[00:00] I need qt3 [00:00] d'oh.. i feel like an idiot.. i forgot my vm passwords [00:00] and I already have it [00:00] qt4 takes a long time [00:00] mancha: stability? of just frigging huge codebase? [00:00] s/of/or [00:01] its just 150mb+ of .cpp goodness [00:01] :S [00:02] biker, http://slackware.osuosl.org/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ check the sources [00:03] a_small_dog (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-izvadxcdmupddgem) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:03] MLanden, ok thanks, there is qt3, but how do I install it? =$ [00:03] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:03] alrighty.. how do i reset passwords for a system that apperently "forgot" all the user passwords... even my guest account, which doesnt have a password, wont login [00:04] ?!? [00:05] moistrous (~moistrous@cpe-74-70-78-25.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:05] Gartral: what did you do that it "lost" all passwords? [00:05] either it or i completly forgot the root, and two user passwords.. and seeing as my passwords are written down in front of me (and i reuse passwords for vm systems) i really think slack just decided to lock me out for no reason [00:06] nah, slackware, while a nice distrib, is not yet sentient [00:06] my money is pebkac [00:07] BP{k}: nothing yet, i set slack up in a vbox host last night, svn co'ed some sources and powered the vm down after it was done downloading.. i figured i could hop on today and compile some stuff [00:07] biker, just download all the files into a folder(including the profile.d to a folder with the same name in that same directory)...chmod +x the slackbuild file...and run it in a terminal [00:07] MLanden, ok thank you :) [00:08] biker, np [00:08] this sucks >.< [00:09] does slack have any bugs with non-square number of cpus? [00:09] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:10] like? [00:10] how is that in any way related to slackware? [00:11] i dont know.. Ubuntu's SMP kernal won't address 5 cores >.> but it will handle 2/4/6/8/12 (note not 10) [00:12] that seems strange [00:12] at least it didnt used too.. [00:13] that should be beyond ubuntu's control [00:13] it is that's why i asked, cause some linux distros are plain odd [00:14] MLanden, I run the slackbuild like: slackpkg install qt3.SlackBuild ?? [00:15] MLanden, or ./qt3.SlackBuild [00:15] look at fedora not having a vbox-friendly x server >.> [00:16] biker, just ./qt3.Slackbuild in the terminal [00:16] MLanden, okok thank you [00:16] biker, np [00:18] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.196) joined ##slackware. [00:19] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-3-233.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:19] MLanden, didnt work, could install on x64 :( [00:20] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:20] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [00:20] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [00:20] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:22] biker, could or couldn't? [00:23] couldn't , sorry :p [00:24] biker, can you pastebin the error? [00:24] MLanden, the one of qt3 or the compiz file im trying to install? [00:25] MLanden, of the compilz file is this: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! [00:25] biker, the one for qt3,thanks [00:28] MLanden, http://pastebin.com/cjBRqeCW [00:29] alex441 (~alex441@189.107.67.37) joined ##slackware. [00:30] biker, what is your cpu? [00:30] x64 [00:30] alex441 (~alex441@189.107.67.37) left irc: Client Quit [00:30] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:30] x86)64 MLanden [00:30] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] x86_64 * [00:31] i wonder how many builds fail at the cp -a README COPYING NEWS .... line :) [00:31] biker, meant to say what's the make and model of your cpu [00:32] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [00:32] MLanden, 2.00 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor P7350 [00:33] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:33] biker, ok [00:34] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.57.91) joined ##slackware. [00:34] hm, i have a bunch of .iso's from my old HD and would like to install em without burning, is there a program in slack to do that? [00:35] Just mount them via -o loop [00:35] you can mount em, google linux mount iso [00:35] ok cool, brb [00:35] stuart_, mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/ [00:35] You usually don't need to specify type. [00:36] BP{k}: ping [00:36] oo ok :p [00:36] k cool. anyway, is bitchx still around? i'll need a text based irc [00:36] Yes. [00:36] stuart_: irssi is better [00:36] or even weechat [00:36] There are several others that have improved. [00:36] Like irssi. [00:37] Check out irssi ... file:///usr/doc/irssi-0.8.14/startup-HOWTO.html (or equivalent) for some config/setup/usage tricks - lotsa good reading, depending how tricksie you want to get. [00:38] biker, this might help http://www.0fnords.net/content/slackware-130-notes-thoughts-32bit-and-x8664 [00:38] thinking about investing in this property: http://search.knightfrank.com/cho070542 may i have a second opinion? [00:38] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:39] antler, buy two, they're cheap. [00:39] okok thank you MLanden [00:39] 12.5 mil (aww, xchat won't let me type a pound sign) [00:40] biker, np [00:40] lbs. ? [00:40] heh [00:40] jesus to some that's normal living [00:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:41] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:41] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.57.91) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:41] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] SlashQuit, have you got the compose key setup?...think it's <-> £ [00:43] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:43] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.57.91) joined ##slackware. [00:46] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:46] i shouldn't install programs with wine, in root, right? [00:47] shouldn't need too... [00:47] Nope. [00:47] Normal user. [00:50] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-116-236.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [00:51] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.57.91) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:53] MLanden, I do not, but no biggie. [00:53] Anybody else found it necessary to blacklist the nouveau kernel module running a recent -current? Kernel hangs during boot if I don't... [00:53] SlashQuit, gotcha...:P [00:54] nathanbw: Are you using the nvidia drivers or just "nv"? [00:56] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.96.55) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:56] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [00:58] antiwire, just nv [00:58] And this crash was during a boot where the default runlevel was 3; I never tried to start X (I don't know if that's relevant) [01:00] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] SiegeX: thanks for that script the other day. it worked. :D (had to manually fix a handful of lines, but other than that :) [01:01] hmmm [01:01] doesn't sound like a driver issue if you didn't even run the driver. 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[01:29] fhobia: but you gotta move on! [01:29] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-192865.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:30] gotta explore. i've been setting this laptop yor 2 months now [01:30] for* [01:30] everyday i'm tinkering with it [01:30] :-D [01:30] my laptop is noisy as a vacuum and has no more battery [01:30] but ...i still use it ... ha ha [01:30] same here [01:30] i got mad at my old laptop and sucker punched it [01:31] it kept dying on me because the power connector was fried [01:31] haha wow [01:31] Cann0n, did you have flite installed on it so it could yell back?..:P [01:32] feel like i should buy the models that came out last year...since those probably are more compatible with linux... [01:32] MLanden: i plan on setting this laptop up with a personality [01:32] Cann0n, sound like a plan [01:32] fhobia: this lappy came out after slackware 13 [01:33] You guys don't like the strange? [01:33] just ask Captain Kirk how computer personalities can be, though [01:33] MLanden: i already have it greet me and tell me i have mail [01:33] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.90.164) joined ##slackware. [01:33] That's the best. Getting some new piece of hardware running is the strange of IT [01:33] i have a chroot 'cause I was so happy with the old setup [01:33] yeah, i jumped right into 64bit too, which i knew noting about [01:35] i use a thinkpad 600X :P [01:35] this is an Acer [01:35] 600X !? the one with the weird bios with icons and stuff ? [01:35] yes :) [01:35] the flying bird pointer [01:35] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:35] man, i got one of those too, but i could not get it to boot to slack or anything [01:36] coudln't install anything on it [01:36] i was kind' intrigued by the fanless design, since my t43 is a vacuum cleaner [01:36] bummer, i like mive 'cause it's a tank [01:36] *mine [01:36] it's been dropped, spilled on, all kinds of awful things [01:38] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: bbl [01:38] i had an acer aspire 5100 die recently; i was unhappy with it anyways [01:39] hmm i feel so burned by lenovo with this bum t43...but i think i'm goig to be suckered into getting another lenovo :-/ [01:39] Action: fhobia hits himself [01:39] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:39] keyboard problems, video problems ( i think it had some interrupt conflict), and a generally cheap feel [01:39] haha, lenovos are OK [01:39] Get a D630 instead [01:39] i was thinking maybe asus [01:39] they seem to have some hip new models [01:39] :-P [01:39] eeepc is a nice piece of hardware, IMO [01:40] dell latitude ? [01:40] i always think about getting laptop so that i could take it to coffee shop or book store [01:40] heh! that never happens [01:40] ( -.- ) [01:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:42] Action: fhobia realizes he's pretty much had a lemon with all the companies he's bought computers with [01:42] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] my problem is getting cheap junk in the first place [01:43] i was thinking a lenovo sounded nice, but i wonder if they're not getting cheaper... 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[04:33] sjampoo (~Jaap@ip4da992c9.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:35] Nick change: alreadygone -> U2 [04:35] is golden [04:35] ;) [04:38] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:46] nader (~nader___@84.241.19.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:52] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.90.164) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:55] morn [04:55] even' [04:56] hi [04:57] lostinadungeon (~eddie@189.107.67.37) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:08] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:08] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:09] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424744.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [05:10] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424744.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:14] Bapa (~bapa@S010600045afe792a.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] nader (~nader___@84.241.19.186) joined ##slackware. [05:19] where is package site ? [05:20] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] babai (~babai@115.187.55.218) joined ##slackware. [05:21] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-248-130.bur.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:22] nader: http://slackbuilds.org ? [05:22] To my knowledge, the official package viewer website is down, but you can always get software from that website. [05:23] You might also be interested in using slapt-get or swaret, if you've ever heard of them. [05:23] Bapa, ok tnx [05:23] http://www.brunolinux.com/03-Installing_Software/Swaret.html [05:24] suggesting to use slapt-get or swaret is considered a fellony here [05:24] I figured as much :3 [05:24] nader: if you don't know what you are doing, stay away from both swaret and slapt-get [05:24] For the record, I've never actually used those two utilities - just good old installpkg n' removepkg :3 [05:25] Well, I at least want him to *know* about it, you know? [05:25] it's better not knowing about those [05:25] Care to elaborate? [05:25] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:25] they can automatically break things [05:25] new users seek easy package management. slapt-get and swaret seem easy, but lead to the dark side [05:26] Yes, he said that he's better off not even knowing about them in the first place. I'm not disputing whether he should use them or not. [05:26] some guy earlier (not naming names) broke his toolchain [05:26] (and for the record, I've never used slapt-get or swaret) [05:26] ;) [05:26] But I suppose you're right. If you wanted a distro with dependency resolution, you'd uh, not use Slackware :3 [05:27] I concur, pprkut. [05:27] And if it's of any relevance, I actually just had a two-week experiment with Slackware about a week or so ago. [05:27] But, I'm back on Gentoo, for now =O [05:27] so, elaborate why (new) users should know about those tools [05:28] Also, anyone have any idea when the package browser thing on the main website is ever gonna be back up? [05:28] packages.slackverse.org [05:29] nader (~nader___@84.241.19.186) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:29] nader_ (~nader___@84.241.18.181) joined ##slackware. [05:29] ok [05:30] I have wonder why slackware has many sites... slackbook, slackwiki, builds ... ? [05:30] mostly unofficial [05:31] Pretty much everything pertaining to Slackware is unofficial =P [05:31] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] So, nader_, you're tinkering with both Gentoo and Slackware now? [05:35] nader (~nader___@84.241.19.103) joined ##slackware. [05:36] nader_ (~nader___@84.241.18.181) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:37] Bapa (bapa@S010600045afe792a.cg.shawcable.net) left ##slackware ("kittens"). 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[08:24] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:24] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:24] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:28] any new caveats to tweaking my parts and slack? [08:28] don't tweak too hard - it can get painful [08:29] if you need tweaking - go ahaid [08:29] my nurples are protected by tin foil. [08:29] that's a new twist on tinfoil hats [08:30] so no new developements on tweakage and upgradience? [08:30] just what's in the readme's and changelogs [08:30] ken, yea [08:30] ok [08:30] SunTzu: if you want experimenting with a Linux system, slackware is not quite the distro for you [08:30] maybe i'll go back to kernel-0.99 [08:30] try arch or gentoo [08:30] lol [08:31] i'm quite an old slacker, 1995 [08:31] is it possible to run that kernel on a modern PC/ [08:31] we can try [08:31] I guess no [08:31] exper-menting [08:31] expert-mentoring. [08:32] i'm thinking of getting rid of most parts on several hd [08:32] going 1 part +swap [08:32] on each [08:32] ohh that sucks [08:32] why? [08:32] you should have a separated /home [08:32] of course [08:32] you dint read rightly [08:32] 1 fs+ swap on each hd, for all hd [08:32] i have 5 hd now [08:32] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:33] lol [08:33] >1Tb en masse [08:33] you have a IDE card or something? [08:33] ide, sataII and usb [08:33] I have one 1 TB hard drive and another IDE 80 GB one [08:33] nice [08:34] 1tb storage really rules [08:34] got anything else to remind me of? [08:34] nods [08:34] I have like 5-6 systems (all of my custom distro) and I'm trying different things on each [08:34] this isnt about you, damnit :) [08:34] heh [08:35] one is for a new X.org, other is for a new kernel and udev (updated in slackware-current anyway), and so on... [08:35] anyway [08:35] going offtopic [08:35] sorry [08:35] kk [08:35] any question? [08:35] no, it's very on topic [08:35] *questions [08:35] (about slackware) [08:35] sure. it's on topic [08:36] brb now, comming after like 20 min [08:36] it's not limited to sw but management; which i'm on about [08:36] pff [08:36] ken, anything come to mind to remind me of? [08:37] what version? [08:37] 12.2 [08:37] might try 13.0 - or even -current [08:37] but anything that comes to mind [08:38] however, 13.0 switched to kde 4.3 [08:38] ok [08:38] btw, would all of slackware/tarballs fit on a 4g usb stick? [08:39] -current is around 4.09G and slack64-current is about 4.33G dvd iso right now [08:39] probably without source [08:39] yea [08:39] just slack/* [08:39] so without source, it would fit no problem [08:39] ok [08:40] lzma the iso :) got eight years? [08:40] slackware/ and patches/ [08:40] i'd rather disconn all usb hd while messing with boot/root [08:40] Zordrak: aren't most of the packages on the iso _already_ lzma'd ? [08:40] yes [08:41] well yeah.. but im sure it could squeeze the rest down another percent or two.. [08:41] might get -current down to 4g [08:41] yeah, probably [08:41] since it'd be taking the iso as a single file [08:41] indeed [08:42] does tar call compressors externally or does it include the codecs internally? [08:42] grazymax (~grazymax@host195-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:42] (sanity check) [08:42] some can be ext [08:43] thinking gz & xz [08:43] tar doesnt do everything [08:43] z/J [08:43] xz is extern [08:43] hm [08:43] unless tar has been adjusted [08:44] afk [08:44] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:44] afb [08:45] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] pragma_ (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:46] pragma_ (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [08:47] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:47] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [08:50] stev3 (~stev3@cpc1-know11-2-0-cust782.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:51] damn, i rebooted my server & i see udev failures "here is the output of mout ->http://dpaste.com/172095/" [08:51] i tried to mount one by one mount -t ext3 /dev/VG/var /var/ [08:51] mount: /dev/mapper/VG-var is not a valid block device [08:51] i got errors too [08:52] any idea ? [08:54] the matter is i cannot do anything with the server ... all my /var is a lvm partition & even httpd server cannot start ... [08:54] and knowing that i'm not able to mount it ...:/ [08:55] ls -l /dev/VG [08:55] alisonken1noc, http://dpaste.com/172097/ [08:56] ok - is your lvm kernel modules loaded? [08:56] how can i check that ? [08:56] lsmod [08:56] ok, but which module [08:56] lsmod | grep -i lvm returns nothing [08:57] grazymax (~grazymax@host95-36-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:57] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Nick change: xchg_spi -> xchg [08:58] modprobe -l - grep -i lvm returns me nothing too [08:59] modprobe | grep -i lvm * [08:59] modprobe -l | grep -i lvm * [08:59] sorry ^^ [08:59] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.67) joined ##slackware. [09:01] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:01] lvdisplay shows me all my lvm partitions http://dpaste.com/172100/ [09:02] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [09:04] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.213.52) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [09:06] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.90.164) joined ##slackware. [09:07] have you tried mounting manually paissad? using mount -t auto /dev/VG/var /var ? [09:07] tuxdev (hidden-use@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:07] v3gard, yes i did, & i obtain [09:07] mount: /dev/mapper/VG-var is not a valid block device [09:08] my lvm partitions seem to ok .. http://dpaste.com/172101/ [09:09] i think a matter about the kernel or udev [09:10] sackay (~jfo@92.85.213.143) joined ##slackware. [09:11] i'm using 2.6.29.6 kernel, may someone using the same kernel & lvm tells me the output of modprobe -l | grep -i lvm ? [09:11] & modprobe -l | grep -i raid [09:11] i compile lvm in if im gonna use it [09:11] hello [09:12] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [09:12] Zordrak, but it did work ... i don't know the reason why it sucks now [09:12] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:12] if lvdisplay works.. the kernel code is there [09:13] I need excitement. Bored in this VB class I'm required to take. Waiting for the energizer bunny to run into class at full speed yelling, "Ima za noobfarm bunnie!" Or something. [09:13] Zordrak, lvdisplay, pvdisplay & such tools do all work great [09:13] When I run alsamixer I get this error:alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [09:14] sackay, rerun alsaconf & try again [09:14] solsTiCe (~solsTiCe@ARennes-553-1-122-30.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:15] paissad: ok. [09:17] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Oh my GOD [09:17] brainvision: hi man [09:17] Yes my child? [09:17] =yes my child? [09:17] Dominian: twat [09:17] ;) [09:17] Zordrak: heh [09:18] tree /boot returns me nothing [09:18] trying to eat chips [09:18] what the hell happened [09:18] it's not logical .. the system started [09:18] fs corruption?L [09:19] i dunno [09:19] What packages does one need to ran slackpkg? [09:19] i'm scared mates ! [09:19] syslog [09:20] Zordrak, http://dpaste.com/172106/ [09:20] sackay: slackpkg, ncurses, pkgtools [09:20] not sure what else [09:20] bash would help [09:20] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:21] paissad: messages [09:22] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] ThunderWolf (~What@bl9-253-36.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:22] Zordrak, tail -n 200 /var/log/messages [09:22] http://dpaste.com/172108/ [09:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:23] the hell? [09:23] dmesg? [09:24] http://dpaste.com/172109/ [09:24] wtf? theres just nothing relevant [09:25] wheres boot? /? [09:25] yes [09:25] O_o [09:25] time to shut down, boot the install disk and start doing a manual sanity and integrity check [09:25] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:26] sanity check is available with install cd-rom ? [09:26] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] by sanity check i mean manually mount your stuff and check that it looks like it's supposed to look [09:27] look for the contents of /boot [09:27] run fscks [09:27] do a vgscan/lvscan [09:27] etc [09:27] I still get this errors when I run alsamixer:ALSA lib conf.c:3009:(snd_config_update_r) Cannot access file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf [09:28] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [09:28] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] sackay: stat /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf [09:29] Zordrak: stat: cannot stat `/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf': No such file or directory [09:29] file is not there [09:29] run alsaconf [09:30] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:31] Zordrak: I run alsaconf again and I get the some errors as before. [09:31] When I run alsamixer. [09:32] sackay: Which Slackware + kernel? [09:32] sackay: upgradepkg --reinstall alsa-lib-1.0.21a-i486-1.txz [09:33] I use slackware 13.0 kernel 2.6.29.6 [09:34] than [09:34] sackay: upgradepkg --reinstall alsa-lib-1.0.18-i486-1.txz [09:39] thank, you for you help! problem fix after installing alsa-lib-1.0.18-i486-1.txz [09:41] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] does anyone have (positive or negative) experience with utf8 on slackware (desktop and/or server)? [09:42] How can I store the volume settings? [09:42] alsactl store [09:43] Zordrak: ok. [09:47] everyone runs into that question eventually ^ they should really fix alsamixer to include a save... lol [09:47] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-20-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:48] or maybe we all dont because its funny to watch [09:48] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [09:50] do you think possible to reinstall slackware without losing previous softwares & conf ? [09:50] did you separate your /home ? [09:50] yes ! [09:50] its 'possible' but always good to backup /etc and /home just in case [09:51] ok [09:51] Amen, Dominian. [09:51] How can I make dhcpcd to start automaticly at bootup? [09:52] sackay, add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [09:52] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:54] thrice`: I don't have that file /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [09:55] sackay: the F? did you do a full install? [09:55] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [09:55] no [09:55] >.< [09:56] rsync -av /etc /usr/ /lib /lib64 /boot /root / /bin/ /sbin $BACKUP_DIR before reinstalling [09:56] :/ :( crap [09:56] sackay: then your problem is your just missing a load of stuff you never installed [09:57] I've only 892568 installed. [09:57] does someone have it /boot in another partition ? [09:57] always [09:58] sda1 /boot 256MB [09:58] actually i had 1 week before ( when i installed slackware ) matter about the lilo.conf [09:58] *always* [09:58] paissad: I have. [09:58] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] 2 sec [09:59] EvanR-work (evan@wsip-98-175-17-4.br.br.cox.net) left ##slackware. [10:00] i added this line to my fstab ! [10:00] /dev/md0 /boot ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 0 [10:00] sackay (~jfo@92.85.213.143) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:00] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [10:00] o_O, i have no /etc/lilo.conf [10:00] no longer ... [10:00] Zordrak: Does the /boot partition have to be that big? [10:01] i do really need to reinstall my system [10:01] Mel-nix: doesnt have to be.. but allows for a number of images / initrd trees without having to move / up to make space [10:01] Zordrak, i will ask my question about that later .. sorry [10:01] Zordrak, or would you like to show me your lilo.conf ? [10:01] i find it a reasonable figure since i work primarily on 160G+ disk [10:02] for mdraid+ [10:02] my /boot is in a raid partition 100MB [10:02] was* [10:02] but that never works, so i decided to put /boot in / [10:02] Zordrak: Mine is /dev/sda2 69M 14M 54M 21% /boot [10:02] i have created an mdadm raid 1 volume that has the whole disk (with LVM inside the md), without separating /boot into it's own partition. it works and boots fine. apparently lilo *can* boot from lvm. [10:02] you're software raiding a boot partition [10:02] ? [10:03] Zordrak: Will I ever need to increase the size? [10:03] Mel-nix: only if you want to put more it /boot [10:03] 100 to 150 mb is what I use for /boot [10:04] Mel-nix: only if you want to put more it /boot [10:04] so can anyone explain why my setup works? :-) [10:04] damnnit [10:04] paissad: http://pastebin.ca/1841208 [10:04] stupid numlock [10:04] Zordrak, i did not have this rule -> raid-extra-boot = mbr-only [10:04] Zordrak, maybe that was the matter [10:05] thanks anyway ... i reinstall & i tell ya [10:05] k [10:09] you can boot from software raid 1,5 or 6 [10:09] Skywise, from lvm which is inside raid1, too? [10:09] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-142-176-220.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:09] its not gonna care for booting really [10:10] so lilo just reads locations on the disk sequentally, right? [10:10] they're also put on the front of the partition [10:10] so everything it needs will be there [10:10] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@noon.nas.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:11] that's great. [10:11] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-147-234-246.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424744.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [10:15] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:15] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:15] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424744.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:17] nick4 (~fffeop@77.49.106.167.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:17] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.90.164) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:18] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.90.164) joined ##slackware. [10:20] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:20] sarckay (~jfo@92.85.213.143) joined ##slackware. [10:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:22] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] mugwort13 (~mugwort13@pool-70-17-209-93.balt.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:26] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [10:26] are there any official docs on raid setups in sw? I have only found community docs [10:27] you mean rfcs? [10:28] theres all sorts of howtos and faqs depending on what you wanna do, but as for a single authority, i would guess thats an rfc [10:28] wtf? my LQ session is dying randomly/constantly [10:29] I see. I suppose I was hoping for a method involving the sw installer, as opposed to the general linux method. [10:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:30] no, you have to prepare your volumes before installing [10:31] it can format them, but not create them [10:31] I which series can I find ssh? [10:31] n [10:31] network tools [10:31] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Skywise: ok, i've found it. [10:32] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:32] sarckay: find /mirror -iname "*ssh*" [10:33] mugwort13: I used this howto to get my server running w/ raid: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.1/README_RAID.TXT [10:34] it's for 12.1 but still perfectly good for 13.0 [10:34] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/README_RAID.TXT [10:34] ? [10:34] or that [10:34] XD [10:34] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:34] lol [10:34] if you make the partition type FD for raid autodetect, it will sync [10:36] Zordrak, they are the same document [10:36] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [10:36] just diff'ed them [10:36] fnuff [10:38] I which series can I find init? [10:38] grep init /var/log/packages/* [10:38] probably part of a/ series [10:39] sarckay (~jfo@92.85.213.143) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:39] ea_suter: , Skywise: thank you [10:39] mugwort13 (~mugwort13@pool-70-17-209-93.balt.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: mugwort13 has no reason [10:40] nick4 (fffeop@77.49.106.167.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. [10:40] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:42] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. 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[10:48] mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/foo /mnt/foo [10:49] sarckay: install extra/wicd [10:49] sarckay: chmod a+x /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd [10:49] run wicd as- user [10:49] I've installed wicd. [10:50] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [10:50] is there a way to rename an md1 array to an md0 ? [10:50] .. [10:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] yeah, but it will have to be reconstructed [10:51] i suggest just living with it [10:51] Zordrak: how do i force umount? i get this device is busy. [10:51] cd out of the dir first [10:51] Zordrak: I get this when I as normal user : zsh: command not found: wicd [10:51] you just edit your /etc/raidtab [10:51] solsTiCe (~solsTiCe@ARennes-553-1-122-30.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:51] it's because I've made a small md0 for /boot initially, which I do not need now, so I removed it. /dev/md1 persists. [10:51] Zordrak: lol. thanks! [10:52] well you can always add md0 later on, don't get hung up on it [10:52] Skywise, you mean, /etc/mdadm.conf? [10:53] yeah, you can use that [10:53] both should work [10:53] but mdadm.conf is the current style [10:53] the one bad thing that I've stumbled upon today, is that xfs cannot be shrunk. and I've made a piece of my LVM to be xfs. pity. [10:53] sarckay (~jfo@92.85.213.143) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:54] i can't imaging needing to shrink a partition [10:54] ++ [10:54] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:55] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) joined ##slackware. [10:55] heh. I currently have /dev/myvg/var (xfs) mounted to /var, and I would have separated /var/www to another lv perhaps. [10:55] one thing is to use uuids to identify the raids as well, so it doesn't matter which order the devices are found in [10:56] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] slava_dp: should move it to /srv/httpd anyway [10:56] Zordrak, what for? [10:56] pats just being stubborn. LSB specifies /srv, as does the default apache conf and it makes life generally easier [10:56] ugh [10:57] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:57] my apache is in /var/lib/apache and thats wheres i likes it [10:57] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] i f irun an apache server i mv /var/www to /srv/httpd and ln -s /srv/httpd /var/www [10:57] /home/www since that's the biggest partition I have [10:57] Skywise: ew [10:57] alisonken1home: ew [10:58] i don't even have /srv, eeeew [10:58] i have /srv/httpd /srv/svn /srv/ftp on different boxes [10:58] thats so debian like [10:58] anything thats basically a public file repo goes in /srv [10:59] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [10:59] its logical.. it makes sense.. then if you like relocating stuff, shove /srv on a diff disk and all your public repo shit can be managed as one in a alrge separated fs [11:00] pat acknowledges this with symlinks at /srv/www and /srv/httpd but doesnt want to move the content for fear of breaking assumptions and cause he doesnt see it as necessary enough to push on the change [11:00] i have no such qualms [11:00] i'm not fixing anything until its broken [11:01] non-variable data in /var = broken [11:01] :) [11:02] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:02] what about mysql, etc.. [11:02] it was a temporary place to shove apache data before /srv was concocted.. /srv is a solution to a problem... just everyone's too stubborn to pick their feet up [11:02] or imap, and dhcp [11:03] mysql files are, by definition, variable data [11:03] lol [11:03] thats where a website stores its variable data for example.. but the static data.. the site itself, shouldnt be there [11:03] you could similarly argue svn should live in /var and i wouldnt necessarily disagree [11:04] but if apache thinks it should live in /srv.. i thoroughly agree [11:04] to be frank the whole file tree could stand to be redesigned [11:04] . /etc is a mess [11:05] you can have binaries in /bin /sbin /share and others [11:07] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:07] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:07] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:08] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. 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[11:19] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:20] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+I+install+beryl [11:20] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:21] hehe. was wondering what was going to happen next [11:25] make popcorn [11:25] nader (~nader___@84.241.19.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:26] lol [11:27] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:28] hi [11:28] eMoparMuscle (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-nrvzazksvbztmzrt) joined ##slackware. [11:28] \o/ [11:28] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Can someone explain to me how the kernel works with the files on the filesystem? Do I need to have the slackware kernel or can I use just about any kernel or even compile my own and use it? [11:29] sec0nd: any linux kernel [11:29] sec0nd: within reason [11:29] you can use any kernel that has support for the filesystem in question [11:30] sec0nd: You can even compile your own kernel and use it. [11:30] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:32] sec0nd: what do you want to achieve? [11:33] Why wouldn't the kernel work if there were flies on the filesystem? [11:34] was sure how it worked. [11:34] I've only compiled a kernel once [11:34] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [11:34] one thing to do is to add the new kernel to your lilo.conf, don't overwrite your old one, so you can revert if it doesn't work [11:35] i usually append the version name to the file to make them unique [11:35] nick4 (~fffeop@62.1.247.41.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:35] guys - what can cause a rsync to a host to completely bock? [11:36] everything [11:36] this was working yesterday from another connection [11:36] just stalls [11:36] are you sure its stalled? [11:36] Skywise: no - I just assume it is [11:36] it can take a while to sync a new directory [11:36] how can I tell? [11:36] did you sync once? [11:36] you can increase the verbosity [11:37] -v 1 or more times [11:37] I did, starts sending a few dirs [11:37] I'll add more [11:37] Kaapa: Use `-P` switch [11:37] I'm using an encrypted lvm system. The slackware install guide said to use the smp kernel. What happends if I try to use my own custom compiled kernel? [11:37] none of tht will tell you anything if there are no files to transfer [11:38] sec0nd: everything will be fine if you configure it correctly [11:38] sec0nd: nothing as long as it's compiled with SMP support [11:38] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:38] Gartral: what is smp support? [11:39] Symetric Multiprocessing [11:39] smp has nothing to do with lvm.... [11:39] Mel-nix: -P? looking [11:39] it could have dependencies [11:39] sec0nd: why do you want to compile your own kernel? the slackware kernel should be fine for you [11:39] its often easier to add support for features and devices via modules [11:40] Kaapa: rsync is supposed to just sit there for a long time if its only checking for new filse and not finding any...eventually it will finish [11:40] eMoparMuscle: I would like aufs and autofs support [11:40] Mel-nix: ah, nothing's being transfered [11:40] eMoparMuscle: not a very big list - worked yesterday (and for about 1 year now) [11:41] off-topic: Mandriva is the linux distro that has the most packages right? [11:41] i don't know what that means [11:41] sec0nd: I used to compile my own kernels in order to stay updated, untill it got tiresome. I now use Slackware kernel packages only from `-current'. [11:41] if I remove the target dir (forcing a full sync), it also fails [11:42] i make 1 custom kernel when the machine is born to and then its modules [11:42] j0z (~j0z@187.59.15.176) joined ##slackware. [11:42] j0z (~j0z@187.59.15.176) left irc: Changing host [11:42] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [11:42] make sure you have proper permissions [11:42] Kaapa: any chance the drive has issues? [11:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:42] Kaapa: network issues? anything? [11:42] what did you break! [11:43] I don't think drive has issues [11:43] it's an openvpn connection [11:43] but then again, so was yesterday [11:44] sec0nd, packages? I'd guess debian [11:44] Kaapa: so it says "recieving incremental file list" and then sits there? [11:45] tuxdev (hidden-use@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:45] eMoparMuscle: it creates some dirs [11:45] but no files, and just hangs [11:45] sec0nd: modprobe -l |grep autofs [11:46] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.84.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:46] Kaapa: im guessing you are just being impatient.......... [11:46] best case scenario [11:46] eMoparMuscle: I'm not [11:46] fri (~fri@port84.ds1-sdb.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:46] no network activity at all [11:47] drive activty should be off the hizzay [11:47] Kaapa, rsync --stats --progress [11:47] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@201.72.199.2) left irc: Quit: bye [11:48] -i too [11:48] --stats only prints at the end though [11:49] true, if rsync'ing over ssh, then spawn sshd on a different port with -ddd and connect to that port then watch what sshd says [11:49] why dont you strace rsync and see what is doing [11:49] fri (~fri@port84.ds1-sdb.adsl.cybercity.dk) left irc: Client Quit [11:49] /sbin/sshd -p 5555 -ddd [11:49] whats that do [11:49] spawns sshd on port 5555 in debug [11:50] oh cool its installed [11:50] thanks [11:51] i dont know what aufs is [11:51] strace just stays there, doesnt give any particular clue [11:51] select(4, [3], [], NULL, {60, 0}) = 0 (Timeout) [11:51] ok, gives this [11:52] yay for me; got spindle of mini-dvdrw [11:53] how do I mirror a site with rsync [11:53] It keeps failing [11:53] a site? [11:54] you cant mirror http with rsync [11:54] use wget [11:54] use htdig [11:54] use privoxy [11:54] use downloadThemAll [11:54] presumably, the docroot, rsync works fine for that [11:56] SunTzu: how much do mini-dvds hold? [11:56] 1g [11:56] lautriv (~root@f050083134.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:56] cool [11:56] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4A552.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:56] yea 13$ @target [11:56] 10 [11:56] that seems kinda pricey... [11:56] Action: hackedhead hasn't bought media in a while.. [11:57] yea but it's better than other stores [11:57] near me [11:57] hmm. mmk [11:57] so... a 1$ minidvd holds almost the same as a $.01 cdr? [11:57] hi, can someone tell me why a fres slack install (13/32) ignores my settings in /etc/hostname and /etc/dnsdomainname ? [11:57] cd are < 700m [11:57] admboom: but it's _mini_ [11:57] lautriv see a rc.* for >/etc/HOSTNAME [11:57] lol, what i hear is "its cute!" :)O [11:57] comment those lines [11:58] anyone know what this error might be in reference to? i just got it out of the blue: httpd: Reserved XML Name at line 3, column 38 [11:58] SunTzu: you can cram alot more in mode 2 [11:58] oops wrong window [11:58] ok [11:58] Skywise more detail :) [11:58] admboom: toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe =P =] [11:58] Skywise in what file? [11:58] i suspect its a php file [11:58] a conf file? [11:59] bloddy hell! [11:59] hackedhead toma toe [11:59] scp doesn't work [11:59] rm it [11:59] no wonder rsync fails! [11:59] hackedhead, nice [11:59] admboom potah-toe [11:59] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] scp and rsync? [11:59] Rint__ (john@static-71-244-60-125.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:00] Gartral is there a tool that does mode 2 by default? [12:01] SunTzu: you can make a cdrtool script with the mode2 flag [12:01] ok [12:01] ty [12:01] nick4 (~fffeop@62.1.247.41.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:02] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5569) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:03] SunTzu, i don't get you [12:03] why? [12:04] SunTzu, i have no rc for hostname, and it was already set by install, i changed /etc/hosts /etc/hostname and /etc/dnsdomainname but no effect [12:04] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:04] grep for it [12:05] read/study the rc's [12:05] see what they do [12:05] hoobop (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:05] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] lautriv: did you reboot? [12:05] he aint runnin winders; there's no need to reboot [12:05] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] SunTzu: if you say so [12:06] doesn't mean it cant help [12:06] k [12:06] eMoparMuscle, yes, multiple times and also fond hostname only in conjunction with dhcp in the scripts [12:06] lautriv: did you run netconfig ? [12:07] sudeshna (~sudeshna@115.187.56.200) joined ##slackware. [12:07] lautriv read rc.M [12:07] eMoparMuscle, nope, i was asked for the hostname at install but it was igged, i will try this [12:07] i only have etc/hosts...where i set my settings [12:07] etc/rc.d/rc.M [12:08] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] hoobop (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] 127.0.0.1 derpa.derpa derpa [12:08] what is the best way to mirror ftp? [12:08] use a ftp client [12:08] or mc [12:08] lftp has a mirror command [12:08] any way you can? [12:09] sec0nd: continuously ? [12:09] Bapa (bapa@S010600045afe792a.cg.shawcable.net) left ##slackware ("delicious, moist watermelon-flavored pancakes"). [12:09] lftp or ncftp is probably the way to go.... [12:09] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-116-236.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:09] lftp supports ssl [12:09] tls [12:10] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:11] eMoparMuscle, netconfig did it, i will see the diff......thx for now [12:12] can i have some thx for later? [12:13] eMoparMuscle, i will DCC you a box of thx [12:14] my client doesnt support that [12:14] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [12:15] eMoparMuscle, sorry lost in transport :-) [12:15] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-79-77.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:16] eMoparMuscle, i have to go, will saw your nerves later [12:16] k [12:18] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:18] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:19] and another C4 chassis will be here pre-10 tomorrow... bloody stupid sun hardware [12:19] sweet [12:20] i can hardly wait [12:21] eelriver (~eelriver@2002:80da:7fc4:a:21b:63ff:feb7:59c) joined ##slackware. [12:32] eelriver (~eelriver@2002:80da:7fc4:a:21b:63ff:feb7:59c) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:34] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. 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[12:54] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:58] that would be my guess [12:59] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wqmtpdjootjwegiy) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [13:00] hi, I am facing problems playing songs from a nfs directory. Audacious automatically changes the song while in the middle of a song. Vlc does not add mp3s into playlist sometimes. what could be the problem? [13:00] Raphael_S (~Raphael_S@r311-pb-itajai.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:01] alreadygone: run audacious from a terminal and look for messages when it glitches? [13:02] sudeshna (~sudeshna@115.187.56.200) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:02] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-opmjsvldlwaacpgi) joined ##slackware. [13:05] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:06] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. 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[13:23] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:26] damn, i <3 perl [13:26] massive registry update done in seconds [13:28] you less than 3 lperl ? [13:29] ah, here comes the jeev to rain on everyone's parade :P [13:33] lol [13:33] iswydt [13:34] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:36] chemosh (~chemosh@5354A903.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:39] IceW (old-times@slave.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:40] hoobop (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:40] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [13:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:41] When I start up, I have in my lilo.conf "vga=ask" So when I do that, I can choose which framebuffer code to use. I can use "vesa=37D", but when I try and put vesa=37d into lilo.conf, I get an error and have to manually choose, how can I use the 37D code? [13:42] augusto (~augusto@189-041-13-065.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:43] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:43] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Reticenti: read the documentation in the kernel documentation directory....the codes are different than you think [13:45] /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt [13:46] yeah, see, it doesnt have my code that I want [13:46] i want 1920x1200 [13:47] you try 0x37d ? [13:47] hmm [13:47] or convert to decimal [13:47] not yet [13:47] i'll try that, thanks [13:47] 893 is it in dec [13:48] yeah [13:48] thanks :) [13:48] the options in vesafb.txt dramatically increase performance...once you get it working [13:48] some can cause artifacts when scrolling though...at least they did 6 years ago [13:49] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:50] interesting [13:51] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:51] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: [13:55] Rint__ (john@static-71-244-60-125.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] lostinadungeon (~eddie@189.107.67.37) joined ##slackware. [13:58] shyko (~shyko@187.39.215.191) joined ##slackware. [13:58] shyko (~shyko@187.39.215.191) left irc: Changing host [13:58] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:58] eMoparMuscle, found my fault, all was ok but hostname on slack is indeed uppercase (strange) :-) [13:59] Axius (~fd@92.84.15.218) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Nick change: Axius -> arckray [13:59] lautriv: ? [13:59] lostinadungeon (eddie@189.107.67.37) left ##slackware. [13:59] uppercase how [14:00] eMoparMuscle, it's /etc/HOSTNAME and not /etc/hostname [14:00] any idea how I can locate a wifi router? [14:00] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:00] a signal seeker or so [14:01] wavemon [14:01] lautriv: ah i see, it is [14:01] When I run wich I get this msg:Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/wicd/wicd-daemon.py", line 44, in import gobject ImportError: No module named gobject [14:01] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:02] eMoparMuscle, i'm used to linux since decades but all others i have seen use it lowercase [14:02] What should I do to make wicd work? [14:02] lautriv: submit a bug report :D [14:02] you have to install the stuff that supplies gobject [14:03] or ... it is installed in a non standard location not /usr ... site-packages [14:03] eMoparMuscle, it's no bug, it's a feature for the blind ones :-) [14:03] and you need to add a pth file for it which contains its location [14:03] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:04] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.42.199) joined ##slackware. [14:04] nick4 (~fffeop@62.1.247.41.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:05] syntax_error (~sineror@host180-123-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:05] hello [14:05] r1mann (~riemann@41.104.70.201) joined ##slackware. [14:05] where i can found the config file for evdev _ [14:05] peacenik (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-79-77.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:06] lautriv: netconfig wiping out etc/hosts is a bug imo [14:08] as in the kb rules? [14:08] Can anyone help me to configure wicd? [14:09] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: see ya! [14:09] chemosh (~chemosh@5354A903.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Quit: chemosh [14:09] shyko (~shyko@187.39.215.191) joined ##slackware. [14:09] shyko (~shyko@187.39.215.191) left irc: Changing host [14:09] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [14:10] is there stuff to configure in wicd? [14:10] i think [14:10] arckray: have you read the documentation in /usr/doc/wicd-$VERSION/ ? [14:10] but i'm guessing gobject is pygtk [14:10] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Client Quit [14:11] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. 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[14:16] theres a crapload of wireless stuff in the netconfig script.....never used it nano -w `which netconfig` [14:16] sahk0: yes, as root. [14:16] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [14:17] root or sudo ? [14:17] which package do I need to install for netconfig? [14:17] goarilla: root [14:17] augusto (~augusto@189-041-13-065.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [14:17] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:17] netconfig is already installed [14:17] or you have more serious problems to worry about [14:18] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] -su: netconfig: command not found [14:18] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:18] /sbin/netconfig [14:18] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [14:19] -su: /sbin/netconfig: No such file or directory [14:19] O_o [14:19] ls -l /sbin/netconfig says ? [14:19] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] arckray, are you on slackware? [14:20] is the network-scripts package installed or its slack 13 alternative [14:20] thrice`: yes, I am. [14:20] /bin/ls: cannot access /sbin/netconfig: No such file or directory [14:20] ouch [14:20] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:20] arckray, did you do a full install? [14:20] ls -ld /sbin/* | grep netconfig [14:20] try installing wicd? [14:21] or network-scripts [14:21] or networkmanager [14:21] aah crap sorry nevermind [14:21] try unbreaking your install [14:21] yeah, do a full install if you want not to have problems [14:21] thrice`: no, I did not. [14:21] yeah, you missed that package [14:21] if you chose the "expert" install, surely you can figure out these trivial problems? [14:22] surely you caused more than trivial problems...but they are waiting for discovery [14:22] I chose menu install. [14:22] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] thats the same as expert nowadays [14:22] which means you missed the whole n/ series? [14:22] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-20-253.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [14:22] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:22] :D [14:23] well the n stands for NO ... no ? [14:23] I've never installed slackware from it's installer, but probably you missed the whole n series [14:23] network [14:23] yeah i know it was a joke [14:23] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:23] just a little one, it was easy to overlook [14:23] yeah, just telling that for arckray [14:24] Ivshti: not whole, I've intalled some packages from n/ series. [14:24] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: see ya! [14:24] I've installed dhcpcd and dhcp. [14:24] yes, and install network-scripts [14:24] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [14:24] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] not even nc ? [14:25] lots of n/ is small and useful [14:25] arckray: start afresh ! [14:25] ang gnupg, gnupg2, gnutls because A LOT of the packages depend on them [14:25] and do a full install [14:25] i can understand skipping stuff like samba and php [14:25] nick4 (~fffeop@62.1.247.41.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:25] gpa and gpgme, too, also pretty important [14:25] trhodes: what's nc? [14:25] netcat [14:25] obex* stuff too if you want bluez [14:26] wget, ofc [14:26] Ivshti: ? [14:26] ang: ? [14:26] bluez depends on obex* if I'm not mistaken [14:26] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:26] ang gnupg, gnupg2, gnutls because A LOT of the packages depend on them [14:26] looks like you were talking to me :P [14:26] Action: goarilla slaps Ivshti [14:27] get a hold of yourself and stop talking shibberish [14:27] Shrubberish? [14:27] yeah, some of those was pretty important [14:27] I guess gnutls but I'm not sure [14:27] some libraries that slapt-get uses [14:28] slapt-get hahahahahahaha [14:28] it's a nice tool sometimes [14:28] no flamewars [14:28] not for upgrading system [14:29] I want to run dhcpcd as normal user when the system is started. What should I do for that? [14:30] it's for debian people Ivshti [14:30] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [14:30] oh come on, I hate debian [14:30] yeah but you like apt-get [14:30] the package system is way to complex [14:30] and slapt-get is just _BASIC_ dependency resolution and package download and stuff [14:30] on top of pkgtools, and pkgtools is 10000 times more simple than dpkg [14:31] is slackware.com being ddos'd? [14:31] arckray are you trying to start dhcpcd automatically at startup? [14:31] arckray: dhcpcd is supposed to be started by network-scripts if not by udev [14:31] eMoparMuscle, I don't know but I can't open the page either [14:31] ea_suter: yes, if is possibile. [14:31] i've nver used debian only tried some of its derivatives, so i cant comment on deb packages [14:31] you need to edit inet.conf [14:31] but i loaaaaath rpms [14:32] Your request for http://www.slackware.com/security/ could not be fulfilled, because the connection to www.slackware.com (64.57.102.34) could not be established. [14:32] edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [14:32] im going to make slack-yum! [14:32] goarilla: dpkg is a bit annoying with it's auto-dependency resolution. that should be done only and only by apt-get but it's a matter of personal taste [14:32] or slack-urpmi [14:32] there is a field called USE_DHCP [14:32] make sure it is set to "yes" [14:32] or something that gives credit to a package system i hate [14:32] eMoparMuscle: yeah, nice joke. anyway, slapt-get is much more simple to those tools [14:33] ea_suter: if not manualy when the system is started as normal user. [14:33] that should make dhcpcd start automatically for eth0 [14:33] Ivshti: i wont use it based on its name alone [14:33] anyway, it's a matter of personal taste. hope we don't get into flamewars and stuff [14:33] lol [14:33] I bet apt-get is like 10 times more code than slapt-get [14:33] anyway, forget about it [14:33] slapt? what's wrong with a name like that ? [14:33] anyone use wpa_gui? and can help me... [14:33] Ivshti, you think? It's much more complex. [14:33] they should make a channel slackware-flamewars [14:34] 10 times haahahaha [14:34] if that's not an underestimate [14:34] yeah, saw the source of it, and I don't think apt-get is so easy to understand [14:34] BAH who broked slackware.com [14:34] An "unclean" way to do it can be to just add "/sbin/dhcpcd eth0" to /etc/rc.d/rc.local [14:34] r1mann (~riemann@41.104.70.201) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:34] never saw the source of apt-get, however [14:34] but it is preferable to configure your networks properly using the inet configuration file [14:34] i would dhcpcd -d -t 60 eth0 & [14:35] ea_suter: I dont have that file /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [14:35] arckray [14:35] arckray: just install network-scripts!!! [14:35] start afresh and do a full install [14:35] check tagfiles in the internet [14:35] if you want to install a minimal systme [14:35] *system [14:35] network-scripts is important [14:35] yeah, except if you don't install networkmanager [14:36] *no flamewars lol* [14:36] I thought network-scripts was marked "required" in the tag files? [14:36] oh...you don't have network-scripts installed? [14:36] you don't come to #slackware and say "no flamewars"....thats likely to get you slapt [14:36] ;) [14:36] lol [14:36] Action: Motoko-chan winces at the bad pun [14:36] hehehehe good one [14:36] they should put a description [14:36] "banned topics: slapt-get, networkmanager, pulseaudio" [14:36] someone's got a case of the mundays [14:37] What's wrong with PulseAudio other than it being a steaming pile? [14:37] it used to be in the topic that it was off-topic iirc [14:37] gnome, policykit, all the kits [14:37] i'm a pulseaudio pariah :) [14:37] (it meets my needs) [14:37] It breaks my laptop. [14:37] well, slackware guys usually hate those stuff [14:37] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: class [14:37] and ultimately it could solve a lot of problems [14:37] especially the *kit stuff [14:37] Well, it works on boot, but then I get silence after 10 minutes. [14:38] but i said that about jack and esd as well [14:38] jack is a quite different project [14:38] goarilla: They said that about OSS, ALSA, ARTS, jack, esd... [14:38] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [14:38] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:38] and pulseaudio is similar to esd [14:38] and ARTS is also different [14:38] isn't jack also a soundserver ? [14:39] and ALSA isn't deprecated [14:39] yes [14:39] i think we are forgetting arts tho [14:39] but pulseaudio has different goals [14:39] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:39] Arts is deprecated, iirc [14:39] could be could be [14:39] It's replaced by Phonon. [14:39] arts never worked for me [14:39] Is one of PulseAudio's goals sucking? [14:39] Oh, and Phonon. [14:39] If so, it is succeeding. [14:39] "Sound is hard in Linux. Let's add another layer!" [14:39] why the **** did KDE just not use gstreamer and pulseaudio [14:40] esd sometimes works sometimes doesn't but commercial X server packages seems to prefer it [14:40] jkwood: oh snap, you went there [14:40] Ivshti, it does. [14:40] but through phonon [14:40] it's kind of multi-layer [14:40] jkwood speaking of layers over in sourcemage we where discussing the many endless layers of languages ;) [14:40] and ALSA and PulseAudio SHOULD be different layers [14:40] The idea with Phonon is you can slip another backend for it. [14:40] slackware.com hates me [14:40] even an onion has limits on the number of layers for good reason [14:40] ALSA is kind of much lower level [14:40] slackware.com is down for me too [14:40] Like Xine, or even DirectAudio on Win32. [14:40] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [14:41] CcSsNET: Like wrapping a java program in python in perl in ruby in bash in c? [14:41] pulseaudio should be just a slim server that distributes the sound from streams to sinks as the user wants [14:41] :D [14:41] that's how i code [14:41] and xine is kind of deprecated [14:41] Ivshti, usually it directs sound to the toilet. [14:41] in favor of gstreamer [14:41] nice one! [14:41] heh, no we where just making fun of how layers come instead of fixing the intial problem due to lack of skill [14:41] gstreamer yuk [14:42] Motoko-chan: ^5 [14:42] summed up [14:42] kde can't use gstreamer 'cause of the "g" in the name, duh [14:42] IMO, the modern gnome stuff it's the best structure for me [14:42] i hate the gstreamer firefox plugin it DOESN't work [14:42] they deprecated HAL, too [14:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:42] i say we just let the kernel handle everything [14:42] thank you for your help. [14:42] and all the kit stuff is kind of getting better and lighter [14:43] it was duplicating functionality [14:43] Ivshti: you are forgetting that gnome introduced all the stuff the they're deprecating now.. [14:43] we'll get there but now it's just stuff that will break [14:43] Red Hat to be precise [14:43] yeah [14:43] you guys are making me nausious [14:43] "Gnome: If our code doesn't do what we want it to, we scrap it and start over!" [14:44] goarilla: not having things like the kits and stuff will make the application writers duplicate stuff [14:44] hey, kde likes that too [14:44] *is like [14:44] well, HAL was originally a prototype [14:44] and it started duplicating things udev does [14:44] arckray (~fd@92.84.15.218) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:44] and even the kernel does [14:44] yeah Ivshti but it's not stable enough atm imho [14:44] udev anyone? [14:44] hehe [14:44] so it was replaced by 2 much slimmer components without any stupid *fdi files which do their job right [14:44] hal was a prototype last week [14:44] eelriver (~eelriver@2002:80da:7fc4:a:21b:63ff:feb7:59c) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:45] trhodes: Not nearly so bad. Yes, they scrapped everything for 4.0, but that was a pretty big deal. Too much legacy code in that case. [14:45] hello to all, if somebody can help me with wpa_gui i realy thaanks [14:45] sorry there not slimmer. infact the 70 processes consolekit runs can stay the f. away from my box. [14:45] that's something buggy [14:45] i agree [14:45] if you got a proper implementation it should not be that bad [14:45] i have 278 processes on fc [14:45] consolekit is pretty slim and monitors sessions [14:45] at work and i run awesome instead of a DE [14:45] www.slackware.com: Connection timed outnnServer CoralWebPrx/0.1.20 (See http://coralcdn.org/) at 165.230.49.115:8080 [14:46] I also like fluxbox [14:46] i have 68 on sourcemage total system wide. and 15 are userland apps. [14:46] me 2 [14:46] What does ConsoleKit do? [14:46] SOUL_OF_ROOT: any details? [14:46] well, monitors sessions [14:46] Ivshti: apart from it not working at all with shadow [14:46] eMoparMuscle: It's definitely down. [14:46] Why? For what purpose? [14:46] on the behalf of who? [14:46] pprkut: and how old shadow is? [14:46] ;) [14:47] well, it should be done by gnome [14:47] jkwood: keep hammering it till it comes back up [14:47] Speaking of wrapping stuff inside stuff... http://www.hulu.com/watch/1447/saturday-night-live-taco-town [14:47] because we have login managers and stuff in every OS :) [14:47] and shadow won't do it, we need details [14:47] i kinda hate it mac os x doesn't have its regular users in /etc/passwd [14:47] oh friend thanks for atention [14:47] For those who can't see Hulu, http://www.viddler.com/explore/chris/videos/47/ [14:47] we need information like on which tty is the X session started [14:47] we need other info, too [14:47] Ivshti: Oh, right. Because I want to use gdm to login on my remote server... [14:47] on which tty is the session started [14:47] that is what the display manager needs in order to have a typical OS functionality [14:47] Why? [14:47] the device wlan0 could no ate listed on interface [14:48] Axius (~fd@92.84.15.218) joined ##slackware. [14:48] Typical? [14:48] Motoko-chan: with a 2 litre baked right in the crust! [14:48] what about ps -ef ? [14:48] yeah, like windows and os x [14:48] Axius (~fd@92.84.15.218) left irc: Client Quit [14:48] Last I checked, Windows didn't know about ttys. [14:48] you act like this is proprietary software, where this information is not attainable from a shell script that weighs less then 2kb... dont defend consolekit [14:48] Neither does OS X. [14:48] nope, I mean which user is logged in [14:48] who? [14:49] you start the dm and it needs to know who is logged in and stuff [14:49] the thing you suggested won't work because it needs to know which user has a working X session [14:49] Assuming it needs this for a desktop, only one user would normally be logged in, and they'd be running X! [14:49] and which user has logged in through a dm [14:49] so if you check if the user is running the X process [14:49] it's kind of not-elegant solution [14:49] consolekit needs to be scraped. start over. [14:49] is it even needed? [14:49] I can't recall two different locally logged in users with their own X session. [14:50] no [14:50] Except for maybe terminal servers. [14:50] either way, it's going to be done by a DM and a DE [14:50] Axius (~fd@92.84.15.218) joined ##slackware. [14:50] what consolekit does is moves it out of the DE and the DM so it can be used by other DE's [14:50] It seems like a solution in search of a problem. [14:50] motoko-chan i use sourcemage for that one reason alone. to get rid of consolekit from my system by force. [14:50] Kinda like PulseAudio. [14:50] yeah, because you don't need it [14:51] but a mainstream OS needs it [14:51] how can i determine if i need consolekit before it is shoved down my throat? [14:51] i dought that [14:51] And at least PulseAudio kinda has a problem it's trying to solve. [14:51] and it's not as simple as the typical ps -ef stuff [14:51] slackware != mainstream OS, done with it [14:51] Ivshti, why does a mainstream OS ***need*** it? [14:51] slackware is back up [14:51] not telling that slackware must have it [14:51] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:51] does slackware use consolekit? [14:51] Motoko-chan: test windows [14:52] CcSsNET: no (t yet) [14:52] good [14:52] and the login managment and stuff [14:52] some users need it [14:52] mostly families [14:52] no [14:52] not true [14:52] it depends on the point of view [14:52] well i don't like it the stuff that does use consolekit and im talking about fc and opensuse here is slow and bloated as hell even when using a WM instead of a DE [14:52] I still don't get what it does. [14:52] Are we talking multi-user login? [14:52] its basically a framework for spyware imo [14:52] it monitors the DE sessions [14:52] With running suspended sessions and stuff? [14:52] _DE_ sessions [14:52] not usual user logins [14:53] CcSsNET: just what we need [14:53] heh exactly [14:53] So, the system is running the GUI itself? [14:53] heheheh [14:53] Action: Motoko-chan is confused [14:53] so lets keep it known [14:53] it's a special library to monitor _EXACTLY_ DE sessions [14:53] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] the other solutions is to check if the user runs a process from a DE [14:53] the suspended user sessions is nice sometimes [14:53] for example to check if the user runs gnome-session [14:53] or to check if the user runs plasma [14:53] dont listen to ivshti, its not needed for any "respectable" purposes. [14:53] even tho it still feels half baked when compared to windows [14:53] Ivshti: login on console, startx. Oops, untracked DE session.... [14:54] Why does that need to be known? [14:54] The thing of it is, I don't run a multi-user environment. I don't need something that keeps me from hibernating the computer, etc. [14:54] pprkut: nope, ck is started in the session files in /etc/X11/xinit [14:54] so it will still be tracked [14:54] The apps should be agnostic to if it's Plasma or GNOMEcrud or whatever. [14:54] as I said, who doesn't run a multi-user environment doesn't need it [14:55] a non-mainstream OS doesn't need it [14:55] ok and what if you do X -- -display :1 [14:55] UNIX has done multi-user environments for longer than Windows. [14:55] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:55] but everyone will be forced to use it, because DE's depend on it [14:55] even if there only goal was to make sure it didnt hybernate during multi user sessions. there doing it wrong. we dont want 70 damn processes. [14:55] goarilla: if you don't run any of the xinitrc scripts it's not a DE session, it's an xterm or whatever you start session [14:55] There have been tons of historical UNIX terminal servers that haven't needed it. [14:55] what if they try to hack the X server itself to track it aswell [14:55] i can see them doing that [14:55] CcSsNET: they are trying to destroy GNU/Linux/FOSS! [14:55] probably ^ [14:55] nope, I don't think so [14:56] i do [14:56] you can still remove it and stuff [14:56] no u cant [14:56] just look how poorly ubuntu performs and how they have all these mouth-breathers eating it up [14:56] in fc or opensuse [14:56] you can still use basic X without even udev hotplugging and fluxbox [14:56] or ubuntu hahahahahahahaha [14:56] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:56] i had to switch distro and recompile from source just to get away from it... [14:56] it's all so deeply entranched that yes [14:56] if you want any mainstream functions you should use the kits because else it must be implemented seperately by KDE and gnome [14:56] you can hack it [14:56] mainstream? [14:56] ivshti is trying to sell us consolekit hahaha [14:56] yeah, like ubuntu [14:56] but it'll take a lot of time [14:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:57] Ubuntu has been a joke the last several times I've tried it. [14:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:57] no, just trying to tell that it's not created just for fun or just for evil purposes [14:57] Failed twice. [14:57] yes you can get away from it if you use LFS [14:57] indeed [14:57] ubuntu helps users [14:57] I know a lot of happy ubuntu users [14:57] not really knowing how their OS works [14:57] I know a lot of happy meth users, too. [14:57] just using it [14:57] I know a lot of happy Windows 98 users. [14:57] i know a lot of sad users [14:57] That doesn't mean Windows 98 is the ultimate solution. [14:57] they dont know any better [14:57] I mean, it's the kind of thing that gets users to use Linux [14:58] Not knowing how things work is a great way to get infected with something. [14:58] google cache of consolekit propaganada: http://www.ln-s.net/5EfW [14:58] huh what ? [14:58] Even people driving cars have a basic knowledge of how it works. [14:58] Motoko-chan: nobody cares for people affected with something [14:58] consolekit is so great everybody starts using linux because of it ? [14:58] if you don't want to be affected you will know [14:58] my only point is consolekit whatever its purpose is obviosly being done wrong with 70 processes. any case they try and claim. make it a single frigin process and let it be a standard service. something easily removable. not a embeded dependancy. [14:58] no ldap-server-package around ? [14:59] nope, Ubuntu is made in a way that allows the windows users to use it [14:59] here here CcSsNET [14:59] Because Windows users are obviously retarded. [14:59] So they need "special" help. [14:59] trhodes: that guys premise that guests dont want to see my porn collection is at odds with all my experience [14:59] it's like the nssplugin wrapper for firefox imho [14:59] or they just don't like knowing their OS [14:59] haha ;) [14:59] all they look for is my porn [14:59] it breaks 2 many is too bloated and locks up ff [14:59] nobody makes you know your OS, it's not an obligation [15:00] goarilla, it is useful for loading 32-bit extensions in 64-bit FF, but that's about it. [15:00] lautriv: ldap requires PAM, which Slackware doesn't have. [15:00] and nobody cares when you get a virus because of not knowing your software [15:00] LDAP server shouldn't need PAM. [15:00] i'd expect such drivel out of johns hopkins though [15:00] yes i know but it's used even on 32 bit in the "POPULAR DISTRO's" [15:00] so it's not a big deal to have os-es that encourage users not to know them [15:00] your opinions about win make me feel "at home" in this channel :-))) [15:00] and it breaks [15:00] goarilla, ick [15:00] second rate community college [15:00] Ivshti, those people should get an iPad then. [15:01] yes! I agree [15:01] Apple actively discourages learning anything about that. [15:01] Perfect for people that want their computer to be a toaster. [15:01] and Apple fools the users, it's not their fault [15:01] yeah but it's still a unix [15:01] it's the fault of those who are fooled [15:01] and automator is cool [15:01] jkwood, but the client is available and the server not, should be the opposite if it's a PAM problem [15:01] imho [15:01] but it's like for retarded people [15:01] you can't install anything out of your app store [15:01] hey i'm typing this on a mac [15:01] Action: Motoko-chan leaves circular argument to go do actual work. [15:02] goarilla, I'm so sorry you're retarded. [15:02] with a ssh screen session to my now slack router [15:02] fileserver [15:02] like having a single supermarket in the world and not being able to buy anything which is not sold in it [15:02] great man once said "stupid is as stupid does" [15:02] i'm not retarded [15:02] i have a syndrome [15:02] apple hardware is kind of good [15:02] lautriv: I don't make the rules, I just ignore them. [15:03] goarilla, what arch ? [15:03] and apple are kind of innovative [15:03] Ivshti: stop trolling [15:03] macbook pro unibody [15:03] I'm not trolling [15:03] 13 inch and SSD [15:03] goarilla sounds like some troll we had here yesterday, "a_small_dog". [15:03] amirite? [15:03] I'm actually liking [15:03] yeah i love it [15:03] Ivshti: for a vast majority of people, that one supermarket has all the goods they want to get [15:03] ea_suter: yeah that troll was a seriously bad fellow...helped a bunch of people [15:03] sad thing is i have to write all these BSD wrappers since i'm so used to GNU [15:03] ananke: and for those who want to distribute something freely without being controlled by apple? [15:04] and they have like stuff from FSF alongside the BSD [15:04] we can't have people helping people in #slackware, we must oust these trolls who seek to help others [15:04] i still have FSF bc :( [15:04] they use it, they don't quite like it [15:04] goarilla, what arch ? [15:05] they use the kernel, so there is code similarity between iPhone OS/mac OS X and BSD [15:05] Ivshti: they belong to the minority. [15:05] but no feel similarity [15:05] what do you mean [15:05] if anyone cares"which seems to be quite the crowd atm" here is my "i dont use list" policy-kit, console-kit, exim4"i dont need it", portmap, xinitd"i use initd", cron"i dont need an easy way for a virus to live",atd"likewise",PAM, LVM"not everyone needs this, but its not bad", cups"i dont own printer", compiz"no thx on the 50fps loss on games" [15:05] MacBookPro5,5 [15:05] you just can't have freedom on an apple device if you don't jailbrake it [15:05] i must say ... its performance is very consistent [15:06] CcSsNET: fringe conspiracy theorist paranoid schizophrenic tea-bagger [15:06] :P [15:06] i haven't really bogged it down yet [15:06] which is something i hate MS for [15:06] sometimes it just freezes [15:06] CcSsNET: as I said, if the kits don't exist, they will be implemented in KDE and GNOME [15:06] android > iphone [15:06] and if it has to do a lot of Disk IO [15:06] phrag: OFC :) [15:06] the windows machne is like molasses [15:06] i dont use kde or gnome [15:06] syntax_error (~sineror@host180-123-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:06] i do love my htc =) [15:06] CcSsNET: ok. it's your choice [15:06] touch* ? [15:06] hero [15:07] if you had to choose......WinXP or Ubuntu... GO! your votes will determine your fate [15:07] CcSsNET: so you can get rid of *kit [15:07] ubuntu ofc [15:07] CcSsNET: sounds like you ought to head towards the LFS direction [15:07] Ivshti: if you want a hackeable open phone why did you buy an iphone anyway [15:07] Ivshti: and loose a lot of functionality that way [15:07] im beyond LFS [15:07] goarilla: I didn't. I have an iPhone touch and it's jailbroken so I still get the freedom I want [15:08] i started my new job today and was allowed (yey encouraged) to install slackware on my workmachine as the only OS =) [15:08] anyway that list was for yall enjoy the tweaking [15:08] but users don't get it by default and have to void their warranty in order to have the freedom they want [15:08] now that's a cool place to work =) [15:08] phrag: you are lucky [15:08] very! =) [15:08] eMoparMuscle,WinXP. [15:08] which is kind of annoying considering that palm allows you to install anything on your phone and still not void the warranty [15:08] i went in ... you can install anything you want even on all the pc's since you're a domain admin [15:08] Coolmax (~mateusz@ip-94-42-52-31.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:08] I dislike Ubuntu that much. [15:08] lol [15:08] also i dont use: samba, nfs [15:09] 2 months later you HAVE to install Mcaffee YOU HAVE TO have a WINDOWS installation on your main computer AND you HAVE TO HAVE WIN VISTA for testing [15:09] they may have there place. but 99% people dont need them [15:09] yay! slackware.com is back! [15:09] thank god for virtualbox [15:09] :D [15:09] Action: Motoko-chan uses Linux for main OS on workstation at work. [15:09] and that my original boss is retires [15:09] I do keep Windows around only for VMWare vSphere. [15:10] s/s$/d/ [15:10] i use fc at work :( [15:10] CcSsNET: i like how you pull that '99%' number out of thin air [15:10] Which is only when I need to do some maintenance. vmplayer in Linux works for console connections. [15:10] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [15:10] yea the %'s are fun [15:10] it was my choice ... since khr recommended it for helping linux in general [15:10] least i know your paying attention [15:10] but i hate it [15:10] 78.2% of statistics are made up on the spot. [15:11] I use Mandriva for my desktop. [15:11] lol jkwood [15:11] it's always fun when we start trolling on ubuntu, apple and microsoft on the slackware channel [15:11] It's clean and mostly avoids the *Kit stuff. [15:11] The other 38.7% were made up for you. [15:11] but jkwood is not making any of this up ^ [15:11] It does do RPM, but URPMI is pretty nice. [15:11] jkwood++ [15:11] however, tolerance. there are users who are ok with MS, apple and ubuntu. I don't see anything wrong with it [15:11] takes those down as notes [15:11] Motoko-chan: in a vm it sucks [15:11] just as bad as suse or fc [15:11] goarilla, what does? [15:11] mandriva [15:12] I'm not using it in a VM. [15:12] yeah i know [15:12] mandriva is kind of annoying for me, but it's a matter of personal taste [15:12] but NOW i always test distro's in a vm [15:12] Ivshti: as much as i agree with that, it seems that ##slackware is very keen on bashing anything other than slackware [15:12] CcSsNET: dont worry, they will build their tower of babel only to have the base layers deprecated in a year [15:12] Mandriva works better for me than *buntu. [15:12] foundation if you will [15:12] that's not a hard feat [15:12] Kubuntu is KDE done the worst possible way (last I tried it). [15:12] I've heard SuSE does KDE well. [15:13] eMoparMuscle yea something like that ;) [15:13] what I dislike about those distros and what I like about slackware is that those distros take one source package and seperate it into 2 or 3 others (lib*, *-dev, *) while slackware takes one source package and delivers it into one package and it's as vanilla as possible [15:13] Motoko-chan: it seems that suse's kde is one of the most polished out there [15:13] thats a lie Motoko-chan [15:13] I use Slackware on my servers, and Mandriva on desktop. It's a good combo for me. [15:13] anyway anyone here around boston area? [15:13] goarilla, hm? [15:13] libreplanet is this weekend [15:13] What part? [15:14] i plan to goto libreplanet [15:14] ananke, so I've heard. The general consensus I've found is Mandriva and SuSE have the best KDE implementations. [15:14] maybe [15:14] No, I'm pretty sure that Kubuntu is KDE done the worst way possible. It has been for as long as I've tried using it. [15:14] Ivshti, I agree on the package splits. Those are annoying. [15:14] and I still haven't found a gnome distro which I would like [15:14] SuSE has always been well polished. not my style though [15:15] what I do is I develop my own based on slackware, as minimalistic as possible [15:15] with GNOME [15:15] I've run pkgtools on RHEL. [15:15] Action: eMoparMuscle vomits hard [15:15] Anything involving Gnome is far from minimalistic. [15:15] this place is hopping [15:15] Motoko-chan: I have pkgtools on my ipod [15:15] wheres the keg? [15:15] as minimalistic as possible, I said [15:15] and not minimalistic [15:16] I hear GNOME might soon be depending on Mono. [15:16] the gnome apps are already depending on mono [15:16] Sounds like a recipe for disaster. [15:16] but I just hope that doesn't happen [15:16] I'll have to seek for alternatives [15:16] MS can sue and kill the default DE of Ubuntu quickly. [15:16] hahahah [15:16] and GNOME has the best design for me, except those old libraries like libbonobo and gnome-vfs [15:16] xfce, lxde, fluxbox, e17 [15:16] the state of affairs in about every human endeavor are too depressing for me to take......good bye cruel world! [15:16] KDE 4 works very well. [15:16] xfce is quite monolithic [15:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:16] gnome doesn't depend on mono [15:17] thrice`, not yet. [15:17] yes, some apps do however [15:17] evolution does [15:17] Motoko-chan: I'm pretty sure that Gnome depends on Evolution. It's a vicious cycle. [15:17] nopeee! [15:17] it depends on evolution-something [15:17] a library [15:17] jkwood, I think it may need the data server, but that isn't Mono-bound. [15:17] yes [15:17] exactly [15:17] seeing as how most of gnome is on the RH payroll (and they're not too fond of it), I really doubt gnome will ever depend on it [15:17] Ximian is owned by Novel though. [15:17] Novell [15:18] but evolution is annoying [15:18] what does that matter? [15:18] So Novell has more control technically. [15:18] i would rather see gnome dependant on gambas2 then on mono... [15:18] it's great for the users but it depends on mono [15:18] No, it doesn't require Mono yet, but the very fact that I've run into circular dependencies trying to build Gnome, doesn't give me much hope for the future. [15:18] Anyway, I'm liking the choices in KDE4. [15:18] what does ximian have to do with anything? [15:18] well, me too, but evolution-data-server is separated now [15:19] the clock depends on evolution-data-server [15:19] haven't saw anything else that depends on it [15:19] and the clock is pretty easy to replace, I guess [15:19] maybe port the xfce clock applet or something [15:20] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-119-74.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:20] but there is a reason for every dependency [15:20] except for those old deprecated libraries [15:20] (libbonobo, so on...) [15:20] Ivshti: only if you first build a xfce-> gnome applet wrapper library framework that must be installed... [15:20] and make sure the kernel is dependent on it [15:20] I don't really care, I just install evolution-data-server [15:20] it's like 1 mb [15:20] even less [15:21] guys i cant add usb on vbox guest....why? [15:21] COMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 2732K [15:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:21] ok, 2 [15:21] I don't think VBox OSE includes USB support. [15:21] but the non-OSe includes [15:21] dont use vbox ;) [15:22] I'm fairly certain it does. [15:22] or vmware [15:22] qemu is quite slow :( [15:22] Action: jkwood fires it up [15:22] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:22] no usb in vbox ose. 100% certain [15:22] even with hardware acceleration [15:22] then i must find non-ose vbox? [15:22] yes [15:22] or use an alternative [15:23] use the binary from oracle [15:23] peacenik (root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [15:23] ohh oracle [15:23] scary [15:23] Action: Motoko-chan uses VMWare Player, mostly to use modified BIOS images [15:23] Hmm... I have a menu option for usb devices. [15:23] I miss the old sun website [15:23] i havent dared to look [15:24] i might twitch [15:24] Ivshti, wait some time and you miss the rest too [15:24] it's kind of bad when so many open source projects get owned by so big companies and then by even bigger ones and bigger ones [15:24] but it sometimes results to progress [15:24] Ah, not working. Ah well. [15:25] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:25] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:25] guys my localhost is no longer resolved [15:25] Host localhost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [15:26] how can i resolve the matter ? [15:26] Ivshti: your optimism is fooling no one [15:26] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) joined ##slackware. [15:26] lol [15:26] he might work at oracle [15:26] ;) [15:26] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:26] paissad, you ask dns for localhost ? [15:27] lautriv, actually, i tried to nmap localhost, i nmap was not able to resolve it ! [15:27] dunno why ! [15:27] 's/i/and' [15:27] 14:06 < eMoparMuscle> CcSsNET: fringe conspiracy theorist paranoid schizophrenic tea-bagger [15:27] i loved this btw ^ [15:28] paissad, i would guess either you killed /etc/hosts or your host.conf ask dns before file [15:28] i can make a better one [15:28] adding to my random text drop folder [15:28] lautriv, how ? [15:28] the site hasn't really changed [15:28] lol [15:28] or do you mean sun.com and not virtualbox [15:28] paissad, pastebin the content of those 2 files [15:29] aaargh [15:29] actually, it really does result to progress [15:29] my eyes my eyessss [15:29] I hope so [15:29] ok sun.com is practically oracle.com [15:29] CcSsNET: fring conspiracy theorist paranoid schizophrenic tea-bagger anti-semite right-wing extremist left-wing extremist birther conspiritard tin-foil hatter moon-bat nutter paul-tard chem-tard anarchist anti-vaxxer truther terrorist global warming denier holocaust denier mouthbreathing derptard [15:29] lautriv, /etc/hosts -> http://dpaste.com/172250/ [15:29] i thinks it's even just a redirect [15:29] lol [15:30] lautriv, host.conf http://dpaste.com/172252/ [15:30] lol, it could be said for both of you guys :D [15:30] that had some overlaps just maybe [15:30] kinda like consolekit [15:30] CcSsNET: thats jeev in a nutshell ziiiiing [15:30] hehehe [15:30] lol [15:31] Coolmax (~mateusz@ip-94-42-52-31.multimo.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:31] CcSsNET: i like your geek stand-up comedy] [15:31] paissad, this is normal [15:31] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31465.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:31] this whole discussion is a "geek stand-up comedy" [15:31] :D [15:31] i get paid in packets. ill be here for 3.4 nano seconds. [15:31] hehehe [15:31] :D [15:32] I love comedy! What did I miss? [15:32] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:32] CcSsNET: nah, you are stuck in my tarpit [15:32] i'll be here for ICMP :P [15:32] eMoparMuscle, the codename of my project is tarpit ;) [15:33] more like tardpit [15:33] the codename of my project is _learn_to_progam_first_ [15:33] or spell ^ [15:33] heeheheh [15:33] :D [15:33] well i'm eurotrash you know [15:34] lautriv, any other idea ? [15:34] I'm gonna save this chat log in a file and then put it on all my storage devices and backup it on a CD [15:34] goarilla: you like house music too!? [15:34] eh im college drop out. screw you java. i wont be "pitched" your existance... [15:34] yes i like goa [15:34] paissad, i miss the 2nd file and you could also send /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [15:34] and since house is the predecessor of goa ... i can tolerate it as well ... if it's any good [15:35] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [15:35] myspace.com/theccsscontact [15:35] lol.. never heard of goa [15:35] but now I know what it is [15:35] if anyone has one these evil things... [15:35] it's a sub genre of psychedelic trance [15:35] lautriv, http://dpaste.com/172255/ [15:35] so trance is it's predecessor? [15:35] CcSsNET: that's probably the best one liner you have done but i'm not that into java [15:36] lol [15:36] can't understand the picthed existance stuff [15:36] sold to me [15:36] has it to do with extend and new keyword ? [15:36] anyone here who likes modern punk stuff? [15:36] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Action: eMoparMuscle throws an exception [15:36] replaced pitched existance with sold to me [15:36] what's modern [15:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:36] like rise against, anti-flag, bands formed after 90 [15:36] paissad, where is /etc/hosts ? and do you have NO network ? [15:37] lautriv, /etc/hosts -> http://dpaste.com/172250/ [15:37] i love rancid and nofx [15:37] (not pop-punk) [15:37] yeah, they're great [15:37] i like rage against machine is good [15:37] ea_suter (~easuter@nat-1.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:37] even like some millencollin [15:37] rage against the machine is not rise against [15:37] Ivshti: i too am uncultured [15:37] :D still he makes a valid point [15:37] goarilla: ever heard of strung out? [15:37] yes [15:38] they're my fav band, especially their newer stuff [15:38] their older stuff sounds like nofx [15:38] kind of copied [15:38] didn't they appear on a give em the boot 'hellcat' production [15:39] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:39] maybe [15:39] don't know about compilations and stuff [15:39] paissad, you don't have "any" network-device ? [15:39] they appeared on rock against bush with a new song [15:39] wow nice. just cought steam pulling some application hijacking. it seems to have modified screensavers hahhaha [15:39] lautriv, yes i do, eth0 [15:40] < very interested in forensics and against all corporations [15:40] CcSsNET: ? [15:40] steam did what [15:40] yea want a screenshot emoparmuscle? [15:40] yes [15:40] ok pm me [15:40] did they ever release under epitaph [15:40] paissad, try this -> ifconfig lo up <-- and tell me what happend [15:41] no, they're fat wreck only [15:41] aaaah [15:41] isn't fat wreck [15:41] nofx fat mikes label [15:41] fat mike is the man [15:41] with less than jake [15:41] lautriv, i checked ... lo is up [15:41] as one of their minions [15:41] What packages sbopkg needs to work? [15:41] he made rise against release a EP with 2 great songs because of a lost bet [15:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:41] and voodoo glow skulls maybe 2 [15:41] lautriv, & has this inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 [15:42] i do think it's a shame [15:42] that 3rd wave ska is kinda dead [15:42] paissad, but still not responding ? show me /etc/resolv.conf [15:42] no idea about that [15:42] 2 tone is dead [15:42] i checked too ;) [15:42] 2sec [15:42] Axius: are you sure it doesnt work already? [15:42] I kind of hate when somebody says that a genre is dead [15:42] music evolves [15:42] as well as gnu/linux does [15:42] hellcath is that too iirc [15:43] paissad, and output of "route" [15:43] it's like the *kit stuff but in music [15:43] yeah but when i was young [15:43] lautriv, http://dpaste.com/172259/ (resolv.conf) [15:43] ska was big in alternative circles [15:43] just like punk is/was [15:43] lautriv, http://dpaste.com/172260/ [15:43] but i harw [15:43] hate* all these new punk subgenres [15:43] paissad: /etc/hosts [15:43] Crimius (crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) left ##slackware. [15:43] music is very interesting subject for ##slackware-offtopic [15:43] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [15:44] eMoparMuscle, /etc/hosts -> http://dpaste.com/172250/ [15:44] like speedpunk or punkcore [15:44] yes, I agree, goarilla, yet's move out out of here [15:44] wtf [15:44] into slackware-offtopic [15:44] why do we need to subdivide categories over and over and over [15:44] paissad: that looks okay i guess [15:44] paissad, remove that "search lan" from resolv.conf [15:45] goarilla, join the slackware-offtopic channel and chat there, I'm also there [15:45] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [15:45] lautriv, done [15:45] lautriv, restart inet1 ? [15:45] is there a way i can cancel and lftp mirror and have it resume in parallel? [15:45] nvision (~nvision@g229053091.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:45] paissad, first output of route [15:46] lautriv, http://dpaste.com/172260/ (route) [15:46] sec0nd: Control-C, then mirror -c to continue the job. [15:46] eMoparMuscle: When I try to sync with repo nothing happens. [15:46] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:46] Axius: you need rsync [15:46] eMoparMuscle: ok. [15:46] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] thansk jkwood [15:46] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:47] Immundus (~obi@g225057054.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:47] paissad, your default route (gateway) points to gestionBbox.lan do yourself a pleasure and replace it by the appropirate IP [15:48] lautriv, sorry but i unserstand nothing about route configuration ^^ [15:48] lautriv, btw, gestionBBox.lan is my gateway [15:48] paissad, what's your IP for gestionBbox.lan ? [15:49] lautriv, 's/gateway/router" [15:49] lautriv, 192.168.1.254 [15:51] you guys are really helpful [15:52] paissad, forget this one, i found it will instantly revert your changes because it's coming from your routers dhcp-info [15:52] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [15:53] paissad, but it's a bad practice, you have to resolve that box (from thebox) to get the IP(from the box) [15:53] ok [15:54] paissad, is it neccessary to get a lease ? [15:54] Axius (~fd@92.84.15.218) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:55] sorry, i don't know what you mean mate :/ [15:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:56] lease from the box ? [15:57] paissad, your machine is configured to ask the router for it's IP and re-ask after a certain amount of time, this is useful in environments where machines coming and going all the time (i.e. your provider) but i guess you have this machine always in place and this, you may use a static (permanent) ip to solve this resolving problem [15:57] lautriv, 86400 sec iirc [15:58] lautriv, & yes, my ip is static [15:58] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:58] paissad, nope, it's dynamic btut you get always the same ( that is a difference) [15:59] lautriv, you mean my grom paissad.net ? [15:59] it's static [15:59] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:59] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:59] my ip* [16:00] paissad, not the outside..........the IP between your machine and this router, it's no problem with the IP but your default route should be 192.168.1.254 instead "somebadbox.outside" [16:01] lautriv, all my ip's are static, LAN & WAN [16:01] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:02] paissad, read your own here, line 19-> http://dpaste.com/172255/ [16:02] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:02] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [16:02] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [16:03] lautriv, oh i see [16:03] paissad, and this config makes your bad route [16:03] right ... but the router gives allways the same ip for my server resquets [16:03] i need some quick counsel regarding lin and govt use [16:03] paissad, nothing wrong with the IP, but with the additional info [16:04] lautriv, ok thx [16:04] a town local to me has had their website box cracked twice now; by the local news, i understand that they have a M#-contract for service and that this week a meeting tween the two shall occur. [16:04] suntzu im for hire [16:05] willing to travel [16:05] what i want to do is send an email to the town regarding for their breaking contract with M# and switching to linux. [16:05] paissad, try to set the line 41 (gateway) to 192.168.1.254 it MAY override this behaviour, then reboot [16:05] CcSsNET get in line :) [16:05] ;) [16:05] pls advise. [16:05] what i really want to do is send a polite curmedgeonly (google) letter [16:06] 1. wasting money and resources [16:06] hasansahin (~556bd989@gateway/web/freenode/x-weuhvobcumjgagzm) joined ##slackware. [16:06] 2. using provably insecure sw [16:06] hi [16:06] tht sorta thing [16:06] eh just do it ^ [16:06] but no ones going to give you a fix for free [16:06] can you think of anything else to add? [16:06] i'm sure they can hire the right guy themselves [16:06] or advert [16:06] ahh [16:06] SunTzu: use a public forum that will reach the people you want to reach, there are many ways to do this [16:06] i just want to seriously poke the town [16:07] phrag you missed the point of my post [16:07] ok, well this is a slackware channel. [16:07] i'm not really unknown here [16:07] suntzu, not to give respect to m$ but win7 is more secure. for now... [16:07] even if incognickod [16:07] CcSsNET theyve been cracked twice by news reports [16:08] o haha [16:08] CcSsNET, because they took BSD's network layer [16:08] heh [16:08] yea that was way back [16:08] yea, thats what i did when i heard [16:08] win2k [16:08] or prior [16:08] i'd just install slack with thttpd for read-only service :) [16:08] cgi be damned :) [16:08] plain text web :) LOL [16:09] lynx freindly [16:09] rofl [16:09] for a govt site [16:09] hire a real programmer... [16:09] web1.0 friendly [16:09] anyway im for hire.. [16:09] i'm not the boss of them for hire [16:09] i just want to intarweb-slap them [16:09] paissad, have you seen my last line ? [16:09] ull be able to find me at libreplanet this weekend in boston. [16:10] this is fla. [16:10] lautriv, yeah i did, [16:10] ahh [16:10] rain season just began [16:10] here too [16:10] k [16:10] 3 days now [16:10] had same here last week [16:10] more to come [16:10] sigh [16:11] ok so, no other advice on what to write them? [16:11] that whoever is in charge of IT decisions has no security experience. [16:11] that may be but i shouldnt comment on that directly [16:11] or is not capable of training the staff [16:11] that maybe also [16:11] no u should [16:12] i'd rather "fish" with honey instead of vinegar [16:12] i'd really like to get them to switch [16:12] well thats whats wrong with society [16:12] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:12] no ones willing to stand up and say it anymore [16:12] i'm gonna hit on the really LOW COI [16:12] this is troo [16:13] just be prepaired to replace whoever if u say it [16:13] well thank god i know how to write eloquently :) [16:13] i can insult politely :) [16:14] heh; i'm not going to offer myself; they have to find their own; besides, it's gonna cost them to break the ms contract. [16:14] lol [16:14] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:14] i like vinegar [16:15] i hate honey [16:15] they prolaby dont even have a honey-pot [16:15] wheres the whiskey? [16:15] :P [16:15] over there [16:15] Action: SunTzu points [16:15] it's over here [16:15] haha ^ [16:16] i thought ##politics had it [16:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:16] i have a few glens, one jonny and a mills [16:16] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:16] bogart [16:16] heh [16:16] in the USA yes [16:16] but not here [16:17] i'm wondering if the sysadm was stoopit and not setup webmaster@ email [16:17] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:17] sendmail sux [16:18] oh wait, it's ms; that's even worse [16:18] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] i'll hafta nslook them up [16:18] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:18] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] how much do you guys make netto a month? [16:19] that's too personal. [16:19] this much [16:19] just to compare it 2 european wages [16:19] oh ok;... [16:20] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] ------------------------>$ this much [16:20] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:20] i'll start i make 1300 euro a month but my official position is IT helper at a university [16:20] with the value of the "Federal reserve notes" in so much flux, the ratio would be temporary and meaningless [16:21] and i don't have any real diploma besides high school A2 technical stuff [16:21] the flux capacitor is broken. [16:21] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] ask next year. [16:21] hhhehee [16:21] heh [16:21] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E763A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:21] stygian (~stygian@70.134.213.117) joined ##slackware. [16:21] damn, i wanna watch those movies NOW [16:22] but for me a macbook was a huge investement [16:22] yea [16:22] apple economics are the sux here too [16:22] were the * [16:22] when i see the regular sys admin or junior sys engineer salaries in the USA [16:22] they say like [16:22] 60 - 100 k [16:23] with bsd under the hood now, and hw being off the shelf,... [16:23] yeah but they think and take care of the little things [16:23] even the adaptor is evolutionary [16:24] and it's UNIX [16:24] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: see ya! [16:24] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [16:24] CcSsNET has anyone figered out how to break geo-ip locator yet for hiding? [16:25] to promote hiding? [16:25] T3slider (~T3slider@CPE000f3d65574f-CM001225024596.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:25] or is that age done and over? [16:25] IceW (old-times@slave.gulug.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:25] i was thinking earlier that `privacy' is mere illusion now and finally. [16:26] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:26] ehh yea its called understanding security [16:26] well, some things aren't designed to be private [16:26] goarilla how about your answer? [16:26] mancha i was outside thinking about this; confine to real life only. [16:26] try to anyway :) [16:26] but your question was malformed. so therefor you dont understand [16:26] for example, irc isn't really a private venue, unless you keep the channel secret and limited to a small group where all use SSL and one of them owns the server [16:26] which answer [16:26] prolaby [16:26] either [16:27] mancha yea [16:27] geo-ip ends privacy. [16:27] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:27] nah, geo-ip does no such thing [16:27] it's makes location easy to determine [16:27] use tor [16:27] theres that [16:27] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] but setting it up isnt easy [16:27] before 3rd party geographic databases existed there still was a way to get the location of an ip [16:27] lol @ tor [16:27] it was just not centralized [16:27] i has a db which is mostley accurate [16:28] mancha sure [16:28] but the ip you got must be accurate [16:28] troo [16:28] freenet i2p or tor breaks that if [16:28] more people need to set up tor [16:28] yes [16:28] like with umm [16:28] fetch the ip in the RIR's [16:28] also hiding makes no sense unless you a) are breaking the law or b) trying avoid a repressive regime (which is a warped version of (a)) [16:28] Action: CcSsNET sighs [16:28] distrib computing [16:28] query* [16:29] heh mancha [16:29] some people use it [16:29] Immundus (obi@g225057054.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware ("signing off"). [16:29] while they could use encryption [16:30] ok ttyl [16:30] wrong tool for the job then but still [16:30] IceW (old-times@slave.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Nick change: IceW -> Guest53417 [16:31] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:32] i do hate the fact that ISP's are required to collect 2 years worth of data on their customers here in Europe [16:32] dhcp lease that is [16:32] connection times and traffic consumes [16:33] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3018F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [16:33] mancha: there are things that are not illegal, yet you wouldn't want the whole world to know about them [16:33] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:33] every politician seems to want some legislation of his own into effect, every polician want its brainchild of laws to get through [16:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:33] and i hate that [16:34] laws is getting overcomplicated and every year even more than the last year [16:34] SIGBUS_ (~gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:35] there ought to be 2 congressional bodies... one that creates laws, and another that repeals them (for every law created, an old law has to be removed) [16:35] Urchlay yes, I understand wanting to keep things private, which is why encryption is such a good thing. However, geo-location really is a different beast. I can't imagine that many cases where youd want that unless you were breaking the law [16:36] where you'd want that kept private, that is. [16:36] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31465.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:36] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-219-142.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:36] mancha: eh, suppose we get into an argument, and I decide to come over to your house and beat the crap out of you. You'd want your location kept private from me, at least [16:36] eventually everyone is gonna break some law since they are getting too impractical but when shit hits the fan it's yet another fellony on top of top or better yet another fine you HAVE to pay [16:36] laws need a rewrite. [16:37] governement: the most powerfull racket agency [16:37] no, i would just want you in jail. i wouldn't want to have to sequester myself into a life of secrecy as a result of your assault. [16:37] and corporations if attempting to get involved need punishment [16:37] so, in your example, my answer is no, i would not want to have my location become a secret. [16:37] mancha: you want the german situation where packet sniffers are illegal [16:38] hasansahin (~556bd989@gateway/web/freenode/x-weuhvobcumjgagzm) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:38] or you could get 'a paid for certificate/subscription' to allow you to sniff your own damn traffic [16:38] yes this is speculation [16:38] wtf... [16:38] laws based on ignorance gets no one anywhere... [16:38] really? I'd want the guy who wants to come to my house to be unable to find my house... saves a lot of trouble (I don't have to defend myself from him, he can't sneak into my driveway and slash the tires on my car, etc) [16:39] in fact as it turns out, i believe self-defense is cut & dried if i'm in my home so i'd even welcome your visit then i could physically punish you at will with government sanction. [16:39] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [16:39] lautriv (root@f050083134.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [16:39] is that true in the USA mancha ? [16:39] depends state [16:39] well if so i like it [16:39] I'm trying to multiboot, and when I run lilo, I get "Added OS1 * \n Added OS2" why isnt there an asterick next to OS2? [16:39] here you'll get prosecuted [16:39] just because you can legally defend yourself, doesn't mean you want to be forced to, when it could be avoided [16:40] goarilla: eh? if I come over to your house and get violent with you, the law doesn't let you get violent right back at me? [16:40] here you must help people in trouble [16:40] i have no idea Urchlay [16:40] i guess we have different views on life, urch, i do not want to have to alter my habits or in any way inconvenience myself because some lunatic or sociopath is out there. the point is he/she has to alter his.her habits, not me. and if it takes placing them into custody then that's what it takes. [16:40] s/must/sometimes/ [16:40] but you don't have [16:40] the [16:41] if you come on my propety i have the right to gun you down [16:41] which i do agree with [16:41] goarilla what state? [16:41] mancha: well, my existing habits don't include owning a bunch of weapons and/or training in unarmed combat. If someone wants to come over here and get violent, that requires me to change my habits, to deal with it... [16:41] europe [16:41] belgium :D [16:41] way to stay on topic :\ [16:41] lol [16:42] i agrea that we have a right to defence. especially on our own property. but certainly in the streets as well. [16:42] someone say something on topic, and we'll get back to the topic... [16:42] take it to ##slackware-offtopic [16:42] this convo really took a weird turn from ip geo databases [16:42] i auto join both [16:42] indeed [16:42] i blame urch and his aggressive streak [16:42] here they recommend even jewellers to not have a gun [16:42] s/aggressive/bored to tears/ [16:42] 13:39:19 < Reticenti> I'm trying to multiboot, and when I run lilo, I get "Added OS1 * \n Added OS2" why isnt there an asterick next to OS2? [16:42] v4nelle (~van@188.4.229.108.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:42] because proving your defense actions is hard [16:42] the default boot has the * [16:42] asterisk denotes the default [16:42] oh [16:42] camera is proof [16:43] pix or gtfo [16:43] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) joined ##slackware. [16:44] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC3018F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:44] yeah in an ideal worl CcSsNET but security camera's lack in picture quality [16:44] ahh true [16:44] so upgrade [16:44] and it could be 'tampered with' [16:44] lol? [16:44] yeah since the defendant [16:45] just go in with flash grenades [16:45] supplies the 'security tapes' [16:45] goarilla with that attitude just ask for a rfid implant now [16:45] phrag_ (~phrag@79-72-232-57.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:45] no never [16:45] if i want to dissappear [16:45] then buy better cameras [16:46] i want to be able to dissappear [16:46] i'm not a jeweller CcSsNET [16:46] lol :P [16:46] i'm just trying to point out how ridiculous it's over here [16:46] i wished back for the days of the wild west [16:47] so this guy stole your cattle and you shot him [16:47] society can certainly be rediculas at times. especially with this common fear the neighbor attitude media pitches to us [16:47] OK you have the right the do so ... the case is dropped [16:47] it's over regularised [16:47] and it isn't going to get better [16:48] relize we populated the planet. its over populated. everyones in everyone elses buesness. [16:48] buy a rocket [16:48] leave earth [16:48] ;) [16:48] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:48] :D [16:48] we can't regulations don't permit us to buy rockets [16:48] o true [16:48] i mean they can be used for ICBM [16:49] wait. nasa is selling a rocket on ebay! [16:49] :D [16:49] screw that regulation there breaking there own rules! [16:49] unless its obvios that rocket cant fly of course [16:50] never looked it up just heard the rumor [16:50] i want a rocket [16:50] i want to build a radio [16:50] put it on jupiter? [16:51] sure [16:51] ok [16:51] nasa is looking for "plans, and directions for the future" [16:51] but that's exactly what i'm saying everything is overregularised, so that it becomes impossible for anyone to follow the law exactly. [16:51] everyone is a criminal [16:51] exactly [16:52] which is why i say rewrite all laws [16:52] and either you pay if you get 'caught' or you get to jail for stupid stuff [16:52] a NWO is not a bad thing. if the people write the laws [16:52] just saying [16:52] true [16:52] i'm a criminal. i smoke weed and that makes me as bad as a cop killer [16:52] making the laws impossible, so everyone becomes a criminal, is a good way to start a police state... [16:52] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [16:53] urchlay, im in massachusetts. tell me about police state... hahahaha [16:53] and i lived in jersey. thats even worse [16:53] my drivers not mounted in xfce what do now [16:53] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:54] weed is sorta legal here [16:54] but it depends on the cop [16:54] mass. its tolerable. [16:54] if he wants you on the chopping block he'll get you [16:55] got a gram in one bag and one gram in another bag [16:55] thats why the people need to pay atention to who's a cop [16:55] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:55] even tho it's under the limit for personal consumption [16:55] you'll get the intent of distributing [16:55] ok enough guys, off topic please [16:55] since it seperated in 2 bags [16:55] Nick change: phrag_ -> phrag [16:55] heh [16:55] OK [16:55] sorry [16:56] thanks [16:57] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: Nao confunda liberdade com libertinagem... use Licenças GNU !! [16:58] phrag (~phrag@79-72-232-57.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Changing host [16:58] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:58] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [16:59] how do i pass arguments to the kernel in lilo? [16:59] Add them to the append line. [17:00] Reticenti: mine: append = "acpi_enforce_resources=lax usbhid.mousepoll=2" [17:00] oh, i see that now, i thought it was in a different area [17:00] or hit tab at boot: [17:00] thanks [17:01] is it possible to append to certain boots? [17:02] stygian (~stygian@70.134.213.117) left irc: Read error: No route to host [17:02] I think you can have a append line inside the kernel block. [17:04] mancha given your pro-private-protection answer to goarilla, i encourage you to join ##politics please [17:06] Nick change: SunTzu -> PurpleSmurf [17:06] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> SunTzu [17:07] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:09] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) joined ##slackware. [17:09] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:09] eelriver (~eelriver@2002:80da:7fc4:a:21b:63ff:feb7:59c) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:11] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [17:13] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:13] yes, you can have per block append lines [17:14] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:14] you can even have a general append line (for all images) and addappend lines per block [17:16] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:19] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:20] eMoparMuscle (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-nrvzazksvbztmzrt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:20] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:21] The-Croupier (~agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [17:22] greetings [17:22] http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1027360/woman-aims-to-become-worlds-fattest [17:22] In order to pay for the enormous amounts of food she is eating — her weekly grocery bill is $815 — Ms Simpson makes money by running a website where men pay to watch her consume fast food. [17:23] "I'd love to be 1000lb ... it might be hard though, running after my daughter keeps my weight down" [17:24] that's tremendously obscene [17:25] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:28] packetrat (~packetrat@adsl-75-5-72-252.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:29] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:30] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:30] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [17:31] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. 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[17:40] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:41] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] Why is my samba share listed in fstab getting mounted twice on startup? [17:44] byteframe: what do you mean it is getting mounted twice? [17:44] zaltekk, it is listed twice in the output of `mount` [17:44] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [17:44] byteframe: it says that it successfully mounted the same samba share more than once? [17:47] frennzy (~Frennzy@200-127-96-42.cab.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:47] byteframe two diff mount points? [17:47] SunTzu, no. [17:47] grep for multiple fstab lines [17:48] and for multiple uses of -a [17:48] or -tsmb [17:48] \\icarus\Datavault /mnt/Datavault cifs users,credentials=/etc/simba_cred 0 0 [17:48] ^ is my one fstab entry. [17:49] T3slider (~T3slider@CPE000f3d65574f-CM001225024596.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:49] Action: byteframe is looking at logs and the startup scripts. [17:50] hey guys, im on flux, how can i have some kind of battery lvl app showing somewhere on the screen...:( [17:50] its very annoying not to know...:( [17:50] :P [17:50] T3slider (~T3slider@CPE000f3d65574f-CM001225024596.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] ok that helps ;) [17:51] np :) [17:51] flux has a place to stick applets iirc, forgot the name of it [17:51] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:52] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:53] ang2 (~18fa10a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-dctftzfoynredhyw) joined ##slackware. [17:53] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [17:54] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [17:55] the slit [17:58] lu slit [18:00] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:01] ah yea.. don't know how I forgot about the slit [18:02] thanks guys ;) [18:03] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:03] subvhome (~substance@1-18-132-169.idt.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5569) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:04] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:04] anyone familiar with unetbootin? i have install slax to HD via unetbootin. And i get a grub error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format. Slax was installed to NTFS partition. I appreciate any feedback [18:05] slackware is not slax... [18:05] linux is linux tho and i know a couple guys here [18:05] we don't support slax here [18:06] subvhome: try with older version [18:06] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:06] its a general linux question Necos. im familiar with this channel. [18:06] older version of unetbootin? [18:07] subvhome: does unetbootin support slax directly? [18:07] I mean, in the options [18:07] or you have to manually select an iso [18:07] how can one find what the batery would be ... like /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/something :( which one is the correct one...;) how do i find out? anyone knows [18:07] i don't use unetbootin :P [18:08] not i [18:08] I manually selected the iso. Here is my setup. its UMPC OQO model 01 (old device but still works) i have windows xp on NTFS partition. i don't have wireless access in my current location to download directly from Unetbootin so im uploading via usb. [18:08] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] i was going to just install slackware but im trying to avoid another format on the old LIF drive [18:10] well, try installing slax manually [18:10] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-193.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:10] you have a drive or something with a FS more functional than FAT [18:10] anyone here using VirtualBox with USB support? [18:10] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] i thought maybe because of the NTFS partition. thought maybe fat32 would have worked but im trying to avoid a format. [18:10] and then you copy all the files of Slax in the ... NTFS.. partition [18:10] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:11] and then you, through windows, open the command prompt, navigate with cd into the folder of the slax files, then boot [18:11] and then run the bat script [18:11] it's only one [18:11] I installed the binary version of VirtualBox in order to get USB support, but when I goto Devices->USB in my VM, the USB devices are grayed out. i can't select any to enable. [18:11] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [18:11] zaltekk: maybe it's something with your groups [18:12] the easiest thing you can do is to start virtualbox as root [18:12] hmm, i guess i could try that...although i think usb devices work fine outside of VirtualBox [18:12] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [18:12] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] another thing can be: shut down your machine, go to settings -> usb [18:12] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:12] and check enable usb controller [18:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] zaltekk, SunTzu If I comment out the section in rc.inet2 that mounts the cifs shares...upon reboot the share gets mounted only once./ [18:14] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [18:14] frennzy (~Frennzy@200-127-96-42.cab.prima.net.ar) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:14] another question...how can i give reading permission to only one user of my choice? to a specific file? chown +r username /path/to/file isnt doing something [18:15] StonedSlacker (~amy@cpe-075-181-029-013.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:15] chown too [18:15] sup StonedSlacker [18:15] sorry im using chmod [18:15] sound work ? [18:15] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Ivshti: the usb controller is enabled there. [18:15] whats up trhodes! [18:16] so try running it as root [18:16] The-Croupier: chown it to the user and use something like chmod 400 (read only for this user) [18:16] Ivshti: you were correct about permissions. [18:16] nice. so does it work now? [18:17] Camarade_Tux: so somefile would be chmod 400 /path/to/file ? am i right? [18:17] Ivshti: well, it worked as root. i'll have to look into what the problem with my user's permissions is [18:17] trhodes: Nope, I havent messed with it. I've barely had my computer on for a week or two [18:17] I am in plugdev... [18:17] I remember having to chmod something in /dev in order to make this work [18:17] I'm here to day with an unusual question because nobody can screw up quite as good as me. [18:17] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [18:18] So I removed that virus known as windows 7 from a friends computer and just because I know how people are I made sure to save everything in the event the poor soul couldnt handle linux. [18:20] Somehow, I managed to make my external usb hdd, all 320 gigs, type 82....swap. I didnt even notice until a day or two later when I went to mount the drive to retrieve some of the backed up shit. [18:20] if I have two linuxs booting from lilo, do I have to put OS2's vzlinuz in OS1's /boot/OS2/vmlinuz ? [18:20] Now I need to know how to mount this huge swap drive and recover the data. [18:20] How screwed am I? [18:20] duno, did linux use it as swap ? [18:20] (at some point) [18:20] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] No, I just did the tar trick one of you guys showed me, unmounted it and tossed it aside [18:21] hmm, i would think the data is fine, then [18:21] Yeah, I'm thinking the data should be intact but I cant mount the booger. [18:22] you used it as type 82, or changed it ? [18:22] ok [18:22] Ivshti: do you remember what? i'm not seeing anything in /dev i should have different permissions on [18:22] no. try googling it [18:22] I typed 82 instead of 83 [18:22] mancha (mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [18:22] and then backed up onto it ? [18:22] I didnt catch it till a few days later when I tried to mount it -t ext3, which failed [18:23] mancha (mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) left irc: Client Quit [18:23] Correct. [18:23] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [18:23] i would have to read some on the subject [18:23] I fdisked it and deleted every partition created one huge one, type 82 then did the tar trick, unmounted and thats it [18:23] Ivshti: i've found some info about changing the permissions in /proc, but it is from quite a while ago. i'm hoping that isn't what i have to do [18:23] tar trick? [18:24] you wrote directly to the device ? [18:24] zaltekk: could be this. [18:24] mancha: One these guys showed me the mostest more gooder way to copy files instead of cp -a filefromhere tothere [18:24] I'm not sure about /dev. I remember changing permissions [18:25] Steoned, i like tar too, it's the bestest [18:25] Ivshti: it does look like /dev/xboxdrv only has rw for user but not for group(root:vboxuser), so let me test that [18:25] tar Cfz - /home/myshit|tar xzf - /newplace/myshit [18:25] nope. it's about the usb things, not vboxdrv [18:25] izza called a tar pipe Stoned [18:26] in case you wanna google [18:26] tar pipe...nice [18:26] :) [18:26] how would you write to /newplace/myshit if it isn't mountable ? [18:26] okay guys, how do I nount a swap drive without activating it's swapliness? [18:27] good point trhodes [18:27] loopback ... maybe ? (we probably need to know more) [18:27] I have no idea how this went down. I wasnt paying attention [18:27] eelriver (~eelriver@2002:80da:7fc4:a:21b:63ff:feb7:59c) joined ##slackware. [18:27] that's why I ask if it was the raw device [18:27] ok [18:27] is the command saved in history somewhere ? [18:27] I'm about to just say screw it. It's nothing but all the restore points. [18:28] Nope, not saved anywhere. Besides that computer is back with it's owner [18:28] maybe you can force mount something [18:28] ie, maybe mount is doing a sanity check [18:29] It's the type. If I can find a type to call it that it likes I believe it'll mount [18:29] i suspect, (but it's only a suspicion) that the type is change-able with no harm [18:29] I have another mount issue but I'll save that one for later lest I get sidetracked [18:29] you can just change the type can't you? [18:29] How would I do this? [18:30] i would guess so, as long as it doesn't get swapon'ed [18:30] fdisk? [18:30] fdisk [18:30] screw it, Imma try it [18:30] or cfdisk, parted, whatever [18:30] it's probably not going to break anything [18:30] here we go! [18:30] fdisk , t, part #, [18:31] click your heels together twice.. [18:32] StonedSlacker: how dod you mkfs ? [18:32] *did [18:33] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-63-131-54-26.pit.onecommunications.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] trhodes: Can't remember lol. I thought I did mkfs.ext3 but obviously not. [18:33] well, maybe you could have.. I duno, i never tried it :) [18:34] Okay, so I just changed the type and tried to mount it and it says [18:34] /dev/sda1 looks like swapspace - not mounted [18:34] mount: you must specify the filesystem type [18:34] doh! [18:34] brb fellas [18:35] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:37] Ivshti: it seems i need to add usbfs to my fstab with the plugdev gid and 664 permissions. [18:37] I may have to put this on hold. I have a minor situation to deal with, the atf is in the front yard with a tank. [18:38] zaltekk: glad you fixed this [18:38] Action: xsamurai wonders is this is why drugs and computers don't go well together ? [18:38] brb too, got a critter to tend to [18:38] coffee goes well with computing [18:38] ++ [18:39] Ivshti: well, i'm testing it. but this seems to be the general idea of how to fix it. i'll confirm in a few minutes [18:39] i got a brand new coffee pot today, and freshly ground moca beans... tasty! =) [18:39] zaltekk: anyway, if it doesn't work, try mounting /proc with those kind of permissions [18:39] ha, nice ;) [18:40] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:41] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:42] eelriver (~eelriver@2002:80da:7fc4:a:21b:63ff:feb7:59c) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:44] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:45] Nick change: mikee -> mfreenet [18:45] Like I said I am kinda busy with some other shit so plz be patient if I seem to be ignoring you. I found, by accident, that type usbfs will cause damn near anything to mount but has a really funky format. It'll just be 5 or 6 directories named 001 002 003 004 005 etc.. within each of these is the same thing, for instance if you ls the contents of the directory 001 you'll see another directory named 001, this goes 3-4 levels [18:45] deep then stops. [18:45] if i'm multibooting slack with another linux, do i need to make an initrd? [18:45] an initrd for slack [18:45] Reticenti: no.. [18:45] Not for that reason, any way [18:45] ok [18:46] I ran into this with another hdd that would not mount and eventually I found the right filesystem type and sure enough the data was there and intact. So I'mma assume I got it like that with this situation. [18:46] StonedSlacker, what does messages/dmesg say for mounting the drive before the tar pipe? [18:47] admboom: I have no clue that was done a week or more ago on a system I no longer have. [18:47] ah, never been mounted on this system, fdisk -l show a single partition type 83? [18:47] well, 82 now. lol [18:47] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::59e1) joined ##slackware. [18:48] It's 83 now, it was 82 [18:48] yea, thats what I meant. [18:49] at any rate it is one big ol 83 [18:49] Action: zaltekk sighs [18:49] hmm, it's difficult for me to help if I don't know what was done [18:49] could is have been written to a raw swap device ? [18:49] sounds like you made a backup of myshit to /newplace/myshit/ on the local fs [18:50] yeah, that's what I would think too [18:50] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:50] since it sounds like it behaved [18:50] yea if the tar pipe did not spec the raw device but a mount point/directory...? [18:50] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.121) joined ##slackware. [18:50] although if it had been to /dev/sdxx i bet it would have worked [18:51] tar likes to wimp out when you do weird stuff [18:51] (raw device usage is not weird) [18:51] Action: admboom looks around for a usb toy to destroy with tar pipes [18:51] Damn [18:51] still no usb support in virtualbox =/ [18:51] You guys make sense. [18:51] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:52] are you out of touch with the person who's data was backed up on the device ? [18:52] zaltekk: Don;t that blow? I hate it [18:52] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:52] maybe you could get an account and grep the command history (if it's important enough) [18:52] trhodes: No, they dont really care about the data anymore. [18:52] you say restore points were on it [18:52] ok [18:53] StonedSlacker: it works as root...but i'm having issues getting it to work as a user [18:53] zaltekk: group perm problem ? [18:54] Trhodes; No that wouldnt work either because I did all that using a slackware install which I then installed ubuntu, debian, slackware again, dreamlinux and finally ubuntu again. It's safe to say the command history for that session is not available :^) [18:54] haha yeah, ok [18:54] trhodes: i'm not sure. i am in plugdev. google said to add "usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=83,devmode=664 0 0" to my /etc/fstab, but that doesn't seem to fix it either [18:54] neither does using chown and chmod on /proc/bus/usb [18:54] try passing those options to the /proc entry [18:55] like procfs /proc .. devgid..blabla [18:55] I gotta bounce guys, I might be back in a few. Thanks for being my dear abby nerds [18:55] slackware monks :) [18:55] Ivshti: make the entire /proc directory writeable by plugdev? [18:55] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:55] peace [18:55] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:56] (since he said abby, i thought abbey) [18:56] trhodes, well said [18:56] StonedSlacker (~amy@cpe-075-181-029-013.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:57] ang2 (18fa10a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-dctftzfoynredhyw) left ##slackware. [18:57] 2 abbey or not 2 abbey [18:57] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [18:57] zaltekk: if this is the only way.. [18:58] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [18:58] dungeonguy (~eddie@189.107.67.37) joined ##slackware. [18:59] zaltekk: have you seen this: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23701 (sorry if it's irrelevant, i'm just posting stuff that might be) [18:59] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:59] k, nevermind, that whole thread looks like OS X stuff [19:00] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:00] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [19:00] trhodes: i read that, but didn't find anything that allowed my usb devices to be selected in VirtualBox [19:03] Ivshti: trhodes: it looks like there is also a bug introduced in 3.1.4 related to USB devices...it seems some combination of modifying /etc/fstabd and trying to work-around the USB bug in 3.1.4 allowed me to get it to use USB devices. who knows if it will work again after a reboot, though. [19:03] is there a way to have colors in slackware terminal? [19:03] thanks for the input [19:03] like colorls? [19:04] bummer about vbox [19:05] many terms allow you to specify an fg and bg color scheme [19:05] not sure what else you have in mind [19:06] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:07] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:07] The-Croupier: are you not seeing colors where you think you ought to ? [19:07] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [19:07] inc0gnito (~root@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [19:07] hi [19:07] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [19:07] mancha: sorry, i ment folders have blue color, files yellow,scripts red...etc...;) [19:08] sec0nd (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:08] mancha: stuff like that... [19:08] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:08] that is ls sending terminal color codes [19:09] which terms should respect if they do certain emultations vt100, tv220 etc [19:09] I just installed slackware64-current. How do I setup slackpkg's mirrors? [19:09] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:09] $TERM should say what is being emulated [19:09] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [19:09] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:11] trhodes: it just shows me term ;) [19:11] ? [19:11] xterm actually ;) [19:11] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:12] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [19:12] what colors should you be seeing that you aren't seeing? [19:12] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [19:13] is $LS_COLORS set ? [19:13] did you do a full slack install ? [19:13] mancha: right, being able to see green letters, on black bg, i dont mind...ive been seeing that all the time...but folders,files,...etc...being colored i would love to do [19:13] does anyone know? [19:13] trhodes: yep ;) [19:13] ok, that helps :) [19:14] printenv | grep LS_OPTIONS [19:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:14] ls colors has lots of stuff :( [19:14] trhodes: yes [19:14] Gr1nch_ (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [19:14] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:15] try this: export LS_OPTIONS="-F -b -T 0 --color=auto" [19:15] inc0gnito: sorry , i wasn't typing at you, but OK :) i'm not a slackpkg user myself [19:15] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:15] The-Croupier: you're using bash ? [19:16] yep ;) from what i remember ;) [19:16] ok, you'd know if not :) [19:16] ;) yep ;) [19:16] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [19:17] mancha: nahhh nothing ;) [19:17] try color=always [19:17] you shouldn't have to [19:17] hmm [19:17] now i just have to hope that this blackberry updater(that takes about 30 minutes to do its job) doesn't find any other issues with VirtualBox's USB support [19:17] The-Croup, i wasn't done/ [19:18] now test this please: /bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS [19:18] anyone here use slackpkg? [19:18] inc0gnito: you want to edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [19:18] mancha: nice that works fine ;) [19:18] http://www.slackpkg.org/documentation.html [19:18] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] the color=always does nothing [19:18] ok [19:18] but /bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS [19:18] The-Croup, ok, so to make this permanent for this session, do: alias ls='/bin/ls $LS_OPTIONS' [19:19] inc0gnito: uncomment a mirror for your version and arch of slackware(make sure you don't use a 32bit mirror for a 64bit installation, for example) [19:19] then plain old ls, will work as you want. [19:19] hmm, his /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh is busted [19:19] mancha: that will work after restart or ...:( [19:20] you'd have to put that into a file that gets sources on login, like a .bashrc or .bash_profile depending [19:20] The-Croupier: ls -l /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh [19:21] i want to know if it's mode a+x [19:22] (rwxr-xr-x) [19:22] or if it's even there [19:22] zaltekk: thats what i'm wondering about. Where are the 64bit mirrors in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [19:22] mancha: looks like there is none of those bash files in my home/user/ ;) [19:22] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-7-31.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:22] inc0gnito: the section headlings tell you. also, you'll see slackware64 in the mirror's path [19:22] are you sure you're listing the dotfiles too? ls -a [19:22] mancha: any other way to make that permanent? [19:22] what mancha said should get it persistent across reboots [19:22] inc0gnito: for example, slackware64-13.0 [19:23] ls -al | grep bash ;) has nothing ;) [19:23] but it shouldn't have been broken in the first place [19:23] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] okay then make a .bashrc and add my alias line [19:23] just that? [19:23] yes [19:24] anyother things i might need on that? [19:24] i wonder why his install would be messed up like that [19:24] meaning bashrc... [19:24] anything else you'd like to have aliased or done upon starting up a shell [19:24] trhodes: install messed up? you are talking about mine? [19:24] coreutils provides it [19:24] yes [19:25] it ought to "just work" (tm) [19:25] oh god [19:25] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [19:25] uh, i dd if=/dev/sda1 | ssh ip "gzip -9 fart.gz" and now i wanna put it back onto a remote server, gunzip fart.gz - | ssh ip "dd of=/dev/sda1" why is it saying out of space, isn't it gunzip'ing to stdout ? [19:25] it is just working ;) i just wanted colors ;) i got them now ;) np dont sweat it, i dont think its that big problem ;) [19:25] zaltekk: I don't see slackware64 in the path [19:26] Action: inc0gnito double checks [19:27] time to go ;) [19:27] thanks guys ;) allof you ;) [19:27] The-Croupier (agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [19:28] inc0gnito: then scroll down more [19:28] thanks zaltekk [19:28] I did a search using vim [19:28] nevermind i think i got it a diff way [19:28] inc0gnito: found it? i think 32bit mirrors are listed first [19:29] mhm [19:29] zaltekk: thanks for your help [19:29] np [19:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:30] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.227.194) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:32] this is scary. i keep having to toggle the usb device on and off in virtualbox to get it to keep updating the phone... [19:33] sec0nd (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. 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[19:45] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.4.79) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:45] but you might wanna use one anyway for some reason of yours [19:45] so where are the config files for this working x server ? [19:46] read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [19:46] where is it ? [19:46] coolkeho1 (~second@c-66-31-196-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.115.8) joined ##slackware. [19:47] inc0gnito (~root@unaffiliated/sec0nd) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:47] on the DVD/CD or any mirror [19:47] Nick change: coolkeho1 -> sec0nd [19:47] sec0nd (~second@c-66-31-196-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:47] sec0nd (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [19:48] ok i m going thx sahk0 [19:48] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:49] yht (~Yudha_HT@114.123.56.230) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:50] will sbopkg work with 64bit because it compiles from source? [19:50] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [19:50] it uses slackbuilds [19:50] Yes. [19:50] thanks [19:52] it detects your arch and sets it in the build script [19:52] automagically [19:52] thanks [19:52] Action: jkwood detects Cann0n's arch [19:52] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Bacon and cheese... hmm... [19:54] jkwood: lower... lower... lower... on top oF OLD SMOKEY! [19:54] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.29.121) joined ##slackware. [19:56] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::aaaa) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:56] Razec (1000@189-92-54-252.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:57] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::aaaa) joined ##slackware. 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[20:03] not yet :) [20:04] on every image file in geeqie I`ve got broken file image instead [20:04] debug returns: image-load.c:161: Unrecognized image file format [20:04] kowznc (znc@xchat.kowalczyk.be) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:04] when i.e. ff opens ssame file succesfully [20:05] usr_local (~usr_local@c-24-98-137-201.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:06] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] goarilla (~goarilla@101.161-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:06] in that 10.2 custom installation of yours? [20:06] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.227.194) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [20:06] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:09] fwiw geeqie makes use of new libjpeg and libpng [20:10] i guess you have updated them too, but maybe thats not enough [20:10] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:10] I have already done libjpeg and libpng [20:11] also got gtk2 2.18 [20:11] all from slackware-current [20:11] exiv2 also [20:11] LardAndSavior (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-dfxrjshxfubhudoy) joined ##slackware. [20:11] goarilla (~goarilla@91.178.157.192) joined ##slackware. [20:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:12] goarilla: u liek simon posford? [20:12] you cant really expect support with such a custom system. and what you have upgraded is less interesting than what you havent [20:13] but Slackware isn`t windows ... after new release I hav eto reainstall entire system :( [20:14] yes but you have to upgrade the whole system. especially if you ask other people questions and expect to get an answer [20:14] O.o [20:16] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4134, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-15 04:15:14 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [20:17] razel (~rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:19] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:19] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.227.194) joined ##slackware. [20:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Action: nachox starts playing with snort [20:24] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:24] have fun [20:25] i doubt i will [20:25] i think i need unixfool to teach me some of the basics :P [20:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:26] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [20:26] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [20:27] kowznc (znc@xchat.kowalczyk.be) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [20:28] how was the first day at work phrag? i hope you're doing fine [20:28] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] nachox: in case you're interested and while you wait for unixfool, dragora.org is up again [20:30] speaking of 100% free argentinian distros :p [20:30] i couldnt care less about 100% [20:31] if it works better its paid, and i have the money and a justification to pay, then i'll use that [20:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:32] it doesnt have the same stuff it had before though, anyway [20:34] sahko: i think it was you some time ago recommended me ck4up, to keep track of soft updates. it works nicely [20:34] retro discussion time:) [20:34] dungeonguy: probably me yeah [20:34] sahko: yeah, thank :) [20:35] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:38] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. 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[20:47] mancha: sorry, i missed the part about xterm above :S [20:49] problem solved [20:49] those with geeqie [20:50] I didn`t have shared-mime-info-0.70-i486-2.txz package [20:50] but what is funny with this issue, gqview works fine until gtk2 updated [20:50] after update also gqview got that issue [20:51] it looks like new gtk needs shared-mime-info to properly work [20:52] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] trhodes, what? [20:55] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [20:55] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Stx_ (stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [21:06] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Ping timeout: 630 seconds [21:08] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68.113.105.67) joined ##slackware. [21:08] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-63-131-54-26.pit.onecommunications.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:11] jkwood: Perhaps privmsg me so it doesn't get lost, but go ahead. 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[21:33] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:34] evening slackers :-) [21:35] evening [21:35] do i get a cookie? [21:35] sure, ok [21:35] Action: macavity hands edman007 a cookie [21:36] \o/ [21:36] edman007: do you have coockies enabled? [21:36] cookies* [21:36] only for sites i view [21:36] err view directly [21:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:37] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [21:37] dang... i have this... cookie in the shape of a horse... [21:37] animal cracker? [21:37] lee555J5, they are COOCKIES!!!!!!! [21:37] Action: edman007 bashes lee555J5 with $_COOKIES [21:37] Razec (1000@189-92-54-252.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:38] whatever [21:38] no, it's from an Ancient city ca//ed Troy [21:38] i'll ca// it whatever i want [21:38] lol [21:38] eliphantpotamia [21:38] I wi// as we// [21:38] l and / are nex to each other. i tend to hit one or the other [21:38] err elaphantpotamia [21:39] it happens [21:39] fbzrgvzrf v uvg yrggref gung ner bss ol 13 [21:40] only on days that end in Y [21:40] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [21:40] omg, me too! [21:41] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:41] three times? jeez! [21:41] Action: edman007 waits for "fuddlepuddle" to become a day [21:41] i'm so there... i have my green rain boots on standby [21:42] also, i did my census stuff today :) [21:42] \o/ [21:42] now I exist!! [21:42] anyone tried alienBOB's KDE SC 4.4.1 packages? [21:43] or tried 4.4 in general [21:43] i hate 'k' [21:43] how different is it from 4.3 in terms of UI? [21:43] macavity: I have, 4.4.1, overall, you won't notice many diferences wrt ui. [21:44] fire|bird: excelent.. any prominent annoyances fixed? [21:44] K is too close to a M for me to like... [21:45] macavity: for example, the Add Widgets is now a strip across the bottom of the screen when you open it, just above the panel, instead of it's own window. [21:45] macavity: Well, I haven't had any issues with it here, no annoyances or anything. [21:45] fire|bird: ok.. charlotte wont *ever* notice that :P [21:45] spetacularly :-) [21:46] Action: macavity invokes fire|spell [21:46] uh oh, don't get me started. :P [21:46] Action: edman007 hits fire|bird with water [21:47] i know the grammer is wrong.. thats on purpose.. but looks wrong :P [21:47] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:48] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:48] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [21:48] hmm [21:49] who wants coffee? we haz french press of mildly roasted java/collumbia :-) [21:49] i want som [21:49] Action: macavity pours Cann0n a cup [21:49] hyke (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:50] macavity: yo! [21:50] a cup of cocaine?!?! [21:50] BP{k}, yo [21:50] \o edman007 [21:50] BP{k}: da [21:50] fire|bird, i already hit you [21:50] Action: fire|bird kicks edman007 [21:51] :( [21:51] not nice [21:51] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:51] eyes for an eye, teeth for a tooth [21:52] eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth [21:52] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::59e1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:52] fire|bird: no... that gives status quo ;-) [21:52] lol [21:52] fire|bird: total retaliation is the way forth.. just look at how all the super powers (and drug syndicates) do it! [21:53] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] "you raise the price of oil, we run a nation wide scare mongering campagne and bomb your silly little country back to the stone age (oh, and "obtain" your oil)" ;-) [21:55] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:55] don't raise the price of oil ten [21:55] *then [21:55] exactly :-) [21:56] macavity: that sounded like ##slackware-offtopic talk. ;) [21:57] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:57] oh well... /w epicfail ;-) [21:57] hehe [21:57] Action: brbrbr warmly greet everyone :P [21:57] btw, i found a store that sells nitromethane :-D [21:58] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:58] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:00] Razec (1000@189-92-54-252.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:02] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:04] isn't my system's hostname suppose to be determined through /etc/hosts? [22:05] le_prof (~le_prof@dslc54.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:05] for some reason my laptop keeps being renamed back to darkstar [22:05] but this doesn't happen on my other systems [22:05] and i can't figure out what is different [22:07] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:08] zaltekk: no, it is in /etc/HOSTNAME [22:09] doh, i had though about that, but put it in /etc/hostname instead... [22:09] lol =/ [22:09] zaltekk: the hosts file is a relic [22:09] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-16.temp.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:09] zaltekk: or for lazy people with small networks who wont bother setting up a local DNS (but apparently bother to keep the host file in sync across multiple machines) [22:10] right [22:10] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-122-218.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] heya,folks [22:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:12] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-16.temp.uevora.pt) left irc: Client Quit [22:12] le_prof (~le_prof@dslc54.ody.ca) left irc: Quit: le_prof [22:17] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [22:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:18] ColdWired (~thas@c-174-53-2-91.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: [22:19] ok, have any of you developed stuff to use the kernels [22:19] lsm? [22:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:22] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] why is it when you wanna spend monies on parts, you dont know what to buy [22:24] jeev: I've never had that problem [22:24] I know what I want to buy [22:24] buy more monitors [22:24] i have a 28" [22:25] why buy more [22:25] so you can have two 28" [22:25] duh [22:25] i want to buy a NAS [22:25] but i dont wanna waste money on that shit, i can build it [22:25] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [22:25] but i dont wanna build it [22:25] then buy it [22:26] next [22:26] too funny [22:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:28] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:28] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Changing host [22:28] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. 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[23:21] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [23:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.127.214) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:23] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:23] dungeonguy (eddie@189.107.67.37) left ##slackware. [23:23] hallstatt_sword (~eddie@189.107.67.37) joined ##slackware. [23:25] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:26] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:27] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:27] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:27] what special tool(s) do you use personally in order to convert text files to html ones ? [23:28] sed [23:28] you're really motivated ^^ [23:28] lol [23:28] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [23:29] txt2tags? [23:30] s/motivated/insane/ [23:30] lool [23:30] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [23:30] txt2tags -t html myfile.txt [23:31] echo '' `cat file` '' ? [23:31] 8) [23:31] spider1010 (~spider@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:32] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:34] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:35] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [23:38] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:38] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:39] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:39] mancha, txt2tags is great among great :) [23:39] thx [23:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] no problem paissad - enjoy [23:42] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.90.164) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:42] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:43] paissad,there's a couple programs(Amaya and Bluefish) you can use for further editing of html pages that have slackbuilds [23:43] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:43] MLanden, ok thx [23:44] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [23:44] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:45] but txt2tags' really handy on the fly [23:46] obnauticus_ (~obnauticu@c-71-236-128-26.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: [23:48] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:54] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [23:57] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Mar 16 2010