[00:00] bootgraph [00:00] that's just the kernel though, the entire boot is 38 seconds. [00:00] ah [00:00] i need to get bootgraph. [00:00] i have just been using a stop watch :P [00:00] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] lol [00:01] well, it's in the kernel, just add a couple lines in lilo. :P [00:01] not accurate enough mrselfpwn ^_~ [00:01] hm, can't you just add "uptime > /root/boottime.txt" to the end of rc.local? [00:01] that'd make it only seconds accurate, wouldn't it? [00:01] (or are you booting to a GUI? that would take some extra time after rc.local runs I guess) [00:01] seconds is accurate enough for me anyway :) [00:01] i boot to slim [00:01] where i log in from there [00:02] eh, /proc/uptime has better resolution [00:02] cat /proc/uptime > /root/boottime.txt [00:03] or better yet, cut -d' ' -f1 /proc/uptime > /root/boottime.txt [00:03] 17392.32 [00:04] are those in seconds? [00:04] mrselfpwn: yeah [00:04] necos@tessai:~$ uptime [00:04] 21:04:28 up 173 days, 1:56, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [00:04] >.> [00:04] lol [00:05] eh, I just upgraded the kernel 3 days ago [00:05] I just compiled 2.6.30.1 yesterday, and trimmed the heck out of it. [00:05] shaving 13 seconds off boot [00:05] but, I want it faster yet. [00:05] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:05] lol [00:05] lol [00:06] hm, have you tried to compile/run dosbox on 2.6.30.1? Apparently there are problems with 2.6.30, dunno about the .1 [00:06] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:06] fire|bird is goin for the gold >.> [00:06] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [00:06] i took out the gtk stuff and added it to my manually ran rc.gtk-stuff file [00:06] i haven't noticed any problems [00:06] wanna see something really funny? this is one of my servers here at the office... [00:06] root@saturn:~# uptime [00:06] 21:20:29 up 191 days, 11:00, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [00:06] the pango stuff fire|bird [00:07] mrselfpwn: yeah, I might do the same. [00:07] I used to get 300+ days on servers at my old job (we had big honkin' UPSes) [00:07] how many days are there since the start of the year? [00:07] mrselfpwn: hal daemon takes 7 seconds. :) [00:07] Hi all. I just rebooted from a hard locked system. What can I look at to see what might have froze my system? I was in the middle of editing an excel spreadsheet in virtualbox if that makes any difference, but I was also online: firefox, irssi, slackpkg [00:07] 197? (does that sound right?) [00:08] date +%j [00:08] 196 [00:08] lol, that sounds about right [00:08] did ctrl+alt+delete work briareus? [00:08] is the 16th here [00:08] and Jan 1 counts as day 1, not day 0 [00:08] we started on the 5th or somethin here at the school [00:08] mrselfpwn: no. total hardlock. I waited until the clock was 5 minutes behind for a recovery before I rebooted with the power button [00:09] look at your kernel log [00:09] yeah, school here started on the 5th [00:09] 196-5 = 191 >.<; [00:09] mrselfpwn: http://imagebin.org/56061 [00:09] mrselfpwn: is that simply /var/log/messages? [00:10] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [00:10] /var/log/syslog [00:10] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [00:10] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:11] /var/log/debug [00:11] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [00:11] fire|bird: that's the result of bootgraph? Pretty detailed stuff... where's the stopping point? after the root fs is mounted, just before /sbin/init runs? [00:12] how do i enable that fire|bird [00:12] mrselfpwn: syslog has no usable info. it goes from a last firewall notification 2 minutes before the lock to a message during reboot after. I'll try debug [00:12] Urchlay: Umm, not sure, I would guess so. [00:12] fire|bird: heh, the last second or so, the labels are too compressed and/or antialiased to actuall read them [00:12] there is also syslog.1 [00:12] but isn't syslog.1 overflow? [00:12] mrselfpwn: add initcall_debug=1 printk.time=1 to lilo.conf in append line [00:13] idk Necos [00:13] (I supposed the original's an SVG though) [00:13] it is an overflow, its syslog that covers the time gap [00:13] or rather, doesn't helpfully cover the time gap [00:13] logs get rotated what, weekly? syslog.1 is last weeks' log [00:13] mrselfpwn: then run lilo (of course), then reboot, then run as root: dmesg | perl scripts/bootgraph.pl > output.svg [00:14] bummer, debug doesn't help either [00:14] Urchlay: yeah, uploaded it doesn't look good there, but on my pc, it's an svg, so I can zoom in close, etc. to see it all. [00:14] in a lot of real crashes, the kernel can't log anything about the crash because it's so hosed that it's lost the ability to write to the filesystem safely (or at all, maybe) [00:15] I mean it can log to the screen, but that don't help you if you're running X when it happens [00:15] yeah, seems so [00:15] yes [00:15] another thing to test is if your SysRq key combinations work [00:16] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [00:16] alt+SysRq+b should reboot your system [00:16] that is if/when it hangs again [00:16] yeah the moment I saw it lock, I thought it was just virtualbox that locked, but then I saw the mouse was locked, and then I saw that the system clock had frozen, as had my conky monitor [00:16] if you're really serious (or really seriously annoyed), you could run the console on a serial port, attach a terminal (eh, or, a laptop running minicom, whatever) to the serial port, and see any messages there... but that assumes you've got a proper serial port (on the motherboard, not USB), which is getting rare these days [00:16] have you overclocked your pc briareus? [00:17] normally, I can stop X and restart it, or at least reboot [00:17] thank you fire|bird [00:17] no, no overclocking [00:17] mrselfpwn: you're welcome [00:17] ah, i had a problem with locks and undid my overclock which fixed the issue [00:17] but that isn't your case. [00:18] tonight is also the first night running this kernel [00:18] slackbook1420 2.6.30 i686 GNU/Linux [00:18] no wait, sorry [00:18] briareus: if X appears to freeze, you might try pressing ctrl-alt-F1 to see if you get a console... and/or press the Caps Lock key (if the caps lock light on the keyboard lights up, the kernel is still at least somewhat alive, but if X is running, it controls the LEDs) [00:18] I rebooted to .30, tonight was the first night I ran 30.1 [00:18] briareus: AH HA! kernel upgrade. [00:18] Urchlay: yeah, tried it. [00:18] hehe [00:18] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:18] leds and everything were locked [00:19] briareus: also, do you have any other machine on your LAN? You could try to ping the IP of the locked-up box, and/or ssh into it [00:19] did you patch your kernel or do a clean build? [00:19] clean build always [00:19] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:19] I don't recall if I've ever patched a kernel other than to teach myself how way back when [00:19] I always do clean builds [00:19] briareus: There is always a reason why something gets borked. do you continue to have the same problems if you go back to the old kernel version? [00:19] take anything out of the kernel that was there before? [00:19] eh, there's nothing "unclean" about patching the kernel, unless you do it wrong [00:20] right Urchlay [00:20] agentc0re: no idea, it's been 15 minutes yet, and I'm only running irssi this time [00:20] slKIvs (n=ivan@4.93.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:20] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [00:20] just for simplicities sake i used the word clean. [00:20] did you remove anything during make menuconfig? [00:20] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) joined ##slackware. [00:20] mrselfpwn: no, I tend to do a diff on the kernel source [00:20] briareus: try to duplicate the same circumstances (editing an excel spreadsheet in virtualbox while firefox is running, etc etc)? [00:21] well, it's 920... time to get the hell out of here... laters folks [00:21] gute nacht Necos [00:21] laters Necos. [00:21] later [00:21] Urchlay: I was about to, just thought I'd check for any logs if I could [00:21] http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse/sort-by-votes [00:21] were you watching/using any flash based things in firefox? [00:21] briareus: was worth looking, at least [00:21] nope [00:21] slKIvs (n=ivan@4.93.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [00:22] I did have a few tabs open, but I hadn't looked at them for an hour while working on the spreadsheet [00:22] wow watching you tube vdo without flash .. . [00:22] briareus: if you had to power off, anything that *had* gotten logged to disk, might not have been actually committed to the medium yet (probably was sitting in a buffer waiting to be written to the actual disk) [00:23] init[1]: youtube-dl + mplayer? [00:23] speaking of firefox. i got 3.5 to run finally, with a fix i found on the web [00:24] mplayer -fs $(echo "http://youtube.com/get_video.php?$(curl -s [00:24] $youtube_url | sed -n "/watch_fullscreen/s;.*\(video_id.\+\)&title.*;\1;p")") [00:24] interesting init[1] [00:25] you can put that into firefox [00:25] all one line? [00:25] as its handles emailid [00:25] im trying that now .. 1 sec [00:26] mrselfpwn: what was the problem that needed fixing? [00:27] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:28] im so boring [00:28] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [00:28] I just wait till slackware versioned software comes out [00:28] -_- [00:28] regarfing firefox 3.5 [00:28] well, in /etc/ld.so.preload I had to comment out libsafe.so [00:29] then run firefox with; [00:29] so i totally got owned with the Firefox 3.5 javascript exploit [00:29] LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libc.so.6 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox [00:29] at work [00:29] bah [00:29] IT had to come and run anti-virii on my computer, while I hung my head in shame [00:29] hm. How did you ever get libsafe.so mentioned in /etc/ld.so.preload? added it yourself, or some 3rd party package? [00:30] stock slackware doesn't even have /etc/ld.so.preload [00:30] well, the package libsafe is not in the standard slackware install tree [00:30] another package required it i guess [00:30] The line was there already when I checked. [00:30] yeah, but sticking itself in the system-wide global ld.so.preload is a really *rude* thing for a package like that to do [00:31] LOL, i just twittered via CLI. [00:31] that's funny. [00:31] it actually, intercepts things to make them safe [00:31] like a filter [00:31] "make them safe"... or else make them fail, like firefox was doing? :) [00:31] lol [00:31] exactly [00:31] I guess if the browser won't run, it's 100% safe from all possible exploits [00:32] i uninstalled it, but after reading it's very persuasive man page i reinstalled [00:32] though my question, is it even being used now that I commented out that line? [00:33] libsafe is supposed to magically stop buffer overflow exploits, isn't it? I wonder how it compares to compiling stuff with -fstack-protector (obviously, libsafe doesn't need everything to be recompiled, but I wonder if -fstack-protector is more effective...) [00:33] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [00:33] wb init[1] [00:34] yo [00:34] fire|bird: [00:34] hmm [00:34] no, it's not being used if you don't have that line in ld.so.preload (unless it's being used by some package that was specifically linked with it, or is smart enough to preload it all by itself... whatever package you needed it for, might be doing that) [00:34] yes it intended to do that [00:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] right, that is what I was thinking Urchlay [00:35] the specific package for which i originally installed it probably calls it [00:35] do you have any idea what that package might have been? :) [00:35] heh, no. though I could probably narrow it down. [00:35] emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-84-222.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:36] ldd and grep, if nothing else [00:36] good evening :) [00:36] emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-84-222.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:36] yes [00:36] groo (n=groo@189-18-188-102.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:37] groo (n=groo@189-18-188-102.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [00:37] groo the wanderer? [00:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-183.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-215.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [00:41] phunkedelik (n=phunkede@207.229.35.242) joined ##slackware. [00:42] gonna reboot and checkout bootgraph [00:42] mrselfpwn: yikes, now my bootchart is saying 1:05. :( [00:42] it doesn't seem that slow. [00:43] will slim interfere with the uptime command i put in rc.local Urchlay? [00:44] also fire|bird what is the difference in bootchart and bootgraph? [00:45] I don't know what slim is. A login manager? [00:45] mrselfpwn: why would you run slim from rc.local? [00:45] Urchlay: it is a login manager [00:45] Urchlay: it is basically xdm but looks nicer [00:45] i'm not BP [00:46] depends. Does it run as a daemon, or do you run it as "slim &" to background it, or what? [00:46] Urchlay: either. [00:46] and smaller than the other alternative login managers [00:46] Urchlay: it has daemon as an option [00:46] yeah, I meant, which does mrselfpwn actually do? :) [00:46] ah :) [00:46] and slim can be run from rc.4 where it should be. ;) [00:46] let me check [00:47] mrselfpwn: bootchart measures the entire boot. bootgraph just measures the kernel. [00:47] partly it also depends on what you want to define as "the entire boot". From power-on to GUI login prompt? [00:48] for me it's power-on to console login: prompt (I don't run a GUI login manager) [00:48] my biggest slowdown is the wireless network [00:48] good point. I'm not sure exactly when bootchart measures until. The last item in bootchart is xfssyncd [00:48] and of course there's nothing I can do to speed up part of it (the BIOS POST already has "fast boot" enabled) [00:49] it seems to just pause for 5-6 seconds, and then dhcpcd starts outputting and it chugs along [00:49] but luckily i don't have a reason to boot anymore, since i got suspend working today [00:49] but then boot(chart|graph) will be measuring from kernel boot time, not from POST and not counting any time spent at the LILO prompt [00:52] zaltekk: you might be able to edit rc.M, find where it calls rc.inet1, and stick an & at the end of that line (start rc.inet1 in the background). Depending on what services you run, if any, it might work fine or cause e.g. apache or sendmail to fail to start because the network isn't yet up [00:53] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [00:53] uhm [00:53] wouldn't chmod -x rc.inet1 work just as simple? :P [00:53] heh, i'm seeding(my upload speed) at over 400k a sec. [00:53] no, cause he wants it to run, he just doesn't want the rest of the boot process to sit & wait for it [00:54] chmod -x would stop it running at all [00:54] Urchlay: it will most likely be okay to do that. it's a laptop so there are no servers [00:54] i don't even use sendmail since i have a blackberry [00:54] zaltekk: ah, cool. Lemme know if you do try it, and if it actually is useful :) [00:55] Urchlay: i think there may be some type of setting that controls the delay between the wpa_supplicant command and the dhcpcd command [00:55] and i need to set it to 0 [00:55] or maybe 1 [00:55] another idea: instead of DHCP, try manually setting an IP, see if the pause goes away? [00:55] Urchlay: that might work if what i just said is true [00:56] oh, is there a deliberate delay for wpa_supplicant? I did not know that... [00:56] dhcp runs quickly [00:56] the pause is between rc.inet1 starting and dhcp saying it is starting [00:56] so either wpa_supplicant is going slow, which it doesn't when i invoke it with identical arguements, or there is some sort of delay [00:57] right... [00:57] # You can increase this value in rc.inet1.conf (WLAN_WPAWAIT) or rc.wireless.conf (WPAWAIT) [00:57] it appears to default to 10 [00:57] that seems to be the problem [00:58] look a little below that though (in rc.wireless) and you'll see a hard-coded "sleep 3" [00:58] if i run "wpa_supplicant -Dwext -Bw -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant && dhcpcd -d wlan0" it works fine without a delay [00:59] sleep 3 should be plenty of time [00:59] the "sleep 3" occurs *after* all the wpa_supplicant stuff is done, it may not be necessary at all [00:59] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:00] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart took ~12 seconds still [01:00] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:00] cute [01:00] only about 3 seconds of it was stop [01:01] run "sh -x /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart" to see each command as it's being run [01:01] well, using the cat /proc/uptime suggestion Urchlay made for my rc.local [01:01] the result in boottime.txt was 24.25 seconds [01:01] did you say you're running a login manager from rc.local? [01:02] no, the login manager is ran from rc.4 [01:02] i boot to runlevel 4 as opposed to 3 [01:02] I'm booting to rl3 here, no x login manager, then I just do startx [01:03] What is the 24.25 measuring, from power-on to login manager? [01:03] ah. In that case, rc.local has already finished, by the time the login manager starts... so boottime.txt doesn't tell the whole story (doesn't include however long it takes X + loginmanager to give you a usable login prompt) [01:03] hmm [01:03] fire|bird: no, from power-on to just before the login manager gets run [01:03] so it's ran before X? [01:03] yeah [01:04] Urchlay: ah, ok. So that'd work for me then, right? I boot to rl3 [01:04] fire|bird: yah [01:04] Urchlay: What do I have to do to use that? [01:04] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:04] fire|bird: stick something like this at the bottom of rc.local: cut -d' ' -f1 /proc/uptime > /root/boottime.txt [01:05] (possibly /tmp is a better place for it) [01:05] since i don't use kdm or gdm how would i run it after successful login [01:05] into X [01:06] i actually have something else i'd like ran as root after login [01:06] mrselfpwn: what, you want to include the time it takes you to log in interactively? Eh, find out if your window manager allows you to run a script at login time, and stick the cat stuff in there [01:06] oh, but that wouldn't run it as root [01:06] right [01:07] well I can find out for our uptime test, though there is a script i need ran as root though only after login to X [01:07] probly look into using sudo for running that script as root [01:07] and would rather not have to use ktsuss or such and have to type the pass word on every login [01:08] (configure /etc/sudoers for that one user to run that one script as root without a password) [01:08] mhm [01:08] good idea [01:08] i didn't think about that [01:09] just make sure the user can't mess with the script or what it uses [01:09] alternately, write a tiny C program that does system("/path/to/script");, compile it, and make the resulting binary mode 4710, owner root, group some group that only your regular user belongs to (wheel, maybe) [01:09] Urchlay: ok, got that added. Then reboot and run what command? [01:09] fire|bird: cat /root/boottime.txt (or wherever you decided to put it) [01:10] Urchlay: ok, thanks. I'll test that in a sec and see what it gives me. [01:10] fire|bird: should show you in seconds the time from kernel startup to *just* before the login prompt (the login prompt probably takes less than 1/10 sec, it can be ignored) [01:10] ok [01:10] Urchlay: Any times you have for making boot faster? [01:10] s/times/tips/ [01:11] anyone have a cool digital recorder for under 120 bucks? if so, please recommend it to me :D [01:12] eh, lemme see, I used to comment out the module dependency stuff, but I think newer slackware bootscripts don't waste time on that (they check the timestamp on modules.dep or whatever) [01:12] antler: Ugh, not *you* again. :P [01:12] fire|bird: i want to buy a digital recorder :D [01:13] antler: why? :P [01:13] also, you might remove the call to /sbin/ldconfig in /etc/rc.d/rc.M (it shouldn't be needed since every time you install a slackware package, ldconfig gets run whether it's needed or not) [01:13] if you have multiple cores and lots of RAM, it might be worth starting up services in the background (assuming you even are going to run any services) [01:14] Urchlay: ok. I had seen on a site that someone moved the pango, mime, ldconfig, etc stuff from rc.M to a cron.daily job. Is that safe/works, or what? [01:14] heh, I have one core and 1G of ram [01:14] should be fine [01:14] fire|bird [01:14] mrselfpwn [01:14] here are the things i removed from rc.M [01:14] actually daily is probably more often than it's worth running it [01:14] that i run manually later when needed [01:14] fire|bird: there are vocal occurences of which i want copies? [01:15] antler: the voices in your head? [01:15] s/vocal/accoustic [01:15] actually, hm, -current's rc.M runs "ldconfig &" already. So you won't save as much by commenting it out (try it, it may be worth it, or not) [01:15] fire|bird: no, i record those in a book. that's my diary [01:15] haha [01:16] antler: these voices, they have names? [01:16] ihttp://pastebin.com/m712eda68 [01:17] fire|bird: the one i talk to most is Zeno. [01:17] well, that's what he calls himself [01:17] i name that rc.gtk-stuff and place it in /etc/rc.d. I run it every so ofter or after I installpkgs/fonts [01:17] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-23-56-244.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] fire|bird: on old slackware versions (before rc.inet1.conf existed, so you had to edit rc.inet1 to set your IP and default gateway), I used to blow away rc.inet1 completely and just stick explicit "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up ; ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 ; route add default gw 192.168.1.1" or whatever in there. The current incarnation of rc.inet1 is pretty big, you might shave off a second or so by doing that [01:18] however, you can't use the slackware netconfig script if you do that (not that I ever do, on an installed system, but some people might) [01:19] fire|bird: i tell him to get out of my head, and he says, "real motion is not possible. i am here to stay. [01:19] " [01:19] I have a question about wireless actually. [01:20] at one time I tried booting with /bin/sh as a symlink to /bin/ash (instead of bash), but it didn't speed things up any (or slow them down either)... and more modern slackware boot scripts are known to use bash-specific features [01:20] When I am trying to connect to a wireless AP using wicd even if i have anywhere up to 50% signal it gives me an invalid ip. I actually have to get very close to the access point to get the ip. Then once i get it, i can connect anytime later even with a lesser signal strength. [01:20] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] Urchlay: Hmm, ok. My cable Internet is direct connect to the pc (no router, etc.) and it's dhcp. [01:21] antler: Hmm, that's interesting. Have you considered seeking help in #ubuntu? [01:21] Action: fire|bird runs [01:21] bbiab [01:22] Only after it stores the ip in /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd/wlan0.conf or whatever am I able to connect again to the AP from a further distance [01:23] mrselfpwn: did you try telling dhcpcd to request that ip? [01:23] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] or tell it to save that file? [01:23] fire|bird: I bet you get the same IP every time. I've set up a "dynamic" IP statically before and it worked fine for about 3 years, until the cableco changed their routing for whatever reason (then I had to run dhcpcd once to get the new IP, and use it statically instead of the old one) [01:23] that way the issue could be avoided completely [01:24] OTOH, I know a guy in Germany who uses DSL, and his IP changes every 2 hours (downloads or sessions already in progress just die & have to be restarted) [01:25] ouch [01:25] my cable connection at this apartment is dhcp, but i've had the same IP for about a year now [01:26] Any idea why i have to get the IP first by being very close to the router, then able to connect later from farther away? [01:26] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [01:26] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:26] hm, is it a given that all digital recorders (these days) connect to the pc? [01:26] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [01:26] antler: probably? [01:27] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:27] antler: yes. most even support firewire [01:27] damnit [01:27] unless you have one of those stereo-component "audio cd recorders" that's designed to imitate a cassette recorder (those were never real popular I don't think) [01:27] second question. Why does it always insist on disassociating me when I ask a question in IRC [01:28] mrselfpwn: ack. I have no idea, but that sounds really damn annoying [01:28] as I continue to ramble on not knowing that no one can even see my question [01:28] nah, i'm looking at just small recorders, e.g., http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10124606&catid=21129 [01:29] i didn't see "hook it up to your pc" [01:29] antler: what does it record on? [01:29] what i was saying. not sure if you got it. I have to be close to an access point to get a connection. like above 50% for the first time. then after that i can connect from farther away, though only after i connect to it from a close distance first. [01:29] antler: yeah, they almost certainly would have mentioned that as a bullet point, if it could do that [01:29] zaltekk: flash mem [01:29] mrselfpwn: that is really weird. at a long distance it works perfectly fine when already associated? [01:30] mrselfpwn: I saw that, at least. I dunno the answer (you need someone who knows the guts of wireless a whole lot better than I do) [01:30] antler: a _video_ camera with flash memory? that sounds like a very bad idea [01:30] zaltekk: not video [01:30] zaltekk: "sony digital voice recorder", meant to replace tape-based dictation machines [01:30] zaltekk: yet camcorders are increasingly coming out with SD card storage :/ [01:30] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [01:30] OH, audiop recorder [01:30] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] i was googling in slackware for fastest linux boot time -- is there a step by step guide on specific tihngs to disable? Rather than "disable things you don't need, compile a fast kernel" [01:31] i really, really like minidvs [01:31] mini-DV for audio or video? [01:31] video [01:31] LSD`: the only nice camera i have seen lately is my friend's Sony HD camera that records on HDDV tapes [01:31] what's the sony digital recorder that used optical disks, that turned out to use lossy encoding? [01:32] we had the 4-track version of that in one of my old bands [01:32] antler: if it records the audio onto a flash card, like SD, miniSD, or microSD, you can easily use a USB adapater to put it on your computer [01:32] i don't know if a usb or firewire out is standard on audio recorders [01:32] zaltekk, what it's doing is dhcpcd is getting an ip when i am close. then when i go to reconnect from farther away, it asks the dhcp from the router for the same ip which the router happily gives it again. If i am not close to the router though and have never connected to it before, it is unable to get a valid ip from it and defaults to 169.254.*.* because there is no ip in the dhcpc config file for wlan0 to ask for. [01:32] Urchlay: the minCDs? [01:33] zaltekk: that might be it. They weren't actually CD-compatible at all, might have just been called "minidisc" [01:33] mrselfpwn: how many access points have had this problem? [01:33] Urchlay: yes, i believe it was called a minidisk player. [01:33] everyone that I encounter [01:33] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:33] i have to be above atleast 50% to get the valid ip the first time. [01:33] raela|alt (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] mrselfpwn: only with wicd? [01:34] zaltekk: oh, didn't even think of that. i do have a card reader [01:34] yes, with wicd [01:34] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:34] zaltekk: this one used a 4-track format (instead of 2-track aka stereo), and had a simple mixer and some editing controls. Wish I still had it, it was better than tape, even if it was lossy [01:34] antler: i have a blackberry and the usb cable, but with linux i just use a memory card adapter...i've never even tried using the cable for it. plus, transfer speeds can only be faster if it bypasses the device [01:35] (better than cassette tape anyway. Not as good as 1 inch analog tape, or DAT) [01:35] i didn't try with iwconfig, i know now I should have though hind sight is 20/20 [01:35] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [01:35] mrselfpwn: i always have trouble associating with iwconfig [01:35] zaltekk: yeah, some don't list whether that memory is removable or not [01:35] it seems that i eventually perform voodoo magic on accident and get it to work [01:36] Urchlay: lossy is good :D [01:36] antler: if it doesn't have an SD card, it must give you _some_ type of way to transfer it off the recorder [01:36] antler: for studio gear? not really [01:36] i just don't understand why if it doesn't have an ip to ask for it can't get one. but if it does then it gets it from dhcp [01:36] shouldn't it get one from the router regardless? [01:36] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-173-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] mrselfpwn: i'm guessing the problem is with dhcp. are you using dhcpcd? or dhclient? [01:36] (eh, but these days everyone just uses a high-end PC with $thousands worth of software for digital recording) [01:36] dhcpcd [01:37] Urchlay: yeah, for the most part, same ip, it changes every once in a blue moon. Maybe like once a month or something. I'm not sure. [01:37] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:37] mrselfpwn: try using dhclient, and see if that fixes it [01:37] sometimes it will work with dhclient and not dhcpcd [01:37] mrselfpwn: if so, there may be some sort of timeout setting to play with [01:37] though lol, on the other hand sometimes it's the other way around. [01:37] Urchlay: i like the way records sound [01:37] mrselfpwn: faulty wireless card? [01:38] i don't think so. i was thinking maybe one of the antennas came disconnected [01:38] i haven't looked yet though. [01:38] antler: yeah, but for recording, mixing, editing, and mastering, you want either lossless digital or the very highest quality analog you can get (as close to lossless as possible) [01:38] fire|bird: heh, wikipedia says a blue moon occurs "on average about every 2.7154 years", I always wondered about that :) [01:39] should i try installing an alternative dhcp client such as pump or udhcpc? [01:39] haha [01:39] Urchlay: and now we know. :) [01:39] mrselfpwn: you most likely already have dhclient [01:39] Urchlay: yeah. i believe whtat i meant to say earlier was, "re audio: i like analog to digital" [01:39] mrselfpwn: I doubt that would help, it sounds like the trouble is in the wireless layer, not at the IP layer (that's more of a guesstimate than a proper diagnosis though) [01:39] hi [01:39] (well with music anyway) [01:40] anyway. brb, gonna reboot and check time. [01:40] are you suggesting faulty hardware or configuration Urchlay? [01:40] antler: yeah. I like analog too, I'd rather do 1" digital tape for studio masters than anything digital. [01:40] Urchlay: he seems to only have problems while getting a new IP from dhcp. the network works fine otherwise [01:40] right [01:40] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "I'm Leaving" [01:40] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [01:40] mrselfpwn: faulty driver possibly. I sorta doubt the hardware's actually faulty (maybe the onboard firmware is buggy though?) [01:41] i have to be close to get the IP initionally [01:41] once i have it then i can connect from far away [01:41] hmm [01:41] antler: if I could afford it, I'd be playing bass through an all-tube amp with 4 or 6 power tubes... a head like that costs $2500 or more these days though :( [01:42] it's atheros using the athk5 kernel module [01:43] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] maybe i should try the madwifi to see if i get a different result [01:43] hmmm, is that the module that comes with the kernel? See if madwifi supports that card, I have a card that works with either, but it sucks pretty bad with the in-kernel driver (randomly freezes, refuses to sync at higher than 1Mbit/sec, etc) [01:43] Urchlay: ive got a Peavy JSX but i got a helluva deal on it cuz my friend works at guitar center [01:43] mrselfpwn: i was told in #linux-wireless(i think that was the channel..) that ath5k has been significantly improved lately [01:43] yes, it's the kernel module [01:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:43] that 2.6.26 i was running was very old for using that driver [01:43] phillipsm: Joe Satriani series? Bet that sounds *sweet* [01:44] and i actually found that the driver limited me to a 1Mbps speed [01:44] well, did just upgrade to 2.6.30.1 [01:44] because the rate setting part didn't work [01:44] and haven't tested it since the upgrade [01:44] mrselfpwn: did you update compat-wireless? [01:44] Urchlay: yep when its recorded it sounds just like listening to a cd...the distortion is so creamy [01:44] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:44] Urchlay: :P, boottime.txt was created, but is empty. [01:44] compat-wireless? [01:44] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:44] hm, MSRP: $1679.99, street price would be what, $1500 or less? Cheaper than I thought (but then Peavey stuff has already been lower priced, even though it's good & solid gear) [01:45] raelakoira (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] fire|bird: typo then? [01:45] http://google.com/search?q=kernel+org+compat+wireless [01:45] fire|bird [01:45] heh, probably. [01:45] mrselfpwn [01:45] i got it for 900 straight from the factory...my friend gets cost + tax since he works there [01:45] put cut -d' ' -f1 /proc/uptime > /root/boottime.txt [01:45] in rc.local [01:45] mrselfpwn: it has updated wireless drivers...i don't know if you got that with your new kernel or not [01:45] i'm still new to linux :) [01:45] phillipsm: *nice* [01:45] hmm, thanks zaltekk. let me check [01:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [01:45] yep its my baby [01:46] Pat is creeping ever so close to 2.6.30.x [01:46] phillipsm: I own a solid state Peavey bass head, but haven't used it since I got my Hartke (solid state, but with a real preamp tube) [01:46] mrselfpwn: i stumbled upon it when needing to patch the mac80211 driver for use with aircrack-ng [01:46] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [01:46] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [01:46] Urchlay: mrselfpwn space typo. :P [01:46] yeah the ones with preamp tubes at least have a good live sound...the prob with solid state is they have no tone in a mic...or bass at all [01:46] FooDown (i=1000@70.94.221.53) joined ##slackware. [01:47] hey there is some problem with my cron,after adding an entry to run every minute it seems not to run [01:47] phillipsm: Also, the only 6-string I own is one of these: http://www.rocknrollweekend.com/peavey_t%2060.htm [01:47] ok, brb again. [01:47] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [01:47] Urchlay: can you give me a hand on that [01:47] (eh, guitar. I do have a 6-string Ibanez bass, but hate the way it sounds) [01:48] yes i plan on using aircrack as well zaltekk [01:48] init[1]: eh, show me your crontab entry? [01:48] yep.. to the pastebin 1 sec [01:48] mrselfpwn: okay. then you'll want to download the latest stable compat-wireless anyway [01:48] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:48] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Urchlay: http://www.kellyindustries.com/guitars/jackson_dkmgt.html [01:49] theres mine [01:49] okay [01:49] string-thru-body but no tremolo... I might like that [01:50] actually i take that back mine has a floyd-rose...but i have it locked down cuz i cant stand it [01:50] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:50] I tend to prefer guitars without the tremolo, I never use the damn thing, and I prefer my bridge to be bolted down & unable to move (the string-thru design sort of doesn't even *have* a bridge) [01:50] 47.22 [01:51] did you use comment out the lines i showed you in my rc.gtk-stuff fire|bird? [01:51] Urchlay: http://pastebin.com/m7fb27c1c [01:51] Urchlay: yeah i actually prefer a les paul style bridge...its easier to play metal shit on [01:51] fire|bird: you can do better than that, surely :) [01:51] Urchlay: indeed. [01:51] mrselfpwn: not yet, just wanted to see what it was as is. [01:52] mrselfpwn: ah, :P, got that pastebin again, :( [01:52] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:52] you will knock off atleast 10 seconds [01:52] http://pastebin.com/m712eda68 [01:52] Urchlay: hal daemon is 7 seconds alone. :P [01:52] * * * * * init fetchmail -v <--- why are you trying to run the command "init fetchmail -v"? [01:52] mrselfpwn: thanks [01:52] Urchlay: init is my user name [01:53] lmao [01:53] phillipsm: I'm really a bass player, I pretty much only use a guitar for writing music... so I guess I want a guitar thats as bass-like as possible :) [01:53] raelakoira (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:53] init[1]: you don't need your username in crontab [01:53] Urchlay Harris [01:54] here's an actual working crontab entry from mine: [01:54] Urchlay, mrselfpwn: what do the two of you plan on doing with these extra seconds you shave off on those "once in a blue moon"(aka ~2 years) that you _need_ to reboot? [01:54] 0 0,6,12,18 * * * cd /home/urchlay/slackbuilds/sbo && /usr/bin/rsync -avz rsync://rsync.slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds . &> /home/urchlay/slackbuilds/rsync.out [01:54] yeah... my bassist just got a peavy base thats pretty nice...its got active pickups and a preamp on the guitar [01:54] i think you've already spent more time improving your boot speeds than you will ever end up saving on those reboots [01:54] raelakoira (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] i will stare at my screen blankly for that much longer after I boot zaltekk [01:54] Urchlay: it usally worked .. [01:54] gabriel: Actually, I was playing some triplet-ey stuff today and went "Hey, I sound almost like Steve Harris" :) [01:54] yea i will remove it [01:54] hah [01:55] rhys_android (n=fircuser@m455336d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] mrselfpwn: i always have the urge to walk away when i reboot [01:55] rhys_android (n=fircuser@m455336d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] phillipsm: is it a Cirrus? Those are *nice* basses, I played one at a store & wanted to walk out with it [01:55] and my computer is always at the login prompt before i return [01:55] Actually, some douche (and I mean douche) posted a youtube vid about windows xp beating ubuntu's boot up time. Even though in the vid he actually logged into ubuntu and xp was auto login. [01:56] zaltekk: honestly I'm not that interested in shaving seconds off my boot time, fire|bird and someone else were asking about it so I threw out some ideas :) [01:56] and now i have my new laptop sitting on the desk with my old desktop monitor&keyboard to the right of it(not a _really_ old monitor...it is a 19" lcd) [01:56] http://www.modernguitars.com/imagefiles/2006summernamm/dayone/DSC_6140.gif [01:56] so i have another box to distract me :P [01:56] like this one but with a white finish and gold hardware [01:56] hmmm, those are EMGs? [01:57] (can't really read the logo on the pickups) [01:57] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:57] yup at least his are but those look like emg's too [01:57] rhys_android (n=fircuser@m455336d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] zaltekk: I used to build tiny embedded linux "appliances" (routers/firewalls and single-application thin clients), shaving seconds off boot time was a worthy goal on those [01:58] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:58] also I like to boot faster because i'm constantly rebooting to test my boot-up tweaks and i like to test them as quickly as possible [01:58] Urchlay: sure. but a second isn't much on a PC [01:58] the time is gold! [01:58] unless it is a second here, a second there...times 15 or 20 [01:58] phillipsm: my main axe looks identical to this one: http://www.ianperge.com/images/pictures/fender.jpg [01:59] so it's a never ending cycle which extends into the 10th dimension. [01:59] mrselfpwn: I don't have an Update our Desktop Database section in rc.M [01:59] (except the volume/tone knobs are silver cause I couldn't find black ones & now I'm used to the way it looks) [01:59] yes i know [01:59] you can leave it in the script though [01:59] that looks like a way short scale unless its a compressed picture or something? [01:59] mrselfpwn: ok. [02:00] also, actually search for the command being run fire|bird [02:00] not the commented section [02:00] raela|alt (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [02:00] eh, must be the image. The scale's the same as a regular fender j-bass or p-bass (think it's 34.5") [02:00] because they change those sometimes though the command is the same. :) [02:00] and, things in there like bluetooth, etc. that I have disabled in rc.d and don't use, I can comment out those? [02:00] SpyKee (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:00] yeah...it looks like a solid guitar though [02:00] yes, comment out bluetooth [02:01] searching for LUNS [02:01] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-23-56-244.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER" [02:01] LVM if you don't have any LVMs [02:01] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [02:01] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [02:01] would you like to see my rc.S/M ? [02:01] mrselfpwn: and it's alright to comment out the other stuff that I don't use? correct? [02:01] hey, he clapped himself to death... [02:01] yep [02:01] clap on.....clap off. :) [02:01] just make sure you comment out the entire section [02:01] mrselfpwn: that sounds like a pickup line: "would you like to see my rc.S/M ?" [02:01] from if to fi [02:02] mrselfpwn: ok. [02:02] Urchlay: hahaha [02:02] lol [02:02] only if she is a linux geek [02:02] urchlay, i dont want to see the bars you visit [02:02] lmao [02:02] I DO!!! [02:02] what's snmpd? [02:02] heh, and if she's into leather too? (I used to know a girl who was a linux geek and into the whole goth/S&M thing, but eh, she was not attractive... plus she was actually scary) [02:03] sigh. theyd just be ubuntu using airheads anyway. [02:03] if you don't know what it is you can safely remove it. joking ;) [02:03] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [02:03] lol [02:03] .....whats wrong with leather? :-( [02:03] damn Urchlay [02:03] nothing wrong with leather, except when this girl wore it :( [02:03] hahahhahaa [02:03] lol? [02:03] let me check mine fire|bird [02:03] leather rebel [02:04] she shamed the cow [02:04] so question. should i get out of bed right now with the gf to go to steak and shake? [02:04] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:04] Action: gabriel is playing Judas Priest - Leather Rebel [02:04] the leather probably looked better when it was still on the cow, you mean? [02:04] are you into rc.S or M fire|bird? [02:04] M [02:04] ha! [02:04] XD [02:05] gabriel: I was supposed to play "breakin the law" the other night, but the guy who was going to sing it, forgot to learn the words :( [02:05] hahaha [02:05] lol [02:05] worst jokes ever. this channel needs purged. [02:05] I'm no help, all I can remember is beavis & butthead going "breakin the law! breakin the law!" [02:05] so. steaknshake or no? we cant decide. [02:06] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:06] As a former Stean n Shake manager, I'd advise NO. [02:06] rhys_android: depends. You actually hungry for food, or just a milk shake? I wouldn't eat their burgers & such... [02:06] it's for network monitoring I would leave [02:06] the shakes aren't bad, especially now that the Denny's is closed :( [02:06] True dat, Urchlay. The shakes are alright. [02:06] it [02:06] milkshake! but i like their burgers.... [02:07] cheap [02:07] alright, gonna test boot time now. :) [02:07] yay urchlay's cow girl. ;-) [02:07] fire|bird [02:07] http://linux.die.net/man/8/snmpd [02:07] check that real quick then make a decisoin [02:07] rhys_android: she wasn't mine... though I guess she coulda been [02:08] urchlay, didnt have a barn to put her in? [02:08] yes, i do think it is used by network management [02:08] mrselfpwn: alright. I don't think I need that, but left it there just in case. [02:08] yeah [02:08] so, brb. :) [02:08] same here [02:08] i got pinged? [02:08] y0 nix_chix0r, how are you? [02:08] hmm. to steaknshake it is. [02:09] rc.S or rc.M nix_chix0r [02:09] ? [02:09] or both [02:09] her best friend was cute and dumb, 19, and had a kid and a divorce already... and managed to score a $90K/yr job maintaining perl scripts, based on her looks and ability to impress interviewers [02:09] mrselfpwn, say what [02:09] she knew less about perl than, ehhh, probably anyone in this channel, even if they've never used it [02:09] urchlay....wth? strangest thing ive heard for a while [02:10] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [02:10] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [02:10] nothing, Urchlay, was talking about some of the bars he frequents. [02:10] "whoa, hot girl who knows how to pronounce Linux, hire her!" [02:10] Urchlay: $90k a year just to maintain? [02:10] zaltekk: possibly she would eventually have been writing new ones, not sure [02:10] and 'helping' the bosses [02:10] I want that job :P [02:11] maybe they gave her the crufty old stuff to fix, just as a test [02:11] oh wait...not the 'helping' the bosses part [02:11] whore. [02:11] =[ [02:11] screwing the boss for 90,000 a year [02:11] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:11] zaltekk, you like the rc.S and /M too? [02:11] anyway she was hanging out in my old #!/usr/bin/perl IRC channel getting us IRC nerds to do all her work for her, and it actually worked for her for a while, even after I quit answering her questions [02:12] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] lol [02:12] (other, more gullible or desperate people, kept "helping" her) [02:12] like Shrp_ [02:12] 34.98 [02:12] heh [02:12] Urchlay, guys will do that if they have a suspcision the woman will pay attention [02:12] nice [02:13] fire|bird [02:13] mrselfpwn: getting better. :) [02:13] BTW, this girl (both these girls) lived 10 miles from me, I met them in person, and so I know there *are* girls on IRC :) [02:13] man.. im in bed. i should get some of this "helping" too. [02:13] Urchlay: proof...find them. :) [02:13] a girl is in this channel, shes reading over my shoulder. [02:14] fire|bird [02:14] my rc.M; [02:14] Urchlay: my girlfriend refers to irc(or irssi, actually) as me "talking to my friends in my magic black box"(the magic black box is a terminal) [02:14] rhys_android: there's nix_chix0r in here. :) [02:14] nix_chix0r: she was 19, divorced, had a kid she acted like she didn't care about, and was a drug user who became a dealer to support her habit. If you met her, you'd probably think "trailer trash ho", if you were feeling charitable [02:14] http://pastebin.com/d5662363b [02:14] why she isnt under the covers, i dunno. yes girl, im talking to you [02:14] mrselfpwn: ok [02:14] ha pathetic Urchlay [02:14] I decided to disable cups as well as i don't use this netbook to print much and can always run it later at will [02:14] mornin [02:14] hey tewmten [02:14] how goes? [02:15] hoi fire|bird [02:15] mrselfpwn: yeah, I need cups. [02:15] im all good [02:15] zaltekk: I had a gf who referred to IRC as "talking to the pretend people inside your computer". She either didn't believe the other people on IRC were real, or she was messing with my mind and wanted me to think that.... [02:15] tewmten: good to hear. :) [02:15] but i was up until like 1:30 yesterday trying to fix this stupid problem we had [02:15] hey any one have weird chest pains for no reason i get it sometimes not like super bad but it happens on occasion [02:15] mrselfpwn: I swear, if I disabled hal daemon, boot time would be in the mid 20s range. [02:15] lol Urchlay...at least mine acknowledges that they are real :P [02:15] :P [02:15] nix [02:15] nix_chix0r: it's probably not "for no reason"... [02:16] hmm [02:16] nix, theyre cramps. everyone gets them [02:16] i can't exactly describe it [02:16] nix_chix0r: /quit *HEART ATTACK!!!* [02:16] ? [02:16] um [02:16] haahaha [02:16] naw it isn't like that [02:16] i think we really need hald [02:16] rhys, cramping kinda explains it [02:16] Action: Urchlay is not a doctor, does not play one on TV, and hasn't dressed up as Doctor Who in 20 years [02:16] your chest has muscles [02:16] or actually, that causes pain on the back of your right shoulder [02:16] http://linux.die.net/man/8/hald [02:16] i have been going to the gym [02:16] it hurts quite badly [02:16] pengo (i=1000@95.58.178.24) joined ##slackware. [02:17] have you seen the jackson accident video? [02:17] for instance, wicd wouldn't work without it I don't think [02:17] makes sense [02:17] nix_chix0r, there are some muscles deep in your chest. [02:17] heh. I can see it now... [02:17] root@box# /etc/rc.d/rc.hald stop [02:17] rhys_android, if i wasn't going to the gym what's the cause for them to be cramping like that [02:17] I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that. [02:17] but you can always take pictures if you think we can diagnose it. [02:17] lol [02:18] always freaks me out thinking i'm haaving a heart attack but it goes away with in minues [02:18] i had acute pericarditis...and wow, did it hurt [02:18] mrselfpwn: yeah, just sayin, it'd be faster. :) [02:18] minutes* [02:18] also your mouse depends on HAL [02:18] gf says chest cramps happen even if you dont go to the gym [02:18] sukaeto (i=1069@113.254.108.102) joined ##slackware. [02:18] mrselfpwn: yeah, I won't disable it. :P [02:18] motherfuckers.. now i just received an email [02:18] yeah weird, thanks rhys_android [02:18] mrselfpwn: could I see your rc.S too? [02:18] ys [02:18] nix_chix0r: like i said before, your heart doesn't cause pain in your chest really...it hurts on your shoulder [02:18] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: [02:18] the problems yesterday, which they called me and woke me up for, is the customers fault, and not our [02:18] damnit [02:18] it's annoying [02:18] it felt like someone was ripping my right arm off [02:19] mrselfpwn: eh, X might use HAL for mouse detection, but I seriously doubt it's actually *required* for the mouse to work (if only because the mouse worked on my pre-HAL Slackware 3 through 11 machines) [02:19] zaltekk, ok [02:19] im so tired today [02:19] no not required [02:19] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:19] though for programs to manipulate it it is like qsynaptics [02:19] (Girlfriend) yay! stean and shake time¡ [02:19] if i'm not mistaken [02:20] fail [02:20] tangibledaydream (n=daydream@c-69-143-67-38.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:20] actually I'm amused, X gets my mouse almost but not quite correctly detected: (II) config/hal: Adding input device ThinkPS/2 Kensington ThinkingMouse [02:20] it's really a Kensington Expert Mouse [02:20] http://pastebin.com/d275845a2 [02:20] mines a SynPS/2 [02:21] hm, interesting, X correctly detects 4 buttons too [02:21] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:21] who has mikkshake flavor suggestions for us? [02:21] CcSsNET (n=user@98.216.161.213) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:21] nix_chix0r: the way that wikipedia describes it is "chest pain, radiating to the back" [02:21] you are on a laptop Urchlay? [02:21] (there are 4 physical buttons, I'd always thought the 4th one was wired to the 3rd one, since they always did the same thing... but I just tried button 4 and it does nothing, where 3 does a middle-click) [02:22] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] hmm [02:22] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:22] mrselfpwn: no. This "mouse" is an old ps/2 trackball with a ball almost as big as the cue ball from a pool table [02:22] hah [02:22] yeah haven't had those kinda pains yet so my ticker must still be good [02:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trackball-Kensington-ExpertMouse5.jpg [02:22] luckily mine is still good too. [02:22] mine's exactly like that [02:22] mrselfpwn: thanks. [02:23] if smoking doesn't kill me first [02:23] wikipedia says "it can use a standard American pool ball", I always thought that was a myth [02:23] yay smoking! [02:23] although i don't plan on running marathons [02:23] who's the monkey smoking a cigarette in that picture Urchlay? [02:23] (a pool ball would be too damn heavy anyway) [02:23] Wasn't there someone in here one time that had boot down to like 15s or so? Was that still functional, hal, etc.? [02:23] mrselfpwn: eh? [02:23] just trying to get more people to click on it. [02:23] i'm excited that i'm able to squat more than 150lbs now. that's good for me cause i'm squatting more than my weight [02:24] :) [02:24] np fire|bird [02:24] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-197280.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:24] maybe ii'll start a womens rugby team here [02:24] pretty cool though Urchlay [02:24] nix_chix0r, if youre around chicago or cleveland we should party. [02:24] mrselfpwn: I thought maybe you were looking at a URL I posted a while back (a picture of me, possibly smoking a cigarette, can't remember) [02:24] lol [02:25] no but when you first posted the link above before i clicked it I imagined it being of you at your desk smoking a cigarette using your mouse ball for some reason. [02:25] i want to party with glow sticks one day [02:25] that would be pimpin [02:26] never been much of a raver but i could do it once [02:26] you could pierce you nipples with glow sticks i think. [02:26] nix_chix0r: you mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkbB-X9654s [02:26] pengo (i=1000@95.58.178.24) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [02:26] black lights...glow sticks...and clothing with white on it [02:26] makes for an interesting scene [02:26] naw i dont want to slap my face with glow sticks [02:26] lmao [02:26] i thought you weren't running a marathon? [02:26] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] apocalypse party [02:27] no no no [02:27] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-197280.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [02:27] well if i was at a rave yano jumpin around like kris cross [02:27] kk. drive time adios [02:27] TecnoViking!!! [02:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1nzEFMjkI4 [02:27] mrselfpwn: alright, got that edited. :) [02:27] bai bai rhys_android [02:28] tellingya. IRC party. [02:28] if you have never seen TechnoViking please watch. [02:28] mrselfpwn: speed test time again. :) [02:28] whats a good CLI mp3 player? mp321 or something like that? i can't remember the correct name [02:28] rhys_android (n=fircuser@m455336d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.91.189) joined ##slackware. [02:28] cmus zaltekk [02:28] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [02:29] wtf is he smoking? [02:29] zaltekk, mpg321 is ok. for track in *.mp3; do mpg321 track; done :-) [02:30] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:30] slava_dp: that is the one i was thinking of. but i thought the g was a random brain error [02:30] forgot the $ in $track =) [02:30] lol [02:30] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:31] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] good night [02:31] 36.63 [02:31] 02:00 am here in Chile [02:31] that is more isn't it fire|bird [02:31] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:31] mrselfpwn: I belive so. what the heck. :P [02:32] what was my time before. Can someone scroll up and check please? [02:32] watch this one with subtitles. it's hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRs8PyqKKs [02:32] why not just "mpg321 *.mp3" then? [02:33] iirc the player only accepts a single track at a time :-) might be wrong though. [02:33] i think i remeber having a weird issue when i told it to play all of the mp3s [02:33] a loop is fancier looking nevertheless =] [02:34] Ctrl+C made it just skip to a new mp3 ;P [02:34] mrselfpwn: fwiw, it *seems* faster. [02:34] bbiab [02:34] cat * > tmp && mpg321 tmp [02:35] cmus is an ncurses based music player with support for playlists, library, file navigation, etc. [02:35] okay fire|bird [02:35] tank-man, lol it won't play this way, there are mp3 headers too [02:35] yea but some players can play bad mp3s :) [02:36] ping fire|bird [02:37] zaltekk: yes, that's actually useful behaviour (hold down ctrl-c for a second or so to make it really exit) [02:37] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.164) joined ##slackware. [02:37] mpg321 *.mp3 <--- when it gets to a song you don't want to hear, hit ctrl-C to skip it [02:38] Urchlay: i was thinking pressing it twice quickly exited [02:38] idk, running cmus with tilda is just extremely cool to me. [02:38] probably so [02:38] anyway, i quickly figured it out [02:38] holding it down is the lazy way to quit it :) [02:38] cmus sounds like it is worth checking out [02:38] these days I use mplayer as a console mp3 player [02:38] yes zaltekk [02:39] cause I need to be able to skip around in the mp3, if it's a song I'm trying to learn [02:39] (how the hell does he play that? lemme hear that bit again...) [02:39] http://cmus.sourceforge.net/ zaltekk [02:40] check out the screenshots at the bottom also [02:40] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:40] if you also install tilda as i've done you can run cmus in it and hide/show it with a key command [02:41] just something on another tty is fine for me [02:41] this comp is just a local server that i tend to run irssi on [02:41] oh okay [02:42] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-197280.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[02:53] i'm so tired [02:53] sore [02:53] | [02:53] classic [02:53] (< ...o... A [02:53] i played for about an hour, sweat crazy at the park then went to the gym [02:53] . | [02:53] (IRC pac-man) [02:53] and i had more energy for basketball [02:53] isn't that weird? [02:54] oh, fire|bird. I meant to ask. You did re-enable compact in lilo.conf after you boot up troubles right? [02:54] yeah [02:54] heh, 02:49 -!- Captured URL #666 http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.30.1 from mrselfpwn [02:54] okay, just checking [02:55] you're all turds [02:55] your URL is the URL of the Beast? [02:55] mrselfpwn: and I still have fastboot=1 as well. [02:55] jeev: takes one to know one. [02:55] oh, damn [02:55] what fire|bird [02:55] what a grown up!! [02:55] BP{k}, yeah [02:55] but there is no link [02:55] for the d/l [02:55] or the one is broken [02:56] i guess I will get it from launchpad :( [02:56] hrrr, lilo has a "fastboot=1" option? [02:56] (or is that a kernel option?) [02:56] john_dee (n=id@217.118.90.199) joined ##slackware. [02:57] option with latest kernels [02:57] Urchlay: 2.6.30.1 has it. [02:57] i think that is the kernel. compact is a lilo option that will help a _lot_ if it is enabled [02:57] at least on my laptop it is almost required to have a decent boot time [02:57] mrselfpwn: any more tips for squeezing some more speed out of it? [02:58] let me see [02:58] aside from removing more unnecessary options from the kernel: [03:00] i don't know if setting the loglevel=3 will actually speed anything up, but it shows less output when booting [03:00] fire|bird: here's an idea: create and chmod +x a shell script consisting of that uptime command thingy, then a line "exec /bin/bash". If the script is "/tmp/blah", boot the kernel with "init=/tmp/blah" [03:00] are you using uptime or initng fire|bird? [03:00] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.126) joined ##slackware. [03:01] fire|bird: that'll tell you how long the kernel boot process takes (plus the 0.1 seconds or so that it takes to run the shell script) [03:01] eh, I guess your bootgraph thing already tells you that though [03:02] there are actually init alternatives like initng that are supposed to decrease boot time very significantly. though i haven't used them as of yet [03:02] the idea being, know how much of your boot time is the kernel and how much is init scripts doing their thing [03:03] the one ubuntu uses is called uptime i believe [03:03] as the init replacer [03:03] if you're running VESA framebuffer (or even a card-specific framebuffer driver), all those kernel messages that scroll by are probably using up a couple of seconds [03:03] mrselfpwn: fwiw, here's my kernel config: http://www.pastebin.ca/1496716 [03:03] mrselfpwn: no, no uptime or initng [03:03] yep, Urchlay is right [03:04] Urchlay: yeah, my kernel is taking 15.34 seconds [03:04] set loglevel=3 on the append line in lilo [03:04] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [03:04] mrselfpwn: what does that do? [03:04] Hello! [03:04] hi [03:04] outputs only critical errors [03:05] basically, less output when booting [03:05] less verbosity [03:05] the "loglevel=3" would help with slow-ass VESA framebuffer. "vga=normal" would help even more (plain VGA text mode hauls ass compared to any framebuffer, because the video card draws the characters and the host CPU just tells it "draw character #3" or whatever. In fb mode, the host CPU draws the character, requires sending several times as much data to the card) [03:05] also, VESA framebuffer does *slow* memory-copying when it scrolls [03:05] though, i'm using kms [03:05] Urchlay: Hmm, I'm using vga=795 [03:06] which brings me to my next question. [03:06] plain text mode (a) has an order of magnitude less memory that needs to be moved when it scrolls, and (b) can get a hardware assist from the card anyway [03:06] what video card do you have fire|bird? [03:06] mrselfpwn: Nvidia Geforce FX5200 [03:06] ahh [03:06] kms isn't supported on Nvidia cards as of yet afaik [03:07] fire|bird: if you spend most of your time in X, "vga=normal" is probably fine (the plain text console is 80x25, which might result in larger characters than you'd want, but if you're in X almost all the time, who cares?) [03:07] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] Urchlay: true. So, vga=normail, that equals faster boot as well? [03:07] yes, though not as pretty [03:07] s/normail/normal/ [03:08] mrselfpwn: Hmm, interesting. That's worth a shot. [03:08] no penguins at the top [03:08] If I want to see penquins, I'll google. [03:08] lol [03:08] yes [03:08] add loglevel=3 to append and [03:08] vga=normal in place of whatever vga= now [03:08] fire|bird: should, yes. I haven't actually timed it, but I do know vga=normal gives you *much* faster text output (no need to time it, just cat a file that's a couple hundred lines, with and without framebuffer) [03:09] mrselfpwn: done and done. :) [03:09] i'll look at your config file while you reboot [03:09] Does *alot* have to do with bus speed, etc. too? [03:09] mrselfpwn: ok [03:10] a lot of what? [03:10] why do you have config_agp_intel set? [03:10] (imagine I'm saying that in an Austin Powers voice...) [03:10] and not nvidia [03:10] Urchlay: boot speed. [03:10] mrselfpwn: Argh, I didn't know I did. :P [03:11] bus speed matters, so does the transfer rate of your disks [03:11] yes, lol you have intel set and not nvidia, though you own a nvidia card. O_o [03:12] I dunno what the actual bottleneck is (the shell itself? doubtful) [03:12] nvidia,intel_agp are both loaded for me. intel mobo and nvidia video card. [03:12] Urchlay: I just ask because I have this other box (windows) that seems a lot faster at things, yet processor and ram are lower, so I assume the bus and other things must be faster, and it has cpu, etc. sensors too, but doesn't have sata. :( [03:12] okay, though he doesn't have nvidia agp turned on [03:12] mrselfpwn: Well, there will be another kernel compile. :P [03:13] yeah, to enable the correct nvidia agp would be good [03:13] mrselfpwn: ok, will do. I'll wait to see if you notice anything else first. [03:13] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:14] but first, brb. [03:14] :) [03:14] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:14] fire|bird: could be bus speed, or anyway the speed of the RAM. Also remember some (all?) mobos that use DDR, are able to use them singly, but can interleave for faster access if they're installed in pairs (does anyone know if this applies to DDR2 and the newer RAM types?) [03:14] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving." [03:15] not sure Urchlay [03:15] I had a box with 4 DDR slots, it would run with only one stick, but was faster with two (but IIRC only if they were the same size) [03:15] hmm [03:16] and only if they were in slots 0/1 or 2/3 (if I used slots 0 and 2, or 1 and 3, it was the same speed as a single stick) [03:16] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:16] whoa, that sure *seemed* faster [03:16] no idea whether that's useful information or obsolete arcane trivia [03:16] :) [03:16] checking times now. [03:16] hmmm, I had forgotten that : you can't play robots and have your score recorded if you're not root, that's bad =/ [03:16] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:16] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs fire|bird :D [03:16] Awww [03:16] y0 Camarade_Tux :) [03:17] john_dee (n=id@217.118.90.199) left irc: "link closed" [03:17] yo fire|bird, hi everybody :) [03:17] tux [03:17] ewww..so gay [03:17] mrselfpwn: bootchart reports 23 [03:17] hello Camarade_Tux [03:17] Action: Urchlay puts on his hug-proof jacket [03:17] niiice [03:17] greetings [03:17] fire|bird: what was it before? [03:17] Urchlay: 43 [03:17] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.164) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:18] what all did you change, this time around? vga=normal and what else? [03:18] loglevel=3 [03:18] yo mrselfpwn, yo aperturefever :) [03:18] Action: Camarade_Tux kisses Urchlay on the chicks [03:18] Would it be okay to load his .config file by running make menuconfig to look at his options and not save. Should be okay to do right? [03:18] 16.63 for that boottime.txt thing. :) [03:18] you forgot to protect that! :P [03:18] \o/ [03:18] fire|bird: vga=normal made your boot faster? [03:18] much faster fire|bird [03:18] Camarade_Tux: yeah [03:18] fire|bird: I told ya! [03:18] mrselfpwn: significantly faster. [03:19] he also added loglevel=3 [03:19] Camarade_Tux: you haven't looked at my bootgraph yet. :P [03:19] last time I silenced the boot procedure, the only thing left was "INIT version 2.x booting" or so :) [03:19] how long does it usually take for a release candidate to become a release? [03:19] and then the login prompt ;p [03:19] so there was this guy with five penises in a clothes store trying on pants, when the clerk asks him how they fit [03:19] lol [03:19] "like a glove" he says [03:20] flame_me: the time it takes, it we have no answer ;) [03:20] lmao [03:20] me [03:20] http://pastebin.com/m462dba84 [03:20] s/me/meh/ [03:20] any ideas? [03:21] tewmten: hahahaha [03:21] I wasn't looking for an exact time, just an estimate based on past releases [03:21] anyway, thanks for the tip [03:21] mrselfpwn: I can't believe that shaved of SO MUCH time. [03:21] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:21] yeah really [03:21] It's awesome [03:21] slackbuild for ooo broken on slackware64 (or rather the .info file) [03:21] i can't use that option on mine fire|bird [03:21] mrselfpwn: why? [03:21] fire|bird: here it saved *more* than 6 seconds ;) [03:21] (loglevel I mean) [03:22] because with kms you don't even use a vga= option [03:22] Camarade_Tux: It saved quite a bit here too. :) [03:22] mrselfpwn: ah [03:22] the kernel grabs the vid card directly [03:22] mrselfpwn: see any more with my kernel config? [03:22] mrselfpwn: do you get better performance from kms than vesafb gave? [03:22] i'm gonna load it with make menu config to get a better look fire|bird [03:22] mrselfpwn: ok. thanks. [03:22] yes, zaltekk a much smother performance [03:22] i was thinking about using it to make 1920x1200 operate at a usable pace [03:23] vga=normal and loglevel=3, and nothing else, was enough to cut your boot time in half? Interesting... [03:23] grr [03:23] Camarade_Tux: so, how's it going? Hows that browser coming? [03:23] Urchlay: yeah, it's awesome. ALOT faster. [03:23] that is amazing aye Urchlay [03:23] fire|bird: now you see what I meant by "the feeling that display takes time" ;) [03:24] Camarade_Tux: yeah :) [03:24] how much info do you lose in the boot messages? (and, is that stuff still there in dmesg? cause sometimes you need it) [03:24] I think it's because he doesn't have his nvidia agp built in the kernel, though i may be wrong [03:24] fire|bird: don't have much time to spend on it, but it's getting closer hopefully :) [03:24] yes it's still there in dmesg [03:24] ah, cool [03:24] I managed to get bits of the interface between webkit-gtk and ocaml ok [03:24] Urchlay: and honestly, I like the font better in vga=normal. [03:24] Camarade_Tux: nice. :) [03:24] and my blocker isn't very annoying [03:25] I've been using vga=normal for years (as in, using slackware since before it supported framebuffer, started adding vga=normal as a matter of routine because I preferred it on the tiny monitors I used to use back then) [03:25] and in past kernels nvidia cards were known to perform better with vga-normal option as well [03:25] cmair (n=cmair@host70-110-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:25] mrselfpwn: so, with nvidia agp, it may get a bit faster? [03:26] can you pastebin your lspci? [03:26] anyone know how to fix that libtool error? [03:26] sure [03:26] okay [03:26] I mean some of the servers I used to admin were using monochrome 9" displays, framebuffer gave unreadable small text, plus it was slow... [03:26] ah [03:26] I like how KMS works. [03:26] It boots with my native resolution [03:27] nvifia agp stuff maybe won't speed up vesafb at all. And I think you can't use nvidia-specific fb and the nvidia proprietary X driver at the same time. [03:27] right [03:27] yeah, nvidiafb and nvidia's blob don't mix [03:27] mrselfpwn: http://www.pastebin.ca/1496728 [03:27] see, he has nvidia_fb built in but not nvidia_agp [03:28] are you using the kernel driver or the ones from nvidia.com fire|bird? [03:28] IIRC, the vesafb stuff works by actually calling the BIOS routines in the card's firmware, which run on virtual 8086 mode (will be slow no matter what) [03:28] pastebin.slackadelic.com not working well, eh? it loads, but you can't paste anything. [03:28] mrselfpwn: I'm using the stuff from SBo, which is still the .run file from nvidia.com [03:28] okay [03:28] so... :P [03:28] I might be wrong about the v8086 stuff (possibly newer versions of the VESA standard include 32-bit protected-mode BIOS routines?) [03:28] Action: mrselfpwn taking a look at your config. [03:29] anyway. I really ought to at least try to sleep, while it's still dark [03:29] mrselfpwn: I use fluxbox, and sometimes switch to kde4. so I don't really need the nvidia driver stuff, but things like google earth sort of need it. [03:29] fire|bird: and eduke32 :) [03:29] Urchlay: nah, that's overrated, wait till it's light out. [03:29] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [03:29] Urchlay: good point. [03:30] What CLI mail application will allow me to set the "from address"? [03:30] fire|bird: trying to get out of the habit of doing that. Once the birds start chirping, it's harder to get to sleep [03:30] juice: what are you trying to build? [03:30] Urchlay: that's true. [03:30] Camarade_Tux: so, is your browser gonna float like a butterfly and sting like a bee? :P [03:30] Urchlay: Who needs sleep ;) [03:30] y0 lf4 [03:31] how's it going? [03:31] Hey fire|bird :) How everything? [03:31] especially as this one particular one seems to want to camp on my window sill and go "cheeeep!" every 10 sec or so [03:31] lf4: doing excellent, thanks. you? [03:31] It's going alright work just is wearing on me. [03:31] (I can scare him away, but he'll come back) [03:31] fire|bird: actually, it will just rock everything 8-) [03:31] :P [03:31] so, eh, goodnight [03:31] Urchlay: just set a wooden owl there on the ledge. :P [03:31] Urchlay: good night [03:31] hm, wonder if that'd work [03:32] Camarade_Tux: peeerrrrrffffeeeeccccttt. :) [03:32] night :) [03:32] Urchlay: i think i saw somewhere a usb homing missile gadget [03:32] like a scarecrow, sort of [03:32] aperturefever: thinkgeek.com has some [03:32] aperturefever: I've seen that too. :) [03:32] usb missile warfare. :P [03:32] aperturefever: it would literally be a homing missile: I'd be blowing up part of my home with it... [03:32] just attach a needle and make it lethal :O [03:32] Camarade_Tux, gnome-do [03:32] berk [03:33] naw, I don't want to kill the bird [03:33] you install mono and everything just to get gnome-do? [03:33] lf4: Since 2007, on my hdd, I now have 10,716 pictures. :) [03:33] Urchlay: the Owl in the window would work well. [03:33] anyway, something like a ./autogen.sh might be appropriate [03:33] (eh, ask me again at 7AM when I've been trying to ignore him for an hour, you might get a different answer about killing..) [03:33] Camarade_Tux, I run gnome so I have all that [03:33] lmao [03:34] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:34] fire|bird: Haha nice... I haven't even had time to use my camera much... working grave really is messing with my body. [03:34] anyway. I journey to the land of slumber. Fare thee well, fellow travellers. [03:34] set a tape recorded next to the owl, have it play a recording of you going, "Whoooo....Whoooo....Whoooo.... :D [03:34] Night Urchlay [03:34] anyway, I guess it has been configured for some debian-distro, ./autogen.sh could get rid of that [03:34] s/recorded/recorder/ [03:34] nighty night Urchlay [03:34] what is your processor fire|bird? [03:34] mrselfpwn: P4 3.2Ghz Hyperthreaded. [03:34] fire|bird: eh. So in order to get rid of an annoying noise, I have to make another annoying noise? [03:35] bah, ooo requires rpm2cpio to build ='( [03:35] anyway outta here. [03:35] okay [03:35] Haha Urchlay [03:35] Urchlay: hahaha, just a suggestion. I think just the owl would work great. [03:35] Urchlay: good night. :) [03:35] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] this is stupid [03:36] why would they have a debian dependency in there [03:36] even autoreconf won't get rid of it [03:37] juice: read configure and config.log then [03:37] joined gnome-do here [03:37] maybe they can help [03:38] beark, beark, beark! [03:38] rpm2cpio requires seamonkey-solibs! [03:38] Any suggestions on what CLI mail server I can set the from address with? mail does not have an option I noticed. [03:39] wait, why does ooo install python files? :o [03:40] raela|alt (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] especially python-core and a test/ folder? [03:42] you are on a desktop I take it fire|bird? [03:42] mrselfpwn: yup [03:43] reason why you have CONFIG_IDE=n set? [03:43] raela|alt: because OOo uses python scripting? :) [03:43] fire|bird: if you have CONFIG_IDE=n, does your cd/dvd drive still work? :) [03:43] Camarade_Tux: ^^^ that was for you [03:43] alisonken1noc: but why a "test" folder? :o [03:43] mrselfpwn: Hmm, that control IDE connected devices? [03:43] yes [03:44] Camarade_Tux: that's a good one [03:44] and "python-core" sounds weird, like it is for computers which don't have python installed [03:44] Camarade_Tux: hdd and burner are sata, but I do have an ide drive for backup that I use periodically. [03:44] seems like a P4 system would need this [03:44] fire|bird: die! I want a sata dvd drive ='( [03:44] mrselfpwn: I don't remember setting that to n, but I guess I did. [03:44] Camarade_Tux: It's FAST [03:44] fire|bird: make ide a module and blacklist it? [03:44] Camarade_Tux: could do that I guess. :P [03:45] okay, i'll make it a module [03:46] GC Warning: Repeated allocation of very large block (appr. size 262144000): May lead to memory leak and poor performance. [03:46] just to let you know. so for i have disabled the configured support for non-x86 cpu which was set to yes and enabled the config_ide as a module [03:46] ok, openoffice dead :) [03:47] Nick change: C00re_ -> C00re [03:47] heh, today's the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11 launching. [03:47] mrselfpwn: ok. [03:47] Camarade_Tux: \o/ ? You want it dead? [03:47] fire|bird: and first thing my browser will do is supporting X-copy-paste correctly! [03:47] fire|bird: US never went to the moon, don't you know that? [03:47] \o/ [03:48] raelakoira (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:48] icarus: who did? [03:48] I always have to use vim first to paste anything into firefox >< [03:48] seriously, the van der walz ring around the earth would have killed anyone with 69' tech [03:48] no way their ships even could have had the proper sheilding from it [03:48] physicist didn't even know it existed at teh time [03:49] with a nik like icarus, the comment is too ironic [03:49] Dominian: pastebin.slackadelic.com seems down (I can't paste, anything, it "Not found") [03:49] fire|bird: it was cold war propaganda i tell you! [03:49] Camarade_Tux: yeah, I got the same thing with that. [03:49] icarus: I've been to the moon and back many times. :) [03:49] icarus: what's the van der walz ring? [03:49] lf4: orly? :) [03:49] plus its too depressing to think man actually went to the moon, then came back and started voting for american idol :( [03:50] alisonken1noc: let me find a proper article to cite [03:50] so you use SCSI fire|bird? [03:50] fire|bird: yes ;) but thats top secret haha. [03:50] rworkman: http://pastebin.com/m15e3b905 : openoffice dies completely on slackware64 with ooo's x86_64 package (I only edited the .info file to use the 64bit version) [03:50] actually it eats all my memory first :) [03:50] fire|bird: see the pastebin ;) [03:50] mrselfpwn: not that I know of. What devices would use that? [03:50] icarus...its the van allen ring.. [03:51] Camarade_Tux: so it eats your mem then dies. :P [03:51] Camarade_Tux: something about the java vm? [03:51] sata [03:51] paissad (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:51] I was under the impression that the VanAllen ring was farther out than the moon [03:51] mrselfpwn: ah, then I need it I suppose. my hdd and burner are sata [03:51] k [03:51] then I will enable Asynchronous SCHI scanning [03:52] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.126) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt [03:52] The SCSI subsystem can probe for devices while the rest of the  [03:52] system continues booting, and even probe devices on differet busses in parallel, leading to a significant speed-up. [03:52] fire|bird: care to share your bootgraph and bootchart? [03:52] alisonken1noc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt [03:52] oops [03:52] i had the name wrong [03:52] thanks [03:53] and apparently they did know about it in 1958 [03:53] I remember reading something about that many moons ago [03:53] Camarade_Tux: sure, I had both pasted earlier. :P [03:53] but yeah, that is what it does fire|bird [03:53] mrselfpwn: ok, then it's needed. :) [03:53] Camarade_Tux: you want them dcc'd or posted online? [03:53] icarus: interesting preposition - according to the article, the van allen belt was known about before the space program sent men into space [03:54] alisonken1noc: you reminded me the jre wasn't installed (it should work with it anyway) [03:54] fire|bird: as you wish [03:54] omploader.org is good [03:54] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:54] mrselfpwn: It's almost time for me to get going, 02:54, so I may have to catch you tomorrow with the kernel stuff. just fyi. :) [03:54] okay [03:55] i'll look over it somemore [03:55] and get it to you tomorrow [03:55] bah, argh, [03:55] Camarade_Tux: bootchart: http://omploader.org/vMXppcA [03:56] Camarade_Tux: bootgraph: http://omploader.org/vMXppcQ [03:56] fire|bird: you can probably use 'hwclock&' if you don't rely on network during boot [03:56] Camarade_Tux: rely on network as in for syncing time? [03:57] also it seems you have a nice "sleep" ;p [03:57] Camarade_Tux: I don't want sleep, I want AWAKE. :P [03:57] Camarade_Tux: how can I fix that? [03:58] rworkman: ok, my fault, openoffice works alright with the jre package installed, sorry [03:58] alisonken1noc: yeah i was wrong [03:58] (but I don't get how the java gc can print out errors and not be there >< ) [03:58] fire|bird: edit rc.S ;) [03:59] raela|alt (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:59] as for hwclock, forget about it for now [03:59] alisonken1noc: basically, one conspiracy theory i read suggested that it wouldn't have been possibel to go to the moon in 1969, becaue the technology to sheild from the Van Allen belt didn't exist, or weren't fully realized [03:59] Camarade_Tux: OOo has a built-in mini java as far as I can tell - one of the packages from a full OOo install [03:59] Camarade_Tux: and the sleep? [03:59] fire|bird: you have a ... lot of modules [03:59] alisonken1noc: and NASA has never released the blueprints to the vessels at the time, etc, all of which i have admittedly never looked up [03:59] fire|bird: it's somewhere in rc.S :) [03:59] icarus: however, they had plenty of unmanned shots to check it [03:59] Camarade_Tux: the sleep is? [04:00] what is sleeping? [04:00] I love despair.com [04:00] fire|bird: also I think you don't need both uhci and ehci [04:00] DespairWear [04:00] CLOTHES MAKE THE MAN. [04:00] alisonken1noc: it makes for a good counter arguement though, and given waht i know about physics, i know thats a hefty amount of radiation and it would kill [04:00] THESE CLOTHES MAKE THE MAN SAD. [04:00] HEHE [04:00] Camarade_Tux: Hmm, ok, which should I have? [04:00] fire|bird: wait, I'm not sure, there is ahci, uhci, ehci and ohci, it's disturbing :D [04:01] ok no, it's OHCI which you don't need [04:01] and by having less modules you could probably speed up your boot [04:01] I mean, build as =y instead of =m [04:02] brb, shower [04:02] Camarade_Tux: ok [04:02] fire|bird: but are you sure all those modules are useful? [04:02] for you that is [04:03] lol, i'd like to ssh into your box fire|bird [04:04] Camarade_Tux: which modules, the *ci stuff? [04:04] mrselfpwn: you can't haz access to my boxen. :P [04:04] no, i'm just saying. now that i'm meddling through your kernel [04:04] haha [04:05] It makes me curious as to what all you have hardware wise [04:05] fire|bird: I don't know... all? :D [04:05] Camarade_Tux: No, I'm not sure. I don't understand it all. :P [04:05] mrselfpwn: yeah, it's sort of difficult that way. [04:06] well, i can tell you the things in your config I notice so you can change them or change them myself and give you the config [04:06] up to you [04:06] fire|bird: check which modules are loaded with lsmod, check your dmesg for messages like "X hardware not present" or "unloading module"... [04:07] Camarade_Tux: and things with "X hardware not present" or "unloading module" means I don't need those? [04:07] fire|bird: yes :) [04:08] yes, from this it looks like you have stuff in your kernel you don't need and some things you would want to have are not enabled [04:08] mrselfpwn: yeah, I just don't know what all it is, so I did the best I knew how. :P [04:09] yes i understand [04:09] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:09] lsmod: http://pastebin.com/m539b2537 [04:09] wow, that's it? [04:10] yeah [04:10] Am I suppose to have more? [04:10] mrselfpwn: he, wait for mine ;) [04:11] http://pastebin.com/m6fa0fed1 <- see, vbox :) [04:11] ah, nice [04:11] fire|bird: pastebin your dmesg [04:12] i have many things loaded as modules. Is this bad? [04:12] Camarade_Tux: http://pastebin.com/m417094b5 [04:12] something i did that way to be able to upgrade them in userspace [04:13] mrselfpwn: no, it's not bad at all [04:13] this is fire|bird's .config; [04:13] http://www.pastebin.ca/1496716 [04:14] fire|bird: I don't get it : and your bootgraph showed your kernel took 10s to boot [04:14] yeah :/ [04:16] tux_ (n=tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:16] fire|bird: dcc me your bootgraph.*svg* [04:16] Well, I have to get going. It's 03:15. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:16] tux_: k, sec. [04:17] would it be better to build those modules i know i won't be updating directly into the kernel instead of keeping them as modules Camarade_Tux?\ [04:17] tux_: there ya go. [04:17] \o/ [04:17] tux_ (n=tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [04:18] anyway, later guys. Thanks a bunch mrselfpwn, Camarade_Tux. [04:18] catch ya tomorrow [04:18] bah [04:18] bb matey [04:18] hey, no prob [04:18] wait a sec ;) [04:18] you want my config? i'm done [04:18] Camarade_Tux: WHAT?!? :P [04:18] mrselfpwn: oh yeah, sure. [04:18] seems I didn't get it properly >< [04:18] aperturefever: see ya. :) [04:18] Camarade_Tux: Hmm, really. what happened? [04:18] tux_ (n=tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:18] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:18] try again? =) [04:19] i only changed about 4-5 things. got rid of the non standard cpu loading which you don't need. added the async mode for the sata drives [04:19] added support for mtrr fixup [04:19] http://pastebin.com/d39779899 [04:19] tux_: there [04:20] tux_ (n=tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:20] and config_ide as a module [04:20] fire|bird: bah, I can't display it [04:20] and I don't get why [04:20] mrselfpwn: thanks. [04:20] no prob [04:20] Camarade_Tux: bah, you fail. [04:20] Camarade_Tux: you have something that'll open svg? [04:20] fire|bird: I corrected it by hand ;) [04:20] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:20] I DO NOT FAIL :D [04:21] you DO, you just don't know it yet. :) [04:21] do mine! do mine! do mine! :P [04:21] mrselfpwn: I'll recompile that tomorrow. [04:21] it's SO late [04:22] I want a red firetruck for christmas Santa_Tux [04:22] so, catch ya tomorrow guys. thanks. [04:22] okay, later [04:22] take it easy [04:22] see ya Camarade_Tux [04:22] fire|bird: you might want to make the networking options lighter [04:22] night fire|bird [04:22] mrselfpwn: will do. :) [04:22] Camarade_Tux: ok, I'll maybe catch ya tomorrow about that. [04:22] yeah, cleanthe networking part [04:23] ok [04:23] bye. :) [04:23] o/ [04:23] are you browsing his .config file ? [04:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Here I go"). [04:24] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:24] mrselfpwn: looking at the bootgraph file [04:24] ah [04:24] would you mind taking a look at my lsmod? [04:25] oddsock (n=me@adsl-2-39.teol.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] i'd like to see what you think maybe i should build directly into the kernel. [04:26] http://pastebin.com/d544165d5 [04:26] lsmod won't show unused modules ;) [04:26] oh, sorry, skipped one of your messages ;) [04:27] yes [04:27] maybe the usb things [04:27] well, i've actually narrowed down my kernel quite a bit to only the things ineed [04:27] and ac, battery, button [04:27] right [04:27] rtc_core ? [04:28] you can [04:28] use bootgraph and check what actually takes time [04:28] i see up there joydev [04:28] though i don't have a joystick plugged in [04:28] i was under the impression modules wouldn't load unless needed [04:30] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:30] what is the processor module? [04:32] "processor module"? [04:32] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:32] and joydev is there because you have the corresponding port [04:32] yes, there is a module named processor [04:33] says 2 things use it though doesn't list what they are [04:33] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [04:33] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:34] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [04:34] mrselfpwn: modinfo processor no help? [04:35] acpi processor driver [04:35] hmm, thank you LSD [04:36] stunix (n=stian@77.17.158.221.tmi.telenormobil.no) joined ##slackware. [04:39] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [04:40] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. 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[05:27] this is my chipset 168c:002a [05:27] no idea :) [05:29] can you help me? because with wicd-client shows the networks but i can't get online by my home wireless network and in winbugs it's working properly :/ [05:30] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.179) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:33] oddsock (n=me@adsl-2-39.teol.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [05:34] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.218) joined ##slackware. [05:34] okay Camarade_Tux [05:35] yes gnome-do is worth it [05:35] i figured out my issue [05:35] got it running now [05:35] what was it? [05:35] josefig: I'd love to help you but I can't [05:36] thx [05:37] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:37] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.63) joined ##slackware. [05:38] Camarade_Tux, I was using the dropline build system [05:39] and forgot to ad a cd with variable [05:39] before running autoreconf [05:39] :P [05:39] s/ad/add [05:39] only took me 2 hours of tinkering [05:39] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.186) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:39] before I was like oh crap I need to change folders first [05:39] in the script [05:40] then run autoreconf [05:40] bah, I got why mencoder wouldn't encode with x264 anymore, I upgraded to slackware64's and that one won't do h264 [05:41] oops [05:41] hmm getting close to my bed time of 5am [05:41] so I can get up for work at 2pm [05:42] err, there is no recent mplayer change in slackware... hmmmm [05:44] josefig (n=Anonymou@200.56.159.156) left irc: "Saliendo" [05:45] hmm [05:52] raela|alt (n=raela@24.126.91.124) joined ##slackware. [05:53] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[06:07] Camarade_Tux: fail [06:07] Camarade_Tux: did you compile your mplayer against a x264 library you installed yourself? [06:07] alienBOB: yes [06:08] Zordrak: =) [06:08] the real fail : using gvim to watch the video once encoded >< [06:08] lol [06:10] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:11] yeah caca is better [06:15] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [06:15] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:15] john_dee (n=id@217.118.90.233) joined ##slackware. [06:16] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:16] john_dee (n=id@217.118.90.233) left irc: Client Quit [06:16] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.81.54) joined ##slackware. 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[06:32] slava_dp: when I point to a terminal, I can only see the id and the title I gave it [06:32] and the .Xdefaults rule won't apply [06:33] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.26) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:33] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.2.22) joined ##slackware. [06:35] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [06:37] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.169) joined ##slackware. [06:39] sahko: I did not add bash-completion to slackware64's extra section when I was still in charge of the tree. But I guess Pat will add that before release. [06:42] alienBOB, i thought we have two slackware maintainers now, you and Pat. it appears, the BDFL :) is still only Pat. [06:42] well.... the Slack way =) [06:43] alienBOB: it was added today. maybe i should mail Pat then to let him know about then [06:47] arcsky (n=arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1:0:0:1c2) joined ##slackware. [06:47] hi how can i from a terminal increase the privilige time any suggestions? [06:48] Kaapa: xdpyinfo | grep "window id" ? [06:51] err I meant xdpyinfo [06:52] arcsky: can you explain a bit more? [06:53] I want to make many syscall to the kernel [06:57] arcsky: that doesn't make much sense; can you give me an example of what you are doing? [06:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429447.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:57] djshcxb (n=10280355@122-124-138-31.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:57] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.81.54) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:59] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:59] djshcxb (n=10280355@122-124-138-31.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:00] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-3-125.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:04] slava_dp: pat wanted me to keep maintaining the 64bit tree, but I simply lack the time, being a volunteer with a paid daytime job. [07:04] I was basically doing two jobs for 9 months, and that was killing my health [07:05] IceW (n=old-time@201-95-17-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:05] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-178-224.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:06] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:06] Action: The-Croupier greets the channel [07:07] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:08] greetings [07:08] is there a way to remove pdf restrictions? [07:09] one of the teachers i work with, sent me a pdf file, but he doesnt remember how he applied the restriction to the file. the file reads "filename.pdf secured" [07:11] does it have a password? [07:11] you can use pdfcrack [07:11] in that case [07:12] Action: systrik is back (gone 00:01:09) [07:12] Action: systrik is away: I'm ey ef key now [07:13] Action: systrik is back (gone 00:00:04) [07:13] Action: systrik is away: I'm ey ef key now [07:13] Action: systrik is back (gone 00:00:13) [07:14] Action: systrik is away: I'm ey ef key now [07:14] systrik: I can predict your future [07:14] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [07:14] chopp sorry [07:15] didn't know that you see this [07:15] Me too chopp :-) [07:15] just disabled it [07:15] You were about to be banned systrik [07:15] agris (n=agris@80.232.193.2) joined ##slackware. [07:15] hehe [07:15] what a lucky i am [07:16] *guy ^^ [07:17] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [07:17] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. 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[07:46] The-Croupier: use openbsd's xpdf >< [07:47] afaik, restrictions on pdf entirely depend on the reader, it doesn't hide or protect anything, if the reader doesn't want to respect the restriction, it won't [07:47] xpdf respects it but several distros patched that out [07:51] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [07:51] The-Croupier: okular in KDE4 has a tickbox to enable/disable it [07:51] (which can be locked by admin) [07:52] wow, I wasn't aware of that : http://lwn.net/Articles/340121/ :o [07:52] stunix (n=stian@77.17.158.221.tmi.telenormobil.no) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:56] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9e5d25f2fda785db) joined ##slackware. [07:57] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:58] morning [07:58] Morning [07:58] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [08:00] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:01] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) joined ##slackware. [08:02] slKIvs (n=ivan@4.93.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:03] agris (n=agris@80.232.193.2) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:05] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:05] Camarade_Tux, you did not know what? he uses lolfedora, that was predictable =] [08:06] "Just before the holiday weekend in the US, somebody uploaded a broken prelink which hosed most important executables on the system." [08:06] no, seriously? nofway! you're kidding! =] [08:07] "just before the holidays weekend in the us, somebody managed to broke libc, the kernel, at, sed, crond, gcc, emacs, vim, elvis, vi and ed at once" [08:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:13] slava_dp : screwups like that are not limited to fedora [08:13] can someone say "oops"? [08:13] so don't bash other distros based on that. [08:13] ml4711_ (n=morten@0x50a5a9d6.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:15] Linus uses fedora, btw [08:15] what a noob, eh? [08:16] i know.. i couldnt believe it [08:16] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:17] ok, I was being sarcastic :) [08:17] it's actually not surprising. not every engineer or mechanic wants to dick around a custom chevy pickup for a day-to-day driving [08:19] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:287) joined ##slackware. [08:19] still.. there are bethter choices than that POS [08:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:20] such as? [08:20] slackware? [08:20] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:20] freebsd :> [08:20] slackware is the custom chevy pickup [08:20] nope - slackware is the classic chevy pickup that keeps on running [08:21] and, say, a 2007 mode, when he perhaps needs 2010 [08:21] model* [08:23] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:26] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a5a9d6.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:33] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:34] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:39] thank you guys [08:40] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.159.82) joined ##slackware. [08:42] raw (n=ilove@p5487509A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] is there a way to get hold of this? http://www.nodevice.com/manual/newmans/kx-t7033xrar/get10852.html [08:43] Panasonic - kx-t7033x Service Manual <-- ive been trying for like 40minutes but it is not anywhere online. :( i have read 1-25 of google results [08:44] I can't believe it, libjpeg-7 has been released! http://www.ijg.org/ [08:44] and the broke compatability with libjpeg-6 :| [08:45] really? lol :P [08:46] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.67.221) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:47] yep, meaning anything that gets built against it needs recompiling (a ton of stuff) [08:47] damnit.. why is my colleauge looking so jolly today [08:47] i hate him [08:47] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Action: raw facepalms @ ljpeg7 [08:48] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:48] thrice`: link? [08:49] it took them 11 years and 4 months :D [08:49] to? [08:49] ijg.org [08:49] thrice`: what breaks backwards copatibility exactly, etc.. [08:49] it's a soname bump [08:50] thrice`: huh [08:50] thrice`: i thought they changed something [08:50] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9e5d25f2fda785db) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:51] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:51] glen2 (n=glen@78.86.231.25) joined ##slackware. [08:51] yes, an ABI change [08:51] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9b873bb397132f2f) joined ##slackware. [08:51] i read everything remains API compatible [08:51] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:52] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:52] whenever an update like that happens, they bump the .so lib extension, and it requires rebuilding everything that linked against the old [08:52] thrice`: so, no API [08:53] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:53] Action: raw is happy again [08:53] got me there for a sec [08:55] Linux does it give priorites to I/O or locked by the CPU process? [08:55] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:55] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [08:56] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:287) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:57] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Action: The-Croupier is really busy finding unbelievably stupid manual [08:57] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:59] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:59] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [09:00] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Operation timed out [09:00] welcome back check [09:00] s/check/chess/ (doh!) [09:01] alisonken1noc: :-), my irssi died for some reason [09:02] my house keeps getting kicked via friendly neighborhood verizon [09:04] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [09:13] cmair (n=cmair@host70-110-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:14] hmm, didn't know that : http://swag.dk/blog/2009/07/16/detaching-a-process-on-nix/ =) [09:14] (and I know someone would have loved that last week ;) ) [09:15] http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement [09:15] read that [09:16] Camarade_Tux: Its up.. the pastebin I mean [09:16] [ in bed ] [09:16] Dominian: still the same problem [09:17] Sorry, but my whole purpose in life is to follow Dominian around and haunt him with his little /ib function. :) [09:17] slava_dp: nice link :) [09:17] Camarade_Tux: wait one [09:18] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:18] year? :D [09:20] Camarade_Tux: try again [09:20] Dominian: still the same [09:20] (and I have no cache) [09:20] hrm.. what the hell [09:21] upyr[ema` (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [09:21] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:21] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:22] ok i got a meeting.. I'll check it out after that [09:23] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9b873bb397132f2f) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:25] Camarade_Tux: ok neverjind.. got it fixed [09:26] =) [09:26] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/McQjIE69.html =) [09:27] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-4a4f3d6b78574e38) joined ##slackware. [09:34] IceW (n=old-time@201-95-17-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [09:36] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.169) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:40] kunal (n=kunal@115.67.183.239) joined ##slackware. [09:40] hello. [09:40] is there any antivirus which you could recommend? [09:41] a router running openbsd running PF [09:42] what is PF? [09:42] That sounds more like a firewall. [09:42] indeed [09:42] need antivirus for linux. [09:43] i was thinking of clam [09:43] but seems like crap [09:43] if your computer is already compromised all programs are problematic [09:43] Antivirus? What do you mean? You don't need antivirus in the same sense that Windows does. ClamAV protects Windows. [09:43] there is a clamTk for linux [09:43] And ClamAV is not crap, it's pretty good. [09:44] serious? [09:44] i hve heard lots of criticism against it [09:44] You did not answer my question. [09:44] nekuro (n=Nekuro@iburst-41-213-114-84.iburst.co.za) joined ##slackware. [09:45] rob0, : there are viruses and malwares designed for linux. [09:45] what to do if i get hit? [09:46] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-66-176-154.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [09:46] you will probably never get a virus... [09:46] ClamAV has an abysmal detection rate. [09:46] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-66-176-154.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:46] nekuro, : how i know? [09:46] Viruses don't affect Linux the same way that they hit Windows. [09:46] oh. so i wont loose data and private data etc. [09:47] because the majority of viruses are written for windows because it's the most commonly used OS [09:47] Dominian: pong [09:47] kunal, well...the only way to loose things is if you dont remember where you put them in linux ;) [09:47] hahahaha [09:47] kunal, you are more likely to be hit by a rootkit - look at chkrootkit and rootkit-hunter [09:47] good one [09:47] its not that it's not possible, its just that people don't have much interest in writing them [09:47] Not just because it's more used, but also the fact that it almost always runs as administrator, so any malware is an instant takeover of the system. [09:47] omg.. ive missed a crapload of changes to -current cos i was using slackware.it's rss feeds and they -stalled [09:48] Zordrak: So you were running SLackware-stalled? [09:48] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:48] that and you have some voluntarily install the virus in linux [09:48] you only really need scan for viruses for files/emails that are being shared with a windows box [09:48] oh ok. [09:49] Alan_Hicks: no.. i was installing -current cos of a cronned rsync... but without realising the contents had changed [09:49] Hopefully Linux adoption will drive these damned anti-virus programs out of business with SE-Linux and stuff. [09:49] how often do you get data from an unknown source on linux? most apps you get are from secure repos etc [09:49] thats a relief. cus i ws reading wiki about linux malwares...they said the no. of malwares jumped [09:49] As with any OS, you should keep backups of your important data. In theory (although I've never heard of it in the wild) you could get hit the way Windows people do, but it could only affect your user data. [09:49] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:49] from 454 to 850 in just 1 year time. [09:49] kunal, yes make backups of personal data [09:50] kunal, if you are worried your pc becoming part of a botnet, don't worry. if you are worried your personal data being deleted, backup [09:50] ok. [09:50] Most rootkits are exploits of server processes, such as PHP content on a httpd. [09:50] I totally agree with rob0. backups are the best idea. you're more likely to have a hardware issue than a virus etc [09:50] >.< .. two machines separated by a day and i didnt even realise they have diff kernel [09:50] If you're not running a server, you're pretty safe. [09:50] good points. thanks [09:50] yw [09:51] no. i dont have a server [09:51] Zordrak, I'm still waiting for blueyonder changelog to come up-to-date [09:51] it's a day behind as far as I can tell [09:51] last is 15Jul [09:51] brb. tea break [09:52] My 'nix machine is down at the mo :( I actually haven't used Slackware yet... [09:52] nekuro: unclean! :) [09:52] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [09:53] haha! I blame a blown PSU [09:53] Hi.. I'm having a big problem trying to create a bootable cd-image from the slackware-current branch [09:53] Can anyone help? [09:53] I followed the guidelines in isolinux/README.TXT, to the tee.. but it just won't boot. The data is present on the DVD after I mount it, but it just won't boot when I start the machine [09:53] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [09:54] I do use Ubuntu however. I was thinking of using Slackware to get closer to the actual process of the OS rather than a GUI etc [09:54] brixton try a different machine? [09:54] Okay, see if it boots on another machine.. brb [09:55] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl209-174.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:56] I have a series of mp3/wav/ogg/flac files and want to burn them in an audio CD. What is the tool for this job? Please suggest a graphical one and a command line one. Thanks! [09:57] Hmm maybe it just the dvd.. it won't boot at all [09:59] fwiw id use alienBOB's mirror-slackware-current.sh script to make the ISO, or at least use it as a template for how [10:01] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:02] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.159.82) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [10:03] wav: easy, ogg: oggdec, mp3: mpg321, burning the actual cd: cdrecord -audio track1.wav track2.wav .... [10:03] Okay, well all I wanted to update was KDE to 4.2 [10:03] Is it safe to just use slack 12.2 and update purely the KDE packages? [10:03] no [10:03] no no no [10:03] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Okay [10:03] How would I go about it? [10:04] fresh install of slackware-current [10:04] thats my only suggestion [10:04] Yeah, that's the DVD that won't boot [10:04] theres other ways [10:04] but i dont recommend it [10:04] So frustrating [10:04] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/min0s) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:04] brixton: use mirror-slackware-current.sh [10:04] or create a bootable USB stick [10:04] okay, I could do that [10:05] Need to check if my BIOS allows booting from usb [10:05] is there a howto on that? [10:05] its in the source [10:05] brixton might be sorry about that ... I really disliked KDE4. I'm staying with 3.5 and/or changing to XFCE. [10:05] i didn't see how to boot and install from the same usb drive [10:06] Really rob0? I just think it looks a hell of a lot better.. but what 'features' do you dislike? [10:06] rob0: i hated kde3.5 and wouldnt use it... but now i wouldnt use anything but kde4 ;) [10:06] (on my desktop.. not servers) [10:06] Linux does it give priorites to I/O or locked by the CPU process? [10:06] Skywise: once you're booted.. you can choose to install from wherever the hell you want [10:07] yeah, but i just wanted to use 1 usb stick [10:07] rob0: just switch to xfce ;) [10:07] i've got a 32gb mem stick.. will try it now [10:07] Skywise: that morkjs fine [10:07] *works [10:08] so, how is 13.0 coming along? [10:08] slackpkg .new merge ++ [10:08] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [10:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] raw: rc1 last i checked [10:11] Alan_Hicks: bah.. I think I found the issue, however, I can run it by you if you want.. has to do with a car [10:11] Zordrak: with the option to diff the files :) [10:11] raw: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ChangeLog+slackware [10:11] :) [10:11] finally getting around to installing 64-current [10:11] Dominian: Go ahead. [10:11] spook: took you a while [10:12] Zordrak: yeah :/ [10:12] nice one spook.. if i can get -current (x86) to boot on my lappy and i like, i might dual-boot it on this one [10:13] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: "leaving" [10:14] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Zordrak: http://www.slackware-fr.org/ has RSS feeds too. they seem not to be hosed by the recent slackware server failure. although they dont have todays changelog yet [10:14] this is a trial run on my scratch partition on my desktop that usually runs dowz. if all goes well i'll swap over my htpc mythbox and a client machine running slamd64 12.1 that needs an overhaul/setting up a windows vm [10:15] slackware.com up now? [10:15] sahko: ta [10:15] spook: thoroughly [10:15] spook: with new news [10:15] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl209-174.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [10:15] the dev.slackware.it RSS feeds havent updated since the server dropped [10:15] last is july 1st [10:16] sahko: cause of the concidence.. i thought the changelog had been frozen at rc1 [10:16] did we find out why slackware.com was down/ [10:16] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Alan_Hicks: Wife's car.. '99 alero.. turning the wheel to the left is easy.. to the right.. comes and goes.. harder than hell at times.. varies at speeds. [10:17] Dominian: Traditional power steering or rack-n-pinion? [10:18] Alan_Hicks: I think the issue is the power steering pressure line.. I noticed it last night, after a few other people said itw as "bulging", it appears when she turns the wheel that it looks like someone is literrally under the car and "pulling" the line down [10:18] Alan_Hicks: its got rack n pinion [10:18] but I did notice what looks like a very small leak on the pressure line going into the rack n pinion [10:18] hmm slackware.fr has todays updates. wonder why google reader didnt find em without refreshing the feed. weird [10:18] and the research I did.. says that could cause what we are seeing [10:18] Could simply be air in the power steering lines. Replace that broke line and bleed the system. [10:19] aye [10:20] hopefully that's it [10:20] 22 dollar part :) [10:20] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] spook: undisclosed hardware fail [10:20] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] bleeding the system is easy too.. loosen cap.. turn on engine.. move wheel a few times.. turn off engine.. replace cap.. turn on engine.. move wheel make sure it moves freely [10:22] Zordrak: ah kay. [10:22] hmm.. am i overengineering? `for i in $(ssh root@otherhost sbopkg -p | cut -d"-" -f1);do yes | sbopkg -i $i;done` [10:24] you' [10:25] you're missing the " penis" after "yes" [10:25] O_o [10:25] spook: straterra? Is that you? [10:25] Zordrak: i know how to read :P [10:26] Zordrak: I know the changelog [10:26] Alan_Hicks: good call [10:26] [ in bed ] [10:26] Alan_Hicks: no. [10:26] and as usual the changelog is useless wrt that [10:26] Is it bad that I just read "[ in bed ]" as a python list and thought "You idiot, you have to quote strings!" [10:26] Alan_Hicks: "yes" :) [10:27] raw: theres nothing youll find in here that isnt in there [10:27] thought so [10:27] still [10:27] is jus' how Pat rolls [10:28] Dominian: starting again, huh? [10:29] Alan_Hicks, bad, VERY bad. [10:29] Zordrak: That script should work, but it's not the greatest thing in the world. For one, you're ssh'ing as root, which is generally not the best practice in the world if there's a better way to do things. [10:29] rob0: You're loads of help. [10:30] Alan_Hicks, I still want to fix you up with my daughter, and I think she'd expect more of you than quoted strings! [10:30] Zordrak: You could accomplish basically the same thing with ssh mortal_user ls /var/log/packages* [10:30] Alan_Hicks: for internal newbuilds it's no biggie... but i might turn it into an sbopkg feature request [10:31] (no NOT the one you met!!) [10:31] Zordrak: I don't see how that could (should?) be implimented in sbopkg in any sort of generic way. [10:31] rob0: You would do it to get her away from the bloated red beast. [10:32] Alan_Hicks: exportable/importable list... ie turn -p output into a loadable queue [10:32] The older one (same age as you), I think you'd get along well. [10:32] Zordrak: Ah, that might not be too bad. [10:32] but thne i havent seen the queuefiles.. they could asready be in a simple scriptable format [10:32] The one with the bloated beast ... well, you deserve better than her. :( [10:33] ugh.. dvorak fingerfail [10:33] rob0: Yes well, I also deserve better than restoring this fuckin' Dell with Vista Business on it too. [10:34] Alan_Hicks JUST SAID THE 'V' WORD!!! [10:35] alisonken1church: So what? You gonna wash my mouth out with soap? [10:35] :) [10:35] alisonken1church: hehe [10:35] that would be the easy way out [10:36] how does linux know which category a process (I/O or CPU-bound) belongs to? [10:37] what do you mean by 'category'? [10:37] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [10:37] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:38] any grsecurity users in here? [10:39] yes, but I'm still learning - the gsecurity guru's at the office are 'at the office' [10:39] damn it [10:39] alisonken1church: well i'll ask you anwyay [10:39] With my ACL enabled.. I want to grant specific UID's to use the binary.. such as ping.. [10:39] s/still learning/haven't been able to start learning yet/ [10:39] Do you have any idea how to do that? [10:39] what's the problem with writing [ in bed ] without quotes? =) [10:39] # [in_ bed];; [10:39] - : string list = ["in bed"] [10:39] well fsck [10:40] yay i setup my pxe menu really good [10:40] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:40] and its using symlinks to my local mirror :) [10:40] alisonken1church: I basically wanna give two users via their UID access to use ping [10:41] urg could get ugly with ACLs [10:42] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Dominian: at this point, I only know that '-grsec-' is in the kernel filename, and I have to wade thorugh a ton of "grsec: kil - heeh [10:43] spook: yeah it could get ugly [10:43] tooly (n=tooly@e178134203.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [10:43] don't forget to check out dmesg [10:44] apparently pxe doesnt work with symlinks :( [10:44] spook: aw noway [10:44] spook: i hadnt gotten around to it yet [10:44] then use pxe to fireup nfs [10:45] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:45] Skywise: the idea is to symling tftp files directly into an auto-mirroring copy of current [10:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.26.181) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Dominian: looking on one of our servers - yeah, it's ugly [10:48] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-197280.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving." [10:48] Skywise: yeah, you cant symlink the kernel [10:48] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:49] then hardlink it. [10:49] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.15.8) joined ##slackware. [10:49] will it keep when the file is updated by rsync? [10:49] alisonken1church: just to give users access to one binary eh? [10:49] spook, are you sure? i usually make a symlink when i have multiple kernels i boot from [10:49] yeah [10:50] Probably have to create a GID or something.. [10:50] Skywise: didnt work until i wasnt using a symlink. [10:50] at least our server looks like it's setup with roles [10:50] oh ok [10:50] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Well, roles would make it easier [10:50] raela|alt (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] spook, are you using lilo? maybe make the symlink and then update lilo [10:51] Skywise, pxe [10:51] Skywise: we're talking about pxe. [10:51] tbh i was gonna look into setting up pxe to boot a menu of images.. and then have it password protected so i dont have to update the mac tables [10:51] yeah, ok i thought maybe it was an issue with bootimg [10:52] Marverick (n=Marveric@201-43-159-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:52] i'll have to look into it. i have a feeling i might be able to tweak dhcpd to support symlinks. [10:52] slackbuild for cplay? [10:54] slackbuild is best [10:54] alisonken1church: Do you by chance have an example where they've opened up a binary to a user's use? [10:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:55] Dominian: it would probably be after midnight tonight before I could dig one up for you - would have to do some digging, and I'm not exactly at digging level right now [10:56] the only reason I'm still up now is waiting to call the dr's office about a referral for the wife [10:59] ahhh ok [10:59] nevermind.. I'll figure something out :) [10:59] lol @ FF 3.5 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/16/1346243/Firefox-35s-First-Vulnerability-Self-Inflicted?from=rss [10:59] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:00] doesn't mutt update it self when fetchnmail updates the spool ? [11:01] i mean i have an open window with mutt,and i doesn't seems to show up new mail [11:07] hmmm, odd, my packages.txt for current64 doesnt match the actual packages, its missing a few :( [11:07] Marverick (n=Marveric@201-43-159-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Lost my religion" [11:08] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: No route to host [11:09] I installed openoffice.org 3.1 a few days ago... but everytime I open the app it overflood my memory and the computer freezes.... My first thought was a missing java or jre, but I've not been able to find anything missing or corrupted. The 2.4 edition works as a charm though... [11:10] i think the mirror i synced from was syncing while i was syncing from it :/ [11:10] IronManBR (n=IronMAN@unaffiliated/ironmanbr) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Hello, you can run SQLs that are running in the background, without which my application is waiting the result of it? [11:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:12] What is the benefit of a clone a thread over creating a and executing a process? [11:12] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:14] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [11:16] IronManBR: typically, your sql daemon is running in the background, then your client requests information using sql syntax once it connects [11:16] arcsky: good question, and I remember reading an article from IBM on it. just can't remember the article at the moment [11:19] hey a small question. is there any application in linux that will allow me to foward mail automatically from my hotmail account to my other mail account? [11:19] arcsky (n=arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1:0:0:1c2) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:19] alisonken1church, But I want to perform a function, it will enter loop to create a sequence of files by COPY command and the process is time consuming. my application need not wait to finish the function sequence. [11:19] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Success [11:20] arcsky (n=arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1:0:0:1c2) joined ##slackware. [11:21] john_dee (n=id@93-81-71-236.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:21] IronManBR: in that case, I don't understand the relation between SQL and "copy files' command [11:21] Riddle me this, everyone. All Salary employee's (Managers and IT) have been instructed to clock in now. IT is also pending a move from Salary to Hourly. Since this change, i've noticed that some of the managers are just logging into our Citrix server, clocking in and then logging off or going idle and doing nothing and then later rolling into work hours later. IE: One manager yesterday clocked in at 8am but didn't show up until 1pm. Was never o [11:22] Do i mention this to the one who wanted to start enforcing this policy because he was concerned about managers not putting in the hours they should? [11:22] alisonken1church, Sorry friend, I made a mistake I entered the wrong channel, I would channel in postgres. [11:22] IronManBR: np [11:22] agentc0re|work: how did you manage to convince slackboy ? [11:23] or is slackboy asleep! [11:23] I mean the whole reason it started was because managers weren't around when doctors needed them. [11:23] Roelof (i=0@cc454396-c.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:23] init[1]: wtf are you talking about? [11:23] init[1]: it's a matter of lines rather than length I believe [11:23] agentcOre||work... [11:23] alisonken1church: you are correct. [11:23] 1 corrupted work place you are at. [11:24] Hello, i have a little problem. I installed Enlightement dr17 yesterday [11:24] agentc0re|work: hope you got now :) [11:24] kunal++ [11:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:24] agentc0re|work, : what do you plan to do about it ? [11:24] So the question is, do i mention what i am noticing or should i keep my mouth shut? [11:24] and now current won't boot at all. The last thing I see is that the bios check went ok [11:24] and then black screen and constantly hard disk activity [11:24] agentc0re|work: hard one to answer [11:25] agentc0re|work, : i think keep quiet [11:25] anyone know how to repair this ? [11:25] On one side, i'm getting screwed because of this myself. I don't think i need to be clocking in as a Salary employee and i was never in question as "not being around" for the doctors. [11:25] you'll have people pissed at you otherwise [11:25] The other side, i'm not a manager and it's not my responsibility to be monitoring this. [11:25] agentc0re|work, : if this threatens your job [11:26] then you should [11:26] survival extinct. [11:26] the other part would be "do I want to continue working in this environment" also [11:26] And start looking for better opportunities, indeed. [11:26] its the same case as...2 of your friends are caught cheating...you witness it, you have 2 option, report and not fail the class...or not report and risk a failure. [11:27] survival extinct would be obviously to screw them and save yourself [11:27] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:28] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [11:28] rob0: That maybe the best answer... For the most part i've had a sweet spot here until this whole change of rate of pay and clocking in and out. [11:28] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [11:29] stunix_ (n=stian@77.16.172.193.tmi.telenormobil.no) joined ##slackware. [11:30] cmair (n=cmair@host70-110-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.226) joined ##slackware. [11:33] anyone who can help me ? [11:33] Roelof: dont ask meta questions [11:33] Roelof: aks your question, then wait for response [11:33] i have ask my question, so i have to wait [11:34] if no one response, then no one can help you [11:34] oke, sorry then [11:34] stunix_ (n=stian@77.16.172.193.tmi.telenormobil.no) left irc: "The system is going down for system halt NOW!" [11:34] can you ping the host from some other machine? [11:35] if so, can you ssh in? [11:35] Roelof, ask :-) [11:36] arcsky (n=arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1:0:0:1c2) left irc: Client Quit [11:36] you don't need to wait to ask :-) [11:36] if it's for me , it's a desktop machine with 12.2 on one partition and current on the other [11:36] it was already asked, scroll up a few minutes [11:36] ah [11:36] :24 [11:36] kde 4.2.4 is pretty cool. [11:36] first using kde4 [11:38] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:38] What's happened with xinerama in slackware-current? [11:39] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:40] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [11:40] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [11:40] where can i find the way slackware boots. My current install won't boot after installing DR [11:40] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@vpn.cusonet.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:40] what's dr? [11:40] Roelof: explain more [11:41] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Success [11:41] Dr is Engligtement DR17 . I can see that the bios check has succeed and then a black screen and constantly hard disk activity [11:42] good job on explaining. [11:42] Roelof: if you can - try setting "vga=normal" so it doesn't go into vga graphics mode, then see what you get [11:43] Are you trying to boot to runlevel 4? Don't do that. Boot to 3 (the default), login text, "startx". [11:43] if you have another computer and can ssh into it (after about 5 minutes to make sure it's up), you can update lilo.conf with that [11:43] try booting up in ... what rob0 said [11:43] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:43] i try to boot into runlevel 3 [11:44] well it sounds more like it goes black before the kernel messages [11:44] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [11:44] before multiuser [11:44] yep, i never boots up [11:44] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-219-24-54.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:44] vesa vga graphics mode at the boot prompt is what it sounds like [11:44] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:45] yeah, perhaps you can lilo vga/vesa mode with the install cd [11:45] can fix* [11:45] oke, i will try the setting vga - setting [11:45] Roelof: the other way is to use your install cd to boot, then you can update your lilo.conf to not go into vesa vga mode (lilo.conf->vga=normal) [11:46] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [11:46] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:46] oke, i can also try that [11:46] thanks everyone [11:46] does the 12.2 boot? [11:46] yep, im working now in 12.2 [11:46] I cannot guess how installing enlightenment would cause the system to not boot. [11:47] ok you can fix lilo.conf on that [11:47] IOW, you changed something else too. 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[11:58] i wish chrooting sftp was easy [11:58] oh thats nifty, it gives me the option now to selectively restore tabs because its crashed a few times [11:59] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:59] spook, it hasn't crahsed once for me [11:59] spook: yea. it's the secks [11:59] dive: i loaded up acid 3 and it seems to consistently crash it [11:59] kunal (n=kunal@115.67.41.175) joined ##slackware. [11:59] although I'm running on 12.2 not 13arsey1 [11:59] I've found that, at least in my setup, flash player 10 causes it to crash [11:59] i havent tainted it with flash [11:59] I don't have acid [11:59] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] dive: the acid 3 test. [12:00] ah right [12:00] oh yeah I remember [12:00] gonna test... [12:00] http://acid3.acidtests.org/ [12:01] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@207.216.231.220) joined ##slackware. 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[12:03] I should probably make a new profile to test since I have flashblock and some other stuff [12:03] mac- (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:03] konqueror? i 'ardly know her! [12:03] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.165.220) joined ##slackware. [12:03] kde web browser [12:03] Megabyte (i=1000@201.78.248.69) joined ##slackware. [12:03] for me ff didnt crash, but also scored 93 [12:03] gabriel__: you must be new here [ in bed ] [12:04] maybe [12:04] ph|ber (n=phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] :P [12:04] ff hasnt crashed this time [12:04] Hey everyone. I'm having a problem with slamd64. Can you help me? The issue is: I have sound, alsamixer displays the mixer as it should, but I can't change volume [12:04] moving controls up or down directly in alsamixer makes no difference [12:05] what do you think it is possibly happening? [12:05] Megabyte: m for mute. [12:05] he has sound [12:05] yep [12:05] cya l8r folks [12:05] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [12:05] i got 93/100 [12:05] What's that test for? [12:05] the mixer is displayed, but it doesn't work [12:06] I can't turn up or down the volume; I can't mute it [12:06] shrug [12:06] LOL ie super fail. 5/100 [12:06] maybe your media player is other master to control the volume [12:06] using* [12:07] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-144.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] wow, opera gets 100/100 [12:07] agentc0re|work, it's a mixture of css and js [12:07] o0 [12:07] the mixer device [12:07] agentc0re|work: which ie version? [12:07] gabriel__, it's using hardware volume control [12:07] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:08] spook: ie6. it paused on 5/100 i went back and it was 12/100 but the page was all screwed up looking too. I might need to take a look at my settings. [12:08] agentc0re|work, in opera are the colours the same as on the reference page? [12:08] dive: They are. [12:08] gabriel__, I tested it with audacious [12:08] agentc0re|work: try 7 or 8 [12:08] i use audacious with Master how mixer device [12:08] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Nick change: nheco -> nheco_ [12:09] spook: I will never install that garbage on my machine.. :P [12:09] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:09] my poor development GtkLauncher scores 94/100 in acid3 :) [12:09] gabriel__, mpg321 is suffering from the same issue. Is this global? [12:09] Camarade_Tux, fix it then ;P [12:09] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] my firefox 3.5 also shows 93/100 with the box as grey. Safari 4 on my macbook is 100/100 :D [12:10] but well, I need to stream a video with socat (no vlc), I can do it if I use tcp but not if I use udp [12:10] personally, i configure the keys of my laptop in fluxbox, to turn up or down the Master volume [12:10] fuzzbawl: too easy, my GtkLauncher isn't even a nightly of webkit-gtk ;) [12:10] and all works [12:10] fuzzbawl: what is your sunspider score? [12:10] john_dee (n=id@93-81-71-236.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [12:10] dive: he :P [12:11] http://imagebin.org/56134 [12:11] Camarade_Tux: not sure. lemme run it real quick [12:11] this combination works : socat TCP:127.0.0.1:1337 myfile.avi ............... socat -d TCP-LISTEN:1337 EXEC:'mplayer -cache 8192 -' [12:12] agentc0re|work, now post an IE sshot up [12:12] but I can't manage to use udp instead of tcp, how should I do it? [12:12] dive: Okay, i'll do it before i reset to lowest security settings. [12:14] http://imagebin.org/56135 [12:14] that's IE. [12:15] holy crap [12:15] Megabyte (i=1000@201.78.248.69) left irc: "Leaving" [12:15] wow, even with the security settings change to LOW for everything it still does that. [12:16] it's mainly to do with css [12:16] I gather from the source [12:16] Camarade_Tux: tinyurl.com/menryz [12:16] my sunspider [12:16] heh, well it's just screwed the hell up isn't it? [12:16] with safari [12:17] there is an error on the page, "end tag 'strong' does not match the start tag 'p'. [12:19] fuzzbawl: which hardware? [12:19] Camarade_Tux: early 2007 macbook pro 2.33ghz [12:20] it's a core 2 duo [12:20] KDE3 won't let me use my laptops Fn+Volume Up, Fn+Volume Down, and Fn+Mute buttons as shortcuts for KMixer [12:20] fuzzbawl: core2duo 1.66GHz (plus a low-end), I score 750ms :) [12:20] FF 3.5 did horribly on that sunspider [12:20] does anyone know how I can get it to recognize the keystroke? i believe it works fine with KDE4. [12:20] fuzzbawl: like around 3000ms? [12:21] Camarade_Tux: 1255.4 [12:21] better than I'd expect [12:21] Camarade_Tux: I'm also watching wechoosethemoon.org so that probably doesn't help much [12:21] znuzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] heh, co-worker has ie8 and it only gets 20/100 but at least it shows somewhat normal. all the boxes are grey though. [12:22] znuzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:22] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [12:22] fuzzbawl: 1255 is excellent for firefox! [12:22] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:22] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Connection timed out [12:23] lordsimian (n=lordsimi@144.38.70.37) joined ##slackware. [12:23] but I still don't know how to get socat working ='( [12:23] hmm. maybe i should just install kde4 [12:23] trick_ (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.226) joined ##slackware. [12:24] zaltekk: which wm? [12:24] or de [12:24] kde3 [12:24] when i type Fn+VolumeUp into the shortcut box, it acts as if i deselected it [12:24] and doesn't add the shortcut [12:25] trick_ (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.226) left irc: Client Quit [12:25] is possible configure it with the keycodes? [12:25] gabriel__: i don't know. i was just using the GUI in KMixer [12:26] maybe you should ask in a kde channel :) [12:27] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-182-140.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "[BX] It's not TV. It's BitchX." [12:28] it saves the shortcuts as text in ~/.kde/share/config/kmixrc [12:28] Is there some kind of standard policy or something that says daemons have a file name ending in d ? "*d$" [12:28] i doubt it will understand Fn [12:29] with xev you can get the keycode [12:29] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:30] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.226) left irc: Success [12:30] xev tells me the 4th button on my 4-button trakball is actually button #9, wonder why [12:31] (it's an improvement, before 13.0rc1 the 4th button didn't show up at all, or else appeared to be a second button #3) [12:32] if anyone can help me for a small question wrt socat (transferring a file over udp), please ping me back :) [12:32] kunal (n=kunal@115.67.41.175) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:33] socat... does it have to be socat, or could you use netcat? [12:34] eviljames2 (n=james@207.81.152.66) joined ##slackware. [12:34] hmmm, I should try netcat a bit more, maybe it can do what I want after all [12:35] Action: Camarade_Tux high fives eviljames2 [12:35] Action: eviljames2 high fives Camarade_Tux [12:35] Camarade_Tux: salut, ca va? [12:35] eviljames2: très bien, et toi ? =) [12:35] it's been forever since i've heard french [12:35] c'est bon ici! [12:36] =) [12:36] je parle franais un pue [12:36] it's not good here >.> [12:36] *francais [12:36] however you spell it... [12:36] Necos: hahaha :P [12:36] Camarade_Tux: what actually is it you want to do? (just transfer a file over UDP? or a more specific purpose?) [12:36] stream a video [12:37] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] zaltekk: I work with some French french folk, plus am friends with some Quebecois french (Canuck here)... French is fun :P [12:37] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîăäà ÿ ó́åđ íåáûëî íèêîăî, ệî áû ựî îïđîâåđă" [12:37] ha, I thought netcat couldn't listen, my bad =/ [12:37] hm, is there a VLS (video LAN server) that goes along with VLC? [12:38] vlc can do server ;) [12:39] but vlc doesn't seem to work very well :) [12:39] eviljames2: i took it a couple of times in highschool [12:40] smallfoot- (n=secret@unaffiliated/smallfoot-) joined ##slackware. [12:40] join Xorg, cuz the guys cant ever release on time, they always behind schedule [12:40] took 3 yrs of french in high school, since 1/2 my family is from louisiana >.. [12:40] I like wolfram alpha [12:40] >.> [12:41] my speaking is extremely rusty, but i can still understand some [12:41] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.226) joined ##slackware. [12:41] woot :) [12:41] Who was it that was asking me to do something useful with wolfram alpha [12:42] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-144.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Success [12:42] wolfram alpha is gnarly [12:42] eviljames2: moi ;) [12:42] I had some use for it btw ;) [12:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Camarade_Tux: http://www06.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=canada+gdp+per+capita+vs+france+gdp+per+capita Do that in google :P [12:42] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:43] wow, damn canadians lol [12:43] live in france, it's warmer lol [12:44] Necos: where are you from? [12:44] http://www06.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=canada+gdp+per+capita+vs+USA+gdp+per+capita :( [12:44] giuppy (n=giuppy@host154-161-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:44] lol eviljames2 [12:44] Damn yankee-doodle-dandies are STILL richer than us! [12:44] of course we are ^_^ [12:44] Even with them causing an economic collapse of epic proportions! [12:44] we run tings, tings no run we [12:45] pfft. Run things? You guys barely understand how your own economy works :P People think that the "Money as Debt" video is accurate. [12:45] eviljames2: you don't care, they're richer but that doesn't mean they live better ;) [12:45] Ah, oui! We definitely have better quality of lives in France and Canada (at least, I think so) [12:45] i dunno about you, but i live the rap video life everyday... [12:46] lol [12:46] eviljames2: don't mention safety/police/crime in front of an american, he might become jealous and kill you :D [12:46] the avg. person in the US doesn't do _THAT_ bad... but meh... [12:47] heh, all the canadians i know are potheads >.> [12:47] http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1907543 [12:47] WOOOO! :) [12:47] can't we all just slack in peace? [12:47] no, the canadians started it! [12:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429447.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:47] (typical US response) ^_^ [12:48] australia is better. [12:48] Canada, America's hat. [12:48] :P [12:48] Canada, we're bigger & we're on top. [12:48] eviljames2: you are our overweight girlfriend? [12:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429447.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:48] so does that make mexico America's underwear? ;) [12:48] LOL [12:48] "Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party." -- Robin Williams - Live On Broadway [12:49] LOL [12:49] i remember that Dominian [12:49] heh [12:49] sukaeto (i=1069@113.254.108.102) left irc: "Why can't I just eat my waffle?" [12:49] agentc0re|work: Mexico, North America's diaper. [12:49] lol, netcating is 100% unreliable, or is it udp, I don't know ;p [12:49] netcat uses tcp. [12:49] Camarade_Tux: netcat -u localhost 30000 [12:49] eviljames lol. [12:49] http://www.bustedtees.com/canadaamericashat [12:49] Camarade_Tux: netcat -u -l -p 30000 | mplayer - [12:49] eviljames, that's where all the shit we don't want goes? [12:50] it's udp's fault ;) [12:50] eh, sorry, first command should be: netcat -u localhost 30000 < somevideo.avi [12:50] netcat only uses udp when you tell it to [12:50] Urchlay: port 30000? I use 1337! :D [12:50] Necos: We wish.. Unfortunately we got too small of a diaper because they don't make 5xLarge and the shit is just flowing back in to America. [12:50] "That's what you get for being geographically located above us, suckers! Stay tuned for Mexico: America's Beard." [12:51] just avoid 1024 and below [12:51] well, whichever. It actually did play a video for me, but with a glitch at the very beginning, and I couldn't seek/skip while it was playing [12:51] yeah, it works much better when I use tcp [12:52] lol [12:52] If the USA and Canada were both in jail, the USA would be Canada's bitch. Canada is bigger, and on top. [12:52] wonder if i can use netcat to stream my webcam... [12:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:52] using TCP (leaving the -u off the netcat commands), I don't get the glitch at the start, but still can't seek [12:52] Fenix-Dark: considering that 1% of americans are in jail already... [12:52] Urchlay: I can seek but only forward, that's normal [12:52] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] America has 3 million prisoners? [12:52] (and forward is probably only because of caching) [12:53] Greetings everyone. :) [12:53] egrub (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:53] I do believe that's because AVI files keep the index at the end of the file, and mplayer hasn't read the end of the file yet... [12:53] Urchlay: also, you want to use -cache here, -cache 8192 is nice [12:53] yo fire|bird [12:53] y0 Camarade_Tux. How are you? [12:53] fire|bird: did you hear the news, apocalypse is upon us, run, run! [12:53] my ~/.mplayer/config has "cache=20480" in it already [12:53] Action: fire|bird runs for the hills. [12:54] fire|bird: apart from apocalypse, fine, and you? =) [12:54] lol, doing great, thanks. [12:54] heya fire|bird [12:54] Is this the enchiladapocalypse? The Pork AIDS? The Swinedemic? [12:54] i just realised its 1am and i didnt have lunch or dinner. [12:54] Camarade_Tux: what exactly did you mean last night about trimming my networking stuff? [12:54] heya Necos [12:54] hare hetta [12:54] spook: That layer of blubber is all that's feeding you now? [12:54] i'm skin and bones, no blubber to feed off [12:55] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:55] ahh, just like me. I don't know how you manage to miss a meal then. [12:55] so you're on the crack diet spook? [12:55] on the pre-occupied diet [12:55] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [12:55] Necos: I thought you were the one on the crack diet, living the rap life and all... [12:55] lol [12:56] Marverick (n=Marveric@201-13-183-234.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:56] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] no, that's weed and extasy... get it right man... [12:56] "The Anchorage Daily News reports that a 15-mile-long blob of unknown, 'gooey,' probably organic material is floating past communities on Alaska's North Slope. The US Coast Guard sent pollution experts to investigate, who determined that it was not an oil spill or other type of pollution, but were unable to determine what it is. A sample is currently being analyzed by exprts in Anchorage, while the blob is following the current northwar [12:56] ok, vlc+rtp+mplayer better but still not perfect [12:56] giuppy (n=giuppy@host8-125-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:57] actually udp was maybe better [12:57] (but it's less reliable) [12:57] zaltekk: LOL [12:57] wtf is it [12:58] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051418/ <-- "The Blob" (1958) [12:58] Camarade_Tux: the way I "stream" videos is to run an NFS server on the box with all the movies on it, and mount it on the client that's attached to the TV... and use normal file I/O. This way I get seeking and the ability to use mplayer's OSD menu to select a new movie to watch [12:58] Plot: An alien lifeform consumes everything in its path as it grows and grows. [12:58] fire|bird: in Networking support -> Networking options, you have a lots of things enable and you maybe don't need all of them [12:59] Camarade_Tux: ah, ok. [12:59] Urchlay: ping between server and client should be >70ms [12:59] zaltekk: no, the blob is nvidia's graphic driver ;) [12:59] Camarade_Tux: hrrr? you mean, it *is* > 70ms, and you can't make it lower? [13:00] the blob was an awesome movie [13:00] Urchlay: it has to be >70ms, it's physics :D [13:00] (guess the distance ;) ) [13:00] ah, the server and client aren't on a LAN together, then [13:00] it'll probably be more like 500ms [13:00] Urchlay: no, not at all ;p [13:00] in which case NFS is probably a terrible idea [13:00] hehe :P [13:01] that's why I want udp [13:01] rtp should be better but if the only app that can stream rtp is vlc, since vlc doesn't stream it well... [13:01] (or mplayer doesn't get it properly but I don't believe that'd be the case) [13:01] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] you could try sshfs, or set up a VPN and run NFS over that... but performance would probably be rotten [13:02] avian carrier :) [13:02] That would be a laden Swallow [13:02] carrier pigeon? [13:02] hm, can't gstreamer stream video? (I mean, isn't that why it's called gstreamer?) [13:02] ok, is mms:// better? nope [13:03] flat (n=bkaplan@unaffiliated/flat) left irc: "leaving" [13:03] hm. from gstreamer's readme, it appears I'm wrong [13:03] udp really doesn't work well =/ [13:04] it's maybe because of the encoding, I should put more key frames [13:04] udp isn't reliable... duh [13:04] udp is best effort. [13:04] yeah, so wrap it in ssh [13:04] eviljames2: thats stupid [13:05] ssh doesn't ensure anything more than UDP does IMO [13:05] h264 encoding at 100fps ^^ [13:05] hm. "darwin streaming server", http://developer.apple.com/opensource/server/streaming/index.html, might do what you need? (or not, I just found it googling, I don't know anything about it) [13:05] Necos: ssh uses tcp. [13:05] i'm aware of that spook [13:06] ah: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/rtsp/implementations.html <--- list of RTSP servers [13:06] but it doesn't mean that encapsulating udp in tcp will ensure reliability [13:06] well... [13:06] which is what you'd essentially be doing... [13:06] lol, I'd never thought I could lose udp packets between 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.1 >< [13:07] Necos: it probally would ensure reliability. [13:07] Camarade_Tux: Well, I'm going to recompile the kernel. Any other tips or anything? [13:07] I guess x264/h264 really don't like lost packets [13:08] giuppy (n=giuppy@host8-125-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:08] probably you're better off using TCP, even if there's a lot of latency [13:09] fire|bird: in 6 months I can compile the kernel more than 80 times, don't expect everything right on the first time ;) [13:09] try and see ;) [13:09] Camarade_Tux: haha. alright. [13:09] and udp really not ok [13:10] can current still install .tgz packages? [13:10] spook: sure [13:10] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.15.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] pkgtools is backwards compatible [13:11] Action: Camarade_Tux loves how zsh completes the arguments of removepkg ^^ [13:12] I feel lazy to recompile vlc... [13:12] (and I probably need the x264 package I installed this morning) [13:13] Camarade_Tux: zsh completes the arguments of any well-formed app. [13:13] eviljames2: it needs updates for txz packages though [13:13] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-219-24-54.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [13:13] eviljames2: but for removepkg it goes look at which packages are installed and that's pretty much unexpected at first ;) [13:14] yay for automagic [13:15] failers (i=asdfsadf@c-51ae71d5.106-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] hmm, anyway to simulate latency in a pipe? [13:15] failers (i=asdfsadf@c-51ae71d5.106-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:15] hmmm, do I really need that? [13:16] oh, I know :) [13:16] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:16] 210ms, good :) [13:16] failers (i=asdfsadf@c-51ae71d5.106-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:17] failers (i=asdfsadf@c-51ae71d5.106-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:17] bot-net (n=void@209.180.207.66) joined ##slackware. [13:17] oh hai [13:18] xorg being magic is really awesome [13:18] spook: as long as it works [13:18] yo bot-net [13:19] Camarade_Tux: does for me. :) [13:19] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks bot-net is probably borg [13:19] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-178-224.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-217.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] spook: but it breaks easily imho [13:19] slackpkg upgrade-all results in new slackpkg installed with new mirrors list which has slackware64 13.0 listed but I get 404 errors from each mirror I try...should I just be patient or am I "doin it rong" [13:19] Camarade_Tux: heh [13:19] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-178-224.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-159.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Camarade_Tux: Locutus_of_Borg is my moniker on many a website ;p [13:20] he :P [13:20] Camarade_Tux: with bash, I go "cd /var/log/packages", then "removepkg whatever"... I suppose if I liked bash-completion enough to install it, it would work like zsh [13:20] hmmm, now should i eat or start drinking? [13:20] Urchlay: I : remo what [13:21] spook: Beer. [13:21] shorter :) [13:21] no beer in the house [13:21] Camarade_Tux: yeah, I know how to make bash do that, I just don't care enough :) [13:21] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:22] I once set up bash-completion to complete game names for xmame... xmame pac (showed pacman, pacmanjr, pacplus, whatever else) [13:22] meh, I can't do the tests I wanted to do ='( [13:23] Urchlay: I didn't even know zsh did that, I set nothing ;) [13:23] Camarade_Tux: try unpacking a source tarball, cd into it, and go ./configure --, see if it shows all the --options [13:23] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:24] or if you're in a directory with a Makefile, you can probably "make " and it'll show all the make targets [13:24] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-122-43-238.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Urchlay: it does :D [13:25] remind me what i need to compile 32bit on 64current [13:26] yah. Bash can do all that stuff too, if you install the bash-completion package... but it's in extra/, not installed by default, most people never mess with it [13:26] spook: get Fred's compat32 packages: rsync://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current [13:26] spook: install 'em, then "gcc -m32 foo.c -o foo" will work and produce a 32-bit binary [13:27] I'd really like to know how zsh and bash-compleration compare [13:27] I haven't used zsh, and haven't used bash-completion in a couple of years... [13:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-122-43-238.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] and does bash-completion support expansion of /m/s/M/z/2/Fait into /mnt/sdb1/Musique/zz_temp/2/Faith.No.More-The.Works\(2008\)Scruff/ ? [13:28] Urchlay: thankye :) [13:28] hm. Actually bash-completion *just* got added to -current yesterday, that might be why nobody uses it :) [13:28] Camarade_Tux: not without the tab key, it doesn't (or didn't when I last tried it) [13:28] in extra or not? [13:28] boooo! [13:28] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:28] Urchlay: of course, with tab, but only at the end [13:29] extra/bash-completion/bash-completion-20060301-noarch-2.txz: Added. [13:29] Camarade_Tux: eh, I have no idea if it'll do that with only one Tab press. [13:29] it wasn't there before? :o [13:29] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] apparently it wasn't [13:29] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-4a4f3d6b78574e38) left irc: [13:29] http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2/extra/bash-completion/ [13:30] Camarade_Tux: hm. So it used to be in extra, then it wasn't, now it is again? Or Pat goofed in the ChangeLog? [13:30] Urchlay: is that junk going to be added into 64? [13:31] smallfoot- (n=secret@unaffiliated/smallfoot-) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:31] spook: I dunno. I do know alienBOB was (is?) working on a different set of compat32 packages, not bootstrapped from slamd64 like fred's are, but I have no idea whether either set will end up in 13.0 [13:32] Urchlay: I think it was "upgraded" instead of "added" [13:32] ooo, compat32 packages are planned for 13.064 bit then(possibly?) [13:32] or sometime there after.. [13:33] Urchlay: i'm not so much worried about 13.0, but just the distro in general [13:33] giuppy (n=giuppy@host27-168-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:34] who knows if libs will get thrown in or not. [13:34] I wouldn't be surprised if they are not, personally [13:34] agentc0re|work: eh, I didn't actually say that... I said I didn't know... I suspect they'll be part of the distro, but maybe in extra/ or a new compat32/ directory, not part of a full install from the installer [13:35] or like slamd64 does it, in a /d/ dedicated to compatibility [13:35] but that's just a suspicion, not based on actually knowing anything solid :) [13:35] it would be nice if they weren't included by default [13:36] really? how come? [13:36] zaltekk: why? [13:36] Urchlay: "I do know alienBOB was (is?) working on a different set of compat32 packages" Sounds more like you "know" than "suspicion" in the way it has been worded. [13:36] :D [13:36] they could be annoying to compile on your own and it wouldn't cost much to put them somewhere on the installation dvd [13:36] s/could/would/ [13:36] Camarade_Tux: i'd rather not have then installed unless i have a specific need for them [13:36] agentc0re|work: well, not everything alienBOB does, becomes an official part of Slackware... he might just put them on his site for people to download, when he's finished [13:37] Camarade_Tux: i just mean that i'd have to choose to install them [13:37] Urchlay: true. [13:37] zaltekk: if they're in a different series, it's easy to deselect them [13:37] yes [13:37] zaltekk: well doing it like slamd64 does it, its really easy to not install them [13:37] and slamd64 doesnt have them selected by default [13:37] Camarade_Tux: that is fine. but putting them in with the base of the system wouldn't be very nice [13:37] hm. It's 13:37 now... is that the nerd's equivalent to the pot smokers' 4:20? [13:37] Urchlay: i think so. [13:37] 420? what [13:38] Urchlay: Go hack the gibson! [13:38] its 01:37, where are you Urchlay ? [13:38] lol : http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/show.dml/4151978 [13:38] spook: ??? 1:37 _is_ 13:37 [13:38] agentc0re|work: Atlanta area, southeast USA [13:39] zaltekk: ............... ZERO ONE THREE SEVEN is not ONE THREE THREE SEVEN [13:39] oh, a leading zero :P [13:39] sorry, i've only been up an hour [13:39] Urchlay: that stupid, it should be 13:37 on the west coast of usa. [13:40] s/west/east/ [13:40] because thats the opposite side of the earth [13:40] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:40] spook: where the heck are you? [13:40] opposite california [13:41] not having a globe handy... where is that? [13:41] china [13:41] So, we go to California, dig a hole straight through the center of the earth, and we pop up somewhere near spook. [13:41] lol [13:41] no you won't... [13:41] you'll drown [13:41] spook: are you really in china? [13:42] rob0: it would need to be mid south east california. [13:42] Camarade_Tux: use logic. [13:43] "Make a hole perpendicular to the name of this town on a desktop globe. Exit wound in a foreign nation, showing the name of the one this was written for..." [13:43] spook: good too :) [13:43] and I remembered you were .au ;) [13:44] (think those are the lyrics to a They Might Be Giants song) [13:44] Action: Camarade_Tux notes there is a 450ms ping between him and spook [13:44] Camarade_Tux: you get a [13:44] oh, irc client ping [13:44] Urchlay: which song? [13:45] CTCP PING reply from Camarade_Tux: 1.997 seconds [13:45] nheco_ (n=nheco_nh@201-10-62-159.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [13:45] annang [13:45] bah [13:45] or anna ng [13:45] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [13:47] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.64) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:47] Camarade_Tux: Well, it's only 1 second for me.. [13:47] spook: How's the great firewall experiment going? [13:47] the fudemental rule of IT, the "quick" question is always the longest one [13:47] "Ana Ng" [13:47] about a girl who lives on the opposite side of the world [13:48] quoted from memory, probaby I got it wrong [13:48] here is the video: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2025055/v2148206 [13:48] eviljames2: you're a bit behind [13:49] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [13:49] eviljames2: its only for 5 isps, each of which has about 10 customers. [13:49] bot-net (n=void@209.180.207.66) left irc: "leaving" [13:49] spook: That happens regularly.. I thought .au was going to pull a China? [13:49] yay, that video crashes firefox 3.5. Gee, thanks, Macromedia [13:49] eviljames2: yeah. [13:49] znuzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] Oh, good luck on them expanding their client base. [13:50] one of the two evil james's are fake [13:50] eviljames2: no no, its more about doing a 'trial' and showing that it works. [13:50] dispite the fact that every expert says it doesnt work. [13:50] On a busy network, it simply couldn't. [13:51] it filters http traffic by url, last i checked [13:51] pretty much the only flash-based video site that works for me is youtube (all the other ones I try, they crash the browser instantly) [13:51] nmap 5 was released [13:51] oh pfft, that'll never work. [13:51] Action: Urchlay considers going back to nspluginwrapper + 32-bit flash [13:51] Urchlay: that sucks, I have had good luck with it so far [13:52] eviljames2: exactly [13:52] Marverick (n=Marveric@201-13-183-234.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: [13:52] Urchlay: ewww [13:52] third time I update my system today :D [13:52] Urchlay: That really sucks. [13:52] Urchlay: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/matching/youtube/eW91dHViZQ==/sort-by-votes [13:52] whats it called when you line up shots and do them all in a row? [13:53] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-64-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:53] hi slack' friends :) [13:54] yo fredoslack [13:54] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429447.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] hi Camarade_Tux :) [13:56] spook: A marathon? [13:56] eviljames2: today's zsh update makes zsh complete .txz files for installpkg ;) [13:56] agentc0re|work: I already have youtube-dl... my problem isn't youtube, it's any *other* video site [13:57] new updates today [13:57] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] new kernel :} [13:57] or yesterday [13:57] new updates yesterday [13:58] eviljames2: no [13:58] fawcao (n=fawcao@201.38.18.147) joined ##slackware. [13:59] twolf: you on 64-bit or 32-bit, -current or 12.2 or what? [13:59] 64bit current [14:00] hm. And that "ana ng" video played just fine for you? [14:00] Urchlay: yes it did, as have all other flash videos [14:00] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl9-79.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:00] using firefox 3.5 + flashplayer-plugin-10.0.22.87 or what? [14:00] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-182-140.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] yep, exactly that combo [14:01] hello everyone [14:01] I didn't reinstall the flash plugin after updating to 3.5 either [14:01] hm. Exactly that combo crashes for me :( [14:02] Urchlay, yes, firefox 3.5 and flash 64 for me [14:02] it's work fine [14:02] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-167.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:03] let me try creating a new user who doesn't already have a ~/.mozilla + a bunch of firefox extensions, see if he has the same problem. [14:03] except the fonts gtk under KDE [14:03] berk [14:03] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.55) joined ##slackware. [14:03] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-167.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [14:03] Honestly though, if it turns out to be something like adblock or noscript causing the problem, I'd rather keep those and not be able to play videos [14:03] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-167.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:04] ubuntu (n=ubuntu@cp69851-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:04] ubuntu welcome [14:04] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-167.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] ubuntu (n=ubuntu@cp69851-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] feel change your distro ? ^^ [14:04] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-167.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:04] glen2 (n=glen@78.86.231.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:05] i have ff 3.5 + flash do you want me to test anything ? [14:05] Nick change: spook -> slackware [14:05] :) [14:05] hi slackware =) [14:05] Hey Lord_Khelben [14:05] Lord_Khelben: might as well. http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2025055/v2148206 <-- see if that plays and doesn't crash the browser [14:05] Nick change: slackware -> Guest80229 [14:05] Lord_Khelben, yes, wine 64 under slack 64 :( [14:05] Guest80229: haha, I take it that one's registered. :P [14:05] on 64 too like fredoslack [14:05] and i have adblock + noscript :) [14:05] apparently [14:06] I have adblock plus but not noscript [14:06] Lord_Khelben: definitely try it then [14:06] watch me join #ubuntu [14:06] wine64 is still everything except stable ;) [14:07] fredoslack: i compiled wine64 3-4 days ago [14:07] but since i don't have any win64 binaries it wasn't much useful [14:07] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left ##slackware. [14:07] Lord_Khelben: and it's working well? [14:07] Nick change: Guest80229 -> spook [14:07] Lord_Khelben, nice ... you should write your way :) [14:07] what's wine64 actually good for? Most windows exes are still 32-bit, no? [14:07] You can run Photoshop! [14:07] Lord_Khelben: you only had to ask for some ;) [14:07] I think that's the only app of the Adobe suite that actually uses 64 bit. [14:07] Urchlay: mingw-w64 coming nicely (and can make 32bit binaries too, and better than mingw) [14:07] Urchlay, good for linux ' 64 ? [14:07] (and yes they are separate projects) [14:08] y would want run a 32 bits windows program [14:08] fredoslack: i didn't do anything special [14:08] fredoslack: try 7zip [14:08] under a slack 64 [14:08] Camarade_Tux, i've got it [14:08] fredoslack: The majority of Windows apps are 32 bit. [14:08] just compile gcc 4.4 [14:08] then wine64 [14:08] it's the best for me :) [14:09] ok [14:09] fredoslack: i only want wine to play baldur's gate :) [14:09] and I have plenty of win64 binaries (or had them but that's another matter) [14:09] its 32bit binary [14:09] ok ... in my case, it's for a plugin under Winamp [14:09] eviljames, and the majority of (windows) 64bit app just don't do :P [14:09] is name is Enhancer [14:09] how many shots should i do in a row [14:09] 13 :) [14:10] 13 makes me vomit. [14:10] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-167.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [14:10] 12.2? [14:10] after about 2 hours [14:10] it's a supersticious number ? [14:10] that's good then :) [14:10] and vomit for about an hour [14:10] spook: use emacs's latest version number? [14:10] Action: Camarade_Tux hides [14:11] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:11] i'me going to do the wash [14:11] i come back :) [14:11] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:12] 3 is a good number [14:12] at least go for 7 [14:12] of cuban rum? [14:13] imported from cuba? [14:13] cuban recipe, made in domician republic [14:13] i have 5 shot glasses, i'll do that [14:14] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl9-79.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "brb" [14:14] chaser... [14:15] no [14:15] y would want run a 32 bits windows program <--- because damn near all windows programs are 32-bit [14:15] for example, games [14:15] heh [14:16] yes Urchlay [14:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:16] do you think it's possible ? [14:16] under slack 64 and wine 64 [14:16] i think i should compile wine before i do these shots [14:16] pretty much my only use for wine would be to play games (but I haven't been playing a lot of games lately either) [14:16] fredoslack: yes [14:16] spook: how many shots, of what? [14:16] i've got vista and slack in dual boot [14:17] meh, I've got win7 x64 rc and slackware6413-rc1 ;p [14:17] the only thing i want uneder slack, [14:17] it's a greffon like Enhancer [14:17] under * [14:17] Urchlay: 5 of 80 proof rum [14:17] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-228-113.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] s/greffon/plugin/ ;) [14:18] i was think convert dll into so [14:18] but i'ts seem's very hard lol [14:18] once again, it's not hard, it's impossible! [14:18] and i dont' have the source :( [14:18] lol yes [14:19] but what does it do? [14:19] it is a winamp DSP/Effect plugin [14:19] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl19-221.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Urchlay: sorry for the delay. i had 40sec lag and had to reboot my modem [14:20] the video works ok [14:20] but which effects? [14:20] however i love ma slack :) [14:20] and doesn't crash ff [14:20] it works on 3.5 and 3.5.1pre [14:20] it's good for learning [14:20] Camarade_Tux: it boosts the levels of certian things...i think vocals and guitar come out clearer [14:20] it kinda seperates out the noise between things [14:21] no idea how it actualy works, but it does make low quality mp3s sound much better [14:21] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:21] okay lets play a game. 5 shots and compile 32bit wine on slackware64-current. [14:22] 1 extra shot for every error you get. [14:22] lol [14:22] spook: using fred's compat libs or compile those too ? [14:22] Lord_Khelben: whichever [14:22] hey after modifying a .config for a kernel, compiling, then 'make modules_install', do the old modules get erased or do the new modules just coexist along side the old ones? [14:23] stitchman: depends on kernel version and kernel label [14:23] nekuro (n=Nekuro@iburst-41-213-114-84.iburst.co.za) left ##slackware. [14:23] stitchman: all the modules in /lib/modules get deleted and new ones are installed [14:23] Lord_Khelben: no. [14:23] if we are talking for the same kernel revision both times e.g 2.6.30 [14:23] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host155-85-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:24] same kernel, but compiled for different processor family [14:24] if you give each compile a different label, they can co-exist [14:24] I see [14:24] yes if you do the local_version stuff [14:24] then they can be used together [14:24] ah ok thanks [14:24] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:287) joined ##slackware. [14:24] its actually in the kernel config :)] [14:25] yay 10mbit [14:25] no more SSH dieing [14:25] acidchil1: yay [14:25] i only get 8mbit [14:26] i had 35mbit up and down.. but i moved. been using someone elses 2mbit dsl line and a open wifi point that dies alot [14:26] now i got 'free' cable :D [14:26] cool [14:26] 10mbit, phone, HD TV [14:26] for a year.. then i'll just cancel it :/ [14:27] [cid ~]$ n to septic.ziwall.net closed.tic.ziwall.net: Connection timed out [14:27] this is an annoying ass message to come back to all the time. [14:27] i recently just got a 20/5 w/qwest. [14:27] nice. [14:27] 5 shots. [14:27] i got like .5mb up [14:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Success [14:27] blowage :D [14:28] ick [14:28] heh, was seeding with 400k last night and it wasn't effecting anything else. [14:29] i hate you all [14:29] laterz :) [14:29] later Camarade_Tux :) [14:29] Lord_Khelben: why [14:29] Lord_Khelben: thanks. :) [14:29] i pay for 24mbit/1mbit download with 100kb/sec (max 300-400 in the good times) and at this time of day i have 30-40sec lag [14:30] and dns doesn't work [14:30] actually it depends on the dslam/bras/whatever. if i have 79... ip like now everything works fine if i have 184.. ip i have lag and dns works anytime it likes [14:31] those shots have gone to my head in about 5 minutes [14:31] wines compiling still [14:31] fire|bird: before I go, have you recompiled your kernel? [14:31] i think. everything is kinda blurry [14:31] spook: what shots are these ? [14:32] soon spook will do head-desk :) [14:32] tequila ? rum ? vodka ? [14:32] piquette [14:32] Lord_Khelben: rum. [14:36] Camarade_Tux: configuring it now. [14:36] < 8.6 :) [14:36] dizzy..... [14:36] spook: I think you missed another error.. 5 more shots. [14:36] no errors on the compile yet. [14:37] fire|bird: ok, you'll tell me if it changes a lot of things :) [14:37] we should hack spook's box and put some errors in the compile :) [14:37] Lord_Khelben: good luck. [14:38] Camarade_Tux: yeah, I will. :) [14:38] everything is spinning [14:38] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:39] should have eaten before rather than after [14:39] spook: stop turning your chair round and round, the spinning will stop. :P [14:39] hehe [14:39] spook: quick, eat something greasy! [14:39] y0 agentc0re|work [14:40] eating canned, baked beans + mushrooms + bacon bits + sausages [14:40] cold [14:40] hello fire|bird|phoenix|storm|super|extreme|awesome|pwnage! :P [14:40] hahahahahaha [14:40] agentc0re|work: lol [14:40] now that's a cool nick. A little long though. [14:40] :P [14:41] :D [14:41] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:41] I wondering if it would let you register it... [14:41] agentc0re|work: taht site you gave yesterday provided some interesting ones. :P [14:41] you young whipper snappers and your long nicks [14:41] BACK IN THE DAY we had 1 character nicks [14:41] and we made do [14:41] i was s [14:42] why we had to deliver our messages by hand [14:42] agentc0re|work: Well, fwiw, that one ISN'T registered. [14:42] none of this irc interbuttnetblags mumbojumbo [14:42] spook: lol [14:42] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] I guess I'd have been 'f' back in the day. [14:43] i had to walk barefoot, in the snow, uphill, BOTH WAYS just to get my messages out [14:43] seems like there'd be a lot of nick collisions. [14:43] lol, no doubt. [14:43] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] agentc0re|work: well there was only 12 of us to begin with [14:44] spook: how old are you? [14:44] poor KDE 3.5.10 [14:44] 903 years old [14:44] it's the end :( [14:44] fredoslack: why poor kde 3.5.10? [14:44] spook: is that your age in current version format? [14:44] spook: wow, yet you don't look a day over 21. ;) [14:45] 9.03Alpha [14:45] fire|bird, it used it a long time ;') [14:45] i used it * [14:45] fredoslack: Is it the best version of KDE yet, only to be ignored for 4.2? [14:45] fredoslack: switched to kde4? [14:45] god damn it and your lack of recognising dr. who [14:45] yes i've switched to kde 4 [14:45] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:45] i wait kde 4.3 :} [14:45] 3.5 hasn't been worked on for a couple years, why would it be included? [14:45] it will be the best i think :} [14:45] fredoslack: I await 4.3 as well. How do you like kde4? [14:46] and then we will wait for kde 4.3.1 etc [14:46] fire|bird, very nice [14:46] good [14:46] Redinger|off: agreed. :) [14:46] err. tab fail [14:46] fire|bird, very beautiful [14:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-159.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:46] how the heck did I get that nick. :P [14:46] fredoslack: agreed. [14:46] the 4.0 and 4.1 wre bad :( [14:46] were [14:46] thats what i hate about qt [14:46] but with 4.2 <3 <3 [14:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-11-217.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] fire|bird: good memory [14:47] when kde3 reached a great level of useability, qt4 was out and everything is ported to qt4 [14:47] fredoslack: yes, 4.0 and 4.1 were horrible. [14:47] yes lol [14:47] now kde4 supports less than half of what kde3 supported [14:47] Robinho_Peixoto (n=chatzill@189.105.72.126) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Lord_Khelben: all that will come though, with time. [14:47] when kde4 has all the nice features [14:47] qt5 will be released and back to the drawing board [14:47] aboout gnome, [14:48] xfce is as better [14:48] is as best [14:48] in your opinion [14:48] yes :( [14:48] :P [14:49] hmm almost work time [14:49] juice: \o/ :P [14:49] i WIN WINE COMPILED [14:49] lol [14:49] was it not compiling? [14:49] Charley, tell spook what he won. :) [14:50] spook: Hmm, sorry, seems as though Charley isn't around. :D [14:50] fire|bird: who [14:50] i've noticed a difference in sound quality between alsa and oss, oss seems to sound nicer. is there any evidence to support this? [14:50] :P [14:51] fire|bird: who the hell is charley [14:51] campassi, i know only alsa [14:51] the sound is ... [14:51] yeah... alsa doesn't sound as clear.. [14:51] campassi: There probably is somewhere out there. I had heard oss4 was suppose to be nice, never tried it myself though. [14:51] medium :( [14:52] spook: j/k'ing, just a made up name. I just said it beings you said you WIN. :) [14:52] if someone have an equivalent of Enhancer [14:52] Robinho_Peixoto (n=chatzill@189.105.72.126) left ##slackware. [14:52] (Winamp) [14:53] i will be very grateful :p [14:53] i guess it does what its name say ? [14:53] it enhances sound in some way ? [14:53] yes Lord_Khelben [14:53] fire|bird: well i declared a game [14:53] reverberation, echo, etc [14:53] and i won the game [14:53] drum, bass, etc [14:53] spook: done compiling? [14:53] and for all you lame-o's still playing, you all just lose [14:54] spook: were there other participants too ? [14:54] :P [14:54] fredoslack: can't xmms use winamp plugins? [14:54] fraktil: yes. who are you [14:54] Lord_Khelben: i dont think anyone else was playing' [14:54] then no doubt you won :P [14:54] fire|bird, no :"' [14:54] :'( [14:54] sixxxx (n=sixxxx@212.183.134.210) joined ##slackware. [14:54] fredoslack: I was sure it could. [14:54] fire|bird, whith Wine [14:55] fire|bird: it can use winamp skins [14:55] fire|bird, Enhancer is a dll :( [14:55] but plugins are programs so i guess its normal it can't use them [14:55] fredoslack: no, the way I'm thinking didn't need wine. If I figure it out again, I'll let you know. [14:55] or exe [14:55] okay now, what do i need to do to get wine working? [14:55] spook: drink it? [14:55] thinks fire|bird :) [14:55] fredoslack: you need to buy spook some shots [14:55] so that he tells you what he did :P [14:56] i would prefer without wine, of course ;) [14:56] someone asking how to compile wine32? [14:56] Lord_Khelben, wait i take my Harrap's i dont' understand spook lol [14:57] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:57] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [14:57] someone remind me how to loopback mount an iso [14:58] is it -o ? [14:58] mount -o loop file /mountpoint [14:58] suid0_ (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Client Quit [14:58] Lord_Khelben: thanks :) [14:58] iGaucho (n=marco@72.8.67.132) joined ##slackware. [14:58] or losetup /dev/loop0 file; mount /dev/loop0 /mountpoint [14:58] but noone uses that [14:58] Lord_Khelben, i didn't understand what you said, [14:58] sorry :( [14:59] fredoslack: you asked what do you need to do to make wine working [14:59] and i said since spook finished it 5min ago [14:59] you need to buy him some shots so that he tells you what he did [15:00] ok [15:00] i've understand :) [15:00] highlight my name for anything you wish to ask of me [15:01] otherwise it gets lost in the blurryness [15:01] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [15:03] does Networkmanager come with gnome ? [15:03] sixxxx: slackware doesn't come with gnome [15:04] sixxxx: networkmanager sucks compared to wicd [15:04] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] yeah i know but if i got dropline gnome it would have it ? ....do you use it [15:04] except maybe for modems and 3g [15:04] sixxxx: this is not the support channel for dropline [15:04] yeah thats what i need it for spook [15:04] k [15:04] what's wrong with networkmanager? [15:04] gnome distros like ubuntu,fedora etc include networkmanager but i don't if it is part of gnome or not [15:05] thrice you use gnome [15:05] sixxxx: this is #spookverydrunk [15:05] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] lol spoke [15:05] sixxxx: no, not on slackware :) [15:05] I've used ubuntu machines with network manager, and it seems OK though [15:05] oh right .....i need 3g modem support [15:05] on slack [15:05] sixxxx: theres other programs [15:06] which spook ? [15:06] sixxxx: unfortunately i am extremely drunk and cant remember [15:06] hehehe [15:06] lol [15:06] spook is probably the most useless resource you will find [15:06] what is the issue, sixxxx ? [15:06] thrice`: that hurt [15:06] i will install a 32 bit' slack lol [15:07] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:07] im using ubuntu when using 3g modem but prefer slack [15:07] ubuntu is slow as hell :| [15:07] ah, ok. well, there are gnome projects for slackware :) [15:07] gnome slackbuild is another [15:07] fredoslack: is this enhancer so important ? [15:08] yeah ill have to give it ago thrice [15:08] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-58-244.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] i googled for 3g modem linux but some pages i read said to use pppd. they didn't mention anything special [15:08] your modem needs a special driver ? [15:08] most programs use pppd [15:08] Zordrak: Yo. check out webacula. It's been updated and has improved for the interface. works nicely. [15:09] yeah it's pppd [15:09] but you need to do the thing with the usb <-> pppd connection [15:09] which is why you need a program [15:09] also network selection [15:09] yeah, I don't think wicd will do it nicely [15:09] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [15:09] ill try slackbuild [15:09] gnome [15:09] spook: it needs a special driver to register ttyUSB ? [15:10] nah, you can do it with just pppd [15:10] wicd is working on it [15:10] oh, though I don't bother with network selection [15:10] i guess usb acm support would work but i never used a 3g modem so i may be way wrong [15:10] wicd support 3g modems ? [15:10] fred you use 3g modem ? [15:10] sixxxx: not yet. [15:11] sixxxx, no [15:11] finally the changelog gets to blueyonder [15:11] iGaucho (n=marco@72.8.67.132) left irc: [15:11] what arguments do i use with unzip? [15:11] spook: unzip filename.zip [15:12] Lord_Khelben: thanks [15:12] unzip her dress [15:12] unzip -l file.zip if you want to see the contents prior to unzip it [15:12] [ in bed ] [15:12] dive: woot [15:13] real test of usability: drunks [15:13] sixxxx: you can run dmesg from the ubuntu box and see if it load any special driver. otherwise it will work fine on slack. you will only need to setup pppd with username/pass [15:14] sixxxx, might want to check lsmod and lspci too [15:14] yeah Lord_Khelben ireally want to get back to slack again ..ive never used ppp before only had wifi [15:14] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:14] yes also check what dive said [15:14] what can i use to extract .rar? [15:14] spook: rar x file.rar [15:14] rar -x file.rar [15:14] fedel (n=amaral@gia03.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [15:14] oh yeah -- [15:15] just x [15:15] yeah thanks [15:15] command not foudn [15:15] hmm [15:15] slackpkg install rar [15:15] man slackpkg though [15:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-11-217.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:16] rar isn't a default application or package in Slackware [15:16] spook: you should check out pig [15:16] that I know of at least [15:16] couldn't you use unrar? it's on slackbuilds [15:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-11-114.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Dominian: thats what i thought [15:16] rar/unrar isn't in slack you can download it from rarlab.com if ou don't have it [15:16] spook: i suggest http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/unrar/ [15:16] You can get the buildscript for it from slackbuilds [15:16] rar and unrar are very different [15:16] Lord_Khelben: unrar is also on slackbuilds.org [15:17] strane I though rar was but unrar wasn't [15:17] rar is closed source [15:17] unrarring is 'permitted' i believe [15:17] yes rar is binary (also provides unrar). unrar exists also as an opensource project the one the slackbuild uses [15:18] slackbuilds has both [15:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-167.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:18] i know that kde's ark can extract rar when you build/install unrar [15:19] 7-zip is radical :} [15:20] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [15:22] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [15:22] according to many pages, 3g modems use the usb-serial drivers (most of them use the airprime driver) but i can't find any such driver in 2.6.30 [15:22] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:22] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving." [15:22] so i don't know what you will need [15:22] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [15:23] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Client Quit [15:23] maybe dmesg/lsmod shine some light [15:23] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:23] how do i trick games i'm running in wine into think i have the cd in the drive [15:24] spook: go to .wine mkdir a drive_d [15:24] and run winecfg [15:25] and add a drive but go to advanced and say it is a cdrom drive [15:25] or you can ln -s the real game to this dir [15:25] the trick is to mark it as cdrom from winecfg [15:25] Lord_Khelben: thanks [15:25] spook you run win yahoo chat clients in wine ? [15:25] spook: or go to www.megagames.com and download a nocd patch [15:26] tecky_sbux (n=jkroll@nmd.sbx09529.queenny.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Lord_Khelben: woot its working THAMLS O LOVE YOU [15:28] the winecfg way or the nocd download ? [15:29] though both work :) [15:29] winecfs [15:29] what game do you play ? [15:29] trying to play mechcommander 1 [15:30] ah you play oldies too [15:30] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [15:31] fredoslack: 7zip is nice yes [15:31] Lord_Khelben, yes under windows and linux :) [15:31] i remember when rar came out it was great comparing to arj (arj dominated the dos world then) [15:32] then ace came but wasn't accepted so much as rar [15:32] yes i remember arj he he [15:32] now 7zip/xz(lzma) are great [15:32] whats wrong with tar.gz or tar.bz2 [15:32] it can open iso' :} [15:32] spook: tar wasn't used in dos/windows world [15:33] Lord_Khelben: yeah :/ [15:33] it was pkzip then arj then rar [15:33] tar had to be ported via gnu [15:33] Any ideas why I get errors in Firefox starting up, checking if the program is executable? [15:33] until the likes of winrar [15:33] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-8-167.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [15:34] Shingoshi: if you run it from an xterm/konsole/whatever what errors does it say ? [15:34] Shingoshi: gday [15:35] /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.1/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 14593 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} [15:35] bash-4.0$ mc /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.1/run-mozilla.sh [15:35] \o/ [15:36] It's checking if firefox is executable. [15:36] Shingoshi: this is a prelease ? [15:37] is 3.5.1 out yet ? i didn't notice it [15:37] I can run it in safe-mode [15:38] question .. how can i roll back my kernel from 2.6.27.7 to 2.6.24.5 ?? [15:38] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] hou hou [15:38] roll back berk [15:38] spadxiii, 2.6.27.7 don't work well ? [15:38] do not * [15:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:39] install slack-current ;) [15:39] doesn't * [15:39] it won't let me have 2 hard drives, i can only attach one at a time ;-/ [15:39] doesn't ok sorry [15:39] i have to use slack 12.1.. but slackpkg installed 2.6.27.7 :( [15:39] thats pretty weird [15:40] the kernel doesn't care how many drives you have :) [15:40] lol [15:40] ;_; [15:40] spadxiii: is it a weird controller ? [15:41] perhaps; it's mini-itx.. sata.. software raid [15:41] intel ichX, jmicron, silicon image work fine [15:41] usually its one of them [15:41] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [15:42] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:42] anyway, you can download the kernel and kernel-modules package you want and installpkg them yourself [15:42] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "Changing server" [15:42] but don't forget to modify lilo.conf and rerun lilo [15:42] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:42] ok ta [15:43] why you have to use 12.1 ? [15:43] (and not 12.2) ? [15:43] just curious [15:43] the newer kernel doesn't allow 2 hard drives on my machine [15:44] that is an odd problem [15:44] plug in sda and sdb, only sda shows.. if i unplug sda.. only sdb shows [15:44] not fault [15:44] fallertsen (n=lupin@host11-42-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:44] hei you all [15:45] hello fallertsen [15:45] helloooo fallertsen [15:45] I just want to tell you that there is a typo error on the last Changelog [15:46] why would you tell us? :) [15:46] all the kernel packages have the extension "tgz" and not "txz" [15:46] thrice`: well, I've to send a mail to PJV just for that? :-P [15:47] hurray for wine [15:47] man am i drunk [15:47] spook, dunnoo, why do you ask? :-) [15:48] fallertsen: well, if it really bugs you, he is the only one who can fix it :) [15:48] spook: How many shots did you end up having? [15:49] thrice`: ok, it's just an information, not really a "bug" [15:49] panzer_ (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [15:50] fallertsen: 64-bit shows .txz fwiw [15:51] http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [15:51] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] i386 .tgz [15:51] yes 32bit says tgz 64bit says txz [15:51] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:51] agentc0re|work: shots of wine? I'd imagine that won't be too effective until about the 20th or so. [15:51] fallertsen: the packages are correclty .txz [15:51] its just a typo in the changelog [15:51] Though, an Ironman competition (100 shots in 100 minutes) would work in that case. [15:51] SoulSeller (i=ss@unaffiliated/soulseller) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Nick change: panzer_ -> panzer [15:52] agentc0re|work: 5 instead of dinner [15:52] Lord_Khelben: yes, I've seen, just to tell about the typo error, to do not it again the next time :-) [15:52] glad you noticed it. i never notice the extention :) [15:53] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:53] isn't 5 shots pretty low to be so drunk ? [15:54] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [15:54] Lord_Khelben: that depends on the size of a shot. If it's a 250ml shot, probably not. [15:54] hehe [15:55] http://www.hmaier.gr/images/13a_Stamperl--B52-9054-JPEG.gif [15:55] i assume these kind of shots [15:55] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:55] SoulSeller (i=ss@unaffiliated/soulseller) left ##slackware. [15:55] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6030.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] k, then 5 in under 5 minutes would get you pretty short-term hammered [15:56] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:56] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [15:56] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] is there a way to find out if my hard drive is failing? [15:56] 50ml shots, instead of dinner [15:56] missyjane: smart [15:56] giuppy (n=giuppy@host27-168-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:56] how do i activate it? [15:56] missyjane: there is the s.m.a.r.t tests if the disk supports it [15:56] but its not a guarantee [15:56] missyjane: hdparam [15:56] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] you can run smartctl -t long /dev/sda [15:57] let me check i think this is the usage [15:57] your syslog would prolly have drive errors too [15:57] hm hdparam is not a command [15:57] hdparm [15:57] sure it is [15:58] oh parm [15:58] hm ok [15:58] missyjane: if your disk is /dev/sda then smartctl -t long /dev/sda [15:58] wait how many minutes it says (usually 90) [15:58] do short first [15:58] and then run smartctl -a /dev/sda|less [15:58] to see the results [15:59] HI everybody. [15:59] first it prints info then attributes then it will have the test summary [15:59] Please wait 136 minutes for test to complete. Test will complete after Thu Jul 16 18:15:18 2009 [16:00] my server's motherboard have crashed [16:00] tecky_sbux (n=jkroll@nmd.sbx09529.queenny.wayport.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:01] fedel: :( [16:01] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.66.130) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] looks like my hd is fine then [16:02] hi missyjane long time no see :D [16:02] did 136 minutes pass so quickly ? [16:02] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-9.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] hi Pig_Pen :) indeed [16:03] Lord_Khelben, no lol im jjust thinking the likliness, i had firefox mess up, therefore when i logged out of kde it showed my entire screen full of gibberish characters, i thought my hd was dying then [16:04] missyjane: do you run kdm or something ? [16:04] yyup [16:04] that could be your video card [16:04] this screen was just before the kdm screen appeared ? [16:04] whenever you see unknown gibberish characters in your console type in reset and hit enter (even if you can not read reset being typed) [16:04] sleep time. [16:04] too drunk to play games [16:05] Pig_Pen, exactly, what i did was i rebooted instead [16:05] that will fix it too, but reset is quicker [16:05] bleh i was rebooting to play warhammer anyway lol [16:05] good night spook [16:06] my friends keep saying about warhammer. is it so good ? [16:06] yeah its really good [16:06] yes its lots of fun [16:06] esp if you knwo the lore [16:06] the computer version not so much [16:06] so i've put the the HD in another computer... [16:06] meh the computer version si fine [16:07] its nothing compared to tabletop [16:07] but i think I'm having a problem with eth0 interface [16:07] this is the new warhammer ? 10k or something like that ? [16:07] 10k lol, its 40k [16:07] 40k i remembered the k in the end :) [16:07] my cousin had a warhammer board game which was great [16:08] it had tons of figures and maps [16:08] the warhammer fantasy is the past, based on holy roman empire, 40k is the future [16:08] but it was the older scenario not the 40k [16:08] i have 3000 points of space marines [16:08] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:08] at really it's not my server. it is from the lab I work [16:08] I don't use Slackware [16:09] fedel: what makes you think the eth0 is faulty [16:09] I think it's something with the old MAC address [16:09] space marines ? this brings starcraft to my mind. i never liked this kind of futuristic/space games [16:10] fedel: old mac ? [16:10] lol [16:10] Lord_Khelben: I put the Hd's in other computer... [16:10] i loved warcraft series and hated starcraft series [16:11] fedel: that shouldn't give any problems [16:11] check pm Lord_Khelben, im gonna go get some rest, i really relaly need it [16:11] i have lung problems >< [16:11] the only thing that comes to my mind about the mac [16:11] have a nice rest missyjane [16:11] apparently I have 10 cents in a bank account I never knew I had [16:12] the only thing that comes to my mind about the mac is udev giving the new card the name eth1 [16:12] instead of eth0 [16:12] Lord_khelben: hum..when I run ifconfig, it returns only "lo" [16:12] ty Lord_Khelben [16:12] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [16:13] fedel: ifconfig -a [16:14] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [16:15] hm the screenshot missyjane gave me looks good [16:15] and if bioware helped in design it will be nice [16:15] Lord_khelben: good, ifconfig -a returns eth1 [16:15] Lord_khelben: what does it means? [16:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:15] fedel: man ifconfig [16:16] fedel: then it may be what i said earlier [16:16] where's eth0? :P [16:16] if you run dmesg you will see something like eth0 renamed to eth0_rename [16:16] eth1 renamed to eth0 [16:16] or something like that [16:16] udev stored the mac of the older card and now gives the name eth1 to the new one [16:17] in slackware the file yuo need to delete is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [16:17] but you said you don't use slack so i don't know what you must delete [16:17] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] usually it is similarly named [16:19] Lord_khelben: the server run Slackware ...i'm not a slack user...sorry...my english sometime is not good [16:20] ah tehn delete the file i mentioned [16:20] then rmmod the ethernet card module and modprobe it again [16:21] Lord_khelben: what module could it be?? can I restart? [16:21] yes you can restart too [16:21] if you have deleted the file ofcourse [16:21] Lord_khelben: I'll try [16:22] usually with udev things you do udevadm trigger [16:22] but i think it doesn't work in this case [16:22] you can try it though before you restart [16:22] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] artv61_ (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:24] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Lord_khelben: is the file 75-network..something? [16:26] hm what version of slack do you use ? [16:26] i think it was 75-network something in earlier udev versions [16:26] but i think it was long time ago [16:26] i can't remember [16:26] Lord_khelben: it can be an earlier verison [16:27] fedel: can you go to pastebin.ca and paste there the lines of it ? [16:27] i can tell you if it is the correct file to delete [16:27] ok..but if I delete this file...everything will be ok? [16:28] if this is the file i mean yes it will be regenerated [16:28] with the mac of the new card [16:28] if you only have 1 ethernet card it should have 1 line inside with the mac of it [16:29] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-173-130.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Lord_khelben: There is two lines. The first is for the eth0 and the second, eth1 [16:29] ah yes [16:29] then this is the file [16:30] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:191) joined ##slackware. [16:30] do you see the mac addresses there too ? [16:30] Megabyte (i=1000@201.78.250.36) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Megabyte (i=1000@201.78.250.36) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:33] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:287) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:33] Lord_khelben: yes [16:33] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [16:34] fedel: ok then delete this file or move it to /root or something [16:34] and then restart [16:34] and the card should again be given the name eth0 [16:34] this facility exists so that udev remembers the cards if you have two cards with the same module and thus give them the same names always [16:38] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:39] udev is kinda narsty, but i had to make a special rule so i could connect my lego nxt [16:39] nxt is sweet! [16:40] Necos, u have linux software to control it ? [16:41] i write NXT code and upload it to the brick [16:42] nothing to control it tho :( [16:43] Lord_khelben: it works [16:43] fedel: nice :) [16:43] Lord_khelben: thanks... [16:43] if you fix the server motherboard and put the disk back there [16:43] you will need to delete this file again [16:43] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [16:44] Lord_khelben: humm...I want to see if my IP is from DHCP or manual. How can I do it in Slack? [16:44] cd /etc/rc.d/ [16:44] less rc.inet1.conf [16:45] if it is manual it will mention the ip [16:45] default is dhcp [16:45] or it will say dhcp [16:45] so safe assumption is dhcp [16:45] Lord_khelben: I imagine it was the file... [16:45] look at variables IPADDR[0] and USE_DHCP[0] [16:46] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:46] etc is a critical folder hi hi [16:46] :p [16:47] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:48] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.132.85) joined ##slackware. [16:49] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Client Quit [16:51] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [16:51] Lord_khelben: = "" [16:51] >.> [16:52] i didn't understand [16:52] what does Lord_Khelben = "" mean [16:53] Lord_khelben: IPADDR[0]="XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX "NETMASK[0]="255.255.255.0" USE_DHCP[0]="" DHCP_HOSTNAME[0]="" [16:53] ah ok [16:53] then since you have an ip set in IPADDR [16:53] Lord_khelben: X's are numbers [16:53] and use_Dhcp is empty [16:53] then you set up the ip manually [16:53] "static" ip [16:54] Lord_khelben: ok...but now I want dhcp Ip [16:54] illuz1oN` (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:55] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6030.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [16:55] then set use_dhcp[0] to yes and it will become dhcp [16:55] bootstrap (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [16:55] there are some instructions in the beginning of the file [16:55] you can delete the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx from ipaddr[0] but its not necessary [16:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:57] instead of rebooting you can run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 eth0_restart [16:57] and it should call dhcpcd and get ip correctly [16:58] Guilherme_ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [16:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@114-45-233-64.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-9.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] Lord_khelben: it works....Thank you!!! [17:04] ofcourse it works :) [17:04] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "fui pro ingreis :D" [17:04] if you read the topic there is the slackbook [17:04] which covers all these stuff [17:05] and it isn't big so you can read it in no time [17:05] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [17:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:09] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [17:10] greets greets [17:10] welcome The-Croupier [17:10] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Client Quit [17:10] hey Lord_Khelben hows it going? [17:10] Nick change: egrub -> |ast| [17:11] if you don't count the heat [17:11] all nice [17:11] yeah man,,, its unbearable [17:12] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-178-224.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:12] i stayed at work for an extra 2 hours today cos the heat was awful [17:12] even when i left around 7pm, still it was 35C [17:12] under a tree that is :p [17:12] hidden in the deep shadows of the huge flats of athens [17:13] i need to buy a house in norway [17:13] or anywhere that is cold [17:13] http://imagebin.org/56165 the heat is terrible, look what it did to my desktop [17:13] Lord_Khelben: and there is internet [17:14] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Lord_Khelben: do you know if wow plays alright in slackware? [17:15] wow=world of warcraft ? [17:16] yeah [17:16] cadmium (n=mike@58.65.159.166) joined ##slackware. [17:17] you have to use transgaming's wine for that i'm guessing [17:17] i installed it plain wine i think a year ago [17:17] my friends bugged me and i installed it to see it [17:17] i played for 1-1.5 hour and got bored :P [17:18] Edit "/etc/rc.M" and comment out the fc-cache and ldconfig lines. One only needs to be run after installing a new font, the other after installing a new library; neither needs to be run every single boot. [17:18] i didn't notice any sign that it was in wine and not in windows [17:18] They add a huge amount of time to the bootup process too. [17:18] is this true [17:18] i remember i did something from the appdb.winehq for the sound though [17:18] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:19] Lord_Khelben: thats because wine and windows are the same... they are emulators :p [17:19] The-Croupier: yes its true [17:20] but its there just to be safe [17:20] if you install a new font and forget to run it or something :) [17:20] Lord_Khelben: i see [17:20] huge amount of time=1-3secs [17:20] The-Croupier: doesn't hurt... [17:21] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] i hardly install any new fonts, unless some pkg would intall any..but then again, i would know about it [17:21] i rather have my fonts found at boot than have to re-run it manually [17:21] Lord_Khelben: have you added greek in your keyboard? [17:21] Necos: i definately agree. [17:21] ofcourse. ĵĂÄ µ»»·½¹º¬ ĵĂÄ [17:21] im not that im in a hurry to boot ;) [17:21] Lord_Khelben: how on earth? [17:22] you use slack 12.2 ? [17:22] Lord_Khelben: current [17:22] do you have a xorg.conf with keyboard entry on it ? [17:22] or you rely only on hal [17:23] if you have keybaord in xorg.conf you need Option XkbLayout us,gr [17:23] have not edited xorg.conf apart from when needed nvidia... so i believe hal related [17:23] i also use Option XkbVariant basic,extended [17:23] so that i have the usual basic english and the extended greek [17:23] Lord_Khelben: i see.. so let me check [17:24] i used to have polytonic but i don't type polytonic anymore [17:24] polytonic? [17:24] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:25] fallertsen (n=lupin@host11-42-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [17:25] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:25] psilh,perispomeni,etc (grave and stuff) [17:25] raw___ (n=ilove@p54873952.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Lord_Khelben: i see... there is a input device with xkblayout de commented...maybe i shall uncomment and put el instead of de [17:26] you need us,gr [17:26] so that you can also type us [17:26] there was a command to check what a system supports..dont remember the name though [17:26] yep [17:26] it was el some time ago but now it is gr (actually el still works its an alias to gr) [17:26] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [17:26] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:27] after you edit the xorg.conf if you don't want to restard x you can do setxkbmap -layout us,gr [17:27] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-11-114.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-0-126.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] cadmium (n=mike@58.65.159.166) left irc: "Connection reset by beer" [17:29] paissad_ (n=paissad@53.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] raw (n=ilove@p5487509A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:29] for the hal method you copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and then modify it and change us to us,gr [17:29] that seems all done..but how do i switch to them? [17:29] if you use kde its ctrl+k [17:30] xfce.. and i think there was a language goodie [17:30] you can do setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle [17:30] im not really sure [17:30] yes there is xfce4-xkb-plugin i think its called [17:30] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:31] good evening [17:31] hello GATT0 [17:33] heya [17:34] Lord_Khelben: thanks man... in terminal i get ???? though ill find this after the reboot.. thanks again [17:34] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [17:35] IronManBR (n=IronMAN@unaffiliated/ironmanbr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:36] Megabyte (i=1000@201.78.166.189) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Can anyone please help me to configure my tablet with slamd64 [17:39] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@LAubervilliers-151-12-1-154.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving." [17:40] Megabyte (i=1000@201.78.166.189) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:42] well now! [17:42] nmap 5.00! [17:42] "The most important nmap update since 1997" [17:42] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:191) left irc: No route to host [17:45] what it does ipv8 now? [17:45] Hi, I have a question [17:46] If I have an SCSI device showing using lsscsi, but it is not in /dev, how do I put it there / mount it? [17:46] modern kernels use udev to manage /dev [17:46] is it partitioned? [17:46] yeah, i hope theres a special place in hell for whoever came up with udev [17:47] udev is nice [17:47] i'll take mknod anyday [17:47] bah, get with the times. [17:47] yeah, udev is decent, it is dbus and hal that should be taken out back and shot [17:47] well, I'll describe my problem - I booted from an old CD, and I want to access a USB pen drive.. but I can't mount it [17:47] any ideas? [17:48] you prolly have an old kernel that can't automount usb devices [17:48] booted what from an old CD? [17:48] fedel (n=amaral@gia03.rc.unesp.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:48] lssci shows it. does fdisk -l show it ? [17:49] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:49] its slack 12.2 CD [17:49] oh, that should be new enough [17:49] fdisk -l doesn't show it [17:50] there's no /dev/sdb1 or whatever I usually use to mount it [17:50] thats just an install CD, will it mount a usb stick? [17:50] well, when it comes to creating a USB boot stick, it suddenly lights up [17:50] i guess it will [17:50] I'm guessing a driver is loaded at that point [17:50] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:50] i have a slack install cd on my usb stick so it should [17:50] dont think about installing slackware to a usb stick, it wont work, well it will install but it wont boot up after the install is done [17:51] I'm not trying to install to a USB stick but thankyou for the advice [17:51] Lord_Khelben, can you boot with that usb stick? [17:51] Skywise: ofcourse [17:51] i now don't have 12.2 on it though [17:51] i have made it 32bit/64bit -current [17:51] Lord_Khelben, ok i'm trying to figure out how to do that, can you point me to a readme on it? [17:51] everything i've found still only boots [17:51] so i can install which the box supports [17:52] and uses other media for install [17:52] Lord_Khelben -- that would also help me, do you have a link to guide me? [17:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:52] brixton-: since you have a cd its easier to install using that [17:53] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:54] the cd should find the usb stick fine. its weird that it doesn't [17:54] since lsscsi shows it i guess the usb-storage module is loaded [17:54] even if the flash disk was unformatted fdisk -l should show it [17:55] if its off the bootcd is udev even running? [17:56] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] i can't exec 'udev' if that's what you are asking? [17:56] can you see if its running? [17:56] Lord_Khelben the dvd is 12.2 not -current, which I want [17:57] Skywise ps doesn't show it running [17:57] ok, then its not gonna update /dev dynamically [17:57] udev is a implementation a facility not a program [17:57] i be mknod runs tho [17:58] brixton-: you can run dmesg|more and see if there is any error message [17:59] ah, now i see, you have current on the usb stick, and you want to use the 12.2 install CD to install it, i guess that would work if the install CD has the modules to mount the usb stick [17:59] i see /sbin/udevd running on my machine [17:59] yes udevd should be running [17:59] that normal [18:00] what'd i say before [18:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.226) left irc: [18:00] Skywise: i didn't follow a wiki article or something. i made a small fat16 partition to hold the kernels and to which the syslinux would go [18:00] sixxxx (n=sixxxx@212.183.134.210) left irc: "Leaving" [18:00] and the rest of the usb a ext2 partition which i put the 2 trees 32/64bit [18:00] oh ok, you didn't do it from slack [18:01] i was wondering if you wrong a dvd image to a stick [18:01] i copied isolinux.cfg from slack's install cd rename it to syslinux.cfg and modify it to have both 32bit and 64bit kernel [18:02] brixton-: there is a bootable image for usb stick in teh slack tree already [18:02] but it is only for boot. it doesn't include the slack packages [18:02] so you either need to do ftp/http install or partition install or have a slack dvd [18:02] and if you have a dvd might as boot from it [18:03] dvd won't boot, for the life of me i can't get a working -current bootable dvd [18:03] 12.2 was a breeze to do.. this is giving me a headache [18:03] no boot device or it fails? [18:03] it just doesn't see it as bootable I guess, and moves on [18:04] i burnt it following the guide in /isolinux/README.TXT [18:04] weird. it should boot fine then [18:04] :-( [18:04] I don't mind doing it from a usb stick if I had the know-how [18:05] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] if there is something wrong with your bios that prevents the kernel to boot from the cd [18:05] why would the usb work ? [18:05] yeah, i'm kinda confused why there isn't a mainstream way to do a bootable usb install [18:06] <_budo> do you have to download the complete dvd for slack? [18:06] _budo: it is recommended but no you don't [18:06] glen2 (n=glen@78-86-231-25.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] <_budo> what happened to 400 - 700 mb? [18:06] 1st cd is slack without x, 2st cd is x [18:10] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [18:11] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:13] wb fire|bird [18:13] <_budo> 12.2 is the latest? [18:13] Lord_Khelben: Thank you. [18:13] _budo: latest stable release, yes. [18:13] _budo: yes but 13.0 will be out in short time [18:13] <_budo> k. ty. [18:14] 16.55 for my boottime now, hmm, that got a tad slower. :P [18:17] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl19-221.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [18:21] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:22] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[18:28] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:28] loglevel=3 and vga=normal is what made a drastic improvement. [18:28] hmm [18:29] I could use that and then modprobe radeonfb in rc.modules perhaps [18:29] eviljames2: Listening to Hail the Villian atm again. Their music never gets old, I could listen to just that 24/7. :P [18:29] s/Villian/Villain/ [18:29] I know, I'm so hooked on it! [18:29] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-64-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] dive: yeah, that's about it. I'm sure I'll have many more kernel recompiles in the upcoming days, weeks, I'm sure much more can be trimmed. [18:30] vga=normal on this lappy makes a small square of text in the middle of screen but I think there is bios option to expand it [18:30] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:31] set it vga=ask and try the options otherwise you can try framebuffer [18:31] or boot to x [18:31] dive: Hmm, it didn't here, but of course each system's different. [18:31] fire|bird, I will have another look in my kernel - I have got rid of a lot of things but there are a lot of networking modules - iptables and such [18:31] It did wonders for me. [18:32] dive: yeah, that's some of what I took out this last recompile. [18:32] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] the boot itself seems ALOT faster. [18:32] eviljames2: Evil Has a Name is for sure my favorite. :) [18:33] although with that album, it's hard to pick a favorite. [18:33] Really? Even more than Try Hating the World [18:34] eviljames2: Eh, now that's a toss up, that's a great song as well. [18:34] like I said, it's hard to choose. :P [18:35] WHOA, my kernel (alone) time is 0.93 now, from 15.34, that almost seems too drastic a difference. [18:35] fire|bird, what were those params for timing the kernel again? [18:35] dive: these two in append in lilo.conf: initcall_debug=1 printk.time=1 [18:36] thanks [18:36] brb [18:36] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [18:36] ok [18:39] anyone know if the new star trek movie is out on dvd yet? [18:39] stealth-: I don't believe it is yet. [18:39] that sucks. Thanks anyways [18:40] lol [18:40] heya Necos [18:40] Too bad, because it was good. [18:40] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-23-56-244.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:00] wb dive [19:01] hmm [19:01] is there a debug kernel option that you need for those time commands to work? [19:01] thanks for wb [19:01] no there isn't, that I know of. [19:02] fire|bird: You're using Bootchart, correct? [19:02] it doesn't seem to display anything except when I power down it shows [xxx,xxx] Int A or whatever [19:02] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bootchart [19:02] That will give you a pretty good visual representation on your boot process - really neat stuff. [19:03] dive: after you rebooted, you need to run dmesg | perl scripts/bootgraph.pl > output.svg from /usr/src/your_kernel_here. [19:03] eviljames2: yeah, I'm using bootchart and bootgraph. [19:03] Anyhow, gonna bounce from the office early. Catch up with folks when I get home. [19:03] ah right [19:03] eviljames2: later. :) [19:03] eviljames2 (n=james@207.81.152.66) left irc: "Leaving." [19:03] I thought it would just print in the bootup messages [19:03] so it's in dmesg? [19:04] those xxx,xxx things you seen is the result of those two things you added to lilo.conf. Those are the times, and then you use that dmesg command which looks at those times and figures the time your kernel takes and outputs it to output.svg. [19:06] right I shall have a look [19:06] it does seem faster but I've had to compile radeonfb as m because it seems to get loaded auto even with vga=normal [19:07] anyway gonna reboot again [19:07] brb [19:07] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [19:07] k :) [19:12] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-0-126.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-23.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:77) joined ##slackware. [19:18] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:20] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.132.85) left irc: "Leaving." 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[20:17] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:19] yo AnonymousRednek [20:21] time to go to bed, night everyone :) [20:22] almost time to go to work - have a good sleep Camarade_Tux: [20:22] see you tomorrow ;) [20:23] Camarade_Tux, stop making netsplits [20:23] Camarade_Tux did it? [20:25] Camarade_Tux, how goes it? [20:29] kfccfk (n=user@122-124-136-33.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] gtl (n=gustavo@189.4.125.77) joined ##slackware. [20:31] yarvin (n=yarvin@h10.214.91.75.static.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] gah, having a hard time remembering a command. when you run it it would be "command path/to/file" and it would display the file and all the directory's until your CWD and show their rights to the dir's. [20:34] gtl (n=gustavo@189.4.125.77) left irc: Client Quit [20:34] Anyone know what i am talking about? [20:34] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-173-130.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-206.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] ls ? [20:35] no, wasn't ls. [20:35] tree ? [20:35] maybe that was it. [20:36] hba (n=hba@189.188.143.143) left irc: "leaving" [20:36] nope, not that. [20:36] anyways, pretty happy...getting into a 387 pete tomorrow [20:36] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [20:37] sounds like fun [20:37] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] q0_0p (n=pan@cpe-68-206-109-50.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] RipVanWinkle, it's good to be going back to work [20:38] no idead [20:39] s/idead/idea [20:40] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-229-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [20:40] i did it for a couple of years, i got tired of it then started looking for a job driving locally, got a job driving a cement mixer truck and did that for about 5 years, and when that got old i got in to construction, now i do finish/trim carpentry [20:40] kfccfk (n=user@122-124-136-33.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Success [20:41] RipVanWinkle, this is local regional... [20:42] RipVanWinkle, 6 days out, 2 days home [20:42] thats not too bad, weekends home is tolerable [20:45] fawcao (n=fawcao@201.38.18.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:46] what do i have to edit to prefix /usr/local for all packages I install? ive done it before but its been so long i forget now :/ [20:47] stock slackware packages? or building your own? [20:47] my own, and slackbuilds [20:47] ./configure --prefix=/usr/local [20:47] i mean for installpkg [20:48] just make sure the --prefix=/usr/local is set in the slackbuild and it will go in to /usr/local even installpkg will put it there if it was built to go there [20:49] i believe its just some config file that I could do it once in, and then from then on i wouldnt have to worry about it [20:49] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [20:50] if a package was built to go in to /usr you cant install it to /usr/local because when you run it the app will be looking for libraries and such in /usr/lib, built it prefixed to /usr/local if that is where you want it [20:51] /usr/local is set as a path and in ldconfig so there is nothing special you have to do [20:51] echo $PATH [20:54] fawcao (n=fawcao@201.38.18.147) joined ##slackware. [20:54] uh.. [20:54] stitchman: what package are you talking about? [20:56] no specific package [20:57] volkerdi (i=3321@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] im just trying to replicate something i did a long time ago, trying to research it now, maybe it was some sorta thing i set up once with configure [20:58] StarWarsGuy (n=neo@d47-69-182-118.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [20:58] just look at the .SlackBuild file and change the path from --prefix=/usr to --prefix=/usr/local and that is where is will go, you might want to check for --mandir=/usr/man and change it to --mandir=/usr/local/man (same for library paths & includes) but the localstate dir you might want to keep as /var [20:58] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-16.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:59] and --sysconfdir=/etc it would be a good idea to keep that pointed at /etc [20:59] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-25.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Action: AnonymousRednek bows before volkerdi [21:00] RipVanWinkle: yes thank you for your help, but i already know how to do it for packages one at a time. I meant a one set and forget (literally) way to set up a /usr/local prefix [21:00] Action: XGizzmo_ passes the frop [21:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:00] hmm, we just had 3/4" hail [21:00] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC024E0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] there is a sbopkg thing but i never used it, you might want to check the docs on that and i think they have a freenode channel [21:01] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-68-48.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] edman007: got a hardhat? [21:02] no [21:02] i ran out there and got some hail though and took pics, i found out my camera sucks more than i thought [21:02] that hail is big enough to break a windshield if you are driving in it [21:02] yea...it was really loud...and i hope my car is ok [21:03] StarWarsGuy (n=neo@d47-69-182-118.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] parked in the driveway it could get cosmetic damage [21:03] hello volkerdi [21:03] chess: good evening [21:03] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) joined ##slackware. [21:04] hi mister V. [21:04] hi, when I connect through ssh I see a text. How can I change that text? [21:04] volkerdi, hi [21:04] evening volkerdi [21:04] volkerdi: OMG!!111 Will you have my babies? [21:04] good to see bob is up and running again [21:04] Ooh, wait. Wrong channel. [21:04] fire|bird|phoenix|storm|super|mega|pure|awesome is missing out on saying hi to volkerdi... doh [21:05] ;-) [21:05] rworkman: haha [21:05] rworkman: AGAIN? [21:05] took me a long time to write your user name fire|bird :P [21:05] ha [21:05] agentc0re: haha, FAIL. [21:05] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] agentc0re: yeah, you can't tab complete that. :P [21:05] yes definate fail [21:05] Action: CcSsNET goes back to being afk [21:05] .. i need to find a way to have pidgin script that automatically for me. [21:05] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:06] rworkman: those X updates are public now, thanks :) [21:06] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:06] agentc0re: there you go, go get working on that. [21:06] Cool :) [21:06] Bob? Is it bob still, or is it connie? [21:06] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:07] rob0: the updates? They went out to ftp.slackware.com and ftp.osuosl.org, and from there to the FTP/rsync mirrors soon [21:07] Oh no, I just thought you had had hardware problems, maybe replaced the box. [21:08] Yeah, we had some problems and lost a partition... slackware.com still points to bob, which partially redirects to connie depending on what you're accessing. Maybe more will migrate to connie, but things are working well enough for now. [21:10] how long has bob been in operation? [21:10] 10 years [21:10] wow, nice [21:11] chess: Since the beginning of course. :) [21:11] It took long enough for a crappy retail Maxtor to flake out. I remember putting it in there and thinking it might hold us for a year or so. [21:11] XGizzmo_: yes, of course :-) [21:12] I finally replaced a 1998 dell P3 server. that was a good machine. [21:13] Heh... connie is a 2002 P3 server with a whopping 256MB of RAM. [21:14] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [21:15] If I want to use part of 12.2-current, what do I need to install to use its pkgtools? [21:15] dchmelik: uhm .. [21:15] just the pkgtools or more? [21:16] But running slackware that is like having a p4 with 512 meg of ram. [21:16] oh wait .. I forgot. [21:16] Action: BP{k} walks away from that conversation. [21:16] dchmelik: I think that would be xz, tar, and pkgtools. [21:16] heya BP{k}, how's it going? [21:16] thanks, Patrick.... [21:17] fire|bird: not bad :) Beer has been stocked up. Duvel, Hoegaarden and Leffe brown \o/. [21:17] BP{k}: You are wise beyond your years. [21:18] I would be using wholly current, but it seems either WINE or Fred's 32-bit compatibility libraries have a problem.... [21:18] that p3 I just replaced had been running slackware 8.1. it was a nice combination. :-) [21:19] dchmelik: grabbing bits and pieces of -current won't work either [21:19] well I had 12.2-current installed until yesterday [21:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-25.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Success [21:20] maybe firefox-current would also have some dependencies in current [21:20] I had a p3 733 running from slackware 9.0 to slackware 12.0. It ran very well. [21:20] dchmelik: much like using root only and mouting users $HOME under /root ... it's both a really bad idea. [21:21] When I asked a friend about that and if he uses sudo he said 'How is it going it make it any safer on my own system that no one else has access to?' [21:21] dchmelik: The Firefox 3.5.1 in 32-bit -current is the official binary release from mozilla.org, and should work back to at least Slackware 11.0. [21:21] It protects you from yourself. [21:22] I should have mentioned I am using a 64-bit system.... [21:22] but it seems that would have to work too... I will try it. [21:23] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@200.49.162.31) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:25] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-3-131.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] i like the prompt for the slackware installer...how it tells you about the package that its installing while its doing it [21:26] hehe [21:26] it could tell more in the installer menu, but of course you can open another console and cat the *txt.... [21:26] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] the Linux kernel tells more about each in a help dialog, and I believe it uses the same program as Slackware installer ('Dialog.') [21:28] yeah its funny though i've been trying to install slack on my old desktop for a week now and it turns out the reason i couldn't get the cd's to boot was because i used windows to burn the iso's not iso recorder [21:29] Action: thrice` doesn't think windows is at fault :D [21:29] Action: phillipsm agree's [21:29] but hey you gotta learn sometime :) [21:29] thrice`, you have made a relativistic statement [21:30] i have burned Linux isos with nero on win98 many years ago, you just have to tell it to burn a disk image [21:31] well it was the windows explorer "send to E:(dvd drive)" option that got me [21:31] otherwise you just get a CDr with an iso file on it [21:31] yeah thats what happened to me [21:31] yep, you probably just got a data CD [21:32] Removing package /var/log/packages/sendmail-8.14.3-x86_64-2... [21:32] Removing files: [21:32] msg /sbin/removepkg: line 145: find: command not found [21:33] now my 3rd cd is messed up so i gotta reburn it...but i almost got it installed all the way!! [21:34] do you need the 3rd install cd if you arent installing xwindows? [21:34] md5sdum the iso on disk 3, make sure it matches, sometimes a download corrupts [21:34] phillipsm: nope [21:34] you can probably get away without the 2nd, too [21:34] i used only the first CD for a console system [21:35] yes it matches [21:35] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:35] i suppose you are supposed to know urself if you need the 3rd cd...and if you didn't select the xwindows system it will just read the cd and see there are no packages on it to be installed and go to the same screen huh [21:36] x-windows is on cd2, actually; kde is on 3 [21:37] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5/20090624025744]" [21:38] uh oh...i'm getting the following message [21:38] chroot: cannot execute /usr/bin/passwd: No such file or directory [21:39] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC024E0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:39] It sounds like something (likely series 'a') did not install correctly. IIRC, you might be able to ftp-install or get its package from ftp. [21:39] 'There is no GNU/Linux but Slackware and Patrick is its Prophet.' [21:43] Instlal DVD FTW [21:43] but then again, older systems have a problem booting off the dvd [21:43] this old laptop only has a CD drive, a DVD would be an alien from another planet [21:44] there's always the net install option [21:44] PXE install FTW++. [21:45] it boots from a CDr, i have slack 12.2 running nicely on it [21:47] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-3-131.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-163.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] volkerdi (i=3321@connie.slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:53] fire|bird test [21:54] agentc0re: 1...2...3... :) [21:54] upyr[ema` (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:54] fire|bird :D [21:54] gah, still not working. [21:55] agentc0re: you're name completion script? :P [21:55] where does slackware put its kernel image? i want grub to point at it as i have another drive with debian on it and i don't want to redo everything...i just need to know what the "kernel" line in menu.lst is supposed to be [21:56] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [21:56] /boot/vmlinuz? [21:56] fire|bird: gah, it kind of worked but then as I typed it kept repeating your mega awesome name. [21:56] :P [21:56] haha [21:57] my install must be messed up then cuz i cant find it [21:57] err...i mean grub cant find it [21:57] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:57] add it manually [21:58] hi all [21:58] add what manually? [21:58] heya gtl [21:58] yarvin (n=yarvin@h10.214.91.75.static.ip.windstream.net) left ##slackware. [21:58] the lines to menu.lst [21:58] edit menu.lst to say kernel /boot/vmlinuz? i'm trying to do it manually by the grub command prompt [21:58] fire|bird, how's it going? [21:59] Uncovering our earliest ancestors: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=250B09C7E4666279 [21:59] gtl: going excellent, thanks. you? [21:59] doing great [21:59] thanks [21:59] i say root (hd1,0) and it recognizes the filesystm (ext3) and then i say kernel /boot/vmlinuz and i get a file not found error [21:59] did you manage to improve your boot time? [21:59] gtl: yeah, got it down to 16.55 :D [22:00] nice! gratz! [22:00] 2.6.29 kernel? [22:00] 2.6.30.1 [22:01] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] gabriel: ^^ [22:01] phillipsm, ? [22:01] :P [22:01] i say root (hd1,0) and it recognizes the filesystm (ext3) and then i say kernel /boot/vmlinuz and i get a file not found error [22:01] gabriel: ^^ [22:01] lol [22:02] lol [22:02] are you on 64-bit? [22:02] sweet! heard the .30 has built in a compression algorhytm (how' this spelled?) that increases significantly boot time [22:02] /boot/vmlinuz is a symbolic link, maybe the pointed image not exists [22:02] thrice: me? [22:02] gabriel: oic...so how the hell do i find the real image? [22:02] gtl: algorithm. [22:02] fire|bird, thanks! [22:03] i'm experiencing some performance issues myself [22:04] prob gonna have to (re)compile kernel again [22:04] in /boot/vmlinuz-[huge|generic]-$version [22:05] Nick change: vantech -> artv61 [22:05] phillipsm: "ls -l /boot" and see what vmlinuz links to [22:05] but, since I've too work, won't do it tonight [22:05] gabriel: ok so the $version is the one that slack 12.2 has in it [22:06] alisonken1church: i'm trying to mount the drive from debian so i can see that [22:06] 12.2 has 2.6.27.7 [22:06] gabriel: ok thanks [22:06] ok I mounted my other drive with debian booted up and there is no / directory [22:07] i have dev etc lost+found proc sys usr var [22:07] so is something messed up in my install? [22:07] :o [22:07] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:07] lol i know [22:07] bigtime [22:07] boot/ ! [22:07] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] alrighty i will wipe it out and start again [22:07] all my iso's md5 ok so i'm not sure why the stuff didn't install ok [22:08] bin boot dev etc home lib (you know the drill) [22:08] yep [22:08] how much disk space have you given to slackware? [22:09] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-163.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:09] i have 2 20 gig drives in the pc...one has deb the other has slackware..i gave the / partition 19gb and 1gig for swap [22:09] ok, then disk space is not the problem, that is plenty [22:10] yeah...i did the package install without any info so i'll try it selecting the packages manually [22:11] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:11] so you have just one partition for slack on disk number 2 ? (hd1.0) ? [22:12] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-68-48.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] no i have hdb1 for / and hdb2 for swap [22:13] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] (primary master drive is hda with debian on it and primary slave is hdb with slack) [22:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.42) joined ##slackware. [22:16] _TeraByteS_ (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:16] _TeraByteS_ (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [22:17] _TeraByteS_ (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left irc: "Leaving" [22:17] any noticeable difference on kernel 2.6.29-5 to 2.6.29-6? [22:17] probably just a bug fix release, check the changelog [22:17] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-35-156.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:17] kk, thans [22:18] kernel.org 's changelog that is [22:19] i have a belly full of pinto beans and spanish rice and tortillas :D [22:19] guys.. what's the mosts effective way for a user to send a message to root if there is no mail server configured on the server? [22:20] add it to /etc/motd maybe, they will get it when they log on [22:20] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:20] does xf86-video-nv-2.1.14-x86_64-1 replace nvidia-installer? [22:21] you have nvidia's driver installed? [22:21] yes [22:22] RipVanWinkle, only root can edit this file, right? I mean if a user want to send a message to root [22:22] yes, i think only root can edit that file, my bad for suggesting that [22:22] ;) [22:22] any other idea? [22:22] postit note? [22:23] haha [22:23] wall would send the message to everyone that is logged on currently [22:23] lol [22:23] powtrix: if you are using nvidia's driver dont install that nv driver, and if you just have to install it --uninstall that nvidia driver [22:24] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.79.42) left irc: "dormir" [22:24] phillipsm, root could or could not be logged :-/ [22:24] very true [22:24] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@Wikimedia/Neo-The-User) joined ##slackware. [22:25] is it a generic nvidia driver or nvidiadrv could be replace by that? [22:25] could you scp them a text file? [22:26] that is xorg's generic driver, it works good but that nvidia driver has better graphic acceleration, so its your call, pick one or the other [22:26] akSeya: could you scp them a text file? [22:26] ok [22:27] phillipsm, yeap.. but only with a simple user permission [22:27] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [22:29] akSeya: what is your purpose for sending a message is it just a way to send email without a server? [22:31] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [22:31] i can see slackware 13 listed in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors. is 13 right around the corner? [22:32] it appeared in the latest current [22:32] it has had an RC + some updates [22:33] Action: powtrix rsync'ing -current [22:33] :o! [22:34] i do every day, as well as 12.2 =D [22:35] today i got a surprise, amarok leeched 7gb of system ram [22:35] i will uninstall this player forever [22:35] Action: reallove didn't like amarok [22:36] xmms ftw ! [22:36] note: the amarok wasn't playing anything [22:36] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Success [22:36] phillipsm, well.. to tell the truth.. someone asked a way to get root password by force.. i want to give this guy a way to inform root that he wants the root password.. after all the easiest way to get root password is asking for it :D [22:36] audacious is also nice [22:36] powtrix, you have 7gb of ram do leech? [22:36] xmms for audio, mplayer for video [22:36] =x [22:37] 8gb [22:37] Action: reallove was using xine for videos [22:37] mp3blaster for a console audio player [22:37] powtrix, =/ i have to be happy with my 2gb =P [22:37] dont you prefer audiacous over xmms, guys? [22:37] yes, 2gb is good [22:37] audacious is THE audio player [22:37] :P [22:38] donno,didn't like audacious either [22:38] Usually my current player is youtube [22:38] amarok 1.x was good, but 2.x .... [22:39] No love for workbone. [22:40] phillipsm (n=IceChat7@173-23-56-244.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies." [22:40] powtrix, i tryed amarok 2.x the whole afternoon today and didnt noticed system lags [22:41] i let it openned 1 day without use, the night I see my os slow.. when I filtered by M (top) I got it [22:41] at the night* [22:41] at night // [22:42] weird [22:42] amarok = DoS [22:42] it could be personal, did you afflicted any harm to wolfs lately? =P [22:42] I got problem with amarok once.. when I tried to load about 13k musics on the playlist [22:42] amarok is too much for an audio/video app, i prefer apps that are simpler less busy [22:43] xmms does not seem to be in development. audacious is, but is uses alot more cpu. xmms still works, and then why change? [22:43] Action: guax is being watching too much CSI [22:44] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:44] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [22:44] josteint, xmms is now xmms2, a server/client-based audio player [22:46] i agree with josteint, xmms is older and mature, as long as i can use it i will, i dont want something bleeing edge & full of bugs, i just want someting lightweight and functional [22:46] WMP [22:46] RipVanWinkle, for i in `ls /mp3`; do play ${i}; done;? [22:47] as light as i can think right now =P [22:47] rudi_ (n=quassel@c-98-229-33-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] play has some problems with variable-rate mp3 [22:47] thats a little too lightweight, i like a app with a playlist i can choose from, xmms when in X and mp3blaster when in a console [22:48] gabriel, mpeg321 do the job then [22:48] update os [22:48] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-31-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [22:48] gabriel: xmms != xmms2 [22:48] rudi_ (n=quassel@c-98-229-33-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:48] winamp [22:48] RipVanWinkle, think like the same, but i still love amarok 1 [22:48] BP{k}, whell...only the name... [22:48] supergear, HERESY! [22:49] i'm looking for a good way to let multiple people listen to a bunch of music that is on my server [22:49] i would liek for everyone to be able to listen to whatever song they want independetly. perhaps be able to make playlists and what not [22:49] nfs shared directory? [22:49] nfs ? [22:50] Dragon player [22:50] server is linux, but the client needs to be cross platform [22:50] smb [22:51] samba [22:51] pendrives =D [22:51] sounds like a consensus [22:51] or,use gnump3d [22:51] so i guess i just share out the directory with samba and then let people use whatever they want as a music client [22:52] i saw this MPD thing but i wasn't sure if it's any good [22:52] a jukebox ? :P [22:52] the shared read only dir seems to me the simplier and better option [22:52] gabriel, i would sugest short range fm broadcast =P [22:53] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@72.44.171.82) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:01] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-106-5.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:05] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:05] laters, sleepytime [23:05] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:13] rudi_ (n=quassel@c-98-229-33-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] rudi_ (n=quassel@c-98-229-33-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:15] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [23:17] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.18.84) joined ##slackware. [23:18] wtf ubuntu christian ed., ubuntu muslim ed., what else?! [23:19] ubuntu jihad [23:19] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:19] haha [23:20] http://ubuntusatanic.org/index.php <------------hmmmm [23:20] dammit webhost gone down again [23:21] hi guys [23:21] hi gtl [23:21] ok - off to work [23:21] lol [23:22] antler: i develop for ubuntu buddha [23:22] antler, wtf [23:22] well.. rarly [23:22] is it april first? [23:23] The Moon is Waning Crescent (32% of Full) [23:23] Weird. [23:23] Neo_The_User: that's crazy stuff [23:23] if they did a ubuntu quake 1 edition I might look at it though [23:23] i really want a Ubuntu DUB Edition [23:23] rworkman, yeah you can't blame it on pom [23:23] it's a thriller....thriller night (8) [23:23] like midnight club 3 [23:23] Next SubGenius holiday: July 17 The Feast of St Caligula [23:23] ah [23:24] feast of St Caligula [23:24] that explains it all [23:24] It's my 5th wedding anniversary. Feast, my ass. ;-) [23:24] lol [23:24] hahaha [23:25] by default firefox is in english, how to set a native lang ? [23:27] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.66.130) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:27] rworkman, the xf86-video-ati-6.12.2-i486-2.txz you submitted on changelog has anything to do with fglrx? [23:28] or radeon, for that matter? [23:28] ftno; yes. [23:28] er [23:28] no re fglrx; yes re radeon [23:28] hmm, thanks =) [23:29] MUCH testing of the new X stuff is desired. [23:29] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-126-214-154.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] I would assume xf86-video-ati has the "ati" driver. [23:29] count me in =) [23:29] We *hope* that it is an improvement over what we had. [23:30] is there any specific test routine? [23:31] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-35-156.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [23:31] Yes. startx. [23:32] emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-84-222.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] ok, that's easy enough=) [23:32] emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-51-204.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:33] :) [23:33] dang... [23:34] slackpkg is bugginh [23:35] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:36] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) joined ##slackware. [23:36] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] greetings and salutations [23:37] greetings andarius, how are you? [23:37] wotcha andarius :) [23:37] salutations fire|bird. I am well, you ? [23:37] wotcha BP{k} :) [23:38] andarius: doing excellent, thank you. [23:38] nice! slackpkg mirrors list already lists Slackware 13 ;) [23:41] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:42] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [23:43] snowdonkeh (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] bootstrap (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [23:44] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [23:45] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:45] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:47] snowdonkeh (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:50] any of you guys have problems with slackpkg? [23:50] none here [23:50] andarius, what version? [23:51] umm. stand by and I will check [23:51] slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch_slamd64-2 [23:51] hmm, thanks! [23:51] Your welcome [23:54] reboot [23:54] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:59] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] http://www.speedtest.net/result/519120245.png <------- muhahahaha [00:00] --- Fri Jul 17 2009