[00:00] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:00] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:00] sorressean: ships with speakup.s kernel and emacspeak too. very accessible. [00:01] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:01] sorressean: braille displays are a PITA to maintain [00:01] sorressean: speakup is much easier [00:02] I'd love to have a braille display [00:02] I like speakup, but a braille display would make coding so much cooler [00:02] sorressean: yeah, i bet you'd love to replace it too [00:02] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [00:02] eh? [00:02] sorressean: those things rarely last a year [00:03] um [00:03] no, they actually last longer. [00:03] sorressean: with proper maintenance [00:03] just like anything else [00:03] sorressean: i've seen ones that were simply used... [00:04] they go out faster than a $3 mouse [00:04] lol. whatever. [00:04] sorressean: are you blind? [00:04] Action: sorressean nods [00:04] ah. [00:05] where do you live? I believe in the US and/or some states, they have assistance for braille devices [00:05] ugh. this "marketing coordinator" guy is annoying. should I bother refuting his email or just ignore it? [00:05] I'm in the US. I can get VOC Rehab assistance for college, which would be nice. a decent display is $1200 and that's on the lower end. [00:06] he tells me that his business isn't to offend people but he spams my inbox with his crap [00:06] but they don't always buy you what you request. :p [00:06] how much of a $3 mouse do you suppose is toxic waste or at least lead [00:06] skywise: depends: as of 2 years ago they were supposed to switch away from lead [00:06] but that depends on if they were made in china or not [00:06] to cadmium? [00:06] sorressean: well, if you can get one free, that would be best [00:07] displays really aren't that bad. you need to clean them, but they don't go out that fast. there are people that have had theirs for years. [00:08] don't think it's cadmium [00:08] you know, moving away from lead-based solder is a big mistake [00:08] so those $3 mice don't glow from leds but cherenkov radiation [00:08] unfortunately, lead is poisonous and not everyone properly disposes of their products [00:10] lead is also shiny and sweet tasting, thats why its so popular with kids [00:10] antimony sounds familiar [00:11] roman high-class used to drink "sugar of lead" - sweetened drinks that were made in lead-lined or solid lead vats. the lead leached into the drinks and was a leading cause of insanity in roman ruling class [00:11] sure did [00:11] lead+antimony balls are used in ball mills to process powder [00:11] there was a noticible impact from when they used lead solder in their pipes [00:12] boot_ (n=ircap@186.122.248.30) joined ##slackware. [00:12] the lead solder i advocate is electroncs solder [00:12] 60/40 or 63/37? [00:12] i understand using brass solder on plumbing [00:12] at penn state we had to stop feeding the squirrels because they'd develop a sweet tooth and start licking statues and die [00:13] alisonken1home: i stick to 60-40 [00:13] ah [00:14] "Microsoft Names Miguel de Icaza one of its Most Valuable Professionals" [00:15] they must be trying to ensure no one else will hire him [00:15] sorressean: i just set up an emacspeak slackware system for my mom. check out http://www.thebadapples.info for a podcast episode on the subject in a few days. [00:16] notKlaatu: cool cool, I'll givve it a listen. I've considered getting that running on slack, if I stick with this distro. [00:16] skywise: one can hope [00:16] boot_ (n=ircap@186.122.248.30) left irc: Client Quit [00:17] sorressean: slack makes it quite easy. i was very pleased. the only trick is eflite, but i've submitted a slackbuild for that and hopefully it will be easy too soon. [00:17] eww. flite? [00:17] sorressean: yeah. [00:17] why not espeak? flite sounds well... horrible is the best word. [00:17] sorressean: well, flite AND eflite. [00:17] Action: sorressean hasn't heard of eflite. I just build everything to use espeak [00:17] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] sorressean: well then you can probably use espeak. let me know if you get that working. [00:18] Action: sorressean will do. it sounds cleaner, I think [00:18] i just couldn't get emacspeak to talk to it. [00:18] o. that could be a bit rough. even if I have a program running between to translate though, that shouldn't be bad [00:19] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [00:19] sorressean: i personally hope you do...only slack and debian offer base installs that aren't chock full of X apps but lacking in console apps [00:19] Action: sorressean nods. once I get a gcc package or compilers going, I'll be set. [00:19] yeah.. i just, well, couldn't get a server to bridge emacspeak and espeak. only speech server i could find that was current and compilable was eflite, meaning i had to use flite for speech synthesizer. [00:19] where is the firefox cache is saved in Slackware? [00:20] Action: sorressean nods. I'm willing to write one if I have to to keep from using flite. [00:20] sorressean: i'm kinda hoping someone ports festival voices to flite; apparently it's possible to do. [00:20] just way out of my league [00:20] lechiffre: same place as any other linux distro [00:20] I'd love to see a current version of eloquence as a *nix synth. I'd be in love [00:20] lechiffre: same as other distros: ~/.firefox somewhere [00:21] nyRednek and where that would be? I am new to linux [00:21] lechiffre: in a hidden directory, .firefox under your home directory [00:21] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:22] use ls -a to see all the hidden dirs (those preceeded with a '.' [00:22] lechiffre: cd /home/lechiffre/.mozilla/firefox [00:22] notDlaatu: it's not in ~/.firefox ? [00:22] Thanks all. :) [00:22] hrm. do the cds have packages on them? [00:22] might be easier to just wget the iso and mount that and pull the package out of there. [00:22] ok - ~/.firefox only has a plugins directory [00:23] alisonken1home there is no .firefox in home only .mozilla is here. [00:23] sorrensean: try the dvd - the cd format takes 3 cd's for the packages and another 3 cd's for the source [00:23] lechiffre: it's under that [00:24] lechiffre - as notKlaatu pointed out - try ~/mozilla/firefox directory [00:24] Action: sorressean winces. ok then. shouldn't be to hard to wget. just slightly painfull. [00:24] sorry - ~/.mozilla/firefox [00:24] thanks guys. [00:24] sorressean: which package are you looking for? or are you looking for multiple packages? [00:24] sorressean: bittorrent? [00:24] sorressean: alternative is to use slackpkg to grab official packages [00:25] I'm trying to find the packages containing gcc/make and that so I can get compilers going and compile screen and my other packages. I'm lost and lonely without my screen. :p [00:25] sorressean: wahat alisonken1home said [00:25] it's going to take more than gcc/make - you also need the libs for it [00:25] I don't have slackpkg. :( [00:25] sorressean: screen is an official package [00:25] sorressean: so is slackpkg [00:26] sorressean: which version of slackware are you running? [00:26] 12.2 [00:26] sorressean: full install? [00:26] slackpkg should already be in /sbin [00:26] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] it isn't, though. [00:27] sorressean: i'd use pkgtool from an extracted dvd iso [00:27] ok - then grab slackpkg first, then you can go from there [00:27] I checked that first to see if I could find it [00:27] kk. I'll go search for that first then [00:28] Nick change: init[1] -> buffer [00:28] it's in the slackware/ap directory [00:29] Action: sorressean nods. I don't have a cd, so I'm digging on google [00:30] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackare-12.2/slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1.tgz [00:30] sorressean: lnik for you [00:31] link [00:31] lol. thanks. I seen a copy on sf, but it's probably best to grab that one. thanks [00:31] that's the official package [00:32] right of the mirror that I rsync and create my local dvd iso [00:32] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [00:32] sorry for all the questions. I'm used to debian, thought slack might be a good change. :p [00:33] adamk (n=user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:33] slack is always a good change [00:33] although now it's at 13.0 with an official 64-bit port as well [00:33] yeah, I'm going to have to learn how to do the image thing and make linode a better slackware [00:33] Nick change: buffer -> init[1] [00:34] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [00:34] imaging is rather easy - I have a script that rsync's from tds.net and creates dvd iso's when there's a change [00:35] Action: sorressean nods [00:36] in my case it's because I'm setting up a slackware mirror at the office and hope to add it to the list of mirrors on the get-slack page [00:37] alisonken1home: you might also want to give the link to alphageek he maintains a mirror list on his site as well [00:37] Action: sorressean pondres [00:37] this extracts a /etc /var and that dir to my cwd. I ugess I need to make it extract to /. [00:37] BP{k}: may have to remind me later when I get the site setup [00:38] sorressean: installpkg [00:38] sorressean: installpkg slackpkg*.tgz [00:38] o. thanks. :( [00:38] by using installpkg on slackware packages, it keeps your /var/log/packages database up to date [00:39] same goes for removepkg when you don't want a package any more [00:39] BP{k}: where's alphageeks page? [00:39] so I should make my compiled binaries and that packages, too and then install? [00:40] sorressean: actually, the better idea is to create a slackbuild, which in turn creates a package from sources [00:40] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:40] cool cool. [00:41] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] I believe patrick uses slackbuilds for his source package creations and slackbuilds.org is the unnoficial official 3rd party repository of slackbuilds [00:42] in this packages list it says people have directories of the packages. is that what you were talking about rsyncing? [00:42] if you go through the source directory of a slackware disk, you'll see all packages have a slackbuild [00:42] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [00:43] rsync is used to make a copy (with original time stamps) of another directory - I use rsync in my script to make my repository the same as tds.net [00:43] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158132121.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:44] so my repository is an exact duplicate of tds.net repository - which is a duplicate of the original slackware repository which is a duplicate of what you get when you buy the cd/dvd from the slackware store [00:44] Action: sorressean nods [00:45] slackpkg is a script like pkgtool that checks a remote repository, then allows you to install a package from the remote repository without having to download a full directory tree [00:45] similar to aptitude without the dependency checks [00:45] and for official slackware repository only [00:46] awesome. yeah, apt tends to download to much. :( [00:47] um, what's a "txz?" still a package? or a gzipped txt [00:47] then tell apt not to download so much [00:47] .txz is a slackware package (lzma) [00:47] or should be [00:48] cool. wasn't sure what that was. I need wihch to use slackpkg [00:48] version 12.2 switched from gzip to lzma compression - to distinguish them the tar file was renamed to txz [00:48] (.tar.gz sometimes is abbreviated .tgz so technically .tar.lzma could be .txz) [00:48] slackpkg will use either one - doesn't matter it knows the difference [00:49] this is almost like good ol' fedora. package hunting and all. :p [00:49] o.O [00:49] if you want a dependency-like slackware alternative, you can create a tag file for each package that includes the dependent files as well [00:50] naw, I was only joking. things will be easier after I get slackpkg installed. I just remember the endless package hunting when I was managing a fedora server [00:50] it can still be a hunt if you're looking at 3rd party apps [00:50] but slackbuilds.org helps to ease the hunt [00:50] Action: sorressean nods [00:51] installpkg doesn't recognize txz? :( [00:51] yes it does [00:51] as long as you used the 12.2 release, txz and tgz are both recognized by the package manaager scripts [00:52] root@MountainDew:~# installpkg which-2.20-i486-1.txz [00:52] Cannot install which-2.20-i486-1.txz: package does not end in .tgz [00:52] old version of slackware? [00:52] it's 12.2. [00:53] but this vps has mangled everything else, that wouldn't surprise me [00:53] alisonken1home: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml [00:53] sorrenssean: ls -l /var/log/packages/pkgtools* [00:54] lots of dirs. what am I looking for? [00:55] that command should only return one file [00:55] o. I screwed up. [00:55] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1373 2009-04-04 19:30 /var/log/packages/pkgtools-12.1.0-noarch-7 [00:55] that's whack. [00:55] ok - you're running pkgtools from 12.1 [00:55] that's why [00:55] Action: sorressean nods [00:56] I can submit a support ticket and see if these people have a better non-broken version of slack. [00:57] hah [00:57] which webhost? [00:57] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:57] linode. it's a vps. [00:57] ah [00:57] you mentioned linode before - I've heard of them but haven't looked at them [00:58] it's really cool because I don't have to download the dvd to play with something new, and I don't have to try to make speakup work. [00:58] their support/service is amazing. [00:58] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-74-111-197-27.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [00:59] W|GGL|T (n=OU812@pool-71-191-44-129.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:59] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:02] might want to ask them to upgrade you to 13 while you're at it :) [01:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [01:04] yeah, I threw that in. somehow I'm thinking they won't, but if they're going to give such a broken version, they may as well remove it from the deploy list. [01:05] considering that a slackware-current is more stable than most other distro stable versions, I would think they would have looked at upgrading by now [01:05] packeteer (n=zed@ppp121-44-234-196.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] at least to 12.1 [01:05] well, slackware-version shows 12.2, but that pkgtool is v 12.1. [01:05] but - for now you should be able to just grab the 12.2 pkgtools and untar to / to update the package tools [01:06] nice thing about scripts - don't have to worry about libraries [01:06] Action: sorressean grins [01:06] if I haven't gotten an answer back in the morning, I might do that. it's kind of late, and I believe I need sleep. :) thanks again for all the help, was really appriciated. [01:07] I love the switch here. people complain in ##linux about the attitude of ubuntu when it's the easiest to use (assuming it doesn't crash first), and one of the harder OSes gets better support. :o [01:07] interesting - the package tools on the repository are the same as yours [01:08] o_o [01:08] I got some nice politically correct "I don't want to answer your question" message in reply. [01:08] apparently it was to broad. [01:08] ok - here's 13 pkgtools - it should work as well [01:08] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/a/pkgtools-12.0-noarch-3.tgz [01:09] can I use that to update to 13 from 12.x? [01:09] among others - yes [01:09] but it takes a little more work to upgrade to 13 since the kernel and libs change as well [01:10] Action: sorressean nods. it's running on a later 2.6 kernel [01:10] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [01:11] and 13-current just got the 2.6.32.3 kernel [01:12] o. I think that is to new. [01:12] actually, I'm running it and it's running fine [01:12] remember, pat's pretty good about stability before adding to repository [01:12] I mean for this vps. they won't have upgraded to 32 yet [01:12] true [01:13] well, 13.0 is runnint 2.6.29.6 I believe [01:13] I'll have to see what their latest version is. [01:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:14] http://www.pastebin.org/77065 - Tagfile gen for those interested [01:14] kernel-generic-2.6.29.6-x86_64-3 [01:14] however - I still find it interesting that the version of pkgtools installed is the correct one for 12.2 but doesn't recognize txz unless there was some other error in the package name [01:14] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@112.202.220.133) joined ##slackware. [01:15] why would 12.2 recognise txz? [01:15] I'm planning to download a copy of slack 13. But I would like to know the difference between 13.0 and 13.0-current and what's the advantage of each. thanks [01:16] right - lzma was a 13.0 change - slackpkg was a 12.2 change [01:16] atom_fox: -current is the development version, intended for troubleshooting and bugfinding and will eventually be the next version [01:16] duh [01:17] alisonken1home: and support for t?z was only added in 13.0 [01:17] (for pkgtools) [01:17] sorressean: that version of which is for 13.0 - and you're on 12.2, so there's a good chance it wouldn't work properly anyway [01:17] Action: sorressean nods [01:18] atom_fox: also -current really relies on you having thek nowledge of what you are doing. Some people here will refuse to answer basic questions if you are on -current. [01:18] BP{k}, what's the advantage when I installed current? Is it I could upgrade easily to the next release? [01:18] no - the advantage is helping pat make the next release a _stable_ _working_ release of slackware [01:19] as long as you send in proper issue reports to him [01:19] yep "it don't work" is not very usefull. [01:20] (useful in my opinion is: report, test case, patches or suggested work arounds when possible.) [01:20] alisonken1home, now get it, if I wanted to help in fixing or developing slack, I should get the -current. Thanks for the info. I already had 12.2 but I'm sure 13.0 is better ^_^ [01:20] atom_fox: 13.0 is pretty good and stable :) [01:22] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@buhkit.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:22] the kde upgrade to 4.3 in -current is why I use it :) [01:23] BP{k}, thanks ^_^ [01:23] BP{k} - and not just your opinion either [01:25] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:26] can slack-13 be installed via an ssh connection? [01:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:27] hmm - not sure, what are you thinking? [01:27] if you mean "run slackpkg from an ssh seesion", then yes [01:28] well, they have a sort of tutorial on deploying your own distro. I was going to install it in a vm over ssh as I can't use virtualbox, but I could possibly use kemu and set things up like that. [01:28] or if your server has an ssh console redirect, then yes [01:28] I know gentoo has an ssh installer, I just wasn't sure if slack did. I can't just mount the iso and do an install on the drive they give me, sadly. :( [01:29] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [01:29] how do I ask wget not to follow a particular link in a domain. for example, in "www.xyz.com" I don't want to follow "www.xyz.com/a" alone. How do I do this? [01:30] wget just returns what is give it [01:30] I tried --exclude-directories www.xyz.com/a but It isn't working. [01:30] if the www.xyz.com sends a redirect, then it goes to the redirect [01:30] as long as you tab down, you should be going to a different link in the page [01:31] sorressean: is that tutorial in a restricted page for logged-in users only? [01:31] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:31] sorressean: if IIRC the installer has an SSH server/deamon (dropbear), but I am not sure if you can run installs over that, you might be able to ssh into the installer and then install over other network means [01:31] BP{k}, does 13.0 already have it's own package manager? [01:31] atom_fox: of course it does. like all versions of slackware. [01:31] But there should be way to avoid certain links when using wget,no? [01:32] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [01:32] wget just goes where you tell it - if you want to skip a link, then use the arrow/tab keys to skip that link [01:32] BP{k}: I might play with that and see what my options are. [01:32] the only time it follows links is if you're using it to mirror a site [01:33] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:33] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [01:33] alisonken1home that's what i am doing?. Mirroring a site. [01:34] did you try -X [01:34] BP{k}, I mean a similar apps like the synaptic package manager for ubuntu? [01:34] atom_fox: no. [01:34] atom_fox: that's 3rd party unsupported [01:34] atom_fox: if you want that kind of thing, use ubuntu. [01:34] the pkg manager is slackpkg. but this isn't ubuntu, you might have to compile something. :p [01:34] sorressean: nope. ;) [01:35] BP{k}, ok, that's not a problem, I still like slackware even it lacks apps like that ^_^ [01:35] sorressean: the package manager is pkgtools - slackpkg is the online repository retriever [01:35] sorressean: slackpkg is just an added front end for downloading packages. slackpkg itself calls on pkgtools. (ie installpkg, upgradepkg and removepkg [01:35] atom_fox: it doesn't *LACK* apps. [01:36] alisonken1home I think I tried that before --exclude-directories www.xyz.com/a [01:36] BP{k}, ok sorry for the term ^_^ [01:36] lechiffre: you don't include the leading domain name, just the directory entry [01:36] should that be just "--exclude-directories a" [01:36] -X /a [01:36] Action: sorressean nods [01:36] alisonken1home thanks a lot. [01:37] I wasn't sure, just saying that everything might not come pre-bundled with dependencies all worked out for you like ubuntu. I think that's what he was looking for, though I could be wrong. [01:37] if you have multiple directories, use a comma like '-X /a,/b ...' [01:37] okay thanks [01:38] sorressean: well as far as the install goes, the default and intended install is a full one. As far as that goes, all deps will/are resolved. [01:38] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.179.40) joined ##slackware. [01:39] as far as official packages [01:39] And with SBo, we mention all the dependencies in the README (based on earlier said full install) [01:39] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.179.40) left ##slackware. [01:39] Action: sorressean nods [01:39] hmm this must be a new record. I open my mouth and dios_mio departs. [01:39] future package installation will require that you resolve deps though, no/ [01:40] well, it looks like linode likes swaret [01:40] alisonken1home: uh? [01:40] alisonken1home: oh you mean that wiki article? [01:40] but their installing slackware wiki says it's for 10.0 [01:40] BP{k}: yea [01:40] alisonken1home: trust me the 12.1 and 12.2 installs for linode do not include swaret [01:40] they've got a custom distro article they pointed me at, in the nicest get fucked message I've ever seen. +5 points in diplomacy. [01:41] in fact they include very little. [01:41] hah [01:41] sorressean: link? [01:41] http://library.linode.com/advanced/custom-distro-howto [01:42] sorressean: since we are talking linode here, what are you exactly trying to do? [01:43] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-225-171.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] sorressean: the article has you creating a vm image file on your local computer, then uploading the resulting image to your linode [01:44] BP{k}: I like the idea of linode because it lets me install distros without having to try to get speech support; my system here doesn't have a serial port. I wanted to play around with it, possibly get to know it so I could use it on my other systems. I also wanted to use it for some development work, but their distro deploy seems kind of broken. [01:44] Action: sorressean nods. I read it. but I think you can only use virtualbox, though I may be wrong. [01:44] sorressean: broken in what way? [01:44] I didn't have any problem deploying slackware, but that was a while back [01:45] they didn't have any package managers or compilers installed. their version is 12.2, but they have a 12.1 pkgtools, so I can't use that to install slackpkg for 12.2 because it's a txz and 12.1 won't read the txz/install from it [01:45] BP{k}, I'm downloading 13.0 right now on my HD... is it possible to install it later from my HD and won't need to put it on a DVD? [01:46] sorressean: pkgtools 12.1 is the version in slackare 12.2 [01:46] I got slackpkg installed, but which is a txz, and slackpkg needs which. [01:46] get the pkgtools from 13.0 and install it as well [01:46] sorressean: 1) linodes image is 12.2 2) it includes wget I believe. [01:46] but like I said, the 13.0 packages will need your setup to be upgraded as well [01:47] sorressean: i think you should read the UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT files... [01:47] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-225-171.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [01:47] sorressean: otherwise, you can get slackpkg from 12.2/extra directory [01:47] Action: sorressean nods, it has 12.2. I was just trying to resolve the broken which.txz issues so I could get slackpkg up and running. [01:47] sorry - 12.1/extra [01:48] but i doubt you will survive the manual upgrade process if this hasnt occured to you from the beginning [01:48] sorressean: the pkgtools package in 12.2 and 12.1 are exactly the same. [01:48] so in short .. YDIW [01:48] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.1/slackware/a/pkgtools-12.1.0-noarch-7.tgz Versus ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/a/pkgtools-12.1.0-noarch-7.tgz [01:48] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-225-171.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Hello People. [01:48] so chan moved to registered nicks? [01:48] I was told 12.2 is supposed to read the .txz for which? [01:49] 12.2 does *NOT* nor has *EVER* read txz [01:49] macavity: I wasn't aware I had to jump on the upgrade to 13.0. [01:49] if you need txz files you do [01:49] sorressean: the link I gave you above is for a tgz of slackpkg - the txz package you were looking at was something else [01:49] as they are for 13+ [01:50] another day another couple of problems with slack/linux [01:50] sorressean: that is what we do here all day long :P [01:50] eek [01:50] slackwarebob: ^^ [01:50] tabcomplete: 1 vs macavity: 0 [01:50] will my system work out of the box after installing 13.0? or do I still need to download necessary drivers. For example a driver for my wifi or graphics card? [01:51] alisonken1home: yeah. I have the slackpkg installed, I just need which. Now that I know 12.2 doesn't read txz it's a simple issue of just getting an older version of which I'm thinking. [01:51] atom_fox: that depends on your hardware [01:51] atom_fox: as with any o/s - it depends on your graphics and wifi card [01:51] macavity: suspended to disk, resumed - ext4 corrupt, fixed, reboot, KDE errors on login. [01:51] atom_fox: usually not [01:51] is there a simple for a user to use his frickin' linux based OS without having to hack it to pieces every day... [01:51] sorressean: get the 12.2 version of which: [01:51] atom_fox: with the latest kernel in -current, even better. [01:51] atom_fox: if you have nVidia (and want 3D), or if you have a Broadcom wifi (then you only need to get firmware, the base driver is there) [01:52] atom_fox: pretty much everything else works out of the box [01:52] a handfull of wifi cards may need drivers obtained. [01:52] will do. I'm not sure which I grabbed, probably the 13.0 if it's txz. I just pulled it out of the slack/ dir. I think that is 13 or 13-cur. [01:52] I remember when I installed 12.2 my wifi work out of the box, but my ATI driver I still downloaded it from the site. But it's not really a hassle. [01:53] sorressean: did you install slackpkg? [01:53] Action: sorressean did. [01:53] atom_fox: depending on model you may still need the proprietary driver if you want 3D [01:54] francisco (n=francisc@S0106002275466fa5.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] ok - edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and point it to a repository: optionally echo the command I send next to give you tds.net 12.2 repository [01:54] maybe I'll just have to repeat what I did for 12.2 because everything works well on my 12.2 ^_^ [01:54] alisonken1home: I set my repo. slackpkg requires which to run, which was the holdup. [01:55] atom_fox: then you should be fine. [01:55] echo "http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/" >>/etc/slackpkg/mirrors [01:55] they didnt install which?!? [01:55] sorressean: ok - I'll send you a link for 12.2 which [01:55] mrselfpwn, another thing... can I install slack 13 from my HD? Or do I still need to burn in on a DVD? [01:56] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/a/which-2.16-i486-1.tgz [01:56] atom_fox: you could install it from anywhere as long as you know how. [01:56] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC304A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [01:57] sorressean (n=notI@168.103.85.95) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:57] atom_fox: there is plenty of documentation for all this in the base directory of slackware-13 on your local ftp mirror [01:57] sorressean (n=notI@168.103.85.95) joined ##slackware. [01:57] atom_fox: and it is, as usual, clear and concise [01:58] atom_fox: there is even documentation on how to upgrade directly from 12.x to 13 [01:58] network issues. anyway, thanks all for the help. I'm going to tackle this again in the morning, now that I've got the txz issue solved and possibly do an upgrade to 13. thanks again. [01:58] sorressean: glad to hear. [01:59] sorressean: did you get the link to which for 12.2 that I sent? [02:00] I did. I saved it, thanks [02:00] np [02:00] Action: sorressean waves [02:01] sorressean (n=notI@168.103.85.95) left ##slackware. [02:02] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@112.202.220.133) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:05] packeteer (n=zed@ppp121-44-234-196.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:06] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@112.202.220.133) joined ##slackware. [02:08] macavity, tnx for the advice, I'm sorry if I ask basic questions... Slack is my 1st linux distro, so there are still some terms or things I'm not familiar with. But I'm glad that for the past year that I've used slack I hav improved a lot. ^_^ [02:09] cool :-) [02:09] if you want to up your skills i suggest you start munching all the URLs in the channel topic [02:19] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.14.86) left irc: Connection timed out [02:20] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:21] ?? [02:24] patoncito1 (n=raphael@114.243.114.211) joined ##slackware. [02:24] atom_fox: the url's to documentation in channel's topic [02:25] atom_fox: type /topic [02:25] munching=read [02:26] uuhhhm okie, after installing slack 13.0 I would like to focus first on lerning aobut kernels ^_^ [02:27] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [02:29] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:29] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] atom_fox: re-configure one then. [02:31] make a backup lilo entry for the original one. [02:31] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@112.202.220.133) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:31] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@112.202.220.133) joined ##slackware. [02:36] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:37] macavity, hey man this past year I've used slack to familiarize myself on how to use linux and to know some commands and other things. can you suggest what I could do next? Should I learn a programming language or learn about how kernels work. ^_^ [02:39] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] Larry1965 (n=Larry196@d122-105-194-42.meb12.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:40] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [02:41] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-58-163.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:41] Larry1965 (n=Larry196@d122-105-194-42.meb12.vic.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [02:42] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-60-25.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [02:42] wallander (n=wallande@b821.ip13.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [02:42] atom_fox, to learn how does the kernl work ...internaly i think you'll need to learn some C first [02:43] s/work/works/ [02:43] atom_fox: personally I would say, learn some shell scripting first [02:43] Guest99116 (n=david@d122-105-194-42.meb12.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:44] yep... that's a really god idea .... [02:44] Guest99116 (n=david@d122-105-194-42.meb12.vic.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [02:44] listen to BP{k} ... shell scripting is a nice way to start [02:44] wallander (n=wallande@b821.ip13.netikka.fi) left irc: Client Quit [02:44] "give me all your money and worldly valuables" ;) [02:44] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] hahaha [02:47] BP{k}, ok I'll start on that :) [02:48] atom_fox: if you are serious about it, learn C [02:48] atom_fox: The C Programming Language 2nd Ed [02:49] atom_fox: Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment 2nd Ed [02:49] K&R2 is fairly harsh for those with little to no programming experience. [02:49] atom_fox: chew up those two and come back for more ;-) [02:49] urthwrm: you think? [02:49] Most members here seems to use s/old/new. Isn't that vim command? :p [02:49] urthwrm: if they know what a text editor is, and they can navigate the command line, i think not [02:50] urthwrm: its the seccond one that teaches them how to actually program... the former just shows them the language [02:50] ok, I'll work on that :) [02:50] Guest89033 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:51] atom_fox: may i PM you shortly? [02:51] I'll visit here from time to time :) [02:51] no problem ^_^ [02:51] From what I've heard K&R is a brilliant book but doesn't quite keep up with the current C standards. [02:51] macavity, I'm really glad slackers here are accomodating ^_^ [02:52] straterra, beep beep [02:53] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:53] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:53] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:07] just wondering if something changed or if you were required to register after chatting for so many days/hours or something [03:07] thanks :) [03:08] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:10] samky (i=axius@friedman.ivoltaire.org) joined ##slackware. [03:12] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:13] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:16] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@112.202.220.133) left irc: "Leaving" [03:16] I am getting:bash-3.1$ su [03:16] Password: [03:16] shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory [03:17] lechiffre: The directory your residing in has been removed [03:17] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-66.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:18] lol. freaked out unnecessarily. didn't notice it thanks urthwrm. [03:19] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:20] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:25] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left irc: "=" [03:28] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [03:28] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:31] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [03:31] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-210-71.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:35] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.225) left irc: "Leaving" [03:42] I have installed all the VirtualBox modules including the kernel module but i get this error:http://pastebin.com/d5821219a [03:43] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:44] Also there seems to be no vboxdrv in /etc/init.d as reported by the error [03:44] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-223-74.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:46] The list of packages that I've installed: http://pastebin.com/d248342e5 [03:54] remove the addons [03:55] excerpt from README: "This package is intended to be used on GUEST / VIRTUAL MACHINES running Slackware, NOT the host system." [03:56] irhaman (n=eka@125.162.37.25) joined ##slackware. [03:57] pprkut thanks. I'll try that. [03:58] generally, reading README's is a good idea. They might contain useful information ;) [03:59] lol yes :p [04:00] escaflown1 (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:00] escaflown1 (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [04:03] pprkut I deleted the addons still no joy . :'( [04:03] irhaman (n=eka@125.162.37.25) left ##slackware. [04:05] lechiffre: have you read the README? :P [04:05] yes i did for both the addons. :p [04:07] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-66.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:07] andredebugger (n=andrey@92.46.6.18) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Action: pprkut hints at README.SLACKWARE [04:09] Axius (n=fd@92.82.69.49) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:10] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-206-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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I hope it stays that way even after the drones stop. [04:47] $(tty) ? [04:48] urthwrm: what its doing ?this syntax [04:49] chendy (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) joined ##slackware. [04:51] hm, or how to set window title after xterm starts ? [04:51] now I have "$(tty)" at title :> [04:52] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [04:54] mac-: vim ./fluxbox/menu; $() is command substitution. [04:56] SIGBUS___ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:57] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Greetings [05:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.223.140) joined ##slackware. [05:04] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:05] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:06] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:07] good morninig [05:08] boxxxoq (n=chatzill@218.82.206.107) joined ##slackware. [05:11] hows things today? [05:12] pretty good and you? [05:12] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:19] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-134-225.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:21] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-60-25.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:22] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-53-5.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:23] chendy_ (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) joined ##slackware. [05:23] chendy (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:23] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:23] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:23] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [05:27] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:28] chendy__ (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) joined ##slackware. [05:28] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-134-225.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:29] boxxxoq (n=chatzill@218.82.206.107) left irc: Client Quit [05:33] chendy___ (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) joined ##slackware. [05:33] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-134-225.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:34] can I use another drive/directory instead of /home/ftp? and how do I make ftp.jescis.net connect instead of just using the IP? [05:35] that is another drive/directory instead of /home/ftp for uploading/downloading file? [05:36] I'm using proftpd btw [05:37] vehn_z (n=vehn_z@62.133.181.149) left irc: Client Quit [05:38] im guessing thats in the manual [05:43] rapid, I've not seen it then >.> [05:43] The-Crou1ier (n=agapi@79.103.13.187.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:46] how can I send command to opened xterm from shell ? [05:46] or initialize xterm with command to execute by this xterm ? [05:47] -e executes command but close immediately [05:47] I wish to execute this command but do not close after that [05:49] mac-: eg?> [05:49] atom_fox (i=atomfox@112.202.220.133) joined ##slackware. [05:49] chendy (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:49] emma_ (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@2001:7a8:34d5:0:0:0:e:667) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:50] atom_fox (i=atomfox@112.202.220.133) left irc: Client Quit [05:50] Mkman (n=tiago@bl11-37-215.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware. [05:50] is it possible to use another partition(in this case vfat/FAT32) with apache and proftpd? [05:51] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [05:51] rapid: hm ? [05:52] The-Crou1ier (n=agapi@79.103.13.187.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:52] The-Crou1ier (n=agapi@79.103.13.187.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:52] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:52] mac-: what's the command? [05:53] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:53] echo -n -e "\033]2;tty\007" [05:54] Nick change: emma_ -> emma [05:55] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [05:55] as wrote, I wish to set title of xterm to its current TTY [05:56] then I have to run xterm first to get tty for him, and then send this tty number to title [05:57] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:58] chendy__ (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) left irc: Success [05:58] mac-, xterm has no number, it's a terminal emu, not an actual terminal, unless you use its process id >.> [05:59] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.101.126) joined ##slackware. [05:59] but it gets pseudotty [06:00] i.e. 3535 pts/1 00:00:00 ssh [06:00] /dev/pts/1 [06:00] then I will know that one of my ssh sessions is on window titled /dev/pts/1 [06:00] oh is that so? [06:01] if it will hang for some reason I will know which I can kill [06:01] :) [06:01] now have several xterms with ssh sessions to different servers [06:01] and in case of freeze one - I do not know which I should kill [06:01] all windows names simply 'xterm' ;p [06:03] bino (n=bino@201.78.240.180) joined ##slackware. [06:03] chendy___ (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:03] bino (n=bino@201.78.240.180) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [06:06] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:06] Masterx831 (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:07] bino (n=bino@201.78.240.180) joined ##slackware. [06:07] bino (n=bino@201.78.240.180) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). 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[06:22] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [06:23] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:23] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:25] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) left irc: "Leaving" [06:27] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [06:28] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:28] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:29] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:30] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [06:30] anyone have recommendations for a tool to mass-convert a bunch of FLAC files to MP3? [06:32] Nick change: Guest24918 -> Stx [06:33] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.209.220) left irc: "Leaving" [06:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.37) joined ##slackware. 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[07:07] Delahunt, ffmpeg can't cut it for ya? [07:07] jescis, ? [07:07] XDS (n=XDS2010@pool-72-82-6-135.prvdri.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:08] XDS (n=XDS2010@pool-72-82-6-135.prvdri.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [07:08] dns problem... or more correctly routing problem. Worst case: put an entry in your /etc/hosts file that sets www.jescis.net to your wan ip [07:09] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:10] How long would it take to compile the latest kernel on a core 2 Duo 2.10Ghz? [07:10] lechiffre, not long [07:10] Delahunt <1 hour? [07:11] I want to try it out if it takes less time. [07:12] less than an hour [07:12] just start it up [07:12] be sure to specify -j2 (two jobs) at least [07:14] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:17] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Client Quit [07:17] jecsis: for testing of your site you can also try to access it via an external webproxy. Or the Tor network [07:17] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:18] slackfan_ (n=slackfan@82.113.121.95) joined ##slackware. [07:18] slackfan_ (n=slackfan@82.113.121.95) left ##slackware. [07:21] Delahunt, ffmpeg is an audio/video converter... and I'm sure you could use it to do what you want. [07:22] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left ##slackware. [07:23] jescis, i'm good thanks [07:23] oxiredo_ro (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:23] chendy (n=chatzill@116.30.141.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:24] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-134-225.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:24] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [07:24] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [07:24] hy [07:24] MarderIII, the first one helped thanks ^.^ [07:25] how can i test if my slackwre is 64bit..? [07:25] thanks Delahunt [07:26] lechiffre, no problem man 8-) [07:26] oxiredo_ro: uname -a check for x86_64 [07:26] oxiredo_ro, that or echo $ARCH (i think it ought to work) [07:26] nevermind, no it does not [07:27] $arch returns x86_64 too [07:27] ok [07:27] fascinating [07:27] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:28] then,what mirror should i uncomment in slackpkg dir (slackware64 13.0 or slackware64 -current) [07:28] zarock (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) left irc: Client Quit [07:29] depends on were you are.. Europe? Asia? [07:29] zarock (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:29] i am from romania [07:29] chose site which gives you the best speed. [07:30] no bittorrent? [07:30] ro <- should have guessed :-\ [07:31] but there are multiple pages (from ro) on slackware64-13.0 and slackware64-current sections [07:31] i would try Czech Republic or serghei.net (Romania) [07:32] i see [07:32] but:P:P what does this meen: "# Slackware64 (x86_64) 13.0 and -current" [07:32] john_dee (n=id@95-29-15-118.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:32] (it is from mirrors file) [07:32] -current is testing area [07:32] 13.0 is stable [07:33] try and see what [07:33] oops wrong command [07:33] so,13.0 is good for me [07:34] yes it probably is [07:34] do you have a 64bit computer? [07:34] yep.. [07:34] do you plan on using Skype? [07:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.37) left irc: [07:35] no;i do not have an acoun..or something.. [07:35] acount * [07:35] it is safe to do "slackpkg upgrade-all " whiel i am on X ? [07:36] ^MAssEy^ (i=1000@90.149.67.12) left ##slackware. [07:37] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [07:39] only if there are no X packages that get updated [07:39] and this week, the kernel got an upgrade as well [07:39] should i do a lilo config again? [07:40] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [07:40] as long as you're using the default lilo setup when you first installed, should not need a new config, but you may have to rerun lilo to make sure the kernel update takes on next boot [07:43] alisonken1home, what runlevell should i be when i do a slackpkg upgrade-all? [07:44] run level 1, then start networking by '/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1' [07:44] tnx [07:44] hope i do not broke my sys again...be back [07:44] make sure you read the changes-and-hints.txt file as well since there may be issues [07:45] and the upgrade.txt file as well [07:45] where those file are? [07:46] the same place as the -current tree is [07:46] and if you're using 64-bit, then you want to make sure your mirrors file points to slackware64-current and not slackware-current [07:48] oxiredo_ro (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:51] http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/kaden21/img10503617837.jpeg [07:51] the equivalent of $35 and i have a SD-card AAA-powered mp3 player that works with Linux (but through SD card reader) [07:51] and 1GB is enough for MP3s in the car (lame -V4) while the FLACs sit on my laptop [07:52] i love japan 8-) [07:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [07:53] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) joined ##slackware. [08:03] nille_ (i=1000@83.233.249.176) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:03] $9K US for a pair of sneakers [08:04] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [08:05] Nick change: free_fox -> ga_bash [08:05] alisonken1home, ? [08:06] sneaker confidential on hulu.com, one of the opening sound bites was "this pair of sneakers cost $9K" [08:06] hulu? [08:06] fatalnix- (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:07] hulu.com - streamig video of allowable shows on the internet in the US [08:07] streaming [08:07] fatalnix (n=Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [08:07] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.40) joined ##slackware. [08:07] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:07] question: i have a directory with a bunch of files, my music collection in FLAC. it's ~/Music/Genre/Artist/Album/Title.flac [08:08] what i want to do is script it so that i run ~/flac2mp3.sh on them all and create a "copy" in MP3 of the entire thing in ~/tmp/portable/ [08:08] it's for the netbook i ordered [08:08] what would be the easiest way to do this elegantly? [08:09] mako (n=mako@81.22.21.40) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:09] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:10] did you look at flac ? [08:10] using the --output-prefix option? [08:11] it's not the conversion with flac that is the issue, it's reconstructing ~/Music/Genre/Artist/Album/Title.flac to ~/tmp/portable/Genre/Artist/Album/Title.mp3 [08:11] i can go into each directory using Thunar and convert them all to mp3 but then i'd have to copy them over manually [08:11] i'm still thinking but i figured i'd share the problem as i am thinking about how to do it [08:12] i may end up making a "runme.sh" script that expands all this into individual commands one at a time [08:14] i can create the directory structure using cp though [08:15] Axius (n=oijhif@92.84.25.79) joined ##slackware. [08:15] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-114-42.lns10.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:17] grrr nevermind [08:17] i can't remember how to just create the directory structure [08:18] mkdir -p /tmp/$i [08:18] Mkman (n=tiago@bl6-37-51.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:18] where $i is the structure that you want to create [08:18] for a single directory [08:20] i'm having issues with: [08:20] for i in `find | grep -v`; do [08:20] cp "$i" ~/tmp/portable/ [08:20] done [08:20] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:20] i.e. the results have spaces so they get treated as individual files (words) [08:21] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:21] oxiredo (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Client Quit [08:21] yea, spaces are something [08:21] oxiredo_ro (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:22] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] try "cp "${i}" [08:22] Action: Delahunt is still trying [08:22] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-13-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:22] hi there [08:22] nope still doing it [08:23] what is this Nickserver thing [08:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:23] you can use rsync if you want to copy then change [08:23] nickserver is the the nickname monitor for freenode [08:23] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:23] IOW - keeps track of registered nicknames on these irc channels [08:24] well i don't have the disk space to copy then change [08:24] Delahunt: look at piping the otput of find to xargs -0 [08:24] that's like 45GB [08:24] ah [08:24] s/otput/output [08:24] ans use basename function [08:25] tomake the tree [08:25] to make the tree [08:25] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:25] allend, xargs says it's too long [08:26] Delahunt: try find's -print0, i beleive it has the same implementation as xargs -0 [08:27] find with -ls [08:27] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-219-34.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:27] 8-S [08:28] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:30] still don't work [08:30] the problem is still spaces [08:31] mako (n=mako@81.22.21.198) joined ##slackware. [08:31] Delahunt: sed -e 's/ /_/' [08:32] Peyo (n=user@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Peyo (n=user@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [08:36] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] kukukkk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.105) joined ##slackware. [08:38] can i set src2tgz to put my *tgz (or *txz) files into a directory not in /tmp/ ? [08:38] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] urthwrm, i do not want to create underscores [08:39] oxiredo_ro, what does the man page say? [08:42] whell,man said to me how and where:P [08:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-93.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:43] it is ok to remove al files from /tmp ? [08:44] wario (n=slacktaz@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. 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[09:54] [09:54] how can i install flashplayer (i using slackware13.0_64bit) ? [09:55] look in the extra directory on your dvd [09:56] vxczvsdafs (i=vxczvsda@212.73.146.6) left irc: Client Quit [09:56] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.101.126) left irc: "Leaving" [09:57] lostinlib (i=43d0066b@gateway/web/freenode/x-qgstqroaznhaikhy) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [09:59] Axius (n=oijhif@92.84.25.79) left irc: Client Quit [10:00] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:01] Scuzz, that worked,tnx [10:02] slackmag1c (i=1000@173.74.46.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:04] nvision (n=nvision@e179141124.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:04] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@2001:7a8:34d5:0:0:0:e:667) joined ##slackware. [10:04] The-Croupier (n=agapi@79.103.45.189.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. 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[10:45] on a headless box ? sure [10:47] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:47] mako (n=mako@81.22.21.198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] i try to use kde on vncserver,but all i can do is eighter a gray windows(with a terminal) or a Black windows [10:54] make sure vncserver starts up kdm [10:55] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [10:56] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [10:57] adaptr: startkde in some script somewhere will do it. [10:57] NaCl: tell him, not me :) [10:57] oxiredo_ro: ^^ [10:57] lostinlib (i=43d0066b@gateway/web/freenode/x-qgstqroaznhaikhy) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [10:58] oxiredo_ro (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] fonseg (n=bnguyen@58.187.210.187) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:00] AXIDENT (n=AXIDENT@41.252.12.145) joined ##slackware. [11:02] I hate their webpages though - too much flash on them [11:04] oops - wrong windows [11:07] AXIDENT (n=AXIDENT@41.252.12.145) left ##slackware. [11:10] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. [11:11] oxiredo_ro (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [11:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.208.55) joined ##slackware. [11:15] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] i cant have kde sesion on vncserver( i do not jnow howto) [11:16] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:17] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] that's not the same thing [11:19] you may not know how, but of course you CAN [11:22] how?:P [11:23] I don't use vncserver, but NaCl already gave you an answer [11:23] we call him "salty" [11:24] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [11:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:25] good to know.... [11:26] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176080142.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. 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[11:46] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:47] UML /o\ [11:47] rajin (n=_@port-12648.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: No route to host [11:47] I'm going to have memory troubles but which basis do you have? only source code? [11:48] and doxygen can do that iirc [11:49] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:49] Camarade_Tux: actually I'm in the process of just learning the basics of all this UML stuff [11:50] and I want something easy, WYSWYG if possible, so I could practice on trivial examples when reading the book [11:50] hmm, http://www.umlgraph.org/ <- I wish I had found that last year :P [11:50] evanton: a sheet of paper plus a pen? ;-) [11:51] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [11:51] i always search freshmeat.net when i am looking for new software [11:51] oh, umlgraph only works for java source code, I had actually found it last year but I wasn't able to use it [11:52] Camarade_Tux: I'm so accustomed to the keyboard that I almost can't handle a pen anymore :) [11:53] and by not using paper, we save trees, you know... [11:53] Axius (n=fd@92.84.12.178) joined ##slackware. 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[11:59] do we have a list of mirrors? I just echoed the mirror to the list, I need to get the new one for 13.0. [11:59] you didn't even look at the list, did you? [11:59] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:59] thinkpad ~ $ cat /etc/slackpkg/mirrors| wc -l [12:00] 643 [12:00] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@2001:7a8:34d5:0:0:0:e:667) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:00] um, there is *one* URL there. I can just change the 12.2 to 13.0 I think, I just wasn't sure if it used a different url. I do'nt have a huge list. [12:00] there is one URL because you deleted the original, then [12:01] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158132121.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:02] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158174067.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:02] ah, you echoed a mirror the list? probably with "echo your_mirror > /etc/slackpkg/mirrors" ? [12:03] yeah. I just echoed the url there. I got it solved though. :p thanks [12:04] and don't mix 12.2 and 13 [12:05] Action: Camarade_Tux isn't sure dist-upgrade isn't used for updates between majors [12:05] well, you can upgrade from 12.2 to 13 but if you only want security updates, stay on 'slackware-12.2' [12:06] looker (i=looker@tornado.ktu.lt) joined ##slackware. [12:06] sorressean, with echo, ">" replaces the file with your echo, ">>" adds to [12:08] psYcker (n=psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:11] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-150-196.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:21] dear All! how can i configure ports for input-output? I have successfully set up sshd. I set port forwarding in router, and port checker http://www.utorrent.com/testport tells that port 22 is opened. But if i stop sshd, then port 22 becomes close! how it works? I need to set up rtorrent, and its port 40890 is always closed :( [12:22] i think you can set an iptables rule to open 40890 [12:23] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] cool. just got my upgrade to 13.0 set up [12:23] that wasn't to dificult. [12:24] I want to use mutt with mutt.Does someone knows a good site for setting up mutt with imap gmail? [12:24] Pig_Pen: hmm, i haven't set up iptables. Is it ON by default? [12:25] I want to use mutt with gmail.Does someone knows a good site for setting up mutt with imap gmail? [12:26] Pig_Pen: and does iptables open port 22 by default? [12:26] iptables uses netfilter in the kernel. by default, everything is set to accept. [12:29] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] sorressean: so, iptables must accept incoming connections 40890 [12:30] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:30] soloz (n=soloz@71.Red-79-148-234.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:32] dfrank: i am no iptables expert so i am not the one to ask for details for setting it up, i just know it is the tool to use for what you want to do [12:34] dfrank: by default it accepts incoming, yeah [12:34] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [12:35] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:35] he might have to write a single line rule to accept connections on 40890 if it is closed by default [12:36] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [12:36] t0mu (n=xllmxh@189.72.72.2) joined ##slackware. [12:36] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: K-lined [12:36] HellO! [12:37] Where have pakage (txz) of the mysql-workbench? [12:38] slackpkg search [12:38] thanks [12:39] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:39] adaptr, no have with slackpkg [12:39] dfrank: something along these lines: iptables -A INPUt -p tcp --sport 1024:65535 -dport 40890 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT [12:39] s/INPUt/INPUT [12:39] yeah, one of those sort of iptables rules [12:39] s/-dport/--dport/ :-( [12:40] t0mu: why workbench? why not phpmyadmin? [12:40] ewww [12:41] TClayton, I want to generate model of the base [12:42] ah, have you installed all the dependencies? [12:43] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:43] TClayton, no.. is very much. [12:43] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [12:43] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [12:44] TClayton, I changed a mirror, of the search in slackpkg [12:45] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [12:46] slackpkg only searches official slackware packages; you won't find it there [12:46] t0mu: http://wb.mysql.com/?page_id=152 seems to be a lot [12:47] TClayton: "a lot" of which some of it might be in slackware. [12:48] all you need to do is figure out what is in slackware and what isn't. [12:48] padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.250) joined ##slackware. [12:48] cat "list of deps" | xargs slackpkg search {} [12:49] echo "$fail" ;) [12:49] agreed [12:49] on what ? [12:49] you are kind of worthless [12:49] adaptr: on any package called "-dev"? to begin with? [12:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Success [12:50] ah, bitching without improvement [12:50] nice going thrice` [12:50] adaptr, first, did you actually try your slackpkg search? obvoiusly it doesn't work. second, did you even look at the list? the packages there do not even come close to aligning with slackware's naming [12:51] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:52] thrice`: none of the above. I gave a suggestion, not a literal solution, to automate a part of finding out whether any of those packages are provided by slackpkg [12:54] BP{k}: true [12:56] adaptr, so, "I have no clue how to help, but I'll say random things that don't work" ? [12:56] looks to me like a bunch of gnome dependencies too [12:56] thrice`: if that is your interpretation. how's the ivory tower of perfection coming along ? [12:58] adaptr: right and your solution is utterly useless and without thought. considering slackware doesn't use -dev for packages. Tha'ts a debian type abomonation. [12:58] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-75.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:58] BP{k}: I never claimed it was a solution [12:58] TClayton: I think a fair amount of them are in slackware, and most of the rest you probably can find on on SBo [12:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.32) left irc: [12:58] I have problem to install the library polkit! [12:58] usr/bin/libtool: line 852: echo: write error: Bad file descriptor [12:58] /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lpolkit-gobject-1 [12:58] Channel flood from t0mu -- kicking [12:58] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [12:58] t0mu kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:59] that'll teach them to install polkit. [12:59] lol [12:59] t0mu (n=xllmxh@189.72.72.2) joined ##slackware. [12:59] ops.. sorry! [12:59] t0mu: pastebin nex time. [12:59] vengence from slackboy strikes faster than Thor's hammer :D [13:00] ok, sorry! [13:01] t0mu (n=xllmxh@189.72.72.2) left irc: "Leaving" [13:02] Nick change: [OpenSys] -> OpenSys [13:02] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Axius (n=fd@92.84.12.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:16] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.224) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Nick change: PeanutHorst -> PeanutMedViz [13:22] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@80-123-48-62.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [13:25] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@80-123-53-5.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] anyone know what package cpp (the preprocessor) is in? [13:25] slackpkg search cpp didn't bring up anything. I would've thought it would have been with gcc, but it's not. [13:27] compiler? [13:27] ? cpp is the preprocessor... [13:28] binutils i think [13:29] Action: sorressean looks [13:29] I've already got binutils installed. [13:31] miljo (n=jam@lxcluster2.clc-labs.its.psu.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:31] huh i thought the preprocessor was built into g++/gcc [13:31] and you need to apply a gcc/g++ option if you only want the preprocessor output [13:32] sorressean: grep the manifest file [13:32] cpp comes from gcc [13:32] nope cpp is standalone in [13:32] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:32] gcc.. [13:32] its part of the gcc package here [13:32] /var/log/packages/gcc-4.4.2-x86_64-1:usr/bin/cpp [13:32] but yes it's a seperator package [13:32] binary* [13:33] Action: sorressean got it. I'm doing a ./configure in screen's source and it says : configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check [13:34] thats a symlink to /usr/bin/cpp [13:34] Action: sorressean nods [13:34] just figured that out. any idea why it fails sanity checks? I'm not sure what that means for the config. :( [13:35] me neither not that into autoconf,c,c++ [13:35] Errr... _which_ screen source (version)? [13:35] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.14.54) joined ##slackware. [13:36] 4.0.3 [13:36] ljubak_ (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [13:36] 4.00.03 over here? Where dit you get it? [13:37] s/dit/did [13:37] is there a reason why slack's screen is not good enough ? [13:37] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:37] or you just like to live on the edge [13:38] dtanner_ (i=1000@adsl-75-54-85-153.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] the new horizontal splitscreen functionality maybe ? [13:38] Action: sorressean wants to compile most of his software from sources. [13:38] commendable... but timeconsuming. [13:38] sure, but I've got plenty of it to waste, so... [13:39] urbank (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-123-161-175.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Again.. where did you get the source? [13:39] from the gnu.org site. [13:39] http://gnu.org/software/screen [13:40] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) got netsplit. [13:40] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) got netsplit. [13:40] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit. [13:40] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) got netsplit. [13:40] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) got netsplit. [13:40] adaptr (n=adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) got netsplit. [13:40] murmlos_ (i=mrmlz@hhcrew.net) got netsplit. [13:40] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) got netsplit. 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[13:41] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:41] yeah the gnu folks tend to try to push their new gcc a lot [13:41] Action: sorressean laughs. [13:41] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) returned to ##slackware. [13:41] adaptr (n=adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [13:41] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [13:42] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-240-77-29.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:42] check the slackware sources for screen? [13:42] dtanner_ (i=1000@adsl-75-54-85-153.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [13:43] Axius (n=fd@92.84.12.178) joined ##slackware. [13:43] dtanner (i=1000@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Action: sorressean will do [13:45] configure runs fine here on 4.4.2 [13:45] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) returned to ##slackware. [13:46] edman007 (n=edman007@ool-18bca8f3.dyn.optonline.net) got lost in the net-split. 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[13:48] dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) got netsplit. [13:48] toytoy (n=dindin@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [13:48] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) returned to ##slackware. [13:48] dermoth (n=dermoth@205.151.111.9) returned to ##slackware. [13:48] OpenSys (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) returned to ##slackware. [13:48] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) returned to ##slackware. [13:49] ?? the screen downloadsite throws a certificate error ?? [13:49] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) returned to ##slackware. [13:49] Nikopol (i=nikopol@unaffiliated/nemesis128) returned to ##slackware. [13:49] adaptr (n=adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [13:49] adaptr (n=adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:50] h*tps://savannah.gnu.org gives a certificate error... strange [13:52] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.71.145) joined ##slackware. [13:52] compiled screen a few weeks ago for debian on a arm processor with gcc 4.3 from source.. no problems [13:52] oooh noes [13:52] possible MITM attack [13:53] Or they forgot to update the server certificate in time.. :-/ [13:53] MoZes (n=mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) returned to ##slackware. [13:55] MarderIII: from the front page: Our https certificate is signed by the CAcert authority, which you can import. [13:55] cacert is not trusted by any browsers by default [13:55] Tnx.. [13:57] nvision_ (n=nvision@g225049104.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:58] nvision (n=nvision@g225056167.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:58] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:58] so it's not a real CA or a relatively new one ? [14:00] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-7-18.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:00] telperion (n=Adium@186.28.116.9) joined ##slackware. [14:01] telperion (n=Adium@186.28.116.9) left ##slackware. [14:02] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:04] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "leaving" [14:04] goarilla: it is a well-established, free, root CA [14:05] but heavy opposition from verisign and the other monopolists keeps cacert out of the browsers' trusted list [14:05] will1 (n=sadsfae@funcamp.net) left ##slackware. [14:05] they do have an argument - to get a trusted, paid-for cert, you need to provide proof of site ownership and tax or chamber of commerce papers [14:06] i understand that [14:06] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:06] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:06] but i doubt it that verisign does a better job of proving someone's identity [14:06] so you don't understand it [14:07] no technically verisign should do proper validation of one's identity before assigning the paid for cert [14:07] s/should/they do/ [14:08] but a few months ago it was proofed it isn't always done the right way [14:08] well, verisign has many, many intermediate CAs [14:08] goarilla, do you know how intense it could get to verify some people's identity ? [14:08] most ISPs, for one [14:08] and the money goes mostly towards those checks, which can be non-trivial and require people actually checking, in person [14:08] DNA tests, cavity searches, pi hiring [14:09] :p [14:09] Axius (n=fd@92.84.12.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:09] Axius (n=fd@92.84.12.178) joined ##slackware. [14:10] port 587 submission? does that sound ugly ? [14:10] but so cacert is basically a certificate authorities for people who don't want to shell out cash or believe in freedom and don't want to impose the user on importing lots of self signed authorities only another CA [14:10] anyone know about that port? i looked in services no description. hmmm what was the site that had vivid descriptions of ports ... [14:10] authorities/certificates [14:10] i think it's defined in inetd [14:10] like time or finger [14:10] ah [14:11] thought i took care of inetd.conf [14:11] mmm [14:11] checked [14:11] didn't find it [14:11] dtanner: mail submission [14:11] dtanner: dshield [14:12] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) joined ##slackware. [14:12] the site.. i mean [14:12] thanks dudes [14:13] let me turn off sendmail and see if that port closes [14:14] Nick change: PeanutMedViz -> PeanutHorst [14:16] lsof -n | grep 587 [14:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:17] lsof -ni* [14:18] whatever [14:20] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-75.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] out of curiousity [14:22] is it ok to mount a device ro while doing a dd of it ? [14:23] as long as you don't unmount the one the dd is running off [14:23] i.e. -o remount would be bad [14:23] no i mean dding /dev/hda and mount ro /dev/hda1 while the dd is running [14:23] goarilla: expect die-itude [14:24] ick.. [14:24] crash-ism [14:24] is mounting ro really ro or does it still write some flags or marks volumes [14:24] adaptr: huh ? [14:24] it could slow down a lot [14:25] ok bad example [14:25] hda/sda (usb drive) [14:25] goarilla: a ro mount does nto write a single byte to disk [14:25] ok that's what i was thinking but i wasn't 100% sure [14:25] a mount(8) does not write to disk, period. [14:25] mount -o ro refuses any write() calls to go through [14:26] *afterwards* [14:26] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:27] Srbo (n=Srbo@79.101.247.102) joined ##slackware. [14:31] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] xskoulax (n=Chris@sutton-family.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:32] i hate all these job vacancy summaries that start with these lines ? Good experience with operating systems such as Windows 2000/2003 and Windows 2008 and Windows XP/Vista. [14:33] because you know it'll just will go on and on about other MS products [14:33] are they suggesting there ARE good experiences with any of them ? [14:33] it's in general requirements [14:34] so it's even worse [14:34] whenever I read those, if I'm remotely interested, I ask them to describe what they need done. generic OS knowledge is useless [14:35] well it goes on with exchange then something called microsft SCOMM 2007 and office stuff [14:36] - Understanding of a virtualisation this is the only lines without microsoft in it [14:36] Systems Center Operations Manager [14:36] goarilla: wanna bet they mean MS Virtual Server ? [14:36] probably yes [14:36] If you need a job you'll take one you can get [14:36] hyper-v stuff and windows server 2008 [14:37] i have a job [14:37] i just don't like it [14:38] Heh.. credit crunch is hitting companies... starting to look for (cheaper) microsoft alternatives [14:38] i know one [14:38] mac [14:38] :D [14:39] cheaper than linux? [14:39] c'mon you all know it's kind of right [14:39] who called me ? [14:39] ;p [14:39] hhehehehehe [14:39] Apple xserve is not cheap at all. [14:39] no than Windows and office environment mac- [14:39] crap [14:39] wtf are you talking about [14:39] MarderIII: i mean [14:39] Love the sound of your own typing.. don't you? [14:40] Mac is just as craptastic as Windows. [14:40] http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/xserve [14:40] for 3k...not cheap. [14:41] yeah but you don't need to disinfect computers or reinstall them and one can fix them instead of reformatting [14:41] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-7-18.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] If you run your Windows domain like an educated admin you don't need to do that stuff either. [14:42] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-123-91.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:42] i work at a university as an underling antiwire [14:42] Windows networks being run properly are hard to find [14:42] talking about software policy restrictions and group policy and AD ? [14:43] we have samba 3.0.14 as PDC with crapafee and very lax permissions since most of our lab software is from the mid 90's [14:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] miljo (n=jam@lxcluster2.clc-labs.its.psu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:43] and it's filled with chinese people [14:44] it's a recipe for disasters [14:44] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-131-183-170.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] antiwire: I think we just got baited. He just rambles on. [14:44] indeed [14:45] tsss assholes :D [14:45] ok time for ignore.. bye goarilla [14:50] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] derf` (n=derf@pwnflakes.lobbyzffs.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:50] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.224) left irc: "Leaving" [14:50] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] nvision_ (n=nvision@g225049104.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:51] I just configured a Dell R210 and kept it under 3k. The system is 5x the system of that apple [14:52] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] If including windows 2008 [14:52] If// [14:53] antiwire: still talking to bore-illa? [14:54] not really, I was just curious about what I could build for 3K [14:54] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Good experiences with Dell machines.. :-) [14:55] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:55] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Same here, I'd say that 90% of the NOCs I work in are Dell based. I've also worked in labs where I serviced Dell laptops. They are good machines and easy to work on if something fails [14:56] not to mention that Dell systems support libsmbios which gives Linux people the ability to upgrade the PERC, back planes, and system BIOS from within Linux [14:56] I have done some sysadmin work with small to medium companies. All machines were dell. [14:57] clijunkie (i=1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] from dell i mean [14:59] nprice (n=nprice@cpe-76-184-72-104.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] libsmbios.. interesting i didn't know that. But it has been a while. Nowadays I work with Unix/linux machines. [15:00] "Dell Community" has a whole support site for Linux [15:01] http://linux.dell.com/ [15:01] I'll check it out. Tnx. 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[15:37] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:37] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Is there a slick trick to get scrollback to work when I'm ssh'd into a system and running screen? [15:39] Currently, if I do that I can't scroll back but if I exit the screen I can scroll back. [15:41] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:43] antiwire: scroll back in screen or in something like irssi? [15:43] macavity (n=macavity@212088073002.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:43] BP{k}: In screen. Just using screen for console work [15:44] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:44] for example I ssh into a system, run a screen and rum dmesg. I can't scroll back [15:44] outside of a screen, I can hold shift and use the arrows or page up/down to scroll back but in screen that doesn't work [15:45] I don't know where the configure issue is. [15:45] antiwire: you need to go in "copy" mode .. "^a esc" [15:45] antiwire: scrollback [15:46] BP{k}: holy crap that's awesome. [15:47] padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.250) left irc: "Leaving." [15:47] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [15:48] antiwire: yeah it's pretty neat. including its own copy+paste mode to a buffer [15:49] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] antiwire: defscrollback 10000 in .screenrc if you need a really big scrollback buffer. [15:50] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [15:54] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [15:55] I can't access lartc.org, does anybody know why? Is it dead or the problem's on my side? [15:56] mkultra_ (n=mkultra@24-180-124-25.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) joined ##slackware. [15:57] evanton, i can't either [15:57] this is a notorious resource, it must have mirrors, right? [15:58] evanton: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lartc.org [15:58] notorious? [15:59] BP{k}: interesting site, thanks [15:59] archive.org? [16:00] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-123-91.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] TGP1994 (n=TGP1994@c-71-205-163-97.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Hi there everyone. I'm trying to install xfce via slapt, does anyone have a page of steps for me to install it? [16:03] why are you using slapt? xfce is on the install dvd and online [16:04] just download and "installpkg xfce-whatever.txz" [16:04] I didn't download the install DVD. Wasn't really worth the 4GB of bandwidth. [16:04] what would whatever be? [16:04] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:04] Oh, I see... [16:04] /var/log/packages/xfce-4.6.1-i486-5 [16:04] .txz [16:04] will it get dependancies too? [16:04] TGP1994: so download just the xfce-related packages from any slackware mirror [16:04] don't let the i486 fool you [16:05] Ok. [16:05] no it will not download dependencies for you [16:05] So where can I find a list of dependencies I need to get? [16:05] Action: Delahunt tries to remember the name of the tool that comes with slackware for doing that [16:05] slapt? [16:06] slapt-get doesn't come with slackware [16:06] your list of dependencies are handled by the command 'whoami' and 'ldd' [16:06] For some reason on mine it did [16:06] oh/ [16:06] TGP1994: slapt-get is not part of Slackware. It did not come with Slackware. [16:06] Oh... I don't know how I got it then :S [16:07] antiwire: ldd won't do for dependencies between python packages for example [16:07] did you install it and forget that you installed it? [16:07] possibly [16:07] Is there an aptitude alternative for slack? [16:07] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [16:08] TGP1994: if you want all that stuff why don't you just use Debian or Ubuntu? [16:08] Action: Delahunt stabs antiwire [16:08] Why make a Frankenstein system? [16:08] Well... I suppose I'm trying to learn Slack [16:08] Use the system which has what you want. [16:08] TGP1994: then learn Slackware. [16:08] Slackware does not have apt. [16:08] Well... more like linux in general [16:08] my ultimate goal is to complete the LFS guide [16:08] there are tools which do similar things, fwiw [16:09] but I need to learn some first. [16:09] TGP1994: you might also want to consider arch linux, its package manager tracks dependencies [16:09] TGP1994: then why is aptitude on your list? LFS does not use apt [16:09] Get off that aptitude teet. [16:09] Lol forget aptitude for a second, I'm trying to learn linux in general :P [16:09] um what the heck are you all doing? he comes in here after installing slackware askin questions and you sound like you want to scare him off [16:09] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] if there's no tool that is equivalent to apt, just tell him there isn't one [16:10] brb bath [16:10] I think I've made that clear. [16:10] ya. [16:10] you didn't have to add the extra unnecessary drama [16:10] AFK [16:10] You're the one adding drama now buddy [16:11] Guys, guys, it's alright :P [16:11] there are tools similar to apt, but they are not officially supported [16:11] does this sound fair? [16:11] Yes. [16:12] Should we recap how this went down? [16:12] Well, I think I got it. I should know the dependencies of xfce before I get it. [16:12] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [16:13] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [16:13] someone goes "I want to learn Slackware" and then says "Is there and aptitude tool?" then someone else goes "If you want to learn Slackware why are you looking for an aptitude tool?" Then another person goes "whoa whoa whoa don't be scary" and then the first person goes "hey now it's cool. no apt" [16:13] I think it's all sorted out [16:13] Ummm... ya. [16:14] TGP1994: usually it goes like this: you install a package, run an app. it fails to run and complains about a missing library. you grep the MANIFEST file from Slackware and find out what package that belongs to [16:14] then you just repeat until it runs [16:14] ok [16:14] actually, you just do a full install of slackware, and everything works [16:15] at some point you'll remember the dependencies, but nothing stops you to take notes [16:15] thrice`: that'll do as well, unless you don't need a full install of slackware [16:15] kde for example [16:15] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-33-207.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:15] but it's a good idea to install everything from l/ anyway [16:16] I was actually close to installing gnome, but then somehow I ran out of diskspace :S So I was going to get s smaller DTE to figure things out in. [16:16] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:16] except maybe GUI libraries like qt, if it's a server [16:16] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-198-73.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:16] TGP1994: latest slackware doesn't have GNOME [16:16] TGP1994, are you actually using slackware, or some derivative? [16:17] No, straight up. But there was a customized gnome for it. [16:17] TGP1994: again, you won't get much help here with third-party stuff [16:18] Well, that's not the point, the point is, I nearly ran out of disk space trying to install it, thus I was trying to install xfce through slapt. [16:19] ooh, he said the bad word :o [16:19] huh? [16:21] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-33-207.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:22] slapt-get is not really something ... uhm ... supported [16:22] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-198-73.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [16:23] Ah, ok. So that's what he was talking about when he mention 3rd party. [16:23] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:24] pprkut: how .. diplomatic. ;) [16:25] Is there some big even that happened between slapt and slackware? [16:25] BP{k}: I feel like being nice today :D [16:26] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-123-91.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-33-207.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] no, we are just generally against using any software with "apt" in the name [16:27] Oh... [16:27] scubacuda (n=rog@c-93-182-168-26.cust.relakks.com) joined ##slackware. [16:27] they tend to break systems [16:28] scubacuda (n=rog@c-93-182-168-26.cust.relakks.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:29] scubacuda (i=rog@c-93-182-168-26.cust.relakks.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-33-207.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:30] khider (n=khider@dsl-67-55-21-150.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] scubacuda (i=rog@c-93-182-168-26.cust.relakks.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:31] scubacuda (i=rog@c-93-182-168-26.cust.relakks.com) joined ##slackware. [16:33] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: "leaving" [16:33] scubacuda (i=rog@c-93-182-168-26.cust.relakks.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] thunderbird 3 has gotten more xfce/gnome alike [16:37] khider (n=khider@dsl-67-55-21-150.acanac.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] khider (n=khider@dsl-67-55-21-150.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:39] Does anyone knows slackbuild for mplayer? [16:39] slacwkare comes with mplayer [16:40] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [16:40] khider (n=khider@dsl-67-55-21-150.acanac.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:41] I did not install mplayer on instalation. [16:41] then use the package that comes with 13.0 [16:41] that is if you installed 13.0 [16:42] or, get the slackbuild from the source/ directory on a mirror [16:43] TGP1994 (n=TGP1994@c-71-205-163-97.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "TGP has left the building." [16:45] be aware tho the slackware MPlayer doesn't use libdecss so if you need to play encrypted DVD's you'll have to pay special attention [16:48] goarilla: what i need is a mplayer that works in the console. [16:49] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] in which series can I find mplayer? [16:50] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [16:50] xap [16:51] you might have to rebuild mplayer to use the framebuffer [16:51] yeah if you want framebuffer [16:51] (i.e. not X) [16:52] you can try telling mplayer "use aalib" and (the one that comes with slackware) still insists on having an X display [16:53] goarilla: you can just install a separate libdvdcss package and mplayer will play your dvds [16:53] check ./configure --help there is a switch to turn on the framebuffer support in mplayer [16:53] You can also try vlc - it has "cvlc" which uses aalib [16:54] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-222-160.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:54] Action: Delahunt high fives alienBOB [16:55] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [16:56] what about framebuffer support (mplayer videos without Xorg) [16:57] that would require a recompile though [16:57] Axius, here's alienBOB 's repository of packages: [16:57] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [16:57] alienBOB, opinion: best office suite for a netbook? [16:58] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-60-181.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Delahunt: perhaps an office suite is not what you want to run on a netbook [16:58] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-101-24.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:58] But OOo is what I'd probably use [16:58] vim for documents, sc for spreadsheets (theres a good office suite) [16:58] yeah i was thinking that. koffice might be lighter technically, but not lighter on disk space if you include all of kde [16:59] I run KDE on my netbook actually... [16:59] my pentium-m laptop (1.6ghz 1gb ram) can still run OOo [16:59] alienBOB, how does that do? [16:59] Pretty well [16:59] ted: a very light rtf editor (and only rtf) [17:00] Action: Delahunt uses RTF for most his cross-platform stuff [17:00] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/Ted/ [17:00] and now, finally going to bed, good night :-) [17:01] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-75.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:01] How do I install mplayer? [17:03] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] Axius, read the slackbook, it will help you quite a bit [17:03] I've downloaded all the files for mplayer. [17:03] chapter 18 is on package management. [17:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-219-34.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:08] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] aalib != caca ? [17:09] VF1J (n=khider@dsl-67-55-21-150.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [17:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:16] goarilla: caca == aa with colours [17:17] still ascii art then [17:17] well, yes [17:17] so fbdev, fbdev2 for console then [17:19] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) joined ##slackware. [17:20] pancho88 (n=pancho@pedo.quebradadehumahuaca.gov.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:20] pancho88 (n=pancho@pedo.quebradadehumahuaca.gov.ar) left ##slackware. [17:23] Greetings all, I am a relatively new Slackware user. I had it imstalled on my laptop since September and I did not update anything. I have Gentoo on my desktop nad I update that weekly. [17:23] What is the maintenance procedure for Slackware? [17:24] vhargon (n=geno@122.58.186.7) joined ##slackware. [17:24] rsync, download new patches/packages check their sigs and upgradepkg them [17:25] matumatu (n=matumatu@client80-83-42-195.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [17:25] i think swaret can help you with that but i'm not certain since i do it manually [17:25] woah [17:25] i also subscribe to the slackware-security mailing list [17:25] to be notified of new patches [17:25] swaret is deprecated. hasn't been updated in years [17:25] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [17:26] it'S been a while since I heard anyone talk about swaret [17:26] VF1J: slackware comes with slackpkg, it can assist you with the task of downloading and installing patches [17:26] So you leave it running until something stops working? [17:26] slackware doesn't break with patches [17:26] VF1J: gentoo is a rolling release distro, unlike vast majority of distros [17:26] ananke: Is there a url where I can read about it? [17:27] VF1J: slackbook may have information about slackpkg [17:27] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [17:27] goarilla: that's a lie. there have been slackware patches that broke things [17:27] VF1J: http://slackpkg.org and slackpkg(8) and #slackpkg [17:27] fine but the mailinglist always documents the pitfalls [17:29] ananke: i hope you're not talking about current [17:29] BP{k} pm? [17:29] alisonken1home: sure. no need to ask. [17:29] lol i just rewrote makepkg in perl. uses ldd and /var/log/packages/. to create a deps dir within the package. deps dir contains a txt file for each package required, each txt file contains tho files required from that package. [17:30] Nick change: antiwire -> SpamCannon [17:30] so once i rewrite installpkg it will be able to tell if required packages are installed, if not check for a mabual install (see if rquired files exist) [17:30] manual* [17:31] and one would want that because? [17:31] that's not really rewriting since makepkg doesn't do that [17:31] sorta mixed slack-required and swaret methods together. [17:31] does all of makepkg functions aswell.. [17:31] and one would want that because? [17:31] :P [17:31] How to disable DVD support in mplayer? [17:32] because im bored? and pkgtools is currently very average.. [17:32] Oo you're setting yourself up to be flamed [17:33] i know :P [17:33] lol [17:33] what a load of shit this is http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/164694,lenovo-bucks-tradition-ditches-sysrq-button-on-some-keyboards.aspx [17:33] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-186-126.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] yeah, thats been out for a few days [17:34] doesn't really mean anything tho [17:34] vhargon: if you don't like pkgtool, why stick to Slackware? There's a whole lot of other distros out there who think they do dependency management [17:34] the mb/bios/os will still support it [17:35] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:35] why do they do that on the thinkpad line [17:35] it's like the nr 1 linux laptop [17:35] because some bean counter thinks all the money saved removing a key will save the company [17:35] as if that's a giant market? [17:36] because i think the package format is much better then other distros. i think slackwares design is just completly sexy. and other distros? what like deb? hhahahahaha im fine without dep checking. sick of my mates wining about it then opting for other distros tho [17:36] chiclet style buttns mmmmmm [17:37] vhargon: yet, you implement one on your own. Am I the only one finding that weird? [17:37] the only way it differs is the deps directory [17:37] pprkut: no. [17:38] no different to adding a slack-required.. just contains more info on deps.. [17:38] and isnt left t the package creator to do it. is done automatically assuming option is given [17:38] so it manages dependencies. Let's see, sounds like dependency management to me [17:38] and slack-required isn't a supported file [17:39] and what exactly is wrong with having optional dep management in slack? [17:40] if you want dependency checking, use a distro that does that [17:40] because then it wouldn't be slackware [17:40] i no slack-required isnt a supported file, but its pretty well excepted.. [17:40] no it is not. [17:40] what? so i can turn to into slack with dep checking? [17:40] if you _really_ wanted to, you can install slapt-get, but don't expect help here [17:40] slackpkg ftw [17:41] hitest++ [17:41] :) [17:41] is slackpkg slackware 13 only ? [17:41] started way back in /extra, but was put mainstream supported in 12.2 [17:41] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) left irc: "ttfn" [17:41] goarilla: no. it's been in slackware/extra since 9.1 [17:42] ok [17:42] vhargon: seriously, do it. Try it out. I did slack-required as well (with requiredbuilder). It was a huge PITA. You'll figure it out sooner or later [17:44] slack-required method is useless. swaret method is to time consuming on install. and not have dep management is a pain in the ass for people new to linux. [17:45] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] oh and making a dir with that same information is not useless ...? [17:45] we only want new people if they are willing to learn [17:45] its not the same info. its more itnfo.. [17:45] pat will not add complexity for the sake of simplicity for a few new users [17:46] every single required package gets added. right back to xcursor etc. not just the few the package maker decided to manually right in. [17:46] write* [17:46] there's no simplicity to dep management. It's an illusion. You *think* it helps you, yet it stabs you from behind [17:46] plus all required files for that package. so manual installs automatically get detected. instead of just assuming [17:47] so true pprkut so true [17:47] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:47] s/stabs/buggers/ [17:47] its just for new people. i dont like reccomending other distros to people. and no dep management fucks new people over. lose them to lamer distros [17:48] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:48] it was suse i think i was usuing that had the worst deb management ive ever seen [17:48] it's hard to handle a distro that does it if you don't follow their exact rules and even then it often breaks itself [17:49] vhargon: hold on, so you want for people to use SLackware? [17:49] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:49] This conversation is just like the one I had earlier today, during which it was said that I was being scary. [17:49] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-101-24.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:50] i want everyone to use slackware. i know it means everyone needs to get smarter. but still. im allowed to dream lol [17:50] but you don't want them to learn nor to teach them how to use Slackware? [17:50] Apparently, by telling someone to use the distro which has the features they want rather than creating an abominable Frankenstein, I was being scary. [17:51] Zordrak (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:51] so basically, you are disillusioning them regardless. [17:51] for the record though, I think that was vhargon has done is interesting though [17:51] packeteer (n=zed@ppp121-44-234-196.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:51] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] not that I want that feature but what he did is sort of interesting to me. [17:52] Nick change: SpamCannon -> antiwire [17:52] manually handling deps has nothing to do with using slackware. what exactually do you learn from installing packages?.. [17:52] you have no idea... [17:52] thanks spamCannon [17:52] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] jjann (n=jan@f053084067.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:58] jjann (n=jan@f053084067.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [17:59] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:59] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:00] if anyones interested heres the current version of my makepkg. still needa check for bugs and tidy it up a bit tho [18:00] http://www.hornsandfeathers.org/storage/random/slkmake.pl [18:01] pretty much exactlly the same as makepkg but with a -d option for deps [18:04] you do a lot of stuff just to check if tar is of a version [18:04] as does makepkg.. [18:05] anyone know why that is lol? i jpust did it to cause i didnt want any random tar issues. [18:06] personally i would use die and `which tar' [18:06] ` [18:06] freebse (n=freebse@ip-77-25-91-108.web.vodafone.de) joined ##slackware. [18:07] hmm I think there is onl;y two lines really in makepkg dealing with tars version [18:07] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: [18:08] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-123-91.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [18:08] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:10] goarilla (n=goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] lol theres a few typos in ther from renaming variables. woops. might gdange it it which tar. would shorten it. dont know why i didnt think of that earlier. thanks. [18:11] diogenes_rax (n=diogenes@adsl-99-141-117-49.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl5-183-109.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:15] does anyone know if any fixes have been been made recently to amarok 2.1.1? [18:15] goarilla (n=goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [18:17] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-123-91.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:18] or if slackare is just magic? lol cause i never had this version of amarok work in any other distro and its flawless here [18:18] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:18] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] slackware does not use patched sources unless it's a security patch that's on its way upstream [18:19] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:19] coldcog: most other distro versions try to be "smart" or "everything at once to all people" [18:20] this rarely works well [18:20] apparently so [18:20] thankfully, the Amarok people don't work for Ubuntu or Red Hat - they work for Amarok [18:20] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:22] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-99-131-183-170.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [18:24] i had a bunch of music on my 1tb external that my bro got ahold of and opened on his M$ machine in itunes, and every song he opened there i wasnt able to play in ubuntu afterwords [18:25] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-193-115.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:25] that same music works fine here now [18:25] diogenes_rax (n=diogenes@adsl-99-141-117-49.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [18:26] dont know if it was just a fluke or some other technicality i dont know about or what [18:27] i didnt know itunes really had the power to screw things up to that degree... [18:27] lol [18:29] whats apple thinking with itunes. im almost considering an android just so i dont have to use it [18:29] yeah im not sure if apple makes me more nervous than M$... [18:30] coldcog: as long as the media remains mp3, they have zero power [18:31] yeah thats why i was wondering what could have happened to those songs, itunes didnt convert the media and overwrite my old stuff automatically did it? [18:31] that seems sorta underhanded and weird [18:31] Axius (n=fd@92.84.12.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] coldcog: assume ubnoobu has implemented something that checks the itunes "I pwn this file" flag, or lockfile, or something - may even be a smallish database in the root or in each directory [18:34] browse the drive to see what's what [18:34] if I had my ipod handy I could tell you, but I can't be arsed [18:34] why would they do that? [18:34] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:34] because they limit the number of devices you have each song on [18:34] that seems like the most reasonable explanation at this point though... [18:35] is it just me or does that sound like a microsoft trick? [18:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [18:36] pffff does anybody get "tumiki fighters" to work on slackware >= 12.0 [18:37] coldcog: it's an apple trick [18:37] well thats not very nice of them... [18:38] what if i have 12 ipods i want to listen to at once? lol [18:38] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:40] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [18:40] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-123-91.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [18:40] spider1010 (n=spider10@43.sub-97-37-62.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] lol who here has seen those i invented windows 7 commercials? [18:45] its merely a demonstration of how delusional you must be to install it [18:46] LITesterB (i=nobody@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:46] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wfjmttkzvxxncbkj) left irc: "leaving" [18:47] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-hafggniixqimrvby) joined ##slackware. [18:47] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-hafggniixqimrvby) left irc: Client Quit [18:47] that one where its talking about like window re-sizing or whatever was just on [18:47] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:47] it makes me sad that thats whats cool on that system... [18:48] yeah, if they only knew you could do that in a 3x3 or larger grid in X since 95 [18:48] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:49] which commercial [18:49] got any link ? [18:49] ill find one give me a sec... [18:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmiPzMY4nuE [18:51] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:51] jjholt2 (n=jjholt@cblmdm72-240-143-255.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:52] you can do that in raw X ? [18:53] im sitting here with an octogon of desktops and any window selection feature i can imagine [18:53] and they are making commercials about that? [18:53] i'm here at the awesome wm with 5 virtual desktops [18:53] goarilla: you can do that with compositing [18:54] been available for some time in kde [18:54] yeah but i dont like kwin [18:54] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-oflxsdyuktqcxstv) joined ##slackware. [18:54] its just nice to look back and see how far ive come every now and again :) [18:54] also earlier versions of gnome had compiz/emerald available that did that [18:55] composite also does interfere with nvidia cards sometimes iirc [18:55] kde 4.4 has that as a feature, too [18:55] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-oflxsdyuktqcxstv) left irc: Client Quit [18:55] (lame) [18:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [18:57] wario (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-beqeuhzqyzfdvwhe) joined ##slackware. [18:58] joelxr (n=joel@201009172107.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:00] joelxr (n=joel@201009172107.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [19:06] actually, that feature is very useful [19:06] window snapping? [19:07] yes [19:07] yes i agree, but its not new or up and coming [19:07] for windows it is [19:07] lol exactly [19:07] is anything m$ does? [19:07] thats why its so funny [19:08] like 98% of computer users think its an amazing idea that M$ just came up with and they are amazing [19:08] microsoft's business was never about 'bleeding edge innovation' [19:08] you know what i find even funnier [19:08] thats very entertaining to me... [19:08] the hover over mini thumbnails they have now [19:08] since vista [19:08] lol [19:08] you could do that with the kasbar since 2001 [19:09] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] kasbar looks like something that does belong in 2001 [19:10] lol [19:11] :) [19:11] does kde have something more recent that does the same job ? [19:11] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl5-183-109.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware. [19:11] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-183-109.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:11] what, window snapping? [19:11] seriously though? im confused, can windows developers like physically not use linux or something? [19:12] nu mini tumbnails when hovering over the tray/bar icon [19:12] no* [19:12] coldcog: linux is a kernel [19:12] how have they not figured these things out 10 years ago? [19:12] you know what i mean :p [19:12] that can't copy it easily since it's BSD [19:12] coldcog: what, you mean use some obscure software that not many people have used [such as kasbar]? [19:12] so they have to actually write it themselves which they don't like [19:13] GPL* and not BSD [19:13] ananke: it's a panel in KDE [19:13] goarilla: the mini thumbnails on windows 7 are done a bit better than what i've seen on kde [19:13] no was just being as general as i could and ussuming youd know what i meant [19:13] what i hated about windows (when i dual booted) was a long time ago windows would see linux partitions as something foreign and want to format it, and never consider you had something else going on and it should be left alone [19:14] lol [19:14] Pig_Pen: so does Ubnoobu [19:14] hehhehe Ubnooby [19:14] fsck ubuntu, thats a distro for muppets [19:14] hey! im very greatful for ubnoobtu! [19:14] coldcog: there aren't that many breakthroughs in computing as you'd think. just because some obscure software has implemented some idea, doesn't mean it was implemented well [19:15] if it werent for them i probly would have never been weened off M$ [19:15] because more people run to slackware in despair ? [19:15] ananke: it worked very well back then [19:15] thankfully there is competition and microsoft products are getting better because of that [19:16] imn ot sure what your arguing anake... [19:16] i bet a bunch of old school linux users stick with debian or slackware and dont make the noise and fuss ubuntu noobs make [19:16] Kidpunkx_ (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] what Pig_Pen about RMS ideology ? [19:16] i think recent article on opengl vs direct3d brought up good points. microsoft in face of competition did improve a lot of their products, while often oss folks would laugh it off and software would stagnate because of it [19:17] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:17] blahblah [19:17] coldcog: my point is that those features in windows 7 are not something to laugh about. they are useful, and are attracting users [19:17] RMS is fine, i dont have a problem with him, but i tend to stick to practical and pragmatic thinking and use and do what works for me [19:17] thrice`: ++ [19:18] RMS is similar to Dawkins. he's the loud mouth of a movement [19:18] i just wished we had better standards and programs that followed it [19:18] im not saying they arent useful, im saying they arent new [19:19] coldcog: so which window manager has a function then when window dragged to the right border will create a window the size of right half of the monitor? [19:19] hey which series is libraries? [19:19] Delahunt: l [19:19] l [19:19] what makes changes and improvements in the world is the loud mouths, not the ones that are complacent to accept things the way they are [19:19] kde 4.4 has it [19:20] thrice`: kde 4.4 is older than windows 7 [19:20] that was my "lame" comment - kde4 is desperately just adding crap to kwin that everyone else already has [19:20] no, loud mouths do not make changes or improvements, they just talk loud. programmers and developers make and implement changes [19:20] couldn't e17 do it ? [19:20] i don't need someone telling me how things are, something i know, in order for me to go fix something [19:20] any tiling WM has had it for awhile, obviously [19:20] in fact most the time the wife has to tell me NOT to fix things 8-) [19:20] thrice`: nothing that acts the same way [19:21] not the same tho thrice` the snap features makes a tiling wm out of a floating wm [19:21] I didn't clame such [19:21] goarilla: e17 is like duke nukem forever :) [19:22] i do remember KDE having some snapping features but you'll still had to resize it manually but it was only in the dimension that was possible [19:22] goarilla: i remember using englightment back in '98 or so, it was quite neat. then it didn't really progress much, while other wms really picked up [19:22] i tried it as well for a while [19:22] but it couldn't compete with fluxbox imho [19:23] microsoft realized something, and windows 7 shows it: users tend to pay attention to details, and details matter. they learned it from apple. apple's core business is really taking existing ideas and polishing them up [19:24] yeah they finish what they start and they thoroughly test it [19:24] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] i hate to say it but which is not what the release often release fast culture is all about [19:24] spectre1 (n=kyle@173.54.182.142) left ##slackware. [19:24] I can reproduce UI issues in Windows 7 that were present in WIndows 98 [19:25] yeah but does it hit normal users ? [19:25] indeed. kde4 is a good example of hasty release [19:25] thats what ubuntu reminds me of, kicking a release out the door every six months, it is just a butt pooping a polished turd every six months :p [19:25] goarilla: I am a normal user - I am a *user* [19:25] adaptr: what bug is it? [19:25] I expect an OS to be consistent in its behaviour [19:25] maybe he's talking about the regional settings [19:26] adaptr: and you use linux for that? :) [19:26] ananke: oh the shit about the explorer not ever getting column layout right [19:26] that's only been with us for 12 years or so [19:26] if ubuntu would cut releases down to once a year they would have more time to debug and clean code, and not be rushed to kick it out the door like they are now [19:26] sure but regular users only care about column 1 of their explorer windows [19:27] goarilla: then they're all retarded [19:27] yes and no ... they only use and need a small small small subset of what is possible [19:28] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:28] and have less than 10 items in a directory. that's actually the opposite of reality, goarilla [19:29] ljubak_ (n=ljubak@cable-94-189-151-167.dynamic.sbb.rs) left ##slackware. [19:29] all non-tech users I know dump thousands of files in their documents folder, without any kind of organization [19:29] yeah but they scroll [19:29] scrolling through a thousand unsorted files is *retarded* [19:29] some even do it still with the scroll bar instead of the scroll wheel [19:29] what did I say again ? [19:29] i was typing it before i read your line i'm sorry [19:29] oh yes, I *know* plenty of average users [19:30] goarilla: no, I meant it as a back reference [19:30] *retarded* [19:30] what is the importance of make chroot to webservers - apache+php+mysql? is really very important? [19:30] PsYkHe: not a whole lot [19:30] it makes it a little more secure [19:30] or so most people think [19:31] aren't chroots shown to be trivially broken ? [19:31] Masterx831 (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] yeah but you need to make system calls (like multiple chroots) or you need to make device nodes, ... [19:32] things an sql injector or php guy doesn't know how to do [19:32] hum... [19:33] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [19:33] and if the utilities are not present an attacker still has to find a way to get them in the chroot iirc [19:33] sluttyduck (n=slut@NW1-DSL-74-215-136-57.fuse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] well, once httpd is broken with an upload wedge in /tmp, any utility is quickly available [19:33] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] this is a very common attack vector [19:34] briareus (n=briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-206-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:34] upload wedge ? [19:35] in fact, using a chroot may give you a false sense of security, making you think it's okay to run the web server as a more privileged user, or giving that user access to more valuable resources [19:35] in theory, more secure...hum, easy broken, adaptr? but not committed the all system? [19:35] yeah a lot of people don't bother creating the passwd files and running it as apache in the chroot [19:36] PsYkHe: if you can put a mount utility in the chroot you can mount the HD disk [19:36] you just need to guess properly [19:36] but it's either sda1 sda2 ... or hda ... hdb hdc ... [19:36] goarilla: an attack that abuses a script to upload a binary to /tmp and executes it. this binary opens a high port to listen for more instructions and also keeps a permanent upload slot open [19:37] this kicks off loading any tools the attacker needs to /tmp [19:37] see ya [19:37] he can trivially open a reverse console link at this point [19:37] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-13-254.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [19:38] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-60-181.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:38] true [19:39] but it's getting harder no ? :D [19:39] noexec on /tmp is something i've found to be quite useful [19:39] adaptr, hum...upload send to internal network, and block in all not prevent access of high ports? [19:39] ananke: of course, now name me the percentage of sysadmins that actualy secure this [19:39] i do even on my desktop here [19:40] PsYkHe: that did not parse, sorry [19:40] which makes for a bitch sometimes when compiling stuff [19:40] adaptr: likely not many. that's something i do on some of my webservers. [19:40] goarilla: indeed [19:40] PsYkHe: but then you're firewall and/or segmenting your servers already eg: a web server is for web stuff [19:40] Masterx831 (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] only and that's a better way to go imho [19:41] thanks to our previous management, we subscribe to a different school of thought when it comes to firewalls: host based firewalls are the only ones we use [19:42] ananke: seriously ? you have no edge protection ? lemme fire up my botnet :) [19:42] adaptr: go for it :) and yes [19:43] adaptr: actually, there are some basic rules on the edge routers, but there is no firewall [19:43] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-217-226.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] wow [19:43] host based firewalls ? no statefull packet filtering ? [19:43] :) [19:43] goarilla: they're not mutually exclusive. netfilter is a host-based firewall [19:43] why i'm a thinking of tcp_wrappers [19:44] adaptr: changes rules of the game a bit. while there may be compromised hosts more often, compromises are limited in scope [19:44] do you mean no proxies and or IDS IPS ? [19:44] goarilla: uhmm, i mean no central firewall [19:44] ananke: it all depends on what is on your networks, I guess... I would not like to work in my environment without physically separated subnets [19:44] ids and proxy are not firewalls [19:45] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [19:45] not even selected ports go to selected machines ? [19:45] goarilla: i'm not sure what you're talking about [19:45] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:45] hi guys how do i create simple script to run a simple command..? [19:45] goarilla: he says NO firewall, so no ingress NAT [19:45] heheheh [19:45] that's what i thought [19:45] everything is directly reachable [19:45] ruben23: echo "echo echo" > echo.sh [19:46] adaptr: we do have networks physically separated. in fact, one of them is pretty much isolated from the internet [19:46] #! /bin/sh at the 1th line ? [19:46] adaptr: i would like to run this command mv /path/to/newrecordings/* /media/share/ [19:46] adaptr, not implementation of nat rules in firewall? [19:46] ananke: hrm, cheetniz... good switch protection counts as firewalling in my book [19:46] hum..no is this...:) [19:47] adaptr: true :) [19:47] Kidpunkx_ (n=Masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:47] layer 3 i hope [19:47] some managed goodness [19:48] adaptr: ripping out our pix firewalls was painful, but i'm actually glad we did it. we got host based rules set up much better now. biggest reason for doing it was actually so we can do multicast [19:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:48] goarilla: that line then after is my command right..? [19:48] ours were painful too, but we replaced them with ASAs ;) [19:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:49] since 75% of our boxes run Windoze, host-based firewalls were not really an option [19:49] that line makes it so when your script is executable you can do ./script or script (if in $PATH ) instead of sh script [19:49] haven't used those. then again, we don't deal much with the actual network infrastructure. [19:49] adaptr: we've found ipsec to be sufficient for our purpose on windows [19:50] they're sweet, really - a huge upgrade from the PIXen [19:50] ipsec in kerberos ? [19:50] goarilla: what ARE you on about [19:50] i wonder the same thing [19:50] TClayton (n=tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) left ##slackware. [19:51] it's like we're playing a buzzword bingo [19:51] Action: adaptr flashes back to Naked Gun [19:51] i'm sorry :D sometimes i think they are all related [19:51] goarilla: 6 degrees of kevin bacon does not need to apply every time [19:52] goarilla: you and I are related, yes - some 10 million years ago, we had the same ancestoar [19:52] i was just wondering ipsec for everything ip ... or ipsec as authentication instead of kerberos [19:52] goarilla: ipsec has nothing to do with authentication [19:52] srsly [19:52] adaptr, host-based firewalls is machine or appliance? [19:52] abserlutely nothing [19:52] PsYkHe: as the term implies, it is *host*-based - on each host [19:52] ok [19:52] PsYkHe: host-based firewall means just that: it's a firewall on the actual host [19:53] but what about IKE [19:53] PsYkHe: as opposed to having a central firewall that protects more than one host [19:53] ok nevermind [19:53] goarilla: you can configure windows servers to force ipsec communication for all network traffic; I suspect this is what ananke was referring to [19:54] hum...ok. [19:54] funny fact: we use ipsec transports to tunnel windows boxes *through* our firewall :) it's a lot simpler than opening up 23-odd TCP and UDP ports for each machine [19:55] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) left ##slackware. [19:55] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:55] lotec (n=lotec@62.sub-70-218-187.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.136.94) joined ##slackware. [19:56] adaptr, one firewall by subnet, one single point, one single firewall? [19:57] hi i have done this mount a share name on my slack server a windows share--->mount -t cifs -o username=wilthril,password=password //192.168.0.180/share /media/share [19:57] how do i make this permanent on the fstab, what would be my entries on it..? [19:58] mmm seems the ipsec authentication header isn't the authentication i was talking about [19:58] ruben23: if you google for 'cifs fstab' you'll get tons of examples [19:58] I get 320 thousand hits! [19:59] actually that doesn't work for me neither i do have proper cifs entries in fstab but my network isn't on then [19:59] antiwire: that's 1 thousand more than i do. your google must be better than my google [19:59] antiwire: I'm *waiting* for 0.7.0 :) [19:59] shouldn't rc.inet2 interpret those after network is up? [19:59] chopp: I got it to work [20:00] some people suggest using _netdev as option but ...that doesn't work neither so i just call mount -a -t cifs in rc.local [20:00] chopp: well, I got it to compile and run [20:00] antiwire: hey, nice [20:00] chopp: However, I don't know how to have my ath9k card be connected as a client to my AP and at the same time allow me to create and AP on a different virtual interface [20:00] When I figure that out I'll be happy [20:01] antiwire: yeah that sounds tricky alright. I've not attempted that one. [20:02] I know it's possible, just don't know how [20:02] antiwire: the ath9k working out otherwise? [20:02] yep, this is what I have 0c:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) [20:02] it's an AR9281 [20:02] awsome [20:02] bgn card [20:03] my ath5k AP is still solid as a rock [20:04] nice [20:04] atheros > intel wifi ? [20:05] goarilla: as far as functionality goes yes [20:05] good to know thanks [20:05] if all you need it to associate to an AP then use whatever [20:06] if you want to be able to inject/monitor and create your own AP go for atheros [20:07] when you're talking about virtual interfaces do you mean VLAN/TAP stuff or vmnet [20:08] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [20:09] I mean virtual interfaces in the context of wireless interfaces and the kernel. one phy and mutliple wlanX [20:09] ie: I have one card but wlan0 is a client and wlan1 is an AP [20:09] wlan2 could be a second client as well [20:09] anyone experimented with grub2 yet? [20:10] cool but i didn't know that was possible with only one card [20:10] it has been possible for years now [20:11] that's how dd-wrt and openwrt support VAPs [20:11] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [20:14] chopp: ever see this one? ioctl[SIOCSIFFLAGS]: Name not unique on network [20:16] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.243) left ##slackware. [20:17] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:17] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:20] antiwire: no I've not [20:21] The linux-wireless guys helped me [20:21] I needed to change the MAC on the VAP [20:21] ahh perfect [20:25] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host53.200-117-179.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:26] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:26] i don't have any black cd's, but a spare fat hd to install from... [20:26] s/black/blank [20:26] does loadlin work in xp? [20:27] fishermen (n=fisher@adsl-71-134-237-105.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] download the /slackware dirs in to an extra disk partition at the back of your drive, then use the USB image installer thing [20:32] Pig_Pen, this machine is a pentium II, usb key boot isn't gonna happen [20:32] darn! [20:32] kloeri (i=kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:32] and just found out, loadlin isn't gonna work in xp [20:33] thats old! i would maybe put slackware 11 on it or DeLi Linux which is made specifically for ancient hardware [20:33] otherwise, i'd happily just loadlin kernel, then ramdisk [20:33] not even a boot from CDrom? [20:33] floppy boot? [20:33] Pig_Pen, it'll boot from cd, if i had any blanks [20:34] and it'll boot from floppies, if i had any [20:34] the thing has two fat hd's, and can(barely) hold slack on the first one [20:34] and can hold disk sets on the second [20:34] TClayton (n=tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) joined ##slackware. [20:35] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host53.200-117-179.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:35] and your going to squeeze 13 on it? [20:35] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host53.200-117-179.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:35] if i leave off the kde and emacs series, i will be able to put slack on the main hd [20:35] freebse (n=freebse@ip-77-25-91-108.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:35] Pig_Pen, yeah [20:35] like trying to shove a hippo in to a compact car ;p [20:36] it has an 8.something gig primary hd [20:36] i just got a good vid card into it [20:36] that will hold 13, not much room for anythig else [20:37] Pig_Pen, i was thinking, instead of slackbuilds, putting a /usr/local on a second hd [20:38] /usr/local or /opt either one will do if you are rolling your own extra packages, but /opt wont be in the path until you add it [20:39] Pig_Pen, makes it easier just to mount a /usr/local [20:39] split the second hd in half, half of it /usr/local and the other half /home [20:39] naah i wouldn't do that [20:39] sounds like a plan [20:39] my /usr/local is 300 megs big ... and i have a celeron 600 [20:39] anything not in stock slackware is installed in that [20:39] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:40] 8 gb is plenty [20:40] i was going to give /usr/local 4gb [20:40] I have kde4 installed on here, and my / is at 2.6gb [20:40] thrice`, do you have kernel source installed? or wine? 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[21:27] lotec, i'm about to try it [21:27] good i want to see what happens [21:28] lotec, worst case, i'll get a copy of ubuntu from my buddy and use it to burn a slack cd later [21:29] Srbo (n=Srbo@79.101.247.102) joined ##slackware. [21:31] ultralazer (n=tinman@174-19-1-44.hlna.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] I'm wondering why slackware did not adopt hal the moment it was released, you know, like ubuntu. [21:32] cause ubuntu is so superior [21:32] rofl [21:32] well that explains it all [21:32] lmao! hal is soon to be murdered by the mafia and buried next to jimmy hoffa [21:33] lotec, i know what you mean...the only reason we use slackware is because we're geek losers who can't get a date [21:33] Pig_Pen, agreed...it'll be succeeded by the next big thing [21:34] fishermen (n=fisher@adsl-71-134-237-105.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [21:35] yea [21:35] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host53.200-117-179.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:35] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host53.200-117-179.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:35] my days are spent stairing at a terminal, and then at night i drink beer and stay in my room [21:37] lotec, well, when i'm not in the asylum, i sit in my room...a woman took pity on my deranged mind and married me [21:38] o yea i found one to marry me to [21:38] lol i tricked her [21:38] chendy (n=chatzill@204.152.211.137) joined ##slackware. [21:40] lotec, this one felt bad for me when she saw me shot up with vistoril(had just choked my doc again) [21:41] lol [21:42] the best part is when someone sees me they think i am a redneck [21:42] lotec, good thing she didn't see me shot up with thorizine...the drooling look isn't sexy [21:42] witch i am, but people assume [21:43] lotec, same here...i'm a long-haired, long-bearded, baseball cap-wearing redneck in the middle of the boroughs [21:43] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] well i dont have long hair, but i do where my JD cap all the time [21:44] and dress like a Hillbilly and drive a truck [21:46] good luck slackware, may the schwartz be with you. [21:46] and the jameson [21:46] ultralazer (n=tinman@174-19-1-44.hlna.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." 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[22:25] slackwarebob, depends on the weather [22:25] gotta keep out the riffraff somehow [22:26] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:26] edman007: :) getting ready to reinstall. just hoping to resolve the issue without it. got my install media. [22:30] ok, one question. can someone tell me if it is possible to uninstall and reinstall KDE alone? [22:31] I run pkgtool and the options I see are: view installed packages. I don't see something clearly marked kde-base, or kde. [22:32] use removepkg and some commandline-fu [22:33] what's up slackwarebob ? [22:33] mount your DVD to, say, /mnt/dvd, and "upgradepkg --reinstal /mnt/dvd/slackware/kde/*.txz" [22:33] reinstall * [22:33] thrice`: that seems clear enough. thank you. :) [22:34] psychicist (n=psychici@j0175.upc-j.chello.nl) left ##slackware. [22:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:34] wario: not much. [22:36] slackwarebob, reinstalling kde will not remove your settings, though, if that is what you are really after [22:37] thrice`: actually settings preservation is a plus. I'm just hoping my session corruption will be fixed. [22:38] thrice`: all sessions load thru kdm, except kde. It says call to lnusertemp failed. [22:38] somebody remind me why I used computers? [22:39] dtanner_ (n=dtanner@adsl-75-54-85-153.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] I've been trying to run the following for 10 mins now: mount /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom [22:39] lol, just occured to me to mount /dev/cdrom instead. [22:39] that is a new way [22:39] slackwarebob, what does "ls -l /etc/passwd" say ? [22:40] thrice`: -rw-r--r-- root root [22:40] except you can't mount you directory on top of the same directory. [22:40] coldcog (n=coldcog@c-98-202-121-136.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] wario: more than that it didn't occur to me to mount /dev/cdrom device. even tho it kept saying /mnt is not a device, it took a while to click. [22:41] VF1J (n=khider@dsl-67-55-21-150.acanac.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:41] um [22:41] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:41] well, that is because of the amount of THC in your body right now. [22:42] slackwarebob, that looks good; and ls -l /home ? what does your user's DIR have? [22:42] montel_ (n=montel@pdpc/supporter/student/monteledwards) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:42] thrice`: drwx--x--x users [22:42] I'm trying out the scheme of creating a group for each user I create this time around. [22:42] to install slack, i need a bootable mbr on the second hd...otherwise, i get "missing operating system" [22:43] montel_ (n=montel@pdpc/supporter/student/monteledwards) left ##slackware ("bye!"). [22:43] slackwarebob, ok, that's all I've got ;) sorry [22:43] diogenes323 (n=diogenes@adsl-99-141-117-49.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:43] My users are still members of the users group they are also members of their own group which is named the same as their user account. [22:43] slackwarebob, didn't know if you were hit by: http://anojrs.blogspot.com/2008/10/call-to-lnusertemp-failed-after-adding.html [22:44] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@64.134.222.102) joined ##slackware. [22:44] oh, one more? ls -l /tmp [22:44] antiwire: thats cause you use useradd which does that. try adduser next time [22:44] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:45] sahk0: umm, I'm not reporting an error [22:45] you're not helping anything since there is no issue. [22:45] dtanner (i=1000@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] Action: pupiteee pants on the ground!! [22:45] thrice`: I went thru that one also. didn't fix my issue. [22:46] slackwarebob, be sure /tmp is 1777 too [22:46] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [22:46] thrice`: problem happend when I suspended to disk and resumed from it. It complained that the fs was marked with compression without compression support. [22:46] antiwire: oh right didnt see the first line you wrote [22:46] and useradd does not do what I described. You would have to create the group first anyway. [22:46] thrice`: only thing compressed was possibly the movie that was paused in mplayer. [22:46] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:46] thrice`: sorry what is 1777? [22:47] antiwire: afair it does that by default. it creates a group the same name as the user and add him to it. at least if you use useradd -m -s foo [22:47] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [22:47] slackwarebob, ls -dl /tmp/ - should be "drwxrwxrwt" [22:48] http://www.noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=292 [22:48] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:48] thrice`: ok, it is that. it is drwxrwxrwt. [22:48] /tmp , /var/tmp also. [22:49] useradd does not add groups to a system [22:50] well, try it if you wish. useradd -m -s antiwir and login as that user and exec groups [22:51] that is invalid syntax btw [22:51] -s is for shell [22:51] are you even reading the man page? [22:51] no :p [22:51] useradd does not add groups. [22:52] i guess i always used -s cause i wanted to change the shell [22:54] i dont remember if it actually adds the group, i think it does, but im certain that if you exec groups, your user is part of a group with his name [22:54] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host53.200-117-179.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:56] thrice`: btw, I don't have slackware/kde. [22:56] you are mistaken [22:57] maybe, im not willing to try it now though [22:57] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:57] No really. it doesn't add groups [22:58] it adds users to groups though. [22:58] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host53.200-117-179.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:59] antiwire: question. how do you bring together a file that has been split into different bz2 files? [22:59] bzcat? [23:00] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:00] Depends on how the file was split [23:01] it's for a friend [23:01] cat *.bz2* | (cd destination; bzip2 -dc | tar -xv) should work if it was split using split [23:02] aight [23:03] but like antiwire said, it depends. [23:03] ah the wonders of cat [23:04] antiwire: useradd *adds* groups the same name as the user to /etc/group. i tried it just now [23:04] yes [23:04] didymo (n=ashley@131.203.102.171) joined ##slackware. [23:05] I just tried your example right now with proper syntax and it does not add any groups. [23:05] sahk0: Are you on Slackware? [23:05] yeah, the proper syntax might be the key [23:06] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "Changing server" [23:06] im on Slackware but i tried it on my netbook which has kubuntu [23:06] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] sahk0: you are not correct then [23:06] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [23:06] why? [23:06] From the useradd manpage" The group name or ID for a new user's initial group. The named group must exist, and a numerical group ID must have an existing entry. [23:06] Group must exist [23:07] useradd does not add groups. [23:07] i saw that but still.. [23:07] no really, it doesn't [23:07] can you try this then? useradd -m -s /bin/zsh username [23:07] I didn [23:07] did [23:08] and I have confirmed that useradd does not add groups. [23:08] hmm weird. [23:08] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:08] i dont remember trying it on Slackware but thats always been the case everywhere else i remember [23:08] groupadd adds groups. useradd adds users and users to existing groups. [23:09] spider1010 (n=spider10@43.sub-97-37-62.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:09] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-434498.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:10] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:10] useradd- add user groupadd- add group [23:11] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:12] someone knows how to enable print screen key to pull automaticaly ksnapshot? [23:12] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [23:13] pupiteee: My system has the hotkey defined by default [23:13] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host53.200-117-179.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [23:14] antiwire: well my doesnt [23:15] nevermind i'll fix it in kde menu editor... [23:15] done. [23:15] ok, I can't find any kde sets on my CD. but I know I installed from it. [23:17] slackwarebob: cd or dvd? [23:17] What version of Slackware? [23:18] chendy (n=chatzill@204.152.211.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:19] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:19] antiwire: 13. CD. [23:19] Which CD number do you have? [23:19] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:20] hmmm, this is cd 1. [23:20] kde does not come on cd 1. The only way you could possible have kde on your system if you installed with CD1 only is by installing kde after or by using some custom CD http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [23:20] in the slackware/packages.txt file, I see mentions of kde, and kde components, in comments. [23:21] antiwire: no, I used CD1 to boot off stuff then mounted ISO images as cdrom to continue with install. [23:22] so I see. I should now go download those again. And to think they were on the FS, I deleted them for space. [23:22] Don't you think that is a key bit of information in the context of our conversation? [23:22] antiwire: I do, but your asking made me remember. [23:22] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] I actually didn't remember that just because I burnt CD contents onto a DVD, I actually don't have the rest of the media. LOL. [23:23] so, thanks. :) I'm downloading others. [23:24] FriedBob (n=Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [23:24] n00bs, eh? [23:27] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [23:28] vhargon (n=geno@122.58.186.7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [23:30] can one only install from a CD, or is it possible to install directly from a mirror to say go to the mirror and get every package listed and install it? [23:32] The installer supports installing from NFS, CIFS, FTP, HTTP [23:32] cool. let me go hit the manpage. [23:32] ? [23:34] instead of rebooting into the install CD, I just wanna to see if installpkg, or pkgtool support http install. [23:34] otherwise, I'll boot into cd1 and see if it allows to install just KDE/* off http. [23:35] installpkg and pkgtool install packages from a filesystem. If you can provide a system that has network access to a filesystem you can use the pkgtools in one way or another. [23:37] has anyone got broadcom wifi working with kernel 2.6.29.6 ? [23:37] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:38] antiwire: I see. thanks. :) I guess it would be faster to boot into installer and just go that way. :) I just wanted to let the movie play in background while attempting a hack job. [23:39] How do I name my session in a Xfce terminal tab? [23:40] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:44] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:47] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. 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