[00:00] hehe [00:01] last time I called my ISP, they asked me to run spyware and antivir scans and defrag then call back later when done (after I advised I'm on linux :) [00:01] rob0: and i have googled a lot, finally i can connect to adsl, but the connection breaks down after awhile [00:02] confusing :( [00:02] Old_Fogie: lol! Should have told them, okay give me one second... DONE, all clean. Quick huh? :D [00:02] Old_Fogie: Then after you do that,they'll want you to reboot. [00:02] agentc0re, :D hahah "yes Maam, I am done, you see I have a quantum computer..and..." [00:02] FriedBob, hahah yea [00:03] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-b24a2d8a991e0797) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:03] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.177.41) joined ##slackware. [00:03] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-5d5802854aa30892) joined ##slackware. [00:03] Old_Fogie: haha, or, "Yes it's all done, my computer runs on awesomeness. Awesome equals fast!" [00:04] rob0: page is broken at lilo.freenode.net [00:04] or actually http://lilo.freenode.net/messagelist.php [00:04] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:05] FriedBob: glad to hear that fixed it [00:05] eseven73 (n=eseven73@unaffiliated/eseven73) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:07] esom (n=Administ@58.47.114.131) left ##slackware. [00:08] And if you had a lot of spare time, and a sick sense of humor you could have pretended like you had no clue what that was. She'd be walking you through how to do it, you'd download the executable and you'd explain... But nothing happens when i double click on it. [00:08] lol [00:08] agentc0re, I *know* I'm in for a long night when they ask me to power cycle the modem :) [00:13] I live on a half circle street. Half of the half is autumn ave and the other half is Bryer Cliff. Because of that there are two 929's on our street. My cable got shut off because my dipshit neighbor across the street didn't pay their bill so they cut mine off. It took forever for them to figure it out. [00:14] agentc0re, well don't be so quick to be angry now, for all you know, "Publisher's Clearing House" may wrongly knock on *your* door someday :) [00:14] When they finally figured it out they told me that they were both labeled only 929 at the box. So thats great, i'm glad the tech did a "eni meni mini mo" on which one to pull. [00:14] lol [00:15] hahah [00:15] Well i'm off to bed, nite all. [00:16] g'nite [00:18] later [00:19] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net expired. [00:19] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:21] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.184.186) joined ##slackware. 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[00:36] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "..(cyp): BitchX Official FAQ Site -- http://faq.bitchx.org/" [00:37] it failed [00:37] Oviously. [00:40] it failed with exit code 3 [00:40] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:40] intel reported a 90% profit drop holy crap [00:41] imagine that [00:41] nullboy, seems their performance engineers of their vga cards division went to the sales group [00:44] [00:45] [00:45] sorry [00:45] keep in mind computers is a small chuck of what intel does as a whole [00:46] they also do prostitution and firearms [00:46] If Intel are tanking that doesn't sound too good for AMD. A financial crisis is all a company already in financial crisis needs :/ [00:46] ... *shudders at the thought* [00:46] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-51.york.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:46] Action: Old_Fogie smells another bailout [00:47] Action: andarius smells himself leaving the damn country rather than support every looser here :( [00:47] andarius, agreed. [00:47] yeah, i hate losers [00:47] What was the command to show gears? [00:47] xglgears? [00:47] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [00:47] dislexic? [00:47] :D [00:48] lol [00:48] "glxgears" [00:48] glxgears [00:48] D'oh! [00:48] :P [00:48] hahah :) [00:48] Thank you very much :-P [00:48] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:48] ruoy emoclew [00:48] lfor [00:48] :) [00:49] Old_Fogie: How's your perl-fu and foomatic-fu? [00:49] FriedBob, not good at all [00:49] FriedBob, non-existent actually [00:49] I've compiled foomatic that's about it, been a while tho. [00:50] Old_Fogie: I can't use my foomatic-rip because something in the conversion part of the script is causing an error 3 (a job error) [00:52] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-656a6819fef33d64) joined ##slackware. [00:53] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-656a6819fef33d64) left ##slackware. [00:53] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d9c3fb06602ffaa8) joined ##slackware. [00:54] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:54] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [00:54] FriedBob, well /usr/bin/foomatic-rip is able to be edited, so you can go in there and change the log level. Note the big fat security warning they put in there. Possibly that will give you something worth while? [00:55] Old_Fogie: Yeah, I'm doing that now actually. [00:55] drunk and slackware mix really well :-P doing some crazy looking script and it only happened when i've gotten slackware :-P [00:56] Old_Fogie, what editor you use? i use nano [00:56] notepad.exe :) [00:57] what notepad on slack? [00:57] oh wine [00:57] nah I'm kidding [00:58] emacs! [00:59] nano -w ftw [00:59] emacs is real good [00:59] heret|c, yup or mcedit :) [00:59] the w is for win [01:00] mcedit is nice too have to start using that one [01:00] is me or does she has 4 eyes http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-Ml8X-4NXcc/RgMqLYws6OI/AAAAAAAAABA/2JLwfzjTChI/ImageFetch.ashx.jpg [01:00] mousepad is good for small things [01:00] yes mcedit has colors ; /me likes colors [01:00] 4 eyes and 2 mouths [01:00] checks bash scripting too, so that's neat [01:00] Old_Fogie: Found the next problem.. no libsane. Which I am assuming is also in X [01:00] Old_Fogie, hey how you change terminal colors [01:00] out of x [01:01] FriedBob, now that I know I told you about :) [01:01] xteraco (n=xteraco@67.133.153.3) joined ##slackware. [01:01] his prolem goes first [01:01] Old_Fogie: You mentioned xsane. ;P [01:01] semantics :) [01:01] FriedBob, what are you trying to do with all these weird problems [01:02] Old_Fogie: I'm an accountant with a specialty in audit and a penchant for IT/CS. I also dabble in law. [01:02] It's all about the semantics. [01:02] hahah [01:02] KidpunkX: Print. [01:03] Well I'm a glutton for punishment, so I'm married with kids n grandkids [01:03] I hope to have kids by end of the year. [01:03] FriedBob, lol i hate doing cups in slackware its so hard let me look at slackbook since i feel this good :-P [01:03] Old_Fogie, no wonder i look up to you [01:04] One of the most gratifying things in life is to watch your children struggle with their own kids [01:05] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.152.21) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [01:05] rk4n3, oh it's *so* funny to hear *your* words out of *their* mouth they *swore* they'd *never* say is all I can say :) [01:05] Old_Fogie: indeed :) [01:06] Administrator (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) joined ##slackware. [01:06] rk4n3, happened the other night actually, "no you cannot have ice cream for dinner" [01:06] Old_Fogie: those words are one thing, and the other is the "look" - I treasure that look I get from my daughter when she realizes a bit of "trouble" she caused that she is now getting back from her own child... its heart-warming [01:06] "...when I grow up I'm gonna eat ice cream for dinner every night.." ha-hah-hah! [01:07] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:07] KidpunkX: My only problem is that I didn't install X and XAP. Still haven't - just fontconfig and sane (so far) and a few other random libX's I as told make life easier for PHP [01:07] haha [01:07] rk4n3, yeah hahah, the memories do come back to yur kids when dealing with theirs. they have that look like "I know he's sitting their gloating in this ,...I just know it.." [01:08] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:08] hehe - its all good [01:08] FriedBob, shiat anyway its too advance for me so i cant realy help you wtf.. is a XAP lol is it on slackbook well i'm not up to that yet reading about cups [01:08] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] WOOT! [01:08] fontconfig and sane is all it took. Test page is printing. [01:09] Now I just have to get things setup to allow the printers to be shared - which will be simple. [01:09] FriedBob, so only 4 days of hacking to have a minimal x, and xap . :) [01:09] well i only got 6 month with slackware i learned alot about scripting through :-P [01:09] FriedBob, teasin' ya, I had to on that one. [01:10] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Nick change: Bugz_ -> Bugz [01:10] KidpunkX: the X and XAP I am referring to "disk sets" from the install media BTW [01:11] Old_Fogie: font-config and sane are rather mininal... one package from each diskset. ;P [01:12] Nick change: Bugz___ -> Bugz_ [01:13] does anyone in here uses iptables or ip6tables and what is the differences [01:13] ip6 came with 12.1 [01:13] ip6tables is for ipv6 I would assume [01:14] yuck [01:14] i hate ipv6theres always error messages [01:14] Action: Old_Fogie hums "moe-hah-veeee" [01:15] Action: heret|c jabs Old_Fogie in the nose [01:16] some words weren't meant for ~anyone~ to hear, you filthy bastard! [01:16] heret|c: What, are you using a screen reader? [01:16] haha [01:17] my eyes read my computer screen...? [01:17] xteraco_ (n=xteraco@67.133.152.124) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] heret|c: That's not hearing then. [01:17] FriedBob, I'm liking this semantics thing now :) [01:18] Action: heret|c jabs FriedBob in the eye [01:18] Old_Fogie: Most do - when it is not turned on them. [01:18] NO room for logistics in MY ##slackware [01:18] [ in bed ] :) [01:18] MS to lay people off, think it's true? [01:18] definitely [01:18] heret|c: logistics is the study of moving things from place to place. Traffic flow and getting good to where they need to be. [01:19] Other than data packets, no logistics here. [01:19] s/good/goods/ [01:19] 2. The management of the details of an operation. [01:19] move along. [01:19] I heard some rumor that the going rate for severence packages is around 8 months' pay [01:19] rk4n3, I'd have thought they'd waited longer and all, they always claim "so hard to find people and such.." and they were up at Congress not too long ago begging for loosening restrictions on immigration and all. odd. [01:20] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [01:20] heret|c: None of that is going on here either, so I stand by my statement. [01:20] Old_Fogie: yeah, I suppose - though in the end the quickest way to save money is always to cut staff, and there's almost always "dead weight" if you look hard enough [01:21] rk4n3, boy you'd think you'd get work out of people for paying for 8 months ( /me says .."greater minds than mine..what do I know") [01:21] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.176.21) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Old_Fogie, haveyou use iptables? [01:21] KidpunkX, sorta, zonealarm.exe [01:21] KidpunkX, :D [01:21] pointing out the word "heard" during/about an internet text conversation, is in fact dwelling and attempting to manage the details of an operation, the operation in this case, a conversation [01:21] lol [01:22] Old_Fogie: yeah, the whole idea of paying people to leave is a little puzzling [01:22] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Administrator (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) left irc: "Leaving" [01:22] Old_Fogie, do you use win alot? [01:22] KidpunkX, check out slackwiki there's some nice examples there, and alienbob has a script gen for them as well. [01:22] KidpunkX, no I just joke abot it tho [01:22] lol [01:22] rk4n3, I had hard times over the years, if you pay they work, was always my motto. [01:22] Also, argueing over the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded [01:22] heret|c: Except that operations have a goal and a purpose. This does not. [01:22] wanna run? [01:23] Old_Fogie, how long have you been using slack? [01:23] KidpunkX: Since he was a young fogie. [01:23] KidpunkX, about 3 years I gues now [01:23] Old_Fogie: common sense - it works wonders [01:23] A conversation always has a goal and a purpose. the exchange of thoughts and ideas for the purpose of learning or entertainment [01:23] heret|c: Who's arguing? I'm simply discussing. [01:23] rk4n3, right, an employee gives you two weeks, I do the same . [01:24] Discussing points with the intention of proving a greater idea thats contradictiry to what another person has said is argueing [01:24] rk4n3, then again, I always paid over scale tho. [01:24] hmMm.. young fogie and Old_Fogie so that would be at least 13 years [01:24] heret|c: Who says I am trying to prove anything? Maybe I just like the sound of my keyboard as I type. [01:25] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-214-23.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] lol@ FriedBob [01:25] the intentions of the words procurred by said typing is what say's so. [01:25] Which, incidently, is true. Nothing quite sounds like an M Series. [01:25] I'd put hot steamy screamy sweaty monkey sex above that personnally. [01:25] Old_Fogie: I wonder if the whole idea of severence really comes down to a desire to minimize the risk of the damage an "unenthusiastic" employee might cause while working over the time period of the severence... [01:25] heret|c: No, you are assuming intention, and you know what they say about what happens when you assume. [01:26] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [01:26] Old_Fogie: I have a couple of CDs of that, some with video. Want a copy? [01:26] the proof is in the pudding , give it up [01:26] Ongavezir (n=bringa@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [01:26] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:26] Ongavezir kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: -NOEINTELLIGENCE [01:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:26] TwinReverb: oi oi! [01:26] rk4n3, well it started in a time when people had pensions, so you were doing a buyout. as to why these days, when most company's have 401k and offer buyouts, I don't know. Unless they're making way to many concessions to steal people up front. [01:27] :P [01:27] FriedBob, hahaha [01:27] re [01:27] Old_Fogie: ah, the pension buyout makes sense... but yeah, that's rare these days [01:27] ld: unrecognized option '--build-id' [01:27] ld: use the --help option for usage information [01:27] during compile of 2.6.28 kernel [01:28] anyone can help? [01:28] rk4n3, yes it is. I have to think that in years past, they had to really lay alot out on the line to get people to go there, not lose their "IP" to a competitor and what not. I can only speculate, but I do think it's ridiculous to pay out 8 months and get no labor for it. [01:28] Not just anyone, it has to be someone who knows what they're doing, mac-. [01:28] Wow, I need to stop XD [01:29] heret|c: Fun isn't it? [01:29] Yes :( [01:29] Good, then my job here is done. [01:30] heret|c: what do You mean ? [01:30] rk4n3, another side of it is, any 'financial consultant' worth their weight will tell you to always have 8 months income in the bank for hard times. The "8 months" a "coincidence" ? maybe they dont want bad blood and want to hire back? I dont know. [01:30] I am going to plug in and recharge my batterie. I'll be back tomorrow to get this printer shared. [01:30] Old_Fogie: hmmm ... all good points [01:30] mac-: i'm sure you meant "Can anyone help?" as opposed to the way you said it. [01:31] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) left irc: "leaving" [01:31] Oh wait, no I won't be back tomorrow. Sunday. [01:32] mac-: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=338221 [01:32] 9 [01:33] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.184.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:34] ... there's a reference in that bug report to a workaround to a linker script issue - it might be relevant [01:36] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] pjammer (n=nerb@CPE001b63f545f4-CM00194757e7b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [01:39] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:39] can someone tell me if they can reach http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/korea/library.html ? [01:39] You don't have permission to access /~twinreverb/korea/library.html on this server. [01:40] andarius, and what country are you in? [01:40] same for me [01:40] same for me as well [01:40] the one to the left [01:40] lol [01:40] lol [01:40] sweet, .htaccess works [01:40] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:40] apache rocks [01:40] of course. httpd rocks too :P [01:41] TwinReverb, also 403. [01:41] httpd = apache [01:41] (iirc) [01:41] no [01:41] yrw [01:42] httpd != apache?! :( [01:42] httpd is a project of Apache Software Foundation [01:42] httpd = apache 3? [01:42] damn -17F atm coldest night all winter [01:43] Rat409, omg! global warming! [01:43] :D [01:43] no doubt :P [01:43] cold front from the arctic circle weather guy on tv said [01:48] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.176.63) joined ##slackware. [01:49] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [01:49] it's like every year they cry global warming, some place on the globe experiences record lows [01:50] yup [01:50] its a money-making scheme [01:50] it's supposed to get down to single digits here tomarrow night, coldest night in georgia all winter. [01:50] selling carbon credits,green enviro-friendly power [01:50] Dangit I need a new SUV. Write another inconvenient book for my inconvenient addiction. [01:51] nope. upgrade. only supposed to get to 11 tomarrow night now. [01:51] thats cold for georgia [01:52] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.162.26) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:53] My stinkin ac/heater can't keep up [01:54] when they installed the central heat/air unit on this house, they didn't install the emergency heating coils and the unit itself wasn't big enough to keep up with extreme hot or cold weather (extreme by georgia's standards that is) [01:54] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.45) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] .htaccess so easy a cave man can do it [01:55] including the regexps ? :p [01:55] Rat409, 8 deg here too [01:55] yuh [01:56] yup near buffalo, supposed to be colder tomorrow too :( [01:56] saturday supposed to break for us [01:56] Camarade_Tux, this file doesn't use regexp so a cave man (me) really can do it! :D [01:56] yuh we weren't sposed to be this cold tonight,must have come in early [01:56] hehe ;) [01:57] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "school" [02:00] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [02:01] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.176.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:05] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "when chaos breaks out the one who is happy will survive" [02:05] you know, i applied at JCPenny online... and ever since i have been flooded with junk emails.... should i call someone and complain? [02:05] sure lol [02:05] i haven't gotten junk mail on that account since i had it [02:05] Flip the yellow pages open to a random page, then a random point on that page. [02:06] Call that person and complain to them. [02:06] thats fucked up though... [02:06] i shouldnt get 30+ junk emails a day because the system is flawed [02:07] no doubt [02:07] most retail stores require internet for hiring [02:08] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejh107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:08] sycofly (n=chatzill@122-57-142-36.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121621]" [02:08] Cann0n, maybe someone at jcpenny sold a bunch of information to some company for a tidy sum. [02:08] wouldnt surprise me... [02:09] i bet by monday i will be getting 50+ junk emails a day.... which mean i will want to change email addys again [02:10] my old @phreaker.net account... i got almost 1000 in one day [02:10] it starts off some bull shit then it has a snow ball effect [02:10] @i.hacked.your.mom.bx [02:10] ? [02:10] thx forlistening... i feel better [02:10] lol [02:11] @i.hacked.windows.duh ? [02:11] @im.not.sorry.org ? :D [02:11] does this give me the write to graffiti JC Pennys? [02:12] hell,i live 20 miles from Penny Farms.... i would visit the CEO [02:12] just drive by, their wifi is probably wide open lol [02:12] no but it might give you the right [02:12] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [02:12] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:12] or send i should print out the spam mail it to them [02:12] you never have a "right" to hack, but it depends on what we're talking about doing and why and how [02:12] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [02:13] mrselfpwn, lol yeah. i was thinking about tagging/writting [02:13] hehe [02:13] open wifi is open wifi. it's basically already been ruled that open wifi becomes public domain because you left it public domain, essentially. [02:13] lol [02:13] Action: TwinReverb needs a palm pilot [02:13] tell that to the noobs that run the law [02:13] Action: Motoko-chan has a bunch of old Palm V and Vx units [02:13] i'd tell them instead to get a lawyer [02:13] IBM branded. [02:14] Motoko-chan, if they come without wifi/radio and without camera, i can dig it [02:14] very unlikely you get caught anyway [02:14] It's a Palm V. [02:14] i work on the flight line so i cannot have anything that has wifi, rf, or camera [02:14] It uses RS232 for sync. [02:14] spoof your mac address [02:14] man... now i gotta write up junk filters [02:14] Screen is b/w [02:14] giuppy (n=giuppy@host55-169-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:14] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeji81.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Connection timed out [02:14] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:15] i wrote a war-driving script [02:15] Motoko-chan, all i really need is something that tells me when i need to get to an appointment [02:15] This would do it. [02:15] nice [02:15] Action: Motoko-chan has a G1 now [02:15] I kinda miss DateBk5 though [02:15] what does it do Cann0n? [02:15] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d9c3fb06602ffaa8) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [02:16] drives your car so you can sit passenger and use the laptop? [02:16] does anyone remember how to find out what ip address range a domain has been given? (like for instance certain ISPs in the states and certain .mil addresses?) [02:16] Run a whois? [02:17] it changes mac, kills apache, samba and toggles a few icmp thingys [02:17] Or check on web against one of the regional registries. [02:17] TwinReverb, a wife. [02:17] Like ARIN, RIPE, etc. [02:17] ahh [02:17] huh? [02:17] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.45) joined ##slackware. [02:17] its just a toggle [02:18] Action: TwinReverb is now confused [02:18] it would be cool if it drove your car for you too [02:18] It's not really a domain, it's a company. [02:18] anyone know how to find out what net block they have? [02:18] net block? [02:18] Check against the correct regional registry. [02:19] Do you know one of the IPs? [02:19] nullboy was doing it earlier TwinReverb [02:19] what? [02:19] wtf [02:19] what did i do [02:19] lol [02:19] remember when we were looking up 69.69.69.69 [02:19] ip [02:19] You existed. [02:20] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:20] 00.13.37.00 [02:20] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [02:20] Didn't you say it was a us based ip? [02:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:20] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BC6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:21] US-based? no [02:21] Maybe it wasn't nullboy [02:21] oh yeah [02:21] ah ffs i don't remember [02:21] geoip [02:21] Do you have one of the IPs? [02:21] yeah [02:21] good morning ##slackware! [02:21] morning [02:21] geoiplookup 69.69.69.69 [02:21] GeoIP Country Edition: US, United States [02:21] i need to know the ip range given to all United States Air Force at Kunsan air base, South Korea. so everything that's kunsan.af.mil but alas whois doesn't give me any info [02:21] This TLD has no whois server. [02:22] Website IP goes back to Akamai. [02:22] ?! [02:22] If you know one IP, you can find the block it is from. [02:22] i do [02:22] Okay, what is the IP? [02:23] 132.16.115.10 [02:23] so "whois 132.16.115.10" ? [02:23] Yes [02:23] ah i was running it the wrong way [02:23] NetRange: 132.16.0.0 - 132.16.255.255 CIDR: 132.16.0.0/16 NetName: KUNSAN-NET [02:23] There you go. [02:23] It's a /16 [02:24] now start subnetting YAYAYA [02:24] its illegal to give personal information out on the internet isnt it? [02:24] lol [02:24] what personal information? [02:24] Cann0n, not to my knowledge. [02:24] no Cann0n lol [02:24] Although it could depend. [02:24] triplc (n=tri@222.252.8.108) joined ##slackware. [02:24] i mean... [02:24] someone elses? [02:24] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:25] Personal information that is illegal to provide in other ways likely will still get you in trouble online. [02:25] it depends on the information [02:25] like if i apply at JC Penny... and they give my application information out [02:25] Cann0n: ah ha [02:25] no and no [02:25] i know for USAF there's the Privacy Act and there's a list of info that we can't give out by that standard [02:25] you probably didn't read their usage terms [02:25] Cann0n: if you sign a contract that allows them to, its ok, even if creepy [02:25] lol right [02:25] Cann0n, usually they have you sign away to allow that. [02:25] Cann0n has been pwnd by the fine print [02:26] Cann0n: rkhunter :P [02:26] have they more expensive lawyers than you? than its legal [02:26] Cann0n: most credit cards and free internet stuff have it a free-for-all [02:26] i missed the part where they said i will get increasing amounts of spam on an email address i have hand picked the places i use it for in order not to get spam [02:26] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:27] seriosuly...this is new to you? [02:27] Did they say they provided stuff to their affiliate companies? [02:27] Then that means they can give it to anyone. [02:27] are you seriously surprised that you got spammed after giving out an email address? [02:27] i mean srsly guys. [02:27] its fucking JC Penny's application.... [02:27] .... [02:27] So? [02:27] hell you get spammed even when you DON'T give out information [02:27] twinreverb http://www.maxmind.com/app/geolitecity [02:27] you have to now a days [02:28] now if that info came from JC Penny's and they had a privacy statement that said that they will not give out your information, they lied. [02:28] Cann0n: ask around in here, i bet a large number of people have special addresses with filters setup for this exact issue [02:28] TwinReverb, i havent gotten any junk until now [02:28] thats the thing.... [02:28] Now you know better. [02:28] never put a loved email address onto anything like that [02:28] so you could probably sue them but you would have to prove that it was their fault and that it cost you time and/or money, etc [02:28] that's common sense [02:28] i dont have a filter. i shouldnt need one [02:29] I put my resume online once and i'm still getting email and calls from it. Though I did wind up getting a job out of it. [02:29] hahaha [02:29] beyond which there's always going to be a sniffer somewhere, a misconfigured router somewhere, etc. that is life. [02:29] Cann0n: you would like some milk? [02:29] almost everyone runs spamassassin or some spam filtering, and for good reason [02:29] Cann0n: because it sounds like you were born yesterday [02:29] i havent used a filter on this email since i got it last year [02:29] beyond which, the internet is an insecure medium. you cannot trust it one bit. you must then take the necessary precautions [02:29] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [02:29] and/or don tin foil hat as necessary [02:30] you should sue them now that i think about it, they'll school you hardcore style in email address usage [02:30] why do you think (for example) GnuPG exists? :D [02:30] no... i just fail to see how professional that is... when you fill out an application for a job and the do that [02:30] yuh people that post thier resumes on their websiteare ripe for identity theft [02:30] tin foil hats ftw! [02:30] because it's jcpenney cann0n, no offense [02:31] yeah if i had to send someone something with my home address, home phone, etc, i would definitely only do it by physical mail (i.e. not email) or a visit in person to a local store. [02:31] lol either way, i need a job and it dosent matter what.. but sending me spam... thats crossing the line [02:31] lol [02:31] they didn't send it, but they contributed to it [02:32] either way.... i just added jc penny on my hit list.... [02:32] They didn't send it. [02:32] i think it's great. i hate email anyway so i hope spam eventually weens everyone off the currently horrible email systems we are forced to use [02:32] They shared the information with a "partner" who sent it. [02:32] and they will share with their partner and so on and so forth [02:32] should i clarify everything or shall i stop simplifying things? [02:33] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [02:33] it's an unholy spamtastic circle jerking [02:33] haha [02:33] I've never been at such circle but I'll take your word for it [02:33] Action: TwinReverb dons tin foil hat AND goggles [02:33] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [02:33] this is why i keep a hotmail e-mail address just for giving to websites and registereing [02:33] what's the address? [02:33] lol [02:33] i empty 50+ spam messages out of it every day [02:33] lmao [02:33] mrselfpwn, which is why im pissed... it doubles everyday for the rest of that address's life [02:33] brian_s50@hotmail.com . do your worst [02:34] hahaha [02:34] Cann0n: just pretend you won a jackpot [02:34] hba (n=hba@189.188.200.215) left irc: "leaving" [02:34] a coupon jackpot [02:34] YAY [02:34] you know, i dont even get junk mail [02:34] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [02:34] i can fix that for you [02:34] Action: TwinReverb stabs Cann0n [02:34] check this out... [02:34] yes Cann0n. you may be able to unsubscribe to them now before it's too late [02:34] brian_s50@hotmail.com ChangeAdd [02:34] Loading... [02:34] We're unable to retrieve information for this section at this time. We're sorry for the inconvenience, please try again later. [02:34] Action: Motoko-chan puts Cann0n on the DMA lists [02:34] woops. wrong buffer XD [02:35] Cann0n: you do now lol [02:35] hahahaha [02:35] brian_s50@hotmail.com ChangeAdd [02:35] Loading... [02:35] We're unable to retrieve information for this section at this time. We're sorry for the inconvenience, please try again later. [02:35] Channel flood from heret|c -- kicking [02:35] Registered since: January 01, 1995 [02:35] heret|c kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:35] lmao [02:35] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-176-73-197.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] fail [02:35] weird.. that was a copy/paste [02:35] Action: Cann0n deflects TwinReverb saber and sticks a key in TwinReverb's eye. [02:35] anywho. the point of it all.... [02:35] Registered since: January 01, 1995 [02:35] middle click? [02:35] Cann0n, imagination fail [02:36] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b8813c961b46a3bd) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Cann0n: middle click the first time, copy/paste the second. [02:36] i actually got a pretty good visual off that one [02:36] BTW, DMA = http://www.the-dma.org/ [02:36] Cann0n, at least you don't get viagara and cialis stuff sent to you because you signed up at linuxquestions.org as "Old_Fogie" [02:36] lol [02:36] lol [02:36] holy cow just hit -20F,man [02:36] then I get all these "swinger" emails too [02:36] hehe [02:36] thank Heavens the wife dont see my account [02:37] Old_Fogie, better than getting Viagra ads and not needing them [02:37] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:37] TwinReverb, i was going to say suicide bombs you... but i retracted my statement, hence... key... since there is a key here next to me [02:37] yuh lol or having a 4 hour erection [02:37] Hmmmm [02:37] Rat409cicle [02:37] I'm reminded of a Head Trip comic... [02:37] My age ain't nothing good that's 4 hours [02:37] Let me see if I can find it [02:38] those tv commercials crack me up [02:38] Old_Fogie, i didnt get spam from linuxquestions.org [02:38] Rat409, there was a drug out that said "unctrollable bowel movements" which I thnk means diahrea [02:38] forget the drug tho...laughed hard at that one I did [02:38] sounds like [02:40] triplc (n=tri@222.252.8.108) left irc: "leaving" [02:40] i am/was on a drug that could sometimes cause tourettes-like symptoms [02:40] I'm about ready to give up on this ekiga/ssh thing :/ [02:40] salvia? [02:40] "may cause nervous ticks" [02:40] "Do you suffer from stuff? Are you tired? Did you Ate Today? Is your shirt covered in dog hair? If you said no or yes to any of these question, you might be gay. Please... Neuter your pets." [02:40] TwinReverb, which is this? [02:40] straterra [02:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.188.117) joined ##slackware. [02:40] s/Ate/Eat [02:40] you ate straterra ? [02:41] uh no drug ... [02:41] salvia sucks [02:41] lol [02:41] never been brave enough to try it [02:41] yeah i don't like their music :P [02:41] Salvia Derivinium or w/e [02:42] TwinReverb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmPfj_4uqHQ it's not music [02:42] There we are... [02:42] http://headtripcomics.comicgenesis.com/d/20071029.html [02:42] duh it was a joke [02:42] its bullshit. yeah you trip but its for a few seconds... fallowed by a shitty come down [02:42] TwinReverb: i never know with you :P [02:42] Um...trying to run the slackbuild from http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/qt4/ and I get a qt4.SlackBuild: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied [02:42] error [02:43] then you dont have the right permissions.... duh [02:43] did you chmod +x it? [02:43] yes [02:43] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.176.63) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:43] Oh...wait, my /tmp folder is noexec [02:43] maybe that's it [02:43] almost certainly [02:44] You can always change the temporary directory in the script. [02:44] No comments on the comic? [02:44] violator (n=violator@hd5e2781d.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) joined ##slackware. [02:45] i hate comics [02:45] working at a comic book store helped that [02:45] It involves spam. [02:45] hi, if there are new packages posted do I run slackpkg update followed by re-install? or upgrade? [02:45] i hate spam... [02:46] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejh107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:46] Exactly, so you'd like that one. [02:46] violator: update && upgrade-all [02:46] what's a linux program that I can use to show my desktop to windows users? [02:46] Kind of like Windows conferencing [02:46] redtricycle: vnc [02:46] lol [02:47] VNC works well, yep. [02:47] It's cross-platform too. [02:47] nullboy: does that work if it's a new package that has same version i.e. recompile or such? [02:47] violator: yes [02:47] too hungry to go to sleep [02:47] So...everytime I reinstall slackware (12.0, 12.1, 12.2) [02:47] nullboy: nice.. thanks. [02:47] I have to recompiling qt4 [02:47] otherwise it doesnt work [02:48] is there a reason why? [02:48] o_o [02:48] sombody should port my slapt_update script for slackpkg [02:48] if i was to click the Unsubscribe link in the spam, and put * as my email, will i have unsubscribed everyone on there list? [02:48] redtricycle: well it makes sense for version jumps that had toolchain changes [02:48] violator (n=violator@hd5e2781d.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) left ##slackware. [02:48] Cann0n: if they have a command injection vuln maybe [02:49] then i might be a eVigilante [02:49] Yessss [02:49] Cann0n: improper input field validation ftl [02:50] wouldnt be surpised, spam sites are generally not built to be robust since they are the ones already doing the exploiting [02:50] lol [02:51] there is a firefox plugin that automatically tells you if a site you are at has an injection vulnerability [02:51] it's hilarious [02:51] they also aren't rigorous about backups, so if you can determine that they use a sql-capable database somewhere, some SQL-injection can wipe them out pretty well [02:51] hah no shit [02:51] nullboy: how does it know? [02:51] redtricycle: it tests for them [02:51] probably tries a suite of testes [02:51] err tests [02:51] ROTFL [02:51] heh testes, one, two, three? [02:51] what a typp [02:51] o [02:51] Action: Motoko-chan is reminded of an XKCD about Bobby Tables [02:52] lol [02:52] http://xkcd.com/327/ [02:52] "why yes, my son's name is bobby drop table * [02:52] There we are [02:53] meet the wife, * Smith [02:53] hahah - close enough :) [02:53] lmao [02:53] bobby drop table [02:53] omfg [02:53] Now that everyone is clicking, go read this one from Head Trip: http://headtripcomics.comicgenesis.com/d/20071029.html [02:54] you know, I've never been to goat(something).cx because I've always know it was bad [02:54] heh, reminds me of the dangers of the bash 'eval' command [02:54] I have no idea what's there [02:54] i dont like those comics... :P not about weed or skating [02:55] eval without proper input filtering leads to the same type of arbitrary code execution attack [02:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:55] Not checking *any* input will get you in trouble. [02:55] It's safest to be paranoid. [02:55] [ in bed ] :) [02:55] i'm about to destroy a fly with a supersonic towel snap [02:55] lolk [02:55] rk4n3, :) [02:56] yeah, thats how i figured out how to steal admin on Tribes [02:56] hmm, that reminds me. i want to get a bullet shrimp [02:56] err, pistol shrimp [02:56] not bullet [02:56] i want sea monkeys [02:56] [ in bed ] [02:56] .... oh its too much fun [02:56] hope you two have fun in bed [02:56] lol funny comic [02:56] i dont have a bed [02:56] Action: slackytude has always fun [ in bed ] [02:57] mrselfpwn, which one? [02:57] the spam email one [02:57] i have a futon [02:57] ive slept in a bed once a few years ago i think [02:57] the pistol shrimp can close its claws so fast that it actually forms an unstable bubble that collapses so fast that it produces a shockwave and temperature of the surface of the sun [02:57] thats one bad ass shrimp [02:57] is that a special kind of fun ... "always" fun ? :) [02:58] futon, couch, floor, tent or car [02:58] mrselfpwn, indeed. [02:58] my futon never gets folded out [02:58] Head Trip is just great fun [02:58] i bought a 15F sleeping bag and brought it home last night, opened it up to test it and the zipper retainer ripped off on the first zipper pull. [02:58] little bobby tables [02:58] fail bag was full of fail [02:58] lol [02:59] SiegeX, it catches prey by stunning them [02:59] man, that tables one was funny [02:59] Motoko-chan: head trip is about women? [02:59] No. [02:59] Motoko-chan: o_o [02:59] It's about snark [02:59] makes a loud pop [02:59] Motoko-chan: what's snark? [02:59] snark is a prison term [02:59] you dont want to know what a snark is [03:00] snark is a prison term for buttersticks :D [03:00] http://headtripcomics.comicgenesis.com/d/20060305.html [03:00] You are running opera, you have to enable referrers: <--- headtrip [03:00] lol [03:00] There is another good issue [03:00] don't run opera [03:00] and get rid of QT [03:00] nope, no referr [03:00] ln -s refer /dev/denied [03:00] "sarcastic and irreverent, usually out of irritation" [03:00] it smells in here. dont breath air [03:01] Interesting message. [03:01] lol [03:01] ush (n=ush@syru217-095.syr.edu) joined ##slackware. [03:01] this is the best write up yet http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.9/pod/perlrequick.pod [03:01] hello there [03:01] does anybody know how to set up netcfg with WPA/TKIP [03:01] headtrip looks fun [03:01] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.188.117) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:01] 'netcfg' [03:01] ? [03:01] 'netcfg' [03:01] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:01] netcfg? [03:01] you write these little profiles [03:01] and it configures your network ;) [03:01] wicd? [03:01] hey, would i have any problems chrooting into a slackware system from debian, mounting /dev and /proc? [03:01] wicd is evidently running but [03:01] that's about all i can figure out [03:02] and it's at /var/run/wicd/wicd.pid ;) [03:02] ... [03:02] ush: doesn't sound like a slackware issue [03:02] it's a linux issue [03:02] what the hell do you guys do for WPA/TKIP [03:02] nullboy, well it's in extra, so "shrug" dunno [03:02] ush, I configure the wpa conf file [03:02] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b8813c961b46a3bd) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:02] ush: i use wpa_supplicant and the stock networking scripts... [03:02] wpa_supplicant.conf [03:02] yeah. i suck at remembering... but i dont recall netcfg [03:02] now how do i do that ;) [03:02] wpasupplicant [03:02] i have a few lines [03:02] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] ush, you can try wpa_gui too [03:03] for on the fly [03:03] i can now [03:03] brb [03:03] but wicd is suppoesd to be good I hear [03:03] don't threaten us [03:03] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.185.166) joined ##slackware. [03:03] nullboy, hahah [03:03] say that to your wife [03:03] she'll deck you [03:03] nullboy, nice perl crash course [03:03] now, now [03:03] let's just be glad that none of us are ubuntu users [03:04] ush: prove it [03:04] Action: Old_Fogie ain't [03:04] Action: Motoko-chan is a Mandriva user... [03:04] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aebee2fcd3732756) joined ##slackware. [03:04] duryodhan (i=cb53f820@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aebee2fcd3732756) left irc: Client Quit [03:04] Although I run Slackware on all my servers. [03:04] execbot (i=SiegeX@c-71-198-5-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] -bash: apt-get: command not found [03:04] ush: grep rdi /etc//inittab [03:04] I run my abbaccus on zipslack [03:04] Old_Fogie, wicd is ok. i like wifi-radar better [03:04] lol apt-get [03:04] no output [03:05] ok you fail. [03:05] them gui apts are just a pita, they're always some "gotcha"; I just script it, and be done. [03:05] no you fail [03:05] s/ush/sush [03:05] ~$ grep rdi /etc//inittab [03:05] # Modified by: Patrick J. Volkerding, [03:05] j/k [03:05] nullboy: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' [03:05] it's not slack [03:05] it's not ubuntu though [03:05] check out my bot [03:05] ush: so... [03:05] # echo foo{1..4} [03:05] ush, A Slackware fork? [03:05] i figured you guys might have a reasonable solution rather than mucking around for hours on end with wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd [03:05] Akuma3 (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:05] SiegeX: foo1 foo2 foo3 foo4 [03:06] fork of a fork [03:06] ush, if it's a fork then the door is ----> way [03:06] # whoami [03:06] why [03:06] SiegeX: root [03:06] Old_Fogie, true that. i like scripted ones. wicd isnt so bad now that im running fluxbox with a systray [03:06] SuSE is a fork of Slackware, interestingly. [03:06] ush: you have to answer this question at least, it's ok that you don't run slackware but what was it that brought you here instead to more specific channel? [03:06] ush, this is ##slackware not ##forks [03:06] knowing that you guys can build things from scratch [03:06] and actually handle [03:06] ush: ok thanks [03:07] individual tasks [03:07] as opposed to running everything through [03:07] sudogtk and [03:07] uh [03:07] compiz [03:07] i can build a sand castle from scratch [03:07] i can ride my bike with no handle bars [03:07] i can do both of those things [03:07] i can jerk off with both hands [03:07] and nude, too [03:07] I can walk and chew gum! [03:07] you came from the ubuntu community didnt you ush? [03:07] ush: so you need to get wpa_supplicant working? [03:07] ush, TMI [03:08] yes, nullboy [03:08] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.97.126) left irc: Client Quit [03:08] ush: i will post you an example wpa-tkip wpa_supplicant.conf file [03:08] i would pastebin my wpa_supplicant.conf were it not for my contained password [03:08] one sec [03:08] and inability to connect to the internet [03:08] how are you here now? [03:08] tin can and barb wire? [03:08] :) [03:09] Old_Fogie, cons and string 12 baud dial up [03:09] a system of several hundred people shouting instructions [03:09] awwww you beat me [03:09] Bongos. [03:09] to one guy with a NeXTStePP box [03:09] smoke signals [03:09] also, we are all nude [03:09] im not. its cold here in florida [03:10] i wonder where nullboy went [03:10] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:10] He's off throwing up. [03:10] he was probably grossed out by the nude comment, he's very religous [03:10] ush http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9685 [03:10] TCP/IP via Bongo drums: http://eagle.auc.ca/~dreid/ [03:10] lol [03:10] "...bongo drums" lol [03:11] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [03:11] ush: to test things we can just create a test config file and manually run wpa_supplicant [03:11] Serious. [03:11] 2bps! [03:11] or we could not since a forks a fork of course of course [03:11] lol [03:11] ush: what type of wireless card do you have and what is the interface name? [03:11] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [03:11] Unless that fork is the famous Mr Ed. [03:11] realtek 8139 [03:11] wlan0 [03:11] Motoko-chan, good memory :) [03:11] 8139cp and 8139too from lsmod [03:12] 8139 is not wireless. [03:12] ... that's a spin-off of the old "IP over carrier pigeon" routine, seems to me :) [03:12] i bet i could come up with a slower form of communication that is costly and very bad for the environment [03:12] it's a broadcom dealio [03:12] hold on.. [03:12] It's crappy Realtek ethernet wired. [03:12] Action: Motoko-chan guesses it's probably using b43 [03:12] right, b43 [03:12] yeah [03:12] ok [03:12] i know how to train those pigeons rk4n3 [03:13] the firmware is installed and all [03:13] Old_Fogie, I loved watching Mr Ed on Nick At Nite. [03:13] And that other show with the monkies. [03:13] monkeys. [03:13] Cann0n: no training necessary - 1.4 million years of evolution already took care of that ;) [03:13] ush: just create a config for tkip like a posted and then, as root, run: wpa_supplicant -ddd -Dwext -iwlan0 -c /path/to/test/wpa_supplicant.conf [03:13] Not the band. The actual animals. [03:14] Motoko-chan, ah ok [03:14] chimp TV ? [03:14] rk4n3, i mean so you get your ip to the right place.... and not mrs. winters bird brothel front yard [03:14] Cann0n: haha :) [03:14] lol [03:14] Yeah, possibly. [03:14] It's been ages so I don't remember it sell. [03:15] this looks like something's working [03:15] Action: rk4n3 wanders over to imdb.com [03:15] i wonder what this 'hpsetup' network is... [03:15] ush: now in a different terminal start dhcpcd on wlan0 [03:15] b43 = pain in the ass [03:15] ush, please deposit $0.25 for next 3 minutes of fork support [03:15] well, wpa_supplicant hasn't found the AP yet [03:15] :) [03:15] kernel overheating [03:15] ush: then something is wrong [03:15] room on fire!!! [03:15] moning [03:15] ah, "The Chimp Channel" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0202721 [03:16] ush, is the button on? [03:16] can you pastebin the output of wpa_supplicant? [03:16] Cann0n, it can be [03:16] yes [03:16] hit the wifi button once and rescan [03:16] yes, we will see your keys [03:16] and no [03:16] lol [03:16] all these community sucks [03:16] nullboy, do you have myspace [03:16] KidpunkX, which? [03:16] KidpunkX: wtf [03:16] these stupid communities [03:16] nullboy, he wants to be your huckleberry I s'pose [03:16] like myspace facebook hi5 [03:16] KidpunkX: a/s/l [03:16] KidpunkX, this one is the only one that puts up with my ass... so... all but this one [03:17] i have mypants [03:17] oh no [03:17] what have i done!! [03:17] ? [03:17] KidpunkX, myspace and facebook suck [03:17] omg omg omg 15/f/cali here teehee [03:17] i erased my psk [03:17] fail [03:17] Action: KidpunkX agrees with Cann0n [03:17] KidpunkX: you prefer myspace and facebook to technical IRC channels ? begone, foul imp of blasphemy [03:17] you guys should look at craigslist then [03:18] damndedest thing - twice now this laptop's lost net connection, restarted inet1 and it locked hard... [03:18] facebook is for sheep [03:18] rk4n3, never [03:18] nullboy, i did [03:18] don't say the word "sheep" in here ush [03:18] myspace is for sheep's sheep [03:18] why did they upgrade xterm [03:18] was something wrong with it [03:18] KidpunkX: oh, then you're OK [03:18] :) [03:18] if you like myspace, craigslist is like a wild west whore house [03:18] sheep you Old_Fogie [03:18] ever since i've gotten slackware i i';ve been more into scritping and irc :-P [03:18] craigslist has it ALL.. hookers, personal ads, dating [03:18] heret|c, :) [03:18] its sad cause its basically my life [03:18] KidpunkX, its like crack [03:18] KidpunkX: thats sad.. very very sad [03:18] nullboy, like the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas [03:18] ever since i got xmonad [03:18] KidpunkX: welcome to the club, kid [03:18] lol [03:18] i can't be doing less than 9 things at once [03:19] ush: i can't be doing more then 1 thing at once. [03:19] so here we are [03:19] what? sorry i was listening to music, what did you say? [03:19] i was talking to Cann0n [03:19] i some too much pot and cant remember shit... hence my 9 years of slackware-ness and i stall feel like a noob [03:19] jerk! [03:19] but you guys may not know each other and its sad tell my personal life to you guys but shiat i trust irc more then i trust people to people face to face [03:20] ush, what? [03:20] well you shouldn't [03:20] your ISP gives your web traffic to the FBI [03:20] .. [03:20] so [03:20] brb, van's here [03:20] FBI cant trace you if you manage your iptables right [03:20] KidpunkX, careful, some of us are underage boys who are actually FBI agents. [03:20] lol [03:20] KidpunkX, may I ask how old you are? [03:20] the FBI waits for them to give them mine, they want mine because i bookmark all the really 1337 stuff only [03:20] KidpunkX: its not a matter of trust, its a matter of (assumed) anonymity [03:20] i'm not sure that's actually true [03:20] i dont do any illegal stunt [03:20] the only anonymity is through encrypted darknets [03:21] and shit like freenet [03:21] i have a clear concious [03:21] so the law dictates your conscience [03:21] ush: all assumed still. if they wanted you, they'd find you regardless :P [03:21] ush, I have a bridge to sell you. [03:21] ush: that's why I specified *assumed* [03:21] this is going to end poorly [03:21] i can feel it [03:21] Akuma (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:21] if the FBI wants to bust a pot head who dosent go more than 5 over the speed limit and never did anything wrong to anyone.... so be it [03:21] no, nullboy, that's my hand. sorry [03:21] Actually. [03:21] it just so happens that they do [03:22] I've got some ocean-front property in Arizona. [03:22] And if you'll buy that, I'll throw the Golden Gate in free. [03:22] Cann0n, no, that's the DEA. [03:22] Cann0n: they'll waterboard your ass and make you tell them where you got it [03:22] haha [03:22] well they can barge into my door and try to find evidence to bust me and i bet you guys will end up suing them for it because i bet you anyone on irc is just innocent [03:22] nullboy, earth [03:22] real criminals are out on the streets killiong other people [03:23] KidpunkX: um... huh ? [03:23] yeah [03:23] If only the criminals could just kill each other... [03:23] i met a guy today who did time 10 for fraud.... [03:23] KidpunkX: so people who steal credit card numbers online and use them to buy mail-order brides aren't criminals ? [03:23] motoko-chan: that's not how it works [03:23] that sounds like a good idea actually.... brb [03:23] heret|c, thats illgal and i aint stupid to do something stupid [03:24] what if you made sure you couldn't get caught [03:24] 10 years in prison for fraud.... but for a DUI manslaughter, how much do people normally got for that? [03:24] go to a wireless cafe, spoof your MAC [03:24] ush: no such thing [03:24] go through tor+privoxy [03:24] they're already there waitingo n you [03:24] Cann0n, depends on the lawyer [03:24] in an exit node in a different country [03:24] how are you going to get caught [03:24] because if you thought of it, they've already thought of it and put in a counter measure [03:25] what if there is no counter measure [03:25] ush: here's an eye opener for you...guess who owns the exchange where those main onion routers are.... [03:25] slackytude, either may, 10 years is a long time compared to some folks that commit a violent crime(s) [03:25] ush: theres ALWAYS a counter measure [03:25] not ALWAYS [03:25] if you blindfold a man [03:25] yes ALWAYS [03:25] he can't tell you how many fingers you're holding up [03:25] some can [03:25] interesting [03:25] not with enough layers of cloth [03:25] even with [03:25] nope [03:25] ush, he has a 1 out of 10 chance of guessing it though [03:25] yes [03:26] and under a proper darknet [03:26] ideally a global one [03:26] they have a 1/6.5*10^9 chance [03:26] ush, they'll still find you [03:26] anything illegal is when you get caught but if you dont get caught your legal so always stay legal [03:26] ush: I think the bottom line is that dishonest behavior is no good, and society will stop at nothing to deal with it, which ends up hurting us all [03:26] everything you do is bad [03:26] and encryption is dishonesty? [03:26] unless the person holding up the fingers was missing some... or holding up someone elses [03:26] ush: you are completely neglecting the fact that someone owns the data exchanges. someone has access to it at some point [03:26] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [03:26] not if it's encrypted beyond reasonable access [03:27] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [03:27] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:27] Cann0n: they can smell it :P [03:27] shiat ilike non graphic content [03:27] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-5d5802854aa30892) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:27] onion routers don't just toss the data around, the layers are encrypted [03:27] wasn't "tor" made by the government,...and then the...oh I don't know...gave it away ? hmm.. [03:27] ush: no, encryption is not dishonest, but planning dishonest activity and using encryption to cover it up is, well, just as dishonest as the planned activity [03:27] hello all [03:27] dtanner, hello [03:27] *yawn* [03:27] crime doesnt pay [03:27] what if the dishonest activity would actually give you back what you, personally, were robbed? [03:27] ...as well as politics [03:27] masterx831 (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [03:28] i wento bed early at like 07:00 pm [03:28] dtanner, yes I'm about to got to bed myself [03:28] dtanner, oh wow, ahah [03:28] now I am up at 02:30 am [03:28] ush crime to counter act crime is still crime [03:28] ush: ever hear about "two wrongs don't make a right" ? [03:28] THE bottom line is dont do illegal things unless you want to pay the price.... with that said, remember violent dumb crimes seem to get you in less trouble that smart crimes (smart as being computer related for example) [03:28] dtanner, I'm known to do that, fall asleep in the chair [03:28] i heard about it [03:28] ever heard about robin hood? [03:28] but one left and one right make a null [03:28] Old_Fogie, addicted to irc [03:28] ush you're smelling more and more like a troll [03:28] ? [03:28] Old_Fogie: i crashed after dinner and just woke up [03:28] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [03:28] masterx831, are you on non graphic [03:28] that's a function of your definition of 'troll' [03:28] Old_Fogie, heh [03:28] more and more [03:28] KidpunkX: yes [03:28] lol [03:29] :) [03:29] slackytude, yeah... robin went to grandmothers house [03:29] ush: rationalization of crime is a futile pursuit, unless you goal is crime [03:29] i smell a kickban brewing [03:29] Old_Fogie: I might as well put on sme coffee and install the compix-fusion , now instead of the stock compiz I long for the extra features in compiz-fusion [03:29] little red robin hood [03:29] Cann0n: LOL [03:29] Cann0n, eh, yeah, sure [03:29] there are 'crimes' that are both rational and just [03:29] dtanner, uh oh ..sounds like someone's hooked [03:29] is that such a leap [03:29] lol [03:29] Old_Fogie: my gf bought me a bout 6 kick ass stogies last night on her way home from work [03:30] considering how malleable most people's definitions of morals are... [03:30] crimes are wrong regardless of the intent [03:30] dtanner, oooh that was nice of her. [03:30] ush: well, certainly not all laws are virtuous, but that's a different matter [03:30] do you guys just type lol or do you guys actually laught [03:30] Old_Fogie: I have been known to fire up a stogie in the wee hours of the morning =) [03:30] http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F15%2F151223&from=rss [03:30] is it? [03:30] same, had one a lil while ago [03:30] Old_Fogie: yeah she does it all the time ! good woman [03:30] and trolling is trolling regardless of the content of the conversation. [03:30] hahaha i just laugh in my mind as i type it [03:30] Action: mordy waits for socrates [03:30] ush, if you are hungry and broke do you steal? or have you never been put in that hard spot before? [03:30] man, lot of talk this morning [03:30] whats up? [03:30] had a big fat optimo [03:30] dont you people have jobs [03:30] ush: yes, I believe it is - dishonesty is what it is, regardless of law [03:30] slackytude: successful troll [03:30] speaking of laws check this out [03:30] http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F15%2F151223&from=rss [03:30] we all do [03:31] sokrates lege: oi neoi kalo estein [03:31] i'm no troll [03:31] slackytude, no... lol [03:31] -->cigarette [03:31] have a meetign with government [03:31] Old_Fogie: and yeah I am hooked on the compiz ( I thnk there is a therapy group for "hooked on code and linux" group somewhere [03:31] opening up my bussiness with computer repair [03:31] ush: that's what they all say. [03:31] might get trainning [03:31] maybe they don't see themselves as trolls [03:31] Old_Fogie: Optimo ? ring gaugu 60 ? [03:31] dtanner, called Microsoft [03:31] dtanner, hahah. to be honest, with a good video card, it truly adds so many things to window management, that 'metacity' lacks [03:31] what WM [03:32] Old_Fogie, dtanner I disabled pretty much everything from compiz except expose [03:32] dtanner, as metacity is so basic...makes the gnome enviro as powerfule as KDE, or XFCE for window related matters, plus all the eye candy stuff is cool too. [03:32] in slackware can i check for hd errors? [03:32] fluxbox for the win. bells and whistles fail [03:32] e17 < fluxbox < openbox < xmonad [03:32] e17? [03:32] slackytude, yea expose is very nice. [03:32] xmond? [03:32] Action: dtanner looks for the "expose" plugin to see if it comes with the stock compiz [03:32] look em up [03:33] there already [03:33] Old_Fogie, yeah, usefull too. good looking and usefull! [03:33] e17 is 'enlightenment' [03:33] lol @ e17 being in that list. [03:33] expose == virtual strip bar? [03:33] slackytude, I use it on my netbook :) [03:33] UK is blacklisting the wayback when machine [03:33] Enlightenment... ah... dont like that one [03:33] masterx831, like fsck? [03:33] slackytude, it's very useful for them small screen devices I find. [03:33] mordy, expose will show you all desktops in a row [03:33] mrselfpwn: wanna repeat that some more, i'm sure some of us may care if you do :P [03:33] hiptobecubic: let me try [03:34] Old_Fogie: you use compiz on your lappy? with expose plugin ? i can't find expose in the stock compiz [03:34] masterx831, be careful, don't do it if it's mounted [03:34] slackytude, i still only use a single desktop [03:34] mordy, O_o [03:34] i have four [03:34] you need to run fsck on a rebbot iirc [03:34] s/rebbot/reboot [03:34] heret|c you might be next [03:34] Cann0n, you just can't do it on a mounted filesystem [03:34] dtanner, I have 'compiz-fusion' that's what I use. I launch it from the compiz-fusion-icon application. [03:34] a write mounted [03:34] oh? hold on lemme check my pockets.... [03:34] lol [03:35] ah. yeah thats what i meant [03:35] Old_Fogie: I see , you mess with "cube" ? [03:35] hiptobecubic: oh shiat it is mounted [03:35] Old_Fogie, i tried to setup compiz-fusion here and had a terrible failure. [03:35] i just use plain xfce4 with some sensors on the side [03:35] i assumed he ment HIS harddrive he was running now :P [03:35] damn [03:35] I might as well start coffee here, I am wide awake [03:35] Old_Fogie: same here but courtesy of gsb [03:35] nope. no shit to give. guess i can't give a shit then [03:35] hiptobecubic, used the SBo stuff? [03:35] ex lax may help [03:35] Action: dtanner fires a up a box pressed edge Toro rocky patel [03:35] puff puff [03:35] <[MA]Amine> morning everybody :) [03:35] masterx831, is it your root ? if no then just unmount it. if so then you'll have to reboot and force it. read man shutdown [03:36] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [03:36] i set it up just to impress less-computer savvy folks [03:36] <[MA]Amine> can I have a free copy of Linux System Commands (Paperback) of Patrick volkerding :P [03:36] slackytude, yeah, but who knows if i did it correctly. it was awhile ago. in my early days :D [03:36] sure. it'll be free after you pay for it [MA]Amine [03:36] <[MA]Amine> hhhhhhhhhhh [03:36] <[MA]Amine> I have no money I am poor :P [03:36] hiptobecubic, eh, [03:37] and please don't tell me you tried to spell "anime" with your name? [03:37] i'm just trying to increase performance on hd because it sounds like rice crispie when it loads [03:37] maamin == faithful [03:37] believer [03:37] how long has SBo been out? [03:37] slackytude, eh? [03:37] and i was on root lol [03:37] hiptobecubic, wasnt sure how to finish that sentence. how about: eh, fail [03:37] slackytude, fair enough [03:38] lmao [03:38] i only started using SBo's 10 months ago [03:38] /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 1652 MB in 2.00 seconds = 826.30 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 136 MB in 3.08 seconds = 44.19 MB/sec [03:38] Old_Fogie: and Cann0n have you ever had your hd that sounds like rice crispie [03:38] <[MA]Amine> heret|c: what do you mean ? [03:38] dtanner, where's thst from?> [03:38] what do you mean "what do you mean" ? [03:38] ^^ that poretyy fast ofor todays high speed hdds? [03:38] pretty* [03:39] i get 90MB/s :P [03:39] I have yet to set anything with hdparm [03:39] dtanner, ( or anyone else interested in buildsys for compiz fusion) use Slackbuilds.org with following: http://pastebin.com/d4f92abd3 [03:39] masterx831, like a scratching noise? [03:39] <[MA]Amine> heret|c: you said :'and please don't tell me you tried to spell "anime" with your name? ' [03:39] Cann0n: lol yeah i jsut call it a cereal lol [03:39] night everyone be well peace and i'm out. [03:39] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:40] masterx831, no not that I can remember. [03:40] [MA]Amine: what don't you understand about that? it seems pretty straight forward to me. [03:40] masterx831, ive had my rotors go bad before [03:40] masterx831, the kickin' chicken' ? Time to replace it before you lose all your data [03:40] hell, this hd sounds like that sometimes [03:41] it seems fine... except that time my swap partition disappeared [03:41] Old_Fogie: thanks [03:41] Old_Fogie: i forgot your rich probrably sitting there with 300gb, 4gb of ram and a nice geoforce 7800 lol [03:41] <[MA]Amine> heret|c: 'Anime' can mean Animal or animate.. so what did you mean with it exactly ? [03:41] well this is only a WD 80gb old [03:42] i trust WD they never go bad [03:42] but i figured it out. im good at hand on figuring out.... just recalling what i did is another story [03:42] his rich sitting where ? [03:42] masterx831, actuall I do have alot of hd space, but...I'm cheap on all other components. [03:42] dtanner, your welcome. [03:42] Old_Fogie: buildsys ? [03:42] his welcome. ;> [03:42] once i had a HD that died on me and i turned it upside down and ity worked [03:42] [MA]Amine: anime is never used for animal.. where are you from? [03:43] http://www.techcult.com/uh-about-that-porn-you-watched/ [03:43] masterx831, i turned one into a speaker before [03:43] Old_Fogie: you mean to add that to any compiz-related Slackbuild scripts ? [03:43] dtanner, yes a dive and build system that you can use with Slackbuilds.org is how I did that. You untar their sources, make sure their appname.SlackBuild is executable, and the script dives into each folder listed in that order, builds and installs then goes to the next. [03:43] Cann0n: HOW? lmao that would look funny haha [03:43] Old_Fogie: sweet [03:43] dtanner, see how it lists the folders there [03:43] yup [03:43] it goes down one by one [03:43] builds..then installes [03:43] nice [03:43] then goes to next [03:43] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "rehash" [03:43] masterx831, you can get sound out of a ton of things lol [03:44] <[MA]Amine> heret|c: I am from Morocco, and my name in arabic means THE LOYAL so It's so far from your definition :) [03:44] Old_Fogie, how much of this buildchain are you using? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/ccsm/ [03:44] puff puff [03:44] I ?"should"? have the folders namedd correctly, just double check before you run it..it'll fail if it's not right. [03:44] Action: dtanner gives in and makes coffee [03:44] brb [03:44] mics and motors [03:44] Stx_ (n=d9ae413d@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [03:44] hiptobecubic, I built everything I belive at the time when I put that together. [03:45] AMN = triliteral semitic verb root meaning "trustworthy", "Reliable" [03:45] compizconfig-backend-gconf? that seems unnecessary without gconf.... [03:45] the reason HD goes bad because processor lacks because it heats up and messes up hd [03:45] [MA]Amine: cool. see we all learn something new [03:45] hiptobecubic, it's listed as optional on th elist you gave.I build gnome so yea I build that. [03:45] oh ok [03:45] having trouble setting up my sensors still reading on man sensors [03:45] feel free to tweak whichever you want. [03:45] heret|c, "Amen" is a related word [03:45] i hate gnome and idont think slack has it [03:46] god this so much more tolerable with sbopkg. when they get queuing under control life will be complete. [03:46] hiptobecubic, as long as the folder names from SBo match my script you're good, that is the names in my script..the folder names of SBo ...they ?should? be right..if not modify the script..not the folder of SBo. [03:46] agrees with hiptobecubic [03:46] here http://www.usbmadesimple.co.uk/ [03:46] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:47] hiptobecubic, I got that style from rworkman's buildscript for xfce in /source/xap/xfce he does that same style there...that was my inspiration ya know. [03:47] xfce is like 28 apps [03:47] it's not that i demand at once no internet [03:47] but at once a butter internet! [03:47] i some how feel scared when doing sbopkg's because it might damage file systems [03:47] but you see only one package in Slackware, that's due to rworkman's smarts in that script [03:47] Old_Fogie, what is this script you refer to? [03:47] <[MA]Amine> heret|c: OK ! so plz don't spoil my journey ;) [03:47] http://pastebin.com/d4f92abd3 [03:48] hiptobecubic, ^^ [03:48] Old_Fogie: that is a nice simple efffective buildsys there. thanks [03:48] ush (n=ush@syru217-095.syr.edu) left irc: "leaving" [03:48] dtanner, like I said, just be sure my names listed there match SBo's and you'll be fine (well at least I am, heh) :) [03:48] yup =) [03:48] Action: dtanner smells and hears the coffee brewing [03:48] i heard in linux, that theres sometihng liek the registery int he file system tha t cant be messe with [03:49] but I have the optional stuff in there too dtanner as I run gnome, and built all of it just cuz [03:49] Old_Fogie: I have a feeeling I will be installing compiz-fusion tonight [03:49] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: "Leaving" [03:49] you can easily mess with anything in linux; that's why i like it [03:49] and also get an idea of what you're doing and what's happening [03:50] if Jesus was real, and he used linux,what distro would it be? Slackware 12.1 or 12.2? [03:50] dtanner, I have all my replacements for slackware, my gnome...and then all my slackbuilds.org, alienbob, rworkman, slackyeu buildscripts in one master script that effectively uses that style of buildscript..."build-all-old-fogie-distro.sh" [03:50] Jesus uses mac [03:50] hehe [03:50] lol [03:50] dtanner, just a "./buil..." and walk away [03:50] dive and build and install [03:50] Old_Fogie: I like [03:51] Old_Fogie: I wonder how many people are smoking a rocky patel edge at 2-3 am in the morning besides me right now ? +) haha [03:51] ok, how would i go about installing an entire package set to a different partition? [03:51] dtanner, yea, I mean , everytime there's a firefox security update..that means I have to replace xulrunner..which means about 60 apps in gnome get affected on average 25 times per year (give or take)...so yea buildsystem is the ony way [03:51] masterx831, gnome has stuff like the win registry [03:51] Action: [MA]Amine I am not Christian but I think that what you say can upset a lot of Christians and this is not our goal as community :) [03:51] mordy, use the -root switch of installpkg [03:52] Old_Fogie: they always act like I am buying this "very strong cogar" or something at the cogar shop, most peoople buy the natural patels in general , I just Love the maduro though [03:52] slackytude: you can probrably install IE under wine in a heart beat lol i've had on 90% under xfce but crasdhes [03:52] dtanner, smoking a what? [03:52] masterx831, what has that to do with it? [03:52] dtanner, good stuff tho, heh [03:52] masterx831, and ie under wine is evil [03:52] well, off to bed all. night night. [03:53] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:53] Cann0n: Rocky Patel "maduro "Edge" cigar [03:53] me too in a minute but you guys are addicting me into conversation ' [03:53] why would you do ie underwine? firefox is bloaty enough as it is [03:53] its very educational [03:53] is it filled with weed? [03:53] lmao [03:53] I wish , but I would not mix the two [03:53] hehe [03:53] well [03:53] slackytude, would i need to configure anything else thereafter? would it add the other root to my path etc? [03:54] puff puff, ah the coffee is ready [03:54] brb [03:54] well its good to know how to make everythign work [03:54] basically what i want to do is install all compilers and source on a different medium, since it has no use on the native system [03:54] hiptobecubic, FF is bloated, but it is a great browser [03:54] i grew up with mozilla [03:54] Cann0n, sure. but IE is bloated and it's NOT a great browser [03:54] me too [03:54] but i nevertheless will need it for building stuff using nfs and chroot fromo a different system [03:54] ok help me with [03:54] so i feel naked without it [03:54] www.gunzonline.com [03:55] mordy, it would install everything to other root. Your regular root wont be affected in any way [03:55] I was a netscaper way back when it wasn't normal to have the internet [03:55] need IE browser and i have IE addon for firefox [03:55] what is emerald? [03:56] slackytude, but what i want is precisely for the regular root to be affected [03:56] and it does work with ff addon but crashes [03:56] hiptobecubic, oh... lol IE isnt even a real program... its a bunch of random scripts from dos games with a fancy wrapper.... [03:56] mordy, what is it you want to do? [03:56] :D [03:56] slackytude: i want to install all compilers on a different medium [03:56] i hate IE with a passion [03:56] mordy, all compilers? [03:57] gcc? [03:57] me too [03:57] basically gcc :P [03:57] it thinks it s better than ff [03:57] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [03:57] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:57] but basically everything else relating to compiling and source [03:57] heard windows is tryign to put linux out [03:57] for good [03:57] I was wikipediaing at first [03:57] mordy, uh, why? [03:57] IE is big POS [03:57] so is PGP the best encryption? [03:57] masterx831, no secret there. [03:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:58] slackytude, because the system i'm running is very slow. but i can chroot into it via nfs and use the processing power of another computer to compile stuff [03:58] and this systemm also has limited space [03:58] dont know why window is th eone gtting hacked every day [03:59] i seen the new windows 7 and its already hacked [03:59] i hate QWERTY, Window (and pals) and pubic lice as much as those suicide bombers hate the fact that the 50 virgins ended up being all smelly old men [03:59] lmao [03:59] uh [03:59] what a group, cann0n [03:59] lol [03:59] masterx831: by hacked, do you mean offering users free candy if they clicked the "following link and installed the file"? [03:59] redtricycle: yeah [03:59] lol [03:59] yeah. the doctor said i have an odd thinking pattern... [04:00] redtricycle, lol. sub7 trickery [04:00] mordy, eh, why not use distcc? that would be simplest solution to your problem. Is the oher system running slack to? [04:00] s/to/too [04:00] qwerty may suck, but at least it's not azerty :D [04:00] do we have some international users on here right now [04:00] slackytude, my other systems are debian [04:00] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.208.54) joined ##slackware. [04:01] qwertz ftw [04:01] US here [04:01] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:01] Action: slackytude is from germany [04:01] dvorak #1 [04:01] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [04:01] dvorak here [04:01] holy shit i think just built compiz correctly... [04:01] mordy, why not distcc? [04:01] qwerty was designed to slow typists down [04:01] hence alt teh typoers [04:01] let me look that up, slackytude.. [04:01] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [04:02] cant wait to go back home so i can leave my computer on [04:02] Cann0n, azerty is the same thing [04:02] Cann0n, are you a dvorak user then? [04:02] at my cousins house because her parents left and she doesnt lik to be alone in the house [04:02] at least its not abcd.... [04:02] and shes 24 [04:02] hiptobecubic, yeah. dvorak [04:02] hiptobecubic: you could have treied the stck compiz tht comes with 12.2 first , I am , it has the cube and all that , but yes compiz-fusion is more feature-full [04:02] masterx831, isshe hot? [04:03] i'm stayign with 12.1 so far so good [04:03] DVORAK-UK FTW! [04:03] pics [04:03] i could link you to her picture [04:03] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:03] ok [04:03] Cann0n, aren't you annoyed when you have to use a regular keyboard? [04:03] pics or it didnt happen [04:03] brb [04:03] ^-^ [04:03] or do you just never leave your basement :D [04:03] slackytude, it seems that's what i want :D [04:03] although still disk space is a factor [04:03] hiptobecubic, OMG yes [04:03] but for this particular task, distcc seems fine [04:03] hiptobecubic: u just have to learn to be keyboard bilingual [04:03] screw that [04:04] mordy, well, I guess you could sed a tgz package to change locations [04:04] i suppose. i'd rather be able to just walk up to a keyboard and type without struggling. [04:04] i wont use it. [04:04] it would be good to learn dvorak, but it's so impractical at this point i just can't justify spending any time on it. [04:04] mordy, so it would still do stuff in /etc, updating you path and whatnot, and have the binarys somewhere else [04:04] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [04:04] bbl [04:05] i'll let the owner handle it or i will avoid it all together [04:05] http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=752175200&ref=nf [04:05] mordy, but you'll have to twek stuff by hand [04:05] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: Client Quit [04:05] well im out. it 4:05AM US-Eastern [04:05] hiptobecubic: perfect time is when you run two boxes side by side andh one isnt v important [04:05] night all [04:05] Cann0n, night [04:05] thats ger [04:05] slackytude, if it were only one package i'd be ok with it.. but tweaking that many stuff by hand... ugh [04:05] thats her face book [04:05] and i'm not very good with sed/awk whatever yet [04:05] mordy, or have the whole /usr on a different machine [04:06] Cann0n: [04:06] # echo "foo bar" | sed 's/foo/FOO/g' [04:06] wait [04:06] slackytude, but i do want to use the computer for other things [04:06] SiegeX: FOO bar [04:06] http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=752175200&ref=nf [04:06] yeah i;m out falling asleep [04:06] i can have /usr/src on a different partition though :P [04:06] see you all tommrorow [04:06] goodngith all [04:06] and thats my cousin [04:06] hello SiegeX [04:07] take care all [04:07] hi dtanner [04:07] mordy, well, you could make /usr/local a nfs share, modify packets to install in /usr/local with sed and set your path to /usr/local. that would work I think [04:07] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [04:07] masterx831 (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:07] facebook is even more baffling than myspace. on myspace some people use their full real names, on facebook damn near everyone is just sporting it all [04:08] facebook is supposed to be private [04:08] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [04:08] mordy: except the *default* settings are "HEY!! LOOK AT ME!" [04:08] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [04:08] and then the best part... the information that people post between all their social networking sites usually adds up to be enough to start guessing correct answers password reset questions [04:09] lol [04:09] i stopped using facebook after some people i wasn't interested in keeping in touch with contacted me [04:09] in fact, that's the same reason i stopped using myspace as well [04:09] mordy: i really need to go and delete some people, who I've met like..once [04:09] people giving you an e-grope [04:09] mordy: I added them to feel popular ._. [04:09] ROTFL [04:10] i rememebr my top 10 in myspace was full of dead people [04:10] just stop *accepting* people you've met "like once" [04:10] Zordrak: I have [04:10] anyone ever had that drama with a gf where they demote you in their myspace when they get pissed off? [04:10] lol [04:10] uh, no [04:10] that's hilarious [04:10] Woo for today's XKCD btw [04:10] it happened to me, but i heard about it from a few more people [04:11] my buddy told his girlfriend that he moved her out of his top 10 [04:11] mayhem broke out and she stopped cooking food [04:12] lol [04:13] xkcd makes me think of dune... [04:14] fred, the name? [04:14] Woh!! Intel profits down 90% in Q4! [04:14] slackytude: no, that specific one [04:15] (and if you've only seen the films and not read the books, you wont get why) [04:15] fred, Ive read the books [04:15] all of them [04:15] and the stuff playing before the dune series. [04:15] anyway, *worktime* [04:15] and the one writen by frank herberts son [04:15] which is crap [04:16] yet I still see no connection to xkcd [04:19] Action: slackytude fetches some coffeee [04:19] hmm.. can someone link me to a small package to compile from source? just to see if it works? [04:19] (can't think of any now :P) [04:20] if distcc works* [04:20] GeoIP isnt too big [04:20] or maybe htop [04:20] like 18 mb [04:21] this one should be good http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/qt4/ [04:21] or rkhunter [04:21] geolitecity i'm thinking of [04:21] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:21] nullboy :/ tha'ts huge [04:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:22] lol [04:22] hey is it possible for knetwalk to create maps that are impossible? [04:22] doubt it [04:22] impossible to complete i mean [04:22] i have a situation here [04:23] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:23] 4 monitors, in a corner [04:23] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.46.228) joined ##slackware. [04:23] you based your network layout on a knetwalk map? [04:23] no [04:23] :) [04:23] in knetwalk [04:23] seriously [04:23] 4 monitors in the corner [04:23] wtf [04:23] how [04:23] they loop [04:24] out of right into left etc [04:24] heh, funny idea, using knetwalk as base for your network [04:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [04:24] actually, that would explain a lot [04:24] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) joined ##slackware. [04:24] lmao [04:24] ugh. something must be wrong with the way my graphics are being handled. [04:25] compiz was smooth as magic on ubuntu with gnome, but under slack with xfce it grinds to a halt [04:26] hiptobecubic: you have direct rendering enabled ? [04:27] dtanner, i have no idea [04:27] glxinfo | grep -i direct [04:28] yes [04:28] have you ran ccsm ? [04:28] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:29] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.181.183) joined ##slackware. [04:29] I am not a compiz expert , I haven't even bilt or ran compiz-fusion before [04:29] I am using the compiz that ships stock with 12.2 [04:29] dtanner, maybe i'll try that. How do you call it? [04:30] gah, distcc won't work, doesn't even mention anything in its log :| [04:30] mine is running fine , i heard than fusion has a configration ap named ccsm [04:30] Hi,is there existing a channel talking about socket programming? [04:30] not sure the exact way to call it [04:30] dtanner, it does have ccsm, but that's just to set all of the fluffy crap that fusion does. [04:30] tulas, ask in the channel for your language of choice [04:31] dtanner, how are you using compiz, is just my question. I'm currently using xfwm and don't know how to change it [04:31] ok [04:31] hiptobecubic: I run compiz with gnome [04:31] dtanner, ah ok [04:32] and I use these two commands to start it ( which fusion has a better way of starting compiz ) [04:32] Yeah i'd really just like to know what's different here than in ubuntu. Why should it run so well in ubuntu/gnome and so poorly in slack/xfce [04:32] hiptobecubic: did you enable composite in your xorg.conf ? [04:32] xfwm is a compositing manager, you mean? [04:33] you have enable composite in xorg.conf before anything will work correctly [04:33] i guess i could try fiddling with it some more.. [04:34] and depending in your video card maybe add some "Options" Lines in xorg.conf that are specific to your card [04:34] nvidia card ? [04:34] yeah [04:34] I wilkl paste what I added to my xorg.conf if you would like [04:34] will* [04:35] 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M (rev a2) [04:35] sure please do [04:36] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=77030 [04:36] there ^^ if used that thread to configure my xorg.conf lines [04:36] s/if/i/ [04:38] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/compiz-and-slack-12-566969/ [04:39] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.181.183) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:39] this second link shows the two commands I use to start compiz form a terminal [04:39] ok thanks [04:40] hiptobecubic: is your window manager gtk based or qt based ? [04:40] didn't i write a wiki on this? [04:40] yeah, i'm sure i did [04:40] i hope so [04:40] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.190.17) joined ##slackware. [04:41] what is the link heret|c >? [04:41] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.185.166) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:41] it's old. i'll have to search for it.. belive it was on slack 12.0 [04:41] is it on slackwiki.org ? [04:41] yeah [04:42] the rworkman link is dead [04:42] because there ar so many ways to start up compiz and many variables etc etc [04:42] anyway, time to restart x [04:42] back in a jif [04:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [04:43] gah, the distcc log doesn't even pick anything up :( [04:44] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.46.228) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:44] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/possible.jpg [04:45] good morning all [04:45] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [04:46] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [04:48] well that's a bit better [04:48] although it's really bizarre with a dual monitor setup [04:48] dtanner: you should upgrade to compiz-fusion if you want to play with compiz. and get fusion-icon. no more command line fuss. [04:49] yeah i'm liking this fusion icon [04:49] heret|c: yeah , i think I will compile fusion [04:49] i wish i could have my old window decorations back [04:50] i once made a compile script and eventually a tarball of prebuilt packages for compiz-fusion on slack 12.1 [04:50] hiptobecubic: you need to run kde-window-decoratoe ( if youa are using kde ) or gtk-window-decorator -> ig you are using a am basd on gtk [04:50] s/ig/if/ [04:50] i'm sure i have them on a backup drive if you're running them.. don't know if i would try them on 12.2 though. [04:50] dtanner, i am running gtk just as before, but it changed my window decorations anyway [04:50] dtanner: or install emerald :P [04:50] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:51] -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13M Jun 29 2008 compiz-fusion-0.7.4.tar.gz [04:51] ignore the premissions, it was saved to an ntfs partition at one point [04:51] heret|c: yeah, I am going to build/install all the compiz-fusion *stuff* , i may do it tonight or tommorow [04:55] i've gotten lazy these days, i still like the idea of compiling my own. but i don't want to fuss with it too much.. so i use gentoo XD [04:55] emerge whatever then leave for work. [04:55] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:55] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [04:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [04:56] my poor computer is going to burst into flames i think [04:56] i guess with ubuntu i wasn't using dual montiors either... [04:56] lol.. ubuntu [04:56] with ubuntu, you weren't using anything. it was using you XD [04:57] heret|c, lol. Well i started with gentoo, alone. It was traumatizing. [04:57] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] i started with slackware :) used it from 8.0 till 12.1 [04:57] Someone said, hey ubuntu might work without you having to bootstrap the kernel into existence and i was all for it [04:58] how long have all of you been using linux for? [04:58] lol [04:58] then once i realized that ubuntu didn't let you do anything, i dumped it for slack [04:58] mordy: don't ask such things. it makes me feel old [04:58] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:58] meh, i only started less than 5 months ago [04:59] i can't help but notice as well that my keybindings are all wrong. alt doesn't work for example [04:59] speaking about windows makes me feel old [04:59] hiptobecubic: you have to use links within the gentoo installer to read the gentoo handbook to get through the installation,, then the important thing i found was , before installing ~anything~ after rebooting into your system emerge --sync&&emerge -auDN world. after that it all goes smoothly [04:59] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:59] mordy, yeah i've been on linux for about 8 months [05:00] not counting my three day stint with gentoo in 2005 [05:00] Action: heret|c searches for a linux timeline [05:00] ROTFL [05:01] woah nelly. i'm smokin' 9.85 frames per second, bitches! [05:01] <[MA]Amine> gentoo sucks, Slackware (true Linux philosophy ) ride :) [05:01] 8.0 came out in july 01' . 8.1 came out in june 02' .. so somewhere between those 2 is when i started [05:01] when did slack start? [05:02] 14448 frames in 5.1 seconds = 2858.451 FPS with compiz runnin [05:02] oh there is my problem [05:02] hiptobecubic: 94 was the first official release . 1.1.2 [05:02] as soon as i turned off the 22.1" monitor it flew into life... ... meaning 60 fps. [05:02] heret|c, what card is that? [05:03] heret|c, damn. that rules. i wish i had known anything back then [05:03] 8800gt [05:03] http://fatpenguinblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/linuxdistrotimeline-75.png << linux timeline [05:03] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) joined ##slackware. [05:03] execbot (i=SiegeX@c-71-198-5-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:03] My dad tried to get us started on linux when i was in middle school.. i think it was before kde3 had come out. SuSE i believe [05:04] hiptobecubic, tha't sinteresting - i never even knew that a video cardwould function better with the monitor off [05:04] But i was too busy playing age of empires and wine couldn't do jack about it. alas it never got anywhere [05:05] mordy, see, that's just it. You can't see how smooth it runs with the video off. A bit of a schroedingers cat problem [05:05] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.190.17) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:06] hiptobecubic, but fps, AFAIK the concern of the gpu is to actually convert vectors etc. into pixel maps [05:06] yeah my gfx aren't really powerful enough to be running all this yoodly hoodly nonsense. I just wanted a wm that doesn't have a huge delay when trying to render xterm. Does anyone know what's going on there, by the way? [05:06] and where and when those pixels are displayed are of no concern to it [05:06] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.177.122) joined ##slackware. [05:07] xfce? [05:07] mordy, but if those pixels aren't displayed at all.. suddenly it becomes a lot easier to make your quota [05:07] mordy, yeah [05:07] 21695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4334.086 FPS compiz and compositing off XD [05:07] xfce using xfce-terminal and xfwm [05:07] hiptobecubic, but i don't see how that would affect your fps; the fps is reflective of the processing power of the gpu, not of how much you actually se [05:07] xfce ftw [05:07] e [05:07] heret|c, not even a fy would notice [05:08] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [05:08] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:08] i.e. in theory you could have a really slow monitor but a fast gpu, the gpu would still give you a high fps rate - perhaps even more than the monitor can display [05:08] win7 is nice [05:09] mordy, i used xrandr to shrink the desktop down to one monitor-sized. so the size of the screen just went from 2690x1050 down to 1280x800 [05:09] <[MA]Amine> I think that slackbuild is a very interesting project that can make slackware grow up more and more .. but it still got a poor documentation compared to FreeBSD who has the main success in his documentation [05:09] ahh.. that explains it [05:09] :P [05:09] fyrfaktry (n=fyrfaktr@adsl-070-145-120-039.sip.pns.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:09] slackytude, eh. i treid it. i just felt like it was several years behind both x11 and osx in terms of their "sweet new ui features that you'll love!" [05:10] application thumbnailing in the taskbar.... for example [05:10] i'm having x11 hell [05:10] hiptobecubic, yeah [05:10] just like when vista came out and everyone shat their pants over Aero [05:10] e16 has had the pager figured out for years [05:10] hiptobecubic, still, Ill have to work with it and Im just glad it aint that annoying [05:11] i have a real fondness for those win9x ui [05:11] meanwhile all the ubuntu converts are making youtube videos of their desktops covered in water and fire with rotating gears and spinning the cube at some nauseating speed with a bunch of 3d windows open etc etc [05:11] ROTFL [05:11] man, but how true [05:11] and still everyone though vista's ui was innovative [05:12] go google it right now, it's hilarious [05:12] someone goes in vista and opens a few notepads and tabs through them [05:13] then the load gnome and put a couple full screen movies on some different desktops and spins them all crazy with some reflective background and who knows what else is going on [05:13] lol [05:14] i feel like some of the fusion plugins are just retarded [05:14] for some reason i haven't had much luck with graphics on this system [05:14] who has time to wait for their application to fold into a paper airplane [05:14] but that's because i have a huge resolution [05:14] yeah, i can't stand all those fading stuff etc. [05:14] only running 1680x1050 here [05:14] 1920x1200 here [05:14] mordy, yeah well according to my scientifically rigorous benchmarking just now. resolution may have some effect on fps [05:15] hiptobecubic, it's something like 1920x1200x24=... [05:15] i think 2690x1080x24 is a bit much for my little integrated video :D [05:16] i thought you were using 8800 gt? [05:16] i'm uisng 8600 gt [05:16] no that was heret|c i think [05:16] i needed to get the latest nvidia drivers to even behave decently [05:16] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:16] i used to run 3360x1050... i sure do miss that second 22" widescreen [05:16] 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M (rev a2) [05:16] and yeah, i was the one with the 8800gt [05:16] oh [05:16] there you have it. GeForce 7150 mobile [05:16] featuring shared memory! [05:17] and you're running 2690x1080? [05:17] ROTFL [05:17] :D [05:17] the laptop specs don't even tell you it's shared anymore [05:17] they use some kind of more deceptive term, like 'dynamic' [05:17] yeah [05:17] "Up to 512 MB of Dynamic Video RAM!" [05:17] now featuring communistic memory! [05:17] ROTFL [05:18] man, that was so funny [05:18] although i come from a family of communists [05:18] then you can relate [05:18] <[MA]Amine> SELECT Zordrak FROM slackware; [05:18] <[MA]Amine> LOL [05:19] but "Communistic Memory" [05:19] ROTFL [05:20] i wish the gentoo icon wasn't gay barney purple :/ [05:21] err... wait [05:22] the distcc client must also act as a host? [05:22] mordy, what? [05:22] distcc is the client... distccd is the host [05:22] ahh [05:22] d'oh [05:23] the zombie slave boxes need to have distccd running to accept jobs [05:23] lol [05:23] there's a game called "one is enough" which represents the epic struggle of balls [05:23] found it in debian's repos [05:25] balls? [05:25] how big is the d set? [05:25] hiptobecubic, look at it [05:25] runs in python [05:25] lol. it's funny cause it rhymes with balls [05:25] wat? what is d set? [05:26] the D package set [05:26] http://www.slackware.com/install/softwaresets.php [05:26] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:27] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [05:27] development stuff [05:27] you need it [05:28] hiptobecubic, if i want to compile my kernel, i guess i would [05:28] otherwise you can't compile or do anything fun [05:28] mordy, more like if you want to install anything that's not a prepackaged binary [05:28] but i'd be doing it through distcc [05:28] distcc is not a compiler. it uses the compilers you already have.... meaning you must have them. gcc g++ cc etc [05:29] hiptobecubic, the only things i've needed to compile were packages that weren't available in binary form for x64 [05:29] well if you want to be able to compile them, you need D [05:29] well, i need it [05:29] ... or not i don't remember actually. i think that's what d is [05:29] i just want to know how much space it takes up :P [05:29] oh [05:29] i'm running off a 4GB CF [05:30] mordy, if you've got a cd you can du -hs it [05:30] oh, my CD drive won't work wiht my CF as a HDD [05:30] cf? [05:30] compact flash [05:31] why would you need a cd drive to work with a cf ? [05:31] they both use the IDE controller [05:31] but when i use the CF, the already present cd drive ceases to function [05:31] until i remove the CF [05:31] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [05:31] the CF is attached directly to the ide bay, not through some usb thigy [05:32] rrr, maybe they're jumpered wrong? (both master, or both slave?) [05:32] urchlay, there is no jumper for the CD; there is a jumper for the CF, but it makes no difference [05:33] this is a laptop [05:33] oh [05:33] in other words, the way it is, is the way it came from the factory? [05:33] nah, it came with a 2.5 drive, but it was too noisy and made too much heat [05:34] the CF also gives the case some better ventilation, which is good since i replaced the minipci nic with a wifi card [05:34] and then added a wired nic in the pcmcia slot [05:34] oh, you have no moving parts in your laptop now? (except maybe a small fan?) [05:34] basically [05:34] nice [05:35] er, would be nice, if not for the problem you're having :( [05:35] and an LCD that's broken at one hinge [05:35] ouch [05:35] and the entire chasis having quite a few cracks... [05:35] lol [05:35] despite it being one of those 'tough' thinkpads [05:36] but the keyboard still feels nice and sturdy [05:36] laptop came from a police evidence locker, was formerly used as a bludgeoning weapon in a murder case? [05:36] ROTFL [05:36] i got it on ebay for my mother for $300 about 4 years ago [05:36] if any laptop could be used as a club, and still work afterwards, I guess it'd be a thinkpad [05:36] it was reiser's murder weapon [05:37] your mother's currently doing 10 to life for murder one? I'm sorry to hear that... [05:37] ROTFL [05:37] nah, Hans was into D&D and such, he probably would have used an authentic medieval headsman's axe [05:37] my father was just cleared from charges for which he spent 8 years in prison though [05:37] or knowing him, one of those weird weapons in the player's handbook that nobody even knows how to pronounce [05:38] (actually I don't really know him... met his dad once. Nice guy, seemed really smart & absent-minded) [05:38] oh damn [05:39] lol [05:39] but too late for my dad, he has mild dementia already [05:39] does your dad get to sue the judge who falsely convicted him, or maybe the cops who arrested him, or the prosecutor, or something? [05:40] urchlay, fat chance. this was in alaska, it reeks with corruption [05:40] oh, right, oil-world [05:40] urchlay, but it's pretty much trailer trash all over [05:40] actually the only person I ever met from Alaska was a drug dealer [05:40] that's what my father was accused of actually [05:40] no idea whether he was a representative sample [05:41] probably was :P [05:41] my father was a doctor there, he was accused of medical fraud and drug trafficking among others [05:41] well, this guy really was dealing... I kinda started avoiding him after I found that out [05:41] but in alaska they have very lax drug laws [05:42] yeah, he told me up to 1/4 or maybe 1/2 oz of weed was legal to possess (but not sell) [05:42] but everyone i met there asked me if i wanted to buy some [05:42] (this was, damn, almost 20 years ago, so memory's a bit hazy... I think the guy's name was Joe, and he had a mullet) [05:43] well, i don't think alaskans have mullets, despite them being trailer trash and all [05:43] but the capital is as ugly as hell, rural areas are just beautiful though [05:43] I didn't meet him until after he moved here, maybe he got a mullet here [05:43] where is $HERE? [05:44] Atlanta area [05:44] lots of mullet-headed rednecks running around [05:44] ahh.. i visited mullet central once [05:44] reno, nv [05:44] hugh1 (n=hugh_2@218.82.204.156) joined ##slackware. [05:45] guess the farthest west I've been was... New Orleans? [05:45] those things were actually in style once, but before my times [05:45] the farthest west i've been was alaska, the farthest east i've been was the west bank :P [05:45] the mullet I think was originally invented by teenage kids who wanted heavy metal hair, but their parents wouldn't let 'em... [05:45] lol [05:46] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [05:46] people always think I have hippie hair [05:46] because it's long? [05:46] I just have whatever grows out of my head... wash it once a day, don't cut/comb/style it [05:47] emerald doesn't do "always on top" ? [05:47] That's completely unacceptable [05:47] meh, i dont' comb either, and my hair is pretty long now [05:47] people tell me i look like jesus [05:47] hiptobecubic, i think you can easily modify it [05:47] pprkut (n=hwiesing@gw.fh-burgenland.at) joined ##slackware. [05:48] it should be in the menu, i assume emerald is a theme? [05:48] hiptobecubic: are you talking about a program or a girl? [05:48] ROTFL [05:49] well, traditionally girls don't go on top, although it's nice [05:49] especially when you're tired and lazy [05:50] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.177.122) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:50] but any gnome theme or whatever should allow you to have a window always on top; of course, it may not always have that cute little button for it, but with some modification (whidch i have no interest in btw) it's possible [05:51] actually, what do people use "always on top" windows for? [05:51] how could you have no interest in it? it's the best feature ever [05:51] that option's been in every WM I ever used, and I never found a use for it [05:51] i wish there were also an "always on bottom" [05:51] tntslack (n=will@adsl53-116.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:51] urchlay, it's useful if you have a maximized window with much of its space unutilized at the moment [05:51] i use it all the time, for example when i'm looking at something in firefox and chatting in pidgin at the same time [05:51] eh, what use is an always-on-bottom window? (or are you talking about a girl again?) [05:51] always on bottom? yes, there is, you close it it will be always on the bottom [05:51] and then you have a small text file/terminal from which you want to have input/output [05:52] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. [05:52] you can shade a window, and it will effectivelty always be on bottom [05:52] Urchlay, always on bottom would be great for the same reason, you can maximize something- set it to always on bottom and then i'ts like a desktop app [05:52] windows on bottom, linux on top == ubuntu [05:52] errr.. or the other way around [05:52] mordy, shading is totally unrelated [05:53] hiptobecubic, shading effectively makes a window never seen [05:53] save for its title bar [05:53] always on bottom would mean i could drag a window over xchat, leave it there, and click into xchat and talk and still see the other window [05:53] hm, any WMs support auto-shade/unshade? [05:54] you can just use the mouse wheel on tht title bar to toggle [05:54] so i find it pretty convenient [05:54] like, the window is shaded normally, until it gets focus, then it un-shades... until it loses focus again [05:54] it's a pain to set everything always-on-top if you're moving a bunch o windows around and you know you always want a particular one beneath others. [05:54] Urchlay, why would you want that? that's like alttab isn't it? when the widnow doesn't have focus it gets covered by whatever has focus [05:54] yeah. Hm. I dunno, I really despise overlapping windows in the first place... I prefer lots of virtual desktops [05:54] unless for some reason you want to make sure you don't see the windows when the overlap [05:55] hip: I dunno that I'd want it necessarily [05:55] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.184.192) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Urchlay, have you tried twm.. i don't even think it supports overlapping :D [05:55] ugh, yeah, twm does too support overlapping [05:55] hmm.. what's that text mode window manager? [05:55] called 'twin' or somethihng like that [05:55] is there a package for tht? [05:55] i believe it's called tty1 [05:56] twin is its own weird little thing, can't run X apps in it [05:56] i really like this emerald theme, but if i can't figure out always on top then forget it. emerald can eat poo [05:56] urchlay, still useful [05:56] it could substitute X for half of the things i use x for [05:57] according to a bunch of forum posts, it won't even do always on top [05:57] yeah, all I really use X for is lots of xterms + one firefox window (with a ton of tabs) [05:57] that's just ridiculous. [05:57] urchlay,same here :P [05:57] eh, and one "exile" desktop for stuff like torrent clients that are X-based but don't need constant attention [05:57] all i really use X for is for porn [05:57] and occasionally some corny game [05:57] the internet is for porn [05:58] why not try ascii porn? [05:58] in perl [05:58] heh [05:58] cause all the chicks look the same [05:58] if you squint, or if you're nearsighted, ascii porn can look pretty good if it's rendered with aalib [05:58] lol [05:58] OOO this one's got a bigger set of OO [05:58] do they really have it? [05:58] ROTFL [05:58] well, sorta [05:58] link? [05:59] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@121.232.8.225) left irc: Connection timed out [05:59] fyrfaktry (n=fyrfaktr@adsl-070-145-120-039.sip.pns.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:59] you can build mplayer with aalib as a video output plugin [05:59] and watch any movie that way [05:59] http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/pinups.html [05:59] it doesn't convert it to stick figures or anything, it tries to pick the ascii character that's the closest in shape to each 8x8 or whatever block of pixels [05:59] ROTFL [06:00] meh, there's no hardcore ascii pr0n [06:01] pprkut (n=hwiesing@gw.fh-burgenland.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:01] there would be if you made it [06:01] mordy: he's got a point... [06:01] pprkut (n=hwiesing@gw.fh-burgenland.at) joined ##slackware. [06:01] i'm sorry, but i havenn't lost my life completely [06:01] i'm willing to star in an ascii porno [06:01] how much do they pay? [06:01] douple what they're paying you now. [06:02] ouch, this one has stubble in her pubic area [06:02] mordy: probably they'd have you humping a giant inflatable @ [06:02] http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/pinups/pinup32.txt [06:02] :S [06:02] :| [06:02] men don't even get paid that much [06:02] unless it's gay porn [06:03] PingFloyd (n=pingfloy@adsl-64-217-182-150.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Action: Urchlay doesn't ask how he knows that... [06:03] rule 34 of the internet [06:03] if it exists, it's on the internet, and naked [06:04] fine, my trade name is Dick Cockburn and i starred in DirtiBoiz #5 [06:04] haha [06:04] http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/The-Jack/1164249215003.gif the rules! [06:05] ROTFL [06:05] lawwwwd is dat sum 4ch? [06:05] i have a rule #34 folder [06:05] anglisky? [06:06] lol. [06:06] http://www.viewfromthequad.com/photos/images/My%20images/rules_of_the_internet_v2.gif unabridged rules [06:07] rule #37 is not strictly true [06:07] yeah it is [06:07] lol it's not true [06:07] I actually met some... if they weren't girls, they had amazing disguises [06:07] yeah it is, prove me wrong [06:07] iv'e met some too. if they weren't girls, that surgeon must've done a really good job [06:07] see rule 20 [06:07] :| [06:08] also rule 34 [06:08] if rule 34 doesn't hold true for said "girl" they do not exist therefore 37 holds true :D [06:08] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:09] hm. Well one of them, if she wasnt naked on the internet yet, it was only a matter of time [06:10] this girl was the Phone Sex Queen [06:10] lol [06:10] details... [06:10] no ... no details [06:10] meh, phone sex [06:10] as in, we're at her place, making out, clothes are coming off... [06:10] then suddenly, NINJAS [06:11] and as I move in for the kill, she goes "Stop! Go home and call me, so we can have phone sex!" [06:11] and she was not joking [06:11] yeah. no call from me [06:11] ugh [06:11] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [06:11] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.184.192) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:12] what do you say about this girl: http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/a/6/6/3/a/a663a3bea431d5a7ceec755bcae17956_full.jpg [06:12] I say she loads too slow [06:12] ROTFL [06:12] it's a trick, isn't it? [06:13] if I say she's hot, you're going to tell me some horrible thing about her [06:13] pretty much [06:13] no i think the trick is that it doesn't finish loading [06:13] but she's world famous [06:13] mmm... rule 43 [06:13] is she a man? [06:13] yup [06:13] famous for what? [06:13] heh [06:13] heh [06:13] she's a singer [06:13] he [06:13] 43. It is a delicious trap. You must hit it. [06:13] well all you can see in that pic is a face, I guess they did a good job on that [06:14] x3m_slack (n=x3m_slac@host96.190-138-104.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [06:14] the face was the most difficult to find actually [06:14] but the rest... I think it's beyond 21st century medicine [06:14] the rest of her pics on google pretty much all looked like a man to me [06:14] Urchlay: look up chris crocker on youtube [06:14] I think I won't [06:14] :) [06:14] its a guy. but when my wife showed me and my buddy we sat there for 2 minutes watching him talk like ".. you s ure that's not a girl?" [06:15] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.43.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:15] this chris crocker guy .... wow [06:15] lol [06:15] bonus points if his voice sounds like Dr. Girlfriend from the Venture Bros [06:16] i wish you could have the cube rotate vertically instead of horizontally [06:16] i think the girl i linked to did a better job [06:16] hiptobecubic: [in bed] [06:16] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-142-169.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [06:16] .. sigh [06:17] http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080321/080321-ChrisCrockerScreenShot-hmed-3pm.hmedium.jpg < chris crocker , yes it's safe for work [06:17] wow [06:17] talk about flaming [06:17] that is gross [06:17] also. screw this cube. [06:17] yeah, I'd have figured out that's a dude [06:17] meh, be tolerant lol [06:17] urchlay, dana? [06:18] heret|c's link [06:18] it's not intolerant to say that someone is gross. If he were covered in flies you'd be ok with it. [06:18] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:18] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:18] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:18] it's intolerant only if you say they should all be rounded up and put in camps, or something like that... [06:19] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:19] this is the song 'she' became famous for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO36x20Kibs [06:19] is it intolerent if i say i wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself ? [06:19] ROTFL [06:20] win powershell is kinda neat [06:20] heret|c: I dunno, but it's pretty funny [06:20] the song is pretty nice actually [06:20] tho first time I heard that joke was about goths [06:20] win powershell is kinda neat [ in bed ] [06:20] also, "How many goths does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" [06:21] fabrizio (n=x3m_slac@host156.190-31-29.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [06:21] one if you screw him hard enough [06:21] ROTFL [06:21] answer #1: "We have cannndles..." [06:21] or answer #2: "Goths don't screw in lightbulbs, they screw in graveyards" [06:22] ewww [06:22] answer #3, they don't use lightbulbs, so they never burn out [06:22] yeah [06:22] i have installed slackware 12.1 in a amd53 dual core, affect me in something, sorry i'm new and from Argentina my englsh isn't good [06:22] or "they like the dark" [06:23] wow, when did the start making amd53's ? [06:23] Action: Urchlay has dated entirely too many goth girls [06:23] #4, one to screw the socket, one to sharpen the glass, and one to paint it black [06:23] which is to say, about 3... 1 was too many [06:23] jeje amd64 [06:23] i've had one goth girl, and that was enough for me [06:23] ROTFL [06:24] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Reconnecting" [06:24] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:24] i married a red head >:) [06:25] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [06:25] heret|c: hmmm, like on purpose? [06:25] yes [06:25] masochist, eh? [06:25] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.103.35) joined ##slackware. [06:25] wuh? [06:25] (nah, really I like redheads, but I have known some crazy ones...) [06:25] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BC6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:26] Everglades (n=wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:26] you know what they say, red on the head, fire in the hole :D [06:26] herpes? [06:26] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BC6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:26] sorry, couldn't resist [06:26] hornies [06:27] hello [06:27] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE9205F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:28] where can i find a slackware build for the ntpclient ? [06:29] http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=current/ntp-4.2.4p6-i486-1 ? [06:29] ok [06:30] heret|c, hwo do i see what version of slack i am running ? [06:30] cat /etc/slackware-version [06:30] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "leaving" [06:31] cat: /etc/slackware-version: No such file or directory ? [06:31] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.45) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:31] Action: mordy waits for someone to protest against the use of cat and suggest dd :P [06:32] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mordy [06:32] dd -f=/etc/slackware-version of=/dev/console [06:32] whats wrong with cat [06:32] bs=1024TB [06:32] slackytude: litter boxes and hairballs? [06:32] unless you are a mouse [06:32] x3m_slack (n=x3m_slac@host96.190-138-104.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:32] root@celeron3~ [06:32] $installpkg ntp-4.2.4p6-i486-1.tgz [06:32] [06:32] Channel flood from Agiofws -- kicking [06:32] hope that works [06:32] Agiofws kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [06:32] lol [06:33] slackytude, it's just a joke, but seriously i'm always finding of new things to use instead of cat [06:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:33] another one bites the dust [06:33] i used to use it with grep and then realized it was stupid [06:34] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.226.232) joined ##slackware. [06:34] redundant american redundency institute for redundency in america [06:34] lol [06:34] this place is funny [06:35] cat file | cat | cat | cat | grep whatever | cat | cat [06:35] avoid unneccesary repetitions and redunancy [06:35] a whole litter of 'em... [06:35] hmmm.. there's actually something called dog [06:36] dog - Enhanced replacement for cat [06:36] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [06:36] is there an enhanced replacement for tac? [06:36] lets do it right [06:36] installpkg ntp-4.2.4p6-i486-1.tgz this command just sits there isn't there a verbose optione ? [06:37] after configuring alsa how do I exactly restart it? should I do a full system reboot? or there is a command to do it? [06:37] for i in $(seq 1 100000);do $(cat|grep $term);done [06:37] urchlay: god? [06:37] atom_fox, what did you configure? [06:37] alsaconf [06:37] my soundcard [06:37] alsactl store [06:38] maybe [06:38] ok thanks [06:38] hugh1 (n=hugh_2@218.82.204.156) left ##slackware. [06:38] you might need reload snd modules [06:38] ?? [06:39] lsmod | grep snd [06:39] and see whats loaded [06:39] if there are many it might actually be easier to reboot [06:40] there's more than 10 so I'll just use the reboot command? [06:40] on the one hand, i try not to reboot out of principle [06:40] on the other hand, it's good to reboot from time to time, just to see if you've mseed anything up [06:41] mseed? [06:41] i'm wondering if there's anything that would let you simulate a reboot and see if everything is in order [06:41] you could unload them and the modprobe them all, but you have to unload in right order [06:41] fabrizio (n=x3m_slac@host156.190-31-29.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [06:42] lsmod should generally show you the mod tree [06:42] is this the right way to install a package in slacklware 11 ? [06:42] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] root@celeron3~$installpkg ntp-4.2.2p3-i486-1.tgz [06:42] although i wonder if lsmod really lets you see tihngs in tree form [06:42] allend (n=allend@203-217-87-47.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:42] can I post here what appears after I run lsmod? [06:42] mordy, it's not really tree form [06:43] installpkg ntp-4.2.2p3-i486-1.tgz its just sitting there is there an error log or something ? [06:43] atom_fox, better off pastebining it [06:43] atom_fox: pastebin [06:43] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.208.54) left irc: "Leaving." [06:43] dive, it does show you which modules are depending on which though [06:43] or you will get flood kicked [06:43] ?? [06:43] pastebin? [06:43] pastebin.ca [06:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-41cf91be838f1711) joined ##slackware. [06:43] google for pastebin [06:43] mordy, yes but it's not a tree [06:43] rafb.net [06:44] yeah, i wish there was an option that wold let you see it in a tree though [06:44] here's the link [06:44] http://pastebin.com/m60113a74 [06:44] would be handy [06:45] here's what I'm reading before I asked for helped bcoz we have the same laptop and specs everything works well but I can't get the souncard to work [06:45] http://www.linlap.com/wiki/asus+f80s [06:46] atom_fox, i've realized that alsa by default will mute all your sound controls on quite a few systems [06:46] did you unmute it? [06:46] can someone tell me how they set up time in slackware of the wan ? [06:46] Agiofws, you mean like ntpdate? [06:46] rememeber, "MM" in alsamixer means it's muted, and you need to enable master AND pcm [06:46] I chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd and edited /etc/ntp.conf [06:46] dive, if that works yes please [06:47] man ntpdate [06:48] thank you dive [06:48] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] it's not mute [06:49] mordy: it's not muted [06:50] hmm.. are you running as root? [06:51] nope [06:51] but I'm using su everytime I do some configurations [06:51] are you part of the audio group? [06:51] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.226.232) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:51] or is it sound group [06:51] I think not [06:51] alsaconfig should usually work, and it does all the modprobes for you [06:52] i forgot whether alsa makes a sound or audio group - one of those for sure [06:52] run speakertest as root and see if there's any output [06:52] Melos (n=Melos-aw@wikimedia/Melos) joined ##slackware. [06:52] if you don't get an error, it's probably muted [06:52] speaker-test [06:53] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:53] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.218.141) joined ##slackware. [06:53] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.29.72) joined ##slackware. [06:55] well, got to get some sleepage [06:55] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.254.174) joined ##slackware. [06:56] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-32dc81b92abf8b6f) joined ##slackware. [06:57] http://pastebin.com/m2a582ab9 [06:57] Hello guys, If i edit a PHP file, it creates a backup file. is there a way i can turn that off ? [06:57] edit with what? [06:57] mordy here's the link http://pastebin.com/m2a582ab9 [06:57] Which editor? [06:57] Kdevelop [06:58] Check preferences :> [06:58] #kdevelop [06:58] aaaah ok [06:58] (or use vi ;) [06:58] lol hehe [06:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [06:59] alright so how do i get compiz running from the start... i guess i could call fusion icon when xfce starts but that seems inefficient. would that load xfwm and then kill it and load compiz? [07:00] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-149-31.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [07:01] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.29.72) left irc: "Leaving" [07:01] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left irc: "Leaving" [07:02] cm21 (i=1000@190-95-22-37.bk17-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [07:03] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Hi!!! How to run compiz on Slackware 12.2? [07:05] hiptobecubic, [07:05] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [07:05] slackytude, i think it does it automagically. so nevermind. [07:05] I was just gonna say [07:06] I autostart fusion-icon in xfce and it will restore whatever wm you specified last [07:06] cm21, Id suggest using compiz-fusion, which is avaible at slackbuilds.org [07:07] slackytude, i didn't even call fusion-icon. it just loaded compiz on its own... somehow o_O [07:07] hiptobecubic, in xfce? [07:07] there's a strange behavior here however [07:07] slackytude, yeah [07:07] OK... but I want to try first with compiz [07:08] I have an old PC [07:08] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:08] i use verve andwhen it launches something, it doesn't bring it to the front. i'm looking at ccsm and it appears to be set correctly. any idea? [07:10] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) left irc: "Leaving" [07:10] cm21 (i=1000@190-95-22-37.bk17-dsl.surnet.cl) left ##slackware. [07:12] ugh, the only thing it doesn't bring to the front is terminal... which of course i use constantly [07:12] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [07:12] well taht's a problem for another day i guess. i need to sleep [07:12] cm21 (i=1000@190-95-22-37.bk17-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [07:13] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-142-169.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:13] vileli8ves_ (n=darrel@nv-69-34-98-73.dyn.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "vileli8ves was eaten by a grue" [07:15] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:16] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:17] hiptobecubic, nite [07:17] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-41cf91be838f1711) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:17] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [07:17] slackytude, actually, this seems to have broken dbus/libnotify [07:17] ugh [07:17] THAT is something i'm not in the mood to fix right now [07:17] night [07:18] heh [07:18] see ya [07:19] j0z (n=JESUS@201-24-235-98.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:19] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-6980bc0f795a6602) joined ##slackware. [07:19] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.181.14) joined ##slackware. [07:22] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.218.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] cm21 (i=1000@190-95-22-37.bk17-dsl.surnet.cl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:29] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:29] Right now I'm reading "Efficient editing with vim" and I think, I will never try to use it... It'll take 1 year just to get used to this program :P [07:30] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-156-160.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [07:31] its fine [07:31] yeah, I heard that... that's why i tried to read something about it... [07:32] but.but that's it... i read it and then use joe :P [07:32] just start using it.. [07:32] I should give it a try [07:33] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-149-31.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:38] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-32dc81b92abf8b6f) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] is there a driver scanner for slack? [07:39] google? [07:39] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-156-160.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:39] atom_fox, there's something on debien website [07:42] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.181.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:42] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.226.69) joined ##slackware. [07:43] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:43] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-d8655223199d7902) joined ##slackware. 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[07:52] Hey Karlitoo [07:52] hi dimmerbold [07:52] higuita, [07:52] grrr keyboard [07:52] mrselfpwn, [07:52] hello i get this error when running make test, when compiling php 5.2.8 /root/php-5.2.8/sapi/cli/php: symbol lookup error: /root/php-5.2.8/sapi/cli/php: undefined symbol: gdImageCreateFromJpegCtx [07:52] any ideas what can be? [07:53] I have a question I have a mounted hd ext2 and another hd ntfs and I am trying to copy files from ext2 to ntfs and it is not letting me cause it saiz that it cannot create folders [07:53] and I think it cant eve copy the files [07:53] Karlitoo: are you mounted with ntfs-3g? [07:54] nope [07:54] regular ntfs [07:55] is there a cli urbandict utility? [07:56] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left irc: "Leaving" [07:58] h8R: no gd installed perhaps? [07:58] Karlitoo: I have not tried writing with the reg ntfs driver...is it mounted rw? maybe try with ntfs-3g [07:58] alienBOB, root@vato:~/php-5.2.8# gdlib-config --version [07:58] 2.0.35 [07:58] :/ [07:58] Karlitoo: the regular ntfs is read onl [07:58] only* [07:59] you need captive or ntfs-3g [07:59] ntfs-3g works great for me [07:59] alienBOB, seems I have two GD installed [08:00] alienBOB, root@vato:~/php-5.2.8# locate gdlib-config [08:00] /usr/bin/gdlib-config [08:00] Channel flood from h8R -- kicking [08:00] /usr/local/bin/gdlib-config [08:00] h8R kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:00] h8R (n=ari_pak@87-126-67-121.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [08:00] hummm [08:00] alienBOB, can this be a problem ? [08:00] [in bed] [08:00] yeah it saiz it's rw but I had tryed before the same thing and it didn't work [08:00] what is the function to create a new file on the server ? [08:00] its read onlyy [08:00] so I'll try with ntfs-3g [08:01] Everglades: THE server? [08:01] what server? [08:01] my [08:01] :P [08:01] what kind of file? [08:01] touch [08:01] zomg! you can not simpley create files on THE serve! [08:01] well, i need to save pdf files... in a dir on my server.. but i cant get it working... [08:01] iyobe_ (n=iyobe@96.231.216.84) joined ##slackware. [08:01] what isnt working? [08:01] are you trying over the network? [08:02] what errors are you getting? [08:02] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.226.69) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:02] straterra: I got my printers working last night! [08:02] cool [08:02] alienBOB: Can I make a suggestion for your website? Something to add to the section on printing. [08:02] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [08:03] Well, i use a PDF class, called: TCPDF... there is a function to save the PDF file to a local direcory using fopen etc. but it doesnt work... [08:04] alienBOB: Add that you may need to install font-config from the 'x' diskset and sane from 'xap' - even if you don't otherwise have X/xap installed. [08:06] This is what the class uses to save a PDF file to a local dir..: [08:06] $f = fopen($name, 'wb'); fwrite($f, $this->getBuffer(), $this->bufferlen); fclose($f); [08:07] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:07] hummm is there a way for me to see the ext2 from windows (yes unfortunatelly I still have to work with windows too) [08:08] Karlitoo: There are some drivers and apps that will let you natively read ext2/3 in windows. [08:08] ty I shzall google [08:08] Karlitoo: yes. if you use total commander, there's a ext2fs plugin... other than that, there are many ext2fs "file managers" similar to windows explorer [08:08] Karlitoo: IFS has worked for us here in the past. [08:09] ty ") [08:09] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) joined ##slackware. [08:09] lol I know what total commander is lol, the first of it's kind that I have used was northon commander [08:10] then midnight [08:10] and then total [08:10] :) [08:10] I just use emacs [08:11] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [08:16] FriedBob: sure, let us do a quick PM [08:19] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.254.174) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [08:20] TY TY TY I just downloaded and installed ntfs-3g from ntfs-3g.org and it work just fine mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows/ [08:20] TY linux [08:20] mwah [08:21] parapapapa I'm lovin it [08:21] hahahahha [08:22] pjammer (n=nerb@CPE001b63f545f4-CM00194757e7b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [08:28] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:28] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:29] LQ hosed! :o [08:30] TwinReverb, ? [08:30] http://www.linuxquestions.org looks like it's hosed ("500 Internal Server Error") [08:31] from what I know ntfs-3g is implemented into the new kernel that is used with slack 12.2 [08:31] TwinReverb, it hate 500 [08:31] yeah linuxquestions.org is out [08:31] give me 401, 403 and 404 but not 500 [08:31] yeah me to especially if I am the one who has to fix the 500 error [08:31] Action: slackytude nods [08:32] Karlitoo, ntfs-3g works with FUSE actually. FUSE is part of the linux kernel. ntfs-3g is not (at least not right now, afaik). [08:32] oh ok ty for the info :) [08:32] fuse ftw [08:33] i could be wrong but afaik that's how it works [08:33] slackware provides ntfs-3g [08:34] there's even MacFUSE for Mac with NTFS-3G too. i installed it once on a friend's mac. it incorporates well into Mac OS X and "magically" gives you the ability to now format drives as NTFS and write to them [08:34] i've never seen anything "just work" that well. it was actually a weird feeling because i was expecting to need to do some configuration [08:34] i don't think MacFUSE incorporates into the Mach kernel (since it's technically a "microkernel" i think) but i am not sure [08:35] man if one could install the linux kernel onto mac os x one could have so many cool new capabilities [08:36] i'm actually surprised they didn't use the linux kernel. anyone know why not? (just asking because i don't have a clue why they didn't....) [08:38] not sure why they would, honestly [08:40] well in terms of having linux modules and such [08:41] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:41] then almost all filesystems would be read-write for them (ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs, jfs, ntfs, FUSE, etc) [08:41] as would nearly all partition types (Microsoft Zune, etc) [08:42] i mean think: they could then release a mac os x that would work on nearly all machines supported by the linux kernel [08:42] they could then essentially wipe out microsoft on at least 1/3 of the machines out there by then releasing a "non-warranty" mac os x [08:43] ("non warranty" only because they don't support other hardware, so only software-specific, mac-hardware related stuff would be supported) [08:44] mac seems very cautious to release mac os x for PC mainly because they like having complete control over the platform, which i don't blame them for. but if they had a "no support" mac os x for PC (call it "beta" or whatever else) they'd take the PC market by storm [08:44] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [08:45] anyways, i like kimchi .... :S [08:45] yeah, she''s a cutie [08:46] not everyone likes her though. i wonder if it's her odor. [08:47] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:47] Action: slackytude smokes a fag [08:50] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Stx_ (n=d9ae413d@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: "brb" [08:55] how do you turn orr tty screensaver? [08:56] s/orr/off/ [08:56] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Zordrak, i think i have found the answer but the page is taking a while to load. please be patient. thanks! [09:04] Action: TwinReverb hates scribd [09:04] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:05] todakure (n=thomaz@189.26.164.90.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Zordrak, setterm -blank 0 [09:06] a [09:06] b [09:06] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [09:06] and if you want to make it permanent, echo "/usr/bin/setterm -blank 0" >> ~/.bashrc [09:06] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:07] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [09:07] ola!!! [09:07] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:08] and it appears that it is set by /etc/rc.d/rc.M [09:08] so you could also (to make it global for all users) edit that instead [09:09] How do I add a file in a folder within a. tgz [09:10] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Client Quit [09:10] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [09:10] jon_snow (n=jon_snow@unaffiliated/jonsnow/x-492017) joined ##slackware. [09:10] o.O [09:11] O.o [09:11] hi, is it possible to install Network Manager 0.70 (ubuntu NM) on slackware or zenwalk? [09:11] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:11] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:11] It is possible... but we suggest wicd [09:11] thats gnome isnt it? [09:11] slackytude: yes it is [09:11] but you can still use it.. if you build the right requireds [09:11] so, get gnome [09:12] ouch [09:12] todakure (n=thomaz@189.26.164.90.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [09:12] jon_snow: wicd does essentially the same thing.. its in Slackware 12.2 in /extras [09:12] i don't personally like wicd that much. i find shell commands for that a bit too easy [09:13] but to each h(is|er) own [09:13] todakure (n=todakure@189.26.164.90.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Dominian, i know, but i want to install NM 0.70 because is it good for my Internet Key Huawei... to connect on web [09:14] jon_snow: use umtsmon. works fine with mine and only need pppd [09:14] and qt3 apparently [09:14] Mac_Fly (n=Mac_Fly@hurin.dream.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:15] ty [09:15] np [09:16] jon_snow: what model? [09:16] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [09:16] pygame rpject page has a blender impoter [09:16] nifty [09:16] pprkut: what model? [09:16] The-spiki, Uuawei E180V [09:16] The-spiki: mine is an E170 [09:17] Mac_Fly (n=Mac_Fly@hurin.dream.net.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:17] i'm asking only because i'm not shure if this is correct. e169 etc are NOT dual mode. e170 (which i have) is "dual mode" and needs to be set into modem mode to funcition [09:18] (dual mode being it works as "flash disk (where the windows drivers reside)" or "modem") [09:18] newer kernels should do this automatically. If not, umtsmon looks for usb_modeswitch [09:19] ok. you two have to set it to modem mode with the usb_switch or not? [09:19] nope [09:19] renato_BHZ (n=renato@20158040193.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:20] renato_BHZ (n=renato@20158040193.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [09:20] The-spiki: I'm not sure about 2.6.24, but 2.6.25 onwards should work fine without usb_modeswitch [09:21] lq IS BACK [09:21] RJ2k (n=rj@c-76-18-30-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] anyone ever filed a bugreport to gcc? [09:22] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [09:23] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejh107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:23] pprkut: ql. i've been using hand crafted ppp config for the connection. (i've tested once some gui from xandros. forgot the name) [09:23] I've got a problem here with generating the preprocessed source file they would like. g++ is not accepting "-save-temps", although --help lists it [09:23] pprkut: thanks for the umtmon sbo. i'm going to test that later :) [09:24] The-spiki: :) [09:24] hi [09:24] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.39) joined ##slackware. [09:27] sherique (n=ri@adsl-68-90-180-64.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] damn. of course --safe-temps is NOT the same as --save-temps. [09:28] explains everything..... [09:28] nevermind then [09:28] O_o [09:29] how restart network on slackware... [09:30] ruben23, huh? [09:31] heh, the article about the woman with the ubuntu laptop from dell got 1520 comments on slashdot [09:31] how do i restart my network service on slackware [09:31] command.. [09:31] <_NaCl_> /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [09:32] jon_snow (n=jon_snow@unaffiliated/jonsnow/x-492017) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [09:33] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [09:35] hi i have error while using wget on my slackware :http://pastebin.com/m7b679a87 [09:36] I think we went through this yesterday... [09:36] DNS issue [09:36] what's in /etc/resolv.conf [09:36] i already edited the /etc/resolv.conf http://pastebin.com/m24d8c0da [09:36] O_o [09:36] remove the = [09:36] noobfarm [09:36] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Dominia: yes we already do it but still the same [09:37] it should just be: nameserver [09:37] no.. its not thesame [09:37] remove the = [09:37] ok ill change it.. [09:37] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] can i use the two ip...for my nameserver [09:37] huh? [09:37] are those your ISPs nameservers? [09:38] no that looks like freedns servers. [09:38] no...im using opendns [09:38] ok those are opendns servers [09:38] those should be fine [09:38] err opendns. [09:38] lol [09:38] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:38] just make the lines: nameserver 208.67.222.222 [09:38] and then the other respectively.. without the = sign [09:38] agentc0re, opendns is fine [09:39] slackytude: I know. I was thinking opendns but said freedns. Was just correcting myself. [09:40] agentc0re, heh, didnt see that [09:40] I used opendns for about a month [09:41] thanks guys its ok now.. [09:42] yep [09:42] Book Review: "Against intellectual Monopoly" -- http://mises.org/story/3298 [09:42] Action: slackytude likes mises [09:42] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [09:42] I installed slackware on a 64 bit amd opteron machine [09:43] its only addressing 4GB of ram how can I tell if i'm running 64 bit kernel ? [09:43] >-< [09:43] nargon, running slackware = 32bit [09:44] hence sladmd64.. ok.. [09:44] slackware is 32-bit. if you want 64-bit, slamd64 will suffice :> [09:45] is slamd look and feel like slackware ? [09:45] uhh yeah [09:45] slamd64 is an unofficial port of slackware to x86_64 [09:45] it it stable for a production core router ? [09:45] I run it on laptop and desktop at home.. works great [09:45] nargon: yep [09:45] nargon: put it this way.. thepiratebay.org uses slamd64 ;) [09:46] ok.. i have to confevert from obsd/pf to slack/netfilter [09:46] my obsd doesn't have the performance in the network stack that i need [09:46] convert* [09:47] dios_mio: good read. [09:47] agentc0re, nod [09:47] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-71-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] JLinux (n=usr@189.115.227.108.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:48] Does anybody use Blackbox? [09:48] state question or problem first [09:48] ;) [09:48] Dominian, how do you know? [09:49] so if i'm looking for stability should i get slamd64 12.1 ? [09:49] Dominian, iam? [09:49] nargon: are you just wanting 64bit so it will recognize more ram? [09:49] nargon: I run slamd64 12.1, I like it [09:50] ...if you were looking for a purely subjective opinion :) [09:50] hi are there updates for slackware...on its packages...? [09:50] but, why do you care whether a router runs a 32 or 64 bit OS? [09:51] (why would a router need >4 gigs of RAM?) [09:51] like repos or rpm.. [09:51] ruben23: slackpkg update ; slackpkg upgrade [09:51] have to edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors first though [09:52] ruben23: i guess i just assumed I should run 64 bit for better performacnce.. [09:52] i don't need the extra ram.. [09:52] nargon: if it's a production system, it's worth doing actual benchmarks [09:52] JLinux: doh.. what problem are you having? [09:52] if you have it, it's dumb not to, in my opinion [09:52] nargon: plus you don't need 64bit to recognize more than 4Gb ram. I run slack 12.1 for my vmware server at work. I have 8Gb ram. I just had to build the kernel with 64Gb support. [09:53] I haven't done any network benchmarks for 64-bit vs. 32-bit, so I can't really say whether it's even worth it [09:53] Dominian, Don't game Tibia and the key alt as well as the accents work, do I use Blackbox, would anybody know as altering the functions of the keys for the game? [09:53] agentc0re: i'm not worried about the ram.. I just wanted optimal peformance for netfilter [09:53] damn.. not I JLinux ... I'm sure some one here might now [09:53] 64-bit code isn't automatically faster than 32-bit [09:53] the box will be routing 200Mb traffic [09:54] so? [09:54] heh [09:54] and running more than 4GB in a 32bit kernel means using PAE [09:54] :) well then i'm going to stick with the slackware 12 i just installed on it :) [09:54] and it sounds like your bottleneck is I/O, not CPU or memory [09:54] Dominian, u no know? [09:55] JLinux: No I don't.. I use KDE [09:55] urchlay: yap.. so .. i really am fine with 32 bit slacware 12.0 [09:55] Urchlay:/etc/slackpkg/mirrors i dont see this directory.. [09:55] Dominian, humm, problem kde too :( [09:55] ruben23: which version of slackware have you got? [09:55] JLinux: you might be better off in #slackware-br ? [09:55] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [09:55] slackpkg is new in 12.2 [09:56] haha.. looks like you'rein there already [09:56] Urchlay: aye [09:56] was moved from /extra [09:56] its been in /extra for quite a while [09:56] its 12.1 slackware.. [09:56] I betcha ruben23 didn't install anything from /extra... [09:56] probably not [09:57] ruben23: grab the slackpkg package from /extra [09:57] Dominian:how..? [09:57] nargon: If you wanted to, try it. I use 32bit OS (Untangle) for my router/firewall needs. we have a 10Mb I-net connection, 4 locations, 150+ Employee's. It filters Spam, Web(phish, block sites and spyware), Virues, IPS, some others... On top of this it runs java which is a power horse stealing mofo and also creates PDF reports that are usually over 10Mb in size. It's just a dual core 2.0 with 4gb ram and 120gb HD. [09:57] Dominian, I'am in the 2, does have problem that? [09:58] mocas (n=mocas@87.196.244.105) joined ##slackware. [09:58] JLinux: nope.. no problem at all.. did you ask in there if they could help you? Since you could probably speak your native language? I'm having a tough time completely understanding what it is you're trying to do. [09:58] ruben23: wget ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.1/extra/slackpkg/slackpkg-2.70.3-noarch-2.tgz && installpkg slackpkg-2.70.3-noarch-2.tgz [09:58] hi there [09:58] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Dominian, how do you know piratebay runs slamd? [09:58] (yeah, gave him a fish instead of teaching him to fish...) [09:58] slackytude: :) [09:58] because it's stable [09:58] ah, of course [09:58] I have installed slax, that derived from slackware, and I have difficults to installs my wireless device, anyone can help me? [09:59] its stable [ in bed ] [09:59] mocas, #slax [09:59] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.73) joined ##slackware. [09:59] it's emppty :( [09:59] mocas: sure, isntall slackware and come back [09:59] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Client Quit [09:59] lol [09:59] http://addins.wkowtv.com/blogs/behindthenews/ [09:59] slackytude: give me a minute.. I'll find the article [09:59] that ubuntu story really got big [10:00] :( [10:00] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [10:00] mocas, nothing personaly, but if we give out candy to slax users, we get a zerg rush of 'em [10:00] s/personaly/personal [10:00] Dominian, Hummm... they are trying me to help also! But up to now anything certain. My English is terrible same, excuse! [10:00] there are enough slax users to constitute a zerg rush? [10:00] there might be [10:00] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] scary [10:01] especially cause I can't remember enough starcraft to know what to do if I get zerg rushed [10:01] agentc0re: in the evenings there are over 15K people on our network that will be goign through the firewall... [10:01] be prepared before they come [10:01] Dominian, My problem is with the key ALT and the accents, in a game called " Tibia " the keys don't work correctly. [10:01] router* [10:01] I understand,,, [10:02] slackytude: oh, right. That's why I suck at starcraft... [10:02] or fly away if you play humans [10:02] hi Urchlay:Dominian: can ask link to read for slackware commands... [10:02] ruben23, check /topic [10:02] while slax IS based on slackware, we tend to find that most of their issues are very specific to slax, and often work properly im slackware [10:03] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:03] slackytude:what you mean..? [10:03] my problem is general, it's install hardware, but it's ok [10:04] isBEKaml (n=Ilamal@122.164.229.21) joined ##slackware. [10:04] ruben23, nevermind http://slackbook.org [10:04] I can't fidn the damn article... [10:04] fred: ping [10:04] fred: piratebay runs slamd64 article.. where is it? [10:04] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-200296.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:05] Dominian: I don't think there was an article...they just told him [10:06] Dominian, man, U know? [10:08] Dominian: fred said he'll write a blog about it. 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[10:14] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-6980bc0f795a6602) left irc: [10:14] command to install [10:15] ./configure && make && make install [10:15] nope! [10:15] see slackbuilds.org for scripts that build packages for you [10:15] dios_mio, dont tell newbies to simply make install [10:16] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-69-180.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:16] i thought that was the slack way [10:16] uhm..FAIL [10:16] Pat uses slackbuilds to build packages. I think that's probably a good indication [10:17] is it possible for a process' rss to be larger than vsz? [10:17] as reported by ps [10:17] Action: [MA]Amine where is Pat ? [10:17] The good ole "./configure && make && make install" is a very good way to learn more about compiling programs. Using SlackBuild scripts is _easier_ but the teaching value is zero [10:17] dios_mio, while it will work most of the time, you get in a lot of trouble when you want to remove or update software installed by make install. also, most configure's will need a --prefix=/usr [10:18] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-b3d26de5077df71d) joined ##slackware. [10:19] slackytude, you worry too much.. it is not that harmful.. if he was an admin of a huge network he wouldnt have to ask anyway.. if he uses a home desktop then it wont matter if the system isnt very tidy [10:19] what is the suggested mirrors for my slackpkg update... [10:19] It DOES matter when he goes to uninstall..or update [10:20] Guys, speaking about SlackBuilds, I do have a question. While SlackBuilds was helpful in installing packages, it doesn't tell me much about what other packages I need to run the current installation package successfully. [10:20] I think Slackware's strength is that it _allows_ you to use "./configure && make && make install" without getting into problems. Try compiling from source in a RPM based distro... it will cause you considerable pain [10:20] not to mention you didnt even give him the valid configure lines [10:20] isBEKaml: "current installation package" ?? [10:20] isBEKaml: dependancies? read the slackbuild README for the package you are installing. [10:20] straterra, I told him what I do.. I have no problems.. [10:21] Proper way != no problems [10:21] Where do I find help on picking the right ones? for eg., with MPlayer, it just told me that I can install the media codecs from another SlackBuild if I need them. But didn't say anything more about it. [10:21] dimmerbold, alienBOB yes, dependencies.. [10:22] straterra, this is just about the etiquette.. like not irc'ing as root... it is exagerated [10:22] dios_mio: how do you upgrade packages you compile from source ? [10:22] It has nothing to do with etiquette [10:22] isBEKaml, there is a slackbuild for the codes and it says so in the readme for mplayer [10:22] Good practice is good practice for a reason [10:22] Because sooner or later it WILL present a problem [10:22] thrice`, I never had to upgrade.. if I had to I would just copmile the new version and install the same way.. if it doesnt work right I would go delete the old files [10:22] isBEKaml: it will either tell you the pkg name and say "also avaialble as a slackbuild"..or do a search [10:22] dios_mio: how would you know exactly where all the old files are? [10:23] straterra, it will never ruin the whole system but even if it will, big deal.. I will reinstall [10:23] lol [10:23] It IS a big deal [10:23] straterra: what is your problem? [10:23] slackytude, yes, it does say "there is a slackBuild". And, I also found that media codecs already came along with the main MPlayer slackBuild too. That got me confused. :( [10:23] straterra, rm `which command` [10:23] It's a big deal when you give out piss poor advice here [10:23] alienBOB: My problem is people giving out bad advice [10:23] make install installs *much* more than just a binary [10:23] Again, it was not bad advice. [10:24] Yes, it was [10:24] SlackBuild scripts and packages are no dogmas [10:24] straterra, he is asking about how to untar a tarball for god sakes.. he is obviously not a network admin with huge responsiblities... nothing important is ruined [10:24] Improper configure lines, and installing out of packages? [10:24] Bad advice [10:24] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:24] dios_mio: That's an assumption..and he asked HOW to compile/install [10:24] not just untar [10:24] hi guys...be cool...:-D [10:24] It is _an_ advice, out of several possibilities, but not a bad advice [10:24] It is most certainly bad advice [10:25] nargon: FWIW, slamd64.com is still running on 12.0 [10:25] I think telling people to make install is terrible advise. learning distro specific methods is the best way to go [10:25] Again, /ignore straterra [10:25] It goes against standard convention and is NOT what we want to recommend to people [10:25] Ignore me..I don't really care. But that's not something an op should do. [10:25] it's not the best answer. but it wasnt totally evil either [10:25] I am telling my friend about linux, she has never even heard of it. I am going through some of the features like workspaces and less worry about viruses. She says "nice nice nice". I said yes it's very convenient. She says "more than convenient - sounds like how it should be" [10:25] straterra, it was how things were done in slackware before the slackbuilds [10:25] you overreact dude [10:25] dios_mio: uh..what? [10:25] dios_mio, no, it wasnt [10:25] straterra, well I was using slackware 10 years ago, and back then there was no slackbuilds or anything [10:26] dios_mio, besides, there is no "before slackbuilds" [10:26] I disagree [10:26] dios_mio: yes, there were. How do you think Pat made packages ? [10:26] If you've been running for 10 years..there is no excuse for that advice then. [10:26] dios_mio: all these recent Slackware converts only think about SlackBuilds and have no clue about Slackware history. To many, creating packages is a dogma [10:26] We don't want to teach newcomers how to clutter their systems [10:26] alienBOB: recent converts? [10:26] alienBOB, I agree with you [10:26] Yes [10:26] Such as who? [10:27] straterra, it is a desktop system.. he is probably trying to install an mp3 player or something... it wont ruin anything [10:27] Next thing you'll ask is for default runlevel 4 straterra because it is so convenient [10:27] dios_mio: how do you know its a desktop? It doesn't have to be..and besides thats moot [10:27] It was bad advice [10:27] There we go again [10:27] alienBOB: No..thats just retarded [10:27] straterra, if he was a system admin he wouldnt have to come to irc to ask about how to install a tarball [10:28] This isn't about convenience [10:28] im setting up a predisctive dialer for production... [10:28] make install IS convenience [10:28] Call me retarded, I dont care [10:28] I didn't call you retarded. [10:28] My problem is with the key ALT and the accents, in a game called " Tibia " the keys don't work correctly. [10:28] I called your statement retarded. [10:28] If i introduce my friend who has never used linux before and is not very computer savvy onto say, Kubuntu? [10:28] rephrase [10:28] should I [10:28] _mr_S (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:29] i don't know a good beginners distro other than Kubuntu [10:29] or maybe sabayon [10:29] I feel the guy who kicks a pebble and a whole avalanche comes down [10:29] alienBOB: you are HONESTLY going to defend that installing software outside of a package with improper configuration lines is NOT bad advice? [10:29] Action: thrice` started on slackware as his first :> [10:29] yeah, i didn't start on an easy one [10:29] thrice`, me too ^-^ [10:29] thrice`: me as well. :) [10:29] As an OP and self-proclaimed Slackware contributer? [10:29] Action: jkwood started on Slax as his first, and quickly moved to Slackware [10:29] but ubuntu did not exist at the time [10:29] jeez ppl you love fighting.. you really do [10:29] right [10:29] and I did configure && make && make install all the time , too [10:30] If thats the case..why do you have packages, alienBOB? [10:30] Why not just ship tarballs where people can do make install? [10:30] I have never used Ubuntu, though I have used Sabayon. Do you think I should suggest Ubuntu to her? [10:30] Because its messy. That's why. [10:30] straterra, you know, these last few weeks, you always are in a bad temper [10:30] She wouldn't be able to do slackware [10:30] straterra: stop making an ass of yourself [10:30] slackytude: I'm not in a bad temper.. [10:30] alienBOB: not making ... already made :) [10:30] alienBOB: I'm not making an ass. Most all of the regulars here agree with my points. [10:30] straterra, it is not improper.. installing on /usr/local/ wont ruin the system.. I do that and things run ok [10:31] Action: rk4n3 pokes straterra [10:31] ahem... [10:31] btw: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/slackware/3.1/source/a/bash/SlackBuild [10:31] dios_mio: 10 years ago there weren't slackbulds? [10:31] straterra, that must be because you installed vista [10:31] That was more than 10 years ago... [10:31] I provide packages and scripts as a convenience, but that does not imply that compiling/installing on the commandline is bad [10:32] it isn't bad, but shouldn't be recommended imo [10:32] straterra, see, I didnt use linux for the whole past decade, but I used slackware 10 years ago, and back then the only way was to install from tarballs with configure and make.. nobody told me anything about any slackbuilds [10:32] thrice`: agreed [10:32] dios_mio: You are mistaken. [10:32] thrice`: thats my point..it is not bad to compile on command line..its bad ADVICE to suggest it to someone instead of the proper way [10:32] because then they come back and say, "Hi, I've make install'ed the last 10 pidgin releases, and my system doesn't work. how can I clean it?" [10:32] Yup [10:32] dios_mio, you because nobody told you or you didnt knew doesnt mean there weren't any. [10:32] or "How do I uninstall this?" [10:33] "make uninstall" of course. [10:33] dios_mio: you must be a certified Linux admin. [10:33] ... ten times. [10:33] dios_mio, disregard my last line, too many errors and Im to lazy to fix [10:33] straterra: lol [10:33] anyone running VMware-server-1.0.6-91891.tar.gz on 12.2 running stock kernel-2.6.27.7-smp [10:33] ? [10:33] I agree that it is useful to be able to uninstall packages.. but a newbie can barely learn the configure && make.. and making a package is confusing.. actually I still dont know how [10:33] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] dtanner: I run 2.0 vmware server on slackware [10:33] dios_mio: slackbuilds are hardly confusing [10:34] Guys, just a gentle reminder. Perhaps, I should have phrased my question right the first time. :( If I have to install a package, how do I know what are the libraries/files that it installs. I ask this, especially so that I can easily decide whether I need such-and-such package as mentioned in the README? [10:34] You've been using Slackware for 10 years..and don't know how to use/make slackbuilds? [10:34] You cant run a bash script? [10:34] That's...so sad. [10:34] isBEKaml: tar tzf package.tgz [10:34] ILOCH (n=fee@189.111.163.200) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Dominian: 2.0 ? can you blast me the link to that source ? [10:34] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:34] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-6-210.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] straterra, I told you, I used slackware 10 years ago, but then I converted back to windows.. I havent been using linux the whole time [10:34] You don't even read what dios_mio types do you straterra [10:34] alienBOB: Yes I do. [10:35] You don't understand the point anyone here is making, do you alienBOB? [10:35] Dominian: did you pass "--compile" and built the kernel module vmmon ? [10:35] rk4n3, that's a listing of files - how do I know what libraries that it installs? tar.gz files are mostly source files. [10:35] About why it was bad advice [10:35] isBEKaml: less /var/log/packages/name-of-package [10:35] dtanner: wait.. wait.. virtualbox or vmware? [10:35] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.103.35) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:35] vmware [10:35] er.. [10:35] Id idn['t pass anything for compile [10:35] I just kicked off the install script [10:35] isBEKaml: it should be in the README file for the package. The other way is if you don't know what packages are needed and the README does not list them all, you can install the package, then start the program from the command line and see what error message comes back [10:35] isBEKaml: tar tzf package.tgz | grep "\.so" [10:35] Jesus [10:35] isBEKaml: tar tzf package.tgz | grep "\.lib" [10:35] isBEKaml: Anything in a /lib directory is a pretty good candidate for being a library. [10:35] jkwood is the man to listen to isBEKaml [10:36] jkwood = a tool [10:36] mrselfpwn: I resemble that remark ! :) [10:36] and rk4n3 is right sometimes too ;) [10:36] /bin is where binaries go, /man for man pages, /doc for documentation, /share for "shared files" (images, that kind of thing.) [10:36] a tool for success! [10:36] hehe [10:36] /usr/local for dios_mio installed software [10:36] you mean resent>> [10:36] ? [10:36] isBEKaml: btw - slackware packages are tar.gz files, not necessarily source-only files. if you look at a slackware CD, all of the packages are tar.gz files and are NOT source files (unless you're installing the package from the source directory) [10:37] /etc is where configuration files go (No good mnemonic for that one.) [10:37] alisonken1home: that.. confused me [10:37] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:37] Dominian: ditto [10:37] Dominian: read his last statement - "all tgz files are source files" [10:37] alisonken1home: please say "gzipped tar files" or "tgz" files instead of "packages are tar.gz files" ¬_¬ [10:37] s/all/most/ [10:37] alisonken1home: Yeah.. I saw that.. but .. what ou said.. I had to read like 5 times to understand lol [10:37] Oh, and /bin (and /sbin) get scripts at times. But, they're still executable. [10:37] Dominian: I didn't see a version 2.0 vmwware , could you paste the link to that vecause i keep getting compile errors while installing VMware-server-1.0.6-91891.tar.gz. I wonder if I am doing something wrong , a HOWTO says to run the installer and pass the --compile to it to have build the kernel module vmmon [10:38] fred: understood :) [10:38] dtanner: well here's the catch.. if you install vmware 2.0 on slackware.. you have to use pam [10:38] Dominian: the lower version do not require PAM ?, under 2.0 ? [10:38] dtanner: right [10:38] well they require you to do: mkdir -p /etc/pam.d [10:38] alisonken1home, I agree about slackware packages. But I was speaking about SlackBuilds.... [10:38] to "fake" it out [10:39] but on 2.0 you can't get away with that [10:39] Dominian: just curious but did the installer build a kernel module called vmmon in the 2.0 ? [10:39] dtanner: yes [10:39] Anyway, thanks guys, especially jkwood and rk4n3 for pointing me towards the /lib s! :) [10:39] isBEKaml: Oh, that. Well, there's really no fast way to tell without building it. [10:39] nothing .. 50 bucks [10:39] dtanner: and getting pam to work ins lackware tou se vmware 2.0 is easy [10:39] so Ubununtu or Kubuntu is the way to tell this new commer to go? I don't want to ruin them on the experience and I have never used either of those distros above. [10:39] isBEKaml: ok - a slackkbuild file is a script that makes a slackware package out of a source gzipped tar file, true. missed your part about slackbuilds [10:39] Although, you can often get an idea from the rpm listings google gives me whenever I search for a package name. =) [10:39] mrselfpwn: Slackware [10:40] jkwood, yes, precisely my problem.. [10:40] eh [10:40] mrselfpwn: that's the only answer you'll get from me ;) [10:40] lol [10:40] Dominian: ok thanks [10:40] mrselfpwn, Ive heard pclinux is like windows [10:40] mrselfpwn: Slack makes a good desktop [10:40] actually mrselfpwn .. openSUSE is another I'd recommend. [10:40] hmm [10:40] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-211-208.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Dominian, huh? [10:40] those are booth good [10:40] mrselfpwn: KDE is so brain-dead easy [10:40] Slackware/Slamd64/openSUSE [10:40] both* [10:40] right [10:40] slackytude: huh what? openSUSE is actually not bad at all. [10:40] SlackBuilds.org requires that all dependencies not included in Slack by default are noted in each SlackBuild readme. [10:40] Dominian, Id never recommend suse except to enemies of mine [10:40] slackytude: suse is fine. [10:40] pclinux or openSuse i think [10:41] 11.0 is awesome and 11.1 is just as good [10:41] I cant stand yast [10:41] <_mr_S> what about Mint and Mandriva ? [10:41] You can also browse the source repository of slacky.eu. They also provide SlackBuilds (I wouldn't use their packages, but their SlackBuilds aren't too bad.) [10:41] does mandrive still exist? [10:41] mandriva exists and it's very nice [10:41] slackytude, LOL! [10:41] Mandriva..yes [10:41] <_mr_S> yep ... barely i have to admit [10:41] i am very good with mandriva [10:41] she basically just does research and instant messaging [10:41] Dominian: Except for the inclusion of PulseAudio, or course. [10:42] a friend of mine installed mandriva (i thought i had handed him the knoppix dvd) but he loves it [10:42] and he's a total newb [10:42] lol [10:42] mrselfpwn: you can install slack for her, and help her learn linux, then [10:42] kewl [10:42] mandriva compared to vista is an easy win :D [10:42] but there's always slackware (you can remotely administer it) [10:42] yeah mandriva has great history to be overlooked [10:42] Unless you want to game [10:42] hehehe [10:42] _mr_S, Mint's good and easy on the newbies. I have heard a lot of favourable reviews though I have never used it. I worked my way up from Ubuntu. :) [10:42] or use some scanners.. [10:42] jkwood: there's a slackbuild for pulseaudio too...unfortunately [10:42] she lives on the other side of the world :/ [10:43] mrselfpwn: so connect to her PC, and show her. [10:43] pprkut: D: [10:43] pprkut: I poked aseigo on his blog about Slack not including pulseaudio. ;) [10:43] mrselfpwn: KDE ships with desktop sharing [10:43] <_mr_S> Mint = working out of teh box. Basically the counterpart of Ubuntu [10:43] Who created this atrocity? [10:43] jkwood: what? [10:43] pulse audio is absolutely gaytarded [10:43] especially since alsa now includes dmix by default [10:43] but i could be wrong for some applications [10:43] jkwood: if only I had known it's shit earlier.... [10:43] ok [10:43] jkwood: who cares about pulseaudio? Remove it. [10:43] pprkut: D= [10:43] TwinReverb: well, long time since I heard that one :) [10:43] done. [10:43] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [10:43] haha [10:44] thank you everyone for your input [10:44] can't remember where,but I remember overhearing this somewhere, possibly fosdem last year: [10:44] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [10:44] why phonon, when there's gstreamer or soon, pulse audio? [10:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:44] because phonon isn't retarded. [10:44] pjammer (n=nerb@CPE001b63f545f4-CM00194757e7b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [10:44] <_mr_S> pulseAudio is quite nice and delivers very good sound [10:45] don't get me wrong.. pulseaudio sucks [10:45] get rid of the "quite nice" part, and realise that the last part is pretty much a given [10:45] _mr_S: what do you smoke? [10:45] honestly there is no longer a need that i can find for a layer over alsa. alsa now has dmix. also, most cards now come with multiple mixers. seriously, we don't need anything but alsa now (and maybe jack and friends for pro audio, but still you get my point) [10:45] you can't uninstall pulse audio from mandriva, which pisses me off [10:45] <_mr_S> you dont wanna know .... [10:45] pulseaudio was nothing more than a pain in the ass [10:45] but most people don't notice [10:45] TwinReverb: I see a need for two layers: [10:45] 1) a codec layer [10:45] 2) a platform abstraction layer [10:46] 1 being xine/gstremaer/mplayer/videolan/directshow/quicktime for phonon, 2 being phonon :D [10:46] fred: isn't that sdl? [10:46] Today in ##slackware: All the drama you've been missing for the past month and a half. Tomorrow: The return of the lemon party. [10:46] Stay tuned! [10:46] jkwood: you arent allowed to say that..you'll get BANNED [10:46] <_mr_S> i just herad/swa tehresult of PulseUadio. Sound very nice warm and clean. But no idea when it comes to app building for pulse audio. We will see [10:46] jkwood: groan!!!!! [10:46] fred, what need? what can alsa not do? [10:46] ZOMG [10:46] jkwood BAN! [10:46] TwinReverb: (a) work on windows on mac (b) decode flac. [10:47] fred, alsa isn't for windows or mac [10:47] see above two layers. [10:47] Congratulations, that's my point. [10:47] and alsa could decode flac if it wanted, they just don't progam it in, and flac doesn't include a player [10:47] err what [10:47] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:47] alsa was never meant for windows or mac so i don't get where that is coming from [10:47] alsa would be the wrong place to implement codesc anyway [10:48] i agree: put 'em in the players [10:48] heck no. [10:48] alsa is just your sound drivers essentially [10:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:48] there's libflac, that can be your "codec" [10:48] or , I use one of the existing libraries that gives me support for many different formats, which backs on top of alsa [10:48] i see slackware with alsa and dmix meeting every need that i have is my point. why the other items? i'm not being rude, i'm actually genuinely curious [10:49] as for playing audio, it all streams to wav output in the end anyways, so i really just don't get why we need a layer to fix something. what's broken? nothing's broken here.... [10:49] TwinReverb: If you need lower latency audio... [10:49] pjammer (n=nerb@CPE001b63f545f4-CM00194757e7b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:49] define lower latency [10:49] Uhm..lower latency [10:49] fred: PM? [10:49] Real time audio [10:49] <_mr_S> that;s why i love slackware. If you dont like something -> change it :) [10:49] twinreverb, you said your friend liked mandravia? [10:49] the recording aspect of audio does not skip frames due to latency of grabbing new audio frames from driver [10:49] i don't understand. how is audio not real time? are you saying pro audio engineering? [10:49] mrselfpwn, yes and he was a total n00b [10:49] allend (n=allend@203-217-87-47.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [10:50] Ok [10:50] i know it was mispelled :) [10:50] TwinReverb: when you play a file..latency doesnt really matter [10:50] if for pro audio engineering, i can see that, but then (imh[umble]o) you can use a sound "engine" for that [10:50] pprkut (n=hwiesing@gw.fh-burgenland.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] but i thought jack took care of that need [10:50] When you are taking LIVE audio in, editing/etc, then spitting it back out latency DOES matter [10:50] You asked when dmix/alsa wouldn't be sufficient [10:50] (or using a real time kernel, but i'll say it right up front: i am totally ignorant because i've never done that stuff) [10:51] well then i ask, didn't jack supposedly fix that? [10:51] TwinReverb: recording real-time audio (like from a concert/church service/etc.. ) your recording system needs to ensure that all audio packets are captured - that's why higher-end audio recording (like ardour) use jack instead of just grabbing from alsa [10:51] jack is the proper layer there, yes [10:51] so then would we need a real time kernel also? [10:52] RT helps, but if your system is lightly loaded you can get by without rt [10:52] pjammer (n=nerb@CPE001b63f545f4-CM00194757e7b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:52] so then what i am asking is why we need pulse audio. i thought for sure alsa + jack did what we needed [10:53] if your system has extra stuff going on (like using the same box for powerpoint-type presentation while recording service), then RT comes in handy [10:53] pjammer (n=nerb@CPE001b63f545f4-CM00194757e7b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] <_mr_S> look at it as alsa and jack beeing fused together [10:53] Action: fred just sighs happily content that TwinReverb had nothing to do with the design of jerboa :) [10:53] jerboa? [10:53] YANIHP [10:54] fred: now I'm curious too - jerboa? [10:54] pjammer (n=nerb@CPE001b63f545f4-CM00194757e7b4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:54] ew. Yani High Performance? i had enough issues with his normal ones :D :P [10:54] <_mr_S> I want a cookie ! [10:54] wow TwinReverb, you can even import your Documents and Settings folder from Windows with Mandriva. [10:55] my main point here though was why pulse audio is needed. this came mainly out of ignorance, sure, but also out of having issues using just normal freakin' sound. pulse audio dorked a bunch of stuff up for someone like me with only one mixer [10:55] mrselfpwn, true but i don't know how much i trust that [10:55] then again, i always delete windows anyways :D [10:55] right, lol [10:55] Nick change: spook -> Ackbar [10:55] windows - what's that? [10:55] It's better than the feature not existing at all i guess. [10:55] i may try that with vista just for the heck of it, right before i install slackware on my new laptop [10:55] ITS A TRAP [10:55] HAHA [10:55] lol [10:56] ITS A TARP [10:56] IT'S A TART [10:56] Action: TwinReverb eats the tart [10:56] I'm gonna get the live cd and give it a test spin. I have a vista partition on this pc. [10:56] Action: TwinReverb folds up the tarp and puts it away [10:56] <_mr_S> still I wonder about Windows7 [10:56] mrselfpwn, don't use the live cd. just install it. [10:56] TwinReverb: wrong tart - think red-light district :) [10:56] _mr_S: its a trap [10:56] Action: TwinReverb barfs [10:56] i'm not curious about windows 7 [10:56] windows 7 is going to be what vista should have been [10:57] <[MA]Amine> _mr_S: I don't trust the product of marketers [10:57] it's The Same Old Thing 7 [10:57] not on my computer Twin [10:57] lol [10:57] minus all the features they've been promising for 10 years [10:57] like winfs [10:57] <_mr_S> windows will feed on our blood and suck every intelligence right out of our brains :) [10:57] well, the developer is talking about how much smaller the Windows7 kernel is now [10:58] <[MA]Amine> is windows has a kernel ? [10:58] smaller compared to..? [10:58] <_mr_S> bt honostly I do noit beleive that windows is actually a bad system,. just not mine .... [10:58] default setup size for win7 is around 8 gigs [10:58] yes it has kernel [10:58] Ackbar: think "It's better than the previous version ...." [10:58] slackytude: actually its about 5 [10:58] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-6-210.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:58] not on this install [10:58] i have vista and it made things harder [10:58] tea4me_ (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-89.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] probally not smaller than xp kernel [10:59] easily smaller than vista unless they add more bloat before release [10:59] tea4me_ (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-4-89.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:59] now instead of 2 clicks to get to my network interfaces I have to make 5 [10:59] Vista's kernel is a great improvement over XP's [10:59] <_mr_S> nop e windows 7 will be what Vista has lacked. [10:59] uh.. [10:59] ye gods, not this discussion again [10:59] Windows 7 is for all intents and purposes Vista [10:59] Action: slackytude is doing the timewarp [10:59] <[MA]Amine> has anyone hacked the code source of windows kernel ? [10:59] <[MA]Amine> :P [10:59] right straterra [10:59] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-211-208.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:59] slackytude: just a jump to the left ..... [11:00] with more DRM i'm sure [11:00] straterra: to put it another way, vista is windows 7, release candidate negative 15 [11:00] alisonken1home, with your hands on your hips [11:00] <_mr_S> DFRM is dead [11:00] you can have your M$ anything [ in bed ] [11:00] mrselfpwn: DRM isn't really a function of the OS..more of the player and file [11:00] [MA]Amine: yes. [11:00] [ in bed ] [11:00] with mandriva you can (believe it or not) rebuild the kernel but just be sure you do it properly [11:00] ITS A TRAP [ in bed ] [11:00] Action: TwinReverb stabs Ackbar [11:00] well, that may be true. Though they took out the ability to have a sandbox in vista x64 [11:00] Action: slackytude doesnt like traps [ in bed ] [11:01] reallove (n=dan@dan.btn.ro) joined ##slackware. [11:01] <[MA]Amine> BP{k}: what language they use :P ? [11:01] because they think they are the only ones worth of protecting your kernel [11:01] slackytude's a trap. [11:01] whats the dead with that [ in bed ] thing after all? [11:01] Action: isBEKaml eww.. Ackbar's fav comment, huh? [11:01] Action: slackytude shakes head [11:01] i was so pissed when i found i couldn't run sandboxie in vista 64 [11:01] [MA]Amine: I don't know. personally I haven't seen any windows sourcecode [11:01] aperturefever: you must be new here [ in bed ] [11:01] fred, is it true that piratebay runs on slamd? [11:02] yes. [11:02] fred, is there some link for that? [11:02] is that awesome (y/n) [11:02] well, assuming by 'slamd' you mean 'slamd64' [11:02] <[MA]Amine> BP{k}: maybe it will be visual basic 6.0 LOL [11:02] slackytude: not that I know of [11:02] fred: that is freaking awesome [11:02] fred, yeah, what else? [11:02] fred, shame [11:02] Action: fred is just being picky about the name of his work. [11:02] fred: how can that be proven? i wanna brag to ubuntards [11:02] sorry [11:02] [MA]Amine: VB6 is only the wrapper, the core runs on qbasic ;) [11:03] <[MA]Amine> BP{k}: LOL [11:03] <[MA]Amine> exactly [11:03] sk$a98L}_OcP34* [11:03] erm... [11:03] Action: fred -> changing a password [11:03] BP{k}, LOL [11:03] fred, :D [11:03] nice password [11:03] easy to remeber too [11:04] Action: Ackbar changes fred's password for him [11:04] fred: new one is $ag^starwars*tarp [11:04] that machine isn't on the internet :p [11:04] unless something's broken, it's not routable out of my room :p [11:04] fred: how can i prove that piratebay runs slamd64? [11:05] You probably can't. [11:05] If you find a way, let me know. [11:05] how do you know? [11:05] archdave (n=Dave@71-91-222-3.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Action: fred was told be one of the pirate bay guys [11:05] cool [11:05] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.76.247) joined ##slackware. [11:05] hi how am i going to download and install that GPG key [11:05] aperturefever: [in bed] started as a side remark of Dominian and just took off [11:05] well, to be precise, some random person told me, so I asked one of the pirate bay guys. [11:08] if you can't trust random persons, who can you trust? [11:08] fred seriously doesnt trust anyone [11:08] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] thanks for the info alisonken1home [11:08] _mr_S (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] well, almost time to go home [11:09] fred: wasn't it a mix of slamd64/slackware with slamd64 being the majority? [11:09] sweet weekend, here I come [11:09] see ya chaps later [11:09] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD8BC6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "and away" [11:11] Dominian fred: http://securep2p.org/index.php?title=User:Tiamo [11:12] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:12] alienBOB, :) [11:13] there ya go spook [11:13] chopp: it's Ackbar now - he redid himself [11:13] awesome! [11:13] nah i'm just watching rotj [11:15] Nick change: Ackbar -> spook [11:16] Juaco1 (n=juaco@200-122-10-168.dsl.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [11:17] kama (n=kama@host192-112-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:17] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:18] archdave (n=Dave@71-91-222-3.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:19] iyobe_ (n=iyobe@96.231.216.84) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:20] josemanuel (n=josemanu@207.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:22] StrongSow (n=bobson@bas1-toronto50-1176178448.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:25] alienBOB: yeah that's it [11:25] ready... ready... 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[12:09] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:09] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h181-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:10] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:10] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE9205F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [12:11] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-51.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:11] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.19.212) joined ##slackware. [12:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:22] PingFloyd (n=pingfloy@adsl-64-217-182-150.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [12:22] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:24] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.19.40) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:25] i have problem [12:25] i`ve compiled 2.6.28, there is information that sysfs is deprecated [12:25] but udev when trying to load firmware want to get access to sysfs/ [12:25] how can I load firmware without sysfs ? [12:25] todakure (n=todakure@189.26.164.90.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:26] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-205-233-125-97.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:29] mac-, you can certainly make sysfs still available, it's still in the kernel on purpose [12:32] yeah [12:32] but if it is depreceted there should be possible to load firmware by udev without sysfs [12:33] isn't your firmware in /lib/firmware ? [12:33] yes there is [12:33] and it is very strange [12:33] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] i have two devices which need to load firmware [12:33] ZyDAS USB WIFI and Yamaha YMF724 [12:33] actually I was wondering why sysfs was required [12:34] ZyDAS loads without any problems [12:34] old driver, i'd imagine [12:34] but Yamaha couldn`t [12:36] re-inventing the wheel happens all the time in linux :) [12:37] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [12:38] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:38] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:40] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:41] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.147.26) joined ##slackware. [12:41] xteraco (n=xteraco@67.133.153.3) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:41] hey [12:41] what goes on people? [12:42] skin [12:42] Ski masks. [12:42] semen [12:42] lol [12:42] Action: thrice` was just waiting [12:42] Not all people, though. [12:42] im sorry. the answer was lights [12:43] rip off [12:43] improper grammar confusion fail [12:43] conraid (n=conraid@87.13.193.134) joined ##slackware. [12:45] im bored [12:46] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:49] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] familliar with crontabs....? [12:52] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:53] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:53] anyone know on crontab function.. [12:54] yea [12:54] what about them? [12:55] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:57] i got error whe tried to input like this..http://pastebin.com/m28c2a6f1 [12:57] how am i going to correct this.. [12:57] With jesus [12:58] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [12:59] lol straterra [12:59] hmmm.....anyone have idea on this... [13:01] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.241.50) joined ##slackware. [13:03] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:04] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h181-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [13:05] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h181-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:05] ruben23: in your crontab do you have all of that on a single line? [13:06] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:08] no [13:09] 2 lines.. [13:09] Chaos666 (n=hostile@141.85.0.66) joined ##slackware. [13:10] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@nat-vlan10.algonquincollege.com) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Make it one [13:11] Read the man page [13:12] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:13] SM177Y_ (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [13:14] yes i got it thanks... [13:14] SM177Y_ (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) joined ##slackware. [13:14] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-199225.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] lowkyalur (n=low@icm7-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Action: SlackNeo is listening to Chris Brown - Yo (Excuse Me Miss) [13:17] Action: mina86 is listening to Pink Floyd 08/12. The Fletcher Memorial Home [13:17] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] That better not be a script, or you'll get yelled at. [13:18] You'll probably get yelled at anyway. [13:18] jkwood: http://dubstep.7a69.co.uk/~ash/crawling.jpg [13:18] :-P [13:18] lowkyalur (n=low@icm7-orange.orange.sk) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] acidchild: Isn't that straterra's mom? [13:19] playing with my new errrarrr [13:19] tribeca (n=naitso@host213-34-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:20] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:20] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:21] conraid (n=conraid@87.13.193.134) left irc: "Quit!" [13:23] h8R (n=ari_pak@87-126-67-121.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:24] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [13:25] hey guys! [13:26] anyone using slap-get? can I have a copy of good slapt-getrc file? [13:27] no use slackpkg in /extra [13:27] I need to install some stuff but dunno what are the source URLs for slapt-get :( [13:27] and sbopkg/slackbuild.org [13:27] slapt-get is not supported in here. [13:27] what? really? is there anything I'm missing? [13:28] slapt-get breaks systems if misused [13:28] ah ok [13:28] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:28] thanks didn't knew that [13:28] acidchild, so any other tools? i can easily use? [13:29] acidchild: slackpkg is in /ap in 12.2. [13:29] sbopkg and slackpkg in /ap i guess on 12.2 or in /extra on all the rest =P [13:29] Yep. =) [13:30] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:31] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-144-3.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[13:36] straterra: ok thanks [13:36] yw [13:36] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-200296.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:37] that's strange, my dual port 1000pro doesn't do that [13:37] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.241.50) left irc: "Leaving" [13:37] I want a dual port Intel gigabit pro :( [13:38] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [13:39] Dimens (n=Dimens@93-81-4-225.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Dimens (n=Dimens@93-81-4-225.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [13:40] Dimens (n=Dimens@93-81-4-225.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:43] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [13:43] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@host55-169-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [13:45] hi, I have a ATI radeone graphics chip on my laptop, how can I install 3d support? [13:46] what model? [13:46] Hi guys... [13:46] do I have to install the proprietary driver? or does the free driver work fine [13:46] ... [13:46] How to install a isa nic? [13:46] seejay: What model? [13:46] straterra, radeon 1100 [13:46] ok [13:47] Let me see..I dont know if thats supported under the "open source" driver [13:47] should be supported by fglrx though [13:47] :( [13:47] ? [13:48] I'd love to stick the the Free driver, but fglrx os the solution I'm helpless [13:48] it is free [13:48] how can i find out the what onboard graphics im using? [13:48] just give fglrx a shot [13:48] vinnie_: lspci as root [13:49] i'm not talking about "Free as in free beer" [13:49] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] straterra, i mean the FOSS* driver :) [13:49] straterra, are you sure its not supported? :( [13:50] straterra: thanx.. now how can i tell what the maximum resolution i can run? [13:50] nullboy: my dual port doesn't either.. [13:50] straterra, i did search. but i wasn't successful [13:50] No, I'm not..but..I used to have a GPU from that same era..and it wasnt supported by anything but fglrx [13:50] vinnie_: look up the chip's specs [13:50] also depends on your display [13:51] i would like to run it on my 42" hdtv [13:51] run what? [13:51] what gpu? [13:51] my computer [13:51] nVidia Corporation MCP61 [13:52] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [13:52] thats new enough [13:52] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h181-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [13:52] What resolution does your tv support? [13:52] 1080 [13:52] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:52] it should do 1920x1080 [13:53] I'd do DVI->HDMI -> TV [13:53] Just for ease [13:53] do i just edit the xorg? [13:53] yes [13:53] Are you using the binary nvidia driver? [13:53] i only have vga out on machine [13:53] there is no dvi? [13:53] im using the one from slackbuilds [13:54] no dvi [13:54] Hmm [13:54] my tv has a vga in [13:54] straterra, where can I find the fglrx driver? [13:54] yeah..but long vga cables are expensive [13:54] seejay: ati.amd.com [13:54] i googled alot but its kinda confusing [13:54] BillyLeeCN (n=hitly@121.32.93.143) joined ##slackware. [13:54] i will have the macine rite there [13:54] BillyLeeCN (n=hitly@121.32.93.143) left ##slackware. [13:54] then use vga [13:55] i wonder what would be a safe frequency? [13:55] Look up the spec of the tv [13:55] or does it matter on lcd? [13:55] it'll either be 60 or 120hz [13:55] 60 is the safer [13:55] cool... thanx straterra [13:55] np [13:56] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-69-180.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [13:56] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:58] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [13:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-69-180.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:58] Dimens (n=Dimens@93-81-4-225.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [14:00] Dimens (n=Dimens@93-81-4-225.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[14:22] http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2 [14:22] SM177Y_ (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [14:22] More like idiots and jerks under attack. [14:22] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "reboot" [14:23] lol wtf.. [14:24] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] If I could personally track down each and every moron who flamed or harassed this young lady instead of being constructive, and hit them with my cluebat, I would. [14:25] lol [14:25] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:26] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:26] she is the problem as far as i'm concerned [14:26] raystorm (n=tomb@TOMBWINXPJR.gi.alaska.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:26] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-205-233-125-97.b2b2c.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [14:27] raystorm (n=tomb@TOMBWINXPJR.gi.alaska.edu) left ##slackware. [14:27] Action: Camarade_Tux agrees with both nullboy and jkwood ;p [14:27] Actually, I'd blame Microsoft at its root. They're the reason rules like "You must use Microsoft Word for this class" are made. They're the reason most DSL companies require Internet Explorer to set it up initially. [14:27] with jkwood partly because most of those morons were probably ubuntu users =D [14:27] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:27] I know, I had to do it the other day. It's not just Verizon. [14:27] she ordered the unit, she has the credit card, she didn't read the order details before submitting, she failed to research anything. it was a compulsive purchase...she was sitting there and decided "omg i can haz school me need laptop" and just bought the first thing she could click yes to [14:28] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [14:28] I like how win7's wordpad has support for both .docs and .odt, the converted could be the best available :) [14:28] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@nat-vlan10.algonquincollege.com) joined ##slackware. [14:28] "oh whatever, a computer is a computer right" [14:28] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: Connection timed out [14:28] right, unless it has osx on it... [14:29] Can you blame her for thinking that way? [14:29] that lady is a prime example of your typical moron sheep of a consumer [14:29] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-146-81.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:29] And why do we have moron sheep of consumers? [14:29] Madison Avenue. [14:29] she screws up and then blames the seller [14:29] Redmond. [14:29] Cupertino. [14:29] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:30] you are blaming the large companies for someone's behavior? [14:30] A failed American educational system. [14:30] Advertising. [14:30] it is the person. [14:30] i'm bombarded with the same crap as she is.... [14:30] In the end, yes, she is responsible for her actions. [14:30] I really agreed with jkwood on that : as I said yesterday, *my* mother has been a victim of that despite all my efforts and the fast she actually knew what a computer is and how it behaves [14:30] *agree [14:30] victim? [14:31] that is a cop out [14:31] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] you make yourself a victim [14:31] Tell that the the Jews in WWII who fought back and were STILL executed. [14:31] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [14:31] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] are you seriously going to try to compare consumerism to the Holocaust? [14:32] No, it's just an illustration of the power of "The System." [14:33] I'd use another example : if tomorrow the sky was green you wouldn't believe it is the sky even though it is in the air and there are clouds in it, if you see only one think each and every day, you forget there could be alternatives [14:33] (except the green sky is not an actual alternative) [14:33] Anybody want gum? [14:33] lol [14:34] Camarade_Tux: You've never watched a tornado coming in, I assume. [14:34] If that sky turns green, I grab my radio and settle in for some rough weather. [14:34] nice [14:34] same here [14:34] no matter what happens, you can always control how you think, behave, and respond [14:35] wait, let me fire up Ubuntu and blame why its green. lol [14:35] It's "what" you think that is the problem. [14:35] jkwood, no, I live in Europe ;) and I really didn't think the sky could turn really green [14:35] consumerism is about behavior and thought, the holocaust was more about tyranny and atrocity imposed on people [14:35] s/turn really/really turn [14:36] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [14:36] We should never underestimate the power of the crowd. [14:37] agreed, but we also should never misplace the role of "the crowd" [14:37] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:37] if i ever become the leader of "the crowd" i'm taking us all off a cliff [14:37] (Girl + University + Verizon) problem (Dell + Ubuntu) no problem End of story [14:37] Right, and I agree wholeheartedly. People should do the right thing. *Should* [14:38] with the holocaust, the Jews could only respond to the tyranny and atrocity in limited fashion, in consumerism, consumers still have thought, behavior, and response at their disposal [14:38] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [14:38] microsoft is all about propaganda, they're doing that on purpose (they have an "evangelism" division), I don't think the consumer are the only one responsibles [14:38] *responsible [14:38] i took out a quad port intell pro and put in a dual port.. the eth devices went up to eth8 and the old cards eth entries didn't remove.. how do I clear them with udev? [14:39] rk4n3: How about the German people? Why did they do it? [14:39] Dominian: ping [14:39] nargon: Good question. =/ [14:39] nargon: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [14:39] jkwood: I don't think its fair to say "the German people" did it ... the Nazis did it [14:40] isn't slackware limited to 7 or so eth cards ? [14:40] rk4n3: Then why did the Nazis do it? [14:40] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-145-78.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] What about the Hitler youth? Did they just wake up one day and say "I think I'll be evil today." [14:40] 6 actually : from rc.inet1 "(with a maximumof 6 interfaces, but you can easily enlarge the interface limit- send me a picture of such a box :-)." [14:41] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl10-242-183.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:41] jkwood: in essence, the German people had a less-severe but similar situation as the Jews did - they could only respond in limited fashion to the tyranny and atrocity they were threatened with - the Nazis were basically a large-scoped terrorist organization that hijacked a country and its resources [14:41] Camarade_Tux: I remember that. =) [14:41] nullboy: cool that worked thanks [14:41] from Ubuntu to Hijacked a country..... lol [14:42] this is such a horrible comparison i can't believe it [14:42] Atrocity and Tyranny aren't very powerful things on their own. Neither is consumerism. [14:42] rk4n3: similar to the democrating party in the US.. [14:42] nullboy: indeed [14:42] someone always has to discount the Holocaust by comparing those events to something silly [14:42] accept their only crime in severe incompotence [14:42] nargon: haha - careful when you say that around Democrats [14:42] like nascar [14:43] I'm a Demo [14:43] rk4n3 :) i'm primarily refering to the obama/clinton/pilosi/reed dream team [14:43] nullboy: hahahaaa - "I think Disney on Ice is like the holocaust, because ... blah blah blah" :) [14:43] jkwood: do consumers have guns aimed at their heads? are they being forced into stores by men with knives and tanks? [14:44] YES [14:44] the girlfriends and wifes [14:44] in some countries yes [14:44] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.45) left irc: "Leaving." [14:44] wives^ [14:44] Who pointed the first gun and said "You will obey or you will be killed?" [14:44] if I just want Slackware Core, what must I install? [14:44] core? [14:44] skibur: a [14:44] yeah [14:44] skibur, WAT OFF TOPIC, man [14:44] there isnt really..core [14:44] jsut a [14:44] core? [14:44] skibur: there is not really a "core set" [14:44] skibur: possibly n if you want to have network support [14:44] o ok [14:45] core... [14:45] I would say a/ap/l for core slackware stuff [14:45] Sorry about off topic, its my fault for this [14:45] and n for networking [14:45] yeah, So A and N [14:45] and L for libraries [14:45] ok [14:45] this conversation was like the scenes in the big lebowski where walter somehow finds a way to link everything with Nam [14:45] A N L? [14:46] skibur: for starters, yes [14:46] for some of the extra utilities AP also [14:46] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:46] A, AP, L, N [14:46] nullboy: Getting offended is a cop-out when discussing. [14:47] yeah, that's probably a good core system ... I guess I was thinking "minimal" [14:47] PaddyMac (n=Pat@dialup-4.88.74.229.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:47] nat2610 (n=nfelsen@adsl-99-185-243-218.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] rk4n3: some people are used to "other" (cough, *buntu, cough) distro's naming [14:48] Forget it. If you can't be reasonable, then I want nothing to do with it. [14:48] alisonken1home: aha [14:48] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] forget what? i wasn't even typing anything [14:49] LOL ... "Forget it" ... "Forget what ?" ... "that was quick !" [14:49] [in bed ] [14:50] rofl [14:50] A, AP, L, N got it [14:50] tee hee hee [14:51] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:52] can anyone look at this for a minute? compiz broke libnotify i think. I get the following error when i try to run a simple python script that calls a test notification. http://rafb.net/p/KPnQC488.html [14:52] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [14:54] hiptobecubic, why do you think it's compi's fault ? [14:54] *compiz's [14:54] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h181-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Camarade_Tux, because that's the only that has changed since i last got a notification? [14:56] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [14:56] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Adios!" [14:56] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [14:57] it really sound weird [14:57] use system restore :) [14:58] Action: Camarade_Tux has never seen that thing improve anything, actually it always nearly killed the system [14:58] god damnit. everything is totally fucked. restart x..... 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[15:03] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:04] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:05] http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/65853.html [15:06] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.157.175) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [15:06] alright well... perhaps if i turn off emerald i'll get some better results. Does anyone know to change the gtk window decorations? the xfce settings manager says it can't work with compiz [15:06] hiptobecubic, thre is a dbus plugin for compiz-fusion. do you have it enabled? [15:07] can i have fries too [15:07] Old_Fogie, it sure sounds like i don't, although i didn't see it. [15:07] hiptobecubic, you can test dbus with # notify-send "test" [15:07] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:07] hiptobecubic, ah I typically tweakify it thru the compiz-fusion-icon..then settings manager. it's down near the bottom, a check box for the dbus support. [15:08] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:08] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Old_Fogie, yeah it's checked. [15:08] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-77-236-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] i don't think we have an elitist problem here in ##slackware...yeah no way, not in here [15:08] hiptobecubic, and if you turn off compiz-fusion, and use some other window manager, such as xfce let's say, a # notify-send "test" works? [15:08] I'm also having this weird issue where windows don't update. It looks frozen, then i maxmize/restore and suddenly it updates with everything i typed [15:09] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Old_Fogie, of course not! :D but it sure did yesterday [15:09] PaddyMac (n=Pat@dialup-4.88.74.229.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:10] So what the heck is dbus doing? dbus-monitor shows that other things seem to be using it just fine. pidgin, for example [15:11] hiptobecubic, well, you need the exo-notify(?forget what sbo calls it?), dbus, libnotify packages. maybe "upgradepkg --reinstall" those items. but.err..before you do that..try a _clean_ home first I'd say. [15:11] Old_Fogie, a clean home? [15:11] hiptobecubic, you can also launch pidgin from a terminal with "pidgin -n"...go to plugins, enable libnotify..see if something is spammd there. maybe you dont have a dbus session running a.t.m. [15:11] hiptobecubic, clean home meaning something like ... [15:12] hiptobecubic, mv /home/hipto... /home/hipto-backup [15:12] then make a new home, chown hipp:users hipto.. [15:12] I've a developer question, I'm developing and application, this application is a set of binaries all controlled by another binary. I guess I should put the one that the user have to start in /usr/bin but how can I keep the directory clean, where should I put the other binaries ? [15:12] you could have some screwy settings somewhere is all [15:13] nat2610, user binaries go in usr [15:13] nat2610: a very good question, with alot of potential answers ... [15:14] nat2610: Old_Fogie refers to one answer, but I'd qualify it with a concern about "polluting" the operating environment. You want to make sure you have a clear way to remove/update software that puts files into system-standard locations, so make sure its "package-able" [15:15] nat2610, hplip package has binaries that call binaries [15:15] in /usr/bin [15:15] nat2610: another alternative is to devise a "portable" footprint - where the software can reside relative to a "virtual root", like perhaps a home directory or some similarly selected location [15:15] Old_Fogie, well i don't see pidgins libnotify plugin anymore, i'll just try this 'clean home' idea... restart X ? or will that break everything [15:16] rk4n3, well 'anythings' packageable. but if launched by users, then typicall /usr/bin or if it's libs /usr/lib, or a systemwide config in /etc no? [15:17] Old_Fogie: oh, I agree ... some software just needs "its own space", particularly if its been developed along those lines ... examples are the standard Sun JDK and the mozilla binary releases, all very conveniently " [15:17] "portable" [15:17] hiptobecubic, I would log out of X. ctrl-alt-f6 ..log in as root (as root is only one that can create a new folder in home for a user)..have root mv your original home, then have root create a new folder with the same name your home was..then have root chown that folder to your account. [15:18] rk4n3, mozilla's are a mess ( I hope he doesnt design like that :) [15:18] Old_Fogie, testing... [15:18] Old_Fogie: good point :) [15:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] rk4n3, tho I noticed, mozilla makes shell scripts to see where it's launched and do the fake rootage you refer too, openorifice as well. [15:19] tribeca (n=naitso@host213-34-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:19] Old_Fogie: yep - it has its conveniences, especially for software written cross-platform to include platforms that don't have clear conventions [15:19] epiphany+webkit ...hmmm why is this so incredibly fast vs konqueror...hrrmmm [15:19] tribeca (n=naitso@host213-34-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:20] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.249.216.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:20] cause it's konqueror with much more development ? [15:20] rk4n3, yea you have to see all the lines in ./configure .... that I have to do to get applications to see the xulrunner (which in essence is FF, thunderbird, pidgin, liferea) for their locations. [15:20] s/more/different/ [15:20] Camarade_Tux, I don't know, my first time using it. it's suprisingly fast [15:21] you'll notice you have problems though [15:21] less if you use a very recent webkit build [15:21] konqueror is very slow to browse web here I thought maybe webkit was slow, heh [15:21] Camarade_Tux, ah I see [15:22] webkit-gtk's api is not as complete as it should [15:22] I wonder if you have webkit onboard, if kde see's it when building...hmmm off to my build logs heh [15:22] so it causes some problems [15:22] I see [15:22] webkit-*gtk* ;) [15:22] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [15:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:23] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] only 15 meg of ram while open interesting [15:23] Old_Fogie, well, clean home didn't help, but i launched xfce as root and notify-send worked fine there. [15:23] * Baby Jesus yelps * [15:25] hiptobecubic, hmmm [15:25] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-96-241-160-19.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] where is the dbus session even started from? maybe that's borked for my user? [15:25] it's executed with the startxfce script [15:26] Old_Fogie, well that doesn't make any sense.... [15:26] so when you use kdm, or xdm, and log in..it automagically comes up [15:26] i don't use graphical login [15:26] hiptobecubic, ah ..can you try as a test? [15:27] LnxSlck (n=ibookg4@89.214.143.201) joined ##slackware. [15:27] possibly? how would i? telinit 4 or something? [15:27] hello happy slackers [15:27] hiptobecubic, yes telinit 4 (but you will lose any work your doing) so log out...first [15:27] hiptobecubic: () [15:27] Old_Fogie, righto, back in a jiff [15:27] hello LnxSlck [15:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [15:27] hi Old_Fogie [15:28] hello rworkman [15:28] alienBOB: [15:28] nullboy: [15:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [15:29] _mr_S (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:30] irssi time. got tired of firing up xchat. [15:30] Old_Fogie: also, it didn't work. [15:30] i'm going to make a new user and see if they get notifications... [15:30] hiptobecubic, i'm on lenny now, but should be similar..if you do 'ps ax |grep dbus' do you see output like this (well similar I'm on debian) [15:30] /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system /// /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session startxfce4 /// /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 6 --print-address 9 --session [15:31] I put /// between new lines [15:32] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] sitwon (n=adam@pool-71-163-13-239.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:34] Old_Fogie: i'll check it. Creating a new user DID work from, (although moving my home directory and trying as my normal user did not) [15:34] hiptobecubic, well that's better than chasing dbus problems [15:34] hiptobecubic, then the problem is in your home some where [15:34] Old_Fogie: i'd imagine so, yeah [15:34] yea for sure [15:34] good [15:34] Old_Fogie: how can it be? I tried with clean home? [15:35] hiptobecubic, umm...I'd check your /etc/group file make sure your user in proper accounts, or maybe you did something wrong on the mv of the old..dunno really. [15:36] xclip failed. [15:36] Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/DAK91055.html [15:36] hiptobecubic, in your "real" home folder, there is a folder called ~/.config/compiz/ and if you're using a 'flat file' backend in compiz-fusion settings... I'm pretty sure the settings are stored there. There's also a ~/.compiz folder too for sessions support. [15:36] Old_Fogie: that is what i got with ps ax | grep dbus. [15:37] and you may want to investigate what's up with the ~/.dbus folder too. [15:37] I guess i'll try this clean home idea again. [15:37] hiptobecubic, yea that's almost the same as mine here [15:38] U-Neeks (i=555@201-14-99-8.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] hiptobecubic, fwiw..when you start compiz-fusion again later right, in your clean home. I find..it's best to right away..go into settings manager launched from compiz-fusion-icon...then make sure it says 'flat file backend'. don't let it grab Gconf..or kde's backend..it get's messy. then exit compiz-fusion and your xfce session (or just change to differnt WM for a moment) then relaucnh compiz-fusion-icon.tick back on the [15:39] compiz...then tweak away..this way your really using flat-file. [15:40] Old_Fogie: clean home absolutely did not work. [15:40] Old_Fogie: i don't have gnome or kde. [15:40] for all I know you have gconf on their for some app :) [15:41] well when i looked at that, flat-file was the only choice. so i don't think it's using gconf.. which i'm pretty sure i don't have. [15:41] i certainly didn't install it [15:41] so a "new" user it works...but not for your user..or a clean home..then you got something going on with your user account..or you got some rampant runaway process in the background owned by you not closing out I think [15:42] hiptobecubic, ok [15:42] Old_Fogie: i'll clean home and reboot and try it then. [15:42] back in a toot! [15:42] hiptobecubic, i've noticed not *all* programs close out with xfce at times [15:43] hiptobecubic, I gotta go blow snow tho, :( I'll bb in few hrs good luck :) [15:43] hcx (n=hcx@Q7388.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [15:43] see you all [15:43] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: "leaving" [15:46] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[15:58] tuvok302_ (i=vircuser@h181-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:58] <_mr_S> do you have an onboard card ? [15:59] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h181-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:59] Nick change: tuvok302_ -> tuvok302 [15:59] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [16:00] fluxnuk3r: I don't know much as I am new to Slackware, but is your user in the audio group? [16:01] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:02] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:02] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:03] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] crap. [16:03] not again. [16:04] What did you do? [16:04] 12.2 has been freezing like crazy [16:04] Chaos666 (n=hostile@141.85.0.66) joined ##slackware. [16:05] tuvok302: day old install, haven't had the chance to do anything [16:05] I customized my install dvd, but thats it (took out KDE, KDEI, and Y) [16:06] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [16:07] hey guys! anyone using skype in Slackware? [16:07] on 12.1, yah [16:07] where can i get the package to install? [16:07] fluxnuk3r, i'm on 12.2 :) [16:07] slackbuilds.org? [16:08] any luck? [16:08] with... [16:08] I used the tar.gz from skype.org [16:09] tuvok302, do they give the source? [16:09] i didn't know that :-S [16:09] anybody know if one of the common 12.2 bugs is frequent crashing? [16:09] (crashing = freezing) [16:10] fluxnuk3r, or is it the Firefox in 12.2? [16:10] 3.0.4 which comes by default is really unstable :( [16:11] 0 crashes for me, and i use it on 2 destkops [16:11] seejay: had 3.0.4 was fine in 12.1. nope, can't move my mouse, time doesn't progress, and can't kill X [16:11] seejay: Id on't remember if they gave the source, but I remember downloading it right off their website [16:11] have to do a "hard shutdown". twice now in a 24-hour long install [16:12] hm... I'm in 12.2 so far its good. [16:13] tuvok302, yeah found some tar.gzS on slackbuilds [16:13] i'm going to try and to a full slackware install again. [16:13] fluxnuk3r, 24 hour long??? waht do you mean? [16:13] I installed it last night [16:13] it has frozen twice since then [16:14] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [16:14] i actually moved to 12.2 (from 12.1) yday it took only 30 minutes to install the 4.8 gigs of software [16:14] fluxnuk3r, I used the 3 CD isos [16:14] not to mention, if I'm in X and try and do a alsaconf, it kills X [16:15] I like everything on one disc [16:15] fluxnuk3r, oh! i think there's something seriously wrong :-? [16:16] yes its better :) but i got the 3 cd isos so took that path :P [16:17] aargh [16:17] kde is too bloated, but I like K3B. XFCE is nice and light, but xfburn sucks [16:19] thats the breaks though, unless you can port k2b to gtk, we're stuck with it as is [16:19] so just install the libs [16:19] have you guys tried the Awesome window manager??? its totally awesome :D [16:20] i think its the perfects window manager for Slackware [16:20] seejay: thats what I use. when 12.2 isn't busy being stupid. [16:20] seejay, hmm sounds awesome, i'll have a look at that [16:21] jean-1uc: that was lame. [16:21] libkwalletclient.so.1 ugh, why is it dependent on this [16:21] sry [16:21] Chaos666 (n=hostile@141.85.0.66) left irc: No route to host [16:21] :) [16:21] Chaos666 (n=hostile@141.85.0.66) joined ##slackware. [16:22] anybody know what the cli is for "burn this dvd iso image to this DVD"? [16:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Ekc (n=iskar@87-126-18-167.btc-net.bg) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:22] edman007, ! [16:22] _mr_S (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [16:23] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [16:23] growisofs -speed=2 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvdrw=name_of_iso_here might be an idea [16:23] anyone else use facebook? anyone else notice the slackware group? [16:24] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:24] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:24] dTd: what were you compiling that depended on libkwalletclient.so.1 ? [16:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] edman007, thanks for the baby gift:P [16:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:25] dTd: [16:25] k3b [16:25] no mkisofs options specified [16:25] odd question, but is anyone in here from finland? [16:25] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:26] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] fluxnuk3r: don't need any, he's already got an iso [16:26] dTd: are you a kde user ? [16:26] no [16:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:27] dTd: reason i ask is that gnomebaker is a nice burning gui. the only thing is does not support is a multisession. [16:27] other than that it is a great frontend burner [16:27] and requires gnome eh? [16:27] probably just the libs not the entire gnome suite I am assuming [16:28] probably just gtk2, i am not real sure because ihave gnome installed when i built it [16:28] yeah, I was just looking at k3b with ldd, and thats one if it's library deps, wasn't actually compiling it [16:28] so how are you guys doing on this fine evening? [16:28] dtanner: it needs gnome libs [16:28] k3b on it's own isn't enough to make me install kde or qt and the libs, but that and amarok are together :) [16:29] graveman might still work [16:29] yeah, graveman isn't as mature IMHO [16:29] and as its no longer developed probably never will. but its simple and doesnt need gnome nor kde [16:29] k3b clearly outclasses all of the competition , and most any burning software I've ever used [16:29] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:30] k3b ftw [16:30] ;) [16:30] Have a look at xfburn. [16:31] and there's a couple of gnome apps I'd love to have, but it's not worth installing it all for them either [16:31] why does ext3 need fsck every 30 mounts? [16:31] I have it rw ;) [16:31] thats what I'm trying to use and its crapping out on me (xfburn) [16:31] fluxnuk3r: bashburn or mybashburn [16:31] fluxnuk3r: on the 12.2 install? I fear you've some mishmashed things going on there [16:31] I thought fsck would be a yearly operation, not a monthly one [16:32] temp (n=temp@h2n2fls32o895.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] those cant do complilations im afraid [16:32] they would be perfect if they did [16:32] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] dTd: nope, xfburn isn't working on my 12.1 install [16:32] fluxnuk3r: ugh [16:32] w 27 [16:32] fluxnuk3r: what's it doing? [16:32] oops [16:32] I'm getting "Could not open default font 'fixed'" when I try to run X, although I've font-misc installed [16:32] Stx: fail. [16:32] :) [16:32] temp: did you do a full installation? [16:33] temp: try cursor-misc too [16:33] hiptobecubic (n=tester@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:33] sahko: i have them both [16:33] rworkman: yeah :p [16:33] rworkman: no [16:33] totally stumped. [16:33] rworkman: click on "burn image" and it freezes [16:33] Dominian: are you around? [16:33] temp: then it shouldnt complain [16:33] temp: install all of the X series packages first, and then pare it down from there. [16:33] temp: you may also need to run pkgtool as root and re-run the X setup scripts. [16:33] perhaps he doesn't have the fontpath in his xorg.cfg [16:34] fluxnuk3r: try to get a backtrace on it and report it upstream [16:34] Make a new user. notifications work. Take old user and mv ~/ to some where else. notifications work. Copy ~/.config from non-working user to working user, notifications work. It must be some random config file somewhere but hell if i know what it is. [16:35] dTd: i'm using the default vesa config [16:35] hiptobecubic: $HOME/.gremlins [16:35] fluxnuk3r: is it just xfburn or do you have issues with other burn apps? [16:35] rworkman: oh of course! :D [16:35] i tried rm -rf ~/.dbus as well. [16:35] and ~/.Xauthority [16:35] temp: I seem to remember that you need a working resolution, perhaps editing them will help [16:35] and ~/.ICEauthority... whatever that is [16:36] I have no idea; I don't even have libnotify :/ [16:36] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] rworkman, ping [16:36] rworkman: didn't do a full install on that 12.1 machine, so I don't think its very accurate. strace returns a lot of missing theme files [16:36] rworkman: well normally i'm a big fan of it. How would you go about trouble shooting a problem like this? Copy files one by one until it breaks again or something? [16:37] TwinReverb: pong [16:37] rworkman, facebook [16:37] fluxnuk3r: well, no idea then [16:37] hiptobecubic: I wouldn't. :) I'd just create a new user account and start over probably :) [16:37] but yes [16:38] TwinReverb: I'll get there sooner or later :0 [16:38] allright. i'm going to do an in-system reinstall of every freaking package and see if that fixes some of my 12.2 problems [16:38] Action: hiptobecubic groans... all of my beautiful configs [16:38] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [16:38] heh [16:38] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [16:38] temp (n=temp@h2n2fls32o895.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:39] Action: TwinReverb was surprised to see a slackware community on facebook [16:39] Action: chopp kicks endian firewall upside the hairdo [16:39] haha [16:39] maybe i'll take this opportunity to play with a different wm. What does everyone like? [16:39] Action: hiptobecubic raises shields [16:40] hiptobecubic: when i get that urge i play with the memory hog eye candy "enlightenment" [16:40] dtanner: is that a wm on its own? [16:41] it's mpre an entire environment [16:41] more* [16:41] hmmmm [16:42] wahcordian (n=chatzill@97-123-74-19.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] <3 sbopkg [16:43] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=enlightenment&sv=12.2 [16:43] e17 [16:44] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-146-81.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [16:45] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-146-81.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] mentalmarvin (n=likwid@90-227-131-100-no21.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.15) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:49] deplorable (n=NoOne@dial-62.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Hello. Will anyone tell me where I can find information concerning the setup of libdvdcss under Slackware? [16:51] <_chess_> slackbuilds.org has it [16:51] thanks. I'll check it out now. [16:51] It's the only thing keeping me from deleting windows. [16:51] <_chess_> be sure to read the slackbuilds.org howto [16:52] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-219-210.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:52] I will. [16:52] Thanks a lot. [16:52] <_chess_> it is not a package repository; it's a repository of slackbuild scripts [16:52] <_chess_> you're welcome [16:53] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Thanks _chess_. See you later everyone. I'm going to see if I can figure this out. :) [16:54] <_chess_> if you have questions you can ask here or in #slackbuilds [16:54] chopp: barely.. what's up? [16:54] Thanks again. Bye. [16:54] I just went from 12-1 to 12-2. [16:54] deplorable (n=NoOne@dial-62.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) left ##slackware. [16:55] are there any problems? [16:55] why does sbopkg have queuing for building but not installing? seems kind of goofy to me. [16:55] <_chess_> hiptobecubic: huh? you can install from the queue [16:55] Dominian: are you aware of an endian-fw irc channel somewhere? [16:55] I was happy to see a better looking grub splash. and that it came w/ kernel source already. I haven't even customized my kernel yet and my intel wireless card works already. [16:55] chopp: yeah.. #endian on here I believe. [16:55] I dropped endian fireall though lol [16:55] didn't even need to download wpa_supplicant. it r0x0rz my b0x0rz [16:55] I'm actually using pfSense now..m uch faster.. traffic shapping works [16:56] <_chess_> I am about to release 0.25.0 with some good updates and fixes btw. the queue is much better. [16:56] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] <_chess_> hiptobecubic: when you process the queue, it asks if you want to build or build and install. [16:56] _chess_: can you? what's the flag to do it from the cli? i only see -b in the man page [16:56] _chess_: what version do you have? [16:56] wahcordian: GRUB splash? Interesting, I hope GRUB is soon moved into the main tree and LILO is removed :) [16:56] <_chess_> look at -i [16:56] Dominian: that is one of my problems right now with endian, traffic shaping. Maybe I'll look into pfSense. Thanks. [16:57] <_chess_> are you using 0.20.0? [16:57] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:57] ooooh my mistake it is Lilo. :( [16:57] but before it was just text, now it's a sexy black and white slackware logo. :) [16:57] _chess_: i don't think so... is it out or is it beta or something? [16:57] the logo that looks like "slackwars" ? :D [16:57] <_chess_> hiptobecubic: I released 0.20.0 on Jan 1. I'm about to release 0.25.0. [16:58] <_chess_> hiptobecubic: www.sbopkg.org [16:58] _chess_: oh ok.. thanks [16:58] <_chess_> np [16:58] yup, only I can read it :D [16:59] I'm glad I accidentally removed my /bin and had to get a new iso :D [16:59] otherwise I'd still be looking at an ugly console lilo, and thats no fun at all! [17:00] is sbopkg on SBo ? [17:00] <_chess_> hiptobecubic: no, since I provide packages already. but 0.25.0 will include ability to check for an updated package and download it for you if you want it to. [17:01] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] _chess_: ah ok [17:01] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Gameover" [17:01] Chaos666 (n=hostile@141.85.0.66) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [17:02] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Adios!" [17:02] Chaos666 (n=hostile@141.85.0.66) joined ##slackware. [17:02] where can I actally download the slackware 12.2 dvd iso? Looking at the links on slackware.com, I only see .md5 and .asc files [17:03] you enter the link of the choosen mirror, [17:03] even on some of the sites where the have the CD isos, they don't have the dvd iso [17:03] fluxnuk3r: Open Your MIND Open Your MIND. And your eyes [17:04] then you enter slackware-12.2-iso (or something like this) [17:04] and you download the iso ending with "-dvd.iso" [17:04] fluxnuk3r: get slack -> select a country -> select a mirror -> /slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [17:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-236-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] <_chess_> http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso <- that mirror has it [17:04] fluxnuk3r: ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso <-- here is one [17:05] Ivo: I'm not an idiot. I'm saying I don't see dvd iso. I.e. no "-dvd.iso" [17:05] sorry... I don't want to make you angry [17:05] fluxnuk3r: maybe the mirror you're using doesn't have the DVD iso [17:05] There is no dvd.iso Only Zoool [17:05] hah [17:06] Wescotte: thanks, downloading now. [17:06] look here: http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [17:06] dvd md5 and .asc files, no iso [17:06] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/.1/slackware-iso/slackware-12.2-iso [17:06] dtanner: geez. i don't know if i'm ready for this monstrosity. [17:06] fluxnuk3r: they have a torrents page too if that's faster for you at http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [17:06] no, this should work [17:06] thanks [17:07] going to try a full install this time, see if 12.2 freezes on me as much as it does now [17:07] fluxnuk3r: hmm that mirror must just not have DVD isos [17:08] slackware is actually very easy to install. [17:08] mentalmarvin (n=likwid@90-227-131-100-no21.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:08] yes, I agree [17:08] i Blame Bush because he is allmsot out of office. [17:08] if you can get past the whole fdisk thing, it pretty much takes care of its self. [17:08] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-199225.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [17:08] wahcordian: I know. I've used 10.2, 11.0, 12.0, and 12.1. only problems I've had are with 12.2 [17:08] you can go make some lunch and come back and your good to go. it even sets up dual booting sort of on it's own. :) [17:08] fluxnuk3r: what problems are you having? [17:08] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Wescotte: it freezes. a lot [17:09] cfdisk is a little bit tricky if you don't know that you'll be formating the partitions after that and if you don't know that you can use e2fstools for example (if you are using ext*) :) [17:09] 3 times in the past 14 hours [17:09] wow thats a lot of slack [17:09] fluznuk3r: give it a blanket? maybe it is just cold [17:09] http://ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [17:09] are you using nvidia drivers? [17:10] thanks bigpaws, i'm downloading one now [17:10] they make the system crash in a lot of cases! [17:10] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h181-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] fluxnuk3r: freezes as in pauses then responds? Or freeze as in lock up forcing reboot? IN X? In console? [17:10] anytine [17:10] Ivo: no. I installed a Ati Rage 128 cad [17:10] *card [17:10] AGP 4x [17:10] Wescotte: freeze as in: can't move mouse, can't kill X with key combo, nothing [17:11] left it for an hour, came back, still froze [17:11] I just setup downloaded the slackwars logo :D [17:11] fluxnuk3r: can you ssh in? [17:11] Wescotte: I'm using it right now.... [17:11] so it's X problem? [17:11] fluxnuk3r: so what you're saying is it's a problem with X [17:11] no idea [17:12] if you can ssh into the machine while it's frozen, it's an X problem ;) [17:12] nix_chix0r, where is my pony? [17:12] well if X is locking up and you can ssh into the box while it's frozen I'd say it's an X issue [17:12] it froze twice after trying to do an "alsaconf" [17:12] just try running it without X (runlevel 3) [17:12] hmm... try with other kernel.. I mean... [17:12] Wescotte: no, I'm not sshing in, I'm on the box physically [17:12] lmao [17:12] edman007, it's in the mail? [17:12] fluxnuk3r: next time it locks up try sshing into it or pinging it or something [17:13] Wescotte: "next time" feel like I'm in windows. [17:13] nix_chix0r, does that mean you killed it? [17:13] i think so edman007 [17:13] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-95-1-144.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] :( [17:13] fluxnuk3r: you using a custom kernel? [17:13] nope [17:13] well then it better come with a TV [17:13] generic-smp [17:14] fluxnuk3r: did you upgrade to slack 12.2 or just do a partial install? [17:14] sorry charlie, the tv is in the bedroom right now because that's were i spend mos tof my time:P [17:14] edman007: b/c dead pony + TV = ????? [17:14] try this kernel: [17:14] http://linvo.org/pub/pkg/kernel/2.6.27.8/linux-2.6.27.8-i486-1.tgz [17:14] if you are brave enought [17:14] chopp: I notice a huge difference with traffic shaping and pfsense [17:14] chopp: I think that traffic shaping in endian is borked [17:14] hackedhead, she needs to give me a live pony or a TV [17:15] if the pony is dead then i better get that TV [17:15] hackedhead, he got me a baby gift therefor i have to give him my 40" widescreen [17:15] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-146-81.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [17:16] yea [17:17] Action: TwinReverb saw the military using a jabber server recently [17:17] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-95-1-144.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] jabber=all in 1 IM app? [17:17] Ivo: what'd you do to it that I should be brave enough to use it? [17:18] Dominian: pfsense's webpage look's real familiar. I had it installed at one point in time, but I can't remember when. I'm going to check it out again here though. [17:18] Wescotte, no, IM protocal, its what google uses among others [17:18] Wescotte: Jabber, iirc, is an implementation of XMPP, a cross-platform chat client. [17:18] err protocol [17:18] ah [17:18] It is, yes :) [17:18] fluxnuk3r it's not compatible with slackware kernel packages: [17:18] I mean it's all in one (modules, kernel, so on...) [17:18] and slackware kernels are seperated [17:18] josemanuel (n=josemanu@25.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:19] but it should work right away :) [17:19] Wescotte: Look at Pidgin/libpurple for a more all-in-one :> [17:19] if you want to restore the slackware kernel, boot with kernel /boot/vmlinuz-old [17:19] chopp: its very very nice [17:19] chopp: I used it years ago. .didn't like it.. its quite nice now [17:19] bombuzal: Yeah, I use Pidgin every once in awhile. Hardly use IM clients these days [17:20] fluxnuk3r, does your computer support cpufreq? [17:20] Wescotte: *nods* I'm the same :S [17:20] I think, even the last time I used Pidgin - was just to check out the SILC support :X [17:20] heh [17:21] Dominian: I best go buy a cd or two. Shame to use a dvd for 50mb :) [ in bed ] [17:22] Action: TwinReverb sets fire to chopp 's bed [17:22] TwinReverb: fail, it's kevlar [17:22] pfft whatever [17:22] err nomex [17:22] you're chained to it and you have an apple in your mouth. sftu >:-| [17:22] Action: edman007 hugs pidgin [17:23] wahcordian (n=chatzill@97-123-74-19.albq.qwest.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [17:23] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [17:23] edman007, now you have pidgin poop on you :P [17:23] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-123-74-19.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] ice799 (n=joe@209.172.123.250) joined ##slackware. [17:24] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-146-81.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:25] mib_wv9y35 (i=d1ac7bfa@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ebba7d0677fce0dc) joined ##slackware. [17:25] TwinReverb, he is a nice pidgin [17:25] TwinReverb: I guess you'll have to imagine what "kiss my ass" sounds like with an apple in my mouth. [17:25] hahaha [17:25] ;) [17:26] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] aMSN is very good [17:27] you got offline messages, notifications, everything [17:27] i never had a reason to look for something other than pidgin (and before that, never had a reason to look for something other than gaim) [17:27] try aMSN... [17:27] granted skype is very nice too and has webcam (even in linux, believe it or not) but oh well [17:27] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [17:27] dios_mio, i did once [17:28] mib_wv9y35 (i=d1ac7bfa@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ebba7d0677fce0dc) left ##slackware. [17:28] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:30] aMSN claims to have webcam too, but I havent tried it... it also has "voice clips" just like in msn live messenger [17:30] ice799 (n=joe@209.172.123.250) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [17:30] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [17:31] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [17:33] josemanuel (n=josemanu@25.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [17:33] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:33] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [17:35] i tried aMSN webcam a couple of times in the past [17:35] it works [17:36] cool [17:38] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:16] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Everglades (n=wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] U-Neeks (i=555@201-14-99-8.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:18] St0rmMolest (n=St0rmMol@c83-251-40-4.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [18:19] I've problem with my geforce3 card + nvidia binary driver under 12.2. 2D is slow - it takes like a second for it to draw the background [18:19] 96 driver [18:20] installed it from slackbuilds [18:20] St0rmMolest: use an older revision. [18:20] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-236-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:20] St0rmMolest: I had better performance with a release from a couple months ago [18:21] Nvidia have excellent drivers on their website, and some sort of auto installer [18:21] release from slackbuild you mean? [18:21] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:21] St0rmMolest: from nvidia.com [18:21] the legacy drivers don't compile without a patch set [18:21] i just installed slackware as a primary gatway on a large network [18:21] i'm pining some hosts with 0.000 ms [18:21] what can it mean ? [18:23] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [18:25] is the IP local? [18:26] no.. [18:26] all my cisco gear are replying like this [18:27] somties durring the ping they show like 4.000 ms [18:27] this is wierd [18:27] maybe it's super-fast [18:27] thats outragous.. [18:28] pings to google take the normal amount of time. [18:31] i'm worried this is freaking me out... [18:32] hcx (n=hcx@Q7388.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:33] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [18:35] I'm on the nvidia 71 version now and it works much better thanks for the tip thumbs [18:36] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [18:37] newflash, enlightenment sucks ass. [18:38] news* [18:38] If i wanted this nonsense i'd go buy a mac. [18:38] enlightenment isn't bad you just don't touch e17 :) [18:39] Enlightenment is billed as the 'pretty' wm or whatever. imho, it is fuckugly. [18:39] I suppose it can be made prettier, but so can kde or xfce or any wm [18:39] i don't think kde can be made prettier [18:40] yea, it is already pretty awesome. [18:40] but that's probably more to do with qt [18:40] well, it's 'shiny' enough [18:40] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] heh, just set your colours to something you find visually appealing, then use emerald as window decorations [18:40] that usually looks good enough [18:41] Most of it can be customized in terms of widgets, colours, fonts, etc... I don't have any real complaints about kde 3 or kde 4.. [18:42] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:42] emerald is a gnome theme? [18:42] emerald is a window decorator [18:42] window decorator that requires compositing [18:42] Emrald is a "Wizard of Oz" theme, you will turn in to Judy Garland with a pretty blue & white dress [18:43] Oh good... [18:43] I was looking for something that did that. [18:43] don't like compositing [18:43] man wish my packages would uninstall faster [18:44] just use rm -rf / [18:44] That will uninstall packages as fast as your system can [18:44] umm that would delete my system [18:44] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-195-128.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] my system and packages are seperate [18:45] oh, you're talking about specific packages [18:45] I assumed you wanted them all gone. [18:45] no all of them again I don't use Linux anymore [18:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:48] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:49] nfs keeps a file of active shares, right? [18:49] mordy, not sure I understand your qeustion there [18:50] old_fogie, basically the computer running an nfs server shut down abruptly. now i can't reconnect to the server [18:51] mordy, well is the server back up? [18:51] mordy: well if your /etc/exports is setup correctly and nfsd is running you should be able to reconnect [18:51] when nfsd started again, it said something about not being able to readd /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery [18:51] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.234.73.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] kitche, the server is working and i can mount shares again [18:52] mordy, slackware doesn't make that directory (and I have _yet_ to find anyone who can explain why) . That is a normal statement on Slackware boot up. Personally, I "mkdir -p /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery" on first boot into any Slackware install I do. [18:52] anyone know what KERNEL="" i would use for udev rules to match an LVM device? [18:52] my last update wiped my config on that :( [18:53] are you sure the update wiped your config ? [18:53] mordy, that statement you'll find in the logs in the server if you were to review them for as long as you've been running an nfs server. [18:53] mordy, does that help ? [18:53] old_fogie, let me see - [18:53] thrice`, yea (i think i put it in an unsafe place)...but i just found how to match against the UUID instead [18:54] St0rmMolest (n=St0rmMol@c83-251-40-4.bredband.comhem.se) left ##slackware. [18:54] mordy, I believe it'll be in /var/log/syslog iirc that you'll see nfs server stating that on boot up. [18:54] old_fogie, is /var/log/nfsd supposed to be empy? [18:54] oh [18:54] no, it didn't start up at boot [18:55] i did rpc.portmap, rpc.mountd and rpc.nfsd by hand [18:55] mordy, oh it is /var/log/nfsd that I make (I had resued your words there, heh) [18:55] but it's empty :/ [18:56] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] mordy, oh you don't need to do that on the server. Just add your folders that are to be exported to '/etc/exports' and be sure the files: /etc/rc.d/rc.rps and /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd are "executable" by a simple "chmod +x filename" . [18:56] evening boys'n'girls :-) [18:57] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:57] mordy, since those files are "executable" now..whenever the server turns on..boots up..it'll fire the nfs up automatically. You can confirm that from a client, by using "showmount -e ip-of-your-nfs-server" [18:57] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] isnt that rc.rpc? [18:57] macavity, yes [18:58] hmm... didn't know abtotu showmount [18:58] maybe i'll use it instead of mount -l [18:58] mordy, there's also ways to "lockdown' persmissions to the server, using /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny file..fwiw too. [18:59] mordy, showmount's nice..lists all the exports [18:59] mordy: showmount -e works quite differently from mount -l [18:59] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-159-213.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:59] Action: mordy does man showmount [18:59] mordy: look 'em both up in the manpages :P [18:59] thaaat a boy ;-) [18:59] mordy, now if the server shutdown on ya, many times..when the servers back up, if done correctly..you can start reusing them folders again :) [19:00] old_fogie, even if the server didn't stop cleanly? [19:00] yup [19:00] but that wasn't my case though [19:00] right [19:00] as of linux .26 there has been added some pretty nifty "dont you fucking hang on me" stuff for NFS [19:01] mordy, alienbob has a great wiki for nfs at his docuwiki/website tehre [19:01] stale NFS mounts used to be an outright PITA [19:01] macavity, aint that the truth..what a pita it was , heh [19:01] but that is fortunatly now history :P [19:01] pita=pain in the ass? [19:01] yes [19:01] oh [19:01] Old_Fogie: whats with the suthern/farmer accent today? :P [19:01] I'll take nfs over samba anyday [19:01] i saw it a few times, that acronym, only got its full expansion now [19:02] macavity: huh ain't is a NY thing at least Western NY [19:02] macavity, it's -20 windchill and a foot of snow on the way...I wish I were in the south, heh [19:02] I say eh sometiems and I know I do :) [19:02] Action: Old_Fogie snowblows snow down towards kitche :) [19:02] Old_Fogie: cannadian? [19:02] macavity, only about 20 minutes from there [19:02] your excused then :P [19:02] Old_Fogie: here we aren't suppose to get anything :) since it seems like it won't go down to far [19:02] macavity, new york/canada border [19:03] kitche, lucky you. man we are getting hammered [19:03] I got 4' of snow in the yard [19:03] click.... click.... click..... RIGHT! NY is also a state, kkthxbai [19:03] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-159-213.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:03] macavity :) [19:03] damn.. i think i flunked US geography :P [19:03] kitche, we got anothe foot coming too [19:03] orhowtospell [19:03] macavity, it's ok, I failed it too :) [19:04] Old_Fogie: they did say this morning 12"-24" but haven't seen any snow yet down here [19:04] hmm, maybe it's shooting up to me lol [19:04] I really wish Al Gore never invented this global warming, it's messing me up. [19:05] can't find alienbob's nfs wiki page [19:05] It's there [19:05] hey there he is : [19:05] :D [19:05] lol [19:05] Typed "nfs" in the search field yet? [19:05] Old_Fogie: think pretty much all of the peopel who watched the game turned if off before the 2nd period began :) [19:05] mordy, put his wiki in top of your links, good stuff. [19:06] kitche, yea I know [19:06] alienBOB: question for ya [19:06] tell me about it. [19:06] oh, found it [19:06] but it's pretty small [19:06] I got 5 jokes going thru my head on that one [19:06] Old_Fogie: the atmosphere of Mars has gone up +.5C since 1970 (average: full serface/year cycle)... which insidentially is the same average temperature climb that earth has seen since 1970 :P [19:07] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.148.16) left irc: "leaving" [19:07] macavity, so we're Martian's then ? [19:07] :D [19:07] Old_Fogie: so it could be "Solar system warming" as opposed to global warming [19:07] j0z (n=JESUS@201-24-234-122.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:07] i'm sure the microbes under the permafrost on mars have their own al gore as well [19:08] macavity, I see. well I'm freezing my nuts off still :) [19:08] "Alus Gorae" [19:08] if it IS the former, i think we have misscalculated our impact on climate... one way or the other .oO(FEAR)Oo. [19:08] macavity, I just like to pig Al Gore tho :) [19:08] pck [19:08] manbearpig? [19:09] mordy, I just saw your Al gore thing lol [19:09] thrice` shoot (but it may take time to see an answer as I am far from sober) [19:09] man sex [19:09] really I think most of the global warming that humans do, goes out the giant holes we put in the atmosphere :) [19:09] No manual entry for sex (please install it!) [19:09] No manual entry for sex [19:09] macavity, haha [19:09] kitche, good point [19:09] alienBOB: haha; other than iso-codes and libical, did you add anything else for kde 4.2 ? I have a feeling libmsn will go in for kopete too [19:10] smileybones (n=smileybo@mic92-5-82-224-238-10.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] gezus [19:10] MSN needs a library now?!? [19:10] macavity, I was thinking the same thing [19:10] hmm.. but what i really want to do right now is take care of stale nfs shares :( [19:10] minus the 'gezus' part but yea :) [19:11] i thought three sleezy magazines and an outdated manual on Turbo Pascal 6.0 would do it... [19:11] I just use bitlbee it's funny that some people actually install bitlbee just to use it [19:11] kde4 seems a tad more modular, (not as bad as gnome) so that's a plus tho macavity [19:11] mordy: you can force unmount them [19:11] maybe then they'll fix cve's faster, *cough* [19:12] mordy: umount -f does it... in fact the -f option is explicitly documented as being there for NFS [19:12] hmm... [19:12] mordy: ... it does work tor other things too though... just be carefull not to hose anything with it [19:13] thrice`: added automoc4 iso-codes libical and libdvdread [19:13] mordy, I usually try the 'umount -a -t nfs -f' [19:13] automoc4?!? [19:13] can someone help me understand which table gets processed first in netfilter ? [19:13] old_fogie, i still have a device busy error [19:13] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:13] but I think I'm redundant on that, /etc/rc.d/rc) I believe details how t's doen [19:13] 0 I mean [19:13] and lsof on the mountpoint gives me a "stale file handle" [19:14] shit... my KDE-fu is going to rust like hell before i ever get on KDE4 :-S [19:14] yep, automoc4 is already in there, just bundled with akonadi [19:14] hmm.. let me see that one. i just looked at rc.nfsd [19:14] mordy: somewhere you have a shell open in one of the subdirectories [19:14] mordy, any app's you know of looking for it. [19:14] macavity, i don't. [19:14] alienBOB: ok, thanks :) [19:14] mordy: yank it then :P [19:15] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Success [19:15] old_fogie, i did have some shell windows which tried to unmount it earlier and theyy hanged [19:15] so i just closed them [19:15] yup [19:15] that'll free ya up most likely [19:15] thrice`: yeah well, split it out as a separate package :-) [19:15] yep; I did the same, as it gave me hell too :> [19:16] nargon: hang on.. let me see if i can find rworkman's tutorial on the matter [19:16] How is 4.2 going? Nice? [19:16] O yes [19:16] I run it all day [19:16] Nick change: sitwon_ -> sitwon [19:16] hmm.. there's an xfce mount applet that refuses to die [19:16] 4.2 final will be tagged next week :) [19:16] 4.2rc1 that is [19:16] alienBOB, is it comparable to the perf of kd33.5.10 (/me hopes so) [19:16] could that be it? [19:16] perf=performance [19:16] It feels smoother Old_Fogie [19:17] i've tried -2 -15 and -9 but it refuses to die [19:17] really?! awesome! [19:17] macavity: thanks [19:17] nargon: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/iptables/ [19:18] nargon: sorry, it is not actually rworkman's totorial... he just mirrors it [19:18] The KDE4 user interface needs some getting used to but once you grasp the new concepts it works so powerfully in your favour [19:18] macavity, thanks i'll check it out appreciated [19:18] Action: macavity remember the last time he got whacked over the head for accidentally implying that rworkman had anything to do with it [19:18] alienBOB: keep talking... [19:19] alienBOB: so far it has done nothing but annoying me [19:19] macavity: bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla [19:19] alienBOB, aha I see. Is Slackware going to have a "buildsystem" for it per se' similar to what it has for KDE 3.5.10 now? I as since, as I hve gnome, I have many libs that need rebuild, add, upgrade etc that I forsee having to rebuild kde4 for the sake of good housekeeping if anything. [19:19] :-) [19:19] alienBOB: whats the uber cool replacement for having a big nice pile of junk on the desktop? [19:19] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:19] Old_Fogie: you mean, fire off one script that builds it all? [19:19] alienBOB, yes will it have that? [19:20] macavity: I never have much custom stuff on my desktop [19:20] alienBOB, or if anything a "build-order.txt" file? [19:20] Old_Fogie: just like the KDE 4.1.3 in testing, there is a KDE.SlackBuild that builds everything [19:20] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] i do... i dont actually "use KDE" as such.. i need a Desktop for throwing icons on for the few apps that i use.. and a pull down terminal [19:20] alienBOB, yes I saw that, I just didn't know if that was still the intent to have (which I think is great :) [19:21] The testing/packages/kde4/README lists the build order for the "deps" but KDE.SlackBuild builds all of KDE4 in correct order automatically [19:21] hmm... maybe the problem is this [19:21] man I need to build perl-5.8.9 it seems [19:21] macavity: you can still add icons onto the desktop, only it is no longer limited to displaying the content of the folder called "Desktop" [19:21] kitche, ouch [19:21] i have my local proc mounted to the stale nfs share [19:22] but i can't seem to unmount it either [19:22] well if it's in use you can't umount it why would you mount a local proc to a nfs share anyways? [19:22] alienBOB: yeah.. i can make these little local container thingies that wont cover the whole desktop [19:22] mordy, I think once you make the folder in /var/log that we spoke about earlier..should this happen again...and you have them two scripts executable in /etc/rc.d you'll find that really wont happen much more if ever [19:22] kitche, for a chrooot [19:22] mordy, maybe reboot is just better at this time I say if you can [19:23] mordy: wellyou made a horrible chroot then [19:23] kitche, why? [19:23] you pretty much gave the chroot access to the host system [19:24] kitche, i don't care about that [19:24] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-126-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:24] aww man I can't 'ctrl +' to zoom text in my epiphany webkit build :( [19:24] that stinx [19:24] it's not like the server chroot will suddently revolt against the host [19:24] gnome dev's probably yanked it out thinking it would confuse me [19:24] :P [19:24] although i can see some problems that may arise [19:25] wish mozilla would finish the qt4 programming :) [19:25] kitche, the qt4 port of firefox you mean? [19:25] ? [19:26] macavity, there's a fork/port whatever of FF to qt4, it looks awesome. [19:26] on the other hand, i wonder if there's really any advantage to having proc mounted on a chroot system [19:26] Old_Fogie: yes hence what I said :) [19:26] sweet [19:26] afterhours (n=ut@c-24-245-0-93.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] considering i don't want the chroot to administer the host [19:26] macavity, it's fast [19:26] now that my single most hated omission in FF has been removed, i will probably switch to it with KDE4 [19:26] ok brb folks. going to reboot [19:26] what was removed from FF? [19:27] mordy (n=mordy@pool-68-160-226-210.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] sorry, fixed [19:27] or fixed? [19:27] hit back...be where you were is my biggest FF gripe [19:27] omission removed <- syntax error :P [19:27] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Connection timed out [19:27] kitche: that it didnt remember page possitions when i hit back [19:27] aside from it's sqlite performance for phishing ofcourse [19:27] macavity, haha yea same here [19:27] makes FF useless [19:28] it does it right from 3.0.3 [19:28] macavity, they probably took it out thinking it would confuse users [19:28] I never noticed [19:28] page positioning works for me in 3.0.4 [19:28] kitche, yea be at bottom of page...click a link...then back button...you're all of sudden at top of page. I dont know why tho. [19:28] Old_Fogie: it was never there from the beginning [19:29] Minagi: yes, ive noticed [19:29] I remember it being there in my windows days [19:29] Old_Fogie: ah yeah that wouldn't bother me [19:30] it bothers me.. as i go through very long lists of.. of.. of... erhm.. STUFF [19:30] well bbiab, gotta check the snow production outside :) [19:30] hmm odd perl 5.8.9 compiled faster then perl 5.8.8 [19:31] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:32] stuff ;) i find sometimes on pages with lots of images it either takes a while to reposition or just doesn't do it at all. but for an all text page like a reddit page, it's almost instant. [19:32] mordy (n=mordy@pool-68-160-226-210.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [19:34] so Vista has a little brother it seems at least from what I have seen so far who thinks that it will fail just as hard :) [19:34] lol [19:35] can someone recommend a nice condensed console font that looks nice at large sizes? [19:35] umm terminal? [19:35] hmm... [19:35] that's a font just so you know :) [19:35] yeah, i know [19:35] xterm uses it, i think [19:36] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [19:36] hmmm.. i don't have the terminal font :| [19:37] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [19:37] terminus is what the font is called [19:37] Not part of Slackware [19:37] maybe monospace [19:37] firefox is stupid, how the hell is it opening a local instance of FF when i run it on a remote machine and forward X? [19:37] no, monospace and terminus are two different things [19:38] xterm seems to use it, but gnome-terminal doesn't seem to find it [19:38] this isn't necessarily a slackware issue though, althoguh indirectly since i will be doing most of my slackware stuff from this host, it is :P [19:38] oh i see, i use monospace on yakuake [19:39] yakuake? is that another xterm? [19:39] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:39] yakuake is a quake-like terminal pretty cool actually since it comes down from the top [19:40] yes it's yep :) [19:40] anyone know how to configure mysql to server more simultanious connectons ? [19:40] my joomla server maxes out somtimes [19:40] and says database unavailable [19:40] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.45) left ##slackware. [19:40] somtimes i get surges of a few hunderd people hitting it [19:41] yakuake seems neat [19:41] but i find it too invasive since it doesn't have a title bar [19:41] nargon: it's in my.cnf [19:42] how do i know the safe limit ? [19:42] i mean.. for my machine [19:42] yakuake is very cool app for working station... it's helps up your hand and very quickly access [19:42] depends on the ram of the machine I believe [19:42] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] well its 32 bit so 4G is the max [19:42] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [19:42] 3gb max [19:43] 3.5gigs actually [19:43] how do i close this thing? [19:43] :D [19:43] oh, i see [19:43] the fact yakuake has no tible bar helps unclutter it i think [19:43] skill [19:43] xkill [19:43] where do i find my.cnf i just searched /etc and /var [19:44] edman007, I'm not sure, but you could check /usr/bin/firefox and /usr/lib/firefox-$VERSION/run-mozilla.sh and see if they are doing anything funny behind your back [19:44] yakuake ftw [19:44] ewww QT [19:44] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.73) left irc: ""Going home... 8:44 pm here, work's over"" [19:44] nargon did you try "locate my.cnf" ? [19:44] QT or Qt? [19:44] nathanbw, i have FF 2 in the VM, firefox -v -> 2.x.x.x, so i run firefox and a window pops up and it says 3.x [19:44] nay [19:44] I never got why Linux systems do the whole /usr/lib/firefox-$VERSION [19:44] how and why the hell is that happening? [19:45] didn't find it... [19:45] nargon: updatedb first [19:45] try "updatedb" first and then retry the locate command [19:45] edman007, ! that's interesting... Two packages installed? [19:45] what will updatedb do ? [19:46] nargon: creates the database for locate to use [19:46] look at the manpage [19:46] sorry [19:46] nathanbw, its a VM! [19:46] did you try htop ? [19:47] macavity, is there a difference between the two? [19:47] did updatedb -u then tried locate my.cnf no luck [19:47] i'm referring to kde's graphic engine [19:47] edman007, so you have a VM, inside the VM you have an OS. While inside the VM, you start firefox, but the wrong version pops up? Fill me in on just what is happening [19:47] mordy: between what two? [19:48] QT and Qt [19:48] although i was referring to the latter [19:48] nathanbw, no, i have a host with a VM, when i run FF in the VM it exits and opens a window from the instance of FF outside the VM [19:48] guys fot mysql, what is the default username and password? [19:48] anyways, i found it, -no-remote turns that off... [19:48] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.182.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:49] mordy: ah, no, QT == Quick Time: Qt == a multithreaded GIU library that brings signals to C++ [19:49] tntslack: i think it's root and blank pw [19:49] ahh, forgot about quicktime [19:49] s/IU/UI/ [19:49] tntslack: root and it doesn't have a password by default [19:49] sorry, interobject signals [19:49] tntslack you have to set it when you set up mysql [19:49] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.142.118) joined ##slackware. [19:50] U-Neeks (i=555@201-67-83-120.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:50] edman007, cool. That does sound like a crazy behavior. Like the time I opened a shrink-wrapped CD and put it in the CD player, and it had all the exact same tracks as the previous CD I was listening to. I flipped out until I realized I never removed the old CD from the player. Looked like crazy magic until I figured that out haha. [19:50] smileybones kitche nargon i can't connect... [19:51] well you have to do a few things first of course if you read the rc.mysqld script you see what you need to do [19:51] tntslack what error do you get from sqld ? [19:51] and i installed from slacky.eu... no needed setup... [19:51] smileybones host name error... [19:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:52] but my host is the one i got... [19:53] and i ping it is ok... [19:53] nathanbw, lol [19:53] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [19:53] error N.2003 [19:53] hmm xorg is thinking of getting rid of Xlib that it has now and using libxcb? [19:55] try using its ip address maybe instead of the hostname (whats is the last number a the end of the err msg, it's between braces ?) [19:55] hmm... terminus isn't bold enough [19:55] it's great in small sizes though [19:56] ould not connect to host 'tntslack'. [19:56] MySQL Error Nr. 2003 [19:56] Can't connect to MySQL server on 'tntslack' (111) [19:56] Channel flood from tntslack -- kicking [19:56] Click the 'Ping' button to see if there is a networking problem. [19:56] tntslack kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:56] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.241.50) joined ##slackware. [19:56] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. [19:56] 111 is connection refused by the server [19:56] i was kicked :( did you say something before ? [19:57] yes sorry, 111 mean "conneciotn refused by the server" [19:57] xmm and why that? [19:57] what that's mean ? [19:57] how can i fix it? [19:58] most likely means the service isn't running [19:58] tribeca (n=naitso@host213-34-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [19:58] or you're connecting to the wrong address, or you're not on the allowed host lists [19:59] Minagi (n=Minagi@pool-71-248-44-75.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:59] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [20:01] how i can see what server am i running right now? [20:01] "ps -e | grep sql" should return at least one result [20:01] anyways deattach I go [20:02] netstat? [20:02] is there anything like dstat in slackware? [20:03] what is dstat ? [20:03] it's a nice, colored, scrolling version of iostat [20:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:04] oh like htop and top ? [20:04] well, yes and no [20:04] it's not paging [20:04] tntslack: if you dont know why you were kicked just before, it is a clear sign that you have not read the channel guidelines [20:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:04] but it looks like it [20:04] tntslack: please do so...... [20:05] afterhours (n=ut@c-24-245-0-93.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] i see, thanks for the tip i'll try it :) [20:05] macavity i know the rezone ;) thanks [20:05] it has columns for these: usr sys idl wai hiq siq| read writ| recv send| in out | int csw [20:05] and it writes a new line under the previous one each second [20:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-249321.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/dstat/ [20:08] thanks [20:10] Action: mordy just likes the default colors :D [20:12] yes it's more nicer to look at, will add to the toolbox hehe [20:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c2a0c93486a5820a) joined ##slackware. [20:17] they don't have a slack pkg for it on dag, maybe they accept submissions [20:18] Any of you guys run timidity? [20:18] smileybones: ? [20:19] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:19] sorry, i don't [20:19] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] I'm working on my suspend script and I noticed that timidity just runs CPU at 100% after suspend, so I decided to go ahead, save the command, kill all timidity processes and restart after suspend, but keeps doing it. [20:19] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:19] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Maybe Nted has something to do with that.. [20:22] so does this Circuit City failure mean liquidation good deals or liquidation no deals [20:22] does the "ps -ef | grep timidity" give you a hint on what it is doing when using your cpu ? [20:22] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:24] well it's running [20:24] nullboy: If its anything like the compusa one it will be no deals. [20:24] smileybones: Would you like to see my suspend.sh ? [20:25] sure [20:25] nullboy: probably good deals once the government approves it [20:25] It's just running at 99.9% ;) [20:25] lol [20:26] CaMiKaSe (n=CaMiKaSe@201-42-170-213.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:26] now wtf is anyone else going to do with all these store buildings that have a gigantic red box as front of the building? [20:26] nullboy: pizza store? [20:26] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] they should just spin off Circuit Pizza [20:27] nullboy: circuit city: Liquidation sales begin as early as Saturday, January 17, 2009, and will last as long as it takes to sell through the merchandise at each of the stores.  We expect the sales to wrap up by the end of March 2009. [20:27] smileybones: http://rafb.net/p/Fp9Xb171.html [20:27] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.113.139) joined ##slackware. [20:28] what a brutal ordeal [20:29] i always wonder how any company manages to do a liquidation sale. As soon as I knew the place was done for I would have quit [20:29] alkos333: are the processes effectively killed before the box enters the suspend state ? [20:29] probably because the sort of person working at CC doesn't have a whole lot of options for other employment [20:30] smileybones: timidity processes? Well it's in the script :) [20:30] nullboy, i think most people wait until they have another job lined up [20:30] I've succesfully installed compiz-fusion last night on my slack 12.2. It's my first time to use it. But early this morning when I try to open my xmanager it seems to have some errors. After the splash screen I'm stuck with my wallpaper and my cursor. I'm thinking it has something to do with compiz-fusion bcoz when I try to start other xmanger wherein I did not use compiz-fusion works well. Does somebody know what seems to be the problem ? [20:30] plus I'm sure they want it to stay open as long as possible so they can find other jobs [20:30] when you know its going under thats when you start looking, not when you leave [20:30] Yes, I check if a timidity server is running, save the command it was started with, kill the process and the start it with the saved command after resume [20:30] well for me,I'd gtfo [20:30] I commented things well in the script [20:31] alkos333: yeah but killall is not killall -9 and maybe they don't have enough time to die [20:32] alkos333: or they dont ... want to die hehehe [20:32] smileybones: right, but after it comes back from suspend, there's only one timidity process and it has a different pid from the one that was running before suspend [20:32] smileybones: lol [20:32] nat2610 (n=nfelsen@adsl-99-185-243-218.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:33] alkos333: right so i don't know enough timidity i'm affraid then [20:33] CaMiKaSe (n=CaMiKaSe@201-42-170-213.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] Well... apparently I don't enough of it either :) [20:34] The thing is I think it's caused by Nted [20:34] I use timidity for midi sequencer [20:34] for Nted replay function [20:35] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:35] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.241.50) left irc: "Leaving" [20:35] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] it doesn't have a --dont-harrass-timidity switch ? [20:36] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [20:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:36] let me check lol [20:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] I've succesfully installed compiz-fusion last night on my slack 12.2. It's my first time to use it. But early this morning when I try to open my xmanager it seems to have some errors. After the splash screen I'm stuck with my wallpaper and my cursor. I'm thinking it has something to do with compiz-fusion bcoz when I try to start other xmanger wherein I did not use compiz-fusion works well. Does somebody know what seems to be the problem ? [20:40] ok.. never have more than one tab open when doing online banking: http://www.darkreading.com/security/attacks/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212900161 [20:40] macavity, without even looking at that ..I 'regree' [20:41] alkos333: going to bed, bye guys [20:42] smileybones: Night. Thank you for your help! [20:42] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:42] nathan- (n=nathan@121-55-237-126.dynamic.c100.guam.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] smileybones (n=smileybo@mic92-5-82-224-238-10.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [20:43] macavity, yet again another reason why I think many browsers should have a 'noscript' like configure built in and denyall first then you allow per site. [20:43] hmmm... transmission started segfaulting on me [20:43] after the last update [20:44] macavity, seems all these browsers maker (and I'm just talking out my butt) seem to avoid giving us what we want..no javascript..no flash unless we ask for it, as their afraid java, or adobe will come down on them.. just my gutt feel, but it seems like it. [20:44] Old_Fogie: i wonder if enough security breaches in the financial sector could actually be used to prohibit "networking capable off-the-shelf software"... if it is not Free/Open :P [20:45] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [20:45] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:45] grrrrr [20:45] i HATE that :P [20:45] macavity, actually , I think the more exploits work in favor on proprietary to be honest. I don't agree with that 'premise' that it should, but I think it does. [20:45] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] only in the minds of lamers [20:46] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] macavity, because we've yet to really see firefox, or webkit champion the way to using java. only one really taking a stab at 'locking down' these 3rd party apps is google. I hate to agree with M$ but they're right..the majority of exploits are 3rd party these days..sad but it does seem that way. [20:47] what file do I need to edit to cofigure the startup for xfce4 [20:47] i suspect hat if the US govt was to discussing such a thing, NSA (who doneted lots of security code to linux) would probably support it [20:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:47] atom_fox, well it depends on what you mean for startup, can you explain more of what you want. [20:48] macavity, I think as more floss comes about, I think these matters will come to 'more of a head' for sure. [20:48] Old_Fogie: the current hell-worm-of-the-net is purely an IE flaw [20:49] because I'm having problems launching compiz-fusion on startup of my xdce [20:49] xfce [20:49] atom_fox: fusion-icon? [20:49] macavity, but in the interim, I'd really like to see the floss' lock down these browser add-ons. I mean, heck..Firefox still doesnt check the authenticity of the extensions that people use, or get updates of that I'm aware of. If I'm wrong some one let me know with a link..but I think their still _not_ doing that even. [20:49] I've succesfully installed compiz-fusion last night it work weel [20:49] atom_fox, ah ok, let me get the locale for you. [20:49] well I mean [20:49] ?? [20:49] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.44) joined ##slackware. [20:49] atom_fox, I believe you need to check out /etc/xfce/xdg [20:49] douglasjam (n=djam@189.12.190.23) joined ##slackware. [20:49] ls [20:49] oops [20:50] nathan-: fail :P [20:50] somebody recommend a good video player? [20:50] atom_fox, the 'autostart' of programs for xfce is in your home folder..~/.config/autostart [20:50] douglasjam: xine does the trick for me [20:50] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [20:50] atom_fox, all items there are 'desktop' files you can delete whichever you need too. [20:50] when I start my xmanager this morning I'm stuck with the wallpaper and cursor and nothing else [20:50] douglasjam: xine for video and amarok for music :-) [20:50] you can cd xfce4-session and edit xfce4-session.rc [20:51] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-214-23.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:51] atom_fox, if you told xfce to start compiz-fusion up...it'll be there. [20:51] where i told ya [20:51] scroll down to client0_command [20:51] ok thanks [20:51] and replace xfwm4 with compiz [20:52] batman_ramirez (n=user@pc-10-70-104-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] ok thanks [20:52] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] anyone has tried slack on a eee pc\ [20:52] what is eee? [20:52] batman_ramirez, yup there's a slackwiki for it [20:52] if you're running nvidia graphics, I suggest reinstalling the linux driver from the nvidia website. I've always had better luck with that driver than the one from the repos [20:52] batman_ramirez: there is an article on slackwiki.org on it [20:53] thx ill have a look [20:53] how big is the D (Development) set? [20:53] i.e. in terms of installed packages [20:53] nathan-: imho, the slackbuilds.org repackage is the nicest thing ever [20:53] this ftp mirror is dreadfully slow [20:54] Action: edman007 gives nathan- a torrent [20:54] I'll have to give it a shot. I'm speaking purely from a compiz standpoint [20:54] nathan-: its all just a binary anyways [20:54] nathan-: we dont have access to the nVidia driver source code, remember? [20:54] yeah... [20:54] but at least we have access to a nvidia driver [20:55] to me that doest really constiture "access" [20:55] *constitute [20:55] how 'bout the "ability to use" [20:55] better :P [20:56] i like this new Guns And Roses song. not to bad [20:56] this gnu/linux "free" rhetoric gets confusing sometimes [20:56] i just spell it with a capital F [20:56] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.113.139) left irc: "Leaving" [20:56] well, i've never heard of a vendor that charged for a driver of their product [20:57] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] me neither, but there's the ones that refuse to cooperate with other operating systems [20:58] or are just too lazy [20:58] like broadcom's stuff or flash on bsd [20:58] but i doubt there's a huge market for gpus on linux [20:58] well, they could be a startup too, and not have the funds to design for 1% of desktop use [20:59] in that case they could just publish the programming interfaces for the device [20:59] macavity, why? 1% market share [20:59] .. and have it done for free (lower case f) [20:59] Old_Fogie: good karma? investment in the future? [20:59] homage to the penguin? [20:59] macavity, doesnt pay bills tho [20:59] douglasjam (n=djam@189.12.190.23) left ##slackware. [21:00] it doesnt cost anything to publish specs [21:00] macavity, sure it does [21:00] maybe it would help rivals understand how they mka etheir products [21:00] since when? [21:00] mordy: i understand hardware pretty well.. and that point is just not true [21:00] although an interface is really not the internal design of the product, but merely the external interface(duh) [21:00] macavity, if you spent r&d and were a 'startup' company..to give away what you did? Unless you got a real good reason, there's no point imo (for a small company now, I'm not talking video cards) [21:01] mordy: exactly :P [21:01] Old_Fogie: see above... [21:01] macavity, but it could help a rival to redesign their own driver [21:01] macavity, in a few years time I might, not out of the gate on something tho, you'll find yourself in soupline [21:01] Old_Fogie: i dont want them to show me how they connect the transistors... i want to know what to push in what register to make foo go into bar mode [21:02] (which actually might be a good ting for the driver, but it's in the interest of each company to ave their rival suck) [21:02] macavity, start a company, pay people then give away their work and tell me how it goes :) [21:03] tell me how it costs nothing or a competitor comes and squashes ya [21:03] mordy: if the rival make their hardware as to make it compatible (or very similar to) an existing driver, it is ONLY a good thing if the original company has published their specs... as that way the copycat is going get a hard time telling the judge that it was all just accidental :P [21:03] Avelino (n=Avelino@189-46-56-82.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:03] I agree on common every day devices it's a must, but not specialties [21:03] Old_Fogie: what? huh? i giving out specs to hardware does just not fall into the scenario you are painting [21:04] period [21:04] macavity, even the gpl agrees this way w.r.t medical industry [21:04] sure it does, it's one of many keys to the city [21:04] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.113.139) joined ##slackware. [21:04] macavity, true as well.. since the interface is dependent on the internal design, but you never know what kind of optimizations were made [21:04] nathan? [21:04] Old_Fogie: can you find me a concrete case? [21:05] so while the interface will work for many products, it will possibly only be very efficient with a given chipset [21:05] eek.. specific case [21:05] macavity, sure look at Stallman's wimpering out when it comes to medical field when reviewing for the gpl3 [21:05] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:05] mordy: you are not allowed to copy another corps interface to the device [21:05] macavity, he admits that if everyone who _pays_ for research gives it away noone will go foss [21:05] consumer use is one thing..specialty never happen [21:06] it's an achilles heal sadly [21:06] achilles did not use dr scholl's. sadly [21:06] batman_ramirez (n=user@pc-10-70-104-200.cm.vtr.net) left ##slackware. [21:06] haha [21:07] Old_Fogie: i dont know where this all turned into GPL and medical industry.. i am still just talking about the specs that show programmers how to talk to a computer device [21:07] macavity, gellin? [21:07] edman007: gellin? [21:07] All I can tell ya, go to your local bank..ask for seed money for todo r&d to design and device and tell them when you're done, your business model is to give out your research for free, and you have no desire to get a patent. Good Luck, have fun. [21:08] no you idiot.. my buisness model is to sell items [21:08] physical items [21:08] macavity, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gellin%27 [21:08] things that goes into computers [21:08] "I'm gellin' like a felon!" [21:08] macavity, embedded for heart machines, etc. basically medical said..no way to gpl (mostly fud was the excuses) but the fact of leading to stagnation in design is conceivable [21:08] i think old_fogie's point is that the individual developers won't like having their work released to the public regardless of whether there is a rationale for their thinking like that or not [21:09] If you ever owned a business, first and foremost is to get a backlog in sales, your job's not to pay people, it's not to be a social citizen and give stuff away. It's 'sales'. Just how it is. [21:09] I'm chillin' like a villain [21:10] Old_Fogie: you just SO lost me somewhere.. i have no clue why you are talking about GPL and this medical thing here... GPL and specifications on hardware has nothing to do with eachother [21:10] chillin' wif da ritalin :-" [21:10] Old_Fogie: and last time i checked, my north bridge and my ethernet controller has not medical research in them [21:10] Old_Fogie: though, both have published specs.... [21:11] macavity, embedded linux in medical industry I'm referring too [21:11] the intel 945 chipset has a secret proctology interface implemented [21:11] macavity, as an examlple [21:11] i've narrowed it down! [21:11] after many hours of fruitless.. probably pointless.. labor [21:11] something in ~/.config/xfce4/panel [21:12] narrowed down what? [21:12] is ruining dbus [21:12] and i'm still convinced that compiz did it [21:12] but that's a nonissue now [21:12] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c2a0c93486a5820a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:12] Old_Fogie: ok.. now i think i grasp what you are going on about [21:13] macavity, but that aside, I'm still waiting to be 'shocked' by floss. we've got specs now on ATI, intel and their performance is still sub-par to windows (sadly). I've read now for 3 years "give us the specs we'll do better" and I'm still studdering here, :( [21:13] anyone ever used one of these dvi splitters? [21:13] Old_Fogie: so, lest say i make a peice of hardware that does molecular analysis of some sort... and when you buy it from me, it is powered by linux, right? [21:13] Old_Fogie: it's only been out for a bit though, hasn't it? the ati docs i mean [21:13] lotec, I have it's hit n miss [21:13] http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3685183&CatId=467 [21:13] macavity, yes [21:14] hiptobecubic, over a year now, but they are dumping little at at time too in defense of floss (and dont get me wrong I'm hoepfull, I'm jst waiting to be "shocked and awed" :) [21:14] Old_Fogie thinking of geting another monitor. But i only have the one output on my macbook. and i want to be able to run both monitors off it or it is not worth me getting the monitor [21:15] Old_Fogie: and since you said embedded we assume that it is some sort of gizmo that can be viewed as a single component, right? [21:15] lotec, wish I could say "yes" , in my (limited) experience it's be htt miss [21:15] macavity, to a certain degree, but take a heart monitor, these days..it's hard to tell if their a device or a computer. [21:15] lotec: just as clone display? [21:15] Old_Fogie what exactly do I need to add on the .desktop? I'm really not sure [21:15] Old_Fogie: hence the "can be viewed as" [21:16] Old_Fogie: in the hands of the user it is a single item [21:16] macavity, let me restate my side if you will.. In an ideal world I'd like it that you could design something and it be floss. I however can't conceive in my head how you do it..and make money ..and not just money I mean big money. [21:16] Old_Fogie: eg, i pick it off the shelf and i start doing things with it [21:16] atom_fox: still trying to autostart compiz? [21:16] hiptobecubit: that is all it will do right? like no way to get it to display as a 3rd monitor [21:16] yup [21:17] I tried you suggestion [21:17] i see these usb to vga adapters but i am not to sure about those. Probley a waste of cash [21:17] atom_fox, that folder lists what items get started up...you can just move them out of their, or delete them. you can always recreate what starts up with xfce, by going into 'auto started applicatsions' in xfce-settings-show window [21:17] lotec, they aren't 'adapters' [21:17] they are fully fledged GPUs and are independent of any gpu you currently run on your system [21:17] but again I need to push the restart button again bcoz I'm stuck with the wallpaper and curson and nothing again [21:17] I'm assuming you tried the menu-> settings -> autostarted applications, right? [21:18] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-17e00357ac4244e3) joined ##slackware. [21:18] lotec, but they are supported in linux. the usb-dvi ones aren't [21:18] mordy: looking at this one http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3484434&CatId=467 [21:18] lotec, i'm using console, so i can't see the link :| [21:18] Old_Fogie: i never ever said anything about FLOSS... i just said that making the programming specs available for a device [which is intended to be used in conjunction with other devices in a general purpose computer] can hardly cost a company anything [21:18] lotec, in any event, they suck [21:18] moesy: OK [21:18] mordy: got yea [21:18] and compiz works when you do a compiz --replace from the console when you're running xfwm? [21:18] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:18] macavity, so the confusion in business model around floss is what makes it so hard to design and go floss I think. I mean, well let's look at java..their losing money left and right. Sure there's other companies that are doing good, but on the whole, for business to just go that way, I dont know..tuff to wrap one's head around it. [21:18] and they shouldn't be used for anything intensive. it's best if you just have some lightweight stuff and want to display it [21:18] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:19] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:19] yup [21:19] we should just program the robots to hunt us and be done with it [21:19] the robotic revolution of the 1990's!!! [21:20] mordy: well i was thinking of using vmware so i could have slack on one screen and then other stuff: ie itunes etc on the other one [21:20] try compiz --replace in the xfce4-session.rc [21:20] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [21:20] macavity, well yes I see that point. but if you _just_ designed some device right..and were paying staff..and didn't have one order yet..but you incurred costs to get the design..then you gave that info out..it does cost you something. [21:20] but you shouldn't need replace.. [21:20] Old_Fogie: we went past each other somewhere.. i never said anything about FLOSS development.. i am *solely* talking about the myth that open specs to hardware gets to rivals any closer to making a good product [21:20] you saw ther are working on that right? "packs of robots to hunt down" uncompliant humans [21:20] lotec, if you're only going to be using slack for console stuff, it shouldn't be a problem [21:20] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Old_Fogie: no [21:20] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.113.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:21] hum [21:21] macavity, :D hahah I owned a business for too many years..it always comes back too money, heh [21:21] lotec, although there may be some problems. i remember using nx server on windows with a sisusb device, and it crashed [21:21] yea we missed each other on it, heh [21:21] Old_Fogie: the programming interface for a device says *nothing* (unless done outright stupidly) about how the thing works and how the chips are wired [21:21] i actually hacked the sisusb driver and i was able to make it... flash a led on an incompatible device :D [21:22] Old_Fogie: in fact it is an established "norm" that hardware should not bother programmers with internel stuff.. just like a god shared library [21:23] macavity, well if we were talking let's say a 'fan', and you release a manual 'this is how to turn my fan on, and where you put it in a room, or this is how it works with a motor' then no..giving out that info doesnt cost you anything. In fact that is a cost of business. So if you're talking along those lines, as giving ot the 'registers' then yea we agree. [21:23] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [21:23] how something 'interfaces' with no way of getting into the innards [21:23] thats all i want to know about a device.. how the registers work, what values they expect, what computations they return [21:24] it's a programming norm in general [21:24] exactly [21:24] also easier to maintain etc. [21:24] (but if you just want to do something quickly, usually designing an interface isn't a very good idea) [21:24] macavity, now...think of this will you, if me... didn't see that point in your point..til' now..how do the non-techy type in business 'get it' and realize you're not after the design, just the devices 'operating parameters, installation and / or maintenance' so they jump on board. [21:25] so when a company does not release specs for hardware it is because they have another agenda than selling devices to as many people as possible [21:25] well I think floss needs to stop saying "specs" [21:25] Old_Fogie, eh, depends....what if the device is designed to use an algo that is half in hardware and half in software, you would have to know the algo to implement it [21:25] I think foss needs to say 'give us the operating conditions' [21:26] all the companies who do not comply do so for other reasons [21:26] not because they have idiot management [21:26] like broadcom [21:27] they know very very well what we want from them, what that would mean in practice, and who presented them with a handshake that would make it more proffitable to not do so [21:27] macavity, well "give us the specs" does mean different things to different people I think. I think Stallman and his team need a better 'phrase', as I believe 'give us the specs' is misleading and actually harmful to floss cause if you will [21:27] you could say Linus there... [21:27] or Theo [21:27] Old_Fogie, the issue with a lot of those devices is that its not just that simple [21:27] I've been a designer almost my whole life, 'give me the specs' in my field means...give me everything you ever did on this. [21:28] they all say the same: just let us make a driver for you.. we wont even charge you a dime [21:28] edman007, agreed...that was my reference to medical before [21:28] and getting 'seeed money' [21:28] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:28] well, most corporations have some kind of 'interface' or middleman between the $$$ department and the tech department [21:28] macavity, problem is a guy like Linus has no idea what it's like in business, or how to talk to them, hell he cant even talk to a person right about a kernel bug report [21:29] and that division usually is able to give an accurate presentation to the board and tell them, in their language, what 'releasing the specs' mean [21:29] it would be foolish to think otherwise [21:29] Old_Fogie, often the "chip" is a cpu and ram, they don't own the source to run it, and giving you the specs would often break FCC regs since they wouldn't be doing enough to prevent you misusing devices (and thats the big reason why wifi drivers are problematic on linux) [21:29] mordy, you'd hope. but look at 'ventrilo' the guy wont release 'specs' for interfacing..as he fears the floss community will steal ventrillo. he thinks linux users are theives [21:29] Old_Fogie: Linus worked for Transmeta for a long time [21:30] epic laaaag [21:30] video cards though thats not really the issue [21:30] edman007: that one was debunked more than a year ago [21:30] 'transmetta' yea and we see where they're going :) [21:30] edman007: let me find it... hang on [21:30] what's ventrilo? [21:31] what package has dict? [21:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:31] macavity, i know they could work around that issue with the FCC, but the fact is they don't [21:32] well I'd argue being an engineer for a company is alot diff then making the business decisions. but that's a side matter. (not that engineering is important,but it's not equivalent to running a business) [21:32] s/engineering is/isn't [21:32] CCCP Drivers! [21:32] edman007: Atheros has done a nice job lately :P [21:32] edman007, right, and it's it more than we think of. look at energy management systems for buildings, power lants,same thing [21:33] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:33] macavity, we have vendors right, that make devices that hook into computers, you should see what I've been going thru to get data from them to hook into linux [21:34] macavity, for energy management; what a nightmare [21:34] i imagine [21:34] macavity, no they have not... [21:34] Old_Fogie: I've done that work, programming and installing PLC's with linux for buildign energy management, also different linux systems for secure access, the list goes on [21:34] macavity, I've made some progress tho once I get to the guys in the design deparments of these companies, not their 'business managers' [21:34] its not a nightmare to do energy management [21:34] macavity, the Atheros people are not helping with ath5k, thats reverse engineered [21:34] briareus, yup [21:34] edman007: they just open sourced the a/b/g/ HAL, and they are pretty involved in ath9k [21:35] macavity, you should see how much $$ is floating in energy management fields..alll locked up by M$ [21:35] I've also installed and configured linux-based PLCs for patient occupancy management. These things are stuck in the cieling above doors, you'd never think linux is everywhere over your head [21:35] Old_Fogie: just keep on banging your head against them... some day, sooner or later, they cave in :P [21:35] briareus, yea it's amazing [21:36] I've worked a lot with Brivo's linux based secure access and lighting controls systems [21:36] macavity, I actually offer them all my design notes back no charge. I dont make my money off patents :) [21:36] briareus, ever worked with GE lighting systems (their awesome..so proprietary it's not even funny) [21:37] Old_Fogie: no, but right now I work with GEMS all over the hospitals [21:37] macavity, yea this day and age, a guy who runs a building , power plant, can turn everything on off on his blackberry, (or darn near) [21:37] briareus, hospitals are oozing money right now :) [21:37] Action: Old_Fogie gets his shovel to get some [21:38] Old_Fogie: true and laughable story: GEMS uses "embedded XP" on their patient vital signs monitoring systems, and wheneverI have to admin them, I laugh at the same old XP menu with Messenger running and card games--on an 'embedded' vital signs systems!!!! [21:38] briareus, used to be energy and lighting in buildings or in powerplants, or schools redisigns, but hospitals and healthcare now...with all these baby boomers. I'm turning away work. [21:38] Old_Fogie: actually, we're getting our asses kicked. Banner Healthcare laid off 300 people just yesterday [21:38] good thing I'm not banner [21:39] yeah for sure [21:39] Old_Fogie: what do you do and how can I play ball [21:39] ;) [21:39] we getting alot of calls for designs to upgrade, add save money go green all that [21:39] I bet [21:40] I have experience, from the field engineering side and installation of things like VFDs to the inside programming and admin and customer relations bit [21:40] I only get about 30% of the total jobs payout tho. 30% design fees..But if they never do the work..well I never get the remaining 70% of fees [21:40] all aspects but billing [21:40] but we're doing so many 30% jobs heh [21:40] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.44) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [21:40] you are an energy management company? [21:40] variable frequency drives...we're still doing them here since they changed alot of outdoor air requirements [21:41] briareus, design, energy management, power plant fire controls automation. full mechanical electrical [21:41] pharma too [21:41] tho ..pharma is dead [21:41] yeah VFDs are kinda cool. The central plants wind up and down like airplanes instead of on/off amperage spikes [21:41] for us here now, everyone went to canada or the carolinas [21:42] U-Neeks (i=555@201-67-83-120.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:42] Old_Fogie: so you are doing the whole low-voltage controls side if you are also doing fire controls [21:42] not a lot of companies do the fire part too [21:42] that's good to have it all under your umbrella [21:42] briareus, you should have seen them in the 80's. they had potentiometers on them, they weren't solid state. getting them 'started up' and 'commissioned' was a bitch. glad that's over now [21:42] cs_student (n=joe@ip70-161-210-129.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] briareus, we have to here. we get waves..like now it's healthcare..next year could be schools,, never know. [21:42] I bet! The VFDs i installed a year ago or so were EASY [21:43] Thinking of switching to slackware? Does slackware have a pretty good packaging system? [21:43] Old_Fogie: where is here? [21:43] buffalo [21:43] Old_Fogie: Phoenix [21:43] cs_student: it does not do automatic dependency resolution [21:43] cs_student, i think it's good, it doesnt get in your way. there is no dependency resolution if that's what you term 'good' [21:43] I was in Buffalo last summer, beutiful countryside, but man the town looked like it had its economic ass kicked [21:43] cs_student: if you dont like that, find something else, cause we think of that as a feature rather than an ommision [21:43] briareus, well they're busy out that way (or were two years ago) [21:44] briareus, the city here is part of the 'rust belt' [21:44] Old_Fogie: yeah I got offered my old job back--actually a better job at the same company, but I seriously cringe at being here outside another summer [21:44] Well in cases where there are lots of dependencies how do you guys go about installing them? [21:44] I am looking northward for work [21:44] briareus, chicago..detroit ..buffalo, all these cities were the industrial revolution in action years ago..but all the plants gone now..just rusty buildings. [21:45] yeah [21:45] briareus, what about vegas? we get calls to bid to assist engineers out there on their designs since their over loaded [21:45] cs_student: since slackware does conveiniently not package gnome it is not much of a problem [21:45] cs_student: gennerally i use slackbuilds.org only for 3rd party packages.. and they list them [21:46] cs_student: other than that (say if you need to run some propietary stuff) ldd is your frind [21:46] *freind [21:46] and 'bash scripts' too, a simple "test" for existince of a file is a good helper before installing. [21:46] "conveiniently not package gnome" what do you mean by not package gnome. [21:47] slackware does not have GNOME [21:47] does it use any desktop environment? [21:47] it has KDE, XFCE, Window maker, Fluxbox, blackbox etc [21:47] Old_Fogie: hmmm, Vegas [21:47] jw, why did they decide not to package gnome? [21:47] and it has a killer toolchain [21:47] briareus, if you're looking to go north, in my opinion carolinas thru philadelphia, and then up east to northern new jersey. that's where the action still is. [21:48] how much disk space would all the development packaes take up? [21:48] cs_student: dependency hell [21:48] cs_student: and recursive dependenceys en mass [21:48] briareus, basically, a 4-600 mile radius around DC and you'll always find work and be recession proof in engineering field [21:48] briareus, around Washington DC [21:48] cs_student: gnome is up to more than 250 packages for a reasonable desktop experience [21:49] old_fogie, the bermuda triangle is within that radius O.o [21:49] mordy, good point ;0 [21:49] :) [21:49] Old_Fogie: you are the third person to tell me to hit up DC in the last 72 hours [21:49] briareus: take the hint ;-) [21:49] briareus, it's _always_ been that way [21:49] it is because of all the govt contractors? [21:49] briareus, I suppose the politicians take care of their back yards [21:50] that crap makes my skin crawl [21:50] yeah, bastards [21:50] briareus, sooo many people [21:50] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:50] the east coast is always better for business [21:50] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@c-69-253-143-53.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] hmm [21:50] i better move [21:50] especially since it's so ugly, that's the main attraction [21:50] briareus, needs constant infrastructure work, colleges universities, etc [21:50] mordy: I dunno, the west coast is getting its ass kicked [21:50] Old_Fogie: ah, makes sense [21:51] Action: mordy lives in new york [21:51] briareus, take the richest industry, pharmaceutical...they're _all_ within 400 miles of DC. and when they buy something,..it's made of 'gold' (figure of speech,but you get my point). that money has a nice trickle down. [21:52] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@c-69-253-143-53.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:52] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [21:52] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl76-182.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:52] i live in california and this is not so cool right now [21:52] geez.. people are pushing HD torrents so big that i couldnt have them on my laptop if i wanted :P [21:52] briareus, in essence, the north east has always driven the rest of the country. new york city finances, rest of north east highly populated..etc etc [21:52] hello youtubes [21:52] oops, wrong channel [21:52] lol [21:53] straterr1 (n=straterr@headdesk.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] well, new york simply has the country's (And even many of the world's) main financial institutions [21:53] mrselfpwn: that is kind of nasty [21:54] Nick change: straterr1 -> straterra [21:54] heheh [21:54] mordy, yup. now tho, with this financial crisis, Wall Street is making soo much money. My state, NY has all it's 'eggs' in one basket..they (NY) lives off taxing Wall Street...that money's now gone..New York state's in for some really hard times [21:54] ehh..isn't [21:54] you DO pwn yourself quite a bit Mr :P [21:54] isnt making I mean [21:54] you watching my webcam lactose? [21:54] i mean lotec [21:55] old_fogie, yeah.. i just realized there's this really large land mass outside of new york city which is also coincidentally called "New York" [21:55] mrselfpwn: i did not know you had one. is is sexual? if so i cant watch [21:55] it's really interesting [21:55] mordy, heh [21:55] lol [21:56] althoguh i can usually tell where people are from. whois is a nice tool :P [21:56] yea mordy where am i? [21:57] I just ask, its' easier [21:57] meh, i don't really take interest in knowing where people are, but when someone logs in an out a few times, you kinda remember [21:57] lotec, i don't know :P - but i didn't check yet [21:57] Action: lotec is in mordy back yard pissing on his plants [21:58] well it's -20 wind chill, and 4' of snow on the ground...so believe me you don't want to be where I am [21:58] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:58] it's pretty cold here too :P [21:58] Action: mordy misses jerusalem [21:58] mordy: no crap my pee is freezing [21:58] i wouldnt want to be in jerusalem these days... [21:58] damn fogie, that is COLD [21:59] macavity, jerusalem is actually pretty safe [21:59] well, except for the occasional terrorist on a bulldozer [21:59] just depends on witch side yoru on [21:59] its not the saftey i am concerned about [21:59] i was in east jerusalem, in university [21:59] It's supposed to get down in the teens here tonight [22:00] macavity, are you afraid of jerusalem syndrome then? [22:00] Action: lotec goes to mrselfpwn to piss on his plants [22:00] its probably more what the locals would do to me... is i have this mental disability that prohibits me from keeping my mouth shut, even when all kinds of better judgement mandates it [22:00] macavity, it's ok. all israelis have that condition [22:00] beat you to it lotec [22:00] yes.. but they probably say something different from what i do :P [22:00] mrselfpwn: your piss on your own plants? [22:01] mordy: yeah but israelis cant help sending bullets along with their words [22:01] I do. [22:01] the outdoor ones [22:01] mrselfpwn: dude that is fed up [22:01] nah, they enjoyit [22:01] lol [22:01] its good for them [22:01] briareus, they are doing a lot of talking huh? [22:01] that is what my webcam is based off of lotec [22:01] ok then ill one up yea. [22:01] briareus, almost everyone there has a gun though [22:02] Action: lotec does doodies in mrselfpwn yard [22:02] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] oO [22:02] now [22:02] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.28.182.0) joined ##slackware. [22:02] WooT WooT [22:02] that is a shooting offense there [22:02] huh? [22:02] Action: lotec runs away [22:02] lol [22:02] how comes my isp gives me ip adresses ending with 0 [22:02] heh, i think we should offer em a deal, give em an hour to agree and cease to our terms, if they say no, kick em all out and nuke the whole area to glass so no one can have it [22:02] in his ninja carb [22:02] _PgDn_ (n=vitruvia@20151048162.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:03] edman007, they have nukes too [22:03] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.83.154) joined ##slackware. [22:03] and they are not afraid to use it. the nukes were pretty much part of a suicidal policy, not really a military deterrent, but something to be part of the collective memory of history [22:04] mordy, yea, but they don't have the type of intercontinental nukes that we have, either way the UN could get together something that wouldn't have a problem winning [22:04] straterra (n=straterr@headdesk.net) left irc: "Reconnecting" [22:04] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] edman007, they can reach most of asia and europe, and that's enouh [22:05] and possibly american too. there's no international organization watching over israel's nukes because israel isn't part of the NPT [22:06] mordy, fine, but i think the UN should make that whole area completely uninhabitable [22:06] i don't really care how, then nobody will have anything to fight for [22:06] edman007, i owe my life to israel, so i don't think it's really that evil [22:07] mordy, i think its a bunch of people that need to learn to deal with others [22:07] edman007, it's a cultural battle, and you need to understand that death isn't viewed so gravely in the east as it is in the west [22:07] I'm still hoping in my lifetime that area will come to terms, it's not looking good tho. [22:07] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:07] Israel got tired of hamas shooting missiles in to their back yard and decided its time to kick some ass, i dont blame Israel, i would be wanting to kick ass too if someone was shooting missiles in to my back yard [22:07] it's pretty much the christian view of death which makes it seem like something so evil and grave. it's really sourced in greek culture which made a really huge fuss about death [22:08] Pig_Pen, makes sense to me [22:08] both people care more about their collective fate than their individual ones, they aren't really individualistic societies [22:08] still wish they knock it off over there tho already, this has been decades ow [22:08] now [22:09] old_fogie, there have been more and longer lasting conflicts in other parts of the world that have taken far more lives, it's only that israel gets a lot of attention for reasons both good and bad [22:09] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@d142-59-67-11.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Success [22:10] oh I ain't laying fault at Israel. However it's over 50 years now, and that whole are is a stinking cancer on the world's ass. [22:11] s/area [22:11] the most annoying thing about it is that pease between jews and muslims is a prequisite for peace between that region and the rest of the world... [22:11] old_fogie, it's provided a lot to the world too though [22:11] israel and its technology, the arab lands and their oil [22:11] mordy, no doubt. [22:11] still a cancer tho [22:11] mordy, IMHO in that area they should be done with fighting for land, wars shouldn't be fought for land, that should be behind us [22:12] it's not only about land, it's also a cultural struggle [22:12] it IS about land [22:12] and it's not only a territorial struggle, the cultural identity of both people are dependent on that piece of land [22:12] macavity, sure is [22:12] two major religions holding claim to the same city [22:12] mordy, yea, two cultures saying they own the same spot, so they both fight for the spot [22:13] yea like that time I fought for a cabbage patch kid [22:13] edma007, it's not only about de facto or even de jure ownership of the land [22:13] was only one left [22:13] Israel gets a lot of bad press from the liberal left, "oh those poor palestinians" after decades of suiscide bombers blowing up busses, restaurants, shopping malls and anything else Israeli owned and nothing is said, but when Israel decides to take action who do they make look like the bad guys [22:13] Pig_Pen, your right in that regard. Here the news treas Israel as if their bringing a bazooka to a knife fight [22:13] the danish media is uaually good at painting both parties as idiots :P [22:14] Pig_Pen, they gie them the 'tisk' tisk' for actually using their guns. [22:14] there is also the element in each culture which deems the land as sacred and realizes a special religous affinity to the land/people. you don't understand that the muslims generally deny that israel was even a jewish holy land, and that jews generally deny the existence of a distinct palestinian culture [22:14] mordy, agreed, but the rest of the World wants to move on tho [22:14] it's over 50 years since it's become a nation [22:15] the thing that gets me is both parties think it is sacred land but they both blow the F--king shit out of it [22:15] mordy, certainly you can see the worlds frustration that this war never ends [22:15] wergles__ (n=wergles@189.4.123.173) joined ##slackware. [22:15] old_fogie, i think it's more propagated by various media outlets and governments with different agendas [22:15] mordy, that doesnt mean that people are against one side and more for the other..there's poeple like me who say "come on alrady...let's move on now can't we' [22:15] its over 50 years since we made the biggest mistake ever.. by trying to rectify a maniac's doings [22:15] i love the jews. if i was still 18 i would go over there and join there army [22:16] lotec, you can take my spot :P [22:16] mordy: if i could i would in a heart beat, trust me [22:16] mordy, yeah you have to be in military there til' what age again? [22:16] i'm required to do 3 years military service there officially :P [22:16] well, if you join at 18 it's 2 years, if you join at 20, 3 years [22:16] so, to rectify one mistake we created another one that can ultimately cost as many lives as the first one... [22:16] I like that policy, I think? and not sure Obama wants that too, iirc [22:17] i am an atheist, i look at that situation pragmatically, http://imagebin.org/36034 [22:17] we all need one of these http://biotech-geek.com/blog2/2008/12/06/nvidia-teslaworlds-first-personal-supercomputer/ [22:17] well, one of the ideas of israel was to avoid an impending holocaust; the idea was not conceived in the 1940's [22:17] Pig_Pen you forget the durka durka. part [22:18] my greatgrandparents immigrated to israel as zionists in the 19th century [22:18] my greatgrandparents got a stinken job...in a stinken city and worked their butts off and didn't kill each other [22:19] and the arab world's conflict with the west is related to the conflict with israel, but not directly [22:19] mordy, oh it's a huge part of it. [22:19] there is a lot of anticolonialist legacy left behind from the 1940's [22:19] and the notion of east vs. west was edified before israel was estalished as a state [22:19] Simulator (n=AlCapone@60.51.74.45) joined ##slackware. [22:20] mordy, dont let anyone kid you. israel is only democracy there. the holy land. US is still a majority Christian culture by all polling data, you can think of. [22:20] to anyone that believes in god i have news for you, when you die its "lights out" "game over" you get buried in the ground forever & ever and you never get out again, not even on weekends, (live is a temporary intermission between two eternal non-existences [22:20] Pig_Pen, proof or it doesn't exist :) [22:20] israel is a perfect democracy which results in an incompetent government [22:20] lol [22:20] mordy, yes welcome to democracy [22:20] you have like 6 major parties all fighting and can never come to any decision [22:21] not to mention a judiciary which manages to piss everyone off [22:21] mordy, that's becuase there's too many wishy washy meet half way people :) [22:21] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:21] initially israel was actually a socialist state [22:21] Pig_Pen Sweet the big Ass rm -rf / [22:21] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:21] there is no government more efficient than a well run dictatorship, but nobody wants that [22:21] that is because we stopped questioning whatever democracy is the right thing... [22:22] macavity, when the people stop questioning the gov't and hold them accountable..it's lights out [22:22] yup [22:22] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:22] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Denmark has very high voting participation... and its been lights out here for 8 years [22:23] lol [22:23] israel has a very high voter turnout too [22:23] macavity: that is because you guys dont pay your light bills [22:23] not to mention a public which is probably the most politically aware in the world [22:23] ROTFL [22:23] lotec, hahah [22:24] because 52% of the voters though that the prime ministre was right when he said "the merchants can be trusted with decissions that impact us all" [22:24] .. he used other words for it.. but i said this would happen :P [22:24] *thought [22:24] hmm.. what's denmark's main export? [22:24] danishes? [22:25] knowhow [22:25] kierkegaard? [22:25] and dairy products [22:25] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl76-182.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [22:25] *Kirkegård [22:26] dairy knowhow == intelligent cows? [22:26] hey i have created ~/.bashrc that contains the following lines but upon logout and login my user's path is not updated: export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin [22:26] no, we sell lots of this "intelectual property" thingie in the medical sector + alternative energy solutions [22:26] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:26] nullboy : add the word echo at the beginning of that line [22:26] i belive we make the biggest ocean wind mills now adays [22:27] nullboy you could add those extra paths to /etc/profile [22:27] makes it systemwide [22:27] Pig_Pen: i don't want it system, i know [22:27] system wide* [22:28] nullboy : like i said, start from something simple, such as echo statement [22:29] adding echo to that didn't help [22:29] i never said it would 'help' [22:29] http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/blingbling/ [22:29] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [22:29] i ordered last night now my wife thinks i am an asshole [22:29] maybe add an extra line to log to a file what $PATH is beforehand? [22:30] but what it tells us is that it's not executing that line, so you know it's not an issue with your export syntax [22:30] mordy : it wouldn't matter at this point [22:30] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:30] nullboy : what does 'ls -l ~/.bashrc' show? [22:30] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:30] O.o [22:30] Simulator (n=AlCapone@60.51.74.45) left ##slackware. [22:30] hmm, damn. weather report calls for -1F low tonight [22:31] lol [22:31] -rwxr-xr-x 1 zzz yyy 34 2009-01-16 19:28 .bashrc* [22:32] nullboy : doh, i just realized something. you're using a login shell, rather than a non-login one [22:32] ssh [22:32] nullboy : mv ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_profile and try again. [22:32] ananke: thats only like -18C? [22:32] ah [22:32] Simulator (n=AlCapone@60.51.74.45) joined ##slackware. [22:32] macavity : 'only'? :) [22:32] Action: mordy bashes bash over ther head and produces a lot of ash [22:33] man you guys and this cold stuff. i am in florida it is suposed to be 90 here. it however is in the 30;s and i am freezing [22:33] lol [22:33] yup.. salt water of that temperature can cool a quat of beer from room temperatre to pleasant drinking temerature in about 4 minutes :P [22:33] and i'm still struggling to know how much disk space the development packages will take up [22:33] ... thats almos hot :P [22:33] any idea ? [22:33] ananke: thanks that was it [22:33] nullboy : cool [22:34] mordy: no clue at all [22:34] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.44) joined ##slackware. [22:34] i knwo slackpkg gives you the compressed and uncompressed size of an individual package, so why not of a packaged set? [22:34] mordy: i have a rule about slackware: full install, minus emacs and tetex ;-) [22:35] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving." [22:35] macavity, not with 4 GB disk space :| [22:35] speaking of weather http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [22:35] mordy: do you use KDE? [22:35] macavity: no [22:35] X barely even works here [22:35] O_O [22:36] macavity, the thing is that i want to install the development packages on a different disk, but i don't know if it's worthwhile to change all the installation paths just to accomplish that [22:36] sleepytime [22:36] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [22:36] err... let's put it this way, what packages would i need to compile a kernel? gcc? [22:36] it probably isnt [22:36] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-225.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:37] gcc and binutils at least [22:37] probably a lot more.. but you will get the error messages as you need them ;-) [22:37] ugh [22:37] lol [22:38] and dont try to locate these things out of their regular places unless you really know what you are doing [22:38] make is part of one of those? [22:38] no, gmake is a package of its own [22:38] yeah, i was guessing that if i download the package, edit the configuration scripts it would be all good [22:39] thats the one just called "make-x.y.z" [22:39] Simulator (n=AlCapone@60.51.74.45) left ##slackware. [22:39] LOL [22:40] no... if you want to know how to use an out-of-place toolchain i suggest you go read the CLFS book [22:40] lfs? linux from scratch? [22:40] .. and preferably actually follow it to a working system [22:40] yup [22:40] hmm.. that may be my next project [22:40] cross linux from scratch that is [22:40] i assume i'd learn a lot about how linux works too [22:40] it teaches you how to build a cross compiler [22:40] and whatr's that? :-/ [22:41] and THEN build a GNU/Linux system [22:41] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.248.156) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Anyone here run squirrelmail? [22:41] which package has dict? [22:41] if i wanted to make an install media for my RISC based computer on my Intel based on, i would need a cross compiler [22:41] ahh [22:42] so distcc is in a way a cross compiler too ig uess [22:42] however, if you want to "start clean" on you own distro, you do a cross compile too.. its just the same arch on both sides [22:42] no.. [22:42] distcc is a networked compiler wrapper [22:43] Action: Old_Fogie loves his distcc :) [22:43] while a cross compiler is a compiler that has many different libraries and sources for various architectures? [22:43] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:43] if you had a RISC based machine on in your distcc farm, that machine would have to use a cross compiler to help the others build software for your ARM machine :P [22:44] distcc rocks [22:44] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) joined ##slackware. [22:44] and ccache too, let's not forget the little brother :) [22:44] i was very seriously considering only allowing windows on a virtual machine on my home LAN so that the machines could run Slackware underneath all of that, mainly for fast compile times [22:44] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.125.97) left irc: Client Quit [22:45] no, a cross compiler is a copiler/toolchain set up so that it by default produces binaries for a given *other* arch.. in the exact same way as it would have done if it was a native compiler [22:45] TwinReverb, how fast of pc's are we talking for distcc ? I may have some input for you on that [22:46] observe that on slackware, if you dont specify anything, other than "gcc" you get i486-slackware-linux-gnu as the target [22:46] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] mordy: I dont think 'dict' comes with slackware. [22:46] Action: mordy misses dict [22:46] wergles__ (n=wergles@189.4.123.173) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:46] Old_Fogie, it doesn't matter now, my wife has the PC and the macbook, i'm here in south korea [22:46] oh heh [22:47] mordy: what is this dict? [22:47] bp{k} just a little program that acts as some kind of mini dictionary/wiki/encyclopedia [22:47] dict is a dick with a speech impediment... [22:47] BP{k}, wotchers! Hey what's with them virusses hitting your guys nuclear subs over there? Didn't you tell them about Slackware yet? [22:48] Old_Fogie: LOL. come on .. windows for warships is teh shit! [22:48] BP{k}, hahaha [22:48] WoW [22:48] LMAO!!!! [22:48] windows - nuclear version! [22:48] er WfW [22:48] macavity, no joke man..their nuclear subs..have virii on them [22:48] windows for warships is a fun game until it enters thermonuclear war game [22:48] i know.. everyting that has IE on it has that worm... [22:48] "would you like to play a game" [22:48] macavity, so all distcc servers need to have binutils installed for whatever target required? [22:49] BP{k}, hahah [22:49] BP{k}, yeah i picked the wormz game [22:49] ROTFL [22:49] i guess that wasn't really what it meant by 4) WORMS [22:49] Windows WE 2009 [22:49] BP{k}, I read that in the paper today..and just shook my head when reading it. [22:49] hehe [22:49] Old_Fogie: yeah, I was a bit dumbstruck when hearing about WfW [22:49] mordy: its a little more complicated than that... go read the CLFS book :P [22:49] yea amazing [22:49] windows defcon 3 edition [22:50] TwinReverb, oh btw did you post on SBo for a fix for libsndfile for sqlite a while back? If that was you thanks it helped me out this week. [22:50] can't have manslaughter without laughter [22:50] sbo mailing list [22:50] Old_Fogie, not sure, i forget [22:50] macavity, i'll read that thing later. but all i want to do is compile my 486 slackware kernel using distcc on an amd64 machine [22:50] ah ok tw [22:50] tab.. [22:50] TwinReverb, [22:50] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:51] mordy: if both run slackware, no worries [22:51] mordy: as i said... the native slackware compiler is i486-slackware-linux-gnu [22:51] macavity, they don't both run slackware [22:51] THEN DONT [22:51] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@d142-59-67-11.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] mordy, I believe,...and dont quote me.. you can do that in the kernels make file. ask thrice` or fred or edman007 when they get around, they run 64bit boxen, they probably know. [22:51] period [22:51] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] the server is a debian amd64 [22:52] yes [22:52] and it has other versions of everything, and nothing is set up the same [22:52] Action: TwinReverb prefers uspell over ispell [22:52] you will get a borken bzImage out of that [22:52] yeah don't do that..run slamd mordy [22:52] :( [22:53] you do *not* run distcc on different builds of gcc/binutils [22:53] macavity, -m32 [22:53] err mordy [22:54] that wont help mismatching symbols and other nasties [22:54] macavity, well they "claim" you can..but I've yet to have it work properly. I can't even distcc between slackware versions tho, I hve no idea what the dev of distcc is smoking when he says you can in the man page [22:54] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-ff6b300fdb3310cb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:54] add that to your CFLAGS and it does 32-bit stuff (if GCC is compiled to support it), of course you also need the 32-bit libs to link against as well [22:54] Windows for Warships edition. "We put the fun back in funeral" [22:54] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@121.232.9.69) joined ##slackware. [22:55] edman007, i add -m32 in the server or in the host? [22:55] http://webaugur.com/bibliotheca/field_stock/os-airlines.html [22:55] "We put the fun back in malfunction." [22:55] Old_Fogie: such a statement would requrie a PhD in compilers.. and a carefull study of each and every changelog of gcc+freinds [22:55] "We put the fun back in nonrefundable." [22:55] macavity, oh this manpage is diff now [22:55] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [22:56] macavity, I'm reading it now it even took out the 'mingw' compiler comment from the man page [22:56] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S01060016b62c5431.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] Old_Fogie: i guess he got tired of all the blisters :P [22:56] macavity, no doubt. [22:56] or 6th degree burns :P [22:56] mordy, when building on a 64-bit computer, you add -m32 to build 32-bit stuff [22:56] macavity, becuase I had tried distcc between slack to debian, bsd, slack and it was a mess [22:57] that is a given [22:57] the code says "#include " [22:57] edman007, but i'll be giving the command from an x86 computer [22:57] ok.. ill go include my *****BSD***** ioctl here... :P [22:58] I really don't believe this tho: [22:58] distcc sends the complete preprocessed source code and compiler arguments across the network for each [22:58] job, so the machines do not need to share a filesystem, have the same headers or libraries installed, [22:58] Channel flood from Old_Fogie -- kicking [22:58] or have synchronized clocks. [22:58] Old_Fogie kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:58] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:58] i'm having a hard time getting the right sync ranges for my monitor from google or the manufacturer .... any ideas ? [22:58] fail [22:58] mordy, oh, your trying to do it with distcc? i would compile a separate version of gcc for that (32-bit only), because you need to have the same version of gcc for all [22:58] mordy: stop fishing for a spoon fed solution... go read about compilers and arches instead ;-) [22:59] # Max Sync Rate (V x H) 180 Hz x 110 KHz i get the max but not the min [22:59] Old_Fogie: oh well.. in that case it is just all the mess that arises when they change how functions are named in the binary etc etc [23:00] Old_Fogie: not that it is much of a biggie.. it juse refuses to link :P [23:00] highly off topic, if no one wants to answer ok: anyone have a nice solution for remote control win xp home edition, since it lacks rdesktop? [23:00] hmm.. there's no gmake package [23:00] it's "make" [23:00] macavity, yea that's what I got alot of here when I tried it [23:00] Old_Fogie: vnc? [23:01] mordy: i already told you that gmake is the one just labled "make" [23:01] Tranny (i=sluttySu@gateway/tor/x-9de230f3566d43a4) joined ##slackware. [23:01] i guess my monitor will burn up soon, i'll be on a 20yr old 15" ... [23:01] hackedhead, ok I'll check into it thanks [23:01] screen is flickering [23:01] ahh, i see [23:01] a-firefox/build-logs$ grep gmake configure-mozilla-firefox.log [23:01] checking for gmake... /usr/bin/gmake [23:01] mordy: we have cmake, pmake, imake and gmake [23:02] ake [23:02] file /usr/bin/gmake [23:02] /usr/bin/gmake: symbolic link to `make' [23:02] mordy: but gmake is a POSIX make implementation, so it just constitutes "a make" [23:02] found make :D [23:02] so if you're missing a gmake symlink...many times you'll have bad builds and scratch your head [23:02] whereas c/p/i-make has its own drug abuse problems :P [23:03] .... [23:03] :P [23:03] macavity, heh [23:03] imake is actually pretty cool [23:03] old fogie: hopefully i shouldn't have that problem lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-01-16 23:01 /usr/bin/gmake -> make [23:03] Action: fred slaps macavity for comparing cmake and imake to make [23:03] I've heard that before [23:03] THEY DO DIFFERENT THINGS [23:03] ahhh [23:04] [ in bed ] :) [23:04] lol [23:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:04] fred: what are you doing up anyway? [23:04] I rhought you were at a LAN party? [23:05] indeed. [23:05] it's only 4am [23:05] haha [23:05] doing updates I'm guessing? [23:05] I have to chuckle tho, some of the gnome builds...say something to the effect of "you're using autotools...autotools is depracated..you should use waf'; what a pain in the butt that system is. [23:05] so i'll want the 'multiarch-binutils' on my server? i can't find anything for "86" except "win32" [23:06] Old_Fogie: it is not because Patrick is a clueless dork that he gave up on gnome.... [23:06] xmms2 uses waf, it's a joke [23:06] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] mordy: if your server runs debian you probably want to ask them what to install to produce a transferable bzImage with the corespoinding modules [23:07] macavity, oh I dont blame him for sure. I've said it before, I dont think it's hard to build gnome it's easy honestly. It's not packaging that's hard, he could do that. the problem with gnome is following their development for not the next version, and then tailor *all* of your system for that...and then what do you know..the next day they change it. It's an accounting nightmare imo. [23:08] their develepment process is a cluster-$%@$ [23:08] their what? [23:08] the way they build their next version of gnome [23:08] ahh [23:08] .... its actually built? [23:08] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-17e00357ac4244e3) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:09] no, they cross their fingers and hope it compiles [23:09] for example, they'll make you one day.. if you're building the next version..put in 'unstable' gtk ..that has changed api/abi...now how can they expect distro's to do that (outside of the screwy ubunut) [23:09] Action: fred slaps Dominian [23:09] geez... i though it was just some random script at Novel that read the patent database for something to implemet on behalf of M$, and then spat out diffs untill someting compiled clean [23:09] so now, you're not just rebuilding gtk, and gnome...but all the other stuff for your distro [23:09] fred: I was asking a serious question.. not being annoying.. or at least not trying to be annoying [23:09] hey, isnt there a checkinstall-like program for slackware? [23:10] ... *sigh* [23:10] Action: Dominian slaps fred [23:10] stop that [23:10] and it goes on and on...their dev branch isn't just "new" for gnome..they implement "new" for FLOSS software accross the board..then tomorrow say "oops..that was wrong..we're going back..then next week oh let's go bleeding edge again" [23:10] that sigh was not at you Dominian [23:10] oh [23:10] Cann0n: yes, but recent versions of checkinstall have been unreliable [23:10] ok [23:10] Cann0n: but i *think* you can find it in /extra [23:11] checkinstall is always unreliable [23:11] yeah, i loaned my dvd out. ill check the ftp [23:11] NEVER loan your DVD.. are you mad? [23:11] i know i know [23:11] hehe [23:11] lol [23:11] does the revision number? (e.g. 4.2.4-?) matter? in gcc [23:11] but i know where he lives [23:11] YES [23:11] macavity, mono don't get me started on that heh. the whole MS thing aside..mono in gnome is really a library that is redundant to an already existeing gnome library. so you have *two* libs that do the same thing..one in gtk..and one in mono now. by adding mono, in essence your packages double. [23:12] hba (n=hba@189.188.139.75) joined ##slackware. [23:12] Old_Fogie: you still running Gnome/ [23:12] Old_Fogie: and so does the patents... mission accomplished [23:12] Dominian, build it without mono, and it's getting way harder [23:12] heh [23:12] I build without mono really just becuase it's useless to me [23:13] Old_Fogie: i would not be the least bit suprised if RMS one day kicked GNOME out and invited XFCE in :P [23:13] I don't need 'glitz' or tomboy, or banshee. [23:13] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] macavity, the goal of mono in gnome is actually to get rid of gtk entirely [23:13] macavity, so it can run in windows [23:13] >_< [23:13] that is SO stupid... [23:14] we do NOT need our apps on Windows [23:14] that's the goal, why mono is slowly but surely being a 'double' lib now for gtk..and in time..you'll see the gtk lib out..and only the mono lib there. that's what miguel has stated over and over [23:14] *our*? [23:14] we need killer must have non-portable apps on POSIX [23:14] hehe, hi all :) [23:14] hi hba :-) [23:15] yes, *our*... as my occational pathces is in there too [23:15] macavity: we already have wine, all the killer-app from windows, but without viruses and things like that ;) [23:15] macavity, re: RMS ; if Novell stops kicking in money to FSF you'll see it... follow the money trail ...actions become clearer [23:15] trust me.. the viruses too [23:15] ive seen it [23:15] speaking of viruses, the admin PC was hit with the worm-of-the-day for win32 [23:16] cs_student (n=joe@ip70-161-210-129.hr.hr.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:16] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] macavity: really? i still have not seen that.. fud? [23:16] www.secunia.org ? [23:17] Old_Fogie: i am fairly certain that RMS is impeckable in that respect.. if, let say, novel gets cought willfully implementing stuff as to give M$ more patant power over gnome, he wont hessitate a seccond.. no matter how much dole they throw [23:17] hba: do you install new probrams as root in wine? [23:17] in my school theres a f*cking virus, venom.. damn its screwing every windows :P [23:17] macavity, in a way, I wish they'd "have it out" now, and let the community move on. [23:18] macavity: wine as root? wtf? [23:18] Action: mordy downloads gcc [23:18] hba: so.. you have windows binaries who are rwx-rx-r hba:users in your home dir? [23:19] hba: i double dare you to install IE on that.... [23:19] hba, i have no sympathy for a network admin who can't do their job [23:20] TwinReverb: when the british subs gets hit.... lets just say that the network admin has his day cut out for him :P [23:20] and if i am pursuing their job, i might make their failures readily apparent if it suites me. not because i want to squash them, but because security is extremely important, at least to me. [23:20] haha, that question reminds me the other one like, do you execute SlackBuilds as root in your system?(about fakeroot and the "insecurity" in using su) :P [23:20] macavity, they put they fun back in malfunction i guess :D [23:20] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:20] TwinReverb: and still.. no matter how good the admin, he still have to work with utter crap [23:20] good thing nukes by their very nature tend to have more safeties and overrides than an ISU90 full of padlocks [23:20] hba: you do see my point dont you? [23:21] macavity, true, in which case, if i was the admin, i'd be screaming at the top of my lungs "install linux" :D [23:21] hba: no-one wants to run wine as root.. not even during the installation process of new programs [23:21] hba: then... having user writable exacutables in wine is.. well.. just what makes windows so insecure [23:22] lol [23:23] TwinReverb: to which management answers "now dont you get technical with me... buisness as usual you incompetnent dick" [23:23] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:24] macavity: haha, yeah but you can see wine as a sandbox...just the user is screwed ;) [23:25] in this house there are four machines and four users.. each has his own machine [23:25] so.. if the user is screwed, that does to all intents and purposes mean that the machine was screwed [23:26] I don't know about others, but my data is in my home is important :) [23:26] macavity, hehe [23:26] windows is the epitome of a bandaid solution [23:26] speaking of wine..... im thursty [23:26] yes.. screw whats on / [23:26] Patrick gives me that for keeps :P [23:26] linux almost gives us too much capabilities though [23:27] im still missing some.. [23:27] i can't count how many times i forgot to specify /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda and hosed my partitions using cfdisk [23:27] macavity, agreedd [23:27] but of course that's my fault, not linux's :D [23:27] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.183.65) joined ##slackware. [23:27] i utterly fail to see what the kernels options and paramaters has to do with the kernel... [23:27] TwinReverb: remember.. always your fault. [23:28] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:28] eeek [23:28] TwinReverb, sucks when you smoke too much weed and have bad memory [23:28] s the first kernel with cfdisk :P [23:28] sweet now my monitor is mounted. [23:28] does distcc have a configuration file in slackware? or does it rely entirely on variables? [23:28] just need to do some clean up work [23:28] Cann0n: thats not true.. my experince say so :) [23:29] your monitor is mounted? it has a filesystem? [23:29] mordy, my pc is toast at the moment. google 'alphageek'' and 'slackware' for info on that [23:29] lol [23:29] ive been using slackware since 2000 ish [23:29] lotec: like `mount /dev/screen /mnt/screen`? haha :) [23:29] and im stupid [23:29] mordy: see the FILES section of distcc(1) [23:29] hba: I'll bet that is what that screen command ddoes all automagically ;) [23:30] macavity, i expect an /etc/distcc file to be present, but it's not [23:30] hba: no like drill /mount/monitor/on/wall /dev/screws [23:30] Action: slackmagic burps [23:30] BP{k}: ohhh.. yeah screen(1) [23:30] mordy: that might be a clue to you that a text editor is a nice thing to have.... [23:31] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.28.182.0) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:31] macavity: i'm just used to having packages install a default configuration file. i guess slackware doesn't do that by intent? [23:31] mordy: mayeb you need to create it.. search in distcc' manpage for somethin about it. [23:31] distcc.conf (or what its name is supposed to be) can inherently not have any sane defaults [23:32] _PgDn_ (n=vitruvia@20151048162.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [23:32] macavity: true [23:32] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:32] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] so i guess cd /etc && mkdir distcc && cd distcc && vim hosts? [23:33] and i guess you should read that again.. [23:33] yes [23:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:34] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [23:34] oh man... its half past five in the morning [23:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-16-207-247.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] i better get to sleep [23:34] later gang! 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[23:39] lotec: haha [23:40] I've decided that Tempur-pedic mattresses don't make good sites for fart mines either. [23:40] ROTFL [23:40] Something about that foam makes them resistant. [23:40] rworkman: they do hold the smell in. Kind of like an A-bomb site is dead for 10 years [23:41] rworkman: I have that image of you burned into my mind now...............aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhh [23:41] lotec: right. I wonder if it will accidentally be pushed back out one day. You know, like, the "bow-chick-a-wow-wow" music is on, and then BOOM. [23:42] and my wife passes out... [23:42] lol [23:42] rworkman: hahahahahhahahahah [23:42] and she wakes up from the coma 9 months later listening to christmas music [23:42] i want to try some of Pats home brewed beer. [23:42] hitest: you love me! ;-) [23:42] hmm... why does slackpkg freeze when running from a chroot with proc mounted from host? [23:42] LOL [23:43] Cann0n: me too, and I plan to do so someday :) [23:43] mordy: no idea, but I've also noticed it. [23:43] mordy: you can disable the dialog interface and it's fine though. [23:43] rworkman, whew; i thought i was doing somehting stupid [23:44] mordy: you sitting naked on a plastic dino again????? [23:44] lotec lol [23:44] i want to go on a linux pilgrimage... even though im stupid, ive been using it long enough, i should be a guru... but im not. just a stupid. [23:45] is there a quick way to disable dialog? [23:45] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-b1d5ad9d784eca99) joined ##slackware. [23:45] i can think of making dialog non executable or editing the slackpkkg script; neither of whih i'd really like to do [23:45] I found another nice site today: https://calomel.org/ [23:45] mordy: slackpkg.conf [23:45] oh [23:48] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:49] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-b1d5ad9d784eca99) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:49] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-9365cc9091645c2d) joined ##slackware. [23:50] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:50] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:51] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] i'm trying to compile geoip to test how distcc works, but it needs automake 1.4 [23:52] hba Cann0n, haha [23:52] rworkman: nice site.. [23:53] yeah im looking at it too... i wish that chicks pic wasnt so big... [23:53] :) [23:54] huh? [23:54] oh [23:54] hamburgled (n=harls@c-98-204-57-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] nice site though... really it is. [23:55] i already found some info useful [23:55] There's not much there beyond the basics of stuff, but for people needing a basic "get started" on a wide variety of stuff (or maybe just one of the things he has), it's a good site [23:55] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [23:56] yeah [23:56] just knowing a direction is all some folks need [23:56] Action: Old_Fogie puts on the tin foil hat and googles, and asks why is it "https" [23:56] i think the picture is also stretched [23:56] they probably use DNS there too.. [23:56] http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/35a796d8/5e08eed6 [23:58] is memtest86 worth getting? i used to use it BITD but its out of date now [23:58] ROTFL [23:58] I got old ram chips, works here :) [23:58] Cann0n, its worth the blank CD [23:58] man that link is hillarious nullboy [23:58] lol [23:58] Action: Old_Fogie has it part of lilo for Slack [23:58] i was gonna put it in my lilo.conf [23:59] that was actually a joke ad in maximumpc years back [23:59] yeah thats a cool pic [23:59] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Sat Jan 17 2009