[00:00] firebird619: You have good taste. [00:00] Thanks. [00:00] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:00] i can't wait to get my studio gear set back up. I am thinking about turning my living room into the studio , remove couches tv etc adn put tvs in everyones bedrooms so i can have all the space in the living room =) [00:00] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] jkwood: So how are you doing? [00:01] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:01] dtanner: Sounds like a good idea, go for it. :) [00:01] I'm doing really well. Just had my birthday dinner with my folks... I'll have ribs for two days. =) [00:01] \o/ [00:01] firebird619: i have a Hammond B3 Classic organ, a digital full sized drum set , recording gear etc etc , i will need the room =) not counting guitar amps and such [00:01] birthday dinner! [00:01] jkwood: Oh, Happy Birthday. [00:01] firebird619: yeah , i will propose the idea to the misses =) [00:01] Is your birthday today, or just celebrating today. [00:01] happy bday nullboy [00:02] it's not my birthday [00:02] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:02] happy birthday nullboy! [00:02] i like getting bday dinners , you get all your favs [00:02] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] It was Thursday. Today was just convenient. [00:02] \o/ [00:02] any Makefile guru's? [00:02] YAY [00:02] dtanner: Ah yes. must get the approval of the misses. [00:02] dtanner: otherwise your stuff might end up on the front yard. :) [00:02] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:03] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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I mean I can always wake up and be 2 feet taller [00:09] "slackware" i suppose form the name of the channel! [00:09] panzer: :) Yeah, I guess. [00:09] stranger things have happened panzer =) [00:09] lol [00:09] you supposed correctly sir. [00:10] except 12.2 is so stable it is almost boring =) [00:10] dtanner: Stable isn't a bad thing though. I am running -current though. [00:10] dtanner: hehe. [00:10] Hi BP{k}. How's it going? [00:11] wow is that true about 12.2? im still on 12, 10.2 and 8.1 so far behind the times!! [00:11] baz12: 12.2 was released December 9, 2008. [00:12] baz12: Interestingly enough, all of those are still supported with security updates. [00:12] firebird619: yes, "so stable it is boring" it is a huge compliment =) [00:12] dtanner: Yes, it is. :) [00:13] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:13] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:13] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] I am still on 12.1 [00:14] yes that the support is great and that is one reason i like slak because i don't believe and i don' think it is necessary to continutue to update your system evey six months or less to have a stabel and secure system [00:15] that was fantastic. do you mind if we put that up on the official comment section? [00:15] Action: panzer hands baz12 a c [00:15] feel free! [00:15] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] greats! [00:15] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] Brother nullboy, I shall delegate that task to you. [00:16] i shall accept! [00:16] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:17] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] epoch (i=1000@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [00:17] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:17] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [00:20] http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-BEH-B1800XPRO-LIST <- Holy cow batmnan =) [00:21] I think the six month release cyele of several distos can put people off using linux becuase things are changing all the time. what do you lot think? [00:21] dtanner: Wow. That's a Subwoofer. [00:21] Depends on the distro, really. [00:21] Fedora is continuously breaking things, but that's kind of their definition. [00:22] dtanner: I mean that's a big subwoofer. [00:22] Ubuntu also is continuously breaking things, but that's more frustrating because they refuse to fix it. [00:22] dtanner: Is that the only your thinking of getting for your speakers? :) [00:22] one [00:23] Personally, I'll go with Slack's "When it's ready" any day. [00:23] in my experience, on each release things change and things stop working as they did so each time you have to painstaikingly reconfigure what you already had... at what benefit? [00:24] jkwood: That's one of the nice things about slackware, "When it's ready," that and no dependency resolution to mess things up. [00:24] thats not slackware by the way! [00:24] agrees [00:24] whenever it is possible, Slackware makes upgrades as easy as possible. sometimes it requires more work than others but adjacent version to version upgrades are usually fine [00:24] i agree [00:25] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:25] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) left irc: [00:26] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] i don't think certain other distos help the uptake of linux with such frequent and often broken releases for new users becuase new people think thay have to keep up with is and it can give a bad experience [00:26] firebird619: i am going to ad that to my existing Edirol MA-15. They have a dedicated sub woofer OUT jack that would hook right up to that sub =) Using them for studio monitors. [00:26] add* [00:27] dtanner: Wow. That's going to be nice. Oh yeah, and LOUD. :) [00:27] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:27] ogridd (n=ndambuki@196.201.210.241) joined ##slackware. [00:27] i just did something very bad [00:27] nullboy: what? [00:27] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:27] Are we going to have to redo your initiation? [00:28] i was looking through my old SBo archive and i came to one and i thought "i wonder if the maintainer of this one keeps it up to date"...and that maintainer ended up being me... [00:28] =) Those speakers , MA-15s are so good that i would reccomend to anyone of they want to even spice up their computer speakers to get those. super nice monitors. crystal clear. [00:28] AHAHAHAHA [00:28] that's bad right? [00:28] nullboy: haha. [00:28] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150040046.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] Probably. [00:28] nullboy: Well, have you kept it up to date? [00:29] apparently i have [00:29] it's looks current [00:29] nullboy: That's good. [00:29] yeah i think so [00:29] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:30] dtanner: If I may ask, how much did you pay for those MA-15's? Did you get a deal or pay full price? 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[00:38] gigabit vs wifi http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11051 [00:38] rsrs = lol [00:39] interesting typo [00:40] rbfg (n=wbb@83.212.57.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:40] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:40] firebird619: about 180 bucks IIRC [00:41] dtanner: Ok, Thanks. I was just curious. [00:41] np [00:41] I was looking around and found http://shop1.frys.com/product/4005092. [00:41] ogridd (n=ndambuki@196.201.210.241) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:41] i am looking hard at the berhinger monitors also to match up with the sub , i want to have surround in the studio so i want another set of monitors also [00:42] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] firebird619: these monitors to match up with that sub -> http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-BEH-B2030P-LIST [00:42] dtanner: WOW. They're nice. [00:43] dtanner: Would they be as clear as the MA-15's you have now? [00:44] nathanbw (n=nathan@67-60-226-125.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [00:45] i have not heard the berhingers , but they have close to the same specs and more power, usually studio grade monitors have superior sound quality yes. [00:45] alcck (n=duacbzny@201-2-30-223.pvoce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "CyberScript - the horny script (www.cyberscript.org)" [00:45] I love my Behringer Vampire. [00:48] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-191-222.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:48] is there a way to execute a script when the link of ethX interface goes down? [00:49] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left irc: "Leaving" [00:49] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:50] dissociative: cat /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier [00:50] udev could do it, maybe [00:51] or a script to poll that sys entry [00:51] dtanner: If I were to get a MIDI to USB cable. Would that work just as well, or not as good? [00:52] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:53] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "words of wisdom, yeah right. not from your mouth" [00:54] firebird619: I am a newbie to MIDI on instruments , but i will be experimenting and have been readin up on MIDI in general. Howver, i did see a MIDI USB convertor cable just now online at my fav music store [00:54] firebird619: let me get the link [00:54] dtanner: Ok, I was looking on ebay, $11.98 free S&H. [00:55] It says it has a built-in driver. [00:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Instrument_Digital_Interface [00:55] you should figure out what chipset it uses though [00:55] nullboy: Good idea. I hadn't thought of that. [00:55] it may be built in to the convertor(cable) like firmware i would have to look and see [00:56] the driver that is [00:56] dtanner: http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-MIDI-Cable-Converter-Connect-to-PC-for-XP-Vista-Mac_W0QQitemZ190293713148QQihZ009QQcategoryZ32833QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [01:00] nullboy: I can't find the brand of it, so it would be hard to find what chipset. The packaging in the pictures doesn't even have a brand on it. [01:01] I did find this: http://www.linux-usb.org/ezusb/ [01:03] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-58-215.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:04] EZ-USB Midi Project <- good find firebird619 [01:05] dtanner: Thanks. I just entered USB MIDI chipsets, and found that. [01:05] i am thinking that driver they talk about is builtin to the firmware and that standard USB-AUDIO in linux will pick it up [01:05] on that midi-usb convertor gadget we are looking at [01:06] dtanner: Ok, that's kind if what I was hoping for. That is the cheapest price I've seen for them. At store's and other sites online, they are around $30-40. [01:06] of [01:07] or it may use the EZ-USB Midi Project explanation [01:07] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:07] dtanner: Yes, possibly, but that is a decent enough price. [01:07] yup [01:07] caixabox_ (n=elcio@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:08] dtanner: and, if necessary, I do have a Windows box. [01:08] and it has MIDI in and out plus the usb connection [01:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:09] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] dtanner: Yeah. Roland and M-Audio make these cables too, but gosh they're expensive. [01:10] pew pew [01:11] sometimes you get whwat you pay for [01:11] anyything with roland or edirol on it is high quality audio products [01:11] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:12] mmm having pecan pie now [01:13] i really really want the R-09 Edirol pocket recorder and the behringer sub =) [01:14] dtanner: Get both, treat yourself to some new toys. [01:19] sounds good to me [01:19] :) [01:19] i am trying to find a price at musiciansfriend.com on the R-09 right now [01:20] Slightly On-topic Question: I'm building a box for Slackware for an office. It will be a multipurpose box (fileserver, DNS, firewall, and gateway to internet). I'll need 2 NICs. Preference: built-in, on-board NICs OR PCI/PCIe NICs? [01:20] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] pci because you can make sure you get the chip you want. [01:21] imho [01:21] So, both PCI? [01:22] otoh i haven't seen an onboard chip that was not supported in some time now, [01:22] i would [01:22] both pci yes. [01:23] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] I was thinking that way. I won't be anywhere near this thing, but I've got to support it. If a NIC dies, the PCI NIC would be easier to fix. Just replace it. Might even buy a spare to ship with the box to its new home. :) [01:25] true that [01:28] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:04] agentc0re|work, nope, 2am [02:04] Sun Mar 15 02:04:18 EDT 2009 [02:05] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [02:08] part [02:08] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-191-222.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [02:09] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:09] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [02:10] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-204-222.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:12] firebird619: i think i find a better woofer , this one is designed specifically for the studio. -> http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-B2092A-Studio-Subwoofer?sku=472371 [02:12] edman007: well 12am for me. [02:13] firebird619: I'm drunk and tired... Yes I've been drinking at work. [02:13] :D [02:13] agentc0re|work, clearly your clock is a bit off [02:13] edman007: I'm sure it'd be right on if i was eastern time. [02:14] maybe you need to move out of the past [02:14] dtanner: Nice. are you going to get that one then? [02:14] firebird619: yup [02:14] decided , i am going to order it now [02:14] agentc0re|work: drunk + tired + work. :) There's a nice combo. [02:15] been wanting a sub for the studio for a year now [02:15] haha totally. [02:15] dtanner: Good for you. :) Enjoy it, when you get it. I am contemplating ordering that USB MIDI Cable. [02:17] dtanner: Whoa. That's a nice sub. It matches those studios more too. I guess whether that matters depends on the individual person. :) [02:17] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:18] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [02:18] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:18] yes it matches them better in design also [02:18] the others were for pure wattage more for a live performance. [02:20] baz12 (n=opera@213-162-103-89.barryg172.adsl.metronet.co.uk) left ##slackware. [02:20] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:25] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:26] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-133.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:26] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:30] frullet (n=frullet@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] renew_02 (n=renew@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:32] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.20.83) joined ##slackware. [02:33] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. 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[02:46] all i know is its not the HDD [02:47] because this is the third HDD it has had, and it still clicks [02:47] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.20.33) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:47] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left irc: "Leaving" [02:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-76-64.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:48] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:50] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [02:50] hi :) [02:50] what's a simple program that'll allow me to watch cable tv? [02:50] Camarade_Tux: hey [02:51] tvtime works. [02:51] If you have a capture device recognized by v4l [02:51] Action: frullet just sold is video capture card [02:51] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:51] i just bought one today [02:52] Motoko-chan: thanks [02:52] np [02:52] There is the older xawtv, but it can be strange. [02:52] You can also use mplayer with the tv:// protocol. [02:53] Rudimentary, but can confirm all works. [02:54] antler: what card did you get? [02:55] Motoko-chan: tvtime's saying there's no signal... hm.. [02:55] frullet: the happauge hvr1600 [02:55] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [02:56] "cannot open /dev/video0 [02:57] module cx18 (lspci) is loaded [02:57] antler, lsmod |grep v4l ? [02:57] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:58] Camarade_Tux: yeah, it seems to be there [02:59] though i don't see anything with 'v4l' by itself. i see v4l1_compat [02:59] you can also have videoX with X being not 0, you can also miss a symlink (I've forgotten which though) [02:59] and v4l2_common [03:00] Camarade_Tux: so it could be that some file or other is pointing to the wrong video device? [03:00] is that what you meant above? [03:01] antler, do you have any /dev/video* ? sometimes it won't use video0 but video1 for instance [03:02] also, have you checked dmesg ? I had the driver of my webcam failing and managed to work-around it (it's a crappy driver, it's not even in the staging drivers menu) [03:02] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-81-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:03] Camarade_Tux: thanks. let me do a little digging here [03:04] also you can try a full, cold reboot (though I don't have any proof it will help but that doesn't cost much) [03:04] now, afk anyway ;p [03:04] :D [03:07] where is redtricycle! [03:07] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) joined ##slackware. [03:08] Motoko-chan: i incorrectly thought that mythtv allows you to watch cable tv [03:09] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] or does it? [03:09] antler: iirc, it does. [03:10] firebird619: oh [03:11] giuppy (n=giuppy@host38-165-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:12] antler: I am sure it does allow you to watch cable tv because it connected to Zap2It to get TV Guide info, etc. [03:13] renew (n=renew@adsl-67-127-191-81.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:13] antler: From MythTV.org. Watch and record analog and/or digital TV, including HDTV [03:18] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [03:18] firebird619: yeah, i remember reading something like that, and also how it is similar to the windows media center [03:19] Have you ever liked a Linux distribution but hated the people who hung out in its irc channel? [03:19] antler: Yeah. [03:19] godling, you hate us ? :D [03:19] the people in #archlinux are a bunch of 4chan rejects. [03:20] Camarade_Tux: Yes, I hate you specifically. :P [03:20] godling: 'hate' is not an adjective i apply to people on irc :P [03:20] antler: I mean it in a less hateful way than you probably think. [03:20] do people irritate me? hell yeah. [03:21] hehe no, not really [03:21] godling, I try to be a bit more unbearable everyday :) [03:21] The reason I came to slackware is it's a great distro and has the friendliest, most helpful people I have ever seen in IRC. [03:21] except for rworkman. he swore at me. :( [03:21] Action: Camarade_Tux can't open the jam ='( [03:21] haha [03:21] Camarade_Tux: kick it out! [03:21] done :) [03:22] firebird619: you sound like a commercial now :P [03:22] lol. Do I? [03:22] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:22] who likes the new xfce? [03:22] Camarade_Tux: You got it open? [03:22] godling: I do. [03:22] "with great service and the friendliest staff in the business, why not come on board?" [03:22] firebird619, yeah and it tastes great ^^ [03:22] firebird619: All my panel icons vanished. [03:23] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] antler: haha. [03:23] firebird619: The launchers were still there, but the only icons were Pidgin and the quit icon. [03:23] godling: i like it. i'm using it right now, but on archlinux [03:23] antler: me too! [03:24] I also hate the new PolicyKit bs in arch. [03:24] godling: Yes, that is a known issue. There is probably someone else here that can help with that more than I can. It has to do with having old config stuff from XFCE 4.4 [03:24] and I'm still having issues with bluetooth, but eh [03:24] firebird619: I already fixed it. [03:24] I've stopped using a deskop environment and I prefer it, you're even more free :p [03:24] giuppy (n=giuppy@host15-169-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:24] godling: what other problems are you having with it? [03:25] godling: That's good. I didn't experience that because I had a fresh install. [03:25] antler: um, I already fixed all the policy crap so I can mount my ipod and other media, but hidd doesn't appear to work like it used to (to pair my kensington si670m). [03:26] godling: i'm just curious, what do you have in ~/.xinitrc ? [03:26] antler: I asked #archlinux and some guy (who was also hanging out in #bluez) told me I either had to use blueman (gtk+ frontend) or dbus-send to do it. [03:26] my mouse pairs automagically [03:27] i manually paired it once and from then on out it's good [03:27] nullboy: mine used to, just fine, but I upgraded to the new bluez and now it does not. [03:27] antler: You think I sound like a commercial. How about this? "Slackware is like home, no matter where you go (other distros), there's no place like home" [03:27] godling: the new bluez had some api changes didn't it? [03:27] yeah, a lot from what I understand [03:27] that's why it's not in slackware yet [03:27] it won't even work correctly [03:28] yeah, hidd only works sometimes [03:28] it's such bs [03:28] firebird619: your first was better :D [03:28] antler: Yeah, I figured, just thought I'd try another one? [03:28] do we have a bot in here? [03:28] oops, that's not a question. lol. [03:29] I need a pastebin url. [03:29] godling: pastebin.slackadelic.com [03:29] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com #lazy++ [03:31] antler: Hmm. How about: "Once you go Slack, you never go back." [03:31] giuppy (n=giuppy@host15-169-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:31] :D [03:32] firebird619: if i were a director i would say, " firebird619 , you remember i told you how i wanted that scene done? you did the exact opposite of that " [03:32] :P [03:32] antler: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11052 [03:33] i found bluetooth in slackware to be quite finicky, and thats not doing anything fancy, just getting a bluetooth keyboard to have basic functionality [03:33] haha. [03:33] :P [03:33] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@203.162.39.166) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:33] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.119.81) joined ##slackware. [03:33] antler: I've changed it many, many times. [03:34] godling: just for kicks, do this instead: exec ck-launch-session startxfce4 [03:34] antler: what's ck-launch-session? [03:35] well whatever it is, it solved many problems that i had, e.g., mounting stuff, not being able to shutdown from x, etc. [03:35] :P [03:37] fora say it's required for hal in [testing], which I assume is now the hal in [core] [03:37] heh. that's a good tool to keep in the arsenal. "Hmmm, I don't know what it is, but it's fixed the problems before, so lets try it here." [03:37] antler: the only problem I'm having right now is with bluetooth, though, and that service runs at boot [03:37] Action: agentc0re is home now [03:37] Yey. no more work! [03:37] giuppy (n=giuppy@host205-165-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:37] it's "console kit" [03:37] agentc0re: got fired? [03:38] no, i was at work from 10am till now. [03:38] oh [03:38] agentc0re: Yay. Are you still drunk & tired? [03:38] rewired server room clean up [03:38] do the people at freedesktop.org hate everyone? [03:38] firebird619: not really drunk so much as just tired. [03:39] agentc0re: :) Well, at least work is out of the equation now. Get some sleep. [03:39] xcietok (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [03:39] antler: thanks for the suggestion, btw [03:39] firebird619: Heh thanks. I am going to do that now since the dogs are back inside. [03:39] agentc0re: :) [03:40] Action: godling misses his dog [03:40] Action: firebird619 is allergic to dogs. :( [03:40] firebird619: sucks to be you :( [03:40] dags is awesome [03:41] agentc0re, while you were working, I was appily sleeping, hehe :p [03:41] godling: haha. No, not really, just have to avoid dogs. [03:41] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.3) joined ##slackware. [03:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:42] Action: agentc0re fires the eel cannon at Camarade_Tux before he goes to bed [03:42] Action: agentc0re hides eel cannon [03:42] Nite all. [03:42] night [03:44] firebird619: if you were allergic to cats, I would suggest that you check out Allerca. [03:44] firebird619: there aren't any hypoallergenic dogs, though. [03:45] if your allergic to cats, I'll sell you a pitbull. :P [03:45] http://www.allerca.com/html/pricingreserve.html [03:46] chopp: haha. that would take care of the cat. [03:46] pitbulls are friendly dogs [03:47] some are, some are not [03:47] I hate that they've gotten such a poor reputation. [03:47] chopp: If they aren't, it is because their owners treat them poorly. [03:47] they aren't genetically engineered though [03:47] they are just selectively bread [03:47] if i were to buy something only to give it away, i wouldn't be breaking any law. why is the situation significantly more complicated with software and movies? [03:47] it's not.. [03:48] agentc0re, he, I con't go to bed before 12 hours now ;p [03:48] you can give it away just fine, you can't copy it and give it away though [03:48] People in meatspace have this attraction to *things*. [03:48] if i pay for a download and give that away, then it's ok? [03:48] sure [03:48] as long as you don't copy it first [03:49] but that really depends on the license [03:49] Sartre documents our relationship to objects. [03:49] godling: I know people that have pitbulls that treat them very well, there just trained to protect chit. [03:49] chopp: I would say they are treated poorly if they train them to eat other people. :P [03:50] I had them and rottweillers both for years [03:50] so i'll pay for the download of an mp3 and put it on my server so that people are free to download it. i don't think it's that simple [03:50] nullboy: ^^ [03:50] antler: no, what you just described is different than buying something and giving it to someone else. [03:50] in what way? [03:50] antler: If enough people have the mp3 then demand will go down and the artist will be out the money. [03:51] the whole business model collapses [03:51] because when you buy something and give it to someone without copying it first there is no loss. [03:51] antler: now that you put that up like that you are violating the copyright laws [03:51] multiple people can get it [03:51] nullboy: but i've paid for the download. i've made no copies. i've simply taken the file that i downloaded and put in on my server. [03:52] no, you paid for a license. [03:52] i've made no copies [03:52] .... [03:52] you paid for a license and that license says no copying for [re]distribution [03:52] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:53] antler: and you're right you might not have created any copies yourself but you are a facilitator [03:54] this is why TPB is in the situation they are, they didn't make any copies or pirate anything but they facilitated the dissemination [03:54] so analogously, hanging a book from my tree that allows passersby to photograph each page (if they were inclined) means i'm a facilitator? [03:55] techincally yes [03:55] technically* [03:55] remember...i didn't write the law...this is just how it is [03:55] antler: communist! [03:55] that's hogwash [03:55] That's like socialism! [03:55] don't shoot the messenger [03:55] godling: hahah [03:56] The system is clearly flawed. [03:56] But half the population are operating are running on the mental equivalent of fumes. [03:56] s/are running// [03:56] Action: godling needs caffeine [03:57] godling: heh i like that :D [03:57] most people don't even know how to read and comprehend an EULA [03:57] it's so distressing [03:57] nullboy, most do : they click on "Next" or grab the scrollbar and skip to the end and click on "Next", depending on the software ;) [03:57] hey all [03:58] somethings wrong with my bios [03:58] I'd truly like to believe that everyone is capable of dealing with each other on the same mental level, and I know I sound like an elitist dbag but I just don't think it's happening. [03:58] 10% slower than before with 12,1 [03:58] 12.1 [03:58] masterx831: You've benchmarked this? [03:58] no i didint [03:58] So how do you know it's 10% slower? [03:59] You just pulled that number out of your ass, didn't you? :) [03:59] no [03:59] because [03:59] speaking of fumes. [03:59] when i run x usually takes less than a sec. and not it takes like 1 min and a half [04:00] godling: not an 'elitist dbag' but a definitely an outsider, a stranger [04:00] i thought it was your "bios" [04:00] what does X have to do with your BIOS, dear little earthling? [04:00] so which is it? X or your "bios" [04:00] thats how i measured its speed by running x [04:00] chopp: lol [04:00] is there a place under 12.1 to mess with bios [04:01] ... [04:01] masterx831: X doesn't have anything to do with your BIOS. [04:01] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.162) joined ##slackware. [04:02] Well, it's 3:00 AM here, I have to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. :) [04:02] see ya [04:02] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:02] godling: see ya. :) [04:02] bye firebird619 [04:02] bye [04:02] godling: i know it dosent it happen before as soon as i turn on the computer it takes a few mins i took off the batttery of my motherboard to reset it and it works but there has to be something under 12.1 to mess with the bios [04:02] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-139-137.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [04:02] nullboy: so yeah, to rephrase, then, it's not that it's complicated, but rather it's plain dumb, illogical, and nonsense :D [04:03] masterx831: no, there doesn't. [04:03] well that's your take on it then that's fine [04:05] masterx831: why does there have to be? [04:05] masterx831: you mess with your BIOS before your OS even boots, by hitting delete or escape or whatever it is on your system. [04:06] Hey, does anyone recall an essay about property rights using the analogy of lighting someone's cigarette, then they use their cigarette to light someone else's, etc? [04:07] that's different [04:07] ok nevermind i thought linux was a powerful source i guess i would have to restart it and reset bis [04:07] the cigarette is the fuel in this case. [04:07] godling: john stuart mill? [04:07] haha yeah, john stuart mill wrote about that antler :P [04:07] :P [04:08] I'm fairly certain it was some software developer. [04:08] so the initial light is paid for by the person who bought the ligher filled with fuel. the secondary lights ( from the lit cigarette) are now being fuel by the burning cigarettes. no one is gaining anything they didn't have already [04:09] what about intellectual property, though? [04:09] these rules, like any other rules god given or man made, should face the tribunal of intuition and common sense [04:10] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:10] I don't think any rules are god-given. [04:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:10] antler: my point is that a lighter and a bunch of smokers don't work as an analogy there [04:11] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:11] nullboy: but do you know what essay I'm talking about? [04:11] no [04:11] nullboy: then back to an earlier analogy: hanging a book from a tree. you can't see the judge laughing? [04:11] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] antler: he might laugh but it could be a copyright violation [04:12] Judges don't laugh where I come from, antler. [04:12] 'could' is different from 'is' [04:12] public exhibition [04:12] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:13] i can alter the example to easily bypass 'public exh' [04:13] godling: you live in texas? [04:14] antler: I live in the US. [04:14] godling: heh i was just kidding about texas, the first state with the death penalty that came to mind [04:15] antler: there are many states with the death penalty [04:16] antler: the secret is to pick the state you want to get sentenced to death in [04:16] then i pick california [04:17] antler: ew [04:17] antler: gas chamber [04:17] or lethal injection [04:17] but primarily gas chamber [04:17] the bad part with that song from Die Ärzte is that you find yourself singing "Bitte, bitte, lass mich dein Sklave sein" which basically translates to "Please, please, let me be your (sex) slave" ;p [04:17] gas chamber seems more humane [04:17] humane? [04:17] dude [04:17] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:17] humane execution [04:17] yes [04:18] not a contradiction [04:18] "We're going to kill the fuck out of you, but we're your friends and we want to be nice." [04:18] imo [04:18] Fuck that, strap me to a icbm. [04:19] godling: no. it's like "we're quite happy to kill you. we believe in 'an eye for an eye', but we'll spare you the pain and kill you softly" [04:19] Dude, there's no softly. It's killing. [04:19] Pretending you're being nice about it is fucking hypocritical. [04:19] you've never heard of "killing me softly"? [04:20] the song? [04:20] fugees, roberta flack? [04:20] fugees heh [04:20] well that's the way it is here. in vietnam, it's the firing squad. public. [04:20] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:21] antler: In Idaho it's the firing squad if lethal injection is impractical. [04:21] north americans are humane. [04:21] That's a gross generalization. [04:21] really? [04:21] re: firing squad [04:21] Have you seen videotapes of our riots? [04:21] oh, yeah [04:21] the only time i'd agree with the death penalty is if the person seeking the death penalty are required to pull the trigger [04:21] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:22] antler: Two states still hang people. [04:22] which? [04:22] I think it was Washington and one of the Eastern states. [04:22] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.3) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:23] antler: You're in Vietnam? [04:23] no. i was, though. [04:23] Like, "in Nam"? [04:24] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:24] yeah [04:25] antler: when? [04:25] godling: if it's just killing (to you), then does a little torture matter? [04:25] godling: last year [04:25] oh, then you weren't "in Nam" [04:25] oh [04:25] hahaha [04:25] :P [04:25] lol [04:25] god i'm slow tonight [04:26] antler: I don't advocate the death penalty. [04:26] antler: I'm just saying, if I get sentenced to death I want to be electrocuted or shot. [04:27] omfg. electrocuted??? [04:27] ...or strapped to munitions [04:27] that would be better than electrocution [04:27] and exploded [04:27] bleeding out wouldn't suck too bad [04:27] drowning wouldn't be too bad either [04:27] I guess I've heard the Mercy Seat too many times [04:27] nullboy: drowning would suck [04:28] damn drowing would suck [04:28] lol [04:28] i don't think so [04:28] nullboy: unless they give you medicine to counteract your panic and such [04:28] i've been pretty damn close to drowning before [04:28] me too, and it sucked [04:29] I hear bleeding out is painful [04:29] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [04:29] godling: they need to do what they did with william wallace to your ass [04:29] usually because of the wound inflicted :P [04:30] antler: drawn and quartered? [04:30] godling: yeah, i'm neither for it nor against it. re: cap. punish. [04:30] antler: they did more to him historically then they did to him in the movie [04:30] antler: they cut his junk off, beheaded him, cut him into four pieces and then stuck his head on a pole [04:31] you mean there was a william wallace who was 7' tall and shot lightning bolts from his arse? [04:31] I think they hung him a little bit too [04:31] root__ (n=root@221.8.12.142) joined ##slackware. [04:32] yeah [04:32] but in all seriousness i didn't know such a person existed [04:32] http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-01/wallace3.html [04:32] burned, hung, emasculated, drawn and quartered [04:32] decapitated [04:32] Longshanks hated Wallace. [04:32] yep us english certainly how to entertain guests [04:32] know how* [04:33] dive: I'm never eating blood sausage. Ever. [04:33] don't blame you [04:33] godling: so longshanks didn't die, in actuality, before wallace died? [04:33] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:34] No. Did he in the movie? [04:34] Oh right, he did. [04:34] Stupid Hollywood. [04:34] No wonder Americans are so retarded. [04:34] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [04:34] hollywood will never let the truth get in the way of a good story [04:35] longshanks was the ultimate villain imo. smart and cruel [04:36] antler, we have had a lot of kings like him - he wasn't such an oddity [04:36] they were mostly all bastards [04:36] Britons are historically bastards. [04:36] No offense, dive. [04:36] esp to the scottish [04:36] and Welsh [04:36] hahah [04:36] welsh? [04:36] dive: Wales? [04:37] dive: you know, the place where they talk funny? [04:37] yeah I Welsh is correct, but they are moslty a harmless bunch [04:37] and the english treated them badly too [04:38] and the irish [04:38] man braveheart was a good movie [04:38] are you guys British? [04:38] I am [04:38] the rest are welsh haha [04:39] sheep shaggers the lot of em [04:39] I bet you're posh. [04:39] i disagree! right, then. [04:39] I'm not Welsh, I'm USian. [04:39] kidding right? I live in crappy little estate in a crappy little 'New Town' south of london [04:40] what's USian mean? [04:40] dive: so you're a chimney sweep? [04:40] ?? [04:40] uh, chim-chim-cheroo? [04:40] you been watching too much mary popins [04:41] dive: mr. knightly lives near that little estate of yours. did he ever get with emma? [04:41] dive: I'm just taking the piss. [04:41] godling, yeah I know [04:41] Action: godling practices his British colloquialisms. [04:41] antler, I dunno ages since I read it [04:41] he, I'm not British ! I'm French, better dead than British ! [04:42] heh [04:42] stupid nationalists are stupid :P [04:42] haha [04:42] admiting you're french is like ........ [04:42] :P [04:42] I am chinese [04:42] by the way 'estate' means 'housing estate' in this case, not a country estate - think 'ghetto' [04:43] geoiplookup 221.8.12.142 [04:43] GeoIP Country Edition: CN, China [04:43] root__: Where from in China? [04:43] Camarade_Tux, I think you are 1/2 Bretton? [04:43] Brittany? [04:43] jilin [04:44] root__: knee how ma? :P [04:44] root__: USian is my slang term for American (US-ian) [04:44] dive, right, the Brittany as in West of France ;) [04:44] ubuild (n=K2@adsl-68-127-148-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] juice: wow, it's cold where you live isn't it? [04:44] er [04:44] root__: ^^ [04:44] juice: sorry, I fail at tab-completion [04:44] my english is poor [04:44] Camarade_Tux, I would rather tell people I am from Brittany than France, but your choice I guess [04:45] root__: It's better than my Chinese. :) [04:45] i cannot catch you guys [04:45] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:45] dive: hahah [04:45] root__: Are you Han? [04:46] antler, true though innit? [04:46] are you talking about a movie something? [04:46] root__: Wikipedia says mostly Han Chinese live in Jilin. [04:46] Action: antler twiddles his thumbs and looks about the room [04:46] dive, I usually don't mention that part, I tell people I'm half Lebanese, but they don't trust me as I really don't like look I could even have more than Lebanese great-grand-mother [04:46] i am Han [04:46] root__: Earlier we were talking about the movie Braveheart, with Mel Gibson. [04:47] root__: Now we are not. We are talking about where we all come from. [04:47] antler, are you French Canadian? [04:48] dive: half right. canadian [04:48] ah ok [04:48] sometime ago,jilin is full of Man ,who build the Qin dynasty [04:48] root__: If my English is too much for you, let me know and I will try to make it easy for you to catch. [04:49] root__: 'han' is related to 'han dynasty' [04:49] antler: He probably knows that. [04:49] :P [04:49] godling: oops, i meant that as a question because i'm not sure [04:49] antler: Yes, ask Wikipedia. :) [04:50] why when i can ask him and he gets to practice his englist [04:50] english [04:50] Han dynasty is much earlier than Qin dynasty [04:51] Jilin: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.666667,126.166667&spn=1,1&t=h&q=43.666667,126.166667 [04:51] cold [04:51] yes , it is cold outside [04:52] but we have warm air in the room [04:52] there are snow outside [04:52] root__: Is there often snow outside? [04:53] not so often lately [04:53] At least it is not as cold as Mongolia. :) [04:53] They are more North than you. [04:54] you guys seems to known China a lot ! suprising me [04:55] root__: The magic of the Internet. :) [04:55] yeah i have googlearth too [04:55] ^_^ [04:55] root__: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=34.06076,-117.755886&spn=0.1,0.1&t=h&q=34.06076,-117.755886 [04:56] root__: That's where I'm at. [04:57] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:57] I have linked the site [04:57] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [04:58] root__: are you a student, or do you work? [04:58] (or neither) [04:59] nathanbw (n=nathan@67-60-226-125.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:59] i was close to visiting shanghai 2 years ago. shame i didn't go... [04:59] i am studying for my bachelor degree [05:00] what about you? [05:00] root__: if you're already in university there, then you don't need to study and you'll still get your bachelor's [05:01] most often [05:01] root__: i teach freshman philosophy classes [05:01] root__: I'm at school for my bachelor's degree too. What is your major field of study? [05:01] diffrent from other country [05:02] root__: this root nick is a joke right? ur not connected to IRC as root right? :P [05:02] root__: in canada, getting accepted by a university is easier than graduating from that university :P [05:03] about finite element [05:03] antler: It's Canadia, eh. [05:03] haha [05:03] whois shows up as root [05:04] root__: You major in discrete math? [05:04] root__: i have found the opposite to be true in countries such as china, vietnam, and south korea [05:04] if you get accepted by a university in china,you can easily graduat [05:04] panzer: i missed that root@.. hehe [05:04] root__: yes. but getting in is very, very difficult there from what i've seen [05:05] and now we have his ip too [05:05] hmm yeah [05:05] this is called china charactered [05:06] root__: You should not be IRCing as your root account. [05:06] maybe, [05:06] root__: You should create a user account on your machine and use that instead. [05:06] why godling we can do that for him [05:06] godling: we had that message between the lines :P [05:06] Action: panzer smiles [05:06] panzer: LOL! [05:07] madbear_: His English isn't that great, he probably won't get your implied message. [05:07] godling: im sry, i got no social skills at all :( [05:07] i already have one,but there is always need a root password,so .. [05:07] root__: You shouldn't need a root password for IRC. [05:07] root__: lol you lazy!! [05:08] root__: why you need the root password? [05:08] cause he is lazy [05:08] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [05:08] and where is slackboy to ban [05:10] cause you don't type one,Slackware will ask you one more time? so i.. [05:10] so you ... what? [05:10] root__: confucius say: kingdom belong to root; courtyard belong to jesters [05:10] root__: You only need a root passowrd when you do system administration tasks. [05:10] this has BS written all over it [05:10] so i type a simple password,and Slackware asked another time [05:10] but is fun there nullboy [05:10] noizze (n=noise@p549CE499.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:10] Potentially. [05:11] it should have asked you atleast twice. [05:12] Yesterday i've updated to current and everything was flawless, but I can't compile my essential Software anymore. /usr/lib/libssp.la is missing but I have installed the required gcc packages# [05:12] actully, i am a fresh Slacker, don't know much about linux [05:13] "fresh Slacker" --- i just saw chopp 's hand go up your thigh, godling [05:13] lol [05:13] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [05:14] anyone with current here who can do a locate libssp.la ? [05:15] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "Leaving" [05:15] You'd be better off to grep libssp.la /var/log/packages/* [05:15] i have to go supper now,i will change a accout,thank you guys [05:15] i don't have libssp anywhere [05:15] And it's in gcc, like I told you earlier today. [05:15] /usr/lib/libssp.la [05:16] gcc-4.2.4-i486-1 [05:16] root__ (n=root@221.8.12.142) left irc: "leaving" [05:16] antler: what? [05:16] jkwood: yes, i know ...but u didnt say u use current [05:17] i'm on -current [05:17] dive: I had with with gcc-4.2.4 too but not in current [05:17] i don't have libssp.la [05:17] godling: nothing. something about fresh slacker [05:17] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:17] I'm too lazy go boot up my current box again - I looked in slack package browser [05:17] nullboy: ok, i think its disabled in the build script [05:18] antler: You should use it in a well-ventilated area. [05:18] hahaha [05:18] sorry [05:21] Well, the gcc.SlackBuild specifies --disable-libssp. [05:21] jkwood: ok, i've check the build script from gcc 4.3.3 its compiled with --disable-libssp [05:21] And there you have it. [05:21] \o/ [05:21] But why? Now I cant compile any Multimedia Software like xine, videolan [05:22] mplayer and transcode, k9copy, ffmpeg all build fine here [05:22] and xine comes with slackware [05:22] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [05:23] libssp is Stack-Smashing Protection. [05:23] It shouldn't have anything at all to do with Multimedia software. [05:24] I don't know why you'd want to disable it [05:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:24] But its often used for this kind of Software [05:24] then rebuild gcc no big deal [05:24] gogogo [05:25] dammit I've got that chim chimeney song stuck in my head [05:25] It should only take like 4 or 6 hours. [05:25] nullboy: i think it is ...53 MB source :) [05:25] dive: Isn't that natural? [05:26] :D [05:26] ... [05:26] lol [05:26] dive: here, I'll help: [05:26] I kill u mary poppins [05:26] maybe i have somewhere a old reference to this file? [05:26] no... don't help [05:26] only the linker stop [05:26] dive: hahah [05:27] configure scripts dont check libssp [05:27] dive: supercalifragilisticexpialidocious [05:27] omg NO!! [05:28] and you why we english hand draw and quarter people [05:28] /s/hand/hang [05:29] and add a wonder in there [05:29] hahaha [05:29] I should just type it again [05:29] it'll be just like starting over [05:32] dive: you should sing instead! [05:32] how do you know I'm not? [05:32] I'm a little cockney dance around the living room as we speak [05:33] I seem to have missing word syndrome today... [05:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] Action: dive goes back to his poetry [05:34] Morning ( or afternoon or evening),folks [05:34] MLanden, morning [05:35] Morning, dive [05:38] dive: I pictured someone doing a cockney dance, fyi. [05:39] actually, I pictured Bill Bailey. [05:39] Action: dive loads up spook's frozen eel cannon [05:39] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:39] that's rhyming slang innit? [05:39] I've got no freaking clue. [05:40] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:40] frozen eel? [05:40] yes? [05:40] no idea [05:40] frozen eel, orange peel [05:40] nah [05:40] I know taters is cold [05:40] yep [05:42] http://www.aldertons.com/english_to_slang.htm [05:42] I want to be fluent so I can write my next school essay in it. [05:43] I was going to apply for a scholarship, too, and need to write an essay for that. [05:46] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:47] good luck with that [05:48] you will have to do a translation too :) [05:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [05:49] you are bound to get the scholarship cos they will think you're oliver twist or summut [05:59] giuppy (n=giuppy@host205-165-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:59] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [06:00] ok ok, i've found the source of trouble! [06:00] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [06:00] r-tz (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [06:00] xine, kaffeine was build against gnome-vfs which is build against libssp [06:01] Nick change: r-tz -> rizitis [06:01] Stupid Gnome. i wish i've never installed it [06:01] giuppy (n=giuppy@host226-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:01] dive, jkwood thanks to all who tried to help me [06:02] np [06:05] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [06:05] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:08] After many years on current i have to say its still more stable then most stable distributions :) [06:10] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Connection timed out [06:11] Action: Camarade_Tux couldn't agree more with noizze [06:12] actually even using git linux kernels is more stable than most stable distributions [06:18] Camarade_Tux: Thats so sad because the Newbies install one of the Top 5 Distri and get scared of Linux :( [06:20] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [06:20] or simply get confused [06:21] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [06:23] noizze: updated gcc packages fixing that lissp issue are already done, they just need to be pushed into the public slackware-current repository [06:24] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B086C46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:24] :( [06:25] MLanden: well, they are confused about the slackware installation too. The setup is great if u know what you doing but if not you're lost [06:25] Action: fred spent something like 3h waiting for gcc packages to build on his laptop yesterday :'( [06:25] Action: MLanden agress with noizze [06:25] alienBOB: thanks, you are the one building the alien packages, right? [06:25] Yes [06:26] fred: building qt4 is even worse than gcc [06:26] nah :p [06:26] alienBOB: is that just removing --disable-libspp ? [06:26] *libssp [06:26] qt4 is only 90 minutes with make -j1 [06:26] Action: Camarade_Tux now builds the complete mingw-w64 toolchain >< [06:27] mithenks (n=eymrich@213.243.230.127) joined ##slackware. [06:29] alienBOB: my gcc build does both 64-bit and 32-bit compilers, bootstrapped, so takes a fair bit longer :p [06:29] however, it think qt4 is still easier to build then gtk+ and all its horrible dep [06:29] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [06:29] dios_mio (i=test@88.236.182.253) left irc: "Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC." [06:30] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [06:31] QT locks up my laptop hard for some silly reason. [06:32] noizze, don't say that, gtk is the next on my list ! and cross-compiled ! to windows7 64 ! [06:32] I can build anything else I want, as long as it's not qt. [06:32] sQuEE (n=narya@host42.201-253-244.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:33] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:34] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-197-182.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:46] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.56.224) joined ##slackware. [06:48] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:52] Aizawa (n=slave@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [06:55] reallove (n=dan@94.52.230.84) joined ##slackware. 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[07:23] i have pidgin in my system,i am using irssi [07:24] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-133.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:25] gswc (n=gswc@221.8.12.142) left irc: "leaving" [07:25] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:30] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:31] Doc_Zoid (i=1000@p5B3B3FF9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:31] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Client Quit [07:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl53-10.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:31] how can i change my configured mouse settings? (The wheel doesn't work) [07:32] Doc_Zoid, /etcX11/xorg.conf [07:32] Doc_Zoid, /etc/X11/xorg.conf [07:32] thanks [07:33] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.119.81) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:33] Doc_Zoid: What type of mouse is it? [07:33] it is a usb mouse, (Logitech RX300) [07:34] Doc_Zoid, look this http://pastebin.com/m7da66f37 [07:35] ok I'll try it with this options [07:36] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-166-110.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:38] bbiab [07:38] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [07:40] dios_mio (i=test@88.236.182.253) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Doc_Zoid (i=1000@p5B3B3FF9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:45] zardosh (n=zardosht@89.165.78.25) joined ##slackware. [07:45] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-62.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:48] alienBOB, u there ? [07:48] who know's alienBOB blog url ? [07:48] I am and I do [07:48] :) [07:48] got some issues with xfce 4.6 , need your blog expertise :) [07:48] I want to find every .gif and .jpg in directory with just singlle find 'find . -iname "*\gif" -o "*.jpg" ' I used this but sounds wrong would you help ? thx in adv [07:48] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/ [07:48] ok thanks [07:49] Google would have told you that url too I guess [07:52] ok [07:53] zardosh: almost correct [07:53] Try: find . -iname "*.gif" -o -iname "*.jpg" [07:54] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:54] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [07:54] alienBOB : I'll give a try thx [07:55] alienBOB : worked, thanx :) [07:57] is it normal to NOT have the main menu in xfce 4.6 ? [08:03] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:04] i've only used kde, but im guessing right click on desktop for the menu? [08:05] nope [08:05] it was a menu on xfce bar [08:05] even mac users dont right click;p [08:05] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.56.224) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:06] hey cool, gcc 4.3.3 only takes 43 minutes to build on my desktop :) [08:07] zardosh (n=zardosht@89.165.78.25) left irc: "Leaving." [08:07] fred, blame your cpu on that [08:10] Really? Hadn't thought of that :p [08:11] Action: alienBOB suspects that fred has better hardware than here at home [08:12] ¬_¬ [08:12] a Q9300 running at ~ 3.5ghz, with 8GB of RAM? [08:12] Action: dtanner brews coffee and slams the java war hammer down [08:12] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:12] fred: Q9300 has 2.5 normal, right? [08:13] yup [08:13] nice then [08:13] yesterdays several-hour build (4.5 iirc) was on my poor little 1.6ghz dual core laptop :p [08:15] and just a short time ago it seems we hailed to the power of the 1.6Ghz [08:15] fred: how's about temps of that @3.5GHz? [08:15] ~ 50 under load [08:15] (not stock cooling) [08:16] so what kind of? [08:16] water [08:16] I see [08:16] though that's more for the graphics card... [08:16] my 8800GTs were idling at 90 degrees :S [08:16] so, yeah, the stock cooler sucked :p [08:16] wow [08:16] fred: well i got Q9300 with huge radiator [08:16] :-) [08:16] thermalright ultra-120e? [08:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-198.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-15-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:17] fred: yes [08:17] ha! USB guitars :) http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-BEH-IAXE629-LIST [08:17] Wojo: when someone says 'huge radiator', there's not really anything else it could be :p [08:18] fred: and two coolers, i wanted change cooling but it works fair enough for me [08:18] Action: fred decides it's kernel build time [08:19] :-) [08:19] fred: by the way, running that on which motherboard? [08:19] Aizawa (n=slave@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) left irc: "leaving" [08:19] Mine Asus PQ5 seems be nice to that cpu, maybe you find something better [08:20] P5Q* [08:22] evga-branded nforce 780i [08:24] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:24] i have a 750i :) [08:25] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-200-193.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:52] kama (n=kama@host197-115-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:53] kama (n=kama@host197-115-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:54] cipher (n=cipher@41.252.20.81) joined ##slackware. [08:54] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [08:57] monstro (n=admin@201-92-48-41.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Hi all, [08:58] How to setting Traffic Shaping in Slackware ? [08:58] *setting up [08:59] monstro: same as in any distro [09:00] spook: what is the best form make it? [09:01] suggest a program? [09:02] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [09:05] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.24.109) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:06] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl11-56-43.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:06] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.34.102) joined ##slackware. [09:08] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4_m4n@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Hello, world! [09:09] hello happy slacker [09:10] :) [09:11] Why I get this: http://rafb.net/p/NNN2n361.html ? [09:11] MitsuiSama (n=mitsui@189.58.127.129.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:11] u'r missing a lib [09:12] Is about libglib-2.0 or something else? [09:12] How can I get it? [09:12] its that lib u'r missing [09:12] did you install it to /usr/local ? [09:12] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [09:12] I install everything by default. [09:13] what does "ls /usr/local/lib | wc -l" return ? [09:13] I think it should be in /usr/local/lib [09:13] one moment [09:13] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:13] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [09:13] i have it here > /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la [09:14] thrice': 208 [09:14] so, you probably installed glib on your own, and put it to /usr/local/lib [09:14] by defualt, /usr/local/lib contains 0 files [09:14] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:14] (these things are important to tell us) [09:15] ok, one moment! I think I have made a mistake somewhere else [09:15] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] cipher (n=cipher@41.252.20.81) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:15] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.51.120) joined ##slackware. [09:15] paissad (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] paissad_ (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] v4nelle (n=van@adsl53-10.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Network is unreachable [09:18] So I need to install glib with --prefix=/usr/local/lib ? [09:18] sorry, i'm not sure how to help you. you've installed alot of extra libraries to /usr/local, so who knows how it's linking [09:19] :) [09:19] you should not have installed glib at all, since slackware already provides it [09:19] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.51.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.1.87) joined ##slackware. [09:19] thrice': How many libraryes do you have in /usr/local/lib ? [09:20] 0 [09:20] WAW, so what do I need to do now? [09:21] Would it be wise to reinstall Slackware? [09:21] Or I have some other options? [09:21] nearly [09:21] Camarade_Tux: nearly? [09:22] l4m4_m4n, but I am biased, I really hate /usr/local [09:22] :) [09:22] So what shall I do? [09:22] maybe you can just mv /usr/local /usr/local_is_bad [09:22] ! [09:22] and start again [09:22] paissad_ (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:23] paissad_ (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] OK, I will give it a try! [09:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] tcanich (n=tcanich@server2.photoexpo.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:27] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.35.243) joined ##slackware. [09:27] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.34.102) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] paissad_ (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:30] paissad (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:30] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:30] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [09:34] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:34] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Ok, Camarade_Tux, now everything works fine. Thank you! [09:35] he :) [09:35] I periodically check my /usr/local is empty :) [09:36] :) [09:36] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:36] I will do the same from now on!!! [09:39] I have recently upgraded a lot of packages from -current, including xfce 4.6. the environment works but some components keeps segfaulting. anyone experienced this as well? [09:40] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:40] I have compared all packages in /l and /x to see if I'm not missing out on anything, but it seems fine [09:40] xfrun4, mousepad and a few others keeps segfaulting [09:41] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.13) left irc: [09:41] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [09:43] jozefk (n=jozefk@86.96.226.15) joined ##slackware. [09:43] thumbs hi :) [09:44] thrice` you are always here ? [09:44] acidkill_ :P [09:44] or acidchild :D [09:45] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [09:45] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:45] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-008-159.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] what were that 2 books about slackware from yesterday? i can't remember anymore. i want to read them. [09:46] nitro25_ (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [09:47] Kb1979 (n=sakura@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [09:48] BP{k} [09:48] slackbook.org is one [09:48] hi hitest. ok. what it the another one? [09:49] good. it's available in PDF. great [09:49] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [09:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@210.182.33.9) joined ##slackware. [09:50] MitsuiSama (n=mitsui@189.58.127.129.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:50] check the slackware store as well at slackware.com [09:51] store? you mean to buy a book? [09:51] then i'll check rapidshare :D [09:52] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:52] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:53] The other book was slackbasics.org jozefk [09:53] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:56] ok. thanks. i liked slackware and it seems it's good distro. want learn more about it [09:57] want to try to do everything in linux and to use only adobe in windows [09:58] jozefk: that's the spirit! I've been windows free for years now and I don't miss it or need it. [09:59] Your Adobe program doesn't work with Codeweavers crossover for Linux? [10:00] lol, hitest is so old he probably doesn't know what he needs or misses ;-) [10:00] LOL [10:00] true [10:00] amoc (n=amoc@124.49.51.183) joined ##slackware. [10:01] i used SuSE for long time but that's already 5-6 years ago. and today i'm using windows coz of adobe. but i got A LOT of problems coz of viruses and that Vista sh*t didn't worked good at all [10:01] colmcille i didn't try codeweaver crossover [10:02] Suse 10.0 was okay, but, 10.1 was terrible YAST sucked [10:02] It's worth a look. [10:02] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:03] is that some kind of running win applications but from linux OS? which means i still must have dual boot? [10:03] If you're having virus troubles with Windows you need to look somewhere between the keyboard and the chair for the problem, not the OS [10:04] PEBKAC:) [10:04] LSD` why you can't have problem with viruses on Linux> [10:04] ? [10:04] was hoping someone would say that [10:04] i didn't want to be the one to start the pro-windows discussion ;) [10:04] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:05] No you won't need to dual boot, that's the point of it. [10:05] Depends if your application is supported though. [10:06] but the answer is simple. no viruses for Linux [10:06] yet [10:06] if you think like that I'm the coz of problems with viruses then I can say in different way: I don't have freedom with Windows [10:07] that yet last too long. [10:07] LSD`, you don't need any user interaction to get an infected Windows install, so stop trolling. [10:07] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host10-113-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:08] need to go after few minures. [10:08] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] minutes* [10:08] :) [10:08] colmcille: there are ways to avoid that too if you bother trying [10:08] the biggest loss on information on linux is certainly the user : rm :p [10:09] LSD` yes there is a way. stop using it. that's the best way. [10:09] *yawn* [10:09] install clean Windows and connect the USB stick from your friend and say good bye to your OS. only one example. :P [10:09] again, easily avoidable [10:10] yeah. don't connect anything [10:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:10] :) [10:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] don't touch the PC [10:10] just watch it and enjoy :D [10:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:11] There are dozens of unpatched security issues in Windows, some of which are years old. You don't need to do anything other than be connected to the internet. [10:11] No user interaction required at all. [10:12] maybe windows 7 will be better. maybe not. [10:12] It isn't really MSs fault that users are stupid [10:13] :) [10:13] good thing some of them are smart enough to switch to linux [10:13] g'day slackers [10:14] hi BP{k} [10:14] stupid is such a harsh word. i'm not stupid...just a tad uniformed [10:14] i got to go now. see you later.. [10:14] but ya got to be informed [10:14] jozefk (n=jozefk@86.96.226.15) left irc: [10:14] hi BP{k} [10:14] uninformed even [10:15] but i'm workin[ on that [10:15] now if i could figure out how to type [10:15] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl11-56-43.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:15] tntslack (n=will@adsl82-216.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:15] hiya BP{k} [10:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:17] gotta go satisfy my nicotine addiction [10:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:17] see you jiffypop:) [10:18] on my second coffee [10:18] lol, on my second pot [10:18] LOL [10:18] but biab [10:19] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:21] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:22] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:23] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:24] Aizawa (n=Aizawa@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [10:25] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [10:27] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:28] Aizawa (n=Aizawa@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) left irc: Client Quit [10:29] Aizawa (n=slave@1-1-6-35a.f.sth.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [10:29] so, yea...thinkin' about venturing into the realm of upgrading my kernel [10:30] Suprano (n=anonym00@p5B086C46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:30] not that it really needs it, i guess [10:30] but if i'm gonna learn, i might as well go for broke [10:31] thank god my install disks aren't fuxored [10:31] yeah, you can always re-install if it becomes FUBARED [10:31] ken` (n=user@38.119.107.114) joined ##slackware. [10:32] which i'm fairly certain it will [10:32] heh [10:32] it'll be fun tho [10:32] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:33] Kb1979 (n=sakura@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:33] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:33] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:33] jiffypop, keep your default kernel in your lilo , that way u can always boot [10:36] will definitely keep that in mind [10:36] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:37] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.119) joined ##slackware. [10:43] yht (i=1000@114.121.99.197) joined ##slackware. [10:45] v4nelle (n=van@adsl36-201.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:46] i'm currently running the 2.6.27.7-smp kernel that came with my disks. [10:46] not sure which way to go here but i'm trying to make sense of it all [10:47] current have a newer kernel , if you wish to upgrade first [10:48] i gotta tell ya, pub/linux/kernel can be a bit overwhelming on the first visit [10:49] just upgrade with slackpkg [10:49] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] well, yea. i read about that [10:50] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] but i'm trying to up my newbie status so i figure i should try to familiarize myself with a little of this and that [10:51] sQuEE (n=narya@host42.201-253-244.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:51] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [10:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[11:07] Can not figure out what's the problem here: http://rafb.net/p/4iuSGP42.html help! [11:07] Installing poppler [11:09] l4m4_m4n, warning: libGL.so.1, needed by /usr/lib/qt/lib/libqt-mt.so, not found [11:09] hm [11:10] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-208-72.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [11:10] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] Why do people buy rap CDs? [11:10] I don't understand [11:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] Gargantua, why do people buy CDs? :P [11:11] Because it contains actual music. [11:11] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:13] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Gargantua, rap is music [11:13] So rap CDs contain actual rap music :) [11:13] HAHAHAHA good man [11:13] one [11:14] if i, being a music major, can annotate rap, it's music [11:14] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] you can't say it's not music just because you don't like it [11:15] I saw some guy in a brand new Lexus yesterday barely past his 20s with two young kids in carseats in the back while blaring rap music full of nasty lyrics [11:16] v4nelle (n=van@adsl36-201.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] I wondered if I could actually call the police about that. Not only was it probably blowing out their eardrums, but it was full of pretty offensive lyrics [11:16] rap is not music, is poetry acompanied by music [11:17] :) [11:17] Yeah [11:17] Shitty poetry at that, and music they didn't even make. [11:17] It's the DJ's that make it work :) [11:17] gartt for offensive lirics you can allert authorityes [11:18] authorities [11:19] and lyrics [11:19] but not for rap of course [11:19] and alert [11:19] If he was playing Celine Dione I'd call the cops for sure:) [11:19] Gargantua: :) [11:19] :p [11:19] hitest: :) [11:20] :) [11:20] gartt, unfourtantly we can't use the government to do everything. [11:20] :( [11:21] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-230.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Gargantua: That's true. It's likely that I'll get a ticket for smoothly driving 70 on the highway with very little traffic. But if I'm going the same speed as the guy in front of me in medium traffic and there's some idiot riding my bumper behind me, he won't get a ticket, although if I ever had to hit my brakes in an emergency, he'd hit me and I'd be the one that went into the spin and sustained more damage [11:23] Hahahahaha [11:23] |mithenks| (n=eymrich@213.243.230.127) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [11:23] Well it's a social problem [11:24] We have to stop always trying to use the government to solve those [11:24] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] You should use a shotgun then :) [11:24] Or move out of the US where common sense is more common [11:24] paissad (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] l4m4_m4n, you're a clown [11:24] :) [11:24] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Connection timed out [11:25] and we should use the government only for that which we cannot handle on our own [11:25] if it offended you, put it on your blog [11:25] "You are talking to me?" [11:26] sometimes public debates / humiliation are more effective than ignoring the problem [11:26] "You are talking to me?" [11:26] Ignoring is a bad thing! [11:26] Always!!! [11:26] except on IRC [11:26] That is true. [11:26] But... [11:27] alienBOB: have anything to do with glibc build? [11:27] alienBOB: in particular, curious as to why libidn-2.7.tar.bz2 is in the source direcotry, but unless I'm being dumb, doesn't appear to be extracted [11:28] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] libidn? lib-i-don't-know? :) [11:30] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-224-143.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:30] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:31] good one TwinReverb [11:31] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:31] Not really! [11:32] I do not know = lib + idnk [11:32] that it! i am installing libgtfo right now! [11:32] libgtfo!?! [11:32] lol [11:33] libgtfy? [11:33] :) [11:33] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [11:34] libbff :D [11:34] This is something new :) [11:34] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [11:34] libbff? [11:34] libstfu [11:34] buff2l0 (n=buff2l0@115.74.119.81) joined ##slackware. [11:34] lmao! [11:34] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6D24.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] librofl [11:36] libcos360 [11:36] libfail [11:37] skibur (n=skibur@c-98-195-47-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[12:14] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Stallone-Cobra (n=opera@189.83.59.79) joined ##slackware. [12:15] I have a question about hp g60 laptop. Slack boots and installs fast from dvd but once it's installed it boots painfully slow. [12:16] Stallone-Cobra (n=opera@189.83.59.79) left ##slackware. [12:16] Action: troubledslackusr continues to scour the net for an answer, just thought I'd give IRC a go. You guys might have an answer before google. [12:16] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7944919.stm [12:19] Suprano (n=anonym00@88.128.88.179) joined ##slackware. [12:20] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [12:20] troubledslackusr, scour dmesg for clues is what i would do first [12:21] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [12:23] troubledslackusr: once it boots up does it function well? [12:23] or it slow as well? [12:23] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-424500.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:24] is it [12:24] duely noted, will take a look at dmesg for sure. hitest: only X runs fast, the shell is very slow [12:25] might be framebuffer issues [12:26] troubledslackusr: what version of Slackware [12:27] 12.2 [12:28] skibur_ (n=skibur@c-98-196-141-129.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] fred: regarding your question, no idea, but I will ask Pat [12:29] th0ger (n=th0ger]@pp29-254.phys.au.dk) left ##slackware. [12:32] ok...stupid question time: [12:32] Tirili (n=opera@dslb-088-070-046-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:32] where the eff is `/tmp/slackpkg.GbR904/slackware-PACKAGES.TXT' [12:33] thanks for the promt replies folks, rock on [12:33] troubledslackusr (n=none@S0106001150018e1d.vn.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:33] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:33] yea, rock on [12:33] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [12:33] i concur [12:33] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [12:34] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:35] jiffypop: /tmp/slackpkg.GbR904/slackware-PACKAGES.TXT is a temporary file created by slackpkg [12:35] I have once read, that there are security issues using the su and the sudo commands. Do you know more about that? [12:36] Tirili: the only security issue is who you trust with root access to your box [12:36] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:36] Ah. [12:36] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] alienBOB: thanks, man. first time with slackpkg and i'm painfully new to linux so it's all touch and go [12:37] I thought, perhaps it could be, that a user program calmly reads the password, you type in to become another user. ? [12:37] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.20.83) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Can that happen? [12:38] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:39] aliase (n=aliase@76-10-172-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] bbl [12:39] later hitest [12:42] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.20.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.154.131) joined ##slackware. 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[12:52] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [12:52] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] Suprano (n=anonym00@88.128.88.179) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:53] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-4-251.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Does anyone know? Perhaps by using a key logger? [12:54] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-008-159.mycingular.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:54] Tirili, security issues? in what way? [12:54] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-230.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:54] yeah sounds like framebuffer issues, but it depends on his video card. i wouldn't bother using framebuffer on a video card to start off with, first of all, and i wouldn't use it on a 945GM (but it works good on a 855GM strangely enough) [12:55] Tirili, i think the su/sudo isn't really a security vulnerability so much as it is a permissions / configuration issue [12:55] i.e. make sure you select carefully what programs / commands a user can run that are sudo [12:55] and be selective as to who is allowed to su root [12:55] I wonder, if it could be possible for malicious software, that works on a normal user account, to read out passwords, we type into the bash for example. [12:55] on a single user machine it's hardly worth mentioning except that maybe, just maybe, a hack for such a sudo/suid program could come out (like X) [12:56] i think by default, there's only like two or so commands that are set uid (suid) and belong to root, and one is X.org (for obvious hardware related reasons) [12:56] rworkman, around? [12:57] there's a "standard" security checklist for linux machines. google for linux security checklist [12:57] and with file permissions, that's more obvious. don't want just anyone being able to read what's in /etc/passwd ? chmod o-rwx it [12:58] Tirili, no, unless you're talking about a software getting your password while running with your own credentials which is pointless since the guy already had access to your account to begin with [12:58] quite a few issues hinge on file permissions in my opinion [12:59] most stuff is just thinking before doing. don't trust the software to leave your passwords alone? don't run it. test things yourself. if you can read /etc/passwd, so can all programs that run with your credentials [13:00] nachox, hey do you remember how i specify to X.org that i want virtual terminal access to vt5? for some reason i'm in init level 4 but can't access virtual terminal 5 or any other. give me a second though, i had an idea, hold on [13:01] what's the security risk to /etc/passwd ? [13:01] TwinReverb, inittab [13:03] i just got done reading inittab but i still don't see it for some reason. am i just wintarded tonight? [13:03] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.1.87) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:04] post your inittab in pastebin [13:04] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] vt 6 [13:05] wintarded.. ha, i love it :D [13:06] http://pastebin.com/d6fc792a7 [13:06] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4_m4n@83.218.195.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:06] my network at the office is pretty wintarded. [13:06] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] vistarded [13:07] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [13:07] ... even [13:07] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host10-113-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:09] ubuild (n=K2@adsl-68-127-148-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host10-113-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:10] nachox, ^ [13:10] TwinReverb, crap, sorry :P i'll check that now [13:11] ^^^ [13:11] c5:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux [13:11] means spawn agetty in runlevels 1,2,3,5 [13:11] ubuild (n=ubuild@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] you're running in runlevel 4 [13:12] Hm. I have written what I want to do here: http://pastebin.com/m38b61fb4 [13:13] TwinReverb: passwd MUST have world read access, many apps must check there for the user account [13:13] shadow is the one WITHOUT world read access [13:13] higuita, yeah i just noticed that [13:14] nachox, yeah, but why does it yank my vt's? [13:14] aliase (n=aliase@76-10-172-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [13:14] http://securitytube.net/Ten-Cool-Things-You-Did-Not-Know-About-Your-Hard-Drive-video.aspx [13:14] has anybody seen that before\ [13:14] ? [13:15] http://learnix.net/2009/03/15/this-is-how-i-spent-my-saturday/ [13:15] TwinReverb, what do you mean? you're starting in runlevel 3 and running startx? [13:17] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:18] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] greetings and salutations [13:18] nachox, no, i'm starting in 4 but i don't get virtual terminals in X. is that part of using runlevel 4? [13:19] you should have tty's on 1-5, no? [13:20] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] TwinReverb, try ctrl-alt-f6 [13:21] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [13:22] ah nevermind, thanks nachox, i was like "why am i not getting VT5?!?!?!!?!" [13:22] i'm so used to vt5 being the one you use outside of X that i didn't even think about it [13:23] TwinReverb, you only have vt6 in runlevel 4 with your current configuration [13:23] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [13:23] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [13:24] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:54] big CB base station, also a drake shortwave receiver [13:55] cool:) [13:56] bono (i=bono@118-160-165-15.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:56] Action: nix_chix0r cow_chix0r says moo [13:56] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [13:56] bbiab, stepping out for some fresh air. [13:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:56] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host10-113-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [13:57] hi nix_chix0r, are you a mamma yet? [13:58] no:( [13:58] i'm starting to think there is no baby in there just a tumor [13:58] 8-S [13:58] ?! [13:58] 6days to my actual due date, [13:59] but he should be out by now [13:59] maybe he isnt coming out until he turns 18 years old and with a high school diploma in his hand [13:59] ha if that's the case he's getting rent charged [13:59] < i want my body back [13:59] make him get a job and pay you for suffering [14:00] what do the doctors say? [14:00] wouldnt it beconsidered insourcing rather than outsourcing:P [14:00] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:04] with our first child, my wife went over by one week, and we were in walmart and she felt a huge pain. the next day was her appointment with the doc and our son had turned breech (i guess being stubborn) so it was C section time [14:05] i'm worried, that he's gona turn over [14:05] he flipped in walmart [14:05] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) joined ##slackware. [14:05] do not worry about a thing [14:05] netman86 (n=como@cpe-74-75-64-16.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] what does turning breech mean? [14:05] xcietok (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:05] Are any of you running slackware on a dell mini9 system? [14:05] he's supposed to be "presenting" head-first towards the you-know-what, but he turned 180, was now butt-end facing you-know-what [14:06] netman86, why? [14:06] I'm getting ready to install slackware 12 on mine, just curious how hard its going to be to get things like wifi and audio to work [14:06] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] that's easier than finding someone that uses slackware on it [14:06] TwinReverb, oh, i think i did the same :P [14:06] nachox, stubborn :P [14:07] netman86, what sound card do you have? what wifi card? what video card? [14:07] netman86, also, there's www.linuxquestions.org/hcl [14:07] heh, probably a good point. It's just fairly common among the umpc crowd, I thought I may find someone. [14:07] And I have no idea what it has for hardware, I've honestly not really touched it since I bought it [14:07] Action: TwinReverb slaps netman86 [14:07] hmm mini9 eh? ... [14:07] hardly, mom didnt reach the 9 months, i was born the 1st week of the 7th month, i nearly die [14:07] what? I bought it to win a bet [14:07] :-p [14:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:08] it came with ubuntu on it, but I cant stand ubuntu [14:08] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [14:08] netman86, i put mandriva on my friend's acer aspire one [14:08] nullboy, !ohboy [14:08] anything ubuntu has working, slack can. I'd get slack 12.2 over 12.0, though [14:08] you can install slackware from a USB stick if you do things correctly on it [14:09] nix_chix0r: you spawned didn't you [14:09] there's a howto for mandriva that should essentially be the same for slackware, in terms of booting and installing from a USB stick (which is faster than a DVD, ironically) [14:09] and yeah, install the latest slackware (12.2) [14:09] not yet [14:09] spawned! lol [14:09] Action: TwinReverb has slackware 12.2 installed on a 99% encrypted hard drive (only /boot is clear) [14:09] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.35.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] eh, it'll boot from a usb cdrom [14:09] nullboy was launched as a child process from init :P [14:09] I'm burning the disk right now [14:10] omg http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-9?cs=19&s=dhs&ref=homepg you can customize your mini9 with ubuntu! [14:11] Action: TwinReverb would "customize" it with ubuntu only to "liberate" it with slackware upon arrival :) [14:11] holy krap $249 that's nuts [14:11] liberate/obliterate....yeah [14:12] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:13] yeah obliterate would be a good word for it [14:14] omg $500 with 64gb solid state drive, 2gb ram, 1.3mp cam. i don't know if it's worth it or not. [14:15] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:15] the atom processor is zippy for most stuff, but compiling stuff on an atom processor would be painfully slow [14:16] skibur_ (n=skibur@c-98-196-141-129.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [14:16] the umpc thing is tempting but i couldn't justify it [14:16] my 13" sony core 2 duo is much more zippy [14:17] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] TwinReverb, "liberate it"? :) [14:18] my friend has a 17" laptop. i do not know how he deals with such a huge laptop [14:18] nachox, yeah, from ubuntu :D [14:18] more of an upgrade, putting slackware on there [14:18] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [14:18] hahaha [14:18] i guess liberating isn't the word [14:18] now if it had vista, yes, liberating is an excellent word [14:18] Nick change: Guest82950 -> reallove [14:19] TwinReverb- yeah, I paid $249 for mine. Then I bought a $220 64gb ssd for it :-\ [14:20] having any less than YYYYx768 is retarded if you ask me [14:20] (display resolution) [14:20] but now I'm going to play with slackware on it for a bit [14:20] and then sell off the hdd and unit seperately [14:20] netman86, um ok [14:20] a rather expensive hobby you have there [14:20] because the keyboard sucks. My latitude d430 is about twice as big, but works way better [14:20] yeah, lets not talk about expenses just now ;) [14:20] although if someone offered to do the same for me, so that all i did was experiment with slackware on things, i'd "test drive" slackware on practically anything [14:20] Action: netman86 happens to be in the market for a house [14:20] tntslack (n=will@adsl82-216.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:21] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:22] well g'night [14:22] TwinReverb (n=robert@210.182.33.9) left irc: "Leaving" [14:25] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:27] Funny how everyone seems to reinvent the wheel on stuff that works. There are keyboards 10 years ago that worked much better than a lot of new ones. So many good features that get reinvented [14:27] Like the oldschool AT style IBM keyboards? [14:27] best ever. [14:27] model M? loud and clunky [14:28] Even for phones- there have been some great keypads. Now, on a lot of phones, you press a key to send a text or dial a number, and the key's so spongy you don't even know if you pressed it [14:28] Quite. I like them loud and clunky :) [14:28] i'm sure you do. try working in an office with those :) [14:28] Nick change: kitche -> kitche__ [14:28] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:28] when I'm in the office I'm the only person there that matters, screw everyone else [14:28] i still have a couple of them, built like a tank. too bad they're so loud [14:29] netman86 : right, i'm glad you're one of the few that doesn't work in a cubicle farm [14:29] :D [14:29] I go to cubicle farms to fix problems that the users cause. [14:29] you're so special [14:29] not really, I just love my job [14:30] which makes me rare :-p [14:30] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:30] that has nothing to do with it [14:30] ananke: i used to live in a house when I was a co-op student, and the lady I rented the room from complained that my keyboard was too loud at night [14:30] Nick change: kitche__ -> kitche [14:30] ananke: she said: "Stop using your typewriter!" [14:31] lol [14:31] that's how you know your keyboard rocks! [14:31] were you using model M? :) [14:31] ananke: whatever my dad gave me. It still works, actually. [14:31] it definitely had an AT connector. [14:31] did it have a detachable cord? [14:32] no. [14:32] k, then it probably wasn't model M [14:32] those ibm keyboards could crack a skull and continue working as if nothing happened [14:32] yep. they weigh like 2kg [14:32] wow. [14:33] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M <- i can't find the weight though [14:34] ananke: it's the same layout, tho. [14:34] also your fingers grew stronger if you used it :) programmers from that time could crash windpipes like Steven Seagal [14:36] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [14:41] Modem M owned! [14:41] Model M* [14:43] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] evening stx :) [14:47] I miss that old keyboard of mine, last time I used it I was installing Slackware 3.6. Long time ago! [14:47] hey nachox [14:50] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] ITechJunkie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:52] Can someone point me in the direction of the command used to connect to a wifi network in linux CLI? I need to read the man page... [14:52] iwconfig ? [14:53] yup, iwconfig is the one [14:54] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [14:55] Alright. Looks like I'm not quite that far anyhow, lspci doesnt seem to even list my wireless card :-\ [14:55] ITechJunkie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] what wifi card is it? [14:56] Don't know, to be honest [14:57] all I know is its a half length pci-e card [14:57] mobile version, that is [14:58] if you can find out the brand card and what chip is on the card that would be a good place to start [14:58] it's probably a broadcom. I'm looking it up right now. [14:59] wow, screw that. wheres my screwdriver, it will tell me [15:00] broadcom, bcm94312mcg [15:02] i think there is a bc43 driver/firmware thing for it, from what i hear that wifi chip make Linux users cringe [15:02] Well, perhaps I should put in a different one, then. [15:03] lets see... I've got a broadcom bcm4311kfbg sitting here [15:04] ...that's the same card, isn't it [15:04] Damnit, dell. [15:04] I dont want to take the intel chip out of my other laptop [15:05] i would work with finding out which is the better of the two and try to get that one working, maybe do some searching & research at linuxquestions.org and see what others are doing to get it working, i am sure someone else already had to deal with that wifi card [15:06] well, the one thats in there shipped with the unit, and the unit shipped with ubuntu [15:06] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:07] Dell? or one of those little netbooks? [15:07] yes [15:07] its a dell netbook ;) [15:07] mini 9? [15:08] Yep. [15:08] i have that working with opensuse 11.1, so linux can work with it [15:09] well if ubuntu was running on it and the wifi was working, I see no reason why it wouldnt work in slackware. I just don't know where to start. [15:09] I may need to modify the kernel to use the pci-e slot, even... as I dont see the wifi card in lspci [15:09] here's what packages i had to install on opensuse, maybe that will point you in the right direction: zypper in broadcom-wl-kmp-pae broadcom-wl [15:09] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.148.178.193) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Guess I should dig up my flash drive or something, they're not going to make this easy. I wish networking devices would work out of the box. [15:11] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:11] it was easy on suse :) [15:12] Perhaps I should use a different distro? I only want to play with CLI tools on it, I'd imagine they're pretty much all the same [15:12] if ubuntu wasnt so CLI-hating I'd just use the os it shipped with [15:12] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "Killed (rox (Requested by panasync))" [15:12] because all the hardware was configured in that one [15:14] i'm not sure what you define as 'cli-hating' [15:14] ubuntu and I dont get along so well, because I dont like using X within linux, and ubuntu doesnt like users doing anything outside of X [15:15] perhaps I'll give it a second try, though. I tend to get angry quickly and don't forgive easily [15:16] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:17] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-60-140.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:18] guys, after upgrading to latest -current (kde 4) k3b stopped recognizing my cd; is this any known issue? [15:18] I think I saw someone mentioning it [15:18] k3b is broken for me in kde4 [15:20] bollocks [15:20] konus (n=cfa@217.113.232.13) joined ##slackware. [15:20] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) joined ##slackware. [15:20] the only 3 apps I use from kde is basket, ktorrent and... k3b :A [15:21] ITechJunkie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:22] nullboy: How is it broken? It works fine for me with KDE 4.2.1. [15:22] for me, it can't detect the devices [15:23] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] Kaapa: Hmm, it picks mine up ok. I have a LG Burner connected via sata. I just got it about a week or two ago. [15:23] it totally crashes [15:23] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] segfaults [15:24] nullboy: Oh. I haven't experienced that. I guess I am lucky then. :) [15:24] firebird619: are you using the kde compat libs? [15:24] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [15:24] nullboy: Yeah. I suppose that's why? [15:25] G'afternoon (or evenin' or mornin' dependin' where y'are) [15:26] MLanden: Hey. How are you doing today? it's 2:26 PM here. [15:26] firebird619: probably [15:26] recently replaced my kb and mouse. i can use the kb to enter the bios; i can't use it at grub--it's unresponsive, but it works after the os is loaded. you guys have any idea why that might be? [15:26] Kaapa: what about you? [15:27] Doin' fine thanks,firebird619: 3:25 PM here [15:27] antler: try checking the USB legacy support options in your bios [15:27] nullboy: ah, ok i [15:27] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:27] 'll try that now [15:27] brb [15:27] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Client Quit [15:27] nullboy: no [15:28] firebird619: are you running -current? [15:28] bono (i=bono@118-168-232-143.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] nullboy: yes. [15:29] something replaced raidtools, right? [15:30] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [15:31] dude how old is your last install? [15:31] nullboy: who, me? [15:31] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-26.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:31] can one be more moronic than this: "enable usb keyboard support" is clearly listed as an option in the bios. i had mine set to "disable". thanks nullboy :P [15:31] yeah [15:31] antler: yay [15:31] nullboy: I'm using -current [15:31] my last install was.... dunno... slack 4 or slack 7 [15:32] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:32] wmaikon (n=wmaikon@189.73.122.70) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] MIrrorIMage (n=MIrrorIM@75-143-74-19.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:34] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:34] where can i find the upgrade.txt for current? [15:34] nullboy: what's the name of the kde compat libs? Can't find them anymore [15:36] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:36] Kaapa: they're in extra/ [15:36] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:38] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:39] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [15:39] should they be installed for k3b? [15:40] ok, kdelibs *are* installed [15:41] I was searching for a package named kde3-compat [15:41] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:41] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.148.178.193) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:43] Kaapa: it's mdadm [15:43] about the raid question [15:43] Kaapa: just look at the LVM and crypt readme's on the install media [15:44] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] ananke, wow, i've just booted an opensuse cd and i'm already impressed [15:46] easytarget (n=irc@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:47] why UPGRADE.TXT from -current says: Slackware 12.1 to 12.2 Upgrade HOWTO [15:47] ? [15:47] i mean, it crashed but it's beautiful at even that :P [15:48] LnxSlck: because what you want ti to say slackware 12.2 to 12.1234567890 upgrade HOWTO? [15:48] easytarget (n=irc@enneman.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [15:48] kitche, no.. upgrade from 12.2 to current [15:48] wmaikon (n=wmaikon@189-11-164-134.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:48] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [15:48] well -current is called 12.1234567890 :) [15:48] kitche, can i use that file to upgrade to -current? [15:49] LnxSlck: probably I have not looked at the file but I believe you can [15:49] kitche, because it talks of 12.2 packages and i was expecting current packages :S [15:52] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:53] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:53] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:53] http://lifehacker.com/5170138/five-best-linux-distributions ... [15:57] Nick change: Hermaniette -> Hermann [16:00] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.148.195.56) joined ##slackware. [16:01] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [16:01] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. 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[16:09] i would think not [16:09] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:09] anyone ever used the SBo ettercap build? [16:10] man. ettercap is insanely rad [16:10] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150040046.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:10] ettercap is awesome [16:10] but fglrx hates me [16:10] won't run at all :( [16:10] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:11] the sound in gltron hates me [16:11] and i have all the deps installed [16:11] the funny part is how long ettercap has been around and how long it took for the ssl mitm to get blown up in the headlines [16:12] oh no, my new server has a DOA drive :( [16:12] edman007 , try this for install fglrx http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/ATI-Wiki-Slackbuild_(ENG) [16:12] Action: edman007 has been using the slackbuild in the official installer [16:13] ckt1g3r, that one tells me to do what i have been doing [16:13] Action: nix_chix0r trips edman007 [16:14] i've been talking to the dev at amd and he can't figure it out :/ [16:14] ow [16:14] Action: edman007 kicks nix_chix0r [16:14] ass [16:14] nix_chix0r, now your not preggo, so i can attack you! [16:15] i am still pregant nubface [16:15] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] no one got me any linux baby outfits so i gota buy some [16:16] is it normal for the clock to drift by 5 seconds every day? [16:16] nooper: dying battery? [16:16] bad timings [16:17] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [16:17] sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org && hwclock --systohc [16:17] nix_chix0r, but you said you went to the hospital :P [16:17] its stuck? [16:18] his cord is stuck [16:19] lube it up [16:19] doesn't work that way [16:19] it's serious buisness man [16:19] nooper: depending on hardware yes. so man came up with ntp/ntpd [16:19] i'm cereal! [16:19] edman007, i outa come there and just smack you for being so lame [16:20] haha [16:20] do it [16:20] i'm on spring break :D [16:20] hrm anyone know a trusted azureus package - there ain't one on SBo ? [16:20] nix_chix0r: cord is stuck? [16:20] chopp: when you setup your router/AP did you use the stock rc.ip_forward script? [16:21] antler, yeah it's floating below him and if they break my water i'll have to get a c section so i have to see if it moves out of the way on it's own [16:22] Action: nullboy passes out [16:22] bahh, reach in and square that shit up yourself ;) [16:22] nullboy: I did yes, but have since given my head a shake and got my ap off the firewall box, and into my main box. [16:22] nix_chix0r: oh ok. so you're still pregnant. i thought you had him already and his chord (stub) was somehow stuck [16:22] lol [16:22] i dont mean to gross any one out [16:22] chopp: you still bridge it right? [16:22] im just as frustrated [16:22] just on a different box? [16:23] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:23] nullboy: yes [16:23] k [16:23] nix_chix0r: when is he due? [16:23] antler, technically on saturday 21st, [16:23] edman007: ettercap gives me much ph33r [16:23] nix_chix0r: if not by then and the cord's ok, then they induce? [16:23] hey nix_chix0r [16:23] i'm going to show it to a couple people who will freak [16:24] antler, yeah, if my water doesn't break or my labor doesn't progress on its own.cause i'm dealin with this at home [16:24] nullboy, ettercap is awesome, i have sniffed password from https sessions of people on a wired network with me on wifi [16:24] nullboy: I've had alot of fun with ettercap myself. [16:25] edman007: yeah that's what i'm tripping on. i just did the same thing as a test on my lan [16:25] and it catches all the email/http connections and prints the password [16:25] most people wouldn't even think twice about the double cert warnings [16:25] run it on your network and you just start seeing all your password get spammed on the screen [16:25] ahh slacky.eu ;-] [16:25] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) joined ##slackware. [16:25] superGear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] nullboy: in my bridge script I just have "echo '1' > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" [16:30] ah [16:30] tntslack (n=will@adsl82-216.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] grazymax (n=grazymax@host234-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:34] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:41] superGear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-165.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] jre is installed by default [16:41] bash-3.1# slapt-get --list | grep jre [16:41] jre-6u11-i586-1 [inst=yes]: Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition Runtime Environment, [16:41] indeed. [16:41] Channel flood from dusty__ -- kicking [16:41] hrm [16:41] dusty__ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:42] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:42] thrice`, whatsup with this then: http://rafb.net/p/X7kEma58.html ? [16:43] if oyu're asking me why some crappy 3rd party package you downloaded doesn't work, I have no clue [16:43] hmm strange, Eterm reads .bashrc as root but not user. aterm reads it as user. [16:44] why do you want azureus, anyway? it's (arguably) one of the worst torrent programs available [16:44] bloated piece of crap now [16:44] I like deluge [16:44] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:44] I like qbittorrent [16:45] never tried that one [16:45] transmission is great too [16:45] kbittorrent is nice. [16:45] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: "Leaving" [16:45] or ktorrent from /extra [16:46] By which I mean, ktorrent. [16:46] rtorrent is not bad, I use it on my server. [16:46] no kde on this box, and never will be. [16:47] then again, you are using slapt-get and linuxpackages, so i'm not expecting much [16:47] transmission ftw !! [16:47] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] dusty__, you ask for a 'trusted' package and then you go to slacky.eu. slacky.eu is not 'trusted' [16:49] dusty__, you would be better off grabbing it from the official site and installing [16:49] if you insist on using it... [16:50] slacky.eu..........yuck [16:50] tntslack (n=will@adsl82-216.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] C-Peemp (n=John@190.240.37.152) joined ##slackware. [16:52] How reliable is slamd64 compared to Slackware? [16:52] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [16:52] about the same [16:54] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "leaving" [16:57] Recently, Flash has performed more stably there. [17:00] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:00] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-62.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:00] Tirili (n=opera@dslb-088-070-046-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host114-12-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:02] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:03] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [17:04] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] Can I help the slackware developers to get the newest version of pidgin to their patch-packages by compiling it on my computer making it available? [17:05] dive, Ok I didn't realise, now I do I will stay clear of slacky.eu. dive so best of compiling it from the azureus website rather than finding my own package ? [17:05] dusty__, yeah unless you can find a SB for it [17:05] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] dusty__: may I point you to slackbuilds.org [17:06] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] aceofspades19, I am aware of slackbuilds - I also checked it for azureus before I did anything, it's not there. [17:06] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-71-70.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:07] I just use rtorrent myself [17:08] dusty__, then learn how to make a SB and submit it to SBo yourself - that's how packages get put up there [17:08] Tirili: Packages from third parties are not generally accepted into the main Slackware tree. [17:08] dive, That sounds like a good idea. [17:08] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:08] dusty__, look on the submissions links - there is a template and all the info you need about which files to include [17:08] Submitting a way to build it properly, however, is welcome. [17:09] awesome - thank you. [17:09] I exspect the reason it isn't up there already is that it's hard to make a SB for it [17:09] sometimes packaging software is a bitch [17:10] most of the ones I've done were a total pain cause makefile doesn't support $DESTDIR [17:10] so what your saying is its quite possible it won't compile on slackware? [17:10] dusty__: no, i said that making a package is sometimes a pain [17:10] dusty__, we are saying that it might be harder than you think to make a build script [17:10] ok [17:10] but have a go [17:11] that's how you will learn [17:11] it will be a little adventure to say the least though. [17:11] Azurues is Java. It doesn't *need* to be compiled. [17:11] ;-] [17:11] and contribute something too [17:11] jkwood: just going to say that [17:11] dont use azureus for torrents [17:11] DeeeeP, why not ? [17:11] use rtorrent instead [17:11] cause il consumes a lot of resources [17:11] DeeeeP, why ? [17:11] ok [17:11] i use ktorrent [17:11] jkwood, do you mean creating a SlackBuild? [17:12] java is a mem eater [17:12] DeeeeP, is rtorrent the console based one ? [17:12] yes, that one [17:12] ahh [17:12] rtorrent is awesome when you have a server with no gui [17:12] I think I will use azureus for now, I want to see how packages are built. [17:12] I will be submitting a SB for qbittorrent soon - but it needs QT4 [17:12] I upgraded my -current installation to the latest -current and got tne new shiny xfce 4.6. it works pretty well except that xfrun4 and mousepad among others just blink on the screen then segfault. any ideas why this could be? [17:13] Tirili: A SlackBuild, or a patch to the current SlackBuild, or something along those lines. [17:13] aceofspades19, there's an option on rtorrent , to check some dir u choose for new .torrent files [17:13] Hermann: are those new packages too or old, existing packages? [17:13] aceofspades19, all u need is to download it or copy it to that dir , and rtorrent will download it automaticaly [17:13] DeeeeP: thats pretty interesitng [17:13] interesting* [17:13] so , no need to see the console [17:14] but I like to check on them though [17:14] just put it there for download, and check later if its all done [17:14] u can check on rtorrent [17:14] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:14] nullboy: I used slackpkg upgrade-all and have added missing libs afterwards when programs doesn't start (checked with ldd). xfrun4 och mousepad are included in the xfce-package [17:14] it have stats for every torrent downloadnig / seeding [17:14] ok, but I it seems like there are only programs made available on SlackBuilds, which are not part of the main Slackware tree. Is this right? [17:15] Hermann: did you clean-system and install-new ? [17:15] Right. But, there are SlackBuilds available for almost everything in Slackware. [17:15] They're in the source directory. [17:15] Tirili, u have millions of software for linux , slackware is just a bunch of those apps , carefully choosen [17:15] use clean-system to remove any official packages that have been removed and keep everything else [17:16] nullboy: no, thinking about it I did not [17:17] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.43.10) joined ##slackware. [17:17] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:19] Which source directory are you talking of? [17:19] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-075-080.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:20] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-current/source/ [17:21] Is that also a part of the Slackware tree? I cannot find it here: http://packages.slackware.it/browse.php?q=12.2 [17:21] Tirili: there will not be a new pidgin in slackware-12.2/patches unless pidgin has a serious security bug that risks a compromised system [17:22] alienBOB: is pidging being axed from the whole distro? [17:22] pidgin* [17:23] Well, they added beta support for SSL using Aim and ICQ. [17:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:23] jkwood: yeah i've been using that option too [17:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:23] ;) [17:24] jkwood: but i had also been using the pidgin encrpytion and plugin packs [17:24] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] the thing about pidgin i dont like is the file transfers under msn protocol [17:25] so slow it hurts [17:25] Hermann (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:26] I don't see any security updates in the last few changelogs, though. Nothing system-compromising, just tinfoil-hattery. [17:26] nullboy: did the slamd64 compile of firefox work ok for you? [17:26] redtricycle: yeah man i made it work [17:26] nullboy: sweet, any noticible difference in speed? [17:26] i know have Minefield [17:26] amoc (n=amoc@124.49.51.183) left irc: "quit" [17:26] no [17:27] ah, okay, that was what I was going for [17:27] it's firefox what do you want? [17:28] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/minefield_slackware-current.png [17:30] nullboy: why do you think pidgin would be removed? I did not state that. It is not going to happen either [17:31] well i didn't say you stated that though. i just asked if it was. thanks though [17:31] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:32] nullboy: link is no good [17:32] andarius: i just killed it [17:32] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-91-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:33] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:36] rg3_ (n=rg3@62.32.129.181) joined ##slackware. [17:38] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@glasnost.us) joined ##slackware. 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[18:19] Action: macavity starts singing and dancing [18:20] cause is sunday night , 2morrow is work day [18:20] :) [18:20] hellanio (n=hellanio@201008245156.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:20] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] t0f (n=foo@wlk-barre-69-72-81-194.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] Looking for packages to upgrade. Please wait... DONE [18:22] 2026 Aborted | xargs dialog --title $2 --backtitle "slackpkg $VERSION" $HINT --checklist "Choose packages to $2:" 19 70 13 2>$TMPDIR/dialog.out [18:22] Package xargs: is already in cache - not downloading [18:22] Channel flood from hellanio -- kicking [18:22] md5sum: /var/cache/packages/xargs:: No such file or directory [18:22] hellanio kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:22] hellanio (n=hellanio@201008245156.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:22] hellanio: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com [18:22] netman86 (n=como@cpe-74-75-64-16.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "I cannot stop this ride, This seems the only way" [18:23] i know that there has to be a program or something that i can run to create partitions that were not in the /dev/ directory when i originally booted. I took an 80g disk that only had one partition (hde1) on it and created hde2, but there is no '/dev/hde2' so i can't access it. i CAN re-boot, but re-boots are for hardware and kernel upgrades (: do i 'mknod' or something like that? [18:24] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-166-110.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:25] hellanio (n=hellanio@201008245156.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "volto" [18:26] do i need to kill udev and restart it? [18:26] t0f: poke udev with a SIGHUP perhaps? [18:26] hellanio (n=hellanio@201008245156.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:26] HUP? i'll try it [18:27] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:28] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-185-005.mycingular.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] no SIGHUP didn't do it [18:29] then udev restart that is, im affraid... [18:29] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:30] yes, i hate to do it, but i suppose i'll have to reboot [18:30] but i'd like a solution to this issue [18:30] You can create the device node manually of course [18:30] /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart ? [18:31] cant you just /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart? [18:31] oh? [18:31] i'll try that [18:31] jeezo pete. spook, i wish you would put me out of my misery [18:33] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] Like - mknod /dev/hde2 b 33 2 [18:34] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:35] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [18:36] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:37] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Connection timed out [18:37] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [18:38] tof-- (n=foo@wlk-barre-69-72-81-194.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart as root did not do it [18:39] i'll try mknod [18:40] mknod seems to have done it, but the group is not 'disk' for the new device, hm [18:41] guttersplunk (n=chris@ool-4579690c.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] maybe it'll work as root,root [18:43] you think that the udev team is aware of this? [18:46] 'udevadm --reload_rules' perhaps? [18:46] other than libgdiplus, there any deps needed to get the mono runtime working proper on slack? [18:47] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) joined ##slackware. [18:48] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) joined ##slackware. [18:48] t0f: there is also the "chown" command to fix the device ownership [18:48] Like - chown root:disk /dev/hde2 [18:48] t0f: though that won't help if the partition table needs rescanning. What did you use to create the partition? [18:49] Urchlay: I wondered the same. Usually the device will get created when fdisk creates the new partition and writes that info to disk [18:50] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.173.193) joined ##slackware. [18:51] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:52] hm, maybe "sfdisk -R /dev/hde"? '-R Only execute the BLKRRPART ioctl (to make the kernel re-read the partition table)' [18:53] keep in mind that any changes you make with things like chown are not persistent across reboots because of udev [18:54] in /dev that is [18:55] I'd expect udev to pick up that new partition after reboot anyway [18:55] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] cant you restart udev too? [18:58] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [19:00] sijp (n=bioloog@195-240-2-3.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:00] sijp (n=bioloog@195-240-2-3.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Client Quit [19:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:01] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) joined ##slackware. [19:01] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-52-184-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] t0f: if you run "fdisk -l /dev/hde" does it in fact show that /dev/hde2 exists? Maybe you forgot to write the new partition table before exiting fdisk? [19:02] Does evince come on Slackware 12.2 (or on the disc image?) [19:02] Or any other pdf viewer? [19:03] Cryp71c: well there's xpdf, and whatever KDE uses (is it called kpdf?) [19:03] kpdf in KDE 3, Okular in KDE 4. [19:03] ...which isn't included in 12.2 [19:04] Action: jkwood wanders off muttering to himself [19:04] wow, a KDE program that doesn't start with K... this is an historic occasion! :) [19:04] lol [19:05] t0f (n=foo@wlk-barre-69-72-81-194.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:05] There are lots of KDE programs that don't start with a K in 4. [19:05] tof-- (n=foo@wlk-barre-69-72-81-194.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] Okular, Okteta... Uhh... [19:06] ...Photoshop... [19:06] Akonadi [19:06] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] should I say "historic okasion" then? [19:06] photoshop? [19:07] Dolphin [19:07] am glad they're moving away from everything being called ksomething [19:08] Urchlay: presume that I've completely stripped any (and all) part of KDE, would that still leave me with xpdf? [19:08] So, do most of you guys use KDE 4.x now then ? [19:08] not i [19:08] dusty__: haha, no. [19:08] :) [19:08] just trusty old kde-3.5.10 here [19:08] same here [19:08] Urchlay: nevermind, I've already determined that I have xpdf installed [19:08] dwm for me. [19:08] Minimalistic is the new black. [19:09] xfce. and screen :) [19:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.154.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:09] i use a custom built fvwm2 with a custom ~.fvwm2rc [19:10] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] still using windowmaker here... [19:11] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:11] Urchlay: Old joke. [19:11] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) left irc: "Leaving" [19:12] I can't find the video, but it was a parody of the Mac vs. PC ads. The Mac guy was listing games, and ended with "Uh... Photoshop..." [19:13] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host114-12-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [19:13] lol there have been a lot of mac vs pc parodys [19:13] i remember that. what was the other game he said that's like 20 years old? [19:13] jkwood: I remember that one. [19:13] I'm waiting for someone to make a truely epic one which destroys both macs and PCs to the tune of Linux [19:13] i'm officially a happy person, suspend and resume works in my opensolaris laptop!! [19:13] the pc vs mac vs linux ones with the chick are good [19:14] Odius (n=macele@adsl-76-228-34-88.dsl.hrlntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] Yeah so xpdf is a bit too minimalistic. I think I'm going to screw around with evince [19:15] If I 'make' and it spits back something along the lines of 'no makefile found' that means the ./configure didn't complete sufficiently?> [19:15] Affirmative, Cap'n. [19:15] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-47-243-107.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:15] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Wait... so you won't install KDE, but you're willing to install half of Gnome to use evince? [19:16] jkwood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjpn3L3bSJQ [19:16] Cryp71c: epdfview is a good alternative [19:16] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:17] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) joined ##slackware. [19:17] It's not that one, guttersplunk, but thanks. =) [19:17] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) left irc: SendQ exceeded [19:17] jkwood: na I'm not, I just stumbled upon the fact that evince requires Gnome to be installed. [19:17] g0000ga (n=g0ga@93.127.71.15) left irc: "bb everybody" [19:17] Yeah, epdfview would be a good choice. [19:18] what's wrong with xpdf? [19:18] oh [19:18] I just read up [19:18] Which is 'tarded'...I wish people would stop making stuff which depends on lots of other shit. [19:18] kamaji: the 'open' menu is particularly horrible, its like 250 pixels wide x 300 pixels high. They didn't think through their 'default size' [19:19] Cryp71c: I've _never_ used that :P [19:19] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) joined ##slackware. [19:19] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/office/epdfview/ [19:19] I just open stuff witht he shell [19:19] but yeah: it's pretty crappy for anything other than basic viewing [19:19] poppler should come with 12.2 [19:19] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Hey, does slackware run on the powerpc? [19:20] not modern versions no [19:20] dangit :< [19:20] there's a slack based distro that does [19:20] jkwood: good point :> [19:20] guttersplunk: slackintosh? [19:20] there seem to be a few [19:20] yeah thats what i was thinking [19:21] I will take a peeeek [19:21] might run bsd on it, I haven't tried a unix yet [19:22] doesnt look very current but it's the only slack for mac i know of [19:22] 12.1? seems fairly good [19:22] considering nobody uses ppc anymore ^^ [19:23] http://www.freelists.org/post/slackintosh-users/Slackintosh-122 [19:23] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [19:24] heh, in its death throes then [19:25] konus (n=cfa@217.113.232.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:26] http://www.freelists.org/post/slackintosh-users/Slackintosh-122,9 <-- The most telling post, I would think. [19:26] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] yeah :\ [19:27] kamaji: i hate to bring you down.. but *bsd is not UNIX :P [19:27] Hardware woes can slow a project down considerably. That, and porting to a new arch isn't 100% straightforward under any circumstances. [19:27] macavity: wut [19:27] It's hard enough trying to work with x86_64, and that's a derivative arch. [19:28] kamaji: for a large part, GNU/Linux is closer to the Single UNIX Specification than, say FreeBSD [19:28] anyone built kino from SBo on the latest -current? i have to make this change for it to build - --disable-local-ffmpeg + --enable-local-ffmpeg [19:28] mind=blown [19:28] kamaji: OpenBSD is getting close too [19:28] I always thought the BSDs were unices(unixes?) [19:28] kamaji: they are decendants of UNIX, but they are far from POSIX compliant [19:28] Unix is a trademark [19:29] kamaji: MacOS is a certified UNIX [19:29] certified by whom? [19:29] kamaji: and, i belive, OpenSolaris is too [19:29] kamaji: the X/Open Group owns the UNIX trademark [19:30] a big svg from wiki attempting to explain this just crashed firefox :\ [19:31] kamaji: to be a UNIX you must adhere to POSIX, The Single UNIX Specification, and optionally the XSI extemtions... and pay some $25.000 for red tape and rubber stamps :P [19:31] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "over and over i try. screw it, next item on the list" [19:31] i thought novell was now deemed the official owner of UNIX [19:31] macavity: european, eh? :P [19:31] kamaji: huh? [19:32] I was thinking "$25 is pretty cheap" [19:32] and then I noticed the extra decimal place [19:32] What about the Santa Cruz Organization (SCO)? [19:32] guttersplunk: no, Novel is now the official owner of the source code of the original UNIX [19:32] guttersplunk: ... not the UNIX brand in general [19:33] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:33] MLanden: you mean the smoking pile of ashes formerly known as SCO? [19:33] ah. i thought the SCC vs Novell cases ended with novell being granted all UNIX IP including the name [19:33] is X part of POSIX? [19:33] nope [19:33] does it include anything like that? [19:33] nope [19:33] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:34] macavity: are you on intel 965 ? [19:34] POSIX defines standard tools and OS interface calls [19:34] thrice`: nope, i945GM here [19:34] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-103.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] thrice`: i would like to own a 965 though :-/ [19:34] thrice`: .. it has vertex shading in hardware [19:34] hm, I had no idea Slackintosh was still a living project [19:35] Action: Urchlay misses his Mac [19:35] and using xf86-video-intel 2.6+ ? [19:35] thrice`: i can switch to it... need anything? [19:36] nah, just curious if you had any suspend / resume issues [19:36] there are several known issues with that [19:36] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:36] indeed :) [19:36] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [19:36] latest git of linus' tree, plus git libdrm should get most of it ironed out [19:37] ... if you have xserver 1.6.0 [19:37] the non-KMS case is apparently still a little fucked up [19:37] and, needless to say, KMS and pre-1.6.0 is not going to fly anywhere [19:38] thanks,macavity on that info [19:38] I've read it very broken on 1.5.3 as well [19:40] uhm, yes.. [19:40] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:40] you pretty much need git of everything these days :P [19:41] nophis (n=amenophi@189.71.111.31) joined ##slackware. [19:41] guttersplunk (n=chris@ool-4579690c.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:41] macavity, no, opensolaris is not a certified UNIX, only Solaris 10, HP-UX, AIX 5.3 and OSX, no BSD or linux distro got certified, and i have the feeling it is impossible for linux atm [19:41] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:43] this is the current state of wifi http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1237158997845.jpg [19:43] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [19:44] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] nullboy: lulz [19:44] nullboy: roger [19:44] nachox: roger [19:45] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-76-64.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:45] nachox: ^H^H^H^H^H [19:45] eeek [19:45] never mind.. i give up [19:45] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] Action: macavity gets fragged by tabcompletion [19:45] hehe, i meant the latest UNIX specification, SCO got an earlier certification for example [19:45] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "bbl" [19:47] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) left irc: "Leaving" [19:47] @ linux SUS certif : not that much impossible, more like not very practical I think. [19:48] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:49] no, it is impossible, may switches in the gnu tools conflict with those in the specification [19:50] hmm, may be, I'm not 100% sure but most of them have POSIX compliant mode methinks... but again cant say everyone of them... [19:51] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] What comes with slackware 12.2 that is non-kde dependant to open .doc files? [19:52] although in the end.. RH or Novell could eventualy mount a SUS compliant distro (they do a lot of patching in house anyway) it's just the cost/benefit ratio is not that motivating [19:52] Cryp71c, nothing, download openoffice [19:52] speaking of Novell [19:53] mads- (n=piklort@pdpc/supporter/active/mads-) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Cryp71c: Nothing, I don't think. Openoffice can be built using a SlackBuild (it's a binary repackaging, so it's very quick to build.) [19:53] Novell is feeling the burn from getting in bed with microsoft, nobody is buying license vouchers from microsoft [19:53] Hi. I want to install slackware on my laptop using a USB pen (4 GB). Anyone has a link to a guide in which I can read about how to install slackware using the USB pen? [19:54] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:54] tk3000 (n=tk3000@adsl-68-255-63-207.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] koolniczka, i dont know what will become of novell in the next 3 years, suse is not doing that well, their identity and log management stuff have some future though [19:54] Tirili (n=opera@dslb-088-070-046-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] mads-: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/12.2/ [19:56] jkwood : thanks [19:56] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [19:56] nachox: in which sense "not going well"? you mean the usability of the distro or the market stand? [19:56] No problem. [19:56] koolniczka, market [19:56] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] their opensuse is beautiful, much more so than ubuntu [19:57] well, who is doing well these days ? ;) most vendors are pretty much in survival mode ;) [19:57] redhat is doing fine [19:58] anybody would know the implication of using ntfsresize to shrink a ntfs and then using fdisk to redefine the partition size, the confusin is using "sector as a unit" since it seems to vary. any enlightment? [19:59] their java stuff is thriving [19:59] nophis_ (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [19:59] nachox: jboss you mean? I\ve seen a lot of references to it recently [20:00] koolniczka, mainly because of a recent lawsuit? :P [20:00] what got me a stupid about novell hooking up with microsoft about that deal they made was, anyone in the IT profession already knows all about Linux and *NIX in general so why would they throw money at microsoft when there are plenty of distros that can be downloaded free since they most likely already have the knowhow to do their own in-house mantenence & troubleshooting [20:01] nachox: ahh, this news I apparently missed, ;) as for novell, they may be too passive in the end, but this can change, the base is sound, the management is other story ;) [20:01] koolniczka, they've been RIFing people so i dont know [20:02] i like their directory server and their log management stuff is probably the best there is [20:05] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:05] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] haha this is great. http://noobfarm.org/?id=1448 [20:06] nachox: layouffs arent necessarily the worst there is, if you can do stuff more effectively with less staff, then you simply do. the economic pressure is there of course but it does not mean Novell is going to end soon. SUN is being burried every year for pretty much last 10 years and is still around. Novell already reinventred themselves at least once, let's hope they can do it again. plus, as you said, the good tech will not just dissapea [20:06] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] umm kind of hard for Novell to get out of the debt they are in unless they sell [20:08] koolniczka, i have to agree with the sun statement. but sun is in a better position, it's in many more markets, solaris has a bigger market share and sun actually has cash to spend [20:09] i wouldnt blink about buying sun hardware if i were in a position to do so [20:10] the only OS that doesn't run on it is the one that is already out of the question [20:10] Action: thrice` would [20:10] nachox: sun may have taken a bigger hit even than anyone else, their root customers are pretty high end (read banks, insurance co.s and the like) and they are in the deepest sh*t. [20:10] plus, everyone i know who has worked with their big-ish iron say the I/O is a marvel [20:10] that is also correct, yes [20:10] noone can afford it anymore [20:11] sun's hardware is not a lot more expensive than dells [20:11] Tirili (n=opera@dslb-088-070-046-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [20:11] sun is mainly big iron now anyways their workstation is a good medium one I know they been slashing prices of things lately [20:11] but i still agree with koolniczka, sun will have problems selling hardware to their core customers in the short term [20:12] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:12] paissad (n=paissad@65.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] i think sun's best bet now is storage [20:13] This may be a silly question, but does Slackware have a package system? [20:13] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:14] mads-: That is a silly question. [20:14] of course [20:14] http://slackbook.org [20:14] thank you :) [20:14] mads-, slackware's package manager does not handle dependencies or downloads crap form the net, though there is an addon that does that [20:14] mads- : yes, although it lacks certain features that most distributions consider essential [20:16] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-26.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:16] Action: jkwood stabs most distributions with a wooden spoon [20:16] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:17] slackpkg is a great way to manage updates, also [20:18] yht_ (i=1000@114.121.94.186) joined ##slackware. [20:18] whiteinge (n=whiteing@oalug/member/whiteinge) left ##slackware. [20:20] slackpkg is just plain great :P [20:20] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:22] nachox: the storage is prety impressive, that's for sure, but moreover, they have complete stack right now, with mysql and vbox aquisitions you can now have pretty much everything you imagine from sun you can imagine, if they manage the integration well this is the dream of every enterprise customer, the only problem is that th enterprise customers are being slightly analy retentive at the moment ;) [20:22] ryht|cuti|seming (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [20:24] koolniczka, to compete in an opensource world, you have to be good at providing services, sun has IMPRESSIVE products, solaris being probably the best there is, but they suck at services, that's it [20:24] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) joined ##slackware. [20:26] nachox: i have not direct experience with sun support (apart from being on sume mailing lists) but then again I'm pretty sure that at some price tag you can have techs camping at the site 24/7 if you can afford it. [20:26] s/not/no [20:26] justin` (n=justin`@unaffiliated/justin) joined ##slackware. [20:27] koolniczka: if the price is right you can have them massage your feet while you ask the questions ;-) [20:28] macavity: and you can pick the flavor of the lotion too;) [20:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:28] yht (i=1000@114.121.99.197) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:29] of course [20:29] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [20:29] faggots [20:30] justin`: It was nice knowing you. [20:30] jkwood, faggot [20:30] nachox: Would you do the honors? [20:30] justin`: that hurts my feelings [20:30] nachox, faggot [20:30] straterra, i love you girlie [20:30] 3 [20:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:30] <3 [20:30] 2 [20:30] <3 [20:30] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [20:30] Channel flood from justin` -- kicking [20:30] <3 [20:30] justin` kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:30] omg, hawt [20:30] 1 [20:30] I win [20:30] Thank me, everyone [20:30] justin` (n=justin`@unaffiliated/justin) joined ##slackware. [20:30] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:30] 0 [20:30] bye guys [20:31] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*unaffiliated/justin' by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.59.71 [20:31] justin` kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [20:31] bye <3 [20:31] man Kings looks like a show I might not like it but not sure yet [20:31] kabooom! [20:31] nophis_ (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: "Leaving" [20:31] tk3000 (n=tk3000@adsl-68-255-63-207.dsl.lgtpmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [20:34] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:35] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:37] wow, haven't seen trolling like that since my a2600w days [20:38] jiffypop: i'm going to murder you [20:38] nix_chix0r: heeeeey [20:38] spook, ?? [20:38] nachox: running joke we have [20:38] not so funny [20:39] ohh, i wont ban you then [20:39] well not to you, but to him it is [20:39] spook: you sweet thang you...i had almost given up all hope [20:39] Odius (n=macele@adsl-76-228-34-88.dsl.hrlntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:39] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:39] can i get to murder someone too? [20:39] good god no, don't ban the spookster [20:39] please? [20:39] i wouldn't know what to do with myself [20:40] i dont do recursion :P [20:40] macavity: sure, once i marry them and take out million dollar life insurance for them [20:40] ah, ok.. you have my email, so just give me a heads up [20:40] :D [20:40] axe or blowtorch? [20:40] have to make it look like an acident [20:42] A horrible welding accident. [20:42] i'll make sure to marry a welder [20:42] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:42] hmmm... The Wedding Singer From Hell :P [20:42] Hi all. [20:43] more like, the welding cinger from hell [20:43] anyhows.. time to hit the bunk [20:43] macavity: you crazy night shifter you. [20:44] it's only 2 [20:44] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "kkhtxbai!" [20:44] early night for you :) [20:44] I just tried to burn a DVD with K3B and it failed. It burned something on my rw-dvd but I can't even mount it. [20:44] whats a rw-dvd? :P [20:45] its rot13 for kill jiffypop [20:46] ganeshix: have you correctly burned things in the past? [20:46] Yes, CDs, never DVDs. [20:46] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [20:46] That just confused me further.. [20:46] spook, I meant cvd+rw [20:46] ganeshix: -current? [20:47] No, slack 12.1 [20:47] what does -current show for /etc/slackware-version ? [20:48] 12.2.0 [20:48] hmmm [20:49] not 12.3456789? [20:49] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] 12.34567890 is in the installer [20:49] happy pi day, for last friday [20:50] mm pi day was yesterday [20:50] erm, saturday [20:51] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:52] Slackware 12.1.0 [20:53] slackware 1.14.15 [20:53] er, [20:53] fail [20:53] slackware 3.14.15 [20:53] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:54] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:54] the most frustrating part is that I can't mount the partially written dvds. They're supposed to be rewritable. So, I guess, if I manage to reformat them, I can use them, or not? [20:54] reformat them lol [20:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [20:55] spook, I meant blank them? [20:56] yeah sure. [20:56] ganeshix: dvd+rw-format [20:56] ganeshix: but have you ever burned a cd correctly with your current hardware + software setup? [20:57] ganeshix: install dvd+rw-tools [20:57] ryht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [20:57] why do people need their wisdom teeth removed anyway? [20:57] ganeshix: try this, cdrecord blank=all -immed dev=/dev/cdrom [20:57] to keep the tooth faery in business :D [20:58] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] man am i tired [20:58] Pig_Pen: and I thought it was to keep the dentist in business [20:58] that too [20:58] hehe [20:59] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] agentc0re, tnx [20:59] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.43.10) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:59] i think wisdom teeth are leftovers from a pre-evolutionaly part of man, probably from cro magnon or some other previous part of the evolutionary tree [20:59] ganeshix: or this, dvd+rw-format -blank=full /dev/dvd [21:00] ganeshix: I've never had to erase any rewrite media, but that's what i found when googling how to. :) [21:00] if you believe in evolution [21:00] if you dont get your wisdom teeth pulled they will eventually cause ploblems with your jaw bone [21:00] Evenin' ( or afternoon/mornin'), folks [21:00] agentc0re, thank you. [21:00] yup, creationizm is a load of religious hogwash [21:00] Pig_Pen: that seems like shitty evolution to me [21:00] Do these ploblems extend to difficulty plonouncing words on irc? [21:01] Pig_Pen: although, if one was to have lost significant numbers of teeth... [21:01] believe what you want, just like i am going to belive what i want, after 47 years of living i made up my mind already [21:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Pig_Pen: before modern dentistry, people woulda lost teeth, which wisdom teeth would sorta replace i guess? [21:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:03] in the distant past life was much harder, and life spans were shorter, people were lucky to live for 40 or 50 years [21:04] yeah but wisdom teeth come through about 20s [21:05] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:06] i asked a med student why ear wax exists, apparently it flows outwards from the ear drum to keep it sterile [21:06] i had my wisdom teeth surgically removed from the bone [21:06] it was brutal operation [21:09] nullboy: You were at least asleep when they were doing it right? [21:10] ryht|cuti|seming (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:10] it hurts afterwards for a while [21:10] when my wisdom teeth were removed they just had to cut through the gums and pull em out, they looked like perfect molars, it made me want to ask the dentist to pull two molars that had fillings and put those new teeth in its place :D [21:10] heheh [21:11] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:11] Aslate (n=Aslate@78-86-174-102.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:11] brand new teeth, seemed like a waste to just throw them away [21:11] hey guys, i've just installed slackware but it doesn't seem to have setup LILO [21:12] Pig_Pen: did you put them under your pillow? [21:12] yeah, and i got a quarter in the morning :D [21:12] Aslate: did it fail during setup? [21:12] No, seemed to go fine [21:12] Pig_Pen: a quarter for two perfect teeth? what a rip [21:12] Aslate: how does it seem not to have installed it? [21:12] I get the Windows bootloader [21:13] Even though i installed it to the MBR [21:13] yes i can see how that could be a problem. [21:13] the mbr on what drive though? [21:13] sda [21:13] some PCs have MBR protection in the BIOS [21:13] Ooh wait... [21:13] r a different harddrive [21:13] or* [21:13] Heh the light came on. :D [21:14] No, it should be on the right one [21:14] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:14] Trying to run the liloconfig doesn't work [21:14] I've got the prompt from the CD, but can't run it [21:15] boot into slackware using a boot usb/cd/dvd etc [21:15] tweak /etc/lilo.conf then run lilo [21:15] If i've got the slackware CD, how do i go about that [21:15] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:15] huge.s root=/dev/sdsomething [21:15] I've currently got the boot: prompt [21:16] initrd= [21:16] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] in the message it shows you [21:16] Ah, so it does [21:17] g'nite all [21:17] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [21:17] boot: hugesmp.s root= rdinit= ro [21:18] How can I chekc which device is mounted where? :) [21:19] mount [21:19] fstab. [21:19] Right, booted [21:19] agentc0re: yeah they gave me something heavy [21:19] it really messed me up too [21:19] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:19] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Action: Aslate re-runs liloconfig and sees wgat happens [21:22] Aslate: no no [21:22] check lilo.conf [21:22] then run lilo [21:23] Prefe (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Ok [21:23] If i can write this to USB it'd be nice actually [21:24] The reason i'm doing this is the last Ubuntu install fucked my Windows bootloader [21:24] Where's lilo.conf gonna be lying about? [21:24] /etc/ [21:24] nullboy: I was on a fly-in job once, and got an abscess tooth but could not get out of camp for three days. When I did get to the dentist, he had to pull the tooth with painkiller doing squat. Near ripped the arms off the chair. [21:25] Ok, got it up [21:25] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] boot /dev/sda [21:26] That seems right [21:26] your windows in there? [21:26] It's got two choices in the conf, Windows and Linux at the bottom [21:27] Windows is on sda1, Linux is on sda6, however it doesn't mention that in the Linux config [21:27] nullboy: http://kepler.nasa.gov/ed/xo/ [21:29] http://pastebin.com/d7639f9bd [21:29] Might help [21:30] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:32] Aslate: [21:32] add: boot-as = 0x80 [21:32] to other= item [21:33] that will trick windows to load [21:33] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:33] No, the problem is that i'm getting the Windows bootloader [21:33] No lilo [21:33] If i could write this to flash it might help [21:34] oh [21:34] write it to the mbr, lilo -M iirc [21:36] Did that in the setup [21:37] well, run lilo -v -v to see if something is failing [21:37] otherwise, you wouldn't be getting windows boot [21:37] unless, you don't have prompt and/or timeout setted [21:38] Gah, rebooted after lilo -M command [21:38] Hang on, i'll get back to where i was [21:38] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:40] Lilo conf has prompt and timeout = 1200 [21:40] And lilo -v -M /dev/sda returns [21:40] that should be ok [21:41] /boot/boot.0800 exists - no /dev/sda backup copy made [21:41] The MBR of /dev/sda has been updated [21:41] ok.. are you booting from that disk? :P [21:42] That's the disk Windows is installed on, so i'd assume so [21:42] Although can i get this to write to my USB stick instead? [21:42] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] Aslate: [21:43] what's root = /dev/root? O.o [21:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:43] can you pastebin the output from running [21:43] That's in the lilo config [21:43] lilo -M mbr -v -v -v [21:43] that's not a valid device [21:44] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-115-216.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:45] by the way, on which partition do you have your root partition? [21:45] http://pastebin.com/m3992a64e [21:45] aliase (n=aliase@75-119-240-78.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [21:46] sda6 [21:46] Aslate: just that? [21:46] change root = /dev/root to root = /dev/sda6 [21:47] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Rightok [21:47] Yeah, that's all i've got from running it [21:47] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:47] There was copyright stuff above [21:47] quick question for the gurus: if I remove linux from a dual boot system, will I still be able to boot into windows if GRUB is on the MBR? [21:48] Aslate: try lilo -v -C /etc/lilo.conf (or where your .conf is) [21:48] yes Bl0tt0 [21:48] mmm [21:48] wait, i'm not sure about grub [21:49] so.. wait for another answer or check it's man page :) [21:49] That seemed to give me more [21:49] Nick change: ackstorm -> posixninja [21:49] yht_ (i=1000@114.121.94.186) left irc: "pulkam" [21:49] I can't really pastebin it, but it says there were 3 warnings [21:49] And it did have the line "Writing boot sector" [21:50] The warnings are about LBA32 addressing assumed and 2 video adapter related [21:51] Aslate: [21:51] ok try now, probably the bad root device [21:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:51] was causing some troubles [21:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Nope, still get Windows [21:52] try lilo -M now [21:52] without pointing to the device [21:52] Randocal (n=bill@S010600226b7fdd45.wp.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] it's already in the config file [21:52] Randocal (n=bill@S010600226b7fdd45.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:53] Hang on, just fucked up my boot order... [21:53] O.o [21:54] Was double-checking i was booting the right drive [21:54] Problem with my PC is i've got 2 identically labelled drives in the damned BIOS [21:55] disconnect the guilty ;) [21:55] Hmmn [21:55] I've gotten the slackware bootloader... [21:56] Lets boot Linux and see if that works ok [21:56] the LInux LOader actually :) [21:56] However Windows isn't happy [21:56] I hate acronyms at times [21:56] hahah [21:56] that one is easy, paste your current lilo.conf [21:56] Erm, well, selecting Linux doesn't seem to have done anything either [21:57] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:57] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [21:58] weird.. [21:58] Although you said it was wrong, should i change back my linux line to /dev/root [21:58] Are there any freeware flv to mp3 convertors? [21:58] no.. that device doesn't exist except if it's symlinked which afaik it's not [21:59] sda6 should be fine if it's your root [21:59] Well, it's my / [21:59] If that's the same thing [21:59] yea [22:00] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:00] Now the confusing this is that i might well have just changed the boot order to boot this one [22:00] In which case that could mean my Windows bootloader is somewhere else [22:00] I thought it was booting sda but it might not have [22:01] it should be on windows's partition [22:01] That *is* where Windows is installed to though [22:01] I've kinda had a few OSes on these disks [22:01] but windows always wants to be the one [22:01] I have... [22:01] The one what? [22:01] that's why usually boot-as = 0x80 trick is needed [22:01] the one OS installed :O [22:01] :P [22:01] Windows doesn't care. [22:01] It just needs to be on a primary partition. [22:01] Vista on sdc, Windows 7 on sda1 [22:01] probably that's why it overwrites your mbr [22:02] bleh, useless fight, i'll better cook something [22:02] Aslate: never used windows 7, that might be different, dunno [22:03] It seems to be the same bootloader as Vista [22:03] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Action: Aslate retries bootling Linux [22:06] It says booting linux.............. [22:06] Then the next line flashes up and it all goes blank [22:06] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.60.22) joined ##slackware. [22:06] http://pastebin.com/m717bbfd0 <-- Current config [22:09] ohhh [22:09] Aslate: check if the disk lights blink, maybe it's loading but the framebuffer resolution is not supported [22:09] did you compile the kernel yourself? [22:09] I ain [22:09] I ain't got no activity lights [22:09] At all [22:09] Haven't hooked it up [22:10] And no, i was planning on it, but haven't [22:10] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-130-53.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] you get the "booting linux......." and then what happens ? [22:10] One line flashes up, i can't read it as the screen then goes blank [22:10] And it doesn't seem to respond or anything [22:10] ahh, if it goes blank append "vga=normal" to the image name on boot [22:11] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] if you have access to edit the lilo.conf file change it in there. as the default is not normal it is something like 793. [22:12] Hmmn [22:12] Seems to be working [22:12] always wondered about that [22:12] why isn't "vga=normal" the default in Slackware? [22:13] because most cards support the vesa FB giving a user much more screen realestate [22:13] Urchlay, why would it be? we like the framebuffer... [22:13] zomg, he is flexing :o [22:14] I dunno about this year, but a couple years ago a lot of nvidia cards wouldn't work with VESA framebuffer [22:14] Right, lets try that lilo conf [22:14] Then to get Windows working [22:14] And why doesn't KDE loadup? [22:14] Action: Urchlay hates the framebuffer (it's slow) [22:14] bahh, who needs windows [22:14] we haaatesss it, my precious [22:15] Ok, that works [22:16] Urchlay, use X [22:16] am using X [22:16] i like seeing the little tux on the console, he's a good listener [22:17] what do you mean with the framebuffer being slow then? vga=normal does nothing with X on [22:17] very happy with it... framebuffer's more trouble than it's worth on a system that's going to run X 24/7 [22:17] the framebuffer's slow, on the rare occasions when I'm not using X [22:21] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [22:23] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:24] spook, i can weld [22:25] hashed_ (n=eshepard@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: [22:26] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150040046.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:26] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:27] I always use the default VGA mode. [22:28] Ok then, i've got it all booting ok [22:28] Why doesn't it start KDE? [22:28] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] because you have not told it to [22:29] I get a login prompt and terminal [22:29] I thought i told the installer that i wanted it [22:29] Aslate: by default slackware boots in runlevel 3 [22:29] which is text [22:29] installing it != to using it [22:29] it will be the default window manager (actually desktop as KDE is that) [22:29] Ah [22:29] So how do i get it to run with KDE [22:29] you can change that editing /etc/inittab and please, read slackbook.org :) [22:30] login, run: startx [22:30] Ahh [22:30] Sorry, after all those other problems [22:30] Aslate, you only specified which window manager runs when you run startx. [22:30] Just kinda kept going ;) [22:30] Now to get Windows 7 going... [22:30] X is still a setuid binary in linuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuux? [22:31] nachox: umm, no. [22:31] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:31] -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 1646664 2008-07-01 05:43 /usr/bin/Xorg* [22:32] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*unaffiliated/justin expired. [22:32] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*unaffiliated/justin' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:32] so it is :P [22:32] Are you going to cry about it? [22:32] of course not, i dont even use linux anymore, i'll just laugh at you :P [22:32] let me guess, openbsd :P [22:33] C-Peemp0 (n=John@190.240.37.152) joined ##slackware. [22:33] solaris [22:33] loonix is for loosers :P [22:33] no, solaris. [22:33] ah, good choice [22:33] nah, linux is ok, i just like solaris better, that's all [22:33] i like my kernels to be of the NT varient [22:33] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] or freebsd [22:34] Action: andarius prefers kernels from orvil :) [22:34] doh, orville [22:34] FAIL [22:35] gbonvehim, thanks for all that [22:35] straterra, i'm surprised, i thought you were a gentoo guy [22:35] I found a Russian site, says it has an optimized kernel for my ubunut, can someone help me apt-get install it? :) [22:35] Hopefully i don't need to fuck about with my MBR for a while :p [22:35] Aslate: you're welcome :) [22:35] lol [22:35] i am a gentoo guy..when i have to use linux [22:35] Aslate, watch the language please [22:35] i like linux on a workstation..thats about it [22:36] straterra, hey I back to win for my radeon boxes so count me in there. [22:36] i prefer freebsd servers...and prefer NT for home workstations [22:36] windows is for workstations :P [22:36] at home, I use windows [22:37] gentoo at work..i dont use any windows specific software and i am in consoles a lot [22:37] straterra, no home servers ? like backup files tho? [22:37] i have a home server [22:37] it runs slackware 11 something because I'm too lazy to migrate it [22:37] gentoo and a work environment cannot be used in the same sentence [22:38] sure it can [22:38] straterra, 11 is good version of slack, I use it here still [22:38] my work machine has 8 cores :P [22:38] and distcc on the various work servers [22:38] Action: Old_Fogie pets his 2.4 kernel :) [22:38] compiling is zomgfast [22:38] Old_Fogie: on my old 11.0 server, I dislike the fact that every package is so old. [22:38] straterra, can I have distcc user there :) [22:39] not unless you have vpn :) [22:39] Old_Fogie: mysql 4.0.x, for instance. [22:39] thumbs, yea I backported a few things [22:39] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:39] Old_Fogie: I was trying to use mysql 5.x features. [22:39] Old_Fogie: bloody thing. No information schema. [22:39] thumbs, but I still like the 2.4 kernel, it's so fast, it's not even funny [22:40] Old_Fogie: compared to 2.6? I beg to differ. [22:40] thumbs, well for the two pc's I'm running it on, it is for me at least. [22:40] 2.4 is good for some hardware [22:40] I run it on a p166 laptop, wireless thin client thru radius / freenx [22:40] Old_Fogie, it probably boots in less than 10 seconds :P [22:41] nachox, it boots so fast, the only slow thing is hotplug [22:41] ldconfig? [22:41] nachox, serisouly, about 20 sec's and I'm at xdm [22:41] I have ldconfig and fonts stuff off, since I never really install much, and if I do, then I invoke them [22:41] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] actually, I have font-cache, icon/gtk,ldconfig off on all my boxen on boot. [22:42] kitche, yes, pretty much, all my pc's here can run the 2.4 kernel, except for the network cards on my asus mobo for the amd 2500 box. [22:43] it's an nforce 2 mobo, so must be something with that. [22:43] Old_Fogie: you run slackware 11, or you running 12.x with 2.4 kernel? [22:43] but for most part, anything under the 2ghz region, is 2.4 kernel ready [22:44] my gaming rig is nforce 4 o.O [22:44] C-Peemp (n=John@190.240.37.152) left irc: Connection timed out [22:44] Urchlay, I run Slack 11 still with 2.4 kernel. And Slack 12.1 for other pc's with 2.6 kernel. And a bsd/debian box. [22:44] and 12.2 on the netbooks [22:44] got me quite a mix :) [22:45] bsd/debian... like the bsd kernel with debian userspace, or does it dual boot bsd and debian? [22:45] heh, no a dual boot. [22:45] RaeGrepus (i=ESAYbY@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] bsd kernel with a debian userspace... what? [22:46] you can't mix those. [22:46] there was an attempt to, at one time [22:46] dunno how successful it ever was though [22:46] I just moved to freebsd from pcbsd, so freebsd and me aren't quite desktop ready yet, but I'm getting there. [22:46] well, a few months back, but still learning the fbsd [22:47] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware ("Ch'ab'ej chik"). [22:47] Action: Urchlay needs a toaster to run NetBSD on [22:47] or a dreamcast or something [22:47] I dont think I've tried netbsd now I think of it. [22:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] thumbs: yes it's called kFreeBSD/GNU [22:48] I used to run netbsd on some pokey old sun sparcs, it was pretty cool [22:48] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [22:48] performed better than solaris 8 on the same hardware, but not better than 2.6 [22:49] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:49] kitche: so I didn't just hallucinate that, it really exists? (or did?) [22:49] but the freebsd is very nice, very simple by design, not overdone. I like that. [22:50] it annoys me very little, so for a computer OS, that's a plus. [22:50] Urchlay: still exists but you know with debian they get to spread out Gentoo has something like it but I don't think it uses gnu [22:51] I've considered doing slackware with all netbsd pkgsrc packages [22:51] (for add-on software I mean, not replacing the stuff on a full install of slack) [22:51] Urchlay, I think there is dragonlinux or something like that, a slack with the bsd stuff on it iirc [22:51] i forget the exact name [22:52] I've seen a really ugly set of directions for replacing core slackware stuff with pkgsrc, but it seems like a bad idea [22:52] yeah freebsd is simple enough.....but.....I've gone back to exclusively using slack. dragonbsd is what you're thnking of:) [22:53] thinking [22:54] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CFF52.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] dragonfly bsd? [22:56] gah..........yeah......my bad.....dragonflybsd:) [22:57] there is a few slackware derived pkgsrc distrso out there [22:57] neat [22:57] hm, dragonfly bsd is matt dillon's distro [22:58] I might have to play with it some [22:58] anybody here use vsftpd? [22:58] it looks interesting [22:58] FREE TEH BSD [22:58] I still use Dillon's cross-6502 assembler for writing 8-bit code [22:58] heh [22:59] he probably hasn't thought about it in 15 years though [22:59] i haz freez your bsd [23:00] it doesn't look like there's any linux code in dragonfly though [23:00] says it's a fork of freebsd [23:01] j0z (n=JESUS@201-66-121-213.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:01] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] ubuild (n=ubuild@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:03] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-156-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:03] there isnt any linux code in dragonfly, no, it's a BSD after all [23:03] it does use gcc though [23:05] wow, i'm impressed with the transimission bittorrent client, it just downloaded a full opensuse cd in less than 2 hours [23:05] and has a web ui too :o [23:05] really? cool [23:05] i use it on my headless server [23:06] anybody please, help with vsftpd!!!! [23:06] cool [23:06] bono (i=bono@118-160-175-127.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] risperidon: What kind of help? [23:07] I can help you hide the body. [23:07] Action: andarius records this for the FBI [23:07] bono (i=bono@118-160-175-127.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:08] :( [23:08] ops. [23:08] :) [23:08] well... [23:08] ftp> mput /home/psykhe/Desktop/*.pdf [23:08] mput /home/psykhe/Desktop/20090312182903625.pdf? y [23:08] 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV. [23:08] Channel flood from risperidon -- kicking [23:08] 553 Could not create file. [23:08] what is this? [23:08] risperidon kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:08] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) joined ##slackware. [23:08] sorry. [23:08] pastebin man, pastebin [23:08] yes, yes... [23:08] sorry. [23:09] bono (n=bono@118-160-175-127.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] jkwood, obtain look of error? [23:09] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@ns.detir.qld.gov.au) joined ##slackware. [23:10] risperidon: I'm guessing that you don't have the proper permissions set up on the other end. [23:10] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@ns.detir.qld.gov.au) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:10] noizze (n=noise@p549CE499.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:10] That, or the disk is full. [23:10] or he's blocking/not allowing the ports for pasv mode. [23:11] bono (n=bono@118-160-175-127.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:11] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@ns.detir.qld.gov.au) joined ##slackware. [23:11] hum...psv mode? [23:11] how? [23:11] Or, there's a file of that name already in the directory. [23:11] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@ns.detir.qld.gov.au) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:11] jkwood I have permisson. [23:11] jkwood, no no have. [23:11] ? [23:11] oh [23:11] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:11] agentc0re, explain please about this? [23:12] mads- (n=piklort@pdpc/supporter/active/mads-) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )" [23:12] google ftp active mode [23:12] bono (i=bono@118-160-175-127.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] I try this, now,.ok, wait. [23:12] you just need to make sure that both ends have port 20 and 21 open. [23:12] ubuild (n=ubuild@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] well, folks...one last smoke and then 4 hours of sleep and then 4 hour drive to indy [23:13] that error doesn't look like anything to do with ports [23:13] looks like a permission error [23:13] or something like that... [23:13] agentc0re, port 20 out or in? [23:14] bono (i=bono@118-160-175-127.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:14] i'm off to sleep, night guys [23:14] not familiar with mput, perhaps it's trying to write to /home/psykhe/Desktop on the server, and the Desktop directory doesn't exist? [23:14] nite [23:14] nachox: good night [23:14] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.71) left irc: "Leaving" [23:15] jiffypop (n=ace@mobile-166-217-185-005.mycingular.net) left irc: "hope we're not too messianic or a trifle too satanic...we love to sing the blues -> mick jagger said that" [23:15] ubuild (n=ubuild@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:15] ubuild (n=ubuild@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] (have never tried to use mput without doing an lcd first... try "lcd /home/psykhe/Desktop" and then "mput *.pdf"? [23:15] ubuild (n=ubuild@adsl-99-147-150-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:15] bono (n=bono@118-160-175-127.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] amoc (n=amoc@124.49.51.183) left irc: "quit" [23:16] ok... [23:16] nathanbw (n=nathan@67-60-226-125.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] wait. [23:17] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:17] i shall not wait. i shall go to bed :P [23:17] night all [23:17] Urchlay, ..thankz... [23:17] lcd resolver. [23:18] very, and very, thanks. [23:18] groovy [23:18] simple, but, very good. [23:18] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "tempurpedic snoozles, andarius tested and approved" [23:18] not familiar with mput, perhaps it's trying to write to /home/psykhe/Desktop on the server, and the Desktop directory doesn't exist? [23:18] is this? [23:19] sorry... [23:19] Could be. [23:19] ftp> rm -rf *.pdf [23:19] 550 Remove directory operation failed. [23:19] chmod? [23:20] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [23:20] toast10101 (n=johann@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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Perhaps you need #slackware-br ? [23:33] Nick change: risperidon -> risperidon[off] [23:33] Da última vez que eu tentei acessar esse serviço recebi uma mensagem que a Vivax estava bloqueada. [23:34] Sorry. I Forgot "br" at end. [23:34] jkwood: are you an iptables geru by chance? [23:35] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.40.40) left irc: "Leaving" [23:35] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-103.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [23:35] slackware122: It happens. =) [23:35] chopp: BWAHAHAHAHAHA [23:36] I mean, not hardly. [23:36] I'll take that as a no. :P [23:36] rworkman is pretty good at it, though. [23:37] Action: jkwood is a master of delegation [23:37] lol [23:37] slackware122 (n=slackwar@201-74-82-171-so.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:37] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [23:38] It's driving me insane. Yes, if I can catch rworkman it will be solved I'm sure. I posted my pastebin in #iptables, and he hangs in there too so.. [23:38] chopp: what's the address? [23:38] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11071 [23:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:39] I can ping/ssh the firewall, but nothing else. [23:41] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:41] chopp: Nothing else meaning you are trying to access other stuff on the firewall or trying to access stuff outside of the firewall? I'm guessing the second. If thats so, do you want to allow your machine to access everything outside or just certain things one at a time? [23:42] agentc0re: yes I meant outside the firewall, and that will be my next move, starting small. [23:43] chopp: is your iptables script a bash script? [23:43] Okay, let me take a look at this pastebin. [23:43] n/m i see your post [23:44] SiegeX: yes rc.firewall called from rc.local [23:44] chopp: Did you write this yourself or use alien's generator? [23:44] agentc0re: it started as rworkman's rc.firewall.alamo [23:46] that's actually what I should use. When I started this, I could not use alienBOB's generator because it was a bridged interface [23:48] I've just installed Slackware, anyone know how i go about getting the ATI drivers going? [23:49] im not a fan of binning packets to defined chains [23:49] Very carefully. [23:49] really is no need, just match the stuff you want in order. It just puts more load on your box if you are matching every single packet [23:49] Great... [23:50] chopp: also, rc.firewall should be called from rc.inet2, there should be a section in there already for it [23:51] SiegeX: ok thanks and I'm going to use alien's generator now for it. [23:51] chopp: Did you change it to meet your network needs? It looks like there are several subnets on there, 192.168.13/24 and 10.0.0.1/24. Are those yours? [23:51] ryht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:52] chopp: I don't have a generator for mine, but it is highly commented and worth looking at: http://www.aetherstorm.com/rc.firewall [23:52] agentc0re: I just had not got rid of the 192 stuff, they are commented out. Mine is the 10. [23:52] chopp: You could do that, OR i like webmin's firewall utility. [23:53] SiegeX: thanks I'll have a look. [23:53] I tend not to set OUTPUT policy to DROP because I feel its a bit overkill for most things [23:53] allright [23:53] chopp: Ah that's why it doesn't work. You needed to change all the 192.168.13.0/24 stuff to you network. [23:54] chopp: Sorry, i didn't notice the commented parts until just now. [23:54] you know, after you told me :P [23:56] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.60.22) left irc: "Leaving" [23:56] agentc0re: anything in the 192. range thats in there, is for services I don't need. [23:57] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "cya tomorrow" [23:57] chopp: like port 80. aka Web. :P I'm sure you want that. [23:58] chopp: Geez, i just can't see, you don't have that commented.. sorry. [23:58] line 265 and 266 [23:59] lines 333-3336 rather [23:59] 336 [00:00] --- Mon Mar 16 2009