:43] ah, I like awk [02:43] fabriziocutro (n=x3m@host233.190-137-201.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [02:43] nullboy: more gooder ;) [02:43] lol [02:43] slackytude: oh yeah, don't get me wrong - I like awk too - its great for certain scenarios [02:43] now i can write a massive build script to rape every mirror listed in all my SBo builds [02:44] YAY [02:44] ye gods, what have we done? it's a monster [02:44] woohoo ! rape ... wait, what was that ? rape the horses and ride off on the women ? [02:44] oh man that one made me lol [02:44] :) [02:44] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:44] man the AARP has been sending me membership info since I was 15, these guys are relentless [02:45] AARP? [02:45] old people club [02:45] American Association of Retired People [02:45] heh [02:46] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:46] but hey, some people can retire at 15, too ... [02:46] I wish [02:46] but what type of retirement is that? medical? mental? :D [02:46] i know plenty of people who act mentally retired already :D [02:47] ooh .. I think most of the Gossip Girl stars can retire with their earnings now [02:47] heh - all you have to do is drop out of school and start the IV of opiates ... I believe the hippies from the '60s called it "dropping out and plugging in" [02:47] i think i was mentally retired one minute after the first time i clocked into my first job [02:47] \me realized that he just outed himself as a Gossip Girl viewer [02:47] duryodhan, i rest my case :D [02:47] rofl [02:47] nullboy: whoa - I first read that as "mentally retarded", and I was gonna say "hey, me too" [02:48] haha [02:48] lmao [02:48] woah.. I never realised it was retired till rk4n3 pointed it out [02:48] hehe [02:48] Can one use crontab to restart the system [02:48] this is my job: http://www.kunsan.af.mil [02:48] hiptobecubic, yeah [02:48] hiptobecubic, sure why not? [02:49] TwinReverb: you have to do all the military training etc ? [02:49] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [02:49] TwinReverb: sweet - I should wear that suit when I have arguments with my wife [02:50] TwinReverb, just checking. I'm trying to make a bridge on my homeserver, but i can only get to it via ssh. Last time i tried, i ruined everything and had to call someone to go restart it. But i figure i'll make a cron to restart it in 10 minutes, and if it works just cancel the cron entry before it does. [02:51] j0z (n=JESUS@201-24-224-31.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:51] oh but wait, cron only runs once a day? [02:51] nope [02:51] hourly, daily, weekly, ect [02:51] you could also use at [02:51] ok [02:51] at? [02:51] man at [02:52] hiptobecubic: shutdown +10 -r ? [02:52] and then shutdown -c if it works [02:52] hiptobecubic: cron runs continuously, and can launch jobs from your crontab at any time you like, there are just centralized daily, weekly, etc... schedules for convenience [02:52] at now + 10 min poweroff [02:52] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Client Quit [02:52] ah ok [02:52] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [02:53] duryodhan, i forgot i could just put a timer on shutdown... i think that's the simplest approach [02:53] *sigh* [02:53] duryodhan, training? we're in an exercise [02:53] my windows VM gives me generic hosst error or some crap [02:53] so i guess it is training. what training do you mean though? [02:53] slacktude: what virtualization product ? [02:53] VMware server [02:53] hmm loads of updates.. [02:54] slacktude: the host is Windows ? [02:54] but Im prety sure its unrelated to the VM, just windows being crappy [02:54] rk4n3, win2003 [02:54] slackytude: well, there's your problem [02:54] heh [02:54] what do you mean? [02:54] slackytude: Windows sucks [02:54] :) [02:55] heh, gotcha [02:55] TwinReverb: I assumed you are the IT guy .. but afaik military requires you to have the basic mil training .. did you have to do that ? (and show fitness every 3 months ) [02:55] seriously though, I've had terrible luck the few times I've tried VMware on Windows [02:55] TwinReverb: ofcourse it all becomes moot if you actually a gun toting military guy [02:55] (Windows as host, that is) [02:55] rk4n3, It run pretty well the last 3 months or so [02:56] show fitness once a year [02:56] i already had basic training [02:56] slackytude: ah, well you've had better luck than I, then :) [02:56] i do not tote a gun: i fix F-16s [02:56] rk4n3, ^-^ [02:57] rk4n3, how is your job nowaday? still managing junior coders? [02:57] k [02:57] slackytude: actually, there's some big changes in the works - we're dumping contractors like bad habits [02:57] freebse (n=freebse@a89-183-22-94.net-htp.de) joined ##slackware. [02:58] slackytude: scaling back on the off-shoring dramatically, too [02:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:58] slackytude: so, I'm getting a landslide of maintenance development coming my way [02:58] rk4n3, whoa. is that good or bad? [02:59] maintenance usually sucks [02:59] slackytude: good in the sense that its more the kind of work I like, bad in the sense that it will come with alot of stress, too [02:59] Action: slackytude nods [02:59] slackytude: I'd rather be doing new development, but I'll take maintenance development over watching people from India screw it up [03:00] heh, I totally belive that [03:00] any reason for dumping contractors? Im guessing economy is pressing you guys? [03:01] yep - the company's very solid and in a strong position, but still has to be smart about expenses [03:01] Action: slackytude nods [03:01] btw, I am an indian ...and while I totally agree with you guys .. If you are blaming dumb indians or something don't! it is your dumb managers you should blame .. I realised that after seeing how the industry works [03:01] :D [03:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:01] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.144.73) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:01] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:02] duryodhan: while there are just as many smart Indians as any other nationality, its the inexperienced/unskilled that tend to be hired for penny-wages like the big corps are looking to save huge $ on the low wages [03:02] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [03:02] rk4n3, same here, actually. we stand pretty good in our small niche (sp?) but we notice the downtrend too [03:02] rk4n3: exactly ... [03:03] rk4n3: if you pay cheap amounts, you will get cheap work [03:03] duryodhan: so yeah, you're right - its the stupid managers [03:03] aint it always the stupid managers? [03:03] even worse .. the offshoring companies that do get contracts have to show that they have this huge workforce that can jump to the project .. [03:03] amen [03:04] in every part of the world it is the same, call them indians, pakis, turks or whatever... stupid management [03:04] those who manage, dont understand. Those who understand, dont manage [03:04] so most successful companies have around 25-30% of their workforce sitting around doing nothing [03:04] those who manage don't understand [03:04] imagine the kind of person who would agree to coming to his job daily and doign nothing [03:04] duryodhan: yeah, which is further incentive to make sure those people aren't the "choice" people [03:04] freebse, ? [03:04] exactly [03:05] duryodhan, I know people like that -_ [03:05] I am I am getting to work every day and get payed for nothing really :) but this sucks as well [03:05] the really stupid thing is that it wasn't hard to predict that with the huge inflow of cash, India was going to start wanting its own brightest/best, which means even less of them will need to work the sweat mill for pennies [03:05] freebse: how can you stand that ?!?! [03:06] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:06] *sigh* there it is again. Generic Host Process for Win32 Services. gotta reboot the machine again [03:06] rk4n3: but the simple point is .. in terms of pure numbers.. the world's young populace is in India [03:07] rk4n3: I am surrounded by miles and miles of cubes filled with @#@# [03:07] duryodhan: yeah, and other parts of asia too [03:07] naah .. in numbers only India [03:07] cos china has the 1 child rule [03:07] oh yeah, forgot about that [03:07] and other countries are too small in terms of the base population numbers [03:07] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:08] aha - that makes sense [03:08] this 1 child rule sounds like trouble [03:09] I think its kinda dumb [03:09] that too [03:09] no it ain't in a not-free country... it would not work over here or in the States [03:09] rk4n3: no.. you haven't seen what overpopulation does to a country [03:09] a culture can't let its population grow stale [03:10] rk4n3: it is happening in many european countries .. because of their culture [03:10] many countries have a negetive pop growth rate [03:10] true - its a bad thing [03:10] and I am pretty sure china's growth rate is still > USA's [03:10] no culture in history has ever recovered from a population growth rate less than 1.2 [03:10] yeah [03:10] all I am saying .. it is a VERY grey area [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] Europe is at like .8 now [03:10] I don't know any country in Europe going this way, they all have the problem of to few kids born [03:11] the flip side is ... with a high pop growth you have this huge HR [03:11] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Connection reset by peer [03:11] well, a culture which only gets one child per family and has a heavy preference for male children, will be in big trouble, too. [03:11] except when they all become gay [03:11] Australia you get paid everytime you have a kid [03:11] slackytude: the preference for males is the prob [03:12] Action: slackytude nods [03:12] duryodhan: what is the "HR" you're referring to ? [03:12] I don't think the 1 child thing is a huge problem .. may be 2 is a better number [03:12] rk4n3: I mean you have this huge pool of human resources [03:12] oh, right [03:12] slackytude: but that is there regardless of 1 child or not [03:12] but as a rule, I dont like socialistic interventions [03:12] slackytude: and as a thumb rule the problem is worsened as people get richer [03:12] :) [03:13] that is, I dont like rules, that try to shape or improve humanity in some abstract sense [03:13] slackytude: I don't either .. BUT I am seeing how pop. is just breaking my country's back [03:13] \me nods [03:13] Action: duryodhan nods [03:13] aha [03:13] Action: slackytude shrugs [03:14] in india .. the richest states have the worst female infanticide problem [03:14] which is kinda weird .. you would think that education would help but in many cases it makes things worse .. [03:14] how so? [03:14] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [03:14] "a little knowledge is dangerous" i guess [03:14] the poor people consider every child male/female a gift of god [03:14] depending on the education, it can desensitize [03:15] the rich people know that they can find out the sex and abort a female child [03:15] working compiz now , cool stuff , eye candy galore [03:15] dtanner: you will get tired soon [03:15] :) [03:15] duryodhan, when you say infanticide you include abortions? [03:15] yeah .. I didn't have the term for it [03:15] right [03:15] abortions + killing after birth [03:16] duryodhan: why tired? [03:16] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [03:17] the sex ratio in India is worst in the state which has the largest per capita income [03:17] dtanner: you will .. many before you have [03:17] :D [03:17] esp. if you like slackware over ubuntu [03:17] :D [03:17] lol [03:17] indians are hurting me :( [03:18] there are SO MANY indian freelancers [03:18] i cant seem to get work anymore lol [03:18] Action: duryodhan is going back to work [03:18] heh [03:19] there was an excursion to india planned, for which I signed on [03:19] while I agree that overpopulation is a problem wherever it exists, I don't think the right way to deal with it is to oppressively force limits on sexuality and reproduction ... there are other ways, I believe [03:19] and every1 one of them has better experience and skill [03:19] Action: duryodhan " In boxes made of ticky tacky and they all look just the same. " [03:19] than the other one :( [03:20] rk4n3, probably. like a honest-to-god war every four generations or so [03:20] rk4n3: yeah .. but I am saying your viewpoint is based on your experiences .. you really haven't seen how overpopulation totally destroys a country .. [03:20] seems simple enough, i enabled composite in xorg.conf then ran 'compiz --replace decoration wobbly fade minimize cube move place resize rotate scale switcher water zoom &' then you just use ctrl+alt+left/right/down arrow. done [03:20] rk4n3: I am not saying I agree with it .. I am just saying I can understand where they come from [03:20] rk4n3: and that it is not right for either of us to pass judgements [03:21] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] rk4n3: esp. if you are from a country with a -ve growth rate :P [03:22] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [03:23] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" 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[03:42] when I compile kernel 2.6.28, ld crashed with information that can`t recognize option --build-id [03:43] i`ve checked and it is not in ld [03:43] but it shouldn`t crashed with that [03:43] :/ [03:43] hiptobecubic: polish [03:43] :) [03:44] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:44] I won [03:44] wdmmyy (n=leaf@222.60.1.133) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:45] dissociative: hm ? [03:46] does it crashes when you are compiling [03:47] yes [03:47] in few last points [03:48] do you have the exactly error messages? [03:48] *exact [03:52] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:56] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:03] -christel- [Global Notice] Good Morning all, we'll be restarting two of our servers in about half an hour. niven (v4) and simak (v6) -- affected users are in the region of 2,000. We apologise for the inconvenience. Thank you for using freenode and have a good day! [04:03] * BP{k} has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [04:03] oh [04:04] oh [04:04] well that sucked. [04:05] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) got lost in the net-split. [04:05] briareus (n=briareus@ip68-98-232-105.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) joined ##slackware. [04:06] good morning all [04:07] dimmerbold, I couldn't mount the img even after sfdisk it is still giving me the same error and I figured out whats wrong the boot sector has a failiur [04:07] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] hiptobecubic: i'm all done murdering users! ;) [04:08] ddrescue gave me no errors but it is possible that it read it as it's written and just copied it [04:08] christel, :D Where were the street fires and riots? [04:08] hehe [04:08] so now I need to recover the boot sector in the img file [04:08] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [04:09] qneo (n=Miranda@adsl-dyn31.91-127-36.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:09] no idea how and need it for today cause i was sick yasterday and still am :( if u or any one else has any ideas I'm all ears [04:10] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:11] leaf__ (n=leaf@222.60.1.133) left irc: "Leaving" [04:14] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [04:16] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [04:16] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. 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[04:54] why would he need to compile php? its in slack. and Im pretty sure he means compile, not runtume [04:54] slackboy, the server is on production, its apache 1. [04:54] h8R, what runs on the server? which slack version? [04:55] slackytude, 11.0 [04:55] h8R: point being you're not compiling php itself are you? you're debugging a php app [04:55] i'm compiling it myself [04:55] the problem is that the server is productional [04:55] with apache1, and php5 [04:55] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.190.22) joined ##slackware. [04:55] wtf? [04:56] configure says..... [04:56] slackytude: my bad [04:56] The Purple 8 Ball says: Certainly [04:56] I didn't touch anything, but GD started giving errors [04:56] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.190.31) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:56] ouch [04:57] h8R, well, why not get php binary package frim slack= [04:57] try starting with the slackbuild and src that come with your version of slack if you need to recompile [04:57] and why is it apache 1? slack 11 came with 2, afaik [04:57] slackytude, well its very old server.. [04:57] slack 11 aint that old [04:57] cat /etc/slackware-version says its 11.0, but i'm not sure [04:58] slackytude: someone prolly put a1 on it for mod_perl1 or sthg daft [04:58] fun [04:58] uhm... [04:59] slackware 11.0 came with apache-1.3.37 [04:59] oh, alright [04:59] rully? [04:59] yahrly [04:59] thats l33t [04:59] heh [04:59] no shizzle [04:59] with 1.3.41 in patches. [05:00] But no-one ever upgrade because of the version number. [05:00] *upgraded [05:00] BP{k}, and php is 4, right? [05:00] so I compile php5 myself [05:00] h8R: perhaps time to use a maintenance cycle to upgrade :) [05:01] Zordrak, yeah this will be nice but I'm sure the server won't boot next time I reboot :D [05:01] ah, so you need php5? did it always run with php5? [05:01] h8R: orginal php-4.4.4 was provided. php-4.4.9 in patches [05:01] rather than go to trouble of manual compile of php5 [05:01] Zordrak, everything of compiling php5 is fine, except this jpeg support [05:01] phpinfo(); says its okay [05:02] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [05:02] but trying to create an jpeg keeps with that error gd-jpeg: JPEG library reports unrecoverable error: [05:02] one little loose thread.... go on.. pull on it! ;) [05:02] h8R: you tried upgrading libjpeg? [05:02] BP{k}, yep [05:02] gd too [05:02] :/ [05:02] thats not good [05:02] maybe this messed everything :D [05:03] you pulled the thrread [05:03] h8R: how did you upgrade things? [05:03] well, I upgraded libjpeg first, then GD and at last php [05:03] BP{k}, from source [05:03] h8R: did you remove the old packages? [05:03] well, I removed gd [05:04] but not libjpeg as I see in pkgtool [05:04] i'll start over [05:04] h8R: well if I were you.... [05:04] yes? [05:04] I'd migrate to a newer slack [05:05] but production stuff is always difficult [05:05] apart from ^^^^^. I would spend a bit time knowing how to build packages, how to use SlackBuild scripts, That way you can build packages you can use to upgrade your server instead of compiling stuff from source and installing it that way. [05:05] BP{k}, i will use this server only one month [05:05] but I have projects that need to run right now :/ [05:06] great ^-^ [05:06] h8R: I understand that it seems like a big undertaking and also how you want to know the solution, sometimes you have to cut your losses [05:06] i'm migrating to centos (because of the yum update) [05:06] okay. [05:06] i'll star all over again [05:06] libjpeg, then gd, then php [05:06] then rm -rf / [05:06] h8R: what if you waste your time starting from scratch and then hit the same problem? [05:06] :D [05:06] centos is that redhat fork? [05:07] slackytude: no [05:07] not fork [05:07] Zordrak, what is your proposition? [05:07] debian then? [05:07] Zordrak: then he hasn't learned anything ... ;) [05:07] slackytude: source-recompile after rebranding [05:08] Zordrak, thats what Id call a fork [05:08] h8R: I migrate machines FROM centos [05:08] fork tends to mean actual technical changes [05:08] Zordrak, to what? [05:08] as opposed to "rebranded so we can legally redistribute it for free" [05:09] slackytude: a fork is separate development starting from a -source clone at a specific point in time [05:09] generally [05:09] huh? so they dont change the source? whats the point then? [05:09] they do [05:09] but they dont update it [05:10] they just take updates from rhel and remove the branding again [05:10] oh well [05:10] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:10] doesnt sound like fun [05:10] they could delete *everything* [05:11] and lose nothing [05:11] cause they'd just clone and rebrand the latest rhel [05:11] it's not [05:11] just looked at website and it looks like debian, not rhel is the source [05:11] fyi [05:12] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [05:12] but it's a free way to run rhel if you *absolutely HAVE to* [05:12] slackytude: trust me... our production sims run on rhel & centos [05:12] Action: slackytude nods [05:13] working well? [05:13] been some years since I last looked at redhat [05:13] we *have* to for Cadence, Synopsys, DesignSync etc [05:13] Akkersson (n=Akkersso@79.116.76.82) joined ##slackware. [05:13] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@190.29.189.36) joined ##slackware. [05:13] *working* -- i wouldnt say well [05:13] heh [05:14] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [05:14] Akkersson (n=Akkersso@79.116.76.82) left irc: Client Quit [05:15] h8R: to slackware [05:15] Zordrak, slackware rlz [05:15] h8R: properly maintained slackware [05:15] but its not for a dumbs like me [05:15] :) [05:16] in 2 weeks the company's prod webserver gets upgraded from fedora core 5 to slack 12.2 [05:18] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!" [05:20] Zordrak, fun :) [05:21] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.190.22) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:21] slackytude: absolutely! [05:22] base memory tootprint going to drop by about 90% [05:22] s/tootprint/footprint/ [05:23] heh [05:26] Zordrak, slackytude BP{k} i've just recompiled gd [05:26] make install says: Libraries have been installed in: [05:26] /usr/local/lib [05:26] no --prefix, huh? [05:26] so I need to use this path when compiling php --with-gd=[DIR}, right? [05:27] should I use one? [05:27] and which dir should I use for slackware? [05:27] h8R: look at the slackbuild [05:28] well, it will work in /usr/local too, but, for slack, you usually use --prefix /usr [05:28] {for packages}* [05:28] oh how i love zsh [05:29] h8R: http://tinyurl.com/12-0php [05:30] h8R: thats the slackbuild for php in slack 12.0 for example [05:30] okay, thats valuable info [05:30] i'll try [05:30] mucho de coniguro [05:30] mucho de configuro [05:31] mucho trabajo, poco dinero :D [05:31] == life [05:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) joined ##slackware. [05:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.226) left irc: Client Quit [05:38] Support for JPEG library: no [05:38] blah [05:39] i count 38 miwutes you could have used on a slackware upgrade ;) [05:39] s/miwutes/minutes/ [05:40] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@213.137.110.67) joined ##slackware. [05:41] :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) [05:41] DOEN :) [05:41] I love linux I LOVE SLACKWARE [05:41] LESS [05:41] COFFEE [05:42] Zordrak, lol [05:42] Zordrak, if you help me I'll upgrade ;--) [05:42] _Gustavo_ (n=Gustavo@212.116.219.81) joined ##slackware. [05:42] but I'm scared to do it alone [05:43] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:44] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:46] well all I have to say is what ever you do, first make a backup [05:48] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [05:49] h8R: do you have physical access? [05:49] yes [05:50] then for 11.0 to 12.2 i reccomend putting in another HDD, installing on it and then copying configs from old HDD [05:50] MUCH cleaner than an in-place upgrade [05:50] yes, this is better. if I only can fix this :D [05:51] do you know how to activate snack? [05:53] tntslack: uhm what? [05:53] besides upgrading from 11.0 is a pain [05:54] i can't talk via microphone on skype, and on amsn... [05:55] tntslack: 1) have you configured your sound ? [05:56] every think works perfect [05:56] Action: BP{k} wonders if it is full moon somewhere. [05:57] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:57] only my jack mic in is not actually recognize... [05:57] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left ##slackware. [05:57] The Moon is Waning Gibbous (76% of Full) [05:58] The Moon will be Waxing Gibbous (99.999% of Full). (##slackware default Moon setting) [05:58] :P [05:58] BP{k}, pom got options? [05:58] slackytude: nah. [05:59] cheater! [05:59] well not true .. pom does have options. I just made as custom alias ... which seems fitting most of the time in here. [06:00] heh [06:00] thats fun [ in bed ] [06:04] besides you know how they react [06:04] "oh well that is not our fault (ie the callcenter), so no sense getting mad at us, because its soemone else who done it" [06:05] oh feck. [06:05] /me fails typing in the right window [06:06] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:07] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [06:08] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [06:08] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:08] anyone have any idea why all I get when i run dmesg is a very long list of "Too big adjustment 32 and hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5 [06:09] i can't even grep for anything [06:09] it's just many many lines of the usb thing and then quite a bit more about Too big adjustment [06:10] BP{k} done it... [06:10] needed to go in to alsamixer and config there by presin "m" in All [06:11] ..... [06:11] and thus the current ##slackware moon setting has been confirmed. :) [06:11] to unmunt loopback [06:12] anyone know why i'm getting that with dmesg? [06:14] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [06:18] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:19] mrselfpwn: anything that runs on that usb port? [06:20] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:20] not sure [06:20] how would i find out? [06:20] which it is talking about [06:22] mrselfpwn: sounds like an USB 2.0 Prob [06:22] mrselfpwn, is there anything on you usb hub ? [06:23] make lsusb see what are you running on [06:23] there is a compact flash card in the drive [06:23] in my card reader [06:23] rmmod ehci_hcd [06:23] i have something in every usb slot [06:24] see if this works in without 2.0 [06:24] ok [06:24] my usb drives disappeared and then came back [06:25] had simular problems on a t40 thinkpad on which USB 2.0 was broken [06:25] hm [06:25] i'm guessing it's my card reader [06:25] the problem is you can hardly use the device now, it is really fast :) [06:26] will the module reload upon reboot? [06:26] could also be the card reader, I used USB 2.0 with my MMS and an external HD is not working in this mode since I got it [06:26] ahh [06:26] no, you need to reenter [06:26] i also have an external hooked up [06:27] same probs I got [06:27] pip (n=Ser@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [06:27] if you enter the device in blavklist it will [06:27] lol, i'm trying to grep dmesg for another problem and run into this one [06:27] check your logs more often [06:27] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@121.232.8.102) joined ##slackware. [06:27] good idea [06:27] Action: slackytude nods [06:28] I found out that in my case, the thinkpad USB devices where broken [06:28] a common fault for 8y old computers [06:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:28] 8y aint bad [06:28] heh [06:29] the thinkpad USB ports get broken in nearly every Thinkpad after a few years [06:30] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@213.137.110.67) left irc: "Java user signed off" [06:30] is "Too big adjustment 32" also due to the usb issue? [06:30] Action: slackytude is gonna DROP the production DB [06:31] lol learning subnetting for the 367 time in university right now, sucks :) [06:31] lol [06:31] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.64.212) joined ##slackware. [06:32] but it is allright, MCITP, I allready done Windows Mail Configuration the whole morning :) [06:32] like click here and there, and where to click to change this and that setting [06:32] lol [06:32] this can also be realted to the USB 2.0 prob [06:32] yep [06:32] so I am reading [06:33] someone else had the same problem with an external 2.5'' usb hdd [06:33] Break time :) thx a lot [06:33] like I said I got, besides this is a common problem [06:33] ok [06:34] thx so much for the help [06:34] steerpike (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:34] I was bored anyway [06:34] and at work? [06:34] Slacker [06:34] just keep all questions in mind, I will solve them all after lunch, I hate subnetting and dudes asking dumb questions in class :) [06:35] lol [06:35] ah, you are in class now [06:35] heheh [06:35] na University and Microsoft Certification [06:35] ya [06:35] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [06:35] it sucks so big time, whoever done MCSE or other crap knows [06:35] i might get it [06:36] ok lunch time, need to smoke a fag... brb after that [06:36] ok [06:36] same, gonna reboot [06:37] Yeah [06:37] looks like new DB works fine [06:37] go me! [06:37] MCSE can stop you getting jobs [06:37] at loeast it can in UK [06:38] it can also help get you jobs [06:38] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-139-124.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:38] baaaad jobs [06:38] jobs, you wouldnt want in the first place, tho [06:38] heh, yeah [06:38] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [06:39] whoaa, its IT_ADMIN [06:39] morning [06:39] hi the latest slackware ver. is 2.6 kernel..ver. [06:40] 2.6.27.7 [06:40] morning nachox [06:40] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [06:40] th3nux3r (n=th3nux3r@202.150.88.155) left irc: "Leaving" [06:43] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Zordrak, MSCE.... why is that? [06:47] sniper_wolf (i=chrisjom@122.55.113.139) joined ##slackware. [06:47] will the compiz in the fresh install of slack 12.2 work already? [06:48] personally i'd go for the compiz-fusion route. [06:48] Action: slackytude nods [06:48] ld: unrecognized option '--build-id' [06:48] ld: use the --help option for usage information [06:48] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:50] ok thanks for the advice man... [06:51] I believe compiz-fusion build is all at slacbuild.org thanks man [06:52] yeah along with it dependencies, make sure you install in the order stated and you wont go far wrong. [06:52] ok man... [06:52] thanks [06:52] kama (n=kama@87.19.135.71) joined ##slackware. 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[06:54] jonsmith1982: because it shows that you feel you needed to waste time and money getting certified to do something many 15 year olds are capable of [06:56] Zordrak, in regards to my LDAP addressbook. it totally sucks with outlook [06:56] Outlook is the suck [06:56] Action: slackytude nods [06:57] I knew there was a catch [06:57] its fine with thunderbird, tho [06:57] Im bugging the win admin to get something like that for MS [06:57] for outlook to work prfectly you'll have to jump through all kinds of hoops [06:57] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [06:57] really? I dont think there is a way at all with openldap [06:58] as you need to support a MS extension called VLV, afaik [06:58] anyway, win admin dude is gonna try out some Exchange server stuff, but for that he needs to install IIS [06:59] which might break our apache [06:59] Zordrak, can you recomment hosting panel, alternative to cpanel, suitable with slackware? [06:59] recommend* [07:00] h8R: vim [07:00] hi again :) [07:00] :D [07:01] Zordrak, is it userfriendly :D [07:01] Zordrak, u r so bofh :D :D [07:01] thats not bofh at all [07:01] I know some and Zordrak doesnt even come close [07:01] Dotplom (n=chatzill@host-84-221-68-141.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [07:02] hello i m in a remote console and i would like to awake the monitor in power safe [07:02] slackytude, u mean urself ? :) [07:02] is there a command to awake the monitor i cannot press the keyboaurd [07:02] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [07:02] h8R, nah, not me :D [07:03] xset dpms force on [07:03] I think [07:03] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=imarambi@200.68.83.121: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent people | http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: bind, openssl, ntp [07:03] oy! bind, openssl and ntp O_o [07:04] god openssl sucks there is not a month we dont get a security fix for it... [07:05] it would suck even worse if we *didn't* get security fixes... [07:05] Dotplom (n=chatzill@host-84-221-68-141.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: Client Quit [07:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:09] nachox, which is the latest version? [07:10] h8R: openssl-0.9.8i-i486-2_slack12.2 [07:10] BP{k}, i got 0.98.g, for my slack :/ [07:10] am I vulnerable? [07:11] h8R: well since you dont keep up with security patches. [07:11] i'll be a bofh, i'll stol apache's ssl :D [07:11] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] stop* [07:12] ... [07:12] paissad (n=paissad@182.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:12] hi everybody [07:12] h8R: reacting without clue is about as bad as not reaction or worse. [07:12] does someone already install ImageMagick ? [07:13] h8R: there are security packages for 11.0 .. including openssl. [07:13] paissad: yes. /var/log/packages/imagemagick-6.4.3_10-i486-1 [07:13] BP{k}, i'm busy recompiling php + gd + jpeg :D so ssl isn't my priority :D [07:14] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-139-124.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:14] BP{k}, in fact i'm looking for a good tutorial how to keep my slackware current [07:14] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-139-124.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:14] upgrading is tabu here [07:14] h8R: upgradepkg(7) [07:14] http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/graphics/011109_hacking_your_brain/ [07:14] BP{k}, i tried to make my own package, but i got this error for make install step [07:14] frack. upgradepkg(8) [07:14] someone help me find an mp3 of static [07:14] magick/fx.c: In function ‘ApplyEvaluateOperator’: [07:14] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:14] magick/fx.c:1193: erreur: opérandes invalides pour le binaire % [07:14] make[1]: *** [magick/magick_libMagickCore_la-fx.lo] Erreur 1 [07:15] paissad: why? [07:15] h8R: I thought you were going to switch to CentOS anyway [07:15] BP{k}, u've changed my mind [07:15] :) [07:16] BP{k}, it's quite bizarre because the ./configure step succeeded with no warnings ! [07:16] BP{k}: ello [07:16] paissad, a paste of the build process is helpful [07:16] slackytude, ok [07:17] lw0x15: Morning. [07:17] or I think it's morning. or something. [07:17] ;P [07:17] i am off to college :( [07:17] going to do "practical" today installing winXP [07:18] O_o [07:18] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:18] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [07:18] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left ##slackware. [07:19] lw0x15: remember the first step!! [07:19] *- remove XP CD, and install slackware :) [07:19] xD [07:19] yeah ill bring live Cd and boot it [07:19] and ill be like "miss, what happened" [07:19] hehe [07:19] here is the buidl process http://pastebin.ca/1309090 [07:21] right, I am out for a couple of hours. Have fun kids [07:21] see ya BP{k} [07:22] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91F91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:23] paissad, which slackware version and gcc version? [07:24] slackboy, slackware 12.2 et gcc-4.2.4 [07:24] COME OONNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [07:24] slackboy, here is the ./configure output http://pastebin.ca/1309093 [07:24] Action: Zordrak just got a *serious* pay rise!! [07:24] Action: Zordrak is BOUNCING!! [07:25] 07:22 someone help me find an mp3 of static [07:25] that's just the sweetener before they fire you next week [07:26] try grabbing a few megs of /dev/urandom, pass it to lame as cdda audio [07:26] cool ideae [07:26] back [07:26] the company cant function without me atm -- if company is still in business, they still need me [07:27] Gargantua_: actually it works pretty well [07:27] dd if=/dev/urandom of=static.cdda bs=1M count=1 [07:27] lame static.cdda static.mp3 [07:28] mpg123 static.mp3 # sounds like white noise to me! [07:28] dTd (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [07:28] dTd (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] steerpike (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] also cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp is nice [07:29] slackytude, maybe i should try with another version !? [07:29] audio fork bomb could made out of that one [07:29] dive: I used to like to pipe tcpdump to /dev/dsp [07:29] dive: last time i tried that it didnt work [07:29] Action: slackytude shrugs [07:29] works here still [07:29] paissad, I see no obvious error or misconfiguration. looks like it should work [07:30] paissad, do you usually compile stuff on this machine? [07:30] slackytude, excuse me , i don't speak english very well, ........ what do you mean with "stuff" ? [07:31] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] slackytude, i use to compile and create my own packages ........; i did several times [07:31] +it [07:31] paissad, so, imagekick is the first compile to break? [07:31] slackytude, yes [07:32] slackytude, it seems that there's an error in on library of the source ! [07:32] magick/fx.c: In function ‘ApplyEvaluateOperator’: [07:32] magick/fx.c:1193: erreur: opérandes invalides pour le binaire % [07:32] make[1]: *** [magick/magick_libMagickCore_la-fx.lo] Erreur 1 [07:33] paissad: what does that error message say, in English? [07:33] thanks Urchlay [07:33] invalid operands for binary %? [07:33] lol, right [07:33] exactly ! [07:33] paissad, it might need a newer version of a library, yes, but thats just guessing [07:34] which version of imagemagick is this again? [07:34] the latest in the official site, 6.4.8.5 [07:35] for those of you who already installed it, .......... which version is it ? [07:36] paissad: yes. /var/log/packages/imagemagick-6.4.3_10-i486-1 [07:36] I wonder what new features microsoft is going to claim w7 has over vista. [07:36] I've got a stock slack 12.2 install, it's got imagemagick 6.4.3_10 [07:36] Gargantua_, fancy new UI [07:36] other than that? [07:36] oh and by fancy new ui you mean fancy new taskbar [07:36] slackytude, Urchlay ok, i try with this version ! [07:36] its supposed to have a better kernel [07:37] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:38] paissad: you just did a plain ./configure, or were there options? Going to try to compile it on my laptop [07:38] freebse2 (n=freebse@a89-183-22-94.net-htp.de) joined ##slackware. [07:38] yes I am that bored :) [07:38] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] zer0vette (n=kvirc@205.142.112.217) joined ##slackware. [07:39] morning [07:39] dTd (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [07:39] i just installed 12.2 fresh and for some reason when i do 'reboot' or shutdown -r, my the PC powers off [07:40] any ideas why this would happen? [07:40] dTd (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:40] bad/flaky ACPI? [07:40] Urchlay, i dit with option first .... and a simple ./configure after ! [07:40] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:41] zer0vette: try booting with noacpi on the kernel command line? [07:41] ahh ok. ill try that [07:41] if that fixes it, add it to your /etc/lilo.conf [07:41] yah [07:41] have to wait till i get home now, since i didn't realize it till i got to work :( [07:41] thanks [07:41] Urchlay, ok ......... what's really acpi , noacpi [07:41] dont thank me yet, I'm taking a wild guess :) [07:42] lol. [07:42] steerpike (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=ACPI [07:42] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.195.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:43] noacpi forces the kernel to use the older apm iirc [07:43] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.64.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:43] which is not really something I would recommend unless you have no chance [07:43] linux support for acpi etc. is pretty sucky [07:43] windows vista supports ACPI only .. no apm [07:44] steerpike (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] actually from what I've read it's because most vendors don't implement ACPI to spec [07:44] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) joined ##slackware. [07:45] in the windows world, the vendor gets to provide the windows driver(s), so they don't really have to follow the ACPI spec too closely [07:45] Urchlay: thats always the case for linux everything ... [07:45] doesn't really solve my problem [07:45] :) [07:45] yah. Well, having a problem & understanding why you have it, is marginally better than having a problem and being completely lost :) [07:49] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:49] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [07:50] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:51] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:52] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-66-92-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:53] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:53] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-155-51-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Stx_ (n=d9ae413e@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [07:54] dTd (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [07:55] dTd (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:55] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:55] paissad: so your version of imagemagick does compile OK on gcc 4.2.3, still waiting for the 4.2.4 compile to finish [07:55] (that's gcc 4.2.3 on slamd64 12.1, not slackware) [07:55] wow! you really are jobless [07:55] eh, no, I really am bored [07:55] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.221.196) joined ##slackware. [07:55] freebse (n=freebse@a89-183-22-94.net-htp.de) left irc: Connection timed out [07:56] I have a job, and it's boring [07:57] thats usually the case [07:57] it's 8AM, I've been writing crappy PHP code all night, pretty much anything else is more interesting right now [07:57] heh [07:57] Im printing customer data sheets [07:57] 340 pages [07:57] not TPS reports? [07:58] Action: Urchlay misses the grinding whine of high-speed dot-matrix printers [07:58] freebse2 (n=freebse@a89-183-22-94.net-htp.de) left irc: Connection timed out [07:58] odd how nostalgia works, I used to hate that noise when I had to listen to it regularly... [07:58] slackboy, Urchlay i removed all the files, i re-extracted the source, i juste re-do ./configure && make install DESTDIR=**** [07:58] steerpike (n=Unknown@pool-173-77-33-63.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [07:58] slackytude, Urchlay and it works nice [07:59] but no option ! [07:59] whatever you're compiling on is obviously much faster than my 2002 laptop :) [07:59] lol [07:59] what option(s) did you give it, the first time around? [08:00] ./configure --with-quantum-depth=16 --with-fpx=yes --with-lqr=yes --with-jbig=yes --with-autotrace=yes --with-dps=yes --enable-hdri=yes [08:00] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:00] then you did a "make" and it failed? [08:00] yes ! [08:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:01] with no option, it succeeds [08:01] but, i'm goind to install it with options, before making the final tgz packages ! [08:02] if it bores me, i take it just like that [08:02] my wild guess is it's the --enable-lqr (based on the fact that the --help for that option says "experimental") [08:02] slackytude, Urchlay thanks for all ! [08:02] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:02] freebse (n=freebse@a89-183-22-94.net-htp.de) joined ##slackware. [08:02] ok [08:03] Urchlay, oh, i forget, why noacpi ? [08:03] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:03] paissad: that was for whoever was having the problem with rebooting, not for you :) [08:03] Urchlay, k [08:04] hm. Maybe I'm wrong. The line where you're getting the compile error actually reads: [08:04] result=(MagickRealType) ((long)(pixel+value) % (QuantumRange+1)); [08:04] Urchlay, you were reading the code ? [08:04] damn [08:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-95d28a5670c25981) joined ##slackware. [08:04] I did say I was bored... [08:04] in bed [08:05] heh [08:05] Urchlay, lol [08:06] wotcha (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:06] hey, imagemagick is on slackware by default ! [08:06] wtf [08:06] wotcha (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) left ##slackware. [08:06] er, yeah [08:06] there's a default? [08:06] that's what someone-or-another told you like 2 hours ago :) [08:07] Urchlay, i thought that he installed it by his own ! [08:07] wotcha (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:07] wotcha (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [08:07] I just assumed you had a reason for wanting an imagemagick package with weird configure options [08:07] ah, sorry, I said this: [08:07] Urchlay, yes, why not [08:07] 07:43 I've got a stock slack 12.2 install, it's got imagemagick 6.4.3_10 [08:08] no matter ! [08:08] that's maybe too colloquial.. "stock" means "out of the box" or "default" there [08:08] like, I did an "install everything" and that's what I ended up with [08:08] (and then I didn't do anything else to it, like install 3rd party packages) [08:09] i don't speak english very well, i juste manage myself, and sometimes, it even arrives i understand things otherwise ! [08:09] worst thing [08:09] yeah... sorry [08:09] _Gustavo_ (n=Gustavo@212.116.219.81) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:10] erreur... think I'm going to start saying that [08:10] (to people who don't speak French) [08:11] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [08:12] at least I could figure out what your compiler error means... tried to help a German with a problem like that, got hopelessly confused [08:12] nein spriche deutsche [08:12] looooool [08:12] Urchlay, just a page with customer info [08:13] i knew that you shoud understand erreur -> error , invalide -> invalid and so on ! [08:13] Urchlay, had to write a script that queries the database, change database sort order, have it dump to a txt file and read in by word and VB makros, so it was kinda fun [08:13] dorayakikun1 (i=1000@114.58.215.63) joined ##slackware. [08:13] and now it happily prints :D [08:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.120) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Action: slackytude is german [08:14] ^-^ [08:14] oh you're german ! [08:14] nein [08:14] Action: slackytude nods [08:15] guten tag [08:15] bon jour [08:15] yeah [08:15] ich bin nicht [08:15] actually, i'am senegalese ! [08:15] straterra, bin ich nicht ^-^ [08:15] but i suppose that no one does speak wolof ! [08:16] am i wrong ? [08:16] no i dont ! [08:16] i speak wolof, french, english and a little spanish, [08:17] tu madre es mi puta :P [08:17] kidding..kidding [08:17] straterra, héééééééééééééééééé [08:18] straterra, tu madre me cago , :) [08:18] hablo un poco espanol, pero pienso que puedo comprender cosas [08:19] :) [08:19] next , [08:20] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-139-124.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [08:20] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:20] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:22] soy puta de slackware :D [08:23] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:28] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.195.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:28] ehh [08:28] I started some kinda foreign language trend? sorry... [08:28] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.221.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:29] mi espanol es muy malo [08:29] what... is "wolof"? [08:30] hm. Interesting. Language I never even heard of [08:30] tell me how to say something dirty in it :) [08:32] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [08:32] Urchlay, wolof is national language of Senegal ! [08:32] yah, reading wikipedia article on it :) [08:33] the word for 10 is "fukk"... is that pronounced how I think it is? [08:33] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [08:34] Urchlay, no ! [08:34] lol [08:34] Urchlay, you must pronounce like shoot , foot, etc .... [08:34] "oo" [08:34] you see what i mean !? [08:36] so like the Irish pronunciation [08:36] "fook" [08:36] Urchlay, i don't know anything about irish, but i guess that it's that ! [08:37] in the dialect of English I speak, "shoot" and "foot" have different vowel sounds [08:37] but I think I understand you [08:37] Urchlay, ok [08:38] I like how ##slackware has a tendancy to become ##languages ;p [08:39] everytime I need a klingon translation, I come here [08:39] hehheh [08:40] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:40] I actually know a guy who set up an xterm to use a klingon font, so he could (try to) write code in whatever-it's-called, the klingon programming language [08:40] I think maybe he got as far as "hello world" [08:40] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:41] reminds me learning klingon has been on my todo list for ages ;p [08:41] ...this is the same guy who wrote a serious-looking proposal to add a Unicode character for the weird little symbol that means "the artist formerly known as Prince" [08:41] strange dude [08:42] he should come here [08:43] well, unicode has so many weird characters (the snowman for instance ;) ) [08:43] maybe he's already here, maybe he's slackboy ! :D [08:46] actually he lives in the room across the hall from me, so I'm pretty sure he's not in here... [08:47] he should definitely come, this channel needs more "normal" people :p [08:47] hehheh [08:48] heh [08:48] Action: slackytude starts to code something in pyqt [08:48] diabolix (n=jsoyke@c-67-165-58-144.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] godmachine81 (n=g0d@173-16-101-38.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:55] gah [08:55] Action: Camarade_Tux really, really, really dislikes python [08:55] got a customer :( [08:55] hehe :p [08:55] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [08:56] thats because you have no taste :P [08:57] you probably like emacs, too [08:57] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Hi all. [08:58] Camarade_Tux: You are not alone [08:58] O_o [08:58] I'm trying to get libccrtp1 (slackware package) to make Twinkle work. Anybody knows of a slackbuild for that one? Otherwise, I'll use src2pkg... [08:59] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Gameover" [09:00] hey guys, i 'am a beginner with linux (just 2 months) and i was trying to make a script for the halt , i put it into /etc/rc0.d [09:00] #! /bin/sh [09:00] echo" ****************************************" [09:00] Channel flood from paissad -- kicking [09:00] echo" * *" [09:00] echo" * Stopping SLACKWARE 12.2 *" [09:00] paissad kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:01] and irc apparently [09:01] eh [09:01] paissad (n=paissad@182.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Or, obviously, compile libccrtp1 from source... [09:01] actually I don't like how python is used for big projects, python is not really reliable (it's very easy to have an error that will only pop up at runtime, after weeks of execution) and I don't like how python programmers don't stop *blindly* praising python [09:02] paissad, on slackware, see /etc/rc.d/rc.0, nor /etc/rc0.d [09:02] *not [09:02] the fanbois are the most annoying part for me [09:02] and i did also chmod +x /etc/rc0.d/stop-message [09:02] ganeshix, slackbuilds.org has one [09:02] bah [09:02] paissad: Why are you trying to use a script for halt? [09:03] paissad: woudl be easier if you explained to us what you were trying to do before telling us what our problem is [09:03] actually I think that fanboys account for 90% of why I don't like python ;p [09:03] Dominian, just un script which prints a message when shutting down the system ! [09:03] s/un/a/ ;p [09:04] paissad, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.0 ;p [09:04] paissad: uhhh [09:04] paissad: "halt" or "shutdown -h now" or "init 0" does that already [09:04] paissad: http://slackbook.org/html/system-configuration.html#SYSTEM-CONFIGURATION-RCD [09:05] Camarade_Tux, thanks a lot. [09:06] R0N (n=root@88.159.229.148) joined ##slackware. [09:06] cd /join #kernel [09:07] ... [09:07] hello [09:07] sorry, wrong vt [09:07] ganeshix, you're welcome :) [09:07] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-70-42.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:07] R0N, hehe ;p [09:07] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:07] I have a question about my updated kernel [09:08] I just installed slackware 12 on my notebook, and yesterday I installed a new kernel [09:08] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:08] But now I see that in /etc/rd.c my modules.dep is still the same as the one shipped with the original installation [09:09] So it doesn't modprobe the new modules that I built, and cant find the old ones anymore. [09:09] allend (n=allend@124-168-125-241.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Is there a way to generate a new rc.modules for my new kernel ? [09:10] dorayakikun1 (i=1000@114.58.215.63) left irc: "Leaving." [09:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:10] bm (i=c87faebc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ef9489dfdab39780) joined ##slackware. [09:11] R0N, sure [09:12] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062184194.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:12] I allready searched the harddrive if theres maybe a new one generated somewhere, but I found nothing. [09:14] and in the kernel source tree: make modules_install [09:14] installs the modules, but does't update the rc.d [09:14] how do you suppose is the best way to update the rc.modules then slackytude ? [09:15] rc.modules.local is good for local [09:16] theres only one actual rc.modules in my /rc.d [09:16] and two symlinks pointing to it [09:16] o.O [09:16] keep in mind that it looks for rc.modules rc.modules.local etc.. and if it finds one.. it will use just that one.. so if you use rc.modules.local.. make sure you have all the modules you need to get your kernel functioning properly [09:17] my first question would be, are you running the new kernel? [09:17] well, it does find the rc.modules when entering runlevel 3 [09:17] yes [09:17] the kernel works [09:17] but rc.modules modprobes the old modules [09:17] some of them are removed [09:18] I build the new kernel for intel i915 dri support [09:18] rc.modules will load modules built for the current running kernel, it's not version explicit [09:18] R0N: you need to update the symlink. i assume you updated from 12.1 -> 12.2 ? [09:18] and also some modules for that [09:18] I downloaded the kernel from kernel.org and compiled it using make menuconfig [09:19] ok, but rc.modules is part od slackwares init, not something supplied by the kernel [09:19] so, you must either edit it, or create a new one [09:20] or, simply add some modprobe commands in rc.local [09:20] just hack the file [09:20] R0N: what does "ls -dl /etc/rc.d/rc.modules" say ? [09:20] R0N, I don't understand : not having an up-to-date rc.modules is a real problem for you ? most systems don't need one : "On systems using KMOD and hotplug or udev this file should remain mostly commented out." [09:21] is there a way to fix line wrapping in xfce's terminal (i'm not sure if it's restricted to this only but it's the only place i've encountered it so far). for example, "[nagato@hinamizawa ~]$ ls -l /windows/Program\ Files/07th_Expansion/Umineko4" comes out as "mineko4/hinamizawa ~]$ ls -l /windows/Program\ Files/07th_Expansion/U" [09:21] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [09:21] freebse (n=freebse@a89-183-22-94.net-htp.de) left irc: Client Quit [09:22] pip (n=Ser@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Thanks all" [09:23] isn't that what you'd expect to happen? [09:23] udev thats for xorg right ? [09:23] Karls (i=lib04a@119.11.8.23) joined ##slackware. [09:23] err [09:23] I head slackware is for the hardcore [09:23] s/head/heard [09:24] is this true? [09:24] dTd: yes, that's what i'd expect to see. but what happens is it wraps instead [09:24] yes [09:24] You head right. =) [09:24] yes [09:24] No [09:24] hehe [09:24] Karls: yeah .. I watch all my soft porn on ubuntu [09:24] straterra: Gentoo user. [09:24] ubuntu seems feminine and 'inclusive'. I don't like inclusive. [09:24] blfs is fun also [09:24] I want to compile everything from source, preferably writing it from source. [09:25] Minagi: eh? you're using line break as in "/" [09:25] fedora core ! [09:25] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-166-101.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Karls: lfs [09:25] nono, it's the terminal window size that should be causing the line break [09:25] Every time I compile I want library errors [09:25] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@190.29.189.36) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:25] you 'want' library errors ? [09:25] that's just where the line break should occur [09:25] I see [09:26] I was version mismatches and bad links against static libs [09:26] s/was/want [09:26] and I want it now [09:26] R0N yes. Ubuntu is too soft core. [09:26] Karls: you wont find it here [09:26] I miss the old days. [09:26] What is the slackware package manager? [09:26] when linux fitted on four floppys ? [09:26] Karls: o.O [09:26] pkgotols [09:26] pkgtools [09:26] *pkgtools [09:26] Karls: if you want broken use gentoo [09:26] or before the floppies ? [09:26] Dominian: JINX [09:26] fred: can't jinx me when you screwed it up the first time! [09:27] I used to own an msx1 with tapes. [09:27] library errors = ubuntu [09:27] before floppies we wrote by hand [09:27] ;) [09:27] gentoo is gay core. Linux for people who really want FreeBSD but are too dumb to know that. [09:27] eh [09:27] Nothing wrong with Gentoo [09:27] Its just "different" [09:27] yup [09:27] Kind of like your mom workin' the corner... we don't hold that against you. [09:27] :) [09:27] listen to the Reverend [09:27] and once you go through all that huge amounts of compiling, you realise....why? [09:28] Dominian: there is if you're an idiot and attempt to source compile it all using your idiocy asa a template [09:28] slackware, installed ,running, configged, 15minutes, gentooo a week and still compiling [09:28] I just source compiled xorg from sources :) [09:28] source compiled from sources? [09:29] xorg, sorry [09:29] typo [09:29] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] dguitar (n=xxjx@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Zordrak: that would be called "Ubuntu" [09:30] How rude, to insult my mother like that. Is this indicative of the behaviour of slackware users? [09:30] :) [09:30] Karls: nope [09:30] Karls: just me [09:30] :) [09:31] Dominian ah excellent. [09:31] I, in no way, represent the Slackware community as a whole. [09:31] So where do I sign up? [09:31] Karls: download from your fvaorite mirror [09:31] Oh, and does Richard Stallman approve of slackware? [09:31] holly crap. i just typed 'man ls' on windows 7, and it actually did something other than command not found. [09:31] no [09:31] Karls, no. [09:31] Karls, who cares? [09:31] oh. [09:31] How about Theo de Raadt? [09:31] Patrick Volkerding does. [09:32] diabolix, he who doesnt understand unix has to copy it, badly [09:32] I don't about Theo but God does :) [09:32] jkwood he would [09:32] richard who? [09:32] and Techie Moe gave it an "almost good enough" last review. [09:32] Karls, probably, but he is too busy worrying about himself. [09:32] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.70.17) joined ##slackware. [09:32] oh no .. God? It's a religious, fundamentalist Christian distro? [09:32] I may pass [09:32] Heh... definitely not. [09:32] no it's a greko raman distro [09:32] roman* [09:32] not that God, he was referring to Bob [09:33] Karls: no.. this isn't Christian Edition of Ubuntu or anything like that [09:33] all hail Bob [09:33] Karls, no, God *is* Patrick Volkerding ;) [09:33] I distinctly read God. I do not think a distro which packages a mySQL database of the bible is to my tastes, thank you very much. [09:33] Oh. Ok then. [09:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius fwiw [09:34] Karls, it is tied to a religion in name only. 'slack' refers to a state that members of the church of the subgenius seek to attain. [09:34] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [09:34] What if I feel like recompiling my kernel while still realizing any custom kernel configuration will result in only negligible performance increases? [09:34] is that allowed on slackware? [09:34] yes. [09:34] Absolutely. [09:34] hmm, I'm sold. [09:35] You can even package your kernel using makepkg if you'd like. [09:35] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-139-124.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:35] I would say most recompile their kernels [09:35] Or create a script to do it for you. [09:35] While running the slackbuild for ccrtp, I'm getting an error message... [09:35] boo, scripting kernels = bad [09:35] /usr/include/cc++/config.h:1092:28: error: bits/atomicity.h: No such file or directory [09:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) joined ##slackware. [09:35] slackware is probably the easiest distro to recompile kernels on. there is nothing custom in a slackware kernel. [09:35] what if I don't feel like using a goddamn GUI to configure my network and just want to use a transparent aterm window with fluxbox issuing ifconfig and route commands? [09:36] that works [09:36] Can I do that in slackware? [09:36] sure [09:36] well, aterm sucks, but you of course can use it [09:36] Karls, you would be hard pressed to find the gui to configure your network. [09:36] yeah, eterm or xterm :D [09:36] fastest transparency performance aterm [09:36] eterm slow as molasses [09:36] you could use the KDE stuff, tho, think they work [09:36] xterm boring as batshit [09:36] diabolix: there is no probably about that one. [09:36] urxvt [09:36] urxvt is the future of course :> [09:36] mornin all. [09:36] aterm is tabbed as well [09:36] everything in fluxbox is tabbed :P [09:36] for those that it is morning, like myself. [09:37] everything in fluxbox rocks. hard. [09:37] agentc0re it's evening here you insensitive clod :( [09:37] almost tommorow [09:37] lol [09:37] Hey, at least you get to go to bed and not have to go into work for 8 or so more hours. [09:38] i like mrxvt. [09:38] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:38] talk about insensitive... [09:38] :D [09:38] And believe me, the future ain't all that different from the past [09:38] I made a new rc.modules [09:38] t0f (n=foo@wlbr-208-103-146-183.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] lets hope this one works [09:38] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [09:39] who said xterm is shit ? its fast and quick and I love it [09:39] in the future, chairs will become obsolete. beanbags will come back in a big way. [09:39] duryodhan I like transparency. It's my only concession to eye candy [09:39] paissad (n=paissad@182.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:40] if I dont use aterm I use xterm. Forgive me if i offended you. [09:40] i know how these things can be. [09:40] vim > emacs, etc. [09:40] exactly [09:40] religious wars [09:40] everybody already knows emacs is ridiculous. vim is easily the better, arguing doesn't change anythign. [09:40] Next! [09:40] when i was interviewing for my current job, they asked me which one of the two editors i use. [09:40] vim [09:41] now I have to recompile mesa, again [09:41] for the fourth time [09:41] i told the MSWord just to gauge their reaction. [09:41] diabolix: hahahah [09:41] they know if you've taken the time to become too proficient with emacs you are a time waster [09:41] diabolix: nice trick for the next time [09:42] diabolix heh you should have named a specific version of Word. "I prefer Word 3, build 2203. I use nothing else for my code" [09:42] Karls, lol [09:43] it would be funny if MS compilers could rip the raw text out of word files and compile it. imagine what a scarry world it could be if that where true. [09:43] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:43] then called him an insolent swine, slapped him in the face and got a job .NET coding front ends for handicapped people [09:43] that's what I do [09:43] finally mesa compiles with everything included [09:44] R0N: I think you're doing it wrong [tm] [09:44] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74dd45.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [09:44] diabolix you think I'm joking but I worked with a guy who occasionally coded in word [09:44] it disgusted me [09:44] Action: Camarade_Tux codes on punch cards [09:44] what am I doing wrong then ? [09:44] real men code in notepad [09:45] he would copy it, save it in notepad to get rid of the formatting, then check it [09:45] the insolent swine [09:45] I had to code in Word before ;/ [09:45] Action: alisonken1home still has 7-level punched tap [09:45] check it in [09:45] I tried to open your readme file, but it doesn't have an extension. What program do i need to use? [09:45] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [09:45] office vista :) [09:46] diabolix: use vim [09:46] don't give me this punch card baloney. I worked on the babbage machine. Me and Ada were tight. [09:46] Code reviews were a bitch though [09:46] i use ada. [09:46] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) joined ##slackware. [09:46] the language, not the person. [09:46] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:46] we touched on it last semester. I almost slapped someone at first, but then got the idea. [09:46] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) joined ##slackware. [09:47] haskell too [09:47] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:47] ada is like an object oriented language without objects. [09:47] I once made a start of a verry simple text editor in C [09:47] diabolix wow, my professor would have slapped your face for saying that [09:47] if those dudes slapped [09:48] you could enter anything you want, but there was no support for backspace and cursorkeys [09:48] straterra, O_o [09:48] poor guy [09:48] if you hit ctrl+d it saved the file [09:48] its hard to appreciate how much work goes into a good editor until you try to write one yourself. [09:48] diabolix heh yeah. Everybody tries one at some stage then realizes it isn't as easy as you think [09:48] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-33.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:48] you only have to make zero type errors, because you couldn't correct [09:49] R0N, that editor is already installed on your system. [09:49] lots of pointers and memory management needed. Unless like some vile cur you code with .NET [09:49] but it was fun, because for every character you entered it allocated one more byte of memory [09:49] What does '/usr/include/cc++' contain? [09:49] cc++ ? [09:50] ganeshix are you scared to look? [09:50] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [09:50] I'm looking... I just would like to understand it. [09:50] it can be frightening the first time. But remember, the STL is your friend [09:50] c++ contains the c++ implementation [09:50] STD's ARE your friend [09:50] actually, the STL hates you like a redheaded step child [09:50] if you #include in a c program, you can use C++ functioncalls [09:51] if I'm right [09:51] close enough pappy [09:51] ganeshix, it contains the c++ parts provided by the system for your applications [09:51] if he has to ask, he doesn't need to know [09:51] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:51] sort of [09:51] Mad_Dud (i=1000@c108-226.icpnet.pl) left irc: "changing servers" [09:51] just look at the file, it becomes apparant quickly [09:51] Thank you... I'm getting the picture now. [09:51] paissad (n=paissad@182.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] look! Now! [09:51] Mad_Dud (i=1000@c108-226.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) joined ##slackware. [09:52] you would think that since MS has a new shell now, they would write a terminal emulator that can resize horizontally. [09:52] powershell can do that, afaik [09:53] you can, just not easily or default install [09:53] I see.. Standard Template Library [09:53] slackytude, no, it can't. [09:53] O_o [09:54] slackytude, i'm futzing with win7 in a vm right now. [09:54] got it in a vm too [09:54] kinda slow [09:54] I'm going to run it right on the metal. I don't need your stinking VMs [09:55] i don't trust MS oses on hardware. [09:55] esom (i=esom@58.47.108.90) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Action: Karls backs away slowly, avoiding eye contact [09:56] especially since they tend to slow down over time for no reason. i just need windows for testing stuff that i've already written. [09:56] vmware has snapshots, so i can easily roll back to a stock install and test installers and whatnot. [09:56] you test yourself? How droll. [09:56] i actually installed slackware over my windows 7 install (free partition so i went for it) [09:56] Action: Camarade_Tux developps on linux software that he'll run on windows later [09:56] anyway I ran it for a day then couldn't be bothered even installing it in a VM [09:57] I'm having problems installing ccrtp [09:57] boring [09:57] "/usr/include/cc++/config.h:1092:28: error: bits/atomicity.h: No such file or directory" [09:57] How can that be? [09:57] I have slack 12.1 [09:58] what? [09:58] what does slack 12.1 have anything to do with installing something that isn't in the distro by default? [09:58] Camarade_Tux, same here [09:59] ganeshix you are missing the bits/atomicity.h file. I presume it is included in some package. Most likely pornobiographical in nature. [10:00] ganeshix: what are you trying to compile ? [10:00] slackytude, the problem is I need to cross-compile but don't have the cross-compiler yet >< [10:00] Camarade_Tux, for c++? or ocalm? [10:00] thrice`, ccrtp [10:00] You might as well just dev on windows, unless it is totally cross platform code. [10:01] I need it for Twinkle. [10:01] I installed all the deps. This is the only one missing. [10:01] For anything substantial in networking you need to do it 'the windows way' [10:01] as with asynchonous I/O [10:01] Camarade_Tux, mozilla has a pretty good guide for compiling a windows cross-compiler. [10:01] even using boost [10:01] slackytude, ocaml, the cross-compiler to windows was not available (ocaml would run a few freshly-compiled programs and would fail), now that it is available, I'm too lazy to install it ;p [10:02] Should I upgrade something to have this 'atomicity' file? [10:02] I dont want to break my system [10:02] Camarade_Tux, your own fault then :P [10:02] but I'll do this week-end, I'll cross-compile it using mingw-w64 ! \o/ [10:02] And even if you are using QT developing on linux for windows GUI is problematic [10:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:02] got windows 64? [10:02] makes me feel sick [10:02] Karls, really? works for me [10:02] diabolix, actually I've already successfully compiled to win32, and a big project : webkit-gtk ;) [10:02] besides the pale imitation of POSIX [10:03] it would help if qt on windows didn't use MS dev tools. [10:03] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:03] slackytude, an XP64 DVD MS sent me is just next to me and I have win7 64 bits [10:03] some other question [10:03] diabolix, huh? [10:03] Camarade_Tux, I see [10:04] gtk? [10:04] gtk!!!!! [10:04] put it down!!!! [10:04] can it be that if I set the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH that it conflicts with something else ? [10:04] qt baby, all the way [10:04] slackytude, using the MS c++ compiler sucks. if you depend on external libraries that have already been built in gcc, debugging is a nightmare. [10:04] (yeah, testing an experimental cross-compiler on 64bits on windows, using a beta cross-compiler and a beta OS is really calling for troubles ;p ) [10:04] because if I do that, I get all segmentation faults with everithing I do [10:04] t0f (n=foo@wlbr-208-103-146-183.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:04] diabolix, true enough but qt comes with mingw, afaik [10:04] slackytude, I had the xp64 dvd^W cd with toolstore, a while ago ;) [10:04] diabolix that's only the start of the problems, pappy [10:04] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [10:05] slackytude, we build the comercial version. If I can use mingw you just made me very happy. [10:06] diabolix, I think you can, their headers are in PD for that reason I think [10:06] There is no shame in developing on windows when you are writing for windows. There is no shame in making portable code by writing code for each platform. There may be shame in developing for windows in the first place, but that is a personal call. [10:06] diabolix, huh? sure you can. I just got the opensource version and that only works with mingw. the installer even sets it up for you [10:06] diabolix, well , you can get qt opensource to work with VC++ but only with pain [10:06] slackytude, try /join ##mingw, ask, and waaaaaiiiiiit for a loooooooong time [10:06] esom (i=esom@58.47.108.90) left irc: "Leaving" [10:07] Im just installing QT4 opensource + mingw + eclipse + PyQt up [10:07] first that was for diabolix and second, I had misread, ignore my two messages [10:07] for linux and win [10:07] anyone who is not using QT is a traitor and an insolent swine [10:07] huh. thats interesting. i'd try it, but building things in a VM is a pain. [10:07] i'll do it when i go in to work tomorrow. [10:07] people using gtk should be shot. [10:07] or at least punched [10:08] in the face [10:08] Karls: if you're trying to troll.. you really need more practice. [10:08] whats wrong with gtk? [10:08] lol [10:08] Dominian i meet none of the definitions of trolling [10:08] Dominian: some people don't try, they just do it subconciously. [10:08] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1390 [10:08] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91F91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [10:08] KillerV: not LGPL /now/ [10:08] 10:07 < Karls> people using gtk should be shot. [10:08] *kitche [10:08] gtk was the only good no-cost choice for commercial linux apps until yesterday. [10:08] it will be [10:08] diabolix: *until march [10:08] heh [10:09] well, you can start developement on qt now with no worries. [10:09] AbortRet1yFail oh, I may have overstated my case [10:09] I prefer qt [10:09] Action: Camarade_Tux uses gtk, the qt bindings for ocaml are not ready yet [10:09] what about people who hate c++? [10:09] diabolix they should be shot [10:09] Karls: c++ is a pain [10:09] slackytude: just in case you're not aware, opensource qt works fine with microsoft's copmilers too (though you need to build it yourself) [10:10] automatic garbage collection is for small girls [10:10] diabolix: if they hate it compared to C... :S [10:10] i like my memory unmanaged, and my homosensuals flaming [10:10] fred, yes, I know it works . its just a pain to do so :) [10:11] I really like that Qt is LGPL soon [10:11] i like to smell the code on the metal [10:11] btw, I wanted to ask you : is 'caravel' (as in the ship) an ok name for a light and fast browser ? [10:11] c is an awesome language. its the only language i can debug without -g, bacause you can practically compile a well written program in your head. [10:11] Camarade_Tux reminds me of AoE [10:11] Camarade_Tux how about a more aggresive approach; Penetrator! [10:11] slackytude: IMO, if you're going to distribute your windows builds, they really should be built iwth the MS compilers, so I have that setup anyway [10:12] fred that is my view [10:12] it has bitten me in betwixt the buttocks too many times [10:12] Action: fred wants qt-creator to hurry up and get MS debugger support though :( [10:13] "Caravel" sounds a little fruity [10:13] Karls, somehow it's the goal, I initially wanted 'caramel' (read 'CarAML') but I couldn't have a sexy logo with such a name, and a caravel is a small, fast and maneuvrable ship, so it fits :) [10:13] like you have fairies dancing around on some lolcats page [10:13] Karls, lol, really ? :D [10:14] I think a more manly name, like WebSmasher 2000 [10:14] Action: Asmadeus giggles. Who do men think they are ? [10:14] your target market is adolescent teens who want fast loading on porn pages, no? [10:15] if not, go with the ship allusion [10:15] yeah, too, and young adults (I'm 20 >< ) [10:15] oh, crap ! [10:15] hmm, I was 20 once too. And from what I remember there was a lot of porn involved. [10:15] I'd go with WebSmasher 200 [10:15] hmm, off by a factor of 10 [10:15] Camarade_Tux: Caravel sounds good to me. [10:15] 2000 [10:16] well, that's one vote Caravel, one vote WebSmasher 2000 [10:16] note the camel casing [10:16] Camarade_Tux what is it coded in? [10:16] more seriously, the intended audience is everybody : I've never been happy with firefox (really *never*) and I want something to get rid of it [10:16] "the intended audience is everybody" == you're doomed. [10:17] fred, I dont see why? could you give more details? [10:17] Karls, in ocaml (pronounced 'o-camel'), but note that you rarely use caml-casing in ocaml ;) [10:17] Camarade_Tux and hacking at the chromium code doesn't appeal? [10:17] cause Chrome *can* move, pappy [10:17] slackytude: either you fail, or you bloat, which makes you fail. [10:17] so, its either fail or... fail? [10:17] at work: need a well-defined target audience; for personal: "me" works quite well :p [10:18] fred, right, everybody who is not 101% computer-disabled, and there will be plugins *everywhere* to avoid bloat by default [10:18] slackytude: well, if you don't try, you're going to fail. If you do try, the act of adding enough stuff to please everybody will annoy others, so you'll fail. [10:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.120) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:18] but I don't intend to start coding a digg/reddit plugin either... [10:18] and even a simple program will get some poepl just hating it because of the UI, and others loving it [10:18] fred, I dont see whats that got to do with MinGW vs MS VC [10:19] nothing. [10:19] Karls, chromium doesn't really work on linux currently, PLUS (and it's really important), I don't like chromium, and moreover I had started that before [10:19] (but note both use the same rendering-engine : webkit) [10:19] slackytude: oh, "i dont' see why" was re compilers, not the line I'd just said? [10:19] slackytude: IMO, if you're going to distribute your windows builds, they really should be built iwth the MS compilers, so I have that setup anyway [10:19] i would like to know how to create a non temporary environnment variable like PRUNEPATHS and PRUNEFS for /etc/updatedb.conf [10:19] I'm pro MinGW [10:19] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) joined ##slackware. [10:20] slackytude: I thought you were refering to 15:16 < fred> "the intended audience is everybody" == you're doomed. [10:20] Camarade_Tux it doesn't work at all, pappy! [10:20] i did set | grep -i prune ........... but i don't have PRUNEPATHS and PRUNEFS [10:20] allmost every program I made compiles for linux with gcc and in windows with MingW [10:20] with allmost no adaptions in the source code. [10:20] and on mac's as well [10:20] slackytude: I prefer as close to native as possible, without needing extra cygwin/mingw libraries or anything, and as compatible (abi-wise) with the system libraries [10:21] fred, heh, no I was asking if you could elaborate (sp?) on that comment. sorry, Im still at work and people around here expect me to answer the phone for some reasons which makes me drop out of a chat randomly [10:21] Karls, iirc one who worked a *lot* for chromium on linux got commit rights to chromium [10:21] a windows build with mingw/cygwin almost gives me the same feeling as "linux packages" that are based on wine. [10:21] it's also (imo) the most maintained windows compiler [10:21] Camarade_Tux anyway, I'd like to back your browser. Are you taking investors at this time? [10:22] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:22] you can get dev-cpp with mingw as well, and then you don't need the cygwin dll's running [10:22] fred, right. for the stuff I did, mingw was ok. just small stuff anyway. [10:22] Karls, well, soon but not _yet_, it doesn't do that much currently ;) [10:23] R0N what sort of an animal could use windows without cygwin? [10:23] I feel faint ... [10:23] I do [10:23] I know it's bad [10:23] straterra my god ... [10:23] ? [10:23] But I'm trying to build some sort of computer game, and I want it running on every system [10:24] R0N, there's -mno-cygwin too iirc [10:24] R0N, what language? [10:24] Karls: he also uses gentoo. [10:24] but honestly, cross-compilation is much much better [10:24] with as little third party shared objects or dll's needed as possible. [10:24] fred I think i may pass out .. [10:24] Then pass out..ffs [10:24] "Zomg windows!" [10:24] straterra I came to. [10:24] otherwise people will start complaining about licenses and stuff like that [10:24] No, windows without cygwin [10:25] it's disgusting [10:25] Are you one of those fucktards that thinks Linux should be on everything and used for everything? [10:25] bm (i=c87faebc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ef9489dfdab39780) left ##slackware. [10:25] Yes! [10:25] Including on my Zune! [10:25] Karls == fucktard [10:25] lol ;) [10:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [10:25] only if I included hardwaredrivers for about everything, I could give the game its own os. [10:26] and that would make me more an os developer as a game developer [10:26] however, it would be cool. [10:26] straterra don't get angry now. Please, there is no reason for that level of hatred. [10:26] some stupid rpg running from a live-cd [10:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Action: allend thinks straterra is trying to parse a text file using windows tools [10:27] straterra now, cygwin provides many of the *nix tools one becomes familiar with over the years. When forced to use a Windows system cygwin can greatly improve productivity and look real cool. [10:28] straterra I would ask you to never question my authority in front of the others again. Thank you. [10:28] "Services For Unix" [10:28] t'ain't the same, pappy [10:28] Your authority? [10:28] nor as easly portable [10:29] yep but you can achieve similar things with it [10:29] (what it does not say is it has a dependancy, just like cygwin1.dll, but much more hidden) [10:29] straterra yes, my authority. In fact, do not address me directly again. Direct all correspondance to me through Camarade_Tux. [10:29] thank you [10:29] hmmm... [10:29] Action: slackytude likes cygwin, too [10:30] Camarade_Tux, congratulation :D [10:30] that's 2 votes cygwin, 1 vote humourless twat [10:30] Who is said humourless twat? [10:30] what's that? [10:30] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [10:30] i think you are missing a gene [10:31] let's not argue. Slackware should bring ppl together [10:31] not divide them. [10:31] if i do set env PRUNEPATHS, ..........;; it does not stay a while ! [10:31] i how must i do ? [10:31] Asmadeus, thanks :p [10:32] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.87) joined ##slackware. [10:32] paissad: export [10:33] straterra I've decided to forgive you. You didn't know what you were doing and saying. [10:33] Please install cygwin forthwith [10:34] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:34] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Certaintly. After you clean my testicle with your tongue for a minimum of 20 minutes. Thank you. [10:35] your testicle? Singular? You only have one ball? [10:35] How .. interesting. [10:35] no he wants you to clean only one [10:35] ah, you're familiar with this procedure. [10:36] Please present said testicle. [10:36] I am a girl [10:36] girls can't clean testicles? [10:36] thats why I am familiar [10:36] ah [10:36] I felt he was trying to demean me though. Would he respect me afterwards? [10:37] Karls, you drink too much coffee [10:37] I feel hurt [10:37] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) left irc: "Bye Bye" [10:37] straterra: hahahaa [10:37] i really tried to join with the slackware community [10:38] but all I got was a sexual offer from a dude with one nut [10:38] Karls: You're like a bad hooker. You don't leave after the john has had their use with you. [10:38] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [10:38] straterra: how do i get my SUPER key working? I am assuming that is the windows key. [10:38] dtanner: Indeed [10:39] straterra you are an insolent swine. My authority is sacrosanct. You will respect that. [10:39] RetrievilKnievil (n=Retrievi@81-29-40-84.adsl.hesbynett.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:39] Yes I will, after my testicle is clean. [10:39] Get to it. [10:39] I use ubuntu, a clean distro, you filthy swine. [10:40] will you pop it out of the scrotum? [10:40] Action: Camarade_Tux dreams of a "pause" button for the channel [10:40] so i can actually clean the testicle itself? [10:40] btw I think both of you should stop a bit :) [10:40] Nope. You must play "How many licks does it take to get to the testicle?" [10:40] And, would you be getting any sexual satisfaction out of this? Having another male lick at your testicle for 20 mins? [10:40] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] Who said anything about sexual satisfaction? [10:41] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] ok, super key is now working. breakfast calling =) [10:41] Oh no one. No one would imagine any sexual motive in you asking another guy to lick your ball for 20 mins. [10:41] Nobody would think it was strange that was the first thought that came to your mind. [10:41] totally normal. [10:41] No one that knew me would think it was strange, newcomer. [10:42] Ah, we get to the nub. Big-man-on-campus smashes puny newcomer. [10:42] Well I wasn't aware you were a homosexual gentleman. [10:42] i am, as you note, a newcomer. [10:43] No. Big-man-on-campus smashes troll fucktard. I am not homosexual. [10:43] But you want another man to lick your one nut for 20 mins? [10:43] Correct. [10:43] Action: Zordrak switches irssi win to ##slackware -- notices current /topic = ball-licking // switches back [10:43] Ok. You aren't homosensual. Of course you aren't. You are recieving these things from males, not doing them so your sexuality is intact. [10:44] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [10:44] It is indeed manly to beg repeatedly for another man to lick your nut. [10:44] I concur. [10:45] lol what a convo [10:45] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) joined ##slackware. [10:45] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.29.196) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Action: alisonken1home notes Zordrak channel switch and concurs [10:45] hi all again [10:45] :) [10:45] hi Karlitoo [10:45] zer0vette yes, he was strange to have said such a thing. But he claimed no one would be surprised. [10:45] I felt shocked when he suggested such things. [10:46] Karls: you're annoying. [10:46] But anyway, I slapped him down like the bitch he was. [10:46] hi twolf [10:46] Karls: strangeness is- to be taken for granted [10:46] My work here is done [10:46] He is still burning. Poor little guy [10:46] now he'll give an lol or two and crack a few feeble jokes [10:46] ciao :) [10:46] Karls (i=lib04a@119.11.8.23) left ##slackware. [10:46] Karls: entirely usual and not picked-up on [10:46] finally [10:46] He's smarter than he appears. :) [10:46] wtf :S [10:46] He left..thank god [10:47] Action: Camarade_Tux is somehow voiceless [10:47] lol [10:48] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ubuntu_cant_access_net/ <- and she wonders why she couldn't install MS Word in Ubuntu after complaining rather than learning. Our education at work [10:49] s/education/education dollars/ [10:49] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:49] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-732fc7ac17ebfa4d) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:50] the register [10:50] 1100$ ? does dell puts ubuntu on non-netbooks computers (and non-servers) ? [10:51] a fine source of information for it news [10:51] Camarade_Tux: you can order one, yes. sometimes not the easiest to find, but available [10:51] Nick change: Agiofws -> A\giofws [10:51] wow obama baseball cards are coming out .... [10:51] kitche, O_o [10:52] G4L is awesome [10:52] alisonken1home, ok, thanks, it's possible that's only available in the US [10:52] fast cloning [10:52] rapp_scallion (n=asphyx@88.197.12.121) joined ##slackware. [10:53] hi everyone, is there any special configuration in order to automount cdrom? [10:53] hal works fine with usb devices [10:53] from a default full install, it should work fine [10:53] are you thinking data or audio cd? [10:53] data [10:54] but havent made a full install so i might have missed sth [10:54] it _should_ ask you what you want to do when you pop it in (unless "remember this action" was already selected from a previous cd) [10:54] see it in thunar [10:55] i have installed volman from slackbuilds [10:55] another bad week for actors - Patrick McGoohan ("The Prisoner") and Ricardo Montalban both died within the last week [10:56] but still wont work [10:56] alisonken1home: just reading that article right now most people don't know they don't need the disk to get online [10:56] kitche: among other things :) [10:56] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:57] after being told Ubuntu is _NOT_ Microsoft Windows, she still tries to install Word [10:57] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-95d28a5670c25981) left irc: [10:57] one less fucktard cloggin ma tubes [10:58] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-152-173.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [10:58] lol [10:58] alisonken1home: also most don't know openoffice [10:58] alisonken1home: slashdot has that uop now that goes right to the news agency that thought it was real news :) [10:59] rapp_scallion, any message when you put in a cd? [10:59] rapp_scallion, is your user part of the plugdev group? [10:59] my mother thinks windows is a computer and office an operating system although she *PERFECTLY KNEW* their respective roles, she knows what linux and ooo are too, but she still thinks a computer == windows, that's the major problem we have with MS's nearly-monopoly [10:59] Action: allend thinks Milwaukee Area Technical College just increased it's grade averagel [10:59] alisonken1home: guess they called dell to actually help the lady get a windows disc or get a comment [11:00] slackytude, lshal shows the cdrom [11:00] s/nearly/near, at least I think [11:00] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:00] my mother got slack and is happy with it :P [11:00] "this linux is really more stable" ^-^ [11:00] slackytude, i am a member of the plugdev group, and all works fine with usb - only cdrom fails [11:00] kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.143.92) joined ##slackware. [11:00] rapp_scallion, hrm [11:00] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-166-101.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:01] rapp_scallion, there is an option to tell hal to disable polling for devices like cd drives [11:01] slackytude, I'm most impressed, mine nevers stops complaining... [11:01] ooo bout time -- GPUs roped in to help crack crypto faster [11:01] rapp_scallion, but polling is enabled by default [11:01] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [11:01] kitche: slashdot keeps popping up my "A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding." message. I hat slashdot - too much crap [11:01] i guess if you have a linux machine, and its the only one you have, and you can't connect to the internet, you can't do a google search to see how to connect. it would leave a bad taste in your mouth. [11:01] alisonken1home: yeah it's a linu/freebsd issue it seems alisonken1home since on windows I don't get that pop up [11:02] Zordrak, yeah but I find using the P4's deep pipelines to crack hashes was much more sexy ;) [11:02] slackytude: yeah: chmod a-x /etc/rc.d/rc.hal :) [11:02] Camarade_Tux, I didnt really do much. stock slack 12.2 with xfce. I made a custom xfce menu tha contains about 6 items. very simple [11:02] *hald [11:02] Camarade_Tux, oh and german language support [11:02] kitche: it's a "too much crap trying to work on that page" issue :) [11:02] slackytude, what do i get if i disable it [11:02] rapp_scallion, it would behave like you describe it [11:03] rapp_scallion: are you a member of the cdrom group? [11:03] yes [11:03] wow, that story about that woman who accidentally ordered and ubuntu box actually got slashdotted? [11:04] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] slackytude, I think my mother is a bit special : she managed to remember how to type for decades without any kind of practicing (she had been taught on a typewriter and typed very well) and within a few years on a computer completely forgot and now types at a 2-second per letter rate (not the other way-round ;) ) [11:05] rapp_scallion, hal-disable-polling --enable-polling --device /dev/scd0 # or whatever your CD drive is [11:05] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) left irc: "Leaving" [11:06] Camarade_Tux, heh, funny stuff [11:06] "polling is already enabled on given device" [11:06] hal-disbale-polling with the option --enable-polling that's a clever command [11:07] :P [11:07] ok, disabled [11:07] rapp_scallion, sorry, Im out of ideas. did you change anything? [11:07] not at all.. :( added myself to plugdev group, installed thunar volman and usb worked [11:07] then tried a cdrom and nothing [11:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.220) joined ##slackware. [11:08] anyone had prblems with latest GraphViz in CPAN? [11:08] rapp_scallion: did you log out, then log back in after adding yourself to plugdev? [11:08] of course [11:08] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [11:08] just checking - some people forget that step [11:08] ran groups command as well to verify [11:08] anyways, almost time to go home. work is nearly over \o/ [11:09] anyone bqred enough to try it for me? [11:09] bbl guys [11:09] I love getting paid to chat here :D [11:09] see ya tomorrow [11:09] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BAAB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "off I go" [11:09] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [11:09] sbopkg -> graphviz, then cpan -i GraphViz [11:09] rapp_scallion: "but havent made a full install so i might have missed sth". So what did not get installed? [11:10] allend, lol [11:10] various things [11:10] anything i thought i wouldnt need actually [11:10] but included all libs and stuff [11:10] mostly removed stuff from apps [11:10] and xaps [11:11] still it could be a bug in thunar volman, although the same setup did work for me in 12.1 [11:11] Apps? As in /ap? [11:11] as well, yes [11:13] once you use a mac you dont even care about freedom...or is it because its my new toy? [11:13] ld: unrecognized option '--build-id' [11:13] ld: use the --help option for usage information [11:13] why? [11:13] sorry, unfunny joke [11:14] during 2.6.28 compilation [11:14] /ap is not something I'd mess with TOO much. [11:15] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [11:16] jkwood, who needs zsh [11:16] :) [11:16] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:17] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeji81.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:17] anyway, gotta run. thanks to everyone for your help... [11:17] rapp_scallion (n=asphyx@88.197.12.121) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:20] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:23] allend (n=allend@124-168-125-241.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] Stx_ (n=d9ae413e@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: "CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)" [11:24] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-70-42.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:25] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-10-162.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:48] kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.143.88) joined ##slackware. [11:49] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@67.230.31.155) joined ##slackware. [11:50] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [11:50] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74dd45.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f74edda.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [11:50] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@67.230.31.155) left irc: Client Quit [11:51] diabolix (n=jsoyke@c-67-165-58-144.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] hi like to ask about this error: http://pastebin.com/m3da737c0 [11:59] DNS issues [11:59] more /etc/resolv.conf [12:00] ok thanks.. [12:00] no problem [12:02] Dominian:how i place dns...here in resolv.conf [12:02] Well is this is a dhcp connection or static ? [12:02] im on its menu now i see search local....it a static.. [12:02] k [12:02] remove the search local [12:02] and put in there: nameserver [12:02] then save it [12:04] Dominian:why my vi command ESC+ I for editing not working.. [12:04] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f74eba1.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] ruben23, you need to edit that file as root. [12:05] im on root [12:05] I don't use vi myself [12:05] Only whenI have to [12:05] and I is insert [12:05] if its not working.. Press "i" by itself [12:05] then try typing.. once done.> Esc.. then :wq [12:07] Dominian:can erase even the local search [12:07] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [12:07] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062184194.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [12:07] i sue esc+i then tried i= still now working.. [12:07] unusual [12:07] well Like I said ai don't use vi [12:07] I use nano [12:08] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) joined ##slackware. [12:08] you could just press the insert key on your keyboard as well [12:08] sberla54__ (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [12:09] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.70.17) left irc: "Leaving" [12:09] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] ruben23: still not working? [12:09] diabolix (n=jsoyke@c-67-165-58-144.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:11] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:11] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.19.40) joined ##slackware. [12:12] s0ttle:yes...im doing nano now but dont know the keys to change...can ask help.. [12:12] lol i have no clue about nano [12:12] but lemme look [12:12] s0ttle:but why vi is not working for slackware... [12:12] ive tried it with other distro....it ok [12:13] ruben12: define "not working" [12:13] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:13] rk4n3:command like on insert mode i pres esc+i then i can erase and insert... [12:14] but cannot erase...i can only insert.. [12:14] ruben23: ok for nano when you make the correction just hold Ctrl and press X [12:14] ruben23: are you fluent or even familiar with vi ? [12:14] yes...im doing vi mostly... [12:14] Action: fred <3 vim [12:15] Action: s0ttle nods [12:15] Action: fred also <3 Qt Creator for having vim emulation [12:15] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] ruben23: so you know that when you hit esc, you're leaving edit mode and switching to command mode ? [12:15] ruben23: and in command mode, the x key erases a character, the sequence "dw" erases a word, etc... [12:16] Action: kitche <3 nvi [12:16] hmmm tahts more advance...for vi...new info to me.. [12:16] lolz [12:16] hmmm thats more advance...for vi...new info to me.. [12:16] :) [12:16] ruben23: if you're in command mode, hitting the "i" key puts you into edit mode, where you can only use the backspace key to erase characters that you've just typed, not characters that were there before entering edit mode [12:17] ruben23: fluency with vi will require being familiar and adept at switching between edit and command modes, and knowing what you can do in each [12:17] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-19.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:19] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:19] ruben23: just type: echo "nameserver 1.2.3.4" >/etc/resolv.conf [12:19] ruben23: there's a bit of a learning curve, but its worth it because of the vast power available beyond what typical "type-n-go" editors provide [12:19] mike@quazi(/tmp):$ echo "nameserver 1.2.3.4" >/etc/resolv.conf [12:19] but as root ^^ [12:19] change 1.2.3.4 to your actual nameserver ip [12:19] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [12:20] s0ttle:i got to ip for my nameserver...ill just use space between ip [12:20] to == two ? [12:20] yes for my dns server... [12:21] rk4n3:from now on...ill go for advance reading on vi.. [12:21] ruben23: then do the same thing again like i showed you but use >> the second time [12:21] ruben23, check out vimtutor (installed by default with full slackware) [12:22] That's how I got started with vi/vim [12:22] mike@quazi(/tmp):$ echo "nameserver 1.2.3.4" >/etc/resolv.conf && echo "nameserver 5.6.7.8" >> /etc/resolv.conf [12:23] ruben23: each nameserver reference has to be on its own line [12:23] anyone know if the various *BSD distributions often accept non-bsd code ? [12:23] s0ttle:nathanbw rk4n3: thank you so much for the help... [12:24] Camarade_Tux: FreeBSD uses gpl/cddl code in it OpenBSD is goign away from gpl code [12:24] ruben23, no problem :) [12:25] mako (n=mako@81.22.23.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:26] kitche, thanks, openbsd is so trollistic (I understand *many* of their point but the sum of them all makes openbsd so nazi... :p ) [12:26] I was mosly interested on knowing that for freebsd though ;) [12:27] anyone using kbluetooth/ [12:28] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@121.232.8.102) left irc: Success [12:29] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn149.78-99-113.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:30] kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.143.88) left irc: [12:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [12:36] errordeveloper: i see same ISP as mine :P what speeds are you getting? [12:37] paissad (n=paissad@182.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:38] sherique_ (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:41] can you get sth like conky (or even ff) to render web page as desktop bg? [12:42] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:42] thinking aboot magios tactical overview [12:42] *nagios [12:43] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-13-175.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] OT time. I had a machine (Slackware 12.2 fwiw) hooked up to DSL as the NAT router for the LAN. Everything was fine for months. (Well, it wasn't 12.2 back then, but the same machine.) Then it started having intermittent failures which looked like DSL modem problems. Switched the DSL to a different machine, all is well. Nothing in logs or dmesg to indicate NIC trouble on the first. [12:43] crap... [12:43] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-70-26.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software#100.25_Free_GNU.2FLinux_distributions [12:43] "OpenBSD"... [12:44] rob0: could be memory..bad hardware does WEIRD things [12:44] or driver [12:44] The memory was recently upgraded, I did think of that. [12:45] What's weird is that we've only noticed the trouble in the networking, eth1 (DSL) and ath0 (wireless.) [12:45] Camarade_Tux, heh, oops. [12:46] They could be using the same blocks of bad memory. [12:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:46] memtest would be in order, I should think. [12:46] yup, guess soo [12:47] I usually memtest before running, but I didn't on this one. [12:47] 4G (kernel sees 3.6G.) [12:47] also, it's faster than the machine is rated for [12:47] Ah, that could make a difference too. [12:48] that shouldn't matter [12:48] really? [12:48] WRT my previous: perhaps a way to get FF to render then fbsetroot the output? [12:48] memory has an SPD table that will allow it to run at slower frequencies with a different latency style [12:48] wouldnt be iteractive but would do in a pinch [12:49] Ah, true. But if the motherboard can't quite handle it, and the RAM runs at rated speed... well, I've heard of issues with "overclocked" memory in the past. [12:49] Yes..but typically you have to manually up the memory speed in the bios if thats the case [12:49] ok ... I am going to upgrade the whole machine here soon (something rated for the RAM I already have.) [12:49] zer0vette (n=kvirc@205.142.112.217) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [12:50] It should just run at the maximum speed the memory controller supports out of the box [12:50] Also true. Hmm... [12:50] So we should be back to bad memory. [12:50] Or other failing hardware [12:50] memory is just an easy thing to test/replace [12:51] this wasn't cheap crap, it was a decent motherboard and everything. I don't skimp. [12:51] Well.. [12:51] TBH, that doesn't really matter [12:51] but, there are gremlins ... [12:51] yeah [12:53] i have to replace some bad ram [12:53] and ocz's rma process is shameful [12:54] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:54] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:55] paissad (n=paissad@182.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Corsair ftw [12:55] w/ lifetime guarantee [12:56] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:56] Sockentier_ (n=Sockenti@p54A5585D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Sockentier_ (n=Sockenti@p54A5585D.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [12:57] This RAM is G.skill, also warrantied. [12:58] ow [12:59] check it with memtest? [12:59] 17:46 < rob0> yup, guess soo [12:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] that's the next step [12:59] oh, sorry [13:00] is there a 64-bit memtest, or does that matter? [13:00] doesnt matter [13:01] I'd just use SystemRescueCD. [13:01] dguitar (n=xxjx@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:05] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:05] It's very handy to have around. [13:08] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Anyone ever heard of a symbian or java phone calendar that will load an ICS file over http like sunbird/lightning will? [13:10] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:11] lw0x15: hey .. [13:11] i'm getting semi-decent speeds [13:12] i get up to 999kB/s ;]] [13:12] sometimes a bit more [13:12] if i turn on the speed mode @ their website [13:12] josemanuel (n=josemanu@94.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:13] also i got lots of peers here = [13:13] like about 5 people downloading/seeding constantly [13:13] and 10 more just browsing .. [13:14] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [13:15] on avrg [13:15] josemanuel (n=josemanu@94.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Client Quit [13:18] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [13:18] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [13:18] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:18] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-139-124.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [13:19] lw0x15: i never checked their speed-tester [13:19] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-139-124.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:21] just looking at the speeds in my torrent client [13:21] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-139c6d86c3796ad8) joined ##slackware. [13:23] i reckon 750kBps is already quite good for one torrent [13:23] ;) [13:23] Yes indeedy. [13:26] errordeveloper: if thats with all the peers [13:26] thats pretty awesome [13:30] errordeveloper: where about do you livw [13:30] live* [13:31] paissad (n=paissad@182.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] lw0x15: london, n1 [13:33] lw0x15: acually i'm thinking that next time i'll try with virgin [13:33] cause they got fiber opics [13:33] optics [13:33] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:33] errordeveloper: lol nice i am in london as well [13:33] however they probably have QoS setup so most of the bandwith is going for the HD-TV [13:34] south :P [13:36] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:36] lw0x15: well yes .. london is in the south ;) [13:36] lw0x15: BTW, do you go to some local user group meetings? [13:36] BP{k}: well ..we got this little gettho thing - south and north [13:37] also north is devided into east, north, central, west [13:37] the kids fight a bit because of that .. [13:37] yeah [13:37] way too much i'd say :] [13:38] errordeveloper: not really, wanted to go to lonix meeting [13:38] but was busy [13:38] idiots .. [13:38] can't seem to find any other active ones [13:38] lw0x15: i went ones, seemd boring to be honest [13:38] ;( [13:38] :-/ [13:39] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:39] i guess they were just drinking beer ? :D [13:39] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) left irc: [13:39] to me .. cause i'm a bit into more active kindda time out [13:39] anyway .. [13:40] errordeveloper: which side are you from ? lol [13:40] just yeah ..in most kindda boring way [13:40] lw0x15: well, i'm from eastern europe, came here over 4yrs ago [13:40] from Latvia to be exact [13:41] haha pretty similar to my story line [13:41] lithuania ftw ;] [13:42] lw0x15: heh ..)) [13:42] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [13:42] groovy ;) [13:43] lw0x15: well, i'm from a russian famaly [13:43] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. 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[13:46] well, I was always more fond of my imaginary father anyway, so it works out [13:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.220) left irc: "Bye Bye" [13:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] fred: pinmg [13:48] *ping [13:49] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:49] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [13:53] alkos333: pong [13:54] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:54] etb (n=wbb@83.212.57.203) joined ##slackware. [13:54] how can i expand my ext3 partition? [13:55] fred: Sorry to bother again. I just had a few questions about your suspend script. [13:55] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] fred: I'm planning on combining two into one, so I'dd just have suspend.sh and based on the parameter it'll either suspend to disc or ram. I was wondering, why do you switch to console 6 and then back to the active X console? [13:56] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-155-51-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [13:57] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-77-236-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] alkos333: graphics card bugs [13:57] diabolix (n=jsoyke@c-67-165-58-144.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:59] when I wrote that (not sure if it's still true), X11 would hang if I suspended and resumed in VT7 [14:02] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.37) joined ##slackware. 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[14:28] knwo what you are doing. i use it all the time [14:28] it is as safe as you make it [14:28] anyone has used a lexmarkz25 printer in slackware? [14:29] i have never lost a bit of data using it [14:29] i want to expand my root partition [14:29] not here dissociative [14:29] everytime that I print a document the paper stucks in the second page and the printer doesnt print anymore [14:29] i have a little hP d1420 works great in linux [14:29] i have read that lexmarks are well suppported in linux [14:30] I have to print odd pages and even pages separately now [14:30] etb: of course it's safe...as long as you have backups [14:31] it only stops printing if it's not feed inmediatly when its going to print the second page of a job [14:32] looks like I have to try with it under windows [14:32] dissociative: did you fan the stack before putting it in the tray? [14:33] Action: alisonken1 found it's better to take the stack and fan it before putting a stack of papers in a printer tray [14:33] I dont use a paper stack [14:33] always gotta fan it baby [14:33] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-5c18eca82fbb8e60) joined ##slackware. [14:33] I print each page in both sides [14:33] ah [14:34] of the paper [14:34] I like some of the hp laserjets - if you specify duplex printing, it prints one side, then sucks the paper back into the printer for the second side [14:34] If I use a stack it goes fine but I there's left a blank page :( [14:34] fred: Sorry, the class ended :) [14:34] Had to move [14:36] dissociative: Does it feed the second page in and then stop or do you put the second page in the paper tray and it doesn't do anything. Does the power button light blink? [14:37] it feeds the second page until the mid then stops feeding [14:39] dissociative: Oh, ok. I was thinking that if it didn't feed the second page and the power light blinked, then you have to press the paper feed button, but that wouldn't be the case if it feeds the paper half way. I had an HP do the same thing, feed the paper half way and stop. I never did figure out what was wrong with it. Sorry I can't be of more help. [14:39] then I press the paper feed button, and it spits the page uncompletely and the paper remains stuck and then the paper feed light now is blinking [14:39] h8R (n=ari_pak@87-126-67-121.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:40] firebird619: I'm going to try printing in windows to see if that can be a driver problem [14:40] but I have to unplug my modem first, brb. [14:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-170-127.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [14:45] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. 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[15:18] gunzipped [15:18] thanks [15:18] Personally..i always get the cd image [15:18] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-5c18eca82fbb8e60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:20] lilo knows how to boot a compressed linux, i don't see why not memtest. [15:20] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [15:21] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] diabolix: lilo just knows how to load the file you tell it to load - it has nothing to do with lilo and compressed images [15:21] the kernel uncompressing itself on boot is just that - the kernel has a built-in uncompress routine once it's loaded [15:22] ah. [15:23] so like, the first few bytes of vmlinuz just decompresses and begins execution. [15:24] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [15:24] no - the file loads and lilo calls the start instruction in the image - once the image start routine kicks in, it decompresses the rest of the file. the initial call has to be uncompresses alread. think of the old-style self-extracting archive [15:27] think of it like a script file with a whole bunch of binary data at the end of the script part [15:27] firebird619: then printer just did work without problem under windoze... [15:27] the* [15:29] it did work much better with the propietary windows Drivers, though the cups drivers are propietary also [15:30] dissociative: Where did you get the driver from? I found on openprinting.org a script someone made that downloads the driver, etc. for the Z25. The instructions are for Ubuntu, but could easily be used in Slackware I would assume. [15:30] the biggest PITAs i find in linux are printing PITAs [15:31] printing and sound is like voodoo magic [15:31] Sound, not so much any more [15:31] printing still is..that and selinux [15:31] firebird619: I downloaded the driver from the manufacturer webpage that were in rpm and then i converted them to tgz with rpm2tgz [15:31] and mail [15:31] selinux..good lawd [15:32] postfix and all that shit just confuses the hell outta me [15:32] from my little venture into PAM i got a look at selinux a little [15:32] yeah mail is black magic [15:32] that's actually my next project; figure out linux mail [15:32] goooooood luck sir. [15:32] nullboy: please document well [15:32] i'm going to get a cheapo domain name so i can just try it out [15:32] I'll give you a domain name to use [15:33] I have a spare one [15:33] nullboy: I just set up a multi-domain mail server not long ago ... perhaps I can be of some assistance :) [15:33] goatse.the.re.emergence.org [15:33] lol [15:33] I call user name "i.love" [15:33] nullboy: seriously..want a domain? [15:34] dissociative: Ok, thats pretty much what that script I found does too. The Z25 is listed under "Mostly" working, so maybe the problem your having is a driver issue or something. I am not sure though, I don't know much about that stuff. :) [15:34] straterra: not immediately but maybe soon [15:34] Alrighty [15:34] We won't be 17 foreever, and we can get away with this tonight. [15:34] k? [15:34] lol [15:34] apparently it's illegal anyway [15:35] We're one mistake from being together..but lets not ask why its not right [15:35] some kiddies got arrested for taking pics of themselves and then sending them to other kiddies, they ALL got arrested [15:35] nullboy: be careful, straterra may be using the word "domain" as code for something else ... [15:35] oh lawd [15:35] Yes..I am listening to Metro Station [15:35] :/ [15:35] i feel violated already [15:35] hehe :) [15:35] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] domains, the candy-from-strangers for techies [15:37] Just get in my van..and you can have google.com [15:37] lol [15:37] max__ (n=max@193.110.22.205) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [15:37] don't mind the SPARC's [15:38] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:41] etb (n=wbb@83.212.57.203) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-0dfa727c727adad7) joined ##slackware. [15:46] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-19.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:47] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [15:48] straterra: I want to run vista inside like a vmare , should i get the official vmware or what is this Virtualbox/vbox i hear of? which is the best in your opinion for my purpose ? [15:48] dtanner: I rather like Vista..I know the drivers for the guest work well with Vista [15:49] i have vista inside a KVM [15:49] I've never used Virtualbox with Vista [15:49] straterra: as you can tell I have not been on my computers for almost a year and I dunno of this vbox =). maybe i should stick with vmware? [15:49] I would..I find it easier [15:49] straterra: what have you used with vbox ? [15:49] and has more features [15:50] ok thanks for the word [15:50] BSD/Linux in vbox is what I've used [15:50] i see [15:50] iirc i need to create /etc/rc[0-5].d to trick vmware to installing/running correct ? [15:52] /etc/rc.d, iirc [15:52] nullboy: you mean a hardware kvm switch I assume on a seperate machine? [15:52] no, kernel virtual machine [15:53] hmm what do i need for that nullboy ? and do you think it is just as good and simple to setup as vmware ? [15:53] there is a kvm slackbuild but you need CPU support for KVm [15:53] i have slackware-12.2 stock installed right now ( with fof course some software I have added ) but it is still a clean 12.2 box [15:53] iirc i need to create /etc/rc[0-5].d <-- run ls /etc you'll it's in there nowadays [15:54] dtanner, see commetns in /etc/rc.d for useage, also there's an /etc/init.d as well [15:54] Old_Fogie: ok cool, soPat thought about vmware this time =) [15:54] thats cool [15:54] that's not just for vmware [15:54] now i need to decide if i want to use kvm or vmware [15:54] probably so people stop complaining [15:54] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Hi [15:55] sysvinit in general i guess [15:55] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/misc/kvm/ [15:55] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-139-124.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:55] but you want to fix that build to use the latest version of kvm [15:55] kvm-83 is the latest [15:55] gotcha [15:55] anyone using ekiga in Slackware ? [15:55] thanks , off to build [15:55] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:56] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] did pat build the module in the kernekl i need and what is the module name kvm.ko ? or is it static in the stock kernels ? [15:58] don't use the in tree [15:58] you the modules that build with the kvm build [15:58] almost everything is modular, but doesn't matter, as the kvm build replaces it [15:58] dtanner, I dont know about vista in it, but the 'floss' version of vbox is nice if you have a dual core box. no shenanigans needed to get the kernel modules, etc to build on later kernels, no pam workarounds as in vmware. I say dual core box, as on a single proc machine, vbox is getting way too much cpu usage for it in general I'm experiencng :( Sad as the floss features is all I need. [15:58] found them [15:58] root@seventakeone:~# modprobe kvm [15:58] kvm kvm-amd kvm-intel [15:58] dtanner: modinfo kvm-intel [15:59] nullboy: ok so mkvm will replace them , gotcha [15:59] you want ot use the latest modules....the ones that are built with that slackbuild [15:59] thanks again [16:00] my god I've just been topside - the light, the light, it hurts [16:00] dtanner: and this is alienbob's qemu write up, most of which applies to kvm too since KVM just uses a modified qemu http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:qemu [16:01] just ignore the kqemu stuff [16:01] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:02] we've got an epic santa anna wind storm in action right now [16:02] nullboy, does kvm use any sort of kernel module, or is that what the kernel options to do with vm's is about? [16:02] is there a way to know which symbol is at the numeric address 0xffffffdf of linux-gate.so? [16:03] Action: dive reads up a bit [16:03] dive: kvm uses the modules 'kvm' and 'kvm-intel' or 'kvm-amd'. the kernel has kvm modules built in the the external modules are more updated. there are also a few kernel options that apply to guests which you wish to use virtual_io with [16:03] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-144-3.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:04] k [16:04] it's 82F and gusting 25mph right now [16:04] Old_Fogie: next time you visit a smoke-shop look for a rocky patel-box pressed-Edge. they are da bomb ( if you like a maduro stout smoke that is ) [16:04] 25mph winds are nothing to sneeze at [16:04] not to mention the humidity is 11% [16:04] geez i feel like a mummy [16:05] dew point is 22F lmao [16:05] 5 degrees here, -15 wc, foot of snow on ground, and 6-10" more tonight [16:06] tomorrow's supposed to be colder and 40 mph winds :( [16:07] I have compiz up and running really sweet using the stock compiz that comes with 12.2 without installing anything else. I know that compiz-fusion has more features and such but I am happy with what I have for now. I may write a little HOWTO since my notes are all there already, [16:07] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:08] I noticed that 12.2 comes with the compiz package but pat forot to put the sourse in source/ [16:08] sure it's not in 'x' section? [16:08] just an observation , he never leaves that out, dunno why there is no source.build-sripts for the compiz*tgz package with 12.2 [16:08] positive [16:09] i searche the world over and i thought i found true love pffffffffttttt [16:09] 'l' ? [16:09] not there [16:09] slackware-current/source/x/x11/src/app/compiz-0.7.8.tar.bz2 [16:09] ... [16:09] yes it is [16:09] well lookie here , maybe it was just on the mirror i was on [16:09] yea could be [16:09] oh , i said in 12.2 [16:09] that is 12.2.... [16:10] I've found that happening more often too for somethings [16:10] nullboy: it was -23 F here this morning ... windchill was -33 F [16:10] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:10] you guys have cold and i'm sweating it out in 82F with no moisture in the freaking air [16:11] nullboy: wanna trade ? :) [16:11] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/x/x11/src/app/compiz-0.7.8.tar.bz2 [16:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:12] well knock me silly =) there that damn thang is [16:13] Action: Old_Fogie knocks dtanner silly [16:13] ow, burned my hand on his stogie :) [16:13] Action: dtanner runs around the room and spins his 3d cube .. compiz is nice too =) [16:13] tomorrow we are slated to have some solid ocean swell start showing up and if these winds keep blowing the same direction it's going to be epic conditions [16:13] I need some coffee [16:14] http://www.stormsurf.com/page2/forecast/shortcast/scal.html [16:14] nullboy: does that spell "hotter" ? [16:14] rk4n3: when we get these "santa anna" winds they blow out to sea instead of in from the sea so when waves come in with wind blowing out, the wind holds the faces up longer and bigger [16:15] it's happens like 3 times a year [16:15] nullboy: where are you with 83 degrees and low humidity and all that wind. Florida ? [16:15] dtanner: so cal [16:15] nullboy: ah, so huge waves [16:15] i see [16:15] rk4n3: yep [16:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:16] this wind will turn a 3ft wave face into a 6 ft wave face [16:16] it's awesome [16:16] is the weather too nasty for surfing, or do the surfers take advantage of those big waves ? [16:17] oh no i'll surf anytime there are waves [16:18] aha [16:18] short of a full out storm situation, it's almost always a go [16:18] this is why Cali is poor [16:18] surf, sun, warm air [16:18] ? [16:18] bizzle [16:19] acidchild (n=ash@208.92.235.204) left irc: "brb" [16:21] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-147-132.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [16:21] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:23] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:23] california is poor because we had insanely inflated real-estate that too many people over stretched to buy [16:23] ... sounds familiar [16:23] s/california/usa [16:23] haha [16:24] but california has the terminator as the governator [16:24] governor [16:24] "its not a tumor" [16:24] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] our former governor can beat up your governor [16:24] i always wonder if when he is touring the state in the helicopter...does he go "get to the copter!!" when it's time to leave? [16:25] haha [16:25] to the scharzw copter [16:25] (our former governor = Jesse Ventura) [16:25] yeah [16:25] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:25] he flew in the same copter that governator did.. in predator!!!!111oneoneone [16:26] lol [16:26] "I ain't got time to bleed - or lower taxes" [16:26] lol [16:26] when slackpkg upgrades where does it get the packages? [16:26] LnxSlck: from mirrors [16:26] "They are trying to take my tortilla's!" [16:26] LnxSlck: i set mine up to get the packages from my own local mirror that i create with rsync [16:26] nullboy, but what directory? [16:27] LnxSlck: look in the config files [16:27] you'll see [16:27] nullboy, when running slackpkg upgrade-all i get the seamonkey 1.1.14 to upgrade [16:27] nullboy, but i went to the mirrors and i can't see it there [16:27] only in -current not in 12.2 [16:27] nullboy: question. I do not have an install cd for vista, it is on another partition already installed on this dual boot box , will kvm still run the os like I want ? [16:27] look in patches [16:28] dtanner: you can try but i don't know [16:28] dtanner: I believe there's some quirky stuff you have to do with hardware profiles in Windows to run off of a physical installation [16:28] nullboy, =) [16:28] dtanner: ... and that was for XP - I dunno about Vista [16:28] LnxSlck: on release versions the updates go into /patches:: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/ [16:29] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-0dfa727c727adad7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] nullboy, now i see.. so "someone" moves packages from -current to 12.2 patches? [16:29] no [16:29] they are done separately [16:29] nullboy, how do pacakges appear in 12.2 patches? [16:30] Pat builds them on a 12.2 machine [16:30] oh [16:30] so he's the only one responsible for that? [16:30] as far as I kno Pat is the only one who actually commits [16:30] i see [16:31] if more people got involved would slack have more packages? [16:31] more updated i mean [16:31] more updated how? everything is kept recent [16:31] i don't know but i don't *think* it works like that [16:31] sometimes less is more [16:31] fuzzbawl, pidgin 2.5.4 is out for a while now [16:32] it's been out 2 days [16:32] if by while you mean a few days, then yes :D [16:32] or pidgin 2.5.3 [16:32] that's just an example [16:32] stable releases only see updates for security reasons [16:32] that's it [16:33] rworkman and alienBOB help out with testing patches and whatnot, but the final packages are provided by Pat, AFAIK. [16:33] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:33] so every package in patches, is there because it's intended to fix security issues [16:33] LnxSlck, if you want current, get -current [16:33] stable can be updated for or an 'oopsy' which is rare such as the svgalib recently. [16:33] and mkinitrd :> [16:33] hiptobecubic, kinda a risky isn't it? [16:33] LnxSlck, you're talking about running just-released software. [16:34] I haven't experienced any problems with -current, for the record. [16:34] so, you want something completely up to date within a day or so of a release, and bug free? :) [16:34] LnxSlck, i'm on -current and haven't had anny problems. [16:34] hiptobecubic, yes.. i was just wondering how the magic works.. now i know [16:34] thrice`, isn't that called -current? loool [16:34] LnxSlck, -current is for current. versions are frozen at stability. [16:34] i have 12.1 on my server at home and -current on my laptop [16:35] hiptobecubic, yes. and -current is more intended for testers and such. i believe [16:35] LnxSlck, it's not like -current is full of beta software. [16:36] hiptobecubic, well yeah.. i also did run -current with no big issues. [16:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] hiptobecubic, but when i bought a new laptop 12.2 was just out, so i decided to try it [16:36] LnxSlck, it's for the kind of updates that you're talking about. Nothing full of horrible bugs is going to get put into -current. if you want to test the newest alpha release of some sketch thing, you can do that manually. [16:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:36] yes i see [16:37] josemanuel (n=josemanu@94.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:37] that's why i found -current more usable than many distros running "stable" [16:37] it's just more likely to have the latest version of something in it. [16:37] sherique_ (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:38] and then it gets frozen and becomes the next version.. more or less, i think. [16:38] after which, -current starts back up [16:38] yes [16:38] that's how i see it too [16:39] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] at work i'm running ubuntu [16:40] damn dependecy solver distro indeed is very bad [16:44] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [16:46] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-48020e1250676139) joined ##slackware. [16:47] according to slackpkg, -current is still using pidgin 2.5.2 [16:47] i just built my own package using the official buildscript and the new version source [16:49] hiptobecubic, sometimes i build my own versions [16:49] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-144-3.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [16:49] hiptobecubic, in this case it's nice to upgrade since there's an issue with connecting to msn servers [16:50] i'm trying the Vista KVM virtio net drivers now [16:50] seems much nicer than the crappy rtl driver [16:51] hiptobecubic, my advice is to explode slackware's copy of pidgin to some dir such as /tmp/pidgin-stock-exploded ; then cd /tmp/pidgin-stock-exploded; then 'tree -inapugf -o ./file-list-stock.txt' ; then follow similar steps of your new package, including tree. then sdiff the old and new file lists. also sdiff the doinst.sh of each version. I say this becuase pidgin can be odd on upgrades w.r.t perl pod's and what not. don [16:51] t forget you should probably rebuild pidgin encrypt. [16:52] pidgin imo, it's not always just as simple as changing the version number in the buildscript and then "let her rip" [16:52] Old_Fogie, i don't use encryption with pidgin. I'll jot this down though incase it fails. I haven't had any issues yet though [16:53] also, i didn't know about 'tree'... [16:53] hiptobecubic, ok.. if anything I'd 'bash -x pidgin.SlackBuild 2>&1 |tee /tmp/build-pidgin-log.log' so you get a builld history, and grep for 'Error' and make errors and what not. [16:54] hiptobecubic, I *always* use tree before any makepkg; I use a sed command on every slacbuilds.org script or alienbobo script ; it's nice, get's me the symlinks too :) [16:54] yeah, tree is a really sweet little convenience sometimes [16:55] i really need to spend some times learning my way around bash scripting. there are so many little gnu tools that i just don't use/know about [16:56] i can use grep and awk (poorly) and tr but i haven't learned sed or tee at all [16:56] Old_Fogie, i also just change the number version in the slackbuild.. loool [16:56] which is dumb because i see sed all over the place [16:56] Honestly, I wish the slack community / Slackware did tree as a standard prior to makepkg ; (but that's just me). I'd think there would be *alot* of less errors across the board. It's nice tool, combined with 'cut' and what not, you can really hunt down wrong permissions, etc. [16:56] diff and see which files are gone, new, lost.. [16:57] wait, so tee just duplicates stout to a file? [16:57] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.46.228) joined ##slackware. [16:58] evening [16:58] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] hiptobecubic, the bash -x shows the commands on screen that are called by the buildscript, the |tee line there logs all the screen commands, the configure, everything that's invoked by the buildscript to be logged. really comes in handy for build ssystems, or building in screen. [17:00] etc [17:00] hiptobecubic: or to another terminal if you know how [17:00] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI [17:00] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Ubuntu and Dell Girl drops out of College [17:00] that slashdot article? [17:00] Old_Fogie, that's pretty bodacious. I didn't know that bash -x did that either. [17:01] apparently a few months of slacking just isn't enough! [17:01] hiptobecubic, if you ever used alienbobo's scripts you'd see that he uses that methodology for the 'most' part as well. it was his scripts that got me hooked on it [17:01] that girl is nothing but a scab looking for a lawsuit to create her "big break" [17:02] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:02] i was thinking that it proves a point that many places are bias towards ms windows locking out other OSs [17:02] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-176-73-197.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] what about all the other people who use ubuntu just fine? what does that say about this girl? [17:03] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [17:03] did not know about that [17:04] she has a verizion ISP that wont let her online until she gets ms windows, she should just switch ISPs [17:04] that's bullshit too [17:04] verzion wireless broadband works just fine with ppp [17:04] a youtube video is out for the Girl and Ubunut, Dell, Verizon. [17:04] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] *Ubuntu [17:04] hmm, nullboy i guess you are right, she is a gold digging scab [17:05] lol [17:05] the problem was not ubuntu, the problem is a person who didn't read what she was buying [17:05] it's that simple...if you want windows fine, just order it with windws [17:06] if she was unable to read what she was buying there is no way in hell she will read a manual or a help file [17:06] I posted a comment on the video nullboy. Ubuntu wasn't the problem. [17:06] it's unfortunate that *any* distribution takes heat from people like that [17:07] now this person is going to create some federal circle jerking case about how baddzorz leenuchs is [17:07] the funny part is that she "accidentaly" got Ubuntu from Dell. [17:07] yeah bullshit [17:07] she didn't read what she bought [17:07] i think it's funny that the article is marked under "entertainment' [17:07] true [17:07] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] How do you "accidentally" order a computer from dell with anything other than MS [17:08] oh shit, google notebook is going down [17:08] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] all your notes are belongs to /dev/null [17:09] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:09] hiptobecubic, actually not if you already have one [17:09] Action: Camarade_Tux goes back to work [17:09] Camarade_Tux, oh? i didn't read it very deeply. i just started clicking 'export' [17:09] lol [17:09] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:10] mordy (n=mordy@pool-68-160-226-210.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] hiptobecubic, it will just be impossible to have new users [17:10] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [17:10] Camarade_Tux, oh well that's fine. forget them anyway. [17:10] hehe, just the same ;) [17:11] Action: Camarade_Tux needs a pocket condom [17:11] a condom for pockets that is [17:11] umm [17:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:11] no probing pockets allowed [17:11] I have condoms [17:11] preferably something in leather or anything more resistant [17:11] lmao straterra has condom on notify [17:11] hahahah [17:11] I have nonlatex condoms [17:12] those freaky sheep ones [17:12] hell no [17:12] Those are expensive [17:12] LifeStyles SKYN condoms [17:13] you never know who those sheep have slept around with [17:13] i should check /. more often.... qt is going free? [17:13] actually I just needed something that would prevent my pockets for being pierced but... [17:13] hiptobecubic, lgpl [17:14] Camarade_Tux: I have condoms that will make your pockets cum proof [17:15] straterra, I wanna see a demonstration first, hmmm, maybe you can upload a demo video to youtube ? [17:15] hey, is there some ui that would let me browse the package list? [17:15] mordy, pkgtool [17:16] well, the question then is which directory do i point it to [17:16] i don't have a cd, so i'd be wanting it to browse the contents of ym mirror [17:17] Camarade_Tux: sure! http://video.xnxx.com/video56110/condom_drops_of_inside_the_pussy_after_cumshot [17:17] :) [17:17] Action: hiptobecubic wonders how this will affect gtk apps... [17:18] hiptobecubic: qt was always free [17:18] but first time they actually opened up the development repo [17:18] dTd (n=dan@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [17:19] but you couldn't write a commercial app in qt without paying for a license [17:19] anyway i'm going to go eat. [17:20] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] [ in bed ] [17:20] they still have their commercial licenses [17:20] :D [17:20] Action: Camarade_Tux is going to click on straterra's link [17:21] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:21] commerical license is pretty much just support now [17:21] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [17:21] mordy, "ym mirror" ? [17:21] but pretty sure most knew this was coming when nokia bought trolltech out [17:21] my [17:21] * [17:22] ok, I feared the "yum mirror" ;p [17:22] straterra, this is some terrible porn, my friend. [17:22] I browse them by hand, reading .txt files [17:22] (no, not porn sites ;p ) [17:22] lol [17:22] haha [17:22] hiptobecubic: no such thing [17:22] yeah, watching the binary output from a porn movie [17:23] asci porn [17:24] hmm... so i can't just point pkgtool to some catalog file? [17:24] straterra, i beg to differ. I think you've found some. [17:24] There is no such thing as bad porn [17:24] hiptobecubic, sun, redhat and novell among others are behing gtk, i dont think it'll suffer [17:24] lmao [17:24] mordy, no, pkgtool will only let you see the packages already installed [17:24] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] you can have a qt-free computer, you can't have a gtk-free one [17:25] and this is a linux related channel, i dont see what porn has to do with anything here [17:25] Action: mordy has a QT-free computer [17:25] sure you can [17:25] use windows :) [17:25] nachox, well that's good, i can never get my colors working they way i want. [17:25] in qt [17:25] it irks me to no end [17:25] QT is just ugly [17:25] i friggin' think it's hideous [17:25] Just for that, I'm going to build a GTK-free computer. [17:25] Action: nachox likes qt [17:25] lol [17:26] it's smooth, but the same way osx is, which i could live wiht out [17:26] QT4 is sexy. [17:26] I went qt-free just to check I could make a complete live cd without qt and not miss apps [17:26] the only thing i use with qt is skype [17:26] and because most often the qt apps have a 'k' in their names... [17:27] skype being an example >< [17:27] because most QT apps are kde apps [17:27] lol [17:27] "common" [17:27] and i couldn't stand their colors so much that i BUILT QT4 myself so that i could use the non-static version [17:27] skype is so cool [17:27] There are plenty of non-KDE QT apps. [17:27] wkow updated their one story now [17:27] i'd rather be using ekiga, but no one else uses sip [17:27] well, of course; but kde still takes the cake [17:27] also skype has the cheapest pc to phone rates i can find [17:28] (the rotten stale cake, that is) [17:28] http://qt-apps.org/ [17:28] straterra, I had forgotten your video, I take it is you acting on it ;p [17:28] jkwood, you mean qt-kapps.org [17:28] skype doesn't have very cheap rates for many destinations, but the quality is very good [17:28] for landlines, they are usually 2¢ a min or so [17:29] there are cheaper methods; but they end up being more expensive when each person on the line must repeat himself 3 times to convey anything legible [17:29] hiptobecubic; depends to where [17:29] mordy, skype's firewall poking is good too [17:29] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] mordy, well of course. but unless you're calling a cellphone in the gaza strip i find them pretty reasonable. [17:29] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Skype actually works through our school firewall. I was amazed. [17:29] jkwood, right but when using qt apps on linux outside of kde, I find you don't really feel home, there's something strange [17:30] a cellphone in the gaza strip isn't that expensive actually [17:30] hiptobecubic: yeah with a fallback on port 80 that's not exactly rocket science? ;-) [17:30] Zosma, then why isn't anyone else doing it [17:30] i think it's 18c/min, which is decent [17:30] Because they are stupid? [17:30] mordy, yeah i haven't checked. it just seemed like a good guess :D [17:30] I dunno :-) [17:30] QT 4 is addressing that issue nicely. [17:30] Zosma, right well, i'd say they are doing pretty well. [17:30] hiptobecubic, a landline would be virtualyl free though, to the gaza strip that is [17:31] hiptobecubic: Yeah it works alright, they do more than only falling back on that port of course. [17:31] or very cheap altogether [17:31] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [17:31] http://www.skype.com/prices/callrates/ [17:32] the 970 country code is not in use yet; so gaza's communication services are largely provided by bezeq and carry one of their area codes [17:32] 2.1¢ for all kinds of places [17:32] i.e. 972-9 perhaps [17:32] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:32] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] i'm not sure skype tells you the rate during the call though, which is annoying [17:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:33] i've never actually sucessfully used sip. everyone i know has skype. i have no idea if sip sucks or not [17:33] i've used a sip gateway [17:33] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] i doubt anyone will be able to call in through my school's nat/firewall though [17:34] you can get free phone numbers and forward it to a sip gateway :D [17:35] and since calls from a regular landline are generally cheaper to the US than to other countries, it's a good solution if your'e in the third world and need other people to contact you [17:36] Action: hiptobecubic wants to know more about this.... [17:36] free numbers? [17:36] wat? [17:36] Action: mordy hasn't gotten a phonecall in a few months; then again, he hasn't had a phone number in a few months either [17:36] hiptobecubic, there are some places online that give you a 360 area code [17:36] www.ipkall.com [17:36] that's the site [17:37] I think there are others, and there's one in the UK too. [17:38] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/skype/sip-to-skype-gateway-breaks-skypes-great-wall-of-voip.asp [17:39] interesting, although not ideal. [17:40] diabolix (n=jsoyke@c-67-165-58-144.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] meh, i hate talking anyway [17:40] VieQ (i=VieQ@41.233.16.49) joined ##slackware. [17:41] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.252.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:41] rob0, do you use ipkall? [17:41] i used to use it [17:41] here is what it looks like right now, tomorrow i'll post again http://cdip.ucsd.edu/?nav=recent&sub=nowcast&xitem=socal_now [17:42] you'll see the insanity [17:42] I do ipkall, yes [17:43] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [17:44] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:44] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] there must be some kind of ui to let me access the list of packages that slackpkg reads from [17:44] rob0, when it asks for you sip #... is that supposed to be some real-world working phone number that you paid for or what? i'm new to sip [17:44] hiptobecubic, you need to register to a sip service [17:45] which is typically free [17:45] i have an ekiga.net account [17:45] as in sip:johntyree@ekiga.net [17:45] mordy: go look and see /usr/sbin/slackpkg: Bourne shell script text executable [17:45] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-70-26.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:45] hmm ok [17:45] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-13-10.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] um, either a sip proxy or your own SIP server (asterisk or equiv.) [17:46] vista just bluescreened in a VM after windows update [17:46] damn it [17:46] nullboy, that's pretty cool. [17:46] Note, ipkall is *only* inbound calls a/k/a origination. There is no free service for outbound (termination.) [17:47] at least bluescreen for vista is not death anymore [17:47] rob0, yes i'm aware. [17:47] (not without a lot of hoops to jump thru and limitations.) [17:47] but texting is free and then people can call you [17:47] nullboy: the bluescreening just means the emulator is accurate :) [17:47] kitche: yeah, but this was during boot. i power cycled the VM and it came back up fine [17:48] I pay $2/month and about 1.2c/minute for termination ... the most I ever paid in a month was around $10. [17:48] and I point ipkall to my own IP address [17:48] rob0, that's pretty nice. what service do you use? [17:48] asterlink.com [17:49] I get a toll-free number with that, too. [17:49] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] but that costs about 4c/min, so I never use it [17:49] VieQ (i=VieQ@41.233.16.49) left irc: [17:49] i need a faster laptop just for virtual machines now [17:49] cool, didn't know slackpkg was a shell script [17:50] rob0, registered as a small business? [17:50] lets redo it in C [17:50] I need a faster machine period :) [17:50] lol [17:50] then i wouldn't understand it [17:51] hip, huh? [17:51] rob0, i only see business plans here. ~2c a min with a flat 1.95/month fee [17:52] registered with whom/what? Oh, yeah, they're not really for home users, but they never kicked me out ;) [17:52] :D so did you sign up as a small business, then? [17:52] mordy: /etc/slackpkg/mirrors will tell you the http/ftp server where it looks for packages. Then just use a browser as your UI to look at the packages [17:52] I don't remember, this was years ago. [17:53] rob0, that would explain why you're paying half as much as they claim [17:53] all i need is some more sweet tee. [17:53] erm tea [17:53] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:53] oh maybe I do pay 2c/min, I am not sure. [17:54] now i'm going through the shell script [17:54] it's minimal [17:54] i feel like i need a lawyer and telecommunications expert here to help me with understand these specs [17:54] "6/6 increment for both termination and origination" [17:54] lol [17:54] just use text [17:54] don't yap on the phone [17:54] yeah, they bill in 6-second (0.1 min.) increments [17:54] rob0, ah ok [17:54] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] oh that's good. skype does 1 min increments [17:55] it does a lot to keep per-call costs down [17:55] rob0, yeah i imagine so. [17:55] i guess "install_pkg" is defined in slackpkg/functions.d/*? [17:55] this gives me a tiny bit more confidence in the system http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/15/195242 [17:56] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:56] nullboy, wow. i can't believe that was even an issue [17:56] cool [17:57] if someone arrested based on some proprietary shit you wrote and then refused to disclose, i'd probably be in jail for murder, not dui. [17:57] haha, but it's pretty old too [17:57] hiptobecubic: i damn well better get to see the source code that determined any possible guiltiness [17:57] OK, let's see if openssh dies, if I let slackpkg upgrade openssl logged in with openssh... [17:57] what does "dui" mean btw ? [17:57] Camarade_Tux: driving under the influence [17:57] Urchlay: It won't. [17:57] Camarade_Tux, driving under the ifneiajfoejafieaf.... [17:57] drunken user interface [17:58] Camarade_Tux: there is also DWI (driving while intoxicated) [17:58] (DUI=gnome) [17:58] The old sshd will still run in memory until the last client disconnects. [17:58] ok, thanks a lot :) [17:58] Camarade_Tux: they are two different "levels" of fscked [17:58] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:58] jkwood: groovy [17:58] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:58] well, time to go eat, an hours ago. [17:58] lol [17:58] an hour* [17:58] bye. [17:59] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.37) left irc: "Bye Bye" [18:00] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:00] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-48020e1250676139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] OK... is there a way to tell slackpkg not to delete the .tgz files, after doing an upgrade or an upgrade-all? [18:02] got 2 machines to update, seems like a waste to have to download the packages twice [18:02] DELALL=on [18:02] change that [18:03] in /etc/slackpkg somewhere? [18:03] yeah, I see it [18:03] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] hmm.. so there's no way to locally browse the list of installable packages from a mirror? [18:04] i.e. i don't want to fire up a browser and browse the repository online [18:04] pull the changelogs from the mirrors [18:05] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/ChangeLog.txt [18:05] mordy: "slackpkg update", then "slackpkg upgrade-all", will at least show you a list of the packages it wants to update [18:05] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:05] what program is slackpkg using to display the list of packages in that neat ui? [18:05] dialog [18:06] unless you keep a local mirror of a mirror you will need to just write your own script to do what you want but to see new updates you will always need to hit the internet regardless of what actually does it [18:06] mordy: slackpkg install-new will show you a halfway decent list of not-installed packages. [18:06] mordy: that's nucurses [18:06] it's not curses? [18:06] mordy, slackpkg is bash/coreutils+ncurses, not much else... [18:07] It won't show things for disksets you didn't choose during install, though. [18:07] Pip (n=Guest@59.174.77.233) joined ##slackware. [18:07] I see that as a feature, not a bug. =) [18:07] but you can specify a diskset on the command line [18:07] True. [18:07] And you can specify packages to install as well. [18:07] cool, didn't know a thing like 'dialog' even existed [18:08] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:08] Pat loves dialog. And I can see why. [18:08] now i see it's on my debian system as well [18:08] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: ""[ in bed ] at last"" [18:08] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-13-10.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] all i want to do is see a local list of X packages available to install, and give me a dialog to select which ones i want [18:09] i think dpkg also uses it [18:09] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-9-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] makes sense [18:10] dissociative (n=ubuntu@adsl190-28-206-250.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:11] and while slackpkg generates a dialog when i do slackpkg install xorg, it doesn't give me anything when i do install libX* [18:11] hba (n=hba@189.188.200.215) joined ##slackware. [18:12] is there a package named libX* or just a file? [18:12] i'm using * as a wildcard here; there are several packages called libX* [18:13] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [18:13] hey guys I tried plugging another bt878 pci tv card in my system and still gets random segfaults of at boot, and even blacklisted bttv and bt878 and same thing... this is driving me mad [18:13] jkwood: Pat is dialog's co-author of old... [18:14] though I can boot from linux livecds fine [18:14] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Pip (n=Guest@59.174.77.233) left irc: "Leaving" [18:16] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] dissociative: using generic or huge slackware kernel? [18:17] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] generic [18:17] oh. I was just going to say "try using generic" :( [18:17] should I try booting with the huge kernel? [18:17] lol [18:18] try it I guess, but it's not a permanent fix [18:18] roccity (n=roccity@125-238-184-41.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:18] (it may not even be a temporary fix) [18:18] Nick change: roccity -> roccity_ [18:18] I have tried with two brands bt878 cards and same results [18:19] also I use a sata pci adapter in the pci slot of the middle [18:19] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] are you sure it's using the bt878 driver and not one of the related ones like cx88? [18:19] ks [18:19] yes, I have used the card with mplayer when I was able to boot [18:19] ah [18:20] so you had a working setup, and one day it broke all by itself? or it broke when you changed something (upgrade kernel maybe?) [18:20] its just that random stuff segfaults at 0xffffffdf, like modprobe, iptables, init, X11 etc [18:20] failing hardware? [18:20] (just trying to get a feel for what's going on here, not pointing accusing finger or anything) [18:21] straterra: two different card brands are producing the same effect... [18:21] and its not faulty memory [18:21] does it stop segfaulting completely, if you boot with nothing in that PCI slot? [18:21] but I'm really getting tired of telling this tale with all detail from beginning to end [18:22] only if the tv cards are not in the slot [18:22] pastebin it :P [18:22] ooo tales. I love stories! Tell us again! [18:22] maybe the slot is damaged? [18:22] alienBOB: Well, that's as good a reason to like it as any. =) [18:22] I have used the pci sata adapter in that slot I think without problem [18:23] and I dont see any shared object or whatever mapped to 0xffffffdf [18:23] how can I find what can be residing in that address [18:23] what if you try the tv card(s) in a different slot? [18:24] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.252.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:24] anyone been able to compile VMware-server-1.0.6-91891.tar.gz on 12.2 running stock kernel 2.6.27.7-smp ? [18:24] josemanuel (n=josemanu@94.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:25] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) joined ##slackware. [18:25] I have three slots and I had swapped it, it is now in the opposite slot trying to figure if it can stop [18:25] dtanner, haven't tried it [18:25] dtanner, i use virtualbox [18:25] I have the sata adapter in the 2nd slot [18:25] LnxSlck: did you get your virtualbox from SBo ? [18:26] I was thinking about trying a pci modem to see if I get something like that [18:26] dtanner, no. i use the one from virtualbox [18:26] dtanner, because of the usb support [18:26] apparently slackpkg reads from /var/lib/slackpkg/slackware-filelist.gz; now the search function will find any entry relating to the header encased in ./ ./ tags [18:27] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:27] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:27] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [18:27] I will try booting with the generic kernel then [18:28] holdmypocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Connection timed out [18:28] erm, huge [18:28] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:28] that's what she said [18:29] also I have searched in google about these errors and I have found nothing... [18:34] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) joined ##slackware. [18:34] I just repartitioned and reformatted my usb hard drive. I did both of those operations as root. Now, when hal mounts the drive, the normal user doesn't have write access to the drive [18:35] Do I need to reformat as regular user? [18:35] Action: bombuzal licks phrag [18:37] nathanbw: no [18:37] CaMiKaSe (n=CaMiKaSe@201-95-75-133.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:37] s0ttle, cool. What's the next step to enabling my normal user to write to the drive? [18:37] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.154.205) left irc: "Saindo" [18:38] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:38] nathanbw: remount it and use -o users [18:38] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Is there a way to tell hal to mount it with the correct options? I don't mind mounting manually, but hal seems to manage my other usb drives with no interaction [18:40] nathanbw: yes, use fstab [18:41] nathanbw: edit /etc/fstab [18:41] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [18:41] impulse (n=impulse@unaffiliated/impulse) joined ##slackware. [18:41] s0ttle, thanks [18:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:42] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:44] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:44] nathanbw, read it first [18:44] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#FILESYSTEM-STRUCTURE-MOUNTING [18:47] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:50] A\giofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] roccity_ (n=roccity@125-238-184-41.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left ##slackware. [18:53] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:55] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-201-17.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:55] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [18:56] now I unplugged the card and slackware booted perfect [18:59] dissociative (n=ubuntu@adsl190-28-206-250.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:01] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.70.17) joined ##slackware. [19:03] best t-shirt ever http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/blingbling/ [19:03] lol [19:03] lmao [19:04] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [19:04] now my gf wouldnt like that [19:04] Nothing (n=algorith@75.15.214.7) joined ##slackware. [19:04] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "Leaving" [19:04] she likes KFC? [19:04] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-201-17.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [19:04] jinx dont have any good ones any more [19:05] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] CaMiKaSe (n=CaMiKaSe@201-95-75-133.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:05] greetings and salutations [19:05] she aint black [19:05] lol [19:05] hahahahaha [19:05] wow that was a whole new level [19:06] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> slackpower [19:06] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.70.17) left irc: Client Quit [19:06] i think she needs this shirt then http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/the-black-man-is-keeping-me-down/ [19:06] lmao [19:06] my new nick [19:06] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.70.17) joined ##slackware. [19:08] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] unregistered too. nice [19:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [19:11] what's the package for the default fonts X uses? [19:12] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [19:12] I wouldn't know without looking through all the ones in x/ ... I do a full install. [19:12] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] i can't afford that with 4 GB of disk space [19:12] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) joined ##slackware. [19:12] what is it, Eeepc? [19:13] no, it's an old thinkpad with a CF [19:13] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:13] it's crap, but it has a nice keyboard [19:13] you can get a decent-sized 2.5" HDD for around US$50 or less [19:14] i have a few, but i don't want the heat [19:14] ah [19:14] and besides, if you already have a CF card laying around... [19:14] or a bigger CF :) [19:14] anyway, life's tough without full install, but it can be done. [19:14] yeah, X seems to be working fine, but it won't load without the fonts [19:15] just read all those package descriptions [19:15] and searching for some of the font names X gives me, i get a few packages [19:16] i wish i could shut up this fan, i'm guessing it's probably the heat caused by the wifi card [19:17] and the cardbus nic [19:19] ah, there's our daily "Freenode sucks" message from Christel [19:19] hmm... i can choose from font-adboe, bh and bitstream [19:19] lol [19:19] how nice [19:19] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] wow wkotv took that one story down now lol [19:19] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [19:20] kitche, lol [19:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [19:21] perhaps mordy forgot to run the 05.fontconfig thing after setup? [19:21] try pkgtool / setup [19:22] hmm.. [19:23] just did it, but same problem [19:23] what are you trying to do ? [19:23] just get X to work [19:23] did you install all of x/ ? [19:23] no, i'm installing it manually [19:23] don't [19:24] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [19:24] it needs at least 90 components or so [19:24] well, i've gotten up to the stage where X at least flickers the screen and i see some garbage before it quits [19:24] so i consider that an accomplishment [19:24] I am working on some scripts and I don't have enough data from my log files in /var. Are there any public sources of log files for analysis? [19:26] and it can't find the font "fixed", which is probably an alias in xorg.conf for something else.. maybe i'll see exactly what it wants [19:27] it's also trying to load OTF fonts, but the only OTF fonts i see are syriac and ge'ez [19:27] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-82-20.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:27] (which i think is cool, but latin would be nice too, eh?) [19:27] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [19:31] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-7cda742ade1dccca) joined ##slackware. [19:31] mordy: have you deleted some "Fontpath" entries in xorg.conf? maybe that could help you to make it work with few fonts. [19:34] ugh, this xorgconfig is a waste of space [19:34] lol [19:34] ... our daily "Freenode sucks" message from Christel [19:34] what did you mean? [19:36] pi31415, i suppose its some fun you get if you allow wallops [19:36] pi31415: meaning the freenode irc network has a maddening amount of trouble staying connected, and Christel is the admin that usually sends out messages when trouble strikes [19:37] lately that's been daily [19:37] I don't like that I have to register to send private messages. [19:37] otherwise, freenode treats me well [19:37] i don't think you have too.. [19:37] oh wow, they removed that restriction! [19:38] pi31415: it is probably to prevent or slow down drive by spammers [19:38] You can specify that unregistered users can't send you messages. [19:39] What is the "svn" tool? subversion......? [19:39] Is it something like wget or slack-get? [19:39] kleanchap, like git/cvs [19:40] source/revision control [19:40] edman007: Thnx. I haven't used git or cvs either. :-) [19:41] This is something like patch management. [19:41] Something like that. [19:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control [19:41] It keeps a history of your changes. [19:41] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [19:42] i have got to get this tshirt http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/mens-t-shirts/design/10276920 [19:42] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] lol [19:42] ieee1394>usb [19:42] usb sucks [19:43] usb 3.0 looks hot [19:43] i also like this one http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/theres-no-place-like-home-white-tshirt/42127558 [19:43] the connection formerly known as usb [19:44] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-96-244-121-145.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] are there any tools that can utilize GPUs under linux yet? not for just graphics but other tasks [19:44] jkwood: Thnx [19:45] edman007: Thnx [19:45] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:45] nullboy, opencl [19:45] its starting to get some support [19:45] or are you looking for things that use opencl? [19:45] edman007: is there anything that can use it yet? something realworld [19:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:46] FAH is all i know of.. [19:46] Hi all. Looking for some advice. Either my gtk & qt fonts are too small, or my firefox & seamonkey fonts are too big. This is a fresh install btw...any ideas? [19:47] Action: edman007 notes mugwort13 should disclose thats its slamd64 [19:48] Yes, sorry. It's slamd64 [19:48] Night :> [19:48] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] 12.1 [19:48] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) left irc: "Leaving" [19:49] mugwort13: we dont suport slamd64 here [19:49] erm :q! we dont support slamd64 here [19:49] why is x looking for a directory i commented out? [19:49] ok, thought I'd try here, I asked in #slamd64 but got no reply [19:50] Avelino (n=Avelino@201-42-28-159.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:50] thanks [19:50] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-96-244-121-145.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:50] and in fonts/OTF which is really strange [19:53] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [19:54] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [19:56] edman007: they updated the blog they had and says how mean can Ubuntu users get? VERY! [19:57] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:58] lol [19:58] link? [19:59] http://addins.wkowtv.com/blogs/behindthenews/ [19:59] they also post comments from people and flame them back lol [20:01] and they thank everyone for all the traffic [20:01] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-82-20.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [20:04] kitche, heh, wow, anyways, IMHO, that reporter should have had someone with computer experience review it, and its inexcusable for someone going to college to not get help (people always tell me your suppose to learn how to learn in school), but its a big fat F for everyone [20:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:05] F for everyone, hehe I like that [20:05] well they have a follow up story as well [20:05] video [20:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:05] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:05] they got 150k hits on the story [20:05] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] yea, i don't blame anyone for not knowing, but i do blame them for not looking for help [20:06] people's republic of madison? [20:06] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [20:06] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:06] thats the biggest problem with the average person, they can't help themselves, and people like developers tend to overlook those things (like how to get help) that the devs take for granted [20:07] Anyone know a good lawyer. I ordered a computer, and lo and behold, when it came it had this OS called "Windows" on it? I find it doesn't support standards, and I have a hard time getting all of my work done. Anyone have a name or number :) [20:07] lol [20:07] rofl [20:08] Old_Fogie, what about the part where you said you don't want it, and they gave it to you anyways, and they claim you can't remove it [20:08] Yeah , all these pop-ups, and these things down in my tray near the clock, they keep asking me to verify I have some 'advantage'; and to update and upgrade and click here now to scan for virii, and find latest "drivers". "Drivers" <--- what are those? [20:09] edman007, exactly! [20:09] The worst thing is right, I downloaded a picture of my grandchildren..and now the PC wants to reboot for the "Settings to take effect" [20:10] can someone tell me if this root@slack:/etc/X11# grep fixed /var/log/Xorg.0.log [20:10] Maybe I'm supposed to "feel" better from seeing my grandkids when it reboots? [20:10] produces anythihng on your system? [20:11] mordy, did you upgrade your fonts? pkgtool..setup...font stuff in there? [20:11] my guess is you're looking for fixed fonts...? [20:11] i did mkfontdir and fontconfig [20:11] did you install the fonts in X? [20:11] old_fogie, i want to see what it's supposed to load, and what it's supposed to look like [20:11] mordy, if it says your missing the fixed fonts than you either don't have X installed right or you didn't run the pkgconfig font scripts [20:11] It looks normal when you do a full install :) [20:12] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [20:14] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [20:14] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:14] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [20:15] well, i'm doing a manual install [20:15] then you need to manually figure out what is wrong too [20:15] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Client Quit [20:15] now i'm poking in the /etc/X11 directories to see what it calls "fixec" [20:15] mordy, which is exactly why when doing such things (and I mean this nicely) is to not post a question in that way/shape/form to send others on wild goose chases un-needingly ya know. [20:17] well, all i asked was for a simple grep [20:17] bombard (n=casualty@adsl-71-134-232-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:18] Nick change: slackpower -> mrselfpwn [20:19] mordy is an alien that just landed, he is from another planet [20:20] ell I emailed that one anchor hopefully my email doesn't get deleted in all the spam they are getting [20:20] I'm confused trying to access an ntfs flash-drive. I added user to plugdev and able to access the data, but when I do "ls -l" it shows up as root:root and not user:group. Is it suppose to be like that? [20:20] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.157.175) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:21] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-7cda742ade1dccca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:22] umask ooo [20:22] umask 000 [20:22] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:22] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [20:22] that'll be rwx for all [20:23] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-ac96a96469e88e67) joined ##slackware. [20:23] yes [20:24] Action: edman007 touches mrselfpwn's bits [20:24] good luck heheh [20:24] yay open access [20:24] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [20:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:27] so did you guys hear about obama's portrait? [20:27] no [20:27] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:27] Did you? [20:27] it's a digital camera picture and has bunch of metadata in it [20:28] ok [20:28] like what ? lol [20:28] his underwear size? [20:30] bombard (n=casualty@adsl-71-134-232-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [20:30] I think I'll fondle my new IPv6 ip [ in bed ] [20:30] pauldotcom.com has the information they mainly used it to show metadata [20:30] blood type, mothers maiden name, ssn, sexual preference, the usual [20:31] mainly about security really [20:32] Wow, he uses a mac. [20:32] man no ubuntu users wants to talk about the story it seems ... [20:32] mrselfpwn: well the photographer probably does since it's wonderful for that [20:33] Avelino (n=Avelino@201-42-28-159.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:33] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:33] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:33] hba (n=hba@189.188.200.215) left irc: "leaving" [20:33] kitche, no, obama uses a Mac [20:33] kitche: Some people showed their butts, others did the right thing, and in the end, we as Linux users have to clean up after a lot of raving lunatics yet again. [20:34] lol [20:34] man kitchen nightmares is such a good show [20:34] j0z (n=JESUS@201-25-141-182.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:34] at least I missed bush's talk [20:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) joined ##slackware. [20:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:35] Akuma3 (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [20:35] LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.183.130) joined ##slackware. [20:36] _NaCl_: Oh heavens. [20:37] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] so much useful info in that metadata like; Ó\¯1G:%Srè.ë+nº and [20:37] Profile Date Time : 1999:06:03 00:00:00 [20:37] 1999!!?? [20:37] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [20:37] that means he is from the past [20:38] Action: rob0 is from the past [20:38] Action: FriedBob is the cybernetic ghost of Christmas past, from the future [20:38] Action: Old_Fogie hums.."party like it's nine-teen 99" [20:38] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [20:39] it is "The Man" and has has come to the future to bring down the Obama administration. [20:39] One could hope. [20:39] lol [20:39] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Fogy, did you party in 1999? I didn't, I was too sore. [20:39] but..but..but the "mannah from Heaven"...you don't want that :) [20:39] LastPride (n=andrekgl@89.214.183.130) left irc: Client Quit [20:40] heheh [20:40] rob0: I couldn't tell ya to be honest. [20:40] I did [20:40] lucky if I find my way to the bathroom, let alone 1999, heh [20:40] and they played that song [20:40] Old_Fogie: how come that mannah smells like bird crap? [20:41] XGizzmo: becuase you're a cruel "conservative" , tisk , tisk on all us conserv's :) [20:41] ///end-partison fogie :) [20:42] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@173-22-140-209.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:42] heheh [20:45] Old_Fogie is The_Man in disguise. [20:45] mrselfpwn: heh, not me, nope. Don't need my help to bring it down, he's doing just f-i-n-e on his own :) [20:45] lol [20:46] oh yes, and he's not even in office yes :D [20:46] yet* [20:47] actually, a little frightening now that I think about it. I have a plane flight on the 20th. [20:48] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] mrselfpwn: yes ironic isn't it, it wasn't even 3/4 days ago'ish that the FAA came out and bragged about no accidents. /me looks to the sky and says "When will they ever learn?" [20:48] right [20:50] .."We built this passenger party vessel...it's *unsinkable*!" [20:50] lol [20:50] do i need a cd to install the X directory? [20:50] err.. i mean pakcages [20:50] you could do installpkg /mnt/cdrom..../x/*tgz [20:50] Nope. slackpkg install /x should work. [20:51] Erm.... slackpkg install x [20:51] Akuma (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] Yes, that's the one. No slash. [20:51] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [20:51] i wish there was a list of minimal x dependencies [20:53] ok, i noticed that since i hadn't been using upgradepkg and instead installpkg that i had multiple instances of a package. Now i have wised up and use upgrade, though I want to see if I have any other duplicates from past installs. Where would i look? [20:53] maybe i'll just install tinyx, but i can't seem to get my hands on it [20:54] mrselfpwn: /var/log/packages/ [20:54] /var/log/packages? [20:54] ok, thank you [20:54] wanted to make sure the was correct [20:54] mrselfpwn: there's an app called fdupes works nice for stuff like that, as stated their in /var/log/packages; but a good tool to have none the less for down the pike. [20:54] Hmm... Probably ls /var/log/packages | cut -d - -f 1 | uniq [20:55] right [20:55] ls /var/log/packages | cut -d - -f 1 | uniq -d [20:55] Actually. [20:55] hmm.. would reinstalling the same package twice with slackpkg give me multiple instances of the same package? [20:56] no [20:56] Shouldn't. I believe it refuses to install anything you already have installed. [20:56] so after running that command, the output are my duplicates? [20:56] Yes, but with the warning that some are going to be dups. [20:57] hmm [20:57] I'd take that list, and 'ls /var/log/packages | grep $foo' to make sure. [20:57] Actually... what does ls /var/log/packages | grep -v i486 give you? [20:58] (I'm on Slamd64, so I can't verify this works.) [20:58] a list [20:58] Hmm... well, that's no good. [20:58] well [20:58] Wait, I have a Slack machine. [20:58] some are different type fonts [20:59] Yep. [21:00] i'm about to noobfarm that "a list" answer :P [21:00] lol [21:00] i don't feel like pastebin [21:01] I don't want it. ;) [21:01] I'm just trying to see if I can... Yes, I believe I can. [21:02] ls /var/log/packages | cut -d - -f -3 | uniq -d [21:02] That should do the trick. [21:02] 4 results [21:02] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:03] is there any logic behind slackpkg downloading and installing each package individually? [21:03] as opposed to downloading all the packages and only then installing them [21:03] PiterPunk would have to answer that, I think. [21:03] tango-icon-theme, font-adobe-utopia, font-bh-lucidatypewriter, and desktop-file-utils [21:04] mrselfpwn: ls /var/log/packages | cut -d - -f -4 | uniq -d ? [21:04] yest [21:04] no [21:04] who's piterpunk? [21:04] nothing for that one [21:04] mordy: perhaps? and I don't know .. it doesn't have logic at this time to 'ensure' you have the hard drive space to download all/everything then do? I'd think piter takes patches tho if you'd like to contrib :) [21:05] mrselfpwn: Alrighty. Well, then, I'd say those four packages are possibly dups. [21:05] gUILT-E (n=root@209-193-14-107-rb1.jnu.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Because that fourth version field should be a version. [21:06] I'd take the 4 results from -3, and ls | grep them just to be sure. [21:06] yes [21:07] Wait... Ah crap. [21:07] That's just a starting point. [21:07] i figured [21:07] 21:04 < mordy> who's piterpunk? <-- You didn't know? Piter Punk Picks a Packaged Package :) , kidding..he's the dev of slackpkg. [21:08] I'm trying to figure out how to automate this. [21:08] yes [21:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.157.175) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [21:10] There's just no decent way to do it. =/ [21:10] =\ [21:10] cough...fdupes..cough [21:10] lol [21:10] brb [21:11] Old_Fogie: That's a bad cough there. [21:11] aye, how true it is [21:12] Hold on... I win. =) [21:13] man, x is taking ages to download and install [21:13] wow, i was just browsing and discovered this really cool packages called fdupes jkwood. [21:13] i think it will do what we are looking for. [21:13] jkwood: sure there is: ls /var/log/packages/* | cut -d/ -f5- | rev | cut -d- -f4- | rev | uniq -d [21:13] ls /var/log/packages | rev | cut -d - -f 4- | rev [21:13] rworkman: Sure nuff, just tried it. =) [21:13] 5? [21:14] Action: jkwood tries that [21:14] None here :) [21:14] and that would work? [21:14] I think so. [21:14] Action: Old_Fogie tries to think of a rhyme to go with rworkman's post there for finding dupes [21:15] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.70.17) left irc: "Leaving" [21:15] Looks like it. [21:15] yep, it works [21:15] good [21:15] well i'm clean [21:15] already removed the ones i found anyway [21:15] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] rworkman: Permission to add that to my pkgscripts? [21:16] jkwood: um, sure. I borrowed it from somewhere iirc. [21:16] evenin [21:16] still gonna try out fdupes [21:16] hello tewmten [21:17] clijunkie (i=pberry@67.223.226.64) joined ##slackware. [21:17] damn, a flash from the past, hi tewmten! [21:18] hoi! [21:18] Im at conference trip with work [21:18] haha i got our CEO so stoned.. :D [21:18] LOL [21:19] and payroll people and some managers [21:19] anyone here use tinyx? [21:19] I was like "wtf you smoking?" [21:19] tewmten: moggeuh :) [21:20] BP{k}: goeiemorgen [21:20] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: "leaving" [21:20] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: "leaving" [21:20] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [21:25] gUILT-E (n=root@209-193-14-107-rb1.jnu.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:25] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [21:26] rworkman: http://www.slaxer.com/myscripts/pkgdupe =) [21:27] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:27] I really need to get around to packaging these things. [21:27] nice i just made one too, but yours is prettier [21:27] [ in bed ] :) [21:27] haha [21:27] lol [21:28] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [21:29] w000t [21:30] http://slaxer.com/myscripts.php for a small collection of fun scripts. =) [21:30] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-213-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] foureyes779, you have 4 eyes [21:31] yep [21:31] my late uncle gave me that name as a CB handle many years ago, and it kinda stuck [21:32] edman007: do you have a ps3? [21:32] my brother does, not me, so i don't have access right now :( [21:33] i want one just so i can but linux on it and play with it as a pc [21:33] I use mine to play games. it's more enjoyable [21:33] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:34] Action: jkwood comes over to thrice`s house [21:34] nullboy: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/evo_smart_console_playstation_competition [21:35] comes with linux [21:35] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] Action: jkwood notes the temperature outside and reschedules [21:35] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [21:35] http://www.evosmartconsole.com/ [21:36] Hmm... their graphics have a kind of "1995 3D" feel to them. [21:36] the evo? [21:36] Their website. [21:36] ahh [21:37] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:37] I'd like to have one, but I can't justify $500. [21:37] yes [21:37] Not when I have a decent gaming laptop on my lap right now. =) [21:38] but if I was considering one it would probably be that [21:38] i need a new laptop [21:38] my desktop is uber but doesn't help much when i travel [21:39] Hmm... I need to build my Xbox adapter for said laptop and use a "real" gaming controller. [21:39] that would be cool [21:40] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:40] <_NaCl_> Could always use a PS3 controller [21:40] mouse/keyboard for the 1337 [21:41] I only like gamepads on retro games [21:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:41] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:41] I have a PS2 and an Xbox, that's it. [21:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hello! [21:42] hey there [21:42] How would I go about fixing "usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster failed" messages that are showing up in my cups webadmin? [21:42] I do have a PS2-to-USB adapter, but the PS2 controller isn't that great for this kind of stuff. [21:42] right [21:42] nix_chix0r: o/ [21:42] for FPS games, personally i like mouse/keyboard, though it is not as nice to play on a laptop that way [21:43] jkwood, internets come to the house tuesday only took two months [21:43] FriedBob: i googled what you just asked and found someone had fixed it by a kernel upgrade. [21:43] satellite internet but internets no less [21:44] your data haz space coodies :P [21:47] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:49] Wow. I got DSL yesterday. =) [21:49] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.87) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:50] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.87) joined ##slackware. [21:50] oh [21:50] jkwood: Enjoy, man....there is no substitute for broadband [21:51] pjammer (n=nerb@CPE001b63f545f4-CM00194757e7b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] hitest: No sir. =) [21:52] :-) [21:52] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Gameover" [21:53] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [21:53] http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1232073622945.jpg [21:54] Action: edman007 wonders if its safe... [21:54] rofl [21:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:55] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.87) left irc: ":wq" [22:00] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [22:00] habaneros (n=habanero@43.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] habaneros (n=habanero@43.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:04] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] <_NaCl_> So why is this ##slackware and not just #slackware? [22:05] because this channel isn't official [22:05] based on freenode policy.. if the channel isn't official they get two # instead of one [22:06] <_NaCl_> Gotcha [22:06] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.97.126) joined ##slackware. [22:07] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [22:08] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.46.228) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [22:09] yeah, and my dumb IRC client got confused by that, first time I tried to use it on freenode [22:10] (I mean the dumb IRC client I'm writing, which is dumb because it runs on a machine with 48K of RAM) [22:10] fixed it tho [22:10] fred: So you change to console and then back to X after resume to make sure the cursor is visible after resume? [22:11] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) joined ##slackware. [22:11] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:12] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:12] KDE 4.2 Release Candidate available now [22:13] a new gnome release today too :) [22:13] oooo [22:13] nice :) [22:13] ...building :) [22:14] the difference is that I can update my kde build script with 1 sed command, and it will work :) [22:14] heh [22:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:15] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [22:15] thrice`, true..but gnome is a full working desktop :) [22:15] i use xfce [22:15] xfce is very nice, that's my desktop too mrselfpwn [22:15] hba (n=hba@189.188.200.215) joined ##slackware. [22:15] I havent tried the latest revs tho [22:15] yeah same here [22:16] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] Old_Fogie: if you haven't, try 4.2. it's awesome :> [22:16] I'm so hoping that kde4 will be 'middle of the road' on tabs..plus sign/branches and be really "newb" friendly, no joke, if it is..I'd stop building gnome. [22:16] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:16] oh i have 4.2 lol [22:17] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] yeah kde is nice at times [22:17] oh, and scale correctly on a netbook, as kde dev's hardcoded to many apps dimensions, and so kde is almost useless on a netbook. they claim the photon's gonna fix that, let's hope :) [22:17] on 3 version , kde is bad on netbook, hope 4 is good I mean [22:17] right [22:18] my wife is so lost in kde, it's almost a joke [22:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:18] SM177Y_ (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) joined ##slackware. [22:18] heheh, she likes it? [22:18] or literally lost? [22:18] litterally lost [22:18] lol [22:18] she cant figure out how to change wallpaper , nothng [22:18] NTFS (n=NTFS@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:18] NTFS kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Now you have another problem. [22:18] dang, i though kde was the easiest as far as that stuff [22:18] honestly, the "dumming down" in gnome, really "just works" for her [22:19] ah [22:19] to each their own [22:19] mrselfpwn, well once you get into kcontrol...she's lost [22:19] i see [22:19] Old_Fogie: does she know how to right click? [22:19] they have expanding branches, then tabs..then boxes to click , etc etc [22:19] i like gnome actually though only tried it once or twice [22:20] Old_Fogie: err I mean does she know right clicking normally brings up alternate options.. [22:20] yeah, kde can be confusing at times if you aren't used to it [22:20] especially with compiz installed [22:20] Wescotte, while I agree with that, the idea that kde takes way too much navigation for config is the whole reason gnome went that way and gnome lovers dont like kde for the most part. [22:21] mrselfpwn, yea if she changes the wall paper, then a few days go bye..she forgot how to do it again. [22:21] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.188.68) joined ##slackware. [22:21] lol [22:21] too much navigation [22:21] yes, that is the same reason i left kde [22:22] half of the preinstalled stuff I never used anyway [22:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:22] my favorite thing was the wide variety of games though :D [22:22] just the world we live in, not everyone can memorize fifty mouse clicks to change the wallpaper, heh [22:22] for installing security patches in slackware do I have to switch to single user runlevel? [22:22] I don't [22:23] usually no, although it would depend on the update. [22:23] Hell, I'll upgrade glibc-solibs in run level 3 [22:23] :) [22:23] Dominian: yes but you're all leet like that ;) [22:23] atom_fox (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) joined ##slackware. [22:23] yes Old_Fogie, that is my biggest strength and weakness sometimes; my memory. [22:23] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [22:23] it works when it wants to heh [22:23] mrselfpwn, but if kde4 is a middle ground, and suitable gnome replacement, I'm all over it..man would I like to not have to follow changes/dev/upgrades/etc [22:24] right [22:24] or, well thrice` could build it for me :) [22:25] i did not know about slackbuilds until recently. hahah i'm still a neophyte to slack [22:25] Old_Fogie: I'll be nice and build 4.2 for Slackware when it comes out. How about that? [22:25] mrselfpwn, actually of all my family, friends, there's only two that like kde as the wm. rest are xfce or gnome too as well. [22:25] jkwood, sounds good to me [22:26] Action: thrice` suspects Pat will [22:26] I'm trying to get "the gf" to use Slackware. With Songbird and KDE 4.2, I think I might stand a chance. [22:26] thrice`, build gnome? [22:26] woohoo! [22:26] what is Songbird? [22:26] thrice`: I think you're probably right. [22:26] Action: Old_Fogie puts down the crack pipe, heh [22:26] mrselfpwn: "iTunes killer" [22:26] anything that does that i like [22:27] I thought zune is the itunes killer [22:27] lol [22:27] hahah [22:27] omg when i found out songs self destruct in 3 days with zune i was like WTF [22:27] yea? huh. nope no mp3 doo dads here. [22:28] grandkids have a sandisk , works well [22:28] Old_Fogie: You're thinking the iPod. [22:28] yeah, i was in the market for a portable mp4 player [22:28] jkwood, oh [22:28] Action: Old_Fogie is nown known as iFogie [22:28] hahah [22:28] heh [22:28] and the zune's wifi feature sounded zippy [22:29] i've still yet to see on the shelve's here one that advertises ogg's tho. [22:29] until i heard about the (no suprise) microsoft catch [22:29] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:30] <_NaCl_> There are some cowon players that will play pretty much anything. [22:31] Honestly if I like an artist I will buy their cd and support them. Though if I want to listen to Simon and Garfunkel Mrs. Robinson, which I have owned on cd at one point anyway, it should not self destruct in 3 days. [22:31] yea? hmm I'll have to check em out. We put all my buddies bands (my favorite band) into ogg. Be nice to have em I think [22:31] <_NaCl_> Cowon doesn't try to lock out their hardware. [22:32] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [22:32] <_NaCl_> Which, in a world dominated by diePods, is a "feature" [22:32] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [22:32] yeah really [22:32] i always had a grudge against apple ever since quicktime 3.0 [22:33] i'm still fighting my ipod [22:33] i had to rockbox it because the firmware goes screwy when my harddrive has read errors [22:33] <_NaCl_> I'm waiting for someone to crack the encryption on the 2nd Gen Nanos. [22:34] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:34] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:34] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:35] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-72-47-34-211.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [22:36] eross (n=ronok@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:36] good thing or not so good thing? : http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F16%2F0044241&from=rss [22:36] hey, i'm running slackware 12 on ubuntu host. How can I get opengl 2.0 drivers, I only have 1.5 installed [22:36] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Gameover" [22:37] "feds plot massive internet tapping program" [22:37] my thoughts exactly lol [22:37] Good thing. [22:37] eross: intel ? [22:37] _NaCl_, seems that cowon is an e-tailer only device, not in brick n mortor. hmmm, I hate buying something like that and not giving it a once over . [22:38] But I don't have a tinfoil hat. [22:38] hehe [22:38] no, nvidia 8800gts but running slack on virtualbox [22:39] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] i'm trying to get around a firewall using ssh tunnel but i'm not sure i've got this right... can i just ssh -D and that will take care of everything? Or do i need ssh -L port:somekindofhostbabble:someport ? I read the relevant manpage section but i didn't quite follow it. [22:43] ssh -D will do fine. [22:43] yep [22:43] jkwood, ok danke [22:43] I use it all the time. It acts as a SOCKS proxy. [22:43] FF can use it easily, varying other applications work with varying degrees of ease. [22:44] <_NaCl_> Old_Fogie: I don't have one myself, actually. Just heard about it from a friend of mine. [22:44] i'm trying to use ekiga [22:44] i use it with firefox with a lot of success [22:44] but that's always for outgoing stuff [22:46] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.188.68) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:46] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.176.90) joined ##slackware. [22:49] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [22:49] nullboy: Your response to the slashdot article oddly was *exactly* what I was thinking. Word for word. [22:49] nullboy: Though I am certain we are not alone. Now if you will excuse me, I have to remove the fillings from my teeth so that Major League Baseball will stop reading my thoughts. [22:50] on a computer with 180 mb ram can i make the swap 512? or should i only do 360? [22:50] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.176.90) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:50] 256 should be okay inmo [22:50] thanks dude. [22:51] anybody know about qgit for slackware? [22:51] what's qgit? [22:51] qt toolkit gui for git repository [22:51] ah okay. hadnt heard of it so far :) [22:51] <_NaCl_> It's not on SBo [22:52] not on sbo [22:52] http://git-scm.com/tools [22:52] alisonken1home: Haven't messed with it. [22:52] Probably should. [22:53] sourceforge project page shows recent activity, plus it was registered on 2005-05-26 [22:53] there is a slackbuild for it at http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.0/utilities/qgit/1.5.8/src/?C=D;O=A [22:55] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.183.175) joined ##slackware. [22:55] slack-required for qgit at slacky - libXinerama >= 1.0.2-i486-1 ? [22:56] man... i can't kill ekiga [22:56] i don't get it [22:56] <_NaCl_> kill -9 [22:56] tried it [22:56] <_NaCl_> ? [22:57] <_NaCl_> Did the process go do "disk sleep"? [22:57] sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' [22:57] sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file [22:57] oops [22:57] john 5980 0.5 1.6 50792 32472 tty1 D 22:53 0:01 ekiga [22:57] john 6337 0.0 0.0 3264 1500 tty1 S 22:58 0:00 sh -c ps aux | grep 5980 [22:57] john 6339 0.0 0.0 2276 824 tty1 S 22:58 0:00 grep 5980 [22:57] pastebin ftw !! [22:58] i thought it would just be the one line [22:58] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-ac96a96469e88e67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] how does pkill differ from kill? [22:58] it is: sh -c "cmd param" [22:58] man i'm dual booting my 20 gb hdd on a 7 yr PIII. [22:58] <_NaCl_> pkill kills a process by name [22:58] <_NaCl_> I think [22:58] yeah [22:58] dissociative, i was doing /exec -o ps aux | grep [22:58] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] so pkill -9 ekigo [22:59] s/ekigo/ekiga [22:59] still not dead [22:59] killall -9 ekiga [22:59] <_NaCl_> I think the "D" is disk sleep [23:00] pkill -u will kill all process for that user [23:00] <_NaCl_> IIRC, processes in disk sleep are unkillable [23:01] mrselfpwn, that's not really what i want to do [23:01] at all. [23:01] i know [23:01] Guest38082 (n=michiel@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] though drastic times... [23:01] ;) [23:02] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-b24a2d8a991e0797) joined ##slackware. [23:04] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [23:04] i have a similar question actually. I run an opengl app in wine and it runs fine. I quit the app and then try to run it again i get "GLXBadDrawable" error. [23:04] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] I have to leave x and then reenter to be able to run it again. [23:04] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:04] killall -9 ekiga [23:05] Nick change: Guest38082 -> BP{k} [23:05] but only 1 time can i run it, then i get the error the 2nd time and have to leave x again. [23:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [23:05] Nick change: BP{k} -> Guest9861 [23:05] i think it is a nvidia driver issue [23:06] Guest9861 (n=michiel@buhkit.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:06] mrselfpwn: Latest driver? [23:06] yes [23:06] I updated recently [23:06] Hmm. [23:07] seems like something is being grabbed and not let go until X restart [23:07] there's no like.. kernel level ultimate doom bringer kill? [23:07] kludbk is the command i think :P [23:08] kludbk -9 [23:08] kludbk -666 [23:08] ah yes, that must be it [23:09] <_NaCl_> Aren't all of those signals sent from the kernel? [23:09] i don't know. what's this disksleep nonsense anyway? [23:09] vbatts (n=vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:10] <_NaCl_> The kernel thinks that the process is doing IO. [23:10] uninterruptible sleep [23:10] Nick change: vbatts_ -> vbatts [23:10] <_NaCl_> At least according to man ps [23:10] well i can't launch a new ekiga. i guess i have to reboot? [23:10] that's really lame [23:10] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [23:11] it's like nightmare on elm street linux kernel style [23:11] <_NaCl_> When I had one of those, I tried SIGSEGVing it [23:11] <_NaCl_> Wouldn't die then, either. [23:12] the swell is starting to come [23:13] http://cdip.ucsd.edu/?nav=recent&sub=nowcast&xitem=socal_now [23:13] Old_Fogie: SYN? [23:14] FriedBob, hello :) [23:14] ACK [23:14] :) [23:14] fail [23:15] Action: Old_Fogie tosses a snowball at hba :) [23:15] Old_Fogie: I got my DeskJet to print.. (well, it would have printed if it had ink) [23:15] Old_Fogie: Guess what the problem was? [23:15] yea I find that helps :) [23:15] FriedBob, what? [23:15] gs was failing because fontconfig wasn't installed. [23:15] I told you [23:15] Action: Old_Fogie hides :) [23:15] No you didn't. [23:15] hahah, [23:15] clijunkie (i=pberry@67.223.226.64) left ##slackware. [23:15] well glad you got it working [23:16] Now I need to see if I can get the other one working. 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[23:21] agentc0re: All I had to do was install fontconfig [23:21] FriedBob, I havent done a min install like that , but iirc I ?think? xpdf was needed a while back, just keep in memory banks fwiw, I may be wrong , but pretty sure [23:22] min install in a while I mean [23:22] FriedBob: thats good to know, put that shit on the wiki! :D [23:22] Old_Fogie: This was a full install - X and XAP [23:22] FriedBob, oh I thought you were "not" putting X in at all [23:22] minus, not dash [23:22] oh yea [23:22] Old_Fogie: I did a full install of everything except X and XAP [23:22] FriedBob, no I think one of the apps hooked to xpdf for postscripting stuff. [23:23] glad you got it tho, heh, you get a merit badge now :) [23:23] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) got netsplit. [23:23] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) got netsplit. [23:23] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) got netsplit. 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[23:38] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:39] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-9-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:41] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Client Quit [23:42] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [23:43] ** for those using kde4 from /testing ** i'm uploading to http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/ the latest build of kde-4.1.96 [23:44] 4.2 rc was released yesterday [23:44] Same thing. [23:44] ok [23:44] rworkman: Re that ^^ should be good stuff; vbatts is one of us "cardinal guys" :) [23:44] =) [23:45] cardinal sin! [23:45] if isn't good stuff, blame rob0 or rworkman [23:45] ;) [23:45] Blame rob0. [23:45] I deserve it. [23:45] sounds good [23:45] There's cardinal sin, but don't forget about pope tan. [23:45] hah [23:46] And just think, if I wasn't guilty this time, I've surely gotten away with it lots of times. [23:46] cos rob0 is guilty. [23:46] Action: Old_Fogie bookmarks http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/gnome/gnome-2.24.3-packages/ [23:47] hmmm [23:47] :) [23:47] Old_Fogie: did you actually go there? [23:47] in my world, we have big puffy white clouds, and blue skies all day [23:48] rworkman, no [23:48] even at night? [23:48] was just joking [23:48] Old_Fogie: you should. [23:48] rworkman: you tan(guilty)=rob0 that which approaches guilty [23:48] but never is [23:48] rworkman, hahqhahah! [23:48] lmbfao [23:49] (laugh my big fat ### off) :) [23:49] esom (n=Administ@58.47.114.131) joined ##slackware. [23:49] well, at least it was an ascii art of the middle finger :) [23:49] Old_Fogie: try again :) [23:49] LLNNN (laugh like nineteen ninety nine) [23:49] rworkman, hahah [23:50] rob0, hee hee [23:50] Oh, never mind. I'll stop trying to play in vbatts' ~/public_html/ - I feel bad already. [23:50] ouch [23:50] hi there, i have a pppoe connection problem, every time i [23:50] i actually had to double check that path myself, i didn't know if i had created such [23:51] upppoe-start [23:51] rworkman: if you would've put something there, i probably would gone crossed eye'd and had to step away for a minute [23:51] vbatts, we'll while you're in there .... [23:51] hee hee [23:52] everytime i established a connection via pppoe-start, it breaks down automatically after awhile [23:53] I'm using slackware 12.2, anyideas? [23:55] tulas (n=tulas@118-160-166-185.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] eseven73 (n=eseven73@unaffiliated/eseven73) joined ##slackware. [23:56] anybody use adsl? [23:56] hello,is there a channel related to lilo? [23:56] I do use adsl [23:56] My ADSL modem handles the PPPoE part for me. [23:56] i join #lilo then forwarded to #freenode [23:56] tulas: lilo is a supported part of slackware, so if you're using slackware you can ask about your lilo issue here [23:57] ok rk4n3 [23:57] what's the standard way to connect? [23:57] Oh, lilo, in freenode terms, that is the late founder of freenode. [23:57] Nick change: Akuma3 -> Akuma [23:57] pppoe-setup, then pppoe-start? [23:58] Standard way to connect to ADSL, read your ISP's instructions with a grain of salt. [23:58] ah, did not know that [23:58] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.177.81) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:58] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-213-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Levin <== lilo [23:59] rob0: it's my first time connecting to ADSL in linux, and ISP suggests windows [00:00] --- Fri Jan 16 2009