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[00:19] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:20] what is the notation for day of the week in a format like %d %m %Y? [00:22] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:24] kickback: I think that requires a little more context. [00:24] Also, is anyone else using a radeon RV6xx on -current w/ KMS/DRI2? [00:24] eviljames: you see, my fluxbox panel has a section on the right for date and time [00:24] or just a radeon using kms/dri2 [00:25] it uses the format %d for day of the month, %m for the month, etc. etc [00:25] i think its a standard notation in many places [00:25] kickback: in date's manpage,%a or %A for full [00:25] MLanden: thanks. thats it [00:26] kickback: np [00:26] now i wont have to use the cal command to look up the day of the week :P [00:27] hey eviljames i was using a radeon hd 4200 with current using opensource drivers but they were too slow and couldn't enable kde effects so i went back to stable [00:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.107.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] deco: Sounds like exactly what I'm experiencing atm. The previous xf86-video-ati had no kms support, was somewhat faster, but had artifacting issues. [00:31] Now the artifacting is gone, but they're super slow in some places, video flickers... it's noticable but not really something I can place my finger on what's precisely wrong. [00:31] kde effects work here, though. [00:32] eviljames: ah okay , i have kms enabled right now with stable [00:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-14.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:33] kms on 13.1? or on current? [00:33] eviljames: 13.1 [00:34] I didn't think that 13.1 was kms-able [00:34] it is [00:34] eviljames: i just enabled the radeon module i use to recompile the kernel to enable the radeon kms driver thing but too lazy :p [00:34] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:22] his = bush's [01:23] Really, all the money he's spending with no results? [01:23] are you fucking serious ? [01:23] bush spent a trillion dollars on bullshit wars [01:23] everything collapsed under bush, what do you want obama to do? he's following through on some campaign promises like FUCKING HEALTH CARE and the war. [01:24] get a clue lame shit [01:24] yay flame war [01:24] you probably dont even pay taxes, it's the poorest redneck trash that mostly complains about obama "spending" [01:24] All fiascos we can't afford, we'll see how it plays out [01:24] your tax dollars aren't helping us. [01:24] ok, make bush's tax cut perm. [01:24] pay as you go, try it one day [01:24] I pay quite a bit in taxes actually, and I work for a living and pay my own way thank you [01:25] Bugz, a lot of people think they pay quite a bit in taxes. [01:25] I'm not rich, but its a good chunk of my income, I take no hand outs [01:25] that's right, your banking buddies take handouts [01:26] Actually, they're teamed up with the Dems [01:26] yup, i bet you dont pay more than 3k a year for taxes. [01:26] its always the people paying NOTHING who complain the most. [01:27] tea party eh? where was the tea party when bush lied to go to war and spent a trillion on it ? [01:27] where was it ? [01:27] oh, it only formed when a black guy became president [01:27] there were books written about obama being a communist and socialist before he took office. [01:27] After return, I paid about $12,000, more if you include the wife, $400 to service our nations debt [01:27] wonderful. [01:27] i like where this discussion is heading [01:28] I hate to say it, but jeev's bang-on. [01:28] Is the running tally for Iraq $1T or is it actually higher now? [01:28] Bugz, my family of four paid 20 times more than you two did. you know what ? once we were poor. [01:28] so bite me [01:29] k, idiotic pissing contest about who pays more taxes [01:29] should end. because i'll win. I'm CANADIAN. Tax-&-Tax socialists up here [01:29] eviljames, just trying to let him know, he is nothing. [01:29] jeev: you're not much more than that. [01:29] I love libs, ignorant and offensive [01:30] But you're both still more real than the reasons for bankrupting a country on a decade long pointless war in Iraq. [01:30] Bugz, i love idiots, err republitea's. stupid, ignorant and even more ignorant. [01:30] isn't there a politics channel on freenode? [01:30] mshade (~mshade@pool-70-110-27-248.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] mancha, they shut it down. [01:30] mancha: there's ##slackware-offtopic [01:30] Which seems like it would be a reasonable place to move this discussion to. [01:30] Bugz_, might i add. liars too. [01:30] Bugz_: that's the way it seems [01:31] eviljames: yeah, good way to exclude people [01:31] nyRednek, dont you get a hand out right now ? [01:31] trolls trollin' trolls [01:31] Personally, libs = godless to me, and I'm out [01:31] hah [01:31] Bugz_, enjoy your trailer [01:31] godless? Of all the things that should be considered offensive, religion is the king. [01:32] nyRednek: ? I don't particularly care to exclude anyone? [01:32] i heard charles rangel won his primary. nice to see the voters didn't let insignificant things like ethics get in the way :) [01:32] nyRednek: I've been afk for some months now [01:32] remember, gold told bush to invade iraq. that's not extremism but 19 "muslims" err, israeli jews who did 9/11 were. [01:32] mancha: hahah since when have voters cared about ethics? [01:32] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:33] eviljames hah [01:33] mancha: I suppose prior to nixon, seems like the approximate turning point to me... [01:34] bnguyen (~bnguyen@210.245.12.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:34] "i just want to take back my country, they've taken away my privacy!" right, obama took away your privacy. stupid ignorant [01:35] eviljames who knows what the pre nixon guys got away with and nobody ever knew [01:35] eviljames, makes me want to send them tit enlarging and dick enlarging pills and charge away at their medical. you know the trash will pay for anything beck says. beck brand cock enlargers [01:35] mancha: Ah, good call. [01:36] Well, we've lowered the level of discourse in here to something resembling a mudfight. [01:36] Anyone want to get into a "why does xf86-video-ati slow down under kms?" discussion [01:36] eviljames, take yourself off the pedestal [01:36] eviljames: me ! [01:36] slow down as defined by what benchmarks? [01:36] jeev: nah, the view is nice from up here :P [01:36] eviljames, at least close your snatch [01:37] mancha: If you find a good way to benchmark performance outside of "it feels sluggish" please let me know. [01:37] yes, run the mesa demos [01:37] teapot is a good one [01:38] i've not noticed a sluggishness with radeon+kms (vs radeon+ums). [01:39] mancha: on current or 13.1 ? [01:39] neither [01:39] it was aweful on current for some reason :/ [01:40] I just did the last round of 64-current updates, and I have some -sluggishness- but performance isn't overall BAD. [01:40] hrmmm, sounds like a regression in something that was updated [01:40] ie: yakuake, there's a ~500ms pause as it draws it coming down from the top, but after that pause it's fine. [01:40] what got updated on the video side of things? [01:40] uhh, kernel, xorg-server, xf86-video were in my last batch, but I hadn't done any updates since august [01:41] Which had the unfortunate xf86-video-ati artifacting issue in UMS [01:41] ah ok, so the driver in -current sounds a bit funky. what version? [01:41] Same thing when having auto-hide on the kde panel enabled. When the panel goes to draw, there's a brief pause - the animation still happens but the rendering is late. [01:41] 6.13 [01:42] weird, that is what i have [01:42] no issues here [01:42] mancha: which card do you have ? [01:42] i think it is r700 [01:42] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450] [01:42] that's me. [01:42] oh mine is R600 [01:44] something sounds off, the kms branch is actively worked on (vs the ums which is not). i wouldn't expect these problems. [01:44] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.25.201) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:44] Action: mrcarrot thinks ati == trouble [01:44] i have ati in my laptop at work too [01:44] and just troubles [01:45] if you backtrack the DDX do you still have issues? [01:47] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.2, revision: 4740, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-08-08 18:29:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [01:47] mrcarrot: how's your ideas for the competition coming along? [01:47] MLanden: no progress yet... :( [01:48] but i have still a few weeks time to think [01:48] have you been coming up with some nice ideas, MLanden? [01:49] mrcarrot: unfortunately,no...sorry [01:50] mrcarrot: but this came to mind http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse [01:50] anyone decent with wine issues? [01:52] Why am I getting these errors? [01:52] http://slackbuild.pastebin.com/MWLeHqd4 [01:52] This is building the kvm SlackBuild package [01:52] the module is not happy with your newer kernel [01:54] Linux #darkstar 2.6.33.4-smp #2 SMP Wed May 12 22:47:36 CDT 2010 i686 [01:54] mancha: I may do some troubleshooting in the morning, tonight is just griping :P [01:55] asarch are you using a slackbuilds for 13.1? [01:55] Yes, I am [01:55] 13.1/system/kvm.tar.gz [01:56] It seems to be a bug, isn't it? [01:56] yes but that is weird because SBo is very careful about testing. [01:57] anyways, it is code for pre .33 kernels this is the issue. are you sure you're using the right build for 13.1 (check again). [01:58] I'm doing: KERNELVERSION=2.6.33.4 ./kvm.SlackBuild [02:00] This one: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/kvm/ [02:00] is that the 13.1 default kernel or your own? [02:02] The default one [02:02] ok then yes it looks like a bad build, i'd let the maintainer or some SBo authority know. weird though. [02:03] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:03] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:05] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:06] Thank you very much mancha [02:06] Thank you [02:07] Down with tax cuts for the wealthy. [02:10] dissociative (~alejandro@adsl190-28-148-123.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:12] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:15] byteframe [02:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAC2xeT2yOg [02:15] Boenher, woot. [02:15] "this is the boenher birthday song, it's not to long" [02:15] oompa loompa distributing bribery checks from big tobacco ON the floor [02:15] HEY! [02:16] asarch (~asarch@187.132.140.62) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:16] Someone else here is with me on him being an actual drunk [02:16] and then saying he's sorry and he didn't violate any rules. [02:16] fuck, i thought i was talking to a normal person [02:16] oh,thought you were a drunk [02:16] utoob boenher birthday song [02:16] the guy admits he handed out the checks lol and then says it wasn't illegal and it's probably not the place to put it [02:16] na im lazy [02:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skdwrdVSjjo [02:18] lol [02:18] Michael steele is my favorite republican. [02:19] dont know much about him [02:20] Oh, he's great. [02:21] There is nothing fresh or surprising about Rep. John Boehner (R-OH), the would-be Speaker, a figure so closely associated with corporate special interests that he looks, sounds and behaves exactly like a lobbyist. He golfs, drinks, smokes, and maintains am unusually bronzed complexion, thanks to company jets that whisk him away to his favorite Florida resorts. He seems as if he could have stepped straight out of Thank You for Smoking, Christopher Buckley [02:21] lol [02:21] Prefect_ (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [02:21] Spot on. [02:21] Smoking and K Street, of course, evoke the memory of Mr. Boehner's first big moment in national politics almost 15 years ago, when he performed a cameo as the tobacco industry's bagman. Back then, ascending the leadership ladder as chairman of the House Republican Conference, he was spotted handing out checks from the Brown & Williamson tobacco company on the House floor. This spectacle of corruption was so blatant that even some members of Congress were [02:21] He's actually quite old, and has dazzling hair. [02:22] HELL NO YOU CANT STOP ME FROM TAKING AND HANDING OUT BRIBES! [02:22] aren't there ops who can control this? [02:22] If the democrats could take any trash, they might not get it so bad. [02:22] mancha, i dont think ops can control Boehner [02:23] mancha: they're busy taking bribes [02:23] s/take/talk [02:23] mancha, if ops could've stopped Boehner and his bribiness, why wouldn't they back then ? [02:24] i wish the ops were awake, this is obnoxious scroll in a slackware channel. [02:24] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [02:24] R's basically lost a senate seat, and the bestiality-email governor also won a primary. [02:24] waaa [02:26] byteframe, we should stop. mancha has more power than sarah palin. let's talk about slackpkg [02:27] You blew our spot with the caps. [02:28] na man that guy bitches about everything. [02:28] plus, Alan_Hicks is a severe john boehner fan. we should lay off him, i think they go to the same tanning salon [02:30] wtf is a 'meme' [02:30] its an idea [02:31] lol how had i never heard of that [02:31] Action: jeev needs to brush up on his vobabualaritorious [02:32] it can also be considered a theme [02:32] like lolcats are a popular internet meme [02:32] JUst to make sure [02:32] slack does have a cross compiler and is multilib? [02:32] or I Do have the option to make it as such right? [02:33] you can make it so, but multilib is for 64bit systems that run 32bit legacy code [02:33] Okay [02:33] eh heh [02:33] THere are some 32 bit apps I wanna use though [02:33] i couldn't use leetnux without a cc [02:33] WINE, zsnes, Skype, possibly flash if I can't get gnash and or lightspark to work :/ [02:34] or maybe after trying gnash and lightspark [02:34] Although [02:34] i thought there was a 64bit version of wine [02:34] lightspark is still in development [02:34] there is [02:34] but its not as compatible as [02:34] the 32 bit version [02:34] Because it only works with 64 bit apps [02:35] YOu can have both in your system I believe though :/ [02:35] could be, its not something i use myself [02:37] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [02:38] i think more people use 64bit out of fashion more then function [02:38] Ah [02:39] i am running i386 version on an amd64... because of less trouble [02:39] huh [02:39] you mean [02:39] chroot? [02:39] you could run i686 [02:39] :) [02:39] of course [02:40] i386 has the widest compatibility [02:40] augh, I could never get a chrooted system to work right :/ [02:40] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-167.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:40] have you been mounting /dev /proc [02:40] and sys? [02:41] mount -o bind /dev /chroot_folder/dev [02:41] and the same for the other ones [02:41] I don't know, I mostly followed some instructions on a wiki back when I used arch, it never worked out. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch64_Install_bundled_32bit_system [02:42] from the look of the script, I say, possibly? But I don't exactly know how to use bash except for a few commands :/ [02:42] arch >:( [02:42] hmm, whats wrong with arch? [02:43] :/ [02:44] i tried it once... and it was a real pain. way too much work to get it up. when you install xorg you do not even get support for keyboard and mouse but you have to manually install packages even for them [02:44] Huh [02:44] with slackware the packages are few, but contains a lot [02:44] I just installed xorg, hal, nvidia drivers and i was done o-o [02:44] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:44] in arch many packages with little content [02:44] too much picking of packages [02:45] i like slackware because i get it really fast up and running without reading any manual and it is stable [02:45] Ah [02:45] with arch, you have to read the manual [02:45] they try to make it simple but they make it over complicated [02:45] But, didn't you read a manual when you first installed arch [02:45] yes, i did [02:45] and i did get it running [02:45] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422611.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [02:46] nor did I find it too difficult, insert disk, minus the partitioning the rest was 'cake' [02:46] but it is nothing i install at home [02:46] >_> I want cake [02:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422611.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:46] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-180-22.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:46] i am working with computers the whole days and the last thing i want to do at home is to fight with my own computer [02:47] Although I admit, I didn't exactly modify too many config except what was absolutely necessary since I'm still 'noobish' :/ [02:47] AH [02:47] dammit its hard to watch porn with this jittery flash video! :/ [02:47] gabriel (1000@190.162.34.84) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:48] at least its not gentoo D: [02:48] (in terms of doc reading) [02:48] i have been trying gentoo too, and it really reminded me of gentoo [02:49] The arch compared to other distros page seems to suggests that is normal [02:49] I think some of the devs used to be gentoo users too, idk? [02:49] even the syntax for their package management system was in my eyes pervers and uneccessary complicated [02:49] of course it was working still [02:49] agreed on that front [02:49] pacman -Syu <- HTF does that mean "upgrade my system" [02:50] even ubuntu's apt-get upgrade (or whatever the syntax is) is more clear. [02:50] Syu [02:50] System Update [02:50] hell, OpenSolaris': pkg image-update [02:50] -S is for synchronize, y is something else, u is update [02:50] they simply make things too complicated... because they think simple=many choices and options [02:50] or thats how I took it [02:51] okay, synchonize and update then lol [02:51] if a single command is going to have sub commands, they should be damn well human readable. see git(1) [02:51] lol [02:51] slackpkg update [02:51] slackpkg upgrade-all [02:51] that is simple! [02:51] and easy to remember, no manual for each update [02:52] :/ I never forget because I updated that system weekly [02:52] I should probably start using slackpkg, sure beats my rsync -azPv [mirror]/slackware64-current . && cd slackware64-current/slackware && upgradepkg --install-new **/*t?z [02:52] WTF IS THAT D: [02:52] :) [02:52] how things were done before slackpkg [02:52] heh, us old folks (yeah, late 20s is old these days :P) do it that way. [02:52] WTF IS THAT!? D: You guys aren't humans, how can you rememebr all that! D: *flails* [02:53] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@112.202.241.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:53] how do I remember 3 commands, rsync, cd and upgradepkg ? [02:53] LOL, well of course when you say it that way [02:53] repetition or scroll back [02:53] even though i most of the time took down the few packages i wanted by ftp and then used upgradepkg [02:53] Edogaa: Step 1, use a zsh instead of bash [02:54] then learn to tab complete _EVERYTHING_, then learn what Ctrl-R does [02:54] >_> lol [02:54] <3 c-r [02:54] a really good invention [02:54] i am using it all the time [02:54] yuh [02:54] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:55] Why not bash? (tends to justu se whatever is the standard in most systems...i.e would just take time to learn csh so he doesn't have to install bash on freebsd systems when he installs it) [02:55] On my system, Ctrl-R rsy = rsync -azPv --delete rsync://[mirror]/slackware64-current . [02:55] that's my most frequently used rsync :P [02:55] c-r is working in bash, Edogaa [02:56] mmm [02:56] i have to confess i like better the history feature of ksh in openbsd rather than the one in bash [02:57] if i have two consoles open, i can scroll up the history in the first and find what i typed in the second console [02:58] in bash i saves the history when you close the shell... and overwrites whatever you been typing in any other consoles [02:58] mrcarrot: that's annoying [02:58] But I do have to admit, I do forget pacman commands a lot, I remember more emerge commands than I do for pacman commands after a week of not using either gentoo or linux :| [02:58] maybe it is possible to configure that for bash too... [02:58] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-119-45.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:59] kickback: the way bash is doing or the way ksh is doing? [03:00] mrcarrot: the way bash does [03:00] 'forgetting' what i'm typing in the other open shell [03:00] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [03:00] yes, i really think that too [03:01] >_> Although, I don't think I'd mind switching to csh after being stuck in a VM console for a while just to well, mess around with my 'web server/testbed' (don't actually own a real webserver btw) [03:01] csh is bad, if you ask me... [03:02] hmmm? [03:02] my preferences are 1. ksh in openbsd, 2. bash 3. zsh [03:02] in that order [03:02] i should maybe try ksh in slackware too [03:03] mrcarrot: ksh is supposed to have gotten a much needed boost for opensolaris... before oracle murdered opensolaris thiat is.. :P [03:03] i'd like to try ksh someday, but bash is working fine right now, and the 'forgetting' thing is not a major concern [03:04] i am using bash on linux because it is standard [03:04] and ksh is standard on openbsd [03:04] I never really kared for it (get it?!), I've been using zsh for so long that I don't bother with other shells much. It's in BSD's ports, it's on every linux system.. [03:05] i am many times leaving sessions open for week or months and zsh starts to behave bad after some time, eating memory etc [03:05] Does bash tab complete URLs yet? [03:05] that is why i prefer bash before zsh [03:05] but otherwise zsh is really nice [03:06] I hadn't noticed zsh chewing memory. [03:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:06] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:07] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@112.202.241.192) joined ##slackware. [03:07] eviljames: not that you would notice on a modern computer but on old ones you do [03:07] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] i am using old junk computers as home "servers" [03:07] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [03:10] my main server is consuming right now 19Mb RAM... and it is having several shells running, alpine and irssi irssi running for many days [03:10] and firewall, printer server etc [03:10] 19MB? Nice work. [03:11] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.180.22) joined ##slackware. [03:11] and bitlbee for msn, icq yahoo etc [03:11] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:11] according to free, I have only 117 of 3948MB free hahah [03:11] Damn you KDE4! [03:11] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [03:12] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:12] 31 MB here on my server [03:12] i have 19/85 Mb in use (85 with buffers and cache) [03:12] i'm using 163 MB of my 3 GB memory right now, with firefox n shit open [03:12] old p3, been using it for 9 years now or something [03:12] My standard approach has always been "throw more hardware at it".. so if I start to actually run out of ram, I'm just gonna buy more [03:12] Ya know what I Dislike, that I've noticed around a lot :| [03:13] Once I break the 16GB mark, that's when I'll start complaining about memory hog programs :P [03:13] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [03:13] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Changing host [03:13] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Quit: You Welcome to join my channel ##Iraqi [03:13] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Action: mrcarrot is not having money for such... that is why he is using old junks [03:13] eviljames: what are you running that consumes almost 4GB of memory? [03:14] When a new linux app comes out that looks 'nice' and has a purpose of another similar app and everyone gets angry at it :\ [03:14] kickback: firefox :/ [03:14] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:14] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:14] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:14] :P [03:14] lol [03:15] free -m [03:15] err [03:15] i just noticed... [03:15] after buffers/cache I'm sitting at 2248 free.. but still that's a really excessive amount of ram usage [03:16] when i close FF with 3 tabs open, and then restart it, it uses 30 MB less memory [03:16] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:16] used 1910 free 6092 [03:16] used 131 free 2892 [03:17] eviljames: ever try blender on it? [03:17] MLanden: I'm not really much of a graphic artist, let alone a 3d modeler.. I play guitar, so ardour has been my baby. [03:18] ... until yesterday when it started segfaulting on me randomly [03:18] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] Action: eviljames unleashes the NERD RAGE [03:18] Action: eviljames also unleashes the DEATH METAL MUSICIAN RAGE [03:18] Action: eviljames crushes skulls [03:19] rafu (~rafu@114-238-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. [03:19] eviljames++ [03:19] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [03:19] damn, i hate editing XML files [03:19] eviljames: ok [03:19] makes me feel bald and impotent [03:20] wyggler2 (mvlewis@pilot.trilug.org) joined ##slackware. [03:21] I think I need to pull a fresh boot on this machine and see how it rolls.. it has been behaving very badly for the last little while. [03:21] atm, I have kde4, yakuake, irssi running... and I'm over the 1.5GB mark for used ram? [03:21] eviljames: did you try turning it off and on again? :P [03:21] surrounder: hahah I rebooted it 3 times! Just like tech support tells me to do! [03:22] hehe [03:22] eviljames: speaking of music apps..been messin' with Bristol...nice to have a synth when a melody hits ya..;) [03:22] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:22] MLanden: totally! [03:23] MLanden: nice, never heard of that one [03:23] MLanden: I've found that a combination of jack, hydrogen, qsynth, tuxguitar and ardour makes my world go 'round [03:23] generally I'll transcribe what I'm doing into tuxguitar, feed that into qsynth and route it through stuff in jack (jack-rack for example) [03:23] then play it back and play against it [03:24] MLanden: its even nicer to have an android device with shazam when that happens :) [03:24] Action: eviljames takes note: shazam [03:24] what is this exquisite thing? [03:24] eviljames: 1.5 GB is too much for what youre running. did you turn on KDE4's "deadly trio" by any chance? ;) [03:24] deadly trio? [03:25] Action: eviljames does the google [03:25] eviljames: akonadi + nepomuk + strigi ;) [03:25] j0z (~JESUS@187.112.142.83) joined ##slackware. [03:25] j0z (~JESUS@187.112.142.83) left irc: Changing host [03:25] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [03:25] v3gard: hehe, I'm glad I downloaded shazam a while ago so I don't have the restriction of X tags a month [03:25] oh hah. I don't think I ever disabled it, even though I'm fairly certain I never use any of 'em. [03:25] eviljames: a fantastic little program that reads sample of a music track, and then figures out the artist/album and track [03:25] v3gard: will never upgrade it again :P [03:25] v3gard: lol...the melody's usually a doodle..but i've seen the app and it's real nice [03:26] surrounder: what?!? restriction of X tags a month? when did that happen? [03:26] v3gard: ahh, not what I'm looking for. I want an android app that will let me compose music on the go. A free one. Open Source is a bonus :P [03:26] eviljames: ah, ok :) [03:26] eviljames: they are on by default and take up all your CPU and memory for 'indexing' [03:27] oh I've long since indexed [03:27] but I just went and disabled nepomuk [03:27] because i don't use the semantic desktop features at all. [03:27] v3gard: 1.8 apparantly [03:27] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:28] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-167.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:28] surrounder: yeah...nice synth engine that has a real nice hammond b3 [03:29] surrounder: i have shazam 2.0.2 myself, and I don't have any restrictions on the amount of tags [03:29] Action: mrcarrot as slackware user is really happy with this channel as it is one of the most social nerd channels i know [03:29] v3gard: hmm ok, strange [03:29] perhaps the restriction only applies to certain geographic locations [03:30] many other channels are almost dead... alot of elit users looking at new users coming in and saying rtfm [03:30] v3gard: http://www.shazam.com/music/html/android/faq.html - search for "5 tags" [03:30] mrcarrot: rtfm [03:30] mrcarrot: heh, there's plenty of RTFM that happens in here. [03:30] mrcarrot: Generally, the 1337 here expect that you've actually considered the problem beforehand and have read the necessary documentation _before_ asking. [03:30] well, i have not had any problem that i would have been asking for help for here, but from what i have been seeing here are almost always some discussions going on [03:31] or maybe i have been asking, do not remember... mostly coming here because here are similar nerds [03:31] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [03:32] but beware. there are godless socialists around. [03:32] ...like me. [03:32] socialist!? [03:32] surrounder: lol, when i select "payment status" in the shazam settings, it says that "you have paid for shazam and have unlimited tagging and full features" [03:32] v3gard: haha, sweet [03:32] surrounder: weird thing is that i haven't even paid them a nickle [03:32] i had heard a lot about this channel being full of 'elitist' nerds, but i've never seen that [03:32] It's true. [03:32] v3gard: ah well, good for you :) I just don't upgrade, I love my unlimited tags [03:32] I'm one of them. [03:33] Action: v3gard burps and scratches his ass [03:33] all my stupid queries get answered instantly :P [03:33] some might think i am an "elitist" as i am always saying my opinion about everything and i always have opinions. [03:33] kickback: what you've heard then is from people who ask things like "how do I cahnge dirs at the command line?" and then get annoyed when they're told to rtfm [03:33] but honstly i am saying my opinion as i want to see how other react and to check if i am right [03:34] eviljames: yeah, probably [03:34] can you be a self-proclaimed 'elitist' or does someone have to give you the title first? [03:34] v3gard: STFU. [03:34] many times have been changing opinion when i have been shown to be wrong [03:34] similar to the old-skool 'hacker' [03:34] v3gard: shut up you elitist nerd [03:34] kickback: ty :) [03:35] v3gard: Conversely, if someone declares you a [fill in the blank] do you have to keep that title? [03:35] if so, I am a number of awesome, and a much larger number of unsavory, things. [03:35] lol [03:35] haha [03:35] "hello, my name is eviljames and i am a [unsavory thing]" :p [03:35] v3gard: dude, beware of hackers. they gonna kill you [03:36] http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/7b/USNEWSHACKERSCOMPUTERSBOMBS.jpg [03:36] imo, you become a hacker the day another hacker is saying you are one [03:36] wow... just ... wow. [03:36] not when a school kid says it without knowing anything about computers [03:36] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] mrcarrot: either you are or you are not a hacker, the title itself is meaningless. [03:36] kickback: lol [03:36] it is either in your nature or it is not. [03:37] Action: eviljames goes zen/yoda [03:37] eviljames: yeah, that sounds about right [03:37] for instance, eviljames is *not* a hacker, let alone an elitist one [03:37] /hides [03:37] Action: surrounder throws a snail at adrien [03:37] OTOH, adrien *is* a transgender midget riding a black nazi unicorn :/ [03:37] rofl [03:37] Action: mrcarrot hides behind his screen [03:37] surrounder: got garlic too? [03:38] eviljames: honestly, I wouldn't mind xD [03:38] i thought nazis were supposed to be red, not black [03:38] or was that russian army that was red? i dont remember [03:39] russians xD [03:39] Mowah (1000@c-a58fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:39] speaking about russians... russian sour cucoumber is really tasty [03:39] cucumber [03:40] Action: mrcarrot has been making a few buckets for himself with recips he has been finding on internet [03:40] bah, don't want to go to school [03:40] i wonder if that image i linked to is from an actual publication [03:41] it's an oooold one [03:41] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:41] but I don't know what it comes from [03:41] it says 'weekly world news' [03:41] white russians ain't that bad either [03:42] mrcarrot: sorta like shchi,even though that's a soup [03:43] reisio (~reisio@unaffiliated/reisio) joined ##slackware. [03:43] that again [03:43] reisio (reisio@unaffiliated/reisio) left ##slackware ("Why iiiiissss his head so big!"). [03:43] mrcarrot: meant that as a question..;) [03:43] MLanden: you make it water, salt, dill, black currant leaves spices... but without vinegar and preservants. after being out in the room a few days they start to become sour. and then after a month or two they are ready [03:43] lol i go to weeklyworldnews.com and the title says "The world's only reliable news" XD [03:44] ph8 (ph8@85.234.155.91) left irc: Changing host [03:44] ph8 (ph8@unaffiliated/ph8) joined ##slackware. [03:44] sorry kids, that image is fake :P [03:45] mrcarrot: cool...sounds like that would be good with a bit a smoked meat [03:45] kickback: certainly as reliable as fox! :P [03:45] yes, and together with raw onion or garlic it is really delicious [03:45] and some sour cream [03:46] mrcarrot: how does the room smell afterwards? [03:46] eviljames: it is not smelling much [03:46] you keep it in a bucket with a lose cap on [03:46] VERY reliable. http://weeklyworldnews.com/celebs/4783/megan-fox-is-a-man/ [03:47] lol [03:47] i do not want to click on the link [03:47] There's absolutely no law in America that says what gets reported on the news has to be _true_. [03:47] same here :P [03:47] So maybe Megan fox really is a man. Lady Gaga certainly is. [03:48] or was... or might still be half of one anyhow.. [03:48] makes one think...know there's such thing as a chilihead..wonder if the same is true for a sourhead..;*) [03:48] i like sour grapes [03:49] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) joined ##slackware. [03:50] i have a bit of bad stomach, too much stress, so i can not eat vinegar [03:50] that made me try the russian cucumbers [03:51] of all the shit... ardour-2.8.11[10257]: segfault at 1c02a500 ip 00007fb03e7a9679 sp 00007ffffabd4280 error 4 in libz.so.1.2.5[7fb03e7a3000+16000] [03:51] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:52] _tecra (~fake.emai@70-36-146-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] eviljames: any other jack apps segfault? [03:53] MLanden: none that I've noticed yet [03:53] grazymax (~grazymax@host157-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:55] !"#¤%&/ again!!! i really hate vista! a customers computer is loading each time a temporary profile in stead of the right one. i would not want to backup and delete the profiles and create them again. [03:56] Action: mrcarrot has to work. hopefully he is finding a solution to this pervers problem [03:56] eviljames: any hints with gdb? [03:58] mrcarrot: you can set a default session to open [03:58] Action: mrcarrot really wonders why his customers at all bought vista... why do they need a such crap??!!!1 [03:58] adrien: how? [03:58] eviljames: updated libz but haven't recompiled ardour? [03:59] mrcarrot: can't remember, but there's a way in the registry [03:59] Action: adrien late for school [03:59] lol at the latest security fix :P [04:00] adrien: fresh ardour build [04:01] MLanden: haven't done any gdb on it yet [04:01] adrien: &%¤#"!"#¤%& rogntudju!!!!!!1111111111111. That was a real pain and a loss for the company. still having a computer that i have been reinstalling twice because the updates destroyed everything. [04:01] 3well, recompile without stripping then :P [04:01] is the latest security fix "Removed sudo as it is a security hole" ? [04:02] 09:54 CIA-86 : slackware64-current-changelog: The last sudo packages accidentally changed the permissions on /var from [04:02] 09:54 CIA-86 : slackware64-current-changelog: 755 to 700. This build restores the proper permissions. [04:02] hahah [04:02] ah, adrien i thought you meant the last vista security update [04:02] heh, no ;-) [04:02] but in xp, windows update could break the system [04:03] basically, the safe way to update was to reboot after each update [04:03] adrien: not as badly as in vista [04:03] I guess that if you installed two updates working over the same files without rebooting, *bam* [04:03] vista does it right [04:03] but it takes MMMMUUUUCCCCHHHHHHH longer [04:03] hasta la vista! [04:03] gotta go [04:04] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [04:04] newslacker (root@72-161-74-77.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [04:06] Security: mozilla, yes, all their products [04:06] lol [04:08] Mowah (1000@c-a58fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:08] morning lads o/ [04:08] heya phrag [04:10] dTd (~dTd@d-206-53-68-12.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:11] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Channel Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | Stats: http://phra.gs:8000/ || http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | http://slackware.com/getslack | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Slackware 13.1 Released | Security: mozilla*, samba, sudo. [04:11] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [04:12] 550 /pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/patches/packages/sudo-1.7.4p4-i486-1_slack13.1.txz: No such file or directory [04:13] the sudo package is unavailable, at ftp.slackware.com and also the mirror [04:13] but sudo-redo is available [04:14] oh wait, nvm [04:15] heh [04:16] i'm an idiot for not reading the actual advisory [04:20] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:20] kickback: it should be -2 as it has been rebuilt [04:20] sahko: yeah, i figured. thanks though [04:23] nodet (~chatzilla@117.206.18.246) joined ##slackware. [04:23] the human species is an interesting species [04:23] :D [04:25] certain cheractersitics of the human species modulates me [04:26] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:26] nickname changes will be hidden says phrag [04:26] slackware 13.1 releas3ed says soomeone else [04:26] i say we as a species should find more chicks [04:26] yay!!!!!!!!!11111 [04:27] wut? [04:27] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-141.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:29] patches/packages/sudo-1.7.4p4-i486-2_slack13.1.txz: Rebuilt. [04:29] The last sudo packages accidentally changed the permissions on /var from 755 to 700. This build restores the proper permissions. [04:29] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:35] nice [04:35] i wish life had some sort of "confirmation " [04:35] yes . then it would really nice [04:36] uncertainity is killing the fuck out of me about everything that surrounds me [04:36] :| [04:36] it would be nice to go back and make better choices [04:37] amen! [04:38] i dislike redhat for some reason :/ [04:38] OH right, now I Remember, pulseaudio lol [04:39] ah yes [04:39] pulse [04:40] ppppppuuls [04:43] i really dont like this alsa, pulseaudio, phonon mess [04:43] indeed [04:43] they should have been sticking to oss [04:43] I don't think I have much of an issue with phonon? :\ Or at least its never caused me a problem [04:43] I heard back in the OSS days people wanted alsa to become the standard when it started getting more hardware support and became overall better [04:43] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:44] Phonon/alsa works fine for me as well [04:44] back at the oss days everything worked [04:44] Edogaa: alsa is linux only crap [04:44] Although, I kind of wish cross unix compatibility was more of a focus with these drivers since there [04:44] would be more reason to use freebsd otherwise >_>;; (likes how well documented FreeBSD is lol) [04:44] its just that there are too many, when there isnt anything wrong with one or the other [04:45] blame the GPL hippies [04:45] I hear alsa has bad documentation :/? [04:45] And is hell to program with >_>? [04:45] freebsd is just good in theory, imo. it has become really buggy [04:45] sound in linux is not good and has been for years [04:45] hmm [04:45] back in 4.x days i prefered freebsd over anything else [04:45] but not anymore [04:45] ah [04:46] graphic cards not working, usb not working [04:46] :/ [04:46] and a long list more [04:46] wouldn't most of that be blamed at the larger development focused on Linux only? [04:46] it was great and i am sad that it happened [04:46] at least on the graphics card [04:46] can't say much on the USB issue :/ [04:47] netbsd died more or less... a few half stable versions coming out very seldom [04:47] the only bsd that is working nowdays really well is openbsd [04:47] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:47] That's because companies dominate the graphics scene - and they go where the money is: Windows first, MacOS second, Linux a way distant third, and actual unix hah [04:47] who uses gfx cards on an actual unix system?! :P [04:47] not me [04:47] :/ [04:47] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:47] but i want something else than a black screen [04:47] me neither [04:47] THats why I hate the fact that the closed source drivers are currently at the top [04:48] mrcarrot: just ssh to the box like a normal person [04:48] jeez [04:48] in freebsd i can not even get x running on my intel card [04:48] Not a GPL hippie [04:48] but when it gets this bad for other systems [04:48] its rather infuriating :/ [04:48] i'm a GPL hippie [04:48] what has angry people acheieved [04:48] Action: mrcarrot is using openbsd and slackware because both are working well regardless of license [04:49] Action: surrounder passes kickback a guiter to sing coombaya around the campfire [04:49] *guitar [04:49] Action: mrcarrot grabs the guitar before kickback and starts to play [04:49] nothing nothing and more nothing [04:49] :/ If nouveau ever gets decent 3D support [04:49] sighs [04:49] Action: kickback doesnt know how to play a guitar anyway [04:49] I'll switch to it [04:49] Also, there is another more irritating problem [04:49] FLASH. [04:50] YEAH! [04:50] flash is an issue on everything that's not Windows [04:50] fuck flash and people who use it on their website [04:50] YES! [04:50] surrounder: its a mess even on windows :/ [04:50] Actually, I Still enjoy flash animations that are made by actual artists... lol [04:50] The problem I get with it is...well the mass usage of it :/ [04:51] Worst thing ever: flash-only websites. [04:51] MMm [04:51] If it doesn't work in lynx, the site is fundamentally broken. [04:51] LOL! [04:51] i love flash only websites. makes it easier to weed out idiots [04:51] I don't think lynx support html5, and CSS3 though? [04:51] Not like other browsers do... [04:51] kickback: hehe, so true [04:51] css? [04:51] but I don't see lynx implementing those fully [04:52] who needs it? I don't even care for graphics, just give me the info I want or fuck off. [04:52] ANd yes lynx does have some css support if you use it with some other plugin...or am I thinking of links? [04:52] links -g works awesomely well from the framebuffer [04:52] :/ [04:52] what a frikin head ache [04:53] i think i need a sleep [04:53] nodet: join the club, feel crappy as hell [04:56] i'm thinking of making a list of 'companies to avoid / boycott' based on their websites [04:56] if there are more javascript / flash effeects than actual information, boycott [04:57] :\ [04:57] if it has the 'use with internet explorer with resolution xxx * xxx' disclaimer at the botom, then boycott [04:57] Oh yes, I agree with the last point FULLY [04:57] XD [04:58] worst parti s, a few colleges or at least the one I go to basically uses 'coursecompass' for remedial math which is a site thats usable only in IE! D: [04:58] or at least to use the webapp it self :/ [04:58] if it tries to open the 'take this important survey' popup when you try to download a device driver, then boycott [04:58] XD! [04:59] Morn [05:00] oh, i forgot, boycott if it has the 'this website is under construction' banner for more than 3 days [05:01] idiots [05:01] :\ [05:01] MEh, I think in some cases (not all) that would be rather extreme reasons to boycott [05:02] yeah, i know, but we gotta teach them a lesson :P [05:03] The only reason I agree with the IE one is because I tend to believe the web is supposed to be 'open'. The lynx incompatibility would depend on the purpose of the site, if for entertainment purposes then I don't fcare too much, if meant to spread information than the site should work on lynx :/ [05:04] yeah, and any browser other than IE [05:05] its especially worse when government websites say this shit. I mean, do i have install windows just to pay my electricity bill online? :/ [05:05] mmm [05:06] It sucks that its usually 'important' websites that do this or important enough for it to effect you negatively. :/ [05:08] grazymax (~grazymax@host157-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:10] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [05:13] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:13] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [05:14] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [05:15] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:15] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [05:21] grazymax (~grazymax@host210-86-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:22] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.240.215) joined ##slackware. [05:23] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Which is the file that reads all the rc.* files? [05:25] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:26] thumbs (1000@unaffiliated/thumbs) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:26] Slobad: init [05:28] alienBOB, So has Slackware been set up by Patrick and others to looks at all these rc.* files rather than the files other distributions would otherwise look for? i.e. rc.mysqld wouldn't work on another distribution? [05:30] Slobad: ? [05:31] Slobad: every distro has its own rules. [05:31] Slackware uses an init system that is a bit different than what otehr distributions implemented later on (SysV). As such, you could take Slackware's rc.mysqld and rename it in order to use it on some other distro - but I see no point in trying that [05:32] pupit, that is what I was after. Just wanted to know if having learned how this works, if that knowledge was transferable to other distributions. [05:32] Certainly the _knowledge_ of init systems is transferable. The implementation not per se [05:33] sadly :/ [05:33] The init program reads /etc/inittab and starts the boot script based on what it finds there [05:33] Edogaa: I see no sadness there [05:36] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.56.20) joined ##slackware. [05:38] downst (~rfore@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Slobad: Slackware's works.. but you will go to other distros, look at what they have and exclaim: "what the hell is this mess?! It doesnt have to be this complicated and messy; I know because Slackware's isn't" [05:40] Some more than others. [05:41] The debian config files were rather messy in comparison to arches... [05:41] at least to me they were ;/ [05:41] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [05:42] grazymax (~grazymax@host210-86-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:43] i don't know about gentoo's, considering you have rc-update for daemons and only need to update etc whenever it is you last updated which isn't too often so its like I don't know for sure how 'messy' iti s lol [05:43] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:46] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [05:46] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:46] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-141.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:47] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [05:51] lol [05:52] messy statement. [05:52] anyone who writes such a messy sentence can't be trusted to judge messiness. [05:53] mancha: capital a pls. [05:53] :D [05:54] anyone who writes such A messy sentence can't be trusted to judge messiness. [05:54] no lol! [05:54] Anyone <- not messy [05:55] Anyone who writes such A messy sentence cAn't be trusted to judge messiness. [05:55] correct :D [05:59] grazymax (~grazymax@host243-37-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:00] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:01] Hi. Can anyone suggest a good keyboard ? [06:01] thumbs (1000@unaffiliated/thumbs) joined ##slackware. [06:02] hAve you seen those Apple Aluminum deAls? they're quite snAzzy. [06:04] Action: mrcarrot does not care about keyboards as long as they are working without bothering me [06:04] i am using whatever cheap working keyboard i find [06:04] and definitely with wire [06:06] yeAh, if you Are security conscious then bluetooth keyboArds Are probAbly not the best though with Auditory surveillAnce even wired kb's Are vulnerAble. [06:07] knut_: i'm partial to the new flat dell keyboards [06:09] nodet (~chatzilla@117.206.18.246) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:09] nodet_ (~chatzilla@117.206.18.246) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Nick change: nodet_ -> nodet [06:10] i like keyboards that are noisy as hell [06:11] thanks ananke, I'll have to check that out [06:11] knut_: at first it may feel odd, but after few days you'd be wondering why would people still use those old raised keyboards [06:12] one wonder why those cloth roll-em-up kb's never caught on. [06:12] wonders* [06:12] in fact, we've been buying those as default keyboards now, and every single person really likes them. they require less effort to hit keys [06:13] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-16-227.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:13] ananke: I kind of adapt quickly to any keyboard. In just one or two I can even switch between a qwerty layout and azerty one. [06:13] >_> [06:13] *hours [06:13] I can judge messy :| [06:13] Action: Edogaa kicks kickback [06:13] D: [06:13] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-168-198.bur.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:13] why? [06:14] for saying I can't judge messy :| [06:14] i didn't, mancha did [06:14] oh [06:14] whoops [06:14] i just did the caps :P [06:15] Action: Edogaa kicks mancha. [06:15] Okay, there :| [06:15] hmm anyone here experience with openvz, lxc or both ? debating which one to try out :P [06:16] tsuyoi (panda@unaffiliated/akmal) joined ##slackware. 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[06:34] thumbs (1000@unaffiliated/thumbs) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:34] pete` (~user@016.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:34] why the hell is zorepunctuation so reluctant to play on linuk argh [06:35] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [06:35] downst (~rfore@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:36] jrodger (~jrodger@27-32-19-10.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:36] I'm such a goose...... [06:37] jrodger, LOL [06:37] I was having issues (well, so I thought) with rdesktop and it was the other end.......D'Oh! (slaps forhead fervently!) [06:38] do that again! [06:38] *WHACK!* [06:38] Action: mrcarrot wants to slap ballmer with a trout [06:39] Action: mancha chants: developers, developers, developers [06:39] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) joined ##slackware. [06:39] mrcarrot, only a trout? and what did the trout do? [06:39] i have so in my nerves because of vista... and poor little me ending up to fix their problems [06:41] mrcarrot: there's a new permanent fix for Vista.......format c: /u /s [06:42] uhmm, just use windows 7 instead [06:42] lol [06:43] ananke: if the customers wants to buy, yes [06:43] it's certainly a vast improvement over vista [06:43] even better, there's an OS called Linux, get the silly MS drones to use that.......! [06:43] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:43] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-22-173.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:43] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:43] jrodger: there is no OS called Linux, if you really want to get picky about it [06:44] not to mention, people who use windows are not drones, despite what your basement dwelling zealots may want you to believe [06:44] Edogaa (~Animeking@adsl-64-175-129.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:45] v4nelle (~van@79.107.253.251) joined ##slackware. [06:45] okay, there's a few distributions of GNU-Linux that they can try [06:45] try to convince that to somebody comming into a pc-shop [06:45] i am happy that i am allowed by my employer to run slackware at work [06:46] but neither he or our customers would be happy if i try to force people to use linux [06:46] indeed. trying to peddle an alternative OS onto people is not fun [06:47] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:47] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [06:47] the world doesn't revolve around 13 year olds friends, who are interested in tinkering [06:49] ananke: I think it is, however, important not to belittle the strength Linux is finding within proper corporate environments. Specifically where a SysAdmin is available to do the tinkering allowing users to enjoy the experience of just using it. [06:50] I don't force anyone to change their minds but I do advise them of the other alternatives, I have to administer a Windows network and the clients don't understand computers *period* so there's no chance of many of them even considering somechanges when they cannot even understand the intricacies of deciding which alternative (windows, mac included) would be better for them. [06:54] Zordrak: while that's true, it's clearly not the case here [06:54] 'better for them' is such a vague idea [06:55] 'better for them' would mean that the new tools would improve their efficiency, comfort and ease of accomplishing their work. changing OS to another one doesn't automatically result in that. [06:57] When someone comes to me and asks advice, I never tell them what they want, I ask them what they want it for adn point them in the direction they want. I get them to list what they want down and make a decision based on that. With Software most devices come with Office "teaser installs" and are rudely surprised when they have to pay for it after 90 days thinking it is part of the package [06:59] if you manage a windows network, why are you even allowing that software to be there in the first place? any large enough deployment warrants clean installs along with software your organization uses [06:59] same thing goes for any major os [07:00] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [07:00] Edogaa (~Animeking@adsl-64-181-223.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Appetite (titan@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Disconnected by services [07:01] conatic (~conatic@91.178.96.168) left irc: Quit: Parti [07:02] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:06] I get asked when they buy their own computers, not the ones in the network. I have my own SOE for withing the network. [07:06] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [07:11] j0z (~JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. [07:11] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: @Out [07:11] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Hmm [07:16] thumbs (1000@unaffiliated/thumbs) joined ##slackware. [07:16] ext4 is usable in Slackware, right? [07:16] :/ or is that too 'unstable'? [07:16] It's fine. [07:16] In production all over the place.p [07:17] And for reference its not slackware specific its kernel specific and so is the same in any other distro on the same kernel. [07:17] I thought ext4 went into the kernel 'stable' in much later versions? [07:18] Edogaa: ext4 has been the default in Slack for some time. 'nuff said. [07:18] ah [07:18] kk [07:19] ozone89 (~ozone89@dynamic-adsl-78-15-222-204.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [07:20] hi guys [07:21] just for knowing... [07:21] ...who did the sudo package? was it "Fast Finger Syndrome"? ;) [07:22] Guess so [07:23] rofl [07:24] had to manually reset the permissions after the update :/ [07:26] well, bye [07:26] ozone89 (ozone89@dynamic-adsl-78-15-222-204.clienti.tiscali.it) left ##slackware ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is"). [07:27] hehe, he who hesitates is not trashed [07:28] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [07:31] v4nelle (~van@79.107.253.251) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:32] alienBOB: that's also the reason that the package sudo failed the md5 checksum while upgrading via slackpkg? [07:33] just noticed the samba upgrade also failed with the same reason ;( [07:33] Probably that is because a fixed package is already available [07:33] alienBOB: ic, i check that one.. [07:34] archcezar (1000@actd193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[07:40] Edogaa (~Animeking@adsl-64-181-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.1.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/ [07:41] jareth_: i run my own :) [07:41] Zodrak: i was waiting for that one to come... :) [07:41] TBH i dont know why more people dont [07:42] all you need is an always on server and a slackware DVD to save the initial sync [07:42] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:42] then cron rsyncs in the early hours [07:42] jareth_: FYI tab completion will save you misspelling names [07:43] Zodrak: I will setup something like in that in the future, it will be a struggle for me to migrate my existing debian homeserver to slackware to be honest ;) [07:43] but my laptop runs really great on slack actually :) [07:44] Seriously - my name is not Zodrak. [07:44] There's no reason a debian box cant host a local slackware mirror [07:44] sorry, maybe my eyes need to be checked [07:44] Hiya Zorrodak [07:44] rob1: sup? [07:45] Zordrak: I just want to get rid of it sometime, so i just leave it running in the meanwhile [07:45] Just sitting here making bad jokes. [07:46] my main challenge will be setting up netatalk on slackware, i don't look forward to that [07:46] 4632mAh down, 468mAh to go.. [07:47] oh man i cant stop laughing http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all [07:48] nodet (~chatzilla@117.206.18.246) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:49] that one is old but good [07:52] successful troll is successful [07:57] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:58] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:59] v4nelle (~van@79.107.253.251) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:04] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:09] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. 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[08:28] kickback (~kickback@122.173.248.124) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:30] hmm, that sudo package does not in fact change permissions back to 700 on /var [08:30] Budd^ (~budd@99.170.182.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:30] or what am i missing here?! [08:32] Woo!! [08:32] design capacity: 5100 mAh [08:32] ah nevermind, my bad ;p [08:32] remaining capacity: 5100 mAh [08:32] Action: Zordrak is off down to the basement with his new laptop battery :D TTFN [08:35] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:35] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:43] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:43] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [08:44] tsuyoi (panda@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu) joined ##slackware. [08:44] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:44] tsuyoi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Congrats, c1az, asshattery just made your ban longer. [08:49] sudor (~unknown@151.95.197.88) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Hi guys i'm new with slackware :) After i install the upgraded kernel (the one in the kernels directory) how can i build the kernel modules? [08:54] The slackware(64)?/a/kernel-modules* packages have you covered. There is no need to build anything. [08:55] You already installed that if you did a full install. [08:56] rob0, no i mean the kernel image in the /kernels dir on the dvd or on the ftp [08:57] right [08:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:58] yea, there is a bzimage file and the config and system.map, file. After i copy those files in my boot dir, and make all the adjustments in my bootloader config file...do i need to make modules for the new kernel? [08:59] john_dee (~id@95-29-9-204.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:59] pete` (~user@016.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:59] i mean after coping bzimage and config and system.map files... [09:00] john_dee (~id@95-29-145-45.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:01] The bzImage is the only one of those you would need, and again, no need to build anything. [09:02] Nick change: |CtrlAltCa| -> CtrlAltCa [09:02] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] rob0, thanks :) and btw what if i copy those already compiled kernel images in an old version of slackware. ex copying 13.1 bzimage in a 12.2 ? [09:02] shyko (~francisco@187.39.211.48) joined ##slackware. [09:02] shyko (~francisco@187.39.211.48) left irc: Changing host [09:02] shyko (~francisco@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:03] cabrilo (~cabrilo@unaffiliated/pechorin) joined ##slackware. [09:03] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:09] sudor, it MIGHT work (I have done it lots of times, binary kernel+modules upgrades to later Slackware versions), but there are numerous reasons why it might not. [09:10] rob0, for example? [09:11] Newer kernels might require newer userspace tools like module utils or iptables or udev. I think there can also be problems with newer gcc versions used on a kernel. [09:11] hmmm...i understand, tkz [09:11] Best advice is TIAS, if it doesn't work, check Documentation/Changes in the new kernel source. [09:11] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:12] ok [09:12] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:12] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [09:12] don't forget to installpkg (not upgradepkg!!) your a/kernel-modules [09:13] oh...yea...tkz for the advice, it's useful [09:13] yw [09:14] rob0, what is TIAS? [09:14] v4nelle (~van@79.107.253.251) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:15] jrodger, Try It And See [09:15] :D [09:15] one day I have to build my own damn kernel for this box too - huge-smp is not the fastest kernel [09:15] sudor Ohhhhh [09:15] sounds like a new machine time :) [09:16] thumbs: ^^^ [09:16] alisonken1lap: it's my P3 @ 1GHz [09:16] thumbs: like I said .... :) [09:18] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.240.215) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:19] um, technically you should be using the generic kernel with a custom generated initrd for day to day stuff [09:19] just sayin' [09:20] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.212) joined ##slackware. [09:20] sudor (~unknown@151.95.197.88) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:20] alphageek: yeah. I have special raid and lvm, so it's tricky. [09:20] again, lazyness :) [09:21] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:21] I've long since stopped bothering building custom kernels unless I absolutely have to. last time was this past april when I bought a netbook that required newer modules for wired & wireless network [09:22] otherwise, the performance difference between stock & custom is so small you'd have to be a gentoo user to even notice [09:22] heh [09:22] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:23] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.198.245.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:23] can't comment on raid, but my smp p3 500 oc'd 560 is using lvm on its data drive. mind, the root device is just a standalone drive with normal fs underpinnings [09:24] BlackGoat (~freontrip@p145x235.tceq.state.tx.us) joined ##slackware. [09:24] alphageek: yeah, I have 6 HDD's, / is on LVM, and I use reiser. [09:24] 20GB '/' drive & 320GB + 200GB '/data/'. works for me :) [09:24] ahh. ouch [09:24] alphageek: so I need to tell the initrd all that stuff. ENOTIME [09:25] heh [09:26] v4nelle (~van@79.107.253.251) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422230.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:27] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:27] esmit (~ricardo@189.8.192.11) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Does someone know some program which I set a list of proxys and it automatticaly choose the best to access the desired host? [09:29] jrodger (~jrodger@27-32-19-10.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:30] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [09:31] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Quit: "And I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man she is to keep silent" - 1 Timothy 2:12 [09:32] Budd^ (~budd@76.247.207.75) joined ##slackware. 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Thanks in advance [10:00] pete` (~user@016.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:00] its not uncommon [10:00] how are you downloading the packages? [10:00] thumbs (1000@unaffiliated/thumbs) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [10:01] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:01] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:01] I'm downloading from the Internet, as an example, wine is only in x86_64 on sourceforge [10:02] installed fine but can't run [10:02] It always installs fine.. [10:03] You should not install packages that are not meant for your architecture SvenL- [10:03] aye [10:03] You should use i686 aka 32bit packages with 32bit slackware.. [10:04] A proper wine package would be this one: http://slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wine/pkg/13.1/wine-1.2-i486-1alien.tgz [10:05] Okay, thanks, I actually didn't think about that architecture problem, I thought I had installed the most common kind of slackware [10:06] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:07] You should get yourself a bit more informed then SvenL- [10:07] Sure, yes [10:07] Two supported architectures - x86_64 and x86 [10:08] The Slackware packages for x86 (i.e. 32-bit) usually have "i486" in their package filename. 3rd party packages may have i686 instead [10:08] The 64-bit packages will always have x86_64 in their filename. [10:08] The two architectures have incompatible packages [10:09] thumbs (1000@unaffiliated/thumbs) joined ##slackware. [10:09] telperion (~Adium@190.156.36.117) joined ##slackware. [10:10] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:10] telperion (Adium@190.156.36.117) left ##slackware. [10:10] Yes, I'm basically a Windows user so I am aware of this particularity. Is one or the other architecture prefered... ? [10:10] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Client Quit [10:11] if you have the hardware for x64, there is no reason not to use it [10:13] Okay [10:13] groundnuty (~orzech@elj74.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:13] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) joined ##slackware. [10:17] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:17] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:18] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:24] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [10:25] if you have <= 4G ram, AND you absolutely-have-to-have-will-die-without-it (like my wife and skype), then 32-bit works fine. Otherwise you can install multilib, just be aware it's not the most pleasant expeirence on slack when it comes to cross-compiling software [10:25] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [10:26] uhm uhm, Okay [10:27] I have 3GB... [10:29] The 32-bit Slackware you have installed is the best option then [10:29] Ok, just hope I will find all I could ever need in i486 version ! [10:30] And it can not be true that you can oly find x86_64 packages on the Internet. As a last resort, Slackers can always build from source [10:31] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:31] yes ! [10:32] Thanks a lot alienBOB, Dominian & alisonken1home ! [10:32] and I will RTFM ! [10:33] Good. And ask further questions here [10:34] the only reason i didn't install 64-bit slack was because of the multilib hill i'd probably encountered. [10:34] hell* [10:34] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:36] No hell at all [10:37] alienBOB: depends on what mood the wife is in or what time of the month it is :) [10:42] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [10:42] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:43] always blame the girl.... .bad bad bad [10:43] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [10:45] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu expired. [10:45] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*net.pbthawe.eu' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:48] BlackGoat (~freontrip@p145x235.tceq.state.tx.us) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:48] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:53] AppDeb (~AppDeb@188.4.103.83.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:53] shyko (~francisco@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [10:55] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [10:56] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.184.177) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Spent the last 2 hours *playing with freebsd* and want to blow my brains out! [11:01] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [11:02] 36DAAJQCR (~orzech@elj74.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:06] why, whats wrong with freebsd? [11:08] jgeboski_ (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [11:08] probably nothing; sounds like inexperience with FreeBSD to me [11:08] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:08] Nick change: jgeboski_ -> jgeboski [11:11] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [11:12] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:12] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:12] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [11:14] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [11:18] when i looked at FBSD it did not seem difficult at all [11:18] my first kernel compile was on FBSD [11:20] j2quinn (~j2quinn@i216-58-61-39.cybersurf.com) joined ##slackware. [11:21] has anyone tried to install slackware 13.1 on an old compaq n610c laptop? i tried google but found little to nothing. [11:22] usually specific computer models mean nothing over their specific hardware [11:23] true, however, i would assume hardware support should be high as it is an old laptop [11:26] j2quinn: assumptions are dangerous, but in this instance I'd agree with you [11:26] j2quinn: If you aren't using the laptop for anything.. Installing Slackware on it to find out won't be a big loss [11:28] i just want it for Latex [11:28] laptop has no use to me at the moment [11:28] so yah [11:28] or at least, link us to the hardware specs [11:28] the install away! [11:29] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Dominian: well, it'd be good to know if it's a 386 :P [11:29] eh [11:29] I don't think those are 386 [11:29] I've worked on that model before.. I'm pretty sure it'll be fine [11:30] what's the story with the tux being replaced with a mole (in a tux mask) in slack? [11:30] phrag: you mean taz? [11:30] i never found out the reasoning [11:30] yeh! =) [11:30] Hang on.. let me fine it [11:32] phrag: endangered species (tazmanian devil) [11:33] http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/748350-the-linux-kernel-saves-animals-gets-new-logo/ [11:33] swapping (only for 2.6.29) was decided at linux.conf.au [11:33] taz was a long time ago [11:34] thankyou, only just discussed it =P [11:34] tuz actually :P [11:34] well, it's 13.0's kernel [11:36] awesome, thanks for that =) [11:36] How do you fix this?: [11:36] http://slackbuild.pastebin.com/MWLeHqd4 [11:36] This happens when you build the kvm SlackBuild package [11:37] le_prof (~le_prof@198.20.32.1) joined ##slackware. [11:37] asarch: you cd to your /usr/src/linux and you run 'make prepare module_prepare' [11:37] (as root) [11:37] asarch: I did not have to build a kvm package for my qemu-kvm [11:38] I used what was available in the SLackware kernel [11:38] also, why not use qemu-kvm ? [11:38] eek [11:38] So, this package (kvm) is for these modules?: lsmod | grep kvm: kvm_intel 38799 0, kvm 250200 1 kvm_intel [11:39] asarch: kvm or qemu-kvm? [11:39] The first one, kvm [11:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:39] I already have: kvm-kmod-2.6.34.1-i486-1_SBo and qemu-kvm-0.12.5-i486-1_SBo [11:39] ...installed [11:40] You would only need qemu-kvm on Slackware 13.1 [11:40] I see [11:40] also, which cpu do you have? [11:40] A AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor [11:41] This one: http://slackbuild.pastebin.com/s7qnCtyF [11:41] I should really get off my ass and start writing my qemu-kvm article for the Wiki [11:42] Problem is, I am sitting on my ass so that the diarrhea stays in [11:42] Use TREDA [11:42] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-22-173.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:42] http://www.prescriptiondrug-info.com/threads/TREDA-by-sanfer-S117300.htm [11:42] asarch: ok, I saw you had 32bit and wanted to check you actually had support for hardware virt (which you do) [11:42] alienBOB, You need a cork - simple and elegant solution [11:42] It's very good for diarrhea [11:43] beer helps writing [11:43] lol :-D [11:43] alienBOB, OR... ease off the Indian food [11:43] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Quit: And I can't put the needle in... [11:43] Yeah I have a stopper here, but I am ill, and have to wait untill the illness passes. Influenza of the abdomen... no idea what it is called [11:44] My diarrhea goes on for 7 days now. I have lost most of what I ate during that time, and I feel pretty weak and exhausted. Been home for some days so I can be close to the toilet [11:45] adrien: a Trappist beer helps indeed [11:45] 7 days?! [11:45] :-S [11:45] Trappist, ah, lucky you :P [11:45] that sounds serious [11:45] You should go to see a doctor [11:45] TMI alienBOB [11:46] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.184.177) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:46] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-131-152.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:46] alienBOB, you should try probiotics to help restore you intestine's flora [11:46] alienBOB: yeah, go see a doctor [11:47] In Mexico usually that means you have AIDS [11:47] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-jfnkptydwmjmlpam) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:47] A lot of time with diarrhea...\ [11:49] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik_any [11:55] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-jzcwaieaotbaxoxr) joined ##slackware. [11:56] j2quinn (~j2quinn@i216-58-61-39.cybersurf.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:58] I've been to the doctor already, she told me to sit it out. No work until the diarrhea has gone [11:58] Eat crackers, soup, drink water... all in little lits [11:58] And trappist of course [11:59] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.212) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:59] alienBOB: eat lots of chocolate, that will clog you up ;) [11:59] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:03] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.184.196) joined ##slackware. [12:04] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.212) joined ##slackware. [12:04] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:05] am0rphis (~ewq@212.58.188.161) joined ##slackware. [12:05] How do you update the kernel modules path? [12:05] modprobe kvm: FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/updates/x86/kvm.ko': No such file or directory [12:06] Howevery: find /lib/modules | grep kvm: /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm.ko [12:06] _tecra (~fake.emai@70-36-146-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:06] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-104-22.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:07] asarch: as root: depmod -a [12:07] Thank you gnubien [12:07] asarch: then you have to reboot [12:07] Thank you very much [12:07] asarch sure, have fun [12:07] nah, doesn't require a reboot [12:07] See you in a while! [12:09] Ok. The only package I need was qemu-kvm [12:09] And now, let's install XP and play some Age of Empires II [12:09] (To check if I have 3D hardware accel) [12:10] asarch: if you have 3D hardware accel in the guest, tell me how you did it [12:10] D'oh! [12:11] sabalaba (~sabalaba@c-76-118-76-200.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Cr1kk4 (~fabio@93-45-100-119.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:11] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-182-0-17.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] asarch: nvidia or ATI video card? [12:11] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-182-0-17.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [12:11] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [12:12] Intel :-( [12:12] asarch: ok, let us know good the 3D games play [12:14] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Client Quit [12:14] I will [12:14] See you later guys [12:14] Thank you very much for your help [12:14] elliot_ (~elliot@bzq-79-182-0-17.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] I hope you get better alienBOB [12:15] :-) [12:15] Have a nice day [12:15] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.212) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:15] elliot_ (~elliot@bzq-79-182-0-17.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:17] Cr1kk4 (fabio@93-45-100-119.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. 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[12:49] i found that my laptop support 64 bit but i never use 64 bit system ,im going to install slackware do u recommend 64 bit [12:49] know that i have only 2 giga of ram [12:49] use 32bit unless you have a specific need for 64bit [12:51] Action: eltt0s nods [12:51] thanks guys [12:51] lio_013 (ahmed@41.153.230.203) left ##slackware. [12:52] I use 64 bit because I want more bits [12:52] MORE BITS [12:53] moar bits kthxbai? [12:53] INCREASED WORD SIZE MAKES ME EXCITED [12:53] such is ej [12:53] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:54] today is the day that I determine why my graphics suck. [12:59] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:59] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:00] linXea: personally, given that choice today, i always pick 64 bit. mostly because i don't have to worry about moving to 64 bit afterwards [13:00] So why do your graphics suck? [13:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:03] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [13:03] eviljames: I think your graphics suck cause your eyesite is soooo bad [13:03] john_dee (~id@95-29-145-45.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:04] adamk: I'm going to do some sort of benchmarking today to sort that out [13:04] adamk: I moved to kms/dri2 - and things work, but there's some .. I dunno, rendering or buffering issues somewhere. [13:05] eviljames: it sucks because it's intel? [13:05] buffering at the optic nerve I bet [13:05] adamk: examples include, when yakuake first gets drawn onto the screen, there's a ~500ms pause in its animation. The same is true of the kde panels sliding on/off the screen, and the K menu. [13:06] each of those animations seem to have a half second pause in the very early stage, during which time only the outline of the widget is drawn [13:06] sometimes, it's as late as half way through the animation that the widget gets its details filled in [13:06] eviljames: if we can get the new amd graphic parts... \o/ [13:06] adrien: uh, I'm using amd/ati atm. nice troll tho. frog. [13:06] ;) [13:07] sorry thought it was sorta funny [13:07] this ground may have covered before but I haven't been around...did a 32bit current upgrade from current pre-13.1 and X is broken, it's an ati RV100 card, X barfs with references to libskconnect...clues? my reading is getting nowhere... [13:07] Slaxy: my eyesite is horrific, so it really isn't funny. it just hurts :( [13:07] naahhhh j/k, I feel no pain, you unmitigated douchebag. [13:07] Hmmm... Those are all KDE4 items. Perhaps KDE4 just sucks :-) [13:08] eviljames: arrrg... my appologies [13:08] Slaxy: don't take much of what I say seriously. My eyesite really isn't that good, but I don't really care :P [13:08] eviljames: no, seriously: they're not out yet but they should be pretty good while taking only little power [13:08] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [13:08] adamk: it was smoother under UMS, however had a different issue of artifacting while scrolling in long windows [13:08] integrated to the CPU [13:09] eviljames: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3933/amds-zacate-apu-performance-update [13:09] adrien: AMD has killed the ATI brand, but I was under the impression that now it'll be "AMD Radeon" and "AMD FireGL" etc [13:09] eviljames: who cares about brand names ;-) [13:09] eviljames: it will [13:10] wertik_any (~wertik@95-27-131-152.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:11] nice [13:13] huffpuff (~matthew@h86.28.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:16] dustybin: Just use html & jQuery [13:16] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:16] dustybin: plus some imagemagick to make the various sizes (thumbnails, full size, screen size, etc) man mogrify [13:16] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [13:16] eviljames: thats a bit beyond me [13:16] alienBOB: also, get better [13:17] http://bbgallery.sourceforge.net/ [13:18] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:19] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:19] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Action: eviljames twiddles his thumbs while building Mesa Demos [13:20] Action: adrien edited the slackbuild [13:21] I was wondering why it kept drawing ascii penises on my screen :/ [13:22] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] vfw (~vfw@74.113.242.5) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:22] depends, if it also drew cheese, it was me, but if not, it was fire|bird's edits :P [13:23] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Action: fire|bird slaps adrien [13:23] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-jzcwaieaotbaxoxr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:25] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-lwdumzumyjpatmhl) joined ##slackware. [13:26] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:27] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-211-243.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:27] Nick change: WireWulf -> Cuan [13:27] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-211-243.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] this is more like it [13:30] http://www.webhelpforum.co.uk/featured-tutorials/linux-terminal-simple-bash-html-gallery-generator/ [13:30] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:31] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [13:34] huffpuff (~matthew@h86.28.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:36] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [13:37] hmmm...it's not X at all, startx works fine from the command line, looks like it might be kdm [13:38] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC34E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] le_prof: Run ldd against the kdm binary and see if it returns any missing libraries. [13:42] adamk: What sorts of things can I run to provide a reasonable benchmark for myself? [13:42] mancha suggested the teapot demo (which is running ~15 FPS) [13:42] eviljames: I'm really not familiar with 2D benchmarking. [13:42] Well, the other items you mentioned are all 2D things, right? [13:43] In terms of 3D benchmarking, if you want to compare UMS to KMS, I'd recommend something like openarena with the anholt demo. [13:43] (Or, perhaps, OA comes with a timedemo these days). [13:44] null-pointer (~martinus@180.211.95.230) joined ##slackware. [13:44] shyko (~francisco@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:44] yeah, I don't really use 3d much, gaming/blender aren't really why I use the machine [13:44] adamk: ding! libck-connector.so.0 ==> not found [13:45] this is console kit related yes? [13:45] le_prof: Unfortunately I'm not in front of my slack machine at the moment, so I can't tell you what provides that library [13:45] sec [13:45] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [13:45] ConsoleKit-20100129-x86_64-1 [13:45] eviljames: You might want to ask the folks on #radeon for suggestions about 2D benchmarking. [13:45] eviljames: It's quiet in there now, but someone might be around later. [13:46] k, will do. appreciated as usual man. [13:46] ej: ta very much... [13:46] le_prof: c'est rien! [13:47] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [13:49] "de rien" ;-) [13:50] "de rrier" [13:50] adrien: la merde. [13:50] that wasn't a statement to you, it was a definition. [13:55] scott-ac6b (~urk@64.134.188.253) joined ##slackware. [13:55] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:55] eviljames: =) [13:55] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. 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[14:05] SvenL- (~Lolilol@81-64-4-184.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Quit: Lolol [14:09] WOW [14:09] look how nice this gallery looks [14:09] http://wallpapers.verhau.de/all/index.html [14:09] NO PHP + NO MYSQL pure html [14:09] created with this script: http://wallpapers.verhau.de/bashgalery [14:09] Action: dustybin feels excited [14:10] I'd avoid anything written in bash for that task [14:10] apart from that, I've already done it in vim with 2 regular expressions and a for-loop to run import and generate thumbnails [14:12] http://www.slackbuild.org/repository/12.1/graphics/bashgallery/ [14:13] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:13] the source link doesnt work :( [14:15] dustybin: http://www.sourcefiles.org/Graphics/Tools/Gallery/bashgallery-0.4.tar.gz should have it [14:15] it's been proven to be a bad idea [14:16] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Quit: You Welcome to join my channel ##Iraqi [14:16] hi adrien. [14:16] thanks [14:16] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [14:19] cmair (~cmair@host121-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:22] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:22] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [14:23] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:23] hi jeev =) [14:25] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:26] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [14:27] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:27] Nick change: rhisa -> risarisarisa [14:29] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Quit: You Welcome to join my channel ##Iraqi [14:30] le_prof (~le_prof@198.20.32.1) left irc: Quit: le_prof [14:30] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [14:37] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [14:37] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [14:47] null-pointer (~martinus@180.211.95.230) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:48] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.184.196) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] null-pointer (~martinus@180.211.95.230) joined ##slackware. [14:50] jeev must be really enjoying himself on teaparties lately [14:50] I saw him at one recently, wearing a sarah palin t-shirt [14:50] reverse-trolling! [14:51] Haha [14:51] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:51] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [14:52] hehehe [14:53] alienBOB, i just cant wait and see what these tea party idiots do when they're elected. [14:53] every time i see / hear palin's name, i think about the porn parody they did of her lol [14:54] deyd (~chatzilla@117.206.20.216) joined ##slackware. [14:54] downst (~rfore@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] every time i see palin's name, i see another idiot i could perhaps convince to hand over their organs while they're living for the "troops" and save them on their "taxes" [14:54] have anyone of you heard about talamasca [14:54] kinda nice .. yeah [14:54] try listening to it [14:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXPgJsA-EkY [14:55] oooh jeev [14:55] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [14:55] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:55] what thrice` [14:56] this is depression [14:57] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:57] m4ll0c (~m4ll0c@202.65.117.67) joined ##slackware. [14:57] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [14:58] night all [15:03] Reducer (~reducer@g230079245.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:05] jeev: I can't imagine that one of these teapots ever gets elected... but then again, the US is collectively insane. Final words... too much said already in fact [15:05] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) left irc: Changing host [15:05] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:06] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [15:06] alienBOB, one teapotter won the republican primary in delaware.. check this out, she thinsk people follow her, watch her from the shrubs and masturbate to her.. so she wants to ban masturbation [15:06] jeev: I read all about her this evening [15:06] It is incredible. [15:07] and thinking about another woman is adultery. well.. i think about other girls all the time but i'd never cheat on my girlfriend. [15:07] Hehe [15:07] these people contradict themselves all day long. [15:08] it's been a while but as a representative of delaware all that matters is that delawarians (a majority of them) feel she represents them right? i.e. whether you agree with her or not is irrelevant to the democratic experiment? [15:09] and how many are there ? 3 ? [15:09] mancha++ lol [15:09] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:09] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:09] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [15:09] strash (~strash@vlan-176-sliven-40.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:10] hello ,i have an interesting situation [15:10] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] i have downloaded the skype [15:10] and when i start the skype as su- it connects [15:10] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [15:10] i wouldn't run skype as root, why su- ? [15:10] when i use my regular account it responds "Another Skype instance may exist" [15:11] mancha i don`t want to run it as su too [15:11] try killing any orphaned process? [15:11] that`s why i want to figure why it doesn`t connect as a regular user [15:11] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [15:11] top -doesn`t show anything connected to skype [15:11] ps auxw | grep skype [15:11] ok let me check [15:12] well i got a responce [15:12] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.212) joined ##slackware. [15:12] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-61.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] strash 2692 0.0 0.0 2212 644 pts/2 S+ 22:08 0:00 grep skype [15:12] what does it mean? [15:12] yeah thats the grep command finding itself :) you can ignore it [15:13] oh... [15:13] i`m still new in linux :) [15:13] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-81-210-224-157.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [15:13] so do you have any idea [15:13] maybe i should use the static version of skype ? [15:13] on slackware ? good plan! [15:13] chomping (~chomping@unaffiliated/chomping) joined ##slackware. [15:14] It works on Slackware [15:14] let me dl and try [15:14] strash i would try one thing first [15:14] maybe you have a lockfile, in ~/.Skype, try removing stuff fro there [15:15] mancha i got no idea what this "lockfile" means (i`m still new in linux) [15:15] hell remove the whole thing, you can re-enter your pw later: rm -rf ~/.Skype [15:16] ok [15:16] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:16] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [15:18] ok , trying to sign in into a static version of skype [15:18] the .Skype was removed before that [15:18] and did it work after you removed .Sype? [15:19] mancha i did removed the other skype before i removed the .Skype , i`m sorry but i was pissed off :) [15:19] hurray [15:19] static skype loged in under my regular account [15:19] i guess i don`t need any help anymore [15:19] and now we will forever wonder which thing fixed it [15:19] thanks to everyone who helped me [15:19] jemark (~mark@86-44-32-251-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] mancha i can still remove .Skype and download the non-static [15:20] and test [15:20] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.52) joined ##slackware. [15:20] ah -after i closed the xterm - the skype was closed too [15:20] is it normal ? [15:20] jemark (~mark@86-44-32-251-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:21] Yes, it is [15:21] Try with: skype & [15:21] Howdy [15:21] was it colonel mustard in the library with the candlestick or professor plum with the knife in the lounge? [15:21] It was Hottie Hanna in the beadroom with a divorce decree. [15:21] it was engineer Dave with the punchdown tool in the crawlspace [15:22] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-61.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [15:22] strash sure if you're willing to test it would satisfy my curiosity but it's not that important. [15:22] mancha -i just removed the .Skype again [15:23] now i got hte dynamic [15:23] and i will try to run it as regular user [15:23] signing in ... [15:23] Nick change: Cuan -> Wulf-is-not-here [15:23] it usually takes at least half a minute ,so we have to wait a little [15:24] Action: slackmagic does the drumrolls :) [15:24] Action: mancha plays some hitchcock music... [15:24] well it signed in again [15:25] i guess after "tar -xvf skype*.tar.bz2" i have to remove the ".Skype" [15:25] and then i works [15:25] but when i close the xterm - t closes skype [15:25] mancha is it normal ? [15:25] strash: 1419 asarch | Try with: skype & [15:26] rbEye (~rbEye@adsl-71-134-242-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] it is if you call skype from the xterm [15:26] so how to call skype and when i close the calling terminal- not to close the skype ? [15:26] skype & [15:27] hi, is anyone using slackware64? Is it stable? [15:27] johnbristol (~john@cpc8-aztw22-2-0-cust115.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:27] rbEye: yes, yes [15:27] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:27] arfon: cool [15:27] It's cool also [15:27] mancha "skype &" in xterm is ok ,but when i close the xterm - it closes skype [15:28] it shouldn't [15:28] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:28] arfon: I have a gigabyte p55 usb3 mobo with an i3 dual core and I want to test it out with slackware64 [15:29] i hope it will install and run stable [15:29] mancha the "konsole " "skype &" opens skype but with closing (pressing the x) it closes skype too ? [15:29] i guess konsole is not so different from xterm [15:29] rbEye: im using 64. No problems so far [15:29] rbEye: I've got it on my Asus/AMD desktop [15:30] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [15:30] you'll have to 'disown' the skype job from the shell before closing it [15:30] sweet [15:30] rbEye: I haven't had any problems [15:30] strash: after you run "skype &", press ENTER once in xterm, see if it still closes skype when you close that xterm afterwards [15:30] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:30] rbEye: Have ou run 64 Linux before? [15:30] arfon: nope...it'll be my first [15:30] interesting, konsole does seem to look around for all its children and kill them [15:31] Do you use wine? [15:31] its not konsole, its the shell [15:31] nope [15:31] arfon: only if I have no beer [15:31] You'll be golden [15:31] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-81-210-224-157.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [15:31] i hope so [15:31] It's a sad day when you have no beer adaptr... [15:31] slackmagic ,mancha yes-it still closes the skype after closing the xterm [15:31] true, which is why I hardly ever have wine [15:31] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [15:31] strash, i can proudly say that i have never used konsole i can't help with that [15:32] mancha what do you use? [15:32] also, stop calling it an xterm when you mean konsole. two different things. [15:32] I have wine all the time... from windows users and they spell it whine [15:32] speaking of wine... [15:32] i use xterm. [15:32] it is written "xterm on it" [15:32] *"xterm" [15:32] "konsole" is something different [15:32] i just tested both [15:32] Action: nyRednek uses urxterm [15:32] <--uses terminal [15:33] rather, urxvt [15:33] in an xterm, running "skype &" will work. skype will not die if you close the xterm. [15:33] urxvt++ [15:33] well , this "xterm" is not working as it`s supposed [15:33] urxvt+++ [15:34] [1] 3007 [15:34] rbEye (rbEye@adsl-71-134-242-237.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [15:34] hehe [15:34] and then i got bash-4.1$ [15:34] that is working [15:34] nyRednek: "speaking of wine..." [15:34] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:35] (I'm on the edge of my seat) [15:36] arfon: i'm having an issue with wine and a program...seems to be an issue of keyboard driver [15:36] eww its arfon [15:36] KaMii: maybe a look at this? [15:36] strash: try: nohup skype & [15:36] look at what? [15:36] which program? [15:37] jareth_ let me try [15:37] jareth_ :bash-4.1$ nohup: ignoring input and appending output to `/home/strash/nohup.out' [15:37] is it wrong if I laugh a lot during the resident evil movie? [15:37] strash: you could also try "skype & exit" [15:38] why run skype through the terminal? [15:38] KaMii: i'll pastebin the error in a minute [15:38] just make a script call it skype.foo [15:38] well in "konsole" (not the "xterm") i got it - just i had to cd.. out of the directory after "skype &" and when i closed it -skype workes [15:38] but then again like KaMii said, why not just have a menu entry, or an icon, or an application launcher for that [15:39] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:39] for all my wine apps, I make their own script to execute the program [15:39] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Eww, KaMii [15:39] Correction: Eww, It's KaMii [15:39] hai arfon [15:39] that brings up another thing. openbox + keybindings+++ :) [15:40] Hai K, [15:40] strash: which wm are you using? KDE? [15:40] slackmagic "skype & exit" cles the xterm and opened skype - i think this is the best choice [15:40] KaMii - KDE [15:40] openbox++ ^_^ [15:40] Why not just make a launcher? [15:40] strash: just use an icon/some type of application launcher [15:40] and kinda funny that openbox keybindings are emacs-style :P [15:40] it should have put a KDE icon in KMenu --> Wine --> Skype [15:41] slackmagic - i don`t know how to do that - i thought all executive files should be launched from a terminal using the "./" command [15:41] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.212) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:41] KaMii i don`t use wine for skype [15:41] strash: correction: can be launched, but don't neccessarily have to be for convenience/simplicity [15:42] oh, is wine ported to linux? [15:42] skype is ported [15:42] KaMii I already installed the wine under root (don`t ask why) [15:42] oh kewl, i didnt know that [15:42] slackmagic how can i make a windows-like shortcut of skype on my desktop ? [15:43] one day wine will be ported to linux too [15:43] until then, run it as: wine wine [15:43] rafu (~rafu@114-238-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:43] hehe [15:43] lol mancha [15:43] but... wine is not an emulator [15:43] so are you sure its not qemu wine [15:44] strash: brings up another thing: ask your best friend. Google. or learn how to use your DE/wm whichever you prefer to use. I don't use KDE, sorry. I'm assuming you can easily right click on the KDE Menu Button, Add an entry to the menu, and right click on that entry to create a shortcut on the desktop/panel/favorites? [15:44] skype still should have put a menu icon in the KMenu [15:44] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:45] i have a quote [15:45] i think the question becomes... was it installed via sbopkg? [15:45] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [15:45] i dont know where to put it [15:45] deyd: IRC is free :D [15:45] strash, how did you install skype? [15:45] lol [15:46] i will put it here [15:46] noobfarm.org? [15:46] what if god didnt want to make everyone belive in god himself .. [15:46] Necos - well i just "tar-xvf skype*.tar.bz2" [15:46] the way people think they need to belive . [15:46] then you will not have an icon anywhere [15:46] Well how do i install bz2 files then ? [15:46] ok thats the quote .. thanks [15:46] download sbopkg from www.sbopkg.org and save yourself a lot of trouble [15:46] Necos - less trouble = less learning [15:47] that`s not the point [15:47] strash: learn how to work with Slackbuilds. Visit http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/skype/ for your skype purposes. You'll be glad you did. [15:47] no, it means you don't hose your system by being stupid [15:47] "hose" ? [15:47] ruin [15:47] deyd: it's saved with us now forever. [15:47] break [15:47] why should i ruin it by tarring the bz2 ? [15:47] if {} elsif {} elsif {} else {} [15:47] thanks slackmagic :D [15:47] That works? [15:48] does it damage the linux by tarring the file ? [15:48] risarisarisa, bash? [15:48] only if you tar & feather [15:48] KaMii: the program goes down with this in the terminal http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/JmUkcm40.html [15:49] mancha i don`t understand the word "feather" [15:49] Hopsington (~Hopsingto@ip-41-40-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Oops. [15:49] Meant for that to go into #perl. [15:50] mancha: heh [15:50] risa, you need stuff between those curly brackets for it to be useful.... [15:50] The brackety things :) [15:51] arfon: aren't those called braces? [15:51] nyRednek: is it that game again? weird, not sure what to tell you, looks like a keyboard driver issue? [15:51] Sea-gull-wings [15:51] Don't get all technical on me nyRednek [15:51] KaMii: that's what i was thinking [15:51] Seagull-wings [15:51] The squigglies [15:51] sideways moustaches [15:52] Frown upside down :P [15:52] illovae (~C-18@edu.porneia.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:52] sideways moustaches? where? [15:52] KaMii: same game, to reproduce the error, click play, standard, and it does [15:52] I thought it was all the rage to shave those off [15:52] s/does/dies/ [15:52] troy_ (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:52] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] mishehu: I think thats always been the users choise. [15:53] :) [15:53] KaMii: further, the thing won't let me enter my license key(bought this game years ago) [15:53] Hopsington: yeah but things come in fads you know. [15:53] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [15:54] gnash is taking as long to compile as ffmpeg too [15:54] took [15:54] It takes a little while yes ;-) [15:54] gnash will take about 2 years longer than ffmpeg to compile [15:54] alienBOB: you got my message earlier? [15:54] mishehu: Yep, trends come and trends go. Some tend to stick with what they think of as "ok for me" though. [15:54] I need to recompile my test with ffmpeg... I had added a patch for libcurl that I think I did not need,. but it breaks everything [15:54] nyRednek: Did you compile FFMPEG from teh SBo? [15:54] the way gnash works is that it takes as long to compile as upstream takes to release the next version. [15:55] arfon: sure did [15:55] nyRednek: i think its your keyboard, the game works just fine on my system no problems, not sure why it hates your computer... [15:55] did you include all of the options? [15:55] KaMii: i'm using a standard 104 key ps/2 keyboard [15:55] VBox and windoze 98? [15:55] arfon: x264 and lame [15:56] arfon: nothing more [15:56] also, gnash is not very flash compliant as in the a lot of functionality doesn't work. and many flash sites do funky checks which bomb with "need to install adobe flash blah" [15:56] arfon: didn't add dirac and other stuff [15:56] i have a canal here [15:56] nyRednek: Hmmm, I DL'd all of the options listed in the SBo installed them all and then ffmpeg wouldn't compile.:( [15:56] suggest something [15:56] don't use dirac, use schroedinger. [15:57] I installed both mancha [15:57] that said, gnash boasts that it is now 100% youtube compatible. [15:57] strash, because you haven't learned the proper places to put things... sorry [15:57] ooh alright [15:57] i'm doing like 6 things at once [15:57] philpp (~phil@cpe-66-69-109-178.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] Necos i put my skype folder in my home directory [15:58] hey guys, how do I install kde on slackware [15:58] Action: slackmagic twss ? rofl [15:58] yeah, but if you build the proper slackware package, you get icons and stuff in the proper places. [15:58] Necos i see [15:58] lol [15:58] which is why you use sbopkg (especially if you're in a hurry) [15:59] mancha: yeah, i know, but i want to get away from closed-source stuff and further away from any companies that may be hostile towards FOSS [15:59] otherwise, you can download the slackbuild and see how it's done properly [15:59] philpp: get disc3, and installpkg everything [15:59] Necos i will try the slackbuild [15:59] philpp: the stock kde or an old kde? [15:59] arfon, what is disc3? [15:59] nyRednek, the stock kde [15:59] KDE disc [16:00] oh [16:00] philpp: it's on cd 3 [16:00] so it's on the slackware cd or do I have to get another cd [16:00] philpp: it's on the slackware cd [16:00] Slackware Cd 3 [16:00] I only have one slackware cd [16:00] philpp: there are three [16:01] well it's a dvd actually [16:01] oh ok I'll download it then I guess [16:01] philpp: then it's on the dvd [16:01] ok [16:01] thanks [16:01] i have this girl problem [16:01] mount it... cd to kde/... installpkg * [16:01] philpp: under slackware/kde/ [16:01] i dont what the fuck to do with that fucking shit [16:01] she doest reply at all [16:01] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:01] deyd: we don't care about your relationship issues [16:01] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [16:01] but she keeps reading my messages [16:01] "girl problem" ? this doesn't seem like the place to be talking about girls [16:01] heh [16:02] ok [16:02] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:02] Girls are banned from here [16:02] deyd: again, we don't care about your relationship issues...either you have a slackware issue or stfu [16:02] unless the "girl" is trying to install or compile something [16:02] arfon: nah they're not, they just hide [16:02] :S thanks arfon [16:02] strash (~strash@vlan-176-sliven-40.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:02] arfon: and rightly so. [16:02] Oh yeah [16:02] i donno what to do or what to think [16:02] K :P [16:02] KaMii: ok, i'll look into it elsewhere [16:03] I bet any girl that says "oh hey, I'm a slackerchick" will immediately be pounced upon like flies on sh1t [16:03] i have ex girl friend issue [16:03] which is the biggest buggering me [16:03] then i have college issue [16:03] deyd: grow a pair and get your computer back from her. there, problem solved. [16:03] ok [16:03] NEXT! [16:03] Good thing they are all in #Perl [16:03] why perl? [16:04] nyRednek: sorry, i have no idea whats wrong, it seems really weird :S [16:04] (rizarizarizariza is in #Perl) [16:04] wait... your ex girlfriend is buggering you? [16:04] that's a problem allright.. [16:04] not any more .. but its like she is married [16:04] ok [16:04] and she uses orkut .. me usues orkut [16:05] lol [16:05] switch to buzz [16:05] heh [16:05] and i am supposed to write something in my about me .. which should be like i dont know [16:05] india marriage and all you know full of shit [16:05] no choice .. etc etc [16:06] going nowhere going nowhere [16:06] I know nothing about indian marriages other than they like the henna stuffs [16:06] why are we talking about this guys relationship issues? [16:06] and .. well thats over [16:06] and that's only thanks to cnn! heh [16:06] i have this potential blow job thing [16:06] somehwere else .. right [16:06] this is ##slackware not #DrPhil [16:06] right .. [16:06] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [16:06] so i have this college thing yes [16:06] KaMii: I don't think he's at all serious. he's somewhere between "mildly humorous" and "trolling" [16:06] yes [16:07] KaMii: drphil, blech. [16:07] drphil couldn't figure out how to take two aspirin [16:07] hail hitler [16:07] rofl [16:07] do you see that ? [16:07] call me drphilpp [16:07] :lol: [16:07] mines [16:08] i dont like it that much [16:08] deyd: you are on the verge [16:08] alienBOB: can you get the kicking boots please? [16:08] I have the trigger in hand for mr deyd [16:08] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:09] I thought that nazi reference deserves a 24 hour ban at least [16:09] lol [16:09] lol lol [16:09] Morethan 24 hrs even [16:09] deyd: remember the thing I said earlier about the quote you saying in here being saved with us forever? Well, this upcoming ban might be forever too! :) [16:09] KaMii: an extra 24 hours for not doing the typical thing and writing the equivalent in german. [16:09] One more drole remark and you are out of here [16:10] It was not even written in german [16:10] alienBOB: drole? man you can't expect the trolls to know fancy words like that :-) [16:10] mishehu: I do not care [16:11] lol :D lol [16:12] Action: mishehu suggests we all talk about slackware related stuff [16:12] so after I install the stuff from /dev/cdrom/slackware/kde, what do I do [16:12] Not per se that. But veering off the cliffs will get you banned from here [16:12] risarisarisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: risarisarisa [16:12] philpp: xwmconfig, select KDE, startx? [16:13] alienBOB: exactly what i was about to say [16:13] alienBOB, ok thank you [16:13] seems like alienBOB can always find other things to do while he's compiling ffmpeg, such as troll-hunting :) [gives ya enough time too to find plenty] [16:13] Guest79215 (~scott@207.98.152.197) joined ##slackware. [16:13] philpp (~phil@cpe-66-69-109-178.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:13] i -j 1'ed this build and it's still dragging system down [16:14] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Guest79215 (~scott@207.98.152.197) left irc: Client Quit [16:14] nyRednek: I use qemu-kvm now and can build the 32bit and 64bit in parallel [16:14] alienBOB: isn't it easier to have the toolchain for 32 and 64 and compile outside of a vm? [16:15] alienBOB: i use a 12 year old computer [16:15] nyRednek: that's definitely a high-mileage comp [16:15] mishehu: yeah [16:15] got your moneys worth [16:16] mishehu: I used to do that, but my new build box is so much more powerful that I can do this virtual now and still be much faster [16:16] alienBOB: what's the new build box hardware? i5 or i7? [16:16] deyd: I see you have been watching too much Hackers - The movie. A girl is no problem if she means well. [16:16] alienBOB: i need to get a virtual machine on that hardware [16:16] Never Intel [16:17] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-81-210-224-157.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:17] Action: arfon hugs alienBOB [16:17] nyRednek: with 12 year old hardware, a VM will not make you happy performance-wise [16:17] troy_ (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:18] with a 12 year old machine you might as well tie bricks to it and drop it in the river (but really, please don't pollute) if you want a vm on it [16:18] An AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor and 8GB of RAM, plus Slackware64 as the host, does wonders [16:18] mishehu: i meant on alienBOB's computer [16:18] it's great [16:18] quad-core really changes your life when you compile a lot [16:18] nyRednek: hahaha [16:19] adrien: or do other heavily threaded tasks [16:19] nooper_ (~nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] nooper_ (~nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:19] nooper_ (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [16:19] i.e. I use freeswitch a lot [16:19] what is freeswitch? [16:19] nyRednek: I'll just offer to take his new build box off his hands... [16:19] I like intel the best. Tried amd but they shipped their Dual Athlon MP board. A7M-266d in an Unusable state in 2000. It overheated after 1-5 minutes of use so ill never look back. [16:19] arfon: it's a softswitch for voip. [16:19] Ah [16:20] arfon: #freeswitch if your more interested in it. [16:20] alienBOB: btw, how much did you pay for the memory? I've been raging for about one year now: RAM price saw a 2.5x increase (well, 1.5 increase and multiplied by 2.5) [16:20] BlackGoat (~freontrip@p145x235.tceq.state.tx.us) joined ##slackware. [16:20] <---POTs man! VoIP is the tool of the Devil [16:20] It was due to a faulty bios that could be fixed, but their QA was, to say the least "Sucky". [16:20] Hopsington: prior to ahtlon64, I was very unhappy with amd. now 90% of my stuff here is amd. [16:20] mishehu: i'm not that greedy [16:20] arfon: the robot devil yes. [16:20] i love my 6 cores of power, but i think i ran out of things to compile [16:20] mishehu: i'm content with some time on someone's machine [16:21] Wanna compile ffmpeg for me KaMii ? [16:21] arfon: man just use the SBo for ffmpeg [16:21] I NEED to edit some AVI meta tags.... [16:21] xulrunner and qt4 are much worse than ffmpeg or gnash [16:21] sure, i can, 64 or 32 bit? [16:21] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:21] there is no gozer, only xul [16:21] arfon: download my package. [16:21] The SBo? [16:21] or just download aliens package [16:21] No, mine [16:21] Heck yeah! [16:21] SBo does not have packages [16:22] I forgot you had packages [16:22] arfon: http://www.slackbuilds.org I think [16:22] qemu and webkit-gtk are quite big too (but considered qt includes webkit... :-) ) [16:22] my server isnt online yet [16:22] arfon: let's put it this way, POTS is about 100 a month here, a voip box with cable company, 33/month [16:22] Mowah (1000@c-e580e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:22] nooper (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:22] adrien: i compiled webkit-gtk...not using qt4 [16:22] nyRednek: man I'd rather take a modern day atom-ion than a 12 year old machine. [16:22] Yeah but a silly netgear hub won't kill POTs [16:22] mishehu: I only run intel stuff. You can imagine what hell it's to spend: 3751 dollars on stuff that you must dare to do a bios upgrade on or it cannot be used. [16:23] Heck, storms don't kill POTs [16:23] arfon: well your mistake for trusting your connection to a netgear NAT device [16:23] mishehu: 25000 Swedish [16:23] arfon: i plug a phone into the router, cable into the other side [16:23] nyRednek: webkit-gtk, qtwebkit, chrom*, all ports are actually layers on top of the common "webcore" code [16:23] C'mon, Netgear is teh BEST! [16:23] and storms don't kill this [16:23] [looks around] [16:23] and these layers are tiny compared to webcore, very fast to compile [16:23] Action: mishehu looks for his old IBM Desk Dominator Keyboard to "show" to arfon [16:23] adrien: yeah, i built webcore while building webkit-gtk [16:23] so, comparing qt's build time to webkit-gtk is actually valid ;-) [16:23] KaMii: I'm gonna grab alienBOB's packages [16:24] kk [16:24] mishehu: So AMD is better nowdays or have you seen similar BUGS :) [16:24] he's an alien, but instead of naming himself Ford Prefect he took the less humorous name of "BOB". [16:24] adrien: I hate how google tests for each of those layers instead of just webkit... [16:24] mishehu: Is that the 70's era clickies? [16:24] Hopsington: everything's got bugs [16:24] pprkut: the webkit-gtk guys now fake their UA for google [16:24] arfon: 80's even. they stopped making them sometime mid-80's I think [16:25] arfon: alienBOB has good packages, but i'm trying to build gnash with options he didn't use [16:25] been commited a few days ago [16:25] heh [16:25] clickety-clack, smack, broken bones [16:25] I had one... sexiest feeling keyboard EVAR [16:25] webkit pisses me off. on the one hand they annouce security commits daily and on the other hand it takes 4 and a half months to compile. [16:25] pprkut: but... [16:25] pprkut, the instant thing? it works in rekonq 0.6 for me [16:25] well, I'm on 0.ancient :D [16:25] pprkut: considering the crap googles enables when it finds a "compatible" engine, I'd probably fake my UA as "links" ;-) [16:25] then no bitching allowed ;) [16:26] but I tested in firefox with the useragent, and itwasn't working either [16:26] mishehu: The bigass computer sotre i bought that from said that i need to return every part. Did that but thay said that there where micro-scratches on the CPU's so i got them back. This meant i had to dare to upgrade the bios or be without a computer. I did so and the thing was working perfectly. [16:26] sotre/store [16:26] arfon: an ex-gf of mine once dropped my clickety-clacker on the hardwood floor... all the tops of the keys popped off and she started freaking out... all the while I was more worried that she broke the floor. [16:26] thrice`: I do use qtwebkit 2.0 though [16:26] same here, qt 4.7 [16:26] pprkut: I saw their js-cpu-sucking-crap on their homepage once in seamonkey, then never again [16:26] was happy not to see it anymore [16:26] pprkut: qtwebkit 2.0 ? [16:26] thrice`: qt4.6, but qtwebkit 2.0 ;) [16:26] is 4.7 out of beta already? [16:27] yes, rc1 [16:27] ok, meant out of rc's i guess. [16:27] mishehu: Those metal keyboards are like that... sigh, I miss them [16:27] qtwebkit 2.0.0 is tagged, but not released yet [16:27] X with this ati 4890 card is really annoying me... [16:27] sorry, I thought you meant what you said ;) [16:27] i thought so too :/ [16:27] The stores name was: www.komplett.se (Komplete idiots at that time) [16:27] arfon: if you need it with different settings, send me a sbo and I can compile it for you [16:27] pprkut: is that "webkit2"? [16:27] not once, not twice, but thrice` [16:27] (the multi-process thing) [16:28] Hey KaMii have you played with dual vidcards? [16:28] adrien: nope, it's still the old one [16:28] arfon: no I dont have a crossfire mobo [16:28] Hopsington: I'm imagining the swedish chef as the tech support staff [16:28] pprkut: ah, ok, I was surprised they had it out *that* fast [16:28] (although it's not a change that huge) [16:28] Pfft! Should have known.... [16:28] mishehu: watch yourself im swedish [16:28] Anyone played with dual vid cards? [16:28] pprkut: also, webkit2 is only a layer on top of the same old webcore ;-) [16:28] KaMii: that's ok, feel free to boycott me anytime you want... [16:29] nyRednek: you do not know how I built my gnash... [16:29] mishehu: Yeah, they said they would send images of the micro-scratches they found but i never got any /Lol [16:29] it looks like people involved in webkit suck at finding names ;-) [16:29] (webkit-gtk for instance) [16:29] ... [16:29] ... ... [16:29] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [16:29] Channel flood from deyd -- kicking [16:29] ... ... [16:29] deyd kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:29] Hopsington: I'd call "b.s." on that [16:29] adrien: haha, why doesn't that surprise me D [16:29] um, +b aye? [16:29] ##slackware: mode change '+b deyd!*@*' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [16:29] =) [16:29] what a loser [16:29] dang, slackboy beat alienBOB to the punch.. (or kick) [16:29] Prolly runs Suse [16:29] he's now officially deyd [16:29] pprkut: a big nice mess ;-) [16:30] Is Slackintosh a dead project at this point? [16:30] Hopsington: but I myself am very used to updating firmwares and bioses. [16:30] so no biggy to me [16:30] That Q is for you KaMii [16:30] adrien: I still prefer it over gecko [16:30] BlackGoat: I'm going to guess so, haven't heard of anybody using it myself [16:30] Q? i didnt see it [16:30] KaMii uses it [16:30] mishehu: Makes sense, the IRC channel's been windblown and empty for as long as I remember. [16:31] Slackintosh Q KaMii [16:31] the IE9 beta got me more excited than firefox4... [16:31] pprkut: well, same :P [16:31] oh, Slackintosh, no its not dead [16:31] pprkut: Why? [16:31] last update in the changelog was August 30,2010 13:32:46 [16:31] pprkut: webkit sucks at names, IE sucks at releasing on a regular basis, and mozilla at versionning properly [16:31] Golly. Thanks. [16:31] BlackGoat: no idea. Just my initial reaction to IE9 was "yes!" and to firefox4 it was "aha..." [16:32] slackintosh-current is being built agains slackware-current, from what I have read [16:32] mishehu: Then my father bought a Fujitsu ScaleoX. It too had a faulty bios that somehow destroyed HD's in a rapid pace (3 before i started trying to fix the problem). The problem there was not their bois, but their motherboard. We turned it in 2 times before we realized that they where just stalling. I bought a new motherboard for it for about 50 dollars / 350 Swedish and its been working ever since. [16:33] mishehu: Sorry, forgot it wasnt the bios [16:33] alienBOB: btw, how cool is your new box btw? [16:33] mishehu: It had a north and a south bridge or something silly like that. [16:34] Hopsington: last time I had a serious hardware issue it was while trying to use crappy Digium TDM cards in an intel motherboard [16:34] Digium is supposed to be the Cadillac.... [16:35] arfon: says who??? [16:35] In terms of misbehaving hardware I've come into possession of a GeForce 6800 which has the wrong vertex shader unit marked as "bad" in the BIOS... [16:35] digium is teh suck [16:35] Half-Life 2 is a hilarious adventure of misbehaving polygons changing from one frame to the next. [16:35] mishehu: Yeah, i had not seen anything like this before. The Fujitsu staff told me to upgrade to a new bios at first, but it turned out that the bios they pointed to made the computer unbootable, hence the many "Happy" returns :) [16:35] arfon: everybody I know who switched from digium equipment to sangoma had all their ills cured for them [16:36] I was getting constant NMI's [16:36] Haven't had occasion to test it in a Linux system yet, though that will change this weekend. [16:36] mishehu: And by unbootable i mean, Nothing even beeped and only the power light came on :) [16:36] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [16:37] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-81-210-224-157.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [16:37] So theres not a chanse in hell ill buy an AMD or Fujitsu ever again (Sorry for those i guess) [16:37] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:38] Action: KaMii likes AMD [16:38] if I had blacklisted each hard drive brand I had troubles with... [16:38] mishehu: I worked at a VoIP shop and that's what they said... Judging by your reaction, they were morons? [16:38] (I'd use floppies by now) [16:39] Action: KaMii still uses floppies [16:39] AMD is making fusion cpu's, you should reconsider your boycott. [16:40] Hopsington: interesting how you're confusing Fujitsu with AMD - since it was Fujitsu that hosed you, not AMD [16:40] Action: BlackGoat still has a working 5.25" floppy drive [16:40] arfon: I'm sorry to say, yes. what was the voip shop you worked at? I've been active with freeswitch since it started as a project, and before that I was working a few years with asterisk already. [16:40] KaMii: do you like POTs? [16:40] Action: BlackGoat likes AMD, and generally dislikes Intel [16:40] arfon: i dont do drugs, drugs are bad [16:40] Little place here called Centripitel... Nice guys. [16:41] oh KaMii, you jokerster [16:41] KaMii: POTS is not drugs :) [16:41] They were an Asterix shop [16:41] pot is drus [16:41] drigs [16:41] oh, well then probably not since I have no idea what it is [16:41] but POTS is bad for you [16:41] heh [16:41] POTs != drung [16:41] drugs even [16:41] duh - "POTS is not drugs - pot is a drug" [16:42] i didnt see the s. sorry [16:42] the active ingredient in POTS is cannabis telephonicus [16:42] POTs = heaven [16:42] 'Plain Old Telephone System" - think Ma Bell analog system [16:42] No active ingredient is Cu [16:42] arfon: POTS == heaven??? Echo-o-o-o-o [16:42] LOTS of Cu [16:42] Plain Old Telephone Service? [16:42] arfon, that's just plain old twisted! [16:43] I dont think that still exists in Sweden... I'm on fiber [16:43] You guys make me laugh almost every day! [16:43] like Bran Flakes? [16:43] KaMii: a fiber a day keeps the laggies away [16:43] Not if it's cut... stupid backhoes [16:43] Bran muffin and hellokitty [16:43] there's hoes and then there's backhoes... [16:44] arfon: Take heart - when a fiber optic line gets cut, somebody loses their job. [16:44] Soooo, has anyone played with dual vid cards? [16:44] hellokitty is secretly a package maintainer for slackware [16:44] arfon: works fine for me [16:44] oooh, with POTs you get speed dialing!!!! [16:44] arfon: Not since my big, bad Voodoo2 SLI around 2001 or so... [16:44] What's the trick alisonken1home ? [16:44] arfon: supported chipsets and KDE :) [16:45] KDE? It's not X dependent? [16:45] I may have to change my nick to hellokitty one day [16:45] prolly taken KaMii [16:45] :S fine, HelloKaMii [16:45] arfon: it's X independent, but I use KDE, so can't say about other WM's. Last time I did dual display and xorg.conf was about 8 years ago [16:45] KaMii: Fly your derivative freak flag high. [16:45] :P [16:46] Nice KaMii [16:46] alisonken1home: Both Fujitsu and AMD "Hosed" me on those deals. [16:46] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-81-210-224-157.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:46] You think XFCE would have a problem with dual cards? [16:46] Hopsington you should consider letting go of the rage. [16:46] Hopsington: AMD just provided the cpu, Fujitsu is who provided the board and bios - so why are you blaming AMD for Fujitsu hosing you? [16:46] KaMii: hellokitty is currently used iirc [16:46] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC34E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: good night o/ [16:47] mancha: Theres no rage in explaining what we all did 10 years ago. [16:47] Hopsington: Did AMD mail you a box of poo? I think this is Fujitsu's fault... [16:47] arfon: shouldn't - as long as you have X setup so it provides a single large desktop [16:47] alisonken1home: Read... It was 2 computers [16:48] AMD - Bad bios. Fujitsu Bad Mobo (etc). [16:48] As the famous chinese philosopher, hu flung pu, once said, did AMD ship you poo?? [16:48] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431579.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Is it possible to have desktop 1 on one and desktop 2 on the other? [16:48] (Not X:1 and X:2) [16:48] Or was it a shue ? :) [16:48] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:48] Hopsington: I'd be surprised if AMD wrote the BIOS... [16:48] arfon: I don't think so [16:48] Drat [16:48] I NEED two desktops..... [16:49] iirc, the spec doesn't allow that but everything is not compliant [16:49] BlackGoat: My suspicion as well, for both computers [16:49] arfon: you have a crossfire mobo with two gpus? [16:49] arfon: you can make a window appear on all desktop as a work-around however [16:49] HA! I'm not rich KaMii [16:49] Hopsington: again - AMD does NOT provide the bios, that's typically your mobo manufacturer that does that [16:49] BlackGoat: It was at the time they wanted to put spyware into the bioses etc, so who knows. [16:50] alisonken1home: Yeah. [16:50] I've got a 486 with a Ti-99 as a console..... :P [16:50] Hopsington: I'm inclined to blame the BIOS manufacturers / writers rather than the CPU manufacturers. Those are the people into whose mouths you should pee. ^_^ [16:50] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] BlackGoat: Ive never had any problems with any of my CPU's [16:50] arfon: you have a 486 and you keep telling me to throw away my IBM Thinkpad 760e? [16:50] typically, the BIOS is licensed to the mobo mfgr, and the mobo mfgr is the one that actually writes it [16:50] KaMii: Let's be fair, a 486 can be a *great* flower press. [16:51] BlackGoat: Maybe the Intel bug for x86 in the P200 etc days :) [16:51] When my desktop boots, the BIOS message clearly says development version, not for sale... in it [16:51] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [16:51] f00f [16:51] Ah, f00f. [16:51] Yep [16:51] Mine boots KaMii [16:51] :P [16:51] Hopsington: if you're worried about spyware in BIOSes by amd or whatever, you should have a look at intel moves in the field =) [16:51] But it was worked around [16:51] Is Patrick still committed to 486es? I seem to remember an old tweet saying he was considering moving past it. [16:51] mine boots also.... just the HDD squeels so I took it out and it wont boot with a boot disk... not sure why, havent figured it out yet [16:52] BlackGoat: 32bit is not going to be abandoned [16:52] just as easy to compile 486 w686 optimizations as it is to compile 686 straight [16:52] Needs more bearing grease KaMii [16:52] adrien: Im not worried, but you seem to be if im not mistaken. [16:52] alienBOB: Oh, Lord, I know that. :P [16:52] arfon: probably, but im not opening the HDD to greese it [16:53] But, support for the oldest CPUs may have to be dropped at some point [16:53] WD-40 :) [16:53] Hopsington: I'm not worried, but saying AMD is doing evil things without mentionning intel is missing a whole part of the picture [16:53] march=686 > march=486 mtune=686 [16:53] mancha: Seconded. [16:53] I do not even know if a current kernel will boot on a 486 [16:53] arfon: What you asked above (about dual cards, each running xfce4) should work.. [16:53] that looks like a job for arfon [16:53] adrien: This is bug-related. We wherent talking about security. [16:54] you mentionned it actually =) [16:54] ? [16:54] I'm of the impression that anyone committed to running on a 486 should probably just stick with Slack11 and update packages + kernel as needed... [16:54] arfon: Assuming X can POST the second card. [16:54] i think the kernel can be compiled for 386, yet [16:54] 486? how much RAM on it? [16:54] BlackGoat++ [16:54] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:54] alienBOB: i do know the configure options in your slackbuild...didn't like them [16:54] adrien: Where, paste this back to me, in the channel ? [16:54] and if you're after perf, use x86_64 [16:55] arfon: if you go dual-display w/dual xfce desktops, you can move the mouse between the monitors but not the windows. [16:55] "Hopsington : BlackGoat: It was at the time they wanted to put spyware into the bioses etc, so who knows." [16:55] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:55] I'm using Slack13.1 x86 on a box with an Athlon64, just to avoid learning about multilib right now. [16:55] adrien: Aha, yeah youre right. [16:55] a 486 could serve as a wonderful firewall/nat/router for example [16:55] wine, skype, _maybe_ flash [16:56] nyRednek: gnash options you did not like? Tell me [16:56] that's the only 3 apps that I hear requiring 32bit [16:56] BlackGoat: I'm using Slack32 o a dual-core X86_64 because the wife wants her HuluDesktop and Skype [16:56] and since I only have 1G ram with a dual display, slack32 is just fine [16:56] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_charrr [16:56] adrien: What to do with a drunken bios, drunken bios, drunken bios. Lets shoot it, Lets shoot, it Lets shoot it :) [16:56] Great, I'm thinking of grabbing another nvida card this weekend and trying it out.... Any idea of how the Official nvidia driver will work? [16:56] (I'd like to get a card with the same chipset as my existing vid [16:56] g_3man (~wojciech@abnt35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:57] i think VBox needs mulitilib [16:57] Slack64 seemed to hum along without a care in the world in 2 gigs of RAM. Anything north of 512 would probably be fine for legions of uses... [16:57] arfon: works great - and I believe there's an nvidia utility to setup/modify the xorg.conf to taste [16:57] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-119-45.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:57] arfon: I'm not an nvidia guy, but I believe the drivers do properly support multiple video cards and separate screens. [16:57] arfon: i use NVIDIAS official driver, but not for two cards [16:58] Bear in mind that with what you were asking above, you won't be able to move windows between the monitors. [16:58] sniff sniff... You guys just made me the happiest nerd! [16:58] BlackGoat: actually, Slack and Slack64 work OK on 512M ram and work good on 1G ram - I'm proof of that (unless you're doing exotic stuff) [16:58] I use them too KaMii but, never for two cards.... [16:58] best = unhook the intartubes [16:59] alisonken1home: I agree. Out of the box with Xfce running, only around 140 MB RAM is used... and I've reason to think free -m is overreporting the situation slightly. [16:59] i dont see why it wouldnt work. But why do you want to move desktops between screens? [16:59] I just need one more fix mancha then I'll quit... [16:59] adrien: I had a network card once, a very old 3com card that for some reason stopped transmitting (TX). Took my card (front wheel drive), put it underneath one of the front tyres. Rewwed it to 7000 RPM and released the clutch. End of problem :P [16:59] doh [16:59] card/car [17:00] KaMii: it's a driver thing - if you have separate X instances/separate WM instances, there's still work to do to allow both of them to communicate with each other due to priviledge comms and security [17:00] 3com was such a solid nic [17:00] I had a serious kernel/driver problem on an rtl8169, was both an option in the bios and something in the kernel [17:00] mancha: Very, it still is. [17:00] anyone know why when I tried relatime on my /home and then went back to 'defaults' mutt is still messed up like relatime is used? [17:00] Because KaMii, I'm having trouble debugging a script that I wrote and I want it on one screen and the crashes on the other.... [17:00] Hopsington: Well done. I remember throwing a bad CRT off a 60 foot high bridge when I was in high school - that was FUN. [17:01] much better than all that ne2k compatible caca that came out at bargain basement prices [17:01] Bah! 3com sux'd [17:01] arfon: The crashes aren't bringing down X, are they? [17:01] oh ok, hrm... if your good at programing you can be GOD! [17:01] BlackGoat: An awesome release after hours of failure-hunting. Felt sooo damn good :) [17:01] BlackGoat: Good on you. [17:01] then you will have lots of fame and money and you can buy a sexy computer [17:02] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:02] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [17:02] I had more headaches with 3coms.... [17:02] mancha: In fairness, I built a lot of cheap systems around NE2000-capable ISA cards picked up for nothing at trade shows. [17:02] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-213.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:02] Slackware headaches.... Windows headaches.... [17:02] Good old RTL cards just worked [17:02] KaMii: Gowd and coding. Naah, but you get alot of friends and learn new programming skills. [17:03] NE2000!! LOVED EM [17:03] Is there a channel for ext filesystem? [17:03] Black, yeah they were cheap and easy since everyonehad ne2k drivers, but a quick look at the packet-loss stats showed 3com was the king of the pack! [17:03] Action: BlackGoat is reminded that he's a geologist in a room full of programmers... [17:03] Action: KaMii is not a programmer [17:03] As long as the end users got their pr0n, they didn't care about packet loos [17:03] loss [17:04] Does anyone remember the Ne2k and earlier isa NIC cards that you had to set IRQ and DMA parameters for ? /What crap technology that was [17:04] A geologist and 2 programmers goes into a bar... [17:04] It worked Hopsington [17:04] Has Intel released USB V3 yet btw ? [17:05] I started with Arcnet cards because ethernets cost $100/card [17:05] ugh setting irq sucked [17:05] arfon: Yes, but what a pain to be fair. [17:05] and sometimes, if you bought it 2nd hand you didn't have the dos app that could change it! [17:05] {{{Thomas-Conrad}}} [17:05] arfon: And the puns that ensued could choke a donkey. [17:05] Hopsington: if you want to go back a little farther, try the nic's that didn't have chips - they were boxes of discrete components [17:06] Hopsington: none of their hardware support it and implementing it is left to mobo manufacturers;, the linux kernel supports it [17:06] arfon: I liked coaxial cables a bit though. No plastic shit in the ends of the cables that broke. You know that shit we have nowdays... [17:06] (and next intel hardware will not support it) [17:06] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-78.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] careful folks, at this point alison pulls out the bottle of rum and starts with his 300 baud modem stories! [17:06] Hopsington: It was a lot less fun when *every* peripheral in your system had jumper-set resources. Most people I knew kept a sheet of paper on hand with everything scrawled on it. [17:06] alisonken1home: Like the Amiga Proms :) [17:07] They had Arcnet for the TRS-80.... [17:07] shyko (~francisco@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: home! [17:07] BlackGoat: Im so very very glad that tech is moving forward. What crap we even had to go thru just to connect to the internet, not to speak of... reconnecting :( /Ick [17:08] g_3man (wojciech@abnt35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [17:08] Hopsington: Seriously, and the ancient software available at the time didn't help. SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 E620 T6 will be charred into my brain until the day I die. [17:08] If anyone has ever downloaded 50 diskettes via 400 Boud modems youll know :P [17:09] 400 baud!? [17:09] Hopsington: I was lucky - worked at a research facility so had 1200 baud modems available :) [17:09] they were always multiples of 300! [17:09] _RadioHead (~dardan@82.114.94.249) joined ##slackware. [17:09] BlackGoat: Ah yeah, that crap too and many slots for addon ram to the soundcard... at 128K or so each :) [17:10] alisonken1home: Those where much much faster :) [17:10] except for 56k are those actually 57600? [17:10] Until the Sound Blaster 64, which would let you shove in up to 32 MB or so of SIMMs... [17:10] 56k download, 33.6k upload [17:10] yes but is itreally 57600 baud? [17:11] mancha: in the states, by law - binary data transfer is limited to 38.4k - so text is fine, but binary was force limited [17:11] mancha: Yes, at peak throughput with clean lines. [17:11] mancha: Donald Duck bits and bytes. Its seems to be what we will all have to get used to im afraid. [17:11] then they came out with the funky protocils, x2 and i forget the other [17:11] or 33.6 - just remember that binary was limited [17:12] oh yeh, k56flex [17:12] why is it every night everyone has to talk about their old computer parts that the common wrist watch can out perform today? [17:13] ATDT... Ksssh, Bleeep, bip bip bip, beeep, Kssshhhhhhhh Handshake. You could even dial those numbers and semi fake the handshake [17:13] +++ [17:13] KaMii: Sometimes it's just fun. [17:13] when im your age, will I be talking about way back when, when I had an AMD Phenom II x6? [17:13] at&f [17:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:13] at&fe1... [17:13] KaMii: At that point desktops may not even exist... cheerless thought that is. [17:14] what will we have? [17:14] KaMii: Nostalgia and perhaps meet someone very good to talk to. [17:14] etc [17:14] or WWIII will happen and we will forget what a computer was, I will just have sticks and stones in my cave [17:15] KaMii: Yes, and Steve Jobs will be selling clumps of dirt with an Apple scrawled on them for six stones; all the competitors will only charge 2 or 3, but the Apple will make it a status symbol. [17:16] do you guys read RSS feeds? [17:16] For instance, id like a new monkey Island game that has the same coolness as monkey island 1,2 (3 sucked arse). But it can have better graphics etc. [17:16] Because at that point only the well-educated will even remember what apples were... [17:16] mad max stumbles on the carcass of an old thinkpad while looking for uncontaminated water [17:16] Or Maniac Mansion. That game was nice. [17:16] nothing beats WoW [17:16] Elite ftw [17:16] warzone2100 [17:16] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-81-210-224-157.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [17:17] what is this? he wonders as looks at the strange design of gold on green... [17:17] Whats that from ? [17:17] the dark recesses of my brain [17:18] KaMii: When the game's no longer profitable and the servers are gone, who will be WoW's advocates then? [17:18] MM i guess mancha ? [17:19] http://www.amnesiagame.com/#main [17:19] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Maniac Mansion, or perhaps its hmm, Phantasmagoria [17:20] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ ! [17:20] "Adobe® Flash® Player "Square" is a preview release that enables native 64-bit support on Linux, Mac OS, and Windows operating systems, as well as enhanced support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 9 beta." [17:20] should have removed these stupid (c)/(tm) signs [17:21] I like that flash player thingy. [17:21] Its fileformat is quite complex. Not what i had anticipated some years ago. [17:22] Its like XML, but its not [17:22] "Those using the previous 64-bit version of Flash Player for Linux should find this new version even faster and more stable." <- "fast*er* and *more* stable"? xD [17:22] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: gn8 [17:23] BlackGoat: at that time, I will have my own server and be ruler of the World.... of warcraft [17:23] adrien: That means that it now has some measure of speed and stability. Even a micron's progress north is still closer than you were. :P [17:23] Srbo (~Srbo@ip-81-210-224-157.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:23] adrien: Its not been without bugs, but would you rather have been using the dreaded and useless RealPlayer Garbage ? [17:24] KaMii: I do wonder if they'd try to prosecute anyone who ran a server once the game itself had been shut down. [17:24] I think NOT :) /Good riddance [17:24] BlackGoat: there are already a lot of free servers [17:24] _RadioHead (~dardan@82.114.94.249) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:24] not sure xD [17:24] BlackGoat: I'm making fun of the comparative: it meant it was fast and stable [17:25] BlackGoat: Running servers isnt a fellony. Its a duty [17:25] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] adrien: I know. :P [17:25] alisonken1home: btw, flash player square explicitely states hulu.com "may have video playback issues" [17:25] Hopsington: I agree. I just wonder if Vivendi/ActiBlizzard would disagree. [17:25] BlackGoat: If it was a game server and i was the author of the game i would applaud you. [17:25] Nope [17:26] <--Ran his own UO server for awhile... PAIN IN THE @$$ [17:26] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:26] UT ? [17:26] arfon: Don't doubt it, but Ultima Online is... blech. SO blech. Hilarious glitches in the early days, though. [17:26] UO [17:27] I used Wolfpack on Slack :) [17:27] Ive run many servers, theyll just tell you if they dont want you to do that. If youve bought it youre free to take a piss on the game and post the photo of that whereever you want. [17:27] Not that you should :) [17:28] It's not illegal to run a server, it's a violation of your client's contract (EULA) [17:28] BlackGoat: Does aomeone say you cant ? [17:28] jgor (~jgor@loki.indiecom.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:28] jgor (jgor@loki.indiecom.org) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Hopsington: Not to my knowledge. [17:29] arfon: For the end users, if it can be done with the game itll never be illegal [17:29] BlackGoat: ^ [17:29] And the issue is thus settled. [17:29] Yep. [17:30] Man, I'm hungry. Shame I can't eat a copy of Windows Vista, though I'm sure it'd send my cholesterol through the roof. [17:30] Oh Hopsington, you fail to realise the power of the Darksid... Political money.... [17:30] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Quit: You Welcome to join my channel ##Iraqi [17:30] Then I'd explode, spraying my coworkers with bacon-smelling Microsoft Fat(tm). [17:31] The disc sits in front of me, mocking me with its squinty little pig eyes. [17:31] No, Bacon is good... Your chest would explode and a copy of Exchange would come flying out. [17:31] arfon: As im a bit on the "dark side" i can tell you that noone will first release a game and then sue its users for what they can do with said game. [17:31] can cp show you percentage on how much copying is left? [17:31] 34% 44% 67% 89% 100% File Copied. [17:31] SWGemu what? [17:32] Blizzard has sent out nasty-grams also [17:33] cmdl1n3 (~cmdline@AMontsouris-159-1-55-139.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:33] arfon: Unless its cracked and distributed to some millions of people that is. Then you would be crossing the zones, ending up in the black zone. The grey zone is nice and dandy. [17:34] Nope. You're in violation of the EULA when you connect those games to an 'un-authorized server' [17:34] BlackGoat: So youre a vegitarian ? [17:34] Heck, some say you can't try and reverse engineer them. [17:34] arfon: EULA's mean shit. They arent legally binding. [17:34] Hopsington: Nope, I just don't care for Windows Vista. :P [17:35] Hopsington: I eat vegetarian meals a few times a week, but I couldn't give up meat voluntarily. [17:35] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [17:35] BlackGoat: Windows is dead to me since about 1996 [17:35] Hopsington: seen that recent thing about first sale and software? [17:35] BlackGoat: Cabbage ? :) [17:36] ut: Nope, doesnt affect me [17:36] Hopsington: Games are the only reason I still use Windows, and I'm starting to wean myself. [17:36] Hopsington: Yes, I love cabbage. [17:37] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:37] Im 35 soon, i play once in a while but not so much anymore. Mostly movies and emailings etc etc [17:37] Amnesia: The Dark Descent is really, really good, and had a native Linux port that works a treat. [17:37] warzone2100 was nice though, but a wee bit too hard at times. [17:38] BlackGoat: Alrighty [17:38] Vendetta works very well on Slackware, if they would only fix the documentation. [17:39] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.75.182) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Plants VS Zombies was an uplifting experience i must say. Version 2 is coming out soon ive heard. Im really loking forward to that (under wine) [17:39] That sounds as exciting as Snail n Turtle Rallye [17:39] cabrilo (~cabrilo@unaffiliated/pechorin) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:40] It took about 48 hours to complete if you had another good player to switch tracks with etc. [17:40] All bonus tracks etc etc [17:41] So i must say that Eidos entertainment and Popcap something i bet has provided what i call good games. [17:42] Wonder if ID software will release something soon... ? [17:42] Eh, id sucks. [17:42] A new Duke Nukem... I liked that as well [17:42] And has for years. [17:43] adrien: that flash plugin works. Nice [17:43] They made the first quake. I can hardly say they suck as all others took after them and created Castle Wolfenstein etc etc etc [17:43] alienBOB: Good to know. Does it seem to work well? [17:44] BlackGoat: How can you say that btw ? [17:44] alienBOB: hahaha, you've been pretty quick to try it ;-) [17:44] Is flash patched for the LATEST vunerability? [17:44] is Vendetta still terrible? [17:44] Hopsington: Oh, I loved most of their output up to and including Quake III Arena, though Quake II was sort of a dud... but Doom 3? The new Wolfenstein? [17:44] arfon: this is a preview of their re-written player [17:44] ie really bad textures, really bad/stupid npcs, no content? :P [17:45] alienBOB: does it run faster? [17:45] adrien: I have packages already and an updated SlackBuild [17:45] Have you put the package on your website yet? :)) [17:45] thumbs: I can not tell. But it works better than gnash for sure! [17:45] downst (~rfore@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:45] arfon: not yet [17:45] alienBOB: that's a good sign. [17:45] BlackGoat: They also made a new game engine rather recently. To be fair i must say i love all their works. [17:45] I can see my wordpress stats again, and youtube vids [17:45] That is enough for now [17:45] I'm not very surprised: on win7 x64, IE defaults to 32bit and that's a performance hit, and a missed opportunity to have a faster "browser" (32bit apps on 64bit windows create a 5 to 15% slowdown, and 64bit is also much much faster) [17:45] Quake III Arena was fun [17:45] What are you waiting for? [arfon refreshes alienBOB's web page] [17:46] alienBOB: well, gotta try it then =) [17:46] forgot to finish my message: my point was that MS probably pushed quite hard for a 64bit flash plugin [17:46] BlackGoat: Did you like Max Payne ? [17:46] BlackGoat: I thought it was very cool. [17:47] Hopsington: Doom 3 wasn't great; Quake 4, Wolfenstein, and Enemy Territory: Quake Wars were all varying degrees of shin-kickingly awful. [17:47] Hopsington: Max Payne was all right, though the writing was pretty hilariously bad. [17:47] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) joined ##slackware. [17:48] adrien: True. That's not to be underestimated in terms of impact. I wonder how this news will be taken in The Land of the Reality Distortion Field...? [17:49] heh [17:49] Are there Sleestak in the Land of Reality Distortion Field? [17:50] arfon: They live inside Jobs' beard, and occasionally huddle in his turtleneck for warmth. :P [17:50] Are they armed with throwing stars? [17:51] BlackGoat: I see the beauty in what you would nowdays call "The best game ive ever played"... Until the next game comes along that beats it :) [17:51] Yes, tiny ones. [17:51] Where's TSA when you need them? [17:51] It would be neat if Japan had kept that awful man. [17:52] BlackGoat: Quake 1 was the first good 3d shooter and 3d engne unless you can correct me ? [17:52] He's Jobs Christ to the Apple Bois [17:52] engine [17:52] Wolfenstein [17:52] arfon: What do you mean ? [17:52] It was the first good sd [17:52] 3d [17:52] Hopsington: The first true 3D engine used in a shooter was Descent's, I think... that, or the engine used by Origin for one of the Ultimate games, and later System Shock. [17:53] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Wolfenstein 3D was the first "good" 3D FPS. Catacombs 3D was also done by id, but used zesty EGA graphics and was really primitive. [17:53] Ultima Underworld [17:53] FriedBob: Thank you. [17:53] BlackGoat: Decent used ID's game engine [17:53] BlackGoat: Wasnt it even ID's game ? [17:54] Action: Hopsington Memory like a hawk on steroids [17:54] Hopsington: I don't quite grok that sentence, but I thought we were discussing games in general, not id's specifically. [17:54] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.75.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:54] We entered that arena. Ok, lets bump out. [17:54] But there's stuff to talk about besides 3D vidya games. [17:54] *** Bump *** :) [17:54] thanks, I will check Ultima Underworld [17:55] arfon: Yeah, the Cult of Apple makes me uncomfortable to say the least. [17:55] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:55] EVERYONE KNOWS, Slackware is the one true religon [17:55] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.217.185) joined ##slackware. [17:55] http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html lol wat [17:56] BlackGoat: Im playing some warzone2100 on Fedora, but it lacks images and videos. Nowdays theres not much QA below the base systems it seems. I like packagers that love and test the software they package. [17:57] arfon: No, The Church of the Subgenius is the one true religion. :P [17:57] Fedora - frowns [17:57] aarchvile: I'm genuinely afraid of clicking that link. [17:57] PFFT! COSG is just an excuse for a party [17:57] Ubuntu must be the worst in this area, but it works a bit... [17:57] hannah montana linux > everything [17:57] Well, that's not quite what I expected. Wonder what developmentally stunted bridge underdweller's responsible for this. [17:58] Ubuntu's pretty good at what it does. It's just not what *I* do. [17:58] good attitude :) I hate people who claim $distro sucks! [17:58] although, I guess some do suck [17:58] Hey, If Ubuntu brings ppl to Linux, I support it (as long as it doesn't deviate too much) [17:58] I dont like that worthington guy that *made* it [17:58] missyrissy (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [17:59] And it's gotta be said, 10.04 CHUGS on a 1200 MHz Athlon Thunderbird. o_O [17:59] Debian packages the stuff but ubuntu seems to like the lowest versions as possible of packages and then mostly what the authors said not to use, or retracted software versions. [17:59] Worthington != Shuttleworth, you silly person. :P [17:59] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:59] hey 1200MHz, that's faster than my dual core runs at idle! [17:59] Who is Worthington? [17:59] whatever [17:59] alienBOB: bad, bad news... this update unfucked kongregate.com which hadn't been working for almost two years, going to spend way too much there now I think /o\ [17:59] in fact thast 50% faster than my quad core runs at idle! :P [18:00] shuttleworth, worthington, sounds the same [18:00] BlackGoat: Where you talking to me or... ? [18:00] i dont like him [18:00] ubuntu is trying to do a challenging thing [18:00] He prolly has beady eyes [18:00] i fear he will micro$oftify Ubuntu [18:00] What sort of challenge? [18:01] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [18:01] thrice`: To use the debian packages and refuse to use the latest so things may actually work ok you mean ? [18:01] HM Linux has to be a parody. I am not WILLING to concede that this is real. [18:01] KaMii: If he does, it will fail (like the other attempts) and some other distro will step up. [18:01] BlackGoat: Deal with the truth boy :) [18:02] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Though I kinda want to see a Hanna Montana music video with "Bob's" head superimposed over hers, and, say, Throbbing Gristle playing instead of her music. [18:02] sooner or later someone may succeed where others failed... i just hope he never tries to make a profit off linux [18:02] Well guy,s quitting time.... laters [18:02] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.52) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:03] and arfon goes to the pub [18:03] BlackGoat: I want this Ballmer guy to quit microsoft. He seems too angry. [18:03] why not? profit is good [18:03] BlackGoat: so you're opposed to child stars releasing linux distros for their fans? [18:03] GPL compatible too [18:03] BlackGoat: With that type of a cement forehead i bet he can walk thru walls :P [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431579.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:04] nyRednek: I get the impression this is less an "official project" and more of a "joke" or "horrifying attempt to unveil something to the world for which no one had asked." :P [18:04] Hopsington: He can crush clams with it. I've heard stories. [18:04] it looks amazing [18:04] i want it [18:04] BlackGoat: and you're also tone deaf to sarcasm [18:04] wow hannah montannah linux, im impressed [18:04] BlackGoat: it sounds alright to me. I doubt it'd be anything more than few theme changes and desktop toys on top of ubuntu [18:05] based on kubuntu... lol, looks like its just kubuntu with a hannah montanna kde theme [18:05] nyRednek: Not really, I'm just playing along. :P [18:05] BlackGoat: I hosted a crayfish party last weekend. Maybe i could had hired him to crack the shells with his ginormous anger :P [18:05] had/have [18:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431579.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:05] oooh hannah montana.... [18:06] i was thinking about making my own linux with linux from scratch [18:06] KaMii: not so hard if you have a few months to spare [18:06] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:06] not so hard? more like incredibly easy! [18:06] KaMii: A fast compiling computer is A and O. [18:07] ya, one day i may do it, but id make a distro for myself not others [18:07] wow selfish! [18:07] KaMii: you'd end up basing it on slackware [18:07] as if the world needs another distro :P [18:07] FrankD: I take that as some sort of joke.. [18:07] Hopsington: What, exactly? [18:07] FrankD: it would be only customized for that system [18:07] so I doubt anyone would want it [18:08] X where X equals FF [18:08] I compile all my packages with march/mtune=native! ;) [18:08] X where X equals 0xFF [18:08] I tried sorcerer, but that turned out to not be what I was looking for [18:09] FrankD: What desktop ? [18:09] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Hopsington: I'm confused by your question! [18:09] FrankD: IE: Beyound Linux From Scratch (BLFS) [18:09] FrankD: IE: Beyond Linux From Scratch (BLFS) [18:09] Hopsington: ahh no, just [18:09] Slack :P [18:09] You could build your own distro, but if you want fun and frustration, just run a bleeding-edge Sid install. [18:09] GArik_ (~wesnoth@93-81-226-1.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:10] FrankD: LFS isnt slack [18:10] Hopsington: I never said a thing about LFS [18:10] BlackGoat: btw, I think HM linux is a good thing.... if it's real [18:11] mako-sama: looks real, im on the website [18:11] i was thinking about making my own linux with linux from scratch [18:11] not so hard? more like incredibly easy! [18:11] KaMii: on HM website? [18:11] it would be even better if they do a little bit of advertising on the show :b [18:11] mako-sama: I think it's fine, honestly. Doesn't affect my life in any way. :) [18:11] hannahmontana.sourceforge.net [18:11] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [18:11] but they lack a lot of info on the distro [18:11] Hopsington: what's that have to do with LFS? [18:11] like, kernel version, etc [18:12] i doubth Miley cyrus has anything to do with it [18:12] KaMii: when I say real, I mean 'official by hannamontana' [18:12] what about a slackware hannah montana remix? [18:12] it looks like a fan made a KDE theme and packaged it into a kubuntu fork [18:12] 13 [18:12] FrankD: Linux From Scratch (LFS) / i was thinking about making my own linux with linux from scratch. [18:13] http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Song.html hahaha [18:13] hrm, i wonder if thats legal [18:13] KaMii: anyway, the name is a registered TM. they'll be forced to change the name if it's not official :| [18:13] Hopsington: stop reposting what I wrote [18:13] Someone is very bored or very obsessed. On the bright side, this is probably better than cancer. :) [18:14] FrankD: Quite frankly i cant see what youre talking about unless youre a bot. [18:14] Hopsington: yes, but that doesn't mean *I* meant to use LFS to make a 'distro' :P it also doesn't mean that *I* use LFS for anything [18:14] KaMii Sorry, will do. [18:14] KaMii: I just looked at the website. it looks like crap. [18:14] Hopsington: are you seriously that deficient? :P [18:14] it's certainly not official [18:15] FrankD: And you also dont like to see new distros and infact you dont even like linux. Is that a fair assumption ? [18:15] Hopsington: so.. you're a bot, amirite? [18:15] Action: Hopsington thinks enough is said. [18:15] or just a huge troll? [18:15] i doubt the person that made that distro knows much about linux, they just made a kde theme in kubuntu then repackaged the livecd [18:16] It'd be kinda nifty for someone to create a reskinned Slackware 3 and call it New Kids Linux. [18:16] I still have a Slack 3 CD laying around [18:16] 36DAAJQCR (~orzech@elj74.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:16] Slackware 3? [18:16] ramiroec (c86c8823@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.108.136.35) joined ##slackware. [18:16] i have slack 4 on floppy [18:17] that's an old stuff [18:17] KaMii: Oh, the possibilities abound. Any flavor-of-the-week pop star can be immortalized in time-appropriate software. [18:17] ugh floppy installs.. get A/AP/L/N in, setup ppp and the modem, download X, AfterStep, new kernel.... :P [18:17] lol, Slack 4 Vanilla Ice [18:17] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:18] Slack 5, Tone-loc [18:18] SLS Linux - MC Hammer Edition [18:18] I would totally use that [18:18] you cant touch this [18:18] wow [18:18] its right around my 10 year anniversary with slackware O.o [18:19] Action: FrankD hugs Slack [18:19] you've been so good to me! [18:19] "The first time I booted up and saw Hammer's face looking at me in glorious 16 color mode on my Trident VGA card, and heard that 8-bit mono login sound I knew this was going to be something special." [18:19] lol [18:19] only if you can get it to start playing you cant touch this during bootup after alsa modules load [18:19] Let's be thankful this never actually happened... [18:20] FrankD: So, what do you think about Oracle ? [18:20] ... Trident, what are you, rich? [18:20] Oh, it'd be OSS back during SLS, wouldn't it? [18:20] instead of penguins its little bobble heads of MC Hammer? [18:20] FrankD: Oh, God, what would you be using back then? [18:20] back in the ISA days, I had a Cirrus Logic 768kb VGA card :P [18:20] hmm... using encrypted disks sounds great, but I don't like the idea of losing everything if something happens to the partition header [18:20] KaMii: yep, with another bobble head for every additional CPU. [18:21] FrankD: What color was it ? [18:21] forget what I had while I had VESA, got Tridents with PCI [18:21] Hopsington: .. what? :P [18:21] FrankD: The Cirrus Logic 768K VGA card [18:21] IIRC it was a fairly standard green color PCB. :P [18:21] God, there were so many video chip manufacturers back then. I even remember finding a Compaq 386 near a dumpster with Western Digital *video.* [18:22] Hopsington: oh.. I have that. it came with a TV tuner too [18:22] FrankD: No, it was laminate. What was the label text printed in ? :) [18:23] Action: FrankD raises an eyebrow [18:23] groundnuty (~orzech@elj74.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:23] ahahah go to #hml its the hannah monatanna linux chat [18:23] This, um, OK [18:23] KaMii: I'm there, dude. [18:24] KaMii: why would anyone do that? beside extreme boredom [18:24] no idea [18:24] im reading a blog about this guy rating hml and he really knows nothing about linux [18:24] he has no idea what sudo is [18:24] BlackGoat: tell him that he'd get sued [18:24] and he has no clue what a .deb is [18:24] me either [18:24] i just login as root 200% of the time [18:25] if its not a .tgz or .txz i dunno what it is either [18:25] FrankD: Assume it's a potato. [18:25] KaMii: he's using a TM. he'll either get sued or his idea will get adopted into something real. [18:25] mmmm potatos [18:25] ahahaa this guy says that serious business useres need to change to HML if they want to get work done [18:25] FrankD: You would if you coded adminitrational programs that emits actions on files that only root can access, now wouldnt you ? [18:25] wtf [18:26] -_- [18:26] KaMii: Whats this HML =? [18:26] this cannot be real [18:27] OK, my brain is melting, and it's time to go home. [18:27] Hopsington: if I knew what you meant by adminitrational, I might be able to answer your question. [18:27] it has to be a joke, someone dowload the torrent and see [18:27] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [18:27] BlackGoat (~freontrip@p145x235.tceq.state.tx.us) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:27] FrankD: I need no help, its "administrational" [18:28] Hopsington: ah see the missing S just threw me way off [18:28] mdeanda (~mdeanda@cpe-76-172-122-107.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:28] FrankD: Its along word and i didnt feel like retyping it. [18:28] yes, that word does get along.. hey wait a minute! [18:28] FrankD: S's are for evil people [18:29] like atan [18:29] And angry people [18:29] Yep, or hesus [18:29] cosin()? [18:29] :P [18:29] tan [18:29] stafl [18:29] its Cosine [18:29] says its mad at atan() [18:29] no its cos() [18:29] :P [18:30] (##slackware) Channel ban on deyd!*@* expired. [18:30] ##slackware: mode change '-b deyd!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:30] how is slackware number 12 on distrowatch.com? [18:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.217.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:31] as opposed to? [18:31] the biased media don't pay the attention slackware deserves [18:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.252.0) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Enthrall! [18:31] what you guys think about? [18:32] ... [18:32] hey, who makes a laptop that isnt a piece of junk aside from Lenovo? [18:32] ... [18:33] ... [18:33] now that we got that over with [18:33] laptop advice? :P [18:33] Zepto, is very good but our current government seems to have shut them down after tonns of sold computers. [18:33] I have one and love it [18:33] isnt enlightenment just a bloated version of Fluxbox? [18:34] Not that the other government was any better, rather useless [18:34] Action: FrankD sighs [18:34] KaMii: Fluxbox is new:er. [18:35] KaMii: To call Enlightenment bloated whould be like wrapping your head in tinfoil and calling yourself gowd of your own lawn :) [18:36] i wonder if they still actively develop AfterStep [18:36] wescotte (1000@east-quad-129-89-232-58.prowlnet.uwm.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:37] ok, fine but enlightenement has some extra dependencies flux doesnt have [18:37] Now, if yould take a dump on that lawn and a cd of winteldos happens to be under it i can agree that you have a point :P [18:37] Hopsington: why are you so negative? [18:37] Any open office gurus around? I have a .csv file I'm opening in calc. It displays file but their are rogue carriage returns in various columns that is preventing another app from opening it. I'm looking for a simple way to strip out these unwanted carriage returns. [18:38] FrankD: Whats the default scheme color in which Afterstep is beeing distributed ? [18:38] and Zepto went bankrupt the government did not shut them down [18:38] v4nelle (~van@79.107.253.251) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:39] Hopsington: "You're a Retard Blue" [18:39] KaMii: They forbid them to sell computers in Sweden... [18:39] merciful_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:39] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:39] most good swedes got out of there 2500 years ago. [18:39] well, its a Danish company not a Swedish company [18:39] haha sorry =/ [18:39] FrankD: Retard perhaps. Im only coding 24 hours a day for OSS users, but whats with the blue ? [18:40] Hopsington: I thought you'd like it [18:40] KaMii: And thats what im saying. They where too cheap and sold too good products. [18:41] Hopsington: So what are you doing, fixing shell scripts? :P [18:41] FrankD: Yes [18:41] Hopsington: Impressive. [18:41] google search doesnt show anything about sweden banning them to be sold, infact it says the opposite [18:41] Yep, its one of the things ive been doing for the past 15 years [18:42] adrien: flashplayer packages are being uploaded now, into my repository [18:42] FrankD: What do you do ? [18:42] Hopsington: At night, I test and fix IBM mainframes.. during the day, I code or build stuff. [18:43] FrankD: And can you show any code with your name tagged to it ? [18:43] Hopsington: suuure [18:43] ... [18:43] Have fun with the cock fight. I am going to bed [18:43] nothing fancy, though! [18:44] ... [18:44] Slaxy (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:46] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:48] Hvc.rr.com is a domain controlled by two name servers at rr.com. Both are on the same IP network. The primary name server is dns-pri-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com. Incoming mail for hvc.rr.com is handled by two mail servers also at rr.com. Both are on the same IP network. [18:48] Nj.rr.com, si.rr.com and nyc.rr.com share both name servers and mail servers with this domain. Nycops.rr.com, ucwphilly.rr.com, rdc-nyc.rr.com, voip.rdc-nyc.rr.com, si.res.rr.com and at least 200 other hosts share name servers with this domain. Austin.rr.com, insight.rr.com, tampabay.rr.com, maine.rr.com, elp.rr.com and at least 24 other hosts share mail servers with this domain. [18:48] Nycops ? [18:49] so, are you some kind of little kid? or just greatly mentally deficient? [18:49] huge personality problems? [18:49] or new york city ops [18:49] ah, ah, ah [18:49] you forget half the conversation, Hopsie old boy [18:50] FrankD: Are you going to continue ? [18:50] [19:56] "GET http://pornshopfinder.com/" cpe-24-161-1-107.hvc.res.rr.com - - [20/May/2006 [18:50] [19:56] rofl? [18:50] [19:57] please put that in #slackware [18:50] alienBOB: is that x64 flash secure? [18:50] Dont forget the lines i pasted sir! :) [18:50] Hopsington: continue what? what are you gonna do? look up some more domain information? :P [18:50] KaMii: adobe "refreshed" this new release [18:51] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:51] oh, but is it recommended to use? [18:51] wait, they made a new x64 release? [18:51] FrankD: Perhaps ill eat you :) [18:51] yup [18:51] im using the x86 version [18:51] because x64 was trash [18:51] and i just found that now hulu.com works again too :) [18:51] Hopsington: O.o [18:51] x64 worked perfectly fine for me [18:51] ya it worked, but it was not secure [18:51] so I didnt use it [18:52] but if alienBOB's is secure, then i will upgrade [18:52] FrankD: Indeedy doo [18:52] cmdl1n3 (~cmdline@AMontsouris-159-1-55-139.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:52] Hopsington: I don't get why you even pasted that, like I'd have the same IP address for over 4 years :P [18:53] or as if I'd be embarassed about going to a porn shop [18:53] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] (for the record, i love "adult" shops) [18:53] FrankD: No, but you should call people retarded. Can i hear a sorry ? [18:53] should/should not [18:53] Hopsington: you're right, I SHOULD call people retarded. you, especially. [18:54] Thanks mr Frank. [18:54] You seem nice [18:54] ramiroec (c86c8823@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.108.136.35) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:54] any time, Hopsie old chap [18:55] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ) [18:55] FrankD, Chappy, is that you ? [18:56] benster (ben@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-tkbyihlwkmqcyhya) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:56] ... what? [18:56] Action: Hopsington Doesnt like you atm [18:57] FrankD: Release your anger :P [18:57] i feel really confused with the conversation between Hopsington and FrankD maybe you two need a private room? [18:58] padded cells may be better [18:58] :) [18:58] Why dont you join your friend ^^^ ? [18:59] Whoos bot is FrankD ? [19:01] whos bot is Hopsington [19:01] !Skn --query [19:01] KaMii: Not a windows loving one [19:01] Whose actually. [19:02] thx wharncliffe [19:02] No problem. [19:02] benster (~the@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-odgdokslqfkumema) joined ##slackware. [19:02] Is KaMii a regular for the past 10 years or ? [19:03] KaMii: You may not answer. [19:03] you tell me [19:03] Aha, 2006 [19:04] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:05] Hopsington: you are making no sense [19:05] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:06] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [19:06] This is why Lilo and others where killed and the "taxi" i was going home in was aimed for by the cops and gave me a bad neck pain for the last 6 years. [19:06] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [19:06] artaud_ (~artaud@189.115.166.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:07] So the rightwing doesnt like Linux, but then im confused because most companies does and so does the users [19:08] Very odd [19:08] KaMii: I think you will. [19:10] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:11] These cops where possibly from a very small town called "Sandviken" - Sandvik minerals etc. [19:11] wtf? [19:11] its called a bot [19:11] and my iggy button isnt working [19:11] "Sandviken" - Sandvik minerals had the first development of windows in the world before USA claimed it as their own [19:12] phrag: we got a bot [19:12] phrag: Get rid of KaMii [19:12] And FrankD [19:18] Nick change: madbear -> realmadbear [19:18] heh [19:19] Hopsington: sandviken? [19:19] Indeed [19:19] Tja gubb [19:19] what about sandviken? [19:19] its in Sweden [19:19] tjenna [19:19] bara engelska [19:20] am i supposed to use different compat libs when i run -current? i was able to run skype for about a day then i updated... [19:20] KaMii: Snip it [19:20] realmadbear: Läget ? [19:20] mdeanda: you probably have to rebuild your compat libs then, check the changelog.txt [19:20] bara bra , frågan är vad som händer här på en skala [19:20] Hopsington: realmadbear this is an english speaking only room [19:21] hmm. well i don't know how to build them. i found them on some site [19:21] mdeanda: regenerate, then [19:21] mdeanda: did you get them from alienBOB's page? [19:21] oh it's simple as that.. ok i'll try it. [19:21] salt: yeah, i believe it was [19:21] KaMii: With 90% non-english speakers i think we can have a few lines. [19:22] mdeanda: yeah, repull the 32-bit packages and recompile [19:22] just warning you, last night people were getting kicked for speaking other languages [19:22] you have been warned [19:23] KaMii: Well, if speaking in another language then im loving the kickage. But in this kickage comes not love, but loss :) [19:23] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [19:23] noticed KaMii ! [19:23] realmadbear: Läget Gubb ? [19:24] Hopsington: im fine, you? :D [19:24] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:26] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.75.182) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:26] realmadbear: Snakka Svenska. Jorå det funkar, fast Sverige är väl inte direkt bra... för oss infödda. Faan varit alök i närmare ett år nu [19:26] is this the same russian bot we had in here the other day? [19:26] but now its using swedish? [19:27] Swedish you dolt [19:27] Alan_Hicks: we need help [19:27] What the hell is wrong with you ? [19:27] Action: KaMii is swedish Hopsington [19:27] Action: Hopsington feels that KaMii needs to go to bed [19:27] Stop bickering. [19:27] Thx [19:28] KaMii: a bot smarter than realmadbear himself? :( [19:28] Hopsington: and yes, it is preferred that people in here use English [19:28] realmadbear: Ett jävla tjaffs med dom här nya glinen [19:28] Hopsington: i dont want the foot! -> alök? [19:28] NaCl: A liberal stance is to be taken [19:28] EC9 ?8740 4683C@40 [19:29] realmadbear: Yepp, surt men det funkar lite iaf. [19:30] realmadbear: Hade kräftskiva förra heögen, fett kul kan jag lova! :) [19:30] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:30] realmadbear: Hade kräftskiva förra helgen, fett kul kan jag lova! :) [19:31] realmadbear: Har bryggt en öl from scratch. Alltså groddat korn och torkat, brassat in det i ugnen etc. Blev helt grymt fin öl [19:32] Hopsington: will this feed you? [19:32] And now back to English [19:32] Hopsington: please go to some offtopic chat and tell them about your parties and you getting drunk, we dont care here [19:32] ssh [19:33] realmadbear: Im fine. Im more worried about our younger configurations.. :) ^^ [19:33] Too snappy i think [19:33] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Gimped [19:34] We will teach them patience. [19:34] Is as good as gold [19:36] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:36] NaCl: Do you not want to speak in the tongue youre raised if such an opportunity should arise ? [19:36] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [19:36] gn Hopsington ! [19:37] gn my friend! [19:37] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [19:39] NaCl: Or do you feel a need to convert every non-english-speaking-natively to abolish their mother tongue and only speak English or american ? (What a Bleep) [19:39] r0dr1g0 (~r0dr1g0@unaffiliated/r0dr1g0) joined ##slackware. [19:40] It's the language the most people know. [19:40] Chin up, try to be proud! [19:40] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:40] Hopsington: Channel Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG [19:40] eek [19:41] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:41] NaCl: And when people meet that are of the same country we are adviced to... not speak ? [19:41] This is a support channel, not a discussion channel. [19:41] Hopsington: /msg is your friend in that case [19:42] Not to say that some OT is not allowed [19:42] Action: FrankD yawns [19:42] Action: NaCl will not discuss this topic further [19:42] KaMii: May i suggest you keep the "ssh" given to you in a friendly mannor ? [19:43] scott0070 (~scott@207.98.152.197) joined ##slackware. [19:43] NaCl: Hell no, things should be loved if they are any good [19:43] Action: mancha farts [19:43] Action: john_dee burps [19:43] Action: dive dies [19:43] Action: Hopsington spanks mancha [19:43] Action: fire|bird lights a match [19:44] NaCl: Hows it like down at that railway station ? [19:45] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:45] I watched the worst movie today: The Human Centipede (Horrible fucking this) [19:45] thing [19:46] Evil bastard that was [19:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:47] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:47] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] mdeanda: is that really necessary... [19:48] bah.. stupid tab completion [19:48] Im making gadmin-torque-cluster now. NASA etc PSB system [19:48] mancha: is that really necessary... [19:48] wescotte (1000@east-quad-129-89-232-58.prowlnet.uwm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:48] yes [19:48] mancha [19:48] can you see this [19:49] mancha: You ignoring jeev or something? lol [19:50] Dominian: wouldn't be the first. [19:50] :) [19:50] thumbs, bite me [19:50] i'm still gonna /kill you [19:51] you guys can't handle the truth [19:51] Go all in with a dos then :P [19:52] I can aplify the dos by a multitude of the Smurf btw [19:52] man [19:52] go back like ten years [19:52] i'd smurf you to death [19:52] i forgot what year it was.. [19:52] ... [19:52] looking for the headers to build papasmurf, damn. [19:52] k3rn3l h34d3rz f00l [19:52] jeev [19:52] hi baby [19:53] jeev: Say that anyone can Play with you... so its an open contest :) [19:53] Hopsington, DoS in 2010 is lame [19:54] !lock jeev, frankd, kamii ; assemble aptitude. [19:54] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:54] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [19:54] can we get this bot out of here? I am getting tired of being pinged and my iggy button isnt working [19:55] Reducer (~reducer@g230079245.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:55] KaMii: what bot? [19:55] Hopsington: [19:55] ? [19:55] eh [19:55] Hopsington: [19:55] hehe [19:56] I doubt Hopsington is a bot [19:56] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.68) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Unles sits a clever xchat script [19:56] let's all go to #HopsingtonIsATroll and not invite him [19:57] hehe. i be only Hopsington checks that room [19:57] " can we get this bot out of here? I am getting tired of being pinged and my iggy button isnt working" Yeah Dominian. This KaMii nick has been bothering people since 2006 (Idiot) [19:58] johnbristol (john@cpc8-aztw22-2-0-cust115.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:59] 2006? [19:59] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:59] mdeanda: Hows it going KaMii, FrankD.... Still in Australia and bitter as ever i see ? [19:59] interesting [20:00] bah. how do i close /msg windows in irssi? i just learned the /IGNORE command :) [20:00] what Hopsington ? [20:00] Man, these people should be cattlerodded [20:00] mdeanda /wc [20:00] mdeanda: /wc [20:00] thanks. [20:00] ^ [20:00] ok how do I ignore him in xchat I have tried too many times and its not working [20:00] hehe. i thought it was going to count the words Hopsington /msg'ed me [20:01] mdeanda: None you mean ? [20:01] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:01] Did you try /ignore all ? [20:02] that is busted in xchat which is why xchat sux [20:02] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: kwabbles has no reason [20:02] i think i got it now, I have to use the netmask and I went *.* instead of *!* [20:02] KaMii: Because now youre going to say that some kde thing sucks less and then complain about that too as usual you dolt! [20:02] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Microsoft bonus people have landed [20:03] i see [20:03] I wonder if xchat still sucks due to misusage of commands. [20:03] troy_ (~troy@dsl-69-172-104-22.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] wharncliffe: Perhaps its the users fault [20:03] :) [20:04] well /ignore nick ALL never works, you need the netmask [20:05] Gay bastards that shouldnt be here. They worship gay paintings up in the roof and say "I wanna be just as gay some day" - Quote Microsoft [20:06] -_- [20:06] ^^^ [20:06] Its John Deer [20:07] Wow. You're original! ;) [20:07] How so ? [20:08] artaud_ (~artaud@189.115.166.11.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:09] Nvm, disregard [20:09] this is SLACKWARE [20:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:10] That seems reasonable john dee. iplcmd: Whats your point ? [20:10] Hopsington: go away [20:10] Reducer (~reducer@g230079245.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:11] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:11] iplcmd: So you mean i cant buy this: GoRack LLC GORACK (NET-68-67-64-0-1) 68.67.64.0 - 68.67.79.255 [20:11] Or [20:11] Tacit Labs GORACK (NET-68-67-76-64-1) 68.67.76.64 - 68.67.76.127 [20:11] The end [20:12] Reducer (~reducer@g230079245.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [20:12] Hopsington: you cant even buy a vowel [20:12] iplcmd: Why do you feel angry sir or mam ? [20:13] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:13] iplcmd: To be fair im not sure that ive ever "bought" something i can consturct out of thin air [20:13] By speaking for example [20:13] iplcmd (matthew@68.67.76.100) left ##slackware. [20:13] scott0070 (~scott@207.98.152.197) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:15] nogo (~tux@122-124-131-111.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] ##slackware: mode change '+b nogo*!*@122-124*.dynamic.hinet.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:15] nogo kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Racist behaviour, trolling and now ban evading on top of that. Stay out or talk to an op. [20:15] itd be fun to play with some of those microsoft people if i knew where to find more of them [20:15] nogo needs a freenode kline, he was just in #damnsmalllinux trolling [20:15] and we got rid of him [20:16] KaMii: Do you feel you get too little attention ? [20:16] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] KaMii: Who are you btw. Perhaps me or my friends can be of help. [20:17] KaMii: klines aren't the answer to everything [20:18] ravigehlot (~ravigehlo@97.102.230.80) joined ##slackware. [20:18] Klines can be highly counter productive in some cases. [20:18] nuclear weapons? [20:18] I was able to get wpa_supplicant to work fine on my terminals. But when I fire up Blackbox (window manager), the Internet isn't UP on X11. Why is that? [20:18] but who said klines was the answer to everything? I didnt [20:18] KaMii: Get real or dont cry wolf [20:18] iplcmd (matthew@68.67.76.100) joined ##slackware. [20:18] asarch (~asarch@189.188.151.236) joined ##slackware. [20:19] http://www.crast.us/james/articles/prelink.php anyone done this on slackware? do we have -fPIC binaries? [20:19] Hopsington, I don't think you've contributed a single slackware comment since you've been here :> [20:19] Action: Hopsington takes asip from his Imperial Stormtrooper Triple Bock Stout [20:19] ravigehlot (ravigehlo@97.102.230.80) left ##slackware. [20:19] thrice`: Youve been here since 2006 tops. Prove your worth sir. [20:20] probably 2005, but close :> [20:20] thrice`: No, ive been monitoring the nets. [20:20] ignore works [20:21] thrice`: I like you though, but you have many idiots on your tail which youve surely felt. [20:22] Magnus Sais Leave Thrice be [20:22] seeing as how you're the only one talking to me .. ;) [20:22] i predict you are right [20:23] ashe (~ashe@125.163.47.96) joined ##slackware. [20:23] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:23] You are too young to predict anything, but as i said. Be ok and we will like it. [20:24] Stirn but fair is a good rule of thumb [20:24] woohoo.. kde 4.5.1 in -current :-) [20:24] Wohoo: Gnome! [20:24] :) [20:24] it looks like i have *way* too little time to fiddle with my machine these days :-/ [20:24] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [20:24] _tecra (~fake.emai@99.13.242.166) joined ##slackware. [20:25] macavity is your first name phil? [20:25] macavity, well, what takes up so much time? [20:25] being busy is good [20:25] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [20:26] How the hell do people actually like kde (ripoff from gnome after gnome started) This is Von Anka VS Von Pluring all over again and gnome has no possible chanse of loosing. [20:26] kde is older than gnome iirc [20:27] dive: you're about to try to use reason against a troll. beware :) [20:27] No, Qt was started on much later. [20:27] ananke, not again... [20:27] thrice`: fixing the house... as we already bough another [20:27] thrice`: so we need to get this one up to standards asap and sell it :P [20:27] macavity, not good enough ;) [20:27] dive: yep. this time it's a biggie [20:28] Hopsington, OMFG, YOU'RE WRONG!! [20:28] heh [20:28] http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-1.0.php [20:28] http://www.gnu.org/press/gnome-1.0.html [20:28] 'someone is wrong on the internet' [20:28] imagine that [20:28] thrice`: How interresting: Where are the URL's to your claim then ? [20:28] Hopsington: gnome was started as a response to KDE using a (then) non-free library [20:28] Hopsington, I just posted htem [20:29] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [20:29] Hopsington: they also started a binary compatible free Qt clone.. which obviously newer flew anywhere [20:29] macavity, yes, seeing gnu and gnome in the same url is scary ;) [20:30] thrice`, macavity: Hell no, Dont you know GTK was first called ... ? [20:30] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:31] gimp.... [20:31] something is wrong with the internet, thrice is still online. [20:31] It was called "who gives a damn" [20:31] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:31] jeev, our branch is 24 hours now, i'm working the night shift [20:31] 'branch'? [20:31] you work for a bank? [20:31] drive-thru only though, thankfully [20:31] branch? i didn't know mcdonalds calls it's locations branches [20:31] but i guess [20:31] wth [20:31] thrice`: where do you work? [20:31] Dominian, mcdonalds [20:31] Action: Dominian is all lost [20:31] he calls it a branch [20:31] i guess it could be. [20:32] jeev: hey sweety 8-D [20:32] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [20:32] hahaha [20:32] Action: jeev smells feces [20:32] oh hi macavity [20:32] i see you still have the gayest time on the intarwebs :-) [20:33] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.dialup.ice.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:33] Hopsington kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: magnus_swe|hopsa|hopsington|stalkerboy, you're not welcome here. [20:33] wow [20:33] how many aliases could you have [20:33] was that him? [20:33] thank you [20:33] oh, thats nothing.. we have seen people outdo that by a factor of 10 by now :P [20:33] i was hoping the ban would include *!*@*thrice* and *.fullrate.dk [20:33] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:34] http://i.imgur.com/jacoj.jpg that's hilarious [20:34] jeev: you may belive in the tooth fery.. but she apparently doesnt belive in you :P [20:34] she's under my desk [20:34] ravigehlot (~ravigehlo@97.102.230.80) joined ##slackware. [20:34] vaginadentata? [20:34] oh.. then i have an idea that can make us rich! [20:35] Man, I can't get internet in X11. :)) not sure why wpa_supplicant only gets ONLINE for terminals [20:35] Action: macavity emptys jeev's mouth in a switf swing of a baseball bat [20:35] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:35] lookies.. if we split even we get 3 dimes each! :P [20:35] x11 internet uses the new tcp/ip/gui protocol [20:36] ravigehlot: thats sounds like an odd problem [20:36] yea right, you cant even hold a baseball bat [20:36] ravigehlot more seriously, wpa_supplicant is a cli application whether you run it from console or X (stay away from their experiment: wpa_gui) [20:36] ravigehlot: i think something else is wrong there... [20:36] hey macavity [20:36] argh. traffic in cogentco & alternet is having some issues. getting heavy packet loss here [20:36] heya deco :-) [20:36] ravigehlot so i doubt X has anything to do with anything. [20:37] macavity: do you use firefox or konqueror in kde ? :p [20:37] ravigehlot, have you tried wicd? [20:37] alternet is terrible [20:37] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:37] Lamelentix (~MissHarda@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] i read a announcement about some problems in certain internettrunk lines as ofmaybe 30 minutes ago [20:38] mancha is gay ? [20:38] with sporadic packet loss from 30% to 55% [20:38] yes [20:38] mancha: that must be it [20:38] that was him? [20:38] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:39] deco: i tried 4.5.0 konq with webkit.. crash crah and crash [20:39] NaCl: go fuck yourself homo [20:39] :) [20:39] Lamelentix (~MissHarda@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:39] deco: so, i am back to firefox, as i need my homebank and slashdot to function :P [20:39] what? [20:39] NaCl, I think you just got 'hit and run' :) [20:39] NaCl: that was the same person that was just banned. you were just an innocent bystander :) [20:40] I was trying to reason with him. [20:40] Didn't work [20:40] but he didn't even manage to string two words together in a sensiful manner [20:40] reason only works on cluefull people :P [20:40] last time he was here [20:40] I noticed [20:40] btw, who is MissHardaway? [20:41] ravigehlot (ravigehlo@97.102.230.80) left ##slackware. [20:41] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] was she on the Beverly Hillbillies? [20:41] macavity: haha yeah i tried to use konqueror a lot but lots of sites are broken :/ the engine is just too strict imo [20:41] http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100914/od_yblog_upshot/massive-fish-kill-reported-in-louisiana wow [20:41] jeev: no spam please [20:41] jeev: lol [20:42] how's that spam [20:42] Nick change: NaCl -> SodiumChloride [20:42] huffpuff (~matthew@h86.28.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] SALT? [20:42] Who IS SALT?! [20:42] jeev: because no one cares about gay fish [20:42] hexhawk: dunno.. i just got a pathetic hate PM from MissHardaway, so i wanted to know if it was the person who was just banned [20:43] iplcmd, i hope someone adds dispersants to your tea [20:43] macavity: most likely [20:43] macavity, yeah that was him [20:43] macavity: yep. hopsa/magnus_swe uses those two isps [20:43] macavity, Lamelentix!~MissHarda@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com [20:43] jeev: the dispersants aer safe [20:43] lulz.. all i said to him was "gnome was started as a response..." :P [20:43] _tecra (~fake.emai@99.13.242.166) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:43] jeev: theyve been tested on troops [20:43] and palestinians [20:44] jeev: what regiment did you serve under again? :P [20:44] bush's regime [20:45] iplcmd, that's great. i hope palestinians eat you for breakfast [20:45] how rude [20:45] iplcmd: jeev is our local entertainer [20:45] macavity, he just said they've tested "dispersants" on palestinians and i'm the entertainer ? [20:45] iplcmd: to day is "rude standup day" [20:46] =] [20:46] jeev my dear, you are always entertaining me :-) [20:46] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [20:46] lol [20:46] your the sole reason i come back here, remember ;-) [20:46] iplcmd, when you're sleeping.. i'm going to tattoo a tramp stamp on you and watch them same palestinnians that were tested with the phosphorus and stuff jizz on your back.. then it'll be a great day :) [20:47] iplcmd: see? we get a truck load of fun out of him *for free* [20:47] :> [20:47] iplcmd: you dont even have to insert a coin or anything :-) [20:47] RUDE! [20:48] iplcmd: generally its just enough to adress him.. then all the fun starts automatically ;-) [20:50] anake, i got a bulletin saying things are fixed, have the losses gone away? [20:50] i dont think its funny [20:50] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:51] mancha: it's better, but still getting about 20% packet loss on vl3598.na31.b005897-1.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com. overall much better, i was seeing 50%+ on multiple links [20:51] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [20:51] _tecra (~fake.emai@70-36-146-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] hrmm ok maybe they should say "partially fixed" then. [20:51] and google-gw.customer.alter.net is still seeing 50%, but that's further [20:51] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [20:53] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:54] cmair (~cmair@host121-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:55] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:55] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [20:55] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.0.96.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:55] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:55] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [20:56] r0dr1g0 (~r0dr1g0@unaffiliated/r0dr1g0) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:57] http://packetstormsecurity.org/1009-exploits/robert_you_suck.c x86_64 SOSNOOLE [20:57] anyone here gotten osx on a thinkpad? [21:00] yes, i have. [21:02] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:02] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:03] Nick change: SodiumChloride -> NaCl [21:03] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.0.96.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:05] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [21:05] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:06] zaltekk (~zaltekk@92.241.190.61) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:07] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-102.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:11] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@112.202.241.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [21:12] tuvok302Lappy (~Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.237.105) joined ##slackware. [21:16] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [21:17] http://www.osnews.com/story/23813/Flash_Player_Square_Adds_64bit_Support_for_Linux_Mac_Windows [21:17] Action: deco is using it [21:18] huffpuff (~matthew@h86.28.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:18] how does sbopkg work...you install something and the rsync deletes it from the list? [21:18] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:19] Read the output closely [21:20] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] iplcmd (matthew@68.67.76.100) left ##slackware. [21:27] Nick change: missyrissy -> [hireme]Rhisa [21:28] Nick change: [hireme]Rhisa -> risarisarisa [21:28] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:29] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@112.202.241.192) joined ##slackware. [21:29] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-76-173-169-106.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:29] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:29] Raggs (~x@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:30] so they did end up upgrading their 64bit plugin [21:30] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:01] i can sleep well at night now then [22:05] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [22:06] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [22:07] glad to hear it mancha [22:07] Raggs (~x@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:11] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:12] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-225-186.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] arfon (~arfon@71.22.122.144) joined ##slackware. [22:14] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:14] Howdy [22:14] hi [22:15] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.168.159) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Hi hex [22:16] (##slackware) Channel ban on nogo*!*@122-124*.dynamic.hinet.net expired. 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[22:39] Nick change: risarisarisa -> [hireme]Good [22:40] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.10.14.252) joined ##slackware. [22:41] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:43] n00mada (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) left irc: Quit: n00mada [22:44] arfon (~arfon@71.22.122.144) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:53] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:55] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [23:00] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:03] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [23:03] anyone see adobe is finally getting it together with flash: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html (or so it seems) [23:04] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Prefect_ (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] mattmatteh (~matt@gentoo/contributor/mattmatteh) joined ##slackware. [23:04] mattmatteh (matt@gentoo/contributor/mattmatteh) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.3"). [23:05] aryr100 (~aryr100@cpe-67-248-210-0.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:05] oh look, i was right [23:05] so far, so good on the new flash player [23:05] eviljames: are you using it? [23:05] fullscreen youtube still sucks on radeon [23:05] :/ [23:05] n00mada (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) joined ##slackware. [23:06] yep, new 64bit [23:06] aryr100 (~aryr100@cpe-67-248-210-0.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:06] About to download it. Just saw it on the front page of reddit [23:07] building a xf86-video-ati-6.13.1 atm to see if that makes some of the bad behaviours go away. [23:08] gniks: you were right? [23:09] zaltekk (~zaltekk@frog27.cs.clemson.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:09] yeah, some guy on here (forget which) kept telling people adobe was never going ot release flash for 64bit and that their site was a lie [23:09] was very annoying [23:09] newslacker (~root@75-121-189-49.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] :/ [23:09] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) left irc: Quit: n00mada [23:09] n00mada (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) left irc: Client Quit [23:10] they had always had x64 just not really maintained well [23:10] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) joined ##slackware. [23:10] they removed the 10.1 64bit stuff up until now though [23:10] not always [23:10] so we have been 3 months or so without 64bit support at all [23:10] you'd have to run a 32bit browser, or niswrapper [23:10] gniks: yea i remember trying to download it a little bit back [23:11] meh, I was just using the old one [23:11] luckily i had the lib in my bakcup [23:11] me too [23:11] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) left irc: Client Quit [23:11] turns out being a data pack rat came in handy [23:11] old one worked here for most stuff [23:11] haha, yes, eviljames [23:11] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) joined ##slackware. [23:11] with some tweaks to /etc/adobe/mms.cfg even facebook poker worked fine [23:11] hulu works again, although the old one worked before but stopped working [23:12] (facebook poker being the ultimate test of how well flash player is working) [23:12] they appear to be the same file size, the old lib and the new one [23:12] not that has anything to do with anything [23:12] no way, down to the last byte? [23:12] md5sum them [23:12] no [23:12] CGI906 (~c8576f8a@s5.miete-server.de) joined ##slackware. [23:12] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) left irc: Client Quit [23:12] i've just got them in the same thing on xfce [23:12] hi, how do I add a second NIC permamently [23:12] so it's only rounds to the nearest Mb [23:13] i know how to do with ifconfig [23:13] tplease :/ [23:13] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) joined ##slackware. [23:13] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) left irc: Client Quit [23:14] how can I add a second NIC IP address permanently , not just until next reboot with ifconfig IP netmask [23:14] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) joined ##slackware. [23:14] n0mad (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) left irc: Client Quit [23:14] the way you can automate it is in some rc script, so it sets the ip and subnet on boot [23:15] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [23:15] the nic doesn't store that though [23:15] n00mada (~chatzilla@208.68.48.106) joined ##slackware. [23:15] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-157.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-157.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:15] I see [23:15] eviljames: they're different [23:15] I thought there was a place in /etc [23:15] like openbsd to setup nics with IPs [23:15] some peopel use /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [23:16] when I use netconfig it just setups the 1st card [23:16] also some people but mainly peopel [23:16] you will see blocks for eth0, eth1, etc... [23:16] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) joined ##slackware. [23:17] so I have to make a startupscript ipconfig netmask [23:17] there is no /etc/ file to set this up ez [23:17] CGI906: as mancha said, /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [23:17] thanks [23:17] am i invisible? [23:17] hahaha [23:17] eviljames: fullscreen is rather crappy quality for me on YouTube :/ [23:17] Action: mancha dances nekkid [23:17] mancha: not invisible, just a lil hazy [23:17] srry :/ [23:18] atof (~jason@58.69.55.246) joined ##slackware. [23:19] that was a surreal moment [23:20] surreal or sexy? [23:20] cereal moment [23:21] haha [23:21] very dry and rough [23:21] can i haz chexx [23:21] the official slackware cereal is clearly apple jacks [23:22] cinnamon toast crunch! [23:22] lucky charms [23:22] close second :p [23:23] Only Pat can name the Official Slackware(R) Cereal. [23:24] alright, let's see latest flash player, latest radeon drivers w/ fullscreen youtube... [23:24] lol he doesn't name 90% of the official slackware anything (") [23:25] eviljames: OMG it doesn't lag [23:25] metal guys are doing pinwheels during http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kv-MMZvYUY ... it's not entirely smooth spinning of the hair [23:26] radeon 6.13.1 seems less sluggish than 6.13.0 was. This is good [23:26] yakuake over enlarged youtube performs well.. thumbs up [23:27] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: dormir [23:28] Nick change: CGI906 -> atreyu [23:28] :) [23:29] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-142-72.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] heya,folks [23:29] hi [23:30] hey MLanden [23:30] heya hexhawk [23:30] heya shonudo [23:31] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:31] bbl [23:31] atreyu (~c8576f8a@s5.miete-server.de) left irc: Quit: CGI:IRC [23:32] I see that firefox updated to 3.6.10 [23:33] buodo (~buodo@125.160.58.119) joined ##slackware. [23:33] two biggie bugs [23:34] mancha: in FF? [23:34] yes, lots of crashes [23:36] i had mentioned here maybe yesterday or the day before that 3.6.9 was the first ff in a long time that froze on me [23:36] i let it thaw which took about 3 minutes. others prolly close it and call it a crash. [23:38] aceofspades19 (~aceofspad@herpderp.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:40] heviarti (~heviarti@204.228.226.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:43] the close and call it a crash thing is something i would do, i think... i have no patience waiting three minutes for an app to respond [23:44] i was actually running some runtime diagnostics to see what was causing the crash and during this time it woke up [23:44] otherwise i would have nuked it too [23:44] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] shonudo: lol...never used a 8bit computer? sorry,couldn't resist....c64 days with fastload.;) [23:44] lol [23:45] that brings back memories... [23:45] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:45] we have gotten spoiled [23:46] true [23:46] i've had nothing to complain about since CPUs hit 1gig or so [23:47] MLanden the same bug afflicts seamonkey that is also updated [23:47] mancha: yeah...was just reading..buffer overflows and such [23:53] shonudo: true...'specially with compiling [23:53] seriously; isn't that different! [23:53] it happens on the same day! [23:53] lol [23:53] lol [23:53] Action: eviljames is compiling atm... ardour 2.8.11 is wreaking havoc on me hahah [23:54] segfault in libz will you?! [23:54] has anyone noticed that by the time webkit finishes comiling there a new security annoucement? [23:54] ouch...good luck on that,eviljames [23:54] MLanden: heh, we'll see how it goes. [23:55] also, has anyone noticed ldconfig: file /usr/lib64/libkopageapp.so.7.0.0 is truncated ? [23:57] ls -lh /usr/lib64/libkopageapp.so.7.0.0 [23:57] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 390K 2010-09-12 22:04 /usr/lib64/libkopageapp.so.7.0.0 [23:57] Evil detected. (seriously) [23:58] am0rphis (~ewq@212.58.188.161) left irc: Quit: am0rphis [23:58] eviljames: I don't recall the exact bits, but zlib had some API exposed that wasn't supposed to be public, and 1.2.5 is the first Salckware release that had the previously public "private" api public made private. (did that parse?) [23:59] rworkman: yep, gotcha. [23:59] on the libz stuff anyhow [23:59] Apps weren't supposed to use it, but at least libxml2 did, and lots of shit broke. Perhaps ardour is making the same mistake [23:59] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Virtually guaranteed. What about the evil above? [00:00] --- Thu Sep 16 2010