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[00:44] hi all im confused [00:44] i guess the debian openssl fiasco is a pretty huge example, but i don't know of any other instances offhand of that happening [00:44] hey macman [00:44] hello [00:44] hey [00:45] probably not [00:45] i can have 4 primary paritiions right ? [00:45] i'm just making fun of the old school redhat with their choice of wuftpd and all that other juicy stuff that'd get rooted all the time [00:45] macman: yes [00:45] how many logical and extended parittions can i have and if so how can i boot from them ? [00:46] ? [00:47] any or all of your 4 primary partitions can be extended partitions, inside of which you can create a bunch of logical partitions.. but I dunno the limit of logical partitions per extended [00:47] odds are, whatever the limit is, it's way more partitions than you actually need [00:47] can you boot a extended or logical partition ? [00:48] sort-of. You install LILO to the MBR, and LILO can boot a logical partition [00:50] hr. I just told you wrong. Only one of your 4 primaries may be an extended. [00:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_partition [00:50] anyone using ffmpeg slackbuild? [00:50] when compiling I get this [00:50] Hey Urchlay, how are you? [00:50] libavcodec.so: undefined reference to `speex_header_free' [00:50] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [00:50] hey firebird619 [00:51] it's trying to link to that library.. you have the wrong version of libavcodec installed? [00:51] or older version [00:52] juice: Did you install all the dependencies listed? [00:53] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:53] err, libavcodec is part of ffmpeg [00:53] could it be speex he's missing, that's also a dep? [00:53] firebird619, yes I believe so [00:53] looks like it wants to link to speex, which IIRC isn't really needed for ffmpeg (isn't it a speech synth type of codec?) [00:53] i have speex [00:53] but I might reinstall it [00:54] try adding --disable-speex or --without-speex in the configure command in ffmpeg.SlackBuild [00:54] I severely doubt you'll ever miss it [00:54] yeah I was thinking that too [00:54] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:55] yep seems I need the newer version [00:55] found a post [00:56] where 1.0.5 gets the error but not 1.2rc1 [00:56] so I'll just upgrade [00:57] seriously man, unless you're doing something specifically using speex, you don't need it to be supported in ffmpeg [00:58] i never know [00:58] I want it just in case but your probably right [00:59] the 30 seconds it takes to build and upgrade isn't a big deal [01:01] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:02] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. 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[01:25] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.10.18) left irc: "leaving" [01:25] firebird619, that is sucks, use postfix if you are actually trying to do something that will work and handle email, sendmail is when you want to hack stuff up (because it is always installed), and sendmail is good when you want to kill an admin [01:26] :O [01:26] you use postfix? [01:27] hello, does slackpkg check the dependencies while installing new packages? [01:27] yea [01:27] esom: no [01:27] esom, well it just offloads it to you [01:28] edman007: Hmm, ok. Know of any good tutorials for that? [01:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] aside from this being arch and it using dovecot also, would this work: http://www.howtoforge.org/arch-linux-mailserver-with-postfix-and-dovecot [01:31] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] OT...... can someone point me to an appropriate ssh channel? [01:38] _marc` (n=marc@port-87-234-81-88.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [01:38] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:39] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:42] i just installed mythtv on slackware running frontend, watching tv on my ubuntu backend =) [01:43] i meant watching tv on slackware frontend [01:43] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:45] Action: edman007 uses his desktop as the backend and usually the mac or ubuntu for the frontend (since the slack box does not have video drivers or headphones/speakers that are good for TV watching) [01:46] edman007: you have a mac? [01:46] you know... "ubuntu" sounds like the name of one of those Nigerian "princes" who keep sending you spam [01:47] haha [01:47] "Hello, I am Dr. N'Bele Ubuntu and I need to get $15 million out of Nigeria..." [01:47] lol.. i just hid another 7million in funds [01:48] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "leaving" [01:48] firebird619, yea, my laptop [01:48] basically in my dorm i use the laptop for myth because the headphone jack is easy to reach [01:48] <-- waits patiently on his check [01:49] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [01:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:51] Caivax (n=unknown@unaffiliated/caivax) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:53] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [01:55] Hi all. Does anyone here happens to know a open source fft audio transform??? [01:57] Jsonic: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/fftw/ [01:58] I have that library installed, I tried to build my own software without success, that's why I need a example to follow [01:59] have you looked at http://www.fftw.org/ yet? [02:00] note that those docs don't make much sense to me because I barely know any math, but it looks like they're pretty detailed at least [02:00] yes. Ive read the whole manual [02:01] Its is not a math problem. I totally understand the math concept. The problem is the programming structure [02:01] so what issues are you having? [02:01] your code compiles but won't link? or it won't even compile? [02:03] First I cant figure out how to capture a sound from alsa and how to create vectors to have the sound streaming flowing through [02:03] ehmmm. What are you actually trying to do? (your ultimate/high-level goal I mean?) [02:03] I found a tool called gstreamer. Its pretty easy to handle, but I get stuck in the same problem. How to manipulate its buffers to use with the fftw library [02:04] Ok [02:04] I need a application that reads a sound from a microphone input and realize the fft transformation. I need the results on screen. [02:05] Ive found a perfect example [02:05] any reason you can't use an already-existing app? [02:05] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:05] (I mean, are you required to write it yourself because it's a homework assignment or something?) [02:06] Its a research [02:06] OK, so the purpose isn't just "have a program that does X", it's "learn how X works by writing a program that does X", then? [02:07] Iam gonna start a AI project, neural system implementations and I need those results from a audio input to start my work [02:07] Exacly [02:08] Its a secondary objective, but yes, I need to learn how it works [02:08] I read a couple of manual and tried to implement myself... [02:08] if your problem was compiling/linking failures, I'm pretty good at fixing those [02:09] I get segmentation fault all the time. I know that is smth related with the buffers, but I can't figure out what it is [02:09] if it's that you don't know how to write the code, eh, I don't know how either (I could learn, but so could you...) [02:09] hm. How big is your program? [02:09] (source code I mean) [02:09] that's kind of personal! [02:10] just a couple of lines.. I'm using a couple of libraries to do the job [02:10] pastebin it somewhere? [02:10] Right, Just a sec. [02:10] is OK, about to grab a snack of some kind. back in 10 mins or so. [02:14] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:14] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:14] _marc` (n=marc@port-87-234-81-88.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:15] esom (n=enigma@222.172.214.219) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:18] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:19] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [02:20] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [02:20] hm, where'd he go? [02:22] looks like he quit. [02:22] farabi (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [02:22] Hello, [02:22] hello [02:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:23] is it possible to installe the 12.2 from hdd ? [02:23] yes [02:23] Urchlay: after mounting the iso or directly? [02:23] as long as you understand that the partition you're installing from, can't be the same partition you install to [02:24] you can just copy the contents of the iso into a directory on your drive [02:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:24] the slackware/ directory. [02:25] ok, an then ? do I need any cd to boot? [02:25] it helps, yeah [02:25] ok, thanks a lot Urchlay [02:25] you used to be able to boot from floppies, these days I think you can boot from USB, but I'm not the expert on that subject... [02:26] Yes I have an usb pendrive, and I can boot a lot of distros from it. [02:27] however... have a look here: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers [02:27] I just now downloading the slackware 12.2 :) [02:27] great, of course I'll read this page [02:29] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-156-153.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] the iso you're downloading should contain that stuff too, but this way you get to read it before the download finishes [02:29] anyone know if there is a slackpkg for kTorrent?? [02:29] they dont seem to have it on SBo [02:29] the page above it is exactly what I need to know, thanks again Urchlay [02:31] beatzz: it's in extra/ on your install DVD, or here: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/extra/ [02:31] there's no SBo package because it's actually in Slackware extra/ [02:32] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:32] helloo helloo helloo [02:32] hows it going today?... [02:32] The-Croupier: Hey. All is well here, how about you? [02:33] firebird619, not bad not bad considering its friday...;) [02:33] beep beep [02:33] i love fridays...cos i can go to the beach after work..and come back sunday night ;) [02:33] nix_chix0r, beep back ;) [02:33] hey nix_chix0r. How are you? [02:33] beee-beee-beeee-brrrrrrrr *DING DING* shhhhhhhh [02:34] wewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewewe [02:34] i love my job.......oh man [02:34] nix_chix0r, you a stripper? :) [02:34] Action: The-Croupier hides [02:34] Urchlay: you driving a car or riding a bike. :P [02:35] fark no The-Croupier i have a bomb ass job [02:35] firebird619: that was supposed to be an ASCII impression of a 56K modem connecting... [02:35] firebird619, i got to meet the CEO of the company today and we chit chatted for 2hours and i got paid for it:) [02:35] nix_chix0r, .... [02:35] The-Croupier, i work for a disability /social security company [02:35] better version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgqEIp2YmtE [02:35] they hire us to win their social security cases [02:36] so you are some kind of lawer [02:36] non lawyer representative/clerk [02:36] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.130.110) joined ##slackware. [02:36] we have lawyers [02:36] Urchlay, thanks, that site is awsome [02:37] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-156-153.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "peace" [02:37] firebird619, i missed the baby rolling from his stomach onto his back today he did it for the sitter and was trying to crawl:( [02:40] nix_chix0r: next thing you know, he'll want to borrow the car... [02:40] (eh, or she... I disremember which) [02:40] nix_chix0r: to bad you missed that. [02:40] hell no he can buy his car at 16 [02:41] a shit box even [02:41] Urchlay, awsome man ;) [02:41] whatever cheap car he gets when he's 16, make sure you refer to it as a "jalopy" [02:41] lol [02:41] ha [02:41] any one off the top of their head know how to untar a .bz2 [02:42] for some reason ice weasle is failure with some sites because it's not truly firefox [02:42] you mean... tar xvf file.tar.bz2? [02:42] yeah [02:42] eh, very surprised you don't already know that :( [02:42] tar -xjf [02:43] in slack 12 and up, the j isn't needed (tar's smart enough to figure it out on its own) [02:43] nix_chix0r, you fail [02:43] Urchlay, long day [02:43] i'm losing my touch [02:43] ahhh old habits and long bad day [02:43] probly all that's needed is to install whatever the extension is called that sets your User-agent atring, and set it to whatever firefox actually uses [02:43] it's even sadder when i have to ask the hubby how to do shit in the file manager cause i cant remember and i taught him [02:44] Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) <--- very generic user agent string [02:44] Hey Rat409. How are you? [02:44] nix_chix0r: that's not good, you're really losing your touch. :P [02:45] nix_chix0r: your baby ingested your brain while he was inside you, so now he knows all the stuff you used to know? [02:45] Urchlay: It's User Agent Switcher [02:45] he's turning into a elitist i think... he refuses to do anything that doesn't involve the terminal [02:45] haha, nice. [02:45] Urchlay, he probally could recompile my kernel [02:45] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 [02:46] firebird619: cool. I pasted that user-agent out of my /etc/wgetrc, never needed to change it in the actual browser [02:47] Urchlay, you think ffmpeg or avidemux works better? [02:47] I haven't either, but I have that installed and have an xml file for it that has a whole bunch of user agent strings. I use opera though so I don't really use them. [02:47] nix_chix0r: add this to your .bashrc http://pastebin.ca/1423440 [02:48] kk [02:48] then its extract foo.file-format [02:48] juice: for what exactly? [02:48] for any suppted archives [02:48] making some vcd's [02:49] for plain old playback I use mplayer (which includes its own ffmpeg library) [02:49] for making vcds... I've never done that, so I dunno :) [02:49] that file doesn't want to exctract [02:49] okay guess I will try both [02:49] wtf am i doing [02:49] Rat409: that's nice. that'll work in zsh as well woudln't it. [02:49] and see which ones seems faster/better if they play in the dvd player [02:49] lol [02:50] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:50] nix_chix0r: stop, take a deep breath, relax, and think. :P [02:50] not sure it should [02:50] my brains are fried i think [02:50] so many options for encoding and decoding, [02:50] Rat409: I would think it would, it doesn't really use anything bash specific I don't think. [02:50] yuh its really just alias's [02:50] juice: I've made video DVDs with transcode before... and k9copy is pretty nice if you're trying to squish a commercial DVD-9 so it'll fit on a 4.7M blank DVD-R [02:50] guess just have to try them all and see what ones gives you your desired results [02:51] isnt it just tar xvjf file.bz2? [02:51] Rat409: yeah [02:51] nix_chix0r: yes [02:51] Urchlay, yeah I had dvd::rip working with everything at one time [02:51] even though I never used it [02:51] keeps saying it's corrupt.. weird [02:51] i just saw the k9copy tonight [02:51] nix_chix0r: maybe it actually is corrupt? [02:51] it seemed nice [02:51] this sucks haha [02:52] nix_chix0r: if not try bunzip2 foo.bz2 [02:52] i have like limited bandwidth [02:52] took ages to download it [02:52] and it's broken [02:52] check file perms [02:52] can't hurt [02:52] yeah there are just so many apps that all do the samething [02:53] oh i guess it extracted to a folder but it had errors [02:53] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:53] if its timestamp errors,probly fine [02:54] Rat409: yup, that works in zsh too. [02:54] cool :) [02:54] that's a nice alias to have. [02:54] hey if I have program foo which says no bar.so library how do I check where it looks for it ? [02:54] yuh,not orig been floating around arch,gentoo forums for a while [02:55] hmm if I made symbolic link for library should I reload something [02:55] what I *really* wish is that unzip, tar, and friends were smart enough to notice "oh, this archive has no top-level directory, I'd better create one" [02:55] paul424: problu /usr/lib [02:55] paul424: /sbin/ldconfig [02:55] Urchlay: +1 :) that would be great. [02:56] Rat409: yeap ldconfig ... I knew it :P thanks [02:56] it's exceptionally annoying if it's a tar archive that contains ./ as a mode 0700 or 0500 directory [02:57] Action: CaptObviousman is starting to get the impression that Thunar sucks for copying files [02:57] hmm symbolic == soft link ? err how do I make hard links .. ln - s ? [02:57] which, as a file manager, is stupid because that's its main purpose [02:58] CaptObviousman: tried pcmanfm? [02:58] symbolic is ln -s file-to-link-to file-path-link-name [02:58] paul424: "ln" without the "-s" makes hard links. I seriously doubt you want to do that for library problems though. [03:03] pcmanfm is good but no custom actions like thunar,but tabs mc/lfm/ cp -r are hard to be but konqy/krusader/worker/gentoo lots of choices [03:03] be/beat duh [03:10] well time to crash,starting to nod. be well everyone,night [03:10] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@i577B6833.versanet.de) joined ##slackware. [03:13] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [03:13] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:14] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Java user signed off" [03:17] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. 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[03:43] hey _RadioHead [03:44] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: :)you end back here again :) [03:44] some weird typo I made, made irssi switch windows [03:44] *shrug* [03:46] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) left ##slackware. [03:48] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [03:48] <_RadioHead> :) [03:49] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@ip-118-90-53-52.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:49] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:53] there we go ffmpeg much better [03:53] lot better quality and fullscreen [03:53] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@ip-118-90-53-52.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left ##slackware. [03:53] using the pal-vcd format [03:57] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:57] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.87) left irc: "Leaving" [03:58] you're in a PAL country I take it? [03:59] am in the US, I have at least one DVD player that can't figure out how to play PAL-format DVDs, even if they're not region-coded [04:00] crap [04:00] true I should have used ntsc [04:00] i am half sleep [04:00] oh well my dvd player is playing it [04:00] :) [04:00] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:01] i knew pal was wrong but it didn't click [04:01] if your player will play either, you should use the same TV standard as the original had [04:01] yeah [04:01] some dumb programs do conversions by just duplicating or dropping frames with no interpolation, the end result gives me a headache [04:02] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [04:03] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.87) joined ##slackware. [04:04] yeah default is pal too go figure I going to burn another copy and see if it better [04:04] with the proper one [04:04] I once wrote a fancy transcode script that would turn PAL video into 24fps progressive NTSC by slowing it down, including stretching out the audio [04:05] the end result was perfectly watchable... someone with perfect pitch might have noticed the music wasn't in concert pitch any more [04:05] but it turned out to be a waste of time: the DVD player I actually wanted to use the DVD in, could play PAL just fine [04:06] aww [04:07] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Yo, fellow Slackers! [04:07] was even more of a waste of time later, I found a boxed DVD set of the entire series (Red Dwarf) in NTSC, including menus [04:08] er, hi [04:09] Well, hello to you too. [04:09] :p [04:09] Action: elderK sits, ponders. Lights up. [04:09] so what's fun & exciting in your world this... evening? morning? [04:09] Evenin' [04:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:09] And, not all that much. [04:09] Just got home :) [04:10] So, :P enjoying thy cigarette... [04:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:10] and, then, clean a little... [04:10] then code, code, code. [04:10] or read Dune. [04:10] Probably code and listen to GNR. [04:10] :) [04:10] hmmm, tough call. Dune's pretty good, you know [04:10] It is! I'm enjoying it massively. [04:10] Seriously, I didn't know Paul was such a hard ass. [04:10] :P [04:11] Likewise, only in the past week have I discovered GNR. [04:11] and Velvet Revolver. [04:11] reading which, the first book, called just plain "Dune"? [04:11] Also enjoying them a lot, too. [04:11] Yup, Frank Herbert's Dune. [04:11] Lent to me by a friend. [04:11] :) He wants to give me the prequels next. [04:11] I'm looking forward to learning more about how Baron Harkonnen became as he is, [04:11] I could recommend *not* bothering to read any of the ones written by brian herbert and kevin anderson [04:11] and the Bene Gesserit [04:11] Oh, really? [04:12] yeah, the prequels are written with none of the depth and subtlety of the real ones [04:12] ^_^ Seriously, man, I think the Bene Gesserit are really, really cool. [04:12] they're like action stories, like star wars novels [04:12] (not surprising: anderson is a star wars novelist, and brian herbert didn't actually do any writing) [04:13] Just got up to the part in the first novel now, where Paul defeated Jamis - and they held his funeral in a giant Windtrap! :) [04:13] "I was a friend of Jamis"... [04:13] Last page, iirc, had the Baron talking privately to some imperial Count. [04:13] Haha, yeah. [04:13] I'd feel like a read asshole saying that, right after killing the guy [04:13] He taught me that when you kill, you pay. [04:13] Yeah, me too. [04:13] But you can totally tell that was how he felt, [04:13] Unsure and such [04:13] I love the sense of destiny in the book. [04:13] :) [04:14] Also love the world is allows me to see :D [04:14] Like, I don't often read novels, mostly technical documentation, datasheets and what not, [04:14] but, man [04:14] every time I read a story, [04:14] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [04:14] I love it,. [04:14] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:14] yeah, the world of Dune is at least as detailed as the world of Lord of the Rings [04:14] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:14] heh [04:14] ^_^ [04:14] you missed what I said I think... [04:14] Like, I could see the Baron watching the artillery fall on the Duke's men. [04:14] "yeah, the world of Dune is at least as detailed as the world of Lord of the Rings" [04:15] the Baron is one scary mofo [04:15] I've never had much motivation to read Lord of the Rings. Personally, I feel the movies were overrated. I fell asleep in every one... [04:15] completely insane, but smart [04:15] Aye. [04:16] I keep wanting to like, read up online about the rest of hte story, but I resist! [04:16] :D [04:16] Because, reading the book, [04:16] It takes you to Arrakis :D [04:16] bzip2 or gzip for MPŁ? [04:16] MP3 [04:16] I'd say bz2. [04:16] lzma even [04:16] :P [04:16] neither [04:16] just realised i can do both and compare [04:16] mp3 is already compressed [04:17] Aye. [04:17] yeah.. but -since im tarring [04:17] Why? More than one mp3? [04:17] so all the compression algorithms run slowly on mp3s, and often don't shrink the files at all (or even make them bigger) [04:17] Seriously Zordrak, check out lztools or whatever. [04:17] tar.lzma is often better than tar.bz2, and beats the crap out of .tgz [04:18] which is it you're supposed to actually use now? lzma or xz? [04:18] xz, I think. [04:18] (one just shows up as "data", the other has magic bytes for "file" to recognize) [04:18] Aye. [04:18] does gnu tar include support for either of them or do i have to two-step it? [04:18] Think xz is the one with the magic voodoo :p. [04:19] gnu tar supports gz, bz2. [04:19] nothing so much fun as downloading a file and having it show up as "data"... gee, that's ever so useful :) [04:19] but you'd have to two step lzma, unless you piped it. [04:19] recent versions of tar support lzma/xz, I think the one in -current does [04:19] or "--use-compression-program" [04:19] or whatever it is [04:19] --long-ass-option-name [04:19] :P I'm too lazy to type that [04:19] Urchlay: rully [04:19] ? [04:20] :P Just get tar to send out ot stdout, then pipe it to lzma :P [04:20] Man, GNR rules. [04:20] Zordrak: really... I went & looked at the GNU tar changelog the other day [04:20] Can't believe I ignored them for so long. [04:20] elderK: which album? [04:20] Use your illusion II [04:20] ^_^ I listened to them all weekend, [04:20] :P Now own all of their albums legitimately. [04:20] to be completely honest the only G&R album I really ever got into was the first one [04:20] Decided I'd become a convert. [04:20] Was an expensive day. [04:20] er, what's it called, with "welcome to the jungle" on it [04:20] Appetite for Destruction. [04:20] yeah [04:20] lol [04:20] It's a good album. [04:20] Im wearing that T-shirt right now! [04:21] that was new when I was at the right age to really like it [04:21] Chinese Democracy is pretty nice, imho. [04:21] i swear [04:21] hahaha, Zordrak, I was going to buy that today! [04:21] Instead decided to buy Velvet Revolver album. [04:21] Since, they are meant to be GNRish and, from a few tunes I heard on Last.fm, they seemed cool. [04:21] Oh and hey, [04:21] ;) [04:21] If you guys are keen, I have a link for you. [04:21] ;) [04:22] a link to a what? [04:22] You may find something you like there :) [04:22] Urchlay: hmmm... i will look into it.. but im runningc current and theres nothing in tar's man about xz or lzma [04:22] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.87) left irc: "leaving" [04:22] afaik, this should be alive. [04:22] ftp://122.57.247.10 [04:22] :) [04:22] anonymous login. [04:22] ^_^ [04:22] Zordrak: well the man page isn't part of the GNU tar distribution, it's maintained separately and maybe just hasn't been updated [04:22] Urchlay: oic [04:22] ;) Music, Urchlay. Much, much music. [04:23] Check out Velvet revolver if you wish :D [04:23] I recently upgraded my band :D [04:23] Upstream should be reasonable. [04:23] Urchlay: bingo [04:23] tar --xz [04:23] ty [04:23] Zordrak: What version of gtar? [04:24] hmm [04:24] or not [04:24] damnnit [04:24] my bad [04:24] http://tukaani.org/lzma/download [04:24] :) [04:25] what do you normally xz with? [04:25] theres no bin called xz [04:25] tar :P [04:25] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:26] ahah [04:26] -J reassigned to xz [04:26] I usually use lzma, the program. [04:26] im being very slow this morning [04:27] im sshd into a 12.2 box [04:27] duh! [04:27] donnozit (n=dumbo@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [04:28] I can remember admin'ing a bunch of various distros a long time ago... there were 3 different tar options for .bz2 files (-j, -y, -I), and no way in hell to remember which option to use on any given box [04:28] moral of the story might be "don't install 10 different distros if you need 10 servers" [04:28] Urchlay: tell me about it.. i still admin Solaris 7 [04:28] ouch [04:28] with a mix of 2002 GNU tools added on [04:29] yeah, you'll go nuts without 'em [04:29] ls != /bin/ls [04:29] lz -co | lzma -9 -c > bla.tlz [04:29] P [04:29] :P [04:29] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.58) joined ##slackware. [04:29] somewhere if I still have it, there's a hard drive with an install of sol7 + gnu tools + stuff like windowmaker [04:29] s/^lz/tar/ [04:30] Urchlay: KIWF!!! [04:30] :( I have a sick Sparc. [04:30] :( [04:30] elderK: thats a good thing [04:30] Can't track down a cheap SCSI hard disk. [04:30] excuse to replace [04:30] Ultra-!. [04:30] :P I bought it to play with the SPARC architecture. [04:30] Haven't had it running since I boughti t :/ [04:31] werent Ultra1s IDE? [04:31] Nope? [04:31] Weird proprietary connector. [04:31] I'm considering net booting the machine :P [04:31] Action: Zordrak has an Ultra10 next to him.. but only one Ultra1 in a server room [04:31] Into some small UNIX. [04:31] Since, I can't find any SCSI aorund my area, [04:31] and I'm not rich, [04:31] I think netbooting should allow me to at least do a litlte palying. [04:31] :) [04:33] Do you guys think it would work? [04:33] ought to [04:34] And hey, Zordrak, Urchlay, did you find anything on the server you like? [04:34] agggh. Fail. Who the hell writes a game whose config file doesn't support colon-separated paths for searching for game data files? [04:34] elderK: never [04:34] I mean on mine :P Not the SPARc. [04:34] On the ftp :) [04:34] elderK: buh? [04:34] going to listen to some of your velvet revolver, never heard them before [04:34] ;) scroll up, you'll see it [04:35] Their first album is pretty sweet. [04:35] which is called what? [04:35] Haven't listened to Libertad in detail yet. [04:35] Contraband [04:35] :) [04:35] MenDan1 (n=ywf@61.175.172.102) joined ##slackware. [04:35] nice name [04:35] ^_^ [04:36] See, I'm setting up a small host lately. [04:36] i have abouh 70% of it.. just looking at the rest [04:36] For like, Mercurial and wahtnot. [04:36] Puscifer is kind of cool if you don't mind the weird names :P [04:36] But the music rules. [04:36] Maynard, rules. [04:36] tgf youtube [04:36] try before you dont buy [04:37] Still trying to decide what I think about KMFDM. [04:37] Got those albums through some friends. [04:37] ASHES dIVIDE is also kind of a Tool-offshot. They're not bad. [04:37] looking at them now [04:37] heh. I used to date this girl name of "Melody", once she asked me "What does KMFDM stand for?" and I told her "Kill Melody For Drug Money!" [04:37] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:38] for a minute she even believed me... [04:38] You can find Korn and such, in Unorganized. [04:38] Anywho, enough of my rambling. [04:38] More cigarettes. [04:38] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [04:38] :P [04:38] HAHAHAHAAHAH [04:38] :D [04:38] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:38] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Afaik, it stands for no mercy for the mases, or something. [04:38] haha [04:38] :) [04:38] I head "kill mother fucking depeche mode" [04:38] s/head/heard/ [04:38] Yeah :D [04:39] speakin of cigarettes... brb [04:39] Depeche Mode have a couple good songs. [04:39] :P Enjoy [04:40] MenDan1 (n=ywf@61.175.172.102) left ##slackware. [04:43] liking the video for Dayvan Cowboy [04:44] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Boards of Canada rule. [04:46] Great for just, zoning out and jiving with some code. [04:46] :) [04:47] elderK: you need more width :) [04:47] What's the rate man? [04:47] :P I've got as much as I can afford, sadly. [04:48] 105ish [04:48] That isn't so bad :) [04:48] At least, not here. [04:48] heh [04:48] yoo [04:48] :P Then again, I'm living out in the boonies. [04:48] :p [04:48] what's happening [04:48] Action: Zordrak is currently connected by laser [04:48] o_O [04:48] Fiber? [04:48] no [04:48] laser [04:49] That sounds interesting. [04:49] Is it super mega ultra fast? [04:49] I figure it is? [04:49] if we paid more [04:49] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:49] got effectively 10MBit so long as we avg 4 or less over the month [04:49] but its symmetrical [04:49] Ah, so you get throttled? [04:50] no [04:50] its a 4Mbit lease.. but we have 10MBit burst capacity [04:50] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:50] Ah, I got you now :) [04:50] that sounds pretty cool, man. [04:50] as long as our avg for the whole month in 4MBit or less.. we dont get billed any extra [04:51] does it cost you guys like, a kidney? [04:51] :p [04:52] two kidneys a month [04:53] Ouch. [04:53] That must suck. [04:53] :( [04:53] hay.. its not MY cash :) [04:54] :P Well hell man, why didn't you say? :P [04:54] :) I only have ADSL. [04:54] 24Mbit down, [04:54] at home so do I [04:54] maybe 12Mbit up. [04:54] 8down/812K up [04:54] But, that's sitll the fastest I've ever had. [04:54] after last year, spent totally on 56K, I'm happy as hell. [04:54] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:54] hopefully when i move house soon ill be able to get ADSL2+ [04:55] :D [04:55] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.130.110) left irc: "Leaving" [04:55] I'm hoping my line will be decent enough to host a reasonably simple website. [04:55] And host my own repositories. [04:56] for perhaps myself and a friend or two. [04:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:56] I'm not expecting hideously high traffic. [04:56] Heya antiwire! [04:56] hi [04:56] How are you today, man? [04:56] peachy [04:57] elderK: no per-use charges? [04:58] bleah, that sucks [04:58] per use? [04:58] want to keep quake game-data files in /usr/share/games/quake so more than one quake engine can use them [04:58] I have a capacity of 40G. [04:58] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.34.59) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:58] Anything over, costs me through the ass, man. [04:59] but frigging quakeforge only takes a single argument for its game-data directory, and looks for pak files in that dir, and its own private stuff in that dir + "/QF" [04:59] But my speed won't get throttled down. [05:00] elderK: so.. surely you dont wanna be serving repos n stuff [05:00] Sure I do ;) [05:00] They aren't huge repositories :) [05:00] And, I'm not exactly popular. [05:00] :) [05:01] you better stick some robots.txt fun in... before google MAKES you popular [05:01] robots.txt? [05:01] google it.. LOL [05:01] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:02] EartH (n=aku@114.123.212.196) joined ##slackware. [05:02] EartH (n=aku@114.123.212.196) left ##slackware. [05:03] Thanks for that, Zordrak. [05:03] np [05:03] I should be safe until I get a domain, no? [05:03] not everything will obey.. buh google will [05:03] ought to be [05:03] but depends on whether you get linked [05:04] Aye. [05:04] Lately, I've been getting hit by ssh dictionary attacks. [05:04] all of them fail, of course. [05:04] I wrote a small script to block IPs, depending on frequency of connection. [05:05] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [05:05] well, add them to hosts.deny [05:05] and, circumstance. [05:06] err.. those scripts already exist :) [05:06] in any case .. i recommend a better solution [05:06] "I suggest a new strategy, R2. Let the Wookiee win" [05:06] :) What do you advise? [05:07] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) joined ##slackware. [05:07] Hahahaahah [05:07] :) [05:07] block ALL .jp, .cn & .tw netblocks atm your outer border [05:07] I advise sitting back & laughing at the idjits who waste their bandwidth, since you surely don't have any default stupid account/password combos [05:07] Quite, Urchlay. [05:07] Urchlay: theyre wasting his b/w too [05:07] Aye. [05:08] It'd be handy if I could actually resolve the domains from which the IPs are calling :p [05:08] seriously haw many people in china japan or taiwan do you know that you want to sorve files to? [05:08] Moment :) [05:09] Ill show you some of their IPs. [05:09] Just hard block ALL IPs from that end of the continent [05:09] depends what you're trying to do [05:10] if you're trying to serve up a public repository of packages, you probably don't want to block those countries, at least not from ports 80/443 [05:10] there is a geoip iptables module [05:10] you cas ntill whitelist individual IPs or blocks if you find a need [05:10] 212.5.175.226, 59.144.32.49, 80..... etc [05:10] probly better to lock down port 22 (ssh), how many places do you really need to ssh from? [05:10] Good point, Urchlay. [05:10] guys, what method do you use for hibernate / suspend? [05:11] Moving ssh to a nonstandard port would likely help to? [05:11] my machine stoped accepting my script, god knows why [05:11] Kaapa: echo ram > /sys/power/state ? [05:11] eh, it's security-by-obscurity, but actually yes it'll help against those automated dictionary bots [05:11] elderK: ok the first one was amstherdam... but guess where the 2nd was? [05:11] Yup.. APNIC [05:11] India [05:11] elderK: it's 'mem', but if I do just that, my video doesn't resume [05:12] hi guys, the default directory where I have to put files for tftp server is /tftpboot right? [05:12] Kaapa: What video card? [05:12] elderK: ati [05:12] And hey, you are going to console first? [05:12] There should be a way for you to dump the current data in the framebuffer. I just, can't remember it. [05:12] Sorry man. [05:13] dsdeiz (i=daz3d@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [05:13] elderK: http://tinyurl.com/apnicblocks [05:13] elderK: Kill it with fire! [05:13] Dead link? [05:13] hi when i run juk, no sound is coming out from theh flash player [05:13] whoops [05:13] when i run a site with flash player, juk doesn't play [05:13] take "apnic" off the end of the resulting url [05:13] is this a common problem? [05:13] :D [05:14] Cheers [05:14] :) [05:14] i'm actually runnning slax. [05:14] wtf?! i just got a SegFault when passing quit to gnu ftp! [05:15] dsdeiz: leave before you get burnt [05:15] waa [05:15] what's up with that? is there no #slax channel? [05:15] well, no one is awake i guess [05:16] yeah, but how can you seriously expect us to know how to fix slax, if we aren't slax users? [05:17] I mean I could go into #debian and ask slackware questions, but I wouldn't expect useful answers [05:17] anyway I'm not mad at you or anything, just wondering [05:17] whew.. hehe [05:17] anyway, what i had in mind [05:17] is that slax was based on slackware [05:18] when i read about it [05:18] SlackLnx (n=Lee@195.23.211.205) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Blacklisted them all, Zordrak :) [05:18] :) [05:19] i'll go to #linux since i'm already desperate.. lol [05:19] why not google, dsdeiz? [05:19] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) joined ##slackware. [05:19] just dont ever put them in a bind blackhole :) [05:19] Hi all [05:19] already did it [05:19] then do it more :P [05:19] It's either ALSA, OSS... [05:19] hehe ok, thanks [05:19] or something. [05:19] or your kernel... [05:19] or maybe the flash... [05:19] http://www.slax.org/forum.php [05:19] pretty sure "juk" doesn't come with Slackware... meaning most of us probably haven't used it [05:19] or maybe your volume is DOWN [05:19] :p [05:19] or muted... [05:19] ok, i'll go try google again [05:19] thanks [05:20] also, I recommend ensuring that your speakers are actually plugged in :) [05:20] I just installed Slackware 12.1 on my laptop [05:20] and turned on :) [05:20] antiwire: oh, i already tried there too [05:20] dsdeiz: do other apps make sound? [05:20] tried Juk website? [05:20] TheAlmighty: why? [05:20] i'll go check the juk website [05:20] at least you could narrow it down to either "problem with audio in general" or "problem with just juk" [05:20] ahh i see [05:21] i'll do some observations again [05:21] thanks [05:21] (gotta try slackware too) [05:21] Zordrak : I was always crazy bout linux. I've used it in my college and little bit of Ubuntu in my home. [05:21] TheAlmighty: No.. why 12.1? [05:21] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:22] Zordrak : I downloaded 12.2 but got some error during installation [05:22] O_o [05:22] dsdeiz (i=daz3d@server1.bshellz.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:22] Zordrak : My friend was with me and he had 12.1 with him so I installed it [05:22] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:23] TheAlmighty: What error? [05:23] Corrupt packages? [05:23] elderK: prolly bad cd/dvd [05:23] IDE or SATA hdd? [05:23] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Aye. [05:23] :P I had that problem when I was downloading 12.1 on 56k. [05:23] elderK: yeah package [05:23] :P I had enough though to rebuild what was missing [05:23] ^_^ [05:24] elderK: I dont remember which one actually [05:24] TheAlmighty: Redownload the Iso. [05:24] Well, if you installed the full distribution, [05:24] elderK: I think it was due to some scratch in my disk [05:24] you can just.. .check which package is /missing [05:24] in /var/log/packages [05:24] iirc. [05:24] elderK: what dhid you use to blacklist [05:24] vi [05:24] :P [05:24] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:24] hosts.deny? [05:25] Yeah. [05:25] Also changing the ssh port. [05:25] elderK: I'll do. [05:25] But before I need some help [05:25] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] what format? every block in its own ALL or " \" newlines [05:25] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:25] my wifi bcm4310 driver is not yet out for linux [05:25] own ALL [05:25] kk [05:25] Should be safe? [05:25] so how can i use ndiswrapper to make my wifi work ? [05:26] TheAlmighty: Ubuntu forums has some good guides. [05:26] but, all you really need, really. [05:26] is broadcom's STA driver. [05:26] you can find the link on the debian macbook page. [05:26] with ndiswrapper, [05:26] you simply build hte module, etc. [05:26] tkip, ccmp will be needed. [05:26] get your driver stuff from windows, [05:26] bcmwl5.inf, for example. [05:26] and hte .sys [05:26] and register it with ndiswrapper. [05:27] elderK: is not a punctuation mark dude [05:27] Sorry man. [05:27] It's a bad habit. [05:27] I've only used linux I've done stuff like building packages and stuff [05:27] cat fight outside [05:27] can you guide me ? [05:28] Action: TheAlmighty helpless [05:28] Well... Recompile the kernel, you'll probably need to. [05:28] to enable what you need for your hardware. [05:28] Go to sourceforge, download ndiswrapper. [05:28] build it [05:28] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [05:29] I;ve built it and installed it [05:29] Other than that, research. Check out Ubuntu forums. They can help you. Otherwise, google ndiswrapper bcm4310. You'll be sure to find all kinds of websites that can help you. [05:29] TheAlmighty: what chipset do you have for wifi? [05:29] a guy named Xavier from liinuxquestion.org helped me out [05:29] nm i see [05:30] antiwire: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller [05:31] antiwire: Thats what lspci gets me [05:31] k [05:31] Oh, usb... [05:31] antiwire: how do I know the chipset ? [05:32] That is the chipset, TheAlmighty. [05:32] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.4) joined ##slackware. [05:32] elderK: it's not USB, i just reports that way [05:32] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.58) left irc: "leaving" [05:32] OK [05:32] Yes [05:32] Its not USB [05:32] Ah, my bad :). Thanks antiwire. [05:32] TheAlmighty: b43 doesn't work for you? [05:32] TheAlmighty: Check this out, this is the driver I use for bcm4328,. It might work wiht 4310. http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [05:33] anyone uses the pm-utils to suspend/hibernate? [05:34] I haven't. [05:34] no [05:34] ok [05:34] I tried b43-fwcutter [05:34] form slackbuilds [05:34] elderK: can you attept to ssh to tpa.me.uk pls [05:34] it's not only bad that ati doesn't upgrade the drivers, now this thing doesn't even resume properly [05:34] Sure, Zordrak. [05:34] TheAlmighty: yes, the next step is the firmware. do you have it yet? [05:34] no [05:35] antiwire: wher can I get it from [05:35] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-new [05:35] http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 [05:35] Can ssh [05:35] can't login. but, I can reach you just fine, Zordrak. [05:35] hmm [05:36] from the same IP as IRC right? [05:36] elderK: I searched Ubuntu Forums they dont have bcm4310 [05:36] yu [05:36] Yup. [05:36] so wtf [05:36] ... [05:36] Did you check the driver link I sent you, TheAlmighty. That Broadcom driver is official, and you do not require firmware. [05:36] ... But, read the manual on bcm-fwcutter. [05:36] i put an ALL: /32 in hosts.deny for your ip [05:37] It specifies which firmware you need for what chipset. And likewise, it teaches you how to retrieve it. [05:37] wondering if sshd honours it [05:37] Zordrak, did you compile ssh with tcpwrappers support? [05:37] ssh is as pat gave it [05:37] Ah, I compiled mine from soruce. [05:37] oic [05:38] gotta go visit porcelain pete [05:38] bbiab [05:38] All the custom server stuff I have built, resides in /srv :). Reasonably small tree (~200MiB). Make's that part easy to backup, if needed . Likewise, I've written a few scripts to build all the components I need from source. [05:38] Later Zordrak, take care man. [05:38] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [05:38] TheAlmighty: you said you did b43-fwcutter from SBo...did you do this one too? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-firmware/ [05:44] antiwire: I am downloading the firmware [05:44] use that slackbuild [05:44] for both actually [05:47] elderK: I'll check it [05:48] antiwire: The link for firmware they provided int the linuxwireless site was wrong [05:48] antiwire: now I am downloading from your link [05:49] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.115.77.36) joined ##slackware. [05:49] hmmm. Anyone remember, is a binary that's dynamically linked to libc.so.5 *and* libc.so.6, even valid? [05:49] (been eons since I saw one that old but just now ran into one) [05:50] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-233-21.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:51] antiwire: firmware done [05:52] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) got netsplit. [05:52] Philadelphia (i=bno@118-168-233-21.dynamic.hinet.net) got netsplit. [05:52] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.115.77.36) got netsplit. [05:52] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) got netsplit. [05:52] antiwire: upto sudo ..... command [05:53] antiwire: now what should I do ? [05:53] sudo make me a sandwich! [05:53] hi,how can I see the compilation flags what were given at ./configure time at a certain program ? [05:54] reallove: you mean, if you don't have the source directory any more? generally speaking, you can't [05:54] true,if I don't have the source directory anymore [05:54] (a few programs might build that information into the binary, but they'd be few & far between) [05:55] I see [05:55] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.58) joined ##slackware. [05:55] antiwire: Idownloaded the firmware from http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 extracted it [05:56] reallove: are you looking for flags like -O2 -fmarch=i486, or defines that tell the binary where to look for data files and such? 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[06:02] ffs [06:02] no love for netsplits [06:02] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [06:02] Possible future nick collision: Zordrak [06:03] elderK: You there ? [06:03] anyone in from the Asia Pacific region? [06:03] Ya me [06:04] Why Zordrak ? [06:04] what country? [06:04] India [06:04] cool.. can you try to ssh to tpa.me.uk please? [06:04] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.4) joined ##slackware. [06:06] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) got lost in the net-split. [06:06] They dint promt a login [06:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:07] Wohoo! no connection at all, right? [06:07] Yea [06:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:07] \o/ [06:07] Wher u from Zord ? [06:07] uk [06:07] Why you so happy ? [06:07] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:08] and i have just blocked ALL of asia pacific via uptables [06:08] *iptables [06:08] ok [06:08] is it your server ? [06:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [06:08] yus [06:09] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [06:11] TheAlmighty, I love indian girls :D [06:11] elderK: still about? [06:13] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:13] The_Faithful: Especially the ones form my area are sweet and cute.... [06:13] TheAlmighty, LOL ok so we can make a deal, hein ! ;) ? [06:14] The_Faithful: Wer u fom frend ? [06:14] TheAlmighty, I am from morocco [06:16] elderK: srsly.. you have a problem [06:16] Zordrak: your ssh works =) [06:16] credo: country? [06:16] latvia [06:16] Zordrak, for me too [06:16] credo: then it should [06:16] The_Faithful: country? [06:17] I said Morocco [06:17] The_Faithful: then it should :) [06:17] im only blocking apnic by IP [06:17] Zordrak, then congra [06:17] :P [06:18] problem is.. elderK is blocking apnic by hosts.deny [06:18] not realising he is IN apnic region! [06:18] d'oh! [06:18] Hey Zordrak [06:18] :) You've got my attention [06:19] elderK: you are in NZ [06:19] NZ is allocated by apnic [06:19] you need to drop to country specific ip blocks.. not the whole of apnic [06:19] Aw, fudge. [06:19] elderK: What should I do woth my firmware ? [06:20] peersonally.. i can block the whole apnic region without a second thought.. you however might not want to :) [06:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) got netsplit. [06:20] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) got netsplit. [06:20] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got netsplit. [06:20] shmalu (i=shmalu@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-62157bb60de07869) got netsplit. [06:20] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) got netsplit. 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[06:20] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) returned to ##slackware. [06:20] :) I appreciate the warning Zordrak. [06:21] elderK: by the way... i recommend doing it my way.. use iptables.. then you are SO covered [06:21] :) Alrighty. [06:21] I'll have to spend a few days getting familiar with iptables proper. [06:21] But, that's no biggy. [06:21] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:21] As for sshd, at this time, It's not critical for me to have it open to the Internet at large. [06:21] :) [06:22] So, I can save myself some pain by just, closing it. [06:22] elderK: How do I register my firmware ? [06:22] By reading the manual, TheAlmighty. [06:22] elderK: using ndiswrapper [06:22] It is your friend. [06:22] man ndiswrapper ? [06:22] elderK: what about ftp and http [06:22] dont waste money on serving bandwidth to jp and cn [06:23] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.2) joined ##slackware. [06:24] elderK: got a V good link for you [06:25] elderK: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/block-entier-country-using-iptables/ [06:26] Cheers dude [06:26] it's really quite elegant [06:27] :) Bookmarked. [06:27] even logging the drops to syslog [06:27] I will study it in the morning. [06:27] :D Oh, sweet. [06:27] :) I shall bug you more, I think :P [06:28] :) [06:28] Although, it may have to be tomorrow, for I grow most sleepy. [06:28] But hey dude, you stay well :D And, again, thank you for the advice and help. [06:28] ;) You're welcome to down whatever you like from my fpt. [06:28] ^_^ [06:29] :) [06:29] fyi [06:29] im usually only here 9am-5pm BST/GMT+1 [06:29] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [06:30] :) Sweet. [06:30] Have a good day, enjoy the sunshine. [06:30] It's freaking cold here :P [06:31] TheAlmighty: Goodluck ;) [06:32] Night folks! [06:32] elderK (n=zk@122-57-247-10.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Sleeeeeep..." 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[07:26] evilmatt (n=root@cpe-75-84-167-172.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:26] hello [07:27] when ever i stall sack, X will work out the box where it wont let drop down [07:28] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:28] evilmatt: I don't understand what you mean [07:28] evilmatt; ? [07:30] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:31] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:33] well [07:34] when i try to exit xwin it goes black and i have to reboot my turns he power supply [07:34] i know its a very simple fix.. i just cant remember how to do it [07:38] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.23) joined ##slackware. [07:38] xiws (n=xiws13@61.139.51.69) left irc: Client Quit [07:40] _fb (n=aa@210.54.148.202) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.32.174) joined ##slackware. [07:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:50] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:50] Anyone a clue at why proftpd wouldn't start at logon? It is 755 in /etc/rc.d... [07:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.32.174) left irc: "Leaving" [07:51] jaka_slacker (i=1000@114.121.114.166) joined ##slackware. [07:52] jaka_slacker (i=1000@114.121.114.166) left ##slackware. [07:53] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Zosma: grep -R rc\.proftpd /etc/rc.d/rc.* [07:54] Ahem good point. [07:55] evilmatt (n=root@cpe-75-84-167-172.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the PalmPilot today!" [07:55] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [07:56] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [07:57] I thought so :) [07:57] :-) [07:57] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:58] At those times you know why coffee is bliss. [07:58] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:58] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) left ##slackware. [07:58] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [07:58] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [07:59] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:00] hmm UDP/53 and TCP/25 .. anything else i should let asia have access to? [08:01] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host14-169-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:01] ssh ports? [08:02] _fb_ (n=aa@210.54.148.202) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:02] why would i want to give them access to ssh? [08:03] ok - didn't know you wanted _them_ to have access :) [08:04] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:04] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:25] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431610.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:25] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431610.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Zordrak: what would you give asia access? ;) [08:26] 25 and 53 [08:26] er, why [08:26] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:26] email from asus for example [08:26] What did you setup? just an external email server for someone? [08:27] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) left ##slackware. [08:27] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [08:27] no.. this is my server [08:28] im just fed up oy my bandwidth and processing being taken up by attacks from asia [08:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:28] so im dropping their packets unless theyre sending me mail [08:28] then postfix will determine if the mail is worth having [08:28] You shouldn't need to open dns then. I would honestly drop all traffic except what i open up. [08:29] DNS is neede for the MX lookup [08:29] and i would change ports of commonly used programs. IE: ssh [08:29] only on your end, i believe. [08:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.11.211) joined ##slackware. [08:29] no need.. causes me more hassle [08:29] if they send me mail.. they need to lookup the MX to send it to [08:31] mx should be looked up by their mailserver DNS when their mail is sent. [08:31] yeah exactly [08:31] _fb_ (n=aa@210.54.148.202) joined ##slackware. [08:31] it needs to be able to find me [08:32] But not through DNS. your record should exist on their DNS server or at least point to were to find it. Maybe you're hosting an external dns server? [08:32] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:32] bbs, gotta shower for work. [08:32] its not hosted on their server till the 1st time it's looked up [08:33] s/hosted/cached/ maybe? [08:33] alisonken1noc: *nod* [08:35] So, as of now.. if you are in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Korea or Japan, you can't touch my box except to send mail [08:35] woo \o/ [08:35] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:35] oh and taiwan [08:36] oh noes, what will Asia do without your box now [08:36] A hell of a lot less would be the answer to that [08:36] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:36] monstro (i=1000@201-43-251-116.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Hi folks, [08:37] How to extract various files .rar with unrar ? [08:37] why waste time doing dynamic IP banning after an attack has started.. mhen 98% of the attacks come from those 7 countries? [08:40] nbuonanno (n=nbuonann@cpe-74-67-15-46.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:40] _fb (n=aa@210.54.148.202) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:41] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:44] monstro: you can try my unrar package: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/unrar/pkg/ [08:44] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [08:47] alienBOB: I don't know if you've checked LQ, but your usbimage script worked flawless for me [08:47] cheers :) [08:52] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-b816a248d743d0d5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:54] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [08:56] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) joined ##slackware. [08:58] alienBOB: ah, will it get added to sbo at some point? [08:59] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [08:59] alienBOB: sorry, it's already there [08:59] thumbs: huh? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/unrar/ [08:59] Zordrak, didnt you forget russian and Ukraine [09:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:01] yeah i guess so.. will add them now [09:02] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Zordrak, i dont know if this package is in slack but fail2ban is good for blocking brute force attacks [09:04] why waste time doing dynamic IP banning after an attack has started.. mhen 98% of the attacks come from those 7 (now 9) countries? [09:05] heh [09:05] ff2b does it for anybody and after a couple of days pretty much stops it [09:05] if someone hits your server 3xs in a row too fast.. it blocks [09:06] A lot of bots are getting around that [09:06] has an iptables setting and then unblocks after 15 mins [09:06] They throttle accordingly [09:06] straterra: yeah [09:06] Atleast, thats what I've noticed on my servers [09:06] VampirePenguin: the problem is that the bots can see that source code too. [09:07] thumbs, well on the server i was running taht had f2b on it attacks went from very frequent to practically 0 [09:08] farabi_ (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [09:08] still.. the bot can log that you are connectable for later [09:08] with a permanent ban.. theres just nothing for them to see [09:09] VampirePenguin: poor quality bots, then [09:09] they never came back.. they usually hit about 2x per min.. this would stop them as they would continue tryuin for a few mins, but then nothing when f2b dropped the mark [09:09] monstro (i=1000@201-43-251-116.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:12] |newbie| (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:12] monstro (i=1000@201-26-14-244.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:12] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:12] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.249) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Nick change: |newbie| -> CtrlAltCa [09:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:15] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.45) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:16] thrice`: are you abrouwers then? [09:16] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Urchlay_ (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] alienBOB: that he is [09:17] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.123.22) joined ##slackware. [09:17] alienBOB: yep. I was completely stumped :( [09:19] farabi (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Connection timed out [09:21] Zordrak, thanks for banning Ukraine. very kind move of yours. *bursts in tears* [09:22] w4lk (n=chatzill@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:32] http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/84119-2/Cat_invisible_pet_door.gif [09:32] lmao [09:33] w4lk (n=chatzill@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [09:34] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-156-153.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:35] how do i see a list of all librarys installed on my system? [09:35] is there a command for unpatching a kernel ? [09:35] all packages, you mean ? [09:36] The_Faithful: yes, patch ;) [09:36] yes [09:36] packages [09:36] slackpkg list? [09:36] im trying to get ePSXe to work [09:36] sure, or they are also in /var/log/packages/ (ls /var/log/packages/ ), or under "view" in pkgtool [09:37] but i dont think i have all of its dependencs [09:37] thrice`, I did a mistake when I was patching the kernel with "patch" now I need to abort this recent patch [09:37] The_Faithful: "patch"; man patch, and check for -R [09:37] ok thx [09:38] beatzz: ah; so, if you want to see if, for example, firefox is installed, 'ls /var/log/packages/*firefox*' will show you [09:38] thanks thrice` [09:38] ! [09:38] now i just gata find the dependency list again :/ [09:40] beatzz: if you like slackbuilds.org, there is a tool called "sbopkg" that works pretty well. some people think it's much easier - not sure if you're interrested, but: http://www.sbopkg.org/ [09:40] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:41] thanks, i'll definitly look into that [09:41] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [09:41] that way, when it says "build a, b, then c", you just check those off in sbopkg in that order, and it will do them in that order [09:42] xiws (n=xiws13@61.139.51.69) joined ##slackware. [09:43] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host5-84-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:43] what is dos2unix in slackware ? [09:43] thrice`, SBo dosent have some of the packages i need, for example libgtk1.2-common where/how would i get that & others not listed in SBo's repository [09:43] converts line endings [09:44] convert line endings? [09:44] ?* [09:44] there is a special character sequence used to denote a "new line" [09:44] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Lalloso: DOS and Unix use different ways of ending a line of text [09:44] and that character sequence is different between linux, mac, and windows [09:44] I know [09:44] but there was an ancient command [09:45] called dos2unix [09:45] DOS uses \r\n .. unix uses \n [09:45] dos2unix converts [09:45] ohh, you mean where is it on slack? [09:45] yes [09:45] thrice`, SBo dosent have some of the packages i need, for example libgtk1.2-common where/how would i get that & others not listed in SBo's repository? [09:45] ugh [09:45] in ancient slacks there was if i remember well [09:45] Lalloso: What != Where [09:45] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:45] it must have changed name :) [09:45] yes sorry ^_^ [09:46] Lalloso: perl -e "s/\r\n/\n/g" [09:46] beatzz: all of those should be installed on your system. that one specifically, I think, is gtk+-1.x [09:46] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [09:46] hey [09:46] hello [09:47] how's things? [09:47] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left irc: "leaving" [09:47] good i suppose [09:47] thrice`, root@5570Z:~# ls /var/log/packages/*libgtk1.2-common* [09:47] /bin/ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/*libgtk1.2-common*: No such file or directory [09:48] Zordrak: so no dos2unix anymore? :-( [09:48] beatzz: libgtk is the name of the library, while /var/log/packages/ lists the package names only. you can use "grep" to search through the packages, like: "grep libgtk /var/log/packages/*' [09:49] beat me to it [09:49] Lalloso: *shrug* [09:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Connection timed out [09:49] heh, i installed about 50 dependencies for all this music software last night [09:49] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:50] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [09:51] monstro (i=1000@201-26-14-244.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] jeez.. theres more russian netblocks than the 7 apnic countries combined! [09:56] xiws (n=xiws13@61.139.51.69) left irc: Client Quit [09:56] north korea is bad from what i hear [09:57] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-156-153.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "peace" [09:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:58] im using ipdenf [09:58] ipdeny [09:58] they dont seem to have a netblock list for KP [10:00] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:00] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [10:00] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] whats some bad ass software fol linux? [10:01] i ran out of cool new stuff... it's all boring now [10:01] gcc is pretty sick-awesome [10:02] lol [10:02] <_arfon_> Cann0n- I like rm... It's pretty fun [10:02] <_arfon_> rm this [10:02] <_arfon_> rm that [10:02] cut ftw [10:02] <_arfon_> rm -f is REALLY fun [10:02] Zordrak: looks like ipdeny is just a service that purports to map IP addresses to nationality. sick [10:02] touch is bad ass too [10:03] duill: i know what it is [10:03] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:03] <_arfon_> I get in trouble with touch [10:03] im just using their lists for scripting iptables [10:03] <_arfon_> I usually touch the wrong place [10:03] <_arfon_> Then I get viruses [10:03] _arfon_: dd if=coolness of=/dev/sda [10:04] thats a cool one too [10:04] hactually [10:04] iptables is fun... a bit on the pain in the ass side [10:04] i forgot the two best bits of kit evar [10:04] nmap && netcat [10:05] <_arfon_> <---HATES IP tables [10:05] _arfon_: what do you use instead? [10:05] <_arfon_> IPTables and e-mail servers are a blight [10:05] _arfon_: too spicy for you? [10:05] i like iptables better than ipchains [10:05] <_arfon_> I use iptables... But I don't like it [10:05] a ha! lol [10:06] <_arfon_> Zordak... too confusing [10:06] <_arfon_> I think that developers are like lawyers [10:06] <_arfon_> They write sh!t to keep themselves employed [10:06] _arfon_: iptables is simple.. it's firewall principles that will be confusing [10:07] Compare iptables with Comodo firewall and they are the same [10:07] i used alienBOB's firewall generator thing [10:07] worked nicely [10:07] confusing? im a stoner and even i made my own rc.firewall.... [10:07] a chain of rules applied to a particular instance of comms [10:07] with ssh and vuse... [10:07] <_arfon_> Zordak yes and no [10:08] Zordrak, comodi is a windows firewall, doesn't it ? [10:08] *comodo [10:08] it's just a bitch whem i want to play open arena... i gotta open my port up for it [10:08] yes.. just using it for comparison [10:08] <_arfon_> the principle are a little difficult but really there's only three things you can do with a connection/packet [10:08] <_arfon_> 1) accept [10:08] <_arfon_> 2) drop [10:08] The_Faithful: there is no such thing as a windows firewall... [10:08] <_arfon_> 3) redirect [10:09] Cann0n, right ! [10:09] lol [10:09] _arfon_: 4. munge [10:09] <_arfon_> As for interfaces- you have only three things there [10:09] <_arfon_> 1) input [10:09] <_arfon_> 2) output [10:09] <_arfon_> 3) forwarded [10:09] <_arfon_> Okay, yeah, munge [10:10] windows needs at least two AVs, a FW, and like 40 other useless tasks that start all at once when you log in [10:10] <_arfon_> WHY does it have to be so cryptic? [10:10] the best firewall in world is this : http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ [10:10] same reason VPN is cryptic [10:10] security is hard [10:10] _arfon_: what is cryptic? [10:10] anyone who says different is an idiot and a moron [10:10] <_arfon_> iptables is cryptic [10:11] <_arfon_> Security is hard.... [10:11] iptables isnt cryptic... it's pretty simple once you read the man pages [10:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:11] like i said... iptables isnt hard... firewalls are hard.. iptables is just one of many ways to do it.. theyre all hard [10:12] id rather use iptables than McAffee or Norton products [10:12] dos2unix is now fromdos [10:12] Zordrak, oh yes I wanna know something about blocking VPN in an internal networking, have you and idea ? [10:12] uau [10:12] The_Faithful: block UDP5000 [10:12] Action: Zordrak is off for lunch [10:12] _arfon_: want to see my rc.firewall? [10:12] <_arfon_> Heres what I want: iprules interfaces:all direction:all ip:all ports:all action:drop [10:12] Zordrak, it's a protocol ? [10:12] yeah [10:12] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:13] I mean that VPN use UDP or TCP [10:13] _arfon_: you could right a front end like that... [10:13] it's the same [10:13] <_arfon_> iprules interfaces: eth0 direction:all ip:192.168.2.0/24 action:accept [10:13] so if I block UDP what's about TCP ? [10:13] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:13] The_Faithful: just block both... [10:14] <_arfon_> Hmm, I should wrirte that frontend, shouldn't I....? [10:14] i wouldnt... it's great how it is [10:15] Cann0n, Blocking a port it's an old way and doesn't work actually for P2P networks and VPN [10:15] because they can change port number many time [10:15] never toyed with VPN's [10:16] The_Faithful: then block all [10:16] for example P2P can use port HTTP (80) [10:16] Cann0n, stop kidding :p [10:16] I heard that the best solution is using L7-filter classifier [10:16] have a nice weekend [10:17] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) left irc: "leaving" [10:17] I am trying this unstable shit :S [10:17] /usr/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i wlan0 -o wlan0 -j REJECT [10:17] <_arfon_> My iptables do this: block all___ open up port 80,21,22,25,443,110___block all China/Korea ips [10:17] some shit like that [10:17] <_arfon_> oh and opens up ftp return ports [10:18] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [10:18] then throw in /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -d 127.0.0.0/8 -i lo -j ACCEPT (duh) [10:18] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:18] L7-filter is a packet classifier for the Linux kernel that doesn't look up port numbers [10:18] or Layer 4 protocols, but instead looks up the data in an IP packet and does a regular [10:18] expression match on it to determine what kind of data it is, mainly what application [10:18] Channel flood from The_Faithful -- kicking [10:18] protocol is being used. [10:18] The_Faithful kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:19] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] hey The_Faithful, can you post that again? I missed it [10:19] lol [10:19] lol [10:19] <_arfon_> :) [10:19] mmlj4, google is your friend :P [10:19] The_Faithful: pastebin.ca could be yours ;) [10:20] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.23) left irc: "Leaving" [10:20] lf4, ok for the next time :P [10:21] Cann0n: this seems easier: iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -i lo [10:21] yeah it does doesnt it... [10:21] Woohoo my SSD drive comes today... I think... this is the only UPS tracking that has actually confused me lol. [10:23] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] I'd rather have my flashcardt and my 16gb micro-sdhc card [10:25] flashcart^ [10:27] Cann0n_ (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [10:27] shit... my laptops power cord is mad loose... and it just dies for no reason... [10:28] that doesn't sound right. :P [10:29] urmom doesnt sound right [10:29] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-70-31.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Cann0n__ (n=jack@c-66-176-76-236.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] so as i was saying... my power cord is loose.... [10:30] and dies randomly...... [10:30] Cann0n__: thats what duct tape is for ;) [10:30] its too awkward to tape [10:30] super glue [10:31] im gonna have to just replace the power jacks [10:31] aww now where is the fun in that... [10:32] power jacks? [10:32] Like..on the laptop itself? [10:32] lol... shit. if i bump wy laptop too hard, it dies... im waiting for that fsck to kick in after 25 boots lol [10:32] yeah [10:32] Solder joints are cracked [10:32] Takes about 5 minutes to fix once you get in [10:32] Getting in to it is the bitch though [10:32] it's a commom problem with this model [10:32] its a common problem with laptops :P [10:33] lol yeah... theres like 24 screws [10:33] Have fun [10:33] jazzdog (n=borkel@catv-80-98-188-232.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [10:33] straterra: this model has a lot of issues. my fav is it runs at 79C [10:33] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [10:34] 82C is the critical temp in whcih all hell breaks loose on the inside. cron + tempcheck.sh ftw [10:34] Anyone know of possible ways to have a PXE server on a network where the router is the DHCP server? [10:35] jazzdog (n=borkel@catv-80-98-188-232.catv.broadband.hu) left ##slackware ("andrej leharapja fejed"). [10:35] lf4: no idea. never got into complicated networking [10:36] Cann0n__: ok :) i'm just sitting here trying to think how I could subnet it maybe to function properly. haha I think I'd need two network cards in my server to do that though. [10:38] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [10:38] i hate networking. i miss when all you had to do was stick the cord in and it work lol [10:38] lf4: i think the question is why the router is doing your dhcp [10:38] but, wifi is pretty sweet... [10:39] well, i gotta go to work... yay! havent said that it 2.5 years. w00t! [10:39] later [10:39] Zordrak: because I never set up a DHCP server at home. :P [10:39] Cann0n__ (n=jack@c-66-176-76-236.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:39] later Cann0n__ [10:39] duill (n=a@e179151038.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [10:40] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [10:41] ugh i fscking hate SonicWALL [10:41] not only is their VPN Win only... but i cant even get their fscking web interface to work on linux [10:43] <_arfon_> SonicWALL BLOWS [10:43] <_arfon_> Try and get an firmware update from them..... [10:43] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:44] <_arfon_> If you don't pay your monthly ransom, no updates for you. [10:44] me__ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:44] kama (n=kama@host199-31-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Cann0n_ (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:45] <_arfon_> How many times is Cann0n gonna leave? [10:45] im mean seriously.. WTF is with expensive networking kit that cant respond to a linux web browser without extreme xizarre packet loss?! [10:45] sitwon (n=adam@pool-96-241-216-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:46] <_arfon_> Zor, I'm with you..... [10:46] <_arfon_> I had to fight with a SonicWALL the other day... Guess what, they MANGLE VOIP packets unless you update to the latest firmware [10:47] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [10:47] <_arfon_> ...then you can't DL the update because your subscription isn't current [10:47] devious [10:47] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-156-153.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] <_arfon_> What kind of horse squeeze is that!?!?! [10:47] still not shure how to find and install libgtkglext-x11-1.0.so.0 [10:47] <_arfon_> DO NOT USE SONICWALLS [10:48] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:48] i dont have it installed on my system, says kpacket manager [10:48] and i need it [10:48] -_- [10:48] omfg [10:48] beatzz: tried installing GtkGLExt from SBo? [10:48] telnet the web interface........... [10:48] Stadard http1.1 get request with a host [10:48] BP{k}, no but i will now [10:49] 400 Bad Request [10:49] kama (n=kama@host199-31-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [10:50] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.171) joined ##slackware. [10:52] ffs [10:52] even firefox under windows doesnt work [10:52] the javascript is broken [10:52] BP{k}, it looks like its working! hopefully when this is finished pSX will work [10:52] <_arfon_> beatzzz - there's a package for it in Slack9.1...... [10:52] Zordrak, because it was microsofied :P [10:53] _arfon_, how do i get it? [10:53] <_arfon_> Hang on [10:53] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:53] BP{k}, upon successfully installing that package, i still get this error on ./pSX [10:54] _arfon_: telling people to install packages for 9.1 on later systems is generally a stupid idea. [10:54] <_arfon_> http://slackware.rol.ru/linuxpackages//Slackware-9.1/Library/libgtkglext/libgtkglext-1.0.5-i686-1bux.tgz [10:54] _arfon_: uhm *no* [10:54] <_arfon_> It probably won't work because of kernels but, it's free to try [10:55] _arfon_: let me introduce you and enlighten you to a new concept .. do not use linuxpackages ffs. [10:55] well, actualy pSX started for me [10:55] sound and video messed up a bit [10:55] but its a start [10:57] beatzz: may I suggest trying pcsx-df? It works good here and is even gtk2 based ;) [10:57] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:58] a totaly new emu? [10:58] i have installed ePSXe and pSX over last night [10:58] beatzz: and go ahead and wean yourself off of kpackage. Once kde4 goes mainstream, kpackage will no longer work unless you install something else called "smart" which has basically zero chance of appearing in Slackware. [10:58] lawlezz (n=lawless@125.27.167.1.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] neither of them work [10:58] beatzz: nah, an improved pcsx [10:59] hi [10:59] could u explain please pprkut ? [10:59] <_arfon_> Beatzz- get it from here: http://gtkglext.sourceforge.net/ [10:59] i installed that gtkg package like 15 minutes ago [10:59] what is the best linux? [10:59] but thanks _arfon_ [10:59] slackware ;) [10:59] Action: lawlezz curious [11:00] lawlezz: slackware :) [11:00] thanx [11:00] lawlezz: the kernel! [11:00] or Kubuntu 8.04 [11:00] lawlezz: whichever channel you happen to ask that question in is the best. [11:00] BP{k}: good call lol [11:00] haha [11:00] Kubuntu 8.04 > * for ease [11:00] beatzz: pcsx ceased development years ago in favor of pcsx2. pcsx-df is a fork of that emulator [11:00] beatzz: you don't know enough about linux to answer that question. [11:00] <_arfon_> beatzz- that isn't a slackware package.... It's the source, you have to compile it [11:01] rworkman, it was an opinional question :p [11:01] Uninformed opinions are worthless. [11:01] _arfon_: please, if you don't follow the conversation, please stay out of it, allright? He already installed the gtkglext from slackbuilds.org. [11:01] well, pSX is actualy working [11:01] i like linuxXP because of all the distro's it only cost me $1 ;O [11:01] it even loaded a game for me [11:02] just seems super slow [11:02] but i can google this problem [11:02] beatzz: it was just a suggestion :) [11:02] beatzz, for me Kubuntu = windows [11:02] thanks BP{k} for the package link [11:02] beatzz: no problem :) [11:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] The_Faithful, exactly ;p [11:02] Kubuntu 8.04 > * for ease [11:02] <_arfon_> If he used a slackbuild, why is it not being recognized? [11:02] hence the "ease" [11:03] it is _arfon_ [11:03] slackware gives me more ease than kubuntu did [11:03] its working :) [11:03] any body play windows games in slack? pls tell me how!!! [11:03] beantmt, "ease" means a lot :P [11:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:03] beatzz [11:03] _arfon_: you aren't helping anything [11:03] lawlezz, wine setup.exe [11:03] ok [11:03] The_Faithful, yes? [11:03] i'll try [11:03] <_arfon_> Ok, I'll leave the answers to you guys. [11:03] TY [11:04] _arfon_, dont get me wronge, i appreciate your concern [11:04] and the monies [11:04] _arfon_, and thank you for the sujestions [11:04] <_arfon_> Sorry, i COULDN'T HELP YOU BEATZZ [11:04] <_arfon_> Dumb caps lock [11:04] only time that didnt work for me was when it had multiple discs and wouldnt let me umount as setup.exe is on the first disc, and also sometimes directx settings in winecfg arent set properly for the game but googling fixes that pretty well [11:04] _arfon_, much <3 [11:05] beatzz, redhat is easy to use for configuring networks and windows server too, but they are not the same [11:05] what's the emoticon for holding hands? [11:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] me__, 8====D [11:06] lol [11:06] yht (n=yht@114.121.10.231) joined ##slackware. [11:06] maybe its my font but that doesn't look like hand holding [11:06] totally your font.. [11:07] hey guys whats the command to see the system message for the last device i plugged in [11:07] Shrp_, try dmesg [11:07] that was it [11:07] thx [11:07] look at me [11:07] Action: i_is_cat is the guru [11:07] if anyone has any experence configuring pSX emulator so its not super slow and chopy I'd love to hear any advice you may have [11:08] now to try that rm -rf / command.. [11:08] i_is_cat: read the chan rules [11:08] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] straterra, *sigh* i'll do it this afternoon [11:09] Better do it now before you get the banhammer [11:09] :O [11:09] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:10] then where will i go for all my slackware needs? *sniff* [11:10] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.52) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:10] I wanna know if Slackware did a lot of changes in the Linux kernel, and if yes what kind of changes they do ? [11:11] The_Faithful, slackware sticks to vanilla. [11:11] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] The_Faithful: There aren't any patches [11:11] Action: alienBOB wants to yield the banhammer at least once today [11:11] <_arfon_> starterra, can you PM me? [11:11] The_Faithful, always has. [11:11] _arfon_: I'd prefer you just asked here [11:12] ok [11:12] that's good [11:12] <_arfon_> Okay, I just looked at the rules, which one did i_cis_cat break (so I won't do the same)? [11:12] The_Faithful, I used to patch it with scheduler patches, but everything is fine nowadays. [11:12] Pasting malicious code/commands in here [11:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:12] <_arfon_> Ah.... [11:12] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-156-153.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:13] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] <_arfon_> Sorry, I made that joke earlier so I didn't catch that [11:13] Buggaboo, so they never do big changes :P [11:14] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-135-48.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:16] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Hi all [11:20] lawlezz (n=lawless@125.27.167.1.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: "bed time" [11:20] <_arfon_> Hi Almighty [11:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Hi afron [11:24] do you know where I can get audio drivers for my slackware 12.1 [11:25] TheAlmighty, they are already included [11:25] but by default all audio is muted [11:25] edman007: How to unmute ? [11:26] TheAlmighty: alsaunmute [11:26] TheAlmighty: alsaconf FIRST [11:26] just use alsamixer and turn em up [11:26] allend (n=allend@121.214.54.243) joined ##slackware. [11:27] Zordrak, huh? i have no alsaunmute... [11:27] sorry.. too many OSes in my head [11:27] me rooo [11:27] alsaconf then alsamixer [11:27] I mean [11:27] I dont have alsaunmute [11:27] ^ [11:28] You know my alsa settings haven't been saving lately. if i run alsamixer and turn up the master, then run alsactl store (all as root). Reboot, settings aren't saved. I've tried rerunning alsaconf, deleting the asound.conf and running alsaconf again to no avail. Not sure why it's not saving the settings. [11:28] Zordrak: Heh. i know that feeling. [11:29] Zordrak: vim has been ingrained in my head lately with heavy usage and i was in notepad hitting esc after i made changes. :P [11:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [11:29] agentc0re|work, you are not alone, same thing here, i think it has something to do with my intelhd drivers [11:29] edman007: Hrmm. I have a audigy4 though. [11:29] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:29] agentc0re|work: yeah... i end up with text files that end on a new line with :wq [11:29] hmm [11:29] edman007: You're using slamd64 too, right? [11:30] yea [11:30] i like to pretend it does not matter [11:30] heh. [11:30] most often, it doesn't ;) [11:30] i am using slamd64 as well. I wonder if it has something to do with that. [11:30] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] (mostly because "most often", we troll :) ) [11:31] guys i still got no sound [11:31] :( [11:31] TheAlmighty: you're running 12.1, right? [11:31] What sound card? [11:31] Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [11:32] Is this new hardware? [11:32] yes [11:32] My laptop [11:32] update the kernel to 2.6.29. [11:32] needs a recent kernel [11:32] I bought it only a week ago [11:32] My new acer sound wasn't working until i updated the kernel. [11:32] TheAlmighty: i told you not to run 12.1 [11:32] the sound on my ICH8 needed a post-slackwae 12.2 kernel iirc [11:33] Zodrak: Yeah, guess I gotta download the 12.2 again [11:33] TheAlmighty: for a *new* laptop id recommend -current [11:33] cos you may have other hardware issues too [11:33] TheAlmighty: I have that device, works with 2.6.28 here [11:34] TheAlmighty: Download the latest 2.6.29.X kernel. copy the config from /boot into the new kernel source, run make menuconfig. Make your changes, then run, make && make modules_install && make install. [11:34] Zodrak: I have a lot of issues [11:34] My wifi card aint working [11:34] My sound driver is not working [11:34] TheAlmighty: check if sound works with headphones plugged in [11:34] my mouse wheel is not working [11:34] mouse wheel just needs a l/ine in xorg.conf [11:35] damn, this is gnarly... the school's a ghosttown [11:35] bunch of teachers walked out already [11:35] google XAxisMapping [11:35] I wanna play with a linux inna bios, machine. [11:35] ZAxisMapping [11:36] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) left irc: "Erp. So that's what kill %1 does!" [11:36] yeah headsets working [11:36] "X -configure" as root, then "mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf" should "just work" [11:36] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:36] Zordrak: I would never *recommend* -current [11:37] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] TheAlmighty: then, most likely, your speakers are turned off. Was the case here, took me 4 weeks to find out [11:37] at the moment -current is beautiful [11:37] <_arfon_> I have to add this: IF you have ZAxisMapping in xorg.conf, the scroll wheel STILL may not work. [11:37] <_arfon_> I had to change the mouse driver to auto on two machines to get it to work. [11:38] _arfon_: set it to IMPS/2 [11:38] mouse-scrolling will almost surely work out of the box these days [11:38] <_arfon_> Sorry, MOUSE PROTOCOL [11:38] yeah they are muted but i cant switch them on [11:38] TheAlmighty: push "m" [11:38] TheAlmighty: what laptop? [11:38] w4lk (n=chatzill@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] <_arfon_> They were at IMPS/2 and they didn't work [11:38] rworkman: Fatal error [11:38] dv4 1257 [11:39] TheAlmighty: be sure you do "X -configure" [11:39] HP [11:39] HP dv4 1257 [11:39] thrice`: mine are actually hardware muted. No software switch and hal mutes them everytime on bootup [11:39] oh, sorry, I thought you meant you didn't know how to unmute via. software :> [11:39] Nick change: yht -> yht|off [11:39] pprkut: the alsa daemon should restore it after hal mutes it, though [11:39] TheAlmighty: I have a HP too. Check for a button, somewhere. read speaker, most likely [11:40] Yeah that is red and even if I press it its still red [11:40] TheAlmighty: well, it should react on a push :/ [11:40] thrice`: yeah, well, it doesn't :P [11:40] Zodrak: XAxisMapping being searched [11:41] <_arfon_> ZAxisMapping 4 5 [11:41] pprkut: strange :| and you've "alsactl store" after updating them, surely ? [11:41] pprkut: >: [11:41] pprkut: >:x [11:42] thrice`: err. they are not muted in alsamixer [11:42] never [11:42] guys I'll brb [11:42] im getting off this failbus before it crashes [11:42] ttfn [11:42] oh, OK [11:43] thrice`: I can turn on the speakers via a hardware switch. They are enabled on next bootup UNTIL rc.hal, then they are muted again [11:43] TheAlmighty: you get a fatal error running "X -configure" ?? [11:43] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] rworkman: Yes [11:44] hal, what's that ? oh, I see : -rw-r--r-- 1 root 906 2008-12-08 22:33 /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [11:44] pprkut: ah; I thought you mean hal muted in the software. strange still :) [11:45] TheAlmighty: that's not good. What Slackware version? [11:45] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:45] rworkman: 12.1 [11:45] <_arfon_> Why not just use xorgconf? [11:45] thrice`: no, unfortunately not. It mutes with acpi, I guess [11:45] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:45] TheAlmighty: have you upgraded some of the X packages with stuff from other Slackware versions? That should never fail [11:45] Action: pprkut uses xorgsetup [11:46] arno: X -configure is part of upstream X and actually probes the hardware to find what *should* be the optimal xorg.conf [11:46] <_arfon_> X -configure has NEVER worked for me. :( [11:46] <_arfon_> God hates me [11:46] been working for me since 12.1 [11:46] The only time I've ever seen X -configure fail is when some of the individual drivers have missing symbols (indicating admin error) [11:47] possibly earlier [11:47] Action: Zordrak uses frigging vi .. i dont see whats so hard [11:47] Well, "fail" in that context = "fatal error" -- it has "failed" in the context of picking the wrong driver. [11:47] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] <_arfon_> Zordrak- Not enough pictures... [11:48] <_arfon_> Zordrak- when I color, I can't stay in the lines... :( [11:48] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [11:52] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [11:55] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [11:59] me__ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] I have the version 2.6.28.2 of my kernel and I want to patch it to 2.6.28.10.. but I got this message : "can't find file to patch at input line x".. what this message means and how can I solve this problem ? [12:00] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [12:01] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Sashi (n=Sashi@S0106001310a00123.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] does slack have a pkg manger? [12:01] The_Faithful: you should not be patching kernels [12:01] Sashi: pkgtool [12:02] The_Faithful: you dont know nearly enough yet [12:02] Sashi: pkgtool / slackpkg [12:02] The_Faithful: the patches on kernel.org are against the base, so 2.6.28 in this case [12:02] would you recommend slack over debian in terms of speed? [12:02] i havent used slack in years [12:02] Zordrak, right ! but I need that to install L7-filter patch [12:02] booteco (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) joined ##slackware. [12:02] pprkut, ok [12:03] Sashi: you won't really find a "we think slackware is the best" opinion. of course we all prefer slackware, but you should make the choice yourself [12:03] but I really need that [12:03] :P [12:03] Speedy Gonzales uses Slackware, Sashi. [12:03] <_arfon_> Slo-mo Rodrigez uses Debian [12:03] ^^ [12:04] The_Faithful: what's wrong with downloading the full sources for 2.6.28.10? [12:04] pprkut, ok [12:05] pprkut, because I am trying to do the same with L7-filter patch.. and I got the same error message [12:05] :S [12:05] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "leaving" [12:06] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [12:07] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.36.137) joined ##slackware. [12:07] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:07] hi all.. do you know from where can i download PyQt-4.4.4-i486-2.txz ? [12:07] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.81) joined ##slackware. [12:08] it is not found nowhere [12:08] it's not? [12:08] _guitarman_1 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/slackware/l/PyQt-4.4.4-i486-2.txz [12:08] looks like it's still a tgz [12:08] hey, what do you know, the first mirror I checked [12:09] <_arfon_> I think there's a Slackware 9.1 package for it.... [looks around] [12:09] _arfon_: I think we had that already...... [12:09] <_arfon_> Did we...? I have a short memory. [12:09] _guitarman_1 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [12:10] thrice`: thanks.. there it is.. may be at another mirrors is still as tgz as charle97 said [12:10] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431610.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:10] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: [12:11] yes, but when you said "it's not found anywhere," I assumed you actually checked more than 1 location [12:11] Ivo (n=ivo@77.76.51.32) joined ##slackware. [12:12] thrice`: yes, i've checked several mirros listed here http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=current/PyQt-4.4.4-i486-2.txz [12:13] ok, fair enough :) [12:13] Action: SlackLnx hi \o [12:13] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [12:14] hello [12:14] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: [12:14] aha, when you click those, it's searching for "PyQt-4.4.4-i486-2.txz.tgz [12:14] <_arfon_> Hello [12:16] <_arfon_> Well, I'm off to lunch. Have fun guys. [12:16] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: "Leaving." [12:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:18] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.15.136) joined ##slackware. [12:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:21] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-193-149-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:22] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] allend (n=allend@121.214.54.243) left irc: "Leaving" [12:30] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-025-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:38] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] stybla: ubuntu :P [12:38] i'd let him try out ubuntu or some pinko distro like that first. if he finds that he wants more manual control, then suggest slackware. [12:38] Action: lowkyalur mumbles: GUIs. [12:38] lol [12:38] slack was my first linuxdist that i actually learned, before that i used redhat as a desktop distro [12:38] really nice shit this [12:39] Hey Dominian, how are you? [12:39] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) joined ##slackware. [12:39] I'm back [12:39] pprkut: ah, bububuntu - ok. [and i'm going to throw up] [12:39] slack is also my first distro. i have been working on linux and unix before, though. [12:39] Action: edman007 waves [12:39] firebird619: good.. you? [12:39] Action: firebird619 waves hello to edman007 [12:39] Action: stybla waves back [12:39] firebird619, today is the last day!!! [12:39] Dominian: doing great, thanks. [12:39] firebird619, good :) [12:39] edman007: sweet [12:39] will be better after tonight [12:40] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [12:40] smica (n=smica@h129-138.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0FA57.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0FA57.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:42] edman007: Congrats, you've survived college. :P [12:42] yea... [12:42] next is waiting for the grades [12:43] Action: edman007 checks for more [12:43] i'm wondering, do you get title after colledge? [12:43] Bachelor, perhaps ? [12:43] yea, BS in Electrical & Computer Engineering [12:44] i see. and Masters ? [12:44] yea..i will probably go for that, but i'm taking at least one year off to get money [12:44] oh, so colledge again, right? [12:44] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.15.136) left irc: ":wq" [12:44] yea [12:44] ok [12:45] takes about two years... [12:45] Hey ppl whats going on ? [12:45] but i think that is like two year at ~9 credits/semester, considering i'm doing 19 credits right now, i think i may be able to pull off a MS in less than two years [12:45] TheAlmighty: life sucks, but that ain't anything new. [12:46] clijunkie (i=1000@67.223.226.64) joined ##slackware. [12:46] TheAlmighty, hitest failed to deliver [12:46] hang him. [12:46] hang him from the highest masthead yarrr matey [12:46] skigil (n=skigil@209-33-175-201.ip.mcleodusa.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] hello [12:46] edman007:sad [12:46] eviljames, good idea [12:47] edman007: But whats hightest ? [12:47] pedro__ (i=1000@189.7.149.140) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Nick change: pedro__ -> fsteim [12:48] TheAlmighty: hitest is the nick of someone in here. [12:48] Why everyone stopped ? [12:48] TheAlmighty: i have some time to waste. [12:48] i have a HighPoint Rocket Raid 1742 hardware card, i can't seem to figure out how to use this card on an uninstalled system. i would like to know if anyone has any tips for me. This is their BIOS/Drivers page: http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA/bios_rr1740.htm [12:48] a beer truck is coming edman007: I will have your beer delivered to your doorstep by my cheerleaders......er associates:) [12:48] edman007: He's changed his name or he quit [12:49] TheAlmighty: hitest is still his nick, he's just not in here right now. [12:50] anyways, time for me to go, bye [12:50] edman007: Yeah I tried to ping and they returned failure [12:50] edman007: hf. [12:50] edman007: Bye [12:50] edman007: TC [12:50] you're still talking about beer delivery :( [12:50] edman007: how come your cheerleaders look like ex-gang members? [12:50] later edman007 [12:50] XGizzmo: :D [12:50] Ivo (n=ivo@77.76.51.32) left ##slackware. [12:51] Ppl I am new here [12:51] any bots runnin in here ? [12:51] boots, may be :P [12:51] no, at least not that you can use. [12:51] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:51] slackboy is a bot righ ? [12:51] :D [12:51] damn, i wanted to google for something, but i forgot what it was. [12:52] lol [12:52] "alzeihmers" [12:52] :\ [12:52] I do that all the time. [12:52] beatzz (n=beatzz@207-118-102-211.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Action: TheAlmighty Oh no stybla's gonna die [12:52] TheAlmighty: that's for sure. [12:53] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-193-149-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86-46-193-149-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] stybla : pray that its quick and easy... [12:53] Life is a terminal illness. [12:54] bravo XGizzmo [12:54] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [12:54] hey all, I got a linux problem, not slackware, but maby someone could help me out with it? [12:55] im working on my aunts laptop [12:55] stybla : you got what u 3got ? [12:55] which was dual boot windows xp / kubuntu 8.04 [12:55] but she asked me to reinstall the kubuntu side, so i did [12:55] echo Hello, world! [12:55] echo hello pri4pus [12:55] and now it wont get past boot loader [12:56] install LILO [12:56] How are you firebird619? :) [12:56] TheAlmighty: nah. :) [12:56] I am a newbie as a linux administrator... [12:56] do you know if it tried to install LILO? it will usually say at the end [12:56] TheAlmighty, how, i cant get into the computer unless i use the Kubuntu live CD [12:57] beatzz: and what's the error message? [12:57] pri4pus: doing great, thanks. you? [12:57] I am fine. Thak you! [12:57] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] stybla, let me restart her laptop, and i will post the error here [12:57] Action: stybla is doing bad, thanks for not asking :'( [12:57] lol, how are you stybla? :P [12:57] :] [12:58] stybla: How are you? [12:58] STYBLA how are ya man > [12:58] STYBLA how are ya man ? [12:58] oh my! :s [12:59] :) [12:59] ok [12:59] stybla, when i restart, it shows the CMOS screen, then go [12:59] then go's stright to a black screen [12:59] saying "Missing operating system" [13:00] and thats where it stays [13:00] haha, mising operating system. :P [13:00] that means ubuntu did not install the boot loader correctly [13:00] so back to LILO ? [13:00] I've got that message with windows many times. [13:00] TheAlmighty: i think *buntu is using grub. [13:00] thankfully now I'm on Linux, haven't seen it once. :) [13:00] no, I think ubuntu uses grub [13:00] Hey, is apache instaled by default in Linux? [13:00] ok [13:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:00] stybla: it does [13:00] I give up [13:01] firebird619: grub, or lilo? [13:01] grub = *ubuntus boot loader yes [13:01] pri4pus: not on all linux distros, no. on slackware, it is [13:01] stybla: grub [13:01] firebird: man XP shows NTLDR missing righ ? [13:01] so what do i do? [13:01] boot into the laptop via live CD? [13:01] beatzz: well, boot from *buntu live cd and ... i don't know? grub-setup ? [13:01] and edit some conf file or something [13:01] thrice': OK, but in pkgtool I see no apache... Can you help me configuring apache with PHP? [13:01] somebody experienced with grub come to live! [13:02] pri4pus: it's called "httpd" [13:02] he can download the grub righ ? [13:02] s/live/life/ [13:02] beatzz: yeah, you can boot a live cd, and then there's a way to reinstall the boot loader iirc. [13:02] iirc? [13:02] err, like grub or something I mean. In this case grub. [13:02] I have no clue with grub. if it was slack + lilo, it'd be a piece of cake [13:02] firebird619: my point was - somebody who knows the way :P [13:02] thrice': OK [13:02] beatzz: if I recall correctly. [13:03] beatzz: try commands beginning with grub- [13:03] or well, who knows what's in *buntu [i don't :\] [13:04] How's it going thrice`? [13:04] beatzz: check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 [13:04] beatzz: could try: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html [13:04] thrice': but when I follow instructions on this page http://md.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php , it is a litlle diferent. At point 10. there is no apxs in ./configure... [13:05] firebird619: good, you ? [13:05] had to be linux with stupid errors [13:05] gconvert.c:55:2: error: #error GNU libiconv not in use but included iconv.h is from libiconv [13:05] make[4]: *** [gconvert.lo] Error 1 [13:05] i did install libiconv why is there a stupid error [13:06] thats just senseless [13:06] pri4pus: you should not be compiling apache - slackware already ships with it [13:07] that's because you installed libiconv, you shouldn't have done that because glibc provides it too [13:08] psychicist: so how can i disable it or take it off [13:08] thrice': But at point 10. on that link I need to compile PHP not apache. [13:08] php ships with slackware too [13:08] clijunkie (i=1000@67.223.226.64) left ##slackware. [13:09] thrice': WAW! :) uuups [13:09] thrice': Thank you. [13:09] Hey what happened to beatzzz [13:09] How well does slackware work with touch screens anyone know? [13:09] masterx831: remove libiconv and re-install glibc, because the iconv.h header file has been overwritten [13:10] masterx831: uninstall it. Did you insatll it as a package or ./configure make install way? if the second, there is usually a make uninstall in most programs. [13:10] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:10] pri4pus: of course :) googling for "apache php slackware" might show some great tutorials [13:10] so i'm curious, does anyone have experience with hardware RAID? [13:10] lf4: i would assume it works as well as you can make it work. [13:10] skigil: most of us do in here. [13:10] ./configure make way [13:10] ok let me check [13:10] masterx831: go in the source dir and do a make uninstall [13:10] thrice': Thank you again and sorry for stupid questions. [13:11] ok [13:12] i'm curious to know what you had to do for a fresh intall for hardware raid? how did you get the card's drivers to work before you did the slackware installation? [13:13] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [13:14] thrice`: doing great, thank you. [13:14] Hey agentc0re|work, how's it going? [13:15] the problem i'm having is that the cfdisk (or fdisk) on the slackware installation disk does not recognize my hardware card. [13:15] skigil (n=skigil@209-33-175-201.ip.mcleodusa.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:16] skigil (n=skigil@209-33-175-201.ip.mcleodusa.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] sorry, my software sucks :) [13:17] :x no luck [13:18] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [13:18] TheAlmighty, i was working on laptop [13:18] see why slackware is better! [13:18] anyways, the vendor i chose for my hardware raid card has a page that has "preinstall" drivers for their card. but they have every choice BUT slackware. choices are: fed core, rhel/centOS, SuSe, Ubuntu, Debian, FreeBSD [13:18] thrice`, yes [13:19] most of the time, it could be easy to fix anyway, but I am not sure with grub [13:19] floorislava (n=nnscript@112.79.249.216.dsl.dyn.smithvilledsl.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] she just HAS to keep her windows xp side...... [13:19] guys how to configure mouse [13:19] ? [13:20] i know how to do a dual boot clean install [13:20] but reconfiguring the boot loader [13:20] :x no experence there [13:20] slackware uses lilo, which is easier to reinstall [13:21] well, easier for me personally, as I have no clue with grub :) [13:21] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-97-242.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:21] beatzz: try www.linuxquestions.org you'll get help there [13:21] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.97.242) joined ##slackware. [13:21] i agree lilo > grub [13:21] beatzz: this should work, though: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows [13:22] i dident reinstall windows [13:22] i reinstalled kubuntu [13:22] see she had XP / Kubuntu [13:22] but she upgraded to newest version of Ku* [13:22] yes, but that guide fixes the bootloader, if it gets messed up (like installing windows afterwards) [13:22] dident like it, wanted me to get her back to Ku* 8.04 [13:23] so i did, and now bootloaded is screwed [13:23] ahh i see [13:23] i will read it [13:24] Urchlay_ (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] guys how to configure mouse via shell ? [13:25] which file to be edited ? [13:26] TheAlmighty: you probably want /etc/X11/xorg.conf [13:27] TheAlmighty: if it's mouse in terminal, then gpm ;) [13:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:27] skigil (n=skigil@209-33-175-201.ip.mcleodusa.net) left irc: "booya!" [13:29] my scroller aint working [13:29] thrice`, it looks like that last link you provided may do the trick [13:29] :) [13:30] im gana have to paypal you like 20 bucks for helping me :P [13:30] well, i'm at work, so it's either help someone who is interrested in learnign slackware, or do my job [13:31] i'll help the community [13:31] unless your a male prostitute [13:31] I don't think so. if I am, I'm doing a bad job at it ;) [13:32] ok, nevermind [13:32] it dident work [13:32] gave me the same "Error 15: File not found" [13:33] holy shit [13:33] now the kids are walking out as a protest [13:33] for both 'find /boot/grub/stage1' and '/grub/stage1' [13:33] beatzz: hm, do you have anything in /boot ? [13:33] yes [13:33] but its on another machine, so i cant copy/paste [13:34] but not grub, or stage ? [13:34] no [13:34] nothing grub or stage1 related [13:35] thrice`: Hey, that's my dilemma too. Help someone who is learning slackware, or do my job. [13:35] that's strange, the liveCD should definitely have grub stuff in /boot [13:35] this places is nuts right now... the entire school is emptying out [13:35] well, it IS friday [13:36] LAUSD protests [13:36] lausd? [13:36] http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-teachers15-2009may15,0,4932443.story [13:36] Los Angeles Unified School District? [13:36] yeah [13:36] :) [13:37] i'm at los angeles high [13:37] all i have to do is pray [13:37] :-( [13:37] I hate to be unsympathetic, but ... really? [13:37] The teachers are doing a walk out over pay cuts? [13:37] floorislava (n=nnscript@112.79.249.216.dsl.dyn.smithvilledsl.net) left ##slackware. [13:37] pay cuts, increase in class size, and firings [13:38] According to that article, there's not even a plan in place to cut any budget, it's just 'potential budget cuts' [13:38] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:38] hey can we simply edit the xconf file using a text editor [13:38] ? [13:38] TheAlmighty: yessir! [13:38] eviljames: keep in mind that arnold is cutting ~300mil in education budget [13:38] Necos: He's the EDUNATOR [13:38] so there _ARE_ budget cuts [13:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:38] LAUSD just hasn't proposed how they're going to make those cuts [13:39] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] TheAlmighty: you'll probably have to do so as root if you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly [13:39] UTLA is about as scary as AFL-CIO lol [13:39] Hey, in which case is necesary to start apache, mysql and php at boot time? [13:39] Necos: Do gym teachers make as much as science teachers in LAUSD? [13:39] eviljames: some make more [13:39] i have no more nails to bite [13:39] 'cause they "rainbow" (work year round) [13:40] Necos: That's disgusting. [13:40] Necos: Cut all $300M from the gym budget [13:40] so if I want to enable the scroll feature I jus add the line *Option "XAxisMapping" "N1 N2" * under the mouse and keyboard section ? [13:40] eviljames: and people will claim LAUSD is making their kids fat [13:41] They're already fat. [13:41] well, some maybe are anyway. :P [13:41] thrice`, Im just reinstalling Kubuntu again on the original partitions, and praying it will get the MBR corrected. [13:41] i know that [13:41] All we can hope for is that they don't leave the school stupid too. [13:41] beatzz: good luck. :) [13:41] lol eviljames [13:41] whoo hoo its works [13:42] masterx831: yay!@! [13:42] thanks, if it dosent work, i will be right where im at right now anywaz [13:42] congrats masterx831 [13:42] so it cant hurt [13:42] pri4pus: I don't quite follow what you mean? [13:42] pri4pus: Do you mean: How do you start Apache / Mysql at boot time? [13:42] and im following this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html [13:42] pri4pus: Or do you mean: Why would you want to start apache/mysql at boot time? [13:42] eviljames: secon one. [13:42] eviljames: Second one. [13:43] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] eviljames: Why would I want to start them at boot time? [13:44] pri4pus: So that if you reboot your server they come back up automatically, interrupting service as little as possible. [13:44] At the very least, anyhow [13:44] Also so that the services are available immediately after the machine starts up, no human intervention required. [13:46] eviljames: ok now that i have glib install i was doing gtk and another error Requested 'cairo >= 1.6' but version of cairo is 1.4.14 [13:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-135-48.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [13:46] I think we know what happens next then! [13:46] masterx831: Is there not a package for cairo-1.6.x ? [13:46] i'am going to check but why do we need to upgrade if linux is not about upgrading [13:47] eviljames: Thank you. [13:47] Well, odds are the program you're running uses features that are present in cairo 1.6 that are not present in cairo 1.4 [13:47] masterx831: It's not to say that you /never/ need to upgrade, just that once things are stable you shouldn't need to (barring security reasons, of course) [13:47] who said linux isn't about upgrading ? :( it doesn't *have* to be, but surely it's good practice [13:47] s/have/need/ :P [13:48] I have cairo 1.6.4. Update your system masterx831. [13:49] It's about upgrading when you are trying to use newer programs with older software. :P [13:50] slackpkg install beer [13:50] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Oh man, this pc's seen better days: http://gizmodo.com/5254625/ibm-pc-with-windows-311-48633mhz-processor-for-500-get-it-while-its-hot [13:51] Action: agentc0re|work is still waiting for that to work... [13:51] agentc0re|work: you're doing it wrong. [13:51] agentc0re|work: slackpkg inject heroin [13:51] Then you won't have to wait [13:51] firebird619: holy bleeding crap [13:51] haha [13:52] SWEET it comes with SimCity AND wolf3d!! [13:52] This is a steal of a deal at ANY PRICE! [13:52] Though I think it's a troll. A 486 with only 384K of extended ram? [13:52] That seems a little low, from my recollection, my 286 had that much ram [13:53] I just get the feeling that the explanation for that is: "The thing wouldn't boot and I got angry and I got a hammer and....." [13:53] firebird619: HAHAH, thats great! [13:53] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:53] It's getting laughs around the office now.. that's good [13:53] I like when cubes chuckle randomly [13:53] eviljames: So when using linux we upgrade when it's needed [13:54] I can track who is sending what to who by listening to where laughter sprouts in the office next [13:54] masterx831: Yeah, I guess that's fair to say. [13:54] Will it play WoW? :P hahaha [13:54] Action: agentc0re|work does not play that awful game [13:54] masterx831: But you're getting into pretty nebulous territory there, because "when it's needed" varies from person to person. Fortunately, with Slackware, the system is /yours/ to decide when it is needed. [13:56] masterx831: /win 4 [13:56] crap [13:56] :( [13:56] hahahah [13:56] heh, the listing got flagged. [13:56] lol [13:56] I made some changes in the xorg.conf file. But I didn't notice any change after that. [13:56] firebird619: /fail :P [13:56] that was FAIL [13:56] agentc0re|work: I know. Happens to the BEST of us. :P [13:57] firebird619: :D yes it does. [13:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [13:57] TheAlmighty: did you restart X afterwards? [13:59] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.52) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:59] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] eviljames: Ok. [14:01] TheAlmighty: When you make changes to xorg.conf, you need to logout and in again for those changes to take affect. [14:02] firebird619: thanx [14:03] you're welcome [14:04] AzA (i=afawaz@ner-as12811.alshamil.net.ae) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Necos: How's the walkout going? [14:06] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) left irc: "Leaving" [14:07] I remember my high school had a walkout over a teacher being let go. He was a great one too. [14:08] TheAlmighty (n=root@117.196.133.50) joined ##slackware. [14:09] clear [14:09] clear? [14:09] Na was tryin the command forgot the slash [14:09] lol [14:09] Can i just install lilo over grub??? [14:09] from the live CD [14:10] #kubuntu 's guides dont do a damn thing [14:10] once it's installed to the mbr, i think it overwrites grub. [14:10] TheAlmighty (n=root@117.196.133.50) left irc: Client Quit [14:10] grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 [14:11] Error 15: File not found [14:11] eviljames: they already let the kids out [14:11] grub> find /grub/stage1 [14:11] Error 15: File not found [14:11] beatzz: Use lilo [14:11] create a decent lilo.conf [14:11] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [14:11] then run lilo -C ~/lilo.conf [14:11] how [14:12] from a live CD? [14:12] isn't there a lilo.conf example in the docs? [14:12] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:12] well i have a sample in my Linux+ book [14:12] but even then, Kubuntu' [14:13] slackware has liloconfig util, just run that. [14:13] but even then, Kubuntu's live CD dosent have lilo on it [14:13] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-69-236-104-85.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] .. wait, you're not using slackware? Or are you trying to dual boot them? [14:13] agentc0re|work: he's got XP, Kubuntu dual boot [14:13] right now, i am on my laptop [14:13] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) joined ##slackware. [14:13] slackware [14:13] solo [14:13] beatzz: Off of the live cd, run sudo apt-get install lilo [14:13] but im working on another laptop [14:14] it should install it to the virtual disk that's there [14:14] Ugh, apt-get :( [14:14] :P [14:14] which is supposed to be Windows XP / Kubuntu 8.04 [14:14] then you can create a lilo.conf file, and lilo -C it [14:14] ok sweetness [14:14] that sounds ez enough [14:15] beatzz: may the source be with you in your quest. :) [14:15] right now, i am on my laptop, which is slackware only. but im working on another laptop which is supposed to be Windows XP / Kubuntu 8.04 [14:16] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-170-205-43.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:16] thanks firebird619 :) [14:16] compile long and propser ? [14:16] lol [14:16] im will attain slack guru status like you all soon! [14:16] beatzz: You will! [14:16] s/propser/prosper [14:16] while (awake) { code; [14:16] beatzz: You're on the right track. I recall not long ago telling firebird619 the same thing. [14:16] Look at him now! [14:17] beatzz: You will, it takes time. :) [14:17] and READING. [14:17] Lots and lots and lots of reading. [14:17] tru that [14:17] indeed and agreed. [14:17] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] im studying CompTIA's Linux+ cert. [14:17] sweet [14:17] Cool. I should do that someday [14:17] about 80% through the book [14:17] with about 50% of that retained [14:18] Ogl (n=mong@189.6.173.111) joined ##slackware. [14:18] beatzz: When you want to learn networking, find the O'Reilly crab book [14:18] Ogl (n=mong@189.6.173.111) left ##slackware. [14:18] i may have it on pdf actualy [14:18] havent read it yet. [14:18] http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596002978/ [14:18] O'Reilly sounds familure [14:18] That one. [14:19] O'Reilly is a huge publisher of good tech books [14:19] nice [14:20] well while this is downloading lilo, which is better ext3 or reiserfs :P [14:20] depends on your needs. [14:20] from what I know, Reiserfs is fast and good on smaller files, prefererrably text-based [14:20] just a joke, or an attempt to start a heated debate. [14:20] :p [14:20] (I could be wrong, never used it) [14:20] oh heh [14:20] bijit_ (n=benji@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [14:20] I could get drawn in to that easily [14:20] because I stand behind ext3 for universal support, and xfs for my /home :P [14:21] ext3 > * [14:21] is there a Cisco Packet tracer or something better that works on slack? [14:21] imho [14:21] ZFS FTW!!! [14:21] :P [14:21] in OSOL that is. [14:21] firebird619: +++++++infinity++++++ [14:21] ok, so i just ran "sudo apt-get install lilo" [14:21] you just won yourself TWO internets, firebird619 [14:21] now i need to manualy create my lilo.conf file? [14:21] bijit_: you mean like traceroute? [14:21] Sweet. [14:21] beatzz: man lilo.conf :P [14:22] thanks :) [14:22] beatzz: this is where the reading part comes into play. :) [14:22] i allwaz forget man is good for files too, not just commands [14:22] some files, anyhow. [14:22] afaik, there's no man rc.d [14:22] right [14:22] no packet tracer...for designing networks [14:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:23] http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/netacad/course_catalog/PacketTracer.html [14:24] ok brb, gana read 'man lilo.conf' top to bottom [14:25] but it looks confusing :x [14:25] It's not that bad, I don't think [14:25] beatzz: it isn't that bad really. [14:25] To someone new it may look daunting, but it's really not. [14:25] can i just copy/paste most of this as default? or will i need to rewrite it all [14:25] to specify this exact laptop [14:26] Is there some other way to read the variables set in a file, besides using the source command? [14:26] There are a few key lines that you'll want to make sure are accurate to the machine [14:26] Shingoshi: like... grep? :P [14:26] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-025-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:26] ok, im gana read it [14:26] wish me luck all [14:26] :x [14:26] eviljames: Didn't think of that! [14:26] I'll try it now. [14:27] bijit_: I hadn't seen such a thing before... seems neat. Depending on the size of your network, it might be overkill no? [14:29] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:30] i guess : 0.o [14:31] firebird619, should i cp/paste the example lilo.conf from 'man lilo.conf' or write my own? [14:32] im gana use the example in my Linux+ book [14:32] what are you trying to do? Slackware has lilo.conf file [14:32] it looks less complicated [14:32] not working on a slackware laptop [14:33] antiwire: XP/Kubuntu dual boot on his aunt's laptop. 15 File not found error. [14:33] ... [14:33] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Doesn't Kubuntu use grub by default? [14:33] yea [14:33] but it dosent work atm [14:34] "Missing operating system" [14:34] antiwire: yes, but he's trying to replace that with lilo now. [14:34] so im goin lilo, cause lilos pimper anyhow [14:34] silasgtcs (n=silasgtc@189.115.241.175) joined ##slackware. [14:35] eviljames: That doesn't work as I need it to. I need to read the value of a specific variable, by name. [14:36] if this dosent work [14:36] im just gana do a total reinstall [14:36] xp / kubuntu [14:36] antiwire: welcome to #omfglmao, enjoy your stay. [14:36] Using grep gives all occurences of the variable. [14:36] http://use.perl.org/~nicholas/journal/38982 [14:36] chopp: lol [14:36] chopp: How's it going? [14:37] firebird619: not bad, and yourself? [14:37] chopp: doing great, thanks. [14:38] chopp: Got a different conky done now. works better than the other one and doesn't drag the system down. [14:38] cuz we're pimper [14:38] Action: Shingoshi needs to read a Makefile to get the version of the package being built. [14:39] grep doesn't work. [14:39] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.36.137) left irc: "leaving" [14:39] firebird619: did you get root-tail fixed up? [14:40] chopp: nah, it still flickers, haven't really messed with it much more yet. [14:41] Shingoshi: which package? [14:41] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] why not use the version number in the directory name? [14:42] heh, i suppose `pwd` might work :P [14:42] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.115.77.36) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:43] Jean (n=jean@93-36-227-55.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:43] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) left irc: "Leaving" [14:43] wow this is slow and long... [14:43] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl12-88-28.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:43] TheAlmighty_ (n=root@117.196.133.50) joined ##slackware. [14:44] beatzz: you expect it to be quick and fast? :P [14:44] Nick change: TheAlmighty_ -> TheAlmighty [14:44] who knows if what im typeing into lilo.conf is gana do anything at all [14:44] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] well i just dont know what the heck im writeing [14:44] just whats on this page. [14:44] maybe pastebin it first :P [14:44] silasgtcs (n=silasgtc@189.115.241.175) left irc: "Leaving" [14:44] i will [14:45] let you guru's examine it. [14:45] beatzz: I've been out of the action for long. Did you solve your problem brother ? [14:45] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:46] TheAlmighty, nope [14:46] TheAlmighty, i have 'sudo apt-get install lilo' [14:46] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] TheAlmighty, and am now creating a lilo.conf file [14:46] I think what ppl are sayin is right [14:46] TheAlmighty, for the first time in my life. [14:46] hmmm, is there a gtk-based mc-style file manager? [14:46] beatzz, what distro are u talking about ? [14:47] DeeeeP: Kubuntu. [14:47] eviljames: Kernel Makefile from git download. [14:47] beatzz: I think LILO is not for *ubuntu [14:47] DeeeeP, I know its not [14:47] http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=3 [14:47] and who's providing help ? [14:47] TheAlmighty, i know its not [14:47] beatzz: I think you should use GRUB itself. [14:47] but Grub wont work [14:47] ^ [14:47] cause this is not kubuntu [14:47] Action: pi31415 grins at the troll-bait article [14:47] DeeeeP, a few good men [14:47] beatzz: don't you think that you might be better off seeking help in an ubuntu or kubuntu channel? [14:48] eviljames: The kernel makefile gives all of the necessary version numbers to build the kernel. [14:48] beatzz: did you try reinstalling the grub ? [14:48] Nick change: arno -> Arno[Slack] [14:48] TheAlmighty: n=root?! [14:48] antiwire, i am, they dont help [14:48] TheAlmighty, yes it wouldent work [14:48] TheAlmighty: You should *not* be on irc as root. [14:48] beatzz, then change distro , some that fits you right [14:48] DeeeeP: It's his aunt's laptop [14:48] TheAlmighty, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub dosent work [14:48] i think freenode kicks you if you're root [14:48] DeeeeP, this is someone elses laptop [14:49] firebird619: How to change ? [14:49] DeeeeP, i am trying to help them [14:49] Necos: I've always thought that was bad policy [14:49] DeeeeP, my laptop is slackware, and it pwntz [14:49] TheAlmighty: You log in to your pc as a normal user, not root. [14:49] this is making me sick [14:49] antiwire: :) [14:49] logout [14:49] i dont see lilo working for grub [14:49] oxycodone? [14:49] ? [14:49] i just threw up in my mouth a little [14:49] grub must work [14:49] Necos: for example, any old mirc user could set their user name to root [14:49] entire session ? [14:49] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] TheAlmighty: yup. [14:50] Here goes [14:50] TheAlmighty (n=root@117.196.133.50) left irc: "leaving" [14:50] pi31415: then they're a fuckin moron ^_^ [14:50] Necost: I've known of people with the last name "root" [14:50] -t [14:50] Necos: I guess there is no arguing against that logic of yours [14:52] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) joined ##slackware. [14:52] I'm back [14:52] TheAlmighty: there ya go. [14:52] ok guys [14:52] much better [14:52] ok beatzz [14:52] i think i have a finished lilo.conf [14:52] :O [14:52] firebird619: But how did you guys find that ? [14:52] where can i pastebin it? [14:53] THINK key word [14:53] pastebin.slackadelic.com beatzz [14:53] you really asked that didn't you? [14:53] hi antiwire [14:53] antiwire: I dint see you log in. :) [14:53] TheAlmighty: We can tell by the message when you join, for you it was: TheAlmighty_ (Mahesh Mohan) (n=root@117.196.133.50) has joined ##slackware [14:53] antiwire, i havent used irc since Unreal Tournament 1999 [14:53] TheAlmighty: see the n=root part? [14:53] antiwire, i havent used irc since Unreal Tournament 1999 dident use pastebins :P [14:54] beatzz: so not using IRC has something to do with not using google? [14:54] irc != google :P [14:54] firebird619: Yeah. But I was root all along.... [14:54] ok let me refrase [14:54] ive never used pastebins befor [14:54] How's it going antiwire? [14:54] sorry [14:54] firebird619: Guess I've got loads to learn about IRC too [14:55] TheAlmighty: yeah, it's just it wasn't noticed right away. Being on irc as root isn't a good practice, just as logging into your pc as root isn't good practice. [14:56] firebird619: Currently I am configuring my slackware but not being root how can I configure it ? [14:56] TheAlmighty: You use root for root tasks and a user for everything else. [14:56] http://www.pastebin.slackadelic.com/13751 [14:56] ^ my lilo.conf [14:57] beatzz: there is no www there... [14:57] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13751 [14:57] TheAlmighty: Well, if you're configuring, for example xorg.conf earlier, it is better to use a terminal and get root privileges via su or su - [14:57] as opposed to logging in as root [14:57] antiwire: How ? Can you login multiple users at the same time in the same system ? [14:58] anyone have the cyanide caps ready? [14:58] firebird619: Ok [14:58] I'll be back [14:58] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) left irc: "leaving" [14:58] TheAlmighty, Ctrl+alt+ f2-f6 ? [14:58] antiwire: I'm sure someone does. :P [14:58] beatzz: he left [14:59] indeed [14:59] so hows this look? [14:59] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13751 [14:59] pssh it errored me [14:59] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) joined ##slackware. [15:00] _juan (n=juan@190.75.78.58) joined ##slackware. [15:00] Back again [15:00] for one thing, you have a spelling error, it's splash instead of spash [15:00] f* it im gana whip the thing clean [15:00] beatzz: initrd should probably be "/boot/initrd.gz" [15:00] for a Kubuntu? [15:01] thrice`: We'd all think that too but apparently he's using kubuntu and apparently ##slackware now supports kubuntu [15:01] ok antiwire i'll shut up. [15:01] oh, no clue. [15:01] i don't know when that happened [15:01] sorry for annoying you apparently. [15:01] eh, nothing else is going on [15:02] someone in here had mentioned cheap eeepc's, i think...looking for link? [15:02] ktebit (n=rhelis@77.42.139.242) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Hi there, I am looking for a simple way to put a few hosts in my network in a QOS "jail", basically I just want to limit a few hosts so they will never reach more than Xkbps... The online documentation doesn't look updated and in any case - provides too much information for what I hope would be a simple task... [15:03] Anyone? [15:06] we support kubuntu? why? [15:07] im using slackware [15:07] ktebit, not you [15:07] any idea? [15:07] it's not a simple task [15:08] what should I do? [15:08] Hello everyone.. I am insalling slackware as a second OS and dedicating 70 GB for that.. as a multimedia user with downloads and and.. what could be the suggested slicing ? Would appreciate a hint or URL.. [15:09] ktebit: better ask this kind of thing in linuxquestions.org where people have more time to think it over ahd *you* have a better opportunity to draw a picture of your gateway [15:09] mm, I would do 10 GB for /, and the rest for /home [15:09] _juan (n=juan@190.75.78.58) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] alienBOB, can you give me some guidance? [15:10] thrice`, what about /opt, /usr, ... ? [15:10] ktebit: nope [15:10] antiwire: Hey are you free ? Coz I've installed and extracted the firmware for my Wifi. [15:10] wont that affect performance if I sum all under home ? [15:11] well, I assume you'd store alot of the results in /home [15:11] umislack (i=1000@58.64.91.58) joined ##slackware. [15:11] your assumption is correct [15:11] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:11] firebird619: Hey what is the danger if you login as root in IRC ? [15:11] I don't see a point in separating /usr or (especially) /opt [15:12] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: "-r" [15:12] performance wise wont have anything ? this is my concern.. [15:12] why would there be? :) [15:13] Aza give us an example of where you think performance will be hurt by using less partitions [15:13] :) [15:13] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:13] evening gang :-) [15:13] The only thing to *not* forget is that you must create a swap partition right from the start [15:13] alienBOB I dont have any.. I have no clue.. [15:13] which is 2 to 3 times the RAM [15:14] TheAlmighty: If there is a flaw with your client and something manages to exploit the flaw, an attacker can possibly gain access to the system with the privileges that your client was running with. Also, since you are logged in as root, anything you are doing, downloading, or executing is being run as root too. [15:14] maybe - how much ram do you have ? [15:14] 2 GB, thrice` [15:15] Aza the "swap should be twice the RAM" is something from the long gone past [15:15] TheAlmighty: http://tinyurl.com/qjr2lh [15:15] A swap bigger than RAM will only benefit if you have a laptop you want to hibernate [15:16] oh [15:16] then 2 GB should be enough [15:16] Oh yes [15:17] firebird619: Hey I did that just after I asked you.. And got my answer before I saw your link. :P [15:17] personally, I'd do 2 GB for swap, 10 gb for /, and the rest for /home [15:17] thank you .. that was enough and clear [15:17] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:17] firebird619: Thanks for the link mate. :) [15:18] unless you knowingly will exceed 10 GB of software. it's usually pretty safe [15:18] alienBOB: should I use slackware htb ? [15:18] I know that this is not a PHP channel but can comebody recommend me a good PHP editor? [15:18] chopp: Thanks for the link mate. :) [15:18] more than 10 GB of software means a test machine [15:18] Do I need a PHP editor or it is enough a text editor? [15:19] hi guys:) [15:20] thanks alot.. [15:20] thats enough to start going [15:20] hi Lexus1 [15:21] pri4pus: you just need a plain-text editor [15:22] re, swap and hibernation: odds are pretty good that unless you tell your laptop to hibernate in the middle of a huge blender rendering job, 500MB of swap will be able to hold the content of the RAM.. a) the kernel drops all memory caches prior to hibernation. b) the memory image is compressed before out on disk c) the kernelspace itself is not put on disk [15:22] Can anyone help me out with my wifi installation ? [15:22] alien's wifi page is good [15:22] I've downloaded the firmware I extracted it [15:23] p131415: any link ? [15:23] you'll need to tell us which card, firmware, etc [15:24] google "alien slackware wifi" [15:24] I've got the firmware with me. [15:25] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] I want somebody to guide the installation process as I am new to administering a linux system [15:25] nessundorma (n=mike@host169-56-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:26] wow [15:26] TheAlmighty: _after_ you have read that wiki article, there may be help here [15:26] You want a truck but you got a truck tire.. Time to gird your loins, climb inside, and roll down that hill. [15:26] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [15:26] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:27] So far I have only seen you asking, without any sign of actually trying to read & learn [15:27] This is ##slackware so we expect more from you [15:27] pi31415:goodone [15:27] Hi alienBOB. How are you? [15:27] Start with telling what kind of card you have [15:27] alienBOB: may be thats because this is my firstday with slackware [15:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:27] Is it PCI? USB? What is the PCI ID? [15:28] TheAlmighty: do not expect hand holding in this channel. It will backfire on you [15:29] alienBOB: my computer detect it as USB but its PCI [15:29] Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller [15:30] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [15:30] alienBOB: after all the days googling and asking i found out that the linux deiver is not available yet [15:31] antiwire: Thank you! [15:32] TheAlmighty: if you want to go ndiswrapper read this too http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:ndiswrapper [15:32] By the way, help me to choose between emacs and vim. Which one is better. Actually as far as I know emacs has a lot of features like shell, games, plug-in... the thing I don't really like. [15:32] I had to modify my kernel to get 16k stacks to use ndiswrapper with one of my cards [15:33] I am an addept of the KISS principle. Why to complicate a text editor. [15:33] pri4pus: which is better, islam or catholicism? [15:33] alienBOB: I tried ndiswrapper too but that too didn't work [15:33] No one. Orthodoxism! [15:33] :) [15:33] TheAlmighty: you tried, what guide did you use? [15:33] pri4pus: then nvi is for you [15:34] vim at least has syntax highlighting pri4pus [15:34] Action: alienBOB uses vim all the time [15:34] I use vim all of the time too, but I am collecting a list of annoyances [15:34] vim is awesome [15:35] alienBOB: A guy named Xavier in the forum named linuxquestions.org gave me some links. [15:35] alienBOB: I like this feature a lot. And I am using right now vim for my jobs. [15:36] But I heared that a lot of programmers use emacs. [15:36] Sorry not jobs but tasks. :) [15:36] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.22) joined ##slackware. [15:37] I read years ago that emacs has its own internal character representation instead of unicode [15:37] pi31415: So Nvi is vim? [15:38] nvi is a clone of bill joy's vi [15:38] On their page I have found just a link to vi, [15:38] it is somewhat similar to the plain vi that you get on old proprietary unix [15:40] I think I will keep using vim. It is really nice. At this point emacs is like another OS for me. [15:45] And after some reading moments I just love vim. No, I am crazy about vim! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war [15:45] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:48] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:50] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Guys its been fun... [15:51] will be seeing ya all tomo... [15:51] TheAlmighty: question for you [15:51] TheAlmighty: Why do they call it taking a dump? [15:52] Aren't you really LEAVING a dump? [15:52] I dint get the second question [15:52] heh [15:52] nevermind, it was a poo joke. [15:52] ya thas y i replied it like that [15:52] :P [15:53] hahahaha [15:53] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:53] ROFL [15:53] Its 2 am here in INDIA [15:53] eviljames: for the record, I got the joke. :P [15:53] OH [15:53] I gotta sleep [15:53] have fun! [15:53] or, well, I guess rest up! [15:54] HF [15:54] Good night TheAlmighty [15:54] firebird619: You like that one? [15:54] Good Night ##slackware [15:54] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "BRB" [15:54] eviljames: heh, yeah that was good. I assume you have more? :P [15:54] will be back after 10hrs [15:54] firebird619: Question for you. [15:54] TheAlmighty (n=almighty@117.196.133.50) left ##slackware ("Wanna sleep."). [15:54] tTomorrow tell us what LQ thread that was TheAlmighty [15:54] Yeah... [15:54] firebird619: Why is it that when I pick my nose it's full again in a few minutes? [15:55] dirt and mucus [15:55] ;) [15:55] Action: firebird619 thinks [15:55] It was mostly rhetorical, there's no punch line coming [15:55] kama_ (n=kama@host199-31-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:55] eviljames: that's a good question eviljames [15:55] (I must be the only person alive who remembers specific scenes from the Beavis & Butthead tv show) [15:55] s/eviljames// [15:55] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:56] eviljames: That was a good show. [15:56] i enjoyed it. [15:56] although too many music videos in between [15:56] They take all the good stuff of the tv and replace it with crap. [15:56] i dont know if that was just MTV's addon or not [15:56] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-219-196.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:56] but the cartoon half of the show kicked ass [15:56] firebird619: s/eviljames//2 iirc [15:57] firebird619: what tv? [15:57] kama_ (n=kama@host199-31-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [15:57] firebird619: to replace only the 2nd instance, instead your sentence comes out as": that's a good question eviljames" [15:57] eviljames: oops [15:57] firebird619: and i must note i know only "free" tv ;( [15:57] firebird619: Just trying to aid on your sed-fu [15:57] eviljames: thanks. :) [15:57] ahhh percocet :D [15:58] what a great reward for injuring your body [15:58] hah! So true. [15:58] 10/325 Oxycodone/Acetomethophran [15:59] fun fun fun [15:59] beatzz: do you have some drugs? [15:59] a few [15:59] cut the tendons/nerv in my left hands fingrs [15:59] around 4/11 [15:59] doing much better now [15:59] beatzz: ouch, how? [16:00] stabed a kitchen knife into the wall, hand slid up the blade when it hit the stud [16:00] :/ [16:00] anger/stupidity [16:00] you should only stab things with a knife that has a hand guard [16:00] beatzz: who was the original target? anyway, sounds familiar... [16:00] yikes, hope you heal up soon. [16:01] the wound is healed [16:01] just need physical therapy to move fingers again [16:01] for about 6 weeks [16:01] beatzz: and... what did you learn? :P [16:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-139.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] get a hand guard [16:01] dont get dumb w/ a knife in hand [16:02] or, use the apropriate knife [16:02] and i learned how to type hella good one handed [16:02] (i cut my writing hand to add insult to injury) [16:02] like this one http://www.thompsonoutdoors.com/images/kabar5inchblackfighting.jpg [16:03] that's a decent guard, it will prevent hand slippage onto the blade [16:03] im gana find the knife online [16:03] show yall the pic [16:04] http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Chicago%20Cutlery%20Forum%20Taper%20Grind%20Knife:2003702465 [16:04] the one on the right [16:04] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:05] yeah that's no good for stabbings [16:05] indeed [16:05] i was in a rage somewhat. [16:05] first thing i saw to grab [16:05] beatzz: oh my... [16:06] This is my valuable lesson to all of you [16:06] for all te valuable lessons u have given me the past few days [16:06] good for stabbing a laptop with xp and kbuntu installed. :P [16:06] Dont play w/ knifes when ur mad [16:06] seriously [16:06] its amazing what you can do w/ a working hand [16:07] I've stabbed a keyboard in anger before [16:07] that you CANT do w/o it [16:07] it was awesome [16:07] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:07] i took a 4D maglite and fixed a tower once [16:07] i fixed it all over the place [16:08] chopp: :D [16:08] tower? [16:08] server? [16:08] tower as in like a server? [16:08] straterra: i used to have radiator for teaching kbds how to behave ;) [16:08] radiator? [16:08] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-47-31.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:08] antiwire: 4D maglite ? [16:09] stybla: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/maglite%204d.jpg [16:09] stybla, http://www.aktive8.com/prodimages/medium-Maglite4D.jpg [16:09] straterra: radiator of central heating sys. ;) [16:09] ktebit (n=rhelis@77.42.139.242) left ##slackware. [16:09] antiwire, beatzz > ah. [16:09] antiwire: is it worth of investment? [16:10] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.123.22) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:10] totally [16:10] stybla: just make sure to get the 3watt LED version [16:10] not the incandescent [16:10] Maglites > * flash light [16:10] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:10] i have a couple of the old ones [16:10] love em [16:10] they are like the slackware of flashlights [16:10] macavity: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/commit/?id=8b8e20e0f9900fae23baee55a91533a739c1a3ec ;) [16:10] antiwire: i mean for its original use, not smashing thigs :) [16:10] I got a set of decent maglights from costco. [16:10] even the old incandescents work great but I get much better battery life out of the 3watt led [16:11] antiwire: okay :) [16:12] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@173-86-28-26.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] uggh [16:14] not feelin too good [16:14] too much [16:15] gtl (n=gtl@mail.quad.inf.br) joined ##slackware. [16:15] that's what you get for abusing the drugs [16:15] it's all fun and games until you over do it [16:15] need help installing LotusNotes 8.5 for linux [16:15] State your problem [16:15] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:16] no .tar.gz packages, only .deb and .rpm [16:16] antiwire: Then you end up face down in a puddle, asphyxiating on your own vomit :( [16:16] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] gtl: rpm2tgz [16:16] lol [16:16] or make a slackbuil [16:16] slackbuild [16:16] rpm2tgz does not work [16:16] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:16] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] i mean, the resulting .tgz installs but does not work [16:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:17] thrice`: nice :-) [16:18] nessundorma (n=mike@host169-56-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:18] gtl: can you be slightly more descriptive than "does not work" ? [16:18] ie: 'binary doesn't run' or 'complains about missing library' [16:18] thrice`: this, added with the vsync patch (i dont know if it got into .29.3, havent checked), should make it tollerable with xserver 1.4 [16:19] Hey macavity. How are you? [16:19] good, you? [16:19] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:19] doing great, thank you. :) [16:19] 1.4??? :( [16:20] thrice`: it doesnt look like we are going to get 1.6.1 with the next release [16:20] bc_rich (n=warlock@f048255008.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:20] wait.. [16:20] Action: macavity checks the changelog [16:20] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:21] there's still time ;) [16:21] hopefully he'll do that, but just hold off on the libxcb mess [16:22] where is the slack locale stuff kept? [16:23] just finished rpm2tgz package.rpm and now have the package.rpm file [16:24] installing now with installpkg [16:25] thrice`: that will need fixing too iirc [16:25] macavity: well, only if it's updated to 1.2. all of the new xorg stuff will live and work happily against libxcb 1.1 [16:26] ah, ok [16:26] aniscreen (n=anigma@232.80-203-68.nextgentel.com) left irc: "All the BitchX that's fit to print!" [16:26] otherwise, if it's updated to 1.2, (basically) anything compiled against libx11 will need rebuild :| [16:26] 85 packages [16:26] i get Notes Directory inaccessible [16:26] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [16:26] and no, it is only those that have used libtool to link against libx11 [16:26] *sigh* [16:27] the dependency on libxcb-xlib.so is moot [16:27] it's non-existant in 1.2 :) [16:27] the symbols of libxcb-xlib are only visible to libx11 anyways [16:28] technically you could just link-kludge all the binaries and be fine [16:28] this is all a libtool bug [16:28] well, I hope he at least leaves libxcb, but does mesa stack + server to allow newer drivers finally [16:28] i have calculated the build order to get it perfectly clean [16:29] and it is just a simple recompile [16:29] for libxcb ? [16:29] yes [16:29] and if those calculations are correct, you'll see some serious sh!t right? [16:29] I think there is alot of cruft in x/ that can probably go too, no? [16:29] probably [16:29] antiwire: Only if you hate 88 mph. [16:29] fsteim (i=1000@189.7.149.140) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] lol [16:29] I'm full of typo's today. [16:29] s/hate/hit [16:30] macavity: do you have a script to check linking consistancy ? [16:30] agentc0re|work: yeah that's ok, I'm equipped with a fairly robust string parser [16:30] thrice`: hang on [16:30] it does semantic corrections on the fly [16:31] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:31] hey [16:31] koolniczka (n=nobody@rb5at165.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Hey Cann0n. How are you? [16:31] tired [16:31] got another interview tomrrow [16:31] you? [16:31] doing great, thanks. [16:32] another interview? [16:32] yeah... i have to drive down to palm beach. about a 30 mile drive [16:32] interviews do suck :\ [16:33] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [16:33] yeah. i'd like to go stoned, in shorts and flip flops... [16:33] haha [16:33] but... my flip flops broke :( [16:33] Cann0n: where is this interview at? something other than a gym? :P [16:33] lol. all the job interviews ive ever had, i showed up in shorts [16:34] Cann0n: do you have long hair yet? [16:34] no it's a gym. but it's an LA Fitness... very preppy [16:34] how cute [16:34] what about a beard? [16:34] antiwire, beard, yes. [16:34] long hair, no. [16:34] Cann0n: well there's your problem. [16:34] ? [16:34] you need the hair too [16:35] i'd grow the fro back out but it's too hot here. [16:35] lol [16:35] Cann0n: you need to watch pedophile beard and rapist glasses. Do a search on youtube for them. [16:35] Cann0n: aren't you worried about your performance under such condition? [16:35] do people with excessive hair and shorts/flipflops ever get hired? [16:35] http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/richard-stallman.jpg [16:35] I'm out though, Ending early today. \0/ [16:35] RMS-- [16:35] DralaFi: what exactly is excessive hair? [16:35] wtf does that mean? [16:36] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] antiwire, not clean shaven? [16:36] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left ##slackware. [16:36] stybla, they want a people person. what better people than me stoned. i'll sit an a table full of black people i dont know when im stoned. :) [16:36] so there is something wrong with people who have long hair? [16:36] antiwire, very defensive are you ? ;) [16:36] Cann0n: i see :) [16:36] not necessarily wrong [16:37] DralaFi: what do you mean by clean shaven? I've been hired for many jobs and I have a beard and very long ahir [16:37] antiwire: do you mean females? no :P [16:37] hai* [16:37] http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/jts051686/l_99a79016f7763a4204c04983cc802dba.jpg [16:37] antiwire, why do you have long hair? [16:37] I tie my hair back for work [16:37] my hair is slightly shorter now [16:37] DralaFi: because it grows and if you don't cut it, it gets longer? [16:38] antiwire, no. Why do you choose to grow it long? [16:38] DralaFi: i like how it feels [16:38] what is it so attractive/hot/sexy for you about your own long hair? [16:38] how so? [16:38] thrice`: find infections: http://pastebin.ca/1424055 and output dependency pairs suitable for tsort | tac calculation: http://pastebin.ca/1424056 [16:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431610.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:38] DralaFi: i've also been told that when i shave my head I look menacing and now that i have grown it out people are more open to talk to me [16:39] antiwire, i think as long as one keeps it nice and clean and tidy, then there's no problem... but then you get RMS and you think... erm.. [16:39] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] thrice`: first script is called find-xcb-packages; seccond is called libdep [16:39] DralaFi: you've never experienced how long hair feels have you? [16:39] antiwire, no :) I'd be too scared of other people thinking I'm a woman from the distance ;) [16:39] Action: eviljames misses his long hair :( [16:39] Action: Cann0n misses my fro [16:39] DralaFi: I've shaved my head before and now I let it grow out very long. It feels very nice, like a hug [16:40] s/my/his [16:40] Action: jeev has a fro elsewhere [16:40] Action: stybla misses his hair in any form [16:40] lol jeev [16:40] lol stybla [16:40] i cut my hair every two weeks with the smalled guard [16:40] thrice`: you do something like: for i in $(./find-xcb-packages); do ./libdep $i >> tsortable-deps; done && cat tsortable-deps | tsort | tac > buildorder.log [16:40] macavity: nice :) I was thinking of doing something similar, but using ldd to grep for missing :) [16:40] DralaFi: Yeah that's something you get used to. [16:40] antiwire, hmm.. tempting to grow my hair :/ but I hate having to do high maintanence on my hair.. [16:41] may be, i could find a job as a comedian :P [16:41] thrice`: ldd is unreliable, as object prelinking makes it report "false positives" [16:41] stybla, or a mortician [16:41] heh [16:41] Cann0n: heh :) well, the truth is it gets worse with age. [16:41] ah, ok [16:41] DralaFi: When other males try to give me a hard time about having long hair i just ask them if they have the balls to let their hair grow as long. Most don't [16:42] Cann0n: i guess couple more years and i'm going to be baldo. [16:42] stybla, lol. im only 22 for a few more hours [16:42] DralaFi: for job related operations i usually tie it up [16:42] like a fscking ninja [16:42] shit, i shaved my head once... i like a little [16:42] thrice`: that is, if appfoo is linked to libbar, which uses libbaz, then appfoo will repport depending on libbaz despite the fact that libbar can be compiled with and without libbaz support, and appfoo will run fine all the same [16:42] antiwire, hehe [16:42] Cann0n: i know younger guys than me who are almost bald already. btw i'm almost 25. [16:43] thrice`: i suspect that this behaviour has somehow "spilled" into libtool [16:43] stybla, woah. i'm 25 but not balding just yet [16:43] I have epic hair. it's dense and grows long and quick [16:43] macavity: nice scripts, though :) [16:43] i think i can thank my mother for those genes [16:43] DralaFi: those damn genes ;) [16:44] thrice`: since if something is linked with libtool, the above mentioned scenario then becomes a hard dependency (eh, the ELF table in the binary points *directly* to libbaz) [16:44] thrice`: aka, "the false xcb dependency" from here on out :P [16:44] stybla, my dad's balding a bit, but he's in his 50s... [16:44] thrice`: thx.. i think i am getting above the mediocre state in scripting :-) [16:45] thrice`: next goal: wizarditry2000+ [16:45] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] \o/ [16:45] here is a recent pic of me http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/jts051686/Inbox.jpg [16:45] macavity: did you share with rworkman ? [16:45] shows my new tattoo [16:45] thrice`: yes [16:46] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] thrice`: though, not the latest tsortable version [16:46] Cann0n, damn.. you are thin. [16:46] ah, nice. I think it was giving him a little bit of a headache [16:46] :| [16:46] rworkman: ping? [16:46] and a bruise from falling off a rail [16:46] I think he had it working properly after some trial and error, though. [16:46] Draenei, 6' 2" [16:46] indeed and pong [16:47] Cann0n, what's that tatoo say? [16:47] DralaFi: my fathers grandpa was bald - at least i've been told so. [16:47] Obey [16:47] The X stuff had to go on the back burner for a while (and is still there) - I'm no longer running it on anything [16:47] boo [16:48] Cann0n: I was like "WTF, this idiot got the tattoo done backwards?" [16:48] then it dawned on me... [16:48] mirror. [16:48] lol [16:48] me too :D [16:49] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:49] later folks [16:49] that was last week. my beard filled in a lot in a week. yay! [16:49] AzA (i=afawaz@ner-as12811.alshamil.net.ae) left irc: [16:50] gtl (n=gtl@mail.quad.inf.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:50] heh [16:50] thrice`: this is the unsorted dependency information for all of x/ (minus input and video drivers, also minus the font packages) plus all the packages from xap/ that is infected with libxcb-xlib [16:50] thrice`: http://www.pastebin.ca/14240682 [16:50] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:50] I have a straight up rapist beard at the moment [16:50] thrice`: take it, tsort | tac it, and see the fun madness :P [16:51] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [16:51] typo in the url? [16:51] seems invalid [16:51] http://www.pastebin.ca/142406 [16:51] yes [16:51] ib4 typo [16:51] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] i have no idea how that 82 ended up after that :P [16:52] yeah if it was 42 it'd make much more sense [16:52] thrice`: naturally there are a lot of shit there that doesnt need to be rebuild, but as long as the things that do need to be rebuild follows the order in the tsort | tac'ed list, everything will go fine [16:53] that's awesome :) [16:53] thrice`: actually you can even remove all of x/ and xap/ and go by that list.. no cyclic dependencies or anything [16:53] thrice`: just do all the *proto packages first, and have a blast :P [16:53] beatzz (n=beatzz@207-118-102-211.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:54] yes.. i kind of had an epiphany about it when i realized just exactly what it is that libtool does wrong :P [16:54] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-9-208.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:55] oh c'est bon! Mon ami le grenouille! [16:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [16:56] aww, I didn't think my french was that bad [16:56] eviljames: gesundheit [16:56] lol [16:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:57] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:58] oh, i see that one of the input drivers crept up anyways [16:58] eviljames, you just need to s/le/la/ ;) [16:58] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [16:58] probably from the merger of the xcb-infections list [16:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Camarade_Tux: I thought la was feminine? [17:00] Hey Camarade_Tux. How are you? [17:01] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:01] Which, in turn applies to the subject (you), not the word itself no? [17:01] eviljames, yeah, and "grenouille" is feminine ;) [17:01] Ahh [17:02] Action: eviljames takes notes [17:02] eviljames: google's translation of Mon ami le grenouille is "My Friend the Frog" [17:02] hey firebird619, doing super great, and how are your ? [17:02] I haven't taken a french class in a decade or more heh [17:02] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thank you. :) [17:02] firebird619: Which is about right. In context it's a sarcastic way for me to say hello to a frenchman :P [17:02] at least, I hope that's how Camarade_Tux understood it [17:02] eviljames, right, you'd need to have "mon amie" to accomodate with "la" but it's ok [17:03] Maybe I should've added Salut at the beginning [17:03] eviljames, I know I'm a froggy ;) [17:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431610.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:03] I took a french class about 6-7 years ago, but don't remember much. [17:03] lol [17:03] eviljames, yep, "salut," would fit more :) [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-139.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] macavity: I figured out the build order for xorg modular by hand two years ago, when I built it for Armedslack. but it looks like you've gained some thorough insights into the build process and the order and nature of dependencies ;) [17:04] I know enough Spanish to prevent myself from being throw into a Mexican jail while traveling [17:04] lol [17:04] i only know enough spanish to make the senioritas blush with shame [17:05] psychicist: i *hate* bugging with that sort of thing by hand [17:05] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [17:05] This was just posted to my local LUG: http://www.thegeekchic.ca/shop/free_linux_stuff.html [17:05] Hey Pig_Pen. How are you? [17:05] I'm STOKED [17:05] good [17:05] psychicist: but yes, feel free to abuse those scripts for you own tools [17:05] hows it going firebird619 ? [17:05] psychicist: beware though... they are *slow* [17:05] Pig_Pen: That's all the Spanish you need, dude. [17:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Pig_Pen: going very well. thanks :) [17:06] yup [17:06] AlphaWaves (n=jay@114.180.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] firebird619, my German is not great either, and I *currently* have German classes ;) [17:07] Pig_Pen, he, lol :) [17:07] macavity: yeah, but it was very new back then and neither MoZeS nor I knew how to build the thing so I thought I'd better do it by hand than keep wasting time by executing the SlackBuild script automatically by trial and error [17:07] good afternoon everyone [17:07] Hey slackmagic, how are you? [17:07] smica (n=smica@h129-138.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:07] firebird619: fine, how are you? [17:07] doing great, thanks. [17:07] _juan (n=juan@190.75.78.58) joined ##slackware. [17:08] senoritas is female, senior is male firebird619 [17:08] psychicist: with the current libtool bug, itterating over a series of packages untill they all compile, will give you funny looking .la files :P [17:08] slackmagic: Question about flux, I've edited the theme.cfg file for rounded corners, yet when I logout/in or restart, it doesn't keep the rounded corners [17:08] macavity: btw, your post has expired, could you repost so I can have a look at it? [17:09] Pig_Pen: yes, and senora (sp?) is a married female. [17:09] _arfon_ (n=arfon@adsl-75-34-84-93.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] psychicist: find infections: http://pastebin.ca/1424055 and output dependency pairs suitable for tsort | tac calculation: http://pastebin.ca/1424056 [17:10] firebird619: hm, check your init and see if it somehow overwrites it, as in having "normal" corners defined in init and rounded in your actual theme or something; that's my guess for now [17:10] <_juan> hi! i just came across this batch renaming script using bash, $ for i in * ; do j=`echo $i | sed 's#txz#tgz#g' - ` ; mv "$i" "$j" ; done how can i make it to look in every sub directory? [17:10] macavity, you say this script takes a long time to finish, have you tried putting everything on a ramdisk/tmpfs ? [17:10] slackmagic: ok thanks. After logging back in, if I reselect the style from the list, then the rounded corners are there. [17:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:11] firebird619: is your actual theme being loaded after X starts? [17:11] _juan: if [ -d $i ]; then cd $i ...... [17:11] I love simplistic things that fortune says: A person is just about as big as the things that make him angry. [17:11] firebird619: Or do you always manually select the theme afterwards? [17:11] there are a bunch of idiots in #linux [17:11] <_juan> thanks macavity [17:11] slackmagic: yeah, it loads the right theme, it just has non-rounded corners [17:12] _juan: you naturally need to keep track of when to cd .. by hand too [17:12] _juan: consider using find(1) instead [17:12] _juan: it is eaiser to build a script around that [17:12] this noob says he has been using unix and linux since 1984 and doesnt see how boot options matter with the console framebuffer [17:12] _juan, or ls -l | grep “^d” and then another for i in ... loop [17:13] firebird619: hm, ask that question in #fluxbox, might get a better answer there. Can't really tell what your issue is without looking at all the configs [17:13] <_juan> i was looking for a script to leave running... [17:13] Camarade_Tux: i cant hold all the executables and all the .so files in RAM on this machine [17:13] firebird619,what is it? [17:14] macavity, how big would that be ? [17:14] dont go to #fluxbox... the guys in there will cut your throat. assholes i tell ya! [17:14] slackmagic: yeah, will do. I was just looking in init, nothing in there that would override it. [17:14] Camarade_Tux: you tell me.. i am running a full install here :P [17:14] firebird619, you are having issues with your style? [17:15] Cann0n: yeah, I changed the theme.cfg file so that I have rounded corners, yet after logging out and then in or restart, they aren't rounded. [17:15] macavity, /usr isn't *that* big : bin is 200MB, lib is 150MB and lib64 is 1GB, that would fit on my machine (2GB) =) [17:15] try bringing up the menu and dragging in around [17:16] firebird619: does flux have any autorun or autostart features? just make a script that does it immediately after flux starts [17:16] mine does the same thing. mark, one of the devs, will just tell you to stop bitching... hence why i never fixed mine lol [17:16] Well, wait, the windows are rounded, the menus are rounded, it's just the slit that isn't rounded, but when I re-select the style, then it is. [17:16] Pig_Pen: yeah, ~/.fluxbox/startup [17:16] there ya go [17:17] Cann0n: lol [17:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [17:17] Cann0n: you use any of tenner's styles, they are amazing. [17:17] nah, i make my own. [17:18] Well, Mr. Fancy. :P [17:18] lol nah. im just picky. there are still many gui bugs in fluxbox. they will never be fixed :( [17:18] I haven't got that far into flux yet that I make my own styles, plus, I like the one's I'm using that others have made. [17:19] smica (n=smica@h129-138.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] yeah, thats why i basically gave up on both black/flux/*box and use openbox instead [17:19] antiwire (i=antiwire@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x44033C56) joined ##slackware. [17:19] I've only tried openbox once, quite some time ago. [17:20] i got gpg Tor auth now [17:20] schweet [17:21] Action: macavity waits for Patrick to push .29.3 to -current [17:21] i like fluxbox. i used to have the menus cut up in a dir for the sub menus and compiled FB with imlib2 so i had icons all in it... then i lost it all :( [17:21] Reply time from NickServ: 11 seconds [17:21] lol [17:22] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [17:22] baahaa [17:24] I've already had like 30s ;) [17:25] everything was ok besides that, just an awful ping [17:25] ok.. time to test new KDE [17:25] hang on [17:25] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [17:25] Camarade_Tux: 30's ping to nickserv? [17:26] openbox would be nice if i didnt mind xml for the menu or didnt mind not having to find all the "parts" [17:26] like a task bar [17:27] antiwire, I'm not sure what you call a "ping to nickserv" but basically the timeout indicators were going mad [17:27] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-219-196.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:27] Cann0n, tried lxde ? [17:27] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:27] ok, all good :-) [17:27] and xml is ok once you don't look at it :) [17:27] Camarade_Tux: hehe i just mean literally '/ping nickserv' [17:27] there is pypanel if you want to add a panel/taskbar to openbox [17:27] yeah. i love fluxbox too much. been using it since i started linux really [17:27] macavity, which kde btw ? -current's ? [17:27] aniscreen (n=anigma@232.80-203-68.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] aniscreen (n=anigma@232.80-203-68.nextgentel.com) left ##slackware. [17:28] i just looked for an alternative once i found out the dev team are full f sperm dumpsters [17:28] s/f/of [17:29] no offense to those that know them personally. :P [17:29] Cann0n: huh? [17:29] antiwire, everything was awfully unreactive, but I can't say by how much [17:29] They have women programmers? [17:30] eviljames, lol ;p [17:30] http://instantrimshot.com/ [17:30] Camarade_Tux: This is ok, but I can see 11 seconds being an issue in a quick moving conversation [17:30] eviljames, they act as if they are PMSing so yeah lol. [17:31] stybla, im just bashing fluxbox's dev team. :) thats all. [17:31] i love flux. i cant use anything else. [17:31] Camarade_Tux: yes [17:32] Camarade_Tux: i was a little behind with the updates [17:32] antiwire, when I experienced that, IRC was like a conversation while being completely drunk :p [17:32] And I for one welcome our new drunk overlords [17:32] everything was slow [17:32] lol [17:33] Cann0n: ah, i see :) [17:33] I know this is just from the onion routing, not the gpg though [17:33] eviljames: you have been reading entirely too much slashdot :P [17:33] Cann0n: i just didn't get it, but it's midnight - i can't perform miracles all the day and night :P [17:33] errrrr [17:33] lol [17:34] well, im off to go do real stuff. brb in a while [17:34] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:34] macavity: watching too much simpsons. [17:34] Camarade_Tux: You Cheese-eating surrender monkey! [17:34] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@78.176.57.194) joined ##slackware. [17:34] eviljames, cheeeeeees ! \o/ [17:34] s/ !/e !/ [17:35] Groundskeeper Willie will forever be one of the best things on tv [17:35] and wine drinker, and we have bread, and butter, and ... =) [17:35] and garlic.... [17:36] btw, before taking the train, I cleaned my room and there's beer basically everywhere, the frozen beer got to the walls, the ceiling, all over the floor, *everywhere* [17:36] macavity: I quit reading slashdot several years ago... last time I remember it being good was like '01 [17:36] macavity, we have everything :) [17:36] Camarade_Tux: except good taste ;-) [17:36] Camarade_Tux: aww. I'm jealous. I wish I had beerwalls [17:36] BAM! [17:36] "except good taste" http://instantrimshot.com/ [17:37] eviljames, I'm renting that room, I can't put beer on the walls ! [17:37] plus I've already tried licking them and it hurts the tongue =/ [17:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:37] hi guys [17:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:38] 'ello [17:38] hallo! [17:38] i would like to know if i have something to configure with raid before installing slackware ! [17:38] macavity, hmmm, yeah, we have a few terribly women^Wgirls^Wthings =/ [17:38] hey paissad [17:38] because, i always have no lilo.conf after the setup [17:39] i just have /etc/lilo-error-**** [17:39] but nothing else .... [17:39] Camarade_Tux: Wait.. you're disparaging french women? [17:39] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] paissad: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/README_RAID.TXT [17:39] ahh, there's the link I was looking for [17:41] eviljames: french women are good, aren't they? [17:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] eviljames, not women, but weird "things" which would say they are girls [17:42] paissad: you did read the README_RAID.TXT in the root directory of the Slackware CD you bought? [17:42] Ah... macavity was ahead of me [17:43] alienBOB: i see they still havent fixed the global hotkey dropping in KDE 4.2.3 :-/ [17:44] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:44] macavity: did you file it as a bug? [17:44] alienBOB, asking the important questions [17:44] I tells ya, this channel would be a disaster w/o him... [17:45] There are people here who talk and help a lot more than me [17:45] alienBOB: be that as it may, it seems like you're the chief "keep it on the rails" fella [17:46] eviljames, stybla, actually, I'm half Lebanese and Lebanese girls, hmmmm <3 [17:46] Action: Camarade_Tux really feels OT right now [17:46] Camarade_Tux: i wish i know what the discussion was about :\ i had hope - hot french chics i'd be into ;) [17:50] stybla, prefer lebanese girls : http://frustratedlebanese.blogspot.com/2008/04/lebanese-girls.html / http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050314/050314_lebanese_vmed_7p.standard.jpg (ok for work) [17:51] Camarade_Tux: ok, you got me <3 [17:51] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-112.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Camarade_Tux: is there any chance you could...hook me up? :D [17:52] heh [17:52] alienBOB: didnt get around to that.. too busy trying to fix libtool [17:52] _juan (n=juan@190.75.78.58) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-170-205-43.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] alienBOB: this whole libxcb-xlib mess (which is a "false problem") should never ever be repeated [17:53] eviljames: just my "types" :) [17:53] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:54] ridiculous. Apparently I need an X10 module so my box can automatically reboot the $@#$&$& crappy little router whenever the internet disappears [17:54] Urchlay: That's a decent plan. [17:54] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [17:55] Urchlay: Alternatively you could just get a better router [17:55] but the x10 module is more versatile maybe [17:55] stybla, he :) you can find Lebanese people nearly everywhere [17:55] damn lebanese [17:55] you can also go to Lebanon, in 10 months, you'll be able to ski on the morning, lay on the beach on the afternoon and party during the night :) [17:55] :D [17:56] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03144.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Camarade_Tux: :D [17:56] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-112.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Client Quit [17:56] Camarade_Tux: but me, talking to girl ... please! [17:56] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:56] eviljames: well I'm fairly broke right now, can't really afford X10 or a router anyway [17:56] stybla, speaking arabic or french ? [17:57] I've occasionally wondered, as a reasonably educated, semi-attractive white male from Canada, could I go to a 3rd world country and poach their hottest women? [17:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:57] eviljames: in third world countries they would be poaching you [17:57] Camarade_Tux: not a single word :\ [17:57] :D [17:57] They would be poaching me? [17:57] eviljames, he, I saw that picture of you, and s/semi-attractive// :D [17:58] but so far every single time the 'net has died, it's not been comcast's fault: I reboot the router (but not the cable modem) and it starts working again [17:58] eviljames: how about to ask Reiser about that one? :) [17:58] Camarade_Tux: hahahah you mean s/semi-// [17:58] eviljames, hmmm, no :D [17:58] Camarade_Tux: It's not really a fair picture though. Standing next to my gf, I'm Gollum. [17:58] she's your preciousss? [17:59] eviljames: picture? [17:59] stybla: http://imgur.com/Im2Q [18:00] Also, stybla I lul'd at the reiser comment. [18:00] eviljames, actually I tried to split the image in two (I wanted to get rid of you :D ) and it doesn't make you any better :p [18:00] Camarade_Tux: hahahah [18:00] Camarade_Tux: You can try to hide your man-crush on me, but methinks you doth protest too much. [18:00] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03144.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] damn. You really do have a hot gf, why are you worrying about picking up a different one from another country? [18:01] Urchlay: Curiosity, duh. [18:01] stybla, keep in mind the country is still nearly at war so if you want, you can always let her speak about her feelings :D [18:01] Urchlay: but yea, I don't imagine I'll be trading that one in anytime soon. [18:01] Urchlay: half native, half irish. all awesome. [18:01] Camarade_Tux: heh :) [18:02] unless she's got some horrible habit that doesn't come across in a photo (like cheating on you, or snoring loud enough to keep you awake all night), I can't see a problem :) [18:02] Urchlay: You should see her sister [18:02] ;) [18:02] zau-ngast (n=zau-ngas@dslb-088-065-072-139.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] eviljames, hmmm, thay do things together ? \o/ [18:03] :D [18:03] "If my baby don't love me no mo', I know her sister will" - Some blues singer [18:03] Camarade_Tux: The 3 of us shared a 1 bedroom apartment for a few months, partying and drinking most days. I'll leave that open to interpretation. [18:03] Camarade_Tux: but she would have to speak english or czech. [18:03] (I did escape w/o castration too, so don't get too imaginative) [18:03] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] Camarade_Tux: or i'd have to say only "uhm, uhm" and ... i don't know? :) [18:04] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:04] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] stybla, many Lebanese speak arabic, french and english :) [18:04] (event at 6) [18:05] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:05] stybla, I thought all people did that, no matter the language ;) [18:05] Camarade_Tux: That frustrated labenese link you posted.. damn. [18:05] Camarade_Tux: I don't know about the best in the world, but .. damn :D [18:05] The woman walking past the demolished building... what a juxtaposition [18:05] Camarade_Tux: haha : [18:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.22) left irc: [18:06] eviljames, I find the pics aren't that great actually (imagine what a good pic would be ;) ) [18:06] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] Still @ work, can't even check for better pics... only 15h here... [18:06] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:06] eviljames, don't go to lebanon, you may dump your girlfriend ;) [18:07] Not bloody likely. [18:07] i'd :) [18:07] note: i don't have any [18:07] lebanon tennessee or lebanon the country? [18:07] dartmouth: The country. [18:07] really? some hotties there? [18:08] they won't tell you their names, they're lebanonymous...? 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[18:09] hurrrrr [18:09] ttp://frustratedlebanese.blogspot.com/2008/04/lebanese-girls.html [18:09] err [18:09] dammit [18:10] lol [18:10] http://frustratedlebanese.blogspot.com/2008/04/lebanese-girls.html [18:10] lebanese armenians have the nastiest dialect ever [18:11] if you say so [18:11] what you mean, im armenian [18:11] you can't understand anything they say ;D [18:11] you just nod your head and act like you're understanding [18:12] (not that safe but ok and not a big image) http://www.discoverlebanon.com/en/photos/data/media/12/12edde_sands.jpg [18:13] hmm, the document you sent me tells this into the introduction [18:13] If you are using a RAID expansion card, or the RAID functionality that came [18:13] with your motherboard, this document will not be useful for you. [18:13] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/README_RAID.TXT [18:13] confrey (n=dario@94.163.169.250) joined ##slackware. [18:14] paissad: if you have a good RAID chipset you don't need to use linux raid, but that doesn't mean you can't use LVM [18:14] antiwire, i reallly don't know why i still have no lilo.conf [18:15] let me explain to you how i proceed, it may take a while to explain, but i will ... i think it's better ! [18:15] here i go :-) [18:15] _arfon_ (n=arfon@adsl-75-34-84-93.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:15] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) joined ##slackware. [18:16] anyone got the lancelot menu in kde4 to work? [18:17] when i use it (it does not even work properly, the categories do not open) the lancelot process tops my cpu and i have to go and kill it :( [18:18] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:18] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] the fact is, it works on kubuntu kde build. so might be a packaging bug in slack or something. [18:19] 1st, i have 2 hard disks of 500 Gb, i made them into RAID1 from the Motherboard integrated software , i formatted the 1st hard drive /dev/sda like this (30Gb for / , 20Gb for home, 2Gb for swap, i make /home to a lvm partition) ...... but /dev/sdb is still empty and has no partition table yet ..... i began the Setup, it finished successfuly except at the end, when i check /etc/lilo.conf, i don't have it , but i got a /etc/lilo-erro-** [18:19] * which is deleted when i reboot [18:20] here is what i did ..... [18:20] where's the matter ? [18:21] 21grams [18:21] what ? [18:22] its a movie [18:23] i know that movie, but why :) [18:24] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:24] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] would you advice to user linux raid or the chipset one ? .... what the interest of using one of them ? [18:25] mdadm [18:26] paissad: are you losing your mind! [18:26] Pig_Pen, why ? [18:26] paissad: depends on the chipset you have...if you have a 3ware RAID card use it! [18:27] antiwire, it's the 1st time i use raid, don't know if i have 3ware, btw, i dunno what it is ... i google it [18:27] paissad: if you have a piece of crap fakeraid setup (99% of them all) then i would use linux raid [18:28] 3ware is one of the few actual hardware raid cards [18:28] i don't think to have it [18:28] cemunal (n=cemunal@78.174.53.2) joined ##slackware. [18:28] software raid setups have the benefits that a hardware failure wont bite you in the a$$, paissad [18:28] does anybody know how to use mesa drivers with nvidia riva tnt2 under linux? [18:29] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:29] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176095041.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [18:30] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:30] well, what must i do exactly after setting up RAID1 by chipset software ? ..... (i put my 2 hard disks into the Array DISK, i cleared the MBR, i restarted ....) [18:30] i booted from the slack cd rom installation [18:31] i set up my partitions ..... but there's something which seems weird for me .... i thought that /dev/sdb should be exactly the mirror of /dev/sda ? [18:31] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-9-208.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:32] i formatted /Dev/sda , but /Dev/sdb was not [18:32] is that normal ? [18:32] must i do it by myself ? [18:32] paissad: when you have a RAID, never work with the underlying device [18:32] Work with /dev/md* [18:33] cemunal (n=cemunal@78.174.53.2) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:33] oh btw, i formatted my partitions to ext3, except for the swap, is that ok ? [18:33] ehh, not if he's using a hardware RAID card (instead of Linux sw raid), surely? [18:33] I don't care. It is a matter of preference [18:34] If he had hardware raid, he would not even be seeing two separate drives Urchlay [18:34] true [18:34] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-9-208.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:34] bc_rich (n=warlock@f048255008.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [18:34] Somewhere along the line his setup was messed up I guess [18:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:34] he thinks he's got hw raid though, wonder what's going on [18:34] alienBOB, you say i must work with /dev/md* ? ..... even for the setup and partitionning ? [18:34] stupid xchat [18:35] paissad: it all depends on your setup, I can not look into your box [18:35] alienBOB, even if i set up RAID1 by the integrated software chipset .? [18:35] With any RAID you always work with the RAID device [18:35] night everybody :) [18:35] night Camarade_Tux [18:35] good night [18:36] If you have a real hardware raid and the linux kernel supports that, then you should see only one device (the RAID device) [18:36] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:36] paissad: in my experience, the cheap IDE/SATA RAID cards don't really work all that well. You might consider setting up the drives to just show up as drives, and use Linux software RAID [18:36] I would try software RAID as well [18:37] Real hardware RAID cards that I would trust, cost hundreds of dollars and are SCSI [18:37] actually, i when i do fdisk -l , i see two drives /dev/sda and /dev/sdb (even after the setup of RAID1 from the chipset soft) [18:37] for one thing, if the controller ever fails while you're using it for HW RAID, it's likely you'd have to replace it with exactly the same model controller (if it's 5 years from now, good luck finding one...) [18:37] paissad: if the kernel does not support that raid device, it will not see your RAIDed device anyway [18:38] paissad: it's possible Linux doesn't support that card as a RAID controller (only as a disk controller) [18:38] Urchlay: exactly [18:38] so if i understand a lil bit, i should use linux raid to avoid that ? [18:38] yes [18:38] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.97.242) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:39] ok, ... thanks i try that ... it's 3 days, i cannot find the solution .... i'm really tired ! [18:39] really really :) [18:39] AlphaWaves (n=jay@114.180.70-86.rev.gaoland.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [18:39] alienBOB: I've never tried installing directly to a /dev/md device from the boot DVD... that's possible though, is it not? [18:39] so i follow this tutoriel and everything should be ok , ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/README_RAID.TXT [18:40] (installer environment has mdadm and kernel support for it?) [18:40] Yes [18:40] ok thanks again [18:40] The installer will automatically re-assemble any pre-existing RAID configuration [18:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] I've gone as far as installing on RAID -> LVM -> LUKS to see if it would work (and it did) [18:42] we got a guy who comes in here looking for help with his RAID1 array he created... what he did: mkreiserfs /dev/hda1, spend a year filling up that partition... followed by mdadm to create an array with /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdb1, then trying to mount it without mkfs'ing it. [18:42] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.30.26) joined ##slackware. [18:43] lol [18:43] it almost works, even [18:43] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:43] Urchlay: you can make that work [18:44] If you create the RAID with that one disk and add the other one later [18:44] his old reiserfs is mountable, but he keeps getting "attempt to access beyond end of device" type of errors, due to the fact that the reiserfs thinks it's on a bigger partition (the original hda1 size, rather than the hda1 size minus RAID overhead) [18:44] Ah, RAID1... [18:44] hmm Urchlay still have received desired results in quality yet, Nero in windows still makes my linux copies look crappy. [18:44] trial and error is so much fun [18:45] yeah, if you create the RAID with one disk, and mkfs it, copy your data over, then turn the original partition into Linux raid auto and add it, all will be well [18:45] juice: I have completely forgot what you were working on last time I talked to you :) [18:45] lol [18:46] just trying to convert mpeg-4 to mpeg2 vcd with the best possible quality when viewing on standard def tv [18:46] g'night. [18:47] night stybla [18:49] oh, right, vcds... I just remembered something: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/vcdimager/ [18:49] confrey (n=dario@94.163.169.250) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] also, you might want to not use Nero (your Linux install has a nice cdrecord binary, or you could use k3b if you prefer a GUI) [18:52] juice: look up tovid [18:52] juice: transcode :) [18:52] juice: I use tovid to do all transcoding, DVD menu creation, and burning [18:52] all CLI [18:52] yeah thumbs [18:52] Hey thumbs, how are you? [18:52] firebird619: not bad, you? [18:53] doing great, thanks. [18:53] i have currently tried ffmpeg and avidemux2 [18:53] also might try devede [18:53] transcode is on the list to install again [18:53] HEY GUYS, GUESS WHAT ? [18:53] thumbs: did you give that laptop to a buddy to mess with and try and unlock or did you set that aside for now? [18:53] i'm sure it just finding the right settings and tweaking with the programs [18:53] your caps button is broken ? [18:53] your capslock is on? [18:53] paissad: YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK? :) [18:53] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03144.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] paissad: you're going to tell us something? [18:54] _fb_ (n=aa@210.54.148.202) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:54] Urchlay, sorry, it's just happiness, really sorry [18:54] paissad: just messing with you [18:54] i changed into the BIOS, drives from raid to ahci and the system booted up [18:54] great [18:54] i did nothing else [18:55] but there's no raid , of course [18:55] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:56] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] cemunal (n=cemunal@78.174.53.2) joined ##slackware. [18:56] how can i change screen position with xorg.conf? [18:57] firebird619: had no time this week [18:57] to left [18:57] Action: nvision is dancing through the chan due his working fn-keys *lambada* [18:57] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] thumbs: Ah ok. I was just curious. :) [18:57] cemunal: use the buttons on your monitor to move your screen to the left [18:57] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [18:58] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] Pig_Pen, do you know how we do it with xorg.conf [18:58] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:59] we? whos we? you got a mouse in your pocket? [18:59] creyolee (n=creyolee@c80-216-139-217.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "leaving" [18:59] lol [18:59] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@mail.utahbayou.com) joined ##slackware. [18:59] antiwire (i=antiwire@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x44033C56) left ##slackware ("()"). [18:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCrrblYRwOo&NR=1 [19:00] cemunal: i know exactly what you are looking at, your screen looks like it is off by about a half inch to the right, use the button on your monitor to move it to the left [19:02] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:02] hey [19:02] hey [19:03] hmm cpu temp seems high 72C [19:03] Pig_Pen, if i do that; this time the other distro's screen gets to right. This is about screen card driver. A distro has driver bur the other hos no driver. [19:03] not impressed with this cpu cooler [19:03] *but [19:03] *has [19:03] juice: compaq? [19:03] intel p4 3.06ghz with ht [19:04] juice: tihs one runs at 78C and peaks at 80C [19:04] i put an alpine gt7 ac coller on it [19:04] w4lk (n=chatzill@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [19:04] just a cheap cooler [19:04] i wanna put a radiator on this lappy [19:05] need to find a better lga775 cooler I guess [19:05] cemunal (n=cemunal@78.174.53.2) left irc: "Leaving" [19:06] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] the old one was all copper heat sink but used a load cpu cooling fan [19:06] is it possible to configure the raid after the setup ? [19:06] linux raid [19:06] so I got this one for a quieter fan [19:06] aluminum heatsink though [19:08] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@mail.utahbayou.com) left ##slackware. [19:08] http://www.instructables.com/id/Watercooling-a-laptop-on-the-cheap/ [19:09] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:11] compaq has problems leaving extra space in their laptops [19:11] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-69-236-104-85.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:11] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] nobody knows if it's possible ? .... configuring a linux raid knowing the setup is complete ???? [19:15] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03144.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:16] paissad: i dont. im sure it is possible. i mean, hell. there are tons of possibilities on linux. [19:16] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] hmm [19:16] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:17] sbopkg is a gift from our digital gods :-) [19:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [19:20] im checking it out now [19:20] seems wonderful... i'll have to stick all of my SBos in the /home/SBo repo [19:21] Cann0n: it detects them automatically [19:22] didnt mine. at least i havent found out. all mine are in /home/jack/Slackware/SBo [19:22] oh... maybe not... [19:22] oh, you mean the actual tgz files? [19:22] no, the dirs of all the ones i installed myself [19:22] ikeep everything [19:23] ah, ok, no, dont bother about that.. just rsync from sbopkg [19:23] i did [19:23] then you have them all in the latest version [19:23] that is FUCKING AWESOME! [19:23] :P [19:24] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:24] it even has a build queue [19:24] oh man... slackware just got better... and i didnt think that was possible... [19:24] so when you see that "libfoobar depends on: " lists, you just add them all to the build queue and say "serve my needs while i have coffee" :P [19:25] lol yeah... i remember ./configure && make && make install was it... like 10 years ago lol [19:25] guys, anyone know a tool/utility to manage the vga output of the laptops? [19:25] Kaapa: xrandr [19:25] I'm fed up with the ati GUI [19:26] ati ftw. [19:26] Free ATI driver FTW [19:26] macavity: is there any frontend? I'm a shell lover, but I tend to forget the correct args for stuff that I usually don't use [19:26] Free * driver FTW :P [19:26] SBopkg is the truth [19:26] mirash (n=user@117.196.128.168) joined ##slackware. [19:26] Kaapa: i dont know [19:27] Kaapa: try google for "xrandr frontend" :P [19:27] macavity: you use the X drivers in ati? [19:27] macavity: free * FTW unless its that time i got a dozen free crabs from vegas. [19:27] When will next slack version come out? [19:27] macavity: and get a stupid ubintu or gentoo app? :) [19:27] mirash: when it's ready [19:27] Kaapa: naaa.. i have Intel :P [19:27] I always ask here first :) [19:27] Kaapa: there is no such thing as a "ubuntu app".. there is only source [19:27] when will it be ready [19:27] use the source Luke! [19:28] mirash: slackware doesnt race in "cutting edge cup" many other distros play [19:28] mirash: when it is ready [19:28] mirash: and no, that was not a smart ass remark.. that IS the way it is [19:28] macavity: i just said that lol. [19:28] * Pat is lurking :-) [19:29] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] slackware is bit slow in all the ways [19:29] mainly in X [19:29] yeahi macavity is right. it could be months, a year... hell, it could be monday night. [19:29] macavity: When Pat says it's ready [19:29] mirash: for good reasons [19:29] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [19:30] mcBunny (n=chatzill@pool-71-104-11-137.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-76-105-123-64.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] mirash: i am a huge xorg/mesa fan/contributor/tester myself.. and frankly.. Pat is doing what is slackware'ish, since xorg is pretty banged up and needs time to stabalize again [19:30] hello [19:30] hello everyone. [19:30] hi mcBunny [19:30] mirash: ... they did make some pretty cool changes though :P [19:30] its anyone having problems with slackpkg upgrade-all [19:30] mirash: why do you think slackware is the best? notice that there aren't many updates for it? when there are, it's for software not apart of the development of slackware itself. ie: firefox fixes a bug. [19:30] mirash: just wait untill you see what Gallium3D can do :P [19:31] it seams that all the mirrors don't have the packages. [19:31] mcBunny: change the repo mirror. [19:31] mcBunny: i had issues with that last week. [19:31] mcBunny: did you run slackpkg update first? [19:31] i know, slackware is not the best [19:31] I try most of all the mirrors the onlyone that seems to work is ftp.iasi.roedu.net [19:32] outside of xorg, slackware is pretty up-to-date [19:32] it has some qualities, that it provides full sources, many kernels, etc [19:32] its the only linux distro that still like linux system. [19:32] mirash: no.. but it is stable and it doesnt annoy its users to death with foolish attempts to go seccond phase with people all the time [19:32] thats all [19:32] oldest and still kicking. [19:32] what second phase [19:33] what still linux system? [19:33] mirash: using official packages, i'm on gcc 4.3.3, glibc 2.10-ish, xfce 4.6.1, latest FF, kernel 2.6.29.x ; any specific area it's lagging, outside of xorg ? [19:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:33] i wiped debian the first time dpkg or what its name is, undid a configuration i had manually done with an editor [19:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:34] an OS is something that deals with the management of system components efficiently [19:34] *that* is what i call going seccond phase with people without their consent [19:34] bijit_ (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: "leaving" [19:34] without any crashes [19:34] according to POSIX it is a fair bit more than that.... [19:34] no, the OS provides a place for the USER to control the system [19:34] thrice`++ [19:34] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [19:35] most command line and you can customize it unlike ubuntu, fedora [19:35] an OS and a kernel is *not* the same :P [19:36] otherwise windows would be called ntoskrnl.sys :P [19:36] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:36] anyway does anyone know whats going on with the mirrors? [19:36] mcBunny: they converted to .txz packages [19:36] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] and how does one install txz packages? [19:37] update slackpkg [19:37] installpkg [19:37] :P [19:37] did that [19:37] sigh [19:37] everytime a packages is trying to install it tells me there is an error with the package [19:37] mizu (n=kra@92.52.14.4) joined ##slackware. [19:37] mcBunny: did you read the 12.2 changelog? [19:37] mcBunny: update tar [19:38] hi all [19:38] thrice`: how would he do that if upgradepkg fails? :P [19:38] mizu: greetz [19:38] :) [19:38] 'ello mizu [19:38] such a nice response [19:38] tar, slackpkg, and the other requireds are still .tgz on the mirrors (on purpose) [19:39] mizu (n=kra@92.52.14.4) left irc: Client Quit [19:39] mizu: that is just becauce we want you to feel really safe before we con your creditcard information out of you ;-) [19:39] nope I did not read the changelog [19:39] mizuu (n=kra@92.52.14.4) joined ##slackware. [19:39] thrice`: ok, that makes sense [19:39] mcBunny: from thrice`s info i does sound like you just need to do that, and act accordingly [19:40] macavity: too late, they left ;-) [19:40] last 8 hours i was reading google, and didnt help, so i am hre [19:40] wow :) what's wrong ? [19:40] mizuu: whats your problem? [19:40] does anybody know what is libgio-2.0.so.0? [19:40] which package can provide me that [19:40] a glib library [19:41] yep, so i was right [19:41] mizuu: grep libgio /var/log/packages/* [19:41] I will try that.. maybe they should say that on the main page of slackware.. [19:42] mcBunny: if you're running -current, you shouldn't even ask these questions [19:42] macavity, yep there are they little thinks [19:42] will try some miricle with that [19:44] digitaloktay (n=chatzill@dslb-084-056-239-171.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] asking questions is always good, it means you are willing to learn. not everyone has all the answers :O) [19:44] hi slack [19:45] yep, need to learn all the time, brain needs to be stimulate till end [19:45] "mcBunny", the real content of the Big Mac. [19:45] :P [19:46] can i am using slack on mac pc [19:46] what? I thought it was Soylent Green! I've been lied to! [19:46] digitaloktay: are you asking if you can, or are you stating that you are? [19:46] sbopkg is off the fucking CHAIN! [19:46] look at it go! [19:47] Cann0n: dont forget to pay your respect to _chess_ for it [19:47] I can has mcPC? [19:47] I'm currently using a hackintoch that why is mc [19:47] anywho, ima update my sbos and run out for a bit. i suddenly have all this freetime [19:47] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:47] macavity: huh? lol [19:47] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:47] Cann0n: _chess_ is the main author [19:47] oh. _chess_ thankyou! [19:48] Cann0n: i have a tiny little patch in the rsync handling code too :P [19:48] sweet! [19:48] Cann0n: aka "make sbopkg give meaning full error massages when rsync fails" [19:48] before it was just "rsync exited with errorcode 124" [19:48] lol ill keep that in mind! [19:49] lol i bbl. [19:49] ok, looking them up in the rsync manpage was pretty trivial, but that aside :P [19:49] later Cann0n [19:49] ta ta Cann0n [19:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [19:50] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [19:52] well thx for the help, I'll update tar and slackpkg [19:52] and see what happens [19:52] mcBunny (n=chatzill@pool-71-104-11-137.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [19:52] j0z (n=JESUS@187.6.161.215) joined ##slackware. [19:53] lets hope he doesnt need to update pkgtools too [19:53] morning all [19:53] morning dive. How are you? [19:53] sappening? [19:53] evening dive :-) [19:53] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] hi firebird619 macavity :-) [19:53] firebird619, great thanks, you? [19:53] doing great, thank you. :) [19:54] still looking for work... [19:54] or no... looking for cash would be a better description [19:54] color xerox? [19:55] eh? [19:55] just kidding :P [19:55] ah [19:55] gotcha [19:55] btw, the punishment for faking money is exceptionally harsh.. [19:56] yeah and they don't issue fines for it [19:56] you get hit harder for dublicating a fiver then you do for breaking into a house and stealing five grand [19:56] I just been putting google adsense ads up on one of sites - still waiting for some harsh feedback from forum users ;) [19:56] but hell they don't pay, so... [19:57] and the ads are very uninstrusive text only [19:57] don't look too bad [19:57] i dont know googles ad programs.. is adsense the type that sometimes show flashing ads? [19:57] this one doesn't - I chose text only, no images [19:57] or is it just one of those descrete "are you looking for this" kind of text? [19:58] ah, cool [19:58] and you can play around with dimensions etc [19:58] then you forum users can haz to shuddap [19:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:59] the ones on slashdot are annoying... i go to linux.slashdot.org and get hit with ads about windows server 2008/sharepoint/more poision [19:59] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "leaving" [19:59] yeah [19:59] well these are supposed to be like targetted with whatever the site content is [19:59] but it takes 48 hours apparently [19:59] what forum is it? [20:00] it's mainly for UT gaming clans [20:00] and do you want me to write a wget script that clicks a little on the ads? :P [20:00] t0f (n=foo@wlbr-208-103-146-12.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] haha no - google has some really strict rules about that [20:01] I'm not even sposed to click on them myself, not even to ahem test [20:01] just get enough people to do it only ~once a month [20:01] yeah well I posted an announcement about it tonight [20:01] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:01] so I expect to get some results [20:01] or abuse [20:01] heh [20:02] how about a ff extention: "random-click google adds to new tab on bookmarked sites" :P [20:02] http://wormradio.com/ {live music} [20:02] this is how we keep our peers away from crime ;-) [20:03] i wonder when GOOG will have to shed the "do no evil" moniker? [20:03] hmm a few years ago perhaps [20:03] ansunzofm: they make a ton of money allready [20:04] anyhow.. time to hit the kiosk [20:04] bbiab [20:04] bb [20:04] macavity: indeed, the corruption could begin once the original leaders depart [20:05] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:06] _fb (n=aa@210.54.148.202) joined ##slackware. [20:07] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl12-88-28.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] people still see ads on websites? [20:14] http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/clippy.gif [20:15] cute [20:16] <_fb> people still respond to ads- they buy stuff [20:16] http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm [20:17] well I don't allow ads to display in my browser... I still buy stuff, but only stuff I actually need (or at least want really bad) [20:17] boycott google if you have any self respect [20:18] <_fb> https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw= [20:18] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:18] the way I see it, using adblock is no different from changing channels (or getting up to take a leak/get a snack/whatever) on the TV when the commercials start [20:19] _fb> but the cartoons are cool! [20:19] and it gives info besides just jokes [20:19] smica (n=smica@h129-138.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [20:19] <_fb> i use elinks [20:19] i use IceCat [20:19] <_fb> i use xzgv [20:20] whats that [20:20] i dont intend to boycott google.. but i boycott their propietary software.. just like i boycott everyone elses software [20:21] <_fb> with elinks you can pass a URI to any program... e.g. pass a URI to an image to an image viewer [20:21] well then use noscript [20:21] <_fb> xzgv = image viewer [20:21] _fb> good to know [20:21] <_fb> :) [20:21] advertising on websites are for suckers that use windows & IE [20:22] <_fb> instead of blocking what you dont want [20:22] <_fb> you select what you do want [20:22] meh [20:22] Pig_Pen: i tollerate adds becuse some of the sites i use are financed that way [20:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] adblock plus + easy list + icecat + noscript + trackmenot + squid + hosts lists + privoxy with neilvandyke.action [20:22] works for me [20:22] macavity: you don't have an obligation to view ads, no matter how the site is financed [20:23] particularly if you're not ever going to actually buy anything that's advertised [20:23] i havent seen an advertisement for a shovel very recently [20:23] Urchlay: technically speaking, bloking ads on not-for-profit sites that are financed by adds is a kind of leeching [20:23] <_fb> 'in the beginning...' the internet (arpa) was financed by the military [20:23] imho [20:23] macavity> not for profit sites dont ahve ads [20:23] ...any more than you have an obligation to watch the commercial breaks on TV, just because TV stations are financed by ads [20:23] duuuuude [20:24] <_fb> like tor, in the beginning, was financed by the military [20:24] not for profit asks for donations [20:24] chowabunga: i know a few that use both adds and fundreisers (because the ads dont cover it alone) [20:24] archive.org, scroogle.org, wikipedia (urggg) [20:24] screw their ads [20:24] advertising is something the ad companies throw out there... nobody's required to view it or respond to it [20:24] i hae bandwidth limitations too [20:25] i dont [20:25] so i can choose to not care [20:25] and i do [20:25] my mom only gives me 3 gigs a week! she downloads soaps [20:25] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [20:25] with the other 97 gigs [20:25] <_fb> search engines, and 'portals' in the early days, are 'middle men' between the user and _content_ [20:25] get a new mum [20:25] or move out of her basement :P [20:25] but its my DUNGEON! [20:25] and a good chunk of it, is actually very annoying (flashing/bouncing flash crap that's trying to draw your attention away from whatever the page is actually about) [20:26] are you sure she's not downloading porns? [20:26] fuck advertising, i dont need some marketers turning my PC monitor in to a bill board [20:26] Pig_Pen: amen [20:26] Urchlay: i dont have flash installed.. that does tend to kill the worst offenders [20:26] <_fb> flash sucks [20:26] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] roger [20:26] how do you watch videos without flash [20:26] ktorrent [20:27] thief! [20:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] or youtubedl.pl [20:27] yah i need that [20:27] <_fb> 'download' it with wget, lftp, etc instead of 'streaming' it. then use ffmpeg to convert it to whatever you like. [20:27] <_fb> and use mplayer, xine, vlc, etc to watch it. [20:27] _fb: yup. that is what youtubedl does [20:27] opera makes it easy to disable flash. so browse without it untill you need it [20:27] im about to upgrade libdrm in -current [20:28] <_fb> i love youtube-dl [20:28] how do you know its a good video before you watch it [20:28] has anyone tried this and run into any snags? [20:28] <_fb> have you tried 'clive'? [20:28] mirash1 (n=user@117.196.130.240) joined ##slackware. [20:28] dartmouth: no, you are about to break your box unless you actually know what you are doing ;-) [20:28] again, use adblock. I have the flash plugin, but flash applets don't run unless I click on them and ask them to (well actually the youtube player is whitelisted, no need to click on it) [20:28] dartmouth: intel GMA? [20:29] macavity: im sure there's a reason we're so many versions behind with libdrm, so i wanted to ask first; no, it's that darn [20:29] Urchlay: i dont do propietary software at all [20:29] a good chunk of the stuff on youtube isn't really worthy of being downloaded & kept forever... [20:29] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:29] ": [fglrx:firegl_find_any_map] *ERROR* Invalid map handle!<3>[fglrx:drm_vm_open] *ERROR* map not found -> inconsistent kernel data!!!" [20:29] anyone think google has too much power? [20:29] macavity: so no youtube at all for you, or youtube-dl + mplayer? [20:29] <_fb> you can extract screenshots from any video using ffmpeg or mplayer. [20:29] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [20:29] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:29] Urchlay: s/mplayer/xine/, but yes, that approach [20:29] Urchlay: besides, i only ever used the tybe for google techtalk videos [20:29] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [20:29] macavity: my /var/log/syslog file is 323MB due to just that error flooding it [20:30] <_fb> if you have a really fast connection you don't need to do these things [20:30] so i need to do something [20:30] dartmouth: be prepared to update the hell out of everything [20:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] ur mom was a really fast connection [20:30] dartmouth: oh, and the buildorder is non-trivial [20:30] macavity: what's 'everything'? [20:30] <_fb> but if you have a slower connection or experience probs, ... [20:30] buildorder. great. [20:30] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] take my whore mom, she is stealin my bw [20:30] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [20:30] i could install -current on another box, build them all as packages, and then just installpkg [20:31] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeep" [20:31] but that's an enormous amount of work as well :/ [20:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] dartmouth: libdrm need dri2proto for starters.. you may also need to recompile xorg-server against it, and probably also a recent mesa source for the server build [20:31] well, I need to something about it because my syslog fiile will eventually fill up my whole hard drive [20:31] http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/dowavg.gif [20:32] dartmouth: since you are using fglrx you dont need to make a new mesa package though [20:32] dartmouth: just make sure you remove the one you have [20:32] this is my favorite [20:32] http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/mono.gif [20:32] dartmouth: make a cronjob rm the syslog file ;-) [20:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] t0f (n=foo@wlbr-208-103-146-12.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:35] there's got to be someone who knows what causes this error with catalyst [20:36] it is libdrm all right [20:36] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:36] great. [20:36] I'm genuinely not qualified to even attempt this. [20:36] but the sad thing is that the current xorg afairs is pretty borked up [20:37] i think its a good thing though.. because some pretty hefty architectual things got fixed [20:37] oh, you mean upgrading xorg is a good thing? [20:37] but now things are a little bit messy, and some things need to stabalize a little [20:37] oh [20:37] yeah i hear ya [20:37] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:37] im hesitant [20:37] hang on and let me check the libdrm deps for you [20:37] kk [20:37] <_fb> mplayer can use the framebuffer [20:38] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:38] dartmouth: oh, you are in luck [20:39] you have a bin package?! [20:39] :D [20:39] dartmouth: if you install the latest dri2proto package, you should be able to just build a regular libdrm package [20:39] oh [20:39] oh sweet [20:39] dartmouth: just do ./configure -prefix=/usr && make && DESTDIR=/tmp/libdrm-myversion-foo-bar-bas-1 make install [20:40] dartmouth: then cd /tmp/libdrm-myversion-foo-bar-bas-1 [20:40] dartmouth: then makepkg [20:40] dartmouth: oh, do that with dri2proto *first*, then installpkg it [20:40] dartmouth: *then* do the libdrm package [20:41] oh sweet; I've not played around with makepkg yet [20:41] dartmouth: study the manpage, mmmkay? [20:41] dartmouth: you know i will bash you over the head for asking questions which have answers in makepkg(8), right? :P [20:42] willdo; just as a matter of 'good practice' for package management, should I be removepkg'ing packages before installpkg'ing them? [20:42] oh of course lol [20:42] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:42] dartmouth: that, or use upgradepkg [20:42] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:42] dartmouth: and make sure you get the naming convention correct :P [20:43] makepkg -c y -l y libdrm-2.10.4-i486-1 [20:43] in the DESTDIR [20:43] but again.. do the dri2proto package first [20:44] oh, wait.. i think dri2proto on -current is up to date [20:45] dartmouth: you go check that, and report to me if dri2proto-1.1 is the latest :P [20:45] errr i think it is libdrm-2.4.10-i486-1 [20:47] mirash1 (n=user@117.196.130.240) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:48] brb company [20:48] sajonara guys, thanks, i ll be around here :) [20:48] argg i dont have hexedit [20:49] khexedit? [20:49] t0f (n=foo@wlbr-208-103-146-21.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] oh yeaaaaaah [20:49] i'm installing kvm from slackbuilds.org and i wonder what quemu sources to use and shuoo [20:49] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:50] should quemu be installed before or after (saw the check for kquemu. [20:50] mirash (n=user@117.196.128.168) left irc: Connection timed out [20:51] nille__: ask nullboy when he is around.. he is the local *quemu guru [20:51] nille__: however, if kquemu is is applicable to you or not depends on what CPU you have [20:51] i dont even remember the last time nullboy was in here.. [20:51] Hey frullet. How are you? [20:51] well i haven't seen him since he got rejected by that chick [20:51] ?!? [20:51] firebird619: yeh not to bad, yourself [20:52] ouch [20:52] doing great, thanks. :) [20:52] yeh, he wigged out pretty hard after that [20:52] I use qemu but never used kvm [20:53] i got an intel T2400 [20:53] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [20:53] if it requires qemu then install that and kqemu first [20:53] I would say [20:53] i think kvm is faster so i wanted to try it out [20:53] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:53] well i says it needs an patched quemu [20:53] patched? [20:53] hmm [20:54] maybe thrice` would know about that? [20:54] he's the qemu maintainer [20:54] I'm the kqemu [20:54] s/maintainer/SBo maintainer/ [20:54] er yah [20:54] ... not to give anyone the wrong ideas :P [20:55] lol [20:55] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:56] Hakudoshi (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:56] the modified qemu userland binary kvm uses is regularly synced to qemu proper [20:56] mizuu (n=kra@92.52.14.4) left irc: "Leaving" [20:56] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] but kvm still has several advantages such as smp gues support [20:57] ? [20:57] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the chann [20:57] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] Action: dive waves at Old_Fogie [20:57] Action: macavity highfives Old_Fogie [20:57] Action: nille__ waves back [20:57] Old_Fogie: ok, now i have it all fixed [20:57] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [20:57] WHATS UP BRO [20:58] macavity, the "if-i-upgrade-what-might-fail.sh" ? [20:58] kqemu is pretty much unsupported and unmaintained, YMMV [20:58] chowabunga, dive, firebird619 :) [20:58] Old_Fogie: "i haz complete buildorder" [20:58] macavity, as part of the 'what breaks' [20:58] .sh [20:59] i_wish_i_hadnt_run_this.sh [20:59] dive, hahah, been there, I'm the original author of that one :) [20:59] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:59] I should start a web site called "dont-do-this.com" [20:59] yeah needs to be done [21:00] although some might argue that ms.com is a bit like that [21:00] Old_Fogie: www.dontdothis.com exists. :) [21:00] I've sat on debian and ran installpkg for $DIETY knows how long til' I realized what I was on , hee hee, yea I make some good oopsies. [21:00] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] macavity, so is there a release date for your script? [21:01] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:02] Old_Fogie: http://pastebin.ca/1424263 [21:02] fast tabbing between my scripts dir and another that I was testing script out on, 'rm *' in wrong tab [21:02] Old_Fogie: that is the list :P [21:02] Old_Fogie: i can mail them to you? [21:02] Old_Fogie: any packages in the list that are not in either x/ or xap/ can be omited [21:02] sure you still have my email addy? [21:03] Old_Fogie: i think i lost it [21:03] I pm ya with it then [21:03] kkthxbai [21:03] :P [21:05] yht|off (n=yht@114.121.10.231) left irc: "I must go.." [21:05] macavity, hmmm, not sure I agree on some of the order, and one thing I know is missing is you have to do rebuilds or cairo, and pango over and over 2x so they both build each other. [21:06] macavity, I'll send you a diff of some of the things I see on your mail to me [21:08] Action: chowabunga is having fun with toast! [21:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:09] mirash (n=user@117.196.130.6) joined ##slackware. [21:10] I don't think I can follow the order in the pastebin, it doesn't correspond to anything I've ever done :D [21:10] hey guys [21:11] noob question...is qt3 part of current? [21:11] psychicist, well going by a pure ldd method (which I believe he is using here) can be, error prone. Like, libtool is shown way down in the list. But we all know that's needed early on. What happened there is, some app literally 'linked' to libtool and it's "rearing it's ugly head" that far down the list. [21:12] neonflux: it's part of extra/kde3-compat/ [21:12] but it's a good resource none the less. you at least have some kind of idea of what's going on [21:13] j0z (n=JESUS@189.73.45.160) joined ##slackware. [21:13] BP{k}: thanks [21:13] psychicist: just omit anything that is not found in either x/ nor xap/ [21:14] Old_Fogie: oh, observe that this pulls in a shit load of things that is not strictly needed to be rebuild [21:14] Old_Fogie: I agree, I have his scripts and will take a look at what they really do and how that corresponds to reality (or at least my version of it) [21:14] macavity, ok [21:14] Old_Fogie: you take the stuff that you want to rebuild, then you do it in the order found in the list [21:15] Old_Fogie: you do not need to rebuild aaa_elflibs ;-) [21:15] macavity, hahah, yeah on my 12.1 repo, I only have about 20% left of the original contents, since I change out so much. [21:15] of the aaa-elf [21:15] I mean [21:16] working my way to --current. [21:16] just take the list as a relative buildorder list :P [21:16] yea sure. you need something to start with yup [21:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:17] in the examble i mailed you, see if you can find a way to strip out buildorder, while preserving the order, till there is nothing left but the stuff mentioned in packagelist [21:17] macavity, my little project started with a full install, but no 'e,xap,kde' and then building gnome, then backport kde 3.5.10 to slack 12.1. now it's basically try ing to see if I can upgrade what I have to --current,and lose kde 3.5.10 and add kde4 [21:18] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] macavity, as in removepkg anything not in the list [21:18] ? [21:18] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [21:18] no no [21:18] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.81) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:18] macavity: it works well that way, but in reality you will hit circular dependency problems at various stages. I think irc isn't a suitable medium to lay out the situation you find yourself in when building from scratch :) [21:18] just getting all the "non-belinging" packages out of buildorder [21:18] t0f (n=foo@wlbr-208-103-146-21.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:19] Hey MLanden, how are you? [21:19] Fine firebird619 and how about yourself? [21:19] psychicist, 'circular' meaning 'rebuilds' ? [21:19] doing great, thank you. :) [21:19] psychicist: i can assure you that there are no circular dependencies in slackware [21:19] firebird619: good,good [21:20] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] psychicist: i ran the script on all packages (which takes 4.5 hours on a 2.16GHz Core2duo), and tsort does not bitch at me [21:20] psychicist: and trust me.. tsort is designed to catch that :P [21:20] macavity: there are, but it's more in terms of packages depending on each other for completeness such as docs etc. [21:21] psychicist: ah, ok.. but wrt linking to .so files there is not [21:21] macavity, psychicist yes but cairo/glib2/pango/poppler is a rebuild over n over ; so is glib2 and gamin ; and ghostscript is another one with glib ; [21:21] is that circular or rebuild depends? I'm not sure I'm using same lang as you guys there [21:22] Old_Fogie: circular dependency is when libfoo refuses to compile if libbar is not installed... and vice versa [21:22] Old_Fogie: eg, you get to kill developers for that [21:22] oh the and vice versa is not what I'm getting. I do find that about 30 apps in stock slackware need to be built, then something else , then rebuild the first app [21:22] zlinux[] (n=zlinux@79.172.182.183) joined ##slackware. [21:23] but I've yet to find, I can't build either of the two at all. [21:23] Old_Fogie: libdep should make that a lot easier for you to figure out [21:23] does 2gb of swap enough ? .... knowing that the system already has 4gb or ram [21:23] -does + is [21:23] paissad: do you expect to hibernate it? [21:24] Old_Fogie: it doesn't matter how you call it, binaries don't depend on each other, but packages do [21:24] yes, not a lot, but i would hibernate it instead of halt .. [21:24] paissad, depends on the use. but for a normal desktip user, I've yet to see over 512 needed and I'm on antiques that need it. [21:24] paissad: do you expect to go to hibernation from a state where more than 2GB RAM is in use? [21:24] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] macavity, yes , quite sure [21:24] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:25] paissad: then you probably need a swap wich is big enough to hold the RAM... [21:25] paissad: btw, didnt i explain this to you a couple of hours ago?!? [21:25] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [21:25] macavity, of i see what you mean ..... no you did not explain it to me, maybe someone else [21:25] thanks [21:25] ip-route (n=iproute@200.172.83.136) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:25] i take 4gb or swap, i have enough space in the disk [21:26] -or +of [21:27] http://freshmeat.net/projects/wificonfig [21:28] I used to have my laptop hibernate to a swap file not parition, worked well. not sure if 12.2 supports it or not, but 11 did. [21:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:34] Old_Fogie: i think that is the most awesome round of grep raping ive ever done :P [21:35] Old_Fogie: actually grep does all the heavy lifting [21:35] digitaloktay (n=chatzill@dslb-084-056-239-171.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [21:36] macavity, ahah, yea I know what you mean. by the way, I've borrowed your "for i in $i(cat file) do...." for a bunch of scripts , that's just great script-fu there. [21:36] _fb (n=aa@210.54.148.202) left ##slackware. [21:36] hey [21:36] im back [21:36] I had done the 'intention' of that for a while now, but certainly not in so few of words, or as clean. [21:36] is it possible to make an extended partition into fd type (LInux raid auto) ? ... i put my whole disk into an extended partition .... there's no primary partition in it [21:36] man... anyone here evey play halo 3? [21:36] just logical ones ... [21:37] Cann0n, on xbox I play it. finished it too. [21:37] Cann0n: wb [21:37] Old_Fogie: yet you provided me with the key to it all: objdump | grep NEEDED [21:37] macavity: now if you rewrote it in C, that would give it a nice speed up :) [21:37] Old_Fogie, ok but i have problems with that i am gsb user :|, btw thx [21:37] macavity, collaboration :) [21:37] i hate halo3... this kid was all like "check out this video of me playing..." [21:37] i just want to know which of the extended partition or the logical partitions must i put into (Linux raid auto ?) [21:37] MLanden: hey :) [21:37] fd [21:37] Old_Fogie: hows it going? [21:37] Old_Fogie: so, the sum is greater than its parts :-) [21:38] Cann0n, hello :) [21:38] macavity, very true [21:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:38] psychicist: i dont intend to even try that [21:38] long time pal [21:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:38] psychicist: i utterly *suck* at string mangling in C :P [21:38] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.152.1) left irc: Connection timed out [21:39] Hey Cann0n [21:39] hey firebird619 [21:40] firebird619, you may want to hit up Cann0n for some tips on the fluxbox, he had a nice layout before [21:40] psychicist: i'm good with arrays of structs of arrays of pointers to structs of linked lists though :P [21:40] i want to install slamd 12.2 and i have 12.1 (32bits) with the same HOME, can i get problems with this? [21:41] firebird619: want my entire ~/fluxbox ? might help you out [21:41] psychicist: that was the "native data type" i used for fast heuristic for approximating a solution to an NP hard problem [21:41] psychicist: you know you have it right when the last 13 lines if the main loop is closing }s [21:42] ovnicraft: As far as keeping your /home, I don't think you'll have problems with that, but I've never used slamd before. [21:42] ovnicraft, I cant offer help, but your questions isn't clear to me tho. are you replacing slack 12.1 with slamd? or are you putting slamd on a separate paritition and keeping slack 12.1 [21:42] i need to redo my menu back when i had it in seperate files on 12.1 [21:42] ovnicraft: if something in KDE changed format between the two version, little glitches may show up [21:42] Cann0n: Uh, sure if you don't mind. [21:42] ovnicraft: you only have . files there anyway, so it is all amendable if something fscks up some way or another [21:42] macavity: I was just kidding, the script being functional is more important and getting every performance bit out of it. I think I suck at the string stuff too :) [21:43] s/and/than/ [21:43] Old_Fogie: How I understand it, ovnicraft wants to go from slack 12.1 to slamd 12.2 and wants to know if he'll have issues with his /home from slack 12.1/ [21:43] psychicist: id rather sit down all day and figure out how to use flex than do it by hand for sure :P [21:43] I have installed 12.1, i am going to install slamd 12.2, and i want to configure my slamd with the same HOME from my 12.1 [21:43] we gathered allready ovnicraft [21:44] ovnicraft, yea but are you removing 12.1 and putting slamd in it's place [21:44] ovnicraft: yes, you can tell the installer not to format home and everything will still be there. [21:44] go ahead and do it.. and if something wont play nice because of the .files, just upgrade 12.1 to 12.2 too, and you should be fully golden [21:45] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:45] firebird619, yes i know that i can say that to installer [21:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:45] Old_Fogie, No i am going to install slamd in another partition [21:45] mirash (n=user@117.196.130.6) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:45] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:45] macavity: you probably already realise this problem is what gentoo tried to solve, but they failed because of the portage and ebuild mess (I can't put to words how broken it really is) [21:46] So you want to install slamd on another partition and use home from the partition slack is on? [21:46] ovnicraft: ^^^ [21:47] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] firebird619: mind whispering your email? [21:48] Cann0n: sure, pm? [21:48] thats cool [21:48] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-98-39.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] offtopic: wow, ron pauls son sounds just like him this is "eery" [21:49] like, his voice, identical. [21:49] very eerie [21:49] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-98-39.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Peace out ;-)"). [21:49] psychicist: i know.. the problem is that libtool is broken [21:50] I've seen/heard Ron Paul, I've never seen/heard his son before though. [21:50] yea his son is running for an office somewhere's here according to the news. [21:50] psychicist: observe that only the apps that linked to libx11 using libtool got the libxcb-libx contamination [21:50] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@78.176.57.194) left irc: "Internets cured me of my muslim" [21:50] psychicist: that link is strictly not needed [21:51] heard his son when Ron Paul was grassrootin' for the vote [21:51] psychicist: as in, you can just remove the link in the ELF table with a binary editor, and everything still works as intended [21:51] Old_Fogie: ah, I didn't know that. Like father like son I guess. :) [21:51] MLanden, ah ok. [21:51] psychicist: it is libx11 and not the app that links to libxcb-libx [21:51] mirash (n=user@117.196.133.153) joined ##slackware. [21:52] macavity: is there a replacement for libtool or a version that isn't broken? I don't think I realise what libtool really does, but there's a difference between buildtime and runtime dependencies that most package managers don't get right [21:52] firebird619, man, seeing how ron paul connected to the youth, could ya imagine a younger ron paul , what he'd do . disclaimer: I didnt vote/like ron paul, but can identify he did a great job gaining support. [21:53] gaaah, this ati card is really messing with my head :S [21:53] psychicist: the problem is that this behaviour is "correct".. in the sense that on the systems that cant proberly link, libtool does this [21:53] Old_Fogie: yeah, he did a realy good job, it'll be interesting to see how the son does. [21:53] I just can't make both hibernation and dual-head [21:53] psychicist: the *real* problem is that this is not strictly nessecary on "proper" GNU deriatives [21:53] firebird619, yup [21:53] psychicist: so here it just looks like an annoying little bug [21:54] psychicist: i will look into libtool one of the days, and get in contact with the mailing list [21:54] Old_Fogie: always good to hear an alternative voice [21:54] MLanden, I promised myself I would do that more. [21:54] psychicist: frankly i dont think the bulk of the distroes have even *noticed* that the libxcb-xlib dependency is superflourus.. they just give Keith flack for chaning a .so name [21:54] Old_Fogie: ya keeping that promise to yourself? [21:55] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:55] firebird619, yea I am believe it or not. in fact, ?maybe? a result of it, I quit the conservative party after being a lifelong member [21:55] Old_Fogie: good to hear :-) [21:56] macavity: tell me if you know more, because libtool pulling in not strictly neccessary libraries just doesn't seem right. [21:57] macavity: are you subscribed to any of the fsf/gnu mailing lists? I couldn't find information on how to do that, but rsavoye of gnash, gcc and dejagnu fame told me they have one dedicated to loongson development as well [21:57] macavity, fwiw I built all of my packages, and the ones I replace from slack with libtool 2.x series, not one thing breaks (that I've seen yet) been running it now for about, mmm 2 weeks or so. [21:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] Old_Fogie: thanks for the heads up on libtool 2.x.. ill have to hack against the latest version [21:59] psychicist: i promise i will share with you all [21:59] psychicist: in fact, i am rather intent on getting this fixed [22:00] psychicist: as in, fixed in upstream [22:00] macavity, yes one day I decided I was going to build bleeding edge pulseaudio, that requires the new libtool, ... the end result, I "decreed" that pulseaudio is 'yet another waste of my free time' so I rm'd the packages, and kept the libtool, ran my 'build-all-old-fogie-packages.sh' with it, been golden so far. [22:01] firebird619: sending now. hope you find it helpful! [22:01] macavity: good to hear, I'll wait for your response [22:01] Cann0n: Thank you. :) [22:01] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:01] Old_Fogie: would you be so kind as to build gimp with the official slackbuild, and grep its .la files for libxcb-xlib? [22:02] Old_Fogie: if this is indeed fixed in 2.x, i may very well be banging my head against a moot problem [22:02] Old_Fogie: i take it that you xorg is still pretty much layed out like slackware? [22:02] Old_Fogie: or rather, that find-xcb-packages generates a rather long list? [22:03] macavity, my gimp is built to see python 2.6 (from --current) ; but it links to gnome 2.26.1 [22:03] quite possibly, my gimp hooks to a gnome lib that hooks to that? [22:03] macavity, my x on 12.1 is more like 12.2 now (uses mesa from 12.2 and intel from 12.2) [22:03] uhm [22:04] my repo is a 'hodge-podge' :) [22:04] is *all* you packages build with libtool 2? [22:04] Cann0n: got it. Thanks again. [22:04] yes all packages built by me are libtool 2 [22:04] macavity, so is ubunut too fwiw [22:04] macavity, they use libtool 2 [22:04] oh wait.. your x/ stil stock slackware? [22:04] macavity, yes [22:04] then it will carry over [22:05] except rebuils for some of the libs that needed a rebuilt [22:05] that is how libtool archives work [22:05] the nutbuntu people may very well have missed the fact that to get rid of this you need to start at the bottom of the stack [22:05] ... *and* you need libtool fixed [22:05] I've read somewhere that red hat/fedora even delete the .la files [22:06] yea debian/derivs dont usually do that [22:06] but as i said, that is my next project to look into [22:06] and now i need to reboot my brain :P [22:06] macavity, ah good night :) [22:06] lol night macavity [22:06] good night fine gentlemen and gentleladies :-) [22:06] macavity: good night [22:06] thank you for yet another enlightening hack session [22:06] Action: Cann0n bids macavity a farewell. [22:07] Action: macavity bows and disapears in a puff of logic [22:07] there goes the only man that could have bared my child... [22:07] that is one cool frood [22:07] wow, where'd he go? :P [22:07] Action: MLanden smells the puff and comments "Smells a hint like pumpkin"....:D [22:08] MLanden: smelled like weed to me. [22:08] :D [22:08] sorry about this question i shoud only ask into #slamd64 [22:08] :D [22:08] is there a mirror or site just like slackbuild.org for slamd64 ? [22:08] nille__ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [22:09] builds.slamd64.org [22:09] Hey Urchlay, how are you? [22:09] it's fairly new, not as much stuff there as SBo, but growing [22:09] hola fbird [22:09] man... i should have finished that fluxbox menu... [22:09] Cann0n: btw, I already have flux rebuilt for imlib2. [22:09] been being "retro", playing Quake I [22:10] mirash1 (i=user@117.196.132.34) joined ##slackware. [22:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Urchlay: what are you using as the engine? [22:10] i had it all layed out in categories /menu/favorites /menu/office etc [22:10] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:10] i dont know what to say when my dad asks "Linux is an operating system, right?" [22:10] Cann0n: wow, you had it configured to the max huh. [22:11] tried too lol [22:11] MLanden: trying different ones. Original idsoft quake, darkplaces, and quakeforge, for now [22:11] nooper its more than a OS, its a way of life! :) [22:11] Urchlay: sound sweet...:D [22:11] the meu is what lacks now... but still... i hand wrote that entire menu file. thats my old one. [22:11] higuita: yeah, but its just a kernel, no? the distro is the OS? [22:11] id software quake is a bit bogus. Got it to compile on a modern slackware install, but I've failed to get the mouse working in the GLX version (the mouse *buttons* work... grrr) [22:12] Urchlay, just see pubs at that site ! [22:12] quakeforge light on memory? [22:12] MLanden: I haven't even checked memory usage yet, currently going for functionality :) [22:12] firebird619: besure you have xfce-mcs-manager run with fluxbox. [22:12] paissad: eh? what site? [22:12] makes apps pretty :) [22:12] Urchlay: hear ya [22:12] Urchlay, slamd64.org [22:13] i figured that out on my own... but so did like a million others so that killed my break through when i found out i wasnt to only one :( [22:13] yes, tecnically its correct, linux its the kernel, the OS is the distro... but as almost all distros uses the linux kernel and the glibc, isnt too wrong to say that the linux is the OS [22:13] Cann0n: yup, already have that going otherwise thunar's icons were messed up. I'm using pcmanfm now. :) [22:14] MLanden: quakeforge so far works pretty well, provided I use the sdl sound plugin (not the alsa one), and provided I want to play at #%^@$#& 640x480 or else always run it with -width and -height options. Can't seem to get it to "stick" in the config file. [22:14] i use pcmanfm too :) also, VLC wont work with xfce-mcs-manager that way [22:14] I don't even have vlc installed atm, been using mplayer. [22:14] im going to rebuild my menu tree one day [22:15] VLC sucks. mplayer is better. [22:15] and one day, it will be GREAT. :) [22:15] i used VLC before it was easier getting the deps mplayer... or before i found out about SBos lol [22:15] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:15] tew (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Urchlay: OUCH...640x480 [22:16] Nick change: tew -> tewmten [22:16] mirash2 (n=user@117.196.131.227) joined ##slackware. [22:16] i just wish mplayer had a music manager plug in [22:16] Cann0n: amarok :) [22:16] MLanden: nq-glx -width 1024 -height 768 <--- this works fine. But I have to run it that way every time (it ignores vid_width and vid_height in config.cfg, though it does honor vid_fullscreen) [22:17] Cann0n: xmms. :P [22:17] my poor old laptop only goes to 1024x768 btw :) [22:17] Urchlay: that's it? what laptop? [22:17] sony vaio from 2002 [22:17] thumbs: that's what i use. :) but it's bloated as hell... but i dont mind. Amarok handles my 10 gigs and keeps things organized [22:17] Cann0n: serves me well here. [22:17] firebird619: you check out that exit script? [22:17] model number is a string of random letters/digits I can't be bothered to remember [22:17] Cann0n: looking at it now. :) [22:17] Cann0n: even without KDE as my DE, it launches fast [22:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:18] pcg-fxa49 apparently [22:18] thumbs: yeah, it's ok for me. i only have 256MB ram tho... [22:18] Cann0n: get more ram. :P 256 is nothing anymore. :) [22:19] this laptop is old now... plus, with fluxbox + 2.8GHz, this machine runs pretty sweet on low ram [22:19] it was nice in 2002, I'll give it that [22:19] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] Urchlay: but now, it's 2009. :) Is that the one you were having issues with the hdd or whatever not to long ago? [22:22] hey firebird619 how is everything going? [22:22] Hey lf4, going great, how are you? [22:23] doing well i guess, might be coming down with a cold. [22:23] Ugh, that sucks. [22:23] Yeah it does [22:23] firebird619: yeah. Hard drive claims to be failing, according to SMART (but I haven't had any actual errors yet)... also the backlight is dying, and I've lost the battery [22:24] :O, time for a new one. :) [22:25] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] well we ain't all rolling in money, I have to get by on what I can afford [22:26] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:27] darkplaces BTW is really really nice, but performs like crap on that laptop (it's OK on my amd64 desktop) [22:27] Urchlay: do you know anyone rolling in money? that maybe I could grab a few rolls from? ;) [22:27] Urchlay: checking the diff files for it..might be a glitch in context_x11.c [22:27] lf4: such people use their money to insulate themselves from folks like me [22:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:28] Urchlay: I'm certainly not rolling in money. I know what you mean. [22:29] mirash (n=user@117.196.133.153) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:29] MLanden: what, the quakeforge inability to read the resolution from the config file? Apparently quakeforge development stopped in 2004 and started back up in 2007, but they haven't done a release since 2004 (I need to build from SVN instead of the release) [22:29] Urchlay: right [22:29] lf4: good idea, lets find someone like that and see if we can have a few rolls. :) [22:30] I wish I was rolling in money [22:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] y0 eviljames. How goes it? [22:30] wassup miss selfpwn [22:30] firebird619: just getting started.. yourself? [22:31] doing great, thanks. :) [22:31] Sittin on the balcony, having a puff, having a cigar and having a La Fin Du Monde [22:31] mirash (n=user@117.196.128.134) joined ##slackware. [22:31] (La Fin Du Monde = the beer I'm drinking Camarade_Tux will understand) [22:31] Hmm, rolling in money, think ol Billy Gates would give us some. :P [22:32] haha [22:32] "I wouldn't switch to Windows if you paid me!!" "ORLY?!" [22:32] mirash1 (i=user@117.196.132.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:32] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:32] That would probably be his stipulation, you use windows I'll give you money. In which case I'd say keep your money. [22:33] t0f (n=foo@wlk-barre-69-72-77-223.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] agh, crap. How are SVN repository URLs constructed? [22:35] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:35] trying to do "svn co http://quake.svn.sourceforge.net/quake/quakeforge" but that URL isn't valid apparently [22:35] wouldn't it be svn co svn://quake.svn.sou.... [22:36] did you put 'quake' or something at the end? [22:36] nah [22:36] figured it out [22:36] svn co http://quake.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quake quakeforge [22:36] except I think maybe I shoulda only checked out trunk, not all the branches... [22:37] toytoy (n=dindin@112.202.44.242) joined ##slackware. [22:37] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:38] Urchlay: definitely. [22:38] mirash2 (n=user@117.196.131.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:39] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] grr. it keeps pulling stuff that isn't showing in the web-viewer. Here: http://quake.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/quake/quakeforge/trunk/ [22:41] I want only to pull that directory. Why's it keep grabbing htdocs, which includes a trunk/ and branches/? [22:41] (yes, I am a complete SVN noob. Sue me) [22:41] eh, or laugh at me if you want [22:41] Action: firebird619 sues Urchlay; finds out he won't get much. :P [22:42] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.205.37) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [22:42] ah. Correct command appears to be: svn co http://quake.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quake/quakeforge/trun [22:43] er, with a k at the end there... [22:44] the k is for karate. [22:45] and I'm an svn noob myself, only time I really put it to use was automatically with netbeans. [22:45] zau-ngast (n=zau-ngas@dslb-088-065-072-139.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] now that it's checked out, the instructions are hilarious. They say to run ./bootstrap, which does not in fact exist... yay [22:45] oh, wait, yes it does [22:45] trunk = take, run, use, now, k (ok). :P [22:46] I disagree. trunk = take, run, use, now, karate. [22:46] I like karate better, but it doesn't fit as well imo. [22:46] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:48] I don't understand what's going on [22:48] 8pm, friday. isn't it clear? booze. [22:48] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.123.22) joined ##slackware. [22:48] eh, I'm learning how to do something new, and I can't seem to just STFU and do it, have to bitch about it :) [22:49] wtf [22:49] Not gonna learn something without a fight? [22:49] Nick change: dhabyx -> jaguargt [22:49] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [22:49] svn co http://quake.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/quake/quakeforge/ trunk [22:49] I think. [22:49] I ended up with this: [22:49] svn export -r '{20090515}' http://quake.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/quake/quakeforge/trunk quakeforge-snapshot-20090515 [22:50] Have you considered checking their website and seeing what they recommend downloading? [22:50] (the -r is redundant, that's today's date, but I'm making a slackbuild) [22:50] Oh, you're trying to check out a specific revision. 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[22:57] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:57] edman007: Congratulations. :) [22:57] and so far, the two grade in are both As :D [22:57] edman007: best of luck [22:57] Nice [22:57] ...but those are also my two bests classes.. [22:57] edman007: good work. :P [22:57] thanks :) [22:58] What do you *think* you'll get on the other classes? [22:58] Action: ananke is also excited. no students for the next couple of months [22:58] Hey ananke, how are you? [22:58] waiting for the students to leave town :) [22:58] :) [22:59] firebird619, well mostly A to B+...but some of them i have really really mixed grades (so i see A and C+ as equally likely...) [22:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:59] booteco (n=zimmerma@189.123.194.27) left irc: "Saindo" [22:59] VT graduation was today. i expect in the next week everything will be cleared out [22:59] my graduation is sunday :) [22:59] edman007: that'd be alright. could be worse, i.e. Fs. :D [23:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:00] firebird619, yea, well i know i'm not failing anything, and i know that i will pass everything, right now the only thing is what side of the 3.5GPA mark will i graduate on... [23:01] edman007: Well best of luck to ya in all your future endeavors. :) [23:01] thanks :) [23:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:02] How many are in the graduating class? [23:03] Urchlay: what about using the tarball? [23:03] well from what i understand there are around 700-800 students on this campus, but the graduation is for two campuses (no space in NYC), so i would guess 200-300...maybe more... [23:04] wow, fairly big class then. [23:04] _guitarm1n_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] yea...they got six tents set up...each looks like they could hold maybe a thousand or so people... [23:04] Urchlay: what about http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=svn&group_id=882 [23:04] each student gets 5 tickets too... [23:05] nice [23:05] hmm, maybe its less...how many people fit in fold up chairs in an area 2/3 the size of a football field? [23:05] we got about 6 tents that size [23:06] and figure for every 6 chairs there is 1 student [23:07] eviljames: yeah, if there's a way to get their SVN viewer to give me a specific revision... [23:08] eviljames: am writing a slackbuild which will get submitted to SBo, don't want it to always build whatever the latest is, want it to build the revision I wrote the script for [23:08] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [23:09] firebird619, hmm, actually....i'm looking last year they said 2000 graduates... [23:10] well lets just say i don't know what is going on [23:10] http://www.nyit.edu/about_nyit/photos/photos_of_commencement_2008/ <- some pics/quotes from last year [23:11] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:11] take care,folks [23:11] leaving? [23:11] adios MLanden [23:11] but i just got here [23:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:12] edman007: cool, thanks for the link. [23:13] firebird619, yup, now give me my degree, i want to get out of here [23:13] what's the degree in? [23:14] edman007: if I could I would. :) [23:14] danc3, BS Electrical & Computer Engineering [23:14] nice [23:14] :) [23:14] congrats [23:15] thanks [23:15] now time to watch a vid of a retard [23:15] Obama news clip? [23:15] or Pelosi? [23:16] guy trying to jump over a damn spillway... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UScyMoMTVg [23:16] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:16] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:16] i'm just looking at the angle, and its clear you can't do it without hitting concrete [23:17] and these kids helping him are tards too...going to break his back picking him up like that [23:19] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-219-232-250.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:20] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:23] Old_Fogie, i iz done with finals [23:23] give me beer [23:23] and booz [23:23] e [23:23] and female cheerleaders [23:23] hiya Old_Fogie:) [23:23] "no cheerleaders for you!" :) [23:23] lol [23:23] :) [23:24] :( [23:24] congrats edman007 :) hiya hitest [23:24] hitest, hey, you are here!?!? [23:24] :) [23:24] wtf happened last night? [23:24] ha [23:24] i got no beer or cheerleaders :( [23:24] sorry [23:24] edman007, just think...one year now, and your loans kick in ! /me chuckles. [23:25] Old_Fogie, i think i can get rid of all my loans in under 1 year [23:25] nice [23:25] bankrupcy like the rest of em' ? [23:25] the and i get a few months of paying loans with zero interest.. [23:26] yeah if you can pay em' off, do it, it'll be fantastic for the credit rating. [23:26] Old_Fogie, i just got a job, yearly salary is over twice that of the total value of all my loans [23:26] so...i think i can pull it off [23:27] and it better be good for my credit rating, considering i don't have any credit rating at all... [23:27] cool [23:27] live cheap my friend, live cheap [23:27] superGear (i=1000@75-171-185-117.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] edman007: engineering firm? [23:27] xdoctor (n=avs@201.78.205.37) left irc: "leaving" [23:27] not exactly a "firm"...not even a company or business ;) [23:28] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.11.211) joined ##slackware. [23:28] a project? [23:28] woo i think i'm getting straight A's again this semester [23:28] hitest, federal gov :) [23:29] awesome [23:29] edman007, actually, a one time boom! payoff is no good for rating, but let's be honest, having no debt, is no debt. it still get's reported, the 'payoff'. but having some debt is actually good, so long as it's well balanced if you get my drift. but even an apartment can count for ya, it all depends. [23:29] good score [23:30] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-76-105-123-64.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:30] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:30] "If it wasn't for disappointment, I wouldn't have any appointments..." [23:30] Old_Fogie, yea, i know, but if i don't pay em off fast i will drown in interest, maybe if i get a CC, and pay them off with the CC kinda fast, pay that off too...pass the money around to boost the rating, lol [23:30] edman007, nah dont do that at all. [23:31] does not help? [23:31] nope [23:31] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:31] your goal is to get an 'amex' card, and if/when you get it, you charge, and then pay it off at end of the month. you really want a boost to your credit rating , that's the ticket there. [23:32] but I'd say set a realistic time line, pay off the loan in half the time. as a young adult, there's things you need, apartment, business clothes, etc. these things'll come up. dont get a credit card, get an amex card. [23:32] hmm, i got to find something to boost my credit...right now i'm the type of person that just lives without credit (rare huh)...and i know that if i get a CC i will just pay the whole thing off every month, and most don't like that [23:33] a) borrow money and pay it back, b) get married to somebody who has good credit score [23:33] and yes, having no credit history is almost worse than having bad credit history [23:34] I have an excellent credit rating on the plus side of 800. I use my credit cards a lot, but, always pay off the balances. I've bought a few houses, and I pay off my debts on time. Use common sense and you'll establish yourself as a good credit risk. I only borrow what I can pay off. [23:34] edman007, the rule of thumb is 8 months of *all* your bills in cash , in the bank prior to paying off something like a loan. so keep that in mind. [23:34] that's the 'rule of life' [23:35] never go below 8 months. [23:35] hmm, yea... [23:35] good rule of thumb. hard miniumu is 3-4 months [23:36] yea, after you have that cash, then you can think of a car, or a new computer, whatever. never go below that. cuz on average, most people are not out of work 12 months. and unemployment = 3 months. so you're talking a year paid/covered (pick the language). [23:36] edman007: using a cc to pay off others only works if you can get one of those special deals (like 1-2%), pay off the others, and _don't_ use that card until it's paid off, you may be able to get away with it [23:36] bugger. SVN quakeforge also doesn't honor vid_height and vid_width from the conf file. [23:36] no, cuz credit cards are interest on interst. a college loan is fixed interest over time. they are very diff. [23:37] known as compounded monthly :) [23:37] alisonken1home, no, i'm not saying pay off the whole loan with a CC, pay as much as possible with the CC such that i can keep its balance at zero [23:37] you never use an interest on interest to pay off a fixed. [23:38] and some cc's use daily average compounded interest [23:38] well. It does honor them in the global /etc/quakeforge.conf, but not the user's config.cfg. Crap. [23:38] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:38] but doing it that way wouldn't they see the loan getting paid off and the CC getting paid off, thats good right? [23:38] time to hack up the code [23:39] if he got a low interest rate, it'll be intro only since he has no credit, then it will go higher, and he'll fall into the trap. don't get the cc. get a pay at end of month type credit card. that way it must be zero, and you dont fall in the trap. [23:39] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-14-58.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] If you must borrow money use a line of credit as the interest rate is lower than a credit card.....never carry a balance on a credit card.....credit card companies are loan sharks. [23:39] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:39] don't forget that your cc's also affect your score - like how much available balance is for that cc account is counted towards your debt ratio. that's why it's ok to have one high card, but make the companies of the other cards keep available balance down to around $1K max [23:39] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] hitest, yes but as a new grad, he wont get a line of credit tho. [23:40] hitest, see the thing is to get a very high credit rating you should carry a small balance...basically they see paying stuff off really fast as bad [23:40] it's also a good idea to have a low-available-balance card and use it for web purchases as well [23:40] credit companies want someone who will be paying interest - it's what pay's their salaries :) [23:41] (not as bad as having a high balance) [23:41] _allend (n=allend@CPE-124-176-235-32.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:41] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:41] alisonken1home, yea...my dad had a CC canceled for not carrying a balance [23:41] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.11.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:42] credit cards are just down right evil. an amex type, or secure credit is better for a young person. its' paid at the end of the month, shows activity, it's monthly reported. along with making the loan payments, and over time , give 4-5 years, you'll be at 6-700 in no time. [23:42] ...and i'm that type of person [23:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:43] well, we have a couple of cards - one card had a deal, so we paid the other cards with that one and hid it so no new charges on that one until it's paid off. the others have a lower balance, so it's not bad. PLus, it helps we have three incomes :) [23:43] edman007, too much open credit is bad too. [23:43] Old_Fogie: that's why we only keep 2-3 cards max [23:44] Old_Fogie: true.....I forget that I'm old:) edman007: work hard and pay down your debt. Take out some bank loans for items you need and pay them off. Use your CCs responsibly. Over time you will garner a good score. [23:45] hitest, yea...time... [23:45] alisonken1home, yea that's ok to do. it's when you play fictional : "hmmm if we maxed all them out, then had a clerical error, and they went to the bad rate - could we pay them?" that's what's factored into fico scores. well work history too, but that's a huge thing. people think, oh I only got 3 cards at 10K$ max...and their low points, but that's part of it. [23:46] Old_Fogie: yeah - they forget about the high available balance going against your score [23:46] yeah it's a real game. [23:46] that's why I suggest one high balance, but the rest low balances [23:46] they really need to give *all* high school and college students a class on this. it's B$ that young people are not made aware of any this, and have to find out the hard way. [23:47] thats why you need to pay off your cards on the first billing cycle [23:47] true - although with the way cc companies practically _give_ college students cards, it's hard to get them to find the time between classes to learn personal finance [23:47] and not carry any balances. [23:47] edman007: yes, time:) remember I'm 51. it took me a long time to get an excellent score. you'll get it. [23:48] mishehu: keep in mind cc's have been cancelled due to not keeping a balance. it's a fine line to play, but you have to watch out for both sides [23:48] it might not take a long time [23:48] alisonken1home: I've never had a cc canceled on me for not carrying a balance, nor have I ever been penalized for paying the entire balance [23:48] alisonken1home, but that's not reported as 'bad' if a cc is reported as closed do to inactivity. [23:48] hitest: my wife got her first card in college, but she was smart enough to learn personal finance and kept her score excellent [23:49] inactivity != paying off the balance and not carrying [23:49] inactivity is simply not using it. [23:49] Old_Fogie: true - but it's a hassle to try and reopen an account/new account when that happens [23:49] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:49] right, it's not a positive, but it's not a negative. in fact depending on how much other debts you have, it might be a blessing, heh. [23:50] now, start opening and closing accoutns all over town, you'll hurt yourself. [23:50] _allend (n=allend@CPE-124-176-235-32.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] remember, when at the stores, just say "no" [23:50] mishehu, +1 [23:50] no I don't want your store's lousy credit card [23:51] no I don't want to buy that thing I don't really need [23:51] mishehu: keep in mind, interest is paid for unpaid balance - and merchant fees only go so far to keep the cc companies in the high-margin of cc and cc fraud. besides, paying the balance at the end of the month does not add to your credit score. credit companies (like banks and cc's) want a _credit_ history - which means payment over time, not between billing cycles [23:51] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [23:51] alisonken1home: you are incorrect about that actually [23:52] alisonken1home: the fact that you pay your balance off every month is a definite plus on your fico [23:52] alisonken1home: good for your wife! I'm old-fashioned when it comes to finance. You want to have more money coming in than going out. Save for the rainy day. Pay off your debts to the bastards who lent you the cash. [23:52] mishehu, up to a point... [23:52] edman007: I have never met a person with a perfect fico, so everything isup to a point. [23:52] it will bring down a very high score [23:52] mishehu: remember - it's not just fico scores that credit companies look at [23:52] edman007: no, it won't. [23:53] alisonken1home, I agree with mishehu on that. paying off balances on a credit card, and in a few short months/if not years is fantastic for fico. [23:53] alisonken1home: assets, etc. [23:53] whatever, i need a break, time for TV :P [23:53] I've been on this planet long enough to know how that system works :-) [23:53] fico is the one to really care about imo. [23:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:53] you can have an excellent fico score, but the bank may still turn you down for other things - like having too many credit inquiries on your account (like when you're shopping for a car and have 5-6 car dealerships doing credit checks) [23:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:54] Old_Fogie: not to mention you usually get credit line increases too when you do that, and a higher credit line improves credit scores [23:54] alisonken1home: the credit check itself counts a few fico points as well, and I don't know what its lifetime is. [23:54] paissad (n=paissad@111.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] mishehu, agreed. you're showing them, the more you give me, the more I can handle. yup. [23:54] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-219-232-250.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:55] mishehu: up to a point - credit companies will also look at how much available credit you have on accounts and take that as "what happens if they max out _all_ of those accounts too quickly?" [23:55] alisonken1home: I've not heard of that from reputable and knowledgeable lenders. [23:55] alisonken1home, all the 3 top three , dont report to each other, but they do look at your fico [23:56] I've heard of it from a few places. but that may have been from finance classes in the military [23:56] alisonken1home: can't trust everything in the military either :-) [23:56] and it's been quite a few years since then :) [23:56] Action: mishehu has been there and done that [23:56] alisonken1home, really 'fico' is hidden from real people (you and me) again, it's a shame. [23:56] Action: alisonken1home retired from Navy in '96 [23:56] Old_Fogie: s/shame/sham ? :-) [23:57] scam [23:57] Jean (n=jean@93-36-227-55.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:57] mishehu, yea , yup , yes [23:57] :) [23:57] hmm what else can I come up with that rhymes and makes sense. [23:57] it's just a number really, and past performance doesn't determine future performance. [23:58] well, regardless of whether the credit companies look at available balances or not, the wife and I look at available balances and think what would happen if they all got max'ed and one of our incomes suddenly dropped [23:58] alisonken1home, that's the key [23:58] alisonken1home: 6 months reserve money is what they say is the minimum. [23:58] they can call the numbers whatever they want, it's you knowing you can :) [23:58] and I agree. [23:59] mishehu, I go with 8 months, but yea, it's a must andmore people need to hear that too [23:59] just like with the home mortgage line of credit - we had a _huge_ available balance. Until a year and a half ago :) [00:00] --- Sat May 16 2009