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[00:03] <LifeForce4> Darn it lol the slackpkg upgrade-all removed the flash player from FF no wonder this was not working haha
[00:04] <Urchlay> hm, why'd it do that?
[00:04] <nullboy> upgrade-all did not remove anything
[00:04] <nullboy> it only upgrades
[00:05] <nullboy> check your flash symlinks
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[00:08] <nullboy> LifeForce4: did you upgrade firefox packages?
[00:09] <LifeForce4> slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all
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[00:09] <Urchlay> did your flash plugin come from a slack package too?
[00:09] <LifeForce4> I did the flash player manually again.. downloading the tar.gz
[00:09] <LifeForce4> no
[00:09] <LifeForce4> Thats why.
[00:09] <nullboy> you should use the Slackbuilds.org flash package
[00:10] <LifeForce4> lol it was a simple fix just annoying that I did not realize that haha.
[00:10] <nullboy> package/build
[00:10] <dive> what has happened to kpdf in -current?
[00:10] <LifeForce4> nullboy: Would that update as well if I did slackpkg?
[00:10] <nullboy> dive: okular
[00:10] <dive> eh?
[00:10] <dive> new name?
[00:10] <nullboy> okular happened to kpdf
[00:10] <nullboy> no, new tool
[00:10] <chance22> new pdf viewer
[00:11] <chance22> I like it better, seems smoother than kpdf to me.
[00:11] <dissociative> dealing with quirks for defective by design hardware is a nightmare
[00:11] <Old_Fogie> rworkman, got your ears on?
[00:12] <dive> what
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[00:12] <dive> the
[00:12] <dive> fuck
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[00:13] <nathanbw> Does anybody know how to stop Guidance Power Manager from starting with KDE4 in -current?
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[00:13] <rworkman> Old_Fogie: yep
[00:13] <Old_Fogie> a quick pm?
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[00:14] <rworkman> Old_Fogie: sure
[00:15] <rworkman> nathanbw: I *think* by putting a guidance-power-manager.desktop in $HOME/.config/autostart -- two lines in that file:
[00:15] <rworkman> [Desktop Entry]
[00:15] <rworkman> Hidden=true
[00:16] <Urchlay> hm, can okular be built for KDE 3.5? kpdf kinda sucks...
[00:16] <dissociative> it is possible to change a module parameter without having to reload it?
[00:16] <nathanbw> rworkman, thanks :-)
[00:16] <rworkman> nathanbw: let me know if that works.
[00:16] <piroko> So I'm about to make slackpkg update me to -current
[00:16] <Urchlay> 'parently not
[00:16] <rworkman> dissociative: I think you can echo something into a /sys file, but I don't recall specifics
[00:17] <piroko> Anything I should do/know before I switch my mirror?
[00:17] <nullboy> yeah, don't run -current unless you're ready to deal with it
[00:18] <piroko> Anything specific you are referring to as far as "dealing with it" is concerned?
[00:18] <rworkman> piroko: read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT (which may not be up to date, let me check...)
[00:18] <dissociative> God I didnt knew that via chipsets were so crappy
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[00:19] <rworkman> piroko: it's not up to date; sorry.  Here's one that's more up to date: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/CH
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[00:20] <nullboy> .
[00:21] <rworkman> (that link will disappear, so don't anyone think to get smart and bookmark it :) - it's just a symlink to my private copy)  :D
[00:21] <piroko> Wow. Absolutely none of those notes apply to me :) But anyway, I'm very experienced with fudging around in linux. I'm not too worried about problems I could encounter :)
[00:21] <rworkman> piroko: good to hear :)
[00:21] <piroko> So is it slackpkg install-new, then slackpkg upgrade-all?
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[00:22] <piroko> (After I've updated of course :P)
[00:23] <rworkman> yes
[00:24] <nullboy> you want to use clean-system too
[00:24] <nathanbw> rworkman: Agh. I don't know if it worked. I logged out of KDE to KDM and then back in again, and it was still there. I then logged back out and Virtualbox crashed :-(
[00:24] <nullboy> so you can remove the removed packages
[00:25] <rworkman> oh yeah, that too
[00:25] <thumbs> I think I'll do a clean install of 12.2 when I get my laptop back
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[00:27] <piroko> nullboy: clean-system after I've upgraded/install-newed, correct?
[00:28] <nathanbw> rworkman, Yep. after reboot, it worked :-) Thanks for the tip
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[00:29] <ron1n> hey guys
[00:29] <rworkman> nathanbw: outstanding; thanks for letting me know.
[00:29] <nullboy> piroko: update, install-new, upgrade-all, clean-system
[00:29] <piroko> Got it :)
[00:29] <nathanbw> rworkman, np, war eagle ;-)
[00:29] <ron1n> I'm having an issue with my wireless. rt2860 inside my eee pc 901. I grab an IP address, but I can't seem to reach any web pages with ping, or browser
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[00:31] <agris> r u sure having correct gw || dns
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[00:32] <ron1n> agris: I'm sure the GW is correct, and when I try to ping IP addresses, I time out
[00:32] <rworkman> nathanbw: haha
[00:32] <rworkman> nathanbw: btw, are you planning to attend SELF?
[00:33] <ron1n> I don't think its a DNS problem.
[00:33] <nathanbw> rworkman, SELF? I'm unaware of what it is, but I'm intrigued...
[00:33] <rworkman> http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/
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[00:34] <dive> did some mention theat there's a qt3 for -current floating around?
[00:35] <rworkman> dive: in /extra iirc
[00:35] <dive> ah ok
[00:35] <nullboy> it's in kde compat
[00:35] <dive> thx gonna lookie
[00:37] <nathanbw> rworkman, sweet! I'm graduating in about a month, and will be working in Atlanta, which actually puts me closer to Clemson. I think I'm going to register to come, this looks awesome
[00:38] <rworkman> Very good. :)
[00:38] <rworkman> Feel free to join #southeastlinuxfest too :)
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[00:38] <lawlezz> hi all
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[00:41] <diabolix> anyone ever been part of a company that got aquired?
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[00:42] <nullboy> hey in -current...anyone see an md5 issue with pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-2.tgz ?
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[00:43] <NaCl> nullboy: eh?
[00:44] <thumbs> diabolix: are you in that situation?
[00:44] <rworkman> Hrm, anyone using wicd-1.5.9 and willing to test a build with a couple of patches from trunk?  If so, http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd15/
[00:44] <rworkman> nullboy: what's the problem?
[00:44] <nullboy> not sure if it's a problem yet, one sec
[00:46] <nullboy> nope all good
[00:46] <nullboy> i have no idea what happened but my repo matches
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[00:48] <diabolix> thumbs, possibly, don't know for sure if we are getting aquired.
[00:48] <thumbs> diabolix: uh oh
[00:48] <diabolix> i own stock, so its all good.
[00:48] <antler> "taken over" -- why not call it as it is?
[00:49] <diabolix> i'm just worried about what is going to happen to the job i love going to.
[00:50] <thumbs> scrambling, confusing, stress, despair
[00:50] <dive> kdvi is gone too? god...
[00:50] <diabolix> so, if you where a face recognition company, and you had two weeks to make yourself crazy popular so that you had more room to bargain, what would you do...
[00:50] <thumbs> diabolix: if you're lucky, the fun people stay
[00:51] <diabolix> thumbs, yeah, hopefully the group i work with stays intact.
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[00:56] <nullboy> dude where's my car
[00:56] Action: thumbs crosses his thumbs
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[00:57] <edman007> nullboy, thumbs took your car and he is bleeding all over it
[00:58] <nullboy> what a hooker
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[00:58] <edman007> still looking at mugshots?
[00:58] <edman007> or shopping?
[00:58] <nullboy> i'm looking for hawties who need bail money
[00:59] <edman007> i need bail money
[00:59] <nullboy> but you're not hawt nor female
[01:00] <edman007> :(
[01:00] <edman007> i don't do crack either...
[01:00] <edman007> thats going to be a problem?
[01:00] <nullboy> yes that's a deal breaker too
[01:00] <nullboy> what kind of a crack whore doesn't do crack?
[01:01] <dive> not my kind
[01:01] <dive> I want the real deal
[01:01] <edman007> dive, but the crack whores will do ANYTHING for money
[01:01] <nullboy> no teeth, dirty feet
[01:02] <edman007> so use a latex jumpsuit
[01:02] <twolf> in America you can even find fat crack whores
[01:02] <nullboy> twolf: which just baffles the mind
[01:02] <twolf> indeed
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[01:02] <dive> Late Tommy Cooper joke 'I was cleaning out the attic with the wife - filthy, dirty, covered in cobwebs... but she's good with the kids..'
[01:03] <edman007> nullboy, the fat ones are just the n00bs, after a week or so of crack whoring they stop eating and drop the weight
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[01:03] <edman007> lol dive
[01:05] <dive> xdvi: thanks god for small mercies
[01:05] <dive> okular < kpdf
[01:05] Action: edman007 hugs evince
[01:05] <dive> and for dvi it's worse
[01:05] <dive> evince? wassat?
[01:06] <edman007> a document viewer, its very good for PDFs
[01:06] <dive> yeah? must try that then
[01:06] <edman007> but needs a lot of gnome/gtk things that are not in slack
[01:07] <dive> hmm :/
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[01:07] <dive> cba then
[01:07] <dive> I might have to make a sb for kpdf I think
[01:07] <dive> I don't like that okular at all
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[01:08] <edman007> kpdf sucks...and its already in slack IIRC
[01:08] <edman007> it is just xpdf in a QT gui
[01:09] <dive> kpdf is much better than xpdf
[01:09] <edman007> evince is good because it used the gnome PDF engine, lets you copy and paste text out of the PDFs and such
[01:09] <dive> xpdf is just the basic window and thats pretty much it
[01:09] <dive> so does kpdf...
[01:09] <edman007> evince is a completely different engine
[01:09] <dive> copy/paste text, save images
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[01:10] <dive> thumbnails, links, zoom etc
[01:10] <dive> sounds like you haven't really used kpdf much
[01:10] <dive> and apps like kile are set to use it when you install them
[01:11] <dive> so now I've had to change kpdf->okular and kdvi->xdvi
[01:11] <edman007> ahh, its in the right click stuff..thats stupid
[01:12] <dive> well roughtly how many gnome deps atre there? I already use abiword which needs a few
[01:12] <dive> in evince
[01:12] <Old_Fogie> my 0.02 evince much more doc support, faster, better rendering , but kpdf has better text search , has hit F3 key for searching over words more repeatedly.  but evince is my goto guy.  one app for many doc types, and it's also the print preview engine of gnome so it's muli-purposed.
[01:13] <dive> hmm
[01:13] <edman007> cairo, pango, gdk, orbit, gconf, glade
[01:13] <Old_Fogie> yea, since it's a print preview app, evince owns with postscript/pdf
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[01:13] <Old_Fogie> djview also
[01:13] <Old_Fogie> edman007, ^^
[01:13] <edman007> Old_Fogie, ctl-g is search again in any sane app (unless its emacs binding, then its ctl-s)...
[01:14] <Old_Fogie> you mean F
[01:14] <Old_Fogie> ?
[01:14] <edman007> Old_Fogie, ctl-g
[01:14] <Old_Fogie> hmmm, if it's got a keybind,then I should be able to alt click on it and change with gnome... off I try
[01:15] <Old_Fogie> yup I can change it woohoo!
[01:15] <Old_Fogie> got me f3 :)
[01:15] <edman007> moving to a harder to reach key? you are crazy
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[01:16] <Old_Fogie> I dunno, it's the way the brains wired here, one key nicer than two.  hitting ctrl + anything over n over give me carpal tunnel any who
[01:17] <dive> jhbuild, popler...
[01:17] <Old_Fogie> popler's needed yup
[01:18] <dive> sounds like a mission but I can't really be bothered this time of the morning
[01:18] <Urchlay> mmm, I bet popplers would be good with guacamoal
[01:18] <dive> 5:18am
[01:18] <edman007> Thu Apr 16 01:18:19 EDT 2009
[01:18] <Old_Fogie> heh, I'm in gnome now, evince is a hungrey ldd mongrel :)
[01:18] <edman007> dive, where are you?
[01:18] <dive> UK
[01:19] <Old_Fogie> but edman007 has a super computer to build all that stuff :)
[01:19] <edman007> ...so?
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[01:21] <Old_Fogie> bed time for bonzo, night night all
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[01:23] <dive> same here soon
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[01:26] <Ficthe> small question -- I'm trying to write a config file for a mpd-client-app according to this config: http://pms.sourceforge.net/pms.1.html. The only thing in the config file: set scroll playmode=relative
[01:26] <Ficthe> but it gives this error: You have an error in your configuration file on line 1: set scroll playmode=relative. But looking at the man page (the link I gave above) -- nothing is wrong. any hints what I'm not seeing?
[01:26] <Ficthe> isn't that the 'standard' syntax, if you will? ;\
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[01:28] <Ficthe> and, in the man page, it does say this: Options are set by: set <option>=<value>
[01:28] <edman007> never trust the docs
[01:28] <Ficthe> I thought the <'s were needed - but I tried that and it doesn't work
[01:28] <edman007> wait...
[01:28] <edman007> set <option>=<value>
[01:28] <dive> Ficthe, it says 'set scroll' and 'set playmode' nothing about them nboth on one line
[01:28] <edman007> set scroll playmode=relative
[01:29] <edman007> exactly what dive said....
[01:29] <dive> set scroll=relative
[01:29] <dive> set playmode=linear/random
[01:29] <Ficthe> yyyyep, thanks guys. :)
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[01:30] <Ficthe> (I was thinking the command 'scroll playmode' was one, truncated due to column width - apparently not though)
[01:30] <Ficthe> s/truncated/dividing into two lines/
[01:31] <Ficthe> divided* *sigh*
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[01:40] <edman007> ahhh
[01:40] Action: edman007 bites antler 
[01:41] <antler> how can you bite when you have not mouth? muhahahaha!
[01:41] <antler> *no
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[01:42] <edman007> mmmmmMMMMMmhHhhhhMMMMhhhhh!!!
[01:42] Action: edman007 punches antler 
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[01:44] <antler> what? with those tiny t-rex arms? bring it on.
[01:46] Action: edman007 threatens raptors who eat antler 
[01:46] Action: edman007 just got done watching "raptor island"
[01:47] <edman007> raptors don't even flinch when you shoot em up with AKs!
[01:47] <edman007> but they eat anything that bleeds
[01:47] <antler> raptors are those dinosaurs that hunt in pairs? like in jurassic park 1?
[01:47] <edman007> yup
[01:47] <antler> if so, antler dies
[01:47] <Camarade_Tux> nah, you know unix :)
[01:48] <antler> man they're nasty creatures...
[01:48] <antler> mean mofos if the movies are right
[01:48] <edman007> but this movie said raptors and T-rex evolved in 30 years with a bit of plutonium
[01:48] <Camarade_Tux> antler, could you set up a recording of your death ? I bet we could sell it and become rich
[01:49] <edman007> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401742/
[01:49] <edman007> 2.5 stars!!!
[01:49] <Camarade_Tux> well, we'll give everything to Bob of course -_-
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[01:50] <antler> haven't seen that one. i just remember the raptors from jurassic park (and newman's face on the computer screen: uh, uh, uh, you didn't say the magic word)
[01:50] <antler> Camarade_Tux: !!
[01:50] <edman007> also, some good things i noticed in it were how the the commander stated "we already lost too many people on this mission", when the whole time he was cut off and didn't know
[01:50] <Camarade_Tux> there is a french website with many bad films, and only bad films, always a great laugh :)
[01:50] <antler> Camarade_Tux: my religion permits me to bring all i can carry when i die.
[01:51] <Camarade_Tux> so you don't want us to get rich ? ... late !
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[01:51] <edman007> Camarade_Tux, see i just watch basically anything and everything on sci fi
[01:51] <antler> Camarade_Tux: you would let someone else get rich instead of you?
[01:51] <edman007> Camarade_Tux, they started doing one new movie per week
[01:52] <Camarade_Tux> antler, you would be dead :D
[01:52] <Camarade_Tux> edman007, turkish {batman, star wars, star trek, ...}
[01:52] <antler> a small technicality
[01:52] <edman007> Camarade_Tux, and look at the reviews! "um this was pretty bad...This movie is just plain terrible, probably the worst movie i have ever seen."
[01:52] <antler> edman007: you've seen knowing? is it worth watching?
[01:53] <edman007> antler, uhh, i don't think so...
[01:53] <Camarade_Tux> star wars holiday special :)
[01:53] <edman007> its on TV?
[01:53] <antler> a new scifi flick
[01:53] <edman007> oh, i'll set the whole thing to record
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[01:55] <edman007> uhh, not showing up on my schedules...
[01:56] <Camarade_Tux> ok, five minute late to school
[01:56] <Urchlay> skiffy channel never seems to make much good stuff
[01:56] <antler> record star wars? boring.
[01:56] <Urchlay> stargate was OK, but they didn't invent that (came from what, showtime?)
[01:56] <Urchlay> galactica was good
[01:57] <edman007> Urchlay, know, stargate was them IIRC, it was a film and they made it into a show
[01:57] <Ficthe> I finally see the hype behind python -- I'm looking at some code, and I'm very happy to see how it's very simple - I can follow it and understand, and more importantly, adapt it to do things I want it to do. and I don't even know a programming language!
[01:57] <edman007> and i love eureka
[01:57] <edman007> and Doctor Who is really good (but thats the BBC)
[01:58] <edman007> Ficthe, try using scons, that will set you straight
[01:58] Action: Ficthe doesn't even know what scons is :(
[01:58] <antler> Urchlay: i thought i read 'gattaca' <--- that's good
[01:58] <edman007> Ficthe, python based build system
[01:58] <edman007> Ficthe, the rules are all done in python...
[01:59] <edman007> i must be the only one who does not like BSG, its just too damn random for me
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[02:04] <LSD`> yet you like Eureka? o_O
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[02:05] <antler> wtheck is eureka
[02:05] <edman007> LSD`, yes, Eureka is good
[02:06] <edman007> sanctuary too, i like that
[02:06] <antler> oh a show
[02:06] <edman007> http://www.scifi.com/eureka/
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[02:07] <edman007> need more stuff though...i've resorted to recording all the star trek stuff too
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[02:08] <LSD`> r/win 26
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[02:08] <Urchlay> gattaca was damn good, but not made by skiffy channel either
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[02:09] <Knightingale> where on slack should i set UTC for the time?
[02:09] <Urchlay> edman007: the new BSG series is a lot less random than the old one
[02:09] <schroobo> Im looking at the rc.inet1.conf how do I add virtual devices to it? The right way. I thought about just hacking in the commands to rc.inet1 but wondering if there were varibles I could usein the inet1.conf instead
[02:09] <schroobo> im a noob
[02:10] <Urchlay> Knightingale: timeconfig
[02:10] <schroobo> the slackware page doesnt say much
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[02:10] <Urchlay> hm, and I liked Farscape, was that skiffy or just shown by them in the US?
[02:10] <antler> oh apparently i can watch full episodes of eureka if i wanted to on scifi.com/rewind
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[02:11] <schroobo> are they called virtual devices? like eth0:0 eth0:1 etc
[02:11] Action: edman007 thinks the ghost hunter and ECW and the gamer thing should all die
[02:11] <antler> heh not available from my location...
[02:11] <Urchlay> schroobo: I always call those "aliases"
[02:11] <Knightingale> Urchlay cheers what does the timeconfig script do? modify the values in the startup script(s)?
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[02:11] <Urchlay> Knightingale: well, values in /etc anyway
[02:12] <schroobo> aliases, ok, something new, I never knew what to call them
[02:12] <Urchlay> Knightingale: /usr/sbin/timeconfig is just a script, you can read it & see what it does
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[02:13] <Knightingale> Urchlay, found it. /etc/hardwareclock
[02:13] <edman007> Knightingale, not the scripts, but the settings used by the libs for time
[02:14] <Urchlay> the actual zoneinfo data files are non-human-readable
[02:14] <Urchlay> and the timezone gets set by copying one of the zoneinfo files to /etc/localtime
[02:15] <edman007> or symlinking if if you are l33t
[02:15] <edman007> s/if //
[02:15] <Urchlay> eh, well, the scripts copy it to /etc/localtime *and* symlink it to /etc/localtime-copied-from
[02:16] <Urchlay> damned if I ever knew why
[02:16] <edman007> well sometimes i'm too l33t to use scripts
[02:16] <edman007> ...actually...for localtime, i usually just symlink it in
[02:17] <Urchlay> I think I manually messed with /etc/localtime exactly once, when the daylight savings time rules changed and there was no updated glibc-zoneinfo package yet (that I knew of. Probably there was one...)
[02:19] <edman007> oh man, these reviews for the movie i watched are great, "Ok, I can't get that two hours of my life back and I wish I could.", "The funniest thing was that the Raptors would just stand there taking bullets to the brain and crap and they didn't even do anything!"
[02:19] <edman007> haha
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[02:20] <Urchlay> craptors?
[02:20] <edman007> "I am used to cheap sci-fi flicks on the channel of the same name, but this one beat them all. "
[02:20] <edman007> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401742/
[02:21] <edman007> i don't think its the worse, i have seen at least one that was worse
[02:21] <Urchlay> I haven't ever *ever* seen a movie made by them that was watchable, not even the pilot to "Riverworld" (and I *loved* the book series)
[02:21] <edman007> lemme find that one...
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[02:23] <schroobo> how do i find the version of the slackware distro?
[02:23] <edman007> i think this was just as bad (though people seem to disagree with me) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468547/ basically in that one they use CGI all the time, but its never synced up right with the scene
[02:24] <edman007> cat /etc/slackware-version
[02:24] <schroobo> ty
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[02:25] <edman007> schroobo, be careful, if you are not updating all packages it can become out of date...i have had a few systems where it didn't get updated when upgrading
[02:25] <edman007> you should just know ;)
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[02:28] <Urchlay> "When a plane carrying a pair of top secret military robots crashes on a deserted Pacific island, a team of Navy seals must find them and turn them off as soon as possible for the longer they are activated, the smarter they become."
[02:28] <Urchlay> sounds more like a plot for a 1980s Atari game, not a movie
[02:29] <edman007> Urchlay, lol
[02:30] <pair0doc> Urchlay, I just stepped in what movie is that?
[02:30] <edman007> that one is funny though, they got those endless clips and sit there shooting hundreds of rounds into a steel robot that does not even get scratched
[02:30] <edman007> pair0doc, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401742/
[02:30] <Urchlay> pair0doc: some silly skiffy channel made-for-tv movie called "AI assault"
[02:30] <Urchlay> edman007: sounds like old Dr. Who
[02:31] <edman007> i was comparing that to the one i just saw: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401742/
[02:31] <Urchlay> "Just once, Doctor, why can't we run into alien menace that's not immune to bullets?"
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[02:32] <schroobo> so slackware 10 doesnt support aliases in the rc.inet1?
[02:32] <edman007> heh..the Dr Who stuff is good...they stop shooting and look for other methods when it does not work
[02:32] <schroobo> i read 10.2 does tho
[02:33] <edman007> schroobo, you need to specify the name of the IF, so eth0:1 eth0:2 etc
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[02:33] <schroobo> so IFNAME[1]="eth0:0" would work in slack 10?
[02:33] <Urchlay> edman007: have you seen the easter special? ("Planet of the Dead")
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[02:34] <schroobo> im looking at the script and it doesnt try to pull the variable IFNAME
[02:34] <edman007> schroobo, well i've done it
[02:35] <Urchlay> back in the slack 10 and earlier days I found it easier to blow away /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 and just replace it with whatever ifconfig and route commands I needed
[02:35] <edman007> Urchlay, easter special?!? the one day i don't get to watch TV
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[02:36] <schroobo> can someone email me a copy or paste bin a post 10.2 rc.inet1 script?
[02:36] <Urchlay> edman007: bittorrent is your friend.
[02:38] <Urchlay> course I'm in the US, I wouldn't get to see it until next year if I played by the silly rules
[02:40] <edman007> Urchlay, oh...thats why, yea...right now i don't exactly have decent internet
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[02:40] <edman007> bittorrent capabilities is a bit tough for me
[02:40] <Urchlay> yuck
[02:40] <schroobo> nvm its pretty easy just to mod the current script to read the varibles, im a noob
[02:40] <edman007> every time i do it on the work server they find a way to reboot that too
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[02:41] <edman007> schroobo, the scripts should do it
[02:42] <edman007> Urchlay, anyways, right now my internet is so slow i usually have problems playing low quality youtube
[02:42] <Urchlay> supposedly, patrick stewart (capt. picquard from star trek) is going to be in a dr. who special this year
[02:42] <edman007> nice...
[02:42] <Urchlay> as a villain, even (usually he only plays the good guy)
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[02:43] <edman007> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IURfntimnlA&feature=related
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[02:46] <Urchlay> haha. "I rescue the hostages. They're all women, and they're all naked!"
[02:47] <edman007> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea7bj5MsyAU&feature=related
[02:47] <edman007> thats good too
[02:50] <nullboy> the wind is gone
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[02:55] <nullboy> http://photos.surfline.com/albums/userpics/10404/25492.jpg
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[03:02] <edman007> nullboy, where is that?
[03:02] <nullboy> hawaii
[03:02] <edman007> i don't think i've ever been somewhere where the waves were much more than 4-5'
[03:03] <nullboy> that's waimea bay
[03:03] <nullboy> shore break
[03:03] <nullboy> i surfed some solid 8ft the other day
[03:03] <edman007> heh
[03:04] <nullboy> here check this one out http://www.surfline.com/video/featured-clips/runamuk-visuals-laurie-towner_25756
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[03:06] <sahko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo23xC58C8I if they are playing music in hell this must be it
[03:07] <nullboy> what this chick get annihilated http://www.surfline.com/womens/photo_bamp.cfm?id=25884
[03:07] <nullboy> watch*
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[03:07] <nullboy> slide 7 of 10 lmao
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[03:11] <_RadioHead> morning
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[03:12] <gwc> morning
[03:12] <firebird619> _RadioHead: Good Morning.
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[03:13] <_RadioHead> morning firebird619 gwc  :)
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[03:16] <gwc> once there was a spell software in my slackware,it can spell words,but i cann't rembered its name,anyone tell me?
[03:16] <Motoko-chan> aspell?
[03:16] <sahko> its in extra/
[03:17] <gwc> this command command not found
[03:17] <nullboy> http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/wipeout-surfers-knoll.jpg
[03:17] <nullboy> that's me in there
[03:17] <nullboy> i hate it hard on that one
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[03:17] <nullboy> i hit the bottom
[03:17] <gwc> but i did install it and used it
[03:17] <_RadioHead> nullboy: i need to thx for raid autodetect
[03:17] <yosii> ispell?
[03:17] <nullboy> _RadioHead: that fixed it?
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[03:18] <nullboy> http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/wipeout-surfers-knoll-marked.jpg
[03:18] <gwc> i rember that this software is needed by stardict
[03:19] <_RadioHead> yes , actualy i had opensuse on virtual machine and in cli it was a bug. i did not have slackware isos. but i made one and install slackware and your sugestion fixed problem
[03:19] <nullboy> coll
[03:19] <nullboy> cool
[03:20] <gwc> now my stardict can spell words,but i cann't find the cute spell tool
[03:20] <gwc> i used before
[03:21] <gwc> espeak
[03:22] <gwc> i got it
[03:22] <gwc> when i excute stardict in Xterm,i see it loaded espeak
[03:22] <gwc> haha
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[03:25] <gwc> exit
[03:25] <gwc> clear
[03:25] <gwc> ls
[03:25] Channel flood from gwc -- kicking
[03:25] <gwc> ls
[03:25] gwc kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
[03:25] <nullboy> uh
[03:25] <Ficthe> killall gwc
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[03:34] <ovnicraft> slackboy, help
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[03:35] <nullboy> you ok? need a drink of water?
[03:37] <nullboy> here you go edman007 http://www.playmedesign.com/2009/03/traces-of-imaginary-affair.html
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[03:50] <myrick[on]> Hi  Could someone help me pls.. I wrote a Shellscript to write a formatted Logfile 2 MYSQL: http://rafb.net/p/bofCwg89.html ... but in TMPSQL & CLEARSYS are a lot of new lines .. and the code isnt really nice  Please correct & help me .. it works .. but it makes newlines
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[04:01] <tank-man> thanks for the host ip, name and password and db name :)
[04:03] <nullboy> good lord
[04:03] <tank-man> those new lines are probably from the printf("\n") you have
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[04:06] <chopp> nullboy: peace
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[04:07] <nullboy> that's worse than that dude and his TLS certs
[04:07] <chopp> yup
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[04:11] <The-Croupier> greetings greetings
[04:14] <The-Croupier> anyone online..or you are all roasting your meats ;)
[04:14] <nullboy> you here that? that's the sound of 285 faps all at once
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[04:16] <The-Croupier> ohh so here comes nullboy from noobafarm ;)
[04:16] <The-Croupier> did you read that.. awsome ;)
[04:17] <The-Croupier> nullboy, why would they slap me? :( i didnt do anything bad....yet
[04:17] <nullboy> lol
[04:17] <nullboy> the nullboy from nobofarm
[04:17] <nullboy> time for  me to change nicks
[04:17] <The-Croupier> hahaha
[04:18] <The-Croupier> no man.. you are famous now
[04:19] <The-Croupier> nullboy, who is the maintainer of that site? is it Dominian only or other people as well?
[04:19] <nullboy> not sure but I *think* it is Dominian's site
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[04:20] <The-Croupier> i have no internet at home ..its kind of hard to get hold of him and i wanted to talk to him
[04:20] <nullboy> i think a few people have quote adding abilities
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[04:20] <The-Croupier> yes that is true ;) and awsome
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[04:22] <The-Croupier> i noticed that Dominian just appears when someone says something stupid..or something worth putting in noobfarm..he just appears out of the blue..its fantastic that ;)
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[04:29] <seriouslycgi> does absolute linux qualify as slackware?
[04:30] <The-Croupier> huh?!
[04:30] <MLanden> hmm?!?
[04:31] <seriouslycgi> absolute linux has like zero support
[04:32] <sahko> oh look! a forum http://absolutelinux.org/forum/index.php
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[04:32] <seriouslycgi> yeah im banned but ive never even been there
[04:32] <The-Croupier> ohh look slackware support is huge...
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[04:35] <nullboy> well, absolute linux isn't named Slackware so i guess it probably doesn't qualify...
[04:35] <seriouslycgi> so i take it you dont get many absolute linux people in here?
[04:35] <seriouslycgi> well i "think" its slackware with a different de
[04:36] <nullboy> it's not slackware though
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[04:36] <MLanden> have to say that it's the first time, i've heard of that particular distro
[04:36] <seriouslycgi> you guys did this to me the other night lol
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[04:37] <seriouslycgi> forget it, lets just pretend i have slackware
[04:37] <nullboy> that's not going work now
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[04:38] <sahko> seriouslycgi: just ask what you want to ask. absolute is said to be very similar to slack
[04:38] <seriouslycgi> well its installing software from slapt-get from the slackware repos :s
[04:39] <sahko> slapt-get isnt supported in ##slackware
[04:39] <dtanner> hello slackers
[04:39] <nullboy> slapt-get doesn't come on the official media. slack track, slackpkg, and pkgtools do
[04:39] <MLanden> heya,dtanner
[04:41] <seriouslycgi> oh ok but slackware.com has a repo or is slapt-get similar to another pkg manager?
[04:41] <dtanner> hows it goin MLanden?
[04:41] <MLanden> fine thanks dtanner and yourself?
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[04:43] <nullboy> seriouslycgi: slackware.com has official packages up, and so do mirrors. it is asked that people refrain from using slackware.com directly and use mirrors instead, at least for packages
[04:43] <nullboy> slapt-get is not part of slackware, period
[04:43] <dtanner> doing good MLanden. home studio is coming together quite well. Setting up my equipment here at home has been my little project for the last couple of weeks as i get things goin =)
[04:43] <seriouslycgi> yeah i hashed out slackware.com and used a local mirror it was faster anyway
[04:43] <MLanden> sounds  sweet,dtanner
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[04:44] <seriouslycgi> nullboy, why do they even have a mirror for packages if its not part of slackware?
[04:44] <nullboy> ?
[04:44] <seriouslycgi> i mean a repo
[04:44] <nullboy> that makes no sense
[04:44] <dtanner> http://picasaweb.google.com/slacktop/Studio?authkey=Gv1sRgCJz44b7dyPv5UA#  <- MLanden i ahve a few phots here , just set up the v-drums yesterday and connected them up in stereo to the mixer =)
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[04:45] <nullboy> seriouslycgi: slapt-get is not part of slackware. it is simply using official package sets that are posted on the internet along with others that are also not part of slackware
[04:46] <seriouslycgi> nullboy, what are you supposed to use to get packages?
[04:46] <ccfreak2k> wget.
[04:46] <nullboy> wtf are you talking about
[04:46] <ccfreak2k> Or a web browser.
[04:46] <MLanden> awesome,dtanner....got the mojo cage...:D
[04:46] <nullboy> i use rsync
[04:46] <ccfreak2k> Or rsync.
[04:46] <nullboy> you don't need some whole package manager to pull packages and install them
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[04:47] <nullboy> you can use whatever method is supported by mirrors to pull them down and install them with the base pkgtools
[04:47] <dtanner> MLanden: =0
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[04:48] <dtanner> MLanden: in the pic are my smaller Edirol digital monitors , i need to put a picture of my new Fostex ( on stands ) near field monitors and sub
[04:49] <MLanden> Good luck on your project,dtanner
[04:50] <dtanner> MLanden: thanks
[04:50] <seriouslycgi> im comming from debian sorry things are probably really different in slackware
[04:51] <piroko> Woo. I am on -current :D
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[05:01] <MLanden>  /j #linux
[05:01] <MLanden> whoops
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[05:03] <tux4prez> http://tux4prez.kicks-ass.net:8080/conkyrc everyone may have my conky script, enjoy it =)
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[05:22] <chopp> nullboy: I tried the latest development hostapd, and built it with the same .config as the 0.6.9, but got many nl80211 errors, and it wouldn't even run. Went back to 0.6.9/EAP-PSK and TLS can kiss my ass!
[05:23] <nullboy> freaking son of a monkey
[05:23] <chopp> shits driven me half insane
[05:25] <nullboy> i had to stop because i was going crazy too
[05:26] <chopp> oh well, life goes on. I couldn't get it working using madwifi on the client side either, so I redid my certs, and was trying that hostap dev version too but...
[05:26] <nullboy> great stupid next door neighbor just came home drunk as fuck and banging ever door she can touch
[05:26] <chopp> is she hot? :P
[05:26] <Soul_keeper> nullboy, you gonna let her in :)
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[05:27] <The-Croupier> open the door and the window..;)
[05:27] <nullboy> not this one
[05:27] <nullboy> hell no
[05:27] <Soul_keeper> lol
[05:27] <Soul_keeper> you don't have the beer goggles on I guess
[05:27] <The-Croupier> she does.. that might make it ok... for her
[05:27] <nullboy> this would require bourbon goggles
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[05:27] <Soul_keeper> heh
[05:28] <The-Croupier> she cannot be that bad
[05:28] <The-Croupier> how quick can you drink... ;)
[05:28] <nullboy> just no
[05:29] <The-Croupier> nullboy, its easter man... you should be more polite and nice to people... spread the love they said
[05:29] <Soul_keeper> yeah ugly chicks need love too
[05:29] <The-Croupier> somebody gotta do it.. you gotta do what you gotta do..
[05:30] <The-Croupier> nobody will ever find out, we promise ;)
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[05:30] Action: The-Croupier thinks he let her in.. he is not replying ;)
[05:30] <nullboy> yeah right you guys would make me the first visual noobfarmer
[05:31] <Soul_keeper> somebody in here would be proud of you
[05:31] <The-Croupier> nullboy, you are already famous for that ;) no worries
[05:31] <nullboy> it did sound like she had maybe 2-3 friends with her this time
[05:31] <The-Croupier> i believe we all will. you will be known for your generosity and such after that and for the easter spirit
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[05:32] <The-Croupier> nullboy, off you go mate..she might have hot friends
[05:32] <Soul_keeper> 2-3 friends, that's the stuff dreams are made of :)
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[05:32] <The-Croupier> Soul_keeper, lol
[05:32] <Soul_keeper> just make the ugliest one give you a back massage
[05:32] <The-Croupier> Soul_keeper, depends... what if they are guys :(
[05:33] <The-Croupier> back massage wouldnt be a good idea
[05:34] Action: The-Croupier hands nullboy some condoms..its another thing having ugly sex and another thing getting done for it ;)
[05:34] <nullboy> i couldn't do it anyway
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[05:37] <The-Croupier> why not?!
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[05:39] <The-Croupier> is it only the outside that matter for you? what kind of guy are you... see the good side of it...
[05:39] <Soul_keeper> my condoms expired after 5yrs,  too much slackware :(
[05:41] <The-Croupier> Soul_keeper, dont you have sex while on slackware?
[05:41] <Soul_keeper> lol
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[05:41] <Soul_keeper> I dream about it
[05:41] <seriouslycgi> how do i install python image library (PIL)? and unrar?
[05:41] <Soul_keeper> that and money
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[05:42] <The-Croupier> you dream about sex and money?
[05:42] <The-Croupier> so i get it.. you dont have either
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[05:43] <The-Croupier> there is a picture here at work that says: there are two kinds of people those who dream and those who do ;)
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[05:43] <The-Croupier> you should convice someone to make your dreams come true bro
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[05:44] <Soul_keeper> seriouslycgi,  http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm   rar is all trial non-gpl stuff   (might be a free version around somewhere)
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[05:45] <The-Croupier> seriouslycgi, theres unrar in slackware.. why not use that?
[05:45] <tank-man> unrar has the source available i believe
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[05:47] <sahko> unrar is not in slackware. its available in slackbuilds.org though
[05:47] <nullboy> come on guys
[05:47] <nullboy> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/unrar/
[05:47] <seriouslycgi> ah thanks
[05:47] <nullboy> The-Croupier: you'd any chick you saw?
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[05:48] <Soul_keeper> maybe there is a  "python image library"  slackbuild for him too ...
[05:48] <sahko> The-Croupier: seen http://www.badassoftheweek.com/paleokostas.html ? :D A Greek finally made it to The Hall of Badassitude lol
[05:48] <The-Croupier> nullboy, depends on how drunk she is ;) lol
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[05:49] <The-Croupier> no the truth is that i would NOT
[05:49] <seriouslycgi> Soul_keeper, ill check it
[05:50] <The-Croupier> sahko, i live like 2km away from that jail
[05:50] <The-Croupier> ;)
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[05:51] <sahko> nice
[05:51] <sahko> errm not really :)
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[05:54] <The-Croupier> sahko, not really?
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[05:58] <nullboy> that guy is the coolest dude evar
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[05:58] <nullboy> he is my hero
[05:58] <sahko> i mean its not really nice to live so close to the jail, with helicopters flying every once in a while, cops shooting all over the place. you might get unlucky at some point :)
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[05:59] <The-Croupier> nah they dont happen everyday.. and you dont have to live close to the jail here in athens in order to get shot..it can happen everywhere
[06:00] <sahko> hah. true
[06:00] <The-Croupier> the other guy got shot in the traffic lights...for telling someone in the next car that he was stupid
[06:00] <The-Croupier> imagine..hey you stupidass, (pistol out)"bam" shot in the head
[06:02] <nullboy> there have been three armed robberies in my *neighborhood* in 1 week
[06:02] <nullboy> helicopters are an hourly thing
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[06:05] <The-Croupier> sounds bad man...
[06:06] Action: The-Croupier feels bad about all this corruption in the world.wish there was something to be done
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[06:18] <The-Croupier> anybody working today?...
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[06:21] <seriouslycgi> if i use pkgtool to install will it tell me what depends are required
[06:21] <dive> no
[06:22] <The-Croupier> seriouslycgi, can you not see from the pkg site what it needs?
[06:22] <seriouslycgi> man slackware is old school
[06:22] <seriouslycgi> The-Croupier, well thats what im scared of, i dont know how it works
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[06:23] <Urchlay> dependency tracking isn't so hard, just remember 2 rules:
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[06:23] <Urchlay> 1. Do a full install. Disk space is cheap. Most packages only depend on stuff that's present in a full install
[06:23] <The-Croupier> seriouslycgi, you check the site of the pkg, then you ls /etc/packages/ | grep dependsOnPkg
[06:24] <nullboy> he's not using slackware in the first place
[06:24] <The-Croupier> ahhh, then i dont know sorry..havent used many distros
[06:24] <Urchlay> 2. Anything a 3rd-party package needs, the README or slack-desc for that package, will tell you what it needs
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[06:25] <seriouslycgi> nullboy, i read an article earlier that said it was compatible
[06:26] <seriouslycgi> thanks Urchlay
[06:26] <nullboy> ...
[06:26] <Urchlay> if you run across something you install that won't run, run it from the command line, and if you get "missing shared library" or "can't exec" some program, find the package(s) that contain the missing stuff, and gripe at the first package's maintainer, tell him he forgot to mention the dep(s)
[06:26] <The-Croupier> seriouslycgi, what distro are you using... and what are you trying to install
[06:26] <nullboy> seriouslycgi: this happens in here quite often. if it is not called Slackware it is not Slackware
[06:26] <seriouslycgi> The-Croupier, im using absolute linux and trying to install comix
[06:27] <Urchlay> that's 3 rules, but rule 3 doesn't get invoked if you're using well-maintained package repos (slackbuilds.org, alienbob'
[06:27] <Urchlay> s collection)
[06:27] <Soul_keeper> i've never seen a room so motivated to help someone ...
[06:27] <The-Croupier> nullboy, there are distros that are not called slackware but are very similar...they might work fine sometimes
[06:27] <Urchlay> anyway why am I wasting time tell you how to run Slackware, if you're not running Slackware?
[06:27] <The-Croupier> Soul_keeper,lol
[06:28] <Urchlay> Soul_keeper: you've never been in the presence of so many bored people who suffer from insomnia, maybe?
[06:28] <Soul_keeper> :)
[06:28] <chopp> nullboy: https://lists.ath5k.org/pipermail/ath5k-devel/2009-April/002228.html
[06:28] <seriouslycgi> Urchlay, i think it is slackware but trimmed down and different desktop environment :s
[06:28] <Urchlay> (actually I don't suffer from it, I kinda enjoy it most of the time)
[06:28] <The-Croupier> for me its a way of life nowadays..if i sleep i get sick :(
[06:29] <nullboy> chopp: i freaking knew it!
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[06:37] <toshiba510cdt> is there a gui tool that will allow this newbie to burn a  bootable multi-distro CD that contains puppylinux, slax, tinycorelinux and of course dsl??
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[06:37] Action: The-Croupier has been drinking coffee since 10am and its 2pm now ;)
[06:37] <The-Croupier> multidistro cd?!
[06:38] <toshiba510cdt> yes
[06:38] <seriouslycgi> toshiba510cdt, yeah there are some scripts keep searching google they may still work
[06:38] <toshiba510cdt> no scripts, a gui
[06:39] <Soul_keeper> so basically he wants a cd burning tool
[06:39] <The-Croupier> http://www.linux.com/feature/54537
[06:39] <The-Croupier> found this on first search on google.
[06:40] <seriouslycgi> i doubt it, its hard enough finding the manual instructoins
[06:42] <The-Croupier> can it be done with livecds as well?
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[06:42] <The-Croupier> can one put lots of livecds.isos in one disc and burn them? and be able to choose?
[06:42] <The-Croupier> that sounds like something to look at during vacations of easter
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[06:44] <Soul_keeper> should have enough room to get somewhere with that idea on a dvd
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[06:45] <sahko> id rather killing livecds in favour of liveusbs. likewise for distribution installers
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[06:47] <Soul_keeper> ~4.7 GB (single-sided single-layer),         yeah good idea sahko   prolly only enough room for 2 or 3 distros on a single cd at most
[06:47] <The-Croupier> yeah... i was wonderig how one can make such a thing.. would be nice to have a dvd with most of the livecds and choose depending on what you need to do ;)
[06:48] <Soul_keeper> you'd basically have to create your own installer unless something similar already exists
[06:48] <Soul_keeper> ahhh livecd
[06:49] <Soul_keeper> could setup lilo to boot different  images/filesystems from a usb drive
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[06:50] <The-Croupier> Soul_keeper, could you please elaborate on that?
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[06:51] <The-Croupier> on setup lilo to boot different images/filesystems..(could that be done inside the livedvd?)
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[06:51] <Soul_keeper> The-Croupier, I've never attempted it, but I don't see any reason it can't be done
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[06:55] <The-Croupier> how did your attempt go?
[06:55] <Soul_keeper> I never attempted it
[06:55] <The-Croupier> nice ;)
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[06:55] <Soul_keeper> but theoretically you can install lilo to an mbr and adjust the lilo.conf to boot whatever you want
[06:56] <Soul_keeper> so you could make a nice usb stick containing whatever you want
[06:56] <The-Croupier> Soul_keeper, on usb it would work i suppose.. i was more thinking of a dvd
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[06:56] <The-Croupier> it would be nice to centralise all the livecds i work with in one dvd and be able to choose which one is needed..:(
[06:57] <Soul_keeper> there are howto's on how to configure setup bootable cd/dvd's  should be able to do that too if you got the motivation for it
[06:57] <Thursapr> i've just install slackware. how to install mplayer on it?
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[06:58] <The-Croupier> Soul_keeper, thanks i got it i think... ill look for it next thing ;)
[06:59] <Soul_keeper> Thursapr, there are some build scripts for it here, you'll need the codecs and "mplayer"    http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=mplayer&sv=12.2
[07:00] <The-Croupier> Thursapr, check alienBOB's site and rworkman's ;) they might help
[07:00] <Soul_keeper> that one there is  rworkman's it seems
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[07:01] <Thursapr> Soul_keeper, The-Croupier thanks
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[07:06] <The-Croupier> what now.. its soooo quiet...
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[07:14] <slava_dp> a/pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-1.tgz:  Added support for .tbz, .tlz, and .txz packages in addition to the traditional .tgz format.            HUH????????
[07:15] <slava_dp> are we gonna have txz packages in slackware?
[07:15] <Soul_keeper> scary ...   atleast it's not .rpm
[07:15] <ananke> i think you're missing a few more question marks
[07:16] <ananke> how is that scary? it's simply another compression type
[07:16] <slava_dp> ananke, i was just absolutely amazed. sorry
[07:16] <slava_dp> not scary, great!
[07:17] <Soul_keeper> ananke, I got my reasons.
[07:17] <The-Croupier> is anything gonna change with the .txz? concerning uncompression methods? and way pkgs work?
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[07:19] <ananke> Soul_keeper : that's just silly. if you feel it's necessary to share with the channel that for you 'it's scary', yet you don't want to elaborate - talk about a childlish attitude
[07:19] <Soul_keeper> ananke, I don't have to explain myself to you.  STFU
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[07:19] <ananke> right. the 'STFU' really showed off your mature approach to the subject
[07:20] <Soul_keeper> yeah like you're any more mature for coming in an immediately attacking people, go fuck yourself
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[07:20] <ananke> Soul_keeper : wow, you really have to prove your lack of maturity, don't you?
[07:20] <Soul_keeper> ananke, just stating my opinion of you.
[07:21] <ananke> Soul_keeper : so far you've only shown how big of a child you are, nothing more
[07:21] <Soul_keeper> I'm putting your pathetic ass on ignore now.  thanks for the jabs and disrespect.
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[07:21] <ananke> Soul_keeper : i'm heart broken now
[07:21] <Soul_keeper> I believe you
[07:22] <ananke> Soul_keeper : so you didn't put me on ignore? liar
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[07:23] <Soul_keeper> had to remember how, now you ARE on ignore, and I don't have to listen to your ignorant remarks and wild attacks on me.
[07:23] <ananke> it's sometimes amazing to see the level of idiocy on irc
[07:24] <The-Croupier> sorry guys... what is the deal with txz, all i get is this: TXZ is a file extension associated with Morfwarp AU files.
[07:25] <The-Croupier> what does it have to do with slackware? are we going to embrace such a thing? include it somewhere?..etc?
[07:25] <ananke> The-Croupier : i think it would be a new extension. notice that 'tbz' most likely stands for tar.bz2, and 'tlz' stands for 'tar.lzma'
[07:26] <ananke> The-Croupier : i think pat is simply adding new functionality to support packages compressed via other-than-gzip engines
[07:26] <The-Croupier> ananke, i see.. google doesnt help much on the subject though..and i dont know the opinion of slackers on this
[07:26] <The-Croupier> i see...
[07:26] <ananke> personally, i like lzma compression. it's fast for uncompressing, and has better compression ration than gzip
[07:26] <The-Croupier> so more pkgs will be required for such extensions? or fuctionallity will be added in some existing tools?
[07:27] <ananke> The-Croupier : well, yes, you'll need bzip/lzma/etc tools installed to operate on said packages
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[07:27] <straterra> i like lzma too
[07:28] <The-Croupier> i see.. so more updates for slackware and some more fiddling with it
[07:28] <The-Croupier> ;) thanks ananke
[07:28] <Soul_keeper> My concern is having multiple supported formats could lead to confusion
[07:28] <Camarade_Tux> a friend of mine is looking for a linux-compatible wifi usb dongle, any advice ?
[07:28] <straterra> i dont see confusion if its seemless in installpkg
[07:29] <ananke> The-Croupier : chances are you won't have to fiddle with anything. and this would be functionality in newer releases
[07:29] <The-Croupier> ananke, i see. the way we manage pkgs is not gonna change then? right?
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> .tar.xz packages would be soooooo smaller :)
[07:29] <ananke> The-Croupier : nope.
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[07:29] <straterra> i wonder how much disk space would be saved with the packages in lzma format
[07:29] <The-Croupier> or our scripts are going to have to do alittle bit diff stuff
[07:29] <The-Croupier> ananke, i see
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[07:30] <Soul_keeper> straterra, i'm thinking for the new user and such if there are  4 different packages with the same name but different extensions floating around the web
[07:30] <straterra> zomg mandriva
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[07:30] <chopp> haha
[07:30] <The-Croupier> Soul_keeper, there are already quite a few around ;)
[07:30] <Camarade_Tux> straterra, probably about 30%
[07:30] <tewmten> hehe.. aparently some of our customers werent very happy with the Mortal Kombat easter egg in our software :P
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[07:30] <The-Croupier> Camarade_Tux, 30% really?!
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[07:31] <straterra> tewmten: fatality!
[07:31] <Camarade_Tux> The-Croupier, that wouldn't be unlikely
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[07:31] <tewmten> if you punch in the konami code in the interface you get a shockwave version of Mortal Kombat
[07:31] <tewmten> hehe
[07:31] <straterra> lol
[07:31] <tewmten> :P
[07:31] Action: Camarade_Tux is gonna gzip his /usr and then lzma it
[07:31] <Camarade_Tux> nah, actually I'm too lazy for that ><
[07:31] <tewmten> silly coders
[07:32] <straterra> i like easter eggs
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[07:32] <The-Croupier> lzma, works like gzip and then lzma?
[07:32] <The-Croupier> how about the txz..anyone read anything anywhere how is it gonna be?
[07:32] <Camarade_Tux> The-Croupier, xz is the new format for lzma
[07:33] <Camarade_Tux> (well, lzma on linux)
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[07:33] <The-Croupier> http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386
[07:33] <Camarade_Tux> lzma comes from 7zip but the code in 7zip won't really let you build a library so it's unhandy, lzma-utils can expand it but can't create it
[07:34] <The-Croupier> this one says that there is already added support for the txz format ;)
[07:35] <The-Croupier> hmm, i can vaguely see the point of creating more compression formats when we have some that are not that advanced (apparently) why not make the already there ones better?
[07:36] <Camarade_Tux> xz is lzma compression, the only thing is that the file format changed (the headers especially : lzma has a terribly small header which doesn't even hold a CRC iirc)
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[07:37] <Camarade_Tux> btw, see http://tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks for benchmarks
[07:38] <The-Croupier> well, ill have to do some more reading on the subject, cos it looks like its gonna bother alot of people in the future. especially if there changes something in the way we uncompress our sources..(for the scripts..etc)
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[07:42] <The-Croupier> gotta go... thank you guys for the help and info ;) happy EASTER and seeya after ;) thanks again
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[08:07] <frullet> evenin' all
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[08:09] <slackytude> greetings
[08:09] <frullet> o/
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[08:14] <nix_chix0r> moo
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[08:15] <_RadioHead> greetings slackytude  :)
[08:16] <slackytude> _RadioHead, yo, dude
[08:16] <slackytude> hows it going?
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[08:17] <_RadioHead> not bad :)  , i will have busy afternon :) installing slackware for a friend of mine
[08:17] <_RadioHead> how is there?
[08:18] <tewmten> damnit
[08:18] <tewmten> stupid computers
[08:18] <_RadioHead> tewmten: agree with you :)
[08:18] <tewmten> im trying to install games on my telephone
[08:18] <tewmten> avoiding work :p
[08:18] <_RadioHead> lol
[08:19] <tewmten> =)
[08:21] <slackytude> _RadioHead, shitty day so far
[08:22] <slackytude> could have stayed in bed, would have been more productive
[08:23] <_RadioHead> :) here is such a nice wheather with sun
[08:23] <slackytude> its going to rain here soon :|
[08:24] <slackytude> but we had nice easter and all so I wont be complaining
[08:24] <_RadioHead> and with a lot nice girls around :) , so better to stay @office and not turn emotion to work
[08:24] <_RadioHead> lol
[08:24] <slackytude> heh
[08:24] <slackytude> gotta love it when the weater gets nice
[08:24] <_RadioHead> :) wheather to be productive haha
[08:25] <slackytude> eh, not really ^-^
[08:25] <slackytude> unless you definition of productive difers from mine
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[08:26] <_RadioHead> :)
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[08:36] <beterraba>  Hello, is there any channel I can discut about Unpackers either for PE or ELF32 files?
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[08:37] <zeroXzero> any one using urxvt?
[08:37] <zeroXzero> can any one point how to increase font size in urxvt
[08:38] <zeroXzero> can i add key bindings so that shift +/-
[08:38] <frullet> shift->+
[08:38] <zeroXzero> frullet: its not working
[08:38] <zeroXzero> frullet: do i have to add anything to my Xdefaults
[08:40] <agris> how hard is it to read man? :)
[08:40] <agris> Changing fonts (or font sizes, respectively) via the keypad is not yet supported in rxvt-unicode. Bug me if you need this.
[08:41] <agris> Marc A. Lehmann <rxvt-unicode@schmorp.de>
[08:42] <zeroXzero> agris:i read the manpage.... but some cool hackers can provide some tips
[08:43] <agris> even if it's not supported? huh, well there was tip - bug Marc Lehmann :P
[08:43] <aperturefever> zeroXzero: look at the FAQ..theres sth like you want
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[08:44] <aperturefever> http://pod.tst.eu/http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.pod and search for "font size"
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[09:27] <luoyi> is there anyone have checked today's pkgtools update ? it looks like have a md5sum error. slackpkg refuse to update it.
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[09:31] <slava_dp> luoyi, i haven't had a chance to test it today but you can always install it with installpkg. i does not check md5sum or anything. or maybe try another mirror.
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[09:33] <_RadioHead> luoyi: i use rsync, and already installed latest pkgtool
[09:33] <_RadioHead> hello slava_dp
[09:33] <luoyi> do you use slackpkg or just installpkg ?
[09:33] <luoyi> have you ever do the checksum of it ?
[09:33] Action: slava_dp waves to _RadioHead 
[09:33] <slackytude> yo slava_dp
[09:33] <_RadioHead> :)
[09:34] <slava_dp> slackytude, y0
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[09:35] <dtanner> y0 slackers
[09:35] <_RadioHead> dtanner: yo yo
[09:35] <slackytude> heya dtanner
[09:36] <slackytude> anyone knows whathappened to gunni yesterday?
[09:36] <dtanner> i have to take my bike to the doctor appt this morning in a about an hour and the clouds are coming in :( i let the gf take the car to work
[09:36] <dtanner> i thought the weather was giong to be like yesterday .. i was wrong.
[09:36] <_RadioHead> still @~ i can`t start kde 4 bah , and probably from logs i saw is dbus problem with kde4
[09:37] <_RadioHead> dtanner: here wheather is very good. but next days will be rain
[09:38] <dtanner> yeah they say only scattered showers here today but i dont need ANY showers while on the harley, the little droplets hurt my face like hell and i dont like the slick roads or getting wet. but sobeit today , i may get lucky and miss the showers
[09:38] <dtanner> _RadioHead: we are suppoised to get some heavy rain in the coming days though like you said
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[09:39] <_RadioHead> i am lucky i am off from tomorrow and 4 next days :)
[09:39] <dtanner> lucky you , me too =)
[09:40] <dtanner> I have about 5 songs almost finished for my first cd which i have set a date for completionof the entire cd ready to go by July 1st
[09:40] <dtanner> _RadioHead: i can send you a demo of a couple if you want *shrug*
[09:41] <_RadioHead> dtanner:  i was just wanted to ask you :)
[09:41] <_RadioHead> but u type faster lol
[09:41] <dtanner> i am learning something new on my mixer everyday , it is very fun
[09:41] <chopp> dtanner: when I ride in the rain, I wear a leather bandana on my face. Seem's to somehow scare people too,and they get the hell out of you're road. :P
[09:42] <dtanner> _RadioHead: this is why we started StudioS project. the old ways of mixing boards are going away and eventually everyone is going to have to go to pc based recording so what better to use than slackware =)
[09:42] <gnubien> what is a sure sign of a happy motorcyclist? the bug stains on his teeth ;)
[09:42] <chopp> \o/
[09:43] <dtanner> chopp: good idea =) oh yeah i have oine of those ski masks wiht a skeleton on one side , it looks scary as hell , i will wear that one
[09:43] <dtanner> chopp: when i go into a mini-mart at night with it on i forget it looks like i am about to rob the place hehe
[09:43] <_RadioHead> dtanner: so for demos u need my mailaddr
[09:43] <dtanner> gnubien: hehe
[09:43] <dtanner> i can dcc them if you like
[09:43] <dtanner> or email _RadioHead
[09:43] <dtanner> you pick
[09:44] <_RadioHead> well if work why not :)  but email is in everyplace i can get it :)
[09:44] <_RadioHead> if internet works  :)
[09:44] <dtanner> ok email it is
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[09:45] <kitche> hmm looks liek they might just skip xorg-server 1.6 for xorg 7.5
[09:45] <dtanner> they are all still "work in progress" but you will get the drift . i ahev yet to put down solid drum tracks ( i used a roland drum machine and layed all the parts you will hear, rhythym.lead.bass etc
[09:46] <_RadioHead> since here we are 2 radiohead maybe ill change my nick :0
[09:46] <thrice`> kitche: why?
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[09:46] <dtanner> _RadioHead: however, I do have my v-drums setup and connected to the mixer now -> http://picasaweb.google.com/slacktop/Studio?authkey=Gv1sRgCJz44b7dyPv5UA#5324432627721629874  <- roland v-drums
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[09:47] <_RadioHead> loading
[09:47] <kitche> thrice`: well xorg 1.6 is already out they said it might use 1.6 or 1.7 xserver they are not sure yet
[09:47] <dtanner> _RadioHead: i will use them and will be putting fresh drum tracks on all the songs i send you at a later time. i can send you them again oncei get them finished too. +)
[09:47] <_RadioHead> dtanner: why not, and thx man
[09:48] <dtanner> _RadioHead: look at that entire photo album , it shows a few pics of my home studio (except for my main board and speakers) need to aek pics of those i guess
[09:48] <_RadioHead> dtanner: Marshall :)
[09:48] <dtanner> s/aek/take/
[09:48] <dtanner> indeed
[09:48] <thrice`> kitche: well, the whole "xorg-meta" releases are quite silly.  x-server 1.6 and mesa 7.4 are pretty much a new xorg release
[09:48] <dtanner> and i have a all tube 2x12 combo also , i play through both at the same time for full stereo inputs to the board
[09:49] <dtanner> all tube CRATE that is and the marshaoll you see
[09:49] <dtanner> and i havce a 4x12 speaker cab still in storge
[09:49] <dtanner> my setup rocks the entire street
[09:49] <dtanner> no complaints yet =)
[09:50] <_RadioHead> u need to update new pics :) of all stuff . i send link to my bro , he is a php programmer and like a lot to play guitar ...  . next question was where is this studio hahah
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[09:57] <dtanner> _RadioHead: in Austin in my house. and yeah i need to update the pic and show everything
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[09:57] <_RadioHead> dtanner: :)
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[09:58] <Karlitoo> hello all
[09:58] <Karlitoo> Just dropping by to wish you all happy holydays
[09:58] <Karlitoo> and have fun
[09:58] <Karlitoo> :)
[09:59] <nix_chix0r> today is a holiday?
[09:59] <Karlitoo> nope
[09:59] <Karlitoo> tomorrow
[09:59] <nix_chix0r> what is tomorrow lol
[09:59] <Karlitoo> at least I don't work tomorrow and on monday
[09:59] <Karlitoo> I don't know
[09:59] <slackytude> ah, great holyday then
[09:59] <Karlitoo> Big friday befire easter
[09:59] <Karlitoo> before
[09:59] <nix_chix0r> i thought it was already easster
[10:00] <nix_chix0r> wtf
[10:00] <Karlitoo> lool
[10:00] <straterra> It was
[10:00] <Dominian> easter did already happen
[10:00] <nix_chix0r> ok good
[10:00] <straterra> Maybe jews have different calendars
[10:00] <nix_chix0r> that's some kwanza shit right there
[10:00] <Karlitoo> well depends what religion I have non so
[10:00] <nix_chix0r> i can't keep track of non holidays
[10:01] <Karlitoo> yeah just wanted to wish u all fun
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[10:01] <nix_chix0r> word you too
[10:01] <nix_chix0r> i'll be busy changing diapers
[10:01] <Karlitoo> :)
[10:01] <Karlitoo> auch
[10:01] <nix_chix0r> story of my life
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[10:06] <slava_dp> easter is on sunday.
[10:06] <slava_dp> <Dominian> easter did already happen
[10:06] <slava_dp> lol
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[10:11] <Dominian> slava_dp: Easter happened this past Sunday
[10:12] <Anakin> Dominian: not for everyone ;)
[10:13] <Dominian> maybe not, but here in the US its already over
[10:13] <slava_dp> maybe not, because here in Ukraine it's on sunday ;-)
[10:13] <aperturefever> here too
[10:14] <Anakin> here also
[10:15] <Dominian> Well, I don't live there so :P
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[10:16] <agris_> it's actually not depended on where you live as in what you believe in
[10:17] <slava_dp> true ^^
[10:17] <aperturefever> yes, easter is in sunday according to the orthodox christian calendar
[10:17] <agris_> ortodox usually have that easter  later.. two weeks?
[10:17] <slava_dp> one week.
[10:17] <Dominian> Thats... wonderful.
[10:17] <chopp> hehe
[10:17] <slackytude> damn romans. if they kept their empire together,we could all celebrate easter togethe
[10:18] <slackytude> well, come to think of it, they probably celebrated venus or sumething
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[10:21] <slava_dp> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html
[10:21] <slava_dp> stallman rages again
[10:21] <slackytude> he has ninjia swords
[10:22] <Dominian> blah blah blah
[10:22] <Dominian> there are plenty of opensource javascript frameworks out there
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[10:23] <john_dee> oh, that's not even funny anymore
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[10:24] <john_dee> right, let's make every web-dev write open scripts only
[10:24] <Dominian> heh
[10:24] <_RadioHead> later/tomorrow people
[10:24] <slackytude> see ya
[10:24] <_RadioHead> init ~
[10:24] <john_dee> and them encryptions too. users must not use it cuz information must be free
[10:25] <_RadioHead> slackytude: see ya . Dominian dude :)
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[10:25] <slackytude> and admin access. everybody needs that. just one guy in control is so crypto facist
[10:25] <vastina> dominian dude pfhahaha
[10:26] <john_dee> he's obviously smoking some dangerous shizzle :D
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[10:26] <vastina> sorry
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[10:26] <john_dee> slackytude, ye. all your root are belong to us
[10:26] <Dominian> john_dee: RMS maybe "eccentric" but he's been a key to the opensource movement.. you have to give him that.
[10:26] <slackytude> free root for all
[10:27] <slackytude> [ in bed ]
[10:27] <john_dee> Dominian, i really do. but sometimes he's just too...optimistic?
[10:27] <vastina> Dominian: de-acronymise RMS please?
[10:27] <Dominian> Richard M. Stallman
[10:27] <thrice`> google should help ;)
[10:27] <vastina> oh... yeah
[10:28] <Dominian> john_dee: oh yes..
[10:28] <phrag> but we need the extremities in both camps to define the playing field ?
[10:28] <john_dee> even programmers want to eat. and living off open source support is still something unreal. at least in our country
[10:28] <Dominian> john_dee: The fact is, he gets the idea out there.. and then lets it go from there.. smart actually.
[10:28] <vastina> Stallman, no doubt john_dee: how could you say too optimistic????
[10:28] Action: vastina looks in /bin
[10:30] <vastina> without stallman's intervention, we may still be in the dark begging the copyright holders of unix to budge from their $10,000 user license price tags, or stuck exclusively with BSD (which wouldn't be all that bad, except less silly penguins)
[10:31] <john_dee> Dominian, won't argue. but still his philosophy seems a bit other world. like, say, communism. we all know where it ended up %)
[10:31] <slackytude> probably not. but he had an important role,yeah
[10:31] <Dominian> john_dee: hehe
[10:32] Nick change: nayro -> tabata
[10:32] Nick change: tabata -> tabata_completo
[10:32] <vastina> slackytude: i was trying to make it sound dramatic, there's far more players... :) the one i will fully tip my hat to though, it the man himself, ken thompson
[10:32] <vastina> not for open source, but for what we all have here
[10:33] <vastina> without him; unix what?
[10:33] Nick change: tabata_completo -> Tabata_Felipa
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[10:33] <codenomicon> how much does it cost to buy SBC boards to play around with embedded Linux??
[10:33] <psychicist> fortunately you have a choice to disagree with him. I think he's done a lot for free software, but I could never become a cheerleader for the fsf
[10:34] <slackytude> vastina, just reading the wiki, good stuff
[10:35] <slackytude> psychicist, the FSF aint bad
[10:35] <phrag> FSF FTW
[10:35] <vastina> psychicist: fortunately we have a right, yeah... he's done a fair share, and taking a head seat like that comes with it's "obstacles", he knew what he was getting into
[10:35] <slackytude> or do I mean the EFF
[10:35] <vastina> slackytude: what on the wiki exactly?
[10:35] <slackytude> vastina, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Thompson_(computer_programmer)
[10:36] <vastina> yeah, he's what it's all about, 16 yr old unix prodigy
[10:36] <vastina> unics originally
[10:37] <john_dee> vastina, that's imo. i already wrote why
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[10:38] <vastina> john_dee: i was merely stating my own opinion whilst noting yours.
[10:39] <slava_dp> rms has his place in all that happens in the software world. i don't mind him releasing such articles as the mentioned one. he might be unrealistic at times (most of the time, in fact), but he drives the progress in free software.
[10:39] <slava_dp> linus torvalds alone won't be enough. linus is not an evangelist, he's just a programmer. rms is THE evangelist.
[10:40] <john_dee> vastina, hmm :)
[10:40] <vastina> slava_dp: don't forget bill joy, that guy is just as important to software movement and our /bin folder as rms
[10:40] Nick change: Tabata_Felipa -> nayro
[10:40] <slackytude> I cannot forgive RMS that he made emacs, tho
[10:40] <slackytude> :P
[10:40] <slava_dp> slackytude, lol i never use it either
[10:40] <vastina> slackytude: amen, vi baby
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[10:41] <vastina> another bill joy toy
[10:41] <adrenaline> Hey does anybody know how to send mail to two recipients using mailx?
[10:41] <vastina> vim is also wonderful though
[10:41] Nick change: nayro -> Tabata_Felipa
[10:42] <vastina> adrenaline: http://www.unix.com/unix-dummies-questions-answers/31908-using-mailx-multiple-recipients.html
[10:42] <vastina> google's lovely buddy
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[10:43] <overvolt> heY
[10:43] <overvolt> someone uses ATI based videocard on slack?
[10:43] <BP{k}> overvolt: "yes"
[10:43] <overvolt> BP{k}, do you have any problems with it?
[10:44] <overvolt> or better, whats your card?
[10:44] <BP{k}> overvolt: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 (rev a2)
[10:44] <overvolt> this is not ATI
[10:44] <BP{k}> I know.
[10:44] <overvolt> ...
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[10:45] <slackytude> there are people who use ATI, BP{k} is just too clever or it tho
[10:45] <BP{k}> you asked if "someone" was running an ATI card. ;-).
[10:45] <adrenaline> thanks vastina I will try that
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[10:45] <overvolt> i'm asking because I use a geforce7300, but I bought an HD 4670
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[10:45] <BP{k}> overvolt: kethry runs a ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550]
[10:46] <overvolt> i should receive today
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[10:46] <overvolt> but I have some problems with my onboard card ati X1200 before
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[10:46] <BP{k}> dive: keth has been dispatches for tesco's \o/
[10:46] <slackytude> BP{k}, there was an issue yesterday with the wmdrawer slackbiuld on sbo
[10:47] <slava_dp> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/09/11/bill_joys_greatest_gift/  <---- great article on vi history
[10:47] <dive> :))
[10:47] <BP{k}> slackytude: yeah, I saw that in the scrollback, I don't have time at the moment to look into it. I am wondering if it had to do with extra directoris containing icons and all
[10:47] <slackytude> BP{k}, as long as someone noticed
[10:48] <slackytude> slava_dp, eh, vi is his simplest stuff?
[10:48] <psychicist> do the Xorg Ati graphics drivers (radeon and radeonhd) use the graphics card to its full potential on Linux without relying mostly on the CPU for rendering?
[10:48] <vastina> slava_dp: good article, thanks
[10:48] <slackytude> yeah good one
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[10:52] <slackytude> So I had a terminal at home and a 300 baud modem so the cursor could move around and I just stayed up all night for a few months and wrote vi.
[10:52] <slackytude> epic
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[10:52] <vastina> slackytude: indeed
[10:52] Action: vastina <3's vi
[10:53] <vastina> emacs is a joke... whoever loves emacs in here, your shit is bloat kthnx
[10:55] Nick change: Tabata_Felipa -> nayro
[10:55] <vastina> haha, em Editor for Mortals, then having to be immortal to use it... nice line
[10:55] <slackytude> lots of good stuff there. like the describtion of the emacs developtment
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[11:00] <vastina> slackytude: see why i call emacs bloat apart of the extremely obvious
[11:00] <slackytude> yea
[11:00] <slackytude> rich bastards over at MIT
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[11:01] <vastina> haha that reminds me that i was accepted to MIT and then went to CU Boulder instead, to end up at Imperial College in London...
[11:01] Action: vastina wonders what he'd be like if he just went to MIT
[11:01] <slackytude> proably a mac user
[11:02] <vastina> CU injected the BSD into me, i have to say
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[11:02] <slackytude> see?
[11:02] Action: vastina nods
[11:03] <vastina> Imperial is a joke in many ways (surprise surprise), but in the Biology and Physics departments, those men would rather have the eye teeth ripped from their skulls than use anything by microsoft
[11:04] <vastina> their*
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[11:06] <vastina> mac is a freak with unix blood running through it
[11:07] <mac-> rly?
[11:07] <mac-> ;p
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[11:07] Action: psychicist agrees with the microsoft sentiment
[11:07] <vastina> yeah haha
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[11:07] <BP{k}> mac-: yeah, you *freak*!! :P
[11:07] <vastina> go away apply boy
[11:07] <vastina> haha
[11:07] <Fiyawerkin> does hackintosh count as being a mac user? if so, i'm down
[11:08] <mac-> i`m not mac user :D
[11:08] <vastina> i run OpenBSD on mac hardware, love the hardware, not the OS
[11:08] <mac-> but i wish to work on PowerPC machine some days :)
[11:08] <mac-> vastina: right
[11:08] <Fiyawerkin> i don't mind the os at all, using it for my media center currently
[11:08] <mac-> i have powerPC on my printer, Minolta PagePro 1100
[11:08] <mac-> :)
[11:09] <mac-> Pegasos was good enough but now it is dead project
[11:09] <mac-> there is light in the end of tunnel - LimePC
[11:09] <mac-> with PowerPC
[11:10] <mac-> nice netbooks
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[11:11] <psychicist> Genesi has failed to release anything new the past few years, I've given up the hope of seeing anything coming from them using PowerPC. I believe they're going to release ARM based (Freescale i.MX??) hardware this year like many other companies, though
[11:11] <vastina> i just bought an old powerbook titanium with a massive screen and a 2 Ghz dual core PowerPC chip
[11:11] <vastina> $300
[11:12] <vastina> :)
[11:12] <vastina> 2.3Ghz
[11:12] <psychicist> that's nice, but where did you get the dual core chip from? :)
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[11:13] <vastina> powerpc, not a powerbook... typeo
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[11:14] <vastina> i want an old powerbook, probably why i typed that
[11:15] <slackytude> I wonder how linux will fare with them ARM netbooks
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[11:15] <Dominian> There are ARM distros out there
[11:16] <psychicist> I think they will do really well, if they're going to be sold is another thing
[11:16] <slackytude> yeah, I meant the marketing aspect not the technical side
[11:17] <slackytude> there seem to be lots of ARM netbooks coming
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[11:17] <slackytude> and there is linux on x86 netbooks too
[11:17] <stillborn> hello, is there stjerm package for SW?
[11:18] <LSD`> I hope the ARM netbooks get a better Linux distro than Maemo. God that thing is dire.
[11:18] <slackytude> moblin is supposedly good. thats intel tho
[11:18] <psychicist> I've read a few reports that in the beginning the netbooks running Linux were selling really well, but after that Wintel vendors caved in because of their existing relations with both companies.
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[11:19] <slackytude> psychicist, ars has a follow up to that today
[11:19] <slackytude> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/04/death-of-linux-on-netbooks-greatly-exaggerated.ars
[11:19] <LSD`> I read somewhere that Linux-based netbooks had higher return rates than Windows one
[11:20] <LSD`> They weren't unreliable, people just didn't like Linux on them
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[11:20] <slackytude> LSD`, check the link above. its somewhat treu for certain vendors but not in general
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[11:20] <slackytude> especially MSI saw higher rates but their linux was crap
[11:21] <LSD`> slackytude: probably due to each vendors different choice in Linux distros
[11:21] <slackytude> yeah
[11:21] <slackytude> dell mini 9 has a 30% linux rate or so
[11:21] <slackytude> iiirc
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[11:22] <Necos> 30% return rate?
[11:22] <slackytude> eh, no 30% market segemt
[11:22] <LSD`> Necos: 3 out of 10 people who bought one returned it in favour of a Windows one
[11:22] <slackytude> same return rate, 70% win, 30% linux
[11:22] <LSD`> oh, wait, n/m
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[11:23] <slackytude> 3 out of ten buy it with linux
[11:23] <slackytude> which isnt that bad
[11:23] <LSD`> tbh, I wouldn't buy the Dell Mini 9 simply because it doesn't have a HDD option
[11:24] <psychicist> slackytude: thanks, I'm going to read that. I've always maintained that Linux (and UNIX in general) had a higher chance of being adopted on non-x86 architectures because of the lack of pre-existing agreements and market conditions, hence my involvement with MIPS and ARM for the past two years. the rise of x86 netbooks hasn't changed anything about that perspective I've held and still do.
[11:24] <slackytude> psychicist, we shall see. somehow ARM is the next big thing, now
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[11:25] <straterra> That's because x86 sucks for low power
[11:25] <LSD`> Possibly because all those smartphones run some variant of ARM
[11:25] <LSD`> x86 sucks for pretty much everything :P
[11:26] <slackytude> heh
[11:26] <straterra> Not gaming! \O/
[11:26] <psychicist> it's good for crosscompilation and emulation, a quadcore does wonders for that ;)
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[11:26] <LSD`> It's only "good" because it's popular
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[11:28] <straterra> By that theory, your mom must be good :P
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[11:29] <slackytude>  now much net work could a network work if a network could net work?
[11:31] <antler> hehe
[11:32] <Necos> lol
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[11:34] <vastina> slackytude: that has to be the redneck nerdiest shit i've heard all morning, thank you!
[11:34] Action: vastina tips his imaginary hat
[11:34] <vastina> the most*
[11:34] <slackytude> ^-^
[11:35] <slackytude> got it from ##windows-server
[11:35] <antler> man do me a favour and s/st/g since that's what i keep seeing anyway
[11:35] <vastina> hahaha, makes complete sense then
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[11:36] <Necos> lol
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[11:44] <vastina> haha last night i was going through tonnes of old files and found loads of my old coursework from my C++ and Java courses
[11:45] <vastina> looks so dinosaur... Supplemental Java Vector Methods (java.util)
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[11:45] <slackytude> heh
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[12:08] <antler> wth schizo amarok? "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"
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[12:11] <dive> antler, amarok uses xine as a backend
[12:11] <acidchild> antler: epic fail.
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[12:13] <antler> yeah, i know that. it was fine yesternight.
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[12:27] <NaCl> antler: I've seen that problem many times...
[12:28] <antler> hmm. deleting amarokrc didn't help. restarting the sound server didn't help. reinstalling amarok didn't help. getting rid of xine-config in /.kde/share/apps/amarok did nothing.
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[12:29] <antler> NaCl: time for a windows technique? reboot? :P
[12:29] <NaCl> I remember flash player and xine not getting along too well
[12:29] <NaCl> antler: I think that's what I did...
[12:29] <NaCl> Either that or killed X first, then tried it.
[12:30] <NaCl> I have my own xine problems to worry about.
[12:30] <antler> hahah
[12:30] <antler> that's hilarious
[12:31] <antler> brb
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[12:32] <antler> apparently killing x solved the problem. no idea why.
[12:32] <antler> or restgarting x, rather
[12:32] <NaCl> Hm.  xine ftw?
[12:33] <antler> oh yeah. i'd have it no other way? :P
[12:33] <NaCl> It doesn't like replaying the first 10 seconds of FLAC files on my desktop, but for some brilliant reason, my laptop doesn't care.
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[12:39] <antler> 10:38:45 up 4 days, 14:10,  4 users,  load average: 0.76, 0.69, 0.60  <---- woo hoo! kept my uptime hahahah
[12:39] <slackytude> well, of course
[12:40] <slackytude> why should restarting X reset that
[12:40] <antler> heh i meant restarting x was enough, and that a reboot wasn't necessary
[12:40] <slackytude> ah, ok
[12:40] <slackytude> ^-^
[12:40] <antler> :D
[12:41] <antler> amarok really does kick the dalai lama's ass :P
[12:42] Action: NaCl likes 1.4 more than 2.0
[12:43] <antler> yeah, me too
[12:43] <NaCl> anyone have 1.4 packages for -current, or can I build one myself?
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[12:45] <antler> doesn't take unreasonably long to build. good way to see whether or not it'll work on current
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[12:47] <Chell> Hi all, Q: I'm using (wanting to use) nn for newsreading and it's working. But I can't seem to find how to query a newsserver for groups to fill newsrc. Anyone know how to do that on the command line?
[12:48] <NaCl> antler: I would try it out, but I am rebuilding firefox atm
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[13:07] <Chell> Last Q solved: nngrep is the tool (if inquiring minds want to know ;))
[13:08] Action: edman007 slaps Dominian for letting a quote stay in the noobfarm queue for an extended period of time
[13:08] <Dominian> not my fault
[13:08] <Dominian> :P
[13:08] <edman007> yes it is, i said so
[13:08] <vastina> haha
[13:08] <vastina> lol
[13:08] <Dominian> heh
[13:09] <Dominian> there.. sheesh
[13:09] <vastina> thank you Chell, i feel a little more enlightened by your answer
[13:09] <edman007> alright, i read it, now add more
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[13:12] <vastina> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Internet_map_1024.jpg this is sweet
[13:13] <dive> nice cluster
[13:14] <vastina> it's a visual representation of the entire internet
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[13:15] <Dominian> Yeah.. I think that's old... hehe
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[13:17] <vastina> Dominian: of course it's old, or it's extremely zoomed out and represents something we know nothing about
[13:18] <slackytude> I can see your house from hre
[13:19] <firebird619> Hey slackytude. How's it going?
[13:20] <slackytude> greetings firebird619. not a fun day :|  How are you?
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[13:22] <firebird619> Doing great. Thank you.
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[13:22] <firebird619> slackytude: Why isn't it a fun day?
[13:23] <slackytude> bad weather and annoying stuff do too. and Im tired as well
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[13:24] <firebird619> Ah, I see. It's kind of rainy/dreary here today.
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[13:28] <mnjhd> Hello all
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[13:29] <firebird619> Hello
[13:29] <mnjhd> First time here, so far I'm liking Slack
[13:29] <firebird619> Good to hear.
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[13:30] <mnjhd> I notice though, that when I'm using KDE, there are a few apps that seem to bind up my OS
[13:30] <mnjhd> They'll try to start, then the machine becomes unresponsive. Kolf is one, the terminal emulator is another.
[13:30] <mnjhd> Has anyone else seen this?
[13:31] <firebird619> Hmm, that's strange. I'm not sure I'd be of much help with that issue, but I'm sure someone else here can help you out.
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[13:32] <mnjhd> I'm sure it could be something as simple as slightly bad install discs, but I thought I'd ask first..
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[13:33] <firebird619> Yeah, just sort of wait around a while, I'm sure someone can help you with the issue.
[13:35] <mnjhd> Thanks, firebird.
[13:35] <firebird619> Your Welcome.
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[13:36] <jonsmith1982> mnjhd bind up?
[13:36] <jonsmith1982> you have to kill X ?
[13:37] <mnjhd> Hi jon. I can't even kill X, I have to reboot
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[13:37] <mnjhd> rseiub or the power button are all that will respond
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[13:39] <jonsmith1982> no, not come across anything like that, was wondering if it was the well known problem with xterm and composite enabled
[13:41] <mnjhd> OK, thank you kindly. I'll google the issue you mention, but if what I'm seeing isn't common then I'll maybe burn some new discs at a slower speed.
[13:42] <eviljames> fwiw, I haven't seen an issue like what you're saying either.
[13:42] <slackytude> its not common
[13:42] <slackytude> in here at least
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[13:44] <mnjhd> Cool, thanks all.
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[14:07] <lizardius> hi all
[14:07] <firebird619> Hello
[14:07] <twolf> hi
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[14:36] <Necos> hmmmmm
[14:38] <acidchild> are there companys that will do 'lockup safes' ? for rent or something
[14:38] <acidchild> for small boxes.
[14:38] <edman007> acidchild, any bank
[14:38] <acidchild> for guns/passports/etc
[14:38] <edman007> yup, banks
[14:38] <acidchild> mmmkay
[14:38] <Necos> lol
[14:39] <edman007> they will rent boxes in their safe
[14:39] <nooper> yay 60 days uptime
[14:39] <Necos> go to the post office
[14:39] <acidchild> i've got people prieing in my shit atm and its pissing me off.
[14:39] <Necos> at uni acidchild ?
[14:39] <acidchild> my privacy is being ripped apart out of peoples disrespect and ignorant.
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[14:40] <acidchild> no.. working enviroment/apartment/people around/data/servers etc
[14:40] <Necos> ah
[14:40] <acidchild> moving may 1st
[14:40] <acidchild> and new office space too
[14:40] <acidchild> freedom! :D
[14:40] <Necos> pimpin
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[14:42] <acidchild> Necos: http://dubstep.7a69.co.uk/~ash/Ash_Palmer_Bed_DWG_Apr15.PDF
[14:42] <acidchild> having a bed custom designed :D
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[14:42] <Dominian> SERVERS!
[14:42] <Dominian> er..
[14:42] Action: Dominian goes back to his corner
[14:42] <slackytude> O_o
[14:43] <Necos> wtf lol that's fuckin sweet!
[14:43] <acidchild> :)
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[14:43] <acidchild> Dominian: hehe... dude..
[14:43] <acidchild> if it comes down to it i'll get colo space in a real noc
[14:43] <acidchild> not this mismanaged peice of crap
[14:43] <Dominian> hah
[14:43] <Dominian> nah
[14:44] <acidchild> we're looking for a half rack in the states atm
[14:44] <Dominian> I'm just like juiced
[14:44] <Dominian> oh?
[14:44] <Necos> lol
[14:44] <Dominian> :D
[14:44] <acidchild> yep
[14:44] <Dominian> Howm uch bandwidth?
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[14:44] <acidchild> well 1Gbps to the rack probly
[14:44] <acidchild> unmetered.
[14:44] <Dominian> wow
[14:44] <Dominian> he.net?
[14:44] <acidchild> if i have my way ;)
[14:44] <Dominian> hehe
[14:44] <acidchild> or FDC.
[14:45] <Necos> acidchild: make 2 of these and have 1 shipped to me ^_^
[14:45] <acidchild> :D
[14:45] <Dominian> Not before our cluster is built
[14:45] <acidchild> show me the colour of your $ :P
[14:45] <Dominian> :P
[14:45] <acidchild> haha
[14:45] <acidchild> indeed
[14:45] <Dominian> man
[14:45] <acidchild> we're looking at 64GB of ram 4 CPU boxes
[14:45] <Dominian> never did clustering should be interesting
[14:45] <acidchild> with 9-10TB of disk
[14:46] <Dominian> er
[14:46] Action: Dominian faints
[14:46] <Dominian> acidchild: that'll support VMs just fine :P
[14:46] <acidchild> well thats what its for
[14:46] <acidchild> vmware.
[14:46] Action: Dominian nods
[14:46] <Dominian> If the processors do virtualization.... esxi might be suitable
[14:46] <acidchild> of course they do virtualization
[14:46] <Dominian> but need to make sure that all the hardware is compatable first...
[14:46] Action: acidchild might look in to crays
[14:46] <Dominian> wow
[14:47] <Dominian> thats some funding
[14:47] <Necos> geez
[14:47] <Necos> acidchild: can i have your job? =p
[14:47] <acidchild> at sevenl? sure
[14:47] <acidchild> rofl
[14:47] <acidchild> damn them muppets.
[14:47] <Dominian> hehe
[14:48] <Necos> can i have your budget, rather... ^_~
[14:48] <acidchild> and the work load? :P
[14:49] <Dominian> heh
[14:49] <acidchild> fuck what am i saying, lifes great =p
[14:49] <Necos> lol
[14:49] <Dominian> finally
[14:49] <acidchild> sunny out today
[14:49] <acidchild> makes you feel alive
[14:49] <straterra> life sucks o.O
[14:49] <straterra> unless there is rum
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[14:49] <straterra> sunlight is secondary to rum
[14:50] <acidchild> [cid ~/.claws-mail/addrbook]$ cat * | wc -l
[14:50] <acidchild> 13732
[14:50] <acidchild> check that out for an address book
[14:50] <acidchild> :>
[14:50] <Dominian> claws?
[14:50] <Dominian> ew
[14:51] <Dominian> better off using microsoft outlook express
[14:51] Action: Dominian ducks
[14:51] <acidchild> w/e ho
[14:51] <Dominian> hehe
[14:53] <vastina> acidchild: use mutt man
[14:53] <acidchild> NO
[14:53] <acidchild> i will use what i please!
[14:53] <vastina> it'll be good for you bitch, do it
[14:53] <vastina> :)
[14:53] <dive> mutt!
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[14:54] Action: vastina starts to see who the real unix guys in here are...
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[14:54] <vastina> :p
[14:54] <Dominian> oh boy
[14:54] <Necos> lol
[14:54] <dive> scp acidchild:..claws-mail/addrbook .
[14:54] <Necos> fuck that, use emacs as your email client =p
[14:54] <dive> stolen
[14:54] Nick change: Shingoshi_ -> Shingoshi
[14:54] <vastina> Necos: get bent
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[14:54] <Necos> lol
[14:55] <acidchild> i like claws, its GUI, fast and always works, filters at 4 stages... handles my massive amount of emails just find.
[14:55] <acidchild> fine*
[14:55] <dive> bah gui :<
[14:55] <acidchild> i don't have to 'press (s)ave for foo.jpg'
[14:55] <acidchild> control + a + c
[14:55] <vastina> <bitch> I like gui
[14:56] <acidchild> display foo.jpg
[14:56] <Necos> lol
[14:56] <acidchild> i don't have to fuck around regarding pdf's
[14:56] <dive> acidchild, nor do I
[14:56] <acidchild> and i can't be arsed making stupid macros for all this dumb shit
[14:56] <tewmten> hi acidchild
[14:56] <acidchild> hello tewmten !
[14:56] <dive> set up mailcap right and you just press enter
[14:56] <tewmten> acidchild: wzup?
[14:56] <acidchild> tewmten: getting high.
[14:57] <tewmten> standard procedure i see
[14:57] <tewmten> :D
[14:57] <vastina> acidchild: padawan, ease off the gui, it depletes dopamine
[14:57] <acidchild> not smoked in like 1 1/2 weeks
[14:57] <acidchild> vastina: padawan? ok
[14:57] <acidchild> sure...
[14:57] <tewmten> save it for your paroll officer :P
[14:57] <vastina> lol
[14:57] <dive> heh
[14:57] <acidchild> hahaha tewmten :P
[14:57] Action: tewmten is burning cd's
[14:57] <vastina> and where are our smokers?
[14:58] <dive> <--
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[14:58] <tewmten> my mate is dj'ing tonite but doesnt know what music to play
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[14:58] <dive> cough cough
[14:58] <tewmten> so i help him out
[14:58] <tewmten> it was the same thing last time he played
[14:58] <vastina> <-- 2, where as in locale, don't feel like traceorouting everyone in here
[14:58] <tewmten> me sitting and burning cd's for him a few hours before the party
[14:58] <tewmten> hehe
[14:58] <dive> UK
[14:58] <Necos> i don't smoke, so i don't count...
[14:58] <vastina> whereabouts man? i'm from woking
[14:58] <dive> huh? a dj with no idea of music to play, doesn't bode well does it?
[14:59] <dive> Crawley
[14:59] <acidchild> nice, just got free usage of a industrial 5axis miller ;D
[14:59] <vastina> big up Crawlers!
[14:59] Action: acidchild is learning autocad atm
[14:59] <dive> yes that shitehole
[14:59] <tewmten> dive: nah its not really his normal style of music so..
[14:59] <tewmten> psychedelic trance
[14:59] <tewmten> he has a bunch but doesnt know what's good or not, so i have to point him in the right direction :P
[14:59] <acidchild> dubstep! woo
[14:59] <acidchild> WOBWOBWOB
[15:00] <acidchild> tewmten: whats the setting?
[15:01] <tewmten> acidchild: the setting?
[15:01] <acidchild> venue.
[15:01] <vastina> christ, every time i chat in this channel, i get another trouble call
[15:01] <tewmten> acidchild: ah, this club in amsterdam
[15:02] <tewmten> acidchild: fairly old place, its been there for 25 years
[15:02] <tewmten> they usually play like synth and ebm etc
[15:02] <tewmten> metal etc etc
[15:02] <tewmten> but yeah its a nice place..
[15:02] <tewmten> havent been to a psy-party there in a while
[15:02] Nick change: Thursapr -> Thursap
[15:03] <acidchild> bass that badboy out
[15:03] <acidchild> =]
[15:03] <tewmten> yeah ive sorted out some nice tunes for my mate ;)
[15:04] <Necos> lol vastina, welcome to hell... level 2
[15:06] <Necos> ya know, k3b is pretty damn cool
[15:07] <Necos> being able to make bootable cds like nero is a useful option
[15:07] <vastina> i like k3b, but to hell with kde
[15:08] Action: vastina burps bloat
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[15:08] <Necos> i run openbox >.> had to install the kde libs to install k9copy, tho
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[15:08] <vastina> Necos: it's always a stupid trouble call, i'm a unix admin on a windows network :-D
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[15:09] <tewmten> acidchild: http://gaskammare.se/~tew/102-concept_-_legalize-upe.mp3
[15:09] <tewmten> =)
[15:09] Action: acidchild downloads.
[15:09] <acidchild> hehe 700kbps woo ;D
[15:09] <Necos> tewmten: permission to leech
[15:09] <Necos> ?
[15:10] <tewmten> uh yeah
[15:10] <acidchild> in sed how do i do s/"something" OR "something else"//g ?
[15:10] <tewmten> its not like i put it in a public dir on the web so no one can leech :p
[15:10] <Necos> ah, only 50k/s ; ;
[15:10] <acidchild> s/'email="'|'"'//g
[15:11] <acidchild> wasn't going down :<
[15:11] <Necos> it was more of a bandwidth concern
[15:11] <tewmten> acidchild: yeah suck on my 100mbit/s web-lulz
[15:11] <tewmten> :P
[15:11] <vastina> tewmten: permission to root?
[15:11] <tewmten> go for it
[15:11] <tewmten> i forgot my root password anyway so if you reset, please send me an email
[15:11] <tewmten> :P
[15:11] <vastina> nah, just siezed the opportunity to run my fingers
[15:12] <vastina> haha nice
[15:12] <Necos> if i could only be so lucky (as to remember my root password)
[15:12] <Necos> =p
[15:12] <tewmten> well i go now
[15:12] <tewmten> laater
[15:12] <Necos> ewww 10k/s
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[15:14] <slava_dp> any suggestion for a software to rip a dvd-video to avi?
[15:15] <rg3> mencoder, of course
[15:16] <slava_dp> preferably, gui-based :)
[15:16] <dive> dvd::rip
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[15:18] <vastina> later tewmten
[15:18] <vastina> wtf...
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[15:19] Action: vastina is confused, followed the slackware community since 1996, and lately hears so many slackers asking for gui tools, or wanting to run beryl, what has this community come to?
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[15:19] <straterra> what does beryl have to do with slackware?
[15:20] <vastina> i've seen slackers asking for it?
[15:20] <vastina> :)
[15:20] <vastina> it's gui
[15:20] <straterra> so?
[15:20] <Necos> acidrip is good too i've heard
[15:20] <vastina> follows my bitching
[15:20] <straterra> Who said Slackware didn't have GUI elements?
[15:21] <vastina> i was making the point that the community is a lot more gui oriented than ever before, that's all, an opinion
[15:21] <slackytude> its also bigger than before
[15:21] <straterra> I don't really think it is
[15:21] <vastina> so is every distro
[15:22] <vastina> well, these are opinions, it is what it is... i'm just saying mine
[15:22] <slackytude> besides,most gui stuff sucked back then
[15:23] <slackytude> if there were any
[15:23] <Aldaron> Slack is go
[15:23] <vastina> back when?
[15:23] <slackytude> you said 1996
[15:23] <Aldaron> ood! for letting me choose the level of guiness I like
[15:23] <vastina> yeah
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[15:23] <vastina> gui back then was sweet
[15:23] <Aldaron> slackware installer has been a gui for as long as I've used slack ;)
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[15:24] <vastina> haha i remember going through every alphanumberic section of slack through a handbook, 1996 would have me... 14ish..
[15:24] <Aldaron> I'm even considering slackware for my eee901, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea
[15:25] <duryodhan> hi .. on my friend's comp hostname is coming as (none) .. he ran netconfig multiple times
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[15:25] <slackytude> Aldaron, people do it
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[15:26] <vastina> i remember getting so fucking pissed off with ipfwadm
[15:26] <Aldaron> slackytude: no doubt =). But I'd really like the setup to be as easy as possible, everything supported, and suspend a lot. This far I'm managing with ubuntu-based things, even though I'm longing for slackware every time I need to install somethin
[15:26] <duryodhan> what could be the issue ?
[15:26] <slackytude> heh
[15:26] <duryodhan> uname -n also shows blank
[15:26] <slackytude> duryodhan, a slackware?
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[15:27] <duryodhan> slackytude: yeah
[15:27] <duryodhan> ergo the #slackware :P
[15:27] <Necos> uname -a shows?
[15:28] <duryodhan> 1 min
[15:28] <duryodhan> Linux (none) 2.6.21.5-smp #2 SMP Tue Jun 19 14:58:11 CDT 2007 i686 AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-34 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
[15:28] <Necos> fun
[15:28] Action: vastina holds in a laugh
[15:29] <duryodhan> eh ?
[15:29] <vastina> duryodhan: not you buddy
[15:29] <Dominian> duryodhan: laptop?
[15:29] <duryodhan> yes
[15:29] <Dominian> Got the same processor in mine
[15:30] Action: Necos punches vastina in the solarplexus 
[15:30] <Necos> ^_^
[15:31] <slackytude> cat /etc/HOSTNAME
[15:32] Action: vastina farts
[15:32] <vastina> duryodhan: do, dmesg | grep 'eth[0]'
[15:33] <vastina> duryodhan: do, dmesg | grep -i 'eth[0]'
[15:33] <vastina> sorry
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[15:35] <duryodhan> eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0x1800, IRQ 16, 00:16:36:40:0a:bd.
[15:35] <duryodhan> eth0: Media Link Off
[15:35] <duryodhan> eth0: Media Link On 100mbps full-duplex
[15:35] Channel flood from duryodhan -- kicking
[15:35] <duryodhan> eth0: Media Link On 100mbps full-duplex
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[15:36] <duryodhan> 5 lines!!? seriously ?
[15:36] <vastina> duryodhan: speak more slowly, so slackboy can palate your speech
[15:36] <vastina> :)
[15:37] <vastina> ok, so i got up to your Media Link On 100mbps full-dup
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[15:37] <vastina> last line again if you don't mind
[15:38] <duryodhan> eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[15:38] <duryodhan> he is accessing the net
[15:38] <duryodhan> and talking to me
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[15:38] <vastina> ok
[15:38] <duryodhan> on gtalk
[15:38] <duryodhan> he can't start httpd
[15:39] <duryodhan> httpd: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for (none)
[15:39] <duryodhan> which is clearly because his comp doesn't have a name
[15:40] <vastina> is he trying to run a web-server? hang on i'm on a call
[15:40] <duryodhan> yes
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[15:41] <duryodhan> and low bandwidth.. he doesn't want to download xampp like I told him to :D
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[15:43] <slackytude> whats in the /etc/hosts ? and in HOSTNAME?
[15:44] <pi31415> In KDE I set konqueror to open PDF files in Kpdf instead of showing them embedded in the Konqueror window.  This works at first, but on multiple systems this eventually breaks and it can no longer open PDF files.  The error is "KDEInit could not launch '/home/ben/Desktop/document.pdf'.
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[15:45] <duryodhan> hmm .. I asked him to set hostname manually .. and HOSTNAME, uname -n show correct file .. but /etc/hosts doesn't
[15:47] <rg3> pi31415: you only have to edit the mime type for pdf and tell it to open in an external program instead of embedding it
[15:47] <slackytude> well, change that as well
[15:47] <rg3> pi31415: i have't used kde in months, but i recall this was pretty easy
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[15:48] <pi31415> rg3: I had done it through the GUI using Open With, Other, and Remember application associations for this type of file...
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[15:49] <rg3> pi31415: that's what i'm telling you, you should use the thing i said instead of that
[15:49] <duryodhan> hmm .. setting hostname by hand seems to have worked
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[15:50] <slackytude> ^-^
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[15:53] <pi31415> I noticed that there is a redundant KPDF entry in the KDE control panel file association settings for application/pdf.  After removing that entry, it works again for now.
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[15:53] <psychicist> pi31415: I always remove the first occurrence of Kpdf in "Edit Mime Types" for PDF documents. it's a bug in KDE 3, I don't know how it works in KDE 4 because I've hardly used it
[15:54] <pi31415> psychicist: thanks for the info =)
[15:55] Nick change: credo_ -> credo
[15:55] <i_is_cat> anyone use a wibrain before?
[15:55] <vastina> duryodhan: sorry about that, just got off the phone
[15:55] <duryodhan> vastina: thats fine .. fixed it I think
[15:55] <vastina> just a manual host entry the netconfig script wasn't reading?
[15:55] <duryodhan> lets wait until his next restart
[15:56] <duryodhan> I think so
[15:56] <vastina> well let me know if something else comes up, i idle this channel from work so i get distracted for almost anything
[15:57] <duryodhan> same here .. :D
[15:57] <duryodhan> I just need to find a good irc client ... chatzilla keeps hanging with firefox
[15:57] <vastina> irssi
[15:57] <vastina> :)
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[15:58] <slackytude> i_is_cat, greetinggs
[15:58] <duryodhan> no .. its too much of a pain to configure etc.
[15:58] <i_is_cat> whats up slackytude
[15:58] <duryodhan> and the normal one .. well it just looks ugly
[15:58] <slackytude> not much, drinking beer, you?
[15:58] <vastina> duryodhan: is it? really?
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[15:58] <i_is_cat> i just got off a phone interview for a contract
[15:58] <Urchlay> duryodhan: irssi with its default config works well enough for all but the pickiest users
[15:58] <slackytude> and?
[15:58] <duryodhan> well .. atleast I got bored halfway trying to configure
[15:58] <vastina> serves me well... i used bitch-x as a little boy and grew up into irssi
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[15:59] <i_is_cat> i have to wait and find out
[15:59] <i_is_cat> i hate waiting..
[15:59] <Urchlay> run irssi, type "/server irc.freenode.org", wait for connect, "/nick duryodhan", "/3 ##slackware"... easy enough?
[15:59] <duryodhan> Urchlay: ok .. learning keyboard shortcuts I guess ... all the buttons for next channel etc.
[15:59] <slackytude> eh
[15:59] <vastina> Urchlay: lmao
[15:59] <slackytude> i_is_cat, do you know if gunni solved his issue
[16:00] <duryodhan> yeh ..why type /nick .. why can't I tell it to save my password etc.
[16:00] <duryodhan> and why /3 ? why not /j ?
[16:00] <vastina> duryodhan: it's called irc commands....
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[16:00] <i_is_cat> gunni? which issue was that?
[16:00] Action: vastina shakes his head
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[16:00] <Urchlay> duryodhan: /nick and all, you can save (edit ~/.irssi/config, which you wanted to avoid)... the /3 is a bizarre typo, should be /j :)
[16:01] <chopp> nullboy: just in time. I have a couple questions for you. :P
[16:01] <vastina> Urchlay: he's not here
[16:01] Action: Urchlay looks... "3" key is like 6 inches away from the "j", how did that happen?
[16:01] <Urchlay> well he was here when I started typing that line :(
[16:01] <vastina> haha
[16:01] <slackytude> i_is_cat, nvm then
[16:01] <Urchlay> kids today...
[16:01] <vastina> i was going to tell him to use mirc
[16:01] <vastina> hahaha
[16:01] <i_is_cat> lol
[16:02] <i_is_cat> slackytude, you ever used a wibrain before?
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[16:02] <i_is_cat> im considering buying one.. if the pandora was available i'd get one of those instead but.. i dunno
[16:02] <Urchlay> actually mirc works pretty well in wine, if that's your poison
[16:02] <slackytude> i_is_cat,  I dont even know what that is
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[16:02] <i_is_cat> www.wibrain.com
[16:02] <slackytude> ugh, mirc in wine
[16:02] Action: slackytude slaps Urchlay 
[16:02] <i_is_cat> its a umpc i guess..
[16:03] <Urchlay> hey, I don't use it, I just said it does work
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[16:03] <Gatto> hi guys
[16:03] <vastina> Urchlay: he'd probably need crossover pro
[16:03] <vastina> :)
[16:03] <duryodhan> eh ?
[16:03] <duryodhan> got disconnected
[16:03] <Urchlay> duryodhan: OK, you want a GUI client, try x-chat
[16:03] <Urchlay> (eh, wait, x-chat might require a ton o' gnome deps)
[16:03] <duryodhan> well I don't WANT a gui client .. I just didn't find irssi to be worth all the worship everyone else gives
[16:03] <vastina> what's up Gatto?
[16:03] <duryodhan> I find chatzilla pretty acceptable
[16:04] <slackytude> Urchlay, no, it doesnt
[16:04] <duryodhan> other than the fact that it has to live and die with firefox
[16:04] <i_is_cat> xchat works fine for me..
[16:04] <Urchlay> ah, "xchat", not "x-chat"... duryodhan, try that, it's gotta be better than chatzilla
[16:05] <Gatto> what's up?
[16:05] <duryodhan> hmm ok .. I don't mind gnome deps .. work forces me to use RHEL :((
[16:05] <i_is_cat> i always have kde up anyways so why not run an irc gui
[16:05] <duryodhan> you think ubuntu is bad ?
[16:05] <i_is_cat> i dislike ubuntu
[16:05] <Urchlay> duryodhan: there's also an easy-to-use CLI client called "rhapsody" that I've used for extra-dumb terminals before
[16:05] <duryodhan> try rhel ..
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[16:06] <i_is_cat> i used to run redhat
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[16:06] <i_is_cat> i stopped when they switched to fedora.. fedora was just too..... "user-friendly" i guess is the best way i can put it
[16:06] <pi31415> I like redhat on the server side
[16:06] <i_is_cat> or tried to be anyways.. and failed
[16:07] <duryodhan> Urchlay: hmm .. ok thanks will try
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[16:08] <duryodhan> RHEL 4 on your fcking desktop .. DEATH is sweeter
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[16:08] Action: slackytude liked fedora
[16:08] <i_is_cat> which version? i think i only used 2 and then switched to opensuse
[16:08] <Urchlay> hm. And what do people think of weechat? (I haven't ever used it...)
[16:08] <vastina> ok have an ongoing problem with an ip conflict with the DHCP server itself, except i can't find the damned machine causing the conflict, when i nmap -sS the host, it pulls the correct MAC for me, then when i do a nmap <network> -sP i find the offensive MAC in place of the IP, anyone have any idea what i can do to help me locate this MAC short of changing the DHCP server's address? this issue is plaguing me
[16:08] <slackytude> eh, cant remeber
[16:09] <slackytude> not to long ago, 3years?
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[16:09] <i_is_cat> thats the one downside to the wibrain.. they have a linux version but its ubuntu (of course) and it would probably be a huge bitch to get slackware running properly on it..
[16:09] <vastina> bogging the fuck out of my dmesg
[16:10] <Urchlay> vastina: do you actually need to get rid of the offending host, or just tell openbsd to quit griping about it?
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[16:10] <nullboy> vastina: you know which IP is conflicting and you know the MACs of both systems that are participating in the conflict when it happens?
[16:10] <vastina> Urchlay: i want to get rid of the offending host, it's competing with the dhcp server over it's own address
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[16:11] <vastina> nullboy: yes i do
[16:11] <vastina> see my message, i did my diligence
[16:11] <nullboy> vastina: how many systems total are we talking about?
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[16:11] <vastina> just want another clue on how to find the physical machine, i have 175 clients
[16:11] <Urchlay> cause if you know the "evil" mac address, you look in your handy-dandy network documentation and find out which jack on the patch panel it is, and unplug it
[16:11] <vastina> 2 in conflict
[16:11] <nullboy> without using a managed switched the answer is start walking around
[16:11] <nullboy> vastina: ..i said total re my message....
[16:12] <slackytude> sneaker net, it is
[16:12] <nullboy> if you don't have a managed switch you are walking around. it's that simple
[16:12] <slackytude> or can you push/execute a scipt on the machines?
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[16:12] <vastina> nullboy: 2 machines in conflict over 175 on this network, i didn't build this network, i'm just the "talented hand brought on" so a lot of the documentationa nd organisation i need isn't present
[16:12] <Urchlay> if you do have a managed switch, you still might be walking around...
[16:12] <vastina> i guess i have to walk around...
[16:13] <vastina> fuck, phone...
[16:13] <nullboy> vastina Urchlay: with a managed switch you just look at which port has this MAC and then trace the lines
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[16:13] <nullboy> if the switch ports and wall plates are documented you don't even need to trace the lines
[16:14] <Urchlay> ah, that's basically what I meant by "network documentation", I write that stuff down since I've always worked for cheap people who won't spend extra on a managed switch
[16:14] <vastina> nullboy: i know... i guess i was being very hopeful in throwing that question out, hoping someone will pull out a stupid "oh just do this simple thing you forgot" kind of thing, but guess i'll need to manually inspect this whole setup
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[16:14] <slackytude> our mac list is printed and on my left hand side, 30 cms ^-^
[16:14] <slackytude> pinned to the wall
[16:15] <slackytude> go go documentation!
[16:15] <Urchlay> vastina: an idea: on your workstation, set a static ARP entry for the offending MAC address and the IP it's stealing... now nmap it, look for services that identify who the client is
[16:16] <nullboy> umm
[16:16] <Urchlay> vastina: I'm assuming if you knew who owned the thing, you could at least narrow it down to which part of the building to look in
[16:16] <nullboy> all you could do it check DNS for ip to hostnames
[16:16] <Urchlay> nullboy: it has the wrong IP address though
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[16:16] <Urchlay> it's got the same IP as the network-wide DHCP server, he said
[16:16] <vastina> Urchlay: good suggestion, brb
[16:17] <slackytude> eh, same IP as the dhcp server
[16:17] <slackytude> thats dumb
[16:17] <Urchlay> well yeah
[16:17] <i_is_cat> so my neighbour came over yesterday and apparently my slackware gateway/firewall is working just fine for him
[16:17] <i_is_cat> woot
[16:17] <Urchlay> but it's not his dumbness (his predecessor, or the client, managed to screw this up, he's trying to fix)
[16:17] <slackytude> Urchlay, course not
[16:18] <i_is_cat> now i just need to figure out how to qos him and things will be gravy
[16:18] <slackytude> qos
[16:18] <slackytude> ye gods
[16:18] <i_is_cat> lol
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[16:19] <Urchlay> hm, I used to have a "physical QoS" system (cat5 cable with a gouge in it, capable of no more than 50kbit/sec...)
[16:19] <i_is_cat> wow wouldnt you know it, video.msn.com doesnt work on opera with linux
[16:19] <chopp> nullboy: do you have a ms box you could use to test that TLS?
[16:19] <i_is_cat> *shock*
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[16:21] <slackytude> i_is_cat, you get money for that?
[16:21] <i_is_cat> for which?
[16:21] <i_is_cat> the neighbours net?
[16:22] <slackytude> aye
[16:22] <i_is_cat> well.. the net costs me $19.95/month
[16:22] <i_is_cat> and i get 1/8th from him every month
[16:22] <i_is_cat> which is worth like $35
[16:22] <i_is_cat> lol
[16:22] <i_is_cat> 30-35 anyways
[16:23] <dive> wow that's gone up since I last smoked
[16:23] <dive> used to Ł15 for the going rate
[16:23] <i_is_cat> dude thats the same price
[16:23] <dive> but that was > 10 years ago
[16:23] <dive> nah $30 is more like Ł20
[16:23] <dive> now days
[16:24] <i_is_cat> still.. with 10yrs difference thats not bad
[16:24] <dive> yeah
[16:24] <i_is_cat> theres some guys who want 280/oz straight up i laugh in their face
[16:24] <dive> the price of tobacco is what gets me annoyed though
[16:25] <i_is_cat> agreed
[16:25] <i_is_cat> and printer ink
[16:25] <dive> since it's just a damn plant
[16:25] <i_is_cat> printer ink prices are a joke
[16:25] <dive> depends - you can find cheap alternatives
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[16:26] <dive> dunno what that's like in the us but there a few sites come and go in the uk have cheap inks
[16:26] <i_is_cat> the one thing that really pisses me off about tobacco out here is that its like 80% taxes and yet the government is enforcing legislation saying smokers have less rights than nonsmokers so we cant smoke indoors and must be so far from doorways etc like i pay the frigging government more than a nonsmoker i deserve more rights
[16:26] <i_is_cat> non smokers should be forced outside whenever a smoker lights up in a bar or where ever
[16:26] <dive> yeah
[16:26] <slackytude> O_o
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[16:27] <dive> landlord at local pub said it's funny how his fire is allowed to smoke but he isn't
[16:27] <slackytude> pay more = more rights? bad idea
[16:27] <dive> well yeah lol
[16:27] <slackytude> besides, you'd call them privileges then, if you be proper aboutit
[16:27] <dive> but that's already the way of the world
[16:27] <i_is_cat> its just the point that i pay the gov money to get screwed
[16:28] <slackytude> yeah, but you volunteered for it
[16:28] <dive> well you are screwed _because_ you pay that money
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[16:28] <i_is_cat> i guess its the same with everything really but if they're going to say i cant smoke in X,Y,Z then they shouldnt be taking so much money from me for it
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[16:29] <i_is_cat> the gov makes more money than the tobacco company, and the retailers combined
[16:29] <dive> they are trying to bump tax on alcohol again here
[16:29] <dive> used to be only at budget time we would get extra tax, now they seem to add it on whenever they feel like it..
[16:30] <dive> and what is the point of having an empty pub/bar with all the people outside smoking?
[16:30] <dive> makes no sense
[16:30] <i_is_cat> i dont drink much but ive heard from people that alcohol is so expensive here because of the taxes on it just like smokes
[16:30] <i_is_cat> ive never checked into it tho so i couldnt say for sure
[16:31] <dive> yeah it is
[16:32] <i_is_cat> i think bars should be allowed to have smokers inside, as long as they have a big sign outside with a skull and crossbones that says something to the effect of "this establishment permits smokers, by entering this establishment you understand that you are put at risk for cancer etc from second hand smoke"
[16:32] <dive> certain things are taxed overkill - alcohol, tobacco and petrol
[16:33] <i_is_cat> and of course a "we're not liable" sort of thing..
[16:33] <dive> yeah that would be better - or at least smoke bars and smoke free bars
[16:33] <Urchlay> where I am, bars can choose between being 21-and-up and allowing smokers, or being 18-and-up and not allowing smokers (but then, the drinking age is 21, so most bars don't bother with the 18-20 crowd)
[16:34] <Urchlay> it'd be nice if bar owners were allowed to make their own choices instead of the government forcing them
[16:34] <i_is_cat> i agree
[16:34] <dive> yep
[16:34] <i_is_cat> they use the argument that the waitresses and bartenders and stuff are at risk
[16:34] <i_is_cat> i say BS, they dont have to work at that particular bar
[16:34] <dive> there are other places to work
[16:34] <Urchlay> most of the waitresses/bartenders are already smokers
[16:34] <i_is_cat> exactly
[16:35] <slackytude> like there arent any other jobs with risk like these
[16:35] <i_is_cat> even a lot of non-smokers will smoke at the bar
[16:35] <i_is_cat> tobacco and alcohol are like an old married couple
[16:35] <Urchlay> what, they argue a lot and never have sex?
[16:36] <dive> or vice versa
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[16:36] <i_is_cat> slackytude, exactly.. there was a place i worked at for a couple of days years ago where i read this barrel warning label that said i should be wearing a biohazard suit because the chemicals can cause alterations in your genetic makeup or some shit
[16:36] <i_is_cat> i was like WTF?
[16:36] <slackytude> well, but smoking tobaco in bars is obviously worse
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[16:36] Action: slackytude rolls eyes
[16:37] <dive> some companies just really couldn't give a shit
[16:37] <tewmten> so im at  the club soundchecking..
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[16:37] <Urchlay> i_is_cat: well that's how superheroes get created, fall into vat of toxic/radioactive goo, get superpowers :)
[16:37] Action: thrice` doesn't go to bars anymore that allows smoking
[16:37] <i_is_cat> LOL i should've tried it
[16:37] <dive> or cancer- roll the dice
[16:37] <i_is_cat> the worst that could happen is i'd die quick and my family would get a nice chunk of change from the resulting lawsuit
[16:37] <tewmten> all ppl in amsterdam should come to korsakoff at 2300 hrs
[16:37] <dive> 'mmm what's this stuff? tasty..'
[16:37] <i_is_cat> errr i guess dying slow and painfully would be worse..
[16:38] <tewmten> for massive partyness
[16:38] <Urchlay> thrice`: I'm exactly the opposite: I hate going to bars that don't allow smoking...  when sober, I can control my urge to light up, but when buzzed, the cravings get a lot stronger
[16:38] <dive> tewmten, Im on my way to the ferry port right now dude
[16:38] <tewmten> :D
[16:38] <thrice`> yuck.  why would I want shitty smoke infecting the taste of my delicous beer? :(
[16:39] <Urchlay> if you actually were a smoker, you wouldn't think of it that way
[16:39] <Urchlay> (not that I recommend you start smoking: it's a disgusting habit, and will kill me one day...)
[16:40] <thrice`> the cost alone is enough to motivate me away
[16:41] <Urchlay> back when I started I was a kid, the cost didn't matter cause I had no real understanding of money (no bills to pay, etc)
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[16:41] <slackytude> living will kill you one day
[16:42] <Urchlay> well yeah
[16:43] <Urchlay> it's not like I spend every minute of every day being terrified of getting a tumor
[16:43] <i_is_cat> you dont?
[16:43] <slackytude> what would be the point of that anyway
[16:43] <i_is_cat> :O
[16:43] <Urchlay> just saying, if I had a time machine, I'd want to go back to 1989 and convince my younger self to not start smoking
[16:44] <dive> I'm gonna have to buy a tobacco pouch - these health pics on tobacco really piss me off
[16:44] <Urchlay> (also tell him who was gonna win the next 20 world series, give some stock tips, you know...)
[16:44] <dive> maybe they will start putting health warnings on crates of landmines?
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[16:45] <slackytude> I was thinking of making those yellow arm signs that were popular in germany sometime ago, but with a cigg in it
[16:45] <dive> or cluster bombs..
[16:45] <Urchlay> dive: they do put "this end towards enemy" labels on RPG launchers and howitzers :)
[16:45] <slackytude> probably a bit too "in your face"  tho
[16:45] <i_is_cat> slackytude, that would just make people try to bum smokes off you even when you're not smoking :S
[16:45] <slackytude> heh
[16:45] <dive> yeah but they could have 'this landmine may be trod on by a child 5 years after the war is over'
[16:45] <i_is_cat> which some people already do and it makes me want to slap them
[16:46] <slackytude> danger, handle with care
[16:46] <i_is_cat> some guy came up to me the other day and asked if i had an "extra" cigarette
[16:46] <i_is_cat> i said none of my smokes are extras
[16:46] <slackytude> heh, do not step on this!
[16:46] <i_is_cat> he said oh that makes sense and walked away
[16:46] <Urchlay> dive: if they really wanted to, they could design landmines that can be deactivated by remote control, or on a timer
[16:46] <slackytude> landmines with warning signs
[16:46] <dive> yeah they could
[16:46] <slackytude> too expensive
[16:47] <dive> yes that's my guess
[16:47] <Urchlay> of course, if you lose the war, all the people with access to the remote to disable the mines might be dead
[16:47] <slackytude> besides, they work great, no?
[16:47] <i_is_cat> oooh new product idea
[16:47] <i_is_cat> hello kitty landmines
[16:47] <slackytude> heh
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[16:47] <i_is_cat> they already have hello kitty everything else...
[16:48] <dive> same with cluster bombs that fail to go off - kids find them and play with them
[16:48] <slackytude> well, there are booby traps that look like dolls or sweets
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[16:48] <Urchlay> actually. If you set up a minefield. You don't care whether the enemy knows it's a minefield, so long as he doesn't know where exactly the mines are, right?
[16:48] <slackytude> so, neither original nor fun
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[16:48] <Urchlay> I mean you might even want him to know it's a minefield...  sort of a "don't even try it" idea
[16:48] <slackytude> Urchlay, depends, Id say the fact that the enemy knows that there *is* a minefield in enough
[16:48] <i_is_cat> how about landmines with legs
[16:49] <slackytude> makes him carefull
[16:49] <i_is_cat> so every 24hrs they relocate
[16:49] <slackytude> i_is_cat, old stuff
[16:49] <straterra> youd get landmind tripping landmines
[16:49] <slackytude> arpa did that
[16:49] <straterra> landmines^
[16:49] <Urchlay> slackytude: makes him move his troops where you want him to, you mean?
[16:49] <dive> what like spider mines in UT2004? they swarm and chase after you lol
[16:49] <i_is_cat> really? lol
[16:49] <i_is_cat> thats pretty neat
[16:49] <slackytude> Urchlay, or denies access where you dont want him, or slows him down
[16:49] <i_is_cat> i dont really follow military hardware and weapons..
[16:50] <dive> I'm talking about the game UT2004
[16:50] <Urchlay> of course you get the world war I and II thing where they force a flock of sheep (or POWs) over the suspected mined area
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[16:54] <acidchild> and now we have chemical signiture cameras :D
[16:54] <i_is_cat> wow i finally found someone who agrees with my that facebook sucks
[16:54] <slackytude> http://www.darpa.mil/sto/smallunitops/shm/projacco.html
[16:54] <i_is_cat> me*
[16:54] <dive> acidchild, ?
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[16:55] <dive> spectrum analysis?
[16:56] <paul424> hi all I try to install the ati drivers from the ati home page but I get error cannot install the compiled module or something... I have the 12.0 version and I found the reason can be that the kernel was compiled with 4.2.4 while the orginal driver with gcc 4.0  what is the easiest way to get the older compiler??
[16:56] <slackytude> darpa homepage is always a fun read
[16:57] <thrice`> paul424: I'd just use the xorg-ati driver
[16:58] <i_is_cat> ati pissed me off so i just plucked the card and use the onboard via
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[16:59] <dive> slackytude, I wonder if we couldn't think up a joke project proposal and try and get funding :>
[16:59] <dive> that would be so f'ing funny
[16:59] <slackytude> you dont mess with the DARPA, man
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[16:59] <slackytude> they have robor
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[17:00] <slackytude> O_o
[17:00] <dive> lol
[17:00] <slackytude> they have robots -_-
[17:00] <paul424> thrice`: xorg-ati ???
[17:00] <dive> robocorp
[17:00] <slackytude> you make a joke about them and some days later a big austrian dude in black leather comes over for a chat
[17:01] <dive> austrian??
[17:01] <slackytude> Sarah Conner
[17:01] <dive> ah
[17:01] <paul424> thrice`: what is the xorg-ati ?
[17:01] <dive> before I was imaging some weirdo wearing leather shorts and braces, slapping his knees
[17:02] <nullboy> why you talking about me?
[17:02] <Fiyawerkin> anyone know what the cheapest 1gb flash drives you can get are
[17:02] <Fiyawerkin> looking to stock up on a few for my new car stereo
[17:02] <nullboy> fiyawerx: like 5 bucks
[17:02] <dive> rolf
[17:02] <Fiyawerkin> even like 1gb's would be nice
[17:03] <slackytude> Mcdonalds gives them away with every menu ^-^
[17:03] <nullboy> lol
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[17:03] <dive> slackytude, risky...
[17:03] <slackytude> how?
[17:03] <dive> if you gotta eat all that lard and crap to get a flash drive
[17:03] <dive> leave me out
[17:03] <slackytude> heh
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[17:04] <slackytude> dive, did you help uggi solve his xorg issue yesterday, btw?
[17:04] <slackytude> or was it ughi
[17:04] <dive> slackytude, I think he still had problems at the end of it
[17:04] <dive> he had to go, so didn't finish
[17:04] <slackytude> alrity
[17:05] <dive> fsking ati drivers... glad mine works with xorg ati driver
[17:05] <dive> or it did before the display fizzled out
[17:05] Action: slackytude uses radeon as well
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[17:05] <dive> lol
[17:05] <slackytude> dive, T42, no?
[17:06] <nullboy> mcdonalds is a pseudo food
[17:06] <dive> yeah I just got a new display on ebay coming from states
[17:06] Action: slackytude has T42 as well
[17:06] <dive> Ł45 and most of that is p n p
[17:06] <slackytude> eh
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[17:06] <dive> well new 'used'
[17:06] <slackytude> well, not too bad
[17:06] <i_is_cat> i used to use a t42 at work
[17:06] <i_is_cat> then they swapped it for a 460
[17:07] <i_is_cat> err t60
[17:07] <DeeeeP> any linux event soon in europe ?
[17:07] <dive> dunno it will take ages getting here and it hit and miss whther it will be any good
[17:07] <dive> DeeeeP, you in a lug?
[17:07] <slackytude> dive, well, good luck then ^-^
[17:07] <dive> thx
[17:08] <dive> DeeeeP, join a lug maybe - they usually know what's going on and where
[17:08] <DeeeeP> what is lug ?
[17:08] <i_is_cat> the lug in my area is like dead
[17:08] <Urchlay> Linux Users Group?
[17:08] <i_is_cat> by the time i even heard of it it was already dead
[17:08] <nullboy> my local lug claims Linux is a version of Unix....
[17:09] <Urchlay> either that, or the things on your wheels that the lugnuts attach to, to hold your tires in place...
[17:09] <nullboy> they fail.
[17:09] <i_is_cat> which sucks because its always neat to do linuxy stuff with other people in real life
[17:09] <DeeeeP> this is a lug ?
[17:09] Action: i_is_cat pokes acidchild 
[17:09] <dive> DeeeeP, no it's like a club that get together locally for meets
[17:09] <i_is_cat> nullboy, ya i wouldnt want to be a member of that one.. thats for sure
[17:09] <dive> or moots as they call them
[17:09] <DeeeeP> i see
[17:09] <Fiyawerkin> ?? sealed bronze flask
[17:09] <DeeeeP> i dont have lug in my island
[17:09] Action: Fiyawerkin facepalms, wrong chan
[17:10] <nullboy> i don't know a single person IRL who uses Linux
[17:10] Action: vastina is getting so pissed off looking for the offending MAC, and a static arp can't be set because i have an entire network of workers depending on it, guess i'll have to bump this into a night job
[17:10] <Urchlay> my local LUG (if it still exists) is centered around Ga. Tech. If you're an adult who doesn't have a college degree, you get no respect, no matter how many years experience you have...
[17:10] <DeeeeP> few ppl uses linux
[17:10] Action: vastina cringes
[17:10] <i_is_cat> i know a few people in real life who use linux
[17:10] <vastina> i know loads of them, gurus at that, but then again i'm in colorado, tonnes of development happened here
[17:11] <nullboy> lol
[17:11] <nullboy> i'm in California
[17:11] <nullboy> ...
[17:11] <i_is_cat> used to chill with acidchild, my uncle is huge on bsd and linux, and ive made a few converts who after several years are still plugging away
[17:11] <straterra> I'm in urmom
[17:11] <Urchlay> vastina: no way to set a static arp entry on just your workstation, without it being broadcast over the network?
[17:11] <nullboy> what's the point of doing that? there is still a network wide conflict...
[17:11] <vastina> nullboy: you're on the other end of, i couldn't imagine going to UC Berkeley and trying to run a penguin in their unix IT
[17:12] <Urchlay> the point of doing that, is so his workstation can reliably nmap the offending host
[17:12] <nullboy> ok but how is nmaping going to help?
[17:12] <nullboy> you still can't get the physical line from nmap
[17:12] <Urchlay> depends. If there's some service running  on the box that gives out some information (in a banner or whatever) as to who owns the host, then he can look for the owners in the building directory
[17:13] <nullboy> yeah it will look just like the other 174 windows boxes
[17:13] <vastina> Urchlay: oh i know the logic behind it and yes i can... just got finished eating birthday cake so i'm just getting back to the nmap part... i thought i had my host and it turned out to be not the host intended
[17:13] <Urchlay> he might get lucky, they might have set their domain or workgroup string to the name of their company
[17:13] <nullboy> just DoS that system
[17:14] <nullboy> screw it
[17:14] <Urchlay> or the windows SMB hostname might be set to the employee's name or something
[17:14] <nullboy> you'll know who's it is quickly
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[17:14] <vastina> haha, i'm about to Dos the host but then i'd take out the dhcp server at the same time
[17:14] <Urchlay> he's trying to do that (physically, by finding correct cable and unplug it)
[17:14] <nullboy> vastina: btw, what switches do you have?
[17:15] <vastina> nullboy: as in brands? or type?
[17:15] <nullboy> you have 22 8 port linksys switches don't you?
[17:15] <nullboy> lmao
[17:15] <slackytude> heh
[17:15] <vastina> pftaha
[17:15] <vastina> that's exactly what i have man
[17:15] <vastina> ;)
[17:15] <Urchlay> ouch
[17:15] <nullboy> lol
[17:15] <slackytude> lol
[17:15] <slackytude> thats not good
[17:16] <vastina> brb about to send out the arp hook
[17:16] <slackytude> suddenly I feel way better about our netgear stuff
[17:16] <vastina> PS: we use cisco
[17:16] <vastina> PSS: fuck IOS
[17:16] <slackytude> damn
[17:16] <nullboy> wtf dude
[17:16] <nullboy> you have cisco switches with IOS? why is this a problem?
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[17:17] <vastina> no, the IOS comment had nothign to do with the switches
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[17:17] <nullboy> what model switches?
[17:17] <nullboy> they might be managed....
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[17:17] <vastina> i came to a pre-existing setup man... i'm still learning the fucking web of network mess my predecessor made, and i'm under him so....
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[17:18] <nullboy> this is a perfect time to figure out what switches you have to deal with from now on out then
[17:18] <nullboy> this could solve your problem quickly too
[17:19] <slackytude> man, the guys on #windows-server have strange problems
[17:19] <slackytude> even rebooting wont help ^-^
[17:19] <i_is_cat> lmao
[17:19] <i_is_cat> im avoiding the windows channels lest i look like more of a troll
[17:19] <slackytude> -----
[17:20] <i_is_cat> i have a hardon for windows
[17:20] <i_is_cat> no wait hateon
[17:20] <i_is_cat> yet.. everywhere i look its windows this and windows that
[17:21] <nullboy> that surprises you?
[17:21] Action: i_is_cat gets back to reading someones opinions about how much facebook sucks
[17:21] <nullboy> look at the market shares
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[17:21] <i_is_cat> no surprise
[17:21] <i_is_cat> just annoyance
[17:21] <i_is_cat> like i was flipping channels earlier.. saw some show for a few seconds about some USAF thing..
[17:22] <i_is_cat> they had windows running on like 5 systems
[17:22] <i_is_cat> i just shook my head and kept going
[17:22] <straterra> Windows has its place
[17:22] <Urchlay> sure it does. I'm not sure military hardware is that place, though
[17:22] <nullboy> certainly does
[17:23] <i_is_cat> i agree with Urchlay
[17:23] <straterra> Urchlay: I don't see why not
[17:23] <Urchlay> OS crashes, then the plane crashes... whoops!
[17:23] <dive> depends on the specific use I would say
[17:23] <straterra> Yes..because no other OS on the planet crashes
[17:23] <nullboy> jets will us a RTOS, not windows or linux
[17:23] <nullboy> ....
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[17:23] <slackytude> straterra, did you solve your 2k3 issue=
[17:24] <straterra> No, and I'm not going to
[17:24] <slackytude> wait for 2k8?
[17:24] <straterra> It's a problem with how 2k3 handles memory in the kernel
[17:24] <Urchlay> other OSes crash... but closed-source OSes, you can't always find out why they crashed and fix them
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[17:24] <straterra> Urchlay: you can't always find and fix the problem in an open source OS either
[17:24] <i_is_cat> im sure that their windows boxes are probably locked down for specific purposes which would enable them to run a little more problem free than joe blows windows system where he's constantly downloading crap like joint cursors and weed themes
[17:24] <i_is_cat> but still..
[17:24] <nullboy> Urchlay: i'm trying to find this article about how these types of things are built. there was a whole write up about the Mars rovers' OS and what the did.
[17:25] <nullboy> one sec
[17:25] <Urchlay> maybe *I* can't always find out. But with open source, the information is there, it's just a matter of finding and understanding it
[17:25] <slackytude> straterra, Im pretty sure I saw 2k3 perform better,tho
[17:25] <slackytude> altho I couldnt quote you numbers
[17:26] <Urchlay> joint cursors and weed themes? :)
[17:26] <i_is_cat> ya...
[17:26] Action: i_is_cat points next door
[17:26] <slackytude> joint cursors, I was thinking database stuff
[17:26] <paul424> hey maybe someone has a precompiled ati driver in package for slackware 12.0
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[17:28] <i_is_cat> i like nmap its cool but its not showing me the neighbours torrent ports at all i thought they just werent downloading but i went over there and they're still up to it.. is there a way to make it show hidden and/or encrypted ports as well?
[17:28] <slackytude> encrypted ports?
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[17:29] <straterra> you dont need open ports to torrent
[17:29] <Urchlay> you do to seed, but not to download. Maybe your neighbors are leechers?
[17:29] <paul424> looks like all are ignoring me .......... anyway does the slackware has the debian packages installation allowance by defualt ?
[17:29] <dive> paul424, there is an ati driver included with a defaul slack install - just use 'ati' or 'radeon' in xorg.conf
[17:29] <i_is_cat> they were seeding like 10+ files
[17:29] <i_is_cat> the idiots dont even know wtf seeding means
[17:29] <straterra> paul424: err, what?
[17:30] <i_is_cat> i go do a speed test my upload is like 40k with a 9.8m dl speed
[17:30] <paul424> I mean to install rpm or deb package
[17:30] <i_is_cat> i unplug their cable try again i get 17m down and .5m up
[17:30] <slackytude> lol
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[17:31] <guest1234> Hi all,
[17:31] <guest1234> How to setting up ssh in Slackware ?
[17:31] <slackytude> O_o
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[17:32] <slackytude> set up ssh?
[17:32] <dive> edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /etc/rc.d/sshd start/stop/restart
[17:32] <paul424> dive: ok do I have to put any information in etc/X.org.conf ? like memory size or something I mean it is requierd ?
[17:32] <dive> paul424, not always necesary
[17:32] <paul424> ok
[17:32] <paul424> ok bye thanks to everyone
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[17:33] <guest1234> dive, is need make an key in client ?
[17:33] <dive> er wait, did he just say etc/X.org.conf??
[17:33] <dive> guest1234, you can use keys or not - up to you
[17:33] <slackytude> heh
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[17:45] <dartmouth> what was that app that kept a realtime dmesg running on your desktop background?
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[17:47] <dive> roottail?
[17:47] <dartmouth> yes, something like that; thank you.
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[17:48] <slackytude> thats pretty old
[17:48] <slackytude> probably better to use a regular term without window decorations,always on top
[17:48] <slackytude> or conky
[17:48] <dive> root-tail has some nice formatting options though
[17:49] <dive> but I'm not sure how it behaves with compositing
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[17:49] <slackytude> if it will work at all, yeah
[17:49] <UrchTest> actually this rhapsody IRC client is kinda OK
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[17:50] <higuita> slackytude: what is the problem of root-tail is old? it works and do the job well
[17:50] <dartmouth> slackboy: as long as I can do a right-alignment and have it running on my desktop, I don't really care.  an issue i remember running into though was that when dmesg got long, it would not scroll the text
[17:50] <Urchlay> bleah, it doesn't support "/quit myquitmessage"
[17:50] <dartmouth> so it would be appending lines to parts of the screen that were not visible
[17:51] <Urchlay> why not just run a sticky xconsole window or something?
[17:51] <slackytude> higuita, I had issues with it last time I tied it. I just used a term then
[17:51] <slackytude> Urchlay, yeah
[17:51] <Urchlay> heh, or let root-tail use the whole screen, but run compositing and make *all* windows transparent. See how long it takes before you get a  migraine :)
[17:52] <higuita> what problem you had with root-tail.. it works fine here
[17:53] <chance22> Using slackpkg upgrade-all gives an md5sum error when attempting to upgrade pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-2.tgz. Is this an oversight? Should I wait to upgrade it later?
[17:53] <dartmouth> ok just checking.  higuita can I see what command options you're using when you're calling root-tail?
[17:53] <dive> chance22, tried another mirror?
[17:54] <higuita>  /usr/X11R6/bin/root-tail -i 30 -g 1050x780+35+40  -shade -reverse -noinitial -font "-*-lucida console-medium-r-*-*-13-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" -f /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog
[17:54] <dartmouth> chance22: you can't download the packages with your blackberry :D
[17:54] <chance22> dive, not yet. I'll try osuosl.org.
[17:54] <chance22> dartmouth Thanks, I'll take that under consideration :P
[17:54] <higuita> many people dont like the reverse, try with and without it to see what you like more
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[17:55] <higuita> and of course, tune the font and the size
[17:55] <dartmouth> i was wanting the reverse
[17:56] <dartmouth> but how are you accounting for the permissions problems as most users don't have perms to access those files?
[17:56] <slackytude> higuita, cant remeber
[17:56] <Urchlay> heh. rhapsody's description says "The thing that separates it from the crowd is its intuitive menu driven user interface."
[17:56] <Urchlay> right, because having to press ctrl-P for "Help" is so intuitive..
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[17:56] <dive> who's intuition? the users' or the dev's?
[17:57] <dartmouth> higuita: ?
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[17:57] <Urchlay> to be fair, the Help menu option is always visible on screen, and the "p" at the end is highlighted
[17:57] <Urchlay> and ctrl-H is normally backspace in a terminal, so they didn't want to assign that...
[17:58] <dive> that reminds me got no backspace in terminal in current
[17:58] <dive> must sort it
[17:58] <dive> maybe some rogue config somewhere
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[18:01] <higuita> dartmouth: of course the user that is running the root-tail must have permissions to do that...
[18:01] <dartmouth> ok, so you're just running it as root and specifying the DISPLAY var?
[18:01] <higuita> i add chmod a+r /var/log/message /var/log/syslog
[18:02] <dartmouth> gotcha
[18:02] <higuita> but you can also add that user to the groups of each file
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[18:02] <higuita> no, not running as root
[18:02] <slackytude> or set root sticky bit on root tail :P
[18:02] <higuita> plain user
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[18:03] <higuita> that works also, but IMHO, world read for most logs isnt a big problem
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[18:03] <chance22> dive, I got the same md5sum error from osuosl.org as I did from my original (tds.net). Should be okay to just upgradepkg the file anyway?
[18:04] <dive> not really a good idea
[18:04] <eOliva> Hi, I'm reading TCP Vol1 (Stevens) and he says that the PUSH flag should not be set by the App, instead, it should be a good TCP implementation that determine when to set the Flag. How it works on Linux 2.6? The tcp implementation does the job?? Or the App?
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[18:05] <Urchlay> yeah, if I really had lots of users using this machine, I might want them to all be able to read the logs (especially if they were developers, they might actually be able to diagnose problems, take some of the work off the poor sysadm)
[18:05] <chance22> dive Okay, I'll wait a day I guess. Just wanted to make sure there weren't any problems if I tried to install another package, changelog.txt says there could be some problems.
[18:05] <slackytude> Urchlay, I'd a chgrp and add some users to that new group
[18:05] <dartmouth> higuita: yeah this is not working in xfce
[18:05] <dartmouth> ill look into it
[18:05] <slackytude> for the specific loga
[18:06] <Urchlay> eOliva: good question... I bet "man socket" and/or "man tcp" would be good starting points for finding the answer
[18:06] <dive> chance22, better ask alienBOB or rworkman about it - if there's a problem with pkgtools they should be told
[18:07] <eOliva> Urchlay, I searched in the tcp.c file in the kernel....but nothing yet....I'll take a look at the man pages too :)
[18:07] <chance22> dive, right, I thought so too. Just wanted to bring it up here in case someone else needed to know.
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[18:10] <usr13> How to get scroll wheel to work?
[18:10] <usr13> Any tips?
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[18:11] <acidchild> Today, I babysat 3 year old twins. They have a huge dry erase board hanging inbetween their beds. After they fell asleep I drew a very detailed and large drawing of a penis. When I went to erase it I realized it was in Sharpie. FML
[18:11] <acidchild> haha
[18:11] <Urchlay> bwahaha
[18:11] <usr13> xorg-server-1.4.2
[18:11] <usr13> kde 3.5.9
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[18:14] <alienBOB> chance22: we already know about the md5 bug in slackpkg and we have it fixed too (I think). PiterPunk will have to verify it though
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[18:15] <chance22> alienBOB, Thanks.
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[18:16] <dive> chance22, in that case you should be ok to download it manually and upgradepkg, then carry on with the slackpkg upgrades afterwards
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[18:17] <paul424> hmm I try to connect from console ,.. hope everything works hi all
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[18:17] <paul424> ehem hello
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[18:17] <dive> paul424, hi and welcome back
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[18:22] <chance22> dive, I'll do that, thanks. Then off to play more nethack, I guess.
[18:24] <paul424> hey  I have the precompiled ati catalyst drivers in rpm and i try to install it on slackware 12.0 but i get failed dependencies says /bin/bash /bin/sh does not exist .. but they exist
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[18:25] <vastina> i guess i need to go home and rest my head on this.... i did a arp -s <ip> <mac> , locked the mac in to nmap, but it's almost like it's a pseudo mac if that makes sense, very frustrating... but it's already bound to the DHCP server's address and i can't drop the DHCP right now
[18:25] <Pig_Pen> maybe the wrong version of bash?
[18:25] <vastina> i do want to say thanks to the two of you who tried to help though
[18:26] <paul424> maybe, Pig_Pen but what do you think of such installing from non native packages ?
[18:26] <alienBOB> Do not use the RPM on Slackware paul424
[18:27] <Pig_Pen> not a good idea when it comes to drivers like that
[18:27] <alienBOB> And if you definitely want to install an rpm use the command "rpm --no-deps"
[18:27] <paul424> hmm so how should I install the catalyst drivers ........ I think it is somethign with binary incopability
[18:28] <usr13> I think xorg may be ignorning my xorg file.  If so, how can I tell it to use it again?
[18:28] <Pig_Pen> you could try it again with --no-deps like alienBOB says, but no guarentees it will work, that rpm was not built specifically for slackware so it may not work
[18:29] <vastina> i've built catalyst drivers from source on slack endless amounts of times, i'd like to iterate that you should NOT use an RPM
[18:29] <fiyawerx> X -config /path/to/file?
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[18:29] <paul424> vastina : ok I dropped that idea ,,,
[18:29] <vastina> paul424: building from source?
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[18:30] <alienBOB> paul424: get the .run file from ATI and build the kernel module from source. The RPM will not work for Slackware
[18:31] <Pig_Pen> the only time i even consider installing rpms is with something trivial that i know wont harm my system, like openoffice, or some dumb game or app
[18:31] <vastina> the only time i consider installing rpms is when i feel like obliterating my deps and hating life until the cleanup
[18:32] <vastina> cor!
[18:32] Action: vastina is still pissed off about the ip conflict
[18:32] <usr13> well I may be wrong in my assumption that xorg is ignoring xorg.conf
[18:32] <usr13> repz: (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"  (guess I was wrong)....?
[18:32] <usr13> I see ^^ in the log file
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[18:33] <vastina> well hey everyone, have a good one, might be back later tonight if i feel like hopping on
[18:33] <usr13> Does that mean anything?
[18:33] <Pig_Pen> usr13: unless you did something really wierd to your system, xorg is pretty much standard across most all distros and will read /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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[18:34] <usr13> Pig_Pen: Just trying to get  mouse wheel to work... Just now realizing that it might be something in KDE settings?
[18:34] <usr13> Could that be?
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[18:35] <Pig_Pen> just a moment usr13 let me pastebin something for you
[18:35] <paul424>  I get fglrx: unknown symbol pci_disable_msi
[18:36] <Pig_Pen> http://pastebin.com/d68cf0c2e  this is the mouse section that makes my logitec optical wheel mouse work
[18:36] <usr13> Pig_Pen: Thanks will look at it.
[18:37] <Pig_Pen> ah, someone else just the other day was in here trying to get an ati driver working, paul424 that has to do with the way your kernel was built, i think you need to rebuild the kernel and enable msi
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[18:37] <paul424> ohhh god .......
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[18:37] <alienBOB> paul424: if you want to build the fglrx driver from ATI on a Slackware 12.2 kernel you'll have to recompile that kernel and enable PCI_MSI
[18:38] <paul424> yeap but i have slackware 12.0
[18:38] <alienBOB> Well even there.
[18:38] <Pig_Pen> CONFIG_PCI_MSI=y
[18:38] <paul424> ok
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[18:38] <Pig_Pen> or M
[18:38] <usr13> brb
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[18:39] <alienBOB> It's the way of the proprietary drivers. Every so often they break
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[18:40] <Pig_Pen> msi = message signal interupt ?
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[18:41] <Pig_Pen> msi = my secret ingredients :D
[18:41] <Urchlay> arrgh.  mplayer manpage is huge... anyone know off the top of their heads how to get it to dump the audio stream (-dumpaudio), but *fast*? (right now it works but takes as long to dump as it would to watch the file)
[18:41] <dive> Urchlay, it does it in realtime, that's why
[18:42] <Urchlay> yeah, I know, and I knew at one time how to make it do it as fast as possible
[18:42] <dive> try mencoder perhaps, or ffmpeg should do it
[18:42] <Pig_Pen> not like high speed dup with those dual cassette tapes
[18:42] <dive> what's the source file?
[18:42] <Urchlay> one of youtube's silly FLV files
[18:42] <Urchlay> it's a music video and I just want the music as an audio file
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[18:43] <tank-man> -dumpaudio shouldnt be in realtime, should be fast
[18:43] <Pig_Pen> google is losing millions of dollars a day with youtube
[18:43] <Urchlay> well it's  not fast
[18:43] <dive> mencoder should do it
[18:43] <Pig_Pen> a dollar per video viewed i think is what they said
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[18:44] <Urchlay> mencoder wants to create an .avi file. I can figure it out again, just hoping someone here would go "oh, yeah, it's the -blahblah option"
[18:44] <tank-man> it is -dumpaudio option
[18:44] <Urchlay> -dumpaudio  is taking  forever
[18:45] <tank-man> then its only doing that for you
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[18:45] <Urchlay> ok, so maybe mplayer hates the source file (I didn't actually try to play it)
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[18:45] <tank-man> i just tried on a flv from youtube, 2 seconds
[18:46] <paul424> what is the best web broweser for terminal lynx ? I just screwed every time i try to use it .........
[18:46] <dive> paul424, elinks by far
[18:46] <alienBOB> Try links
[18:46] <Urchlay> and I just tried playing the flv I just downloaded, and mplayer goes nuts and can't really play it. Problem explained.
[18:46] <Pig_Pen> link -g
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[18:47] <dive> links -g is too damn slow to be useful
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[18:47] <Pig_Pen> Urchlay: could be just a corrupted file
[18:47] <dive> elinks is the best text browser and I'm ready to bash heads with my opinion pole for any that disagree
[18:48] <dive> :>
[18:48] <Pig_Pen> i am slow too so links -g works for me :D
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[18:48] <dive> Urchlay, got a link to this movie?
[18:48] <paul424> err ,,,, does the slackware contains the kjernel sources by defualt ?
[18:48] <Urchlay> yeah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0SPttqD2JE
[18:49] <Urchlay> (plays fine in firefox BTW)
[18:49] <Urchlay> re-downloading it now, maybe youtube-dl just had a hiccup or something
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[18:49] <tank-man> yea, maybe a 2 got in with the 1's and 0's ;)
[18:49] <Pig_Pen> paul424: yes, if you installed them, look in /usr/src
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[18:50] <Urchlay> yeah, or some of the 1's are really lowercase l's :)
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[18:50] <dive> 12mbs so dunno
[18:50] <Urchlay> (my grandma's old typewriter didn't even have a key for the numeral 1, she just typed lowercase l instead)
[18:51] <Urchlay> I mean, it was designed that way, the key wasn't broken off or anything
[18:52] <usr13> Urchlay: Oh yes, early typewriters were like that.
[18:52] <usr13> some were anyway.
[18:52] <paul424> sorry where should I take my slackare sources from ? /checks at cd ......./
[18:53] <tank-man> i used youtube-dl to get the file you linked to and used mplayer -dumpaudio
[18:53] <usr13> paul424: Depends on what you mean by default.
[18:53] <tank-man> Urchlay, it took me 0.158s to dumpaudio
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[18:53] <paul424> err I made the largest installation possible at the installator prompt
[18:54] <Urchlay> tank-man: right, I think my problem might be I'm using "youtube-dl -b" (supposed to be "best quality"), mplayer doesn't want to play the resulting flv file
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[18:55] <Pig_Pen> Urchlay: open that youtube link with your browser, and after it is fully downloaded in your browser look in /tmp
[18:55] <Urchlay> right
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[18:55] <Urchlay> and mplayer still won't play it correctly
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[18:55] <Urchlay> note: I'm using a fairly old  version of mplayer
[18:55] <Pig_Pen> Urchlay: do you have mplayer's essential codecs package installed?
[18:55] <Urchlay> yes
[18:56] <Pig_Pen> ah old version, i am using a new snapshot
[18:56] <Urchlay> but mplayer's using its built-in ffmpeg stuff for FLV files
[18:56] <Pig_Pen> Urchlay: get the latest snapshot and build it
[18:56] <Urchlay> yeah, yeah
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[18:57] <Urchlay> or leave off the -b option, which would be a lot quicker  :)
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[18:57] <Pig_Pen> and if it still dont work?
[18:57] <Urchlay> it'll work
[18:57] <usr13> paul424: /slackware/d
[18:57] <Urchlay> this old version of mplayer does play youtube's standard-quality FLV files just fine
[18:58] <Urchlay> (just now was the first time I ever even noticed that the "best quality" option existed)
[18:59] <Urchlay> yep, it worked. -dumpaudio ran in under a second.
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[19:01] <Pig_Pen> if Texas secedes from the union i might move to Texas, its only 30 miles to cross the state line
[19:01] <Urchlay> so a new snapshot of mplayer would only be needed if (a) youtube's higher-quality files actually do have better audio (doubtful),  and (b) I actually care about better audio (I don't)
[19:02] <Pig_Pen> yeah, free vids from youtube has both crappy audio & video, google is hemmoraging money from youtube so i dont think the quality of videos is going to get better anytime soon
[19:02] <paul424> usr13: hmm I didn't found there are only some kernel header archive
[19:02] <Urchlay> the audio quality's good enough for my crappy speakers and crappy ears :(
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[19:03] <Pig_Pen> yeah, i watch stuff on youtube everyday, its good enough for free, i surely would not pay for that
[19:03] <paul424> hmm how do i check my current kernel version
[19:03] <Urchlay> very true
[19:03] <Pig_Pen> uname -a
[19:03] <dive> paul424, uname -r
[19:04] <dartmouth> anyone know how to make root-tail align to the right?
[19:05] <agentc0re|work> the moment youtube charges is the moment it dies.  partners are probably making a lot less.
[19:05] <Urchlay> what, like right justification? or like only use a narrow strip of the screen?
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[19:05] <agentc0re|work> narrow strip of the screen.
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[19:06] <Urchlay> does it accept a -geometry option maybe?
[19:06] <agentc0re|work> I think i read that they are losing 1.5M a day.
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[19:06] <steerpike> for some reason my usb drive isn't being detected in dmesg
[19:06] <Urchlay> agentc0re|work: you mean, they had the $1.5 million at the beginning of the day, and they don't any more at the end? Or is that "potential revenue" being lost?
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[19:07] <steerpike> this has happened before and it worked again after i rebooted, but i would like to know how to fix it
[19:07] <dartmouth> it takes a -g but its still left-align by fefault
[19:07] <agentc0re|work> Urchlay: http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/04/google-losing-as-much-as-165-m.html
[19:07] <steerpike> what module do i modprobe for usb flash drives to work?
[19:07] <Urchlay> dartmouth: -g 300x300-300+0   <--- try  something like that
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[19:08] <Urchlay> agentc0re|work: the article doesn't really answer my question though
[19:09] <agentc0re|work> Urchlay: http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=715&doc_id=175123&
[19:09] <Urchlay> dartmouth: or roottail might take its geometry size in character units instead of pixels (like xterm does)
[19:09] <dartmouth> it takes the *x*+x+x
[19:09] <Urchlay> agentc0re|work: ah, so they're really spending that money. Damn.
[19:10] <steerpike> FATAL: Module usbcore not found.
[19:10] <steerpike> wth
[19:10] <agentc0re|work> Urchlay: that link was in the first link i gave you.
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[19:10] <Urchlay> steerpike: does USB still work?  Are you running the -huge kernel instead  of the -generic one?
[19:10] <steerpike> -huge
[19:11] <steerpike> why would it just stop working?
[19:11] <Urchlay> the -huge kernel will spit out lots of "module not found" errors, when in fact the module's not even needed (they're already built into the kernel, which is why it's considered huge)
[19:11] <steerpike> but why isn't my flash drive being recognized in dmesg?
[19:11] <Urchlay> the solution is, you're supposed to be  running -generic kernel for normal use (the -huge is for troubleshooting/emergencies)
[19:12] <steerpike> oh
[19:12] <Urchlay> I dunno anything bout your flash drive... even with -huge, it should show up. Try doing "fdisk -l" as root, it should list all  partitions on all drives
[19:12] <steerpike> but i still don't understand why it would stop working
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[19:13] <steerpike> nothing, except drive
[19:14] <steerpike> maybe it's udev?
[19:14] <Urchlay> I don't know why it'd stop working either
[19:14] <Urchlay> but if you were running -generic, you could remove and re-modprobe the USB modules, which might fix it
[19:14] <dive> dmesg ought to show something without udev
[19:14] <Urchlay> (the fix might be  temporary though)
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[19:15] <steerpike> ugh, i'm going to have to reboot
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[19:17] Action: Urchlay just noticed his slamd64 box is running the slamd64 -huge kernel
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[19:19] <Urchlay> hm. And my laptop for some reason is not running  at all, though I don't remember shutting it down (and it's plugged into the wall)
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[19:25] <paul424> ok just wanna ask a few question about the config of the kernel
[19:25] <paul424> should I disable the ISA if i don't have any ISA cards ?
[19:25] <Urchlay> I'm wrong. The laptop was running, but  its wireless card shat the bed
[19:25] <Urchlay> paul424: no
[19:26] <paul424> also the Pci express ....and PCi express hotplug ?
[19:26] <paul424> why not ?
[19:26] <Urchlay> at least, unless you're 100% sure your motherboard doesn't internally use the an ISA bus for anything
[19:27] <Urchlay> (if you have and use PS/2 keyboard/mouse ports, IIRC you still  need ISA in the kernel. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though)
[19:27] <paul424> hmm yeah .... ok
[19:28] <Urchlay> feel free to try it and see if everything works OK though, that's what it's all about
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[19:28] <Urchlay> my laptop says: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input1
[19:29] <Urchlay> pretty sure that's an internal ISA bus
[19:29] <Urchlay> (but my laptop is also 5 years old now, new ones might not work the same way)
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[19:30] <paul424> anyway what is the diffrence between the kernel module and the dynamic library ........ ? apart from permissions ... ??
[19:31] <tbx> could someone please help me get a leg up on the pile with sed? I am failing with the command, and need a boost: $ sed -e 's/line\ of\ text/some\ other\ string' file [fails with "sed: -e expression #1, char 88: unterminated `s' command"]
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[19:32] <UrchLap> bleah
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[19:33] <Urchlay> tbx: add a / after the substitution
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[19:33] <Urchlay> like sed -e 's/blah blah/bleah bleah/'   <--- notice the / before the last '
[19:33] <tbx> Urchlay: got it.
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[19:34] <Urchlay> also you don't need the \ in front of each space, inside 'single-quotes'
[19:35] <tbx> Urchlay: thank you.
[19:36] <macavity> you can use any delimiter
[19:36] <macavity> sed s$fu$bar$
[19:37] <macavity> or sed sQhonkyQdoryQ
[19:37] <tbx> getting this might not be trivial, how do I get it to edit in place, instead of creating a new file?
[19:38] <tbx> I used the -i switch, and it still created filee from file
[19:38] <Urchlay> sed -e 's/whatever//' -i filename
[19:38] <Necos> you can use < >
[19:38] <Urchlay> eh?  -i works fine for me... can you run 'sed --version' and paste the output?
[19:39] <tbx> Urchlay: it worked when I put the -i right before the filename, instead of -ie
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[19:40] <tbx> Will the placement of -s similarly matter?
[19:41] <Urchlay> I might know, if I could remember what -s even does :)
[19:42] <tbx> consider files as separate rather than as a single continuous long stream.
[19:42] <Urchlay> yeah, I see that in the manual, but I can't remember what effect that actually has :(
[19:42] <tbx> What I am trying to do here is, perhaps obviously, edit a string in multiple files.
[19:43] <Urchlay> so you want something like... sed -e 's/foo/bar/' -s -i *.txt
[19:44] <Urchlay> actually tested that, it worked
[19:45] <Urchlay> the reason "-ie" didn't work, is also in the man page: it took the "e" as the back file extension!
[19:45] <Urchlay> "-i -e" would work as you want
[19:45] <tbx> Urchlay: I have it working now. Thank you very much.
[19:46] <tbx> Exactly as you said.
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[19:48] <Urchlay> rockin'
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[19:58] <firebird619> Everytime I try to print a pdf file, it cuts off the bottom of the page. I've tried kpdf, xpdf, epdfview, etc. and they all do the same thing. Acroread is the only one that doesn't do that, but it has a different issue, when it gets to the 2nd and sometimes 3rd page, the printing just quits.
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[20:00] <firebird619> Is there a setting or something I could change so it doesn't cut the bottom of the page off?
[20:01] <Urchlay> possibly it think you're using A4 paper, but you're really using US letter size?
[20:02] <firebird619> Anything's possible. I am using letter size and have the printer set for Letter, is there someplace else I could check to see if it's trying to print on A4?
[20:02] <Urchlay> well, inside the PDF app
[20:03] <Urchlay> also the PDF itself might be A4-sized, in which case the PDF app would have to squish it a little (not sure what this option might be called)
[20:05] <firebird619> I was just looking in kpdf, I know what setting you mean, acroread has that, maybe that's why it works with that, I don't see that in kpdf though.
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[20:05] <Old_Fogie> hello all :)
[20:05] <firebird619> Hi Old_Fogie. How are you?
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[20:06] <Old_Fogie> good thanks and you ?
[20:06] <thrice`> looks epdfview has a papersize option under print, try that?
[20:07] Action: Urchlay hasn't printed anything in a couple of years
[20:07] <firebird619> thrice`: I did, it still cuts the bottom off. In kpdf, you can set margins, would that help or would it just cut of even more?
[20:07] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: I'm doing great. Thank you.
[20:09] <Urchlay> Olde_Foagie
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[20:11] <Pig_Pen> http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3873567/10559053 three headed frog
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[20:19] <Pig_Pen> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/16/our-missing-chromoso.html those of you that are interested in evolution will like this!
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[20:26] <battlemidget> .
[20:26] <Old_Fogie> reading noobfarm, it appears Mr. V was here today.  any good news?
[20:30] <Pig_Pen> i missed that, i wonder what all Pat talked about?
[20:32] <ananke> the topic mentions public logs, but no url. they'd probably have what he said
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[20:33] <firebird619> ananke: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs. I was looking around there now. Haven't found anything yet though. :)
[20:35] <agentc0re> LOL that's great.
[20:35] <agentc0re> I have a 4 character scrip that does that already.  hahaha
[20:36] <agentc0re> Pig_Pen: That's a very interesting article.  Pretty nifity.
[20:37] <agentc0re> s/nifity/nifty
[20:37] <Pig_Pen> yeah, i i knew for years that scientists knew that our dna is about 98% the same as chimpanzees and that we are just another member of the great ape family
[20:38] <Urchlay> yes, we're monkeys
[20:38] Action: Urchlay takes a dump and flings it at Pig_Pen 
[20:38] <Pig_Pen> very clever apes
[20:38] <Pig_Pen> lol!
[20:39] <Old_Fogie> Monkeys have a fascination for playing with themselves in public.  That % may very well be true.
[20:39] <Pig_Pen> life is like an ape slinging candy and feces, you just have to know when to duck and when to catch - author unknown
[20:39] <Urchlay> I watched a few of those  "apes in the wild" nature specials when I was in high school, the next day watching the kids at school, it was like a re-run of the show
[20:40] <Urchlay> (including the thing where 2 groups of gorillas start screeching at each  other, trying to intimidate the others)
[20:40] <Old_Fogie> When I was in Norway, I stopped and saw their monkeys, laughed my backside off , the "greetings" and "specialties" they had for their visitors, ROFL.
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[20:44] <vastina> hello again slackers
[20:44] <vastina> :)
[20:44] <agentc0re> Wow, with FF3 open and then look how much mem frees up when i close it.  http://pastebin.com/d6685a4ae
[20:45] <vastina> FF3?
[20:45] <vastina> firefox?
[20:45] <agentc0re> vastina: Yes.
[20:45] <Urchlay> hm. Anyone know of an easy way to look at a binary compiled by gcc for x86 and tell whether it was build with -march=i486 (or i686, or whatever)?
[20:45] <vastina> yep nvm
[20:47] <Urchlay> (I know if it were -mcpu=i686,  it wouldn't run on an actual 486, but  not so with -march=i686, right?)
[20:47] <agentc0re> i only have 2windows with 32Tabs open.  Wouldn't think i'd go that crazy.  After the reopen, it only consumes about 300Mb off the bat.
[20:47] <vastina> Urchlay: not off the top of my head man
[20:47] <vastina> agentc0re: that all your running? shit
[20:47] <vastina> haha
[20:47] <Old_Fogie> what's the best way to launch an app from an xterm, but then allow the term to be free up for other things while letting that gui app run?
[20:48] <agentc0re> FF, Pidgin, ktorrent, terminal, thunderbird.
[20:48] <vastina> fuck.... now i gotta go pick up the girl... at least i got my smoke time in...
[20:48] <Urchlay> vastina: yeah... I could disassemble it, grep for instructions not present on the 486, but I really don't care enough  :)
[20:48] <agentc0re> Old_Fogie: app &
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[20:48] <vastina> agentc0re: sound like a windows user already buddy ;)
[20:48] <kitche> Old_Fogie: put & after the command
[20:48] <pi31415> I am using slackware 12.2 and kde 3.5.  How do I make a keyboard shortcut to start an X program?
[20:48] <Old_Fogie> hmmm, doesnt seem to work for this
[20:48] <dive> surely you jest
[20:48] <Urchlay> vastina: save a cig for after you're done with the girl...
[20:48] <dive> yeah and clean the knives off first
[20:48] <vastina> Urchlay: haha cheers mate, see you all in about an hour or so
[20:49] <Urchlay> adios
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[20:49] <dive> Old_Fogie, I think I've come across one or two apps that refuse to background with &
[20:50] <Old_Fogie> agentc0re, it gives me back the term, but if I close the term it's gone
[20:50] <Old_Fogie> eg closes
[20:50] <dive> forget which though
[20:50] <dive> Old_Fogie, try it in the run dialog
[20:51] <dive> that will tie it to vt1 or whichever one you started x in
[20:51] <Old_Fogie> yea was trying to avoid having to have xfrun4/xfce on board on this one box, it's small hd, so running icewm on
[20:51] <Old_Fogie> I'll make a menu entry then
[20:52] <agentc0re> Old_Fogie: Ya, it will do that but at least it gives back the term :P
[20:53] <thrice`> Old_Fogie: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bashrun/  ?
[20:53] <thrice`> :)
[20:53] <Old_Fogie> thrice`, ah I'll check it out thanks
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[20:58] <Pig_Pen> Old_Fogie: there is a little stand=alone run app like xfrun4 called quickrun, it is gtk-1 based though so it is ugly (but it is super small and works good)
[20:59] <Old_Fogie> Pig_Pen, ugly as emacs?
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[20:59] <Pig_Pen> ugly as in gnome-1.4 sort of, you know that old gtk-1 kind of ugly
[20:59] <Old_Fogie> haha, yea
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[21:00] <Pig_Pen> bashrun sounds good, i am going to give that a spin
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[21:00] <chopp> Old_Fogie: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1493 :)
[21:00] <Old_Fogie> chopp, haha :)
[21:00] <Pig_Pen> http://freshmeat.net/projects/quickrun/
[21:01] <PiterPunk> chance22: Probably i´ll release a new beta with the fix today
[21:01] <Pig_Pen> quickrun does keep a history so you can access frequently used commands
[21:01] <Old_Fogie> Pig_Pen, ah cool I check that out too.
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[21:08] <macavity> what partition type does NTFS disks need to have for winslows to actually see it?!?
[21:08] <macavity> i made it with mkntfs and i tried both type 86 and 87, but windows just say "filesystem: RAW"
[21:09] Action: macavity has 0% M$ Windows clue
[21:09] <NaCl> macavity: Make it in windows. :P
[21:09] <macavity> NaCl: too late..
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[21:10] <macavity> NaCl: as in, i have a shitload of data on it now, and i have no extra room
[21:10] <NaCl> ah
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[21:10] <macavity> NaCl: ... i just never tried plugging it into a windows machine untill now
[21:11] <macavity> it was actually still set to type 83
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[21:15] <macavity> ok, 07
[21:16] <Pig_Pen> before i abandoned windows completely i noticed windows would mostly choke and puke on any filesystem that was not created by a windows system, and even sometimes offer to trash your Linux partitions if you did not tell it not to sometimes
[21:17] <Pig_Pen> windows is evil, it does not play nicely with others
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[21:17] <Pig_Pen> thats why i abandoned it
[21:17] <Old_Fogie> very true
[21:17] <Urchlay> it also seems to encourage developers not to play nicely with others
[21:18] <Urchlay> currently messing with a binary-only game originally developed on windows, ported to linux
[21:18] <Old_Fogie> "game" <----reminds me I need to d/l the new nexuiz
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[21:18] <Urchlay> it looks in the current dir for its data files, and expects to write high score data there, too
[21:19] <Old_Fogie> Urchlay, yeah that's ugly
[21:19] <Urchlay> so I make a wrapper script, create a ~/.blah dir with symlinks to the data files... easy enough
[21:19] <Pig_Pen> you have to run it from ~/ then
[21:19] <Urchlay> the damn thing opens the data files (levels, sounds,  etc) in  read/write mode! even though it never writes to them!
[21:20] <Urchlay> so that means the ~/.gamename has to have user-writable *copies* of 2 megs of  game data files :(
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[21:21] <Mean_Admin_> you guys know stuff like the SheevaPlug ?
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[21:22] <macavity> damn.. USB stuff suuuuks :P
[21:22] <Pig_Pen> SheevaPlug? is that a Hindu god?
[21:22] <Mean_Admin_> Pig_Pen: amongst other things.
[21:22] <Old_Fogie> wow, this dev branch version of inkscape is nice!
[21:22] <macavity> Old_Fogie: good :-)
[21:22] <Old_Fogie> hey macavity :)
[21:22] <Old_Fogie> yeah this app is very impressive
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[21:23] <tdos> hey slackers
[21:23] <Mean_Admin_> Old_Fogie: how's inkscape vs paint.net ?
[21:23] <Old_Fogie> I had to go the dev/daily branch of inkscape, something in my poppler,cairo/glib2/ghostscript/pango/pixman or gtk2 upgrade broke me being able to build 0.46 of inkscape, ahahah go figure :)
[21:23] <Old_Fogie> I guess when you change core libs...you get to keep all the pieces hahah
[21:24] <Old_Fogie> Mean_Admin_, I never used paint.net  .. it's .net cancer :)
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[21:24] <tdos> have any of you tried slamd64
[21:24] <agentc0re> tdos: Thats what i use.
[21:24] <Urchlay> tdos: running it right now
[21:24] <Old_Fogie> I think "fred" has :)
[21:24] <tdos> i installed it but im scared
[21:24] <Mean_Admin_> Old_Fogie: actually, it's a pretty good app.... when you don't have time to open and screw around in photoshop or gimp
[21:25] <Mean_Admin_> Old_Fogie: how's inkscape vs gimp ?
[21:25] <agentc0re> Old_Fogie: What, really?  I heard he's using bluewhite64 instead.
[21:25] <tdos> i use my comp ALOT and its not bad - should i take the plunge
[21:25] <Old_Fogie> Mean_Admin_, I don't find them to be competitive really, I find that one supplements the other to be honest.
[21:25] <Old_Fogie> agentc0re, oh yea that's right, I forgot that :)
[21:25] <Urchlay> tdos: go for it
[21:25] <Mean_Admin_> Old_Fogie: really.. so inkscape has stuff gimp does not ?
[21:26] <Old_Fogie> Mean_Admin_, I find yes
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[21:26] <Mean_Admin_> Old_Fogie: interested
[21:26] <Mean_Admin_> interesting*
[21:26] <tdos> what about the lib complication
[21:26] <Old_Fogie> Mean_Admin_, they have both available for windows too, so that's nice
[21:27] <Old_Fogie> tdos, it's multilib, so you shouldnt have a complication
[21:27] <Old_Fogie> ...from what I've read I never used it
[21:27] <tdos> i think its finding the time - ifeel like my install isa labour of love and dooing it again seems long
[21:27] <tdos> i've been down the pub
[21:28] <Urchlay> well, multilib adds a couple complications of its own
[21:28] <agentc0re> tdos: It has backwards compatibility.
[21:28] <Mean_Admin_> Old_Fogie: so why is it special ? because of vector handling ?
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[21:29] <Urchlay> specifically, if you build SlackBuilds originally written for plain Slackware, you'll end up with 64-bit libraries installed in /usr/lib (but should be /usr/lib64!)
[21:29] <yosii> isn't bluewhite a dishonest knockoff of slamd?
[21:29] <Urchlay> bluewhite is a pure 64-bit (non-multilib) recompile. I dunno if it's any good or not, never used it
[21:29] <Old_Fogie> Mean_Admin_, yes gimp is not as good at vectors graph as ink for sure
[21:30] <tdos> i think i wanna know if its that much better - my microsoft buddies think its no big wow
[21:30] <yosii> as far as the slackbuilds, just edit them
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[21:30] <Urchlay> yosii: sure. Just letting him know he'll *need* to edit them, is all
[21:30] <yosii> i like slamd, personally...
[21:30] <vastina> alright, time to load bowl number 2
[21:30] <vastina> :)
[21:30] <Old_Fogie> Mean_Admin_, plus they both have some very nice cli tools as well for batching.
[21:31] <Mean_Admin_> Old_Fogie: I'll give inkscape a roll then
[21:31] <Old_Fogie> yeah I like it, it's real good
[21:31] <yosii> Urchlay: ah...yeah, it's a good idea to read anything 3rd party that you're about to run on your system
[21:32] <Old_Fogie> anyone here use zenwalk ? there's this app that does Slackware & zen depends http://freshmeat.net/projects/depfinder#release_297933 was wondering how good that depfinder is.
[21:32] <tdos> rosii with slackbuilds i can specify architecture - but i find it buggy sometimes, especially with unmaintained software - could it be the same with 64bit?
[21:32] <tdos> vestine bowl of w3hat?
[21:33] <Mean_Admin_> omg I hate Hell's Kitchen so much
[21:33] <NaCl> Old_Fogie: reminds me of swaret
[21:33] <macavity> Mean_Admin_: that's because you have never been in mine ;-)
[21:33] <vastina> tdos: this one is skywalker
[21:33] <tdos> aww zenwalk takes me back
[21:33] <Mean_Admin_> macavity: no no I haven't... but it can't be as bad as the show
[21:33] <Old_Fogie> NaCl, oh yea?  I started using slack around the time swaret stopped support so never used it
[21:33] <yosii> tdos: all a slackbuild is is a script that sets build parameters, builds, then packages for installed file tracking
[21:33] <NaCl> Old_Fogie: swaret also uses ldd
[21:34] <Urchlay> tdos: yes. Many, many slackbuild authors copy/paste the 'elif [ "$ARCH" = "x86_64" ]' stuff into their scripts without ever actually testing  it on a 64-bit system
[21:34] <tdos> cool
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[21:34] <tdos> well not really
[21:34] <yosii> tdos: the bugs can come from 1. the script writer's screwup, or 2. the package itself
[21:34] <vastina> tdos: it's a really good cereal
[21:34] <NaCl> Also, some apps were never designed to be used on a 64-bit system
[21:34] <Urchlay> tdos: just because a script has the x86_64 stuff like that, does not mean you should expect it to actually work
[21:34] <tdos> yum
[21:34] <NaCl> e.g. zsnes
[21:34] <Old_Fogie> NaCl, Yea.  I presently use required builder, or a hackish script I wrote to be like debian using OBJDUMP, it's ok, but I'm always on look out for something better
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[21:35] <CHCOOH> I think it's high time for molecule nick time
[21:35] <Urchlay> yeah, zsnes has embedded 32-bit assembly code, no sane way to do a native 64-bit build of it
[21:35] <yosii> Urchlay: yeah, it shouldn't be expected to work unless it was tested
[21:35] <tdos> im used to installiing on x86
[21:35] <Urchlay> but if you build zsnes or whatever on a 32-bit Slackware box (or in a 32-bit chroot environment), the resulting 32-bit binary will run just fine on slamd64
[21:35] Action: vastina loves ports on *bsd
[21:36] <NaCl> Old_Fogie: things like python make this stuff hard.  I mean, there is no real way to tell what contains what without doing a deep file search
[21:36] <yosii> Urchlay: 32 bit chroot? any resources on that?
[21:36] <Urchlay> BSD ports/pkgsrc is nice. I hate how freebsd installs ports stuff to /usr/local though (would prefer /usr/local to be for non-ports stuff)
[21:36] <Old_Fogie> NaCl, yeah agreed, or bash scripts too, yup.  But they're good little tools, so you get yourself a nice list, and keep it in your slackbuild-$APPNAME directory
[21:36] <Urchlay> yosii: well, I could tell you how I set mine up
[21:37] <yosii> Urchlay: that'd be helpful
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[21:37] <NaCl> Old_Fogie: good point.  I also RTFM for that. :P
[21:37] <yosii> Urchlay: i'd like zsnes working on slamd
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[21:37] <yosii> Urchlay: and i don't care if it's a 32 bit version
[21:37] <NaCl> yosii: zsnes *must* be 32-bits.  you don't get a choice. :P
[21:37] <Old_Fogie> NaCl, I think I'd have a heart failure if I saw a manual that listed the depedns :)
[21:37] <Urchlay> yosii: get 32-bit slackware CD, create chroot directory (I used /export/chroot32)
[21:37] <vastina> Urchlay: when it comes to bsd... i'm extremely cli-oriented, but when it comes to gui, i'd rather be on my slack, far more robust exotic hardware support
[21:38] <yosii> NaCl: you don't say...
[21:38] <NaCl> yosii: parts of it were written in x86 assembly
[21:38] <yosii> NaCl: i was being sarcastic
[21:39] Action: NaCl can't tell sarcasm from text too well. :P
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[21:39] <vastina> my point being that ports is very easy on openbsd, searches deps, installs, makes clean, done.
[21:39] <Urchlay> yosii: then something like 'ROOT=/export/chroot32 installpkg /mnt/cdrom/slackware/{a,d,l,n,x}/*.tgz' (not sure which all packages I installed that way)
[21:39] <thumbs> it helps if you've got british origins.
[21:39] <NaCl> Urchlay: couldn't you just use -m32 ?
[21:39] <yosii> Urchlay: ok...
[21:40] <Urchlay> yosii: then when you want to do stuff in the chroot environment, run this script: http://pastie.org/449380
[21:40] <Old_Fogie> vastina, so long as you routinely update bsd (freebsd/pcbsd here) you're ok.  if you wait 6 months and think you'll have a good box after upgrades...errr  it's a gamble.  Tho admittedly, I'm no bsd pro.
[21:41] <NaCl> Old_Fogie: lol.  Unless someone got bored enough to build *every* package from SBo and indexed *every* file in every package, then yeah.  It's going to be hard
[21:41] <Urchlay> NaCl: and yes, -m32 would probably work, excepting that slamd64 doesn't have a 32-bit-compatible "sdl-config", so the build keeps trying to link the 64-bit SDL libs (should be easy to fix)
[21:41] <Old_Fogie> NaCl, "bored" yes that'd be me.  I'm a free software glutton :)
[21:41] <Old_Fogie> NaCl, almost 2000 packages here :)
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[21:41] <NaCl> Old_Fogie: Impressive.  Perhaps you should make such an index. :)
[21:42] <Old_Fogie> I use slapt-get, but I make all the depends in the required file, so I live with my own errors, ahah.
[21:42] <Old_Fogie> for my own repo that is
[21:42] <Old_Fogie> slapt
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[21:43] <Urchlay> yosii: if you're only using the chroot environment for building the occasional package, you can get by with an older version of Slackware (mine's actually 10.2 because I haven't upgraded it in eons)
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[21:43] <NaCl> Old_Fogie: Gotcha. I used to use slapt.  Then again, I also used LP.org
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[21:43] <vastina> Old_Fogie: true, yet that;s more prevalent in freebsd and her clones, not very clean code, openbsd is anal code, very clean and methodical, that's why I always use it for network protection and automation
[21:43] <NaCl> Urchlay: gotcha.  I remember just tweaking that when I made a build
[21:43] <macavity> good night folks
[21:43] <Old_Fogie> I got some more bash learning to do.  I've pretty much got a neat ldd / script that outputs to text files, it's the merging of them and discarding duplicates that's getting me now.  But I do have a nice import to mysql once that's done, so I usually query my mysql db when I'm in 'dev' mode, and dont use slapt theere
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[21:44] <Urchlay> vastina: the only thing I really don't like about freebsd's ports system is, it installs packaged software in /usr/local by default
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[21:44] <Urchlay> (to me,  /usr/local/ should only be for unmanaged stuff you compile and  "make  install" yourself)
[21:44] <vastina> Urchlay: i prefer slackware to freebsd, i'm an openbsd man
[21:45] <Old_Fogie> vastina, yes they are methodical for sure.  then again, when you look at the version of things they run, it's also telling.  many *bsd's still on kde 3.5.9 so you'd hope that they'd have them *right*
[21:45] <Urchlay> and yah, I know the ports install root can be changed, but probably not to /usr/ports because that's where the sources are
[21:45] <yosii> i was smacked around for using swaret and slapt
[21:45] <thumbs> yosii: rightfully so
[21:45] <martian67> Old_Fogie, many?
[21:45] <martian67> name one
[21:45] <NaCl> yosii: so was I for mentioning it. :P
[21:45] <Old_Fogie> martian67, why
[21:45] <martian67> because you are wrong
[21:45] <martian67> lol
[21:45] <tdos> what 's zsnes?
[21:45] <vastina> the only thing i hate about my primary distro is the fact that the community is elitist and very harsh on newcomers
[21:45] <NaCl> yosii: Did Dominian do it to you?
[21:45] <Urchlay> vastina: I've only ever run one openbsd box for any serious purpose (a VPN endpoint), it did its job great & never complained at me :)
[21:46] <Old_Fogie> martian67, whatever
[21:46] <yosii> NaCl: you know it
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[21:46] <yosii> NaCl: then i tried a rollback with slackpkg from -current back to 12.2...not so good results
[21:46] <Old_Fogie> martian67, you're right. BSD's are bleeding edge. they're all kde 4.2.2
[21:46] <martian67> i didnt say that
[21:47] <martian67> but you are aluding that they are old and not frequently updated
[21:47] <martian67> which is wrong
[21:47] <tdos> how many of you ue linuxz in your work?
[21:47] <martian67> please dont place a dichotomy where one dosent belong
[21:47] <Urchlay> "BSD is Dying! Netcraft Confirms it!"
[21:47] <yosii> tdos: me
[21:47] <yosii> Urchlay: i use vm's so i'll likely do what i'm familiar with...
[21:48] <Old_Fogie> No you're being a fan boy. I ain't "eluding" jack.  They dont run bleeding edge software, they typically have tried and true battle tested, and highly scrutinized build scripts, and install setups.  And *that* was my point.
[21:48] <yosii> Urchlay: i'll likely just do the slackbuild in a sun xvm window
[21:48] <Urchlay> yosii: yeah, a virtual machine with 32-bit slackware is also fine for building zsnes
[21:48] <tdos> wtf is zsnes?
[21:48] <Urchlay> Super Nintendo emulator
[21:48] <vastina> Old_Fogie: i'll take stable unbloated code over bleeding edge crash-my-box immature code
[21:48] <martian67> Old_Fogie, well please dont use examples that arnt true
[21:48] <martian67> it dosent help your case any
[21:49] <yosii> tdos: nintendo emulator, for old games
[21:49] <Old_Fogie> martian67, free country I'll say/feel what I want
[21:49] <Urchlay> lot of fun to dust off the old Super Mario Kart reflexes :)
[21:49] <Old_Fogie> vastina, agreed
[21:49] <tdos> ta
[21:49] <martian67> you have the right to your own opinion, not your own facts
[21:49] <tdos> yosii
[21:49] <vastina> that's the difference between a newb and a unix man
[21:49] <Old_Fogie> martian67, go troll someone else man I'm done with you
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[21:50] <Urchlay> vastina: the crash-my-box stuff can be fun to mess with on home/non-production boxes though :
[21:50] <vastina> Urchlay: agreed
[21:50] <vastina> to an extent
[21:50] <Old_Fogie> Urchlay, yeah you learn that way
[21:50] <Urchlay> just for that glorious shining moment when it does something  really really cool (or cool-looking), just before bursting into flames :)
[21:50] <vastina> i like my shit to work, i pay good money for my hardware, i expect it to work
[21:51] <Wescotte> Anyone recommend a good web hosting/domain name purchasing place for use in the US? Web page is going to be very very basic.. most likely a static page
[21:51] <Wescotte> I haven't used any services in so long I dunno who's decent anymore..
[21:51] <vastina> Wescotte: likewise
[21:52] <Wescotte> only one I know is godaddy and only cuz of stupid superbowl commericals
[21:52] <tdos> <Wescotte> use a free one like 000webhost
[21:53] <andarius> i use 1 and 1
[21:53] <thumbs> slicehost.
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[21:54] <Wescotte> tdos: hmmm free is always good :)
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[21:55] <agentc0re> linode
[21:56] <tdos> kinda free to begin with - they do try to rope you in tho
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[21:58] <tdos> how many of you are programmers?
[21:58] <thumbs> tdos: most of us.
[21:58] <CHCOOH> not me !
[21:58] <vastina> :) i am
[21:58] <thumbs> tdos: oh, you mean profesionally?
[21:59] <tdos> whats the best curren lang?
[21:59] <CHCOOH> VB 6
[21:59] <thumbs> I'm under a NDA.
[21:59] <tdos> im doing a php exam next fri
[21:59] <vastina> always a matter of opinion by style
[21:59] <grevus> asm
[21:59] <tdos> cobol
[21:59] <thumbs> I like perl
[21:59] <tdos> asm lol
[21:59] <vastina> thumbs: yeah that and c++ can't go wrong
[21:59] <grevus> the best
[22:00] <agentc0re> andarius: How long have you been with 1and1?
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[22:00] <grevus> take the two  pluses and you can't ever go wrong
[22:00] <andarius> agentc0re: several years now
[22:00] <tdos> z++
[22:00] <grevus> pascal++
[22:00] <agentc0re> andarius: VPSII has a good deal right now.
[22:01] <vastina> i've always been a C man, and when i feel lazy i'll do perl... if i'm stoned, i'll do ruby
[22:01] <grevus> if i was stoned, i'd do lisp
[22:01] <grevus> verbally i mean
[22:01] <Strykar_> that's the worst way to choose a language to write in
[22:01] <agentc0re> I'm not sure if lisp would like that :P
[22:02] <grevus> ask a bunch of stoned IRCers?
[22:02] <thumbs> or drunk
[22:02] <Strykar_> choose a language by intoxicant
[22:03] <vastina> thumbs: now why in the fuck would you be sat in front of a box drunk? pathetic
[22:03] <tdos> how else are you gonna break it?
[22:03] <vastina> nuhrrr, dir.... <command not found> shit, dir <command not found>
[22:04] <vastina> makes complete sense
[22:04] <thumbs> vastina: careful.
[22:05] <vastina> thumbs: or?
[22:05] <tdos> i like css - no harm done
[22:05] <agentc0re> You'll have a lot of pissed off drunk irc's on your ass.
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[22:05] <LinuxyErin> does anyone know if/how to get to the themes on freshmeat since they restructured their site?
[22:05] <vastina> agentc0re: haha, aww
[22:05] <LinuxyErin> google still shows the old themes sections as if they are viewable
[22:05] <thumbs> vastina: 1) swearing is not tolerated in this channel and 2) people WILL get offended
[22:06] <vastina> thumbs: pardon mon francais monsieur
[22:07] <vastina> sorry channel, i've a mind like a sailor
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[22:07] <SaEeDIRHA> hello, i have installed slackware on my asus eee 701 machine , but i dont know how to detect my modem
[22:07] <SaEeDIRHA> can you help me to detect my modem plz?
[22:07] <thumbs> vastina: I have no idea whatever you said meant
[22:08] <Wescotte> hmm 1on1 is pretty cheap.. plus they got a lil site builder thingy which means I probably don't have to make a site then :)
[22:08] <Old_Fogie> SaEeDIRHA, I believe on slackwiki is a guide for the eee
[22:08] <vastina> lol
[22:08] <thumbs> vastina: I can't read French, sorry.
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[22:09] <CHCOOH> can you be offended not seeing swearing ?
[22:09] <vastina> SaEeDIRHA: use sudo or su; then 'dmesg | grep -i 'ppp[0]'' then use netconfig
[22:10] <Wescotte> if you know what is being said.. I guess you could
[22:10] <vastina> i've a dirty mouth, never knew i'd have to mind it in a channel, but i respect it
[22:11] <Pig_Pen> sleepytime, laters
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[22:13] <SaEeDIRHA> output is : PPP generic driver version 2.4.2
[22:13] <SaEeDIRHA> nothing specific
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[22:20] <vastina> SaEeDIRHA: i won't lie, i've not done dial up in ages, however this sums what i'd say up decently, http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/l17/lesson17d.html
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[22:25] <tdos> what about mobiles
[22:26] <tdos> over bluetooth
[22:26] <tdos> i wanna but a mobile i can slackify
[22:27] <tdos> has anyone tried hostapd
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[22:29] <tdos> i coundn't get it to work
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[22:33] <nullboy> pretty fscking amazing!
[22:34] <vastina> heh
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[22:36] <BP{k}> aahh, hobgolbin ftw \o/
[22:36] <nullboy> damn you
[22:36] <nullboy> well actually i have nice beers too
[22:36] <nullboy> one of my clients gave me an assorted case of New Beligum beers
[22:36] <BP{k}> nullboy: oh? nice :)
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[22:37] <nullboy> i think i'm going to the brew house tongiht
[22:37] <agentc0re> I'm not a big fan of Belgium beers.  Too sweet for my taste.
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[22:38] <paul424> hi after recompiling kernel  I get  : initrd.gz: loading kernel modules form initrd image: mount: mounting /dev/hda3 on /mnt failed [ ......... ] Kernel Panic - ........
[22:38] <paul424> what might have gone wrong ?
[22:38] <nullboy> why does it say /mnt ?
[22:38] <nullboy> what is your situation?
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[22:40] <paul424> hmm that is the question ...
[22:41] <paul424> hmm shouldn't it be mounted on mnt ?
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[22:44] <paul424> I followed this instructgions and failed : http://pushebp.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/a-quick-intro-to-compiling-linux-kernel-26231-in-slackware-120/
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[22:45] <nullboy> if you followed that you shouldn't have /mnt set as the path in your initrd
[22:45] <nullboy> how did you make your initrd?
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[22:46] <straterra> If you compiled your own kernel..why are you using an initrd?
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[22:47] <edman007> LVM?
[22:47] <edman007> nullboy, and enough with the splits
[22:47] <nullboy> dood omg wtf
[22:47] <hitest> whoa
[22:48] <edman007> nullboy, just put the cable back
[22:48] <nullboy> looks like bartol has a little net fartol
[22:48] <grevus> someone didn't pay their ISP bills!
[22:49] <paul424> I am not an expert it says I should use one so I use .. I mean initrd is necessery to load some modules i.e. the modules with IDE and ext2
[22:49] <edman007> paul424, if you build a kernel yourself you can just compile them into the kernel, then there is nothing that needs loading
[22:49] <nullboy> paul424: if you take the time to compile your own kernel you might as well add the drivers you need at boot time and forget about initrd's
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[22:50] <edman007> the exception is LVM, which requires userspace apps to do stuff, but that initrd can be compiled in too
[22:50] <paul424> ohh ok thanks ...
[22:50] <nullboy> not just LVM though. i need an initrd to unlock my luks /
[22:50] <edman007> ahh, that too
[22:50] <nullboy> paul424: the question really is, why have you found yourself compiling a kernel?
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[22:51] <skibur> is it only me, but is Java becoming the programming of choice?
[22:51] <nullboy> paul424:  if you just want to play with it and learn the process that's completely understandable.
[22:52] <paul424> err I need some feauters to make work the proprietary ati catalyst drivers ....
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[22:52] <paul424> which requiered pci - msi to be compiled into kernel ....... or at least it said unrecognized symbol when I tried to load the module
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[22:53] <nullboy> yes, as far as i know that is/was an issue
[22:53] <nullboy> paul424: boot back into the old kernel
[22:53] <paul424> and ... ?
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[22:54] <nullboy> and build a proper kernel and an initrd if you don't want to just add the parts you need for booting
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[22:55] <paul424> hmm what parts ? does it takes a notable treeshold ?
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[22:56] <paul424> like ext2 + IDE would be enough ..... the menuconfig has many branches ...
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[22:56] <nullboy> you need ata/sata/scsi drivers + your root filesystem drivers
[22:56] <yosii> and i'm back
[22:57] <yosii> wonder what that guy wanted with me an hour ago
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[22:58] <paul424> hmm nullboy: so you mean ata ....
[22:58] <erizoe> So i'm pretty new to this whole loonix business, I mean I know a lot for someone my age, i'm only a kid. I've never had a job in computers or anything but i hope to one day. I just found the program "iptraf" that comes with Slackware current.
[22:58] <erizoe> What an Awesome program!
[22:58] <erizoe> I figure i'll figure out how it works now, so when  i'm 40 like you guys i'll have a pretty good job =)
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[22:59] <straterra> err
[22:59] <nullboy> paul424: well that depends on your system
[22:59] <grevus> hey! whom did he call 40?
[22:59] <nullboy> you need to know you system
[22:59] <straterra> I'm not 40 o.O
[22:59] <paul424> yes i have only ata drivers
[22:59] <yosii> grevus: that's what i was thinking
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[22:59] <nullboy> i'm not 40 either
[22:59] <paul424> ok brb bye
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[22:59] <grevus> damn kidz!
[22:59] <erizoe> try to not be offended =D
[23:00] <nullboy> i'm 86
[23:00] <yosii> grevus: i'm 30
[23:00] Nick change: Stx -> Guest49393
[23:00] <yosii> grevus: i think this kid just called all of us old
[23:00] <erizoe> kekeke
[23:00] <Old_Fogie> watch that "old" stuff
[23:00] <Old_Fogie> :)
[23:00] <erizoe> I knew Fogie was coming...
[23:00] <straterra> Old_Fogie: you ARE old
[23:00] <nullboy> i'm 86 years young, bishes
[23:01] <nullboy> catch me if you can
[23:01] Action: Old_Fogie farts dust
[23:01] <straterra> you were old when air was created
[23:01] <erizoe> so yeah, iptraf...good stuff. I noticed that the windows computer in my basement had made 2000+ connections being plugged in for a minute....I think that's pretty bad.
[23:01] Action: yosii remembers chillin with moses in the sinai
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[23:01] <nullboy> erizoe: you know what's even cooler? netstat-nat on a linux router
[23:01] <straterra> lol
[23:01] <straterra> you know whats cooler?
[23:01] <erizoe> ice cold
[23:02] <nullboy> yeah i have a good idea
[23:02] <nullboy> my mom
[23:02] <nullboy> ...
[23:02] <straterra> finding out your stepdad looks at porn from snort!
[23:02] <nullboy> lol
[23:02] Action: Old_Fogie spent about 4 minutes ssh'ing into a linky-dink router before he realized it was a linky-dink router and not a real pc :)
[23:02] <erizoe> nullboy: I inherited a http://support.gateway.com/support/srt/docs.asp?sn=0010928790 that i might do some experimenting on with stuff like that.
[23:03] <Old_Fogie> was scratching my head, why can't I get ssh into "obama"
[23:03] <yosii> let's go ahead and remark HOW old we are...what OS did your first computer run?
[23:03] <nullboy> msdos 6.22 + windows 3.1
[23:03] <Old_Fogie> yosii, first computer? oh that's simple, an abbaccus.
[23:03] <hitest> ms dos 5.0
[23:04] <yosii> microsoft basic 1.1
[23:04] <hiptobecubic> hmph. I can't get glibmm from SBo to build
[23:04] <nullboy> my first system was a 486SX
[23:04] <Urchlay> my first computer ran the Atari ROM OS, revision B (it was an Atari 400, 16K of RAM)
[23:04] <Old_Fogie> hiptobecubic, you have the depends right?
[23:04] <Old_Fogie> like, you verified it all?
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[23:04] <nullboy> my second system was a Pentium 233mmx
[23:04] <yosii> mine was a CoCo III
[23:04] <Urchlay> the entire OS was 10K of ROM, and storage was on audio cassette tapes that ran at 600 baud
[23:04] <nullboy> my thrid system was a PPro
[23:05] Action: Old_Fogie hits the turbo button on the pc here to show off :)
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[23:05] <nullboy> my fourth system was a P3CU 550
[23:05] <erizoe> I bet i'm the youngest person here...i try to be seen and not heard most of hte time but you're out of luck tonight.
[23:05] <erizoe> no one can beat 17.
[23:05] <Old_Fogie> I can beat it a few times
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[23:06] <Urchlay> erizoe: your first computer ran slackware 12.2? :)
[23:06] <nullboy> lol
[23:06] <yosii> Urchlay: about the same with the CoCo's...their os was MS BASIC in rom, storing programs on either a cassette or one of those new 5-1/4 serial port floppy drives
[23:06] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, still got any of them antiques floating around?
[23:06] <Urchlay> yosii: yeah, I know a bit about the CoCo II (not so much about the III), they were pretty cool machines
[23:06] <hiptobecubic> it says the only dep is libsigc++ which i have
[23:06] <nullboy> Old_Fogie: i still have the 233mmx system
[23:06] <Urchlay> 6809 was a nice CPU
[23:06] <yosii> Urchlay: the III had a little more RAM, that's it
[23:07] <Urchlay> thought the III also had better graphics? (like 256 colors maybe?)
[23:07] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, nice.  I'm trying to fix one of them 233mmx , the quad-speed cd-rom is giving me grief
[23:07] <erizoe> urchlay: my first linux was Ubuntu 7.04, i loved it, then i upgraded to 8.04 or something and it died...then I did Gentoo twice, now my first computer that I payed for runs slack12.2
[23:07] <hiptobecubic> i just tried to rebuild libsigc++ to test it, and that failed too. There must be some larger problem at work here....
[23:07] <yosii> Urchlay: no, it was still 16 colors
[23:07] <nullboy> Old_Fogie: yeah i have long since replaced that
[23:07] <nullboy> may times over
[23:07] <yosii> Urchlay: and it came with a thick book of programs to use
[23:08] <yosii> that you(OMG) TYPED out to use, and saved on a tape, if you liked
[23:08] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, I did get a working HD in it tho, so glad about that.  I may have to yank the HD and image it off a diff box, then put it back in. them old toweres, finicky they are.
[23:08] <yosii> Urchlay: did you ever get the modem and the light pen for yours?
[23:08] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, actually it's a tiny small horiz case, quite nice, ugly white, but some paint an fix that
[23:08] <nullboy> k3b is a steaming pile right now
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[23:09] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, on kde4?
[23:10] <nullboy> yeah
[23:10] <hiptobecubic> Here is output from the failed compile. Are there any obvious problems? I feel like something must be wrong with my setup here... http://rafb.net/p/qfqIe823.html
[23:10] <nullboy> right now i can't even get the svn version to build anymore
[23:10] <Old_Fogie> ah ok
[23:10] <nullboy> looks like it needs policykit now
[23:10] <Urchlay> I did have a 300 baud modem (later a 1200) and a light pen for my 2nd computer (which was an  Atari 800XL, same CPU/graphics as the 400 but 64K RAM)
[23:10] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, "k3b" needs policy-kit ?
[23:10] <nullboy> yeah
[23:10] <Old_Fogie> yuk
[23:10] <yosii> Urchlay: i kept that coco until i got a 486
[23:10] <Urchlay> the light pen was basically useless, it required holding your arm in an unnatural position for a long time :(
[23:11] <yosii> Urchlay: and then i promptly installed slack over win 3.1
[23:11] <Old_Fogie> nullboy, I mean I have it here, but Slackware proper ain't gonna like that
[23:11] <Urchlay> I still have about half of my 400 (it died, I took it apart, never put it back together, lost half the bits when moving)
[23:11] <Urchlay> I do still have the 800 (it's been upgraded to 265K now)
[23:11] <Urchlay> er, 800XL rather
[23:11] <nullboy> Old_Fogie: i know, and i really liked k3b before. i'm using xfburn right now instead
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[23:12] <Urchlay> I also have an 800, it's probably my favorite (built like a tank)
[23:12] <Old_Fogie> ah, no I never used xfburn before to be honest.  either k3b, or brasero or gnomebaker
[23:12] <yosii> nullboy: and i was given an one of those new ibm pc's(no hd) after i was running slack on my 486
[23:12] <Urchlay> yosii: I even wrote an IRC client that'll run on an unexpanded Atari 800 (assuming you have a Linux or something box with a serial port that can run SLIP)
[23:13] <TwinReverb> i am using a LUKS partition and running LVM2 off it (i put my /home and swap on it) and for some reason, while slackware notices my /etc/crypttab and unlocks it while booting, it does not detect the LVM nor mount /home or turn on swap even though they are in /etc/fstab.  why?
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[23:15] <yosii> Urchlay: i'm wondering if anyone will eventually start putting ethernet controllers for all those old machines(there's already an ethernet controller for the commadore 64
[23:16] <yosii> and the coco came with i think it was 128k of ram factory
[23:16] <Urchlay> yosii: a guy I know has just received samples of an ethernet chip, he'll probably interface them to the Atari via the cartridge port (I've only been bugging him about it for months...)
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[23:17] <Urchlay> can't do it myself, I suck at etching PBCs and  soldering QFP ICs
[23:17] <yosii> Urchlay: yeah, that's how the commodore's ethernet worked
[23:17] <nullboy> off to the brew house they have new beer!
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[23:17] <hiptobecubic> libsig++ doesn't have any deps... can anyone give me a hand figuring out why it doesn't build?  http://rafb.net/p/wCWt9X36.html
[23:18] <TwinReverb> btw anyone use personas for firefix?  i've got one of slackware linux ....
[23:18] <yosii> Urchlay: the only thing i really liked about the commodore was its SID chip\
[23:18] <Urchlay> yosii: the SID was the one  thing I was jealous of, as an Atari owner :)
[23:18] <hiptobecubic> TwinReverb, screenshot?
[23:18] Action: yosii <-------- synth nut
[23:18] <TwinReverb> hold on
[23:19] <Urchlay> well, that and the game "Impossible Mission",  which was never made for the Atari computers (though it was, for the Atari 7800 console)
[23:19] <yosii> Urchlay: you know, they're coming out with synths with that sid chip in them
[23:20] <yosii> only capable of 3 notes per chip
[23:20] <TwinReverb> hiptobecubic, http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/screenshot.jpg
[23:21] <yosii> TwinReverb: good ol' xfce
[23:21] <TwinReverb> SID chip?
[23:21] <TwinReverb> yosii, yep
[23:22] <hiptobecubic> <3 xfce
[23:22] <yosii> TwinReverb: sid was the sound chip for the c64, a pretty damn good synth chip all in all
[23:22] <yosii> TwinReverb: especially for the 80s
[23:22] <TwinReverb> ah
[23:22] <yosii> TwinReverb: and if i could afford it, i'd have one of the SID synths
[23:23] <yosii> TwinReverb: but i can't even afford to fix my voyager, much less buy another high end synth
[23:23] <Urchlay> heh, go look up "8 bit sid chip sandwich" on youtune, if you get bored
[23:23] <TwinReverb> with the way the economy is going, i've made the choice to act like i can afford nothing
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[23:24] <TwinReverb> hiptobecubic, want the persona?
[23:24] <TwinReverb> it's not been added yet, but i did submit it to their website
[23:24] <yosii> right now, i'm stuck with a cheap wavetable and a few softsynths
[23:25] <hiptobecubic> TwinReverb, i think it's too light for me. I like dark grays. I work a lot  at night in bed and can't be lighting up the room :)
[23:25] <yosii> my analog synth is toast...one of the oscillators and the white noise are dead
[23:25] <TwinReverb> it's all good
[23:25] <hiptobecubic> Anyone have any ideas about that build error?
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[23:26] <kornerr_work> hi
[23:27] <gtl> my eclipse crashes at startup
[23:27] <kornerr_work> i can't find 'vconfig' package for slackware
[23:27] <gtl> i get this as problematic frame: [libswt-mozilla-gtk-3452.so+0x1098b]
[23:28] <kornerr_work> oh, got that
[23:28] <kornerr_work> the package is called 'vlan-*.tgz'
[23:28] <kornerr_work> see you
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[23:36] <hiptobecubic> Apparently gcc-4.3 is 'cleaned up' with respect to c/c++ headers? So now some things are broken? Can this be right? I'm using gcc-4.3.3 and libsigc++ from SBo fails, as does glibmm. Can anyone try it to build either real quick and tell me what happens?
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[23:38] <psychicist> hiptobecubic: I see the same thing, but 2.2.3 seems to be the current release
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[23:39] <hiptobecubic> psychicist, 2.2.3 of what?
[23:39] <psychicist> libsigc++
[23:39] <psychicist> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/libsigc++/2.2/
[23:39] <hiptobecubic> psychicist, ah you're saying that SBo is out of date. i was just looking into that
[23:39] <hiptobecubic> i'll try the newest
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[23:46] <hiptobecubic> psychicist, seems to be working...... thanks for the heads up
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