[00:00] that sucks [00:00] tarballs [00:00] (obtained from looking int he slackware mirrors listed on slackware.com) [00:00] Linux-IRC pkgtool is pkg manager [00:00] Vokerding etal wrote it [00:00] its a shell script wrapper around a plain old tar archive. [00:01] *Volkerding [00:01] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [00:01] Linux-IRC: ya, slackware does not have any dependancy metadata, at least not with it's native packages [00:01] with just enough smarts toi remember what was installed so it can be removed or upgraded later on. [00:01] jeev: http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm [00:02] unless anyhting has changed recently. [00:02] someone might want to give that to him, he blocks me. [00:02] certain slackware packages have been writen with dependancy metadata that slapt-get can understand, but slapt-get works just like slackpkg with packages that don't have it (expect with a better interface than slackpkg IMHO, but that's you call) [00:02] or they might not [00:02] Awe I clicked on that hoping it was for a bandpass crossover. [00:02] Quiznos: so it's tarball all the time, isn't it? no .deb or .rpm in slackware? [00:02] SiegeX: enough with that slapt-get bs. [00:02] nop [00:02] ^^^ [00:03] Linux-IRC but those can be used using alien [00:03] agentc0re: feel free to /ignore SiegeX at any time [00:03] i've had 4 crimpers in 3 months [00:03] i don't ignore anyone. [00:03] i dunno what i do with these things [00:03] then i'd miss out on all the fun. [00:04] well then why hinder your fun? [00:04] Quiznos: so how to get the dependencies installed in slackware and is it possible to connect to internet ? it's pppoe connection. [00:04] see like this.. how in the hell do you break/ruin crimpers? [00:04] Linux-IRC: you get the dependencies yourself [00:04] Linux-IRC there are no real deps on Slack [00:04] it's a mental process [00:04] but there are always exceptions. [00:04] would you reccomend me using the newest stable kernel, or the kernel version I currently have, but recompiled? [00:04] it requires you to think for yourself [00:04] Quiznos: that doesn't mean there's no deps, it means you figure out the dependencies yourself. [00:05] nods [00:05] Linux-IRC: if you want a slackware-like distro with dependancies you can look at Vectorlinux. But usually you can do it yourself with a simple use of 'ldd' [00:05] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.163.142) left irc: "Leaving." [00:05] Linux-IRC: Here's the real question. did you choose to do a full install? [00:05] A lot of common libraries are installed from the a set anyway. and if you do a mostly full install of slack most of the common ones will be there anyway. [00:05] NyteOwl: also to think for the developers. [00:05] ;) [00:05] what wschaub said [00:05] snL20 (n=irssi@90.149.160.214) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:05] if it doesn't work run ldd on the binary. [00:05] it will tell you whats missing most of the time. [00:05] ruin crimpers? wire conenctor crimpers? [00:06] NyteOwl: (10:01:44 PM) jeev: i've had 4 crimpers in 3 months [00:06] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:06] agentc0re: just making sure we were talking about the same thing :) [00:06] SiegeX: i do not want to test Vectorlinux. i want to test Slackware now [00:06] NyteOwl: yup. good ole ethernet crimpers.. [00:06] I've had the same crimping tool for over 10 years [00:06] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Something I never asked before, why the lettered package sets? [00:07] antiwire: shushhh don't let out the secret. [00:07] Out of all the tools I have, the only tool I worry about less is my hammer [00:07] antiwire did you ever use it? :) [00:07] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:07] nullify (i=n@24.183.105.235) joined ##slackware. [00:07] it dates back to when it was distributed on floppies [00:07] Quiznos: I use it all the time. That's part of what I do [00:07] ah [00:07] certain parts of the system were on different floippy sets. [00:07] velusip: check out the slackbook.org it says there. [00:07] the a set is hte core stuff. [00:07] Linux-IRC: good choice. Just be sure to install all of the library package and you'll hardly ever have to deal with deps, and when you do it's a simple ldd on the binary to see what's missing. [00:07] then ap for apps d for developer etc. [00:07] yea, i need to crimp these ethernet cables [00:08] jeev: teeth [00:08] yea right [00:08] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#INSTALLATION-SOFTWARE-SERIES [00:08] cools, thanks [00:08] no problem [00:08] If you are doing cat6 you just need to work with longer initial strands so you can manipulate each one easier, then trim [00:08] Linux-IRC: and then when you find out the missing lib, you can do something like: slapt-get --search libfoo to find the package name that has that lib and then slapt-get --install . I'm sure slackpkg has something similar but I don't know it. [00:08] oh, so you wanted me to give you the direct link? [00:09] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [00:09] anyone wanna play chess via eboard on here? [00:09] antiwire: in this way cat6 is like pubic hair. [00:09] Oh it's okay. ##slackware after all. I can't just start a discussion about it, I have to succum to the google. [00:09] SiegeX: is slackware unix based? [00:10] oh lord [00:10] no [00:10] er [00:10] hello, is there any operating system in the world that is UNIX based? [00:10] Slackware is Linux [00:10] so the obvious answer of no [00:10] Solaris, BSD distros? [00:10] IRIX? (well that one is dead..) [00:10] It has hints of BSD, if that's what you mean. [00:10] hehe irix is still around [00:10] officergris (n=officerg@tark-b-131.resnet.purdue.edu) left irc: "Have to go" [00:11] i tend ot use unix as a generic term that covers all unix-like systems that implement posix (within reason anyway) [00:11] nope its deader than disco now. [00:11] It's GNU/Linux, actually. [00:11] they dumped it i think sometime last year or so. [00:11] I sitll have an SGI box with it though. mainly collecting dust. [00:11] holy crap, where didt hat guy come from? [00:11] Dominian: I'm listening to Rockline right now (a radio show) and the new FFDP (Five Finger Death Punch) album that comes out next Tuesday (9.22.09) has some excellent songs on it, imo. [00:12] hrm [00:12] might have to keep an eye out for it [00:12] Linux-IRC: slackware is the oldest Linux distro that is still maintained [00:12] wschaub: Just because IRIX was dumped by his "manufacturer" doesnt mean its dead hehe [00:12] is it possible to connect to internet with pppoe? ppp over ethernet [00:12] I can name (2) systems off the top of my head still running [00:12] Linux-IRC: yep [00:13] Dominian: legacy stuff never truly dies as long as its running on some old machine someplace. [00:13] Dominian: yeah, sounds like it'll be a great album. FFDP is who's on rockline tonight and so they play songs from the new album (and some old album stuff) [00:13] Dominian: how? [00:13] Linux-IRC: pppoe-setup [00:13] Dominian: dare you to try and get an irix license new today though. [00:13] Dominian: fwiw, the album title is "War is the Answer" [00:13] wschaub: Why the hell would I do that? [00:14] Dominian: is pppoe-setup automatically installed during slackware setup ? do i have to install it manually? [00:14] Linux-IRC: If you do a full install, it will be there [00:14] Dominian: pretty much my definition of dead, when the vendor wont give it to you for love nor money. [00:14] let me guess the flip side is "Sic vis pace, para bellum" :) [00:14] You can't, SGI doesn't give them out anymore. [00:14] wait [00:14] My thought exactly! [00:14] SGI is dead, n/m [00:14] Action: Cann0n kicks his feet up on the channel sofa. [00:14] I guess that still works though [00:14] hi [00:14] i enabled splashy boot [00:14] you can still download patches I think though. site was still up a couple of weeks ago anyway. [00:14] but i keep getting splashy error timeout [00:14] Cann0n: Sorry, the sofa's out being cleaned, jeev had an accident. :P [00:14] like it hangs when it is done [00:15] is it possible to update Slackware from the older version to newer? what's the command? [00:15] Benjsh__: then you need to talk to the splashy dev [00:15] Dominian: meanie [00:15] omfg, they're insane [00:15] godling: Yeah.. I am. [00:15] Not going to waste my time on something that's half-ass implemented [00:15] Linux-IRC that's not suggested for a newb [00:15] SiegeX: what do you mean by oldest Linux distro? why oldest? [00:15] Quiznos: FYI, my beliefe is that Linux-IRC is a time waster [00:16] Linux-IRC: Do you understand the concept of time? [00:16] lol [00:16] Linux-IRC: old as in almost old enough to drink by now. [00:16] godling: time is of the essence? :P [00:16] IRC? Time? /time [00:16] Time is fleeting. [00:16] As in a good scotch or a budding teen? [00:16] Linux-IRC: http://nonplusx.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/linuxdistrotimeline-75.png [00:16] ubuntu is really what you want if you have to ask questions like that. [00:16] look to the left, far to the left [00:16] Too much time on my hands. [00:17] Try Debian [00:17] fsck! [00:17] not Ubuntu [00:17] TIme in a bottle....DRINK UP!! [00:17] replace ubuntu with anything that runs to a desktop out of the box. [00:17] NyteOwl: are you ok? [00:17] Dominian: FYl, Your belief is completely wrong. [00:17] I'm psychic. [00:17] I'm never wrong. [00:17] godling: just reading an e-mail with a price quote I asked for. outrageous! [00:17] That's FYI, not FYl [00:18] Dominian: what about that time with the nun? [00:18] mmm nun [00:18] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [00:18] NyteOwl: quote for what? [00:18] godling: I know the concept of time. [00:19] Quiznos: why is it not suggested for newb? [00:19] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:19] haha FYl. For your lowdown... [00:19] heh, Linux-IRC is starting to sound more and more like one of those old school pr0n bots. Everything is answered with a question [00:19] Because Slackware requires you to have prior Linux experience. [00:19] Linux-IRC: Then quit asking silly questions about what it means to be the "oldest" something-or-another. :) [00:19] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [00:20] or at least unix expereince anyway. [00:20] troll wafd. [00:20] XGizzmo: That wasn't my fault.. I was told it was an "act" [00:20] wschaub: not really - just requires you to be willing to learn [00:20] wschaub << not really. Slack was my introduction to Linux. Even in the late 90s it was cake to install. [00:20] godling: 10mm ammunition. $38/box of 50. Outrageous! [00:21] NyteOwl: this is true. but I somehow doubt this guy has that either. [00:21] I think Tim Geithner is kinda sketchy. [00:21] today I'm blown away with how simple it is. I do recommend trying it out first using virtualization. this way you can break it many times in a short period of time. [00:21] SiegeX: are you slackware now? [00:21] NyteOwl: JHP? [00:21] NyteOwl: being comfortable with a command line and text editor might be a good pre-req for sure. [00:22] SiegeX: no FMJ [00:22] I AM SLACKWARE! [00:22] wschaub: oh it certainly helps but isn't a necessity [00:22] ya, well 10mm is a bitch to find. not surprised [00:22] wschaub: my first linux distro was slackware [00:22] SiegeX: any other linux distro are you using along with Slackware? [00:22] no [00:22] Slackware [00:23] Of course there was a point when I matured from slackware and chose something else entirely... *mysterious* [00:23] side-by-side with Slackware.. with Slackware in a VM [00:23] hah, actually Dominian is right [00:23] Slack 13 with a VM running Slack 13 [00:23] I started on FreeBSD 2.1.x but I would have been pretty lost without using it on a dialup shell first. [00:23] he is psychic! [00:23] told yah [00:23] or at least without a good book anyway. [00:23] I wonder how far the recursion can go... [00:23] oper status bestows upon thee great powers [00:24] haha [00:24] sure [00:24] \o/ [00:24] I will create a macro installer to install itself via VM and wait... [00:24] SiegeX: that's in quantity 500 too. Maybe I'll stick with .45ACP heh [00:24] Linux-IRC: not very nice to CTCP version someone lik ethat [00:25] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "sleep" [00:25] besides it's not always accurate and hence a waste of time :) [00:25] yep [00:25] You won't get much out of my version string :) [00:25] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] My CTCP version string used to be a big middle finger [00:25] Dominian: "Dominian: Linux-IRC: not very nice to CTCP version someone lik ethat" what's "lik ethat" ? [00:25] had to change it when the staff cloak was put on hehe [00:25] Linux-IRC: Yeah, be a smartass [00:25] Its ok. [00:26] gaurantee I'll last longer in this channel than you will [00:26] either way its all splitting hairs. for someone that just wants to get to a desktop and not learn anything at all slackware is pretty low on my list of distros to recommend. [00:26] of course windows would be on the top of that list.. [00:26] why use linux if you don't want to learn anything. [00:26] NyteOwl: I have yet to fire a 10mm but I didnt even like the kick that 40S&W had over 45ACP so I'm sure I wont like the 10mms [00:26] wschaub: top of the bottom..cool [00:27] Benjsh__ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [00:27] smart asses [00:27] that's why people do not use linux [00:28] You're absolutely correct in that statement. [00:28] SiegeX: depends on the gun you choose. The Glock 20 is very light and the 10mm is a hard snap. The Colt Delta Elite is much heavier and the felt recoil is more like a snappy .45 [00:28] Linux-IRC: yeah.. that's the ENTIRE reasoning behind it. [00:28] Bankai (n=chatzill@189.242.127.222) joined ##slackware. [00:28] Bankai (n=chatzill@189.242.127.222) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]" [00:29] I'm still just awestruck with 13.0 ... building this system for my sister ... will be hard to turn it over to her. [00:29] not very nice to CTCP version someone like that ~! why ? [00:29] can't wait to tr it out myself. maybe tomorrow. [00:29] wschaub: Getting ready for 13.0? [00:30] consdiering the last version I installed (and I'm still using) is 10.2 yeah. [00:30] wschaub: Wow... that must have been about 5 years ago. [00:30] Why upgrade? You'll only slow it down! [00:30] it wasn't new when I installed it. its got a lot of junk pulled in from 11. [00:30] wschaub: Well, you'll like it for sure. [00:31] My sister has a 11.0 system [00:31] ... her laptop. [00:31] thats not the machine I'm going to try 13.0 on anyway the hacke dup 10.2 is a nfs/smb/vmware workstation headless box. [00:31] It's next. [00:31] on my lan. [00:31] I'm replacing her desktop which is 12.1 [00:31] can: what's the specs? [00:32] NyteOwl: how does it compare to 40S&W in a heavier gun? [00:32] as long as it keeps on plugging along I just don't touch it. since i use those vms a lot and I'm a lazy SOB with my own systems. [00:32] I have home on seperate directory so that a future upgrade will be easy if I want to do fresh install, which I probably will. [00:32] esp if its an internal system thats not on the net. [00:32] I have a PXE server I use - sure is nice way to go. [00:33] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:33] How many linux distro are there in the world? above 100? guessing.. [00:33] Just upgraded the files to 12.2 to 13.0 yesterday. [00:33] wschaub, 13.0 is not bad, I still prefer the older Slackware where packages were merged together [00:33] EYOLs (n=DrZarmak@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Linux-IRC: LOTS [00:33] witukind: they don't do that anymore? they don't split it out to extra -dev packages now do they? [00:34] I always hated having to install a seperate package just to compile. [00:34] john_dee (n=id@93-81-116-191.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] witukind: I'm still liking 12.2 on my laptop, and haven't had it but about 6 months, but I think I'll upgrade it too. [00:34] SiegeX: I didn't mind.40 in a P226 and it's actually pretty soft in an STI Ranger. Factory loads of 10mm tend to be only a bit hotter than .40 (except for some of Hornady) so in soemthing liek the Delta it's quite manageabe. No heavier than the .45 just a differnet character [00:35] I re-packaged opendx for a 12.1 box a couple days back but didn't get a chance to look at what was new in 12. [00:35] i want a p226 [00:35] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:35] wschaub, no they don't, I wouldn't mind though, what I dislike is splitting up things like coreutils/util-linux/ etc... things that make no sense to split up [00:35] jeev: replace the couch first! [00:36] huh [00:36] hnm, distrowatch has 300 Linux distros on it. but I know there are many not on it, all for hilarious reasons the guys at distrowatch rather not disclose [00:36] This machine is pretty nice, see: http://pastebin.ca/1566408 [00:36] jeev: 22:14 | fire|bird > Cann0n: Sorry, the sofa's out being cleaned, jeev had an accident. :P [00:36] jeev I'm rather partial to the 1911 platform though the Browning is nice too. Nothing worng with SIG for them as likes [00:37] I really don't pay attention to distros much. except on the rare ocasion I get to install somethng rather than work on someone else's box. [00:37] i hate 1911's. [00:37] I'm sure my sis will be happy with it. [00:37] otherwise i just deal with whatever distro they have installed. [00:37] I look at distros once in a while hoping a better one shows up, but to this day nothing better than Slackware [00:38] jeev: to each his own :) [00:38] I prefer Slackware if possible. I am using DebXO and the ugly fedora remix that runs on the OLPC as well though. [00:38] I heard there is a Slackware built for the Xo i plan to try out though. [00:38] NyteOwl: ya, when I shot it it was out of a G22, too snappy for me [00:39] I use to run RedHat for a while, it was nice during the 4.0-5.2 era, then it became bloated with garbage like Kudzu, and I went back to Slackware. [00:39] hope that's awesome on it,wschaub [00:39] SiegeX: part of that's the round, part due to the lightweight frame [00:39] ron1n (i=1000@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. 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I like the 45 round and I like the 1911 look but I don't like how it feels. I don't have a very large hand so the slide release is hard for me to hit and not much of a fan of the grip safety. Tried the P220 and loved it, ergos are real nice and everything is where I wanted it to be. [00:41] Hey, if you've got a license of Windows XP, why run Ubuntu? :P [00:41] witukind: Well, you can customize a Ubuntu install just like you can any others - you can trim it down. [00:41] I'll pastebin the build output [00:41] i'm more interested in good looking guns [00:41] velusip, Arch would be what I consider second best [00:41] either way I really don't care what people run. as long as they don't try and shove it down my throat like its the best thing in the world. if it works for them that's great. I have preferences too but I don't always get to choose what I run when its not my own systems. [00:41] i have an xd .40, glock 26 [00:41] i want an m4 but arnold wont give me noe [00:41] one [00:42] i have an officers 1911 [00:42] witukind: That's not why I like Slackware better, and really, it's just a matter of preference [00:42] jeev: heh, you can make yourself an AR15 =) [00:42] legally with an OLL [00:42] SiegeX: you might ret something liek the Dan Wesson CCO, or the Colt Defender/ New Agent. They are 1911 style but with a smaller grip. [00:42] Action: SiegeX is [00:42] can: I know, but the problem is Ubuntu like Debian has too many dependencies [00:43] Debian wants to compile-in every possible feature and that leads to a dependency hell [00:43] i want to make mysef an m4 but i duno [00:43] witukind: Well, you have to admit that their package management system is second to none. [00:43] i want to get back into radio controlled airplanes [00:43] even with all singing all dancing package managers I sitll end up installing my onw hand compiled stuff in /opt [00:43] jeev: good loking? the XD's and Glocks and the M&P are some of the ugliest pistols out there (though I admith they get beat out for the title by Walther and Steyr) [00:43] ah, aggregated linux and gun discussions. Now only if I could get out of Canada, it would feel natural. [00:43] jeev: well better buy yourself an OLL while you can, even if just to sit on it. [00:43] they're sexy [00:43] becuse if its a package I really find important it is not compiled with the options I want. [00:43] which is an oll [00:43] velusip: heh [00:43] http://pastebin.com/d30ba1747 there is the build output, I can't figure out why the slackbuild isn't working [00:43] can, on that front, I hate package management. In my opinion a good OS doesn't need package management [00:43] jeev: which or what? [00:43] what is an oll [00:43] witukind: gobolinux [00:43] velusip: yeah - might have to emigrate if the Libs win the election [00:44] going to install slackware.. [00:44] ungh [00:44] the best thing is BeOS, just unzip in a folder, and it appears in the menu, and start it [00:44] off-list-lower receiver. Not on the DOJ ban list [00:44] for AR15's [00:44] ahh [00:44] but it's not automatic [00:44] how much is it [00:44] no, thats correct [00:44] I dont do everything by hand but eventually I find something that the supplied package sucks with as far as compiled in options or other things of that nature and say screw it and build my own in /opt someplace. [00:44] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [00:44] i want an m4, screw ar1 [00:44] 15 [00:44] $90 - $150 or so [00:45] package management is like admiting that your OS is a rat's nest with no standards [00:45] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/M4-Transparent.png [00:45] that's so hot [00:45] witukind << I really wish people kept going with that sort of anti-package mentality. I used to build everything manually, but now it rarely works. [00:46] and breaks stuff in the future... and doesn't uninstall nicely. [00:46] jeev: that's what an AR15 looks like. An AR15 is pretty much an M4 with way more options [00:46] pckage management is great for the core OS stuff. but I like having my own stuff outside of the the package management that the updates don't touch. [00:46] dunno [00:46] velusip, in fact I'm a über-guru of RPM, and Slackware Packages, but after years of doing that I realized the uselessness of the whole thing [00:46] bbiab [00:46] i gotta play red alert 3 again [00:46] course slackware makes packages so easy might as well roll a slack package for that too. [00:46] and get uninstalls for free. [00:47] I would still put it in /opt though. [00:48] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.249) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:48] velusip, it's not about building things manually, although yes, one should be able to build things when they choose to. It's just that there's no standards... app programmers just make programs in whatever stupid way they want, they don't conform to the system that they target [00:49] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:49] anyone like homemade booze? [00:50] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] http://www.silverfishlongboarding.com/forum/anything-goes-almost/113288-homemade-booze-diary.html [00:50] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:50] some idiot is going to decide that they will put their shared data in /usr/lib/blabla, some other will install in /opt, some other will do this and that... it's just a mess [00:50] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) joined ##slackware. [00:51] at least /opt is a standard of sorts. under System V. [00:51] fire|bird: check that link out [00:51] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:51] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-160-137.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Cann0n: Yea! [00:51] Cann0n: If it's good. [00:51] lol. i dunno if it will be good or not... [00:51] wschaub, the FHS is a clever thing and all. Just tell me which distro is fully compliant with it. [00:51] got pics of it so far [00:52] /usr/local isn't much better and you don't get to seperate things into self-contained packages its all just a big hairy mess after a while. [00:52] to my knowledge 0 [00:52] witukind: yes nobody does. [00:52] and that really does suck [00:52] indeed [00:52] that's my point [00:52] MacOS X really pisses me off with this sort of thing. [00:52] CcSsNET (n=user@c-71-232-196-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:52] you want ot talk abotu no standards and not doing it the unix way... [00:52] vukovar (n=vukovar@CPE-121-220-83-97.lnse2.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: [00:52] and no docs either. [00:53] that's why package management is needed as a kludge for all the 10,000 ways of doing things [00:53] about how anything works under the GUI level. [00:53] Aye, the slight changes made to FHS to suite a distros is one of the few things that sets distros apart... and has forced each distro to wrangle each application to suite itself :P [00:53] Mac OS X is like a catholic school girl who's just discovered townie boys [00:53] ron1n (i=1000@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: "Leaving." [00:53] SiegeX: I have a glock for jeev ... http://stores.myglockdoc.com/Detail.bok?no=522 [00:53] I don't like being forced into doing things only one way either though. but there should be some sanity. [00:53] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [00:54] particularly for packages made byt he distro vendor. [00:54] theres really no excuse for the distro vendors to deviate from the standard with thier packages. [00:55] some 3rd party yahoo can do what they want. but the packages in the distro repo should follow a clear standard. [00:55] look at server daemons, there's no two server daemon that implement the same set of management features (PID files, config file style, where it put it's var data... etc... etc...) [00:55] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [00:55] well that can't be helped. [00:55] thats 30+ years of different implementations [00:55] everytime you install a server daemon you have to relearn everything [00:55] and soem very old software. [00:55] all different. [00:55] I've always found that really strange, though... I still don't entirely understand why there needs to be so many locations for even just binaries. [00:56] some commercial Linux distros have money to fix this, they don't [00:56] just be glad you dont have binaries uner /etc or /usr/etc and other oddball places. [00:56] :P [00:56] theres crufty old commerical unix systems that are still like that out there. [00:56] because back in the Elder Days of Unix each system jealously guarded its own system and shared nothing and did whatever they wanted with anything they had [00:57] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] but the FHS makes a lot of sense at least if we're speaking of servers [00:57] and that's been perpetuated ever since, often unwittingly by people porting utilities [00:57] try running System V Release 3 sometime and you will see vast improvements fromt he bad old days. [00:57] unlike the latest fashion on OSNews of bashing the FHS [00:57] between then and now. [00:58] fidning a 3b2 or old desktop system that runs it (certian SCo versions? maybe) is an exercise for the reader. [00:58] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-30-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [00:59] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:59] how do i figure out a list of fonts i can use for a terminal like xterm or rxvt ? [00:59] ron1n (i=1000@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] xlsfont? [00:59] where should application plug-ins be located on a FHS-compliant filesystem? [00:59] fhobia: xfontsel [00:59] hey guys whats the wifi manager that comes with slackware 13? [00:59] godling, Instained_Atom: thanks [00:59] I don't see wicd anywhere [01:00] ron1n: /extra [01:00] deco: okayy thanks [01:00] ron1n: np [01:00] deco: get 4.3* working? [01:00] quasar: nah , been busy with some web design and learning php :P [01:03] Oh, deco, I found something a while back that I would like to show any and all web-designers. I'm not one myself as most what I create is FUNCTION without form. Like a webpage in plaintext that tells you how to telnet to the rest of the site... but in any case... http://www.webtypography.net/sxsw2007/ [01:03] It's from 2007, but it's timeless... typography hasn't really... ever changed. [01:04] ron1n (i=1000@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [01:04] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:05] velusip, typography is a oft forgotten thing [01:05] *an [01:05] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-160-137.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Killed buffer"). [01:05] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:05] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] however that page isn't much of a testament to it, and some of the links are broken [01:05] it's pretty though [01:06] I KNOW! [01:06] first day of a new job tomorrow [01:06] llol [01:06] won't sleep at all tonight [01:06] ...so what fonts are you guys using for your consoles? :-) [01:06] ... i never checked. [01:06] some latin based one [01:06] fhobia, Inconsolata [01:06] I'm sick of everything being about what is new and trendy. new language comes out and all of a sudden what you are using sucks because its not the new hotness. [01:07] adupuis__ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:07] at least in some peoples minds. [01:07] wschaub, true [01:07] fhobia: Terminus [01:08] whatever the vga installed, I guess. [01:08] replace language with anything you use that is solid and works with a lot fo investment spent on it. [01:08] and same thing. [01:09] I really liked zHud... but ... let me see if I can find it again. The original actually had z and y mixed up because the creator didn't speak english. [01:09] "oh what will I do today? yet another IRC client written in [insert your favorite scripting language here]" [01:09] people are rushing into changing things around so often no time seems to be spent on standards or imrpoving what already has been proven to work. [01:09] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:09] that's the way I see it too [01:09] wschaub: That attitude is kind of encouraged within the open source community though [01:09] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:10] LSD, right [01:10] that's the problem of the "bazaar" model [01:10] though in fact the Linux kernel itself does not follow this model at all [01:10] antiwire: yeah no doubt hey. :) I'm the same way, but your adrenaline will keep you going tomorrow. [01:11] ncgty (n=gui@189.27.39.139) left irc: "zz" [01:11] better the bazaar than the cathedral though [01:11] Instained_Atom, better what makes sense according to the situation [01:12] thats why I tend to work with the trailing edge when possible or at least try to stay away from always running the bleeding edge. I fidn a set of tools that works and stick with them. picking up new ones along the way when they do something I can't currently do or I need it for a project. [01:12] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] and even then I'm likely to go with the stable releases. [01:13] I only ever really need awk... [01:13] Action: velusip pats awk. [01:13] who doesn't still use it. but I'm sure perl is reached for more often these days when its not a one liner. [01:13] heh I've never tried awk [01:14] gawk > * [01:14] it's still arcane magic to me [01:14] awk is amazing [01:14] flip through a few pages of O'Reilly's Effective Awk Programming to see what I mean [01:14] So [01:14] you would be surprised at just how handy it is to go learn about some of the good ol' UNIX tools [01:14] wen I get my new rackservers in [01:14] indeed. [01:14] Instained_Atom, I'm writing that down [01:14] replacing the default inetd with xinetd should be straight forward right? [01:14] until you can do incredibly complex things with pipes and the standard utilities you don't know what you are missing. [01:15] velusip: sorry was afk, thanks ! ill check it out :) [01:15] I'm pretty good at bash [01:15] I will need to secure things up a little [01:15] witukind: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596000707/ [01:15] Instained_Atom, thanks bookmarked [01:15] well maybe not really complex but a non trivial text processing exercise that would take forever in a text editor would be a good start. [01:16] Teamed up with bash, ln, cat, some simple piping, and some hilarious design documents I've created simple software that saved my company thousands per month in fractions of the time they would tool some monstrosity together. [01:16] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:16] Maybe two fractions. :P [01:17] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [01:17] I'm not actually in the dev department, I just answer phones. :D [01:17] velusip: the thing that scares me is all the people growing up never being exposde to stuff like that and thinking command lines are useless. [01:17] I wish bash had multi-dimensional variables, then I could do some amazing things [01:18] at that point perl is really what you want. [01:18] command lines aren't useless, but they aren't the be all and end all of user interface, either. [01:18] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:18] wschaub, I hate perl, it's a mess [01:18] and is pretty much oen fo the many reasons it was built in the first place. [01:18] witukind << I was reading about that somewhere... I don't think I went through with it. :P [01:18] LSD: a combo of both is best but for automation you cant beat it. [01:18] multi dim in bash that is [01:19] in the future we probably will use a UI that is more natural [01:19] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:19] witukind: zsh has them [01:20] Instained_Atom, indeed except zsh or even csh isn't a standard shell on Linux :s [01:20] one day . . . [01:20] zsh sold me on tab completion of hostnames and SCP paths. [01:21] wschaub, bash can do that too [01:21] it only run it on my main desktop but it saves me a lot of time. [01:21] intuitive graphical interfaces, touch screen... I suppose then interpreted languages woulc become screen macros. What's that console tool for recording everything that happens in the console? It's that all over again, but graphical. [01:22] I wish someone would implement computer ESP so I could have tab completion that does exaactly what I intend at the moment. [01:22] velusip: script. [01:22] that would be my perfect interface. [01:22] what's computer ESP? [01:22] I want it to read my mind... [01:22] its not anythign real. [01:22] oh :D [01:22] witukind: it's scientology for computers [01:22] wschaub: install Ubuntu, you'll change your mind [01:23] Maybe once we break the 8 nanometre barrier the fabric of thought will guide your computer. :P [01:23] Instained_Atom, I'm not very knowledgeable on scientology [01:23] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [01:23] the do what I mean and not what I say feature would pretty much fix everything I think :) [01:24] wschaub, it's the same inherent problem with human languages [01:24] I think we can't fix that [01:24] I think that before computers can accurately assume your intent, we need an exceptional wordtree dictionary (or reverse dictionary) [01:24] Kerzwiel might have this written down already. [01:25] velusip, even with that it would be impossible [01:25] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:25] I'm not actually serious of course. [01:25] because everyone puts a slightly different meaning before each word [01:26] can (n=can@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:26] Instained_Atom: We don't talk about Scientology in here. [01:26] Well, a huge library of simple scripts and a good explanation of what to do with them would work, but even without a good explanation a wordtree would help produce the computers guesses. [01:26] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:26] EgoX (i=Old_Scho@78.59.112.79) joined ##slackware. [01:26] witukind: not sure about that.. there's already technology out there that allows people who are paralyzed to play games on a computer (reading frequencies that the brain emits to determine what you would be doing if your hand worked to move a mouse) [01:26] non-invasive BCIs [01:27] The computer would ask, "like this?" and you'd be like, "YES!" however it was also spraying the crops with chlorine, but you didn't notice. [01:27] quasar, let's see how far that goes [01:27] if you Google you can find video of a guy controlling a wheelchair via a eeg skullcap [01:27] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:27] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:28] witukind: considering its age and how far it has gone so far, I'd say it has potential [01:28] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:28] but I know they are working on ways to kinda of dump raw thought right now. pulling out images etc that th eperson is concentrating on. [01:28] http://videogames.org/html/images/mindlink.gif [01:28] human communications are far far more complex than what computers can do [01:28] lol [01:29] if you could extract raw abstract thought and then interpret it. [01:29] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [01:29] witukind: for now [01:29] into something the computer could run. [01:29] would be intersting. [01:29] i hope though that that never happens. [01:29] godling, and also human communications evolve all the time, the computer would have to be able to catch up [01:29] if a machine can get into your brain privacy would be well gone. [01:29] Depending on what you mean, it's already been done. [01:29] and probably much of humanity along with it. [01:30] also depending on how reductionist your thinking is [01:30] ron1n (i=1000@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] machines 'decoding' your thoughts have already repalced lie detectors in some places ;) [01:30] I'd like to see that [01:31] you dont watch much discovery science (Beyond Tomorrow, specifically) do you? [01:31] I think psychology is rubbish [01:31] witukind: If humans continue to use machines to communicate, then our communication process may not evolve so quickly. [01:31] hey guys, I can connect to wifi networks fine in the command line, but not with wicd, it says its unable to grab and IP [01:31] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] crazy people say that! [01:31] who defines what crazy is [01:31] I am part of netdev, and i made sure wicd uses dhcpcd, but it will won't retrieve an IP [01:31] I do! [01:31] Instained_Atom: :-D terminus is nice [01:31] :D [01:32] I'm rather forgiving. :P [01:32] I never claimed ot be sane. [01:32] sanity is boring anyway. [01:33] things are relative anyway [01:33] Any help with the WICD ? [01:34] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:34] fhobia: yes, it's exceptionally easy on the eyes, when you've been up all night writing term papers [01:34] I would like to help, but I gave up on wireless in 2001. It's witchcraft. [01:35] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:35] sorry I havent used that wireless manager. [01:35] zaccour (n=robert@97.89.53.49) joined ##slackware. [01:35] There's no way so many coincidences can happen on two unattached computers in different rooms... [01:35] ron1n: would if I could .. but I prefer the old, yet more secure method of connecting so I know nothing about it [01:35] Ive used NetworkManager, wpa_supplicant, shtumble and just raw iwtools and shell scripts. [01:35] I'm using Ubuntu jaunty right now [01:35] not not wicd [01:35] zaccour: gross [01:35] gross? [01:35] zaccour: my condolences [01:35] :) [01:35] ouch lol [01:36] perhaps you meant to /join #ubuntu ? [01:36] Gratz474 (n=sdfsdfsd@unaffiliated/gratz474) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:36] velusip: It's only witchcraft when the user-level interfaces suck (and next to no effort is being put in to make them better) ;) [01:36] check syslog for any info, try debugging flags. [01:36] it's shame that wpa_supplicant exists [01:36] trace the process if you have to. [01:36] see what its doing wrong. [01:36] zaccour (n=robert@97.89.53.49) left irc: Client Quit [01:36] lol [01:36] I you proposing we work with the witches on this one? [01:36] haha [01:36] Gratz474 (n=sdfsdfsd@unaffiliated/gratz474) joined ##slackware. [01:37] quasar: I gues he's going to #ubuntu :P [01:37] "I'd rather /quit than /join #ubuntu" .. my new slogan! [01:37] guess* [01:37] lol [01:38] quasar: make that your quit and part message. :P [01:38] "I'd rather /interface refractory-period and /reprogram appropriately." [01:38] I've had lots of fun getting wireless working with my distributed bbs project it really can be voodoo. a lot of different wireless drivers deviate from each other inthe way they behave and even some quirks with configuring them. esp for the older cards. [01:38] and lots of choices for software to drive the cards. [01:38] hey guys whats a good rsync mirror these days? [01:38] fire|bird: kinda pointless, I never /quit or /part ... but I'm not an addict I swear! [01:38] there's almost no docs on 'iw' [01:38] ron1n: tds [01:38] quasar: haha [01:39] quasar: url please? [01:39] i learned a lot form the slackware wireless rc scripts. [01:39] wschaud << I got super lucky. I bought a little buffalo router and an eee lappy. zero problems and an intense 300Mbps [01:39] fire|bird: I'll put it as the "Real Name" field in my whois lol [01:39] quasar: there ya go. [01:39] ron1n: one sec [01:40] velusip: with a lot of the newer drivers and distros its a lot mroe painless. [01:40] i have a lot fo stuff thats about 5 or more years old im working with. [01:40] Yeah, I bought an original Orinoco Gold card for my first laptop... painful [01:40] in addition to the OLPC which is the newest and pretty much just works. [01:40] I have an ALIX2D3 box as a router, I had to find a USB wifi adapter that works as an AP with Linux ^^ I found it but it was tough [01:40] runs hacked up prism chipset. [01:40] ron1n: rsync://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/slackware/slackware(64|)-/ [01:40] but it still has its quirks inthe non-typical cases I use it in (IE not just plain access point association) [01:40] Gratz474 (n=sdfsdfsd@unaffiliated/gratz474) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:40] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] My laptop was something from 1991 and the card was from 2001. [01:41] Might have played a part. [01:41] night all [01:41] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [01:41] brb [01:41] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: [01:41] I love this guys voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8h5ZuPQWZw [01:41] there a router I'm sorely tempted to buy, that lets you run Linux or BSD off a CF card as the OS: http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?cPath=60_85&products_id=312 [01:41] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] well rather I had quirks i got my wireless scripts pretty mcuh ironed out now. but wh knows what some oddball card firmware will do on some card I havent played with yet. [01:42] I'm still hesitating on the $200 price tag though [01:42] fire|bird: done [01:42] \o/ [01:42] still the newer stuff is a lot less buggy than the early 802.11 gear. [01:42] Instained_Atom, my ALIX I got for cheaper than that [01:42] OMG even the engineer has a cutie voice. [01:43] witukind: what ALIX do you have? [01:43] Imagine working in that facility, "ooh careful boys, don't drop the tritium" [01:43] anyway I'm done for the night. Its been a lot of fun. I might come back sometime really soon. [01:43] Instained_Atom, in fact I have the exact same one that is used on this link you pasted: ALIX2D3 [01:43] zaccour (n=robert@97.89.53.49) joined ##slackware. [01:43] zaccour: wb [01:44] quasar: :D, nice: Real name: I'd rather /quit than /join #ubuntu ! [01:44] thanks [01:44] huh? [01:44] lol [01:44] quit what? [01:44] Instained_Atom, running Slackware 12.2 at this very moment [01:45] i tried to install slackware once, it wouldn't install [01:45] fire|bird: thanks, some ubuntard gave me the idea :) [01:45] must've did somethin wrong [01:45] ubuntard? [01:45] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:45] was a bit of a hassle to install, but no big problems except to get wifi working, but this Netgate box seems to have case which let's you use a regular miniPCI WiFi. [01:45] quasar: thanks man [01:45] my wifi works by default [01:46] zaccour: what does "it wouldn't install" mean? there's a lot of ways it wont install.. if you insert the CD/DVD upside down for instance [01:46] my wifi worked by default too [01:46] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [01:46] quasar, some kind of error during installation [01:46] i forgot, it was years ago [01:46] ah.. I know exactly what the issue was ! [01:47] Instained_Atom, anyway you shouldn't buy it from there, I think I paid 120 and some euros from a distributor in Germany. I think even with shipping and handling to the US it would still be cheaper than 200 bucks. [01:47] zaccour: so.. how can we (##slackware) help you today? [01:47] just seeing if what they say is true lol [01:47] adupuis__ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:47] about? [01:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [01:48] witukind: hmm, I haven't found it listed anywhere for much cheaper, do you remember who you bought it from? [01:48] your gayness [01:48] they say slackware is a good distro but many of its users are stuck up elitists, but not all [01:48] superGear: I told you to stop telling my secrets -_- [01:48] Instained_Atom, wait a minute I go through my email [01:48] zaccour: so basically you're here to troll :) [01:48] no [01:48] just to confirm [01:48] zaccour: we're not all bad [01:49] we are elite? [01:49] superGear: i dont know about you, but i am :smug: [01:49] [01:49] zaccour: you're confusing slackware with gentoo [01:49] to see if the work ubuntu really is cursing here lol [01:49] it sounds like a sneeze actually [01:49] Ubuntu is cursing slackware? [01:49] no [01:50] Instained_Atom, http://shop.varia-store.com [01:50] zaccour: well, a lot of folks cursed ubuntu after that whole patchfest they did a while back.. not sure if it caused ##slackware to though [01:50] what patchfest? [01:50] or was that debain? [01:50] Action: quasar 's pretty sure it was Ubuntu [01:50] why would Ubuntu effect slackware [01:50] affect* [01:50] :| [01:51] witukind: awesome, cheers bro [01:51] since Ubuntu is Debian based not slackware based [01:51] all distros are basically the same, they're all linux. its the package management that sets them apart [01:51] what patchfest? [01:51] the ALIX 2D3 is 106 euros, you still got to buy the case, the AC adapter, the CF card and the miniPCI wifi but still it's less than 200 bucks [01:51] ron1n (i=1000@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [01:51] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:51] not all linux distros are laid out the same [01:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:52] zaccour: so your ubuntu has lots of rc.d files then? [01:52] since "all linux distros are the same" [01:52] and some distros patch a bit more than others. [01:52] so i could just install apt/dpkg and turn it into Ubuntu without breaking slackware?!?! [01:52] whats rc. d? [01:53] exactly [01:53] superGear: don't you know that the only thing different between slack and debian is apt-get? [01:53] the most complicated thing i do is copy and paste, with instructions lol [01:53] zaccour: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-1 [01:54] you need instructions on how to copy and paste? [01:54] lol [01:54] Instained_Atom, I opted for a 2 gb microdrive with a CF interface instead of a regular CF card [01:54] but that makes it more expensive [01:55] zaccour: basically, they patched OpenSSL and created its own vulnerability that they had to fix [01:55] my system can't get infected without allowing root access, which i wouldn't do [01:55] Action: quasar blinks [01:55] quasar: that was a debian developer [01:55] zaccour: orly? [01:55] zaccour, wow really [01:55] how did you manage that? [01:55] yeah [01:55] do tell [01:55] deco: it affected debian based distros (which ubutnu is) [01:55] ubuntu* [01:56] how did you fix all the 0day exploits? [01:56] quasar: yup [01:56] i'm not worried about it [01:56] i don't blindly install stuff [01:56] Action: wschaub was going to bed but gets out the popcorn instead [01:56] haah [01:56] i close my eyes when i install stuff [01:56] but you're running Ubuntu? o.O [01:56] and you dont blindly install stuff.... [01:56] Action: quasar is now confused. [01:56] he compiles on ubuntu [01:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "just to eat" [01:56] some ppl do tha [01:56] t [01:57] lookin forward to karmik koala [01:57] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:57] i'm goin to sleep. thanks for the confirmation lol later yall [01:57] zaccour, learn linux more, try slackware :P [01:57] *karmic [01:57] i know what i need to [01:57] zaccour, noob [01:57] superGear: why? all he has to do is copy/paste.. [01:57] no need for networking, etc.. [01:57] he can copy and paste on slackware! [01:58] remember though, he needs instructions on how to copy and apste [01:58] gpm ! [01:58] Reticenti++ [01:58] gpm and links! [01:58] paste* [01:58] ubuntu means "compassion to others" in an african language. I have compassion to those who use it ^^ [01:58] witukind: .. I could've sworn it meant 'coffee' [01:59] we are elite stuckups [01:59] \o/ [01:59] zaccour: i see you have samba enabled, do you want to tell me how much you've secured it and how it's impervious to all exploits? [01:59] damn right! [01:59] zaccour: oh, and sql too [02:00] though to be honest I could care less what the word means :) [02:00] quasar, yeah the whole point about it is to let people go drink coffee while techs are trying to get it to work ^^ [02:00] He thinks he is secure cause he isn't using windows [02:00] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [02:00] twolf_ (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [02:00] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:00] I take that back.. I really couldn't care any less about what it means [02:00] superGear: should i link him the article about huge linux botnets? [02:00] i installed the array kernel earlier [02:01] just a few commands and boom [02:01] whats the meaning of trolling? [02:01] has anyone tried the brain fuck scheduler yet? [02:01] acidtripper: he hasn't done a whole lot of it thus far.. he's definitely been a good laugh though :) [02:02] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.72.191) joined ##slackware. [02:02] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.72.191) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:02] what? [02:02] acidtripper, In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. [02:02] zaccour: is that what a troll is? i never knew that, cool story bro [02:02] aka zaccour [02:03] lol [02:03] that was for acidtripper hence the red text that HE saw, duh lol [02:03] zaccour: and the first thing you said when you joined was.... right.. and you're not trolling? :) [02:03] what red text? [02:03] nope just confirming [02:03] i see red text when someone directs somethin to me [02:03] jajaj [02:03] nice soothing lime green text here. [02:03] i'm using xchat irc [02:03] thats why [02:03] ... [02:03] zaccour: did you know you have port 135 open, and that's considere afairly big security hole? [02:04] i were provocative with debian users :P [02:04] Reticenti, and what can you do about that without my permission? [02:04] edonkey [02:04] zaccour: ever heard of expoilts? [02:04] exploits* [02:04] internet exploiter [02:04] gnutella [02:04] not unless i grant access lol [02:04] wrong [02:05] zaccour: ah, ok, so hackers call up the place they're trying to hack and get permission, thanks for clearing that up for me [02:05] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:05] ok go for it [02:05] i'm not a hacker [02:05] are you using xchat and saying you're secure? [02:05] thats not good [02:05] there's a way around everything. [02:05] Xchat doesn't have a built-in identd server as far as I know [02:05] and xchat has exploits [02:05] Reticenti, you mean cracker, and i don't mean caucasians lol [02:05] fatalnix, it does? [02:06] no, i mean hacker, zaccour [02:06] it did last I knew [02:06] it had a rootexploit [02:06] hacker hacks code [02:06] fatalnix, the latest in slack? [02:06] probably not. [02:06] id have to look [02:06] someone using Ares network with giftoxic or apollon? [02:06] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:06] anyone use gyachi? [02:06] they probably fixed it by now, but theres probably something else [02:06] fatalnix, how can xchat have a rootexploit if it's not running as root? [02:07] run it as root [02:07] fatalnix, I'm sure there are that haven't been found yet, but if there was one out in the wild and it hadn't been updated in slack yet, that'd be news [02:07] you'd have to use ubuntu too be running xchat as root... [02:07] sudo xchat [02:08] by the way, prior to 2.6.7 xchat [02:08] sudo apt-get moo [02:08] -bash: sudo: command not found [02:08] xchat had a huge windows exploit [02:08] mIRC via WINE! [02:08] j/k [02:08] lol [02:08] goin to sleep [02:08] later yall [02:08] wschaub (n=wschaub@cpe-67-242-103-31.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?" [02:08] but xchat usd to have a remote code exploit [02:08] laters troll [02:09] i use the gnome desktop, not troll desktop lol [02:09] but it required that it was connected to IRC and Internet explorer [02:09] :( [02:09] you should try xfce [02:09] what is troll desktop? [02:09] i tried it before [02:09] kde4? [02:09] wschaub (n=wschaub@cpe-67-242-103-31.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:09] also tried kde and hated it [02:10] its pretty but don't like it [02:10] used fluxbox [02:10] use* [02:10] :D [02:10] xfce :D or flux [02:10] fluxbox is the answer to all! [02:10] that reminds me I did need ot update epic sometime. (just did) [02:10] use command line [02:10] or xmonad [02:10] wmii dwm [02:10] or xfce [02:10] xfce isnt too bad [02:10] i used lxde and i couldn't do anything lol [02:10] command line with framebuffer [02:10] fatalnix, I'm running xchat right, I won't disconnect when I go to bed, please leave me a hello message in a text file in my home dir :) [02:10] huh? [02:10] I'm no hacker, I'm a programmer [02:10] jaja [02:11] someone using laptop 24/7? [02:11] you're a hacker [02:11] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:11] I wouldnt touch anyones shit [02:11] everybody is on a laptop? [02:11] this is america and people get arested for that lol [02:11] jaja [02:11] i'm noyt [02:11] I'm on a laptop. [02:11] I' on a desktop [02:11] me too [02:11] I'm [02:11] i'm on a netbook [02:12] my desktop is on but just being used to connect to [02:12] and i toke battery off [02:12] t4ls0 (n=talso@S01060030542b92b7.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] i'm plugged directly into the tcp/ip line [02:12] oh gawd this is america, and the police there is smarter than everywhere else ^^ [02:12] netboow w/ slack zaccour? [02:12] ubuntu [02:12] jaja [02:12] windows 7* [02:12] someone with a linux machine as access point? [02:12] i'm not really fond of windows [02:12] dual cpu sun workstation here. (not running slack, is there even still a sparc port out there?) [02:12] qemu can run slack64 or only 32-bit? [02:13] Action: fatalnix has an IBM thinkpad [02:13] T60 :D [02:13] i have 4 thinkpads [02:13] heh [02:13] I have a 8086 [02:13] X61 i think, T61, T500 and some other shit [02:13] donate one to me [02:13] Rsomething [02:13] i have an msi wind [02:13] i only use one lol [02:13] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:13] here compaq 610 [02:13] jeev, donate one to me [02:13] lol why [02:14] jeev i buy u one of that thinkpads [02:14] you're gonna buy me one ? [02:14] my laptop was 300 bucks [02:14] nice guy [02:14] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] 1 gig ram atom processor [02:14] Guys, I do however want to raise a notice [02:14] jeev: quick, save this log as proof before he changes his mind. :P [02:14] zaccour, WTG you got a cheap netbook [02:14] lol [02:14] yep [02:14] works great [02:14] the most useless machine I have right now is an epsonnote 910C. [02:14] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host136-197-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:15] anyone who uses slackware 12 has pidgin < 2.5.8 (without upgrade) [02:15] superGear, they are cheap now [02:15] and i installed the array kernel [02:15] i don't use pidgin i use gyachi [02:15] tank-man, i know, and zaccour is trying to brag that he has a netbook [02:15] the MSN plugin with pidgin 2.5.8 and less had a remote code exploit [02:15] has* [02:15] heh [02:15] i use arch and i have 2.6.1 [02:16] I have the details here [02:16] pidgin [02:16] webcam works with gyachi [02:16] found it on milworm, I was curious [02:16] but ya gotta install a pgp key and 2 software sources if you want it to update [02:16] or uvcview [02:16] I'd advise to upgrade, that is all [02:16] fatalnix is a cracker [02:16] uvcvideo modules [02:16] no [02:16] fatalnix, even people who use Slackware 12.2 can do ./pidgin.SlackBuild [02:16] I dont do that [02:16] yep [02:16] fatalnix: Maybe that's why an update was released for 2.5.9 :D [02:16] like I said, just upgrade if you use it [02:16] cracker? ajaj i was asking him to tellme howto bypass wifi security :P [02:17] how's pat keep track of all the updates of software? (security or just in general?) [02:17] hmm [02:17] are there any distros that don't have new releases only updates? [02:17] true [02:17] zaccour, archlinux [02:17] zaccour, genpoo [02:17] are new releases really necessary? [02:17] arch have year release [02:17] s [02:18] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-163.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] mine is every 6 months [02:18] arch is a rolling release [02:18] ajam [02:18] but it works great [02:18] slackware is better! [02:18] never used arch. tried to but it froze when i tried to install [02:18] zaccour: it's too much for you [02:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:19] ja, yes the problem of slack is compiling [02:19] deco, no it froze on its own [02:19] windows is too much for zaccour [02:19] arch is simpler than slack and similar at the same time [02:19] it stopped at the sea shore wallpaper loading [02:19] actually ubuntu is easier than windows for me [02:19] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-llhqqquiyfnyvzim) joined ##slackware. [02:19] i enjoyed arch, but the package management started to rott ...and then i was stuck again and remembered why i was using slackware [02:19] i hate having to keep up with security apps [02:19] and having to look for drivers, sucks [02:19] these package managers always seem to decay :-( [02:19] fhobia: just curious was did it start to rott ? [02:19] why did* [02:19] blindly thinking you're secure [02:20] when you have plenty of ports open [02:20] heh [02:20] well [02:20] who? [02:20] you [02:20] deco: started getting weird errors from pacman...version conflicts from what i recall [02:20] nah [02:20] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:21] fhobia: oh [02:21] o/ [02:21] even if i did, i don't keep important stuff on here anyway [02:21] i just run apps and browse the web [02:21] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:21] you might get a picture of me but thats about it [02:21] oh ok grandpa [02:21] superGear, what do you mean by open ports, ports that are not firewalled, or ports with something listening on it? [02:21] i always had problems with versions in slack when compiling :S [02:22] morning all, i found this great list of linux guides and how-to's the other day...give them a wee look... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html [02:22] my sd card and audio ports are wide open [02:22] and my usb ones [02:22] .... [02:22] not those kind of ports silly [02:22] lol [02:22] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7C0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7C0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:23] jajaja [02:23] rogersman: lol [02:23] rogersman: sorry wrong nick [02:23] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [02:23] worst case scenerio ya steal a picture of me, which if you're a dude ya probably don't want [02:23] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7C0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] yeah toastytoast is the one who likes crypto stuff [02:23] orly, zaccour ? [02:23] talso (n=talso@S01060030542b92b7.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] I cant stand math so no way [02:23] acidchild, wants your pic [02:23] whats orly? [02:23] oh really [02:24] orielly [02:24] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:24] err [02:24] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [02:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDbUILDj6-M [02:24] acidtripper wants your pic* [02:24] zaccour (n=robert@97.89.53.49) left irc: "Leaving" [02:24] he got scared of that and left! [02:25] ahhh [02:25] i havent finished my popcorn though [02:26] hahaha! per the channel stats: [02:26] slackboy is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 567 people! slackboy's faithful follower, alien_bob, kicked about 17 people. [02:26] rogersman: you should check /usr/doc/Linux-{FAQs,HOWTOs} you already had them in your hard drive [02:26] giuppy (n=giuppy@host33-168-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [02:26] wschaub (n=wschaub@cpe-67-242-103-31.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: "ok thats really it i have to sleep sometime." [02:26] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-ksfftesecmsroany) joined ##slackware. [02:27] slava_dp: wheres the stats at? [02:27] @sahko cheers i'll have a look see [02:27] http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ > Reticenti [02:28] ahh, i'm not in the list :( [02:28] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:29] nullify (i=n@24.183.105.235) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:30] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [02:30] what pic? [02:30] of me of my desktop? [02:31] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:31] superGear! [02:31] Reticenti: give it time....you'll make the list..:D [02:32] indeed, MLanden_lap [02:33] MLanden_lap: Are you in the stats at all? [02:33] believe i'm 62 [02:33] vah [02:33] MLanden_lap: nope, 61, movin on up. :P [02:33] well,my desktop persona is...:D [02:34] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:34] y0 slackytude [02:34] race between my desktop and my lappie [02:34] welllllllll [02:34] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:34] mlanden [02:34] what lap¿ [02:35] heh, it's a competition between me and macavity for most hours active. :P [02:35] I am #1 for 0-5 and 12-17 [02:35] he's 6-11 and 18-23 [02:35] eh,acidtripper? [02:36] hahaha, I was silvergold for a little while: silvergold seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 10 times. [02:36] your pc? [02:36] i should talk in here more [02:37] spook: you're not even on the most active nicks list. :P [02:38] acidtripper: oh..POS Via based laptop [02:38] maybe i should program irssi to say something every few minutes [02:38] Reticenti: don't [02:38] fire|bird: hence my comment [02:39] :( [02:39] spook: yup, now start talking. :) [02:39] though i'm probally in the top 10 for problems solved/qeustions answered [02:39] ron1n1 (i=1000@75.97.224.176) joined ##slackware. [02:40] hey guys, my wifi works fine when I use iwconfig and dhcpcd, but when using wicd it just can't grab an IP address. [02:40] ron1n1, did you choose dhcpcd in the preferences of wicd? [02:40] ron1n1: theres a bug with dhcpcd [02:40] yes [02:40] fire|bird: nted 1.6.12 build nicely on Slackware 13 [02:41] spook: so should I use dhclient? [02:41] MLanden_lap: awesome [02:42] fire|bird: just use the old slackbuild for it and ante up the number to the newer version [02:42] ron1n1: if that works for you [02:42] morning peoples! [02:42] y0 slackytude [02:42] morning fire|bird [02:42] mornin' ,slackytude [02:43] y0 MLanden_lap [02:43] lap? [02:43] lappie...:D [02:43] spook: I don't think it did but I'll give it another try [02:43] morning slackytude [02:43] rawrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [02:43] i need a good NOTE system, to leave myself notes and messages and roadmaps [02:43] wtf do i use ;/ [02:43] ron1n is your ap setup with anything funky? "hidden" ssid mayhaps? [02:43] yo slava_dp [02:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] jeev: you mean like a "corkboard"? [02:44] jjeev lmgtfy [02:44] jeev: like a paper note system? or a electronic note system? [02:44] mancha: nope, open and visible [02:44] spook, tyyavg [02:44] electronic [02:44] i'm extremely disorganized [02:44] no MLanden_lap, nothing like that! [02:44] morning there? [02:44] 03:44 here! [02:44] i have 3 offices.. [02:44] i hae to be mobile at all times [02:44] jeev: i've heard of a conky script that can have you edit it directly from the conky interface [02:44] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] edit the todo list* [02:45] Reticenti, i use windows at home ;) [02:45] ah [02:45] windozeeeeeeeeeeee [02:45] foo @ jeev [02:45] =) [02:45] poo @ everyone-but-jeev [02:45] i've just finished configuring my conky :D [02:45] jeev: rainmeter has the same functionality [02:45] acidtripper: where you at? maritimes? [02:45] alright here I go, I'm going to pkill dhcpcd and try using dhclient with wicd [02:45] wish me luck [02:45] hmm [02:45] jaja [02:46] Argentina/Neuquen [02:46] i need to freaking fly somewhere [02:46] Patagonia! [02:46] my next trip, china or south america? [02:46] jeev: rainmeter is basically conky for windows, but i'm pretty sure there's a hack out there that will let you edit from the screen display [02:46] i dont want to get any shrinkage and/or get kidnapped [02:46] lol [02:46] hmm [02:46] if not, jeev, just have the todo.txt open and rainmeter will grab it once you save it [02:46] south America [02:47] you'll have more than one surprise [02:47] acidtripper: gotcha....thinking Canadian Maritimes when you said GMT-3..same time zone [02:47] jeev: lifehacker.com has a BUNCH of stuff on rainmeter [02:47] Reticenti, i have 47 todo texts on my desktop. [02:47] just searh for it [02:47] combine them all? [02:47] "UNPOSSIBLE!" [02:47] start using priority tags? [02:47] tea gmt -3 [02:47] hrmf [02:47] there what time? [02:48] where? [02:48] jeev: or you could look into remember the milk if you want cloud todo lists [02:48] me eastern us....gmt -4 2:48 [02:48] someone know howto conky show cpu type? [02:48] lol whatt [02:48] rtm + twitter is useful [02:48] ahhh [02:48] jeev cloud = internet based [02:48] there 4:48? [02:48] or 2:48? [02:48] ron1n1 (i=1000@75.97.224.176) left ##slackware. [02:48] 04:48 i mena [02:49] hmm [02:49] 2:49 now [02:49] cool [02:49] jeev: http://www.rememberthemilk.com/ Online Todo lists :) [02:49] my windows has been lagging lately [02:49] what do you think guys about cloud systems? [02:49] even after a reboot! [02:49] acidtripper: i love google [02:49] i'd prefer to keep my stuffs private [02:49] fire|bird: dont't forget the cookies!...:D [02:49] Action: slava_dp uses an a4 paper sheet as his todo. when the space is no more, the sheet gets copied to a new one and the old one gets thrown to trash. [02:49] mm [02:49] MLanden_lap: hahaha, for sure. [02:49] i have idea's in there that could make zillions [02:50] me too i would prefer to manage my system [02:50] MLanden_lap: chocolate chip just out of the oven = perfect. :P [02:50] fire|bird: they ARE chocolate chips,right?....:O [02:50] ron1n1 (i=1000@75.97.224.176) joined ##slackware. [02:50] im sure that google doesn't love you Recenti ja [02:50] jeev: If you make zillions, you HAVE to give slackware 1 zillion and and 1 zillion to this channel to share. :P [02:50] no dice, just assigns me a bogus IP [02:51] MLanden_lap: Oh dang, umm, I think so. :P [02:51] acidtripper: google loves me, they told me so :'-( [02:51] damn [02:51] rainmaker is elite [02:51] jaja [02:51] cool,fire|bird...just checkin'....:P [02:51] lol [02:51] rainmeter [02:51] google is my friend they say [02:51] yanni - rainmaker = also elite [02:51] 169.254.86.25 is the ip it assigns me, nothing like the actual ip I should be getting [02:51] ahhh yes.. 30 7 * * * mplayer /usr/share/sounds/reveille.mp3 (I hate having to wake up early) [02:51] inman (n=aligp@p579B5142.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] ron1n1: are you sure you're using the correct iface? *(eth0, wlan0, etc) [02:52] Reticenti: yes, wireless is set to ra0 and wired is set to eth0 [02:52] AnTourter (n=artourte@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:52] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:52] jeev: search for rainmeter on lifehacker, they have some examples of amazing configs there [02:52] the network I am attempted to connected to is wireless [02:52] AnTourter (n=artourte@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:53] it's weird though [02:53] Reticenti: one nice one being enigma [02:53] fire|bird: yeah, in the latest release of rainmeter, enigma was the default config [02:53] yeah [02:53] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-234.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:53] im tired of seeing this tweeter shit everywhere [02:53] lol [02:54] jeev: I know, it's ridiculous isn't it. [02:54] Action: Reticenti has an active twitter accoutn [02:54] s/accoutn/account [02:54] Action: quasar signed up for one on a dare [02:54] it's so annoying [02:54] tweet my balls [02:54] im tired of it [02:55] jeev: you're sick of a lot of things [02:55] im sick of you!! [02:55] jeev: why dont you start being racist again? [02:55] na i cant turn off something in this rainmeter stuff [02:55] spoof, im not a racist.. [02:55] jeev: Almost every site you go to now, Follow us on twitter, follow us on facebook, myspace, youtube, etc. [02:55] strange, i remember you being banned for being racist. [02:55] jeev, you can edit the shit outta rainmeter [02:55] fire|bird, im TIRED of it [02:55] spook, wrong channel [02:55] wrong person [02:55] ron1n looks like a default "couldn't get the ip"ip [02:56] i was banned cause someone enticed me to cuss her ass out [02:56] and she should'v been banned too, next time. [02:56] AnTourter (n=artourte@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:56] mancha: I see [02:56] AnTourter (n=artourte@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:56] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:56] fire|bird: kinda like Freaks....Gooba Gobba..One of us..etc. etc. [02:56] bah, rainmeter is getting annoying [02:56] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [02:57] yes lets complain abbout it, that will fix it [02:57] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:57] my unintelligent idea is that it is trying to get your ip via dhcpcd before it is authenticated [02:57] So I set it to use dhclient but it still doesn't work [02:57] i think you're not authenticating - can you confirm if wicd authenticates you? [02:57] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [02:58] ron1n1: i know this is a stupid question but i did this the other day, are you sure the router doesnt have mac filtering on and that you're on the list if it does? [02:58] Reticenti: yes I am sure [02:58] ok [02:58] mancha: How can I confirm? [02:58] iwconfig [02:58] the sleep command is nice sometimes in situations like that [02:59] Mlanden, aye, but i think it might be more than timing, i think he's not getting on at all [02:59] okay disconnecting, will post iwconfig output on pastebin. [02:59] ron1n1 (i=1000@75.97.224.176) left ##slackware. [02:59] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [02:59] mancha: right [03:00] but yeah, sleep works out kinks when things are too quick to do step 2 when step 1 is still getting worked out [03:01] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:04] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [03:05] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-163.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:07] ron1n (i=1000@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] okay so I can't connect to WICD when using dhclient, I checked iwconfig and it hasn't associated with the AP at the time of reporting "Obtaining IP Address" [03:09] right, so my guess was correct. now does it associate at all? [03:09] Action: slava_dp never ever had luck with dhclient on 12.2 [03:09] DirtyHarry (n=DHarry@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:09] is dhcpcd is so very broken on 13.0? [03:09] yes. [03:09] ok i didnt like rainmeter [03:09] yeah, don't use dhclient, use dhcpcd first off. but that's not the problem, either one will fail if they try to get an ip _before_ you associate [03:10] mancha: yes when using iwconfig ra0 essid NETGEAR it associates perfectly [03:10] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] no ron1n, thats not the Q [03:10] but when using Wicd however, apparently it does not [03:10] question: does wicd _ever_ associate? [03:10] spook, what is exactly broken in it? does it eat wifi acess points? [03:10] theres a bug in dhcpcd 3.2.3, which is fixed in both 4.x and 5.x [03:11] the maintainer long stopped updating 3.x [03:11] thee bug is that dhcpcd gets an address, but just ignores it. [03:11] and Pat never updated to 4.x or 5.x? [03:11] damn. [03:11] the commandline options changed [03:11] mancha: I don't think wicd ever associates to the ap [03:11] how can I change that? [03:11] in both versions. 4.x and 5.x are both complete re-writes [03:12] there I have proof [03:12] SELinux has a local root exploit in 2.6 and 2.4 [03:12] spook, ok, what are the options? to use dhclient? [03:12] thats so funny1 [03:12] ok, so the issue is not with dhcpcd, it is with wicd, for some reason it is not associating. now i don't use wicd but we can try to solve this. give me the ap parameters: wep/wpa/wpa2, tkip/ccmp, any mac filtering, etc [03:12] slava_dp: upgrade to 5.x [03:12] Security enhanced linux isnt so security enhanced anymor eis it? [03:12] XD [03:12] mancha: no, the issue is with dhcpcd [03:12] fatalnix, selinux is not in slackware. what's the point of your saying? [03:13] just looking for thing sthat might concern me [03:13] its off topic, dont worry [03:13] mancha none at all, its open, unencrypted, and does not have any sort of filters active [03:13] its operating on channel 11 and the ssid is NETGEAR [03:13] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [03:13] ron1n, does wicd automatically call dhcpcd or do you call dhcpcd manually? [03:13] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [03:14] mancha: wicd calls dhcpcd [03:14] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-234.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:14] yoou can configure wicd to use whatever you want. [03:14] spook: it was on dhcpcd, but I changed it to troubleshoot, then changed it back again. [03:14] r0n1n, okay and you confirmed via iwconfig that using wicd not only does dhcpcd fail but even afterwards, iwconfig shows no association, right? [03:14] eachtime rebooting to make sure that they didn't step on eachothers toes [03:15] mancha: correct [03:15] ron1n: does the same happen when you try to change channels? [03:15] MLanden_lap: yeah [03:16] buggy driver? [03:16] spook: official ralink source, latest and greatest [03:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] and it works from command line using ifconfig, iwconfig, and both dhcpcd and dhclient [03:16] what card? [03:17] RaLink RT3090 Wireless [03:17] ron1n, where does wicd put its config issues? [03:17] ron1n: i have almost the same exact driver [03:17] i'musing rt61 [03:18] im using* [03:18] Reticenti: msi wind netbook? [03:18] mancha: /etc/wicd ? [03:18] nope, i'm using a pci card [03:18] on a desktop [03:18] mornin [03:18] spook, he's setting up the tent in the living room haha [03:18] Reticenti: I see, greap chipset [03:18] eh [03:18] nix_chix0r: huh? [03:18] nix_chix0r: damn campers [03:18] it drops me from the network after a while [03:18] :p [03:18] eon1n, iirc wicd (client) has a debugging mode or logging mode or something [03:18] Action: spook is actually more than a little drunk [03:19] mancha: /ete/wicd and /var/lib/wicd/configurations [03:19] we won a 2man tent at work or whatever [03:19] so we're setting it up in the living room to hot box it and sleep [03:19] ron1n, if you enable debugging, it should log to /var/log/something... [03:19] awesome [03:19] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [03:19] mancha: alright I'll do that and report my findings [03:19] nix_chix0r: i am so in for that [03:20] enable debigging in the client, then try to connect, let it got for a while,then pastebin the /var/log/wherever/wicd.stuff [03:20] john_dee (n=id@93-81-116-191.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:20] edit out any passwords or other private info before pastebinning [03:21] or not, its up to you [03:22] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:22] spook, plenty of room [03:23] nix_chix0r: now, how do i get to america... [03:23] does this dress make me look fat? http://i30.tinypic.com/dop4qx.jpg [03:23] a boat [03:23] I'm not -that- fat -_- [03:23] mancha: snownews is excellent. :) I just installed it. [03:23] just canoe sized :\ [03:23] spook: nix_chix0r will send her private jet [03:23] quasar, how you find my pics? [03:24] sounds good [03:24] nix_chix0r: 3y3 4r3 h4x0r3d y3w [03:24] spook, hope you don't mind seeing me with my belly button dragging to the ground [03:24] I've found newsbeuter to have more compatability than snownews [03:24] nix_chix0r: hott! [03:24] quasar: It's not the dress that makes you look fat, it's the fat that makes you look fat. [03:24] lol [03:24] whoah,quasar....she's gorgeous.....some catch! [03:24] could be wrong but I don't think snownews is under active development anymore either [03:24] DHarry (n=DHarry@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:25] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:25] MLanden_lap: yeah, sure is, but it broke the line. :P [03:25] fire|bird: surprised it didn't break the bench [03:25] haha [03:25] fire|bird i like it a lot, its light, does exactly what i want withouth any unneeded crap (except their fuschia fontcolor) :) [03:25] and amazingly, no she's not American (she's Canadian) [03:25] yeah, that fuschia has GOT TO GO. :P [03:26] X_X..not gonna ask what is flappin' in the breeze [03:26] I want to try out rss2email but haven't gotten around to it [03:26] quasar: If she was in Europe, she'd be a tourist attraction. [03:26] MLanden_lap: she has 3 balls [03:26] wait, no that's 2 tits and a stomach [03:26] quasar: that she had at birth, or did she eat one and a half men? [03:26] mancha: okay here is the log http://pastebin.com/m610a94e0 [03:27] so that's where Micky Rooney went to....:D [03:27] hahaha [03:27] fire|bird: actually I think she might be pregnant.. I couldn't tell at first but if you look real close... er nm [03:27] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:27] quasar: The poor baby(s) [03:27] exactly,quasar....er nm [03:27] It'll pop out with a t-bone steak in it's mouth. [03:27] maybe that's Zeus's new wife.. they both eat their children! [03:27] wait [03:27] taht was a chick? [03:28] i could have sworn it was a dude [03:28] i00nsu (i=1000@85.139.235.122) joined ##slackware. [03:28] Reticenti: That's a good reason for if your gf sends you on an ice cream and chocolate run, just say no. [03:28] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:28] Reticenti: only real mean wear pink and murses AMIRITE?? [03:28] Good cold day! :) [03:28] mrunderstood (n=none@69.63.23.60) joined ##slackware. [03:29] too bad it's not a murse or a purse... it's a SAMMICH HOLDER ! [03:29] AnTourter (n=artourte@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:29] just in case you need a snack later [03:30] quasar: psssh, yeah [03:30] Reticenti: I'm talking about the bag looking thing around her neck.. not the thing hanging under the dress.. gah. [03:30] http://spook.ucc.asn.au << the ultimate retort [03:31] quasar: what about both? [03:32] what about neither [03:32] well.. I think we've determined the thing hanging below is the babyback rib holder.. and we're not talking about pork.. we're talking about baby whales. [03:32] lol [03:32] r0n1n, thats too hard to debug, it has all kinds of variants in it, using dhclient, using dhcpcd, etc [03:32] can't shotgun a debug log [03:33] mancha: I was trying to troubleshoot =P [03:33] mancha: sure you can.. the question is can the monitor withstand the blast? [03:33] well youve rendered that near impossible to figure out [03:33] Should I delete it and try to connect as usual then? [03:34] can you connect using wpa_supplicant, ron1n [03:34] Reticenti: My network is open [03:34] guys .. i pas this night compiling qt3.3.8 and now when i am trying to compile kdelibs at ./configure step tells me that i still need qt 3.3 ...what sould I do ? [03:34] ron1n: oh [03:35] thats what I dont get [03:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nn9AxC8gO0 [03:35] :D [03:35] This is an open, unadulterated wifi network, nothing crazy about it [03:35] i00nsu: is the $PATH correct? [03:36] fire|bird, what was the name of that ff app you told me about yesterday? [03:36] coolsomething [03:36] cooliis? [03:36] olliris* [03:36] cooliris damint [03:36] slackytude: cooliris [03:36] Reticenti: hmm i was trying without options.. [03:36] ah, thx [03:36] does rc.wireless still work? [03:37] i00nsu: did you use a slackbuild to make the tgz? [03:37] or did you just get the source and compile it? [03:37] get the source and compile [03:38] that _may_ be your problem [03:38] i'm not sure [03:38] if so, you might have to change the $PATH [03:38] ron1n (i=1000@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [03:38] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [03:38] howto ? [03:39] but i don't know much about that, so either google or ask someone in here to explain it to you :) [03:39] ok [03:39] now i must go work [03:39] but thanks anyway .. i will google it [03:42] fire, aha, i fixed the colorscheme (must have been drunk when i last opened the config file) [03:42] mancha: on what? 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[03:48] blue new; red url is a good combo [03:49] mancha: yeah, VERY nice. [03:49] tewmten: what band? [03:49] i installed slackware 12.2 but can't get the login screen as usually i get for other linux distro, loging in a console based terminal (being root) typed kdm start , then i get the login screen to log in as root only ,can't login as normal user , how to create normal user? [03:49] login as root, then use adduser [03:49] SiegeX: are you here? [03:49] Dominian: are you here? [03:50] slackbook.org, Linux-IRC [03:50] mancha: i did this but next time i did not get the option to login as normal user [03:50] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-93-66-190.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:50] there is no option, you just type in the name [03:51] you want to boot to X? change your runlevel to 4 [03:51] fire|bird: no band, its a 70 minute long techno mix [03:51] :p [03:51] tewmten: haha, that works too. [03:51] Reticenti: i only get the root option to log in in kdm [03:51] why dont you login via cli? [03:51] to mutt or alpine, that is the question, and suggestions guys. I want to get a cli e-mail going now. :P [03:52] hey,. what is this boot, login as root, cll up an X dialog and think you can login as user? [03:52] fire|bird: music with fast tempo keeps my work pace up ;) [03:52] fire|bird: i was going to ask the same question lol [03:52] tewmten: yeah, it's like you go at the speed of the music. :P [03:52] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:52] i did not select all option during installation. now how can i install gnome from dvd? [03:52] slackware does NOT include gnome [03:52] ok, i sense a troll now. [03:52] Action: mancha back to programming [03:52] mancha: yup [03:52] Reticenti: what's cli? [03:53] command line interface [03:53] command line interface [03:53] :P [03:53] its dah power! [03:53] slackytude: are you gonna try cooliris? [03:53] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:53] at the site now [03:53] fire|bird: does snownews have the scrolling rss feed? [03:53] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:54] Reticenti: no, but it's a VERY, VERY nice rss app. [03:54] slackytude: cool [03:54] how to install pppoe-setup from dvd now? [03:54] fire|bird: did you jut compile it frm source? and any problems installing it? [03:54] Linux-IRC: You were helped with this stuff earlier, did you choose not to pay attention? [03:55] Linux-IRC, its included in default [03:55] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Reticenti: I made a slackbuild for it, which for some reason failed, so I compiled myself and made a package. :P [03:55] slackytude: He didn't do a full install [03:55] ah [03:56] slackytude: i did not select all option during installation. now is there any way to install that? [03:56] try slackpkg then [03:56] rp-pppoe-3.10-i486-1 [03:56] slackpkg search pppoe [03:57] slackpkg install rp-pppoe-3.10-i486-1 [03:57] the search feature of slackpkg comes in handy [03:57] slackytude: don't have internet connection , want to set up internet connection via pppoe-setup [03:57] Reticenti, someone's posted a slackbuild of it on sbo, too [03:57] heh, oh right [03:58] Linux-IRC, mount the dvd and look for the rp-pppoe package [03:58] mancha: does it work? [03:58] could use the dvd as repository for slackpkg too [03:58] try it [03:58] as for lilo boot loader i did not get other linux distro , that's why i installed again debian boot loader , now how can i add slackware in the debian grub boot loader list? [03:59] mancha: i cant fint it on slackbuilds [04:01] Reticenti: snownews is part of slackware 13.0 [04:01] mancha: it's fine, it compiled correctly [04:01] oh [04:01] well, i jsut recompiled it them [04:01] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-jjohxftwcvhyutlg) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [04:02] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-93-66-190.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] greetings [04:02] y0 The-Croupier [04:02] y0 The-Croupier [04:03] MLanden_lap, why lap? new laptop? [04:03] i am so pissed off that even after so many years, and advace of education and technology the word "hacker" has still not found its peace [04:03] MLanden_lap, or you got a lapdance? [04:03] ;) [04:03] slackytude: maybe the later [04:03] :D [04:04] old laptop...new upgrade [04:04] ah [04:05] POS VIA based one....likes 13 though...\m/ :D \mL [04:06] Well, time to get going guys, gals, and The-Croupier. :P Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care. [04:06] later,fire|bird [04:06] later MLanden_lap [04:06] see ya slackytude [04:06] bye The-Croupier [04:06] see ya mancha [04:07] gn fire|bird [04:07] fire|bird: bye m8 [04:07] heh, almost come close to a flood there. :P [04:07] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:08] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-102-55.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:10] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:10] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-102-55.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:11] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-102-55.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:11] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:11] zmyrgel (n=zmyrgel@80.221.34.59) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:13] slackytude: why does a whois on you show "hotline@p4FD89AEA." <-- interesting part "hotline" are you some kind of 6ft, blonde hot line telephone sex wonderwoman? [04:13] slackytude: have you seen any of those mips netbooks they've got floating 'round Europe? I think they have some off the wall name like Trendac or something? [04:13] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:13] The-Croupier, tech support [04:13] MLanden_lap, nope, sorry [04:13] slackytude: now, why did i never think of that [04:14] :p [04:14] inman (n=aligp@p579B5142.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [04:14] inman (n=aligp@p579B5142.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] they actually made those mips netbooks? [04:15] it was a chinese company that first planned to make them [04:16] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:16] zmyrgel (n=zmyrgel@80.221.34.59) joined ##slackware. [04:17] spook: looks like it..though at 400mhz...if it were under 75 USD, I wouldn't mind one [04:19] MLanden_lap, sounds good [04:20] think I saw someplace in the Netherlands that had 'em for 150-60 euros [04:21] where are you guys looking when in need for cheap hardware.... apart from ebay..:( is there anything else? [04:21] something that ships worldwide [04:21] to where,The-Croupier? [04:22] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-llhqqquiyfnyvzim) left ##slackware. [04:22] definately greece [04:22] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:23] Wyzir (i=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-zbgirdbpxzxwxfiu) joined ##slackware. [04:23] Slick Slack ahhoy [04:23] definitely greece;) [04:24] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [04:24] dunno..here in the states...newegg's one..not sure of international rates though [04:25] yeah... seen that site..looks nice [04:26] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:26] also, http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ <-- this site has my other nickname ionshark, why is that? [04:30] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] there we go [04:31] hi all. i got a wee problem. i put my user to wheel, and set /var/log/messages to root:wheel and still can't cat the messages. what am i doing wrong? [04:31] for the last time! I am not a hacker! [04:31] ... [04:32] lowkyalur: wee problems should be referred to a urologist... [04:32] The-Croupier: over the course of the time it takes to build the stats...it probably used your first nick [04:32] Zordrak: thank you. you might mean 'pee' problems. [04:32] lowkyalur: wee is as relevant [04:32] hmmm :( it was this one for some time now... when did it change? :( i dont mind,,,,, as long as it gets updated [04:33] ls -l /var/log/messages [04:33] Zordrak: here we go again [04:33] Zordrak: wee as in 'small'. any idea of my small problem? [04:33] mancha: -rw-rw---- 1 root wheel 333561 2009-09-15 12:32 /var/log/messages [04:33] lowkyalur: when you are logged in as root , can you cat it? [04:33] did you logout to make the group take effect? [04:34] The-Croupier: yes [04:34] mancha: oh i have to do that? [04:34] lowkyalur: do what mancha said [04:34] brb [04:34] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:34] take your time [04:35] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Yep [04:35] works, thank you very much. this is medieval (almost windows style) [04:35] john_dee (n=id@93-81-116-191.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:35] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7C0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:36] welcome. [04:36] Slackware better than frugalware? [04:36] Wyzir: of course. next question. [04:36] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7C0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Frugalware worst than slackware?:D [04:37] lowkyalur brotha: Welcome [04:37] apt-get supported in slackware? it is possible? [04:37] Wyzir: no [04:38] Zordrak brotha Welcome [04:38] install packages from synaptic ? or other right way? [04:39] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:39] ( as first I use the debian platform... ) [04:39] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:40] Wyzir: http://slackbook.org/ <- read that first and then continue asking answers [04:40] alienBob brotha: many thanks for your excellent support:D [04:41] Wyzir, there is slackpkg and sbopkg, which is a frontend for the slackbuilds at slackbuilds.org [04:41] Wyzir, for pkg managment [04:41] brother slackytude, thanks for feeding the troll :) [04:41] Wyzir: ohh you should see alienBOB's excellent ban ;) [04:41] mancha, eh, just read last few sentences [04:42] some ppl have to work too [04:42] No, I am not a troll [04:42] vaibhav (n=landy@59.96.41.110) joined ##slackware. [04:42] The-Croupier bruder have you any problemz with me?:) [04:42] OK then in short: Slackware is not a clone of other distros. Slackware has it's own tools [04:42] Wyzir: nope, none at all [04:42] aB: I understand it [04:43] Okay. How about the gdm? gui? [04:43] Wyzir: http://slackbook.org/ <- read that first and then continue asking answers [04:43] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [04:43] please advice once for the p3, 256 MB, 6 Gigs HDD [04:44] 'shred -u Wyzir', please :-) [04:44] This is not a spoonfeeding channel. We are here to help with real-world trouble [04:44] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:44] john_dee (n=id@93.81.116.191) joined ##slackware. [04:44] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Wyzir: Slackware will run fine on that hardware [04:44] But I would not try KDE on that. Using XFCE will be fine though [04:45] erik (i=erik@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [04:46] alienBOB: <3 [04:46] Thanks alienBob [04:46] That is the final question: [04:47] fvwm is fine too. [04:47] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.111) left irc: "Leaving" [04:48] LXDE might be another option [04:48] Which came first? TUX or TUX's egg? :D [04:48] tux has an egg? [04:48] it's Uncle.....Unix or the other uncle...Posix..:P [04:48] yes [04:50] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:50] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Im in a hate/love relationship [04:51] with kde [04:52] yesterday it just froze randomly [04:52] even went so far as to reboot [04:52] kde not too good, not enough to me [04:52] today, everything works without issue [04:53] eat for my memory and hard disk and process [04:53] woke up from hibernation, performs well, no issue at all [04:53] hal/dbus vs.dolphin,slackytude? [04:53] MLanden_lap, mh? [04:54] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.238.31) joined ##slackware. [04:55] Hello Slackers. I actually have an OpenBSD question, but that channel is only for registered users. I'm hoping to find a little help without going through the registration process. [04:55] I'm trying to mount a flash drive formerly used under Slackware under OpenBSD. [04:55] ajna: /quote NickServ HELP REGISTER [04:55] slackytude: read where there may be problems with hal/dbus glitching and causing havok with KDE's dolphin [04:56] ajna: /msg nickserver register [04:56] okay. Thanks [04:56] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-152-160.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:56] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.238.31) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:57] Action: spook remembered when this channel was registered users only [04:57] ajna, doesn't mount /dev/sd0 /mnt/temp work or whatever open's device naming is (i forgetz) [05:00] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:00] mancha: forgot that BSD throws a letter on some of the devices..ours sda1...think theirs sda1i [05:01] Mloanden, ah yes, you are right [05:01] so sd0i or summit [05:01] what possible use could that be [05:01] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:01] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:02] I am literally desperate for recommendations.. is anyone aware of ANY calendar application that's capable of synchronising remote RCS files rather than just using them online? The CEO says he needs to be able to access and interact with the calendar when offline... so i need a client that will pull the ICS file and interact with it as normal.. but also cache for offline and store new events for later publishingf [05:02] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:02] s/RCS/ICS/ [05:02] Zordrak: that is a toughy [05:03] Zordrak: did you ever look into Horde? [05:03] ive spent 2 years preparing for the new s-hared calendar system SO OF COURSE HE CANT JUST BE FUCKING HAPPY WITH IT!! AAARRRGGGHHHH [05:03] alienBOB: Horde is what im using [05:03] O [05:03] but it doesnt provide offline access.. it cant [05:04] Then it is more a matter of the client being able to work offline [05:04] i could schedule donwloads so he can view offline.. but not publish events [05:04] indeed [05:04] s/application/client/ [05:05] and to make me feel that bit better.. i just upgraded FF on my desktop box on 13 and now it wont work.. i just get a 150x100px (approx) blank window [05:06] ok.. fixed that.. back to calendaring [05:06] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:07] i just dont know who to ask.. its not like theres a "remote calendars" channel/group/mailing list that i know oy [05:07] *of [05:07] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-jjohxftwcvhyutlg) left irc: "Page closed" [05:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:15] possible, yes [05:15] Linux-IRC: there are a few 3rd party Gnome add-ons for Slackware [05:15] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [05:16] Ungrateful bugger [05:17] Linux-IRC has left the building :)) [05:17] whee! [05:17] slackware 13 is shipping [05:17] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:18] slackytude: did you get an email? [05:18] was just checking [05:18] don't worry,alienBOB...the person'll be back.......s(h)e's been poppin' up here off and on all (eastern US) night [05:18] my mail server is having problems [05:19] I didnt get anything till now [05:20] sahko, did you get one? [05:21] brb [05:21] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:22] slackytude: received? no. ordered? i have a subscription. but my experience with the store hasnt been ideal so far. i dont want to get into details, but i am curious how will the deal with my order this time. [05:22] FWIW they havent chrged me yet [05:22] s/chrged/charged [05:22] hrm [05:23] wtf! [05:23] why wont gvim start [05:30] Insallah... [05:32] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [05:32] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:33] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:34] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:34] XtoTheZ (n=xx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:34] great [05:34] I do strace gvim and it takes kde down [05:36] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [05:36] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:39] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:40] this drives me mad [05:40] no gvim [05:40] wth [05:40] won't compile,slackytude? [05:40] wont run [05:40] just sits there [05:40] its sad [05:41] when you try and open in a console,slackytude ...Does it give any errors? [05:42] no [05:42] *it [05:42] it just sits and nothing happens [05:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:42] slackytude: can you pastebin the deps? [05:43] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:43] mrunderstood (n=none@69.63.23.60) left irc: Client Quit [05:43] MLanden_lap, uh, it comes with slackware [05:43] horde needs more developers.. really really badly -- the devel process is long and slow, they have features theyve been planning for literally years that havent been done and theres never more than two very disinterested people around on the ML or IRC to help [05:43] I have the new kernel: kubuttu 12.4.1 drank-monkey release candidate, limited deluxe gold edition [05:44] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:44] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:44] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:45] Action: MLanden_lap hits self in the head with frozen eel...too much compiling [05:46] MLanden_lap, does gvim run for you? [05:46] slackytude: yes [05:46] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-152-160.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:46] *sigh* [05:46] why me? [05:47] I love gvim [05:47] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-152-160.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:52] slackytude: with it sitting there,any overrun in top? [05:52] MLanden_lap, nothing at all [05:52] its weird [05:53] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:54] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] slackytude: maybe something in the buffers is glitching it? [05:54] vaibhav (n=landy@59.96.41.110) left irc: "Leaving" [05:55] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: "l Þe^" [05:56] right now, I have no clue [05:56] Ill try in sfce [05:57] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.164) joined ##slackware. [05:57] keymap? font? [05:58] besides german keyboard layout, I didnt change a thing [05:59] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "need xfce" [06:03] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:03] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Tukssss on [06:04] zenwalk distros goes on, fine! [06:07] vaibhav (n=landy@59.96.41.110) joined ##slackware. [06:07] Congratulations slackboy brotha! [06:08] Hi, I am having this problem repeatedly. I am unable to write any file to the directory. says read only filesystem. what could be the problem? [06:08] that it is a readonly filesystem [06:08] Action: Zordrak applauds [06:08] well, when my laptop has been on for around hours.. the filesystem turns into read only [06:09] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:09] moar details [06:10] its a reiserfs filesystem, with slackware64. hp laptop and it works fine for some hours and then this problem crops us [06:11] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:11] hrmmm, what does mount show when having this error? [06:12] and is it merely time related or does it happen when you do something in particular? [06:13] mancha: /dev/root on / type reiserfs (rw) [06:13] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:13] bah [06:13] ok, so it is not read-only [06:13] gvim starts fine in xfce [06:13] mancha: i am still able to make files on the windows partition i have mounted. seems only the problem with / partition. [06:13] but wont start in kde at all -_- [06:14] /dev/root [06:14] mancha: i do usual stuff. watching videos and using firefox and things like this [06:14] ? [06:14] slackytude: what if you start it elsewhere and just export the display to kde? [06:14] slackytude: maybe move ~/.kde someplace else and retry. may be a problem with your configuration [06:14] Zordrak, how would I do that? [06:14] gtk vs qt4 lockin' horns,slackytude? [06:15] sahko, eh, that sounds like work [06:15] did you symlink /dev/root to some hd part? [06:15] MLanden_lap, who knows. but gtk app run fine. like xchat [06:15] mancha: i am also thinking why it is showing /dev/root [06:15] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [06:15] mancha: i havent created a symlink [06:16] ls -l /dev/root [06:16] hardway_ (i=75f07c01@gateway/web/freenode/x-bnwtufxlhguwmcks) joined ##slackware. [06:16] can anybody help me I want to set a keyboard shortcut for screenlock [06:16] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-09-15 18:22 /dev/root -> sda6 [06:16] change /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc to remove the nolisten -tcp line.. then in konsole in KDE do `xhost +` then from a non-X terminal on the same box (tty6) do: `export DISPLAY=:0` then run gvim.. or from a different box `export DISPLAY=boxhostname:0` [06:16] that partis more curiousity though, it is not the source of the problem [06:16] though it shows a symlink i dont remember creating one [06:17] vaibhav: its created by default [06:17] hardway_: which window manager/desktop environment are you using? [06:17] slackytude: although youll need to restart X/kdm after removing the nolisten tcp line [06:17] this sounds like a reiser bug or a slack64/reiser joint "don't play nice" bug [06:17] xfce environment [06:17] hardway_: wth is screenlock? [06:18] sahko: oh k.. /etc/mtab shows /dev/root mounted to / whereas fstab shows /dev/sda6 should have been mounted to / [06:18] sahko: is this normal? [06:18] locking the screen while all the process will be running in background [06:18] hardway_: ctrl+alt+delete is xflock4 by default [06:18] sahko not working [06:18] sahko: not working [06:19] vaibhav: yes. its the same here [06:19] the symlink is not your problem vaibhav [06:19] mancha: i am having this problem for a while now. i tried reiserfsck last night to check for errors in filesystem but same problem came up today too [06:19] can anybody tell how to configure [06:20] vaibhav, was this fs ever error free? [06:20] hardway_: do you have xscreensaver installed? i think thats what xflock4 is using [06:20] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] yes installed [06:20] hardway_: did not google tell you how? [06:21] vaibhav, i hate to say this but this might be due to your drive getting close to death [06:21] mancha: i doubt that. its a new laptop which I just bought. [06:21] ok then we can discard that possibility. has this fs ever worked? [06:22] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.12.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [06:22] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.174.234) joined ##slackware. [06:22] no [06:22] hello [06:22] Zordrak, I didnt do the nolisten stuff [06:22] Zordrak, but it works [06:22] I got gvim now [06:22] what does that tell me? [06:23] mancha: initially it did work. after a while i started having this problem. [06:23] mancha: if i reboot, the problem is solved for a while but creeps back in. [06:23] vaibhav, i don't know. [06:24] mancha: should i go for a fresh install with some other filesystem maybe? [06:24] lagann_ (i=hex@71.233.171.54) left irc: "Leaving" [06:24] that's an option if you just installed and won't lose much configuration...and you don't care to debug this. i've not used reiser so can't really help. [06:24] ext3fs [06:26] mancha: well i wont lose much configuration just that i will have to try and reinstall the broadcomm drivers which were difficult to get working [06:26] hardway_: btw xflock4 uses xlock not xscreensaver [06:26] Quiznos: ext3 filesystem you refer? [06:26] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:26] hold up a second. [06:27] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:27] you are on slack64 right? what bcom driversdo you mean, windows wrapped in ndis? [06:27] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] ÔÕÓâÔ ×ÓéÔ [06:28] no the new drivers broadcomm has released [06:28] sahko:so what should I do to use xlock [06:29] I changed the GTK style things and it looks like gvim comes up now [06:29] very very odd [06:29] oh, haven;t followed is it a b43xx chipset? if so there;'s an opensource project: b43 [06:30] which has been mainlined for a while now. but this doesn't help with your fs issue, just an fyi [06:30] vaibhav yes [06:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427638.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:30] hardway_: dont really know dont use it, if you have xlock, xlockmore and xscreensaver installed xfce4 will use one of them with ctrl+alt+del by default [06:30] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:30] dont know why it doesnt work for you [06:30] mancha: no i am referring to new proprietary drivers released by broadcomm which you can find here http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [06:31] yes, i understood that and i wanted to let you know that if your chipset is b43xx then you have an opensource solutions (up to firmware) [06:31] mancha: yes it is a b43xx chipset [06:31] you need the firmware or it wont work. [06:32] there are slackbuilds for it [06:32] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:33] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:33] vaibhav, of course, this choice is up to you, if you like the bcom drivers and they work for you then you might not care. the b43 driver is mainlined in the kernel now. [06:33] you can find more info at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [06:33] mancha: well one more point. it might have some relation to adobe flash player 64 bit alpha version which causes my audio to oscillate whenever i go full screen. can this have a relation? [06:34] mancha: well i will check them out [06:35] vaibhav, i have no idea, i've not used reiser, nor adobe flash 64 bit alpha :/ [06:36] mancha: thank you. I would probably start out with a fresh install. [06:36] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [06:36] consider ext3, solid, journaled, good perf [06:36] mancha: well i have tried reiserfs before, never had this problem. well might as well try ext3 [06:37] slackytude: would depend on whether you did it from tty6 or a second box [06:38] i don't know how many slack64/reiser users you'll find, so if you're not overly attached to reiser, changing fs might fix things cheaply :> [06:39] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:39] hard to say,mancha [06:39] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] vaibhav: what's your problem with reiserfs? [06:40] ananke: my filesystem turns into readonly mode for no apparent reason after a while of working fine [06:40] thank god its new coffee day [06:41] there's always a reason [06:41] im about to make a coffee that was ground from fresh beans about 5 minutes ago [06:41] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:41] vaibhav: did you inspect 'dmesg'? that's usually a very clear sign of your block device having problems [06:41] kool [06:41] ananke: did you catch my IR comments? [06:41] Zordrak: new grounds? [06:41] i thought the "might fix things" addressed the uncertainty [06:41] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] MLanden_lap: ooohh yeaah [06:41] Zordrak: when? [06:41] last 48hrs [06:41] 'might fix things' is never good enough, when the problem is not clearly understood [06:42] Zordrak: nope [06:42] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:42] wasn't taking to you asperger [06:42] summary: I dont need lircd.. the IR reciever i have presents itself as a keyboard & mouse combination over USB [06:42] mancha: i see you're as much of an idiot as usual [06:42] worked instantly and as expected [06:42] and as a result xbmc is working *perfectly* [06:42] Zordrak: now that's a nice surprise [06:42] and i see you didn;'t take your meds, again [06:42] you're telling me [06:43] mancha: your inability to perform a medical diagnosis is astonishing [06:43] ananke: Buffer I/O error on devide sda6, logical block 3707999 type errors before it is warning of trying to write on a readonly FS [06:43] vaibhav: welcome to stuffed hdd land [06:43] Allah having a bright shine upon you [06:43] vaibhav: there you go. if anything, either your drive is having issues, or the driver for your disk controller [06:44] vaibhav: you are likely to run into the same problems with another filesystem [06:44] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] vaibhav find spinrite v5; install with freedos onto bootable cd [06:44] ananke: so seems like the drive has gone bad. should i probably get it replaced [06:45] dont toss the drive until after you run spinrite [06:45] hardway_ (i=75f07c01@gateway/web/freenode/x-bnwtufxlhguwmcks) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [06:45] Zordrak, just a tty [06:45] Quiznos: is that a recallibration program? [06:45] Quiznos: i am not following you much. but i will look into spinrite [06:45] basically, but it does more [06:45] ok [06:45] Zordrak, but it seems to work now, after I changed the gtk style things [06:46] vaibhav: that's possible. however, before you do that, ask yourself couple of questions: a) did you have similar issues before installing lastest os? b) do you have access to utilities from your disk manufacturer? those are always the best way to diagnose problems. c) have you used smartctl yet? [06:46] vaibhav make sure it's a dosapp [06:47] vaibhav: when it comes to filesystems, 9 out of 10 times when it's software issue, it's the actual driver for said disk controller, and not the filesystem [06:48] ananke: i dont seem to be having this problem with windows vista which works fine. so most probably it maybe a driver issue. [06:48] mancha: so please do tell, are you yourself plagued by some kind of medical condition, that you automatically assume others have similar issues? [06:48] heh [06:48] a psychopath? [06:48] vaibhav: have you tried any other linux distro on this hardware? [06:48] Quiznos: quite possibly [06:49] ananke: what kind of utilities are you referring to from the manufactured. HP dint provide any. i have a set of rescue disk for vista which the reseller provided me with [06:49] ananke: no, i havent tried any other distro [06:49] mmmmmmmm... fresh coffee grounds make more foam than a fresh 2L bottle of Diet Coke [06:49] heh [06:49] anake, i am puzzled by your apparent interest in me, you often start addressing me on here...i have no interest in you or your disturbed personality. why do you keep talking to me? [06:49] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:49] vaibhav: every major disk manufacturer has a program designed to test their disks. unfortunately, it's usually a dos application [06:50] mancha mutuality? [06:50] ananke: but its usually provided as a bootable is-o [06:50] mancha: ironically enough, you're the jerk who decided to start this. at least be a man to admit that [06:50] alternatively UBCD has them all [06:51] vaibhav: hmm, maybe it would be a good idea to start off with smartctl. run 'smartctl -a /dev/yourdevice' and pastebin.com the output [06:51] afaik i have never initiated any conversations with you. my recollection of you dates back to when you spazzed out like a child when i said colonel. do you use a different nick maybe? otherwise i've never started a convo with you, and i'd like it that way. [06:51] ananke: i will look into the disk manufacturer to check for the program [06:51] ananke: wait [06:52] mancha: 06:42 mancha> wasn't taking to you asperger [06:52] yes that is a reply. [06:52] m-w.com has a good definition for "initiate" [06:53] ananke: http://pastebin.com/m3d61ce6d [06:53] mancha: i like how you redefine reality by substituting your own version. here we have an example where you clearly decided to be a complete jerk for no good reason, and you accuse me of 'addressing' you [06:54] time out.. return to your corners [06:54] what's a good reason? [06:54] i have no idea what you're talking about but i fear i am getting sucked into exactly what i'd like to avoid, talking to you. so you're going on ignore, feel free to rant one-way as much as you'dlile. [06:54] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.174.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:54] like* [06:54] mancha: your ad hominem attack came after my general statement. if you can't stand somebody making general statements about solving a problem, you shouldn't attack the person, try addressing the issue at hand. [06:55] vaibhav: smartctl is showing a few errors that occured roughly 10 days ago [06:56] nyRednek (n=yosi@66.168.46.171) left irc: No route to host [06:56] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-ksfftesecmsroany) left irc: [06:56] ananke: line 90 of output right? [06:57] vaibhav: yep. and a few more down [06:57] vaibhav: RMA the disk [06:57] Buggabo0 (n=Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:57] hey [06:57] but first run the MFR utility from UBCD [06:57] how do I limit the bash recursion depth to prevent forkbombs in slackware? [06:57] Zordrak: RMA? [06:57] ulimit [06:58] reading output of smartctl is often not much fun, but this one is clearly showing some issues [06:58] O_o [06:58] #!/bin/bash :{:|:&};: [06:58] Buggabo0: ulimit -u [06:58] Buggabo0: /me returns the bomb with a tennis racquet [06:58] don't paste forkbombs here, some noob might try it [06:58] Buggabo0: and no need to paste that here. somebody may either accidentally, or unknowingly execute that [06:58] #!/bin/bash rm * [06:59] Zordrak: i am not really sure what is RMA and UBCD? [06:59] at least that imbecile mancha has me on ignore now [06:59] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.3) joined ##slackware. [06:59] vaibhav: rma = return merchandise authorization [06:59] vaibhav: http://lmgtfy.com/?=UBCD [06:59] vaibhav: http://lmgtfy.com/?=RMA [07:00] 15th of september, 2009: The national penguinFucker'z Day ? [07:00] Wyzir: Please leave. [07:00] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl139-83.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Zordrak: on a similar note, mac mini's remote also 'just worked' :) [07:01] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Zordrak: thanks i will look into it [07:01] Zordrak: Mea Maxima culpa [07:01] I have a Slack box with a 100Mbit LAN card and a vsftpd set up. I can sent a file TO the server with 10MB/sec but I can only download files at 70kbit/sec. Why is that? The client is FileZilla under Windows. [07:02] nick4: try: a) another protocol, b) another client [07:02] okey ananke [07:02] nick4: this will quickly help you isolate the issue [07:04] well, actually SSH/ftp has a problem too :/ I can only transfer files at 3MB/sec and I can see on top that sshd uses only 17% of the CPU. So the CPU isn't the bottleneck... [07:04] nick4, iirc vsftp has variosu throttles for anonymouse vs registered users, have you set any of that? [07:05] ananke, sorry bout that. [07:05] I don't remember. But I use a registered used. Let me check my options file. [07:05] just making my point clear. [07:06] nick4: 3MB/s upload to the server? so that tells us that it's not a network issue, but something specific to ftp server/client [07:06] Buggabo0: i think most people know what a forkbomb is, without having a ready-to-go example :) [07:06] ananke 3mb/sec on SSH, not FTP. FTP uploads with 10MB/sec and downloads with 80kbit/sec [07:06] I will try disabling the firewall [07:07] adupuis__ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [07:07] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:07] nick4: firewall is an unlikely culprit here. [07:07] vaibhav (n=landy@59.96.41.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:07] Buggabo0: first and final warning - if you ever post a literal harmful command in this channel, you will be vanned for life from ##slackware [07:08] yeap, firewall was not the issue [07:08] ananke, okay. ulimit is deprecated, and the getrlimit and setrlimit are includes for C apps. [07:08] Buggabo0: bash's ulimit isn't deprecated [07:08] does the forkbomb still work? I thought they tweaked something in the kernel and disabled it [07:08] ulimit is a bash internal, are you going by some C manpage? [07:08] alienBOB, I assume you mean banned, yes, your point is clear. [07:09] Buggabo0: we're talking about internal bash command, not the c function [07:09] nick4: there isn't anything in the kernel to prevent it. at least not in the mainstream kernel. grsecurity had some patches [07:09] hm. oh. [07:10] ah, I see [07:10] man ulimit shows the C include. [07:10] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [07:10] I think I tried it some time ago and nothing happened [07:10] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-swkdesgftlelpwfu) joined ##slackware. [07:10] I tried `ulimit -u` and it showed me a nice positive integer. [07:10] no idea what it means. [07:10] Buggabo0: type 'ulimit -a' [07:10] it means how many [07:11] you want a small number of max processes [07:11] so when the forkbomb reaches the max, it can't continue to iterate. [07:11] please elaborate on how you define small.... [07:12] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:12] well, big enogh to not obstruct your normal usage and small enough to not allow a bomb to send your user to hell [07:13] Okay. [07:13] the alternative is to not run any process bombs [07:13] Can't guarantee that, for naughty users. [07:14] don't allow naughty users on your system. [07:14] Wyzir (i=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-zbgirdbpxzxwxfiu) left ##slackware. [07:14] I'll think I'll go for the tried and true "security by obscurity". And not mention a word. [07:14] ananke you are RIGHT! it was the client. SmartFTP uploads and downloads at full speed [07:14] thank you [07:14] nick4: np. [07:15] anyways, thanks guys. [07:15] Buggabo0 (n=Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [07:15] fixing problems is easy, if you just divide the problem into easily chunks [07:15] easily replacable chunks [07:16] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Connection timed out [07:16] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [07:16] ananke: hey if you wanna be cocky about problem solving i have a bastard of a problem with Kronolith you can work on [07:16] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl139-83.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: "later" [07:16] Zordrak: never heard of kronolith, but sure. whenever i get to work [07:16] heh [07:17] and i assume you meant that as a joke [07:17] wobbles (n=huntsman@C-59-101-255-73.bur.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:17] ohh. it's a horde app. i never went that way [07:17] just install zimbra and set the cruise control :) [07:17] not at all [07:18] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:18] im dead serious [07:18] zimbra blows goats [07:18] you're dead serious about me being cocky regarding problem solving? [07:18] no about needing my problem olving and having no direction to take [07:18] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [07:19] certainly, i can try to assist. just gotta get ready for work, and i'll be back shortly [07:19] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-141-152-179-4.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [07:19] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:19] and i also used to think that zimbra blows, not anymore. the damn thing just works [07:20] so did horde... util this problem [07:21] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Success [07:22] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:23] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl139-83.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-90-177.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [07:24] ananke I tried another SSH client but the transfer speed over SSH remains ~ 2-3.5MB/sec [07:24] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [07:24] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:25] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:25] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [07:25] hi is there a sort of "favorite" for dolphin like there was for konqueror? [07:26] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:26] carboncopy (i=carbonco@monkey.my) left irc: "Leaving" [07:27] Zordrak, what do you need exactly? [07:27] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:29] When You ask for the only calendar on the server so far via the RPC-requested ICS file, the mysql request completes v quickly.. all of the debug output is completed quickly.. and then the httpd process sits at 100% for the next 50 seconds before it spits out the ICS file [07:29] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-173-108.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:30] uva (i=bno@118-160-164-22.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:33] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:33] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [07:41] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@70.16.70.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:41] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [07:45] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-242-223-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:49] /win 11 [07:49] damnnit [07:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-17-77.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:56] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:00] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Zordrak: have you tried stracing that process? [08:02] httpd one that is [08:02] nick4: try scp'ing file locally ony our linux box [08:02] it was last on my list.. cause itll b next to impossible [08:03] unless theres a method other than stracing the parent process and then trying to identify the process id servind the request.. and then going to the file.pid saved from the strace and crossing my fingers [08:03] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:04] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Zordrak: i assume this is in your production environment. have you replicated the issue on your development/testing instance? with apache you can always limit the number of children it will spawn, basically down to 1, and you can strace that [08:05] Backware (n=Backware@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [08:05] ananke: you assume i have the resources for a test environment... [08:06] thats a horde problem? [08:06] technically a kronolith problem [08:06] Zordrak: time to start investing :) [08:06] why did slackware 12.2-13.0 upgrade make everything so ugly...xfce and kde just look like crap to me [08:06] ananke: funny funny man [08:07] Backware: fail [08:07] Backware: go bitch in #kde and #xfce [08:07] xfce icons are bs...and all of kde is horribl like what did they do [08:07] feinoM (n=feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Zordrak: language [08:08] can i downgrade xfce? [08:08] well seriously Zordrak: run kolf or kbounce and its like...what the hell are they thinking [08:09] uhh yeah.. im just gonna repeat myself [08:09] Backware: go bitch in #kde and #xfce [08:10] and can the default xfce icon sets really be this bad or did my upgrade/slackware's package get messed up...seems like a lot of icons are missing compared to 12.2 xfce sets [08:11] xfce 4.6.x is much better than previous versions. i dont know/care about kde [08:11] i suppose some people think the new kde is beautiful...but........my god [08:11] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:11] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Backware: if you dont like it, change it [08:12] kde4 is more about interprocess communication and operability than look [08:12] look is an extra [08:12] extra turdy experience [08:13] spook: how long has it been that the channel isnt +R ? [08:13] http://autoden.org/ken-block-amuses-dirt-2-gamers-1513139.html [08:13] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.12.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:13] funny :P [08:14] ananke: woo.. only 796K of strace output to read through :( [08:16] dont you have a PFY for that? [08:16] ;) [08:16] so then the xfce icons are supposed to be all jacked up? [08:17] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:18] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [08:18] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl139-83.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [08:19] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:19] what do i need to get a file parsed by vim as strace? [08:19] an extension perhaps? [08:20] Backware: try creating a new (temporary) user, use that to run XFCE & KDE and see if that new user does have goodlooking desktops [08:20] If you failed to remove the old configurations for KDE3 apps and the old XFCE, then chances are that your upgraded desktop may be seriously messed up [08:20] ok [08:22] Zordrak: i hope you used strace -t :) [08:22] ananke: will redo if nec. [08:22] :set syntax=strace [08:23] looks the same...i guess they just want everything to look like roxfiler...argg [08:24] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:24] ananke: doing with -tt [08:24] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [08:25] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [08:27] paissad-hp (n=paissad@134.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:27] hi is there a sort of "favorite" for dolphin like there was for konqueror? [08:28] Backware (n=Backware@76.73.16.26) left irc: "CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)" [08:28] ananke: 10,000 lines of time(NULL) = 1253017505.... occasionally indispersed with gettimeofday({1253017505, 921112}, NULL) = 0 then nanosleep({0, 1000}, NULL) = 0.. then the first line again with a diff 2nd param [08:28] firedix (n=firedix@host199.190-231-146.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:30] in fact... theres a 35s break in the output [08:30] surrealgirl, there are places [08:30] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:30] slackytude, like wot [08:30] surrealgirl, maybe that does what you want to? [08:30] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] jumps straight from a list of time(NULL) at 13:24:20.7xxxxx to 13:25:05.7xxxxx [08:31] oh you mean "place" hold on [08:33] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [08:35] guten [08:35] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:35] is there a nice TODO cmdline program for multiple users? [08:35] Zordrak: was this strace -f? [08:36] -f -ff [08:36] FFFFFFFFFF- [08:36] -tt -f -ff -o apache [08:36] hmm, time to start reinstall of two more servers [08:37] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.16) joined ##slackware. [08:37] damn things too big even to pastebin [08:37] PuroOsso (n=PuroOsso@189.74.141.10) joined ##slackware. [08:37] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.6) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:38] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.52) joined ##slackware. [08:38] hi [08:38] 14,000 lines [08:38] Zordrak: brb [08:39] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:39] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] thanks slackytude but it doesnt do ftp [08:40] i forget that [08:41] lyra_girl (n=lyrae@220.163.84.243) joined ##slackware. [08:41] raela|alt (n=raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Backware (n=Backware@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [08:43] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:45] say no luck...and now i cant delete the user cuz it says its logged in after i logged out and no processes exist for it lol [08:46] surrealgirl: I opened ftp://somehost/pub/Linux and right-clicked one of the subfolders, selected "add to Places" and there it was, the ftp folder as part of Places in Dolphin [08:47] sdx23 (n=sdx23@unaffiliated/sdx23) joined ##slackware. [08:47] alienBOB, i thought dolphin doesnt do ftp? [08:47] Well mine does [08:47] cybErpunk (i=davi@189.4.69.108) joined ##slackware. [08:48] it does [08:48] well, usually. I just got a segfault but thats just me [08:48] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] w says only one user is logged int but userdel test says "test" is logged in.... [08:50] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:50] test tty2 Tue Sep 15 08:23 gone - no logout wtf? [08:51] ps aux | grep "^test" [08:52] none [08:53] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@220-136-226-86.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [08:56] stew (i=1413@freenode/staff/stew) joined ##slackware. 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[09:06] Nick change: lyra_girl -> lyra [09:06] This things laughing at me [09:07] its literally just sitting back and watching the clock while it waits [09:07] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:08] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:15] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-wzvkfqosfptmbpqg) joined ##slackware. [09:15] lyra (n=lyrae@220.163.84.243) left irc: "Leaving" [09:16] hi [09:18] hi High_Priest [09:18] what is it with people stealing lighters [09:19] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.17) joined ##slackware. [09:19] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:20] i have to reboot to get rid of user test.... [09:20] hi high [09:20] hi Quiznos :) [09:21] hi fox [09:21] High_Priest [09:21] :) [09:21] how ya bin? [09:21] Backware (n=Backware@76.73.16.26) left ##slackware. [09:21] never been better :) [09:21] ananke: it *looks* like it might be select() timeouts [09:21] kool [09:21] but my libc foo is poor [09:21] Quiznos, how you doing? [09:21] i'm ok [09:22] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:22] morning my fellow cultists. :P [09:22] i00nsu (i=1000@85.139.235.122) left irc: "leaving" [09:23] Zordrak: sorry, back. i'm reinstalling a couple slack boxes with another os. if it's select, then you may be getting some kind of a race condition [09:23] select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {1, 0}) --> timeout [09:24] afaiui, thats talking about fd0 [09:24] but im not sure [09:24] file descriptor 0? yeah, that would be my guess, but i'm no programmer [09:25] butbut.. wtf is fd0 [09:25] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:25] the first open() in the file is ld.so.cache which is given fd3 [09:25] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:26] you don't happen to have some kind of restrictions on the number of open files for apache? [09:26] not that im aware of [09:26] onl/y reaches fd29 anyway [09:27] hmmmmmm [09:27] so the question is, what does it eventually open [09:27] looks like fd0 is STDIN [09:27] Stylles (n=Stylles@200.103.166.99) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:27] STDIN = 1, STOUT = 2, STDERR = 3 [09:27] mustapha (n=mustapha@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [09:28] sorry ^ 0 1 2 [09:28] ouch. it's waiting for stdin for 35 seconds and timing out. wtf is it doing [09:28] well.. it does a select on 0 a lot and times out each time (timeout is 1s) [09:28] but its not *totally* clear that thats all the problem is [09:29] ananke: care to look at a single file strace? [09:29] Zordrak: i doubt i'd be able to help, but i can try [09:29] how do you mant it? (2.4M) [09:29] *want [09:29] hmm, post it somewhere on web? [09:29] filebin [09:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] mustapha (n=mustapha@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: Client Quit [09:31] elderK (n=zk@122-57-241-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Hey guys1 [09:31] I was wondering how GtkQt is with yknow, forcing Gtk to be consistent :P [09:31] Also, was wondering if I still require dbus-glib or whatever, if i use qt primarily? [09:32] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.21.7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:32] ananke: http://filebin.ca/exkzak [09:33] got it [09:33] vaibhav (i=3b5c85dc@gateway/web/freenode/x-qwrrtpllpwupoisn) joined ##slackware. [09:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:34] ananke and zordrak are you still there? [09:34] vaibhav: no. they left. [09:34] :) [09:34] vaibhav: who? [09:34] Zordrak: what are the approximate times? [09:34] never heard of them [09:35] ananke: i called HP customer care up and they advised me to run the hard disk check from the bios. its a hitachi harddisk.. ran the self diagnostic test. it gave the result as hard disk is fine [09:35] 14:03:11.665 is where it starts doing bugger all [09:35] vaibhav: too bad smart disagreed [09:36] ananke: what could be the problem then? [09:36] ananke: worth doing a "grep select" [09:36] vaibhav: memory, or drivers for your disk controller. [09:36] brb, gotta kick off the second installer [09:37] Guys? [09:37] Is dbus-glib needed if I use qt? [09:37] or is it just extra? [09:37] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [09:38] vaibhav: do you have a warranty contract with HP? is this a home or work machine? [09:38] ananke: i installed the slackware64 current just before the official release came out... so i sort of assume it as official slackware64. should i go for a new install? [09:38] agentc0re: its just a new machine for home use.. i still have a year pending for warranty to expire [09:41] well don't take their shit. tell them that it's not working and that they need to replace shit now. [09:41] s/shit/mb,mem,hd whatever it is. [09:42] vaibhav: you can use slackpkg to keep your Slackware64 uptodate with official Slackware64 13.0 plus patches which are released [09:43] Just edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and uncomment one of the 64bit mirror URLs. Only one shuld be uncommented. [09:44] alienBOB: yes i am using that. just last week i had updated it to the official 64 mirror [09:44] Detch (n=uriel@unaffiliated/detch) joined ##slackware. [09:44] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-205.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:46] agentc0re: they will take the laptop, will run the same check which i just did now. tell me that vista is working fine and will send me back the same thing [09:49] elderK (n=zk@122-57-241-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [09:50] vaibhav (i=3b5c85dc@gateway/web/freenode/x-qwrrtpllpwupoisn) left irc: "Page closed" [09:50] elkng (n=wnb@gprs-78-191.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) joined ##slackware. [09:51] hello, slack-guys, how are you? [09:52] hello Linux-IRC :) [09:52] so many configurations, very hard to handle slackware. [09:52] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.133.220) joined ##slackware. [09:52] Rackattack (n=eric@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:53] Linux-IRC, thank Pat slackware is different... [09:53] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [09:53] I feel like crap today >_> I think it's some weak kind of influenza. [09:54] Rackattack, take an aspirin [09:54] xD [09:54] rofl [09:55] Anyways, 1. How do you change desktop environments via the command line? and 2. Is there any way I can program specific mod. keys? [09:55] Rackattack, 1.xwmconfig [09:56] Rackattack: what WM are you using? [09:56] KDE [09:56] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:56] you should be able to change the mod key in settings [09:56] wobbles (n=huntsman@C-59-101-255-73.bur.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [09:57] and for 2, I'm trying to program one of my not-so-commonly-used Modifier key to use Kana lock. [09:57] two of the most important questions in life: "what are we having for dinner?" and "where is the remote control?" [09:57] ^lol [09:57] hehe [09:57] macavity, and what do you do when the remote control is so far away...? [09:57] :D [09:57] call in someone to change the channel [09:58] Slack-newbie (n=Slack-ne@113.11.36.147) joined ##slackware. [09:58] and third: "where is my fu*ing beer!" :) [09:58] OR take a stick to push the TV buttons =) [09:58] sitting next to me [09:59] morning is my favorite time to crack open a cold one [09:59] metrofox: in this house it would just become "where is the tv poking stick" in about 5 minutes in stead [09:59] Rackattack (n=eric@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:59] then afternoon, and thirdly evening. [09:59] .. we have a knack at making things quasi disapear [10:00] what's the first task after installing slackware? [10:00] well, i found out that after losing many sock, our dryer really was eating them. [10:00] Slack-newbie, creating a non-root user [10:01] metrofox: how can i do this? [10:01] i dont suppose anyone has an unstripped apache-httpd binary for 32bit 13.0 ... ? [10:01] Slack-newbie, adduser nameuser etc... [10:01] Slack-newbie: remove windows [10:01] heh [10:01] Slack-newbie, if your D.E. is KDE you can run kuser... =) [10:01] that was before installing Slack [10:02] mrselfpwn: really!? :) [10:02] of course [10:02] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [10:03] elkng, if you install linux with windows at the first problem you switch to windows, if you don't have other choices you remain on linux and learn how to solve that problem :) It's forced good thing :P [10:03] metrofox: what will be the group from kuser ? [10:03] metrofox: group for new user [10:04] Slack-newbie: adduser tells you to hit up to add additional groups. that is a good idea [10:04] the primary group should be "users" [10:04] you may also want to add on the option to add more the group "power" for your user [10:05] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:05] Slack-newbie, my user has god "games, plugdev, scanner" and something else... [10:05] *got sorry :P [10:05] power is to give the shutdown/sleep/hybernate commands [10:06] without having to be root [10:07] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Slack-newbie (n=Slack-ne@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [10:07] i cant believe i am frigging recompiling apache just to find out what's happening with kronolith [10:07] mrselfpwn, in my point of view user should not be in that group... =) [10:07] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:07] and how come? [10:08] i'm on a single user system [10:09] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.164) joined ##slackware. [10:10] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:10] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [10:11] that cooliris stuff is kinda neat [10:11] useless but neat [10:11] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:11] mrselfpwn, I don't know, I don't choose that group for security issues, if you run a malicious script that reboots your machine at the beginning of the session users will be conditioned as the first... =) [10:11] slackytude: gets annoyitg over time [10:12] maybe I'm wrong but I prefer not to choose that group for the user =) [10:12] i'm not worried with that [10:12] Zordrak: probably. but its nice to scroll through your own pictures as well [10:13] just preference metrofox [10:13] ok guys... I disappear for a while ;) see ya later =) [10:13] mrselfpwn, yeah =) [10:14] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) joined ##slackware. [10:19] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) joined ##slackware. [10:20] anyone have any ideas why suspend to ram will only work once with 13.0 on an ibm t43? the second time i try to suspend to ram, it just locks the console. I've tried using # [10:20] # [10:20] X.Org Wiki - radeonTV doh [10:20] 03 SEP 09 [10:20] http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_acpid#Example:_go_to_sleep_on_lid_close [10:21] and also tried http://foosel.org/linux/t43#acpi_scripts [10:21] (ignore the ## 03 sep09 xorg wiki) [10:22] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:25] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "byeeee" [10:25] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.7.233) joined ##slackware. [10:26] hi I need a different time server that isnt time.windows.com it seems dead [10:26] hahaha [10:26] dissociative: funny [10:26] dissociative: pool.ntp.org [10:26] oops [10:26] forgot running irssi inside screen [10:27] dissociative: ntp.demon.co.uk [10:28] or use the pools [10:28] looks like the cmos battery of my pc is discharged also [10:28] Detch (n=uriel@unaffiliated/detch) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:30] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] when i try to make xconfig in 13.0 64 it goes 'unable to find qt3' how can i fix this? [10:31] scrote (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] hiya [10:31] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:31] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:31] installing qt3? [10:31] lowkyalur: look in /extra/qt3-compat/ [10:32] dissociative: i can launch qtconfig though [10:32] when i hit ctrl-alt-F2 I don't get into a login prompt. It's just a blinking cursor [10:32] how do I quit out of the window manager ? [10:32] scrote, On runlevel 4, there is only one text console to login at... ctrl-alt-f6 [10:32] i'll try that thanx [10:33] You can edit /etc/inittab to have other ones running on runlevel 4. [10:33] scrote (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:35] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:37] spook: nope, that didnt change anything [10:37] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:37] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [10:37] spook: or should i install all the stuff there? [10:38] lowkyalur: well... [10:38] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:38] neonflux_ (n=mrjones@207.47.17.84.static.nextweb.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Pavlz (n=Pavlz@unaffiliated/pavlz) joined ##slackware. [10:40] end of draft for 802.11n after 7 years :-) [10:40] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [10:41] neonflux (n=mrjones@207.47.17.29.static.nextweb.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [10:43] XFCEtard (n=XFCEtard@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [10:44] spook: [10:44] spook: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck', needed by `scripts/kconfig/qconf.o'. Stop [10:44] ... [10:44] still no change [10:44] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:47] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:48] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:48] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [10:48] XFCEtard (n=XFCEtard@76.73.16.26) left irc: "CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)" [10:48] scrote (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] hi [10:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:49] how can i start xinit from the command line, with out kde starting? I like to drop out of X when i game. [10:50] raela|alt (n=raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: "leaving" [10:50] scrote: you can start X with "startx" [10:50] then it starts kde [10:50] it will then start the windowmanager defined in your ~/.xinitrc [10:51] elkng (n=wnb@gprs-78-191.vntc.ru) left irc: "leaving" [10:51] xwmconfig to pick a new default [10:52] i wan't the default to be kde. But sometimes I wan't to drop out of kde into just X [10:52] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [10:52] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:53] NORD` (n=exz_m_y@29-103-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] like when i play ut2004. then manually invoke kde when i want to go back to the desktop [10:53] scrote: for what reason? [10:53] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@70.16.70.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:54] i have a slow computer. [10:54] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:54] im a bit pincher [10:54] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.53.125.132) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:55] AkumaTw0 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:55] guys.. I'm using slax on a pendrive... sometimes X hangs up.. it tries to start again but hangs and it keeps on a loop [10:55] #slax? [10:55] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.166.194) joined ##slackware. [10:55] i see [10:55] scrote: it's just a guess: but just define a line like "exec xterm" in your .xinitrc and then run startx [10:56] it should just open an xterm where you can run applications [10:56] Billtoo_ (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:56] i see ~/.xinitrc is a bash script. is there a way to pass command line args to this when i run startx ? [10:56] mancha, i thought I could get help faster here, as it's slackware based... [10:56] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-mywhdjiwsdwsdbrj) joined ##slackware. [10:56] scrote: 'xinit /usr/bin/xterm' will start X with just an xterm. [10:56] its not a script, its a config file [10:56] scrote: You can replace that with any window manager or DE you want. [10:56] startx reads it on startup [10:57] thanx [10:57] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [10:57] scrote (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:58] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7C0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:00] john_dee (n=id@93.81.116.191) left irc: "link closed" [11:01] Akuma (n=Akuma@96.21.131.161) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:01] anyway... here is my kdm.log http://pastebin.com/d48a7131a [11:01] Pavlz (n=Pavlz@unaffiliated/pavlz) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [11:01] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:01] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik_msk [11:01] NORD` (n=exz_m_y@29-103-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: [11:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:02] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:02] Wurm (n=celestia@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] akSeya, X is crashing, from the looks of it. [11:03] akSeya, Not sure I can offer much advise other than perhaps trying a different version of the driver. [11:04] adamk, it's strange cause xorg.0.log does not show errors [11:05] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [11:07] "Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds" seems to be coming from your video drivers./ [11:09] f' [11:09] Billtoo_ (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [11:09] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-wzvkfqosfptmbpqg) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] When I try to connect to my wireless entwork via command line it says that "err, ra0: timed out [11:10] warn, ra0: using IPV4LL address 169.254.200.61" [11:10] I'm not sure what to do. [11:10] Why is it that it seems like dmesg cuts the kernel boot message at some juncture? I saw several of "FATAL" lines during the bootup but dmesg doesn't report them! [11:10] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:11] KDEtard (n=KDEtard@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [11:11] Hilox, Are you sure those fatal lines were from the kernel and not services trying to start up? [11:11] is there a way to downgrade to slackware 12.2 [11:11] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:11] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:12] adamk, Perhaps, but is there a way I can capture them during bootup? [11:12] im really despising all the ways other projects are changing their stuff to cater to the masses...i know slackware is jsut keeping up to date...but the others are ruining linux [11:12] KDEtard, you should be able to just reverse the upgrade process (including Changes And Hints) [11:12] KDEtard, how so? [11:12] well upgradepkg wont exactly work... [11:12] Any help with my wireless problem would be appreciated. [11:12] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:12] KDEtard, yes it will. [11:13] awesome [11:13] Hilox, You could check /var/log/messages... Or perhaps other logs in /var/log [11:13] maybe ill just do kde and xfce [11:14] KDEtard, becareful. The libs are designed to work together, if you swap out parts that are counting on other parts, you might bork everything. [11:14] adamk, I had. messages and syslog don't show anything. I'll keep looking. [11:14] why not just reinstall 12.2 from scratch? backup your configs and your data [11:14] KDEtard, i agree with mancha [11:14] i think i shall [11:15] then i can [11:16] zGhost (n=zGhost@adsl-68-79-132-88.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] can i mount my slackware volume from the 12.2 cd and removepkg * then install slackware 12.2...i dont want to lose anything i've installed manually [11:17] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:17] KDEtard, that is probably going to leave messy artifacts everywhere. Save your data/configs and do it clean [11:17] i can chroot to do most of it...removepkg doesnt have a --root option [11:18] .. [11:18] Why would removepkg need a --root? [11:18] same reason installpkg has --root ? [11:18] i guess...could be useful? [11:19] i could just sed all the /var/log/packages to add /mnt/ to the front of the filenames :p [11:20] CcSsNET (n=user@c-71-232-196-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] KDEtard, pkgtool [11:21] kk [11:21] oh i see what you're saying. [11:21] vantech (n=art@216.6.155.17) joined ##slackware. [11:22] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.77.87) joined ##slackware. [11:22] I still feel like you're approaching this the wrong way [11:22] Can someone help me setup a wireless network in Slackware 13 please? [11:22] zGhost (n=zGhost@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:22] Wurm: use wicd [11:22] The chances of you getting this exactly right are pretty slim. I'd install fresh and reinstall whatever it is that you think you're going to be losing. [11:22] spook: It's buggy. [11:22] well the upgrade went fine...wish i could downgrade as easily, keep all my php libs and such all the little things, my mysql db etc etc [11:22] Wurm, how so? [11:23] hiptobecubic: It doesn't want to obtain an IP. [11:23] KDEtard, you can. You just need to backup that stuff manually and then restore it afterwards [11:23] if i were to chroot from 12.2 cd and removepkg *, what do i need to keep sed, pkgtool, aaabase ? [11:24] hiptobecubic: I tried doing it manually but it tells me that dhcpcd already has an IPV4LL IP. Or something. [11:24] Nick change: vantech -> artv [11:25] hiptobecubic: I'm pretty sure I did everything with ifconfig/iwconfig correctly. [11:25] Wurm, you aren't tell anyone enough to help you. What did you actually do? [11:25] telling* [11:25] what options are you giving dhcpcd ? [11:25] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [11:25] LF4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] Nick change: artv -> artveee [11:26] KDEtard: dhcpcd ra0 [11:26] Wurm: its not. [11:26] dhcpcd has a bug. [11:26] spook: Even in the command line? [11:26] Wurm: ... [11:27] i dont use wireless. but i think maybe slackware makes it so easy that you assume its going to be more complicated (from wireless linux's history) and then overcomplicate it [11:27] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Client Quit [11:27] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [11:28] I don't feel like slackware makes it particularly more difficult or simple than the other modern distros [11:28] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.77.87) left irc: "Leaving" [11:28] infact i think it easier than most distros [11:28] hiptobecubic: This is my first dive into Linux so I'm a bit lost, everything is complicated for me at the moment xD. [11:28] and its all controlled from rc.??? there is one file afaik [11:28] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [11:29] KDEtard: i wouldnt reduce it down to that. [11:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427638.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] Wurm, is wicd running? [11:30] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left ##slackware. [11:30] hiptobecubic: Yes. [11:30] Wurm, stop it. `sh /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd stop` [11:31] hiptobecubic: Done. [11:31] Wurm, does the network you are trying to connect to have encryption? [11:31] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:31] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [11:31] hiptobecubic: Yes. [11:31] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89D23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:32] Wurm, have you read /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf ? [11:32] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [11:32] hiptobecubic: Probably not? I just installed Slack last night :\. I don't know how to do much. [11:33] im taking a poll on DE's/WM's people are using, gimme ur 2 cents plx [11:33] Wurm, ok. it's a config file that allows you to set up your networking rather painlessly [11:33] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.77.87) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Action: MrHales attempts to push two pennies through his USB ports. "Ooh, that tingles!" [11:33] make a copy of that file incase you bork it up. then open it and take a look [11:33] hiptobecubic: That sounds like something that would be useful. How do I access it? [11:34] Action: adamk is quite happy with both KDE4.2 and xfce4.6 [11:34] KDEtard, the great googley-moogley is FULL of responses to that poll [11:35] KDEtard, however, you really should try them out and see for yourself. It's easy enough to switch (xwmconfig) [11:35] hiptobecubic: yeah but i want it from slackware people not ubuntards [11:35] slacktards* [11:36] it doesn't matter which kind of .*tard tells you. It's still not very useful. It's like asking people about their favorite food so that you can pick a favorite food for youself. [11:36] KDE, don't be a hater. just test them and pick the one you like. [11:36] yeah ive used them all...and i see that some of them are repeatedly adding cruft/dumbing down the interfaces and i dont like it! [11:36] Wurm, are you new to slackware or new to linux? [11:37] hiptobecubic: Linux. [11:37] hiptobecuibc: Friend of mind helped install Slack last night to save me from Vista. [11:37] KDEtard, try openbox or fluxbox. perhaps. [11:37] with something as big as the kde project, you have to swallow all the dumb changes they make just to use the old stuff you liked [11:37] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:38] just like when gnome absorbed abiword and gnumeric [11:38] Wurm, there is a long, rather boring page you need to read. It is VERY worth your time whether or not you stay with slackware. (hopefully your friend explained that there are many different distros available?) [11:38] well kinda... [11:38] Wurm, http://www.slackbook.org [11:38] hiptobecubic: Yeah I know there are many different types xD. [11:38] Wurm: Congratulations on taking the red pill. [11:38] hiptobecubic: I'd like to get this wireless working asap though so I can get out of my dad's work area. [11:39] Wurm, what is wicd doing when you try to connect? [11:39] You said it can't get an IP? [11:39] hiptobecubic: It authenticates then tries to obtain an IP and fails. [11:39] hiptobecubic: I've tried using Dhclient and dhcpcd. [11:39] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Stale leases? [11:40] I had the same problem at my friends house last night but we could connect via command line. [11:40] have fun slackers, dont let the masses limit your possibilities! peace [11:40] Wurm, are you sure it's authenticating properly? [11:40] paissad-hp (n=paissad@134.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] nyRednek (n=yosi@66-168-46-171.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Wicd says it does. [11:40] Is there a way to checl? [11:41] check* [11:41] KDEtard (n=KDEtard@76.73.16.26) left ##slackware. [11:41] the log [11:41] I've used wicd successfully on 802.11b/g with open,wep,wpa,wpa2 without any issues. [11:41] I'm using N o_o. [11:41] N? [11:41] ah [11:41] An n router. [11:41] That shouldn't affect how wicd works though. [11:41] does your nic do N? [11:41] less /var/log/wicd/wicd.log [11:42] mancha: NIC? [11:42] wireless card [11:42] Yes. [11:42] Network Interface Card [11:42] I connected to my network fine when I had windows. [11:42] does the linux driver for your nic support n [11:42] Do you have stale leases in /var/state/dhcp/ ? [11:43] mancha: I have no idea... [11:43] MrHales: How would I check? [11:43] see if there are any files in that dir: ls /var/state/dhcp [11:43] Wurm: You could also try wpa_supplicant instead of wicd. See if wpa_supplicant can authenticate and associate. [11:43] paissad-hp (n=paissad@134.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:43] I had stale lease problems in the past with my lil netbook [11:43] odes your router support g? [11:44] mancha: Yes, it's b/g/n compatable I believe. [11:44] It would authenticate and then spin forever trying to secure a lease [11:44] MrHales: There's a dhcpd.leases file. [11:44] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [11:44] rm that and then try again. [11:44] MrHales: Sorry, RM? [11:44] remove [11:45] you'll need to do that in a rootly way, though... so: sudo rm /var/state/dhcp/* [11:45] Mmkay. [11:45] It's a bit of sloppy way to fix things, but it worked for me. [11:46] Assuming that's the problem. Wicd will recreate that file as needs be. [11:46] Well, wicd and it's helpers. My understanding of wicd was that it's just a friendly face on the command line utils. [11:46] My understanding, however, may be flawed. [11:46] Okay. [11:46] So I rm'ed them. [11:46] Try running WICD again? [11:47] Yeah. [11:47] Oh we shut the daemon down earlier. [11:47] How do I turn it back on xD? [11:47] Wurm, sh /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start [11:47] Thank you, hiptobecubic [11:47] Wurm, also, you might try asking this simultaneously in #wicd [11:49] I would have to check, but I *think* I may have added a line into the shutdown scripts to remove any extant lease files on that netbook just to avoid this sort of problem in the future... [11:50] ivenkys (n=ivenkys@unaffiliated/ivenkys) left irc: "leaving" [11:50] Yeah i probably should I have done that. [11:50] I'm trying to connect to the network now. [11:50] Okay... [11:50] No luck. [11:50] Still failed to obtain an IP. [11:50] Can I try connecting without using WICD? [11:50] Of course. Always more than one way to do anything in Linux. [11:50] i bet its not associated even, forget the ip part [11:51] iwconfig show association? [11:51] Ask three slackers the same question, get three answers. [11:51] ".. three different answers." [11:51] mancha: association is an unknown command. [11:51] "iwconfig" [11:52] iwconfig show association [11:52] iwconfig: unknown command "association" [11:52] Wurm, does the "Access Point: " show something [11:52] "iwconfig" [11:52] Wurm, it's just iwconfig [11:52] no params [11:52] just the single f*cking word: iwconfig [11:52] Oh. [11:52] lol [11:52] mancha: Sorry xD. [11:52] :> [11:52] `iwconfig connect to my ap please kthx` [11:53] ra0 Ralink STA [11:53] Which would be my wireless. [11:53] yes... [11:53] That's all it says. [11:53] iwconfig doesn't show a line like this " Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:1E:E5:3A:AF:26 " [11:53] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Nope. [11:53] are you root? [11:53] Yes. [11:54] Wait I got it. [11:54] Could this be a missing firmware issue? [11:54] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:54] Access Point Not-Associated. [11:54] bingo [11:54] right [11:54] It doesn't show an ESSID either. [11:54] therefore the missing IP is not the issue, you can't get an IP via dhcp if you're not associated first [11:55] Okay. [11:55] That makes logical sense. [11:55] eek, i try not to do that... [11:55] So then [11:55] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [11:55] ok, did you load the driver for this card? [11:56] When I do iwlist scan my network shows up. [11:56] ok [11:56] Yes, we did. [11:56] We had wireless working last night at my friend's house. [11:56] iwlist scan, you mean? [11:56] No, it just showed lo eth0 and ra0. [11:56] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] i could do iwlist ra0 though and it'll only show that. [11:57] I8 [11:57] I* [11:57] Wurm, no. that's a difference command [11:57] huh? [11:57] iwlist ra0 scan [11:57] type that [11:57] AnTourter (n=artourte@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:57] It finds my network. [11:57] right [11:57] thats good news [11:57] so now enable debugging on the wicd client and try to connect and look at the logs [11:58] Wurm, are you sure you picked the right kind of encryption from the dropdown? [11:58] WEP. [11:58] Yup. [11:58] N does WEP? [11:58] hex or passphrase? [11:58] Actually hold on... [12:01] Wurm1 (n=celestia@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] I'm an idiot. Thanks for all your help. [12:02] hiptobecubic: I had WPA selected and net WEP for the encryption... [12:02] for the sake of completeness explain the mistake, others might make the same [12:02] Wurm1, and now it works? [12:02] mancha: It was pretty basic. [12:02] hiptobecubic: Works perfectly. [12:02] hiptobecubic: I just had to set it to WEP Hex. [12:03] right [12:03] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] hiptobecubic: At any rate, it works. [12:03] no go read the slackbook [12:03] Indeed. 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[12:13] i havent got anything concrete from him.. but as he wrote the bit of source in question.. im hoping he plans to do something about it and soon [12:13] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [12:14] ananke: I had to bloody fight hard to get him to acknowledge... because iu had been rambling about trying to debug from the apache P.O.V. because i didnt know how to debug from the php code point of view... all i got was a cop out: [12:15] Zordrak: how about trying in an apache channel instead? doesn't sound like this has anything to do with horde or even php [12:15] thankfully i persevered with him [12:15] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:15] Wurm1 (n=celestia@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:16] So I'm also trying to setup HDMI out for my other computer monitor and it doesn't want to seem to configure nicely. [12:17] are you the wicd person? [12:17] Indeed. [12:17] yay, cssc.asn.au [12:17] THe other nick is still logged in apparently? [12:17] Wurm (n=celestia@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:17] Nick change: Wurm1 -> Wurm [12:17] And now it's not. [12:20] Wurm, What video card are you using? [12:20] adamk Radeon Xpress 1250. [12:21] fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:21] I had it working fine on Linux but I used the Radeon Catalyst Center to configure it. [12:21] on Windows* [12:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Wurm, If you run 'xrandr' do both monitors show up? [12:26] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [12:27] adamk: How would I run that? I'm a Linux newb :\. [12:28] I think I figured it out, and yes it showed up. [12:28] guten morgen [12:28] Wurm, Just bring up a terminal and run 'xrandr'. [12:28] hey godling [12:28] Wurm, Can you go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste in the output from that command? [12:28] VGA-0 is disconnected, LVDS is my netbook screen, and HDMI-0 which is connected is other monitor. [12:28] Um sure. [12:29] adamk: http://pastebin.com/d5de91333 [12:31] Cool. Simply try running 'xrandr --output HDMI --auto --right-of LVDS' (or --left-of if the external monitor is on the left). [12:31] Okay. [12:31] Sorry, make that: 'xrandr --output HDMI-0 --auto --right-of LVDS' [12:31] Erm. [12:32] xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1600 (desired size 3286x1080) [12:32] I think it already thinks the monitor is in use. [12:32] Yeah, I thought that might happen. [12:32] No, when X started it allocated enough memory for only a specific size. [12:32] Give me a second. [12:32] Sure thing. [12:32] In my System Settings HDMI-0 is disabled... [12:33] Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? [12:34] Probably? [12:34] Linux Newb, remember :\? [12:34] Run 'ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf' :-) [12:35] There's some files in it. [12:35] someone go to cssc.asn.au and tell me what you see. [12:35] Well yeah, it's there I mean. [12:36] Can you pastebin the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? You can open it from a terminal with mousepad (if you have/use xfce4) or kate (for KDE4), and then copy and paste the file at pastebin.com. [12:36] Zordrak: what's that about zimbra sucking? :) [12:36] heh [12:36] hey at least i dont have to make Horde my primary mail server :) [12:36] adamk: How would I open it in Kate? [12:37] Just by running 'kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf' in a terminal. [12:37] You know, this seems so complicated but in the end it all makes such simple sense. [12:38] guys, can you please test my dns records, what do you see at http://cssc.asn.au [12:38] fucked up dns [12:38] adamk: http://pastebin.com/d2b6e9b0f [12:38] mancha: thanks :D [12:38] Wurm, This is on Slackware 13? [12:38] Yes. [12:39] Yeah, that file is more complicated than it needs to be, I think. [12:39] is it supposed to resolve to 130.95.13.39 ? [12:39] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-swkdesgftlelpwfu) left irc: [12:40] adamk: Any ideas =\? [12:40] mancha: yes. [12:40] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:40] Yeah, hold on a second. [12:41] ok, so that;s fine, now you just need to have a machine at that IP [12:41] mancha: that's deep [12:41] ;P [12:41] mancha: if you http://130.95.13.39 it works [12:42] no it doesn't spook [12:42] :) [12:42] Wurm, You should copy your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file somewhere as a backup, just in case. Then grab this version and move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [12:42] maybe i should give it more than 30minutes to propogate [12:42] spook, not from this side of the ocean [12:42] OOOOOOH [12:42] right right. my bad its limited to localtraffic only. [12:42] Wurm, You'll need to do that as your root user, because your normal user can't write to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [12:42] hur. [12:42] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:42] Action: godling smells the burning hair smell of enlightenment [12:42] freesbie (n=freesbie@p54BEBE56.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] adamk: WHen my friend installed this he backed it up. 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[12:57] the CEO's P.A. has starthed using vacation for the evening..... setting ant Out of Office message saying "im out of the office until 8:30am tomorrow" [12:57] ;P [12:57] ah, i found the source of my suspend to disk/ram [12:58] this process hangs: /bin/sh /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/99video resume suspend [12:58] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [12:58] and if i kill it, i can suspend more than once, but each time i resume, i have to kill that process again [12:58] Zordrak: Does that mean the CEO is out of the office? [12:58] suspending more than once? say what? [12:59] no.. she is [12:59] yes, after booting the laptop, i can suspend to ram or disk fine the first time. then after I resume, that process is hung and i have to kill it in order to suspend to ram or disk again [12:59] Zordrak: Is the only way to contact your CEO via her PA? [13:00] no.. and the CEOs a man [13:00] godling: i think youre missing the point [13:00] but it resumes fine, just with a renegade process? [13:00] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:00] correct [13:00] and i am unable to suspend again until i kill that process [13:00] interesting [13:00] Zordrak: I could be. [13:00] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) left irc: "Work is a four-letter word." [13:01] If the point is not that your CEO's PA is out of the office. [13:01] now i just need to figure out why its hanging [13:02] dunno, do the quirk dance [13:02] heh [13:02] Is that anything like the angle dance? [13:08] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-242-223-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [13:09] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:10] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] psyl0n (n=_@nat/ibm.br/x-kqlcjjdzmnnykyoi) joined ##slackware. [13:14] What's an angle dance? 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[13:58] haters about to rise? lol [14:00] zaccour (n=robert@97.89.53.49) left irc: "Leaving" [14:00] zaccour, you at least know where to get decent tech support, so you're a brighter bulb than your brethren [14:00] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:02] lowkyalur (n=low@82.82.67.255) joined ##slackware. [14:03] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65210f4.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:03] about my issue making xconfig... the extras fixed it, they just needed an update - which a reboot provided accidentially [14:03] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [14:03] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:04] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:06] someone wanna play World of padman??!!!ç [14:06] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [14:08] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:09] <|alisonken1churc> if I was going to be able to stay awak, I might. Since I have the night shift and an early night tonight, looks like I'll have to pass. But thanks for asking. [14:10] uh oh, I got mutt working, but I just messed up my ~/.Maildir with it. :/ [14:10] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Ugh, this isn't good. mutt moved ALL my imap mail to ~/Maildir/mbox Is there anyway I can get it all moved back into how it was before? [14:11] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) joined ##slackware. [14:12] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [14:12] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:13] hello, and which is the package to run tftpd server? [14:13] Benjsh__ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Hi [14:13] by default, google shows up many options [14:14] if I patch a driver in the /usr/src/linux what is best way to rebuild it [14:14] or must i rebuild whole kernel [14:14] kannan: tftp-hpa-* [14:14] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: [14:15] kannan: tftpd is run from inetd. [14:15] BP{ka}, thats what i thought , but is says , on installation, it is a tftp client? [14:16] well it containts both. /usr/bin/tftp is the client. and it contains /usr/sbin/in.tftpd as the server. [14:16] ok , i will try do it , there is a howto in linuxquestions.org [14:16] usr_loca1 (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:18] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.62.250) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [14:19] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[14:48] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [14:50] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: Client Quit [14:51] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [14:51] rob0, i just heard your name on the police scanner. what did you do ? [14:52] jeev :D [14:52] jeev: He stole a car, he's on the news atm, don't you see him? :P [14:52] back [14:52] (back [14:52] ok [14:52] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:52] sorry guys... :) [14:53] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: Client Quit [14:53] heh [14:53] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] hrad_ (i=5ef1513c@gateway/web/freenode/x-pqudfdthzalkwznr) joined ##slackware. [14:54] _bruno_ (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [14:54] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] _bruno_ (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:55] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [14:56] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:56] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:56] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:57] why at the boot time my 2 ethernet adapters are bound to eth0 and eth1 and then there is a message: udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth2 [14:58] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:58] there's somethinbg persisting linked to eth0 [14:59] so it's thinking, this slot's already spoken for by other hardware [15:00] go to your udev persistent rules and remove the thing taking up eth0, did you change your nic or spoof a mac? [15:01] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:02] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [15:02] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [15:02] interesting...it happened right after I connected 2 additional coolers and the udev message goes right after ACPI: fan registered and started :) [15:03] that should not happen, a cooler should not displace a nic [15:04] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [15:04] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [15:04] unless it is sensitive to pci device ids or summit [15:04] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [15:04] yes, but it seems obvious...since I installed it there were like 5 boots with eth0, then I connected the coolers and this happened [15:04] and the coolers changed that [15:07] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:08] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [15:11] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) joined ##slackware. [15:12] hello, slack-guys [15:12] Nick change: DirtyHarry -> DHarry [15:12] Hi, does anyone know how to set up firefox to play x-ms-asf videos? I've just installed slackware 13 [15:13] zeether101: hello, have you installed slack 13 from dvd or from hard disk? [15:13] thats streaming vid which mplayer can handle [15:13] just get the right codec [15:14] I installed from dvd [15:15] have you got something better on slack 13 than slack 12.2 so far? [15:15] zeether101: have you got something better on slack 13 than slack 12.2 so far? [15:15] I'm not sure what you mean [15:15] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) joined ##slackware. [15:15] but I have not used slackware before now [15:15] zeether101: is slack 13 better than slackware 12.2? [15:16] Linux-IRC: start installing and using Slackware 13.0 instead of asking how it is [15:16] Yes it is better [15:16] zeether101: oh ,you didn't use slackware before? [15:16] CcSsNET (n=user@c-71-232-196-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:16] mancha: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/mplayer-codecs/ would this suffice? [15:16] alphad64_ (n=alphad64@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [15:16] zeether that looks promising [15:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.160.29) joined ##slackware. [15:17] i installed it from mplayers sitectly, if it is windows-all or whatever on the build it should be good [15:17] *site directly [15:17] alienBOB: hello , mr BOB downloading slackware 13, it will take time to download over 3.4gb. [15:18] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-biawlduoohqdmdat) joined ##slackware. [15:18] You can always buy the DVD Linux-IRC and let the postman deliver it [15:18] so buy the dvd then it'll only take delivery time via postal mail [15:18] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [15:18] hah [15:18] Hahaha [15:18] haha [15:18] the dvd is 3.6G, that's not much over 3.4 [15:19] alienBOB: hello, bob ,how can i buy ? i have no credit card. [15:20] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Ask someone who has a credit card [15:20] maybe they accept money orders? [15:20] alienBOB: so buy it for me. [15:20] lol :) [15:20] Linux-IRC: if you lived near me, I could [15:21] alienBOB: where are you from? [15:21] hmm that package doesn't seem to have worked [15:21] That is for you to find out [15:21] for playing the video [15:21] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] zeether, are you certain? is mplayer getting called for the vid? [15:22] alienBOB: ok, i will find out , you have credit card , and buy it for me. [15:22] Linux-IRC: here's a clue. he lives somewhere in the "Virgo Supercluster" [15:22] mancha: it's asking to install the missing plugins [15:22] zeether101: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/mplayer-codecs/ only has a build script, not the actual package containing the codecs (not sure if you knew this) [15:22] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Linux-IRC: now, another issue is the fact that I do not know you [15:22] Firefox would also need to be set to use mplayer. [15:22] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] like mplayerplug-in or something [15:23] alienBOB: ? I downloaded the source package as well, not sure if that's what you mean [15:23] did you run the script and then installpkg the tgz/txz/tblahz? [15:23] OK good. Some firsttime SLackware users need more handholding than you apparently [15:23] iphigenie (n=iphigeni@94-168-204-75.cable.ubr18.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving." [15:23] mancha: yes [15:23] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-205.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] and mplayer is set as the right helper app? [15:24] BP{k}: i think , you know that i did not want any clue from you. however thank you for giving clue , mr cluemaster, [15:24] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl7-61.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:24] greetings Lord_Khelben [15:24] hello everyone [15:24] now that I'm not sure of [15:24] hello fire|bird :) [15:24] Lord_Khelben: How's it going? [15:24] ff needs to know to use mplayer for that mime type [15:24] slack asses want to give unnecessary clue. [15:25] fire|bird: nice. i just compiled kde 4.3.68svn and i am testing it now [15:25] though one doesn't want clue [15:25] BP{k} is now known as BP{k}cluemaster ;) [15:25] Lord_Khelben: awesome [15:25] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:25] chopp: and the rest of us are slack asses apparently. :/ [15:25] mancha: how can I set that [15:26] fire|bird: indeed [15:26] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [15:26] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [15:26] fire|bird: its very beautiful and at last ksnapshot shortcut works out of the box :P (the new add widget wizard doesn't though) [15:26] Lord_Khelben: Has much changed from 4.3.1 do you know? [15:27] fire|bird: nepomuk works out of the box (it didn't work in 4.2.4/4.3.0/4.3.1) not that i care though. there is a new plasma for netbooks [15:27] awesome, sounds like something worth building. [15:27] can anyone give any clue how to install firefox 3.5.3 on slackware 12.2. it's necessary clue , not unnecessary,let's see who is the cluemaster? [15:27] which is very ugly and unuseable but i guess it is very nice for small screens like netbooks [15:28] Linux-IRC: Why don't you go google and figure it out yourself. [15:28] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-205.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Linux-IRC: firefox (for 32bit) is just a repackage of the official package [15:28] Lord_Khelben: maybe it will get more polishing before release. [15:28] so you can download the slackware 13.0 firefox package and upgradepkg that [15:28] but ONLY for firefox [15:28] never mix packages [15:29] Linux-IRC: I kind of react ferociously to trolling [15:29] fire|bird: it has many nice additions and i haven't noticed any major problems yet [15:30] fire|bird: ah the plugable device notification thing is now on the system tray instead of being a plasmoid [15:30] i forgot to mention that [15:30] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-biawlduoohqdmdat) left irc: "Page closed" [15:30] Lord_Khelben: cool, I might have to go build it. [15:30] hmmm, Porto is dangerous, tastes too good while being quite strong :) [15:30] Action: Camarade_Tux dips fire|bird in a pool full of porto [15:30] :O [15:31] Does anyone know how to get firefox to play x-ms-asf type videos [15:31] Action: fire|bird starts singing "tiny bubbles" [15:32] zeether101: download a plugin for firefox either for xine or mplayer [15:32] I always have the best luck with gecko-mediaplayer [15:32] porto, porto, porto :) [15:32] zeether101: if you are running 13.0 there is a plugin using mplayer in extra/ [15:32] fire|bird: it's a beautiful death ;) [15:33] Ah, gecko-mediaplayer isn't on SBo for 13.0, yet anyway. [15:33] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@113.11.36.147) left ##slackware. [15:33] get the one for 12.2 [15:34] Lord_Khelben: yup, going to do so right now. :) [15:36] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] fire|bird: the only thing i didn't like, is in order for you to get the most out of new things you must always mv .kde .kde.orig and start from scratch :( [15:36] which is annoying [15:37] yeah, I know, that is sort of a pain. [15:37] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [15:38] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [15:38] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [15:38] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:40] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [15:40] Lord_Khelben: I don't know if you've noticed this (or experienced this) but if dolphin seems a bit slow at loading, disabling the info pane on the right helps quite a bit. [15:41] PiterPun1 (i=3354@64.57.102.36) joined ##slackware. [15:41] it takes much space so the first thing i do is to disable it [15:41] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [15:41] haha, ok. :) [15:42] actually the second thing. the first is to disable multiple directories view because it writes a .directory file in every folder i browse [15:42] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93.103.100.192) joined ##slackware. [15:42] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] I've pretty much configured dolphin to be minimalist. [15:42] Can anyone recommend a testing framework for web applications? [15:42] i have a dhcp runng + tftp, if i start tftp by uncomment the tftp line in /etc/inted.conf, then it doesnt show up in a ps -aux grep. but tftp localhist gives the prompt. if i type tftp> get /etc/hosts , the filename shows up in the present working dir, but no contents [15:42] I've run into a few things with canoo webtest that make it seem fragile. [15:42] dolphin was supposed to replace konqueror, but konqueror retains it file browsing capabalities and dolphin hasn't seen much development for much time. [15:42] kannan: that is because inetd listens at the tftp port [15:42] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93.103.100.192) left irc: Client Quit [15:42] Lord_Khelben: After I extracted the package and did chmod on the doinst.sh and trying to run it, it's saying mv: cannot stat `etc/mplayerplug-in.conf.new': No such file or directory for both that file and etc/mplayerplug-in.types.new [15:43] And it will start tftp daemon only if needed [15:43] Lord_Khelben: yeah, konqueror still works very nice for file management. [15:43] zeether101: why did you do that ? you shouldn't extract it and run doinst.sh [15:43] when you do installpkg (or upgradepkg) IT will run doinst.sh for you [15:43] zeether101: use "installpkg" [15:43] it is a internal thing [15:44] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [15:44] oh ok, so its working alright so far then , i can try and use the server? is there any way to manually start and stop the tftp daemon, so i can put in rc.local or something; i will like to test it first [15:44] Lord_Khelben: oh, sorry I was not familiar with txz format, thanks [15:44] alienBOB: see I still need hand-holding ^^ thanks [15:45] zeether101: don't apologise. everyone makes mistakes (except chuck norris). don't worry about the txz archiving format [15:45] its still a slackware package. treat it like it was tgz [15:45] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:45] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [15:46] lf4 (n=lf4@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [15:46] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [15:46] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [15:46] Lord_Khelben: thanks, the plugin is working, though momentarily with the inability to change the volume [15:46] how to test if the tftp working OK? [15:47] from command line? [15:47] kannan: run the tfp client [15:47] tftp even [15:48] Lord_Khelben , i did , it gave the tftp > prompt [15:48] but i cant get or put anything [15:48] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:48] the file is blank or says no such file [15:48] lns40 (n=snL20@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [15:48] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.7.233) left irc: "leaving" [15:49] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] lns40 (n=snL20@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [15:49] samuelig (n=samuelig@73.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:49] argh. 13 is a nice number. anybody could give me a hand with ati 9.3 display drivers? [15:50] lowkyalur: let me know if you figure that out [15:50] kannan: /etc/hosts will not be in the tftp daemon,s reach [15:51] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [15:51] alienBOB, ok , i will try some other path then [15:51] feinoM: lol super. [15:51] What is the tftp line in /etc/inetd.conf like kannan? [15:52] wertik_msk (i=500@89-178-152-160.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [15:52] Action: lowkyalur unsheets vim and gets live on some scripts. [15:52] If it has "-s /tftpboot" that means the tftp server will only serve files that are located below /tftpboot [15:52] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [15:52] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [15:53] it has a -s [15:53] in standalone mode i tried it, it works fine. i either get the file or "error cod 0: permission denied" for the reason alienBOB explained [15:53] ok [15:53] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:54] kannan: check out an example: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe [15:54] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: Client Quit [15:55] alienBOB, many thanks [15:56] alienBOB, i commented out in inetd.conf, and start it like -> /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -l -u root -c /tftpboot [15:57] i wrote a simple text file in /tftpboot and get worked with zero output, (get /tftpboot/test.txt test1.txt) [15:58] but the new file test1.txt is blank [16:00] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) left irc: "Leaving." [16:00] kannan: leave off the /tftpboot prefix [16:01] Since the tftp daemon uses that to 'chroot' into, your remote file would be /test.txt , not /tftpboot/test.txt [16:01] aah , ok [16:01] i will try now [16:01] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:01] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [16:04] alienBOB, works great now [16:04] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [16:04] thanks [16:04] usr_loca1 (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:04] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:06] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. 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[16:23] or how'd you get 4.3.68 [16:23] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:23] Nick change: gnoel_ -> gnoel [16:24] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] fire|bird: i got 4.3.67 and compiled it but i couldn't add widgets so i svn'ed the latest revision which is 4.3.68 [16:24] but it wasn't the 4.3.67's problem. it is a more general [16:25] you can get the 4.3.67 if you want [16:25] Lord_Khelben: Ah, ok. :P [16:25] bhanson (i=bhanson@66.111.62.177) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:25] fire|bird: you can add widgets only from teh panel menu not with right click [16:26] Hmm, that's an odd issue. [16:26] there is a new and more beautiful widget manager and i guess they haven't hooked it in all places yet [16:26] yeah, I'll pull svn, I like the latest and greatest. :P [16:27] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] at first i compiled only 4.3.67 but after that i compiled everything. phonon,soprano,strigi,akonadi,kde* and qt-copy [16:27] is there some convenient way of obtaining perl modules that actually works with slackwares package logs? [16:27] Hey macavity [16:27] i am apparently missing Archive/Zip.pm [16:27] and i am *such* a perl noob [16:27] i have always used cpan when i needed modules [16:28] and honnestly, i wouldn't mind if it stayed that way [16:28] macavity: I don't think there is, unless you found that module and packaged it up somehow. [16:28] eww [16:28] macavity: lol. Worked on go-oo any more? [16:28] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] fire|bird: that is where it bombed out yesterday [16:29] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:29] macavity: Ah, ok. Good luck with it. :P [16:29] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Lord_Khelben: svn pulling kde now. \o/ [16:29] fire|bird: nice :) [16:30] my clock is terrible, the damn thing can not keep time, good thing ntp can fix it everyday ;p [16:30] it took something less than 2 hours for kde and something more than 3 hours for whole build with qt. qt took a while [16:30] macavity: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/Archive-Zip/ <---perl module [16:30] righ! [16:31] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [16:31] i just found out that the make error about "Archive/Zip.pm" was wrong.. apparently it is Archive::Zip [16:31] macavity: that's archive zip, so you could build that, thus making a package, this can be tracked with /var/log/packages :P [16:31] yeah, same thing though [16:31] roger [16:31] It also needs Compress::Zip from SBo [16:31] >_> [16:31] whoops, Compress-Zlib [16:31] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:31] greetings NyteOwl, how are you? [16:32] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [16:32] hi fire|bird. damp - raining here [16:32] no matches found in sbopkg [16:32] it decided to start while I was out putting garbage in the compost bin [16:32] for compress-zlib [16:33] ill do it later.. [16:33] macavity: you need to use the capitals, Compress-Zlib [16:33] Hmm, wait. Compress-Zlib isn't in 13 yet [16:33] according to slackbuilds.org [16:34] nope, that's not on there yet. Uh oh. :P [16:34] heh, it's not on 12.2 either, maybe it has a different name. [16:35] ok [16:35] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Connection timed out [16:36] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:36] macavity: I can't imagine that if they have one on there, they wouldn't have the dep for it. On 12.2 both should for sure be there. [16:36] so, it must have a different name or something [16:37] fire|bird: /usr/lib64/perl/5.10.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/Compress/Zlib.pm [16:38] it must be included already with perl [16:38] Lord_Khelben: Ah, it's already there. Well, if that's the case, it shouldn't be listed on SBo as being on SBo. [16:38] Requires Compress-Zlib also available at SlackBuilds.org [16:38] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: [16:39] Administrator_ (n=chatzill@ool-18bc21f2.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Lord_Khelben: I don't have it here, sure you didn't install it yourself? :P [16:40] I'm on 32bit [16:40] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:40] i don't remember dealing with perl for a long time [16:40] XtoTheZ (n=xx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] let me grep /var/log/packages/ [16:40] Hmm, wait a second, I may have tab completed to the wrong folder. [16:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] can someone help me with adding slack to grub2 [16:41] Nick change: Administrator_ -> seventh [16:42] Nick change: seventh -> Guest19153 [16:42] Lord_Khelben: Ah yes, I have that too, I just tab completed wrong. [16:43] XtoTheZ: you have another distro which installed grub and you want to add slackware to it ? [16:43] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left ##slackware. [16:43] Nick change: Guest19153 -> sassa [16:44] Lord_Khelben: yes, i am using ubuntu, now i also instaled slack and need to add it to boot menu [16:45] XtoTheZ: which partition is the one that slack uses ? which version of slack did you install ? did you use the huge kernel or the generic and you build a initrd ? [16:45] it's on /dev/sda6, 13.0, huge [16:46] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [16:47] who is this acidtripper guy? [16:48] that would be (hd0,5) in grub? [16:48] acidchild: your evil twin? :P [16:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:49] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:49] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.164.146) left irc: Client Quit [16:49] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [16:49] right. [16:49] XtoTheZ: sorry for the delay. i was doing something. try this http://pastebin.com/dfc7e0c0 [16:49] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [16:50] i haven't used grub for long time, but it should work [16:50] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Lord_Khelben: ok, will try tnx [16:51] that looks correct Lord_Khelben [16:51] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [16:51] XtoTheZ: since you are using the huge kernel you don't need initrd, but ubuntu has some splashscreens and stuff so it may have more options than my example [16:52] XtoTheZ: you are using the 32bit slackware, right ? [16:52] Lord_Khelben: no, 64 [16:52] then the kernel's name will be just huge not huge-smp [16:52] Pig_Pen: thank you for looking it [16:53] Lord_Khelben: yes i noticed that [16:53] i forgot to mention that the lines in the pastebin should go in /boot/grub/menu.lst [16:54] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] you will see some lines that say automatic debian kernels or something like that. add it when these lines end [16:54] (i assume ubuntu uses the debian grub stuff) [16:54] PuroOsso (n=PuroOsso@189.74.141.10) left irc: [16:55] hobin (n=holger@94.125.216.34) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Lord_Khelben: take a look of my grub.cfg, did u gave me instructions for old grub or grub2? http://pastebin.com/d3905072 [16:56] my conf was for grub legacy not for grub2 [16:56] is it bad that I waited for a power failure before getting around to upgrading my -current box to 13.0? [16:56] Urchlay: geek karma [16:56] psyl0n (n=_@nat/ibm.br/x-kqlcjjdzmnnykyoi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [16:57] Hey gadgets|sited [16:57] umm, Urchlay [16:57] Lord_Khelben: can u write it for grub2?:) [16:57] hey, incorrigible|trenches [16:57] XtoTheZ: are you sure that slack uses /dev/sda6 ? this conf you pasted mentions root=(hd0,5) for the ubuntu [16:57] you need to get the UUID of the slackware partition if ubuntu requires that info to boot [16:58] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207160135.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:58] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Urchlay: haha, that was a good one. [16:58] Lord_Khelben: yes, i am sure [16:59] theres a command to run that will give you the UUID number [16:59] hey, why shouldnt /home be mode +t? [16:59] fire|bird: yah, every once in a while it almost seems like it's being clever [16:59] Pig_Pen: do u maybe know whichone [16:59] Quiznos: is this a pop quiz? :) [16:59] uuidgen [16:59] Urchlay nop [17:00] is there a reason not to +t /home? [17:00] can't think of a reason right now [17:00] cool, Skein made it to round 2 in the SHA3 competition [17:00] blkid i got it [17:00] is there a reason to +t it ? [17:00] neither can i [17:00] try it, see what (if any) bad effects you get? [17:00] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Connection timed out [17:00] Lord_Khelben same reason that /tmp is +t, to promote ownership? [17:00] Pig_Pen: /dev/sda6: UUID="cba5dc03-763f-458e-8665-be4084445a0f" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" [17:01] hey, it's weird that after installation there is no Desktop folder in "places" ...and one has to create one [17:01] which may cause problems [17:01] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] hrad_: That's how it is. What problems would it cause? [17:01] Quiznos: what good would that do ? users could make dirs in /home. will it add anything else ? [17:02] XtoTheZ: you can use that info for a stanza to boot slackware if needed paste that UUID="cba5dc03-763f-458e-8665-be4084445a0f" in to a text file and save it just in case you need it [17:02] from what i see in /tmp, i dont think so [17:02] Nick change: nannes -> h4x0r [17:02] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-205.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] Nick change: h4x0r -> nannes [17:02] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.30.203) joined ##slackware. [17:03] Quiznos: when you say /home, you mean literally /home or /home/user ? [17:03] both [17:04] after I created one and pointed the desktop to it in folder view settings, the Desktop folder itself remained empty but on the desktop there was home directory and trash...but if I click the home directory, there is an error: the desktop entry file /home/user/Desktop/Home.desktop has no type=...etry. [17:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:04] XtoTheZ: http://pastebin.com/d20b57065 [17:04] theres an echo in here [17:04] i can't say if it will work or not [17:04] a stutter [17:05] Quiznos: /home shouldn't be +t because normally you don't want people creating new directories in /home, at least as an admin i wouldn't want, so there's no point in +t if it's root who's creating all the directories there, which usually it is [17:05] hrad_: You created a Home.desktop file? [17:05] rg3 ok ty [17:05] rg3 this is a pvt home box. [17:05] no, it should have been created after pointing to it I guess [17:05] sassa (n=chatzill@ool-18bc21f2.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]" [17:06] Quiznos: and /home/user doesn't need +t either because you don't want people creating directories in your home directory, only yourself, and as you have write permissions the files are going to be owned by you already, so there's no point either [17:06] ok [17:06] hrad_: I had to do that on my laptop, create a Desktop folder, I didn't have any issue like you're having. [17:06] Lord_Khelben: ok, i am going to reboot, thanks for now [17:06] XtoTheZ (n=xx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] Quiznos: and if you want to give someone permissions to create stuff in your home dir, you want to be able to delete that, for sure [17:06] rg3 k [17:06] Quiznos: as for deleting with +t in /home, root will do that and +t will not prevent it [17:07] yea; i am both user and root [17:07] a verbose way of saying that +t in /home or /home/user doesn't make any sense in most cases :P [17:07] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.19.24) joined ##slackware. [17:07] nods [17:07] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] hello happy slackers [17:08] users already can write anything below their homes. so what good use would +t have. only that users would be able to create dirs in /home [17:08] hello slacky hackers [17:08] Hello LnxSlck, how's it going? [17:08] how can i modify the sizes of the icons on the desktop in KDE4? [17:09] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] fire|bird, nice and you? [17:09] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.62.250) left irc: "Leaving." [17:09] LnxSlck: doing great, thanks. [17:10] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: "leaving" [17:10] the only thing that _really_ belongs to the user is ~/ [17:10] LnxSlck: How's exaile going? [17:10] fire|bird, nice.. i've updated to the last version.. not so many options as the older one [17:10] fire|bird, but it's ok [17:10] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [17:10] LnxSlck: really, they took options out? [17:10] Pig_Pen ok but here, ~user has little more powah. :) [17:11] well; i'm rarely ~user, i do 90% of stuff as root :) [17:11] fire|bird, yes.. and i take that back.. exaile is crashing upon startup [17:11] loool [17:11] haha [17:11] Pig_Pen: the whole computer belongs to the user. me. [17:12] it is for productive work enviroments. it crashes so you can't listen to music and go back to work :P [17:12] LnxSlck: Well, I have it installed here now with no issues. I'm using 0.3.0 [17:12] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:12] fire|bird, The program 'exaile.py' received an X Window System error. [17:12] crap [17:12] lol [17:12] Lord_Khelben: hahaha [17:13] yeah, but this is your personal PC, Linux is a multi-user system, so if you were just an admin in an office full of Linux boxes you would not want to do that [17:13] Pig_Pen to me? [17:13] Lord_Khelben, this is my home pc [17:13] everybody [17:13] ok [17:13] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Client Quit [17:13] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [17:13] LnxSlck: ah this changes things [17:14] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Lord_Khelben, of course it does [17:14] doesn't it provide any more insightful error message than "x window error" ? [17:15] Lord_Khelben, The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'. [17:15] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Lord_Khelben, i believe this is the problem: (exaile.py:3562): libglade-WARNING **: unknown property `orientation' for class `GtkVBox' [17:15] LnxSlck: you and exaile are a "BadMatch" :P [17:15] hehe fire|bird [17:15] fire|bird, yeah. got to wait for new amarok to hit slackware [17:16] LnxSlck: just build 2.1.80 :P [17:16] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Client Quit [17:16] I get bad matches every once in a while, it's better to use a bic lighter for that reason :) [17:16] these x window badmatch errors are common. usually they aren't the problem [17:16] haha [17:16] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [17:16] lol [17:16] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [17:17] hey, is there ever any downside to adding "compact" to lilo.conf? [17:17] (I know it's supposed to speed up booting, but are there any circumstances where it breaks booting instead?) [17:17] i am not 100% certain but i think not [17:17] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:17] Lord_Khelben, i'll try build it from source [17:18] it reads more sectors (something like the hard disk mult-sector reads in bios) [17:18] right [17:18] Urchlay: I have that added. Haven't had any issues. [17:19] I get paranoid about changing stuff in lilo.conf ever since my dvd drive got flaky (hard to get it to cooperate if I need to boot from it) [17:19] firedix (n=firedix@host107.201-252-141.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:20] I had made a USB boot stick, but after not using it for a year, I lost it, then found it again & formatted it for regular file storage use... [17:20] lol [17:21] i used to have a grub boot disk for boot problems but now i have a 32/64bit usb slackware install flash disk [17:21] so i can use that in case of booting problems [17:21] Urchlay be grubby [17:21] yo fire|bird [17:21] timahvo12 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Client Quit [17:21] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:21] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:21] lilo isnt flexible enuf [17:21] hey deco [17:21] Quiznos: I don't need lilo to be flexible on this machine, just need it to work (which it generally does) [17:21] k [17:21] maybe grub2 is good. grub1 isn't [17:22] lilo is stupid enough to work everywhere [17:22] Urchlay i've been grubified (double ified?) and i cant go back [17:22] fire|bird: are you building anything new ? :P [17:22] on one PC there is only one OS (slack) and i removed prompt and timeout from lilo so it boots directly without the boot menu [17:22] I only boot the thing once every few months (used to be once a year or less, before the UPS batteries died) [17:22] Quiznos: well isn't that grubiful. :D [17:23] nods [17:23] deco: Soon will be, kde .4.3.68 (svn) :D [17:23] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.52) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:23] fire|bird: bleeding edge :P [17:23] yup [17:23] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.69.191) joined ##slackware. [17:23] i must build 4.3.69 by then to stay ahead of fire|bird :P [17:23] It's down to kdelibs (svn pull) [17:23] fire|bird, back to exaile 0.2.. that's the only one that works [17:23] i already gave up on KDE-4.x i might try it again next year when slackware-13.1 or 14 gets released [17:24] LnxSlck: alright, good luck. :D [17:24] god, 14? [17:24] Lord_Khelben: go go go! :D [17:24] Lord_Khelben: haha, yeah, it has to come out first. It takes about 5-6 hours to build kde here. [17:24] Pig_Pen: i used to hate it, but from 4.2.4 it is good (and 4.3.0 was even better than 4.2.4) [17:24] i dont hate kde-4, it hates me [17:24] Lord_Khelben: You've discovered the mouseover abilities of the Folder view on the desktop? [17:24] hey fire|bird [17:24] hi Reticenti [17:25] fire|bird: slackware team's kde slackbuilds are great work. one can even set them on cron to build kde svn over night :P [17:25] Pig_Pen: yeah, sorry, I programed your kde that way. :P [17:25] for revenge i built dwm and wmii [17:25] Anyone gotten their 13.0 disks in the mail yet? [17:25] fire|bird: i wouldn't notice that mouse-over in 1000 years if you hadn't told me [17:25] Lord_Khelben: yeah, that's the scripts I use too. For 64bit, vbatts has 4.3.1 packages. I have those on the laptop. :P [17:25] it is very nice [17:25] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui embora" [17:25] fire|bird: are you a slackbuild scripter? [17:26] Lord_Khelben: yeah, really nice, subtle feature. [17:26] Reticenti: I know how to make slackbuilds, yeah. I don't know everything, but I know the basics sort if. [17:26] i am sort of liking wmii better, i like the clock in the corner, but dwm does have better mouse & keyboard control (imo) [17:26] ah [17:26] these are tiling wms ? [17:26] s/if/of/ [17:26] yeah [17:27] dynamic, they can tile, or float depending on what you want [17:27] i tried some of them. they are very nice, but too minimal [17:27] if i devoted time to learn the keyboard shortcuts, i would have liked them. i like the "do everything with keyboard" thought [17:28] Lord_Khelben: http://imagebin.org/63353 (currently looks like this) [17:28] of course until the new release of my love (windowmaker) is out (if there is a release ever) [17:28] i did build qt338 & kde3.5.10 and prefix=/usr/local on them to keep it out of the way [17:29] fire|bird: beautiful screenshot [17:29] i have pretty much the same setup, but with a different weather plasmoid (i hate this one. it is ugly) and a greek tv program plasmoid [17:30] fire|bird, that weather widget is from kde? [17:30] LnxSlck: yeah, KDE has two now [17:30] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:30] fire|bird, how did you upgrade your kde to kde 3.4 ? [17:30] i mean 4.3 [17:31] and both of them are butt ugly :P thank god for kdelook.org [17:31] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "caindo fora!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" [17:31] he said "Let there be SLACKBUILDS!" .. and so it was done. [17:31] LnxSlck: I built 4.3.0 on the desktop by getting the source and using slackware's slackbuilds (with a few changes). The slackbuilds automatically install the new packages. [17:31] quasar: haha [17:31] test34_ (n=test34@c-69-244-245-20.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Lord_Khelben: which kde-look one do you use, there's a few of them? [17:31] mesi (i=1000@200.52.177.190) joined ##slackware. [17:32] i think i use yawp now. i tried two. the first was more beautiful but had many problems so i moved to the second [17:32] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:32] yet another weather plasmoid. :P [17:33] fire|bird, why not 4.3.1 ? [17:33] superGear: I just hadn't built that on the Desktop yet. I have 4.3.1 on the laptop [17:33] share txz [17:33] what desktop are u using fire? [17:33] or .Slackbuilds [17:33] after 6 months using kde and after much swearing "wtf is this hourglass.did i mess something ?" etc. i learnt what it is for :P it means "plasmoids i used before" [17:34] Lord_Khelben: haha [17:34] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [17:34] superGear: vbatts has txzs available for 64 [17:34] i use 32 :/ [17:34] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-17-77.multimo.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:34] quasar: He had started on 32 bit packages, but he's been busy with work, etc. [17:34] slackbuilds are available too [17:35] superGear: you can take the slackbuilds from slackware and use them to build 4.3.1 [17:35] svn pull is down to kdeartwork. \o/ [17:35] fire|bird: figured he would do them, saw that he already had soprano/etc done x32 [17:35] quasar: yeah [17:35] i think there is a new package in 4.3.1 (kdelibs-experimental) everything else is the same if i remember correctly [17:35] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Lord_Khelben: yup [17:35] mesi (i=1000@200.52.177.190) left irc: Client Quit [17:36] ah also icons are part of oxygen-icons now, not kdebase-runtime [17:36] yeah, they are on there own. [17:36] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:36] their [17:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Lord_Khelben: You'd almost think they'd be part of kdeartwork [17:36] hobin (n=holger@94.125.216.34) left irc: "Leaving" [17:37] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.52) joined ##slackware. [17:37] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:37] if i understood their thinking well, kdeartwork has optional stuff [17:37] brb [17:37] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [17:37] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.30.203) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:37] because icons/wallpapers/sounds/etc the system uses are part of kdebase-* [17:37] bryan[c1] (n=nam@c-24-5-10-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] and there more icons/walls/sounds in kdeartwork [17:38] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] hobin (n=holger@94.125.216.34) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Urchlay: wb [17:39] fire\bird [17:39] 179.141.200.24 Frank Gingras is an internet troll that likes to sit in support channels but instead of helping people, he starts shit and contradicts himself. [17:39] kde? [17:39] wtf is Frank Gingras? [17:39] Lord_Khelben: all the non-X stuff is upgraded, waiting on x and kde to finish... [17:39] and why should i care? [17:40] does the samba gui work ? first off it asked me to point it to smb.conf file and then it became shadowed and nothing can be done there [17:40] Urchlay: you are upgrading from 12.2 to 13.0 ? [17:40] jajaja yea whose that asshole? ja [17:40] whats wrong thumbs? [17:40] running away from your problems? [17:40] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207160135.chello.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] bryan whats your problem? [17:40] thumbs... [17:40] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:40] does the samba gui work ? first off it asked me to point it to smb.conf file and then it became shadowed and nothing can be done there [17:40] he needs a gline. [17:40] thumbs is a troll? [17:40] or some di..ck [17:40] jaja [17:40] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Lord_Khelben: no, from -current 64-bit (from around July) to 13.0 [17:40] fire|bird: what's something "fun" to comple/(bash) script/etc? I'm bored (take the "fun'"saracastically if you like) [17:41] thumbs thiniks he is in op [17:41] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [17:41] since when has thumbs been a troll? [17:41] but in reality he is just disrespectful and bitter because he has op power [17:41] but if you're the same way with him [17:41] um nevar [17:41] he pulls out the ban hammer [17:41] how to watch for connections , transfer etc in tftp server [17:41] so stop contradicitng yourself thumbs [17:41] bryan[c1]: wrong channel. Leave those folks alone. [17:42] kannan: tcpdump would work. Probably it's overkill though [17:42] bryan[c1] needs a ban [17:42] well you dont respond to my pms pussy [17:42] bryan[c1]: let thumbs worry about what he does and don't flood the channel please [17:42] bryan[c1]: calm down please [17:42] bryan[c1]: die & peave... any order will do fine [17:42] quasar: Hmm, I'm not sure, I'll see if I can think of something. [17:42] mupi (n=mupi@84.20.246.189) joined ##slackware. [17:42] wow he just sits there and disrespects because he can [17:42] you're all just defending him because you want op in these channels [17:42] it's pretty sad really [17:42] bryan whats your problem? [17:43] thumbs [17:43] Action: Zordrak laughl heartily [17:43] you donw like thumbs? [17:43] yes we all want ops [17:43] of course you do [17:43] Action: quasar doesn't [17:43] dont [17:43] Action: Zordrak is *not* used to IRCing with qwerty [17:43] no we all don't [17:43] why is this person still talking? [17:43] alienBOB, give us all ops [17:43] so stop talking about him [17:43] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] you dont like this channel? [17:43] connect to #ubuntu and stop bothering [17:43] thumbs doesnt even help people he just disrespects people and gets away with it because hes op [17:43] kannan: tftp still doesn't work ? [17:44] bah, nice to check this channel and read that ='( [17:44] and acidtripper you're fucking stupid [17:44] acidtripper: or #umbongo [17:44] you're just a bad troll [17:44] jaja you'r like a little kid [17:44] asshole [17:44] bryan[c1]: google troll [17:44] yeah who just typed jajaja? [17:44] fucking retard [17:44] bryan[c1]: wow. [17:44] ban is in order [17:44] becouse im spanish native speaker [17:44] bryan does not have long to live [17:44] BAN bryan [17:45] Pig_Pen: not in here anyway [17:45] put him out of our misery already... [17:45] go to ubuntu bryan [17:45] hmmm, unixporn.com [17:45] acidtripper: chill# [17:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:45] bryan[c1] kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Stick to that other channel where people think you are wonderful [17:45] Lord_Khelben, tftp is working fine, but Cisco Phone is not yet working with my asterisk [17:45] \o/ [17:45] if you dont like an op just go away [17:45] Action: quasar hugs slackboy [17:45] poor bryan :( [17:45] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Connection timed out [17:45] be funny if he pm'd slackboy [17:46] superGear: haha, he'll probably try to. [17:46] ah gone he is at last [17:46] \o/, svn pull is complete [17:46] I apologize, he joined all the channels I was in. [17:46] cool! the readme file in dwm shows how to put a clock in dwm's bar [17:46] that's not your fault [17:47] lets all join chans thumbs is in [17:47] the stalkee isn't at fault [17:47] superGear: please don't. [17:47] The fun stops here [17:47] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [17:48] slackware is the end of fun? :'( [17:49] how to set my contry? [17:49] night [17:49] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207160135.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl7-61.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "sleep time" [17:49] acidtripper: you mean the timezone? [17:49] nope [17:49] country on irc [17:49] acidtripper: ah, what client? [17:49] yeah [17:50] for others to see where im from [17:50] acidtripper: yes, what IRC client are you using? [17:50] xchat [17:50] mupi (n=mupi@84.20.246.189) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] oh, umm. [17:50] they can /dns your IP [17:50] his IP apparently doesn't resolve [17:50] $/country -s AR i thought but [17:51] you're in .ar ? [17:51] IRC doesn't really have a "country" field in its user info... you could make it part of your "real" name, if it's that important [17:51] yea [17:51] test34_ (n=test34@c-69-244-245-20.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "time to test nvidia" [17:52] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [17:52] ugh. I wish IRC netiquette involved the concept that clients shouldn't spam themselves in default /quit messags [17:53] Is there a way to disable CTCP replies? [17:53] yes [17:53] yup [17:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] blackorca: in which client? answer is probably Yes, but you don't really want to disable them all... [17:53] 'how' all depends on your client [17:53] I've got mine changed to something, I didn't disable it completely. :P [17:54] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-102-55.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:54] I was just thinking.. if an exploit it found, the time between when it's found and when pat releases a patch, basically lets anyone just come in here and pick almost anyone off using that client or whatever [17:54] in theory you can be banned from freenode for not responding to CTCP VERSION requests (and maybe CTCP CLIENTINFO as well) [17:54] i don't care if ppl ctcp me [17:54] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:54] black, yes, in theory, unpatched exploits are exploitable [17:55] Urchlay, xchat [17:55] sheesh! my clock is awful! i dont want ntpd running constantly but i just want it up activate once an hour and set the time, sleep h1 ? [17:55] thats why irc'ing as root is not too clever. [17:55] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:55] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] i'm ircing as root [17:55] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Action: superGear lies [17:56] I am.. if windows had a "root" user :p [17:56] every user is root in windows which is part of the problem [17:56] unless you create a user [17:57] not in vista and 7 [17:57] thought modern windows had stuff that could only be done while logged in as "administrator" [17:57] they're more of a super user [17:57] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.53.184.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:57] maybe modern windows has better acls/mcls [17:57] yup! i tell my brother that if he can install software in winXP without a root password then evil websites and crackers can too, he just stares at me with that "deer in the headlights" look on his face [17:58] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:58] half of the software in windows flat wont work if you are not administrator. [17:58] ugh [17:59] fud [17:59] Run as Administrator works [17:59] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] where can i find log file for the tftp server? [17:59] all the drivers have ring 0, how much driver source have you been able to audit on windows? [17:59] run a PC as admin/root long enough and your PC will be owned, it does not matter if it is BSD/LInux or windows [18:00] inman (n=aligp@p579B5142.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:00] If you want to be 100% secure, turn off your PC [18:01] then unplug it [18:01] if you want to be 100% secure, kill yourself [18:01] there's room between 0% and 100% though, why not try to be closer to100% than 0% super? [18:01] and encase it in 8 yards of concrete [18:01] because there's still social engineering [18:01] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.53.184.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:01] Reticenti: indeed there is, just don't be stupid enough to give out your info. :P [18:01] why would i want to be @ 0%? [18:02] fire|bird: there's also giving out info under duress, hence killing yourself is the best way to 100% protect data [18:02] kannan: The client should get an error. [18:02] i'm just saying.....feel free to do what you want, but my algorithm is like so: if secure(a)>secure(b) then a else b [18:02] So you use OpenBSD? [18:02] if I kill myself, my data's useless to me [18:02] yes i think openbsd is great [18:03] 2 exploits in who knows how many years, excellent track record [18:03] i anxiously await 4.6 [18:03] mancha: isnt openbsd less secure than linux? [18:03] openbsd is far more secure [18:03] Reticenti: he just said 2 exploits in several years, that would be MORE secure [18:03] how the heck do you measure "less secure" as a scalar quantity, when comparing anything as complex as operating systems? [18:04] hold on, let me find the thing i was reading about bsd being less secure.. [18:04] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [18:04] hi [18:04] hello [18:04] hola [18:04] hi'''' [18:04] why doesnt copy and paste always work? i have to hit it twice [18:04] bsd is too broad, theres fbsd, netbsd, openbsd and those are just the new wave of open ones [18:04] hi missyjane :) [18:04] rtm! [18:04] right [18:04] Darwin [18:04] huh? [18:04] missyjane, you have that problem on konsole? [18:04] and "linux" is way too broad too [18:05] LnxSlck, no, in kde [18:05] linux is just a kernel [18:05] and does anyone know about this? http://pastebin.com/m2cb3468c [18:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [18:05] superGear: I bet whatever article he's talking about is using "linux" to refer to the entire OS, even though it's wrong... [18:05] technically linux is just a kernel but when people speak of Linux they are referring to a complete distro [18:05] mancha: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9kdlx/i_am_a_convicted_hacker_ama/c0d4mwq [18:06] Urchlay: Ubuntu probably wrote it up. :P [18:06] GNU/Linux ! [18:06] missyjane, i have the same issue [18:06] LnxSlck: I do too [18:06] it's not scientific, and only anecdotal, but what about the issues he brings up? [18:06] LnxSlck, with copy and paste or with aim? [18:06] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] fire|bird: what, there's an actual guy named Ubuntu? Is that his first or last name? [18:06] anything really cool and exciting about KDE4 that I should know about? [18:06] Urchlay: I'm sure Mr. Shuttleworth is by now Mr. Ubuntu :P [18:06] Reticenti, i don't think anyone who knows their stuff will argue linux has a better track record than openbsd [18:06] Just noticed slack13 is out and I was thinking about giving it a try [18:06] (actually, wonder if anyone's lame enough to name their kid Ubuntu...) [18:06] missyjane, copy paste [18:07] grekkos: It as widgets [18:07] grekkos: the best part is when you stop using it and start using xfce :P [18:07] fire|bird, right [18:07] LnxSlck, ah, sucks [18:07] EgoX (i=Old_Scho@78.59.112.79) left irc: "Leaving" [18:07] mancha: ok, my bad, he didnt say it was worse, but he did say it was still not secure [18:07] Reticenti: heh, i probably wouldn't use XFce either way, i usually use flux on slack [18:07] no OS is totally secure [18:07] to be fair, it'd be lame to name your kid slackware, too... Maybe if you're really a fan, you could name your kid Patrick (just hope it's not a girl...) [18:08] patty\ [18:08] Patrica [18:08] Patrizio! [18:08] patzer [18:08] Patty O'Furniture :) [18:08] missyjane: If you are in a terminal window, you need to hold Shift and hit middle mouse button. [18:08] Patty [18:08] Reticenti: last pc or mac comment, the best. [18:08] hi jane [18:08] missyjane: or you can also pasate in terminal with ctrl-shift-v [18:09] paste* [18:09] there are many "clipboards" in linux [18:09] i dont have a problem with consoles [18:09] missyjane: Yes, as Reticenti says... [18:09] might be able to middle click [18:09] missyjane: What exactly is happening, (or not happening)? [18:09] in kde, sometime i would open up a text file [18:10] i would highlight [18:10] thane ctrl+c, but i hvae to do it again for it to get copied [18:10] or else ctrl+p pastes nothing [18:10] kde3 or 4 [18:10] 4 [18:10] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [18:10] missyjane: just highlight and hit middle mouse button when you ge to where you want the text to go. [18:10] I haven't really used it yet [18:10] missyjane: If you want to replace what' [18:10] s there, [18:10] i dont want to replace anything [18:10] just c/p [18:11] Ctrl-c to copy and Ctrl-v to paste [18:11] hullo [18:11] i usually don't ctrl+c i usually use the select pasteboard [18:11] greetings godling [18:11] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [18:11] hi godling [18:11] anything fun happening in here? [18:11] no [18:11] godling: not really. [18:11] godling: just dongs [18:11] i mean linux [18:11] long [18:11] I just spent two hours diagnosing some crappy Windows problem. I need to work on something else. :) [18:12] missyjane: But if you just want to dump some text, highlight and then go to where you want it to go and hit middle mouse button. [18:12] yeah usr13 and i have to hit ctrl+c twice for it to work, how many times do i have ot say that? [18:12] say it once more [18:12] to paste with the middle button or with ctrl+v? [18:12] missyjane: What I'm trying to tell you is that there are a couple ways to do it. [18:13] i already know [18:13] i just neve had this problem in kde3 [18:13] she's a long time linux user iirc [18:13] missyjane: Well, neither have I. [18:13] does it get put on your selection clipboard? [18:13] grekkos, thats how i know im pasting blanks, nope it doesnt get put on the clipboard [18:14] so it gets put on neither clipboard [18:14] missyjane: change your name to misterjoe and you might not get simple answers :3 [18:14] yep [18:14] missyjane: Try clearing the clipboard. [18:14] Reticenti, lol i thought about that but i would be lying [18:14] haha [18:14] usr13, why would i want to do that? [18:14] missyjane: There may be a problem with your RAM. (could be a bad spot there.) [18:14] a bad spot in ram lol [18:14] my pc is fine [18:14] usr13: It happens to me and LnxSlck too, the same issue. that's not it. [18:15] fire|bird, you too? didnt know [18:15] same app? source and dest of c/p? [18:15] missyjane: Oh sure. It's fine. You have no problem then. Ok. What else now? [18:15] missyjane: yeah, I mentioned that above. :P [18:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] same app or different app? my money's on different [18:16] ouch [18:16] sure usr13, try this http://pastebin.com/m2cb3468c [18:16] hobin (n=holger@94.125.216.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] mancha: randomly here, different apps. At times it just doesn't copy right away, so you have to copy again and then it will paste. [18:16] including right click --> copy, etc. [18:16] but is it ever from/to same app? [18:16] Action: deco is loving drupal [18:17] i.e. do you ever have to double from terminal to terminal [18:17] mancha, any app [18:17] Action: grekkos never loves drupal [18:17] or ff to ff [18:17] mancha: not really, no, from one app to a different app [18:18] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.206.131.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] let me try my slack13 i have it in a vm somewhere i think, i wanted to test it out before i installed it completely [18:18] my problem is exactly the same with fire|bird and LnxSlck [18:18] Benjsh__ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:18] what problem is that? [18:18] Benjsh__ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] I just got here, so don't tell me that you already said it once or something like that. ;P [18:19] godling: copy and paste issues. Sometimes you have to hit copy twice to get it to actually copy [18:19] fire|bird: are you using any clipboard managers? [18:19] oh yeah what's with this new icon in the terminal when i boot? [18:20] no more penguin? [18:20] godling: It seems to maybe be kde specific. [18:20] LnxSlck: You have the issue in KDE too? [18:20] it's probably a KDE thing [18:20] fire|bird, yes [18:20] fire|bird: that sucks. I am just using XFCE. [18:20] fire|bird, i have to hit control+c 2 or 3 times [18:20] fire|bird: I don't have problems copying. [18:20] godling: yeah, it's an odd issue. [18:20] LnxSlck: yup, same here. It's random though, doesn't happen every time. [18:21] can you triple-click in a terminal window to highlight the entire line? [18:21] fire|bird, yeap [18:21] godling: yup [18:21] for me that copies the entire line, and I can paste it with middle-click after that [18:21] godling: This always seems to be from one app to another, not from the same app to same app [18:22] kannan (n=kann@121.246.242.95) left irc: [18:22] or same terminal to same terminal [18:22] I usually copy from terminal and paste to firefox, so I can paste between apps [18:23] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) joined ##slackware. [18:23] X Windows doesn't have a primary "clipboard" like you might think. [18:23] Wikipedia's even got an article all about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection [18:23] godling: no, but kde has klipper or whatever it is now. [18:24] apparently it sucks. ;) [18:24] godling: yeah, and across different versions too. :P [18:24] yet another reason not to use KDE [18:24] :D [18:24] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] mine seems to be working fine [18:24] brb food time [18:24] Nick change: AkumaTw0 -> Akuma [18:25] Hmm, I was trying to install OpenBSD to a VM and it didn't go so well. :P [18:25] what went wrong? [18:25] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [18:25] godling: It says that the file system is full :P It's a VM with a newly created Virtual Disk :P [18:26] I need to get off my ass (figuratively speaking) and convert this Arch system to Slackware. :) [18:26] Hmm, well now it worked. :P [18:26] I think [18:26] godling: Start now, go go go [18:26] bleh [18:27] argh, now it give the same error at a different spot. :P [18:27] what do you people think of arch? [18:27] It's archtastic [18:27] never tried it, what're the advertised highlights? [18:27] mancha, mostly rolling updates [18:27] I'm already using LUKS on all my partitions (except /boot) and I don't *think* I'll have any problems, but can you peoples think of anything I might not have? [18:28] godling: trying to secure your system? [18:28] have any of you seen how damn fast fedora boots now? [18:28] Reticenti: I've already been using LUKS for about a year [18:28] its 0-60 in 2 seconds flat [18:29] they must have put a team together that only looked at optimizing the boot process [18:29] godling: i want to use LUKS, but u havent really found a good guie for it, I've never used it before and i don't want to screw up /home [18:29] mancha: yeah, it's awesome [18:29] mancha: I'm sure hardware specifications have nothing to do with that. [18:29] /s/u/you [18:29] errr [18:30] /s/u/i [18:30] yoi? [18:30] mancha: plymouth helped out a lot too I think, it was designed to be fast [18:30] godling: i want to use LUKS, but i havent really found a good guie for it, I've never used it before and i don't want to screw up /home [18:30] guide* [18:30] also, s/replace/with_this/ [18:30] Why do you need a gui? [18:30] i meant guide [18:30] i've never been very good at reading man pages [18:31] Reticenti: README_CRYPT is just that [18:31] it's too much information overlaod [18:31] on all the slackware mirrors [18:31] Reticenti: arch linux has a good wiki entry for installing LUKS on their system. I don't think it would be too difficult to translate into Slackware [18:31] godling: slackware already has a great document that explains it. [18:31] cool [18:31] it is very easy to get /home encrypted with luks extensions or not (using luks is not any harder than vanilla aes-cbc) [18:31] use that then, Reticenti [18:31] My entire laptop hdd is luks + lvm [18:31] fire|bird: where can i find that doc for slack? [18:31] isn't that special [18:31] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.69.191) left irc: "leaving" [18:32] the primary benefit of luks being the key mgmt, it is not stronger encryption [18:32] Reticenti: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/README_CRYPT.TXT [18:32] Reticenti: Do you not like using Google? :P [18:32] i tried godling ,but i couldnt find any good ones :\ [18:32] mancha: luks is a key manager anyways :P [18:33] of course you can use whatever encryption scheme is available [18:33] WOW, tds is a lot faster than osuosl here. but, tds is closer to me. :P [18:34] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [18:34] how many hops? [18:35] I gotta go now, good day guys =) [18:35] what's the tracert equivalent for linux? [18:35] traceroute [18:35] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [18:35] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:35] or tracepath [18:35] traceroute [18:35] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.166.194) left irc: "Minni vaiu!" [18:35] traceroute6 or tracepath6 if ipv6 [18:36] who uses ipv6? [18:36] freenode [18:36] China [18:36] I'm using it here on my local network [18:36] why? [18:37] godling: tds is 10, osuosl is, well, still going, at 12 atm. :/ [18:37] Are you asking why am I using ipv6? [18:37] yeah [18:37] do you have over 1billion or w/e computers on your lan? [18:38] He doesn't need to to use ipv6 :P [18:38] wow, at 15 and still going. [18:38] 17, good grief, this is enough, I'm not waiting for that thing to finish. :P [18:39] Reticenti: when I first started using it I did it because it looked bigger and scarier than ipv4 [18:39] so you use it because you can? [18:41] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-245-109-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:42] tds is 12 hops from my location [18:42] ::1/128 is shorter to type than 127.0.0.1 [18:42] EasyTUX (n=ulule@AToulouse-258-1-70-8.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:42] osu is only 9 [18:43] ah [18:43] Reticenti: Yes, I'm using it because I can. [18:43] :P [18:43] that's as a good a reason as any [18:44] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [18:45] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.206.131.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [18:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:46] deco (n=deco@69.108.88.254) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:46] Well this is annoying. OpenBSD just won't install. :P [18:47] go bug them in their channel about it [18:47] see how long it takes them to become annoyed :) [18:47] haha [18:48] ask them why it wont work like ubuntu works [18:48] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: Connection timed out [18:49] godling: am I pissing you off-fa-fa (:D, good ol Jeff Dunham) [18:49] Apparently ipv6 doesn't provide for computing checksums. I wonder what that will mean for linux software routers [18:49] fire|bird: I kill you. [18:49] fire|bird: I like the jalapeno. [18:50] my girlfriend calls me the sticckk, coz of that jeff dunham sketch [18:50] I lie, I like all of them except the superhero guy. [18:50] he can die with his puppets ;x [18:50] and his blue prius [18:51] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) left irc: [18:52] hmm [18:52] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:52] i need to decide if i want to do straight computer science, or do computer engineering [18:53] Action: powtrix votes science [18:53] cs is hardcore coding, comp eng is coding w/ networking w/ circuits [18:54] but if i did engineering, i'd be here for another 40 years [18:55] godling: Jalapeno on a stick senor. :P [18:56] godling: that superhero one is annoying. [18:56] I like Akhmed (sp?) the dead terrorist. He died from premature detonation. [18:58] sigh, it's another year before i can learn a different programming language in my major [18:58] at least i'm learning c++ [18:58] Reticenti why? what's the current? [18:58] and what's the next? [18:58] Quiznos: c++ [18:58] Quiznos: it's a general smorgasbord language class [18:58] do you get to design/write your own obj lib for c++? [18:58] ah [18:58] any Forth? [18:58] so learn another language on your own [18:58] :) [18:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] demand Forth as the anthesis of Lisp [18:59] Quiznos: im in the second semester of programming, and we just started structs [18:59] ah [18:59] the perfect struct is the SymbolTable [18:59] but by the end of my major, i'll be writing a c++ compilier in C froms scratch [18:59] struct SymTab { char *name; void **Types, **Values; }; [18:59] starwars coders with a lisp say "may the forth be with you" [18:59] compilers is the cs class i'm most looking forward to [19:00] amen [19:00] Quiznos: what's fourth? [19:00] no u [19:00] it's as old as c and vehemently enjoyed by devotees [19:00] ah [19:00] kinda like oldschool perl? :P [19:00] religion liek vi/emacs [19:01] yeah [19:01] no; not like perl [19:01] perl as in the perl users are very religious about it [19:01] rpn HP calc would be nearest corresponding [19:01] ah [19:01] wschaub (n=wschaub@cpe-67-242-103-31.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] the pinnacle is thinking in forth [19:02] it's a tinght little unit of a language [19:02] ignore thy Lisp and go Forth to C [19:02] emminently portable to anything and anything [19:02] i want to learn perl, python and lisp [19:02] nah; lips is good to; especially whenst thou canst port concepts lispy to forth [19:02] lol [19:02] :) [19:03] in (lisp args follow) [19:03] the closest I ever got to forth was postscript. (which AFAIK is just forth with some extensions for displays and printing) [19:03] I like Lisp. Kinda a necessity being an Emacs fan :) [19:03] in follow args words Forth [19:03] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:03] where words are equiv to functions [19:03] then again, I like ADA too :) [19:03] shun the unbeliever (nyteowl) [19:03] owl, ah; yea that helps [19:03] ew [19:03] language by committee [19:04] Action: Quiznos shudders [19:04] Ada has some nice features [19:04] it's too verbose [19:04] it's scientific cobol [19:04] heh [19:04] wasnt there a GNUCobol? [19:04] lol [19:04] you have to realize with Ada it was desinged with a specific set of features as a priority adn programming encapsulation was the main one [19:04] was there? [19:04] I didn't find it when I was looking for cobol a few years back. [19:05] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] yea i know; i remember and i even have a book on its developement [19:05] Cobol is also a nice language for estracting data from a db and generating reports [19:05] use RPG/II [19:05] I have, I prefer COBOL actually [19:05] oh oh Rory, we're dating ourselves [19:05] RPG/II is ugly but RPG III and later on the AS/400 is pretty good. [19:05] lol [19:05] PL/1? [19:05] i learned the 34 [19:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:06] It's ok, I don't mind letting the old folks banter. Gives them something to do with all their extra time. ;P [19:06] lol [19:06] bastage [19:06] WATFOUR/WATFIV and TSF? [19:06] lol [19:06] JCL [19:06] ew [19:06] hated that [19:06] just so many pin pricks on cards [19:06] heh [19:06] ok, this is the part where i say i want to learn perl, and you tell me to get off your lawn [19:07] nah; i respect poliglots; i'm one [19:07] actually perl is awesome. [19:07] i can read alot but only write a few [19:07] I think they should give larry wall a medal. [19:07] agreed [19:07] i'd vote for that [19:07] perverted as it is [19:07] :) [19:07] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [19:07] what i'd really like to do is write a Forth backend for gnuc [19:07] and a frontend too [19:08] the engine interpreter of a forth can be very simple and effective [19:08] Reticenti: http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/7/16/633518421146213483-seriously---get-off-my-lawn---motivational-army-poster.jpg [19:08] Quiznos: but it wouldn't be so much fun if it wasn't perverted. [19:08] Alex, i can write that engine in two insn [19:08] sure [19:08] haha NyteOwl [19:09] espresso anyone? [19:09] i can write asm, c, forth; the rest i can read and port somehow [19:09] NyteOwl not yet; 2h more. [19:09] hrad_ (i=5ef1513c@gateway/web/freenode/x-pqudfdthzalkwznr) left irc: "Page closed" [19:10] asm is nice and fast but is processor specific [19:10] as for c++, i'd like to redesign its object structure [19:10] I would like to learn assembler. Just don't have any need to. (6809 would be a good choice just for fun since I have a 6809 machine laying about) [19:10] ever use SIMULA? [19:10] well, i think i've come up with a universal assembler and backend structure [19:10] nop; but i'm aware of it [19:10] oh, Icon. [19:10] now that's a fun langauge [19:10] Eiffel [19:11] also, is it useful for everyday computeing to learn awk/sed? [19:11] buttk; no that's not it; what's the esoteric language? [19:11] computing* [19:11] lol [19:11] Reticenti sure [19:11] or should i jsut learn perl [19:11] gotta know re's [19:11] Action: NyteOwl was part of iBM's beta team for Smalltalk development on OS/2 [19:11] they are foundational in unix coding [19:11] nice [19:11] Quiznos: re's are in awk or sed? [19:11] sure [19:12] re.7 [19:12] I've never used anything all that interesting. the most archaic would have to be RPG on the 400 and that was only a course I was taking nothing in the real world. teh rest of my languages are just common ones like C, Java, Perl and PHP roughly in that order. [19:12] i'll never learn java [19:12] me neither [19:12] i hate java [19:12] I hated java. [19:12] another scientific cobol [19:12] too verbose [19:12] Java has it's uses - like msot languages [19:12] gotta have a reason tho! [19:12] grem (n=grem@C-61-69-234-42.for.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] java for jdownloader only [19:12] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] it's all corporate buzziness [19:12] more a stripped down C [19:12] grem (n=grem@C-61-69-234-42.for.connect.net.au) left ##slackware. [19:12] last I touched it ws when 1.4 jdk was current and I hope never to touch it again. [19:12] wicd-client has become so laggy .. [19:12] heh [19:13] i've never programmed in java, but as a user i hate using java so much that i'll never make anyone use it because of my program [19:13] I hated the straight jacket it put you in. [19:13] yea, i should rmpkg it but... [19:13] Java has the distinct advantage of running the same on *nix and Win* [19:13] alkos333: huh? [19:13] and the utterly crap sun class libraries. [19:14] lots of really cool compoinents that look like they will do just what you want them to. and then once you use them you find out they are not as they are really advertised. [19:14] I'm sure a lot of that is fixed these days but still. [19:14] oh, i heard that there was a man with a sign in DC past weekend whose sign had image of GWashington with thought-bubble that said "WTF?!?" [19:14] rofl [19:14] give me Perl any day. [19:14] lol [19:15] another sign said "Homeland Security: Here I AM" [19:15] lol [19:15] i think there was a down arrow too [19:16] and I saw a kid holding a sign that said why are you spending money that I havent even earned yet? [19:16] I guess I could use it again but I really doubt I will ever do much with it unless someone offers me a ton of money to do so. which is unlikely since its been at least 5 years since I've writtena single line of java. [19:17] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [19:17] i'd rather use xp than code in java [19:17] macavity: Yep, ever since I updated to 1.6.* [19:18] Quiznos: your exelent idea from yesterday about neutering configure.ac/configure.in didnt work.. it was a parsing error of the switch that neglected to set enable_pam=no [19:18] Action: wschaub wonders if he still has the huge Java class library poster he used to hang on his wall back then. [19:18] macavity kool; now we know [19:18] Quiznos: just calling "enable_pam=no ./configure --options" did however do the trick [19:18] I could take a picture of it to show why I hate java. looks like a rube goldberg machine. [19:18] kool [19:19] just yanking shit out is *newer* a good idea [19:19] wschaub lol [19:19] .. as i said [19:19] alkos333: as in, it is slow to refresh? [19:19] i first said then several times to autoreconf [19:19] tried that [19:19] ok [19:19] (after i figured out what was going on) [19:20] nods [19:20] i hate autotools [19:20] macavity: Did you get the perl module installed now too? :P [19:20] I hate libtool even more than I hate autoconf. [19:20] fire|bird: nope, ive been doing household chores since last we spoke [19:20] wschaub++ [19:20] it alayws screws up instead of helping when its not running under linux. [19:20] libtool is *broken* [19:20] bummer [19:20] macavity: ah, something even more fun then. :P [19:20] its the worst FPOS ever. [19:21] it makes blood shoot out of my eyes. [19:21] it imposes static linking semantics on dynamically linked libraries [19:21] heh [19:21] *ARGHHHHH!* [19:21] yes I tried to compile a libtool project on solaris today. [19:21] why do you ask? [19:21] i didnt ask.. i stated a fact [19:21] i investigated the craptastic effect it had on slackware when libXCB changed a name of a .so file [19:22] almost all my partitions have been consolidated; old dists rm'd; i think i'm ready to consolidate parts now [19:22] I really have to wonder what ever possesd poeple ot write abominations like that. [19:22] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] portability @GNU [19:22] the perverts :) [19:22] only two libs of the roughly 83 "infected" ELFs actually had a ligitimate reason to link to it [19:22] i want a deGNUded dist [19:23] Quiznos: go BSD then [19:23] autoconf almost seems like a good idea and I can usually work around that. but libtool plus autoconf = a nightmare every time for me. [19:23] replace the tool chain with something else [19:23] nah [19:23] not bsd [19:23] linux [19:23] except maybe for a few projects that actually somehow work with libtool on solaris. [19:23] murdoc-is-god (n=murdoc-i@c-24-63-201-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090520, built on: 2009/06/06 12:36:26 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [19:23] Quiznos: ok, *specifically* for the tool chain.. come up with one, just one, usable project [19:23] NyteOwl: what kind of gun was that in the "get off my lawn" image? [19:24] macavity: yes, and to open up when minimized to tray [19:24] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] lcc; tinycc. nasm, fasm, [19:24] not talking any kind of source configuration or build system here, just the raw tool chain [19:24] Schilly's Smake [19:24] :) [19:24] been thinking of this for a long time :) [19:24] do i need to talk about my schilly smake again? [19:24] godling: three minigun moduels on a single mount :) [19:24] alkos333: ok, here it opens instantly when i click on it [19:24] pls; i need info [19:24] s/moduels/modules/ [19:24] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) joined ##slackware. [19:25] i use his Star too [19:25] probably 7.62 NATO [19:25] macavity: Go figure [19:25] macavity: It opens instantly most of the time. [19:25] However, sometimes it just lags ... [19:25] alkos333: did you have a kernel upgrade at the same time as you went to 1.6? [19:26] macavity: I upgraded to 2.6.31 [19:26] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65210f4.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [19:26] hmm.. same here [19:26] Reticenti are you gonna write? [19:26] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.50.194) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:26] anyhow, back to washing dishes and whatnot [19:26] macavity: haha [19:26] macavity: have fun. :D [19:26] macavity: I'm having trouble connecting to some networks [19:26] Quiznos: only if you want to see my schilly smake [19:26] smakefile? sure [19:27] macavity: Like I can't connect to my Pre which is running myTether [19:27] macavity: can't connect to the house network.. which is jus a WPA2 connection.. [19:27] Action: Reticenti puts on his wizard cap and robe [19:27] sdx23 (n=sdx23@unaffiliated/sdx23) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] heh [19:27] Action: Quiznos puts on the speeshul sauce [19:27] I get the notorious "mismatch" error message [19:28] do i need my web bowser? [19:29] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] Urkie!!! [19:30] Quiznos [19:30] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-135.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:30] ferdl (n=phiezer@p54981144.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [19:31] Reticenti where's that page? [19:31] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:31] and the requisite chatter? [19:32] Quiznos: what page? [19:32] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [19:32] smakefile [19:32] i dont know what a smakefile is [19:32] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.16) joined ##slackware. [19:32] bastid tease [19:32] :) [19:32] :) [19:33] you dont know who schilly is? [19:33] nope [19:33] Action: Quiznos schmears oozes on Reticenti [19:33] Isn't he the brains behind cdrecord? [19:33] i think so [19:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:33] so after upgrading from -current to 13.0, I just found out ~/.bash_profile wasn't getting sourced for my user (my shell was set to /bin/sh, has been for years, this just now happened). Anyone know why? (and no, the upgrade didn't involve upgrading bash...) [19:34] bad bash [19:34] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-135.multimo.pl) left irc: Client Quit [19:34] not a complaint: not sourcing .bash_profile when invoked as bash is probably the correct behaviour [19:34] I've heard of star and smake since he posts about it (or used to) quite a bit on comp.unix.solaris. but I never tried either tool. [19:34] it's the primary shell file for login toho [19:34] tho [19:34] wschaub it's pretty neat [19:34] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65206df.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:35] eliminates the need for autotools [19:35] what's an autotool? [19:35] actually, if it's trying to be POSIX-compliant, it probably needs to source .profile and not .bash_profile [19:35] ./configure and friends. [19:35] autoconf, autoheader, etc [19:35] oh [19:35] yea [19:35] i think i've only used those in ubuntu [19:36] well i have a hate hate relationship with em [19:36] Quiznos: so what? sort of like a souped uup version of the x consortium's imake ? [19:36] more than imake; but imake makes makefiles; Smake is a replacement for GNUmake [19:37] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:37] schily's a smart guy, but he's definitely a linux-hater and solaris-lover... he utterly hates the idea that SCSI devices should be accessed as e.g. /dev/sda1, and made cdrecord spit out warnings saying "using buggy linux device name" or similar [19:37] Kamel (n=1@173-132-68-21.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] lol yea [19:38] i dint realise he's a hate-ah tho [19:38] his docs dont let on that he is [19:38] I say, when in Rome, do as the Romans (and when in Linux, access SCSI devices the way other apps do) [19:38] yea [19:38] I lean a bit towards his ideas. I also hate ambigus names like sda and sdb. [19:39] is his reasoning valid tho? [19:39] at least the solaris style naming gives some assurance you arent accidentally accessing the wrong device (imagine the hardware changed or an external disk is powered off) [19:39] ok [19:40] and so what used to be sdb is now sda and so on. [19:40] Quiznos: I haven't read his docs in years, and I don't really know so much about solaris... [19:40] i leave empty files with significant names on / partitions [19:40] ok [19:40] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:41] on solaris instead you have devices like /dev/dsk/c1t1d0s0 [19:41] garme (n=garme@189-93-198-242.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:41] controller 1 target 1 disk 0 slice 0 [19:41] yea; i've seen that; not fond of it [19:41] wow! guy psoted on the for sale forum and made the sale within 20 minutes! [19:41] sale of what? [19:42] these days, udev is pretty good at automagically keeping up with /dev/cdrom as a symlink to the real device [19:42] Colt Mk IV Series 80 Commander in 9mm [19:42] sorry Series 70 [19:43] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [19:43] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:43] but even in the old days, trying to use cdrecord on a real SCSI hard disk wouldn't hurt anything (just made cdrecord exit with an error) [19:43] i recall the probs i had with ide-scsi and cdrecord [19:43] ugh, yeah [19:43] it certainly did heh [19:44] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] NyteOwl: Something about miniguns makes me happy. [19:44] either way i can see the thought behind the other naming scheme. I'm not promoting solaris as the only real operating system though. he takes it a bit too far in that direction. [19:44] I mean it could be coerced into working most of the time, but if anything went wrong (bad blank disc or burn failed, whatever), sometimes it'd do stuff like, leave the disc spinning with the drive door locked [19:44] wschaub they are called Zealots :) [19:44] NyteOwl: Do you think that single mount could handle the stress of all of them firing at once? [19:45] I love my solaris boxes though. [19:45] lol [19:45] (i love my slackware too..) [19:45] apparently I don't love mine, or I wouldn't leave them in storage... [19:45] godling: it might. I'm not sure the tripod would but the mounting each module is fastened to might. Hard to tell from that pic [19:46] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net expired. [19:46] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:46] (they're all sparcstation 5/10/20 with solaris 2.6, 7, or 8... pretty ancient these days) [19:46] sundown; the day is over. [19:46] fire|bird: it looks like Archive::Zip doesnt need anything else on 13.0 [19:46] NyteOwl: I always wanted to mount something like that above my front door. [19:46] I need to get around ot installing 2.6 on one of my spare ultra 10s (Solaris 2.6) and get the solaris 8 branded zones working on my main box. [19:46] fire|bird: ... at least it is still compiling now ;-) [19:47] NyteOwl: I wonder if that would be legal. [19:47] (for building solaris binaries on) [19:47] godling: here only if it was deactivated - ie renedered eprmanently inoperable [19:48] my Ultra 10s mainyl collect dust since I replaced them with the sunblade 2000. [19:48] godling: make all the soliciatons stop I bet ;) [19:48] my only Ultra is an Ultra 1, not very ultra really [19:48] much more ultra than a sparcstation 5. [19:49] my buddy found a Sun Ray 1 in a dumpster [19:49] damn. I wish I had his dumpsters. [19:49] it'll run the solaris 8 64-bit kernel, but sun doesn't recommend it (IIRC, they don't really say why, I tried it and it worked but no better than the 32-bit one) [19:49] me too [19:49] I don't find any cool sun kit in my dumpsters. [19:49] had we known what it was up front we would have gone back [19:49] macavity damn, the Tosser should be flogged [19:50] this isnt as cool as it sounds [19:50] it's still a computer [19:50] I'd settle for a low end 1U I could colocate heh [19:50] ... that you cant run without some proprietary Sun crap [19:50] the sunray is really just a fancy X-terminal with some local processing power. [19:50] it does *not* work like a regular thin client [19:50] its only really cool with the smart card system and the sunray server behind it. [19:50] but I would love ot play with one. [19:51] wschaub: yes, but it requres a proprietary terminal server [19:51] macavity: awesome, great to hear. [19:51] is the sunray something like a javastation? [19:51] I think you could actually yank your smart card and plug it into another sunray and have your session follow you. [19:51] thats right [19:51] IIRC, a javastation was just a dumb framebuffer + ethernet interface, with some weird protocol to send it graphics to display [19:51] garme (n=garme@189-93-198-242.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:52] I think someplace on CD I have hte sunray server software. [19:52] I used to get big boxes of CDs shipped ot me from sun as part of this developer subscription. [19:52] I never throw stuff like that out. [19:52] Nick change: stamp -> stamp_off [19:54] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [19:54] fire|bird: ah crap.. now it bitches about xulrunner-nss :-/ [19:54] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [19:54] macavity: seamonkey installed? [19:55] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left ##slackware. [19:55] yes [19:56] If I remember right the sunray was just a low end sparc32 bit processor with some audio and video hardware and possibly some ext [19:56] ernal way of hooking up storage. [19:56] macavity: Hmm, what exactly does it say about xulrunner-nss? [19:56] and it netbooted a custom environment. [19:56] a lot like the javastation concept. [19:57] just revamped a little. [19:57] http://pastebin.ca/1567697 [19:57] it biches about a missing .pc file [19:58] and the Slackware.conf file gets re-generated somehow.. disabling xulrunner in it has no effect [19:59] speaking of sunrays, i think dell is bringing back some thin clients [19:59] ananke: nice [20:00] good to hear that.. [20:00] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-245-109-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [20:00] i forget the models though. overall they had a few neat new things coming out soon [/me has attended a dell enterprise client/server showcase last week] [20:00] I just hope it'll be cheap enough [20:00] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] but sunray in a dumpster... you can't beat that [20:01] ok, and this time enable_nss=no ./configure did *not* do the trick :-/ [20:01] mako-dono: a sun ray 1 is pretty cheep [20:01] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:01] and useless [20:01] we shall use it to prop the door open hence forth [20:02] macavity: sunray server software was available for linux iirc [20:02] i'd find more use for a real dumb terminal than a sunray :) [20:02] I like my collection of RISC workstation odds and ends. [20:02] i dont care.. it is non-free [20:02] even if most of it is pretty useless these days. [20:03] anyone still on 12.2? [20:03] CcSsNET (n=user@c-71-232-196-119.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] macavity: it doesn't have to be free. If I can get the software, I can put the sunray in good use [20:03] bah, i'm still on 10.2 :) [20:03] Actually I would love to get me a dumb terminal for my desk. I have a sweet IBM 3151 terminal back in st. louis but I use that as a second head for my laptop when I'm down there for christmas. [20:03] diven (n=diven@72.183.237.80) joined ##slackware. [20:03] if so, do you have a xulrunner-nss.pc in /usr/share/pkgconfig/ ? [20:04] I would love to find another 3151 though. beautiful crisp green text, flat screen with no glare and a Modem M keyboard. [20:04] heaven. [20:04] model M I mean. [20:04] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [20:04] i don't see /usr/share/pkgconfig on my 10.2 boxes [20:04] no shit sherlock :P [20:04] macavity: you asked :P [20:04] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.220) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:05] I have some AT&T 705MT terminals I can ship up but they don't have the nice buckling srping keyboard that I like (but they do have some nice features like a scroll back buffer and better range of emulations) [20:05] EasyTUX (n=ulule@AToulouse-258-1-70-8.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "dodo" [20:06] and also, dont we handle nss somewhere else? [20:06] or was that TLS? [20:06] macavity: I don't see that file on my pc anywhere (I'm on 13) :P [20:06] Action: macavity looks up nss [20:06] fire|bird: i just checked, i have everything installed except emacs and tetex [20:06] and tetex-doc [20:06] no shitsherlocking there? [20:07] lol [20:07] ananke: i *could* have made a booboo :P [20:07] ananke: i just need to know if we hosed the seamonkey build since 12.2 [20:07] macavity: Yeah, same here, only minus emacs, everything else is installed. [20:08] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [20:08] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] no xulrunner-nss.pc on 12.2 [20:09] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:09] thank you [20:09] so, someone blew something up on the go-oo template [20:09] 372 other files there, but not this one [and nowhere to be found elsewhere] [20:10] now to figure out where it gets the "original" Slackware.conf that ./configure overwrites every time it is run [20:11] or rather, lets see if we can short this one :P [20:11] macavity are you using site-local config? [20:11] I do have a slackware related question. Does slackware have a public source repository for slackbuilds (something like webcvs for example) I would like to see how various bits changed between releases. (the package tools for example) [20:12] there's ftp.slackbuilds.org [20:12] Action: godling shrugs [20:12] right now they go back to 11.0 [20:12] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:12] there is no versioning system for slackware, at least not an offical one. [20:13] no.. cant be shorted [20:13] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:13] NyteOwl: Will you come over and shoot my landlady? [20:14] nope [20:14] I'll give you beer. [20:14] lol [20:14] ferdl (n=phiezer@p54981144.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "we are upgrading /dev/null" [20:14] :/ [20:14] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:14] only if she breaks into my house at 3am and presents a perceived threat [20:15] ok [20:15] Action: godling tries to figure out how to get his landlady to break into NyteOwl's home. [20:15] What's your address? [20:15] you have to agre to clean up any blood spatter afterwards though [20:15] ;P [20:15] wschaub (n=wschaub@cpe-67-242-103-31.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.10.1 -- Are we there yet?" [20:16] 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington D.C. :p [20:16] I really want to make macaroni and cheese but the sink is filled with dirty dishes [20:16] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [20:16] the sink is _always_ filled with dirty dishes, and they belong to her. [20:16] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:16] her? [20:17] oh the landlady [20:17] the landlady [20:17] she lives with you? [20:17] [ in bed ] [20:17] It's a housemate thing, she rents out rooms in her house [20:17] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-86-162.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:18] It's relatively cheap and I don't have to pay for utilities, but It's taken me this long to realize she's a nutter. [20:18] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] heh [20:18] But I'm sure this is extremely fascinating for the rest of the channel. Sorry. :/ [20:19] but is she cute? [20:19] lol [20:19] NyteOwl: dude, she's like 60 [20:19] oh [20:19] could still be cute but I get your point :) [20:20] Emeau (n=Emeau@92.128.97.120) joined ##slackware. [20:20] nah, she's a wrinkly old Polish broad from Connecticut. [20:20] spends most of her time outside so she's got that weathered look [20:20] mmm mac and cheese [20:21] I know right? I have this shells and white cheddar thing that I mix with tuna fish and it's really good. [20:22] anyone play quakelive? [20:22] i dont even play quake dead [20:22] diven: Yes, I am sure someone plays Quake Live. [20:22] lol Pig_Pen [20:22] diven: Would you care to rephrase your question? :P [20:22] anyone here play quakelive? [20:23] My mouse quit working in-game today [20:23] What type of mouse was it? I have a bluetooth mouse (I know, shut up) that gives me problems. [20:24] s/was/is/ [20:24] its a usb logitech [20:24] uva (i=bno@118-168-234-12.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] i just tested on the laptop and everything is fine there [20:24] quake live doesn't have sound for me, but I know the reason why at least :P [20:25] it worked fine on sunday [20:26] diven, have you restarted firefox and all that to try to see if it works afterward? [20:26] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [20:26] blackorca, yes [20:27] I think i am going to reinstall the plugin [20:29] diven, have you tried deleting your config file (backing it up of course) and letting it use the default settings? [20:29] stamp_off (n=stamp@chello087207160135.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:29] blackorca, not yet [20:29] haven't got that far [20:29] Quake Live has an interesting content delivery system. [20:29] stamp_off (n=stamp@chello087207160135.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:30] diven, actually, the config might be stored online.. I can't seem to find anything in .mozilla/... [20:30] there is a .quakelive or something in your ~ [20:30] diven, oh yeah, forgot about that [20:35] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[20:45] Action: godling is installing Quake Live [20:45] :P [20:46] nice update progress bar, must've borrowed it from the Windows progress bar guy [20:47] heh [20:47] gotta love like watching that bar [20:47] er life [20:55] does anyone know why my itables might block all LAN requests for ssh, but has open access for WAN? [20:56] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.249) joined ##slackware. [20:56] Reticenti: hard to say without looking at your iptables rules [20:56] had to change the setting dga_mouse to 0 fir some reason [20:56] for* [20:57] nooper: would you mind looking at them? [20:57] Reticenti: post them in the channel. i'm not very good at iptables, but i'm sure someone can help [20:58] well not in the channel, but at a pastebin :) [20:59] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:00] yeah [21:00] lol [21:00] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-152.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] alright, here is my iptables script [21:01] http://pastebin.com/d60835e19 [21:01] and for some reason i cant ssh into it using the LAN address (192.168.0.x) [21:01] but i can using the WAN address [21:01] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [21:02] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65206df.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [21:03] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [21:03] Strykar (n=vector@122.170.50.225) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Reticenti: just to make sure that iptables is the problem, are you able to ssh in if you dont apply the iptables rules? [21:05] let me check [21:06] yeah, i stopped iptables, and i could log in [21:06] then started it, and i couldnt [21:08] Reticenti: does this box have more than one network interface? [21:08] Goat_Dog (n=guru@76.5.140.90) joined ##slackware. [21:08] bakednoodle (n=bakednoo@207.233.110.67) joined ##slackware. [21:08] elderK (n=zk@122-57-241-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [21:10] Strykar (n=vector@122.170.50.225) left irc: "Leaving" [21:10] screw this.. the ooo-builder is broken [21:10] period [21:10] nooper: no, eth0 is there, but it's not used [21:10] Action: macavity files 17 bugs and waits another three months [21:11] wlan0 is the iface i use [21:11] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:12] Reticenti: line 358. [21:13] wlan0 is setup as the external interface [21:13] hmm [21:13] ah [21:13] diven: ever have any problems with sound stuttering in quakelive? [21:13] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [21:13] now dont just comment that line out. get a proper script [21:13] this one is for gateways [21:14] oh, i see [21:15] CmdLnKid_ (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [21:16] macavity: I blame the galactic plane. :P [21:17] macavity: they're probably features for another distro... :P [21:17] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:18] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [21:18] g'night all [21:18] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [21:19] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:20] nooper: should i look for a new script, or just install a gui frontend? [21:20] is there a way to install the 32-bit libs for Slackware64? like Slamd64? [21:21] dunno, i dont use a software firewall here [21:21] ah [21:21] bakednoodle: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [21:21] thx [21:24] bakednoodle: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [21:24] doh [21:25] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] greetings and salutations [21:25] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.19.24) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:25] so BP{k}, what kind of beer drinker are you? Are you a pale ale, stout, Belgian? [21:25] greetings andarius, how are you? [21:25] salutations fire|bird, i am well. you? [21:25] andarius: excellent, thank you. :) [21:28] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:29] puyi (n=deco@69.108.88.254) joined ##slackware. [21:30] what do you guys think of fedora ? [21:30] its sexy :o [21:30] I like wearing a tan one myself. [21:30] haha [21:30] Keeps the sun out of my eyes [21:30] and chicks dig dudes who wear them ;) [21:31] andarius: So that's what I've been doing wrong. :P [21:32] Action: fire|bird looks for the nearest store that sells fedoras. [21:32] godling, yes [21:32] you adjust the buffer a little to fix it [21:32] le me look for the command [21:32] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:32] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [21:33] fire|bird: go fix the slackware seamonkey build so it makes pkgconfig files [21:33] godling, try this in the console [21:33] s_mixahead to 0.3 [21:33] fire|bird: oh, and dont forget to pass --disable-libtool to *anything* you build [21:33] -to [21:33] macavity: Have you narrowed down that that is the issue? :P [21:33] i have a fedora made from straw [21:34] fire|bird: affirmative [21:34] fire|bird: the alternative is to have go-oo unpack seamonkey source and statically include it in the binaries [21:34] macavity: Hmm, alright, when I'm done eating I can mess around with it. :P [21:34] fire|bird++ [21:36] Strykar (n=vector@122.170.50.225) joined ##slackware. [21:37] fire|bird: we *may* need a whole bunch of xulrunner-*.pc files [21:37] diven: I found that suggestion in a forum, tried it, but it kills the sound completely. :( [21:38] diven: the game is fun though. I like the grenade launcher. :D [21:38] btw, if we manage to get .pc files of every lib on the system, we can ditch libtool [21:39] no shit.. pkgconfig can actually tell the difference between dependencies and private dependencies [21:39] halleluja! [21:39] orhowtospellthatiamnotchristian [21:39] lol [21:39] hallelujah [21:40] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-157-91.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:40] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:40] alleluia [21:40] thursday is the new friday, christianity is the new Satanism [21:40] or Ô·Ü°¼ÜÕ¼Ù¸Ô¼ if you speak Hebrew [21:41] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@masterarms.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:42] Strykar (n=vector@122.170.50.225) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:43] its peanutbutter jelly time! [21:43] PuroOsso (n=PuroOsso@189.61.108.46) joined ##slackware. [21:43] no, it's hammer time. :D [21:43] peanutbutter!! [21:43] y0 agentc0re (or should I say, Mr. FBI) :P [21:43] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207160135.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Mr. Pink [21:44] stamp_off (n=stamp@chello087207160135.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:44] Mr. Pink? why pink? :P [21:44] It's Peanut Butter Hammer Time, Peanut Butter Hammer Time! [21:45] Ah.. the name of the movie isn't coming to my mind right now. [21:45] Resivior Dogs [21:45] Reservoir [21:45] :) [21:45] yup, that movie. [21:45] one of the best movies ever [21:45] PuroOsso (n=PuroOsso@189.61.108.46) left irc: Client Quit [21:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [21:46] puyi (n=deco@69.108.88.254) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:47] fire|bird: hang on.. i think i just had an epifany [21:48] orhowtospell [21:48] epiphany, ok. :) [21:48] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [21:48] ... --with-system-mozilla=xulrunner is probably not the right thing to do [21:48] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:48] --with-system-mozilla=seamonkey is proabably better [21:49] firedix (n=firedix@host107.201-252-141.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] ... as we happen to have seamonkey-nss.pc on board ;-) [21:50] lol: Unpacking OO.o build tree - [ go and have some tea ] ... [21:50] ok.. i think i will do that then :P [21:50] lol [21:51] I'm sure you could do more than just have tea. [21:51] that's what she said [21:51] if i want to disable eth0 from starting at startup (i dont use it) how would i go about doing that? [21:51] now, what is this xulrunner thing? [21:52] i though it was an engine shipped with moz/seamonkey [21:52] https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XULRunner [21:52] "XULRunner is a Mozilla runtime package that can be used to bootstrap XUL+XPCOM applications that are as rich as Firefox and Thunderbird." [21:52] and the big question remains: what happens if we just ln -s seamonkey-nss.pc xulrunner-nss.pc? :P [21:53] ah, ok.. so it IS just the name crap [21:53] i just read in the seamonkey.SlackBuild that something and something with something so something, because seamonkey is probably the only package that has the mozilla runtime [21:53] or something like that... [21:54] yup :P [21:54] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:55] godling, I have the doppler off in the game settings as well [21:55] diven: I'll check that. Thanks. [21:55] ok.. gconf.pc >_< [21:55] rahter gconf-2.0.pc [21:55] what the FUCK?!? [21:55] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [21:55] godling, what is you nick on there [21:55] i did --disable-gtk [21:56] fire|bird: do you have a spare jar of voodoo i can haz per chance? [21:56] Action: macavity headdesks like Dobby from Harry Potter [21:57] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:57] hahaha, I wish I did. [21:59] macavity: arresto momentum ;) [21:59] gnubien: my potter-fu is not that good... [22:00] macavity: google harry potter spells [22:00] no way [22:01] lol@the sbo entry for gconf :P [22:01] diven: no use, it's just not fixing the sound. :/ [22:02] godling: what is your sound card or alsa problem? [22:02] macavity: you mean regarding the "annoying" fact? ;) [22:02] gnubien: it's a quake live specific thing [22:02] :) [22:02] "GConf is a configuration database system, functionality similar to the Windows registry and annoying in the same manner" [22:02] BP{k}: yes [22:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427638.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] see ya [22:04] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [22:04] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) joined ##slackware. [22:05] macavity: Have you tried at all symlinking seamonkey-nss.pc to xulrunner-nss.pc ? It can always be removed. :P [22:05] fire|bird: so far to get go-oo building: install Archive::Zip, ORBit2 and GConf, patch the Slackware.conf.in, hack in enable_pam=no when invoking ./configure [22:06] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [22:06] fire|bird: not yet.. i would rather see if i can actually produce a .SlackBuild that passes QC [22:07] lets see where it bombs out next.. [22:07] i am SO sure this cant just be it [22:07] aa lol [22:07] cant find gnome-vfs [22:07] haha [22:08] Well, I have ORBit2, GConf, and gnome-vfs here :P [22:08] this is idiotic [22:08] i passed it --disable-gtk [22:08] gnome-vfs .. requires: GConf2, gnome-mime-data, libbonobo, and optionally avahi. [22:08] BP{k}: and what does those require? [22:08] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] i will end up having basically all of gnome short of gnome-desktop wont i? [22:09] lol [22:09] FUCK [22:09] time to file some more bug repports [22:09] What the hell are you wanting to build? [22:09] macavity: what about Oxygen Office? :P [22:09] rworkman: go-oo [22:09] Last I checked, you only need pam headers. [22:09] rworkman: nope.. i actually dont need those [22:10] macavity: hmm not much .. avahi requires libademon and optional mono [22:10] rworkman: "enable_pam=no ./configure --options" takes care of that [22:10] Ah [22:10] What's wanting all the gnome stuff then? [22:10] BP{k}: i do not intend to install avahi :P [22:10] if you build something with pam headers wont it fail to run if there are no pam libs at runtime? [22:10] rworkman: i go-oo [22:10] rworkman: :P [22:10] lol [22:10] libbonobo does require ORBit2 but you should have that already for GConf [22:10] macavity: alright, I have Archive::Zip now too. :P [22:11] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:11] RipVanWinkle: it didn't quite some time ago. [22:11] there is a --disable-kde, but not --disable-gnome :-/ [22:11] Quite likely the pam headers were never needed, but they were included somewhere explicitly. [22:11] Rather than finding where and ifdef'ing it, it was easier to just put them there. [22:12] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:12] It's not uncommon to see unneeded includes in .c files :) [22:12] as long as the libs are not needed at runtime i guess its no big deal then [22:12] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [22:13] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:13] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [22:13] ok.. this officially sucks [22:14] Goat_Dog (n=guru@76.5.140.90) left irc: "Leaving" [22:15] what i would like to see is a panel with a clock on the right hand side that you can add your own icons to that is pretty like avant but does not require all the gnome kludge [22:15] with auto hide [22:16] i insist that i want a dynamically linked go-oo with native KDE widgets [22:16] i will not rest [22:16] i will not let this daunting task frighten me [22:16] I WILL PREVAIL! [22:16] Action: macavity shakes fist at the sky [22:16] I WILL SURVIVE [22:17] fire|bird: disco ball? :P [22:17] hahaha, nope. [22:17] It fell and broke :/ :P [22:18] Action: hitest puts on the music Eye of the Tiger for macavity [22:18] lol [22:19] more like "I went to the Danger Zone" :P [22:19] :) [22:20] the Twilight Zone - Golden Earring [22:23] kitche (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [22:23] hmm man building a atom computer is pretty cheap it seems [22:23] PiterPun1 (i=3354@64.57.102.36) left irc: Client Quit [22:25] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [22:27] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:28] kitche: got a url for building a atom pc? [22:28] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: Success [22:29] it's pretty much the same if you know how to build mini itx systems [22:29] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [22:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-7.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:33] i am so sleepy i can not keep my eyes open, laters, sleepytime for me! [22:33] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:34] And Mini-ITX isn't any different to building and ATX system, the mobo is just smaller and has less screw holes [22:35] fire|bird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybXrrTX3LuI <-- yes, you will... for a time :o [22:36] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:37] hahahahahah [22:37] andarius: The one video I put on youtube, and you just have to find it, don't you. :P [22:37] Goat_Dog (n=guru@76.5.140.90) joined ##slackware. [22:37] That video is cool, and there went the Disco Ball. [22:40] kitche (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [22:41] quick, quick [22:42] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:42] anyone encounter an RJ9 before ? [22:42] or better yet, know the difference between 11 and 9 [22:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [22:42] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.104.187) left irc: Connection timed out [22:43] google does [22:43] as does wikipedia [22:43] it fails [22:43] response, "fuck you jeev, learn to search better [22:43] " [22:43] since it did not fail for me, i would have to say perhaps it is you who fails ? [22:44] i wont lie, i do [22:44] anywho. rj9 seems to be a bit more compact than rj11 ? [22:44] or is it 4P4C [22:45] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) left irc: "Sleep: what a beautiful choice." [22:45] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:45] screw it, i'll figure it out later [22:46] jeev, I thought it was a phone line connector [22:46] 4 position, 4 contacts; popularly, but incorrectly, called RJ22, RJ10, or RJ9) [22:46] aka 4p4c [22:46] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [22:47] stupid google finance charts [22:48] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.201.107.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] my firefox looks like a pile of feces; how do i fix this? [22:53] amazon101: flush it down the pipes ;) [22:53] amazon101: can you be more specific? [22:53] fire|bird: ok.. this is some funny shit: now go-oo bitches that i dont have Qt4 installed >_< [22:54] i shall sleep 8 hours and try again [22:54] DIXI [22:54] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "go-oo build system was made by dumbasses!" [22:54] HAHAHA [22:55] http://imgur.com/X2aTt.png [22:55] that just looks... totally gross [22:56] like, is that a gtk problem, or a firefox problem [22:56] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.217.189) left irc: "Leaving." [22:57] Strykar (n=vector@122.170.50.225) joined ##slackware. [22:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:58] while i wait for the great minds to pontificate my problem, i'm going to get some food. brb :) [22:59] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:00] Action: agentc0re ... has no idea wtf amazon101 is smoking [23:01] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [23:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:06] agentc0re: something that uses --disable-brain-cells ? [23:07] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-21.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:09] rizo (n=sano@fm-ip-118.136.197.204.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [23:09] rizo (n=sano@fm-ip-118.136.197.204.fast.net.id) left irc: Client Quit [23:10] I'm trying to compile KDE 4.3.1 on Slackware 13. I recreated the directory structure used in the source directory on the FTP server for KDE 4.2.4. Do I need ALL the files in the directories, or just the *.SlackBuild files? Or maybe all the files except the patches? [23:12] fire|bird: OOhhh Snap! [23:13] The numerical code for "--disables-brain-cells" is 420 [23:13] ./marijuana --420 [23:14] thats a good number [23:14] Sometimes it has an extended form --5420 [23:16] amazon101, are you talking about the "3d" menubar? [23:17] 3d? It looks like that because there's not a gtk theme loaded. [23:17] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:17] it pops out [23:18] that doesn't mean it's 3d. [23:18] thats why i put it in scare quotes :D [23:22] heheh [23:25] BTW, does anyone know if you have to uninstall KDE 4.2.4 before installing 4.3.1? [23:26] no, but it's probably not a good idea to be in kde while you build it. The scripts automatically install the packages as they are built. [23:26] Oh, I was not aware of that. [23:27] Also, should I remove the patches from teh directories? In other words are they only for KDE 4.2.4? [23:27] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [23:28] fire|bird: okay how do i load a gtk theme [23:29] Doesn't rworkman have a KDE page? If so, what is the URL? [23:30] Strykar (n=vector@122.170.50.225) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:31] amazon101: One way is to run xfsettingsd, which loads the gtk theme xfce has set. Another way is to get gtk-chtheme from SBo and use it to set a theme. [23:32] PaddyMac: No, he doesn't. He's made some kde packages, but for personal use, not for sharing with everyone. [23:32] fire|bird: k, building gtk-chtheme now [23:33] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [23:33] fire|bird: what gtk theme do you use? [23:34] atm, clearlooks [23:36] ok [23:36] is anyone else interested in using OSS? [23:36] it's looking a little better now; thanks [23:36] (compared to ALSA) [23:37] Nick change: amazon101 -> amazon10x [23:37] blackorca: OSS4? [23:37] fire|bird, yes [23:37] let's see if i can get this tab bar in better shape [23:38] blackorca: Hmm, around the time that came out I heard some good things about it. [23:40] fire|bird, it doesn't integrate seemlessly with slackware.. for example the OSS plugin for XMMS plays but the volume/balance controls are useless [23:41] blackorca: heh, that's not good. :P [23:42] fire|bird, it's probably because the plugin is designed for older versions of OSS (like the one in the kernel :P) [23:43] fire|bird: Ooh yesterday when you were mentioning bands i forgot to say "Rise Against" that's a good one too. [23:44] agentc0re: Yeah, I haven't heard much of their music, but what I've heard is sure good. [23:44] sometimes when I press alt+f2 I get this weird run program dialog instead of the fancy kde4 dialog. http://imgur.com/Y61Mo.png [23:44] any idea what causes this? [23:45] haha, you're getting the one for xfce. :P [23:47] haha [23:47] fire|bird, it also depends on the soundcard.. my integrated ati HD audio (whatever this is) works great with OSS... my creative SB Live 5.1 doesn't seem to fare as well, but it might just be because I don't know how to configure it properly [23:47] how's that happening? [23:48] blackorca: my card is Audigy Platinum :P [23:48] clearlooks is nice [23:49] the only reason I even am trying OSS is because ALSA ties programs to linux [23:49] except that it puts a thin blue bar in my firefox tabs [23:49] Action: andarius has an audigy 2 and a SB live 5.1 that work great under alsa :) [23:49] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:49] if you're going to write an application for BSD as well, for example, you'll end up having to have an OSS plugin in the application along with the optional ALSA plugin [23:50] What I had read about OSS4 is it has really good sound quality, etc. but my attempts to install it at the time didn't go well. :P [23:52] fire|bird, I have a slackbuild for it, but it's not polished yet [23:53] leaves kernel modules, sysv init script and some other stuff lying around even after the package is uninstalled, so I have to figure out a way around that before I'd even consider submitting it to slackbuilds.org [23:53] fire|bird, http://manuals.opensound.com/devlists/Linux.html it lists your card [23:54] droog_ (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left ##slackware. [23:55] if ALSA works for you, you should probably just keep using that though, unless you're really bored/curious [23:55] yeah, ALSA's working fine. I've been trying to get ALSA + JACK going, but no luck so far. [23:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:56] amazon10x: I have no idea how that's happening, but something isn't right. :P [23:56] does anyone in here receive support for slackware? [23:56] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "went to to the gym to get buff and all i got was stinky :(" [23:57] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:57] recieve how? [23:57] pay for it? [23:57] isn't that the point of the channel? [23:57] Action: SiegeX makes the catch [23:57] touchdown! [23:57] I call FUMBLE. [23:57] hi how come in slack 13.0 the kde4 the desktop is "locked" if I copy any files to the desktop I dont see them. In kde 3.x on slack 12.2 i never had those problems. It is like the desktop is locked [23:57] just wondering [23:57] TwinReverb: i get support all the time [23:57] Benjsh__, check your desktop config [23:57] ask fire|bird i ask a lot of questions [23:58] Reticenti: that's ptuting it lightly [23:58] i did [23:58] Reticenti: yeah, a few more and you'll set a record. [23:58] Reticenti is writing a book on "questions that I asked, and set a record for" [23:58] :D [23:58] TwinReverb: apperance settings? [23:58] Benjsh__, i'm not sure but it's got to be in there [23:58] i'm jsut trying to understand linux.. [23:58] Benjsh__: Are you refreshing the Desktop view after copying files there? [23:59] yes [23:59] this is why i'm wondering: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-x-with-intel-gives-artifacts-752779/ [23:59] Benjsh__: If you open dolphin and go to the Desktop folder, does the stuff you copied show up there? [00:00] --- Wed Sep 16 2009